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| 00:02:53 | Mikachu | where in the code is the color scheme defined? approximately |
| 00:03:53 | linuxstb_ | firmware/export/lcd.h |
| 00:04:17 | preglow | linuxstb_: you don't know anything about the liba52 precision? |
| 00:04:27 | Mikachu | thanks |
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| 00:05:44 | linuxstb_ | preglow: No, sorry. |
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| 00:36:32 | jaebird | why is the 4g gray bleeding edge link this: http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-ipod5gray/rockbox.zip |
| 00:38:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably a typo |
| 00:38:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you replace the 5 with a 4, it works. |
| 00:38:39 | jaebird | I figured as much, just letting people know :) |
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| 00:47:09 | Bagder | I fixed, thanks |
| 00:48:11 | jaebird | I'm glad you changed your name...searching for 4g was hard :) |
| 00:48:23 | jaebird | −−>B4gder |
| 00:48:25 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:48:40 | Bagder | I use that from work and this from home |
| 00:49:32 | jaebird | I just built the 4g gray simulator...dude, that is cool |
| 00:49:55 | jaebird | I was wondering how linuxstb was able to modify so efficiently without having the hardware |
| 00:50:39 | Zoide777 | is the id3 database view supposed to be working on the latest 4g grayscale build? |
| 00:51:28 | jaebird | not sure...don't have the latest, just got home...and not sure what the id3 db is..hehe |
| 00:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zoide777: You have to use an external program to make the id3 database first. |
| 00:51:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know though if it's working on iPods at all, honestly. I haven't tried |
| 00:51:54 | Zoide777 | Paul_The_Nerd: like which? |
| 00:52:00 | Zoide777 | ah ok |
| 00:52:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase |
| 00:52:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Instructions are here, if you'd like to try |
| 00:52:15 | Zoide777 | thanks |
| 00:52:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Use the JAVA version if you can, btw. It's more reliable. |
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| 00:57:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure not a lot of people are around, but would anybody object if at some point in the next 48 hours or so, I rebuild the WPS Gallery organization by screen dimensions, and separated it into individual pages (per screen type) so that dialup users have less hassle? Also, is there any preferred way for WPS posting? With bitmap containing WPSes, it seems Preview image for main, and remote, and a .zip containing all applicable fil |
| 00:57:56 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: sounds like a great plan! |
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| 01:00:19 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Sounds good to me. I don't envy that task though. |
| 01:00:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm in a point in my life where a very dull, very repetitive task would actually help me a lot. So it seems like just the job. :) |
| 01:01:03 | LinusN | BeanJuice is a sure nominee for Rockbox Fanboy of the Week :-) |
| 01:01:11 | Bagder | yeah |
| 01:01:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | He was pretty vocal, wasn't he. |
| 01:01:48 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:01:52 | Bagder | I'm glad you offered him his money back, LinusN |
| 01:01:59 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:02:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's important that customers know that if they aren't satisfied, you're willing to accommodate them like that. |
| 01:02:38 | LinusN | yes, that's what customer care is all about |
| 01:02:47 | LinusN | fits our business model |
| 01:02:48 | tucoz | I would like to fix the chapter directories in the manual, but I want your blessing to do so. That is, rename the directories to getting_started/main.tex from chapter1/getting_started.tex |
| 01:03:01 | linuxstb_ | Maybe he made a donation and will be forwarding you his paypal details.... |
| 01:03:15 | LinusN | i'll gladly refund him |
| 01:03:23 | Bagder | hehe |
| 01:03:28 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 01:03:44 | Bagder | tucoz: I think that's a good idea |
| 01:03:55 | Bagder | getting stuck in those chapter numbers can't be good |
| 01:04:24 | ShyK | i support your customer service method. you know, Nero once offered a free copy of their AAC encoder to people if they perform some tests for them. i came up and said "maybe we should do the same with MPC?" and then remembered "oh wait it's BSD". |
| 01:04:44 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:04:48 | tucoz | Bagder: good. I'll got some cvs reading to to then :) |
| 01:05:06 | Bagder | tucoz: unfortunately there's no rename in CVS, just add new, delete old |
| 01:05:39 | tucoz | I know. That's why I need to read... |
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| 01:10:53 | pill | woah, there are some jaw-dropping 24bit wps's on misticriver |
| 01:11:12 | LinusN | yeah, jaw-dropping and cpu-sucking :-) |
| 01:11:23 | pill | oh |
| 01:11:25 | pill | yeah |
| 01:11:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 01:12:11 | * | Paul_The_Nerd still uses a simplified Rockbox_Default. |
| 01:12:45 | pill | on what model? |
| 01:13:10 | pill | because rockbox default only used half of my ihp140 screen |
| 01:13:13 | LinusN | i mostly use the default because it gets reset everytime i develop on it |
| 01:13:22 | pill | fair enough |
| 01:13:44 | Bagder | one day in a distant future, we should improve the default ;-) |
| 01:13:52 | Xerion | i mostly use boxes |
| 01:14:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | pill: H120 and iPod Nano both. I even removed the peakmeters on both of 'em. Though on Nano I have a background image. |
| 01:14:02 | pill | i like marquee |
| 01:14:13 | LinusN | i'd like someone to design some nice, graphical default wps'es |
| 01:14:29 | LinusN | with a nice Rockbox theme |
| 01:14:45 | LinusN | using the rb logo etc |
| 01:14:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: Have you looked at Boxes? |
| 01:15:03 | Bagder | boxes is cool |
| 01:15:25 | LinusN | boxes is nice, but i find it a little too eye-straining |
| 01:15:29 | pill | yeah boxes is nice |
| 01:15:36 | pill | but yeah |
| 01:15:58 | pill | i agree with linus |
| 01:16:01 | LinusN | i'm getting old, u know |
| 01:16:01 | Xerion | not for me ;p |
| 01:16:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity, was there something about the Scroll Margins patch that kept it out of consideration for CVS, or has it just not really been looked at yet? |
| 01:16:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems the sort of thing that'd make a big different in WPS design |
| 01:17:06 | tucoz | And I think the default rockbox-wps should be something that work well on all targets. (except colour versions for colour targets) |
| 01:17:15 | pill | is hasn't been committed officially yet? |
| 01:17:15 | Bagder | I want us to take the scrolling/positioning/font approach with viewports |
| 01:17:49 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: not really, except that it's kind of a half-solution |
| 01:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *really* like the viewport idea as I've seen it described. |
| 01:17:53 | Bagder | defining "boxes" on the screen that then also control the scrolling |
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| 01:19:03 | linuxstb_ | Does anyone think there is need for both margins and viewports? i.e. margins within the current viewport? (I can't) |
| 01:19:13 | Bagder | no, I don't think so |
| 01:19:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, once you have viewports margins are kinda moot |
| 01:19:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | useless |
| 01:19:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | rather. |
| 01:20:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | What ever happened to the idea of defining a viewport for the menu too? |
| 01:20:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that still around? |
| 01:20:53 | linuxstb_ | We need someone to implement viewports first... But I think that would be nice, especially for the larger LCDs. |
| 01:21:17 | Bagder | I think the menu should pop up in a splash-style box |
| 01:21:21 | LinusN | yes, the first step is to add viewports witl clipping to the lcd driver |
| 01:21:29 | LinusN | Bagder: yup |
| 01:22:55 | Zoide777 | and hopefully to have the graphics be run by the 2nd cpu? (scrolling through tiles while listening to a song makes the sound skip, etc.) |
| 01:22:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I kind a like the menu being its own screen, rather than a splash. It's nice being able to give it a separate backdrop. I was thinking about making the text white, and the background blue with a white border, 16-bit final fantasy text window styled, once the ability was finally in. Just, as an idea. |
| 01:24:28 | Bagder | true, backdrops do make a difference |
| 01:25:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And with that, I'd just need to set the viewport about 5 pixels in from each edge of the screen. Though, menu-in-splash would be kinda cool. |
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| 01:34:14 | linuxstb_ | Has anyone thought about how support for multiple fonts could be added? |
| 01:34:57 | Bagder | several ideas have bounced around |
| 01:35:06 | Bagder | but I don't think there's any concensus |
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| 01:36:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the problem for multiple fonts? |
| 01:44:17 | linuxstb_ | I was just wondering how it would work from a user's point of view - i.e. how customisable would we want to make Rockbox's use of fonts? |
| 01:45:13 | BHSPitLappy | what do you mean, exactly? |
| 01:45:37 | linuxstb_ | That's my question - what do people mean by "multiple font support" ? |
| 01:45:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally, the ability to set font on a per-line (or I suppose per-viewport) basis. |
| 01:46:16 | BHSPitLappy | i suppose |
| 01:46:21 | BHSPitLappy | or even text formatting |
| 01:46:51 | BHSPitLappy | like a large font for the song title, smaller ones for artist etc |
| 01:47:00 | BHSPitLappy | (my guess) |
| 01:47:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but that's still just per-line font assignments |
| 01:47:17 | BHSPitLappy | i know |
| 01:48:06 | linuxstb_ | The WPS is the easy part - we can just allow (for example) 2 or 3 different fonts to be used in a WPS, and Rockbox would need to keep them all in memory. I was thinking more about the rest of Rockbox. |
| 01:48:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it seems that the rest of rockbox should just use whichever font you browse fonts to |
| 01:49:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | The WPS can override that one within itself, but in the menus it's back to whichever one font you've picked. It seems like there's not much room for more than one font within the menuing system. |
| 01:50:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, much like backdrops, if there isn't a font set in the WPS, it uses your global font. |
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| 01:51:06 | tucoz | linuxstb: if I have cvs remove and cvs add a few files, do I need to tell cvs what files I want to commit? like cvs commit -m "message" file1 file2 file3? Or are those scheduled and I only need to cvs commit... |
| 01:51:23 | tucoz | darn |
| 01:52:07 | linuxstb | It's OK - I just moved computers.... |
| 01:52:13 | tucoz | :) |
| 01:52:48 | linuxstb | When you type "cvs commit" without any files, then cvs will commit all the files in the current directory (and subdirectories). |
| 01:53:03 | tucoz | Ok, all that I have changed right? |
| 01:53:20 | linuxstb | Yes - any files that haven't changed will just be ignored. |
| 01:54:06 | tucoz | Ok, I'll try this then. Hopefully I haven't forgotten anything. The manual builds though. |
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| 02:02:24 | tucoz | linuxstb: do you know why the chapters didn't get removed in this commit? |
| 02:03:12 | Cassandra | did you 'cvs del' the old files? |
| 02:03:27 | tucoz | no, I did cvs remove |
| 02:03:43 | Zoide777 | I noticed there's a database wiki from 2005 and a database v2 wiki that's from 2006. But the files from the new one are offline. what happened? |
| 02:04:41 | linuxstb | tucoz: Did cvs remove give you any messages? |
| 02:04:49 | tucoz | yes, scheduling etc. |
| 02:05:09 | tucoz | no error messages |
| 02:05:56 | linuxstb | Maybe you need to explicity commit those files - i.e. cvs remove file1 file2 file3 |
| 02:06:04 | linuxstb | Also, I don't think cvs lets you delete directories. |
| 02:06:24 | tucoz | No, empty dirs get deleted by the -P option I think |
| 02:08:51 | tucoz | ok, so I just cvs remove chapter1/... chapter2/... etc followed by cvs commit? |
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| 02:11:35 | linuxstb | tucoz: Yes. You also need to delete those files from your local directory - or tell CVS to do it by typing "cvs remove -f chapter1/... " |
| 02:14:27 | tucoz | I removed the files. In fact, I couldn't run cvs remove if the files were there. |
| 02:15:46 | tucoz | grrr |
| 02:16:04 | tucoz | I wonder why it doesn't work |
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| 02:18:33 | tucoz | I see, the directories are empty |
| 02:21:15 | linuxstb | Have you done cvs commit? |
| 02:21:20 | tucoz | yes |
| 02:21:25 | tucoz | It works now |
| 02:21:48 | linuxstb | Yes - I've just done a cvs update, and the chapter directories have gone. |
| 02:21:58 | linuxstb | Apart from chapter5... |
| 02:22:01 | tucoz | The problem was that the directories show up if I do cvs co, but they are empty and then removed by cvs up -dP |
| 02:22:08 | tucoz | yes, I'll do that now |
| 02:22:38 | linuxstb | Yes, there's nothing you can do about that - directories remain forever. |
| 02:22:45 | tucoz | hehe |
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| 04:00:29 | david_dl | hello |
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| 04:02:02 | david_dl | I just built and installed rockbox on my 4g grayscale |
| 04:02:06 | david_dl | very impressive |
| 04:02:24 | linuxstb | Glad it's working for you. |
| 04:02:28 | david_dl | However i found that the "hold menu to boot original firmware" didnt work |
| 04:02:40 | linuxstb | You need to press it _very_ early |
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| 04:02:51 | david_dl | ah |
| 04:02:56 | david_dl | ill try that |
| 04:02:57 | linuxstb | i.e. just before the apple logo appears |
| 04:03:35 | david_dl | also, i found that when it does boot the original firmware, (I modified the bootloader to do this) |
| 04:03:44 | david_dl | the apple software loads fine |
| 04:03:53 | david_dl | but the lcd is 'mirrored' |
| 04:04:00 | david_dl | (left-right) |
| 04:04:09 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: No I dind't had the time to test the midi patch? Did you update the patch so that it will compile cleanly? |
| 04:04:16 | linuxstb | damaki__: Yes, someone else reported that. Does it stay like that? |
| 04:04:23 | linuxstb | (sorry, I meant david_dl) |
| 04:04:29 | david_dl | yes |
| 04:04:52 | XavierGr | safetydan: I can hear major skipping (and imminently crash) with the SDL sim. (as you reported) |
| 04:04:55 | david_dl | even If i let it sleep etc, it will be mirrored when it wakes |
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| 04:05:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | XaverGr: If you use *both* patches on the tracker, the midi patch applies cleanly. |
| 04:05:37 | XavierGr | both? |
| 04:05:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are two files in the patch now |
| 04:05:50 | XavierGr | oh okay thanks |
| 04:06:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | midipatch.diff and midicvs.diff. I applied them (in that order) and it compiles |
| 04:06:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, I don't think it works on iPod yet. |
| 04:06:27 | XavierGr | what's the outcome? Do you get nice played midis? |
| 04:06:32 | XavierGr | ah okay |
| 04:06:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I got a screen full of "buffer miss" error messages. |
| 04:07:19 | linuxstb | david_dl: Do you know if you're running the latest version of the Apple firmware? |
| 04:07:27 | linuxstb | i.e. have you updated it recently? |
| 04:07:37 | Zoide777 | is songdb supposed to work with wavpack files? it's indexing my mp3's but not the wv's |
| 04:07:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zoide777: Just MP3 and I *think* ogg |
| 04:08:43 | david_dl | I updated it quite recently, if i go to settings->about it says 3.1.1 |
| 04:09:33 | Zoide777 | Paul_The_Nerd: aarrrgggg... |
| 04:09:39 | Zoide777 | Does anyone know what happened with database v2? the files are offline now (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2) and it seems abandoned... |
| 04:09:43 | XavierGr | Pault the nerd: I assume that you had a patch set when you used the plugin, right? |
| 04:11:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Yes |
| 04:12:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Compiling it for h120 now, I'll see if it works there |
| 04:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zoide777: The database system fell to the wayside for quite a while. |
| 04:13:34 | david_dl | linuxstb: this may or may not be helpful, but at the right side of the screen, about 10 pixels of what the bootloader was displaying is visible |
| 04:13:45 | david_dl | ie. the first letter of each line |
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| 04:14:06 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: same thing with my 4g grayscale |
| 04:14:22 | linuxstb | Zoide777: Do you know which version of the apple firmware you are running? |
| 04:15:18 | Zoide777 | david_dl: though i suppose you mean the left side of the actual screen, which (since everything's flipped) corresponds to the right side of the display? |
| 04:15:56 | david_dl | oh, sorry yea I meant left |
| 04:16:22 | david_dl | the display is of course fine in rockbox though |
| 04:17:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: On the H120 it seems to play the midi. It's a little glitchy, but it's definitely working |
| 04:25:11 | linuxstb | david_dl, Zoide777: Can you test a new bootloader? |
| 04:25:47 | david_dl | sure |
| 04:25:55 | linuxstb | It's here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-4gtest1.bin |
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| 04:27:02 | saratoga | I just noticed theres a patch for doing APEv2 tag reading on sourceforge |
| 04:27:15 | saratoga | did that ever get added to the standard CVS ? |
| 04:27:49 | david_dl | linuxstb: It works well, thanks |
| 04:27:57 | linuxstb | Does the Apple firmware work OK? |
| 04:28:01 | david_dl | although no text is shown anymore when its booting |
| 04:28:09 | david_dl | yep, apple firmware is working |
| 04:28:11 | linuxstb | Yes, not the best fix... |
| 04:28:17 | Zoide777 | let me test |
| 04:28:22 | linuxstb | I just removed all the LCD-related code from the bootloader. |
| 04:28:40 | david_dl | but rockbox works as well, so its not really a problem I guess, at least not for now |
| 04:29:32 | david_dl | its also nice to see that rockbox boots at least as fast as the apple firmware.. |
| 04:30:39 | david_dl | one other thing, not so serious, but when I connect the USB, rockbox detects it, and reboots to disk mode |
| 04:30:45 | david_dl | when I connect firewire, this doesnt happen |
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| 04:30:54 | david_dl | although it does detect that it's charging |
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| 04:33:28 | linuxstb | Yes, I haven't done anything to do with firewire yet. |
| 04:34:40 | Zoide777 | ahh... it's not flipped anymore you're right :) |
| 04:34:50 | linuxstb | Can you try this version? - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-4gtest2.bin |
| 04:34:54 | Zoide777 | ok |
| 04:35:03 | linuxstb | This still draws on the LCD, but doesn't call the initialisation code. |
| 04:36:01 | david_dl | I get text when booting now, but its scrambled |
| 04:36:15 | Zoide777 | same here |
| 04:36:26 | linuxstb | Is the apple firmware still OK? |
| 04:36:31 | david_dl | yes |
| 04:36:31 | Zoide777 | seems to be |
| 04:36:38 | david_dl | as is rockbox |
| 04:37:11 | linuxstb | Rockbox itself will initialise the LCD when it starts. The problem is obviously caused by the bootloader calling the initialisation code. |
| 04:37:51 | david_dl | ah, I thought rockbox was partially dependant on the bootloader for such initialisations |
| 04:38:07 | linuxstb | No, Rockbox does everything again. |
| 04:38:31 | linuxstb | The bootloader does very little hardware initialisation - for this very reason. It needs to keep the Apple firmware happy. |
| 04:38:55 | Zoide777 | why does rockbox do it all over again? |
| 04:39:18 | linuxstb | Because it's easier that way. The bootloader is basically a mini version of Rockbox. |
| 04:39:25 | david_dl | I guess that would make upgrading etc easier, the same bootloader can be used |
| 04:39:56 | david_dl | although upgrading the apple software would probably overwrite it? |
| 04:40:13 | linuxstb | Yes - but why would you want to do that? :) |
| 04:40:55 | linuxstb | Upgrading the apple software will just overwrite the bootloader - Rockbox itself should be intact. |
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| 04:41:34 | Zoide777 | ok, so the point is for rockbox to be independent of anything else that you have on the ipod, so that it can coexist with anything else. correct? |
| 04:41:54 | linuxstb | Yes. Rockbox can also be loaded by the ipodlinux bootloader. |
| 04:42:14 | Zoide777 | i see |
| 04:42:26 | Zoide777 | but ipodlinux isn't very good for actual music playing, right? |
| 04:42:43 | linuxstb | I've never managed to get it working. |
| 04:42:44 | david_dl | not currently |
| 04:42:48 | Vertigo_tdl | woohoo, rockbox installed on my h320, great work guys i'll be following this with interest |
| 04:43:20 | Zoide777 | are there any implementations that could use a tag database other than the old one in the wiki? |
| 04:44:25 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean. Rockbox only has one tag database. |
| 04:44:42 | david_dl | I couldn't get the rockbox database to work |
| 04:45:00 | linuxstb | But as others have said, that's been unmaintained for while, and a replacement (known as tagcache) is being developed to replace it. |
| 04:45:09 | david_dl | I used the java songdb.jar to build it, which seemed to work |
| 04:45:14 | david_dl | but rockbox froze trying to load it |
| 04:45:20 | david_dl | ah, sounds good |
| 04:45:38 | saratoga | whos working on the tagcache? |
| 04:45:47 | linuxstb | If I was you, I wouldn't waste time with the current database - just wait until the new one is done. |
| 04:46:05 | Zoide777 | i mean, is the database limited to mp3 & ogg because of the reader itself or just because of the creator? Could we create the database with some other program such that it includes more file types? |
| 04:46:14 | linuxstb | Slasheri is developing it. |
| 04:46:37 | david_dl | I'd expect that the limitation is because those are the only types it can read the tags of |
| 04:47:00 | Zoide777 | but when I open, say, a wavpack through the normal view it *does* display the tags |
| 04:47:08 | linuxstb | Yes, that's my guess as well - I don't know the current tag database code at all, but I would imagine it's just a limitation of the database creation program. |
| 04:47:23 | Zoide777 | hmm |
| 04:47:39 | david_dl | The ultimate would be a plugin for foobar to copy the files and generate the database, which would be able to use foobar's tag database, which would be very quick |
| 04:47:53 | linuxstb | Yes - that's because Rockbox has it's own tag parsers for all the formats it supports. The database creation programs implement their own... This is one thing the new system will fix. |
| 04:47:53 | david_dl | and support every tag out there |
| 04:48:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, as linuxstb said, the current database is being replaced with the tagcache anyway. |
| 04:48:41 | linuxstb | tagcache won't need an external database creation program - Rockbox itself will create the database using the same tag parsers it uses when playing the files. |
| 04:49:08 | david_dl | but it would still be possible to generate it externally? |
| 04:49:09 | Zoide777 | oh, so tagcache is a totally different project from database v2 (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2) ? |
| 04:49:28 | linuxstb | david_dl: No, I don't think it will. |
| 04:49:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which helps maintain the independence of a rockboxed DAP from any specific software on a computer. |
| 04:49:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | david_dl: Out of curiosity, why would an external application be preferable? |
| 04:49:53 | david_dl | ok, I guess the name 'tagcache' sort of suggests that |
| 04:50:01 | linuxstb | Someone could of course write such a program, but there is no real need for it. |
| 04:51:33 | david_dl | Paul_The_Nerd: Because your media player (ie. foobar2000) would have its own database of tags for each file, some of which would differ from the file's actual tags (ie. untaggable formats, formats with restrictive tags), and if you already have these tags, it would make sense to use them rather than thrash the DAP's harddrive |
| 04:52:16 | david_dl | also, you wouldn't be limited to the tags rockbox supports |
| 04:52:25 | saratoga | a foobar plugin would be cool just because you could still have info in the database if you have some oddball tag format not supported by rockbox, or whatever |
| 04:52:30 | saratoga | not that big a deal though i guess |
| 04:53:31 | linuxstb | The database format would of course be documented, so anyone could write such a plugin. |
| 04:53:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to say the very same thing. |
| 04:54:00 | david_dl | Cool, thats really what I meant when I asked if it would be possible to generate it externally. |
| 04:54:07 | linuxstb | But I can't think of any existing Rockbox developer who would be interested in such a task. |
| 04:54:39 | david_dl | I'm sure once it gains popularity many other people would |
| 04:55:18 | linuxstb | And of course, the database will be the same for all Rockbox'ed players - iriver, ipod and hopefully iaudio in the near future. |
| 04:55:26 | david_dl | very cool |
| 04:55:40 | Zoide777 | what was wrong with the current database structure? is v2 also being obsoleted? |
| 04:56:38 | linuxstb | There was probably nothing wrong with it, it's just that the only person with an interest in the tag database decided he wanted to write tagcache instead of maintaining the existing one. |
| 04:56:57 | Zoide777 | i see |
| 04:57:08 | linuxstb | But it will probably use a lot of the existing code in tag database. |
| 04:57:55 | david_dl | well, once its complete, If noone else does so, I might have a go at a foobar plugin to manage it |
| 04:58:42 | david_dl | It would be very nice to be able to copy, transcoding if necessary, the files and update the database all in one "Send to DAP" command from foobar |
| 04:59:11 | david_dl | as I can currently do with the apple firmware and foo_pod/foo_sendtopod |
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| 05:09:42 | saratoga | yeah, with foo_pod apparently under little developement, a replacement would be nice |
| 05:09:47 | saratoga | if it involved rockbox, all the better |
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| 08:06:04 | ssnajper | having problems installing rockbox on the 3g |
| 08:06:05 | ssnajper | ipod |
| 08:10:33 | Membrillo | linuxstb or preglow are the ones you will need to ask |
| 08:10:42 | Membrillo | unfortunately it seems they arent here |
| 08:15:18 | ssnajper | ok |
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| 10:21:37 | Membrillo | hmmm the new shoutbox at MR looks pretty useful... |
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| 10:38:48 | Membrillo | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/03/hand_powered_ip.html |
| 10:38:52 | Membrillo | hahaha |
| 10:38:53 | Membrillo | genious |
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| 11:17:23 | markun | morning JdGordon :) |
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| 11:58:19 | Membrillo | anyone know of a good scrolling RSS reader for firefox. ie it will scroll through my subscribed rss feeds at the top or bottom of my firefox windows |
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| 12:06:36 | Membrillo | ? |
| 12:06:45 | JdGordon | .. geuss not.. |
| 12:07:19 | Membrillo | dang |
| 12:08:50 | JdGordon | how do u boot the ipod fw instead of rb? |
| 12:09:21 | Mikachu | hold down menu |
| 12:09:25 | Mikachu | before the apple shows up |
| 12:10:00 | Cassandra | Membrillo, not sure if Sage will do what you want, but I like it. |
| 12:10:54 | Membrillo | i tried sage. id rather just have all my RSS feeds cycle along a bar at the top, rather than opening up a side box and go through t |
| 12:10:56 | Membrillo | hem |
| 12:11:20 | Membrillo | also, selecting rss feeds on sage navigated away from your current page |
| 12:11:24 | Cassandra | And keeping them as Live Bookmarks doesn't work for you? |
| 12:11:44 | Membrillo | whats a live bookmark? |
| 12:12:04 | Cassandra | Firefox's built in support for RSS feeds. |
| 12:12:14 | Membrillo | ah, didnt know there was such a thing |
| 12:12:16 | linuxstb | A menu of bookmarks that updates "live" based on an rss feed. |
| 12:12:24 | Cassandra | You just bookmark an RSS link IIRC, and it treats it like a folder of bookmarks. |
| 12:12:50 | Cassandra | And you can have bars of bookmarks across the top of the browser. |
| 12:13:15 | Membrillo | yeah, i knew you could have bars across the top, but i didnt know it didnt anything special with RSS feeds |
| 12:13:49 | Membrillo | hmmm, if i add the link to the rss feed and open it, it just shows me the .xml file |
| 12:14:03 | Membrillo | add the link as a bookmark i mean |
| 12:14:17 | linuxstb | Just browse to a site with an rss feed (e.g. slashdot) and you'll get an RSS icon in the bottom-right corner of your firefox window. Just click on that to add a live bookmark. |
| 12:14:57 | linuxstb | I haven't worked out how to do it without using that icon... |
| 12:15:10 | Membrillo | i want the RSS feed of this site: http://benfolds.com. it has an rss link but no little orange thing |
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| 12:16:16 | Membrillo | am i blind or is there no little orange thing |
| 12:16:36 | linuxstb | That seems a problem with the site - it's not correctly identifying that file as RSS. Just "text/xml" |
| 12:16:50 | linuxstb | It should also refer to it in the header of the html page. |
| 12:17:04 | Membrillo | ah fair enough |
| 12:17:18 | Membrillo | because its worked if i fead that xml file into other RSS readers (ie sage) |
| 12:17:29 | Membrillo | but obviously firefox is getting confused |
| 12:17:30 | linuxstb | Adding feeds manually is described here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/RSS_feeds_(Firefox) |
| 12:18:04 | Membrillo | RSS feeds (Firefox From MozillaZine Knowledge Base) −−- (There is currently no text in this page) |
| 12:18:28 | Membrillo | wait sorry, missing a ) at the end |
| 12:18:30 | linuxstb | Here's the info: "You can add this manually by copying the link address then selecting "Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks" from the Toolbar, selecting "File -> New Live Bookmark" then choosing a name and pasting/typing in the link's address." |
| 12:20:50 | Membrillo | ah got that |
| 12:21:05 | Membrillo | so to check the rss feeds i go into bookmarks and highlight the one i want? |
| 12:21:18 | linuxstb | Try it - you'll see how it works. |
| 12:21:39 | Mikachu | where do i get dict.index and dict.desc for the dict plugin? |
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| 12:27:52 | Membrillo | https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&category=News%20Reading&id=36 |
| 12:27:57 | Membrillo | sorry |
| 12:27:58 | Membrillo | https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&category=News%20Reading&id=361 |
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| 12:28:05 | Membrillo | the second link |
| 12:28:10 | Membrillo | does what i want perfectly |
| 12:28:31 | Membrillo | does rockbox have an RSS feed? |
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| 12:30:59 | Membrillo | ? |
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| 12:44:48 | Mikachu | what sort of files can i put in backdrops? |
| 12:45:14 | mozetti | i think it's just .bmp |
| 12:45:16 | Membrillo | 24 bit BMP |
| 12:45:17 | linuxstb | .bmp files - but they must be exactly the same resolution as your lcd. |
| 12:45:25 | Mikachu | okay |
| 12:45:26 | linuxstb | What player do you have? |
| 12:45:29 | Mikachu | nano |
| 12:45:43 | linuxstb | So 176x132 |
| 12:46:12 | Membrillo | is the nano screen colour? |
| 12:46:17 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 12:46:26 | Mikachu | thanks |
| 12:46:27 | Membrillo | not bad. i dont much about ipods :P |
| 12:46:36 | linuxstb | It uses the same 16-bit high-level lcd code as the h300 and other ipods. |
| 12:46:44 | Membrillo | oh ok |
| 12:46:59 | Membrillo | does anyone know anything about the Creative Zen Vision:M players |
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| 12:47:08 | linuxstb | They don't run Rockbox... |
| 12:47:16 | Membrillo | haha, yes i know that much |
| 12:47:24 | linuxstb | What more do you need? :) |
| 12:47:46 | Membrillo | my brother is buying one when they come to Australia and im just wondering what he has on my H320 |
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| 12:48:10 | Membrillo | and what my H320 will have on his, for that matter |
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| 12:48:56 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do u know what needs to be done to get the alarm wakeup going o the h300? |
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| 12:49:04 | t0mas | is the "iPod 4G Grayscale - Simulator" an X11 or an SDL sim? |
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| 12:49:37 | t0mas | (and I assume "iPod 4G Grayscale - Normal" and "iPod 4G Grayscale - Boot" are ARM right?) |
| 12:50:15 | linuxstb | t0mas: Yes. |
| 12:50:21 | t0mas | and SDL? |
| 12:50:26 | linuxstb | Yes - the sim is SDL |
| 12:50:28 | t0mas | ok |
| 12:50:38 | linuxstb | The win32 and x11 sims don't work. |
| 12:50:45 | Membrillo | JdGordon: i also think this would be useful |
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| 12:51:16 | jackinabox^ | hi all |
| 12:51:22 | Membrillo | Howdy |
| 12:51:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't know about the h300. but there won't be much work to get it working on the iPod. But I don't know how things are wired up inside the h300. |
| 12:51:25 | t0mas | linuxstb: is it true that we have some X11 sims left? like player and recorder? |
| 12:51:48 | t0mas | or are those sdl already? |
| 12:52:32 | linuxstb | I think they're SDL slready. |
| 12:52:37 | t0mas | ok |
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| 12:52:43 | safetydan | bah, the SDL sim dies inside pcmbuf_callback when playing sound and you seek back in the first few seconds |
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| 12:52:49 | * | safetydan continues poking and sound playback in the sim |
| 12:52:55 | safetydan | s/and/at/ |
| 12:52:59 | Membrillo | JdGordon, linuxstb: theres only one person that can tell us. the almighty linus |
| 12:53:13 | jackinabox^ | guys, dumb question...i've got an iriver H340 with the 1.29 firmware (video support), what benefits would rockbox add?? |
| 12:53:17 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:53:28 | Membrillo | what does the s stand for in s/old/new |
| 12:53:29 | JdGordon | jackinabox^: nothing really |
| 12:53:32 | linuxstb | safetydan: You should look at the code that runs on the targets in firmware/pcm_playback.c. I think the sim playback code will need to mimic that as closely as possible. |
| 12:53:40 | Membrillo | jackinabox^: way too many to list |
| 12:53:50 | JdGordon | rockbox is shite combared to the origional firmware... |
| 12:53:58 | safetydan | linuxstb, yeah I'm getting the feeling that the sim sound code needs to some redoing after the recent changes |
| 12:54:04 | Membrillo | jackinabox^: seriously, try rockbox. you will regret not using it earlier |
| 12:54:07 | * | JdGordon 's msg may contain traces of sarcasm |
| 12:54:20 | safetydan | jackinabox^, and if you don't like it, you can always boot the old firmware anyway |
| 12:54:25 | * | Membrillo kicks jdgordon for scaring the new kid |
| 12:54:25 | jackinabox^ | exactly what does it do?? |
| 12:54:32 | JdGordon | *ouch* |
| 12:54:36 | Membrillo | everything the original doesnt |
| 12:54:42 | Mikachu | Membrillo: it's sed syntax |
| 12:54:56 | Membrillo | and everything the original does, a heck of a lot better |
| 12:55:03 | Membrillo | except video |
| 12:55:07 | Membrillo | thats not supported yet |
| 12:55:13 | linuxstb | safetydan: I don't know how the sim code works, but it needs a thread to simulate the DMA/interrupts and keep feeding data to the host audio driver. |
| 12:55:16 | JdGordon | jackinabox^: lets u make playlists on the fly.. so ur not resticted to music in 1 folder.. play games... |
| 12:55:26 | jackinabox^ | bu, so i'd lose video playback? |
| 12:55:29 | Membrillo | plus, its dual boot, so you can still boot the original if you want |
| 12:55:34 | linuxstb | WMA is another missing feature in Rockbox |
| 12:55:35 | Membrillo | nope |
| 12:55:42 | Membrillo | you have both rockbox and original |
| 12:55:52 | jackinabox^ | oh, ok |
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| 12:55:59 | SereRoKR | what's status with RockBox on iPod Video? ;> |
| 12:56:00 | safetydan | jackinabox^, ogg, flac, shorten and playback, crossfade, 5 band parametric equalizer, customisable while playing screen, plugins... playable Doom :) |
| 12:56:20 | jackinabox^ | like i say, these doubtless sound like dumb questions for you |
| 12:56:20 | Mikachu | i didn't get doom working :( |
| 12:56:25 | JdGordon | oh, and biggest thing.. 10s boot.. not 45s |
| 12:56:31 | safetydan | linuxstb, part of the problem is I don't know how the sim code works either :) |
| 12:56:32 | Membrillo | give it a chance. it confused me for a few weeks, but now ive forgotten everything relating to the original firmware |
| 12:57:14 | jackinabox^ | ok, i'll have to give it a crack |
| 12:57:20 | * | Membrillo would marry rockbox if it were legal to marry open source software |
| 12:57:27 | t0mas | lol |
| 12:57:30 | JdGordon | haha |
| 12:57:36 | jackinabox^ | hmmmm |
| 12:57:38 | * | Membrillo ponders the next best thing being linus? |
| 12:57:41 | Membrillo | :P |
| 12:57:44 | * | jackinabox^ is disturbed |
| 12:57:50 | jackinabox^ | deeply :P |
| 12:58:02 | JdGordon | Membrillo: he mihgt not like that idea |
| 12:58:04 | * | t0mas points at the news that Linus has a wife and kids iirc ;) |
| 12:58:49 | Membrillo | alright ill stop talking crap now :P |
| 12:59:19 | Membrillo | jackinabox^: yeah, once you get used to rockbox, it kicks the original firmware in the ass |
| 12:59:25 | linuxstb | safetydan: I don't understand why the pcm_* functions in uisimulator/common/stubs.c are not implemented. These would seem to be crucial to audio playback. |
| 12:59:39 | jackinabox^ | i do LOVE .avi compression....17 dvds taking up just over 5GB :) |
| 12:59:46 | * | JdGordon has too much crap on his h300... 220mb free |
| 12:59:59 | * | Membrillo has 7mb left on his h320 |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:02 | jackinabox^ | shite! |
| 13:00:21 | jackinabox^ | i still have well over half mine free |
| 13:00:24 | Membrillo | JdGordon: h340 or 20? |
| 13:00:30 | JdGordon | 20 |
| 13:00:36 | Membrillo | ah ok |
| 13:00:42 | JdGordon | but i only listen to maybe2gb tho :p |
| 13:00:53 | jackinabox^ | as do we all :) |
| 13:00:59 | Membrillo | if i could find an australian distributor of 1.8" tosh drives i would grab a 60gb |
| 13:01:14 | JdGordon | i would too if u could and i had money |
| 13:01:23 | jackinabox^ | that's plain over-kill |
| 13:01:27 | JdGordon | actually.. no i would buy your 40 off ya... |
| 13:01:33 | Membrillo | i have 6000 songs and ive listened to most of them throughout time |
| 13:01:34 | JdGordon | u have the 340 right? |
| 13:01:41 | jackinabox^ | me? |
| 13:01:41 | Membrillo | nah i have a 20 |
| 13:01:41 | linuxstb | Membrillo: Were you the person looking to put an ipod hard drive in their h300? |
| 13:01:47 | Membrillo | linuxstb: yep |
| 13:01:55 | linuxstb | Did you ever find a definitive answer? |
| 13:02:13 | JdGordon | y wouldnt it work? arnt they the same hdd's? |
| 13:02:27 | jackinabox^ | i would say no way |
| 13:02:37 | Membrillo | not definitive, but we came to a conclusion that ipod hardrives work on irivers, but external harddrives dont work on harddrives |
| 13:02:37 | jackinabox^ | steve wouldn't allow it |
| 13:02:45 | Membrillo | gar |
| 13:02:46 | Membrillo | its late |
| 13:02:51 | safetydan | linuxstb, I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to break the other sims... |
| 13:02:52 | Membrillo | dont work on ipods* |
| 13:02:54 | safetydan | maybe it doesn't matter now |
| 13:02:58 | jackinabox^ | only 8pm here :) |
| 13:03:24 | linuxstb | safetydan: I would agree - breaking audio on the other sims is a small price to pay for it working perfectly in SDL. |
| 13:03:28 | Membrillo | some ipod firmware locking mechanism was the furthest we got |
| 13:03:33 | JdGordon | GAH WTF??? i just found trance in my collection... fuck i hat e trance |
| 13:03:47 | Membrillo | haha same here |
| 13:03:51 | * | safetydan gets breaking |
| 13:04:02 | Mikachu | yay, my backdrop worked :) |
| 13:04:11 | Membrillo | i have 8gb of improvised songs. is that depressing? |
| 13:04:12 | jackinabox^ | dance music as no place on an mp3 player, period |
| 13:04:12 | t0mas | safetydan: tnx, now I can test our new build system with a lot of broken builds :D |
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| 13:05:34 | linuxstb | Membrillo: My theory is still that the people who tried are incompetent. iPods are very fussy about what data is on the hard drive, and will refuse to operate if it's not correct. But this is purely a "software" issue. |
| 13:06:00 | linuxstb | But ignore that - we are talking about the other way around.... |
| 13:06:57 | Membrillo | yeah, i think most of the problems people had were that they were taking the harddrives out of their friends broken ipods. they figured it was a software issue, but it was obviously broken harddrives. If you format the HD and repartition it, i dont see why it wouldnt work |
| 13:07:04 | Mikachu | this is a bit silly, but is it possible to have a bootloader or chained bootloaders so i can boot both ipl, rockbox and apple? |
| 13:07:17 | Membrillo | yes, you can have all three |
| 13:07:34 | Membrillo | rockbox is the dominant bootloader, and it can boot the other two IIRC |
| 13:07:39 | Mikachu | okay |
| 13:07:44 | linuxstb | Yes - the Rockbox bootloader loads all three, and so can ipodlinux's ipodloader2 |
| 13:07:46 | Membrillo | ask linuxstb: though |
| 13:08:01 | Mikachu | do i want to add the ipl bootloader as an image to the rockbox bootloader or the linux kernel directly? |
| 13:08:03 | Membrillo | theres your answer :P |
| 13:08:04 | jackinabox^ | IIRC?? |
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| 13:08:20 | linuxstb | Mikachu: What is on your ipod at the moment? |
| 13:08:23 | Mikachu | jackinabox^: if i recall correctly |
| 13:08:32 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i have apple and rockbox now, but the ipl partition is on too |
| 13:08:37 | Mikachu | just no loader that can reach it |
| 13:08:45 | Membrillo | jackinabox^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk |
| 13:08:49 | jackinabox^ | oh ok.. irc lingo is rusty :P |
| 13:09:03 | linuxstb | Perfect - just copy a kernel image (called linux.bin) to the root of your FAT32 partition and hold PLAY whilst booting. |
| 13:09:19 | linuxstb | i.e. in the same place as rockbox.ipod lives. |
| 13:09:37 | jackinabox^ | too many acronyms in my ead from uni |
| 13:09:52 | jackinabox^ | head |
| 13:10:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:10:11 | Membrillo | hehe i know what you mean |
| 13:10:16 | Mikachu | ah, cool |
| 13:10:35 | jackinabox^ | what are you studying membrillo? |
| 13:10:53 | JdGordon | any1 know a good mp3 renamer/tagger? |
| 13:11:05 | Membrillo | im in Australian Year11. (2 years till uni) |
| 13:11:09 | jackinabox^ | not me, sorry |
| 13:11:12 | Membrillo | TagScanner |
| 13:11:20 | jackinabox^ | oh, ok |
| 13:11:33 | JdGordon | Membrillo: poor bugger.. |
| 13:11:37 | jackinabox^ | what state are u in? i'm in WA |
| 13:11:38 | JdGordon | yr11/12 sucked :D |
| 13:11:50 | Membrillo | NSW |
| 13:11:52 | jackinabox^ | it did indeed |
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| 13:11:58 | Membrillo | yeah, ive heard that a lot lol |
| 13:12:01 | jackinabox^ | oh, ok |
| 13:12:04 | JdGordon | wooo VIC rules :D |
| 13:12:25 | Membrillo | and the 3 hours of homework ive been getting a night isnt exactly fun |
| 13:12:35 | jackinabox^ | not worth responding to that tripe really |
| 13:12:35 | Mikachu | hm, my Open With menu is a bit messed up |
| 13:12:42 | jackinabox^ | :P |
| 13:12:44 | Membrillo | man, i wish i was in melbourne |
| 13:12:45 | Mikachu | it's not in sync with what i have in .rockbox/viewers and some entries are there twice |
| 13:12:54 | Mikachu | is it not updated live from that dir? |
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| 13:14:09 | Mikachu | hm, how does viewers.config work? |
| 13:14:17 | jackinabox^ | i don't suppose there's an knon moves afoot to allow the H340 to have a jukebox style function (like multiple track queueing)?? |
| 13:14:32 | jackinabox^ | any known rather |
| 13:15:01 | Mikachu | and what are the hex parameters on the end of the line? |
| 13:15:08 | JdGordon | the icon |
| 13:15:11 | Mikachu | ah |
| 13:15:30 | Membrillo | jackinabox^: yes, highlight a song or folder and hold navi, go to playlist |
| 13:15:56 | Membrillo | queueing means the song is removed from the playlist after being played, insert means its removed |
| 13:16:39 | Mikachu | so i guess rockboy doesn't work so well on ipod |
| 13:16:45 | jackinabox^ | oh, ok..and i don't need rockbox for that? |
| 13:17:13 | Membrillo | if you want all included subfolders to be added, hit ab in file view, go playlist options, and select recursivelt insert directories |
| 13:17:20 | Membrillo | no you need rockbox |
| 13:17:29 | jackinabox^ | ahhh, ok |
| 13:17:34 | Membrillo | in the original firmware you can only queue one song |
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| 13:17:49 | jackinabox^ | i don't have that installed yet |
| 13:18:04 | jackinabox^ | that's why i was asking :) |
| 13:19:27 | Membrillo | go for rockbox, it pwns :) |
| 13:21:26 | JdGordon | an1 listen to ill disposed here? |
| 13:22:01 | jackinabox^ | not me |
| 13:22:35 | Membrillo | nope |
| 13:22:49 | Membrillo | they sound depressing :p |
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| 13:23:38 | jackinabox^ | i'm more into older stuff ACDC, Chisel, Stones, Beatles, etc |
| 13:23:42 | Membrillo | wow, pavaroti is singing at the winter olympics opening ceremony |
| 13:23:58 | Membrillo | gees, hes an amazing singer |
| 13:24:24 | jackinabox^ | yeah, just not my cup of tea in terms of genre :) |
| 13:24:48 | Membrillo | haha yeah fair enough, but still, for what he is, hes amazing |
| 13:24:53 | JdGordon | brb |
| 13:25:09 | Membrillo | pity he'll probably die of heart disease soon |
| 13:25:10 | jackinabox^ | indeed, no dispute :) |
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| 13:25:50 | jackinabox^ | bah! you're here for a good time, not a long time! |
| 13:26:15 | Membrillo | hehe |
| 13:26:58 | jackinabox^ | so it's mainly an aussie crowd in here? |
| 13:27:10 | Membrillo | i guess so |
| 13:27:12 | ashridah | jackinabox^: depends on the time of day |
| 13:27:20 | jackinabox^ | ok |
| 13:27:20 | Membrillo | its something ridiculous like 4am in USA |
| 13:27:26 | Membrillo | no idea about europe |
| 13:27:35 | jackinabox^ | piss weak excuse :P |
| 13:27:39 | Membrillo | its obviously night time in italy |
| 13:27:42 | ashridah | europe's currently around midday-2pm |
| 13:27:49 | ashridah | but the devs there have dayjobs |
| 13:27:57 | linuxstb | On Saturday? |
| 13:28:05 | Membrillo | go back |
| 13:28:06 | ashridah | Membrillo: yeah, that's why italy currently has full sun |
| 13:28:08 | Membrillo | its friday there |
| 13:28:16 | linuxstb | I should know.... |
| 13:28:26 | jackinabox^ | membrilo; league or union fan? |
| 13:28:30 | linuxstb | It's currently 12.28pm GMT on Saturday. |
| 13:28:33 | ashridah | Membrillo: no it isn't. |
| 13:28:51 | Membrillo | it isnt? fair enough |
| 13:29:03 | linuxstb | The UK is currently GMT, western Europe is GMT+1 |
| 13:29:05 | ashridah | Membrillo: europe is behind us, not in front |
| 13:29:09 | * | safetydan would be in trouble if it was Friday |
| 13:29:12 | safetydan | I'd have to be at work |
| 13:29:14 | linuxstb | hehe... |
| 13:29:17 | JdGordon | ashridah: everywhere is behind us |
| 13:29:21 | JdGordon | apart from nz |
| 13:29:22 | Membrillo | i just assumed since i was watching the winter olympics opening ceremony in italy and it was night. musnt be live though |
| 13:29:25 | * | ashridah notes what he said made no sense :) |
| 13:29:30 | ashridah | actually. it kinda does. |
| 13:29:30 | ashridah | nevermind ;) |
| 13:29:32 | safetydan | East coast aus is GMT+10 |
| 13:29:45 | Membrillo | england is 11 hours behind EST |
| 13:29:55 | linuxstb | No, the opening ceremony was about 16 hours ago - Friday night local time in Italy. |
| 13:29:56 | safetydan | depends on daylight savings |
| 13:29:56 | Membrillo | wait 9 sorry |
| 13:30:00 | JdGordon | safetydan: +11.. dst atm |
| 13:30:03 | * | ashridah pats kworldclock |
| 13:30:30 | safetydan | DST makes it hard to remember, it can be as low as +9 and and as great as +11 |
| 13:30:36 | safetydan | (unless you're in QLD of course) |
| 13:30:43 | linuxstb | Someone needs to code a World Clock in Rockbox.... |
| 13:30:47 | jackinabox^ | don't get me started about DST!! |
| 13:31:31 | Membrillo | everyone should tell the clock there location and you can click on anyones username from a list and it says the date and time in their location |
| 13:31:43 | Membrillo | man that would be useful |
| 13:31:56 | JdGordon | Membrillo: get miranda-im... u can show ppl's local time on the ocntact list |
| 13:31:58 | t0mas | Bagder, linuxstb, lostlogic, jaebird: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/ |
| 13:32:08 | t0mas | we have pretty good buildtimes now |
| 13:32:30 | t0mas | (Links to error's don't work... I don't have that CGI script on my server) |
| 13:33:28 | safetydan | gcc can throw some really cryptic errors sometimes |
| 13:33:34 | linuxstb | t0mas: Nice. Will that continue updating now? |
| 13:33:41 | jackinabox^ | safetydan, WA doesn't use DST either |
| 13:33:58 | t0mas | linuxstb: no, but I can make it... |
| 13:33:58 | JdGordon | does rb charge the h300 if the ac adapter is plugged in and its in usb mode? |
| 13:34:06 | ashridah | safetydan: bah, it's easy to confuse a parser :) |
| 13:34:09 | linuxstb | t0mas: That would be fun. |
| 13:34:11 | * | Membrillo wishes MSN messenger supported IRC |
| 13:34:23 | t0mas | linuxstb: the only problem atm is that I edited that file manually... because the rockbox stylesheet isn't linked it |
| 13:34:26 | t0mas | *in |
| 13:34:36 | safetydan | lcd-bitmap.c:31: error: storage class specified for parameter ‘get_lcd_pixel’ |
| 13:34:44 | t0mas | I can make a rockbox subdomain... and put it there... |
| 13:34:47 | t0mas | rockbox.salfischberger.nl |
| 13:34:51 | safetydan | now how does that mean "you missed a semicolon in a prototype in another include file"? |
| 13:34:59 | jackinabox^ | geek question...what is RB coded in? C C++ Java?? |
| 13:35:03 | t0mas | linuxstb: but we get a spot on the real server soon... and that will be even faster :D |
| 13:35:04 | Membrillo | C |
| 13:35:05 | safetydan | jackinabox^, C |
| 13:35:15 | linuxstb | But with small bits of assembler as well. |
| 13:35:16 | Membrillo | Doesnt Java = C anyway? |
| 13:35:18 | safetydan | with a sprinkling of platform specific asm here and there |
| 13:35:19 | jackinabox^ | cool, PIG of a language though |
| 13:35:20 | safetydan | Membrillo, hahahah |
| 13:35:36 | Membrillo | or java = C++ or something |
| 13:35:38 | safetydan | Or are you serious? |
| 13:35:52 | safetydan | Java looks similar but is largely unrelated to either C or C++ |
| 13:36:11 | * | safetydan is a Java programmer by day |
| 13:36:27 | JdGordon | and spirderman by night... |
| 13:36:27 | jackinabox^ | Java is basically the plain english version of C |
| 13:36:33 | Membrillo | fair enough. i just read somewhere that things in Java can easily be ported to C or C++ because they are based on the same something-or-other and are similar |
| 13:36:35 | JdGordon | c++, not c |
| 13:37:56 | safetydan | Membrillo, syntax is similar, but it's not exactly straightforward to port things between them |
| 13:38:02 | linuxstb | Membrillo: IIUC, I'm sure you can write Java that is very similar to C or C++ - but in general, a Java program will use Java-specific features, and therefore will not be easy to port to another language. |
| 13:38:14 | * | safetydan curses whoever changed the case of null between languages |
| 13:38:19 | safetydan | NULL in C, null in Java |
| 13:38:23 | safetydan | gets me everytime |
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| 13:38:33 | JdGordon | #define NULL null |
| 13:38:36 | JdGordon | simple... |
| 13:38:52 | safetydan | ha |
| 13:38:52 | linuxstb | s/null/NULL/ |
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| 13:38:59 | safetydan | I don't think the other devs would like that :) |
| 13:39:06 | RoyalMike | Heya guys |
| 13:39:42 | jackinabox^ | that's why i switched from computer science (basically a programming degree) to an IT degree at uni, majoring in computer security |
| 13:39:54 | jackinabox^ | just use programs, no coding! :) |
| 13:39:56 | JdGordon | linuxstb: any idea which file the file tree context menu would be found in? |
| 13:40:07 | ashridah | jackinabox^: because of the null vs NULL thing? that seems wimpy :) |
| 13:40:10 | linuxstb | You're probably thinking of onplay.c |
| 13:40:33 | jackinabox^ | nah, coz i was shite at it all round |
| 13:41:30 | * | Membrillo wishes his school had taught him C rather than VB |
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| 13:42:05 | JdGordon | thanx.. can u please add a tiny patch so insert shuffled is shown if nothing is being played? so u can shuffle a dir without being in shuffle mode? |
| 13:42:07 | safetydan | Membrillo, it's not too late to learn |
| 13:42:42 | JdGordon | Membrillo: i found c pretty simple to pick up.. all u need is a half decent book or tutes |
| 13:42:43 | ashridah | Membrillo: if you mean high school, no high school will do that. pascal back in the day, now vb, but not C |
| 13:42:49 | Membrillo | i know, but it would be a lot more convinient if i already knew C and didnt have VB in my head |
| 13:42:52 | webguest81 | safteydan, err, a reminder about the playlist patch |
| 13:43:14 | safetydan | webguest81, Moos talked to me about that, said hardeep was looking at it |
| 13:43:17 | safetydan | so I've left it alone for now |
| 13:43:17 | ashridah | Membrillo: ultimately, programming's a thought process, not a language. |
| 13:43:38 | webguest81 | ah that is good news indeed, thank you, |
| 13:43:42 | Membrillo | yeah, well i had a bit of talent for coding in VB. hopefully that continues to other languages |
| 13:43:57 | safetydan | Membrillo, VB or VB.net? |
| 13:44:08 | Membrillo | just VB i think |
| 13:44:24 | Membrillo | i have visual studio if that means anything |
| 13:44:26 | RoyalMike | Hey do any of you guys know when your running rockbox in an ipod how you delete recent bookmarks? cuz its normall on+play but which buttons is that on an ipod? any ideas? |
| 13:44:27 | safetydan | Might be an easy step to go to VB.net as it's closer to C than VB was |
| 13:44:31 | jackinabox^ | what have i started?! :) |
| 13:44:56 | Mikachu | RoyalMike: try mneu+left and +right, something like that worked for me |
| 13:45:01 | Mikachu | RoyalMike: i'm not sure which it was though |
| 13:45:13 | Mikachu | RoyalMike: or play+left/right |
| 13:45:15 | Mikachu | who knows |
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| 13:46:10 | linuxstb | It's currently a long press on RIGHT. |
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| 13:46:11 | JdGordon | wtf?? all the old patches are back? |
| 13:46:15 | RoyalMike | Hahaha shitttt I did menu+right and it deleted ALL my bookmarks!!! GAYYYYY hahahahaha |
| 13:46:44 | Membrillo | HAHAHAHA OMGZ DATSS SOOOO FUNI!! ;);;) |
| 13:46:48 | Mikachu | well, i could have been wrong |
| 13:46:58 | * | Membrillo apologises, he just felt the urge |
| 13:47:19 | linuxstb | Anyone know anything about id3v2 tags? Are they normally at the start or the end of the file? |
| 13:47:25 | RoyalMike | hahaahha no worries :P good excuse to listen to all my music again |
| 13:47:49 | Mikachu | linuxstb: they can be on either side i think, at least in 2.4 |
| 13:48:13 | Mikachu | i'm not sure if 2.3 can be either or only at the start |
| 13:48:23 | linuxstb | Do you know what the most common usage is? |
| 13:48:23 | RoyalMike | i wonder if they will make it so the rockbox can eventually play .mid .mod .sid files etc hehe that would be cool |
| 13:48:39 | Mikachu | i think they're normally at the beginning but i can't promise anything |
| 13:48:47 | linuxstb | That's OK - that's what I thought. |
| 13:48:57 | ashridah | RoyalMike: mid, mod and sid are difficult formats. |
| 13:49:07 | Mikachu | beginning is better when reading but end is better when writing i guess |
| 13:49:15 | ashridah | sid in particular, since you need a complete interpreter for the chip that originally played it |
| 13:49:24 | JdGordon | linuxstb: pretty please with a huge freeking cherry on top if u can add this patch.. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429679&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 13:49:48 | ashridah | Rob2222: mid needs to be loaded entirely into memory, and i don't know if there's an integer-based version of a mod codec (the status of all of these should be in the wiki) |
| 13:50:11 | RoyalMike | true......I spose there shouldnt be a good reason why I should want to walk around listening to old .sid files from my commadore 64 games anyway haha |
| 13:50:15 | Mikachu | wouldn't midi suck without a huge wavetable anyway? |
| 13:50:16 | ashridah | arghl |
| 13:50:24 | ashridah | s/rob2222/RoyalMike/ |
| 13:50:37 | ashridah | RoyalMike: just use something to convert them into flac |
| 13:50:43 | linuxstb | There is a work-in-progress midi player in Rockbox - kkurbjun is working on improving it, and I think has put a patch on the patch tracker. |
| 13:50:46 | ashridah | Mikachu: that's where a lot of the memory goes |
| 13:50:57 | RoyalMike | Ahh good call |
| 13:51:10 | ashridah | there's no simple way to mix .mid in with normal streamed codecs |
| 13:51:27 | ashridah | since you need a crapload of the normal codec buffer for the wave table |
| 13:51:57 | ashridah | it'd probably be possible to get them playing with a viewer (i believe we've got a midi2wav viewer, just not a player) |
| 13:52:08 | ashridah | i don't remember how well it performs tho |
| 13:52:19 | RoyalMike | Also do you guys know if or when you will be able to view .jpg and colour pics on ipod? cuz I know it works with rockbox on the other mp3 players and ipods now have colour in menus etc so yeah..dunno |
| 13:52:28 | ashridah | or if it still runs, it's kinda stagnated |
| 13:53:02 | linuxstb | RoyalMike: When somebody puts back the colour decoding code that was removed when the jpeg decoder was first added to Rockbox. A few people have expressed an interest in doing that. |
| 13:53:08 | ashridah | RoyalMike: if is certain. when depends on when someone gets around to it, which is a matter of priorities and spare time. |
| 13:53:14 | RoyalMike | Mann i wish I could program... I got about as far as oldschool visual basic and gave up hehe |
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| 13:54:26 | Mikachu | i think i saw some other jpeg viewers in the patches part of the site, are they also b/w? |
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| 13:54:46 | RoyalMike | you guys deserve a medal or something... or at least 1/2 of the ipods sales from the time rockbox came out I recon so many more people would and will buy them now |
| 13:55:22 | ashridah | i still don't want an ipod |
| 13:55:38 | RoyalMike | because its apple? :) |
| 13:55:59 | Mikachu | i won mine |
| 13:56:03 | JdGordon | i dunno... the 30gb photo looks lice.. if i didnt have a h320 that is :D |
| 13:56:21 | JdGordon | linuxstb: so thats a no to that patch :p :'( |
| 13:56:26 | RoyalMike | cool winning things is always good |
| 13:56:35 | ashridah | RoyalMike: no, because they have shitty sound quality |
| 13:57:05 | RoyalMike | Wouldnt that only be dependant on the codecs and decoders etc? |
| 13:57:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I know nothing about that part of Rockbox, so I don't know if that patch is a good idea or not. |
| 13:57:39 | ashridah | RoyalMike: no, it has more to do with the inability of it to drive decent bass in normal earbud earphones. |
| 13:57:47 | JdGordon | :'( course it is.. dont u ever want to play a directory in shuffled moe without manually shuffling it after adding the dir? |
| 13:58:08 | RoyalMike | Ahh fair enough |
| 13:58:37 | Mikachu | is the splash screen delayed manually or does rb do stuff in the background while it's shown? |
| 13:58:50 | ashridah | RoyalMike: someone actually hooked them up to a frequency analyser (not that i can find the fricking link anymore |
| 13:59:09 | ashridah | apparently there's like one model out of all of them that has a decent output stage |
| 13:59:40 | * | t0mas wouldn't mind getting a free ipod... |
| 13:59:45 | t0mas | but paying for it.. no.. |
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| 14:00:22 | RoyalMike | Hmmm |
| 14:00:23 | ashridah | i'd sell it to someone with crappy hearing :) |
| 14:00:42 | RoyalMike | Theres no way to record to an ipod is there? |
| 14:00:43 | t0mas | ghehe, well I like the design of the nano... and with rockbox on it it might be a nice player |
| 14:00:53 | t0mas | but 2 gb isn't really much |
| 14:01:26 | RoyalMike | yeah ive only got one cuz its 60gig and because i bought it off my boss who wanted a video one so I got it brandnew in box for 160 woohoo |
| 14:01:29 | linuxstb | RoyalMike: Yes, the ipod has a line-in hidden in the Dock connector. It's not convenient (you have to make your own cable), but it is possible. |
| 14:01:31 | ashridah | t0mas: rockbox can't fix broken hardware :) |
| 14:01:33 | Mikachu | RoyalMike: not nano, but i think the others have |
| 14:02:07 | t0mas | ashridah: it's not that broken... |
| 14:02:08 | RoyalMike | Oerrrrrr |
| 14:02:17 | RoyalMike | Make your own cable? Hmmmm |
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| 14:02:32 | t0mas | normal 60gb ipod (4g?) sounds ok to me... for normal pop/rock music |
| 14:02:47 | jackinabox^ | have they released a passive FM transmitter for the H300 players yet? |
| 14:02:47 | RoyalMike | but theres no software or anything on there to record? |
| 14:02:55 | t0mas | but maybe you're right for classic... it's designed to sell to a lot of kids ;) |
| 14:02:55 | linuxstb | The ipod's DAC (and ADC) is also capable of 24-bit/96KHz. |
| 14:03:16 | t0mas | so great sound is possible? :) |
| 14:03:17 | linuxstb | Rockbox will. |
| 14:03:36 | RoyalMike | Cooool |
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| 14:05:13 | RoyalMike | <linuxstb> How do you mean theres a HIDDEN linein? how is it hidden? |
| 14:05:42 | Mikachu | i think it's two of the pins in the dock connector, not a 3.5mm jack |
| 14:05:52 | linuxstb | Yes - that's what I meant. |
| 14:06:24 | RoyalMike | Ahh... So you need a way of connecting a normal connector to the 2 pins? |
| 14:06:39 | linuxstb | Yes - hence the "make your own cable" bit. |
| 14:06:59 | RoyalMike | gotcha.....maybe one of you guys can make them sell them and make your fortune :) |
| 14:07:04 | linuxstb | No-one seems to sell suitable cables commercially |
| 14:07:27 | RoyalMike | cuz ppl like me would have NO idea how to make a cabl |
| 14:08:28 | linuxstb | I've bought a "pocket dock" which is a tiny adapter to give line-out and firewire ports on the ipod. I hope to be able to modify the line-out to become a line-in. I can then try and add recording support to Rockbox. |
| 14:10:29 | RoyalMike | Very nice |
| 14:11:04 | RoyalMike | Do you think there will be a way also in the future to be able to hook the ipod straight to another usb device and brows/transfer directly between them? |
| 14:11:32 | ashridah | depends if the other device is a USB Host. |
| 14:12:00 | linuxstb | The ipod has USB host |
| 14:12:10 | Mikachu | nano too? |
| 14:12:11 | ashridah | if the ipods use a usb-storage-on-a-chip like the iriver units do, then the answer is no, since the ipod won't be able to access or command the disk when connected |
| 14:12:14 | ashridah | aah |
| 14:12:33 | linuxstb | No, the usb-mass-storage mode is done in software (afaik). |
| 14:12:35 | Mikachu | would be awesome if i could hack up gphoto to download my camera pics to it... my camera only has 16MB builtin memory |
| 14:12:49 | linuxstb | Don't apple already sell a camera connector? |
| 14:12:58 | Mikachu | no idea |
| 14:13:01 | JdGordon | Mikachu: there is a cable u can get for the ipod to do that... |
| 14:13:07 | Mikachu | the camera isn't usb mass storage anyway |
| 14:13:30 | RoyalMike | yeah im sure there is a camera connector but its quite limited....still should be able to change that a bit |
| 14:13:33 | ashridah | linuxstb: whoa, so someone's going to have to implement a usb stack for rockbox eventually |
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| 14:13:51 | * | ashridah hands the prospective person a cookie of cutzpah |
| 14:13:55 | RoyalMike | That would be verynice |
| 14:13:56 | ashridah | or however you spell that |
| 14:14:13 | JdGordon | haha |
| 14:14:22 | Mikachu | chutzpah is how they spell it in KoL |
| 14:14:46 | JdGordon | so u all watch the nanny? or am i not the only yid here? |
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| 14:15:05 | linuxstb | ashridah: Yes - the h300's got usb host as well. But firstly, the ipods will need a low-level usb driver, which isn't available in IPL yet. |
| 14:18:05 | ashridah | linuxstb: i meant a usb client driver, although i don't know how complicated it'd need to be, granted |
| 14:21:59 | linuxstb | ashridah: Yes, I know you meant the client drivers. But I'm saying that on the ipod, we don't have any documentation for the usb hardware. At least for the h300, there's a public datasheet. |
| 14:22:54 | RoyalMike | Seeya guys have a good weekend |
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| 14:27:39 | ashridah | aah |
| 14:28:36 | t0mas | linuxstb: It now keeps updating this one: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/ |
| 14:29:01 | t0mas | we only don't have the showlog.cgi script, so you can't view error's there |
| 14:29:08 | t0mas | *errors |
| 14:30:01 | t0mas | now we only need someone to commit something to test :) |
| 14:31:25 | ashridah | now that's a score :) |
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| 14:32:45 | t0mas | that's because non of the test build machines has X11 installed :) |
| 14:32:58 | t0mas | it are all servers... I assume all running w/o a display |
| 14:34:46 | linuxstb | t0mas: My "server" is my main workstation - it's running X. |
| 14:35:02 | t0mas | ah, but you don't have the x11 headers installed? |
| 14:35:10 | linuxstb | I should do. Let me test. |
| 14:35:18 | t0mas | ok, check if you can build a player sim |
| 14:35:32 | t0mas | (or ondio FM sim) |
| 14:36:24 | Mikachu | is the hold button on ipods hardware or does rockbox block the events on its own? |
| 14:36:30 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just built a player sim without problems. |
| 14:36:48 | t0mas | ok |
| 14:36:57 | t0mas | then we can change that when transferring to the main server |
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| 14:37:14 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I _think_ it's hardware. But preglow is the person who wrote the button driver. |
| 14:37:20 | Mikachu | okay |
| 14:37:29 | Mikachu | i also noticed i sometimes have to toggle it twice to get keys back working |
| 14:37:36 | Mikachu | which suggested it's software :) |
| 14:37:40 | t0mas | yeah |
| 14:37:43 | linuxstb | Which ipod? |
| 14:37:46 | Mikachu | nano |
| 14:37:52 | t0mas | it's software... and there is something with timing problem in it iirc |
| 14:37:55 | Mikachu | i was just thinking you could use it as a shift mode for games or something |
| 14:38:05 | linuxstb | Well, preglow has a Nano - he'll be able to tell you. |
| 14:38:13 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 14:47:42 | Mikachu | what am i doing wrong if i get Incompatible model? |
| 14:48:26 | Mikachu | ah, no PLUGIN_HEADER |
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| 14:50:25 | Mikachu | heh, that didn't quite fit on the screen, i see why it said only H300 :) |
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| 15:01:15 | * | t0mas is waiting for a cvs commit... get working everybody ;) |
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| 15:01:36 | Mikachu | anyone tried doom on nano? |
| 15:01:47 | linuxstb | I don't think it's working yet. |
| 15:01:52 | linuxstb | (on any ipod) |
| 15:01:58 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 15:55:38 | Mikachu | so, the text viewer doesn't like variable width fonts so much, or multibyte |
| 15:56:20 | linuxstb | All I know is that the text viewer expects the input file to be utf-8. |
| 15:56:37 | Mikachu | it shows the glyphs correctly, but it'll linebreak in the middle of a character |
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| 15:56:53 | linuxstb | Yes, I think that's been reported before. |
| 15:56:57 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 15:57:28 | Mikachu | so i turned off linebreaking but then when scrolling to the side, it still breaks in the middle of course :) |
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| 16:09:22 | t0mas | :D |
| 16:09:27 | t0mas | distributed beaten main :P |
| 16:09:28 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 16:09:31 | t0mas | http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/ |
| 16:09:37 | t0mas | only failing in X11 sims... |
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| 16:11:17 | Bger | t0mas the cvs diff links on your page .. point ot your page |
| 16:11:35 | t0mas | hm? |
| 16:11:59 | t0mas | the error logs are not working at all, because we don't have that script... it's on the main server |
| 16:12:00 | XavierGr | Oh hi Bger |
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| 16:12:11 | Bger | XavierGr hi |
| 16:12:17 | t0mas | so it's reporting a 404 in the style of my personal website |
| 16:12:22 | linuxstb | t0mas: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/cvsmod/chlog-2006-02-11%2015:00:41.html |
| 16:12:22 | Bger | yep |
| 16:12:44 | t0mas | linuxstb: that one is ok here? |
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| 16:12:48 | t0mas | just missing the rockbox style? |
| 16:12:51 | linuxstb | That page works (but no css), but it links to viewcvs.cgi on your server, not rockbox.org. |
| 16:12:55 | Bger | XavierGr didn't have time today |
| 16:13:01 | linuxstb | But it's not important.... |
| 16:13:11 | t0mas | linuxstb: oooh, that's what you mean |
| 16:13:16 | t0mas | it's just the main servers scripts |
| 16:13:20 | XavierGr | ok okay I didn't ask, take your time :) |
| 16:13:29 | t0mas | so the only thing I changed was the stylesheet on the main page |
| 16:13:30 | t0mas | to check |
| 16:13:49 | Bger | i had a "hard" night ...:) waked up 1 hour ago ... |
| 16:13:58 | XavierGr | hahah me too |
| 16:14:07 | XavierGr | Did you have fun? |
| 16:14:16 | Bger | so-so :) |
| 16:14:25 | XavierGr | good to hear! |
| 16:14:37 | XavierGr | (so-so os good right?) |
| 16:14:58 | Bger | and i'll go out after 2-3 hours again |
| 16:15:31 | Bger | if some things didn't happen it would be called almost perfect, but ... |
| 16:15:47 | XavierGr | sh*t happens... :( |
| 16:15:54 | Bger | yep |
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| 16:34:58 | XavierGr | Wow playback is SDL sim stutters like hell... |
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| 17:03:37 | jaebird | linuxstb: I sent you another m4a file |
| 17:06:07 | XavierGr | kvergetakis@gmail.com |
| 17:06:17 | XavierGr | oops |
| 17:06:21 | XavierGr | wrong window |
| 17:06:27 | Bger | spam comes :) |
| 17:06:28 | XavierGr | god! |
| 17:06:45 | XavierGr | This is not my email at least ROFLMAO |
| 17:07:18 | linuxstb | jaebird: Yes, I received it, thanks. I haven't had a chance to see if I can fix Rockbox to play it though. |
| 17:07:24 | muesli__ | *spambotsearch* |
| 17:07:26 | muesli__ | :DDD |
| 17:08:01 | XavierGr | poor kostas my friend..... |
| 17:08:06 | XavierGr | I will not tell him though |
| 17:08:24 | XavierGr | It was a very idiotic thing to do. |
| 17:08:45 | * | safetydan curses 565 swapped displays |
| 17:09:08 | Bger | XavierGr :)) |
| 17:09:13 | preglow | safetydan: sim? |
| 17:09:15 | safetydan | yeah |
| 17:09:22 | preglow | goodie |
| 17:09:28 | safetydan | SDL has nice functions to map the lcd buffer |
| 17:09:40 | safetydan | except it doesn't seem to handle 565 swapped |
| 17:09:48 | preglow | would be surprising if it did |
| 17:09:58 | linuxstb | Can SDL handle the greyscale LCDs like that? Or the remotes? |
| 17:10:01 | jaebird | linuxstb: does the ipod color show the same lcd artifacts as the non color...i noticed them in the sim as well |
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| 17:10:21 | safetydan | linuxstb, that's the other problem, no surface less than 8-bits |
| 17:10:21 | linuxstb | jaebird: It shouldn't. What artifacts do you mean? |
| 17:10:41 | preglow | safetydan: no, it only supports really common stuff |
| 17:10:42 | linuxstb | safetydan: Then you can't really blame the byte-swapped 565. Most Rockbox formats won't work. |
| 17:10:43 | preglow | so don't depend on it |
| 17:10:53 | jaebird | hard to describe, kinda like tiny little serifs on things like the battery indicator |
| 17:11:09 | preglow | jaebird: you don't like our new serif generator? |
| 17:11:22 | jaebird | ? hehe |
| 17:11:30 | * | preglow nudges jaebird |
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| 17:11:35 | preglow | joking around |
| 17:11:38 | preglow | gotta hit the shops, later |
| 17:11:42 | safetydan | linuxstb, yeah I know, but it was so nice and elegant until I realised I had to deal with 565 swapped |
| 17:11:50 | jaebird | maybe it is a theme thing |
| 17:13:26 | linuxstb | safetydan: You could still do it for those supported formats - and fall back on the current method for everything else. |
| 17:13:49 | linuxstb | But isn't the H300 sim a mixture of rgb565 and the mono remote? |
| 17:14:05 | safetydan | yes it is |
| 17:14:14 | linuxstb | So it won't work there either? |
| 17:14:14 | safetydan | but that's two seperate drawing paths in the sim at the moment |
| 17:14:26 | safetydan | no |
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| 17:14:40 | linuxstb | So the only sim it will work on is the iPod VIdeo :) |
| 17:15:18 | safetydan | well... yeah :) |
| 17:15:52 | linuxstb | Any luck with the audio? |
| 17:16:03 | safetydan | got sidetracked with the surface stuff |
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| 17:21:42 | jaebird | linuxstb: ok I can describe it...little vertical line after the time and squished last letters on some rows in the file browser |
| 17:24:31 | linuxstb | This is on the Photo/Color sim? |
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| 17:25:53 | jaebird | no on the grayscale pod and grayscale sim |
| 17:26:03 | webguest91 | safetydan, what are the min and max values for 'Q', some guy says he can insert a value of 0.1, which it accepts |
| 17:27:02 | linuxstb | jaebird: OK, I misunderstood then. Yes - the sim and the real target will have identical bugs in the lcd display code. |
| 17:28:25 | jaebird | which is really cool...they are the same :) |
| 17:28:52 | jaebird | my question is whether the color had the same bugs? |
| 17:29:06 | linuxstb | No, the color is perfect :) |
| 17:29:14 | jaebird | dang |
| 17:29:49 | jaebird | are these problems driver related? |
| 17:29:53 | linuxstb | Rockbox uses a single 16-bit colour LCD driver for all the colour targets - iPods and iriver H300. amiconn (who at the time owned neither) did the work to implement it. |
| 17:30:52 | linuxstb | There is the high-level drawing code which is shared amongst different targets with similar LCDs, and then the low-level drivers. |
| 17:30:58 | safetydan | webguest91, that shouldn't be possible through the menu or GUI |
| 17:31:12 | safetydan | webguest91, for config files there's no protection |
| 17:31:32 | linuxstb | The problem with the iPod grayscale is that it requires a new format of framebuffer, so the high-level drawing code has to be implemented again to work with it. |
| 17:31:38 | safetydan | webguest91, min for Q is 0.5 and max is 6.4 |
| 17:31:48 | safetydan | webguest91, though doing anything other 0.7 for the shelf filters is madness |
| 17:32:08 | webguest91 | safetydan, thats what we have told him, but he's adamant, it must have been through a cfg file then |
| 17:32:34 | Lear | safetydan: why madness? |
| 17:32:35 | jaebird | btw...the m4a skipping i was seeing must have been fixed with latest cvs...or the default rockbox theme is less cpu than the one i was using |
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| 17:33:19 | safetydan | Lear, I exagerate, but preglow has said it doesn't make sense to change the Q for those shelf filters |
| 17:33:33 | linuxstb | jaebird: Yes, a graphical WPS can be quite CPU intensive. |
| 17:34:11 | linuxstb | Also, if your WPS has a peakmeter, that will slow things down. |
| 17:34:26 | webguest91 | thanks for the info |
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| 17:34:47 | Lear | safetydan, well good to know at least. :) |
| 17:35:08 | Mikachu | seeking doesn't work in flac? |
| 17:35:27 | Lear | maybe the option should be removed then? |
| 17:35:38 | Mikachu | when i try it just restarts the song |
| 17:36:10 | Lear | mikachu: flac seeking should work if the file has a seek table. |
| 17:36:39 | Lear | some encoders create one, other's dont. Easy to add if missing, or so I've heard. |
| 17:36:45 | Mikachu | okay |
| 17:37:05 | safetydan | Lear, well, it doesn't make sense to change it, but people do what they will and sometimes they like the results even if they don't make sense |
| 17:37:37 | Lear | Yeah, like that "warm" sound from the resampler... :) |
| 17:37:58 | safetydan | I loved preglow's answer to that |
| 17:40:10 | Mikachu | −−seekpoint? |
| 17:40:22 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Use "metaflac" to add seekpoints. |
| 17:40:51 | linuxstb | e.g. "metaflac −−add-seekpoint=3s *.flac" |
| 17:41:03 | Mikachu | thanks |
| 17:41:20 | linuxstb | Most flac files have enough padding at the start that you can add seekpoints even every 1s without changing their size. |
| 17:41:36 | linuxstb | Did you use dbpoweramp to create them? |
| 17:41:52 | Mikachu | i didn't create them |
| 17:42:11 | Mikachu | asking for a friend |
| 17:42:29 | linuxstb | OK... Well, metaflac will fix them. |
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| 17:49:03 | leftright | safteydan, did you have a look at the cfg files inability to switch the EQ on or off ? |
| 17:49:20 | safetydan | not yet |
| 17:50:42 | safetydan | ha |
| 17:50:45 | safetydan | just looked at it then |
| 17:50:49 | safetydan | very easy to fix |
| 17:51:01 | safetydan | everyone will have to edit their config files though |
| 17:51:15 | leftright | that was quick |
| 17:52:25 | safetydan | change the "eq enabled: yes" to "eq enabled: on" |
| 17:52:30 | safetydan | I think |
| 17:52:32 | safetydan | let me verify |
| 17:53:04 | leftright | and off is no, or off |
| 17:53:32 | safetydan | off |
| 17:56:35 | safetydan | Yeah that looks like it. The "Save EQ Settings" thing was writing "yes" instead of "on" which won't work |
| 17:56:37 | * | safetydan fixes |
| 17:57:52 | * | leftright gives safetydan a 'cold one' |
| 17:58:04 | safetydan | chees |
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| 17:58:11 | safetydan | cheers even |
| 17:58:16 | leftright | :) |
| 17:58:19 | safetydan | Should have looked earlier. It was obvious as soon as I did. |
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| 18:01:34 | leftright | would it be possible to set the low and high Q deafualts to .7 while you're at it |
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| 18:02:37 | leftright | or whatever is reccomended by you and preglow |
| 18:02:38 | safetydan | leftright, they are aren't they? |
| 18:02:50 | Mindship-03 | Would it be hard to do pitch-detection in Rockbox? |
| 18:02:59 | safetydan | Or do you mean force them to be? |
| 18:03:09 | leftright | yes that |
| 18:03:50 | safetydan | ah |
| 18:04:06 | safetydan | I asked preglow about that, he seemed to think that we should let people tweak them if they want |
| 18:04:15 | safetydan | just need to document that it makes almost no sense to change them |
| 18:04:26 | leftright | yes, better to leave it as a option methinks |
| 18:05:10 | leftright | but if the defaults are .7 thats ok, just a memory jogger |
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| 18:13:39 | leftright | thanks safetydan |
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| 18:14:52 | mirak | hi |
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| 18:22:34 | Mindship-03 | Would it be hard to do pitch-detection in Rockbox? |
| 18:23:20 | webguest52 | umm, hardeep, aparently you are now doing the shebb's playlist patch, is that true ? |
| 18:23:49 | hardeep | er, i said i'd look at it |
| 18:23:56 | hardeep | don't know what you mean by "doing" |
| 18:24:07 | webguest52 | ==looking :) |
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| 18:24:58 | webguest52 | Linus is aparently almost happy with it, but shebb couldn't get some minor detail right |
| 18:25:27 | hardeep | yeah, i'll take a look |
| 18:25:33 | hardeep | i like the idea behind the patch |
| 18:25:34 | webguest52 | ta |
| 18:26:10 | webguest52 | yes it's a great idea, will add great functionality |
| 18:27:12 | webguest52 | thanks for looking hardeep |
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| 18:28:51 | Mikachu | what's pitch detection? |
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| 19:12:39 | Kyle_ | I cant compile... cygwin... apperantly arm-elf-gcc wasnt found in my PATH and I followed the directions to the letter. |
| 19:13:43 | ender` | where did you install gcc? |
| 19:14:19 | Kyle_ | The cygwin installer did it... but cygwin installed at C:\cygwin |
| 19:15:55 | Kyle_ | I even used the Rockbox mirror |
| 19:16:09 | Kyle_ | I selected every package and it installed |
| 19:17:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you have cygwin set to download packages only, or to download and install? |
| 19:18:20 | Kyle_ | in C:\cygwin\usr\src theres a gcc-testsuite-3.4.4.rar |
| 19:18:30 | Kyle_ | Download and install |
| 19:18:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, you're on windows. Can you do a find-file for arm-elf-gcc.exe? |
| 19:19:02 | Kyle_ | yeah sure. hold on |
| 19:19:41 | Kyle_ | its searching now |
| 19:19:48 | Kyle_ | Aha... here it is |
| 19:20:15 | Kyle_ | arm-elf-gcc.exe is in C:\cygwin\opt\arm\bin |
| 19:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, open up the file .bash_profile in C:\cygwin\home\username\ where username is whatever you picked. |
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| 19:20:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | And add this line at the bottom: PATH=${PATH}:/opt/arm/bin |
| 19:21:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then rerun cygwin and try again. |
| 19:21:50 | Kyle_ | there is none |
| 19:22:06 | Kyle_ | All thats there is the rockbox source code i put there |
| 19:22:16 | Kyle_ | and a .texmf directory |
| 19:23:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm fairly certain cygwin creates on by default. Are you looking there with windows explorer, or in cygwin? |
| 19:23:22 | Kyle_ | both |
| 19:24:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | And in C:\Cygwin\Home\whatever\ there's no .bash_profile file? Hrm. |
| 19:24:20 | Kyle_ | Aha! I seached for them |
| 19:24:26 | Kyle_ | And theres two |
| 19:24:52 | Kyle_ | one is in C:\cygwin\etc\skel |
| 19:25:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other C:\cygwin\etc\defaults\etc\skel? |
| 19:25:18 | Kyle_ | other is C:\cygwin\etc\defaults\etc\skel |
| 19:25:22 | Kyle_ | Yeah |
| 19:25:26 | Kyle_ | edit both? |
| 19:25:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 19:25:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Copy one of those to your username folder |
| 19:25:36 | linuxstb | Do you have a c:\cygwin\etc\profile ? |
| 19:25:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then add the line to it there. |
| 19:26:31 | Kyle_ | linuxstb:yes i do |
| 19:26:48 | mirak | join #gentoo |
| 19:26:53 | mirak | sorry |
| 19:26:59 | linuxstb | There will be a "PATH = ..." line in there - add /opt/arm/bin to that. |
| 19:27:01 | mirak | hi |
| 19:27:23 | mirak | I use bootloader v3 since some time. Is it worth using the V5 for H300 ? |
| 19:27:27 | Kyle_ | to both that and .bah_profile? |
| 19:27:34 | Kyle_ | mirak: yes |
| 19:27:37 | linuxstb | Kyle_: No, it only needs to be done in one place. |
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| 19:27:50 | Kyle_ | oh ok |
| 19:27:59 | mirak | Kyle_: do you have a prebuilt one ? |
| 19:28:14 | Kyle_ | its on the IriverBoot page |
| 19:28:17 | Kyle_ | in the wiki |
| 19:29:07 | mirak | I got a usb bewcam, and was wondering if it would be ever possible to plug it to usb host |
| 19:29:10 | mirak | would be fun |
| 19:29:19 | mirak | webcam |
| 19:29:26 | Kyle_ | I found the $PATH |
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| 19:29:32 | Kyle_ | on it theres: |
| 19:29:43 | Kyle_ | PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH |
| 19:30:07 | Kyle_ | so where do I add that line? At the end of $PATH? |
| 19:31:01 | linuxstb | It doesn't matter. Just do PATH=/opt/arm/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH |
| 19:31:19 | Kyle_ | Ok |
| 19:32:44 | Kyle_ | It works |
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| 19:33:08 | Kyle_ | :) thanks |
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| 19:36:28 | Kyle_ | now when i make I get make[1]: *** No rule to make target '../fonts/rockbox_default.bdf', needed by '/home/Kyl3/build/firmware/sysfont.o'. Stop. |
| 19:36:43 | Kyle_ | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 19:37:39 | linuxstb | That means you don't have a "fonts" directory. How did you download the Rockbox source? |
| 19:37:51 | Kyle_ | daily builds page |
| 19:37:54 | Kyle_ | ill try cvs |
| 19:38:35 | mirak | Kyle_: I am not sure what it brings in plus |
| 19:38:36 | linuxstb | Yes, CVS is better. Make sure you specify the "rockbox-devel" download, and not plain "rockbox". i.e. cvs -d:...etc... co rockbox-devel |
| 19:38:39 | mirak | the v5 |
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| 19:39:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Does rockbox-devel include the manual now, or is that still separate? |
| 19:39:21 | linuxstb | Good question. I don't know. |
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| 19:41:48 | Kyle_ | I did co rockbox-devel... how is that better? just asking? |
| 19:42:33 | linuxstb | It contains more files, but I forget which.... |
| 19:42:39 | Kyle_ | ah |
| 19:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | uisimulator, bootloader... |
| 19:43:08 | Kyle_ | Manual isnt seperate anymore |
| 19:43:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm pretty sure "rockbox" only gives you the bare essential files needed to create a rockbox.zip, whereas rockbox-devel is supposed to be everything |
| 19:44:07 | Kyle_ | yeah its got normal, manual, devel, bootloader... and the rest in the choises. |
| 19:44:14 | Kyle_ | Compiles fine now |
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| 19:46:20 | linuxstb | Kyle_: Which ipod do you have? |
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| 19:46:59 | Kyle_ | I dont have one |
| 19:47:03 | Kyle_ | I have an h300 |
| 19:47:51 | linuxstb | Why were you asking about arm-elf-gcc? |
| 19:48:40 | Kyle_ | Because my sister has a nano so just for kicks I was going to compile it for her... but I couldnt compile the h300 build ethier. |
| 19:49:04 | linuxstb | OK. |
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| 19:50:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you don't need to compile to install on Nano any more. There is a daily and bleeding edge, now. :) |
| 19:51:25 | Kyle_ | You need to compile the bootloader though, dont you? |
| 19:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 19:51:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's got the bootloader, and binaries for the utils you need. :) |
| 19:52:17 | Kyle_ | oh |
| 19:54:55 | Kyle_ | Hey is there anyway I can copy and paste the cvs code in the Cygwin window? |
| 19:55:00 | Kyle_ | Doesnt let me |
| 19:55:25 | linuxstb | Click on the icon in the top-left of the window, then Edit.. then Mark... |
| 19:55:34 | linuxstb | (I think...) |
| 19:55:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's it |
| 19:55:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you highlight what you want to copy and hit enter. |
| 19:55:59 | Kyle_ | thanks |
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| 19:56:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you don't hit enter, it doesn't actually copy it. |
| 19:56:34 | Kyle_ | oh |
| 19:57:00 | Kyle_ | I copied it... how do I paste it in the cygwin window |
| 19:57:06 | Kyle_ | irs usually right click |
| 19:57:07 | Kyle_ | but |
| 19:57:15 | Kyle_ | doesnt work |
| 19:57:21 | * | preglow summons ep0ch |
| 19:57:26 | Kyle_ | oh wait... duh |
| 19:57:35 | mikearthur | will setting the recording location to "current directory" set it to the current directory when you selected that option, or whatever the current directory is before entering the recording menu? |
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| 19:59:38 | Kyle_ | oh and.. the manual is a choise to config but you need to do co rockbox-all to get it |
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| 20:00:16 | preglow | well, if we really want developers to update it when they do new features, then i think it should come with rockbox-devevlk |
| 20:00:21 | preglow | rockbox-devel too! |
| 20:00:43 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what devevlk includes. |
| 20:00:57 | preglow | nevermind that, it's secret |
| 20:01:09 | preglow | your box will implode if you check out anything from that one |
| 20:01:19 | preglow | and then catch fire |
| 20:01:37 | Kyle_ | theres some pics of Im guessing linus and another dev stacking old archos players |
| 20:01:40 | Kyle_ | :P |
| 20:01:58 | linuxstb | I've just discovered "rockbox" is "apps docs firmware fonts tools wps |
| 20:01:58 | linuxstb | " and "rockbox-devel" adds bootloader, flash, gdb and uisimulator |
| 20:02:19 | linuxstb | So now I know. |
| 20:02:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Devel really should also include manual if there's to be any hope of people updating it themselves. |
| 20:03:02 | linuxstb | I don't really care - it's not hard to type "cvs co manual". |
| 20:04:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | True |
| 20:05:09 | Kyle_ | rockbox-all soesnt have manual apperantly ethier |
| 20:05:15 | Kyle_ | doesnt* |
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| 20:20:06 | preglow | i wonder how much overhead the gui and everything is |
| 20:20:13 | preglow | a lot of our codecs struggle quite badly on ipod |
| 20:20:41 | preglow | LinusN: did you start fiddling with the new directory scheme thing? |
| 20:22:19 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm sure it's significant. |
| 20:22:40 | LinusN | preglow: sort of |
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| 20:23:45 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm thinking of stealing some linux asm code for mem* and str* |
| 20:23:54 | linuxstb | Sounds good to me. |
| 20:24:24 | linuxstb | Have you looked for other sources though? |
| 20:24:31 | preglow | not at all |
| 20:25:25 | linuxstb | It's probably worth a quick google - I'm looking now. |
| 20:25:52 | preglow | guess that's true, arm is a pretty popular platform |
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| 20:35:28 | bluey | anyone think the panasonic hje70 are good_ |
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| 20:42:50 | preglow | haven't even heard of |
| 20:43:45 | linuxstb | I emailed the ffmpeg-devel mailing list this afternoon to ask if they could recommend any video codecs for Rockbox - the answer was mpeg1 in AVI, or maybe something even older than that. |
| 20:44:29 | preglow | did you also ask them if something was happening on the aac front? :> |
| 20:44:38 | linuxstb | :) |
| 20:45:45 | preglow | if they did an aac codec, i'd happily port it to fixed point |
| 20:46:15 | preglow | i think i'm starting to get good enough with fixed point to do something like that now |
| 20:46:40 | linuxstb | Don't fancy WMA then? :) |
| 20:47:28 | preglow | hmm, there's always that |
| 20:48:11 | preglow | as always, might be worth it for the excercise |
| 20:48:18 | preglow | fix spelling errors at your leisure |
| 20:48:28 | linuxstb | Nah, I understand.. |
| 20:53:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you ported WMA you'd make hundreds+ of people that aren't me quite happy. |
| 20:53:49 | preglow | yeah, another ego boost |
| 20:54:20 | preglow | but no, it'd be wonderful exercise |
| 20:55:11 | linuxstb | WMA on iPod would grab some headlines.... |
| 20:55:19 | muesli__ | lol |
| 20:55:26 | preglow | oh well |
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| 20:55:34 | preglow | if i do decide to look at it, it won't happen for several weeks yet |
| 20:55:34 | muesli__ | and even .rm! |
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| 20:56:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe WMA on iPod isn't such a good idea. Isn't that supposed to be one of the warning signs for the Apocalypse? |
| 20:56:32 | linuxstb | preglow: I would be happy to try and extract it from ffmpeg and write a Rockbox codec. I think I've got a half-done version somewhere already. |
| 20:56:35 | tucoz | preglow, what about dumb? hehe, that would be cool. |
| 20:56:48 | preglow | the first rider of the apocalyple is called Wmaonipod in hebrew |
| 20:56:58 | tucoz | a zillion new fileformats supported |
| 20:57:28 | preglow | tucoz: the problem with that is that it requires significant hacking to the playback system |
| 20:57:33 | preglow | i'm not that big a man yet |
| 20:57:40 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds wonderful |
| 20:58:09 | tucoz | lostlogic seem to have no fear in that area. Maybe he's tough enough for the job. |
| 20:58:31 | preglow | he is, no doubt |
| 20:58:50 | preglow | what he's done already seems to be wonderful |
| 20:59:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | But first someone would have to come up with a way to mix buffering of the different categories of files, right? |
| 20:59:59 | preglow | the entire problem, if you ask me, and i am of course right in this matter, is that we need a way to make each codec load its own files |
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| 21:00:02 | preglow | :-) |
| 21:00:24 | tucoz | But, as a start the libdumb could be a viewer (or are the codecs viewers as well?). Not have it in the playback system. |
| 21:00:41 | midgey34 | preglow: the author how posted the half-done WMA codec posted a new version a while back |
| 21:00:41 | preglow | tucoz: yeah, true enough |
| 21:00:43 | midgey34 | http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2123&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&sid=54b9fed92b5eb01134399240a9bc0d94 |
| 21:00:50 | midgey34 | if you're interested of course |
| 21:01:00 | preglow | midgey34: i completely forgot about him |
| 21:02:42 | linuxstb | IIRC, it was a lot less than half-done. But it could be a better starting point than ffmpeg. |
| 21:03:03 | preglow | yeah, i'd bet |
| 21:03:09 | midgey34 | oh, there's still lots of work |
| 21:03:26 | midgey34 | you could also email the author who did the fixed point conversion |
| 21:03:55 | midgey34 | dtaubert on the Roku forums |
| 21:04:10 | linuxstb | Wasn't there also the ffmpeg dev who was talking about integerising his Realaudio Cook decoder and WMA? |
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| 21:06:33 | preglow | would be nice :> |
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| 21:07:08 | linuxstb | BTW, has hell frozen over? Rockbox is running on the iPod, and we're discussing porting WMA.... |
| 21:07:27 | preglow | no, but i believe there was some talk of the apocalypse |
| 21:07:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | The End Times, I tell you! |
| 21:07:33 | preglow | which i think is altogether more likely |
| 21:09:02 | ep0ch | preglow: do i still need to be summoned? |
| 21:09:41 | preglow | ep0ch: yeah, you compared some rockbox codecs with what foobar spat out, yes? |
| 21:09:48 | ep0ch | preglow: yup |
| 21:09:55 | preglow | ep0ch: and i think i remember you did a comparison for musepack too |
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| 21:10:22 | ep0ch | preglow: yes i think so |
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| 21:10:32 | preglow | remember if you found the output was identical? |
| 21:10:39 | tucoz | linuxstb, I think what you said sums up pretty much what rockbox is about. Make good hardware run good software. The unlimitness of the project. Make the impossible possible. |
| 21:10:43 | ep0ch | preglow: all codecs seemed to give a good output expect mad |
| 21:10:48 | preglow | 'cause we have a bug in musepack code now, and i'm just wondering if it's mine or theirs |
| 21:10:50 | ep0ch | except |
| 21:10:53 | preglow | ok, so i can actually assume it's mine |
| 21:11:01 | preglow | the first and last samples of a musepack track are wrong |
| 21:11:08 | ep0ch | ohhh |
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| 21:11:26 | preglow | which somewhat destroys gapless playback |
| 21:11:35 | ep0ch | i'll run the tests again |
| 21:11:54 | preglow | no biggie |
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| 21:12:10 | ep0ch | yeah probably do it tomorrow |
| 21:12:20 | preglow | david bryant already did so for musepack |
| 21:12:27 | preglow | and found the first and last samples to be broken |
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| 21:18:21 | Musicmad | hi guys - I'm working on original iriver style directory browsing, can somebody confirm that I should look in tree.c .) |
| 21:18:25 | Musicmad | :) |
| 21:18:39 | preglow | what kind of browsing would that be? |
| 21:19:32 | Musicmad | when cursor hits bottom of the screen it jumps to the top of the screen amd continues. |
| 21:19:34 | Musicmad | if that makes sense. |
| 21:19:41 | Musicmad | much better for the slow iriver screen. |
| 21:19:47 | Musicmad | imho |
| 21:20:37 | preglow | well, that sounds like another setting... |
| 21:20:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, basically, pagedown upon reaching the bottom of the page. |
| 21:20:51 | Musicmad | Paul_The_Nerd: yes. |
| 21:21:03 | preglow | ahh, like that |
| 21:21:10 | preglow | yeah, that might be better |
| 21:21:24 | Musicmad | preglow: yes - it's a low better I think. |
| 21:22:00 | Musicmad | it's probably an easy change too (but will take me a while since I know zero c. But I'll pick it up. |
| 21:22:13 | preglow | should be easy, yes |
| 21:23:11 | Musicmad | hopefully yes. |
| 21:24:11 | Mikachu | what interval does the wheel on ipods have in button.c? |
| 21:24:45 | Musicmad | preglow: I should look in tree.c right :) |
| 21:25:00 | preglow | Musicmad: perhaps? i'm surprisingly ignorant when it comes to most of rockbox |
| 21:25:22 | Musicmad | heh yes - that's a surprise. But thanks anyway :) |
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| 21:28:45 | Pi | Bad news: My player is compleatly unresponsive/bricked |
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| 21:29:39 | preglow | freedom2disconnect.net |
| 21:30:01 | linuxstb | A great ISP.... |
| 21:30:10 | preglow | i can see |
| 21:30:14 | preglow | we've got those here as well |
| 21:30:34 | preglow | persistent connections? fuck off! |
| 21:30:48 | preglow | all we're supposed to do is browse the web anyway |
| 21:35:21 | Mikachu | can you set the backlight to different brightnesses on the nano? the apple firmware fades it out... i don't want fadeouts but maybe to not turn on full brightness to save some battery |
| 21:35:34 | Mikachu | grammar of the day |
| 21:35:51 | preglow | haha |
| 21:36:02 | preglow | can the apple firmware control the brightness? |
| 21:36:04 | preglow | news to me |
| 21:36:16 | Mikachu | not control, but it fades out instead of just going blip |
| 21:36:25 | preglow | ahh, yeah |
| 21:36:31 | preglow | that'll come when i code support for the timer.c module |
| 21:36:35 | Mikachu | which suggests you can control th ebrightness |
| 21:36:47 | Mikachu | say i wanted to hardcode halfbright, where would i do it? |
| 21:36:51 | preglow | rockbox supports it for iriver |
| 21:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hear the 1gb Nanos have a dimmer backlight hardware-wise. |
| 21:37:05 | preglow | you would do so in backlight.c, but you can't yet |
| 21:37:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least, people say it appears dimmer. |
| 21:37:14 | Mikachu | 1? there are only 2 and 4 iirc |
| 21:37:26 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: oh, i was worried they'd changed the hardware |
| 21:37:28 | Mikachu | #elif CONFIG_BACKLIGHT == BL_IPOD4G |
| 21:37:29 | Mikachu | /* brightness full */ |
| 21:37:29 | Mikachu | outl(0x80000000 | (0xff << 16), 0x7000a010); |
| 21:37:33 | Mikachu | could i change that number? |
| 21:37:38 | preglow | Mikachu: i don't know... |
| 21:37:42 | Mikachu | i'll give it a shot |
| 21:37:45 | preglow | sure |
| 21:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: They just released the 1gb. |
| 21:37:47 | preglow | nothing'll be hurt |
| 21:37:54 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: ah |
| 21:37:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Preglow: Well, I've just read mention of it appearing dimmer, the article was very vague. |
| 21:37:58 | preglow | just change the 0xff part |
| 21:38:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, any difference means the potential for more differences. =/ |
| 21:38:13 | Mikachu | yeah, i figured the others are adresses or something |
| 21:38:39 | Mikachu | why does it take so long to shut down? |
| 21:38:41 | preglow | correct |
| 21:38:45 | preglow | Mikachu: no idea |
| 21:40:31 | Mikachu | when i plug in the cable you just reboot without that shutting down stuff... |
| 21:40:53 | preglow | yes, and that might not be a very clean reboot... |
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| 21:41:07 | Mikachu | hm |
| 21:41:21 | Mikachu | that disk mode works worse than the one from the apple firmware |
| 21:41:27 | preglow | what? |
| 21:41:31 | preglow | we don't have a disk mode |
| 21:41:34 | preglow | that is apple's disk mode |
| 21:41:37 | Mikachu | i mean the monochrome one |
| 21:41:42 | preglow | riiight |
| 21:41:43 | Mikachu | the color one works a lot better |
| 21:41:43 | preglow | yes, it does |
| 21:41:44 | preglow | it's slower |
| 21:41:45 | josh_ | Mikachu: that's Apple's failsafe disk mode. |
| 21:41:57 | preglow | it's pretty much meant to work no matter what |
| 21:41:58 | josh_ | it's slower and less colorful, but it works even if the HD is zeroed out. |
| 21:41:59 | preglow | so i guess it's cool |
| 21:42:22 | Mikachu | yeah okay |
| 21:42:33 | Mikachu | so maybe i wasn't patient enough, i thought it crashed :) |
| 21:42:46 | Mikachu | it takes less than a second in full mode to copy the rockbox binary |
| 21:42:55 | preglow | yup |
| 21:42:57 | preglow | it's heaps faster |
| 21:43:26 | linuxstb | Yes, reboot on usb should do a clean shutdown - but it doesn't. |
| 21:44:04 | Mikachu | hm, if i change the backlight code, do i want to recompile the bootloader or rockbox? |
| 21:44:13 | linuxstb | Just Rockbox. |
| 21:44:21 | Mikachu | then it isn't working with the number :) |
| 21:44:29 | preglow | what happens? |
| 21:44:32 | preglow | and what did you put there? |
| 21:44:39 | Mikachu | i tried 8f and 1f, same brightness |
| 21:44:50 | preglow | is that so |
| 21:44:52 | preglow | what about 00 ? |
| 21:46:03 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Do you have a Nano? |
| 21:46:15 | Mikachu | still full |
| 21:46:17 | preglow | if he's just pretending all this time, i'll be surprised |
| 21:46:17 | Mikachu | linuxstb: yeah |
| 21:46:20 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 21:46:24 | linuxstb | Then you're changing the wrong code... |
| 21:46:45 | linuxstb | Look about 3 lines down in backlight.c |
| 21:46:46 | Mikachu | oh right, i confused BL_IPOD4G and the keypad stuff which uses 4G |
| 21:46:51 | Mikachu | heh, i'm stupid |
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| 21:58:19 | Musicmad | does anybody know in which file directory/file browsing resides :) |
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| 22:03:06 | Mikachu | preglow: i commented out a few lines in shutdown_hw and it went a lot faster, i think it hanged somewhere and the 8 second timeout got it |
| 22:03:20 | Mikachu | preglow: sorry if you're the wrong person for this but i'm not sure which people here are devs :) |
| 22:03:47 | Bagder | Musicmad: apps/tree.c |
| 22:04:12 | Mikachu | preglow: ata_flush through mp3_shutdown, afai understand those things aren't present on the nano anyway |
| 22:04:39 | Bagder | "those things" being? |
| 22:04:49 | Mikachu | ata and mp3 decoder |
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| 22:05:07 | Bagder | both ATA and mp3 decoder is indeed in the nano model too |
| 22:05:32 | Mikachu | surely not a hardware mp3 decoder? |
| 22:05:36 | Bagder | nopes |
| 22:05:55 | Bagder | the playback code is different for the ones with hw decoder |
| 22:06:58 | Musicmad | thanks Bagder: trying to make it do a pagedown when it hits the button, so maybe had a look at tree.c to with no luck. I'm currently investigating list.c instead. Makes sense? |
| 22:07:06 | Musicmad | button = bottom. |
| 22:08:05 | Mikachu | well, i'll narrow it down to one of those lines first |
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| 22:11:25 | Mikachu | not so surprisingly it was the while loop |
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| 22:17:13 | Mikachu | i think the problem is ata.c never sets sleeping = true for the ipod, so it always spins in the loop |
| 22:17:29 | Mikachu | i would almost say i'm sure that's why since setting sleeping = true fixes it |
| 22:21:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | You mean the while(ata_disk_is_active()) loop? |
| 22:21:28 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 22:21:37 | Mikachu | ata_disk_is_active returns !sleeping |
| 22:21:48 | Mikachu | and sleeping is set inside #ifndef ipodnano |
| 22:22:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, because sleeping it on Nano caused it to stop responding until you rebooted. |
| 22:22:37 | Mikachu | well, you should still fix the variable so it doesn't spin in the loop |
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| 22:24:30 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:24:37 | SereRoKR | what's status on iPod Video Rockbox? ;) |
| 22:24:44 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: Would setting sleeping=true for the Nano (without actually sleeping) inside ata_perform_sleep() work? |
| 22:24:45 | preglow | SereRoKR: it's a-ok, but no sound |
| 22:25:01 | SereRoKR | yeah that's good, better than iPodLinux :> |
| 22:25:57 | preglow | of course we are! |
| 22:26:17 | SereRoKR | lol yey |
| 22:26:27 | SereRoKR | will the Gameboy emulator work on iPod? |
| 22:26:39 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: it seemed to work |
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| 22:26:54 | Mikachu | SereRoKR: i had no luck |
| 22:27:13 | Bagder | Mikachu: what happened? |
| 22:27:16 | SereRoKR | would be cool if it would work ;> |
| 22:27:28 | Mikachu | it shut down in 1 second instead of waiting 8 seconds |
| 22:27:44 | Mikachu | (the one set in sys_poweroff) |
| 22:28:04 | Bagder | I meant when you tried rockboy |
| 22:28:08 | Mikachu | oh |
| 22:28:09 | Mikachu | sorry :) |
| 22:28:13 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:28:15 | Mikachu | well, the emu started but no game |
| 22:28:19 | Mikachu | i could go to the menu and exit fine |
| 22:28:33 | Mikachu | and when i say ipod i still mean ipod nano |
| 22:28:35 | Bagder | weird |
| 22:29:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano doesn't work with Rockboy yet, if I recall. It assumes that if you have a color screen, it can display at full resolution for the games, which isn't true on Nano |
| 22:29:42 | linuxstb_ | Yes, someone needs to write the code to downscale the Gameboy's display to fit on the Nano's screen. |
| 22:29:52 | Mikachu | it didn't compile by default, i just changed the makefile to test it |
| 22:29:57 | Mikachu | which is why i didn't complain |
| 22:29:59 | linuxstb_ | Also, only the four direction keys and "start" are mapped to keys on the ipod. |
| 22:30:08 | Bagder | ah, righy. its a resolution difference |
| 22:30:31 | Mikachu | is it only gb or also gbc? |
| 22:30:42 | linuxstb_ | It's both - it's a port of gnuboy |
| 22:31:28 | SereRoKR | wiill it work on Video iPod? ^^ |
| 22:31:40 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I think it does. |
| 22:31:50 | * | linuxstb_ checks.... |
| 22:32:01 | preglow | gvc |
| 22:32:02 | preglow | gbc <- |
| 22:32:10 | preglow | gnuboy by default, is only gbc |
| 22:32:20 | preglow | that's why we still have display problems on games that use gbc features |
| 22:32:25 | Musicmad | does anybody knows why it says this when I try to build an 1X0 sim: /bin/ld: skipping incompatible /rockbox/build/libbitmapsnative.a when searching |
| 22:32:25 | Musicmad | for -lbitmapsnative |
| 22:32:27 | linuxstb_ | SereRoKR: No, it doesn't work. The LCD display is wrong. |
| 22:32:33 | preglow | but the colour code has been ripped out in rockboy |
| 22:32:42 | linuxstb_ | I thought that was back in now? |
| 22:32:46 | Mikachu | won't you want to rip it back in sooner or later? |
| 22:32:54 | SereRoKR | linuxstb_ what means that the LCD display is wrong? |
| 22:32:59 | preglow | Mikachu: perhaps... |
| 22:33:15 | Mikachu | not that i'd use it a lot, i have a gba :) |
| 22:33:19 | preglow | hahaha |
| 22:33:29 | preglow | i tried to persuade a friend of mine to code on rockboy the other day |
| 22:33:32 | preglow | he too had a gba... |
| 22:33:35 | Mikachu | but you know, it's still cool :) |
| 22:33:47 | preglow | a nice pink one |
| 22:33:54 | linuxstb_ | SereRoKR: I mean that the display is wrong.... I'm about to try to fix it though. |
| 22:34:03 | Mikachu | mine is black with lots of dust inside the screen from when i installed a backlight |
| 22:34:13 | preglow | ahh, this is a newer one |
| 22:34:21 | Mikachu | maybe a gba sp then |
| 22:34:25 | SereRoKR | ok linuxstb_ :> |
| 22:34:29 | preglow | it's one of those foldable ones |
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| 22:35:11 | Mikachu | i hope the apple firmware won't be sad if i rmdir Contacts and Calendars |
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| 22:35:30 | preglow | Mikachu: i've wiped everything |
| 22:35:40 | preglow | Mikachu: it still smiles, even though i know it doesn't mean it |
| 22:35:46 | preglow | Mikachu: and i have to select language all the time now |
| 22:35:46 | Mikachu | heh |
| 22:35:51 | SereRoKR | what's the current stat on Sound on Video? ;> |
| 22:35:56 | preglow | SereRoKR: 0% |
| 22:35:59 | Mikachu | i think i can spare the 50 kB used for settings etc |
| 22:36:02 | SereRoKR | that suxx ^^ |
| 22:36:04 | preglow | SereRoKR: and it doesn't look good |
| 22:36:32 | SereRoKR | why? :/ |
| 22:36:48 | preglow | because it's a lot of work |
| 22:37:01 | preglow | we have to reverse engineer the apple firmware to see how it works |
| 22:37:10 | SereRoKR | how did you get it work on nano? |
| 22:37:17 | preglow | and that's 1. really, really boring, 2. difficult, 3. time consuming |
| 22:37:20 | preglow | SereRoKR: ipodlinux |
| 22:37:26 | preglow | SereRoKR: we just borrowed their code |
| 22:37:31 | SereRoKR | lol :> |
| 22:37:37 | SereRoKR | how did they get it work so fast |
| 22:37:42 | preglow | it wasn't fast |
| 22:37:53 | linuxstb_ | The Nano sound is identical to the 4Gs |
| 22:37:58 | SereRoKR | oh |
| 22:38:01 | preglow | ahh, like that |
| 22:38:11 | linuxstb_ | So the existing code just worked when Apple released the Nano. |
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| 22:38:28 | SereRoKR | yep |
| 22:38:38 | linuxstb_ | But the existing code doesn't work on the Video. That's about all anyone knows at the moment about it. |
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| 22:39:04 | SereRoKR | so you have to disassemble the Apple Firmware? |
| 22:39:09 | preglow | yes |
| 22:39:11 | linuxstb_ | Someone has to.... |
| 22:39:19 | SereRoKR | yeah |
| 22:39:24 | preglow | probably is going to be us, the way it looks now |
| 22:39:27 | preglow | ipodlinux people doesn't seem to care about it |
| 22:39:28 | josh_ | SereRoKR: which is *very difficult* |
| 22:39:30 | SereRoKR | no-one wants to right? |
| 22:39:33 | josh_ | preglow: not true :-) |
| 22:39:34 | preglow | and we've been piggybacking on their code so far |
| 22:39:34 | linuxstb_ | Or maybe physically disassembling an ipod would help as well. |
| 22:39:40 | preglow | josh_: |
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| 22:39:45 | preglow | josh_: so you've got someone on it? :> |
| 22:39:54 | josh_ | preglow: yes. me and aegray are both working on it. |
| 22:39:59 | preglow | josh_: cool |
| 22:40:03 | preglow | josh_: didn't know that |
| 22:40:04 | SereRoKR | nice o.O |
| 22:40:06 | josh_ | it's just very slow going |
| 22:40:10 | preglow | josh_: i can imagine |
| 22:40:15 | SereRoKR | what kernel does rockbox use? |
| 22:40:15 | linuxstb_ | Any clues yet about how it works? |
| 22:40:18 | josh_ | we've isolated some of the BCM-calling functions, but we don't really know how they're used yet. |
| 22:40:38 | linuxstb_ | So is audio definitely only possible via the BCM? |
| 22:40:41 | Bagder | SereRoKR: the Rockbox kernel ! |
| 22:40:47 | SereRoKR | nice :> |
| 22:41:03 | Bagder | very small |
| 22:41:14 | SereRoKR | lol ok |
| 22:41:26 | preglow | hell yes |
| 22:41:29 | preglow | you can't get much smaller |
| 22:41:33 | preglow | which is why we rule! |
| 22:41:35 | preglow | \o/ |
| 22:41:42 | preglow | yes, small is good here |
| 22:42:34 | SereRoKR | hm i think rockbox more rulez than iPodLinux :> |
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| 22:42:46 | preglow | of course we do |
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| 22:43:13 | preglow | but yeah, to be fair, we do different things |
| 22:43:27 | linuxstb_ | SereRoKR: It seems that only "full-screen" mode is broken in Rockbox on the 5G. It works in normal mode. |
| 22:43:39 | SereRoKR | yep but i think the target is the same -.- |
| 22:43:58 | SereRoKR | you both want to create a firmware replacement |
| 22:44:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's hardly the same, since one is designed with a focus on music playing, and the other multi-purpose utility. |
| 22:45:05 | SereRoKR | yey but music playing is more important -.- |
| 22:45:12 | linuxstb_ | SereRoKR: I meant Rockboy..... |
| 22:45:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's like comparing a small swiss army knife with a bowie knife. Yeah, the target of both is to "cut things" but you'll notice both still have their places. :) |
| 22:45:24 | josh_ | 13:40 < linuxstb_> So is audio definitely only possible via the BCM? |
| 22:45:28 | josh_ | linuxstb_: that we don't know yet |
| 22:45:34 | SereRoKR | yep linuxstb_ thx ;> |
| 22:45:34 | josh_ | we're mainly trying to get a reasonable-speed LCD |
| 22:46:06 | SereRoKR | hm has Rockbox a better Power Management than iPL? |
| 22:46:18 | preglow | nah |
| 22:46:27 | preglow | but rockbox does less, so we might last a bit longer |
| 22:46:34 | SereRoKR | ;> |
| 22:47:08 | SereRoKR | there's nothing yet that could me bring back to iPL but the better Design of Podzilla 2^^ |
| 22:47:16 | linuxstb_ | josh_: The LCD speed on the 5G isn't a big issue in Rockbox. I'm playing Rockboy as we speak... |
| 22:47:30 | SereRoKR | on a 5G linuxstb_? |
| 22:48:02 | linuxstb_ | yes |
| 22:48:09 | josh_ | linuxstb_: what speed are you getting? |
| 22:48:11 | SereRoKR | so i should try it too ^^ |
| 22:48:12 | josh_ | (in FPS) |
| 22:48:17 | josh_ | and is Rockboy a GB emu? |
| 22:48:28 | SereRoKR | is it very hard to install rockbox? |
| 22:48:29 | Bagder | josh_: yes, its a gnuboy port |
| 22:48:40 | Mikachu | SereRoKR: easier than ipl |
| 22:48:46 | SereRoKR | really? |
| 22:48:52 | Mikachu | no fiddling with partitions |
| 22:48:59 | SereRoKR | i got windows |
| 22:49:00 | SereRoKR | ;) |
| 22:49:09 | SereRoKR | there's an iPL INstaller for windows |
| 22:49:09 | SereRoKR | ^^ |
| 22:49:11 | Mikachu | i have doors |
| 22:49:15 | Mikachu | :P |
| 22:49:28 | SereRoKR | i will change to Mac OS X in i think 2 weeks ;) |
| 22:50:02 | linuxstb_ | josh_: I don't understand the stats that Rockboy displays - it's telling me "FPS: 30 4" |
| 22:50:11 | linuxstb_ | But it's not 30 fps |
| 22:50:17 | SereRoKR | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation <- is that same for 5G? |
| 22:50:30 | linuxstb_ | I've done some tests with the Rockbox "starfield" plugin, and I think I got about 18fps |
| 22:50:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I *think* that means that the game is being played at 30fps, but it's being displayed with a frameskip of 4. |
| 22:51:13 | preglow | sounds logical |
| 22:51:23 | SereRoKR | For iPod Color/Photo users - bootloader-color.bin, for iPod 4G (Grayscale) users - bootloader-4g.bin and for iPod Nano users - bootloader-nano.bin <- eh which bootloader should i downoad for my iPod Video? |
| 22:51:34 | linuxstb_ | Sorrry, starfield was 14fps on the video, 33fps on my 4G color. |
| 22:51:55 | linuxstb_ | (and 36fps on the iriver H140) |
| 22:51:59 | preglow | 80fps on nano... |
| 22:52:08 | Bagder | gosh |
| 22:52:09 | josh_ | linuxstb_: does RB always update the whole LCD, or only the dirty part of it? |
| 22:52:13 | SereRoKR | need help :> |
| 22:52:25 | SereRoKR | which bootloader should i use for my 5G |
| 22:52:28 | linuxstb_ | Mostly only the dirty part I think. But starfield was doing full-screen updates. |
| 22:52:53 | josh_ | linuxstb_: I've timed it for full-screen updates, and it takes 120-140 ms. I don't see how that could work with 18 fps. |
| 22:52:55 | linuxstb_ | SereRoKR: You will need to improvise and use a combination of the IpodInstallation page and the IpodBoot page. |
| 22:53:06 | linuxstb_ | josh_: Install Rockbox and find out... |
| 22:53:06 | SereRoKR | wtf |
| 22:53:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do you get an FPS display in starfield? |
| 22:53:21 | preglow | patching |
| 22:53:22 | linuxstb_ | But I corrected myself - it was 14fps |
| 22:53:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 22:53:34 | josh_ | that's still about twice as much as I thought possible |
| 22:53:38 | linuxstb_ | I should still have the diff somewhere. |
| 22:53:48 | preglow | that should also be easily optimisable |
| 22:54:03 | linuxstb_ | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/starfield_fps.diff |
| 22:54:32 | SereRoKR | "combination of the IpodInstallation page and the IpodBoot page." <- does it mean that i only need to download the video Bootloader from Ipodboot page? |
| 22:55:05 | linuxstb_ | SereRoKR: Yes, download bootloader-video.bin from the IpodBoot page, but also read the instructions - there is an extra step not included on the main installation page. |
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| 22:55:29 | SereRoKR | which step |
| 22:55:30 | SereRoKR | ^^ |
| 22:56:26 | linuxstb_ | The step that starts "Ipod Video users also need to...." |
| 22:56:57 | SereRoKR | where do i have to do this step? |
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| 22:58:45 | Mikachu | hm, any idea which optimisation enabled by -O2 causes the build to fail? |
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| 22:59:10 | Mikachu | i'm not very hopeful someone will know, but this is the error |
| 22:59:22 | Mikachu | thread.c: relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against symbol `switch_thread' defined in .icode section in /home/mikaelh/code/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(thread.o) |
| 22:59:26 | Mikachu | /home/mikaelh/code/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(pcm_playback.o)(.icode+0xbc): In function `fiq': |
| 22:59:29 | Mikachu | pcm_playback.c: relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.text.dma_stop' |
| 22:59:54 | mirak | linuxstb: anyone tried on H300 ? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:04 | mirak | linuxstb: I mean the refreshrate |
| 23:00:05 | SereRoKR | iPod Video users also need to extract the Broadcom (video processor) firmware using the command: ../tools/ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin <- how can i do this with ipodpatcher.exe? |
| 23:00:21 | linuxstb | mirak: I don't think so. I think I asked at the time, and no-one was around. |
| 23:00:28 | linuxstb | SereRoKR: You don't - you use ipod_fw.exe |
| 23:00:36 | SereRoKR | how? |
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| 23:02:33 | SereRoKR | 1. i make this bootpartition.bin |
| 23:02:44 | linuxstb | Just type the command - "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin" |
| 23:02:59 | SereRoKR | then i do ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin? |
| 23:03:43 | linuxstb | Yes, plus the other line that creates "apple_os.bin" - Step 1d) |
| 23:04:22 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:04:27 | SereRoKR | did |
| 23:04:31 | SereRoKR | done |
| 23:04:32 | SereRoKR | ^^ |
| 23:04:51 | SereRoKR | now e) Create the new Rockbox-enabled image file containing the Rockbox Bootloader? |
| 23:05:17 | SereRoKR | or in Ipodboot Step 3? |
| 23:06:35 | linuxstb | Yes - either. |
| 23:06:39 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:07:29 | SereRoKR | NOTE: iPod Video users should use the option "-g 5g" and you will need a copy of the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file that you extracted in step 1 in the current directory when running ipod_fw <- does it use the "apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin" automatically |
| 23:07:30 | SereRoKR | ? |
| 23:07:41 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 23:07:45 | SereRoKR | good |
| 23:07:54 | SereRoKR | now just ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin? |
| 23:08:01 | SereRoKR | N = Number |
| 23:08:06 | SereRoKR | in my case 6 ;> |
| 23:08:10 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 23:08:27 | linuxstb | And make sure you keep a copy of bootpartition.bin - you can use that to uninstall. |
| 23:08:47 | linuxstb | i.e. just do ipodpatcher -w 6 bootpartition.bin in the future to restore the original firmware. |
| 23:09:37 | Mikachu | how come the boot partition is 40MB or so, but what you extract and write back is just 5MB? |
| 23:09:40 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:09:50 | SereRoKR | yey :> |
| 23:09:59 | SereRoKR | works |
| 23:10:01 | linuxstb | Mikachu: It's simply empty space. |
| 23:10:19 | Mikachu | it wasn't all nulls iirc, i looked at it |
| 23:10:20 | SereRoKR | :D THX ;) |
| 23:10:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:10:50 | linuxstb | But on the Nano and Video, the apple firmware has a "suspend-to-disk" mode where it writes the contents of RAM to the boot partition and then sleeps. |
| 23:10:54 | SereRoKR | which daily build should i use? |
| 23:10:59 | SereRoKR | color? Nano? |
| 23:11:02 | linuxstb | video |
| 23:11:08 | linuxstb | But there isn't a daily build for the video |
| 23:11:12 | SereRoKR | yes |
| 23:11:13 | Mikachu | linuxstb: isn't that bad if we've written something else there? |
| 23:11:27 | SereRoKR | what can i do now? |
| 23:11:31 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No - we write something in a good way. |
| 23:11:46 | kkurbjun | is there a document on the number of cycles each coldfire instruction takes? |
| 23:11:55 | Mikachu | i mean, won't apple overwrite our stuff then? |
| 23:12:11 | linuxstb | SereRoKR: Download it from here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip |
| 23:12:20 | SereRoKR | thx |
| 23:12:53 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No - we attach our bootloader to the Apple firmware image in the boot partition and adjust the length in the header to match. |
| 23:13:02 | SereRoKR | just extract to the iPod Root right? |
| 23:13:12 | Mikachu | linuxstb: o okay |
| 23:13:19 | linuxstb | Yes - unzip it directly to the root. |
| 23:13:20 | Mikachu | hm i think i found the flag |
| 23:13:43 | * | preglow vanishes |
| 23:15:03 | SereRoKR | works nice |
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| 23:16:07 | SereRoKR | so where can i get rockboy to test? ;) |
| 23:16:16 | linuxstb | You already have it. |
| 23:16:25 | SereRoKR | where? O.o |
| 23:16:28 | linuxstb | Just copy a .gb or .gbc file to your ipod and "play" it. |
| 23:16:47 | SereRoKR | oh ok ;> |
| 23:17:09 | Mikachu | hooray, it's -foptimize-sibling-calls |
| 23:17:12 | linuxstb | But the key mappings are a bit dodgy at the moment - I just did the very minimal work to get it working on the ipods. |
| 23:17:37 | SereRoKR | is there any bigger font? |
| 23:17:38 | SereRoKR | ^^ |
| 23:17:59 | Mikachu | something settings -> display -> browse fonts i think |
| 23:18:07 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:18:10 | SereRoKR | found :> |
| 23:18:24 | Mikachu | markun: don't forget to commit your 6+12 font |
| 23:19:04 | Mikachu | hooray, -Os made my rockbox.ipod 308K, it was 324K before :) |
| 23:19:10 | Mikachu | now to see if it works... |
| 23:21:05 | Mikachu | woop, it does |
| 23:21:09 | SereRoKR | now i need to get GB Roms o:o |
| 23:21:10 | SereRoKR | o.O |
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| 23:24:56 | SereRoKR | doesn't look good :o |
| 23:25:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | As in "it's not visually appealing?" |
| 23:25:52 | SereRoKR | its unclear ^^ |
| 23:26:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unclear? |
| 23:26:14 | Mikachu | blurry? too small? |
| 23:26:21 | SereRoKR | blurry ;> |
| 23:26:41 | SereRoKR | VERY Blurry |
| 23:26:41 | SereRoKR | ^^ |
| 23:27:17 | linuxstb | Is it just being displayed in the top half of the screen? |
| 23:27:30 | SereRoKR | yes |
| 23:27:38 | linuxstb | You need to toggle the fullscreen mode |
| 23:28:15 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:29:25 | SereRoKR | lol nice ;> |
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| 23:30:43 | SereRoKR | is it slow like this because of the LCD Drivers? |
| 23:31:05 | linuxstb | Yes, but also the emulator itself is quite slow. |
| 23:31:21 | linuxstb | No work at all has been done to optimise it for the ipods. |
| 23:32:20 | SereRoKR | ok ;> |
| 23:37:25 | SereRoKR | now do TV out Playing and Frontrow support and it's perfect xD |
| 23:38:31 | josh_ | ok, I've got rb running on the 5g. |
| 23:38:38 | SereRoKR | me too ^^ |
| 23:38:48 | josh_ | how do I get starfield up> |
| 23:38:50 | josh_ | *up? |
| 23:40:44 | Bagder | menu->browse plugins->startfield |
| 23:40:49 | josh_ | ok, cool. |
| 23:41:23 | josh_ | wow, that's really quite a tolerable speed. |
| 23:43:30 | linuxstb | Did you apply my "fps" patch? |
| 23:44:12 | josh_ | nope, I'm just eyeballing it. |
| 23:45:03 | josh_ | by doing a speed-scroll on the menu, I got 35 frames in 3 seconds on time, 40 frames in 4.5 seconds another time |
| 23:45:23 | josh_ | ("speed-scroll" = scroll for a while, release wheel - it keeps scrolling as fast as it can update the display) |
| 23:45:44 | linuxstb | If you want, the patch is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/starfield_fps.diff |
| 23:46:27 | Vertigo_tdl | josh_, do you know if there is a way to disable that? |
| 23:46:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you turn off the stars, will it basically just update the LCD as fast as possible? |
| 23:46:39 | Vertigo_tdl | it can get annoying |
| 23:46:49 | SereRoKR | i heard of doom for rockbox, is it playable on iPod 5G? |
| 23:47:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Rockbox Doom still has iPod issues at the moment. |
| 23:47:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | AFAIK, at least |
| 23:47:25 | josh_ | Vertigo_tdl: you can't, unless you get a more intelligent event model than one event per scroll - it will invariably lag on slow screens if you try to update the LCD at every scroll. |
| 23:47:38 | josh_ | iPL's Podzilla suffered from the same problem for a while. |
| 23:47:58 | Vertigo_tdl | ah ok |
| 23:48:11 | linuxstb | josh_: Are you using an old version of Rockbox? I think preglow "fixed" that problem by not queueing more than one scroll event at a time in Rockbox's button queue. |
| 23:48:23 | linuxstb | (by old I mean more than about 24 hours old...) |
| 23:48:44 | markun | Mikachu: hm, do you think I should replace the 6x13 font by the 6+12x13 font or just add it? |
| 23:48:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, preglow did fix it. Though it seems to have introduced a minor bug. |
| 23:48:55 | linuxstb | Which is what? |
| 23:49:07 | Mikachu | markun: i dunno, it has some problems in the viewer plugin but that's not really the fonts' fault |
| 23:49:18 | Mikachu | also, will it use more memory than the 6x13 one? |
| 23:49:20 | josh_ | linuxstb: I'm using the one you pasted a few minutes ago. |
| 23:49:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the backlight is off, I've noticed that if I hit play, or some other actually button, it doesn't always react and light up the backlight. But if I move my finger at all on the touchpad, then press the button, it's fine. |
| 23:49:24 | josh_ | 14:12 < linuxstb> SereRoKR: Download it from here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip |
| 23:49:42 | SereRoKR | is there doom? |
| 23:49:53 | markun | Mikachu: we have font caching. If the 6x13 font is too big for memory there will be no difference |
| 23:50:09 | Mikachu | okay, well either is fine by me |
| 23:50:10 | linuxstb | josh_: OK, then that's a day or two old. |
| 23:50:28 | josh_ | still, it provides a useful benchmark :-) |
| 23:50:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | SereRokR: No, Doom doesn't work on iPod yet. |
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| 23:50:53 | linuxstb | Yes - IMO, Rockbox would be usable on the 5g if we could get the audio working. |
| 23:50:54 | SereRoKR | oh :< |
| 23:51:08 | markun | Mikachu: about the viewer. I have a unfinished version of the viewer that was made for better unicode support and has codepage conversion, but I didn't have time for it for a long time |
| 23:51:22 | JdGordon | good morning all |
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| 23:52:18 | Mikachu | markun: okay, is it usable? |
| 23:52:28 | Mikachu | i want to look at lyrics that i have as textfiles.. |
| 23:53:48 | SereRoKR | how can i boot into apple os when iPod boots? O:o |
| 23:53:51 | XavierGr | God! I wish all those bloody WPSes would be saperate from the daily builds....... |
| 23:54:06 | muesli__ | XavierGr true |
| 23:54:10 | JdGordon | LinusN: hey, pretty please with a huge freeking cherry on top... https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429679&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 23:54:14 | Mikachu | SereRoKR: hold Menu |
| 23:54:26 | SereRoKR | O.o |
| 23:54:29 | XavierGr | Not only that when I "make zip" all these have to be zipped and then extract to the target. |
| 23:54:33 | XavierGr | Very tiresome |
| 23:54:50 | Bagder | XavierGr: rm -rf wps |
| 23:54:52 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:55:01 | midkay | SereRoKR, you need to turn it off, and then tap and then hold menu really quickly.. as quick as you can |
| 23:55:09 | SereRoKR | ok |
| 23:55:11 | SereRoKR | did ;> |
| 23:55:16 | SereRoKR | "Loading original firmware" |
| 23:55:16 | SereRoKR | ^^ |
| 23:55:30 | midkay | did it work? if you don't hold menu within like 1/2 a second it goes to rockbox, kind of annoying but i can live with it :) |
| 23:55:34 | Mikachu | midkay: hm, you have to release it after you turn it on? that would explain why it didn't work sometimes :) |
| 23:55:38 | XavierGr | Bagder: Thanks I will try that. Still the donwload problem remains. |
| 23:55:46 | midkay | Mikachu, yes, you can't just hold it :) |
| 23:55:50 | Mikachu | aaaahh |
| 23:55:51 | XavierGr | And don't forget that when I will update my CVS it will donwload the files again |
| 23:56:00 | Mikachu | XavierGr: vim CVS/Entries |
| 23:56:01 | midkay | has to be click-release-hold :) |
| 23:56:06 | Bagder | XavierGr: get a faster network or update less often |
| 23:56:15 | Mikachu | XavierGr: and remove the D/wps//// line |
| 23:56:28 | XavierGr | I will try that too, |
| 23:56:58 | Bagder | we don't change wpses much so the download issue is moot when you use cvs |
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