| 00:01:20 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: The midi patch seems to work. But: |
| 00:01:47 | XavierGr | Quality is very low. IMHO 44.100 kHz should be the end result. |
| 00:02:13 | XavierGr | On many of my midis I get "Buffer Missed" entry. (Though it continues) |
| 00:02:39 | XavierGr | Also midis that have many voices are not realtime. |
| 00:03:10 | XavierGr | It would be good to let the user change volume with up and down (instead quit) |
| 00:03:45 | XavierGr | And of course (IIRC) we can let the user choose the tempo. |
| 00:04:01 | Mikachu | it would be fun to set the pitch for normal audio files too |
| 00:04:19 | XavierGr | this is already done |
| 00:04:28 | XavierGr | hold paly + UP on WPS screen |
| 00:04:37 | Mikachu | what would that be on an ipod? |
| 00:05:32 | XavierGr | hmmm... I am not sure |
| 00:05:57 | midkay | select-spin wheel, i'd assume |
| 00:06:15 | midkay | or maybe it's not enabled yet.. |
| 00:06:33 | Mikachu | if you know the approximate place in the code i can check |
| 00:09:33 | linuxstb | It's not enabled yet - I think it's in apps/screens.c |
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| 00:09:49 | linuxstb | It's hopefully just a matter of linking the UI to the code. |
| 00:14:42 | Mikachu | is it a separate screen? |
| 00:16:57 | SereRoKR | i will go to bed now :> |
| 00:20:19 | SereRoKR | playin' with rockbox ^^ |
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| 00:37:09 | Mikachu | i got lost in a sea of ifdefs and gave up :) |
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| 00:49:51 | Musicmad | any devel in here? |
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| 00:54:54 | webguest90 | how do you get movies on rockbox? |
| 00:56:28 | JdGordon | u don |
| 00:56:30 | JdGordon | t |
| 00:56:43 | JdGordon | unless u have the archos model that supports it |
| 00:59:36 | Musicmad | is there an easy way to reset button repeat delay? |
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| 01:00:22 | Musicmad | have made a patch that jumps to a new page when the bottom is reached and I think it would work better if the button repeat is reset when it happens. |
| 01:02:21 | webguest90 | i do have the model that supports it, but i dont know how to convert to .rvf |
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| 01:05:31 | webguest90 | does anyone kknow how to convert avi to .rvf |
| 01:05:42 | Musicmad | apparently not :) |
| 01:05:51 | webguest90 | haha |
| 01:06:15 | Mikachu | did you check http://www.rockbox.org/docs/rvf.html ? |
| 01:06:28 | webguest90 | o no i didnt thanx |
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| 01:34:59 | Mikachu | i think the id3 (sic) viewer has the keybinds reversed on the nano, ccwise goes down, not up |
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| 01:36:35 | Xomphos | I have a quick question: I have installed the iPod Linux bootloader onto my iPod Nano and was wondering if I could just use that bootloader to load Rockbox along with Podzilla possibly? |
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| 01:42:55 | Mikachu | Xomphos: you can use the rockbox loader to load both rockbox and ipodlinux |
| 01:43:06 | Mikachu | Xomphos: just put your linux kernel in the fat32 root as linux.bin |
| 01:43:14 | Mikachu | Xomphos: and hold play during boot |
| 01:43:30 | josh_ | Xomphos: you can also use the iPodLinux bootloader to load both rockbox and ipodlinux :-) [loader2, http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2] |
| 01:43:34 | josh_ | but the standard one won't do that |
| 01:43:48 | Xomphos | so i install rockbox as normal and then after it is installed I just install the ipodlinux (podzilla) files? |
| 01:44:05 | Mikachu | you still need the separate partition, but you put the linux kernel on the fat partition |
| 01:44:41 | Xomphos | cool |
| 01:44:46 | Xomphos | looks like I am going to be trying that tonigh |
| 01:44:55 | Xomphos | Thanks a lot for your help! |
| 01:45:03 | Mikachu | so if you have ipl on already, just install rockbox normally and copy the kernel |
| 01:45:14 | Xomphos | ok |
| 01:45:16 | Xomphos | thanks |
| 01:45:20 | Xomphos | I am going to try that |
| 01:45:43 | Xomphos | Bye and thanks a lot for your help! :D |
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| 01:58:28 | XavierGr | HAHA LOL Funniest request I have ever heard!!!! |
| 01:58:39 | dpassen1 | ? |
| 01:58:54 | XavierGr | Someone on MR actually asked for a Googgle Earth Port!!!!!!!! |
| 01:59:11 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36909 |
| 01:59:21 | XavierGr | These guys are weird! |
| 01:59:49 | XavierGr | I mean who on earth would want google earth on a DAP. |
| 01:59:50 | dpassen1 | lol |
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| 02:07:39 | dpassen1 | They don't seem to understand Rockbox is a music player. |
| 02:08:37 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 02:11:45 | muesli__ | btw doom-lan via ust2go would rock ;) |
| 02:11:53 | muesli__ | usb2go |
| 02:12:50 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 02:13:14 | XavierGr | it isn't usb to go. |
| 02:13:18 | XavierGr | It is USB on the go |
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| 02:13:46 | godzirra | heya folks. |
| 02:14:03 | XavierGr | But I am not sure of the capabilities of USB OTG yet (except transferring files) |
| 02:14:06 | godzirra | Anyone have suggestions on a new mp3 player? I have an ipod and I'm not really happy with it because of stupid little shit like I can't charge it while listening to it. :( |
| 02:14:15 | XavierGr | I mean are you sure we can program it? |
| 02:14:33 | XavierGr | H340 if you can find one |
| 02:14:43 | Mikachu | godzirra: um, i'm pretty sure you can since i can |
| 02:14:45 | XavierGr | else an iAudio X5 |
| 02:15:39 | godzirra | Mikachu: through USB? |
| 02:16:13 | Mikachu | yeah, maybe it only works on nano? |
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| 02:16:19 | godzirra | Hrm. |
| 02:16:23 | Mikachu | you have to eject it first, or maybe it's called 'safe removal' in windows |
| 02:16:41 | linuxstb | Or just use Rockbox - hold MENU when you insert the USB cable. |
| 02:17:05 | Mikachu | i did that earlier, after a couple of minutes it went into disk mode anyway |
| 02:17:54 | linuxstb | That's the idle-timeout kicking in and making Rockbox shutdown. It then immediately wakes up again because the charger is inserted. It needs fixing...... |
| 02:18:06 | godzirra | You can put rockbox on an ipod now? |
| 02:18:07 | Mikachu | hm, yeah that must have been it, i wasn't playing music |
| 02:18:07 | linuxstb | But if you listen to music, it won't idle-timeout |
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| 02:18:15 | Mikachu | godzirra: yeah |
| 02:18:18 | godzirra | You can put rockbox on an ipod now? |
| 02:18:20 | godzirra | oops |
| 02:18:21 | godzirra | and it works? |
| 02:18:23 | godzirra | stupid laptop keyboard. |
| 02:18:23 | Mikachu | yes |
| 02:18:24 | XavierGr | godzirra: ofcourse I thought you knew that |
| 02:18:24 | linuxstb | godzirra: Do you know what channel you are on? |
| 02:18:45 | godzirra | I had it working on my iriver, but last I heard, it didnt work on the ipod :) |
| 02:18:54 | Mikachu | i think it's a rather recent development |
| 02:18:56 | godzirra | or it was still under serious serious beta anyway |
| 02:18:58 | linuxstb | We've had audio playback for a couple of weeks. |
| 02:18:59 | Mikachu | week or two? |
| 02:19:09 | godzirra | nice |
| 02:19:12 | DJDD___ | Hey, would any in interested in buying a half working H140? :P |
| 02:19:15 | godzirra | and it works well with the video and video playback too? |
| 02:19:17 | linuxstb | But it's been working for a few months, to some degree. |
| 02:19:29 | Vertigo_tdl | my iriver should charge no matter if i'm in rockbox or not yes? |
| 02:19:41 | linuxstb | No, there is no audio in Rockbox on the iPod Video. |
| 02:19:53 | godzirra | damnit. :() |
| 02:20:15 | XavierGr | DJDD___: half working? |
| 02:20:24 | XavierGr | godzirra: Where is your iriver? |
| 02:21:15 | DJDD___ | I fryed it when i put a nokia charger in it. The case is in mint condition and the HDD still works. Only issue is that the power supply on the mobo is fryed. |
| 02:21:25 | godzirra | Its sitting in my closet. |
| 02:21:53 | XavierGr | DJDD: Ouch! That is the worst thing you can get. |
| 02:22:01 | XavierGr | You can sell the HD at least |
| 02:22:14 | XavierGr | godzirra: What model? |
| 02:22:14 | DJDD___ | How much do ya think i'd get? |
| 02:22:18 | godzirra | H120 |
| 02:22:35 | XavierGr | and why don't you use it instead of the iPod? |
| 02:22:41 | XavierGr | Rockbox is sweet on that machine |
| 02:22:47 | godzirra | Because I wanted something smaller that I could fit in my pocket mostly. |
| 02:23:01 | godzirra | I loved rockbox on it, but wanted the smaller form factor, plus the nicer screen. |
| 02:23:16 | XavierGr | DJDD___: Not more than 100-150 I guess... but I am not sure about those things. Maybe you could repair it. |
| 02:23:27 | DJDD___ | A mate is gonna upgrade to a H340 and i'm gonna take his H140 and fix mine, just wondering what kind of return i could get. $100? $200? |
| 02:24:55 | godzirra | plus I dont really lke the H120's weird knobbie controls thing. |
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| 02:25:23 | XavierGr | godzirra: how smaller is the iPod anyway? I mean come on, 0.3 cm maybe? |
| 02:25:33 | godzirra | Than the h120 wth a case? |
| 02:25:38 | godzirra | like half the size almost in width. |
| 02:25:59 | XavierGr | what iPod do you have? |
| 02:26:27 | godzirra | the video |
| 02:26:30 | godzirra | 30g |
| 02:26:45 | XavierGr | do you have a cese on it? |
| 02:26:52 | godzirra | Yeah. A clear hard plastic one. |
| 02:27:00 | godzirra | its still a lot thinner. |
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| 02:27:40 | XavierGr | again the difference is quite trivial, though the 30 GB and the screen is a plus |
| 02:27:44 | XavierGr | But: |
| 02:27:56 | XavierGr | No radio, recording, optical in-out e.t.c |
| 02:27:59 | XavierGr | no remote |
| 02:28:02 | godzirra | Yeah, I like the screen, but the size difference isnt trivial for me. I can't fit the H120 in my pocket. I can fit the ipod. |
| 02:28:16 | godzirra | And I don't really use any of that stuff. I just play music. |
| 02:28:55 | XavierGr | You are lucky because maybe some day iPod video will play music with Rockbox. |
| 02:29:01 | DJDD___ | Xavier, forget it, he obviously has no use for anything other than the basic features, so theres really no point in him using an iRiver |
| 02:29:22 | XavierGr | If it wasn't the case I would consider you choise bad. (converting H100 to iPod video) |
| 02:29:26 | godzirra | I hope so. I loved rockbox. |
| 02:29:49 | DJDD___ | Is the rockbox team going to start work on the iPod video? |
| 02:30:09 | XavierGr | There are already IIRC... |
| 02:30:12 | XavierGr | ^They |
| 02:30:35 | DJDD___ | IIRC? |
| 02:30:42 | godzirra | if I recall correctly. |
| 02:30:48 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:30:51 | DJDD___ | Right, i always forget that one :P |
| 02:30:54 | godzirra | hehe |
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| 02:31:40 | DJDD___ | Well that sucks, i always thought this place was pretty anti-ipod |
| 02:32:02 | godzirra | No, thats aesome. |
| 02:32:04 | godzirra | awesome |
| 02:32:05 | godzirra | I love rockbox. |
| 02:32:49 | XavierGr | DJDD: Rockbox is the only thing that can turn an iPod to be a somewhat good DAP. |
| 02:33:05 | godzirra | Once you get used to it I like the menu setup. |
| 02:33:14 | godzirra | and the bells and whistles from the other dap's don't realy do it for me. |
| 02:33:14 | DJDD___ | Maybe, but i loose bragging rights about rockbox. Its like my major argument every time some idiot comes up to tell me iPod own everything |
| 02:33:18 | XavierGr | IMHO they are uggly and far to featureless for me |
| 02:33:27 | godzirra | I dont believe ipod owns everything... I just like the navigation system :) |
| 02:33:36 | godzirra | I do miss my rockbxothough |
| 02:33:40 | godzirra | stupid laptop keyboard. |
| 02:33:49 | XavierGr | I couldn't have a DAP without Rockbox. |
| 02:33:59 | DJDD___ | I'm not saying iPods are crap, their good, its as simple as that. But i just hate how every man and his child has one |
| 02:34:14 | Mikachu | i won mine so don't hate me |
| 02:34:26 | DJDD___ | and their talked up so much when really there are much better DAPs |
| 02:34:30 | XavierGr | Rockbox people don't count |
| 02:34:37 | Mikachu | phew |
| 02:34:47 | XavierGr | It is as Linus said. |
| 02:35:13 | XavierGr | iPod people (except those that wish to run rockbox) chose an iPod because they don't care about features. |
| 02:35:21 | godzirra | I would love to run rockbox. |
| 02:35:32 | godzirra | and will the second playback works for the video :) |
| 02:35:33 | XavierGr | They care mostly about a trend, appearance and that kind of stuff. |
| 02:35:44 | DJDD___ | Exactly |
| 02:35:47 | jaebird | i originally got my ipod to run IPL |
| 02:35:51 | godzirra | IPL? |
| 02:35:56 | Mikachu | ipodlinux! |
| 02:35:59 | godzirra | ahh |
| 02:36:07 | jaebird | but i'm a rockbox convert now |
| 02:36:10 | godzirra | I got mine because I didnt do enough research online and I'm too big of a fan of instant gratification |
| 02:36:18 | DJDD___ | I reccomend an iPod to people all the time over an iRiver. Theres no point in them getting one if they don't want the advanced features |
| 02:36:29 | jaebird | IPL had ogg support ages ago in 'unsupported' |
| 02:36:38 | godzirra | so why is the iAudio X5 so good? I'm reading it and its about the same size and looks prtty nice. |
| 02:36:49 | jaebird | i want to listen to music...rockbox has done that for me! |
| 02:37:44 | jaebird | IPL seems to be a project about doing cool stuff to the ipod...not necessarily focusing on what most people want...a dap |
| 02:37:45 | godzirra | I'm not really comfortable buying a used H340 online. :/ |
| 02:38:17 | XavierGr | I bought a new one just 2 weeks ago. But :( |
| 02:38:37 | jaebird | 5 |
| 02:38:38 | jaebird | g |
| 02:38:40 | jaebird | ! |
| 02:38:45 | XavierGr | The USB OTG function wasn't working, so I send it back. |
| 02:38:49 | godzirra | ick |
| 02:38:53 | XavierGr | I will have it in my habds on monday. |
| 02:39:15 | XavierGr | ^hands |
| 02:39:27 | jaebird | nano? |
| 02:39:57 | godzirra | So rockbox on the ipod video is a definite thing? |
| 02:40:03 | godzirra | or still in the "maybe possible" category? |
| 02:41:05 | Mikachu | nanoo nanoo! |
| 02:41:08 | jaebird | how many people _really_ want video on a 2 inch screen? honest..how many? |
| 02:41:43 | DJDD___ | Its better than no video at all... |
| 02:41:48 | jaebird | for me it might be a neat gadget, like being able to play doom on an ipod |
| 02:41:53 | godzirra | I dont. I didnt buy it for that. I bought it because it was a nice screen and it was smaller than my old one a lot. *shrug* |
| 02:42:07 | jaebird | but i still want to have the best audio capabilities, that is my 2c |
| 02:42:11 | godzirra | So does anyone know the answer to my question about how far away it is for the 5g? |
| 02:43:01 | jaebird | look at the track record for rockbox... |
| 02:43:27 | jaebird | things move pretty fast...i have a 4g grayscale |
| 02:43:33 | godzirra | where at? |
| 02:43:39 | jaebird | last week it didn't work with rockbox |
| 02:43:40 | godzirra | I'm at the site, trying to find it. |
| 02:43:47 | godzirra | nice |
| 02:43:59 | jaebird | i'm not saying there is an actual 'track record' :) |
| 02:44:14 | jaebird | what i'm saying is that things have moved pretty swiftly |
| 02:44:20 | godzirra | heh |
| 02:44:24 | godzirra | I found a page talking about it though. |
| 02:44:50 | jaebird | i know there are a few kinks for the 5g but it'll happen |
| 02:44:55 | godzirra | so how does it work on the nano? |
| 02:45:01 | godzirra | I assume you arent required to use itunes anymore? |
| 02:45:07 | jaebird | NOOOO :) |
| 02:45:17 | godzirra | woo |
| 02:45:20 | godzirra | god thats awesome. |
| 02:45:23 | jaebird | i love that about it |
| 02:45:27 | linuxstb | You are forced to not use it... |
| 02:45:30 | godzirra | Can you if you want to? (Because you're a masochist or someting)? |
| 02:45:31 | godzirra | ok |
| 02:45:31 | jaebird | I drop my folders on my pod and go |
| 02:45:35 | godzirra | sweet |
| 02:45:41 | godzirra | how does the scroll menu thingie work? |
| 02:46:00 | jaebird | it works |
| 02:46:05 | godzirra | same as on the ipod firmware? |
| 02:46:07 | godzirra | kickass. |
| 02:46:12 | godzirra | So whats different? |
| 02:46:21 | jaebird | the layout is all different |
| 02:46:42 | jaebird | the menus don't swoosh, but it never looked that good in gray |
| 02:46:56 | godzirra | Eh, I dont care about swooshing menus. |
| 02:46:58 | jaebird | is there a user's guide somewhere yet? |
| 02:47:02 | jaebird | anybody |
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| 02:47:19 | godzirra | man... now I'm excited about getting rockbox on my ipod. |
| 02:47:21 | Mikachu | the swooshing menus look more like staggering menus when playing songs on apple firmware... |
| 02:47:30 | jaebird | if you find the screen shots on the site, you can get an idea of how it looks |
| 02:47:50 | jaebird | but you can make your own theme too (i have not done that yet) |
| 02:48:18 | Mikachu | i want someone to make an awesome wps for nano using the 6x13 size font :) |
| 02:48:57 | jaebird | yeah, a couple of UI artist types could really make it look slick |
| 02:49:17 | godzirra | God thats awesome.. I so can't wait. |
| 02:49:27 | godzirra | I wonder how long before they have audio playback on the ipod. |
| 02:49:32 | godzirra | jaebird: does your nano still display cover art? |
| 02:49:34 | Mikachu | video? |
| 02:49:38 | godzirra | yeah. |
| 02:49:41 | godzirra | sorry... on the 5g. |
| 02:49:52 | jaebird | i don't have a nano, im a 4g guy |
| 02:50:04 | Mikachu | i'm confused, isn't nano also a 4g? |
| 02:50:10 | jaebird | i don't think there is any cover art support yet |
| 02:50:15 | godzirra | ahh ok. |
| 02:50:21 | Mikachu | you can view jpegs in b/w but that stops audio playback :P |
| 02:50:28 | jaebird | but some of the WPS while-playing-screen |
| 02:50:43 | jaebird | show so much more than cover art...like what is next up etc |
| 02:50:49 | godzirra | Yeah, I miss that |
| 02:50:52 | godzirra | I had a rockbox enabled iriver. |
| 02:51:24 | jaebird | cover art is a marketing thing... eh? |
| 02:51:39 | godzirra | Yeah, but I think its kinda cool anyways |
| 02:51:40 | Mikachu | who sits and looks at the cover art while listening to music? |
| 02:51:44 | * | godzirra is a sucker for shiny stuff. |
| 02:51:45 | jaebird | but somebody will probably do it...amazon.com |
| 02:51:51 | godzirra | I dont, but I do glance at my ipod sometimes and its kinda cool. |
| 02:51:58 | godzirra | I'll still install rockbox without it =) |
| 02:52:02 | godzirra | the features far outweigh cover art :p |
| 02:52:15 | Mikachu | it can use a custom .bmp as a background image |
| 02:52:19 | jaebird | i use banshee for PC playback...so it is a natural fit |
| 02:52:22 | Mikachu | so maybe it could just show the cover art as background |
| 02:52:35 | Mikachu | but it might make the text hard to read for some images :) |
| 02:52:42 | godzirra | prolly. |
| 02:52:51 | godzirra | I know the rockbox on my iriver could use bmp's in the wps file. |
| 02:52:57 | godzirra | maybe you'll be able to do that on the new ipod videos. |
| 02:53:06 | Mikachu | works on nano too |
| 02:53:07 | godzirra | and you can set it to display the cover art in a small box or something |
| 02:53:54 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 02:53:54 | XavierGr | [03:50] Mikachu: you can view jpegs in b/w but that stops audio playback. I have written a patch that will enable Jpeg viewing while listening to music. (if th eJPEG is smaller that ~480kB) And also allows to press up or down to change pictures in the same folder. |
| 02:53:57 | Mikachu | eek |
| 02:54:06 | godzirra | Wow... I couldnt read that at all. |
| 02:54:08 | Mikachu | try not to paste in color |
| 02:54:17 | godzirra | Yeah.. some of us don't use mirc =) |
| 02:54:22 | godzirra | So I saw a bunch of black lines. |
| 02:54:36 | XavierGr | oops sorry, my idiot client did this. |
| 02:54:54 | Mikachu | fortunately i have a transparent terminal and not a black one :) |
| 02:54:55 | XavierGr | so you didn't saw anything? |
| 02:54:57 | jmg | is rockbox atm using its own kernel? |
| 02:55:11 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:55:20 | Mikachu | XavierGr: sure, does it do scaling the same as the stock jpeg viewer? |
| 02:55:44 | jmg | how easy is it to migrate from a vendor kernel tree to rockbox kernel? |
| 02:55:46 | ashridah | jmg: rockbox has always used its own kernel. the only interaction with the firmware of other manufacturers is typically to insert some boot code to chainboot rockbox |
| 02:55:47 | godzirra | Nah.. I'm using putty in windows at the moment. |
| 02:56:01 | Mikachu | jmg: a what vendor? rockbox is not a linux kernel |
| 02:56:03 | godzirra | XavierGr: so no, I didnt see anyhthing you pasted =) |
| 02:56:12 | jmg | i seee |
| 02:56:21 | ashridah | jmg: on which platform are we talking about here? |
| 02:56:33 | Mikachu | XavierGr: where do you keep this jpeg viewer? |
| 02:56:52 | ashridah | rockbox is a firmware for various archos, iriver, ipod and iaudio mp3 players |
| 02:57:08 | jmg | Mikachu: any environment where the vendor has only done his bare obligation under opengl and disclosed source for the linux kernel used to build the firmware binary |
| 02:57:35 | jmg | ashridah: im talking about the archos pma400, but i dont think rockbox really fits there |
| 02:57:35 | Mikachu | i have never heard anyone call the gpl "opengl" before |
| 02:57:50 | jmg | i started saying open source but thought gpl |
| 02:57:54 | jmg | fingers lagged |
| 02:57:55 | jmg | :) |
| 02:58:03 | XavierGr | no I didn't changed the scaling routine |
| 02:58:07 | ashridah | jmg: ah. rockbox is not based on linux. |
| 02:58:14 | ashridah | but it is GPL |
| 02:58:16 | Mikachu | XavierGr: isn't the up/down used to scroll then? |
| 02:58:18 | jmg | ashridah: i thought it was a distribution |
| 02:58:24 | jmg | ashridah: never mind |
| 02:58:26 | jmg | :) |
| 02:58:33 | ashridah | jmg: you may be thinking of ipod linux |
| 02:58:36 | Mikachu | rockbox has nothing to do with linux at all, except they stole some things from ipodlinux |
| 02:58:37 | jaebird | jmg: your not confusing it with ipodlinux |
| 02:58:44 | ashridah | that's a basic linux distribution |
| 02:58:45 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Only if it is a very big pic. If the pic is zoomed tou can change pic with PLAY or REC |
| 02:59:00 | jmg | ashridah: pma400 is a qtopia device |
| 02:59:13 | jmg | ashridah: i was confusing rockbox with openzaurus |
| 02:59:17 | XavierGr | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1266294 |
| 02:59:20 | ashridah | heh |
| 02:59:52 | jmg | almost no information about developing for it, probably because it was so expensive |
| 02:59:53 | jmg | lmfao |
| 02:59:58 | Mikachu | XavierGr: ipods don't have a record button.. :) |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:23 | XavierGr | well there are various buttons for each Target that will do the same |
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| 03:00:30 | Mikachu | i'll check it out |
| 03:00:34 | jmg | XavierGr: what dsps does rockbox support? |
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| 03:00:49 | XavierGr | dsps? |
| 03:01:04 | jmg | platforms? |
| 03:01:15 | jaebird | rockbox.org |
| 03:01:22 | XavierGr | Some archos models |
| 03:01:26 | XavierGr | iriver H100/H300 |
| 03:01:47 | godzirra | it was an -awesome- upgrade for my h120. |
| 03:01:47 | XavierGr | iPod 4g b/w, 4g colour and nano |
| 03:01:57 | XavierGr | iAudio X5 is under way |
| 03:02:10 | XavierGr | and maybe ifp-709 later. |
| 03:02:33 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 03:02:43 | XavierGr | look to the end to see exact targets |
| 03:02:53 | Mikachu | XavierGr: hm, do i have to recompile all plugins because of the changed plugin api? |
| 03:03:11 | jmg | ah |
| 03:03:11 | XavierGr | not all |
| 03:03:19 | jmg | no documentation on reprogramming the dsp |
| 03:03:26 | XavierGr | but if you compile it will automatically update them |
| 03:03:45 | jmg | kind of like the a400 which has dsps for decoding mpeg4 video |
| 03:03:49 | jmg | pma400* |
| 03:04:08 | Mikachu | i meant i'll have to recopy everything, not recompile :) |
| 03:04:10 | jmg | and in arm mode doesnt have enough cpu to decode ogg on the fly |
| 03:04:43 | XavierGr | Mikachu: old plugins will still work |
| 03:04:43 | jmg | is there any project to reverse engineer the mas? |
| 03:04:51 | jmg | mas dsp |
| 03:05:03 | XavierGr | you just need the new binary firmware file and the compiled new plugin jpeg.rock |
| 03:05:12 | Mikachu | okay |
| 03:05:25 | Mikachu | and searchengine? |
| 03:05:37 | Mikachu | or is that included in the rockbox.ipod file? |
| 03:06:18 | Mikachu | okay, BUTTON_{OFF,UP,DOWN} are not declared |
| 03:06:22 | XavierGr | well I changed that cause it had a conflicting name with tree.h |
| 03:06:30 | XavierGr | for iPod? |
| 03:06:34 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 03:06:39 | Mikachu | it doesn't have those three buttons |
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| 03:06:45 | XavierGr | I thought they did. |
| 03:06:51 | XavierGr | So it gives you a warning? |
| 03:06:54 | Mikachu | error |
| 03:06:57 | XavierGr | (error I mean) |
| 03:07:15 | XavierGr | Are you sure there is no UP or DOWN? |
| 03:07:21 | Mikachu | you've got the plugin specific defines at the top, like JPEG_UP |
| 03:07:26 | Mikachu | you should use those.. |
| 03:07:29 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 03:07:36 | Mikachu | they are called MENU and PLAY |
| 03:07:51 | Mikachu | #define JPEG_UP BUTTON_MENU |
| 03:08:33 | XavierGr | wait a sec I got confused. |
| 03:08:44 | XavierGr | I don't see anywhere BUTTON_OFF on the iPod |
| 03:08:53 | XavierGr | where did you see that? |
| 03:09:17 | Mikachu | @@ -1900,13 +2051,63 @@ |
| 03:09:20 | Mikachu | + case BUTTON_OFF: |
| 03:09:25 | Mikachu | + case BUTTON_UP: |
| 03:09:27 | Mikachu | + case BUTTON_DOWN: |
| 03:09:36 | Mikachu | you want JPEG_QUIT, JPEG_UP and JPEG_DOWN i think? |
| 03:09:42 | Mikachu | i changed to those, i'll see if it works |
| 03:10:00 | XavierGr | my god |
| 03:10:03 | XavierGr | thanks for seeing this |
| 03:10:07 | XavierGr | this is completely wrong |
| 03:10:17 | XavierGr | it works on H100 but it is wrong |
| 03:10:24 | Mikachu | heh |
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| 03:10:27 | XavierGr | I should use the defines |
| 03:10:32 | godzirra | hehe.. go mikachu |
| 03:12:51 | Mikachu | uh crap |
| 03:12:56 | Mikachu | i forgot to put jpeg files on :D |
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| 03:13:02 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 03:13:16 | Mikachu | i did the same thing when i wanted to try rockboy... no .gb files |
| 03:13:26 | XavierGr | okay do some test now for me? |
| 03:13:36 | XavierGr | put various pics in a folder |
| 03:13:40 | XavierGr | some small some very big |
| 03:13:58 | Mikachu | small filesize or picture size? |
| 03:14:00 | XavierGr | then load one small and press the button to change picture. |
| 03:14:06 | XavierGr | filesize |
| 03:14:12 | Mikachu | is 29K small enough? |
| 03:14:19 | XavierGr | yup |
| 03:14:28 | XavierGr | you can use up to ~480kB |
| 03:14:34 | Mikachu | what happens over that? |
| 03:14:51 | XavierGr | if there is playback it will ask you if you want ot stop music |
| 03:15:14 | XavierGr | does it change pictures without playback? |
| 03:15:14 | godzirra | heh |
| 03:15:25 | XavierGr | (also see if both buttons to change a picture work) |
| 03:15:28 | Mikachu | hang on while i figure out the controls |
| 03:16:31 | Mikachu | i can't figure out when it changes file and when it just scrolls? |
| 03:16:32 | XavierGr | then try the same with playback. (be sure to have a large pic there, more than 512kB) |
| 03:16:53 | XavierGr | it will scroll when the pic is very big to see it without zoom |
| 03:17:05 | Mikachu | so how do i change file in that case? |
| 03:17:17 | XavierGr | if that is the case (pic is zoomed) then you can press SELECT and RIGHT to change |
| 03:17:40 | Mikachu | as soon as i press select, it exits |
| 03:17:48 | Mikachu | er, yeah |
| 03:17:49 | Mikachu | #define JPEG_QUIT BUTTON_SELECT |
| 03:17:50 | XavierGr | gah |
| 03:18:09 | Mikachu | i'll change that to SELECT | MENU |
| 03:18:16 | XavierGr | linuxstb told me to that |
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| 03:18:42 | XavierGr | wait you need one to move to next and one to move to previous |
| 03:19:09 | XavierGr | can you make it MENU | RIGHT and MENU | LEFT? |
| 03:19:15 | XavierGr | OR you could change the quit button |
| 03:19:34 | XavierGr | ah yeah |
| 03:19:44 | Mikachu | it's hard to press menu and left/right, since it's on the same piece of plastic |
| 03:19:45 | XavierGr | change line 104 |
| 03:19:48 | Mikachu | only select is separate |
| 03:19:56 | XavierGr | ah okay |
| 03:19:59 | Mikachu | line 104? |
| 03:20:01 | Mikachu | #define MYLCD(fn) gray_ub_ ## fn |
| 03:20:20 | XavierGr | yes change the quit button to BUTTON_MENU |
| 03:20:26 | XavierGr | line 104 on the patch |
| 03:20:38 | Mikachu | it's a bit roundabout to edit the patch |
| 03:20:57 | Mikachu | shouldn't it work if i set quit to select+menu and next/previous to select+right/left? |
| 03:21:07 | XavierGr | okay then line 81 |
| 03:21:17 | XavierGr | #define JPEG_QUIT BUTTON_SELECT |
| 03:21:28 | XavierGr | #define JPEG_QUIT BUTTON_MENU |
| 03:21:33 | XavierGr | make that change |
| 03:21:35 | XavierGr | got it? |
| 03:21:52 | Mikachu | i got it working anyhow :) |
| 03:21:57 | XavierGr | why quit = select + menu? |
| 03:22:06 | Mikachu | because it's the only free combination? |
| 03:22:11 | Mikachu | only menu is scroll up |
| 03:22:20 | XavierGr | ah yes menu is already used up |
| 03:22:26 | XavierGr | so what buttons did you set? |
| 03:22:35 | Mikachu | select+play would also work, but select+menu is used in every other plugin so it makes sense |
| 03:22:36 | XavierGr | (alternate switching) |
| 03:22:46 | Mikachu | #define JPEG_QUIT (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_MENU) |
| 03:22:46 | Mikachu | #define JPEG_NEXT (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_RIGHT) |
| 03:22:46 | Mikachu | #define JPEG_PREVIOUS (BUTTON_SELECT |BUTTON_LEFT) |
| 03:23:04 | XavierGr | hmm but then you need 2 buttons to exit... |
| 03:23:12 | XavierGr | it is a little wierd |
| 03:23:15 | Mikachu | many other plugins do too |
| 03:23:23 | XavierGr | ah then okay |
| 03:23:44 | Mikachu | can't say if any of the viewer ones do, but snake2 and some others do |
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| 03:24:25 | XavierGr | so does it work that way? |
| 03:24:28 | Mikachu | right, so what did i want to test? |
| 03:24:29 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 03:24:44 | XavierGr | okay now playback a file |
| 03:24:46 | Mikachu | only thing that's confusing now is that scroll up and down will change pics if it's zoomed out now |
| 03:24:49 | XavierGr | and then open a small pic |
| 03:25:02 | XavierGr | yeah that is intended |
| 03:25:26 | Mikachu | it shows and doesn't stop |
| 03:25:41 | XavierGr | okay now scroll to a BIG pic |
| 03:25:48 | XavierGr | does it show a dialog? |
| 03:25:55 | XavierGr | (while playing music) |
| 03:26:12 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 03:26:29 | XavierGr | okay now choose an action and tell me if it did it right. |
| 03:26:47 | Mikachu | it stopped |
| 03:26:59 | Mikachu | but zoom in is a bit annoying since it is just a touch of the wheel |
| 03:27:20 | Mikachu | at least on ipods |
| 03:27:40 | XavierGr | hmm we should change the buttons on the iPod then |
| 03:28:04 | XavierGr | iPod has too few butttos |
| 03:28:48 | Mikachu | indeed it does |
| 03:29:16 | Mikachu | if i start playback, click on a big file directly, it doesn't offer up/down to skip file |
| 03:29:28 | Mikachu | but if i press up/down anyway, it shows the option, and if i press again it actually does it |
| 03:30:08 | XavierGr | wait I didn't get this. |
| 03:30:11 | XavierGr | you mean that: |
| 03:30:41 | XavierGr | it will not show you on the dialog to skip the big file when you fisrt chose a big pic. Is that right? |
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| 03:31:12 | Mikachu | yes |
| 03:31:27 | XavierGr | that is intended |
| 03:31:30 | XavierGr | now the second part: |
| 03:32:00 | XavierGr | (in the same action) Even if you press up_down it will change picture? |
| 03:32:20 | Mikachu | yes |
| 03:32:37 | Mikachu | is zooming also limited while playing music? |
| 03:33:03 | XavierGr | not is not limited |
| 03:33:08 | XavierGr | ^no |
| 03:33:23 | Mikachu | i have 1) a picture that won't let me zoom while playing music and 2) an image that is displaying corrupted after i select to stop music and show it, but it shows fine if i switch image back and forth after that |
| 03:33:26 | XavierGr | (ah I write like a sh*t) |
| 03:33:57 | XavierGr | hmm strange I never encountered that thing. |
| 03:34:11 | XavierGr | which iPod do you have? |
| 03:34:24 | Mikachu | nano |
| 03:34:30 | Mikachu | it is 100% reproducible too |
| 03:34:37 | Mikachu | the corrupt one |
| 03:35:22 | XavierGr | can you send me those pics? |
| 03:35:23 | Mikachu | the zoom thing too it seems |
| 03:35:25 | Mikachu | sure |
| 03:36:06 | Mikachu | dialup? |
| 03:36:39 | XavierGr | no, fucked up DSL. Hoggs on p2p activity |
| 03:36:49 | Mikachu | ah |
| 03:37:46 | Mikachu | how much ram does the nano have? it seems strange that you can save all that image data |
| 03:40:11 | Mikachu | wow, decoding jpeg is pretty complex |
| 03:40:50 | Mikachu | feel free to add color support too |
| 03:41:35 | XavierGr | I can't reproduce what you say on my H100 |
| 03:41:39 | Mikachu | okay |
| 03:41:58 | Mikachu | probably a combination of bad luck and phase of the moon then |
| 03:42:01 | XavierGr | Mikachu I only did the file changing, decoding is advanced stuff |
| 03:42:07 | Mikachu | yeah i know :) |
| 03:42:13 | XavierGr | you had only those 2 pics there? |
| 03:42:20 | Mikachu | no, some others too |
| 03:42:20 | XavierGr | also |
| 03:42:25 | Mikachu | but it's the same thing if i start on them |
| 03:42:36 | XavierGr | when I play music both of the files can;t load. It will ask to stop music. |
| 03:42:42 | Mikachu | okay |
| 03:42:59 | Mikachu | the 1995.jpg one is 426K, so maybe it's near some limit? |
| 03:43:00 | XavierGr | is that the same to you |
| 03:43:11 | Mikachu | only the 0370 one will ask to stop |
| 03:43:18 | Mikachu | but when i say yes, the bottom half is empty |
| 03:43:20 | XavierGr | yeah probably it will not fit. |
| 03:43:23 | XavierGr | no |
| 03:43:26 | Mikachu | if i then go to next image and back again, it is shown fine |
| 03:43:28 | XavierGr | the 1995 will not fit on mine |
| 03:43:36 | Mikachu | but the 1995 fits, but won't zoom until i stop music |
| 03:43:46 | XavierGr | hmmm |
| 03:46:08 | Mikachu | there is a function that checks if mem is available for zooming |
| 03:46:27 | XavierGr | so 1995 will fit while playing in you? |
| 03:46:35 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 03:46:38 | Mikachu | rb->lcd_puts(0,0,"Not enough plugin memmory!"); |
| 03:46:45 | Mikachu | you can fix that typo while you're at it :) |
| 03:46:55 | XavierGr | what typo? |
| 03:46:59 | Mikachu | memory |
| 03:47:06 | XavierGr | ah |
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| 03:48:10 | Mikachu | maybe you have to wait a little after asking playback to stop, to be sure the memory is freed? |
| 03:48:25 | XavierGr | but yeah maybe the 1995 is in the limit |
| 03:48:34 | XavierGr | so you can view it only while zoomed out. |
| 03:48:41 | XavierGr | what is the plugin memory of the nano? |
| 03:48:52 | Mikachu | 0x800000 something, not sure on the number of zeros :) |
| 03:49:37 | XavierGr | yeah but that is what it matters. |
| 03:50:49 | Mikachu | i don't remember what file defines it now |
| 03:51:04 | XavierGr | I found it |
| 03:51:09 | Mikachu | me too |
| 03:51:12 | XavierGr | It is the same as my target |
| 03:51:14 | Mikachu | #define PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE 0x80000 |
| 03:51:23 | XavierGr | 512 kB |
| 03:51:30 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 03:51:38 | XavierGr | the grayscale library isn't used in the nano |
| 03:51:46 | XavierGr | (it has a colour screen) |
| 03:51:49 | Mikachu | yaeh |
| 03:52:00 | XavierGr | the greyscale function needs 80kB of memory |
| 03:55:25 | Mikachu | sigh, i wish the apple firmware wouldn't take ages to load |
| 03:55:42 | XavierGr | yes the same applies for iriver default firmware |
| 03:55:51 | XavierGr | but I never use it :) |
| 03:55:53 | Mikachu | have to boot it to copy files |
| 03:57:12 | XavierGr | ok now I will upload the fixed version |
| 03:57:39 | XavierGr | but I can nothing for the no zoom condition. The player hasn't got enough memory. |
| 03:57:45 | XavierGr | ^do |
| 03:57:49 | Mikachu | yeah i understand now |
| 03:57:59 | Mikachu | you could pop up your thing, but it would probably just be annoying |
| 03:58:18 | XavierGr | yeah |
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| 04:02:47 | JdGordon | jpg doesnt compress at all does it? |
| 04:02:55 | Mikachu | uh? |
| 04:03:01 | XavierGr | jpeg comress data |
| 04:03:10 | Mikachu | jpg is like the most lossy codec in the world after rm :) |
| 04:03:15 | XavierGr | it is a lossy (and a lossless) decoder, encoder |
| 04:06:45 | Cassandra | Wow! I've just realised something. Theoretically you could run Rockbox on iPodlinux, since there's an SDL port. |
| 04:06:51 | Mikachu | haha |
| 04:07:03 | Cassandra | Build the sim for the iPod target, you see? |
| 04:07:17 | Mikachu | that would probably be slow |
| 04:07:22 | Cassandra | I wonder how well it'd run. |
| 04:07:26 | Cassandra | Probably, yeah. |
| 04:07:33 | Cassandra | But it'd be a neat hack. |
| 04:09:54 | Cassandra | Also be a nice way for iPodlinux fans to test drive Rockbox, assuming performance wasn't too poor. |
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| 04:24:20 | Mikachu | heh, color starfield is funny |
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| 04:26:15 | Mikachu | when i try to open a plugin that says 'incompatible model', my backdrop is cleared |
| 04:27:07 | XavierGr | strange |
| 04:27:18 | XavierGr | (though I don't know anything about backdrop) |
| 04:28:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I believe before a plugin is opened, the backdrop is cleared. The problem is probably that since it doesn't actually open, and then close successfully the backdrop is never restored. |
| 04:29:20 | Mikachu | makes sense |
| 04:42:11 | Cassandra | I still think someone needs to make the Rockbox credits scroll Star Wars stylee over the Starfield. |
| 04:42:23 | Cassandra | Well, for some definition of 'needs' obviously. |
| 04:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:48:11 | Cassandra | Right, it's been at least 15 minutes since I turned the computer on. Windows requires me to reboot. Bleh. |
| 04:48:23 | Mikachu | "you have rebooted, please reboot" |
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| 04:55:20 | Mikachu | hooray, fixed it |
| 04:56:29 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-reset-backdrop-on-failed-plugin.patch |
| 04:56:45 | Mikachu | probably would be better with a goto out; or something but i'm lazy |
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| 05:00:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Submit it to the patch tracker? |
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| 05:04:37 | Mikachu | will do |
| 05:06:38 | Mikachu | done! |
| 05:06:55 | Mikachu | good thing galeon saved my password and username, that email hasn't been valid for years :) |
| 05:07:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 05:07:32 | jackinabox^ | hi all |
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| 05:10:44 | ashridah | wish i remembered the password i used :( |
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| 05:19:19 | ashridah | or, maybe, i have remembered it |
| 05:19:24 | ashridah | it was just so old i never thought to try it |
| 05:19:34 | ashridah | bwahaha |
| 05:22:54 | Cassandra | Yay! The espresso machine is fixed. Joy to the world. But mostly to me. |
| 05:23:28 | ashridah | fucking sourceforge. |
| 05:24:07 | Mikachu | yes, damn them and their free services |
| 05:26:35 | Cassandra | Hah, well, I'll never use them again, and that'll show them! Erm... |
| 05:27:09 | Cassandra | Dear eBay, which part of "keep me signed in" is unclear |
| 05:32:02 | ashridah | must say tho, i've got a 4 digit userid on sourceforge. i wonder what they're up to |
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| 05:58:40 | JdGordon | ah crap.. yousendit.com only holds your file for 7 days :'( |
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| 06:11:40 | JdGordon | any1 know if it is possible for a plugin to call another plugin or one of the viewers? |
| 06:15:17 | JdGordon | is it correct to assume that if i want to move an entire directory i have to manuall rename each file with the new location? |
| 06:15:25 | JdGordon | i mean rename each file in the directory i want to move |
| 06:15:32 | JdGordon | i cant just rename the directory.. |
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| 06:21:37 | aegray | preglow or linuxstb here? |
| 06:23:18 | david_dl | hello again |
| 06:23:38 | david_dl | I installed rockbox on my 4g grayscale yesterday, it worked fine |
| 06:23:43 | aegray | :( |
| 06:23:47 | david_dl | today, I can't boot my ipod at all |
| 06:24:04 | david_dl | it shows the apple logo, makes a not-very-good-sounding noise |
| 06:24:20 | david_dl | then shows an "unhappy ipod" logo with a link to the apple support site |
| 06:24:29 | david_dl | this is teh noise it makes: http://daviddl.orcon.net.nz/hdnoise.mp3 |
| 06:24:49 | david_dl | What I want to know, is it coincidental that this happened after installing rockbox? |
| 06:24:59 | david_dl | and am I right in assuming the harddrive is dead? |
| 06:25:16 | aegray | have you tried restoring? |
| 06:25:30 | david_dl | I can't as it wont boot, not even into diskmode |
| 06:25:47 | aegray | sounds completely coincidental |
| 06:26:01 | david_dl | damn |
| 06:26:04 | aegray | what happens with the diag mode combo? |
| 06:26:17 | david_dl | what keys is that? |
| 06:26:19 | aegray | `diag mode |
| 06:26:22 | aegray | heh wrong channel |
| 06:26:28 | david_dl | oh lol |
| 06:26:37 | aegray | menu + center then when it reboots, rewind+center |
| 06:26:39 | aegray | hold it |
| 06:26:58 | david_dl | weird |
| 06:27:03 | david_dl | this time it booted straight off |
| 06:27:14 | david_dl | the only difference is this time its a lot cooler |
| 06:27:21 | david_dl | (I had just charged it) |
| 06:27:51 | david_dl | hmm, I think i'll restore it to the apple software, just incase its still under warruntee |
| 06:27:56 | david_dl | wouldnt want them finding rockbox on it hehe |
| 06:28:30 | aegray | heh |
| 06:28:35 | david_dl | I tried that combo you suggested |
| 06:28:38 | XavierGr | yeah that would be good to do |
| 06:28:48 | david_dl | it displays "I RAMPASS\n\nHITPLAY\nCONTINUE" |
| 06:28:51 | XavierGr | try it for some days without rockbox and see any symptoms |
| 06:29:08 | aegray | try going to diskmode through that and tell me what happens |
| 06:29:50 | david_dl | diskmode flashes onscreen |
| 06:29:56 | david_dl | then it reboots to rockbox |
| 06:30:06 | aegray | to rockbox? |
| 06:30:09 | aegray | rockbox works? |
| 06:30:09 | david_dl | yep |
| 06:30:16 | david_dl | the whole thing is working again now |
| 06:30:23 | david_dl | the harddrive is no longer making that noise |
| 06:30:30 | aegray | cool |
| 06:30:49 | david_dl | the only thing i can think of is that the whole ipod has cooled down alot |
| 06:31:05 | david_dl | it was very hot before |
| 06:31:51 | david_dl | ok |
| 06:31:59 | BHSPitLappy | aegray: did you not know about the port? |
| 06:32:01 | david_dl | i decided to exit rockbox, boot the apple firmware |
| 06:32:13 | david_dl | the noise is back, and this time diag mode doesnt work either |
| 06:32:22 | aegray | i know - its just he said it didn't work |
| 06:32:33 | XavierGr | something is fishy with the HD |
| 06:32:38 | aegray | if diag doen't work then its something other than the hd |
| 06:32:43 | aegray | diag has nothing to do with hd |
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| 06:33:01 | david_dl | it gets stuck on the sad ipod screen |
| 06:33:04 | XavierGr | but his HD is making weird noises? |
| 06:33:07 | david_dl | but now I'm in diag |
| 06:33:13 | david_dl | yep the noise stops once it gets into diag |
| 06:33:43 | BHSPitLappy | do the tests |
| 06:33:48 | BHSPitLappy | the hd related tests |
| 06:33:54 | david_dl | ok i tried the HDD scan test |
| 06:34:03 | david_dl | it started, with the hdd making normal hdd noises |
| 06:34:15 | david_dl | then it started making the 'bad' noise again |
| 06:34:45 | david_dl | hmmm I'm quite certain my harddrive is screwed |
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| 06:37:03 | aegray | is anyyone in here working on the ipod port / has a ready build environmnet for ipod? |
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| 06:41:14 | david_dl | grrr stupid web client |
| 06:41:31 | david_dl | (my normal irc client cant connect, it says its address is banned) |
| 06:41:55 | david_dl | anyway, answer to your question, I have a cygwin ipod build envronment |
| 06:42:07 | BHSPitLappy | aegray: what do you mean? |
| 06:42:11 | david_dl | although, I can no longer test anything, my ipod died |
| 06:42:17 | aegray | whoops - someone with a 5g |
| 06:42:22 | aegray | i need someone to test something |
| 06:42:31 | BHSPitLappy | so use the sim |
| 06:42:34 | aegray | i don't have a build env set up and i just want to check |
| 06:42:38 | aegray | you have a 5g sim? |
| 06:42:49 | BHSPitLappy | I have the rockbox-devel tree... |
| 06:43:03 | BHSPitLappy | but my builds here suck (cygwin) |
| 06:43:05 | aegray | k |
| 06:43:10 | BHSPitLappy | what'd you make? |
| 06:43:16 | aegray | were trying audio |
| 06:43:25 | BHSPitLappy | and FYI the ipod "porters" are linuxstb and preglow |
| 06:43:33 | aegray | yea i was hoping there were someothers |
| 06:43:34 | BHSPitLappy | they're hosses :) |
| 06:44:28 | david_dl | interesting, my ipod finally booted apple's firmware |
| 06:44:30 | david_dl | but everything's gone |
| 06:44:35 | david_dl | default settings, no music |
| 06:45:01 | david_dl | time to search for the receipt i thinks. This will be covered wont it? |
| 06:47:23 | BHSPitLappy | umm, just use the apple restore if you're that desperate... |
| 06:47:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:47:34 | * | BHSPitLappy hates dumb return-happy users |
| 06:48:26 | david_dl | umm, if the harddrive is screwed, restoring wont help much will it? |
| 06:48:54 | BHSPitLappy | so did you figure out that was the problem? |
| 06:49:00 | david_dl | yea |
| 06:49:13 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
| 06:49:18 | BHSPitLappy | sorry for the comment then |
| 06:49:22 | david_dl | after heaps of tries, it sort of booted, kept stopping, making that noise, starting again |
| 06:49:33 | david_dl | finally booted, behaved as if the filesystem was empty |
| 06:49:40 | BHSPitLappy | I just hear a lot of "omg linux wont work! wherez my receit???" |
| 06:54:07 | david_dl | "This warranty does not apply: to damage caused by accident, abuse, misuse, misapplication... |
| 06:54:23 | david_dl | i suppose screwed harddrive is immediately classed as abuse? |
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| 06:56:54 | aegray | nope |
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| 07:52:00 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Did the forums just die horribly? |
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| 07:54:37 | dpassen1 | Yes |
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| 08:29:45 | JdGordon | im playing with the radio screen to make it easier to make it wps'able... is there any other info we would need other than frequncy, mode, status,weather its tuned or not, preset info, and weather iot is stereo? |
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| 08:33:49 | dropandho | any1 happen to be around? |
| 08:33:54 | JdGordon | i r |
| 08:33:57 | aegray | lots of people! |
| 08:34:00 | dropandho | wooo! |
| 08:34:01 | dropandho | party time |
| 08:34:11 | dropandho | anyone notice the forum on the web is broken? |
| 08:34:57 | JdGordon | ye, been down for a while |
| 08:35:04 | dropandho | bummer |
| 08:35:12 | dropandho | has misticjeff or linus been informed? |
| 08:35:27 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 08:35:30 | Cassandra- | I think they're both in bed. |
| 08:36:28 | dropandho | got it...i guess ill message them and let em know |
| 08:37:41 | dropandho | i never email linus...any1 in regular communication with him wanna drop him a note? |
| 08:37:51 | dropandho | he might not check my msg |
| 08:38:07 | JdGordon | im sure they'll figure it out when they check the boards |
| 08:38:15 | Cassandra- | I imagine he reads his email. |
| 08:38:16 | JdGordon | or if they pop in here we'll let em know |
| 08:38:22 | dropandho | misticjeff never does |
| 08:38:24 | Cassandra- | I suspect only Jeff can fix it anyway. |
| 08:38:36 | dropandho | yeah- but he doesnt stop in really |
| 08:38:53 | dropandho | ill pm him thru MR |
| 08:40:11 | dropandho | ha- it wont let me |
| 08:40:12 | dropandho | ohh well- i tried! |
| 08:40:28 | dropandho | night all |
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| 08:41:40 | Cassandra- | Ah crap. All my videos have been replaced by grey screens again. |
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| 09:51:56 | JdGordon | grr... does the radio "work" in the h300 sim? |
| 09:52:08 | JdGordon | it keeps crashing here and i dont know if its my changes or the sim |
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| 09:53:23 | SereRoKR | good morning :> |
| 09:53:53 | midkay | morning SereRoKR |
| 09:59:03 | JdGordon | does any1 know of a tool to convert tabs to 4 spaces to make the devs happy? |
| 09:59:40 | BHSPitMonkey | actually I do remember seeing something like that |
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| 10:02:14 | JdGordon | hmm... and how do i get cvs diff to include new files...? |
| 10:03:06 | JdGordon | or how do i add a new file to a patch? |
| 10:03:10 | ashridah | JdGordon: get the cvsutils package, and use cvsdo add |
| 10:03:26 | ashridah | that'll pretend to do cvs add, but won't require cvs commit access |
| 10:03:29 | midkay | JdGordon, depends on your editor, you can usually just select a tab indent in your editor, paste it in the Replace dialog, and then enter four spaces for the "replace with" box, and hit replace all.. |
| 10:03:31 | ashridah | so it'll let cvs diff include it |
| 10:03:54 | JdGordon | midkay: smarty pants :D |
| 10:03:58 | ashridah | midgey34: that's really horrible, since it won't replicate the header ;) |
| 10:04:29 | ashridah | midkay: even |
| 10:04:36 | ashridah | damn you all and your similar nicks :) |
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| 10:05:01 | ashridah | JdGordon: are you using cygwin, the devkit, or linux? |
| 10:05:07 | JdGordon | cygwin |
| 10:05:16 | midkay | JdGordon, :) find an editor that automatically does it! :) |
| 10:05:16 | midkay | ashridah, what? :) |
| 10:05:47 | JdGordon | weeeeeee.... wordpad fixed it :D |
| 10:06:00 | midkay | JdGordon, did the replace thing work? |
| 10:06:05 | JdGordon | ye |
| 10:06:12 | ashridah | JdGordon: to make it easier in future, start the cygwin setup.exe, and add the cvs utils package |
| 10:06:15 | midkay | good, i was wondering if that worked in other editors |
| 10:07:03 | JdGordon | ashridah: ok, doing |
| 10:09:20 | JdGordon | hmm cvsdo add file.c then redit cvs diff and it didnt add it to the diff file? |
| 10:10:47 | JdGordon | did i do something wrong? |
| 10:12:09 | JdGordon | ashridah: ? |
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| 10:17:22 | JdGordon | ah, found it in the patches page... |
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| 10:30:57 | JdGordon | so.. do patches ever actually get commited? |
| 10:36:29 | safetydan | the joy of open source, things happen when someone gets around to it |
| 10:36:41 | JdGordon | :p |
| 10:36:59 | midkay | JdGordon, rarely in my experience :) |
| 10:37:06 | midkay | sort of baffles me.. :) |
| 10:39:17 | safetydan | JdGordon, did you mean to move all the #include statements in to the .h file? |
| 10:39:37 | JdGordon | ye, y clutter up the .c with them? |
| 10:39:56 | safetydan | they sort of belong there :) |
| 10:40:16 | JdGordon | whats the diff? seen as the .h is included in the .c anyway |
| 10:40:32 | JdGordon | i guess its my bad monash education then... |
| 10:40:45 | safetydan | Should there also be a radio_gui.h ? |
| 10:40:49 | JdGordon | nup |
| 10:41:03 | safetydan | Just checking. It's mentioned at the top of the patch |
| 10:41:39 | JdGordon | ye, i tinhk its htere because i thought it would be needed.. but its not |
| 10:41:45 | JdGordon | and i didnt delete it |
| 10:42:28 | safetydan | So basically the patch splits the UI stuff out of radio.c and gives the radio system a better API? |
| 10:42:35 | JdGordon | ye |
| 10:43:08 | JdGordon | i gifured it was never gonna be prettied up unless someone started somehwere... |
| 10:43:23 | safetydan | true |
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| 10:59:59 | safetydan | hrmm... ogg playback segfaults in the sim |
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| 11:12:53 | dertew | hi |
| 11:14:19 | dertew | i've some distortion problems with my h340 display, only with rockbox versions from half decemeber 2005 |
| 11:14:22 | dertew | any idea? |
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| 11:19:49 | dertew | http://forums.rockbox.org/ is down - database error |
| 11:23:58 | JdGordon | dertew: get a newer biuld.. |
| 11:24:42 | dertew | JdGordon, even the most recent build has this problem |
| 11:25:00 | JdGordon | what version o fhte bootloader u got? |
| 11:25:10 | dertew | v5 |
| 11:25:19 | JdGordon | hmm... odd |
| 11:26:21 | dertew | ? |
| 11:26:37 | JdGordon | where is the distortion? |
| 11:26:55 | dertew | everywhere |
| 11:27:09 | dertew | in menus, during playback, etc |
| 11:27:43 | JdGordon | odd... no idea.. |
| 11:28:01 | JdGordon | your best bet is wait untill the forums are back or linusN joins us |
| 11:28:25 | dertew | ok, i'll wait, thanks |
| 11:29:14 | JdGordon | you sure u updated rockbox.iriver to the latest? |
| 11:29:46 | dertew | yes, i'm sure. when i update i delete the previous .rockbox and rockbox.iriver |
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| 11:30:19 | JdGordon | maybe u have a hardware problem.. i dunno |
| 11:31:24 | dertew | the point is that with iriver firmware i don't have any problem. i don't have problem neither with the version i currently have installed, of half december |
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| 11:32:17 | LinusN | tadaaaa! i'm here! |
| 11:32:32 | JdGordon | howdy |
| 11:32:34 | dertew | wow! |
| 11:32:50 | LinusN | i can't help you with the forums though |
| 11:33:12 | LinusN | jeff doesn't know how to give me shell access to the forums server |
| 11:33:25 | LinusN | so i can't do anything |
| 11:33:32 | dertew | :( |
| 11:34:08 | LinusN | i've been nagging him about the smilies but he doesn't know how to solve such things |
| 11:34:40 | JdGordon | meh, so no annoying noobies for a while :D |
| 11:34:41 | LinusN | hmmm, misticriver dead too? |
| 11:34:54 | dertew | no, it's only a bit slow |
| 11:34:57 | JdGordon | no, mr is fine |
| 11:35:00 | muesli__ | ah...the smilies are broken..thought that was only me |
| 11:35:10 | LinusN | maybe his isp has technical problems (again) |
| 11:36:45 | dertew | LinusN, may be you can help me: i've some distortion problems with my h340 display, only with rockbox versions from half decemeber 2005 |
| 11:37:12 | LinusN | my dns can't look up misticriver.net |
| 11:37:33 | LinusN | dertew: ah, lcd timing issue |
| 11:38:17 | dertew | it's something you ever knew? |
| 11:38:36 | LinusN | i've seen some reports in the forums |
| 11:38:46 | JdGordon | LinusN: what needs to be done to get alarm wakeup going on the h300? is it relativly simple? |
| 11:39:07 | LinusN | JdGordon: should be pretty simple |
| 11:39:25 | LinusN | the alarm rtc function is similar to the archos one |
| 11:39:42 | JdGordon | wanna walk me through what needs to be done? or can i request it be done before uni starts i 2 weeks :p |
| 11:39:44 | LinusN | "all" you neec to do is handle the pcf50606 wakeup functions |
| 11:40:31 | LinusN | unfortunately it might require a bootloader change |
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| 11:40:43 | JdGordon | hmm.. damn |
| 11:41:20 | LinusN | the bootloader checks which key caused the device to turn on, and it might need to add the alarm wakeup to the check |
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| 11:41:50 | JdGordon | ah, well thats just a extra nicety... not really nescacery right? |
| 11:42:09 | LinusN | well, it turns off if no key is pressed |
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| 11:42:24 | LinusN | iirc |
| 11:42:40 | JdGordon | ah |
| 11:43:49 | LinusN | btw, my idea is to introduce a SYS_ALARM event, sent from the pcf50606 interrupt handler |
| 11:44:03 | LinusN | then we can handle alarms when the device is turned on |
| 11:44:52 | LinusN | one tricky part is that the current internal structure of rockbox makes it a little difficult to switch screens when the alarm is detected |
| 11:45:10 | LinusN | as Cassandra pointed out in the forums |
| 11:45:42 | LinusN | dertew: it only happens when the cpu is boosted, right? |
| 11:46:51 | dertew | uhm... no, it happens very often.. but in some cases it's more evident than in other |
| 11:47:51 | LinusN | like when playing games? |
| 11:48:53 | dertew | uhm... i install the latest version and i check in a moment |
| 11:49:19 | LinusN | you said "half december", is that really so? |
| 11:49:47 | dertew | no, i've just check my rockbox version. it's 2005-12-25 |
| 11:49:59 | JdGordon | xmas :p |
| 11:50:28 | dertew | yeah, good present. maybe the problem is on 2005 28 Dec 22:49 |
| 11:50:40 | LinusN | the most suspicious changes were made dec 28 |
| 11:51:12 | LinusN | if you don't count my dma attempt, which was pulled again dec 22 |
| 11:53:10 | LinusN | dertew: once i get my new h300, i'll connect my logic analyzer again and measure the timing |
| 11:53:43 | LinusN | (i won an h320 on ebay, but i'm starting to wonder if i'll ever receive it...) |
| 11:54:05 | JdGordon | won implies it was free... |
| 11:54:12 | dertew | ! |
| 11:54:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:54:17 | JdGordon | dont fry this one :D |
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| 11:54:54 | LinusN | can't help it, i'm addicted to the smell :-) |
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| 11:55:16 | safetydan | LinusN, did you say the sound plays fine in the SDL sim on your machine? |
| 11:55:16 | JdGordon | tis a nice smell |
| 11:55:26 | LinusN | safetydan: yes |
| 11:55:36 | LinusN | i haven't tried to ff/rew though |
| 11:55:54 | safetydan | The popping noise is obvious from the opening few seconds on my machine |
| 11:55:56 | LinusN | i rarely work on the sound playback stuff in the sim |
| 11:56:23 | safetydan | the annoying thing is I've rewritten the sim audio code and it still pops |
| 11:56:31 | safetydan | but at least the separate sound playback thread is gone |
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| 11:58:24 | dertew | LinusN, i've installed the latest version |
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| 11:58:42 | dertew | i get distortion when the disk spin up |
| 11:59:15 | dertew | for example when i change song |
| 11:59:37 | dertew | after 10-15 sec distortion stops |
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| 12:00:02 | dertew | but in some cases it cames back |
| 12:00:23 | LinusN | the cpu is boosted when reading from disk |
| 12:00:30 | dertew | no distortion in bejeweled |
| 12:00:36 | LinusN | wow |
| 12:00:58 | LinusN | hmm, meybe bejeweled doesn't boost anymore |
| 12:01:00 | LinusN | maybe |
| 12:02:13 | dertew | some distortion in bejeweles with music playing |
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| 12:03:05 | LinusN | looks like it never did :-) |
| 12:03:30 | LinusN | dertew: what happens if you boost the cpu manually? |
| 12:03:55 | dertew | ...mm how can i do it? |
| 12:04:59 | dertew | distortion when loading a photo (while the progress bar go on), no distortion when the photo is loaded |
| 12:07:55 | dertew | distortion if i scroll playlist while music is playing; no distortion if i scroll playlist while music is not playing (pause) |
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| 12:14:47 | JdGordon | LinusN: about the radio wps screen.. i think the bmp loading code from gwps.c is reusable.. but is the text drawing code useable at all? |
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| 12:20:18 | LinusN | not really, since the info is taken from the metatags |
| 12:20:52 | LinusN | dertew_lunch: menu->info->debug->cpu frequency, press Up to boost |
| 12:20:55 | JdGordon | ye, but i mean after changin that.. |
| 12:21:07 | Mikachu | it looks like tree_init() uses tc.dircache_size without checking for HAVE_DIRCACHE ? |
| 12:21:07 | LinusN | not sure |
| 12:21:13 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:21:39 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'd like the fm screen to use bitmaps for the frequency digits |
| 12:22:28 | Lear | Wouldn't a radio WPS just use different % commands? |
| 12:23:00 | JdGordon | LinusN: same.. but that would be _fun_ |
| 12:23:04 | JdGordon | anywho.. im going out |
| 12:23:08 | JdGordon | back in an hour or so |
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| 12:37:11 | safetydan | Anyone use the SDL sim under Windows and have the sound actually work? |
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| 12:39:57 | safetydan | oo... playback hang on my h120 |
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| 12:41:23 | Lear | safetydan: sort of. I get audio, but it doesn't sound very good. :) |
| 12:41:55 | safetydan | Lear, well my recent attempts to fix it seem to have resulted in no audio at all under Windows |
| 12:42:00 | safetydan | and no better audio under Linux |
| 12:42:15 | Lear | well, my test was a couple of days ago... |
| 12:42:29 | safetydan | there's been nothing checked in to fix it yet |
| 12:42:33 | Lear | Ah. |
| 12:42:36 | safetydan | just testing on my local machine |
| 12:43:01 | Lear | But the problem I hear is more likely due to the yield() implementation... |
| 12:43:22 | safetydan | popping noises? |
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| 12:45:10 | Lear | No, audio is chopped up; audio for a short while, silence for a short while... |
| 12:45:25 | Lear | Also, it uses 100% CPU then. |
| 12:48:29 | ashridah | i suspect the threading is broken |
| 12:48:42 | ashridah | which isn't exactly going to make it fun. :) |
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| 12:49:13 | Lear | broken how? no obvious differences that I can see in the SDL version... |
| 12:49:18 | ashridah | if it's still using the code i wrote to use SDL's threads instead of pthreads, it may well be broken, i never did test it that well |
| 12:50:15 | safetydan | yeah it's still basically the same |
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| 12:56:17 | ashridah | mm, well, check the mutex orders |
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| 12:57:26 | ashridah | use the x11 one as a reference, the code shouldbe fairly similar |
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| 13:00:10 | safetydan | found one mismatched (un)lock on the mutex but oddly it doesn't seem to change anything |
| 13:00:51 | Lear | yeah, runthread should start with ...P. |
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| 13:11:51 | preglow | reading the logs these days... |
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| 13:14:32 | dertew | LinusN, when i boost cpu i get distortion |
| 13:14:58 | LinusN | figures |
| 13:15:20 | Mikachu | hm, possible to use utf8 on the file system? |
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| 13:18:54 | Mikachu | how do i clear the playlist? |
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| 13:19:52 | dertew | LinusN, any suggest? |
| 13:19:52 | dertew | where can i dl older daily builds? (2005-12-26/27/28/29) http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h300/ |
| 13:19:55 | Mikachu | hrm, now i got stuck in a menu |
| 13:19:56 | Jungti1234 | hey markun... :) |
| 13:20:03 | ashridah | Mikachu: insert a new file, it'll typically wipe the playlist |
| 13:20:19 | Mikachu | i tried that, it just got larger |
| 13:20:22 | LinusN | dertew: you can't dl that old builds |
| 13:20:23 | Mikachu | well, on a directory |
| 13:20:31 | Mikachu | now i have to restart.. |
| 13:21:32 | Musicmad | LinusN. did this last night (my first C code yeah!) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1429902 |
| 13:21:49 | Musicmad | I think it's a big improvement to browsing long lists. |
| 13:22:40 | Mikachu | when i instert a directory, the current playlist isn't cleared |
| 13:22:53 | Mikachu | and the next time i get stuck in that menu, i'll note which one it was... |
| 13:23:04 | * | JdGordon is back |
| 13:23:22 | Jungti1234 | hi JdGordon |
| 13:23:27 | JdGordon | hi |
| 13:27:03 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Patinage de vitesse'? |
| 13:27:19 | t0mas | fast train or something? |
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| 13:27:34 | t0mas | oh wait |
| 13:27:36 | t0mas | speed skating |
| 13:27:37 | t0mas | on ice |
| 13:27:39 | Jungti1234 | |
| 13:27:40 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 13:27:41 | t0mas | lol |
| 13:27:44 | t0mas | I was close ;) |
| 13:27:44 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 13:27:51 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 13:28:11 | dertew | thanks LinusN, JdGordon, i go. bye |
| 13:28:18 | JdGordon | get it fixed? |
| 13:28:53 | dertew | ...no, but it's related to cpu boost |
| 13:28:59 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:29:09 | dertew | maybe an update of the driver made on 28 dec 2005 |
| 13:29:16 | dertew | i'll wait |
| 13:29:19 | dertew | bye |
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| 13:46:13 | Philip_0729 | is anyone else having problems getting onto misticriver?? |
| 13:47:03 | Jungti1234 | me too |
| 13:48:45 | JdGordon | slow... but seems to be working |
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| 13:50:30 | Jungti1234 | very slow |
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| 13:51:45 | Philip_0729 | how do you change timeout settings in firefox? |
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| 13:53:23 | safetydan | Musicmad, patch looks good |
| 13:53:39 | safetydan | well at least I like it |
| 13:53:40 | ashridah | Philip_0729: about:preferences or something might give you something you can work with |
| 13:54:19 | ashridah | hrm, at least, i thought it was about:preferences |
| 13:54:25 | safetydan | about:config maybe |
| 13:55:03 | ashridah | that's the one |
| 13:58:15 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 14:04:08 | safetydan | Unless someone objects I think I'll commit Musicmad's patch for paged scrolling |
| 14:04:49 | linuxstb | How does it work? |
| 14:04:52 | Jungti1234 | How should I make sdl simulator? |
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| 14:05:20 | safetydan | linuxstb, when you get to the second last entry of a page of the list, it scrolls an entire page up (or down) |
| 14:05:24 | Mikachu | hm, does rb expect filenames as utf16le? |
| 14:05:28 | safetydan | linuxstb, much more usable on the slow LCD of the h120 |
| 14:05:38 | Jungti1234 | 'configure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that you don't have SDL (properly) installed. Please correct and re-run configure!' |
| 14:07:13 | linuxstb | safetydan: So If I have a font which gives me 10 lines on the screen, and I go to item 9, and then try to go to item 10, what happens? |
| 14:07:47 | safetydan | linuxstb, nothing |
| 14:07:57 | safetydan | no need to scroll in that case |
| 14:08:13 | safetydan | the change is pretty minor, instead of continuous scrolling, you scroll by page |
| 14:08:16 | linuxstb | So what happens when I go to item 11? |
| 14:08:37 | safetydan | sorry, misread |
| 14:08:54 | safetydan | it will scroll, and you'll see the next 10 lines with the one last selected highlight at the top |
| 14:09:05 | Philip_0729 | NOO |
| 14:09:44 | safetydan | ? |
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| 14:10:11 | Philip_0729 | I prefer it how it is now... unless its only for H100 |
| 14:10:36 | safetydan | I was wondering if someone would want an option for it :) |
| 14:10:42 | Philip_0729 | or it is added as an option... |
| 14:10:46 | ep0ch | safetydan: yes an option would be good |
| 14:11:12 | safetydan | it's pretty nice for the h100 as it means you can actually read what's scrolling past |
| 14:11:32 | ep0ch | well i'll try it |
| 14:11:41 | ep0ch | does it work with the remote too? |
| 14:11:43 | preglow | safetydan: good point |
| 14:11:47 | preglow | i can't read shit as i scroll now |
| 14:11:58 | safetydan | ep0ch, yes |
| 14:12:59 | ep0ch | the only thing i miss from iriver fw is the vertical text scrolling, horizontal scrolling aint so good on the ihp |
| 14:13:25 | Musicmad | safetydan: thanks for looking into it. |
| 14:13:47 | safetydan | So, the consensus seems to be add it as an option? |
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| 14:14:14 | Philip_0729 | yes please |
| 14:14:15 | ep0ch | yes *another* option ;) |
| 14:14:30 | safetydan | yeah, that was my thought too :) |
| 14:14:35 | webguest42 | if I'm not mistaken, one can already scroll by page using the currently on the H1xx series |
| 14:14:54 | ep0ch | yup play+up/down |
| 14:15:22 | webguest42 | so how does this new method change that |
| 14:15:29 | ep0ch | but its quite different |
| 14:15:32 | safetydan | webguest42, it makes it the default |
| 14:15:57 | webguest42 | I must now hold play down to scroll as default |
| 14:16:05 | ep0ch | page scrolling moves the cursor a page too, whereas this patch the cursor only moves a line at a time |
| 14:16:40 | safetydan | basically replicates the iRiver firmware behaviour |
| 14:17:21 | Musicmad | Philip_0729: did you try my patch? |
| 14:17:42 | preglow | argh |
| 14:17:49 | preglow | is bluechip going to fix the sdl thing or not? |
| 14:17:49 | webguest42 | holding the joystick up or down will do what now ? with regards to scrolling |
| 14:18:26 | linuxstb | I'm sure Rockbox used to have an "emacs-style" scrolling - so for example when the cursor was about 3 lines from the end of the page, and you moved down, then the page would half-scroll, moving the cursor to the next item, but moving that item so it was about 3 lines from the top. |
| 14:19:09 | preglow | i think i'd like step scrolling like that compared to what we have now |
| 14:19:13 | preglow | which is unreadable |
| 14:19:27 | webguest42 | it was changed from that to current |
| 14:20:02 | preglow | it would also be more cpu friendly |
| 14:20:09 | preglow | and code should be a bit simpler |
| 14:20:32 | webguest42 | I really dont mind what method is used, as long as its user friendly |
| 14:20:43 | Mikachu | does rb expect filenames as utf16 on the fat filesystem? |
| 14:21:33 | linuxstb | I think FAT uses ucs-16 IIRC. |
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| 14:21:53 | safetydan | I'll hold off on the scrolling change for a bit |
| 14:21:57 | safetydan | got some other work to do |
| 14:22:06 | Mikachu | i hate filesystems that "use" a character set |
| 14:22:54 | Mikachu | btw, shouldn't it be possible for ipodlinux to use the umsdos filesystem? :) |
| 14:22:59 | linuxstb | What do you mean? How can a filesystem not use a character set? |
| 14:23:09 | Mikachu | it should just store the bytes i tell it to store |
| 14:23:27 | linuxstb | It does. |
| 14:23:36 | Musicmad | safetydan: it could probably use a brush up too before comitting. I'll try to make it into an option too. |
| 14:23:50 | Mikachu | in the filename |
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| 14:24:32 | preglow | Mikachu: so you prefer the situation we have with id3 where we don't know what character set it uses? |
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| 14:25:00 | safetydan | Musicmad, that'd be cool |
| 14:25:49 | Musicmad | safetydan: seems like there is no rush to do it too :) - which is good since I don't have C experience. |
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| 14:26:20 | safetydan | good way to learn :) |
| 14:26:45 | Zoide777 | for the ipod rockbox, is there a way to make scrolling through files behave as in the original firmware? (i.e. it accelerates after a while) right now it takes forever to scroll through large lists (plus there's no working tag database so everything's in one place unless you create a complicated folder structure) |
| 14:26:53 | Musicmad | exactly :) - do you think I need to reset the button repeat delay when changing page? |
| 14:26:54 | Mikachu | preglow: maybe i just want the utf8 mount option ;) |
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| 14:27:08 | Mikachu | preglow: my problem is i can't create utf16 filenames in linux since nulls aren't allowed |
| 14:28:35 | safetydan | Musicmad, no it seems to work fine without that |
| 14:28:52 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:29:22 | Musicmad | safetydan: great thx. |
| 14:29:53 | Mikachu | ah, no complaints, it works perfect with utf8 |
| 14:30:38 | Mikachu | ly |
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| 14:33:25 | Philip_0729 | Musicmad: i have a h300 with quite an organized folder structer... not to many pages of items to select and the current implementation works very well for me. If you were to comit it please make it an option. |
| 14:34:29 | Musicmad | Philip_0729: sure. Can't commit anything anyway. |
| 14:34:51 | Mikachu | what kind of dictionaries does the dict plugin use? i backtracked to dict2rdf.pl but don't understand what it reads |
| 14:35:17 | Philip_0729 | ty |
| 14:40:07 | Mikachu | screens.c has this comment for browsing id3 tags, |
| 14:40:17 | Mikachu | /* It makes more sense to have the keys mapped "backwards" when scrolling a list. * |
| 14:40:21 | Mikachu | but i think it's very confusing |
| 14:44:44 | preglow | linuxstb: what david bryant says on ha about apev2 tags on mp3s seems pretty sensible to me |
| 14:45:45 | * | ender` is using rockbox patched to support apev2 on mp3s |
| 14:45:55 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I'm happy with that. Only problem is that the id3v1/v2 parsers are in firmware/id3.c and the apev2 parser is in apps/metadata.c |
| 14:46:02 | preglow | arghhh |
| 14:46:10 | preglow | that bloody apps/firmware thing again |
| 14:46:23 | * | preglow wonders why id3 parsing of all things should be in firmware |
| 14:46:31 | linuxstb | What Rockbox should do is to read the last 160 bytes from the file, and see if that contains an id3v1 and/or apev2 tag. |
| 14:46:34 | Philip_0729 | @needleboy: are you there, if you are could you please have a look at the latest few optimized builds (after v0.53) as the audio is skipping on all files :( |
| 14:46:59 | linuxstb | preglow: Because it uses parts of mp3data.c, which is closely related to the MAS (I think). |
| 14:47:13 | preglow | haha |
| 14:47:19 | preglow | we also use mp3data.c |
| 14:47:23 | preglow | so it can't be that closely related |
| 14:47:55 | linuxstb | Maybe the mas driver also needs mp3data.c |
| 14:48:47 | linuxstb | No, doesn't seem to.... I'll see what happens when I move id3.c and mp3data.c into apps. |
| 14:49:02 | * | preglow does the SVN dance |
| 14:49:40 | * | Mikachu does the kirby dance <('')> <("<) (>"<) (>")> <('')> |
| 14:49:46 | Mikachu | sorry, got caught in the excitement |
| 14:50:34 | preglow | hahahah |
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| 14:50:55 | preglow | neat |
| 14:51:14 | Mikachu | probably my most used alias :) |
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| 14:55:17 | Mikachu | preglow: you have an ipod nano? |
| 14:55:24 | Zoide777 | so, does anyone know if it's possible to accelerate scrolling through songs like in the ipod |
| 14:55:49 | Mikachu | Zoide777: the scrollwheel handling code is currently very simple |
| 14:56:01 | Mikachu | it sends an event every time you scroll 4 units |
| 14:57:03 | Zoide777 | oh... b/c right now it takes forever to scroll through large lists of files |
| 14:58:07 | Zoide777 | it wouldn't be so bad if there were an artist/album/song database, but right now everything's in one huge list unless i make a bunch of folders... |
| 14:58:40 | Mikachu | yeah, you'll want to make playlists or sort your files by artist and album |
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| 15:01:40 | linuxstb | Well, if I move a load of files from firmware, just leaving mp3_playback.c there, then it seems to compile OK for both Archos and iriver/ipod - with the exception being playback_tick() and rec_tick() in mpeg.c (which I've moved to apps) being required by the code in firmware/mp3_playback.c |
| 15:03:33 | linuxstb | The files I've moved are: id3.[ch] mp3data.[ch] mpeg.[ch] and replaygain.[ch] |
| 15:03:54 | preglow | Mikachu: yea |
| 15:04:13 | Mikachu | preglow: i have fashioned a patch that makes shutdown faster |
| 15:04:18 | Mikachu | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1430040&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 15:04:30 | preglow | Mikachu: i don't have my nano with me, so can't test it |
| 15:04:37 | Mikachu | okay |
| 15:04:40 | Mikachu | but i promise it works :P |
| 15:04:45 | preglow | hehe |
| 15:05:09 | preglow | linuxstb: i think we start to have a little chat on whether the firmware/app thing makes any sense anymore |
| 15:05:10 | markun | Mikachu: the font is in cvs |
| 15:05:17 | preglow | linuxstb: s/start/need/, i suck |
| 15:05:27 | Mikachu | markun: cool |
| 15:06:01 | linuxstb | I think it does - IMO, it's just the files I mention which don't really belong there. |
| 15:06:02 | markun | Mikachu: we should replace the language specific fonts by their unicode equivalents |
| 15:06:12 | preglow | linuxstb: why does it make sense? |
| 15:06:41 | preglow | Mikachu: the shutdown only takes so long for nanos? i thought all ipods shut down slowly :> |
| 15:07:07 | Mikachu | preglow: hehe, well you see the reason there |
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| 15:07:32 | preglow | yeah, we don't exactly know how well the nano does in keeping close to the ata spec |
| 15:07:40 | Mikachu | if you want you can ifdef the loop instead but i think it's better to localise the change in ata.c? |
| 15:09:23 | preglow | yeah, probably is |
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| 15:13:49 | linuxstb | preglow: I just think splitting Rockbox into two parts makes it easier to maintain - IMO two smaller sets of code with a well-defined interface between them is easier to understand than a single large application. |
| 15:14:10 | linuxstb | We can simply move code from firmware/ to apps/ whenever it becomes an issue - like the id3 parsing code we're complaining about now. |
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| 15:17:50 | preglow | just seems to me that all that will be left in firmware eventually are drivers and kernel |
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| 15:18:03 | preglow | which would be fine by me, really, i see no use for id3 parsing code in firmware/ |
| 15:18:58 | Mikachu | is it possible to change the apple logo shown when booting? |
| 15:19:31 | preglow | probably |
| 15:19:35 | preglow | but no one's tried |
| 15:19:45 | Mikachu | okay |
| 15:19:50 | preglow | and it's in flash, so good luck if you do try |
| 15:19:50 | Mikachu | i won't be the first then :) |
| 15:20:06 | preglow | wise call |
| 15:20:11 | Mikachu | i thought maybe it was in the bootloader or something |
| 15:20:46 | Mikachu | will you look at the shutdown thing later? |
| 15:21:07 | linuxstb | Mikachu: It's not sensible to try and modify Apple's bootloader in flash - that's one thing that could brick your ipod. |
| 15:21:24 | Mikachu | i suspected as much |
| 15:23:52 | Mikachu | markun: still here? |
| 15:24:21 | linuxstb | preglow: There is one dependency between firmware and apps that I can't resolve. It needs someone who understands the MAS playback code.... |
| 15:24:55 | * | preglow summons a madman |
| 15:25:02 | linuxstb | amiconn ? |
| 15:25:56 | linuxstb | But I think we should wait until the files are moved to apps before implementing apev2 tags in mp3. That also means we can do it for Archos users. |
| 15:26:53 | crwl | "Show ID3 info" in the long-press-menu (whatever it's called) should be changed to "Show tag info" or something, shouldn't it? |
| 15:27:28 | Mikachu | i had the same thought |
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| 15:34:15 | preglow | yes it should |
| 15:34:22 | preglow | expect on archoses, where id3 is all you have |
| 15:34:24 | preglow | langv2, etc |
| 15:34:37 | Mikachu | even if it's only id3, "tag" is still true |
| 15:34:54 | preglow | sure |
| 15:34:58 | preglow | just a possibility |
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| 15:35:17 | preglow | i think i'd like "show song info" or something even more |
| 15:35:22 | preglow | less technical than both tag/id3 |
| 15:36:16 | Mikachu | if i have some songs in the playlist, and i want to remove them and add some other directories, how do i do that? |
| 15:36:38 | Mikachu | they're only removed when i 'play' a file in the browser, not when i insert a directory (recursively) |
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| 15:39:59 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I've just looked at your patch to fix the backdrop when a plugin fails to load. A simpler fix would be to only clear the backdrop after the plugin has been loaded and verified. |
| 15:40:16 | Mikachu | that's probably true |
| 15:40:47 | Mikachu | i didn't read the code so carefully so i just caught all the return -1; |
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| 15:46:25 | Mikachu | % grep 'cp rockbox.ipod ~/usb/ipod' .history|wc -l |
| 15:46:25 | Mikachu | 40 |
| 15:48:35 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i tried it, and it also works fine |
| 15:49:11 | Mikachu | the backdrop is shown while the error message is up, but that is probably not unwanted |
| 15:49:19 | NicoFR | needleboy: you threr ? |
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| 15:51:10 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, I think that's fine. |
| 15:51:50 | Mikachu | do you want a patch? probably easier to just change it yourself |
| 15:52:56 | Mikachu | ah, bejeweled is a lot more fun if you comment out #define BEJEWELED_SCROLLWHEEL |
| 15:56:23 | needleboy | I am now |
| 15:56:56 | NicoFR | just to say i don't really see how my FF/RW patch could possibly cause a performance hit... |
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| 15:57:57 | NicoFR | it only adds one single line of code in the FF/RW handler of the WPS code |
| 15:58:46 | NicoFR | and i wanted to know what kind of performance hit you had ? |
| 15:58:53 | NicoFR | lots of skipping ? |
| 15:59:07 | needleboy | most people had problems with playback and volume change since adding that patch |
| 15:59:30 | needleboy | i'm not absolutely sure it's your patch, so don't take it too hard |
| 15:59:43 | NicoFR | don't worry i'm not ;) |
| 15:59:58 | needleboy | the current release is for testing |
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| 16:00:03 | needleboy | the next one will include yours |
| 16:00:24 | NicoFR | on my build i'm using both my patch and the "improved power management" one and im' not having any problems |
| 16:00:27 | needleboy | and the one after will include the power management patch which might also be the cause to this problem |
| 16:00:35 | needleboy | seriously? |
| 16:00:38 | NicoFR | yes |
| 16:00:56 | NicoFR | if you want i can upload a zip for you to test |
| 16:01:03 | needleboy | i trust your word... |
| 16:01:05 | needleboy | damn |
| 16:01:22 | needleboy | ok, we'll see the reactions to this build and hopefully find the reason |
| 16:01:45 | Mikachu | i also have the ff/rw patch applied, but i haven't had much time to actually listen to music :D |
| 16:01:46 | needleboy | if you want, i'll post that it was not caused by your patch |
| 16:03:01 | NicoFR | if you want ;) |
| 16:03:32 | needleboy | i will in the next build's changelog |
| 16:04:07 | needleboy | sorry anyways... i'm really busy these days and haven't had much time for testing... so i just react to what people say... |
| 16:05:04 | Musicmad | safetydan: I have updated the patch. It's cleaner now, and an option in the file view settings. Looks like the best place, but this settings affects every list of course. |
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| 16:06:02 | linuxstb | How about General Settings -> Display -> Scrolling ? |
| 16:06:13 | Musicmad | linuxstb: sounds good :) |
| 16:07:05 | linuxstb | Although I think those settings relate to the horizontal scrolling of lines of text... |
| 16:07:08 | Musicmad | linuxstb: this is vertical scrolling however. Dunno |
| 16:07:12 | Musicmad | yup :) |
| 16:07:31 | safetydan | it also controls the "screen scrolls out of view" setting |
| 16:07:46 | Musicmad | I'll move it to that one. |
| 16:07:50 | Musicmad | agreed? |
| 16:09:13 | Musicmad | does the setting rely on stuff like: #ifdef HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS or #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP? |
| 16:09:18 | Musicmad | (forgive my ignorance) |
| 16:09:41 | linuxstb | What does the code itself rely on? |
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| 16:10:04 | Musicmad | linuxstb: the number of lines mainly? |
| 16:10:35 | linuxstb | But that depends on the font size.... |
| 16:10:53 | Musicmad | sure - it's coded to take that into account. |
| 16:11:30 | linuxstb | Are there any #ifdefs that surround your code? |
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| 16:12:53 | Musicmad | linuxstb: ah I get it. I'll have a look. Thanks. |
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| 16:15:14 | Mikachu | why is the shutdown menu entry ifdeffed in HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS? |
| 16:18:42 | Musicmad | safetydan: patch updated. Should be good to go now. Default is pragmatic. (off) |
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| 16:26:48 | Mikachu | what is this Buffer 30.081MB in the info screen? |
| 16:28:35 | linuxstb | The size of the audio buffer. |
| 16:28:47 | Mikachu | is that stored on flash? |
| 16:29:15 | Mikachu | or does the nano have 32MB ram? |
| 16:29:26 | linuxstb | Yes, the Nano has 32MB RAM like the other ipods. |
| 16:29:30 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 16:29:41 | Mikachu | for some reason i thought it was less |
| 16:29:43 | linuxstb | The architecture is exactly the same as the HD-based ipods. |
| 16:29:53 | linuxstb | Apart from the hard disk is a flash disk. |
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| 16:30:22 | Mikachu | is the buffer needed when using flash? |
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| 16:30:30 | linuxstb | I guess it means that Apple didn't have to make very many changes to their firmware for it to work on the Nano. And that's obviously good for us as well. |
| 16:31:11 | linuxstb | Mikachu: That's something we could experiment with, but would mean writing lots of code just for the Nano. |
| 16:31:23 | Mikachu | okay |
| 16:31:56 | Mikachu | the plugins get only 512kB of ram? or can they allocate from the main ram too? |
| 16:32:10 | Mikachu | or does it only limit the size of the code? |
| 16:33:04 | linuxstb | That 512KB of RAM is at a fixed address in memory - plugins are simply a binary image that are loaded to that address and then executed. |
| 16:33:39 | linuxstb | A plugin can request a pointer to the unused part of that 512KB, and it can also stop audio playback and request a pointer to the 30MB audio buffer. |
| 16:33:49 | Mikachu | i see |
| 16:34:18 | Mikachu | so if the buffer was 10MB the plugin would have 20.5MB of memory while playing music? |
| 16:34:57 | linuxstb | No - a plugin can either stop playback and get all the buffer, or not stop playback and get none of the buffer. |
| 16:35:13 | Mikachu | i meant if i were to change the size of the buffer in the code |
| 16:35:43 | linuxstb | You can't change the size of the audio buffer directly - that's just all the memory that is unused. |
| 16:35:56 | linuxstb | But you could make the plugin buffer 10MB if you so wished. |
| 16:35:59 | Mikachu | oh, okay |
| 16:36:11 | Mikachu | well that's a lot simpler :) |
| 16:36:22 | linuxstb | But undesirable. Why would you want that? |
| 16:37:15 | linuxstb | But of course, on the Nano it probably doesn't matter.... |
| 16:37:28 | Mikachu | wouldn't it make sense to have the plugin buffer of 512kB, an audio buffer of like 5MB and another part of free mem that can be used by plugins or by something else |
| 16:37:50 | Mikachu | i mean, an ogg is like 1MB per minute, i think the flash can cope.. |
| 16:38:29 | preglow | rockbox runs on more than the nano... |
| 16:38:39 | Mikachu | i guess i'm a bit selfish |
| 16:39:03 | preglow | the nano is really the exception to all this |
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| 16:39:17 | preglow | all our other targets that use the ata interface has actually got a hard disk connected to it |
| 16:39:23 | preglow | the other flash based targets use something completely different |
| 16:39:55 | linuxstb | But for example, the jpeg patch could benefit from increasing the plugin buffer size. And I don't think a smaller buffer would affect battery life on the nano. |
| 16:40:19 | Mikachu | is this general buffer part used by rockbox itself? |
| 16:40:25 | linuxstb | So for plugins that need to stop playback on other targets, the Nano could possibly do both. |
| 16:40:34 | Mikachu | or only by plugins and audio? |
| 16:40:46 | Mikachu | i'll give it a shot |
| 16:41:19 | linuxstb | When Rockbox starts, it will allocate some buffers based on user settings from the audio buffer. But after that point, the audio buffer is fixed in size and only used by the audio code. |
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| 16:42:19 | linuxstb | Mikachu: But why do you want to decrease the audio buffer? What would you use that RAM for? |
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| 16:42:31 | Mikachu | only jpeg so far i guess |
| 16:43:06 | linuxstb | Then you only need to increase PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE in firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h |
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| 16:43:45 | preglow | i wondere where the ata->flash layer is realised |
| 16:43:52 | preglow | i seriously doubt the flash chip understands ata |
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| 16:45:33 | linuxstb | The ATA code is identical on both the Nano and 4G, so I'm assuming it must be outside the PP chip. |
| 16:46:00 | preglow | yeah |
| 16:46:03 | preglow | mrffr |
| 16:46:09 | * | preglow wants to open his nano |
| 16:46:50 | * | linuxstb wants to open his g/f's 5g... |
| 16:46:52 | Musicmad | what's the best way to make a CVS patch if you have other patches installed? |
| 16:47:12 | linuxstb | Do the other patches affect the same files? |
| 16:47:32 | Musicmad | no |
| 16:47:43 | linuxstb | Then just do "cvs diff -u3 file1.c file2.c" |
| 16:48:02 | linuxstb | i.e. specify the files you want included this particular patch. |
| 16:48:25 | Musicmad | ok thanks - thought there might be some GUI thing in tortoise or something. ie select the files to include in the patch. |
| 16:48:31 | Mikachu | heh |
| 16:48:36 | Mikachu | takes ages to start a plugin now |
| 16:48:50 | Mikachu | i guess from the memset thing |
| 16:52:26 | Mikachu | well, it works at least |
| 16:52:44 | * | Mikachu looks at a zoomed in eye while listening to music |
| 16:53:10 | Mikachu | will i die if i remove the memset? |
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| 17:02:43 | Mikachu | hm, everything seems to work fine except the cube plugin, i can live with that. (i know i'm being crazy now) |
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| 17:06:51 | Mikachu | okay, maybe i will revert these changes for a while |
| 17:07:31 | Mikachu | needs a separate buffer that doesn't need to be memset |
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| 17:11:55 | Mikachu | or maybe you could have a thread that clears the plugin buffer in the background while none is loaded? |
| 17:12:05 | Mikachu | that way it will already be zeroed when someone wants to load a plugin |
| 17:12:14 | Mikachu | but that is probably a bit too specialized |
| 17:12:39 | linuxstb | That doesn't quite fit in with Rockbox's "keep it simple" approach to things. |
| 17:12:48 | Mikachu | i got a bit carried away |
| 17:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are the rockbox forums down, or just disliking me? |
| 17:14:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well "broken" more than "down" |
| 17:15:17 | linuxstb | They've been down all day. |
| 17:16:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thanks |
| 17:16:29 | Mikachu | when i return from the star plugin, the cursor is offscreen in the browser... |
| 17:16:39 | Mikachu | it's the fourth from the bottom in my list, dunno if that matters |
| 17:16:49 | Mikachu | i've changed all the plugin memory stuff back |
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| 17:17:14 | linuxstb | Are you running Musicmad's patch? |
| 17:17:27 | Mikachu | no, normal scrolling |
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| 17:23:07 | dropandho | hey all- was anyone able to get in touch with mistic jeff or linus about the forums? |
| 17:23:54 | muesli__ | both are informed |
| 17:24:10 | preglow | doesn't help informing anyone else but jeff |
| 17:24:13 | dropandho | excellent |
| 17:24:17 | dropandho | yeah, i figured |
| 17:24:33 | dropandho | but i thought i remember jeff giving linus hte keys the last time it broke |
| 17:24:36 | muesli__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKGxaol4qws |
| 17:24:42 | muesli__ | wicked |
| 17:24:48 | dropandho | any idea as to what is up wth it? |
| 17:26:18 | Mikachu | muesli__: that's just evil |
| 17:26:34 | muesli__ | nasty daddy he has... |
| 17:26:44 | Mikachu | that's what step means |
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| 17:34:02 | XavierGr | LOL I have played that game |
| 17:34:53 | muesli__ | is that u in that video XavierGr? ;) |
| 17:34:58 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 17:35:06 | XavierGr | I must say that I got a little scared too. |
| 17:37:18 | lostlogic | any brokenness with seeking for anyone with the changes I just made? |
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| 17:49:28 | preglow | lostlogic: an additional annoyance with the current system is that even though the progress bar says you're still on the last few seconds of a track, the playback engine has long since move on, so if you press skip buttons at this point, you'll skip to a different track than you intended |
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| 17:51:54 | lostlogic | preglow: good point |
| 17:51:55 | Mikachu | is the playback buffer for decoded or compressed data? |
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| 17:52:02 | lostlogic | Mikachu: there are two |
| 17:52:10 | lostlogic | Mikachu: the big one is for compressed |
| 17:52:14 | lostlogic | the little one for decompressed |
| 17:52:16 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 18:00:39 | preglow | bbl |
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| 18:14:11 | Paprica | ohhh progress bar fixed |
| 18:14:17 | Paprica | thanks! |
| 18:14:20 | Paprica | =] |
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| 18:41:28 | MisticJeff | hello |
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| 18:41:45 | MisticJeff | LinusN: are you present? |
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| 18:45:06 | Mikachu | i'm having no luck getting the pitch screen to show up... |
| 18:45:26 | Mikachu | i put in a warning #hi and it gets printed, so i know i got the ifdefs right at least |
| 18:45:55 | Mikachu | i hacked in a sound_set_pitch in the menu instead, and that works |
| 18:45:59 | Mikachu | :) |
| 18:47:32 | MisticJeff | If anyone knows how to get in touch with LinusN, please let him know I sent him an email |
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| 18:49:49 | linuxstb | I'm sure he'll read your mail. |
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| 18:52:42 | Mikachu | okay, i found the menu that sticks now |
| 18:52:58 | Mikachu | wps -> context menu -> playlist -> view current -> menu button |
| 18:53:22 | Mikachu | then it shows these four entries, Show Icons, Show Indices, Track Display, Save Current Playlist |
| 18:53:25 | Mikachu | i can't exit this menu |
| 18:53:53 | Mikachu | or rather, when i press MENU, it exits, but when i release it, it bumps back in |
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| 18:54:58 | Mikachu | can someone direct me to the part of the code that has this logic? |
| 18:54:59 | | Part MisticJeff |
| 18:55:16 | Mikachu | or fix it :P |
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| 18:58:03 | hardeep | Mikachu: That's the playlist viewer (playlist_viewer.c) |
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| 19:00:43 | Mikachu | okay |
| 19:02:57 | Mikachu | yeah, it has a BUTTON_REL... |
| 19:06:56 | preglow | linuxstb: according to the data sheet, sleep mode is entered almost immediately by the ata flash chip, so there's probably not much power to be saved there right now |
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| 19:08:30 | preglow | linuxstb: however, it does support the command, so god knows why it hangs ata |
| 19:08:37 | Mikachu | heh, that wasn't it, now i can't do anything in any menus |
| 19:08:50 | linuxstb | But we don't know if the controller in the Nano is the same as that though. |
| 19:09:03 | NicoFR | lostlogic: thanks for being inspired by my line of code :D |
| 19:10:37 | Mikachu | this code confuses me... |
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| 19:10:51 | Mikachu | what does the _PRE suffix mean? |
| 19:11:08 | Mikachu | on TREE_{MENU,RUN,WPS} keys |
| 19:11:09 | preglow | linuxstb: oh? you didn't check any photos or anything? |
| 19:11:40 | linuxstb | No, I just gave that chip as an example of a chip that does that job. |
| 19:12:12 | preglow | right |
| 19:12:23 | preglow | but i can't find any chip like this in any of the photos |
| 19:13:27 | linuxstb | No - but something inside the Nano has to do that job. |
| 19:14:39 | preglow | then why doesn't it show up on any photos :/ |
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| 19:15:23 | linuxstb | I haven't seen any photos good enough to identify every chip though. |
| 19:15:30 | Mikachu | i fixed it yay |
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| 19:16:55 | preglow | argh |
| 19:16:57 | preglow | i really need to open it now |
| 19:18:03 | Mikachu | okay, so i fixed the bug on my nano, but i am too confused by all the defines to say if it will work anywhere else |
| 19:20:48 | preglow | oooh |
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| 19:20:53 | preglow | new recorder encoding patch |
| 19:20:56 | preglow | and now it's got a build system |
| 19:22:42 | Mikachu | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1430212&group_id=44306&atid=439118 made a bug report and attached what i did (one liner change) |
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| 19:23:34 | skwad | hi everybody |
| 19:23:56 | Mikachu | hi dr nick |
| 19:26:05 | preglow | linuxstb: the chip in the nano is a 55LD019K |
| 19:26:09 | preglow | linuxstb: so you weren't far off |
| 19:26:56 | linuxstb | How did you find that? |
| 19:27:40 | linuxstb | According to the ipl wiki page, that's the firmware flash chip... |
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| 19:28:27 | yeahx | does rockbox improve battery life on nano? |
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| 19:28:48 | linuxstb | preglow: Seen this page? http://www.electronicproducts.com/whatsinside/ |
| 19:28:58 | preglow | linuxstb: that's where i found it |
| 19:29:05 | preglow | linuxstb: and that's definitely not a flash chip |
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| 19:29:10 | preglow | linuxstb: sst's flash chips don't start with 44 |
| 19:29:11 | preglow | 55 |
| 19:30:09 | preglow | linuxstb: and the main crystal is 24mhz |
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| 19:33:03 | skwad | just a question : can ipods become ums with rockbox ? |
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| 19:33:54 | _FireFly_ | skwad: yepp |
| 19:34:17 | skwad | oh that's nice |
| 19:34:19 | preglow | ipods are ums |
| 19:34:30 | preglow | it's just that the apple firmware can't play files you transfer that way |
| 19:34:40 | skwad | ok |
| 19:34:48 | skwad | and with rockbox its possible ? |
| 19:35:33 | Mikachu | ums? |
| 19:35:49 | nounours | universal mass storage ? |
| 19:35:50 | skwad | yes but so that it plays the mp3 transfered |
| 19:35:57 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 19:36:00 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 19:36:08 | skwad | ok |
| 19:36:11 | Mikachu | it plays oggs too, and flac, maybe some others |
| 19:36:19 | skwad | sorry for my english ^^ |
| 19:36:38 | skwad | i own a x5 and it plays ogg and flac too :D |
| 19:36:54 | Mikachu | i only have oggs on my nano now :) |
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| 19:37:29 | skwad | next time i buy a mp3 player and if rockbox develops i firmware for it I will not consider firmware anymore ^^ |
| 19:37:37 | Mikachu | XavierGr: your jpeg viewer works great when i increase plugin memory to 20M :D |
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| 19:40:58 | XavierGr | Mikachu:LOL 20 MB? |
| 19:41:11 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 19:41:18 | Mikachu | apparently the nano has 32MB |
| 19:41:19 | XavierGr | then you will have only 12 MB for pcm buffer |
| 19:41:45 | Mikachu | the problem was that the memset before launching a plugin takes 5 seconds |
| 19:42:13 | XavierGr | hmm strange in my target loading a jpeg (normal size) is very quick |
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| 19:42:41 | Mikachu | the memset is in rockbox, before it calls the plugin |
| 19:42:51 | Mikachu | obviously writing 20MB of zeroes takse longer than 512kB |
| 19:43:04 | XavierGr | ah you mean when you change the size? |
| 19:43:13 | Mikachu | no, before the plugin is started |
| 19:43:46 | XavierGr | you mean that it takes longer to load when you start a plugin, whe you changed the plugin buffer to 20MB right? |
| 19:43:46 | Mikachu | the problem is not your code |
| 19:43:50 | Mikachu | yes |
| 19:43:59 | Mikachu | i changed it back |
| 19:44:02 | XavierGr | okay, then yes it is obvious |
| 19:45:34 | preglow | 5 seconds??? |
| 19:45:47 | Mikachu | maybe not quite 5 |
| 19:45:58 | Mikachu | but way too long to be fun |
| 19:47:09 | Mikachu | and removing the memset didn't work so well :) |
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| 19:47:35 | preglow | hahah |
| 19:47:36 | preglow | no |
| 19:47:45 | preglow | then bss is not zero anymore, if it depends on that |
| 19:47:51 | Mikachu | yeah, i noticed |
| 19:47:59 | Mikachu | especially the cube and fractal plugins didn't like that |
| 19:48:05 | linuxstb | But there shouldn't be a need to memset the entire plugin ram though. |
| 19:48:18 | preglow | just the plugin size should do |
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| 19:48:36 | Mikachu | won't the plugin binary have zeroes where it wants zeroes? |
| 19:52:59 | linuxstb | No. |
| 19:53:45 | XavierGr | why someone would want to set all the memory? |
| 19:53:55 | Mikachu | what i meant was, if you zero the memory and then write the plugin there, what does it matter it was zero before? |
| 19:54:03 | XavierGr | I mean memory is going ot be overwriten, why set it with 0? |
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| 19:57:55 | preglow | Mikachu: the bss section isn't included in the plugin anymore |
| 19:57:57 | linuxstb | Memory is not all overwritten - uninitialised variables are not stored in the .rock file. |
| 19:58:14 | Mikachu | okay, so then it won't help if you zero the plugin size? |
| 19:58:23 | Mikachu | great timing by the way :) |
| 19:58:28 | linuxstb | It depends what the plugin size is. |
| 19:58:31 | preglow | Mikachu: not the file size, the complete size |
| 19:58:35 | Mikachu | oh oh, okay |
| 19:58:41 | preglow | Mikachu: it's stored in the plugin header |
| 19:58:52 | Mikachu | so that's what you do with that stuff :) |
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| 20:02:00 | XavierGr | Back in 2003 I bought my first mp3 player. A NAPA crappy 128mb flash memory. |
| 20:02:14 | XavierGr | I gave it to my brother and now I got it back. |
| 20:02:31 | XavierGr | I am looking for the company's site and I can't find it.!! |
| 20:02:38 | Mikachu | heh |
| 20:02:49 | XavierGr | I want to see the firmware that uses, and then maybe openit up |
| 20:03:04 | XavierGr | who knows, it would be fun to port rockbox on it! |
| 20:03:06 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 20:03:43 | _FireFly_ | i think one mistake and the player is brocken :) |
| 20:04:10 | XavierGr | who cares |
| 20:04:16 | p01n7 | :| |
| 20:04:21 | p01n7 | meany! |
| 20:04:25 | XavierGr | it would be fun just trying |
| 20:04:33 | _FireFly_ | yeah |
| 20:04:35 | p01n7 | :P |
| 20:04:47 | XavierGr | even my brother didn't want it... |
| 20:05:01 | XavierGr | in the worst case I will salvage the flash memory |
| 20:05:54 | XavierGr | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mp3werk.de/hardware/napa/napa2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mp3werk.de/hardware/napapa26.php&h=231&w=300&sz=33&tbnid=hqQaR7PiwX7tfM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=111&hl=en&start=11&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNAPA%2Bmp%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG |
| 20:06:02 | XavierGr | oops sorry about that. |
| 20:06:05 | Mikachu | XavierGr: maybe try archive.org |
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| 20:06:30 | XavierGr | but at least the link works |
| 20:06:39 | XavierGr | look at this crappy mp3 player and laugh!!! |
| 20:07:18 | skwad | is it only upgradable ? |
| 20:07:29 | skwad | is it just upgradable ? |
| 20:07:39 | yeahx | whats wrong with it? |
| 20:08:03 | yeahx | hehe |
| 20:08:05 | XavierGr | it works fine right now. It is just useless. |
| 20:08:12 | muesli__ | XavierGr try http://tinyurl.com/dw45y ;-p |
| 20:10:04 | muesli__ | and this http://tinyurl.com/68b33 |
| 20:10:05 | muesli__ | ;) |
| 20:11:00 | skwad | thats the site : |
| 20:11:01 | skwad | http://www.amaxhk.com/ |
| 20:11:42 | XavierGr | wow good job, how did you found it? |
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| 20:12:16 | skwad | http://www.mp3werk.de/hardware/napapa26.php |
| 20:12:39 | _FireFly_ | XavierGr: on the right side of the mp3WERK webseite there is a linkt to www.amaxhk.com |
| 20:12:41 | skwad | a the right is written Hersteller; which means the company |
| 20:12:44 | _FireFly_ | "Hersteller" |
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| 20:12:55 | XavierGr | ah I can't speak German |
| 20:12:57 | Mikachu | manufacturer |
| 20:13:03 | skwad | xavier aren't you french ? |
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| 20:13:53 | XavierGr | no I am Greek |
| 20:13:57 | skwad-eat | ok |
| 20:14:12 | skwad-eat | cause im french and xavier is an often used name in France |
| 20:14:20 | skwad-eat | going to eat, ciao |
| 20:14:50 | XavierGr | yeah Xavier is not Greek at all, just a nice nick that I like |
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| 20:15:35 | XavierGr | well I can't find any info on the company site. Only 4 links that isn't related with their products. (only a small description) |
| 20:16:22 | yeahx | is there an easy noob way to put rockbox on the nano? |
| 20:16:28 | _FireFly_ | XavierGr: try this http://www.napa.pl/napa/download.htm#pa26 |
| 20:16:49 | XavierGr | good work I found something similar in Japanese :O |
| 20:17:01 | _FireFly_ | put the link is brocken |
| 20:17:04 | _FireFly_ | but |
| 20:17:17 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 20:17:27 | muesli__ | XavierGr i have a patch for u http://sourceforge.net/tracker/pita.diff |
| 20:17:47 | Mikachu | are you sure about that url? |
| 20:17:53 | muesli__ | yepp |
| 20:17:56 | _FireFly_ | muesli__: url doesn't work |
| 20:18:05 | _FireFly_ | i become a big PAGE NOT FOUND |
| 20:18:08 | _FireFly_ | in blue :) |
| 20:18:11 | muesli__ | it worx 4 XavierGr only ;) |
| 20:18:11 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 20:18:43 | XavierGr | Have you tried a pita gyros yet muesli? |
| 20:19:10 | muesli__ | greeks sell it over here but i am not sure if its the way u know it |
| 20:20:06 | XavierGr | yeah, it is modified even in my country. It is different from place to place. But the main idea is the same. |
| 20:21:14 | yeahx | thanks |
| 20:22:13 | XavierGr | well the company seems to be down. |
| 20:22:19 | _FireFly_ | jupp |
| 20:22:49 | XavierGr | shame, I would like to take a peek on the firmware file. |
| 20:23:01 | XavierGr | but even then I am going to open it :) |
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| 20:26:04 | XavierGr | should I email them? :D |
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| 20:26:18 | _FireFly_ | why not :) |
| 20:29:09 | XavierGr | LOL I just sent them one. |
| 20:29:28 | XavierGr | I am very weird to read their answer... |
| 20:30:15 | XavierGr | Latest version of firmware: DRM Support, Directory Support, Personalize Opening Screen support |
| 20:30:17 | XavierGr | Hahaha |
| 20:30:34 | XavierGr | Directory support! Wow, new innovations |
| 20:30:35 | Mikachu | i want to personalize the rockbox splash screen too :( |
| 20:31:18 | XavierGr | truth is that I must have the latest version. and yes I can personilize the open Screen with a program they made. It was quite good but useless. |
| 20:31:36 | Mikachu | i can personalize the bootup screen on my motherboard |
| 20:31:47 | Mikachu | but it only takes 16color bmp |
| 20:31:57 | Mikachu | (not 16bit, 16 color) |
| 20:32:03 | _FireFly_ | others would be to big |
| 20:32:13 | _FireFly_ | s/to/too |
| 20:32:21 | Mikachu | i have an awesome bootscreen for lilo though, so it evens out |
| 20:33:14 | _FireFly_ | Mikachu: i think you mean a awesome bootmenu background image :) |
| 20:33:21 | XavierGr | they have the manual but they don't have the firmware file? Weird.... |
| 20:33:37 | Mikachu | _FireFly_: no, it is animated and crap |
| 20:33:52 | Mikachu | http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/xray-green.html |
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| 20:33:54 | Mikachu | that one |
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| 20:34:34 | _FireFly_ | but it isn*t a bootscreen for lilo it is only an animated menu-image |
| 20:34:35 | _FireFly_ | :) |
| 20:35:00 | Mikachu | you mean bootscreen would be shown before the menu comes up? |
| 20:35:11 | _FireFly_ | yeah |
| 20:35:27 | XavierGr | LOL there is no such mail |
| 20:35:39 | XavierGr | I got a delivery notification error. |
| 20:35:42 | Mikachu | okay, then it is an animated menu screen |
| 20:35:51 | Mikachu | there is also one with tetris or penguins walking around |
| 20:35:53 | _FireFly_ | i think a bootscreen is a screen which will be shown while booting/starting a system |
| 20:36:17 | XavierGr | also the damn player doesn't have screws. How am I supposed to open it up? |
| 20:36:45 | Mikachu | hammer? |
| 20:36:47 | BHSPitLappy | Mikachu: just change the picture and build |
| 20:37:16 | Mikachu | i was just about to do that |
| 20:37:45 | Mikachu | i wish there was a 'reboot' menu entry in apple so i didn't have to hold menu+select for 5 seconds all the time |
| 20:38:49 | BHSPitLappy | true |
| 20:38:52 | BHSPitLappy | get to work on that |
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| 20:39:10 | Mikachu | :> |
| 20:39:30 | Mikachu | sometimes when i wish things it turns out someone has already done it |
| 20:44:11 | BHSPitLappy | ... |
| 20:44:22 | BHSPitLappy | it's not a matter of someone doing anything, you just -change the picture- |
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| 20:56:42 | Bger | XavierGr :) |
| 20:56:52 | Bger | what are you trying to open ? |
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| 20:59:07 | XavierGr | ah my old napa crappy Flash mp3 player |
| 20:59:16 | XavierGr | and hi BTW |
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| 21:00:30 | Bger | hi hi |
| 21:00:40 | XavierGr | oh Bger: If you are going to see the jpeg patch I have updated. Reason was that keymap wasn't right for iPod builds. Also I tested it now and it compiles on all targets. |
| 21:00:41 | XavierGr | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1266294 |
| 21:00:57 | Bger | k |
| 21:01:05 | XavierGr | don't mean to rush you just a reminder. |
| 21:01:08 | Bger | i'll look into it tomorrow :) |
| 21:01:30 | XavierGr | great! |
| 21:01:33 | Mikachu | BHSPitLappy: i was referring to the rebooting.. :) |
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| 21:01:46 | XavierGr | maybe I will get my H300 tomorrow (or on tuesday) |
| 21:01:56 | BHSPitLappy | Mikachu: I thought you meant the rockbox splash screen |
| 21:02:37 | XavierGr | Bger: Do you happen to know how to open a device without screws? :D (hammer is not an option) |
| 21:04:22 | BHSPitLappy | what device would that be |
| 21:04:36 | XavierGr | old napa crappy Flash mp3 player |
| 21:06:15 | Mikachu | wee, it worked |
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| 21:12:23 | Bger | XavierGr maybe it has .. uf, i don't know how's called in english |
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| 21:14:58 | XavierGr | hmm I will search thoroughly later. Thanks anyway. |
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| 21:20:37 | Bger | np |
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| 22:15:16 | fairway | hi all i have one question. is it possible to seek in songs with the click wheel? |
| 22:15:23 | preglow | not yet |
| 22:15:27 | fairway | k |
| 22:15:43 | fairway | thx for fixing the seek display bug |
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| 22:16:34 | midgey34 | anyone have some alac files? |
| 22:16:51 | midgey34 | or know where I can track some down for testing |
| 22:16:56 | DreamTactix291 | i don't have any |
| 22:16:59 | DreamTactix291 | hydrogenaudio might have a few |
| 22:17:03 | DreamTactix291 | but i'm not sure |
| 22:17:27 | fairway | is there a good tool to synch the iPOD HD drive with the computers mp3 drive? |
| 22:17:44 | fairway | midgey34: you can make them with itunes |
| 22:18:09 | Mikachu | maybe rsync would work |
| 22:18:29 | dpassen1 | i use syncback |
| 22:19:02 | fairway | k |
| 22:19:36 | fairway | thanks |
| 22:19:37 | fairway | looks cool |
| 22:19:38 | Musicmad | synctools seems to work too. |
| 22:19:48 | Musicmad | it's mickeysoft though. |
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| 22:29:09 | t0mas | lo |
| 22:29:27 | t0mas | Henrico: dutch? |
| 22:29:30 | Henrico | yes |
| 22:29:43 | t0mas | kabelfoon... close to Gouda? |
| 22:29:54 | Henrico | fairly close. |
| 22:29:59 | Henrico | maassluis |
| 22:30:02 | t0mas | funny, I live in Gouda ;) |
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| 22:57:51 | safetydan | bah, sound problems in the SDL sim all seem to point to the yield() implementation |
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| 23:12:48 | preglow | how's that implemented? |
| 23:22:30 | aegray | linuxstb: anything? |
| 23:22:37 | * | aegray starting on it |
| 23:25:07 | linuxstb | aegray: No. I've given up now... |
| 23:26:20 | aegray | you try much? |
| 23:26:26 | aegray | ie is it worth digging at that spec |
| 23:26:46 | linuxstb | I'm not sure - I didn't have any more success with that than the others. |
| 23:26:51 | aegray | darn |
| 23:26:53 | aegray | k |
| 23:27:01 | linuxstb | i.e. I couldn't get repeatable results. |
| 23:27:05 | aegray | ah |
| 23:28:07 | aegray | heh which codec did I say it was? |
| 23:28:32 | linuxstb | WM8983 |
| 23:28:39 | aegray | k |
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| 23:34:39 | cpu | hi guys |
| 23:34:43 | cpu | can I ask a question ? |
| 23:34:47 | Mikachu | feel free |
| 23:35:07 | cpu | I'm using optimized build on my H320 |
| 23:35:13 | Cassandra | Are we allowing questions now? Why wasn't I told. |
| 23:35:13 | cpu | v 0.56 curently |
| 23:35:40 | cpu | and I heard that battery life is decarasing dramaticly |
| 23:36:46 | cpu | and my question is - this is stable ? my battery can be drained ? (lost it's capacity) |
| 23:37:27 | Cassandra | Should be safe, but we don't give guarantees. |
| 23:37:55 | Cassandra | Especially when using unofficial Rockbox builds (although it's hard to see what they could do to break it). |
| 23:38:02 | lostlogic | cpu: the lifetime (number of charge cycles) of your battery won't be effected by usign rockbox per-se, ti may be that rockbox drains the battery to a slightly deeper level than the iRiver firmware which could mildly impact the lifetime of the battery. Rockbox also has worse battery life per charge than the iRiver firmware at this time on the iRiver H3x0 |
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| 23:38:47 | cpu | all right so everything is OK |
| 23:39:27 | cpu | using lastest rockbox build can only make battery charge more |
| 23:40:07 | cpu | I have 2200 ipod 1g batt and I want to buy on ebay reserve |
| 23:40:25 | lostlogic | not sure what "using lastest rockbox build can only make battery charge more" means |
| 23:41:50 | cpu | it means that with lastest build battery life is shorter so I have to charge more often |
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| 23:42:46 | lostlogic | I don't think anything has changed in recent builds −− rockbox builds have never had as good of battery life as iRiver firmware did on H3x0 |
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| 23:43:16 | lostlogic | using the EQ will hurt battery life which could make it _seem_ like the new builds are worse on the battery, but that's just the nature of using an eq] |
| 23:43:52 | cpu | yep but on misticriver forum I've read some reports about that personally I didn't noticed anything (I'm not using EQ) |
| 23:44:00 | dpassen1 | is flat eq equivalent to not using eq? |
| 23:44:09 | cpu | thanks for help lostlogic |
| 23:44:28 | preglow | dpassen1: yes |
| 23:44:41 | lostlogic | preglow: isn't it one more instruction per 256 samples or something? |
| 23:44:42 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 23:44:48 | dpassen1 | Nice |
| 23:44:48 | preglow | ahh, yes |
| 23:44:49 | preglow | an extra if |
| 23:44:52 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 23:45:07 | preglow | an extra if for every zero gain band |
| 23:45:14 | preglow | still |
| 23:45:17 | cpu | anyone knows what is typical life of batt in h3x0 ? |
| 23:45:19 | preglow | we should extend the block length |
| 23:45:30 | preglow | i don't see the point in splitting blocks up in 256 length blocks |
| 23:46:39 | lostlogic | preglow: agreed |
| 23:47:04 | lostlogic | preglow: tbh, I think we should expand the max packet size per request in the codec loops too |
| 23:47:26 | preglow | wouldn't know anything aobut that |
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| 23:47:34 | lostlogic | but then I'm not sure if it would ever get used... depends how large the encoded packets are |
| 23:47:52 | lostlogic | we currently tell the codec "give me up to 1024 samples" which at least vorbis gives 1 packet, up-to 1024 samples |
| 23:48:20 | Cassandra | I wish there was a way to work out the platform of a device from within Windows. |
| 23:48:35 | Cassandra | That'd stop me trying to install the iPod version onto my iRiver. |
| 23:48:45 | Cassandra | (With predictably hilarious effects.) |
| 23:48:50 | linuxstb | Well, I've got code that detects an ipod. |
| 23:48:58 | Cassandra | How's it do it? |
| 23:49:01 | linuxstb | Ah, but not from the drive letter... |
| 23:49:09 | Mikachu | windows :( |
| 23:49:17 | linuxstb | But you could simply check for the iPod_Control folder |
| 23:49:35 | Mikachu | how about setting the volume label to IPOD? |
| 23:49:42 | Cassandra | Hmmm. |
| 23:49:51 | Cassandra | Don't really want to rely on heuristics. |
| 23:50:15 | Cassandra | Although working from /rockbox.* is a good start, I suppose. |
| 23:50:48 | cpu | ok thanks for help |
| 23:50:50 | cpu | bye |
| 23:50:51 | linuxstb | My code reads the raw disk device - but I don't know how you turn a drive letter into a raw disk device. |
| 23:51:17 | Cassandra | Ah, that's from the iPod flasher. |
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| 23:51:35 | linuxstb | There's no flashing involved, but yes. |
| 23:52:18 | preglow | lostlogic: ahh, well, but we can't request more than there's room for in the iram buffers |
| 23:52:56 | lostlogic | preglow: ah, valid point... would be easier if we were handing the codec a chunk of the pcmbuf to write to directly |
| 23:53:00 | lostlogic | we should do that. |
| 23:53:00 | lostlogic | :) |
| 23:53:03 | preglow | linuxstb: the ipod_control folder wont always be there for rockbox use |
| 23:53:11 | preglow | linuxstb: we'll run fine on a plain vanilla dir setup |
| 23:53:39 | preglow | lostlogic: mno, not really, the point with keeping the pcm buffer in iram is to make dsp processing go faster |
| 23:53:57 | linuxstb | preglow: Does the retailos recreate it when it starts? |
| 23:54:02 | preglow | linuxstb: think so |
| 23:54:10 | Cassandra | linuxstb, does this mean anything to you? http://www.osronline.com/showThread.cfm?link=45612 |
| 23:54:13 | linuxstb | But still, it's not a clean solution. |
| 23:54:16 | lostlogic | preglow: ahh... *nod* |
| 23:54:26 | preglow | lostlogic: we really do want to just decode one frame at a time |
| 23:54:41 | preglow | so we can keep all the working data in the codec in iram, and also pass it along to dsp processing in iram |
| 23:54:44 | lostlogic | preglow: how many samples per frame? are tehre bounds? |
| 23:54:56 | preglow | lostlogic: codec specific, we allocate the iram pcm buffer per codec too |
| 23:55:07 | preglow | lostlogic: so there's nothing saying it _has_ to be in iram, but we've been going for that thus far |
| 23:55:45 | lostlogic | *nod* I'll have to look into the samples-per-frame counts in the codecs if I want to learn more about this. |
| 23:56:01 | linuxstb | Cassandra: No - I don't recognise any of that... |
| 23:56:47 | linuxstb | Cassandra: You could a config file on the drive, which can be used to give per-device defaults. |
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