| 00:00:15 | | Join lokki [0] (n=d5bd8e78@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:00:49 | lokki | listening to my flac collection on my iriver...awesome! |
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| 00:01:59 | preglow | i agree |
| 00:02:17 | lokki | you can hear the difference |
| 00:02:30 | lokki | mp3 <−−> flac |
| 00:02:34 | preglow | hell yes |
| 00:02:42 | preglow | without too much bother |
| 00:03:16 | lokki | i used mp3 for like two years... now i reencode everything |
| 00:03:35 | muesli__ | could one of you send me a flac-file? never heard one before |
| 00:03:52 | lokki | why not create one for yourself? |
| 00:04:00 | preglow | i've got too much music to encode losslessly |
| 00:04:08 | preglow | and when i do encode lossless, i tend to use wavpack |
| 00:04:14 | muesli__ | lokki just want one to test.. |
| 00:04:15 | lokki | why? |
| 00:04:22 | preglow | it's slightly better |
| 00:04:29 | preglow | imho |
| 00:04:32 | lokki | better? == smaller |
| 00:04:34 | preglow | yeah |
| 00:04:40 | preglow | and it has other nifty features i like |
| 00:04:40 | lokki | ok |
| 00:04:42 | preglow | like hybrid compression |
| 00:04:53 | lokki | that's nice indeed |
| 00:05:06 | preglow | and flac for rockbox used to be really slow |
| 00:05:07 | ashridah | anyone happen to know why i'm getting "address 0x100183a8 of /home/ashridah/rb/src/cvs/rockbox/firm/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf section .iram is not within region PLUGIN_IRAM" whenever i try to build rockbox these days? |
| 00:05:11 | preglow | which made me hate it a bit |
| 00:05:12 | preglow | hehe |
| 00:05:19 | preglow | ashridah: target? |
| 00:05:37 | lokki | hmm i use linux exclusively, flac seemed to be easyer to get... |
| 00:05:40 | preglow | ashridah: unmodified tree? |
| 00:06:21 | preglow | lokki: yeah, it probably is, i tried to compile wavpack under linux once. wasn't as easy as i'd hoped |
| 00:06:33 | preglow | but it most certainly is possible |
| 00:06:42 | lokki | should be imho |
| 00:06:52 | preglow | it is, it's just that the main author doesn't use linux |
| 00:06:56 | preglow | so he can't test it himself |
| 00:07:06 | lokki | ah ok.. |
| 00:07:12 | preglow | but yeah |
| 00:07:19 | preglow | wavpack support in rockbox used to be waaaay better than flac |
| 00:07:29 | preglow | but then linuxstb found a better decoder, and we optimised it |
| 00:07:33 | preglow | now it's the fastest codec we have |
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| 00:07:42 | lokki | well i'm happy with my flacs now...:-) |
| 00:07:48 | lokki | yes i saw that |
| 00:07:59 | lokki | but seeking is only partially implemented |
| 00:08:02 | preglow | he did some tests, and you can listen to flacs for around 12 hours if you don't skip too often |
| 00:08:11 | lokki | wow! |
| 00:08:49 | lokki | and seeking back to the previous track is also not possible, is this true for all codecs? |
| 00:09:17 | preglow | oh? |
| 00:09:19 | preglow | weird |
| 00:09:54 | lokki | i mean seeking from track 2 back until you get to track 1 |
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| 00:10:24 | preglow | yeah, i know |
| 00:10:25 | preglow | weird |
| 00:10:42 | lokki | so it's not a known bug? |
| 00:10:52 | preglow | i don't know, can't say i remember it |
| 00:10:58 | preglow | but it's been a while since i hacked on the flac codec too |
| 00:11:52 | lokki | it just stops at the beginning of the file, no matter how long you press left... |
| 00:12:01 | preglow | ahhh, like that |
| 00:12:01 | lokki | well ok, no big problem for me |
| 00:12:03 | preglow | that's a feature |
| 00:12:05 | preglow | not a bug |
| 00:12:15 | lokki | why? |
| 00:12:18 | preglow | rockbox has always worked like that |
| 00:12:20 | preglow | why, i don't know |
| 00:12:24 | preglow | ask the elders |
| 00:12:34 | lokki | ok i will |
| 00:12:40 | * | preglow points to amiconn |
| 00:12:52 | lokki | is he around? |
| 00:12:53 | preglow | probably no one has complained until now :> |
| 00:12:56 | preglow | don't know |
| 00:13:09 | preglow | but yeah, i'd like it if it continued seeking myself |
| 00:13:30 | lokki | hmm it should be a option... like always |
| 00:13:45 | preglow | hehe |
| 00:13:48 | preglow | no, i don't think it should |
| 00:14:13 | preglow | if someone implements seeking across tracks, i think that should be the only behaviour |
| 00:14:34 | lokki | ok... i agree |
| 00:14:58 | ashridah | preglow: H1xx, unmodified tree (cvs up doesn't find any conflicts) |
| 00:14:58 | markun | Man, flashing your player with the firmware of a different model.. and editing the firmware file with a text editor.. WHY! |
| 00:15:11 | ashridah | only thing i can think of is that i'm using gcc 4. |
| 00:15:18 | lokki | it could stop for 1 or 2 secs at the beginning of a track |
| 00:15:20 | ashridah | might compile 3.4.x up and try again |
| 00:15:47 | preglow | ashridah: that's it |
| 00:16:03 | preglow | ashridah: no doubt at all, gcc 4 probably makes bigger code, so the iram code doesn't fit anymore |
| 00:16:19 | preglow | ashridah: i really wouldn't recommend gcc4, everything i've seen points to it being worse for our target |
| 00:16:46 | lokki | seeking back across tracks is very cool if you like bass solos :-) |
| 00:17:17 | ashridah | hmm. 3.4.4 is still the latest isn't it? |
| 00:17:43 | preglow | no |
| 00:17:44 | preglow | 3.4.5 |
| 00:18:09 | ashridah | ah |
| 00:18:12 | * | ashridah leeches a patch |
| 00:18:34 | * | amiconn doesn't get the point of seeking across tracks |
| 00:18:58 | lokki | amiconn: it's very practical for musicians |
| 00:19:06 | amiconn | It's indeed a feature that seek stops at the track boundaries, and decelerates before |
| 00:19:32 | lokki | if you want to transcribe something for example |
| 00:19:33 | preglow | it decelerates? |
| 00:19:35 | amiconn | If I want to go forward/back through tracks, there is skip |
| 00:20:00 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, at least it does on archos. If it doesn't on iriver, it's a bug |
| 00:20:08 | preglow | i don't know |
| 00:20:10 | preglow | never tried |
| 00:20:28 | preglow | it does |
| 00:20:36 | lokki | yes it does |
| 00:20:39 | amiconn | lokki: Shouldn't A-B repeat be more helpful for that? |
| 00:20:46 | lokki | yes shure |
| 00:20:58 | lokki | is it going to be implemented? |
| 00:21:15 | amiconn | There is A-B repat in the archos playback engine, though not yet in the swcodec playback engine afaik |
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| 00:21:46 | lokki | would be great... |
| 00:22:12 | amiconn | On the archos platforms, A-B repeat is only enabled for the recorder models, because we couldn't find a way to enable it for player & Ondios - too few buttons... |
| 00:22:36 | lokki | on iriver the a/b button is allready very busy |
| 00:23:16 | amiconn | The archos recorders still are the targets with the largest number of buttons |
| 00:23:16 | lokki | but i guess there needs to be done more work then just button assignments on swcodec platforms |
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| 00:23:28 | amiconn | lokki: Yes. |
| 00:24:05 | amiconn | For archos player & Ondio it's just an UI problem. For iriver, the playback engine needs to be extended to support A-B |
| 00:24:06 | * | preglow hugs ubuntu |
| 00:24:28 | preglow | i wonder what we should use the record button for |
| 00:24:34 | preglow | it seems like such a waste to use it for recording |
| 00:24:59 | lokki | i think you should move the settings menu to the record button |
| 00:25:19 | lokki | i mean move a/b button to rec button |
| 00:26:40 | lokki | how would you have to extend it? start to fill the buffer when a/b is pressed and stop it when it's pressed again, then loop buffer content? |
| 00:27:35 | amiconn | I don't know the details, but afaik on archos A-B works by setting marks during playback |
| 00:27:41 | amiconn | I never tried it myself |
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| 00:28:37 | lokki | ah ok, would be better that way, no limits |
| 00:29:13 | lostlogic | in the multicodec arch, there are marks to indicate where to read and fill from in the circular buffer, right? A-B would be a matter of putting 2 more marks for between where to play, and the limit of A-B length would be the size of the codec buffer...? |
| 00:29:36 | preglow | myeah |
| 00:29:42 | preglow | around there, at least |
| 00:30:12 | preglow | we'll probably want to limit it a bit more, to avoid special treatment of watermarks when using a-b repeat |
| 00:30:25 | lokki | watermarks? |
| 00:30:34 | preglow | the marks that decide where to start buffering |
| 00:31:02 | lokki | ah ok... |
| 00:31:46 | lostlogic | is anyone working on coding this? |
| 00:31:59 | lokki | i don't think so |
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| 00:32:09 | lostlogic | sounds like I have a project for the weekend then :) |
| 00:32:16 | lokki | nice! |
| 00:32:40 | preglow | but yeahyeah |
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| 00:32:48 | preglow | i've gotta call it a night before it happen involuntarily |
| 00:32:56 | preglow | see you later |
| 00:33:01 | lokki | bye |
| 00:33:19 | lostlogic | ugh −− the A-B button in WPS already has a function −− and this needs to be a short press. |
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| 00:33:35 | lokki | you can use the record button for now |
| 00:33:39 | lostlogic | was my think. |
| 00:34:11 | lokki | but imho the a/b an rec buttons should be changed in the future |
| 00:34:21 | lostlogic | right |
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| 00:41:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: Again I'm not sure, but iirc A-B on archos is limited to one track, but _not_ by buffer size |
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| 00:42:01 | amiconn | It's in fact a special case of 'repeat track' |
| 00:42:26 | lostlogic | amiconn: don't think there's a reason to be so limitted here −− the iRiver firmware supports AB across track boundaries, I think |
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| 00:42:55 | lokki | haven't used the iriver firmware for years |
| 00:43:07 | lokki | can't remember |
| 00:43:44 | crazymonkey | hey there, just wondering what stuff you guys think will be added to the iriver h100 project, or is the port virtually completed? |
| 00:43:50 | lostlogic | I'll look at the code this weekend and come up with a design for A-B, probably tonight. Speaking of tonight, it's time to go home from work and start working on rockbox instead. ;) |
| 00:44:09 | lokki | yes! |
| 00:44:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: I can't think of an application for A-B across tracks, but as long as implementing it this way isn't significantly more complex than for just one track, why not |
| 00:44:15 | lokki | what time do you have? |
| 00:44:46 | crazymonkey | try making the record button do somehting on FM radio!;) and as if that hint want enough, will we be able to record radio? |
| 00:44:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: the only complication added by track boundaries is the codec load on the reverse portion of the loop, imo |
| 00:45:05 | amiconn | Btw, one-track A-B on archos is usually less limiting than the buffer size would be |
| 00:45:23 | crazymonkey | it would be great to use A - B to que songs |
| 00:45:31 | crazymonkey | queue* |
| 00:45:36 | lokki | crazymonkey: you are able to record radio |
| 00:45:43 | amiconn | ?? |
| 00:46:04 | crazymonkey | so when your browsing the file tree, tap A - B and the song is added to the last song in the playlist |
| 00:46:05 | amiconn | lostlogic: Hmm, that could be a severe problem |
| 00:46:45 | crazymonkey | you can record radio now? lol better update my builds (havnt done so for a while, thought not much had happened) |
| 00:47:42 | lokki | it was there for a long time, just go to the fm screen, start radio and then go to recording screen and select line-in... there you are |
| 00:47:48 | amiconn | crazymonkey: Context menu->Playlist->Insert last |
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| 00:48:31 | crazymonkey | but that requires an HD spinup, is there anyway to aviod that? its just REALLY slow, just like when you arte trying to make a playlist. |
| 00:48:39 | amiconn | lokki: There's still something missing. On archos you can record from within th FM screen. No need to select input or adjust level. |
| 00:48:59 | crazymonkey | I once spent an hour adding songs only to find that i was doing it too fast, and so i had a plyalist of 3 songs lol |
| 00:49:24 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah −− the start mark for a-b would have to also remember the beginning of the track that it belongs to to get the codec info or some such |
| 00:49:30 | lostlogic | similar to a bookmark |
| 00:49:42 | crazymonkey | yes, you should be able to be on the FM screen, then "oh, i really like the song thats coming up!" and "click" the record button to instantly record |
| 00:49:58 | lokki | hmm i like to adjust the level |
| 00:50:06 | crazymonkey | plus youd have to agree that changing to the recording screen is hardly a good user interface is it? |
| 00:50:23 | amiconn | crazymonkey: Adding a song to the playlist requires a spinup to read the metadata. This has nothing to do with the way to invoke the function |
| 00:50:49 | crazymonkey | would it be possible to include metadat in the dir cache? |
| 00:50:54 | lokki | it's not completed as amiconn said |
| 00:50:59 | crazymonkey | metadata* |
| 00:51:01 | lokki | but at least it works |
| 00:51:21 | lokki | in the iriver firmware it was removed |
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| 00:52:04 | crazymonkey | it would be loaded into ram, and so adding songs to playlists wouldnt require an HD spinup, am i correct? or would this use up too much of the 32MB cache? |
| 00:52:22 | amiconn | lostlogic: A tricky constellation would be if the start mark would be so far into the track containing it that the data size between track start and A marker is larger than the buffer, and the next track needs a different codec |
| 00:52:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: how would a bookmark at that location work? |
| 00:52:49 | lokki | amiconn :-) |
| 00:53:02 | lostlogic | Does a bookmark save the codec info? |
| 00:53:15 | Mmmm | crazymonkey: have you given Rubbergloves patch a go? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1274907 |
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| 00:53:52 | saratoga | I've been wondering about the Ipod's CPU |
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| 00:54:10 | saratoga | as I understand it has no D-cache and 96k of on board IRAM? |
| 00:54:13 | saratoga | is this right? |
| 00:54:16 | amiconn | lostlogic: I don't know how this is handled in the swcodec playback engine. |
| 00:54:33 | lostlogic | amiconn: another thing I'll have to lookup |
| 00:54:43 | lostlogic | anywho, I'm off for 30-40m. |
| 00:55:07 | amiconn | In fact, while I would want a unified playback engine, I'm afraid to actually do it |
| 00:56:07 | crazymonkey | i mean directory cache, where on boot rockbox reads the file tree and saves a file, so on subsequent staretups it loads the directory cache and the disk does not spinup on entering every directory. I was simply extending this to databasing the metadata to allow instantaneous adding of songs to playlists without the HD spinning up (and resulting battery loss and time wasting) |
| 00:56:21 | amiconn | The hwcodec playback engine is complex. The swcodec playback engine looks like the invention of complexity. |
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| 00:57:02 | crazymonkey | thanks for the point towards the patch Mmmm, i would give it a go if i knew how to stick the patch in as it were :~ |
| 00:57:04 | amiconn | I don't want to touch it if I don't have to |
| 00:57:50 | crazymonkey | is it a copy and paste jobby? |
| 00:57:57 | lokki | amiconn: did you write the mandelbrot plugin? |
| 00:58:22 | amiconn | No, but I heavily extended and modified it |
| 00:58:31 | lokki | i really like it |
| 00:58:44 | crazymonkey | ah well your obviosuly not interested in a noob users opinions, but seriously, the metadata thing would be great for playlists. |
| 00:58:55 | Mmmm | crazymonkey: Here's another point then... :) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 00:59:05 | crazymonkey | and im sure others would agree? |
| 00:59:20 | linuxstb | saratoga: The ipod has two CPU cores, each with an 8KB unified cache. The older ipods have 96KB of IRAM, the Nano and Video have 128KB. |
| 00:59:29 | lokki | hmm, would it be complex to add a julia set? |
| 00:59:40 | amiconn | crazymonkey: Slasheri is working on tagcache, which does cache metadata, and will eventually replace the current tag database |
| 00:59:40 | crazymonkey | thanks Mmmm, ill give it a whirl. |
| 00:59:54 | * | amiconn doesn't use dircache |
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| 01:00:15 | lokki | or even choose a user defined formula at startup... |
| 01:01:58 | crazymonkey | hehe well ive gone way beyond politness so what the hell, when is rockbox video coming to the H100S! |
| 01:02:32 | crazymonkey | and will there be a taser attachment trough the line out? |
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| 01:04:09 | muesli__ | where do i get latest flac version? |
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| 01:04:19 | lokki | flac.sf.net |
| 01:04:25 | muesli__ | cheers |
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| 01:08:22 | muesli__ | -5 -T "Artist=%a" -T "Title=%t" -T "Album=%g" -T "Date=%y" -T "Tracknumber=%n" -T "Genre=%m" %s -o %d |
| 01:08:28 | muesli__ | is that ok for settings? |
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| 01:08:38 | lokki | amiconn: where in the code of mandelbrot.c is the actual mandelbrot formula? |
| 01:08:53 | linuxstb | I always use -8 with flac |
| 01:09:34 | lokki | linuxstb: thanks for optimizing the flac codec!!! |
| 01:10:22 | linuxstb | You're welcome :) preglow worked on it as well. |
| 01:10:47 | linuxstb | It's still lacking full seeking though. |
| 01:11:21 | lokki | he said it was you... i'm listening to flacs exclusively now on my h-120 |
| 01:11:45 | lokki | yeah, but with seekpoints it's no big deal for me |
| 01:12:21 | Mmmm | muesli:God knows...Mine look like this and work nicely: -8 -o %2 -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%b" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%tn" -T "genre=%g" - |
| 01:12:52 | muesli__ | i am using eac btw |
| 01:13:48 | Mmmm | When I put the settings in I knew what they did... but that was ages ago! :D |
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| 01:17:19 | markun | about the new gigabeat on dapreview: "All right from what I read from previous players using Windows PMC software is that you can drag and drop content to the player. So right now I want this player badly!!!!" |
| 01:17:55 | amiconn | ? |
| 01:18:02 | lokki | markun:? |
| 01:18:28 | markun | I thought there were many other players with drag and drop support. |
| 01:18:35 | markun | rockbox players for example |
| 01:19:49 | lokki | yeah that's way i didn't understand your phrase... pretty much every player supports drag and drop so it's nothing special |
| 01:20:49 | markun | Maybe if you only know the ipod drag and drop sounds like a revolution :) |
| 01:22:36 | lokki | :-) but even ipods would have drag and drop support with rockbox |
| 01:28:09 | muesli__ | n8 m8s |
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| 01:32:20 | lokki | good night all!! |
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| 01:48:34 | mirak | markun: only thing missing is a media player that support syncing with UMS players |
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| 01:53:46 | markun | might be useful for some people |
| 01:53:52 | markun | How's libmpeg2? |
| 01:55:52 | lostlogic | hwcodec AB repeat is very strictly one-song-only, as it was designed for devices where not more than a song would generally be in buffer. frustrating. |
| 01:59:26 | mirak | markun: I am statifying it |
| 01:59:31 | mirak | I am still on pc |
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| 02:01:22 | mirak | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6710 |
| 02:01:29 | mirak | I have an error at line 10 |
| 02:01:45 | mirak | rb_api.h:10: error: parse error before "size" |
| 02:01:50 | markun | I'm now also thinking mpeg2 might be better than divx. Only the increase in fps will again increase the bitrate |
| 02:02:13 | mirak | is that normal I should include the types for the protoype ? |
| 02:02:24 | mirak | markun: not that much |
| 02:02:43 | mirak | I encoded a mpeg2 stream in 220*176 it's really ok |
| 02:02:52 | mirak | at 300 kbit |
| 02:02:54 | markun | Which fps? |
| 02:02:58 | mirak | 25 |
| 02:03:31 | mirak | I realise that the xvid used by iriver firmware are 10fps and 300kbit |
| 02:03:38 | markun | :) |
| 02:03:41 | mirak | I tried down to 50 |
| 02:03:47 | mirak | it's still watchable I think |
| 02:03:51 | mirak | I tried very low bitrates |
| 02:04:08 | markun | do they decode faster? |
| 02:04:13 | mirak | I did not tried with the plugin |
| 02:04:44 | markun | Can you try? |
| 02:04:49 | mirak | no |
| 02:04:50 | mirak | lol |
| 02:05:09 | mirak | mmm |
| 02:05:14 | mirak | not tonight at least |
| 02:05:26 | mirak | I don't want to waste more time on xvid |
| 02:05:33 | mirak | at least until I have done mpeg2 |
| 02:05:33 | markun | ok :) |
| 02:05:52 | mirak | so probably not tomorrow as well |
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| 02:09:24 | markun | mirak: any idea how we should deal with sound? |
| 02:09:39 | mirak | uncompressed wav ? |
| 02:09:40 | mirak | :) |
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| 02:12:20 | linuxstb | Sound will be a problem - you will have both the audio and video codecs fighting for IRAM. Without IRAM, the audio codecs won't work in realtime. |
| 02:12:54 | mirak | that's why I talk about uncompressed wav |
| 02:13:00 | mirak | the battery will die |
| 02:13:40 | mirak | I am not sure how long it's possible to record with wav |
| 02:14:00 | mirak | it could be a good indicator about battery esperance of life |
| 02:14:39 | mirak | I know that when I plug the usb cable and forgot to plug the battery and let it like that, the battery goes to zero in about an hour |
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| 02:18:06 | markun | Does it take a lot of time to copy the code in and out of IRAM? |
| 02:20:51 | mirak | it's probably worth if the code is called a lot of time, but as said preglow there is a cpu cache for often called code |
| 02:21:05 | mirak | from what I have tested I gained a bit by putting some code into iram |
| 02:21:22 | mirak | I gained by putting structures |
| 02:21:34 | mirak | but what I gained was not much I found |
| 02:22:56 | markun | My mistake.. does it take long to swap DATA in and out of IRAM? (to switch between video and audio decoding) |
| 02:23:57 | mirak | oh |
| 02:24:21 | mirak | I think it could work |
| 02:24:31 | mirak | in fact it could be a kernel feature don't you think ? |
| 02:25:17 | mirak | markun: it would be interesting if we decode 1 second of frames, then 1 second of mp3 etcetera |
| 02:25:27 | markun | yes |
| 02:25:34 | mirak | 1 second of frame might be huge in memort though |
| 02:25:42 | mirak | -t+y |
| 02:26:24 | markun | We will worry about audio later :) |
| 02:27:57 | markun | 1.8MB for 25 frames |
| 02:29:02 | linuxstb | mirak: Have you thought about MPEG-1 video at all? |
| 02:29:13 | markun | Maybe if we can do a LCD update from a different location then the normal LCD buffer.. |
| 02:30:04 | linuxstb | markun: That's what the lcd_blit function does. It's not implemented for the color lcds yet, but should be trivial, and would seem a good idea for video. |
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| 02:31:03 | mirak | linuxstb: I think libmpeg2 can decode it, I am not sure though |
| 02:31:35 | linuxstb | Could be interesting to test if mpeg1 decodes faster than mpeg2 for a similar size/quality file. |
| 02:32:19 | markun | "ibmpeg2 is a free library for decoding mpeg-2 and mpeg-1 video streams." |
| 02:34:22 | lostlogic | woah, woah! if I'm playing a song from buffer, and the passed buffer is still in RAM, and I hit skip back to go to the beinning of the song, it dumps the entire codec buffer!?!??! |
| 02:34:26 | * | lostlogic shoots self |
| 02:35:10 | mirak | ? |
| 02:36:29 | markun | lostlogic: fix it :) |
| 02:36:33 | lostlogic | seeking back to the beginning of the song does not cause a disk read though |
| 02:36:46 | * | lostlogic mutters instead of shooting himself and goes to see if that can be fixed |
| 02:38:36 | markun | which is our most efficient lossy decoder? ac3? |
| 02:40:57 | linuxstb | I don't know how fast libmad has become, but I would guess ac3 is still the best. I've never tried lossy wavpack though. |
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| 02:45:35 | webguest51 | Hello, I am new here |
| 02:45:57 | BHSPitMonkey | hi. |
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| 02:46:13 | webguest51 | I have a few questions, Hi monkey |
| 02:46:52 | webguest51 | I came here from the mistic rivier site |
| 02:47:08 | markun | wow, ac3 is really very efficient |
| 02:47:29 | DreamTactix291 | i don't think it is |
| 02:47:31 | DreamTactix291 | err |
| 02:47:33 | DreamTactix291 | you mean decoding |
| 02:47:36 | DreamTactix291 | well yeah |
| 02:47:41 | DreamTactix291 | it's less complex than mp3 reallly |
| 02:47:56 | webguest51 | basically I was wondering what negative things could people do if they wanted to, through altering the rockbox code or making plugins |
| 02:48:33 | webguest51 | I ask cause I am paranoid and would rather know and install than not know |
| 02:48:44 | mirak | kill your dog |
| 02:48:56 | mirak | remotely |
| 02:49:15 | webguest51 | For example could your player send information over the web when connected to a internet enabled computer |
| 02:49:20 | webguest51 | that kind of thing |
| 02:49:50 | mirak | *(((void **)align_buf) - 1) = buf; |
| 02:50:02 | mirak | this line is doing a segfault |
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| 03:04:20 | * | lostlogic gives up on cross-track A-B mode for now (wouldn't fit into the current arch easily) |
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| 03:12:15 | lostlogic | has anyone actually _tried_ just enabling the existing AB repeat code on swcodec machines? it doesn't look unworkable at all. |
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| 03:25:50 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Probably not. Go ahead and see what happens. |
| 03:26:10 | lostlogic | am working on it −− the audio_event_handler stuff appears to be the missing link. |
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| 03:38:17 | saratoga | is there documentation for the AC3 format somewhere? |
| 03:38:24 | saratoga | if its simplier then MP3 that could be fun to look at |
| 03:43:23 | saratoga | nevermind, atsc has a great spec sheet on google |
| 03:43:30 | DreamTactix291 | from what they've said at hydrogenaudio.org |
| 03:43:38 | DreamTactix291 | AC3 is about as complex to decode as MP2 |
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| 03:43:44 | stevenm | Hello guys. |
| 03:43:51 | DreamTactix291 | now more than that i can't say |
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| 03:45:05 | stevenm | About, how many 8bit microprocessors chained together, with 368 registers and 1 working register, 8KB of ROM each, and no multiply instruction, and say 30MB of RAM, would it take to get MP3 playback? |
| 03:45:53 | DreamTactix291 | i have no idea |
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| 03:47:15 | saratoga | stevenm: what are you asking? |
| 03:49:11 | stevenm | saratoga, i just want a ballpark estimate |
| 03:49:29 | stevenm | its a very stupid chip |
| 03:49:32 | saratoga | what microcontrollers? how would you chain them together, etc |
| 03:49:55 | stevenm | saratoga, PIC 16F877. Chained together... I dont know, using a BUS of some sort. |
| 03:50:09 | stevenm | possibly splitting the decoding task over several chips.. each does a certain part |
| 03:50:26 | stevenm | I am just wondering, how many of them it would take to get realtime MP3 decoding |
| 03:50:36 | lostlogic | hmmmmmmmmmmm setting of marks seems to work, but it doesn't catch as it hits the B mark on the way forward |
| 03:51:30 | stevenm | it doesnt look like i'll be getting that H340 unfortunately. someone's going to have to optimize MIDI in ASM instead of me.. when the time comes for that and people can do it |
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| 03:52:05 | stevenm | but I need an MP3 player. and all the ones on the market are either too expensive or very very ugly. so i figure, make a PIC cluster to play music |
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| 03:53:32 | saratoga | thinking about it I have no real idea |
| 03:53:41 | saratoga | i guess you could split the MDCT a few ways |
| 03:53:53 | saratoga | each one do a part |
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| 03:55:01 | saratoga | i don't know how well that would work |
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| 03:59:03 | lostlogic | anyone know how ab repeat mode works on archos? Is it a mode you have to have enabled to use it? |
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| 04:03:02 | lostlogic | nvm, it is... bah, makes turning it into a single button function rougher. |
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| 04:27:04 | Jungti1234 | i'm in iriverzone |
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| 05:41:53 | webguest20 | hi |
| 05:42:05 | webguest20 | I've been reading about the news of the iAudio X5 development |
| 05:42:31 | webguest20 | who is working on that right now? is it linus too? |
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| 06:09:52 | lostlogic | gorp −− the ab markers show up in wrong places. |
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| 06:51:58 | lostlogic | was drawing them for remote and main screen it looks like. |
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| 07:16:31 | lostlogic | ab repeat on swcodec patch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399036&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
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| 08:35:51 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 10:12:35 | markun | morning amiconn |
| 10:12:56 | amiconn | morning |
| 10:13:06 | markun | what are you working on these days? |
| 10:13:38 | amiconn | Not much :/ |
| 10:13:55 | amiconn | I am still half through the .lang cleanup |
| 10:14:52 | * | amiconn isn't very motivated these days |
| 10:15:29 | markun | I'm not very motivated to study, and rockbox is such a nice distraction.. |
| 10:17:16 | markun | I can imagine that cleaning up the lang files is not the most fun thing to do, nice that you are doing it anyway |
| 10:32:00 | amiconn | I am annoyed by the route rockbox development currently takes |
| 10:32:12 | amiconn | Of course every dev is free to work on what he wants, |
| 10:33:32 | amiconn | but if development continues this way, in some months we will have a bloated rockbox with a ton of features that feels very different on the different targets, |
| 10:34:08 | amiconn | and since most of the features will be unfinished, we still won't have a release version for non-archos |
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| 10:36:47 | markun | Then we should maybe have a feature freeze some day and only work on the things that need to be finished. |
| 10:37:02 | markun | until the release of course |
| 10:42:33 | amiconn | Multi-screen support: unfinished (recording screen, bookmark selector, ...). Voice UI on iriver: unfinished (Glitches, not working in pause mode, no clip pre-emption). Recording: unfinished (prerecording, different sample frequencies, S/PDIF input) |
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| 10:43:16 | amiconn | Multi-codec arch: unfinished (AAC needs optimisation) |
| 10:44:40 | amiconn | Unicode support: unfinished (text viewer) |
| 10:45:58 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 10:46:12 | amiconn | hi |
| 10:46:27 | Jungti1234 | Text viewer is problem of font buffer. |
| 10:46:33 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 10:46:41 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox problem. |
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| 10:49:48 | markun | Jungti1234: also the viewer needs to fixed |
| 10:50:44 | amiconn | The viewer should support other encodings in addition to utf-8 |
| 10:51:09 | markun | amiconn: phaedrus was working on it before he didn't have time for rockbox anymore. |
| 10:51:23 | markun | I have his viewer here, but it lacks a menu to select the encoding |
| 10:51:32 | amiconn | Oh, and what would be really helpful is to add a settings menu to the viewer that replaces the ton of hard-to-remember button combos |
| 10:51:48 | markun | yes, we should add a menu anyway |
| 10:51:57 | amiconn | (a thing that is on my todo list for a looong time) |
| 10:52:29 | amiconn | On th eplayer, some viewer button combos involve 3 buttons (!) |
| 10:55:18 | markun | I've added a menu for the encodings, will add the other functions as well |
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| 11:14:22 | Jungti1234 | And it must support unicode input. |
| 11:14:59 | Jungti1234 | OGG Q10 is uneasy yet. |
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| 11:15:33 | Jungti1234 | When do various work.(In H300) |
| 11:17:02 | Jungti1234 | -> When at the same time do many works. |
| 11:18:22 | _FireFly_ | Jungti1234: remember the h300 is mainly a dap(with video-playback) and not an pda oder a PC |
| 11:18:50 | Jungti1234 | I know. |
| 11:19:27 | Jungti1234 | Is that I want it wrong thing? |
| 11:23:53 | mozetti | i think you'll be disapointed, if that's what you want |
| 11:24:28 | mozetti | the main reason PDAs are useable is the touch screen - if you have to just a joystick/button press for everything, then it's not as convenient to use |
| 11:24:47 | mozetti | *have to use a joystick/button |
| 11:26:47 | Paprica | morning |
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| 11:27:37 | VagueRant | Hey all, how's it going? |
| 11:28:43 | mozetti | howdy |
| 11:29:06 | VagueRant | I was just curious as to whether anyone's looked into streamed audio formats in Rockbox. Being streamed, they take very low processing power. |
| 11:29:53 | VagueRant | That said, the only players I know are plugins for Winamp and foobar2000. |
| 11:30:08 | VagueRant | So I don't know how useful their source would be. |
| 11:30:25 | mozetti | how would you receive the stream? |
| 11:31:16 | VagueRant | Just from file. |
| 11:31:29 | VagueRant | They're rather large, of course. |
| 11:31:33 | _FireFly_ | if you would stream from the hd then the reduced cpu-usage might be negligible to the power consumption of the hd spinning |
| 11:31:44 | VagueRant | Good point. |
| 11:31:53 | mozetti | i'd imagine it might even take more power |
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| 11:34:42 | _FireFly_ | and the player is then less shock resistend then buffering as much of the file as possible in ram |
| 11:35:58 | VagueRant | Hmm. How about on the Nano? |
| 11:36:09 | VagueRant | I realize I'm getting way ahead of myself, but it's plausible, right? |
| 11:36:18 | * | amiconn wonders what VagueRant means with 'streamed audio formats' |
| 11:36:32 | amiconn | Most linear formats can be streamed |
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| 11:37:14 | amiconn | This has nothing to do with CPU usage. Compressed audio needs to be uncompressed for playback, irrespectively of the source |
| 11:37:36 | _FireFly_ | only the disk have to spin longer |
| 11:37:45 | _FireFly_ | when streaming the file content |
| 11:38:02 | VagueRant | Well I mean uncompressed audio. |
| 11:38:23 | VagueRant | As is used in video games specifically for its low CPU usage. |
| 11:39:28 | amiconn | WAV is uncompressed audio |
| 11:39:40 | amiconn | Rockbox plays wav |
| 11:39:46 | VagueRant | Indeed it does. |
| 11:39:53 | VagueRant | What's the battery life like for WAVs? |
| 11:40:35 | amiconn | I dunno. Nobody measured it yet afaik |
| 11:41:22 | amiconn | I'd expect less runtime with wav than with flac |
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| 11:47:18 | mozetti | amiconn - but, b/c wav is a larger file, the buffer fills up faster, and the hdd has to spin more to re-fill the buffer |
| 11:49:04 | _FireFly_ | b/c ? |
| 11:49:45 | VagueRant | Because. |
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| 11:55:36 | Jungti1234 | H300 seems to be other bug. |
| 11:56:47 | Jungti1234 | I was playing a game as I'm interesting by plugin. |
| 11:57:12 | Jungti1234 | By the way, returned to menu suddenly. |
| 11:57:29 | Jungti1234 | Game ended automatically. |
| 11:57:54 | Jungti1234 | I experience often such event. |
| 11:58:37 | mozetti | Jungti1234−−was it tetrox? cuz i always accidentally hit the 'Stop' button and end my game :( |
| 11:58:42 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 11:58:49 | Jungti1234 | In all games. |
| 11:59:39 | Jungti1234 | I didn't press 'Stop' button absolutely. |
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| 12:10:50 | VagueRant | Is this regular games or under RockBoy? |
| 12:27:36 | Mongey | plugins.. i think |
| 12:27:57 | Mongey | can someone help ...... http://www.diabolikal.org/main/forum_viewtopic.php?12.309 |
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| 12:50:08 | lokki | just tried lostlogics ab_repeat patch on swcodec platforms, it works very well |
| 12:50:55 | lokki | except for flac files...because of the poor seeking support |
| 12:51:31 | lokki | the start-point hops always hops to the nearest seekpoint, seems logical |
| 12:51:48 | lokki | hups one hops too much |
| 12:53:16 | FeCu | hello everybody |
| 12:53:43 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 12:53:52 | FeCu | i have a problem booting rockbox, i installed the bootloader and the rockbox files but it doens't load rockbox |
| 12:54:19 | FeCu | it only shows Rockbox boot loader version 3 Batt : 4.00V |
| 12:54:29 | FeCu | it's an iriver h340 US |
| 12:54:41 | FeCu | on 1.29K |
| 12:54:48 | Jungti1234 | K? -_-; |
| 12:54:57 | Mongey | u patched the firmware? |
| 12:55:01 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 12:55:02 | FeCu | yes |
| 12:55:06 | Jungti1234 | kk |
| 12:55:15 | Mongey | and upgraded it |
| 12:55:22 | FeCu | yes |
| 12:55:33 | FeCu | otherwise it wouldn't show the bootloader i think |
| 12:55:34 | Mongey | ur sure that all the files are there |
| 12:55:40 | Jungti1234 | I will come again |
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| 12:56:10 | FeCu | .rockbox folder and a rockbox.iriver file |
| 12:56:31 | Mongey | http://needleboy.net/files/RockBoxH300Optimized.zip |
| 12:56:33 | FeCu | i already tried several releases but doenset work |
| 12:56:40 | Mongey | try that again |
| 12:57:45 | FeCu | ok thanks will try it immediately |
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| 12:59:25 | mirak | Mongey: what's that ? |
| 12:59:39 | Mongey | its a optimised Rb version |
| 12:59:47 | Mongey | MR style |
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| 13:00:03 | Mongey | with the colour changer and remote support |
| 13:00:10 | Mongey | plugins |
| 13:00:12 | Mongey | ect |
| 13:00:28 | FeCu | The optimized version doesn't work also |
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| 13:01:02 | Mongey | dowload a fresh version of the iriver f/w and repatch it |
| 13:01:13 | FeCu | ok |
| 13:03:36 | Mongey | igtg |
| 13:03:44 | FeCu | suggestions of which firmware ? |
| 13:03:53 | Mongey | 1.29 |
| 13:03:56 | FeCu | K, J or EU 1.28 or 1.29 |
| 13:04:02 | Mongey | k |
| 13:04:04 | Mongey | 1.29 |
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| 13:09:00 | FeCu | still no working rockbox |
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| 13:16:10 | aliask | FeCu: Can you boot the original firmware? |
| 13:16:50 | FeCu | yes |
| 13:17:05 | FeCu | record and play works |
| 13:17:21 | aliask | Try renaming the folder .rockbox to something else and try again. |
| 13:20:46 | FeCu | still the same story |
| 13:22:53 | aliask | Sounds like the rockbox bootloader isn't finding the files then. Do you have a rockbox.iriver file in your root directory? |
| 13:23:40 | FeCu | yes |
| 13:24:36 | aliask | Well I'm out of ideas, unless you are using some strange encoding to write the filenames. |
| 13:24:44 | _FireFly_ | FeCu: do you have maybe an extended partition on th device |
| 13:25:03 | FeCu | don't think so |
| 13:25:34 | FeCu | yes |
| 13:26:03 | FeCu | i'll make it a primary |
| 13:26:30 | FeCu | first backup |
| 13:31:45 | _FireFly_ | ok because the rb-bootloader doesn't support extended/logical-partitions |
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| 14:16:00 | b0br | lostlogic: hi, is it you, who's working on A-B repeat function? |
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| 14:22:05 | FeCu | my problem is solved now, changed extended logical to primary partition and it works now, thanks for helping me |
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| 14:30:19 | petur | I'm a bit worried about the discussion last night about adding A-B repeat behind the A-B button on H3xx |
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| 14:30:54 | petur | IMHO, this is a function used sooo seldom that it doesn't merrit getting its own button |
| 14:31:19 | petur | who invented that useless function anyway? |
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| 14:32:26 | lokki | petur: this won't make into cvs just like this |
| 14:32:36 | petur | ashridah: around? |
| 14:32:47 | lokki | but there is a patch for people who like it |
| 14:32:48 | ashridah | maybe |
| 14:32:58 | petur | lokki: I know, that's why I said this |
| 14:33:15 | lokki | so what are you worrying about? |
| 14:33:25 | petur | ashridah: I had the same compile problem, it's gcc 4.x that causes it. |
| 14:33:33 | ashridah | yeah |
| 14:33:35 | petur | 3.4.5 works perfectly |
| 14:33:38 | ashridah | i sorted it with gcc-3.4.5 |
| 14:34:26 | lokki | for me it's a feature that i use very often... depends on the user |
| 14:34:46 | petur | may I ask what you use it for? |
| 14:35:11 | lokki | for transcribing... |
| 14:35:23 | * | saa[b_r]ider thinks A-B could be amusing to beer drinkers |
| 14:35:46 | petur | ok, for dictaphone use it could be usefull |
| 14:35:52 | lokki | that too |
| 14:36:11 | petur | maybe we should define operating modes that each can have a key mapping |
| 14:36:30 | petur | like: recording, dictaphone, ... |
| 14:36:59 | lokki | maybe we should even let the user choose all keys freely? depending on a config file :-) |
| 14:37:11 | petur | that would be a support nightmare |
| 14:37:17 | lokki | yes indeed |
| 14:37:47 | * | petur is dreaming too much of future things i.s.o. implementing what he's busy with ;) |
| 14:37:53 | lokki | i personally don't mind if i have no one button recording screen popup feature |
| 14:38:20 | petur | it's a pitty the rec button isn't used at all atm |
| 14:38:29 | lokki | that's why i think the menu should be there |
| 14:38:44 | mirak | petur: maybe a gui would be simple |
| 14:38:46 | mirak | simpler |
| 14:39:00 | mirak | I mean in theory we could live with just a button plus the directions |
| 14:39:33 | petur | I'm not sure GUI's make it simpler |
| 14:39:51 | mirak | oh my god there is dust on my keyboard ! |
| 14:39:54 | petur | I can give a big list of SW with nice GUI that isn't usable at all |
| 14:40:05 | lokki | maybe we could implement a new "wps" by making a plugin that handles playback |
| 14:40:30 | mirak | petur: like what ? |
| 14:40:34 | lokki | so instead of wps, the plugin is loaded |
| 14:40:55 | mirak | It's easier to know where to click on the screen instead of memorising what a key do on a particular screen |
| 14:41:20 | lokki | i think the plugins would allow album art and display of song info for example |
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| 14:41:35 | lokki | and the wps wouldn't need to be touched |
| 14:41:36 | Jungti1234 | ³»°¡ ¿Ô´Ù ¾êµé¾Æ!! |
| 14:41:54 | saa[b_r]ider | could make it a whole lot easier |
| 14:42:49 | saa[b_r]ider | but could it be set to run as default instead of the WPS (if wanted of course) |
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| 14:46:11 | lokki | i don't know, but these are only plans for the future, so nothing to worry about now |
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| 14:46:43 | lokki | where are the button assignments defined? |
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| 14:53:27 | lokki | nevermind found it |
| 14:56:39 | b0br | but i use A-B function really often - its absence on rockbox pushes me to boot to original firmware :( |
| 14:57:03 | lokki | you can apply a patch now and it works really great! |
| 14:57:20 | b0br | but maybe it's not good idea to map it on A-B button.. |
| 14:58:06 | b0br | petur: thank for the development of recording, i have one more suggestion: |
| 14:58:33 | petur | yes? |
| 14:58:34 | lokki | it's mapped to the record button currently |
| 14:59:43 | b0br | prerecording is great feature but it could be good to have one button to start recording with it and one without - i think play button is not mapped in recording screen.. |
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| 15:00:28 | petur | you mean a way to start recording without looking at the prerecording setting? |
| 15:00:50 | b0br | lokki: i use record button to turn on my display.. |
| 15:01:42 | lokki | b0br: h3x0 ? |
| 15:02:20 | petur | H1xx or H3xx I think |
| 15:02:21 | b0br | no, i mean if you set prerecording to 30s, record button strarts recording with 30s prerecording and play button starts recording without prerecording |
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| 15:02:44 | petur | heh, that's what I wrote ;) |
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| 15:03:02 | Slasheri | Hmm, maybe play+rec but not single play button only.. |
| 15:03:27 | b0br | h340 :) rockbox and its recording capabalities was reason why i purchased it 2 weeks ago |
| 15:03:35 | lostlogic | b0br: yes |
| 15:03:54 | lokki | one button only to turn backlight on, waste? |
| 15:04:09 | b0br | slasheri: hmm sounds good |
| 15:04:12 | petur | flip the hold switch instead... |
| 15:04:40 | lostlogic | has anyone tried the AB repeat patch I posted to patch tracker yet? |
| 15:04:47 | lokki | yes i did |
| 15:04:52 | lokki | thanks a lot |
| 15:04:55 | lokki | it's great |
| 15:05:02 | lokki | except for flac files |
| 15:05:10 | lostlogic | what happens on flac? |
| 15:05:12 | lokki | but thats a limitation in the codec |
| 15:05:13 | b0br | petur, lokki: you're right hold would be probably better.. |
| 15:05:19 | lostlogic | not seekable? |
| 15:05:24 | lokki | poor seek support |
| 15:05:30 | lokki | only with seekpoints |
| 15:05:36 | lostlogic | ah, nod |
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| 15:06:19 | lokki | the first mark (a) just goes to the nearest seekpoint, but the second mark (b) is on the right place |
| 15:06:40 | lostlogic | that makes sense, unfortunate. |
| 15:06:43 | lokki | so i guess you calculate the second with the first one? |
| 15:07:29 | lostlogic | they are both just millisecond elapsed markers from the beginning of the file, so the AB code tells the codec to seek to that elapsed point |
| 15:08:02 | lokki | ah, and stopping works always... unlike seeking |
| 15:09:10 | lostlogic | lokki: right, it can tell that it's reached the B mark, and just pauses the playback, asks to seek back to A and resumes, and the codec apparently treats any seek request as a request for the nearest seek point |
| 15:09:39 | lokki | lostlogic: so your next project is real seek support with flac files :-) |
| 15:10:15 | lostlogic | never used flac, so that's not likely ;) |
| 15:10:29 | lokki | just kidding |
| 15:11:30 | Xerion_ | is there any way to log played songs yet? |
| 15:11:33 | lostlogic | it's too bad that A-B across track boundaries wouldn't have fit neatly into the arch, but I guess that wouldn't be a feature in high demand. |
| 15:11:43 | lokki | lostlogic: how can i swap the a/b button and the rec button? simply changing the hex values in button.h does not work... |
| 15:12:11 | lokki | no, i think a-b like it is now is good enough for 99% |
| 15:13:23 | lostlogic | lokki: it'd be in gwps.h |
| 15:14:02 | petur | _don't_ switch the hex values in button.h |
| 15:14:36 | lostlogic | lokki: at least to change access to the menu and the ab function −− but then the AB button would still have it's same function everywhere other than WPS, so you'd have to change it in several other files as well to completely switch them up |
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| 15:15:35 | lokki | no way to switch them completely? i mean within one file? |
| 15:15:46 | lostlogic | praps there is, but I don't know it |
| 15:15:53 | lokki | petur: why? |
| 15:16:08 | b0br | i think, it could be good to reconsider controls in h300 rockbox - it's little bit confusing right now.. |
| 15:17:03 | petur | lokki: you would switch the buttons everywhere |
| 15:18:24 | lokki | that's what i want |
| 15:18:33 | lokki | but it didn't work |
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| 15:19:27 | petur | lokki: those are hardware related defines... |
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| 15:20:20 | lostlogic | those #defined hex values are arbitrary actually. |
| 15:21:17 | petur | I must admit I don't know that part of RB (yet) |
| 15:21:23 | lostlogic | if you really want to change it, you have to switch them in button.c lines 723 and 725 actually. |
| 15:21:52 | b0br | petur: what are you working on right now? is there any chance of implementing this feature: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2138.0 in future? or at least playback while recorging? |
| 15:22:09 | lostlogic | but then the AB button will be needed to do actual recording things so that doesn't sound ideal at all. |
| 15:22:17 | lokki | thanks lostlogic, i'll give it a try |
| 15:22:47 | lokki | yeah, but maybe i change it back there, instead of changing it everywhere else |
| 15:23:09 | lostlogic | lokki: it doesn't exist that many places −− only 5 or 8 header files |
| 15:24:05 | petur | b0br: as Linus wrote in a related post: we can't play and record at the same time, it's a hardware restriction. |
| 15:24:20 | lokki | lostlogic: ok then i will do it this way so it's gwps.h for first then |
| 15:24:58 | petur | I'm busy getting the recording gain names right (also in the code) and move the decimator setting into the recording screen for otf changing |
| 15:25:03 | lostlogic | lokki: sounds like the best approach... I'm sure before release they'll do a big remap on HXXX buttons just to confuse all of us early adopters :-P |
| 15:25:05 | b0br | petur: oh no, that's bad news :(((( |
| 15:25:39 | petur | it is |
| 15:26:08 | lostlogic | is it because of the lack of additional DMA channels on the coldfire 5249? |
| 15:26:16 | webguest86 | Hi, i'm new, this is my first install of rockbox on a ihp-120, build 20060107, after reboot the screen reads: Rockbox boot loader version 6 batt: 4.23. Nothings hapens, other builds have the same problem. I read almost all the documentation on rockbox.org. |
| 15:26:54 | lostlogic | webguest86: sounds like you installed bootloader only but didn't copy teh actual rockbox firmware over to the hard disk. |
| 15:27:13 | petur | lostlogic: it's because recording and playback uses the same bus I think, so you're either playing or recording. |
| 15:27:43 | lostlogic | ah −− does that also eliminate the possibility of mixing line-in with pcm out for push-to-hear mode? |
| 15:27:54 | petur | no |
| 15:28:05 | lostlogic | because that's handled separately on the audio chip? |
| 15:28:32 | petur | yes, the audio chip can do the mixing... |
| 15:28:38 | lostlogic | gotcha, thanks |
| 15:28:54 | petur | must be investigated more tho... |
| 15:29:27 | petur | maybe after I got this stuff done. But I don't have much time atm :( |
| 15:29:45 | webguest86 | Lostlogic: You mean rockbox.irirver? I coppied it tho the ihp120. |
| 15:29:55 | Matze | well and i think even if it would be possible to get audiodata into the cpu while playing the power wouldn't be sufficent to encode and decode mp3 at the same time |
| 15:30:26 | Matze | i mean the cpu power, not the battery power :) |
| 15:30:28 | lostlogic | webguest86: rockbox.iriver and the whole .rockbox folder? (easiest to just extract a zip build to the player) |
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| 15:30:50 | petur | we're not encoding anything, just moving around and writing to file |
| 15:30:59 | lostlogic | Matze: no, if what linus said is right, there is only one RW bus between the audio chip and the CPU |
| 15:31:05 | lostlogic | so there is no way to transfer data both ways at the same time |
| 15:31:18 | petur | that's what I think too |
| 15:31:21 | webguest86 | lostlogic: Yes, I extracted it to the player. |
| 15:31:22 | Matze | yes but i said EVEN if there would be a way |
| 15:31:36 | Matze | but okay when not encoding to mp3 cpu would be enough... |
| 15:31:49 | Matze | but your argument beats all :) or linus argument |
| 15:31:54 | petur | got to go... bye |
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| 15:32:27 | b0br | bye |
| 15:33:52 | lostlogic | webguest86: hmmmmmm I assume you got the H120 version and not the H100 version? |
| 15:34:23 | webguest86 | Yes its the H120 |
| 15:35:33 | lostlogic | The only time I've seen similar behaviour was when I build the firmware with a bad compiler, but you aren't compiling it yourself so I'm out of ideas for the moment. |
| 15:37:01 | webguest86 | I used Fwpatchernu |
| 15:37:36 | lostlogic | webguest86: well the bootloader itself seems alright which is what the fwpatcher patches |
| 15:37:57 | _FireFly_ | webguest86: please check if the partition on the player is a primary-partition |
| 15:38:15 | _FireFly_ | and not a logical-partition |
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| 15:39:05 | muesli__ | tacho |
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| 15:41:18 | lostlogic | I think sort files numeric would be a useful option −− look for numbers at the start of filenames, sort by those if they exist, fall over to alpha |
| 15:42:55 | webguest86 | It is a logical-partition, i'm going to change it in a primary an let you know. |
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| 15:43:10 | lostlogic | _FireFly_: impressive diagnosis *bows* |
| 15:43:11 | _FireFly_ | webguest86: please backup our files before doing this |
| 15:43:36 | _FireFly_ | lostlogic: another guy haf the same problem this day :) |
| 15:43:42 | _FireFly_ | s/haf/had |
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| 15:45:19 | _FireFly_ | lostlogic: it was FeCu |
| 15:45:59 | FeCu | yes it worked |
| 15:46:09 | FeCu | change extended logical to primary |
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| 15:53:24 | lostlogic | hmm −− type sorting falls through to alpha, numeric should too −− use a goto, or let type sorting fall through twice? |
| 15:53:54 | _FireFly_ | ? |
| 15:54:41 | lostlogic | I'm trying to add numeric sorting −− sort ordering is handled by falling through a switch statement −− the type sort falls into the alpha currently −− I want numeric to fall through to alpha. |
| 15:55:01 | lostlogic | if I put it between type and alpha then type will fall through to numeric ahead of alpha, or I could use a goto to avoid that. |
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| 15:58:33 | t0mas | hi |
| 15:58:51 | webguest86 | Thanks Firefly, lostlogic and FeCu, i'm now using Rockbox! |
| 15:59:24 | preglow | and there was much rejoicing |
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| 16:00:14 | linuxstb | Hello preglow. |
| 16:00:48 | linuxstb | Have you tried the USB detection on your Nano? |
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| 16:03:24 | lokki | lostlogic: ok i switched it and it works like a charm... |
| 16:03:31 | lokki | i really like it better this way |
| 16:03:43 | lostlogic | gah, I don't see any way to use sort_alpha desc but it's in the switch statement for sort |
| 16:03:46 | lostlogic | lokki: cool |
| 16:05:07 | preglow | linuxstb: nope, i can try it later |
| 16:05:27 | preglow | and it suddenly occurs to me i can update my bootloader now i'm in linux |
| 16:06:01 | lokki | preglow: linux rocks |
| 16:08:52 | preglow | yes, given the right distro |
| 16:10:16 | lokki | you were hugging ubuntu last night |
| 16:10:25 | lokki | so i guess that's your choice |
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| 16:11:57 | preglow | hehe |
| 16:12:08 | preglow | yeah, it seems like it |
| 16:12:25 | preglow | nice to see a debian based distro that doesn't suck rod |
| 16:12:53 | preglow | debian itself requires a bit too much setup to work properly for a desktop for my tastes |
| 16:12:57 | preglow | on the server it does nicely |
| 16:13:01 | lokki | well i use gentoo... never made it into debian... but maybe i'll try ubuntu |
| 16:13:06 | preglow | i used gentoo on my server |
| 16:13:10 | preglow | was quite satisfied with it |
| 16:13:17 | lokki | yes it's fast |
| 16:13:20 | preglow | but i don't want to compile too much on desktop |
| 16:13:29 | lokki | and i use it for live audio... |
| 16:13:42 | preglow | i use this box for audio coding |
| 16:13:48 | lokki | hehe |
| 16:13:55 | preglow | i tried using demudi a couple of days, but god damn, that sucked |
| 16:14:14 | lokki | the only halfway decent audio distro i know of is planetccrma |
| 16:14:30 | lokki | based on redhat |
| 16:14:35 | preglow | yeah, haven't tried that |
| 16:14:40 | preglow | i prefer deb based distros |
| 16:14:52 | preglow | it's not too hard to make any linux distro work with audio |
| 16:15:04 | preglow | low latency being the tricky part, but not too hard that either |
| 16:15:16 | lokki | depends on your setup |
| 16:15:32 | lokki | low latency on a laptop is quite tricky |
| 16:15:32 | preglow | but anywho, the rme digiface i use worked without a hitch |
| 16:15:49 | lokki | he, i use a rme dsp multiface |
| 16:15:58 | preglow | alsa seems to have great support for it |
| 16:16:12 | preglow | i just needed to compile hdspconf and hdspmixer by hand, but i'm used to stuff like that |
| 16:16:20 | lokki | yes it does... |
| 16:16:37 | preglow | i just wish the hdspmixer was a bit more updated |
| 16:16:39 | preglow | i like the matrix view |
| 16:16:48 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 16:16:51 | preglow | which isn't here |
| 16:16:51 | lokki | i don't use hdspmixer that often |
| 16:16:52 | preglow | Jungti1234: bye |
| 16:16:52 | Jungti1234 | have a nice day |
| 16:16:58 | preglow | i will, thanks |
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| 16:17:22 | preglow | when you listen to as much roger whittaker as i have today, it's very hard not to have a good day |
| 16:17:42 | lokki | i mainly work with jack, which is THE reason to switch to linux |
| 16:17:56 | preglow | i work with jack as well |
| 16:18:03 | preglow | coding for it, that is |
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| 16:18:10 | lokki | what? |
| 16:18:17 | preglow | ambisonics decoder/encoder |
| 16:18:25 | lokki | cool |
| 16:18:29 | preglow | academic style surround sound, hehe |
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| 16:18:36 | lokki | i wish i could program in c... |
| 16:18:45 | preglow | never too late to learn |
| 16:18:52 | preglow | but i guess you've heard that before :P |
| 16:19:17 | lokki | the only thing i did was programming a midi redirector for alsa... |
| 16:19:26 | lokki | but it was copy and paste mostly |
| 16:19:35 | lokki | and it took me like 4 hours |
| 16:19:57 | preglow | not bad without knowing c, hehe |
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| 16:20:34 | lokki | the problem with learning c is that i don't know where to start exactly... i understand close to nothing and i want to write a plugin for rockbox for example |
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| 16:22:08 | lokki | i once bought a book, from cerningam ritchie or similar... helloworld and that stuff |
| 16:22:57 | lokki | but i just don't want to work through all of this.... i guess that's what you mean by learning, he |
| 16:23:28 | preglow | hahah |
| 16:23:30 | preglow | indeed |
| 16:23:34 | preglow | you more or less have to |
| 16:23:51 | preglow | the key is starting at the bottom, but with a certain something to work towards in mind |
| 16:24:23 | preglow | just trying to learn a language with nothing to use it for in mind never worked for me, so i guess it all depends on how complex what you want to make is |
| 16:24:34 | lokki | exactly |
| 16:24:45 | lokki | and audio stuff is not trivial at all |
| 16:24:52 | lokki | and thats what i want to do |
| 16:25:16 | lokki | coding audio applications for live interaction with my computer |
| 16:26:20 | lostlogic | what's involved in giving a setting an additional value? |
| 16:26:28 | lokki | maybe i shoud try to code some more midi stuff... |
| 16:26:50 | preglow | lokki: no, you're right in that |
| 16:27:03 | preglow | coding audio does have a pretty high learning curve |
| 16:27:09 | preglow | midi is simpler |
| 16:27:17 | preglow | but again, not so interesting, at least if you ask me, hehe |
| 16:28:03 | lokki | yeah, but you are a "senior programmer"... is it your profession? |
| 16:29:37 | preglow | at the moment my title is 'researcher' :) |
| 16:29:57 | preglow | but yeah, right now i mostly do programming |
| 16:30:15 | preglow | and i don't think i'll be senior for a while, i'm just finished with my education |
| 16:30:38 | lokki | ok..:) |
| 16:31:38 | lostlogic | bah, I've got the setting working but it doesn't save so everytime I reboot it goes away. |
| 16:33:08 | preglow | lostlogic: can't help with that, i'm afraid |
| 16:33:20 | lostlogic | shit. it would need another bit to store an additional value, that's why. |
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| 16:50:56 | lostlogic | numeric file sort: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399242&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
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| 16:57:46 | lokki | trying to compile the simulator and get errors (on linux) |
| 16:58:14 | lokki | rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 4)rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong formatcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:58:43 | lokki | ?? |
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| 17:02:55 | Matze | may is ask if anyone knows a good game for long jurneys? I'm going to austria (from germany) in 3 hours... already have tetrox and bubbles from the custom made games... |
| 17:03:14 | Matze | and maybe some rockboy games would be great :) do you know any good ones? |
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| 17:09:41 | preglow | well |
| 17:09:41 | preglow | heh |
| 17:09:53 | preglow | if you can survive the extreme slowness of rockboy, zelda is good |
| 17:10:44 | Matze | okay |
| 17:10:50 | Matze | i'll go finding it :) thx |
| 17:14:12 | muesli__ | super mario is great |
| 17:14:29 | muesli__ | its playable |
| 17:20:12 | lokki | hmm now it compiles (did make clean) but when i open the sim i can't run plugins... or play audio normal? |
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| 17:22:36 | lokki | i get the following |
| 17:22:58 | lokki | failed to load /.rockbox/rocks/battery_test.rockdlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/battery_test.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/battery_test.rock: invalid ELF headerSegmentation fault |
| 17:23:08 | Matze | muesli: i read that supermario is too slow |
| 17:23:14 | Matze | but u think its okay? |
| 17:23:17 | Matze | well i'll try |
| 17:23:27 | muesli__ | i've played loads of times within lectures |
| 17:23:47 | muesli__ | i dont know people are complaining about rockguys speed..its ok for me |
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| 17:36:28 | preglow | you've gotta be joking |
| 17:36:31 | preglow | it's slow as hell |
| 17:36:57 | preglow | why it hasn't been optimised more since god knows when it was commited is beyond me |
| 17:37:06 | preglow | especially since it seems to be somewhat popular |
| 17:37:33 | lostlogic | preglow: probably not popular with the kind of people who like to spend their time doing nitty gritty optimization work |
| 17:38:33 | preglow | i don't use it much, at least :) |
| 17:38:50 | lostlogic | I've never even tried it |
| 17:39:05 | preglow | i tried it, found it incredibly slow, then stopped trying it |
| 17:39:30 | lostlogic | lol −− strange, I tried Tremor, found it slow, and decided to wrestle with it... |
| 17:42:03 | Matze | okay mario is okay :) |
| 17:42:41 | Matze | well i think rockboxdeveloping is quite hard work... thats why noone tries it :) |
| 17:42:49 | lostlogic | make sure to have some way to charge −− if rockboy uses constant boost, it'll eat battery |
| 17:43:05 | Matze | perhaps i'll have a look at in in a week when i'm back... but i'm not that good ^ |
| 17:43:11 | Matze | oeh i mean rockboy not rockbox |
| 17:43:26 | preglow | lostlogic: well, yeah, there is a reason i haven't tried optimising it since |
| 17:43:33 | Matze | oh yes i have 3x 2100mAh nimh with me :) (3*4 batteries) |
| 17:43:36 | preglow | or the video plugin |
| 17:43:37 | preglow | heh |
| 17:43:43 | Matze | that should be enough for 2x 10 hours |
| 17:44:45 | lostlogic | holy batteries batman! |
| 17:44:59 | Matze | ? |
| 17:45:08 | preglow | haha |
| 17:45:10 | lostlogic | that's a lot of juice |
| 17:45:21 | Matze | yeah :) |
| 17:45:23 | Matze | i need it ^^ |
| 17:49:41 | Matze | am i right that there is no voltage regulator in the batteriepack? cause i made my own just with 4 batteries connected to the powerconnector... |
| 17:50:01 | Matze | (yeah late to ask this ^^ it charges since 5 minutes ago) |
| 17:50:41 | lostlogic | Matze: that is correct −− it's just a pack afaik −− the power supply in the player can handle charge input between 4.5 an 6.5 V if I recall correctly. |
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| 17:51:35 | preglow | the unit itself has a regulator |
| 17:51:40 | preglow | or at least i'd strongly hope so |
| 17:51:51 | Matze | i tried with a regulateable ac adapter (dunno right word, has stepless regulation option ^^) and it charges even if the voltage is 0,1V above the actual batteryvoltage (b ut then only very slow) |
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| 17:54:47 | lostlogic | Matze: at 4.3V it charged? That's out of spec, I'd worry about burning up the power supply chip doing that too much |
| 17:55:26 | preglow | dinner time |
| 17:58:30 | Matze | lostlogic: i only tried it for a short time... but why should it burn up with a too low voltage? charging system is only a current/voltage limiteer I think, so just a small mosfet... if there is not enough "primary voltage" it cant charge, thats all i think |
| 17:58:58 | Matze | well i've never looked at the schematics or datasheets of the charging circuit but i think it works like this |
| 17:59:36 | Matze | and... i tried charging with 3,8V btw, when battery had 3,7V it draw about 50mA from my source |
| 17:59:59 | Matze | well i can not guarant that battery was charging, but i assume this |
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| 18:01:13 | lostlogic | Matze: hmm, you may be right −− hmm..... I know the power supply has step up and down modes, but those must be for the output to the internal components, not for the input from the charger −− low voltage burnups occur when step up hardware is forced to operate out of spec... |
| 18:02:21 | Matze | yeah that is true |
| 18:02:33 | Matze | but there is definitively no stepup for charging |
| 18:03:00 | Matze | nice undervoltage protection for rechargeable batteries you charge with... |
| 18:03:00 | lostlogic | k |
| 18:03:25 | Matze | 0,9V*4=3,6V |
| 18:03:56 | Matze | and if internal battery is nearly full ne need over 4,2 volts to charge it further |
| 18:04:12 | lostlogic | ok, so here's the question −− people haev burned up the charging circuit by using bad AC adapters −− how do you think they did this? |
| 18:04:21 | Matze | so "normal" alkalines wouldnt even be drawn empty |
| 18:04:33 | Matze | i think this was done by wrong polarity |
| 18:04:44 | Matze | or maybe unstabilized (correct?) adapters |
| 18:05:00 | Matze | adapters that output 7V with no load for example, and 5V with 2A drawn... |
| 18:05:11 | Matze | or even worse |
| 18:05:37 | Matze | original power supply is a switching supply with nearly exact 5V output |
| 18:05:42 | Matze | no matter what load |
| 18:05:51 | lostlogic | *nod* burned the mosfet from too large an Voc meaning the voltage would climb as the battery neared full charge... ouch. |
| 18:06:04 | lostlogic | Matze: you an EE? |
| 18:06:08 | Matze | EE? |
| 18:06:14 | lostlogic | Electrical Engineer |
| 18:06:16 | Matze | oh no ^^ |
| 18:06:23 | Matze | i'm just interested in electronics |
| 18:06:32 | Matze | 17 year old pupil :) |
| 18:06:55 | lostlogic | :) nice |
| 18:08:10 | Matze | well do you have any example for an ac adapter someone burned his iriver with? |
| 18:09:29 | lostlogic | no, would have to search on misticriver |
| 18:10:04 | Matze | okay |
| 18:10:05 | lostlogic | actually the datasheet for the PCF50606 shows 0-15V Vchgvin (charger voltage) with 2.7 volts as the threshold for detecting a charger. |
| 18:10:20 | Matze | yeah that's what i measured |
| 18:10:38 | Matze | software shows charging symbol even with 3,0V connected |
| 18:10:43 | Matze | but it drains no current from that :) |
| 18:10:48 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 18:10:59 | Matze | so battery will DISCHARGE (cause LCD is powered from battery) |
| 18:11:36 | Matze | cant we measure the Powersupplyvoltage with internal ADC? or is it only connected to battery? |
| 18:11:37 | lostlogic | yeah, I've had that happen. |
| 18:11:55 | lostlogic | still reading the datasheet |
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| 18:13:04 | Matze | i dont this this would be in datasheet.. or maybe charging circuit outputs this over I2C? (does it have that?) sorry i have little time so i'm not searching myself ^^ but i thought about the coldfire CPU, it has ADC which is connected to the battery. doesnt it has a second adc channel? |
| 18:13:14 | Matze | oh first this=think |
| 18:14:07 | lostlogic | the coldfire would have to read the charger state from the PCF50606, which looks like it's just 1 bit of a status register so it doesn't show voltage, just says whether it's over 2.7V or not |
| 18:14:33 | Matze | okay |
| 18:14:57 | lostlogic | it has an I2C interface, I'm seeing if there's a way to read it there. |
| 18:15:00 | Matze | well i just realize i have another hour ^^ argh misread my clock :) i'm going to austria in 1 hours 40 minutes |
| 18:15:07 | lostlogic | hah :) |
| 18:15:11 | Matze | yep, i'll try that too |
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| 18:18:11 | Matze | okay we have 4 selectable ADC inputs in coldfire cpu... we only need to know what is connected there |
| 18:21:01 | Matze | okay and: pcf50606 has 4 adc channels |
| 18:21:15 | Matze | 2 of them can handle up to 6.0V |
| 18:21:26 | Matze | and in reference design one should measure charging current... |
| 18:21:44 | Matze | this is quite interesting i think, we only need to know if it's connected like reference design |
| 18:22:21 | Matze | oh 50606 has own rtc? do we use that one or is there another one |
| 18:22:21 | Matze | ? |
| 18:22:22 | lostlogic | perhaps we want to set the detmod to 1 so that we only detect a charger when the voltage is > Vbat+100mV |
| 18:22:26 | lostlogic | we use that |
| 18:22:31 | Matze | okay |
| 18:22:41 | Matze | yeah detmod=1 would be great |
| 18:22:55 | Matze | so we are sure it is charging... |
| 18:23:22 | lostlogic | I wonder if that's hardwired or configurable |
| 18:23:25 | lostlogic | *pokes around a bit* |
| 18:24:31 | Matze | that must be reachable through I2C |
| 18:24:40 | Matze | cause it is not in the pinning information -> no pin |
| 18:25:19 | lostlogic | it is |
| 18:25:26 | Matze | hm? |
| 18:25:30 | lostlogic | reachable via i2c |
| 18:25:38 | lostlogic | hafta figure out how |
| 18:25:50 | Matze | ahhh |
| 18:25:58 | Matze | okay i thouhgt u mean it is in pinning information |
| 18:27:40 | Matze | well i'm sorry but i have to go offline now.. |
| 18:27:56 | Matze | i'll be back in one week :) |
| 18:28:13 | Matze | good bye |
| 18:28:34 | lostlogic | laters! |
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| 18:31:27 | NicoFR | is there anyone here who's involved in codecs coding ? |
| 18:31:32 | NicoFR | especially MPC |
| 18:35:47 | NicoFR | nobody ? |
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| 18:47:45 | markun | NicoFR: preglow is the mpc man I think |
| 18:48:50 | NicoFR | ok ths i'll wait till he comes back from dinner |
| 18:53:30 | lostlogic | let's find out what the main battery charge registers tell us! |
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| 19:20:24 | NicoFR | I have to leave soon but I think preglow or any other MPC coder could be intereted by what I have to say |
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| 19:20:44 | NicoFR | I get a strange noise on some MPC files |
| 19:21:02 | NicoFR | sort of sharp, high pitched buzzing sound |
| 19:21:34 | mirak | salut |
| 19:21:48 | NicoFR | it starts at the end of at least one particular track (ie it does it on one of my songs and maybe others but not all) |
| 19:22:02 | NicoFR | salut |
| 19:22:29 | NicoFR | and then it goes on on other MPC tracks that follow in the playlist |
| 19:23:02 | NicoFR | it seems to stop when I go back in the playlist but not if I step forward |
| 19:24:32 | NicoFR | I'll post this in the forum but I'm not registred so I will do this when I find time... maybe someone could point this out to preglow when he comes back... thanks |
| 19:26:15 | lostlogic | weird −− the charger changed charge voltage settings for some reason that I cannot discern. |
| 19:35:42 | lostlogic | anyone have thoughts about enabling charger control on the H3x0? |
| 19:35:47 | lostlogic | seems a reasonable thing to do |
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| 19:37:31 | RotAtoR | NicoFR: the mpc buzzing is a known issue: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1859.0 |
| 19:37:49 | RotAtoR | preglow is well aware of it |
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| 19:52:22 | lostlogic | We definitely need more initialization of the power control module. |
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| 19:55:16 | preglow | i know, know |
| 19:55:23 | preglow | i was thinking of trying to fix it today |
| 19:55:28 | preglow | but it's such a hard bloody bug to debug |
| 19:55:55 | preglow | if someone's got a five second track exhibiting the bug, please send it to me |
| 19:56:20 | lostlogic | preglow: know anything about I2C? |
| 19:56:43 | preglow | the shortest one i've got is four minutes, and it's not exactly fun having to wait four minutes to see if i've fixed the bug all the time |
| 19:56:49 | preglow | lostlogic: i know how it works low-level, not much more |
| 19:57:04 | lostlogic | I assume that I2C r/w is orders of magnitude slower than GPIO r/w? |
| 19:57:18 | preglow | oh yes |
| 19:57:33 | preglow | that is, it depends how many gpio pins you use |
| 19:57:48 | preglow | if you're just using one pin it depends on what clock rate you use |
| 19:58:06 | preglow | i2c isn't really slow, but it is 1 bit serial |
| 19:58:09 | markun | preglow: what do you think about a rockbox feature freeze so we can get a new release including iriver H1xx? |
| 19:58:38 | preglow | markun: i think it's worth a shot, but i wont be able to contribute seriously for a little while |
| 19:59:13 | mirak | how does buffering works ? I mean does it takes ressource to load something from drive to ram ? |
| 19:59:31 | preglow | markun: i think it's worth waiting a little but anyway, just to see if more people wakes up again |
| 19:59:37 | preglow | would be nice having timid around for it, hehe |
| 19:59:41 | mirak | there is a caching thread or something ? |
| 19:59:51 | preglow | mirak: no, the playback thread does it |
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| 20:00:02 | preglow | mirak: and yes, it takes resources, as the hard drive is spinning and working |
| 20:00:10 | * | lostlogic plays with enabling manual charge control for H3x0 and initializing the PCF50606 instead of counting on it to be in a sane state. |
| 20:00:14 | mirak | can it shout down the playing ? |
| 20:00:24 | mirak | preglow: it's done in background, right ? |
| 20:00:28 | preglow | well, yeah |
| 20:00:41 | markun | mirak: researching buffering for the video player? |
| 20:01:00 | mirak | well the libmpeg2 have a status flag |
| 20:01:23 | mirak | in fact you just give him a buffer and run a parse, then it says if it decoded something or if it needs more data |
| 20:01:38 | markun | How far are you from a simple mpeg player? |
| 20:01:55 | mirak | actually the buffer is just filed for every 2 frames somehing like that |
| 20:02:07 | mirak | markun: it's still not ported to rockbox |
| 20:02:28 | mirak | but it read mpeg2 and extract to files |
| 20:02:34 | markun | great |
| 20:02:43 | mirak | I used the sample4 |
| 20:02:49 | markun | without mallocs? |
| 20:03:04 | mirak | it's like xvid, I created a fake malloc with a static buffer |
| 20:03:14 | mirak | the malloc are done just once at the begining |
| 20:03:36 | mirak | like xvid other mallocs could happen in case the video is resized in the stream |
| 20:03:41 | mirak | but it won't happen anyway |
| 20:04:45 | mirak | preglow: what I was wondering is when you reach the end of a buffer and that you need to rebuffer if the loading of data from file can stall everything |
| 20:05:02 | mirak | preglow: what I was wondering is when you reach the end of a buffer and that you need to rebuffer, if the loading of data from file can stall everything |
| 20:05:21 | lostlogic | and then I think I fried my player by fucking with the power cord too much. |
| 20:06:15 | markun | lostlogic: really? It's dead? |
| 20:06:44 | preglow | mirak: haven't you tried rockbox or what? :P buffering obviously works while music is playing and buffering is happening |
| 20:06:51 | preglow | lostlogic: ouch, how? |
| 20:06:52 | mirak | markun: I think it's time to port it to rockbox |
| 20:06:57 | lostlogic | it got warm, and trying to boot either firmware seems to have issues spinning up. |
| 20:07:24 | lostlogic | preglow: the power adapter I have at home has been a little bit iffy and I was plugging and replugging it repeatedly. |
| 20:07:35 | mirak | preglow: lol, yes I have. I was wondering how it worked. I will not bother with that for now |
| 20:08:19 | mirak | preglow: what I was wondering is when used with a very intensive codec. If it uses 98% of cpu, I guess it will stop playing music when caching |
| 20:09:10 | mirak | in fact the xvid exemple uses a buffer that is refilled when it reaches the half of it |
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| 20:09:40 | mirak | but I think it's useless unless the loading is concurrent and in another thread |
| 20:09:48 | lostlogic | bah, I can hear it try to spin up the HDD but it cuts out |
| 20:09:54 | lostlogic | fried PCF50606 my guess |
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| 20:11:38 | lostlogic | gonna let it cool and see if it comes back, but I doubt it. So, what should my next player be? :-D |
| 20:13:15 | preglow | hahaha |
| 20:13:16 | preglow | ipod! |
| 20:13:35 | preglow | on a related note, that chip should be replacable |
| 20:14:19 | preglow | am i the only one getting track skipping in the beginning of tracks when they're being buffered? |
| 20:15:46 | lostlogic | preglow: on vorbis? I still get that during applause on some particular tracks. |
| 20:15:56 | lostlogic | s/get/got until I fried my player by being a moron/ |
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| 20:19:33 | preglow | lostlogic: nah, just had it with both vorbis and mpc |
| 20:19:49 | preglow | besides, the tracks are q5 |
| 20:19:55 | preglow | it's a playback buffering bug |
| 20:19:59 | preglow | the playback system still has plenty of bugs left |
| 20:21:17 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 20:21:54 | lostlogic | Hmm... any idea where I could find an international H340 with no battery and no harddrive? |
| 20:22:40 | preglow | why'd you want that? |
| 20:23:09 | lostlogic | because I have a 2200mAh battery and a 40G hard drive right here, but I killed the power supply chip. |
| 20:23:15 | preglow | why not just order a chip? |
| 20:23:28 | lostlogic | no way I can do that soldering work. |
| 20:25:07 | preglow | don't know anyone who can=? |
| 20:26:14 | lostlogic | don't think so |
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| 20:30:32 | b0br | lostlogic: :(( it's too bad.. |
| 20:31:27 | b0br | today, i had a dream i bricked my player -> nightmare |
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| 20:32:48 | lokki | petur: are you there? |
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| 20:33:41 | hshah | hello all |
| 20:33:47 | lokki | i enabled the remote control buttons for recording... (not the display) |
| 20:33:52 | hshah | anyone seen TiMiD around recently? |
| 20:33:56 | preglow | no |
| 20:34:09 | hshah | can anyone commit my WPS instead? |
| 20:34:28 | hshah | TiMiD said he was going to when he got his connection fixed, but that was like November :s |
| 20:36:33 | lokki | anybody knows something about the peakmeter? (on iriver) |
| 20:37:09 | preglow | well, what about it? |
| 20:37:19 | lokki | can it be enabled on the remote? |
| 20:37:45 | preglow | sure, someone just needs to code it |
| 20:37:56 | lokki | ok :) |
| 20:38:07 | lokki | so it's not there yet |
| 20:38:30 | lokki | i don't know if recording from the remote will ever be possible |
| 20:38:37 | lokki | without too much noise |
| 20:38:43 | lostlogic | hmm... 60G ipod video is in my future, I think... so much for my m68k coding skills |
| 20:39:08 | preglow | haha |
| 20:39:27 | preglow | do a post and see if someone's got a dead h340 |
| 20:39:39 | lostlogic | yeah, I will post on MR and see |
| 20:39:41 | preglow | it's not long since someone came in hear and announced he'd broken his |
| 20:39:44 | preglow | here |
| 20:39:56 | lokki | lostlogic: there is a wiki page about spare parts... |
| 20:40:11 | lokki | put a request there too |
| 20:40:34 | mirak | hummm |
| 20:40:44 | mirak | #ifdef ARCH_X86 |
| 20:40:44 | mirak | static void state_restore_mmx (cpu_state_t * state) |
| 20:41:07 | mirak | I have a macro ARCH_X86, I don't get why it doesn't skip that code |
| 20:41:19 | mirak | I mean that macro is not defined |
| 20:41:23 | mirak | I hope |
| 20:41:28 | mirak | is it ??? |
| 20:41:39 | mirak | I build for H300 target |
| 20:42:13 | lostlogic | preglow: does Rockbox-IPOD play music yet? |
| 20:42:31 | lokki | preglow: if i enable the remote buttons for the recording screen and menu, i get clicky sounds on my recorded files (from line-in with no source attached!) |
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| 20:46:03 | mirak | what's the preprocessor command to display something ? |
| 20:50:23 | mirak | ok sorry ... |
| 20:50:30 | mirak | it was in the config file |
| 20:51:23 | preglow | lostlogic: play and play, heh, it does play it, but full of gaps and noise |
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| 20:53:30 | lostlogic | preglow: haha, makes me unable to really buy an ipod replacement, because all my audio is OGG and apple's firmware doesn't do ogg :( |
| 20:53:36 | preglow | indeed |
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| 20:54:32 | Vapour-X | finally got on! |
| 20:54:47 | Vapour-X | hi san and paprica |
| 20:54:57 | Paprica | hi |
| 20:54:58 | Paprica | =] |
| 20:55:26 | Vapour-X | by the way paprica i gave up on space invaders lol |
| 20:56:11 | Paprica | =\ |
| 20:56:32 | Vapour-X | and asteroids, i decided i cant code c |
| 20:56:39 | Vapour-X | shame really.... |
| 20:56:45 | Vapour-X | but it was to confusing... |
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| 21:03:34 | mirak | preglow: how did you managed to use fprintf on stderr and don't get errors ? |
| 21:03:50 | preglow | i've never done that |
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| 21:04:02 | mirak | preglow: ok |
| 21:04:12 | preglow | you're probably looking at code i had to comment out to make it work |
| 21:04:16 | mirak | preglow: what's the best thing I can do to remove the error with a minimum of effort ? |
| 21:04:21 | mirak | ok |
| 21:04:23 | preglow | remove what error? |
| 21:04:26 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 21:04:27 | preglow | no idea |
| 21:04:32 | preglow | you'll have to implement fprintf |
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| 21:04:36 | mirak | lol |
| 21:04:41 | | Join webguest22 [0] (n=519f13c0@labb.contactor.se) |
| 21:04:41 | mirak | no I won't |
| 21:04:56 | webguest22 | hi |
| 21:04:58 | mirak | but I was wondering if macros could help to transform maching lines |
| 21:05:27 | mirak | preglow: for exemple tell the preprocessort to remove lines matching printf(.*) |
| 21:05:31 | webguest22 | does anyone know whether there is a plug in for any pokemon or zelda games for the H1X0? |
| 21:05:38 | preglow | rockboy |
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| 21:06:12 | webguest22 | sorry to be n00bish but i have only just installed rock box for the first time just now |
| 21:06:22 | webguest22 | so not reallty undertanding rock boy? |
| 21:06:46 | | Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) |
| 21:06:50 | preglow | rephrase, please, incomprehensible |
| 21:07:01 | preglow | Seed: hiya |
| 21:07:18 | webguest22 | i only just installed rockbox but dont understand it very well , and would like to know hoe to play pokemon or zelda? |
| 21:07:47 | preglow | 1. you need to find the rom files from some site, 2. you need to copy them to the player, 3. you need to just select them in the file browser |
| 21:07:47 | | Part Seed |
| 21:08:01 | webguest22 | will .gb files work? |
| 21:08:03 | preglow | yes |
| 21:08:23 | webguest22 | ah. i was getting confused by the ideas of plug ins and things like that |
| 21:08:28 | webguest22 | thanks a lot for your help |
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| 21:08:38 | webguest22 | can anybody advise any good games for rock boy? |
| 21:08:39 | preglow | beware that rockboy is almost unusable |
| 21:08:46 | preglow | it needs work badly |
| 21:09:01 | webguest22 | i have read that, but i would like to try it anyway |
| 21:09:04 | preglow | sure |
| 21:09:17 | webguest22 | can anybody advise any good games for rock boy? |
| 21:09:21 | preglow | more or less the only games i played on gameboy were some of the mario ones, and one zelda one |
| 21:09:24 | preglow | they were all good |
| 21:09:55 | webguest22 | right , 1 last thing . wheres the best place to get the roms from? |
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| 21:12:25 | newnick | hi everyone |
| 21:12:31 | Vapour-X | hulo |
| 21:12:54 | newnick | where do people get their roms for rockboy from? |
| 21:13:22 | Vapour-X | just search on google for gameboy roms |
| 21:13:32 | newnick | ok then |
| 21:13:34 | newnick | cheers |
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| 21:31:52 | joshn_454 | anyone here using rockbox on ipod? |
| 21:32:00 | preglow | RotAtoR: you got any short files that trigger the mpc problem? |
| 21:35:49 | RotAtoR | not any shorter than serveral minutes |
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| 21:37:14 | RotAtoR | i'll take a quick look through the shortest songs... |
| 21:39:25 | preglow | just the shortest you can find will do |
| 21:39:34 | preglow | the shortest i have is seven minutes... |
| 21:40:47 | RotAtoR | that's no fun for debugging |
| 21:40:57 | RotAtoR | i'll see what i can come up with |
| 21:44:44 | RotAtoR | found one that's 1:33 in length, can i dcc it to you? |
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| 21:49:56 | DreamTactix291 | mpc problem? |
| 21:49:57 | DreamTactix291 | what sort? |
| 21:50:01 | DreamTactix291 | i'm just curious |
| 21:50:24 | RotAtoR | a buzzing problem |
| 21:50:32 | RotAtoR | you can read about it here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1859.0 |
| 21:50:37 | DreamTactix291 | thanks |
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| 21:50:48 | DreamTactix291 | just curious since i used to use musepack a long time ago |
| 21:51:13 | DreamTactix291 | also Porcupine Tree are cool :) |
| 21:51:31 | RotAtoR | hehe, one of my favorites ;) |
| 21:52:01 | Vapour-X | so... whats everyone listening to on their rockboxed daps? ;) |
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| 21:52:06 | San | hey |
| 21:52:11 | Vapour-X | hi san |
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| 21:52:18 | dpassen1 | The Who - Quadrophenia, currently |
| 21:52:18 | San | hey |
| 21:52:33 | Vapour-X | hey san think you can come on msn? |
| 21:52:57 | Vapour-X | dpassen1: cool |
| 21:53:10 | San | i'm on now |
| 21:53:11 | San | :D |
| 21:53:14 | Vapour-X | so i see |
| 21:53:15 | Vapour-X | lol |
| 21:53:20 | San | :D |
| 21:58:09 | DreamTactix291 | i don't listen to my DAP when i'm at my computer |
| 21:58:09 | DreamTactix291 | but |
| 21:58:21 | DreamTactix291 | i am listening to Frameshift - Unweaving the Rainbow |
| 21:58:28 | DreamTactix291 | excellent album |
| 21:59:12 | RotAtoR | that's the James LaBrie album, right? |
| 21:59:16 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
| 21:59:22 | DreamTactix291 | i have both Frameshift albums |
| 21:59:31 | DreamTactix291 | Sebastian Bach sings on An Absence of Empathy |
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| 22:00:58 | RotAtoR | I don't think i've ever listened to frameshift, but maybe i should, i'm a fan of DT |
| 22:03:16 | DreamTactix291 | as am I |
| 22:03:50 | DreamTactix291 | you've heard Ayreon - The Human Equation right? |
| 22:03:59 | lostlogic | Hmm... say I want rockbox on iPod to act nearly as possible just like it did on the iRiver (because I have no intention of every using iTunes), is that planned to be possible? |
| 22:04:07 | RotAtoR | yup, i own that album :) |
| 22:04:11 | DreamTactix291 | :D |
| 22:05:09 | DreamTactix291 | and you know that after that Arjen Lucassen and Marcela Bovio did Stream of Passion - Embrace the Storm right? |
| 22:05:59 | RotAtoR | no, i didn't hear about that |
| 22:06:38 | DreamTactix291 | it was good |
| 22:07:08 | lostlogic | ::blink blink:: iPod is dual core... rockbox SMT! |
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| 22:09:34 | preglow | lostlogic: that _is_ the plan |
| 22:10:06 | lostlogic | damn, also has hardware mpeg4 acceleration... that thing's a beast. |
| 22:10:36 | preglow | it is |
| 22:10:39 | * | lostlogic breaks down and buys one and prepares to optimize Tremor for something new :-D |
| 22:10:43 | preglow | and you should know that before buying it, btw |
| 22:10:54 | preglow | there is one chip in it that is virtually unkown |
| 22:10:57 | preglow | unknownm |
| 22:11:02 | preglow | the chip that does the video decoding |
| 22:11:13 | joshn_454 | and that talks to the display |
| 22:11:29 | joshn_454 | which is why the display is so slow on the 5g |
| 22:11:39 | preglow | according to linuxstb, it isn't so slow |
| 22:12:24 | joshn_454 | it's not too bad until you try to play audio while updating the display. Then it goes down to 2 or 3 fps |
| 22:12:33 | lostlogic | do you think it is reasonable to hope for iPod 5G vorbis playing by say March? That's really the only thing very important to me |
| 22:12:36 | preglow | what, they've got audio working? |
| 22:12:49 | preglow | lostlogic: i have no idea |
| 22:12:56 | saa[b_r]ider | RoTaToR, you're here... I have something for you :) |
| 22:12:59 | preglow | i wont have (much) time to work on it about a month |
| 22:13:00 | lostlogic | preglow: I should really read topics ;) |
| 22:13:17 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: ok, send it on over :) |
| 22:13:24 | preglow | joshn_454: ipl people have sound working now? |
| 22:13:27 | mirak | preglow: I am almost done mpeg2 |
| 22:13:31 | mirak | /home/karim/Prog/src/rockbox/builddir/apps/plugins/libmpeg2/link.lds:4 nonconstant expression for origin |
| 22:13:31 | mirak | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 22:13:37 | mirak | I have that error on linking |
| 22:13:43 | saa[b_r]ider | I just made a screen for bubbles! I'll post it at MR now |
| 22:14:01 | lostlogic | preglow: I can deal. Hopefully I can help too! |
| 22:14:03 | RotAtoR | cool, i'll check over there |
| 22:14:21 | joshn_454 | preglow: no, but you can play audio. It's just that no sound comes out |
| 22:14:44 | lostlogic | can decode audio, and send it to the bitbucket you mean? |
| 22:14:44 | preglow | i wonder how apple deals with it |
| 22:14:48 | joshn_454 | right |
| 22:15:03 | preglow | they way it's used now is mainly just for compatability with ipod diagnostics |
| 22:15:06 | preglow | or at least that's my guess |
| 22:15:28 | joshn_454 | iPL people are working on faster screen rates, IIRC |
| 22:15:34 | preglow | yes, but it'll be hard |
| 22:15:44 | preglow | they'll need to reprogram the broadcom chip, afaik |
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| 22:18:08 | preglow | i wonder if they've tried contacting broadcom |
| 22:18:35 | joshn_454 | broadcom is infamous for refusing to release docs, aren't they? |
| 22:19:01 | joshn_454 | btw, how does rockbox deal with the COP now? does it just ignore it? |
| 22:19:21 | preglow | i put it to sleep, then never wake it |
| 22:19:55 | joshn_454 | ok |
| 22:20:02 | preglow | i'll wake it when it's got something to wake up to |
| 22:20:54 | joshn_454 | sure |
| 22:21:11 | joshn_454 | man, I wish we had docs for the new wolfson chip |
| 22:21:18 | preglow | you know if it's very different? |
| 22:21:24 | preglow | i fucking _HATE_ not having docs |
| 22:21:27 | preglow | god, it sucks |
| 22:21:38 | joshn_454 | it's the only major component that's changed from the nano re: sound |
| 22:21:46 | preglow | especially when the only reference you is the ipl source, which also isn't very friendly |
| 22:21:53 | joshn_454 | true |
| 22:21:54 | preglow | yeah, know, it's very similar |
| 22:23:00 | mirak | preglow: I don't know the reason, but the other plugins are OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-m68k) I don't know why this one is set arm |
| 22:23:25 | joshn_454 | preglow: so are you sorta a bridge between ipl and rockbox? |
| 22:23:41 | preglow | well, i tend to hang out in #ipodlinux to ask questions |
| 22:23:53 | preglow | not so much a bridge as a nagging nuisance, hehe |
| 22:23:58 | joshn_454 | heh |
| 22:24:47 | joshn_454 | I just got a video for the sole purpose of getting rockbox on it, so I'm rapidly moving into that same role :-) |
| 22:25:41 | preglow | ahh, cool |
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| 22:31:52 | saa[b_r]ider | RoTaToR: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=368925#post368925 |
| 22:32:03 | mirak | preglow: any idea why it would default to arm ? |
| 22:33:00 | preglow | mirak: i have no idea at all |
| 22:33:02 | preglow | looks strange |
| 22:33:28 | Paprica | saa[b_r]ider, very nice |
| 22:33:38 | saa[b_r]ider | merci :) |
| 22:33:48 | saa[b_r]ider | at least I can do "something" :D |
| 22:34:11 | saa[b_r]ider | maybe I can't write code, but I can do a little bit of photoshoping ;) |
| 22:34:11 | preglow | ooooh |
| 22:34:12 | preglow | that game rocks |
| 22:34:57 | RotAtoR | preglow: i've got a nicely working version posted in that thread ;) |
| 22:34:59 | saa[b_r]ider | I finished all 100 levels a few months ago :D I never knew I'd be able to play it on my iRiver before, or I would've waited ;) |
| 22:35:08 | RotAtoR | even has ipod support... :D |
| 22:35:14 | preglow | RotAtoR: and the controls will be SUPER on ipod |
| 22:35:27 | RotAtoR | yup, scroll to aim should work well |
| 22:35:46 | * | saa[b_r]ider admits that preglow is right |
| 22:35:57 | preglow | now, one game left: |
| 22:36:00 | preglow | puyo pop |
| 22:36:19 | preglow | where'd you get the gfx, btw? |
| 22:36:29 | RotAtoR | from frozen bubble |
| 22:37:14 | saa[b_r]ider | so RoTaToR, can this be implemented? |
| 22:38:05 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: it looks good, it should be fairly easy to implement |
| 22:38:30 | saa[b_r]ider | very nice... |
| 22:38:37 | saa[b_r]ider | I can do a splash screen as well |
| 22:38:59 | RotAtoR | i don't know if i want to outright right rip off all the frozen bubble graphics though... |
| 22:39:12 | preglow | why not? |
| 22:39:14 | preglow | not gpl? |
| 22:39:20 | RotAtoR | it is gpl |
| 22:39:22 | preglow | goodie |
| 22:39:30 | RotAtoR | but it still seems like cheating :p |
| 22:39:38 | preglow | haha |
| 22:39:41 | preglow | but the gfx are nice |
| 22:39:49 | RotAtoR | that they are |
| 22:39:50 | saa[b_r]ider | we can add it as a port of their game, on their official page |
| 22:40:13 | RotAtoR | but no need for the penguin motif, rockbox is not linux... |
| 22:40:55 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: but it's not actually a port per se... it's written completely from scratch |
| 22:41:18 | saa[b_r]ider | only the graphics and stages... right |
| 22:41:48 | RotAtoR | right, just used their data, not their code |
| 22:42:00 | preglow | still, i like the gfx |
| 22:42:17 | preglow | i didn't even see they were penguins, heh |
| 22:42:25 | RotAtoR | fine, i'll use them for now :p |
| 22:42:32 | saa[b_r]ider | :) |
| 22:42:40 | RotAtoR | they do look very good |
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| 22:43:01 | RotAtoR | thanks saa[b_r]ider! |
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| 22:43:12 | saa[b_r]ider | on the contrary, thank you ;) |
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| 22:44:03 | mc_365 | need advise |
| 22:44:24 | saa[b_r]ider | btw, what image format are the "bubbles" in? |
| 22:44:45 | mc_365 | I love the iPods egronomics but I absolutely need gapless |
| 22:45:13 | saa[b_r]ider | I thought iPods supported gapless AAC or something |
| 22:45:14 | mc_365 | should I get an iriver and do rockbox or get an iPod and wait for the port |
| 22:46:03 | mc_365 | you have to make 1 big file and bookmark it |
| 22:46:08 | saa[b_r]ider | mc_365: depends on your prioraties |
| 22:46:36 | saa[b_r]ider | which iRiver are you considering? |
| 22:46:59 | saa[b_r]ider | H300 or H100? |
| 22:47:00 | mc_365 | I can wait but I need gapless as it would be primarily hooked to the stereo so I don't have to always play from my network |
| 22:47:30 | mc_365 | Are the H10 20gb supported yet |
| 22:47:35 | saa[b_r]ider | nope |
| 22:47:46 | saa[b_r]ider | only the two I mentioned |
| 22:48:15 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: the graphic just need to be bmps so they can be run through bmp2rb |
| 22:48:18 | preglow | now look at this |
| 22:48:26 | mc_365 | I thought I read on dapreview it was working on the H10 |
| 22:48:29 | preglow | the good david bryant has mailed me with a possible solution to the musepack problem |
| 22:48:35 | RotAtoR | nice! |
| 22:48:49 | preglow | good thing i didn't start debugging already, then |
| 22:48:54 | preglow | i'll give it a test now |
| 22:48:58 | RotAtoR | works on codecs that aren't even his! |
| 22:49:06 | RotAtoR | does he even have a rb capable player? |
| 22:49:09 | preglow | sure |
| 22:49:14 | preglow | he has a h140 |
| 22:49:22 | RotAtoR | ahh, ok |
| 22:49:32 | preglow | how else was he supposed to be able to code wavpack support? :P |
| 22:49:48 | saa[b_r]ider | mc_365, it does not work on the H10.. h100, yes (sometimes refered to as H1x0 or H1xx) |
| 22:49:48 | RotAtoR | heh, i suppose that would be a td hard... |
| 22:49:55 | preglow | and annoying |
| 22:49:56 | RotAtoR | s/td/tad |
| 22:50:05 | preglow | time for some coding music |
| 22:50:24 | saa[b_r]ider | rotator, so the little circules are bmps? |
| 22:50:49 | mirak | mc_365: H300 are discountinued |
| 22:51:21 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: yes |
| 22:52:10 | saa[b_r]ider | do you use a certain color for transperancy? |
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| 22:52:27 | webguest09 | Hi |
| 22:52:41 | mc_365 | Why do companies hate gapless |
| 22:52:54 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: nope, there is no transparency support for color bitmaps |
| 22:53:03 | webguest09 | I would like to try the current version of rockbox on my ipod, just to see what the interface looks like |
| 22:53:11 | saa[b_r]ider | how are the edges not overlapping then? |
| 22:53:33 | RotAtoR | the outside circle is monochrome... each bubble is actually two images |
| 22:53:41 | mc_365 | so I guess I have no choice accept the iPod or a refurb Karma |
| 22:53:50 | RotAtoR | the inside color images don't overlap |
| 22:54:17 | preglow | ifp port patch posted |
| 22:54:46 | webguest09 | I hope Rockbox works on the iPod soon |
| 22:55:03 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: it's a bit ugly, but it's the only way i can use color bubbles |
| 22:55:09 | lostlogic | man I just had a waking nightmare about making rockbox work in SMT... there are a lot of places that assume nothing's changed unless they explicitly went to sleep. |
| 22:55:44 | saa[b_r]ider | actually it looks good. I was wondering if there was a way to fix the graphics in bejeweled |
| 22:56:00 | RotAtoR | nope, not at the moment |
| 22:56:23 | saa[b_r]ider | soon maybe :) |
| 22:56:39 | preglow | not bad, seems my arm startup code works on ifp as well |
| 22:57:03 | * | amiconn finally got a H340 |
| 22:57:06 | amiconn | :-) |
| 22:57:11 | saa[b_r]ider | btw, I'm trying to work on a RB specific background, that's not a frozen bubble knock off ;) but don't expect it anytime soon! |
| 22:57:19 | lostlogic | amiconn: just as I kill mine, yay! |
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| 22:57:53 | amiconn | lostlogic: What happened? |
| 22:57:56 | preglow | amiconn: what, another iriver? |
| 22:58:00 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: nice, thanks |
| 22:58:04 | preglow | amiconn: ipod! |
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| 22:58:16 | lostlogic | amiconn: I fried it messing with my cheap power adapter trying to learn about the PCF50606. |
| 22:58:21 | amiconn | preglow: That's _very_ unlikely |
| 22:59:03 | preglow | this'll end with me buying you one, you know ;) |
| 22:59:18 | amiconn | Really? ;) |
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| 23:00:02 | preglow | if i become a millionare: yes |
| 23:00:03 | Bagder | Rockbox on the ipod will probably for the first time make Rockbox cover more players than any known single person owns |
| 23:00:49 | amiconn | I don't like the iPod hardware. Unfortunately it's the most widespread player brand afaik |
| 23:01:16 | preglow | i don't like it either |
| 23:01:27 | preglow | that is, it's ok, but i want docs! |
| 23:01:56 | lostlogic | #mr is telling me that the iPod DAC is a lot worse than the UDA1380, any thoughts? |
| 23:02:02 | preglow | Bagder: what's the position on the ifp port? |
| 23:02:17 | preglow | lostlogic: i don't really know, i haven't used mine for listening to music yet :PP |
| 23:02:22 | Bagder | I haven't check his patch but I would like to see it merged |
| 23:02:22 | lostlogic | giggler |
| 23:02:24 | mirak | preglow: what could unset in plugin.lds the variable CONFIG_CPU ? |
| 23:02:35 | preglow | mirak: god knows, nothing should, are you sure it's unset? |
| 23:02:39 | mirak | I added a #warning |
| 23:02:41 | mirak | loo |
| 23:02:45 | mirak | k |
| 23:02:51 | preglow | lostlogic: but yeah, the general consensus is the ipod audio quality isn't really tops |
| 23:03:00 | amiconn | lostlogic: If that is so, then the iPod dac must really suck. The UDA is already worse than the MAS integrated DAC... |
| 23:03:02 | mirak | #ifdef CPU_COLDFIRE |
| 23:03:02 | mirak | OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-m68k) |
| 23:03:02 | mirak | #elif CONFIG_CPU==PP5020 |
| 23:03:02 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK mirak |
| 23:03:02 | mirak | #warning hello |
| 23:03:02 | mirak | OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-littlearm) |
| 23:03:03 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:03:03 | mirak | #else |
| 23:03:05 | mirak | OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-sh) |
| 23:03:07 | mirak | #endif |
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| 23:03:32 | mirak | for all the linking it's ok and go into #ifdef CPU_COLDFIRE doing OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-m68k) |
| 23:03:56 | mirak | however for the last plug I created it enters in #elif CONFIG_CPU==PP5020 |
| 23:04:04 | mirak | I am sure of the because the warning is displayed |
| 23:04:12 | mirak | that/the |
| 23:04:44 | Bagder | CPU_COLDFIRE looks totally wrong |
| 23:04:48 | mirak | I have grepped and serached the code but I don't see any undef |
| 23:04:57 | Bagder | CONFIG_CPU should be MCF5249 |
| 23:05:08 | preglow | CPU_COLDFIRE is right |
| 23:05:15 | preglow | it's a define for all coldfires |
| 23:05:19 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:05:21 | preglow | just as CPU_ARM is a define for all arms |
| 23:05:33 | preglow | so we don't need endless #if CONFIG_CPU == lolcpu || chains |
| 23:05:43 | Bagder | right, its in config.h |
| 23:05:49 | preglow | yea |
| 23:06:04 | mirak | I am searching why suddenly the variable is unset |
| 23:06:14 | Paprica | please if you can |
| 23:06:15 | Paprica | http://www.magefa.gadgetim.co.il/index.php?id=Paprica1136693314 |
| 23:06:18 | Paprica | join in |
| 23:06:28 | Paprica | i can win an ipod nano |
| 23:06:33 | Paprica | =\ |
| 23:06:42 | Bagder | mirak: it isn't unset in the CVS sources, right? |
| 23:07:21 | mirak | I haven't synced cvs for some time now |
| 23:07:42 | Bagder | if it would, no build for irivers would work |
| 23:08:28 | mirak | yes, especially here, only the plugin I added have that problem |
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| 23:13:06 | preglow | i think the current ifp patch will break ipod |
| 23:14:13 | mirak | maybe there is a global unset somewhere |
| 23:14:18 | mirak | how would it look like ? |
| 23:14:27 | preglow | #undef |
| 23:14:42 | Bagder | I would assume you just messed up the #include in the top of the lds file |
| 23:15:04 | Bagder | or possibly messed up some of the generic defines the config.h file needs |
| 23:16:14 | mirak | I didn't changed the lds file in the top |
| 23:16:28 | mirak | hem |
| 23:17:24 | mirak | would it be possible the config.h of mpeg2 override the one into plugins ? |
| 23:17:30 | preglow | yes |
| 23:17:33 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:17:33 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:17:35 | Bagder | rename it |
| 23:17:36 | preglow | they need to be renamed |
| 23:17:45 | mirak | oK :-/ |
| 23:17:47 | preglow | that's the reason _all_ config.h in the codecs are renamed |
| 23:19:18 | amiconn | Not only config.h. Gnuboy had an lcd.h which needed to be renamed for rockboy. Such problems are sometimes hard to track down. |
| 23:19:39 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:19:48 | preglow | on a more positive note, you probably wont go in this trap again :) |
| 23:20:04 | preglow | and it reminded me of its existence |
| 23:20:07 | amiconn | I hope so... |
| 23:22:02 | lostlogic | the SNR on the wolfon codec datasheet most similar to the iPod video one is indeed worse than the UDA1380 |
| 23:23:15 | amiconn | The UDA has rather poor channel separation |
| 23:25:09 | lostlogic | amiconn: it's a 100dB SNR, 90dB separation on wolfson and 90/100 on UDA 1380 (for the DAC) |
| 23:25:56 | amiconn | I don't believe the 100 dB channel separation. If it's not the UDA, it's some other part of the iriver hardware that produces the poor channel separation |
| 23:26:14 | mirak | poor channel separation ? |
| 23:26:20 | mirak | what do you mean ? |
| 23:26:24 | preglow | i don't think the uda is the culprit |
| 23:26:30 | lostlogic | gah, swap those numbers, the wolfson has the better separation and worse SNR |
| 23:27:18 | amiconn | I did a test: Set volume to max, balance to one extreme. Put the loud earpiece away, preferably under a cushion or such. Put the quiet earpiece into the ear. |
| 23:27:28 | lostlogic | the headphone driver in the UDA1380 shows between 60 and 74dB separation, so that's where htye get coupled |
| 23:27:32 | amiconn | When I do this with an archos, I don't hear anything |
| 23:27:46 | amiconn | On the iriver I can hear the music very well |
| 23:28:17 | amiconn | ..and thats in spite of the fact that the maximum volume of the iriver is lower than that of the archos |
| 23:28:27 | lostlogic | the wolfson does not list a channel separation number for the headphone driver |
| 23:28:33 | preglow | you can hear 60db seperation |
| 23:28:53 | preglow | this should be pretty easily measurable |
| 23:28:54 | lostlogic | if the music is 100dB in one ear, then you should be able to hear it pretty fine? |
| 23:29:13 | preglow | i only have digital inputs on this rig, though |
| 23:29:17 | preglow | so no can do |
| 23:29:52 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:29:52 | * | preglow notices the a/d unit sitting next to him |
| 23:29:59 | preglow | ahh, the problem is now that i don't have a cable |
| 23:30:20 | lostlogic | the "analog output" channel separation is 85dB on wolfson |
| 23:30:26 | preglow | way better |
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| 23:31:14 | lostlogic | preglow: if that's the right measurement −− it doesn't call that the "headphone out" number, which is the number ranging from 60-74 (depending on load) on the uda1380 |
| 23:31:42 | amiconn | Ah, MAS3587 crosstalk attenuation (headphone output): 80 dB |
| 23:31:59 | preglow | then ipod beats archos |
| 23:32:07 | amiconn | Yes, by a few dB |
| 23:33:33 | lostlogic | does it seem like it'll be reasonable to leave the COP off for normal music decoding, and only turn it on for things like rockboy + music, or will we use it as a 'boost processor' for music playing as well? |
| 23:33:55 | amiconn | This is with 16 Ohm headphones, for which the UDA datasheet lists 60 dB typical (minimum 55 dB) |
| 23:34:05 | amiconn | 55 dB is compact cassette level... |
| 23:34:52 | preglow | lostlogic: we'll use the cop for decoding, probably |
| 23:35:19 | preglow | lostlogic: there'll be no dynamic scheduling of tasks, one of the two cores will be used for a specific thing |
| 23:35:32 | lostlogic | preglow: ahhh... my nightmare of SMT fades. |
| 23:35:33 | preglow | this is in order to keep the scheduler simple |
| 23:35:37 | lostlogic | cool. |
| 23:35:52 | preglow | i don't want rockbox to end up looking like linux :-) |
| 23:35:59 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 23:36:06 | lostlogic | I guess I'm settled on buying an ipod 5g then |
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| 23:36:56 | lostlogic | has anyone managed to hunt down the datasheet for the _actual_ wolfson chip in the iPod or are we going off of the 'nearest' and what iPL can figure out? |
| 23:37:15 | miner49er | has anyone any experience of opening up an Iriver HP120? |
| 23:37:44 | preglow | lostlogic: no datasheet for that chip |
| 23:37:57 | lostlogic | man, that is harsh. |
| 23:38:03 | preglow | lostlogic: which is also the case for the nano chip, but they have managed to find a sheet that's very similar |
| 23:38:37 | preglow | that's what coding for ipod is like |
| 23:38:40 | preglow | unfortunately |
| 23:38:44 | miner49er | ...or how to fix one after an incorrect charger was plugged in? |
| 23:38:51 | preglow | miner49er: you don't fix that |
| 23:38:57 | preglow | miner49er: you toss it in the scrapyard |
| 23:39:02 | Bagder | miner49er: that usually fry it badly |
| 23:39:08 | lostlogic | miner49er: that's basically what I did to my H340 today ;( sucks. |
| 23:39:12 | miner49er | no? okay then, forget I asked. |
| 23:39:35 | preglow | miner49er: how does it behave? |
| 23:40:39 | preglow | lostlogic: you inserted an incorrect charger several times??? |
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| 23:41:47 | miner49er | preglow: I don't know the exact details, my brother did it and then sent it up to me. |
| 23:42:01 | preglow | miner49er: well, yeah, but what does it do when you try to turn it on? nothing? |
| 23:42:05 | lostlogic | preglow: the charger meets specs, but it's cheap and I know it has had shorting problems, which I had 'fixed' by the angle it was at −− I futzed with it today while the iRiver was plugged... poof. |
| 23:42:10 | miner49er | preglow: all I know is he tried to charge with a UK Nokia charger (he bought it in the US) |
| 23:42:29 | Bagder | the "Nokia Syndrome" |
| 23:42:32 | Bagder | it kills |
| 23:42:52 | preglow | lesson: use the friggin iriver charger |
| 23:43:06 | preglow | miner49er: well, yeah, i'm afraid it's probably dead then |
| 23:43:13 | preglow | the hd might still live |
| 23:43:16 | * | amiconn has to be very careful with the chargers |
| 23:43:31 | amiconn | The archos charger plug also fits the iriver socket |
| 23:43:36 | miner49er | preglow: It will come on, if i've left it for a while and then use my Archos charger (I know that's not the right spec either but I just tried it) but the HD doesn't spin up at all (it says low battery) and then after a while it gives up and dies. |
| 23:43:53 | preglow | more responsive than i'd thought |
| 23:44:07 | Bagder | then it isn't as fried as it can be |
| 23:44:11 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:44:13 | miner49er | This is what made me think, it may be salvegable |
| 23:44:28 | Bagder | I recall Linus' one having the CPU killed |
| 23:44:36 | miner49er | I wonder if the charging circuit or battery is just knackered? |
| 23:44:45 | lostlogic | I'm pretty sure mine is just the power supply chip, but I'm not able to resolder that if I could even get my hands on a new chip |
| 23:44:50 | lostlogic | miner49er: probably the power supply chip |
| 23:44:51 | amiconn | miner49er: Maybe you just fried the charging circuit |
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| 23:45:04 | preglow | lucky you in that case |
| 23:45:54 | miner49er | amicon: is the circuit a simple one that can be replaced? Or could I bypass the circuit and power the board directly? and then just use it for testing code on? |
| 23:46:36 | miner49er | it would be nice to get something out of it, other than a tiny HD! |
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| 23:46:41 | amiconn | You can't bypass it. Charging LiIon without proper limiting is dangerous |
| 23:46:51 | lostlogic | are there high res pics of the ipod 5g around? |
| 23:47:04 | amiconn | Dangerous as in 'may catch fire or even explode' |
| 23:47:28 | amiconn | miner49er: H120, right? |
| 23:47:38 | miner49er | amiconn: what about supplying voltage to the board directly from a PSU without a battery plugged in? |
| 23:47:40 | amiconn | The charging chip itself is this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/bq24022.pdf |
| 23:47:47 | miner49er | amicon: yeah, that's right |
| 23:49:05 | amiconn | Maybe supplying the power to the board directly will work, if you find the right place to connect it |
| 23:49:17 | preglow | RotAtoR: you here? |
| 23:49:28 | amiconn | It would be a good test whether the rest of the unit still works ok |
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| 23:53:47 | miner49er | amiconn: it's all academic a the moment anyway, because I don't even have the right tool to open the thing up :-) |
| 23:54:17 | lostlogic | found a place to _buy_ wm8758, but still no datasheet. |
| 23:55:43 | b0br | does anybody know about progress on recording in lossy format (mp3 of vorbis)? this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EncoderDiscussionMP3 doesn't sound very optimistic, but this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2321 does.. |
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| 23:56:49 | preglow | the mp3 encoder works pretty well |
| 23:57:11 | b0br | yeah, but i need online.. |
| 23:57:24 | preglow | i actually don't know why it's not commited |
| 23:57:27 | preglow | source is messy |
| 23:57:38 | preglow | and there's always the patent discussion |
| 23:57:49 | b0br | maybe still legal issues? |
| 23:57:59 | preglow | yes |
| 23:58:56 | webguest05 | Isn't that also the case with decoders? |
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