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#rockbox log for 2006-01-08

00:00:38preglowwell, yeah, but no
00:00:53preglowthe patent holders have said they'll never go after free decoders
00:01:11preglowencoding is something different again
00:01:28lostlogicwolfson's product numbering sucks. 8753 and 8750 are codecs, as is (it would seem) the 8758, but the 8759 is just a DAC
00:01:38webguest05That doesn't really matter much though, if you're talking legal matters, does it?
00:01:45webguest05I mean, they could easily turn around on that issue
00:01:50preglowwebguest05: sure
00:01:58preglowwebguest05: and we'd have to remove it
00:01:58preglowbig deal
00:02:24webguest05The same could be said for the encoder
00:02:25RotAtoRpreglow: i'm here
00:02:35preglowRotAtoR: do you remember if the noise on track change has always been there?
00:03:33RotAtoRi don't recall, it wasn't until the last big speed improvement that I really started using my mpc collection
00:03:59RotAtoRaround sept/oct, i think
00:04:29preglowRotAtoR: anyway, you'll be relieved to hear i think the matter has been fixed
00:04:39RotAtoRi don't recall hearing the problem before then, but i doubt i had listened for more than a couple hours of mpc files before then
00:04:44preglowat least i can't provoke it anymore
00:05:06RotAtoRjust out of curiosity, what was the problem?
00:05:30preglowmore or less what it had to be, musepack retained some state across track bounadaries, i don't exactly know what yet
00:05:36preglowi'm doing some tests to find out
00:05:51RotAtoRhmm, ok
00:05:58preglowthat, or we might corrupt the filter coefs somewhere
00:06:13preglowanyone know of the x11 sim works these days?
00:06:15preglowwith sound
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00:10:37lostlogicshoot, I forgot, ipod doesn't have a linein or mic does it?!
00:11:27preglowthat is, it depends
00:11:41Bagderit works with sound for me since the day I added it ;-)
00:11:41preglowi think some of them do, but it's via the dock connector
00:11:59preglowBagder: btw, how do the sims handle recording?
00:12:06Bagdernot at all I believe
00:13:13preglowBagder: good, because i don't believe sdl currently supports that
00:13:24preglowBagder: and on a related note, do you know anything about the sdl sim status?
00:13:54preglowRotAtoR: i'm just going to commit this fix and leave the finding out what's wrong for later
00:13:55Bagderit is claimed to work
00:15:06preglowargh, i've been launched into emacs!
00:15:09preglowhow do i save then quit?
00:15:38Bagderctrl-x ctrl-c
00:16:04RotAtoRpreglow: sounds good, i'll be testing as much as i can :D
00:16:05Bagderand no vi user may make fun of silly key combos ;-)
00:16:32RotAtoRwill this include the other speed improvements you had waiting to commit?
00:16:50preglowRotAtoR: no, i'm afraid not, those will have to wait
00:17:02RotAtoRahh, ok, thanks
00:17:10preglowi discovered a few bugs and i don't have time to fix now
00:17:25webguest05Bagder: what, :write :quit doesn't make sense? ;)
00:17:30preglowplus, i've been pushing the musepack guys to incorporating my changes, it seems i have to nag some more to make them update again
00:17:37preglowwebguest05: :wq!
00:17:46Bagderwebguest05: if so, then you can do the verbose commands with emacs too
00:17:59webguest05preglow: Well yes, but that doesn't make sense :)
00:18:07preglowit's not fun if it makes sense
00:18:27preglowand no, i don't feel i'm contradicting myself here!
00:18:32preglowthat's just the kind of guy i am
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00:19:55webguest05vim doesn't make sense in a much nicer way than emacs
00:20:12webguest05It's obviously the best.
00:20:54preglowRotAtoR: commited
00:21:06*Bagder used emacs long before vim even existed
00:22:10 Quit henrico ("gtkBitchX: it's everywhere you want to be")
00:22:25preglowwhich is why you're beyond redemption and need to be put down for your own sake
00:22:51preglowi bet you've even grown used to the voices in your head by now
00:23:26BagderI've named them!
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00:25:49webguest05Bagder: you should obviously have been using vi
00:26:17Bagderit didn't have syntax highlighting nor proper indent support
00:26:33preglowvi = shite
00:26:47preglowvim = the shiznit
00:26:52Bagdereven emacs 17 had that
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00:28:05webguest05If vi didn't have it, God obviously didn't think you were ready for it.
00:28:16Jungti1234that's s lamp joke! <- whats meaning?
00:28:29preglowit's an evolutionary, the clever guys sticked to vi
00:28:44webguest05Or something. My evangelizing is a bit off.
00:28:44preglowand the others now have mad cows disease
00:29:09preglowJungti1234: no idea
00:29:59webguest05I think some more context would be helpful. What came before this?
00:32:33lostlogichas anyone done an iAudio vs. iRiver sound quality comparison?
00:34:05webguest05I remember seeing one once. The iAudio had horrible frequency respons in the lower end if memory serves
00:34:22preglowi think the iaudio has decent sound
00:34:25preglowyou should ask linus
00:34:34preglowthat is, he too might never have actually listened to music with it, hehe
00:35:17lostlogichehe, the DAC that it uses claims better SNR and channel sep than iPod or iRiver
00:35:27Bagderthe iaudio sounds fine
00:35:44Bagderbut I haven't done any comparisons
00:35:46lostlogicBagder: you have the 20G version? Any idea if the 30G version uses 1 or 2 platter drive?
00:35:52preglowone, afaik
00:36:08lostlogicbah, so much for saving money by reusing my 40G drive.
00:36:11webguest05Of course, the frequency response thing could be competely a firmware question
00:36:25webguest05Or a figment of my imagination.
00:37:32preglowi can't imagine why the firmware would roll off the lower freqs
00:37:37Mooslostlogic: there is the 60 go one ;)
00:37:53preglowlostlogic: the iaudio might be more roomy
00:37:54webguest05preglow: stranger things have happened
00:38:39lostlogicpreglow: it is, but it's also coldfire based which I've learned to program, and supports recording which the iPod does not.
00:38:46webguest05There it is:
00:39:12Moosare they the Ipods have in/out line?
00:40:32preglowlostlogic: i know which one i'd have chosen
00:40:35lostlogicMoos: they have no linein
00:40:39preglowfor a primary player, that is
00:40:43lostlogicpreglow: iPod 5G?
00:40:53Mooslostlogic: and usb host?
00:41:02lostlogicMoos: nope
00:41:11lostlogicpreglow: hmph what is your current primary player?
00:41:32lostlogicthat BIG drop in frequency response on the iAudio in that comparison is _weird_
00:41:44markunpreglow: the wolfson codec in the gigabeat sounds pretty good btw
00:41:58preglowlostlogic: h120
00:42:05preglowwhich would be my first choice, still
00:42:07preglowi love it
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00:42:24lostlogicyeah, H340 would still be my first choice, but getting another H340 international is looking pretty hard.
00:42:26preglowmarkun: which is it?
00:42:39markunWolfson WM8751L
00:42:59webguest05lostlogic: Very weird. I'm wondering what could possibly cause it.
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00:44:09preglowmarkun: 8758 in the 5g
00:44:24preglowbut then again, their model numbers aren't very indicative
00:44:44preglowprobably a direct result of their policy to only name devices when sloshed
00:44:58webguest05lostlogic: I'm thinking he may have some sort of equalizer enabled, but then, if you're going to do a rmaa test you should know not to do that
00:45:46webguest05It really is quite strange
00:46:36preglowwebguest05: got an url?
00:47:11lostlogic,1895,1833887,00.asp this review compliments it's bass response.
00:47:19webguest05 < iRiver H340 vs Archos AV380 vs iAudio X5L
00:47:35webguest05It looks completely broken
00:47:47lostlogicalthough they do point out a roll off below 80hz as well
00:48:17thegeekHehe, this is completely off-topic and does not belong in this channel, however, since lots of you guys tend to know quite a bit about this stuff :
00:48:59Mooslostlogic: the nicknames of X5s is Ipod killers ;)
00:49:07DreamTactix291i like the X5's design
00:49:12preglowthat doesn't exactly make the x5 look good
00:49:31preglowthis can't be right
00:49:37webguest05"Dell DJ Ditty" ... that has got to be the worst name ever.
00:49:42Moosthat depend surely of taste of anyone
00:50:03mirak there is a memcpy who is hidden in that .c file, I need to know where it is. The error is at the end of the file
00:50:09preglowthe harmonic distortion levels are horrible
00:50:50Moospreglow: did you tried X5?
00:51:07mirakhelp needed
00:51:36webguest05Someone with an X5 and hxx0 should do another rmaa test
00:51:47webguest05It does seem a bit too wrong
00:52:13Moosbut pretty sure here the iaudio fw sucks too(like all one compare to Rockbox)
00:52:44preglowwell, like i said, they'd have to be severely drunk if that's a software bug
00:53:12webguest05Could be to make people turn on the trubass thing
00:53:25mirakpreglow: help ...
00:53:32Moospreglow:let's LinusN working on the low levels things and see
00:54:03lostlogicpreglow: alcohol causes a lot of engineering faults eh?
00:54:38Moosalcohol and some things just oxygen it seem ;-)
00:54:55preglowmirak: can't help right now
00:54:58preglowlostlogic: apparently
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00:55:41NicoFRhi preglow
00:55:54NicoFRjust read almost everything since I left a few hours ago
00:55:58lokkipreglow: i spent the day by hacking rockbox code...
00:56:07preglowlokki: sounds wonderful
00:56:18NicoFRand so I find that the MPC bug is fixed
00:56:19preglowi'm halfway throug a musepack album now
00:56:20preglowno noise yet
00:56:37NicoFRI will try right now
00:56:38lokkii managed to get the recording screen and the peakmeter on the remote
00:57:35lokkibut i did it with a lot of #ifdefs...guess that's not the way to go
00:58:41preglowthe fewer ifdefs, the better
00:58:56lokkiwhy is that?
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01:00:52NicoFRlostlogic: there are some H340s on ebay
01:01:00NicoFRnew one i mean
01:01:47lostlogicNicoFR: only found one international edition, in AUS, wants payment by wire or COD :(
01:01:55lostlogic(one international with a decent price)
01:02:15preglowwhy's it so important being international?
01:02:23NicoFRa friend of mine bought that one recently
01:02:36lokkiusbotg i think
01:02:53NicoFRwell the US H300 is moddable
01:03:03lostlogicyeah, looks like it just takes one wire
01:03:15lostlogicand I already have the international excessories (dock, etc)
01:03:32NicoFRaren't they the same ?
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01:04:47NicoFRlostlogic: what do you mean by 'payment by wire' ?
01:04:56thegeekbank transfer
01:05:16lokkipreglow: so should i try to copy all parts of the code that i need ifdefed and then make one "big" ifdef?
01:05:21NicoFRthat's what i presumed
01:05:38NicoFRbut so then lostlogic, what would you have preferred ?
01:06:01preglowlokki: copying code = bad
01:06:27preglowi was more thinking of finding other ways of doing it that doesn't need that many ifdefs
01:06:34preglowanyway, just toss a patch up somewhere and see what people say
01:06:38lokkiah ok
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01:09:54lokkibut i didn't program anything i just extended the current file with some #ifdefs... i feel so guilty :-) so i think a patch is not a good idea
01:10:17NicoFRpreglow: I'm not noticing any noise on mpc tracks that used to have one
01:10:38NicoFRso congratulations :)
01:11:18preglowlokki: well, the smaller the patch, the better!
01:11:42lokkiok maybe i'll give it a try
01:11:53preglowNicoFR: works fine here as well
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01:12:23lokkido you guys encode all your files with mpc ?
01:12:49preglowi like mpc, but you can't seek properly with it, so i don't use it much yet
01:12:49Mooslot of MPCs here, then thanks to preglow :P
01:12:51NicoFRI don't... I just happen to have an album in MPC format and I noticed the byg
01:12:57mirakcan memcpy(&mpeg2_mc,&mpeg2_mc_c,sizeof(mpeg2_mc_t)); replace mpeg2_mc = mpeg2_mc_c; with mpeg2_mc_t the type ?
01:12:59preglowi stick to vorbis
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01:13:22mirak mpeg2_mc_t is a struct
01:13:26preglowmirak: yeah
01:13:40NicoFRbtw preglow, I saw seeking was disabled because too slow...
01:13:43mirakpreglow: this is where the memcpy was hidden
01:13:46preglowNicoFR: correct
01:13:51NicoFRany chance for it beeing quicker on day ?
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01:13:52preglowmirak: and no surprise
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01:14:02preglowNicoFR: that depends entirely on the musepack people
01:14:02NicoFRone day
01:14:09mirakpreglow: I had that error on xvid too
01:14:22preglowNicoFR: for the current musepack format the chances are very small, they'll have to make a new stream format
01:14:36preglowNicoFR: there exists a quick seeking hack, but that sometimes just makes noise, so i'm not willing to include it
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01:16:01lokkiups...the peakmeter is too big for the remote...
01:16:18lokkii only see part of it
01:16:47NicoFRso if i understand correctly, no chance of getting seeking on current MPC files, even if the decoder were optimized a little more ?
01:16:58NicoFRwhat is needed is a new file format ?
01:19:30preglowNicoFR: yes
01:20:13NicoFRhmm... i'm glad i stayed with ogg
01:20:40NicoFRmy friend who recently bought an h340 has a lot of MPC encoded albums
01:20:41preglowthe musepack bitstream format itself is flawed, so you can't seek properly
01:21:50NicoFRand is the codec still evolving ?
01:22:02preglowthey lack coders
01:27:18NicoFRso still some hope left then :)
01:28:52NicoFRbtw on the iriver rockbox vs stock feature comparison table, it says 'Gapless Music Playback : Yes (LAME MP3 & OGG)'
01:29:02NicoFRthe '(LAME MP3 & OGG)' seems a bit strange to me
01:29:30webguest05Which extension is expected for AAC? (I know it doesn't run realtime)
01:29:35markunNicoFR: because there is no flac, wavpack, wav etc?
01:29:40NicoFRare there any formats besides non-LAME MP3 that are non gapless in rockbox ?
01:30:00webguest05aac probably isn't
01:30:05webguest05Other than not running realtime
01:31:57Moos1:31! :)
01:32:16NicoFRwebguest05: at one point AAC files need "*.mp4"
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01:33:08DreamTactix291AAC isn't gapless by nature and only one encoder adds any form of gapless info
01:33:10NicoFRbut it seems to have been solved
01:34:39preglowaac isn't, ac3 probably isn't
01:35:14NicoFRbut FLAC, WV ad MPC definitly are ?
01:36:44webguest05NicoFR: what does it need now?
01:37:06NicoFRi think it can also use m4a
01:37:45NicoFRthere used to be a problem because m4a is shared between ALAC and AAC but it has been solved
01:39:17webguest05so both use m4a?
01:39:37webguest05Trying to play an aac file with .m4a extension just shows "loading..." for a while, then nothing
01:39:59NicoFRand if you use mp4 ?
01:40:02markunI've also seen .wav files with mp3 data in them
01:40:03webguest05That is, it just returns to the dirbrowser
01:40:43webguest05NicoFR: "loading..." for a split-second, then returns to dirbrowser
01:41:31NicoFRwell i think you have to wait till AAC plays realtime ;-)
01:42:37webguest05Alac plays nicely though, with m4a extension
01:43:39preglowsome aac files just don't work
01:43:45preglowthe aac codec has not seen much work yet
01:45:01DreamTactix291Musepack is gapless
01:45:05DreamTactix291and all lossless codecs are by nature
01:45:21DreamTactix291MP3 isn't natively but the LAME way of tagging it is pretty widespread now
01:45:22webguest05Ah, istr this one working at some point, but oh well
01:45:41DreamTactix291Nero adds gapless information into the MP4 container for the AAC files it produces
01:46:20lostlogicI should sell my 40G drive and battery and LCD from this thing
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01:46:35DreamTactix291lostlogic: did your H340 die?
01:46:43lostlogicDreamTactix291: I murdered it.
01:47:04lostlogicfutzing with a cheap power supply and the PCF50606 control registers.
01:47:09NicoFRlostlogic: about ebay H340s... how do you want to be able to pay ?
01:47:24DreamTactix291i'm hoping not to kill my H140
01:47:49lostlogicNicoFR: dunno, a replacement at 250 would be nice, but I doubt that'll happen
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01:51:16preglowgrah, i need to sleep soon
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02:01:58RotAtoRpreglow: no more buzzing with musepack on all the tracks i've tested, unfortunately now there is a small popping sound between each track :(
02:02:35RotAtoRyup, on every track change
02:02:42preglowi didn't notice that
02:02:50NicoFRi didn't either
02:03:00preglowand the album i listened to needed gapless
02:03:13RotAtoRi can clearly hear them with my shure e3s, they're very sensitive headphones
02:03:26preglowi'll try with these beyerdynamics
02:03:45RotAtoRand the pops definitely weren't there before today's patch
02:04:48RotAtoRbut at least there's no more buzzing! :D
02:06:11preglowgimme five more minutes and i'll verify if there's any pops here
02:06:12preglowbut hell
02:06:17preglowi can't imagine what's up
02:06:37RotAtoRok, i'll keep testing more as well
02:07:15Jungti1234preglow, don't you sleep? :)
02:07:38preglowJungti1234: i'm about to, don't worry
02:09:34NicoFRI can't hear that pop noise
02:10:46preglowi heard a tiny pop, i think
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02:11:19RotAtoRhmm, tried it on another album and no popping here
02:11:20preglowi'll try another track
02:11:52RotAtoRbut it's definitely there now on other albums
02:12:22preglowit's damn hard to hear
02:12:27preglowbut i THINK i catch something
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02:13:53preglowoh, it's there alright
02:14:10preglowoh well
02:14:18preglowright now i'm yawning every other second
02:14:26preglowi'll see if i can look at it tomorrow
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02:16:53NicoFRgood night
02:16:59NicoFRgoing to bed too actually
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05:03:46lostlogicare we going to be splitting the iRam 50/50 on the 128k devices like on the 96k devices, or 48/80 or what?
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11:09:13Learpreglow: did you write the mp4 metadata parser?
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11:12:22amiconnI just changed the plugin/codec linker script to not include the .bss section in the binary
11:12:43amiconn(both plugin & codec loader make sure the section is zeroed, so no other changed is needed for that)
11:12:57amiconnThe size difference is *huge* for some codecs and plugins...
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11:13:35LearLike faad by any chance?
11:13:42amiconnI'll do the same for .ibss next, but that requires some changes
11:13:58amiconnaac.codec is 295KB now
11:14:09amiconnOf course the RAM requirement doesn't decrease
11:14:20LearWow, that's a 25% reduction, or something like that?
11:14:30amiconn...but making the files smaller has advantages, as they need to be buffered
11:15:00amiconnWas 421KB before, so 30% reduction
11:15:39amiconnrockboy.rock: ~400KB -> 77KB
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11:36:04readingfanmananybody own an ihp120?
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11:37:12readingfanmanhow can i get scratches out of my iriver? i have heard brasso is good
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11:40:45markungood morning mirak :)
11:42:00markunSome fps tests today?
11:49:41readingfanmanhow can i get scratches out of my iriver? i have heard brasso is good
11:50:38markunreadingfanman: I really don't know
11:51:27markunMaybe ask in MR
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11:52:40readingfanmanok then
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13:21:30t0masdoes rockbox play AAC atm?
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13:24:44Learyes, but slowly...
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13:48:05lokkiamiconn, are you there?
13:49:32lokkipreglow: awake?
13:50:05lokkii have a question concerning plugin.h
13:50:48lokkiwhy is screen_access.h not included?
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13:51:09lokkiinstead there is lcd.h and lcd_remote.h
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13:52:12lokkihi petur
13:52:28lokkido you have an answer to my question
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13:52:58lokkiwhy is screen_access.h not included in plugin.h
13:53:09lokkiinstead there is lcd.h and lcd_remote.h
13:53:23peturno idea
13:53:54peturaren't you supposed to access everything through the plugin api?
13:54:48lokkiif i want to display something on the remote how would i do it without screen_access? and without a lot of #ifdefs
13:55:06peturin a plugin?
13:55:37petursorry, I'm not (yet) an RB guru ;)
13:55:47lokkino problem
13:58:36lokkinow i see what you mean...
13:58:49lokkiby plugin api
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13:59:27lokkiit's my first try on a plugin
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13:59:50t0masmy new iptables rule makes connecting to FreeNode way faster...
14:00:00darklesswhat did you change?
14:00:15t0maswell.. I just DROP all traffic that's unsollicitated
14:00:29t0masbut that also drops tcp port 113 (ident) which makes connecting to freenode slow...
14:00:42t0masyou have to wait like 30 seconds for a timeout before it continues
14:01:18darklessah yes, the ident port needs to be reset, not dropped. It improves POP3 as well, since it uses the ident service as well
14:01:30t0masso I added a rule using the recent module
14:01:51t0masif I connect to tcp port 25, 110 or 6667 on some server, it puts that server in a 'recent' list
14:01:56t0mas(you know that module?)
14:02:02darklesshardcoding iptables rules, or using a frontend of some sorts like eg. shorewall
14:02:13t0masand it rejects tcp port 113 for 60 seconds instead of dropping it
14:02:25darklesssame here
14:02:26t0maswrote my own scripts a long time ago...
14:02:33t0masI don't like shorewall etc...
14:02:44t0mascuz I don't know exactly what it's doing...
14:02:49darklessI haven't experimented much with the various modules, basic functionality works for me
14:03:07t0maswell the recent module rocks...
14:03:27darklessI use QoS and stateful packet inspection, but that's about it for me
14:03:28t0masyou can also check if people reached the end of the INPUT chain more than 5 times in 10 seconds for example...
14:03:35t0masand then drop all their traffic for 30 secs.
14:03:43t0mas(that makes portscans quite slow)
14:03:49darklessheh, good one
14:04:11t0masI'm still looking for a smart logparsing script or something...
14:04:16t0masjust to get people out of my SSH
14:04:31t0masIt logs about 500 login attempts / day
14:04:58t0masand I use this script not only on my two personal servers... I also use it at some test boxes I administer at work
14:05:02darklesswhy not "cat logfile | grep -v ssh" or something like that?
14:05:06_FireFly_t0mas: simply change the port on which sshd listen ;)
14:05:14darkless_FireFly_: heh
14:05:15t0mas_FireFly_: I can do that at home...
14:05:20t0masbut not with the work servers
14:05:26_FireFly_t0mas: why not
14:05:31t0masother use that too... and they hardly know what SSH is ;)
14:06:02_FireFly_the say that they should specifiy a other port in there ssh-client config ;)
14:06:13_FireFly_then say to them i mean
14:06:27t0maswell... there is a perl script
14:06:40t0maschecking logs... and blocking ip's after 3 failed root logins attempts
14:06:49t0masthat would work great too :)
14:06:55t0masbut I still haven't installed it
14:08:12t0masbingo.... here's the link:
14:08:36t0mashave to test it on some server first... but it might save me from a lot of long logcheck emails :)
14:10:11NicoFRwow just realized I could read AAC on my H300 :-o
14:10:20peturcan I bother anybody to give an opinion about the iRiver recording screen?
14:10:26_FireFly_NicoFR: but it isn't yet realtime
14:10:33NicoFRyes... I thought it would just not work
14:10:44NicoFRbut it does
14:10:48t0masbut it is playing them?
14:10:59NicoFRa 870 KBit/s podcast
14:11:07NicoFR80 KBit/s sorry
14:11:18t0masI would love to have it for some podcasts
14:11:39NicoFRbut what does "not realtime" imply exactly ?
14:11:47_FireFly_NicoFR: skipping
14:12:00NicoFRok that's what I thought
14:12:04NicoFRbut no skipping here
14:12:12_FireFly_because the buffer isn't filled fast enought from the decoder
14:13:14lokkipetur: i enabled it on the remote
14:13:51lokkipetur: i like it
14:13:58peturI'm adding decimator gain to the recording screen for otf changing, but the code is messy
14:14:16peturbecause the offsets differ between int mic and line in
14:14:32peturline offsets when changing stuff that is
14:14:37lokkido we really need more otf changing
14:14:45peturso break;
14:15:01peturweird irc client
14:15:37lokkithe info won't fit on the remote...
14:15:53peturwhen recording, I want to be able to change both analog gain and decimator
14:16:02lokkiyou are via the menu
14:16:05peturmaybe get rid of the balance ?
14:16:29peturhmmm - while I see the peakmeters...
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14:17:03lokkibalcance and peakmeter = good for me
14:17:57Learargh, is there no good documentation over the contents of an mp4 file? I've found some that only covers some parts, not the really interesting bits...
14:18:16lokkilear: aac is not opensource
14:18:34Learno, but there should be a spec somewhere, I'd gather...
14:19:02NicoFRdoes anyone know about docs for m4b file format ?
14:19:09NicoFR(m4a with bookmarks)
14:19:29NicoFRit would be really nice to get that in rockbox
14:19:33NicoFRfor podcasts...
14:19:50lokkipetur: i'm trying to add peakmeter support for the remote
14:20:13lokkiit displays the peakmeter, but it's still to big for the screen
14:20:33peturI saw that - good thing (even if I don't have/use a remote)
14:21:02lokkiit's good for recording live shows that you shouldn't record :-)
14:21:41peturI noticed most people mistake my H340 for a phone, so I don't have a problem there
14:21:53peturjust pretend I'm checking my phone ;)
14:22:09lokkiyeah, but you still need a good microphone...
14:22:14lokkion a phone?
14:22:50peturhard to see the black rwire when it's dark...
14:24:57peturthe recording screen could use some general setting handler like the settings menu has... this is just a mess atm :(
14:27:06lokkii didn't have a close look at the code... just changed the lcd_* parts
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14:34:30NicoFRnow m4a files refuse to load :(
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15:24:31markunDoes anyone know the framerate of the H300 LCD?
15:30:15preglowLear: linuxstb did that
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15:31:09dkflrkeh10 frame...
15:31:09LearAh, was wondering if he had any documentation and stuff...
15:31:09markunpreglow: pre-indexed addressing on the ARM doesn't change the base operand, does it?
15:32:38markundkflrkeh: Is that the actual framerate of the LCD or are you talking about xvid decoding in the iriver firmware?
15:32:48preglowmarkun: depends if you want it to or not
15:34:09markunpreglow: how can you tell the difference? MOV R0, [R1, #1] would not change R1 right?
15:34:50preglowstuff a ! after it, and it will
15:34:56preglowpost indexing always updates
15:35:04markunok, thanks
15:35:28markunpost indexing without updating is pretty useless :)
15:35:51preglowpretty much
15:36:02eli_shereripod video did wonders with their lcd screen it is super fast..
15:36:41markunWhen my calculations are correct the framerate of the Gigabeat LCD is 25
15:37:26markunAnd toshiba uses RGB 5:5:5:1. Don't know if RBG 5:6:5 looks better.
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15:41:30preglowwhat do you base those calculations on?
15:41:37FebsI've just finished updating the iAmp theme to work on the H300:
15:42:02FebsIf anyone notices any bugs or problems, let me know so that I can fix them before I upload the theme to the patch tracker.
15:43:09markunpreglow: The LCD init in the origial firmware
15:43:20markunAnd the datasheet
15:44:13markunWell, the datasheet of the S3C2440, not the LCD..
15:49:17peturFebs: there's a file in the bitmap dir ;)
15:51:07peturalso, it says 'track #xx from the LP' where I'd rather say CD of albumb :D
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15:52:33lostlogicdoes iPod have USB host controller / have it electrically connected to anything?
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15:53:36preglowi think the newer ones do
15:53:37lostlogicnvm, it does.
15:53:38preglowfrom photo and up
15:54:16lostlogicthe PP5022 shows it as being a single electrical connection for both host and device so that should mean it's wired.
15:55:00preglowthe one thing i do know is that it's software based :/
15:55:36lostlogicgah, right when I think that I'm going to shell out for the iPod's pretty screen you throw a wrench at me :-P
15:56:59preglowthat is a wrench indeed
15:57:06preglowthe ipl people haven't figured it out yet either
15:57:14markunlostlogic: just buy a gigabeat and help me out :)
15:57:19preglowcurrently they just boot to disk mode when you insert usb
15:57:30preglowcool, bryant fixed my bug for me :P
15:57:51lostlogicmarkun: what would make me choose gigabeat over iAudio X5L 30G?
15:58:19markunThe LCD screen maybe, but I don't know if you care about that
15:58:34preglowyou also don't yet know how easy the port will be
15:58:47preglowwhich should be resolved before he buys it for his primary player, heh
15:58:56lostlogicmarkun: does it play ogg out of the box?
15:59:04markunpreglow: well, at least we have all the datasheets
15:59:39markunlostlogic: no, it has quite a bad firmware. That's why it needs a rb port :)
15:59:54markunmp3, wma and wav
16:00:17preglowmarkun: all of them?
16:00:45markunpreglow: only the LCD is missing, but we have all the info from the original firmware
16:00:51preglowthen i guess you cleared that up right now
16:01:14markunDo you want to see my disassembled firmware so far?
16:01:52preglownot really, i'm trying to stay off rockbox today :>
16:01:55preglowperhaps some other time
16:02:05preglowi've got some other work that desperately needs doing
16:02:09lostlogicmarkun: link me to specs of the gigabeat
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16:04:16lostlogicthe stock firmware is linux based!?
16:04:45markunToshiba didn't bother adding a video player, they just released a new Gigabeat (with different hardware and running windows) to do that
16:04:59markunlostlogic: yes, does that matter?
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16:07:14markunone problem with the gigabeat is that we still don't know to which pins all the components are connected
16:07:38markunbut we can probably derive that from the init routines in the original bootloader
16:07:53lostlogicmarkun: if the stock firmware is linux based, it probably makes extracting information about it's functionality easier, and may even allow us to use the GPL to get more info out of toshiba
16:08:24preglowlostlogic: that's what he's done
16:08:34preglowbut toshiba are being prohibitively slow about it
16:08:45preglowi still believe we should tell the fsf about this
16:08:45markunlostlogic: I've mailed toshiba a month ago if I can get the source code. Last week they emailed me that they would ship it
16:09:20preglowthat is, shipping the source code is probably sufficient for the gpl anyway
16:09:23lostlogicI wouldn't sick FSF on them if they are being honest about shipping it.
16:09:49preglowbut they're bloody using ages
16:09:58preglowhow hard is it to send someone some source code?
16:10:05preglowanswer: it isn't
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16:10:58markunWell, the email is answered by a seperate helpdesk I think. They sayd something like "we will send your request to Toshiba and keep you updated"
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16:11:58lostlogicmarkun: does it have a line-in?
16:12:11markunlostlogic: no, unfortunately
16:12:37markunMaybe the line in is available on 1 of the pins of the dock connector
16:12:57lostlogic:( I really wish the X5L's LCD didn't suck so much, other than that, it's the perfect player for me.
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16:15:57preglowhow does it suck?
16:17:03markunnot that bad. My H120 is quite usable with that resolution.
16:17:19preglowit don't think that sounds too bad
16:17:23preglowbut yeah, that's me
16:18:00lostlogicam used to the 220xwhatevre of the H340 though, would hate to downgrade LCDs
16:18:35markunlostlogic: just buy a gigabeat and do a line-in mod. You only need 2 caps and some wires for it :)
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16:20:00markunAnd a very steady hand to solder the wires to the pins of the codec
16:20:40lostlogicok, I'm tempted by the gigabeat on accoutn of it's relative cheapness.. $200 for a 40G vs. $300 for a 30G X5L
16:21:00NicoFRan th screen....
16:21:07markunlostlogic: do you have windows on some computer?
16:21:24lostlogicmarkun: just my work laptop
16:21:58lostlogictoshiba has a nice trick there selling their player at barely over what other manufacturers can buy the _hard disks_ for...
16:22:07markunBecause although the gigabeat connects as a mass storage device, you still need a windows program to transfer files to it
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16:22:26markunbecause it only plays encrypted files
16:22:41dwihnoso silly
16:22:46lostlogicwell a gigabeat would be a brick for me until rockbox works on it any way, because I have 99% ogg/vorbis music
16:22:48markunBut rb will fix that of course
16:23:02markunI also have 100% ogg/vorbis
16:23:19petur? <markun> mp3, wma and wav
16:23:50markunpetur: so you see I'm motivated to port rb :)
16:24:09preglowwhat the hell is up with only playing encryptet files?
16:24:13pregloware they retarded, or what?
16:24:23peturif it's UMS and plays mp3, what's the problem?
16:24:32preglowmy theory of whisky consumption springs back to life
16:24:42markunprobably. And if you copy the encrypted files to your friends gigabeat.. it will also not be able to play them :)
16:25:02lostlogicmarkun: how's the battery life?
16:25:23markunI've not used it a lot, so I can't say for sure
16:25:36markunMaybe I can find some reports from real users
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16:28:39markunlostlogic: "The most ive got out of my F20 is 17hr's and 30 min"
16:29:02markunFrom TheFame (very regular poster) in
16:29:34markunBut with the default settings it will only last between 8-10 hours
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16:30:06markunIt keeps the LCD backlight on all the time (switches to a lower brightness after 20 seconds)
16:30:23markunbut you can change it to just go off after 5 or 10 seconds
16:30:51lostlogicwow, they are really confident in their battery to do that.
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16:31:55lostlogicI'm starting to lean back toward another H340 −− good screen, I have a 2200mAh battery for it, rockbox works, and I'm used to the controls
16:32:00lostlogicman, choosing a replacement DAP is hard work.
16:38:29markunlostlogic: it's not hard, you only have to listen to me :)
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16:42:11lostlogicmarkun: pusher.
16:42:45markunWould just be nice to have someone else working on it who knows something about rb
16:42:52NicoFRi think you should go for an H340 ;-)
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16:43:18markunMost of the gb owners know nothing about programming
16:43:45lostlogicI know nothing about programming **shiftyeyes** well nothing about ARM any way.
16:44:06preglowyou pick it up quickly
16:44:10preglowi didn't know shit either
16:44:16markunme neither
16:44:35dkflrkehipod photo style Is the reappearance possible?
16:44:54lostlogicARM is 2 address? ciscy or riscy?
16:45:12DBUGEnqueued KICK preglow
16:45:46markunlostlogic: what is 2 address?
16:46:21lostlogicoperation dst,src -> dst (or src,dst -> dst)
16:46:43lostlogicm68k is 2 address, mips is operation src1,src2 -> dst (3 address)
16:46:52markunarm is 3 address
16:47:05preglowadd r1, r2, r3 -> r1 = r2 + r3
16:47:16preglowmost of the instructions are in that form
16:47:31lostlogicI knew mips once, and that is like mips then, (both are riscy, 3 address)
16:47:51preglowlostlogic: they think the broadcom chip in the 5g uses mips
16:47:59preglowbut yeah, arm assembler is very nice
16:48:36preglowsimple pipeline, all instructions can be conditional, all are same size, and everything is very orthogonal
16:48:44dkflrkehI'm korean user..
16:49:04markundkflrkeh: do you also use a translation program like jungti?
16:49:05lostlogicyeah, not like m68k where instructions can be from 1 to 4 words :)
16:49:17dkflrkehyes i know
16:49:56dkflrkehJungti1234 It is an operator of the place where I am thin frequently
16:50:33preglow1 to 3 words, heh
16:50:36markunlostlogic: only problem is that the size of the binaries gets very big with ARM. But there is a special mode called THUMB that only uses 16 bits per instruction, but rb doesn't use it (yet)
16:51:19dkflrkehWe with ipod photo make same features.
16:52:02markundkflrkeh: you have a ipod photo?
16:52:23markunSoon (I hope) you can run rockbox on it
16:53:36lostlogicpreglow: can't the EMAC instructions get to 4 words?
16:53:42dkflrkehWhat the Korean users whom it sees when the music is remade, the photograph is wishing comes out together..
16:54:09preglowlostlogic: no, emacs are two words
16:55:12preglowif you use the parallel fetch version, it is two words, if not, it's just one word, i think
16:55:26preglowi forget this kind of thing too easily
16:55:57lostlogicmarkun: binary size can also be improved by using explicitly unsigned arguments where arguments are unsigned −− in working on Tremor for m68k, I saw a lot of places where there was duplicated code caused by compiler introduced branches to deal with positive vs negative operands.
16:57:23dkflrkehWith that photograph it was opened to the public to there is a same data?
16:59:24preglowlostlogic: how?
16:59:52lostlogicpreglow: if a variable will only ever be positive in this scope, cast it to unsigned
17:00:27lostlogicor if it's source var will only ever be unsigned then change the 'root var' to be unsigned
17:02:04preglowyes, but why the hell did gcc make different paths for unsigned and signed data? if you don't specify a signedness, it should default to signed and create code just for that
17:02:26lostlogicpreglow: no, it creates two code paths for negative and positives sometimes
17:02:30lostlogicparticularly for divisions
17:02:36dkflrkeh rayo
17:04:48dkflrkeh <=== With that photograph it was opened to the public to there is a same data?
17:05:32lostlogicdkflrkeh: don't understand your query.
17:06:10preglowdkflrkeh: i think you need to use a better translator
17:06:33dkflrkehi see..
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17:18:15lostlogicdkflrkeh: are you asking if something similar to that will be possible with rockbox on the iPod photo?
17:19:20markundkflrkeh: of course it will
17:19:56dkflrkehIt is opened to the public now?
17:20:06lostlogicdkflrkeh: the ipod port is not yet functional.
17:20:37dkflrkehi want h320 on rockbox
17:21:03dkflrkehipod photo style..
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17:22:22lostlogicmarkun: you think album art on the WPS will be possible on most newer targets? I'm not sure the coldfire based players have the horsepower for it
17:23:12markunlostlogic: If we save the album art as a bmp with the right size..
17:23:24lostlogicmarkun: ah, yah.
17:24:04lostlogicthe iPods can probably decode JPG on the fly with their larger iRam and second core.
17:27:01preglowmwell, don't expect too much
17:27:32dkflrkehNow the possibility of finding the source it is?
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17:30:36lostlogicdkflrkeh: still having a very hard time understanding you.
17:30:48lostlogicdkflrkeh: Rockbox is completely opensource if that is your query, but I don't think it is.
17:31:03markundkflrkeh: the source of what?
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17:48:58mirakthe mpeg2 lib once ported on rockbox fail
17:49:18mirakI don't know what it can come from but it looks similar to endianness problem with xvid
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18:39:43NicoFRlostlogic: is there a particular reason why your patch '[ 1387611 ] Tremor optimizations' hasn't been commited yet ?
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18:40:54lostlogicNicoFR: most of it has been −− some of the parts are intrusive with only small (<1% benefit and those are left out)
18:41:16NicoFRso basically there is no need to apply it in my build ?
18:41:51lostlogicLear has done a great job of snagging the best parts of my patches and making them better before applying them :)
18:42:42Learlostlogic: Glad you approved of my changes... :)
18:46:00lostlogicooh, the X5 has a real lineout, not a reduced power headphone out.
18:49:10NicoFRlostlogic: the A-B repeat is very nice too
18:49:38markunlostlogic: the GB only has a line out through the dock
18:49:48NicoFRespecially the abilty to move markers easily
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18:50:14lostlogicNicoFR: yeah, that was in the hwcodec version, and I had originally removed it, but then Ray on the devml suggested supporting both.
18:50:39NicoFRand there is no menu options for this by default ?
18:50:42lostlogicmarkun: yeah, it's only important to me at home for my speakers, so having it be on the dock is fine
18:51:30lostlogicNicoFR: in the hwcodec version, there was a menu option, but on a player like iRiver that has an extra button just sitting there, it didn't seem necessary. That's easily configurable by changing the AB_REPEAT_ENABLE value from 2 to 1 in the config-h300.h file.
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18:52:08markunlostlogic: this is the one I have btw:
18:52:27markunThe X30 and X60 have the same hardware but have a bigger screen and are smaller
18:52:47lostlogicmarkun: yeah, that's the one I've been looking at... I haven't seen any X series for sale.
18:52:56markunThe F41 is smaller than the F40 because it has the 1 platter 40GB HD
18:53:22lostlogicmarkun: I think I'm going to settle on the iAudio though −− $300 from newegg and it has all the features I want, the only drawback is the stupid damn stupid low res screen.
18:54:15markunMaybe I get linuxstb to buy one then :)
18:54:32lostlogicmarkun: :) −− does he swim in money or something?
18:54:54markunProbably not no
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18:55:17markunbut still.. :)
18:56:26lostlogicI wish I could afford to have multiple serious audio players... I'd love to have a gigabeat, ipod 5g, and iAudio to play with.
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19:01:37XavierGrHi all!
19:03:17lostlogic impressive 1.8in hard drive selection
19:04:45muesli__hi XavierGr, well shaked, everything ok over there?
19:04:57XavierGryeah sure :)
19:05:08XavierGrnothing major it was a deep one!
19:05:27muesli__but looked scary though ;)
19:06:34XavierGrit was the biggest I have felt so far
19:07:47muesli__northern europe is pretty quakefree..didnt experience any so far
19:08:21mirakmarkun: it doesnt work :(
19:08:36mirakI don't know what's the problem but the sequence says invalid state
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19:18:56XavierGranyone using KDE here?
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19:23:21markunmirak: but it works on the PC?
19:24:30mirakit works on the pc
19:24:36mirakit's works also on ppc
19:24:44mirakI have linux on a mac
19:24:50mirakso it's big endian but it works
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19:29:03lokkiXavierGr: i use kde...
19:29:54lokkiXavierGr: why?
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19:39:36LlamaGuyI don't know much C but I've been trying to figure this out...How would I tweak the source so that pressing the Rec button on the H300 opens up the 'View Current Playlist' screen?
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19:40:27LlamaGuySeeing that it currently has no function.
19:40:50saa[b_r]iderRoTaToR: is 220 X 176 big enough? I'm not aware of the iPod's dimensions
19:41:33dkflrkehwhere is h320 rockbox jpg viewer plugin?
19:41:40saa[b_r]iderthere is none
19:41:51saa[b_r]iderthere's a BMP viewer though
19:42:03dkflrkehbmp viewer?
19:42:15dkflrkehplay with show bmp?
19:42:24ts-xlostlogic: fewer choices, but better prices:
19:42:54saa[b_r]iderdkflrkeh: umm, I haven't really tested it.
19:43:04dkflrkeh is this?
19:43:11dkflrkeh <== is this?
19:43:46saa[b_r]iderthat was just testing... but that was done using BMP
19:44:01saa[b_r]iderI forgot who did that
19:44:08t0masany music lovers around?
19:44:10CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:44:10*t0mas is listening to 14. Maria Daines - Rollin'
19:44:15saa[b_r]iderare you a friend of jungti?
19:44:15t0masnumber 2 there
19:44:58saa[b_r]idercool :0
19:45:04dkflrkehmany korean h320 users want playing with album bmp show...
19:45:25saa[b_r]iderme too ;)
19:45:56RotAtoRsaa[b_r]ider: eventually I may need a background as big as 320x240 if I plan on supporting the ipod video.
19:46:05RotAtoRbut 220x176 is big enough for now
19:46:22dkflrkehh320 Is the user many?
19:46:41saa[b_r]iderk, I'll make the box-free one now...
19:46:54RotAtoRok, thanks :)
19:47:01saa[b_r]iderdkflrkeh, I own an H340, and there are many H300 users at misticriver
19:47:19saa[b_r]iderbut I think it's not very popular in korea
19:48:17XavierGrlokki: Are you here?
19:48:33lokkiXavierGr: yes
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19:48:55XavierGrcan you have mutliple folder settings in KDE?
19:49:03XavierGrBut not only position or size
19:49:09dkflrkehMy hand phone playing movie 640*480 vga ...
19:49:23XavierGrwhat about view-modes (tree-multicolumn
19:49:39dkflrkeh640*480 vga 30fps...
19:49:42dkflrkehand tv-out..
19:49:51dkflrkehLg phone.. Kv-5500
19:50:34saa[b_r]iderthe CDMA phones in korea are very advanced
19:50:35lokkii don't think so...
19:51:14dkflrkehmy brother phone support DMB...
19:51:43XavierGrlokki you were talking to me? So there is no possible way eh?
19:51:53lokkibut i never tried, i'm not so much into kde..
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19:52:06XavierGrI ill ask elsewhere then
19:52:17lokkiwhy do you want it that way?
19:52:22XavierGrthing is that it can keep many settings but from what I see so far not view modes
19:52:24dkflrkehwps color support very good....!!!!
19:52:33saa[b_r]iderRoTaToR: posted
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19:52:57dkflrkehh320 not jpg viewer?
19:53:04XavierGrlokki: I am switching from Windows XP and I am used to that. Also I am very itchy when it comes to windows size position and appearance
19:53:19dkflrkehihp-100 series have a jpg viewer...
19:53:40saa[b_r]iderno colored jpeg viewer yet
19:53:42dkflrkehthat is viewer not support h320?
19:54:11saa[b_r]iderdkflrkeh: I think you'll like this:
19:54:56RotAtoRsaa[b_r]ider: thanks
19:55:20saa[b_r]iderany time
19:56:17dkflrkehiriver rockbox does not know well..
19:56:27lokkiXavierGr: i think i have a solution
19:57:23XavierGrI am all ears
19:57:24dkflrkehh300 series... h10 ... jpg viewer ....poor....
19:57:43lokkiXavierGr: go to the settings menu in kde and select "save view changes per folder"
19:57:46dkflrkehI'll buy U10...
19:58:03lokkithen change the view mode the way you want it
19:58:08saa[b_r]iderU10 is expensive, with very little space
19:58:24saa[b_r]iderlooks nice though
19:58:32lokkiand then go to settings, save view profile filemanagment
19:58:42dkflrkehThe recent price fell plentifully
19:59:30eli_shererjpeg is gonna be a peice of cake as soon as i'm done with gif...that's because i need to get around the little space each plugin get for buffer...(memory allocation and stuff)
19:59:32saa[b_r]iderI like 40 GB :) I'll get a U10 when it has that much disk space ;)
20:00:01saa[b_r]idereli: but that's not your surprise is it?
20:00:11dkflrkehU10 1gb set => 237.83 usd...
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20:00:24XavierGrlokki: Which distor ado you have? Settings you mean in the manu bar of each instance of konqueror or other settings? (mine doesn't have this)
20:01:23lokkiXavierGr: in the menu bar of konqueror
20:01:38dkflrkehwhat do you using incoding software?
20:02:10lokkiwhat do you see when you open konqueror?
20:02:40XavierGrlokki: yeah but it seems that mine doesnt have the "save view changes per folder" only the "Save View profile"
20:03:02XavierGrlokki: well my home directory with the menu bar on top
20:03:25saa[b_r]iderIt's been a long time since I last ripped CDs. I used to use CDEX.... now there's EAC
20:03:55saa[b_r]iderbut I use Virtualdub for video
20:04:00lokkiwhat version of konqueror/kde do you have -> help -> about-konqueror help -> about-kde
20:04:05dkflrkehipod photo sumnail function is enviable too much
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20:04:33dkflrkehI have very easy incoding program..
20:04:50lokkiXavierGr: that's probably it...
20:04:55lokkii use 3.5
20:05:02XavierGrthere is a 3.5?
20:05:05XavierGrmy god!
20:05:15dkflrkehbut not support english..
20:05:16lokkiwhat distro?
20:05:22XavierGrcan I update? Kubuntu
20:05:27lostlogicNicoFR: you'll be happy to know that I just bid on a used H340... I don't think I'll win, but if I do, back to H340 coding I go ;)
20:05:38eli_sherersaa[b_r]ider: no it isn't
20:05:46lokkikubuntu is debian based?
20:05:51saa[b_r]iderthat can be a problem dkflrkeh :)
20:05:59NicoFRhow much is your bid ?
20:06:19*saa[b_r]ider uses debian based Mepis
20:06:46saa[b_r]idereli: I'm guessing you won't give us any hints, but any ETA?
20:06:58lokkiXavierGr: there is a package for kubuntu, but 3.5 is beta...
20:07:06XavierGrwell I am a hard-core Windows user but know I think it is time to get rid of Microsoft
20:07:15XavierGrok thanks
20:07:27lokkiso far i had no problems with it
20:07:27*eli_sherer want to say he took some time off the army and this week he is gonna be home...programming to your enjoymeny!
20:07:35lokkibut i use gentoo not kubuntu
20:07:51dkflrkehrockbox not support bmp viewer?
20:07:51eli_sherersaa[b_r]ider: i estimate by tomorrow...
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20:08:07saa[b_r]idernice.. good luck!
20:08:44saa[b_r]iderdkflrkeh: use eli_sherer's Rockpaint plug-in to view BMPs
20:09:56dkflrkeh <=== It means that I dream
20:11:54saa[b_r]iderI think that can be possible in the future...
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20:14:24dkflrkehcolor patch when about is the end ?
20:15:41dkflrkehoriginal iriver firmware not possible editing?
20:15:55saa[b_r]iderwhich color patch?
20:16:20dkflrkehplaying with view album jaket..
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20:16:58saa[b_r]iderno one knows :) slowly but enevitably
20:18:01dkflrkehI'm tired..
20:18:09dkflrkehGo to bedroom
20:18:11dkflrkehgood bye..
20:18:25dkflrkehsee you again..
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20:48:47markunlostlogic: man, I forgot that you ruined your H340! The Gigabeat would really not be a very good choice without a rb port as your only player..
20:53:50preglowi said that hours ago...
20:55:40markunI'm a bit slow today
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21:00:16markunpreglow: is it only important to know the LCD driver? Doesn't the actual LCD module dictate the timings?
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21:12:51preglowit's the lcd controller that dictates timings
21:13:00preglowwhat's an lcd driver?
21:13:05preglowthat's software, yeah?
21:13:08markunI'm a bit confused..
21:13:21markunThe S3C2440 has a LCD controller
21:14:01markunI wanted to go looking for the datasheet of the LCD
21:15:00markunDo other players like the ipod for example not have a integrated LCD controller?
21:15:11preglowunless i'm completely confused, an lcd module consists of two things: the actual display, and a controller chip that drives it
21:15:25preglowi don't know about the ipod, but i don't think so
21:15:40preglowon the h1x0 you've just got the controller chip hooked directly up to the data bus
21:16:58NicoFRthere's something i'm wondering... how are the settings stored in rockbox ?
21:17:06NicoFRit doesn't seem to be in a file...
21:17:07markunBut to find the settings to write to the LCD controller I would need the datasheet of the LCD module, no?
21:17:31markunNicoFR: they are stored in the first sector of the HD
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21:22:28peturiRiver users using recording: proposal to implement gain setting as gain and balance (is now: gain, gain left, gain right)
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21:26:39preglowi rather like having left and right there, but an option to link them would be good
21:28:56peturit's just that it looks so clumsy now and takes 3 rows
21:29:44peturif I add both analog and digital gain, that's 6 rows for gain
21:30:49peturI would implement it as a pos/neg value that indicates how many dB L/R is lower
21:31:39peturso balance of -6 would mean right channel is 6dB lower than left
21:33:02peturAs I rarely use balance, I'd hate setting gain by L/R separately (slow and error-prone)
21:33:15*petur ends monologue now ;)
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21:39:05markunpreglow: ok, I now understand the LCD controler is not the same as the LCD driver: "The TIMEGEN consists of programmable logic to support the variable requirements of interface timing and rates commonly found in different LCD drivers."
21:39:57b0brpetur: agreed.. and maybe later with some kind of graphic indicator, something like this: ..............0....|........... if it's understandable..
21:40:35peturpossibly yes...
21:41:16peturI'm going to implemet it that way, we'll see if it gets CVS blessing...
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21:41:51peturbtw, analog/digital gain otf is nice - have been playing with it this afternoon.
21:42:38b0brwaht is exactly the difference?
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21:44:20peturthe iRiver audio chip has analog gain and a decimator (also gain but digital)
21:45:12peturatm, the digital one is only changeable in settings, not otf
21:46:37darklesshow far down does the decimator extend?
21:46:49preglowmarkun: sounds like the chip's got some kind of integrated lcd interface
21:47:01markunyes, it has
21:47:11preglownot bad
21:47:18preglowmight speed up the lcd quite a bit
21:47:24b0bris there a way to write a smart automatic gain control ?
21:47:50b0brrecording gain
21:48:18darklesshmm, that would require some sort of RTA... wouldn't that be rather expensive, computationally?
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21:48:50markunpreglow: It has a LCD DMA which writes the video data to the LCD 16 bytes at a time, but I don't know if that's good.
21:51:02peturnow that's a nice idea... some kind of auto-clipping prevention: if sound goes above a treshold, decrease gain...
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21:53:42preglowmarkun: well, it's tons better than nothing
21:54:11b0brminidisc has such feature, but it's unusable b/c it decreases gain in jumps and its disturbing in the final recording..
21:55:09b0brand it can't handle dynamic parts as needed
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21:55:34preglowwell, such a feature needs a good amount of lookahead
21:55:36preglowbut not too hard
21:58:11Paul_The_NerdI saw some discussion on a Line In on iPods in the log, and I can't remember where but I remember someone mentioning that there was one on the Nano through the dock port, but nothing used it yet.
21:58:45mirakthe simulator for X is still broken ?
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21:59:56MmmmPetur: about the recording gain control.. Would it be a good idea to only have one gain control that automatically starts increasing digital gain after anologue gain has maxxed?
22:00:16Mmmmsor of like zoom on digital cameras
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22:00:52b0brwell some kind of momentum would do the job i think - problem is that minidisc increases gain in quiet parts which adds noise and then when somethin louder comes, gain goes down dramatically and you hear it as a click :(
22:01:48preglowPaul_The_Nerd: the ipod diagnostic screen has a line in entry on the nano
22:02:01preglowPaul_The_Nerd: apple does not advertise that the nano can record, though
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22:20:48Paul_The_NerdI'll just be happy when I can play MP3s properly on my Nano (though once Rockbox is on it and well, I suspect I'll be using Oggs)
22:26:35NicoFRis there somewhere where I can easily change the version text displayed under the logo when reockbox finishes booting ?
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22:43:27*lostlogic is the proud owner of a new-to-me iRiver H340 but US version.
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22:44:15markunlostlogic: congrats!
22:44:42lostlogicnow I have to patiently wait for UPS to get it to me.
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22:47:01peturwow, that's good news lostlogic! Maybe you can have the missing components transferred from your dead unit to get usbotg again ;)
22:47:28lostlogicpetur: yeah, am thinking about it −− the USBOTG mods that othyer people have done don't look too hard either.
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22:54:35amiconnpetur: There's an old idea of mine to reduce the gain settings from 3 to 2 rows in the recording screen - without giving up separate L and R sliders
22:55:09amiconnInstead of having a separate slider for the combined setting, simply mark both sliders to indicate the coupled state
22:55:47peturand in the settings have a lock switch?
22:56:08peturto toggle locked/unlocked
22:56:23preglowamiconn: yes, i'm with you on that one
22:56:30amiconnWhat settings? I'm talking about the gain values in the recording screen
22:56:55peturI'talking about the fact that thos gain sliders are locked or not
22:57:38amiconnToday, you move the bar/pointer with up/down. The 'locked' state would just be one of those steps
22:58:08peturthat's what we have now
22:58:23petura line with gain (locked) and then both separate
22:58:47amiconnPerhaps I wasn't clear enough
22:59:04amiconnOf course I want the separate slider for the combined state removed
22:59:42peturI think I'm getting it
22:59:59amiconnYou would move up & down through the settings: Volume <-> Left Gain <-> Left+Right (NOT as a separate slider) <-> Right Gain
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23:01:13peturor L - R - BOTH or the other way around ;)
23:01:16amiconnFor tbe two gain settings on iriver: I think it would be easier to use if both gain settings would be combined into one large-range setting
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23:01:56MmmmAha....that's what I was saying earlier! :D
23:02:39peturshould be possible - a bit more work but that's ok :)
23:03:07amiconnThe GUI work will be less, the low-level work a bit more
23:03:25peturand figure out as way to indicate what we're doing
23:03:34MmmmSo it increases the analogue first then the digital just like the zoom on a didital camers!
23:03:36Paul_The_NerdY'know, I just thought of something
23:04:15Mmmmdigital camera
23:04:26Paul_The_NerdI seem to recall at some point someone mentioning not feeling like they had enough buttons to do what they needed to, and I was thinking, outside of the while playing screen, it's hardly necessary for the hold switch to actually put the buttons on hold (assuming that's a software handled function of it.)
23:04:29amiconnAhahaha, funny bug:
23:04:49amiconnTry setting the digital gain below zero. Watch the display
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23:07:17petur0.-5 dB
23:07:24amiconn-1.-5 dB
23:07:30NicoFRlostlogic: congrats on your H340 ;-)
23:07:33peturyea.. lol
23:07:45Paul_The_Nerd-1.-5 dB? Seriously?
23:08:15NicoFRso would anyone know how to change the text under the logo at boot ?
23:08:23mirak_when you have a = b = c = 2 a,b,c equals 2 ?
23:08:52NicoFRmirak: (a,b,c)=(2,2,2)
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23:12:30peturamiconn: do we fake stereo gain on mono mic? because analog gain is mono but decimator has L/R
23:13:09peturbut how to explain the user when changing analog L that R is also changing
23:17:01MmmmCan't you keep the two L/R channel display?
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23:17:36peturyes, but while changing analog gain, both L and R will change together as it's mono...
23:19:40MmmmThat's ok isn't it?
23:20:01Mmmmgain is only mono for the internal mic though isnt it?
23:20:07lodesimmh.. is there any way to set the font(other than FONT_*) from a plugin ?
23:20:12LearYay, new mp4 metadata parser seems to work (mostly).
23:20:12peturmaybe a bit weird, because as soo as you get to digital gain, they change separately
23:21:13Mmmmahh... I see what you mean now! :)
23:21:14preglowLear: new? what's changed?
23:21:28*amiconn wonders why some codecs use the (proper) #ifdef USE_IRAM, and others use the (non-ideal) #ifndef SIMULATOR
23:21:48Learwell, for one, I can actually play a couple of mp4:s I have here... :)
23:22:15LearAlso supports replaygain (Foobar style, I guess).
23:22:27Lear(Haven't verified that bit yet though.)
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23:23:07LearShould be more flexible too, and thus support more files.
23:23:10preglowamiconn: all codecs i've updated use USE_IRAM
23:23:45amiconnI've fixed that locally
23:23:47preglowi planned to update all of them to use USE_IRAM, but i never did it for some reason
23:24:26amiconnWow.. filesize significantly decreased again
23:25:36amiconnThis morning: .bss not in binary. Now: .ibss not in binary
23:25:41amiconn(codecs and plugins)
23:26:20preglowright, but how do you know check to see if a plugin is too large to be loaded?
23:26:26preglowor is this checked compile time?
23:26:37amiconnIf it's too large, it wouldn't build
23:26:42MmmmPetur: at the moment you appear to be able to change analogue gain for L&R separately.
23:26:55amiconnThe linker would fail with 'region blah is full'
23:27:17peturMmmm: but not if you select MIC
23:27:30peturand now I got to go ;)
23:28:51Mmmmsee ya
23:29:21amiconnNow on to testing this...
23:30:37NicoFRlear: you can play mp4 files on iriver ?
23:31:08Learnicofr: in simulator, yes.
23:31:44NicoFRthat's nice to hear :)
23:31:57NicoFRand do you have info about m4b bookmarks ?
23:32:07LearJust got it working in the simulator, so I haven't had a chance to test on target just yet.
23:32:14LearNo m4b info though.
23:32:29LearWas bad enough to get info on m4a. :)
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23:32:37amiconna52.codec: 51KB->31KB, aac.codec: 421KB->253KB
23:32:51amiconnalac.codec: 44KB->12KB
23:32:54NicoFRit would be real nice to have good m4b support but there seems to be very little info available
23:33:12amiconnflac.codec: 85KB->10KB
23:33:47Moosw00t :)
23:34:03amiconnRAM usage of the codec itself doesn't change
23:34:31amiconn...but it will take less time to load from disk, and less space in the buffer when codec changes are needed
23:34:42Mulzi-SAWcan someone help me with convertig .bdf to .fnt?
23:34:44Mulzi-SAWconvbdf sais "Error: no memory for font load, Error reading font header"
23:34:46*preglow hugs flac
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23:37:03LearHrm, looks like FAAD doesn't like replaygain tags... Got an init failure with a tagged file.
23:38:12LearOr maybe that should be foobar tags...
23:38:15MmmmPetur, you still there?
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23:57:40peturamiconn: I'll go ahead with what we discussed earlier then, and fake stereo on mono mic. So gain will always be L/R with a special lock selection
23:58:54preglowamiconn: i think it's time to just make the iram copy/clear action a macro of its own

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