| 00:00:10 | ts|gone | ah ok, what did you do then? |
| 00:00:32 | Shadowarrior13 | Ah, there it is. |
| 00:01:42 | lostlogic | hmm... doesn't attempt settings save @ < 10% |
| 00:02:10 | steveb | ts|gone: i wasnt identified when i joined so i assume he saw that |
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| 00:02:20 | ts|gone | [23:59:36] <@ts|gone> maybe your client registerd it when he joined w/o the cloak? |
| 00:02:35 | ts|gone | steveb: If you ever use Xchat... check out this script: http://old.homeip.net/martin/smallprojects/antiaway.py |
| 00:02:45 | steveb | i will never use xchat |
| 00:02:56 | steveb | thats a given. |
| 00:02:57 | ts|gone | it stops the channel from getting hilighted on "* someone is away" |
| 00:03:10 | steveb | there are irssi scripts for things like that |
| 00:03:20 | steveb | i have one that bans on away messages |
| 00:03:27 | ts|gone | ghehe |
| 00:03:44 | ts|gone | on my net we code bots for that... but that's because it's a very tech-related net :) |
| 00:03:49 | steveb | irssi is the best irc client. ever. |
| 00:08:21 | lostlogic | h3x0 and h1x0 have the same basic power management problems, right? |
| 00:08:46 | ts|gone | problems? |
| 00:10:36 | lostlogic | the player has a habit of suddenly shutting down when the battery is lowish |
| 00:10:40 | lostlogic | for no really good reason |
| 00:11:32 | lostlogic | dpassen1: I'll have to either get the submitter to do some work on this patch, or do some myself... full of good ideas, but not the best execution. |
| 00:11:52 | dpassen1 | I'm just glad steps are being taken. |
| 00:12:05 | dpassen1 | This is the only 'issue' I still have with RockBox on my 120. |
| 00:12:07 | steveb | lostlogic: is the fact that the battery is low not a good enough reason? |
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| 00:12:55 | Shadowarrior13 | Ok, that was a complete failure. Time to try again. |
| 00:13:31 | lostlogic | steveb: no good reason to me is because the battery is not at a critical level... |
| 00:13:58 | lostlogic | the problem is that LiIon has major voltage fluctiations under heavy current draw as it gets even moderately low. |
| 00:17:13 | Shadowarrior13 | Yay, blue screen., |
| 00:17:19 | * | Shadowarrior13 hugs nearest member |
| 00:18:15 | Shadowarrior13 | Where's the rockbox.zip for the 5g? |
| 00:18:39 | linuxstb_ | You have to compile it yourself. |
| 00:18:53 | Shadowarrior13 | Damn. |
| 00:19:37 | XavierGr | I swear that yesterday the sim had the targets skin |
| 00:19:48 | XavierGr | now it has only the display |
| 00:20:30 | linuxstb_ | It's now optional - check the cvs logs |
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| 00:22:01 | Shadowarrior13 | Me, or him? |
| 00:22:43 | linuxstb_ | him |
| 00:22:47 | Shadowarrior13 | K. |
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| 00:29:26 | XavierGr | wow new score! I missed that |
| 00:29:42 | | Quit ender` (" Variables won't. Constants aren't.") |
| 00:30:34 | Shadowarrior13 | Alright, I've come to a conclusion. |
| 00:30:38 | Shadowarrior13 | I suck at life. |
| 00:30:57 | XavierGr | why? |
| 00:31:23 | Shadowarrior13 | Compiling on windows is HORRIBLE :P |
| 00:32:11 | XavierGr | cygwin? |
| 00:32:16 | Shadowarrior13 | I hate it. |
| 00:32:37 | XavierGr | well it is better than the Devkit, lol |
| 00:32:40 | Shadowarrior13 | But I'm using it. and I'm stupid at programming/compiling. |
| 00:32:55 | Shadowarrior13 | Which is why I suck at life. |
| 00:33:18 | XavierGr | one thing at a time. At first I couldn't compile it myself |
| 00:33:48 | Shadowarrior13 | Dude, do you already have it compiled? |
| 00:34:02 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm just gonna start bitching around for a precompiled version. |
| 00:34:06 | Shadowarrior13 | >.> |
| 00:34:07 | XavierGr | haha |
| 00:34:17 | XavierGr | what are you trying to compile? |
| 00:34:20 | XavierGr | I mean which target |
| 00:34:25 | Shadowarrior13 | 5G |
| 00:34:45 | XavierGr | did you read the how to set up a cygwin environment? |
| 00:35:02 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, my cygwin/computer just doesn't like...things. |
| 00:35:17 | preglow | cygwin makes me want to jump off a cliff |
| 00:35:18 | Shadowarrior13 | :P |
| 00:35:22 | Shadowarrior13 | Amen. |
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| 00:36:40 | XavierGr | well at my case following the guide was just straight forward |
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| 00:37:06 | XavierGr | I read the guide yesterday and then I set up cygwin |
| 00:37:20 | XavierGr | as we are talking I am compiling various sims and targets |
| 00:37:25 | Shadowarrior13 | My problem is that I've set it up once, and it won't reinstall againb :P |
| 00:37:28 | Shadowarrior13 | again* |
| 00:37:59 | XavierGr | delete the whole cygwin folder and start again. (I hope you kept the packages) |
| 00:38:13 | preglow | www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
| 00:38:21 | Shadowarrior13 | :O |
| 00:38:38 | Shadowarrior13 | Is that what I think it is? |
| 00:38:50 | preglow | yeah, twenty completely insane viruses |
| 00:38:56 | preglow | just unzip and enjoy |
| 00:39:02 | Shadowarrior13 | ....not *quite* what I was thinking. |
| 00:39:17 | XavierGr | you gave a link to viruses? |
| 00:39:26 | Shadowarrior13 | But if it is, then I dub thee infinitely sexy. |
| 00:39:27 | * | preglow gives XavierGr a link to sarcasm |
| 00:39:42 | XavierGr | lol |
| 00:40:05 | Shadowarrior13 | teh sexin355. |
| 00:40:11 | preglow | i'm hot, yes |
| 00:40:14 | preglow | no denying that |
| 00:40:39 | preglow | don't make love to me just yet, though, it's my first ipod video build, and might not work |
| 00:40:48 | Shadowarrior13 | At least it's a start :P |
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| 00:42:04 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 00:42:16 | Shadowarrior13 | It loads a little picture of a USB cable |
| 00:42:25 | Shadowarrior13 | And the time :P |
| 00:43:21 | preglow | recommend you don't keep the usb cable inserted |
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| 00:43:32 | preglow | since that's more or less going to make it a bit unresponsive |
| 00:43:43 | Shadowarrior13 | Well, it was never inserted in the first place :P |
| 00:43:50 | preglow | nice... |
| 00:43:50 | Shadowarrior13 | It's not doing much, really. |
| 00:43:54 | Shadowarrior13 | Just chilling. |
| 00:44:00 | preglow | with the usb logo? |
| 00:44:03 | Shadowarrior13 | Yup. |
| 00:44:27 | preglow | can i ask you if you're sure the usb cable is unplugged again without insulting your intelligence? |
| 00:44:28 | Shadowarrior13 | Loads with a yellow rockbox logo, then switches to the USB. |
| 00:44:40 | * | preglow kicks linuxstb |
| 00:44:45 | Shadowarrior13 | rofl |
| 00:44:50 | Shadowarrior13 | Yes, it's still unplugged :P |
| 00:45:08 | preglow | keep select and menu pressed until reboots and say "take 2" out loud |
| 00:45:19 | Shadowarrior13 | Already did ^_^ |
| 00:45:28 | preglow | then repeat with "take 3" |
| 00:45:32 | Shadowarrior13 | Hahaha |
| 00:45:36 | Shadowarrior13 | This would be take 4. |
| 00:45:58 | preglow | weeell, i'll just leave you with linuxstb, then |
| 00:46:03 | Shadowarrior13 | XD |
| 00:46:27 | preglow | he's the only other one with a video around here |
| 00:46:38 | Shadowarrior13 | Kays, I'll bitch at him for a while. |
| 00:46:42 | Shadowarrior13 | *cough* |
| 00:46:57 | preglow | do so |
| 00:47:05 | Shadowarrior13 | d000000d. linuxstb. |
| 00:47:08 | Shadowarrior13 | I love you. |
| 00:47:27 | Shadowarrior13 | <3 |
| 00:48:05 | Shadowarrior13 | Crap, he's not even here :P |
| 00:48:05 | ShyK | a lotta lovin going on in here |
| 00:48:57 | preglow | not here? there's even two of him |
| 00:49:02 | preglow | ShyK: we're like that |
| 00:49:13 | * | preglow strokes ShyK |
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| 00:49:20 | Shadowarrior13 | Not anymore. |
| 00:49:30 | ShyK | preglow: not in front of everyone |
| 00:50:39 | ShyK | you know how shy i get |
| 00:52:44 | preglow | time for bed |
| 00:52:46 | preglow | gnight |
| 00:52:55 | ShyK | shhh don't tell everyone! |
| 00:52:59 | ShyK | gnight |
| 00:53:42 | Shadowarrior13 | Woa, is that kingstone I spy? |
| 00:53:46 | Shadowarrior13 | That's nuts. |
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| 00:54:04 | Shadowarrior13 | I bet HE'D have a compiled 5G rockbox. |
| 00:54:16 | midkay | what? someone needs a compiled 5g rockbox? |
| 00:54:26 | Shadowarrior13 | <−−−−-him. |
| 00:54:53 | midkay | gimme like.. 5 minutes |
| 00:55:07 | midkay | testing out cygwin dev environment for the first time, if no go then i can reboot to linux for that |
| 00:55:13 | Shadowarrior13 | lol, thanks a million. |
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| 01:01:22 | XavierGr | why the keys on the ipod colour sim are inverted? |
| 01:03:05 | linuxstb | Shadowarrior13: This works fine for me: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip |
| 01:03:13 | Shadowarrior13 | :O |
| 01:03:44 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I've spotted that, but was too lazy to change the bitmaps... |
| 01:03:52 | Shadowarrior13 | You're even sexier... |
| 01:04:03 | linuxstb | Don't start that again.... |
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| 01:04:21 | Shadowarrior13 | But PAUL |
| 01:04:27 | Shadowarrior13 | Paul is the sexiest. |
| 01:06:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course I am. |
| 01:06:59 | Shadowarrior13 | Damnit, it's still just showing the USB thing. |
| 01:07:51 | Shadowarrior13 | *waits for midkay's compile" |
| 01:07:58 | midkay | Shadowarrior13, that build is about 3 weeks old, FYI |
| 01:08:01 | midkay | about done compiling.. |
| 01:08:11 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 01:09:08 | midkay | done.. i'll put it on yousendit i guess |
| 01:09:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:28 | Shadowarrior13 | Yay |
| 01:10:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's being worked on? |
| 01:10:44 | Shadowarrior13 | Trying to put teh rockboxiness on my 5G iPod. |
| 01:10:52 | linuxstb | Shadowarrior13 is making everyone compile Rockbox for him... |
| 01:10:57 | Shadowarrior13 | XD |
| 01:11:01 | Shadowarrior13 | It's how I roll. |
| 01:11:42 | Gursikh | isn't that what the "daily builds" page is for? |
| 01:11:58 | midkay | not for video ipods, no.. |
| 01:12:00 | midkay | for some reason |
| 01:12:02 | Shadowarrior13 | No daily build for the 5G. |
| 01:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gursikh: There's not a daily for 5g. Also, generally speaking, if you can't compile it yourself there's probably very little use in putting it on a 5g |
| 01:12:14 | Shadowarrior13 | *cough* |
| 01:12:28 | Gursikh | ah |
| 01:12:31 | XavierGr | Paul how the yesterday's metting was? |
| 01:12:48 | Shadowarrior13 | Crap, brb |
| 01:12:50 | Shadowarrior13 | Keep going :P |
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| 01:13:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: It did not go well. But, such is life. |
| 01:13:22 | midkay | wtf, where did he go!! |
| 01:13:24 | XavierGr | Ouch,,, |
| 01:13:43 | XavierGr | I am sorry to hear that Paul. |
| 01:13:44 | midkay | what didn't go well? |
| 01:14:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nothing so important. |
| 01:14:31 | midkay | sorry to hear it in any case.. |
| 01:14:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thanks |
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| 01:21:55 | kkurbjun | new midi patch on sourceforge |
| 01:22:40 | Gursikh | hey Paul_The_Nerd, the original creator of the patch has updated it on the tracker (just for your information) |
| 01:23:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gursikh: That's good then. :) |
| 01:23:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Is it realtime? |
| 01:24:01 | kkurbjun | Paul: for most of the files I was testing it was |
| 01:24:01 | midgey34 | kkurbjun: you forgot to attach it |
| 01:24:12 | kkurbjun | midgey: thanks |
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| 01:24:58 | kkurbjun | midgey34: it's on there now |
| 01:25:26 | XavierGr | so is this patch with original creator changes? |
| 01:25:35 | JdGordon | who went and cleaned out the patch tracker? |
| 01:25:57 | kkurbjun | XavierGr: I don't understand the question |
| 01:26:02 | XavierGr | it is down at the moment. |
| 01:26:26 | XavierGr | [02:22] Gursikh: hey Paul_The_Nerd, the original creator of the patch has updated it on the tracker (just for your information) |
| 01:26:35 | XavierGr | I thought it said it about the midi plugin |
| 01:26:53 | Gursikh | XavierGr: oh no sorry, the mactidy/disktidy plugin |
| 01:27:07 | XavierGr | anyway kkburjun any optimizations in it? |
| 01:27:15 | Gursikh | oh, it's gone now... |
| 01:27:54 | kkurbjun | yes, a few, most of the work was in getting output inside rockbox though. Not much needed to be done to get it playing realtime |
| 01:28:17 | XavierGr | so you think you can make it realtime? |
| 01:28:19 | kkurbjun | I would like to use it in doom if I can ever get the two paired fast enough |
| 01:28:36 | kkurbjun | it is realtime on most of the files I tested |
| 01:28:49 | XavierGr | also does it now play the file or it will just export the audio in a wav file? |
| 01:29:42 | kkurbjun | anyway, I have to go, hopefully later tonight I'll be able to put an update for doom online. It plays the file; no wav writing. |
| 01:29:55 | XavierGr | nice indeed! |
| 01:30:23 | XavierGr | Do you think that you will optimize it more? Is the playback at 44.1Khz? |
| 01:32:09 | kkurbjun | the playback is at 11025 now. I couldn't tell much of a difference between that and 22050 so I stepped it down. I think the patches are in 11025Hz anyway. I would like to optimize it more, but we'll see. The goal for me is to be able to use it in doom. |
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| 01:32:52 | XavierGr | I remember a great degrade in audio in 11025. But I will test your patch to see for myself |
| 01:34:01 | kkurbjun | XavierGr: I wasn't testing with wav recording so I'm sure the difference could be much more noticable, eitherway, I was looking to make the plugin at least work on the target |
| 01:34:07 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: I got an error on compile time. What's your target? |
| 01:34:27 | kkurbjun | H300 |
| 01:34:30 | kkurbjun | what's the error? |
| 01:34:53 | XavierGr | H100 mine: In file included from midi2wav.c:33: |
| 01:34:53 | XavierGr | midi/midiutil.c: In function `printf': |
| 01:34:53 | XavierGr | midi/midiutil.c:232: error: `va_list' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:34:55 | XavierGr | and more |
| 01:35:00 | XavierGr | I will try a clean make |
| 01:35:11 | kkurbjun | oh, I forgot about the doom patch |
| 01:35:28 | kkurbjun | it needs the same patch to cvs that doom needs |
| 01:35:47 | kkurbjun | you can just make the printf an empty function if you want to get it working |
| 01:35:57 | XavierGr | okay I will try |
| 01:36:05 | kkurbjun | but you won't see any of the status information |
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| 01:36:27 | XavierGr | can you update it tomorrow? |
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| 02:04:42 | T-can | so rockbox works on 4g greyscale ipods? |
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| 02:12:56 | midkay | T-can, yes, but i'm unsure as to how well.. |
| 02:13:27 | BHSPitLappy | T-can: that makes you a perfect candidate to be a tester :) |
| 02:14:26 | T-can | haha, i just noticed a need for 4g B&W ipods for testing :) |
| 02:14:32 | T-can | in the forums |
| 02:15:09 | T-can | also seems like a reasonably stable version of rockbox for 4g has only been out for 2 days :yikes: |
| 02:15:12 | * | steveb <3 rockbox |
| 02:15:26 | steveb | doom makes voiding the warrenty worthwhile |
| 02:15:33 | * | T-can :yikes: @ testing |
| 02:15:41 | T-can | but ya, id be willing to test |
| 02:15:51 | T-can | i already have linux and podzilla on |
| 02:15:52 | midkay | T-can, it's completely safe |
| 02:15:57 | T-can | and ive hacked the crap outta my strings |
| 02:16:06 | midkay | haha |
| 02:16:25 | T-can | and im not sure if i really like IPL that much |
| 02:16:33 | T-can | there is no sleep |
| 02:16:40 | T-can | i have to reboot each time i want to start it |
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| 02:17:07 | Kensir | yea |
| 02:17:09 | Kensir | thats a pain |
| 02:17:20 | T-can | i have been hunting for a mod for that |
| 02:17:23 | T-can | nothing |
| 02:17:34 | Kensir | damn 5gs arent supported anywhere |
| 02:17:55 | Kensir | im psyched about rockbox though |
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| 02:18:02 | Kensir | seems much more active than iPL |
| 02:18:10 | T-can | when is Apple gunna release sourcecode, thats what i wanT!!! |
| 02:18:27 | T-can | i do like a lot of the features on IPL |
| 02:18:47 | T-can | and there 4g version on IPL has been around for a awhile and is very stable |
| 02:19:31 | midkay | what sort of features? |
| 02:20:09 | Kensir | I'm too lazy to compile Rockbox.zip source...I'm off to restore this thing |
| 02:20:32 | midkay | huh? |
| 02:20:38 | Kensir | for the 5g |
| 02:20:43 | Kensir | they dont have the rockbox.zip |
| 02:20:54 | midkay | wait |
| 02:20:58 | Kensir | and im not compiling the source myself |
| 02:20:59 | midkay | http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PW50JQYCEHJT0V8PPN2QPJWV3 |
| 02:21:03 | midkay | freshly compiled |
| 02:21:07 | Kensir | k |
| 02:21:08 | Kensir | thanks! |
| 02:21:11 | T-can | well, im not sure what rockbox has for features, but i reall like the appereance settings on IPL |
| 02:21:16 | midkay | from an hour or so ago, was for someone else but they left.. *shrugs* |
| 02:21:24 | Kensir | huh |
| 02:21:26 | T-can | along with batt tweaks, fonts |
| 02:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, everyone with their "I like pretty more than feature rich" |
| 02:21:29 | Kensir | well im now that special someone |
| 02:21:30 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters. |
| 02:21:41 | T-can | wheel sense. adjustment |
| 02:21:51 | midkay | Kensir, exactly :) |
| 02:22:09 | T-can | plus everything in file browser |
| 02:22:35 | T-can | but like i said, i have no clue what rockbox has for features so they might have some of this stuff |
| 02:23:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of the Rockbox features are listed at the site. |
| 02:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | And mainly relate to things like "Parametric Equalizer" "Replaygain" "Gapless playback" etc. |
| 02:23:43 | T-can | the only REAL complaint i have about IPL is the whole sleep/turn on/reboot deal and when you are playing a song, pressing Menu to go back to view artists or whatever will stop playback of the song |
| 02:24:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the wide variety of formats supported |
| 02:24:06 | Kensir | yea |
| 02:24:54 | T-can | anyone have a features list for rockbox, i cant seem to find one on their site |
| 02:25:11 | midkay | T-can, in the end there's a lot more I believe, maybe some stuff isn't working yet, but it's just starting out for ipods |
| 02:25:44 | midkay | T-can, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison - no ipod column though |
| 02:25:52 | midkay | gives you an idea, basically the same between iriver and ipod |
| 02:25:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's also a little bit out of date. |
| 02:26:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, close enough |
| 02:28:00 | T-can | you can load another firmware without rebooting?? |
| 02:28:03 | T-can | thats pretty cool |
| 02:28:22 | midkay | another rockbox firmware.. |
| 02:28:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, right now that doesn't work on iPod |
| 02:28:56 | T-can | gotcha |
| 02:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Theoretically it could allow you to launch Linux from Rockbox, but right now because of the way the memory is remapped, you can't even load rockbox from within itself I believe. RoLo needs some adaption I've been told |
| 02:29:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it can be used to test out changes easily, on the players it works with |
| 02:30:21 | T-can | so people have already successfully put it on 4g BW right? |
| 02:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I remember a small change was needed for the contrast, but I think that's in CVS now. |
| 02:31:07 | T-can | ya, same with IPL |
| 02:31:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the default had just been set too low |
| 02:31:52 | T-can | does rockbox have the batt and CPU tweak? |
| 02:32:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | A) Define "batt and CPU tweak" |
| 02:33:50 | T-can | batt tweak shows millivolt draw of batt where batt meter would be |
| 02:34:10 | T-can | CPU tweak shows a rough estimate of CPU usage |
| 02:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Naah |
| 02:34:29 | T-can | these were both availible through ipodwizard |
| 02:34:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the iRiver players, the processor is run at a relatively slow speed (~1/3 of the maximum speed) and it's boosted up when necessary. Something similar will probably be done on iPod, but hasn't been implemented yet. |
| 02:34:57 | BHSPitLappy | you can't even see the battery power in ipod |
| 02:35:01 | BHSPitLappy | in rockbox, that is |
| 02:35:07 | BHSPitLappy | (for the ipod) |
| 02:35:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yet |
| 02:35:15 | T-can | huh |
| 02:35:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just a matter of "nobody's bothered" |
| 02:35:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since all the code is there. |
| 02:35:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | From iPod linux. |
| 02:36:01 | T-can | ya, im pretty sure both of the tweaks are hidden somewhere in ipod strings |
| 02:36:04 | BHSPitLappy | T-can: have you started trying to install |
| 02:36:15 | T-can | i was just about to ask if i should |
| 02:36:22 | BHSPitLappy | T-can: actually, they're mostly pretty unimpressive tweaks. |
| 02:36:28 | T-can | ya, i know |
| 02:36:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | T-can: Well, Rockbox has nothing to do with the original firmware, so it's really not related in any way to things like "the battery tweak" |
| 02:36:41 | T-can | but i think at least the batt tweak is more accurate than the meter |
| 02:36:47 | T-can | k |
| 02:36:59 | BHSPitLappy | for example,'disable seep sleep mode' works by screwing up a file that it checks before deep sleeping |
| 02:37:08 | T-can | i see |
| 02:37:38 | BHSPitLappy | go ahead and start messing with rockbox though |
| 02:37:40 | T-can | so for installing rockbox, i think im just gunna delete all IPL files then just re-update apple firmware |
| 02:37:45 | T-can | yep |
| 02:37:51 | BHSPitLappy | wait what? |
| 02:37:56 | BHSPitLappy | leave linux alone, numbnuts |
| 02:38:05 | BHSPitLappy | and your firmware |
| 02:38:13 | jaebird | Are people still waiting on me?? |
| 02:38:38 | T-can | can i leave IPL on and still install RB? |
| 02:38:46 | BHSPitLappy | o'course. |
| 02:39:15 | T-can | and ipod would work with 3 OS's on it???? |
| 02:39:16 | BHSPitLappy | all you're lined up to do is make_fw yourself another firmware partition |
| 02:39:22 | T-can | ok ok ok |
| 02:39:23 | BHSPitLappy | mine does :) |
| 02:39:40 | BHSPitLappy | do you have make_fw sitting around? |
| 02:39:47 | T-can | no |
| 02:39:57 | BHSPitLappy | you can get it from rockbox's site too, then |
| 02:40:02 | BHSPitLappy | but they call it ipod_fw here |
| 02:40:06 | T-can | k |
| 02:40:24 | BHSPitLappy | also, since the 4G's so new you might be stuck building rockbox yourself, from cvs |
| 02:41:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: One thing, he needs a clean boot partition to start from, unless he's using iPodLoader2 and just wants to continue with that. |
| 02:42:28 | XavierGr | someone inform safetydan that even if I launch rockboxui.exe with −−background the remote screen isn't displayed |
| 02:42:30 | jaebird | hey I'm going to make B4gder a 4g 2bpp pic for the daily page...is there an original somewhere for the color...the one online is really small. |
| 02:46:03 | T-can | can anyone validate the claim that IPL eats up more battery then rockbox? |
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| 02:47:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | T-can: I'd be surprised if it did. Right now Rockbox runs one processor at full speed constantly. On a Nano, Rockbox gets about 7.5 hours of playback, if that's in any way helpful. |
| 02:49:46 | T-can | do you know what nano is rated for for hours of playback? |
| 02:50:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apple advertises at 14 as a maximum. |
| 02:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, bear in mind, my test was with Q8 (256kbps) Ogg, theirs is with 128kbps AAC. |
| 02:57:44 | jaebird | I added http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus for a place to keep updated info about the status of Ipod models...so we don't get questions like "is the 5g play audio?" |
| 02:58:00 | jaebird | dude read the wiki! |
| 02:58:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | jaebird: It's locked. I was gonna add in Nano status. |
| 02:59:16 | jaebird | Try again... |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:11 | jaebird | Paul_The_Nerd: I have a 4g gray icon for the daily page...where should I put it? |
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| 03:00:42 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 03:00:53 | Jungti1234 | http://www.drawball.com/ hehe |
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| 03:02:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | jaebird: I think you just have to wait for the right person to be around... I believe it Bagder, but I may be wrong. As well, updated your IpodStatus page. |
| 03:02:57 | jaebird | saw it... |
| 03:03:24 | jaebird | I'm still amazed how quickly Ipod came to Rockbox! |
| 03:03:33 | jaebird | or the other way around |
| 03:04:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Preglow and Linuxstb have done some exceptional work. |
| 03:04:21 | T-can | ya |
| 03:04:24 | jaebird | I will post the image...and hopefully B4gder will find it |
| 03:04:33 | T-can | in the forums, it said 2 days ago stuff was still shakey |
| 03:04:39 | T-can | seems good now |
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| 03:05:01 | T-can | what build should I use for my 4g BW? |
| 03:05:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | T-can: I *think* you have to actually build it yourself right now. I could be wrong. |
| 03:06:08 | * | BHSPitLappy agrees |
| 03:06:17 | T-can | damn, if I had known that, I would have not started this at 9:00 at night |
| 03:06:18 | BHSPitLappy | T-can: have you installed the bootloader? |
| 03:06:21 | T-can | yep |
| 03:06:27 | BHSPitLappy | so there's no problem then really |
| 03:06:36 | BHSPitLappy | you're back at a state like you were before |
| 03:06:44 | BHSPitLappy | made sure apple and linux both still boot properly? |
| 03:06:56 | jaebird | There is a 4g grascale Ipod image at http://gdl.imeem.net/g/4fd8b78142f57cae95788383466f2716.jpg |
| 03:07:11 | T-can | apple firmware boots good |
| 03:07:15 | T-can | but displays weird |
| 03:07:20 | T-can | mirrored image |
| 03:07:23 | BHSPitLappy | hahaha |
| 03:07:29 | T-can | with a little bit of RB stuff on the left |
| 03:07:33 | BHSPitLappy | i wouldn't call that "good" |
| 03:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
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| 03:07:43 | BHSPitLappy | latest bootloader? |
| 03:07:47 | T-can | yep |
| 03:07:51 | BHSPitLappy | positive? |
| 03:07:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought that'd been fixed. If you downloaded a precompiled bootloader though, it *may* be out of date. |
| 03:07:58 | BHSPitLappy | fresh from cvs? |
| 03:08:07 | T-can | not positive |
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| 03:08:44 | BHSPitLappy | I can try to build you one |
| 03:08:53 | T-can | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 03:08:57 | T-can | got everything off there |
| 03:09:00 | T-can | it all looks up todate |
| 03:09:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:10:29 | jaebird | I'm building a 4g gray now... |
| 03:10:37 | BHSPitLappy | jaebird: boot or rockbox? |
| 03:10:44 | BHSPitLappy | I'm building a 4g gray bootloader |
| 03:10:51 | jaebird | both... |
| 03:10:56 | BHSPitLappy | oh, carry on |
| 03:11:00 | BHSPitLappy | build died... |
| 03:11:18 | BHSPitLappy | hmm I've gotten this before, don't remember how i fixed it |
| 03:11:29 | BHSPitLappy | "out of memory!" |
| 03:12:30 | T-can | so the bootloader on that page isnt good? |
| 03:12:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | What patches have you applied? |
| 03:12:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy, rather |
| 03:12:42 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: not sure |
| 03:12:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | T-can: It may be out of date, possibly |
| 03:12:47 | BHSPitLappy | i''ll take em off |
| 03:13:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Doom will cause that unless you change your plugin buffer cap. |
| 03:13:11 | T-can | looks like it was updated today |
| 03:13:18 | BHSPitLappy | i didn't |
| 03:13:24 | BHSPitLappy | (try doom) |
| 03:13:51 | jaebird | just built both bootloader and firmware...no issues on the build...installing |
| 03:16:39 | T-can | jae, what did you use for rockbox build??? |
| 03:17:01 | jaebird | I used cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 03:17:22 | jaebird | which works great by the way...the contrast issue is fixed |
| 03:17:36 | BHSPitLappy | well there you go |
| 03:17:53 | BHSPitLappy | jaebird: do you have the ability to replace the file that's on the wiki |
| 03:18:08 | T-can | that would be appreciated |
| 03:18:13 | jaebird | what file...? |
| 03:18:41 | BHSPitLappy | the working bootloader |
| 03:18:59 | BHSPitLappy | since the one T-can picked up is outdated |
| 03:19:13 | jaebird | no I have no permissions...but I can put it somewhere else |
| 03:19:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's in the wiki, you don't need permissions |
| 03:19:49 | jaebird | what is the url? |
| 03:19:54 | T-can | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 03:20:16 | jaebird | ah yes...please hold! |
| 03:20:20 | T-can | haha |
| 03:20:37 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: jae's the one with the file ;) |
| 03:20:43 | BHSPitLappy | whoops |
| 03:20:54 | BHSPitLappy | sorry, i misunderstood the point |
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| 03:21:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'sokay |
| 03:23:00 | T-can | where can i get rockbox.zip? |
| 03:23:26 | BHSPitLappy | possibly from jaebird, the current holder of the most recent build ;) |
| 03:23:46 | T-can | DUH, lost my head for a second |
| 03:24:05 | jaebird | is there now called: bootloader-4ggray.bin |
| 03:24:49 | jaebird | you want the rockbox.zip too? sheesh :) |
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| 03:27:25 | jaebird | Ok, ya'll both files are there bootloader-4ggray.bin and rockbox-4ggray.zip |
| 03:27:37 | T-can | thx |
| 03:27:51 | T-can | uh oh, ipod updater cant find my ipod :( |
| 03:28:02 | jaebird | ? |
| 03:28:38 | T-can | i was going to get original apple firmware back |
| 03:28:44 | T-can | then just reinstall everything |
| 03:29:06 | T-can | i downgraded sys but updater says "please connect ipod" |
| 03:30:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've found that if you get that, reformatting the iPod can fix it. |
| 03:30:58 | T-can | should i go into disk mode? |
| 03:31:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you can't get it back any other way |
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| 03:31:18 | T-can | ya, i dont think i can |
| 03:31:21 | T-can | bye bye music :( |
| 03:31:29 | T-can | i hope rockbox is worth it |
| 03:31:38 | midkay | what> |
| 03:32:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | T-can: Well, I mean, ideally you should've saved your bootpartition.bin |
| 03:32:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which you can then just restore onto it. |
| 03:32:23 | T-can | ya, i didnt |
| 03:32:32 | T-can | but i do have a IPL backup i think |
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| 03:37:58 | T-can | so all the new versions of bootloader and rockbox.zip are on the wiki right? |
| 03:38:33 | BHSPitLappy | T-can: did you restore already? |
| 03:38:36 | BHSPitLappy | because that's just stupid. |
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| 03:39:28 | T-can | nope |
| 03:39:50 | T-can | whats the alternative?? |
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| 03:40:56 | T-can | well, i guess i should atleast see if that old version of the bootloader was OK |
| 03:45:11 | T-can | ROLO error: Checksum Error |
| 03:47:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why were you ROLOing? |
| 03:47:15 | BHSPitLappy | cause they taste good? |
| 03:47:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:47:33 | T-can | and still wont connect |
| 03:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | T-can: Rockbox is a filetree browser. That's actually the rockbox.ipod file. |
| 03:47:41 | BHSPitLappy | T-can: ... is it in diskmode? |
| 03:47:47 | T-can | no |
| 03:47:53 | BHSPitLappy | connect to what? |
| 03:48:01 | T-can | computer |
| 03:48:09 | BHSPitLappy | it has to be in diskmode to connect... |
| 03:48:14 | BHSPitLappy | as an iPL user, you should know that |
| 03:48:30 | BHSPitLappy | have you installed the good bootloader? |
| 03:48:48 | T-can | no, i havent gotten a chance to |
| 03:49:12 | BHSPitLappy | well there's no reason to format anything... |
| 03:49:38 | T-can | i havent yet |
| 03:49:39 | BHSPitLappy | do ipod_fw with the new loader and the same apple_os, and ipod-patcher it again |
| 03:49:50 | BHSPitLappy | and extract the zip to the root |
| 03:50:02 | BHSPitLappy | and put a linux nightly kernel in the root |
| 03:50:12 | BHSPitLappy | (named "linux.bin" |
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| 04:00:15 | jaebird | T-can: did you get it working? |
| 04:02:11 | T-can | haha, far from it |
| 04:03:58 | BHSPitLappy | nothing difficult |
| 04:04:29 | T-can | im gettin there . . |
| 04:04:35 | BHSPitLappy | lol mmk |
| 04:05:53 | T-can | it doesnt seem to want to create the rockboot.bin file correctly |
| 04:06:58 | jaebird | are you using linux or windows? |
| 04:07:07 | T-can | windows |
| 04:07:19 | T-can | i think its because i already took out the apple_os.bin file |
| 04:07:26 | jaebird | darn... |
| 04:07:29 | T-can | so i cant replace it with the new one |
| 04:07:32 | T-can | ya, no kiddin |
| 04:08:01 | T-can | damn, and I thought this was gunna take 20 minutes |
| 04:08:26 | jaebird | do you have a linux live cd? like ubuntu? |
| 04:08:38 | T-can | no |
| 04:09:00 | T-can | i think that i just want to try to get apple firmware back on there tonight and i can mess around with rock box over the weekend |
| 04:09:01 | jaebird | is it a regular ipod with nothing else (no ipl)? |
| 04:09:06 | T-can | right |
| 04:09:10 | T-can | i deleted IPL |
| 04:09:27 | jaebird | so there isn't an extra IPL partition on there anymore? |
| 04:09:28 | T-can | it was regualr old apple firmware (with some minor string changes) |
| 04:09:36 | T-can | correct |
| 04:09:44 | jaebird | and ipodpatcher is not working? |
| 04:10:00 | T-can | the patcher is working |
| 04:10:14 | T-can | ipod_fw is where i get caught up |
| 04:10:40 | jaebird | in linux I do this: ipod_fw -g 4g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin ./bootloader/bootloader.bin |
| 04:10:52 | T-can | thats pretty much what i do |
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| 04:10:56 | jaebird | where the bootloader is the thing you downloaded |
| 04:11:09 | T-can | and i get a "fread failed: No error" |
| 04:11:20 | T-can | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 04:11:30 | jaebird | this is before you even try to ram it into your pod? |
| 04:11:33 | fanopnaic | hello! just wanted to report that the latest build does not playback any files on iriver H120. the version from the day before works though. |
| 04:11:43 | T-can | right right |
| 04:11:56 | jaebird | hmm...what version of windows? |
| 04:12:00 | T-can | i think its because i already replaced apple_os.bin when i tried it first |
| 04:12:05 | T-can | so it has nothing to replace |
| 04:12:08 | T-can | XP home |
| 04:12:19 | jaebird | it is not supposed to replace apple_os.bin |
| 04:12:37 | T-can | i thought thats what ipod_fw does |
| 04:12:40 | jaebird | it is supposed to combine the apple_os.bin and bootloader.bin into the new rockboot.bin |
| 04:12:52 | T-can | gotcha |
| 04:12:57 | jaebird | the rockboot.bin is what you put onto the pod |
| 04:13:06 | T-can | so that must mean apple_os.bin isnt on my ipod anymore |
| 04:13:20 | T-can | because it does create a file, but the file has nothing in it |
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| 04:13:55 | T-can | is there anyway i can just get apple firmware back on? |
| 04:14:04 | T-can | i think i am going to save rockbox efforts for the weekend |
| 04:14:29 | jaebird | did you try to put something on your ipod already? |
| 04:14:41 | T-can | what do you mean? |
| 04:15:06 | jaebird | well...extracting the firmware from you ipod should leave your ipod intact |
| 04:15:21 | jaebird | unless you tried to 'upload' a messed up firmware already |
| 04:15:50 | T-can | well, that old bootloader4g was supposedly not good |
| 04:15:55 | T-can | thats what i created |
| 04:15:59 | T-can | and thats what went onto my ipod |
| 04:16:23 | jaebird | do you have the original bootloader.bin that you extracted with: ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin |
| 04:17:18 | T-can | no |
| 04:18:00 | jaebird | do you have a gmail account? :) |
| 04:18:32 | T-can | no, sorry |
| 04:18:35 | T-can | how big is the file? |
| 04:18:56 | jaebird | well...the apple_os.bin is 3.3 mb |
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| 04:19:24 | jaebird | it is combined with the bootloader.bin to create the combined ipod booter |
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| 04:19:57 | T-can | i really just want to get apple firmware back |
| 04:20:24 | jaebird | since i have never done it in windows...i'm not sure if the files are compatable, although I would assume so |
| 04:20:25 | T-can | i can mess around with more over the weekend, i just want to be able to use my ipod at school tomorrow |
| 04:21:05 | T-can | i think ill have to use a USB format tool |
| 04:21:10 | jaebird | if you have th apple_os.bin which is the thing that you ripped out of the original bootloadpod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 04:21:10 | jaebird | er.bin with: |
| 04:21:30 | jaebird | oops |
| 04:21:41 | T-can | ya, im not sure if i have that apple.bin |
| 04:21:58 | jaebird | can you not get into usb disk mode so that it appears like a hdd? |
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| 04:23:04 | jaebird | what does your ipod do if you boot it holding the "menu" down while booting? |
| 04:23:07 | T-can | ya, i can |
| 04:23:11 | T-can | ill check |
| 04:23:45 | T-can | ya, it goes to the messup apple firmware |
| 04:23:49 | T-can | *messed up |
| 04:23:55 | T-can | everything is backwards |
| 04:24:01 | jaebird | neat |
| 04:24:33 | jaebird | do you have your music backed up? |
| 04:24:57 | T-can | ya |
| 04:25:11 | jaebird | all is not lost, trust me...i used IPL for awhile and saw all kinda weird things. |
| 04:25:20 | T-can | alright |
| 04:25:22 | jaebird | the real firmware is locked in flash |
| 04:25:30 | T-can | so you think i should just format it?? |
| 04:25:37 | jaebird | the stuff we call firmware is actually on the disk itself |
| 04:25:41 | T-can | ya |
| 04:25:58 | jaebird | it is probably recoverable without it, but if you need it quick and don't want to figure it out |
| 04:26:08 | jaebird | you can probably just do that...it is a hassle though |
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| 04:26:20 | jaebird | next time don't lose any of your bin files |
| 04:26:26 | jaebird | they come in handy for times like this! |
| 04:26:30 | T-can | hahahaha, lesson learned |
| 04:26:43 | T-can | i was good with backing everything up on IPL too |
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| 04:26:51 | jaebird | sweet though |
| 04:26:57 | T-can | i guess i figured nothing would go wrong with this |
| 04:26:59 | jaebird | take a picture of it if you can :) |
| 04:27:11 | T-can | of the backwards stuff? |
| 04:27:38 | jaebird | yeah...it would be nice to have when the ipod folks think their stuff is the best :) |
| 04:27:51 | jaebird | Steve Jobs...take that :) |
| 04:27:57 | T-can | haha |
| 04:29:13 | T-can | huh, i just did a quick format and remnants of rockbox are still on it |
| 04:30:12 | T-can | and still cant connect to ipod updater |
| 04:31:37 | jaebird | what version of the ipod updater are you using? |
| 04:31:44 | T-can | 1-10 |
| 04:32:30 | jaebird | hmm, this is in disk mode correct? You can see it as a hdd? |
| 04:32:41 | jaebird | format has no affect, btw |
| 04:32:54 | jaebird | there is another partition that you don't see |
| 04:33:04 | T-can | yes, i can see it in HDD |
| 04:33:18 | T-can | i can still operate it, it just is all backwards |
| 04:33:28 | T-can | and looks like it still has rockbox on it |
| 04:33:40 | jaebird | have you done an updater before with the same setup? |
| 04:33:51 | T-can | yep |
| 04:33:56 | T-can | lots |
| 04:34:28 | T-can | now it just says "plug in an ipod to update it" |
| 04:34:38 | T-can | but its still recognized as an HDD in my computer |
| 04:34:48 | jaebird | i'm not sure what to say at this point because the version i use is 3.23.05 updater |
| 04:36:24 | jaebird | you can fix it, you may need the apple_os.bin file though...and I have to go to bed now :( |
| 04:37:09 | T-can | alright |
| 04:37:12 | T-can | thanks for the help |
| 04:37:13 | jaebird | if you can deal with it for now, we can figure it out. btw i'm at gmail same name |
| 04:37:27 | T-can | thanks |
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| 04:43:16 | JdGordon | is the 4g b+w rockbox,zip being compiled with the rest of the daily builds? |
| 04:43:22 | JdGordon | or sdo we have to compile it ourselfs? |
| 04:43:27 | midkay | you could check the page |
| 04:43:36 | JdGordon | only colour and nano |
| 04:43:49 | midkay | then the answer is no ;) |
| 04:43:53 | midkay | i can make it for you if you'd like |
| 04:44:00 | JdGordon | na, its ok |
| 04:44:09 | midkay | you sure? pretty simple |
| 04:44:15 | midkay | already checked it out and everything |
| 04:44:23 | midkay | i insist. |
| 04:44:39 | midkay | compiling. |
| 04:44:41 | JdGordon | ye, na, im trying to get a friend to install it, but she cant do the build by herself so ill witt untill its on the web b4 getting her to install it |
| 04:45:18 | midkay | give me 5 minutes :) |
| 04:45:26 | JdGordon | na, dont worry |
| 04:46:15 | midkay | you mean if i post it you won't use it?.. it's almost done |
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| 04:51:32 | Jungti1234 | wow |
| 04:52:04 | Jungti1234 | New Misticriver? |
| 04:53:21 | JdGordon | gah, its only slighty better than the last 1 :p |
| 04:53:55 | Jungti1234 | slighty? |
| 04:54:51 | Jungti1234 | ah.. :) |
| 04:55:18 | T-can | gordon, someone just made the .bin and the .zip |
| 04:55:35 | T-can | i had the previous version and it royally EFFED up my 4g BW |
| 04:55:43 | JdGordon | haha ok |
| 04:55:44 | T-can | cant due system restore or anything |
| 04:55:57 | T-can | but im not sure if the new version is good or not |
| 04:56:03 | T-can | the guy who made it was sjust in here |
| 04:57:35 | midkay | what? |
| 04:57:48 | midkay | hope it wasn't me.. because i posted a link to a 5g compile.. |
| 04:58:04 | T-can | no no |
| 04:58:15 | midkay | and... you didn't get it fixed? boot to disk mode |
| 04:58:31 | T-can | i have |
| 04:58:35 | T-can | its in disk mode right now |
| 04:58:39 | T-can | ive formatted too |
| 04:58:43 | midkay | so what's the prob? |
| 04:58:46 | T-can | it will show up as an HDD |
| 04:58:46 | midkay | need a 5g version? |
| 04:58:49 | midkay | -5+4 |
| 04:58:59 | T-can | but when i do an updater |
| 04:59:06 | midkay | that's fine, you just need to put a 4g version on it.. coming up in about.. 30 seconds |
| 04:59:09 | T-can | it says "plug in ipod for update" |
| 04:59:19 | T-can | no, ive tried with Jae's version |
| 04:59:21 | midkay | you shouldn't have formatted it.. |
| 04:59:30 | midkay | that's probably a problem.. |
| 04:59:42 | T-can | i cant merge the bootloader4g and apple_os.bin files |
| 04:59:53 | midkay | JdGordon, here's 4G compiled from few-hours-old source: http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3DLYBP0IAZ1FW0AD0ZNXS5NGBC |
| 04:59:56 | T-can | the new bootloader.bin file isnt correctly mad |
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| 05:00:02 | midkay | i can make you one.. |
| 05:00:07 | JdGordon | thanx |
| 05:00:10 | midkay | but if the bootloader's already installed you shouldn't need to |
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| 05:01:47 | midkay | where did you get the other bootloader.bin, T-can? |
| 05:01:57 | T-can | the old one? |
| 05:02:01 | midkay | the broken one |
| 05:02:04 | T-can | it was on the site acouple of hours ago |
| 05:02:19 | midkay | taken down? |
| 05:02:21 | T-can | i installed it with that bootloader |
| 05:02:22 | midkay | where at? |
| 05:02:26 | T-can | yeah, Jae has a new one up |
| 05:02:38 | midkay | s..o... why aren't you using that one? |
| 05:04:25 | T-can | i tried |
| 05:04:36 | T-can | "fread failure: No error" |
| 05:04:41 | T-can | after i type it into command |
| 05:04:47 | midkay | also broken? are you sure you're entering commands properly? i think i got that before.. |
| 05:04:53 | T-can | something is wrong with my apple_os.bin i think |
| 05:05:09 | midkay | delete anything you already have except for your bootloader from the ipod.. |
| 05:05:16 | midkay | unless you can get that again. |
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| 05:05:29 | midkay | delete everything and do the whole thing over again. that was my problem i believe. |
| 05:05:54 | CoasterMaster | I've got an interesting problem with the iPod Nano port and I was wondering if anyone else had it. |
| 05:06:07 | midkay | CoasterMaster, let's hear it.. |
| 05:06:57 | CoasterMaster | If I plug the pod into my computer, it detects fine. When I copy MP3s over, they transfer as fast as they should (taking only a couple of seconds). If I copy Rockbox files (I'm loading the latest daily build on right now), it goes a lot slower. To transfer this build of Rockbox, it is taking about 10 minutes. |
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| 05:08:59 | midkay | CoasterMaster, i've got that too, not nearly ten minutes, but it takes considerably longer, i'm fairly sure due to the large number of small files to be copied (thus more need to be created), instead of just fewer larger files. |
| 05:09:13 | midkay | no so much data transferring as creating new files |
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| 05:09:31 | CoasterMaster | hmmmm, makes sense....when this is finished, I'll try copying a folder of some random text files and see how that goes over |
| 05:10:04 | BHSPitLappy | also, make sure you're in the Apple OS disk mode, not the hardware disk mode |
| 05:10:18 | midkay | yeah, even a ton of 0-byte one.. BHSPitLappy: um, why? |
| 05:10:28 | CoasterMaster | I have the "Do Not Disconnect" screen on (from the apple firmware, I assume) |
| 05:10:34 | T-can | ya, so now ipodpatcher cant even find my ipod |
| 05:10:46 | midkay | T-can, nice.. hmm.. |
| 05:10:53 | T-can | ya, no kiddin |
| 05:11:00 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: "um," because apple diskmode is muy muy faster? |
| 05:11:05 | T-can | this is what i get for tryin rockbox . . . |
| 05:11:11 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 05:11:12 | BHSPitLappy | poor thing |
| 05:11:13 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, ""um"", why is it muy muy faster? |
| 05:11:33 | CoasterMaster | does the iPod Updater detect your ipod? |
| 05:11:44 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: """um""", it's safe to speculate that apple and hardware diskmode use USB 2.0 and 1.1, respectively |
| 05:11:54 | BHSPitLappy | try copying a long song in each mode |
| 05:11:57 | BHSPitLappy | and time them |
| 05:12:05 | T-can | problem solved!!! |
| 05:12:10 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, """"um"""", why would it be safe to assume that? |
| 05:12:11 | T-can | downloaded the 11-17 updater |
| 05:12:13 | T-can | works |
| 05:12:18 | T-can | now to restore! |
| 05:12:32 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: I'm gonna kick your ass |
| 05:12:44 | CoasterMaster | how do I get to the "hardware" disk mode as opposed to the "apple os" disk mode? |
| 05:12:57 | midkay | oh, that's a nice reason. considering you can't come up with anything else. |
| 05:13:02 | CoasterMaster | That, and why the hell is SimCity 4 so damn addicting? |
| 05:13:06 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: you're right, they're the same |
| 05:13:23 | midkay | no, surely you are. |
| 05:13:27 | BHSPitLappy | nope |
| 05:13:33 | BHSPitLappy | you were right, i was wrong |
| 05:13:40 | midkay | oh, thank you for clarifying. |
| 05:13:50 | BHSPitLappy | (whatever shuts this guy up...) |
| 05:14:19 | midkay | thanks for making it clear that you were kidding :) i couldn't have picked up on that otherwise :) |
| 05:14:57 | T-can | NOW BACK TO IPL!!! |
| 05:15:02 | T-can | fucking rockbox |
| 05:15:05 | T-can | fucking davechapman |
| 05:15:13 | T-can | writing shitty .bins |
| 05:15:20 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder: ping |
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| 05:20:55 | BHSPitLappy | pity nobody was here to just kickban that retard. |
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| 05:21:45 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, yeah, _he_ is such a _retard_. |
| 05:23:59 | CoasterMaster | midkay: seems you were right....it was because there were a bunch of small files. I copied another random folder filled with a bunch of text files and it took awhile |
| 05:24:20 | midkay | CoasterMaster, cool, thx for confirming |
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| 06:24:06 | jaebird | The rockbox.zip and bootloader bin for the 4g grayscale at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation are on my ipod and work fine. |
| 06:24:26 | jaebird | They were uploaded 10 Feb |
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| 06:42:25 | j | so, i plugged my girlfriend's cellphone charger into my jukebox studio 10, and the polarity was wrong and fried the charger circuit. anyone have this problem? |
| 06:51:21 | midkay | j, i doubt anybody in here has that problem, but people have had it.. looking to replace it or something? |
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| 06:53:04 | j | i would like to fix the circuit if possible |
| 06:54:14 | midkay | http://www.connactivity.com/~eaw/archos_apart/ |
| 06:54:19 | midkay | here's instructions for a recorder |
| 06:54:24 | midkay | i'd expect it to be rather similar for a studio |
| 06:54:28 | j | midkay, thanks |
| 06:54:38 | midkay | no problem |
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| 07:03:01 | kkurbjun | another update for doom is now on sourceforge |
| 07:04:38 | midkay | kkurbjun, don't suppose it's on ipod 5g yet? ;) |
| 07:05:44 | BHSPitLappy | how is it? |
| 07:06:35 | kkurbjun | : ), no, Paul_The_Nerd has been helping me work on getting an ipod version compiling, it's close, but still having some troubles. |
| 07:06:50 | midkay | kkurbjun, awesome :) |
| 07:07:08 | midkay | blah, probably slow as hell on the videos anyways.. |
| 07:07:30 | BHSPitLappy | ah |
| 07:07:39 | kkurbjun | I don't know much about the ipods, so I can't say either way. |
| 07:07:50 | * | BHSPitLappy like iDoom ;) |
| 07:07:55 | BHSPitLappy | s/like/likes |
| 07:08:01 | kkurbjun | does idoom have sound right now? |
| 07:08:04 | BHSPitLappy | no |
| 07:08:08 | kkurbjun | ahh |
| 07:08:27 | kkurbjun | : ), well rockdoom finally has one up on it |
| 07:08:41 | BHSPitLappy | I can imagine it takes a toll on the speed |
| 07:09:13 | kkurbjun | not much actually, there's a bit of a difference, but I have a feeling that most people won't notice it |
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| 07:09:35 | kkurbjun | I think it's as fast as the last version I compiled and released |
| 07:10:32 | kkurbjun | time for bed, night |
| 07:10:42 | midkay | night kkurbjun |
| 07:10:54 | BHSPitLappy | nite nite |
| 07:10:55 | BHSPitLappy | and good work |
| 07:11:03 | BHSPitLappy | :D |
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| 07:24:02 | midkay | hooray. clock main menu = basically, done. that was painless. |
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| 07:53:21 | Bg3r | morning |
| 07:53:34 | Jungti1234 | Hi Bg3r |
| 07:53:53 | midkay | hey Bg3r |
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| 09:03:46 | Bg3r | LinusN morning :) |
| 09:03:54 | LinusN | moo |
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| 09:04:00 | Bg3r | any news from iriver disassembling ? |
| 09:04:03 | Bg3r | uh :) |
| 09:04:06 | midkay | .... :) |
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| 09:04:19 | midkay | let |
| 09:04:25 | LinusN | moo again |
| 09:04:29 | midkay | hooray! |
| 09:04:52 | JdGordon | weeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:04:55 | midkay | i was going to suggest repeatedly /msg'ing you.. luckily you came back.. otherwise you would have been bombarded :) |
| 09:05:48 | Bg3r | any "news" from the iriver fw ? |
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| 09:06:54 | midkay | LinusN, so.. almost done with a major clock update (huge simplification... all operations are now based on a single main menu instead of keys and combos, also makes it easier to do iriver/ipod ports).. but i think i asked a long time ago: can i set the time from the plugin?.. if not, is it possible to add that to the API or something? |
| 09:07:31 | Bg3r | midkay you should just add a func to the api ... |
| 09:08:01 | Bg3r | if it isn't there already |
| 09:08:24 | midkay | Bg3r, mostly just clarifying that it's not there and that it's alright to add it.. if it's alright, i shall :) |
| 09:08:52 | Bg3r | just look for it in plugin.h ... |
| 09:08:53 | LinusN | midkay: rb->set_time(const struct tm *tm) |
| 09:09:26 | midkay | whee.. now whatever the hell that means.. thanks, i'll dig around in plugin.c for specifics |
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| 09:10:26 | LinusN | midkay: firmware/common/timefuncs.c contains the code |
| 09:10:41 | midkay | oh, and here i was checking settings.c - thanks :) |
| 09:10:57 | LinusN | grep is your friend |
| 09:11:04 | LinusN | get aquainted |
| 09:11:06 | midkay | *using cygwin now* :) |
| 09:11:09 | midkay | but yeah. |
| 09:11:20 | LinusN | cygwin has grep |
| 09:11:26 | Bg3r | as usual, LinusN said it before me |
| 09:11:31 | midkay | yeah, i thought of that after i said it :) |
| 09:11:45 | * | LinusN goes to fill a cup with black goo |
| 09:11:49 | midkay | was considering grep simply for linux in general.. |
| 09:11:56 | midkay | ew, disgusting. |
| 09:12:29 | Bg3r | midkay there was grep even in DOS's Borland C++ ... |
| 09:12:49 | midkay | Bg3r, thanks, textpad has find in files as well as windows search, so.. i'm covered 300% :) |
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| 09:30:52 | JdGordon | does any1 here listen to spineshank? |
| 09:33:30 | B4gder | find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs grep foo |
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| 09:37:41 | Membrillo | what do people think of this so far? http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.jpg |
| 09:38:04 | B4gder | nice! |
| 09:38:17 | JdGordon | haha nice |
| 09:38:44 | Membrillo | hehe thanks |
| 09:38:48 | Membrillo | http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.zip if you have an H300 |
| 09:38:49 | JdGordon | too bad about the song being played |
| 09:39:01 | Membrillo | aye. whats wrong with cat empire? |
| 09:39:08 | JdGordon | the suck :D |
| 09:39:11 | B4gder | it should be cow empire |
| 09:39:17 | Bg3r | :) |
| 09:39:25 | JdGordon | they* |
| 09:39:28 | Membrillo | B4gder: ...... *tumbleweed rolls* ..... |
| 09:39:29 | Membrillo | :P |
| 09:39:47 | midkay | night all |
| 09:39:49 | Membrillo | ah well theyre not everyones style i guess |
| 09:39:55 | Bg3r | this is just for B4gder :) |
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| 09:50:53 | * | B4gder smacks paypal |
| 09:51:35 | B4gder | "You're a customer of ours, we can bother you as much as we want" |
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| 09:54:06 | Zagor | I'm just glad they haven't started bothering me yet... |
| 09:54:24 | B4gder | they now even pester me with "reminders" |
| 09:54:40 | B4gder | and want me to *fax* papers to them |
| 09:54:45 | Zagor | !!! |
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| 09:55:19 | B4gder | I replied and told them all faxes died in the 80s over here |
| 09:55:22 | B4gder | :-) |
| 09:55:40 | B4gder | not really in those words though |
| 09:55:43 | Zagor | hehe |
| 09:56:40 | dwihno | Anyone ever had strange blanking problems with linux?= |
| 09:56:42 | B4gder | but replying to mails from paypal is just sending them into a huge void of nothing |
| 09:56:56 | B4gder | dwihno: no |
| 09:56:59 | Zagor | dwihno: blanking? |
| 09:57:16 | B4gder | only the screen saver getting started while watching "barbapappa" ;-) |
| 09:58:46 | dwihno | Zagor: Really strange thing. Perhaps something BIOS-related... After 1 minute, the screen is darker and after a couple of seconds, it it switched off... |
| 09:59:05 | dwihno | Zagor: The setterm init stuff initialize blanking @ 15 min and screen off @ 60min... |
| 09:59:18 | Zagor | console or x? |
| 09:59:19 | Lynx_ | why does my H340 sometimes transfer stuff with around 8-10 mb/sec over usb, and sometimes only with 3 mb/sec? 3 mb/sec is more than usb 1.1, right? |
| 09:59:43 | Zagor | Lynx_: yes, usb1.1 is 11Mbit/s |
| 09:59:52 | dwihno | Zagor: Actually both... |
| 09:59:54 | petur | Lynx_: your motherboard maybe has 1.1 and 2.0 ports? |
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| 10:00:14 | dwihno | Zagor: DPMS is set to kick in after 10 minutes |
| 10:00:20 | petur | or using an old hub? |
| 10:00:36 | Lynx_ | then i don't understand why there is such a clear speed difference, it's the same computer and port, and on different occasions i get the different speeds |
| 10:00:37 | Zagor | dwihno: which graphics card? |
| 10:00:55 | Lynx_ | petur: well, it's alsways faster than 1.1 |
| 10:01:04 | Zagor | Lynx_: don't run 'cube' while transferring files ;-) |
| 10:01:13 | Lynx_ | heh |
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| 10:01:32 | dwihno | Zagor: Nvidia GeForce440go |
| 10:01:55 | petur | Lynx_: same kind of files as well? |
| 10:01:56 | dwihno | Zagor: The more I think of it, I suspect BIOS screws something up. |
| 10:02:11 | Lynx_ | petur: yes, mp3 files |
| 10:02:37 | petur | Lynx_: so probably about the same size... |
| 10:02:48 | Lynx_ | petur: yes |
| 10:07:34 | dwihno | Zagor: I just found this entry in the BIOS (under power mgmt) "AC: Power Management: Enabled, Display time-out: 1 minute" |
| 10:07:37 | dwihno | Ha ha ha |
| 10:07:43 | * | dwihno laughs at his own stupidity :) |
| 10:07:54 | B4gder | haha |
| 10:08:03 | Zagor | :-) |
| 10:23:52 | Membrillo | when im recording with an EXT.mic on my H320... if the peak meters aren't touching the end, I won't get any clipping except if the actual microphone is overflowing |
| 10:24:47 | petur | yes |
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| 10:29:23 | Membrillo | awesome |
| 10:29:46 | Membrillo | recording a James Brown gig next friday and i want to get the best recording i can get |
| 10:30:10 | petur | How do you like the new recording gain setting? |
| 10:30:46 | Membrillo | havent checked it out, will do now |
| 10:31:38 | petur | next week I'm going to add the cliplight patch of Mmmm: it's an option to turn on the backlight if clipping accours |
| 10:32:04 | Membrillo | yeah it looks awesome |
| 10:32:15 | Membrillo | what about automatic gain adjustment? is that in planning? |
| 10:32:20 | Membrillo | possible even? |
| 10:32:50 | Membrillo | that cliplight patch sounds really useful though |
| 10:32:53 | petur | not easy to do it right |
| 10:33:21 | petur | Mmmm already offers a build with it in the forums - the cliplight that is |
| 10:33:40 | Membrillo | ah fair enough. so if clipping occurs you couldnt just lower gain by say one DB? |
| 10:34:03 | petur | something to think about :) |
| 10:34:32 | Membrillo | no rush :) but that would be the biggest feature of recording to me if it was implemented |
| 10:34:59 | Membrillo | no point doing it if its not done right though |
| 10:35:22 | petur | the problem is that one spike of (example) somebody hitting the mic could cause the gain to drop and ruin the recording |
| 10:35:54 | petur | and you obviously don't want gain to go up and down the whole time |
| 10:36:00 | Membrillo | thats true |
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| 10:39:51 | * | petur wished iRiver had included a mic amp with compression in the input circuit |
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| 10:41:12 | Membrillo | in anglais? |
| 10:41:44 | petur | dynamic range compression |
| 10:42:40 | petur | when recording accoustic sets you can't boost the gain enough because when people start clapping hands you get awful clipping |
| 10:43:04 | Membrillo | ah ok |
| 10:43:31 | Membrillo | but the set is way more important than the sound of clapping, you can always edit out the clapping, need be |
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| 10:44:25 | * | linuxstb spots a disgruntled customer in the irc logs... |
| 10:44:34 | preglow | oh? |
| 10:45:39 | linuxstb | Someone who failed to install Rockbox on his 4g. |
| 10:45:57 | linuxstb | And then failed to restore the apple firmware |
| 10:47:23 | linuxstb | jaebird: Are you around? |
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| 10:53:52 | markun | linuxstb: he was blaming you even :) |
| 10:54:31 | LinusN | markun: we all do ;-) |
| 10:55:08 | B4gder | oooh yes |
| 10:55:25 | * | LinusN joins the blame chant |
| 10:55:52 | markun | Is rockbox on ipod remapping all of the SDRAM or only the first part? |
| 10:56:12 | linuxstb | markun: All of it. |
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| 10:57:44 | stamppot | 2Ketheg |
| 10:57:46 | markun | I was hoping I only had to set 1 bit somewhere to map the SDRAM to 0, but I guess I have to use the TLB, right? |
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| 11:00:04 | linuxstb | I don't know. preglow did the remapping. |
| 11:01:39 | markun | preglow: didn't you just copy it from ipl without knowing what the code does? |
| 11:01:45 | dwihno | Zagor: You ever had problems getting vesa power off:ing working in console? |
| 11:01:57 | dwihno | Zagor: (power save) |
| 11:02:12 | preglow | markun: well, i know rougly what it does now |
| 11:02:28 | markun | can you explain it to me? |
| 11:02:29 | preglow | there's not tlb as such |
| 11:02:33 | preglow | just two registers |
| 11:02:40 | Zagor | i'm not running console much, so ... no :-) |
| 11:03:25 | dwihno | Zagor: aww :( |
| 11:03:31 | preglow | markun: i doubt it'll be applicable to gigabeat |
| 11:03:38 | preglow | it's almost certainly a portalplayer thing |
| 11:04:34 | B4gder | btw, did you spot this http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/08/portalplayer_wireless_ipod_chip/ |
| 11:05:02 | B4gder | PP5022 with wlan and bluetooth coming up |
| 11:05:17 | preglow | ugh... |
| 11:05:25 | * | preglow sings the driver coding blues |
| 11:06:06 | B4gder | it might be an indication about new ipod features |
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| 11:08:44 | B4gder | grrr, windows |
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| 11:14:42 | Zagor | too bad apple is hip-deep in the DRM swamp, so neither the bluetooth nor wifi will be as fun as it could |
| 11:15:03 | Zagor | ...enter rockobox ;) |
| 11:15:22 | Zagor | (rockobox?) |
| 11:15:48 | B4gder | rockobox is like the normal rockbox, only slightly cooler ;-) |
| 11:15:59 | Membrillo | rockobox? |
| 11:16:06 | linuxstb | Zagor: Are you volunteering to write bluetooth and wifi drivers for portalplayer's new chip? |
| 11:16:14 | * | linuxstb is impressed... |
| 11:16:19 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:16:20 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:16:21 | Membrillo | the extra vowel mean anything? |
| 11:16:30 | B4gder | and the TCP stack will be interesting |
| 11:16:35 | Zagor | Membrillo: no, typo |
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| 11:58:45 | Paprica | LinusN, can you take a look on that: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1426407&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 11:58:46 | Paprica | ? |
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| 12:00:50 | LinusN | Paprica: looks ok to me |
| 12:01:08 | Paprica | what do you think about commit it? |
| 12:01:32 | LinusN | you have my blessing |
| 12:01:51 | Paprica | so i can commit it? |
| 12:01:55 | LinusN | if it compiles on all platforms |
| 12:02:07 | Paprica | ok |
| 12:02:11 | Paprica | i'll check it |
| 12:02:16 | LinusN | good |
| 12:02:32 | Paprica | = |
| 12:02:32 | Paprica | =] |
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| 12:15:24 | Membrillo | so how does it work? do you make an image the length of the progress bar you want and it slowly reveals more of the image from left to right? |
| 12:20:27 | preglow | yes |
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| 12:26:30 | linuxstb | Is anyone planning on implementing the viewports idea? |
| 12:27:34 | LinusN | well, not exactly planning... |
| 12:28:04 | linuxstb | preglow: You mentioned an ipod playback bug the other night - something to do with seeking when you're near the end of a file. Have you been able to reproduce it? Have you tried doing the same on your iriver? |
| 12:29:16 | preglow | nope |
| 12:29:23 | preglow | viewports? |
| 12:29:41 | Paprica | can someone fix the fast forward bug? |
| 12:29:58 | linuxstb | lcd_set_viewport(x,y,width,height) and then all drawing (including text) takes place inside that viewport (with 0,0 being translated to x,y) |
| 12:30:50 | Paprica | the mrgins patch is start for it right? |
| 12:30:55 | Paprica | margins* |
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| 12:31:20 | linuxstb | I'm not sure. Maybe we will want both margins and viewports. |
| 12:31:33 | Paprica | ok |
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| 12:32:03 | Paprica | kkurbjun, the doom with the sound is realllllllllllly nice |
| 12:32:43 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: hey, I found out that the wavpack skipping problem has nothing to do with the encoder version... Regardless of whether they're encoded w/ version 4.1 or 4.3.1, files compressed normally play flawlessly, while files with high compression (-h flag) stutter |
| 12:32:53 | LinusN | linuxstb: implementing that, and adapting the rest of the rockbox code to use it requires some work |
| 12:33:22 | Zoide777 | fortunately, I also discovered that files compressed with the -x:6 option are almost as small as the -h ones, but they don't stutter in rockbox :) |
| 12:33:23 | preglow | Zoide777: ipod? |
| 12:33:27 | Zoide777 | yes |
| 12:33:32 | preglow | Zoide777: known issue |
| 12:33:34 | linuxstb | LinusN: I know - that's why I was hoping there was a volunteer... |
| 12:33:45 | preglow | wavpack needs optimising on ipods |
| 12:34:03 | preglow | luckily, the wavpack coder has an ipod now... |
| 12:34:08 | LinusN | linuxstb: i actually started that work, but was interrupted |
| 12:34:38 | Zoide777 | the only downside is that encoding w/ -x:6 is *very* slow, but once you've encoded it the decoding is fine (they call it assymetric b/c the complexity of encoding & decoding can be so different) |
| 12:35:35 | preglow | yes |
| 12:35:48 | preglow | a bit weird that -h files should struggle so on ipod |
| 12:36:04 | linuxstb | I tested a -h file on my h140, and it decoded with about 30%-40% boost. |
| 12:36:26 | preglow | space savings? |
| 12:37:52 | Zoide777 | I say if you're willing to wait a good while to encode, then -x:6 is the best, since it's almost as small as -h but doesn't decode slowly like -h does |
| 12:38:01 | linuxstb | The -h file was 12,049,023 bytes, and the normal was 12,185,320 |
| 12:38:20 | linuxstb | So negligible imo. |
| 12:38:43 | Zoide777 | for some files the difference between -h and no flag is bigger, though |
| 12:38:51 | preglow | yeah |
| 12:38:56 | preglow | we'll support them sooner or later, don't worry |
| 12:40:01 | linuxstb | Zoide777: Can you remind me which ipod you have? |
| 12:40:12 | Zoide777 | Is there a way of accelerating the scroll wheel when browsing through the file list? It seems like right now it has a fixed speed that applies to both menus and the file list, correct? |
| 12:40:16 | Zoide777 | 4g grayscale |
| 12:40:21 | preglow | god, how i don't look forward to codecs on the 3g and less devices |
| 12:40:28 | preglow | it'll be a bloody nightmare |
| 12:40:32 | linuxstb | Do you get any problems when running the Apple firmware? |
| 12:40:41 | linuxstb | (like a corrupted display) |
| 12:40:48 | Zoide777 | the display is inverted, and there is a bar on the left |
| 12:41:06 | Zoide777 | iirc the "bar" is more like a gap where you can see the rockbox text behind |
| 12:41:19 | preglow | i used to have that on nano before i fixed the driver |
| 12:41:43 | linuxstb | So there's probably still bugs in the lcd code then. |
| 12:41:44 | Zoide777 | for some reason, though, the Apple display has no problems when the ipod is connected to the usb port |
| 12:41:50 | Zoide777 | (ie. for transferring files) |
| 12:42:04 | linuxstb | That will be because it enters disk mode before running the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 12:42:16 | linuxstb | The Rockbox bootloader is obviously doing something bad to the LCD. |
| 12:43:08 | Zoide777 | this might be a very stupid question, but is there a way to make rockbox sleep as opposed to completely shutting down and starting up every time? |
| 12:43:44 | preglow | not for now |
| 12:45:01 | Zoide777 | it seems that Rockbox boots much more slowly with the most recent build than with the ones from a couple days ago or so |
| 12:45:43 | linuxstb | Maybe it's your settings - are you using a complicated WPS with bitmaps? |
| 12:46:23 | Zoide777 | it's the one with the dancing happy faces... hehe |
| 12:46:32 | Zoide777 | the thing is that most of the other ones don't quite work |
| 12:47:00 | linuxstb | sleep mode isn't important to me - Rockbox boots fast enough for it to just be a waste of power. And with auto-resume, it behaves like a sleep. |
| 12:48:16 | linuxstb | Zoide777: Can you try changing your WPS back to the default, and seeing if that makes a difference to your boot speed? |
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| 12:50:06 | Zoide777 | I'll do that as soon as I can. For now I'm transferring some songs to my ipod and it's going pretty slow. I think it's not rockbox's fault though, since I'm converting some wavpacks from -h to -x6, and it slows down everything |
| 12:52:03 | Zoide777 | is there a way of adding custom fonts? I like using the unicode font for Chinese songs, etc. but it's a bit too big |
| 12:52:33 | markun | The fonts are converted from BDF files |
| 12:52:55 | markun | You can also convert true type fonts to BDF, but they usually don't look very good |
| 12:53:02 | ep0ch | dapreview.net reckons October for the wifIpod, which means i'll have to play the waiting game AGAIN! |
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| 12:53:54 | preglow | that fits me _very_ well |
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| 12:54:45 | Zoide777 | markun: ok, thanks. I guess my real issue right now would be to reorganize or rename my songs, since currently the Artist - Title.mp3 format takes up a lot of space on screen. So far there is no database view (e.g. by tags) of the files in rockbox, right? |
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| 12:55:11 | preglow | yes, there is |
| 12:55:15 | preglow | but it's a bit outdated |
| 12:55:17 | linuxstb | Zoide777: The general solution is to organise by directory - i.e. Artist/Album/NN-file.wv |
| 12:55:19 | preglow | a newer one is comming Real Soon Now |
| 12:55:29 | Zoide777 | !?!?! that would be awesome |
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| 12:56:28 | Zoide777 | maybe you could piggyback off of ephpod or something like that |
| 12:56:48 | B4gder | what's that? |
| 12:57:00 | ts|gone | :D |
| 12:57:02 | ts|gone | lunch break |
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| 12:57:12 | t0mas | time to fix the remote builds |
| 12:57:24 | Zoide777 | it's a free program for windows and linux that lets you manage your ipod songs |
| 12:57:38 | Zoide777 | it uses the itunes database |
| 12:57:45 | B4gder | *shrug* |
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| 13:00:17 | linuxstb | Zoide777: Have you ever tried installing ipodlinux? |
| 13:00:34 | preglow | Zoide777: we're using our own solution |
| 13:00:47 | preglow | Zoide777: basically, the player will build the database for you |
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| 13:01:11 | Zoide777 | but ipodlinux doesn't support wavpack, right? |
| 13:01:16 | preglow | no |
| 13:01:23 | preglow | i bet he's thinking about the display |
| 13:01:42 | linuxstb | I am. I can't see any differences in the Rockbox and IPL lcd drivers... |
| 13:01:47 | tucoz | Hi, sorry for being lazy. But, how do I create a patch where several new directories were added and images are included in those? |
| 13:02:34 | B4gder | diff -ruN [olddir] [newdir] perhaps |
| 13:02:45 | linuxstb | Does that work with binary files? |
| 13:02:54 | B4gder | ah, I guess not |
| 13:03:08 | B4gder | patch and binary is no good pair |
| 13:03:21 | linuxstb | I would just zip up the images, and create a patch for everything else. |
| 13:03:34 | B4gder | I agree |
| 13:03:34 | tucoz | How are wps's patched? I though we have to figure out some way to make additions to the manual |
| 13:04:21 | tucoz | Some convenient way for people to create patches, and include images. |
| 13:04:36 | B4gder | there is none, afaik |
| 13:05:24 | tucoz | hmm, what will happen with the binary files if I run cvs diff? Will it ignore binary files? |
| 13:05:39 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: the default wps does indeed boot faster. thanks. |
| 13:07:16 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: meanwhile it seems that something must be wrong with DancePuffDuo, since it took > 2 minutes to load (by groing to Browse Themes after booting with the default) |
| 13:08:01 | tucoz | anyway. Henrico has posted a new manual source tree on the tracker. I think the directory structure looks nice. That is the image directories. Some screenshots for the h1xx plugins are included as well. |
| 13:08:31 | Zoide777 | actually, iAmp is also taking forever to load |
| 13:09:00 | linuxstb | Are you playing music at the same time? |
| 13:09:09 | Zoide777 | nope |
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| 13:11:21 | linuxstb | WPS loading is generally quite slow (due to the large number of tiny bitmaps), but I don't think anyone's complained that it takes > 2 minutes before. About 5 seconds is normal - less on some players. |
| 13:12:02 | preglow | iamp loads pretty fast here |
| 13:12:04 | preglow | couple of secs |
| 13:12:08 | linuxstb | Maybe your disk is extremely fragmented. |
| 13:12:21 | linuxstb | but I still wouldn't expect 2 minutes... |
| 13:12:33 | preglow | fragmented drive shouldn't affect the bmp files |
| 13:12:40 | preglow | they're not large enough to be fragmented |
| 13:12:55 | linuxstb | true. I'm just scrambling for an explanation... |
| 13:12:55 | petur | but maybe scattered all over the place |
| 13:12:57 | preglow | might of course be spread anywya, but yeah |
| 13:13:22 | petur | is the disk almost full? |
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| 13:16:01 | Zoide777 | not really; i did run the windows xp defrag on the ipod today to try to make it faster |
| 13:16:19 | Zoide777 | I guess it's possible that some key files are fragmented all over the place, though |
| 13:24:28 | tucoz | linuxstb: there is a little problem when adding screenshots though. Let's say I add screenshots to manual/chapter5/images/h1xx/ss_solitaire.png and the directory contains lot's of other screenshots. It is quite unconvenient to use zip for this. Then we have to always remember all the screenshots that were added in this session. |
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| 13:25:52 | tucoz | that is, to not include the older ones in the zip. |
| 13:26:25 | B4gder | http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ perhaps? |
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| 13:26:58 | B4gder | (never tried it, just googled around) |
| 13:27:38 | tucoz | checking it out |
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| 13:28:14 | B4gder | there seem to exist many "binary diff" tools |
| 13:29:14 | tucoz | ok, good |
| 13:29:51 | B4gder | http://freshmeat.net/projects/bdiff/ http://jojodiff.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:29:57 | B4gder | are two more |
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| 13:31:10 | tucoz | it would be great if we found something included in standard linux-dist. However, I'll try these out. |
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| 13:31:37 | ashridah | xdelta does binary diffs to |
| 13:32:35 | linuxstb | I would hope that the people who are active on the manual can be given cvs write access - so there will be no need for diffs floating around. |
| 13:33:21 | B4gder | sure, but there will always be people who contribute that don't have cvs access |
| 13:33:36 | B4gder | or at least I hope so |
| 13:33:58 | Zoide777 | gotta go sleep, bye and thanks |
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| 13:40:24 | B4gder | "Poor libfaad, nobody likes him/her." |
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| 13:40:37 | B4gder | very nicely put by the stats engine |
| 13:40:42 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:41:37 | tucoz | hehe |
| 13:42:45 | tucoz | xdelta only work on file-pairs. could we perhaps use tar to create a tarball of the two working directories and run xdelta on those two files? |
| 13:42:50 | muesli__ | high |
| 13:42:58 | tucoz | Or do you think that is too cumbersome? |
| 13:43:11 | ashridah | tucoz: it probably is, unfortunately, i'd forgotten that. |
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| 13:46:20 | tucoz | and bdiff only work with file pairs... |
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| 13:47:31 | linuxstb | This is possibly a stupid idea, but we could to store images in a text format, such as .xpm I've just done a test, and a 24-bit 220x176 bitmap (a photo) is 116214 bytes, but the .xpm is only 82350 bytes. |
| 13:47:56 | tucoz | cool |
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| 13:49:08 | linuxstb | The png version is 76664 bytes. |
| 13:49:16 | linuxstb | (116214 was .bmp) |
| 13:51:08 | tucoz | linuxstb, that sounds like an idea worth thinking of |
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| 13:51:44 | preglow | can latex use xpms? |
| 13:51:46 | preglow | i doubt it |
| 13:52:09 | petur | I'm a bit amazed by its efficiency, is that lossless? |
| 13:52:24 | preglow | yes |
| 13:52:31 | petur | nice |
| 13:53:00 | preglow | i think they only work that well for pictures with a low amount of colours |
| 13:53:29 | linuxstb | My example bitmap was a photo - so it has a fair number of colours. |
| 13:53:35 | petur | aha... http://koala.ilog.fr/lehors/xpm.html |
| 13:53:55 | ST | kkurban: can i rename the rockbox.iriver to rockbox-doom.iriver and also move that doom.rock to the latest optimized build, because v0.6 hasnt been included in it yet, so rockdoom will still work with RBO right or do i have to do anything else? |
| 13:54:49 | linuxstb | Ah, seems that somewhere my image was reduced to 256 colours. But that's still more than most Rockbox screenshots will have. |
| 13:55:30 | ST | kkurbjun sorry |
| 13:55:36 | t0mas | Bagder? |
| 13:55:39 | t0mas | are you around? |
| 13:55:56 | * | B4gder hides behind t0mas |
| 13:56:08 | * | t0mas turns around and points at his pm yesterday |
| 13:56:17 | t0mas | have some testing floder ready? |
| 13:56:21 | t0mas | *folder |
| 13:56:35 | B4gder | sure I have plenty! ;-) |
| 13:56:58 | t0mas | ok |
| 13:57:03 | t0mas | I have fixed the cvs update problem |
| 13:57:09 | t0mas | all servers update once |
| 13:57:36 | t0mas | and I have a build running now... using the master for building some targets too |
| 13:57:43 | t0mas | just to check |
| 13:58:27 | tucoz | linuxstb: shall we just stick to the zipping in the meantime? until we figure out a better solution I mean |
| 13:58:47 | linuxstb | I can't think of any better solutions. |
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| 14:00:11 | linuxstb | Maybe someone could write some shell scripts which only zips up files modified after a certain time or something similar to help. |
| 14:00:24 | tucoz | Ok, what do you think of the directory structure as Henrico made? that is chapter1/images/h1xx chapter1/images/h300 etc |
| 14:01:09 | linuxstb | That doesn't solve the problem of 95% of the images being the same for h300 and ipod color. |
| 14:01:25 | tucoz | ah, same resolution? hmm. |
| 14:01:52 | linuxstb | (and lots of other pairs of targets, such as most of the Archos devices I would guess) |
| 14:02:24 | tucoz | But he was talking of a \simplatform macro as well. I think that groups platforms somehow. |
| 14:02:39 | tucoz | groups by resolution |
| 14:03:04 | linuxstb | You could have two macros defining screenshot directories - one for generic screenshots, and one for target-specific screenshots. |
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| 14:04:03 | tucoz | Yes, hmm. linuxstb I got to go, do you have time to fill in that in the ManualHowto discussion? |
| 14:04:11 | linuxstb | So when you reference a screenshot in the main .tex files, you will need to know if the screenshot is generic (i.e. same for all targets with that size/depth LCD) or different. |
| 14:04:24 | linuxstb | Yes, I'll add something now. |
| 14:04:33 | tucoz | thanks. see you later |
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| 14:09:31 | preglow | anyone know if ida pro supports emac instructions? |
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| 14:24:22 | B4gder | markun: that line 4 looks odd |
| 14:24:39 | B4gder | of francais.lang |
| 14:24:47 | markun | I'll take a look at it |
| 14:26:52 | markun | B4gder: there is a UTF-8 marker at the beginning that vim didn't pick up. Is that what makes line 4 odd for you maybe? |
| 14:27:00 | B4gder | yes I think so |
| 14:27:10 | B4gder | I just noticed in the commit mail |
| 14:27:18 | t0mas | B4gder? |
| 14:27:19 | t0mas | Illegal division by zero at ./showbuilds.pl line 232. |
| 14:27:43 | t0mas | it doesn't know numbuilds |
| 14:28:03 | t0mas | but I can't find where it tries to get it from |
| 14:28:15 | * | B4gder is on a printk()ing venture |
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| 14:28:44 | markun | B4gder: should be fixed now |
| 14:33:26 | B4gder | confirmed |
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| 14:36:29 | B4gder | t0mas: numbuilds = scalar(keys %alltypes); |
| 14:36:41 | t0mas | found that line |
| 14:36:51 | t0mas | any idea why it becomes 0 ? |
| 14:36:54 | B4gder | alltypes is a hash which all build "types" |
| 14:37:18 | B4gder | I would say it doesn't find any "Build Type" line |
| 14:37:29 | t0mas | hm... |
| 14:37:46 | t0mas | Build Type: iriver H100 - Normal |
| 14:38:01 | t0mas | Build Type: iriver H120 - Normal |
| 14:38:06 | t0mas | Build Type: iriver H300 - Normal |
| 14:38:10 | t0mas | Vi does find them... |
| 14:38:15 | B4gder | what's that first letter? |
| 14:38:20 | t0mas | space |
| 14:38:25 | B4gder | there you go |
| 14:38:34 | B4gder | /^Build Type: (.*)/ |
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| 14:38:46 | t0mas | ah, the original script does add spaces to the build log |
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| 14:38:50 | t0mas | but not for those headers... |
| 14:39:08 | linuxstb | How is the distributed building coming along? Do we have many volunteer servers? |
| 14:39:10 | B4gder | and there's the reason! ;-) |
| 14:39:18 | jaebird | B4gder: did you get my 4g gray image? |
| 14:39:25 | * | t0mas does one last test build |
| 14:39:30 | t0mas | everything should work now :) |
| 14:39:39 | B4gder | linuxstb: we focus on getting a system for it going first, then we'll chase down server owners |
| 14:39:54 | B4gder | jaebird: no... where? |
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| 14:40:04 | linuxstb | B4gder: OK. Are you building your own system? |
| 14:40:08 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:40:13 | jaebird | http://gdl.imeem.net/g/4fd8b78142f57cae95788383466f2716.jpg |
| 14:40:29 | B4gder | thanks |
| 14:40:31 | t0mas | linuxstb: We're almost done with the system |
| 14:40:34 | t0mas | ready for testing... |
| 14:40:43 | t0mas | what compilers do you have on your server? |
| 14:40:56 | linuxstb | jaebird: I read last night's IRC logs :) Do you have also problems with the Apple firmware when the Rockbox bootloader is installed? |
| 14:41:07 | jaebird | linuxstb: I've noticed that sometimes there is a horizontal line in the screen when Rockbox first boots up |
| 14:41:36 | linuxstb | But it fixes itself? |
| 14:41:45 | * | B4gder goes for coffee break |
| 14:42:04 | linuxstb | t0mas: Are you asking me? |
| 14:42:08 | t0mas | jup |
| 14:42:22 | t0mas | (I am building that distributed buildsystem) |
| 14:42:26 | linuxstb | I have them all, but my "server" is just my workstation PC at home connected via ADSL. |
| 14:42:41 | t0mas | ok,I assume it's on 24/7 |
| 14:42:49 | linuxstb | Yes - but sometimes the ADSL isn't.... |
| 14:42:53 | jaebird | linuxstb: i don't think i have trouble with it...sometimes it is hard to get into it tho |
| 14:42:56 | t0mas | hm.. we're working on that |
| 14:43:15 | t0mas | linuxstb: mind helping in the test phase? |
| 14:43:25 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm happy to help testing - but I don't think I'll be useful for production use. |
| 14:44:03 | jaebird | linuxstb: just tried it...the apple fw works fine. |
| 14:44:11 | t0mas | ok, I'll contact you in a few minutes by PM... |
| 14:44:17 | t0mas | just fixing the last few glitches :) |
| 14:44:27 | jaebird | About the screen...yes eventually the line slowly disappears |
| 14:45:00 | jaebird | it is almost like the lcd has a little memory? I notice that sometimes it is there when I shutdown |
| 14:45:29 | jaebird | IRC was a good ol time last night :) |
| 14:45:47 | jaebird | BTW: I put up my build on the IpodInstallation page |
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| 14:47:00 | jaebird | B4gder: what is this distributed build thing about? |
| 14:47:04 | t0mas | linuxstb: (next question :)) do you have ccache installed? |
| 14:47:16 | linuxstb | No - is it simply "apt-get ccache" ? |
| 14:47:19 | t0mas | jaebird: have you seen the daily build table? |
| 14:47:25 | linuxstb | I mean apt-get install... |
| 14:47:25 | t0mas | linuxstb: I assume it is... |
| 14:47:48 | linuxstb | Then the answer is yes - I now have ccache installed. |
| 14:47:52 | jaebird | yes |
| 14:47:57 | * | linuxstb loves Debian... |
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| 14:48:03 | t0mas | It took over 32 minutes to build all of them |
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| 14:48:20 | t0mas | we now speeded that up to 17 minutes |
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| 14:48:32 | linuxstb | jaebird: Can you test the bootloader-4g.bin I put on the ipodinstallation page? |
| 14:48:37 | t0mas | and we're trying to distribute the build to multiple servers, to make it even faster |
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| 14:48:50 | jaebird | sure...please hold! |
| 14:49:05 | jaebird | what is the difference...improved? |
| 14:49:11 | linuxstb | No, it's the same. |
| 14:49:32 | linuxstb | There shouldn't be any differences between that one and current CVS. |
| 14:50:21 | jaebird | linuxstb: what happend to the files I put there? |
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| 14:51:10 | linuxstb | I moved them :) If there were problems with the 4g builds, I didn't want people installing it if they don't know what they are doing. |
| 14:51:39 | linuxstb | As soon as someone tells me everything is OK, Bagder will make official bleeding edge/daily builds available from the usual place. |
| 14:51:58 | jaebird | ok...but the bootloader that I had put there was newer than that, and someone said that they had trouble with yours |
| 14:52:21 | linuxstb | It was newer, but the relevant CVS code hadn't changed. |
| 14:52:48 | jaebird | ok. |
| 14:55:04 | jaebird | well I tested it and no problems...but if CVS hadn't changed then I was already running the same version for 12 hrs :) |
| 14:55:36 | jaebird | t0mas: what about the build table...is it the time it takes to build? |
| 14:55:52 | t0mas | it takes to long... |
| 14:55:57 | t0mas | it was 32 minutes |
| 14:56:04 | t0mas | we have now cut it down to 17-18 minutes |
| 14:56:11 | jaebird | so that is why we want to distribute the build? |
| 14:56:16 | markun | B4gder: I'm color blind and have a lot of trouble with this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 14:56:18 | t0mas | yes |
| 14:56:23 | markun | Could they be changed a little? |
| 14:56:30 | markun | The red and green |
| 14:56:36 | jaebird | well I have a linux box behind a static ip that can be used |
| 14:56:51 | XavierGr | markun: colour blind, or dyschomatopsia? |
| 14:56:57 | t0mas | ok, I'm now going through the installing of 1 client with linuxstb |
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| 14:57:00 | jaebird | up time is pretty good when ISP is good |
| 14:57:05 | t0mas | great |
| 14:57:10 | t0mas | you have the compilers we need? |
| 14:57:37 | lostlogic | t0mas: get me setup too ;) |
| 14:57:39 | jaebird | I do on my main workstation, I haven't done the build on the server yet...but it wouldn't take too long ot setup. |
| 14:57:51 | lostlogic | I have all the compilers, and I'm in a colo |
| 14:57:56 | markun | B4gder: This is more or less what I see :) http://vischeck.homeip.net/uploads/113957983023000/ |
| 14:58:00 | t0mas | lostlogic: super |
| 14:58:23 | markun | XavierGr: I guess the last one |
| 14:58:24 | t0mas | I'll write a doc on how to setup a compiler client |
| 14:58:41 | lostlogic | k, link me to it |
| 14:58:57 | t0mas | jup, can you pm me your e-mail address? |
| 14:59:03 | t0mas | and jaebird too? |
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| 15:00:16 | t0mas | jaebird: you can use normal pm... /msg t0mas hi |
| 15:00:40 | XavierGr | markun there is a lage difference between the 2 |
| 15:00:45 | Zagor | markun: how should we change it? |
| 15:01:09 | markun | A darker red would be nice |
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| 15:01:27 | markun | Or darker green if that looks better to you |
| 15:01:31 | jaebird | alright...while in my TZ it is time to go to work. |
| 15:01:37 | XavierGr | colour blindess is that you can't recognize colour at all (achromatopsia) |
| 15:02:19 | XavierGr | in dyschromatopsia you can't recognise some relative colours (white-green, yellow) |
| 15:02:38 | jaebird | linuxstb: my ipod seems to be ready for a daily build...pretty stable |
| 15:02:44 | muesli__ | yellow and green can be nasty either :o |
| 15:02:58 | linuxstb | jaebird: is that with the bootloader-4g.bin I put on the site? |
| 15:03:04 | jaebird | yup |
| 15:03:14 | linuxstb | So I wonder what that person's problem last night was.... |
| 15:03:19 | jaebird | like I said the little LCD line disappears eventually |
| 15:03:24 | XavierGr | I have dyschromatopsia, and sometimes I get pretty confused on some colours. Though I don't have the problem in the page you are referring |
| 15:03:28 | jaebird | do NOT worry about that guy |
| 15:03:34 | jaebird | there were some other things he did |
| 15:03:54 | jaebird | I think it fubar'd the bootloader when he merged the two |
| 15:04:01 | linuxstb | I'm not worried - but if one person can mess it up, others can. If we knew what mistakes he made, we could improve the instructions. |
| 15:04:07 | jaebird | he didn't seem to even have a working apple_os.bin |
| 15:04:11 | markun | XavierGr: Can you check which one is yours? http://www.vischeck.com/examples/ |
| 15:04:17 | linuxstb | Yes, I read he was using ipodwizard to hack it. |
| 15:04:31 | markun | XavierGr: I have deuteranopia |
| 15:04:39 | jaebird | maybe a script that would do the commands automatically |
| 15:04:42 | linuxstb | OK, I'll ask B4gder to add it to the daily builds. |
| 15:04:54 | linuxstb | B4gder: Can you add the 4g grayscale to the daily builds? :) |
| 15:05:01 | B4gder | yessir! |
| 15:05:08 | jaebird | the first time I did it I accidently added the ripped bootloader.bin with the apple_os.bin |
| 15:05:10 | XavierGr | markun yeah I can't see the number in the circel |
| 15:05:14 | XavierGr | ^circle |
| 15:05:18 | markun | me neither |
| 15:05:24 | jaebird | then my partition overran! |
| 15:05:44 | linuxstb | jaebird: Ideally we want a GUI installer. But a DOS batch file would be a useful interim measure, if possible. |
| 15:05:45 | jaebird | luckily I relized something was wrong and corrected before reboot |
| 15:06:13 | preglow | witchcraft! |
| 15:06:38 | jaebird | don't know if it is said enough...thankyou everyone for rockbox on ipod |
| 15:06:43 | jaebird | cya |
| 15:08:20 | Zagor | markun: is this better? |
| 15:09:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:11:03 | markun | Zagor: yes, perfect! |
| 15:11:07 | markun | Thanks |
| 15:11:46 | linuxstb | jaebird: You're welcome. I've also changed the structure of the IpodStatus page you started last night. We needed somewhere to list all the known problems. |
| 15:12:39 | markun | Zagor: The first time I saw the chart (maybe a year ago) I didn't even see the different colours. I only noticed it after looking at the wiki source :) |
| 15:12:59 | Zagor | haha |
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| 15:15:05 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, we agreed that not having more than on scroll message in the queue at any time is the best thing? |
| 15:15:09 | preglow | one, yes |
| 15:15:33 | XavierGr | markun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteranopia <- funky examples at the right of the page. |
| 15:15:53 | preglow | the top one is hard for me too |
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| 15:16:17 | XavierGr | I can only recognise the last |
| 15:16:32 | XavierGr | (If I watch very carefully) |
| 15:16:43 | B4gder | say hi to ipod4gray |
| 15:17:15 | linuxstb | preglow: That worked well for me. But didn't amiconn have some alternative suggestions? |
| 15:18:39 | linuxstb | ipod4gray or ipod4ggray? I've just been calling him/her ipod4g |
| 15:19:13 | linuxstb | Did you add all three builds (boot/normal/sdl sim) ? |
| 15:19:14 | preglow | linuxstb: i think he gave in |
| 15:19:17 | linuxstb | OK :) |
| 15:19:18 | markun | XavierGr: I can see all except for the 3rd. Might look different on my CRT at home |
| 15:19:20 | B4gder | ipod4gray |
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| 15:19:30 | B4gder | and I'll add normal and boot to the build table |
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| 15:19:55 | B4gder | sim too you think? |
| 15:20:11 | XavierGr | why are there still sim32 builds in the table? |
| 15:21:35 | muesli__ | XavierGr i cant see the 2nd :) |
| 15:22:17 | muesli__ | and the 3rd is not very clear, is it 44/49? |
| 15:22:19 | linuxstb | B4gder: I'm not sure. As there are no developers with a 4g grayscale, it's possibly a good idea to build everything. |
| 15:24:10 | XavierGr | haha sometimes I have trouble to recognise black from red (in great distance though) that means I have Protanomaly |
| 15:24:38 | preglow | linuxstb: all boils down to the fact that the clickwheels don't have feedback of any kind, so you can't use it blindly |
| 15:24:39 | XavierGr | there are better tests. Those with the circles |
| 15:24:51 | muesli__ | hate those ;-p |
| 15:25:36 | linuxstb | preglow: I would say commit your change - it will be easy to change again in the future if we find a better solution. |
| 15:26:07 | linuxstb | But I think it's important for rockbox to stop responding as soon as you stop touching the clickwheel. |
| 15:28:00 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, i'll just commit the quick queue_empty hack |
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| 15:34:34 | jaebird | linuxstb: pm me your email and I'll send you that m4a sample |
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| 15:37:46 | preglow | linuxstb: of course, there's always the problem that it will react to one clickwheel event if rockbox became busy before one had registered, but yeah, i can't firx that easily |
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| 15:41:25 | linuxstb | I don't think that's a big problem compared to what's happening now. |
| 15:42:54 | B4gder | a yellow 4g build is up |
| 15:43:36 | linuxstb | OK, I'll fix that. Can you add a link to the bleeding edge build at the bottom of the page? |
| 15:43:47 | B4gder | certainly |
| 15:44:05 | jaebird | IpodStatus has a showstopper bug for 4g gray? |
| 15:44:20 | linuxstb | That needs removing. |
| 15:46:08 | linuxstb | jaebird: If you're editing the page now, you can add a tick in the daily builds column for the 4g. |
| 15:47:45 | jaebird | done. |
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| 15:48:14 | BHSPitLappy2 | does 3G work at all? |
| 15:48:14 | jaebird | now I must really go :) |
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| 15:50:51 | linuxstb | BHSPitLappy: I think Rockbox just about boots, but then crashes quite early. slimx hasn't been around for a while, so I don't know what progress he's made. |
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| 15:51:26 | BHSPitLappy | ah. |
| 15:52:44 | linuxstb | B4gder: Thanks for adding the link. |
| 15:52:51 | * | B4gder bows |
| 15:53:16 | B4gder | boot and sim builds should appear on the next build(s) |
| 15:53:45 | linuxstb | That's a very damaged-looking build table at the moment... |
| 15:53:58 | B4gder | hehe, yes |
| 15:55:46 | preglow | sim32 is win32? |
| 15:55:50 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:55:58 | preglow | i look forward to being rid of them |
| 15:56:02 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:56:08 | preglow | how long are builds now? |
| 15:56:17 | preglow | oooh |
| 15:56:22 | preglow | if that estimate is correct, it's not bad |
| 15:56:49 | B4gder | you can see that the previous took 21 minutes |
| 15:57:27 | linuxstb | Does the server have two CPUs? |
| 15:57:30 | preglow | yes |
| 15:57:31 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:57:36 | preglow | echo |
| 15:57:48 | B4gder | echo |
| 15:57:50 | B4gder | ;-P |
| 15:58:02 | preglow | took you long enough! |
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| 16:01:53 | XavierGr | why do you keep the sim32 builds? I thought the reason to switch over to SDL was to get rid of X11 and w32 |
| 16:02:53 | LinusN | XavierGr: you can still build the sdl sim on both win32 and linux |
| 16:03:59 | XavierGr | yes, that's why I asked why win32 sims are build in the build table. |
| 16:03:59 | preglow | fortunately, the code base should be virtually identical |
| 16:04:19 | XavierGr | why not just build the SDL only (in the daily builds) |
| 16:04:47 | LinusN | i believe there are still quite a few differences |
| 16:04:52 | XavierGr | and as I can see H300 w32 sim is already removed |
| 16:05:01 | XavierGr | ah also I forgot: |
| 16:05:15 | XavierGr | I execure rockboxui.exe −−background |
| 16:05:36 | XavierGr | while it will load the sim with the bmp the remote screen will not be displayed |
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| 16:28:49 | preglow | wavpack seems to work for me? |
| 16:33:08 | preglow | and what is the format of the DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH thing again? i think i remeber it varying... |
| 16:35:25 | linuxstb | preglow: Is that wavpack -h ? |
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| 16:36:36 | preglow | yeah, i think it's -h |
| 16:36:58 | preglow | btw, i think it's time to do the 29 bit audio output transition |
| 16:37:03 | preglow | think i'll start a bit' |
| 16:37:30 | preglow | libmad uses that natively, so that's ok, flac and shorten are quick fixes |
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| 16:45:36 | Paprica | what do you think on commit ipod color wps? |
| 16:45:39 | Paprica | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/wps/ipodcolor.bmp |
| 16:49:42 | preglow | h300? |
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| 16:50:14 | Paprica | h300/ipod photo |
| 16:50:39 | preglow | i want it for nano too :// |
| 16:50:42 | preglow | but it looks pretty nice |
| 16:51:02 | preglow | where have you gotten the bitmaps? |
| 16:51:04 | Paprica | mm no problem to do it for the nano too |
| 16:51:28 | Paprica | from ipod photo |
| 16:51:35 | preglow | copied from the firmware? |
| 16:51:40 | Paprica | no |
| 16:51:47 | Paprica | from very ugly photo |
| 16:52:02 | Paprica | =\ |
| 16:52:06 | preglow | Bagder: what say you? |
| 16:52:29 | preglow | Bagder: i guess apple doesn't have copyright of a photo taken of their gui? :> |
| 16:52:38 | Paprica | haha |
| 16:52:39 | Paprica | =] |
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| 17:13:15 | steveb | can anyone help me - for some reason rock box wont play some ogg's i have. i have an iRiver h300 with the h300 optimized build on. it just says "Opening file" and then "No file" |
| 17:13:24 | steveb | for some reason it sees the files but has problems playing them |
| 17:13:38 | steveb | these are oggs encoded at 256kbps |
| 17:16:40 | steveb | i gtg. if anyone knows can you msg me or highlight me here? |
| 17:17:17 | lostlogic | steveb: do they have weird tags in them? I bet they do |
| 17:17:27 | muesli__ | XavierGr didnt u provide a patch to quick-exit from menu? |
| 17:18:17 | linuxstb | steveb: Can you also try with the latest official Rockbox build? |
| 17:22:49 | ep0ch | steveb: can you host one for me? i'll take a look |
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| 17:50:00 | tucoz | linuxstb: what do you think about renaming the chapter-dirs to their content name instead of chapter name and let TeX do the numbering instead? |
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| 17:50:27 | linuxstb | I agree with that. I think calling them "chapter1" is just going to cause problems. |
| 17:50:54 | tucoz | Yes, it is not certain that chapter3 will always be chapter3 after all |
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| 17:51:03 | fairway | hi all |
| 17:51:51 | fairway | i was just wondering |
| 17:51:59 | fairway | but the skipping bug on the ipod seems to be fixed |
| 17:53:06 | linuxstb | Yes - that was fixed a while ago. |
| 17:53:17 | linuxstb | Well, a few days ago.... |
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| 17:54:32 | fairway | linuxstb: very cool |
| 17:55:21 | fairway | i would say rockbox is fully usable now on the ipod |
| 17:55:29 | fairway | it's just a matter of performance now |
| 17:56:03 | fairway | one could use a seperate thread for the user interactions (menu scrollings etc) running on the 2nd cpu |
| 17:58:29 | linuxstb | Battery status is fairly important. But yes, apart from that it's mainly performance. |
| 17:58:57 | linuxstb | Battery life is also an issue - which is why I'm not in any rush to start using the second cpu. |
| 17:59:26 | linuxstb | IMO, the aim should be to get Rockbox working comfortably on a single CPU. |
| 17:59:51 | linuxstb | We could use the second CPU only when extra power is needed - e.g. playing games whilst listening to music, or maybe video decoding in the future. |
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| 18:02:47 | Paprica | mm someone can fix the ff bug? |
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| 18:03:45 | fairway | when you p |
| 18:03:51 | fairway | press pause there is a delay |
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| 18:06:55 | linuxstb | Paprica: What ff bug? |
| 18:08:39 | linuxstb | fairway: I can't notice any delay... |
| 18:10:33 | t0mas | Bagder! we need you! ;) |
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| 18:11:27 | NicoFR | maybe Paprica is talking about the fact that the progressbar falls back to the original position for a split when you FF or RW |
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| 18:15:11 | allix | ive heard that iaudio port is on its way, i presume i can use one with the original firmware |
| 18:15:26 | ep0ch | yeah that bug is slightly annoying |
| 18:15:29 | allix | i am deciding on which portable media player to buy |
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| 18:16:34 | allix | i think iaudio support linux out-the-box |
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| 18:18:24 | ep0ch | imho if i were to get a new player it would be the ipod over the iaudio as there will be more rockbox developers supporting it. |
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| 18:19:15 | ShyK | iriver > ipod |
| 18:19:15 | allix | its not a new one, its going to be my first one |
| 18:20:02 | allix | iaudio seems to support ogg and flac |
| 18:20:03 | ep0ch | iriver seems to not have a future |
| 18:20:15 | allix | ok |
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| 18:20:25 | allix | what about iaudio? |
| 18:21:10 | ep0ch | iaudio is the new iriver :) |
| 18:21:33 | allix | oh |
| 18:21:48 | allix | because they have two diffrent sites, so there submerging |
| 18:22:01 | ep0ch | :s |
| 18:22:08 | allix | ipod cannot play that many formats? |
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| 18:22:20 | fairway | with rockbox it plays everything |
| 18:22:25 | ep0ch | nope, unless you put rockbox on |
| 18:22:32 | ep0ch | anyway got to go, beers call |
| 18:22:34 | allix | flac,ogg, monkey? |
| 18:22:37 | fairway | yep |
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| 18:22:45 | allix | ok |
| 18:22:46 | linuxstb | Not monkey's - and it probably never will. |
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| 18:23:08 | fairway | yes monkey is to cpu comsuming |
| 18:23:11 | fairway | too |
| 18:23:23 | fairway | it's only a format for archival purposes |
| 18:23:28 | Bg3r | fairway only the best compression mode... |
| 18:23:30 | Bg3r | afaik |
| 18:23:47 | fairway | flac is decent |
| 18:23:58 | fairway | it's what most people use |
| 18:24:04 | fairway | if you want to play on portables |
| 18:24:06 | fairway | lossless audio |
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| 18:24:45 | preglow | it's not just that |
| 18:24:51 | fairway | are there any decent ipod colour skins yet? |
| 18:24:54 | preglow | we're pretty serious when it comes to licensing |
| 18:24:55 | fairway | ;-) |
| 18:25:13 | preglow | and the monkey's audio man persists in being quite the license enthusiast |
| 18:25:30 | fairway | .rockbox\themes\boxes-220x176c.cfg is not bad |
| 18:25:30 | ShyK | preglow: he won't permit you to use it? |
| 18:25:34 | ShyK | makes no sense |
| 18:25:36 | linuxstb | There is an LGPL'd java implementation I think though. Someone could port that to C.... |
| 18:25:39 | preglow | he permits us to use it |
| 18:25:45 | preglow | but his license isn't compatible with gpl |
| 18:26:14 | preglow | i don't care anyway, flac and wavpack covers the entire need for me |
| 18:26:44 | fairway | I am just happy with flac and mp3 or ogg |
| 18:26:49 | fairway | no other format format me |
| 18:26:51 | fairway | for |
| 18:27:27 | fairway | i was wondering actually if the flac decoder supports embedded cue sheets? |
| 18:27:36 | allix | i'll proberly get the ipod video, althogh watching something that small is stupid |
| 18:27:53 | fairway | there is no audio yet on the ipod video |
| 18:27:57 | fairway | if you want to run rockbox |
| 18:27:58 | linuxstb | fairway: That's not really a feature of the decoder. It's trivial to read the cuesheet, but Rockbox doesn't support them. |
| 18:28:31 | fairway | alright |
| 18:28:36 | linuxstb | But people are interested in cuesheets, we're just waiting for someone to implement it. |
| 18:28:56 | allix | ah, so i should avoid ipod video |
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| 18:29:28 | fairway | right |
| 18:29:35 | allix | hmm |
| 18:29:41 | fairway | although the screen is decent |
| 18:29:54 | fairway | one could display a lot of information |
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| 18:30:18 | allix | iaudio x5 , apparently supports flac and ogg and other video formats and is compaible with linux out-the-box |
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| 18:30:34 | allix | thats one of my reasons for looking at it |
| 18:31:29 | allix | http://eng.iaudio.com/product/product_X5_feature.php |
| 18:31:45 | allix | Use Mac or Linux? No problem!! iAUDIO X5 is available to be used on Mac or Linux OS. |
| 18:31:57 | allix | of course the firmware is closed source |
| 18:32:29 | allix | anyone on here used one of them? |
| 18:33:38 | nounours | I use M5 |
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| 18:34:20 | allix | with rockbox? |
| 18:34:23 | nounours | (black&white screen and no photo/video abilities) |
| 18:34:33 | nounours | no, original firmware |
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| 18:35:35 | allix | i think thats the same as x5 without video/photo |
| 18:35:53 | allix | does it all work ? |
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| 18:36:55 | nounours | it works fine ; but the firmware is closed source |
| 18:37:25 | nounours | i don't try flac, but ogg is ok |
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| 18:38:40 | fairway | rockbox really rocks |
| 18:38:51 | fairway | you shouldnt rely on closed source ;) |
| 18:39:12 | allix | its not idea, but it works, i use nvdia closed source modules, there not as perfect either, which is odd, connsidering there know the instuctions of there video card |
| 18:40:02 | allix | fairway: sometimes closed source modules, software is the only way to get something working |
| 18:40:21 | allix | and sometimes a bad job at it |
| 18:40:52 | fairway | excep I do not like the linux DE |
| 18:40:55 | fairway | except |
| 18:40:58 | fairway | so I use XP ;) |
| 18:41:22 | Paprica | linuxstb, i talking about this bug |
| 18:41:23 | Paprica | [19:11:30] <NicoFR> maybe Paprica is talking about the fact that the progressbar falls back to the original position for a split when you FF or RW |
| 18:41:34 | nounours | fairway: i read carefully on the wiki, and there is no runnable version of rockbox for iaudio |
| 18:42:05 | fairway | nounours: yes I don't have an iaudio |
| 18:42:15 | fairway | i think devs are working on iaudio support |
| 18:42:16 | linuxstb | Paprica: Ah, OK. That's been around a _long_ time. |
| 18:42:27 | Paprica | i know |
| 18:42:46 | Paprica | maybe someone can fix it? |
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| 18:43:00 | nounours | it's why i'm here, i try to see which work is done on iaudio port, and if i can help |
| 18:43:21 | fairway | Paprica: yes I noticed this too |
| 18:43:31 | fairway | Paprica: it doesn't affect playback though |
| 18:43:42 | fairway | Paprica: so it's not a high priority issue |
| 18:43:55 | allix | iaudio players can also be used for storing non-music stuff, can ipod do that |
| 18:44:04 | fairway | allix: yes |
| 18:44:18 | fairway | allix: with rockbox ipod behaves like a normal harddisk |
| 18:44:52 | allix | ok, can i view png files on it with rockbox? |
| 18:45:00 | fairway | yes |
| 18:45:08 | fairway | at least jpg I think |
| 18:45:20 | fairway | I did try with jpg yet |
| 18:45:25 | XavierGr | Make the clickwheel driver stop buffering events if Rockbox is too busy to handle them. <- This seems like a good idea for all targets. (If I know what I am talking about) |
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| 18:45:50 | linuxstb | allix: Rockbox doesn't support PNG. The JPEG support is only greyscale at the moment (even for colour LCDs). |
| 18:46:05 | linuxstb | But colour JPEG will come. |
| 18:46:12 | XavierGr | Sometimes on H300 when someone scrolls too much, even after he lets off the button it will continue to scroll a bit further. |
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| 18:46:28 | XavierGr | linuxstb does your fix do something like that to prevent it? |
| 18:46:41 | XavierGr | sorry I mean preglow |
| 18:47:12 | preglow | yes |
| 18:47:17 | preglow | it does just that, only for the clickwheel |
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| 18:47:44 | preglow | XavierGr: it MIGHT be a good idea for all targets, but you're going to see some heavy resistance on implementing it |
| 18:47:51 | preglow | but it's very important for the clickwheel |
| 18:48:04 | preglow | ok, grand, my mouse just died |
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| 18:48:49 | XavierGr | why see heavy resistance? You meant that some may not like it? |
| 18:50:01 | XavierGr | YAY! I just got a mail from iriver. They will send my unit back, I will probably have it back on monday-tuesday!! :D |
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| 18:50:32 | fairway | XavierGr: did it go corrupt? |
| 18:50:53 | linuxstb | XavierGr: One reason is blind users - you don't want key events to not always be registered. |
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| 18:52:29 | XavierGr | fairway: yes the USBOTG function was faulty right from the start |
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| 19:46:42 | tucoz | Henrico, what do you think of linuxstb idea. Where each platform is defined with two macros. I.e. \genericimg and \platform where genericimg is defined by the resolution-bitdepth (220x176x16) for instance.Platform is the same as before. |
| 19:47:34 | Henrico | I don't know much about platform differences, but I think it would make writing the manual more difficult. |
| 19:48:11 | Henrico | For each picture you must decide to use a generic or a specific picture. |
| 19:48:26 | tucoz | You are right about that. But, as he said, the ipodcolor and h300 have the same screenshots |
| 19:48:36 | Henrico | but if there is much overlap, then why not? |
| 19:49:23 | tucoz | Hmm, there will be lot's of directories under each chapter |
| 19:49:54 | tucoz | one dir for each resolution-bit-depth, and one dir for each target. I am not sure what is the best. |
| 19:49:54 | Henrico | yes, it is easier to just copy the h300 to the ipod |
| 19:50:53 | tucoz | It is definitley easier from the writing-point-of-view. |
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| 19:51:14 | Henrico | maybe also for making screenshots. |
| 19:51:25 | tucoz | as you would only have to care about anything but the platform |
| 19:51:44 | tucoz | *only care about the platform |
| 19:52:09 | Henrico | if the screenshots are the same, put each screenshot in 2 directories. |
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| 19:53:20 | tucoz | I think that approach is the easiest to work with, but the downside is the massive redundancy. |
| 19:54:08 | tucoz | One thing that is certain though, is that the folders need to be renamed. |
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| 19:54:28 | Henrico | then again, the screenshots i took were between 200 and 700 bytes |
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| 19:54:45 | Henrico | you mean the chapter folders? |
| 19:54:46 | NicoFR | i think i solved the FF/RW bug Paprica was speaking about |
| 19:54:50 | tucoz | Yes |
| 19:55:01 | Henrico | I added a comment to the wiki. |
| 19:55:22 | Henrico | your suggestion, with a fixed name for the main file. |
| 19:55:28 | tucoz | I read that. I think it looks good. |
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| 19:56:01 | tucoz | The coulor targets will have larger files for the screenshots though. |
| 19:56:08 | Paprica | NicoFR, how? |
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| 19:56:19 | Henrico | that's right, but still small compared to a flac. |
| 19:56:23 | linuxstb_ | Henrico: I disagree that one directory per target is more simple. I think it's more important for writers to be aware of what differences there are between the targets, so the text is appropriate. |
| 19:56:29 | NicoFR | i just added one line at what seems the right place |
| 19:56:32 | NicoFR | i'll make a patch |
| 19:57:33 | linuxstb_ | For example, if the .tex file refers to \generic\screenshot.png, then writers know that that screen is the same everywhere. But if the .tex refers to \platform\screenshot.png, then there are differences that may need to be taken care of in the text. |
| 19:57:41 | Henrico | linuxstb_: but instead of 8 image directories, you get 12+ |
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| 19:58:10 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but it will also be more logically organised - 12+ smaller directories instead of 8 larger directories. |
| 19:58:50 | Henrico | are the generic screenshots (filebrowser?) really the same across platforms? |
| 19:59:25 | linuxstb_ | Yes - if the LCD size is the same, I would guess that about 90% of the screenshots will be the same. |
| 19:59:51 | tucoz | One part of me wants a image directory for each chapter, but the other part says that it will be a lot of directories |
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| 20:00:06 | NicoFR | Paprica: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/ff-rw_bug.patch |
| 20:00:31 | NicoFR | it seems to work well but given the simplicity i'm not sure it's the right thing to do... |
| 20:00:41 | Paprica | balh but the stop play fixed too? |
| 20:00:47 | linuxstb_ | Also, Rockbox is supporting more and more targets, so the duplication will just get worse. |
| 20:01:14 | NicoFR | Paprica: didn't understand... |
| 20:01:20 | Paprica | haha |
| 20:01:25 | Paprica | try to ff |
| 20:01:32 | tucoz | we could start with having only generic dirs, and if needed add platform dirs |
| 20:01:36 | Paprica | when you stop the ff |
| 20:01:42 | tucoz | and see how it turns out |
| 20:01:47 | Paprica | you see a speedy pause play |
| 20:02:00 | NicoFR | ah yes |
| 20:02:08 | NicoFR | i was thinking of trying to fix that too |
| 20:02:18 | NicoFR | but it's probably a little more complicated ;) |
| 20:02:30 | Paprica | hehehe ;] |
| 20:02:33 | Paprica | try.. |
| 20:03:00 | Henrico | so we get at least three levels of pictures: generic, resolution specific and platform specific? |
| 20:03:27 | tucoz | no, only two. resolution-bitdepth and platform |
| 20:03:40 | linuxstb_ | No, I'm just suggesting two. \generic will map to a resolution-specific directory. |
| 20:04:16 | Henrico | OK, any suggestions for the names for these generic directories? |
| 20:04:50 | tucoz | linuxstb, what do you think of getting_started/main.tex as the structure for the directories? |
| 20:05:18 | linuxstb_ | Do you need subdirectories for each chapter? |
| 20:05:30 | tucoz | with images? |
| 20:05:36 | linuxstb_ | Why not just one .tex file for each chapter, and a shared image directory? |
| 20:05:55 | Henrico | for the plugins it would be nice to have all files in one subdirectory. |
| 20:06:16 | tucoz | yes, one tex file for each chapter and the chapter folder name as getting_started for instance |
| 20:06:34 | Henrico | also larger chunks of platform specific documentation should go in separate files |
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| 20:08:21 | tucoz | I am not sure, but if we need to add separate files for the different chapters then it's easier if they have their own subdirs |
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| 20:08:45 | linuxstb_ | In the rockbox source code, we try to avoid having code which is specific to platforms. We use macros such as #if HAVE_FM_TUNER or #if HAVE_RECORDING to distinguish between the capabilities of the hardware. Does the manual have a similar system? |
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| 20:10:12 | tucoz | I guess we could extend it to have something like that |
| 20:10:24 | Henrico | at the moment, we use the optional package. We distinguish between platforms. |
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| 20:13:27 | tucoz | But I am not sure that is really necessary. Like it says in the ManualHowto |
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| 20:14:09 | tucoz | We do not need to generate two docs for the ondio, as very little differ from those (recording afaik) |
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| 20:19:19 | NicoFR | Paprica: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429312&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 20:21:53 | Paprica | now fix the play pause bug |
| 20:21:55 | Paprica | =] |
| 20:21:57 | NicoFR | lol |
| 20:22:04 | NicoFR | have to go now... but maybe later |
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| 20:23:51 | Henrico | tucoz, how should we include the screenshots? as-is, or in a figure environment? |
| 20:24:05 | tucoz | Like floats? |
| 20:24:28 | Henrico | you can tell LaTeX your preferences for a figure, like [h] for here |
| 20:24:48 | Henrico | and you can use a nice caption |
| 20:25:13 | tucoz | Yes, but we are not certain that the screenshot end up exactly where we want it in that case |
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| 20:25:34 | josh_ | tucoz: [!h] means "put it right here, and I mean it". other values can be used to get floating figures. |
| 20:25:53 | josh_ | e.g. a [t] figure will float to the top of the next page with room |
| 20:25:56 | safetydan | XavierGr, fixed that remote drawing with background issue in the SDL sim |
| 20:26:54 | tucoz | josh_, yes, but that is not really true. The [!h] will only tell latex to try as hard as it can to place it there, but we are not guaranteed that it ends up there. |
| 20:27:13 | josh_ | tucoz: what are you expecting? |
| 20:27:19 | tucoz | That is my experience after all. |
| 20:27:26 | Henrico | and if a screenshot cannot be put here in a figure, chances are neither can LaTeX without a figure. |
| 20:27:27 | josh_ | if there's not enough room left on the page for a figure, there's no way to make it fit... |
| 20:27:36 | josh_ | Henrico: huh? |
| 20:28:04 | tucoz | I think we should go for a figure environment |
| 20:28:05 | Henrico | I mean, if you just use includegraphics, it gets inlined. |
| 20:28:28 | josh_ | Henrico: yes, but if there's not enough room on the current page it won't squeeze to fit or anything... |
| 20:28:45 | josh_ | I'm pretty sure [!h] tries "hard enough" for most purposes. |
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| 20:29:22 | Henrico | we could always use an optional pagebreak for a final version of the manual |
| 20:29:42 | Henrico | optional as in dependent on the target |
| 20:30:18 | tucoz | Wonder if we should have the screenshot's equally sized for all targets |
| 20:30:50 | tucoz | But, that is another issue. I think the most important issue right now is the directory structure and image folder arrangement |
| 20:31:23 | Henrico | If you want to test the other directory structure, see the patch. |
| 20:31:24 | tucoz | Things like that is only code, which could easily change later on. |
| 20:36:08 | tucoz | I think that structure is good. |
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| 20:38:27 | Shadowarrior13 | -_- |
| 20:38:54 | Shadowarrior13 | Midkay.....where's my compiled rockbox :P |
| 20:40:12 | tucoz | Henrico, I got to go. I think that your dir-structure looks good, but I want some feedback from the old-boys before we change anything. |
| 20:40:28 | Henrico | agreed |
| 20:41:26 | tucoz | although it sounds like a good idea to be able to have the possibility to only include the recording section for recording targets, I am not sure we need to be that specific in a manual. |
| 20:42:08 | Henrico | if we want that, then we need a platform for every build target |
| 20:43:09 | tucoz | but we could define a macro like haverecording and make that map to the targets that have recording |
| 20:43:50 | Henrico | yes, but the recorderv2 and recorderfm are now one platform |
| 20:44:01 | linuxstb | IMO, there should be manual for each build target - it just seems simpler. |
| 20:44:31 | Henrico | yes, then we can define macros for all relevant properties. |
| 20:44:57 | linuxstb | Exactly. And when a new target comes along, you can just define a "config file" containing the properties of that target. |
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| 20:46:15 | tucoz | so, before anything else. 1) fix dir-structure 2) agree on the image-issue |
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| 20:47:34 | Mikachu | is there a color jpeg viewer (using ipod nano)? i just installed rockbox today so i probably haven't discovered all parts of the wiki yet but i haven't seen anything so far |
| 20:48:02 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No. |
| 20:48:07 | Mikachu | okay |
| 20:48:07 | Shadowarrior13 | Just be happy it friggin works on yours -_- |
| 20:48:11 | Mikachu | heh |
| 20:48:22 | Shadowarrior13 | God damn 5G. |
| 20:48:32 | Shadowarrior13 | Not a single alternate OS working. |
| 20:48:36 | linuxstb | Shadowarrior13: It's your own fault for buying one :) |
| 20:48:40 | Shadowarrior13 | XD |
| 20:49:32 | Shadowarrior13 | Seriously, if something other than Rockbox or ipl is working, let me know. |
| 20:50:42 | linuxstb | I believe Apple have a firmware running on it. |
| 20:50:53 | Shadowarrior13 | ......bite me :P |
| 20:51:08 | Mikachu | which is the 5g? |
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| 20:51:13 | Shadowarrior13 | The video. |
| 20:51:15 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:53:56 | Mikachu | is there a font with japanese characters that has smaller chars than the unifont included in the dist? |
| 20:54:50 | Mikachu | maybe i should search a bit first |
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| 20:57:56 | Mikachu | should it be possible to use the bdf files from xorg? |
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| 20:58:11 | Mikachu | it has kana in a separate file due to the doublewidth though |
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| 21:21:48 | kkurbjun | XavierGr: have you gotten a chance to try out the midi plugin? |
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| 21:35:36 | preglow | hrm |
| 21:35:42 | preglow | suddenly a lot of my ogg files clip like mad |
| 21:37:08 | lostlogic | on ipod or hxx0 or both? |
| 21:38:49 | allix | i noticed , amaroK plays ipod |
| 21:39:24 | preglow | h1x0 |
| 21:39:50 | preglow | but i can't remember anything codec wise being changed lately |
| 21:39:56 | preglow | apart from pcmbuf, but that can't do this |
| 21:40:11 | lostlogic | yeah, if it was _skipping_ then the pcmbuf could be the cause |
| 21:40:14 | lostlogic | but not clipping |
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| 21:42:53 | preglow | perhaps i just haven't noticed before |
| 21:43:01 | preglow | this album really, really needs replaygaining if that's the case |
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| 21:49:37 | preglow | my, oh my, how i hate reading the tremor source code |
| 21:49:47 | preglow | monty seems to hate whitespace and intenting with a passion |
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| 21:53:24 | lostlogic | haha, it is difficult reading. |
| 21:54:13 | preglow | one-space indenting is just not funny |
| 21:55:20 | lostlogic | could run it through astyle for reading... |
| 21:56:45 | preglow | nice point |
| 21:56:48 | preglow | nice point indeed |
| 21:57:31 | preglow | astyle better than indent? |
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| 21:59:04 | lostlogic | astyle has K&R and other common C stylings builtin... |
| 21:59:08 | lostlogic | never used indent |
| 21:59:27 | preglow | good |
| 21:59:31 | preglow | k&r is pretty close to what i like |
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| 22:02:01 | preglow | know if it's possible to use tremor in non-callback mode? |
| 22:02:13 | preglow | i'd like it if we could minimise the buffer copying |
| 22:02:45 | lostlogic | I don't know, linuxstb was talking about wanting to user all codecs that way, but I never investigated |
| 22:03:14 | lostlogic | but yes, it would be nice if we could ask the pcmbuf for a buffer, and have the codec write directly to that buffer |
| 22:03:27 | preglow | yeah, i'd like it too |
| 22:03:30 | preglow | but it might require some rewriting |
| 22:03:32 | preglow | at least for musepack |
| 22:03:45 | lostlogic | nod |
| 22:05:36 | linuxstb | That's still a long-term plan of mine. But yes, some codec libraries are going to need kicking into shape to work that way. |
| 22:06:21 | preglow | musepack is one |
| 22:06:25 | preglow | but sooner or later i'm going to do it |
| 22:06:54 | preglow | i'm just looking into tremor to see where to best do some additional shifting now |
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| 22:19:21 | lostlogic | preglow: you think it's clipping in the decode?? |
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| 22:21:57 | preglow | lostlogic: no, that's pretty much impossible |
| 22:22:14 | preglow | lostlogic: i want all the codecs to use 29 bits output precision, i'm just working a bit on that |
| 22:23:09 | preglow | i've got most of the codecs figured out, but tremor i have no idea about |
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| 22:25:32 | lostlogic | preglow: ahh, nice... does that make them slower, or ... i don't understand audio. |
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| 22:25:35 | lostlogic | /win8 |
| 22:25:36 | lostlogic | wtf. |
| 22:26:13 | preglow | lostlogic: slower, no, on the contrary, the rest of the dsp path now don't need to wonder what the precision is |
| 22:26:22 | preglow | lostlogic: wors case, in the codecs themselves, it just means an extra shift |
| 22:26:28 | preglow | lostlogic: but i'm looking to eliminate that |
| 22:26:39 | preglow | by encorporating the shift into the algorithms themselves |
| 22:27:42 | lostlogic | ahh, gotcha |
| 22:28:05 | lostlogic | what does tremor currently use? |
| 22:28:22 | preglow | 24 bits + sign |
| 22:28:28 | preglow | and what i want to use is 28 bits + sign |
| 22:28:34 | preglow | which leaves three bits of headroom |
| 22:28:39 | preglow | which should be enough |
| 22:31:03 | lostlogic | so then the DSP knows that all samples incoming are 29bit signed and it's job has less branching and whatnot? |
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| 22:31:35 | preglow | well, yeah, shifts can be hardcoded, etc |
| 22:31:41 | preglow | and we can maximise precision in all dsp algos |
| 22:31:50 | preglow | since they know what format data they deal with |
| 22:32:00 | preglow | the eq, for example, is wildly inaccurate if you feed it sixteen bit data |
| 22:32:26 | preglow | you'll end up with eight bit effective data |
| 22:32:34 | lostlogic | I really wish I had some understanding of how 16 bit or 24bit 'data' becomes music. some day... some day I will learn. |
| 22:32:46 | preglow | haha |
| 22:33:02 | preglow | well, it's bascially just discretisied sound wave |
| 22:33:03 | Mikachu | heh, it's really simple, each sample represents a position of the speaker membrane at a given time |
| 22:33:13 | preglow | where the values describe the amplitude of the wave at that point |
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| 22:33:33 | ShyK | preglow: hmm, 29bit internal precision becomes what when processed by eq etc? |
| 22:34:00 | lostlogic | so seriously, the approximate amplitude of a wave at each of 44100 points per second is enough information to reconstruct music... |
| 22:34:05 | Mikachu | i have a stupid question, when i build from cvs, how do i know which .rocks go in what dir on the music player? some should be in plugins and some are in rocks/ and so on |
| 22:34:06 | lostlogic | craziness |
| 22:34:12 | preglow | ShyK: assuming all 29 bits are valid data, you loose 7 bits, so you end up with 22 bits |
| 22:34:28 | ShyK | aha |
| 22:34:31 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i think phones use about 8000 or so |
| 22:34:38 | preglow | ShyK: more gain you need, more precision you'll loose |
| 22:34:47 | lostlogic | Mikachu: oh yes, I know voice sources use much lower sample rates |
| 22:34:53 | preglow | and with fixed point you have to assume you're at max gain all the time |
| 22:35:34 | preglow | lostlogic: yes, that's enough |
| 22:35:48 | preglow | lostlogic: basically, the sample rate just decides the highest frequency you want to reproduce |
| 22:35:59 | lostlogic | hmm, so with a sample rate that is roughly double the highest frequency of sound that a human can perceive, transients within those frequencies are stil lrelatively reproduceable? |
| 22:36:02 | preglow | lostlogic: and ~20khz is enough for human hearing, so they just selected something a bit above that |
| 22:36:11 | Mikachu | you can only reproduce half the sample rate |
| 22:36:16 | Mikachu | according to the nyquist theorem at least |
| 22:36:28 | Mikachu | oops |
| 22:36:28 | lostlogic | whee, learning! |
| 22:36:58 | preglow | nyquist theorem assumes perfect reconstruction filters, which you never have, so you've got to go a bit higher |
| 22:37:03 | preglow | 44.1khz is just barely enough |
| 22:37:12 | preglow | but doesn't matter too much, since our hearing is really dodgy that high freq |
| 22:37:19 | preglow | i can't bloody hear higher than 16khz anyway |
| 22:37:28 | Mikachu | yeah, theoretically |
| 22:37:32 | lostlogic | why do professional studios use 96khz then? |
| 22:37:38 | preglow | just to be sure, basically |
| 22:37:49 | lostlogic | haha ok |
| 22:37:50 | preglow | and because higher sampling rates are good when you do digital processing |
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| 22:37:55 | lostlogic | hmm, indeed |
| 22:38:01 | ShyK | many use much higher rates as well |
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| 22:38:08 | Mikachu | you can playback the sound at half the speed and keep 44khz quality |
| 22:38:18 | Mikachu | maybe not the main reason :) |
| 22:38:28 | ShyK | a main reason |
| 22:38:33 | preglow | digital processing will, unless you're using really basic stuff, introduce frequencies that are higher than the nyquist frequency, and since those can't exist in a sampled signal, they're aliased down on other frequencies |
| 22:38:44 | preglow | if you use a higher sample rate in the first place, there's less chance of aliasing |
| 22:38:50 | ShyK | i can't think of any sane reason to use high precision than to downsample |
| 22:39:21 | preglow | you really get to learn this when you do sound synthesis, heh |
| 22:39:59 | Mikachu | does the id3 reader expect 'proper' unicode tags? all my mp3s are v2.3 with utf-8 which is technically wrong but everything on linux seems to expect it... i tried them a bit and all multibyte data is displayed wrong |
| 22:40:00 | lostlogic | yeah, I haven't really done any wave studies outside of transmission lines (power distribution) |
| 22:40:08 | Mikachu | so that's just a yes/no question :) |
| 22:41:13 | preglow | Mikachu: no idea, i don't think id3 specifiec character set |
| 22:41:19 | Mikachu | it does, i checked it a while ago |
| 22:41:23 | preglow | oh |
| 22:41:36 | preglow | and it assumes what? |
| 22:41:40 | preglow | iso8859? |
| 22:41:51 | Mikachu | basically, id3v2.3 tags are allowed to be either latin1 (iso8859-1) or unicode (UTF16) |
| 22:42:02 | Mikachu | but everything on linux (almost) uses utf8 anyway |
| 22:42:03 | preglow | beh |
| 22:42:14 | Mikachu | id3v2.4 allows utf-8 but nothing supports 2.4 |
| 22:42:14 | preglow | well, rockbox is trying to follow standards properly |
| 22:42:17 | preglow | but i don't know what it does |
| 22:42:19 | preglow | you tried it? |
| 22:42:28 | Mikachu | and all my mp3s are 'wrong' |
| 22:42:52 | preglow | they display wrong in rockbox? |
| 22:42:57 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 22:43:00 | preglow | well |
| 22:43:11 | Mikachu | i guess i could try a correct one too |
| 22:43:15 | preglow | unless using utf8 is a widespread windows practice as well, i think we'll stick with the spec |
| 22:43:50 | Mikachu | i think it's only linux |
| 22:44:10 | Mikachu | so no luck for me |
| 22:44:36 | Mikachu | hm, i've set UTF-8 as my 'default codepage' i think |
| 22:44:46 | preglow | i'm not too sure about how unicode works in rockbox yet |
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| 22:46:23 | ShyK | you'll run into people with files that have id3v2 tags with iso8859 that will expect your application to display the russian in it properly |
| 22:46:37 | Mikachu | yeah but crap on them :) |
| 22:47:04 | Mikachu | i'll see what happens if i force unicode_munge to treat everything as utf-8 |
| 22:48:16 | preglow | i hate id3 |
| 22:48:23 | preglow | people should use apev2, then commence shutting up |
| 22:48:31 | Mikachu | can you put apev2 in mp3? |
| 22:48:33 | preglow | but i realise it's not going to happen, heh |
| 22:48:40 | ShyK | Mikachu: sure |
| 22:48:41 | preglow | Mikachu: sure, just don't expect wide support |
| 22:48:49 | ShyK | id3v2 is satan |
| 22:48:50 | preglow | you're pretty much limited to using foobar |
| 22:48:52 | markun | preglow: I thought you were against apev2 for mp3 in rockbox.. |
| 22:48:52 | preglow | and you're on linux |
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| 22:49:25 | Mikachu | is the id3 decoder separate from the mp3 codec file? |
| 22:49:27 | preglow | markun: well, in combination with id3, i'm just not certain how to handle it |
| 22:49:31 | preglow | markun: i'm not against how to handle it |
| 22:49:37 | preglow | ehh |
| 22:49:41 | preglow | markun: i'm not against having it in rockbox |
| 22:49:47 | Mikachu | slightly confusing.. |
| 22:49:51 | markun | I think check for apev2 first, then id3 |
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| 22:49:55 | * | preglow notes "never write while thinking" |
| 22:50:00 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 22:51:03 | preglow | markun: my position is basically, if you find apev2, use that |
| 22:51:13 | preglow | markun: it's probably there because you put it there, and it's probably the better tag anyway |
| 22:51:28 | LinusN | problem is that it takes quite some seeking to find the apev2 tag |
| 22:51:44 | LinusN | using more battery |
| 22:51:57 | preglow | LinusN: perhaps we should combine ape with id3v1 in settings |
| 22:52:10 | LinusN | perhaps |
| 22:52:15 | preglow | most people will never touch that setting anyway |
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| 22:52:45 | Mikachu | okay, oggs work fine with utf8 tags |
| 22:52:55 | preglow | Mikachu: sure, ogg uses utf8, always |
| 22:53:00 | preglow | which made things simple for us |
| 22:53:03 | preglow | id3 people aren't that clever |
| 22:53:40 | Mikachu | is playback supposed to stop when you change theme? |
| 22:53:44 | Mikachu | (the one i used didn't like unifont) |
| 22:54:15 | Mikachu | i'm stupid |
| 22:54:24 | Mikachu | first i hack the code to always use utf8, then i try a utf16 file |
| 22:54:30 | | Quit mozetti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:54:53 | preglow | i don't like unifont myself |
| 22:55:04 | preglow | too big and ugly |
| 22:55:05 | Mikachu | well, i need to use it now when i check |
| 22:55:56 | preglow | lostlogic: hah, my 29 bit output data fix even shaves an instruction off in musepack :-) |
| 22:55:56 | Mikachu | hooray, it works with my 'broken' files now :) |
| 22:56:04 | Mikachu | my first local change |
| 22:56:26 | Mikachu | is there another font with japanese chars? |
| 22:56:31 | preglow | not that i know of :/ |
| 22:56:40 | BHSPitMonkey | you could make some |
| 22:56:45 | lostlogic | preglow: coolness! |
| 22:56:49 | Mikachu | there are some fonts in xorg, but they _only_ have japanese chars |
| 22:56:53 | lostlogic | preglow: figure termor out yet? |
| 22:56:56 | Mikachu | or only doublewidth at any rate |
| 22:56:56 | lostlogic | tremor |
| 22:57:17 | Mikachu | is it possible to combine the 6x13 font with the 12x13 doublewidth font into a single rockbox font? |
| 22:57:18 | preglow | lostlogic: no... it's a mess |
| 22:57:24 | Mikachu | even in theory |
| 22:57:28 | markun | Mikachu: we already have that.. |
| 22:57:45 | lostlogic | preglow: :( |
| 22:57:48 | markun | Or not? |
| 22:57:50 | Mikachu | markun: a combined 6x13 and 12x13 font with japanese? |
| 22:57:56 | markun | Hm, maybe I didn't commit it |
| 22:58:06 | Mikachu | maybe you didn't |
| 22:58:20 | Mikachu | what would it be called if you did? |
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| 22:58:42 | markun | Mikachu: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/6+12x13.bdf |
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| 22:58:44 | lostlogic | preglow: hmm, going to 29bit would lead to more bits of actual data in the output, with the lowest 4 that you add being most likely invalid / irrelevent information, right? |
| 22:58:49 | Mikachu | markun: you're my hero |
| 22:58:56 | preglow | lostlogic: yea |
| 22:59:13 | preglow | lostlogic: but not in all codecs, both libmad and libmusepack will have all 28 bits relevant |
| 22:59:18 | markun | Mikachu: should work, but tell me if there are any problems |
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| 22:59:45 | lostlogic | *nod* is it a property of vorbis that no more than 24 bits ar erelevent or a property of Tremor? |
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| 23:00:22 | Mikachu | markun: convbdf -f -o 6+12x13.fnt 6+12x13.bdf is the correct command? |
| 23:00:33 | preglow | lostlogic: tremor, i guess |
| 23:00:47 | preglow | lostlogic: you can pretty much have as much precision as you want in codecs like that |
| 23:00:55 | preglow | since the audio is resynthesized |
| 23:00:57 | markun | Mikachu: you don't even need the -o 6+12x13.fnt |
| 23:00:59 | lostlogic | ahhh |
| 23:01:08 | preglow | lostlogic: won't help you, though, since that's not where the quality loss is |
| 23:01:27 | lostlogic | where is it? in the encoding process? |
| 23:01:30 | preglow | yes |
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| 23:01:50 | Mikachu | markun: okay, seems to work fine (only tried one file so far) |
| 23:01:52 | preglow | you can resynthesize the waveform to be as high-res as you want, it won't matter since the waveform isn't the exact audio |
| 23:02:09 | preglow | it's just an approximation with flaws you'll hear |
| 23:02:44 | Mikachu | markun: thanks again :) |
| 23:03:00 | lostlogic | right −− so vorbis (most codecs?) use smoothing algorithms as they resynthesize it any way? |
| 23:03:11 | markun | Mikachu: I can commit it later |
| 23:03:15 | Mikachu | great |
| 23:03:26 | Mikachu | this is working a lot better than ipl :) |
| 23:03:35 | Mikachu | i haven't got doom to work in rockbox yet though ;) |
| 23:04:38 | mozetti_ | me neither |
| 23:04:42 | preglow | lostlogic: any "smoothing" is intrinsic to whatever resynthesizing method is used |
| 23:04:45 | mozetti_ | i can't get past the loading screen |
| 23:04:50 | preglow | there is no smoothing as a separate post process |
| 23:04:59 | lostlogic | ok |
| 23:05:30 | preglow | the resynthesizing works by reconstructing the original wave from mathematical functions (sines), which you can syntesize with as good a precision as you want |
| 23:05:44 | preglow | that's where the "infinite" precision comes from |
| 23:06:27 | lostlogic | ahhh, this is beginning to make more sense to me... |
| 23:06:44 | lostlogic | as to why we spend so much IRAM storing SINCOS lookup tables |
| 23:06:48 | preglow | aye |
| 23:07:07 | Mikachu | does the anti-skip buffer do anything on the nano? |
| 23:07:14 | preglow | the mdct is what does the resynthesizing |
| 23:07:30 | preglow | the other major part of tremor is the spectrum reconstruction |
| 23:07:50 | preglow | Mikachu: myeah, it shouldn't matter since the nano has no disk-spinup time |
| 23:07:55 | preglow | Mikachu: we'll remove options like that as we go |
| 23:07:57 | lostlogic | so it's kinda like regenerating the varios parts of many differnet sine waves to biuld the wave form, and then giving them loudness with the floor and residue parts or some such? |
| 23:08:10 | Mikachu | i just thought it would be a tiny bit faster to not move the data twice |
| 23:08:30 | preglow | lostlogic: the floor and residue is combined to generate the loudness function, yes |
| 23:08:36 | Mikachu | are many of the devs swedish? |
| 23:08:51 | Bagder | Mikachu: a few of us are at least |
| 23:08:53 | preglow | Mikachu: around five-six, i think |
| 23:09:04 | Mikachu | okay (me too) |
| 23:09:10 | lostlogic | preglow: thanks so much, all that audio decoding stuff that was gibberish 30m ago at least makes some sense now :):) |
| 23:09:14 | Mikachu | just noticed the devcon is in sweden |
| 23:09:16 | preglow | hehe, np |
| 23:09:20 | Bagder | Mikachu: http://daniel.haxx.se/m3.html |
| 23:09:38 | Mikachu | ah |
| 23:09:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:10:30 | preglow | scanned by god, uploaded by jesus |
| 23:10:45 | preglow | i assume that image looks better in print :) |
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| 23:11:14 | Bagder | it does |
| 23:11:25 | Bagder | but not a lot |
| 23:11:38 | lostlogic | lil' help for the non-swedes? |
| 23:11:43 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 23:11:49 | t0mas | Bagder! |
| 23:12:05 | t0mas | 548 seconds for 28 targets |
| 23:12:21 | t0mas | against 1153 seconds for 31 targets on the main server |
| 23:12:32 | lostlogic | haha, using 3 machines :-P |
| 23:12:44 | t0mas | but 1 on 512 kbit/s upload |
| 23:12:45 | Bagder | and we should be able to cut that even more |
| 23:12:49 | t0mas | so that slowed us down a lot |
| 23:12:57 | t0mas | oh and not using -J |
| 23:13:03 | t0mas | so we can go a lot faster I assume |
| 23:13:12 | t0mas | as we have 2 SMP machines in the 3 we have now |
| 23:13:25 | Bagder | I want it done in 2-3 minutes |
| 23:13:29 | Bagder | it would rock |
| 23:13:31 | lostlogic | t0mas: 3 = rockbox.org, linuxstb and lostlogicx.com? |
| 23:13:32 | preglow | yes, that'd be the nicest |
| 23:13:50 | t0mas | lostlogic: 3= linuxstb, lostlogic and me |
| 23:13:50 | lostlogic | Bagder: the limiting factor on that will be transfer times |
| 23:13:55 | t0mas | and me = P3 1ghz |
| 23:13:57 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:13:59 | t0mas | test machine |
| 23:14:05 | lostlogic | t0mas: I'm not SMP, just hyperthreading... |
| 23:14:09 | t0mas | oh ok |
| 23:14:13 | t0mas | read that as SMP :) |
| 23:14:16 | t0mas | my mistake |
| 23:14:17 | preglow | ht doesn't help shit for make |
| 23:14:17 | Bagder | but a single build should be ~60 seconds max, so I give another 100 for the transfers ;-) |
| 23:14:23 | preglow | i tried, got exactly the same build time |
| 23:14:32 | lostlogic | Bagder: so we need one build machine per target? :-P |
| 23:14:36 | Bagder | yes! |
| 23:14:38 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:14:39 | t0mas | preglow: on my old workstation it was slower with HT on... |
| 23:14:42 | lostlogic | hehe |
| 23:14:45 | Bagder | or very fast servers |
| 23:14:50 | t0mas | Bagder: get us some fast servers :P |
| 23:14:57 | lostlogic | I'll setup lost.lostlogicx.com to help too :-P |
| 23:15:09 | preglow | Bagder: so, how's the system work now? easy to extend for more build boxes? |
| 23:15:11 | Bagder | well, we have another SMP box here I can use |
| 23:15:18 | lostlogic | t0mas: do you think you could make your script deal with a non-standard SSH port? lost.lostlogicx.com is behind a firewall with SSH on port 23 |
| 23:15:24 | t0mas | jup, we can |
| 23:15:31 | Bagder | preglow: t0mas is working on the new system |
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| 23:15:37 | preglow | excellent |
| 23:15:46 | t0mas | preglow: we can add as much servers as there are targets |
| 23:15:48 | preglow | even a new cutting edge leet-ass server wouldn't be able to reach the times we can now |
| 23:15:53 | t0mas | if one server fails it just takes the next one |
| 23:16:07 | t0mas | so we can even add servers that aren't always on... |
| 23:16:16 | preglow | t0mas: oooh, great |
| 23:16:24 | t0mas | but it's dangerous... because if they shut down during a build... we lose 1 target |
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| 23:16:39 | t0mas | Bagder: seen my pm about the new scheduling idea? |
| 23:16:44 | Mikachu | i haven't managed to delete a file from inside rockbox, it says PLAY to confirm, but pressing play just exits the thing and goes back to browsing files |
| 23:16:47 | preglow | t0mas: why? can't you just cycle to another server? |
| 23:16:48 | Mikachu | am i stupid? |
| 23:16:54 | preglow | Mikachu: press select |
| 23:17:05 | preglow | Mikachu: message is wrong for ipod/h1x0 |
| 23:17:05 | Bagder | t0mas: no... |
| 23:17:07 | preglow | and h3x0 |
| 23:17:08 | Mikachu | ah |
| 23:17:18 | preglow | we're in need of a new i18n system |
| 23:17:18 | LinusN | or "navi" as the iriver people call it |
| 23:17:24 | preglow | LinusN: they're insane |
| 23:17:28 | t0mas | preglow: should add that... if a build fails we now just indicate it as failed... not checking if it might have been a server shutdown |
| 23:17:30 | preglow | hence can't be taken seriously |
| 23:17:42 | ShyK | lostlogic: just to add some interestingness :) http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/timeres.html |
| 23:17:43 | preglow | t0mas: that might be a problem, yes |
| 23:17:45 | Mikachu | that didn't seem to work either though, if select is the center white button |
| 23:17:56 | preglow | Mikachu: yeah, it is |
| 23:18:04 | t0mas | preglow: but if a server is just done once in a few days... who cares... |
| 23:18:17 | t0mas | as long as it doesn't shut down exactly during a build... |
| 23:18:29 | preglow | t0mas: what's what i'm talking about |
| 23:18:48 | Mikachu | preglow: NEXT worked |
| 23:19:18 | preglow | did it now |
| 23:19:20 | preglow | how consistent |
| 23:19:30 | preglow | but yeah, point is, it's PLAY on archoses |
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| 23:19:36 | preglow | and the string is the same for all targets... |
| 23:20:07 | | Part mozetti_ |
| 23:20:16 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:20:55 | ShyK | lostlogic: also interesting www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/dither.html |
| 23:21:31 | kkurbjun | does anyone know what the effects of (void) variable; are other then shutting up compiler warnings? specifically on pointers passed as arguements |
| 23:21:59 | preglow | it's supposed to do nothing |
| 23:22:10 | Mikachu | all i can think of is it could affect pointer arithmetic |
| 23:22:59 | kkurbjun | ok, good so it's an acceptable way to tell the compiler that I know it's unused? is there a more acceptable way? |
| 23:23:16 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: ah, you're the doom guy |
| 23:24:12 | safetydan | hrm, SDL sim sound is broken badly |
| 23:24:14 | LinusN | kkurbjun: that's the way |
| 23:24:21 | kkurbjun | : ), yeah, I'm trying to clean up the compile with the default rockbox flags (-Wall) |
| 23:24:26 | LinusN | safetydan: works for me in linux |
| 23:24:28 | kkurbjun | great, thanks alot |
| 23:24:43 | safetydan | LinusN, pops and skips a lot under Linux for me |
| 23:24:56 | safetydan | seeking backwards crashes it too |
| 23:26:07 | safetydan | ah well, I'll look at it tomorrow when I'm not so bleary eyed |
| 23:26:10 | Mikachu | preglow: what would ON+Play be for deleting a bookmark? |
| 23:26:19 | preglow | Mikachu: no idea, never touched a bookmark |
| 23:26:20 | lostlogic | ShyK: thanks |
| 23:26:22 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:26:29 | preglow | ShyK: the time smearing plots are interesting |
| 23:26:34 | Mikachu | i'll let you know then |
| 23:26:56 | preglow | i wonder how he derived that filter |
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| 23:32:59 | Mikachu | any chance of adding an Off button somewhere in the menus? feels a bit silly to always leave it on for ten minutes |
| 23:33:24 | preglow | keep on pressed |
| 23:33:32 | preglow | ON, tha tis |
| 23:33:49 | Mikachu | what is ON on an ipod? |
| 23:34:14 | ShyK | preglow: note Klemm's quote on the timeres page :) "high quality MPEG-4 AAC Encoder is much much more difficult to program and to tune than a MPEGplus encoder " |
| 23:34:17 | ShyK | lol |
| 23:34:24 | Shadowarrior13 | Mimkachu, any button is on. |
| 23:34:27 | Shadowarrior13 | Mikachu* |
| 23:34:32 | preglow | Mikachu: ehh, play |
| 23:34:35 | preglow | Mikachu: i meant play, i suck |
| 23:34:37 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:34:39 | ShyK | if Klemm says it's "much much harder" i wonder if a human can achieve that |
| 23:34:39 | Mikachu | thanks :) |
| 23:34:40 | preglow | ShyK: no shit |
| 23:35:12 | Mikachu | preglow: oh i'm stupid, it's the same in apple :) |
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| 23:35:18 | preglow | Mikachu: 'tis |
| 23:35:29 | ShyK | note that by now, with 1.15 versions, encoding of tonal content is dramatically improved. |
| 23:36:16 | ShyK | Klemm has eliminated "theories" that subband coding can't be good for low bitrate |
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| 23:37:04 | preglow | ShyK: i haven't heard of any such theories |
| 23:37:15 | preglow | ShyK: don't put too much weight into what you read at ha :) |
| 23:37:27 | ShyK | haha no shit |
| 23:37:33 | preglow | subband coding is still used |
| 23:37:50 | preglow | i've even seen recent suggestions for image coders using subband coding |
| 23:37:56 | preglow | granted it's a bit different... |
| 23:38:16 | ShyK | musepack is the first and only codec that has proven the vast superiority of subband coding |
| 23:38:42 | preglow | i wouldn't say superiority, more like competability :P |
| 23:38:50 | preglow | whether it's superior is a pretty subjective thing |
| 23:39:02 | ShyK | yes. it's much better to work with |
| 23:39:07 | preglow | but yeah |
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| 23:39:14 | preglow | being a subband codec, it's very light, at least |
| 23:39:26 | preglow | and it does very well for a subband codec |
| 23:39:33 | preglow | the only other ones i'm aware of are way heavier |
| 23:39:49 | preglow | mpeg2 is probably the most efficient one apart from musepack |
| 23:39:56 | Mikachu | preglow: hrm, it seems to be some weird combo like MENU+NEXT or so |
| 23:39:57 | preglow | and musepack beats that pretty much into the ground |
| 23:40:45 | preglow | too bad about that bitstream :PP |
| 23:40:54 | Shadowarrior13 | Button combo for iPod? |
| 23:41:03 | Mikachu | Shadowarrior13: for removing a bookmark |
| 23:41:08 | Mikachu | the screen says ON+Play |
| 23:41:12 | Shadowarrior13 | Hmmm |
| 23:41:28 | Shadowarrior13 | Well, on would probably be action. |
| 23:41:33 | Mikachu | i'm not sure which combo did it since there's a slight delay and i pressed everything :) |
| 23:41:40 | Mikachu | it's not in that screen, it is in some others |
| 23:41:47 | Shadowarrior13 | Heh |
| 23:41:48 | Mikachu | iirc |
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| 23:42:15 | Mikachu | got stuck for a few seconds in the file browser with lots of queued events |
| 23:43:16 | preglow | oh? |
| 23:43:19 | preglow | what kind of events? |
| 23:43:30 | Mikachu | keypresses i think |
| 23:43:37 | Mikachu | it would open my root.m3u and say it couldn't open a few times |
| 23:43:39 | preglow | right, never managed that with presses |
| 23:43:44 | preglow | only with wheel |
| 23:43:44 | ShyK | preglow: yep, once we have that solved, we'll be content :) |
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| 23:44:07 | preglow | ShyK: yeah, it is the last remaining piece, which makes it all the much sadder that i can't see it happening in a long time |
| 23:44:58 | preglow | ShyK: has any source code on the seeking hack been published? |
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| 23:47:18 | ShyK | preglow: i think it's just included in the full source but not enabled of course |
| 23:48:47 | preglow | in the libmpcdec source? |
| 23:48:50 | preglow | i can't see it there |
| 23:49:25 | ShyK | no, mppdec in the full source |
| 23:49:42 | preglow | right |
| 23:49:57 | preglow | if i can find a way to detect the noise bursts, i might enable it |
| 23:50:11 | preglow | it'll still be lousy, though, musepack has no seek table |
| 23:50:49 | ShyK | don't enable it, seriously. i've tested it extensively and bursts occur every once in a while, it's not even rare |
| 23:51:20 | ShyK | no way to avoid it too unfortunately |
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| 23:51:44 | preglow | nah, figured |
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| 23:53:34 | ShyK | regarding the bitstream, i hope that since the codec's popularity constantly rises, some people who are able to help with that will show up. people who actually have time and/or aren't restricted from working on it :) |
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| 23:54:51 | preglow | restricted? |
| 23:55:11 | preglow | you should consider putting some info up on your site, though |
| 23:55:20 | preglow | it isn't readily apparent that a new bitstream format is needed |
| 23:55:30 | preglow | a simple page detaling what needs to be done, and what has already been done, etc |
| 23:55:30 | ShyK | yes. you'd be surprised how much it is common practice in multimedia related companies to restrict their workers from working on other projects |
| 23:55:51 | preglow | i hate people |
| 23:55:53 | preglow | they suck |
| 23:56:06 | t0mas | well... 52% of the people are ok if they suck... |
| 23:56:19 | t0mas | </bad remark> |
| 23:56:35 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:56:38 | Shadowarrior13 | And 80% of all statistics are made up >.> |
| 23:56:51 | t0mas | Shadowarrior13: and 48% of the people are male |
| 23:57:55 | Shadowarrior13 | >.> |
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| 23:58:38 | * | preglow wonders what output format ac3 uses |
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