00:00:02 | elinenbe | you know what? this is the first time rockbox is working on a currently made player (the nano) since the archos recorder a few years back. |
00:00:07 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: how did they make it look all...graphical on that thread |
00:00:13 | Bagder | the only thing with the currenyt system is that it has no "lower resolution" limit |
00:00:21 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: By using lots of bitmaps. |
00:00:32 | elinenbe | BHSPitLappy: you should download the H300 Optimized build from that site, and you can have the same screens... |
00:00:46 | BHSPitLappy | is using a bunch of bitmaps necessarily good practice? |
00:01:04 | Bger | nite all! amiconn, 10x for seeing my dumbness so quickly ;) |
00:01:06 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: I'm not an expert of WPSs - the iriver users at misticriver have built up a lot of expertise. Just don't tell them you're an ipod owner... :) |
00:01:08 | BHSPitLappy | well, I guess so, if retailOS does :P |
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00:01:27 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: How else can you create a graphical WPS? |
00:01:46 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: like podzilla2 does? gradients, shapes, etc? |
00:01:48 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
00:01:57 | linuxstb | But that's slower. |
00:02:11 | linuxstb | Blitting a bitmap will be faster than drawing shapes. |
00:02:23 | beeble | how fast is that grapgical wps? |
00:02:28 | beeble | graphical |
00:02:38 | BHSPitLappy | so what I understand now is that a .wps is just a layout for text and stuff |
00:02:53 | BHSPitLappy | but all that graphical-ness in that thread came from a separate feature? |
00:03:33 | linuxstb | It's basically the same feature. A .wps file can refer to external .bmp files. |
00:03:45 | BHSPitLappy | ah, I see that now |
00:03:54 | linuxstb | Some features like changing fg/bg colour, and setting margins on the display of text are not in CVS yet. |
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00:04:50 | BHSPitLappy | does a wps take over the status bar? |
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00:05:07 | BHSPitLappy | like, replace it with its own rendition of that information? |
00:05:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Only in that it can toggle the built in one not to display. |
00:05:19 | linuxstb | That's optional - there is a tag to enable/disable the status bar. |
00:05:28 | BHSPitLappy | so then it can display its own battery meter, etc? |
00:05:43 | BHSPitLappy | (and be all pretty-pretty) |
00:05:51 | linuxstb | Yes. Something like 10 different bitmaps depending on the current status. |
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00:07:07 | BHSPitLappy | so...maybe my first one should be a retailos clone? :P |
00:07:18 | linuxstb | I think there already is one... |
00:07:18 | Bagder | BHSPitLappy: I think there is one |
00:07:21 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
00:07:36 | topbloke | hey sorry to interrupt but i got a Q: can i flash an old rockbox ajbrec.ajz file onto my archos? |
00:07:37 | linuxstb | A perverted iRiver owner created it... |
00:07:44 | LinusN | hmm, i can see a few possible optimizations in the wps code |
00:07:44 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, i think i see it |
00:08:04 | Bagder | topbloke: you can flash rockbox at least |
00:08:06 | BHSPitLappy | it's really fugly though |
00:08:10 | Furious_G | thanks a lot guys, im outta here |
00:08:17 | LinusN | the most obvious is to not render the wps in the remote frame buffer if no remote is attached |
00:08:29 | BHSPitLappy | haha, the winamp one is well-implemented |
00:08:31 | topbloke | but i only have the .ajz and not the source cause i modified it |
00:08:39 | Bagder | topbloke: then you can't |
00:08:43 | LinusN | the second one is to not render the wps in the main lcd frame buffer if the lcd is off |
00:08:44 | topbloke | aw :( |
00:08:56 | amiconn | LinusN: That idea goes in line with not rendering the wps on H3x0 when the backlight is off |
00:09:11 | LinusN | amiconn: that's the second one |
00:09:18 | amiconn | It will be necessary to monitor status and do a full redraw on demand then |
00:09:34 | LinusN | yes, setting restore=true; |
00:09:46 | topbloke | so theres no way to make a flash file from an ajz? |
00:09:54 | midkay | toppy! |
00:09:56 | midkay | whoa. |
00:09:59 | topbloke | hey man |
00:10:01 | amiconn | topbloke: No, why? |
00:10:02 | LinusN | if the peak meter is active, we can save quite some cpu |
00:10:03 | topbloke | i'm back! |
00:10:06 | midkay | wb :) |
00:10:14 | topbloke | from the dead! |
00:10:22 | midkay | double wb then! |
00:10:23 | amiconn | All rockbox versions which support running from flash provide the needed .ucl file(s) |
00:10:49 | topbloke | ok thanks |
00:11:09 | petur | so the peakmeter code can be disabled as well.... |
00:11:34 | topbloke | oh and also is there a documented way to fix the headphone output - mine doesnt work on one side sometimes |
00:12:06 | topbloke | i have a recorder |
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00:13:17 | LinusN | hmm, maybe a bool is_active() method in the screen_access api? |
00:13:43 | amiconn | Either that, or sending SYS_ events |
00:13:59 | amiconn | It would still be necessary to read the initial status |
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00:15:37 | LinusN | does lcd-h100-remote.c export the remote status? |
00:17:39 | amiconn | No, but it has an internal variable tracking the status |
00:17:57 | amiconn | A readout function should be trivial |
00:18:17 | LinusN | we could let the lcd drivers export the status |
00:18:29 | amiconn | Yes, via a read function |
00:18:42 | LinusN | and map that to the display->active() function |
00:19:03 | amiconn | afaiu, the policy is to not export variables from firmware code |
00:19:36 | LinusN | then the wps renderer could skip the rendering if display->is_active() == false |
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00:19:58 | LinusN | the only quirk is that it has to restore when the display becomes active |
00:19:59 | amiconn | Yes, but it would need to track status itself |
00:20:09 | LinusN | exactly |
00:20:14 | topbloke | ok one more: If i flash a current rockbox ucl does it load a ajbrec.ajz from the root when it boots up? |
00:20:22 | amiconn | ...and if last time display was off and is now on, do a full redraw |
00:20:24 | Bagder | topbloke: no |
00:20:28 | topbloke | sorry but i have been away from the scene for a while |
00:20:34 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
00:20:43 | topbloke | ok thanks |
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00:32:08 | linuxstb | damaki_, Furious_G : Are either of you still around? |
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00:40:06 | BHSPitLappy | "The images must be in a rockbox compatible format (1 bit per pixel BMP)" <- I'm guessing the 1bpp thing is outdated? |
00:40:17 | Bagder | very |
00:40:21 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
00:40:46 | damaki_ | linuxstb: yup |
00:41:13 | kkurbjun | amiconn: is there any way to compile a plugin without GCCOPTS, I'm trying to test and see if any flags are messing up what I'm working on, but every time I try and change the flags I get Incompatable model errors |
00:41:35 | JdGordon | here.. there is nothing wrong with this line is there to open the damn file to write to.. fd = rb->PREFIX(open)(file,O_WRONLY|O_CREAT);? |
00:42:23 | Bagder | JdGordon: you should simply use rb->open(file, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT); |
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00:43:07 | linuxstb | damaki_: Will you be able to test something in a few minutes? |
00:43:53 | damaki_ | yes, for 15 minutes |
00:44:34 | BHSPitLappy | anyone know if the bmp coordinates in .wps begin at 0 or 1? |
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00:45:17 | damaki_ | 0, I guess, as every C array should |
00:48:02 | BHSPitLappy | and transparent bmp's use magenta, right? |
00:49:26 | linuxstb | Yes - #ff00ff |
00:49:31 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
00:49:35 | BHSPitLappy | 255 0 255 |
00:49:40 | linuxstb | That as well... |
00:49:45 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
00:49:53 | damaki_ | magic pink \o/ |
00:50:04 | BHSPitLappy | some of us think in base 10 math, thank you very much |
00:51:44 | Cassandra | Is transparency commited yet? I thought it wasn't working. |
00:52:17 | LinusN | works just fine |
00:52:54 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
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00:53:15 | BHSPitLappy | oh, the bmp's need to be 16bit don't they |
00:53:24 | BHSPitLappy | is that why this 24 looks all messed up in the sim :P |
00:53:31 | elinenbe | LinusN: how is the single BMP for the WPS coming? |
00:53:40 | LinusN | slow |
00:53:57 | elinenbe | are you doing other rockbox related work as well? |
00:54:06 | LinusN | plenty |
00:54:23 | elinenbe | anything exciting? :-) |
00:54:44 | LinusN | not really |
00:54:50 | Moos | like iaudio bootloader :-) |
00:54:56 | LinusN | hehe |
00:55:24 | LinusN | Moos: soon |
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00:55:34 | fairway | hi |
00:55:49 | Moos | LinusN: I'm patient, and I know you're busy |
00:56:00 | Moos | :-) |
00:56:13 | fairway | i have the problem that the ipod themes do not fit the full screen |
00:56:15 | fairway | as seen here |
00:56:15 | fairway | http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/6522/p10002780qv.jpg |
00:56:25 | fairway | except for the status bar |
00:56:32 | linuxstb | damaki_: I think I've found the problem with the lcd detection. But it may be 5-10 minutes until I can give you a build to test. |
00:56:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: That's because no themes have been made for the iPod yet. Those are all from devices with smaller screens. |
00:56:51 | LinusN | fairway: those themes were made for a smaller lcd |
00:57:01 | fairway | how can I adjust them? |
00:57:05 | fairway | or did anyone else try one? |
00:57:33 | fairway | do you know of any themes made especially for the ipod? |
00:57:33 | Cassandra | The 'ipod' themes are designed to simulate an iPod on an iRiver H series. |
00:57:44 | Cassandra | Possibly we need to change the names. |
00:57:54 | linuxstb | Or just delete them..... |
00:57:56 | linuxstb | :) |
00:58:12 | fairway | yes but did anyone made already themes for the bigger ipod screens? |
00:58:20 | Cassandra | Nope. |
00:58:32 | damaki_ | linuxstb: then I'll go to bed later, need... help open source... :P |
00:58:32 | Cassandra | I would do, but I'm kind of busy with something else. |
00:59:30 | fairway | i think it cant be too hard |
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01:00:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CustomWPS |
01:00:14 | fairway | thanks |
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01:00:41 | BHSPitLappy | there aren't h300 themes already? |
01:01:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | There aren't any included with it yet. |
01:01:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of the h300 themes at misticriver require patches that haven't been incorporated yet (or have equivalent features incorporated) |
01:01:51 | fairway | Paul_The_Nerd: yes but can we find them on the net? |
01:02:26 | BHSPitLappy | at misticriver? |
01:02:32 | fairway | ok |
01:02:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a website for iRiver fans. But again, *most* if not all of those require patches not in CVS |
01:02:52 | Rob2222 | I think I have now a very _accurate_ rockbox runtime at H300s. 10,5h on a 1400mA stock battery. |
01:03:05 | Rob2222 | Prooved by 2 new H300. |
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01:03:36 | * | JdGordon doesnt see such a big deal about batt life.. as long as it lasts maybe 4h im good |
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01:03:49 | Rob2222 | More than one benchmarks made. And even benched without battery_bench plugin, same results |
01:04:00 | Rob2222 | :) |
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01:05:24 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
01:05:32 | BHSPitLappy | messing with making WPS files |
01:06:06 | BHSPitLappy | I used a 24bit bmp and the colors were all crazy, I used a 16bit one instead and it shows up as solid black |
01:06:12 | BHSPitLappy | any ideas? |
01:06:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should use 24 bit bitmaps. |
01:06:55 | BHSPitLappy | really? to use on a 16bpp screen? |
01:06:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
01:07:03 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
01:07:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | But... maybe an endian issue again? |
01:07:29 | LinusN | the bitmap loader doesn't yet support 8 and 16bit bmp's |
01:07:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: He tried 16 after the colors were horribly wrong on a 24, though. |
01:07:52 | elinenbe | LinusN: buy it now: $235 http://cgi.ebay.com/iRiver-H320-20-GB-MP3-PLAYER-FM-HARDDRIVE-COLOR-LCD_W0QQitemZ5860927951QQcategoryZ114623QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
01:07:54 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
01:08:09 | XavierGr | Rob2222: What's the H300 runtime on the default firmware? |
01:08:15 | BHSPitLappy | what's supposed to be a light grey to dark grey gradient, looks green and red and blue |
01:09:17 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: I only made 1 bench with default FW, yet. Was with my cheap 2200mA battery. Runned 21h. RB runtime with that battery was 12,5h. |
01:09:33 | Rob2222 | Same playlist, same volume, same MP3s |
01:09:58 | XavierGr | wow 9 hours difference? |
01:10:02 | Rob2222 | yep. |
01:10:13 | XavierGr | Major power leak, but where? |
01:10:25 | LinusN | XavierGr: the wps eats cpu |
01:10:53 | Rob2222 | LinusN: It isnt deactivated when screen is black, yet? |
01:10:58 | XavierGr | LinusN: So disabling the wps (in a custom build) shoud justify 9 hours? |
01:10:58 | LinusN | no |
01:11:08 | Rob2222 | will do? |
01:11:20 | LinusN | XavierGr: probably not all, no |
01:11:34 | XavierGr | any idea for the rest of it? |
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01:12:18 | XavierGr | I mean 2 hours decline is acceptable but 9 hours is too much |
01:12:28 | LinusN | XavierGr: not really, that was what i was investigating when i fried my h320 |
01:12:47 | XavierGr | :( |
01:13:16 | lostlogic | linuxstb: preglow: new version of the codec timer patch is posted on sf http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1418274&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
01:14:03 | Rob2222 | LinusN: Do you have other power consumption compares? I made mine as accurate as possible. |
01:14:34 | LinusN | Rob2222: no i don't |
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01:24:03 | linuxstb | damaki_: Thanks for hanging around, but I don't think I'll finish my changes tonight. But I'm pretty sure I know how to solve the problem now. |
01:25:42 | Rob2222 | but well, my only once made RB<=>IR compare isnt 100% perfect cause sthe battery started to rise its capacity a little. |
01:26:04 | Rob2222 | RB benches I have enough so far, I will make more IR benches. |
01:26:13 | damaki_ | right, then I'll surrender to my bed's call ;) |
01:26:26 | damaki_ | good night |
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01:31:20 | linuxstb | LinusN: I think there's a problem with the colour bmp reading function - it's not using the LCD_RGBPACK() macro, so won't work on the Nano and iPod Photo. |
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01:31:47 | LinusN | linuxstb: it isn't? |
01:32:18 | linuxstb | No, it seems to be doing the packing itself. |
01:32:26 | LinusN | ah, yes |
01:32:37 | LinusN | can you fix that? |
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01:32:59 | linuxstb | LinusN: I haven't got anything set up to test it with. |
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01:33:42 | linuxstb | But I could commit blindly..... |
01:34:34 | LinusN | you don't even have an ipod? |
01:34:58 | Rob2222 | I have some problems with the wiki. After preview and going back in my browser, my changes ar lost. :/ |
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01:35:16 | linuxstb | LinusN: I do, but no colour WPSs |
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01:36:18 | linuxstb | Anyway, I've fixed it, I can upload a patch if anyone can test it. |
01:36:26 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
01:37:11 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bmp.diff |
01:37:49 | LinusN | linuxstb: i just tried it in the sim and it works |
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01:38:32 | linuxstb | You mean you tried my patch 37 seconds after I uploaded it? |
01:38:41 | steveb | what are good linux tagging programs? anyone know? |
01:38:59 | LinusN | linuxstb: no, i fixed it myself in exactly the same way |
01:39:20 | LinusN | works on h300 target too |
01:39:33 | linuxstb | I say commit then. There's no reason it shouldn't work on the ipod. |
01:40:21 | LinusN | committed |
01:40:31 | linuxstb | thanks. |
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01:46:14 | ashridah | steveb: i've heard reasonable things about a program called 'picard' |
01:46:29 | * | steveb has a look |
01:46:49 | ashridah | at least, i think that's the name |
01:47:00 | steveb | rings a bell |
01:47:58 | steveb | oh its a music brainz thing |
01:48:42 | steveb | looks interesting |
01:48:55 | Cassandra | What's the Nano screen size? |
01:50:30 | Cassandra | Never mind. Found it. |
01:50:55 | midkay | 176x132 !!!!!!!!!! |
01:51:03 | Cassandra | Picard blows almost as badly as the other musicbrainz tagger. |
01:51:04 | midkay | i shall NOT never mind! |
01:51:10 | Cassandra | It' very much alpha code. |
01:51:18 | Cassandra | Pre-alpha even. |
01:52:11 | BHSPitLappy | don't listen to midkay, he's dead. |
01:52:23 | midkay | then how could i be talking, fool?! |
01:52:37 | midkay | my single cell grew to a multiquadrillion cell organism! |
01:52:41 | Cassandra | Ah, but aren't we all in a sense dead? |
01:52:49 | midkay | ah, genius, genius. |
01:53:46 | BHSPitLappy | LinusN: w00t |
01:56:48 | BHSPitLappy | anyone know how to set the background color for a wps? |
01:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can't yet. |
01:57:55 | BHSPitLappy | oh. |
01:58:10 | BHSPitLappy | so...draw a great big white bmp then? |
01:58:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if you did that, it'd draw over the text. |
01:58:38 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
01:58:49 | BHSPitLappy | you can't draw any text over bmp's? |
01:59:03 | LinusN | BHSPitLappy: no |
01:59:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what the transparent color is for. |
01:59:07 | BHSPitLappy | boo. |
01:59:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1397786&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
01:59:20 | LinusN | time to sleep now, nite all |
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02:00:07 | Rob2222 | I was free to update the Iriver Runtime page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
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02:03:37 | XavierGr | Rob: VBR? |
02:03:43 | XavierGr | 128 VBR? |
02:04:38 | Rob2222 | is it calles ABR? |
02:04:43 | Rob2222 | called |
02:04:57 | XavierGr | vbr = variable bitrate |
02:05:03 | XavierGr | cbr = constant bitrate |
02:05:11 | XavierGr | 128 is normally cbr |
02:05:22 | XavierGr | except if you changed it |
02:05:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: ABR = average bitrate |
02:06:10 | XavierGr | yes |
02:06:18 | Rob2222 | No, I have reencoded my MP3s to 128kbit variable/average bitrate |
02:06:34 | Rob2222 | Cause my 60GB disc was full. |
02:06:40 | XavierGr | wow |
02:06:48 | XavierGr | 128 vbr and full? |
02:07:02 | Rob2222 | now I have 5GB free again. :) |
02:07:15 | muesli__ | for the price of crappy q |
02:07:17 | muesli__ | :ooo |
02:07:36 | XavierGr | 128 cbr is a little crappy for my taste, imagine 128 vbr |
02:07:54 | Rob2222 | muesli__: When I am in the city I didnt hear any difference. |
02:08:10 | XavierGr | I use mostly 192 alt preset standard or 160 cbr |
02:08:30 | muesli__ | sure..but i wouldnt encode my music for any special occasion.. |
02:08:51 | Rob2222 | I have the original backups at my PC at home. |
02:08:52 | muesli__ | XavierGr yepp |
02:08:54 | paugh | Rob2222: did you decode then recode at the lower rate or did you encode from source? |
02:10:16 | Rob2222 | No I simply reencoded all MP3 with bitrates higher 130kbit. Yes I know that its quality overkill. But again, in my car or in the city with background noise I didn't hear the difference. |
02:10:38 | Rob2222 | And I still have the original files. |
02:10:41 | paugh | fair enough |
02:10:42 | paugh | :) |
02:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's one thing nice about Vorbis. If the encoder's friendly, it does bitrate stripping, doesn't it? |
02:11:50 | linuxstb | AFAIK, it's been planned since the start, but never implemented. |
02:11:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
02:11:57 | dpassen1 | bitrate peeling is a myth |
02:12:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sad |
02:12:21 | dpassen1 | Yes, it would be fantastic. |
02:12:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whatever happened to it? |
02:12:52 | dpassen1 | People have tried implementing it, and it always sounds much, much worse then a rerip. |
02:13:09 | dpassen1 | Psychoacoustics doesn't scale down well, I suppose. |
02:13:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
02:13:32 | linuxstb | How does lossy wavpack compare to other codecs? I rarely see it mentioned. |
02:13:49 | dpassen1 | It's great at very high bitrates (300+ kbps) |
02:13:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to remember someone having less than complimentary things to say about it. |
02:14:34 | dpassen1 | It uses no psychoacoustics |
02:16:42 | XavierGr | Rob: Do you keep your log files after the benchmark? (battery_bench.txt) |
02:16:46 | dpassen1 | Once again, an idea better in theory then in practice. |
02:22:20 | Cassandra | I still don't get why Rockbox takes way longer to install on the iPod than it does on the H140 |
02:22:58 | XavierGr | install you mean copy the new folder and binary? |
02:23:12 | Cassandra | Yep |
02:23:19 | linuxstb | Cassandra: As Paul_The_Nerd said, "disk mode" is much faster if you reboot into RetailOS. |
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02:23:52 | Cassandra | Is it possble for Rockbox to do that by default? |
02:24:15 | linuxstb | Yes, I wrote a patch to do that (Paul_The_Nerd runs it). But preglow didn't seem keen on committing it. |
02:24:29 | Cassandra | Hmmm. |
02:24:56 | Cassandra | Any idea why coot boting into USB mode doesn't work on the Nano? Hangs on the Rockbox USB screen |
02:25:02 | Cassandra | cold even |
02:25:05 | linuxstb | It's here http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usb2.diff |
02:25:36 | linuxstb | I haven't looked at that yet. It used to work, but suddenly stopped last week sometime. |
02:28:26 | Rob2222 | I am confused. http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?&p=370337 <= 30 minutes ago I measures the same 90V AC between my AC adapter plug and ground (power outlet). I checked that with 2 iriver AC adapters and a 3rd party 5V adapter. All had the same. Now I wanted to make another measuerment and the 90V AC agre gone. Only 5V AC now... ?! |
02:28:30 | Cassandra | Hmm. My colour bitmap doesn't seem to be loading. Do I need to save it in a special way? |
02:28:51 | Cassandra | And can I load 2 layer bitmaps at the same time? |
02:30:17 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: http://www.skyhoppel.de/rob/H300 |
02:30:45 | XavierGr | okay thanks. And be sure to keep them for a little while. |
02:30:50 | Rob2222 | sure |
02:30:58 | XavierGr | Have to sleep now. Later all. |
02:31:14 | Cassandra | Oh,another thing. I really dislikethe way the menu navigation keys are mapped to ff and rw. ay too easy to accidentally jog the jog wheel. |
02:31:59 | Cassandra | Using menu and select would work better, and be consistent with both the Apple firmware and the Archos player. |
02:33:13 | Rob2222 | I dont like the ipod wheel at all. ^^ |
02:33:18 | Cassandra | Woo! Colour WPS! |
02:33:26 | linuxstb | Cassandra: I could be convinced about that. I am used to the iriver way of using left/right to navigate the menus though. |
02:33:28 | Cassandra | I am teh R3x0r! |
02:33:31 | Cassandra | Or something. |
02:34:02 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I think the thing about accidentally jogging the jog wheel is the most convincing argument. |
02:34:10 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: I don't care too strongly, but yeah, that happens |
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02:34:33 | linuxstb | It never happens to me. Maybe it's more of a Nano issue. |
02:34:47 | BHSPitLappy | could be. |
02:34:57 | Cassandra | Could be. The Nano controls are smaller, of course. |
02:35:09 | BHSPitLappy | doesn't really happen to me too often, but it's kind of a design matter anyway |
02:35:10 | linuxstb | Which would make it more sensitive to small movements. |
02:35:30 | BHSPitLappy | the wheel buttons weren't made to be used in a scrolling scenario |
02:35:43 | linuxstb | But the problem we have is that "MENU" should be used to bring up the menu. |
02:35:50 | linuxstb | So what do you do in the file browser? |
02:36:14 | linuxstb | Unless of course we don't map the MENU key to the menu... |
02:36:17 | BHSPitLappy | ... what about it? |
02:36:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, what about the [Select] and >>| both being valid to choose menu entries? |
02:36:23 | BHSPitLappy | I don't see what you're saying |
02:36:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, using |<< for back isn't really affected by jogging the wheel anyway. |
02:36:43 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
02:36:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, Menu stays how it is. |
02:37:22 | Cassandra | I think we go for "long press on Menu to bring up menu". |
02:40:19 | BHSPitLappy | nah... |
02:41:15 | BHSPitLappy | the dilemma is, in most cases, we want MENU to go back a level, but it's initial use causes it to go FORWARD in the sense of launching the menu... |
02:41:47 | BHSPitLappy | perhaps menu would just toggle between the menu root and filebrower, once you were at that level |
02:42:01 | Rob2222 | iPod button mapping is a challenge... ^^ |
02:42:13 | Cassandra | Possibly we make long press on Select bring up the initial menu. |
02:42:25 | Cassandra | Wouldn't be the first time we've changed the function of a button. |
02:42:34 | * | BHSPitLappy just plain doesn't like long press |
02:42:41 | Cassandra | I'm not so keen on overloading keymappings. We're kind of short on them. |
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02:42:59 | Rob2222 | long press for menu to bring up? mhh |
02:42:59 | Cassandra | It's less than ideal I know, but we aren't going to be able to avoid it. |
02:43:18 | BHSPitLappy | what about my idea? |
02:44:10 | Rob2222 | I only want to have the iPod Video display in my H360 then I would be very happy. :) |
02:44:15 | BHSPitLappy | filebrowser >menu> menu root >select> submenu >menu> menu root again >menu> filebrowser again |
02:44:25 | Rob2222 | And maybe iPod size. ^^ |
02:44:40 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitLappy: How do you move back a level in the file browser? |
02:45:01 | BHSPitLappy | ....... prev? :D |
02:45:38 | Rob2222 | select forward and menu back? |
02:45:41 | linuxstb_ | Someone ask Apple to retrospectively add 4 more buttons to every ipod.... |
02:45:46 | BHSPitLappy | ha |
02:47:03 | BHSPitLappy | "RECALL NOTICE: due to an unsatisfactory design for alternative iPod software, all units are being recalled for the installation of additional buttons. click here for more information." |
02:47:17 | Rob2222 | lol |
02:47:20 | linuxstb_ | Sounds perfect. |
02:49:29 | JdGordon41 | haha |
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02:54:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, with a very small change, the "Color settings 2" patch works on iPods, though it's kinda a roundabout way to go at things. |
02:54:47 | midkay | hahaha, BHSPitLappy |
02:55:17 | Rob2222 | damn 3am |
02:55:25 | Rob2222 | good night all |
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03:11:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Did you say earlier you'd created a color Nano wps? |
03:18:42 | BHSPitLappy | wps scripting is overly complex :( |
03:23:19 | BHSPitLappy | so... bitmapped wps's are really only good for one size of screen, right |
03:24:02 | midkay | hm, wondering if anyone here knows of any kind of app that would let you view statistics for a directory, more specifically i want to kind of index the files in there and see a list of most commonly used filenames? |
03:25:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Basically, yes. |
03:25:51 | BHSPitLappy | k |
03:26:01 | BHSPitLappy | then no compat worries :P |
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03:59:52 | Midgey34 | oh noes! an error |
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04:00:16 | Midgey34 | 10 points for linuxstb |
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04:13:09 | Cassandra | Anyone here know about the colour WPS patch? |
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04:14:13 | Cassandra | I have a colour WPS that's causing Rockbox to crash. |
04:14:41 | Cassandra | I suspect it may be a full buffer problem, since it was working till I added a few more images. |
04:14:53 | Cassandra | And I can't see anything different about those images. |
04:16:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you try removing an equal number of earlier images? Or better yet, an equal or greater amount in bytes of earlier images? |
04:18:12 | Cassandra | Its easier just to bump up the buffer size and se if that fixes it. |
04:18:26 | Cassandra | At least it is if you have a compilation environment. |
04:19:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that a subtle "you don't, by chance, have one?" style question? |
04:20:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or more of a "so that's what I'll be doing" style statement? |
04:20:59 | Cassandra | I'm away from my development PC. ;) |
04:21:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you by chance know where the limit's set? |
04:21:23 | Cassandra | Although I could do it remotely I suppose. |
04:21:42 | Cassandra | somewhere in gwps_somethingorother.c |
04:21:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gimme a minute then |
04:22:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | gwps_common.c? |
04:23:14 | Cassandra | I think so. |
04:23:35 | Cassandra | Ill find it in a mo when my source tree updates. |
04:25:56 | Cassandra | gwps.h |
04:26:02 | Cassandra | Hah, thought so. |
04:26:18 | Cassandra | No-one's multiplied the buffer by bit depth. |
04:26:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was *just* about to say the same thing. Heh |
04:26:57 | * | Cassandra wanders what #define contains the appropriate magic number. |
04:27:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which appropriate magic number? |
04:27:46 | Cassandra | LCD_DEPTH,I believe |
04:28:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno |
04:28:18 | Cassandra | Although if the image is stored internally as a 24 bit bmp, maybe not. |
04:28:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | LCD_DEPTH on color targets should be 16 |
04:28:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | The BMPs are 24, right? |
04:28:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
04:28:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, they make an assumption that the average bitmap will be no more than 1/10 the total area of the screen? |
04:28:56 | Cassandra | Need to have a look at the colour bmp loader. |
04:30:46 | Cassandra | paul: No - the assumption is that the total number of bits is less than 1/10 of the 52 images. |
04:31:07 | Cassandra | Bear in mind that most of the bmps are only a few pixels across/down. |
04:31:37 | Midgey34 | hmm, 1400 lines of code doesn't seem too bad for blackjack right? |
04:31:38 | * | Cassandra hopes the bitmaps are converted internally to LCD form before being stored. |
04:31:49 | Cassandra | Waste of memory to save the whole lot. |
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04:36:10 | Cassandra- | Bad internet. No biscuit. |
04:36:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | All things considered, perhaps the biscuits are the problem? |
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04:46:20 | Cassandra- | Agh. The bmp loader is hurting my head. |
04:46:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | :( |
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04:52:52 | Cassandra | I'm just going to make the buffer 24bpp if LCD_DEPTH = 16 I think. |
04:53:02 | Cassandra | If it's inefficient, someone can fix it later. |
04:57:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm surprised that other WPSes didn't run into the limit already, actually. Like, with all the experimenters on MisticRiver. |
04:58:04 | Cassandra | The 1 in 10 pixel limit i obviously quite generous. |
04:59:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very generous, but when you go from 1bpp to 16 or 24, it seems like it'd become pretty easy to get near the limit. |
04:59:15 | Cassandra | You know. I love technology. I love the fact that I'm sitting about 200 miles from my home workstation and using it to build Rockbox. |
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05:08:48 | JdGordon | Cassandra: tech has far more annoyances than benefits :p |
05:13:23 | Midgey34 | gah stupid senior quotes... I'm awful at this |
05:15:49 | Midgey34 | in a less personal matter, I've posted a WIP blackjack plugin at MR |
05:15:50 | Midgey34 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36272 |
05:16:20 | Midgey34 | I'd especially appreciate iPod users opinions; the key definitions could use a lot of work |
05:16:30 | Midgey34 | they seem awkward to me |
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05:19:36 | Jungti1234 | hello |
05:20:06 | JdGordon | hey Jungti1234 |
05:20:12 | Jungti1234 | hi JdGordon |
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06:57:57 | Jungti1234 | bad guys... http://club.iriver.co.kr/digital/bbs_free_view.asp?free_board_idx=231699 |
06:58:29 | lostlogic | wow, just by rearranging some code in pcmbuf.c, I improved my new version's performance by several boost percent. Of course skipping is still totally broken |
06:59:53 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: what's bad? |
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07:00:48 | Jungti1234 | lostlogic: They attack me |
07:01:08 | Jungti1234 | Elementary students. |
07:01:08 | lostlogic | sadness... can't talk, must sleep. good luck :) |
07:01:13 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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07:39:46 | Bg3r | morning :) |
07:40:26 | Membrillo | afternoon :) |
07:41:03 | Bg3r | ;) someone should say now evening and the day will pass quickly :P |
07:41:19 | Membrillo | hehehe |
07:41:46 | Membrillo | well, its a bit of a grey area here... 5:41pm. is that afternoon or evening? its still light |
07:42:21 | ashridah | Membrillo: it's just time to toss another snag on the barbie |
07:42:27 | Bg3r | :P |
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07:45:58 | Membrillo | watch it boy :P |
07:46:45 | ashridah | what? barbeques are a part of our national tradition :) |
07:47:05 | ashridah | it's not like we call them weiners or anything :) |
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07:53:47 | Membrillo | weeeeeiner dogs |
07:55:32 | BHSPitLappy | hmm this wps is acting strangely |
07:59:41 | Membrillo | ashridah: i didnt know you were australian.... |
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08:09:52 | Membrillo | BHSPitLappy: whats it doing? can you make a screendump? |
08:15:16 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: i have now done the alignment fix patch for dircache. Would you like to try it? :) |
08:15:19 | Slasheri | or preglow.. |
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08:20:30 | lamed | hi, guys. how do I tell make install to only build, say the plugins folder? |
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08:21:41 | B4gder | you can't |
08:22:24 | amiconn | mooning |
08:22:47 | Jungti1234 | hey |
08:22:49 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/a_db02.gif |
08:23:08 | Jungti1234 | I want it. |
08:23:16 | Jungti1234 | What should I edit? |
08:23:20 | amiconn | linuxstb_: There's one RED in the build table... |
08:23:54 | B4gder | 10 points for Dave |
08:24:21 | amiconn | Gah, wiki spam :( |
08:24:43 | B4gder | oh that guy again... |
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08:25:56 | Slasheri | there really should be an image authentication when registering to wiki to avoid spambots.. |
08:26:29 | Jungti1234 | hello? |
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08:26:47 | B4gder | Slasheri: these aren't bots |
08:26:56 | Slasheri | oh, that's weird |
08:27:18 | B4gder | why? |
08:28:17 | Slasheri | that some guys really have the time to abuse wikis by intention.. |
08:29:08 | B4gder | well of course I can't know this for sure |
08:29:18 | B4gder | but I don't see any evidence of these being bots |
08:31:36 | lamed | amiconn "<amiconn> linuxstb_: There's one RED in the build table..." Thank YOU! now I got what "Red Builds" mean!!! |
08:31:50 | B4gder | hahaha |
08:32:05 | B4gder | darn, the secret leaked |
08:32:48 | lamed | hehe :) b4gder: what _can_ I control over compilation with make? |
08:33:16 | B4gder | why don't you tell us what you want intead |
08:33:37 | BHSPitLappy | hi preglow |
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08:34:20 | BHSPitLappy | http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6203/dump0601300132150mv.png |
08:34:28 | BHSPitLappy | ^ WIP, just started |
08:34:39 | lamed | I'm building brickmania for h100. I'm trying to put it in the sources file but A. I'm not sure what's going on in there and B. I'm waiting for a full setup in my archos directory for nothing. (p3 850mhz, that takes a while) |
08:35:06 | JdGordon | BHSPitLappy: needs colour :p |
08:35:17 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: talk to devs about that :P |
08:35:54 | lamed | (forget the "install" in my first question. how do I make just the plugins object files?) |
08:36:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: There's a patch that lets you set FG/BG color for the text. |
08:36:54 | JdGordon | lamed: run make then the compiled .rock should be in the apps/plugins/ folder |
08:36:57 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: doesn't really do anygood, I'm making this more for others than myself |
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08:37:31 | lamed | jdgordon: i'm trying to avoid make the whole thing, and learn something new |
08:37:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it seems unlikely to me that the final implementation will be very much like this patch. |
08:38:14 | JdGordon | lamed: i dont tihnk there is a way to just compile 1 .c at a time.. doing make only recompiles the stuff that need recompnig, so shouldnt take long after the first go |
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08:38:46 | Alfafa | How do I make a bug report for iriver h-120? |
08:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there's a bugs section, and a forum. But you could start by just saying what's wrong, as maybe someone here knows a solution. :) |
08:40:04 | lamed | jd: what pc are you using? |
08:40:07 | Alfafa | I tried the rockbox firmware for the first time yesterday. It is quite good I think ;-) |
08:40:23 | JdGordon | lamed: POS celly 2.4, 512, winxp |
08:40:40 | Alfafa | The problem is that there seems to be reintroduced a bug which also was in earlier versions of the original firmware |
08:41:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | What bug, specifically? |
08:41:06 | lamed | jd: well, it shouldn't take a long time on _your_ pc... lol |
08:41:17 | JdGordon | haha.. what u got?> |
08:41:19 | Alfafa | The problem is when using the remote. There seems to be some background noise(not very loud) especially when it reads from the disk |
08:41:54 | * | lamed thinks Alfafa had a remote ticking problem using iriver fw !!! |
08:42:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alfafa: That's actually a flaw in the hardware rather than software. |
08:42:14 | Alfafa | I bugreported it back then to iriver, and they somehow fixed. As far as I remember they changed the way the LCD on the remote was controlled or something |
08:42:30 | lamed | jd: p3 850 mhz. something like 250 mb of ram |
08:42:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alfafa: If you go into the menu, choose General Settings, then Display, Remote-LCD Settings, there is a "Reduce Ticking" option at the bottom |
08:42:42 | JdGordon | how long does a build take? 3min? |
08:42:56 | lamed | HEHEHEEE I wish |
08:42:59 | Alfafa | Paul_The_Nerd: Sorry. Haven't seen that. Thanks I will try that |
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08:43:28 | Alfafa | But rockbox is nice :-) |
08:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed it is. |
08:44:56 | BHSPitLappy | nice like apple juice. |
08:45:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gah. Why do people give you *replacement* files, instead of patches? |
08:45:06 | JdGordon | and free like beer :D |
08:45:52 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: because their modification is better than anyone else's? |
08:45:56 | BHSPitLappy | :D |
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08:46:33 | lamed | because they haven't read the how to work with patches manual? |
08:46:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very possible, I suppose. |
08:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was trying the blackjack game, and didn't realize it intended to overwrite my SOURCES file for the bitmaps. |
08:47:12 | lamed | gah.how do i tell CVS to stop using the older version I wished it to retrive before..? |
08:47:42 | B4gder | -A |
08:47:45 | lamed | tt |
08:47:52 | B4gder | update -A that is |
08:48:10 | lamed | yeah worked |
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08:51:47 | lamed | i'm trying to figure out plugins/SOURCES file. how come sudoku.c is only under ipod Nano #if block, but it compiles for my h1x0 too? |
08:53:57 | Membrillo | i think its to do with ipod nano and h100 using the same defines or something |
08:54:17 | * | Membrillo has very limited C knowledge |
08:54:25 | lamed | no way, it's under | #if (LCD_WIDTH >= 220) && (LCD_HEIGHT >= 176) && (LCD_DEPTH == 16)| as well. |
08:55:08 | B4gder | #if (LCD_WIDTH != 176) |
08:55:08 | B4gder | sudoku.c |
08:55:18 | B4gder | /* These need adjusting for the Nano's screen */ |
08:55:25 | B4gder | now what can that mean? |
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08:56:50 | lamed | whoops. I was wrong. it's just under | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP | |
08:57:21 | lamed | b4gder: was that a question or something to direct me in the right way? |
08:57:37 | B4gder | I find that snippet very clear |
08:57:41 | Membrillo | rhetorical question :P |
08:57:51 | B4gder | if the lcd width is not 176, then sudoku is built |
08:58:01 | B4gder | and that is beacuse it hasn't been adjusted |
08:58:14 | B4gder | all that is more or less in plain english |
08:59:18 | BHSPitLappy | but it builds, doesn't it? |
08:59:31 | B4gder | not if the lcd width is 176 |
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08:59:55 | BHSPitLappy | whoops, sokoban is what was on my mind |
08:59:56 | lamed | b4gder: yes, you're right. I just thought it's under | #if (LCD_WIDTH >= 220) && (LCD_HEIGHT >= 176) && (LCD_DEPTH == 16)| as well, i've missed the endif |
08:59:59 | BHSPitLappy | damn similar names. |
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09:01:06 | B4gder | I read the SOURCES file |
09:01:23 | B4gder | around sudoku.c |
09:03:13 | lamed | don't you think it will be easier to read if all | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP | plugins will be grouped under it, and after them all the other #ifdefs ? |
09:03:57 | B4gder | it might, yes |
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09:04:16 | lamed | damn. my computer is so slow. |
09:04:27 | B4gder | and you use cygwin? |
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09:06:48 | Bg3r | is there any possibility to make the flashes output sound under linux ? |
09:07:10 | lamed | yeah :((( I've installed ubuntu linux but after spending a few days _trying_ to set up an pptp connection unsuccessfully i gave up :( |
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09:07:51 | Bg3r | flashes = shockwave flash |
09:08:03 | B4gder | I believe they sound at my place |
09:08:07 | B4gder | but I'm not sure |
09:08:13 | B4gder | I *hate* web pages with sound |
09:08:19 | ashridah | Bg3r: that just works for me. |
09:08:46 | Bg3r | ashridah ok, but what does the swf plugin use for outputting sound ? |
09:09:04 | Membrillo | i hate anything that makes sound without me telling it to |
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09:10:08 | ashridah | Bg3r: uh. same thing as most older apps. oss. possibly ESD if it's around |
09:10:12 | ashridah | although it should work without |
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09:10:59 | Bg3r | ah, so no way for arts ... |
09:11:20 | ashridah | perhaps with artsdsp |
09:11:43 | Bg3r | so u tell me to run firefox with artsdsp ? :) |
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09:13:52 | ashridah | i have no idea |
09:13:59 | ashridah | i use a sound card with hardware mixing |
09:14:22 | B4gder | feh |
09:14:30 | B4gder | CTCP sound is the invention of the devil |
09:14:31 | BHSPitLappy | wth? |
09:14:33 | B4gder | == mirc |
09:14:56 | BHSPitLappy | did that actually output sound to people? |
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09:15:10 | Membrillo | idk. i dont have my headphones on |
09:15:12 | amiconn | Not here |
09:15:26 | Membrillo | #rockbox sound |
09:15:30 | Membrillo | nope doesnt work |
09:16:06 | midkay | thank you for ctcp sounding me. |
09:16:06 | midkay | :) |
09:16:17 | Membrillo | whats ctcp? |
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09:16:29 | B4gder | Client to client protocol |
09:16:37 | B4gder | stuff in IRC |
09:16:39 | Membrillo | ah |
09:17:13 | amiconn | I bet not many clients support ctcp sound |
09:17:29 | Membrillo | im on mIRC here |
09:17:32 | midkay | didn't hear anything.. then again i didn't have speakers on... |
09:17:37 | amiconn | (HydraIRC obviously doesn't) |
09:18:03 | B4gder | but it is so stupidly done |
09:18:09 | B4gder | saying a file name to play |
09:18:26 | Membrillo | you could easily replace it? |
09:19:02 | B4gder | yes |
09:20:50 | BHSPitLappy | amicon - using HydraIRC v0.3.148 :D |
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09:43:25 | B4gder | hm |
09:43:28 | B4gder | no ipod dailies? |
09:44:12 | lamed | where do I upload files quickly...? |
09:45:11 | * | B4gder detects the problem |
09:45:53 | LinusN | B4gder: i wish you could detect the problem with the daily installer binaries as well |
09:46:14 | B4gder | those are evil |
09:48:23 | lamed | guys, can anyone adress me where could i upload some files, so i could put a comment in a sourceforge patch instead of making a new one? |
09:48:43 | BHSPitLappy | huh, I just downloaded 1-30 for the nano |
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09:48:51 | BHSPitLappy | if that's not a daily then I dunno what is |
09:48:58 | B4gder | today is 31st |
09:49:13 | B4gder | over here at least ;-) |
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09:49:55 | BHSPitLappy | so the 1-30 build only goes through the 29th's changes? |
09:50:19 | B4gder | the "1-30" build has all changes that was done when that package was made |
09:50:25 | B4gder | early morning our time |
09:50:29 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
09:50:57 | B4gder | except for yday's build, since I did that manually |
09:51:04 | B4gder | at a somewhat later time |
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09:54:01 | B4gder | I've been pondering on separating the daily builds page from the cvs builds |
09:58:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, what is the argument against doing it? |
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10:00:50 | JdGordon | hey, i had a crazy idea for rb, but i have no idea where to start so ill just put it here and hope some1 understands it... |
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10:01:59 | JdGordon | would it be possible to pause a plugin and return to the wps temporarily?? i noticed that the only button the h300 can do while the hold switch is on is rec and a.b, so that would be a good task switcher key... |
10:03:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know if it's been tested, but for the logs, it seems like USB charging *is* working inside of Rockbox on iPod. |
10:03:28 | Membrillo | JdGordon: i dont know how you would do this but damn would it be useful |
10:03:50 | JdGordon | i thought of it while playing breakout and coming up to the end of the playlist |
10:04:13 | JdGordon | LinusN: would it be theoretically possible? |
10:05:32 | LinusN | theoretically yes, practically a nightmare :-) |
10:07:04 | Membrillo | a lot of things are like that |
10:08:15 | Membrillo | maybe not a complete task switch, but how hard would it be to allow next\last track and vol+-? |
10:08:54 | JdGordon | na, access to the whole system, cept the plugins dir |
10:09:06 | JdGordon | plugin menu i mean |
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10:17:41 | LinusN | JdGordon: we are discussing a way of creating a common plugin function for controlling playback |
10:18:36 | JdGordon | hmm... but more than that... ideally id like to be able to redo my playlist, and fiddle with settings and everything while breakout is paused in the background.. |
10:18:45 | Membrillo | LinusN: terrific! this is the one feature i feel i would need of all of them |
10:18:49 | JdGordon | but do understand the bitch it would be to accomplish |
10:19:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It'd probably be much easier to just have brickmania implement a save feature like several of the other plugins have. |
10:19:45 | JdGordon | true.. but that was just an example |
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10:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, then, the other way Rockbox would be disallowing plugins the use of certain buttons. |
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10:22:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whereas this way, the plugin creator decides whether they want their plugin suspendable (or an equivalent thereof) and how the user may go about doing so. |
10:22:46 | JdGordon | well.. if hold is on then the rec/a.b button can trigger a button press but is dropped by rb... |
10:23:04 | JdGordon | (im talking h300.. dunno bout other targets) |
10:23:19 | JdGordon | just a dream... |
10:23:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nothin' wrong with dreaming. It just seems like one that might be better implemented by plugin writers. |
10:24:34 | LinusN | the idea would be to create a plugin library function, for example playback_control(), which would be like a mini-wps |
10:24:57 | LinusN | and the plugin author decides how to access it from his plugin |
10:25:49 | LinusN | or plainly reserving an odd key combination that all plugins must use, for example Play+Navi or something |
10:26:02 | LinusN | and the plugin default handler would handle it |
10:26:38 | JdGordon | noo.. you couldnt reserver a key combo... there arnt enough keys to begin with.. |
10:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh. I'm gonna be wandering around modifying all the existing plugins to let you control playback via the remote, then. :-P |
10:29:07 | Membrillo | I think a standard key combination would be wise. how many plugins do we have these days? if we leave it up to the plugin devs they could well just make it what they want and you would have to remember the different combination for each different plugin |
10:29:30 | B4gder | we have to allow the plugins to do such things |
10:29:42 | B4gder | otherwise we limit the freedom to do things |
10:29:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could have a default behaviour, but I think that the plugin author should be able to decide to override it, if they need those keys. |
10:29:53 | B4gder | right |
10:29:56 | B4gder | that's a good idea |
10:30:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way, if the plugin author forgets to bother with choosing keys to control playback or whatever, in most cases it'll still be there anyway. |
10:30:48 | Membrillo | but then your going to get a billion people going "why can't i jump to WPS in blahblah plugin?!!?!?" |
10:31:15 | B4gder | people will always whine, there's nothing we can do about that ;-) |
10:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, are there any targets yet in which the hold switch is not dealt with in the software? |
10:31:50 | Membrillo | we can reduce it :P i mean what plugins use play+record |
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10:32:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, the iPod already has very few buttons. |
10:32:10 | B4gder | well, not all platforms _have_ a play+record |
10:32:14 | Membrillo | good point |
10:32:28 | Membrillo | im just looking at my h300 in front of me and typing ;) |
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10:32:59 | tucoz | Hi, why not introduce a plugin menu? This could be accessed by a pre defined key-press and access to the above mentioned feature could be called from the menu. |
10:33:14 | JdGordon | this is what we're talking bout |
10:33:24 | preglow | :/ |
10:33:30 | tucoz | Oh, sorry. I just read about different key presses. |
10:33:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: ? |
10:36:13 | preglow | this is going to be a lousy day |
10:36:14 | preglow | i can feel it |
10:37:16 | Membrillo | hey. dont you talk about a lousy day. i had to go back to school after 9 weeks of holidays today :P |
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10:37:44 | JdGordon | HAHHAHAHA |
10:37:49 | JdGordon | poor bugger |
10:38:09 | JdGordon | i beat you all tho.. ive been up since 5am (15hours and couting) |
10:38:19 | Membrillo | nasty... |
10:38:54 | Membrillo | the other day i was sitting watching a dvd and i was like "wow, i havent eaten in 36 hours". |
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10:39:37 | Membrillo | cant say ive ever said that to myself before. thats what holidays will do to you :) |
10:39:47 | JdGordon | thats terrible |
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10:41:17 | stamppot | Slasheri: soo... tagcache? :-) |
10:42:12 | Membrillo | does the h300 original firmware give preference to songs with higher playcounts in shuffle mode? |
10:43:07 | * | linuxstb_ makes an oops commit |
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10:43:27 | LinusN | linuxstb: that's my job :-) |
10:43:31 | * | B4gder hands linuxstb 10 points |
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10:44:00 | linuxstb | LinusN: Well, you haven't done one for a while... |
10:44:14 | B4gder | lazy bastard! |
10:44:18 | * | B4gder runs |
10:44:20 | * | LinusN likes the blackjack plugin on mr |
10:44:35 | B4gder | yeps, that looks nice |
10:44:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Works nice too. :-P |
10:44:47 | LinusN | and the code is goodlooking too |
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10:44:51 | B4gder | good to see it being multi-platform from the start |
10:45:00 | LinusN | in fact, i don't have any complaints so far |
10:45:06 | linuxstb | Do we know the author? |
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10:45:18 | Slasheri | stamppot: when i have some time for it... :) |
10:45:26 | LinusN | Tom Ross |
10:45:54 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hi, would you like the dircache? |
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10:46:05 | Membrillo | i hate people with first names as surnames :P |
10:46:24 | linuxstb | Slasheri: It would make all my dreams come true :) |
10:46:25 | LinusN | Slasheri: the dir cache event handling bug struck again |
10:46:51 | LinusN | it seemsit doesn't handle SYS_ events correctly |
10:47:07 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Do you have a patch for me? |
10:48:10 | preglow | can anyone tell me what about the ipod's sound sucks? |
10:48:16 | preglow | i think it sounds completely decent |
10:48:26 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: (or any other ipod owners here) have you ever had headphone problems? |
10:48:41 | BHSPitLappy | e.g. the famous right earbud crackle/failure |
10:49:03 | BHSPitLappy | preglow: sounds great to me |
10:49:40 | preglow | it's just as loud as the h120 |
10:49:43 | preglow | even for big headphones |
10:49:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's louder than the h120 |
10:49:54 | preglow | so i bet the amp is rated the same |
10:49:59 | Membrillo | BHSPitLappy: ive only had problems with the white earbuds dying completely |
10:50:09 | preglow | my white earbuds are broken |
10:50:10 | Membrillo | they just crackled out completely |
10:50:19 | preglow | crackle at high volume |
10:50:21 | preglow | completely unusable |
10:50:31 | Membrillo | preglow: very common problem i think |
10:50:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't used mine. I put them in my ears, and realized they weren't at all comfortable. |
10:50:37 | preglow | and, better yet, they're the only ones i have |
10:50:38 | Membrillo | theyre very very dodgy buds |
10:50:39 | BHSPitLappy | Membrillo: there's a large base of users whose headphones have been getting killed (right earbud) by the 5G |
10:50:48 | BHSPitLappy | and not just the stock headphones, expensive ones |
10:50:55 | preglow | hah, right earbud was the first to go for me as well |
10:50:59 | BHSPitLappy | my right earbud started to crackle today :( |
10:51:01 | Membrillo | BHSPitLappy: really? havent heard of that |
10:51:07 | BHSPitLappy | and I have a nano! |
10:51:15 | preglow | but i only used them on my h120 :/ |
10:51:20 | Membrillo | i dont use my ipod really. i lend it to a friend most of the time and use it for video on car trips |
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10:51:29 | Membrillo | maybe ill use cheap headphones with the ipod now.... |
10:51:38 | Membrillo | i have a g5 |
10:51:43 | preglow | i don't see how an ipod can possible destroy headphones |
10:51:48 | preglow | i think this has been blown up somewhat |
10:51:48 | stamppot | membrillo: so whats the use of buying one then in the first place? :) |
10:52:40 | Membrillo | i bought an ipod 4g, the screen shattered, i bought an h320, my friends house got robbed with the ipod inside, ipod got stolen, got an ipod video back on insurance |
10:52:50 | Membrillo | i dont use the ipod video |
10:52:54 | linuxstb_ | The only unusual thing I can think of is that the ipod's headphone socket has a third ring with a video output. |
10:53:03 | BHSPitLappy | not the nano |
10:53:03 | Membrillo | so i lend it to the friend as a thank you for getting it stolen |
10:53:06 | stamppot | slasheri: no worries. I know what its like... If I had time to spare, I would have volunteered to help you out. But I've got a kid scuttling around and another one on the rise, so... |
10:53:38 | stamppot | membrillo: :) |
10:53:43 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitLappy: Are you sure? Why wouldn't apple wire it up on the Nano? |
10:53:58 | BHSPitLappy | why would they? |
10:53:59 | * | Membrillo thinks all that the black jack plugin just needs to remember your last bet |
10:54:08 | stamppot | The last line without context is a nice one: "So i lend it to a friend for getting it stolen..... :-)" |
10:54:12 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitLappy: The same reason they have on the other ipods. |
10:54:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Apple has said the Nano can't be used to display photos on TVs with the output set for the Color/Photo ipod. |
10:54:32 | Membrillo | stamppot: hehehe yeah |
10:54:32 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb_: why would the connector have the third ring on non-av-out-enabled ipods |
10:54:40 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes, just a moment and i put it on web |
10:54:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though that doesn't mean it won't, one day. |
10:54:55 | Slasheri | LinusN: yep, i saw that also.. i will figure a way to fix that soon |
10:55:00 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitLappy: OK, sorry. I just assumed the Nano had video-out capabilities as well. Seems it doesn't. |
10:55:13 | BHSPitLappy | nano's pretty much empty :P |
10:55:21 | BHSPitLappy | no recording, no av-out |
10:55:56 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, or i try dcc first if that works |
10:56:06 | BHSPitLappy | I wonder if linux will figure out a software-based analog video-out driver someday :P XD |
10:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: It's not *definite* that it won't be able to record, I thought. |
10:56:33 | BHSPitLappy | it just plain doesn't have the hardware |
10:56:40 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: good, seemed to work fine. i will then commit it if that works :) |
10:56:49 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Yes, testing now. Thanks. |
10:57:30 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Maybe that define should be something like ROCKBOX_STRICT_ALIGN |
10:57:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I thought it could potentially record via the serial using the connector? |
10:57:46 | * | Membrillo just found that you can't actually lose on blackjack. Membrillo just beat the computers 17 with a 12 |
10:58:01 | * | BHSPitLappy shrugs |
10:58:05 | amiconn | A general method to intercept plugins will be a real nightmare imho |
10:58:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: I can lose plenty.... |
10:58:18 | amiconn | Some plugins do stuff that can't be easily intercepted |
10:58:23 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: if they prove me wrong, come back and laugh at me... I won't care, I'll be too busy recording crap then :) |
10:58:23 | amiconn | ...e.g. grayscale |
10:59:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I have an iHP-120 anyway. It's not of any concern to me, in the end. |
10:59:18 | BHSPitLappy | heh. |
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11:00:10 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hmm, true |
11:00:13 | Slasheri | that sounds better |
11:00:35 | * | BHSPitLappy Human - Metallica - 128kbps - iPod Nano - Rockbox! |
11:00:53 | BHSPitLappy | (AAC, no studder) |
11:01:06 | LinusN | amiconn: then those plugins would not call the default handler, but handle the key combo explicitly |
11:01:17 | LinusN | amiconn: i can't see the "nightmare" in that |
11:02:18 | ashridah | that sounds about right to me. make it *easy* for plugins to do the default action, but if they don't explicitly do it, then you don't second guess them |
11:02:42 | Membrillo | what do people advise i do in this sitch. I'm halfway through listening to an album, i want to change albums after the song im currently listening to has finished. so i want to play a different folder once this song has ended and have that new album as the only album in the playlist. is there a way to do this other than wait till the end of the song and create a new playlist? |
11:03:10 | LinusN | if a plugin that doesn't handle the key combo, the default handler will handle it |
11:03:16 | LinusN | s/that// |
11:03:28 | ashridah | Membrillo: you can add stuff to the playlist as 'next' |
11:03:44 | Bg3r | Membrillo hold on the navi button |
11:04:03 | Membrillo | yeah, but then my playlist has the new album in the middle of the old album. i want to start listening to the new album on repeat. |
11:04:09 | LinusN | so now we need a plugin_wps() plugin library function |
11:04:17 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Wow.... |
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11:04:30 | Bg3r | Membrillo go the the new album's folder, hold navi on it ... playlist->insert last |
11:04:50 | ashridah | Bg3r: he wants to wipe out the remaining entries in the playlist first |
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11:05:09 | ashridah | so it ONLY plays the new album, and then stops |
11:05:29 | Membrillo | well, only plays the new album on repeat |
11:05:31 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: dircache seems to be working perfectly. And it took less than a second to build it - the debug screen says "Scanning tool: 0s". |
11:05:38 | Membrillo | i want to change albums and listen to the new one on repeat |
11:05:42 | Membrillo | im sick of the old one |
11:05:45 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: huh, that's nice :D |
11:05:48 | Membrillo | but i want to listen to the rest of the current song |
11:06:00 | Slasheri | then it must have a really fast disk.. |
11:06:33 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: i will just commit that then |
11:06:34 | linuxstb_ | I don't have _that_ many files on it. Let me just count them. |
11:06:44 | Membrillo | no solution other than wait till the end of the song and select the new one? |
11:06:55 | dwihno | Is there a C call to execute a program and then return? |
11:07:12 | ashridah | Membrillo: i just don't know how to delete selected entries from the playlist. |
11:07:12 | LinusN | dwihno: that depends on the OS |
11:07:15 | amiconn | LinusN: So how would you return from wps to plugin? |
11:07:17 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Commit away. |
11:07:24 | ashridah | and if there is such a feature, idon't know if there'll be a quick way to do that |
11:07:29 | LinusN | dwihno: look for system() |
11:07:53 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm not talking about the internal WPS |
11:07:59 | Membrillo | hmmm, i just want to clear the playlist (including the currently playing song) without the song stopping. can you play a song without it being in a playlist? |
11:08:01 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: I've got about 1900 files/directories on my disk. |
11:08:05 | LinusN | i'm talking about a mini-wps in the plugin libarry |
11:08:36 | LinusN | i'm not letting the plugin go to the normal wps |
11:09:03 | dwihno | LinusN: I read something about exec and friends, but the do not return to the software, no? |
11:09:13 | LinusN | dwihno: true |
11:09:23 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hehe, anyway that's fast :) |
11:09:30 | ashridah | dwihno: sort of. |
11:09:39 | ashridah | they replace the execution image |
11:09:49 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Yes, but the spinup time was slow - it's great to have dircache back :) |
11:09:56 | ashridah | you typically use them in conjunction with 'fork()' if you want them to 'return' to the parent |
11:10:22 | dwihno | LinusN, ashridah: ah, I'll look for the system() call then |
11:10:28 | ashridah | but then you're dealing with two separate processes. you can resync them by just issuing 'wait()' |
11:10:52 | ashridah | but yeah, system() is the shortcut method |
11:11:10 | ashridah | it's basically a combination of fork, exec and wait |
11:11:15 | amiconn | Slasheri, linuxstb_: Imho it would be better to always use correct alignment |
11:11:31 | amiconn | While not strictly necessary for coldfire, it helps performance |
11:11:47 | LinusN | and less clutter in the code |
11:11:59 | preglow | how large an impact does it have on data size? |
11:12:05 | Slasheri | amiconn: with dircache that would only increase space it takes.. |
11:12:20 | Slasheri | i doubt there would be any performance boost |
11:12:29 | preglow | Slasheri: btw, you can replace most of those CONFIG_CPU checks with defined(CPU_ARM) |
11:12:38 | Slasheri | preglow: ah |
11:12:45 | preglow | at least the PP ones and the PNX one |
11:13:46 | preglow | Slasheri: but yeah, how much space is wasted when alignment is forced? |
11:14:31 | dwihno | ashridah, LinusN: thanks, I got it working now. the exec stuff wasn't just right for this project. |
11:14:43 | ashridah | exec's complicated |
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11:14:49 | ashridah | dealing with arguments and whatnot can be a pain |
11:15:21 | ashridah | but it gives you the option of doing stuff with the processes' stdin/stdout and stderr, and allows things to run asynchronously |
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11:16:12 | Slasheri | preglow: it depends, 0-3 bytes per entry.. so about 5-20 kB in total.. not so much in fact :) |
11:17:26 | preglow | heh |
11:17:42 | preglow | anyway |
11:17:51 | preglow | this isn't my idea of cluttered code |
11:18:06 | preglow | so you could keep unaligned mode for targets which can do it for my sake |
11:18:20 | Slasheri | :) |
11:18:39 | Slasheri | yep, there is only one #ifdef for that in the code |
11:18:46 | preglow | yes, exactly |
11:19:05 | preglow | well, i've gotta go move some stuff |
11:19:07 | preglow | brb |
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11:33:18 | prh | just got to say - rockbox is awesome! |
11:33:55 | LinusN | thanks |
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11:38:47 | Rob2222 | good morning |
11:39:49 | Rob2222 | LinusN: I got an answer. He will look after a PCB, but he coudln say something, cause he sayed that H300 spare parts always were rare. |
11:40:18 | LinusN | Rob2222: thanks, let's hope for the best |
11:40:57 | Rob2222 | Yes. But I thought, when you buy a player and then sell the HD, it should save money, too. |
11:41:36 | LinusN | spare parts are always nice to have |
11:41:46 | Rob2222 | hehe ok :) |
11:43:04 | linuxstb_ | Has anyone made any changes recently to the Rockbox USB detection to do something special if USB is plugged in whilst Rockbox boots? |
11:43:36 | LinusN | no |
11:43:41 | LinusN | not that i know of |
11:44:15 | LinusN | except for the usb charge mode in h300 |
11:44:20 | linuxstb_ | Mmm. So I can't blame anyone but myself for it being broken on the ipod... |
11:44:42 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Yes, I can't see anything with your commits that could affect any other targets. |
11:45:20 | BHSPitLappy | well, it executes the code to show the usb logo |
11:45:37 | BHSPitLappy | shouldn't that be lumped together with the reboot function |
11:46:20 | linuxstb_ | BHSPitLappy: It is, but it only works when you plug in USB normally. If you plug in USB with the ipod turned off, then Rockbox will start, and go straight into that USB screen. |
11:46:30 | linuxstb_ | (instead of rebooting back into disk mode) |
11:47:15 | amiconn | This is early USB mode, invoked before initialising ATA |
11:47:16 | BHSPitLappy | i know |
11:47:27 | BHSPitLappy | just stepping back and analyzing this :) |
11:47:30 | amiconn | Maybe you need to hook into that separately |
11:47:30 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Is that new? |
11:47:33 | amiconn | Nope |
11:47:42 | amiconn | It's a year old or so |
11:47:50 | linuxstb_ | Mmm. Strange, because it seemed to work in the past. It only broke recently. |
11:48:30 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Does that still call the usb_enable() function? |
11:51:06 | damaki_ | good morning |
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11:52:17 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I've found it now - looking at the code, I've no idea how it could have worked in the past... |
11:53:07 | amiconn | It does call usb_enable() |
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11:54:26 | linuxstb_ | Does it? From where? |
11:54:36 | NightCat | Hi all! |
11:55:16 | amiconn | linuxstb_: The USB thread does when all threads acknowledged USB |
11:55:40 | amiconn | The final acknowledge (for the main thread) is done in usb_screen() |
11:56:01 | amiconn | ...but now I remember having problems with early USB on iriver as well |
11:56:32 | amiconn | Perhaps some thread doesn't properly acknowledge USB at this point? |
11:56:34 | NightCat | I have a question: does somebody knows where can I get some more fonts for RB? (I want some more fonts with Russian support...) |
11:56:35 | linuxstb_ | Didn't Slasheri add some more threads recently for audio initialisation and such like/ |
11:56:50 | amiconn | Usually no problem, because we have bootloader USB on iriver |
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12:01:19 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: not more threads, i just changed the audio initialization order |
12:01:39 | Slasheri | so now the audio thread is initialized earlier so it can initialize pcm hardware on background |
12:01:41 | NightCat | Hm, what about fonts? ;) |
12:01:59 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Does it respond to usb events? |
12:02:10 | Slasheri | yes |
12:02:16 | Slasheri | unless.. |
12:02:21 | Slasheri | usb is connected very early |
12:02:31 | Slasheri | then it might hang |
12:02:33 | linuxstb_ | Which it is.... |
12:02:50 | linuxstb_ | If USB is plugged in before the ipod boots, it hangs on startup. |
12:02:54 | Slasheri | hmm, yep.. i will think how to fix that |
12:03:01 | Slasheri | ah :/ |
12:03:31 | Slasheri | it hangs waiting for the correct event (Q_AUDIO_POST_INIT).. it don't accept any other event before that |
12:04:58 | linuxstb_ | At least on the iPod, it should accept a USB event - this will cause the iPod to reboot anyway, so it doesn't matter that the audio is half-initialised. |
12:05:34 | amiconn | Slasheri: The dircache thread also has a bug |
12:05:50 | amiconn | It stops scanning if it receives _any_ event |
12:06:09 | amiconn | ..even if it's such a minor thing like charger plugged/unplugged |
12:08:06 | Slasheri | yes, i know |
12:08:42 | Slasheri | i will try to figure some good way to fix these issues |
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12:13:43 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Have you tried the latest bleeding edge Rockbox build (and the latest bootloader-color.bin I've uploaded to the installation page) ? |
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12:14:17 | damaki | not yet |
12:14:40 | damaki | i'm gonna try it now |
12:14:54 | linuxstb_ | Thanks - it should hopefully solve your lcd problems. |
12:15:07 | NightCat | Asking again :) Is there some way to translate simple system fonts (from windows) to RB format? |
12:15:23 | B4gder | NightCat: if you can convert them to bdf, yes |
12:15:57 | NightCat | I want some more fonts... |
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12:16:47 | B4gder | http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
12:16:53 | NightCat | Haha, I find converter :) |
12:17:31 | NightCat | B4gder: cirilic means russian? |
12:17:46 | NightCat | Oh, yes, I see :) |
12:17:52 | NightCat | Thanks :) |
12:19:43 | Membrillo | what do people think about this. Its the source for a FNT2BDF converter (in C) |
12:19:44 | Membrillo | http://nskystars.net/linux/fonted-0.9.tar.gz |
12:20:02 | B4gder | is fnt a bitmap format? |
12:20:16 | NightCat | And what about this: http://qnx4.narod.ru/files/tt2bdf26.zip |
12:20:32 | Membrillo | wait, are rockbox fonts in BDF format? |
12:20:37 | B4gder | no |
12:20:44 | Membrillo | what are rb fonts in? |
12:20:47 | B4gder | but convbdf converts from bdf to the rockbox format |
12:21:06 | B4gder | rockbox fonts are using rockbox format ;-) |
12:21:15 | NightCat | Where to download "convbdf"? |
12:21:17 | linuxstb_ | Is bdf a bitmap format? |
12:21:25 | B4gder | linuxstb_: yes |
12:22:14 | Bg3r | bitmap description font ? |
12:22:21 | Membrillo | so could you integrare the thing i linked into convbdf and have fnt->bdf->rb? |
12:22:22 | preglow | linuxstb_: oh, i forgot to mention |
12:22:34 | preglow | linuxstb_: usb mode worked for me again yesterday when i did my adjustable cpu freq tests |
12:23:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: so something weird is definitely afoot |
12:23:07 | XavierGr | Hehe I've got in front of me the box of a new H340! Now lets open it to see what's inside! |
12:23:10 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Are you talking about "normal" usb mode - i.e. plugging in usb when Rockbox is already running? |
12:23:20 | preglow | yes |
12:23:24 | preglow | the reboot part |
12:23:29 | preglow | that doesn't work for me anymore |
12:24:37 | linuxstb_ | Has anyone else mentioned problems with the normal usb mode. I thought that generally, it was only the early usb mode that was broken. |
12:24:51 | damaki | linuxstb_: I have a question : is there somewhere a screenshot with the good colors. I just realized I do not know what the colors should be. I say that because the rockbox splashcreen is good but I must admit that I do not know about the other colors. It could be a screenshot or just the default wps hex colors, so that I could compare |
12:25:17 | linuxstb_ | The default wps is black on a light blue background. |
12:25:43 | linuxstb_ | The Rockbox logo can be seen at http://www.rockbox.org - if the logo is fine, everything else should be. |
12:25:48 | damaki | and what about the text highlight ? |
12:26:03 | linuxstb_ | That's a sort of dark brown. |
12:26:09 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Congratulation. |
12:26:36 | linuxstb_ | damaki: If you go to Menu -> Info -> Version you can see the Rockbox logo again. |
12:26:41 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Now you have 5 minutes to install RB. ;) |
12:27:12 | XavierGr | Strange though advqancedmp3players advertised it as the SE version. It has both an lcdless remote and a cradle! |
12:27:37 | Rob2222 | nice! |
12:27:40 | damaki | then the colors are good and I was partially wrong yesterday. the highlight color was red |
12:27:50 | XavierGr | The funny part is that there is no stock left for H300s on advancedmp3players anymire |
12:28:01 | NightCat | XavierGr: I have an lcdless remote, but not craddle... |
12:28:49 | XavierGr | I have the cradle in front of me :) |
12:28:51 | NightCat | XavierGr: 4 minutes left for installing RB :) |
12:28:56 | Bg3r | :) |
12:29:09 | XavierGr | How do I turn it on. Do I have to charge it first? |
12:29:20 | Rob2222 | hehe |
12:29:22 | NightCat | I think - no :) |
12:29:26 | Jungti1234 | Arr |
12:29:34 | NightCat | Just push THE BUTTON :) |
12:30:01 | XavierGr | I remember that the h140 I had was middle charged... |
12:30:04 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Have you upgraded to the latest official bootloader and rockbox.zip now then? |
12:30:19 | Rob2222 | All Li-Ions should be middle charged. |
12:30:19 | JdGordon | any1 know what font the family guy wps needs to look proper? |
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12:30:45 | NightCat | JdGordon: What? |
12:30:54 | damaki | yup, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/bootloader-color.bin and the lastest bleeding age rockbox.zip |
12:31:23 | linuxstb_ | damaki: Good, that's working then. Thanks. |
12:31:29 | NightCat | Where the USB mode picture is in source? |
12:31:30 | XavierGr | strnage it will not power up! I will try to charge it |
12:31:36 | damaki | linuxstb_: Thanks too ;) |
12:31:37 | linuxstb_ | If the logo is fine, then everything else will be. |
12:32:00 | XavierGr | Argh the AC adpater has a UK plug! F*ck! |
12:32:07 | NightCat | XavierGr: It's just broken haha :) (Just kidding.) |
12:32:10 | XavierGr | Now where is my adapter |
12:32:13 | Rob2222 | Huh. |
12:32:43 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: The H140 adapter does NOT fit. |
12:33:31 | NightCat | I'm asking AGAING!!! DOES Anybody knows where the usb mode logo is in source? |
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12:33:51 | B4gder | yes we know |
12:34:18 | NightCat | Haha :) Where? |
12:34:23 | Rob2222 | lol |
12:35:00 | JdGordon | do plugins have proper access to the hdd? i.e move/rename files etc? |
12:36:18 | Rob2222 | Hmm, a Norton Commander Plugin would be nice. :) |
12:36:20 | BHSPitLappy | bejeweled saves highscores |
12:36:39 | B4gder | JdGordon: yes they do |
12:36:44 | JdGordon | :) |
12:37:01 | Rob2222 | JdGordon: Thinking about to move files? |
12:37:13 | JdGordon | im tihnking like u am |
12:37:36 | LinusN | wee, cache-aligned asm-optimized ata read loop @124mhz: 7.8mbytes/s |
12:37:47 | JdGordon | um... woot |
12:37:47 | B4gder | neato |
12:37:54 | LinusN | s/cache-aligned/burst-aligned/ |
12:38:09 | JdGordon | soo.. uh.. thats good right? :D |
12:38:20 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: How do you test the read speed? |
12:38:27 | Jungti1234 | color = colour? |
12:38:31 | LinusN | a benchmark plugin i wrote |
12:38:46 | B4gder | Jungti1234: english vs american |
12:38:53 | Jungti1234 | ah |
12:38:57 | BHSPitLappy | backwards :P |
12:39:05 | LinusN | american vs english |
12:39:07 | B4gder | aright, |
12:39:09 | BHSPitLappy | Jungti1234: england likes "u"s :) |
12:39:19 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Do you think that's suitable for CVS? Could be interesting for people to compare different hardware. |
12:39:23 | LinusN | and england doesn't like US :-P |
12:39:27 | Jungti1234 | :) |
12:39:38 | B4gder | uuuuh, that hurt |
12:39:41 | B4gder | :-) |
12:39:47 | LinusN | linuxstb_: i'll consider it |
12:40:13 | BHSPitLappy | LinusN: sure didn't act like that 200 years ago |
12:40:31 | XavierGr | Haha I just listened again the "iRiver Catch the digital flow"! I am moved, I remember the same thing with my newly bought iHP-140! |
12:40:52 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: How do you got power? :) |
12:41:27 | XavierGr | I used a UK to EU converter |
12:41:34 | Rob2222 | Ah OK. :) |
12:41:40 | XavierGr | Also does it have to be lit when charging? |
12:41:44 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Where are you from? |
12:41:57 | XavierGr | Greece |
12:42:02 | Bg3r | XavierGr happy rbing on h300 :P |
12:42:24 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Yes it can, no problem. You can make ALL while charging. |
12:42:45 | Rob2222 | Should I send you 1.29 kr patched wia DCC? :) |
12:42:45 | XavierGr | Thanks, but I will fiddle a little while with the original firmware to see differences between H100. |
12:43:03 | XavierGr | Why korean? |
12:43:13 | XavierGr | Isn't 1.30 the latest? |
12:43:27 | Rob2222 | You can set the FM frequency in the KR firmware. |
12:43:41 | XavierGr | oh interesting |
12:43:48 | Rob2222 | => you could listen to police here |
12:43:56 | XavierGr | hehe. |
12:44:01 | NightCat | Why this fonts: http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/cyrillic/ doesn't show russian symbols? |
12:44:26 | XavierGr | Also now I will have to make a modded cable for the cradle. |
12:44:34 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: 1.30 has removed video support I think. |
12:44:43 | XavierGr | I don't want to use the AC adapter for that. |
12:44:44 | Rob2222 | Modded cable? |
12:44:48 | Rob2222 | AH. |
12:44:54 | Rob2222 | What you want to use? |
12:44:59 | Rob2222 | PC? |
12:45:05 | XavierGr | yes |
12:45:12 | Rob2222 | But not a USB plug, or? |
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12:45:29 | XavierGr | I will leave the cradle on my desktop and use 2 usb ports. One for power and one for synching |
12:45:32 | Bg3r | Rob2222 ???????? |
12:45:36 | Bg3r | removed video support ? |
12:45:50 | Rob2222 | Bg3r: In 1.30 I thought. |
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12:46:21 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: 1 USB connector is to less to support the power plug! |
12:47:11 | Rob2222 | Bg3r: Am I wrong? As I said, "I think". |
12:47:13 | XavierGr | why? |
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12:47:27 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: USB = max 500mA |
12:47:36 | XavierGr | H140 seemed to work just fine both charging and synching, not to mention only charging |
12:47:41 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Iriver charging and running consumes a lot more |
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12:48:02 | XavierGr | Rob: I doubt that it needs more than 500mAh when charging only. |
12:48:14 | Rob2222 | Depends on your motherboard layout ;) |
12:48:33 | XavierGr | But you did the measurements, how much it needs to charge? |
12:48:47 | B4gder | it generally needs more than 500mah to charge fast, yes |
12:48:56 | Rob2222 | The H300 is able to charge the battery with up to 650mA |
12:49:19 | Rob2222 | Accoring the LX2201 battery charger datacsheet. |
12:49:20 | XavierGr | Ah yes, thruth is that my H160 needed more that normal time to charge in USB. |
12:49:26 | JdGordon | San: i love your family guy wps |
12:49:31 | XavierGr | But no worries for that, as long I will not damage it. |
12:49:51 | XavierGr | So you think I might damage it? |
12:49:53 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: You can only damage yoz motherboard USB connector. |
12:49:53 | NightCat | My AC adapter says: 5V 2A... |
12:50:02 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Depends. |
12:50:13 | XavierGr | mine too, both H140 and H340 |
12:50:42 | XavierGr | But as I said: I have made a dock for my H140 that takes power only from 1 USB port. |
12:50:42 | NightCat | 2A - cool, it can kill a man :) |
12:50:51 | XavierGr | It manages to synch and charge though it will not charge it fast. |
12:51:08 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: USB says, that every USB connector must have at least 500mA. I read that some motherboard companies support much more current at their usb plugs. But I cant say how you can test this. |
12:51:12 | ashridah | NightCat: uh, dude, a few hundred milliamps can kill a man |
12:51:26 | ashridah | only half a dozen milliamps can kill someone if you pierce the skin |
12:51:26 | XavierGr | Now I will make a cable only for power and one for synching in order not to stress my motherboard |
12:51:27 | NightCat | Yes :) |
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12:51:43 | XavierGr | (though my motherboard seems to be a bear in those things) |
12:52:32 | XavierGr | Sh*t 2 more cables in my desk. In a while I will swim between cables.... |
12:52:55 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Simply get 5V over at HD connector from the PC power supply. |
12:53:08 | B4gder | "it doesn't work at all" is a great bug report... :-) |
12:53:32 | NightCat | Who wrote this? |
12:53:38 | XavierGr | Rob you mean inside the box from an IDE connector? |
12:53:43 | B4gder | see bug tracker |
12:54:05 | XavierGr | IDE = not the ribon cable but the power connector |
12:54:20 | linuxstb | B4gder: No, that's actually a perfectly accurate bug report. Musepack seeking doesn't work at all... |
12:54:31 | linuxstb | preglow disabled it a while ago. |
12:54:40 | B4gder | ah, I misread it |
12:54:51 | B4gder | I missed the "seeking" part |
12:55:15 | * | B4gder shuts up |
12:55:36 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Yes, the power connector. |
12:56:02 | preglow | nice bug report |
12:56:15 | XavierGr | Rob good idea. But I will have to make cables come out of my case. |
12:56:33 | preglow | anyone going to respond, or shall i? |
12:58:14 | preglow | ok, i'll do it |
13:00 |
13:03:38 | NightCat | Could someone explain me my problem... |
13:03:56 | XavierGr | what's your problem |
13:04:06 | NightCat | Why only unifont and some fonts named like 6X9 works on my DAP? |
13:04:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
13:04:27 | XavierGr | what dAP? |
13:04:46 | NightCat | H320 I've just tried all that fonts: http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
13:04:57 | NightCat | But non is working... |
13:05:02 | B4gder | NightCat: because you have no other unicode font |
13:05:14 | NightCat | I mean they works but not show russian symbols... |
13:05:28 | NightCat | Then what shall I do? |
13:05:29 | amiconn | These fonts are from before uncide support in rockbox |
13:05:37 | amiconn | =>they won't work anymore |
13:05:59 | NightCat | Then if I want some more fonts I should convert it myself? |
13:06:37 | NightCat | Then when can I get bdf to RB font program? |
13:06:47 | | Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
13:06:49 | B4gder | NightCat: in the rockbox source code |
13:07:01 | NightCat | "convbdf" |
13:07:13 | NightCat | You mean in tools? |
13:07:15 | NightCat | :) |
13:07:54 | * | B4gder looks at NightCat |
13:08:06 | B4gder | do you _ever_ check anything for yourself instead of asking? |
13:08:43 | NightCat | I like asking and talking :) |
13:09:07 | NightCat | But when I ask something I start to find it myself :) |
13:09:08 | B4gder | then let's hope someone likes answering |
13:10:06 | NightCat | Yes :) |
13:10:11 | NightCat | Let's hope :) |
13:11:04 | Kingstone | can anyone give me link to rockbox sourcecode for ipod? |
13:11:17 | B4gder | Kingstone: it is the one and single source for all targets |
13:11:40 | NightCat | Kingstone: Just use the CVS. |
13:11:42 | Kingstone | so can you give me link? or to he cvs? |
13:11:59 | B4gder | I'm sure you find it |
13:12:28 | NightCat | Something like that I think... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
13:12:57 | LinusN | what's with all lazy people today? |
13:13:25 | B4gder | one of these days I'll go join a #rockboxdev channel instead |
13:13:39 | * | B4gder is grumpy |
13:13:46 | * | linuxstb is sleepy |
13:15:25 | NightCat | B4gder: We'll find you anyway :) |
13:15:26 | LinusN | i wonder how one could invent an audio format that doesn't support seeking |
13:15:35 | preglow | sheer cleverness |
13:15:57 | linuxstb | Not many audio formats do have good seeking support. |
13:16:00 | preglow | B4gder: i already have #rockbox-dev :-) |
13:16:13 | B4gder | nice and quiet there, huh? ;-) |
13:16:20 | Rob2222 | LinusN: Maybe for some special cases where you didnt need to seek |
13:17:12 | preglow | plenty of action! |
13:17:28 | preglow | we have free beer |
13:17:56 | B4gder | haha |
13:18:08 | preglow | as long as you have it, that is |
13:18:28 | * | stamppot trudges over to #rockbox-dev.... :) |
13:19:01 | stamppot | Whoa! Loads of free beer! :) |
13:19:57 | preglow | LinusN: they managed it by making sure that all parts of a stream might depend on any other previous part |
13:20:08 | XavierGr | what? rockbox-dev? |
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13:20:19 | preglow | LinusN: some kind of infinite duration bitreservoir or something |
13:20:25 | LinusN | wow |
13:20:33 | B4gder | and please head to #rockbox-questions when you need to ask silly questions |
13:20:50 | B4gder | and #rockbox-spam if you feel a need to spam |
13:20:56 | damaki | no, it is much more fun to annoy people here :P |
13:21:08 | preglow | #rockbox-idlers |
13:21:10 | XavierGr | ROFLMAO |
13:21:26 | stamppot | #rockbox-spam is now open for submissions... |
13:21:31 | NightCat | Maybe #rockbox-fun or something? |
13:21:38 | Rob2222 | #rockbox-offer <= today 50% cheaper rockbox sales |
13:21:44 | B4gder | yay! |
13:21:49 | Bg3r | :D |
13:22:38 | stamppot | :_) |
13:23:49 | Kingstone | what is outl()? |
13:24:06 | linuxstb | Kingstone: A linux-ism that needs to be removed. |
13:24:18 | B4gder | Kingstone: linux lingo for writing a 'long' to memory |
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13:24:55 | Kingstone | ok thanks |
13:25:04 | preglow | linux usually runs in user mode, so you can't just write to any address just like that |
13:25:08 | preglow | so they wrap it |
13:25:27 | B4gder | well that's actually a macro for drivers |
13:25:35 | B4gder | and they're not user-space |
13:25:42 | Cassandra | Hmmm. What's a "data abort"? That's a new one on me. |
13:25:43 | preglow | oh? |
13:25:49 | preglow | Cassandra: you just tried to access unaligned memory |
13:26:08 | preglow | note the address and fine out where for bonus points |
13:26:13 | Cassandra | Weird. |
13:26:21 | Cassandra | This is a colour wps. |
13:26:22 | preglow | B4gder: oh? |
13:26:26 | preglow | B4gder: what does the macro do? |
13:26:29 | Cassandra | Not sure why it would be doing that. |
13:26:32 | linuxstb | It's possible the bitmap loader is at fault. |
13:26:40 | B4gder | preglow: on uclinux I don't think it does anything magic |
13:26:55 | B4gder | preglow: but I think it can do memory remapping thing |
13:26:56 | B4gder | s |
13:26:59 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I had a look at it last night. It's ... opaque. |
13:27:17 | B4gder | I'll admit I'm not a wizard on that macro |
13:27:18 | Cassandra | I think we also need to increase the image buffer size as a function of display depth. |
13:27:36 | B4gder | but I won't admit _anything_ else |
13:27:39 | B4gder | :-) |
13:27:40 | Cassandra | But not understanding the bitmap loader, I wasn't able to work out what that function should be. |
13:28:37 | LinusN | Cassandra: the wps image buffer is not in the bitmap loader |
13:29:09 | Cassandra | No, but it needs to have enough room to contain al the images loaded. |
13:29:36 | preglow | B4gder: so, dealing with linux, are you? |
13:29:37 | preglow | traitor! |
13:29:41 | LinusN | Cassandra: yes |
13:29:49 | linuxstb | Yes, it seems the readlong function needs to do unaligned memory accesses on little-endian targets. |
13:29:57 | * | linuxstb fix |
13:30:01 | Cassandra | Hmm. The bitmaps causing the problem are 9x13 and 11x11 btw. |
13:30:03 | B4gder | preglow: doing the occational device drivers hacking at work |
13:30:54 | linuxstb | In fact, I think the readlong and readshort macros should just be used for all targets - big or little endian. |
13:31:49 | LinusN | Cassandra: which target and which wps? |
13:31:51 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Can you try removing the #ifdef ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN from line 71 of apps/recorder/bmp.c so that those readlong and readshort functions are used on all targets, not just big-endian targets? |
13:32:03 | XavierGr | The other day I found a strange button combo on H140 |
13:32:21 | Rob2222 | Jejeje, my H300 harddrive update just arrived!!! :) |
13:32:44 | Cassandra | linuxstb: Sure. Is that a wise thing to do though? |
13:32:45 | Rob2222 | http://www.skyhoppel.de/rob/H300/H300hdu.jpg <= I only doesn't know how to put it in my H300, yet. |
13:32:49 | XavierGr | If you press play + a-b in while playing screen it will go to ID3 tag information! |
13:33:01 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes, I think so. |
13:33:11 | XavierGr | Rob you already had a 60GB drive so... |
13:33:30 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Yes, but that are 250GB :D |
13:33:31 | Cassandra | I think gwps.h line 275 needs changing too. |
13:34:21 | XavierGr | Rob I thought you said H300 HD update. |
13:34:43 | linuxstb | Cassandra: That would make sense to me. I don't understand the logic behind that formula though. |
13:35:06 | linuxstb | AFAIK, it hasn't been a problem for H300 users. |
13:35:43 | B4gder | linuxstb: for the sim perhaps? |
13:35:55 | Cassandra | There used to be an 8 in there. |
13:36:01 | Cassandra | I wonder where it went. |
13:36:18 | linuxstb | B4gder: There's no point IMHO. It's not a time-critical function, so we may as well just read the values byte-by-byte in all cases. |
13:36:26 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: As soon as I found a way to fit in in my H300. ;) |
13:36:30 | B4gder | I agree |
13:36:30 | Rob2222 | OK, was just kidding. |
13:36:43 | * | Rob2222 shuts up. |
13:37:29 | preglow | perhaps the codec api configure function should have a CAN_SEEK thing |
13:37:58 | linuxstb | Or the codec should reply "can not seek" when the playback code requests a seek. |
13:38:10 | linuxstb | This will take care of codecs like FLAC where certain files are not seekable. |
13:38:38 | linuxstb | Sorry, I've misunderstood - the codec will set CAN_SEEK for each file after it opens it? |
13:38:45 | preglow | sure |
13:38:56 | preglow | anything else would be a bit unflexible |
13:38:59 | linuxstb | That would work. |
13:39:09 | preglow | it's just that i don't want seeking to appear to work |
13:39:11 | preglow | as it does now |
13:39:43 | linuxstb | But all codecs should be able to seek back to the start of the track. |
13:40:23 | Cassandra | Linus made the buffer take up 8 bytes per pixel in 1.17 of gwps.h I think. |
13:40:38 | Cassandra | It'd work, but it seems incredibly wasteful. |
13:41:12 | Cassandra | (The divide by 10 a 'fudge factor' arrived at experimentally, I believe.) |
13:41:46 | preglow | linuxstb: well, sure, but i don't see that as seeking |
13:41:59 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't even think it's handled the same by the playback engine |
13:42:18 | linuxstb | There is no "restart track" event - it's passed to the codec as "seek to 0" |
13:42:37 | linuxstb | But it's probably not an issue... |
13:43:22 | Rob2222 | H300: 1.30: Released December 2005 This release is for the European firmware only. Due to licensing issues in Europe, it removed the video icon & mode added in release 1.29. |
13:43:59 | NightCat | Rob2222: Don't you know why? |
13:44:39 | Cassandra | LinusN, sorry - missed your question. It's a colour version of boxes and iPod platform. |
13:44:49 | Bg3r | Rob2222 this is f.cking bullsh.t ... <sorry for the language> |
13:44:53 | Rob2222 | Bg3r asked why 1.30 has removed video support. |
13:45:06 | Rob2222 | So thats wrong? |
13:45:12 | muesli__ | NightCat it has probably something to do with a certain zax on multimedia players |
13:45:23 | muesli__ | tax |
13:45:24 | NightCat | Ah... |
13:45:46 | muesli__ | at least its a guess |
13:45:56 | Rob2222 | muesli__: Have you tried 1.30 Eu? |
13:46:04 | muesli__ | never+ |
13:46:15 | muesli__ | never used irivers firmware so far ;) |
13:46:21 | Rob2222 | lol |
13:46:35 | NightCat | Windows'll now be without Windows Media Player (EU version)... :) |
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13:46:54 | * | muesli__ is absolutely rbx-fanatic ;) |
13:47:14 | Rob2222 | well, EU version should have lower sound outpout, only due to french regulations, too. |
13:47:39 | NightCat | F*cking EU lows... |
13:47:43 | Rob2222 | I didnt think that it is f.cking bullsh.t |
13:47:55 | muesli__ | is the korean version louder in fact? |
13:47:58 | Rob2222 | NightCat: Simply use the KR version :) |
13:48:07 | Rob2222 | muesli__: I didnt have tested it, yet. |
13:48:09 | NightCat | muesli__: Yes. |
13:48:26 | NightCat | I think Yes :) |
13:48:27 | muesli__ | i patched the kr..but as i said..never tried it ;) |
13:49:17 | NightCat | When I patch my old imp-550 to kr it was louder... |
13:49:36 | Rob2222 | muesli__: Dont listen to the german police with your iriver fm radio. ^^ |
13:49:38 | Rob2222 | :p |
13:50:00 | muesli__ | well..i rather should ;) |
13:50:08 | NightCat | How to listen the police? |
13:50:12 | NightCat | :) |
13:50:33 | muesli__ | just use the kr-version providing lower bands on radio |
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13:50:53 | NightCat | Only 87 or something... NO? |
13:51:22 | muesli__ | afaik it was something like 72mhz |
13:51:44 | NightCat | Now I have an kr but only 87.... |
13:52:01 | XavierGr | wow the battery pack is neat! |
13:52:25 | Rob2222 | NightCat: You have to set the tuner region. |
13:52:28 | XavierGr | also the H340 is more fat than the H140 but more short too. |
13:52:56 | NightCat | I set t to Korea... |
13:53:01 | Rob2222 | NightCat: In options. But I dont know which is the right, At least NOT usa and NOT europe |
13:53:07 | Rob2222 | NightCat: Try Japan |
13:53:30 | muesli__ | XavierGr the h340 is really sucking fat |
13:53:36 | NightCat | Yes! |
13:53:36 | muesli__ | that why i didnt chose it |
13:53:41 | NightCat | 76 Mhz :) |
13:53:42 | muesli__ | just another brick in the wall :p |
13:53:47 | Rob2222 | The FM band in Japan is 76-90MHz |
13:55:11 | muesli__ | kab |
13:57:45 | Cassandra | linuxstb, still seems to be crashing, Im afraid. |
13:58:20 | linuxstb | Can you note down the address, and then look in build/apps/rockbox.map to see if you can identify the function it is crashing in? |
13:58:34 | Cassandra | Sure. |
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14:00:48 | Cassandra | This is going to be a great shock to you. Looks ike it's somewhere in read_bmp |
14:01:11 | Cassandra | (00020E9C to be exact) |
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14:02:00 | Cassandra | This is going to be a great shock to you. Looks ike it's somewhere in read_bmp |
14:02:01 | Cassandra | (00020E9C to be exact) |
14:02:07 | linuxstb | Didn't take long: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2511.0 |
14:02:36 | B4gder | hahaha |
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14:03:16 | linuxstb | I've prepared my reply though - use the ipodlinux bootloader which has a nice menu and configuration options. |
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14:04:12 | Cassandra | Oh, btw it's probably not a great idea for the bootloader to report a Linux error when force booting into Apple firmware. |
14:05:13 | ashridah | why not? people blame linux for all sorts of things that has nothing to do with linux itself :) |
14:05:59 | Rob2222 | lol |
14:06:32 | Cassandra | Our keyboard driver needs to do clicky clicky like Apple. |
14:06:44 | Cassandra | Clicky clicky is a must have feature. |
14:06:50 | linuxstb | Cassandra: When does it do that? It should only do that if you press PLAY (to start Linux). MENU will take you to the Apple firmware without any errors (I hope) |
14:07:49 | Cassandra | You are right, yes. I'd misremembered the boot key. |
14:08:54 | Cassandra | It would be really nice if I could find a utility that would generate me an ipod database in the same way we generated the tagdb. |
14:09:13 | Cassandra | I don't want my MP3s managed. I just want iPod to realise they're there. |
14:09:17 | linuxstb | Just wait for tagcache... |
14:09:46 | preglow | Cassandra: gnupod? |
14:10:09 | Cassandra | Did I mention I wanted it to run under Windows? |
14:10:18 | preglow | i think gnupod is perl |
14:10:58 | preglow | there's also a foobar2k component |
14:11:41 | Jungti1234 | hm |
14:11:44 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
14:11:54 | Cassandra | the foobar2k one looks like it copies MP3s about too. Most of them seem to assume you want some sort of itunes like functionalty on the host. |
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14:16:18 | * | linuxstb sees a Rockbox plugin being developed... |
14:16:40 | Cassandra | Preferably by someone other than me. |
14:18:07 | Cassandra | So, any more bright ideas on this unaligned access? |
14:18:52 | preglow | did you found out where it occured? |
14:19:00 | preglow | oh, read_bmp |
14:19:07 | * | Cassandra nods. |
14:19:26 | Cassandra | Contain your shock if you can. |
14:19:49 | webguest57 | heh imagine a rockbox plugin that does the itunes database thingy, ie acts as ums but puts files in these weird directories and updates the database on umount |
14:20:26 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Do you mean read_bmp_file() |
14:20:45 | damaki | webguest57: it would be damn slow. reading all the tags would be soooo long |
14:20:47 | Cassandra | Yeah, sorry. |
14:21:28 | Cassandra | Im in insomniac mode at the moment thus not terribly with it. |
14:21:51 | preglow | damaki: not _that_ slow, the file data would have to be read anyway |
14:22:37 | linuxstb | Cassandra: I can't see anything in that function that is obviously doing unaligned accesses - apart from the readlong and readshort, which should now be fine. |
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14:23:53 | Cassandra | You wanted the version of readlong and readshort that did all the byte munging, yes. |
14:24:14 | linuxstb | Yes. But I think I've found the problem now. |
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14:26:46 | preglow | and i think i've found a new scratch register! |
14:27:46 | preglow | yeah, arm seems to have five scratch regs |
14:27:51 | preglow | r0, r1, r2, r3 and _r12_ |
14:27:53 | linuxstb | Cassandra: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bmp.diff (one line) |
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14:28:26 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Ignore that patch for now, just found a bug.... |
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14:29:06 | linuxstb | Cassandra: OK, you can try it now. |
14:29:34 | * | linuxstb welcome r12 to the party. |
14:30:49 | Paprica | how do i need to use the read_bmp_file function? |
14:31:43 | Paprica | please? |
14:32:00 | LinusN | Paprica: what do you want to know? |
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14:32:10 | Paprica | mm i try to use it |
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14:32:30 | Paprica | but the simulator stuck up |
14:32:47 | LinusN | Paprica: gdb is your friend |
14:32:52 | Paprica | is this right? |
14:32:52 | Paprica | read_bmp_file("/.rockbox/icons.bmp", &bm, |
14:32:52 | Paprica | 3872, |
14:32:52 | Paprica | FORMAT_ANY); |
14:33:04 | Paprica | mm i cant compile it =\ |
14:33:06 | Paprica | dont know why |
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14:33:48 | LinusN | what does the compiler say? |
14:34:06 | Paprica | mm sec i compile it again now |
14:35:00 | Jungti1234 | hi Paprica |
14:35:09 | Paprica | hi.. |
14:35:40 | Paprica | LinusN: http://pastebin.com/532049 |
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14:36:13 | LinusN | Paprica: why are you building the gdb stub? |
14:36:25 | Paprica | ? |
14:36:29 | Paprica | dont understand |
14:36:37 | Paprica | mm |
14:36:41 | LinusN | how did you configure? |
14:36:52 | Paprica | rbconf |
14:36:53 | Paprica | 10 |
14:36:55 | Paprica | g |
14:37:10 | LinusN | you are building the archos gdb stub |
14:37:18 | Paprica | =\ |
14:37:26 | Paprica | mm so what i need to do |
14:37:45 | LinusN | you need to reconfigure |
14:37:55 | Paprica | and what to type |
14:37:57 | LinusN | you have obviously selected the wrong target |
14:38:09 | Paprica | 10 is h300... |
14:38:24 | Paprica | 10 - iriver H320/H340 |
14:38:27 | LinusN | yes |
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14:38:34 | Paprica | so |
14:38:37 | Paprica | ? |
14:38:38 | preglow | you're still building the gdb stub |
14:38:39 | preglow | why 'g'? |
14:38:40 | linuxstb | And then you just want "N" for normal, or "S" for simulator - not G. |
14:38:55 | LinusN | Paprica: you have probably selected "1" instead of "10" |
14:39:20 | linuxstb | LinusN: There is a "G" option now for all targets... |
14:39:26 | LinusN | oh |
14:39:29 | Paprica | =\ |
14:39:31 | Cassandra | Buildy build build |
14:39:33 | preglow | i still think this should be fix |
14:39:39 | B4gder | me too |
14:39:43 | linuxstb | me too |
14:40:14 | Paprica | so how do i compile the gdb for h3xx? |
14:40:23 | B4gder | build the sim |
14:40:25 | B4gder | run gdb |
14:40:39 | LinusN | you don't compile a gdb stub for h300, there is none |
14:40:42 | Cassandra | Oh btw. Don't buy Sony. I've just had to scrap my 1800 pound laptop I bought 2 years ago because it fell apart. |
14:40:58 | Paprica | mm where i can find a gdb for windows? |
14:41:13 | B4gder | Paprica: install a proper cygwin and it'll be there |
14:41:19 | Rob2222 | Cassandra: Yes, sony laptop has a really bad warranty service when over the 1 / 2 years |
14:41:28 | LinusN | Paprica: by installing a proper cygwin installation and not tha silly devkit |
14:41:28 | Paprica | ok |
14:41:40 | Paprica | i have the cygwin |
14:41:40 | Paprica | .. |
14:42:01 | B4gder | then you just re-run cygwins install thing and select gdb in there |
14:42:19 | LinusN | just like the installation instructions told you to |
14:42:26 | Cassandra | LinusN, btw why did you multiply the image buffer size by 8? 24 bit colour is still only 4 bytes/pixel. |
14:42:35 | Paprica | ok |
14:42:41 | LinusN | Cassandra: where? |
14:43:14 | Cassandra | gwps.h |
14:43:30 | Cassandra | When adding colour support. |
14:44:12 | LinusN | where in gwps,h? |
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14:45:51 | Cassandra | 275 |
14:45:55 | LinusN | ah, now i see |
14:45:59 | Cassandra | linuxstb, nice work. That's got it/ |
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14:46:09 | Cassandra | Want me to commit it for you? |
14:46:09 | LinusN | that has nothing to do with 4 bytes per pixel |
14:46:27 | LinusN | as you know, the internal format is 2 bytes per pixel |
14:46:32 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes, please go ahead. |
14:47:09 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Before you do that, can you put #if LCD_DEPTH == 16 around that change I made to increment ret. |
14:47:34 | LinusN | however, the images are in fact 16 times bigger than the monochrome ones in full color |
14:47:40 | linuxstb | Cassandra: There's no point doing it for targets with char* framebuffers. |
14:47:56 | Cassandra | Sure. |
14:48:09 | Cassandra | Are they? How come? |
14:48:33 | linuxstb | Mono is 1bpp, Color is 16bpp. |
14:48:39 | LinusN | Cassandra: easy: monochrome == 1bit per pixel, color == 16bits per pixel |
14:49:21 | * | Cassandra nods. So why'd you only multiply by 8 then? |
14:49:29 | LinusN | because i didn't care |
14:49:40 | preglow | linuxstb: this ui sluggishness is probably going to promote the task of making the cop work |
14:49:42 | LinusN | the buffer size is pure guesswork anyway |
14:49:43 | Cassandra | Sorry if I'm being slow here. |
14:50:06 | * | Cassandra nods. True, although I've had to increase it in the past. |
14:50:07 | linuxstb | preglow: Maybe we should try other things first - like making an asm version of the fiq. |
14:50:16 | preglow | i can do that |
14:50:24 | LinusN | i just removed the /8 to make it bigger |
14:50:24 | linuxstb | It would be great if we could make Rockbox work with only one cpu. |
14:50:37 | preglow | linuxstb: well, that'll primarily mean optimising codecs, then |
14:51:14 | preglow | dumped saving of r12 in thread context now, and everything works fine still |
14:51:21 | preglow | wait a bit, and i'll commit it |
14:51:41 | linuxstb | It's possibly best to wait before touching the fiq routine first. We should iron out any bugs in the pcm playback code first. |
14:52:14 | preglow | disk cache works on nano |
14:52:18 | preglow | god knows what good it does us |
14:52:25 | linuxstb | Any noticable difference |
14:52:27 | linuxstb | ? |
14:52:34 | preglow | hmm |
14:52:37 | preglow | i just had a data abort |
14:52:44 | preglow | in a codec |
14:53:02 | linuxstb | I think I've had one - but I forget which codec. Possibly wavpack. |
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14:54:01 | preglow | it was either wav or wavpack |
14:54:09 | preglow | not reproducible |
14:55:27 | preglow | possible wavpack, the function the address maps to is read_next_header |
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14:59:00 | preglow | me goes brb |
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15:06:54 | linuxstb | preglow: I think it's the line "* (long*) cp = temp" in little_endian_to_native() in libwavpack/bits.c |
15:06:56 | linuxstb | The reverse function has a similar bug. |
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15:07:57 | ]RowaN[ | guys all of a sudden my wps bitmaps seem to be inverted.. have i missed something? |
15:10:50 | linuxstb | ]RowaN[: Which player are you using? |
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15:17:28 | ]RowaN[ | h120 |
15:19:52 | ]RowaN[ | its been like that using builds from about 1 day ago and onwards |
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15:20:09 | linuxstb | By "inverted", do you mean that black is white, and white is black? |
15:20:15 | ]RowaN[ | yes |
15:20:33 | ]RowaN[ | i know theres a simple solution.. invert my bitmaps =] |
15:21:03 | ]RowaN[ | but has it happened to anyone else? |
15:22:00 | muesli__ | yepp |
15:22:11 | muesli__ | ive experienced that issue too |
15:22:19 | muesli__ | did u use photoshop? |
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15:23:48 | tucoz | The ipodVOL theme seem to have the same problem |
15:24:26 | tucoz | with the next to most recent bleeding edge |
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15:26:16 | muesli__ | "Small ARM opt. Saves eight bytes!" is that sarcasm or real progress`? |
15:27:56 | ]RowaN[ | photoshop yes |
15:28:49 | muesli__ | dunno what goes wrong at this point but inverting helps |
15:29:46 | ]RowaN[ | since day 1 my wps bpms have been inverted (thats how i had to make them in order for them to display non-inverted in rockbox) ... but only in the last fews days they actually show up as they are |
15:29:52 | ]RowaN[ | bmps even |
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15:30:27 | ]RowaN[ | which way are they supposed to be saved? normal or inverted? |
15:30:39 | lostlogic | preglow: in case you didn't see, I posted a newer version of my quick codec timing patch to sourceforge that gives reproduceable results and stuff... still hacky, but should give you something to measure progress with while optimizing on arm. |
15:33:25 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm sure it's more than adequate |
15:33:31 | preglow | will test it when i'm not bogged down with work :/ |
15:33:49 | lostlogic | preglow: nod nod enjoy ;) |
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15:34:18 | lostlogic | preglow: I hope when I'm done with hacking deep into the bowels of the audio system I'll be able to make a better version that is CVS worthy. |
15:35:16 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: Have you looked at the ipod audio code at all? (in pcm_playback.c) |
15:35:24 | ]RowaN[ | grr i just inverted my bitmap and saved it... wps STILL shows colours the wrong way around |
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15:36:32 | lostlogic | linuxstb: slightly −− enough that I didn't break playback when I modified the callback structure in the pcmbuffer |
15:36:55 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm looking forward to seeing the result |
15:37:30 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I was wondering if I was doing anything stupid in it - I don't understand the playback system... |
15:38:19 | lostlogic | linuxstb: nothing stuck out as stupid, but I'll give it another look at some point I'm sure |
15:39:19 | linuxstb | I think I may have found a bug anyway - the "unpause" event doesn't seem to be handled by my code. So I think that's why skipping to the next track stops the playback. |
15:40:49 | Cassandra | Soon, soon it will be time to wind up amicon. |
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15:41:03 | lostlogic | linuxstb: track skips are weird beasts, they involve at least one call to pcm_play_stop, pcm_mute and pcm_mute(false) don't think they involve pause and unpause though |
15:42:10 | linuxstb | When is pcm_play_data() called? |
15:42:23 | lostlogic | when the first sample of the new track is decoded |
15:42:40 | Cassandra | (Possibly by spelling his name wrong, but more likely by commiting another wps.) |
15:42:43 | lostlogic | OR on a skip on disk after the new track is buffered and several sammples have been decoded |
15:43:05 | linuxstb | So it should be called when a user skips to the next track? |
15:43:18 | lostlogic | yeah |
15:43:20 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Is that a colour WPS for the Nano? |
15:43:43 | Cassandra | Yep. |
15:44:04 | Cassandra | Hmm - I don't think I meant to change button.h. How does that get reverted? |
15:44:20 | Cassandra | Or how do you revert to the previous CVS version? |
15:46:31 | Bg3r | with commiting it again? |
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15:48:26 | Cassandra | Easiest way, I gues. |
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15:49:38 | * | linuxstb is having a bad ADSL day... |
15:49:55 | preglow | every day is a bad adsl day |
15:50:03 | BHSPitLappy | heh. |
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15:51:33 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Do something like "cvs diff -r 1.34 button.h | patch -R" and then commit |
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15:53:51 | ts-x | Slasheri: You may already be aware of this, but I think there is a bug in the wps cache code. If you connect via usb, modify and existing wps image, and reload the wps the old image still appears in the wps. |
15:54:33 | preglow | and that's exactly what i warned him would happen |
15:54:38 | preglow | i think it's time revert the bmp cache |
15:54:45 | ts-x | The only way I've found to get around it, is by changing the wps name while in usb and loading the new wps. |
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15:55:24 | linuxstb | ts-x: As a workaround, could you load another wps, and then go back to your wps? |
15:56:23 | linuxstb | preglow: A revert would get my vote (sorry Slasheri...) |
15:56:32 | preglow | i just think it was a bad idea in the first place |
15:56:37 | ts-x | linuxstb: I don't believe that will work, but let me test... |
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15:57:47 | BHSPitLappy | is better color customization in sight in a cvs scenario? |
15:57:53 | Cassandra | Right - iPod Rockbox is now officially in glorious colour. |
15:58:01 | preglow | there's no way to verify the cache is correct, since doing so would mean opening and scanning all those files anyway |
15:58:54 | preglow | linuxstb: looks like the wolfson chip is going to give us tons of fun when reclocking the cpu |
15:59:15 | preglow | i wish i had the slightest idea how this worked... |
15:59:51 | lostlogic | maybe that's why IPL uses one processor for the data transfer to the DAC so that it can keep that processor constantly clocked low rather than reclocking? |
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16:00:07 | linuxstb | No, it doesn't do any reclocking at all. |
16:00:21 | linuxstb | And you can't independently clock the two cpus. |
16:00:27 | * | Cassandra is particularly proud of the volume control. (Oh gimp, how I adore thee.) |
16:00:44 | lostlogic | hmph ah. |
16:01:17 | linuxstb | Cassandra: My ipod's got a 220x176 screen.... :( But I'm about to give it a look. |
16:01:36 | webguest57 | screenie?;o |
16:01:50 | * | preglow checks out |
16:01:59 | Cassandra | No facilities here, sorry. |
16:02:37 | Cassandra | (At the moment I'm looking to go to a 60gb iPod when I fill my 40gb drive.) |
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16:03:08 | Cassandra | (Which I estimae being in 3-6 months time. I hate not having *all* my music with me.) |
16:03:24 | ts-x | linuxstb: Loading another wps and then reloading the existing is kind of inconsistent. Sometimes it corrects, sometimes it doesn't. What's also strange is that last night none of the image changes I was making seemed to take, but this morning the first image change did update while the second did not. |
16:04:12 | Cassandra | I tried taking one with my phone, webguest57, but iPod nano screen + crappy phone camera meant I couldn't get a nice picture. |
16:04:17 | preglow | haha |
16:04:19 | preglow | i get a data abort |
16:04:22 | preglow | perhaps cvs up |
16:04:23 | ts-x | Whether or not the image was directly modified on the player or modified on the pc and copied over seems to have an impact as well. |
16:04:54 | Cassandra | preglow, yes. Needs the current bleeding edge I'm afraid. |
16:05:53 | preglow | Cassandra: nicety |
16:05:59 | Slasheri | ts-x: yes, true. That problem is not possible to solve in easy way with the current cache |
16:06:05 | * | linuxstb wants the DancePuffDuo in colour... |
16:06:14 | Cassandra | Thanks. |
16:06:23 | Slasheri | i think the real solution would be the combined bitmaps or early dircache (i am working with that) |
16:06:24 | Cassandra | Ah, I do not the silly gimicks. |
16:07:51 | ts-x | Slasheri: Not a bid deal, just wanted to make sure you were aware. Just made me think I was losing it for a few minutes last nght until I figured out what was going on :) |
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16:08:29 | preglow | Slasheri: i think it should be reverted until the issue is fixed |
16:08:33 | preglow | Slasheri: it's confusing |
16:09:23 | Cassandra | You know, we could really do with a rockbox@home distributed build system. Anyone fancy writing one? |
16:10:33 | Slasheri | Cassandra: Hmm, do you mean with that? |
16:10:37 | Slasheri | sounds like an interesting idea |
16:10:50 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm, maybe true |
16:11:05 | Slasheri | Cassandra: +what |
16:11:21 | IzySad | hey, i was thinking about modding my creative nomad zen. i've never programmed at the firmware level. would it be worth looking at rockbox code or is it all going to be different? any tips or how to get started? |
16:11:35 | Slasheri | it is different.. |
16:11:35 | preglow | Slasheri: well, i know i would confused if i tried to update my wps and nothing happened |
16:12:14 | linuxstb | IzySad: After you work out how to compile and run your own code on the zen, and work out how to access all the hardware, then you can port Rockbox to it. But up to then, Rockbox probably isn't much help. |
16:12:15 | IzySad | any tips on how to start since it's different? how did rockbox go about starting? |
16:12:19 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, true.. but without more complex caching on background, i don't think that is fixable |
16:12:30 | preglow | Slasheri: i don't think it's fixable either |
16:13:01 | Slasheri | IzySad: yep, the first thing would be to make your own code running on the device before even thinking about portin rockbox.. |
16:13:10 | linuxstb | IzySad: Disassembling a player, finding datasheets for all the chips, unsoldering chips from the PCB to draw schematics.... |
16:13:12 | preglow | i vote for removing it, feel free to see what the others say |
16:13:33 | IzySad | wow, so it would have to go to the hardware reverse-engineering level? |
16:13:33 | Slasheri | preglow: ok, i don't mind removing that.. :) |
16:13:52 | Slasheri | IzySad: absolutely |
16:14:06 | beeble | IzySad: if you didnt get any zen sourcecode, yes |
16:14:07 | preglow | some other scheme to do the same thing that works 100% is welcome |
16:14:19 | linuxstb | IzySad: Or the alternative is to reverse-engineer the Creative firmware. |
16:14:29 | Slasheri | IzySad: probably you even need to desolder all components and destroy few players in order to trace the pcb |
16:14:38 | linuxstb | Most Rockbox ports involve a little of both, but mainly hardware disassembly. |
16:14:53 | IzySad | linuxstb: right, i was thinking reverse engineering the firmware might be a reasonable way |
16:15:05 | ]RowaN[ | so guys is there any way to fix my inverted bitmap problem? |
16:15:22 | linuxstb | IzySad: The ipodlinux people have never opened an ipod afaik. |
16:15:33 | Slasheri | preglow: i think early dircache should do that and even speed rockbox loading in general as it affects to all open().. |
16:15:42 | Cassandra | Simple really - Rockbox builds currently take about half an hour. The reason is that the machine has to build about 15 different Rockbox targets. If you could pass off compilation to volunteer machines, you could instantly parallelise the cross platform builds Reducing the time drastically. |
16:16:12 | IzySad | linuxstb: thanks, that last comment gives me some hope, i'll go check out that code... |
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16:16:23 | Cassandra | Also it'd be nice if developers had access to a pool of machines so they could check code compiles for all architectures before commiting. |
16:16:29 | preglow | Slasheri: how will early dircache work? |
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16:16:47 | Slasheri | preglow: it loads the cache from disk (when it's not marked as dirty) |
16:17:04 | preglow | Slasheri: isn't that the feature the other devs said no to when you first commited the dircache? |
16:17:15 | preglow | afaik, you had this feature some time ago already |
16:17:21 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, but with minor changes that is possible to do easily |
16:17:27 | beeble | linuxstb: there are other sources to get part numbers. without them its very silly just to reverse eng. the firmware imho |
16:17:29 | preglow | ok, sounds fine to me |
16:17:35 | Slasheri | i will try to integrate that into the next bootloader including flash support |
16:17:49 | Slasheri | easily=safely |
16:18:05 | linuxstb | beeble: Of course. But someone has to disassemble a player to get the part numbers. |
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16:18:24 | linuxstb | I was just saying how Rockbox ports have happened in the past. |
16:19:19 | beeble | linuxstb: i was jsut refering to the ipodlinux guys didnt open any ipod |
16:20:10 | linuxstb | That's true. They got the chip information from elsewhere - but more information on how the chips are wired together would help. |
16:20:19 | beeble | apropos open ipod. i must find a source for 4gb samsung nor. does anyone have a broken nano? |
16:20:38 | beeble | s/nor/nand |
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17:04:45 | Rob2222 | simple colored text isnt possible in wps, or? |
17:05:25 | zhilik | Does anybody know how the iAudio X5 port is going? |
17:15:19 | LuMiNoU | Hi there :) Is there a way to completly remove the RockBox bootloader on an iPod Color ? in order to re-use the original bootloader ? (of course if i can't loose all music it will be better :p) |
17:16:13 | linuxstb | LuMiNoU: Do you still have the bootpartition.bin file you created during the installation? |
17:16:24 | LuMiNoU | Yep |
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17:16:33 | linuxstb | Then you can just write that back to the disk. |
17:16:44 | linuxstb | ... using ipodpatcher |
17:16:54 | LuMiNoU | ipod_fw -w bootpartition.bin ? |
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17:17:14 | linuxstb | With the disk number - the same command you used to write rockboot.bin |
17:17:45 | LuMiNoU | Okay, trying it |
17:17:50 | linuxstb | i.e. ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin |
17:18:31 | LuMiNoU | Yeah, works perfectly |
17:18:34 | LuMiNoU | Thx :) |
17:19:23 | Rob2222 | The apple music database is not overwritten this way? |
17:19:35 | linuxstb | Rockbox goes nowhere near the itunesdb |
17:19:42 | Rob2222 | ok |
17:19:49 | linuxstb | It's just stored in a file on your FAT32 partition - under iPod_Control |
17:19:57 | Rob2222 | ah ok |
17:20:13 | zhilik | I've scanned the iAudio X5's PCBs: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents/X5_inside.zip |
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17:58:03 | safetydan | Are codecs loaded in a different manner than plugins? |
17:58:32 | lostlogic | they are quite similar, but go into different areas of RAM |
17:58:35 | linuxstb | They are loaded slightly differently, but the principle is the same. |
17:58:51 | lostlogic | linuxstb: love the relatively easy questions :) |
17:59:12 | linuxstb | Yes, if there are any follow-up questions, I'll be lost.... |
17:59:14 | safetydan | I'm trying to narrow down why plugins load in the Win32 SDL sim, but not codecs |
17:59:22 | lostlogic | see, and then we're lost :-D |
17:59:25 | linuxstb | Plugins and codecs work differently in the sim. |
17:59:31 | linuxstb | compared to the real targets |
17:59:40 | safetydan | Is there any reason for that? |
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18:00:11 | linuxstb | Yes - on the target we are dealing with binary images loaded to fix areas in RAM. In Windows, we use dlls |
18:05:19 | safetydan | Except plugins aren't DLLs in Windows and they load fine |
18:05:21 | preglow | hmm |
18:05:35 | preglow | perhaps i should try the iram remap we were talkinga bout now |
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18:06:09 | Zoide777 | hi |
18:06:25 | Zoide777 | is it possible to install Rockbox on a B&W display 4G? |
18:07:57 | preglow | not yet |
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18:14:43 | linuxstb_ | preglow: An IRAM remap would be very nice. |
18:14:55 | linuxstb_ | Did you see the problem with the Color LCD? |
18:15:11 | preglow | yeah |
18:15:34 | preglow | unless something new has been uncovered |
18:15:51 | amiconn | Bg3r: Now I am... |
18:15:52 | linuxstb_ | I mean did you see how I fixed it? |
18:16:29 | preglow | no |
18:16:43 | linuxstb_ | The ipod hardware revision (e.g. 0x60000) is read from memory location 0x00002084 - this obviously didn't work when you remapped SDRAM over the top of that memory location. |
18:16:56 | preglow | riiight, of course not |
18:17:29 | preglow | bah, i'd rather not do this remapping |
18:17:32 | linuxstb_ | So the sort-of hack that I did was to read that value in the bootloader, save it in the last 4 bytes of SDRAM, and then read it back at the start of Rockbox. |
18:17:42 | preglow | it messes up rolo |
18:17:54 | linuxstb_ | How do you mean? |
18:17:55 | preglow | we need to preserve that value if we want rolo to work |
18:18:07 | preglow | right now it might be overwritten by the audio buffer, i take it |
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18:18:24 | linuxstb_ | No, it's saved into a normal variable immediately Rockbox starts (in system_init) |
18:18:41 | preglow | ok, so we'll have to write it to the end of ram again in rolo? |
18:18:48 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
18:19:25 | linuxstb_ | But I'm not sure rolo is worthwhile anyway. USB disk mode always reboots anyway. |
18:21:41 | linuxstb_ | bbl |
18:23:35 | preglow | well, perhaps not now' |
18:23:42 | preglow | but if we ever make our own usb driver |
18:25:03 | Paprica | rr |
18:25:08 | Paprica | fucking cygwin |
18:25:09 | Paprica | =\ |
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18:25:38 | Paprica | http://pastebin.com/532369 |
18:25:39 | Paprica | =\ |
18:27:18 | Paprica | oh |
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18:27:22 | Paprica | now its good |
18:27:26 | Paprica | thanks god |
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18:42:32 | Paprica | mm after i open the gdb |
18:42:42 | Paprica | what is the command that i need to write? |
18:46:14 | preglow | to do what? |
18:46:28 | Paprica | to debug the simulator |
18:46:41 | preglow | depends how you want to debug it |
18:46:51 | preglow | if you just want a crash log, just 'run' |
18:46:57 | preglow | and use it like normal, until it crashes |
18:47:04 | preglow | then do 'bt' to find out where it did |
18:47:12 | preglow | for other stuff, i recommend you find a gdb tutorial |
18:47:15 | preglow | i'm not an expert |
18:48:19 | Paprica | ok thenx.. |
18:48:25 | Paprica | thanks* |
18:48:28 | Paprica | =] |
18:49:03 | Paprica | mm can you help me with read_bmp |
18:49:04 | Paprica | ? |
18:50:30 | amiconn | Oh no.. |
18:50:37 | preglow | what |
18:50:40 | * | amiconn spots another bitmap monster in cvs |
18:50:42 | preglow | Paprica: no, i can't help with anything right now |
18:50:46 | preglow | amiconn: what? |
18:50:57 | Paprica | ok |
18:51:20 | amiconn | "Colour boxes WPS for iPod (and H3xx - but it'll look a little odd on that screen. A work in progress / proof of concept." |
18:51:33 | preglow | no one is forcing you to install it |
18:51:50 | amiconn | 'make zip' will package it |
18:51:56 | amiconn | (at least for H3x0) |
18:52:52 | amiconn | I should really have a look at Firefly's patch |
18:53:01 | preglow | it wont if you don't check out the wpses |
18:53:09 | preglow | which is a perfectly nice solution until it gets fixed |
18:53:19 | preglow | if you are going to commit that, please do ask wps makers what they think |
18:53:30 | preglow | i would not like it at all, but then again, i'm not an artist |
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18:57:01 | safetydan | Okay, I need to stop pretending I know C. I know roughly why the codec's don't load in the Windows DSL sim, but I don't know how to fix it. |
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18:58:08 | preglow | ok, why? |
18:58:46 | safetydan | When the SDL sim is compile, the magic DLL making stuff isn't called for the codecs |
18:58:53 | safetydan | compiled even |
18:59:10 | Slasheri | Hmm, i wonder if codecs have ever worked with windows.. |
18:59:15 | safetydan | My makefile-fu is weak |
18:59:18 | preglow | they have |
18:59:20 | safetydan | so I can't figure out how to do both |
18:59:27 | safetydan | they do work if you compile the pure Windows sim |
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19:00:51 | safetydan | So since my (tiny) C skills aren't getting me anywhere, any way a Java programmer can help Rockbox? |
19:02:57 | preglow | tried actually coding something in c yet? :> |
19:03:06 | preglow | c isn't that hard if you do java |
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19:05:46 | safetydan | I can write straightforward C, it's just getting in to things like why dlopen doesn't work that I go cross-eyed |
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19:10:44 | preglow | hehe |
19:11:01 | preglow | i wouldn't know anyway, dlopen always worked for me |
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19:14:21 | amiconn | safetydan: dlopen() doesn't exist for win32, it is defined as a macro in the win32 sim |
19:15:19 | amiconn | Check lines 296..304 in uisimulator/common/io.c |
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19:18:33 | safetydan | amiconn: I see that |
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19:20:41 | amiconn | wiki spam alert :( |
19:21:30 | safetydan | I think it's a makefile thing in the end... I need to convince the codec makefile to run dlltool for the SDL sim when it's compile in windows |
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19:25:08 | preglow | no takers for eq gui yet? :/ |
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19:28:04 | Timbels | good evening (netherlands) |
19:30:01 | Timbels | anybody with some knowledge of rockbox 2.5 features awake maybe? i'm stuck with the id3 browser and can't seem to figue it out :S |
19:30:41 | BHSPitLappy | preglow: to make it? |
19:31:13 | preglow | yes |
19:31:17 | Timbels | (i guess its very easy but i'm a big newbie) ;) |
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19:33:12 | Timbels | Its about the Added ID3 database support. when i go to "General Settings > File View > Show Files" and set it to "ID3 database. i see nothing (empty browser space) |
19:33:27 | Timbels | do i miss something here? my mp3's are nicely tagged so.. ? |
19:35:02 | preglow | have you generated a database? |
19:35:36 | Timbels | uhm that should be the n00by part. lol. no? |
19:35:44 | Timbels | i assumed it would take it directly from my mp3's? |
19:36:05 | Timbels | since the tags already inlclude genre, artist etc? |
19:36:10 | preglow | well |
19:36:16 | preglow | it's going to be like that |
19:36:20 | preglow | but at the current point, no |
19:36:20 | Timbels | can i do that inside the rockbox preglow? |
19:36:25 | preglow | and no other mp3 player works like that |
19:36:27 | Timbels | aah ok |
19:36:28 | preglow | no, you can't |
19:36:30 | preglow | you need a tool |
19:36:36 | Timbels | i see |
19:36:41 | preglow | rockbox is going generate the database for you soon, though |
19:36:51 | Timbels | that would be wicked |
19:36:52 | preglow | just nag at Slasheri and make him finish hit ;) |
19:37:04 | Timbels | any clue on how that tool = called? |
19:37:12 | preglow | i have no idea, i've never used it |
19:37:17 | Timbels | ah |
19:37:31 | preglow | try looking in the wiki on rockbox.org |
19:37:35 | Timbels | damn, but thnx for the info! |
19:37:43 | Timbels | will do so right now |
19:38:36 | Timbels | that feature sounds suppurb so!! :) |
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19:42:09 | preglow | yes, it does |
19:42:17 | preglow | lets hope slasheri finishes it soon |
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19:43:06 | ssnajper | i hope this isn't rude but is there any new progress on the 3g port? |
19:45:30 | ssnajper | i can't wait to see rockbox on my 3g (i donated 10$ a couple weeks ago) |
19:45:49 | Paprica | afff |
19:45:50 | Paprica | struct bitmap icons; |
19:45:50 | Paprica | read_bmp_file("/.rockbox/icons.bmp", &icons,7*144,FORMAT_ANY|FORMAT_TRANSPARENT); |
19:45:56 | Paprica | what wrong with it??? |
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19:46:47 | ssnajper | anyone? |
19:47:32 | preglow | it's being worked on |
19:47:33 | Slasheri | preglow :D |
19:47:37 | * | preglow points to slimx |
19:47:41 | preglow | Slasheri: :-) |
19:47:54 | preglow | i'm dying to have tagcache :P |
19:48:00 | Slasheri | hehe, i see :D |
19:48:02 | Timbels | hello id3 database sir :) |
19:48:18 | preglow | btw, does anyone know of any other devices that support generating their own database?= |
19:48:22 | preglow | i think this might be a rockbox first |
19:48:38 | amiconn | Doesn't the iriver firmware do that? |
19:48:43 | preglow | amiconn: hell no |
19:48:47 | Timbels | hehe |
19:48:49 | preglow | amiconn: you need to boot windows to do that |
19:48:54 | Slasheri | haha |
19:48:59 | amiconn | I remember someone mentioning the excessive boot time with db support enabled |
19:49:00 | Slasheri | hmm, that is interesting |
19:49:07 | preglow | amiconn: that's just reading it... |
19:49:11 | amiconn | uh? |
19:49:36 | Slasheri | yep, with db enabled it takes 1-2 minutes to boot.. |
19:49:43 | Slasheri | and it just loads it from the db file |
19:49:43 | amiconn | Nah, should have known better... |
19:49:48 | Timbels | wow |
19:49:50 | preglow | well, it sure as hell doesn't generate the db |
19:49:54 | preglow | you need a windows application for that |
19:50:03 | preglow | whatever it spends the time on, it's not parsing metadata |
19:50:19 | preglow | knowing iriver, they're probably just stroking the bitbucket or something |
19:51:13 | Slasheri | i think what it might do is to find the corresponding pointers to the filenames from the dircache.. but the implementation has gone somehow very wrong because it's so slow |
19:51:50 | Slasheri | tagcache does that also when loaded into ram but is fast with it (a few seconds only) |
19:52:13 | preglow | probably |
19:52:31 | Timbels | hmm i miss the "genre" option Slasheri? |
19:52:33 | preglow | but yeah, at least i know of no other devices that can make their own db |
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19:52:43 | Slasheri | Timbels: yep, that is already implemented |
19:52:52 | Slasheri | genre - artist - album - songs |
19:52:57 | Timbels | i'm trying the id3 databse mode now. looks very good! only missing the "genre" feature |
19:52:57 | Timbels | is it? ah i used the 2.5 official build |
19:53:08 | Slasheri | Timbels: yes, i my local cvs build ;) |
19:53:09 | Timbels | maybe its not in there |
19:53:39 | Timbels | oow |
19:53:39 | Timbels | so ehm, if i download the daily build should it be in there? |
19:53:45 | Slasheri | no |
19:53:49 | Timbels | grrrrrr :P |
19:53:58 | Slasheri | tagcache is not yet there, only the old id3 db |
19:54:17 | Timbels | ok, then i will patiently wait :D |
19:54:21 | Slasheri | good :D |
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19:56:16 | XavierGr | Is there any intention to port the jpeg viewer to H300? |
19:56:33 | LinusN | intention yes, effort no |
19:57:36 | XavierGr | Now that I have an H300, I am dying for it, so I will give it a try, and if I succed my filescrolling mod could see the cvs. (a very doubtfull hypothesis) |
19:58:29 | muesli__ | XavierGr chaka! you can do it :) |
19:59:07 | XavierGr | Well I don't know nothing about jpeg decoding and stuff, but I will start reading and who know. The same way I started coding a little bit for rockbox. |
19:59:30 | XavierGr | r/don't |
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20:00:11 | XavierGr | the iriver implementation of jpeg sucks big time. |
20:00:24 | preglow | why? |
20:00:31 | preglow | ahh, the h300 one |
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20:33:43 | XavierGr | Wow the default rockbox font is too large for the H300 screen IMHO. |
20:33:50 | XavierGr | I mean too small |
20:35:19 | preglow | yes it is |
20:35:29 | preglow | it is sized for the archos screen |
20:35:37 | preglow | i like it just fine, but a lot of people probably don't |
20:36:39 | Paprica | aff |
20:36:43 | linuxstb | I think it gives a bad first impression - a nice big font as the default would be more friendly. |
20:36:51 | Paprica | i dont know wtf is wrong with the bitmap load |
20:36:51 | Paprica | =\ |
20:36:56 | muesli__ | i suggest to delete h1xx wps from h3xx build cos they dont fit in any way |
20:37:11 | Paprica | http://pastebin.com/532581 |
20:37:15 | Paprica | any idea? |
20:37:24 | lostlogic | I use the 6x12 font on H3x0. |
20:38:00 | linuxstb | muesli__: If you do that, then there will be no wps's left for the h3xx.... |
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20:38:54 | muesli__ | linuxstb sorry, my client crashed |
20:39:08 | muesli__ | what was it? |
20:39:15 | linuxstb | muesli__: If you do that, then there will be no wps's left for the h3xx.... |
20:39:37 | linuxstb | But I agree it would make sense once the WPS system is more stable, and we have colour WPSs in CVS. |
20:39:44 | XavierGr | muesli is right. Current wps's are like sh*t in the H300 screen. |
20:39:47 | muesli__ | there are loads of 24bit wps already arround |
20:40:00 | linuxstb | Are they in the patch tracker? Do they work with CVS Rockbox? |
20:40:28 | muesli__ | afaik color-support is already implemented |
20:41:10 | XavierGr | also why does the build includes plugins that won't work? |
20:41:39 | linuxstb | muesli__: Then please test against CVS, make sure the copyright on the images is OK, and ask the authors to submit them to the patch tracker. |
20:42:18 | linuxstb | XavierGr: So that people can fix them. |
20:42:47 | muesli__ | copyright...i am not the author..dunno if those wps are free of copyright :o |
20:43:04 | linuxstb | muesli__: Then ask the authors. |
20:43:10 | XavierGr | Can we have an 24bit wps in cvs rockbox now? |
20:43:26 | linuxstb | I don't see why not - if they work with CVS Rockbox. |
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20:44:50 | XavierGr | haha I just had my first Rockbox crash in H340 |
20:45:07 | XavierGr | Is that still unstable? I just selected a song |
20:45:28 | muesli__ | working like a charm over there |
20:48:04 | XavierGr | The iriver jpeg viewer on iriver firmware sucks big time indeed! No zoom, it takes forever to load the pic and you can't view while playing music. (the last is a problem in rockbox too, but my patch solves that) |
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20:51:57 | XavierGr | muesli does the bootlader USB mode works for you? |
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20:52:18 | XavierGr | Oh hello Bger! |
20:52:42 | Bger | XavierGr :) |
20:52:58 | XavierGr | Bger does the bootlaoder USB mode works for you? |
20:53:21 | Bger | XavierGr yes, it does ... |
20:53:32 | Bger | u're using the right port, yep ? |
20:54:22 | XavierGr | I don't think I can use the other one for that. Also it is placed on the cradle so... |
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20:55:37 | XavierGr | For gods sake I can't use the USB OTG function. Anone that can help me? |
20:56:11 | muesli__ | XavierGr check mr |
20:56:18 | muesli__ | there is a nice video |
20:56:37 | XavierGr | I think I do what the video says but I get an error! |
20:56:52 | XavierGr | Over Current! Remove device and press stop. |
20:57:04 | muesli__ | not all devices are supported |
20:57:19 | XavierGr | I am trying to do that between my H300 and H100. |
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21:00:58 | Bger | XavierGr ah |
21:01:09 | Bger | i've done this between 2 h300s... |
21:01:42 | Bger | XavierGr what's your fw version ? |
21:04:10 | XavierGr | 1.29 kr |
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21:04:42 | XavierGr | Even if I plug the USB host cable without connecting the other end I get the same error. |
21:06:04 | XavierGr | Here is what I do. I press rec and go to Browser. Then I connect the USB host cable (with nothing in the other end) and I get this message. |
21:06:34 | Bger | this is not good at all :( |
21:06:41 | Bger | or the cable is shorted |
21:07:16 | XavierGr | sh*t |
21:07:31 | XavierGr | I get the same error when I plug a standart mini b usb cable. |
21:08:20 | XavierGr | no wait, I will get the error only with the USB Host cable |
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21:10:29 | Bger | XavierGr u're sure it says " Over Current! " only with the host cabvle ? |
21:10:54 | XavierGr | yes |
21:11:00 | XavierGr | I will try again. |
21:11:10 | Bger | reset the settings |
21:11:17 | Bger | for a start |
21:11:55 | XavierGr | USB OTG port USB HHOST cable: error |
21:12:00 | amiconn | XavierGr: Perhaps your USB host cable is faulty. |
21:12:11 | amiconn | I remember someone else reporting similar symptoms |
21:12:23 | Bger | amiconn |
21:12:25 | XavierGr | USB port normal cable: no error |
21:12:49 | Bger | XavierGr yep, you should try other cable... |
21:13:00 | Bger | mini-A - A |
21:13:01 | XavierGr | great and where can I find such cable? |
21:13:14 | Bger | i don't know |
21:13:24 | Bger | in fact i haven't seen such cable here ... :) |
21:13:25 | XavierGr | I haven't seen a connector like this before. |
21:13:25 | amiconn | XavierGr: If you have a multimeter, check the host cable. |
21:13:48 | XavierGr | very difficult to check the pins in the mini adapter are too little |
21:14:09 | Bger | hm |
21:14:18 | Bger | XavierGr see the DataSheet wiki |
21:14:42 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/OTG1_0a.pdf |
21:14:54 | Bger | it should be described here |
21:15:00 | Bger | (the mini-A pinout) |
21:17:22 | muesli__ | soo |
21:17:23 | muesli__ | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=384000#post384000 |
21:17:23 | Bger | amiconn can you have a look at the plugin's code again ? :( |
21:17:27 | muesli__ | any complaints? |
21:17:33 | muesli__ | ;) |
21:18:38 | Bger | do you think that 500 bytes should be enough for the thread's stack ? |
21:20:04 | XavierGr | I think that the player is to blame not the cable. |
21:21:00 | XavierGr | And to think that I bought it for the USB OTG. Sh*t :( |
21:21:22 | amiconn | Bger: I would just use DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE, which is 1KB |
21:21:33 | amiconn | I'll take a look in a few mins |
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21:21:40 | Bger | amiconn 10x |
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21:23:27 | Bger | i'm asking because there are about 100bytes of local vars in the stack |
21:23:35 | Bger | and it stkov's with 500 bytes... |
21:25:23 | Febs | I was just reading the discussion from a short while ago between linuxstb and muesli about H300 WPS screens. |
21:25:42 | muesli__ | i am just reading ur reply ;) |
21:25:47 | amiconn | Bger: A stkov doesn't necessarily mean a real stack overflow |
21:26:00 | Febs | I did a WPS called iAmp300, which is based on Raymond Ho's iAmp WPS that is already in the H100 and H300 builds. |
21:26:03 | amiconn | It can also be something else overwriting the beginning of the stack |
21:26:23 | Febs | The iAmp300 WPS can replace the iAmp WPS in the H300 builds. |
21:26:43 | amiconn | The thread scheduler checks the very beginning of each thread's stack during a yield(), and panics if it's no longer 0xDEADBEEF |
21:26:58 | Febs | It's in the patch tracker if anyone with CVS commit access would take a moment to commit it to CVS. |
21:26:59 | preglow | someone make a retailos clone i can put on my nano, plz ;) |
21:27:29 | Febs | I have Raymond Ho's permission (in writing) to use the WPS, so there is no copyright issue. |
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21:29:05 | Bger | amiconn i supposed that it's something like this |
21:29:30 | muesli__ | Febs does color bmp eat up more juice at all? |
21:30:06 | Bger | amiconn it's strange because it stkovs after 2-3 secs at most ... |
21:30:13 | XavierGr | have to go, later all |
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21:31:15 | Febs | muesli, LinusN wrote recently on MR that 24bit WPS consume more battery. I'll have to take his word for it. ;) |
21:31:22 | Bger | and that should be after the first sleep ... |
21:31:30 | muesli__ | Febs ok ;) |
21:31:56 | muesli__ | but how many want b/w on their color display? my guess 0.0001% |
21:31:58 | Bger | i mean the first queue_wait_w_tmo() |
21:36:40 | Lear | Bger: the stack needs to be large enough for any called functions too; I guess you call a few at least... |
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21:38:29 | Bger | open, fdprintf ...close.. |
21:38:51 | amiconn | open needs > MAX_PATH bytes |
21:39:19 | Bger | ouch |
21:39:29 | Lear | Meaning 1 kB sounds like a good idea... |
21:40:11 | Bger | okay |
21:40:42 | amiconn | open() needs somewhat above MAX_PATH, and it calls opendir, which needs something about the same amount |
21:41:01 | amiconn | That's already >500 bytes ... |
21:41:20 | preglow | and MAX_PATH will be larger, yes? |
21:41:25 | preglow | it's not even utf8-ified yet |
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21:41:39 | Bger | wow |
21:41:40 | amiconn | Yes it will probably be larger in the future |
21:41:43 | Bger | okay |
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21:41:46 | amiconn | Today it's 260 bytes |
21:41:53 | Bger | this explains everything |
21:41:53 | preglow | it's probably going to be three times that |
21:42:05 | wire | hi!! |
21:42:20 | Bger | i thought that i have a bug in the code i couldn't see... |
21:42:34 | wire | someone maybe can help me my iriver h320 with rockbox bootloader freeze in the start |
21:43:24 | Febs | Try pressing the record button immediately after turning it on. This will reset your settings to the default. |
21:44:09 | wire | the iriver software is fine, but the rockbox stack after he write Vresion 5..... |
21:46:14 | wire | i try to upgrade the firmware but its still the same |
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21:55:28 | Febs | wire, did you try what I said? Upgrading the firmware will not change your settings, but my suggestion will. |
21:57:19 | Bger | wire does the bootloader read from disk |
21:57:35 | Bger | does it output things like "Model: " Checksum ..... |
21:57:46 | wire | yes |
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21:57:51 | wire | but that it |
21:57:53 | wire | no |
21:57:55 | wire | wait |
21:57:57 | Bger | Result: 0? |
21:58:06 | wire | after Version 5 |
21:58:08 | wire | one more line |
21:58:13 | wire | and thats it |
21:58:20 | Bger | and it's ? |
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21:58:54 | wire | i'm sorry but its not here |
21:59:32 | wire | im in trip around the world and i'm in bangkok and its not on me right now |
21:59:51 | wire | i will come tomorow with the iriver and hope u can help me then |
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22:00:14 | Bger | wire isn't it "Batt: x.xx V" ? |
22:00:25 | markun | wire: how's bangkok? |
22:00:43 | Bger | the next line, that is |
22:00:45 | wire | bangkok its crowdy and noisy |
22:00:59 | wire | the islands and the north is much better |
22:01:53 | muesli__ | bkk *inlove* |
22:02:00 | muesli__ | dust, dirt and yummy food!!! |
22:07:17 | wire | bger yes it batt: x.xx |
22:07:31 | wire | but then nothing happen |
22:08:11 | preglow | can i assume my text segment is writable? :> |
22:08:12 | Bger | the next line is loading firmware ... |
22:08:29 | Bger | and then it spins the disk ... |
22:08:39 | Bger | amiconn : stkov with 1kb too .......... |
22:09:16 | Bger | with DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE |
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22:11:49 | * | Domonoky made new powerups for brickmania :-) longer/smaller pad .. |
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22:12:29 | Domonoky | source and bmps: http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/brickmania-h1x0%20enabled_newpowerup.zip |
22:13:37 | Domonoky | there are also rocks, for h1x0, h1x0sim and h3x0, at this location, if someone likes to test :-) |
22:14:18 | lostlogic | Hey devs, do we want my numeric file sort, or should I trash it? |
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22:15:08 | preglow | lostlogic: how is it integrated |
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22:16:06 | Paprica | Domonoky, i will check it in a moment =] |
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22:17:32 | Domonoky | :-) |
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22:18:46 | Cassandra | What do you mean by numeric file sort? |
22:19:33 | preglow | Cassandra: sorts by track number, i guess |
22:19:41 | preglow | Cassandra: for file names that start with a number |
22:20:01 | preglow | Cassandra: btw, for your distributed build system idea, how would we guarantee that all systems generate the same output? |
22:20:54 | preglow | Cassandra: and do you know about distcc? |
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22:22:12 | wire | BGER i dont think it load the firmware |
22:22:32 | wire | but what i can do to delete all and start over |
22:22:33 | wire | ? |
22:26:24 | Paprica | Domonoky, the power ups works in h300 too? |
22:26:25 | Paprica | =\ |
22:26:39 | Paprica | i didnt see them.. |
22:26:45 | Domonoky | jes.. |
22:28:23 | Domonoky | Lo and s are the new poweups.. |
22:28:33 | Paprica | do you have a rock for the sim? |
22:28:50 | Domonoky | yes.. |
22:28:59 | Domonoky | http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/brickmania-h3x0sim.rock |
22:29:44 | Domonoky | build with yesterdays CVS, hope it works :-) |
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22:31:10 | Paprica | mm yep now it works |
22:31:15 | Paprica | i compile the simulator again |
22:31:17 | Domonoky | :-) |
22:31:17 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Any plans to continue your installer project? |
22:31:42 | Paprica | nice.. |
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22:32:25 | Domonoky | rock for h1x0sim: http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~dwenger/brickmania-h1x0sim.rock |
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22:33:13 | Lear | Anyone tried using WPS with grayscale images on a H1x0? |
22:34:11 | lostlogic | preglow: it's a new sort option in the list −− it could be made part of alpha, basically if the beginnings of both files start with numbers, they are compared by the leading number, failing over to alphabetic |
22:34:44 | Lear | I seem to get random loading garbage on target... Mostly okay, but occasional problems, of a random nature. |
22:35:58 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm fine with it, get a couple of more opinions and see |
22:36:32 | Bagder | I'm mildly against it |
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22:38:53 | lostlogic | Bagder: reasoning? |
22:39:03 | Bagder | it adds very little value |
22:39:28 | Bagder | and add a weird sort case |
22:40:02 | lostlogic | *shrug* I obviously coded it because it was useful to me because it doesn't break sorting on any of my albums, but correctly sorts several that were otherwise incorrectly sorted. |
22:40:14 | Bagder | in my book, it is in the chapter "things we can think of but don't need" |
22:40:14 | preglow | Bagder: so, what do you say about distcc'ing the bleeding builds if you can find people to donate some server usage? |
22:40:22 | preglow | Bagder: would save you buying a new box, eventually |
22:40:34 | Bagder | sure, that could be fun |
22:40:36 | linuxstb | How well does distcc work over slow networks? |
22:40:50 | lostlogic | we'll need to make the build properly parallel build compliant first |
22:41:01 | preglow | as long as the central machine has enough bw, then sure |
22:41:13 | lostlogic | and I can donate processor and bandwidth on my colocated server |
22:41:22 | linuxstb | Wouldn't it be easier just to farm out individual builds in their entirety? |
22:41:52 | preglow | Bagder: slasheri's already said he's going to remove it |
22:41:57 | preglow | he just hasn't done it yet, heh |
22:41:58 | webguest57 | please make it so random volunteers can help compile too :) |
22:42:18 | Bagder | ok, then I'm just slow... as usual ;-) |
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22:42:35 | Cassandra | linuxstb, yes. Very definite plans. |
22:42:49 | Bagder | "random" couldn't do it since we'd want some kind of knowledge the builds can be semi-trusted |
22:42:49 | Cassandra | The problem is it's kind of on hold till after I've moved house. |
22:43:12 | Bagder | if we'd use them for bleeding edge like today |
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22:43:25 | Cassandra | Since after getting feedback I realised that for it to be useful to the widest number of people it needed an architectural change. |
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22:44:11 | Cassandra | I keep meaning to put out an interim build that at least has iPod download support, since there's nothing really wrong with the basic functionality. |
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22:44:28 | preglow | linuxstb: well, perhaps |
22:44:33 | preglow | i dunno |
22:44:36 | preglow | distcc exists and works |
22:44:51 | preglow | shouldn't be that hard to automate an entire build, i guess |
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22:45:00 | lostlogic | Bagder: if you want a user account on my server to teach it to do some of the builds, let me know... it's a 2.8ghz p4 ht on a 100mb pipe |
22:45:17 | Cassandra | I'm happy to run builds on my dev box. |
22:45:36 | Bagder | let me ponder on it and get back |
22:45:44 | Cassandra | It's only on ADSL, but should be enough for helping with a distributed build. |
22:46:10 | preglow | with a small amount of distcc and ccacheed boxes running, our build table should populate a great deal faster |
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22:46:28 | Bagder | I think so too |
22:46:50 | lostlogic | would take away the excuses we use for committing and running :-P |
22:47:15 | preglow | and we dont't switch compiler tools so often that it would be a pain |
22:47:46 | preglow | and if it was ever to be a problem, distcc can be switched off until it's fixed |
22:47:50 | lostlogic | Bagder: what do you think of incorporating the numeric sort into the normal alpha sort only if both filenames begin with numeric, ro is that even worse? |
22:48:05 | safetydan | nearly done with a simple eq UI, now I just need to write a parser for eqs files |
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22:48:29 | safetydan | Basically you'll have "Browse Equalizer Settings" in the sound settings menu |
22:48:55 | safetydan | you'll have to hand write the files for the moment |
22:49:55 | LinusN | safetydan: you should be able to reuse the same parser as we use for the .cfg files |
22:52:26 | preglow | safetydan: have you figured out how to call the eq_*_coefs functions properly? |
22:52:49 | Lear | Hah, another grayscale bmp loader bug found. :) |
22:54:01 | LinusN | :-) |
22:54:12 | preglow | Bagder: still no idea about the eq_sf.S bug? |
22:54:30 | Bagder | no, and I haven't had much time to investigate |
22:54:32 | Lear | Same as the old one really, but on another place... |
22:54:33 | LinusN | Lear: it's that Linus fellow, he keeps screwing things up! |
22:54:43 | Bagder | bastard |
22:55:02 | LinusN | preglow: what bug? |
22:55:09 | Lear | Well, in this case I understand if mistakes are made. Lots of different cases to test... :) |
22:55:18 | preglow | LinusN: .S files in apps/ aren't compiled properly, they're just passed straight to the linker process |
22:55:26 | preglow | LinusN: and they're deleted on make clean... |
22:55:28 | LinusN | oh |
22:55:35 | Bagder | .c is replaced by .o |
22:55:37 | Cassandra | Oh, that reminds me - is 4 colour greyscale for the H1xx working now? |
22:55:41 | Bagder | not taking case of .S |
22:55:44 | Bagder | care |
22:55:46 | preglow | i did that and had my work deleted for me the other day |
22:55:49 | Bagder | but that's not that only error |
22:55:52 | Lear | Sort of; about to fix a bug in the bmp loader... |
22:57:08 | Lear | There's one image that doesn't seem to get light gray as it should though... |
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22:58:41 | preglow | Bagder: how is it with arm, btw? is it beneficial to interleave instructions with loads/stores, or just put loads/stores in great bunches |
22:59:05 | safetydan | preglow: I haven't got a clue about Q and cutoffs and so forth, but the functions look straightfoward so I'll just through numbers at them. |
22:59:07 | Bagder | I'm not sure |
22:59:13 | safetydan | anyway gotta get to sleep |
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22:59:39 | preglow | safetydan: wait... |
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23:00:13 | Bger | nite |
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23:01:58 | Lear | Wait a minute, I'm using the wrong colors! Silly me... :) |
23:02:24 | Bagder | lostlogic / Cassandra: you have all the cross-compilers present? can you run distccd and tell me your IP addresses (possibly privately) and I'd do some testing |
23:02:43 | Bagder | setup to only allow 193.15.23.131 |
23:03:09 | lostlogic | Bagder: hmm... I'll have to change my setup −− they are not installed for systemwide currently |
23:03:22 | Bagder | there's no hurry |
23:03:34 | Bagder | I'll run some tests with my own homebox as well |
23:04:37 | Cassandra | Lear: Good to know. I'll convert boxes to proper greyscale when I have a bit of time. |
23:04:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:05:09 | preglow | hooray for me! hooray for preglow! |
23:05:21 | preglow | another award-winning idea |
23:05:26 | preglow | you guys should give me an award |
23:05:44 | * | Bagder hands preglow an award he had lying around on the floor |
23:05:57 | * | Cassandra awards preglow more Rockbox work. |
23:06:05 | LinusN | preglow: i have fixed the .S makefile issue |
23:06:08 | * | preglow grabs defensively |
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23:06:17 | preglow | LinusN: hooray! |
23:06:23 | Bagder | now LinusN can have an award too! |
23:06:26 | * | Cassandra wants to do a 5x3 Rockbox font for shits and giggles at some point. |
23:06:39 | preglow | and i'm going to convert the standard dos font |
23:06:49 | Cassandra | Mostly to see what it'd look like on the Nano. |
23:07:02 | preglow | it occured to me that i now have a colour screen unit, which alone is reason enough to code an ansi viewer |
23:07:20 | Lear | Cassandra: Note that dark gray is very close to black in the Win32 sim at least... :) |
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23:07:45 | Cassandra | Lear. Sounds like a bug in the sim. |
23:08:03 | Bagder | or a bad monitor ;-) |
23:08:08 | Cassandra | The other thing I'd really like to do is port one of the Z-machine interpreters. |
23:08:17 | Cassandra | To a rockbox plugin, that is. |
23:08:22 | Lear | It isn't black; if I zoom it up a bit it is clearly different from black. |
23:08:46 | Lear | This monitor got good marks from Toms Hardware at least, so it shouldn't be that bad... :/ |
23:09:05 | Bagder | throw it away and buy a new! |
23:09:29 | preglow | i'm doing eq_filter() for arm for shits and giggles |
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23:10:56 | preglow | i don't like this load/store architecture thing at all |
23:11:02 | preglow | but apart from that, arm asm is really nice |
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23:13:00 | Cassandra | Eq confuses me. It's kind of like going to an art gallery and throwing paint on the canvases, |
23:13:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Sometimes though, you're just trying to compensate for bad speakers/earphones. |
23:13:36 | preglow | haha |
23:13:40 | preglow | exactly |
23:13:44 | preglow | but i never use it myself, though |
23:13:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think profiles for various common earphones would be kinda neat to include. |
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23:14:11 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: as opposed to Rock/Jazz etc, it would actually be useful |
23:14:15 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: and i agree completely |
23:15:37 | Lear | paul_the_nerd: getting good bass from earbuds isn't that easy, it seems. |
23:16:01 | preglow | woops |
23:16:11 | preglow | it suddenly occured to me that the eq has no way of lowering general volume |
23:16:23 | BHSPitLappy | yo |
23:16:25 | preglow | and that will most certainly be needed |
23:16:34 | lostlogic | replaygain preamp? |
23:16:39 | beeble | Lear: good inears for the street and akg or sennheiser for homeuse |
23:16:48 | preglow | lostlogic: well, yeah, but that only works on replaygain files |
23:16:48 | Cassandra | Paul: Or even good ones. My ER-4Ps are lovely, but the bass needs driving really hard. |
23:16:52 | preglow | lostlogic: but something just like that, yes |
23:17:23 | beeble | er-4p arent designed for bass ;) |
23:17:34 | lostlogic | Bagder: are the iPod bleeding edge builds done on gcc4? |
23:17:45 | Bagder | yes |
23:18:13 | lostlogic | Bagder: need arm-gcc4.0.2 and m68k/sh1-gcc-3.4.5 and all 3 binutils-2.16.1? |
23:18:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there any objective data on such things, or at least a way to objectively measure where the flaws are, or would it just be a matter of subjectively trying to compensate? |
23:18:19 | Lear | Hm... Getting a decent WPS here I think. Lower half needs more work though... |
23:18:23 | Cassandra | beeble: Nope, although I do wonder if the Shure E5c's do a better job. |
23:19:09 | Cassandra | Theoretically you ought to be able to model EQ settings on the frequency response curve of the headphones. I think. |
23:19:09 | Bagder | lostlogic: binutils 2.16.* is needed for the m68k case, the others aren't that strict iirc |
23:19:50 | beeble | Cassandra: do you realy need full isolation? if not, sony ex71sl is a very good cheat alternative |
23:20:21 | beeble | and there are even avail. in ipod comapt white ;) |
23:21:16 | beeble | they are very cheap for the good sound, just the cardle is a little bit fragil |
23:21:28 | beeble | +e |
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23:23:47 | ep0ch | speaking of preamp, i have an idea how i'd like to see it work in future... |
23:23:59 | preglow | spill it |
23:24:01 | ep0ch | basically strip out the preamp from replay gain |
23:24:14 | preglow | yes, agreed |
23:24:17 | ep0ch | have one place for replay gain |
23:24:40 | Lear | beeble: I think it's a pair of EX71:s I have. Not very good compared to Shure or Etymotics... |
23:24:58 | Lear | True, there's a price difference... |
23:25:12 | ep0ch | the new preamp should has several settings in it, each one adds to the total preamp value |
23:25:19 | preglow | ehh? |
23:25:24 | Febs | As quickly as EX-71s wear out, you're better off getting a pair of Shure E2s. In the long term, they're probably less expensive. |
23:25:27 | preglow | several? why? |
23:25:38 | ep0ch | so if replay gain enabled add +3db, if crossfeed enabled +4db, if no replaygain +4db etc |
23:25:48 | beeble | Lear: in my tests they where quite the same, just the shure or ety have full isolations which can be _very_ usefull in public places |
23:26:00 | Lear | Febs: not for me. Cables start to break after about 7 months. No good deal. :( |
23:26:02 | beeble | but it can also be your death ;) |
23:26:04 | ep0ch | get the idea? |
23:26:27 | Febs | Cables on Shures? Or Sony? IIRC, Shure has a 2 year warranty. |
23:26:27 | Cassandra | beeble, trust me - when you've heard ER-4ps you don't want to go back to cheap headphones. |
23:26:40 | ep0ch | the issue at the moment is that enabling crossfeed reduces volume, this could overcome that |
23:26:46 | beeble | i tested them |
23:26:48 | Cassandra | Plus they are lovely and quiet on public transport. Really reduces the stress of travel. |
23:27:16 | Lear | Febs: On Shures (E2c). I got one warranty replacement. Same story. So I gave up. |
23:27:17 | beeble | as i say, if you depend on isolation -> ety (could get my hand on shure) |
23:27:32 | Cassandra | I've had my ER-4ps for 2 years. Cable is still fine. You get what you pay for. |
23:27:59 | Febs | Lear: bummer. Fortunately, I haven't had any such problem with any of my Shure IEMs. |
23:28:01 | Lear | They cost like three times more, or what is it? |
23:28:30 | Lear | And if they don't have the cables running over the ears, that should reduce the problem a lot. |
23:28:50 | beeble | and i must say, i will stay with my akg 501 at home |
23:28:52 | Febs | In the U.S., EX-71s are about $30-35. Shure E2 about $75, so yeah, 2 to 2.5 times. |
23:29:38 | Lear | Febs: I was replying to Cassandra... :) |
23:30:25 | Febs | Oops! :) |
23:31:38 | preglow | Febs: started on your ui mapping endeavour, btw? |
23:31:55 | slimx | hey all :) |
23:31:58 | Febs | Yeah, but not much progress so far. |
23:32:58 | slimx | can someone explain me what's related to the -32 ata_init () return code ? |
23:33:04 | Febs | I spent a plane ride mapping out all of the menus. |
23:33:57 | slimx | i got this error on the ipod3g port |
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23:39:26 | linuxstb | slimx: The check_registers() function is failing. |
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23:40:35 | linuxstb | slimx: Have you changed the register addresses for the PP5002? |
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23:49:30 | Midgey34 | has any iPod user tried blackjack |
23:49:37 | Slasheri | preglow: i will remove it tomorrow morning unless somebody else comes first and try to determine ways to support the early dircache thing.. :) |
23:50:10 | preglow | Slasheri: aight |
23:50:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: I have, on Nano |
23:50:20 | preglow | i've never reverted anything in my life, so i'll keep it out of it |
23:50:35 | preglow | would probably end up deleting whole dirs |
23:50:52 | slimx | i guess yes linuxstb |
23:51:06 | Midgey34 | Paul_The_Nerd: how did the key definitions feel |
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23:51:12 | Midgey34 | I would guess they could use work |
23:51:13 | slimx | but tell me where i must check |
23:51:31 | XavierGr | does anyone know how to pen an H300 here? |
23:51:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: Honestly, I think the center button should be "hit" |
23:51:43 | XavierGr | I removed all the screws but I can't open it up. |
23:52:01 | muesli__ | its a pain in the ass |
23:52:06 | linuxstb | slimx: If you want, I can commit an ata.c to CVS that should work for you. I know where to look in ipodlinux for the info. |
23:52:13 | muesli__ | use your finger nails |
23:52:59 | XavierGr | hmm I will try again. |
23:53:50 | Genre9mp3 | wow XavierGr.....i'm very impressed....Try to open a brand new H340 from day 1.... ;-) |
23:53:56 | slimx | oh |
23:54:03 | slimx | it would be great |
23:56:44 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: I can help |
23:56:53 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Do you opened it, yet? |
23:57:03 | linuxstb | slimx: Try this: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ata.c - as far as I can see, that should work. |
23:57:11 | XavierGr | No I have removed teh screws |
23:57:23 | XavierGr | 1 in each side except the bottom which has 2, right? |
23:57:32 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: right. |
23:57:48 | slimx | thx linuxstb |
23:57:48 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Now look at the bottom. |
23:57:48 | BHSPitLappy | soak it in hot water |
23:58:06 | linuxstb | slimx: Wait a minute - I'll upload a better version... |
23:58:26 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: Try to get a fingernail between rear cover and middle pure black plastic. |
23:58:26 | preglow | hahahaha |
23:58:28 | slimx | :) |
23:58:32 | preglow | Prefetch abort at 0xDEADBEEE |
23:58:34 | Rob2222 | XavierGr: At the bottom |
23:58:38 | * | slimx is waiting |
23:58:39 | preglow | nice hint at what i did wrong |
23:58:58 | BHSPitLappy | preglow: ever get the ipod out? |