| 00:00:31 | linuxstb | Another alternative is to use "dd" to read the first 63 sectors (or however many there are before the first sector of the boot partition) from /dev/sdb, and then cat that file and rockboot.bin together, and then use dd to write the combined file back to /dev/sdb |
| 00:01:19 | linuxstb | It _should_ be possible in Windows - it's just that no-one has spent any time working out how to do it yet. |
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| 00:08:26 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: ping |
| 00:08:48 | BHSPitMonkey | the loader is just says "loading original firmware" when i think it should be going to the apple fw |
| 00:08:51 | BHSPitMonkey | seems stuck |
| 00:08:58 | BHSPitMonkey | how long should it take? |
| 00:09:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: The archos recorder & Ondio firmwares play .mp2 straight away iirc. Only the good old player requires renaming to .mp2 |
| 00:09:16 | amiconn | (of course not with rockbox :-) ) |
| 00:10:41 | linuxstb | I seem to remember my v1 recorder needing them renaming - but I could be wrong. |
| 00:11:00 | amiconn | Perhaps archos changed that at some point. |
| 00:11:32 | linuxstb | Maybe - it would have been a simple fix. |
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| 00:12:14 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: Not long at all. Are you using the very latest Rockbox CVS? |
| 00:12:15 | amiconn | The latest v1 firmware does show .mp2 |
| 00:12:22 | amiconn | (I roloed archos 1.27d) |
| 00:12:57 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: i built the firmware and the bootloader from different computers, but they're both from yesterday |
| 00:13:18 | linuxstb | That's nice to know. But there's no need for anyone to use the Archos firmware anyway... |
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| 00:13:33 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: Does Rockbox itself load? |
| 00:13:34 | BHSPitMonkey | the bootloader i just built/installed only successfully boots to rockbox |
| 00:13:39 | BHSPitMonkey | and then i don't know what to do in it :P |
| 00:13:47 | BHSPitMonkey | just shows my filesystem |
| 00:13:57 | linuxstb | Press MENU for the menu. |
| 00:14:07 | BHSPitMonkey | says nothing to resume. |
| 00:14:11 | BHSPitMonkey | same thing as with the sim |
| 00:14:26 | linuxstb | Try it again... |
| 00:14:36 | BHSPitMonkey | "Nothing to resume." |
| 00:14:59 | linuxstb | I haven't used Rockbox on the Nano, so I don't know how well it works, or what the bugs are. |
| 00:16:27 | linuxstb | A month or so the Rockbox bootloader stopped loading the Apple firmware. I recently committed some fixes which mean it works on the Color/Photo and the Video, but I haven't tested it on the Nano. |
| 00:17:09 | BHSPitMonkey | well it's not working at the moment on mine, i'll update in a lil bit... |
| 00:17:30 | BHSPitMonkey | and when i try to load linux, it says that it's loading, and it shows the size of the kernel... |
| 00:18:18 | linuxstb | When you did "cvs update", which directory were you in? You need to update files in both the bootloader/ and firmware/ directories. |
| 00:18:33 | BHSPitMonkey | it's not recursive? |
| 00:18:36 | linuxstb | The symptoms sound like the problems I had before I committed my fixes. |
| 00:18:43 | linuxstb | Yes, it's recursive. |
| 00:18:50 | BHSPitMonkey | well i always do it from rockbox-devel |
| 00:19:11 | linuxstb | Then you should have the latest files... |
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| 00:25:02 | BHSPitMonkey | tried again... |
| 00:25:16 | BHSPitMonkey | "Loaded Linux: 1650596 bytes" |
| 00:25:35 | BHSPitMonkey | or "Loading original firmware..." |
| 00:25:52 | * | BHSPitMonkey returns to ipodloader2 for time being :) |
| 00:26:10 | amiconn | kkurbjun: (rockboy) Would it be possible to auto-detect the necessary frameskip? |
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| 00:29:57 | * | Bagder checks the xobox source code |
| 00:31:16 | Bagder | Code Police material ;-) |
| 00:32:12 | LinusN | hehe |
| 00:32:31 | LinusN | h300 bootloader v4 is released, with usb mode |
| 00:32:34 | Bagder | lots of tabs, C++ comments and odd formatting |
| 00:32:35 | * | amiconn wonders wth xobox is :/ |
| 00:32:48 | Bagder | amiconn: some kind of game eli_sherer wrote |
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| 00:34:23 | muesli__ | cheers LinusN |
| 00:34:52 | muesli__ | i wish i could flash...my hdd decided to say good bye |
| 00:37:37 | LinusN | oh |
| 00:38:17 | muesli__ | it just arrived..built in my bigger sized battery and two boots l8er it was gone ;) |
| 00:38:38 | LinusN | ouch |
| 00:38:39 | muesli__ | but its within guaranty... |
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| 00:38:54 | muesli__ | the only thing i am scared is the lousy service down here |
| 00:39:04 | muesli__ | they need 4-6weeks (!) |
| 00:39:11 | muesli__ | and thats normal :-/// |
| 00:39:39 | LinusN | yuck |
| 00:43:15 | mirak | LinusN: hey |
| 00:43:18 | mirak | glad you are there |
| 00:43:24 | mirak | I am confronted to a problem |
| 00:43:29 | * | LinusN hides |
| 00:43:33 | mirak | :) |
| 00:43:50 | mirak | so the libmpeg call a method like that : |
| 00:43:53 | mirak | if (process_header[mpeg2dec->code & 0x0b] (mpeg2dec)) { |
| 00:44:08 | mirak | in fact process_header is an array on functions pointers |
| 00:44:27 | mirak | the function is called right |
| 00:44:41 | mirak | but the mpeg2dec pointer seems to not be passed at all |
| 00:45:07 | mirak | because the variable I get on the called function side doesn't match the on from the caller side |
| 00:45:22 | LinusN | oh |
| 00:45:34 | mirak | mpeg2dec->chunk_start |
| 00:45:39 | mirak | returns 0 for exemple |
| 00:45:59 | mirak | surprising it doesn't crash by the way |
| 00:46:32 | LinusN | interesting |
| 00:46:42 | mirak | this works on linux x86 and ppx |
| 00:46:43 | mirak | ppc |
| 00:46:53 | mirak | but here there is a problem on rockbox |
| 00:47:10 | mirak | I will investigate a bit more |
| 00:47:11 | LinusN | which source file? |
| 00:47:24 | mirak | decode.c |
| 00:47:45 | mirak | in mpeg2_parse_header |
| 00:48:42 | LinusN | wait a minute |
| 00:48:46 | LinusN | libmpeg? |
| 00:48:50 | LinusN | what's that? |
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| 00:49:37 | Membrillo | Has anyone else had problems where they flash to h300 bootloader v4 and their iriver WONT TURN ON |
| 00:49:38 | Membrillo | GAR |
| 00:49:55 | LinusN | Membrillo: no |
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| 00:50:46 | mirak | LinusN: libmpeg2 |
| 00:50:50 | Membrillo | wait wait wait its ok. Its turning on now... how strange. There was an awkward 5 minute period there when it just wouldnt respond |
| 00:50:55 | mirak | LinusN: the pointer seems to be passed right |
| 00:51:02 | mirak | but the values are empty |
| 00:51:10 | mirak | the values of the struct |
| 00:51:27 | LinusN | mirak: init problem? |
| 00:51:44 | mirak | I am investigating |
| 00:52:00 | LinusN | are you supposed to init the mpeg2dec struct somewhere? |
| 00:52:27 | linuxstb | mirak: So are you displaying the values of the struct in both mpeg2_parse_header, and the other functions like mpeg2_header_picture, and the values are different? |
| 00:52:50 | Membrillo | I must have a bad flash.... the only way i can turn on my player now is by putting in USB |
| 00:53:05 | alphakiller | no way on windows :( |
| 00:53:15 | LinusN | Membrillo: so the ON key doesn't work anymore? |
| 00:53:26 | Membrillo | nope |
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| 00:53:39 | Membrillo | ill try it again |
| 00:53:41 | LinusN | Membrillo: wow |
| 00:53:47 | Membrillo | im an int. with 1,29 kr |
| 00:53:52 | linuxstb | alphakiller: What utilities did you try? |
| 00:54:05 | linuxstb | (just so we can cross them off the list...) |
| 00:54:14 | Xerion | hmm supermario 2 is pretty playable on my h140 :) |
| 00:54:55 | Membrillo | linux, do you think its a bad flash on my part, or the bootloader is doing strange things |
| 00:54:59 | Membrillo | linus* |
| 00:55:00 | mirak | linuxstb: something like that |
| 00:55:04 | LinusN | Membrillo: the latter |
| 00:55:12 | Membrillo | ah ok |
| 00:55:22 | LinusN | does on+rec work? |
| 00:55:31 | Membrillo | nope |
| 00:55:32 | Membrillo | nothing |
| 00:55:46 | LinusN | on+reset? |
| 00:55:50 | Membrillo | i can only turn it on by plugging in usb then disconnecting it |
| 00:56:02 | Membrillo | reset? havent tried that |
| 00:56:15 | Membrillo | nope |
| 00:56:18 | Membrillo | that doesnt work either |
| 00:56:33 | Membrillo | on+reset doesnt do a thing |
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| 00:57:30 | mirak | well that's unbelievable |
| 00:57:40 | Membrillo | wait, i think its plugging the power in, not USB that turns it on |
| 00:57:52 | Membrillo | lucky that bugs still there or i would be mcfkucked |
| 00:58:08 | mirak | when I do that : |
| 00:58:10 | mirak | rb->snprintf(txt_buf,sizeof(txt_buf),"dec %x",mpeg2dec); |
| 00:58:16 | mirak | rb->snprintf(txt_buf,sizeof(txt_buf),"%x,%x,%x",mpeg2dec->chunk_start,mpeg2dec->chunk_ptr,mpeg2dec->chunk_buffer); |
| 00:58:26 | mirak | it shows good pointer adress for all of them |
| 00:58:47 | mirak | then when if (process_header[mpeg2dec->code & 0x0b] (mpeg2dec)) { happens |
| 00:58:49 | Membrillo | actually, both USB and power input turn it on, straight to iriver FW |
| 00:59:02 | mirak | all the values mpeg2dec->chunk_start,mpeg2dec->chunk_ptr,mpeg2dec->chunk_buffer are put to zero |
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| 01:00:54 | linuxstb | Check which function in process_header[] is being called, and then look at that function to see what it's doing. |
| 01:02:08 | alphakiller | I think I can't play with iPod video for now .. |
| 01:02:08 | alphakiller | has anyone tried it : |
| 01:02:08 | alphakiller | ? |
| 01:02:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK alphakiller |
| 01:02:08 | alphakiller | seems it's everything ok linuxstb |
| 01:02:08 | alphakiller | .. |
| 01:02:11 | alphakiller | the shit i think is at the firmware |
| 01:02:38 | mirak | linuxstb: I replaced the call by the function alone and this also happens : mpeg2_header_sequence |
| 01:02:50 | mirak | if (mpeg2_header_sequence(mpeg2dec)) |
| 01:03:01 | linuxstb | alphakiller: All I can say is that it works for me on my video.... |
| 01:03:04 | mirak | don't know why the structure is reseted |
| 01:03:32 | Membrillo | linuxstb: Can rb be installed on ipod videos with windows yet? |
| 01:03:51 | mirak | I will try to extract it of the if |
| 01:04:50 | linuxstb | Membrillo: It appears not. (check tonight's IRC logs...) |
| 01:05:03 | Membrillo | LinusN: should i patch back to bootloader v3 for now? |
| 01:05:09 | linuxstb | But you could give it a go if you wanted to. |
| 01:05:11 | LinusN | yes |
| 01:05:28 | Membrillo | is there a copy of fwpatcher with v3 online somewhere? |
| 01:05:33 | Membrillo | i dont have a copy |
| 01:05:57 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/IriverBoot?rev=1.10&filename=fwpatcher.exe |
| 01:06:19 | Membrillo | terrific |
| 01:06:21 | Membrillo | thanks |
| 01:07:46 | linuxstb | alphakiller: So you are saying that diskdump (or whatever utility you are using) is writing to the partition correctly, but that the firmware doesn't work? |
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| 01:08:47 | Kyl3 | whats wrong with bootloader V4 |
| 01:08:59 | Membrillo | Kyl3: linus is working on it |
| 01:09:07 | LinusN | it has a bug in the button/usb detection |
| 01:09:11 | Membrillo | you cant turn on without plugging in power? |
| 01:09:21 | LinusN | so it will appear dead |
| 01:09:33 | LinusN | you can start it by double clicking ON as well |
| 01:09:33 | Kyl3 | oh |
| 01:09:33 | Kyl3 | wow |
| 01:09:53 | Membrillo | double clicking on? does that go to rockbox or iriver FW? |
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| 01:10:38 | Kyl3 | is it easily fixable? |
| 01:10:55 | mirak | LinusN linuxstb I don't see a reason why this happen |
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| 01:11:21 | LinusN | Membrillo: iriver |
| 01:11:59 | Membrillo | well, my iriver isnt dead and thats the main thing :) |
| 01:12:23 | Membrillo | i inskinned it last night, voiding my warranty so if it was dead.... bugger |
| 01:13:43 | Membrillo | wow linus!!! color gameboy looks awesome |
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| 01:15:15 | Membrillo | and wow, pokemon blue is almost 100% |
| 01:15:16 | mirak | LinusN: could this be the stack is full ? |
| 01:15:39 | Membrillo | if not 100% |
| 01:16:02 | LinusN | mirak: i dunno |
| 01:16:12 | Xerion | heh i was just trying pokemon red on my H140 that's still somewhat slow :p |
| 01:16:37 | Xerion | still tetris seems the slowest game of them all lol |
| 01:16:48 | Membrillo | Xerion: H300 rockboy is amazing... overnnight its just doubled at least in playability |
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| 01:17:16 | Xerion | it much more playable for me too, still not 100% tho :) |
| 01:17:22 | Membrillo | Xerion: nice |
| 01:17:55 | Membrillo | LinusN: i suppose having music and rockboy at once is too much for the iriver to handle? |
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| 01:18:52 | muesli__ | afaik rockbox slows cause it needs max cpu power |
| 01:18:57 | linuxstb | Membrillo: Having rockboy by itself is still too much for the iriver to handle... |
| 01:18:58 | muesli__ | err rockboy |
| 01:19:07 | Membrillo | linuxstb: haha good point |
| 01:19:28 | Membrillo | just a pipe dream then |
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| 01:26:43 | preglow | bef |
| 01:28:41 | linuxstb | bef ? |
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| 01:29:08 | muesli__ | beaf? |
| 01:30:18 | linuxstb | bed? |
| 01:30:46 | muesli__ | beg? |
| 01:31:02 | preglow | haha |
| 01:31:04 | preglow | nothing |
| 01:31:11 | preglow | i like the "new" rockbty |
| 01:31:13 | preglow | rockboy |
| 01:31:40 | muesli__ | bohoo..all m8s are loving it and i cant test it :ooo |
| 01:32:07 | Kyl3 | sound it weird |
| 01:32:26 | preglow | at frameskip 3 it seems pretty decent |
| 01:32:42 | preglow | is this 11khz sfreq? |
| 01:32:47 | Xerion | it depends on the games tho :p |
| 01:33:22 | Xerion | street fighter 2 runs so slow the music gets very slow too |
| 01:33:29 | preglow | street fighter 2 on _GAMEBOY_? |
| 01:33:35 | preglow | didnt even know that existed |
| 01:34:25 | preglow | i just love it when someone jumps out of the blue and fixes shit |
| 01:34:30 | Xerion | http://www.rom-world.com/dl.php?name=Gameboy :) |
| 01:34:37 | preglow | we've got an aac codec here as well... |
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| 01:36:26 | Membrillo | LinusN: Any progress on the bootloader? |
| 01:36:34 | Membrillo | or arent you working on it now |
| 01:36:35 | LinusN | working on it |
| 01:36:44 | Membrillo | nice work. Your a champion |
| 01:36:52 | preglow | anywho, i need to sober up before work, gnight |
| 01:37:27 | Xerion | nn |
| 01:37:34 | linuxstb | preglow: Quick question - did you try the latest CVS bootloader on your Nano yet? |
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| 01:38:11 | preglow | eh, nah, dont think so |
| 01:38:20 | preglow | no, i havent |
| 01:38:27 | preglow | still running a several months old thing |
| 01:38:32 | preglow | remind tomorrow and i will |
| 01:38:44 | linuxstb | OK. It's just that BHSPitMonkey tried it and it didn't work for him - it loads Rockbox, but not Linux or the Apple OS. |
| 01:38:51 | preglow | hmm, okies |
| 01:38:55 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:38:55 | * | BHSPitMonkey 's ears are burning |
| 01:39:05 | linuxstb | (that's on a Nano as well) |
| 01:39:13 | Membrillo | haha |
| 01:39:16 | preglow | and it works on photo and 5g? |
| 01:39:21 | Membrillo | how do you do those little caption things? |
| 01:39:26 | linuxstb | It works on my photo and 5g... |
| 01:39:26 | Membrillo | ive never worked it out |
| 01:39:28 | * | preglow lol ? |
| 01:39:34 | Membrillo | yep those haha |
| 01:39:37 | preglow | /me hehe |
| 01:39:40 | preglow | try thgat |
| 01:39:48 | * | Membrillo is the shizbiz |
| 01:39:55 | Membrillo | awesome |
| 01:39:55 | preglow | that's the shiznit! |
| 01:39:56 | Membrillo | :D |
| 01:40:21 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, trying tomorrow, gotta sleep now |
| 01:40:21 | preglow | later |
| 01:40:30 | linuxstb | Goodnight. |
| 01:41:03 | BHSPitMonkey | i still can't use the fabled "menu", since i always get "nothing to resume" |
| 01:41:26 | BHSPitMonkey | so far, rockbox is looking like a bloated file browser to me :P |
| 01:41:53 | Membrillo | dont get your eyes checked, rockbox is a bloated file browser at the moment :P |
| 01:42:13 | BHSPitMonkey | mmk :) |
| 01:43:23 | linuxstb | Try holding down menu for a couple of seconds. |
| 01:43:33 | BHSPitMonkey | ... |
| 01:43:42 | BHSPitMonkey | i'm already back to ipodloader lol |
| 01:44:29 | linuxstb | Looking at the code, it appears that I coded a short press on menu to be resume, and a long press to actually bring up the menu. I should fix that... |
| 01:44:50 | linuxstb | The ipod just doesn't have enough keys for Rockbox. |
| 01:45:04 | BHSPitMonkey | haha |
| 01:45:08 | linuxstb | (or, Rockbox needs too many buttons to work...) |
| 01:45:08 | BHSPitMonkey | there's the menu! |
| 01:45:19 | BHSPitMonkey | and i believe it's the latter ;) |
| 01:45:32 | linuxstb | Now you can browse the plugins, and play bejewelled. You'll never look back. |
| 01:45:53 | BHSPitMonkey | choosing browse themes is unresponsive :( |
| 01:45:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: Short press==resume and long press==menu is exactly the same as on Ondio |
| 01:46:16 | linuxstb | Yes, I copied most of the button assignments from the Ondio. |
| 01:46:30 | BHSPitMonkey | i can't figure out how to select things |
| 01:46:39 | linuxstb | I just forget about it... |
| 01:46:48 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Press RIGHT to select |
| 01:46:55 | BHSPitMonkey | :D |
| 01:47:03 | BHSPitMonkey | man, these key assignments gotta change ;) |
| 01:47:07 | linuxstb | The buttons are slightly different to the Apple firmware - but consistent with other Rockbox ports. |
| 01:47:29 | amiconn | ...and btw, the iPod has one button more than the Ondio (counting the wheel inc/dec), and rockbox runs on Ondio, so how can the iPod not have enough buttons? ;) |
| 01:47:34 | BHSPitMonkey | the trouble is, a user is going to have multiple ipod os's, not multiple rockbox players :P |
| 01:47:50 | Membrillo | linuxstb: ah well, you get used to it. I went on to the original iriver firmware this morning and had forgotten how to do anyhting at all |
| 01:47:54 | BHSPitMonkey | so familiarity won't do much good |
| 01:48:25 | BHSPitMonkey | and "Browse Themes" still just freezes for a second then comes back, with no response |
| 01:48:30 | linuxstb | We can debate that when the time comes. Personally, I prefer to make Rockbox consistent with Rockbox. |
| 01:49:01 | BHSPitMonkey | well that's a good idea i guess from the devs' standpoint :) |
| 01:49:06 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: Ignore "Browse Themes" - does "Browse Plugins" work? |
| 01:49:09 | Membrillo | linuxstb: thats true... i mean you can get used to different OS's. I mean, how many people actually switch between multiple OSs frequently? |
| 01:49:29 | * | Membrillo must stop saying i mean |
| 01:49:43 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: nope |
| 01:49:46 | linuxstb | Membrillo: Don't you own both an ipod and an iriver? |
| 01:49:51 | Membrillo | i do yes |
| 01:49:55 | BHSPitMonkey | does the same thing as a bunch of these items |
| 01:50:09 | Membrillo | but if i get rockbox on my ipod. Thats all ill use |
| 01:50:16 | linuxstb | Preglow's reported problems like that - we think it's to do with the cache misbehaving. |
| 01:50:27 | Membrillo | i wont use apple OS or linux |
| 01:51:09 | Membrillo | does anyone here know if the Kaiser Chiefs are an American band? |
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| 01:51:19 | Membrillo | or Australian |
| 01:51:23 | Midgey34 | they're british I think |
| 01:51:40 | Membrillo | ah ok... they remind me quite a fair bit of the ramones |
| 01:52:10 | Membrillo | thats probably as the album im listening to has ramones covers but oh well, thats a different story |
| 01:53:33 | BHSPitMonkey | i've notived none of the "Browse ____" menu items work for me |
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| 01:57:12 | BHSPitMonkey | so... /me switches back to ipodloader |
| 01:57:34 | * | BHSPitMonkey wonders how many flashes out of his alotted 10000 he's used on his firmware partition |
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| 02:00:46 | | Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:01:11 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitMonkey: How did you install Rockbox? Did you do a "make zip" and then unzip that file to your ipod? |
| 02:01:35 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah |
| 02:01:45 | BHSPitMonkey | hmm |
| 02:01:47 | * | BHSPitMonkey double checks |
| 02:02:06 | linuxstb_ | Do you have a ".rockbox" directory on your ipod? |
| 02:02:09 | BHSPitMonkey | ack |
| 02:02:15 | BHSPitMonkey | does it go inside of "archos" |
| 02:02:36 | linuxstb_ | No - you don't have an archos directory on your ipod. That's just for the simulator. |
| 02:02:38 | BHSPitMonkey | i just remembered that... |
| 02:02:41 | BHSPitMonkey | ok |
| 02:02:45 | BHSPitMonkey | then yes |
| 02:02:46 | BHSPitMonkey | i do |
| 02:03:55 | linuxstb_ | There is one thing you can try then - comment out the call to ipod_init_cache() in firmware/system.c |
| 02:04:21 | BHSPitMonkey | mmk |
| 02:04:38 | linuxstb_ | And then recompile and reinstall rockbox. I'm pretty sure that will make Rockbox run more reliably. |
| 02:04:56 | linuxstb_ | But preglow is the person to talk to about the Nano, and he's gone to bed... |
| 02:05:54 | linuxstb_ | BTW, do you have a link to the cross-compiler needed to build ipodloader2 ? I'll try and add rockbox to it sometime. |
| 02:10:35 | BHSPitMonkey | for windows? |
| 02:10:37 | BHSPitMonkey | yes |
| 02:10:42 | BHSPitMonkey | for linux? |
| 02:10:44 | BHSPitMonkey | also yes |
| 02:10:48 | BHSPitMonkey | lol so dumb question |
| 02:10:56 | linuxstb_ | Linux :) |
| 02:11:36 | BHSPitMonkey | yup, in a simple file put together by one of our devs over at iPL :) |
| 02:11:45 | BHSPitMonkey | on the ipl wiki under toolchain |
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| 02:12:41 | alphakiller | hey linuxstb |
| 02:12:41 | alphakiller | :D |
| 02:12:47 | alphakiller | could get bootloader working |
| 02:12:51 | alphakiller | with a linux livecd |
| 02:12:51 | alphakiller | . |
| 02:12:55 | linuxstb_ | I'm guessing it's the "for applications" one that's needed for ipodloader2? |
| 02:13:00 | alphakiller | I guess I won't need linux anymore, right ? |
| 02:13:11 | linuxstb_ | alphakiller: Not unless you need to update the bootloader. |
| 02:13:11 | muesli__ | n8 folks |
| 02:13:16 | alphakiller | :) |
| 02:13:18 | alphakiller | nice |
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| 02:13:35 | linuxstb_ | But that's good news. I'm glad it was just a Windows problem - but it's obviously something we need to fix at some point. |
| 02:13:54 | alphakiller | yeah |
| 02:14:10 | linuxstb_ | Unless we just distribute Rockbox as part of a Linux live CD... :) |
| 02:14:21 | alphakiller | yeah |
| 02:14:22 | alphakiller | hehehe |
| 02:14:27 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: for applications, we use arm-uclinux-elf-gcc |
| 02:14:27 | alphakiller | well |
| 02:14:36 | alphakiller | what's the next step for me ? |
| 02:14:47 | linuxstb_ | Compile and install Rockbox. |
| 02:15:20 | linuxstb_ | Create a build directory, ../tools/configure, select "15" and normal, then type "make", then "make zip" and then unzip the created rockbox.zip to your ipod. |
| 02:15:26 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: the page i told you about has pre-built versions of both |
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| 02:15:42 | BHSPitMonkey | as in, the arm-elf-tools, and the one for applications |
| 02:15:56 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitMonkey: Yes, I saw those, thanks. |
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| 02:16:16 | BHSPitMonkey | didn't mean to offend. |
| 02:16:27 | linuxstb_ | No offence taken. |
| 02:16:32 | BHSPitMonkey | mmk. |
| 02:17:38 | alphakiller | linuxstb: I'd like to code a hello world :P |
| 02:17:41 | alphakiller | is there a way ? |
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| 02:19:47 | linuxstb_ | Yes - the bootloader looks for a file called rockbox.ipod in the root of your FAT32 partition. You can put any program there instead of Rockbox if you wanted to write your own code from scratch. |
| 02:20:07 | alphakiller | like my "own os" ? |
| 02:20:08 | BHSPitMonkey | wow, ipodlinux looks amazing today |
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| 02:20:15 | BHSPitMonkey | i know, bad place to talk about it, but wow |
| 02:20:32 | linuxstb_ | alphakiller: Yes, anything you care to write. |
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| 02:21:16 | alphakiller | the fun part is that we already have drivers :P |
| 02:21:16 | alphakiller | hehehe |
| 02:21:27 | alphakiller | I can run java easily on this bitch now :D |
| 02:22:13 | alphakiller | all the drivers here, you coded ? |
| 02:22:50 | alphakiller | hmm |
| 02:22:51 | BHSPitMonkey | java? eh? |
| 02:22:56 | alphakiller | there's lots of games there too :P |
| 02:22:57 | alphakiller | hehehe |
| 02:23:06 | alphakiller | yeah |
| 02:23:07 | linuxstb_ | It's a mixture of code taken from ipodlinux, existing Rockbox code, and new code written by us. |
| 02:23:11 | alphakiller | I have a based java OS :P |
| 02:23:38 | alphakiller | linuxstb: I'll retribute by trying to help on multicore :D |
| 02:23:45 | linuxstb_ | For example, the higher-level display code is shared by the ipod and iriver H300 ports. It's only the very low-level LCD code that is different. |
| 02:24:11 | linuxstb_ | (they both use 16-bit colour) |
| 02:24:52 | linuxstb_ | Well, anything you learn about the ipod will be useful - the video is still largely unexplored. |
| 02:26:13 | BHSPitMonkey | so i'm lost...are you saying java runs on these things? |
| 02:26:55 | alphakiller | I'm saying that I have a Java Based OS |
| 02:26:58 | BHSPitMonkey | oh |
| 02:27:01 | alphakiller | a Java VM merged on my kernel |
| 02:27:06 | BHSPitMonkey | oh |
| 02:27:15 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 02:27:35 | BHSPitMonkey | j2me on the mp3 players would be pretty sweet, don't you think? |
| 02:27:50 | alphakiller | yeah :D |
| 02:27:57 | alphakiller | it runs on ps2 already :D |
| 02:28:01 | BHSPitMonkey | yup |
| 02:28:17 | linuxstb_ | It could be fun, but it's not going to improve audio playback... |
| 02:28:25 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 02:28:27 | BHSPitMonkey | who needs THAT |
| 02:29:12 | Kyl3 | is v4 safe now? |
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| 02:31:20 | Kyl3 | cuz it says: Reverted the wakeup/debounce PCF50606 settings for now |
| 02:31:52 | linuxstb_ | I would wait for LinusN to upload a new fwpatcher.exe before you try it. |
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| 02:32:39 | Kyl3 | ok |
| 02:32:39 | BHSPitLappy | ok linuxstb, trying that system.c modification now |
| 02:33:13 | BHSPitLappy | do I just comment out the whole block, starting from "static void ipod_init....."? |
| 02:34:05 | linuxstb_ | No, go further down in the file, and comment out the call to ipod_init_cache() |
| 02:34:17 | linuxstb_ | I think it's in system_init() |
| 02:35:07 | alphakiller | kernel is br0ken :( |
| 02:35:46 | BHSPitLappy | oh, so it's just a call then |
| 02:35:46 | linuxstb_ | alphakiller: What do you mean? |
| 02:36:01 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitLappy: Yes. |
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| 02:36:59 | linuxstb | (still here - change of machines) |
| 02:39:48 | alphakiller | copied all files |
| 02:39:51 | alphakiller | into hd |
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| 02:39:55 | alphakiller | then I get this error: |
| 02:39:59 | webguest54 | hey! |
| 02:40:00 | webguest54 | [10:39:50] Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Invalid username [i=ZISN2.9]) |
| 02:40:01 | alphakiller | Rockbox error: -4 |
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| 02:40:43 | Jungti1234 | What meaning is it? |
| 02:40:48 | alphakiller | yeah |
| 02:40:56 | alphakiller | I copied all my objects into F: |
| 02:41:12 | Jungti1234 | [10:40:57] -140.211.166.3- *** Looking up your hostname... |
| 02:41:12 | Jungti1234 | - |
| 02:41:12 | Jungti1234 | [10:40:57] -140.211.166.3- *** Checking ident |
| 02:41:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Jungti1234 |
| 02:41:12 | Jungti1234 | - |
| 02:41:12 | Jungti1234 | [10:40:57] -140.211.166.3- *** Couldn't look up your hostname |
| 02:41:12 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:41:12 | Jungti1234 | - |
| 02:41:14 | Jungti1234 | * Identd request from 140.211.166.3 |
| 02:41:16 | Jungti1234 | * Identd replied: 2411, 6667 : USERID : UNIX : ZISN2.9 |
| 02:41:18 | Jungti1234 | - |
| 02:41:20 | Jungti1234 | [10:40:58] -140.211.166.3- *** Got ident response |
| 02:41:22 | Jungti1234 | - |
| 02:41:24 | Jungti1234 | [10:40:58] Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Invalid username [i=ZISN2.9]) |
| 02:41:46 | linuxstb | alphakiller: Mmm. That error means that the read() command to read rockbox.ipod failed. |
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| 02:42:24 | linuxstb | If you look in bootloader/ipod.c (the load_rockbox() function), you will see what happened. |
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| 02:47:24 | alphakiller | gonna sllep |
| 02:47:24 | alphakiller | :D |
| 02:47:27 | alphakiller | l8r |
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| 02:49:18 | Jungti1234 | hmm... |
| 02:49:45 | Jungti1234 | I can't connect to IRC. |
| 02:51:13 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:51:14 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Closing Link, Invalid username'? |
| 02:51:35 | Jungti1234 | what's meaning? |
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| 02:53:36 | BHSPitMonkey | hey, linuxstb , got into those menus! |
| 02:54:03 | linuxstb | OK :) |
| 02:54:17 | linuxstb | But it should be running much slower now without the cache. |
| 02:54:24 | BHSPitMonkey | all the plugins tell me "can't open blahblah.rock" though |
| 02:55:09 | linuxstb | Mmm. That's not right. They should load fine. |
| 02:55:53 | BHSPitMonkey | oh there |
| 02:55:55 | BHSPitMonkey | had to reboot |
| 02:56:22 | linuxstb | I've tried ipodloader2, and it's not working for me. I just get a black screen with some writing on it, no backlight, and button presses don't seem to do anything. |
| 02:56:41 | linuxstb | This is on a 60GB Color. |
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| 02:58:39 | BHSPitMonkey | heh, i can only use one app in rb |
| 02:58:48 | BHSPitMonkey | once i exit, then i get that message for each one |
| 02:59:23 | linuxstb | OK. But do the plugins work? |
| 02:59:24 | BHSPitMonkey | themes just seem to say "Loading... |
| 02:59:33 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: one per session :) |
| 02:59:38 | BHSPitMonkey | i played bejeweled |
| 02:59:55 | BHSPitMonkey | i don't know about your loader2 problem though |
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| 03:00:26 | BHSPitMonkey | latest svn? good ipod_fw? |
| 03:00:45 | linuxstb | OK, I seem to recall preglow reporting similar problems. But I thought that disabling the cache fixed that. |
| 03:01:15 | BHSPitMonkey | it seems to have gotten me further than before |
| 03:02:00 | linuxstb | Yes, latest svn and good ipod_fw (afaik) |
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| 03:56:58 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: what's the size of your fw? |
| 03:58:04 | linuxstb | Which file? |
| 03:58:12 | BHSPitMonkey | the one prepared for dd |
| 03:58:35 | linuxstb | Is this for Rockbox, or the ipodloader2 one? |
| 03:58:41 | BHSPitMonkey | loader2 |
| 03:58:49 | BHSPitMonkey | i'm just late getting back to you from before :P |
| 03:59:31 | linuxstb | It's working better now. The only problems seem to be the backlight not coming on, and sometimes the buttons stop working. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:05 | linuxstb | But if I'm careful not to press too many buttons, it will load the appropriate firmware (RetailOS or Linux) |
| 04:01:37 | linuxstb | But it's time for sleep. Goodnight. |
| 04:01:41 | BHSPitMonkey | nite |
| 04:01:48 | BHSPitMonkey | thanks for all help as usual |
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| 04:26:12 | Lmcmann | Anyone home? |
| 04:28:29 | BHSPitMonkey | nope |
| 04:29:05 | Lmcmann | didn't think so <g> |
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| 04:29:52 | Lmcmann | I actually have a real question/problem. Should I wait until later? |
| 04:30:12 | Lmcmann | This is interesting, the other client just connected after several min of lag. |
| 04:30:30 | Lmcmann_ | So I can type in either window. |
| 04:30:32 | Lmcmann_ | Hmmm |
| 04:33:34 | lostlogic | IRC etiquette: don't ask to ask, just ask... if someone knows they will answer, if not, ask again some significant time later when the active population has changed. |
| 04:33:37 | Midgey34 | what do you need |
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| 04:34:22 | Lmcmann_ | I have an FM recorder, had it for a few years, 0 probs with rockbox. All of a sudden I'm getting I09 CPUAdrEr errors |
| 04:34:35 | Lmcmann_ | I don't get much with a Google search |
| 04:35:00 | Lmcmann_ | and I can't reflash with bootbox, because it gives me that error as soon as I try and re-flash |
| 04:36:08 | Lmcmann | It also is starting to give it when I go into the recording screen. I use this quite a bit, so it's causing me problems. |
| 04:36:42 | lostlogic | had you recently upgraded rockbox when it started happening? |
| 04:37:22 | Lmcmann | I usually upgrade every week or three, when I remember. Only problem is, I can't go back. It gives me the error when I try and flash to an older version. |
| 04:38:04 | Lmcmann | For the most part, I keep up with the daily builds. Haven't had any fatal errors (yet, this may be a first). |
| 04:38:49 | lostlogic | so this did start immediately after an upgrade? :( |
| 04:39:03 | Lmcmann | not immediately. |
| 04:39:33 | Lmcmann | probably a week or so, with fairly heavy use between the upgrade and the error. |
| 04:39:54 | lostlogic | that's... very odd. |
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| 04:40:22 | Lmcmann | that's what I thought as well. Anyone know what an I09 error is? |
| 04:43:41 | Lmcmann | Hmm |
| 04:44:29 | Lmcmann | I just tried a build from Dec 21/05 and it seemed to work fine. |
| 04:45:08 | lostlogic | you got a termite in your player or sumfin ;) |
| 04:45:35 | Lmcmann | maybe I'll go through the changelogs since then. No one has any idea what might be causing it since then? |
| 04:46:00 | Midgey34 | someone else seems to have had a similar problem recently |
| 04:46:00 | Midgey34 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2267.0 |
| 04:46:45 | Lmcmann | I found that one already. No one's answered them. |
| 04:47:34 | Lmcmann | There are actually 2 more similar issues. Thing is, they're from Oct of 2005. Way before my problem. |
| 04:48:12 | Midgey34 | someone else had one way back in april, but like you said... way before your problem |
| 04:48:48 | Lmcmann | If it matters, I'm using bootbox with rombox's. |
| 04:50:04 | Lmcmann | Ok, after tinkering with the 12/21/05 build, it seems it's something that has changed since then. I've flashed back to that one and everything is working fine again. |
| 04:50:20 | Lmcmann | I can reflash both bootbox and rombox without error. |
| 04:50:31 | Lmcmann | something that's new since then is causing an error. |
| 04:51:28 | lostlogic | Lmcmann: I wonder if the flashing depends on the size of the rom it's trying to boot? |
| 04:52:09 | Midgey34 | looking at http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html, I don't know what commit could be triggering this |
| 04:54:27 | Lmcmann | Ok. Sorry to not dig around more before this. |
| 04:54:49 | Lmcmann | I have 12/21/05 01/07/06 and 01/09/06 |
| 04:55:22 | Lmcmann | 12/21 and 01/07 seem to be fine. If I go to 01/09 I get the error. |
| 04:55:45 | Lmcmann | narrows it considerably |
| 04:57:39 | Lmcmann | Sorry to be a putz, I'm in support, and I hate the person I'm being at the moment. |
| 04:59:01 | Lmcmann | I went back to 01/07 and can't replicate the error. |
| 04:59:19 | Midgey34 | well, I don't know the rockbox code well enough to really say what is causing it. |
| 04:59:30 | Midgey34 | Your best bet is to stick with 01/07 for now |
| 04:59:51 | Midgey34 | and ask tomorrow when the main devs are on |
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| 05:00:25 | Lmcmann | I agree. I'll poke back in here tomorrow (I'm in Detroit, Mi, USA) ((sorry for my fricking president, I didn't vote for him). |
| 05:00:39 | Midgey34 | I'm from grand rapids |
| 05:00:50 | Midgey34 | used to be in detroit a while back |
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| 05:01:12 | Lmcmann | really? damn, small world. I'm actually Lathrup Village (Southfield) |
| 05:01:37 | Midgey34 | RotAtoR is originally from michigan too |
| 05:01:45 | Midgey34 | so that makes three of us |
| 05:02:49 | Lmcmann | Where is he/she now? I'm always curious where people end up. |
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| 05:06:04 | Midgey34 | university of illinois I believe |
| 05:07:08 | ts-x | Has anyone had any luck getting the runtime database working on H3xx? I got the file generated, but it seems to lock up quite frequently. |
| 05:07:32 | Midgey34 | yah, you need to go about it a different way |
| 05:07:46 | ts-x | How so? |
| 05:07:48 | Midgey34 | see my post on the h3xx forum at rockbox |
| 05:09:46 | Lmcmann | How's the overall H3xx going? I'm planning on picking one up and want to stay with Rockbox. |
| 05:10:23 | Midgey34 | its about at the same level as the h100 |
| 05:10:41 | Midgey34 | its not as pretty as the stock firmware, but has way more features |
| 05:11:17 | Lmcmann | So I can pick one up, flash it and have it be functional? |
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| 05:11:54 | ts-x | It works pretty well on the h3xx at this point |
| 05:12:23 | ts-x | I've been running it full time for about six weeks with very few issues |
| 05:12:54 | Lmcmann | Nice. |
| 05:13:27 | ts-x | It's leaps and bounds ahead of the iRiver firmware |
| 05:13:48 | Lmcmann | I just went to the arcives and grabbed 01/08/06. It also works fine. Not many changes from 08 to 09, and nothing that looks like it's FMR related. |
| 05:16:57 | ts-x | Midgey34: Read your post and have got it working now, but without a file view option I think I'm going to turn it off... |
| 05:17:01 | Lmcmann | LAME header, mpc pop, and bss. |
| 05:17:53 | Lmcmann | How do you like the H3xx (last question, then I quit pestering you)? |
| 05:18:44 | ts-x | It excellent...the screen is very sharp and the controls are relatively easy to use |
| 05:18:50 | ts-x | It's |
| 05:20:17 | ts-x | My first dap was an H120...IMO the H3xx trumps it every category except optical in/out and form factor |
| 05:20:39 | ts-x | The H1xx series seem to be just a bit more solidly built |
| 05:21:00 | Lmcmann | I'd be coming from an FM Recorder. |
| 05:21:26 | Lmcmann | I think the 3xx would be a huge step up. |
| 05:21:40 | Lmcmann | The screen is what I'm really interested in. |
| 05:22:12 | ts-x | Not familiar with it, one of the pros like amiconn or linus could probably give you a better comparison |
| 05:22:24 | Lmcmann | Oh! does it use 1.8" or 2.5" hard drives, and are they chageable? I put an 80gb in my FMR, and want to put at least a 120 in the 3xx. |
| 05:22:33 | ts-x | I can tell you though that the H3xx screen is excellent, very clear |
| 05:22:56 | ts-x | Fairly large as well...220x176 I believe |
| 05:24:00 | ts-x | 1.8" - the largest you could with an H340 right now is 80gb |
| 05:24:08 | Lmcmann | erg |
| 05:24:22 | Lmcmann | eh. |
| 05:24:40 | Lmcmann | can't have it all. It is chageable though? |
| 05:25:09 | ts-x | Yes...I've never done it, but have seen others who have |
| 05:25:44 | ts-x | The battery is upgradeable as well |
| 05:26:47 | ts-x | 05.00.25 # <Lmcmann> (I'm in Detroit, Mi, USA) ((sorry for my fricking president, I didn't vote for him). |
| 05:27:02 | ts-x | Ha ha ... me either, I tried my best in fact to defeat him |
| 05:32:50 | Lmcmann | Likewise. At least Mi. went to Kerry. <sigh> Sorry to bring up politics. |
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| 05:34:02 | ts-x | So did MD...yeah I'm sick of it too. Hopefully we can get this mess straightened out next election. Not just for our sake, but for the world's sake as well. |
| 05:35:01 | ts-x | Getting late here in the east...cu guys later |
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| 05:38:00 | Lmcmann | Likewise, it's bedtime for Bonzo here. Thanks for the help. Have fun all. |
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| 06:06:29 | DJDD_ | Heya. Hey how is the H3xx rockbox coming along? From what i can its almost as far along as the H1xx firmware |
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| 06:24:05 | saa[b_r]ider | RB on the H300 is pretty impressive |
| 06:24:31 | saa[b_r]ider | needs better optimization for better battery life |
| 06:38:32 | DJDD_ | So it has all the same features as the H1xx series? |
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| 08:07:34 | TravisH | Hey, does anyone know how to use the transcendFunc() function of the calculator to get sin and cos? |
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| 08:07:50 | * | B4gder doesn't |
| 08:08:31 | TravisH | transcendFunc("sin", &result, &power); I understand what the string means, but the result and power is confusing me |
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| 08:29:01 | Mongey | hi, watsup with the bootloader v4 for the h300 being broken? |
| 08:29:29 | B4gder | whatdoyoumean? |
| 08:29:46 | Mongey | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35038 |
| 08:29:51 | amiconn | Wah :( |
| 08:29:53 | B4gder | yes its broken |
| 08:30:15 | * | amiconn didn't have time to fix the plugin RAM issue |
| 08:30:20 | amiconn | Morning, btw |
| 08:30:34 | Mongey | mornin |
| 08:30:47 | Mongey | B4gder; but wats the bug? |
| 08:31:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hola, folks. |
| 08:31:07 | B4gder | you can see linus' commit in the CVS log |
| 08:31:12 | B4gder | I believe that corrects it |
| 08:32:46 | Mongey | Reverted the wakeup/debounce PCF50606 settings for now <<< fixes it? |
| 08:33:11 | B4gder | I believe that corrects it |
| 08:33:32 | Mongey | ok thanks, ill update later today |
| 08:33:53 | B4gder | I trust Linus will make another version available in due time |
| 08:35:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Has anyone built the SDL sims in Cygwin? |
| 08:35:11 | Mongey | ok ty B4gder |
| 08:35:15 | Mongey | gtg |
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| 08:35:39 | B4gder | not me |
| 08:36:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I get a whole load of... errors and warnings. |
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| 08:39:53 | B4gder | major ones? |
| 08:40:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of undeclared things |
| 08:40:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then the build fails. So yeah, major enough |
| 08:41:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm.. and parse errors. |
| 08:41:49 | B4gder | can you post the error output somewhere for me to watch? |
| 08:43:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sure, one sec |
| 08:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://66.68.93.2/error.txt |
| 08:44:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not so good at dealing with errors when they involve things I didn't write. |
| 08:44:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I'm almost a total newbie in the area of makefiles and GCC. |
| 08:46:15 | B4gder | can you show me what sdl-config −−libs and sdl-config −−cflags show for you? |
| 08:48:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://66.68.93.2/sdl.txt |
| 08:51:06 | ashridah | i'm trying to work out why you don't have pthread.h, since that's part of libc. |
| 08:52:09 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: is this a "full" cygwin install? |
| 08:52:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | pthread.h is present in usr\include |
| 08:52:56 | ashridah | interesting |
| 08:53:37 | ashridah | where'd you get sdl from? |
| 08:53:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | sdl.com |
| 08:53:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or.. |
| 08:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | libsdl.org |
| 08:53:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry |
| 08:54:00 | ashridah | because it seems to be building using -mno-cygwin which would suggest why it isn't checking the default include path |
| 08:54:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.9.tar.gz <−− This specificall |
| 08:54:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | configure, make, make install. |
| 08:55:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Should I have done anything else? |
| 08:56:10 | ashridah | check the configure script to make sure there's no way to tell it that it's for cygwin or something, i guess. |
| 08:56:13 | * | ashridah shrugs |
| 08:56:45 | B4gder | or try editing the sdl-config script manually |
| 08:57:06 | ashridah | that too |
| 08:58:11 | Bger | morning :) |
| 08:58:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know how to work with configure scripts... at all. |
| 08:58:39 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: configure −−help |
| 08:58:42 | ashridah | :) |
| 08:58:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aah |
| 08:58:47 | ashridah | well. ./configure −−help |
| 08:58:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 08:59:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I always forget to just ask for help |
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| 09:03:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm... I don't really see anything that seems like it'd be to tell it that it's on cygwin. |
| 09:04:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah. |
| 09:04:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | But SDL uses /usr/local/include, could that be part of the problem maybe? |
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| 09:13:01 | B4gder | I doubt that |
| 09:13:14 | B4gder | I say try editing sdl-config and remove the -m parts |
| 09:13:22 | B4gder | from −−libs |
| 09:13:44 | B4gder | and −−cflags too |
| 09:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | It looks like it's only on −−cflags |
| 09:14:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Should I just strip all the -mno-cygwins from it? |
| 09:14:50 | B4gder | try that |
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| 09:32:49 | B4gder | but isn't SDL provided using the ordinary cygwin install thing? |
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| 09:35:19 | needleboy | morning people |
| 09:35:43 | needleboy | anyone knows if there's any change in the status of the bootloader 4? |
| 09:37:45 | B4gder | it changed in CVS |
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| 09:39:02 | needleboy | b4dger, what do you mean? |
| 09:39:27 | needleboy | is it still malfunctioning? |
| 09:39:32 | B4gder | I mean that linus committed a fix, or rather a revert |
| 09:39:52 | needleboy | so should i patch the new bootloader or not? |
| 09:39:55 | B4gder | I trust bootloader 4 will always malfunction |
| 09:40:08 | B4gder | but I also trust that linus will make a v5 available in time |
| 09:40:29 | needleboy | is it safe to use it if i've updated from the latest CVS? |
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| 09:40:44 | B4gder | you build your own bootloader? |
| 09:40:49 | B4gder | not many do |
| 09:40:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: I couldn't find SDL in the list of cygwin packages. It's possible I didn't see it. |
| 09:40:59 | needleboy | i don't |
| 09:41:04 | needleboy | i mean the firmware CVS |
| 09:41:59 | B4gder | the bootloader uses parts of the "firmware CVS" |
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| 09:42:24 | B4gder | and we talk about the bootloader |
| 09:42:27 | B4gder | not Rockbox itself |
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| 09:43:10 | B4gder | morning Linus, prepare for the v4 loader question flood |
| 09:43:28 | LinusN | gah |
| 09:43:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 09:45:10 | needleboy | b4dger, is it safe or not? i'm about to flash... |
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| 09:45:29 | B4gder | needleboy: so you DID build it yourself? |
| 09:45:43 | needleboy | no, i didn't |
| 09:45:48 | B4gder | blah |
| 09:45:54 | needleboy | i got the fwpatcher from the site |
| 09:45:59 | B4gder | then again: |
| 09:46:03 | B4gder | v4 is not working fine |
| 09:46:17 | B4gder | you can flash it if you want to |
| 09:46:22 | B4gder | but it doesn't work properly |
| 09:46:32 | LinusN | the current cvs is NOT safe to flash |
| 09:46:37 | needleboy | where do i get the source for the bootloader? i'll patch it with the commit you said and compile it myself |
| 09:46:54 | LinusN | the commit has nothing to do with it |
| 09:46:56 | B4gder | needleboy: why's the hurry? |
| 09:47:04 | needleboy | dunno, want to try it :) |
| 09:47:05 | needleboy | nm |
| 09:47:11 | needleboy | i'm just bored... |
| 09:47:20 | LinusN | "it" -> brick your player? |
| 09:47:26 | needleboy | lol |
| 09:47:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 09:47:41 | needleboy | advice taken ;) |
| 09:48:07 | LinusN | i spent half the night trying to figure out the problem |
| 09:48:22 | LinusN | and i ended up with a binary search in the CVS history |
| 09:48:55 | LinusN | it seems the unicode support added 2005-12-07 is the problem, god knows why |
| 09:49:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4Gder: If I remove -mno-cygwin it doesn't build. |
| 09:49:13 | needleboy | why is it always unicode that screws stuff up? |
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| 09:54:42 | B4gder | "The fact that it builds out of the box with -mno-cygwin would appear to |
| 09:54:42 | B4gder | indicate that whoever distributes the SDL application has gotten it running |
| 09:54:42 | B4gder | as a native WIN32 application build using MINGW32 (aka -mno-cygwin). To get |
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| 09:54:42 | B4gder | it to run as a cygwin application with the cygwin dll instead, someone will |
| 09:54:42 | B4gder | have to port it to cygwin." |
| 09:56:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Argh |
| 09:56:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I forgot a step |
| 09:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I found instructions for using it with cygwin |
| 09:56:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | "When you're ready to build SDL applications, copy SDL.dll from /usr/local/lib to whereever your SDL application source resides." |
| 09:56:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just read right past that line. |
| 09:59:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, that would assume that an SDL.dll was created. =/ |
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| 10:09:01 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
| 10:10:02 | Jungti1234 | Many korean people install bootloader v4 and bred problem. |
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| 10:11:48 | Bger | Jungti1234 what problem |
| 10:12:09 | ashridah | Bger: there's some weird issue with startup, iirc. generally, reflashing with v3 would be wise. |
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| 10:12:44 | Jungti1234 | Bger: Doesn't booting. |
| 10:13:04 | LinusN | it boots if you insert the charger |
| 10:13:20 | LinusN | or press ON several times quickly |
| 10:13:31 | Jungti1234 | ah ok |
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| 10:13:57 | * | ashridah contemplates flashing his phone with a modded firmware |
| 10:14:31 | * | B4gder added a link to the h300 v3 bootloader in the wiki ;-) |
| 10:14:46 | LinusN | was just about to do that :-) |
| 10:15:22 | Bger | ah :) |
| 10:15:33 | Bger | LinusN did you try to remove the lcd_enable() ? |
| 10:15:48 | LinusN | forgot about that |
| 10:16:02 | needleboy | B4gder, put up a alink for the old fwpatcher as well... |
| 10:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4Ger: Alright, still no luck with the SDL sim. =/ |
| 10:16:10 | B4gder | oh |
| 10:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder even. |
| 10:16:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | It apparently just hates me. |
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| 10:16:57 | Jungti1234 | http://mfiles.naver.net/9f4cab76653553e1cba5/data16/2006/1/11/86/fwpatcher.exe |
| 10:17:23 | eli_sherer | i finally did the optimization for my flood fill...damn it's hard! |
| 10:17:30 | Jungti1234 | We uploaded it, too. |
| 10:17:39 | Jungti1234 | hi eli |
| 10:17:43 | eli_sherer | no i use my own stack instead of the recursive loop |
| 10:17:44 | needleboy | Jungti, i have the old fwpatcher, i meant he should put it in the Wiki there for people who don't |
| 10:17:44 | B4gder | done |
| 10:17:48 | eli_sherer | now* |
| 10:17:54 | Jungti1234 | Long time no see. |
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| 10:17:59 | eli_sherer | yes. |
| 10:18:52 | Jungti1234 | needleboy: ok |
| 10:21:39 | Jungti1234 | LinusN: Are you making v5? |
| 10:21:52 | LinusN | Jungti1234: i'm debugging v4 |
| 10:21:55 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 10:22:31 | * | ashridah crosses fingers and flashes phone |
| 10:22:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 10:22:54 | ashridah | fortunately, motorola have a tiny bootloader on their phone which assists in recovery. |
| 10:22:55 | eli_sherer | *xobox* some how it still manages to crash (even when no using the dynamic memory %( ) |
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| 10:23:28 | ashridah | wish i had one of the linux ones to play with tho :( |
| 10:26:23 | needleboy | eli, are you aware that the "enemies" sometimes escape the screen? |
| 10:27:14 | B4gder | eli_sherer: I don't wanna whine, but if you would follow the Rockbox code style better we could easier commit your work when the time comes |
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| 10:34:46 | needleboy | Febs, you here? |
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| 10:50:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any of the iPod people here? It seems the bootloader still isn't loading the original FW. |
| 10:52:37 | Jungti1234 | An apple is tasty. |
| 10:52:40 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 10:52:59 | needleboy | if you were a bootloader, would YOU like to do ANYTHING if you were put on an iPod?!? |
| 10:53:01 | needleboy | ;) |
| 10:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | needleboy: Well, I needed a good flash player, and I was kinda in the mood for something with a lot of storage for flash. What can I say? |
| 10:54:34 | ashridah | that you're a slave to the consumer mindset? |
| 10:54:36 | ashridah | :) |
| 10:55:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 10:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, *I* didn't spend any money on it anyway. |
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| 10:57:52 | needleboy | Paul, have you even looked at the iRiver flash based players?!?!? |
| 10:58:03 | needleboy | you'd NEVER have bought an iPod if you did... |
| 10:58:08 | B4gder | ? |
| 10:58:10 | needleboy | nevermind that though... |
| 10:58:13 | B4gder | rockbox is almost on ipod |
| 10:58:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let's see... how many of them have 4 gigs of storage? |
| 10:58:22 | B4gder | and further away from the iriver flash ones |
| 10:58:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And... umm... rockbox is *almost* done on iPod |
| 10:58:38 | needleboy | ok, and? |
| 10:58:51 | needleboy | did you buy a flash player just for RockBox? |
| 10:58:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I think the "it has more storage" argument about covers it for me. |
| 10:58:58 | needleboy | why not an archos then? |
| 10:59:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | "more storage" |
| 10:59:15 | B4gder | I would definately buy a device on the rockbox argument |
| 10:59:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, since I rockboxed my h120 I've never gone into the original firmware. |
| 10:59:33 | needleboy | me niether on my h340 |
| 10:59:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, why NOT by an iPod Nano? |
| 10:59:46 | needleboy | but that's no reason for player preferance |
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| 11:00:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, what are the arguments against it? |
| 11:00:03 | ashridah | hasn't someone been working on a bit of an ifp port? |
| 11:00:04 | needleboy | the player's hardware is shit = shit. even with rockbox |
| 11:00:14 | B4gder | ashridah: yeps |
| 11:00:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | What part of the hardware is so bad then? |
| 11:00:33 | B4gder | needleboy: what are you basing this on? |
| 11:00:41 | ashridah | what're the hardware differences between the ihp, and the ifp, apart from the obvious? |
| 11:00:56 | B4gder | ashridah: CPU to start with |
| 11:01:05 | B4gder | the ifp is ARM based |
| 11:01:09 | ashridah | aah |
| 11:01:27 | ashridah | it's still a software-based codec platofmr tho, isn't it? |
| 11:01:29 | B4gder | so it is a pretty different beast down there |
| 11:01:32 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:02:15 | ashridah | i must say, the form factor of the ipod nano is attractive. pity i've never been too impressed with the ipod's audio quality. |
| 11:02:34 | needleboy | exactly what i'm talking about |
| 11:02:50 | ashridah | part of which is the actual output stage itself |
| 11:03:06 | needleboy | audio reproduction on ALL iPod players is bad |
| 11:03:30 | ashridah | needleboy: actually, there's one model that's surprisingly better than most, the mini or something |
| 11:03:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | But is that a decoder issue or a hardware issue? |
| 11:03:39 | ashridah | don't know how that rates it against others |
| 11:03:47 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: hardware, it has issues driving the load |
| 11:03:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 11:03:53 | needleboy | hardware |
| 11:04:13 | needleboy | and they use low quality materials as well... |
| 11:04:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, fortunately my ears aren't that perceptive. |
| 11:04:49 | needleboy | mine are, badly |
| 11:05:14 | needleboy | i choose equipment based on audio playback and functionality |
| 11:05:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I have an H120, the Nano's only for situations I'm afraid of risk to the player. |
| 11:05:16 | needleboy | brb |
| 11:06:10 | B4gder | I choose devices based on hackability |
| 11:06:40 | ashridah | i originally chose mine because it played ogg, and it was the first one i could find that was available on the shelf. (the H140 had just hit the shelves here too at the time) |
| 11:09:20 | perplexity | The best sounding iPod is the shuffle. It has a completely different output stage that has a far more accurate bass response. All the others use a lousy capacitavely coupled output stage that can't deliver decent current at bass frequencies |
| 11:09:34 | ashridah | perplexity: that's the one |
| 11:10:04 | ashridah | perplexity: that taken from the page where the guy did measurements on square wave response and whatnot? |
| 11:10:57 | perplexity | indeed.. can't remember the link offhand though. He did some quite detailed measurements of the current capability |
| 11:11:39 | * | ashridah nods |
| 11:11:41 | ashridah | i remember |
| 11:12:34 | perplexity | I was thinking it would be nice to perform similar measurements on my h300, but then got busy with other stuff (as you do) |
| 11:14:08 | perplexity | it also got me thinking that the sound output of the iPod should be significantly better if used with a set of amplified cans with a high impedance input (like the aircraft noise cancelling ones) or an external amp |
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| 11:15:32 | needleboy | perplexity: any DAP will sound better with an external amp |
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| 11:15:56 | needleboy | and the iPod shuffle lacks any degree of functionality |
| 11:16:04 | needleboy | so even if it sounds good, it's useless |
| 11:16:20 | perplexity | indeed, however we were not talking about functionality at all.. |
| 11:16:30 | needleboy | i was :) |
| 11:16:38 | needleboy | nevermind this |
| 11:16:41 | perplexity | and if the DAP has a decent output stage, what improvement would an external amp really provide? |
| 11:16:50 | needleboy | i've been over this iPod discussin a thousand times |
| 11:16:55 | needleboy | it's a dead issue... |
| 11:17:34 | needleboy | uhm, a proper equalizer? stronger output? |
| 11:18:15 | perplexity | hrm.. how loud do you want it to go? and eq?.. I run mine flat |
| 11:18:27 | needleboy | i just know my H340 sounds like heaven without any 3rd party devices |
| 11:18:33 | needleboy | i can't listen to anything flat |
| 11:18:43 | needleboy | i need extremely low bass |
| 11:18:49 | needleboy | otherwise, it sounds shit |
| 11:18:58 | needleboy | (unless i'm listening to classical) |
| 11:19:18 | perplexity | I just listen to it like the sound engineer desired it to be listened to :) |
| 11:19:49 | needleboy | dude, the sound engineer was listening to the mix from a soundboard with studio monitors installed... |
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| 11:20:03 | perplexity | a little like my system at home then.. |
| 11:20:06 | needleboy | not a pair of crappy Sennheiser MX40 earbuds... |
| 11:20:18 | needleboy | mine too |
| 11:20:28 | needleboy | but we're not talking about our home stereos |
| 11:20:38 | needleboy | were talking about mobile music players... |
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| 11:21:50 | perplexity | in which case talking about external amps is a moot point.. which then goes back to the point about the iPod shuffle having the best sound output of any of the iPods. :) |
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| 11:22:15 | needleboy | there are external amps built especially for DAPs |
| 11:22:21 | perplexity | unless you use cans with a built in amp |
| 11:22:21 | needleboy | tiny ones |
| 11:22:25 | * | ashridah notes that perplexity and needleboy are surprisingly agreeing on the same thing, yet still arguing |
| 11:22:30 | perplexity | lol |
| 11:22:38 | needleboy | were not arguing, discussing... |
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| 11:23:02 | gnom | áëÿ |
| 11:23:03 | webguest26 | Is the iaudio x5 sim expected to build? |
| 11:23:07 | ashridah | really? sounds more like you're married :) |
| 11:23:15 | perplexity | actually, I'm going to take my splitting headache and crawl back under my lurk rock |
| 11:23:20 | gnom | ska |
| 11:23:30 | gnom | oi |
| 11:23:32 | needleboy | right back at you gnom |
| 11:23:43 | gnom | russ |
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| 11:23:53 | gnom | wdwdwdwd |
| 11:23:53 | gnom | wd |
| 11:23:53 | gnom | wd |
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| 11:23:55 | gnom | wd |
| 11:24:06 | ashridah | oookay |
| 11:24:16 | needleboy | 26, what iaudio sim?!?!? |
| 11:24:19 | webguest26 | Enough of that, gnom. |
| 11:24:34 | needleboy | haven't even seen there's one |
| 11:24:45 | gnom | wáëÿ ïèäîðû |
| 11:24:47 | webguest26 | needleboy: Well there is. |
| 11:24:59 | needleboy | link? |
| 11:25:08 | webguest26 | To what? |
| 11:25:15 | webguest26 | It's in the buildscript.. |
| 11:25:17 | needleboy | source? wiki? anything |
| 11:25:22 | needleboy | ah, gotcha |
| 11:25:31 | gnom | siski |
| 11:25:33 | needleboy | i thought there was a new target |
| 11:25:34 | ashridah | webguest26: i don't know that it's been receiving too much work |
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| 11:25:36 | * | perplexity sets mode +b gnom |
| 11:25:37 | needleboy | nevermind... |
| 11:25:57 | ashridah | perplexity: heh. it's funny really. he's the most pathetic flooder i've ever seen |
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| 11:26:22 | gnom | ðóñêèå åñòü |
| 11:26:28 | ashridah | hm. i forget who was supposed to be working on the iaudio port |
| 11:26:56 | webguest26 | gnom: speak English please. |
| 11:27:18 | gnom | ÿ òÿ â ðîò åáàë |
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| 11:28:32 | webguest26 | английÑкий |
| 11:28:39 | webguest26 | Wonder if I got that right. |
| 11:28:44 | needleboy | you did |
| 11:28:45 | bolt | ))))))) |
| 11:28:46 | Bger | gnom don't use cyrillic |
| 11:29:06 | bolt | no eng |
| 11:29:09 | Bger | and don't swear |
| 11:29:43 | bolt | moskow |
| 11:29:44 | bolt | moskow |
| 11:30:11 | Bger | B4gder ? |
| 11:30:16 | Bger | please ... :) |
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| 11:30:46 | webguest26 | Has he said anything of interest, or just been a flooder? |
| 11:30:53 | needleboy | flooder |
| 11:30:56 | bolt | rassa alkogol))))))))))))))))000 |
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| 11:31:25 | Bger | 10x :) |
| 11:32:01 | Bger | he said things like "i f*cked you in the ... <unknown word>" |
| 11:32:23 | webguest26 | wonderful |
| 11:32:23 | LinusN | nice chap |
| 11:32:59 | needleboy | linus, you got a asecond? |
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| 11:33:22 | webguest26 | Anyway, on trying to build the iaudio sim, I get "firmware/export/lcd.h:46: error: syntax error before '*' token"? |
| 11:33:32 | LinusN | needleboy: ? |
| 11:33:59 | LinusN | webguest26: nobody has tried to build the iaudio sim for a looong time |
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| 11:34:14 | webguest26 | That would probably explain it |
| 11:34:21 | needleboy | LinusN: i was wondering, you have any clue what's causing the H300 to think that the NON-LCD remote has HOLD on when turning the unit on... |
| 11:34:26 | webguest26 | Isn't it a strange place to error out though? |
| 11:35:03 | needleboy | the remote works perfectly in the firmware itself, after patching it with my patch, but the bootloader still thinks it's on HOLD. |
| 11:35:32 | needleboy | all other remotes now turn the unit on without problems, so it's only the NON-LCD one. |
| 11:36:25 | LinusN | the non-lcd remote is totally different from the other ones |
| 11:37:00 | needleboy | is this a problem with the bootloader? |
| 11:37:14 | needleboy | meaning, is it fixeable from the bootloader only? |
| 11:37:50 | muesli__ | LinusN could you sort out bootloaders v4 probs`? |
| 11:38:10 | needleboy | muesli, he's working on it |
| 11:38:23 | muesli__ | ok :) |
| 11:39:04 | needleboy | no excuse to AFK though... :) joking! |
| 11:41:11 | webguest26 | I remember seeing somewhere a trick where you only do the preprocessor step of compilation when running make, how does that work? |
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| 11:43:46 | needleboy | it's been 12 hours since the bootloader fired back, and the questions don't stop coming |
| 11:44:06 | needleboy | no one reads huge red print notices anymore |
| 11:44:35 | t0mas | in the wiki? :) |
| 11:44:36 | Lost-ash | needleboy: wait wait wait. wouldn't that imply that at some stage, they did read them?! |
| 11:45:03 | Lost-ash | webguest26: there's flags for gcc that make it output the result of the preprocessor. |
| 11:45:12 | Lost-ash | i forget the exact one, not in a position to check just now |
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| 11:46:59 | needleboy | t0mas, wiki, misticriver, it's everywhere |
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| 12:32:56 | needleboy | ah... the quiet before the storm... |
| 12:33:43 | Membrillo | needleboy: i made a post about my new version of the downloader but i guess it has to be passed by mods or something because it hasnt gone up yet |
| 12:33:58 | B4gder | I just read it |
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| 12:34:10 | Membrillo | really? |
| 12:34:13 | Membrillo | must of gone up then |
| 12:34:54 | Membrillo | ah |
| 12:34:56 | Membrillo | tremendous |
| 12:35:01 | needleboy | where is it? |
| 12:35:05 | needleboy | i don't see it... |
| 12:35:17 | Membrillo | its under general rockbox |
| 12:35:23 | Membrillo | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35063 |
| 12:36:03 | needleboy | ah |
| 12:36:17 | needleboy | i'll link from my post to it |
| 12:36:31 | needleboy | thanks for adding my version, btw! |
| 12:36:42 | Membrillo | no probs |
| 12:36:56 | Membrillo | please give it a test and tell me if you find any bugs |
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| 12:39:05 | needleboy | niiiice |
| 12:39:08 | needleboy | works a charm |
| 12:39:13 | needleboy | i like the new download meter |
| 12:39:33 | needleboy | only thing i don't get... what's with the pastel colours? :)) |
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| 12:42:10 | Membrillo | pastel colours? |
| 12:42:19 | Membrillo | i dunno |
| 12:42:24 | Membrillo | i just picked random colours |
| 12:42:38 | Membrillo | im not really a big guy on aesthetics |
| 12:43:01 | B4gder | a true rockbox guy then! ;-) |
| 12:43:19 | Membrillo | through and through man |
| 12:43:26 | Membrillo | ;) |
| 12:43:32 | needleboy | hehe |
| 12:43:45 | needleboy | anyway, works great |
| 12:43:50 | Membrillo | awesome |
| 12:44:09 | Membrillo | that is seriously the worst coding ive done. Unbelievably messy and poorly done. But hey it works |
| 12:44:21 | needleboy | no chance for you to grab news from misticriver into the program, right? |
| 12:44:26 | Membrillo | i started off thinking it was going to be small so i didnt bother with the little nit bits |
| 12:44:33 | Membrillo | now its huge and i regret that decision |
| 12:44:47 | Membrillo | news from misticriver? |
| 12:44:49 | Membrillo | i could do |
| 12:44:50 | needleboy | i might actually start keeping a changelog in a txt file, then you can link to it before downloading... |
| 12:44:58 | Membrillo | yes please! |
| 12:45:01 | needleboy | i meant changes in the version and stuff |
| 12:45:12 | Membrillo | if i had the changelog or recent CVS changes on a seperate pages |
| 12:45:18 | Membrillo | on a seperate page* |
| 12:45:34 | Membrillo | i could have a thing were that pops out the side of the program if you click a tab |
| 12:45:37 | needleboy | there must be some XML system they work with |
| 12:45:44 | Membrillo | yeah |
| 12:45:46 | B4gder | you download daily builds with that? |
| 12:45:50 | needleboy | ask them |
| 12:45:57 | needleboy | daily/bleeding/optimized |
| 12:45:59 | Membrillo | well, i can download a page as html then parse the HTML |
| 12:46:06 | needleboy | yeah, that too |
| 12:46:13 | needleboy | but more work... |
| 12:46:13 | B4gder | Membrillo: you know about the http://www.rockbox.org/daily/build-info right? |
| 12:46:29 | needleboy | b4gder, it's empty :) |
| 12:46:34 | B4gder | no |
| 12:46:34 | Membrillo | you |
| 12:46:35 | Membrillo | yeah* |
| 12:46:42 | Membrillo | the recent changes is daily |
| 12:46:55 | B4gder | that file keeps the date of the most recent daily build |
| 12:46:57 | needleboy | exactly |
| 12:46:57 | Membrillo | i was hoping for the updated on cvs change one (like on the front page) |
| 12:47:05 | needleboy | exactly |
| 12:47:09 | B4gder | updated by the daily build script |
| 12:47:12 | Membrillo | on a seperate page |
| 12:47:18 | Membrillo | just that table |
| 12:47:41 | Membrillo | is there one thats created by the bleeding build script? |
| 12:47:58 | B4gder | no, but I could make one |
| 12:48:10 | Membrillo | that would be terrific |
| 12:48:16 | Membrillo | included in the next version for sure |
| 12:48:27 | Membrillo | next is figuring out how to parse the HTML in vb |
| 12:48:49 | webguest26 | Masochist |
| 12:49:47 | Membrillo | whats that? |
| 12:50:20 | needleboy | 26, i second that |
| 12:50:20 | webguest26 | Someone who enjoys being in pain |
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| 12:52:40 | B4gder | Membrillo: ok, I have added a file with the time stamp. now I just need a few commits to see that it works as supposed |
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| 12:54:14 | LinusN | B4gder: i can commit a broken bootloader ;-) |
| 12:54:24 | B4gder | go go go |
| 12:54:26 | B4gder | :-P |
| 12:54:28 | Membrillo | lol |
| 12:54:30 | Membrillo | nice |
| 12:54:46 | B4gder | it is meant to be available like this http://www.rockbox.org/auto/output/build-info |
| 12:55:29 | B4gder | I hand edited this version |
| 12:55:50 | Membrillo | B4gder: out of curiosity, how is the Recent CVS Changes table generated if something like this hasnt been done before? |
| 12:56:02 | B4gder | ? |
| 12:56:12 | B4gder | why would that need a file with a time stamp? |
| 12:56:48 | Membrillo | well, what adds the commits to that? is it done manually? |
| 12:57:08 | B4gder | no |
| 12:57:23 | B4gder | it is a script that extrct the latest changes and show them as html |
| 12:57:28 | Membrillo | ah ok |
| 12:57:30 | Membrillo | fair enough |
| 12:57:42 | Membrillo | i dont really no anything when it comes to web pages |
| 12:57:58 | B4gder | web page is just text |
| 12:59:24 | Membrillo | its in HTML though isnt it...? |
| 12:59:48 | B4gder | yes, but html is just knowing what particular text to output from your program |
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| 13:01:16 | Membrillo | im confused lol |
| 13:03:41 | Membrillo | just forget it man. If you create that page or file or whatever, it will be terrific. Thanks! Ill work out how to deal with it lol. Im good at doing that |
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| 13:04:20 | B4gder | the file is updated immediately after all bleeding builds are done |
| 13:04:33 | Membrillo | awesome |
| 13:04:37 | Membrillo | sounds perfect |
| 13:04:37 | B4gder | (and independently of them being red or yellow or...) |
| 13:06:44 | | Quit ehntoo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 13:08:51 | needleboy | say, the usb mode in the bootloader, what is it good for? |
| 13:08:56 | needleboy | ROM flashing? |
| 13:09:26 | B4gder | its good for quick USB mode |
| 13:09:33 | LinusN | and for safety |
| 13:09:35 | B4gder | and USB without using hdd |
| 13:09:51 | B4gder | without using it before going USB mode I mean |
| 13:10:09 | needleboy | ah |
| 13:10:19 | needleboy | so it's not a devs only update |
| 13:10:29 | needleboy | it'll acually make the rockbox work/load better |
| 13:10:32 | needleboy | ? |
| 13:10:34 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:10:37 | needleboy | nice |
| 13:10:43 | needleboy | so... when? |
| 13:10:46 | needleboy | :)) joking |
| 13:14:15 | Membrillo | if you have a corrupt file on your HDD and it wont start up, you can access USB mode without touching the HDD |
| 13:14:39 | needleboy | oooh, that's a nice possibility |
| 13:15:51 | needleboy | this day is one of the most boring ones |
| 13:16:06 | needleboy | i've no work to do, no updates of rockbox to compile |
| 13:16:08 | needleboy | grrr |
| 13:16:35 | needleboy | and i'm sick of monopoly on the rockboy... |
| 13:19:01 | NicoFR | needleboy: I saw you said you didn't apply the sokoban level caching patch because it didn't compile |
| 13:19:11 | NicoFR | I can give you a working version if you want |
| 13:19:46 | needleboy | not the one on the tracker you mean/ |
| 13:19:47 | needleboy | ? |
| 13:19:51 | NicoFR | yes |
| 13:19:58 | needleboy | go |
| 13:20:06 | NicoFR | in fact there is only one hunk that does'nt apply correctly |
| 13:20:17 | needleboy | that's what i had |
| 13:20:25 | needleboy | but then the whole build didn't compile |
| 13:20:32 | NicoFR | I added it by hand |
| 13:20:59 | needleboy | mind linking me, or send me? |
| 13:21:07 | NicoFR | i'll link |
| 13:21:09 | needleboy | does it make much difference btw? |
| 13:21:23 | Membrillo | is it possible to create a sudoku random number pattern generator? |
| 13:21:24 | NicoFR | I like it |
| 13:21:30 | needleboy | most levels load nearly instantly, so there's hardly any HD spinning |
| 13:21:37 | NicoFR | i'll just create a patch of all the sokoban changes |
| 13:21:44 | needleboy | Membrillo, there are programs for that |
| 13:21:46 | NicoFR | including the other patch |
| 13:21:53 | needleboy | www.sudoku.com |
| 13:22:23 | Membrillo | so you download like a... levels file? |
| 13:22:26 | needleboy | Nico... maybe just patch everything and send me the .rock? |
| 13:22:59 | needleboy | membrillo, yup. exactly. you can just put thousands as text files |
| 13:23:04 | NicoFR | i've just made a diff file you can apply |
| 13:23:05 | needleboy | on the HD i mean |
| 13:23:22 | needleboy | a diff with what? only the level caching? |
| 13:23:41 | NicoFR | i can do that if you want but currently it has both the patches |
| 13:23:42 | needleboy | or the H300 optimization as well? |
| 13:23:52 | NicoFR | both |
| 13:24:00 | needleboy | that's great, thanks. send me. |
| 13:24:19 | needleboy | so it doesn't return any errors now? |
| 13:24:40 | needleboy | cause the h300 sokoban also returned an error on a single hunk |
| 13:24:53 | NicoFR | it builds fine here |
| 13:25:01 | NicoFR | can you see my DCC request ? |
| 13:25:08 | needleboy | no, i'm on the web irc |
| 13:25:14 | needleboy | sorry |
| 13:25:23 | NicoFR | ok nevermind.. link |
| 13:25:30 | NicoFR | http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/sokoban_all.patch |
| 13:25:49 | needleboy | excellent |
| 13:25:55 | needleboy | thanks, i'll try it now |
| 13:26:24 | needleboy | devs, any commits planned for the next hour or so? |
| 13:28:37 | LinusN | i certainly hope so |
| 13:28:53 | B4gder | I plan to have more coffee! |
| 13:28:53 | NicoFR | the fixed bootloader ? |
| 13:29:02 | LinusN | hopefully |
| 13:29:05 | NicoFR | :) |
| 13:30:35 | NicoFR | needleboy: do you add plugins manually in your build or do you compile them from source ? |
| 13:30:45 | needleboy | hold on |
| 13:31:17 | PaulJ | needleboy: it seems that in your bild the wps crossfade tag interferes with the rtc tag (both begin with %c) i got an error (I04:IllInstr) when i mad a test WPS that contauns a crossfade tag. |
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| 13:31:44 | * | B4gder jumps |
| 13:31:47 | B4gder | a rasher |
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| 13:34:22 | LinusN | B4gder: a rasher? |
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| 13:34:29 | B4gder | check the commit |
| 13:34:52 | LinusN | holy cow |
| 13:35:01 | LinusN | back from the dead |
| 13:35:21 | B4gder | yes, only holy cows can do that |
| 13:35:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:35:50 | needleboy | voice entries? |
| 13:35:57 | needleboy | what are you talking about? |
| 13:36:20 | B4gder | this http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-01-11%2012:31:18.html |
| 13:36:42 | PaulJ | needleboy: oops, i was wrong, i got the error because of a syntax error in the test WPS |
| 13:36:57 | needleboy | paul, yeah, i was just checking that |
| 13:37:26 | needleboy | NicoFR: most plugins i have as rocks, so no need to compile them |
| 13:37:30 | needleboy | the devs do a fine job |
| 13:37:43 | LinusN | sometimes... |
| 13:37:50 | B4gder | you have the wav2mp3 plugin? |
| 13:37:53 | NicoFR | and you add them to the zip amnually ? |
| 13:37:57 | needleboy | yeah, i do |
| 13:38:03 | needleboy | to both questions |
| 13:38:21 | * | B4gder considers committing that plugin |
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| 13:38:35 | LinusN | doh! i found the bootloader bug |
| 13:38:35 | NicoFR | do you know you can have them added automatically ? |
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| 13:38:50 | B4gder | goodie LinusN |
| 13:38:52 | NicoFR | needleboy: do you know you can have them added automatically ? |
| 13:39:00 | LinusN | and it is a NAAAAASTy one |
| 13:39:01 | needleboy | ? |
| 13:39:06 | preglow | having an office next to another office that's worked on with hammers and powertools = bliss |
| 13:39:08 | aliask | What was wrong? |
| 13:39:20 | LinusN | one of the trickiest ones i've seen in a long time |
| 13:39:27 | aliask | Sounds like fun :) |
| 13:39:34 | NicoFR | I edited the buildzip.pl to have everything done automatically when I "make zip" |
| 13:39:55 | LinusN | it turns out that the bootloader dies when the .bss segment is large |
| 13:39:58 | B4gder | NicoFR: what did you need to edit? |
| 13:40:17 | LinusN | not because it overwrites stuff or anything |
| 13:40:42 | NicoFR | I needed to make it include files like bubbles.level or the splah.bmp files from eli's plugins |
| 13:40:43 | needleboy | Nico: how? |
| 13:40:49 | LinusN | but because it takes so long to fill it with zeros, so the PCF50606 times out and shuts off (!) |
| 13:40:56 | B4gder | NicoFR: aha |
| 13:41:13 | B4gder | LinusN: hehe, that's indeed a nasty one... and a good find! |
| 13:41:25 | aliask | Can you change the timeout, or is making the bss smaller the answer? |
| 13:41:26 | LinusN | and the unicode patch increased the .bss segment with 64k |
| 13:41:36 | NicoFR | needleboy: first I included the sources of the plugins I wanted in app/plugins |
| 13:41:41 | LinusN | i can't change the timeout |
| 13:41:51 | NicoFR | then I edited apps/plugins/SOURCES to make them compile |
| 13:41:55 | preglow | what's wrong with a large bss? |
| 13:42:04 | LinusN | i'll have to set the KEEP_ACT pin before filling the .bss segment |
| 13:42:23 | needleboy | i'll take a look, thanks |
| 13:42:23 | NicoFR | and I added the other files in apps/plugins (things like splash files andlevels) |
| 13:42:27 | LinusN | preglow: read a few lines up the irc log |
| 13:42:41 | NicoFR | and I edited tools/buildzip.pl to have them included in the zip |
| 13:42:57 | preglow | right, i'm blind |
| 13:43:05 | Membrillo | Well, thats a damn bugger |
| 13:43:13 | LinusN | took me quite some time to find |
| 13:43:21 | preglow | i can imagine |
| 13:43:27 | NicoFR | you can also make the WPS inclusion and theme creation automatic in a similar manner |
| 13:43:31 | preglow | i don't think i would have found it :> |
| 13:43:33 | LinusN | reverting one cvs file at a time until it suddenly started working |
| 13:44:00 | preglow | bloody power management chips |
| 13:44:01 | LinusN | then it started working when i reverted fat.c |
| 13:44:15 | Membrillo | so in a nutshell... theres too much stuff in rockbox? |
| 13:44:25 | LinusN | but it crashes long before the fat functions are called |
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| 13:45:08 | LinusN | the answer was that the fat functions used the unicode translation tables, and they got loaded by the linker |
| 13:45:21 | B4gder | Membrillo: yes, we should reduce it to a single bit as then it makes it easier to have it done right! ;-) |
| 13:45:51 | LinusN | Membrillo: no, there's too little stuff in my brain :-) |
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| 13:46:17 | Membrillo | haha |
| 13:46:40 | Membrillo | well, theres more stuff in your skull than mine obviously... this conversation has completely lost me |
| 13:46:48 | LinusN | lol |
| 13:46:56 | needleboy | me too |
| 13:47:13 | LinusN | now i just have to find a clean solution to the KEEP_ACT problem |
| 13:47:21 | Membrillo | should i report on MR that the bootloader bugs been found? |
| 13:47:28 | needleboy | format c: /y ??? |
| 13:47:33 | Membrillo | but its a "NAAAAASTy one" |
| 13:47:34 | needleboy | memb, not yet |
| 13:47:34 | LinusN | i guess moving the bss clearing to main.c would work |
| 13:47:41 | Membrillo | okey doke |
| 13:47:58 | needleboy | you'll get 1000s of questions |
| 13:48:05 | needleboy | "when, why what?" |
| 13:48:15 | Membrillo | needleboy: yes, thats very true haha |
| 13:48:19 | needleboy | then they'll come here and bother linus like we do... |
| 13:48:31 | LinusN | just cut from the irc log |
| 13:48:49 | NicoFR | needleboy: have you tried the sokoban patch yet ? |
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| 13:49:20 | needleboy | no, i'm doing something workwise |
| 13:49:26 | needleboy | boss is bothering me... bastard |
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| 13:49:48 | NicoFR | ok |
| 13:49:48 | needleboy | i'll wait for the next bleeding |
| 13:49:52 | needleboy | then i'll recompile |
| 13:50:45 | Membrillo | should i say this |
| 13:50:50 | Membrillo | <LinusN> doh! i found the bootloader bug |
| 13:50:50 | Membrillo | <LinusN> and it is a NAAAAASTy one |
| 13:50:50 | Membrillo | <LinusN> it turns out that the bootloader dies when the .bss segment is large |
| 13:50:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Membrillo |
| 13:50:50 | Membrillo | <LinusN> one of the trickiest ones i've seen in a long time |
| 13:50:50 | Membrillo | <LinusN> not because it overwrites stuff or anything |
| 13:50:50 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 13:50:50 | Membrillo | <LinusN> but because it takes so long to fill it with zeros, so the PCF50606 times out and shuts off (!) |
| 13:50:52 | Membrillo | Dont bother asking what the hell that means, because anyone who knows what it means, is too busy fixing it to explain it to you. |
| 13:51:03 | Membrillo | on MR |
| 13:51:04 | needleboy | good on |
| 13:51:07 | needleboy | one |
| 13:51:15 | needleboy | yeah, post that in the changelog on MR |
| 13:51:21 | needleboy | progress log, that is |
| 13:51:24 | Membrillo | ok |
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| 13:52:00 | B4gder | and the first question will be... |
| 13:52:23 | B4gder | when... |
| 13:52:29 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:52:38 | needleboy | exactly |
| 13:53:09 | Membrillo | posted |
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| 13:54:03 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:54:05 | preglow | progress |
| 13:54:11 | preglow | are there people bloody monitoring the threads for progress? |
| 13:54:25 | preglow | someone post a "DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIVES BEFORE YOU REGRET IT" there |
| 13:54:36 | needleboy | MR readers monitor Linus' bodily functions even |
| 13:54:50 | needleboy | we know when he's taking a piss, we know when he's eating |
| 13:54:59 | needleboy | LINUS, WE HAVE YOU COVERED! |
| 13:55:00 | needleboy | :)) |
| 13:55:01 | preglow | haha |
| 13:55:24 | ashridah | and then the rockbox troll will claim it's another sign that rockbox is inferior to iriver's firmware |
| 13:55:26 | B4gder | I guess linus should get a web cam and charge for watching Linus TV |
| 13:55:33 | needleboy | haha |
| 13:55:42 | needleboy | classic |
| 13:55:43 | needleboy | classic |
| 13:55:53 | Membrillo | check your house linus. The omgz-lolz-newbs have planted cameras |
| 13:56:02 | Membrillo | hahaha |
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| 13:56:08 | * | B4gder imagines Linus wearing product placement shirts with big brand names visible on the show |
| 13:56:11 | Membrillo | niiiice B4gder |
| 13:56:14 | Membrillo | hahahah |
| 13:56:34 | Membrillo | when i code rockbox... i where Nike |
| 13:56:36 | Membrillo | wear* |
| 13:57:09 | B4gder | look, I rub my sneakers against the carpet and then I touch this little circuit here... |
| 13:57:17 | ashridah | "Linus uses google, shouldn't you?" |
| 13:57:33 | Membrillo | hahaha |
| 13:57:54 | needleboy | lol b4gder |
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| 13:59:26 | B4gder | ok, the timestamp thing failed |
| 13:59:26 | LinusN | "linus doesn't have a life, why should you?" |
| 13:59:35 | B4gder | but I think I know why and it might work after next commit |
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| 14:00:33 | B4gder | "but wait, if you tune in on Linus TV now for only 19USD/month, you also get a pair of bonus PCBs, burnt by Linus himself" |
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| 14:00:51 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 14:00:58 | * | B4gder does some work instead |
| 14:01:07 | Membrillo | hahaha |
| 14:01:13 | Membrillo | rockbox comedy group |
| 14:02:14 | * | preglow throws pies |
| 14:04:02 | * | linuxstb wonders which channel he's stumbled into |
| 14:06:04 | preglow | got tired of coding, venturing into slapstick comedy instead |
| 14:06:11 | linuxstb | preglow: It seems the ipod bootloader still refuses to load the Apple firmware on the Nano... But it's working on the 4G and video. |
| 14:06:21 | preglow | gahh |
| 14:06:35 | preglow | i can give it a go now |
| 14:06:43 | preglow | to see if my nano's on crack as well |
| 14:07:32 | preglow | oooh, microsoft got the fat32 patents |
| 14:07:52 | * | preglow can see letters from lawyers coming |
| 14:08:00 | needleboy | omg |
| 14:08:02 | needleboy | nooo |
| 14:08:09 | needleboy | no more... HD players... |
| 14:08:13 | needleboy | nooooooooooooo |
| 14:08:24 | B4gder | it seems they charge the hw makers |
| 14:08:41 | B4gder | by the text on the FAT licensing page |
| 14:08:42 | needleboy | apple are gonna get their weiners chopped off |
| 14:09:12 | needleboy | yeah, same as they did with the memory cards filesystem |
| 14:09:13 | B4gder | yes, 0.25USD per ipod is gonna kill Apple |
| 14:09:30 | needleboy | it will, when it's .25 for every single unit they sell |
| 14:09:37 | needleboy | besides, it'll be higher than that... |
| 14:09:40 | needleboy | no? |
| 14:09:46 | B4gder | not according to the MS page |
| 14:09:53 | needleboy | ah |
| 14:09:56 | needleboy | so it's ok :) |
| 14:09:59 | needleboy | i'm relaxed |
| 14:10:09 | aliask | 14 million (ipod units this quater.) * 0.25 |
| 14:10:29 | aliask | It's still a lot of money. |
| 14:10:59 | needleboy | it is |
| 14:11:19 | needleboy | btw, i actually think the HD manufacturer will pay the patent bills |
| 14:11:23 | aliask | And thats every 3 months, assuming the rate of selling iPods holds steady. |
| 14:11:26 | needleboy | not apple or iriver or archos |
| 14:11:43 | aliask | Hrm, the HD's would be sold unformatted. |
| 14:11:55 | B4gder | http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp |
| 14:12:25 | preglow | B4gder: have you researched whether mp3 encoders also get licensed per hardware unit? |
| 14:12:32 | B4gder | nope |
| 14:12:37 | preglow | would be really interesting to have that cleared up |
| 14:12:57 | aliask | Ah they have a cap of $250,000 per manufacturer. |
| 14:13:13 | needleboy | which is 2.5M units... |
| 14:13:15 | needleboy | or is it? |
| 14:13:30 | needleboy | i'm too tired for decimals |
| 14:13:44 | aliask | 1M units. |
| 14:14:29 | needleboy | lol |
| 14:14:32 | needleboy | yeah |
| 14:14:34 | needleboy | idiot me |
| 14:14:39 | needleboy | i'm off to compile |
| 14:14:41 | needleboy | brb |
| 14:14:49 | B4gder | preglow: the mp3licensing.com is not really clear on the issue |
| 14:14:54 | preglow | i know :/ |
| 14:14:55 | B4gder | but they do charge "per unit" |
| 14:15:09 | preglow | how'd you find that out? |
| 14:15:23 | B4gder | on the pricelist for royalty rates |
| 14:15:34 | preglow | good |
| 14:15:42 | B4gder | "hardware products" 1.25 per unit |
| 14:15:42 | preglow | then why're we waiting to commit the mp3 encoder? :P |
| 14:15:58 | B4gder | for both dec/enc |
| 14:16:09 | aliask | Does the MP3 encoder run realtime? |
| 14:16:12 | preglow | yes |
| 14:16:16 | preglow | at least for some bitrates |
| 14:16:34 | aliask | Nice. So recording to MP3 is a reality. |
| 14:16:39 | preglow | uep |
| 14:16:53 | needleboy | does anyone know how to paste into a DOS window without the menu? meaning a hotkey for paste? |
| 14:17:02 | needleboy | Ctrl+V doesn't work obviously |
| 14:17:15 | aliask | I don't think there is one. Right click paste is how I always do it. |
| 14:18:09 | preglow | don't think there is a button for it |
| 14:18:33 | needleboy | NicoFR: the sokoban compiled like wonder |
| 14:18:35 | needleboy | thanks!!! |
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| 14:26:22 | Membrillo | MR is down |
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| 14:26:47 | needleboy | so it seems |
| 14:27:11 | webguest56 | i think it' just extreemly slow |
| 14:27:19 | Membrillo | nah |
| 14:27:21 | Membrillo | database error |
| 14:27:24 | Membrillo | apparently |
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| 14:27:46 | needleboy | working now |
| 14:27:57 | Membrillo | needleboy: the other day i was using your opto build and you were using an old version of bubbles. Have you updated? |
| 14:29:23 | needleboy | yes, i did |
| 14:29:51 | Membrillo | terrific |
| 14:29:55 | Membrillo | thanks |
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| 14:36:22 | needleboy | ok, new version in online with the new sokoban and a few other tiny fixes. |
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| 14:38:22 | Membrillo | upgrading now |
| 14:39:42 | NicoFR | needleboy: you're welcome ;) |
| 14:40:13 | NicoFR | I also found out how to display a custom text at startup... |
| 14:40:24 | NicoFR | maybe you'd be interested |
| 14:40:28 | Membrillo | anyways |
| 14:40:29 | Membrillo | im off |
| 14:40:38 | Membrillo | Later guys |
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| 14:42:56 | NicoFR | needleboy: also there is an option to make A-B repeat be enabled by a special repeat mode |
| 14:43:17 | NicoFR | like that REC button doesn't do anything by default |
| 14:43:26 | needleboy | it's in already |
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| 14:49:25 | eli_sherer | needleboy: i think it'd be better if you take the XOBOX of your compilation cause it's still very buggy for the h300 and i'm really about to solve it... |
| 14:50:48 | aliask | eli_sherer: Is viewbox working better than when you posted on MR? |
| 14:51:17 | NicoFR | eli_sherer: the tetrox source link on plugbox is broken |
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| 14:55:29 | needleboy | eli, it's in for testing only. no harm in it. |
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| 14:58:40 | Paprica | [15:51:20] <NicoFR> eli_sherer: the tetrox source link on plugbox is broken |
| 14:58:44 | Paprica | i fixed it |
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| 15:00:16 | B4gder | there you go |
| 15:01:08 | Jungti1234 | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data15/2006/1/11/2/DSCF5161.jpg Why does this problem happen? |
| 15:02:21 | Jungti1234 | It was begun in 05.12.29 build. |
| 15:04:14 | NicoFR | thx paprica |
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| 15:07:22 | needleboy | Jungti, what the hell is that? |
| 15:07:30 | Jungti1234 | I don't know. |
| 15:07:49 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 15:09:16 | needleboy | no, i mean, what does that photo show? i just see a couple of vertical dark lines on the screen. |
| 15:09:47 | needleboy | anyone knows why that Shine mp3 decoder is being added? http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-01-11%2014:01:01.html |
| 15:10:01 | B4gder | why? |
| 15:10:20 | needleboy | is it the same we're using now? |
| 15:10:20 | B4gder | and its not a decoder |
| 15:10:28 | Zagor | ENcoder |
| 15:10:30 | needleboy | ENcoder |
| 15:10:32 | needleboy | ah |
| 15:10:37 | needleboy | :)) |
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| 15:13:09 | preglow | gcc people says the m68k/coldfire backend is seeing work now |
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| 15:14:05 | preglow | mp3 encoder in _ONE_ file |
| 15:14:09 | preglow | why, god |
| 15:14:29 | B4gder | I'd guess because of the rockbox build system |
| 15:15:01 | B4gder | but I don't know, I thought it'd be better to commit and improve later on |
| 15:15:04 | preglow | the plugin system supports several files for one plugin |
| 15:15:08 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:15:17 | preglow | and the shine encoder is several files originally |
| 15:15:19 | preglow | oh well |
| 15:16:53 | preglow | hahah |
| 15:17:18 | preglow | is using defines instead of typedef a way to work around rockbox coding rules or just a very original way of doing it? |
| 15:17:40 | B4gder | I'd say it is the wrong way |
| 15:17:50 | preglow | oh, indeed |
| 15:18:05 | preglow | lots of memory wasted on LINE_ATTR on iram data |
| 15:19:12 | needleboy | you both sound very sceptical. should i recompile with this commit? |
| 15:19:27 | preglow | of course |
| 15:19:34 | needleboy | ok |
| 15:19:40 | B4gder | needleboy: you said you already had that included |
| 15:19:42 | preglow | i'm not sceptical, i'm just listing things i would fix if a dared touch rockbox right now |
| 15:19:48 | preglow | s/a/i/ |
| 15:20:17 | needleboy | it's the same encoder that was available as a patch? |
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| 15:20:22 | hiro^ | :o |
| 15:20:27 | hiro^ | howdy. :) |
| 15:21:14 | B4gder | needleboy: there's no mystery that patch tracker entry is now closed |
| 15:21:17 | preglow | ahahha |
| 15:21:23 | preglow | using an accumulator for a count register |
| 15:21:40 | hiro^ | anyone here using the iriver300 rockbox? |
| 15:24:30 | needleboy | i am |
| 15:24:33 | NicoFR | me too |
| 15:25:07 | needleboy | do you mean the H300 optimized version |
| 15:25:13 | needleboy | ? |
| 15:25:25 | preglow | gah |
| 15:25:28 | preglow | my fingers are itching |
| 15:25:32 | * | preglow goes optimising |
| 15:25:39 | B4gder | don't let us stop you ;-) |
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| 15:27:24 | needleboy | wow, lots of errors in the new commit |
| 15:28:29 | preglow | yes, i was waiting for that |
| 15:28:43 | B4gder | you fixing those or shall I? |
| 15:28:50 | preglow | i'll do it |
| 15:28:56 | B4gder | thanks |
| 15:29:01 | preglow | np |
| 15:29:07 | needleboy | you see? iPod... i told you! |
| 15:29:09 | needleboy | :)) |
| 15:30:36 | B4gder | at lest the bleeding edge timestamp works now |
| 15:30:40 | preglow | ahahah |
| 15:30:49 | preglow | only the simulator gets the c code |
| 15:30:57 | preglow | all other targets will eat m68k asm, apparently |
| 15:31:06 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:31:16 | B4gder | to be fair, the patch said it was for iriver |
| 15:33:15 | preglow | well, yeah, but he certainly didn't seem to expect porting it to anything else either |
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| 15:33:46 | needleboy | which one of you is Daniel? |
| 15:33:53 | * | preglow points at B4gder |
| 15:33:59 | needleboy | ah |
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| 15:37:29 | preglow | ahahah |
| 15:37:37 | preglow | setting endianness from the SIMULATOR define |
| 15:37:47 | B4gder | ufff |
| 15:38:03 | B4gder | and sometimes people wonder why we commit patches slowly |
| 15:38:09 | preglow | eh |
| 15:38:11 | preglow | what are the proper defines? |
| 15:38:17 | B4gder | for endianness? |
| 15:38:20 | preglow | yea |
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| 15:38:31 | B4gder | ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN |
| 15:38:39 | preglow | yeah, found them right now |
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| 15:47:35 | * | eli_sherer has just uploaded Xobox v1.2 (more promising stable)! |
| 15:47:55 | preglow | what's that? |
| 15:50:06 | hiro^ | needleboy: that's indeed what i mean. can i query you? |
| 15:52:44 | needleboy | i'm compiling that version. shoot. |
| 15:52:58 | needleboy | eli, the xobox will be in the next release. |
| 15:54:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:55:01 | preglow | why does this thing have its own file selector? |
| 15:55:27 | needleboy | what thing might that be? |
| 15:55:28 | preglow | mp3 encoder, that is |
| 15:55:35 | B4gder | my guess is that he wants to encode more than one file at one go |
| 15:55:42 | needleboy | to encode from WAV files, no? |
| 15:55:49 | needleboy | ah, ok |
| 15:56:01 | preglow | bloody great, it's raining |
| 15:56:37 | aliask | hope you're inside preglow |
| 15:56:45 | preglow | sure |
| 15:56:53 | preglow | but i'll have to go outside at some point in time |
| 15:57:00 | preglow | this city sucks rod |
| 15:57:09 | preglow | -15 one day, +5 the other |
| 15:57:09 | aliask | which city is this? |
| 15:57:12 | preglow | trondheim |
| 15:57:24 | aliask | mm, sunny europe. |
| 15:57:42 | needleboy | i'm in tel aviv, and it's raining non-stop here |
| 15:57:49 | needleboy | and we're supposed to be tropical |
| 15:57:55 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 16:00:28 | needleboy | hiro^: what did you want to know? |
| 16:01:42 | hiro^ | i pm'd you |
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| 16:02:58 | needleboy | ? |
| 16:03:04 | needleboy | did you? |
| 16:03:12 | hiro^ | i did. :) |
| 16:03:25 | hiro^ | 3 times. :) |
| 16:03:38 | needleboy | what's your username? |
| 16:03:46 | hiro^ | uhm |
| 16:03:49 | needleboy | dvp? |
| 16:03:53 | hiro^ | i pm'd you here |
| 16:03:54 | B4gder | you need to be regged to sent privmsgs on this irc net |
| 16:03:54 | hiro^ | on IRC |
| 16:03:58 | B4gder | to send |
| 16:03:59 | needleboy | ah! |
| 16:04:02 | hiro^ | i am regged. |
| 16:04:02 | needleboy | damn, i'm blind |
| 16:05:10 | preglow | must come as a shcok |
| 16:05:12 | preglow | shock, too |
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| 16:06:50 | needleboy | hiro^: it is stable enough to try |
| 16:07:07 | hiro^ | does it have video capabilities? |
| 16:07:16 | needleboy | just make sure you floow this correctly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall#iriver_jukeboxes |
| 16:07:20 | needleboy | no it doesn't |
| 16:07:22 | needleboy | not yet |
| 16:07:25 | hiro^ | :< |
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| 16:07:49 | aliask | I think people are working on it at the moment. Anyway, I'm out. G'night everyone. |
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| 16:08:35 | needleboy | i'm off as well. enjoy. |
| 16:08:41 | | Part needleboy |
| 16:08:42 | hiro^ | bbye |
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| 16:19:27 | saa[b_r]ider | that lanesra was a piece of work :p |
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| 16:23:52 | saa[b_r]ider | anyone around free and would like to help someone trapped behind the great "firewall" of china? |
| 16:27:34 | webguest89 | what's up? |
| 16:28:39 | saa[b_r]ider | having problems loading sourceforge, so I can't download patches |
| 16:29:48 | saa[b_r]ider | if "what's up" was in refrence to my question that is... |
| 16:29:59 | webguest89 | it was |
| 16:30:09 | webguest89 | hm, it's not loading here either, in fact. What do you know |
| 16:30:22 | preglow | they're |
| 16:30:27 | webguest89 | I guess I'll pass |
| 16:30:27 | preglow | they're blocking sourceforget? |
| 16:30:29 | preglow | marvelous |
| 16:31:03 | saa[b_r]ider | well it wouldn't be fair to see it's blocked. it actually loads. half the time at least |
| 16:31:09 | saa[b_r]ider | see=say |
| 16:31:40 | saa[b_r]ider | it only decides not to load when I want to download something |
| 16:32:19 | webguest89 | sounds like sourceforge alright |
| 16:33:04 | saa[b_r]ider | :) |
| 16:33:48 | Zagor | saa[b_r]ider: tried any of these? http://www.proxy4free.com/page1.html |
| 16:35:32 | preglow | i expect they'd be blacklisted pretty fast |
| 16:36:06 | saa[b_r]ider | zagor: that looks great! actually I'm not requiered to enter any proxy settings for my internet connection, but they filter certain sites nevertheless. |
| 16:36:32 | saa[b_r]ider | would it work if I entered these proxy settings in my situation? |
| 16:37:14 | Zagor | saa[b_r]ider: yes, unless the specific IP addresses are blocked in the firewall. try pinging them first. |
| 16:38:09 | Zagor | also, of course, some are slower than others |
| 16:41:07 | saa[b_r]ider | hmm.. I was able to ping a few with no problem, but it won't load any site when I entered the proxy settings into my browser |
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| 16:42:48 | aliask | On the topic of the proxies, try using nyud.net:8090. Use like this: http://www.google.com.nyud.net:8090/ |
| 16:43:10 | aliask | Works for my school's filter. |
| 16:43:16 | Zagor | if any proxy is blocket, that would be it... |
| 16:43:35 | aliask | Well, its the only one that _ISNT_ blocked by my school. |
| 16:43:43 | Zagor | the only? |
| 16:43:50 | aliask | Well, unless there are private ones. |
| 16:44:00 | aliask | I made my own, but I couldn't ever get images working. |
| 16:44:00 | saa[b_r]ider | I thought I wouldn't be able to ping an IP if it was blocked |
| 16:44:36 | Zagor | saa[b_r]ider: normally you can't. it depends on the nature of the block, though. |
| 16:44:48 | preglow | no harm in letting you ping an ip |
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| 16:45:02 | preglow | but then again, it's faster blocking all kinds of access to an ip instead of just tcp |
| 16:45:05 | Zagor | preglow: true, but it's less work to just block the entire IP |
| 16:45:09 | Zagor | :-) |
| 16:45:27 | saa[b_r]ider | btw, I have a router which handles my internet connection. should the proxy settings be entered there rather than in the browser? |
| 16:46:02 | Zagor | no, set them in the browser |
| 16:46:14 | webguest89 | Hasn't anyone implemented tcp-over-icmp-echo yet? |
| 16:46:20 | perplexity | Super Mario in Colour with sound! W000000040000! |
| 16:46:21 | Zagor | webguest89: probably :-) |
| 16:47:05 | lostlogic | Has the thought of using a less crapppy filesystem like ext2 for rockbox'd players been considered at all? |
| 16:47:30 | Zagor | lostlogic: yes, and rejected. fat32 is the better choice for this project. |
| 16:47:51 | B4gder | over and over and over... |
| 16:48:04 | lostlogic | sadness. |
| 16:48:09 | B4gder | not at all |
| 16:48:10 | Zagor | why? |
| 16:48:14 | saa[b_r]ider | not everyone uses linux.... what's your gripe? |
| 16:49:07 | lostlogic | I _do_ use linux and fat32 wastes a lot of space compared to more modern FSs, and I believe e2fs is also more processor efficient. |
| 16:49:56 | preglow | we'll probably support multiple file systems sooner or later |
| 16:50:02 | saa[b_r]ider | it will limit the number of people who'd be able to use rockbox.... |
| 16:50:06 | preglow | ipod especially gives us a good reason to do this |
| 16:50:13 | B4gder | well, if anyone writes a new fs then I'm for adding it |
| 16:50:19 | B4gder | with a nice set of #ifdefs for it |
| 16:50:22 | preglow | but yeah, writing a new fs driver is hard work |
| 16:50:48 | preglow | B4gder: why not a simple mechanism for support several file systems at once? |
| 16:50:52 | B4gder | I doubt there's many users who'd actually use ext2 or other linux-centric fses |
| 16:50:54 | preglow | shouldn't be too much extra code |
| 16:51:01 | saa[b_r]ider | zagor: we have a winner! |
| 16:51:02 | B4gder | i agree |
| 16:51:05 | preglow | B4gder: there's always hfs, which is far likelier to be used |
| 16:51:17 | B4gder | but we'd still need to enable/disable specific fses |
| 16:51:22 | preglow | sure |
| 16:51:27 | preglow | but that's not hard either |
| 16:51:30 | B4gder | nopes |
| 16:51:31 | lostlogic | yeah, but I think it'd be a fun learning experience. The only FSs I'd really think would be _better_ than fat32 are e2fs and maybe hfs... the others are better designed for larger systems, IMO... |
| 16:51:42 | perplexity | minixfs |
| 16:51:46 | lostlogic | ooh! |
| 16:51:47 | perplexity | ;) |
| 16:51:54 | preglow | lostlogic: looking into how to extend our current fs system to support several file systems would be a task i'd love to see done |
| 16:51:55 | B4gder | jffs2 for the flash based ones |
| 16:52:02 | B4gder | :-) |
| 16:52:05 | lostlogic | B4gder: what is that? |
| 16:52:08 | perplexity | now *that* I agree with wholeheartedly B4gder |
| 16:52:18 | B4gder | lostlogic: fs optimized for flash |
| 16:52:27 | lostlogic | perplexity: how's your GCC stuff and/or FFT coming? |
| 16:53:01 | perplexity | has not progressed one bit.. only been back on deck for 1 day after a prolonged period away from the connected world :) |
| 16:53:13 | lostlogic | perplexity: gotcha, welcome back :) |
| 16:53:18 | perplexity | ta |
| 16:53:35 | perplexity | gee, lucky I did not quite get to flashing the new bootloader last night :) |
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| 16:56:17 | perplexity | Heh.. fire up the metronome plugin on an h300 while there is an mp3 playing.. it gets quite funky :) |
| 16:57:01 | saa[b_r]ider | is it included within the daily builds? |
| 16:57:07 | perplexity | yep |
| 16:57:44 | Mongey | is todays builds for the h300 still messed up? |
| 16:57:57 | saa[b_r]ider | I want to delete plug-ins/WPSs/fonts that I don't actually use |
| 16:58:01 | B4gder | it was messed up? |
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| 16:58:18 | saa[b_r]ider | Mongay, are you refering to the "optimized H300 build"> |
| 16:58:27 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Do you ever need to access your DAP from a non-Linux machine? I would love to use a different filesystem on my DAPs, but I don't want to lose the ability to use it from Linux, Windows and Mac OS. FAT32 is the only solution I'm aware of that can do that. |
| 16:58:40 | perplexity | What about UDF ? |
| 16:58:45 | perplexity | just a thought |
| 16:59:07 | Mongey | saa[b_r]ider; very funny( Mongay) no on rockbox, bootloader version 4 |
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| 16:59:37 | saa[b_r]ider | bootloader 4 should still not be installed |
| 16:59:52 | Mongey | yeah ok |
| 16:59:56 | linuxstb | perplexity: Maybe, but does Windows support UDF on a hard drive? |
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| 17:00:26 | perplexity | that is indeed a good question.. If I had a windows box within reach I could test it I guess... |
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| 17:00:37 | B4gder | I very much doubt that |
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| 17:00:41 | perplexity | Sounds like a neat idea.. it's an ISO standard and not patent encumbered |
| 17:00:45 | saa[b_r]ider | you said "daily build". and there was nothing wrong with the daily builds. the problem if I'm not mistaking is from installing the new bootloader |
| 17:00:54 | Mongey | ah ok |
| 17:01:10 | Zagor | what would you gain, anyway? DAPs store multi-megabyte files. storage efficiency is increasingly irrelevant with these file sizes. |
| 17:01:29 | perplexity | read the "patent encumbered" bit again :) |
| 17:01:42 | lostlogic | linuxstb: the only windows machine I ever use is my work laptop... and the only time I plug my DAP into it is when I'm doing rockbox code at work... which wouldn't be a bad thing to stop doing ;) |
| 17:01:44 | Zagor | and you underestimate the pain involved in debugging filesystem code |
| 17:02:14 | lostlogic | Zagor: mostly it'd be fun, I'm not averse to pain |
| 17:02:24 | B4gder | hehe |
| 17:02:35 | Zagor | lostlogic: but our users are... |
| 17:02:43 | saa[b_r]ider | lostlogic: aren't you being a bit selfish when thinking that you barely use windows, while so many people actually do use it? |
| 17:02:54 | lostlogic | I'm not proposing _switching_ |
| 17:03:05 | lostlogic | as preglow says, the good thing woudl be supporting mutiple FSs |
| 17:03:05 | saa[b_r]ider | then that's ok :) |
| 17:03:34 | preglow | anyway |
| 17:03:39 | lostlogic | Zagor: some... some users are more interested in doing neat things than in avoiding pain... so they'd be the ones to test something like a new FS |
| 17:03:49 | preglow | i think this is a decent idea, but i'm not touching the code myself |
| 17:04:06 | Mongey | saa[b_r]ider; so i shouldnt path iriver firmware with the f/w patcher or what? |
| 17:04:14 | lostlogic | :) I'm not saying I _will_ but I'm going to poke around in it |
| 17:04:15 | preglow | Mongey: don't touch it at all |
| 17:04:18 | Zagor | as usual, I am against adding new code just because we can |
| 17:04:36 | B4gder | Zagor: supported HFS for the ipod would be a good cause for that |
| 17:04:38 | preglow | Zagor: but ok, what's your position on hfs ipods, then? |
| 17:04:40 | B4gder | supporting |
| 17:04:47 | preglow | Zagor: force format? |
| 17:04:48 | perplexity | having said all of that.. iriver and ipod can both boot the original firmware, and indeed the iriver *has* to if we want to re-flash.. to do this it *has* to be able to read the disk |
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| 17:05:07 | saa[b_r]ider | mongey, I just realized that I misspelled your nick :p no pun intended! stick to the old bootloader |
| 17:05:08 | B4gder | perplexity: that can change |
| 17:05:18 | Zagor | can itunes for mac handle fat-formatted ipods? |
| 17:05:24 | preglow | no idea |
| 17:05:26 | jelle-k|offline | no |
| 17:05:32 | linuxstb | Zagor: Yes, but it works very inefficently. |
| 17:05:33 | Mongey | problem is i had to take RB off last night so.... |
| 17:05:55 | Zagor | linuxstb: how so? |
| 17:05:57 | linuxstb | It seems to take about 2 minutes for Mac OS to recognise the disk and automount it. |
| 17:06:01 | saa[b_r]ider | mongey, there are links to the old bootloader, so there shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:06:02 | Zagor | gosh |
| 17:06:25 | linuxstb | I haven't tried formatting my ipod as HFS, but using a FAT32 ipod on a Mac is a pain. |
| 17:06:56 | linuxstb | Strangely, I don't remember having the same problems with my H140 on a Mac. I'll have to compare them. |
| 17:07:26 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb, is the mac your main machine? |
| 17:07:39 | linuxstb | No, I have an ibook I use sometimes - mainly whilst travelling. |
| 17:08:01 | saa[b_r]ider | btw, H140 doesn't need itunes, that's why :) |
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| 17:08:17 | saa[b_r]ider | or are you talking about mounting? |
| 17:08:39 | linuxstb | Both - itunes launching and the disk becoming mounted seem to happen at the same time. |
| 17:08:47 | Mongey | i yesterdays h300optimised version on(the .rockbox folder and rockbox. something or other) i just haven't patched the iriver f/w and upgraded. so is it ok to use the f/w patcher on Rb |
| 17:08:56 | Mongey | *i have yesterdays |
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| 17:10:53 | saa[b_r]ider | in Needleboy's "optimized H300 rockbox" thread, you'll find a link to the old bootloader. get that to patch your *clean* iRiver firmware |
| 17:11:02 | saa[b_r]ider | (at misticriver) |
| 17:11:07 | Mongey | ty |
| 17:11:18 | saa[b_r]ider | sure |
| 17:11:24 | Zagor | I can't with a straight face claim that I'd want to force all iPod users to format their player anyway, so yes that is a valid reason in my view to add another file system. |
| 17:12:01 | saa[b_r]ider | Zagor, what's your main RB player? Archos? |
| 17:12:06 | Zagor | yes |
| 17:12:25 | Zagor | the 1.8" players have too small harddrives... |
| 17:12:50 | preglow | ? |
| 17:12:57 | preglow | you have big hands? :) |
| 17:13:03 | B4gder | :-) |
| 17:13:11 | Zagor | :-) no, but a big music collection. |
| 17:13:23 | _FireFly_ | how big ? |
| 17:13:25 | saa[b_r]ider | what drive do archos use? |
| 17:13:29 | saa[b_r]ider | 2.5"? |
| 17:13:38 | _FireFly_ | is it more then 40 GB ?? |
| 17:14:06 | preglow | ok, we need a mechanism to make plugins that use iram stop the codecs |
| 17:14:22 | B4gder | there are 120GB 2.5" available |
| 17:14:31 | linuxstb | Maybe plugins should claim iram, in the same way they claim the audio buffer. |
| 17:14:41 | B4gder | sounds fair |
| 17:14:56 | linuxstb | So either action will require playback to be stopped. |
| 17:15:16 | Zagor | I have an 80GB disk, filled to about 70 GB |
| 17:15:21 | preglow | i think they should, until the day i make an elf loader that can stop playback when it sees an .i* section :-) |
| 17:15:35 | Zagor | there are 80 gig 1.8" drives available, but only inside ipods and toshibas |
| 17:15:42 | linuxstb | There are? |
| 17:15:53 | Zagor | or was it 60? ;) |
| 17:16:01 | linuxstb | Yes, I've got a 60GB ipod. |
| 17:16:18 | linuxstb | Apple currently sell 30GB or 60GB models afaik. |
| 17:16:19 | saa[b_r]ider | 80 is out already.... |
| 17:16:19 | B4gder | the 80 ones have only been "announced" iirc |
| 17:16:24 | Zagor | ok |
| 17:16:26 | saa[b_r]ider | still not in any player yet |
| 17:16:38 | B4gder | which means they don't exist for real |
| 17:17:08 | saa[b_r]ider | 80 drives were announced a while back, but they announced that they'll start/started shipping last week |
| 17:17:12 | Zagor | ...and even when they do exist, you won't be able to buy one. just like the 60s |
| 17:17:17 | saa[b_r]ider | only we don't know to whom :) |
| 17:17:24 | linuxstb | Zagor: So you can get yourself an 80GB ipod when they are available and come back to work.... |
| 17:17:25 | B4gder | we can guess ;-) |
| 17:17:43 | saa[b_r]ider | people have purchased the 60 and installed it in their iRivers |
| 17:17:45 | Zagor | linuxstb: right. that's all I'm waiting for :-) |
| 17:17:47 | linuxstb | ... Or a 80GB gigabeat I hear Markun say. |
| 17:17:56 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 17:18:15 | B4gder | I hear the ifp port needs help too ;-) |
| 17:18:26 | preglow | gaga |
| 17:18:32 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb, you have access to the 5G iPod right, your GF's? |
| 17:18:37 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 17:18:50 | saa[b_r]ider | have you heard about the new DLO dock? |
| 17:18:59 | saa[b_r]ider | "HomeDock Deluxe" |
| 17:19:07 | linuxstb | Nope. |
| 17:19:10 | * | linuxstb googles |
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| 17:19:41 | saa[b_r]ider | it allows for browsing the iPod music on TV! |
| 17:19:43 | Mongey | anyone know anything bout mirc scripts? |
| 17:19:53 | linuxstb | Just what a portable music player needs - a TV interface... |
| 17:20:22 | saa[b_r]ider | iAudio X5 needs help too btw :p |
| 17:20:36 | Mongey | (\___/) |
| 17:20:49 | saa[b_r]ider | well the previous docks with TV out were almost pointless... |
| 17:21:05 | Zagor | that is one thing apple did right: provide navigation input via the expansion port |
| 17:21:18 | saa[b_r]ider | they offered nothing extra compared to connecting the 5G ipod to the TV without it |
| 17:22:06 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb, how do you listen to music at home? |
| 17:22:09 | saa[b_r]ider | PC? |
| 17:22:44 | linuxstb | Yes, a PC linked to an amp and speakers. |
| 17:23:34 | saa[b_r]ider | not everyone has a machine in their living room :) |
| 17:23:49 | saa[b_r]ider | so for people like that, this dock makes a lot of sense |
| 17:23:57 | preglow | is this antonius fellow ever on irc? |
| 17:24:20 | saa[b_r]ider | (provided they had an amp and speakers, and TV of course) |
| 17:24:22 | preglow | i'm curious as to how totally random this iram allocation is |
| 17:25:42 | saa[b_r]ider | Zagor: thank you! I've updated all my patches now! |
| 17:25:52 | Zagor | excellent |
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| 17:32:12 | saa[b_r]ider | has anyone tried astroids.rock? |
| 17:32:45 | NicoFR | I have |
| 17:32:47 | NicoFR | on H300 |
| 17:32:50 | XavierGr | Also does anyone tried the plasma and fire.rock on the iHPs? |
| 17:33:23 | XavierGr | Well plasma and fire plugin crashed on my iHP |
| 17:33:29 | saa[b_r]ider | NicoFR, are the dimensions right on the H300? |
| 17:33:35 | NicoFR | yes |
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| 17:33:49 | saa[b_r]ider | did you compile it yourself? |
| 17:33:52 | NicoFR | yes |
| 17:33:58 | NicoFR | did you make the game ? |
| 17:34:13 | saa[b_r]ider | I make my own build, but I don't know how to compile a single file :) |
| 17:34:33 | NicoFR | well I only included it in my own build |
| 17:34:52 | NicoFR | do you want the .rock ? |
| 17:35:26 | saa[b_r]ider | sure, it would be nice if you can teach me how to compile the .rock from .c :) |
| 17:36:00 | NicoFR | you just have to add a line in apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 17:36:31 | NicoFR | with the name of the source file for the plugin |
| 17:37:15 | saa[b_r]ider | like adding it under /* plugins common to all models */ |
| 17:38:23 | saa[b_r]ider | thanks Nico :) |
| 17:38:52 | amiconn | XavierGr: A number of plugins do currently crash. I have to fix something... |
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| 17:39:05 | NicoFR | snake2 does crash... |
| 17:39:21 | amiconn | My section change leads to a clash between .bss and plugin_get_buffer() |
| 17:39:48 | NicoFR | which change caused the problem ? |
| 17:39:54 | NicoFR | I mean when was it commited ? |
| 17:42:00 | linuxstb | 2006 8 Jan 23:45 |
| 17:42:30 | linuxstb | Very helpful page: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 17:42:54 | Zagor | very long :-) |
| 17:44:05 | linuxstb | Time for 2.6 ? :) |
| 17:45:12 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, what do you say about my proposal to remove all the iram handling to two macros? |
| 17:45:39 | preglow | maybe even move the extern array declarations to plugin.h |
| 17:45:44 | Zagor | linuxstb: you mean there's been two months since 2.5? naah... :-) |
| 17:46:17 | preglow | i don't like all this duplicate code in all the plugs |
| 17:46:32 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 17:48:44 | NicoFR | hey eli |
| 17:48:51 | NicoFR | just tested xobox 12 |
| 17:48:56 | NicoFR | 1.2 |
| 17:49:25 | NicoFR | very nice |
| 17:50:25 | preglow | what is this xobox? |
| 17:50:27 | eli_sherer | well i was mentioned it still is a little buggy |
| 17:50:51 | eli_sherer | go to plugbox and check it out |
| 17:51:18 | NicoFR | well i didn't notice anything particular... |
| 17:51:46 | NicoFR | but it's faster now isn't it ? |
| 17:52:31 | eli_sherer | the balls are slower so the player is relitivly faster.. |
| 17:52:43 | NicoFR | ok |
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| 17:57:06 | saa[b_r]ider | eli, I thought the newest release solved the problem? |
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| 18:05:52 | preglow | hahah |
| 18:05:55 | preglow | the mp3 encoder never yields |
| 18:13:11 | preglow | a good bit of potential for opts here |
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| 18:17:48 | saa[b_r]ider | paprica? |
| 18:17:53 | Paprica | ? |
| 18:18:06 | muesli- | Paprica awsome :D |
| 18:18:08 | muesli- | e |
| 18:18:18 | Paprica | the menu? |
| 18:18:25 | Paprica | he did very good work with it |
| 18:18:27 | muesli- | yepp, looks nice from here |
| 18:18:42 | saa[b_r]ider | which menu? |
| 18:18:45 | Paprica | i ask him for new graphics for all the game |
| 18:18:55 | muesli- | btw D] - death (-1 Life) suxx ;) |
| 18:18:56 | Paprica | look at MR |
| 18:18:57 | saa[b_r]ider | oooooh |
| 18:19:02 | Paprica | lol |
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| 18:19:28 | saa[b_r]ider | I saw your post, so I knew you were around, so I checked if you were here while it was loading! |
| 18:19:57 | Paprica | =] |
| 18:19:58 | mirak | good afternoon |
| 18:19:59 | saa[b_r]ider | I just downloaded brickmania 1.6 just half an hour ago! |
| 18:20:12 | Paprica | lol get the new |
| 18:20:16 | mirak | is it possible to play tetris with rockboy ? |
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| 18:20:41 | preglow | not exactly top quality, this encoder |
| 18:20:48 | preglow | but it's realtime even for 320kbps |
| 18:20:56 | preglow | and i bet i can make it tons faster than that |
| 18:21:32 | Paprica | mirak, you have a tetris without it |
| 18:21:42 | mirak | mmm ? :) |
| 18:21:50 | mirak | great |
| 18:21:51 | Paprica | look at plugbox |
| 18:21:52 | Paprica | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/ |
| 18:21:56 | preglow | the result at 320kbps, though, is a bit off... |
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| 18:25:28 | mirak | preglow: hi, I ask that to you also since you are experienced in coding |
| 18:25:35 | mirak | I explain |
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| 18:26:15 | mirak | in the libmpeg2 there is a function call that take as a parameter a decoder struct pointer. |
| 18:26:57 | mirak | before the function is called values in this struct are at the right value, but once into the called function, the values are set to 0 |
| 18:27:33 | mirak | I don't see how it's possible or even how to debug that |
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| 18:27:54 | mirak | if anyone experienced something like that, I am interested in having info |
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| 18:29:37 | preglow | oh? |
| 18:29:43 | saa[b_r]ider | Paprica: did you give RoTaToR the source for the fast version of "bubbles"? |
| 18:30:07 | Paprica | i post the command in the theard |
| 18:30:53 | saa[b_r]ider | I need to tell him that it actually works so he adds it... |
| 18:31:15 | Paprica | ok |
| 18:31:17 | saa[b_r]ider | btw, did you already update brick mania to 1.7 on plug-box? |
| 18:31:23 | Paprica | yep |
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| 18:31:31 | Shakyamuni | hello |
| 18:31:49 | saa[b_r]ider | ok, I just saw the update |
| 18:32:03 | saa[b_r]ider | you should add the new menu screenshot as well :) |
| 18:32:45 | saa[b_r]ider | hello shaky |
| 18:32:56 | Shakyamuni | yesterday I installed a new battery into my Recorder V2 −− this one: http://store.l-f-l.com/prod/300211-BAT/51F6347605- |
| 18:33:07 | Paprica | mm right |
| 18:33:09 | Paprica | =\ |
| 18:33:12 | Shakyamuni | now whenever I plug in the charging cable, I get the USB symbol |
| 18:33:21 | Shakyamuni | and can't listen to music at all |
| 18:34:32 | saa[b_r]ider | paprica: what' your current project? |
| 18:34:50 | Paprica | lol |
| 18:35:05 | Paprica | not somthing speacial |
| 18:35:25 | Paprica | special |
| 18:35:26 | Paprica | * |
| 18:35:41 | saa[b_r]ider | improvments on current plug-ins? |
| 18:37:31 | NicoFR | viewbox maybe ? ;) |
| 18:38:02 | saa[b_r]ider | that would be sweet :) |
| 18:38:19 | mirak | preglow: owh owh ? |
| 18:38:33 | preglow | mirak: that doesn't have anything to do with coding |
| 18:38:38 | preglow | i have no idea, you need to debug it |
| 18:38:48 | preglow | oh, that kind of coding :> |
| 18:38:48 | Paprica | no, viewbox is eli project |
| 18:38:50 | mirak | that's what I have done |
| 18:39:15 | mirak | preglow: It took me some time to figure out it was here there was a problem |
| 18:39:18 | saa[b_r]ider | paprica: do you know if the same command can increase the speed in bejeweled? |
| 18:39:38 | NicoFR | what command are you talking about ? |
| 18:39:40 | mirak | preglow: I just can't debug more |
| 18:39:40 | NicoFR | boost ? |
| 18:39:52 | mirak | preglow: at least without gdb I can't do more |
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| 18:41:14 | mirak | :-/ |
| 18:41:51 | mirak | I just don't see how this can happen in C. The method is just called. Nothing is supposed to modify the datas |
| 18:41:54 | saa[b_r]ider | "rb->cpu_boost(true);" |
| 18:42:51 | NicoFR | ok |
| 18:43:02 | Paprica | mm |
| 18:43:05 | Paprica | you can try |
| 18:43:26 | Paprica | i have boost bejeweled in the player |
| 18:43:35 | Paprica | dont remember from where i download it |
| 18:43:51 | lostlogic | would make sense to boost bejewled only between when control is out of the user's hands, right? |
| 18:44:28 | saa[b_r]ider | yes |
| 18:45:24 | saa[b_r]ider | I was showing off the new fancy bejeweled to my wife, and her comments were 1) it was too slow, 2) the jewels had white edges :| |
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| 18:45:46 | mirak | I agree it's a bit too slow |
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| 18:46:15 | lostlogic | at leaset it's playable with the LCD update improvements... and with boost, I think it'll be totally playable. |
| 18:46:32 | NicoFR | it is indeed much better with boost |
| 18:47:29 | NicoFR | (i change tu cpu freq before i play) |
| 18:47:34 | saa[b_r]ider | do you have boost enabled on it nico? |
| 18:47:39 | NicoFR | tu->the* |
| 18:48:45 | NicoFR | saa[b_r]ider: sort of... i change the cpu freq in the debug menu |
| 18:48:46 | lostlogic | is there any iram available to plugins that run while music is playing? |
| 18:48:58 | NicoFR | half of it i think |
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| 18:49:42 | NicoFR | 22.36.18 # <linuxstb> IRAM is the fast 96KB of internal memory on the coldfire. Putting data in iram means it can be accessed a lot faster than from the slow SDRAM. |
| 18:49:42 | NicoFR | 22.36.28 # <Lear> but what if you try to run a plugin that needs iram when playing music? |
| 18:49:42 | NicoFR | 22.36.38 # <linuxstb> 48KB of IRAM is used by core Rockbox, 48KB can be used by a codec or plugin. |
| 18:49:50 | amiconn | lostlogic: No. |
| 18:50:00 | lostlogic | that's wha tI thought, thanks. |
| 18:50:20 | amiconn | NicoFR: The point is 'codec or plugin' - it's exclusive or |
| 18:50:23 | lostlogic | having the bejewled jewels in IRAM would be a big improvement, but not happening. |
| 18:50:39 | NicoFR | ok so the 48 kb left are shared between codec and plugins ? |
| 18:50:44 | saa[b_r]ider | joke time! |
| 18:50:53 | saa[b_r]ider | TEACHER: Donald, what is the chemical formula for water? |
| 18:50:55 | saa[b_r]ider | DONALD: H I J K L M N O. |
| 18:50:55 | saa[b_r]ider | TEACHER: What are you talking about? |
| 18:50:55 | saa[b_r]ider | DONALD: Yesterday you said it's H to O. |
| 18:51:08 | gtkspert_ | i get it |
| 18:51:24 | lostlogic | NicoFR: not shared, one or the other gets to use it. |
| 18:51:42 | NicoFR | ok |
| 18:52:11 | preglow | lostlogic: why not happening? |
| 18:52:15 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 18:52:16 | preglow | that |
| 18:52:38 | lostlogic | I'm guessing that's the only way we'll see another major speed improvement. |
| 18:52:56 | preglow | it's got speed problems? |
| 18:52:59 | amiconn | Bejeweled is slow? |
| 18:53:02 | lostlogic | with boost, not really. |
| 18:53:03 | NicoFR | what if there isn't any music playing ? |
| 18:53:08 | amiconn | I didn't have that impression |
| 18:53:12 | preglow | btw |
| 18:53:24 | preglow | i'm under the impression that a lot of plugins don't really do any frame rate compensation |
| 18:53:33 | preglow | with the result that everything moves faster if you boost |
| 18:53:41 | lostlogic | preglow: that is quite correct. |
| 18:53:43 | preglow | well |
| 18:53:46 | preglow | that needs to be fixed |
| 18:54:02 | lostlogic | NicoFR: would have to conditionally move and read the jewels from IRAM... not worth it. |
| 18:54:02 | preglow | even 'credits' fall in this trap |
| 18:54:08 | preglow | it scrolls faster when boosted |
| 18:54:17 | mirak | you might want to give a look at that code and maybe find something weird http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6970 |
| 18:55:00 | NicoFR | and when music is playing the speed of plugins varies... it's a bit confusing at first |
| 18:55:11 | lostlogic | preglow: In most cases, I think the solution is to have the plugin boost during animation, except in those few cases where the thing is blazingly faster than it needs to be. |
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| 18:55:32 | mirak | The call to the mathod happen at line 46. I used gdb on the x86 version I have, but it works on x86 and ppc. Maybe I do a bad use of the audio buffer, but I didn't have any problem with xvid |
| 18:56:05 | mirak | lostlogic: it's really needed to boost cpu to scroll a sprite ? |
| 18:58:46 | preglow | there, new mp3 encoder commit |
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| 19:00:00 | Lear | but should it really be bundled up in one file? |
| 19:01:15 | preglow | god, no, i think it's awful |
| 19:01:18 | preglow | but that's the way it is |
| 19:01:37 | Lear | Not the original, no... |
| 19:02:11 | mirak | anyone gave a look to the code ? :( |
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| 19:02:35 | mirak | by the way, is it a problem to declare a static variable inside a function ? |
| 19:02:58 | preglow | not the original, no |
| 19:03:09 | preglow | but i'm not about to fix it |
| 19:03:10 | preglow | at least not now |
| 19:03:14 | preglow | feel free to do so, though :> |
| 19:03:16 | preglow | dinner time |
| 19:03:19 | preglow | "dinner" |
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| 19:11:16 | Paprica | mmm how can i set a font to plugin? |
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| 19:12:56 | mirak | I have put the static variable outside the function and it seems to resolve that problem |
| 19:13:08 | linuxstb | mirak: I hope your libmpeg2 problems are not caused by amiconn's latest changes |
| 19:13:11 | mirak | well not totally |
| 19:13:33 | linuxstb | There's currently a bug related to get_plugin_buffer (I think). |
| 19:13:35 | mirak | linuxstb: I have this problem since saturday |
| 19:13:46 | mirak | I don't use plugin buffer |
| 19:13:51 | mirak | I use audio buffer |
| 19:14:09 | linuxstb | Then that shouldn't be the problem IIUC. |
| 19:14:14 | mirak | thanks for the info |
| 19:14:22 | Philip_0729 | can someone help me with a WPS for the H300 i have no idea why it won't work... files: http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/12554/Aqua.zip |
| 19:14:42 | mirak | at least putting the static variable outside is doing that the values of the struct are not zero anymore |
| 19:14:50 | mirak | but the values are still uncarate |
| 19:15:03 | linuxstb | mirak: Do you have a clean version of your plugin without all your debugging stuff? I can try and have a look at it this evening. |
| 19:15:16 | linuxstb | Or if not, just give me what you have now. |
| 19:15:52 | mirak | linuxstb: I will give you what I have. You can disable debuging output by modifiing the write_text function I use |
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| 19:16:08 | mirak | linuxstb: I can give you also the mpeg2 sample I use |
| 19:16:23 | linuxstb | OK, that would make it easier to compare. |
| 19:16:25 | mirak | ok I will put that on the tracker |
| 19:17:05 | linuxstb | I'm not sure the tracker is the best place for broken code - do you have a web server you can upload it to? |
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| 19:22:42 | mirak | linuxstb: yes |
| 19:24:18 | mirak | linuxstb: that's in your pm's |
| 19:26:42 | linuxstb | Downloading now. I can't look at it immediately, but will try to later this evening. |
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| 19:27:02 | saa[b_r]ider | strange, when I executed the rbconf command, it didn't ask me for the desired language as it did before |
| 19:27:14 | linuxstb | Yes, that's been removed now. |
| 19:28:53 | saa[b_r]ider | oh, so that's controled by the source |
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| 19:29:26 | _FireFly_ | saa[b_r]ider: no now only english is used as the builtin language |
| 19:32:29 | saa[b_r]ider | lostlogic: would you know how to do the boost in bejeweled for only when the user has no control? |
| 19:48:50 | | Join saab_rider [0] (n=saab_rid@221.223.97.228) |
| 19:51:15 | saab_rider | do the developers browse through the "requested features" list and choose which one to create a patch for if they liked it/thought it was important? |
| 19:51:26 | preglow | i don't think it's very common, heh |
| 19:52:41 | saab_rider | yeah, I know they already have a lot in their hands as is |
| 19:53:19 | saab_rider | but I was browsing through the current patches and noticed that some of them were submitted requested features |
| 19:53:54 | preglow | hahaha |
| 19:54:02 | preglow | someone suggest a j2me environment |
| 19:54:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:54:14 | preglow | why, oh why |
| 19:55:34 | saab_rider | I take it you're checking the requests :) |
| 19:55:48 | saab_rider | it would be slow right? |
| 19:56:04 | Febs | Philip_0729, if you're still around, check your syntax in this line: %s%ac%?It<%?In<%In. |>%It|%acLoading> |
| 19:56:25 | saab_rider | Febs: do you still need the H300 simulator? |
| 19:56:36 | Febs | Yes! |
| 19:57:06 | saab_rider | do you use Needleboy's build? or the regular RB builds? |
| 19:57:39 | Febs | Last time I updated my build, I used Needleboy's, just to check it out. |
| 19:57:50 | Febs | Usually I use the regular build. |
| 19:58:48 | saab_rider | so I'll use the following build 06.01.11 to make you a clean simulator |
| 19:59:02 | Febs | Thanks! |
| 19:59:21 | saab_rider | no sweat |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:24 | saab_rider | you want the Win32 one to use with windows right? |
| 20:01:41 | Febs | Yes, I am running XP. |
| 20:02:16 | saab_rider | ok, it's compiling |
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| 20:03:20 | NicoFR | mirak: I see your libmpeg2 plugin... |
| 20:03:30 | NicoFR | does that mean you managed to fix your bug ? |
| 20:04:14 | | Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 20:04:27 | | Nick saab_rider is now known as saa[b_r]ider (n=saab_rid@221.223.97.228) |
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| 20:14:46 | saa[b_r]ider | Febs: check your PM in IRC |
| 20:15:40 | mirak | linuxstb: you might want to add some exit code by the way, I tend to reset it to often |
| 20:15:52 | mirak | NicoFR: I though it wouldn't be uploaded |
| 20:22:31 | * | saa[b_r]ider prepares to test build patched with 4 patches |
| 20:24:41 | Febs | saa[b_r]ider, did you see my reply? |
| 20:25:10 | saa[b_r]ider | nope |
| 20:25:17 | saa[b_r]ider | you got my message? |
| 20:26:41 | Febs | Well, I got *a* message about an 8MB d/l. |
| 20:26:45 | Febs | Is that the one? |
| 20:26:48 | saa[b_r]ider | yup |
| 20:26:58 | saa[b_r]ider | is your nick registered? |
| 20:29:05 | LinusN | ok, anybody who dares to try h300 bootloader v5? |
| 20:29:27 | saa[b_r]ider | :) |
| 20:29:51 | Febs | LinusN, I'll try it. |
| 20:30:55 | LinusN | it's in the wiki |
| 20:31:17 | Febs | BRB |
| 20:31:36 | * | saa[b_r]ider goes to wiki |
| 20:31:56 | mirak | LinusN: I try if you debug libmpeg2 with your bdm ând gdb :D |
| 20:32:02 | LinusN | haha |
| 20:32:21 | mirak | I can tell you where to put a break point |
| 20:32:42 | LinusN | it's not that easy to debug plugins with the bdm |
| 20:32:50 | mirak | just the stack need to be checked and why the values are reseted to zero |
| 20:32:53 | mirak | ah |
| 20:33:02 | LinusN | also, the h300 bdm has issues with the hard drive power |
| 20:33:07 | LinusN | i don't know why |
| 20:33:21 | LinusN | i can have a go at it, but not tonight |
| 20:33:24 | mirak | so more generally what solution do I have to debuf ? |
| 20:33:30 | mirak | debug |
| 20:33:34 | LinusN | logf |
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| 20:33:44 | mirak | what ? |
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| 20:33:51 | mirak | LinusN: what is it ? |
| 20:33:58 | LinusN | logf - debug output on the remote lcd |
| 20:34:09 | mirak | I debug on the screen |
| 20:34:53 | mirak | LinusN: just look briefly if you can on this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6970 |
| 20:34:56 | linuxstb | mirak: Is your plugin working OK in the sim, but failing on the target? |
| 20:35:06 | * | Febs waits patiently for the iriver fw to boot. |
| 20:35:14 | mirak | linuxstb: In fact I can't build the sim since two month |
| 20:35:15 | LinusN | i have to put my kids to bed now |
| 20:35:26 | mirak | LinusN: ok, kiss them for us :D |
| 20:35:31 | linuxstb | mirak: OK, I'll try and get it working in the sim then. |
| 20:35:42 | preglow | i would not want us kissing my children |
| 20:35:43 | saa[b_r]ider | linusN: just to make sure, this is the link right? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IriverBoot/fwpatcher.exe |
| 20:35:47 | mirak | linuxstb: I am interested in knowing how to make the sim work by the way |
| 20:35:59 | linuxstb | What's the problem? Did you try removing the line I suggested? |
| 20:36:41 | linuxstb | You could also try a different sim - e.g. the h120. It shouldn't make any difference for this type of debugging. |
| 20:36:43 | mirak | preglow: micheal jackson is not one of us |
| 20:36:58 | Febs | Bootloader v5 boots up just fine. |
| 20:37:02 | mirak | linuxstb: I tried and I have the same error on lcd-X11.c |
| 20:37:14 | Philip_0729 | Febs: I don't think its that line it works fine in another WPS i have made... |
| 20:37:26 | mirak | the cross build of windows sim also fails, but not same error |
| 20:37:36 | Febs | Woo hoo! We have bootloader USB mode on H300! |
| 20:38:10 | * | preglow throws the confetti |
| 20:38:29 | linuxstb | mirak: Did you try removing the #include <sys/stat.h> from lcd-x11.c ? |
| 20:38:37 | saa[b_r]ider | what do you mean exaclty "USB mode" |
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| 20:40:15 | Febs | Rockbox handles the USB connection, rather than the iriver firmware, when USB connection is made with the player off. |
| 20:41:18 | saa[b_r]ider | oh ok, I read that the charger still loads to iRiver, which confused me... |
| 20:41:29 | saa[b_r]ider | so USB works now, charger left :) |
| 20:41:42 | Febs | Linus, one issue I notice, however, is that inserting USB causes the player to turn on immediately. On H120, you have to turn the player on to enter bootloader USB mode. |
| 20:42:39 | Febs | Presumably, this will prevent USB charging. (Unless USB charging is active while in bootloader USB mode?) |
| 20:43:52 | petur | I'd doubt that... |
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| 20:44:43 | adamdullenty | hey there :) |
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| 20:44:57 | petur | would be better if the bootloader went to USB charging and required a keypress for disk mode? of just ask the user? |
| 20:45:37 | adamdullenty | was just wanting to ask if anyone knew how I could install the colour changer plugin for the iRiver... the one recently posted on the forum |
| 20:45:41 | linuxstb | Does the H300 have a "normal" charger, or is it only USB? |
| 20:45:47 | adamdullenty | i asked on the forum but nobody saw, don't think |
| 20:45:49 | saa[b_r]ider | both |
| 20:45:55 | adamdullenty | H300 has a "normal" charger, yep |
| 20:46:02 | adamdullenty | well yeah both |
| 20:46:11 | saa[b_r]ider | charges through AC adapter and USB.. |
| 20:47:09 | linuxstb | mirak: Your mpeg2 decoder doesn't crash in the sim, but I don't know what it's doing - it's just displaying "STATE_BUFFER" and "Skip 0" repeatedly. |
| 20:47:24 | Febs | The iriver bootloader goes directly to USB charging (if the "Charge via USB" option is on), requiring a press of the "ON/PLAY" button to connect to USB. |
| 20:48:24 | petur | otoh, I don't know if I want USB charging unless I explicitly ask it to... |
| 20:48:35 | linuxstb | "normal" Rockbox behaviour for usb charging is to default to usb mode, and go to charging mode if the user holds a certain key whilst plugging in the usb cable. |
| 20:48:47 | linuxstb | But this doesn't really apply in the bootloader. |
| 20:49:33 | adamdullenty | me neither. if you're sat in front of the PC plugging in the USB, why wouldn't you have the AC charger right next to you... the main reason you'd be plugging in the USB would be to access the disk. i thought this [usb charging first] was a strange way round for a while now. |
| 20:50:15 | Febs | adamdullenty, I often charge via USB while at work or traveling. It's one less charger to have to carry while on the road. |
| 20:50:39 | adamdullenty | Ah, I suppose |
| 20:50:51 | amiconn | ...and maybe there even isn't an AC outlet near the laptop |
| 20:51:21 | Febs | Petur, I agree. The problem with iriver's approach is that if you have USB charging turned off and the battery is completely discharged, you can't access the firmware at all until you charge with the adapter ... so you can't charge via USB in that situation even if you want to. |
| 20:51:34 | mirak | adamdullenty: because you maybe don't want to bring the charger wherever you go |
| 20:51:55 | mirak | adamdullenty: and the disk spinning suck a lot of battery |
| 20:51:58 | petur | what's the effect on the battery if you're doing mini-charges everytime you attach USB? |
| 20:52:13 | mirak | that's why havinh usb charging while beeing in UMS is interesting |
| 20:52:51 | petur | USB doesn't give enough power for that afaik |
| 20:52:52 | mirak | linuxstb: STATE_BUFFER means that the decoder wants to be fed with data |
| 20:53:20 | mirak | linuxstb: I don't know why I can't build the simulator. it would usefull |
| 20:54:14 | linuxstb | What's the error you are getting? |
| 20:54:44 | linuxstb | Also, your Makefile needs updating for the sdl sim. |
| 20:55:01 | mirak | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6972 |
| 20:55:22 | mirak | I have this error with sdl or X11 |
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| 20:55:33 | Febs | This is interesting. My H340 is now charging via USB, but I am not sure how I got to that state. I'll have to see if I can replicate it. |
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| 20:55:55 | linuxstb | mirak: Try removing that #include |
| 20:56:19 | menollo | is bootloader v5 for iriver working? |
| 20:56:32 | petur | here we go :D |
| 20:56:35 | Febs | Yes, I am testing it now. |
| 20:56:40 | menollo | :) |
| 20:57:17 | Philip_0729 | yes I have v5 running as well no problems yet... |
| 20:57:24 | menollo | nice |
| 20:58:12 | Philip_0729 | whey bootloader USB mode :) |
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| 21:00:28 | menollo | is there an fwpatcher.exe for v5? |
| 21:01:43 | saa[b_r]ider | Febs: send me your e-mail address, the file finally finished uploading :) |
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| 21:02:26 | adamdullenty | where can we download the patches and plugins shown on the patch index page |
| 21:02:59 | saa[b_r]ider | click on the patch number.... |
| 21:03:22 | saa[b_r]ider | it goes to the patch's page on sourceforge |
| 21:03:40 | saa[b_r]ider | then go to the bottom and you'll find "Download" in blue; presto |
| 21:04:42 | adamdullenty | I must be blind :) |
| 21:04:43 | adamdullenty | cheers |
| 21:04:50 | saa[b_r]ider | ;) |
| 21:05:36 | adamdullenty | one other thing... I've read through a lot of pages of the documentation but nowhere can find anything that'll help me figure out how to install this colour changer patch |
| 21:06:01 | saa[b_r]ider | hang on |
| 21:06:05 | linuxstb | Have you tried the WorkingWithPatches wiki page? |
| 21:06:31 | adamdullenty | yep, baffling stuff |
| 21:06:59 | linuxstb | There is also this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 21:07:11 | saa[b_r]ider | there you go... |
| 21:07:21 | linuxstb | If that doesn't help, then you'll need someone to do the compiling for you. |
| 21:07:41 | saa[b_r]ider | I used that same guide, it's not too complicated |
| 21:07:47 | linuxstb | But I'm sure people here will help if you try and do it yourself. |
| 21:08:05 | adamdullenty | I thought maybe the guy writing it did it in a strange way, because the source file is called settings_menu.c :-\ |
| 21:08:26 | saa[b_r]ider | adamullenty: consider getting needleboy's optimized build at misticriver, it already has the color changing patch |
| 21:08:40 | Febs | Here's the thread: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34725 |
| 21:08:42 | adamdullenty | I'd like to try and figure it out, will let you know how i do |
| 21:08:53 | adamdullenty | ah, could try that if I get lost :) cheers! |
| 21:09:00 | petur | aminconn: can you be bothered with another recording gain discussion? |
| 21:09:05 | * | petur ducks |
| 21:09:07 | mirak | linuxstb: it doesn't work |
| 21:09:23 | mirak | linuxstb: I can't remove the include everywhere it complains |
| 21:09:24 | saa[b_r]ider | adam: are you sure that's the one you're looking for? |
| 21:10:03 | mirak | linuxstb: what's your distribution ? |
| 21:10:04 | saa[b_r]ider | I think the one you're talking about is the one that adds multiple colors to wps, which requiers modifying the WPS code |
| 21:10:59 | adamdullenty | I wanted the one at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2261.0 |
| 21:11:28 | adamdullenty | fancied light blue on black, or light green on black |
| 21:11:33 | adamdullenty | :) |
| 21:13:33 | saa[b_r]ider | adam: i beleive the best patch is the one which allows you to select the background and foreground colors from a list of 16 colors on your player |
| 21:14:06 | saa[b_r]ider | it's patch 1397786 |
| 21:14:32 | linuxstb | mirak: Debian. |
| 21:14:45 | linuxstb | If you remove that include, what's the next error? |
| 21:15:03 | * | saa[b_r]ider uses debian based mepis :) |
| 21:15:51 | mirak | linuxstb: the next error is the same error but in uibasic |
| 21:15:54 | mirak | then in sound.c |
| 21:15:57 | mirak | then io.c |
| 21:16:49 | adamdullenty | saa[b_r]ider: i thought that was the one, but thanks, will look at the patch number |
| 21:17:11 | linuxstb | mirak: try adding #include <time.h> BEFORE each #include <sys/stat.h> |
| 21:17:22 | mirak | in io.c the error are severe |
| 21:17:27 | mirak | ok |
| 21:17:58 | linuxstb | But something seems wrong with your system includes. Maybe you're missing some development packages. |
| 21:18:19 | mirak | it doesn't work |
| 21:18:38 | mirak | linuxstb: maybe I can tell what's missing though |
| 21:19:14 | mirak | linuxstb: maybe, I can't tell what's missing though |
| 21:19:33 | linuxstb | You need to look at lines 70-72 of /usr/include/bits/stat.h and see what the types are that the compiler is complaining about. |
| 21:22:11 | mirak | struct timespec st_atim; /* Time of last access. */ |
| 21:22:11 | mirak | struct timespec st_mtim; /* Time of last modification. */ |
| 21:22:11 | mirak | struct timespec st_ctim; /* Time of last status change. */ |
| 21:22:22 | mirak | linuxstb: that's the types |
| 21:22:35 | linuxstb | Do you have the kernel headers installed? |
| 21:22:49 | linuxstb | those are the same types as my version of bits/stat.h |
| 21:23:10 | mirak | maybe not the godd hears |
| 21:23:13 | mirak | I check that |
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| 21:29:03 | adamdullenty | this simple guide to compiling just seems to be talking me through compiling the entire rockbox code |
| 21:29:17 | linuxstb | Yes - you have to do that. |
| 21:29:23 | adamdullenty | is that right? do i need to put the patch in with the daily build then compile the build with the patch in? |
| 21:29:26 | adamdullenty | Ah, kk :) |
| 21:29:29 | linuxstb | Exactly. |
| 21:29:33 | mirak | linuxstb: I have the right headers |
| 21:29:38 | mirak | it doesn't work though |
| 21:30:19 | linuxstb | Try adding #include <sys/types.h> before sys/stat.h |
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| 21:30:39 | linuxstb | Or try and find the include files where timespec is defined. |
| 21:31:25 | adamdullenty | Hey, on working my way through the guide, the command "rbconf" doesn't work... am I being stupid here? |
| 21:31:34 | mirak | linuxstb: I think you must put big endian to zero in the config file |
| 21:31:41 | mirak | config_mpeg2.h |
| 21:31:42 | adamdullenty | or... better question.. anyone know what's gone wrong |
| 21:31:51 | iobound | hi guys, i just installed bootloader v5 and the latest cvs on my h340, upgrading from v2. Overall it's very nice and the USB mode in "main rockbox" is awesome, but I can't get bootloader-USB to work. |
| 21:32:00 | mirak | linuxstb: logical for the sim |
| 21:32:10 | iobound | Anyone else seeing that? It says "Bootloader USB mode" but no drive ever registers on my winxp box. (it works in "regular rockbox") |
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| 21:32:23 | linuxstb | adamdullenty: Try typing "../tools/configure" instead of "rbconf" |
| 21:32:23 | muesli- | bootloader v5? did i miss anything? |
| 21:32:43 | iobound | muesli-, i think it was released a couple of hours ago on the wiki |
| 21:32:54 | saa[b_r]ider | supposedly no more bug |
| 21:33:05 | saa[b_r]ider | we have USB mode |
| 21:33:06 | muesli- | yeah..ive just seen it |
| 21:33:08 | _FireFly_ | SU |
| 21:33:25 | saa[b_r]ider | pluging charger still loads iRiver, till the charger code is fixed |
| 21:33:43 | iobound | but is bootloader-USB known to be broken or is it just me? :) |
| 21:33:56 | saa[b_r]ider | that was V4 |
| 21:34:01 | adamdullenty | linuxstb: whenever I type either "rbconf" or "../tools/configure" it says ../tools/configure doesn't exist. i'll try and find it |
| 21:34:13 | saa[b_r]ider | adam |
| 21:34:20 | saa[b_r]ider | create an empty folder |
| 21:34:31 | saa[b_r]ider | md build |
| 21:34:36 | saa[b_r]ider | then go into it |
| 21:34:39 | saa[b_r]ider | cd build |
| 21:34:42 | adamdullenty | i did |
| 21:35:03 | saa[b_r]ider | what's the path you're in right now |
| 21:35:16 | Lear | in the rockbox folder, where apps, firmware, etc. are? |
| 21:35:19 | linuxstb | adamdullenty: type "pwd" |
| 21:35:23 | adamdullenty | ~/rockboxextracted/build |
| 21:35:42 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: what does pwd do? |
| 21:35:43 | LinusN | iobound: doesn't bootloader usb mode work for you? |
| 21:35:52 | linuxstb | saa[b_r]ider: print working directory |
| 21:36:02 | iobound | LinusN, no, it says "Bootloader USB" on the rockbox but the drive doesn't appear on my windows box |
| 21:36:20 | LinusN | not good |
| 21:36:40 | iobound | but as I said, USB mode works in regular rockbox |
| 21:36:44 | LinusN | iobound: care to try a test bootloader? |
| 21:36:48 | adamdullenty | linuxstb: it says /home/guest/rockboxextracted/build |
| 21:37:02 | saa[b_r]ider | ok.. |
| 21:37:03 | iobound | LinusN, maybe but i don't want to brick my player :) |
| 21:37:08 | saa[b_r]ider | try rbconf again |
| 21:37:20 | LinusN | iobound: don't worry |
| 21:37:20 | saa[b_r]ider | LinusN, bring it on! |
| 21:37:40 | LinusN | iobound: which orig fw version? |
| 21:37:50 | adamdullenty | it still reckons "../tools/configure" doesnt exist |
| 21:37:51 | Lear | and type 'ls ..' (and if tools is included in the list, 'ls ../tools') |
| 21:37:54 | iobound | i have an international h340, and i just flashed rbx boot v5 + 1.29k |
| 21:38:21 | adamdullenty | .rockbox/ build/ and rockbox.iriver |
| 21:38:38 | adamdullenty | i know tools is missing but not sure where to get it from |
| 21:38:40 | linuxstb | adamdullenty: You need to have your "build" directory in the same place as "apps", "tools", "firmware" etc. |
| 21:38:54 | linuxstb | The "tools" directory is part of the Rockbox source that you downloaded. |
| 21:38:55 | iobound | LinusN, hey, actually, i just tried once again, and now it works |
| 21:39:06 | iobound | strange. i waited like 25 seconds the last time |
| 21:39:27 | Lear | adamdullently: sounds like you've extracted a build, not the source archive... |
| 21:39:55 | LinusN | iobound: there is a sleep() in the USB initiation code that might be a tad too short |
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| 21:40:20 | LinusN | iobound: let me know if it happens again |
| 21:40:25 | iobound | LinusN, when it didn't work, i had just exited the original firmware, and when it did work, i had just exited rockbox. i can try both combinations once again |
| 21:40:58 | adamdullenty | Lear: You're right, wasn't paying attention and downloaded a build by accident. whaaaaaat an idiot :) |
| 21:41:04 | adamdullenty | thanks... crikey, crikey. |
| 21:41:09 | iobound | LinusN, ok, now it doesn't work and i just exited rockbox |
| 21:41:55 | iobound | nope, not registering. |
| 21:42:39 | LinusN | iobound: http://linus.haxx.se/H300.hex |
| 21:42:51 | iobound | ok will try it soon |
| 21:43:05 | saa[b_r]ider | LinusN: is that patched already? |
| 21:43:37 | LinusN | iobound: http://linus.haxx.se/H300.zip if you have a slow connection |
| 21:43:42 | LinusN | saa[b_r]ider: yes |
| 21:43:51 | iobound | LinusN, 10sec remaining |
| 21:44:01 | saa[b_r]ider | ok, I'll test it now... anything I should look for? |
| 21:44:20 | LinusN | usb mode should work |
| 21:45:21 | LinusN | afk for a while, let me know how it works |
| 21:45:36 | saa[b_r]ider | done downloading, testing now |
| 21:45:42 | iobound | LinusN, actually, it fails to register with normal rockbox usb mode too (haven't patched yet) |
| 21:46:14 | iobound | LinusN, maybe i could try a patched rockbox.iriver instead of flashing? |
| 21:46:33 | iobound | brb |
| 21:48:20 | saa[b_r]ider | iobound: rockbox.iriver isn't changed when flashing, and is seperate from the bootloader |
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| 21:49:08 | * | saa[b_r]ider holds his breath while upgrading firmware |
| 21:50:06 | iobound | saa[b_r]ider, yeah i was just thinking since usb fails intermittenly in rockbox.iriver too, it would easier to test new versions of that |
| 21:50:29 | adamdullenty | that's a little question, how do you upgrade to a new firmware... just copy-paste it over the top of the old one? |
| 21:51:05 | saa[b_r]ider | you copy the .hex file onto your player, the go to the upgrade firmware option on the player |
| 21:52:13 | iobound | ok now i'm flashing with the linus.haxx.se version |
| 21:52:21 | saa[b_r]ider | Bootloader USB mode works |
| 21:52:38 | saa[b_r]ider | iobound, what problem were you facing? |
| 21:53:16 | iobound | saa[b_r]ider, it seems the usb mode only works 25% of the time ("works", as in, the iriver drive appears as a drive letter) |
| 21:54:06 | iobound | LinusN, ok, attempt #1 of #1: drive appears |
| 21:54:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:54:56 | iobound | LinusN, attempt #2: drive does not appear :( |
| 21:55:34 | iobound | is there a way to "force" windows into trying to detect usb drives? |
| 21:55:57 | mirak | linuxstb: what gcc version do you use ? |
| 21:56:06 | saa[b_r]ider | not that I know of.... |
| 21:56:20 | mirak | who uses an Ubuntu here and manage to compile the simulator ? |
| 21:56:26 | saa[b_r]ider | iobound: is your player off, and then you plug the USB cable? |
| 21:56:47 | iobound | saa[b_r]ider, yes |
| 21:57:01 | saa[b_r]ider | tried 3 times till now, and it's fine with me |
| 21:57:21 | iobound | attempt #3: driver registers |
| 21:57:24 | iobound | so that's 2 out of 3 so far |
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| 21:58:16 | iobound | attempt #4: no drive registers |
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| 21:58:37 | saa[b_r]ider | are you using XP? |
| 21:58:40 | iobound | yes |
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| 22:00:00 | linuxstb | mirak: I'm using gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051111 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-4) |
| 22:00:01 | iobound | LinusN, it seems to work at random, still. |
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| 22:01:15 | iobound | attempt #5: works |
| 22:03:46 | saa[b_r]ider | Febs: I sent it again to both e-mails |
| 22:03:51 | iobound | attempt #6: works |
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| 22:07:47 | paulheu | linus, you here? |
| 22:08:05 | paulheu | got an iRiver bootloader v5 Q |
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| 22:11:40 | Febs | Linus, on my H340, bootloader USB mode on the first try with the revised v5. (It had not worked with the original v5.) Also, revised version does not automatically turn player on upon connection of USB. |
| 22:11:49 | adamdullenty | so to install this newly compiled patched Rockbox that I made... I copy both rockbox.iriver and .rockbox to the root drive? |
| 22:12:12 | adamdullenty | it's already got rockbox on there |
| 22:12:18 | adamdullenty | and the boot loader |
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| 22:12:58 | paulheu | It appears the v5 bootloader is not really doing what it shoudl yet although it does boot.. |
| 22:13:47 | Febs | Attempt #2: bootloader USB mode works; connection to USB *does* turn player on. |
| 22:14:06 | Febs | Attempt #3: same as #2. |
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| 22:14:31 | linuxstb | adamdullenty: Ignore the bootloader - you just need to install your newly created Rockbox. Easiest way is to type "make zip" - this creates a rockbox.zip file, and then you can unzip that rockbox.zip file directly onto your player. |
| 22:14:36 | paulheu | I tried a number of times.. after reading the lastest forum posts and here.. I get stuck on the 'Bootloader USB mode' everytime |
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| 22:14:46 | linuxstb | (this assumes that you have installed the bootloader in the past - it's a one-time thing) |
| 22:15:02 | paulheu | Hmm.. and as he types this it actually works.. |
| 22:15:04 | paulheu | :) |
| 22:15:11 | adamdullenty | linuxstb: yep I have done... oh, on make zip it said it couldn't make the wps |
| 22:15:21 | adamdullenty | "no wps module present" |
| 22:15:45 | adamdullenty | but it did make a zip file |
| 22:15:47 | linuxstb | Do you have a "wps" directory in the same place as apps, tools, etc ? |
| 22:15:52 | adamdullenty | is this okay? |
| 22:16:20 | adamdullenty | nope |
| 22:16:20 | linuxstb | But yes, if you unzip your new Rockbox over the top of an old installation, it doesn't matter if the WPS modules are missing. |
| 22:16:32 | adamdullenty | ah okay |
| 22:17:21 | adamdullenty | cheers :) |
| 22:20:30 | paulheu | OK.. so it worked once, but have a 100% noluck rating otherwise.. I do hear a reaction from the HD after a few seconds, but nothing happens otherwise.. |
| 22:22:23 | adamdullenty | Woohoo! blue-on-black is enough to bring forth tears of joy |
| 22:22:25 | adamdullenty | gorgeous |
| 22:22:30 | darkless | ok, I have a question. Is it possible to bypass the digital volume control altogether when feeding an external DAC via optical out? |
| 22:22:35 | adamdullenty | thanks for the help - the colour changer works fine :) |
| 22:22:56 | adamdullenty | the inverting is a bit annoying but hopefully that is fixable |
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| 22:23:55 | linuxstb | Now you can compile, you can make your own changes... |
| 22:24:03 | paulheu | Febs? |
| 22:24:24 | adamdullenty | aye, aye :) |
| 22:24:43 | adamdullenty | any idea where the code is which inverts the colours? i bet so many people have been asking that reckoning they can figure it out... |
| 22:24:57 | adamdullenty | inc clueless ones such as myself |
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| 22:25:50 | deltaNINE | howdy all - anybody know what the plugin "fire" does? i was just messin round with some of the plugins and this one F@#Xored my iRiver |
| 22:26:30 | darkless | anyone? |
| 22:26:32 | linuxstb | Paprica: Your brickmania works nicely on my ipod... |
| 22:26:51 | linuxstb | Have you submitted it to the patch tracker yet, or is there work you still want to do? |
| 22:27:05 | Paprica | mm i still work on it |
| 22:27:10 | Paprica | on which ipod? |
| 22:28:19 | paulheu | OK.. here's what I find on the v5 bootloader for iRiver H3x0. if you keep the iRiver off for >15 seconds before you plug in the USB connector it works, otherwise it does not.. |
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| 22:28:40 | linuxstb | Paprica: A 4G Color. The LCD is the same dimensions as the H300. |
| 22:28:54 | linuxstb | I just needed to add some key bindings. |
| 22:29:10 | Paprica | ok |
| 22:29:13 | linuxstb | However, the bitmaps need to be in a different format for the ipod, so the colours are all wrong. |
| 22:29:23 | Paprica | ohh |
| 22:29:32 | linuxstb | Do you still have the original .bmp files? |
| 22:29:38 | darkless | I guess what I'm really asking for is if there's any way to get a bit-perfect output via the optical out |
| 22:29:43 | deltaNINE | plugin - fire - anybody run this on their iRiver? it has buggered mine up pretty good |
| 22:30:01 | Paprica | mm i ask from the man that made the nice menu |
| 22:30:07 | Paprica | to make new graphics |
| 22:30:14 | Paprica | mm |
| 22:30:22 | Paprica | i wait for n answer |
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| 22:30:35 | Paprica | do you want the orginal graphics? |
| 22:31:01 | * | preglow wants more stuff to optimise :/ |
| 22:31:08 | linuxstb | I don't need them now, but hopefully the Rockbox build system will soon be able to use bmp files directly - so you won't have to run bmp2rb yourself. |
| 22:31:17 | linuxstb | preglow: AAC? |
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| 22:31:24 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:31:24 | deltaNINE | guess none of ya'll have irivers |
| 22:31:24 | linuxstb | Or are you not that desperate? |
| 22:31:35 | preglow | did the profiler work with aac? |
| 22:31:42 | Paprica | ohh very good |
| 22:31:44 | preglow | or was that one of those that made an ICE? |
| 22:31:44 | linuxstb | I don't think it's been tried. |
| 22:31:47 | Paprica | you work on it? |
| 22:32:01 | linuxstb | I started work on it - Bagder may finish it, otherwise I probably will. |
| 22:32:12 | deltaNINE | jest wonderin if anyone else has had a problem with that plugin |
| 22:32:17 | Paprica | mm ok |
| 22:32:17 | linuxstb | It turned out to be more complicated than I first thought. |
| 22:32:20 | Paprica | good luck |
| 22:32:38 | linuxstb | - dealing with all the different bitmap formats needed by the different Rockbox targets. |
| 22:33:02 | Philip_0729 | deltaNINE, i have iriver H300 what plugin?? |
| 22:33:18 | deltaNINE | i can't find ANY info on that plugin on the rockbox site - its the h120 - the plugin is "fire" i believe |
| 22:33:28 | deltaNINE | it has frozen the iriver and I can't turn it off or do ANYthing |
| 22:33:52 | linuxstb | deltaNINE: Press the RESET button. |
| 22:34:06 | deltaNINE | i plan on just letting the battery run out ... where is the RESET button (forgive my ignorance) |
| 22:34:21 | Philip_0729 | bottom of player... small hole |
| 22:34:22 | deltaNINE | ahh - think i found it |
| 22:34:27 | deltaNINE | thanks |
| 22:34:52 | deltaNINE | my iSkin was covering it! that is a really nice thing to be able to do so I thank you for enlightening me |
| 22:37:43 | lostlogic | Is Rockbox's FAT32 implementation a complete reimplementation from scratch of FAT32 or is it based on the version in some operating system (and which one if so)? |
| 22:37:49 | deltaNINE | awesome! reset worked great - thanks philip_0729 |
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| 22:38:09 | preglow | reimplementation, i believe |
| 22:38:41 | * | lostlogic chokes on his multi-fs idea |
| 22:38:44 | deltaNINE | btw: all you rockbox ppl - thank you SO much - I love rockbox on my iRiver HP-120 - ya'll really made this sucker one of the best players out! It was good before but its now EXCELLENT - hats off to ya'll |
| 22:39:15 | Bagder | it is a reimpl, yes |
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| 22:40:12 | lostlogic | I guess filesystems are very tightly coupled to their underlying kernel so porting an FS from one OS to another is 1/trivial. |
| 22:40:19 | preglow | yep |
| 22:40:58 | Bagder | the rockbox version is also stripped from things we didn't need |
| 22:41:06 | Bagder | like 12/16 bit stuff |
| 22:41:13 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:41:20 | Bagder | hm |
| 22:41:21 | amiconn | Rockbox does support FAT16 (Ondio) |
| 22:41:23 | Bagder | no that was added |
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| 22:41:26 | preglow | hahah |
| 22:41:35 | Bagder | well, at least that was one reason from start |
| 22:41:50 | Philip_0729 | can the wps have an image when the hdd is active |
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| 22:42:20 | Toni1 | thanks to bagder and preglow for mp3 encoder work |
| 22:42:48 | Bagder | I didn't do much of that |
| 22:43:13 | Toni1 | to get 10% more performance would have taken me days :-) |
| 22:43:24 | Bagder | that was preglow's work |
| 22:43:35 | Toni1 | ah I see |
| 22:43:39 | Bagder | I only do simple things ;-) |
| 22:43:54 | Toni1 | commitment was one them |
| 22:44:03 | Toni1 | .-) |
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| 22:44:50 | Toni1 | I will try to get this encoder integrated into rockbox |
| 22:44:58 | preglow | you're not by any chance antonius? |
| 22:44:59 | adamdullenty | if I wanted to install a plugin which was a .c file... how would I go about that, please? The simple guide only mentions patches |
| 22:45:14 | Toni1 | yes I am :-) |
| 22:45:18 | preglow | excellent |
| 22:45:23 | preglow | is the iram stuff allocated by random? |
| 22:45:30 | preglow | or did you look to see which arrays were used the most? |
| 22:45:34 | Bagder | adamdullenty: you put the file in the plugins dir and add its name to the SOURCES file and run make |
| 22:45:41 | adamdullenty | thanks! |
| 22:46:08 | Toni1 | no I think in august last year there was no other chance? |
| 22:46:49 | preglow | if you mean profiling, no, but it's possible to just read the source code as well |
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| 22:47:01 | preglow | i'm wondering if some of the const arrays might be better of in iram |
| 22:47:09 | preglow | too bad there's very little iram space left :/ |
| 22:47:55 | Toni1 | preglow: right to less iram, and yes I did look, where to get bnest performance |
| 22:48:38 | preglow | about 4kb left |
| 22:48:43 | Toni1 | the quality at high bit rates could be improved easily, if the one table is extended to the original |
| 22:48:47 | preglow | btw |
| 22:48:51 | preglow | 320kbps doesn't work |
| 22:48:58 | Toni1 | really? |
| 22:49:00 | preglow | really |
| 22:49:04 | preglow | it makes a glitchy mp3 |
| 22:49:05 | Toni1 | :-) |
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| 22:49:20 | Toni1 | yea, that is because I truncated the one array |
| 22:49:36 | Toni1 | the one, which ends in ,,,,255 |
| 22:50:06 | Toni1 | the original one was bigger |
| 22:50:17 | preglow | why'd you truncate them? |
| 22:50:26 | Toni1 | memory issues |
| 22:50:38 | preglow | oh? they're not in iram any way |
| 22:51:12 | Toni1 | but the values are used as an indexes |
| 22:51:22 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 22:51:31 | Toni1 | but I don't rememeber exactly |
| 22:51:33 | preglow | well, like i said, there is about 4k iram left :-) |
| 22:52:13 | Toni1 | Ok, I might have a look at this |
| 22:52:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Preglow: Have you tried Rockbox on your Nano since the commit that was supposed to let it load the Apple firmware again? Specifically, have you tried loading the apple firmware through it? |
| 22:52:29 | preglow | and anyway |
| 22:52:36 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: ahh, no, i haven't |
| 22:52:38 | preglow | i'll do it now |
| 22:52:55 | Toni1 | oh, excellent |
| 22:53:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thanks. |
| 22:53:17 | Toni1 | thank you, and bye all |
| 22:53:19 | preglow | and yeah, the mdct can be optimised by tons |
| 22:53:22 | preglow | ok, bye |
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| 22:56:20 | preglow | linuxstb: yo, what was the line i should add to get better audio in the ipodaudio patch? |
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| 22:57:03 | Acksaw | anychance anyone has a v5 patched 1.29k? |
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| 22:58:06 | linuxstb_ | In pcm_play_data, add "p=start;" inside the if statement that calls get_more for the second time. |
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| 22:59:15 | LinusN | Acksaw: http://linus.haxx.se/H300.zip |
| 22:59:33 | Acksaw | thanks Linus |
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| 23:00:00 | Acksaw | my pc has a problem with downloading the new pathcers |
| 23:00:06 | Acksaw | keeps the old one :S |
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| 23:01:21 | iobound_ | LinusN, did you get my messages about the patched v5+1.29k didn't really do much for the bootloader USB problems? anyway it's both in the bootloader and in main rockbox, it seems it registers a drive letter about 33% of the time |
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| 23:03:16 | saa[b_r]ider | (where as I haven't had the same problems as iobound) |
| 23:04:29 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:04:36 | preglow | is the apple os supposed to be in a file now? |
| 23:05:02 | linuxstb_ | No - it's still the old way. |
| 23:05:44 | linuxstb_ | What made you think it was? |
| 23:06:12 | Acksaw | now to give the new bootloader a test |
| 23:06:15 | Acksaw | oh |
| 23:06:18 | Acksaw | lets go! |
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| 23:07:00 | preglow | no idea, just you talking about it, i guess |
| 23:07:40 | linuxstb_ | OK - I've been working on it, so thought I might have committed something by mistake. |
| 23:08:03 | preglow | there is no button to load apple os? |
| 23:08:14 | linuxstb_ | It's still the MENU button. |
| 23:08:31 | preglow | ghah, right, i can't read code |
| 23:08:38 | linuxstb_ | Nothing has really changed in the bootloader. I just tried to revert it to how it was a month ago when it was working. |
| 23:09:11 | linuxstb_ | Almost every ipod commit since then seems to have broken it - which is why it is all #ifdef'd out. |
| 23:09:17 | preglow | i can't get it to load retailos |
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| 23:09:39 | preglow | it doesn't even try |
| 23:09:42 | linuxstb_ | So it displays "loading original firmware", but doesn't? |
| 23:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, good, neither can I. |
| 23:09:46 | preglow | no |
| 23:09:50 | preglow | it always says "loading rockbox" |
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| 23:09:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine displays "Loading original firmware" then doesn't. |
| 23:10:08 | adamdullenty | what does the #ifndef mean in the sources file |
| 23:10:19 | preglow | yeah, but you've got to be an enthusiast of the most avid kind to actually press the button at the right time as well |
| 23:10:38 | linuxstb_ | It's a knack, at least on my ipod. |
| 23:10:49 | adamdullenty | i'm a bit confused as to which plugins get compiled onto my h300... on the h300 would HAVE_LCD_BITMAP and HAVE_LCD_COLOR return true? they should shouldn't they? |
| 23:10:56 | preglow | so when should i press it? |
| 23:11:02 | linuxstb_ | adamdullenty: Yes. |
| 23:11:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | For me, I just held it during the apple logo after Menu/center reset. |
| 23:11:24 | linuxstb_ | I press it just before the apple logo appears. |
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| 23:11:49 | linuxstb_ | But my ipod is probably slower at booting than the Nano. |
| 23:11:51 | adamdullenty | so why can't I see fire.c and plasma.c when browsing the plugins |
| 23:12:22 | linuxstb_ | #ifndef means "if not defined" |
| 23:12:32 | adamdullenty | okay |
| 23:12:33 | linuxstb_ | So they are not compiled for colour LCDs |
| 23:12:37 | adamdullenty | aha |
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| 23:12:58 | adamdullenty | how come oscilloscope and oscillograph don't appear |
| 23:13:55 | linuxstb_ | They are only for Archos devices (they need the hardware MP3 decoder). But I'm not sure why SOURCES doesn't say that. |
| 23:14:06 | preglow | ok, i just did a goto hack, and i've got retailos |
| 23:14:07 | adamdullenty | ah |
| 23:14:09 | linuxstb_ | The #ifdef is in oscilloscope.c itself. |
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| 23:14:19 | linuxstb_ | preglow: That's good news. |
| 23:14:21 | adamdullenty | i see |
| 23:14:24 | preglow | even remembered my settings, the smug bastard did |
| 23:15:00 | adamdullenty | would you mind reminding me how you get up the "Open with" menu on a file please? |
| 23:15:08 | linuxstb_ | One nice thing - when I was in Boston, I changed the timezone on my iBook. When I plugged in my iPod, iTunes changed the time on the iPod for me. |
| 23:15:27 | Midgey34 | adam: on h300 hold navi |
| 23:15:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: oscillo* should be possible on iriver, as well as vu_meter, using the peakmeter calculation instead of the MAS quasi-peak registers |
| 23:15:40 | linuxstb_ | But that's the only good thing I have to say about itunes. |
| 23:15:46 | adamdullenty | oh, never saw that in there before :-P sorry |
| 23:15:46 | preglow | linuxstb_: ok, i got the knack as well, now |
| 23:15:55 | preglow | linuxstb_: but hell, we've got to make a better driver than this |
| 23:16:08 | preglow | sooner or later i'll be firing up ida pro and having a look at retailos |
| 23:16:39 | linuxstb_ | I think I'll have to do the same if I want to progress on the Video - which I do. |
| 23:16:49 | preglow | now it doesn't load anymore |
| 23:17:01 | linuxstb_ | Mmm. |
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| 23:17:18 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Did I read that you've bought a h340? |
| 23:17:25 | amiconn | Yes |
| 23:17:31 | adamdullenty | good fun :) |
| 23:17:31 | amiconn | Should arrive tomorrow |
| 23:17:45 | linuxstb_ | So you'll be tackling the LCD? |
| 23:18:03 | preglow | linuxstb_: i have absolutely no idea why, but now retailos does not load anymore |
| 23:18:27 | amiconn | First I'll have to fix the crashing plugins, i.e. add a header |
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| 23:19:00 | amiconn | If we want to keep using plugin.lds for both plugins & codecs, the same header will be added to codecs |
| 23:19:34 | linuxstb_ | I can't see any harm in that. |
| 23:19:56 | amiconn | No harm, but more work (2 loaders to change) |
| 23:20:22 | preglow | linuxstb_: this is weird, if i bypass the button checks completely, i can load retailos |
| 23:20:24 | amiconn | I have to decide what to put in the header. Perhaps we should move some checks which are done in the plugin itself into the core |
| 23:20:28 | linuxstb_ | Should the loader deal with IRAM as well - e.g. shutting down playback if the plugin needs iram, and doing the appropriate copy? |
| 23:20:35 | amiconn | (api version, load address etc) |
| 23:21:25 | linuxstb_ | preglow: So it seems to be the buttons causing the problem? |
| 23:21:36 | preglow | linuxstb_: how? i don't skip the actual reading code, just the ifs |
| 23:21:47 | preglow | linuxstb_: though gcc might of course be removing it as dead code now |
| 23:21:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: I don't think so |
| 23:21:55 | linuxstb_ | But I mean you don't physically press any buttons. |
| 23:22:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: correct |
| 23:22:27 | preglow | i just booted when holding menu pressed, retailos loaded |
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| 23:22:48 | amiconn | The plugin author should be able to decide what to do with IRAM & playback, i.e. whether the plugin should stop playback, or rather display a message that it can't be run during playback and bail out |
| 23:23:24 | preglow | amiconn: having the loader deal with iram clearing would be great |
| 23:23:27 | preglow | amiconn: and very, very easy |
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| 23:24:07 | preglow | iram clearing, copying, etc |
| 23:24:46 | amiconn | Not for plugins |
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| 23:27:58 | preglow | oh? |
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| 23:30:24 | amiconn | preglow: Plugins need to stop playback *before* occupying IRAM. Doing this in the loader doesn't allow the plugin author to decide what the plugin should do when playback is running |
| 23:30:45 | adamdullenty | where does it set which file extensions are shown and which are hidden? it's hiding jpg's |
| 23:30:59 | adamdullenty | rockbox, that is |
| 23:31:26 | preglow | amiconn: in what case would the plugin want to terminate instead of halt playback? this sounds like a user settings to me, more than anything |
| 23:31:41 | preglow | it should be the users decision, not the plugin author |
| 23:33:09 | Xerion | wtf snake2 keeps locking up my h140 |
| 23:33:22 | BHSPitMonkey | then stop playing it |
| 23:33:34 | Xerion | it locks up on load |
| 23:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I agree with preglow. |
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| 23:33:49 | linuxstb_ | adamdullenty: There is a setting in the settings menus somewhere for that - you can choose between "all", "music" and "supported" (I think). |
| 23:34:15 | linuxstb_ | If you have selected "music", then jpgs won't be displayed. |
| 23:34:20 | linuxstb_ | IIUC |
| 23:35:16 | preglow | linuxstb_: you know, our current button driver isn't that bad when compared to retailos |
| 23:36:22 | linuxstb_ | I know. :) I like it, apart from the flickering I mentioned when scrolling - caused by the udelay() |
| 23:36:34 | preglow | flickering? |
| 23:37:11 | linuxstb_ | Yes, when scrolling, the inverse bar flickers - if the LCD is drawing at the same time I scroll the wheel. |
| 23:37:15 | preglow | ouch, there is a rather nasty udelay in there, yeah |
| 23:37:24 | preglow | quarter of a milisecond |
| 23:38:19 | adamdullenty | linuxstb: I remember seeing that but its evading me today |
| 23:38:51 | linuxstb_ | It's File View, but I can't remember where it is. |
| 23:38:57 | Midgey34 | adam: hold AB |
| 23:39:01 | adamdullenty | ah, got it... |
| 23:39:11 | Midgey34 | alright |
| 23:39:35 | adamdullenty | cheers anyway. I'm already on "supported"... would adding jpg into viewers.config make roxkbox class it as a supported file, perhaps? |
| 23:39:53 | linuxstb_ | It should be there anyway. Or is it not there for the H300? |
| 23:40:02 | amiconn | No, it's not |
| 23:40:07 | adamdullenty | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- |
| 23:40:10 | adamdullenty | oops |
| 23:40:11 | amiconn | ...as jpeg.rock isn't built for H300 |
| 23:40:31 | linuxstb_ | No-one's ported it to the colour LCDs yet? |
| 23:40:40 | amiconn | Nope |
| 23:40:41 | linuxstb_ | At least in greyscale. |
| 23:40:56 | adamdullenty | it's not there |
| 23:41:15 | preglow | amiconn: now there's another cool feature a proper object file format for plugins would have: linking to ordinary memory instead of iram when iram is taken :) |
| 23:41:24 | amiconn | jpeg.rock is currently bound to the grayscale lib. Shouldn't be too hard to use macros instead (and add lcd_gray_bitmap() to the plugin lib) |
| 23:41:56 | preglow | linuxstb_: is there any way to clean the back side of an ipod? |
| 23:42:02 | linuxstb_ | lol |
| 23:42:02 | preglow | whatever i do to mine, it looks grimey |
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| 23:42:13 | amiconn | I'll do that if nobody does it before me, when I receive my H340 and find the time) |
| 23:42:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: There's a polishing kit that includes scratch removers for the front and polish for the back, so I imagine it can be done with ordinary non-expensive polishes too. |
| 23:42:34 | adamdullenty | hang on, is this jpeg viewer going to be greyscale? and also, just thought, how on earth can I get this jpeg plugin to be a viewer? |
| 23:42:51 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I've given up trying to keep my ipod looking good. I just give it a polish on my t-shirt occasionally. |
| 23:42:54 | preglow | adamdullenty: no it's not going to be gray scale |
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| 23:43:01 | adamdullenty | ah k |
| 23:43:07 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah, which is what i'll be limiting myself to as well |
| 23:43:13 | amiconn | It will be greyscale first, because the current jpeg decoder is luma only |
| 23:43:38 | preglow | hacking colour support onto that again is only a matter of adding some tables and some crude resampling possibilities |
| 23:43:42 | preglow | the decode itself is just the same |
| 23:43:43 | amiconn | Of course colour will be added, but I don't know much about jpeg |
| 23:43:49 | linuxstb_ | adamdullenty: Are you trying a patch that makes the jpeg viewer work on the h300? |
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| 23:44:00 | preglow | amiconn: i've got a fair grasp on jpeg internals, i might do that some day |
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| 23:44:35 | adamdullenty | i'm patching it with jpeg.c,v 1.21 2005/09/30 20:10:23 amiconn |
| 23:44:57 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:45:06 | adamdullenty | just a random version number i found in the file |
| 23:45:21 | linuxstb_ | Where did you get the patch from? |
| 23:45:25 | adamdullenty | hoped you'd recognise it |
| 23:45:26 | adamdullenty | umm |
| 23:45:28 | adamdullenty | let me check |
| 23:45:44 | adamdullenty | I lost the url |
| 23:45:54 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah still, the extern iram array declarations can be moved to plugin.h, yes? |
| 23:46:03 | adamdullenty | it was on the patch/plugin page |
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| 23:46:20 | preglow | amiconn: and the memcpy/memset can be put in a macro, so we don't need to duplicate so much code, which also needs updating when we change the iram system around |
| 23:46:46 | adamdullenty | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1358312 |
| 23:46:50 | amiconn | plugin.h is included both from the core and from plugins |
| 23:46:51 | Janco | I can compile (under windows xp, cygwin) for H320/340 and Ipod but not for Archos targets. Get error messages like "gcc ....uclpack.c" and then "In file included.../i686-pc-cywin/... etc . Can any one give a clue? |
| 23:46:51 | adamdullenty | that one |
| 23:47:18 | amiconn | I doubt it's a good idea to declare the external iram symbols there |
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| 23:47:35 | preglow | amiconn: why not? |
| 23:47:46 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact it should be possible when surrounded with |
| 23:48:00 | amiconn | #if defined(USE_IRAM) && defined(PLUGIN) |
| 23:48:07 | preglow | yep |
| 23:48:08 | preglow | of course |
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| 23:48:14 | linuxstb_ | adamdullenty: The jpeg viewer doesn't work on the h300 - and that patch doesn't fix that problem. |
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| 23:48:19 | BHSPitMonkey | preglow: why not take a look-see at the ipodloader2 source, when you're not doing anything :D |
| 23:48:28 | preglow | BHSPitMonkey: the latter part being the problem |
| 23:48:33 | adamdullenty | ah. |
| 23:48:36 | preglow | i need to sleep now, and then it's work tomrrow |
| 23:48:43 | adamdullenty | that explains it then :) |
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| 23:48:50 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 23:48:57 | BHSPitMonkey | nighty night then |
| 23:49:09 | adamdullenty | night |
| 23:49:09 | preglow | besides, i've talked with loader2 coder, and he says that code isn't bulletproof either |
| 23:49:15 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb: your turn :D |
| 23:49:41 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah, well slowcoder's not on the chat rooms that much |
| 23:49:58 | BHSPitMonkey | so it's up to the rest of the community to pick up his slack for him! |
| 23:50:16 | preglow | oh? i see him all the time |
| 23:50:20 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 23:50:36 | BHSPitMonkey | let me rephrase: he isn't on when I'm on :) |
| 23:50:54 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, moving all that duplicated code to one central place would be neat, both so we don't have so much to update when we change it, and so we can let plugin code consist of as little "unrelated" code as possible |
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| 23:51:11 | preglow | but ok, i've gotta call it a night |
| 23:51:13 | preglow | later all |
| 23:51:14 | BHSPitMonkey | i got into IRC from school a day or two ago and he was chatting about loader2, so i guess he's on while i'm there |
| 23:51:17 | BHSPitMonkey | nite |
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