| 00:00:38 | preglow | well, yeah, but no |
| 00:00:53 | preglow | the patent holders have said they'll never go after free decoders |
| 00:01:11 | preglow | encoding is something different again |
| 00:01:28 | lostlogic | wolfson's product numbering sucks. 8753 and 8750 are codecs, as is (it would seem) the 8758, but the 8759 is just a DAC |
| 00:01:38 | webguest05 | That doesn't really matter much though, if you're talking legal matters, does it? |
| 00:01:45 | webguest05 | I mean, they could easily turn around on that issue |
| 00:01:50 | preglow | webguest05: sure |
| 00:01:58 | preglow | webguest05: and we'd have to remove it |
| 00:01:58 | preglow | big deal |
| 00:02:24 | webguest05 | The same could be said for the encoder |
| 00:02:25 | RotAtoR | preglow: i'm here |
| 00:02:35 | preglow | RotAtoR: do you remember if the noise on track change has always been there? |
| 00:03:33 | RotAtoR | i don't recall, it wasn't until the last big speed improvement that I really started using my mpc collection |
| 00:03:59 | RotAtoR | around sept/oct, i think |
| 00:04:29 | preglow | RotAtoR: anyway, you'll be relieved to hear i think the matter has been fixed |
| 00:04:39 | RotAtoR | i don't recall hearing the problem before then, but i doubt i had listened for more than a couple hours of mpc files before then |
| 00:04:44 | preglow | at least i can't provoke it anymore |
| 00:04:52 | RotAtoR | great! |
| 00:05:06 | RotAtoR | just out of curiosity, what was the problem? |
| 00:05:30 | preglow | more or less what it had to be, musepack retained some state across track bounadaries, i don't exactly know what yet |
| 00:05:36 | preglow | i'm doing some tests to find out |
| 00:05:51 | RotAtoR | hmm, ok |
| 00:05:58 | preglow | that, or we might corrupt the filter coefs somewhere |
| 00:06:13 | preglow | anyone know of the x11 sim works these days? |
| 00:06:15 | preglow | with sound |
| 00:06:19 | preglow | of/if |
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| 00:10:37 | lostlogic | shoot, I forgot, ipod doesn't have a linein or mic does it?! |
| 00:11:22 | preglow | correctemondo |
| 00:11:27 | preglow | that is, it depends |
| 00:11:41 | Bagder | it works with sound for me since the day I added it ;-) |
| 00:11:41 | preglow | i think some of them do, but it's via the dock connector |
| 00:11:59 | preglow | Bagder: btw, how do the sims handle recording? |
| 00:12:06 | Bagder | not at all I believe |
| 00:12:17 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 00:13:13 | preglow | Bagder: good, because i don't believe sdl currently supports that |
| 00:13:24 | preglow | Bagder: and on a related note, do you know anything about the sdl sim status? |
| 00:13:48 | Bagder | no |
| 00:13:54 | preglow | RotAtoR: i'm just going to commit this fix and leave the finding out what's wrong for later |
| 00:13:55 | Bagder | it is claimed to work |
| 00:15:06 | preglow | argh, i've been launched into emacs! |
| 00:15:09 | preglow | how do i save then quit? |
| 00:15:26 | preglow | ctrl-x-y-i-er-c-g-meta-alt?Å |
| 00:15:38 | Bagder | ctrl-x ctrl-c |
| 00:16:04 | RotAtoR | preglow: sounds good, i'll be testing as much as i can :D |
| 00:16:05 | Bagder | and no vi user may make fun of silly key combos ;-) |
| 00:16:32 | RotAtoR | will this include the other speed improvements you had waiting to commit? |
| 00:16:50 | preglow | RotAtoR: no, i'm afraid not, those will have to wait |
| 00:17:02 | RotAtoR | ahh, ok, thanks |
| 00:17:10 | preglow | i discovered a few bugs and i don't have time to fix now |
| 00:17:25 | webguest05 | Bagder: what, :write :quit doesn't make sense? ;) |
| 00:17:30 | preglow | plus, i've been pushing the musepack guys to incorporating my changes, it seems i have to nag some more to make them update again |
| 00:17:37 | preglow | webguest05: :wq! |
| 00:17:41 | RotAtoR | hehe |
| 00:17:46 | Bagder | webguest05: if so, then you can do the verbose commands with emacs too |
| 00:17:59 | webguest05 | preglow: Well yes, but that doesn't make sense :) |
| 00:18:07 | preglow | it's not fun if it makes sense |
| 00:18:24 | webguest05 | Agreed. |
| 00:18:27 | preglow | and no, i don't feel i'm contradicting myself here! |
| 00:18:32 | preglow | that's just the kind of guy i am |
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| 00:19:55 | webguest05 | vim doesn't make sense in a much nicer way than emacs |
| 00:20:12 | webguest05 | It's obviously the best. |
| 00:20:54 | preglow | RotAtoR: commited |
| 00:21:06 | * | Bagder used emacs long before vim even existed |
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| 00:22:25 | preglow | which is why you're beyond redemption and need to be put down for your own sake |
| 00:22:51 | preglow | i bet you've even grown used to the voices in your head by now |
| 00:23:26 | Bagder | I've named them! |
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| 00:25:49 | webguest05 | Bagder: you should obviously have been using vi |
| 00:26:17 | Bagder | it didn't have syntax highlighting nor proper indent support |
| 00:26:33 | preglow | vi = shite |
| 00:26:47 | preglow | vim = the shiznit |
| 00:26:52 | Bagder | even emacs 17 had that |
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| 00:27:12 | mirak | hum |
| 00:28:05 | webguest05 | If vi didn't have it, God obviously didn't think you were ready for it. |
| 00:28:16 | Jungti1234 | that's s lamp joke! <- whats meaning? |
| 00:28:29 | preglow | it's an evolutionary, the clever guys sticked to vi |
| 00:28:44 | webguest05 | Or something. My evangelizing is a bit off. |
| 00:28:44 | preglow | and the others now have mad cows disease |
| 00:29:09 | preglow | Jungti1234: no idea |
| 00:29:59 | webguest05 | I think some more context would be helpful. What came before this? |
| 00:32:33 | lostlogic | has anyone done an iAudio vs. iRiver sound quality comparison? |
| 00:34:05 | webguest05 | I remember seeing one once. The iAudio had horrible frequency respons in the lower end if memory serves |
| 00:34:22 | preglow | i think the iaudio has decent sound |
| 00:34:25 | preglow | you should ask linus |
| 00:34:34 | preglow | that is, he too might never have actually listened to music with it, hehe |
| 00:35:17 | lostlogic | hehe, the DAC that it uses claims better SNR and channel sep than iPod or iRiver |
| 00:35:27 | Bagder | the iaudio sounds fine |
| 00:35:44 | Bagder | but I haven't done any comparisons |
| 00:35:46 | lostlogic | Bagder: you have the 20G version? Any idea if the 30G version uses 1 or 2 platter drive? |
| 00:35:52 | preglow | one, afaik |
| 00:36:08 | lostlogic | bah, so much for saving money by reusing my 40G drive. |
| 00:36:11 | webguest05 | Of course, the frequency response thing could be competely a firmware question |
| 00:36:25 | webguest05 | Or a figment of my imagination. |
| 00:37:32 | preglow | i can't imagine why the firmware would roll off the lower freqs |
| 00:37:37 | Moos | lostlogic: there is the 60 go one ;) |
| 00:37:53 | preglow | lostlogic: the iaudio might be more roomy |
| 00:37:54 | webguest05 | preglow: stranger things have happened |
| 00:38:39 | lostlogic | preglow: it is, but it's also coldfire based which I've learned to program, and supports recording which the iPod does not. |
| 00:38:46 | webguest05 | There it is: http://www.geocities.com/wriedt_s/Comparison.htm |
| 00:39:12 | Moos | are they the Ipods have in/out line? |
| 00:40:32 | preglow | lostlogic: i know which one i'd have chosen |
| 00:40:35 | lostlogic | Moos: they have no linein |
| 00:40:39 | preglow | for a primary player, that is |
| 00:40:43 | lostlogic | preglow: iPod 5G? |
| 00:40:46 | preglow | iaudio |
| 00:40:53 | Moos | lostlogic: and usb host? |
| 00:41:02 | lostlogic | Moos: nope |
| 00:41:11 | lostlogic | preglow: hmph what is your current primary player? |
| 00:41:32 | lostlogic | that BIG drop in frequency response on the iAudio in that comparison is _weird_ |
| 00:41:44 | markun | preglow: the wolfson codec in the gigabeat sounds pretty good btw |
| 00:41:58 | preglow | lostlogic: h120 |
| 00:42:05 | preglow | which would be my first choice, still |
| 00:42:07 | preglow | i love it |
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| 00:42:24 | lostlogic | yeah, H340 would still be my first choice, but getting another H340 international is looking pretty hard. |
| 00:42:26 | preglow | markun: which is it? |
| 00:42:39 | markun | Wolfson WM8751L |
| 00:42:59 | webguest05 | lostlogic: Very weird. I'm wondering what could possibly cause it. |
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| 00:44:09 | preglow | markun: 8758 in the 5g |
| 00:44:24 | preglow | but then again, their model numbers aren't very indicative |
| 00:44:44 | preglow | probably a direct result of their policy to only name devices when sloshed |
| 00:44:58 | webguest05 | lostlogic: I'm thinking he may have some sort of equalizer enabled, but then, if you're going to do a rmaa test you should know not to do that |
| 00:45:27 | lostlogic | lol |
| 00:45:46 | webguest05 | It really is quite strange |
| 00:46:36 | preglow | webguest05: got an url? |
| 00:47:11 | lostlogic | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1833887,00.asp this review compliments it's bass response. |
| 00:47:19 | webguest05 | http://www.geocities.com/wriedt_s/Comparison.htm < iRiver H340 vs Archos AV380 vs iAudio X5L |
| 00:47:35 | webguest05 | It looks completely broken |
| 00:47:47 | lostlogic | although they do point out a roll off below 80hz as well |
| 00:48:17 | thegeek | Hehe, this is completely off-topic and does not belong in this channel, however, since lots of you guys tend to know quite a bit about this stuff : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85573 |
| 00:48:59 | Moos | lostlogic: the nicknames of X5s is Ipod killers ;) |
| 00:49:05 | preglow | wha... |
| 00:49:07 | DreamTactix291 | i like the X5's design |
| 00:49:12 | preglow | that doesn't exactly make the x5 look good |
| 00:49:31 | preglow | this can't be right |
| 00:49:37 | webguest05 | "Dell DJ Ditty" ... that has got to be the worst name ever. |
| 00:49:42 | Moos | that depend surely of taste of anyone |
| 00:50:03 | mirak | http://pastebin.com/495672 there is a memcpy who is hidden in that .c file, I need to know where it is. The error is at the end of the file |
| 00:50:09 | preglow | the harmonic distortion levels are horrible |
| 00:50:50 | Moos | preglow: did you tried X5? |
| 00:51:07 | mirak | help needed |
| 00:51:13 | mirak | ^^ |
| 00:51:36 | webguest05 | Someone with an X5 and hxx0 should do another rmaa test |
| 00:51:47 | webguest05 | It does seem a bit too wrong |
| 00:52:13 | Moos | but pretty sure here the iaudio fw sucks too(like all one compare to Rockbox) |
| 00:52:44 | preglow | well, like i said, they'd have to be severely drunk if that's a software bug |
| 00:53:12 | webguest05 | Could be to make people turn on the trubass thing |
| 00:53:25 | mirak | preglow: help ... |
| 00:53:26 | mirak | :) |
| 00:53:32 | Moos | preglow:let's LinusN working on the low levels things and see |
| 00:54:03 | lostlogic | preglow: alcohol causes a lot of engineering faults eh? |
| 00:54:38 | Moos | alcohol and some things just oxygen it seem ;-) |
| 00:54:55 | preglow | mirak: can't help right now |
| 00:54:58 | preglow | lostlogic: apparently |
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| 00:55:41 | NicoFR | hi preglow |
| 00:55:54 | NicoFR | just read almost everything since I left a few hours ago |
| 00:55:58 | lokki | preglow: i spent the day by hacking rockbox code... |
| 00:56:07 | preglow | lokki: sounds wonderful |
| 00:56:18 | NicoFR | and so I find that the MPC bug is fixed |
| 00:56:19 | preglow | i'm halfway throug a musepack album now |
| 00:56:20 | preglow | no noise yet |
| 00:56:37 | NicoFR | I will try right now |
| 00:56:38 | lokki | i managed to get the recording screen and the peakmeter on the remote |
| 00:56:39 | Moos | hooray! |
| 00:57:35 | lokki | but i did it with a lot of #ifdefs...guess that's not the way to go |
| 00:58:41 | preglow | the fewer ifdefs, the better |
| 00:58:56 | lokki | why is that? |
| 00:59:00 | lokki | readability? |
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| 01:00:52 | NicoFR | lostlogic: there are some H340s on ebay |
| 01:01:00 | NicoFR | new one i mean |
| 01:01:47 | lostlogic | NicoFR: only found one international edition, in AUS, wants payment by wire or COD :( |
| 01:01:55 | lostlogic | (one international with a decent price) |
| 01:02:15 | preglow | why's it so important being international? |
| 01:02:23 | NicoFR | a friend of mine bought that one recently |
| 01:02:36 | lokki | usbotg i think |
| 01:02:47 | lostlogic | right. |
| 01:02:53 | NicoFR | well the US H300 is moddable |
| 01:03:03 | lostlogic | yeah, looks like it just takes one wire |
| 01:03:15 | lostlogic | and I already have the international excessories (dock, etc) |
| 01:03:32 | NicoFR | aren't they the same ? |
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| 01:04:47 | NicoFR | lostlogic: what do you mean by 'payment by wire' ? |
| 01:04:56 | thegeek | bank transfer |
| 01:05:11 | thegeek | afaik |
| 01:05:16 | lokki | preglow: so should i try to copy all parts of the code that i need ifdefed and then make one "big" ifdef? |
| 01:05:21 | NicoFR | that's what i presumed |
| 01:05:38 | NicoFR | but so then lostlogic, what would you have preferred ? |
| 01:06:01 | preglow | lokki: copying code = bad |
| 01:06:27 | preglow | i was more thinking of finding other ways of doing it that doesn't need that many ifdefs |
| 01:06:34 | preglow | anyway, just toss a patch up somewhere and see what people say |
| 01:06:38 | lokki | ah ok |
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| 01:09:54 | lokki | but i didn't program anything i just extended the current file with some #ifdefs... i feel so guilty :-) so i think a patch is not a good idea |
| 01:10:17 | NicoFR | preglow: I'm not noticing any noise on mpc tracks that used to have one |
| 01:10:38 | NicoFR | so congratulations :) |
| 01:11:18 | preglow | lokki: well, the smaller the patch, the better! |
| 01:11:42 | lokki | ok maybe i'll give it a try |
| 01:11:53 | preglow | NicoFR: works fine here as well |
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| 01:12:23 | lokki | do you guys encode all your files with mpc ? |
| 01:12:33 | preglow | nah |
| 01:12:49 | preglow | i like mpc, but you can't seek properly with it, so i don't use it much yet |
| 01:12:49 | Moos | lot of MPCs here, then thanks to preglow :P |
| 01:12:51 | NicoFR | I don't... I just happen to have an album in MPC format and I noticed the byg |
| 01:12:57 | mirak | can memcpy(&mpeg2_mc,&mpeg2_mc_c,sizeof(mpeg2_mc_t)); replace mpeg2_mc = mpeg2_mc_c; with mpeg2_mc_t the type ? |
| 01:12:59 | preglow | i stick to vorbis |
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| 01:13:22 | mirak | mpeg2_mc_t is a struct |
| 01:13:26 | preglow | mirak: yeah |
| 01:13:40 | NicoFR | btw preglow, I saw seeking was disabled because too slow... |
| 01:13:43 | mirak | preglow: this is where the memcpy was hidden |
| 01:13:46 | preglow | NicoFR: correct |
| 01:13:51 | NicoFR | any chance for it beeing quicker on day ? |
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| 01:13:52 | preglow | mirak: and no surprise |
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| 01:14:02 | preglow | NicoFR: that depends entirely on the musepack people |
| 01:14:02 | NicoFR | one day |
| 01:14:09 | mirak | preglow: I had that error on xvid too |
| 01:14:22 | preglow | NicoFR: for the current musepack format the chances are very small, they'll have to make a new stream format |
| 01:14:36 | preglow | NicoFR: there exists a quick seeking hack, but that sometimes just makes noise, so i'm not willing to include it |
| 01:14:47 | NicoFR | ok |
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| 01:16:01 | lokki | ups...the peakmeter is too big for the remote... |
| 01:16:18 | lokki | i only see part of it |
| 01:16:47 | NicoFR | so if i understand correctly, no chance of getting seeking on current MPC files, even if the decoder were optimized a little more ? |
| 01:16:58 | NicoFR | what is needed is a new file format ? |
| 01:19:30 | preglow | NicoFR: yes |
| 01:20:13 | NicoFR | hmm... i'm glad i stayed with ogg |
| 01:20:40 | NicoFR | my friend who recently bought an h340 has a lot of MPC encoded albums |
| 01:20:41 | preglow | the musepack bitstream format itself is flawed, so you can't seek properly |
| 01:21:50 | NicoFR | and is the codec still evolving ? |
| 01:21:58 | preglow | weeeell |
| 01:22:02 | preglow | they lack coders |
| 01:27:18 | NicoFR | so still some hope left then :) |
| 01:28:52 | NicoFR | btw on the iriver rockbox vs stock feature comparison table, it says 'Gapless Music Playback : Yes (LAME MP3 & OGG)' |
| 01:29:02 | NicoFR | the '(LAME MP3 & OGG)' seems a bit strange to me |
| 01:29:30 | webguest05 | Which extension is expected for AAC? (I know it doesn't run realtime) |
| 01:29:35 | markun | NicoFR: because there is no flac, wavpack, wav etc? |
| 01:29:40 | NicoFR | are there any formats besides non-LAME MP3 that are non gapless in rockbox ? |
| 01:29:43 | NicoFR | yes |
| 01:30:00 | webguest05 | aac probably isn't |
| 01:30:05 | webguest05 | Other than not running realtime |
| 01:31:07 | Jungti1234 | 9:30! |
| 01:31:57 | Moos | 1:31! :) |
| 01:32:02 | Moos | am |
| 01:32:16 | NicoFR | webguest05: at one point AAC files need "*.mp4" |
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| 01:32:48 | NicoFR | needed* |
| 01:33:08 | DreamTactix291 | AAC isn't gapless by nature and only one encoder adds any form of gapless info |
| 01:33:10 | NicoFR | but it seems to have been solved |
| 01:34:39 | preglow | aac isn't, ac3 probably isn't |
| 01:35:14 | NicoFR | but FLAC, WV ad MPC definitly are ? |
| 01:35:25 | preglow | yes |
| 01:35:32 | NicoFR | ok |
| 01:36:44 | webguest05 | NicoFR: what does it need now? |
| 01:37:06 | NicoFR | i think it can also use m4a |
| 01:37:45 | NicoFR | there used to be a problem because m4a is shared between ALAC and AAC but it has been solved |
| 01:39:17 | webguest05 | so both use m4a? |
| 01:39:37 | webguest05 | Trying to play an aac file with .m4a extension just shows "loading..." for a while, then nothing |
| 01:39:59 | NicoFR | and if you use mp4 ? |
| 01:40:02 | markun | I've also seen .wav files with mp3 data in them |
| 01:40:03 | webguest05 | That is, it just returns to the dirbrowser |
| 01:40:43 | webguest05 | NicoFR: "loading..." for a split-second, then returns to dirbrowser |
| 01:41:31 | NicoFR | well i think you have to wait till AAC plays realtime ;-) |
| 01:42:37 | webguest05 | Alac plays nicely though, with m4a extension |
| 01:43:31 | preglow | btw |
| 01:43:39 | preglow | some aac files just don't work |
| 01:43:45 | preglow | the aac codec has not seen much work yet |
| 01:45:01 | DreamTactix291 | Musepack is gapless |
| 01:45:05 | DreamTactix291 | and all lossless codecs are by nature |
| 01:45:21 | DreamTactix291 | MP3 isn't natively but the LAME way of tagging it is pretty widespread now |
| 01:45:22 | webguest05 | Ah, istr this one working at some point, but oh well |
| 01:45:41 | DreamTactix291 | Nero adds gapless information into the MP4 container for the AAC files it produces |
| 01:46:20 | lostlogic | I should sell my 40G drive and battery and LCD from this thing |
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| 01:46:35 | DreamTactix291 | lostlogic: did your H340 die? |
| 01:46:36 | preglow | yup |
| 01:46:43 | lostlogic | DreamTactix291: I murdered it. |
| 01:46:47 | DreamTactix291 | doing? |
| 01:47:04 | lostlogic | futzing with a cheap power supply and the PCF50606 control registers. |
| 01:47:09 | NicoFR | lostlogic: about ebay H340s... how do you want to be able to pay ? |
| 01:47:10 | DreamTactix291 | ouch |
| 01:47:24 | DreamTactix291 | i'm hoping not to kill my H140 |
| 01:47:49 | lostlogic | NicoFR: dunno, a replacement at 250 would be nice, but I doubt that'll happen |
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| 01:51:16 | preglow | grah, i need to sleep soon |
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| 02:01:58 | RotAtoR | preglow: no more buzzing with musepack on all the tracks i've tested, unfortunately now there is a small popping sound between each track :( |
| 02:02:23 | preglow | wha? |
| 02:02:27 | preglow | arghhh |
| 02:02:35 | RotAtoR | yup, on every track change |
| 02:02:42 | preglow | i didn't notice that |
| 02:02:50 | NicoFR | i didn't either |
| 02:03:00 | preglow | and the album i listened to needed gapless |
| 02:03:13 | RotAtoR | i can clearly hear them with my shure e3s, they're very sensitive headphones |
| 02:03:26 | preglow | i'll try with these beyerdynamics |
| 02:03:45 | RotAtoR | and the pops definitely weren't there before today's patch |
| 02:04:48 | RotAtoR | but at least there's no more buzzing! :D |
| 02:06:11 | preglow | gimme five more minutes and i'll verify if there's any pops here |
| 02:06:12 | preglow | but hell |
| 02:06:17 | preglow | i can't imagine what's up |
| 02:06:37 | RotAtoR | ok, i'll keep testing more as well |
| 02:07:15 | Jungti1234 | preglow, don't you sleep? :) |
| 02:07:38 | preglow | Jungti1234: i'm about to, don't worry |
| 02:07:48 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 02:09:34 | NicoFR | I can't hear that pop noise |
| 02:10:46 | preglow | i heard a tiny pop, i think |
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| 02:11:19 | RotAtoR | hmm, tried it on another album and no popping here |
| 02:11:20 | preglow | i'll try another track |
| 02:11:52 | RotAtoR | but it's definitely there now on other albums |
| 02:12:22 | preglow | it's damn hard to hear |
| 02:12:27 | preglow | but i THINK i catch something |
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| 02:13:53 | preglow | oh, it's there alright |
| 02:14:10 | preglow | oh well |
| 02:14:18 | preglow | right now i'm yawning every other second |
| 02:14:26 | preglow | i'll see if i can look at it tomorrow |
| 02:14:53 | RotAtoR | goodnight! |
| 02:14:57 | preglow | gnight |
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| 02:16:53 | NicoFR | good night |
| 02:16:59 | NicoFR | going to bed too actually |
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| 11:06:08 | amiconn | w0w! |
| 11:08:51 | Lear | ? |
| 11:09:13 | Lear | preglow: did you write the mp4 metadata parser? |
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| 11:12:22 | amiconn | I just changed the plugin/codec linker script to not include the .bss section in the binary |
| 11:12:43 | amiconn | (both plugin & codec loader make sure the section is zeroed, so no other changed is needed for that) |
| 11:12:57 | amiconn | The size difference is *huge* for some codecs and plugins... |
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| 11:13:35 | Lear | Like faad by any chance? |
| 11:13:42 | amiconn | I'll do the same for .ibss next, but that requires some changes |
| 11:13:44 | amiconn | Yes |
| 11:13:58 | amiconn | aac.codec is 295KB now |
| 11:14:09 | amiconn | Of course the RAM requirement doesn't decrease |
| 11:14:20 | Lear | Wow, that's a 25% reduction, or something like that? |
| 11:14:30 | amiconn | ...but making the files smaller has advantages, as they need to be buffered |
| 11:15:00 | amiconn | Was 421KB before, so 30% reduction |
| 11:15:39 | amiconn | rockboy.rock: ~400KB -> 77KB |
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| 11:29:12 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 11:40:45 | markun | good morning mirak :) |
| 11:40:59 | mirak | hello |
| 11:42:00 | markun | Some fps tests today? |
| 11:49:41 | readingfanman | how can i get scratches out of my iriver? i have heard brasso is good |
| 11:50:38 | markun | readingfanman: I really don't know |
| 11:51:27 | markun | Maybe ask in MR |
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| 13:21:30 | t0mas | does rockbox play AAC atm? |
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| 13:24:44 | Lear | yes, but slowly... |
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| 13:48:05 | lokki | amiconn, are you there? |
| 13:48:34 | lokki | preglow? |
| 13:49:32 | lokki | preglow: awake? |
| 13:50:05 | lokki | i have a question concerning plugin.h |
| 13:50:48 | lokki | why is screen_access.h not included? |
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| 13:51:09 | lokki | instead there is lcd.h and lcd_remote.h |
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| 13:52:12 | lokki | hi petur |
| 13:52:16 | petur | hi |
| 13:52:28 | lokki | do you have an answer to my question |
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| 13:52:39 | petur | shoot |
| 13:52:58 | lokki | why is screen_access.h not included in plugin.h |
| 13:53:09 | lokki | instead there is lcd.h and lcd_remote.h |
| 13:53:23 | petur | no idea |
| 13:53:54 | petur | aren't you supposed to access everything through the plugin api? |
| 13:54:13 | lokki | ? |
| 13:54:48 | lokki | if i want to display something on the remote how would i do it without screen_access? and without a lot of #ifdefs |
| 13:55:06 | petur | in a plugin? |
| 13:55:11 | lokki | yes |
| 13:55:37 | petur | sorry, I'm not (yet) an RB guru ;) |
| 13:55:47 | lokki | no problem |
| 13:58:36 | lokki | now i see what you mean... |
| 13:58:49 | lokki | by plugin api |
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| 13:59:27 | lokki | it's my first try on a plugin |
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| 13:59:41 | t0mas | :D |
| 13:59:50 | t0mas | my new iptables rule makes connecting to FreeNode way faster... |
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| 14:00:00 | darkless | what did you change? |
| 14:00:15 | t0mas | well.. I just DROP all traffic that's unsollicitated |
| 14:00:29 | t0mas | but that also drops tcp port 113 (ident) which makes connecting to freenode slow... |
| 14:00:42 | t0mas | you have to wait like 30 seconds for a timeout before it continues |
| 14:01:18 | darkless | ah yes, the ident port needs to be reset, not dropped. It improves POP3 as well, since it uses the ident service as well |
| 14:01:25 | t0mas | yes |
| 14:01:30 | t0mas | so I added a rule using the recent module |
| 14:01:51 | t0mas | if I connect to tcp port 25, 110 or 6667 on some server, it puts that server in a 'recent' list |
| 14:01:56 | t0mas | (you know that module?) |
| 14:02:02 | darkless | hardcoding iptables rules, or using a frontend of some sorts like eg. shorewall |
| 14:02:03 | darkless | ? |
| 14:02:13 | t0mas | and it rejects tcp port 113 for 60 seconds instead of dropping it |
| 14:02:20 | t0mas | hardcoding... |
| 14:02:25 | darkless | same here |
| 14:02:26 | t0mas | wrote my own scripts a long time ago... |
| 14:02:33 | t0mas | I don't like shorewall etc... |
| 14:02:44 | t0mas | cuz I don't know exactly what it's doing... |
| 14:02:49 | darkless | I haven't experimented much with the various modules, basic functionality works for me |
| 14:03:07 | t0mas | well the recent module rocks... |
| 14:03:27 | darkless | I use QoS and stateful packet inspection, but that's about it for me |
| 14:03:28 | t0mas | you can also check if people reached the end of the INPUT chain more than 5 times in 10 seconds for example... |
| 14:03:35 | t0mas | and then drop all their traffic for 30 secs. |
| 14:03:43 | t0mas | (that makes portscans quite slow) |
| 14:03:49 | darkless | heh, good one |
| 14:04:11 | t0mas | I'm still looking for a smart logparsing script or something... |
| 14:04:16 | t0mas | just to get people out of my SSH |
| 14:04:31 | t0mas | It logs about 500 login attempts / day |
| 14:04:58 | t0mas | and I use this script not only on my two personal servers... I also use it at some test boxes I administer at work |
| 14:05:02 | darkless | why not "cat logfile | grep -v ssh" or something like that? |
| 14:05:06 | _FireFly_ | t0mas: simply change the port on which sshd listen ;) |
| 14:05:14 | darkless | _FireFly_: heh |
| 14:05:15 | t0mas | _FireFly_: I can do that at home... |
| 14:05:20 | t0mas | but not with the work servers |
| 14:05:26 | _FireFly_ | t0mas: why not |
| 14:05:31 | t0mas | other use that too... and they hardly know what SSH is ;) |
| 14:05:35 | t0mas | *others |
| 14:06:02 | _FireFly_ | the say that they should specifiy a other port in there ssh-client config ;) |
| 14:06:13 | _FireFly_ | then say to them i mean |
| 14:06:27 | t0mas | well... there is a perl script |
| 14:06:40 | t0mas | checking logs... and blocking ip's after 3 failed root logins attempts |
| 14:06:49 | t0mas | that would work great too :) |
| 14:06:55 | t0mas | but I still haven't installed it |
| 14:08:06 | t0mas | ah |
| 14:08:12 | t0mas | bingo.... here's the link: http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~greg/sshdfilter/ |
| 14:08:36 | t0mas | have to test it on some server first... but it might save me from a lot of long logcheck emails :) |
| 14:10:11 | NicoFR | wow just realized I could read AAC on my H300 :-o |
| 14:10:20 | petur | can I bother anybody to give an opinion about the iRiver recording screen? |
| 14:10:26 | _FireFly_ | NicoFR: but it isn't yet realtime |
| 14:10:33 | NicoFR | yes... I thought it would just not work |
| 14:10:44 | NicoFR | but it does |
| 14:10:48 | t0mas | but it is playing them? |
| 14:10:51 | NicoFR | yes |
| 14:10:59 | NicoFR | a 870 KBit/s podcast |
| 14:11:07 | NicoFR | 80 KBit/s sorry |
| 14:11:13 | t0mas | :D |
| 14:11:18 | t0mas | I would love to have it for some podcasts |
| 14:11:39 | NicoFR | but what does "not realtime" imply exactly ? |
| 14:11:47 | _FireFly_ | NicoFR: skipping |
| 14:12:00 | NicoFR | ok that's what I thought |
| 14:12:04 | NicoFR | but no skipping here |
| 14:12:06 | NicoFR | :D |
| 14:12:12 | _FireFly_ | because the buffer isn't filled fast enought from the decoder |
| 14:13:14 | lokki | petur: i enabled it on the remote |
| 14:13:51 | lokki | petur: i like it |
| 14:13:58 | petur | I'm adding decimator gain to the recording screen for otf changing, but the code is messy |
| 14:14:16 | petur | because the offsets differ between int mic and line in |
| 14:14:32 | petur | line offsets when changing stuff that is |
| 14:14:37 | lokki | do we really need more otf changing |
| 14:14:41 | lokki | ? |
| 14:14:45 | petur | so break; |
| 14:14:45 | petur | yes |
| 14:15:01 | petur | weird irc client |
| 14:15:08 | lokki | yes |
| 14:15:37 | lokki | the info won't fit on the remote... |
| 14:15:53 | petur | when recording, I want to be able to change both analog gain and decimator |
| 14:16:02 | lokki | you are via the menu |
| 14:16:05 | petur | maybe get rid of the balance ? |
| 14:16:29 | petur | hmmm - while I see the peakmeters... |
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| 14:17:03 | lokki | balcance and peakmeter = good for me |
| 14:17:57 | Lear | argh, is there no good documentation over the contents of an mp4 file? I've found some that only covers some parts, not the really interesting bits... |
| 14:18:16 | lokki | lear: aac is not opensource |
| 14:18:34 | Lear | no, but there should be a spec somewhere, I'd gather... |
| 14:19:02 | NicoFR | does anyone know about docs for m4b file format ? |
| 14:19:09 | NicoFR | (m4a with bookmarks) |
| 14:19:29 | NicoFR | it would be really nice to get that in rockbox |
| 14:19:33 | NicoFR | for podcasts... |
| 14:19:50 | lokki | petur: i'm trying to add peakmeter support for the remote |
| 14:20:13 | lokki | it displays the peakmeter, but it's still to big for the screen |
| 14:20:29 | lokki | too |
| 14:20:33 | petur | I saw that - good thing (even if I don't have/use a remote) |
| 14:21:02 | lokki | it's good for recording live shows that you shouldn't record :-) |
| 14:21:41 | petur | I noticed most people mistake my H340 for a phone, so I don't have a problem there |
| 14:21:53 | petur | just pretend I'm checking my phone ;) |
| 14:22:09 | lokki | yeah, but you still need a good microphone... |
| 14:22:14 | lokki | on a phone? |
| 14:22:32 | lokki | :-) |
| 14:22:50 | petur | hard to see the black rwire when it's dark... |
| 14:22:59 | petur | *wire |
| 14:23:13 | lokki | ok |
| 14:24:57 | petur | the recording screen could use some general setting handler like the settings menu has... this is just a mess atm :( |
| 14:27:06 | lokki | i didn't have a close look at the code... just changed the lcd_* parts |
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| 14:34:30 | NicoFR | now m4a files refuse to load :( |
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| 15:24:31 | markun | Does anyone know the framerate of the H300 LCD? |
| 15:30:15 | preglow | Lear: linuxstb did that |
| 15:31:00 | dkflrkeh | 10frame |
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| 15:31:09 | dkflrkeh | 10 frame... |
| 15:31:09 | Lear | Ah, was wondering if he had any documentation and stuff... |
| 15:31:09 | markun | preglow: pre-indexed addressing on the ARM doesn't change the base operand, does it? |
| 15:32:38 | markun | dkflrkeh: Is that the actual framerate of the LCD or are you talking about xvid decoding in the iriver firmware? |
| 15:32:48 | preglow | markun: depends if you want it to or not |
| 15:34:09 | markun | preglow: how can you tell the difference? MOV R0, [R1, #1] would not change R1 right? |
| 15:34:45 | preglow | correct |
| 15:34:50 | preglow | stuff a ! after it, and it will |
| 15:34:56 | preglow | post indexing always updates |
| 15:35:04 | markun | ok, thanks |
| 15:35:28 | markun | post indexing without updating is pretty useless :) |
| 15:35:51 | preglow | pretty much |
| 15:36:02 | eli_sherer | ipod video did wonders with their lcd screen it is super fast.. |
| 15:36:41 | markun | When my calculations are correct the framerate of the Gigabeat LCD is 25 |
| 15:37:26 | markun | And toshiba uses RGB 5:5:5:1. Don't know if RBG 5:6:5 looks better. |
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| 15:41:30 | preglow | what do you base those calculations on? |
| 15:41:37 | Febs | I've just finished updating the iAmp theme to work on the H300: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=369219&postcount=23 |
| 15:42:02 | Febs | If anyone notices any bugs or problems, let me know so that I can fix them before I upload the theme to the patch tracker. |
| 15:43:09 | markun | preglow: The LCD init in the origial firmware |
| 15:43:20 | markun | And the datasheet |
| 15:44:13 | markun | Well, the datasheet of the S3C2440, not the LCD.. |
| 15:49:17 | petur | Febs: there's a thumbs.bd file in the bitmap dir ;) |
| 15:51:07 | petur | also, it says 'track #xx from the LP' where I'd rather say CD of albumb :D |
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| 15:52:33 | lostlogic | does iPod have USB host controller / have it electrically connected to anything? |
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| 15:53:36 | preglow | i think the newer ones do |
| 15:53:37 | lostlogic | nvm, it does. |
| 15:53:38 | preglow | from photo and up |
| 15:54:16 | lostlogic | the PP5022 shows it as being a single electrical connection for both host and device so that should mean it's wired. |
| 15:54:51 | preglow | shrug |
| 15:55:00 | preglow | the one thing i do know is that it's software based :/ |
| 15:55:36 | lostlogic | gah, right when I think that I'm going to shell out for the iPod's pretty screen you throw a wrench at me :-P |
| 15:56:59 | preglow | that is a wrench indeed |
| 15:57:06 | preglow | the ipl people haven't figured it out yet either |
| 15:57:14 | markun | lostlogic: just buy a gigabeat and help me out :) |
| 15:57:19 | preglow | currently they just boot to disk mode when you insert usb |
| 15:57:30 | preglow | cool, bryant fixed my bug for me :P |
| 15:57:51 | lostlogic | markun: what would make me choose gigabeat over iAudio X5L 30G? |
| 15:58:19 | markun | The LCD screen maybe, but I don't know if you care about that |
| 15:58:34 | preglow | you also don't yet know how easy the port will be |
| 15:58:47 | preglow | which should be resolved before he buys it for his primary player, heh |
| 15:58:56 | lostlogic | markun: does it play ogg out of the box? |
| 15:59:04 | markun | preglow: well, at least we have all the datasheets |
| 15:59:39 | markun | lostlogic: no, it has quite a bad firmware. That's why it needs a rb port :) |
| 15:59:54 | markun | mp3, wma and wav |
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| 16:00:17 | preglow | markun: all of them? |
| 16:00:45 | markun | preglow: only the LCD is missing, but we have all the info from the original firmware |
| 16:00:51 | preglow | then i guess you cleared that up right now |
| 16:01:14 | markun | Do you want to see my disassembled firmware so far? |
| 16:01:52 | preglow | not really, i'm trying to stay off rockbox today :> |
| 16:01:55 | preglow | perhaps some other time |
| 16:02:05 | preglow | i've got some other work that desperately needs doing |
| 16:02:09 | lostlogic | markun: link me to specs of the gigabeat |
| 16:02:47 | markun | lostlogic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo |
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| 16:04:16 | lostlogic | the stock firmware is linux based!? |
| 16:04:44 | preglow | aye |
| 16:04:45 | markun | Toshiba didn't bother adding a video player, they just released a new Gigabeat (with different hardware and running windows) to do that |
| 16:04:59 | markun | lostlogic: yes, does that matter? |
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| 16:07:14 | markun | one problem with the gigabeat is that we still don't know to which pins all the components are connected |
| 16:07:38 | markun | but we can probably derive that from the init routines in the original bootloader |
| 16:07:53 | lostlogic | markun: if the stock firmware is linux based, it probably makes extracting information about it's functionality easier, and may even allow us to use the GPL to get more info out of toshiba |
| 16:08:24 | preglow | lostlogic: that's what he's done |
| 16:08:34 | preglow | but toshiba are being prohibitively slow about it |
| 16:08:45 | preglow | i still believe we should tell the fsf about this |
| 16:08:45 | markun | lostlogic: I've mailed toshiba a month ago if I can get the source code. Last week they emailed me that they would ship it |
| 16:09:20 | preglow | that is, shipping the source code is probably sufficient for the gpl anyway |
| 16:09:23 | lostlogic | I wouldn't sick FSF on them if they are being honest about shipping it. |
| 16:09:49 | preglow | but they're bloody using ages |
| 16:09:58 | preglow | how hard is it to send someone some source code? |
| 16:10:05 | preglow | answer: it isn't |
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| 16:10:58 | markun | Well, the email is answered by a seperate helpdesk I think. They sayd something like "we will send your request to Toshiba and keep you updated" |
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| 16:11:58 | lostlogic | markun: does it have a line-in? |
| 16:12:11 | markun | lostlogic: no, unfortunately |
| 16:12:37 | markun | Maybe the line in is available on 1 of the pins of the dock connector |
| 16:12:57 | lostlogic | :( I really wish the X5L's LCD didn't suck so much, other than that, it's the perfect player for me. |
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| 16:15:57 | preglow | how does it suck? |
| 16:16:10 | lostlogic | 160x128 |
| 16:17:03 | markun | not that bad. My H120 is quite usable with that resolution. |
| 16:17:19 | preglow | it don't think that sounds too bad |
| 16:17:23 | preglow | but yeah, that's me |
| 16:18:00 | lostlogic | am used to the 220xwhatevre of the H340 though, would hate to downgrade LCDs |
| 16:18:35 | markun | lostlogic: just buy a gigabeat and do a line-in mod. You only need 2 caps and some wires for it :) |
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| 16:19:34 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 16:20:00 | markun | And a very steady hand to solder the wires to the pins of the codec |
| 16:20:40 | lostlogic | ok, I'm tempted by the gigabeat on accoutn of it's relative cheapness.. $200 for a 40G vs. $300 for a 30G X5L |
| 16:21:00 | NicoFR | an th screen.... |
| 16:21:07 | markun | lostlogic: do you have windows on some computer? |
| 16:21:24 | lostlogic | markun: just my work laptop |
| 16:21:58 | lostlogic | toshiba has a nice trick there selling their player at barely over what other manufacturers can buy the _hard disks_ for... |
| 16:22:07 | markun | Because although the gigabeat connects as a mass storage device, you still need a windows program to transfer files to it |
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| 16:22:26 | markun | because it only plays encrypted files |
| 16:22:41 | dwihno | so silly |
| 16:22:46 | lostlogic | well a gigabeat would be a brick for me until rockbox works on it any way, because I have 99% ogg/vorbis music |
| 16:22:48 | markun | But rb will fix that of course |
| 16:23:02 | markun | I also have 100% ogg/vorbis |
| 16:23:19 | petur | ? <markun> mp3, wma and wav |
| 16:23:35 | preglow | ......... |
| 16:23:50 | markun | petur: so you see I'm motivated to port rb :) |
| 16:24:09 | preglow | what the hell is up with only playing encryptet files? |
| 16:24:13 | preglow | are they retarded, or what? |
| 16:24:23 | petur | if it's UMS and plays mp3, what's the problem? |
| 16:24:32 | preglow | my theory of whisky consumption springs back to life |
| 16:24:42 | markun | probably. And if you copy the encrypted files to your friends gigabeat.. it will also not be able to play them :) |
| 16:25:02 | lostlogic | markun: how's the battery life? |
| 16:25:23 | markun | I've not used it a lot, so I can't say for sure |
| 16:25:36 | markun | Maybe I can find some reports from real users |
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| 16:28:05 | petur | bbl |
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| 16:28:39 | markun | lostlogic: "The most ive got out of my F20 is 17hr's and 30 min" |
| 16:29:02 | markun | From TheFame (very regular poster) in mygigabeat.com |
| 16:29:13 | lostlogic | nice |
| 16:29:34 | markun | But with the default settings it will only last between 8-10 hours |
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| 16:30:06 | markun | It keeps the LCD backlight on all the time (switches to a lower brightness after 20 seconds) |
| 16:30:23 | markun | but you can change it to just go off after 5 or 10 seconds |
| 16:30:51 | lostlogic | wow, they are really confident in their battery to do that. |
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| 16:31:55 | lostlogic | I'm starting to lean back toward another H340 −− good screen, I have a 2200mAh battery for it, rockbox works, and I'm used to the controls |
| 16:32:00 | lostlogic | man, choosing a replacement DAP is hard work. |
| 16:38:29 | markun | lostlogic: it's not hard, you only have to listen to me :) |
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| 16:42:11 | lostlogic | markun: pusher. |
| 16:42:45 | markun | Would just be nice to have someone else working on it who knows something about rb |
| 16:42:52 | NicoFR | i think you should go for an H340 ;-) |
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| 16:43:18 | markun | Most of the gb owners know nothing about programming |
| 16:43:45 | lostlogic | I know nothing about programming **shiftyeyes** well nothing about ARM any way. |
| 16:44:06 | preglow | you pick it up quickly |
| 16:44:10 | preglow | i didn't know shit either |
| 16:44:16 | markun | me neither |
| 16:44:35 | dkflrkeh | ipod photo style Is the reappearance possible? |
| 16:44:54 | lostlogic | ARM is 2 address? ciscy or riscy? |
| 16:45:06 | preglow | cisc |
| 16:45:09 | preglow | ehh |
| 16:45:10 | preglow | risc |
| 16:45:11 | preglow | risc |
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| 16:45:12 | preglow | :-) |
| 16:45:46 | markun | lostlogic: what is 2 address? |
| 16:46:21 | lostlogic | operation dst,src -> dst (or src,dst -> dst) |
| 16:46:43 | lostlogic | m68k is 2 address, mips is operation src1,src2 -> dst (3 address) |
| 16:46:52 | markun | arm is 3 address |
| 16:47:05 | preglow | add r1, r2, r3 -> r1 = r2 + r3 |
| 16:47:16 | preglow | most of the instructions are in that form |
| 16:47:31 | lostlogic | I knew mips once, and that is like mips then, (both are riscy, 3 address) |
| 16:47:51 | preglow | lostlogic: they think the broadcom chip in the 5g uses mips |
| 16:47:59 | preglow | but yeah, arm assembler is very nice |
| 16:48:36 | preglow | simple pipeline, all instructions can be conditional, all are same size, and everything is very orthogonal |
| 16:48:44 | dkflrkeh | I'm korean user.. |
| 16:49:04 | markun | dkflrkeh: do you also use a translation program like jungti? |
| 16:49:05 | lostlogic | yeah, not like m68k where instructions can be from 1 to 4 words :) |
| 16:49:17 | dkflrkeh | yes i know |
| 16:49:56 | dkflrkeh | Jungti1234 It is an operator of the place where I am thin frequently |
| 16:50:33 | preglow | 1 to 3 words, heh |
| 16:50:36 | markun | lostlogic: only problem is that the size of the binaries gets very big with ARM. But there is a special mode called THUMB that only uses 16 bits per instruction, but rb doesn't use it (yet) |
| 16:51:19 | dkflrkeh | We with ipod photo make same features. |
| 16:52:02 | markun | dkflrkeh: you have a ipod photo? |
| 16:52:08 | dkflrkeh | yes.. |
| 16:52:23 | markun | Soon (I hope) you can run rockbox on it |
| 16:53:36 | lostlogic | preglow: can't the EMAC instructions get to 4 words? |
| 16:53:42 | dkflrkeh | What the Korean users whom it sees when the music is remade, the photograph is wishing comes out together.. |
| 16:54:09 | preglow | lostlogic: no, emacs are two words |
| 16:54:19 | preglow | afaik |
| 16:54:42 | lostlogic | k |
| 16:55:12 | preglow | if you use the parallel fetch version, it is two words, if not, it's just one word, i think |
| 16:55:26 | preglow | i forget this kind of thing too easily |
| 16:55:57 | lostlogic | markun: binary size can also be improved by using explicitly unsigned arguments where arguments are unsigned −− in working on Tremor for m68k, I saw a lot of places where there was duplicated code caused by compiler introduced branches to deal with positive vs negative operands. |
| 16:56:11 | dkflrkeh | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data16/2005/12/27/265/rbcolor3.jpg |
| 16:57:23 | dkflrkeh | With that photograph it was opened to the public to there is a same data? |
| 16:59:24 | preglow | lostlogic: how? |
| 16:59:52 | lostlogic | preglow: if a variable will only ever be positive in this scope, cast it to unsigned |
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| 17:00:27 | lostlogic | or if it's source var will only ever be unsigned then change the 'root var' to be unsigned |
| 17:02:04 | preglow | yes, but why the hell did gcc make different paths for unsigned and signed data? if you don't specify a signedness, it should default to signed and create code just for that |
| 17:02:26 | lostlogic | preglow: no, it creates two code paths for negative and positives sometimes |
| 17:02:30 | lostlogic | particularly for divisions |
| 17:02:36 | dkflrkeh | rayo |
| 17:04:48 | dkflrkeh | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data16/2005/12/27/265/rbcolor3.jpg <=== With that photograph it was opened to the public to there is a same data? |
| 17:05:32 | lostlogic | dkflrkeh: don't understand your query. |
| 17:06:10 | preglow | dkflrkeh: i think you need to use a better translator |
| 17:06:33 | dkflrkeh | i see.. |
| 17:10:29 | dkflrkeh | lostlogic |
| 17:11:33 | mirak | hi |
| 17:13:15 | dkflrkeh | hi |
| 17:14:46 | NicoFR | hi |
| 17:15:36 | markun | hi |
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| 17:17:18 | dkflrkeh | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data16/2005/12/27/265/rbcolor3.jpg |
| 17:18:15 | lostlogic | dkflrkeh: are you asking if something similar to that will be possible with rockbox on the iPod photo? |
| 17:18:25 | dkflrkeh | yes.. |
| 17:19:20 | markun | dkflrkeh: of course it will |
| 17:19:56 | dkflrkeh | It is opened to the public now? |
| 17:20:06 | lostlogic | dkflrkeh: the ipod port is not yet functional. |
| 17:20:37 | dkflrkeh | i want h320 on rockbox |
| 17:21:03 | dkflrkeh | ipod photo style.. |
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| 17:22:22 | lostlogic | markun: you think album art on the WPS will be possible on most newer targets? I'm not sure the coldfire based players have the horsepower for it |
| 17:23:12 | markun | lostlogic: If we save the album art as a bmp with the right size.. |
| 17:23:24 | lostlogic | markun: ah, yah. |
| 17:24:04 | lostlogic | the iPods can probably decode JPG on the fly with their larger iRam and second core. |
| 17:24:48 | dkflrkeh | ah... |
| 17:27:01 | preglow | mwell, don't expect too much |
| 17:27:32 | dkflrkeh | Now the possibility of finding the source it is? |
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| 17:30:36 | lostlogic | dkflrkeh: still having a very hard time understanding you. |
| 17:30:48 | lostlogic | dkflrkeh: Rockbox is completely opensource if that is your query, but I don't think it is. |
| 17:31:03 | markun | dkflrkeh: the source of what? |
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| 17:48:58 | mirak | the mpeg2 lib once ported on rockbox fail |
| 17:49:18 | mirak | I don't know what it can come from but it looks similar to endianness problem with xvid |
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| 18:39:43 | NicoFR | lostlogic: is there a particular reason why your patch '[ 1387611 ] Tremor optimizations' hasn't been commited yet ? |
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| 18:40:54 | lostlogic | NicoFR: most of it has been −− some of the parts are intrusive with only small (<1% benefit and those are left out) |
| 18:41:16 | NicoFR | so basically there is no need to apply it in my build ? |
| 18:41:21 | lostlogic | right |
| 18:41:23 | NicoFR | ok |
| 18:41:51 | lostlogic | Lear has done a great job of snagging the best parts of my patches and making them better before applying them :) |
| 18:42:42 | Lear | lostlogic: Glad you approved of my changes... :) |
| 18:46:00 | lostlogic | ooh, the X5 has a real lineout, not a reduced power headphone out. |
| 18:49:10 | NicoFR | lostlogic: the A-B repeat is very nice too |
| 18:49:38 | markun | lostlogic: the GB only has a line out through the dock |
| 18:49:48 | NicoFR | especially the abilty to move markers easily |
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| 18:50:14 | lostlogic | NicoFR: yeah, that was in the hwcodec version, and I had originally removed it, but then Ray on the devml suggested supporting both. |
| 18:50:39 | NicoFR | and there is no menu options for this by default ? |
| 18:50:42 | lostlogic | markun: yeah, it's only important to me at home for my speakers, so having it be on the dock is fine |
| 18:51:30 | lostlogic | NicoFR: in the hwcodec version, there was a menu option, but on a player like iRiver that has an extra button just sitting there, it didn't seem necessary. That's easily configurable by changing the AB_REPEAT_ENABLE value from 2 to 1 in the config-h300.h file. |
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| 18:52:08 | markun | lostlogic: this is the one I have btw: http://www.mygigabeat.com/2005/05/first-photos-of-my-gigabeat-f40.html |
| 18:52:27 | markun | The X30 and X60 have the same hardware but have a bigger screen and are smaller |
| 18:52:47 | lostlogic | markun: yeah, that's the one I've been looking at... I haven't seen any X series for sale. |
| 18:52:56 | markun | The F41 is smaller than the F40 because it has the 1 platter 40GB HD |
| 18:53:22 | lostlogic | markun: I think I'm going to settle on the iAudio though −− $300 from newegg and it has all the features I want, the only drawback is the stupid damn stupid low res screen. |
| 18:54:15 | markun | Maybe I get linuxstb to buy one then :) |
| 18:54:32 | lostlogic | markun: :) −− does he swim in money or something? |
| 18:54:54 | markun | Probably not no |
| 18:55:09 | gtkspert | lol |
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| 18:55:17 | markun | but still.. :) |
| 18:56:26 | lostlogic | I wish I could afford to have multiple serious audio players... I'd love to have a gigabeat, ipod 5g, and iAudio to play with. |
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| 19:01:37 | XavierGr | Hi all! |
| 19:02:04 | gtkspert | hi |
| 19:03:17 | lostlogic | http://www.drivesolutions.com impressive 1.8in hard drive selection |
| 19:04:45 | muesli__ | hi XavierGr, well shaked, everything ok over there? |
| 19:04:57 | XavierGr | yeah sure :) |
| 19:05:08 | XavierGr | nothing major it was a deep one! |
| 19:05:27 | muesli__ | but looked scary though ;) |
| 19:05:51 | XavierGr | indeed... |
| 19:06:34 | XavierGr | it was the biggest I have felt so far |
| 19:07:11 | muesli__ | :-/ |
| 19:07:47 | muesli__ | northern europe is pretty quakefree..didnt experience any so far |
| 19:08:21 | mirak | markun: it doesnt work :( |
| 19:08:36 | mirak | I don't know what's the problem but the sequence says invalid state |
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| 19:18:56 | XavierGr | anyone using KDE here? |
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| 19:23:21 | markun | mirak: but it works on the PC? |
| 19:24:30 | mirak | it works on the pc |
| 19:24:36 | mirak | it's works also on ppc |
| 19:24:44 | mirak | I have linux on a mac |
| 19:24:50 | mirak | so it's big endian but it works |
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| 19:29:03 | lokki | XavierGr: i use kde... |
| 19:29:54 | lokki | XavierGr: why? |
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| 19:39:36 | LlamaGuy | I don't know much C but I've been trying to figure this out...How would I tweak the source so that pressing the Rec button on the H300 opens up the 'View Current Playlist' screen? |
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| 19:40:27 | LlamaGuy | Seeing that it currently has no function. |
| 19:40:50 | saa[b_r]ider | RoTaToR: is 220 X 176 big enough? I'm not aware of the iPod's dimensions |
| 19:41:33 | dkflrkeh | where is h320 rockbox jpg viewer plugin? |
| 19:41:40 | saa[b_r]ider | there is none |
| 19:41:51 | saa[b_r]ider | there's a BMP viewer though |
| 19:42:03 | dkflrkeh | bmp viewer? |
| 19:42:15 | dkflrkeh | play with show bmp? |
| 19:42:24 | ts-x | lostlogic: fewer choices, but better prices: http://www.ewiz.com/query.php?categry=59&dp=1&dt=&categry=59&categry=59&brand=&pa0=&pa1=&pa2=&pa3=&pa4=1.8+inch&pa5=&nl=10&searchStr=Search+from+current+results&ob=&myanchor=%23displaytop |
| 19:42:54 | saa[b_r]ider | dkflrkeh: umm, I haven't really tested it. |
| 19:43:04 | dkflrkeh | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data16/2005/12/27/265/rbcolor3.jpg is this? |
| 19:43:11 | dkflrkeh | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data16/2005/12/27/265/rbcolor3.jpg <== is this? |
| 19:43:46 | saa[b_r]ider | that was just testing... but that was done using BMP |
| 19:44:01 | saa[b_r]ider | I forgot who did that |
| 19:44:04 | t0mas | wow |
| 19:44:08 | t0mas | any music lovers around? |
| 19:44:10 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:44:10 | * | t0mas is listening to 14. Maria Daines - Rollin' |
| 19:44:12 | t0mas | http://music.podshow.com/music/listeners/artistdetails.php?BandHash=278601cc828d39c1b58f9f7abde6c484 |
| 19:44:15 | saa[b_r]ider | are you a friend of jungti? |
| 19:44:15 | t0mas | number 2 there |
| 19:44:22 | dkflrkeh | yes.. |
| 19:44:58 | saa[b_r]ider | cool :0 |
| 19:44:59 | saa[b_r]ider | :) |
| 19:45:04 | dkflrkeh | many korean h320 users want playing with album bmp show... |
| 19:45:25 | saa[b_r]ider | me too ;) |
| 19:45:56 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: eventually I may need a background as big as 320x240 if I plan on supporting the ipod video. |
| 19:46:05 | RotAtoR | but 220x176 is big enough for now |
| 19:46:22 | dkflrkeh | h320 Is the user many? |
| 19:46:41 | saa[b_r]ider | k, I'll make the box-free one now... |
| 19:46:54 | RotAtoR | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:47:01 | saa[b_r]ider | dkflrkeh, I own an H340, and there are many H300 users at misticriver |
| 19:47:19 | saa[b_r]ider | but I think it's not very popular in korea |
| 19:48:17 | XavierGr | lokki: Are you here? |
| 19:48:33 | lokki | XavierGr: yes |
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| 19:48:55 | XavierGr | can you have mutliple folder settings in KDE? |
| 19:49:03 | XavierGr | But not only position or size |
| 19:49:09 | dkflrkeh | My hand phone playing movie 640*480 vga ... |
| 19:49:23 | XavierGr | what about view-modes (tree-multicolumn e.tc.) |
| 19:49:39 | dkflrkeh | 640*480 vga 30fps... |
| 19:49:42 | dkflrkeh | and tv-out.. |
| 19:49:51 | dkflrkeh | Lg phone.. Kv-5500 |
| 19:50:34 | saa[b_r]ider | the CDMA phones in korea are very advanced |
| 19:50:35 | lokki | i don't think so... |
| 19:50:48 | dkflrkeh | yes.. |
| 19:51:14 | dkflrkeh | my brother phone support DMB... |
| 19:51:43 | XavierGr | lokki you were talking to me? So there is no possible way eh? |
| 19:51:53 | lokki | but i never tried, i'm not so much into kde.. |
| 19:51:59 | XavierGr | ah |
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| 19:52:06 | XavierGr | I ill ask elsewhere then |
| 19:52:17 | lokki | why do you want it that way? |
| 19:52:22 | XavierGr | thing is that it can keep many settings but from what I see so far not view modes |
| 19:52:24 | dkflrkeh | wps color support very good....!!!! |
| 19:52:33 | saa[b_r]ider | RoTaToR: posted |
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| 19:52:47 | dkflrkeh | saab.... |
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| 19:52:55 | saa[b_r]ider | yes |
| 19:52:57 | dkflrkeh | h320 not jpg viewer? |
| 19:53:04 | XavierGr | lokki: I am switching from Windows XP and I am used to that. Also I am very itchy when it comes to windows size position and appearance |
| 19:53:19 | dkflrkeh | ihp-100 series have a jpg viewer... |
| 19:53:40 | saa[b_r]ider | no colored jpeg viewer yet |
| 19:53:42 | dkflrkeh | that is viewer not support h320? |
| 19:53:50 | dkflrkeh | ah.. |
| 19:54:11 | saa[b_r]ider | dkflrkeh: I think you'll like this: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=369323&posted=1#post369323 |
| 19:54:56 | RotAtoR | saa[b_r]ider: thanks |
| 19:55:20 | saa[b_r]ider | any time |
| 19:56:17 | dkflrkeh | iriver rockbox does not know well.. |
| 19:56:27 | lokki | XavierGr: i think i have a solution |
| 19:57:23 | XavierGr | I am all ears |
| 19:57:24 | dkflrkeh | h300 series... h10 ... jpg viewer ....poor.... |
| 19:57:43 | lokki | XavierGr: go to the settings menu in kde and select "save view changes per folder" |
| 19:57:46 | dkflrkeh | I'll buy U10... |
| 19:58:03 | lokki | then change the view mode the way you want it |
| 19:58:08 | saa[b_r]ider | U10 is expensive, with very little space |
| 19:58:24 | saa[b_r]ider | looks nice though |
| 19:58:32 | lokki | and then go to settings, save view profile filemanagment |
| 19:58:42 | dkflrkeh | The recent price fell plentifully |
| 19:59:30 | eli_sherer | jpeg is gonna be a peice of cake as soon as i'm done with gif...that's because i need to get around the little space each plugin get for buffer...(memory allocation and stuff) |
| 19:59:32 | saa[b_r]ider | I like 40 GB :) I'll get a U10 when it has that much disk space ;) |
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| 20:00:01 | saa[b_r]ider | eli: but that's not your surprise is it? |
| 20:00:11 | dkflrkeh | U10 1gb set => 237.83 usd... |
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| 20:00:24 | XavierGr | lokki: Which distor ado you have? Settings you mean in the manu bar of each instance of konqueror or other settings? (mine doesn't have this) |
| 20:00:55 | dkflrkeh | saab |
| 20:01:19 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah |
| 20:01:23 | lokki | XavierGr: in the menu bar of konqueror |
| 20:01:38 | dkflrkeh | what do you using incoding software? |
| 20:02:10 | lokki | what do you see when you open konqueror? |
| 20:02:19 | dkflrkeh | Virtualdub? |
| 20:02:40 | XavierGr | lokki: yeah but it seems that mine doesnt have the "save view changes per folder" only the "Save View profile" |
| 20:03:02 | XavierGr | lokki: well my home directory with the menu bar on top |
| 20:03:25 | saa[b_r]ider | It's been a long time since I last ripped CDs. I used to use CDEX.... now there's EAC |
| 20:03:55 | saa[b_r]ider | but I use Virtualdub for video |
| 20:04:00 | lokki | what version of konqueror/kde do you have -> help -> about-konqueror help -> about-kde |
| 20:04:05 | dkflrkeh | ipod photo sumnail function is enviable too much |
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| 20:04:29 | XavierGr | 3.4.3 |
| 20:04:33 | dkflrkeh | I have very easy incoding program.. |
| 20:04:42 | saa[b_r]ider | iriverter? |
| 20:04:47 | dkflrkeh | no.. |
| 20:04:50 | lokki | XavierGr: that's probably it... |
| 20:04:54 | dkflrkeh | Badak... |
| 20:04:55 | lokki | i use 3.5 |
| 20:05:02 | XavierGr | there is a 3.5? |
| 20:05:05 | XavierGr | my god! |
| 20:05:08 | lokki | yes |
| 20:05:15 | dkflrkeh | but not support english.. |
| 20:05:16 | lokki | what distro? |
| 20:05:22 | XavierGr | can I update? Kubuntu |
| 20:05:27 | lostlogic | NicoFR: you'll be happy to know that I just bid on a used H340... I don't think I'll win, but if I do, back to H340 coding I go ;) |
| 20:05:38 | eli_sherer | saa[b_r]ider: no it isn't |
| 20:05:41 | NicoFR | :D |
| 20:05:46 | lokki | kubuntu is debian based? |
| 20:05:51 | saa[b_r]ider | that can be a problem dkflrkeh :) |
| 20:05:51 | XavierGr | yup |
| 20:05:59 | NicoFR | how much is your bid ? |
| 20:06:19 | * | saa[b_r]ider uses debian based Mepis |
| 20:06:46 | saa[b_r]ider | eli: I'm guessing you won't give us any hints, but any ETA? |
| 20:06:58 | lokki | XavierGr: http://www.kde.org/info/3.5beta2.php there is a package for kubuntu, but 3.5 is beta... |
| 20:07:06 | XavierGr | well I am a hard-core Windows user but know I think it is time to get rid of Microsoft |
| 20:07:15 | XavierGr | ok thanks |
| 20:07:27 | lokki | so far i had no problems with it |
| 20:07:27 | * | eli_sherer want to say he took some time off the army and this week he is gonna be home...programming to your enjoymeny! |
| 20:07:35 | lokki | but i use gentoo not kubuntu |
| 20:07:51 | dkflrkeh | rockbox not support bmp viewer? |
| 20:07:51 | eli_sherer | saa[b_r]ider: i estimate by tomorrow... |
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| 20:08:07 | saa[b_r]ider | nice.. good luck! |
| 20:08:44 | saa[b_r]ider | dkflrkeh: use eli_sherer's Rockpaint plug-in to view BMPs |
| 20:09:56 | dkflrkeh | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data16/2005/12/30/72/UI1%28music_play%29.jpg <=== It means that I dream |
| 20:11:54 | saa[b_r]ider | I think that can be possible in the future... |
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| 20:14:24 | dkflrkeh | color patch when about is the end ? |
| 20:15:15 | dkflrkeh | saab |
| 20:15:41 | dkflrkeh | original iriver firmware not possible editing? |
| 20:15:55 | saa[b_r]ider | which color patch? |
| 20:16:20 | dkflrkeh | playing with view album jaket.. |
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| 20:16:58 | saa[b_r]ider | no one knows :) slowly but enevitably |
| 20:18:01 | dkflrkeh | I'm tired.. |
| 20:18:09 | dkflrkeh | Go to bedroom |
| 20:18:11 | dkflrkeh | good bye.. |
| 20:18:25 | dkflrkeh | see you again.. |
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| 20:48:47 | markun | lostlogic: man, I forgot that you ruined your H340! The Gigabeat would really not be a very good choice without a rb port as your only player.. |
| 20:53:50 | preglow | i said that hours ago... |
| 20:55:40 | markun | I'm a bit slow today |
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| 21:00:16 | markun | preglow: is it only important to know the LCD driver? Doesn't the actual LCD module dictate the timings? |
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| 21:12:41 | preglow | ehh |
| 21:12:51 | preglow | it's the lcd controller that dictates timings |
| 21:13:00 | preglow | what's an lcd driver? |
| 21:13:05 | preglow | that's software, yeah? |
| 21:13:08 | markun | I'm a bit confused.. |
| 21:13:21 | markun | The S3C2440 has a LCD controller |
| 21:14:01 | markun | I wanted to go looking for the datasheet of the LCD |
| 21:15:00 | markun | Do other players like the ipod for example not have a integrated LCD controller? |
| 21:15:11 | preglow | unless i'm completely confused, an lcd module consists of two things: the actual display, and a controller chip that drives it |
| 21:15:25 | preglow | i don't know about the ipod, but i don't think so |
| 21:15:40 | preglow | on the h1x0 you've just got the controller chip hooked directly up to the data bus |
| 21:16:58 | NicoFR | there's something i'm wondering... how are the settings stored in rockbox ? |
| 21:17:06 | NicoFR | it doesn't seem to be in a file... |
| 21:17:07 | markun | But to find the settings to write to the LCD controller I would need the datasheet of the LCD module, no? |
| 21:17:31 | markun | NicoFR: they are stored in the first sector of the HD |
| 21:18:36 | NicoFR | ok |
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| 21:22:28 | petur | iRiver users using recording: proposal to implement gain setting as gain and balance (is now: gain, gain left, gain right) |
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| 21:26:29 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:26:39 | preglow | i rather like having left and right there, but an option to link them would be good |
| 21:28:56 | petur | it's just that it looks so clumsy now and takes 3 rows |
| 21:29:44 | petur | if I add both analog and digital gain, that's 6 rows for gain |
| 21:30:49 | petur | I would implement it as a pos/neg value that indicates how many dB L/R is lower |
| 21:31:39 | petur | so balance of -6 would mean right channel is 6dB lower than left |
| 21:33:02 | petur | As I rarely use balance, I'd hate setting gain by L/R separately (slow and error-prone) |
| 21:33:15 | * | petur ends monologue now ;) |
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| 21:39:05 | markun | preglow: ok, I now understand the LCD controler is not the same as the LCD driver: "The TIMEGEN consists of programmable logic to support the variable requirements of interface timing and rates commonly found in different LCD drivers." |
| 21:39:57 | b0br | petur: agreed.. and maybe later with some kind of graphic indicator, something like this: ..............0....|........... if it's understandable.. |
| 21:40:35 | petur | possibly yes... |
| 21:41:16 | petur | I'm going to implemet it that way, we'll see if it gets CVS blessing... |
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| 21:41:51 | petur | btw, analog/digital gain otf is nice - have been playing with it this afternoon. |
| 21:42:38 | b0br | waht is exactly the difference? |
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| 21:44:20 | petur | the iRiver audio chip has analog gain and a decimator (also gain but digital) |
| 21:45:12 | petur | atm, the digital one is only changeable in settings, not otf |
| 21:46:37 | darkless | how far down does the decimator extend? |
| 21:46:49 | preglow | markun: sounds like the chip's got some kind of integrated lcd interface |
| 21:47:01 | markun | yes, it has |
| 21:47:11 | preglow | not bad |
| 21:47:18 | preglow | might speed up the lcd quite a bit |
| 21:47:24 | b0br | is there a way to write a smart automatic gain control ? |
| 21:47:39 | darkless | replaygain? |
| 21:47:50 | b0br | recording gain |
| 21:48:18 | darkless | hmm, that would require some sort of RTA... wouldn't that be rather expensive, computationally? |
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| 21:48:50 | markun | preglow: It has a LCD DMA which writes the video data to the LCD 16 bytes at a time, but I don't know if that's good. |
| 21:51:02 | petur | now that's a nice idea... some kind of auto-clipping prevention: if sound goes above a treshold, decrease gain... |
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| 21:53:42 | preglow | markun: well, it's tons better than nothing |
| 21:54:11 | b0br | minidisc has such feature, but it's unusable b/c it decreases gain in jumps and its disturbing in the final recording.. |
| 21:55:09 | b0br | and it can't handle dynamic parts as needed |
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| 21:55:26 | preglow | haha |
| 21:55:34 | preglow | well, such a feature needs a good amount of lookahead |
| 21:55:36 | preglow | but not too hard |
| 21:58:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw some discussion on a Line In on iPods in the log, and I can't remember where but I remember someone mentioning that there was one on the Nano through the dock port, but nothing used it yet. |
| 21:58:35 | mirak | hey |
| 21:58:45 | mirak | the simulator for X is still broken ? |
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| 21:59:56 | Mmmm | Petur: about the recording gain control.. Would it be a good idea to only have one gain control that automatically starts increasing digital gain after anologue gain has maxxed? |
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| 22:00:16 | Mmmm | sor of like zoom on digital cameras |
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| 22:00:52 | b0br | well some kind of momentum would do the job i think - problem is that minidisc increases gain in quiet parts which adds noise and then when somethin louder comes, gain goes down dramatically and you hear it as a click :( |
| 22:01:48 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: the ipod diagnostic screen has a line in entry on the nano |
| 22:02:01 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: apple does not advertise that the nano can record, though |
| 22:04:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
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| 22:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll just be happy when I can play MP3s properly on my Nano (though once Rockbox is on it and well, I suspect I'll be using Oggs) |
| 22:26:35 | NicoFR | is there somewhere where I can easily change the version text displayed under the logo when reockbox finishes booting ? |
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| 22:43:27 | * | lostlogic is the proud owner of a new-to-me iRiver H340 but US version. |
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| 22:44:15 | markun | lostlogic: congrats! |
| 22:44:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Congrats |
| 22:44:42 | lostlogic | now I have to patiently wait for UPS to get it to me. |
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| 22:47:01 | petur | wow, that's good news lostlogic! Maybe you can have the missing components transferred from your dead unit to get usbotg again ;) |
| 22:47:28 | lostlogic | petur: yeah, am thinking about it −− the USBOTG mods that othyer people have done don't look too hard either. |
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| 22:54:35 | amiconn | petur: There's an old idea of mine to reduce the gain settings from 3 to 2 rows in the recording screen - without giving up separate L and R sliders |
| 22:55:09 | amiconn | Instead of having a separate slider for the combined setting, simply mark both sliders to indicate the coupled state |
| 22:55:47 | petur | and in the settings have a lock switch? |
| 22:56:00 | amiconn | ?? |
| 22:56:08 | petur | to toggle locked/unlocked |
| 22:56:23 | preglow | amiconn: yes, i'm with you on that one |
| 22:56:30 | amiconn | What settings? I'm talking about the gain values in the recording screen |
| 22:56:55 | petur | I'talking about the fact that thos gain sliders are locked or not |
| 22:57:38 | amiconn | Today, you move the bar/pointer with up/down. The 'locked' state would just be one of those steps |
| 22:58:01 | petur | ?? |
| 22:58:08 | petur | that's what we have now |
| 22:58:23 | petur | a line with gain (locked) and then both separate |
| 22:58:47 | amiconn | Perhaps I wasn't clear enough |
| 22:59:04 | amiconn | Of course I want the separate slider for the combined state removed |
| 22:59:42 | petur | I think I'm getting it |
| 22:59:59 | amiconn | You would move up & down through the settings: Volume <-> Left Gain <-> Left+Right (NOT as a separate slider) <-> Right Gain |
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| 23:00:12 | petur | yeah... |
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| 23:01:13 | petur | or L - R - BOTH or the other way around ;) |
| 23:01:16 | amiconn | For tbe two gain settings on iriver: I think it would be easier to use if both gain settings would be combined into one large-range setting |
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| 23:01:56 | Mmmm | Aha....that's what I was saying earlier! :D |
| 23:02:29 | amiconn | :) |
| 23:02:39 | petur | should be possible - a bit more work but that's ok :) |
| 23:03:07 | amiconn | The GUI work will be less, the low-level work a bit more |
| 23:03:12 | petur | yep |
| 23:03:25 | petur | and figure out as way to indicate what we're doing |
| 23:03:34 | Mmmm | So it increases the analogue first then the digital just like the zoom on a didital camers! |
| 23:03:34 | petur | s/as/a |
| 23:03:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, I just thought of something |
| 23:04:15 | Mmmm | digital camera |
| 23:04:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to recall at some point someone mentioning not feeling like they had enough buttons to do what they needed to, and I was thinking, outside of the while playing screen, it's hardly necessary for the hold switch to actually put the buttons on hold (assuming that's a software handled function of it.) |
| 23:04:29 | amiconn | Ahahaha, funny bug: |
| 23:04:49 | amiconn | Try setting the digital gain below zero. Watch the display |
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| 23:07:07 | petur | wahahaha |
| 23:07:17 | petur | 0.-5 dB |
| 23:07:24 | amiconn | -1.-5 dB |
| 23:07:30 | NicoFR | lostlogic: congrats on your H340 ;-) |
| 23:07:33 | petur | yea.. lol |
| 23:07:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | -1.-5 dB? Seriously? |
| 23:08:15 | NicoFR | so would anyone know how to change the text under the logo at boot ? |
| 23:08:23 | mirak_ | when you have a = b = c = 2 a,b,c equals 2 ? |
| 23:08:52 | NicoFR | mirak: (a,b,c)=(2,2,2) |
| 23:11:02 | mirak_ | okk |
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| 23:11:42 | lodesi | hi! |
| 23:12:30 | petur | amiconn: do we fake stereo gain on mono mic? because analog gain is mono but decimator has L/R |
| 23:13:09 | petur | but how to explain the user when changing analog L that R is also changing |
| 23:13:15 | petur | yuck |
| 23:17:01 | Mmmm | Can't you keep the two L/R channel display? |
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| 23:17:36 | petur | yes, but while changing analog gain, both L and R will change together as it's mono... |
| 23:19:40 | Mmmm | That's ok isn't it? |
| 23:20:01 | Mmmm | gain is only mono for the internal mic though isnt it? |
| 23:20:07 | lodesi | mmh.. is there any way to set the font(other than FONT_*) from a plugin ? |
| 23:20:12 | Lear | Yay, new mp4 metadata parser seems to work (mostly). |
| 23:20:12 | petur | maybe a bit weird, because as soo as you get to digital gain, they change separately |
| 23:21:13 | Mmmm | ahh... I see what you mean now! :) |
| 23:21:14 | preglow | Lear: new? what's changed? |
| 23:21:28 | * | amiconn wonders why some codecs use the (proper) #ifdef USE_IRAM, and others use the (non-ideal) #ifndef SIMULATOR |
| 23:21:43 | petur | bbl |
| 23:21:48 | Lear | well, for one, I can actually play a couple of mp4:s I have here... :) |
| 23:22:15 | Lear | Also supports replaygain (Foobar style, I guess). |
| 23:22:27 | Lear | (Haven't verified that bit yet though.) |
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| 23:23:07 | Lear | Should be more flexible too, and thus support more files. |
| 23:23:10 | preglow | amiconn: all codecs i've updated use USE_IRAM |
| 23:23:45 | amiconn | I've fixed that locally |
| 23:23:47 | preglow | i planned to update all of them to use USE_IRAM, but i never did it for some reason |
| 23:24:26 | amiconn | Wow.. filesize significantly decreased again |
| 23:24:54 | preglow | how? |
| 23:25:36 | amiconn | This morning: .bss not in binary. Now: .ibss not in binary |
| 23:25:41 | amiconn | (codecs and plugins) |
| 23:26:20 | preglow | right, but how do you know check to see if a plugin is too large to be loaded? |
| 23:26:26 | preglow | or is this checked compile time? |
| 23:26:37 | amiconn | If it's too large, it wouldn't build |
| 23:26:41 | preglow | okay |
| 23:26:42 | Mmmm | Petur: at the moment you appear to be able to change analogue gain for L&R separately. |
| 23:26:55 | amiconn | The linker would fail with 'region blah is full' |
| 23:27:17 | petur | Mmmm: but not if you select MIC |
| 23:27:30 | petur | and now I got to go ;) |
| 23:28:51 | Mmmm | see ya |
| 23:29:21 | amiconn | Now on to testing this... |
| 23:30:37 | NicoFR | lear: you can play mp4 files on iriver ? |
| 23:31:08 | Lear | nicofr: in simulator, yes. |
| 23:31:44 | NicoFR | that's nice to hear :) |
| 23:31:57 | NicoFR | and do you have info about m4b bookmarks ? |
| 23:32:07 | Lear | Just got it working in the simulator, so I haven't had a chance to test on target just yet. |
| 23:32:14 | Lear | No m4b info though. |
| 23:32:29 | Lear | Was bad enough to get info on m4a. :) |
| 23:32:30 | NicoFR | ok |
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| 23:32:37 | amiconn | a52.codec: 51KB->31KB, aac.codec: 421KB->253KB |
| 23:32:51 | amiconn | alac.codec: 44KB->12KB |
| 23:32:52 | Mulzi-SAW | hi |
| 23:32:54 | NicoFR | it would be real nice to have good m4b support but there seems to be very little info available |
| 23:33:12 | amiconn | flac.codec: 85KB->10KB |
| 23:33:47 | Moos | w00t :) |
| 23:34:03 | amiconn | RAM usage of the codec itself doesn't change |
| 23:34:31 | amiconn | ...but it will take less time to load from disk, and less space in the buffer when codec changes are needed |
| 23:34:42 | Mulzi-SAW | can someone help me with convertig .bdf to .fnt? |
| 23:34:44 | Mulzi-SAW | convbdf sais "Error: no memory for font load, Error reading font header" |
| 23:34:46 | * | preglow hugs flac |
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| 23:35:44 | NicoFR | gtg |
| 23:35:45 | NicoFR | gnite |
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| 23:37:03 | Lear | Hrm, looks like FAAD doesn't like replaygain tags... Got an init failure with a tagged file. |
| 23:38:12 | Lear | Or maybe that should be foobar tags... |
| 23:38:15 | Mmmm | Petur, you still there? |
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| 23:57:40 | petur | amiconn: I'll go ahead with what we discussed earlier then, and fake stereo on mono mic. So gain will always be L/R with a special lock selection |
| 23:58:54 | preglow | amiconn: i think it's time to just make the iram copy/clear action a macro of its own |
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