| 00:00:04 | bluey | well i guess this means no |
| 00:00:21 | preglow | does it play with current rockbox? |
| 00:00:26 | preglow | my guess is no |
| 00:00:29 | muesli__ | mine, yes |
| 00:01:02 | bluey | havent tried it, i will take a look later |
| 00:01:19 | preglow | it is sv7 |
| 00:02:32 | muesli__ | EAC vbr standard @ 44kHz |
| 00:02:39 | muesli__ | does that help? |
| 00:03:05 | muesli__ | that album is quite old. dunno when it was encoded |
| 00:03:21 | muesli__ | 26.9.04 |
| 00:03:33 | muesli__ | if this excludes anything.. |
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| 00:07:30 | Moos | preglow: yes here too all my mpc's are sv7 |
| 00:09:43 | preglow | i'm syncing rockbox musepack to musepack.net svn repository |
| 00:09:52 | preglow | they themselves don't want to support sv46 files anymore |
| 00:10:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 00:10:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think anyone can fault you for that then. |
| 00:10:40 | Moos | hehe :) |
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| 00:11:04 | preglow | the code is there |
| 00:11:07 | preglow | i just want to follow up :) |
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| 00:11:23 | Moos | :-) |
| 00:11:35 | amiconn | preglow: Any advantages? |
| 00:12:38 | amiconn | I mean there must be a reason why you're doing this. I remember you saying you won't touch musepack anymore |
| 00:12:47 | preglow | amiconn: i've rather switched stance on that... |
| 00:12:50 | amiconn | Or perhaps I just remember wrong... |
| 00:13:03 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, they've implemented a bunch of stuff i asked them to |
| 00:13:26 | preglow | like removing some unneeded table manipulation, making data that was unecessarily large smaller |
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| 00:17:28 | muesli__ | how does mpc performs on rbx, faster encoding than mp3? |
| 00:18:13 | preglow | encoding? |
| 00:18:22 | muesli__ | decoding ;) |
| 00:18:24 | preglow | mpc decoding is a bit slower than mp3 |
| 00:18:32 | preglow | on arm it'll be very fast |
| 00:20:11 | muesli__ | ive just read that seeking will be implemented in mpc v7.5. are files encoded earlier seekabale, too? |
| 00:20:34 | muesli__ | or "will files be seekable... |
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| 00:29:50 | preglow | where have you read this? |
| 00:29:58 | preglow | i wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to musepack |
| 00:30:04 | preglow | there seems to be no new work on it whatsoever |
| 00:32:35 | muesli__ | read it on the german wikipedia |
| 00:33:09 | muesli__ | "it should be completely supported in sv.7.5" |
| 00:33:43 | preglow | yeah, and i doubt you'll see sv7.5 |
| 00:33:49 | preglow | no one seems to be working on musepack |
| 00:34:19 | muesli__ | oh :-/ that format sounds pretty nice tough |
| 00:34:23 | muesli__ | though |
| 00:34:33 | preglow | yeah, so do i |
| 00:34:33 | muesli__ | gapless, high quality, fast |
| 00:34:39 | preglow | so it's a pity no one works on it anymore |
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| 00:34:58 | muesli__ | :-/// |
| 00:36:51 | muesli__ | The Rockbox guys and preglow in particular don't cease to raise eyebrows |
| 00:36:56 | muesli__ | hey, ur a star ;) |
| 00:37:07 | muesli__ | http://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=286 |
| 00:37:44 | preglow | yeah, shy just posted it |
| 00:37:49 | preglow | i'm in #mpc talking with them |
| 00:38:04 | muesli__ | the circle is closing ;) |
| 00:40:38 | lostlogic | http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d49565774e484ef03c0b752db5186f5d931b7cb176ac3ed7d6c37/dump400102-041801.bmp |
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| 00:41:03 | lostlogic | gah, I have seroius pasting problems today. |
| 00:41:19 | lostlogic | I should turn off the touchpad on this thing, I never use it. |
| 00:42:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 00:42:45 | lostlogic | haha, now I too can drive people who use my computer crazy by having one of the input devices deactivated. |
| 00:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Excellent! |
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| 00:50:22 | preglow | linuxstb: ipod status? :Z |
| 00:51:16 | linuxstb | It died a few hours ago - did you miss my post? |
| 00:51:32 | Rob2222 | ? |
| 00:51:36 | linuxstb | I think it was during our detour into Linux USB problems.... |
| 00:51:37 | lostlogic | battery test |
| 00:51:39 | Rob2222 | ipod died'? |
| 00:51:57 | linuxstb | Yes, after playing FLAC for 4h 50m the battery died.... |
| 00:52:31 | linuxstb | But I'm not 100% sure it was fully charged to begin with. |
| 00:52:47 | Rob2222 | died == unchargable? |
| 00:52:53 | Rob2222 | or only empty? |
| 00:53:04 | linuxstb | Just empty. It's happily recharging now. |
| 00:53:10 | Rob2222 | ah ok |
| 00:53:39 | Rob2222 | i will go to bed now. good night all |
| 00:55:23 | preglow | not exactly superb |
| 00:56:41 | preglow | but yeah |
| 00:56:44 | preglow | cpu doesn't sleep at all |
| 00:56:49 | preglow | how often does the fiq occur now, btw? |
| 00:57:21 | lostlogic | preglow/linuxstb: any chance of you testing my pcmbuf restructure patch on the ipod to make sure I didn't break your DMA for audio playback? |
| 00:57:27 | preglow | linuxstb: someone on the ml asks about charging while using ipod, didn't you implement that? |
| 00:57:37 | preglow | lostlogic: we have no dma |
| 00:57:59 | lostlogic | preglow: well whatever happens in pcm_playback.c required tweaking... hoping I didn't break it |
| 00:58:25 | lostlogic | I guess it's just a fifo, not a dma? |
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| 00:59:22 | linuxstb | Not sure of the exact number, but probably 1000s of times a second. I should re-enable my fiq_count and see. |
| 00:59:28 | GambitMat | aha! |
| 00:59:33 | GambitMat | erm, evenings |
| 00:59:51 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Yes - just an i2s fifo. |
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| 01:00:52 | lostlogic | so, can test? Just that basic playback still works, there are known bugs in my code with some skips. |
| 01:01:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | "some" :-P |
| 01:01:10 | linuxstb | preglow: I didn't really "implement" it - but it seems to work. There was already a feature in Rockbox to disable USB disk mode by holding a button whilst inserting the USB cable. That's all I did, and I think it works. |
| 01:02:56 | preglow | linuxstb: how many samples fit in the fifo, then? |
| 01:03:29 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm in the middle of merging libmpcdec code, i can test when i'm finished |
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| 01:03:37 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hey, not all skips have hte problem. The case where the disk buffer is idle, and the next track is not buffered yet works perfectly fine :-P |
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| 01:04:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2:25 minutes so far... wish I knew how much battery had been used. :) |
| 01:08:51 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't know - I'll do some tests and find out. |
| 01:10:00 | linuxstb | preglow: It also seems David Bryant has just bought himself a Nano - he's posted in a Rockbox on iPod thread on HydrogenAudio. |
| 01:10:04 | preglow | he has |
| 01:10:18 | preglow | he's had it for a little while now, i think |
| 01:10:35 | preglow | told me it was in on the way in the mail about a month ago |
| 01:10:40 | linuxstb | He now seems to have unpacked it though :) |
| 01:10:47 | preglow | hehe |
| 01:11:09 | linuxstb | So I would expect some ARM optimisations soon. But we have no way to test them... |
| 01:11:46 | linuxstb | lostlogic: How do you fancy writing a "NULL" or WAV output driver for Rockbox that we can use to test codec speed? |
| 01:12:19 | preglow | my god, that would be nice |
| 01:12:49 | preglow | i've been nagging slasheri to do one for ages, but now we have another person skilled enough to comprehend the playback engine! |
| 01:12:53 | preglow | :) |
| 01:12:54 | lostlogic | linuxstb: be pretty easy to do just a thread that acts like the other things in pcm_playback.c to read from the pcm_buffer as fast as possible... how to give it a UI sounds more complex |
| 01:13:08 | lostlogic | preglow: flattery will get you nowhere :-P |
| 01:13:22 | preglow | oh, i'm pretty sure it will |
| 01:13:29 | preglow | i've never seen anyone not susceptible to it |
| 01:13:33 | linuxstb | It doesn't even need much of a UI - it will mainly be of use by developers who could hard-code things. |
| 01:14:23 | lostlogic | linuxstb: hmm, I'll think on it. |
| 01:14:41 | preglow | lostlogic: it would be truly smashing |
| 01:14:59 | lostlogic | we'd need a way to time decoding, and the way to send the results to the bitbucket. |
| 01:15:10 | preglow | all we need is a simple realtime % readout |
| 01:15:10 | lostlogic | any ideas on the timing side? |
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| 01:15:28 | linuxstb | It would indeed be very useful for optimisation. |
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| 01:15:33 | preglow | can't you use the timer.c moduløe? |
| 01:15:36 | preglow | module, even |
| 01:16:32 | lostlogic | hmm, yeah, better yet for codec timing, just take the pcmbuffer out of it entirely and send it straight to the bitbucket so the pcmbuffer always reports empty. |
| 01:16:54 | linuxstb | I knew you were the right person for the job.... |
| 01:16:58 | lostlogic | can note start time, and number of bytes transferred before a stop is called and report it |
| 01:17:10 | lostlogic | bastards. |
| 01:18:08 | preglow | arghhh |
| 01:18:42 | linuxstb | hehe - a quote from HA: "First someone gets MPC to work on a portable, and now theres actually a few people interested enough to work on the decoder. I think hell just froze over." |
| 01:19:18 | Bagder | haha |
| 01:20:20 | preglow | huffsv7.c:75: warning: this decimal constant is unsigned only in ISO C90 |
| 01:20:23 | preglow | i get a ZILLION of these |
| 01:20:35 | preglow | Bagder: eq_sf.S gets _deleted_ on make clean |
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| 01:20:44 | preglow | Bagder: plus, it isn't compiled to an .o file as you would expect |
| 01:21:01 | Bagder | oops |
| 01:21:19 | preglow | a _few_ people? :> |
| 01:21:24 | preglow | well, amiconn did optimise the muls |
| 01:22:16 | linuxstb | The post is referring to David Bryant doing some bug-fixing. |
| 01:22:22 | preglow | Bagder: i'm not quite insane enough to understand the makefiles yet, so i was hoping you'd look at it :> |
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| 01:22:32 | Bagder | I'll do that |
| 01:22:37 | Bagder | perhaps no tonight though |
| 01:22:40 | Bagder | not |
| 01:22:51 | preglow | however, if you would have told me six months ago that i would work so much on musepack as i have, i'd have lauged at you |
| 01:23:00 | preglow | laughed |
| 01:23:49 | preglow | i wonder what these warnings mean, they're sure as hell not going to loop pretty in the build table |
| 01:24:03 | preglow | time to get myself a permanent standing highscore |
| 01:24:05 | linuxstb | Can you give an example? |
| 01:24:20 | amiconn | preglow, lostlogic: No need to use the timer module. |
| 01:24:38 | preglow | {{2147483648,1,7},{1073741824,2,3},{939524096,5,1},{805306368,5,2},{738197504,6,0},{671088640,6,6},{536870912,5,4},{0,3,5},}; |
| 01:24:44 | preglow | i get one of those warnings for that line |
| 01:24:48 | amiconn | Just take the known real playtime, and compare it to the number of ticks needed to decode |
| 01:25:07 | preglow | amiconn: the tick timer isn't really the epitome of accuracy |
| 01:25:31 | amiconn | The tick timer is no more or less accurate than the user timer |
| 01:25:45 | lostlogic | haha, so here's the problem, I'm going to implement this timer feature... in my new pcmbuf structure... which means I need help getting the new pcmbuf committable to make the timer stuff comittable as well :-P |
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| 01:25:52 | preglow | amiconn: well ok, i mean accuracy |
| 01:25:58 | preglow | amiconn: ehh, resolution |
| 01:26:14 | amiconn | 10ms resolution should be plenty |
| 01:26:31 | amiconn | If you decode for one second, you get 1% accuracy |
| 01:27:04 | preglow | linuxstb: i guess one of the numbers is beyond the limit for signed numbers |
| 01:27:14 | amiconn | The tick timer is how I measured performance for memcpy, memset, gfx drawing (mono engine on recorder)... |
| 01:27:21 | preglow | no wait, it says unsigned... |
| 01:27:58 | amiconn | The first number is 1 larger than 32bit signed can take |
| 01:28:31 | Bagder | −−std=c99 ;-) |
| 01:29:46 | preglow | amiconn: it's an uint... |
| 01:29:54 | preglow | so i don't see how that can matter at all |
| 01:30:19 | amiconn | Then append an u |
| 01:30:49 | preglow | what???? |
| 01:30:56 | linuxstb | What are the types for those constant arrays? |
| 01:31:07 | preglow | it doesn't understand that it's bloody unsigned number when the type it's assigned to is unsigned? |
| 01:31:10 | amiconn | Well, the numbers are written without any suffix |
| 01:31:24 | * | preglow throws c on the dung pile |
| 01:31:31 | amiconn | ..and anything unmarked in C is of int type, which is signed |
| 01:31:33 | Bagder | C before C90 |
| 01:31:56 | amiconn | Just write 2147483648u, and the warning should be gone |
| 01:32:10 | preglow | linuxstb: first numbers is mpc_uint32_t, second mpc_uint16_t, third mpc_int16_t |
| 01:32:20 | preglow | i'll need to write a script to do this |
| 01:32:25 | preglow | it's a bloody lot of numbers |
| 01:32:55 | linuxstb | It's either that or score a zillion points.... |
| 01:33:15 | preglow | Bagder: c90 infers constant type from type it's assigned to? |
| 01:33:21 | amiconn | gcc seems to be extremely picky with our option set |
| 01:33:29 | ashridah | hmm. there's no interface at all for the equalizer yet, is there |
| 01:33:32 | Bagder | well, the warning said it works fine in C90 |
| 01:33:36 | preglow | ashridah: no |
| 01:33:36 | preglow | if so, lets change to c90 before my head explodes |
| 01:33:50 | amiconn | It's even that you need to cast a sizeof() to signed if you want to compare it with an int |
| 01:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But... but... zillion points! |
| 01:34:19 | amiconn | otherwise: Warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 01:34:37 | preglow | gcc4 complains as well |
| 01:34:53 | Bagder | it should |
| 01:34:58 | Bagder | unless you use −−std |
| 01:34:59 | preglow | no!!!!!!111one |
| 01:35:23 | Bagder | -std even |
| 01:35:36 | preglow | if i use -std i bet more warnings will crop up other places in rockbox |
| 01:35:39 | amiconn | It seems that others don't care as much about warnings |
| 01:35:52 | preglow | amiconn: most people ignore warnings |
| 01:35:53 | Bagder | or don't care much about working |
| 01:35:58 | Bagder | with other compilers/systems |
| 01:36:09 | amiconn | (I don't say this is good) |
| 01:36:16 | preglow | of course it's not good |
| 01:36:20 | Bagder | since those lines are plain _bad_ code |
| 01:36:32 | amiconn | I observed that building binutils and gcc throws _loads_ of warnings |
| 01:36:34 | preglow | i think these are just fine :/// |
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| 01:37:27 | * | Bagder does lots of portable programming. It teaches you to things conservatively |
| 01:38:07 | Bagder | but now: sleep(hours); |
| 01:39:32 | * | amiconn notices the scoring was changed |
| 01:39:47 | amiconn | An ld error seems to count 20 now |
| 01:39:57 | preglow | knowing perl really does come in handy at times like this |
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| 01:42:34 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm taking bets on whether what I've whipped up to time codecs will work. |
| 01:42:34 | preglow | THERE |
| 01:42:36 | preglow | got it going |
| 01:43:03 | lostlogic | holy shit, it compiled. |
| 01:43:13 | Cassandra | Bah - ipod_fw refuses to believe in my iPod. |
| 01:43:17 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm pretty low on cash these days, do you take rubble? |
| 01:43:22 | preglow | Cassandra: oh? |
| 01:43:30 | preglow | Cassandra: nano? |
| 01:43:36 | Cassandra | Yep/ |
| 01:43:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's odd |
| 01:43:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I used ipod_fw with 1.0 before 1.1 came out |
| 01:43:55 | lostlogic | rubble!? |
| 01:44:08 | Cassandra | I can tell it's physical disk 1 because I get differentresponses depending on whether it's plugged or not |
| 01:44:15 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Do you mean ipod_fw or ipodpatcher? |
| 01:44:17 | preglow | Cassandra: well, remove the boot sector check, then |
| 01:44:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm curious |
| 01:44:33 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you been reading the HA thread? |
| 01:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Have you used the Nano before? |
| 01:44:35 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:44:40 | Cassandra | Sorry - ipodpatcher |
| 01:44:58 | Cassandra | No development environment - I'm at my sisters. |
| 01:44:59 | * | amiconn noticed that arm-elf-gcc 4.0 makes smaller binaries than 3.4 |
| 01:45:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow, linuxstb: I'm pretty sure I used ipodpatcher with 1.0 before 1.1 came out. (not 100% sure though) |
| 01:45:31 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Are you able to upgrade your ipod to v1.1 of Apple's firmware? |
| 01:45:38 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, it has a very early version of rockbox on it. |
| 01:45:43 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: That was possibly before I implemented the boot sector check. |
| 01:45:55 | preglow | i've used it too |
| 01:45:58 | preglow | and i'm pretty sure i have 1.0 |
| 01:46:02 | preglow | since i've never updated it |
| 01:46:12 | Cassandra | No idea. |
| 01:46:27 | preglow | linuxstb: can i update the software without breaking everything on it? |
| 01:46:27 | linuxstb | Cassandra: I'll compile a version without that check for you. Good luck :) |
| 01:46:44 | * | Cassandra grins. Tah. |
| 01:47:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: If you restore the original bootpartition.bin, then update using the updater, then reinstall the bootloader, it shouldn't break anything else on it. |
| 01:47:01 | Cassandra | I'm currently puling over my original ipod disk image from my home pc. |
| 01:47:10 | Cassandra | I love broadband. ;) |
| 01:47:15 | preglow | i think i'll just stick with 1.0 |
| 01:47:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh. Good plan, since it's not like you'll use it that often, 'eh? |
| 01:48:02 | linuxstb | Cassandra: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.zip |
| 01:48:14 | linuxstb | It still does the check, but doesn't abort when it fails. |
| 01:48:16 | Cassandra | I find it very difficult to care what's on the firmware side on the iPod. |
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| 01:49:40 | Cassandra | Thanks. Got tgat. When I've pulled down the disk image I'll install. |
| 01:50:34 | lostlogic | you would simply not believe how often the pcmbuf_play_stop function is called |
| 01:50:36 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i'm shooting for "never" |
| 01:50:50 | preglow | lostlogic: i'll take your word for it |
| 01:51:00 | Cassandra | Well done on getting it working, btw. |
| 01:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Well, you don't even need to have it in the bootpartition at all, y'know. |
| 01:51:16 | Cassandra | I have just one question. |
| 01:51:20 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: knwo |
| 01:51:22 | preglow | know! |
| 01:51:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;-) |
| 01:51:26 | Cassandra | Does it put the moon on a stick for me yet? |
| 01:51:35 | preglow | Cassandra: sure |
| 01:52:09 | Cassandra | What about the sun? |
| 01:52:12 | preglow | no problem |
| 01:53:40 | Cassandra | At the same time? |
| 01:53:53 | preglow | yes, i programmed it specifically to allow for that |
| 01:53:59 | preglow | it's a multi-stick architecture now |
| 01:54:14 | Cassandra | Bet you forgot the chocolate sprinkles though. |
| 01:54:24 | preglow | they're on the list! |
| 01:54:28 | paugh | only for the moon surely? |
| 01:54:47 | Cassandra | Pah. Rockbox is *useless* ! I want my money back! |
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| 01:55:16 | preglow | Cassandra: you need to understand this is a volunteer project, but the sprinkles are high-priority, i promise! |
| 01:55:27 | preglow | new musepack seems to work, at least |
| 01:55:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | By "work" you mean "plays" or "Doesn't cause 50-bajillion warnings"? |
| 01:56:37 | preglow | works AND gives me a zero score |
| 01:56:51 | preglow | i whipped up some perl magic to fix the warnings |
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| 01:57:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Excellent |
| 01:57:35 | Cassandra | Ah - we have a volunteer to process a spoken voicefile. |
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| 01:58:04 | * | amiconn could use a perl magician... |
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| 01:58:06 | lostlogic | unless I miss my guess (which is possible) I'm timing a codec playback. |
| 01:58:25 | preglow | oh? |
| 01:58:27 | * | Cassandra might be able to help. What's up, ami? |
| 01:58:32 | preglow | just give me a couple of relative readings |
| 01:58:35 | preglow | like mp3 contra ogg |
| 01:58:39 | preglow | flac contra whatever |
| 01:58:51 | lostlogic | preglow: I only have mp3 and ogg, I'll give both shortly |
| 01:59:00 | amiconn | I'm still wading through english.lang, but when I'm done, I need some script to adjust the other .lang files to the new order |
| 01:59:00 | lostlogic | ogg is still slow on H3x0 so it takes a while to get through a song |
| 01:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Spoken voice file? You mean, human read? |
| 01:59:15 | amiconn | Some special cases are included as well |
| 01:59:19 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Is this a patch against your new pcm playback, or the CVS? |
| 01:59:36 | amiconn | english.lang status: 85% done |
| 01:59:37 | lostlogic | linuxstb: against my new pcm stuff... shouldn't be hard to adapt, but I can't say I'm terribly inclined to do so :-P |
| 01:59:47 | preglow | heheh |
| 01:59:51 | preglow | lostlogic: i can test your code now, btw |
| 01:59:58 | preglow | i'll just commit this stuff here |
| 01:59:59 | lostlogic | preglow: rockin' |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:16 | Cassandra | paul: yeah. I did ne once. I actually did one twice, but got bored with the editing second time round/ |
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| 02:00:46 | lostlogic | bagh, I need to find a new way to call the display. |
| 02:00:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | That reminds me, did anything ever get done, or happen, re the AT&T thing? |
| 02:01:09 | Cassandra | Ah, not tonight. My coding brain is all used up for today I'm afraid. |
| 02:01:24 | Cassandra | It's still in progress I believe |
| 02:01:24 | preglow | at least you have a coding brain |
| 02:01:49 | Cassandra | Well, it passes for one, I suppose. |
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| 02:08:21 | XavierGr | amiconn: Rob reported that loading the playlist viewer while battery_benchmark plugin is running will output a stkov error. I thought that this problem was solved 2 months ago. |
| 02:09:07 | amiconn | Partly. |
| 02:09:31 | amiconn | You can use the playlist viewer with a tsr plugin loaded, |
| 02:09:50 | amiconn | but the tsr plugin _must not_ use plugin_get_buffer() |
| 02:09:56 | preglow | lostlogic: so, am i getting a patch? |
| 02:09:57 | XavierGr | can? Then what's the error for? |
| 02:10:13 | XavierGr | amiconn: it does not |
| 02:10:16 | preglow | it just occured to me i have to get up in five hours, so i'm contemplating a trip to the bed |
| 02:10:20 | XavierGr | (use the plugin_get_buffer |
| 02:10:22 | lostlogic | preglow: it's on sourceforge, but I can put it separately on my webspace if you want |
| 02:10:27 | preglow | no, no worries |
| 02:10:30 | preglow | i was just awaiting an url :-) |
| 02:10:43 | Cassandra | Coping Rockbox to the iPod seems pretty slow for a flash based player. |
| 02:10:46 | amiconn | XavierGr: This is strange, need to check |
| 02:10:49 | XavierGr | amiconn I will try in my h100 to be sure this is not only on H300 |
| 02:11:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Are you in "disk mode" or retailOS? |
| 02:11:14 | Cassandra | disk mode |
| 02:11:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | disk mode, in my experience, is *significantly* slower. |
| 02:11:34 | amiconn | XavierGr: battery_bench.c line 295: stack = rb->plugin_get_buffer(&stacksize); |
| 02:11:47 | XavierGr | oops |
| 02:11:50 | XavierGr | ah it was for the stuck |
| 02:11:54 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:12:03 | preglow | haha |
| 02:12:13 | * | preglow suddenly understand why that commit mail was so slow in the coming |
| 02:12:16 | XavierGr | you are right, I remember that I didn't use that in the thread. |
| 02:12:33 | amiconn | Just allocate the stack staticcally |
| 02:12:54 | amiconn | Doesn't even increase the plugin's binary size nowadays :) |
| 02:12:58 | XavierGr | seems a good advice. |
| 02:13:14 | XavierGr | I wil try that tomorrow and let Bger know about it. |
| 02:13:25 | preglow | lostlogic: ok, what am i looking/trying for? |
| 02:13:30 | amiconn | okay |
| 02:13:33 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 02:13:33 | XavierGr | [03:12] ,03amiconn,99: Doesn't even increase the plugin's binary size nowadays :),99 <- When that did happen? |
| 02:13:48 | preglow | when did those colours happen, is the better question |
| 02:13:51 | preglow | i nearly vomiteed |
| 02:13:54 | amiconn | Since my new plugin loader and associated adjustments |
| 02:14:14 | lostlogic | preglow: on ipod, just taht I didn't break playback −− I know about several bugs that'll happen on any swcodec machine... |
| 02:14:18 | amiconn | Now, sleep(too_little); |
| 02:14:57 | XavierGr | Nice! I remember that in the first approach for the jpeg file scroler using big buffers that couldn't fit on Archos plugin size restrictions (though with the latest version nothing of this is required) |
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| 02:15:14 | XavierGr | good night |
| 02:15:20 | preglow | lostlogic: well, skipping just crashed it |
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| 02:15:50 | preglow | lostlogic: completely reproducable |
| 02:16:02 | preglow | but then again, ipod has a skipping bug |
| 02:16:20 | amiconn | XavierGr: The ram usage doesn't change (of course) |
| 02:16:37 | amiconn | Just the .bss section is no longer included in the binary |
| 02:17:07 | lostlogic | preglow: hehe, yeah, skipping will crash during buffer fill |
| 02:17:21 | preglow | lostlogic: and at all other times... |
| 02:17:24 | lostlogic | preglow: and skipping will act a little weird if the next song is in RAM, so basically it's still broken |
| 02:17:28 | preglow | lostlogic: unless you mean some other kind of buffer |
| 02:17:38 | lostlogic | preglow: the bug codec buffer |
| 02:17:50 | preglow | well |
| 02:17:53 | preglow | this was mid song |
| 02:17:54 | preglow | and no disk icon |
| 02:17:57 | preglow | so it wasn't buffering |
| 02:18:10 | lostlogic | ah, that I haven't seen. |
| 02:18:27 | preglow | i see it all the time, heh |
| 02:18:33 | preglow | but yeah, ipod has a skip bug |
| 02:18:38 | preglow | so let's not draw any conclusions |
| 02:18:46 | lostlogic | hee, but playback still plays back? |
| 02:19:13 | preglow | plays back like it should |
| 02:19:15 | preglow | smiling as it goes |
| 02:19:21 | Cassandra | Hmm The previous owner of this iPod was very silly. It's full of wma.s. |
| 02:19:51 | lostlogic | ok... that was my main concern −− the skipping problems are actually due to bugs in playback.c that were compensated for artificially by the old pcmbuf.c code |
| 02:19:57 | XavierGr | amiconn: So if I declare variables more than the plugin buffer size, what will happen? In the old plugin loader it could output an error due to the size of the plugin now? |
| 02:20:13 | linuxstb | XavierGr: The linker should complain. |
| 02:20:17 | preglow | lostlogic: how fared the codec bench test, btw? |
| 02:20:20 | Cassandra | Hah! Not any more. |
| 02:20:32 | lostlogic | my calculations are off, I'm getting numbers like "6.97% realtime" |
| 02:20:45 | XavierGr | okay nice to know that. |
| 02:21:16 | lostlogic | unsigned long total_ticks = current_tick - start_tick; |
| 02:21:16 | lostlogic | unsigned long tenthousand_played_time = |
| 02:21:16 | lostlogic | bytes_played * 10000 / (NATIVE_FREQUENCY*4/HZ); |
| 02:21:16 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK lostlogic |
| 02:21:16 | lostlogic | unsigned long centipercent_realtime = tenthousand_played_time / total_ticks; |
| 02:22:31 | preglow | bytes_played? |
| 02:22:44 | lostlogic | I just sum up the number of bytes of pcm data sent from the codec |
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| 02:22:52 | preglow | rightie |
| 02:25:22 | lostlogic | does that seem right, because I'm consistently getting ~6% reported when it should be closer to 200% |
| 02:25:56 | RotAtoR | oooh, musepack updates :D |
| 02:26:10 | preglow | RotAtoR: the real action hasn't happened yet |
| 02:26:32 | RotAtoR | ahh, too bad :/ |
| 02:26:47 | RotAtoR | thanks for keeping it updated though :) |
| 02:26:54 | preglow | np |
| 02:27:06 | preglow | i'll do some ipod work on it soon |
| 02:27:07 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I think bytes_played*10000 will overflow a 32-bit int after about 2MB of data. |
| 02:27:10 | preglow | then i'll see if i can implement my speedup |
| 02:27:23 | lostlogic | linuxstb: shizer |
| 02:27:52 | linuxstb | Move the HZ up - i.e. bytes_played * (10000/HZ) |
| 02:27:59 | preglow | RotAtoR: do tell me if something's up, i'm listening to an album now, and it seems to work great |
| 02:28:06 | linuxstb | Or not... It's too late for this.... |
| 02:28:34 | lostlogic | linuxstb: I'll rearrange the math. |
| 02:28:37 | preglow | haha |
| 02:28:40 | preglow | that's not right |
| 02:28:46 | preglow | it should be 10000*HZ |
| 02:28:51 | preglow | which will overflow just as bad |
| 02:29:26 | preglow | lostlogic: use long longs |
| 02:29:37 | RotAtoR | preglow: sure, I'm always happy to test musepack changes |
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| 02:30:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | 33! |
| 02:31:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least that's a lot less than the potentially record breaking number you'd worried about before. |
| 02:31:52 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Did that ipodpatcher work for you then? |
| 02:32:36 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: and disappointingly enough, the fix was commited half an hour ago :/ |
| 02:32:40 | lostlogic | after 21s of played data on an ogg, 121.63% |
| 02:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Sad. |
| 02:32:51 | preglow | lostlogic: impressing....... |
| 02:32:59 | lostlogic | *tries mp3* |
| 02:33:05 | preglow | lostlogic: and then, flac |
| 02:33:14 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 7 minutes and 43 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:33:14 | * | preglow readies the flags and confetti |
| 02:33:18 | lostlogic | preglow: don't have any of those |
| 02:33:18 | linuxstb | And WAV... |
| 02:33:27 | preglow | someone give the man a flac! |
| 02:33:56 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: my high score is still 60 |
| 02:34:06 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: which is low enough to have had me shot in stricter countries |
| 02:34:13 | preglow | i'll make you all proud still, just wait |
| 02:34:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 02:34:28 | lostlogic | nope, still not right, mp3 is showing a lower percent, despite (obviouslY) being much faster |
| 02:34:33 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Courtesy of the audio archive: http://www.archive.org/download/ween2005-11-29.flac16/ween2005-11-29d1t01.flac |
| 02:34:40 | linuxstb | (a randomly chosen 10MB flac file) |
| 02:34:56 | lostlogic | nod, downloading. |
| 02:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | 4 hours now, I believe. |
| 02:36:16 | preglow | time for me to sleep before i have to get up, yes? |
| 02:36:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good plan |
| 02:36:30 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Is this your Nano Vorbis test? |
| 02:36:36 | preglow | oh, right |
| 02:36:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Yep, 4 hours so far. Still runnin' though. |
| 02:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're all Q8, so fairly high bitrates. |
| 02:38:01 | preglow | ouch |
| 02:38:02 | preglow | well |
| 02:38:05 | preglow | still doesn't matter anyway |
| 02:38:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | True |
| 02:38:11 | preglow | cpu is running all the time |
| 02:39:25 | Cassandra | I have a whole bunch of MP3s that won't play on iPod. Anyone want one for debugging purposes? |
| 02:39:40 | linuxstb | Do they play on your iriver? |
| 02:39:57 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I think you can take that as a "yes, it worked" though |
| 02:40:10 | Cassandra | linuxstb, yes. |
| 02:40:23 | preglow | ehh |
| 02:40:27 | preglow | weird |
| 02:40:29 | linuxstb | OK, I'll update ipodpatcher to check for your partition strings as well. |
| 02:40:31 | preglow | endian? |
| 02:40:44 | linuxstb | That's my thought - in the metadata. |
| 02:40:59 | Cassandra | They're generated from MIDI files by Winamps disk plugin output. |
| 02:41:14 | Cassandra | The odd thing is that half of them seem to work, half don't. |
| 02:41:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait |
| 02:41:30 | linuxstb | How do they not work? |
| 02:41:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Stop |
| 02:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you Skipping to the next song? |
| 02:41:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because right now, next track, every other track doesn't play. |
| 02:41:49 | Cassandra | Oh, right. |
| 02:42:02 | Cassandra | In that case, ignore me. |
| 02:42:27 | linuxstb | Just seeking a tiny bit in that file fixes it (I think). |
| 02:42:49 | lostlogic | preglow: Flac: 205, mp3: 137, ogg: 129 |
| 02:43:01 | preglow | unlikely |
| 02:43:05 | preglow | flac should be lots faster than that |
| 02:43:11 | preglow | unless... |
| 02:43:15 | linuxstb | lostlogic: How fast is the CPU running? |
| 02:43:16 | preglow | what sample rate is it? |
| 02:43:27 | lostlogic | 124mhz |
| 02:43:33 | lostlogic | it's 582kbps |
| 02:43:37 | preglow | sample rate |
| 02:43:45 | preglow | oh, probably 44.1khz, then |
| 02:43:48 | lostlogic | I haven't let it get beyond the disk buffer phase yet |
| 02:43:53 | lostlogic | lemme run a longer test |
| 02:44:04 | preglow | i'd have expected flac to be at least 3x realtime |
| 02:44:32 | linuxstb | preglow: I've just checked - it's a standard 16-bit/44.1KHz flac. |
| 02:44:42 | linuxstb | FLAC can decode without boost at 34MHz. |
| 02:45:00 | preglow | linuxstb: and that was -8 file |
| 02:45:01 | Cassandra | I take it there's no iPod plugin support yet. |
| 02:45:02 | lostlogic | yeah, there's still something wrong with the calculation |
| 02:45:12 | preglow | Cassandra: yes there is |
| 02:45:15 | linuxstb | And it only boosts a little at the next CPU speed down - so I would expect at least 4x |
| 02:45:20 | preglow | Cassandra: try bejeweled, for example |
| 02:45:27 | Cassandra | linuxstb, do you need some info from me to update ipodpatcher? |
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| 02:46:16 | lostlogic | bagh, I think I'm still overflowing something somewhere −− flac's score dropped when I did a longer test |
| 02:46:35 | linuxstb | Cassandra: I'll try a fix now, if you can test it? I've already seen a boot sector which is probably the same as yours. |
| 02:46:36 | Cassandra | Ooh, pretty |
| 02:46:55 | Cassandra | No problem. |
| 02:47:07 | Cassandra | Anyone done a colour iPod wps yet? |
| 02:47:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think so. |
| 02:47:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You've got a Nano, right? |
| 02:48:02 | preglow | lostlogic: long longs over the entire board, and all will be fine |
| 02:48:13 | preglow | Cassandra: also try starfield |
| 02:48:30 | lostlogic | preglow: the counters shouldn't need to be long longs, eh? I don't want to do expensive 64bit math just to count |
| 02:48:54 | Cassandra | paul: yeah |
| 02:49:02 | preglow | shryg |
| 02:49:04 | preglow | shrug, too |
| 02:49:50 | lostlogic | flac just scored 310% over a 2:08 sample, testing the others with the latest tweaks |
| 02:50:09 | preglow | oooh |
| 02:50:38 | Cassandra | You knw what starfield really needs? Rockbox credits StarWars stylee. |
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| 02:50:44 | preglow | ahahaha |
| 02:50:46 | lostlogic | mp3 160kbps scored 235% |
| 02:50:48 | preglow | it also needs trails! |
| 02:50:52 | preglow | lostlogic: sounds about right |
| 02:51:10 | lostlogic | yeah, I think it's finally calculating right... testing ogg which should be very close to 200% |
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| 02:51:17 | preglow | slightly below |
| 02:51:38 | lostlogic | depends on the song and on the code your running, my oggs are generally 45% boost ;) |
| 02:51:54 | preglow | still a bit weird, though, flac does execute at below 45mhz |
| 02:52:00 | preglow | far below if it's not a -8 file |
| 02:52:04 | preglow | closer to 30mhz |
| 02:52:25 | linuxstb | Cassandra: This will hopefully work - it will abort if it doesn't recognise your Nano - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.zip |
| 02:52:31 | lostlogic | ogg scores 175% |
| 02:52:43 | lostlogic | scores overall seem a bit lower than what I would expect |
| 02:52:51 | lostlogic | but they are in line so at least provide a way to compare |
| 02:52:55 | preglow | sounds exactly like would have though |
| 02:53:00 | preglow | t |
| 02:53:04 | preglow | tiredness approaching |
| 02:53:34 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Is the disk being read during the decoding? |
| 02:53:53 | lostlogic | linuxstb: for some part of each yes... obviously more disk read on the flac because it's the largest file |
| 02:54:11 | preglow | ahh, disk reads, yes |
| 02:54:12 | preglow | forgot that |
| 02:54:37 | lostlogic | I'll see about making the same patch apply with the CVS pcmbuffer |
| 02:54:45 | lostlogic | shouldn't be _too_ hard |
| 02:54:50 | Cassandra | linuxstb: Yeah - that works. |
| 02:54:52 | preglow | lostlogic: it's no biggie |
| 02:55:04 | preglow | lostlogic: i'd rather you spent time on doing it properly if it's too much bother |
| 02:55:06 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Cool, thanks. ipodpatcher-0.3 it is then. |
| 02:55:41 | lostlogic | hmm, not that much, and I hate committing multiple features in one commit... |
| 02:56:02 | Cassandra | The Nano is so pretty. I wish you could fit a 60gb disk in one of these. |
| 02:56:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: There's already been some success in upgrading them to 8gb, and the same person theorized that 16 would be very possible. |
| 02:56:59 | Cassandra | linuxstb, you should make ipodpatcher enumerate the physical drives till it finds an iPod by default. |
| 02:57:41 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, 16 would be a whole lot better than 2. |
| 02:57:50 | Cassandra | But I doubt I'm up to the mod myself. |
| 02:57:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it wasn't an *easy* mod |
| 02:58:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | The guy was offering to mod 4gb->8gb for USD 225 |
| 02:58:28 | Cassandra | Ouch! |
| 02:58:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's apparently $85 for the flash memory, and the rest for labor. |
| 02:58:43 | Cassandra | I assume that included the cost of flash though. |
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| 02:58:58 | Cassandra | That's a lot for labour. |
| 02:59:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 02:59:05 | preglow | it's probably not an easy hack |
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| 03:00:17 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes, I probably should. Patches welcome :) |
| 03:00:25 | XavierGr | lostlogic: are those percentages on iPod? |
| 03:00:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.multiarcade.com/ |
| 03:00:53 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: My impression was that Nano "upgrade" was just a hoax. |
| 03:01:00 | lostlogic | XavierGr: no, h340 |
| 03:01:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | That one is? |
| 03:01:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd been lead to believe that one was real. *shrugs* I could easily be wrong. |
| 03:01:43 | XavierGr | ah it could be really interesting to see the scores when the iPod devs manage to make both CPUs work together. |
| 03:02:12 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I would be surprised if Apple had left a gap for you to solder another flash chip inside your Nano. |
| 03:03:13 | Cassandra | linuxstb, hey, that's my line! |
| 03:03:32 | linuxstb | I'm learning... |
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| 03:03:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: That was my first thought, then my second was "It makes it a lot easier for *them* to upgrade the product line" |
| 03:03:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, the *vast* majority of ipod owners are probably likely to never open theirs at all |
| 03:04:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well |
| 03:04:11 | linuxstb | But people have done, and posted pictures. |
| 03:04:17 | linuxstb | It would be easy to check. |
| 03:04:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 03:05:41 | Cassandra | It seems implausible that a device that small could afford the 'dead space' of an extra socket. |
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| 03:06:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fair enough. |
| 03:06:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let's go with "I'm wrong" allowing for the possibility of a pleasant surprise in the future, but without unnecessary hope. |
| 03:06:45 | XavierGr | f*cking companies trying to squezze a customers wallet as much as they can. |
| 03:06:55 | Cassandra | Is there a way to change the foreground and background colours, or did that not make it into the official build? |
| 03:07:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Not yet, but whispers are of "soon" |
| 03:07:36 | XavierGr | (or "make form the fly fat" as we say here) |
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| 03:11:20 | Cassandra | I might do one tomorrow. Been meaning to update boxes for a while. |
| 03:11:48 | lostlogic | preglow: linuxstb: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/codec_timer.patch Let me know what you think and if I should commit it (disabled of course) |
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| 03:11:50 | Cassandra | It's obviously my stupid question night. Is it just me or isn't the volume working? |
| 03:11:58 | preglow | lostlogic: i'll test it tomorrow |
| 03:12:07 | preglow | i have to start calling this a night before i conclude it's better not to sleep |
| 03:12:14 | preglow | so yall tomorrow |
| 03:12:15 | lostlogic | aight, I really gotta do real work too |
| 03:12:16 | preglow | night |
| 03:12:20 | lostlogic | night |
| 03:12:26 | Cassandra | Night preglow. |
| 03:12:29 | Cassandra | Sleep well. |
| 03:12:32 | preglow | sure will |
| 03:13:45 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes, there's no volume control yet. |
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| 03:15:14 | elinenbe | linuxstb: are you going to make the volume controls the same as the ipod... scroll for volume? |
| 03:15:21 | Cassandra | Dammit - I want this LCD in my iRiver! |
| 03:15:33 | Cassandra | elinenbe, it is at the moment. |
| 03:15:39 | linuxstb | elinenbe: Yes, the volume control already works, it's just that the volume itself doesn't change. |
| 03:15:44 | Cassandra | Just doesn't have any effect. |
| 03:15:56 | elinenbe | Cassandra: what ipod do you have? I got a nano today because of preglow and linuxstb's work... |
| 03:16:25 | linuxstb | elinenbe: Installed Rockbox yet? |
| 03:16:38 | Cassandra | A nano a friend kindly lent my to do Rockbox work on. |
| 03:16:47 | Cassandra | Since which I've had n bbloody time to do it. |
| 03:17:00 | Cassandra | (Moving in a months time. :( ) |
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| 03:20:14 | Cassandra | Right. Past my bedtime too. Nice work, linuxstb. |
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| 03:21:34 | elinenbe | linuxstb: first thing! |
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| 03:22:04 | elinenbe | linuxstb: I agree with the slow UI... everything gets backed up a bit... |
| 03:23:25 | linuxstb | During audio playback you mean? |
| 03:26:23 | elinenbe | yes |
| 03:28:39 | elinenbe | also, I feel as if it is going to be hard to map all the keys to the ipod... |
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| 03:29:37 | linuxstb | Yes, key mapping is going to be hard - but the Ondio has a similar low number of buttons. |
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| 03:30:06 | linuxstb | My preferred solution would be to try and move things to menus - key combinations are awkward on the ipod. |
| 03:30:27 | linuxstb | (it's designed to be used with one hand) |
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| 03:30:48 | Midgey34 | gah... I demand that the ondio have more buttons |
| 03:31:20 | elinenbe | brb |
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| 03:31:33 | Midgey34 | hmm, I seem to be missing limits.h |
| 03:31:44 | linuxstb | Time for bed. Goodnight. |
| 03:32:04 | linuxstb | Midgey34: Delete the devkit and install cygwin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 03:32:54 | Midgey34 | I figured as much |
| 03:33:06 | Midgey34 | I don't have time tonight, tomorrow then |
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| 03:55:31 | BHSPitLappy | hey |
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| 03:57:27 | lostlogic | c |
| 03:57:31 | lostlogic | gah, wrong window. |
| 03:58:47 | aliask | I've seen you do that c reflex too many times lostlogic... :) |
| 03:59:03 | lostlogic | yeah, I do... and today's been bad overall what with the c reflex and the accidental pastes |
| 03:59:31 | lostlogic | but I don't want to hear it because I made a null output timer today. :-P |
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| 04:00:12 | aliask | I don't exactly know what that does, or why it's useful, but I'll let you go on that one all the same... =P |
| 04:00:59 | lostlogic | hehe, to measure codec performance in another way other than my profiling code, I posted it to sourceforge with more info as well |
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| 04:09:22 | BHSPitLappy | so |
| 04:09:29 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 04:10:00 | BHSPitLappy | any good reason to beat down my system with a rockbox build today? :D |
| 04:14:48 | ashridah | a completely inaccessible equalizer? :) |
| 04:15:30 | lostlogic | updated musepack |
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| 04:30:23 | aliask | Woohoo, I think I killed my USB chip or something. Computer won't detect my player in either Rockbox or iriver firmware. |
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| 04:34:04 | thegeek | reason for celebration indeed |
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| 04:37:32 | owang | hey |
| 04:37:49 | aliask | yo |
| 04:38:18 | owang | is anyone here familiar with /app/dsp.c? im wondering what the ACC macro does. its hard to understand all this coldfire assembly |
| 04:39:06 | lostlogic | owang: that's preglow |
| 04:39:12 | lostlogic | s territory, and he's asleep |
| 04:39:26 | owang | ah hehe. cool. do you know what time zone he's on? |
| 04:39:43 | lostlogic | I think pretty close to GMT |
| 04:39:53 | owang | ok neat. ill try again tomorow then. thanks logic |
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| 05:11:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just posting: 6.5 hours and still runnin'. |
| 05:12:03 | Midgey34 | mp3 on nano? |
| 05:12:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ogg on Nano |
| 05:12:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ogg/Vorbis, rather |
| 05:12:35 | Midgey34 | ah, still impressive |
| 05:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm kinda surprised honestly |
| 05:15:12 | Midgey34 | and the cpu doesn't sleep at all right? |
| 05:15:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | NOpe |
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| 05:31:39 | Midgey34 | hmm, it appears the bleeding edge source on the website is also missing eq_cf.S |
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| 06:19:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Finally died, 7h 35 minutes. |
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| 06:24:33 | BHSPitLappy | terribly sorry |
| 06:25:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Terribly sorry? |
| 06:26:53 | midkay | terribly sorry! |
| 06:27:01 | BHSPitLappy | losing a loved one can be difficult |
| 06:27:15 | BHSPitLappy | just remember that they're never really gone where it matters. |
| 06:27:22 | ashridah | ahahaha |
| 06:27:25 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:28:26 | ashridah | BHSPitLappy: i'm not sure he's as devestated as you'd think, since he can just plug her into a wall and she'll come right back to life :) |
| 06:28:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I think 7.5 hours is pretty good for a first test of Vorbis on Nano, without CPU sleeping. |
| 06:29:10 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: will that work on grandpa? |
| 06:29:18 | ashridah | depends how quickly you do it |
| 06:29:22 | BHSPitLappy | ha |
| 06:36:25 | JdGordon | whats the time tag for the wps file? |
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| 07:23:28 | JdGordon | any1 know what the key combo is to change keyboard langue on xp is? |
| 07:24:09 | BHSPitLappy | whatever you set it to. |
| 07:24:21 | JdGordon | what would the deault be? |
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| 07:24:40 | JdGordon | im chatting to firends in israel and if they turn caps lock off it goes to hebrew which is no good... |
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| 07:25:15 | thegeek | can't they use the language bar or whatever it's called |
| 07:25:23 | JdGordon | its not there.. |
| 07:25:31 | thegeek | right-click |
| 07:25:32 | thegeek | toolbars |
| 07:25:34 | thegeek | and add? |
| 07:25:43 | thegeek | I don't use explorer so I don't really remember |
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| 07:43:20 | Bger | morning :) |
| 07:43:29 | JdGordon | howdy |
| 07:43:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mornin' |
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| 07:52:28 | amiconn | XavierGr: In case you declare you more declare variables than fit in the plugin RAM, the linker will complain ("region PLUGIN_RAM full"). |
| 07:52:58 | amiconn | If you somehow manage to overcome this, the plugin loader will refuse to load such a plugin |
| 07:53:45 | JdGordon | amiconn: and plugin ram on the iriv is 512k right? |
| 07:53:51 | amiconn | yes |
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| 08:04:04 | JdGordon | w000t... stupid fucking bugs |
| 08:04:09 | JdGordon | damn they r starting to piss me off |
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| 08:13:08 | BHSPitMonkey | has the USB feature on iPod been fixed? |
| 08:13:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 08:14:07 | BHSPitMonkey | rebooting to diskmode |
| 08:14:20 | BHSPitMonkey | that stopped working for me with the last build I made |
| 08:14:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 08:14:42 | BHSPitMonkey | it just shows the usb logo and freezes |
| 08:14:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It works for me, but mine's set to reboot into retailOS. Also, my last build is from about 10 hours ago. |
| 08:15:03 | BHSPitMonkey | ah |
| 08:15:14 | BHSPitMonkey | well, it used to reboot into hardware diskmode for me |
| 08:15:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that if you plug in after rockbox is loaded, or is that if plugging in wakes it from sleep? |
| 08:15:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, my build is slightly modified. I like retailOS because files transfer faster. |
| 08:15:44 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah |
| 08:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, is it if you boot rockbox, then plug in, or is it if you plug in, and that causes rockbox to boot? |
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| 08:16:41 | JdGordon | how do u check if a button is being repeated? |
| 08:16:41 | fairway | hi |
| 08:16:49 | fairway | does anyone have a wps for ipod photo in colour? |
| 08:16:53 | BHSPitMonkey | Paul_The_Nerd: probably both |
| 08:17:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: I know that when plugging the cable in wakes it from sleeping, it won't reboot properly into disk mode. |
| 08:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try turning it on, and then once you're in the directory view, plugging the cable, and let me know what happens. I'm curious if it's a new bug, or you just encountering the old one. |
| 08:18:19 | BHSPitMonkey | well, I built right after audio was committed |
| 08:18:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, then essentially the same one I'm running. |
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| 08:19:47 | BHSPitMonkey | ah, you were correct... |
| 08:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, then it's a known issue, it just hasn't been really looked at yet. |
| 08:20:00 | BHSPitMonkey | it does work that way, just never noticed the distinction |
| 08:20:38 | BHSPitMonkey | does the midi reader render the whole thing as wav? |
| 08:20:46 | BHSPitMonkey | (that is, if it worked) |
| 08:21:24 | fairway | did anyone else notice there's problem starting to play flac files on the ipod somtimes? |
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| 08:21:38 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 08:21:46 | Jungti1234 | What is Parametric EQ? |
| 08:21:48 | JdGordon | hey Jungti1234 |
| 08:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, if you have the patch set, the midi reader actually renders it to wav in ram, and it *used* to write it to disk, but that was removed. |
| 08:21:54 | Jungti1234 | Like this?: http://www.cdrunner.com/eq1a.gif |
| 08:21:59 | Jungti1234 | hi JdGordon |
| 08:22:11 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:22:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It can be used as a sort of benchmark, to see how fast midi playback would run. |
| 08:22:18 | BHSPitMonkey | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, isn't that more inefficient than how other sw-based midi players work? |
| 08:22:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not really familiar with how others work, or why it was chosen to do this one this way. I think it was an attempt to fit it into the existing codec architecture, but don't quote me. |
| 08:23:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: What sort of problem, specifically? |
| 08:23:16 | B4gder | it's just a lack of work on the midi parts |
| 08:23:30 | Jungti1234 | Is no there a person who know what it is? |
| 08:23:32 | BHSPitMonkey | I had a midi player on my pocketpc |
| 08:23:33 | dwihno | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7256.cfm <−− Go france! |
| 08:23:38 | B4gder | Jungti1234: an eq is an eq |
| 08:23:40 | fairway | Paul_The_Nerd: loading the flac play. you have to skip a bit to make it start play |
| 08:23:44 | BHSPitMonkey | fie on france. |
| 08:23:52 | B4gder | Jungti1234: just that we have no UI for it yet |
| 08:23:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: Is this on initial load, or sometimes when you hit "next track"? |
| 08:24:08 | Jungti1234 | B4gder: like this? http://www.cdrunner.com/eq1a.gif |
| 08:24:19 | B4gder | Jungti1234: just that we have no UI for it yet |
| 08:24:31 | B4gder | so how can it be like _any_ pic |
| 08:24:36 | fairway | Paul_The_Nerd: sometimes wen I hit next track |
| 08:24:42 | Jungti1234 | hm.. |
| 08:24:46 | fairway | Paul_The_Nerd: it is not when I don't use the next button |
| 08:24:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: Okay, that's a known issue. Track skipping has a glitch. |
| 08:25:07 | fairway | Paul_The_Nerd: ok |
| 08:25:19 | fairway | Paul_The_Nerd: does it only affect flac? |
| 08:25:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe if affects all file types |
| 08:25:34 | fairway | I see. |
| 08:25:57 | fairway | also can I use the themes from iriver 300 on the ipod photo? |
| 08:26:12 | B4gder | fairway: thet should work |
| 08:26:15 | B4gder | they |
| 08:26:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, they should |
| 08:26:42 | fairway | k |
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| 08:29:22 | fairway | what is rwps? |
| 08:29:29 | JdGordon | remote wps |
| 08:29:35 | JdGordon | for the remote's with lcd |
| 08:30:05 | BHSPitMonkey | crazy. |
| 08:30:10 | fairway | ah |
| 08:30:16 | BHSPitMonkey | why would they put lcd's on a remote? |
| 08:30:30 | JdGordon | to make ppl spend money |
| 08:30:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you can put the unit in a bag, or pocket, or elsewhere, and still browse tracks. |
| 08:30:39 | BHSPitMonkey | why not just have the mp3 player where the remote would be |
| 08:30:52 | BHSPitMonkey | and a rock where the player would be |
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| 08:31:34 | fairway | those themes do not look really good on the ipod photo |
| 08:32:25 | Bger | BHSPitMonkey in fact i pretty much like that iriver's have LCD on the remote |
| 08:34:21 | markun | Jungti1234: yes, that picture is an example of a parametric equalizer |
| 08:34:39 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 08:34:40 | Jungti1234 | thanks |
| 08:35:58 | JdGordon | alrighty.. my masterpiece is done.. |
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| 08:36:07 | BHSPitMonkey | mm? |
| 08:36:15 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 08:36:25 | needleboy | good morning folk\ |
| 08:36:32 | BHSPitMonkey | good 2am folk |
| 08:36:41 | needleboy | hehe |
| 08:37:05 | BHSPitMonkey | JdGordon: eh? |
| 08:37:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mornin' needleboy |
| 08:37:17 | Jungti1234 | hi needleboy |
| 08:37:29 | JdGordon | the stupid bloody timetable viewer which has been irtatinfg me for the last week :p |
| 08:37:45 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 08:38:06 | BHSPitMonkey | ah |
| 08:38:22 | BHSPitMonkey | is it not integrated with a calendar? |
| 08:38:43 | Jungti1234 | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/timetable.jpg |
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| 08:38:58 | JdGordon | BHSPitLappy: no |
| 08:39:08 | BHSPitMonkey | aw. |
| 08:39:11 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon |
| 08:39:12 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: old screeny.. looks nothing like that anymore |
| 08:39:37 | fairway | yes |
| 08:39:44 | Jungti1234 | You changed it more than picture that saw to me yesterday. |
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| 08:41:00 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: no, yesterdays screeny was .bmp |
| 08:41:12 | Jungti1234 | tt.bmp |
| 08:42:12 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/tt.zip <- for the h300 only |
| 08:42:17 | JdGordon | if any1 wants to play |
| 08:42:24 | fairway | what is it? |
| 08:42:52 | Jungti1234 | timetable |
| 08:42:57 | fairway | ah |
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| 08:45:22 | BHSPitMonkey | so still no volume control on ipod? |
| 08:45:30 | fairway | BHSPitMonkey: yep |
| 08:45:35 | fairway | BHSPitMonkey: hack yourself ;-) |
| 08:46:03 | BHSPitMonkey | not sure what that's supposed to mean... |
| 08:46:15 | BHSPitMonkey | what's standing in the way of variable volume? |
| 08:46:27 | fairway | is volume control hard to implement? |
| 08:46:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not so much hard as "nobody's bothered yet" |
| 08:46:43 | fairway | hehe |
| 08:46:53 | fairway | they dont bother much for the ipod |
| 08:47:27 | fairway | they ipod is such a great unit |
| 08:47:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's two people primarily working on the iPod. Preglow, and Linuxstb. I'm less of a coder than a tester / whipping boy, who occasionally spots something so obvious it's below notice. |
| 08:47:37 | BHSPitMonkey | that's kind of rude, preglow and linuxstb bust their asses |
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| 08:48:14 | BHSPitMonkey | (@fairway) |
| 08:48:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I understood correctly, volume requires drivers for the WM (some number. 89something? 4 digits) and though there's a datasheet, it's just not been done / incorporated into Rockbox yet. |
| 08:49:18 | fairway | ah ok |
| 08:49:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I could be wrong though, it could be something else entirely |
| 08:50:06 | fairway | acually you don't need volume control if you did replaygain your files |
| 08:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | My earphones have a volume slider, so it's not affecting me much anyway. |
| 08:51:22 | BHSPitMonkey | fairway: having control is useful for other reasons, too :P |
| 08:52:44 | fairway | my main feature is to have no problems when using track switching |
| 08:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's still in fairly early stages anyway. |
| 08:52:44 | fairway | true |
| 08:52:55 | fairway | but it looks very promising |
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| 09:01:26 | BHSPitMonkey | well, looks like it's just you and me again, Paul_The_Nerd |
| 09:01:39 | midkay | ej. |
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| 09:04:10 | BHSPitMonkey | boo. |
| 09:04:16 | Kingstone | hoo |
| 09:04:17 | JdGordon | AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 09:04:24 | BHSPitMonkey | !!! |
| 09:04:28 | BHSPitMonkey | Kingstone speaks??? |
| 09:04:32 | BHSPitMonkey | w-w-what's happening? |
| 09:05:07 | Paprica | rr fucking school |
| 09:05:08 | Paprica | =\ |
| 09:05:19 | Paprica | i woke up in 9 |
| 09:05:22 | Paprica | go to school |
| 09:05:30 | Paprica | and 2 free hours |
| 09:05:35 | BHSPitMonkey | Kingstone: what's with the lack of leadership in #ipodwizard ? :P |
| 09:05:37 | Paprica | at* |
| 09:05:57 | Kingstone | what do you mean |
| 09:06:13 | Kingstone | no op? |
| 09:06:14 | BHSPitMonkey | you've never said a word as long as i've been there |
| 09:06:29 | Kingstone | i'm pretty busy in the last few weeks |
| 09:06:34 | BHSPitMonkey | and I've been a regular for quite some time now :P |
| 09:06:41 | BHSPitMonkey | meh, k |
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| 09:28:51 | JdGordon | LinusN: , preglow, u der? |
| 09:29:03 | LinusN | yup |
| 09:29:27 | JdGordon | the eq gui... do u want something like winamps? or a boring one? |
| 09:30:24 | JdGordon | im done with my plugin, so i dont mind doing the gui for it, unless some1 has started alkready? |
| 09:30:59 | LinusN | i'd like something simple, pretty much like the rio |
| 09:31:38 | LinusN | some horizontal sliders |
| 09:33:24 | Bger | why not vertical :) |
| 09:34:20 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: not too shabby considering the state of rockbox |
| 09:34:29 | thegeek | vertical ! |
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| 09:38:03 | Bger | JdGordon i'd like to make them as a widget ... and if u add them to the multiscreen api ..:) |
| 09:38:23 | Membrillo | I'd be happy with just a numeric based EQ for now to be honest |
| 09:38:26 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:38:32 | preglow | then make it! |
| 09:38:33 | preglow | :-) |
| 09:38:53 | Bger | hehe |
| 09:39:02 | preglow | what, you think you're going to have some fancy ass gui with sliders? |
| 09:39:10 | preglow | don't that'll happen |
| 09:39:13 | JdGordon | hell ye |
| 09:39:18 | preglow | don't _think_ that'll happen |
| 09:39:39 | JdGordon | sliders are fun... ill code em if u tell me whats needed.. |
| 09:40:20 | preglow | do whatever you want, i wasn't kidding when i said i won't be involved with the gui, heh |
| 09:40:25 | Bger | :) |
| 09:40:59 | Bger | people @ MR for sure will appreciate the "fancy ass gui" |
| 09:41:01 | Bger | :P |
| 09:41:16 | Membrillo | MR is a bunch of 12 year olds. |
| 09:41:26 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:41:44 | Bger | Membrillo i'm not sure :) |
| 09:42:03 | Bger | there was a thread like "how old are you, guys" |
| 09:42:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I was rather impressed actually. Every 30 minutes or so after 5 hours I thought "Hrm.. any minute now, I'm sure" |
| 09:42:05 | BHSPitLappy | morning, preggerz |
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| 09:45:47 | preglow | helo |
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| 09:49:01 | Jungti1234 | Paprica? |
| 09:49:06 | Paprica | ? |
| 09:49:12 | Jungti1234 | ok |
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| 09:50:53 | BHSPitLappy | Paprica: just be happy someone's concerned for your well-being :) |
| 09:51:13 | Paprica | hihi |
| 09:51:41 | BHSPitLappy | heyhey |
| 09:52:33 | Jungti1234 | hoho |
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| 09:55:56 | needleboy | damn pc |
| 09:55:59 | needleboy | good mornng again |
| 09:56:41 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 09:57:14 | Jungti1234 | needleboy: Perhaps, Korean language file doesn't work. |
| 09:57:26 | needleboy | what do you mean? |
| 09:57:41 | needleboy | i just took the one you gave me and replaced the original with it. |
| 09:57:59 | Jungti1234 | I'm going to upload again it. |
| 09:58:16 | needleboy | ok, let me know. i'm compiling a version in about 30 minutes, so... |
| 09:58:43 | needleboy | some of the H300 Optimized users complained about crashing players when starting to play mp3s |
| 09:58:56 | needleboy | has anyone seen this behaviour since last night in the normal builds? |
| 09:59:30 | needleboy | i had a theory that this might be because of the new WPS caching, and the WPS doesn't load properly when starting to play... told them to try and reload the WPS. |
| 09:59:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't seen anyone mention it in here. |
| 09:59:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it just MP3s, or all music files? |
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| 10:00:14 | needleboy | all of them said mp3... but that might be just a coincedence |
| 10:01:20 | B4gder | btw, I am pretty sure I am against the bmp cache thing |
| 10:01:27 | preglow | yes, me too |
| 10:01:48 | needleboy | i haven't seen too much improvement... |
| 10:02:08 | preglow | needleboy: i think you've got linus' bug from yesterday night |
| 10:02:52 | needleboy | what bug? |
| 10:03:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | WPSes with graphics, or at least monochrome bitmaps, didn't seem to work at all for a little while |
| 10:03:51 | needleboy | i'll recompile with the current CVS and we'll see |
| 10:04:49 | B4gder | btw, I should add daily builds for the ipods, shouldn't I? |
| 10:06:49 | preglow | would be nice |
| 10:06:54 | preglow | now that it's actually usable |
| 10:07:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 10:07:12 | B4gder | do we have little pics for them ? |
| 10:09:28 | preglow | hmm |
| 10:09:33 | preglow | perhaps? :) |
| 10:09:59 | BHSPitLappy | someone gonna make them or am I gonna have to? :P |
| 10:11:23 | BHSPitLappy | actually, to follow the trend I'd have to take a photo with the rockbox logo on the screen |
| 10:11:41 | BHSPitLappy | and my webcam wouldn't fare well probably :/ |
| 10:18:38 | B4gder | you need a scanner to make the pic really good |
| 10:19:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | And all I have is a digicam |
| 10:19:44 | BHSPitLappy | ah, forgot about scanners :P |
| 10:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about just adapting the image used for the simulator builds? |
| 10:19:52 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 10:19:54 | BHSPitLappy | cheap! |
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| 10:20:11 | BHSPitLappy | might as well photoshop the rb logo into a press release photo |
| 10:20:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 10:20:25 | BHSPitLappy | there needs to be 4g, nano and 5G right? |
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| 10:21:07 | B4gder | I don't add any 5G to the daily page yet |
| 10:21:12 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
| 10:21:35 | BHSPitLappy | ah, i see now |
| 10:22:05 | BHSPitLappy | "ipodcolor" "ipodnano" <- a little runon, don'tcha think? ;0 |
| 10:22:48 | B4gder | they all use the dense version of the names |
| 10:22:54 | BHSPitLappy | meh |
| 10:23:02 | B4gder | but perhaps I should use the longish |
| 10:23:05 | BHSPitLappy | iPods are specialer! |
| 10:23:40 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: How did your Vorbis test go? |
| 10:23:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: 7h, 35min |
| 10:24:00 | * | B4gder runs a custom daily for the ipods atm |
| 10:24:35 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Not bad. I don't think my ipod was fully charged for my FLAC test, so I'm going to run it again today. |
| 10:24:53 | Bger | is there a more "legal" way to get the screen's size in lines than lsc_getstringsize(blah,&width,&height); screen_lines=LCD_HEIGHT/height; ? |
| 10:25:41 | preglow | B4gder: don't forget the eq_sf.S issue |
| 10:25:44 | B4gder | there, dailies in place |
| 10:25:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Considering the "optimum" life being 14h, I'd say that's pretty good all things considered. Hehehe. |
| 10:26:02 | B4gder | preglow: I started having a look at it... it sure is puzzling |
| 10:27:30 | preglow | seems i made the first .S file in apps/ |
| 10:27:34 | preglow | i'll add S to FILES |
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| 10:28:03 | B4gder | the source tarball sure is huge these days |
| 10:28:07 | preglow | i can imagine |
| 10:29:15 | B4gder | the daily build dir takes 610MB on the server |
| 10:29:28 | B4gder | for just the zips |
| 10:29:36 | needleboy | 8-O |
| 10:29:46 | needleboy | how many past version's that? |
| 10:29:57 | B4gder | 30 day backlog |
| 10:30:25 | ashridah | B4gder: wouldn't it be more intelligent to build the source tarball for anything but 'today' out of cvs itself? |
| 10:30:38 | ashridah | ie, they're not goign to get used very often... |
| 10:31:01 | B4gder | well, the whole source tarball idea is for people scared of cvs |
| 10:31:18 | preglow | i say we force them :-) |
| 10:31:21 | B4gder | or those who can't reach it due to proxies/firewalls |
| 10:31:33 | ashridah | B4gder: i mean automagically when someone hits the download link (provided 'zip' can provide streamed output) |
| 10:31:59 | B4gder | well, it could of course be made like that, but it would mean more work for me :-) |
| 10:32:05 | ashridah | similar to the way some people setup those download sites that use a script to obfuscate the url with a session id and whatnot |
| 10:32:19 | ashridah | bah, space/effort tradeoff :) |
| 10:32:28 | B4gder | we have the space ;-) |
| 10:33:09 | BHSPitLappy | anyone know the values of the default background color? |
| 10:33:15 | B4gder | but of course, such a script could would be able to make archives older than 30 days |
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| 10:37:36 | BHSPitLappy | or, what dumps screens from the sim? |
| 10:38:05 | B4gder | there's a key for screendump in the sim |
| 10:38:19 | JdGordon | num 0 in the sim does a dump |
| 10:38:27 | JdGordon | well.. on the h300 anyway |
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| 10:41:01 | linuxstb | ...or F5 |
| 10:41:25 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Default fg/bg colours are defined in firmware/export/lcd.h |
| 10:41:35 | BHSPitLappy | thanks |
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| 10:51:25 | BHSPitLappy | in case it's wanted, here: http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3311/nanorock4ek.jpg |
| 10:51:31 | BHSPitLappy | (nano tinypic) |
| 10:52:06 | B4gder | nice |
| 10:53:48 | BHSPitLappy | sweet |
| 10:54:05 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Agreed, nice pic. Can you do a 4G Color/Photo as well? |
| 10:54:18 | BHSPitLappy | i s'pose... |
| 10:54:33 | linuxstb | B4gder: That was quick... |
| 10:54:39 | BHSPitLappy | indeed |
| 10:54:57 | B4gder | I have a fairly good system for the model => pic mapping |
| 10:55:36 | BHSPitLappy | wth |
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| 10:55:48 | BHSPitLappy | it won't let me create a 4G makefile |
| 10:56:08 | BHSPitLappy | says I don't have sdl installed so it won't let me make it, even though I JUST built it for nano |
| 10:56:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you sure you made the SDL sim, and not the other one? |
| 10:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I need to try out that SDL sim patch, and see if it makes it work. |
| 10:57:29 | BHSPitLappy | I thought I did, cause I thought the other one didn't work |
| 10:57:54 | BHSPitLappy | ok, building win32 |
| 10:58:05 | BHSPitLappy | maybe i was thinking of my build over on the linux box |
| 10:58:28 | linuxstb | The SDL sim doesn't work yet in Windows anyway. |
| 10:58:43 | B4gder | and the x11 sim doesn't do colors |
| 10:59:17 | linuxstb | Someone was here the other day saying he/she had fixed most of the SDL windows problems. But I don't think we ever saw a patch... |
| 10:59:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: There's one on the patch tracker, claiming to fix 'em |
| 10:59:31 | LinusN | yes we did |
| 10:59:35 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:59:41 | B4gder | "[ 1417462 ] Improved SDL Simulator" |
| 10:59:44 | linuxstb | Cool. Didn't notice that. |
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| 11:00:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 11:02:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `UI-h120.bmp', needed by `/home/DarkkOne/rockbox-devel/h120sim/UI256.bmp'. Stop. |
| 11:03:22 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Is this the win32 sdl sim patch? |
| 11:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yessir |
| 11:03:35 | linuxstb | You should just be able to copy them from the win32 directory. |
| 11:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 11:03:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:04:03 | B4gder | do people want those pics in the sim? |
| 11:04:26 | linuxstb | I don't really care. amiconn has expressed a desire for them. |
| 11:04:28 | preglow | you mean the unit boitmap? |
| 11:04:31 | preglow | amiconn really seems to want them |
| 11:04:40 | preglow | i couldn't care less |
| 11:04:45 | B4gder | personally I'd find them annnoying |
| 11:04:56 | preglow | no, i do care, i want them removed |
| 11:04:58 | preglow | theyære annoying |
| 11:04:59 | preglow | heh |
| 11:05:08 | preglow | back to typing like a pig, i see |
| 11:05:09 | preglow | good, good |
| 11:05:25 | B4gder | I do lots of sim-running of a network and adding even more bitmaps will just make it worse |
| 11:05:31 | B4gder | ...over network |
| 11:05:47 | linuxstb | Maybe the SDL sim could toggle them on/off. |
| 11:06:03 | B4gder | yes, that would be good |
| 11:06:27 | preglow | i can't possibly see a use for the bitmaps |
| 11:07:01 | preglow | but anywho, i never use the sims |
| 11:09:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, the SDL sim seems to work (graphically, at least) |
| 11:09:57 | BHSPitLappy | B4gder: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9481/4grock0nv.jpg |
| 11:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I never could get sound to work in the sims, and that bit hasn't changed. :) |
| 11:11:52 | B4gder | that is more obvious a fake |
| 11:12:21 | B4gder | but anyway, I added it |
| 11:12:24 | BHSPitLappy | they're both stock photos, everybody can tell at first glance |
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| 11:18:54 | BHSPitLappy | alternate > http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/889/4grock24vj.jpg |
| 11:21:55 | LinusN | i like the alternate one better |
| 11:22:08 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: That second one is looking good. For the Nano, could you remove the reflection? |
| 11:22:36 | BHSPitLappy | well I didn't "add" it, that's the press pic for the nano :S |
| 11:22:42 | linuxstb | I know :) |
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| 11:29:56 | BHSPitLappy | http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4443/nanorock20hf.jpg |
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| 11:30:50 | linuxstb | Perfect :) It doesn't look like the press photo any more. |
| 11:31:22 | BHSPitLappy | yeah. that was fun doing by hand |
| 11:31:42 | linuxstb | But a good contribution to Rockbox. |
| 11:31:51 | BHSPitLappy | hyup. |
| 11:32:16 | BHSPitLappy | "Contributions: the little thumbnails on teh download page!" |
| 11:33:27 | BHSPitLappy | so do we need to highlight B4gder? (just did ;)) |
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| 11:40:25 | BHSPitLappy | B4gder: and while I'm at it, http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6230/h300rock5nc.jpg |
| 11:40:33 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: He's probably on another coffee break..... |
| 11:40:39 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
| 11:40:57 | aliask | Heh, I was about to add, the H300 looked out of place |
| 11:41:09 | BHSPitLappy | they'll fall into the hands of whomever they need to :P |
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| 11:41:46 | Jungti1234 | http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/889/4grock24vj.jpg |
| 11:42:06 | Jungti1234 | It's much better. |
| 11:42:23 | BHSPitLappy | thanks, but there's no reason to repeat links :) |
| 11:43:08 | BHSPitLappy | well, I'm out like a fat kid in dodgeball. later |
| 11:43:20 | linuxstb | Jungti1234: That one has already been chosen. |
| 11:43:27 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Goodnight. |
| 11:43:33 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 11:43:35 | Jungti1234 | ok |
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| 11:44:01 | preglow | linuxstb: where can i find a wolfson datasheet? |
| 11:44:09 | preglow | linuxstb: i can't even remeber what model numbers to look for |
| 11:44:36 | linuxstb | Just download the one linked to from the ipodlinux.org/Generations page. |
| 11:44:59 | preglow | okiedoke |
| 11:45:09 | preglow | lunchlunch |
| 11:46:47 | linuxstb | My initialisation of the codec is the same as ipodlinux's at the moment. But we should probably study the datasheet and see if we can improve anything. |
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| 11:48:51 | Jungti1234 | ah damn |
| 11:49:09 | Jungti1234 | needleboy.........:'( |
| 11:54:06 | preglow | would be good to know on which points our codec differs from the one in the datasheet, thougj |
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| 11:56:07 | linuxstb | Yes. I suppose we could always contact Wolfson to ask for the WM8975 datasheet. |
| 11:56:34 | preglow | would be nice |
| 11:56:54 | linuxstb | That chip isn't even listed on Wolfson's website (afaics) |
| 11:57:05 | preglow | sounds promising |
| 11:58:02 | linuxstb | Do you know if retailos makes much use of the cop? |
| 11:58:28 | preglow | nope, i was thinking of asking the ipl people |
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| 12:06:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it does, I don't think it uses it well. I've noticed some UI sluggishness during MP3 playback. |
| 12:06:51 | preglow | really now |
| 12:07:02 | preglow | they clock the cpu really low during decoding, i know that |
| 12:08:33 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Fancy creating an "IpodRuntime" wiki page so we can start documenting our tests? |
| 12:09:02 | preglow | man, this codec is packed with features |
| 12:10:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It's 5 am here. I'll pass out soon, but when I wake I'll happily do so. |
| 12:10:01 | linuxstb | My battery was definitely not fully charged for my FLAC test - I've never charged it fully before, and didn't realise it actually came up "charged" when it finished :) I just stopped charging after a couple of hours when the battery indicator was full. |
| 12:10:22 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: No problem. I may do it later, but if it's not there, feel free. |
| 12:10:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ok. |
| 12:10:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm off for the night. |
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| 12:10:58 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes. But I didn't spot a hardware eq in there. |
| 12:11:05 | linuxstb | (apart from bass/treble). |
| 12:12:12 | preglow | a bit bold calling that a 'graphic equaliser' |
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| 12:13:02 | linuxstb | I think I've read that using the eq in retailos significantly decreases battery life. So that implies it's software. |
| 12:13:11 | preglow | ahhaha |
| 12:13:12 | preglow | well |
| 12:13:21 | preglow | they certainly outdo themselves with the settings in that case |
| 12:13:25 | preglow | software eq, and nothing but presets |
| 12:13:47 | linuxstb | Obviously ipod users can't use an eq themselves... |
| 12:14:17 | preglow | they can't use anything |
| 12:14:21 | preglow | retailos has no options |
| 12:14:43 | linuxstb | You can choose whether or not to display the time in the status bar.... |
| 12:14:53 | preglow | ahh, yes, there's that |
| 12:17:11 | linuxstb | It will be interesting to see how well the codecs work on the 3Gs. I would imagine our iram usage will help significantly. |
| 12:18:08 | preglow | yes |
| 12:18:11 | linuxstb | And someone will need to code a firewire driver... |
| 12:18:16 | preglow | hahahha |
| 12:18:54 | preglow | good luck to that |
| 12:20:15 | preglow | man, calling this i a graphic equaliser truly is the very peak of creative language |
| 12:20:31 | preglow | it's a bloody bass/treble cut/boost |
| 12:22:55 | preglow | don't they specify how the 80 steps between +6db and -67db look like just to act cool, or what? |
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| 12:26:01 | linuxstb | It gives the values for 6dB, 0dB and -67dB - what more do you need? ;) |
| 12:26:28 | linuxstb | Curiously, the IPL driver states that the DAC goes from 6dB to -73dB - one step equals 1dB. |
| 12:29:37 | linuxstb | But maybe that's just left over from the older wm8721/wm8731 driver. |
| 12:33:22 | linuxstb | lol - nice email to the Rockbox mailing list - "Please stop sending emails about rockbox!!!!!!" |
| 12:34:48 | linuxstb | B4gder: In case you missed it, can you update the daily builds Nano thumbnail to this one? http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4443/nanorock20hf.jpg |
| 12:35:15 | B4gder | done |
| 12:35:19 | linuxstb | Damn... |
| 12:35:36 | Slasheri | oh, they called from Thomann today and promised i will get the Shure E4s at this week :) |
| 12:35:45 | preglow | ahahaha |
| 12:36:21 | B4gder | I unsuscribed the confused person |
| 12:36:44 | preglow | Slasheri: tagcache delegated to next weekend? :> |
| 12:37:29 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I think you know this already, but dircache doesn't work on Archos or iPod due to unaligned memory accesses.... |
| 12:38:02 | Slasheri | probably yes.. wtf, i just accidentally kicked work computer and hit the reset button :( now its booting. |
| 12:38:13 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes |
| 12:38:24 | Slasheri | that would be easy to fix |
| 12:38:37 | preglow | i used to have a pc where a simple touch would reboot it |
| 12:38:39 | Slasheri | but impossible for me to try if the fix wworks |
| 12:38:41 | preglow | it was bliss to work on |
| 12:38:53 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I'm happy to test :) |
| 12:38:58 | Slasheri | i will disconnect that damn reset button no.. |
| 12:39:03 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 12:39:46 | cpu | hi |
| 12:40:09 | cpu | I have question about ogg |
| 12:40:16 | LinusN | shoot |
| 12:40:29 | Bger | amiconn ? |
| 12:40:45 | cpu | with high -q (8-10) I don't have continous playback |
| 12:41:03 | linuxstb | On which player? |
| 12:41:14 | cpu | for example I have Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon SACD - ogg -q 10 |
| 12:41:19 | cpu | h3xx |
| 12:41:20 | preglow | q10 won't work |
| 12:41:22 | preglow | no surprise |
| 12:41:24 | preglow | ogg needs work |
| 12:41:40 | preglow | vorbis isn't suited to bitrates that high anyway |
| 12:41:44 | cpu | but I have problems on lower -q too |
| 12:42:01 | cpu | -q 8 |
| 12:42:11 | LinusN | h300 has general performance problems |
| 12:42:18 | LinusN | -q 8, you call that low? |
| 12:42:31 | cpu | is it possible to fix this performance ? |
| 12:42:36 | cpu | lower than -q 10 :) |
| 12:42:44 | preglow | possible, yes |
| 12:42:46 | preglow | requires work, though |
| 12:43:03 | LinusN | cpu: if you need that high quality, you could consider flac |
| 12:43:44 | cpu | yep I mainly use FLAC |
| 12:44:33 | preglow | or wavpack |
| 12:44:37 | preglow | which will compress it a bit more |
| 12:44:41 | cpu | I found that FLAC have less disk usage than ogg with high -q |
| 12:44:46 | preglow | but yeah, vorbis will not be optimal at those high bitrates |
| 12:44:52 | preglow | it's tuned for lower bitrates |
| 12:45:08 | cpu | most of my collection is in flac and some pink floyd albums in shorten |
| 12:45:49 | cpu | anyway thanks for explanation |
| 12:46:02 | Paprica | mm |
| 12:46:03 | Paprica | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6191/h30060x805wg.jpg |
| 12:46:18 | Paprica | can some one change the picture on the daily build page? |
| 12:46:30 | LinusN | what's wrong with the pic on that page? |
| 12:46:47 | LinusN | the bg shade? |
| 12:46:51 | Paprica | different from the others |
| 12:46:52 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/h300-60x80.jpg |
| 12:47:34 | cpu | anyone tested FLAC battery usage ? |
| 12:47:40 | B4gder | the bg shade differs bewteen several of those pics |
| 12:47:44 | LinusN | Paprica: better? |
| 12:48:08 | Paprica | ? |
| 12:48:17 | preglow | cpu: flac is our most efficient codec |
| 12:48:26 | preglow | cpu: it's just that h3x0 in general has issues with power these days |
| 12:48:51 | LinusN | Paprica: is the daily build page better now? |
| 12:48:57 | cpu | batt drain ? |
| 12:49:01 | preglow | yeah |
| 12:49:11 | Paprica | hihi |
| 12:49:13 | Paprica | yes |
| 12:49:14 | Paprica | 10x |
| 12:49:15 | Paprica | =] |
| 12:49:27 | preglow | someone get working on the eq gui! |
| 12:49:39 | cpu | but this only happens when I use h3x0 during charging ? |
| 12:50:40 | LinusN | preglow, linuxstb: "ipod color"? isn't the official name "ipod photo"? |
| 12:51:20 | linuxstb | I think it was initially sold as "iPod Photo" and then just plain "iPod". Apple now call every ipod just "iPod". |
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| 12:51:33 | linuxstb | But I'm pretty sure it's known as the iPod Color. |
| 12:51:53 | LinusN | i searched on ebay, and "photo" seems to be the common name for it |
| 12:52:04 | preglow | photo is the old name |
| 12:52:08 | preglow | it's now called color, mostly |
| 12:52:14 | preglow | apple just couldn't decide |
| 12:54:33 | cpu | oh another question - wavpack 5.1 will be downmixed to 2.0 ? |
| 12:54:45 | preglow | no, it will just decode two of the channels |
| 12:54:57 | preglow | we'd never have enough cpu for doing a downmixing on so many channels |
| 12:55:06 | preglow | but yeah, it was launched as photo, was renamed to color, and is now just referred to as ipod 4g |
| 12:55:18 | cpu | thanks |
| 12:55:25 | LinusN | is the ipod color 30gb single or double platter? |
| 12:56:06 | Paprica | mm there is a tool for rb2bmp? =\ |
| 12:56:13 | LinusN | no |
| 12:56:26 | LinusN | run it in the sim and take a screenshot |
| 12:56:39 | Paprica | shit |
| 12:56:42 | cpu | and max boost for cpu in h3x0 is 124 but I read in docs that this cpu max freq is 140 why don't boost cpu to it's max f ? |
| 12:56:43 | Paprica | i need all the icons |
| 12:56:44 | Paprica | =\ |
| 12:56:52 | preglow | cpu: excessive heat |
| 12:56:54 | preglow | cpu: it'll crash |
| 12:56:58 | LinusN | Paprica: what icons? |
| 12:57:12 | Paprica | folders, files, mute... |
| 12:57:33 | cpu | ok now I know everything thanks guys and thanks for rockbox! |
| 12:57:43 | preglow | you're welcome |
| 12:57:56 | cpu | bye |
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| 12:58:44 | JdGordon | hey, is h140 same as iHP-140? |
| 12:58:55 | B4gder | yes |
| 12:59:07 | preglow | SoundCodecs needs some cleaning up |
| 12:59:17 | preglow | JdGordon: so, getting anywhere with the gui? |
| 12:59:29 | JdGordon | no... |
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| 13:00:28 | JdGordon | bloody 5am wake up tomorow.. gnite all |
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| 13:01:17 | * | preglow drools over the helix codecs... |
| 13:01:41 | linuxstb | preglow: Stop that! |
| 13:01:41 | preglow | seems lots of them are optimised for arm |
| 13:02:05 | preglow | bloody licensing |
| 13:02:08 | preglow | very nice codecs |
| 13:02:13 | preglow | small footprint, fast |
| 13:02:32 | linuxstb | Yep, realplayer runs on lots of small devices now. |
| 13:02:56 | linuxstb | I'm sure there are some nice video codecs there as well.... |
| 13:03:03 | linuxstb | Or are they not open sourced? |
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| 13:05:32 | merbanan | linuxstb: only aac and mp3 |
| 13:06:15 | merbanan | they keep their good stuff to them selvs |
| 13:06:44 | preglow | i think mp3 and aac qualifies as good stuff... |
| 13:07:05 | merbanan | preglow: the good video stuff |
| 13:07:08 | linuxstb | Is it just a layer-3 mpeg decoder? |
| 13:07:30 | preglow | looks like it |
| 13:07:31 | merbanan | no they have the xing based encoder also |
| 13:08:03 | preglow | they mention the decoders take 30mhz at 320kbps for arm7tdmi |
| 13:08:05 | preglow | i wonder if that is with iram... |
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| 13:08:58 | linuxstb | Is it as accurate as libmad? |
| 13:10:01 | petur | is xing any good quality-wise these days? |
| 13:10:17 | merbanan | just a question, why not provide the glue for the helix codecs but not distribute it in binary ? |
| 13:11:17 | merbanan | petur: it was based on xing, but the tuned it abit, right now it's faster then lame but less quality |
| 13:11:41 | linuxstb | I don't think we would want to go down that route. Third-parties would then start distributing Rockbox with those "illegal" codecs.... |
| 13:12:18 | B4gder | and it is questionable license-wise too |
| 13:12:20 | linuxstb | And IMO, we would (at least) be violating the spirit of the GPL. |
| 13:12:54 | linuxstb | We should spend the effort improving the GPL'd codecs instead. |
| 13:15:55 | merbanan | true, I guess it's just twisting the words with letting the user getting the source and compiling |
| 13:16:19 | linuxstb | Also, any "glue" would probably involving using helix-licensed code anyway. |
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| 13:24:22 | B4gder | front page news updated |
| 13:25:08 | linuxstb | lwn got there before you :) |
| 13:25:32 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:26:07 | LinusN | funny comment on hydrogenaudio: "There is no audio on the Video yet." |
| 13:27:04 | linuxstb | That's a quote from our wiki... |
| 13:27:26 | LinusN | ah |
| 13:27:34 | LinusN | still somewhat amusing |
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| 13:28:08 | ashridah | video killed the radio star? |
| 13:28:13 | ashridah | ?) |
| 13:28:16 | ashridah | :) even |
| 13:28:30 | B4gder | there's no video on the Video either ;-) |
| 13:28:34 | LinusN | haha |
| 13:33:03 | Bger | :D |
| 13:36:15 | Bger | what's the default plugin stack size on hxxx? |
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| 13:41:50 | linuxstb | Bger: AFAIK, plugins run in the main thread - so it's defined in firmware/app.lds (8KB) |
| 13:43:24 | * | Bger tried to run a plugin thread with 800 bytes stack ... |
| 13:43:36 | Bger | heh. .. first i tried to run it with 300 bytes ... :) |
| 13:44:42 | linuxstb | Are you trying to create a separate plugin thread? |
| 13:44:51 | Bger | linuxstb can i ask you something ? would you (if u can atm, of course) look at apps/plugins/battery_bench.c; thread() func |
| 13:45:02 | Bger | if you remove the struct from there ... |
| 13:45:14 | Bger | and make it global... |
| 13:45:22 | Bger | how much stack will this func need ... |
| 13:46:03 | Bger | i mean the struct var 'bat' |
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| 13:46:09 | B4gder | objdump it and read the asm, it moved the stack pointer in the start of the func |
| 13:46:12 | B4gder | moves |
| 13:46:44 | Bger | B4gder if i know how do to it ... |
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| 13:47:56 | B4gder | you can also run gcc with -S -fverbose-asm to get the assembler version |
| 13:48:12 | linuxstb | Bger: I count 16 int/char variables (lets assume even chars take 4 bytes), so 64 bytes plus the size of the event struct. I've no idea if gcc will put other things on the stack though. |
| 13:48:32 | Bger | linuxstb this is bad .... really bad ... |
| 13:48:35 | linuxstb | Sorry 18 int/chars. |
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| 13:49:21 | Jungti1234 | Paprica? |
| 13:49:26 | Paprica | ? |
| 13:50:30 | Rob2222 | ! |
| 13:50:40 | Rob2222 | ? |
| 13:50:46 | Rob2222 | ... |
| 13:51:20 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: you know bug? |
| 13:51:33 | Paprica | ? |
| 13:53:06 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/dump 400103-203558.bmp |
| 13:53:10 | linuxstb | Bger: I've just done what B4gder suggested - do m68k-elf-objdump -D apps/plugins/battery_bench.o in your build directory and look at the start of the thread() function. |
| 13:53:16 | Jungti1234 | sorry |
| 13:53:29 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/dump%20400103-203558.bmp |
| 13:53:30 | Bger | linuxstb 10x, i'll look at it |
| 13:53:55 | Paprica | where is the bug.. |
| 13:54:09 | Jungti1234 | Have all margins. |
| 13:55:02 | linuxstb | Bger: Remember that the stack grows downwards towards zero - so you'll see numbers being subtracted from the stack pointer. |
| 13:55:14 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/dump%20400103-184435.bmp <- original |
| 13:55:38 | Bger | fp = stack pointer ? |
| 13:56:20 | Paprica | give me the wps. |
| 13:56:21 | Paprica | .. |
| 13:56:43 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 13:57:00 | linuxstb | Bger: Not sure about m68k. I did the equivalent on ARM, and it was much clearer... |
| 13:57:56 | Bger | that's because u've learned arm asm :) |
| 13:58:28 | Bger | so, 888 bytes should be enough ? ... |
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| 13:59:31 | LinusN | as anyone seen any problem with paprica's margin patch? |
| 13:59:34 | LinusN | has |
| 13:59:39 | tucoz | Hi. Someone posted the news of rockbox on ipod on digg as well. http://digg.com/hardware/Rockbox_now_available_for_iPods |
| 13:59:47 | Paprica | Jungti1234, you dont know how to use it. |
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| 14:00:13 | linuxstb | LinusN: I only looked at it briefly - does he now call the variables/functions left/right margin instead of x1/x2 ? |
| 14:00:21 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:00:31 | linuxstb | And is right margin a real margin, or the width? |
| 14:00:37 | LinusN | the width |
| 14:01:12 | linuxstb | Then I'm not convinced it should be called rightmargin. I would interpret that to mean the size of the margin. |
| 14:01:16 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: yes |
| 14:01:26 | LinusN | ultimately, we should transform lcd_setmargins() to lcd_set_viewport() |
| 14:01:56 | Paprica | Jungti1234, use %m|10|205| |
| 14:02:02 | Jungti1234 | why? |
| 14:02:11 | Paprica | try and u understand |
| 14:02:14 | linuxstb | I also think that using rightmargin as a distance from the right side of the screen would make WPSs more portable. |
| 14:02:20 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: No. |
| 14:02:27 | Paprica | no no. |
| 14:02:29 | Bger | B4gder sorry for the silly q, but how could i run this m68k-elf-gcc -S -fverbose-asm on a plugin ? |
| 14:02:49 | B4gder | Bger: first build with 'make V=1' |
| 14:02:53 | LinusN | linuxstb: i'm not so sure about that, since the margins are often set to match a bitmap |
| 14:02:54 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: Image may be used there. |
| 14:03:02 | Paprica | so its work good |
| 14:03:06 | Paprica | what do you want |
| 14:03:18 | B4gder | Bger: then copy the gcc line and remove -c and use -S -fverbose-asm instead, possibly change the -o file name |
| 14:03:31 | B4gder | Bger: remember you need to cd to source code directory |
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| 14:04:14 | B4gder | now where's that coffee? |
| 14:04:28 | Bger | B4gder 10x :) |
| 14:04:40 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300/1967 |
| 14:04:52 | linuxstb | LinusN: I don't feel strongly about whether Rockbox has a width or a margin setting, but I think the name should match the number. |
| 14:05:33 | LinusN | agreed |
| 14:06:06 | * | B4gder bows |
| 14:06:43 | LinusN | hmm, how about this: |
| 14:06:57 | LinusN | lcd_set_viewport(x, y, width, height); |
| 14:07:20 | LinusN | lcd_get_viewport(&x, &y, &width, &height); |
| 14:07:33 | LinusN | any argument can be NULL |
| 14:08:07 | LinusN | would that be good? |
| 14:08:38 | linuxstb | Makes sense to me. |
| 14:08:52 | linuxstb | But what are the semantics - does 0,0 become the top-left of the viewport? |
| 14:08:55 | Jungti1234 | Paprica? |
| 14:09:16 | linuxstb | That's how viewports are normally implemented afaik. |
| 14:10:15 | linuxstb | Or is the intention for it to simply be a clipping area? |
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| 14:14:26 | VagueRant | Hey guys. I'm having a bit of trouble running the original firmware on my brother's H300. |
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| 14:14:54 | VagueRant | I hold record, press play, and it says "loading original firmware" (or whatever the message is) and then switches off. |
| 14:15:17 | VagueRant | I don't know exactly what the "loading ..." message is because it cuts out only instants after it first appears. |
| 14:15:30 | XavierGr | Do you have hold on maybe? |
| 14:15:43 | XavierGr | Do you hold record button long enough? |
| 14:15:44 | LinusN | linuxstb: it will translate all coordinates |
| 14:15:49 | VagueRant | Nope. |
| 14:15:52 | ashridah | VagueRant: make sure you keep holding play as well. |
| 14:16:04 | VagueRant | Ahhhhhh. |
| 14:16:07 | VagueRant | Thanks, ash. |
| 14:16:10 | LinusN | VagueRant: you have to hold ON until the player starts |
| 14:16:17 | Jungti1234 | Be holding for 4 seconds. |
| 14:16:28 | Jungti1234 | 3~4 |
| 14:16:39 | ashridah | the iriver firmware checks to make sure the 'on/play' button is being pressed when it starts, if you're took quick for it, it shuts off |
| 14:17:07 | * | LinusN fills some more black stuff in his cup |
| 14:17:33 | VagueRant | Thanks very much. |
| 14:17:35 | VagueRant | Have a good one. |
| 14:17:38 | Jungti1234 | Paprica~ |
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| 14:19:30 | linuxstb | LinusN: Just to make sure I'm understanding - if I call lcd_set_viewport(40,100,LCD_WIDTH-40,LCD_HEIGHT-100) and then attempt to draw something at (0,0), then it will be drawn at (40,100) ? |
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| 14:21:18 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:21:33 | linuxstb | That makes sense to me then. |
| 14:23:43 | XavierGr | yippie my new H340 irived at the post this morning. I will try to get it at noon! |
| 14:23:51 | LinusN | and it will clip if you draw outside the viewport |
| 14:24:06 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 14:24:32 | linuxstb | What about lcd_cleardisplay() - do we need an lcd_clearviewport() ? |
| 14:24:38 | elinenbe | XavierGr: where did you get it? |
| 14:24:48 | LinusN | linuxstb: hmmm |
| 14:24:58 | LinusN | should be handy |
| 14:25:13 | linuxstb | and lcd_update[_rect]() ? |
| 14:25:29 | XavierGr | elinenbe: advancedmp3player.co.uk |
| 14:25:52 | Bger | XavierGr congrats :) |
| 14:26:32 | LinusN | lcd_update[_rect]() is currently independent of the viewport |
| 14:26:48 | B4gder | I think they should remain so |
| 14:26:58 | B4gder | they are more lowlevel |
| 14:27:00 | linuxstb | Is lcd_update_rect() actually used very much? |
| 14:27:06 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:27:24 | LinusN | lcd_update_viewport() could be a good thing, though |
| 14:27:29 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:27:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I don't think we need to go as far as lcd_update_viewport_rect().. |
| 14:28:11 | LinusN | still, it would be nice to have update functions that matched the viewport coordinates |
| 14:28:26 | LinusN | so you can draw and update with the same coordinates |
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| 14:39:51 | lostlogic | *yawn* monday. |
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| 14:40:27 | fairway | sep |
| 14:40:28 | fairway | yep |
| 14:41:07 | preglow | barghh |
| 14:41:16 | Slasheri | evening :) |
| 14:41:52 | Slasheri | almost 16pm.. home soon :) |
| 14:44:48 | lostlogic | ::shakehead:: oh the timezones |
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| 14:48:30 | freqmod | Hallo, I am interested in trying your rockbox for ipod nano, but I was wondering if/how it is possible to keep my ipodlinux installation (i.e. have a combined bootloader) |
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| 14:51:22 | linuxstb | freqmod: Yes, triple-booting is not a problem. You can either use ipodloader2 from the IPL project, or the Rockbox bootloader. For the rockbox bootloader, copy a kernel image to the root of your FAT32 partition (called linux.bin) and hold down PLAY whilst booting to start it. |
| 14:51:36 | freqmod | thanks |
| 14:55:24 | linuxstb | B4gder: Just read your email - how do they think we can stream voice clips to our users? |
| 14:55:45 | preglow | retardation of the brain stem |
| 14:55:48 | preglow | that's how |
| 14:56:22 | linuxstb | They obviously don't have a license available that we could use, even if we wanted to. |
| 14:56:32 | LinusN | probably not |
| 14:58:01 | LinusN | their salesperson wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, as he finished his email with "I hope this fits your business model and please let me know how you wish to proceed." |
| 14:58:14 | preglow | ajhahahah |
| 14:58:22 | linuxstb | Have you replied yet? |
| 14:58:28 | LinusN | no |
| 14:58:29 | amiconn | They seem to miss the main point |
| 14:58:44 | amiconn | Rockbox is non-commercial |
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| 14:58:59 | LinusN | in fact, i like bluechips idea on the mailing list |
| 14:59:13 | preglow | i missed that |
| 14:59:30 | * | [IDC]Dragon just read about the latest voice twist |
| 14:59:49 | [IDC]Dragon | so they in fact do mind spoken files? |
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| 15:00:19 | LinusN | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-01/0604.shtml |
| 15:00:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I re-read the email solely as anti-piracy, not to distribute the software itself |
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| 15:01:10 | preglow | LinusN: might work |
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| 15:01:22 | [IDC]Dragon | "I see you are distributing AT&T Natural VoicesR TTS software" |
| 15:01:30 | [IDC]Dragon | which never was the case |
| 15:01:34 | B4gder | [IDC]Dragon: Jens replied and got another mail response |
| 15:01:44 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Do you know the response to my reply? |
| 15:02:00 | [IDC]Dragon | no, please bounce it to the list |
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| 15:08:26 | * | [IDC]Dragon waits for the mailing list ;-) |
| 15:12:05 | Bger | which mailing list / |
| 15:13:00 | [IDC]Dragon | the dev or cvs list, if Jens sends it there |
| 15:13:33 | amiconn | Can't do this atm |
| 15:13:39 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 15:13:45 | amiconn | No access to my email prg |
| 15:13:53 | B4gder | want me to do it? |
| 15:17:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens? |
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| 15:20:33 | tucoz | Just happened to read about the voice-issue. What is the problem with festival & co? |
| 15:20:39 | tucoz | except quality |
| 15:21:20 | tucoz | I found two links that should be interesting. http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola.html and http://cslu.cse.ogi.edu/tts/download/ |
| 15:21:29 | amiconn | festival is pretty much english-only |
| 15:21:52 | LinusN | and sounds like sh*t |
| 15:22:04 | tucoz | mbrella sounds quite ok |
| 15:22:10 | tucoz | mbrola |
| 15:23:23 | tucoz | A bit of stuttering, but not too shabby. There are audio examples in the first link |
| 15:23:40 | tucoz | At least there are no licence issues with using that |
| 15:23:57 | tucoz | (i think) |
| 15:25:06 | amiconn | Mbrola is multi-language, but is just a voice synthesizer. |
| 15:25:28 | amiconn | You need a tts processor in order to use it |
| 15:26:11 | tucoz | aha, :( |
| 15:26:33 | tucoz | The other link then. that is a tts processor right? |
| 15:27:10 | tucoz | the demo-files sound ok. We could have a singing voice interface with that :) |
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| 15:29:03 | [IDC]Dragon | We could do a plugin for voice file recording ;-) |
| 15:29:07 | tucoz | amiconn: do you know if EULER is any good? |
| 15:29:27 | amiconn | EULER doesn't provide german |
| 15:29:35 | amiconn | It does english and french |
| 15:29:36 | [IDC]Dragon | with the triggered recording, prompting you to read the clips |
| 15:30:13 | tucoz | Ok. However, there are loads of links to TTS's in the MBROLA page. Some may be interesting. |
| 15:31:19 | amiconn | Yes, I looked at some of them |
| 15:31:39 | amiconn | German is avaliable, one thing is that the scripting has to be re-done |
| 15:33:12 | tucoz | Yes, that is true. Hopefully the AT&T issue will be resolved. |
| 15:33:32 | * | [IDC]Dragon just read that drone response |
| 15:34:20 | [IDC]Dragon | those bots didn't read far enough to understand it's not about "our website" or "our business model" |
| 15:34:56 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens, perhaps you wrote too much |
| 15:35:53 | [IDC]Dragon | one thing I learned about lawyers: only respond to the matter of question |
| 15:36:19 | tucoz | €600 for 30 minutes of speech? That is insane. No wonders actors get hired to do the same |
| 15:36:25 | [IDC]Dragon | in this case: no, we're not distributing your software, never have and never will |
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| 15:45:47 | B4gder | but they speak of "wav files" |
| 15:45:52 | B4gder | or rather he does |
| 15:46:52 | tucoz | Maybe he is thinking of wav files as potential programs, as tomal uses wmv files for tweaking the ifp-firmware |
| 15:48:48 | preglow | hahaha |
| 15:49:06 | preglow | they might be programs in some absurd cpu someone is going to invent in five years! |
| 15:49:09 | preglow | and then we are in grand trouble |
| 15:49:56 | tucoz | Do you think some other open source project distributes natural voices as well? Could be worth investigating that. |
| 15:50:36 | tucoz | or not natural voices, but sound files generated by natural voices :) |
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| 15:55:20 | tucoz | hehe, this should be used in rockbox. http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/Misc__Sound_Tools/Virtual_Hypnotist.html |
| 15:56:23 | muesli- | hypnotisting ourselves? |
| 15:57:48 | tucoz | The subliminal messages was what caught my attention. Imagine the uses of that. |
| 15:58:04 | B4gder | you.... must.... contribute.... |
| 15:58:44 | tucoz | Send an rockboxed ipod to the AT&T lawyer prepared with subliminal messages |
| 15:59:31 | B4gder | (just that he's not a lawyer, and he's not from AT&T) |
| 15:59:37 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 16:00:14 | tucoz | hehe |
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| 16:01:42 | lostlogic | You know... this issue makes me think of the situation where you buy a car, but you aren't allowed to give other people rides in it without a commercial distribution license... If we were selling the file, it would apply (you can't run a taxi without a license), but we aren't. |
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| 16:02:36 | B4gder | like writing a Word document but not being allowed to distribute the document |
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| 16:04:10 | preglow | someone needs to compare this to hitler and the nazis |
| 16:04:15 | preglow | and we might have a case for the press |
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| 16:05:41 | * | B4gder didn't get his bootloader to work... when it struck me... |
| 16:05:57 | B4gder | I did the copy command with reversed arguments, source vs target ;-) |
| 16:06:45 | B4gder | (work stuff) |
| 16:07:37 | preglow | haha |
| 16:08:00 | * | B4gder master's his u-boot ;-) |
| 16:08:05 | t0mas_ | omg... |
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| 16:08:18 | preglow | whoever is responsible for the weather up here seriously needs to be shot |
| 16:08:20 | t0mas | B4gder... really? |
| 16:08:41 | B4gder | copied ff's over the source area ;-) |
| 16:08:59 | t0mas | monday morning? ;) |
| 16:09:14 | B4gder | yes, let's say so ;-) |
| 16:09:38 | t0mas | it's acceptable if you do it in asm... mixing intel and at&t |
| 16:09:43 | t0mas | but a normal console copy command... |
| 16:09:58 | B4gder | well, it was u-boots copy memory area command |
| 16:10:25 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 16:11:37 | t0mas | OMG |
| 16:11:38 | t0mas | mt/archieven/011851.html">http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/011851.html |
| 16:11:40 | t0mas | luister dat... |
| 16:11:50 | t0mas | damn... limburgers zijn dom... maar dit slaat alles |
| 16:12:25 | preglow | yes, yes |
| 16:12:33 | B4gder | ik ben moe |
| 16:13:24 | t0mas | lol |
| 16:13:30 | t0mas | sorry... wrong channel :P |
| 16:13:43 | muesli- | alles nix oder!? |
| 16:14:05 | t0mas | it's about a dutch (south) major... who is rapping about the drugs in his town |
| 16:14:24 | preglow | a rapping major? :P |
| 16:14:31 | t0mas | yeah... |
| 16:14:33 | muesli- | or raping major? |
| 16:14:34 | t0mas | totally weird |
| 16:14:43 | t0mas | http://www.l1.nl/nieuwsfiles/MW6O0T57054STSO52HV0/audio/Een%20rappende%20Gerd%20Leers%20samen%20met%20de%20Heideroosjes.WMA |
| 16:14:52 | t0mas | it's a radio report about it |
| 16:15:08 | t0mas | it starts with a short part of the song |
| 16:15:48 | preglow | i'm happy to report i can't play wma in linux |
| 16:15:57 | t0mas | mplayer works fine here |
| 16:16:00 | preglow | no mplayer |
| 16:16:04 | t0mas | ah |
| 16:16:31 | t0mas | but there is a general "public joke" that the people from the south of the Netherlands... (and people from Belgium) are stupid |
| 16:16:54 | t0mas | and this guy is from the biggest city in the south... |
| 16:17:00 | preglow | hahah |
| 16:20:07 | * | B4gder now has a usb memory stick with a huge led that flashes when you write data to it... |
| 16:21:20 | preglow | ehh |
| 16:21:24 | preglow | the latest patch |
| 16:21:27 | preglow | i don't see the point... |
| 16:21:38 | B4gder | easier patching on linux I guess? |
| 16:21:48 | preglow | don't we already have linux tools? |
| 16:21:51 | muesli- | who owns a h320 and built in a stronger (2200) battery? |
| 16:21:57 | preglow | make a shellscript for those = better solution |
| 16:21:57 | B4gder | preglow: yes, but not as a single command |
| 16:22:02 | B4gder | preglow: I agree |
| 16:22:13 | B4gder | much better |
| 16:22:25 | lostlogic | muesli-: H340 with 2200 battery here |
| 16:22:27 | preglow | you need to check out of cvs anyway |
| 16:22:34 | lostlogic | preglow: tested my codec timer yet? |
| 16:22:50 | muesli- | lostlogic sorry, need a h320 victim ;) |
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| 16:22:51 | preglow | no, i'm doing """real""" work |
| 16:23:44 | lostlogic | preglow: sigh, me too... supposed to do that 1500-2300(GMT) every weekday... |
| 16:24:16 | preglow | i've gotta keep going for another couple of hours |
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| 16:40:39 | Jungti1234 | http://ruliweb3.dreamwiz.com/ruliboard/read.htm?main=xbox&table=img_open&page=1&num=44599&find=&ftext=&left=h&time= |
| 16:40:43 | Jungti1234 | crazy.... |
| 16:41:47 | Jungti1234 | He charged 3 million wons into handsel. |
| 16:42:41 | elinenbe | Jungti1234: how much is that in $? |
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| 16:42:51 | elinenbe | Also, what is handsel? |
| 16:42:57 | elinenbe | ;-) |
| 16:43:30 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 16:43:42 | Jungti1234 | the New Year¢¥s gift of money given to one¢¥s juniors |
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| 16:45:11 | Jungti1234 | \30,000,000 = $ 3090 |
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| 17:27:39 | Domonoky | new patch for brickmania on h1x0... now everything works http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/ |
| 17:28:07 | Domonoky | there is also a .rock for h1x0.. if anyone likes to test :-) |
| 17:28:49 | Domonoky | comments to it are welcome.. :-) |
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| 17:56:16 | webguest52 | ... so i'm going to be a pain in the arse and ask if anyone knows when 5g audio will work? I'm about to press the 'buy now' button of doom... |
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| 18:01:17 | Moos | webguest52: read the topic ;) |
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| 18:01:37 | Moos | "we DO NOT estimate release dates" |
| 18:02:25 | Moos | you can buy one and be patient, or buy one device supported Rockbox yet |
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| 18:11:08 | webguest56 | anybody here have an H140 w/ rockbox? |
| 18:11:49 | Domonoky | <- h120 |
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| 18:13:23 | * | Domonoky added the patch for brickmania on h1x0 to the patchtracker.. |
| 18:14:30 | webguest56 | i can hear my hard disc spin in my headphones. is this normal? |
| 18:16:22 | Domonoky | i hear it too.. but its very faint.. so with musik playing, i dont hear it.. |
| 18:17:10 | lostlogic | fairly normal yes. hard to get perfect isolation in such small devices |
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| 18:17:52 | webguest56 | i can hear it when music is playing in my sennheiser 280pros |
| 18:17:57 | needleboy | evening folks |
| 18:18:45 | crwl | i don't think i have noticed with my sennheiser px100's and h120 |
| 18:18:47 | needleboy | has anyone had problems with JdGordon's timetable plugin? it crashes H300s when saving and exiting... |
| 18:18:50 | webguest56 | the hd bass hum is quiet, but still audible |
| 18:19:57 | webguest56 | i listen in a very quiet environ |
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| 18:20:02 | lostlogic | what volume level? |
| 18:20:48 | webguest56 | any volume level, quiet (-40) to moderate levels (-20/-15) |
| 18:21:16 | needleboy | are you saying the HD can be heard while playing? |
| 18:21:33 | lostlogic | hmm, I'm on H340 here, and I don't hear it no matter the volume level... just the background static all the time... |
| 18:21:50 | needleboy | yup, same here... |
| 18:21:54 | lostlogic | hehe those must be some pretty high impedence phones... I listen at work between -70 and -50 |
| 18:22:24 | lostlogic | for that matter, I can listen all the way down to -83 and still hear the vocals at least |
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| 18:23:22 | needleboy | -83??? mine's at -8 at the lowest... |
| 18:23:51 | needleboy | though i'm on the road with MDR-EX71SL |
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| 18:24:41 | lostlogic | quiet office Shure E3, and -83 I can hear the louder parts of the music, but not the details... general listening between -65 and -55 default replaygain with a +5dB preamp |
| 18:25:01 | needleboy | oh, preamp means a lot... |
| 18:25:08 | needleboy | does it work well? no clipping? |
| 18:25:17 | needleboy | never even tried it... |
| 18:25:35 | webguest56 | lostlogic, yeah, I think the HD280s are pretty high impedence |
| 18:25:56 | lostlogic | yeah, works perfectly −− when I'm using my home stereo, default replaygain +5dB preamp setting and 0dB with the line output gives me exactly the range I want from with no clipping |
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| 18:26:24 | needleboy | what kind of music are you into? |
| 18:26:25 | lostlogic | webguest56: I guess the H1x0 series has not as good isolation as the H3x0 since we can't hear it... |
| 18:26:40 | webguest56 | needleboy: I can most of the time hear when the low bass kicks in whenever the disc spins. Only when there is quite loud music does it mask the hd noise |
| 18:26:52 | needleboy | cause i have lots of bass heavy stuff... don't want any distortion on that... |
| 18:27:07 | lostlogic | needleboy: most anything −− I have a bunch of stream rips from di.fm vocal trance, and then random mostly rock/alternative/punk/emo |
| 18:27:19 | webguest56 | if its bass heavy it would probably be much harder to hear the hd noise, i would think |
| 18:27:34 | needleboy | webguest56: i do believe this is only on the H100s... |
| 18:27:53 | needleboy | never heard a complaint about this on an H300... except with the irver firmware naturally... |
| 18:28:07 | lostlogic | needleboy: keeping in mind that the replaygain default drops most albums by between 5 and 10dB so +5dB brings them back to "default" rip level |
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| 18:28:30 | needleboy | lostlogic: nothing is lost by all this mucking around? |
| 18:28:55 | needleboy | say i'm listening to pink floyd, lots of background stuff... will it all still be audible? |
| 18:29:09 | lostlogic | needleboy: nope, the sound signal is unchanged by replaygain, it's not like an eq |
| 18:29:15 | webguest56 | i was actually thinking of switching to an ipod if the rockbox port gets more developed on it. the ipod has a nice wolfson dac IIRC. I wouldn't think other portables would have harddisc noise problems.... |
| 18:29:33 | webguest56 | replaygain is just like another volume level based on a tracks overall loudness |
| 18:29:36 | lostlogic | webguest56: the DAC isn't what causes that noise, it's bad isolation on the ground int he device |
| 18:29:52 | webguest56 | oh |
| 18:29:55 | needleboy | exactly... |
| 18:30:05 | needleboy | the h100 is inferior parts-wise |
| 18:30:10 | webguest56 | is there a way to manually open up the h140 and fix tis? |
| 18:30:39 | lostlogic | webguest56: you could probably run a ground wire directly from the headphone output area down to the power supply ground connection or something, but I wouldn't swear to it. |
| 18:30:42 | needleboy | i wouldn't suggest it, unless you're an electronics pro... |
| 18:30:44 | * | [IDC]Dragon waves goodby |
| 18:30:47 | lostlogic | what he said |
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| 18:30:56 | webguest56 | that i am not |
| 18:31:04 | needleboy | go to one ;) |
| 18:31:33 | needleboy | find someone else with an h140, take your headphones to him and see if it happens... |
| 18:31:35 | lostlogic | I'm curious to seem some RMAA comparisons between iPod 5G and iRiver H3x0 and iAudio X5 |
| 18:31:41 | needleboy | it might only be your unit |
| 18:31:49 | webguest56 | lostlogic: ditto |
| 18:31:55 | needleboy | RMA? |
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| 18:32:18 | webguest56 | needleboy: reading the rockbox forums, there are a few others who have had problems with this |
| 18:32:21 | lostlogic | not sure what the acronym is but it's comparing the sound output objectively |
| 18:32:37 | needleboy | oh, thought you were talking about a recall... |
| 18:32:45 | needleboy | i think it's been done actually |
| 18:32:51 | needleboy | let me see if i can dig it up |
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| 18:33:58 | needleboy | there's some here: http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Performance/compared.html |
| 18:34:10 | needleboy | though it's an iHP100 |
| 18:34:28 | lostlogic | hmm, turns out I was kinda wrong about replaygain, it is applied in dsp.c it looks like |
| 18:35:24 | needleboy | i don't have the knowledge to test if the replaygain changes the sound, but i'll probably hear it |
| 18:35:34 | needleboy | i'll try it out tomorrow |
| 18:35:47 | needleboy | say, i was wondering... |
| 18:36:03 | needleboy | has anyone thought about porting WinAmp DSPs to ROCKbox? |
| 18:36:16 | webguest56 | i would not suggest it |
| 18:36:29 | webguest56 | i know that winamps eqs have been low quality in the past |
| 18:36:58 | needleboy | there's one called Equalizer 2 |
| 18:37:14 | needleboy | i had a very good experience with it... |
| 18:37:24 | needleboy | though my JPW speakers blow... |
| 18:37:54 | needleboy | gotta get me a set of Tannoys... |
| 18:37:55 | needleboy | :) |
| 18:38:14 | webguest56 | nice |
| 18:38:16 | lostlogic | the dsp just multiplies each sample by the gain, so as long as it doesn't clip, the sound is unaffected. |
| 18:38:49 | webguest56 | did rockbox re-implement prevent clipping? i know they removed it not too far back |
| 18:38:55 | lostlogic | Must always remember Obi Wan's admonition: Luke... Use the source! |
| 18:39:04 | needleboy | problem is you never really know if it does clip... |
| 18:39:14 | lostlogic | webguest56: no, the new volume setting is supposed to make it unnecessary |
| 18:39:28 | lostlogic | needleboy: you know if it clips because you hear it... |
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| 18:39:46 | needleboy | true... |
| 18:39:47 | Moos | webguest56: there is still the prevent clipping ReplayGain option with your files are taged |
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| 18:41:14 | Moos | lostlogic: any news about your playback reworks? |
| 18:41:48 | lostlogic | Moos: nothing new −− I have to find time to analyze track skipping behavior, because there are a number of bugs in it... I think with both manual and automatic skips |
| 18:42:00 | lostlogic | automatic skips sound fine, but I don't think they update resume info right |
| 18:42:14 | Moos | ok |
| 18:42:37 | lostlogic | Moos: why? want to help? :) |
| 18:42:51 | Moos | hehe I can't :) |
| 18:43:06 | PaulJ | webguest56: there is a thread at MR about heaaring HD-noise on a H3x0, but only after he damaged the player. http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34994 |
| 18:43:28 | Moos | lostlogic: when I'll have my H140 again, I'll help with testing if needed |
| 18:45:05 | lostlogic | Moos: why can't you? I didn't know anything about audio playback before I started futzing with rockbox... :-P |
| 18:45:19 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 18:45:55 | Moos | lostlogic: you know you're the only one had courage to try to understand the Slasheri's baby :) |
| 18:46:03 | needleboy | do you have to restart the player for replaygain to kick in? |
| 18:46:23 | webguest56 | needleboy: no |
| 18:46:25 | lostlogic | needleboy: don't think so... your tracks were already tagged? |
| 18:46:37 | needleboy | grrr... that's the problem :) |
| 18:46:43 | webguest56 | i believe all you have to do is stop playback and restart the file |
| 18:46:43 | needleboy | i knew i was missing something... |
| 18:46:54 | webguest56 | that is, assuming they had replaygain tags ;) |
| 18:47:03 | needleboy | Monkey Audio can tag right? |
| 18:47:27 | lostlogic | I haven't figured out how to tag MP3s... I use vorbisgain to tag all of my oggs |
| 18:47:44 | Moos | foobar 2000 |
| 18:48:09 | needleboy | foobar tags?? |
| 18:48:11 | needleboy | cool |
| 18:48:12 | lostlogic | Moos: know a tagger for linux? mp3gain for linux seemed to actually premodify the samples instead. |
| 18:48:29 | Moos | ouch :( |
| 18:48:47 | needleboy | you know the pre-amp works without tags :) |
| 18:49:01 | lostlogic | needleboy: really? I thought not, cool. |
| 18:49:01 | webguest56 | PaulJ: I read that thread, but the harddisk spin noise is not "loud" and doesnt create noise, per-se, but deep, quiet bass |
| 18:49:20 | * | Moos is wondering why the APE tag for MP3 patch didn't commited yet ??? |
| 18:49:24 | needleboy | that's quite nice... i have some low-volume albums that i don't want to gain for good... |
| 18:50:01 | Moos | needleboy: pre-amp work without RG tags? |
| 18:50:08 | needleboy | seems like it... |
| 18:50:19 | needleboy | i set it to +10 and everything's damn louder... |
| 18:50:20 | Moos | O.O didn't know this too |
| 18:50:38 | needleboy | i listened to the same song i heard on the way home at -5, and it's really loud at -10 now... |
| 18:50:46 | preglow | Moos: is it really that common? |
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| 18:51:07 | Moos | preglow: APE tag you mean? |
| 18:51:10 | preglow | on mp3 files |
| 18:51:31 | Moos | there are people using it, personnaly I don't care |
| 18:51:41 | preglow | well |
| 18:51:42 | NicoFR | i use it... |
| 18:51:45 | preglow | ask the other devs what they think of it |
| 18:51:49 | NicoFR | seems to work just fine |
| 18:51:51 | preglow | i'll commit it if no one is seriously against it |
| 18:52:10 | Moos | preglow: did you read the David Bryant post? |
| 18:52:35 | needleboy | could preamp seriously lower the battery life? |
| 18:52:38 | preglow | Moos: where? |
| 18:52:44 | needleboy | cause mine just dropped an hour on the meter... |
| 18:52:46 | Moos | preglow: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2497.0 |
| 18:53:21 | preglow | Moos: yes, what about it? |
| 18:53:38 | preglow | Moos: it's more a question about how to handle it |
| 18:53:38 | lostlogic | needleboy: it probably does −− involves another DSP process on each sample |
| 18:53:44 | preglow | Moos: what should we do if we find both id3v1 and ape? |
| 18:53:58 | Moos | preglow: aha good question |
| 18:54:06 | preglow | Moos: should we even search for ape if we find id3v1, or vice versa? |
| 18:54:37 | Moos | we have to choose "prioritary" tag maybe |
| 18:54:58 | preglow | we already have id3v1/id3v2 tag priority |
| 18:55:08 | preglow | which i think is a stupid option |
| 18:55:14 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 18:55:18 | preglow | if there is an id3v2 tag, that should be the best one |
| 18:55:22 | preglow | brb |
| 18:55:28 | Moos | indeed |
| 18:55:47 | lostlogic | 2ape1? |
| 18:56:23 | lostlogic | needleboy: I'm doing the simple boost ratio test w/o and w/ gain applied to see if it has an impact here |
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| 18:56:56 | needleboy | ok |
| 18:57:01 | needleboy | waiting impatiently... |
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| 18:57:23 | lostlogic | so far it doesn't look like it has a significant impact |
| 18:57:25 | needleboy | the hiss is seriously messing with my head though... |
| 18:57:28 | Moos | If I remenber correct Lear said there isn't significatively battery usage difference |
| 18:57:50 | Moos | lostlogic: I think so |
| 18:57:53 | lostlogic | perhaps we need to adjust the current drain estimations to respect that. |
| 18:58:16 | needleboy | how accurate are they on the H300s BTW? |
| 18:59:17 | lostlogic | needleboy: seems about right to me... maybe a little bit generous on the battery life. |
| 18:59:38 | lostlogic | 46% w/o gain, testing w/ gain now |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:14 | needleboy | 46% what? |
| 19:00:28 | Moos | lostlogic: 46 % O.O, what kind of files? |
| 19:00:35 | lostlogic | ogg q7 |
| 19:00:38 | lostlogic | vorbis |
| 19:01:16 | Moos | it seems H3xx and H1xx have still differences :) |
| 19:01:50 | lostlogic | yeah, H1 is much faster... we think it's in the framebuffer routines, mostly because we aren't sure where else to look |
| 19:02:11 | Moos | oh ok |
| 19:02:23 | lostlogic | 47% w/gain |
| 19:02:29 | Moos | is there already someone working on it? |
| 19:02:37 | needleboy | nice... |
| 19:03:03 | lostlogic | I believe amiconn was working on some improvements to the framebuffer code with memset16 or some such |
| 19:03:24 | Moos | hehe, true is his territory :-) |
| 19:03:30 | needleboy | gotta go... |
| 19:03:35 | needleboy | talk later |
| 19:03:37 | lostlogic | lunch, later. |
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| 19:03:56 | Moos | bueno apetito ;) |
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| 19:05:35 | prh | anyone got a patched H340 firmware handy? (I can't get the patcher to work under wine :O( |
| 19:13:16 | Paprica | Domonoky, the pictures in brickmania, work fine in the player(h100)? |
| 19:13:30 | Paprica | because in the simulator they not. |
| 19:14:05 | Domonoky | my new pictures should work.. i will test again :-) |
| 19:14:23 | Paprica | ok |
| 19:14:40 | Moos | Paprica: planed to commit it? :) |
| 19:14:56 | Paprica | yep |
| 19:15:04 | Moos | goodie |
| 19:15:05 | Paprica | i need to look in the good also |
| 19:15:13 | Paprica | coode |
| 19:15:15 | Paprica | LOLLLLLLL |
| 19:15:20 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 19:15:25 | Paprica | i think about somthing ekse |
| 19:15:31 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 19:15:42 | Paprica | hahaha |
| 19:16:01 | Domonoky | it works in the sim.. i will look, if i uploaded the wrong bmps.. |
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| 19:18:13 | Paprica | http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7941/dump00015ov.png |
| 19:18:30 | Slasheri | hmm, now 3s from play to dir browser with iriver flash boot :) |
| 19:18:36 | Slasheri | ups, 4s |
| 19:18:40 | Domonoky | ui.. that looks bad :-) |
| 19:18:49 | Paprica | yeah |
| 19:19:02 | Moos | Slasheri: hi, what did you do again? :) |
| 19:19:08 | Domonoky | which sim have you tried ? |
| 19:19:19 | Slasheri | Moos: just testing, nothing much |
| 19:19:19 | Paprica | h100.. |
| 19:19:44 | Paprica | http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/752/dump00037gv.png |
| 19:19:46 | Domonoky | hm.. how to make screenshots in the sim ? |
| 19:19:48 | Paprica | another image |
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| 19:19:58 | Paprica | click 0 |
| 19:20:02 | Paprica | in the right |
| 19:20:04 | Paprica | =\ |
| 19:20:14 | Paprica | brb |
| 19:20:19 | Domonoky | it seems you have old pic.. i will reupload.. |
| 19:22:05 | Slasheri | hmm, i think i will just simplify that flash boot design so it doesn't need entirely different boot loader.. instead next version of iriver boot loader could integrate that feature |
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| 19:22:28 | Slasheri | then it would be much safer and easier to revert back to iriver fw also |
| 19:22:40 | Domonoky | it should look like this: http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/dump_0002.bmp |
| 19:22:48 | preglow | Slasheri: btw, do you think that ipods might also build the tag cache faster if they load the wpses faster? |
| 19:22:52 | Domonoky | http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/dump_0003.bmp |
| 19:23:21 | Slasheri | preglow: absolutely |
| 19:23:32 | Domonoky | new bmps: http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/brickmaniabmps.zip hope this was it :-) |
| 19:23:34 | preglow | hooray! |
| 19:23:47 | Slasheri | preglow: do you mean that even hard disk based ipods are loading wpses faster than iriver? |
| 19:25:29 | Slasheri | i just mean that flash ipods don't benefit from the dircache as they have nothing to spin and wait |
| 19:25:49 | preglow | Slasheri: yes, hd based ipods load far faster than iriver |
| 19:25:49 | Slasheri | and they don't have a seek time |
| 19:25:55 | Slasheri | ah, that's interesting |
| 19:26:35 | preglow | Slasheri: well, we'll see, dir cache still doesn't work on my nano, so i can't test to see if the overhead of the ata layer adds some latency |
| 19:26:47 | Domonoky | @ paprica: if the new bmps doesnt help, theres also a brickmania.c file, could be that i created the patch wrong..:-) |
| 19:27:24 | Domonoky | also, any comments to my code modifications are welcome.. |
| 19:27:25 | Slasheri | preglow: ah.. i try to patch dircache soon when i have some time.. maybe i just add a global #define STRICT_ALIGN or something like that |
| 19:27:40 | Slasheri | because we don't want to use that on iriver.. (more size) |
| 19:27:49 | preglow | Slasheri: sure |
| 19:28:06 | BHSPitLappy | who was the person getting the 3G to work? |
| 19:29:51 | preglow | slimx |
| 19:30:21 | BHSPitLappy | ah |
| 19:31:07 | BHSPitLappy | has he reported anything about that recently? |
| 19:32:05 | preglow | he mentioned he'd gotten the lcd working |
| 19:36:40 | linuxstb_ | But he basically has to write a complete new set of high-level lcd drawing functions (for horizontally packed 2bpp greyscale - a new format in Rockbox) - so it's not a trivial job. |
| 19:37:05 | linuxstb_ | But once he does that, all the greyscale ipod LCDs will be trivial to support. |
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| 19:46:11 | lamed | hi all |
| 19:46:18 | _FireFly_ | hi :) |
| 19:46:49 | lamed | amiconn? |
| 19:47:59 | lamed | how do i retrive an older version out of the cvs server for a certin file? |
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| 19:49:32 | LinusN | cvs co -r<revision> <file> |
| 19:50:41 | lamed | thanks, linus. is there a simpler way i could scroll back one commit for a few files? |
| 19:51:56 | Paprica | lamed, what do you commit? |
| 19:52:17 | Paprica | =] |
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| 19:52:47 | LinusN | lamed: you can do a cvs diff between two versions, or dates if you prefer |
| 19:53:09 | linuxstb_ | lamed: You could also just use the web cvs interface. |
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| 19:53:11 | LinusN | then the output from the diff can be used as a patch file, which you apply with the -R flag |
| 19:54:41 | lamed | paprica: I'm con the last crossfader disabled when manual shift change |
| 19:55:42 | lamed | linusn: how does that helps me with anything? (I mean, what's the purpose of doing so?) |
| 19:56:03 | LinusN | lamed: example: cvs diff -u -D2006-01-10 -D 2006-01-11 | patch -p0 -R |
| 19:56:27 | LinusN | that reverts the changes done between 2006-01-10 and 2006-01-11 |
| 19:56:37 | LinusN | if you're lucky and don't get conflicts |
| 19:58:11 | lamed | hmm... can I define an accurate hour as well? |
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| 19:58:45 | bluey | whats the opposite of eject? |
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| 19:59:07 | lamed | inject |
| 19:59:09 | lamed | ... |
| 19:59:23 | bluey | linux cmd |
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| 20:00:20 | lamed | linusn? |
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| 20:00:42 | linuxstb_ | bluey: What kind of device are you ejecting? |
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| 20:01:07 | LinusN | lamed: yes, just use -D"2006-01-10 20:05" for example |
| 20:01:14 | bluey | got an new ipod and ejected but i want to connect it again without repulling the wire :S |
| 20:01:17 | lamed | TT |
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| 20:03:55 | linuxstb_ | bluey: No idea.... |
| 20:04:07 | lamed | paprica:I C U've got some privileges.... |
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| 20:04:28 | Paprica | mm in the cvs? |
| 20:05:52 | lamed | yeah |
| 20:06:01 | lamed | linusn: |
| 20:06:02 | lamed | ~/rockbox-devel/apps>cvs co -r1.24 pcmbuf.c |
| 20:06:05 | lamed | cvs server: cannot find module `pcmbuf.c' - ignored |
| 20:06:08 | lamed | cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules |
| 20:07:53 | lamed | hmmm... ~/rockbox-devel/apps>cvs update -r1.24 pcmbuf.c |
| 20:07:54 | lamed | nm |
| 20:10:01 | LinusN | ah, silly me |
| 20:14:18 | lamed | I'm actually the one to say something like that :) |
| 20:15:50 | preglow | flac is realtime at 25mhz on ipod |
| 20:16:02 | * | aegray wets his pants |
| 20:16:07 | lamed | mazal-tov |
| 20:16:08 | aegray | wanna optimize our codecs? |
| 20:16:17 | aegray | what compression level? |
| 20:16:33 | preglow | aegray: hmm, don't know |
| 20:16:37 | preglow | i'll test a file i know is -8 |
| 20:17:05 | preglow | ahahha |
| 20:17:08 | preglow | -8 is realtime as well |
| 20:17:23 | aegray | damn |
| 20:17:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Have you been playing with CPU frequency? |
| 20:17:30 | * | aegray bows down |
| 20:17:36 | preglow | linuxstb_: yes |
| 20:17:46 | preglow | i just decided to let it be at whatever it's at |
| 20:17:49 | preglow | which is suspect is 25 mhz |
| 20:17:54 | linuxstb_ | aegray: We don't use libFLAC - that's the main difference. We're using the very compact and very fast FLAC decoder from the ffmpeg project. |
| 20:18:05 | preglow | and this has _no_ opts |
| 20:18:24 | linuxstb_ | Including buffers, the whole thing runs in about 40KB - so we put everything in IRAM. |
| 20:18:25 | aegray | yea i know |
| 20:18:34 | aegray | nice work :) |
| 20:18:37 | preglow | i get some skips while buffering |
| 20:18:38 | preglow | that's that |
| 20:18:43 | preglow | when it's playing steady, it works |
| 20:18:55 | aegray | how fast do you have mp3 going? |
| 20:19:23 | Paprica | this is nice.. |
| 20:19:23 | Paprica | http://misticriver.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3609&d=1138636768 |
| 20:19:28 | linuxstb_ | preglow: So is the ipod happy when you change the cpu frequency on the fly? Or are you just initialising it to different frequencies? |
| 20:19:28 | preglow | i think i'm gonna test out lostlogics codec test patch and see if i can't optimise libflac a bit |
| 20:19:40 | preglow | linuxstb_: just init, i'm going to try switching now |
| 20:19:50 | linuxstb_ | Is there anything you can easily do with Tremor? |
| 20:19:55 | * | aegray steals source |
| 20:19:57 | aegray | :O |
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| 20:20:05 | preglow | with tremor, no, not much |
| 20:20:07 | preglow | not easily |
| 20:20:11 | linuxstb_ | Does it already have ARM opts? |
| 20:20:14 | preglow | yes |
| 20:20:15 | Lear | Yes, most easy stuff for Tremor has been done, afaik... |
| 20:20:18 | preglow | though not all |
| 20:20:25 | preglow | not all we've got on coldfire |
| 20:20:26 | aegray | have you done much with mp3? |
| 20:20:28 | linuxstb_ | ALAC needs a boost..... |
| 20:20:34 | preglow | aegray: yeah, for coldfire i've done a fair bit |
| 20:20:35 | Lear | But maybe not for arm then, true. :) |
| 20:20:38 | linuxstb_ | aegray: libmad is working well. |
| 20:20:48 | aegray | what clock rate/what bitrates? |
| 20:20:53 | * | aegray interested |
| 20:20:55 | linuxstb_ | I _think_ it can play any mp3 we throw at it. Others will correct me. |
| 20:20:58 | preglow | aegray: have you got any info on the cpu clocking regs at all? |
| 20:21:04 | aegray | yea :) |
| 20:21:07 | aegray | which gen ipod |
| 20:21:11 | preglow | nano, 4g |
| 20:21:14 | aegray | jas |
| 20:21:26 | aegray | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3590 |
| 20:21:26 | BHSPitLappy | and it's not stealing, it's utilizing :D |
| 20:22:27 | lamed | anyone here is using an ondio? |
| 20:22:43 | * | aegray shudders at what preglow had to do to strip flac out of avcodec |
| 20:23:38 | preglow | linuxstb did that |
| 20:23:43 | preglow | and yes, he's quite insane |
| 20:23:43 | aegray | nice work to him |
| 20:23:51 | linuxstb_ | aegray: I'm just playing a 320kbps MP3 now - no problems. |
| 20:23:55 | aegray | i'm trying with mpeg and its making me angry |
| 20:24:03 | aegray | linuxstb_: at 75mhz or 25? |
| 20:24:07 | preglow | 75, hehe |
| 20:24:07 | linuxstb_ | 75mhz |
| 20:25:11 | linuxstb_ | aegray: It helped a lot that I was very familiar with the flac file format when I extracted the flac decoder. |
| 20:25:26 | linuxstb_ | And the FLAC website has excellent docs on the format. |
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| 20:25:46 | aegray | i'm contemplating just leaving libavcodec as a whole and throwing certain stuff in iram |
| 20:25:58 | aegray | but thats like 3megs if I build everything... |
| 20:26:08 | Lear | Hm... Have I found a BMP loader bug or not... :) |
| 20:26:35 | linuxstb_ | Which codec(s) are you looking at? |
| 20:26:40 | aegray | mpeg4 |
| 20:27:16 | preglow | sound like asking for bloat |
| 20:27:21 | aegray | yea i know |
| 20:27:23 | preglow | if you want to use different codecs, it's going to be impossible |
| 20:27:36 | aegray | ? |
| 20:27:37 | preglow | since they'll have to share the iram. good luck getting the linker to understand that |
| 20:27:46 | aegray | we copy at runtime |
| 20:27:53 | aegray | so not that bad |
| 20:27:59 | linuxstb_ | With FLAC, I just started with the single "flac.c" file, and then kept adding other files and functions as and when gcc complained. Eventually I managed to strip it down to the bare minimum. |
| 20:28:34 | aegray | k |
| 20:29:40 | linuxstb_ | I guess you'll be needing libavformat as well, to take care of the demultiplexing and a/v sync. Or are you planning on doing that yourself? |
| 20:30:08 | aegray | i was thinking of doing that myself |
| 20:30:21 | kkurbjun | hmm, is anyone here pretty familiar with fixed point math.. I'm stuck with doom, I have it running(sometimes) on the H300, but all the walls are messed up, the textures are fine, but you can see through some walls and they're not in the right places |
| 20:30:43 | kkurbjun | I'm guessing it's a math problem that is |
| 20:31:37 | Paprica | auch |
| 20:31:45 | Paprica | your good |
| 20:31:48 | Paprica | e |
| 20:32:47 | preglow | kkurbjun: yeah, i'm familiar with it |
| 20:33:00 | preglow | but i'm not exactly up to reading the entire source |
| 20:33:49 | kkurbjun | yeah, I know, it's a big program too.. they have special functions implemented for the fixed point stuff though |
| 20:33:57 | Paprica | mm can you give us the current rock? |
| 20:34:04 | preglow | sure, but if it doesn't work anymore you must have changed something, right? |
| 20:34:24 | kkurbjun | for example, fixed_t FixedMul( fixed_t a, fixed_t b ) |
| 20:34:24 | kkurbjun | { |
| 20:34:24 | kkurbjun | #if 1 |
| 20:34:24 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK kkurbjun |
| 20:34:24 | kkurbjun | return ((long long) a * (long long) b) >> FRACBITS; |
| 20:34:24 | kkurbjun | #endif |
| 20:34:25 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 20:34:25 | kkurbjun | #if 0 |
| 20:34:27 | kkurbjun | double c; |
| 20:34:29 | kkurbjun | c = ((double)a) * ((double)b) / FRACUNIT; |
| 20:34:31 | kkurbjun | |
| 20:34:35 | kkurbjun | return (fixed_t) c; |
| 20:34:37 | kkurbjun | #endif |
| 20:34:37 | preglow | ahahah, ouch |
| 20:34:39 | kkurbjun | }, no I havn't changed anything in it though |
| 20:34:46 | preglow | fixed_t is 32 bit, i take it? |
| 20:34:53 | kkurbjun | yes, it's an int |
| 20:35:09 | preglow | FRACBITS is? |
| 20:35:41 | Domonoky | Paprica: any luck with my patch for h1x0 ? |
| 20:35:50 | kkurbjun | Paprica, I'd rather not have a rock distributed with it not working.. preglow: one second |
| 20:36:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:36:15 | * | lamed is waiting for brickmania as well! |
| 20:36:28 | Bagder | hint: use pastebin.com or similar services to paste code samples for viewing |
| 20:36:42 | kkurbjun | preglow:16 |
| 20:36:48 | Domonoky | a rock for h1x0 http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/brickmania.rock :-) |
| 20:36:58 | Paprica | Domonoky, didnt try it again |
| 20:37:02 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 20:37:07 | Paprica | i had home work in math |
| 20:37:07 | Paprica | =\ |
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| 20:37:16 | Paprica | have* |
| 20:37:20 | Domonoky | ok.. no problem.. :-) |
| 20:37:26 | Paprica | =] |
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| 20:38:53 | kkurbjun | preglow: also, the original had the first #if as #if 0 and the other part was what it was using |
| 20:39:05 | kkurbjun | (with the doubles) |
| 20:40:41 | kkurbjun | Bagder: I'll do that from now on |
| 20:40:44 | preglow | well |
| 20:40:49 | preglow | you can't use the double version, that's for sure |
| 20:41:00 | preglow | have you checked if the ipod people have modified it? |
| 20:41:03 | preglow | i can't see anything wrong with it |
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| 20:41:38 | kkurbjun | no, they use the same form.. hmm, maybe it isn't the math then |
| 20:41:52 | kkurbjun | I can't think of what would be causing the errors though |
| 20:43:20 | preglow | well, what have you modified? |
| 20:44:26 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 20:45:32 | kkurbjun | not much from the original source, I had to modify the file loading code to get it working with rockbox.. had to make a printf function, malloc, realloc, modify the sprintf's to snprintf and replace %i with %d, include rockbox's ctype.h.. |
| 20:45:53 | kkurbjun | the realloc doesn't copy the old data over, but as far as I can tell it's only called once |
| 20:46:22 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: I would do what preglow suggested - compare your source with the ipodlinux port of Doom. They will definitely be using the fixed point mode as well. |
| 20:46:58 | linuxstb_ | (sorry, you said you've done that.....) Ignore me. |
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| 20:47:28 | kkurbjun | yeah, I went through their source and it's almost identical except fo the headers(they dind't use gpl doom) and some of the specific stuff for rockbox |
| 20:47:34 | * | preglow realises exactly how new he is to cpu clock scaling |
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| 20:47:51 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Have you looked at the volume control yet? If not, I'll give it another quick shot now. |
| 20:47:58 | preglow | linuxstb_: no, i haven't |
| 20:48:03 | linuxstb_ | OK, I'll have a look. |
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| 20:49:05 | preglow | aegray: i don't get the values written to the cpu clock control regs at all |
| 20:49:22 | preglow | for 4g, at least |
| 20:49:41 | preglow | the pp5002 values are pretty straight forwards |
| 20:51:15 | lamed | Domonoky: is your .rock file supposed to work on an h1X0 ? |
| 20:51:27 | aegray | preglow: hmm? |
| 20:51:37 | aegray | jas |
| 20:52:02 | Domonoky | it should.. but could be that i uploaded the rock for the sim.. i will check :-) |
| 20:52:51 | aegray | outl(0xaa020000 | (prediv) | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
| 20:53:13 | aegray | (24 / prediv) * postmult = mhz |
| 20:53:17 | Bagder | hah, ipl and theior numerics in the code |
| 20:53:35 | aegray | theior? |
| 20:53:40 | preglow | they make me dizzy, the do |
| 20:53:41 | Bagder | I love a good 0x60006034 |
| 20:53:41 | preglow | they |
| 20:53:42 | Domonoky | reuploaded, now it is the rock for h1x0. |
| 20:53:54 | aegray | i do love that number |
| 20:54:00 | aegray | what does theior mean |
| 20:54:08 | preglow | he meant their |
| 20:54:14 | aegray | ah |
| 20:54:18 | preglow | you need to hang around me more |
| 20:54:21 | Bagder | my spel is prefect |
| 20:54:22 | preglow | will get misspelling into your blood |
| 20:54:24 | aegray | we don't know what the numbers mean! |
| 20:54:25 | Bagder | :-P |
| 20:54:42 | aegray | #define SOMEADDRESS_I_HAVE_NO_FUCKING_CLUE 0x60006034 |
| 20:54:45 | aegray | happy? |
| 20:54:47 | lamed | Domonky: it wasn't updated to the new plugin loader wasn't it..? |
| 20:54:48 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:54:54 | aegray | k i'll go in and change it all |
| 20:54:57 | lostlogic | well most likely neither do they since there's no docs on these bloody chips |
| 20:55:16 | Bagder | lostlogic: well, _they_ certainly have the docs |
| 20:55:24 | Bagder | who wrote the original stuff |
| 20:55:30 | aegray | portal player |
| 20:55:48 | muesli__ | re |
| 20:55:52 | lostlogic | Bagder: yarr, but IPL doesn't any more than we do |
| 20:55:58 | Bagder | right |
| 20:56:20 | lostlogic | what did portalplayer say when asked for datasheets? |
| 20:56:30 | aegray | i dunno - leachbj did that |
| 20:56:33 | preglow | "EHEHEHEHE YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING" |
| 20:56:39 | preglow | "EHEHAHA¤HAHARHG AHAHAHAHAH" |
| 20:56:43 | aegray | everyone says "its proprietary to apple - so no" |
| 20:56:44 | preglow | i guess that |
| 20:56:52 | Bagder | to apple? |
| 20:56:53 | linuxstb_ | How many million units are you going to buy? |
| 20:56:59 | Bagder | lots of other companies use portal player too |
| 20:57:04 | lamed | Domonky: still, i get incompatible model message |
| 20:57:04 | aegray | yea true |
| 20:57:07 | aegray | so nm |
| 20:57:26 | * | aegray shot down |
| 20:57:37 | Domonoky | strange.. |
| 20:57:40 | Bger | :-! |
| 20:57:50 | preglow | still doesn't change much |
| 20:58:09 | preglow | i'm sure portalplayer thinks they'll be less attractive when everyone knows how their stuff works, in their twisted logic |
| 20:58:52 | aegray | yea true |
| 20:59:14 | aegray | and they have a big set of optimized libraries afaik that they're trying to sell with the chip |
| 20:59:23 | aegray | / their support |
| 20:59:41 | preglow | that alone should be reason enough to give other people specs |
| 20:59:48 | preglow | after all, they've got what requires loads of work |
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| 21:00:07 | aegray | yea true |
| 21:00:13 | preglow | lostlogic: tried your codec timer patch on ipod, the first thing that happens when i boot, is that i'm greeted with a 0.0% realtime splash! |
| 21:00:23 | linuxstb_ | aegray: Do you know if/how the retailOS uses the COP? |
| 21:00:24 | preglow | lostlogic: then i try playing a file, and it just stops at the end, no realtime splash |
| 21:01:16 | aegray | linuxstb_: I'm not sure - but i would assume / from the small amount i've seen - that it sits in a loop asleep and waits on mailboxing requests from the cpu to do different tasks |
| 21:01:31 | lostlogic | preglow: hates you. if you stop before the end you'll get it. I'm not entirely sure yet why teh audio_stop_playback function is called all the damn time, but not when a song ends naturally. will poke at it more in 3.5 hours or so. |
| 21:01:32 | aegray | like cpu sends cop #13 - decode mp3_frame |
| 21:01:47 | aegray | interrupts cop |
| 21:02:01 | preglow | lostlogic: ok, nice to know |
| 21:02:45 | preglow | time for an arm flac optimisation |
| 21:02:46 | lostlogic | preglow: yeah, I didn't realize that was the case until just now... I'd been using the first song of a playlist and hitting stop yesterday so I didn't have that problem. |
| 21:03:01 | linuxstb_ | preglow: So it's not fast enough for you? |
| 21:03:05 | preglow | how do i stop in ipod? |
| 21:03:09 | preglow | on |
| 21:03:11 | preglow | i just find pause |
| 21:03:15 | linuxstb_ | Long press on play - but not too long.... |
| 21:03:19 | preglow | ahahah |
| 21:03:31 | lostlogic | the ipoo doesn't have a stop button!? |
| 21:03:36 | preglow | lostlogic: hell no |
| 21:03:38 | preglow | lostlogic: just pause |
| 21:03:48 | preglow | standard Apple Logical Design |
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| 21:04:15 | preglow | wish there was some way to eliminate the load |
| 21:04:23 | preglow | we need some lab mode or something |
| 21:04:35 | __peer__ | anyone got IFPxxx or IAudio G3 ? |
| 21:04:51 | preglow | linuxstb_: of course it's not fast enough for me |
| 21:05:01 | Bagder | tomal has a ifp7x0 I'm quite sure ;) |
| 21:05:02 | * | linuxstb_ mentions ALAC again... |
| 21:05:06 | preglow | i don't use alac :> |
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| 21:05:14 | preglow | where's the hotspot in it? |
| 21:05:17 | linuxstb_ | But it's the only non-realtime codec on the ipod. |
| 21:05:24 | linuxstb_ | It's almost the same as FLAC - the lpc |
| 21:05:26 | lostlogic | preglow: hmm... I can further hack the timer thing to pause for 10s to let disk load finish before starting timing. |
| 21:05:43 | preglow | lostlogic: your timer says flac is 82.3% realtime |
| 21:05:43 | __peer__ | tomal? |
| 21:05:48 | preglow | lostlogic: weird, since it plays realtime |
| 21:05:58 | Bagder | __peer__: he works on the rockbox port for the iFP7xx |
| 21:05:59 | preglow | linuxstb_: i was thinking more line number, file |
| 21:06:08 | linuxstb_ | There is only one file... Just a moment. |
| 21:06:20 | lostlogic | preglow: all numbers were a bit low yesterday, but that's the first case of a proven wrongness... will need more hacking. |
| 21:06:43 | preglow | but again |
| 21:06:47 | preglow | we need a lab mode or something |
| 21:07:05 | preglow | all this variation in when to press stop, file loading, etc, makes it a bit uncertain how it actually performs |
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| 21:07:56 | lostlogic | yah, I'll see if we can at least make it better so that 1) it only plays 1 track, and reports after that track 2) it stops the codec until disk loading is copmlete for that one track and starts timing after that. |
| 21:08:10 | preglow | linuxstb_: how can this little slip of a codec not be realtime? |
| 21:08:20 | preglow | lostlogic: you're my hero |
| 21:09:07 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I think it will be the function predictor_decompress_fir_adapt() |
| 21:09:37 | preglow | yeah, found it |
| 21:11:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: wow, that great bloody big nested conditional loop right under the most performance critical code is sure going to make it a breeze doing an asm version of thius |
| 21:11:13 | preglow | s/conditional loop/conditional branch/ |
| 21:11:50 | preglow | i'll have to use arm asm more before i try to tackle that |
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| 21:12:38 | preglow | with all that added complexity, i wonder how they can manage to not beat flac |
| 21:12:46 | Paprica | Domonoky, dont know why, but the bitmaps still mixed |
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| 21:13:45 | Domonoky | hm.. strange.. |
| 21:15:26 | Domonoky | paprica: where have you pu the bmps ? |
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| 21:15:45 | Paprica | in the native.. |
| 21:15:57 | Paprica | mono is for 2 colors, isnt it? |
| 21:15:57 | Paprica | =\ |
| 21:16:46 | Domonoky | jes native is correct.. |
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| 21:17:25 | Domonoky | dont know whats wrong.. it works on my box |
| 21:17:31 | preglow | aegray: you guys really used any other cpu freqs than the default ones? |
| 21:17:33 | Domonoky | and in the simualtor.. |
| 21:17:51 | billytwowilly | does rockbox have bookmarks? Can it speed up files (ie. like audiobooks in ipod?) |
| 21:17:55 | aegray | preglow: I messed around with it a bit and i'm working on a dynamic scaler |
| 21:18:00 | aegray | but other than that, nothin really |
| 21:18:14 | aegray | i clocked the shitty video player down to 28 i think |
| 21:18:21 | preglow | linuxstb_: i have absolutely no idea why this isn't realtime, my guess is some other issue than cpu load |
| 21:18:49 | preglow | if it can pull aac, it sure as hell can pull this |
| 21:19:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: you should try the codec timer patch on it |
| 21:19:27 | preglow | aegray: think i'm gonna try shoving this into our dynamic clock freq scheme |
| 21:19:46 | aegray | tell me how it goes - we run into some problems when switching sometimes |
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| 21:20:28 | aegray | jesus christ |
| 21:20:30 | aegray | whoops |
| 21:20:47 | preglow | what kind of problems? |
| 21:21:03 | aegray | just totally locks up |
| 21:21:20 | * | aegray cant figure out which window he's typing in |
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| 21:28:22 | NicoFR | has someone tried the codec timer patch on AAC on iriver ? |
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| 21:29:45 | cpu | hi guys |
| 21:29:54 | cpu | me again |
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| 21:30:09 | cpu | I wanted to ask about h3x0 non-lcd remonte |
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| 21:30:32 | cpu | anyone knows when it will be possible to turn on h3x0 with this remonte ? |
| 21:30:52 | cpu | cause it's only bug i found |
| 21:31:12 | muesli__ | cpu afaik the optimized build support it |
| 21:32:22 | cpu | yep I know I use it |
| 21:32:46 | cpu | but when I have player turn off and want to turn it on I cannot do this by remonte |
| 21:33:03 | cpu | cause I get HOLD switch on, power off... |
| 21:33:32 | muesli__ | dunno...m using the lcd one |
| 21:34:01 | cpu | and you can turn on your player with lcd remonte |
| 21:34:11 | cpu | but I can't with non-lcd |
| 21:34:28 | Lear | Uh-oh, the bmp loader for the H100 has some serious problems, it seems. Just tried the ipodvol wps and was greeted with an essentially black screen... :) |
| 21:34:29 | linuxstb_ | preglow: We have volume :) |
| 21:34:33 | preglow | w00t! |
| 21:34:46 | linuxstb_ | Stupid typo - my code was simply missing a minus sign.... |
| 21:34:47 | cpu | now I have only non-lcd remonte I'm planing to buy lcd but when I will have some money |
| 21:35:01 | leftright | LinusN: playlist bug for you ?. 'Queue' more than 4 albums, save the playlist to root, stop, then initiate playback from saved playlist, it only has one albums songs saved in the playlist, all the other tracks are lost. Using 'Insert' operation appears normal. |
| 21:35:44 | lostlogic | preglow: Testing new version of the TIME_CODEC patch against new pcmbuf, didn't I say I wasn't going to do this at work? :-P will port to CVS pcmbuf too, if it works |
| 21:35:51 | Lear | Or maybe not, others look fine... |
| 21:36:01 | XavierGr | leftritfh I think queue is temporary AFAIK |
| 21:36:38 | leftright | ah yes silly me, it wont save qeued files, thanks XavierGR |
| 21:37:52 | leftright | but.... why not save qeued files in a saved playlist, they should only be removed once played, or is my logic wrong ? |
| 21:38:24 | cpu | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=370354&postcount=168 |
| 21:38:48 | cpu | this is info about problem with non-lcd remonte |
| 21:39:39 | preglow | haha |
| 21:39:41 | XavierGr | Leftright: Because this way you have an option. You can either alter a playlist once, and save (with insert) or just queue some songs and save the playlist with the changes made with insert |
| 21:42:25 | preglow | linuxstb_: commit coming? |
| 21:43:31 | linuxstb_ | I'm playing with bass/treble as well... |
| 21:43:58 | XavierGr | wow iPod pictures on Rockbox daily builds page. Now this is the first time I am happy encountering an iPod photo. |
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| 21:46:38 | linuxstb_ | XavierGr: Yes, it looks odd... |
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| 21:46:46 | linuxstb_ | But nice. |
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| 21:48:16 | cpu | anyone here use h3x0 with non-lcd remonte ? |
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| 21:48:35 | XavierGr | iAudio says 0 errors, but that doesn't means Rockbox can run on the rel target, right? |
| 21:48:57 | Moos | No bootloader yet |
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| 21:49:08 | Bger | XavierGr it just "compiles" cleanly |
| 21:49:16 | perplexity | yes cpu I have the non-lcd remote |
| 21:49:17 | XavierGr | thought so... |
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| 21:49:57 | preglow | linuxstb_: the CPUFREQ defines you put in system.h are totally random, i take it? |
| 21:50:10 | Bger | XavierGr i suppose that there are even empty (stub) funcions |
| 21:51:04 | cpu | perplexity: don't you know is anybody working on this bug that we cannot turn on h3x0 with remonte ? |
| 21:52:14 | perplexity | yes and no.. |
| 21:52:16 | Bger | cpu i don't think it's a "bug" |
| 21:52:33 | cpu | so let's call this problem :) |
| 21:52:43 | perplexity | the issue is we still can't detect which remote is plugged in.. and the current code for the lcd remotes flags a hold when you plug in the non-lcd remote |
| 21:52:44 | cpu | perplexity: can you tell more ? |
| 21:52:53 | cpu | ahm |
| 21:53:17 | perplexity | until autodetection works, there is no point updating the bootloader.. so the issue with remain.. |
| 21:53:51 | cpu | so in other words we need to wait for some time |
| 21:53:58 | perplexity | perhaps yes.. |
| 21:54:56 | perplexity | the current kludge for rockbox where we tell it what remote is used with a config entry is just never going to work for the bootloader |
| 21:56:11 | cpu | so it's rather big issue |
| 21:56:37 | perplexity | well, its one that appears to be not so obviously easy to solve currently, yes |
| 21:56:46 | cpu | hmm I will consider buying lcd remonte then |
| 21:56:58 | cpu | thanks for explanations |
| 21:57:08 | perplexity | that would be one way to work around the problem :) welcome |
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| 22:02:48 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I think they were random, yes. |
| 22:03:23 | preglow | yes, we can safely call the first dynamic freq attempt a failure |
| 22:03:34 | preglow | sounds was suddenly white noise, and everything ended with a data abort |
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| 22:04:06 | preglow | aegray: are there any clock freqs i need to keep to to ensure that peripherals are chugging along nicely? |
| 22:04:43 | aegray | there are multiple clocks |
| 22:04:45 | aegray | i'm not positive |
| 22:05:03 | aegray | but the audio/i2s I think runs off a 32mhz clock |
| 22:05:16 | aegray | i don't really know which things run off which :/ |
| 22:05:36 | aegray | so basically - i'm useless to you |
| 22:07:30 | preglow | ok, what the hell's up |
| 22:07:35 | preglow | i get white noise even at 75mhz now |
| 22:07:45 | aegray | :( |
| 22:07:52 | preglow | no, it's a good thing |
| 22:07:58 | preglow | means the switching worked, but i fucked up somewhere else |
| 22:08:02 | aegray | ah |
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| 22:08:29 | damaki | hello, out there. is there anyone for some iPod photo bug report ? |
| 22:10:41 | preglow | go ahead |
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| 22:12:10 | damaki | well, I installed the daily build firmware and there's some strange kind of continuous diagonal scrolling. |
| 22:12:48 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Initial attempt at volume/bass/treble in CVS. It's not right, but it works. |
| 22:13:14 | cpu | bye |
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| 22:14:06 | preglow | linuxstb_: just enabling HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ with the default ipod- |
| 22:14:17 | linuxstb_ | Ouch... I just enabled crossfeed |
| 22:14:23 | damaki | the text is continuously translating to the bottom-left part of the screen |
| 22:14:24 | preglow | linuxstb_: just enabling HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ with the default ipod_set_cpu_Freq as set_cpu_frequency messes audio up |
| 22:14:34 | damaki | doh, bottom-right |
| 22:15:00 | preglow | linuxstb_: perhaps this is a case of the other photo lcd display? |
| 22:15:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: What would you like to see on the iPodRuntime page? |
| 22:15:23 | damaki | and the movement is cycling so that it eventually comes back to top-left |
| 22:15:31 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Very high numbers :) |
| 22:15:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha. Well, that too. |
| 22:15:56 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Do you have quite an old iPod Photo? |
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| 22:16:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a quick introduction saying "Please start at 100%, and don't play games on it" and a table of results? |
| 22:16:56 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes - a description of the "testing methodology". i.e. charge the ipod until it says "charged", then play a long album (bigger than 30MB) on auto-repeat until your ipod is dead. |
| 22:17:03 | damaki | it should not be old as I bought it 3 months ago. the model number is A1099 |
| 22:17:45 | linuxstb_ | Does it actually say "iPod Photo" on the box? |
| 22:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 22:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I included yours, just so the table actually had two sections. |
| 22:19:05 | damaki | nope, only "iPod 60 GB" |
| 22:19:54 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Are you the person from hydrogenaudio who reported this problem? |
| 22:20:12 | damaki | not at all |
| 22:20:29 | linuxstb_ | OK :) That means you are not alone then. |
| 22:20:51 | damaki | great :) |
| 22:21:14 | linuxstb_ | The iPod Photo/Color actually come in two versions with different LCDs. We've only tested the LCD driver on the second type of LCDs (I have one) - no-one until now has tested the first type. |
| 22:21:27 | linuxstb_ | So I'm assuming there is a bug in the first type of lcd driver. |
| 22:22:04 | damaki | it must be some kind of hydrogenaudio disease because I also read this forum :P |
| 22:22:08 | linuxstb_ | Or alternatively, the code to detect which LCD you are using doesn't work correctly. I'm just compiling a build now which hard-codes the lcd type to the "first" type. |
| 22:22:10 | Domonoky | can anyone with h1x0 test if this rock works ? http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/brickmania.rock |
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| 22:23:10 | Furious_G | hello all |
| 22:23:35 | Furious_G | any support around, i have a question about the ipod version on a 4g color ipod |
| 22:23:44 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Can you test this rockbox.zip and let me know if it is any different? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-lcd0.zip |
| 22:23:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 22:23:51 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: LCD problems? |
| 22:24:09 | Furious_G | yeah, and the UI is buggy |
| 22:24:13 | Furious_G | is this a known problem? |
| 22:24:20 | linuxstb_ | Describe your symptoms. |
| 22:24:29 | damaki | yeah, I'll check this out immediately |
| 22:24:56 | Furious_G | when i boot into rockbox its blue background with black text, the entire menu scrolls left to right when i scroll up and down the menu |
| 22:25:30 | linuxstb_ | Does the Rockbox logo display correctly when it flashes up during boot? |
| 22:25:35 | Furious_G | if i stop scrolling up and down, strange graphics, which look like the battery meter and such, scroll down over the menu over and over again to the point i cant see anything until i move the wheel again |
| 22:25:41 | Furious_G | no it doesnt, strange colors |
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| 22:26:47 | Furious_G | also, the original FW is strange colors, even just with the bootloader, and not rockbox installed |
| 22:27:41 | damaki | oh, I've got this one too. just forgotten to mention it ^^; |
| 22:28:08 | linuxstb_ | Yes - half the people with ipod colors seem to be reporting identical symptoms. |
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| 22:28:26 | Furious_G | oh alright, im just glad its not just me |
| 22:28:28 | chopped_pork | Domonoky: it says incompatible version here |
| 22:29:00 | Domonoky | do you have an actual rockbox version ? like from today ? |
| 22:29:06 | damaki | linuxstb_: your updated firmware works |
| 22:29:23 | Furious_G | well the problem has to be in the bootloader, as the problem starts in the originnal FW |
| 22:29:28 | linuxstb_ | damaki: It does? :) |
| 22:29:36 | Furious_G | yeah i have the newest version of rockbox and apple FW |
| 22:29:53 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Can you try this version of rockbox: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-lcd0.zip |
| 22:30:02 | Furious_G | sure, one sec |
| 22:30:09 | chopped_pork | Domonoky: from a week ago, i'll upgrade first |
| 22:30:37 | linuxstb_ | damaki: If that works, then the problem is not the lcd driver itself, but the detection of which lcd driver to use. |
| 22:31:00 | linuxstb_ | I'll build a new bootloader now as well for you. |
| 22:31:32 | Lear | Gah, that it should take so long to find a simple bug sometimes... :) |
| 22:31:43 | damaki | nice, thanks :) |
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| 22:31:58 | lostlogic | preglow: by not timing during buffering flac on H3x0 says 428.42%. Haven't been able to make it only play the first of a playlist yet, but when the playlist stops, it reports right. |
| 22:32:14 | preglow | lostlogic: that sounds very right |
| 22:32:24 | linuxstb_ | damaki: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-color0.bin |
| 22:32:33 | lostlogic | trying mp3 and ogg now, then will adapt and post a new version against CVS |
| 22:32:54 | chopped_pork | Domonoky: it works:D |
| 22:33:01 | chopped_pork | Domonoky: so cool :) |
| 22:33:15 | Domonoky | nice.. :-) |
| 22:33:28 | chopped_pork | h1x0's joystick is far better suited for brickmania than the h3x0 buttons;p |
| 22:33:28 | Furious_G | that worked for the scrolling, colors are still messed up |
| 22:34:04 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Can you try this bootloader? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-color0.bin |
| 22:34:18 | Domonoky | it could use nicer pice on h1x0... but im no artist :-) |
| 22:34:27 | Furious_G | sure |
| 22:34:30 | Furious_G | one sec |
| 22:35:10 | chopped_pork | Domonoky: the only problem i see is that the powerups are barely readable, but that's mostly the crappy lcd's fault i guess |
| 22:35:14 | elinenbe | linuxstb_: nice work... I came home from work today to see if the volume code for the ipod has been done, AND IT WAS!!! THANKS! |
| 22:35:59 | Domonoky | yes.. better pics for the poweups could help.. as hint.. the dark powups, are the bads :-) |
| 22:36:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe just give them slightly different shapes on the grayscale screens? |
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| 22:37:13 | damaki | linuxstb_: the original firmware's display is till messy. I'll try and check once more I really wrote the good bootloader |
| 22:37:25 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Wait a moment. |
| 22:37:33 | Domonoky | there are to many for different shades for all of then.. so i made the bad poweups darker as the good powerups.. |
| 22:37:47 | linuxstb_ | damak, Furious_G: I think I've found the color problem - just compiling another bootloader now. |
| 22:38:34 | linuxstb_ | damaki, Furious_G: Same address, new file: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-color0.bin |
| 22:39:20 | preglow | nice |
| 22:39:30 | preglow | the nano output level is decent |
| 22:39:35 | preglow | fair bit of clipping at 6db |
| 22:40:26 | LinusN | i just measured the performance of read() on the H300 |
| 22:40:55 | XavierGr | and? |
| 22:41:26 | LinusN | at 120MHz, a single read() of a large file: 5.2mbyte/s |
| 22:41:27 | damaki | it's now working flawlessly, linuxstb_ |
| 22:41:57 | XavierGr | Linus: Is that good or bad? |
| 22:42:18 | damaki | thanks a lot ;) |
| 22:42:30 | amiconn | LinusN: That's rather slow imho |
| 22:42:37 | LinusN | XavierGr: it's decent, but i'd like it to be faster |
| 22:42:50 | XavierGr | H100 comparison? |
| 22:43:00 | LinusN | same |
| 22:43:31 | elinenbe | linuxstb_: I noticed that none of the plugins come with the nano distro on the builds page... is there a reason for this? |
| 22:44:01 | preglow | damn |
| 22:44:05 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Can you do one final test? Try the last bootloader I gave you with an "official" download of rockbox.zip? |
| 22:44:12 | preglow | the nano output is pretty much just as hot as the h120 |
| 22:44:36 | Furious_G | linuxstb_: ive still got color problems on both |
| 22:44:59 | damaki | linuxstb_: sure |
| 22:45:05 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: With the second bootloader I uploaded? |
| 22:45:07 | Furious_G | yes |
| 22:45:56 | elinenbe | linuxstb_: my bad... a number of the plugins are included. |
| 22:46:16 | Rob2222 | is audio running on the video, too, now? |
| 22:46:27 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Then I'm confused... |
| 22:46:39 | Furious_G | damaki: your colors are good? |
| 22:46:49 | Furious_G | on both rockbox and original FW? |
| 22:47:49 | linuxstb_ | Rob2222: No, and it could be a long time. No-one from Rockbox is investigating it at the moment, so we're relying on the ipodlinux people. |
| 22:48:33 | linuxstb_ | (not that I'm saying the ipodlinux people are slow, just that we have absolutely no idea when it will happen). |
| 22:48:36 | Rob2222 | linuxstb_: Where's the difference? I have a ipod VIDEO amlost every evening aviable for test. |
| 22:48:47 | linuxstb_ | Rob2222: No-one even knows that yet. |
| 22:48:51 | Rob2222 | i only couldnt disassemble it, caus it isnt my unit |
| 22:48:56 | linuxstb_ | All we know is that the existing code doesn't work. |
| 22:49:17 | Rob2222 | so no one knows the hardware differences? |
| 22:49:31 | Bger | amiconn ? |
| 22:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Furious_G: Are your problems still occurring in both firmwares, or just one now? |
| 22:50:07 | linuxstb_ | Rob2222: No-one has seriously investigated it yet, so no. |
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| 22:50:36 | Furious_G | both |
| 22:50:49 | Bger | amiconn u there ? |
| 22:50:51 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:50:59 | Furious_G | it seems to be a bootloader issue, it occurs with and without the actual .rockbox dir in the ipod |
| 22:51:02 | damaki | linuxstb_: the scrolling problem comes back |
| 22:51:16 | Bger | amiconn can i ask you for a little help ? |
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| 22:51:43 | linuxstb_ | damaki: OK, thanks. That's not really a surprise. |
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| 22:51:54 | Furious_G | damaki: your colors are good? |
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| 22:51:58 | Furious_G | in both FW? |
| 22:51:59 | damaki | yeah |
| 22:52:18 | Furious_G | it was the bootloader he gave you that did it? |
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| 22:52:53 | Furious_G | i will try the same hting again |
| 22:52:54 | Furious_G | one sec |
| 22:52:56 | damaki | uh, wait, I compare with you uploaded firmware. seems like my memory has just failed ^^; |
| 22:54:53 | markun | t0mas: a girl I went to school with is the daughter of that rapping major :) |
| 22:55:17 | t0mas | really? |
| 22:55:20 | t0mas | cool |
| 22:55:36 | t0mas | ask her if she has the full song |
| 22:55:38 | amiconn | Bger: Just ask |
| 22:55:40 | t0mas | I sitll haven't heard it |
| 22:56:25 | LinusN | ok, some tweaking of the ATA timing gave marginal improvements |
| 22:56:43 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 22:57:00 | LinusN | it looks like the ATA read loop could use some movem.l optimization for sdram bursts |
| 22:57:01 | amiconn | We're running the disk in PIO4, right? |
| 22:57:10 | damaki | Furious_G: the red becomes grey with the new bootloader and the daily build firmware |
| 22:57:15 | Bger | amiconn could you look at a new ver of the battery_bench.c, especially the thread setup... |
| 22:57:21 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 22:57:38 | amiconn | So... I would expect >10MByte/s to be possible |
| 22:58:09 | Bger | brb |
| 22:58:17 | Rob2222 | linuxstb_: Well the Video hardware is already documented on the web. But you need the connections between the chips, right? |
| 22:58:19 | linuxstb_ | damaki: You've confused me now. Is everything 100% perfect when you are using the second version of bootloader-color0.bin and rockbox-lcd0.zip ? |
| 22:58:26 | damaki | but with the new bootloader and apple firmware or new bootloader and new firmsware, colors are perfect |
| 22:58:36 | amiconn | Bger: The thread setup etc of the cvs version is ok by itself, the only thing is that it uses rb->plugin_get_buffer() |
| 22:58:45 | damaki | so, to sum up : |
| 22:59:01 | amiconn | A tsr plugin must not do this (a fact that I wasn't really aware of earlier) |
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| 22:59:26 | damaki | bootloader-color0.bin + rockbox-lcd0.zip => ok |
| 22:59:27 | Furious_G | my colors are still messed up on both |
| 22:59:38 | preglow | gotta go |
| 22:59:40 | preglow | later |
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| 23:00:08 | damaki | bootloader-color0.bin + rockbox-ipodcolor-20060130.zip => wrong |
| 23:00:10 | amiconn | A static unsigned long stack[nn] with a decent nn (DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE/sizeof(unsigned long)) should do. |
| 23:00:21 | damaki | bootloader-color0.bin + apple firmware => good |
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| 23:00:34 | Bger | amiconn look at http://pastebin.com/531153 please |
| 23:00:36 | Bger | brb, reboot |
| 23:00:56 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Can you try this bootloader: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-furious_g.bin |
| 23:01:06 | Furious_G | sure |
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| 23:01:08 | Furious_G | one sec |
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| 23:07:09 | Furious_G | nothing |
| 23:07:11 | Furious_G | no changes |
| 23:07:14 | lostlogic | 428.29/win5 |
| 23:07:23 | lostlogic | nvm that |
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| 23:07:28 | Furious_G | both FW are still discolored |
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| 23:08:12 | LinusN | ok, so someone with a lot of time on his hands should try to optimize the copy_read_sectors() loop to use movem.l for nice burst sdram writes |
| 23:08:20 | amiconn | Bger: hi again |
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| 23:08:37 | amiconn | Some battery_bench remarks: |
| 23:08:41 | Bger | yep? |
| 23:09:03 | amiconn | (1) It's recommended to use an (unsigned) long array for the stack, to ensure alignment |
| 23:09:10 | Bger | can i be sure that the ... |
| 23:09:14 | Bger | just to ask this :) |
| 23:09:43 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Thanks for testing. I've got no more ideas at the moment, but I'll work on it. |
| 23:10:11 | Furious_G | alright no prob, is there a way i could get the bootloader off the ipod? or do i have to wait for the fix |
| 23:10:20 | amiconn | (2) (a) The player keymapping doesn't match the info string, (b) the info string is rather long and (c) it's not the quasi-standard yes/no mapping for player |
| 23:10:47 | linuxstb_ | Furious: Just use "ipodpatcher" to write the original bootpartition.bin that you read at the start of the installation process back to your ipod. |
| 23:10:50 | amiconn | Standard bool input on player is (PLAY/STOP) |
| 23:10:58 | Bger | okies |
| 23:11:06 | amiconn | Just this exact string would be sufficient as info string |
| 23:11:21 | amiconn | It's 11 chars, so it doesn't even scroll |
| 23:11:34 | Furious_G | i need to use the original from the very beggining when i started installing? |
| 23:11:38 | Bger | aha |
| 23:12:01 | Bger | this aren't big issues atm ... |
| 23:12:04 | Furious_G | cause im pretty sure i deleted the first one |
| 23:12:06 | amiconn | I wonder what the 200 extra bytes in the cvs version were for... They seem to be unused |
| 23:12:08 | Bger | i'm having problems with stkov... |
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| 23:12:19 | amiconn | Really? |
| 23:12:24 | amiconn | How much is on the stack? |
| 23:12:26 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Yes - the file you created in step 1c) |
| 23:12:38 | Bger | amiconn that's why i wanted to look at it ... |
| 23:12:52 | Furious_G | can i make one now, or did i need the original |
| 23:13:40 | linuxstb_ | You need the original... |
| 23:13:58 | Furious_G | ah, thats prob why it hasnt been working, ive been remaking that file every time |
| 23:14:05 | Bger | amiconn and this is really strange ... |
| 23:14:14 | Furious_G | could that be the problem |
| 23:14:34 | amiconn | It seems there isn't much on the stack. Imho even DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE should be sufficient |
| 23:14:40 | amiconn | (1KB) |
| 23:14:41 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: That sounds likely. You just needed to start at step 1e) |
| 23:14:49 | Bger | amiconn so there's buffer overflow ... |
| 23:14:59 | Bger | it stkov-s with 1kb... |
| 23:15:13 | Furious_G | alright, so i need to find an original bootpartition.bin now |
| 23:15:31 | Bger | i'm asking you to see whether there's something obvious ... |
| 23:15:37 | Bger | in thread setup etc... |
| 23:15:46 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: You can try running the Apple iPod Updater |
| 23:15:52 | Furious_G | do you know if they are universal? for stock ipods |
| 23:16:01 | Furious_G | yeah, i just updated to the latest version :\ |
| 23:16:15 | Furious_G | id have to restor and lose all my music |
| 23:16:33 | BHSPitMonkey | what's wrong now? |
| 23:16:45 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: You can manually downgrade I think. Just a moment.... |
| 23:17:00 | Furious_G | thanks man, im dumb |
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| 23:17:23 | BHSPitMonkey | change the version down to a lower version in ipod_control/sysinfo |
| 23:17:29 | linuxstb_ | Furious_G: Try these instructions for uninstalling ipodlinux: http://ipodlinux.org/Uninstallation |
| 23:17:29 | BHSPitMonkey | (approximate filename) |
| 23:17:46 | Furious_G | BHSP: you know this works? |
| 23:17:51 | amiconn | Bger: Eh, it seems there is a nasty buffer overflow: |
| 23:17:52 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah. |
| 23:17:56 | BHSPitMonkey | use that page. |
| 23:18:04 | Furious_G | i can change it then use the ipod updater? |
| 23:18:09 | amiconn | Bger: Line 114: buffelements = sizeof(bat); |
| 23:18:11 | BHSPitMonkey | yes |
| 23:18:15 | amiconn | should imho read |
| 23:18:19 | BHSPitMonkey | the updater will think you need an upgrade |
| 23:18:27 | Furious_G | alright cool, thanks a lot |
| 23:18:27 | amiconn | buffelements = sizeof(bat)/sizeof(struct batt_info); |
| 23:18:32 | Bger | uf :( |
| 23:18:36 | lostlogic | flac 582kbps: 428.54%, mp3 160kbps: 242.21%, ogg/vorbis q7: 150.73% how do these numbers seem for H340 realtime percents? If they're realistic, I'm posting another codec timer patch soonish |
| 23:18:38 | Bger | ok, i'm dumb :) |
| 23:19:08 | LinusN | lostlogic: looks realistic |
| 23:19:09 | Bger | 10x ... |
| 23:19:10 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: They look spot-on to me. |
| 23:19:18 | amiconn | ..and then line 135 should read last = buffelements - 1; |
| 23:19:25 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: Do you have any WAV files? |
| 23:19:28 | amiconn | (C counts from 0) |
| 23:20:06 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps not |
| 23:20:08 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: if you have one conveniently available it would be easier than me finding it. |
| 23:20:19 | amiconn | The 'last' element isn't used |
| 23:20:50 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: OK, I'll try and find something small. |
| 23:20:51 | Bger | yep |
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| 23:23:36 | Bger | amiconn: okay, 10x :) |
| 23:23:43 | Bger | i'll look into this tomorrow |
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| 23:27:34 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Did you get my PMs? |
| 23:30:12 | Furious_G | linuxstb: i tired again with the same setup damaki had, colors are good |
| 23:30:35 | Furious_G | original FW is good, startup spplash for rockbox is messy but functions fine |
| 23:31:06 | Furious_G | thannks a lot, i appreciate your help |
| 23:31:30 | linuxstb | No problem. So the ipodlinux uninstallation instructions worked, or did you manage to find a bootpartition.bin / |
| 23:31:32 | linuxstb | ? |
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| 23:31:53 | Furious_G | yeah, i did the uninstall, then updated through ipod updater, then used the correct files |
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| 23:32:15 | linuxstb | Cool. If you compress bootpartition.bin using winzip, it should become very small. |
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| 23:32:44 | linuxstb | I should update the installation instructions to recommend that people keep that file safe. |
| 23:33:05 | Furious_G | yeah, for people like me :D |
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| 23:35:28 | damaki | yeah, and people who mess with dd should not forget to keep a mbr and a bootpartition.bin backups XD |
| 23:35:59 | damaki | dd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sda is a killer >_< |
| 23:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 23:37:03 | Furious_G | what is the UI supposed to look like? i just have black text on a blue background |
| 23:37:06 | Furious_G | is that right? |
| 23:37:08 | linuxstb | damaki: It's even worse if you do that dd command with an iRiver H140 plugged into your USB port instead of your ipod.... |
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| 23:38:54 | elinenbe | linuxstb: the slow UI on the ipod distracts from the "experience" −− I hate turning up the volume a little... and then it keeps going and going until it bursts my ears! |
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| 23:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Furious_G: Yeah, it's entirely text based, really. |
| 23:41:06 | linuxstb | elinenbe: Couldn't agree more :) |
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| 23:43:07 | elinenbe | linuxstb: would it be hard to move a thread to a different processor, or would it be much more difficult? |
| 23:43:42 | linuxstb | elinenbe, Furious_G: The (near) future of Rockbox on colour LCDs: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35852 |
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| 23:44:13 | linuxstb | elinenbe: The first thing is to optimise the existing code as much as we can. I think we'll save power if we can leave the second CPU sleeping. |
| 23:44:22 | XavierGr | amiconn: You are amazing! Those 2 changes did the trick! |
| 23:45:01 | linuxstb | elinenbe: But yes, we'll use the second CPU if we need to. |
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| 23:48:10 | LedFloyd | ironically, one of the first color WPS screens was based on a naked asain woman covered by the progress bar. |
| 23:48:44 | elinenbe | linuxstb: what I am asking is, is the change trivial, or complex? |
| 23:49:03 | linuxstb | complex |
| 23:49:21 | linuxstb | Due to the fact that each CPU has an independent cache |
| 23:49:53 | linuxstb | We'll need to work out a system for passing data between the two CPUs - which can only reliably be done using the IRAM. |
| 23:49:54 | elinenbe | ah. |
| 23:50:08 | BHSPitLappy | wow, those wpsses look great. |
| 23:50:29 | LedFloyd | somewhat hopeless question: do you think it's possible that the iPod, may, one day, sound as good as the iRiver loaded with Rockbox? Or is this just a hardware issue? |
| 23:50:33 | elinenbe | linuxstb: Yes, I have seen those WPS screens... they are nice, but I have a nano, and I am not sure the resolution compared to the i300 |
| 23:50:42 | elinenbe | sorry, h320/h340 |
| 23:50:42 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Yes :) They are using some small unofficial patches to Rockbox, but those patches (or better equivalents) are slowly being committed to CVS. |
| 23:50:49 | BHSPitLappy | cool |
| 23:51:02 | BHSPitLappy | I'll wait for cvs since I'm lazy like that. |
| 23:51:20 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: I expect you to produce a nice Nano WPS :) |
| 23:51:25 | BHSPitLappy | ha |
| 23:51:32 | * | BHSPitLappy has no clue how they're made. |
| 23:51:50 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 23:52:09 | elinenbe | linuxstb: do you know the resolutions of the different players? |
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| 23:52:48 | linuxstb | elinenbe: The H300 and iPod Color/Photo are both 220x176. The Nano is 176x132 |
| 23:53:42 | elinenbe | yeah... that'll screw me :) −− although I think something that is going to soon be necessary, is there should be sub-dirs in the build for WPS for the different models. |
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| 23:54:12 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart is missing some additions... |
| 23:54:20 | Bagder | elinenbe: the zips are made for the specific target |
| 23:54:27 | Bagder | including the wpses |
| 23:54:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | elinenbe: WPS for models of too high resolution get left out for each build. So you only get equal, or smaller sized WPSes |
| 23:55:10 | Bagder | but it could need some improvements of course |
| 23:55:17 | Bagder | what couldn't? ;-) |
| 23:55:20 | elinenbe | well, once some of these 24bit WPS's are included... some will work on the different models and not others... also, like in my nano zip, I have some WPS's that are for the h120 and they are looking fugly |
| 23:55:45 | Bagder | elinenbe: yes, but they don't include WPSes that don't work |
| 23:56:45 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: so is some of that stuff beyond the .wps's control? looks like that's a global theme type of thing too |
| 23:56:47 | elinenbe | Bagder: that's true. |
| 23:56:53 | BHSPitLappy | e.g. the header |
| 23:57:00 | beeble | LedFloyd: how does the ipod sound? and do you have a comparison to the original firmware? |
| 23:57:30 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: by "header", do you mean the status bar at the top of the screen? |
| 23:57:43 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, sorry for my terminology |
| 23:57:56 | BHSPitLappy | too accustomed to podzilla :P |
| 23:58:01 | elinenbe | it couldn't hurt to have CVS dirs for the different models? no? or to have the first line of the WPS be either #nano/#recorder/#player/#h100/#h300/#color/#x5 |
| 23:58:16 | Bagder | elinenbe: why? |
| 23:58:22 | Bagder | WPSes are not player-specific |
| 23:58:32 | Bagder | it would only be used the wrong way |
| 23:58:46 | elinenbe | you really think so? how could it be used improperly? |
| 23:59:00 | Bagder | a h300 wps would work identically on the ipod |
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