| 00:00:07 | linuxstb | In what way? |
| 00:00:10 | amiconn | The LCD takes its own native pixel format only |
| 00:00:21 | linuxstb | Yes, which is the same as lcd_framebuffer |
| 00:00:27 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:00:38 | amiconn | The gnuboy framebuffer format is different |
| 00:00:43 | linuxstb | I know. |
| 00:00:46 | amiconn | ..so you can't transfer it directly |
| 00:01:22 | kkurbjun | could you do the translation in the transfer though? |
| 00:01:32 | linuxstb | Rockboy does the conversion, and stores it in lcd_framebuffer - I'm saying that instead of storing the converted data in lcd_framebuffer, it writes it to the LCD directly, and then throws it away. |
| 00:01:33 | kkurbjun | that would be much faster then copying it twice |
| 00:02:17 | linuxstb | This would mean all the code in (e.g.) lcd-h300.c being inside the Rockboy plugin. |
| 00:02:33 | amiconn | I doubt the 'much' part. It will be a bit faster, probably |
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| 00:02:54 | kkurbjun | the H300 doesn't use dma right now though does it? |
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| 00:03:11 | amiconn | No. It can't. LinusN tried it iirc |
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| 00:03:43 | LinusN | yes i did, and the lcd can't cope with the fast bus timing |
| 00:04:17 | kkurbjun | so each copy ocupies the CPU quite a bit or no? |
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| 00:05:31 | kkurbjun | I'm just wondering if it's worth looking too much into |
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| 00:06:06 | kkurbjun | not DMA that is, but translating in a copy |
| 00:09:23 | * | Bagder can count to 9 (!) Rockbox "porting projects" to various players. Of varying levels of maturity of course. |
| 00:09:35 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I think it would at least be worth testing - the lcd_update() code for the h300 is quite simple. |
| 00:09:45 | linuxstb | Bagder: Is that every non-Archos device? |
| 00:10:11 | Bagder | that's all devices I can find that people seem to be working on/interested enough in |
| 00:10:34 | Bagder | and that doesn't already work |
| 00:10:37 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I'm looking at it now |
| 00:10:39 | Cassandra | The installer contains a total of 12 platforms now. |
| 00:10:40 | imphasing | I get a few build errors when I try to compile the bootloader for 3g.. |
| 00:10:55 | imphasing | in lcd-h100.c |
| 00:11:36 | slimx | well i've commited a last one |
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| 00:11:43 | Cassandra | (Which reminds me - must finish off the current daily detection code and push out a version that installs to iPods too. |
| 00:12:21 | Cassandra | Or maybe I should just release an update with iPod support as is. Hmm. |
| 00:12:24 | linuxstb | slimx: That last one patched cleanly :) |
| 00:12:37 | slimx | linuxstb, i've got the system_reboot function in mind |
| 00:13:00 | slimx | i can implement it for 4g if you want |
| 00:13:46 | * | slimx can do it even a patch :p it just take time |
| 00:14:17 | mikearthur | anyone in here know how I can convert a WAV/MP3 to AMR? |
| 00:14:38 | * | amiconn found the lcd_update_rect() bug |
| 00:14:50 | amiconn | lcd_write_data is buggy for count < 16 |
| 00:14:57 | amiconn | Erm, count < 8 |
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| 00:15:33 | slimx | have a look at sox mikearthur i m not sure but it may can do it |
| 00:16:26 | slimx | http://sox.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:17:58 | ssnajper | slimx: did you fix that pesky 3g bug? |
| 00:18:19 | slimx | pesky ?? |
| 00:18:34 | ssnajper | the ata driver error |
| 00:18:44 | Paprica | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=386193#post386193 |
| 00:18:48 | Paprica | wow... |
| 00:18:52 | slimx | not yet |
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| 00:19:10 | ssnajper | :( |
| 00:19:34 | ssnajper | well that's my daily update for today, i'll check back tomorrow, keep up the great work |
| 00:19:43 | slimx | and i really don't where is the bug |
| 00:20:12 | slimx | but current patch is in cvs |
| 00:20:23 | slimx | :) |
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| 00:20:25 | linuxstb | slimx: There are a couple of mistakes in firmware/SOURCES - which is why you are getting those warnings about stdin when you type make. |
| 00:21:16 | linuxstb | - you typed "|| ||" by mistake in one place, and !CONFIG_LCD==LCD_IPOD2BPP should be CONFIG_LCD!=LCD_IPOD2BPP. |
| 00:21:44 | Cassandra | Why are we building 2 versions of the sim per target now? |
| 00:22:08 | Bagder | just because they differ so much win32 vs x11/sdl |
| 00:22:20 | slimx | let me correct it |
| 00:22:22 | slimx | :) |
| 00:22:26 | Cassandra | Ah, right. |
| 00:22:35 | Cassandra | Didn't someone just unify the codebase? |
| 00:22:44 | Bagder | yes, LinusN posted a patch for that |
| 00:22:50 | linuxstb | It's in CVS now. |
| 00:22:52 | Bagder | committed it too evne |
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| 00:23:02 | linuxstb | And scored a zillion points... |
| 00:23:08 | LinusN | the only thing that's missing is a scan of the x5 |
| 00:23:12 | Cassandra | Does that mean we're likely to be able to stop building it twice? |
| 00:23:20 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:23:33 | Cassandra | Good good. That should speed up builds a lot. |
| 00:23:46 | Bagder | but I also want the plain x11/win32 versions phased out |
| 00:24:22 | Cassandra | Sounds like a good idea. If we have a unified version, lets not waste effort on maintaining the old ones. |
| 00:24:22 | Bagder | LinusN: my scanner isn't up to the job :-/ |
| 00:24:40 | Bagder | my opinion too |
| 00:24:47 | Cassandra | (Not that I ever expended much effort on the sims, but you know what I mean.) |
| 00:24:55 | Moos | LinusN: did you check the red X5 sim build? |
| 00:25:20 | LinusN | Moos: check 9 lijnes up |
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| 00:25:23 | LinusN | lines |
| 00:25:36 | Moos | oops :) |
| 00:25:38 | LinusN | the missing scan is the red build |
| 00:25:48 | Moos | ok |
| 00:26:02 | slimx | :) |
| 00:26:09 | Cassandra | Someone go stick an X5 under a scanner then. ;) |
| 00:26:24 | LinusN | it's a pity that the sim requires a silly picture to build :-/ |
| 00:26:33 | Bagder | I want that cut out |
| 00:26:37 | Bagder | the requirement that is |
| 00:26:43 | Cassandra | Why is it 'under a scanner' when clearly you put the item on top of the scanner, anyway? |
| 00:26:56 | ghode|afk | "to make the backdrops look a little better, change the scrolling to arrow, instead of a bar (inverse)" ah see the arrow did have a use eventually, good thing it was kept in |
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| 00:27:27 | Cassandra | Bar looks just fine with my backdrop. |
| 00:27:38 | BHSPitLappy | hmm? |
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| 00:28:03 | BHSPitLappy | hey, who does the web site stuff |
| 00:28:09 | BHSPitLappy | boo, it's aegray |
| 00:28:55 | Bagder | BHSPitLappy: mostly me and LinusN |
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| 00:29:08 | BHSPitLappy | http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9852/h100t1copy2xk.jpg |
| 00:29:21 | BHSPitLappy | ^ because I have not a hobby :( |
| 00:29:53 | Cassandra | Clearly you do have a hobby. It's just not a very good one. |
| 00:30:07 | BHSPitLappy | touching |
| 00:30:14 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:30:41 | BHSPitLappy | Cassandra: don't get me started with -you- :D |
| 00:30:54 | Bagder | but your image is superhuge |
| 00:30:55 | | Part Midgey34 |
| 00:31:01 | Bagder | 11K vs 1.5K |
| 00:31:39 | * | Cassandra bets the download time is the same for those, even on dialup. |
| 00:31:39 | amiconn | roflw00t |
| 00:31:45 | amiconn | I can't believe it |
| 00:31:57 | * | amiconn just installed a real backdrop |
| 00:32:13 | Cassandra | Who are you and what have you done with amiconn? |
| 00:32:23 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 00:32:33 | Bagder | we better kick him |
| 00:32:38 | amiconn | Readability goes into nowhere land... |
| 00:32:39 | | Part Myth`n`Legend |
| 00:32:43 | BHSPitLappy | I made a broken glass backdrop on my nano |
| 00:33:01 | BHSPitLappy | but I still like Technical Imperfection better, same as my desktop wallpaper |
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| 00:33:05 | Cassandra | I *heart* my blue gradient. |
| 00:33:54 | amiconn | The gradient exhibits ugly banding |
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| 00:34:12 | amiconn | I've tested my changes with it... |
| 00:34:19 | Cassandra | Not really sure why. It looks fine on my monitor. |
| 00:34:28 | Cassandra | Was this on a H3xx? |
| 00:34:33 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:34:42 | amiconn | The banding comes from 16 bit display |
| 00:34:51 | amiconn | (very likely the same on iPod) |
| 00:34:57 | Cassandra | It does a bit. |
| 00:35:11 | Cassandra | Is there any way to create an image that won't do the banding thing? |
| 00:35:54 | amiconn | You can try to reduce it a bit, by dithering to 16 (or 15 bit) before saving |
| 00:35:55 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder: http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/5890/h100t9ce.jpg |
| 00:35:55 | Bagder | "Exif header 1933 bytes long |
| 00:35:55 | Bagder | " |
| 00:36:01 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:36:37 | Bagder | thanks |
| 00:37:10 | * | amiconn is going to write lcd_write_data() in asm |
| 00:37:23 | amiconn | Pure asm this time |
| 00:37:38 | Cassandra | Wish there was some way I could tell the Gimp to create the gradient using only 16bit colours. |
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| 00:38:13 | amiconn | Setting ICODE_ATTR and then inline is nonsense... |
| 00:38:31 | amiconn | ...and without static, it's also a waste of IRAM |
| 00:38:42 | amiconn | gah |
| 00:38:52 | Cassandra | It seems to work in either 8bit greyscale, 8bit colour or 24 bit colour - nothing else. |
| 00:39:23 | Cassandra | The Gimp, that is. |
| 00:39:59 | linuxstb | Can it save images in 16-bit colour/ |
| 00:40:00 | linuxstb | ? |
| 00:40:19 | Cassandra | Not that I can see. |
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| 00:42:48 | Cassandra | Anyway, I need sleep. Bye. |
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| 00:45:18 | Xomphos | hey |
| 00:45:22 | Xomphos | i have a question |
| 00:45:33 | Xomphos | should I use Rockbox or Podzilla |
| 00:45:49 | linuxstb | What answer are you expecting in #rockbox? |
| 00:45:49 | Bagder | in #rockbox I think you could guess the answer ;-) |
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| 00:47:11 | Bagder | is podzilla any cool? |
| 00:47:23 | Xomphos | i know |
| 00:47:28 | Bagder | I mean how does it compare? |
| 00:47:55 | Xomphos | but rockbox has great audio features and Podzilla (which I am currently running) has Doom and short videos |
| 00:48:22 | Bagder | "short videos" ? |
| 00:48:30 | Paprica | linuxstb, do you want more GUI work? ;] |
| 00:48:31 | Xomphos | but really horrible audio playback |
| 00:48:53 | midgey31 | well rockbox has doom through a patch |
| 00:48:59 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: I have linux, rockbox, and appleos. |
| 00:49:01 | midgey31 | don't know about on ipod yet... |
| 00:49:05 | Bagder | Xomphos: join in and make rockbox do those videos too! |
| 00:49:18 | Xomphos | badger, I am sorry, but I am using the in-browser client and therefore each thing i saw is delayed by like 30 secs sorry |
| 00:49:18 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: because rockbox's loader will boot linux and apple too |
| 00:49:44 | Xomphos | BHSOitLappy-how did you do that? I am wondering how to do a tripple-boot |
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| 00:50:05 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: all you need to do is switch over to rockbox's bootloader, and then download a rockbox build to your fat partition. |
| 00:50:24 | linuxstb_ | Paprica: Not really :) |
| 00:50:26 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: did you manually install iPL? |
| 00:50:35 | Paprica | =\ |
| 00:51:28 | amiconn | tomal: What kind of display does the iFP7xx have? |
| 00:51:55 | amiconn | If it's colour, or 8 bit greyscale, there is no need to implement the grayscale library |
| 00:52:09 | tomal | amiconn: it is 1 bit |
| 00:52:14 | Xomphos | BHSPitLappy-thanks-I might look into that |
| 00:52:14 | amiconn | ah |
| 00:52:20 | amiconn | So it would make sense.... |
| 00:52:35 | Xomphos | BHSPitLappy- yes, I manually installed it using a tut I found |
| 00:52:40 | amiconn | Does it use the same bitmap format as the archos units? |
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| 00:53:03 | * | linuxstb_ has noticed that no-one's requested HFS support yet... |
| 00:53:27 | Paprica | HFS? |
| 00:53:38 | Xomphos_ | yea |
| 00:53:39 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: did you keep make_fw and apple_os.bin and all that stuff you made in the process? |
| 00:53:44 | Xomphos_ | i switched to chatzilla |
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| 00:53:48 | tomal | amiconn: it works with almost unmodified lcd-recorder.c driver |
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| 00:53:54 | Xomphos | so my responses arent delayed by a min |
| 00:54:19 | Xomphos | BHSPitLappy: yes-it is somewhere on my comp |
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| 00:54:28 | Xomphos | I will give u the tut address i used |
| 00:54:34 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: then it won't be hard |
| 00:54:36 | Xomphos | hold on while I look through my bookmarks |
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| 00:54:46 | Paprica | what is HFS? |
| 00:54:50 | amiconn | tomal: Then it shouldn't be hard to implement the grayscale lib. You will need a user timer (hopefully the iFP CPU has >= 2 timers) |
| 00:55:01 | Bagder | Paprica: a mac filesystem that some ipods use |
| 00:55:12 | Paprica | ahha =] |
| 00:55:15 | amiconn | ...and you need to find out the internal frame frequency of the LCD |
| 00:55:32 | midgey31 | Linuxstb: one of my friends first a first gen ipod is hoping for HFS |
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| 00:55:35 | amiconn | For best speed, you'll have to do some asm magic as well... |
| 00:55:41 | Xomphos | BHSPitLappy: This is the tutorial I used to put Linux along with Doom and Video playback onto my Nano: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5281 |
| 00:55:50 | tomal | amiconn: I will have to find out how to program the second timer... |
| 00:56:03 | midgey31 | s/first/with |
| 00:56:26 | tomal | amiconn: I haven't found anything in the original firmware that looks like second timer usage. |
| 00:56:29 | amiconn | I think I should add generic C alternatives for all that freaky asm... |
| 00:56:49 | amiconn | (just for making it easier to understand what's going on) |
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| 00:57:13 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: you lied to me then, you didn't install manually |
| 00:57:16 | BHSPitLappy | you used an installer. |
| 00:57:21 | Xomphos | oh |
| 00:57:28 | Xomphos | i thought-ugg |
| 00:57:32 | linuxstb | midgey31: It could be a long wait - until a motivated Mac user comes along. |
| 00:57:32 | Xomphos | never mind |
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| 00:57:49 | Xomphos | i used a combonation of things so I thought it was the most manual you could get-sorry |
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| 00:59:02 | midgey31 | linuxstb: I know, he also has a 5G so he'll be waiting on either front |
| 00:59:21 | Xomphos | Anyone (and everyone), please visit this topic on the ilounge forums and at least answer my poll please ;): http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147800 |
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| 01:00:03 | linuxstb | Xomphos: It's not a choice - you can easily install both. |
| 01:00:17 | Xomphos | hmm |
| 01:00:18 | linuxstb | (well, maybe not easily....) |
| 01:00:33 | Xomphos | well the thing is I already installed Podzilla, and it took me like an hour |
| 01:00:57 | Xomphos | would I have to uninstall podzilla and then reinstall it to install Rockbox? |
| 01:01:41 | linuxstb | No, you can install Rockbox and keep ipodlinux/Podzilla - but there aren't any instructions yet for it. |
| 01:01:44 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
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| 01:02:03 | Xomphos | ok thanks |
| 01:02:09 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: those instructions are fine |
| 01:02:18 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: OK, I'll leave it to you.... :) |
| 01:02:21 | BHSPitLappy | ack |
| 01:02:26 | * | BHSPitLappy runs from responsibility |
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| 01:03:38 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: actually |
| 01:03:46 | Xomphos | BHSPitLappy and Linuxstb, I used that tutorial to install Rockbox on my Nano originally, then I unintstalled it and put on Linuc |
| 01:03:49 | Xomphos | Linux |
| 01:03:51 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: it just occured to me (duh) that wont work |
| 01:03:59 | Xomphos | that is what i thought ;) |
| 01:04:08 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: download iPod Wizard |
| 01:04:15 | BHSPitLappy | and you'll be able to. |
| 01:04:20 | elinenbe | LinusN: I see the bootloader compiles on the X5... but does it work? |
| 01:04:27 | elinenbe | LinusN: looking good! |
| 01:04:30 | Xomphos | i thought ipod wizard was used to edit your GUI? |
| 01:04:50 | BHSPitLappy | Xomphos: it can also export the firmware you need from the apple updater exe |
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| 01:05:42 | Xomphos | but I thought that you already creat a firmware backup when installing Rockbox? |
| 01:05:59 | BHSPitLappy | do you have apple_os.bin handy? |
| 01:06:01 | BHSPitLappy | if you do, then great |
| 01:06:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:06:56 | LinusN | elinenbe: not there yet, but hopefully soon |
| 01:06:56 | Xomphos | i think so |
| 01:07:49 | BHSPitLappy | if you can find it, put it in the directory with make_fw (or ipod_fw).exe |
| 01:08:03 | Xomphos | oh |
| 01:08:05 | Xomphos | ok |
| 01:08:05 | * | Moos is preparing for buy one X5 soon then :-) |
| 01:08:11 | Xomphos | thanks a lot for your help! |
| 01:08:13 | Xomphos | :D |
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| 01:10:03 | imphasing | linuxstb: Did you ever figure the problem out with the ATA driver? |
| 01:10:23 | linuxstb | imphasing: No. |
| 01:10:29 | imphasing | Ok. |
| 01:10:31 | linuxstb | But I haven't looked that hard. |
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| 01:10:46 | imphasing | You got any idea what file the problem might be in? |
| 01:11:31 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: what causes the "dir buffer full" message |
| 01:11:37 | BHSPitLappy | I get it upon startup |
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| 01:11:42 | linuxstb | imphasing: firmware/* :) |
| 01:11:50 | imphasing | :D |
| 01:11:52 | imphasing | Ok |
| 01:11:55 | imphasing | I'll check it out.. |
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| 01:12:15 | imphasing | Don't expect any miracles. |
| 01:12:16 | imphasing | :P |
| 01:13:43 | imphasing | export/config.h:155:27: config-ipod3g.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:13:44 | imphasing | =/ |
| 01:14:31 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Do you have a large number of files in one directory on your Nano? |
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| 01:14:44 | BHSPitLappy | no, but for some reason it shows like that now |
| 01:14:55 | BHSPitLappy | I assumed i was in some mode that showed me all the drive's files |
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| 01:15:15 | * | BHSPitLappy sure hopes a crapload of files haven't been written without his permission :P |
| 01:17:46 | imphasing | Gah.. |
| 01:18:27 | imphasing | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `drivers/lcd-ipod2bpp.c' |
| 01:18:29 | imphasing | :( |
| 01:19:11 | linuxstb | Are you using the very latest patch? |
| 01:19:51 | imphasing | Yeah. |
| 01:19:55 | imphasing | I just got a fresh tree too |
| 01:20:11 | imphasing | I had to specify all the filenames though |
| 01:20:19 | imphasing | because my tree isn't just like his |
| 01:20:20 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: Rockbox has a limit (to conserve memory) on the maximum number of files in a directory. But you can change this limit in the settings if you wish. |
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| 01:20:39 | linuxstb | imphasing: No, you shouldn't have had to specify the filenames - something went wrong. |
| 01:20:55 | imphasing | Hmm.. |
| 01:21:02 | imphasing | It says it couldn't find any of the files |
| 01:21:10 | linuxstb | Yes - that's the wrong patch. |
| 01:21:18 | imphasing | my tree is like ~/rockbox/rockbox-all/ |
| 01:21:20 | linuxstb | He uploaded one more after that. |
| 01:21:25 | imphasing | It's the latest, as in the 4th |
| 01:22:19 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 01:22:57 | imphasing | I just patch it like, "patch -i patch.txt" |
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| 01:24:09 | linuxstb | You should just do "patch < patch.txt" and it applied cleanly. |
| 01:25:37 | imphasing | ah.. |
| 01:25:38 | imphasing | ok |
| 01:25:39 | slimx | i've corrected the errors in the firmware/SOURCES |
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| 01:27:12 | slimx | don't care about lcd-ipod2bpp warnings i have to clean the file |
| 01:28:27 | slimx | linuxstb, firmware/* ?? is it so bad ? |
| 01:29:40 | linuxstb | No, I exaggerated - I just meant that it's going to be somewhere in firmware/ :) |
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| 01:32:40 | imphasing | When I do patch < patch.txt, I still have to specify which files to patch |
| 01:32:48 | slimx | but the ata driver driver itself don't lot's of external depedencies |
| 01:32:54 | linuxstb | Try downloading the last patch again. |
| 01:33:00 | imphasing | [imphasing@imp ~/rockbox/rockbox-all]$ patch < patch.txt |
| 01:33:00 | imphasing | can't find file to patch at input line 8 |
| 01:33:00 | imphasing | Perhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option? |
| 01:33:08 | slimx | *contains |
| 01:33:10 | imphasing | I just got this one, fresh off of sourceforge |
| 01:33:27 | linuxstb | slimx: Have you tried disabling that check in ata.c, and letting the rest of the ata code run? |
| 01:33:38 | slimx | no |
| 01:33:49 | slimx | but i can try |
| 01:34:08 | imphasing | If I just tell it where the files are, it patches them fine |
| 01:34:15 | slimx | last try before going to bed ;-) |
| 01:34:40 | slimx | odd imphasing i'll check it |
| 01:34:52 | imphasing | I think it's just my tree structure |
| 01:34:53 | linuxstb | imphasing: The directory you are in when you type "patch" should be the directory containing apps, firmware, tools etc. |
| 01:35:00 | imphasing | yeah |
| 01:35:10 | imphasing | [imphasing@imp ~/rockbox/rockbox-all]$ ls |
| 01:35:10 | imphasing | CVS bootloader firmware fonts patch.txt uisimulator www |
| 01:35:10 | imphasing | apps docs flash gdb tools wps |
| 01:35:15 | imphasing | It's all there.. |
| 01:35:26 | linuxstb | Can you do "ls -l patch.txt" |
| 01:36:26 | imphasing | [imphasing@imp ~/rockbox/rockbox-all]$ ls -l patch.txt |
| 01:36:26 | imphasing | -rw-r−−r−− 1 imphasing users 91812 Feb 3 18:24 patch.txt |
| 01:36:40 | linuxstb | Yep, same size as mine. |
| 01:37:17 | linuxstb | Are you using Cygwin or Linux? |
| 01:37:20 | imphasing | linux |
| 01:37:51 | imphasing | Should I have my tree set up differently? |
| 01:38:01 | imphasing | Like, ~/cvsroot/rockbox/*? |
| 01:38:27 | slimx | hey |
| 01:38:38 | slimx | it find a toshiba |
| 01:38:40 | slimx | :) |
| 01:38:55 | linuxstb | That's very promising. |
| 01:39:01 | slimx | i returned 0 in checkregisters |
| 01:39:10 | slimx | let's try more now |
| 01:39:15 | slimx | :) |
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| 01:41:09 | imphasing | I'm looking at the patch file, and all the files are where they should be, in relation to the patch.. |
| 01:41:10 | imphasing | arg,. |
| 01:41:26 | linuxstb | imphasing: No, the tree shouldn't matter. I don't understand why it's not working for you. |
| 01:41:45 | slimx | good news guys |
| 01:41:51 | linuxstb | Which version of patch do you have (type patch -v) - I've got 2.5.9. |
| 01:41:54 | slimx | linuxstb, youre a genius |
| 01:41:56 | slimx | :) |
| 01:42:08 | slimx | the partition is mounted |
| 01:42:10 | slimx | :) |
| 01:42:15 | imphasing | Mine's 2.5.9 |
| 01:42:16 | imphasing | !!! |
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| 01:42:20 | imphasing | Woohoo! |
| 01:42:24 | imphasing | Congrats |
| 01:42:25 | imphasing | :D |
| 01:42:29 | slimx | ATA driver work |
| 01:42:32 | slimx | :) |
| 01:42:38 | imphasing | but it's mounted |
| 01:42:40 | imphasing | :P |
| 01:43:17 | slimx | i have to skip check registers function so :p |
| 01:43:24 | slimx | strange isn't it |
| 01:43:41 | tucoz | linuxstb: have you seen this? LaTeX-docs starting to look good. Henrico in the forums has been busy. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2122.msg17591#msg17591 |
| 01:43:41 | imphasing | There must be something creepy going on with my build system.. |
| 01:44:10 | slimx | do you wan't a source bzip ? |
| 01:44:11 | linuxstb | tucoz: Yes, I noticed that - it's great that someone has taken up the challenge. |
| 01:44:19 | imphasing | slimx: Yeah, that would be nice. |
| 01:44:20 | imphasing | =/ |
| 01:44:29 | imphasing | I would sure like to know what's going on though.. |
| 01:44:32 | slimx | i can send you by mail |
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| 01:44:35 | imphasing | Ok, thanks. |
| 01:44:40 | imphasing | imphasing@gmail.com |
| 01:44:47 | slimx | :) |
| 01:44:50 | imphasing | thanks |
| 01:44:51 | imphasing | :) |
| 01:44:53 | | Part Spooks |
| 01:46:35 | slimx | lol |
| 01:46:44 | slimx | it will contain all bmp :p |
| 01:46:47 | slimx | sorry |
| 01:46:53 | imphasing | hah |
| 01:46:54 | imphasing | ok |
| 01:47:15 | imphasing | I have 2.5gb of gmail space |
| 01:48:44 | linuxstb | slimx: A few comments - you should rename lcd-ipod2bpp.c to something like lcd-2bpp-h.c (it isn't ipod-specific - it's for any horizontally-packed 2bpp display). |
| 01:48:59 | linuxstb | There is a CVS conflict near the top of lcd-ipod.c |
| 01:49:27 | slimx | he he |
| 01:49:40 | slimx | i have 2.6 Go now on gmail |
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| 01:49:44 | slimx | mail sent |
| 01:49:49 | imphasing | Thanks. |
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| 01:50:12 | imphasing | Wow, whoever wrote that ATA driver is a coding genius. |
| 01:50:12 | imphasing | :D |
| 01:50:14 | slimx | yes i should thats really true |
| 01:50:18 | linuxstb | You should correct the comments in the (C) sections at the top of the new files - e.g. i2c-pp5002 refers to November 2005, and lcd-ipod2bpp.c says "driver for iPod Video" ... |
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| 01:50:59 | slimx | i have some work to do :) |
| 01:51:07 | linuxstb | Also, where you can, you should try and combine the code for the PP5002 and PP5020 - e.g. you don't need two sets of definitions in system.h for the outl() etc macros. |
| 01:51:26 | linuxstb | Just some cleaning - so we can try and commit some of your changes to CVS. |
| 01:51:38 | slimx | my first aim was to start the work |
| 01:51:42 | slimx | see what happen |
| 01:52:06 | linuxstb | I think you've done more than that - if the bootloader is running, then that's a lot of the hard work done. |
| 01:52:12 | slimx | now that things going the good way |
| 01:52:14 | slimx | i will |
| 01:52:15 | slimx | :) |
| 01:52:35 | slimx | i spent hours |
| 01:52:44 | slimx | but it does work |
| 01:53:03 | linuxstb | You now need to publish a photo - Rockbox on the 3G! |
| 01:53:11 | * | slimx jump of joy |
| 01:53:40 | Moos | Congratulations |
| 01:53:43 | slimx | i registered a login in the wiki |
| 01:53:50 | DreamTactix291 | you guys need to put in the topic "We make the iPod not suck" :) |
| 01:53:51 | slimx | but it disappeared |
| 01:53:52 | slimx | :p |
| 01:53:54 | tucoz | wow, another target on the road to a working state. Congrats slimx!! |
| 01:54:05 | slimx | thx tucoz |
| 01:54:37 | slimx | i have no cam here :p |
| 01:54:44 | tucoz | slimx, if you registered with something else than your FirstnameLastname, then the swedes will delete your registration. |
| 01:55:04 | slimx | but it was my name and first name |
| 01:55:09 | tucoz | aha, hehe |
| 01:55:22 | slimx | that could be funny for some people |
| 01:55:27 | slimx | but my name is |
| 01:55:29 | slimx | .... |
| 01:55:35 | slimx | Seven |
| 01:55:43 | slimx | and i m not a number |
| 01:55:44 | tucoz | Ok, I just thought of a reason why the wiki login had been removed |
| 01:55:45 | slimx | ;-) |
| 01:56:03 | imphasing | I can snap some quick pictures if I can get it all built |
| 01:56:12 | Membrillo | is your father George Castanza? |
| 01:56:20 | slimx | that would be great |
| 01:56:24 | linuxstb | imphasing: Maybe slimx can just send you his bootloader.bin |
| 01:56:57 | imphasing | linuxstb: That might be faster. |
| 01:56:57 | imphasing | :P |
| 01:57:23 | slimx | mail size was more than 10 Mo |
| 01:57:32 | slimx | so gmail said no sorry |
| 01:57:42 | slimx | the bootloader is comming |
| 01:58:30 | tucoz | slimx, see if you find yourself here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers |
| 01:58:37 | imphasing | ok, that'll work |
| 01:58:50 | slimx | its in youre mailbox |
| 01:58:51 | imphasing | I'll get my patch issue sorted out eventually, until then, you can just send me the bin |
| 01:58:53 | slimx | imphasing, |
| 01:59:50 | slimx | yes |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:00 | slimx | tucoz, i m back |
| 02:00:12 | slimx | or i was really tired |
| 02:00:14 | slimx | :) |
| 02:00:28 | tucoz | :) |
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| 02:01:04 | tucoz | goodnight. |
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| 02:04:08 | slimx | i'll create a new patch with corrected headers later |
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| 02:04:09 | imphasing | Erm..how do I build ipod_fw? |
| 02:04:11 | imphasing | =/ |
| 02:05:01 | imphasing | ah |
| 02:05:03 | imphasing | never mind |
| 02:05:09 | slimx | what os do you run ? |
| 02:05:10 | * | imphasing <- dork |
| 02:05:16 | imphasing | It's already built |
| 02:05:17 | imphasing | :D |
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| 02:05:33 | imphasing | I run PLD linux |
| 02:06:17 | slimx | 2 possibility |
| 02:06:25 | imphasing | what -g option do I use for your bootloader image? |
| 02:06:36 | slimx | just configure and build the srouce tree |
| 02:06:51 | slimx | so you'll get it in tools/ipod_fw |
| 02:06:59 | imphasing | Yeah, I got it |
| 02:07:03 | imphasing | -g 3g I guess |
| 02:07:16 | slimx | yes |
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| 02:08:00 | imphasing | I don't see ipodpatcher though |
| 02:08:26 | slimx | you don't need it |
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| 02:08:34 | imphasing | gah. |
| 02:08:42 | imphasing | I'm reading the wrong instructions |
| 02:08:43 | imphasing | :P |
| 02:08:53 | slimx | ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i ipod_firmware.bin bootloader.bin |
| 02:09:11 | slimx | dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1 |
| 02:09:12 | imphasing | ok, it's on my ipod |
| 02:09:12 | imphasing | time for a reboot |
| 02:09:50 | imphasing | cool.. |
| 02:09:53 | imphasing | it loads the apple fw! |
| 02:09:55 | slimx | it's an early stage but |
| 02:09:56 | imphasing | :D |
| 02:10:03 | imphasing | I'll snape some photos |
| 02:10:07 | imphasing | s/snape/snap/ |
| 02:10:37 | slimx | thats rockbox on ipod 3g |
| 02:10:47 | slimx | great |
| 02:11:06 | imphasing | :D |
| 02:11:42 | slimx | i'll make some test against the button driver |
| 02:12:23 | slimx | but i m sure you can build it now imphasing |
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| 02:13:31 | imphasing | I'll try it.. |
| 02:13:50 | imphasing | If you have the bootloader, which is just rockbox stripped down done, it shouldn't be too hard to get the other stuff working, right? |
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| 02:15:37 | slimx | i hope |
| 02:15:39 | slimx | :) |
| 02:16:00 | slimx | i think the harder things are done |
| 02:16:19 | slimx | *hardest ? |
| 02:16:38 | * | slimx is french ;-) |
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| 02:18:55 | imphasing | hardest |
| 02:18:57 | imphasing | :D |
| 02:19:58 | imphasing | Je voudrais aller en France... |
| 02:26:08 | slimx | it's a nice place :) |
| 02:26:31 | slimx | but i would like to leave it :) |
| 02:27:40 | linuxstb | imphasing: Photos? |
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| 02:29:11 | slimx | linuxstb, in source file headers the $Id string is generated by cvs ? |
| 02:29:44 | linuxstb | Yes, you can ignore those - CVS will update them. |
| 02:29:56 | imphasing | linuxstb: Trying to get my camera to work. |
| 02:29:57 | imphasing | :D |
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| 02:36:07 | imphasing | Ok, I have a pretty bad picture that will do until I figure out a better way |
| 02:36:11 | imphasing | Where should I put it? |
| 02:39:11 | slimx | linuxstb, the lcd driver is ipod specific it contain all lcd low level instructions |
| 02:39:17 | linuxstb | imphasing: You can email it to me (if it's not too big), I can host it on my web server - [mynick]@users.sourceforge.net |
| 02:39:38 | linuxstb | slimx: Ah, I thought you put those in lcd-ipod.c |
| 02:39:59 | slimx | well you told me one day that was bad |
| 02:40:07 | linuxstb | :) |
| 02:40:22 | slimx | so i changed my mind |
| 02:40:23 | linuxstb | I think the best solution is to create a new lcd-ipod3g.c file for now. |
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| 02:40:41 | slimx | ok so |
| 02:41:18 | linuxstb | But the lcd drivers in Rockbox are confused at the moment - there is no consistency in the filenames or what goes where. |
| 02:41:40 | linuxstb | (as I'm sure you've seen) |
| 02:41:47 | imphasing | linuxstb: Ok, will do. |
| 02:43:19 | slimx | :p |
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| 02:44:31 | slimx | i've moved it to lcd-ipod3g |
| 02:44:38 | imphasing | Ok, sent. |
| 02:44:46 | linuxstb | slimx: Did you notice if the lcd driver is similar for all the greyscale LCDs? Are there very many differences? |
| 02:45:10 | linuxstb | imphasing: Received. |
| 02:45:14 | slimx | but the configuration will be LCD_IPOD2BPP |
| 02:45:54 | slimx | no all can be used for linear 2bpp frame buffer |
| 02:46:05 | linuxstb | And by the miracles of science: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox3g.jpg |
| 02:46:16 | slimx | just the update_rect would have to change |
| 02:46:24 | imphasing | Woo! |
| 02:46:25 | imphasing | :D |
| 02:47:19 | imphasing | slimx: What are you working on now? |
| 02:47:26 | slimx | so it could be good to make a lcd-lin2bpp.c |
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| 02:47:47 | slimx | that just contain the framebuffer memory stuffs |
| 02:47:58 | slimx | i was correcting comments |
| 02:48:17 | linuxstb | slimx: I'm thinking that lcd-ipod.c will be the best place after all for the low-level code... Sorry if I'm going around in circles... |
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| 02:49:02 | linuxstb | We have an lcd-16bit.c, so maybe a good name would be lcd-2bit-linear.c |
| 02:49:50 | qupada | i'm trying to build the simulator for the h140 for windows on a linux host, 2.5 is compiling fine, but both the 'latest' tarball and a fresh checkout are failing with "make[3]: *** [/foo/rockbox-devel/build/apps/bitmaps/native/rockboxlogo.160x53x2.c] Error 1", that c file isn't a c file at all, says "error - Unsupported compression 4". any ideas? |
| 02:50:02 | linuxstb | amd64? |
| 02:50:16 | qupada | yes |
| 02:50:34 | qupada | using xmingw (or trying to) to compile a windows binary |
| 02:50:35 | linuxstb | It's a known problem - some of the Rockbox build tools are not 64-bit friendly yet. |
| 02:50:39 | slimx | well it's quiet a long name no ? |
| 02:50:49 | linuxstb | slimx: We are not using MS-DOS :) |
| 02:51:01 | slimx | he he |
| 02:51:23 | slimx | ok |
| 02:51:46 | slimx | i was thinking of an lcd-2blin.c |
| 02:51:51 | slimx | ;-) |
| 02:52:34 | linuxstb | We have filenames like "lcd-player-charset.c" and "lcd-h100-remote.c" already. |
| 02:52:44 | slimx | yes |
| 02:53:16 | slimx | thats more clear youre way |
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| 02:56:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: So, 20/20 apparently doesn't work after all. |
| 02:56:55 | linuxstb | Have you had problems? |
| 02:57:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. Initial test earlier was fine, but I was out using it today and the issue returned. |
| 02:59:08 | linuxstb | Hmm. I hope we don't have to increase them much more. |
| 02:59:50 | linuxstb | But anyway, time for sleep now. Goodnight. |
| 02:59:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm going to try 30/30 for a few hours, then if that works, see if either of them can be lowered/removed again |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good night. |
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| 03:05:18 | imphasing | slimx: You have a new patch? |
| 03:05:44 | imphasing | one that might be different than the one that I couldn't get to work |
| 03:06:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:09:24 | slimx | well not right now i'll have to change things to cut the lcd-driver |
| 03:09:38 | slimx | and for now it's time to sleep |
| 03:10:22 | imphasing | Ok. |
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| 03:10:51 | Jungti1234 | 4654 points! |
| 03:11:10 | slimx | see it tomorow :) |
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| 05:25:33 | jaebird | darn...i missed slimx again |
| 05:26:02 | jaebird | i almost had his old patch compiling (lcd stuff only) :) |
| 05:26:18 | jaebird | now it seems to be moot...but it was fun! |
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| 05:29:11 | jaebird | imphasing: you got some stuff from slimx? |
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| 05:36:53 | imphasing | jaebird: Yes. |
| 05:37:00 | imphasing | :D |
| 05:37:07 | imphasing | I haven't gotten it to compile yet though. |
| 05:37:19 | imphasing | He sent me a compiled loader, and I put it on my ipod. |
| 05:37:25 | imphasing | I think there's a picture somewhere.. |
| 05:38:19 | jaebird | i'm looking for the patch on sourceforge, is it there? |
| 05:38:44 | jaebird | i'm a 4g 2bpp guy...all i need is the lcd stuff |
| 05:38:58 | jaebird | at least that is my assumption |
| 05:40:24 | imphasing | Yeah, it's the latest patch on sourceforge |
| 05:41:16 | jaebird | stupid me...I see it now |
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| 05:57:06 | Saijin_Naib | yo |
| 05:57:08 | Saijin_Naib | noob question |
| 05:57:51 | Saijin_Naib | what would i need to use to look at the firmware for an MPIO HD300 and see what its made of? |
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| 06:01:58 | Saijin_Naib | :| |
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| 06:03:24 | Saijin_Naib | aaanyone? |
| 06:03:29 | Saijin_Naib | i would like to keep this player |
| 06:03:34 | Saijin_Naib | but the company sucks at firmware updates |
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| 06:05:55 | Saijin_Naib | no one? |
| 06:07:58 | jaebird | sorry...I don't know much :( |
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| 06:09:21 | ashridah | Saijin_Naib: the person to ask would be LinusN when he's on |
| 06:09:36 | Saijin_Naib | ahhh |
| 06:09:37 | Saijin_Naib | okay |
| 06:09:38 | Saijin_Naib | :) |
| 06:09:41 | Saijin_Naib | cause i love this player |
| 06:09:47 | Saijin_Naib | but the firmware is so damn frustrating |
| 06:09:51 | Saijin_Naib | i cant really program |
| 06:09:53 | ashridah | heh. |
| 06:10:02 | Saijin_Naib | given enough time i could figure it out |
| 06:10:11 | Saijin_Naib | i just wanna see how its done |
| 06:10:24 | ashridah | hm. you're going to need to get familiar with the hardwre inside it and the assembly that goes with its cpu |
| 06:10:24 | Saijin_Naib | cause they have some dumbass problems |
| 06:10:34 | Saijin_Naib | hmm |
| 06:10:45 | Saijin_Naib | internally all i know is that its a tosiba drive lol |
| 06:10:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Saijin_Naib: The first step, really, is to find out everything you possibly can about the internals. |
| 06:10:59 | Saijin_Naib | hmm |
| 06:11:03 | Saijin_Naib | by opening it? |
| 06:11:07 | Saijin_Naib | or is that last resort? |
| 06:11:16 | BHSPitLappy | Saijin_Naib: it should be public information online... |
| 06:11:22 | BHSPitLappy | google is our friend. |
| 06:11:23 | ashridah | i agree. you want to crack it open, photograph the pcb boards inside, and start identifying the components and getting datasheets |
| 06:11:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally speaking this means actually opening it up, taking all the pieces apart and scanning the boards. Identifying the chips on it, and finding documentation for them. |
| 06:11:37 | ashridah | but there's a good possibility that someone's already done that |
| 06:11:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ashridah, curse you for typing faster. |
| 06:11:45 | ashridah | heh |
| 06:11:51 | ashridah | and i'm lagged by 2 seconds :) |
| 06:12:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 06:12:35 | ashridah | Saijin_Naib: it's a little early where Linus is atm, he might be on in a couple of hours, work depending |
| 06:13:04 | Saijin_Naib | hmmm |
| 06:13:12 | Saijin_Naib | ive been looking around online |
| 06:13:15 | Saijin_Naib | theres really nothing |
| 06:13:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Saijin_Naib: But yes, identifying what's inside it, either by hand or by research is the primary step. The second is figuring out how "firmware" updates actually occur. Are they actually flashed to a chip like the iRivers, or loaded from the HD every time you boot like the iPods? |
| 06:13:19 | Saijin_Naib | its not a popuar player |
| 06:13:33 | Saijin_Naib | well, i believe they are flashed |
| 06:13:41 | Saijin_Naib | firstly, it takes a shitload of power |
| 06:13:51 | Saijin_Naib | and secondly, once they are loaded, they are no longer in the drive of the device |
| 06:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then they're probably flashed, yeah. |
| 06:14:11 | ashridah | Saijin_Naib: i must say, it does look like some rockbox people have looked at the MPIO players |
| 06:14:25 | Saijin_Naib | yeah, but on the site no build is available |
| 06:14:42 | Saijin_Naib | like i said, i am a programming noob but i still wanna give it a shot |
| 06:14:59 | Saijin_Naib | the player could be so much better if the stupid little problems got fixed |
| 06:15:10 | Saijin_Naib | and i talk constantly with the company's R&D department |
| 06:15:16 | ashridah | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050912.txt <−− there's discussions about it from about 10:32 or so |
| 06:15:53 | ashridah | it looks like we might already have some material on the internals ourselves |
| 06:15:53 | Saijin_Naib | ahhh |
| 06:15:59 | Saijin_Naib | thats the hd200 it appears |
| 06:16:06 | ashridah | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/InsideMPIOHD200 |
| 06:16:11 | ashridah | hm |
| 06:16:29 | ashridah | the question is, are there differences |
| 06:16:59 | ashridah | after all, the iriver H1xx and 3xx have some, but aren't vastly different (compared to say, the newer iriver lines, which are a different arch completely) |
| 06:17:07 | Saijin_Naib | hmm |
| 06:17:18 | Saijin_Naib | well the hd200 is a 5gb microdrive |
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| 06:18:06 | ashridah | hm |
| 06:18:25 | Saijin_Naib | dont know how much that affects |
| 06:19:28 | Saijin_Naib | actually |
| 06:19:42 | Saijin_Naib | i am going to write to the dude at mpio and see if he will send me the specs |
| 06:20:36 | ashridah | your best bet to finding a lot of this info out is to find a dead player on ebay or something |
| 06:20:56 | ashridah | disassembling a dead one, unsoldering the chips, and scanning the pcbs goes a long way to determining how the hardware works |
| 06:22:30 | Saijin_Naib | yeah, plus a degree in MEE |
| 06:22:38 | ashridah | that also helps :) |
| 06:22:40 | Saijin_Naib | haha |
| 06:22:43 | Saijin_Naib | EE :( |
| 06:22:49 | Saijin_Naib | but im still a tech geek at heart |
| 06:23:08 | ashridah | well, you'll at least need to determine the cpu. it may be the same family as the HD200 |
| 06:23:36 | ashridah | if the flash upgrades are as similar as the HD200, they're probably easy to disassemble as well |
| 06:24:16 | Saijin_Naib | how would i go about "decompiling" or reading the firmware |
| 06:24:25 | Saijin_Naib | i have a copy of it just chilling on my desktop |
| 06:24:51 | ashridah | well, i'm not sure what linus uses, and it'll depend on the cpu as to which decompiler you'll need |
| 06:25:01 | Saijin_Naib | oh wow |
| 06:25:03 | Saijin_Naib | its assembly then |
| 06:25:05 | ashridah | (as the assembly instructions will have different representations depending on the cpu) |
| 06:25:07 | ashridah | well |
| 06:25:07 | ashridah | yes |
| 06:25:12 | Saijin_Naib | :( darn |
| 06:25:20 | ashridah | you'll ultimately end up dealing with assembly at some point |
| 06:25:30 | Saijin_Naib | my best case, optimistic, and yes, naive, assumption was that it was some sort of crazy .ini lol |
| 06:25:53 | Saijin_Naib | stupid i know, but it was still a good though |
| 06:25:55 | Saijin_Naib | thought |
| 06:26:17 | ashridah | the code may well be based off a tradtional programming language like C, but the initialisation will almost certainly be raw assembly, and dealing with the ports to access devices will be stepping out of C and into assembly as well |
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| 06:28:13 | Saijin_Naib | hmm |
| 06:28:14 | Saijin_Naib | crazy |
| 06:28:20 | Saijin_Naib | well it uses .fls |
| 06:28:39 | Saijin_Naib | and .sys |
| 06:28:42 | ashridah | the extension means not a lot, really. |
| 06:28:45 | Saijin_Naib | yeah |
| 06:28:54 | ashridah | but it sounds similar to the HD200's flashing process |
| 06:28:56 | Saijin_Naib | yeah |
| 06:29:00 | Saijin_Naib | thats what i was wondering |
| 06:29:59 | Saijin_Naib | im gonna get the hd200 firmware and take a look |
| 06:30:51 | Saijin_Naib | interesting |
| 06:30:57 | Saijin_Naib | it does not use a .fls file |
| 06:31:10 | Saijin_Naib | but it contains the same other files as the firmware package for the hd300 |
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| 06:34:40 | Saijin_Naib | hrm |
| 06:35:59 | Saijin_Naib | had no idea the guy i was talking to was the main guy for mpio america lol |
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| 06:42:50 | Saijin_Naib | aight |
| 06:42:53 | Saijin_Naib | well thanks |
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| 07:15:14 | midgey34 | linuxstb: in the background patch I may have found a bug |
| 07:16:07 | midgey34 | if you load a theme with a background (%X|background.bmp) |
| 07:16:13 | midgey34 | and then load a theme without a background |
| 07:16:25 | midgey34 | the original background stays |
| 07:17:35 | midgey34 | even if you manually set the background again, the original one from the old WPS remains |
| 07:17:43 | midgey34 | a reboot fixes the issue |
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| 08:26:06 | llamab0y | yoho |
| 08:26:51 | BHSPitLappy | soyo |
| 08:26:54 | BHSPitLappy | moto |
| 08:27:11 | llamab0y | yay i thought everyone had died |
| 08:28:14 | llamab0y | hm not much rock in the box here |
| 08:29:38 | llamab0y | c ya |
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| 08:30:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd |
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| 08:59:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: r u there? |
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| 09:00:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: How about this cl implementation: amiconn.dyndns.org/clz.c">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/clz.c ? |
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| 09:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It seems upping 20 to 50, and leaving the other one commented out is the first setting I've found that consistently doesn't have a problem. Though, since the problem occurred less the longer I set it, I can't say 100% for sure that it's gone, but it's been a several hours without issue now, toggling hold on and off randomly, and testing the buttons. |
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| 10:08:26 | Membrillo | where are rockbox settings saved on shut down? |
| 10:08:34 | Bagder | sector 62 |
| 10:08:46 | Membrillo | that means absolutely nothing to me |
| 10:08:58 | Bagder | so why do you ask? |
| 10:10:34 | * | BHSPitLappy struggles with the validity of that answer... |
| 10:10:56 | Membrillo | im just wondering. i have two builds on my h300 (one is the rockdoom build and one the optomized build) and i assumed as the builds were located in different folders (root and root:\doom) that the settings files would be saved in different places and they wouldnt affect each other. but my settings are carrying from build to build. |
| 10:11:21 | Cassandra | Argh. Multiplatform manuals make my brain hurt. |
| 10:11:34 | Bagder | Membrillo: unless you make something on your own, all rockbox builds store their configs in the same place |
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| 10:12:27 | Membrillo | no, i mean i have two seperate builds on my player |
| 10:12:36 | Membrillo | one on root, and one in a subfolder |
| 10:12:42 | Membrillo | and i switch between them |
| 10:12:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: What he means is, unless you change the default, both builds will save to the same sector on the disk |
| 10:13:09 | Membrillo | ah |
| 10:13:10 | Membrillo | gotcha |
| 10:14:08 | Cassandra | Consider: The recorder v2 and Ondio SP are different devices with identical screenshots but different keymaps, the recorder and recorder8mb are two different builds that will have identical manuals. |
| 10:14:30 | safetydan | preglow: http://iocaine.org/eq_ui_v6.patch |
| 10:15:02 | Membrillo | ah, good to see EQ work is moving along |
| 10:15:06 | Cassandra | (Hmm, the fact that the 8mb build is in cvs is a bit of an oddity anyway. Generally we don't support custom mods in the core code) |
| 10:15:27 | safetydan | preglow: I don't think it was your fault that the EQ broke, that was mine |
| 10:15:48 | safetydan | preglow: I had some parameters swapped so that when you adjusted gain, you were actually adjusting q and vice versa |
| 10:15:59 | safetydan | There's the beginnings of a graphical EQ in there too |
| 10:16:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: So this one doesn't cause the background noise the previous one did? |
| 10:16:55 | safetydan | shouldn't |
| 10:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Neat |
| 10:17:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm gonna go ahead 'n play with it then. :) |
| 10:17:31 | safetydan | feedback welcome |
| 10:17:39 | safetydan | I should probably use the patch tracker for this |
| 10:18:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the point it's at now, I'd say definitely. |
| 10:18:22 | imphasing | darcs++ |
| 10:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | darcs++? |
| 10:19:03 | imphasing | yeah. |
| 10:19:06 | imphasing | (darcs)++ |
| 10:19:30 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has no idea what "darcs" means. |
| 10:19:42 | imphasing | It's a patch tracker |
| 10:19:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 10:19:50 | imphasing | written in haskell |
| 10:20:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: There's an #elif without anything after it... |
| 10:20:59 | Cassandra | Ha! One more post and I stop being a 'newbie' on the boards. ;) |
| 10:21:22 | Bagder | :-) |
| 10:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | eq_menu.c line 56 |
| 10:22:02 | safetydan | that's deliberate |
| 10:22:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, mine won't compile because of it. |
| 10:22:16 | safetydan | but should be fixed |
| 10:22:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;-) |
| 10:22:21 | safetydan | yeah sorry about that |
| 10:22:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | What should be there? |
| 10:22:27 | safetydan | I was compiling for h100/h300 |
| 10:22:44 | safetydan | actually that whole #if #endif block can be deleted |
| 10:23:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just leave the #defines? |
| 10:23:18 | safetydan | no, everything between #if and #endif there can go |
| 10:23:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | EQ_BTN_UP etc aren't needed? |
| 10:23:42 | safetydan | no |
| 10:23:53 | safetydan | I thought I would need them, but I found the SETTINGS_* defines instead |
| 10:24:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 10:24:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, trying again. :) |
| 10:24:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gonna test it on iPod Nano and H120 I suppose |
| 10:24:44 | * | safetydan uploads a corrected v6 patch |
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| 10:29:40 | Membrillo | come on webguest29. pull yourself together. |
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| 10:30:45 | BHSPitLappy | anything new/cool here in the last day or two? |
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| 10:32:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Okay, on the Nano it seems to work. I don't know if it sounds right, 'cuz I'm not that familiar with EQs, but it doesn't cause painful noises, and such. :) Also, the graphical one..... not so much working. ;-) |
| 10:32:23 | imphasing | Apparently gcc has a __builtin_clz function that is fairly efficient.. |
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| 10:35:19 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd: no... not really working, hence "beginnings ":) |
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| 10:35:47 | safetydan | just seeing how much information can fit on the H100 screen |
| 10:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: But, outside of the graphical screen looking really fun, the text based screens seem to work fine on both the Nano and H120 |
| 10:35:57 | safetydan | the nano has a lower res I think |
| 10:36:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano actually has a higher res. Just a much smaller screen |
| 10:36:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nano is 176*132. |
| 10:36:29 | safetydan | ah okay |
| 10:36:40 | safetydan | maybe I should actually test this on my H120 |
| 10:36:45 | safetydan | I've only been using the sim up to this point |
| 10:36:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the graphical screen looks fine on H120 |
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| 10:37:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, they all say 40hz 0.7Q underneath |
| 10:37:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | But other than that, there are 5 bars. |
| 10:37:51 | safetydan | yeah it only looks at one of the bands at the moment |
| 10:38:03 | safetydan | it's more a proof of concept |
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| 10:38:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: On the nano, it seems to redraw the bars again, about, oh 6-8 pixels to the right. It just draws them there for like, one frame, then goes back to drawing them where they belong, but it leaves a static image of them to the side. |
| 10:39:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, when it redraws them that one time horizontally offset, that includes numbers, the slider, everything |
| 10:40:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, sorry, it's not horizontally offset... they're spaced differently. And it's not consistent either. |
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| 10:40:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, the h120 does it to |
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| 10:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: If you raise or lower it past 10 or -10 you'll see the effect on the graphical screen |
| 10:41:21 | Cassandra | Hey, Bagder, you might know this. Suppose I want make to just not do anything if $(ARCHOS) is "recorder8mb" - is there an easy way to do that in the Makefile? |
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| 10:42:33 | Cassandra | (BTW, seperate directories for compilation and LaTeX do not get on. I ended up having to get the Makefile to copy the entire directory structure then invoke its own copy, |
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| 10:45:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch |
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| 10:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: What format should eq preset files be in? |
| 10:50:26 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wants to test out everything. :) |
| 10:55:57 | BHSPitLappy | is playback on the nano broken? |
| 10:56:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not on mine |
| 10:56:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 10:56:18 | BHSPitLappy | everything says codec failure for me now |
| 10:56:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lemme check to make sure I'm bleeding edge |
| 10:56:42 | BHSPitLappy | well, I got a bleeding edge this time last night, and it was the same way |
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| 10:57:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 10:57:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, then you've done something to yours. :-P |
| 10:57:25 | BHSPitLappy | not a thing. |
| 10:57:52 | Cassandra | Possibly you didn't unpack the whole archive. |
| 10:59:30 | BHSPitLappy | also, is there a way to retain the backdrop setting |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: If the image is in .rockbox/backdrops |
| 11:00:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | /.rockbox/backdrops |
| 11:00:12 | Cassandra | Put your backdrop in /.rockbox/backdrops/ |
| 11:00:53 | Cassandra | Someone probably needs to put a "Browse Backdrops" on the display settings menu at some point. |
| 11:01:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 11:01:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | The settings menu doesn't like me yet, but I haven't really looked at it too much, so I was probably just horribly misusing it. |
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| 11:02:36 | Cassandra | It's kind of messy. |
| 11:03:06 | * | Cassandra sits back and lets rbutil take the strain of updating her iPod. |
| 11:04:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | rbutil? |
| 11:04:40 | Cassandra | The Rockbox Utility. An installer for Rockbox I wrote. |
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| 11:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I remembered that you'd written an installer. |
| 11:05:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's workin' well then? |
| 11:05:51 | Membrillo | what do you think about having a backdrop settings menu, with something similar to a list of checkboxes and you can check off which sections (Radio, WPS, Browsing, Settings etc) you want a backdrop on. or even better. assign different backdrops to different sections? is that an idea for the future |
| 11:06:07 | Cassandra | It's doing the basics well. |
| 11:06:24 | Cassandra | It needs an overhaul, but I haven't got the time at the moment. |
| 11:06:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 11:07:20 | BHSPitLappy | has there been any work done on the id3 browser? |
| 11:07:32 | Cassandra | Membrillo, Nah. I'm all for a bit of eyecandy, but that's just pointless. |
| 11:07:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: I suspect it would end up causing a good bit of slowdown as well. |
| 11:08:01 | Cassandra | Time spent coding that could be spent improving useful features. |
| 11:08:09 | Membrillo | thats true |
| 11:09:11 | Membrillo | Cassandra: id say itd be useful. currently making WPS with images are annoying if you have a backdrop |
| 11:09:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: Use the %X tag to set a backdrop image *just* for the WPS then. |
| 11:09:50 | Membrillo | no, its more i want a backdrop image for everything BUT the WPS |
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| 11:10:16 | Cassandra | So create a plain colour backdrop and %X that. |
| 11:10:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Perhaps the %X tag without a parameter, or with a numeric parameter (between 0 and 65535) could allow you to either clear the BG, or color it? |
| 11:12:18 | Paprica | mm |
| 11:12:28 | Membrillo | that would be good |
| 11:12:31 | Paprica | which font the pod video use? |
| 11:12:36 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, manage settings is your friend |
| 11:12:43 | BHSPitLappy | how hard would it be to have text with a stroke? |
| 11:12:47 | Cassandra | That's odd. The credits plugin on iPod scrools jerkily. |
| 11:12:54 | BHSPitLappy | (outlined text) |
| 11:12:55 | Membrillo | what about %X|255|255|255| as an RGB value? |
| 11:13:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Oh, man, I didn't even think of just saving, and then looking in the .cfg. |
| 11:13:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Do you mean how it pauses every few lines? |
| 11:13:48 | Cassandra | Yes. |
| 11:14:00 | Cassandra | Doesn't do that on other platforms. |
| 11:14:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *think* it does that on the h120 too. |
| 11:14:24 | Cassandra | Oh, maybe it got changed so you could actually read the credits on the H1xx. |
| 11:14:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it does it on my h120. Lookin' at it right now. :) |
| 11:14:57 | Cassandra | Shouldn't do that on other platforms really. |
| 11:15:06 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah the EQ is just another set of settings. should be obvious where they are in the .cfg file |
| 11:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I can confirm that with an updated CVS, it still plays music fine. |
| 11:15:22 | safetydan | if you put new .cfg files in .rockbox/eqs then you can load eq settings |
| 11:15:23 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, it was my archiving program |
| 11:15:36 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: listening to music once again as I type :D |
| 11:16:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Alright. I'm just gonna safely assume that works, since y'know... cfg files. :) |
| 11:16:17 | BHSPitLappy | does Crossfeed still make people pee their pants? |
| 11:16:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: How do you mean? |
| 11:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 11:16:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 11:16:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently it does. |
| 11:16:49 | BHSPitLappy | lol k |
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| 11:17:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Okay, the patch behaves (as far as I can tell) exactly identical on H120 and iPod Nano. If it's not on the tracker, it should be. :) |
| 11:18:05 | BHSPitLappy | I see channel related settings are also still null |
| 11:20:03 | BHSPitLappy | is there some feature somewhere that makes the file browser show song titles instead of filenames? |
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| 11:23:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Channel related settings? And, no, there's not a feature for that. |
| 11:23:48 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
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| 11:24:02 | BHSPitLappy | (Stereo, Mono Left, ... Stereo Width, etc) |
| 11:24:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 11:24:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall, stereo width doesn't even do anything on the iRiver units yet. |
| 11:24:24 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 11:24:31 | BHSPitLappy | hey one |
| 11:24:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mornin' JdGordon |
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| 11:24:44 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: how's it coming along |
| 11:24:48 | JdGordon | mornin? its 9.24pm here... |
| 11:24:54 | BHSPitLappy | 4:24am |
| 11:25:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | 4:24 am |
| 11:25:25 | JdGordon | haha, shouldnt u ppl be asleep?? wierdos |
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| 11:25:34 | JdGordon | BHSPitLappy: hows which? |
| 11:25:36 | * | BHSPitLappy does the CST dance |
| 11:25:43 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: not sure ;( |
| 11:25:48 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 11:25:48 | JdGordon | (y) |
| 11:25:53 | BHSPitLappy | perv |
| 11:25:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should sleep. I have a drive to Houston tomorrow. But ah well. I only need 3 hours or so before it. |
| 11:26:12 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon and his ascii boobs... |
| 11:26:28 | JdGordon | ?? |
| 11:26:35 | BHSPitLappy | (y) |
| 11:26:39 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd: it should be on the tracker soon, thanks for the review |
| 11:26:39 | JdGordon | ah, ye that icon is a msn one... |
| 11:26:43 | BHSPitLappy | ( . y . ) |
| 11:26:43 | JdGordon | its thumbs up.. |
| 11:26:47 | BHSPitLappy | ah |
| 11:26:48 | JdGordon | hehehe |
| 11:26:51 | BHSPitLappy | scratch that then |
| 11:26:53 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
| 11:27:02 | safetydan | BHSPitLappy:I think you want the tagdb for browsing by track name instead of file name |
| 11:27:24 | BHSPitLappy | safetydan: doesn't work for me, though, is it supposed to? |
| 11:27:25 | Therx | k i know this is a big ask, but any chance one of u could guide me through getting to a "hello world" kernel stage, i.e. the rockbox.ipod file is loader, and prints something on the screen, or beeps or anything. It's the initial loading that's confusing me |
| 11:27:41 | safetydan | BHSPitLappy: it has worked in the past, but the guy who was working on it hasn't been around for a while |
| 11:27:49 | safetydan | Slasheri is working on an improved version I think |
| 11:27:52 | BHSPitLappy | doesn't work on my ipod |
| 11:28:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: The tagdb requires you run a java program to generate it, and only works on MP3 files I believe. (Maybe Vorbis too? I can't recall...) |
| 11:29:05 | BHSPitLappy | 90+% of my music is mp3 |
| 11:29:19 | JdGordon | 100% of mine is |
| 11:29:25 | BHSPitLappy | (some aac) |
| 11:29:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase |
| 11:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may not be functional on iPods yet though |
| 11:30:21 | Therx | please :P |
| 11:30:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think anyone's bothered to test it, since the system's being reworked so that hopefully the database will generate like the dircache. |
| 11:30:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: What exactly is your question? |
| 11:31:02 | Therx | i want to write my own os for the ipod, but my main issue is inexperience in ARM assembly |
| 11:31:17 | Therx | so was wondering if there was a hello world kernel which would teach me this |
| 11:31:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's a very big task, and not having experience with ARM assembly makes it significantly bigger. |
| 11:31:29 | BHSPitLappy | 1) the ipod guys aren't awake (afaik) |
| 11:31:31 | Cassandra | You know, I was just having a moment of pining for the good old days before flame wars on the Rockbox forum, then I rememberd that they just used to happen on the developers list. |
| 11:31:38 | BHSPitLappy | 2) what makes this seem like the right place for that? |
| 11:31:55 | BHSPitLappy | 3) start studying source from both projects. |
| 11:32:09 | JdGordon | Cassandra: flame wars ebtween who and who? |
| 11:32:16 | JdGordon | .. or over what? |
| 11:32:30 | Cassandra | Something about WPS browsing. |
| 11:33:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: If you want to create a full "OS" you're going to have to create your own drivers, or adapt those used by iPodLinux or Rockbox, which. It's not really as simple as starting with "hellow world" and working up. |
| 11:33:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hellow |
| 11:33:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hello |
| 11:33:14 | Therx | yeh, i know |
| 11:33:26 | Therx | i've worked on an OS for x86 before |
| 11:33:26 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: we need some sleep, don't we ;) |
| 11:33:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, don't I ever. |
| 11:33:54 | Therx | so understand concepts like mmaping, multitasking etc. |
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| 11:34:27 | Cassandra | You could easily turn Rockbox into "Hello World" for iPod. Just rip out most of main.c and put "Hello World" in instead. |
| 11:34:35 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 11:34:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: But, as a teaching tool... not so great |
| 11:34:41 | Cassandra | Still not terribly useful as a learning tool. |
| 11:35:26 | BHSPitLappy | damn, sometimes it is just HARD to wake up a nano in rockbox |
| 11:35:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: How do you mean? |
| 11:35:51 | Therx | so any advice of where to start? |
| 11:35:55 | BHSPitLappy | it can be very unresponsive to the scroll wheel, when you're trying to get the backlight to come back on |
| 11:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: Your best bet may be to look at the the iPodLinux wiki to learn about the hardware, and then read some of the bootloader source to learn how some of the hardware is initialized. I'm not really sure, though, as I'm pretty not-so-familiar with the lower level stuff either. |
| 11:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Oooooh... is this a relatively new thing? |
| 11:36:26 | BHSPitLappy | no |
| 11:36:35 | Cassandra | I've not noticed that. |
| 11:36:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Hrm. Mine's *really* responsive. Like, I lay a finger on the wheel, and the light comes on. |
| 11:36:46 | BHSPitLappy | playing music in general, the controls tend to be laggy (not badly) |
| 11:36:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, well, that's usual |
| 11:37:11 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: well, I've got a rubber skin over mine, but it's still easy to use (when the ipod's listening) |
| 11:37:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: So it's more just the general unresponsiveness while playback, rather than an actual button-driver seeming problem |
| 11:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | On a related note, do either of you use the Hold Switch often? |
| 11:38:02 | Therx | kk thx |
| 11:38:05 | BHSPitLappy | I use it when I shut it down |
| 11:38:10 | Cassandra | If I have the iPod in my pocket yeah. |
| 11:38:22 | midkay | YES. rockbox compiled. hooray. |
| 11:38:23 | Cassandra | Otherwise it keeps turning on / changing the volume. |
| 11:38:34 | BHSPitLappy | sometimes while it's playing in pocket, but usually it's ok |
| 11:38:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra then, have you been using a build newer than Yesterday's Daily? 02/03 (or 03/02)? |
| 11:39:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just curious if this is a global issue, or an "my ipod's on crack" issue. |
| 11:39:31 | BHSPitLappy | mine only does intravaneous drugs |
| 11:39:33 | Cassandra | Ah, you mean turn Hold off and it stays held in Rockbox? |
| 11:39:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 11:39:40 | BHSPitLappy | ^ a sign of my late-night spelling |
| 11:39:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: That's *exactly* what I mean. |
| 11:39:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just making sure it's not my problem. It's a result of the UDelay change. |
| 11:40:12 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: does it come back? |
| 11:40:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least, it seemed to be, but it's nice to be sure |
| 11:40:21 | BHSPitLappy | because I was just tempted to try, thanks a lot |
| 11:40:21 | Cassandra | Yep, it's bugtastic alright. |
| 11:40:22 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 11:40:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Yeah. Basically, when you turn hold on, then turn it off a few seconds later, it'll stay held for an indeterminate amount of time / button presses |
| 11:40:52 | BHSPitLappy | still not back yet... |
| 11:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: I'm pretty sure I've found a safe value though, that's still much lower than the dual 250s iPodLinux was using |
| 11:41:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: If you want to give up, hard reset still works. ;-) |
| 11:41:13 | BHSPitLappy | i did, |
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| 11:43:17 | BHSPitLappy | so, I know midi pretty much "just doesn't work", but when I try it, is it freezing or just doing something that takes FOREVER? |
| 11:46:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | FOREVER |
| 11:46:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, it may just freeze on iPod |
| 11:46:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really couldn't say |
| 11:46:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does eventually end on iRivers. |
| 11:47:07 | Cassandra | It does on the iPod too. |
| 11:47:12 | BHSPitLappy | I could play midis on my pocketpc, with a software-based player |
| 11:47:25 | * | Cassandra idly wonders why iPod Rockbox hasn't yet been /.ed. |
| 11:47:27 | BHSPitLappy | timidi i think |
| 11:47:37 | BHSPitLappy | Cassandra: is it a bad thing? |
| 11:47:41 | JdGordon | coz no1 has told em? |
| 11:48:00 | Cassandra | Nope, not a bad thing at all. |
| 11:48:04 | BHSPitLappy | :D |
| 11:48:09 | BHSPitLappy | has it been "dugg" |
| 11:48:15 | Cassandra | Since the server will undergo /. effect when it does happen. |
| 11:48:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: The ipod / iriver would still BE a software based player |
| 11:48:26 | Cassandra | We're all over the iPod sites. |
| 11:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: The problem is the codec architecture isn't really suited to handle midi/mod/anything of that general category/family/whatever, if I understand correctly. |
| 11:48:55 | JdGordon | what r they ipl ppl saying? |
| 11:49:42 | BHSPitLappy | about? |
| 11:49:47 | Cassandra | Just "it's there, it looks pretty nifty". |
| 11:50:09 | BHSPitLappy | the two projects have different goals, they aren't rivals or anything |
| 11:50:24 | JdGordon | ok |
| 11:50:28 | Membrillo | what goals do RB have and the same for IPL? |
| 11:50:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | RB == Make it the best music player it can be. |
| 11:50:44 | ashridah | doesn't the ipl bootloader allow them to boot all three, if suitably modified? |
| 11:50:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | IPL == Run Linux as best we can on it |
| 11:50:47 | BHSPitLappy | RB = superior, full functional music player |
| 11:50:54 | BHSPitLappy | pretty much what paul said |
| 11:51:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: ipl loader 2 does. RB's loader also allows both to be run. |
| 11:51:09 | Membrillo | IPL == do as much as it can? RB == As much as it can but focused on music? |
| 11:51:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, yes. |
| 11:51:29 | Membrillo | fair enough |
| 11:51:30 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: 'both' i mean running ipl, original firmware and rockbox. |
| 11:51:34 | BHSPitLappy | Membrillo: iPL isn't trying to make a superior music player |
| 11:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Yes. |
| 11:51:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: So did I. |
| 11:51:44 | Membrillo | i guess Rb also has a stronger focus on stability and usability |
| 11:51:52 | BHSPitLappy | it's a development platform, I guess |
| 11:52:10 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: we clearly have different definitions of 'both' |
| 11:52:12 | ashridah | :) |
| 11:52:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: I've already successfully booted iPodLinux on my nano using the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 11:52:32 | * | BHSPitLappy concurs... |
| 11:52:34 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah. cool. |
| 11:52:38 | JdGordon | any1 got a good backdrop image? |
| 11:52:50 | ashridah | but can all three co-exist, or does one need to overwrite one to get the other? |
| 11:52:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, "both" meant "rockbox and ipodlinux" in my statement, because I assumed Retail was kinda a given. ;-) |
| 11:52:57 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: ipodloader2 is also much slower than the rbloader atm, too |
| 11:53:06 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: coexist |
| 11:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: All three co-exist great. You just need a small ext2 partition for the linux file system |
| 11:53:17 | Cassandra | Shouldn't be hard. What I can't really understand is why anyone would want to have Linux run on their iPod. |
| 11:53:23 | BHSPitLappy | :/ |
| 11:53:35 | BHSPitLappy | "because it pwnz?" |
| 11:53:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: After trying iPodlinux, I kinda felt the same way. |
| 11:53:39 | ashridah | Cassandra: geekage bragging rights |
| 11:53:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's more of "proving linux can run on anything" than anything else |
| 11:53:55 | ashridah | although i admit that's about it |
| 11:54:08 | ashridah | someone asked me why i didn't get an ipod, given that i like linux |
| 11:54:10 | midkay | sigh, damnit.. anyone able to help w/ gcc4.0.2 compile errors? |
| 11:54:11 | BHSPitLappy | personally, I just -have- to be able to watch videos on my nano :) |
| 11:54:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I ever met someone who said "You, look at this, my iPod has Linux on it" I know I can say "Yeah, I tried that. Then I found something better. Ever heard of Rockbox...?" |
| 11:54:29 | BHSPitLappy | ashridah: it's not bragging rights to me at all, I keep quiet about it |
| 11:54:39 | ashridah | the iriver played oggs, and at the time, ipl hadn't got audio at all |
| 11:54:52 | ashridah | (and rockbox sure hadn't been ported) |
| 11:55:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I wasn't interested in iPods until the Nano was clearly in a collision course with Rockbox |
| 11:55:23 | Cassandra | It has to be said, I never got the point of Rockbox video support either. |
| 11:55:51 | BHSPitLappy | how can there be a point to something that's not there? |
| 11:55:51 | JdGordon | wha??? y not? |
| 11:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: I do have *one* music video, I wish I could carry around with me on it. |
| 11:56:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The song's just not the same without the vikings. |
| 11:56:33 | BHSPitLappy | I have a handful of videos me and my friends like to watch at school, on my nano |
| 11:56:38 | Cassandra | BHSPitLappy, Rockbox has video support on the Archos platform. |
| 11:56:42 | JdGordon | if rb could play vids then there really would be no reason for the orig fw... |
| 11:56:44 | BHSPitLappy | Cassandra: oh. |
| 11:57:17 | Membrillo | i didnt know nanos had colour screens... |
| 11:57:23 | JdGordon | not that i have any vids on my h300 anyway... |
| 11:57:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: I think for the most part, I side with you. But then, Doom is just about as pointless, in the end. Or Rockboy. :) |
| 11:57:51 | * | Cassandra has never used Doom or Rockboy either. |
| 11:57:51 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: not when uni starts in 3 weeks :D |
| 11:57:52 | Membrillo | doom is pretty impressive |
| 11:57:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: yes, 176*132 of 16bpp |
| 11:58:04 | JdGordon | does it work properly yet? |
| 11:58:10 | Membrillo | it works remarkably well |
| 11:58:21 | Membrillo | very well |
| 11:58:25 | JdGordon | where can i get the .rock for h300? |
| 11:58:36 | muesli__ | you need that build |
| 11:58:38 | crwl | is somebody going to port doom for the h100 lcd? :) |
| 11:58:39 | Membrillo | you have to download a special build at the moment |
| 11:58:46 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 11:58:46 | Cassandra | I think it's still a custom Rockbox build. |
| 11:58:48 | muesli__ | .rock only wont help |
| 11:58:58 | JdGordon | bugger it then.. ill wait |
| 11:59:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are there keys for iPod yet |
| 11:59:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't want to have to go through all that jazz because I forgot to save my modifications... |
| 11:59:27 | JdGordon | Membrillo: hows ur rb updater proggy going? |
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| 12:00:10 | Membrillo | i cant get the optimized build with the current URL. I dont think there is anything i can do about it. i think its a problem connecting to the Linux server which is disapointing |
| 12:00:21 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: how's your [insert project here] going |
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| 12:00:37 | Membrillo | if someone creates a mirror then i can link to that but otherwise i dont know what else to do |
| 12:00:45 | JdGordon | hmm.. ok.. have u done it so it can skip files in the zip yet? |
| 12:01:00 | JdGordon | BHSPitLappy: [insert project here] is going good... not much happening tho atm |
| 12:01:16 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: elaborate :) |
| 12:01:18 | Membrillo | nah, i havent, but i can get that done in half an hour when i find some time |
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| 12:02:37 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:03:05 | Membrillo | hows the ipod video port progressing? |
| 12:03:14 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: do you know what the story is with rockbox in relation to the ipod's battery? |
| 12:03:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: What do you mean exactly? |
| 12:04:01 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: what's holding it back? |
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| 12:04:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Well, the first step would be figuring out how to not run the processor at the full 75mhz all the time. |
| 12:05:04 | JdGordon | does any1 know where the status bar drawing code is for the wps? |
| 12:05:11 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: does yours report the status correctly? |
| 12:05:14 | JdGordon | not status abr.. progress bar |
| 12:05:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 12:05:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should say 11mhz, if I recall |
| 12:05:47 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: mHz as a unit for battery power??? |
| 12:05:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, no |
| 12:06:02 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 12:06:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought you were talking about concerns relating to improving the life, not displaying it. |
| 12:06:15 | BHSPitLappy | k |
| 12:06:30 | BHSPitLappy | always makes me uncomfortable, not knowing |
| 12:06:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking "Man, I thought 7 and a half hours was pretty good for Q8 ogg on a first unoptimized run, without even volume control" |
| 12:06:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 12:07:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for the battery display, no clue honestly |
| 12:07:54 | BHSPitLappy | isn't that one of the things that should have been snagged from iPL? :P |
| 12:08:05 | BHSPitLappy | damn, 5am |
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| 12:08:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | For all I know one or both of them, have looked at it and said "Simple, but it'll take a little bit. I think I'll spend my time trying to figure out something non-cosmetic that requires effort" and gone on about their business. |
| 12:08:36 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
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| 12:08:53 | BHSPitLappy | I'll be sure to throw hints at them when I see them ;) |
| 12:09:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, that being said, if iPodLinux already does it, maybe it's something I can try to adapt. Though, I won't be available for about the next 16 hours after I sign off. |
| 12:09:33 | BHSPitLappy | mmhmm |
| 12:09:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have the day off, which means "3 hour drive, lots of dice rolling, 3 hour return trip" |
| 12:09:57 | BHSPitLappy | where do you live, where houston's 3 hr away? |
| 12:10:00 | BHSPitLappy | austin? |
| 12:10:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Austin |
| 12:10:04 | BHSPitLappy | coo |
| 12:10:09 | BHSPitLappy | i win |
| 12:10:23 | BHSPitLappy | crazy drivers, that Austin... |
| 12:10:32 | BHSPitLappy | ;) |
| 12:10:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | hehehe |
| 12:11:12 | BHSPitLappy | to me, austin's just a marker on the road to san antonio |
| 12:11:45 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: did you see any of the business today with that podzillanano guy |
| 12:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. What happened? |
| 12:12:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You in Dallas then? |
| 12:12:47 | BHSPitLappy | www.podzillanano.com |
| 12:12:49 | BHSPitLappy | pretty much |
| 12:12:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well that whole DFW mass. |
| 12:12:53 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 12:13:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | UT? |
| 12:13:01 | BHSPitLappy | D me FW |
| 12:13:02 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
| 12:13:06 | BHSPitLappy | HS :) |
| 12:13:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 12:13:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 12:13:15 | BHSPitLappy | but UNT ;) |
| 12:14:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Podzilla is based on unix and written completly in binary and hextradecimal." |
| 12:14:14 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: I think the About page is enough to get an idea on that site, though it's worth reading every little bit |
| 12:14:16 | BHSPitLappy | mmhmm |
| 12:14:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The about page is where I went first. :) |
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| 12:15:12 | BHSPitLappy | http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ <-if you care about the drama that ensued |
| 12:15:44 | BHSPitLappy | basically imp. and davidc broke him tonight |
| 12:16:23 | mirak | there is doom on H300 ? |
| 12:16:42 | BHSPitLappy | oh, and you should see what he'd done to our wiki: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Podzilla&diff=7619&oldid=7618 |
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| 12:18:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maaaaan |
| 12:18:29 | BHSPitLappy | yeaaahh |
| 12:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if he'll try to claim Rockbox next. |
| 12:18:35 | BHSPitLappy | heh. |
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| 12:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did he actually con anyone, or was this him setting up to? |
| 12:20:30 | BHSPitLappy | pre-emptive |
| 12:20:46 | BHSPitLappy | you should see the exchange of e-mails |
| 12:20:49 | Cassandra | What an asshole. |
| 12:20:50 | BHSPitLappy | check out the logs |
| 12:20:58 | BHSPitLappy | and grep around for pastebin links |
| 12:21:41 | BHSPitLappy | his final claim was "Hey, Im, really sorry. I tried to replace the PortalPlayers processor in my nano with a broadcom one, and My Nano wont close, and is running on an external hard drive, but yes it does run a modified version of your software. I'm really sorry, yes I rerwote it in Binary and Hexadecimal, I couldnt afford anything else. I just want to help out with the dev team, I can really get it to play Compressed MPEG-2's, with Broadcoms BCM741 |
| 12:21:41 | BHSPitLappy | 1, its just quite large. I could help program podzilla to work with compressed video, I know just about everything there is to know about video. Yours Sincerely, Alexander Turner" |
| 12:21:53 | BHSPitLappy | sorry about flooding there... |
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| 12:23:24 | Cassandra | Well, he's got balls. |
| 12:23:29 | Cassandra | Shame about the lack of brains. |
| 12:23:40 | BHSPitLappy | mmhmm |
| 12:24:05 | BHSPitLappy | did you catch all the stuff about not using uClinux, but instead a custom made gnome kernel |
| 12:24:17 | BHSPitLappy | (why not a KDE kernel? :P) |
| 12:25:00 | Cassandra | KDE is slower. You can't accerate a 16Mz processor all the way to 75Mhz if you use KDE. Everyone knows that. |
| 12:25:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | "I couldn't afford anything else?" |
| 12:25:50 | BHSPitLappy | mmhmm |
| 12:25:59 | BHSPitLappy | don't bother trying to explain it |
| 12:26:09 | bluey | what happened to this neuros player |
| 12:26:23 | BHSPitLappy | oh, and his demo video is pure straight podzilla. |
| 12:26:32 | BHSPitLappy | I'll hold that to any amount of money. |
| 12:27:15 | Cassandra | I'd have been shocked if it were anything else. He doesn't know the first thing about computers. |
| 12:27:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a hard time believing that page is a real scam, it's so bad. |
| 12:28:16 | BHSPitLappy | nobody can say for sure what it really is. the basic theory is this kid keeps your money and ipod, good deal. |
| 12:28:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 12:28:57 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
| 12:29:18 | BHSPitLappy | so can I make playlists of my iPod's music, for rockbox use? |
| 12:29:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | He's got some guts though. Editing the wiki right there in plain site |
| 12:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: If you mean, playlists of the MXRQ.mp3 or whatever, yeah, should be no reason why you can't. |
| 12:30:05 | Cassandra | Not really. You can install the music in the Rockbox way then use foo_pod to generate an iTunesDB for it. |
| 12:30:06 | BHSPitLappy | how does the Make Playlist stuff in the menu work? |
| 12:30:11 | ashridah | at what time/date in those logs did this occur, btw? |
| 12:30:19 | Cassandra | (Except it doesn't seem to work on the Nano.) |
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| 12:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: If you open the main menu and choose "Make playlist" if recursive on, it'll just make a playlist one level above (If you're in /music, it'll be in root) named after the folder you're in, of all music it contains, recursively. (Music.m3u containing, well, everything) |
| 12:31:09 | billiob | hi all |
| 12:31:42 | billiob | do you have issues with rockboy and zelda ? (the player shuts down) |
| 12:31:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you've already got music playing, it's in a playlist in ram, that you can save. You can also add folders or individual songs to that playlist by long-pressing select on them, and choosing the appropriate action. (Queue means they'll vanish once played, insert means they're actually added, iiuc) |
| 12:32:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | billiob: A few questions: Which Zelda, which player? |
| 12:32:25 | BHSPitLappy | k, well thanks for everything, I've reached my wit's end tonight, I gotta retire (you too, paul :P) |
| 12:32:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should soon. |
| 12:32:37 | bluey | anyone knows where to get super.fi 3 in europe? |
| 12:32:51 | billiob | Paul_The_Nerd, iriver h120, Link's awakening |
| 12:33:10 | BHSPitLappy | (w00t ^) |
| 12:33:43 | Therx | how do i get ipl to boot with the rockbox loader? it comes up with a checksum error... is there anything i need to do with the linux.bin |
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| 12:34:45 | mirak | BHSPitLappy this are jokes ? |
| 12:35:13 | billiob | it shuts down only with this game. both with a french version and an english version; no issues with other games. it shuts down when playing, at roughly the same place |
| 12:36:09 | Therx | noone? |
| 12:37:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | billiob: DX or normal? |
| 12:37:13 | billiob | normal |
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| 12:37:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: Nobody who would know in enough detail is around. |
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| 12:38:14 | Therx | linuxstb would know... ah just in time |
| 12:38:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | billiob: Hrm. Odds are I can't help with this issue, but where in the game does it crash? |
| 12:38:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: That's possibly his auto-reconnect. |
| 12:38:42 | Therx | hmm |
| 12:38:58 | billiob | Paul_The_Nerd, at the beginning, at the beach, before getting the sword |
| 12:41:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm. I wonder if it's a bug specifically in rockboy, or something that was in gnuboy. It's not really something I could comment on though. |
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| 12:42:20 | billiob | Paul_The_Nerd, ok |
| 12:43:12 | Therx | Paul_The_Nerd, could you guess? |
| 12:44:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: Well, for one thing are you sure you've got the right linux.bin for your iPod? Try redownloading it, or perhaps even downloading a version from about a month ago (I tried it, and had it work, around about the 7th of january if I recall on my Nano, but removed it a while ago) |
| 12:45:27 | Therx | so i get the kernel from ipodlinux.org/builds/ - no special kernel for nano? |
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| 12:46:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: Did you get the nightly build? |
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| 12:46:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://ipodlinux.org/builds/2006-02-03-kernel.bin.gz |
| 12:47:04 | Therx | i'd thought so... |
| 12:47:06 | Therx | tries again |
| 12:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I accidentally overwrote mine with an older kernel, because one of the other packages (I think the filesystem one) contains a very old kernel |
| 12:47:55 | Therx | and i call that rockbox.ipod? |
| 12:47:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 12:48:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | You leave it kernel.bin |
| 12:48:11 | Therx | ah |
| 12:48:14 | Therx | there was the mistake |
| 12:48:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | What you do is hold the Play/Pause button. |
| 12:48:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | From inside rockbox shut down the unit by holding play/pause |
| 12:48:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, tap select to turn it on, and *immediately* hold play/pause until it says loading linux |
| 12:49:56 | Therx | ah k |
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| 12:54:35 | Therx | k, that boots then gives errors |
| 12:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | What specifically? |
| 12:57:27 | Therx | hard to tell... |
| 12:58:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, what's the last message on the screen? |
| 12:59:04 | Therx | command: podzilla |
| 12:59:12 | Therx | and there's no such device as well |
| 12:59:23 | Therx | but i'm just gonna try another ipl build i've got |
| 12:59:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well |
| 12:59:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | What you might want to do, is make sure that podzilla is in the sbin folder, and is set to be executable. |
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| 13:00:41 | Membrillo | is podzilla free? |
| 13:00:43 | Therx | k |
| 13:00:45 | Therx | yes |
| 13:01:06 | Membrillo | ah... i read somewhere you had to pay for it |
| 13:01:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: podzilla is GPLed and part of the iPodlinux project |
| 13:01:50 | Membrillo | so whats podzillanano.com? |
| 13:02:08 | Membrillo | that costs money |
| 13:02:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a scam |
| 13:02:32 | Membrillo | ahhhh |
| 13:02:47 | ashridah | hey |
| 13:03:09 | ashridah | where in the logs BHSPitLappy mentioned before was the altercation between the scammer and the ipl people? |
| 13:03:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Sadly, I could not find it. There was some small mention in the most recent log, but no altercation |
| 13:03:58 | ashridah | supposedly it came out 'last night'hm |
| 13:06:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:09:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, I really wish I could just talk to the guy who made that site. See what he's like when discussing it in person. |
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| 13:13:40 | slimx | hy |
| 13:13:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hola |
| 13:14:01 | Membrillo | he probably has no idea... I wonder if you sent your ipod away if he would legitamately install IPL on it and send it back or just keep the money. He would avoid legal problems if he gave the ipod back |
| 13:14:19 | Membrillo | or just keep the money and the ipod*** |
| 13:14:45 | Membrillo | hes not doing anything illegal if you pay him to install podzilla and thats what he does, right? |
| 13:15:03 | slimx | who ? |
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| 13:15:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, he advertises it as actually selling podzilla |
| 13:15:12 | Membrillo | ah |
| 13:15:16 | Membrillo | thats his flaw then |
| 13:15:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since podzilla is licensed under the GPL, if he distributes the binary, he's required to provide the source. |
| 13:15:26 | slimx | selling pozilla :p |
| 13:15:36 | Membrillo | if he used sophisticated wording he could get around it |
| 13:16:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | If he advertised himself as merely a service for installing podzilla, he could get around it. But he also claims ownership of the podzilla copyright, so he's also infringing there. |
| 13:16:30 | Membrillo | if he was smart he COULD be perfectly legal. saying hes selling it without permission voids copyright doesnt it? |
| 13:16:39 | Membrillo | yeah |
| 13:16:41 | Membrillo | thats what i thought |
| 13:17:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, what he could do is advertise a service for installing podzilla on iPods. As long as he acknowledge that podzilla was (c) whoever the real owner was, and made it clear that he's not selling the software, pointed to where it was available, and that he only sold the service of installing it, he could *potentially* be in the clear. I'm not 100% sure on the legal bounds, but I think that'd a bout cover it. |
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| 13:18:37 | ashridah | he could be selling a version he's modified |
| 13:18:39 | ashridah | that's perfectly legal as well |
| 13:18:44 | ashridah | and he can claim part of the copyright then |
| 13:18:52 | ashridah | not all of course |
| 13:19:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Actually, he could even sell their version if my understanding of GPL is okay. It's just that he'd still be required to distribute the source with it, or make it available, and grant redistribution rights |
| 13:19:55 | ashridah | of course he can |
| 13:20:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | AFAIK the GPL doesn't forbid the selling of code or binaries. It just says that the source code also has to be available for free. |
| 13:20:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or cost of media |
| 13:20:14 | ashridah | i was referring to claiming copyright tho |
| 13:20:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, yes. |
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| 13:21:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there's nothing in his video that demonstrates it's a modified version, he also claims he created the whole think in binary and hextradecimal (spelling is correct), and that it can't be made available for download for security reasons. :) |
| 13:21:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just lovely |
| 13:21:25 | ashridah | yeah |
| 13:23:02 | Therx | k, i give up on ipl for the moment |
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| 13:23:55 | Therx | i i wish there was a way of easily getting to know the archetecture |
| 13:24:21 | Therx | someone should do a ipod for dummies kernel series like chris geise did for x86 |
| 13:24:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 13:24:32 | Therx | that was what taught me how to do that, |
| 13:24:42 | Therx | and then i could do stuff easily |
| 13:24:52 | Therx | i'd be happy to help someone do that... |
| 13:25:02 | Therx | BUT i don't know ipod.... |
| 13:25:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you could learn ARM, and then just read the various (limited) hardware docs at the iPodLinux wiki |
| 13:25:26 | Therx | hmm - how would i learn arm? |
| 13:25:44 | Therx | there isn't really anything else for me to develop on (no arm h/w) |
| 13:27:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are arm emulators out there, and tutorials. Though I'm not the best to recommend anything, since I don't know anything myself. |
| 13:28:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | A large portion of the code though is just written in C, and compiled with a crosscompiler. It's primarily optimizations and I think the lower level stuff that require actual knowledge of the hardware. |
| 13:28:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, clearly the lower level stuff requires actual knowledge of the hardware. :) It was originally going to say "ARM assembler" |
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| 13:30:38 | Therx | yeh |
| 13:30:55 | Therx | i might just try and do some stuff on the ipod port |
| 13:31:09 | Therx | but that's not as fun... |
| 13:32:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, as it is, unless you don't want to use a GPL license if you plan to redistribute, you're probably better off using a lot of the stuff already developed in the ipodport or ipodlinux anyway. |
| 13:32:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since the vast majority of the iPod's hardware is undocumented outside the reverse engineering of the iPodLinux project, it's a pretty major undertaking to start from near-scratch |
| 13:33:13 | Therx | yeh but no offense to rockbox, but it seems to run quite slow whilst decoding music, and i'd rather have something that i could say - "i did that"... |
| 13:33:19 | Therx | if you know what i mean |
| 13:34:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I understand that. |
| 13:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, as for the performance thing, are you planning on writing your own codecs from scratch too, or just hope to achieve better performance some other way? |
| 13:36:19 | Therx | i'd prob start from a standard decoder (such as fraunhofer) and optimiser my own from thaqt |
| 13:36:38 | * | ashridah fondly remembers how slow decoding was initially on the H140 when they first started working on that |
| 13:36:53 | ashridah | like, 2% of realtime or something :) |
| 13:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah ashridah. I was watching the project back then, from afar. :) |
| 13:37:10 | Therx | lol |
| 13:37:22 | ashridah | i installed rockbox on my unit back when the bootloader was v1 for the H1xx |
| 13:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: These are, for the most part, fairly optimized codecs, though arm-specific optimizations haven't been implemented in as many of them yet. |
| 13:37:38 | ashridah | no music then |
| 13:37:51 | Therx | none on nano yet either :P |
| 13:37:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, right now the other core isn't used at all. The idea is to try to see how much can be done on just one in the hopes of having better battery life. |
| 13:38:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | No what on nano? |
| 13:38:14 | Therx | sound |
| 13:38:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah there is |
| 13:38:23 | Therx | not for me... |
| 13:38:29 | Therx | says it's playing, but no music |
| 13:38:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm listening to Q8 vorbis files right now |
| 13:38:38 | Therx | mp3 |
| 13:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those work too |
| 13:38:49 | Therx | i hear nothing |
| 13:38:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 13:38:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | What version are you running? |
| 13:39:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, how recent is your build? |
| 13:39:18 | ashridah | volume? |
| 13:39:27 | Therx | latest i'd thought, i'll redownlaod from CVS |
| 13:39:33 | ashridah | it shouldn't be zero by default tho |
| 13:40:12 | Therx | tried that |
| 13:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | When was the first time you installed rockbox on your ipod? |
| 13:41:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, of course, is your build patched in any way? |
| 13:41:28 | Therx | last week, no |
| 13:42:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 13:43:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if any of the changes affected the bootloader, and if as a result it screws up hardware initialization. |
| 13:44:08 | Therx | wait a sec |
| 13:44:11 | Therx | i'll let you know |
| 13:44:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically: Is your bootloader from before the 28th? |
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| 13:46:29 | Therx | yes |
| 13:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | If a new install doesn't work for you then, I'd recommend installing a new bootloader. Hopefully you saved your apple_os.bin or bootpartition.bin. :) |
| 13:47:50 | Therx | yeh |
| 13:48:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know that it uses the .s file that was updated in the audio driver patch, so it's possible there's some actions going on in the bootloader that rockbox expects and aren't happening on yours. |
| 13:55:46 | Therx | k |
| 13:57:40 | Therx | kk works |
| 13:58:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cool |
| 13:58:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, as far as I can tell, MP3 is the wost codec in terms of "interface lag" |
| 13:58:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I haven't tried them all yet |
| 13:58:55 | Therx | hmm, why is reasonable listening volume "-40dB"? |
| 13:59:11 | billiob | Paul_The_Nerd, about my issue with rockboy, what can i do in order to find why it fails ? |
| 13:59:12 | safetydan | 0db is maximum output (i.e. no attenuation) |
| 13:59:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because 0db is "0db relative to the line level" |
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| 14:00:01 | Therx | turns normal ipod headphones into speakers :P |
| 14:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | billiob: I really don't know, honestly. It's a port of an emulator called gnuboy, so ideally find out if it's known to have a bug with that game. |
| 14:00:17 | billiob | ok, thx, i'll try it |
| 14:00:26 | ashridah | billiob: which game was it? |
| 14:00:37 | billiob | link's awakening |
| 14:00:48 | ashridah | i've played that through with gnuboy on the pc |
| 14:00:49 | ashridah | works fine |
| 14:00:54 | ashridah | must be a rockboy bug |
| 14:01:14 | Therx | does it not use the coprocessor yet? |
| 14:01:34 | billiob | the rom works fine with visualboyadvance |
| 14:01:43 | ashridah | safetydan: that depends on the platform |
| 14:02:04 | safetydan | true |
| 14:02:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: Not at all |
| 14:02:45 | Membrillo | does anyone know what OggFLAC is? ive never heard of it, but apparently Foobar can play it |
| 14:02:53 | Membrillo | some ogg-flac hybrid? |
| 14:03:19 | billiob | ogg is a container; flag is the encode algorithme |
| 14:03:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: Ogg is a container. Most people call Vorbis format files in Ogg containers "oggs" but Ogg can also contain a FLAC stream |
| 14:03:28 | Therx | k, and when i pause a track, it nicely fades out, then suddenly plays a small clip at normal volume before pausing |
| 14:03:29 | billiob | like ogg-vorbis |
| 14:03:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: Indeed. Remember, audio support for the iPod's a week old. Not all the bugs are ironed out yet. You'll also notice that playback doesn't always work properly when you hit next/prev |
| 14:03:58 | Membrillo | makes sense |
| 14:04:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you seek a small amount though, then release, it'll resum |
| 14:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | resume |
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| 14:07:33 | Therx | yeh fair enough |
| 14:07:42 | Therx | just checking they weren't unknown |
| 14:08:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed. Better to repeat a known bug than stay silent with an unknown. |
| 14:08:51 | Therx | are there plans for rockbox to support diskmode by itself (i.e. like the apple firmware)? would probably look cleaner (even if it has no advantage) |
| 14:09:47 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: it can also contain video iirc, can't it? (oggs i mean) |
| 14:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: It's hardly a priority. |
| 14:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: It can. They're very often renamed .ogm. In fact the Theora video codec is designed by the same group iirc. |
| 14:10:41 | * | ashridah nods |
| 14:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: But I imagine it'll happen at some point. The "Disk Mode" on nanos is *slooooow* |
| 14:11:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have mine patched to load retailOS when you insert the cable instead. |
| 14:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, if you wake your ipod by inserting the cable, it'll hang at the USB logo. |
| 14:13:43 | Therx | yeh |
| 14:15:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, don't use the hold switch. |
| 14:15:27 | Therx | kk |
| 14:15:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a bug right now where, when you turn hold off, it may stay holding for an indeterminate amount of time / button presses. (You can hard reboot with Menu+Select if you get tired of waiting.) |
| 14:16:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | The fix for it will probably go in today, with luck. It's a fairly small thing, and as long as linuxstb or preglow sees it in the log, it'll be set. |
| 14:16:39 | Therx | will rockbox be able to play itunes bought music (trouble of protection stuff) |
| 14:16:41 | billiob | Paul_The_Nerd, the rom works fine with gnuboy |
| 14:16:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, "fix" may not be the right word, since it's less of a "the cause is known" and more of a "this causes it to stop happening, we're not sure why" thing. |
| 14:17:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therx: DRM wrapped music will not be playable. Probably ever. |
| 14:17:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | billiob: Well, unfortunately, this means you need to find someone familiar specifically with the rockboy code. That person is not me. Sorry I can't be of more help. |
| 14:18:04 | Therx | right. linuxstb said to help out on plugins, porting stuff to nano... |
| 14:18:19 | Therx | is that the best idea? |
| 14:18:23 | Therx | or anything else? |
| 14:18:30 | billiob | Paul_The_Nerd, ok; thx |
| 14:18:38 | Therx | as long as no arm assembly is involved i think i |
| 14:18:44 | Therx | 'll be able to give it a go |
| 14:21:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there's a few specific ones that people are looking forward to. Sudoku hasn't had the art converted to a smaller size (easy) and I don't know if the code needs changed to cope with the smaller screen (relative to the other color targets). As well, Rockboy doesn't build for Nano either. It assumes that if the screen is color, then it can display the image full size, which isn't true with the Nano. Again, I don't think either |
| 14:22:23 | Therx | so one of those, ok |
| 14:22:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, there's several plugins that just need some minor adaptations, or sometimes even a just a few #ifdefs with button mappings, and they're good to go. |
| 14:24:10 | Therx | k, i'll try one of those |
| 14:24:40 | Therx | actually, just a thought - i could try and work on a itunes database reader, so you can use the existing music store |
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| 14:24:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, there's a lot of information about the db itself around |
| 14:24:56 | Therx | store == database |
| 14:24:59 | Therx | yeh |
| 14:25:11 | Therx | noone's working on that at the moment are they? |
| 14:25:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Rockbox has a setup for viewing a database, though it's designed to use Rockbox's own format. |
| 14:25:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | As far as I know, nobody's working on support for the iTunesDB |
| 14:26:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could potentially just add another menu choice to the "View Files" after ID3 Database with iTunesDB, and then reuse a lot of the basic UI code from the ID3 Database portion (which needs to be renamed anyway) I imagine. |
| 14:27:55 | Therx | where's "View Files"? |
| 14:28:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry |
| 14:28:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | General Settings->File View->Show Files |
| 14:29:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | The current ID3 database requires you to run a script or java program on your files in advance to generate it, though I believe someone's working on integrating that behaviour into rockbox itself |
| 14:30:56 | Therx | don't quite get how that works... the ID3 database causes a hang at the moment |
| 14:31:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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| 14:32:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since the script only works on a couple formats, and it's not widely used, it's not really been worked on for iPod, since much of the new system may negate that anyway |
| 14:32:22 | Therx | "new system"? |
| 14:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I think the idea is that rockbox can scan your files in the background, and generate the database itself. |
| 14:33:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't know how that's coming, or much about it. |
| 14:33:28 | Therx | so if i wanted to add something that allowed browsing of the itunesdn |
| 14:33:30 | Therx | *db |
| 14:33:47 | Therx | where abouts would i start adding the code (sry, don't really know the whole code base) |
| 14:36:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'm not wholly sure. That's why I was recommending looking at how the current database system is in. I would guess that's app/database.c and .h, for starters. Also settings_menu.c I suppose, for how the menus are set up. |
| 14:36:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | But really, most of the code should probably be in its own source files. |
| 14:38:44 | Therx | yeh ok |
| 14:38:46 | Therx | bbl |
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| 14:42:27 | spupek | hi!maybe i am soo lama, but where or how can i change the text colour on rockbox h300 optimized? |
| 14:42:38 | spupek | or background color |
| 14:42:39 | spupek | ? |
| 14:42:46 | JdGordon | lcd settings |
| 14:42:50 | JdGordon | under general settings |
| 14:43:16 | spupek | but i have no color settings... |
| 14:43:17 | spupek | :( |
| 14:44:32 | spupek | no kind of item in there...what's wrong? |
| 14:46:21 | spupek | i dont know...how to get those? |
| 14:47:53 | spupek | in lcd settings there is only: backlight, backli/pluged, caption backlight, brightness, contrast, lcdmode, upside down, line selector, clear backdrops |
| 14:50:35 | spupek | ?i missed install something? |
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| 14:53:15 | spupek | nobody? |
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| 14:54:27 | spupek | anyone?what i did wrong? |
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| 14:55:08 | billiob | hi kernel_sensei :) |
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| 14:57:33 | webguest59 | spupek: the colorchanger was removed from the optimized build |
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| 14:58:07 | spupek | oo.but former i have not the optimized, and also there was no kind option... |
| 14:58:23 | spupek | so i can change the text's color? |
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| 14:58:39 | spupek | i mean can't..:) |
| 14:58:41 | webguest59 | currently not |
| 14:58:52 | spupek | ok, thanx |
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| 15:10:43 | vektek | Hi guys, anyone know if we are close to getting video to play on the iriver? |
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| 15:12:35 | ashridah | hahaha. close. that's funny :) |
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| 15:58:58 | safetydan | Is the simulator working for any of the iPod targets? |
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| 16:01:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: What do you mean? |
| 16:01:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know the Win32 one was working a few days ago, at least. |
| 16:04:11 | safetydan | hrm... the X11 doesn't |
| 16:04:20 | safetydan | well it compiles, but it doesn't show anything |
| 16:04:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me test real quick then, just compiling a new win32 |
| 16:04:33 | safetydan | I was hoping to test my new graphical UI on the iPod sim |
| 16:04:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there anything in the archos folder for it to show? |
| 16:05:21 | safetydan | there's a few files |
| 16:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the Win32 one seems to work |
| 16:05:31 | safetydan | apparently there's only two keys hooked up though |
| 16:05:39 | safetydan | maybe I'll try the SDL one |
| 16:05:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, give the SDL one a shot |
| 16:06:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what I'm doing, but since I've not gotten an SDL sim to work yet, my results are not indicative of anything. |
| 16:06:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Also, the bugs in the graphical UI show up on both iPod Nano and H120 physical targets |
| 16:06:45 | safetydan | Those are fixed now I hope |
| 16:06:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 16:06:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just wanted to make sure you'd gotten the part where it wasn't just the ipod. :) |
| 16:07:00 | safetydan | They do appear in the sim as well (or did) |
| 16:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 16:07:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you see the post in the forum? |
| 16:07:21 | safetydan | yup |
| 16:07:37 | safetydan | I'm hoping to have everything fixed and working sometime soon |
| 16:07:46 | safetydan | at least on H100/300 and iPod |
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| 16:08:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, since those are the only once with equalizer routines so far, I think that's all that can be expected. ;-) |
| 16:08:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I personally don't tend to fiddle with equalizer settings, but it seems a lot of people are excited about all this. |
| 16:09:38 | safetydan | The funny thing is I have no interest in the equalizer |
| 16:09:52 | safetydan | Just saw an opportunity to do some C coding again |
| 16:10:02 | safetydan | new GUI version works on the iPod |
| 16:10:04 | petur | freak :) |
| 16:10:07 | safetydan | at least the sim |
| 16:10:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 16:10:33 | safetydan | I like my EQ like I like my floors. Flat. |
| 16:10:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, agreed |
| 16:10:41 | petur | same here |
| 16:10:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can see it as being of some benefit to people who have earphones that noticeably alter the sound though |
| 16:11:04 | safetydan | true |
| 16:11:19 | safetydan | okay, now to add a pre-amp so the EQ doesn't blow the sound so easily |
| 16:11:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 16:14:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still don't get sound in my sim. Ah well |
| 16:15:33 | safetydan | Try the SDL sim in windows |
| 16:15:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I did |
| 16:16:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Says something about the temp codec dll not being a valid windows image |
| 16:16:19 | safetydan | Have you updated recently? |
| 16:16:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | About 5 minutes ago. |
| 16:16:36 | safetydan | oh |
| 16:16:44 | safetydan | LinusN seemed to think he'd fixed that |
| 16:16:46 | safetydan | ah well |
| 16:16:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clean build folder and everything |
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| 16:17:15 | safetydan | If only it wasn't such a pain to reboot in to Windows I'd try and fix it again |
| 16:17:40 | petur | what's the pain? |
| 16:17:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure he ever actually committed the fix, now that I think about it |
| 16:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or was that part of the big "Improved SDL simulator" patch? I thought he was talking about it after... |
| 16:18:29 | safetydan | it should have been |
| 16:18:33 | safetydan | it was the whole O_BINARY thing |
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| 16:18:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where is that set? |
| 16:19:15 | safetydan | uisimulator/common/io.c |
| 16:19:21 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/common/io.c.diff?r1=1.22&r2=1.23 |
| 16:19:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 16:19:52 | safetydan | petur: takes too damn long to boot and Cygwin is a lot slower to compile than Linux |
| 16:19:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if WIN32 gets set for the SDL sim? |
| 16:20:05 | safetydan | ... |
| 16:20:10 | safetydan | no, I don't think it does |
| 16:20:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it wouldn't do much good, I imagine. |
| 16:20:20 | petur | I can certainly agree on the second bit :/ |
| 16:20:32 | safetydan | actually I lie |
| 16:20:39 | safetydan | WIN32 should be set |
| 16:21:22 | safetydan | or not |
| 16:21:24 | * | safetydan stops speculating |
| 16:22:17 | safetydan | Okay, according to the tools/configure script, WIN32 isn't set in the SDL builds for Windows |
| 16:23:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'd just gotten to that point myself |
| 16:23:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, defining WIN32 will probably break all sorts of stuff. Will having it do that on all SDL sim builds break many things? |
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| 16:24:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, at this point it's probably about time to strip out all the WIN32 sim code that's not for the SDL sim, at which point it becomes safe to define WIN32 again... |
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| 16:24:51 | IcyStorM | Hello guys |
| 16:24:55 | safetydan | possibly it will break things |
| 16:25:13 | IcyStorM | Can I still use apple firmware after installing this? Multi bootable ? |
| 16:25:19 | safetydan | Worth just editing io.c and seeing if it works |
| 16:25:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 16:25:29 | safetydan | that way we know that fix will work |
| 16:25:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what I'm doing now. :) |
| 16:25:34 | safetydan | someone else can do the Makefile magic |
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| 16:25:53 | IcyStorM | Can anybody answer me plz |
| 16:26:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: Yes. |
| 16:29:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, I hate using cygwin. |
| 16:30:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | All these people talking about how much faster their compile times are than mine. |
| 16:30:36 | Rob2222 | hehe |
| 16:30:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: The fix does not appear to work. |
| 16:30:40 | Rob2222 | just install linux |
| 16:30:57 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd: Well that's annoying |
| 16:31:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rob2222: I've tried a few times, but I've not yet managed to get it happy with the wireless built into this laptop. I should just get a compatible pc card 'n be done with it. |
| 16:31:25 | safetydan | There's probably other WIN32 code that's needed |
| 16:31:31 | petur | I'm going to try colinux some day (when I get the time) |
| 16:31:50 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd: you could try ndiswrapper which lets you use the windows driver in Linux |
| 16:32:05 | safetydan | works well enough with my RTL8180 based card |
| 16:32:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Tried it. Still doesn't love me. |
| 16:32:23 | safetydan | ah well |
| 16:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 16:32:46 | safetydan | bah, the H120 sim lies |
| 16:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh? |
| 16:33:01 | safetydan | it's screen is another 20 pixels taller than the target |
| 16:33:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wha? |
| 16:33:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's strange |
| 16:35:10 | safetydan | very |
| 16:36:01 | safetydan | err... actually it's my fault |
| 16:36:10 | safetydan | calculating font size incorrectly |
| 16:37:01 | * | Paul_The_Nerd grins. |
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| 16:48:35 | lostlogic | *yawn* morning! |
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| 16:49:38 | IcyStorM | Ok |
| 16:49:53 | IcyStorM | After install how to boot into apple firmware and how to boot inte rockbox ? |
| 16:51:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mornin' lostlogic |
| 16:51:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: When you reboot it, it should by default boot into Rockbox. If you hold Menu down, it'll boot into Apple. |
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| 16:55:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well, time for me to go. Be back at some point after I've driven, driven again, and slept. Not necessarily in that order. |
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| 16:58:50 | IcyStorM | Hello folks |
| 16:59:11 | IcyStorM | Im using ipod 5G |
| 16:59:36 | IcyStorM | Will i have to use ipod_fw.exe of ipodpatcher.exe ? |
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| 17:02:43 | IcyStorM | Will i have to use ipod_fw.exe of ipodpatcher.exe ? |
| 17:02:44 | IcyStorM | Will i have to use ipod_fw.exe of ipodpatcher.exe ? |
| 17:02:50 | IcyStorM | For iPod 5G / Video |
| 17:02:53 | IcyStorM | Answer me plz |
| 17:02:55 | kernelsensei | billiob: ? |
| 17:03:00 | IcyStorM | answer me plz |
| 17:03:22 | billiob | kernelsensei, tu as bien un ihp-120, non ? |
| 17:03:35 | kernelsensei | h340 |
| 17:04:02 | petur | IcyStorM: I think there are no ipod users in atm (Paul just left) |
| 17:04:19 | billiob | kernelsensei, ok (je t'ai reconnu; admin du forum gentoo :p ) |
| 17:04:35 | kernelsensei | ;)] |
| 17:04:35 | kernelsensei | ;) |
| 17:04:35 | billiob | il semble que je suis le seul qui ne peux pas jouer à zelda :( |
| 17:04:41 | IcyStorM | oh no |
| 17:05:01 | petur | IcyStorM: have you checked the wiki? |
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| 17:11:26 | lostlogic | what is so complicated about patience? |
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| 17:14:53 | Paprica | can someone look at this |
| 17:14:53 | Paprica | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1423801&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 17:15:11 | Paprica | and tell me why its not work on the player? |
| 17:15:28 | Paprica | (on the simulator it works perfectly) |
| 17:21:31 | lostlogic | Paprica: :( looked at it but I don't know anything about that code, so I'm no help |
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| 17:22:30 | Paprica | =\ |
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| 17:27:15 | safetydan | New EQ UI patch. |
| 17:27:19 | safetydan | Now with graphical editing. |
| 17:27:32 | safetydan | Oh, and fixes an issue where the first band's settings were ignored |
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| 17:30:52 | billiob | i've solved my problem with rockboy and link's awakening, i was pressing the stop button too long time ! |
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| 17:57:15 | steveb | ok... Doom for an mp3 player?! |
| 17:57:22 | steveb | so rediculous. |
| 17:57:29 | steveb | kudos to whoever got it working |
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| 18:09:43 | ghode|afk | does anyone know how to paste text into cygwin? |
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| 18:10:57 | Paprica | try right click |
| 18:11:20 | ghode|afk | nope :/ |
| 18:11:23 | Paprica | mm ok |
| 18:11:25 | Paprica | mm |
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| 18:11:42 | Paprica | go to properties of the window |
| 18:12:04 | Paprica | and then check the quick edit mode |
| 18:12:48 | Paprica | now try right clock |
| 18:12:51 | Paprica | i |
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| 18:15:51 | ghode|afk | works, thanks Paprica |
| 18:17:15 | Paprica | =] |
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| 18:42:22 | muesli__ | i dont get it..how can i quit doom? |
| 18:42:43 | Myth`n`Legend | get to the menu and go to "Quit"? |
| 18:42:49 | Xomphos | to quit doom, flip the hold switch on-then u will see the menu |
| 18:42:58 | Xomphos | then flip it off to control within the menu |
| 18:43:16 | Xomphos | or you could just reset your ipod :P |
| 18:43:32 | muesli__ | nah..own an iriver |
| 18:44:07 | muesli__ | Myth`n`Legend went to the menu..how to confirm quit? |
| 18:44:07 | Myth`n`Legend | I just hit play it brings me to the menu and then once on Rec and Navi |
| 18:44:17 | Myth`n`Legend | Navi again |
| 18:44:26 | muesli__ | doenst help |
| 18:44:39 | Myth`n`Legend | works for me... |
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| 18:45:30 | Xomphos | wow they have doom on irivers? cool :) |
| 18:45:56 | muesli__ | myth not here..nothin happens |
| 18:46:15 | ghode|afk | anyone know where i can get some info on creating a script for cygwin? |
| 18:46:21 | muesli__ | hit navi ->boss bla , ht enter to quit |
| 18:46:26 | muesli__ | hit |
| 18:46:54 | Bagder | ghode|afk: read up on 'bash' scripting |
| 18:46:56 | lostlogic | ghode|afk: can't make a script for cygwin... you probably run a bash shell in cygwin, so look for bash scripting |
| 18:47:22 | ghode|afk | ok will do |
| 18:48:23 | ghode|afk | safetydan: just tried your eq on a h140, is there a reset option? |
| 18:48:25 | Myth`n`Legend | did you try all other buttons too and nothing works? |
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| 18:49:34 | muesli__ | yepp |
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| 18:49:41 | muesli__ | thats the point |
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| 18:49:55 | Myth`n`Legend | odd |
| 18:50:49 | muesli__ | that new key aligns are strange at all |
| 18:51:16 | Myth`n`Legend | I do not like them |
| 18:51:37 | Myth`n`Legend | but I've managed to make it to level 2 in Doom II despite em lol |
| 18:51:46 | muesli__ | ;) |
| 18:52:19 | muesli__ | when i am in the menu..new game, options bla..what do you press to confirm/chose an option? |
| 18:52:51 | Myth`n`Legend | I just hit the Navi again |
| 18:53:08 | muesli__ | menu disappears |
| 18:53:08 | Myth`n`Legend | he made Navi 'Enter' |
| 18:53:19 | * | Myth`n`Legend shrugs |
| 18:54:17 | Myth`n`Legend | brb |
| 18:55:29 | safetydan | ghode|afk: no, but you can switch it off |
| 18:56:06 | safetydan | a reset option is probably a good idea though |
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| 18:57:30 | ghode|afk | is it best to have bass/treble set to 0 when using the eq? |
| 18:58:47 | safetydan | probably |
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| 18:59:01 | safetydan | but preglow would be the man to ask since he wrote the actual EQ code, I just did an interface to it |
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| 19:00:02 | safetydan | AFAIK the bass and treble options are handled by the hardware so would take effect after the EQ is applied |
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| 19:18:24 | ghode|afk | safetydan: are you eentually gong to remove the "eq gain" and "eq advanced settings" menus? |
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| 19:19:18 | safetydan | If I can get the talk API working so blind people can still use it, yes |
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| 19:21:17 | ghode|afk | really liking it so far, only problem is that it takes about 20-30seconds to update |
| 19:22:28 | safetydan | yeah it takes as long as the pcm buffer |
| 19:23:14 | safetydan | I could update the settings more often, but I think the CPU usage would go up too much |
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| 19:32:10 | ep0ch | is there some documentation on how to use the profiler? |
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| 19:51:33 | lostlogic | ep0ch: it's in the Docs/TECH file or somesuch |
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| 19:52:48 | lostlogic | safetydan: the pcmbuffer is only like 3 seconds normally... the replaygain settings stuff forces playback restart... you could also do that. |
| 19:54:07 | lostlogic | safetydan: thatway you are'nt checking something every X time in order to update the settings, you just do it at playback start |
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| 20:06:25 | belze | does the tagdb work for anyone? |
| 20:06:32 | belze | here it crashes my player |
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| 20:07:43 | PaulJ | belze: which player are you using? |
| 20:07:50 | belze | the h110 |
| 20:08:05 | dpassen1 | Don't choose tagdb through the Quick Menu |
| 20:08:16 | belze | what do you mean? |
| 20:08:32 | belze | i hold a-b and the tell him to use the id3-database |
| 20:08:42 | dpassen1 | Yes, that's the Quick Menu. |
| 20:08:44 | PaulJ | on the h320 it helps if you enable the db in the settings menu and restart the player before returning to the browser |
| 20:08:48 | dpassen1 | This is a known bug. |
| 20:08:55 | belze | ah, ok |
| 20:09:03 | belze | so where is the non-quick menu? :) |
| 20:09:13 | Myth`n`Legend | muesli__ are you using the optimized build with it or as a double boot-up? |
| 20:09:36 | dpassen1 | Press a-b rather than hold. |
| 20:09:40 | Myth`n`Legend | it seems to only quit when it's seperated |
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| 20:09:54 | muesli__ | Myth`n`Legend optimized build |
| 20:10:13 | belze | ah, got it |
| 20:10:28 | Myth`n`Legend | well nope doesn't work that way...needleboy has updated his build also and now it's a double boot-up there too, try it with that |
| 20:10:56 | muesli__ | i am using needles combined build |
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| 20:12:13 | Myth`n`Legend | seems to work fine for me when I boot up the other build, but not when it's just the optimized |
| 20:12:36 | muesli__ | i can wait..its not that urgent ;) |
| 20:13:10 | muesli__ | wait until kk changed the key alignments at all ;) |
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| 20:15:34 | belze | dpassen1 & PaulJ: thanks, it works now ;) |
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| 20:21:41 | ts-x | LinusN: I'm not sure if you still need another H320 or not, but there's a US model with a dead harddrive on ebay right now that might be of interest. The auction ends in ~2 hrs (22:20 log time). If you're interested, let me know and I'll put in a bid and ship it over to you. |
| 20:23:47 | ts-x | The current price with shipping is only $75, so it seems like a decent deal |
| 20:25:18 | safetydan | lostlogic: I'll have a look at doing something like that. |
| 20:25:45 | safetydan | there's also the possibility of making the filter calculation faster |
| 20:25:59 | safetydan | preglow left a cryptic note about it in eq.c |
| 20:26:17 | safetydan | well, it's not really cryptic |
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| 20:55:17 | ssnajper | reading through the irc log, 3g ipods now boot rockbox? |
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| 20:56:26 | ssnajper | anyone? |
| 20:57:15 | ssnajper | yes/no? |
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| 21:00:13 | ssnajper | nobody on I guess, please answer that Q and if yes, installation instructions and I will check irc log later for answer...THANKS! |
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| 21:11:31 | linuxstb | ssnajper: No, Rockbox doesn't boot on the 3g yet. The bootloader is starting to work, but Rockbox itself isn't. |
| 21:13:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks for the CLZ you posted earlier today (it looks good, but I haven't tried it yet). Is that your implementation? |
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| 21:19:00 | Paprica | linuxstb? |
| 21:22:49 | linuxstb | Yes? |
| 21:23:34 | Paprica | can you help me with the makefile? |
| 21:23:47 | linuxstb | Which Makefile? |
| 21:24:05 | Paprica | i want to add icons folder for the .rockbox |
| 21:24:13 | Paprica | and i want that to default files |
| 21:24:19 | linuxstb | Then add it to buildzip.pl |
| 21:24:23 | Paprica | will include in the folder |
| 21:26:42 | Paprica | Then add it to buildzip.pl.... and what about the 2 files that i want to add to the folder in the build? |
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| 21:27:14 | linuxstb | Which two files? |
| 21:27:20 | Paprica | bmp files |
| 21:27:33 | Paprica | with the icons |
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| 21:28:05 | linuxstb | Why don't you put them in apps/bitmaps/ and compile them into Rockbox? |
| 21:28:56 | Paprica | but i need them in bmp.. |
| 21:29:10 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 21:29:14 | Paprica | this is for the custom statusbar icons |
| 21:29:44 | linuxstb | But you can have the standard icons compiled into Rockbox, and then a user can replace them with his/her own files. |
| 21:30:31 | Paprica | mm |
| 21:31:39 | Paprica | but the icons load from bmp.. |
| 21:31:39 | Paprica | =\ |
| 21:33:17 | imphasing | linuxstb: You know that gcc has a "__builtin_clz" function that only takes 10 instructions to execute? |
| 21:34:11 | linuxstb | IMO, Rockbox should have a standard set of icons (different for each size LCD) stored in apps/bitmaps/native/ which are compiled into Rockbox. |
| 21:34:23 | linuxstb | Are you planning to distribute more than one set of icons, and let the user choose? |
| 21:34:38 | Paprica | yep |
| 21:35:14 | linuxstb | Then you need to do something similar to the wps directory. |
| 21:35:46 | linuxstb | imphasing: Are you saying that __builtin_clz takes 10 instructions on ARM? |
| 21:36:45 | imphasing | linuxstb: I'm pretty sure, yes. |
| 21:36:53 | linuxstb | I'll try it, thanks. |
| 21:37:12 | imphasing | If you use the toolchain, it should put one in, rather than trying to use a clz instruction. |
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| 21:38:28 | imphasing | It returns an int containing the number of leading 0 bits |
| 21:44:28 | imphasing | That 3G patch put some files in the wrong places.. |
| 21:44:30 | imphasing | creepy. |
| 21:44:57 | imphasing | Weird.. |
| 21:45:04 | imphasing | IT still doesn' |
| 21:45:08 | imphasing | doesn't build |
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| 22:37:18 | BHSPitLappy | imphasing: still no luck with 3G? |
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| 22:46:23 | midgey34 | linuxstb: did you see what I posted last night about backgrounds in the WPS? |
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| 22:48:30 | Xomphos | hey does anyone know where i can find a 24-bit color theme for the iPod nano I could use with rockbox? |
| 22:48:39 | BHSPitLappy | umm... in the cvs? |
| 22:49:31 | Xomphos | cvs? |
| 22:49:40 | Xomphos | i am a n00b at this-i know :P |
| 22:50:07 | BHSPitLappy | the latest build has one. |
| 22:50:27 | Xomphos | ok |
| 22:50:28 | Xomphos | thanks |
| 22:50:32 | Xomphos | *looks* |
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| 22:50:38 | BHSPitLappy | how old is your rockbox |
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| 22:50:54 | Xomphos | actaully, i installed the latest daily build 5 mins ago |
| 22:51:24 | * | Bagder sumed up the ports status |
| 22:51:33 | Bagder | (in a mail to the dev list) |
| 22:51:36 | Xomphos | i was just looking for a 24-bit color one like the theme here: http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5740/joltsteel2od.png |
| 22:52:17 | BHSPitLappy | then try making it yourself |
| 22:52:26 | BHSPitLappy | (though I've already started adapting that one to nano) |
| 22:52:39 | BHSPitLappy | Boxes is the only nano-friendly color wps afaik |
| 22:52:46 | Xomphos | u have? awesome-when do you think it will be ready |
| 22:53:00 | BHSPitLappy | "We DO NOT estimate release dates." |
| 22:53:03 | BHSPitLappy | ^ :P |
| 22:53:19 | Xomphos | lol |
| 22:53:20 | BHSPitLappy | they've been changing around the methods for wps's, so I dunno. |
| 22:53:25 | Xomphos | ok |
| 22:53:38 | Xomphos | well thank for your help-i just switched the theme to boxes |
| 22:53:40 | Xomphos | bye :D |
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| 23:23:09 | Cassandra | Which is likelier to be able to maintain. Documentation that (internally) stores the key settings for Rockbox and all the plugins in a seperate file (meaning that the main text contains platform independent placeholders which are replaced by the actual key used) or storing the key information for each plugin / screen with the plugin / screen itself, and using conditional statements to fill in the tables of keymappings? |
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| 23:24:10 | Cassandra | Yeah, I wish it was easier to explain. |
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| 23:24:37 | Cassandra | One approach is like the Rockbox source. We keep the actual names of the keys in the platform specific header file. |
| 23:24:46 | Bagder | I think perhaps the first approach |
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| 23:25:01 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 23:25:04 | Cassandra | The other has the advantage that all the information is in the place where it's used,. |
| 23:25:10 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:25:42 | BHSPitLappy | a more ideal system would be the first, and plugin authors have the option to nullify the settings and use their own |
| 23:26:14 | Cassandra | There's nothing stopping plugin authors altering keymappings in the header file though. |
| 23:27:13 | Cassandra | Basically you'd end up with variables like \key_plugin_snake2_left, the value of which would be set to eg LEFT in the platfform header file. |
| 23:27:39 | Cassandra | (Trivial example, but you get the idea.) |
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| 23:28:19 | Cassandra | linuxstb, can you check the IRC logs and give me your opinion on the question I just asked, please? |
| 23:28:37 | Bagder | ugha, we're on -13C now... |
| 23:28:42 | linuxstb | I'm just reading it now. Are you talking about the upcoming LaTeX documentation? |
| 23:28:50 | Cassandra | Yep. |
| 23:29:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: The CLZ I posted this morning is my own implementation; the idea to use a lookup table is taken from the gcc version |
| 23:29:21 | Henrico | Cassandra: the number of statements would be similar, the question is: what is easier to maintain? |
| 23:29:25 | Cassandra | Bagder, it *feels* like that here. (although weather.com claims -3C |
| 23:29:31 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:29:52 | linuxstb | I think the LaTeX docs should share the same structure as the Rockbox source - so you would have the equivalent of #defines defining the buttons. Something like "SUDOKU_MENU" or "CUBE_INCREMENT_X" |
| 23:29:58 | Cassandra | Henrico, I agree yes. I have an opinion, but I wanted to see what other people's opinions were. |
| 23:32:44 | Cassandra | Hence why I asked which is likelier to be (easy) to maintain. |
| 23:33:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: The CLZ routine can be optimised further (or rather, tuned to the usage pattern), depending on the typical distribution of the possible results |
| 23:34:04 | linuxstb | Yes, I thought about that as well. I can try logging the values using the standalone alac decoder, to see the statistical spread. |
| 23:35:16 | amiconn | You could also try gcc's __builtin_clz() |
| 23:36:33 | linuxstb | Yes, imphasing mentioned that earlier. Do you know the correct way to use gcc builtin functions? Just using __builtin_clz(x) in the source works, but I don't know if there is a better way. |
| 23:37:03 | amiconn | It might end up slower, but not because the implementation is bad. Afair it uses a 128 byte lookup table, and this table will end up in DRAM because there is no way to tell the linker to put it in IRAM |
| 23:37:08 | linuxstb | But looking at the objdump of __builtin_clz, it doesn't look very efficient. It also uses a 256 byte lookup table. |
| 23:37:20 | amiconn | It uses 256 byte? |
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| 23:38:35 | amiconn | Maybe they cahnged the implementation. I remember reading comments that it was possible to cut down the table to 128 byte |
| 23:38:45 | amiconn | *changed back |
| 23:39:38 | linuxstb | According to alac.map, __clz_tab starts at 0x01f019b0 and the next entry starts at 0x01f01ab0 |
| 23:40:04 | linuxstb | So unless there is 128 bytes of padding in there for some reason, I think it's 256 bytes. |
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| 23:45:08 | * | Bagder tries the x5 bmp |
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| 23:46:58 | Bagder | is there now any reason why win32 users shouldn't build the SDL sim? |
| 23:48:00 | * | linuxstb spots Bagder hovering over the delete button... |
| 23:48:10 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:48:39 | Bagder | I was actually considering making configure simply pick SDL, to start with |
| 23:49:07 | LinusN | maybe some more testing before that |
| 23:49:28 | Bagder | yes, and hence my question |
| 23:49:43 | LinusN | for example, does the screendump work? |
| 23:50:37 | Bagder | on x11 it does |
| 23:50:42 | Bagder | I mean SDL on x11 |
| 23:51:10 | Bagder | funny though that the sim uses a differeng bg color in the LCD than what the screendump uses... |
| 23:52:41 | LinusN | how do you take a screendump in the sim? |
| 23:52:45 | Bagder | f5 |
| 23:53:05 | LinusN | ah |
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| 23:54:45 | LinusN | doesn't seem to work in win32... |
| 23:54:59 | Bagder | :-/ |
| 23:55:11 | LinusN | oh, yes it does |
| 23:55:58 | LinusN | practical joke of the day, take a screenshot and then make it a backdrop |
| 23:56:10 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:58:46 | LinusN | hmmm, looks like our bitmap reader has problems with the bmp's created by the screendump function |
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