| 00:01:08 | petur | LinusN: If you compare the source of a good and bad page in IE, you can't find a difference... some stupid IE bug afaik :) |
| 00:01:51 | petur | and yes, I sometimes fire up IE, if you make webpages you have to check 'm in the most common browsers... |
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| 00:15:05 | slimx | sorry for delay ;- |
| 00:15:17 | slimx | i hope so BHSPitMonkey |
| 00:15:24 | BHSPitMonkey | coo |
| 00:15:32 | slimx | mmm work on progress linuxstb |
| 00:15:33 | preglow | hrmph |
| 00:15:36 | preglow | i've got some gain errors |
| 00:15:57 | slimx | now the port is workable :) |
| 00:16:01 | BHSPitMonkey | yay |
| 00:16:13 | slimx | double :) |
| 00:16:26 | BHSPitMonkey | one feature that I most anticipate is Channel settings on the ipod |
| 00:16:50 | BHSPitMonkey | double what? |
| 00:16:59 | slimx | smile |
| 00:17:05 | BHSPitMonkey | oh hehe |
| 00:17:17 | BHSPitMonkey | get some photos! |
| 00:17:37 | linuxstb | What do you mean by channel settings? |
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| 00:17:43 | slimx | i have no cam here |
| 00:17:44 | BHSPitMonkey | mono, etc |
| 00:18:45 | slimx | first things to do |
| 00:18:52 | slimx | are support fonts, |
| 00:19:04 | slimx | test ata support |
| 00:19:07 | BHSPitMonkey | (headphone sharing is pretty common at my school...and stereo-heavy songs can mess things up :P) |
| 00:19:49 | slimx | i'll create a wiki page for the 3g port if possible |
| 00:22:52 | muesli__ | i would never share my headphones :o |
| 00:23:26 | muesli__ | either my h320 :D |
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| 00:24:39 | slimx | :) |
| 00:24:58 | muesli__ | its all about priorities ;) |
| 00:25:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd say "If you want to share, bring a splitter." |
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| 00:26:17 | muesli__ | or gimme ur phone number ;) |
| 00:26:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, yeah. That too |
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| 00:32:40 | webguest74 | Congrats to those responsible for audio playback on the iPod.... |
| 00:33:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points to Linuxstb and Preglow. |
| 00:33:43 | webguest74 | how do I change my nick again? "/nick something"? |
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| 00:34:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
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| 00:35:15 | baobab68 | better |
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| 00:35:54 | baobab68 | so i was thinking, do you think there's any chance Apple will come after the Rockbox project, for opening up its close little platform? |
| 00:36:03 | baobab68 | close=closed |
| 00:36:13 | linuxstb | ipodlinux opened up their platform. |
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| 00:36:32 | baobab68 | to play OGGs and FLACs etc? |
| 00:36:46 | baobab68 | that was in IPL already? |
| 00:37:10 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 00:37:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Their platform is the iTunes<->iPod bond anyway |
| 00:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless our software magically allows the iPod to work with other DRM, or a non-iPod player to work with iTunes DRM, they probably won't care anyway. |
| 00:38:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | And since neither of those are exactly planned... |
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| 00:38:25 | baobab68 | i guess, cos you can already put non-drm'd mp3s on there |
| 00:38:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 00:38:52 | baobab68 | i just would hate to see RB get stomped. |
| 00:38:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, arguably it could bring them business. |
| 00:39:18 | baobab68 | and arguably ipod users won't be beating down RB's door anyway... |
| 00:39:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, there are people out there with discontinued players running rockbox, and suddenly there's a viable mass-market player to replace it when it dies that lets them carry over everything they're used to having. |
| 00:40:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'm wondering if it'll mirror the mistic river response, or if they'll be much less interested in it. |
| 00:40:28 | baobab68 | exactly. my sister is saving to buy an iRiver H340 and supplied are drying up. so now she has the option of an iPod, which will definitely be available in the long term |
| 00:41:34 | baobab68 | did linus have any luck sourcing another H3xx by the way? |
| 00:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dunno |
| 00:43:00 | baobab68 | a few still available in Australia if the search is still on. |
| 00:43:17 | baobab68 | We bought two on Saturday. |
| 00:43:44 | muesli__ | that really suxx...now we have such a decent os and its players are dying out |
| 00:43:58 | muesli__ | i pray mine will survive as long as possible |
| 00:44:10 | baobab68 | mine is so-o-o pampered. :-) |
| 00:44:31 | muesli__ | :-) |
| 00:44:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I get nervous any time my h120 acts even slightly irregular |
| 00:45:13 | baobab68 | even when i'm listening while sleeping it lives in the bedside drawer rather than risk it falling off the bed. |
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| 00:45:51 | muesli__ | those h140 got so rare they paid 390e for it @ebay! |
| 00:46:31 | baobab68 | crikey! |
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| 00:47:00 | muesli__ | indeed |
| 00:47:07 | baobab68 | at least used ipods aren't rare. i would totally consider it now that rb runs on it. great job linuxstb and preglow! |
| 00:47:40 | muesli__ | but those have crappy sound quality :p |
| 00:48:04 | muesli__ | at least this is what i read everywhere |
| 00:48:07 | ModernExecutive | muesli, is there any objective proof of that? |
| 00:48:12 | baobab68 | i've only listened to one for like 30 seconds. |
| 00:48:32 | baobab68 | and maybe it's the apple firmware that makes it sound bad? |
| 00:48:36 | ModernExecutive | i've heard that around MR, and other places on the internet, but I can't find anyone to prove it |
| 00:48:37 | muesli__ | ModernExecutive as i said, everywhere |
| 00:48:39 | baobab68 | rb will sound better?! |
| 00:49:12 | baobab68 | subjectively to me, iRiver sounded better than iPod in my very brief experience |
| 00:49:14 | muesli__ | ModernExecutive i know i guy who could test x5 ipod and irivers |
| 00:49:38 | muesli__ | and iriver performed pretty well |
| 00:51:15 | baobab68 | i've had a brief look through irc logs but haven't found concrete answers - what exactly are the causes of shorter battery life on iRiver under RB? |
| 00:51:39 | baobab68 | hard drive spinups? codec optimisation? processor / chipset sleep levels? |
| 00:51:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lack of any attempt to optimize them, mainly. |
| 00:51:50 | LinusN | baobab68: rockbox has better battery life than the stock firmware on the h100 series |
| 00:51:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not really been looking into much yet. |
| 00:52:31 | baobab68 | Linus - yes, noted. Sorry to generalise. |
| 00:52:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I remember they were theorizing that it had to do with the LCD updates for the color screen, but then tests ended up showing that wasn't the majority of it. |
| 00:52:39 | LinusN | i think there is a bad hardware setup somewhere |
| 00:52:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was still boosting a significant amount more |
| 00:52:57 | baobab68 | as in some chip that's not initialised the way it should be? |
| 00:53:00 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:53:28 | baobab68 | i note that with the recent optimisations of tremor, I can subjectively see the CPU not boosting quite as much. tremor is OGG, right? |
| 00:53:35 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:54:03 | Bger | LinusN but on H100 RB drains the battery more than iriver fw ... |
| 00:54:05 | baobab68 | LinusN: since you're there, did u get a line on a new H3xx? |
| 00:54:09 | Bger | same on h300 ... |
| 00:54:36 | preglow | there's still some stuff to be done for tremor |
| 00:54:46 | preglow | but the fact that it is memory hungry is a bit of a showstopper |
| 00:54:59 | LinusN | Bger: are you sure? i've heard reports about better battery life than the stock fw on h100... |
| 00:55:21 | LinusN | baobab68: i have a few leads, but no cigar yet |
| 00:55:23 | baobab68 | i thought Bger meant it drains it down to a lower level before shutoff. |
| 00:55:34 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 00:55:44 | Bger | baobab68 exactly |
| 00:55:57 | baobab68 | all the h1xx ppl over at MR say that they get better batt life. |
| 00:56:01 | Bger | so i don't think it's correct to say "better battery life" |
| 00:56:26 | baobab68 | longer run time before flatness. shorter lifetime of battery? |
| 00:57:13 | Bger | maybe |
| 00:57:16 | lostlogic | hmm, why would gcc not cache pcmbuf_read->size in a register on these two lines? |
| 00:57:19 | lostlogic | pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes -= pcmbuf_read->size; |
| 00:57:20 | muesli__ | u get pretty cheap ones @ebay |
| 00:57:20 | ModernExecutive | linus, any progress on an alternate us+bl firmware? |
| 00:57:22 | lostlogic | audiobuffer_free += pcmbuf_read->size; |
| 00:57:27 | LinusN | the h300 has a lot more work to do to update the lcd, especially with all those bitmap wps |
| 00:57:33 | muesli__ | not a big issue iyam |
| 00:57:38 | baobab68 | but they are so yummy. |
| 00:57:42 | baobab68 | @linus |
| 00:57:48 | LinusN | ModernExecutive: no time, sorry |
| 00:57:54 | ModernExecutive | np. just curious |
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| 00:58:34 | LinusN | amiconn is about to optimize the lcd drivers |
| 00:58:40 | baobab68 | linusn thanks for your work on the WPS stuff. now if the background of text could just be transparent... |
| 00:58:47 | LinusN | however, i have another optimizing idea |
| 00:59:14 | LinusN | the wps doesn't have to update the framebuffer at all when the lcd is off |
| 00:59:29 | amiconn | It has to |
| 00:59:31 | baobab68 | meaning? |
| 00:59:37 | LinusN | provided that it redraws the whole shebang when the screen is turned on |
| 00:59:51 | baobab68 | ok |
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| 01:00:31 | amiconn | LinusN: This would perhaps save a bit of energy, but then the screen would have to know whether the lcd is on or off |
| 01:00:42 | amiconn | The wps screen I mean |
| 01:01:02 | LinusN | yes, but that info can be made available |
| 01:01:11 | amiconn | We can't just ignore framebuffer updates during lcd off periods |
| 01:01:39 | LinusN | the wps can |
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| 01:02:20 | LinusN | let the lcd driver export the display_on variable |
| 01:02:31 | amiconn | hrmpf :( |
| 01:02:34 | San | hey linus |
| 01:02:39 | amiconn | Linux can be soo stubborn |
| 01:02:53 | LinusN | or let the backlight send an event when it turns off the screen |
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| 01:03:01 | LinusN | San: yo |
| 01:03:47 | San | how is the search for a new H300 going? |
| 01:03:56 | LinusN | so, so... |
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| 01:04:27 | San | oh :( |
| 01:04:50 | ModernExecutive | how did the h300 die again? |
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| 01:05:32 | LinusN | i fried it somehow, when connecting a power supply instead of the battery |
| 01:05:36 | muesli__ | LinusN although im codingdumb your wps-saving-idea sounds great |
| 01:06:08 | ModernExecutive | plugged a power supply into the molex connector |
| 01:06:09 | ModernExecutive | ? |
| 01:06:11 | LinusN | not all that easy to implement, but it should work in theory |
| 01:06:16 | LinusN | ModernExecutive: yes |
| 01:07:56 | San | I might be able to get you one for 50/60 euro |
| 01:08:11 | LinusN | San: how? |
| 01:08:32 | San | my friend bought it of another friend, for 50 euro, and now wants an iPod video |
| 01:08:40 | San | so, i could buy it off him for 50/60 |
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| 01:08:52 | LinusN | please do! |
| 01:08:53 | San | it is in perfect condition |
| 01:09:03 | San | he just needed the money bad |
| 01:09:07 | San | i will see what I can do |
| 01:12:38 | elinenbe | linuxstb: congrats! great work! |
| 01:14:50 | lostlogic | Slasheri: ping? |
| 01:16:20 | ts-x | Allright so I haven't upgraded Rockbox for a few weeks and just upgraded to the current bleeding edge build. Got a problem though... |
| 01:16:33 | ts-x | I now get the following message after boot... 104: IllInstr at 00000002. Any ideas? |
| 01:16:41 | ts-x | for H300 |
| 01:17:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Question: Is your rockbox.iriver in the root folder, or in the .rockbox folder? |
| 01:17:18 | LinusN | looking at this on ebay, but ships only to the us: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5857620155&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 01:17:26 | ts-x | Let me check... |
| 01:17:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've seen that error happen when there's one in the root, and one in .rockbox, and one of the two is out of date. |
| 01:17:53 | muesli__ | just do it LinusN and ask later ;) |
| 01:18:06 | muesli__ | kamikaze ;) |
| 01:18:43 | lostlogic | LinusN: looks like just the ticket for you... I'd offer to ship it to you, but I'm horrible about gettings shipped when I'm supposed to :( |
| 01:19:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:19:39 | ModernExecutive | i'll offer to ship it to you |
| 01:19:41 | BHSPitLappy | so what have I missed in the last hour |
| 01:19:46 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
| 01:19:47 | ts-x | Paul_The_Nerd: Only one copy, in root folder. |
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| 01:20:20 | ts-x | I'm still user bootloader v3 I think...could that be a problem? |
| 01:20:22 | ModernExecutive | i'm good with shipments |
| 01:20:40 | muesli__ | sounds like an idea ts-x |
| 01:20:54 | lostlogic | I'd like some kamikaze Hxx0 users to test some stuff I'm working on for audio playback and help me find the specific bugs I've created and what exactly causes them to appear. |
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| 01:22:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: It could be that, though I was having the same problem on H120 and all I had to do was delete rockbox.iriver and the .rockbox folder completely, and reinstall |
| 01:22:08 | muesli__ | there was a h100 for 100e some weeks before :/ |
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| 01:28:10 | preglow | perhaps we should have some h file for fixed point defines |
| 01:29:09 | ts-x | Upgrading to bootloader v5 didn't help |
| 01:29:20 | ts-x | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm going to try your suggestion next |
| 01:29:22 | JdGordon | lostlogic: how kamakazi do u need? audio changes wont brick the player will they? |
| 01:29:39 | lostlogic | JdGordon: no, no bricks, worst I've caused so far was a need to reset |
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| 01:29:52 | JdGordon | ok, im game... whatcha need? |
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| 01:30:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I've got an h120. Sorry, I'm always ready to do random testing, just didn't see your post |
| 01:30:47 | lostlogic | can you guys apply patches and compile, or do you need firmware zips? |
| 01:30:58 | JdGordon | can u supply the zip? |
| 01:30:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can patch and compile |
| 01:31:06 | lostlogic | JdGordon: what kind of player do you have? |
| 01:31:09 | JdGordon | h320 |
| 01:31:36 | lostlogic | perfect, a zip of the one I compile for normally, and a patch for the other. will post soon. |
| 01:32:06 | muesli__ | LinusN are u bidding on that h320? |
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| 01:32:31 | JdGordon | what sort of bugs you expecting? |
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| 01:33:35 | LinusN | muesli__: think so |
| 01:33:58 | muesli__ | if you dont i dont care due missing shipping details |
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| 01:34:15 | muesli__ | i am painles in those things ;) |
| 01:34:15 | lostlogic | JdGordon: weird problems at track changes, or with skips, or with crossfade, or if you use the voice menu system... I know that at some basic level, it still plays audio, but I haven't of course hit all of the cases, and I have hit one bug in track skipping backwards that I can't figure out when it happens and when it doesn't |
| 01:34:37 | JdGordon | sounds fun... ok |
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| 01:36:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, just made sure my CVS is clean. |
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| 01:37:59 | San | hey |
| 01:38:12 | San | how do you open a bmp? |
| 01:38:21 | San | (h300 series) |
| 01:39:28 | muesli__ | LinusN ill take that nice case if you dont mind ;) |
| 01:41:38 | ts-x | Paul_The_Nerd: Did fresh install, on first boot got 'Error Accessing Playlist Control File'. Then tried to open a music file. As soon as the wps attempted to load got the same I04: IllInstr at 00000002 |
| 01:42:51 | ts-x | When i reboot goes right to the error message almost like it can't load a wps file |
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| 01:43:47 | BHSPitLappy | question: how's ANYTHING power-related going for the ipod so far? |
| 01:44:02 | preglow | _completely_ ignored |
| 01:44:07 | BHSPitLappy | I feel guilty doing forced resets so often... |
| 01:44:08 | moda | can someone tell me what replaygain is? |
| 01:44:22 | preglow | you can turn off with a long play push |
| 01:44:23 | preglow | that's that |
| 01:44:27 | BHSPitLappy | really |
| 01:44:28 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
| 01:44:45 | preglow | moda: it's a system for making all your music have the same perceptual loudness |
| 01:44:47 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 01:44:49 | BHSPitLappy | me dumb. |
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| 01:44:52 | moda | oh, ok |
| 01:44:54 | preglow | moda: and for making sure your files never clip during decode |
| 01:44:57 | BHSPitLappy | that satisfies me, thanks |
| 01:44:59 | moda | mk |
| 01:45:24 | preglow | i can recommend a firm googling of it for more info |
| 01:45:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Hrm. Did you do a completely clean install, or did you add in various config / wps /theme files that you'd used before? |
| 01:45:53 | muesli__ | sweet price linus :) |
| 01:46:50 | ts-x | Clean install then added just font/wps/config files I've used before. Let me delete those and see what happens... |
| 01:47:16 | JdGordon | lostlogic: ive got auto-accept on, so just send it when your ready.. or send the url.. going for breaky |
| 01:48:45 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/pcm_test_linked_pcmbufdesc.patch |
| 01:49:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course you couldn't name it something easy to type. ;-) |
| 01:49:38 | lostlogic | you don't have a clipboard? |
| 01:50:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was talking about for the patch -p0 < ../patches/blah line. |
| 01:50:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, it applied clean at least, building now |
| 01:50:15 | linuxstb | TAB completion? |
| 01:50:16 | lostlogic | don't have tab completion? :-P |
| 01:50:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, I *always* forget about Tab completion |
| 01:50:57 | lostlogic | JdGordon: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/pcm_test_linked_pcmbufdesc.zip for when you get back |
| 01:51:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It kinda feels like cheating. |
| 01:51:37 | lostlogic | JdGordon: belay that, I build that for H120 and you said H3x0 |
| 01:53:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, tab-completion still just seems unnatural. It *is* nice though |
| 01:53:50 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hehe, when I use a terminal where tab completion doesn't work I start twitching within seconds |
| 01:54:36 | ts-x | Paul_The_Nerd: Here's what fixed it: I deleted my existing wps files, used the rockbox default wps, then reinstalled and activated my wps files. I don't think my existing wps files liked the 24-bit bmp commit. |
| 01:55:03 | ts-x | WOW...color is nice :) |
| 01:55:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 01:55:20 | lostlogic | JdGordon: that link is now good for when you get back. |
| 01:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: So, test playback, track changes, codec changes, voice, what else? |
| 01:56:00 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: crossfade if you are so inclined |
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| 01:56:44 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I _know_ there are going to be bugs... I'm hoping you can help me figure out exactly what causes them, because staring at the code and my own testing hasn't made it obvious to me yet. |
| 01:57:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Bug #1 - Voice. |
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| 01:57:27 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: doesn't work at all? |
| 01:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can get through maybe 2 or 3 menu entries. |
| 01:57:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then it freezes |
| 01:57:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not badly though, holding stop shuts down still. |
| 01:58:03 | lostlogic | nod |
| 01:58:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, voice is a consistent no-go |
| 01:58:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that's not even with music playing. |
| 01:58:54 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 01:58:56 | LinusN | nite all |
| 01:59:00 | lostlogic | weird. ok, thanks |
| 01:59:14 | JdGordon | lostlogic: is it just the .iriver file that needs to be copied? or the whole folder? |
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| 01:59:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | ACK |
| 01:59:41 | lostlogic | JdGordon: I'd say the whole thing, because the APIs were touched in the patch |
| 01:59:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN come back! |
| 01:59:51 | JdGordon | k |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:12 | JdGordon | fark.. my iriver snt turning on :'( i thought i had full batts... WTF?? |
| 02:00:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | My WPS looks REALLY funky on H120 now, and I suspect it's the translucency thing. |
| 02:00:34 | | Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) |
| 02:00:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because the text is being displayed behind the mono bitmap which is apparently no longer mono. |
| 02:01:47 | | Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:02:17 | lostlogic | asd;lfkja my code works on paul's player, but is now crashing on mine, wtf did I do? |
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| 02:03:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I regret to inform you that testing your patch may prove difficult as it *seems* that WPS is broken at the moment. |
| 02:03:58 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: no probs, let me know if you do get around to it... at least I know I broke voice, which I don't know how to / have the files to test here |
| 02:04:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Actually, rockbox_default works |
| 02:04:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just WPSes with bitmaps on H1x0, I think |
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| 02:05:00 | preglow | arghhh |
| 02:05:14 | preglow | just brushed up the eq for commital, and of course i had to screw something up |
| 02:05:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | What'd you break? |
| 02:06:12 | preglow | the part that doesn't make it output white noise |
| 02:06:37 | moda | whats the wps syntax for scrolling lines? |
| 02:06:50 | preglow | ehhh |
| 02:06:51 | | Quit menollo (Client Quit) |
| 02:06:58 | preglow | make clean _DELETED_ my eq_cf.S |
| 02:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | WHA? |
| 02:07:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it hates you? |
| 02:07:14 | preglow | thank god i had it backgrounded |
| 02:07:16 | JdGordon | lostlogic: going to have a shower, then ill test for ya |
| 02:07:38 | preglow | there's a bug in the build system |
| 02:07:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: With your patch, I get weird little crackly noise every time it reads disk. |
| 02:08:28 | moda | oh great, plugging in usb on my player has killed it |
| 02:08:29 | | Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:08:32 | moda | woo :( |
| 02:08:45 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, that's officially weird |
| 02:09:38 | Moos | lostlogic: wait for the Slasheri's light ;) |
| 02:11:08 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 02:12:04 | preglow | aARGHGH |
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| 02:12:20 | preglow | AND NOW I HAVE TO REBOOT TO MAKE LINUX HAPPY |
| 02:12:53 | amiconn | ?? |
| 02:13:29 | Moos | lostlogic: just by curiosity, how do you measure if there is performance gain or not with playback? (boost ratio?) |
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| 02:13:46 | amiconn | preglow: What was the problem again? |
| 02:13:51 | lostlogic | Moos: generally boost ratio yes. |
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| 02:14:07 | preglow | amiconn: linux suddenly stops responding to my inserting the player |
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| 02:14:26 | preglow | i've had it happen in both linux and windows, but it happens the most often in linux |
| 02:14:34 | amiconn | preglow: That's strange. |
| 02:14:44 | Moos | lostlogic: do you think is an accurate way to measure? I know there isn't a lot of choise but... |
| 02:15:04 | amiconn | I never observed such behaviour in windows, with no single device |
| 02:15:23 | lostlogic | Moos: it's close enough to roughly say "it's close" or if there is a large change on the same file "it changed (better or worse)" |
| 02:15:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: The noise on HD reads aren't consistent, but FLAC playback is funky now in general. As well, next track transitions using the "next" button result in a second or two of the next track, 1 second of the previous track, *then* proper playback |
| 02:16:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, the funkiness in the flac seems to have just been at the beginning of the track. =/ |
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| 02:16:35 | Moos | lostlogic: indeed |
| 02:16:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it was actually reading the HD still |
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| 02:17:04 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: do the noises sound like analog noise, or digital noise? |
| 02:17:36 | lostlogic | ok, I just cvs updated and now my player consistently crashes in gwps-common.c:wps_draw_image |
| 02:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Switch to rockbox_default WPS, for the time being |
| 02:17:55 | Moos | LinusN changes |
| 02:18:01 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I did |
| 02:18:02 | lostlogic | :( |
| 02:18:26 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, now my linux box is running well. |
| 02:18:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, I'm not sure the difference between digital and analog noise. It sounds like very very fast ticks of high frequency random noise, maybe. |
| 02:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, fractions of a second. |
| 02:19:13 | preglow | amiconn: so, what did you do? |
| 02:19:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Though, other times I would swear it just sounds like playback halts for that time. They're very short, so it's hard to tell. |
| 02:19:55 | Moos | Paul_The_Nerd: there was one noise at skip track before too, but it seems Slasheri fixed this few days ago |
| 02:20:23 | amiconn | Installed debian unstable. Then gnome refused to install. Needed some back & forth fiddling with the package sources, after that I was able to install gnome |
| 02:20:29 | JdGordon | lostlogic: i cant decide if the song sounds different or not... there was a tiny bit of distortion during the track |
| 02:20:32 | Moos | lostlogic: maybe you resucite the glitch that was here |
| 02:20:41 | amiconn | It took some further experiments to get sound running, but now it does work |
| 02:20:44 | lostlogic | Moos: it's quite possible |
| 02:21:02 | JdGordon | hahah skipping tracks quickly starts [playing the prev track for a sec |
| 02:21:07 | lostlogic | but right now I can't play music with Linus's changes, so I think I'm going to explode instead. |
| 02:21:15 | lostlogic | JdGordon: yeah, so paul said |
| 02:21:16 | Moos | lostlogic: maybe take a look at the CVS commit of Slasheri fixed things |
| 02:21:32 | * | amiconn is playing music with rhythmbox via USB off an MMC inserted into the Ondio |
| 02:21:37 | lostlogic | Moos: his fix is still present |
| 02:21:55 | muesli__ | is that remote already supported? http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-LCD-JOYSTICK-REMOTE-FOR-IRIVER-H320-H340_W0QQitemZ5860083550QQcategoryZ48683QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:22:01 | preglow | now, this is incredibly annoying |
| 02:22:06 | lostlogic | Moos: my changes are very large though so the same fix is unlikely to apply |
| 02:22:15 | preglow | i was looking forward to commiting then going to bed |
| 02:22:27 | JdGordon | w00t... crashed changeing tracks with shuffle on |
| 02:22:36 | lostlogic | JdGordon: forward or backward? |
| 02:22:40 | JdGordon | forward |
| 02:22:51 | lostlogic | damn. |
| 02:22:54 | Moos | lostlogic: have a courage for this laborious task |
| 02:23:03 | lostlogic | Moos: I do... it's fun :) |
| 02:23:28 | Moos | :-) |
| 02:23:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I just reproduced what JDGordon just reported. :-P |
| 02:23:50 | Moos | preglow: will you commit the "basis" of your eq? |
| 02:24:06 | lostlogic | anything special about the buffer status when you gusy get it to freeze? Is it reading disk when you hit skip? |
| 02:24:19 | amiconn | ugh |
| 02:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm fairly certain it was *about* to be. |
| 02:24:31 | * | amiconn spots da slowness in cvs |
| 02:24:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | The light had not come on, but the buffer should've been nearly empty |
| 02:25:01 | JdGordon | lostlogic: the ide status bar icon thingy came on |
| 02:25:02 | JdGordon | then crash |
| 02:25:05 | elinenbe | linuxstb: are you here? |
| 02:25:09 | JdGordon | just did it again |
| 02:25:39 | preglow | Moos: when i get it working again... |
| 02:25:46 | lostlogic | yay, usefulness :) |
| 02:25:47 | JdGordon | aand again, without shuffle on |
| 02:25:50 | amiconn | Using array subscripting in an inner loop.... |
| 02:25:53 | Moos | preglow: hehe :) |
| 02:26:01 | lostlogic | yeah, it has to do with buffer status, not shuffle status was my guess |
| 02:26:07 | preglow | amiconn: where? |
| 02:26:27 | preglow | amiconn: do you mean as opposed to using pointers? |
| 02:26:30 | amiconn | I was looking at Linus' latest commit |
| 02:26:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:26:44 | JdGordon | oh, playback is being filled with little pops and stuff while the disk is spinning |
| 02:26:48 | preglow | amiconn: actually, using indexed arrays is recommended by compiler makers |
| 02:26:55 | amiconn | Uh? |
| 02:27:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Just running music alongside bejeweled, without pressing any buttons, I get a *lot* of the sound glitches I was talking about. |
| 02:27:18 | preglow | amiconn: it optimises indexed array use the same as incrementing pointers anyway |
| 02:27:21 | amiconn | Everytime I checked the generated assembly, using array subscripts generated slower code |
| 02:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It sounds like samples are getting mixed up, or something. |
| 02:27:34 | preglow | amiconn: and when you use an indexed array, the compiler knows there is no aliasing |
| 02:27:56 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, as soon as I get playign again, I'll try that. |
| 02:28:15 | preglow | in that case gcc is doing a poor job |
| 02:28:20 | preglow | as is too often the case these days |
| 02:29:02 | JdGordon | yup, u got buffer problems... |
| 02:29:03 | aliask | Hrm... I'm getting lovely IllInstr's when trying to play music. |
| 02:29:04 | amiconn | I don't trust gcc for time critical things |
| 02:29:21 | preglow | nor should you |
| 02:29:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It's any time the cpu boosts. |
| 02:29:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Backlight fading did it too. |
| 02:29:31 | preglow | gcc isn't that good for anything but x86 and powerpc |
| 02:29:39 | amiconn | Efficiency of gcc generated code varies a hell of a lot |
| 02:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can only *consistently* get it to happen in flac so far. |
| 02:30:18 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, that at least gives me something to go on |
| 02:30:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | aliask: Try loading the rockbox_default theme. If you just updated, there's been some recent bugs introduced, possibly. |
| 02:30:24 | preglow | amiconn: i have seen gcc do stupid things like spill a register to stack even when it doesn't need the register, only to reload from stack later |
| 02:30:36 | lostlogic | aliask: H3x0 or H1x0? |
| 02:30:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I'm doin' what I can. :) |
| 02:30:48 | aliask | H3x0 with a brand spanking new CVS. |
| 02:30:55 | aliask | I'm going to try the theme thingo. |
| 02:30:56 | lostlogic | aliask: I had to take out the latest changes that Linus put in in order to get playing again |
| 02:31:20 | amiconn | I've seem more fun things like * moving data from one register to another without reason. * reloading the same constant over and over |
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| 02:31:47 | aliask | Loading the rockbox_default theme worked. |
| 02:31:52 | aliask | Something in the bitmap loading? |
| 02:31:54 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, saw lots of that when I was futzing with tremor |
| 02:31:57 | lostlogic | aliask: yes |
| 02:32:09 | aliask | Damn, that's why I just upgraded :( |
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| 02:32:32 | amiconn | Oh, and also loading constants from memory within a loop, when there were enough free registers to preload the constants |
| 02:33:08 | amiconn | I admit this was with -O, not -O2 |
| 02:33:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: And I don't know how to use crossfade since I don't really like it, so my testing is with that disabled. |
| 02:33:37 | lostlogic | amiconn: sometimes saving registers makes sense, but GCC seems to be very register shy when it is unnecessary. |
| 02:34:00 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: nod, I just finally got that crackling noise thing you were talking about to happen... wouldn't happen on ogg, but happened on MP3 |
| 02:34:10 | lostlogic | almost seems like the faster codecs have it more |
| 02:34:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 02:34:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC gets it BAD |
| 02:34:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | MP3 gets it pretty minorly |
| 02:34:28 | preglow | amiconn: which reminds me, we should try using O2 for main rockbox on non-archos devices |
| 02:34:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some of my mp3s don't even get it at all. |
| 02:34:33 | amiconn | lostlogic: Perhaps because x86 has so few registers? All our target archs have more registers |
| 02:35:01 | lostlogic | amiconn: hmm, I was actually wondering that... (I know nothing about x86) |
| 02:35:15 | amiconn | (all have 16 iirc) |
| 02:35:19 | preglow | if they have put x86 specific case in the frontend, they should be shot |
| 02:35:29 | JdGordon | what the heck is crossfeed? |
| 02:35:52 | lostlogic | preglow: only x86 has -mregparm capability... for no good reason... so they seem to do stuff like that |
| 02:35:57 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 02:36:02 | moda | guys: how can i improve my wps: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1290/dump4001040432271ej.png |
| 02:36:07 | preglow | regparm on an arch with about six registers |
| 02:36:10 | amiconn | -mregparm ? |
| 02:36:26 | lostlogic | amiconn: pass function arguments in scratch regs instead of on the stack |
| 02:36:32 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 02:36:39 | preglow | amiconn: you know, what gcc _should_ have supported on m68k |
| 02:36:44 | amiconn | Afaik, this depends on the abi |
| 02:36:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Crossfeed is a filter to make music through headphones sound more "natural" aka like music heard from speakers. I'm not entirely sure how, I could give vague descriptions but I'd probably mangle it. |
| 02:36:54 | amiconn | SH1 does that |
| 02:36:56 | preglow | on x86 it depends on calling convention |
| 02:36:59 | preglow | arm does too |
| 02:37:00 | JdGordon | woo.... crash if u fast forward in a track past the buffer (i tihnk...) |
| 02:37:05 | preglow | and m68k definitely has enough registers, but no |
| 02:37:05 | lostlogic | it breaks the ABI on x86, but they still do it |
| 02:37:08 | preglow | gcc doesn't even support it |
| 02:37:21 | preglow | lostlogic: it doesn't really, windows supports it |
| 02:37:33 | preglow | lostlogic: it's called fastcall calling convention |
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| 02:37:36 | moda | i dont know how i can improve my wps currently, i want it to be good before i release it: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1290/dump4001040432271ej.png |
| 02:37:41 | amiconn | Isn't there a patch for gcc m68k? |
| 02:37:46 | preglow | amiconn: yeah |
| 02:37:53 | preglow | lostlogic tried it out |
| 02:38:00 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, I've got it applied and tested it out, no real performance change in rockbox as far as we could tell |
| 02:38:04 | JdGordon | moda: looks damn nice |
| 02:38:06 | amiconn | hmm |
| 02:38:11 | preglow | code should be smaller |
| 02:38:14 | preglow | lostlogic: did you check that? |
| 02:38:18 | lostlogic | amiconn: that's why I was asking about moving your big assmebly functions into .c files |
| 02:38:26 | amiconn | m68k has rather few scratch registers |
| 02:38:29 | lostlogic | preglow: no, I didn't pay attention to it, should have. |
| 02:38:36 | ts-x | Paul_The_Nerd: It seems I wasn't alone with the wps issue....I wonder if everyone who moves to the latest build with have the same problem? |
| 02:38:50 | lostlogic | ts-x: yes |
| 02:38:54 | ts-x | Ouch |
| 02:38:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Yup. It even happens on H120s now. |
| 02:38:59 | preglow | could have used a couple of scratch regs more without me becoming angry, eys |
| 02:39:12 | preglow | arm doesn't have too many scratch regs either |
| 02:39:15 | preglow | r0-r3 |
| 02:39:18 | JdGordon | lostlogic: it just crashed when i ffwd'd about 40sec and accidently let go of the button and pressed it again |
| 02:39:35 | lostlogic | JdGordon: *nod* thanks |
| 02:39:40 | amiconn | SH1: 8 scratch registers (r0..r7), 4 of them can be used for parameter passing (r4..r7) |
| 02:39:55 | preglow | eight seems a bit much |
| 02:40:00 | amiconn | r8..r14 are preserved, r15 is SP |
| 02:40:44 | preglow | god, this is annoying |
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| 02:40:54 | amiconn | 8 is perfect. SH1 memcpy doesn't need to save any register on stack |
| 02:41:13 | JdGordon | and again... the ide icon was off when i did it.. |
| 02:42:00 | amiconn | ...and since memcpy doesn |
| 02:42:31 | amiconn | x |
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| 02:44:11 | BHSPitLappy | preglow: so what's left before the ipod becomes an official target? |
| 02:44:16 | BHSPitLappy | volume, power, etc? |
| 02:45:17 | moda | gah, my wps keeps crashing |
| 02:47:30 | preglow | BHSPitLappy: is say it is one now |
| 02:47:59 | preglow | only thing that's kept me from telling bagder to add it to the build table, is the fact that he isn't online |
| 02:48:24 | linuxstb | I would say we need better installation instructions first as well. |
| 02:48:27 | | Join saratoga [0] (n=80c4c198@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:48:34 | linuxstb | We don't want to make binaries available with no instructions. |
| 02:48:53 | saratoga | just saw the news on the ipod port. Congrats to the developers ! |
| 02:48:57 | elinenbe | ah linuxstb... you are here! |
| 02:49:01 | elinenbe | good job! |
| 02:49:12 | elinenbe | actually, great job! |
| 02:49:22 | elinenbe | you took the ipod by the horns and tamed that beast! |
| 02:49:26 | linuxstb | Thanks. preglow deserves a lot of credit as well. |
| 02:49:38 | linuxstb | And of course the ipodlinux people for doing the really hard work in the first place. |
| 02:49:51 | elinenbe | preglow and linuxstb: do 320kbps mp3s play okay? |
| 02:50:02 | preglow | elinenbe: haven't the foggiest, my guess is yes, though |
| 02:50:16 | linuxstb | I don't have any. How would I create one with lame? |
| 02:50:19 | elinenbe | nice work |
| 02:50:40 | preglow | libmad comes pre-optimised for arm |
| 02:50:45 | preglow | so can't take any of the credit for that |
| 02:50:54 | saratoga | lame file.wav -b 320 |
| 02:50:55 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: you seem to have much more of the noise problem, want to try a possible fix? |
| 02:51:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Sure thing |
| 02:51:18 | lostlogic | crap, nevermind, I just got it again, *still working* |
| 02:51:24 | saratoga | thats the line for preset insane in lame 3.97b2 |
| 02:51:33 | saratoga | straight 320cbr |
| 02:51:36 | elinenbe | come on guys... you did a lot of work... stop being modest! take credit! |
| 02:51:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, I should be here for a while. |
| 02:51:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | elinenbe: I can take credit for their work, if they don't want to. :-P |
| 02:51:59 | linuxstb | OK, encoding a "-b 320" lame file now... |
| 02:52:14 | linuxstb | I've only got lame 3.96.1 installed though. Is that OK? |
| 02:52:19 | saratoga | i think so |
| 02:52:21 | elinenbe | how long until the ipod 3g and minis are up and running? are they similar at all? |
| 02:52:33 | elinenbe | also, what is the status of IPL on the 5g? |
| 02:52:36 | saratoga | i think someone got the LCD on the 3G to work |
| 02:52:41 | saratoga | so thats something |
| 02:53:27 | linuxstb | The 4g b/w and mini should be relatively easy after the LCD driver is written. The 4g b/w should just work, and the mini needs some minor changes I think. We just need some more devs with the older ipods. |
| 02:54:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | 320kbps MP3s work fine. |
| 02:54:14 | linuxstb | IPL (and Rockbox) on the 5G have a relatively slow (but usable, at least in Rockbox) LCD driver, but no audio at all. |
| 02:54:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *knew* I had one on here somewhere |
| 02:54:36 | saratoga | hmm I have an older 3G to play with |
| 02:54:51 | saratoga | what exactly needs to be done? |
| 02:54:54 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, no problem with that -b 320 file here either. |
| 02:55:02 | saratoga | adapting the ipodlinux code I guess? |
| 02:55:31 | linuxstb | Yes. "slimx" has started work on it. |
| 02:55:34 | preglow | yes! |
| 02:55:39 | preglow | god, i'm a retard |
| 02:55:50 | * | linuxstb can empathise |
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| 02:56:24 | saratoga | I really need to build the arm compiler |
| 02:56:31 | linuxstb | Yes, that's a good start :) |
| 02:56:56 | saratoga | well i'm lazy |
| 02:57:31 | linuxstb | Are you on Linux or Windows or ... ? |
| 02:58:15 | * | preglow wonders what this clicking sounds is... |
| 02:58:35 | saratoga | Windows, but I do most of my programming in cygwin, so I have that already |
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| 02:58:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Clicking sound? |
| 02:58:58 | webguest56 | what about the 5G, is sound working on that one too? |
| 02:59:20 | linuxstb | saratoga: You can get the arm cross-compiler from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment (go to step 3 if you have already installed cygwin) |
| 02:59:35 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, eq makes clikcing sound sometimes, for some reason |
| 02:59:41 | preglow | it randomly apperas |
| 02:59:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Strange |
| 02:59:44 | preglow | but to hell with that |
| 02:59:48 | preglow | i'm commiting it now |
| 02:59:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 03:00:01 | saratoga | wow, has it always been that easy? |
| 03:00:49 | linuxstb | No. LinusN set that up about a week ago. |
| 03:01:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | There was another cygwin package from somewhere else you could use |
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| 03:01:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | That had sh amd m68k gcc/binutils and etc. |
| 03:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | and |
| 03:01:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it was kinda inconsistent. |
| 03:02:37 | preglow | amiconn: do you have any idea why an .S file i have gets deleted on make clean? |
| 03:02:38 | webguest56 | no answer about the ipod 5G? Can i take that as a no? |
| 03:02:54 | linuxstb | webguest56: No sound on the 5g. |
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| 03:03:10 | webguest56 | ok |
| 03:03:49 | saratoga | should I just update my cygwin with the entire rockbox mirror set of componets? |
| 03:03:51 | webguest56 | what's the big problem that needs to be solved and where do I keep an eye on this issue to make sure I know when it happens? |
| 03:04:47 | linuxstb | The big problem is not knowing how the audio hardware works on the 5g. |
| 03:05:18 | saratoga | that bizzare how portal player doesn't publish documentation |
| 03:06:22 | webguest56 | aha.... |
| 03:06:36 | moda | ahah, i think my wps is finally finishedf |
| 03:06:37 | moda | yay |
| 03:06:54 | linuxstb | Are there any color WPSs that work with CVS Rockbox? |
| 03:10:17 | moda | what does status bar on and off mean? |
| 03:11:24 | ts-x | linuxstb: Are you asking whether color itself works with current cvs? |
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| 03:11:55 | linuxstb | I'm assuming color works, I'm asking if there are any WPSs that will work without any other patches. |
| 03:12:46 | ts-x | I'm working on one right now from scratch...and immediately realizing the need for user definable background and foreground colors |
| 03:13:06 | BHSPitLappy | saratoga: have you gotten the compiler yet? |
| 03:13:17 | elinenbe | preglow: NICE SHIVa! |
| 03:13:42 | preglow | and good riddance |
| 03:13:46 | preglow | really tired now |
| 03:14:08 | ts-x | linuxstb: Do you need one for testing? Mine's kind of a mess, but I can send it your way |
| 03:14:48 | saratoga | BHSPitLappy: Its downloading the cross compilers now |
| 03:14:59 | saratoga | 86% done |
| 03:15:01 | linuxstb | ts-x: It's OK, thanks. I'll probably end up applying some of the uncommitted patches. |
| 03:15:04 | BHSPitLappy | saratoga: oh, well FYI, I got mine from gnuarm.org |
| 03:15:15 | BHSPitLappy | simple windows installer, works with cygwin |
| 03:15:16 | saratoga | I wasn't sure which exactly were required so I grabbed everything from rockbox.org |
| 03:15:32 | saratoga | heh, crap |
| 03:15:32 | linuxstb | Time for sleep. Goodnight all. |
| 03:15:53 | preglow | me too |
| 03:15:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cya |
| 03:16:02 | ts-x | Goodnight |
| 03:16:03 | preglow | if the build breaks, someone just revert the entire shit |
| 03:16:10 | preglow | be back tomorrow, good night |
| 03:16:13 | BHSPitLappy | nite |
| 03:16:16 | linuxstb | commit and run? |
| 03:16:34 | preglow | yeah, i forgot builds take forever this time of day |
| 03:16:51 | preglow | and i'm not able to staw awake for another hour |
| 03:16:56 | preglow | besides, it doesn't touch much |
| 03:16:59 | preglow | should be fine |
| 03:17:00 | lostlogic | preglow: considering the state of things with Linus's commit, I think it's just goign to be an ugly night, but I'll take a look if it breaks. |
| 03:17:07 | preglow | lostlogic: good |
| 03:17:12 | preglow | lostlogic: and thanks |
| 03:17:18 | lostlogic | np, g'night |
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| 03:18:11 | ts-x | Looks like transparancy in wps now works... |
| 03:18:27 | BHSPitLappy | what are wps'ses anyway |
| 03:18:34 | * | BHSPitLappy = n00b! |
| 03:19:05 | moda | while playing screen |
| 03:19:13 | saratoga | where is rockbox.org hosted anyway? The IRC logs seem to switch days at some point in the middle of the afternoon (for me anyway) |
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| 03:20:24 | BHSPitLappy | who's the bot that takes care of it? |
| 03:20:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | logbot_ perhaps? |
| 03:20:46 | BHSPitLappy | haha |
| 03:20:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 03:20:51 | BHSPitLappy | well I didn't look |
| 03:21:03 | amiconn | saratoga: www.rockbox.org is hosted in sweden. |
| 03:21:08 | amiconn | Timezone is CET |
| 03:21:11 | moda | my wps: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=382370#post382370 |
| 03:21:16 | BHSPitLappy | I was just putting a logic chain together for saratoga, the turning point battle of the american revolution. |
| 03:22:41 | BHSPitLappy | :D |
| 03:23:55 | moda | im fairly happy with my wps |
| 03:27:39 | saratoga | wow its so nice to compile something in cygwin and actually find that it works without needing 15 different things changed |
| 03:28:47 | ashridah | which fantasy land is this? :) |
| 03:30:05 | saratoga | what does DLL do in a makefile anyway? |
| 03:31:02 | ashridah | in which context? |
| 03:32:37 | saratoga | the make file runs DLL after CC on each file |
| 03:32:41 | saratoga | just wondering what that does |
| 03:32:47 | saratoga | some sort of linking ? |
| 03:33:15 | ashridah | it'd be the equivalent of 'ld', the linker. |
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| 03:33:20 | ashridah | i assume, at any rate |
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| 03:34:14 | ashridah | it should be running m68k-elf-dlltool (or equivalent for your target |
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| 03:37:15 | amiconn_ | DLL is indeed dlltool |
| 03:37:30 | amiconn_ | It's only run when building win32 simulators |
| 03:38:03 | amiconn_ | ...because the plugins and codecs are dlls on windows |
| 03:39:47 | saratoga | ah |
| 03:39:58 | saratoga | should the Ipod simulator be able to actually play back files? |
| 03:40:49 | ashridah | i imagine it *should*. reality is another matter :) |
| 03:40:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, build table shows errors |
| 03:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorta |
| 03:41:18 | amiconn_ | saratoga: Yes, if it's enabled in autoconf.h |
| 03:41:38 | lostlogic | hmph, I wonder what preglow did to cause that |
| 03:41:45 | amiconn_ | For some reason 'configure' doesn't enable sound by default for win32 sims |
| 03:42:44 | amiconn | lostlogic: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `eq_cf.S', needed by `build-h100/apps/dep-apps'. |
| 03:43:08 | saratoga | so I need to add "#def ROCKBOX_HAS_SIMSOUND" to that file then? |
| 03:43:27 | amiconn | Seems he forgot to commit a file |
| 03:43:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 03:43:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | He mentioned "make clean" erasing that file on accident earlier |
| 03:43:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe he lost it again |
| 03:43:56 | lostlogic | amiconn: :( he just forgot the file, so hafta back out his changes for tonight |
| 03:45:10 | * | amiconn_ should go to sleep |
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| 03:46:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder how the score is determined |
| 03:47:05 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: 10*errors+warnings |
| 03:47:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 03:47:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nice |
| 03:47:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like it. |
| 03:48:16 | lostlogic | I have a bad habit of being the one with the highest score on there lately :-P |
| 03:49:25 | moda | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=382370&postcount=32 |
| 03:54:10 | saratoga | I still can't get the Win32 UI simulator to work |
| 03:54:25 | saratoga | i changed the #define in autoconf.h |
| 03:54:32 | saratoga | is there something else I need to do to enable audio? |
| 03:54:37 | saratoga | everythign else seems to work fine |
| 03:54:58 | saratoga | but I keep getting "codec failure" on the screen |
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| 04:17:23 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: still around? |
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| 04:21:56 | saratoga | have people gotten the UI Sim to play audio on cygwin? |
| 04:22:15 | Midgey34 | yes |
| 04:22:24 | Midgey34 | win32? not sdl? |
| 04:22:38 | saratoga | yeah I choose win32 |
| 04:22:43 | saratoga | i don't know what sdl is |
| 04:23:10 | Midgey34 | in autoconf.h |
| 04:23:16 | Midgey34 | change #undef ROCKBOX_HAS_SIMSOUND |
| 04:23:21 | Midgey34 | to #define ROCKBOX_HAS_SIMSOUND |
| 04:23:45 | saratoga | damn it I did that, but it got changed back |
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| 04:23:56 | saratoga | i'm guessing running configure does that? |
| 04:24:33 | lostlogic | saratoga: yes, configure replaces Makefile and autoconf.h |
| 04:24:49 | saratoga | remaking now |
| 04:25:27 | f6d | who is NicholasChaplin, and how dare he takes Linus' credit? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/IriverBoot |
| 04:26:21 | f6d | is he another wiki spammer? |
| 04:26:37 | Midgey34 | I saw that, I was wondering if he possibly changed something |
| 04:27:16 | f6d | yeah... probably would brick it too |
| 04:29:15 | saratoga | damn, still getting a codec failure error |
| 04:30:57 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: found the cause of the mixed samples you were hearing |
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| 04:32:35 | saratoga | also, what does the "no .rockbox directory" followed by "installation incomplete" message mean? |
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| 04:35:34 | Midgey34 | you don't have a rockbox dir |
| 04:35:40 | Midgey34 | run make zip |
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| 04:35:50 | Midgey34 | then unzip into the archos directory |
| 04:36:48 | saratoga | holy shit it works |
| 04:36:54 | saratoga | thanks ! |
| 04:37:23 | Midgey34 | no problem |
| 04:37:37 | BHSPitLappy | SDL is simple directmedia layer, iirc |
| 04:37:38 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 04:37:58 | saratoga | heh 100% on my 3.2GHz P4, but it works |
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| 04:49:26 | JdGordon | preglow: still there? |
| 04:50:21 | saratoga | i think he went to bed |
| 04:50:26 | saratoga | which is what I'm going to do |
| 04:50:31 | saratoga | thanks everyone for the help |
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| 04:53:09 | Midgey34 | any clue which commit broke the WPS? was it color bitmap support or transparency? |
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| 05:05:36 | RotAtoR | Midgey34: yikes, i see what you mean, the wps bmps on my h140 seem to be about half the height they should be and no text is displayed |
| 05:09:17 | RotAtoR | looking at the changes, i would say it's most likely the color bmp support that introduced the bug |
| 05:10:05 | Midgey34 | right now I'm reverting the transparency changes in my local source to see if that helps at all |
| 05:10:35 | RotAtoR | LinusN, what did you do?! :p |
| 05:11:09 | ts-x | It's a little buggy, but damn nice looking on the h3xx! |
| 05:13:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: So, the mixed samples are fixed? |
| 05:13:27 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, new patch same URL with a 2 before the .patch |
| 05:13:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, I wandered off to do something about the "food" situation, specifically in relation to the "I do not seem to have any" aspect. |
| 05:14:12 | Midgey34 | alright, well without the transparency, WPS with bitmaps work on the h300sim at least |
| 05:14:19 | Midgey34 | haven't tried on target |
| 05:15:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, buildin' now. |
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| 05:21:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lostlogic: Alright, that fixed that one, at least. :) |
| 05:21:59 | lostlogic | some others might be fixed too :-P |
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| 05:22:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | The one that triggers on hitting "Previous Track" isn't |
| 05:22:44 | lostlogic | asdf;laksjdf |
| 05:22:52 | lostlogic | so much for that |
| 05:23:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, at least one of 'ems out of the way |
| 05:23:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | But skip forward until it's forced to load a track from disk, then just as that track is about to start / starts playing, hit back, and it freezes. |
| 05:23:35 | Midgey34 | RoTaToR: revert the transparency changes fixes the h120 sim, it will probably fix it on target as well |
| 05:24:29 | RotAtoR | Midgey34: I've figured out what the problem is |
| 05:24:35 | Midgey34 | oh good |
| 05:25:15 | RotAtoR | in gwps-common.c line 1255, it's using transparent_bitmap() for LCD_DEPTH>1 |
| 05:25:57 | RotAtoR | h1xx has LCD_DEPTH=4 IIRC, but the bitmaps used for the WPS are mono, so the mono version of the call should be used |
| 05:26:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is depth the number of colors, or bits? |
| 05:26:20 | RotAtoR | bits |
| 05:26:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then h1xx = 2 |
| 05:26:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right? |
| 05:26:46 | RotAtoR | i can't think at the moment :p |
| 05:26:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:26:55 | Midgey34 | alright |
| 05:26:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just tryin' to be helpful. |
| 05:26:58 | RotAtoR | hopped up on caffeine |
| 05:27:04 | RotAtoR | o_O |
| 05:27:15 | Midgey34 | by the way, do you mind if I borrow your saving code from bejeweled? |
| 05:27:45 | RotAtoR | no problem, you don't even have to ask, it's all GPLed |
| 05:28:10 | Midgey34 | I know, but its always nice to ask |
| 05:29:43 | RotAtoR | hum... on second thought it *appears* to be handling that bitmap drawing correctly there... |
| 05:30:27 | RotAtoR | i failed to glance up a few lines to see it's checking the format of the bitmap to see if it's mono |
| 05:35:14 | RotAtoR | hmm, it looks like that section is actually the problem though |
| 05:35:39 | RotAtoR | it's calling transparent_bitmap() even though the bitmap it actually mono |
| 05:36:33 | RotAtoR | perhaps the "FORMAT_MONO" flag for the bitmap isn't being set properly... |
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| 05:50:00 | lostlogic | Midgey34: saving last level in sokoban? |
| 05:50:55 | RotAtoR | I'm not sure if it's the proper fix, but here's a patch to fix the wps: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/aboot2/www/bmp.diff |
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| 05:54:18 | RotAtoR | LinusN seems to be using the bmp format as a bitfield so the '==' comparison didn't work when calling read_bmp_file() with 'FORMAT_ANY|FORMAT_TRANSPARENT' as the format |
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| 06:03:35 | lostlogic | RotAtoR: mind if I apply that to CVS for the time being so things don't crash? |
| 06:04:24 | RotAtoR | sure, go ahead |
| 06:04:33 | lostlogic | RotAtoR: also, when making patches, try to avoid having patches where half of the patch file is random formatting changes and not content... but thanks much :):) |
| 06:04:51 | RotAtoR | sorry, my editor automatically stips of trailing spaces |
| 06:04:57 | RotAtoR | *strips |
| 06:05:10 | lostlogic | What name would you like credited with the fix? |
| 06:05:11 | RotAtoR | *strips off (there!) |
| 06:05:30 | RotAtoR | "Adam Boot" |
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| 06:10:14 | BHSPitLappy | why isn't there a cvs bot? :P |
| 06:10:22 | lostlogic | for what purpose? |
| 06:10:40 | RotAtoR | there's the cvs mailing list... |
| 06:10:44 | BHSPitLappy | the same purpose of any versioning system bot |
| 06:12:58 | imphasing | The ipod rockbox port uses the FAT32 partition instead of creating a separate OS partition, thereby abandoning the need for re-partitioning your ipod? |
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| 06:13:34 | Midgey34 | lostlogic: what did you mention about sokoban? |
| 06:13:58 | lostlogic | Midgey34: I was just wondering if you were in the process of teaching it to save the current level on quit |
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| 06:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | imphasing: Basically, yes. If you wish to boot linux *as well* you'll need to create an ext2 partition for it. Otherwise, you don't need to create any new partitions. |
| 06:14:23 | imphasing | Interesting. |
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| 06:14:34 | Midgey34 | ah no I'm actually working on a blackjack plugin |
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| 06:15:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | imphasing: You do still need to modify the "hidden" partition for the purpose of installing the bootloader. But that's a one-time, very quick step, then updates just involve copying a file and a folder over to the device. |
| 06:16:27 | BHSPitLappy | bah, how long has he been in here :P |
| 06:16:32 | imphasing | So how did you find the entry point that the flash bootloader jumps into? You just looked at the ipodlinux bootloader I suppose. |
| 06:16:38 | imphasing | No sense in reinventing the wheel. |
| 06:17:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I imagine that's what they did, yes. |
| 06:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may even be possible to load the Retail OS from the Fat32 partition, and significantly shrink the size of the hidden one. |
| 06:17:53 | imphasing | Interesting, the bootloader is actually rockbox, with LCD, button and ATA drivers.. |
| 06:18:01 | imphasing | Ah, cool. |
| 06:18:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll load, but it locks up when you try to connect USB, or play any audio. =/ |
| 06:19:15 | BHSPitLappy | on what? |
| 06:19:18 | imphasing | Yeah, the USB issue is going to be an interesting project.. |
| 06:19:28 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
| 06:19:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: If you load RetailOS from the fat32 partition, instead of leaving it in the hidden one. |
| 06:19:49 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, I finally made the connection between messages :P |
| 06:19:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | imphasing: Right now, upon inserting the USB cable, it reboots into Disk Mode |
| 06:19:55 | imphasing | When someone figures it out though, both ipodlinux and rockbox will be able to benefit. |
| 06:20:02 | imphasing | Yeah, that's what ipodlinux does as well. |
| 06:21:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | With the convenience of that, it may be a while before someone really tackles USB. |
| 06:22:08 | imphasing | True. |
| 06:22:49 | Midgey34 | lostlogic, RoTaToR: does the new fix allow transparency on color targets still? |
| 06:23:19 | imphasing | It's handy that both devices (ipod and iriver) both have the same processor. It's possible the two projects could corroborate with each other, and be one big happy bundle of success. |
| 06:23:27 | lostlogic | Midgey34: in theory it should work right... I don't know much about it, I just wanted my player to stop crashing if I was running CVS :) |
| 06:23:33 | Midgey34 | alright |
| 06:23:35 | RotAtoR | Midgey34: yes, it doesn't interfere with that |
| 06:24:18 | RotAtoR | in theory, as lostlogic says, i don't know how it worked before |
| 06:24:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | imphasing: The irivers don't have the same processor. |
| 06:24:35 | imphasing | Paul_The_Nerd: Yeah, I realize that now. |
| 06:24:48 | imphasing | reading the rockbox site |
| 06:24:48 | imphasing | :D |
| 06:24:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | The h10 uses the PP5020, but work hasn't even really begun in that direction |
| 06:25:06 | imphasing | I was actually talking about the ARMTDMI |
| 06:25:15 | imphasing | not the physical chip. |
| 06:25:24 | imphasing | I think they both use that ARM.. |
| 06:25:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iFP7xx series use an ARM based processor though, so some of the non-driver related optimizations and stuff can carry over. |
| 06:25:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | The h1x0/3x0 are m68k |
| 06:25:48 | imphasing | Ah, the PNX0101 uses the ARM7TDMI |
| 06:25:53 | imphasing | ah, ok. |
| 06:28:41 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hmph, I can break it going forward in about the same way... |
| 06:29:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: So, it relates to refilling the buffer, or clearing it? |
| 06:29:42 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I think it happens when the buffer is being filled, and a manual skip would skip to a song that is not yet in the buffer. |
| 06:30:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 06:30:40 | lostlogic | but now I post my current work on sourceforge for comment and stuff, and go to sleep. |
| 06:30:43 | lostlogic | thanks for your help with it. |
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| 06:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Never a problem |
| 06:31:56 | Midgey34 | so lcd_clear_display() resets the background and forground colors to rockbox default? |
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| 06:32:45 | moda | multiband eq? |
| 06:33:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | That question lacks verbs. |
| 06:33:56 | Midgey34 | equalizers |
| 06:34:05 | moda | how does it work? menus and such?> |
| 06:34:29 | Midgey34 | I don't believe theres a way to use them yet, no GUI has been written |
| 06:34:48 | moda | wha? |
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| 06:35:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The math is there. |
| 06:35:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The code, etc. |
| 06:35:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there's no way to interact with it yet. |
| 06:35:27 | moda | so why hasnt anyone written one yet? |
| 06:35:32 | moda | it cant be that hard |
| 06:36:05 | Membrillo | Its averagely hard, but it still requires time |
| 06:36:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for one thing, the actual equalizer code was finished fairly recently |
| 06:36:18 | moda | yea |
| 06:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Another, the actual design of the interface has to be decided on. |
| 06:36:33 | Membrillo | even easy code takes time |
| 06:36:51 | moda | i reckon it should be like the winamp eq is like |
| 06:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, generally speaking, a lot of people are already working on something. |
| 06:38:24 | Membrillo | i don't think it has to be graphical |
| 06:38:26 | Midgey34 | I think the aim is to make it like the karma's |
| 06:38:34 | Membrillo | slidebars or anything |
| 06:39:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the karma's like? |
| 06:39:53 | Midgey34 | someone posted a link in yesterday's log I think |
| 06:40:45 | Midgey34 | http://www.dapreview.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=65&pos=33 |
| 06:41:58 | RotAtoR | a better is forward a few in the gallery: http://www.dapreview.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=65&pos=39 |
| 06:42:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'd be happy just having one field that lets me pick a band, and then another field that lets me adjust the value. |
| 06:42:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure it has to be graphical. |
| 06:42:58 | Membrillo | yeah, the graphical slidebars are just knick knacks. not really needed at the moment |
| 06:43:31 | Membrillo | do you think RB would end up have preset EQs? |
| 06:43:33 | Midgey34 | true, but rockbox code always use some pretty interfaces |
| 06:43:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the ability to save to, and load from, files would be welcome. |
| 06:43:50 | Membrillo | saving and loading is a necessity |
| 06:44:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, *maybe* once the TagDB is in, the ability to save EQ presets for a specific song, alongside rating and other things, but that's somewhat forward looking, and hopeful. |
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| 10:31:22 | fairway | hi |
| 10:31:29 | fairway | where can I get the firmware for ipod photo? |
| 10:33:31 | JdGordon | u prob need to compile it yourselkf |
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| 10:36:42 | fairway | i dont have a compiler |
| 10:36:47 | fairway | are there binaries? |
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| 10:38:22 | BHSPitLappy | no |
| 10:38:44 | BHSPitLappy | it's pretty easy to compile in cygwin, if you're on windows |
| 10:38:52 | fairway | where is the source? |
| 10:38:58 | fairway | how do I upload the binary? |
| 10:40:01 | JdGordon | you should probably wait untill its released more officially untill u play... |
| 10:40:23 | BHSPitLappy | indeed.. |
| 10:40:55 | ashridah | i agree, the ipod port is still highly experimental |
| 10:41:04 | fairway | just want to try it out |
| 10:41:06 | ashridah | and currently the ipod port won't play sound right now anyway |
| 10:41:13 | BHSPitLappy | wrong |
| 10:41:21 | BHSPitLappy | where were you today? |
| 10:41:25 | ashridah | ah, wait, i'm thinking of the EQ port |
| 10:41:29 | ashridah | sorry :) |
| 10:41:30 | JdGordon | ashridah: so? we had it going on the h300s for a week before sound.. ah, that was fun :D |
| 10:41:32 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 10:41:38 | fairway | if anyone has a binary of the current cvs please let me know |
| 10:42:55 | JdGordon | buy me an ipod and ill upload binaries for ya :p |
| 10:43:03 | fairway | i cant find the ipod binaries |
| 10:43:05 | fairway | darn |
| 10:43:27 | BHSPitLappy | fairway: you use windows, right? |
| 10:43:35 | JdGordon | oh crap.. Bger, i almost have the timetable viewer like u wanted |
| 10:43:54 | dwihno | One should not assume realloc to clear the newly allocated memory, no? |
| 10:44:10 | fairway | BHSPitLappy: yes |
| 10:44:35 | BHSPitLappy | www.cygwin.com |
| 10:44:48 | fairway | dont like to compile |
| 10:45:12 | fairway | thought someone did the job already |
| 10:45:13 | Rob- | is there documentation somewhere about how memory is managed in plugins? |
| 10:45:21 | ashridah | ... managed? heh |
| 10:45:35 | ashridah | fairway: pretty soon there'll be daily and bleeding edge builds |
| 10:45:54 | Rob- | I mean what memory is available etc. |
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| 10:46:02 | ashridah | but the tools required to boot rockbox aren't too well tested, and the process is possibly unit-bricking |
| 10:46:16 | Bger | JdGordon :)) |
| 10:46:16 | ashridah | Rob-: there probably is, inside the wiki |
| 10:46:31 | fairway | I want it now :) |
| 10:46:36 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: what unit? |
| 10:46:56 | ashridah | for the ipod |
| 10:47:00 | BHSPitLappy | fairway: very nice thinking |
| 10:47:05 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: can't brick those :D |
| 10:47:09 | ashridah | fairway: well, there's probably information about it in the wiki |
| 10:47:18 | fairway | Ill echeck |
| 10:47:36 | ashridah | and there may well already be binaries in the daily build page |
| 10:48:04 | Bger | Rob- what about the memory management in plugins ? |
| 10:48:36 | Bger | ashridah the iPod port is maybe the one of the few rb ports that just CAN NOT brick the unite |
| 10:48:38 | Bger | -e |
| 10:48:48 | fairway | I need flac playing on ipod |
| 10:48:50 | fairway | then I am happy |
| 10:48:59 | ashridah | Bger: uh, almost all of the archos units boot from the hd already |
| 10:48:59 | JdGordon | Bger: cept, 1 major bug which i cant figure out.. buit im working on it |
| 10:49:03 | amiconn | Bger: Not 'few' |
| 10:49:03 | ashridah | i think they kinda count too ;) |
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| 10:49:18 | Bger | amiconn, okay, all archoses |
| 10:49:19 | amiconn | As long as you don't flash, you simply can't break an archos |
| 10:49:34 | Bger | amiconn okay, but u can't flash iPods for now :) |
| 10:49:41 | ashridah | but that said, if you replace the boot image on the ipod, can you still get into usb mode to replace it? |
| 10:49:46 | BHSPitLappy | I can use a hammer without flashing. |
| 10:49:48 | Bger | ashridah yep |
| 10:50:03 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: you could format the hdd if you want |
| 10:50:13 | BHSPitLappy | take it out |
| 10:50:24 | BHSPitLappy | soak it in brine |
| 10:50:32 | BHSPitLappy | (just don't put it back in) |
| 10:50:34 | amiconn | Even with flashing you can recover most archoses with relatively simple hw mod |
| 10:50:36 | Bger | ashridah there is a flash USB mode |
| 10:50:43 | ashridah | aah |
| 10:50:50 | JdGordon | does the ipod port use the stupid retarted file obfuscating filesystem like the ipod fw? |
| 10:51:03 | BHSPitLappy | huh? |
| 10:51:10 | JdGordon | random file names |
| 10:51:13 | BHSPitLappy | the filesystem is FAT32 |
| 10:51:34 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: there's no itunesdb parsing, so... I guess the answer to your question is no |
| 10:51:46 | ashridah | so, who's going to modify the daily build page to add ipod as a daily build link? |
| 10:51:58 | JdGordon | that will make a few ppl i know happy |
| 10:51:59 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: it isn't ready yet, calm down |
| 10:52:23 | JdGordon | Bger: http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/tt.bmp |
| 10:52:29 | ashridah | neither was the H300. hell, the H1xx did far less when i first installed rockbox :) |
| 10:52:39 | BHSPitLappy | and modifying the build page doesn't make the builds happen :) |
| 10:52:55 | fairway | BHSPitLappy: is this on the ipod? |
| 10:52:57 | BHSPitLappy | let the ipod devs worry about deciding when it's ready |
| 10:53:07 | Bger | JdGordon good :) |
| 10:53:07 | BHSPitLappy | fairway: what |
| 10:53:12 | fairway | the bmp |
| 10:53:14 | ashridah | BHSPitLappy: the builds are happening, they're in the table |
| 10:53:23 | BHSPitLappy | hmm?? |
| 10:53:32 | BHSPitLappy | starting when? |
| 10:53:33 | fairway | oops |
| 10:53:34 | fairway | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/tt.bmp |
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| 10:53:43 | JdGordon | thats a screeny of a plugin im working on |
| 10:54:06 | Bger | JdGordon is the time on fixed intervals ? |
| 10:54:11 | JdGordon | no |
| 10:54:17 | JdGordon | all loaded from the file |
| 10:54:37 | JdGordon | it wont even complain if u have 9.15 twice... it will show both |
| 10:54:46 | Bger | :) |
| 10:54:54 | Bger | this is probably a feature:) |
| 10:55:40 | philpem | how easy is it to port rockbox to new hardware? i'm designing a coldfire-based audio player (Freescale SCF5250AG CPU, samsung TFT-LCD, not sure which codec yet) and i'd like to port rockbox to it.. when i eventually build it that is :) |
| 10:56:11 | BHSPitLappy | philpem: you commercial? |
| 10:56:14 | LinusN | it's pretty easy to port |
| 10:56:35 | philpem | BHSPitLappy: nope, homebrewer :) |
| 10:56:40 | BHSPitLappy | ah... |
| 10:56:46 | amiconn | BHSPitLappy, ashridah: You can even download iPod bleeding edge builds if you know how to compose the link :) |
| 10:56:49 | LinusN | the hard part of each rockbox port has been the reverse engineering, apart from the software codec optimizing |
| 10:57:06 | BHSPitLappy | amiconn: how long have they been in production? |
| 10:57:08 | philpem | just need to decide on a codec, talk the manufacturer into selling me a few, then work out how much RAM I need and how fast the CPU needs to run |
| 10:57:19 | * | fairway would like to test the new rockboot.bin for the ipod photo |
| 10:57:24 | ashridah | amiconn: that's what i suspected, which is why i suggested modifying the page |
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| 10:57:36 | philpem | like i said - homebrew, so i'll have all the design documentation and i'd be more than happy to open-source the design (once it's stable that is) :) |
| 10:58:10 | fairway | ah found it |
| 10:59:20 | philpem | the big thing i'm interested in is recording. sure i'd like to play ogg files off a HDD on my way to university (the train ride is long and boring), but being able to record lectures with it would be real nice. |
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| 10:59:51 | BHSPitLappy | philpem: get an ipod, cheapskate :D |
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| 11:00:04 | JdGordon | no, get an iriver.. built in mic |
| 11:00:08 | philpem | BHSPitLappy: "but it's more fun to build it!" |
| 11:00:32 | philpem | JdGordon: "starving student with no spare cash" |
| 11:00:33 | BHSPitLappy | meh. free will |
| 11:00:51 | * | JdGordon knows what that feels like |
| 11:00:54 | ashridah | philpem: you can't possibly tell me it'll cost you LESS to build a unit from scratch :) |
| 11:01:04 | * | ashridah has an idea of how expensive development is |
| 11:01:25 | Rob- | how much memory is available within a plugin? |
| 11:01:38 | philpem | ashridah: in terms of hardware it will, plus i enjoy programming :) |
| 11:01:44 | BHSPitLappy | philpem: make it from an old-school gameboy, that would rock! |
| 11:01:45 | Bger | Rob- it depends on the target |
| 11:02:04 | Rob- | sorry - h300 |
| 11:02:04 | ashridah | you do realise the hard drive would cost you more than a retail ipod, right? |
| 11:02:11 | Bger | including the code itself: archos - 32kb, iriver - 512kb ... |
| 11:02:15 | philpem | i've got a box full of 2.5" laptop hard drives |
| 11:02:15 | ashridah | let alone the LCD and stuff |
| 11:02:18 | philpem | and the lcd |
| 11:02:31 | ashridah | aah |
| 11:02:34 | Bger | but if you want more memory, u can take the audio buffer |
| 11:02:40 | Bger | which is ~ 29MB on iriver |
| 11:02:42 | BHSPitLappy | philpem: you don't sound like a lot of starving college students i know... |
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| 11:02:52 | Bger | (of course, this will stop the music0 |
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| 11:03:16 | Rob- | ok, thanks. |
| 11:03:19 | philpem | just upgraded my laptop so I've got a 10gig travelstar spare, and someone gave me a samsung E800 that met an untimely end at the wheels of his car. the lcd was fine, so i desoldered it :) |
| 11:04:04 | Bger | philpem ah :) |
| 11:04:05 | philpem | also got a few lithium-ion packs lying around that i can use for power. 4 amp-hours of juice in a 1" by 3" lump :) |
| 11:04:56 | philpem | freescale gave me some cpu chips, and i'm working on talking the local wolfson disti into selling me two or three codecs. that just leaves RAM and flash, which should run about £20, and a BDM pod (another £15 if that) |
| 11:06:05 | philpem | the hardest part is going to be getting the damned thing to boot from cold. once it's got a bootloader flashed in, uploading new firmware should just be a case of copying a new fwfile onto the hard drive |
| 11:06:40 | philpem | microchip have released a rather nice "usb storage with a PIC and a compactflash card" appnote - I've got the picmicro development gear, so that's even easier to deal with |
| 11:07:01 | BHSPitLappy | the only challenge i can see is a snazzy case |
| 11:07:23 | philpem | BHSPitLappy: plenty of bricked ipods on ebay <grin> |
| 11:07:46 | philpem | "oh noes! i dropped my ipod and now it is teh broken! whatever will i do - i know! ebay!" |
| 11:08:02 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 11:08:10 | BHSPitLappy | are they for teh cheap? |
| 11:08:16 | philpem | not sure. |
| 11:08:37 | philpem | but in the worst case, i should be able to get one of those black teko "soapbox" cases for not very much money. |
| 11:08:56 | aliask | from what i've seen, bricked players aren't as cheap as you might think. |
| 11:09:50 | philpem | even so, plastic cases aren't expensive. i don't care if it looks like it's been dragged through a hedge backwards - if it plays oggs and records to HD without DRM, it's fine. |
| 11:10:50 | philpem | my minidisc won't even let me copy recordings off digitally. ergo, it gets replaced. |
| 11:10:57 | Bger | BHSPitLappy in my eyes the biggest problems are 1) to make the design 2) to solder it 3) to write the bootloader |
| 11:11:37 | ashridah | well. as far as booting it, rockbox *does* have a bootloader in CVS, that's used with the m68k cpus in the iriver platform. you might be able to draw on that, replace the assembly, and implant that into an eeprom for a basic bootloader. |
| 11:11:52 | * | philpem brb... |
| 11:11:59 | ashridah | if you've got an eeprom flasher handy, that'd be an excellent starting point, then just load the real player from the hd |
| 11:12:00 | BHSPitLappy | Bger: why aim that message at me? |
| 11:12:24 | ashridah | BHSPitLappy: because your view of the biggest problem is a snazzy case |
| 11:12:32 | Bger | BHSPitLappy because u said "the only challenge i see is a snazzy case" |
| 11:12:33 | Bger | yep |
| 11:12:39 | ashridah | i personally think he's going to go through a crapload of test PCB's :) |
| 11:12:42 | BHSPitLappy | ugh |
| 11:12:44 | BHSPitLappy | people. |
| 11:12:47 | ashridah | hope he's getting them for free |
| 11:12:48 | fairway | I need ipod_fw executable |
| 11:12:52 | fairway | does anyone have it? |
| 11:13:04 | ashridah | and components like IDE controllers, I2C bits, etc |
| 11:13:57 | LinusN | amiconn: u there? |
| 11:15:11 | amiconn | Yes, for some minutes |
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| 11:27:01 | philpem | ashridah: IDE controller is built into the coldfire. i've also developed my skills in "bodge wiring" pcbs - basically cutting tracks and soldering wires on to work around bugs :) |
| 11:27:36 | JdGordon | philpem: dont let these guys discourage u.. good luck with it |
| 11:27:50 | ashridah | aah. you might not even have to replace much of the assembler. |
| 11:28:05 | LinusN | amiconn: the reason i didn't spend time on optimizing lcd_bitmap_transparent is that you told me you would work on it |
| 11:28:07 | ashridah | philpem: haha. i know that technique well |
| 11:28:30 | LinusN | so i didn't want to waste time on optimizing code that you would reqrite anyway |
| 11:28:34 | LinusN | rewrite |
| 11:28:34 | * | ashridah had to fix many a screwed up track from his teammates overheating them back in the day |
| 11:28:52 | philpem | JdGordon: heh, thanks :) |
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| 11:30:35 | philpem | like i said, the plan of action is: 1) get some codecs, 2) build a bdm pod, 3) build a quick-n-simple test board, 4) make sure BDM and IDE work on the test board (so i can reflash the firmware if I brick it 8^) ), 5) get the audio amps working, 6) get a "final" board made, 7) port rockbox |
| 11:31:28 | philpem | i do not enjoy desoldering tssops, plonking them in my flashwriter then resoldering them. if the coldfire can do it over BDM, then so be it. learning GDB is going to be "fun" though :) |
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| 11:32:31 | ashridah | wait, can't you use an external flash chip, and build your first models using a socket? |
| 11:32:57 | ashridah | won't look pretty, but hell, since when was development pcb's neat? |
| 11:32:58 | amiconn | LinusN: I understand why you usedthe simple compare-and-move, but I don't understand why you used array subscription instead of pointers. |
| 11:33:00 | amiconn | Anyway, bbl |
| 11:33:03 | | Part amiconn |
| 11:33:03 | ashridah | s/was/were/ |
| 11:33:17 | linuxstb_ | Any Windows users able to compile a binary of tools/ipod_fw.c ? I tried cross-compiling it from Linux, but I'm missing getopt.c |
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| 11:33:45 | BHSPitLappy | I believe I have, yes |
| 11:33:46 | philpem | ashridah: yeah, i suppose i could, but i'd still need an adapter for my eprom programmer |
| 11:34:01 | philpem | and tssop sockets are really expensive |
| 11:34:03 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Does your binary require cygwin1.dll ? |
| 11:34:05 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: I also have a bunch of copies that come with various iPL installers |
| 11:34:12 | amiconn_ | linuxstb: later, if no-one else does it before |
| 11:34:14 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: don't think so... |
| 11:35:16 | BHSPitLappy | standalone 22kb exe |
| 11:35:26 | linuxstb | Does that include the latest 5g support? |
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| 11:36:21 | BHSPitLappy | ah, I actually have built my own, duh |
| 11:36:26 | BHSPitLappy | and yes, it's latest cvs |
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| 11:36:30 | BHSPitLappy | (iPL cvs) |
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| 11:38:19 | linuxstb | Thanks - is there any way you can check if it needs the cygwin dll? |
| 11:38:26 | linuxstb | Did you compile it in cygwin? |
| 11:38:43 | BHSPitLappy | ye |
| 11:38:45 | BHSPitLappy | +s |
| 11:39:01 | BHSPitLappy | wouldn't it have to have the dll in the dir? because it's not |
| 11:39:30 | fairway | bhs why not send it |
| 11:39:36 | BHSPitLappy | what? |
| 11:39:55 | fairway | ipod_fw.exe |
| 11:41:00 | BHSPitLappy | ah.. linuxstb ... it needs it :( |
| 11:41:24 | fairway | so i could try rockbox |
| 11:41:36 | BHSPitLappy | I just said it won't work for you |
| 11:41:41 | fairway | k |
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| 11:42:47 | linuxstb | fairway: Which ipod do you have? |
| 11:43:14 | fairway | 4g photo |
| 11:44:19 | needleboy | LinusN: how's it going? |
| 11:44:46 | fairway | i think most people got 4g |
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| 11:46:21 | linuxstb | It's OK, I've managed to cross-compile ipod_fw. |
| 11:46:26 | needleboy | what's the status with the transparency issue? |
| 11:46:50 | linuxstb | I haven't tested it, but it's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipod_fw.exe |
| 11:46:55 | fairway | thanks |
| 11:46:58 | linuxstb | fairway: Please let me know if it works. |
| 11:47:04 | fairway | oops |
| 11:47:09 | linuxstb | If it does, I'll upload it to the wiki. |
| 11:47:12 | fairway | Internal Server Error |
| 11:47:26 | fairway | link doesnt work for me |
| 11:47:31 | linuxstb | Ah yes, my server doesn't like exe files.... |
| 11:47:42 | fairway | just zip |
| 11:48:07 | linuxstb | Yes - it's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipod_fw.zip |
| 11:48:18 | LinusN | needleboy: i just committed a fix for tonight's problems |
| 11:48:34 | LinusN | the previous fix wasn't correct |
| 11:48:44 | fairway | yes |
| 11:48:45 | fairway | seems to work |
| 11:48:49 | LinusN | my next issue will be changing colors |
| 11:48:52 | needleboy | cool, so it should be working now? |
| 11:48:59 | needleboy | changing colors where? |
| 11:49:02 | fairway | I will compile it now |
| 11:49:11 | LinusN | like the optimized build does |
| 11:49:19 | needleboy | oh, for menus etc? |
| 11:49:19 | LinusN | background/foreground etc |
| 11:49:23 | needleboy | nice... |
| 11:49:42 | needleboy | i can send you a working patch if you need it |
| 11:49:44 | LinusN | i haven't looked at the current version of the patch, but last time i looked it was horrible |
| 11:49:48 | needleboy | the one on sourceforge is buggy |
| 11:49:55 | needleboy | yeah, it is |
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| 11:50:07 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:50:10 | Jungti1234 | needleboy |
| 11:50:17 | needleboy | i've done some changes, and it patches nicely, but probably has lots of junk you'd want to get rid off... |
| 11:50:20 | needleboy | hey jungti |
| 11:50:24 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 11:50:27 | LinusN | i want a generic system for color selection |
| 11:50:41 | LinusN | and i don't want just foreground/background |
| 11:50:46 | needleboy | with user selectable values for RGB? |
| 11:51:01 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:51:07 | needleboy | how about just using the WPS code to rebuild the whole browsing? |
| 11:51:20 | needleboy | change it to bitmap powered... |
| 11:51:21 | LinusN | slow and bloated |
| 11:51:34 | needleboy | yeah, that's what most people said when it was mentioned... |
| 11:51:42 | Jungti1234 | needleboy, korean language file is works fine? |
| 11:51:52 | needleboy | we can use Paprica's statusbar patch might be usefull... |
| 11:51:53 | JdGordon | hey Jungti1234 |
| 11:51:59 | Jungti1234 | hi JdGordon |
| 11:52:03 | needleboy | jungti, i wouldn't know... don't know korean ;) |
| 11:52:11 | Jungti1234 | oh..:( |
| 11:52:13 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/tt.bmp |
| 11:52:13 | needleboy | but it's in... |
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| 11:52:37 | LinusN | however, i want a nicer look for the gui, by having customized bitmaps in the status bar and maybe a nice beveled look on the scroll bars etc |
| 11:52:51 | needleboy | yeah, that's what Paprica's been working on... |
| 11:52:52 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon, error |
| 11:53:09 | JdGordon | ?? works fine here.. |
| 11:53:11 | Jungti1234 | GdGordon: Access forbidden!" |
| 11:53:14 | Jungti1234 | Jd |
| 11:53:14 | needleboy | he's got the code ready, but had some bugs with.. guess what, the color changer :) |
| 11:53:22 | LinusN | i saw the custom statusbar patch, but i didn't really like it |
| 11:53:32 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 11:53:43 | Jungti1234 | wow nice JdGordon |
| 11:53:49 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 11:53:52 | needleboy | Jd, are you making a new calendar? |
| 11:53:59 | Jungti1234 | timetable |
| 11:54:00 | JdGordon | got some minor (actually major) bugs to fix |
| 11:54:06 | LinusN | needleboy: has paprica been working on a gui overhaul? |
| 11:54:13 | needleboy | meaning? |
| 11:55:02 | needleboy | LinusN: GUI Overhaul? |
| 11:55:09 | BHSPitLappy | changing everything |
| 11:55:13 | needleboy | lol |
| 11:55:18 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 11:55:23 | needleboy | hmmm... as far as i know, only the status bar |
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| 11:55:33 | LinusN | ok |
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| 11:55:42 | Jungti1234 | bye I will come after short time |
| 11:55:47 | needleboy | but we haven't talked too much in the last few days, so there might be something new going on... |
| 11:55:55 | needleboy | cya jungti |
| 11:55:57 | Jungti1234 | needleboy |
| 11:56:01 | needleboy | yeah |
| 11:56:25 | Jungti1234 | where do you live? |
| 11:56:32 | fairway | C:\Download\ipodpatcher-0.2>ipod_fw -g photo -o rockboot.bin -i bootpartition.bi |
| 11:56:32 | fairway | n bootloader-color.bin |
| 11:56:32 | fairway | fread failed: No error |
| 11:56:45 | needleboy | Jungti1234: Tel Aviv, Israel |
| 11:56:54 | Jungti1234 | Israel.. |
| 11:57:04 | needleboy | why? |
| 11:57:11 | Jungti1234 | :D nothing |
| 11:57:27 | Jungti1234 | see ya |
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| 11:57:35 | JdGordon | he's coming to hunt you down |
| 11:58:02 | needleboy | lol |
| 11:58:15 | needleboy | he can bring a new H340 on the way... |
| 11:58:19 | needleboy | or a few PMPs |
| 11:58:23 | fairway | i get this error |
| 11:58:27 | fairway | LinusN |
| 11:58:28 | fairway | [ERR] File is too large for firmware partition, aborting. |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:40 | fairway | got an idea LinusN? |
| 12:01:13 | linuxstb | fairway: Can you post the output from typing "ipodpatcher 1" (or whatever your ipod's number is) ? |
| 12:01:51 | linuxstb | fairway: No, I've found your error. |
| 12:01:59 | fairway | yes? |
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| 12:02:07 | linuxstb | You need to extract "apple_os.bin" from bootpartition.bin and use that with ipod_fw |
| 12:02:18 | fairway | oh |
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| 12:02:26 | fairway | i see |
| 12:02:30 | linuxstb | That should be in the instructions. |
| 12:04:34 | * | BHSPitLappy nite nite |
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| 12:04:52 | fairway | here we go |
| 12:05:03 | fairway | it is |
| 12:05:39 | fairway | the image is not very recent |
| 12:05:40 | fairway | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 12:05:42 | fairway | here |
| 12:05:56 | linuxstb | Which image? |
| 12:07:25 | needleboy | LinusN: is this whole GUI revolution going to be for all targets? or just color LCDs? |
| 12:07:28 | fairway | the bootloader |
| 12:09:24 | fairway | Rockbox error -1 |
| 12:09:29 | fairway | Loading original firmware |
| 12:13:15 | needleboy | afk 10 minutes |
| 12:13:21 | fairway | linuxstb: you may have a more recent bootloader-color.bin ? |
| 12:13:44 | Membrillo | needleboy would you mind making a note next to the link on the optimized announcement that my downloader doesnt work with the optimized builds atm. or just remove the link for now? |
| 12:13:53 | linuxstb | No - the bootloader-color.bin hasn't changed for a few weeks. It's unlikely to change in the near future either. |
| 12:14:02 | fairway | i see |
| 12:14:08 | fairway | all i get is |
| 12:14:12 | linuxstb | It's Rockbox itself which you will need to keep updating - you can forget the bootloader. |
| 12:14:13 | fairway | rockbox error -1 |
| 12:14:29 | linuxstb | That's probably because you haven't installed Rockbox itself. |
| 12:14:38 | linuxstb | Does it start the Apple firmware? |
| 12:14:43 | fairway | yes |
| 12:14:44 | fairway | where is rockbox itself? |
| 12:14:59 | fairway | ok i installed only the loader |
| 12:15:53 | linuxstb | I don't think there are any binaries for Rockbox itself yet. |
| 12:15:59 | fairway | hmm k |
| 12:17:05 | ashridah | linuxstb: they are, they're just not linked on daily.shtml yet |
| 12:17:11 | ashridah | you could probably add them |
| 12:17:18 | fairway | ashridah: EHRE? |
| 12:17:20 | ashridah | they'll be in the same form as the others, afaik |
| 12:17:21 | fairway | where |
| 12:18:18 | fairway | havent see them |
| 12:19:08 | fairway | http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-player/rockbox.zip |
| 12:19:26 | fairway | hm |
| 12:20:06 | ashridah | fairway: unfortunately, i don't know the exact url |
| 12:21:14 | ashridah | but yeah it'll look like that, but replace "player" with something i don't know |
| 12:21:41 | ashridah | it's not "ipod", that's for sure :) |
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| 12:22:30 | linuxstb | ashridah: I think I tried that a while ago, and it didn't work. Are you just assuming they are there, or do you know for sure? |
| 12:22:41 | ashridah | amiconn_: claimed they were |
| 12:22:49 | ashridah | they're the result of the build process that writes the table |
| 12:23:13 | linuxstb | I just assumed they would be deleted - like the simulators which aren't available for download. |
| 12:23:26 | ashridah | fairway: what model is your player? a nano or what? |
| 12:23:51 | fairway | ashridah: a photo |
| 12:24:25 | ashridah | linuxstb: what's the platform name for the photo? i don't have a copy of the source tree handy |
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| 12:24:40 | fairway | photo i think |
| 12:24:42 | ashridah | actually, nevermind |
| 12:24:48 | ashridah | fairway: it isn't. |
| 12:24:58 | fairway | ah |
| 12:25:04 | midkay | color? |
| 12:25:05 | fairway | it's a 4g |
| 12:25:09 | fairway | yes color |
| 12:25:11 | ashridah | midkay: ipodcolor, yeah |
| 12:25:14 | ashridah | fairway: http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-ipodcolor/rockbox.zip |
| 12:25:22 | ashridah | download that, and extract it into the root of the player. |
| 12:25:31 | fairway | ok |
| 12:25:37 | ashridah | so you end up with a .rockbox directory with content, and the firmware file |
| 12:25:42 | midkay | ashridah, hm, i hope you're here tomorrow to get me through this on my ipod video.. :) |
| 12:25:58 | ashridah | midkay: i doubt that'd be necessary, someone'll have written docs for the wiki by then |
| 12:26:03 | * | ashridah looks at fairway |
| 12:26:07 | midkay | hahaha |
| 12:27:01 | fairway | yes works now |
| 12:28:31 | ashridah | linuxstb: you want to check out the rockbox website from CVS and update daily.shtml to add the daily build and bleeding edge build links? :) |
| 12:28:47 | fairway | cool |
| 12:28:52 | fairway | sound is workiing |
| 12:28:53 | fairway | hh |
| 12:29:19 | ashridah | cool |
| 12:29:55 | linuxstb | fairway: Can you do a quick check for me. When you reboot your ipod, the bootloader should display a number next to "Ipod version:" - either 0x60004 or 0x60000. Can you tell me which your ipod is? |
| 12:31:11 | linuxstb | ashridah: I'll leave the html changes to Bagder. I'm writing an installation guide now, so I'll add the direct links there to the latest bleeding edge builds. |
| 12:31:20 | fairway | can't see it |
| 12:31:21 | linuxstb | I'm assuming the link you posted is for the bleeding edge? |
| 12:31:22 | fairway | goes too fast |
| 12:31:27 | ashridah | linuxstb: yes |
| 12:31:40 | ashridah | daily builds have datestamps in the filenames |
| 12:31:50 | linuxstb | fairway: OK, it doesn't matter. Let me know if you manage to spot it though. |
| 12:31:58 | ashridah | and i doubt Bagder would mind if you modified the website |
| 12:32:39 | Bagder | you want ipod bleeding edge links? |
| 12:32:41 | fairway | yes |
| 12:32:41 | fairway | WOW |
| 12:32:45 | fairway | flac is playing |
| 12:32:45 | fairway | heh |
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| 12:34:00 | * | ashridah hands fairway the cookie of success |
| 12:34:08 | fairway | this is awesome |
| 12:34:12 | fairway | now I go to eat ;-) |
| 12:34:29 | ashridah | Bagder: sounds like they're warranted |
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| 12:35:23 | Bagder | added |
| 12:36:49 | ashridah | woot |
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| 12:45:52 | JdGordon | grr.... damn i hate logic errors... stupid bloody things... 2nd worst invention of all time |
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| 12:48:37 | aliask | JdGordon: The worst being? |
| 12:48:47 | needleboy | Membrillo: i removed the link. let me know when it's up again. |
| 12:50:51 | linuxstb | I've now written (quickly) some installation instructions for the ipod. Can any Windows users who have installed Rockbox on their iPod please have a look at them and either fix any mistakes (or make improvements) themselves or let me know about them? |
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| 12:54:34 | Membrillo | needleboy: thanks a bunch |
| 12:55:24 | needleboy | sure thing. why doesn't it work? |
| 12:56:58 | JdGordon | aliask: gravity... bloody stupid thing :p |
| 12:57:20 | aliask | :) |
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| 12:58:23 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the restriction on c++ style comments, is that just some1 being anal? or is there a reason to the madness? |
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| 12:59:55 | LinusN | JdGordon: it is mostly us being anal |
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| 13:01:16 | LinusN | plus, c++ comments have their drawbacks, especially if you put them in #defines |
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| 13:01:57 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:02:16 | needleboy | can't you create some batch job to scan the sources for comments and remove them automatically upon CVS commit? |
| 13:02:27 | JdGordon | u need comments in the code |
| 13:02:44 | JdGordon | ud be shot on the spot for submitting code with 0 comments |
| 13:03:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:04:27 | Membrillo | needleboy: i dont know. for some reason my app just wont download from that new url. i dont know wether its the .nl extension or what. it beats the hell out of me. im trying to fix it though |
| 13:04:32 | ashridah | JdGordon: he means removing c++ style ones, and you'd want to convert them, not remove them |
| 13:05:14 | JdGordon | Membrillo: have u added the thing so you can choose which files to not replace from the zip? |
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| 13:05:59 | needleboy | Membrillo: the server it's on is linux, so the whole address is case sensitive... |
| 13:06:31 | needleboy | you need to use the same url as on my download page, just right click the link and "copy shortcut" |
| 13:06:38 | needleboy | then paste it in your code... |
| 13:07:52 | Membrillo | needleboy: I have done... it still won't work |
| 13:08:16 | Membrillo | it is a problem with finding the file though. what else could trigger it? |
| 13:08:37 | needleboy | hmmm |
| 13:08:40 | needleboy | dunno |
| 13:08:45 | Membrillo | http://paulgeluid.nl/apps/rockbox/RockBoxH300Optimized.zip |
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| 13:08:50 | Membrillo | thats what is in the code |
| 13:09:33 | needleboy | yup, iw works... |
| 13:09:34 | needleboy | it |
| 13:09:38 | needleboy | i have no idea... |
| 13:10:08 | Membrillo | its very peculiar |
| 13:10:23 | needleboy | do you even contact the server? |
| 13:10:27 | needleboy | is it a 404? |
| 13:10:50 | Membrillo | ive tried uploading it in various places and changing the url and it works. so its not my coding doing strange things |
| 13:11:09 | needleboy | so it's only with the specific server??? |
| 13:11:16 | needleboy | that's damn strange... |
| 13:11:17 | Membrillo | yep |
| 13:11:20 | JdGordon | ummm.... my h300 just finished the playlist, and instead of going back to the file list like it should, it just crashed??? |
| 13:11:34 | Membrillo | its reeeally strange |
| 13:12:00 | Membrillo | what is another file i can access on that server? |
| 13:12:05 | Membrillo | ill try downloading that |
| 13:12:21 | needleboy | http://paulgeluid.nl/apps/rockbox/RockBoxH300Optimized-Source.zip |
| 13:12:33 | needleboy | or http://paulgeluid.nl/apps/rockbox/scrsh1.JPG |
| 13:13:14 | Membrillo | i wont do the picture. that requires a whole different download method. but ill try the source |
| 13:13:41 | LinusN | needleboy: does the optimized build have wps color settings or just the global bg/fg settings? |
| 13:14:00 | needleboy | just global |
| 13:14:16 | needleboy | we thought about that, but no one knew how to implement |
| 13:14:39 | Membrillo | needleboy: nope cant connect |
| 13:15:57 | JdGordon | Membrillo: have u got your http headers correct? any idea what error the server is returning? |
| 13:17:23 | Membrillo | what do you mean by the http headers being correct? nope, i cant get a specific error. just that the file at that URL has a filesize of 0 (it doesnt exist\cant be found or connected to) |
| 13:18:11 | needleboy | let me put a small name file there... hold on |
| 13:19:08 | needleboy | try this: http://paulgeluid.nl/apps/rockbox/abc.zip |
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| 13:19:53 | Membrillo | nope |
| 13:19:57 | Membrillo | still cant connect |
| 13:20:01 | needleboy | woah... |
| 13:20:13 | needleboy | try talking to PaulHeu on MR |
| 13:20:15 | Membrillo | so very strange |
| 13:20:17 | needleboy | it's his server... |
| 13:20:20 | Membrillo | yeah |
| 13:20:25 | needleboy | sorry... |
| 13:20:28 | Membrillo | do you have any webspace needleboy? |
| 13:20:42 | Membrillo | would you mind uploading it there with the original filename, just to make sure it works |
| 13:20:57 | needleboy | i do, but i had to move to a better server, as i wasn't expecting bandwidth usage of +15GB a month |
| 13:21:49 | Membrillo | haha +15gb? wow thats craxy |
| 13:22:09 | Membrillo | well could you just upload there for me quickly? i wont use 15 gb of bandwidth on my own :P |
| 13:22:19 | needleboy | lol |
| 13:22:31 | needleboy | sure... 5 minutes |
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| 13:22:49 | Membrillo | no probs |
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| 13:22:58 | Membrillo | thanks a bunch |
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| 13:23:09 | needleboy | try this first: needleboy.net/files/abc.zip">http://needleboy.net/files/abc.zip |
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| 13:23:53 | Membrillo | well that worked |
| 13:24:15 | Membrillo | i think |
| 13:24:19 | Membrillo | just a sec, ill test again |
| 13:25:01 | Membrillo | yep |
| 13:25:03 | Membrillo | that worked |
| 13:25:25 | Membrillo | alright well thats one step to tracking down the problem. im obviously not getting authorization to the server or something |
| 13:25:31 | needleboy | maybe you have the paulgeluid address in your .hosts file?? |
| 13:25:56 | Membrillo | what do you mean |
| 13:27:23 | needleboy | c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\ |
| 13:27:33 | needleboy | there's a file called hosts. |
| 13:27:44 | needleboy | try looking there if you have anything weird |
| 13:28:19 | needleboy | the only entry you should have is this: |
| 13:28:19 | needleboy | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 13:29:05 | Membrillo | yep |
| 13:29:07 | Membrillo | thats the only one |
| 13:29:31 | needleboy | dunno then... |
| 13:30:24 | JdGordon | LinusN: any chance of a kdb_input that only allows numbers? |
| 13:30:38 | Membrillo | it beats me... |
| 13:30:51 | LinusN | JdGordon: for what? |
| 13:31:09 | needleboy | talk to paul, maybe he's got some weird DNS forwarding or something |
| 13:31:18 | JdGordon | plugins... coz sometimes only numbers can be allowed, and its a pain to navigate the kb |
| 13:32:14 | Membrillo | hmmm, unfortunately visual basic won't allow anything fancy. its not very customisable. so unless its a very simple problem i might be stuck |
| 13:32:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: in which case is only numbers allowed? |
| 13:33:34 | JdGordon | i dunno.. dw. |
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| 13:48:08 | Bger | JdGordon better a new widget ... |
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| 14:08:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you have an ipod_fw.exe that works w/o cygwin1.dll now? |
| 14:09:35 | linuxstb | Yes thanks - I managed to cross-compile one myself. |
| 14:13:24 | amiconn | On cygwin, -mno-cygwin creates such binaries |
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| 14:22:10 | Membrillo | My brother asked me today "im thinking of buying an MP3 player, what do you think of the creatives?" what should i tell him from your oppinions |
| 14:22:27 | Membrillo | as experienced DAP users :P |
| 14:22:32 | Bagder | tell him there's no rockbox port in sight ;-) |
| 14:22:33 | needleboy | the Zen series is nice |
| 14:22:36 | needleboy | i like them |
| 14:22:43 | needleboy | but yeah... |
| 14:22:50 | needleboy | no rockbox |
| 14:22:58 | needleboy | tell him to find an H340 ;) |
| 14:22:59 | Rob2222_ | no MP3 player without rocking box |
| 14:23:02 | Rob2222_ | yeah |
| 14:23:45 | Membrillo | yeah, he doesnt know what rockbox is :p Hes techy enough but i think he just wants it to do its thing. he's too lazy to do fancy things with his player |
| 14:24:17 | needleboy | i was too lazy to even skin the iriver firmware in the beginins |
| 14:24:20 | needleboy | begining |
| 14:24:24 | needleboy | look at me now :) |
| 14:24:24 | Paprica | hi |
| 14:24:28 | needleboy | hey ben |
| 14:24:38 | Paprica | =] |
| 14:24:46 | Paprica | whats up? |
| 14:24:54 | Membrillo | haha yeah. i dont think he likes the look of my H300 though. not that hes used it much. i think he wants something physically smaller |
| 14:25:26 | Membrillo | i suggested the Vision:M and he said "that looks great! whats the price." |
| 14:25:44 | needleboy | how about an ipod then? |
| 14:25:47 | needleboy | ahhhhhaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:25:53 | needleboy | can't believe i just said that... |
| 14:25:56 | needleboy | :) |
| 14:26:24 | Membrillo | haha no. our family hasnt had good experiences with ipods. |
| 14:26:38 | needleboy | archos gmini |
| 14:26:48 | Bagder | the X5 then perhaps |
| 14:26:52 | needleboy | next best choise as far as i see |
| 14:26:54 | Bagder | also has a good chance of a port |
| 14:26:57 | needleboy | X5 is the same size as h340 |
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| 14:27:01 | Bagder | no |
| 14:27:01 | needleboy | almost |
| 14:27:27 | Bagder | it is smaller and slicker |
| 14:27:32 | Membrillo | i dont know anything about iaudio. is iaudio a company or a subbranch of another company? |
| 14:27:35 | needleboy | just a bit |
| 14:27:41 | Bagder | the company is cowon |
| 14:27:46 | Bagder | another korean |
| 14:27:49 | Membrillo | ah |
| 14:28:04 | Membrillo | does the X5 do video? |
| 14:28:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:28:11 | Membrillo | well? |
| 14:28:17 | Bagder | 13 fps xvid |
| 14:28:25 | Bagder | but with a smaller res than the h3x0 |
| 14:28:39 | Bagder | 160x128 |
| 14:28:45 | Membrillo | hmmm |
| 14:28:49 | Membrillo | cheaper though i bet |
| 14:29:02 | needleboy | yeah, the screen is really dissapointing in the X5 |
| 14:29:10 | needleboy | size that is |
| 14:29:14 | Membrillo | how does it go for sound quality and harddrive sizes? |
| 14:29:25 | needleboy | they got 60GB |
| 14:29:31 | needleboy | dunno about sound |
| 14:29:45 | needleboy | also, they have the X5L which claims to have 29 hours of battery life |
| 14:29:48 | needleboy | or something like that |
| 14:30:07 | Membrillo | Hard disk (20GB/30GB/60GB)*** |
| 14:30:26 | Membrillo | 20 30 60 aint bad |
| 14:30:28 | needleboy | it's quite simillar to the H340, better in some parts, worse in others... but a good buy anyway |
| 14:31:28 | Membrillo | yeah |
| 14:31:41 | Membrillo | he's not retarded, im pretty sure he will look around |
| 14:31:52 | Membrillo | he wont go straight for the "easy buy" |
| 14:32:49 | Rob2222_ | ja |
| 14:33:31 | Membrillo | do they have single platter 40gb drives yet |
| 14:34:27 | aliask | Is there a way to restrict a scolling line in the WPS? |
| 14:35:00 | needleboy | do you use the H300 optimized build? |
| 14:35:11 | Membrillo | there is a |START|END| syntax thing i think |
| 14:35:11 | needleboy | we added a new tag for that |
| 14:35:32 | aliask | Yeah, I'm using the optimised build. |
| 14:35:37 | aliask | Is it still %s? |
| 14:35:46 | needleboy | %s%m|START|END| |
| 14:35:50 | Membrillo | %s%m|START|END| |
| 14:35:52 | needleboy | start and end in pixel values |
| 14:35:53 | Membrillo | lol |
| 14:35:55 | needleboy | hehe |
| 14:36:00 | aliask | Thanks very much. |
| 14:36:03 | needleboy | np |
| 14:36:22 | Membrillo | how would one go about aligning the progress bar other than centered? |
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| 14:36:39 | needleboy | %ar? |
| 14:36:40 | needleboy | :) |
| 14:36:49 | Membrillo | nah doesnt work |
| 14:37:13 | Membrillo | the current syntax draws it with an even margin on each side, meaning its always centered |
| 14:38:32 | Slasheri | hehe, now wps image cache is implemented.. testing :) |
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| 14:39:21 | Membrillo | image cache? why is that needed? |
| 14:39:44 | needleboy | Slasheri: excellent! |
| 14:39:50 | needleboy | faster WPS loading? |
| 14:40:00 | Membrillo | oh ok, awesome!!! |
| 14:40:06 | needleboy | i think... |
| 14:40:18 | amiconn | oh no... |
| 14:40:19 | Slasheri | needleboy: should be much faster boot |
| 14:40:23 | Membrillo | i loaded a monochrome WPS this morning (boxes), and it took 2 minutes to load... |
| 14:40:33 | needleboy | boot? nah, it's fast enough :) |
| 14:40:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: Combined bitmaps will be practically the same, but w/o just another cache file |
| 14:41:00 | aliask | fast enough is not good enough! :) |
| 14:41:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: probably true.. |
| 14:42:07 | needleboy | is anyone planning to work on layers for WPS? |
| 14:42:19 | needleboy | text behind images etc... |
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| 14:43:07 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, cvs diff -r 1.11 -r 1.12 apps/gui/gwps.h |
| 14:43:13 | Slasheri | was there any real reason for that change? |
| 14:43:31 | amiconn | Yes |
| 14:43:36 | Slasheri | i don't like that new (or old) behaviour.. |
| 14:43:36 | Slasheri | hmm |
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| 14:44:07 | amiconn | Stop doesn't have anything on long press, so triggering on press makes it more responsive |
| 14:44:24 | dufuS | hi |
| 14:44:27 | Slasheri | eh.. |
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| 14:44:50 | Slasheri | long press would shutdown the unit correctly and stop the playback then |
| 14:45:07 | dufuS | will rockbox ever support video |
| 14:45:12 | Slasheri | now playback will stop before shutdown gets accepted |
| 14:45:13 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 14:45:17 | needleboy | isn't long press stop mapped to shutdown? |
| 14:45:22 | Slasheri | that's very annoying.. |
| 14:45:28 | amiconn | I *always* stop playback before shutting down |
| 14:45:31 | dufuS | äéé ðéãìáåé |
| 14:45:36 | Slasheri | needleboy: yep, but playback stops before that.. |
| 14:45:37 | needleboy | dufuS: yes, maybe, one day |
| 14:45:41 | needleboy | oh |
| 14:45:43 | dufuS | èåá |
| 14:45:52 | dufuS | >< |
| 14:45:55 | needleboy | no hebrew please :) |
| 14:45:57 | amiconn | It's not standard long press |
| 14:45:59 | dufuS | k |
| 14:46:03 | Paprica | çç àéæä ñèìï |
| 14:46:07 | needleboy | :)) |
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| 14:46:10 | amiconn | You can still shutdown by holding the stop button |
| 14:46:13 | dufuS | you paprica :< |
| 14:46:23 | Paprica | =\ |
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| 14:46:35 | needleboy | paprica, linus wanted to know if you're working on a new gui |
| 14:46:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, but i don't know how long the press the stop without looking at display because there is no feedback |
| 14:46:43 | Paprica | mmm |
| 14:46:51 | Slasheri | especially if you have fade out enabled, you could have to press stop really long :/ |
| 14:46:58 | amiconn | Perhaps it's just me, but with the trigger on release I had severe problems stopping playback |
| 14:47:01 | Paprica | im trying |
| 14:47:02 | dufuS | paprica i love brickmania :P |
| 14:47:13 | Slasheri | interesting.. i have never had problems with it |
| 14:47:17 | amiconn | ..because I pressed a bit too long, and then thought button handling was frozen... |
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| 14:47:26 | needleboy | Slasheri, on the H340 (at least) you have to hold STOP for at least 4 seconds right now for shutdown when playing |
| 14:47:30 | Paprica | but dont know if i can do it |
| 14:47:32 | amiconn | The H1x0 buttons are crap |
| 14:47:38 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe it could be changed to react "standard" long press also |
| 14:47:44 | amiconn | Yes |
| 14:47:46 | Paprica | dufuS, =] |
| 14:47:52 | Slasheri | so playback would stop anyway when _releasing_ the button |
| 14:48:01 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:48:07 | Slasheri | hmm, sounds good |
| 14:48:08 | dufuS | wow u ppl write so long lines |
| 14:48:21 | amiconn | We still need _PRE, since otherwise leaving the menu with Stop would stop playback |
| 14:48:26 | Slasheri | needleboy: uh, that's quite long |
| 14:48:49 | amiconn | In fact we need 2 different _PREs |
| 14:48:57 | needleboy | yes it is... |
| 14:48:59 | preglow | what the hell went wrong with my eq commit? |
| 14:49:00 | needleboy | that's my point |
| 14:49:14 | amiconn | preglow: You didn't commit the .S |
| 14:49:20 | * | dufuS is listening to The Red Hot Chili Peppers - Road Trippin' |
| 14:49:32 | dufuS | :X |
| 14:49:32 | Membrillo | dufuS: shut that off |
| 14:49:35 | dufuS | k |
| 14:49:35 | preglow | hahah |
| 14:49:35 | needleboy | trip on |
| 14:49:52 | needleboy | preglow, if you do this eq, you're a god |
| 14:49:54 | preglow | amiconn: btw, there's a bug in the build system |
| 14:50:02 | needleboy | i've been waiting for this since day one |
| 14:50:05 | preglow | amiconn: the .S file will be deleted every time you make clean |
| 14:50:15 | Membrillo | i remember the last time someone had that on and B4dger kicked their ass out of here |
| 14:50:17 | preglow | needleboy: well, it's all there now, someone just needs to make the gui |
| 14:50:28 | needleboy | no need for gui |
| 14:50:35 | dufuS | hey do u think rockbox will support a better video format then the original? |
| 14:50:35 | needleboy | numeric values are enough |
| 14:50:41 | Membrillo | i don't think it needs to be graphical either |
| 14:50:41 | needleboy | in +-dB |
| 14:50:50 | Membrillo | for now anyway |
| 14:51:02 | amiconn | preglow: This doesn't happen in any other dir... |
| 14:51:05 | needleboy | and i'd love quick access to it as well |
| 14:51:11 | Membrillo | maybe arranged nicely, but for now, text\numeric is enough |
| 14:51:19 | amiconn | ...bt I think Bagder is the one to ask for build system issues |
| 14:51:27 | dufuS | Hey |
| 14:51:31 | dufuS | i have this problem |
| 14:51:33 | preglow | amiconn: it also never builds the .S file, it just preprocesses it and links it |
| 14:51:34 | dufuS | the volume of the player |
| 14:51:39 | dufuS | is shown wrong |
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| 14:51:45 | Membrillo | no it isnt |
| 14:51:46 | dufuS | the highest volume is 0dB |
| 14:51:49 | Membrillo | yes |
| 14:51:50 | dufuS | how is that possible |
| 14:51:51 | Membrillo | thats correct |
| 14:52:06 | needleboy | the volume is in negative dB values |
| 14:52:11 | dufuS | why? |
| 14:52:21 | preglow | because it makes stuff simpler for us |
| 14:52:24 | needleboy | because that's what the ROCKbox devs decided |
| 14:52:27 | Membrillo | 0dB is the standard volume. then its made softer digitally if you reduce it |
| 14:52:28 | dufuS | ok |
| 14:52:29 | ashridah | needleboy: on the iriver, yes. on other platforms there's a higher rating |
| 14:52:42 | aliask | Because any alteration of the volume is actually a reduction of a default volume. |
| 14:53:04 | Membrillo | aliask: thats what i tried to explain but you did a better job of it :P |
| 14:53:08 | needleboy | ashridah: what are you talking about? volume? higher than 0dB? |
| 14:53:28 | needleboy | oh, ok, got it |
| 14:53:31 | ashridah | needleboy: yes |
| 14:53:35 | Membrillo | anything above 0db is possible but it will clip |
| 14:53:37 | aliask | Well it got the point across. Anyway I'm out for tonight, keep up all the great work guys... :) |
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| 14:53:41 | ashridah | the archos's are louder. don't know about ipod |
| 14:53:44 | dufuS | who translated the menus to hebrew? |
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| 14:54:02 | ashridah | Membrillo: again, that's dependent on the output stages of the DAC |
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| 14:54:31 | needleboy | Paprica, back to issue... what about the status bar? |
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| 14:54:33 | ashridah | dufuS: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibels#Acoustics |
| 14:54:46 | needleboy | dufuS: read http://en.wikipedia.org |
| 14:54:48 | needleboy | :) |
| 14:54:53 | needleboy | jokin |
| 14:55:02 | dufuS | he.wiki..... |
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| 14:55:41 | preglow | ARGH |
| 14:55:49 | Paprica | needleboy, im trying to do a statusbar with custom images, like the wps |
| 14:55:50 | preglow | i did make clean without thinking, and now my eq_cf.S is gone |
| 14:55:51 | preglow | fucking great |
| 14:56:12 | Paprica | dont know if i will success |
| 14:56:24 | dufuS | hey can u add a feature that when i listen to a song and press NAVI to see the files, the song that is being played will be selected first |
| 14:56:28 | dufuS | if you understand me.. |
| 14:56:49 | dufuS | i mean like in the original |
| 14:56:53 | ashridah | dufuS: i think that already exists, doesn't it? |
| 14:56:56 | needleboy | Paprica, are you working on the basis of the one you shown me a week ago? |
| 14:56:57 | dufuS | no |
| 14:56:59 | needleboy | the buggy one? |
| 14:57:01 | amiconn | dufuS: Enable 'Follow playlist' |
| 14:57:05 | dufuS | oh ok |
| 14:57:07 | dufuS | thanks! |
| 14:57:17 | Paprica | no |
| 14:57:22 | Paprica | start new one |
| 14:57:28 | needleboy | ok... |
| 14:57:38 | needleboy | Linus started working on a color changer |
| 14:57:45 | dufuS | hey paprica |
| 14:57:49 | Paprica | ? |
| 14:57:54 | dufuS | can u do that the high scores of brickmania |
| 14:58:01 | Slasheri | hehe, bmp cache works! boot is now *REALLY* fast =)' |
| 14:58:12 | dufuS | wont be deleted |
| 14:58:16 | dufuS | when i delete the rockbox files |
| 14:58:22 | needleboy | try to work out with him a method of changing the status bar color independent of the rest of the gui |
| 14:58:23 | Membrillo | so a lot of the boot time was taken up by BMP loading? |
| 14:58:29 | Slasheri | rockbox logo only flashes on the screen :) |
| 14:58:34 | dufuS | i mean can u save the high scores in other folder than .rockbox |
| 14:58:36 | dufuS | like |
| 14:58:42 | dufuS | \.highscores\ |
| 14:58:56 | linuxstb | preglow: Ouch. Did you lose everything? |
| 14:58:58 | dufuS | or \.data\ |
| 14:59:19 | dufuS | ok paprica? |
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| 14:59:35 | Moos | Slasheri: Congratulations |
| 14:59:37 | Paprica | mm its not good |
| 14:59:42 | dufuS | it's annoying that i lose the high scores when i update my optimized rockbox |
| 14:59:46 | preglow | linuxstb: i've got an old backup |
| 14:59:47 | dufuS | why not good? |
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| 15:00:05 | Paprica | cuz its not a good way to create new folder |
| 15:00:12 | needleboy | exactly |
| 15:00:13 | linuxstb | :(. Any ideas about Musepack's refusal to play on the ipod? |
| 15:00:24 | Slasheri | i will commit that cache thing now |
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| 15:00:27 | needleboy | Paprica, how about using the same system as used to save the ROCKbox settings? |
| 15:00:32 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i'll have a look at it later |
| 15:00:37 | preglow | just need to fix eq |
| 15:00:46 | Paprica | needleboy, with what |
| 15:00:47 | preglow | god damn, this is annoying |
| 15:01:07 | linuxstb | bbl |
| 15:01:09 | dufuS | needleboy |
| 15:01:10 | Membrillo | Slasheri: ill try it once you commit it :)) |
| 15:01:17 | dufuS | where are the settings saved |
| 15:01:19 | needleboy | with the highscores and saves we talked about |
| 15:01:22 | dufuS | if i want to delete them |
| 15:01:36 | Moos | Slasheri: how much time take boot now? |
| 15:01:36 | needleboy | they're not in a file |
| 15:01:48 | needleboy | just hold REC during bootscreen, it'll reset the settings |
| 15:01:53 | dufuS | yea |
| 15:01:57 | dufuS | i know |
| 15:02:00 | Paprica | ah |
| 15:02:04 | Paprica | mm dont know |
| 15:02:40 | needleboy | why not? |
| 15:02:46 | needleboy | you want them in a file? |
| 15:02:48 | dufuS | hey who developed rockboy? |
| 15:03:01 | dufuS | it is s0 slow |
| 15:03:03 | Membrillo | a lot of people added bits and pieces i think |
| 15:03:08 | needleboy | dufuS, just wondering, do you have ADD? |
| 15:03:15 | dufuS | add what? |
| 15:03:16 | Membrillo | hahahahaha |
| 15:03:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:03:19 | Membrillo | ADD |
| 15:03:22 | dufuS | ? |
| 15:03:26 | Membrillo | Attention Defecit Disorder |
| 15:03:28 | needleboy | Attenition Deficit Disorder |
| 15:03:30 | needleboy | lol |
| 15:03:36 | dufuS | in hebrew? |
| 15:03:41 | needleboy | you're jumping from topic to topic before being answered |
| 15:03:45 | dufuS | lol |
| 15:03:45 | Membrillo | needleboy: i spelt it right |
| 15:03:49 | Membrillo | :P |
| 15:03:55 | needleboy | Mem, yes you have :) |
| 15:04:07 | Slasheri | Moos: about 2-3s less |
| 15:04:15 | Moos | w00t ! |
| 15:04:26 | dufuS | how old ru |
| 15:04:30 | needleboy | 25 |
| 15:04:32 | dufuS | lol old |
| 15:04:46 | needleboy | don't remind me... |
| 15:04:46 | dufuS | :) |
| 15:04:53 | Membrillo | i think ADD must be contageous over the internet. i swear half of MR must have it. |
| 15:05:00 | preglow | hahahah |
| 15:05:04 | Membrillo | the new 12 year old generation |
| 15:05:08 | needleboy | hehe |
| 15:05:10 | dufuS | 14* :) |
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| 15:05:26 | | Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) |
| 15:05:45 | needleboy | 2-3 seconds less??? |
| 15:05:48 | needleboy | woah |
| 15:05:49 | Slasheri | argh, now there is a cvs commit because i haven't the most fresh files.. :) |
| 15:05:54 | Membrillo | i have this stereotype in my head that all 12 year olds are omgz lolz newbz |
| 15:05:54 | Slasheri | *conflict |
| 15:05:55 | needleboy | Slasheri, great work |
| 15:06:14 | needleboy | Mem, true image that is |
| 15:06:24 | dufuS | is sanitarium israeli too |
| 15:06:31 | needleboy | don't think so |
| 15:06:55 | dufuS | is eli sherer chattin here |
| 15:06:57 | [San] | no |
| 15:07:08 | needleboy | eli is in the army |
| 15:07:11 | dufuS | where ru from sanitarium? |
| 15:07:14 | needleboy | he's home on weekends |
| 15:07:14 | Membrillo | i dont think ive ever seen eli here |
| 15:07:16 | [San] | i amn't israleli |
| 15:07:19 | [San] | I am irish |
| 15:07:19 | needleboy | i have |
| 15:07:21 | dufuS | ok |
| 15:07:37 | Membrillo | does he alias under Eli_Sherer here? |
| 15:07:43 | [San] | yes |
| 15:08:02 | Membrillo | hmmm, maybe ill see him round here one day |
| 15:08:18 | dufuS | Paprica make more games :< |
| 15:08:23 | Membrillo | hahahahaha |
| 15:08:25 | [San] | lol |
| 15:08:29 | needleboy | eli has to start finishing his projects... |
| 15:08:31 | Membrillo | my stereotype was just proven |
| 15:08:37 | needleboy | haha |
| 15:08:45 | dufuS | huh |
| 15:09:16 | dufuS | xobox is annoying |
| 15:09:22 | needleboy | Membrillo, at least his english is good. Most 14 year olds in Israel hardly know between Yes/No |
| 15:09:39 | Membrillo | thats a good point. we should give credit where its due |
| 15:09:57 | dufuS | .. |
| 15:10:24 | Membrillo | anyway im off. last day of summer holidays tomorrow and I want to actually wake up before 1pm for it. |
| 15:10:25 | needleboy | dufuS: that was a compliment... |
| 15:10:35 | preglow | summer holidays? |
| 15:10:37 | dufuS | i know |
| 15:10:38 | [San] | eli is 14? |
| 15:10:45 | dufuS | no, i m |
| 15:10:49 | preglow | right, aussie :) |
| 15:10:50 | [San] | oh |
| 15:10:52 | Membrillo | Australia :P |
| 15:10:54 | preglow | haha |
| 15:11:15 | [San] | oh |
| 15:11:16 | [San] | lol |
| 15:11:26 | [San] | have fun in school or work wo w/e |
| 15:11:27 | [San] | :D |
| 15:11:32 | needleboy | ciao Mem |
| 15:11:47 | Membrillo | ugh its been 9 weeks off and im not looking forward to going back to school at all... |
| 15:11:53 | [San] | lol |
| 15:11:59 | Membrillo | oh well. only two years left. |
| 15:12:12 | Membrillo | See ya kids |
| 15:12:12 | needleboy | you're 16? |
| 15:12:21 | Membrillo | aye aye |
| 15:12:25 | needleboy | now you sound older... |
| 15:12:33 | needleboy | (write older?) |
| 15:12:34 | needleboy | hehe |
| 15:12:37 | needleboy | ok, go |
| 15:12:39 | needleboy | bye |
| 15:12:42 | Membrillo | bye |
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| 15:13:13 | preglow | anyone know how the build system works? does it use make clean at all? |
| 15:13:18 | needleboy | San, do you keep the WPS pack updated daily? |
| 15:13:34 | [San] | yes |
| 15:13:49 | [San] | i update it between 9-10pm GMT |
| 15:14:04 | needleboy | so i can just ignore them... or keep providing only new ones? |
| 15:14:07 | needleboy | what do you say? |
| 15:14:39 | [San] | i dont mind |
| 15:15:02 | needleboy | i was looking for an opinion :) |
| 15:15:09 | needleboy | not approval :) |
| 15:15:17 | muesli__ | can we already adjust eq-settings? |
| 15:15:17 | [San] | lol |
| 15:15:28 | muesli__ | beside bass/treble |
| 15:15:54 | dufuS | can someone tell me what is SRS and WOW |
| 15:15:58 | needleboy | muesli, it's in the pipes i think |
| 15:16:02 | needleboy | dufuS, don't ask |
| 15:16:05 | dufuS | why not |
| 15:16:10 | muesli__ | okidok needleboy |
| 15:16:18 | needleboy | worse possible EQ effects ever created |
| 15:16:22 | muesli__ | dufuS cos its useless |
| 15:16:26 | needleboy | just ignore them |
| 15:16:29 | preglow | they're not strictly eq effects |
| 15:16:37 | needleboy | sound evironment... |
| 15:16:41 | Slasheri | committed, i hope it works.. :D |
| 15:16:41 | preglow | you get some stereo imagining and other stuff |
| 15:16:44 | needleboy | environment |
| 15:17:05 | needleboy | preglow, it's still useless... |
| 15:17:17 | needleboy | even on the crappiest of all headphones... let alone good ones |
| 15:17:25 | muesli__ | never used srs or wow |
| 15:17:49 | muesli__ | customized stuff is the only thing that matters |
| 15:17:53 | needleboy | you lose about 25% of all audible material as far as i can hear, and my hearing kicks major ass |
| 15:18:28 | preglow | Slasheri: what do you do to ensure the cache is correct? |
| 15:19:08 | Slasheri | preglow: simple filename check.. if any filename/order mismatch, ignore and rebuild the cache |
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| 15:19:17 | Slasheri | hmm, but that might not be always enough |
| 15:19:25 | preglow | Slasheri: then i think this is bad idea |
| 15:19:47 | Slasheri | the cache is really simple.. |
| 15:19:54 | needleboy | Slasheri, how about file header? |
| 15:20:01 | needleboy | do BMPs have them even? |
| 15:20:10 | preglow | if people unzips a new wps, i don't want to tell them they have to delete some hidden cache file to use it |
| 15:20:22 | dufuS | hey is it only me or the rockbox volume is higher than the original? |
| 15:20:31 | preglow | dufuS: probably for eu version |
| 15:20:33 | Slasheri | preglow: they don't need to, if the new wps is not excactly the same as the previous one |
| 15:20:36 | dufuS | yes |
| 15:20:39 | dufuS | i have eu |
| 15:20:46 | preglow | Slasheri: what about a pure bitmap update? |
| 15:21:12 | Slasheri | preglow: that is something it doesn't handle correctly at the moment.. |
| 15:21:19 | preglow | Slasheri: exactly, which is why i think it is a bad idea |
| 15:21:34 | preglow | if caching is ever to be used anywhere, it needs to be foolproof |
| 15:21:39 | preglow | users don't understand cachingh |
| 15:22:13 | Slasheri | yes, true.. i will think ways to fix that. Or then we could just combine the bitmaps to a single file to avoid too complex caching |
| 15:23:02 | preglow | i think the last is the best |
| 15:23:05 | needleboy | Slasheri, how about checking timestamp, headers? |
| 15:23:16 | preglow | that'll be slow |
| 15:23:20 | preglow | just as slow as an open() |
| 15:23:23 | dufuS | is it only me or the latest version of the optimized h300 is working fastert and smoother |
| 15:23:31 | preglow | Slasheri: the last approach would also not waste so much space due to cluster size |
| 15:23:34 | dufuS | faster* |
| 15:23:35 | needleboy | it's not just you... |
| 15:23:43 | linuxstb | Could we load the WPS in the background? |
| 15:23:56 | preglow | Slasheri: but yeah, my point is pretty much that you can't do reliable caching on wps bitmaps, not unless someone introduces a revision number in the wps file or something |
| 15:23:57 | Slasheri | needleboy: yes, that is possible but it adds complexity to the simple caching |
| 15:24:17 | linuxstb | I agree with preglow that a cache is overkill - we try should find a simpler solution. |
| 15:24:29 | Slasheri | linuxstb: probably yes, but that wouldn't help much if we have "auto start playback" enabled |
| 15:24:46 | Slasheri | yep, probably amiconn could apply the combined bitmaps patch.. |
| 15:25:00 | preglow | yep, but then we need a massive wps fix session :) |
| 15:25:07 | Slasheri | true :) |
| 15:25:21 | preglow | i don't know how wps makers will react to that change |
| 15:25:50 | preglow | but it should be done |
| 15:25:59 | preglow | a zillion bmp files is just ugly and inelegant |
| 15:26:05 | needleboy | explain "combined bitmaps"? |
| 15:26:13 | amiconn | I've resumed working on .lang cleanup |
| 15:26:22 | preglow | amiconn: cleanup how? |
| 15:26:36 | dufuS | FL is cool!!! |
| 15:27:22 | amiconn | Throw away everything deprecated, combine anything that is separated just for historical reasons (stuff from before splash() ), and group the strings somewhat |
| 15:27:40 | amiconn | Should be helpful for l10n v2 |
| 15:27:50 | needleboy | what are "combined bitmaps"? |
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| 15:30:07 | preglow | amiconn: ok, good |
| 15:30:24 | preglow | needleboy: current wpses use a zillion small bmp files |
| 15:30:26 | lostlogic | Slasheri: My first attack at the pcmbuf is on sourceforge if you're interested. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1417808&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 15:30:32 | preglow | needleboy: we want to combine all of them to one file |
| 15:30:37 | amiconn | I started this back in december, then got annoyed by the 3000+ lines file |
| 15:30:43 | preglow | needleboy: reasons is that small bmp files waste disk space and slow down wps load |
| 15:30:43 | needleboy | and make a map? like in HTML? |
| 15:30:49 | preglow | needleboy: pretty much, yeah |
| 15:31:00 | preglow | needleboy: when you need to use a picture in a wps, you just use coordinates |
| 15:31:03 | needleboy | makes some stuff easier, some harder... |
| 15:31:07 | Slasheri | lostlogic: nice, i saw your patch :) i will try it soon |
| 15:31:22 | needleboy | how about two mode images? like on/off buttons |
| 15:31:22 | preglow | needleboy: yeah, but the current solution isn't good enough |
| 15:31:29 | preglow | needleboy: two coordinates? |
| 15:31:36 | needleboy | oh oh oh |
| 15:31:38 | needleboy | ok... |
| 15:31:48 | preglow | all this messing around with coordinates is not pretty |
| 15:31:49 | needleboy | you mean just pull the part of the image you need... |
| 15:31:53 | needleboy | gotcha |
| 15:32:11 | preglow | and it becomes very hard to resize bitmaps like this |
| 15:32:22 | lostlogic | Slasheri: cool, been playing music all night, so in the basic sense of playing tracks and automatic track changes, it works. |
| 15:32:33 | preglow | i think i'd prefer some preprocessor scheme that makes a wps file from one wps description and many bmps |
| 15:33:43 | needleboy | preglow, that's not good |
| 15:33:53 | needleboy | all themes will look the same... |
| 15:33:55 | dufuS | wtf |
| 15:33:59 | dufuS | where are the colors? |
| 15:34:09 | dufuS | i just updated the optimized h300 |
| 15:34:27 | dufuS | why are the colored wps files gona? |
| 15:34:28 | dufuS | :( |
| 15:34:34 | dufuS | gone |
| 15:34:48 | needleboy | are you deleting the .rockbox folder EVERYTIME you reinstall??? |
| 15:34:55 | dufuS | yes |
| 15:34:57 | needleboy | ... |
| 15:34:59 | needleboy | don't |
| 15:34:59 | muesli__ | lol |
| 15:35:05 | dufuS | why not |
| 15:35:12 | needleboy | hold on, i'll link you to a WPS pack |
| 15:35:12 | muesli__ | why should you? |
| 15:35:27 | dufuS | because there are some updates |
| 15:35:40 | preglow | we'll need a separate dev channel soon |
| 15:35:42 | needleboy | dufuS: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=380273#post380273 |
| 15:35:44 | dufuS | that removed things |
| 15:35:58 | dufuS | thanks |
| 15:36:08 | lostlogic | preglow: the iPod-people are coming! |
| 15:36:11 | needleboy | dufuS: when i compile a version that needs a clean install, i notify about that... |
| 15:36:16 | preglow | needleboy: why will wpses look the same? |
| 15:36:21 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah... |
| 15:36:31 | needleboy | you said same WPS descriptions... |
| 15:36:37 | needleboy | i'm trying to figure that out ATM |
| 15:36:40 | muesli__ | what about #rockbox-lounge |
| 15:36:44 | needleboy | what does that mean? |
| 15:36:54 | dufuS | #devs |
| 15:37:07 | preglow | needleboy: the wps description is what the .wps file is now |
| 15:37:15 | preglow | the layout and everything |
| 15:37:20 | needleboy | ok, which is exactly what i understood |
| 15:37:31 | needleboy | you said you want it hardcoded and the same to all WPS? |
| 15:37:36 | preglow | hell no |
| 15:37:49 | needleboy | quote: that makes a wps file from one wps description and many bmps |
| 15:37:51 | needleboy | explain? |
| 15:37:53 | needleboy | :)) |
| 15:38:08 | aegray | aaghhhhh ipod people! |
| 15:38:11 | preglow | it's just like now, just that you have some tool which combines all the file and converts the bitmaps to native rockbox format |
| 15:38:18 | Moos | Bagder,LinusN: still the same wiki spam :( |
| 15:38:19 | preglow | then packs all into one .wps file that rockbox can read fast |
| 15:38:23 | needleboy | oh! |
| 15:38:30 | needleboy | jesus, i feel dumb. |
| 15:38:36 | needleboy | that's a great idea |
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| 15:38:49 | needleboy | why hasn't this been done yet? :) |
| 15:40:30 | dufuS | YAY |
| 15:40:37 | dufuS | now it's pretty! |
| 15:40:54 | preglow | god, this is really turning out to be a great day |
| 15:40:56 | preglow | i just deleted all my mail |
| 15:41:19 | * | ashridah hands preglow the cookie of ludditism |
| 15:41:35 | lostlogic | google should have known not to add that delete button |
| 15:41:46 | dufuS | hey what font is good for BlueBars WPS? |
| 15:42:00 | preglow | want me to tell you _exactly_ what i think of the mbox format? |
| 15:42:20 | * | ashridah huggles MailDir |
| 15:42:25 | preglow | maildir is great |
| 15:42:26 | preglow | it's lovely |
| 15:42:27 | preglow | mbox is not |
| 15:42:35 | ashridah | bit of a spacewaster tho |
| 15:42:40 | preglow | i don't care |
| 15:42:52 | preglow | i can't delete maildir just as easily as i just deleted my mbox |
| 15:42:56 | lostlogic | I keep meaning to convert to maildir, but I haven't gotten to ti. |
| 15:42:59 | | Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 15:43:17 | ashridah | you would if you managed a mail server that got mailbombed, and went three weeks before the company decided to call you and ask why their mail wouldn't work anymore |
| 15:43:46 | * | ashridah notes it's really hard to delete mail from a directory that cannot be viewed due to the size :) |
| 15:43:56 | needleboy | lol |
| 15:44:44 | dufuS | DigitalCrube wps is nice! |
| 15:44:49 | dufuS | Cruve* |
| 15:44:49 | preglow | i also hate freebsd, btw |
| 15:44:53 | preglow | i loathe it |
| 15:45:02 | preglow | i have a gcc-4.0.2 tree here i can't rm -rf * |
| 15:45:11 | ashridah | it's kinda annoying, since i automatically type 'ls<enter>' whenever i go into a directory i need to do stuff in, so it'd be |
| 15:45:13 | preglow | error is "some directories are not empty" |
| 15:45:15 | preglow | NO SHIT, says i |
| 15:45:17 | ashridah | cd <blah> |
| 15:45:21 | ashridah | ls "FUCK" |
| 15:46:27 | ashridah | after which i'd kill the terminal and try again |
| 15:46:33 | preglow | hahaha |
| 15:47:32 | ashridah | anyway. sleep time |
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| 15:47:37 | | Join slimx [0] (n=slimx@vau75-7-82-234-251-56.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:47:37 | | Quit ashridah ("Leaving") |
| 15:48:05 | slimx | hy all :) |
| 15:48:28 | slimx | ipod 3g is now mono bitmap capable |
| 15:48:46 | slimx | and print pretty strings to the lcd screen |
| 15:48:49 | preglow | wooo |
| 15:49:17 | slimx | it just lack a native bitmap support |
| 15:49:53 | slimx | but it's gonna be much easier to debug :) |
| 15:50:34 | Pi | Is linus still about? |
| 15:51:00 | needleboy | Pi, he's working on commiting the color changer... |
| 15:51:09 | slimx | the ata_init function return me error code 32 |
| 15:51:13 | needleboy | but i think he's rebuilding the whole thing |
| 15:51:38 | Pi | I have been reading the conversation earlyer today, when was the last time he looked at the patch |
| 15:51:52 | needleboy | dunno, probably earlier today |
| 15:52:00 | needleboy | i think before you've updated |
| 15:53:15 | | Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) |
| 15:54:00 | dufuS | hey |
| 15:54:08 | dufuS | what is the font for rockriver wps |
| 15:54:40 | needleboy | dufuS: this is not the place for these questions. |
| 15:54:43 | | Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 15:54:53 | needleboy | you have all the info here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35852 |
| 15:55:00 | Paprica | may you look at the thread at MR? |
| 15:55:37 | | Join qwr31 [0] (n=d3b34c62@labb.contactor.se) |
| 15:55:44 | qwr31 | mother fucker |
| 15:55:55 | qwr31 | fqlfqkfjqf |
| 15:55:57 | qwr31 | qff093r9j1f |
| 15:55:58 | qwr31 | 1 |
| 15:55:59 | qwr31 | 1 |
| 15:56:00 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK qwr31 |
| 15:56:00 | qwr31 | 1p23pro |
| 15:56:06 | dufuS | hey |
| 15:56:12 | lostlogic | qwr31: wtf? |
| 15:56:18 | needleboy | kick him |
| 15:56:23 | qwr31 | fuck |
| 15:56:29 | dufuS | how do u get a screenshot from iriver? |
| 15:56:31 | Paprica | kick his ass |
| 15:56:37 | qwr31 | bbbbanggqgg |
| 15:56:43 | dufuS | :< |
| 15:56:45 | lostlogic | dufuS: you can do a screen dump, it's documented on the wiki |
| 15:56:49 | qwr31 | whahahwawahdwhdahah |
| 15:57:07 | Paprica | who have a op there? |
| 15:57:08 | lostlogic | we have a noteable lack of ops at the moment |
| 15:57:09 | qwr31 | ddddddddddrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgaqqq |
| 15:57:12 | Paprica | an |
| 15:57:17 | lostlogic | bagder does for sure, not sure who else can get ops |
| 15:57:19 | Paprica | LinusN, Bagder? |
| 15:57:31 | qwr31 | byebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebyebye |
| 15:57:34 | qwr31 | fklharlwfhwahahaaaah |
| 15:57:41 | qwr31 | asksq |
| 15:57:41 | Paprica | rr spamer |
| 15:57:52 | elinenbe | linuxstb: so, is it time to buy a nano? |
| 15:57:57 | qwr31 | yeah!!!!!!!!!!~~~!@EJFK!#$#@% |
| 15:57:58 | preglow | we need more ops here |
| 15:58:02 | qwr31 | wahahaah |
| 15:58:04 | dufuS | lostlogic |
| 15:58:06 | Paprica | really |
| 15:58:12 | qwr31 | ops? nwoo`noono`no`no~~ |
| 15:58:13 | dufuS | i can't find in the wiki "screen sump" |
| 15:58:15 | | Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa97.3.tellas.gr) |
| 15:58:17 | dufuS | please help :< |
| 15:58:23 | qwr31 | help? fuckyou |
| 15:58:23 | dufuS | dump* |
| 15:58:24 | qwr31 | whahaahaaah |
| 15:58:30 | dufuS | u mean in the rockbox wiki |
| 15:58:31 | qwr31 | hgaghgahgghahag |
| 15:58:34 | dufuS | or the misticriver? |
| 15:58:35 | preglow | just /ignore this fucknut |
| 15:58:36 | Paprica | lol? |
| 15:58:43 | Paprica | no opers in this server? |
| 15:58:48 | lostlogic | dufuS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
| 15:58:48 | qwr31 | /kick Paprica |
| 15:58:49 | dufuS | paprica help me |
| 15:58:52 | dufuS | oh |
| 15:58:53 | Paprica | #operhelp is empty |
| 15:58:53 | dufuS | nvm |
| 15:58:56 | dufuS | thanks lostlogic :) |
| 15:58:57 | qwr31 | /ban preglow |
| 15:59:01 | preglow | qwr31: how old are you? |
| 15:59:02 | qwr31 | wahahah |
| 15:59:06 | qwr31 | me? |
| 15:59:09 | preglow | you |
| 15:59:11 | qwr31 | 100!! ahaaaha |
| 15:59:13 | dufuS | lol |
| 15:59:13 | preglow | KEKEKEKEK |
| 15:59:22 | preglow | not only are you old, you're funny! |
| 15:59:28 | qwr31 | ok |
| 15:59:41 | preglow | what, you're gonna winnuke me? |
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| 15:59:54 | qwr31 | idunno |
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| 16:00:11 | qwr31 | fuckyou goodmorning |
| 16:00:12 | preglow | ok, if there's no more fun to be had, you can go away |
| 16:00:15 | preglow | bye |
| 16:00:18 | qwr31 | bbl |
| 16:00:20 | | Quit qwr31 (Client Quit) |
| 16:00:23 | Paprica | lol |
| 16:00:36 | Paprica | you're good preglow ;] |
| 16:00:40 | preglow | hahaha |
| 16:00:42 | lostlogic | i ... don't ... understand. |
| 16:00:49 | preglow | i'm used to people like that |
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| 16:01:05 | preglow | but yeah, we need more opers here |
| 16:01:09 | dufuS | hey |
| 16:01:12 | dufuS | where do i download |
| 16:01:16 | dufuS | the win32 simulatir? |
| 16:01:20 | dufuS | simulator* |
| 16:01:21 | preglow | dufuS: cvs only |
| 16:01:23 | dufuS | sor screen dump |
| 16:01:27 | lostlogic | dufuS: you don't have to prefix every question with "hey" :-P |
| 16:01:31 | dufuS | what's cvs? |
| 16:01:33 | lostlogic | dufuS: you can screendump from the player |
| 16:01:38 | dufuS | i know |
| 16:01:46 | dufuS | but it's easier from the computer |
| 16:01:48 | dufuS | isn't it? |
| 16:01:56 | lostlogic | dufuS: not that I know of |
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| 16:02:02 | qwr31 | long time no see!! ahahaahahahhhhhhhahaha |
| 16:02:19 | lostlogic | qwr31: do you have a point? Why have you come to this channel? |
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| 16:02:26 | qwr31 | sakjewej |
| 16:02:32 | qwr31 | aahahahaa |
| 16:02:42 | qwr31 | fu ck you paprica |
| 16:02:47 | qwr31 | good? ahaaa |
| 16:02:58 | Paprica | lol what i did worng? |
| 16:03:06 | qwr31 | aklaaaaahaaa |
| 16:03:12 | qwr31 | madmadmad |
| 16:03:13 | dufuS | oh no |
| 16:03:19 | dufuS | where is needlboyt |
| 16:03:24 | dufuS | boy* |
| 16:03:24 | dufuS | :\ |
| 16:03:24 | preglow | qwr31: please, i bet this is more fun in some other channel on some other server |
| 16:03:25 | qwr31 | crazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazy |
| 16:03:31 | qwr31 | naoanao |
| 16:03:38 | dufuS | l0ol |
| 16:03:40 | dufuS | u r crazy |
| 16:03:43 | qwr31 | 0000 |
| 16:03:45 | preglow | no, just stupid |
| 16:03:47 | qwr31 | yes aajaaahaahah |
| 16:04:09 | qwr31 | shut up preglow whwahawah |
| 16:04:12 | preglow | kekeke |
| 16:04:18 | qwr31 | keke? dkajdlasdh |
| 16:04:21 | dufuS | hey can someone give me a link |
| 16:04:28 | dufuS | to the theme collection |
| 16:04:29 | dufuS | :( |
| 16:04:32 | qwr31 | http://www.sex.com |
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| 16:04:39 | dufuS | lol |
| 16:04:40 | dufuS | finally |
| 16:04:42 | Paprica | wow |
| 16:04:47 | elinenbe | qwr31 is such a douche... |
| 16:04:50 | muesli__ | dufuS www.hey.com ;) |
| 16:04:55 | dufuS | :) |
| 16:05:09 | dufuS | please |
| 16:05:17 | muesli__ | check mr |
| 16:05:18 | dufuS | i need themes :< |
| 16:05:34 | Paprica | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35964 |
| 16:06:08 | lostlogic | dufuS: you have got to mellow out and search for answers on your own before asking and begging for help. |
| 16:06:13 | Paprica | dufuS, from where are yoy? |
| 16:06:24 | Paprica | you |
| 16:06:56 | dufuS | israel |
| 16:07:01 | dufuS | l0l |
| 16:07:14 | Paprica | from where in israel i meant |
| 16:07:17 | dufuS | atlit |
| 16:07:25 | Paprica | lol where? |
| 16:07:29 | dufuS | near haifa |
| 16:07:31 | dufuS | òúìéú |
| 16:07:34 | dufuS | don't u know? |
| 16:07:38 | Paprica | no |
| 16:07:44 | dufuS | lol.. |
| 16:08:45 | Paprica | =] |
| 16:09:24 | dufuS | i can't find a collection of all themes |
| 16:09:25 | dufuS | :[ |
| 16:09:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Paprica |
| 16:09:53 | Paprica | [::] <Paprica> http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35964 |
| 16:10:15 | dufuS | wps |
| 16:10:23 | lostlogic | dufuS: there is no one collection of all themes, people just post them individually most of the time. |
| 16:10:23 | dufuS | i need the theme files too :\ |
| 16:10:31 | dufuS | oh.. k |
| 16:10:35 | lostlogic | dufuS: and most people don't make themes, they just post wpss |
| 16:10:43 | lostlogic | dufuS: if you want a theme, make one! |
| 16:10:52 | muesli__ | whats the difference btw? |
| 16:11:07 | Paprica | he is type of lazy ;] |
| 16:11:17 | dufuS | yes i am |
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| 16:11:36 | lostlogic | muesli__: a theme sets fonts and uhh maybe other things at the same time as selecting a WPS |
| 16:11:49 | dufuS | paprica do u have all of the themes ? |
| 16:11:50 | Moos | config file for the WPS |
| 16:12:02 | Paprica | no |
| 16:12:16 | dufuS | :( |
| 16:12:16 | mirak | hi |
| 16:12:23 | lostlogic | dufuS: seriously, do your own work. |
| 16:12:29 | dufuS | I'm doomed! |
| 16:12:38 | Paprica | mm this is possible to do a diffrent font for the wps and the other gui? |
| 16:12:51 | dufuS | what's gui |
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| 16:13:22 | Paprica | Graphical User Interface |
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| 16:20:03 | * | muesli__ steals Matze41 an t and leaves him alone i a maze ;-p |
| 16:20:16 | Matze41 | haha |
| 16:20:21 | Matze41 | whazzup? |
| 16:20:34 | * | linuxstb reappears and wonders what's been happening here in the last hour.... |
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| 16:20:53 | * | Matze41 is afk now :) |
| 16:20:53 | muesli__ | loads of parties over here.. |
| 16:21:21 | linuxstb | I can see that.... |
| 16:21:29 | Paprica | hihi |
| 16:21:54 | Paprica | bah |
| 16:22:08 | Paprica | no way to scrool 2 times at the same line? |
| 16:22:19 | Paprica | (2 different texts) |
| 16:22:26 | Paprica | scroll* |
| 16:25:20 | dufuS | hey |
| 16:25:39 | dufuS | will the negative volume be fixed? |
| 16:26:01 | lostlogic | dufuS: it's not a bug, it's correct volume setting. |
| 16:26:36 | preglow | linuxstb: we'll need a #rockbox-dev some day soon |
| 16:26:46 | dufuS | why correct? |
| 16:26:55 | preglow | dufuS: the value is in decibel |
| 16:26:57 | dufuS | 0dB is no sound, isn't it? |
| 16:26:59 | Matze41 | 0dB is the reference... |
| 16:27:02 | preglow | dufuS: 0 means full scale sound |
| 16:27:05 | Matze41 | of max. volume |
| 16:27:09 | dufuS | oh.. |
| 16:27:27 | dufuS | well it looks like a bug |
| 16:27:29 | dufuS | :< |
| 16:27:33 | preglow | it's not |
| 16:27:39 | dufuS | yea i got it |
| 16:27:42 | Matze41 | when you do -3db you have half the output power... and around -6−−8dB is half volume for our ear |
| 16:27:46 | dufuS | it's still ugly :) |
| 16:28:11 | lostlogic | dufuS: just have your WPS display it as -3dB and it's not ugly any more. |
| 16:28:59 | Paprica | why i cant compile gdb? |
| 16:29:02 | Paprica | sh-elf-as -o start.o start.s |
| 16:29:02 | Paprica | sh-elf-gcc -O -I../firmware/export -I../firmware/include -m1 -Wall -Wstrict-pro |
| 16:29:02 | Paprica | totypes -c -o sh-stub.o sh-stub.c |
| 16:29:02 | Paprica | sh-stub.c: In function `code_for_catch_exception': |
| 16:29:02 | Paprica | sh-stub.c:1285: error: invalid `asm': invalid expression as operand |
| 16:29:02 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 16:29:02 | Paprica | sh-stub.c:1286: error: invalid `asm': invalid expression as operand |
| 16:29:04 | Paprica | make[1]: *** [sh-stub.o] Error 1 |
| 16:29:06 | Paprica | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 16:33:49 | ep0ch | Paprica: what OS? |
| 16:34:15 | * | preglow requests to be shot |
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| 16:34:35 | * | lostlogic brings inthe roulette bot |
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| 16:36:09 | ep0ch | lostlogic: am just about to try your new pcm routine :) |
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| 16:36:56 | lostlogic | ep0ch: fun −− report bugs on the sourceforge patch tracker −− including more specifics on the ones I know about if you have any. |
| 16:37:22 | lostlogic | grr, why does my assemblified pcmbuf_callback freeze on the last few samples!? |
| 16:37:51 | ep0ch | lostlogic: i doubt i'll be testing voice or crossfeed though |
| 16:38:18 | lostlogic | ep0ch: hehe, seems testers for those parts are hard to come by −− at least paul hit voice a little bit, but not on the latest version... |
| 16:39:00 | ep0ch | well i dont want to hear those illegal voice files ;) |
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| 16:39:07 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 16:43:04 | Paprica | ep0ch, windows =\ |
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| 16:57:15 | DCfan | hi people |
| 16:57:30 | Paprica | éï |
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| 16:58:01 | DCfan | i've got a big problem : i've set the backlight on my h320 to OFF and now my screen is always black |
| 16:58:03 | DCfan | :( |
| 16:58:19 | Maxime | DCfan: just edit the settings? |
| 16:58:23 | preglow | haha |
| 16:58:25 | muesli__ | lcd-remote available? |
| 16:58:27 | linuxstb | Hold down record as you are booting to reset the settings to the defaults :) |
| 16:58:29 | preglow | screen is turned off when the backlight is |
| 16:58:40 | DCfan | thx |
| 16:58:42 | | Part Pi |
| 16:58:47 | preglow | perhaps we should consider making that setting illegal |
| 16:58:49 | linuxstb | I think that should be classed as a bug :) |
| 16:58:58 | lostlogic | I suggested that at one point |
| 16:59:02 | lostlogic | but amiconn pointed out blind users |
| 16:59:14 | Rob2222_ | Bger : There? |
| 16:59:25 | linuxstb | Maybe we should make it a separate "disable LCD" type option. |
| 16:59:35 | DCfan | ok |
| 16:59:51 | lostlogic | yah, maybe. |
| 16:59:53 | DCfan | i've reset the settings |
| 16:59:54 | DCfan | thx alot |
| 16:59:55 | amiconn | Another option just for that single purpose? |
| 16:59:56 | muesli__ | and please sleeptimer in 1minute steps :o |
| 16:59:57 | ep0ch | did turning off the lcd make it into ihp-1x0? |
| 16:59:59 | preglow | blind users is no excuse for that setting |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:14 | preglow | it's confusing for everyone else |
| 17:00:17 | lostlogic | ep0ch: you don't want tot urn it off on the H1x0 becaus eyou can use it w/o backlight |
| 17:00:50 | Paprica | [17:34:47] <ep0ch> Paprica: what OS? |
| 17:00:53 | preglow | if backlight is turned off completely, then at least the screen turn-off should be disabled |
| 17:00:57 | Paprica | windows.. |
| 17:01:03 | ep0ch | but i'd quite like having the lcd off |
| 17:01:05 | preglow | it's not logical to be able to switch off the display completely |
| 17:01:40 | linuxstb | It is for blind users, or when the lcd remote can be used as a complete replacement for the main unit's LCD. |
| 17:01:50 | Moos | yes, like suggested linuxstb, that need one option imho |
| 17:02:39 | ep0ch | Paprica: ah didn't have that problem on cygwin when i did it a while back, but i had a similar kind of error on freebsd as i was using make instead of gmake. |
| 17:03:08 | Paprica | =\ |
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| 17:03:52 | ep0ch | it is logical to me to turn the lcd off to save a little power, its not like i stare at the screen all the time while listening to music |
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| 17:04:26 | preglow | the power you save is negligible |
| 17:04:30 | ep0ch | i know |
| 17:04:47 | preglow | i think that display can be turned off when backlight is enabled for some period of time |
| 17:04:59 | preglow | but when backlight is always disabled... |
| 17:05:02 | preglow | that's a trap for users |
| 17:05:12 | preglow | and i think it should be fixed |
| 17:05:41 | LinusN | i'm fixing it now |
| 17:05:44 | preglow | goodie |
| 17:05:59 | preglow | LinusN: btw, we need more opers in here, you guys are never around when the annoying shitheads move in :) |
| 17:06:47 | Rob2222_ | LinusN: Do you take out that option? |
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| 17:07:10 | LinusN | yes |
| 17:07:13 | Rob2222_ | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7582689724 <= !!!! |
| 17:07:24 | Rob2222_ | oh. :( |
| 17:07:58 | muesli__ | sick |
| 17:08:22 | LinusN | that was an expensive one |
| 17:08:30 | ep0ch | speaking of ebay, someone is selling brand new ipod videos for EUR 135 from China, that can't be right can it? |
| 17:09:01 | ep0ch | and refurbished photos for EUR 100 |
| 17:09:07 | amiconn | LinusN: Imho the backlight off with lcd completely off is a good thing and should stay |
| 17:09:40 | LinusN | amiconn: so what do you do when you accidentally turn it off? |
| 17:09:48 | preglow | amiconn: why is it a good thing? |
| 17:09:48 | amiconn | Turn it on again |
| 17:09:52 | preglow | you save almost no power |
| 17:09:56 | amiconn | ?? |
| 17:09:59 | lostlogic | preglow: not true on the H3x0 |
| 17:10:03 | lostlogic | or any device with a larger framebuffer |
| 17:10:06 | LinusN | amiconn: how? if you have left the menu, you're in trouble |
| 17:10:18 | amiconn | LinusN: 3 options at least |
| 17:10:33 | preglow | i think any option that leaves you blind is a bad thing |
| 17:10:39 | preglow | and shouldn't even be considered |
| 17:10:46 | preglow | just fixed by default |
| 17:10:57 | amiconn | (1) Go to the menu item by knowing the sequence. (2) Do it from the lcd remote. (3) Reset settings |
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| 17:11:09 | LinusN | amiconn: which lcd remote? |
| 17:11:22 | amiconn | H1x0 or H3x0 |
| 17:11:34 | LinusN | the h3x0 doesn't come with an lcd remote |
| 17:11:38 | amiconn | You don't even need the buttons working correctly |
| 17:12:13 | Rob2222_ | Well, I would prefer to let the option in, too. |
| 17:12:28 | Rob2222_ | We can make the button combination in the FAQ/wiki |
| 17:12:47 | Rob2222_ | REC => reset is very simple, too |
| 17:12:52 | linuxstb | I'm happy with the option as well - but I think it needs to be harder to enable. |
| 17:12:54 | preglow | and undersirable |
| 17:12:59 | ep0ch | and keep updating the wiki every time the settings layout is changed |
| 17:13:05 | Rob2222_ | yes @ linuxstb |
| 17:13:15 | Rob2222_ | a extra option to disable |
| 17:13:25 | Rob2222_ | maybe with a "sure?" question |
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| 17:16:23 | linuxstb | Or how about making the LCD always come on when Rockbox boots - for (e.g.) 20 seconds. |
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| 17:16:57 | linuxstb | (I'm not sure if that would be simple to implement though) |
| 17:17:49 | muesli__ | but sounds good |
| 17:17:57 | muesli__ | 10s are enough |
| 17:19:39 | elinenbe | preglow: did you completly remove the custom eq? |
| 17:19:58 | preglow | elinenbe: hmm? |
| 17:20:28 | preglow | i haven't done anything but add a new eq |
| 17:20:30 | preglow | software based |
| 17:20:55 | elinenbe | I was just reading through the commits, and it looked like you reverted back? |
| 17:21:37 | preglow | lostlogic removed parts of it because i was half-asleep when commiting yesterday |
| 17:21:44 | preglow | now i fixed it again commited what he reverted |
| 17:21:55 | preglow | insert "and" somewhere there |
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| 17:23:03 | lostlogic | I seemed to be on "make things work in the interim" duty last night... being backwards in time from all you europeans :-P |
| 17:24:23 | lostlogic | w00t! fixed my assembly pcmbuf_callback |
| 17:24:40 | preglow | \o/ |
| 17:24:58 | LinusN | so, how do we want color selection to work? |
| 17:25:36 | LinusN | the current color selection patch uses a config file which assigns names to rgb cobinations |
| 17:25:50 | LinusN | and then you select colors from a menu with those names |
| 17:26:06 | LinusN | that approach has two drawbacks: |
| 17:26:26 | LinusN | 1) You can't define custom colors without a pc |
| 17:26:47 | LinusN | 2) Localization is not easy |
| 17:26:50 | amiconn | RGB sliders I'd thik |
| 17:26:54 | amiconn | *think |
| 17:27:13 | LinusN | amiconn: that's probably the way to go |
| 17:27:16 | preglow | i agree |
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| 17:28:23 | * | amiconn wonders why colour seletion would be that important |
| 17:29:19 | elinenbe | amiconn: people love their customizations... look how big skins are with media software! |
| 17:30:00 | preglow | amiconn: i think you have to reconcile with the fact that you're not our typical user, heh |
| 17:30:36 | Paprica | i think different font for the wps will be a good feature too |
| 17:30:45 | LinusN | i'd personally like to be able to set my own bg/fg colors |
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| 17:31:16 | dufuS | bye bye |
| 17:31:18 | preglow | i don't care |
| 17:31:22 | dufuS | thanks for help |
| 17:31:25 | preglow | but if someone makes me a good wps, then hooray |
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| 17:31:51 | Paprica | mm LinusN, you will add an option to different color for the wps? |
| 17:31:52 | LinusN | yes, a separate wps font might be a good thing |
| 17:31:58 | Paprica | or a same color for all? |
| 17:32:07 | LinusN | also, separate wps fg/bg colors too |
| 17:32:12 | linuxstb | I think there's a demand for more than a simple fg/bg customistation - i.e. different colours for different elements of the ui, such as menus, file browser, status bar, splashes etc. |
| 17:32:14 | LinusN | maybe even per line |
| 17:32:23 | LinusN | linuxstb: of course |
| 17:32:59 | linuxstb | For WPS, I think we should have fg/bg colour tags that work properly with scrolling text. |
| 17:33:18 | linuxstb | We need a UI person working full-time...... |
| 17:33:23 | preglow | yes we do |
| 17:33:28 | Paprica | hihi |
| 17:33:30 | * | LinusN looks at paprica |
| 17:33:40 | Rob2222_ | Customizabe BG/FG color in settings would be nice, too |
| 17:33:41 | Paprica | hooooo |
| 17:34:17 | LinusN | dinner! |
| 17:34:20 | * | Paprica redden |
| 17:34:31 | Paprica | ;] |
| 17:35:54 | lostlogic | gcc: 27 instructions, lostlogic: 19 instructions (typical pcmbuf_callback path) |
| 17:36:10 | fairway | flac playing is great on ipod |
| 17:36:16 | linuxstb | Another amusing danger of configurable fg/bg colours would be setting them both the same. We should probably stop that happening. |
| 17:36:46 | linuxstb | fairplay: You've had no problems with it? |
| 17:37:11 | fairway | nope |
| 17:37:23 | fairway | except with mp3 |
| 17:38:17 | Paprica | the eq is working on h3xx? |
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| 17:38:58 | linuxstb | fairplay: If you have a few minutes, could you look at the new ipod installation wiki page, and let me know if you can spot any mistakes. I don't use windows, so I may have mis-remembered some things - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 17:39:23 | linuxstb | Also, what's your problem with mp3? Do they skip sometimes? |
| 17:39:49 | fairway | linuxstb: I noticed that the roxbox screen does not fit the full screen |
| 17:40:12 | fairway | linuxstb: I had to forward skip to make them play |
| 17:40:20 | linuxstb | Yes - the "wps" screens are not designed for the ipod. We should have some nice full-colour ones soon... |
| 17:40:44 | elinenbe | linuxstb: what is the status of ogg on the ipod? |
| 17:40:53 | linuxstb | Yes, that's a general audio playback bug - if you skip to the next track, you have to seek a little to get it to play. |
| 17:40:54 | preglow | elinenbe: works fine |
| 17:41:02 | preglow | elinenbe: with more work to be done, of course |
| 17:41:08 | elinenbe | the wiki needs to be updated then... |
| 17:41:17 | preglow | i fixed it yesterday |
| 17:41:21 | linuxstb | My highest bitrate file was about 219kbps, and that was fine. |
| 17:41:27 | elinenbe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 17:41:27 | preglow | 265 here, worked fine |
| 17:41:31 | Slasheri | hmm, btw could you recommend any good earbuds? I would like to get those which has good sound isolations but also good quality.. I was thinking maybe koss spark plug or koss the plug would work? |
| 17:41:42 | elinenbe | the bottom is incorrect |
| 17:42:01 | elinenbe | I'm going to get a nano today! :-) |
| 17:42:31 | preglow | good! |
| 17:42:37 | linuxstb | elinenbe: That table should probably have "realtime on ipod" and "Realtime on iriver" columns - the "plays" and "seeks" columns should be player-neutral (after we fix the Musepack bug) |
| 17:42:41 | fairway | linuxstb: yep it looks good |
| 17:42:49 | preglow | i'll have a look at musepack right now |
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| 17:43:01 | lostlogic | Slasheri: I use shure E3 and I love them... Lear used to use them too, but had problems with the cords that go over the ears cracking, I hear good things about the Etymotic Research in-ear phones too |
| 17:43:32 | Slasheri | lostlogic: hmm, i will check those too, thanks :) |
| 17:44:12 | lostlogic | Slasheri: shure are pricier −− the E2 is their "consumer" level and those retail at ~60-80USD, E3 are anywhere from $115-$180 |
| 17:45:06 | Slasheri | ah, interesting.. Shure sounds like a good brand.. I will find some reviews and try to find where i could buy them :) |
| 17:45:30 | lostlogic | :) |
| 17:45:30 | fairway | flac and ogg playing is gapless right? |
| 17:45:35 | preglow | yea |
| 17:45:36 | Slasheri | yes |
| 17:45:38 | preglow | gapless works as it should |
| 17:46:05 | lostlogic | Slasheri: not that you probably have the time, but I'm about to upload a new patch for the pcmbuf stuff with the now working assembly version of the callback |
| 17:46:26 | elinenbe | preglow, linuxstb: what IS NOT working on the ipod build −− from a user point of view? |
| 17:46:44 | Slasheri | lostlogic: ah, good. I try to have some time soon to look into that |
| 17:47:00 | lostlogic | Slasheri: :) |
| 17:47:19 | linuxstb | elinenbe: No battery status is an obvious omission. As is no volume control or other sound settings |
| 17:47:21 | preglow | elinenbe: sound settings, ui is pretty sluggish, battery view |
| 17:47:40 | DocterD | Slasheri: Stay away from koss the plug |
| 17:47:48 | fairway | the rockbox screen does not fit the full screen |
| 17:47:57 | fairway | if I select themes they are displayed wrong |
| 17:47:57 | Slasheri | DocterD: hehe.. probably i will :D |
| 17:48:38 | DocterD | hmm anyone tried Etymotic ER-6i? |
| 17:49:01 | linuxstb | fairway: The themes are displayed correctly, is just that the themes were designed for the iRiver H140 - a smaller LCD with greyscale. |
| 17:49:03 | DocterD | i heared shure e2 have to much bass |
| 17:49:04 | preglow | fairway: themes have to be custom tailored for each platform now |
| 17:49:17 | fairway | preglow: I see |
| 17:49:17 | preglow | this will probably not change |
| 17:49:37 | linuxstb | But the iPod Color/Photo and iriver H300 can share themes. |
| 17:50:57 | elinenbe | ah... that is a slight problem −− volume control would be the number one issue. |
| 17:51:01 | fairway | how do manage files just drag directories? |
| 17:51:08 | elinenbe | is the UI sluggish because of the LCD driver? |
| 17:51:11 | preglow | wtf |
| 17:51:16 | preglow | musepack gives me some really odd behaviour |
| 17:51:29 | preglow | when i load a musepack file, nothing happens, at the file is loaded again and again... |
| 17:51:42 | linuxstb | fairway: Yes - just drag and drop directories. |
| 17:52:35 | linuxstb | elinenbe: At the moment we are only using one of the iPod's two ARM cpus. That cpu is pretty busy when decoding audio, not leaving much time left for the ui. The LCD driver can be improved, but is probably not the bottleneck. |
| 17:52:40 | fairway | nice |
| 17:52:59 | linuxstb | You can uninstall itunes now if you wish :) |
| 17:53:13 | fairway | yes really hate it |
| 17:53:50 | linuxstb | Another issue will probably be battery life. I'm about to start a battery test now to see how long my ipod can play FLAC files for on a full charge. |
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| 17:54:49 | Slasheri | lostlogic: Hmm, there seems to be shure E4 also.. but maybe i will stick with E3, those are much cheaper :D |
| 17:54:58 | preglow | my guess is: not for long |
| 17:55:21 | lostlogic | Slasheri: yeah, there's also a new model coming out from shure E400 or something that have 3 drivers in an in-ear design... not sure what the pricing will be. |
| 17:55:41 | Slasheri | hehe, i guess pretty high :) |
| 17:55:44 | lostlogic | Slasheri: the only complaint some people have with E3 is that they don't have pounding bass, but the overall sound quality is great |
| 17:55:54 | linuxstb | preglow: I am hoping we may be surprised - we sleep one of the CPUs, and we use the hard drive as efficiently as we can. But I'm curious. |
| 17:56:02 | muesli__ | Slasheri i know a guy who used shure e4 and is now completely happy with his ultimate ears pro |
| 17:56:14 | Slasheri | hmm, that shouldn't be too much an issue.. And iriver has an EQ |
| 17:56:27 | Slasheri | muesli :) |
| 17:56:32 | muesli__ | :) |
| 17:56:39 | elinenbe | linuxstb: is the information available to use the second ARM cpu? What I am trying to say is does the IPL project use that? |
| 17:56:44 | muesli__ | i love my ue eb :D |
| 17:56:54 | muesli__ | but didnt try shure |
| 17:56:56 | fairway | yes I agree sound should be fixed |
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| 17:58:12 | linuxstb | elinenbe: Yes, how to use the second CPU is well-known by the IPL project. |
| 17:58:40 | linuxstb | They use it to feed the uncompressed audio data to the DAC - we're doing that on the main CPU at the moment. |
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| 18:01:10 | elinenbe | linuxstb: sounds good... by not using the 2nd CPU are you saving battery, or it is just easier to start theat way because rockbox is a one CPU OS right now? |
| 18:01:18 | Slasheri | lostlogic: Hmm, i think i will just order those E4s today.. :) |
| 18:01:31 | preglow | elinenbe: the last |
| 18:01:39 | ep0ch | is it just me or has rockbox suddenly become very sluggish? i.e the gui is unusable for about 10 seconds then dircache seems to kick in and all is well after that. no fancy wps is being used. |
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| 18:01:55 | lostlogic | Slasheri: rock on :) |
| 18:02:34 | Paprica | mm there is a mailing list for all commit? |
| 18:02:45 | lostlogic | Paprica: rockbox-cvs ml yes |
| 18:04:01 | Paprica | paprica at gmail.com.. |
| 18:04:12 | Paprica | but i dont get a mail on all the commits |
| 18:05:01 | preglow | blah |
| 18:05:04 | * | preglow listens to musepack |
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| 18:08:29 | fairway | preglow: is it working now? |
| 18:08:45 | preglow | yes |
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| 18:09:23 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Realtime? |
| 18:09:28 | preglow | oh yes |
| 18:09:54 | preglow | even extreme files |
| 18:10:05 | linuxstb_ | Nice. I'll just change the wiki page again.... |
| 18:10:14 | preglow | i really had to fight the coldfire version to achieve this level... |
| 18:11:26 | linuxstb_ | I can imagine compressed video being very feasible on these ipods. |
| 18:11:46 | linuxstb_ | Not easy, but feasible. |
| 18:13:00 | linuxstb_ | I wonder what's up with ALAC though... |
| 18:13:05 | preglow | yeah, the cpu is a bit easier to work with |
| 18:13:08 | * | preglow fires up the disassembler |
| 18:13:59 | elinenbe | linuxstb: compressed video as custom format like the IPL project, or standar avi packed xvid/mp3, divx/mp3 or mpg? |
| 18:14:44 | preglow | ahahha |
| 18:14:52 | preglow | the funny part is, i can find tons of spots to optimise straight away |
| 18:16:35 | preglow | gcc is a really, really stupid little twit |
| 18:16:39 | linuxstb_ | elinenbe: I'm only speculating, but it feels as if something like xvid/mp3 should in theory be possible. |
| 18:17:03 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Are you talking about musepack? |
| 18:17:07 | preglow | yes |
| 18:17:16 | muesli__ | ist that remote fully supported btw? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5860083550&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT |
| 18:17:40 | * | preglow is copying music to his ipod |
| 18:17:42 | preglow | feels good, it does |
| 18:18:36 | linuxstb_ | Looking at alac, gcc doesn't seem to be using any of the extended multiplication instructions... |
| 18:18:49 | elinenbe | nice update at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 18:19:03 | preglow | linuxstb_: for musepack, it uses smull, beter never smlal |
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| 18:19:09 | preglow | linuxstb_: which it seriously should consider |
| 18:19:15 | linuxstb_ | preglow: It was simply an endian problem then? |
| 18:19:20 | preglow | linuxstb_: yup |
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| 18:19:35 | linuxstb_ | Did that break the sims as well? |
| 18:19:39 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 18:19:44 | preglow | i never use sims |
| 18:19:48 | linuxstb_ | Anyway, all is good now :) |
| 18:20:05 | preglow | why, indeed |
| 18:20:37 | linuxstb_ | iPod FLAC playback test is now 20 minutes and counting..... :) |
| 18:21:41 | preglow | are you working on sound settings, btw? |
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| 18:22:37 | linuxstb_ | No, I'm doing "real work" at the moment. I have a non-working patch I could give you if you wanted to have a go. |
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| 18:23:14 | fairway | see my ipod playing: http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/6522/p10002780qv.jpg |
| 18:24:05 | muesli__ | what horrible literature are u reading? ;) |
| 18:24:11 | preglow | linuxstb_: sure, why not |
| 18:24:21 | preglow | need to switch over to real work soon myself, though |
| 18:24:34 | linuxstb_ | One moment, I'll upload a patch. |
| 18:24:40 | * | lostlogic in real work transition already :( |
| 18:24:53 | preglow | i'd just like volume working as soon as possible so i can start using this little bugger |
| 18:25:02 | linuxstb_ | You should also get a copy of the WM8971 or WM8750 datasheet. |
| 18:25:06 | preglow | yeap |
| 18:25:36 | linuxstb_ | (they both seem register-compatible with each other and the ipod's dac) |
| 18:25:45 | preglow | how lucky for us |
| 18:25:50 | fairway | linuxstb_: for how long do you estimate flac playing? |
| 18:26:08 | preglow | oh, i've got so much i can turn my attention to now |
| 18:26:16 | preglow | a whole slew of new codec opts |
| 18:26:20 | preglow | eq port to arm |
| 18:26:24 | preglow | lowlevel stuff |
| 18:26:34 | linuxstb_ | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sound.diff |
| 18:26:45 | lostlogic | I'm impressed at how quickly things got realtime on the ipod... damn that 80mhz arm for beating up my 124mhz coldfire. |
| 18:27:19 | linuxstb_ | It's an unfinished work-in-progress. Uncommenting the call to wm8975_set_master_vol() _should_ work, but for some reason ends up muting the sound. |
| 18:27:21 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah, overall, it seems to be easier to work with |
| 18:27:43 | preglow | but our iram work for coldfire has probably helped lots |
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| 18:27:52 | elinenbe | lostlogic: i agree... everything was up and running very quickly... amazing work by preglow and linuxstb_ |
| 18:28:05 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Also, the call to wm8975_set_master_vol() should be called with the variables "l" and "r", not the constants 0x79 - that was just a test. |
| 18:28:07 | lostlogic | preglow: yeah, coldfire was the first swcodec system, so I guess that gives it some excuse :-P |
| 18:30:26 | preglow | yeah |
| 18:30:29 | ep0ch | is the audio buffer debug screen working on ipod? |
| 18:30:35 | preglow | also, most of rockbox has been easy to work with |
| 18:30:41 | preglow | most parts just suddenly started working |
| 18:30:45 | preglow | ep0ch: yes |
| 18:30:46 | lostlogic | lol |
| 18:31:12 | ep0ch | oh but there's no boosting on ipod yet? |
| 18:31:26 | linuxstb_ | No - it runs at a fixed 75MHz. |
| 18:31:26 | ep0ch | so you can't tell how well codecs are really doing |
| 18:32:05 | linuxstb_ | No - only by the UI lag... |
| 18:32:17 | ep0ch | heh |
| 18:34:32 | preglow | i was thinking of trying to do some rudimentary boost code now |
| 18:34:50 | Paprica | rrr |
| 18:34:55 | Paprica | http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3889/dump0601291934333em.png |
| 18:34:56 | preglow | just need to touch up eq code so it is arm ready |
| 18:35:07 | Paprica | what wrong with the bottom part |
| 18:35:08 | Paprica | =\ |
| 18:36:17 | elinenbe | Paprica: nice... multiple color fonts. |
| 18:36:23 | linuxstb_ | fairway: I've just started a FLAC playback test about 30 minutes ago - I'll let you know when my ipod dies... |
| 18:36:40 | Paprica | nice but somthing wrong with the progress |
| 18:36:50 | Paprica | and i dont know why |
| 18:37:08 | elinenbe | now.... you just need to rework the font system so we can have multiple fonts on the same screen! |
| 18:38:26 | lostlogic | elinenbe: don't think that's going to happen |
| 18:38:28 | lostlogic | http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3889/dump0601291934333em.png |
| 18:38:34 | lostlogic | gah, sorry, misclick |
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| 18:39:04 | Paprica | mm |
| 18:39:16 | Paprica | dont think on what? |
| 18:39:17 | Paprica | multiple fonts? |
| 18:39:22 | lostlogic | right |
| 18:40:01 | Paprica | why? |
| 18:40:08 | Paprica | we cant do it? |
| 18:40:43 | lostlogic | Paprica: fonts take up a lot of space |
| 18:41:12 | Paprica | [::] <LinusN> yes, a separate wps font might be a good thing |
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| 18:41:43 | lostlogic | Paprica: sure, 1 for each screen still, biut not multiple on one screen |
| 18:41:52 | Paprica | ah |
| 18:42:05 | Paprica | this what i meant |
| 18:42:08 | Paprica | =] |
| 18:42:56 | Slasheri | lostlogic: thanks, now i have ordered the E4s :) lets hope those will arrive soon ;) |
| 18:43:26 | lostlogic | Slasheri: cool −− I couldn't quite justify the cost of E4 for myself... maybe next set. |
| 18:44:46 | preglow | how much are they? |
| 18:44:53 | ep0ch | wow E4s sure are expensive |
| 18:45:29 | ep0ch | like 299 USD on ebay |
| 18:45:37 | muesli__ | http://cgi.ebay.de/ULTIMATE-EARS-SUPER-FI-5EB-EARPHONES-NEW-SEALED_W0QQitemZ5859640936QQcategoryZ111693QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:45:38 | ep0ch | :s |
| 18:45:39 | muesli__ | woho |
| 18:45:41 | muesli__ | gift |
| 18:46:46 | ep0ch | hmm i wouldnt trust some headphones called "ultimate ears" |
| 18:46:55 | ghode|afk | don't the EBs stick out of your ears alot? |
| 18:46:56 | muesli__ | google for it |
| 18:47:04 | muesli__ | ghode|afk kind of yes |
| 18:47:20 | ghode|afk | have you used the E2s? would be nice to know which one sticks out more |
| 18:47:42 | muesli__ | i know a guy who used e3 and changed to ue |
| 18:48:06 | muesli__ | google for ue...there are loads of previews |
| 18:48:47 | muesli__ | reviews |
| 18:48:48 | ghode|afk | i know the ue's, but i have the e2s atm and they stick out quite a bit |
| 18:49:09 | muesli__ | g2g..need some food |
| 18:49:29 | vger_ | I've got the E4, and I think they fit under my motorcycle helmet |
| 18:49:57 | ghode|afk | e4s and e2s are different shapes though |
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| 18:53:23 | preglow | eq wont be this efficient for arm :/ |
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| 19:05:11 | lostlogic | preglow: yeah, the lack of MAC will hurt |
| 19:06:08 | preglow | oh, we have a mac instruction |
| 19:06:33 | preglow | i was thinking more that i don't have enough registers |
| 19:06:43 | lostlogic | ah |
| 19:06:52 | preglow | the mac instructions are probably slower, thoug |
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| 19:08:14 | LinusN | Paprica: do you feel ready with the margin patch? |
| 19:08:29 | Paprica | mm yep |
| 19:08:32 | Paprica | i think its good |
| 19:09:32 | LinusN | preglow: no msac on arm? |
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| 19:12:16 | NicoFR | i just saw the new SoundCodecs page... impressive progress on iPod :) |
| 19:12:27 | preglow | LinusN: correct |
| 19:12:47 | Paprica | LinusN, you have some idea why it happens? |
| 19:12:48 | Paprica | http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3654/dump0601292011432iy.png |
| 19:12:50 | NicoFR | but this makes me wonder : is anyone working on optimizing AAC on iriver ? |
| 19:13:14 | LinusN | Paprica: "it"? |
| 19:13:19 | amiconn | preglow: I didn't look at your eq code, but the lack of msac shouldn't be a problem imho |
| 19:13:27 | Paprica | mm |
| 19:13:29 | Paprica | =\ |
| 19:13:40 | preglow | amiconn: how? |
| 19:13:42 | LinusN | amiconn: check the cvs, he solved it |
| 19:13:56 | amiconn | First accumulate everything that should be subtracted, then invert accumulator, then accumulate everything that needs to be added |
| 19:14:07 | preglow | amiconn: well, i solved it in a more efficient way |
| 19:14:16 | amiconn | how? |
| 19:14:23 | preglow | just negated the coefs that needed to be subtracted |
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| 19:14:36 | preglow | they're constants anyway |
| 19:14:37 | amiconn | Ah, these are constant |
| 19:14:42 | amiconn | So no problem |
| 19:14:48 | Paprica | so LinusN, you know why it happens? |
| 19:14:58 | LinusN | Paprica: what happens? |
| 19:15:04 | LinusN | what is wrong? |
| 19:15:07 | Paprica | look at the picture |
| 19:15:08 | Paprica | http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3654/dump0601292011432iy.png |
| 19:15:13 | Paprica | in the buttom |
| 19:15:15 | LinusN | i am looking at it |
| 19:15:40 | LinusN | the background is showing? |
| 19:15:40 | Paprica | and? |
| 19:15:44 | preglow | i need something edible, brb |
| 19:15:46 | Paprica | mm yep |
| 19:15:57 | Paprica | when i do a |
| 19:15:59 | Paprica | FF |
| 19:16:03 | Paprica | its ok |
| 19:16:19 | Paprica | but if going to the menu and back to the wps |
| 19:16:32 | Paprica | it happens again |
| 19:16:37 | LinusN | that's because the last line doesn't fit, so nothing is rendered |
| 19:16:46 | Paprica | mm |
| 19:16:51 | * | preglow brings his ipod for music! |
| 19:16:53 | Paprica | look at the progress bar too |
| 19:17:33 | LinusN | Paprica: at some point, the screen is cleared with lcd_clear_display() |
| 19:17:40 | LinusN | with the default bg color |
| 19:17:53 | LinusN | that's when the wps is completely redrawn |
| 19:18:01 | Paprica | oh |
| 19:18:01 | LinusN | like when you return from a menu |
| 19:18:13 | Paprica | ok |
| 19:19:34 | Paprica | i didnt find the lcd clear display =\ |
| 19:19:38 | Paprica | bluh |
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| 19:21:40 | Paprica | ok just found it |
| 19:22:34 | LinusN | good |
| 19:23:15 | NicoFR | Paprica: looks like there's a bug with your color changer patch and the new commit about caching wps image files... |
| 19:23:28 | Paprica | what? |
| 19:23:43 | Paprica | i dont commit my color changer yet |
| 19:23:56 | NicoFR | i know |
| 19:24:08 | Paprica | .. |
| 19:24:10 | NicoFR | but i've been useing that color changer patch |
| 19:24:24 | NicoFR | and with the recent "Cache wps image files to allow really fast boot." commit, there is a bug |
| 19:24:42 | Paprica | i dont do it |
| 19:24:54 | Paprica | mm |
| 19:24:57 | NicoFR | do what ? |
| 19:24:59 | Paprica | what is the bug |
| 19:25:00 | Paprica | ? |
| 19:25:48 | NicoFR | when i load a wps with colors different from the default ones, then reboot, the wps images are all garbage |
| 19:26:30 | Paprica | =\ |
| 19:28:42 | Paprica | mm linus, you think that a variable with the "clear display" color, will be good solution? |
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| 19:28:59 | Paprica | or there is a else one |
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| 19:30:48 | NicoFR | Paprica: http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d49565774e484ef03c0b752db5186f5d931b7cb176ac3ed7d6c37/dump400102-041801.bmp |
| 19:31:20 | NicoFR | it was supposed to be your ipod color wps |
| 19:31:27 | NicoFR | have you been able to reproduce ? |
| 19:31:43 | Paprica | mm i cant see the image |
| 19:32:00 | lostlogic | have to save and open in another program, browsers don't show bmps |
| 19:32:11 | amiconn | Paprica: lcd_clear_display() uses the current background colour |
| 19:32:17 | Paprica | i know |
| 19:32:23 | NicoFR | other link : http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/dump%20400102-041801.bmp |
| 19:32:32 | Paprica | but i try to do a different color for wps and menus |
| 19:32:49 | Paprica | so when it does a clear display |
| 19:32:53 | NicoFR | i have to go but i'll read your answers |
| 19:33:03 | Paprica | its use the default bg |
| 19:33:41 | Paprica | NicoFR, really dont know |
| 19:33:41 | Paprica | =\ |
| 19:34:49 | amiconn | NicoFR: I guess it's the wps bitmap caching... |
| 19:35:40 | amiconn | Me notices quite some non-KISS code slipping in cvs recently :/ |
| 19:36:10 | lostlogic | KISS? |
| 19:36:11 | Paprica | mm amiconn, so what can i do? |
| 19:36:37 | amiconn | lostlogic: Keep It Simple, Stupid |
| 19:36:59 | amiconn | One of rockbox' principles - don't make code more complex than necessary |
| 19:37:38 | lostlogic | yah, a very good one, wish my company used it |
| 19:38:13 | LinusN | amiconn: which code are you referring to? |
| 19:39:23 | amiconn | e.g. wps bitmap caching |
| 19:39:32 | LinusN | i can agree with that |
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| 19:40:54 | LinusN | the slow wps loading should imho be solved with single-bitmap skins instead of bitmap caching |
| 19:41:18 | amiconn | yeps |
| 19:41:38 | LinusN | Slasheri: u there? |
| 19:42:04 | Slasheri | LinusN: hi, yes :) |
| 19:42:17 | LinusN | i guess you read our conversation :-) |
| 19:42:52 | Slasheri | LinusN: hehe, not yet :) i just came from sauna ;) |
| 19:42:57 | LinusN | hereafter, we shall call you by the name "Cacheri" |
| 19:43:04 | Slasheri | :D |
| 19:43:21 | amiconn | I like Flasheri more... |
| 19:43:22 | LinusN | i think the bmp cache is overkill |
| 19:43:49 | LinusN | and as amiconn called it, "non-KISS" |
| 19:44:06 | Slasheri | yep, i think it might be too.. i just created as simple solution as possible until there is a better solution for that.. |
| 19:44:20 | LinusN | i didn't even know there was a problem |
| 19:45:04 | Slasheri | hehe, not a problem exactly. But loading a wps with over 10 image files at boot time, takes quite a long time (in many seconds) because open() without dircache is slow |
| 19:45:24 | Slasheri | so this will give quite significant boost in boot time |
| 19:45:28 | LinusN | you young people have such a short attention span, can't even wait for the wps to load...when i was young, we had to wait... |
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| 19:45:38 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:45:47 | LinusN | :-) |
| 19:45:49 | lostlogic | lol −− how old are you, LinusN? |
| 19:45:55 | LinusN | 36 |
| 19:46:04 | LinusN | old and grumpy |
| 19:46:09 | lostlogic | hehe :) |
| 19:46:32 | Slasheri | i am only 21 ;) |
| 19:46:36 | lostlogic | 23 |
| 19:46:44 | LinusN | and i'm nowadays even a ipod-hater, it seems... |
| 19:47:00 | Rob2222 | 27 ^^ |
| 19:47:02 | lostlogic | LinusN: I'm still loathe to buy an iPod despite the gorgeous screen |
| 19:47:07 | Rob2222 | im second ^^ |
| 19:47:16 | amiconn | Slasheri: If so, imho a better approach would be to tune the ata driver... |
| 19:48:03 | LinusN | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2312.msg17068#msg17068 |
| 19:48:06 | amiconn | I think there must be some potential; I have the impression that ata is no faster than on the recorder, despite the faster cpu and all |
| 19:48:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, or even more better, make a small modification to the bootloader so we could load the dircache very early during rockbox startup and then make open() to so it too while locating the first cluster.. |
| 19:48:23 | Slasheri | that would make the image cache very unnecessary |
| 19:48:38 | Slasheri | so=use |
| 19:49:00 | amiconn | Loading dircache from disk is a no-go |
| 19:49:09 | Slasheri | hmm, really? |
| 19:49:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:49:15 | Slasheri | even if bootloader could know if it's safe |
| 19:49:31 | amiconn | The bootloader can't know |
| 19:49:35 | Slasheri | it can.. |
| 19:49:40 | amiconn | ? |
| 19:49:50 | amiconn | How so? You can run iriver fw |
| 19:50:03 | Slasheri | we can mark the cache as dirty when booting into original iriver firmware or using bootloader usb mode (for example change one bit from eeprom) |
| 19:50:25 | LinusN | Slasheri: the bootloader starts the original firmware before initializing ATA |
| 19:50:26 | Slasheri | i just need to check that changing those bits wont confuse the iriver fw.. |
| 19:50:38 | Slasheri | LinusN: yep, but we could probably use the eeprom :) |
| 19:50:43 | amiconn | I would prefer to keep the bootloader simple & reliable |
| 19:50:52 | LinusN | the original firmware uses the eeprom |
| 19:51:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: it wouldn't change the reliability.. there is still the reset cookie |
| 19:51:05 | LinusN | k i s s |
| 19:51:22 | Slasheri | LinusN: true, that's why it needs to be checked if it's safe to do |
| 19:51:29 | LinusN | and it isn't |
| 19:52:34 | LinusN | also, what happens if the cache file becomes corrupt for whatever reason? |
| 19:52:58 | Slasheri | LinusN: that's about the same situations as if fat becomes corrupt.. |
| 19:53:10 | LinusN | not really |
| 19:53:58 | Slasheri | in fact, we could use checksum for extra safety when loading the cache file.. |
| 19:54:09 | Rob2222 | Whats the problem here? You want to start the dircache more early? |
| 19:54:29 | Slasheri | Rob2222: that could be one possibility to boot rockbox faster |
| 19:54:56 | Rob2222 | IMHO RB is booting fast enough ... |
| 19:55:16 | Rob2222 | Looks like you never used iriver FW with 60GB files... ^^ |
| 19:55:26 | Rob2222 | At least for me is RB a dream. |
| 19:55:36 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:55:47 | Rob2222 | I dont see the need of faster booting, really. |
| 19:55:59 | LinusN | faster booting is always nice |
| 19:56:00 | Rob2222 | But thats only my honest opinion |
| 19:56:32 | Rob2222 | Yep, but I think, the bootloader should stay as simple as possible. |
| 19:56:37 | LinusN | amen |
| 19:56:40 | Rob2222 | lol |
| 19:56:59 | Rob2222 | OK, nobody wants my opinion here. :p |
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| 19:57:05 | LinusN | although the changes slasheri's reqeuesting are very minor |
| 19:57:41 | preglow | you finally discovered the bmp caching, yes? :) |
| 19:59:16 | muesli__ | using the bleeding edge time is shown as ":M Pc" (when using a wps) |
| 19:59:39 | muesli__ | just copied over the optimized build |
| 19:59:46 | preglow | i've thought a bit about the single bitmap deal for wpses, and it's very inflexibly |
| 19:59:49 | muesli__ | dunno if that interferes |
| 19:59:49 | preglow | inflexible |
| 19:59:55 | Rob2222 | we doesnt have color text in wps, yet. or? |
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| 20:00:06 | preglow | it makes life hell if you just want to such a simple thing as resize one bitmap element |
| 20:00:16 | LinusN | muesli__: to my knowledge, the time wps tags aren't in cvs |
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| 20:00:41 | XavierGr | Hello All! |
| 20:00:49 | muesli__ | ah ok. maybe it was implemented in the optimized build only |
| 20:00:51 | Rob2222 | Hello XavierGr. |
| 20:00:57 | muesli__ | hello xavierakles |
| 20:01:05 | XavierGr | :D |
| 20:01:12 | muesli__ | ;) |
| 20:01:29 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: I got "*PANIC* Stkov Battery Benchmark" error as i tried to view the playlist. |
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| 20:01:55 | XavierGr | Hmm I thought that this was solved? |
| 20:02:10 | XavierGr | Bger are you here? |
| 20:02:30 | XavierGr | Rob2222 I remember a commit on the playlist code about this. |
| 20:02:44 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: I used a build from 27.01. 22pm |
| 20:02:56 | Rob2222 | Maybe thats the cause |
| 20:03:09 | XavierGr | PLaylist uses the plugin buffer so there is aproblem when there is a tsr plugin. |
| 20:04:09 | XavierGr | No the commit about the problem was months ago... |
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| 20:05:35 | __peer__ | hello |
| 20:05:45 | __peer__ | anyone have IAudio g3 ? |
| 20:05:51 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: I just reproduces the problem. |
| 20:06:05 | Rob2222 | -s+d |
| 20:07:11 | Slasheri | ah, the bmp cache didn't save the format tag.. i will try to fix it (however, i can't test it) |
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| 20:13:44 | Paprica | LinusN, you plan to commit the margins patch? |
| 20:14:37 | LinusN | yes, if i'm happy with the code |
| 20:15:00 | LinusN | do you have plans for scroll thread colors as well? |
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| 20:15:40 | Paprica | mm im plan on color wps |
| 20:16:17 | Rob2222 | color text in wps? |
| 20:16:19 | Rob2222 | ^^ |
| 20:16:28 | Paprica | different patch from the margins |
| 20:16:32 | linuxstb__ | preglow: I agree that combined bitmaps for WPS will be a pain for users to create - unless tools are available to help. |
| 20:16:42 | Paprica | mm yep |
| 20:17:02 | lostlogic | that's how many other programs are themed though, so I'm sure they can deal... I meah H3mod for the iRiver firmware was a combined image format. |
| 20:17:57 | linuxstb__ | Does H3mod help the user with combining images, or does the user have to do it manually? |
| 20:18:07 | Slasheri | NicoFR: now the problem you were experiencing should be gone (hopefully) |
| 20:18:11 | lostlogic | not sure, never used the tool myself. |
| 20:20:06 | preglow | linuxstb__: i want the tool approach |
| 20:20:23 | preglow | and it should not be difficult to implement the tools |
| 20:20:27 | preglow | we could ever pre-parse the wps :-) |
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| 20:23:15 | linuxstb | At least for the WPSs in CVS, we can do anything we like to them. Converting to native bitmaps and combining into a single file should be relatively easy. |
| 20:24:00 | linuxstb | And we can release a tool for third-party WPS authors to do the same - or keep the current bitmap loader as an alternative. |
| 20:24:02 | amiconn | Imho that would be a bad idea |
| 20:24:21 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 20:24:24 | amiconn | Then we would have to support 2 different formats for loading |
| 20:24:33 | linuxstb | You mean keeping the old is a bad idea? |
| 20:24:40 | preglow | no, one format is enough |
| 20:24:47 | preglow | the tool should be fast enough to use during wps development |
| 20:24:56 | preglow | unless you're on a 286 |
| 20:24:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: No, I think the preparsed format is a bad idea |
| 20:25:22 | preglow | why is preparsing bad? |
| 20:25:30 | amiconn | You can't easily check what's inside such a file in case loading it goes wrong |
| 20:25:33 | preglow | would be nice to be able to edit it, of course |
| 20:25:35 | preglow | but yeah |
| 20:25:39 | preglow | pre-parsing is a non-issue for me |
| 20:25:41 | amiconn | ...and you need a PC to change it |
| 20:25:49 | preglow | i just want all the bitmap to be collected to one big bitmap |
| 20:25:57 | linuxstb | But that's like any kind of compiling. How can you change a bitmap without using a PC? |
| 20:26:07 | amiconn | Ascii files could be edited directly on the unit |
| 20:26:23 | amiconn | There is no editor yet, but that can be changed |
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| 20:26:27 | preglow | but yeah |
| 20:26:30 | preglow | my point is the bitmaps |
| 20:27:00 | amiconn | Many many skinning systems use combined bitmaps. I don't see the problem |
| 20:27:07 | preglow | it's a huge bother for the maker |
| 20:27:12 | preglow | consider resizing one bitmap |
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| 20:27:22 | preglow | how do you do that without just killing yourself from frustration? |
| 20:27:45 | linuxstb | It's also less efficient - it's not going to be possible to perfectly pack X bitmaps into a rectangle without gaps |
| 20:27:52 | preglow | i think the skinning systems you're talking about use fixed size bitmaps |
| 20:27:53 | amiconn | Shrinking is dead simple |
| 20:27:54 | preglow | we don't |
| 20:27:54 | lostlogic | that's a good point, we support bitmaps of any size, freely stuck wherever creators want them, most theming systems limit the user to filling specific bitmap 'slots', and so a combined format is static |
| 20:27:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Small error in the IpodInstallation page. ipodpatcher -r bootpartition.bin N doesn't work. The N needs to come before the filename, apparently |
| 20:28:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Already updated the Wiki, just figured I'd pass it on |
| 20:28:31 | amiconn | lostlogic: Maybe the majority does, but not all |
| 20:28:34 | preglow | amiconn: explain how one could resie one bitmap in a big bitmap grid easily |
| 20:28:40 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Ok, thanks. I was about to ask if you can could confirm that. |
| 20:28:56 | preglow | smaller is possible because you can just leave some unused space |
| 20:28:58 | preglow | bigger is lots worse |
| 20:29:00 | preglow | you need to move everything |
| 20:29:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Everything else looks good. |
| 20:29:21 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Thanks for checking. |
| 20:29:30 | amiconn | Yes, but you can move all at once |
| 20:29:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's what I'm here for. Heh |
| 20:30:01 | amiconn | It's one cut'n'paste operation in your image processor |
| 20:30:49 | preglow | amiconn: depends on how efficiently you want to use the bitmap space, it can be far worse than that |
| 20:31:14 | preglow | but ok, i rather say we ask the wps makers about this |
| 20:31:21 | preglow | i've never made a wps, and probably never will either |
| 20:31:59 | amiconn | I did, but without any bitmaps |
| 20:32:43 | preglow | so in practice you haven't either |
| 20:32:48 | preglow | since its bitmaps we're talking about |
| 20:32:53 | _FireFly_ | preglow if you save your combined bitmap "project-file" in a format which supports layer then it is easier to move/resize some subimages, in my opinion |
| 20:33:04 | preglow | _FireFly_: not everyone has photoshop |
| 20:33:12 | _FireFly_ | what about gimp ;) |
| 20:33:15 | preglow | gimp works as well, i guess |
| 20:33:24 | preglow | last time i tried that in windows, it wasn't all that, though |
| 20:33:28 | preglow | but that might easily have changed |
| 20:33:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think bitmap part could be really useful for things like... battery meters, or "status" buttons (Play/Pause/FF/RW), but it feels like it might be hassle overall. |
| 20:34:04 | _FireFly_ | for conditional images it is a good format to save a bit space |
| 20:34:25 | _FireFly_ | because one conditional image-set has mostly one size |
| 20:35:36 | _FireFly_ | the first try of my combined bitmap support patch was only to combine conditional-images e.g. Play/Pause/FF/REW |
| 20:35:42 | _FireFly_ | for testing |
| 20:38:16 | _FireFly_ | the wps which i use uses for example an 160x25 image in which all bitmaps are combined |
| 20:38:50 | _FireFly_ | this image has only 562Bytes |
| 20:39:05 | Lear | preglow: gimp works quite well on windows, imho. If not that, there's always Paint.net. |
| 20:39:45 | _FireFly_ | the size of the individual images are: ca 1,6KB |
| 20:40:59 | linuxstb | But I guess users don't have to combine _every_ bitmap into a single bitmap. A combined bitmap feature would allow users to easily combine bimaps of the same size - which would still reduce the number of bmp files by a lot. |
| 20:41:12 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 20:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think ideally, you'd combine all the bitmaps that would share the same location on a screen... any that would be in the same conditional. |
| 20:41:54 | linuxstb | So, who's going to implement combined bitmaps? :) |
| 20:41:57 | _FireFly_ | let the wps-maker deside in which way(how many images he want to combine) he will use this feature |
| 20:42:00 | preglow | it already is implemented |
| 20:42:02 | preglow | it's in a patch |
| 20:42:09 | _FireFly_ | linuxstb: my patch is ready |
| 20:42:27 | _FireFly_ | but i don't know it applies cleanly against the latest cvs |
| 20:42:40 | _FireFly_ | s/it/if it |
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| 20:43:42 | preglow | don't know what i think of doing it half-baked, though |
| 20:43:43 | _FireFly_ | linuxstb: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1368890 |
| 20:53:17 | linuxstb | _FireFly_: Sorry, I don't have any time for Rockbox this evening. Hopefully someone else can look at it and commit. |
| 20:54:38 | Moos | isn't in amiconn's territory? :) |
| 20:55:41 | _FireFly_ | linuxstb: no problem |
| 20:57:39 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 21:10:48 | Paprica | FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) |
| 21:10:49 | Paprica | what it does? |
| 21:11:04 | Paprica | this is a loop? |
| 21:11:14 | lostlogic | for targets with multiple screens, loops over the screens |
| 21:11:37 | Paprica | mmm |
| 21:11:45 | Paprica | what is the i? |
| 21:12:16 | lostlogic | you give the macro the variable you want it to use to iterate. |
| 21:12:57 | linuxstb | Paprica: Look at the definition of that macro in apps/screen_access.h |
| 21:13:06 | linuxstb | It may become clearer then. |
| 21:14:08 | preglow | it's just a way of eliminating a per-screen loop for targets with only one screen |
| 21:14:37 | Paprica | ok |
| 21:14:40 | Paprica | 10x |
| 21:15:57 | Paprica | mm you think that there is a need in more than 1 wps background color? |
| 21:16:12 | Paprica | i mean different color for each line.. |
| 21:16:22 | preglow | perhaps |
| 21:16:31 | preglow | different colours and different fonts |
| 21:16:33 | preglow | the whole shebang |
| 21:16:51 | Paprica | blah |
| 21:17:02 | Paprica | the background color did problems |
| 21:17:03 | Paprica | =\ |
| 21:17:12 | Paprica | do |
| 21:17:12 | Paprica | * |
| 21:17:14 | petur | why not implement a css/html parser? :D |
| 21:18:26 | solexx | i want a w0rd document as my wps!!!1! |
| 21:18:37 | petur | ugh |
| 21:18:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 21:19:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that you should drop background color entirely. |
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| 21:20:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Text could draw on top, and simply use images / whatever else, as its "background" |
| 21:20:23 | petur | yup - transparent text |
| 21:20:41 | __peer__ | anyone have IAudio g3 ? |
| 21:21:29 | preglow | we've got a lot of work to do before rockbox gets fully ready for colour displays |
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| 21:22:00 | petur | better not rush it and get a good system in place |
| 21:22:06 | markun | __peer__: Linus has a X5 and I don't think there are any other iAudio owners here. |
| 21:22:33 | preglow | rush it, hell no |
| 21:23:01 | preglow | but it could use some more focus from people who're interested in it, and also cares about the rest of the rockbox targets |
| 21:23:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just sayin, once text is transparent, "background color" becomes irrelevant, so multiple background colors becomes a kinda pointless discussion topic. |
| 21:24:34 | preglow | multiple background colours isn't really needed, no |
| 21:25:42 | petur | maybe some filled_rect tag? |
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| 21:26:21 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: The problem with drawing text with a transparent background is scrolling. |
| 21:27:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah, yes, it would be, wouldn't it. |
| 21:27:32 | linuxstb_ | BTW, FLAC playback on my ipod is still going after 3.5 hours :) |
| 21:27:33 | petur | the scroll routine should somehow get a copy of the whole stuff it must draw upon... |
| 21:27:36 | __peer__ | Anyone own a IFP790? |
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| 21:29:28 | linuxstb_ | petur: It's been proposed that Rockbox allows the setting of a full-screen background image, and that the LCD driver uses this as the "background colour" when drawing transparently. |
| 21:29:33 | preglow | linuxstb_: anything less would be disastrous... |
| 21:29:48 | petur | agree |
| 21:30:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's basically what I was thinking of, in a very roundabout and poorly articulated way. |
| 21:30:51 | petur | and we probably don't need the ability to draw on conditional images... |
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| 21:31:23 | petur | sorry if English is my third language ;) |
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| 21:31:46 | preglow | don't you know if it is? :P |
| 21:32:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if the margins patch, or something like it, wanders in, then a WPS creator should be able to absolutely avoid drawing on anything but the background image anyway |
| 21:32:58 | linuxstb_ | I think two layers - background image and foreground should be enough. We have to draw the line somewhere or there will be no CPU left to play music.... |
| 21:33:10 | muesli__ | btw does a rockboxed ipod behave like a real usm? |
| 21:33:19 | linuxstb_ | yes |
| 21:33:31 | linuxstb_ | (assuming you meant ums) |
| 21:33:34 | muesli__ | kewl...very kewl indeed |
| 21:33:40 | muesli__ | yepp, i did |
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| 21:35:13 | _FireFly_ | muesli__: afaik the ipod itself is an ums, but you must have an db to play the music on the player under the apple-firmware |
| 21:35:29 | preglow | the ipod itself is nothing |
| 21:35:35 | preglow | the original firmware is ums |
| 21:35:54 | muesli__ | what i wanted to point out: do you still need that itunes crap?` |
| 21:36:02 | preglow | we need to code all the usb stuff ourselves |
| 21:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | muesli__: If you intend to play music using just rockbox, itunes is pointless |
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| 21:38:12 | muesli__ | :) |
| 21:38:31 | muesli__ | excellent |
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| 21:51:44 | _FireFly_ | ok updated version of the combined-bitmap-support is on patch-tracker :) |
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| 22:04:29 | NicoFR | Slasheri: thanks for the new commit |
| 22:04:33 | NicoFR | i'll test it now |
| 22:05:36 | sim0n | is a full color version of the UI planner? or being worked on ? |
| 22:06:31 | webguest80 | a little question is h300 optimized linked to to rockbox ( or is it the source and all the extra .wcs and plugins)? |
| 22:07:30 | webguest80 | And another one is battery life still anissue I heard both opinions....? Thanks a lot |
| 22:08:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest80: What do you mean "linked?" Also, the battery life issue is, as far as I know, not yet resolved. |
| 22:08:45 | webguest80 | ok thanks! |
| 22:09:13 | webguest80 | is h300 optimized as stable as the daily build? |
| 22:09:45 | lostlogic | webguest80: any kind of patches over the CVS will have a higherlikelihood of brokenness |
| 22:10:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | h300 optimized is a variety of patches applied to the daily build, so it may be less stable because of bugs in the patches. Or it may not be. It's maintained by Needleboy. |
| 22:10:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | sim0n: Some color upgrade ideas relating to the status bar, scroll bars, etc, have been talked about a bit, but I don't know that anyone is working on or planning anything specific yet. |
| 22:11:12 | webguest80 | is the 24-bit patch actually "loaded in " the CVS or only in needleboy's h300 cvs + patch |
| 22:11:48 | webguest80 | Nick/ Tiennou |
| 22:12:03 | lostlogic | webguest80: look at the CVS logs on rockbox.org, or the diffs on the daily builds page |
| 22:12:19 | webguest80 | ok |
| 22:12:39 | ep0ch | heh i thought you guys were joking with the build table score :) |
| 22:12:47 | webguest80 | thanks a lot for your help.... You guys are great keep up the good work! |
| 22:12:48 | ep0ch | just noticed it |
| 22:13:33 | lostlogic | I'm no longer the highest scorer on the page! :) |
| 22:13:36 | sim0n | Paul_The_Nerd: ok ... is it a lot of work to implement color gui-elements ? |
| 22:13:55 | midkay | anyone here can help with ipod installation on a video? |
| 22:13:59 | sim0n | i got an ipod nano... rockbox seems to work great, it's just the battery level is always low. i think the capacity is 330mah (found that on the net)....but i can't set something below 1500 |
| 22:14:08 | midkay | reading instructions, i see the bootloader but where can i get rockbox.zip for video? only nano and color afaict |
| 22:14:13 | sim0n | what file may i hack to maybe fix this or hardcode it ? |
| 22:14:28 | sim0n | (i got a dev environment...already did some custom builds...) |
| 22:14:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | sim0n: Battery status is not detected yet, at all. |
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| 22:14:48 | sim0n | Paul_The_Nerd: oh ok :-) |
| 22:14:51 | __peer____ | Anyone got IFP790 or IAudio g3? |
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| 22:15:00 | sim0n | Paul_The_Nerd: that's why i didn't find that file :-P |
| 22:15:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: One second. |
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| 22:15:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | sim0n: As for color GUI elements, it depends on how it's decided to do them, I suspect. |
| 22:15:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Flexibility vs. efficiency, etc. |
| 22:16:10 | NicoFR | Slasheri: seems to work fine, thanks a lot :) |
| 22:16:22 | sim0n | Paul_The_Nerd: k |
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| 22:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I cannot speak for the 5g/video support *at all*. I hear it works to an extent, but as far as I'm aware, sound is still not working. If you'd like, and you trust me, I can compile you a iPodVideo rockbox.zip |
| 22:17:01 | midkay | and it's possible to uninstall rockbox on the ipods, right? with the apple updater perhaps? |
| 22:17:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | The apple updater will uninstall it completely. |
| 22:17:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i hear it works except for audio playback |
| 22:17:36 | sim0n | anyway..i'm damn impressed by rockbox... the gui isn't as nice as on a regular ipod nano, but the features are awesome.... i can play ogg files on it .. just w00t :-D |
| 22:17:40 | linuxstb_ | midkay: You can also uninstall by restoring the original "bootparition.bin" file that you create during installation. |
| 22:17:57 | preglow | linuxstb_: still runnin'? |
| 22:18:06 | linuxstb_ | Loud and clear :) |
| 22:18:12 | linuxstb_ | (I started at 5pm GMT) |
| 22:18:23 | linuxstb_ | 4h 18m ago |
| 22:18:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, goodie.. yes, if you could make a video rockbox.zip i'd love you in a friend-kind-of-way for all eternity! |
| 22:18:25 | ssnajper | Hey guys, I would like to give a huge congratulations to the team working on the ipod for your successes so far |
| 22:18:34 | midkay | linuxstb_, cool, thanks :) |
| 22:18:48 | preglow | ssnajper: thanks |
| 22:18:49 | ssnajper | i am eagerly awaiting the 3g solution by slimx |
| 22:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah. There's an additional step you need to prepare the bootloader properly, by the way: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot <−−- Full instructions here, if you skim down to the end of part 2 and pick up from there |
| 22:19:10 | ssnajper | does anyone know the status on that? |
| 22:19:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I was gonna get to the bootpartition.bin part, when I remembered the extra step for merging the fw, too. Heh |
| 22:19:50 | linuxstb_ | ssnajper: slimx seems to be making good progress, but he's working by himself, and he's new to Rockbox. |
| 22:20:05 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, i see, thanks.. |
| 22:20:06 | Midgey34 | linuxstb_: question about AAC playing on ipod in realtime |
| 22:20:17 | Midgey34 | could it possibly be because of gcc 4? |
| 22:20:27 | | Part webguest79 |
| 22:20:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: http://66.68.93.2/5g/rockbox.zip but let me know once it's downloaded, as I don't plan to *leave* it up. |
| 22:20:29 | ssnajper | ah ok, I''ll be patient, can't wait for gapless on the ipod tough! |
| 22:20:39 | Midgey34 | didn't AAC run realtime on iriver using gcc 4, but other codecs did worse? |
| 22:20:43 | midkay | getting it now |
| 22:20:56 | linuxstb_ | Midgey34: Yes, I think that helps a little - gcc4 made AAC better on the iriver, but still not realtime. |
| 22:20:57 | sim0n | anybody know how to get the simulator running on a amd64 ? :-) (crashes with a floating point exception...) |
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| 22:21:34 | Midgey34 | ah alright |
| 22:21:52 | linuxstb_ | And most other things in Rockbox were slower with gcc4. |
| 22:21:54 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, got it, feel free to obliterate it now, thanks a ton :) |
| 22:22:26 | Midgey34 | yah I remember those results, that's why we use gcc 3.4.3 |
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| 22:25:07 | ep0ch | how can i fix this compile error? gmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `eq_cf.S', needed by `/usr/home/djbrown/rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/dep-apps'. Stop. |
| 22:25:20 | lostlogic | ep0ch: do you have the latest source? |
| 22:25:24 | Midgey34 | did you run make clean? |
| 22:25:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: cvs update |
| 22:25:26 | lostlogic | ep0ch: that file was missing for a short while |
| 22:25:29 | ep0ch | i did cvs up -dP |
| 22:25:37 | ep0ch | i did make clean |
| 22:25:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rerun configure? |
| 22:25:46 | lostlogic | ep0ch: check for conflicts? |
| 22:25:47 | Midgey34 | make clean deletes it for some reason |
| 22:25:54 | ep0ch | reran configure |
| 22:25:59 | ep0ch | ah |
| 22:26:57 | preglow | linuxstb_: i think ipl people said they only got around four hours playtime, i'm really looking forward to seeings ours |
| 22:27:18 | ep0ch | yes looks like it was the make clean deleting the file. thanks all |
| 22:29:15 | Midgey34 | hmm, splitting in blackjack is a bit of a pain |
| 22:29:17 | lostlogic | preglow: didn't find a sol'n to the make deleting the .S file? |
| 22:29:52 | preglow | lostlogic: no, i'm still waiting for bagder |
| 22:30:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes, so am I. 4.5 hours and counting... |
| 22:32:28 | bluey | anyone owns a pair of Etymotic ER-6i or Etymotic ER-6 Pro ? |
| 22:32:32 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I would also expect the lossy codecs to last even longer than FLAC. We don't have any CPU boosting to consider. |
| 22:32:53 | midkay | from the wiki −−- Combine the Rockbox bootloader and the Apple firmware into a new boot partition image: ../tools/ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader.bin |
| 22:33:05 | midkay | bootloader.bin -> bootloader_video.bin? |
| 22:33:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Want me to put on a playlist of highish bitrate oggs and MP3s (about 90% of them are in the 225-290 range) and see how long she goes? |
| 22:33:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or would Nano performance be not so useful? |
| 22:34:04 | Lear | bluey: &i... |
| 22:34:11 | Lear | Sorry, 6i... :) |
| 22:34:14 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: You obviously couldn't compare Nano performance with my ipod, but it would be very interesting in its own right. |
| 22:34:17 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: would sure be fun |
| 22:34:20 | bluey | and are tehy good? |
| 22:34:30 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: just make sure the bugger's got a full charge on it |
| 22:34:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yes, but is apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin in the same folder? |
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| 22:34:39 | bluey | using right now some koss porta pro but they begin to annoy me |
| 22:34:42 | Lear | Yeah, I like them. A bit weak in bass though... |
| 22:34:45 | bluey | too much bass |
| 22:34:45 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: though i'd prefer it if you used one codec |
| 22:34:49 | linuxstb_ | midkay: You need to use "-g video" and not "-g nano" |
| 22:35:02 | midkay | doc says -g 5g, so i did that |
| 22:35:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Okay, pick a codec. Though the OGGs are all compressed with identical settings, so they're probably best. |
| 22:35:10 | bluey | hmhm |
| 22:35:10 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: mp3s only would be nice |
| 22:35:11 | midkay | seems to have worked.. and yes, extracted the sw_5g_rcsc thing |
| 22:35:17 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, try the oggs then :) |
| 22:35:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 22:35:21 | Lear | Hm.. I like my porta pros... Mainly used them with a bass-weak player though... :) |
| 22:35:23 | linuxstb_ | midkay: That's fine. -g 5g and -g video are equivalent. |
| 22:35:33 | midkay | linuxstb_, good :) |
| 22:35:43 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: at least that'll give us a near worst-case scenario, tremor is slow on ipod yet |
| 22:35:51 | Lear | (Player, ass in Archos player, aka Studio) |
| 22:35:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll run the oggs then. The MP3s are just two albums that have been stolen, so I can't rerip. (Well, one album, two discs.) |
| 22:35:59 | bluey | they are ok for the price but after some time you want more |
| 22:36:29 | linuxstb_ | preglow: But CPU performance probably doesn't have much of an effect. With the WPS and FIQ constantly using the CPU, it can't sleep. |
| 22:36:48 | preglow | linuxstb_: it doesn't sleep anyway |
| 22:36:50 | preglow | linuxstb_: it just loops |
| 22:36:51 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 22:36:58 | preglow | so you're right |
| 22:37:11 | preglow | perhaps i should give some sleep code a shot |
| 22:37:17 | midkay | awesome, it runs. |
| 22:37:25 | linuxstb_ | I don't think it's important unless we move the FIQ. |
| 22:37:29 | preglow | i'll do some musepack janitoring now so i can get that out of my head |
| 22:37:32 | midkay | thx all :) |
| 22:37:43 | midkay | i've been waiting for this moment, used to code for the archos players a long time ago :) |
| 22:38:33 | linuxstb_ | midkay: Now you need to fire up IDA Pro and work out how audio playback works on the 5g..... |
| 22:38:41 | midkay | linuxstb_, hooray ;) |
| 22:39:42 | lostlogic | when audio works on 5g, it might overcome my hatred of anything popular enough to make me get one :-P |
| 22:40:16 | bluey | are there rmaa tests of nano and 5g players? |
| 22:40:34 | Midgey34 | the 5g is nice, but I wish it had fm radio support without an accessory |
| 22:40:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_, preglow: Okay, I've started the test. 3:40 pm, my time (since I may forget when I started, at least the log will be around) |
| 22:41:00 | amiconn_ | re |
| 22:41:02 | linuxstb_ | preglow: A comment about ipod mpc playback on HydrogenAudio - "Just tried gapless mpc, there is a VERY small click during change, but no gap at all, excellent! " |
| 22:41:21 | linuxstb_ | Is that click an ipod bug or have you experienced it? |
| 22:41:22 | * | amiconn_ wonders whether there's a better linux irc client than xchat |
| 22:41:25 | preglow | linuxstb_: i know this |
| 22:41:38 | preglow | amiconn_: if you do terminal mode, irssi is nice |
| 22:41:40 | lostlogic | amiconn_: irssi |
| 22:41:43 | linuxstb_ | preglow: So it's a general Rockbox issue? |
| 22:41:45 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah |
| 22:41:56 | amiconn_ | preglow: No terminal mode, thanks |
| 22:42:06 | amiconn_ | I'm looking for a decent editor as well |
| 22:42:10 | preglow | vim |
| 22:42:11 | preglow | :-) |
| 22:42:11 | lostlogic | amiconn_: I think there's a kde IRC client that is pretty good |
| 22:42:23 | lostlogic | vim! anjuta or jedit for graphical |
| 22:42:28 | amiconn_ | Hmm, if that runs under gnome..# |
| 22:42:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm actually using GAIM for IRC right now. I don't know how it compares to others, but it gives all of my communications a nice, unified feel. |
| 22:42:36 | lostlogic | amiconn_: vim is a console editor. |
| 22:42:44 | lostlogic | amiconn_: preglow and I are console people :) |
| 22:42:57 | linuxstb_ | amiconn_: I think there's a gnome-xchat but I have no idea if that's any different. |
| 22:43:00 | preglow | gvim runs under gnome |
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| 22:43:33 | amiconn_ | xchat is a bit too simplistic. I wonder whether there's something like HydraIRC |
| 22:43:38 | lostlogic | amiconn_: have you not used vi before? |
| 22:43:45 | amiconn_ | At least xchat on linux doesn't crash |
| 22:44:03 | amiconn_ | (much unlike xchat on windows) |
| 22:44:20 | dtall | Anyone here had problems with Archos 6000 (ISD-200) and usb-storage on linux-2.6.15? |
| 22:44:37 | amiconn_ | lostlogic: I know about vi. It's an editor I use only when there's no other choice |
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| 22:45:13 | amiconn_ | dtall: I tested this exact combination. Works fine |
| 22:45:23 | lostlogic | amiconn_: I do all my coding in vim :) |
| 22:45:24 | amiconn_ | I'm on amd64 though |
| 22:45:38 | dtall | Oh yes amiconn. I talked about this before |
| 22:46:01 | amiconn_ | Yes. Now I've got my linux box running, with kernel 2.6.15 |
| 22:46:08 | amiconn_ | (debian unstable) |
| 22:46:21 | dtall | I tested it on my laptop with uhci, 2.4 fine, 2.6 stalls in transport layer with errno -32 ( Broken Pipe ) |
| 22:46:26 | amiconn_ | My Studio 10 just connects fine |
| 22:46:43 | dtall | It can't be that Linux hates just me ;-) |
| 22:46:49 | amiconn_ | This box uses ohci as well, unlike my virtual machine |
| 22:47:32 | dtall | No problems? What distro and kernel are you using? Debian? |
| 22:47:35 | amiconn_ | lostlogic: The only advantage of vi is that it's available on every unix-alike |
| 22:48:04 | amiconn_ | [22:46:23] amiconn_ Yes. Now I've got my linux box running, with kernel 2.6.15 |
| 22:48:11 | amiconn_ | [22:46:30] amiconn_ (debian unstable) |
| 22:48:32 | dtall | sorry eyes have lower baud than fingers |
| 22:48:41 | amiconn_ | hehe |
| 22:48:57 | dtall | hmm.. is it a stock kernel or do debian have a patchset? |
| 22:49:25 | dtall | Sorry semi rhetorical ...checking net |
| 22:49:27 | lostlogic | amiconn_: let's start the editor wars! I can't code in non-vi editors, I start twitching within seconds... :-P |
| 22:49:52 | amiconn_ | dtall: uname -a -> Linux jupiter 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 #2 Thu Jan 19 07:43:40 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:51:02 | preglow | lostlogic: you and me both |
| 22:51:03 | dtall | hmm ... Is the Archos using the original 6.4 G HDD? |
| 22:51:55 | amiconn_ | Studio 10, so 10GB here |
| 22:52:16 | amiconn_ | (the infamous Hitachi DK23DA) |
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| 22:53:55 | dtall | Hmm. You see the 2.4 seems to wait for the HDD when it seeks, but the 2.6 doesn't and give I/O errors with something like ls -alR |
| 22:54:38 | linuxstb_ | I have to say I'm a little disappointed - my ipod's just died after 4h 50m FLAC playback. But it's possible it wasn't 100% fully charged when I started. |
| 22:55:00 | dtall | I do have a nice lower power consumption 40G HDD in there, but the driver does work on 2.4. |
| 22:55:18 | elinenbe | linuxstb_: is that a video or nano? |
| 22:55:26 | linuxstb_ | 60GB Color. |
| 22:55:39 | dtall | The problem is really annoying as this is the only thing stopping me upgrading to 2.6 and my wireless card drivers are far better on 2.6 |
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| 22:56:05 | lostlogic | dtall: have you tried searching on general linux forums? |
| 22:56:50 | amiconn | dtall: Where do you see these errors? |
| 22:56:51 | dtall | The maintainer is bjorn sternberg who may be lurking here. But yes |
| 22:56:53 | amiconn | dmesg? |
| 22:57:10 | dtall | provided people don't mind a few long lines |
| 22:58:15 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:28 monolith usb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6 |
| 22:58:16 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:29 monolith scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 22:58:18 | ep0ch | how long do Apple rate the battery life on the photo? |
| 22:58:18 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:29 monolith usb-storage: device found at 6 |
| 22:58:19 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:29 monolith usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 22:58:21 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:34 monolith Vendor: ST94011A Model: Rev: 3.05 |
| 22:58:22 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:34 monolith Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 |
| 22:58:24 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:34 monolith SCSI device sda: 78140160 512-byte hdwr sectors (40008 MB) |
| 22:58:26 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:34 monolith sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 22:58:27 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:34 monolith SCSI device sda: 78140160 512-byte hdwr sectors (40008 MB) |
| 22:58:28 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:34 monolith sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 22:58:30 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:37 monolith sda: sda1 |
| 22:58:31 | ep0ch | thanks |
| 22:58:31 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:37 monolith sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda |
| 22:58:33 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:37 monolith usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 22:58:34 | dtall | Jan 28 23:56:37 monolith scsi.agent[21168]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.2/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2:1.0/host1/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0 |
| 22:58:36 | dtall | Jan 28 23:57:06 monolith sd 1:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x70000 |
| 22:58:38 | dtall | Jan 28 23:57:06 monolith end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 30384856 |
| 22:58:39 | dtall | Jan 28 23:57:06 monolith end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 30384857 |
| 22:58:41 | dtall | Jan 28 23:57:06 monolith sd 1:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x70000 |
| 22:58:57 | NicoFR | amiconn: have you managed to compile the cross-compiler on your AMD64 ? |
| 22:59:01 | ep0ch | i always thought few = 3.... |
| 22:59:05 | NicoFR | and what distro are you on ? |
| 22:59:12 | amiconn | NicoFR: Not the m68k one |
| 22:59:16 | dtall | Gentoo stable |
| 22:59:33 | NicoFR | I'm on kubuntu for MAD64 and I didn't manage to compile m68k :( |
| 22:59:54 | dtall | Linux monolith 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 29 02:28:06 GMT 2006 i686 AMD Duron(tm) Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
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| 23:00:02 | linuxstb_ | ep0ch: Apple claim "up to 15 hours" for my ipod. |
| 23:00:27 | amiconn | dtall: Perhaps the smp is the problem? |
| 23:00:48 | dtall | With 1 processor.... |
| 23:00:53 | NicoFR | amiconn: btw, would you know how to make wine run on AMD64 ? |
| 23:01:08 | amiconn | Yeah, I wonder why one installs an smp kernel for a 1-cpu machine |
| 23:01:09 | elinenbe | linuxstb_: have you tried it with 128kbps mp3s? I am sure that is what they test... probably actually 128kbps aac files |
| 23:01:10 | dtall | It does look like some kind of thread sync problem |
| 23:01:19 | NicoFR | i searched but it seems complicated and i'm a linux noob |
| 23:01:28 | linuxstb_ | elinenbe: No - I'm recharging now, and may do another test with a lossy codec later. |
| 23:01:34 | lostlogic | I run gentoo unstable on my athlon-mp 2100s with 2.6.13.4, no USB trouble. |
| 23:01:37 | dtall | The ISD-200 driver was noted to be broken with pre-empting on 2.4 |
| 23:01:43 | lostlogic | dtall: have you tried different USB cables |
| 23:01:49 | dtall | yep |
| 23:01:55 | amiconn | NicoFR: I have no idea yet. Got this linux box for a couple of days now |
| 23:02:11 | lostlogic | and different orders of loading your USB drive modules? I have to load ohci and then ehci (IIRC) in order for it to be happy with both high speed and full speed devices |
| 23:02:11 | dtall | two different cables, two different hardware configs |
| 23:02:12 | NicoFR | ok |
| 23:02:50 | dtall | I have removed ehci and this fixed another USB HDD which I think means I do need a USB 2 cable for that |
| 23:02:52 | amiconn | ...and it's not that important for me, since I still have windows on my laptop |
| 23:03:04 | __peer____ | Anyone got IFP790 or IAudio g3? |
| 23:03:05 | dtall | but this seems to be more fundamental |
| 23:03:25 | preglow | i'm considering redoing the musepack/ directory |
| 23:03:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:03:46 | dtall | No windows boxen |
| 23:03:52 | preglow | doing diffs is a nightmare, they've converted their entire project from crlf to lf, which gives pretty rich diffs... |
| 23:04:28 | ep0ch | linuxstb: does the harddisk spin down when not being used on your ipod? |
| 23:04:29 | merbanan | preglow: does -b help ? |
| 23:04:30 | amiconn_ | preglow: Convert old source to lf, then do diff (?) |
| 23:04:35 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: Attempting to get CSW... |
| 23:04:37 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 13 bytes |
| 23:04:39 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 13/13 |
| 23:04:41 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: −− transfer complete |
| 23:04:42 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: Bulk status result = 0 |
| 23:04:44 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: Bulk Status S 0x53425355 T 0xf R 0 Stat 0x0 |
| 23:04:45 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: Identify Data Structure: |
| 23:04:46 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: config = 0xc5a |
| 23:04:48 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: cyls = 0x3fff |
| 23:04:50 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: heads = 0x10 |
| 23:04:51 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: track_bytes = 0x0 |
| 23:04:53 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: sector_bytes = 0x0 |
| 23:04:54 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: sectors = 0x3f |
| 23:04:56 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: serial_no[0] = 0x20 |
| 23:04:57 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: buf_type = 0x0 |
| 23:04:58 | | Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:04:59 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: buf_size = 0x1000 |
| 23:05:00 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: ecc_bytes = 0x4 |
| 23:05:02 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: fw_rev[0] = 0x2e |
| 23:05:03 | dtall | Jan 29 20:33:02 monolith usb-storage: model[0] = 0x54 |
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