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#rockbox log for 2006-01-27

00:00:29owangdo we have specs for coldfire up anywhere?
00:00:51preglowsure, in the wiki
00:00:52preglowdatasheets page
00:01:24owangwhat % of rockbox users do you guys suppose is iriver :P
00:01:57Bagderthat's quite impossible to even guesstimate
00:02:25owangbinary downloads can be tracked?
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00:02:51Bagdersure, but that's not a reliable number
00:03:05Bagderand we've supported Archos for 4 years soon
00:03:51BagderI think we can be sure that the amount of iriver users are rising and the amount of Archos users are declining
00:03:58Midgey34link on the build table isn't working
00:04:05 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:04:05Midgey34403 Forbidden
00:04:26linuxstbThere are also new players Rockbox is being ported to (iPod, iAudio) - these will all use the same software decoding that the iriver does.
00:04:52BagderMidgey34: oops, me broken it...
00:04:55owangoh cool
00:05:07owangyea i suppose an ipod port would be a windfall. heh
00:05:08linuxstbBagder: How many points for a broken build table?
00:05:23preglowhe's fixing the contest!
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00:11:41amiconnAh, s/o already mentioned the 403...
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00:12:33lostlogichmm, breaking all the simulators is worth 360 points. will keep this in mind. :)
00:12:54Bagdererrors * 10 + warnings actually
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00:13:37LedFloydHey guys, I have an H320, I'm just wondering if the definition of "shuffle" under the Crossfade menu has changed
00:14:22LedFloydIn the "Enable Crossfade" section.
00:15:09XavierGrHow would you calculate a real % battery estimation? Based on total time or maximum voltage?
00:15:11amiconnBagder: I remember days where we had 300+ warnings *per build*. Would give a 'nice' score...
00:15:30Bagderand with more targets, you get better chance for highscore!
00:16:08amiconnYou could re-add the gmini builds to make it harder ;)
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00:17:28lostlogicXavierGr: LiIon/LiPoly is hard to estimate, because different batteries and different ages of the same battery will show a different voltage profile.
00:17:31formattinghddhi there
00:18:14formattinghddanybody knows how long it should take to format my 20gb drive in the ihp 120?
00:18:29XavierGrLostlogic: So if you have the runtime, would you choose runtime to represent % level?
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00:18:46LedFloydformatting: that really depends on how fragmented it is :P
00:18:54Domonokynow brickmania on h1x0 is playable.. added some sleep, so it doesnt run as fast as it can.. (atleast on h1x0 its too fast :-)
00:18:55LedFloydread that wrong
00:19:30ashridahformattinghdd: almost no time at all, if you use iriver's firmware interface, i generally find.
00:19:56ashridahall it does is rewrite the partition table and build new FAT's
00:20:49Domonokyfor h1x0:
00:21:06formattinghddwell. i dropped it long time ago, hdd partly worked. a friend of mine told me formating could "recover" my hdd (i know it doesn´t realy recover it). i´m formating it with standard windows tool
00:21:07Domonokyif anyone likes to try :-)
00:21:19preglowsomeone should add proper framerate handling
00:21:37Domonokyi tried. but it isnt elegant. :-)
00:21:45lostlogicXavierGr: not sure I follow
00:22:35formattinghddoh god. the bar is finally moving on. thank you guys anyways, i´m just gettin realy nervous when something seems to go wrong
00:22:41ashridahformattinghdd: formatting it is probably going to make things worse, not better.
00:23:04ashridahif the surface has been damaged, the damage can only get worse.
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00:23:27ashridahthat said, in the best case, hopefully it'll have just marked the affected sectors as 'bad' so at least it won't try to reuse them
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00:30:28Rob2222aaaah Linus, thank you :)
00:30:40Rob2222uh he isnt hear anymore
00:30:53preglowjust like me!
00:33:23Rob2222H300 USB mode :)
00:33:32Rob2222usb charge mode
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00:50:59Rob2222LinusN: Thx for USB charging mode :)
00:51:10LinusNyou're welcome
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01:08:23Rob2222LinusN: Did I see right, USB charging is made with 3 simple defines?
01:09:22Rob2222ahh i understand
01:09:36Rob2222it just was enabled for H300
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01:14:28amiconnXavierGr: Are you still editing ?
01:17:42Rob2222LinusN: The charging indicator (blinking battery) doesnt blink in USB charge mode, even that the charging indicator pin indicates charging. is this normal?
01:18:19lostlogichmmm, that's odd
01:18:20Rob2222But theres a cute plug next to it :)
01:18:34Rob2222lostlogic: theres a plug now
01:18:44LinusNthe usb charging fix just disables the usb mode
01:18:57LinusNthe charging code still needs fixing
01:19:03lostlogicI'll take a look
01:19:25*LinusN just fried his bdm-enabled h320 :-(
01:20:20LinusNtime to go ebaying again...
01:20:27Rob2222But with the USB charging patch the HD runs and it now consumes full 500mA from USB. with the debug trick it only consumed max 300mA (i think cause the non turning HD)
01:20:43Rob2222really bricked?
01:20:46Rob2222how that?
01:20:48amiconnLinusN: What happened?
01:21:04lostlogicRob2222: yeah, that would make sense, the player probably thought it was in USB mode so wouldn't try to do anything with the disk
01:21:19LinusNconnected a power supply instead of the battery, and the h320 didn't like it
01:21:42Rob2222with correct battery voltage?
01:21:45LinusNfor some reason
01:22:01Rob2222i wanted to make the same!!!
01:22:18LinusNshould work, i must have done something wrong
01:22:18Rob2222i only didnt have purchased a power supply yet
01:23:06Rob2222I got the player playing full volume backlight and spinning HD not over 530mA... should be ok, or?
01:23:42Rob2222:( @ linus
01:23:51Rob2222your first bricked player?
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01:25:21lostlogicRob2222: GPIO bit 23 is 1 when USB is in, but it doesn't show charging in the icon?
01:25:22LinusNRob2222: yes
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01:26:22Rob2222LinusN: And now the unit is fully dead? no battery power? no ac power?
01:26:33Rob2222lostlogic: normal i have a blinking battery
01:26:52Rob2222atm i have the battery %
01:26:55lostlogicLinusN: my impression (based on me and you breaking them) is that the iRiver power circuitry is less than robust
01:26:57LinusNRob2222: dead as a herring
01:26:58Rob2222AND! a plug next to it
01:27:17Rob2222and GPIO is DB9
01:27:45BHSPitMonkeydumb question, but is anyone working on the Phillips players
01:27:49Rob2222DB9 was charging and DB1 no charge
01:28:11Rob2222thats bad the linus H320.
01:28:21Rob2222-the +with
01:28:33Rob2222linus: your only H300?
01:29:24LinusNno, but it's my only h300 that I can use for hardware experiments
01:29:43Rob2222how have you connected the BDM? soldered?
01:30:27LinusNyes, i have soldered a bdm connector to it
01:30:30Rob2222When the player is charging+playing+disk spinning and doesnt consum more than 530mA souldnt it be possible to power the player over usb in usb mode?
01:30:39Rob2222ah ok.
01:31:12lostlogicRob2222: should be...
01:31:15LinusNRob2222: where are you measuring this?
01:31:26Rob2222USB line
01:31:39Rob2222i took 5v from PC
01:31:44LinusNthen you are only measuring the charging current
01:31:53Rob2222and then a USB bracket (only power connected)
01:31:57LinusNi bet it draws more than 500mA from the battery
01:31:59linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: No - see for current and future Rockbox targets.
01:32:16LinusNwhen the disk spins up
01:32:33Rob2222LinusN: It consumes still 310mA ... when disk is spinning it goes up
01:32:45Rob2222to ca. 500ma
01:32:54Rob2222I set the MM to save MAX
01:33:03BHSPitMonkeylinuxstb: internet just now started working
01:33:05Rob2222and max was 532mA
01:33:07LinusNbecause the charger doesn't draw more
01:33:17lostlogicRob2222: 532ma from USB probably some additional from the battery just during disk spinnup
01:33:18BHSPitMonkey(web ports, at least)
01:33:29Rob2222is it possible?
01:33:35lostlogicRob2222: sure
01:33:57LinusNcool, why?
01:34:20Rob2222so it would be interesting to know if the player uses the max 500mA from USB and the battery "only" as "backup" in USB mode.
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01:34:46LinusNthe player takes all power from the battery
01:35:12Rob2222but then, why the USB consumption rises when the disc is spinning?
01:35:21Rob2222ah, you mean USB mode
01:36:15Rob2222I only can say that I have almost constant 310mA drained from USB and rising to 510mA when disc is spinning
01:36:49Rob2222sorry 530mA i mean
01:37:09Rob2222after disc spinning its immidiately at 310mA
01:37:28Rob2222but thats cool.
01:37:33lostlogicLinusN: the player doesn't take all power from the battery as far as I can tell
01:37:40Rob2222the player uses all power he can get from usb
01:37:53LinusNlostlogic: really?
01:37:54lostlogicLinusN: at least not when the AC adapter is connected
01:38:36Rob2222is it possible to charge a battery over 2 wires and take the power from the battery the same time?
01:38:45Rob2222no or?
01:38:46lostlogicLinusN: It takes all power from the VDD side of the LX2201, but that side is powered by both battery and charger
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01:39:41LinusNso if the charger limits the current, it's possible to drain the battery by drawing more than 530mA, right?
01:40:00Rob2222so i would think/understand it
01:40:02lostlogicah, yes
01:40:35lostlogicbut if it has plenty of charge current (ie AC adapter) then the battery is basically in OC by a diode
01:42:24Rob2222i plugged in my USB Power measurement cable without a button and come into usb mode. (usb data lines are not connected). disc is now spinning and he draws 310mA from USB.
01:42:52amiconnLinusN: Do you plan to hook the rockbox bootloader to the third entry point as well (connecting the charger)?
01:43:03amiconnThis would allow car adapter mode...
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01:43:35Rob2222now i plugged in the USB power measure cable while in debug mode. now he draws the same 310mA but the disc ISNT spinning.
01:44:18LinusNRob2222: try checking the difference if you boost the cpu or not
01:45:19Rob2222LinusN: in which mode? USB/DEBUG/USBCHARGING?
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01:48:15Rob2222boosting doesnt change consumption
01:49:25Rob2222but the LX2201 must be in USB HIGH CURRENT mode.
01:49:39Rob2222it cant draw 310mA when in LOW power usb mode.
01:50:00Rob2222but why it draws more when the disc is spinning but not when the CPU boosts
01:50:15LinusNmaybe we'll be able to find out which port pin is the charger control
01:50:46Rob2222uh, my max is now 545mA ....
01:50:57Rob2222is that still a range that could be tolerated?
01:51:44LinusN500 is max according to usb standard
01:51:52Rob2222yeah, i know..
01:53:31LinusNgotta get some sleep
01:53:36LinusNnite all
01:53:40Rob2222good night
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01:53:43Rob2222uh 2am
01:54:12Rob2222lostlogic: Thats strange, that the USB consumption doesnt rise on boost.
01:55:10XavierGramiconn: I finished editing for today. There is a missing excel file I want to provide as a standart for measuremetns, but I will try to add that tomorow are you going to modify it?
01:55:27amiconnI've already done my modification
01:55:37amiconn(buttons for Ondio were wrong)
01:55:47XavierGrah okay thanks.
01:55:50amiconnThe topic was locked for a while
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02:00:11XavierGramiconn: BTW does the plugin works for ondio?
02:04:24lostlogicRob2222: when your battery voltage is rising, with USB charge, is GPIO bit 23 high or low?
02:05:05Rob2222GPIO_READ is DB9.....
02:05:12Rob2222let me calculate
02:05:25Rob2222should be 1
02:06:16Rob2222its high
02:07:15Rob2222youre searching why it doesnt blink, heh?
02:07:17lostlogichmm... mine won't charge from USB for some reason
02:07:32lostlogicnaw, that's easy... if mine were actually charging
02:07:36Rob2222whats your GPIO?
02:07:52lostlogic5B1 actually
02:08:06lostlogic*checks his iRiver firmware settings*
02:08:19Rob2222why some units have 5 and other have D...
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02:08:31Rob2222i habe USB charging enabled in iriver FW
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02:11:24Rob2222lostlogic: Your battery isnt full?
02:11:31lostlogicnope, 3.86v
02:11:42Rob2222and, whyt says iriver?
02:11:43lostlogicconnecting AC goes to 5B9
02:11:52Rob2222ah AC
02:12:05lostlogiciRiver firmware usb charging enabled
02:12:11lostlogicand desktop mode
02:12:16Rob2222same here
02:13:09Rob2222have you tried to enter usb when in VIEW IO screen?
02:13:10lostlogicand if I hold rec and plug in USB, ti goes to iRiver USB charge mode
02:13:33Rob2222have you the newest build?
02:13:40Rob2222linus set up usb charge 3h ago
02:14:05lostlogicof course
02:14:08lostlogicbut now it did
02:14:09Rob2222holding rec and insert usb works for me. stays in rockbox, full usable
02:14:13lostlogicafter I let it go to USB charge mode on iRiver
02:14:19lostlogicmeaning that it's enable and disableable
02:15:06Rob2222i bet thats the hi/low pin!
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02:15:22Rob2222100mA arent enought to charge
02:15:27Rob2222when RB is On
02:15:43Rob2222as you didnt had a charging indicator
02:15:50Rob2222it bet it draws 100mA
02:15:51lostlogicGPIO1 read bit # 12
02:16:19lostlogicshould have checked GPIO1 out bits too
02:16:49Rob2222whats with GPIO1 bit 12?
02:17:14lostlogicbefore when I connected USB disk mode, it would flicker 01010101, now with USB charge working, it is solid 7
02:17:25lostlogicnot sure what it's telling us, and not sure how to control it yet
02:17:53Rob2222i try to shut off iriver usb charge
02:18:07lostlogicwrite down all GPIO read and out registers
02:18:10lostlogicthen change
02:18:11lostlogicthen compare
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02:18:51Rob2222i set to hub
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02:20:27Rob2222now it doesnt charge
02:20:28lostlogicanywho, I can't spend any more time on this tonight, it will detect charging by USB ok now, but I gotta do some other work.
02:20:34lostlogicwhat changed in the GPIOs?
02:21:16amiconnXavierGr: Now testing battery_bench on Ondio...
02:21:30Rob2222GPIO1 bit 8 changes when connecting usb
02:21:41Rob2222bit 7 i mean
02:21:42amiconnFirst remark: The lower 3 lines of the info text are too wide, they are cut at both borders
02:21:48Rob2222we start at 0
02:22:32Rob2222hmm i was wrong with m thesis
02:22:52Rob2222he only consumes 40mA over USB now
02:24:17Rob2222lostlogic: where can this setting be stored? pcf?
02:24:18lostlogicRob2222: and that bit didn't change before?
02:24:29Rob2222i did
02:24:37Rob2222i changed before, too
02:25:04lostlogicit's possible that the iRiver uses some setting in the pcf50606 to help control the LX2201
02:25:20lostlogicbut like I said, I gotta do other stuff for the rest of tonight.
02:25:21Rob2222I think, too,
02:25:31XavierGramiconn: You mean the info rendered when someoen selects the plugin?
02:32:09Rob2222lostlogic: My H300 is fizzing while charging. hmm
02:33:04Rob2222When I plug out USB or connect AC it stops... ^^
02:35:21lostlogicas in bad noise in headphones?
02:35:39lostlogicthe ground on your USB connection is probably screwy or some such
02:35:57Rob2222it sounds like you open a gas bottle
02:36:36Rob2222but its almost unhearable
02:37:18lostlogicthat doesn't sound healthy.
02:37:29Rob2222btw, iriver is usb-charging with 307mA
02:37:52Rob2222and no fizzing with iriver usb charging
02:38:04Rob2222will try Rb agein
02:38:11lostlogicmine does not fizz in RB USB charge.
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02:38:44Rob2222well, maybe its time to sell my player at ebay :)
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02:39:54Rob2222just started fizzin again
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02:40:14BHSPitLappydoes brickmania work on the ipod nano?
02:41:27Rob2222Rb fizz, IR no fizz
02:41:35Rob2222BHSPitLappy: I dont know
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02:58:11webguest42hello. can anyone estimate release dates please?
02:58:48Rob2222for what?
02:58:57BHSPitMonkeyRob2222: shhh
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03:01:04lostlogicwebguest42: :-P
03:01:54webguest42got dammit. how do I change my nickname?
03:02:01lostlogicwebguest42: /nick newname
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03:02:07Rob2222The release for the iRiver H690 is mid 2010. :)
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03:02:41lamedgosh. thanks.
03:02:41Rob2222I would like to have charger/chargring events logged in batterybench.
03:03:07lamedI'm sure i'll forget that.
03:03:09lostlogicRob2222: so add them :)
03:03:17lamedamiconn: around?
03:03:50lamedanyone here is using an ondio?
03:05:46lamedamiconn & tomas were misleading me it was a good idea I'll bind the screen scroll patch with repeated left/right clicks. :( but the ondio is already using right long click as a context menu call :(((( soo stupid
03:06:24XavierGramiconn was just testing battery_bench on his ondio, but I don't know where he is now...
03:08:21Rob2222Bger_ are you there?
03:08:37lamedlostlogic: why's that added |else| at gwps.c ?
03:10:22lostlogiclamed: no good reason actually, I just did that because I had considered trying to pull out some code into functions, but that didn't end up being feasible
03:12:01lamedand, if you don't mind i'm asking, why doing both checks? |#if defined(AB_REPEAT_ENABLE) && defined(WPS_AB_SHARE_DIR_BUTTONS)|
03:12:48lamed(define share_dir_buttons is under ab_repeat_enable
03:12:52lamedwhy not doing only the latter?
03:12:59lostlogicyou've asked before, just for consistency with other parts of the file, yes WPS_AB_SHARE_DIR_BUTTONS will only be defined if AB_REPEAT_ENABLE is, but it's more clear this way I think.
03:13:13Rob2222lostlogic: is it possible to make the "battery % digts" in status bar blink when charging instead of showing the battery animation? (only if numerical batter indicator is set)
03:13:44lostlogicRob2222: sure it's possible but *shrug*
03:13:55Rob2222only a idea.
03:13:59Rob2222ok, i must sleep
03:14:09Rob2222good night all
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03:14:29lamedgood night
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03:16:31XavierGrjungti: in 3 hours
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03:19:10XavierGrgood night, I have to sleep!
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03:22:17lamedgood night
03:22:28BloodySorcereri just watched me quit
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03:30:46Kyl3so does anyone know what that mystery column is on the daily builds page?
03:32:12Kyl3on the far right, its not even colored.
03:33:06lamedgood night
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03:35:59lostlogicKyl3: it's a "score" for how badly that build is broken... kinda a joke for us committers
03:39:05Kyl3ahh so the higher the number the more proke it is?
03:39:14lostlogicyep :)
03:40:36Kyl3so how did one of them score 369?
03:40:52jungti1234high score: lostlogic
03:40:54lostlogicbecause I broke it good :)
03:41:04lostlogicI broke all of the simulators in one hit :)
03:41:34Kyl3and that adds up to 369? nice
03:42:06lostlogicwell 360 −− the 9 warnings on X5 aren't mind :)
03:42:14JdGordonhaha who made the bob the builder wps??
03:42:19Kyl3whats the formula?
03:42:20jungti1234369 + 93 = 462 Hahaha
03:43:14lostlogicKyl3: 10*errors + warnings
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03:51:09jungti1234Is H300 charge available in rockbox now?
03:51:59jungti1234It doesn't work to me.
03:53:25Kyl3well it charges
03:53:27lostlogicjungti1234: what's wrong with it?
03:53:39lostlogicit works correctly for me both USB and power
03:53:41Kyl3but if you plug it in while its off it'll boot iriver firmware
03:53:42lostlogicer and AC
03:53:46jungti1234Connected USB.
03:54:00jungti1234And I waited that is charged.
03:54:05lostlogicjungti1234: are you on the latest bleeding edge?
03:54:15lostlogicand you held record while plugging USB?
03:54:51jungti1234If hold record, it's booted to original firmware.
03:55:10jungti1234Is it normal?
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03:55:39lostlogicjungti1234: have to plug USB while it is in rockbox
03:55:58lostlogicjungti1234: yes, it is supposed to go to iRiver firmware if it goes on for any reason and record is held
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03:56:37jungti1234in rockbox?
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03:56:56jungti1234Then, become PC and USB connection.
03:57:12lostlogicjungti1234: in rockbox, hold record, plug USB
03:57:16lostlogicit will charge from USB
03:58:24jungti1234hehe thanks
03:59:19jungti1234and sorry, I don't read well English.
03:59:27lostlogicit's all good :)
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04:16:29Midgey34anyone have some suggestions on key mappings for blackjack?
04:17:20jungti1234what is blackjack? :)
04:17:20Midgey34on the h300, I have PLAY = hit, REC = stay, NAVI = doubledown, AB = save/resume, STOP = quit
04:17:28Midgey34a cardgame
04:17:36Midgey34you try to get 21
04:18:31jungti1234ah I know
04:18:54jungti1234It's gambling.
04:20:22jungti1234what is battery bench?
04:20:31jungti1234playtime check?
04:21:49Midgey34basically. its a plugin that write the play time to disk when it spins up giving a decent estimate of playtime
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07:19:38Membrillodoes anyone know why the White setting on the H300 colour changer isnt 0,0,0 RGB?
07:20:09Membrilloi think it has a slight blue tinge to it, because if i have a white image (0,0,0) it isnt the same colour as the background
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08:43:36preglowLinusN: shame about the h300
08:43:48preglowreally weird, though
08:43:54LinusNand i just can't understand what i did wrong...
08:44:03preglownever had anything die just by replacing a battery with a power supply
08:44:09LinusNme neither
08:44:10preglowsomething i've done jillions of times
08:44:29preglowthere's no reason it should go wrong either, so there you go, heh
08:44:59Bger_LinusN ? what has happened ?
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08:45:23LinusNi connected a power supply instead of a battery to my h320
08:46:12Slasheriweird.. what kind of supply that was?
08:46:47Bgerand it died ? :(
08:48:04LinusNSlasheri: mansion ep613
08:48:49preglowSlasheri: read the logs? lostlogic's going to do some surgery on the pcmbuf/playback system
08:49:22Slasheripreglow: not yet
08:49:45preglownot much to be read, he just asked you if you had any work on progress, etc, going on there
08:50:42Slasherinot much, i have been too busy at work..
08:53:02Slasherilostlogic: i don't mind, just try if you have got some good ideas :)
08:54:21LinusNmorning amiconn
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08:56:41BHSPitLappymorning all...
08:57:40LinusNBHSPitLappy: go back to sleep ;-)
08:58:04BHSPitLappywhere is this "sleep", it's not on any map local to my location
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09:04:07preglowdon't need to try that hard to make me sleep
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09:05:22BHSPitLappydid the gif viewer ever make cvs?
09:06:06B4gderthere's a gif viewer?
09:06:22BHSPitLappyapparently, in linux s t b's backyard...
09:06:41BHSPitLappyI watched an animated gif on my nano with it :D
09:06:54B4gderbackyards scare me ;-)
09:08:05Bgerthere aren't license issues with GIF files nowadays, yep ?
09:08:26preglowstill no excuse to use them
09:08:28preglowthey're crap
09:08:30preglowsmelly crap
09:08:40B4gder8bit limited crap
09:08:40Bgerbut they exist ...
09:09:18preglowyes, i didn't say you can't view them
09:09:24preglowjust don't create them
09:09:31preglowthat makes jesus and all kinds of other prophets cry
09:10:18BgerThe latest expiration date of the GIF-related patents will most probably be Friday, 11 August 2006 (source:
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09:12:47dwihnoIf only transparencies were handled correctly in IE... :(
09:12:53dwihnoThen we could burn them.
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09:13:09dwihnoI want my alpha channel! nOW!
09:13:31dwihnommm, rgba.
09:13:49B4gderjust dump IE
09:14:06dwihnoI already did. Too bad there still is many who won't do the same.
09:14:16B4gderlet them suffer
09:14:44dwihnoIf I told my supervisors that, they would nag the hell out of me :)
09:14:51B4gdergo go go
09:14:59B4gderdon't be a chicken ;-)
09:15:14dwihnoBtw, firefox does not handle the transparency correctly when printing
09:15:16preglowthat's my stance on the whole thing
09:15:22preglowyou use, tough luck
09:15:34preglowbut then again, i don't exactly do web work at work
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09:18:04BgerB4gder did you see the last link i pasted?
09:19:31Bgerjust open it and see the first image
09:24:15amiconnBger: Interesting, though it seems there are problems.
09:24:30amiconnThis thing displays sloo-oow both in Firefox and IE
09:24:47amiconnThe windows image viewer can't display it at all
09:25:36Bgerhehe, yes, but at least it shows that a gif can have more than 256 colors
09:27:06amiconnPhotoshop Elements can't load it either, but ms paint can (!)
09:28:44LinusNamiconn: i was thinking about the draw modes, and how they could apply to color bitmaps
09:29:25LinusNand i'm not sure how it should be
09:29:55amiconnThey can't
09:29:55LinusNi believe having a transparent color is a good thing
09:30:22amiconnWould be ok-ish on a 16bit+ display, but not on 2bit
09:30:45LinusNwhat do you suggest then?
09:30:52amiconnImho we should have a function that takes both a native bitmap and a mono bitmap as a mask
09:31:06LinusNwoudln't that be kind of slow?
09:32:02amiconnNo, it would actually be faster
09:32:20amiconnWith a special colour, each pixel would need to be checked for that colour
09:32:34amiconnA mask bitmap is 1bit, which is certainly less data
09:32:41LinusNyes, when the pixel is already loaded in a cpu register
09:33:12LinusNthe mask bitmap would need lots of shifting and stuff
09:33:14amiconnBasically, drawing a masked native bitmap is the same as drawing a mono bitmap and using the native bitmap as the foreground 'colour'
09:33:15B4gderand if the bitmap is created on demand, the mask would also need to be created on demand
09:33:59LinusNdrawing a 16-bit color bitmap: load pixel, compare with #xxxxx, store/ignore
09:34:12LinusNhow can a mask bitmap be faster than that?
09:34:26LinusN#xxxxx would even be in a register
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09:35:14amiconnSingle stores are slow. My optimised routines will use burst access
09:35:19LinusNmaybe it's good for 2-bit images but certainly not for 16-bit
09:35:50LinusNok, i'll give you the benefit of a doubt
09:36:48jungti1234who is Pittman Derek?
09:36:53LinusNanother unfortunate effect of the mask bitmap would be that the wps images would take even more space
09:37:09LinusNjungti1234: should we know that?
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09:37:24jungti1234hmm.. I don't know.
09:37:27modaguys, i need some help with the wps's
09:38:08modaive got a background image, and im trying to get the progress bar in the transparent area i made in it, but its either too high, and then i set it down one line, and its too low. help!
09:38:16LinusNamiconn: have you started working on the optimized color lcd code?
09:38:53LinusNmoda: the progress bar is placed on text rows positions
09:38:55Bgermoda change the font
09:39:12Bgerfor now you can't say pixel positions
09:39:18modaok, will see
09:39:23modaand also, ive got this problem:
09:40:28B4gderanyone not a regged user at MR will get a shock when they follow links to that site
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09:40:46B4gderthat awful color/theme thing
09:40:47LinusNthe default theme at mr is awful
09:40:50BgerB4gder u're registered, don't complain!
09:41:00B4gderI'm just telling
09:41:04modaoh, so, any help?
09:41:20LinusNmoda: i assume you are using the optimized build with pink transparency?
09:41:52LinusNand the bg is pink in all your play status icons?
09:42:02modaerm, no
09:43:51modaiirc, the person who made the rockamp skin has fixed it, i think
09:43:52LinusNmoda: i don't know how your design looks like, but i can imagine you want your icons transparent too
09:44:23modaits just a background, and when its played, the play button is ontop of the background.... if that makes any sense
09:45:23jungti1234I'm making WPS too.
09:45:45preglowthese mask bitmaps, would they be generated from a bitmap with pink == transparent, or would they need to be drawn too?
09:46:00modathey need to be drawn
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09:47:42preglowforget it
09:47:45LinusNpreglow: was that for amiconn or moda?
09:47:52preglowfor amiconn :>
09:49:39preglowif the mask bitmap approach requires separate mask bitmaps to be drawn, i'd say forget it
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09:49:43preglowtoo cumbersome
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09:50:22B4gderI agree that the draw functions would need to make the mask
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09:50:39B4gderwhich then somehow defeats its purpose I guess
09:51:00preglowit could be an init time thing
09:51:11preglowor a bmp2rb thing
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09:55:38JdGordonjungti1234: hey, i figured out how to make it so you can have things between the hours.. but it will make it more complicated... is it really needed?
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09:56:13jungti1234If you want, do so.
09:57:53JdGordondamn.. that looks awesome... who made it :D
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10:02:54BgerJdGordon you could just fix the count of "events" in a day to 20 (for example)
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10:03:07Bgerand to input the time too
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10:04:31JdGordonBger: ye, thats the easy way.. but it will suk if its done like that....
10:04:38MembrilloNow we can change the width of progress bars, do you think its possible to align it differently than center?
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10:04:44Membrilloon H300
10:04:56BgerJdGordon why would suck ?
10:05:17Bgerit depends on how u would make the time input
10:05:26jungti1234Membrillo: you want it?
10:06:04JdGordoncoz it would show every timeslot, even if its blank.... ill do something like that.. but different
10:06:14*Bger proves his bad english again :)
10:06:24JdGordonna, i got ya
10:06:41jungti1234He is better than me.
10:06:44BgerJdGordon heh, of course u'll show only the entered things
10:07:38BgerRob2222 the idea for the charger inserted is a good one ... i'll try to implement it asap
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10:13:20Membrilloim learning C still. Im very very very basic. no where near ready to actually start coding. Do you think someone would be able to work out how to align the progress bar on H300 WPS? It would be very useful for some WPSs im making
10:13:45B4gderof course someone can do that
10:13:58JdGordonMembrillo: depends how its draw.. it could be damn simple, or a huge PITA to do
10:14:00modahow do i make a bmp mask?
10:14:11Membrillook fair enough
10:14:28Membrillowell, if its really simple, would someone mind giving it a stab when they have the time?
10:14:30LinusNmoda: you don't need to
10:14:47LinusNthe masking we're discussing isn't implemented yet
10:14:59modaso, how do i get rid of the problem that im having, right now?
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10:15:10LinusNuse pink as background in your images
10:16:20MembrilloLinusN: have you found a H300 to buy yet?
10:16:54LinusNsort of, i'm still bidding
10:17:02Membrillowhats it at now?
10:17:25Membrillothe price that is
10:17:44LinusNone option is 65+shipping for Lanesras broken one
10:18:32Membrilloyou broke your h300 so your going to replace it with another broken one? kind of defeats the purpose doesnt it?
10:19:13SlasheriHmm, i would also like to get some broken units but i haven't found any so far..
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10:21:07MembrilloSlasheri: broken in what way?
10:21:09modaok, so in photoshop, how do i make a transperant layer for all the bmps?
10:21:54SlasheriMembrillo: that doesn't matter so much
10:21:56Membrilloany area you want to be transparent, make it Red = 255, Blue = 0, Green = 255
10:22:26Slasheribut now i go to eat
10:23:02modayea, but i want everything showing, and people say make the bg transparent?!?!?!
10:23:18Membrillowhat do you mean everything showing
10:23:39modaeverything in the image i want to be drawn
10:23:52Membrilloat the moment text is always going to be behind an image unless you make a transparent so you can see the text through
10:24:07Membrilloa transparent area*
10:24:16modaits not text, its just when i play something, then fastforward the play area is transparent instead of the background
10:24:52Membrillowhat do you mean by the play area?
10:25:41LinusNmoda: you make the bg transparent by drawing it in pink
10:26:49LinusNmoda: it would be a lot easier if you took a screenshot of it se we can see what you mean
10:27:27MembrilloFuschia :|
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10:28:37Membrillook my IRC arent up to you :P
10:28:41MembrilloIRC skillz*
10:28:59BHSPitLappytake a year of theater tech, short-stack!
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10:40:13linuxstbMorning all. Any H300 Brickmania players around will to test something for me?
10:40:32linuxstbI've made some changes, and want to make sure it still plays at the same speed on a h300.
10:40:52Membrillono probs
10:40:56linuxstbWould you like a patch or the .rock file?
10:41:03Membrillo.rock please
10:41:09linuxstbComing right up...
10:42:27Membrillowhat am i testing?
10:42:56linuxstbDoes it feel exactly the same as before?
10:43:10linuxstbPossibly the speed has changed.
10:44:06Membrillofeels pretty normal
10:44:11Membrillonothing seems to have changed
10:44:15Membrillostill plays smoothly
10:45:38linuxstbOK, thanks. It should hopefully play at the same speed on all (future) targets now as well.
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10:46:55Membrilloone thing. I don't know if its just randomized what powerup you get, but if its possible to adjust likeliness of getting certain powerups I think you should make it harder to get extra lives. I got to the stage once where i had 39 lives or something crazy
10:47:25jungti1234It seem like no change.
10:48:02linuxstbMembrillo: I don't want to change the game itself (I'll leave that to Paprica), I'm just making it more portable across the different Rockbox targets.
10:48:32Membrilloyeah of course. thats cool
10:48:41BHSPitLappylinuxstb: ... :D
10:48:47jungti1234Our baby sleep well
10:48:57Membrilloso is a monochrome version in the making?
10:49:01linuxstbBHSPitLappy: I assume you are looking for Brickmania on your Nano?
10:49:14linuxstbMembrillo: Someone is working on a h1x0 version.
10:49:14BHSPitLappyit's fun on the 5G
10:49:40linuxstbIt's not properly ported to the 5G yet either - it's designed for a 220x176 LCD.
10:49:56BHSPitLappyyeah, but bigger is at least okay
10:50:01Membrillowhats the res of the 5g?
10:50:11preglownano version :///
10:50:25Membrillooh of course. i knew that
10:50:34Membrillo320x240 is what i have my videos at
10:50:44linuxstbpreglow: I tried using the clickwheel, and as you predicted, it doesn't send enough scroll events.
10:51:10linuxstbBut I prefer the left/right buttons anyway - using the clickwheel involves too much movement.
10:51:24preglowi kinda like the clickwheel for that kind of game
10:51:31linuxstbHave you tried Brick in the retailos?
10:52:13Membrillohaha, ive just found a way to avoid losing lives in brickmania
10:52:15linuxstbMaybe it would be better if the sensitivity was greater on the wheel, but I prefer Brickmania with left/right to Brick with the clickwheel.
10:52:26linuxstbMembrillo: Pause and then resume?
10:52:31Membrilloyeah haha
10:52:36Membrillojust found it then
10:54:21linuxstbpreglow: But I think we should make the clickwheel step a setting. Plugins could then override this setting if they needed to - the same thing is done with the backlight timeout setting in lots of places.
10:54:33preglowlinuxstb: yeah, i guess that's ok
10:54:41preglowi'm just worried that the event density will be a bit high
10:56:15linuxstbHow many do you skip at the moment?
10:56:39preglowi think
10:57:05preglownah, 4
11:02:01BHSPitLappynite, #rockbox
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11:04:08preglowhave nice
11:04:18BHSPitLappyyou too
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11:13:17lamedamiconn: around?
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11:17:33amiconnlamed: sort of
11:18:04amiconnpreglow: The mask bitmaps have to be separate of course. Not doing this would defeat their purpose
11:18:35amiconnReserving a specific colour to be the background is ok-ish for high colour displays,
11:18:55amiconnbut not for 2 or 4 bit
11:19:24amiconn...and handling both in a different way would be a bad thing imho
11:20:08amiconnOf course it might be possible to let the loader create both the native bitmap and the mask from the .bmp
11:20:16preglowthis will make life pain for graphic artists
11:20:26preglowand i can't say i like it, despite the performance boost
11:20:47amiconnThis could even be done with the same colour for all >1bit targets then
11:21:09amiconnpreglow: I don't see how this would make it a pain
11:21:23amiconnUsing pink actually *is* a pain, imho
11:21:25preglowyou don't see how dealing with two separate bitmaps instead of one is a pain?
11:22:12LinusNamiconn: iirc, your suggestion is basically to do it with mask bitmaps internally, and use a transparent color in the bmp files?
11:22:32LinusNletting the loader create the mask
11:22:51B4gder... assuming you load the bg bmp
11:23:08LinusNthere would be only one bmp file
11:23:17LinusNwith pink transparency
11:23:31LinusNbut the bmp loader would create two bitmaps internally
11:23:32amiconnLinusN: Yes, this was an afterthought, for wps and such
11:23:36Rob2222Good morning.
11:23:38B4gderI understand
11:23:41amiconnDidn't think of this
11:23:47B4gderbut what if you make a draw function that draws in the bg pic
11:24:05LinusNB4gder: ?
11:24:17preglowcompositor nightmare
11:24:19B4gderthe mask creation would need to be done all the time
11:24:20preglowwhat's on top of what
11:24:27amiconnB4gder: Why?
11:24:40B4gderbecause there can be drawin in both the bg and the fg
11:24:56amiconnYou can tell the bmp loader what to make
11:25:10B4gderyes, if loading is the only way to get a bg
11:25:21modalinus: how did u kill ur player?
11:25:54B4gderI'm just saying that putting functions in the loader will assume that you load stuff to get it done
11:26:19lamedamiconn: what's your mailbox? I want to send you some work about changing horizontal scroll to one click
11:27:44LinusNmoda: i connected a 3.8V power supply to the battery connector, but i must have done something wrong, cause the player never started after that :-(
11:28:02Rob2222LinusN: I think I know why I had constant 310mA USB current even when the CPU is boosting and/or light switches on/off. According to the LX2201 datasheet USB_I_in_max is 1211/RUS(3900ohm) => 310mA. And the LX2201 regulates the charging current so, that charging current+mainunit curreny is not greater than 310mA. If unit needs more => it charges less.
11:29:02LinusNRob2222: but what about the 540mA?
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11:29:26modaive got some screen dumps to show you the problem im having trouble with, im just uploading them atm.
11:30:10modahere: and here:
11:30:23Rob2222Yeah, thats the 2nd thing. If I got the datasheet right, the LX2201 cant make that. If the unit draws 550mA he will disable charging but he cant make something on that point, that the unit draws so much.
11:30:45modathere is supposed to be a play button in the middle, on the background it is greyed out, and the actual play button is drawn when playing
11:31:22jungti1234moda: haha.. looks nice
11:31:30LinusNmoda: ok, so you don't always display an image?
11:31:34Rob2222So theoretical in USB charging mode WE must make sure that the disc doesnt spin. AND as less power the unit consumes in USB charging => so faster the battery charges. cause 310mA = unit current + battery charge current
11:31:45modano, its always displaying an image
11:32:23modahere is the background picture:
11:33:07LinusNRob2222: could it be that the USB chip draws power directly from the USB 5V?
11:33:49LinusNso when we activate USB mode the current draw would be 310mA+USB chip current draw?
11:34:05Rob2222LinusN: Can be, I dont know. I checked the Iriver USB-Connect current. With charging ints the same 310mA and without charging its 40mA.
11:34:34Rob2222ATM I have no idas how to check this.
11:35:12Rob2222LinusN: BTW, RB USB charging wasnt woking for lostlogic.
11:35:33Rob2222Then he booted iriver. SET usb charging enable at iriver
11:35:45Rob2222connected/disconnected usb in iriver
11:35:49Rob2222shut off the unit
11:35:57Rob2222=> USB charging wors in RB.
11:36:08Rob2222I checked that, for mine player ist the same
11:36:10LinusNmoda: i don't understand, what is supposed to be displayed where the icons are?
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11:36:24Rob2222RB usb charging only works when enabled in iriver!!
11:36:28LinusNmoda: is the "active" one supposed to be blue?
11:36:34Rob2222very interesting imho
11:36:50LinusNRob2222: yes
11:36:58lamedamiconn: what's your mailbox? I want to send you some work about changing horizontal scroll to one click
11:37:12modawhen im fast forwarding, all that should be showing is the fastforward button, ontop of the background image, but instead, im getting a see thru patch instead of the background
11:38:04modasame with rewinding
11:38:23Rob2222One more interesting thing was, the state of usb chargung enables doesnt change when you only set the option in iriver. You had to set it AND connect usb in iriver. Cause of that i thought the LX2201 usb charging line is maybe connected anywhere to the PCF.
11:39:37Rob2222LinusN: As much as I like USB charging with a fully working RB, it can be that the unit draws more than 500mA. Even if its not much over.
11:40:33modahere is what it looks like when its playing like normal:
11:40:36LinusNit's likely to be a pcf gpio, but i can't trace it
11:40:54modaand paused
11:41:34LinusNmoda: so when does it display the ugly blocks?
11:41:48modayea, instead of the background image
11:41:55modawhen im fastforwarding and rewinding
11:42:02Rob2222LinusN: It should be possible to read the PCF registers, maybe thats enought to find it.
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11:43:32LinusNmoda: i think i know what it is
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11:44:34LinusNmoda: the %mp tag is designed for having the icons in the same place on the screen
11:45:06modaso whats the alternative?
11:45:58LinusNcreate bitmaps consisting of all three icons
11:46:14modaah, ok, got it
11:46:37LinusNmoda: that wps is *good-looking*
11:46:57modayea, im just trying to get rid of this bug before i go any furthur
11:48:34linuxstbIs WPS loading as slow on the h3x0 as it is on the h1x0?
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11:50:00modatransparent colour = FF00FF?
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11:51:47Rob2222Bger: Are you there?
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11:51:57LinusNmoda: yes
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11:52:52modaok sweet
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11:59:37modawtf: [20:59] -NickServ- The nickname [Moda] is already registered
11:59:44modacant register my nick
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12:00:20muesli__try oz-moda ;)
12:00:41krurstDoes anyone else have a hard time entering text in on the H3xx?
12:00:43Membrilloor mmmm-moda-i-am
12:01:07moda`yes, text imput sucks
12:01:24moda`someone needs to implement rockwords input into normal rockbox
12:01:48Membrilloi like the current text input method
12:01:51krurstI'd be happy if it just didn't lag my key presses
12:01:53Membrillomorse code is handy
12:03:48krurstalso, how do I delete in the current input?
12:04:25LinusNkrurst: rec, methinks
12:05:26krurstAnd here's me thinking rec never did anything :(
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12:08:20moda`lets try that again, sam
12:09:35moda`oh dear
12:09:52moda`and now i have a pink background
12:10:02moda`i think i got the wrong colour. hrm
12:10:29krurstThanks for your help. Bye
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12:10:39moda`nope, its 255-0-255
12:10:45moda`why is it wrong
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12:11:21linuxstbmoda`: Are you running the CVS Rockbox or the "H300 optimised" ?
12:11:30moda`optimized :D
12:12:22moda`cant have transparent layers :(
12:12:45moda`so i have a background, and for the image with all 3 icons, the background is transparent, and it just shows as pink
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12:15:35jungti1234It can't solve now?
12:15:37moda`and now, i get this:
12:15:43moda`probably not jungti1234
12:16:55jungti1234I'm solving it.
12:18:41jungti1234This looks like much better.
12:19:09jungti1234like -> nice
12:19:48Bgerguys, good GUI ICQ client for linux ?
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12:21:51moda`yea, thats the point, to look nice
12:24:03muesli__Sweet jungti1234
12:24:21muesli__but take off that windows logo pls ;)
12:24:39moda`thats my wps muesli__
12:24:53jungti1234It is WPS that moda makes.
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12:26:14moda`moda = SubX.
12:27:13moda`made the background transparent?
12:27:14jungti1234I changed it.
12:27:35jungti1234It doesn't support.
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12:29:10jungti1234moda`: LinusN speak to me 'It's no support plan'.
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12:31:35jungti1234moda`, I want it too...
12:32:16LinusNamiconn: what do you think about having 255,0,255 as a transparent color, and optimize with mask bitmaps internally?
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12:34:09linuxstbLinusN: Do you mean have 255,0,255 in external .bmp files, and then either the bmp loader (for wps bitmaps), or bmp2rb (for internal bitmaps) would create the mask?
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12:38:06moda`gah, why is this wps stuff so annoying
12:38:20moda`now, i have pink: omfg
12:38:28moda`why wont it just work. hrm
12:39:07jungti1234It's serious. :D
12:40:00moda`why is it doing this to me?
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12:41:00moda`why wont it just be transparent, like its supposed to be
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12:43:18preglowSlasheri: faster boot?
12:43:26Slasheripreglow: yes, ~1s faster at least
12:43:37preglowooh, splendid
12:43:53Slasheriand when we optimize the wps loading in a way or another, the boot would be _many_ seconds faster
12:43:55preglowhave any tagcache time this weekend?
12:44:19Slasheriat least i might have today evening :)
12:44:34jungti1234moda`, please answer. :P
12:44:56moda`sorry, been away
12:45:14B4gdershouldn't set_cpu_frequency() and cpu_boost() be empty macros on targets without support for them?
12:45:32preglowlooking forward to see tag cache
12:45:39preglowdon't know if i'll use it myself, but it'll sure be nifty
12:45:39B4gderwould save a few #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ
12:45:49preglowB4gder: agree
12:46:00linuxstbThat doesn't work in the plugin api though.
12:46:35SlasheriBagder: yep, at least cpu_boost should be
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12:48:09LinusNBagder: yes they are emptu
12:48:19LinusNbut not in the plugin sapi
12:48:36LinusNsince the preprocessor can't translate the "rb->"
12:48:48B4gderit was Slasheri's recent commit that made me say this
12:49:02B4gderit uses #ifdef for them
12:49:23LinusNall internal cpu_boost() calls can be removed
12:49:34LinusNi mean the #ifdefs can be removed
12:50:48moda`how many volume steps can the wps take?
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12:51:43linuxstbThe ipod's don't define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ - so those would be a good test for whoever makes that change.
12:52:23moda`LinusN: i did what you said, and i get this: heh
12:52:50jungti1234I want too
12:54:26Membrillothats the wrong pink
12:54:33Membrilloit needs to be 255, 0, 255
12:55:16moda`are you sure?
12:55:28moda`coz in photoshop it says 255,0,255
12:55:35moda`will go check again
12:55:52linuxstbThe png file contains #ff82ff - 255,130,255
12:56:11jungti1234It's png mistake.
12:56:25linuxstbMaybe. moda` Can you upload your bmp file?
12:56:54moda`yea, ok
12:58:50moda`i cant find an image host that will keep the original bmp intact, but heres a photobucket:
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12:59:18moda`it is the wrong pink
12:59:25moda`stupid photoshop
12:59:29moda`nevermind that
12:59:44SThey guys, what does the Repeat (A-B) setting do
12:59:48jungti1234I'm going to try it.
13:00:12SThow is it different from the other repeat settings
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13:04:07BgerST it should be the same as iriver's one
13:04:14moda`OH MAN
13:04:17Bgeror very simillar
13:04:19moda`this is just so annoying
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13:04:57jungti1234moda`: ?
13:05:06NightCatOne question: wich targets (with working RB) have 320x240 LCD???
13:05:15moda`now the whole background disappears when fastforwarding etc
13:05:44moda`now im going to have to have the whole background on each one
13:05:52Papricamm there is a way to stretch an image?
13:06:50jungti1234NightCat: iPod Video
13:06:50BgerNightCat i think there's no such atm... but there are plans for Toshiba GigaBeat ones ...
13:07:20NightCatiPod Video 320X240?
13:07:23Bgerhuh ???
13:07:25Bgeripod video 320x240 ?
13:07:36amiconnLinusN, linuxstb: I plan to slightly change the meaning of the stride parameter
13:07:41B4gderBger: yeps
13:07:43jungti1234320 x 240 ȼ, 2.5ġ QVGA ÷ ÷̰ iPod Բ ϸ
13:07:43jungti1234 𼭳 (ʴ 30 MPEG-4 Ǵ H.264 ) ֽϴ. ׸ ȭ鿡 15 ư ؾʽÿ.
13:07:43DBUGEnqueued KICK jungti1234
13:07:52STBger: what does irivers one do?, i havent used it before
13:07:56amiconnNo current code will be affected by this, except such using the player gfx lib
13:08:38B4gderNightCat: but none of them have a "working" rockbox if you mean fully functional audio etc
13:08:52BgerST: you mark a start with a key combination ... after that you mark an end (probably with the same key combo) and it starts to repeat the sound from a till b
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13:09:02B4gdermeaning that's a chance to dive in and help!
13:09:17NightCatNope, I mean just a work to port...
13:09:20amiconnInstead of being the number of fb_data elements, stride will now be the number of pixels to advance
13:09:22Bger(C) B4gder
13:09:25NightCatI have an H300...
13:09:43NightCatAnd day after day I think that Ipod - better...
13:10:01amiconnThis ensures portability across different pixel packings
13:10:15STBger: ohk, thx
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13:11:16NightCatWich price is iPod Video?
13:11:52B4gder60GB at... 370 USD
13:12:04BgerB4gder really ?
13:12:04B4gderor so
13:12:10NightCatVideo = G5?
13:12:12B4gderpricerunner says so
13:12:14linuxstbamiconn: Do you mean the width in pixels of the source bitmap?
13:12:18jungti1234NightCat: yes
13:13:07amiconnlinuxstb: Yes
13:13:11moda`oh fark
13:13:45linuxstbamiconn: OK, then can we change the name? For a "non-graphics person" like me, stride doesn't mean anything, but "src_width" is obvious.
13:14:13moda`im getting HUGE lag
13:15:08NightCat3 month ago I bought H320 for about 300 $...
13:15:29NightCatAnd now Video with 320x240 - the same price...
13:15:46NightCatI'll cry all night long...
13:16:01BgerNightCat i bought 340 for $500 + shipping one year ago... :)
13:16:20NightCat:( :( :(
13:16:22moda`i bought a 340 for $700 a year and a half ago. i win
13:16:30linuxstbAnd the Video also has a TV out capable of resolutions up to 480x480 or 640x360. 640x360 also happens to be a 16:9 ratio with square pixels.
13:16:32Bgermoda` :D
13:16:44moda`of course, i am talking australian dollars :D
13:17:08NightCatI meand usd...
13:17:12Bgerme too
13:17:24Bgerok, i'll say my price in ITL ...
13:17:53NightCatI'm looking on G5 now...
13:17:56jungti1234He said other word alone.
13:17:59NightCatIt's black...
13:18:00linuxstbBger: Good luck finding a shop that will accept ITL....
13:18:12NightCatIt's so beauty...
13:18:34linuxstbmoda`: Italian Lira
13:18:53moda`here hopes its right this time
13:19:03moda`*fingers crossed*
13:19:31jungti1234 hahaha
13:19:51B4gderurl hour
13:19:51moda`YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WORKS OMFG W00T!
13:19:52NightCatWe have (in Russia) iPod Video 30 GB for 10 838 RUR
13:20:26moda`btw, how many stepps can the volume take?
13:20:37moda`ive got 10, but it doesnt feel smooth to me :(
13:20:47Bger~ $390
13:21:19NightCatI WANT IPOD!!!
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13:21:27moda`anyone know?
13:21:33LinusNmoda`: 10
13:21:44moda`awww :(
13:21:45moda`oh well
13:21:50moda`10 it is
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13:23:39moda`here in australia we have drop bears. when you walk below a tree, they fall off and land ontop of you. apparently in russia "The bears drop you" ahahah, sigh. lol
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13:24:14BgerNightCat but this is for a 30GB one
13:24:30NightCatBut I have 20GB the same price!!!
13:24:35Membrillothey usually drop on you holding a bottle of alcohol, and speaking in a deap voice, show men how to pick up women
13:24:39NightCatAnd small LCD.
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13:24:45B4gderNightCat: but you can play ogg ;-)
13:24:56moda`yea, ftw Membrillo
13:25:06NightCatBut I need not that...
13:25:14moda`and promote bundy rum :D
13:25:17NightCatAll my Music in MP3...
13:25:25Membrillolol yeah, thats the one
13:25:27Bgerhaving in mind that in bulgaria one ipod color 30GB is about 900BGN ... ~ #530
13:25:31Bger$530 ...
13:25:35B4gderso why the whining? seel the iriver and buy an ipod
13:26:10B4gderthere are lots of people who want to buy h3x0 players
13:26:11NightCatI'm already thinking about it :)
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13:26:25linuxstbYes, more ipod developers please...
13:26:53Membrilloim an ipod developer in training
13:27:11NightCatIs there USB HOST in Ipod video?
13:27:37moda`awwww :( i cant find the image that i was going to use
13:28:22linuxstbYes, but I think Apple's firmware gives you limited (or no) access to. There is a third-party "usb camera adapter" available to connect via usb to digital cameras.
13:28:37linuxstbBut the hardware itself is capable of usb host.
13:29:01Bgerlinuxstb are there any docs about this ?
13:29:30B4gderI like that response
13:29:45Bgerthis usb camera adapter ... i think is pretty much the same as the USB OTG cables ...
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13:32:21linuxstbI think it's just a simple adapter to allow you to plug a usb cable into the ipod's dock connector. i.e. it just connects pins on a usb socket to pins in the ipod's dock connector.
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13:36:22NightCatNo... No Ipod... (Sorry for Ipod users) iRiver PMP rules :)
13:37:03jungti1234Iriver PMP perished.
13:37:38jungti1234It's many bug.
13:37:47B4gderthe Rockbox on PMP project needs people too ;-)
13:38:07jungti1234Iriver doesn't supply PMP firmware.
13:38:18NightCatYes, if RB will on PMP i'll buy it immediately :)
13:38:40jungti1234How about Cowon A2?
13:39:24NightCatI think iRiver has better form.
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13:39:34NightCatIt's like a game pad :)
13:39:51NightCatAnd it's good for RB and game developing :)
13:40:43NightCatBut Cowon A2 is not very bad too:)
13:41:36jungti1234B4gder, How do you think about iriver PMP?
13:41:48NightCatWhere can I get a big bag with money?
13:42:04B4gderjungti1234: well, it uses one of those undocumented TI things
13:42:12B4gderwhich is bad for rockbox porting
13:42:27B4gderDM270 rather
13:42:41NightCatB4gder: Somewhen we will find the info :)
13:42:55jungti1234yes.. :)
13:43:08B4gdersure, you can always dissassemble
13:43:22Bgeroptimists ... :)
13:43:36jungti1234Rockbox must support video for H300 before.
13:43:49B4gderjungti1234: don't let us stop you
13:44:03linuxstbjungti1234: What audio format do H300 videos use? mp3?
13:44:12NightCatIf RB will support video on H300 it'll be great...
13:44:17Bger128 kbps
13:44:26jungti1234mp3 128
13:44:32moda`hrm, im stuck
13:44:45NightCatAnd XVid for video...
13:44:48moda`i have no idea what to do now :\
13:44:56Bgerup to 500kbs for video ...
13:44:59jungti1234mp3 128 cbr
13:45:01NightCatDo a video support for us :)
13:45:09moda`as in, for my wps
13:45:12Bgerbut above 430-450 it starts skipping
13:45:36jungti1234It supports 100000.
13:45:53jungti1234I tested it.
13:45:56Bgerjungti1234 we are talking about H300
13:46:02jungti1234me too
13:46:06NightCatBger: How do you think will it support (with RB) better video?
13:46:25preglownot for a very, very long time
13:46:28preglowstop thinking about video
13:46:44NightCatWe want video...
13:46:57linuxstbNightCat: Buy a TV
13:47:03BgerNightCat because from a 120MHz we use about 40MHz only for 128kbps mp3
13:47:12preglowNightCat: what i'm saying is it's going to take a very long time
13:47:17preglowit's not going to happen tomorrow
13:47:27preglowso it's no use speculating yet
13:47:28NightCatYe... I know :(
13:47:58jungti1234Bger: It was no limitation.
13:48:42NightCatem... Just some dreams...
13:48:45BgerNightCat and worse ... mirak tried xvid (mpeg4) and mpeg2 ... 220x176 (native resolution) *only video* and got about 2fps ...
13:48:55jungti12342fps? oh...
13:49:06NightCatBger: Where?
13:49:09linuxstbBger: I thought that was quite promising - considering he did absolutely no optimisation.
13:49:11B4gderthe x5 plays xvid at 13fps
13:49:30BgerB4gder but on a way smaller lcd
13:49:39B4gderbut still
13:49:52Bgeririver's h300 fw plays 10fpt
13:50:01NightCatNo, it's not a solution...
13:50:01B4gdergiven more efforts and skill, we should be able to do xvid at least playable
13:50:28NightCatWich for ex. on Video (Ipod)?
13:50:28Bgerand these 10fps are with 128kbps mp3
13:50:34jungti1234Can Rockbox rise more than 10 fps?
13:50:51BgerNightCat ipod video uses a DSP for video decoding ...
13:50:54linuxstbNightCat: 30fps I think.
13:50:55jungti1234Is it possible by hardware?
13:51:06NightCat yes.
13:51:15Bgerlinuxstb i suppose it's not documented ? ;)
13:51:29linuxstbNo, the marketing department are OK for docs :)
13:51:38NightCatAnd iRiver PMP do so too...
13:51:50Bgermaybe i'm really dumb, but i can't understand these NDAs ...
13:51:55B4gderthe PMP also uses a DSP core
13:52:40B4gderthe PMP is in fact using the "little brother" version of the chip Nueros is gonna use in their upcoming models
13:52:42Bgerwhat do they gain with them ?
13:52:49NightCatI was thinking some days ago: why there are no PDAs with HDD inside?
13:53:15moda`there is
13:53:19B4gderBger: we don't know, they don't tell thay without an NDA ;-)
13:53:21moda`the lifedrive is 4gh
13:53:24Rob2222is suse linux ok as linux to start with?
13:53:40B4gderRob2222: I assume it is
13:53:56moda`btw, what fps do u reckon rb will be able to play once video has been worked on?
13:54:02BgerB4gder apart from the funny part, i really don't get it ...
13:54:09linuxstbRob2222: I liked it when I used it. But that was a few years ago.
13:54:36B4gderBger: I honestly can't think of many actual reasons either, other than some weird "protect your intelecutal property" paranoia
13:54:41linuxstbmoda`: I would expect that (at best) Rockbox could do the same as the official firmware.
13:55:00BgerB4gder this is bullsh.t ...
13:55:00Rob2222ok, im just installing it in a virtual machine
13:55:00preglowsure it can
13:55:15preglowjust don't underestimate the amount of customisation we will have to do to the decoder to make it run that fast
13:55:24NightCatWich cvs command to update all files without merge but with update?
13:55:34B4gderBger: and there's a lack of customer's who object by putting their money elsewhere
13:55:45moda`i i hope for atleast 15fps :D
13:56:02Bgermoda` hope first for 10fps ...
13:56:03preglowfind some optimisaton gods
13:56:06Bgerwithout sound :)
13:56:10preglowi can pretty much guarantee you i wont be working much on video
13:56:34moda`well, there is the guy who optimized rockboy
13:56:36Bgerpreglow u don't wanna become a optimisation god ? ;)
13:56:40linuxstbpreglow: I'm sure you'll get tempted by the dark side...
13:57:07muesli__strong u must be
13:57:35NightCatThe command wich will update all changed files?
13:57:50Rob2222maybe we can overclock our H300's .. ^^ :p
13:58:07NightCatHaha :)
13:58:08BgerRob2222 in fact it's underclocked now
13:58:11Rob2222I just reached 500MHz with watercooling.
13:58:17linuxstbNightCat: I don't understand what you want to do with cvs. What do you mean "without merge but with update"?
13:58:25Rob2222Bger: Why?
13:58:40BgerRob2222 regarding to the specs, the chip can go upto 140MHz
13:58:50NightCatI mean that cvs download files wich I change...
13:58:56Bgerbut then its not *cold*fire any more ...
13:59:02Rob2222lol ok
13:59:19Bgeraccording ...
13:59:38Rob2222 Cool, i want a pocket heater.
13:59:42Bgerit's a bad day for my poor english skills
14:00:21linuxstbNightCat: So do you want to keep your changes, or have your changes replaced by what is in CVS?
14:00:24moda`hrm, i just killed half my wps. hrm
14:00:52Rob2222Bger: No problem, simply speak german. :)
14:01:12jungti1234moda`: :O
14:01:17BgerRob2222 i don't speak that at all ...
14:01:19NightCatlinuxstb: The second.
14:01:21moda`fixed it, kinda
14:01:32moda`problem is now i have a flickering bmp :9
14:01:34BgerNightCat then just remove your files
14:01:35linuxstbNightCat: I just normally delete any files I have changed.
14:01:46NightCatlinuxstb: I just want not that cvs download ALL files...
14:01:48Bgerand it will put the cvs version there
14:02:04BgerNightCat then just be more specific
14:02:09NightCatlinuxstb: :) I forgot some of them ...
14:02:36moda`how can i fix flickering bmps?
14:02:40BgerNightCat look for the lines starting with "M" while updating
14:02:41linuxstbIf you just type "cvs update", then it will mark the files you have changed with an "M". You can then delete those files and run cvs update again.
14:03:02Bgeras usual, linuxstb explained it better ;)
14:03:07linuxstbBut slower....
14:03:18B4gderor you patch away the local changes first: cvs diff | patch -p0 -R
14:03:24NightCatlinuxstb: Ok, thanks again and again :)
14:03:24B4gderand then update
14:03:45linuxstbOK, B4gder wins.
14:03:53NightCat:) ;)
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14:04:06*B4gder cheers
14:04:11NightCatPeople, all of you ROCKs :)
14:04:42Bgerbtw, it's written Rockbox ........ not ROCKbox...
14:04:47Bgersomeone should note this ...
14:05:14Papricacrzy topic
14:05:55Paprica15 new wps in 4 days
14:06:03Paprica24 bit wps
14:06:06jungti1234wow rockamp
14:06:16moda`i like the 2nd one
14:06:28moda`Paprica: one coming from me soon
14:06:29B4gderI like how they call them 24bit wps when the lcd is 16bit ;-)
14:06:48moda`anyone know how to fix this problem: ??
14:06:51NightCatfools :)
14:06:52Papricathe bitmaps are 24 bit
14:07:01B4gderbut not when shown
14:07:17jungti1234What problem?
14:07:42moda`on the right hand side, its supposed to be the same as the left hand side up the top
14:07:48preglowsome people really are doing cool stuff with colour wpses
14:07:54NightCatThere is an colored WPS and nobody said it to me???!!!
14:08:12NightCatAr... Ar...
14:08:30NightCatHow to do this, HOW?
14:08:36NightCatI have to know :)
14:08:38moda`anyone help me?
14:09:38Papricalook at misticriver
14:10:40NightCatI just jokeing :)\
14:10:49linuxstbPaprica: Did you see my Brickmania CVS commit this morning?
14:11:20NightCatLook at this :)
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14:11:40jungti1234I know
14:11:56jungti1234I know already!!!!
14:12:00Papricaand play it
14:12:05Papricaand it works fine
14:12:28moda`anyone? help fix wps bmp flashing?
14:12:36linuxstbPaprica: Good. Is the cpu_boost() definitely needed? Can you test how it works now without it?
14:12:43jungti1234moda`: You help me. :(
14:12:57NightCatmoda`: I think we have no flashing...
14:13:11Papricai will try in a while
14:13:14moda`anyone know how to fix this problem: ??
14:13:27moda`theres a problem in that
14:14:04jungti1234Was the image snapped?
14:14:13moda`yea, screendump
14:14:29moda`or, i dont understand question
14:14:36jungti1234Check source.
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14:18:18Papricairiver: Init audio on background.
14:18:25Papricawhat it does?
14:20:23linuxstbPaprica: I think it speeds up the boot-time by creating a background thread to initialise the audio.
14:20:40Papricaah ok
14:23:32Papricalinuxstb, it works perfectly without the boost
14:23:49Papricai thought that i play with the boost
14:24:18linuxstbWhat about if you have music playing at the same time?
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14:26:30Papricawork fine too
14:31:36*B4gder runs for zero-scoring
14:33:32Moosfixed the X5 sim warnings?
14:35:41linuxstbB4gder: Bejewelled would probably work on the X5 - using the iriver's mono bitmaps for now.
14:35:53*linuxstb accuses B4gder of a cheap fix :)
14:36:02Mooshehe :)
14:38:37moda`still having problems with my wps
14:38:46*B4gder takes shortcuts to score
14:39:15B4gderand the sdl sim is *pain* to run over my wlan/ssh/x11 at work
14:39:34moda`and, my freaking battery bar wont work :(
14:39:56MoosPaprica: congrates for first commit ;)
14:40:05Paprica10q =]
14:40:16linuxstbPaprica: Any more games planned?
14:40:30Moosyes indeed :)
14:40:30Papricamm dont know =]
14:40:34Papricasome ideas?
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14:40:54jungti1234good idea
14:41:08*linuxstb wants a Pacman arcade machine emulator
14:41:17linuxstb(in Rockbox)
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14:41:27moda`OMFG PACMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FTW!
14:41:35moda`so do pacman
14:41:40moda`best idea eva
14:41:54B4gderthere's this asteroids in the patch tracker too...
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14:42:48linuxstbIIUC, the pacman arcade machine uses sprites for the maze and characters - so it would be possible to nicely resize it to all the Rockbox LCD sizes. Someone has even done this:
14:42:55jungti1234I have pacman's some source.
14:43:16moda`stupid battery bar
14:43:41Mooswasn't San working on pacman?
14:43:49Moosalready I mean
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14:45:16XavierGrhow can I see the expected build?
14:45:31XavierGrclick on the time next to it?
14:45:43XavierGryup that did it
14:46:15Moosor subscribe to cvs commit mailing
14:46:38Moosmail at each commit
14:47:07XavierGrI prefer to see them on the site. Too many commits will populate my mail...
14:47:21Mooshehe :)
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14:51:50jungti1234 (korean)
14:52:10dwihnoare there any reasonable explanations to why my usb mouse won't work in linux while connected through a usb-splitter hub (which actually works flawlessly when connecting a powered disk and a wifi-stick)?
14:52:24moda`FKING YES!
14:52:35moda`things are actually working
14:53:07moda`btw, anyone point me in the direction of a c video player?
14:53:11ashridahdwihno: are you using the hid driver, usbmouse, or a ps/2 emulation mode provided by the bios?
14:53:46dwihnoashridah: think it's hid, I access it via /dev/input/mouse0
14:54:10ashridahtry /dev/input/mice ?
14:54:28dwihnoThat also works (but not when I connect it through the hub)
14:54:34ashridahis the mouse being detected by usbview when it's plugged in?
14:54:54dwihnoI check the /proc/bus/usb/devices and see an identical entry
14:55:07dwihnoexcept different usb id's (hub causing that)
14:55:14*ashridah nods
14:55:38dwihnoCan there be power issues?
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14:55:53ashridahfor a mouse? I doubt it.
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14:56:15Rob2222Damn, now I installed 2h SUSE in a Virtual PC and now it doesnt even start... grr
14:57:31dwihnoashridah: Then I don't know what can be wrong... Everything else USB works
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14:59:47moda`someone find me a c based video player!
14:59:56preglowthere are tons of them
15:00:54moda`a good one
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15:01:05moda`something that is port-able
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15:07:17preglowif you're talking for rockbox, just forget it
15:07:21dwihnoooga booga!
15:07:27preglowjust get a decoder library and find some way to integrate video playback
15:07:48NightCatSo fast?
15:08:33muesli__somebody here running the optimized build?
15:08:44NightCatI want to try...
15:08:52NightCat(optimized build)
15:09:07Papricamuesli__, what do you need?
15:09:07NightCatReading info around it now...
15:09:17Rob2222Ive installes suse10 on a virtual pc and at first start im getting "Failed to start the X server" anyone a idea how to fix this?
15:09:19NightCatPaprica: Are you here?
15:09:19muesli__see my post :o
15:10:10NightCatPaprica: Do you need some H300 game to your PLUGbox project?
15:10:44Papricaif you have, why dont you upload them to the patch traker?
15:11:07NightCatPaprica: I done an H300 based minesweeper...
15:11:26NightCatwith colors and other...
15:11:35NightCatYes, minute...
15:12:12NightCatAt the buttom...
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15:12:28NightCatSecond plugin...
15:12:46MoosPaprica: now you've got CVS acces, is PLUGbox obsolete? :)
15:12:58jungti1234hehe NightCat likes black color
15:13:09NightCatYep :)
15:13:24Papricaplugbox stay a place where the plugins only for h300
15:13:40Moosisn't is the Rockbox way
15:13:56NightCatPaprica: What your wors will?
15:15:03Papricathe site is very slow
15:15:13NightCatYe, I know...
15:15:25NightCatMy bad...
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15:15:31muesli__your cat needs to be pimped ;)
15:17:00*Moos is wondering why people make effort to maintain a parallel project instead of contributing to Rockbox itself :)
15:17:20DBUGEnqueued KICK moda`
15:17:20moda`Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 1223.61kb/s Current Upstream: 21.73kb/s)
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15:17:52jungti1234very slow speed
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15:20:07muesli__NightCat your cat needs to be pimped ;)
15:20:10NightCatFu*king firewall...
15:20:20NightCatI was disconnected...
15:20:29linuxstbMoos: I don't see that big a problem with it - Rockbox has always had unofficial builds (remember the builds supporting the iriver remote?). if people extend Rockbox, then they have to use the GPL, which means we can take their code and commit it to Rockbox CVS even if they don't want us to :)
15:22:10NightCatIf someone told something for me when I was dicsconnected, please retype it...
15:23:07Mooslinuxstb: hehe you're right, but they could make job easier e.g making plugins valiable for all Rb devices..., and now Paprica have CVS access
15:23:41linuxstbOf course. We will assimilate them one by one....
15:23:48preglowa bit of the point is that they don't want to make plugins available for all devices
15:24:06NightCatYou're right...
15:24:16Papricammm why not?
15:24:21preglowwell, you tell me
15:24:23B4gderI predict that their build won't live for a long time
15:24:31Mooshehe :)
15:24:34preglowi'm just commenting on what i see
15:24:40preglowand i don't see any plugins for anything but h3x0
15:24:46B4gderjust because when we do major changes, things go painful
15:25:00Papricai dont have a problem to port the plugins to other devices
15:25:06linuxstbYes, ideally people should write for all targets. But I also think we should accept single-target plugins as long as there is an obvious desire amongst other devs to port it to their own players - I think this is the situation with Brickmania.
15:25:19B4gderI agree with that
15:25:34Mooshere too
15:25:37B4gdera plugin for one target is better than no plugin
15:25:41NightCatlinuxstb: And I.
15:26:07Mooslinuxstb: but imagine if all dev thought in that way
15:26:08NightCatlinuxstb: And then someone can update it for other platforms...
15:28:00NightCatFor ex. now I want a colored WPS...
15:28:09Mooslinuxstb: Rb would not be this that it is if everyone had proceeded as that
15:28:13NightCatThen I have 2 choises...
15:28:33B4gderthe choice is to *fix*
15:28:35NightCatOr download optimised RB...
15:28:53NightCatB4gder: What you mean?
15:29:00moda`anyone help?
15:29:03NightCatfix what?
15:29:10B4gderyou always have the choice to fix
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15:29:19B4gderfix color wps for inclusion
15:29:35B4gderthen it'll go into CVS
15:29:48NightCatBut I have not enoth free time and experience...
15:29:57B4gderthat's one of the downsides with half-baked alternatives
15:30:06B4gderthat people stay with that
15:30:10NightCatI want, really, but I can't...
15:30:16jungti1234Poor moda` ....
15:30:43jungti1234Anyone doesn't have answer.
15:30:52linuxstbMoos: That's true - but as B4gder said, a plugin for one target is better than no plugin. We obviously want to encourage all devs to write for all targets.
15:31:02NightCatActually I can't understand - what the problem ;)
15:31:22B4gderthere's a problem?
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15:31:37Mooslinuxstb: indeed
15:31:52NightCatI'm about moda's problem...
15:32:21NightCatThere is a picture, but what the problem?..
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15:32:35B4gderbtw, what color patch is that "optmized" build using for color wps?
15:32:56B4gder1380389 ?
15:33:19BgerMothers Intervening in the Compiling or Redistribution of Open-Source SOFTware (MICROSOFT)
15:34:04linuxstbB4gder: There was a short patch (3 lines) on misticriver only (I think) that added transparency support to lcd_bitmap_part() by not drawing pixels with colour #ff00ff
15:34:41linuxstbI think that's the one in the "optimised" h300 build.
15:34:55B4gderand Linus' 24bit bpm loader then I presume?
15:35:03linuxstbYes, I think so.
15:35:54Mooslinuxstb: it's good to here you're "coddling" this "optimised build" thing :)
15:36:06linuxstbAnd I think there is also Paprica's patch to give a height and left/right margins to the progress bar, and another one to add fg/bg colour tags to the wps.
15:36:10linuxstbMoos: I just spend too long here....
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15:36:47Papricaand another one to add fg/bg colour tags to the wps.
15:36:49Papricathis not mine
15:36:52NightCatAll here:
15:37:12Papricaand the progress bar patch is in the patch tracker
15:37:56B4gderall green
15:38:06NightCatWhat green?
15:38:08Moosyes score at O
15:40:18NightCatWhy are so many people here (on #rockbox)? Is they talking about something sometimes?
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15:40:36NightCatOr they all are spys?
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15:41:09Mooshehe, ask them
15:41:10B4gderit's the entire iriver development team
15:41:26NightCatAnd I'm in :)
15:41:33NightCatCool :)
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15:42:38Mooswith all those futur suported devices+irivers... lot of new people discovering Rockbox every day ;)
15:43:34Moospotentialy a lot of developers
15:43:39NightCat(If we put some banners on ;)
15:44:02linuxstbAnd a lot of pesky users complaining about dBs and button mappings :)
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15:44:13B4gderouch, users...
15:44:19Mooshahaha :D
15:44:25preglowi'm tired of people complaining about the db issue
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15:44:47Moosyes it seems that subject don't want to closed
15:44:57NightCatIt's about wrong volume?
15:45:14MoosdB scaling
15:45:18NightCatOr I don't understand something?
15:45:34NightCatOk, then i'm understand it right :)
15:45:47linuxstbI think we should display the letters "dB" in the status bar though. The complaints are normally about "why does it go from -84 to 0", not "why is it in dBs?".
15:46:06NightCatHehe :)
15:46:09preglowwont have room for that on archos
15:46:17B4gderyes at on non-Archos LCDs
15:46:21B4gderat least
15:46:21linuxstbBut that shouldn't stop us doing it on other players.
15:47:02NightCatWho wants to add db? Rise your hands up :)
15:47:45NightCatI'm interesting, why people so cares why it from -84 to 0...
15:48:06NightCatIt works fine - yes, then what the problem? :)
15:48:32Xerion_they might think it's a cosmetic bug since they have no clue ;)
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15:48:58linuxstbI think it's a fair question to ask. Without knowing it's dB, it does look odd at first sight.
15:49:01NightCatMmm, I think maybe we need improve an option that users can choose Db or 1-100%?
15:49:14preglowi think that's a superfluous option
15:49:19preglowmost users will be using a graphical wps
15:49:22linuxstbI agree.
15:49:24preglowat least that's my guess
15:49:30B4gderI think those who complain just are whiners
15:49:32preglowwhere the info will be represented graphically anyway
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15:50:23NightCatpreglow: I use a graphick + numbers together
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16:01:15ziprKind of related question: if I set all of the Rockbox settings to 0 dB is that equal to an acutal line out?
16:03:42ziprThat's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. Perhaps we should have that in the manual somewhere, as I don't think that many people other than hardcore audiophiles know much about the dB system.
16:06:37elinenbeB4gder: I have a suggestion...
16:06:55elinenbehow about split screen playlist viewer/WPS :-)
16:07:15elinenbeyears ago I would joke about a gamboy emulator... now there really is one!
16:08:18B4gderwell, I could easily imagine the playlist info getting availble for the wps
16:08:27jungti1234good night
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16:17:26nyonyai_csipcsisorry if my question is a little off. can u tell me what is the difference between iriver h340(2004) and h340SE(2005).the second is cheaper a little..????
16:18:41nyonyai_csipcsican it be that SE is weaker?
16:19:18B4gdermore likely that the kit is different
16:19:40Xerioni think SE is without remote or with non-lcd remote
16:20:00nyonyai_csipcsioo, yes hmm..i will ask..thanx
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16:38:56lostlogicLinusN: :( How the heck do they control the charge modes on that LX2201!? craziness!
16:39:14LinusNwould be fun to find out
16:39:25LinusNi bet it's simple
16:39:44LinusNmaybe it's time to fire up the disassembler
16:40:03lostlogicYeah −− the interesting thing (to me) is that it's saved during power off, so it is most likely stored somehow in the backup battery powered PCF50606
16:47:04elinenbeLinusN: did you end up getting a new h3x0?
16:47:14LinusNnot yet
16:47:26elinenbeany decent leads −− other than ebay?
16:47:35elinenbeI just bought an extra one here...
16:47:38LinusNi have two leads other than ebay
16:48:24CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16:48:24*linuxstb points LinusN towards the bright lights and shiny white toys in the Apple Store....
16:48:57elinenbeinternational version for a decent price...
16:49:20nyonyai_csipcsii hate ipod:)...can i suggest any feature for rockbox?
16:49:40LinusNpreglow: enjoy
16:50:04linuxstbnyonyai_csipcsi: You can suggest here, but if you want anyone to remember, post them here:
16:50:18moda`is there peak meter control?
16:50:28moda`how can i get it smaller than full screen?
16:50:32B4gderand mind you, a bazillion of features are already requested
16:50:58linuxstbMaybe we should just delete them all and start again...
16:51:08B4gderbazillion being the official term for "a larger amount than most people can grasp" ;-)
16:51:50moda`is menu skinning in the works?
16:51:51B4gder"Totally 420 requests ( marked as fixed, 416 open and 4 bad)"
16:52:12nyonyai_csipcsiok, i got:)
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16:53:09linuxstbnyonyai_csipcsi: What is your feature request?
16:53:27nyonyai_csipcsican rockbox make difference between one button pushed down and two?
16:53:38nyonyai_csipcsiif i am clear8
16:53:42B4gderyes and no ;-)
16:53:44linuxstbYes, with some restrictions on combinations.
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16:54:58nyonyai_csipcsiis there any feature that is useing this?for example faster scrolling when two is pushed?
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16:55:12nyonyai_csipcsiin file folders, i mean
16:55:36linuxstbI think holding ON whilst moving up/down is a page up/down feature.
16:56:19nyonyai_csipcsii got email back, about SE, and they said that that's mean second edition :P arrrgh:)
16:56:23lostlogicnyonyai_csipcsi: teh AB repeat feature on most targets also uses it, as do the next dir and previous dir while playing.
16:58:12nyonyai_csipcsibut what if there is many files in one folder?:)okok
16:58:32linuxstbWhat you need is some kind of wheel device on the front of your player....
16:59:23nyonyai_csipcsinono:)just easy way to increase scroll speed
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17:09:44SlasheriHmm, that crossfade thing in MR.. Cutting the previous song is an intended behaviour when track out fader is set to mix mode
17:10:39Slasheribut indeed, that shouldn't be used when manually skipping tracks so that would be a bug
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17:13:57lostlogicSlasheri: your recent changes to playback play right into my hands... I mean ... make what I want to do with improving the performance and thread safety of the pcmbuffer easier.
17:15:58Slasherihmm, i think the boot performance with audio initialization should be now as fast as it can be. Next thing would be to cache the wps files or introduce little modification to boot loader to allow dircache to be loaded from cache file very early
17:16:17lostlogicInstead of using basically a buffer of pcmbufdescs and then a pcmbuffer, I want to use a read linked list and a write linked list for the pcmbufdescs, and when someone requests a buffer, I want to hand them one, instead of just handing them a pointer where to write
17:16:58Slasherilostlogic: that sounds very good, i have wanted a long time to dump that current pcm buffer structure..
17:17:28Slasherithen we could easily allocate the pcm buffer dynamically also
17:17:32lostlogiccool, glad you agree, hopefully I'll have a chance to get it working for at least the basic case this weekend... maybe you can help me with the voice mixing and crossfade parts next week sometime
17:20:13Rob2222nyonyai_csipcsi: sorry if my question is a little off. can u tell me what is the difference between iriver h340(2004) and h340SE(2005).the second is cheaper a little..???? <= the SE has less accesoires. (nonlcd remote, ext. batterypack, cradle)
17:21:58Rob2222lostlogic: Have you tried observing PCF registers for USB charge mode?
17:23:05lostlogicRob2222: nope... I'm mostly moving on to the above mentioned playback stuff :)
17:25:13nyonyai_csipcsioo, Rob2222, thanx
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17:28:05NightCatQuicke question: #define PICTURES_FILE PLUGIN_DIR "/nightcat/minesweeperh300_pictures.h" #include PICTURES_FILE
17:28:14NightCatWhy this does not work?
17:28:25Bgeris there new line
17:28:33NightCatYes 2 lines.
17:28:36Bgerbetween .h" and #include
17:28:44NightCat#define PICTURES_FILE PLUGIN_DIR "/nightcat/minesweeperh300_pictures.h"
17:28:49NightCat#include PICTURES_FILE
17:28:52NightCatLike this
17:29:03Bgeri don't have idea
17:29:19Bgerbut why don't just write #include ...
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17:29:20NightCatIt wrotes that no such file...
17:29:46NightCatBut there is such file...
17:29:49BgerPLUGIN_DIR = "/.rockbox/"
17:30:02BgerPLUGIN_DIR = "/.rockbox/rocks"
17:30:14Bgeror something similar
17:30:36NightCatOk i'll try that.
17:30:52Bgerapps/settings.h:#define PLUGIN_DIR ROCKBOX_DIR"/rocks"
17:31:14Bgerapps/settings.h:#define ROCKBOX_DIR "/.rockbox"
17:31:58BgerNightCat you should use #include "nightcat/minesweeper...."
17:32:05Bgeror something like thiw
17:32:10Bgerbut gotta go
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17:33:22lostlogicNightCat: #includes are not absolute paths, they are relative to the -I included dirs for the compiler
17:33:35NightCatNow I understand :)
17:33:47NightCatI'm stupid :)
17:36:57linuxstbNightCat: What are you trying to do? Do you want to use bitmaps in your plugin?
17:37:22NightCatYes but without new system :)
17:37:32*linuxstb is offended :(
17:37:56NightCatAnd what it is "offended"?
17:38:42linuxstbI'm only joking - I implemented the new bmp2rb build system.
17:38:51linuxstbBut I'm curious why you don't want to use it.
17:39:24NightCatI try it already, and it works good, but what I think:
17:40:19NightCatI can put all images into one file.h and send to somebody two files: myprog.c and file.h and that is all..
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17:41:01NightCatBut with this new system I have to send many bmps...
17:42:50NightCatYes but still some problems, for ex. I don't know, how to do a patch?
17:43:20linuxstb"cvs diff -u > mypatch.diff"
17:43:47NightCatAnd it send images with text to mypatch.diff?
17:43:50linuxstbThat won't include the bmp files, so you'll have to zip those up separately.
17:44:03linuxstbBut also, to add a plugin, you also need to edit SOURCES.
17:44:16linuxstbYour diff will include the required change to SOURCES.
17:45:05NightCatYes, I know, but I need to write one string to SOURCES and putt 2 files for their places.
17:45:47NightCatIt's much more easier, I think...
17:45:59NightCatMaybe I wrong?
17:46:19NightCatI'm just trying to select the better way for me...
17:47:19NightCatIf I'll use the configfile RB library in my plugin, settings will be saved somewhere in RB?
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17:48:18NightCatlinuxstb: ?
17:48:36linuxstbYes - I think you give it a filename, and that file will be saved in .rockbox/rocks/
17:50:30NightCatGm, I just want to understand, what I should to use...
17:50:43NightCatFor config and for images...
17:51:37NightCatI think, for the images will be better, if they will be uploaded by plugin when it is executed.
17:51:49NightCatFrom bmps.
17:51:55linuxstbFor images, I think you should use the bmp system - it makes it much easier for others to use your plugin on other players.
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17:52:38linuxstbLoading the images at runtime is a bad idea - it means that your plugin will have to wake up the disk to access the images. It also adds to the number of files in .rockbox - we don't want too many files there.
17:53:05linuxstbIt will also make your plugin run more slowly.
17:53:12linuxstb(or start more slowly)
17:53:37linuxstbFor the config, you can use configfile, and create a "minesweeper.cfg" file.
17:54:07NightCatYes, but I can't understand C struct system yet... :)
17:54:27NightCatAnd without it, I can't use this function :)
17:54:47linuxstbTry and look at the other plugins that use it - brickmania, solitaire and euroconverter. I've never used it myself.
17:55:21linuxstbAnd also look at configlib.c and configlib.h themselves - they are in the apps/plugins/lib/ directory.
17:56:36NightCatYou know I think that will be better that in all the plugins we can controll the playing... Am...
17:56:44NightCatMy bad English.
17:57:32NightCatI mean, if I play in BrickMania for ex. sometimes I want to change the song or volume but I can't without plugin exiting...
17:57:36linuxstbI agree - I once had an idea to implement a "playback menu" in every plugin. Which would give you simple access to volume control, pause, play, skip etc.
17:57:40lostlogicNightCat: yeah, I've thought of that as well
17:58:07lostlogicI bet we could add it to the plugin lib so that plugins could pick a button mapping to access playback if they wanted to
17:58:07NightCatPeople, we all together! :)
17:58:30NightCatYes just map one button.
17:58:52NightCatSomethink like pause.
18:00:18NightCatOk, who wants to do this?
18:02:06DrMoosmaybe for devices with remote that could be "easier", use remote for playback...
18:02:28Philip_0729i was thinking the same as DrMoos
18:02:58NightCatBut can we control remote buttons without main?
18:03:56DrMooswhat do you mean?
18:04:04NightCatlinuxstb, lostlogic: Where are you? :)
18:04:30*DrMoos is going back to work ;)
18:04:41NightCatSome time ago somebody said that they controlled together with main unit...
18:05:39NightCatI mean that pressing play on remote = on main...
18:05:48NightCatBut I could be wrong...
18:08:33linuxstbNightCat: No, we can detect the buttons independently - if we wanted to.
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18:20:49Therxhi all
18:22:30linuxstbTherx: How's it going?
18:22:48Therxyeh gd, it all works
18:23:01Therxnow i want to start looking at programming bits myself
18:23:04lostlogicFebs: Started your user interface analysis yet? :)
18:23:14Therx?!? wasn't going to...
18:23:22Therxoh sry
18:24:16Therxyeh, i just need to get to grips with the rockbox source tree, or i might try writing a kernel from scratch...
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18:55:08San||Awaycan anyone tell me how to fix this:
18:55:21San||Awayi did try an fresh source, but nothing
18:55:55Bgerare you sure it's a fresh source ?
18:56:11BgerDevKit ...
18:56:11linuxstbDo you have the file apps/settings_menu.c ?
18:56:17Bgerdid you reran configure?
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18:56:38San||Awayi will download the dev kit again
18:57:02linuxstbDon't do that :) Do this:
18:57:12linuxstb(the new Rockbox cygwin packages)
18:57:30San||Awayah, ok
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18:59:54San||Awayits working now
19:00:05San||AwayI am using another dev kit I found on the other disk
19:00:16San||Awayjust as I said that
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19:03:37Bgerlinuxstb there is a cygwin package ?
19:03:54linuxstbFor the various cross-compilers, yes.
19:04:05linuxstbLinus set them up a few days ago.
19:05:03San||Awayhow would one use the cygwin compiler?
19:05:42linuxstbExactly the same as the devkit.
19:05:56San||Awayso, make a folder called home/guest/build
19:06:05San||Awayand but the source in /home/guest ?
19:06:38linuxstbA "real" Cygwin installation will create a home directory with the same name as your Windows username - e.g. /home/san/ (if your Windows log is "san")
19:07:13San||Awayin the install folder?
19:08:31linuxstbBy default, you will get a C:\cygwin folder - and /home/san in Cygwin will be c:\cygwin\home\san in Windows.
19:08:58linuxstbWhen you start Cygwin, it will put you in the /home/san folder.
19:09:18linuxstbSo you can just download your Rockbox source, and put it in c:\cygwin\home\san\
19:09:30linuxstbAnd then you'll see it when you start cygwin.
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19:11:16San||Awayit never installed with a /home folder
19:11:52linuxstbWhat didn't, cygwin?
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19:13:03linuxstbThen something must have gone wrong with the installation.
19:13:15linuxstb(or you didn't fully run the installation to the end)
19:14:15San||Awayit asks me what packages I want to install
19:14:19San||Awayi just clicked next
19:14:24San||Awaywould that be the problem?
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19:16:08BHSPitLappySan||Away: administrative priveleges?
19:16:22linuxstbI don't know, but it's always created a home directory for me.
19:16:32San||Awaydoesn't really matter
19:16:37San||Awayi just needed to build a sim
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19:16:51linuxstbBut if you have both cygwin and the devkit installed, they might interfere with each other.
19:17:01linuxstb(I'm guessing now.... )
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19:42:39XavierGrIs there any major differences between the normal LCD remote of H100 and the LCD remote of H300?
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19:45:50mirakXavierGr: nope
19:46:37linuxstbmirak: Ported any new video codecs?
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19:47:56XavierGrmirak: so they have the same lcd?
19:48:30miraklinuxstb: no, I am done
19:48:51mirakXavierGr: from what I have heard they are interchangeable
19:49:10miraklinuxstb: only optimisation could be worked on
19:49:21mirakwell at least that's what I would work on
19:49:35linuxstbThere are other decoders - e.g. ffmpeg decoders.
19:49:44mirakwhat do you mean ?
19:50:25mirakwich codec could be intersting ? linuxstb ?
19:51:02mirakin fact my main motivation was to get more than 10 fps out of the H300
19:51:21mirakbut iriver did a very good job
19:51:59mirakI hoped they did bad job, but no :D
19:53:01linuxstbI mean there may be better xvid decoders than xvidcore.
19:53:16linuxstbAnd I agree, I think iriver did well to get 10fps out of the H300.
19:54:33Papricamirak, so no chance to get more than 10fps from h300?
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20:03:38BgerXavierGr the remotes are nearly the same, LCD-wise are completely equal
20:04:49Bgerthe real differences are
20:05:00Bger1) the resistor network
20:05:11Bger2) the situation of the buttons
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20:05:44Bger3) 2 of the buttons on H100's one are BITRATE & SOURCE, they are named +10 and -10 on H300's one
20:07:15XavierGrBger so there is no reason to buy an H300 remote right?
20:07:44XavierGronly thing that bothers me is that my H100 is clicky and I don't know if it is the remote to blame or the unti.
20:07:46BgerXavierGr imho the h300's one is much much better
20:07:52Bgerthan h100's one
20:08:18Bgeru'll get a h300, yeah ?
20:14:02NightCatAm, small question: how to wrap line in splash()?
20:14:43NightCatI tried: rb->snprintf(tstr,sizeof(tstr),"a \n d");rb->splash(HZ*2, true, tstr);
20:15:02NightCatBut it's not work...
20:15:52BgerNightCat afaik the splash reorders the words to fit on the screen
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20:16:54NightCatI know, i just ask a symbol, wich wrap the string...
20:17:49NightCatIt have to be \n but on screen I have "lf" instead of string wrap...
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20:18:39linuxstb_NightCat: I don't think splash() supports wrapping strings - you can only display a single line. But I could be wrong.
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20:19:25Bgerlinuxstb u're wrong
20:19:31linuxstbOK :)
20:19:39Bger if(x+w> screen->width) {
20:19:39Bger /* Too wide, wrap */
20:19:51NightCatIt wraps but very bad...
20:19:52Bgerapps/gui/splash.c 73
20:19:57Bgerand also
20:20:07Bger widths[line]=x-SPACE; /* don't count the trailing space */
20:20:57BgerNightCat what do you want to do ?
20:21:07Papricainstead of
20:21:07Papricaif(data->wps_sb_tag && data->show_sb_on_wps)
20:21:07Papricaoffset = STATUSBAR_HEIGHT;
20:21:07DBUGEnqueued KICK Paprica
20:21:07Papricaelse if ( global_settings.statusbar && !data->wps_sb_tag)
20:21:07Papricaoffset = STATUSBAR_HEIGHT;
20:21:13Papricawe cant write
20:21:17Papricaif((data->wps_sb_tag && data->show_sb_on_wps) ||
20:21:18Paprica(global_settings.statusbar && !data->wps_sb_tag))
20:21:18Papricaoffset = STATUSBAR_HEIGHT;
20:21:40linuxstbPaprica: Where is that?
20:21:56Papricaline 71
20:22:04NightCatBger: Forget. I just want to display 3 lines, not one. But it is not nececcory...
20:22:59BgerNightCat hm
20:23:59linuxstbPaprica: Yes, that looks a strange if statement.
20:24:38Bgerthis code is such a mess .. so this doesn't surprise me at all :)P)
20:25:05linuxstbWe lost TiMiD...
20:25:28Bgerhe is in japan, afaik ...
20:26:04linuxstbThey have the Internet there....
20:26:15Bgerbut don't have time ...
20:26:25linuxstbNo excuse. No-one has time for Rockbox.
20:26:27preglowdidn't someone mail him and ask what's up, to which he replied he'd be back online soon?
20:26:49Bgerhaha maybe she met The Girl :P
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20:37:29*linuxstb pokes at the fiq
20:37:54preglowthis bastard's got a heart of stone
20:37:58preglowsmall wonder, i created it
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20:39:36AndyYI wrote a guide how to use IDA to analyze Iaudio's firmware.. hope you enjoy :)
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20:47:21Sancan someone do me a favor please?
20:48:15linuxstbpreglow: If you have a minute, should the following be all I need to do in crt0.S to set up the FIQ:
20:48:56Sancan someone send me a H300 sim please?
20:50:42preglowlinuxstb: looks good, though we'll want to write as much as possible of the fiq handler in asm
20:51:00preglowto minimise use of the registers that aren't banked
20:51:04linuxstbOf course. I'm trying to get something working first.
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20:51:58linuxstbAt the moment, my fiq() function simply increments a counter (which I display in the audio debug screen). But the counter isn't being incremented, so my fiq routine isn't being called at all.
20:51:59preglowbut yeah
20:52:07preglowjust make sure the fiq disable flag is cleared some place
20:52:18preglowtomal removed that part of the code from crt0.S and put it somewhere else
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20:54:15Papricamm how can i set function with parameter that not need to be provided all time?
20:54:43BgerPaprica look at firmware/common/...
20:54:57Mooslinuxstb: don't worrie, TiMiD don't have forget Rockbox and didn't go to Japon yet afaik
20:55:06BgerPaprica look at firmware/common/sprintf.c
20:55:55Mooslinuxstb: he have to finish all his studies his studies projects first and he don't have internet access yet
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20:56:17BgerPaprica only one parameter ?
20:57:38MoosAndyY: I hope dev will come around ;)
20:57:48Bgerhm, this seems to be the only way :)
20:57:54Bgeri was confused wit C++
20:58:20Papricamm ok
20:58:32Bgerthere you can make things like int func(int a=def_value)
20:58:58Bgeror difine diff functions with the same name but different params
21:00:32Bgerdefine ...
21:00:34Bgernever mind
21:00:58linuxstbPaprica: The simpliest solution is just to always pass one parameter to the function.
21:01:51Papricadont understood
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21:02:03BgerPaprica just use some unusual value
21:02:15Bgerand check for it in the func() itself ...
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21:02:38Papricabut its a function in lcd-16bit.c
21:02:38Bgeror use value that doesn't matter ...
21:02:49Bgerwhat do you want to od ?
21:03:04Papricamm range for scrolling text
21:03:20Papricathe x1 allready done
21:03:30Papricanow i need the x2
21:03:58miraklinuxstb: well mpeg2 gave bad result as well
21:04:15Bgerso you don't want to rewrite all calls to this func ?
21:04:16mirakPaprica: with xvid, hardly
21:04:21Bgerfor one param more ?
21:04:42Papricamm will use a variable
21:04:56Papricanot in the fuction
21:05:02Bgerhm ?
21:05:06Bgerglobal var ?
21:05:12Bgeri don't think it's a good idea
21:05:14Papricavoid lcd_setmargins(int x, int y)
21:05:15Papricaxmargin = x;
21:05:15Papricaymargin = y;
21:05:21Papricasomthing like this..
21:05:37Papricaits not a global
21:05:43Bgeryes, i saw it
21:06:12Bgerbut... it has some drawbacks...
21:06:50Bgerlike one thread sets it to diff than LCD_WIDTH, and other expects it to be LCD_WIDTH
21:07:03Bgerso you'd call this func too
21:07:11Bgerif i understand your idea correctly
21:07:21linuxstbThat's not a problem though - I think only the main thread uses the LCD.
21:07:39linuxstbWe also have functions to change the fg and bg colour.
21:07:45Bgeryep, u're right
21:07:58Bgerbut it'll be a bit artifical...
21:08:28linuxstbBut for Paprica's problem, I would add a new function that takes the extra two parameters.
21:09:03Papricafor what i want to do?
21:09:09Bgerin the matter of that some scroll funcs take left offset (only)
21:09:16linuxstbYou want to add margins to scrolling text?
21:09:24Papricain wps
21:09:48Papricavery usefull in the new 24 bitmaps wps
21:10:17Bger16 :P
21:10:33Papricain the pkayer its 16
21:11:14linuxstbThe existing scroll function is just a special case of your new one. So you can replace the existing scroll function by a call to your new function.
21:12:26Papricai now
21:12:39Papricai use the existing
21:21:08AndyYMoos: who is dev?
21:21:58MoosAndyY: All futur developers wanted to help ;)
21:23:26AndyYMoos: yep
21:24:22MoosAndyY: did you already take a look at the Rockbox current source code?
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21:42:22LinusNi was thinking about the color bitmap support we discussed earlier
21:43:46LinusNdo you think it would be good enough to let transparent bitmaps have a transparent color, and let the bitmap loader create the mask?
21:44:18LinusNwould make the wps creation simpler than having to maintain a mask
21:44:37LinusNwe could do the same for grayscale
21:44:54preglowamiconn: are you perfectly certain the mask bitmap approach will be faster?
21:44:57linuxstbAnd bmp2rb could do the same for "internal" bitmaps.
21:45:08LinusNone question is which color to make transparent
21:45:13preglowLinusN: btw, is it safe to assume that our arm cores use burst mode? i think it sounds unlikely it doesn't
21:45:23LinusNhard-coded 255,0,255?
21:45:24amiconnThe intenal processing should be done with a mask, for better speed and uniform code across high-depth and low-depth displays
21:45:36LinusNpreglow: i have no idea
21:45:47preglowLinusN: hard coded completely crazy shade of pink is what all people use for transparent colour
21:45:57LinusNamiconn: provided that there isn't a performance penalty of course
21:46:07amiconnThe loader could define a special colour as transparent, which should imho be the same for all targets, i.e. also greyscale
21:46:28LinusNthen i suggest 255,0,255
21:46:53amiconnThis doesn't mean we need high-depth BMPs for H1x0, a 4-bit BMP will do
21:47:09amiconnThe palette would then contain one entry with this crazy colour
21:47:16LinusNin the meantime, i think we could do a naive color comparison in lcd_bitmap() for color targets
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21:47:29LinusNamiconn: yes
21:48:14amiconnHehe, it would be funny if someone tries to use the german 'Telekom' logo then
21:48:25amiconnIt could end up invisible...
21:49:17LinusNthat logo is very pink indeed
21:51:09preglowsweet lord
21:51:20preglowdid tomal post his disassembler somewhere?
21:51:26preglowthe crazy-ass lisp based one
21:52:02linuxstbI don't think so.
21:52:55linuxstbHe seemed willing to though.
21:56:28linuxstbLinusN: Wouldn't it be better to have two lcd_bitmap() functions - one that handles transparency, and one that doesn't, rather than slowing down every bitmap draw.
21:56:45LinusNlinuxstb: perhaps
21:56:52preglowi'm sure he's willing, it's just the fact that it doesn't interact too well with people, heh
21:57:15linuxstbThe WPS code could then be changed to analyse the input bitmap, and call the appropriate function.
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21:58:44preglowi think that'd definitely be the best idea
21:59:06LinusNlinuxstb: i think the wps code could start with always using the transparent function
21:59:38LinusNthe bmp loader doesn't know if the loaded bitmap is transparent or not
22:00:56amiconnI think it should be possible to tell the bmp loader whether it should load the bitmap as transparent or not
22:01:33lostlogicseems like it should be configurable by the wps creator, whether a given image entry should be loaded transparent or not.
22:01:54preglowhow about we just assume that colour will never be used? :>
22:01:59preglowno one in their right minds would anyway
22:02:03preglowapart from deutsche telekom
22:02:10preglowi assume they aren't in their right minds
22:02:15Rob2222hi all
22:02:24lostlogicpreglow: in a game, that color might be hit as aprt of an explosion or sunset or something?
22:02:26XavierGramiconn: did the ondio worked with battery_bench?
22:03:02XavierGrok good to know
22:03:04amiconnThe only problem were the clipped info text when starting the plugin
22:03:23preglowlostlogic: wasn't serious anyway
22:03:32XavierGrI will inform Bger
22:03:33lostlogicah, sorry, can't read sarcasm :)
22:04:49preglowlostlogic: just assume i'm sarcastic 50% of the time, and you'll do well
22:06:12aegray50% only?
22:08:08Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: So, should we just be flipping coins on each post?
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22:09:30Rob2222If Suse in VirtualPC is faster than Cygwin?
22:10:37preglowPaul_The_Nerd: i suggest you just stop paying attention to me, altogether easier
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22:16:52amiconnRob2222: For building rockbox it certainly is
22:17:24amiconnI am running debian testing in a VM. Compiling rockbox there is 3 times faster than doing it in cygwin on the very same host
22:18:39amiconnMaybe it's somewhat slower in VirtualPC
22:19:01ender`cygwin is slow
22:19:06ender`that's common knowledge
22:20:04Rob2222amiconn: OK thx. Then I will start building the cross compiler
22:24:40Rob2222btw, is the ipod i2s driver much work?
22:24:43XavierGrdo you think I could build rockbox from damn small linux?
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22:32:53Rob2222I dont know why the graphic is very slow at a virtual PC. is it normal?
22:33:00Rob2222i mean 2D graphic
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22:39:43Rob2222configure error: no aceptable cc found in path
22:40:09Bagdercc being the standard unix name for the compiler
22:40:27BagderCC=gcc ./configure
22:40:39Bagderor similar
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22:41:32Rob2222hmm, i had installed gcc with suse linux
22:41:52Rob2222ill check again
22:42:04Bagder... then configure should of course find it
22:43:07Rob2222btw, is there a "standart" irc client in suse maybe?
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22:44:12lostlogicRob2222: it probably comes with one or two... bitchx, irssi, or xchat are likely candidates
22:44:25Rob2222ok, ill look.
22:44:31Rob2222gcc wasnt installed.
22:44:37Rob2222i was sure i selcted it
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22:52:11Rob2222which irc client is good?
22:52:24Rob2222much in package but no one installed, yet.
22:52:39Bagderxchat is fine enough imho
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22:53:16Bagderthere should be a death penalty for wikispamming
22:53:19Paul_The_NerdYeah, xchat is pretty nice.
22:53:49Rob2222wikispammin? ho does it?
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22:54:12Bagderstupid users regestering and filling loads of pages with links
22:54:28Bagderusually hidden
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22:58:38rob2222_2I think I must install linux on my notebook, too..
22:59:07rob2222_2I only dont know how it is with the partitions.
22:59:32rob2222_2can the winxp bootloader start linux?
22:59:55BagderI doubt that
23:00:10Bagderbut the linux boot loaders can start windows
23:01:45amiconnRob2222: It can, with a bit of manual work
23:02:18rob2222_2IC, found a manual at google.
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23:06:36rob2222_2hmm, 5gb are a little to less i think
23:07:20Bgerrob2222 just save the boot sector of the partition to C:\linux.bin ...
23:07:36Bgerand add C:\linux.bin="linux bla bla"
23:07:38Bgerto boot.ini
23:09:12rob2222_2of the linux partition?
23:09:22rob2222_2i didnt have installed linux, yet
23:09:42Bgerbut imho it would be better to install the linux lilo/grub on the MBR
23:09:50rob2222_2ive a primary and a secondary partition with 4 NTFS drives on the notebook
23:10:18rob2222_2can i delete one NTFS drive in secondary partition and install linux there?
23:10:27Bgerotherwise u'd have to update the linux.bin on every new kernel install
23:10:48ender`rob2222_2: sure
23:11:25rob2222_2i'm dont want to risk to kill my main windows installation.
23:11:47ender`unless you've got vital system components on the 2nd drive, you won't
23:12:07rob2222_2i only mean the bootloader
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23:20:12XavierGrrob2222: that's why you should ghost your windows instalation once in a while.
23:21:00XavierGrI have ghosted my windows installation and once in a while, when something goes wrong (a lot of times this happens in windows) I just restore the ghosted partition and voila a new windows instalation.
23:21:44rob2222_2hmm well ok
23:21:48rob2222_2i can reinstall, too.
23:22:14XavierGrreinstall? no way.
23:22:27XavierGrinstallation takes 25 minutes
23:22:35XavierGrghost restore takes 2-3 minutes
23:22:42rob2222_2ok, now i delete one NTFS partition of my secondary partition and then start the linux install, right?
23:23:00rob2222_2ghost needs 8gb ;)
23:23:12XavierGrplus you can capture an image with lots of programs on it (and you will save time from reinstalling various programs)
23:24:07XavierGr8gb worths in order to avoid reinstalling on such an OS as windows.
23:24:43rob2222_2ghost would be ok on a fresh windows install
23:24:54rob2222_2this install is so old that it isnt worth gosting
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23:25:04XavierGrthat's a vaild point
23:25:11XavierGrnext time you format consider ghost
23:25:20rob2222_2will do for laptop
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23:27:28rob2222_2hmmm.. are 5 gb enough?!
23:27:47tomalIs aegray here?
23:27:57*preglow slaps aegray
23:28:00BagderRob2222: if you go for a small linux installation
23:28:14preglowhe was not too long ago, i told him to mail you
23:28:57tomalYes, he mailed me, I thought that he is still here.
23:29:14preglowdoesn't look good right now
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23:29:29SanI got the cygwin working
23:29:32Sanbut it wont build
23:29:40Sani type pwd
23:29:41Sancd build
23:29:52Santhen it says rbconf is not found
23:30:01Bagderdon't use rbconf
23:30:11Bagderor try to
23:30:30preglowof all things in this world to abstract
23:30:33preglowwhy configure :/
23:30:36BagderI thought I had removed that from the wiki page
23:30:43Sani did try ./configure
23:31:09rob2222_2is gcc4 enough for arm?
23:31:16preglowrob2222_2: yes, we recommend that
23:31:19rob2222_2or do i need gcc3.4.5 too?
23:31:24preglowrob2222_2: gcc4 is all you need
23:31:31preglowtomal: have you tried using gcc4 for ifp yet?
23:31:38rob2222_2preglow, was that a notice?
23:31:48tomalpreglow: No, I haven't.
23:31:51preglowrob2222_2: a notice for what?
23:31:51rob2222_2ah no, its red cause my nick is in
23:31:58rob2222_2forget it
23:32:06preglowtomal: do tell us when you get around to testing it
23:32:19tomalpreglow: ok
23:32:22preglowthe server build server gcc is gcc4 already, so we'd like to know if it doesn't work on ifp
23:32:28preglowi'd be surprised if it didn't, though
23:32:50rob2222_2i just completed the m68k cross compiler and will compile now arm. do i have to recompile binutils for that?
23:33:09Sanhow do I do a make?
23:33:12tomalpreglow: I'll try it now
23:33:23LinusNRob2222: yes
23:33:32rob2222_2ok i thought that
23:34:02rob2222_2how do you make that with the PATH variable when 2 crosscompilers are installed?
23:34:13rob2222_2can be both in path? no i think.
23:34:23rob2222_2can be?
23:34:37LinusNthey are named m68k-elf-xxx and arm-elf-xxx
23:34:45rob2222_2ah ok
23:34:49LinusNso there is no conflict
23:34:57Sananyone? How to make?
23:35:01preglowis there any consistent flag i can check for for debug builds?
23:35:04LinusNbut you need to install them in separate directories
23:35:12rob2222_2yes, ok
23:35:12preglowi'm tired of my crossfeed routine breaking debug builds
23:35:13BagderSan: type 'make'
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23:35:24Sani did
23:35:40Sani tryed in the build dir and the source dir
23:35:48BagderSan: was that in your build dir after you did ../tools/configure ?
23:36:07Bagderand configure worked fine?
23:36:15LinusNno error message when you type "make"?
23:36:47SanBASH: Make command not found
23:36:56LinusNyou call that "nothing"?
23:37:14BagderI wonder what "command not found" could mean...
23:37:21Sanwill, i ment nothing, as in nothing worked
23:37:24Sanyeah, me too...
23:37:25Bagderit *could* mean that the command was not found
23:37:29Sani know
23:37:43Sanhow do I fix it though?
23:37:45Bagderso did you install make?
23:37:50LinusNSan: what installation instruction did you follow to install cygwin?
23:38:35Santhanks Linus
23:38:42preglowwhat the hell?
23:38:52preglowlogf truncates lines longer than the screen width, even when saving to a file?
23:39:12Bagderpreglow: yes since it stores them so in mem
23:39:45preglowwhy not use a single array and just use the space you need for each line?
23:40:02Bagderfeel free to fix
23:40:14BagderI made it so to make it faster/easier to scroll in the buffer
23:40:15preglowdon't feel up to recoding the viewer :>
23:40:31preglowwe could just call the viewer plugin :-)
23:40:38Bagderfor a saved one, yes
23:41:34Bagderiirc, you can extend the line lengths with no trouble in case you feel like doing a build with really long lines
23:41:54Sananyway to stop idiots inviting you to chanells?
23:42:15Bagderset yourself "invisible"
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23:44:03SanI am invisable
23:44:13SanAnd I am still getting this crap
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23:44:32thegeekinvincible or invisible?
23:45:10XavierGrStrange I have never been invited to a channel....
23:45:22muesli__error accessing playlist control file
23:45:24[San]i just got invited like 50 times
23:46:01muesli__somebody know the reason for that error on start?
23:46:31Bagdermuesli__: yes, rockbox can't access the playlist control file ;-)
23:46:39Bagderwhich is located in the .rockbox dir
23:47:00__peer__anyone have 256mb player?
23:47:01rob2222_2But I cant resize NTFS partitions with the SUSE installer, or?
23:47:04muesli__Bagder ;-) never used a playlist ;)
23:47:14preglowBagder: and \n doesn't split the lines or anything?
23:47:27muesli__but i have ploblems enabling the dir cache also
23:47:32muesli__do you see any connection?
23:47:33Bagderpreglow: I don't think so...
23:47:40muesli__used the bleeding edge
23:48:54LinusNmuesli__: run scandisk
23:48:56tomal__peer__: What brand of player do you mean? iriver ifp?
23:49:06muesli__LinusN everything is fine
23:49:15muesli__am using 2 primary partitons
23:49:32LinusNmuesli__: delete .rockbox/.playlist_control if there is one
23:49:43muesli__dircache worx
23:49:45XavierGrdoes anyone know how to see how many row has someone used in a column in excel?
23:50:47muesli__LinusN btw where are the settings saved? deleted everything concerning rockbox but my old settings were still there after re-installing
23:51:09Bagderit has a 6th sense!
23:51:20LinusNmuesli__: in a sector on disk, after the partition table (sector 62)
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23:51:35muesli__so the 62nd sense ;)
23:52:19[San]where do all the freenode oppers hang out?
23:52:32BgerXavierGr ?
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23:54:13preglowcoef calculation is spot on correct
23:54:45LinusNSanitarium: #freenode
23:55:19Sanitariumis he/she here?
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23:56:12preglowand ask and find out
23:56:24*preglow trout slasheri
23:57:01Bagderyou need to bow humbly too
23:57:53muesli__LinusN thank you, my problem disappeared :)
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