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#rockbox log for 2006-02-15

00:00:23BHSPitLappyand it would be advanced, with wifi!
00:00:34Kensirhey wait...Shadowwarrior...were you extracting the other firmware thing in the instructions
00:00:48Kensirthe apple_sw_something_rcsc
00:00:58Kensirjust checkin ;)
00:01:01Shadowarrior13Was I supposed to do anything else with it?
00:01:31Rob2222LinusN: After 9h benchmark, no changes in power with new USB patch.
00:02:03Kensirjust that one step
00:02:07Shadowarrior13Didn't think so.
00:02:21Kensireverything else should be alright
00:02:28Kensiranyone here in or around chicago
00:02:33Kensirits like 60 outside right now
00:02:48Kensircompared to 2 years ago's negative something...
00:13:22Shadowarrior13IS IT DONE?!?
00:13:33Shadowarrior13Holy hell in a handbasket.
00:13:38Mikachuwow, the excitement and builtup anticipation
00:15:18Kensiris there any site i can just upload it to?
00:15:36Shadowarrior13wtf is wrong with your internet
00:15:38dpassen1make a YSI
00:16:07Kensirnot a damn clue
00:16:11Kensirjust a sec
00:16:49Kensirwhat's a YSI
00:17:56Kensirgot it
00:18:43Kensirim uploading to a YSi
00:19:23Shadowarrior13And it'll take another hour.
00:19:52Kensirwe'll see
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00:21:11Kensirhld on
00:21:14Kensirill be right back
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00:28:08Kensirjust logged off for a while to speed up the process
00:28:09Kensirit didnt
00:28:17Kensirapparently i just have really shitty upload rates
00:28:20Kensirgo figure
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00:28:29Shadowarrior13Still not done?
00:29:08Kensirthis is kind of frustrating
00:38:01Shadowarrior13Dude, your internet sucks.
00:38:25Paul_The_NerdWhat's the problem?
00:38:25Shadowarrior13rockbox doesn't work for my 5G, so he's sending me his rockboot.bin and seeing if I just suck.
00:38:25Paul_The_NerdWhat problem do you encounter?
00:38:25Shadowarrior13Bootloader loads, I get a yellow rbx logo, then it goes straight to a frozen screen of a USB symbol.
00:38:25Shadowarrior13And no, it's not plugged in.
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00:38:28Paul_The_NerdAnd by "not plugged in" you mean not to a computer, or to a wall power supply?
00:38:28Shadowarrior13The dock connector is completely empty.
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00:39:09Paul_The_NerdOdd. It doesn't *sound* like it'd be a bootloader problem, since at that point you're past the bootloader and into rockbox proper, but there's all kinds of ways I could be wrong about that.
00:39:25Shadowarrior13I know.
00:39:55Shadowarrior13I don't get it either.
00:40:51Kensiryou should get an email now
00:40:59Shadowarrior13Finally :P
00:41:07Paul_The_NerdAnd the "freezing with the USB logo" is a known bug that occurs when you try to boot it with USB plugged in, so that's really odd
00:41:27Kensirgood luck
00:41:29Kensiri g2g
00:41:32Shadowarrior13K,. cya
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00:42:15Shadowarrior13WHAT THE FUCK
00:42:24Shadowarrior13I seriously don't get this.
00:42:40Shadowarrior13.rockbox and rockbox.ipod are both in root, right?
00:43:25Paul_The_NerdIf it gets to showing the big USB logo, it's found the rockbox.ipod, loaded it, and attempted to enter USB mode.
00:43:35Shadowarrior13Now, why the hell is it doing that?
00:43:55Paul_The_NerdWhat's it doing now?
00:44:01Shadowarrior13It's sitting.
00:44:36Paul_The_NerdSo, it's still doing the same thing?
00:45:33Shadowarrior13And NOW I have Kensir's ipod theme.
00:46:03Paul_The_NerdWell, you could always comment out the relevant code so it never attempts to go into USB mode, for the time being
00:46:14Shadowarrior13How would I do that?
00:47:46Paul_The_NerdI'm not entirely sure where to look. I'd go and find the code that sets it to charge from USB when you hold menu, and make the condition always true instead. That'd be a very small change, and it'd probably bypass this problem.
00:47:50Paul_The_NerdThough I'm curious what causes it.
00:48:36Shadowarrior13I have no clue what you just said, but damn I like your gusto.
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00:50:14Paul_The_NerdThough if you're using a bootloader that worked on someone else's 5g, and a clean CVS build and this is happening, that it seems like it's a hardware thing
00:50:49Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure entirely how USB is detected.
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03:35:12midkayi'm going to go nuts if there isn't a dev around familiar with the lcd_mono_bitmap function.
03:37:25Paul_The_NerdWhy go nuts?
03:37:53midkaybecause something's not working right and it makes no sense.
03:39:31Paul_The_NerdOut of curiosity (since I'm not familiar with it) how's it not making sense?
03:40:34midkaywell, i actually can't really explain. i'm using the same syntax as EVERYWHERE ELSE in my code... bitmaps were converted correctly, as far as i know.. quadruple-plus checked the width/height values.. and yet they display corrupted.
03:44:45midkaybmp2rb seems to be _reading_ them wrong or something.
03:45:55midkayweird. saving them as 8 bit works. 4 bit doesn't.
03:45:58midkayand yet that's what i did last time, iirc.
03:46:15Paul_The_Nerdbmp2rb only takes mono, 8 and 24 I thought
03:47:00midkaynot sure.. 4 worked for another bitmap though, i was sure of it. well.. never mind. :) thx anyways.
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03:57:46midkayyay! it works.
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04:00:18*Paul_The_Nerd cheers
04:01:42midkayi guess it was worth the hour's worth of work! :) now.. hmm.. i think i'll completely redo the settings functions (working on my clock plugin) to be more dynamic and easier to change..
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04:12:18drumrboyis it possible for that to be ported?
04:13:14Paul_The_NerdArguably anything's "possible." It's more a matter of how well it'd run, and so forth
04:14:33midkaydrumrboy, wow, that looks really cool.
04:16:38drumrboyits petty processor intensive
04:16:49midkayyeah, i don't think it'd run at all well
04:17:05drumrboyat least a proof of concept would be cool :P
04:19:02midkayit'd be a lot of work for sure :)
04:19:14drumrboyi would do it... if i knew C
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05:56:18*Paragon_ just slapped Rockbox into his iPod.
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06:20:52Zoide777does anyone know what the 4g ipod's dpi is? would it be better to use 75 dpi or 100 dpi fonts for converting them to rockbox?
06:23:13*ashridah hands Zoide777 a ruler :)
06:23:34linuxstbI don't know, but you can easily calculate the dpi - the colour LCD is 220x176, and the mono LCD is 160x128. Just measure the size of the LCD.
06:23:37Paul_The_NerdHonestly, since the pixels are fairly visible, why don't you just look at the height of the characters?
06:24:25ashridahwouldn't the datasheet list the dpi?
06:24:35ashridahipodlinux or rockbox's wiki is likely to have it...
06:25:10Zoide777k, let me check
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06:35:58Zoide777arrrgg can't find the dimensions online, and i don't have a ruler
06:36:11Zoide777doesn't matter, i'll just see which font dpi looks better
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06:45:33linuxstbZoide777: Which iPod do you have? The 4g grayscale?
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06:55:35kenrosehey all
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06:56:52Zoide777yeah, in any case it seems like 75 dpi is the right font setting
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07:36:32Bg3rmaybe it's more like evening for you ;)
07:36:55XavierGrno I am an all-nighter. I have some jobs to do this morning.
07:38:30XavierGrBger: Did you called me the other day?
07:40:32Bg3rno, i didn't
07:40:52XavierGrI though you wanted to say something to me, but oh well...
07:40:54XavierGrany news?
07:41:14Bg3rah, no, didn't have time yesterday
07:41:34Bg3ri'll look at it today
07:41:57XavierGrnice (if you have the time though, I don't want to press on you)
07:42:05Bg3rnp ;)
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08:57:13Rob2222_XavierGr: No changes in power with USB patch.
08:57:35Bg3rin battery life ?
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08:58:39XavierGrgood morning amiconn.
08:58:49XavierGrwhere have you been?
08:59:45XavierGrRob: I am really curious to learn what is the difference....
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09:01:51Rob2222_between iriver and RB in power consumption you mean?
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09:02:52XavierGrdifference in software handling I mean
09:04:08amiconnWho broke the win32 sim? :(
09:06:22Bg3ri think so too
09:08:18Bg3rbut aren't X11 and w32 simulators considered as obsolete ?
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09:09:34XavierGryes I agree with Bg3r, let's get rid of them!
09:10:33amiconnDoes the SDL Player sim now work correctly?
09:10:47XavierGrthough audio is choppy
09:10:58amiconnI mean archos player
09:11:07XavierGryes I misunderstood
09:11:19amiconnLast week the lcd was scaled incorrectly
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09:17:49linuxstbAre you talking about the charset lcd, or the aspect ratio for the bitmap lcd?
09:18:24linuxstb(I assume you mean the charset, but is the bitmap OK?)
09:22:16amiconncharset lcd
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09:23:28amiconnThe bitmap aspect ratio isn't a big problem, although the win32 sim had the advantage that you could select either the correct aspect ratio or square pixels
09:23:40amiconn(by changing #defines)
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09:25:56amiconnlinuxstb: The iPod can be clocked down to 32 kHz ??
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09:27:57linuxstbThat's what the PortalPlayer "product brief" says.
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10:11:53ddoddaacome on yo
10:12:00ddoddaamother fucker
10:12:10ddoddaaanyone? hahahahaha
10:12:19Mode"#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:12:22Kick(#Rockbox ddoddaa :B4gder) by B4gder!
10:13:03t0mas3 seconds faster
10:13:12*t0mas was just typing /chanserv op #rockbox
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10:13:49t0mashi! Long time not seen?
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10:14:12*Zagor looks at converting the SF XML to another tracker
10:14:37Zagorthe only question is what to do with all the users
10:14:51Zagor1. create accounts
10:14:56Zagor2. strip user information
10:14:57B4gderZagor: probably convert them into something like "SF user [blabla]"
10:15:03B4gderin a comment
10:15:16Zagorgood idea
10:15:31peturbut then the original poster can't change anything anymore?
10:15:58B4gderwell, it *will* be a transition phase that takes some attention
10:16:09B4gderotherwise we'd have to add hundreds of user accounts first
10:16:27Zagoradministering passwords for all those will be a nightmare
10:16:35peturI didn't say there was a better/nicer way ;)
10:18:04linuxstbAre you talking about another third-party tracker, or installing a tracker on
10:18:36LinusNinstalling a tracker, i suppose
10:20:08Zagorhmm, i just realized that we have email for all users, in the form <user> so if I create proper accounts for people, everyone can get their pwd in email.
10:20:46B4gderwell, my experience tells me a larger amount of users don't have that alias functional
10:21:30B4gderI frequently get mailed by users to which I can't reply
10:21:42B4gdersilly enough
10:21:52peturI imagine there's a whole bunch of zombie accounts as well... no need to create those
10:22:52t0masmaybe it's sufficient to ask everybody on both mailinglists to reregister wit h the new tracker?
10:23:28t0masand try to e-mail everybody who has a working e-mail address... If they don't have one... it's their fault that we can't contact them
10:23:59B4gderand we'd only need to mail those who have open tracker entries
10:24:53peturonly? :D
10:24:59B4gder"only" yes
10:25:03B4gderspam spam spam
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10:47:01*amiconn doesn't understand why many people deem the cygwin installer crap
10:47:18B4gderme neither
10:47:38B4gderand as usual with open source, they could proceed and help fixing it instead
10:47:40amiconnIt was crappy back when the window didn't support resizing,
10:47:59amiconnbut that was long ago
10:48:15amiconnOtherwise it's similar to linux package managers
10:48:22peturI just hate the fact that they store stuff in the registry
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10:51:22g33hey guys
10:51:33g33i ran into a somewhat severe bug methinks
10:52:13peturdo continue...
10:52:35g33im on a h140 btw
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10:53:06g33yesteday i went into that menu where you selec shuffle mode and stuff, tghe menu with the arrows
10:53:17g33then i hit the play button i think
10:53:28g33and then the player said "loading..."
10:53:33g33and just stayed like that forever
10:53:44g33and it started to get pretty warm
10:53:48g33so i reset it
10:54:00g33then it would hang every time i try and boot rockbox
10:54:31g33so i connected to usb, deleted the .rockbox dir and the iriver.rockbox and copied the latest versions onto the player
10:55:00g33and now when i try and boot rockbox, the rockbox logo shows really quickly, then fades to white (blue) then i cant see ANYTHING on the screen
10:55:14g33but the player seems to respond to the buttons somehow
10:55:35g33because if i hold stop, then it says "shutting down" and turns itself off
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10:56:26Bg3rso the bootloader tryes to load rockbox.iriver, yep ?
10:56:33safetydang33, try connecting it to your computer and run a scandisk
10:56:55g33im at work, cant do that now
10:56:58Bg3rso, after starting loading ("model: ...") hold the rec
10:57:03Bg3rthe rec button
10:57:08Bg3rthis will reset the settings ...
10:57:13Bg3rand if this doesn't help
10:57:27Bg3rfollow teh safetydan's advice
10:59:59g33the rockbox logo pic flashes for a second before it goes blank
11:01:07Lynx_on the H340, if i press the down or up buttons long to scroll, the scrolling will continue for a while after releasing. can i change that behaviour?
11:01:39g33ttrange, i used to use the ipod theme on it, and it still got the ipod theme, even though i deleted all the rockbox files and installed new ones
11:02:13g33h sweet
11:02:15g33the reset worked
11:03:16ZagorLynx_: that's a bug
11:03:16B4gderthe settings are stored in a sector outside of the fat fs
11:03:34Lynx_Zagor: ok, i thought so
11:03:35amiconnLinusN: Do you know whether the old Samsung tuner (archos fmr) can handle the japanese fm range?
11:04:12amiconnLynx_, Zagor: It's not really a bug, but caused by the still slow lcd driver
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11:04:35B4gderit is a unwanted feature :-)
11:04:40amiconnyep :/
11:04:49peturdidn't this get worse when the backdrop was added?
11:04:56B4gderI bet
11:04:57amiconna bit
11:05:20Lynx_how do i scroll whole pages, like ON + down on achos?
11:05:39g33thanks guys, gotta go back to work
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11:07:01Lynx_amiconn: hmm, thought i tried that, thx
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11:14:31Lynx_i guess skipping sound while scrolling in the filebrowser is also a known bug?
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11:36:23Zoide777any news on the 4g grayscale's display driver? i was wondering, does ipodlinux also have display problems on it? b/c if that were the case you could just borrow the code, right?
11:39:36linuxstbIt's simply just a work-in-progress and isn't finished yet.
11:40:24linuxstbThe problems are Rockbox-specific - it's the high-level framebuffer drawing code that's not finished.
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11:48:43JdGordondoes any1 know a script to convert tabs to spaces in all files in a folder?
11:50:43linuxstbI'm sure there are better ways, but I would do: mkdir NEW ; for a in *.txt ; do awk '{gsub(/\t/," "} ; print}' $a > NEW/$a ; done ; mv NEW/$a .
11:50:44vca# perl -pi -e 's/\t/\ /g' *
11:50:58linuxstbThere you go... Cryptic perl to the rescue.
11:51:01ashridahlinuxstb: owned :)
11:51:22JdGordonthanx.. i dunno if i have perl installed.. but ill try it
11:51:35vcalinuxstb's is cleaner ;)
11:51:45JdGordonyours is shorter :D
11:51:58linuxstbWhat do the -pi and -e options mean?
11:52:18JdGordonvca: does that change it to 1 space? or 4?
11:52:28vcaoh, one
11:52:46vcareplace "\ " with the # of spaces you want
11:54:28vca-e is 'expr argument as perl code', -pi is passthru and interactive .. passthru wraps -e in a while loop for each line read and -i applies it to $argv iirc
11:55:06vcathough it is 5am and i was awakened for an on call mess so i could be recalling that wrong
11:55:45JdGordoncan u get it to go into subfolders?
11:56:29vcamaybe with some find hackery
11:56:38linuxstbYou'll probably want to wrap it in a find - or use wildcards like "* */*"
11:56:52JdGordonworks fine.. apart from not doing subdirs.. but thats ok
11:56:55JdGordoncheers dude
11:57:53linuxstbvca: How does perl know to modify the files? I'm assume it writes to a temporary file and then renames?
11:59:07vcainternally? i'm not wholly sure how it plays the fds, but it is atomic, which is why i've always used it for sed-in-place
11:59:35linuxstbChecking "perl −−help" - it's the -i option that means in-place.
11:59:58vcaaha, so i had recalled it wrong
12:00:07JdGordonweee.. made it a script :D no more tabs in my patches... linusn will be happy :p
12:00:46vcawait a sec, i'm propping up spaces over tabs? *stab* (j/k)
12:01:00linuxstbThose are the rules.... :)
12:02:53B4gderJdGordon: your replacing a single tabl with a single space might get very funny results, indent wise
12:03:16B4gdertabs are not 1:1 whitespace
12:03:32JdGordonno, changed it to 4
12:03:49B4gderstill, it requires that you didn't also had spaces in there
12:04:17B4gderbut I guess that'll soon show ;-)
12:04:26JdGordonwell if my damn text editor would keep "use tabs" unchecked i wouldnt have the problem :p
12:04:36B4gderget a better editor
12:04:51vcasomething like ^\s+ would do one better
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12:05:35vcaor even \s+ to catch multis
12:05:37B4gderit is actually not really doable in a simple regex
12:05:52JdGordonits good enough...
12:06:02vcayeah not cleanly.. it's dirty hackery no matter how sliced
12:09:25JdGordonuh oh....
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12:09:39JdGordonor maybe not...
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12:19:43vcaballs. i'm wide awake now.. guess i'm going into the office super early. how foreign.
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12:43:30Mikachused also has -i for inplace changing
12:43:56Mikachuif you have zsh you can do **/*.txt for all subdirs
12:44:23B4gderthat's just GNU sed I'm pretty sure
12:44:24vcagnused? oh yeah? i had no idea. spending too much time on slowlaris
12:44:29vcathx for the tip
12:45:28vcalack of gnu sed was part of the reason i started using perl for regex work in many places
12:48:16B4gdersolaris needs a massive amount of open source to become usable
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12:50:31B4gderbut hey, they even ship curl on their "companion software CD" ;-)
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12:51:09vcaB4gder: that it does! we're telecom, so a lot of these machines have a list of sancto-sancto pkgs.. but perl is on em ;)
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12:56:24markunShall I commit the gigabeat code after I've finished the simulator?
12:56:39linuxstbAre there any 5g users around willing to test the latest CVS? I've just committed a fix which should significantly help audio decoding speed.
12:56:47B4gdermarkun: wow, looks cool
12:56:54B4gdermarkun: sure, commit away I say
12:57:13B4gderbloody huge lcd that
12:57:35linuxstbIs that 240x320?
12:57:57markunwe still have no bootloader for the gigabeat..
12:58:13linuxstbBut we have a sim :)
12:58:35safetydanWhich for some reason reminds me that I need to make the text buffers longer in the eq_menu so translators don't have problems.
12:58:37linuxstbWhat buttons are there?
12:59:08markunlinuxstb: the cross + POWER, MENU, VOL+, VOL-, A
12:59:17linuxstbIs the cross just four normal button?
12:59:46markunno, there are 13 sensors in the cross
13:00:28linuxstbSounds a bigger nightmare than the ipod's clickswheel
13:00:35B4gderso how do you operate things with the cross?
13:00:48B4gderfaster further out or something?
13:00:50markunyou can press it, or slide
13:01:12B4gderah, slide...
13:01:29markunThe first button driver will not handle sliding I think
13:01:32JdGordon:'( whyt the hell am i getting undefined references to radio functions (in the radio.h file) when the functions are freeking there and i havnt touched the files with the problems??? :'(
13:02:31Bg3rJdGordon preprocessor problems ?
13:03:03JdGordoni dunno.. iv done make cleand and make twice and it didnt help..?
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13:06:49Lynx_is there actually still someone working on xvid for iriver?
13:07:31B4gderdon't think so
13:08:02markunLynx_: mirak was
13:09:01*JdGordon is getting hugely pissed of with this code..
13:09:20mirakit was last year
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13:12:40linuxstbI asked about ideas for video codecs that could work in Rockbox on the ffmpeg mailing list a few days ago - the suggestion was mpeg1,
13:13:06mirakuncompressed video is out of question
13:13:17mirakI just did some calculs
13:13:27mirak13gigs for 2hours
13:13:39linuxstbYep - that's what ipodlinux currently does.
13:13:44mirakthe compression rate is somewhat incredible
13:14:10mirakI was wondering what mjpeg could do ?
13:14:36linuxstbI'm would expect mjpeg is a lot harder to decode than mpeg1
13:15:06mirakmjpeg doesn't have interframe coding, right ?
13:15:19linuxstbI would guess not, but I don't know for sure.
13:15:52miraklinuxstb: but mpeg2 codec is able to decompress mpeg1
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13:16:04mirakI haven't tried a mpeg1 stream though
13:16:13linuxstbYes, but it's a waste of space to have it in the decoder.
13:16:42mirakthe mpeg2 codec is not that big
13:16:48linuxstbBut yes, we could start with an mpeg2 decoder, and then strip out everything not needed for mpeg1.
13:16:51mirakat least way smaller than what I did with xvid
13:17:08Lynx_what decoder does the iriver firmware use?
13:17:19mirakproblem with mpeg2 codec as it was was the buffer was not in iram
13:17:30mirakit was not that easy to use fast ram
13:17:43linuxstbWhich mpeg2 decoder did you use?
13:17:48mirakxvid was really easier for that since it used some litle buffers
13:17:56miraklinuxstb: hem libmpeg2.
13:18:24linuxstbCan you test an mpeg1 file, and see if it's any faster than an mpeg2?
13:18:38JdGordonis there a preproccessor thingy like #error which doe the same but lets the vuild continue?
13:18:59JdGordoni was trying #warn :p
13:20:03JdGordoncrap.. undefined reference means it cant find the function in the c files or the defenition in the h files?
13:20:10ShyKthere's really very little difference between mpeg1 and mpeg2
13:20:26ShyKas far as decoding complexity goes
13:21:08linuxstbEvery little helps though.
13:22:02linuxstbDo you know if there are any other differences, such as required buffer sizes?
13:23:36JdGordonguys, im stuck.. can some1 please look here..
13:23:42ShyKnope, don't really know the technical side. just from what i've seen and read by developers, mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 are often said to have pretty much no difference. and mpeg-4 decodes -much- better with various apps/libs.
13:25:16ShyKwith libavcodec on my athlon, i can decode 60fps 640x480 advanced simple profile mpeg-4 video and the avarage cpu time it takes is ~17%, and peaks are around 30%
13:25:50ShyKno way in hell mpeg-2 would decode that well with any application i know
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13:27:46safetydanJdGordon, are any of those functions declared static?
13:28:30LinusNand are you sure they are compiled, and not excluded by some #ifdef?
13:29:08JdGordonyup, the #warning is the innermost #ifdef in the file, and its shown so the function headers are being read...
13:30:39LinusNJdGordon: that's the .h file, that doesn't tell you if the functions are compiled or not
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13:31:15LinusNthat only tells you that the prototype is being included
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13:31:58JdGordoncompiling again... moved the warning to the actual function
13:32:11Bg3rShyK what are the bitrates of the mpeg-4 video and of the mpeg-2 stream ?
13:32:45Bg3riirc, DVDs have up limit of 10 000 kbit/s
13:32:47linuxstbShyK: I've been told by the ffmpeg developers that mpeg4 is harder to decoder than mpeg1 - so I'm sure that just means you've got a poorly optimised mpeg1/2 decoder, and a well optimised mpeg4 decoder.
13:33:08Bg3rlinuxstb don't forget the bitrate too
13:33:16linuxstbOf course.
13:34:39ShyKBg3r: the 60fps mpeg-4 videos i tested are around 3000 and 4500 kbps and have some extremely complex motion, that movies pretty much never have. mpeg-2 at 8000 kbps
13:35:38JdGordonoh farting freeking hell
13:36:02JdGordon#include "config.h" was on the wrong side of a ifdef... /me is going to bed
13:38:16ShyKlinuxstb: in that case the libavcodec mpeg-1 decoder is quite poor :)
13:38:27ShyKtheir mpeg-4 decodes faster
13:38:58ShyKmaybe they took into account all the advanced mpeg-4 features
13:39:05ShyKlike qpel and gmc
13:39:17ShyKthose two option decrease speed by a huge amount
13:48:19ShyKand of course it may also be that performance on various types of cpus varies greatly due to optimizations and various requirments of each codec
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14:03:02webguest59linuxstb: so you mean that audio on the 5G will work, and hopefully as good as on the 4G?
14:03:33linuxstbIt's certainly better than it was. I've always been able to play some codecs - such as FLAC.
14:04:43linuxstbDo you have a 5g?
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14:14:03amiconnThis iPod video lcd access looks incredibly twisted, and slow...
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14:16:47linuxstbIt is - I'm just starting to look at what is going on.
14:17:09linuxstbAny suggestions would be welcome - but I don't know any more than what that code says.
14:18:03linuxstbBut I do know that the IPL people are busy looking for alternative methods to access the LCD.
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14:19:22amiconnCalling a function for every pixel which does several ins & outs...
14:20:45amiconnAt least the line/col loops could be optimised a bit by replacing 0xE0020 + curpixel << 2 by a single variable,
14:21:06amiconnof course incementing by 4 each time
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14:22:13linuxstbDo you have any plugins that you've written to test LCD performance?
14:22:35amiconnpetur wrote one which he gave to me
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14:22:44linuxstbWhat does it do?
14:23:02amiconnIt tests lcd_update()( and lcd_update_rect() with an 1/2 by 1/2 rectangle, measuring fps
14:23:25peturvery basic thing...
14:24:11linuxstbCould I have a copy?
14:24:41linuxstbDo either of you know how many fps does it manage on a h3x0?
14:24:56amiconn~80 fps for fullscreen at 45 MHz
14:28:55peturlinuxstb: don't have the code here at work and it isn't adapted to the new plugin itf, but I think amiconn adapted it...
14:29:05linuxstbIt's OK, amiconn has sent it to me. Thanks.
14:29:11peturah ok
14:30:28peturprobably has hungarian notation all over the place ;)
14:30:57linuxstbResults: 1:1 was 28.0, 1:4 was 61.5
14:31:40linuxstbBut hopefully improvable.
14:32:03x1jmphas anyon tried making a copy of wikipedia accessible on rockbox?
14:32:28B4gderx1jmp: the MR guys talk a lot about it
14:32:33x1jmpit would be nice to turn the jukebox into a encyclopedia :)
14:32:36B4gderbut I guess that's about it
14:32:41peturlinuxstb: of course, the display is bigger so more data to move around
14:33:03B4gderx1jmp: convert it to a neat format, make an index table, write a plugin. done. profit!
14:33:43x1jmphas anyone started with this?
14:33:50B4gdernot that I know
14:33:50Bg3rnoone, afaik
14:35:45linuxstbSimply making the function in the inner loop inline now gives me 31.0 and 65.5
14:36:14x1jmpwouldn't this be possible with the dict plugin?
14:36:30B4gderx1jmp: quite possibly
14:41:11B4gder31 * 320 * 240 * 2 = 4761600 bytes/sec
14:41:25B4gder80 * 220 * 176 * 2 = 6195200 bytes/sec
14:41:33B4gdernot _that_ huge difference
14:41:35x1jmpare there some information about the dict plugin, i couldn't find anything on
14:43:59B4gderthen of course it was 80fps at 45MHz coldfire and 31fps at 75MHz ARM
14:46:33peturlast time I ran this, on the H3x0 the 1/4 update was 4 times faster than fullscreen, but 31 and 65.5 fps means different efficiency for those implementations
14:46:48linuxstbI'm confused. amiconn's suggestion for replacing (OxE0020 + curpixel << 2) in the inner loop with a variable that is incremented by 4 is actually slower - 30.5 and 64.5
14:47:20linuxstbI wonder what gcc is up to...
14:47:39B4gder-S -fverbose-asm ! ;-)
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14:48:10linuxstbTo use that, do I need to do "make V=1" and then copy and edit the gcc command?
14:48:21B4gderremove the -c
14:48:43B4gderpossible change the -o to do use another name for the output
14:49:17linuxstbThanks. I'll try that, but not now.
14:50:58B4gderI find those options quite educational
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14:53:36webguest59linuxstb: yes, I have a 5G, but I havent tried rockbox yet since it wasnt really functional
14:53:48webguest59I will definitely take it for a ride now
14:54:12webguest59what would you say are the main differences between running rockbox on a 4G compared to a 5G?
14:56:42linuxstbThe LCD is far slower. I've just done some tests, and it can manage 31fps. As a comparison, the iriver h300 can manage 80fps.
14:56:52linuxstbI'm about to test it on my 4G Photo.
14:58:08webguest59so how did you come up with the idea to bypass the LCD chip or what was it you did?
14:59:29linuxstbIt was a pretty obvious thing to do - the LCD update function has to wait14ms for the Broadcom chip in the ipod to finish updating the LCD. I just added a call to the Rockbox yield() function so instead of doing nothing for those 14ms, Rockbox can carry on decoding audio.
15:00:10webguest59aha so the problem with the odd chip is still there, just not visible anymore
15:00:33linuxstbYes. But also the other parts of the LCD update function need work to make them work as fast as possible.
15:00:55linuxstbPlus of course the audio codecs themselves can be improved.
15:01:35linuxstbAnd the last resort is to wake up and start using the iPod's second CPU.
15:01:48linuxstbSo there's lots of potential.
15:02:09webguest59the ipodlinux people hasnt made any progress on the Broadcom chip?
15:02:42linuxstbAs a comparison, my iPod Photo can manage 72.5fps for full screen updates, and 283.0 for 1/4 screen updates.
15:03:05linuxstbSo it seems there is room for optimisation there as well.
15:03:45linuxstbWhat kind of audio files will you be using?
15:03:52B4gderwell, that's just 17% faster
15:03:58B4gderconsidering the smaller screen
15:04:21peturdo have a look why the 1/4 updates aren't 4 times faster... that seems odd to me
15:04:43B4gderthe photo one seems to be x 4
15:04:53petursaw that
15:05:18peturbut 5G only x2
15:05:19linuxstbThat's because of the very slow "finishup" function which waits for the broadcom chip to finish updating the lcd.
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15:06:03B4gderlinuxstb: what does that wait for?
15:06:11webguest59mp3s mainly
15:06:20B4gderI mean, what would die if you didn't wait
15:07:23linuxstbI don't know, but it does read from a memory address before and after the wait.
15:08:02linuxstbThe function is lcd_bcm_finishup() in firmware/drivers/lcd-ipodvideo.c
15:08:12linuxstbI know no more than that code.
15:08:35linuxstbToday's the first time I've actually looked at it in detail.
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15:12:12peturand of course all those addresses and values are undocumented?
15:12:21linuxstbOf course.
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15:14:31Mikachuis there a viewcvs for rockbox somewhere?
15:14:44B4gderpossibly you could gain a few cycles in the loop by calculating the next address and value before waiting for the handshake bit
15:15:28Mikachuah, didn't find that when i looked for it
15:15:53peturdoes this page add any info on the ipod we don't know yet?
15:17:49B4gderbtw, does the ipod color/photo _really_ use 18bits?
15:18:04B4gderhard to tell of course
15:18:16linuxstbpetur: No, it looks like the article is based on the ipodlinux wiki :)
15:18:49B4gdersince it seems very likely both the iriver h300 and iaudio x5 are blatantly lying about their 18bits
15:18:52linuxstbB4gder: What makes you ask that? I've never seen any suggest that it's 18-bit, apple always say 16-bit.
15:19:08B4gderpetur's page says 260K colors
15:19:20B4gdermy fault for not checking, sorry
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15:20:54linuxstbInterestingly, I've just looked on Apple's website, and they don't mention the depth at all (for the Nano).
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15:22:38linuxstbJust checked the 5G's specs - and they say "over 65,000 color lcd".
15:23:06B4gdermarkun: what does gigabeat claim? 18bit?
15:30:04markunB4gder: I've seen different numbers, but the 2.0 firmware uses 15 bit
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15:31:30B4gderpossibly that would make sense to have a 5 => 6 bit lookup table in the driver and use use the existing 16bit ones
15:32:10markunB4gder: the toshiba uk site claims 18bit:
15:32:27Bg3ririver claims this for h300 too ...
15:32:32B4gdera popular claim these days it seems
15:32:43markunI was told that photos look much better with the 3.0 firmware, maybe they changed the colour depth
15:33:10linuxstbThe gigabeat can just use the LCD_RGBPACK() macro to pack the RGB into whatever format the lcd needs. We already have two 16-bit formats, so another wouldn't be any more work.
15:33:46B4gderas long as it isn't >16
15:34:19linuxstbYes. It all depends how the lcd_update() function needs the data.
15:35:20Mikachuheh, apple lists this point as a feature for the nano, "Upgradable firmware enables support for future audio formats"
15:36:05peturbefore you know it they'll include a link to Rockbox :D
15:38:10Mikachuat the apple store, does the nano count as an 'iPod with color display'? i am guessing not
15:39:03linuxstbI assume that will be the 4G color.
15:39:10Mikachuah, the nano is listed explicitly in another one so it doesn't
15:39:23linuxstbAnd is the 5g/video listed separately?
15:39:42linuxstbIt's definitely the 4G color then.
15:39:44Mikachuthere's nano, mini, ipod, ipod, ipod with color display and ipod with video
15:39:56Mikachuand two different pictures for the two ipods in the middle
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15:40:18linuxstbAre they the 3g and 4g then?
15:40:39Mikachuthe first one looks like it has four buttons above the wheel
15:41:29linuxstbYes, that's the 3g I think. They are described here:
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16:04:11Jungti1234here is 00:04
16:05:14Jungti1234I must sleep.
16:05:39Jungti1234I have graduation ceremony tomorrow.
16:05:48Jungti1234ahh today
16:05:56Jungti1234:) good night all
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16:06:39yeahxjust a little
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17:15:45Lynx_does it make sense to replaygain scan a whole mp3 collection?
17:16:30ShyKthink about it like this: why not?
17:17:00ShyKthe one thing that doesn't make sense is the mp3 part
17:18:03Lynx_why not?
17:18:14ShyKbecause mp3 stinks
17:18:37Lynx_that depends on what you need it for
17:18:48Lynx_what's the fastest way to do the scanning?
17:19:36Lynx_that's already the fastest? hmm, this will take forever then
17:20:06ShyKthe 0.9 beta versions should be much faster than 0.8.3
17:21:58Lynx_ok, i'll try that
17:22:36ShyKdon't overwrite your 0.8.3 with 0.9 though
17:22:54ShyKunless you don't mind settings not being kept
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17:26:56Lynx_if i scan a single mp3 file to add the replaygain info, will the result be the same if i scan it alone, or with a bunch of other files?
17:27:32perpleXareplaygain compares files
17:27:48perpleXaisnt that pretty pointless to scan one file alone?
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17:28:26Lynx_well, i didn't know if the volume is adjusted to one standard, or to a average over all files scanned at one time
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17:28:29yeahxmp3s stink?
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17:29:16vcaheh, worried about mp3 codec on a unit that probably has $0.20 op-amps in it
17:30:12yeahxwhat codec is best battery wise?
17:30:24perpleXaLynx_: afaik they are set to an average value
17:30:43perpleXaso that too loud mp3s are bit more silent and vice versa
17:30:44yeahxI wanted to use ogg but I forgot someone meantioning to me back in the day that if it was put on a portible it would probably eat power
17:31:04vcai can't see replaygaining one track.. unless peak normalization is your thing, but that defeats the purpose
17:31:07Lynx_perpleXa: ok, so there must be a way to add new files to the set already scanned, without rescanning the old files
17:31:35perpleXai always scan whole albums with foobar
17:31:37Kohlrabiwhy not only RG-scan albums?
17:31:45Kohlrabiand not the whole collection
17:32:17Lynx_well, that's what i'm doing anyway
17:32:22Kohlrabithat is, if your tags are OK ;)
17:32:46Lynx_the tags are always ok if you rip the cd's you own ;)
17:32:53Kohlrabidepends :)
17:33:06Lynx_but, foobar does albums based on directory structure also
17:33:19Kohlrabii think the rg-scan scans by album tag
17:33:31KohlrabiBut I may be wrong here
17:33:56yeahxwont work on your friends CDs?
17:33:59Lynx_the 0.9 beta of foobar offers both
17:34:03yeahxhehe jk
17:34:26Lynx_well, musicbrainz works wonders on fairly common music
17:35:18Lynx_unless you have a vast collection of tibetian overtone chanting
17:35:25Kohlrabiif I may:
17:35:26KohlrabiReplay Gain works by first performing a psychoacoustic analysis scan of the entire audio file to measure the perceived loudness and peak levels. The difference between the loudness and the target loudness (usually 89 dB SPL[1]) is calculated; this is the gain value.
17:35:41KohlrabiSo you can scan 1 file alone, I think
17:35:43Lynx_aha, so there is a target loundness
17:36:02Lynx_must be then
17:36:21Kohlrabiso if you scan all files without album gain they will be all equally loud
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17:51:13t0maswrong button :)
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17:51:55yeahxyour not missing anything
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17:55:44Sacroevening all
17:56:28Sacrohow many files should the rockbox download have?
17:57:30mar_kpossibly even lots
17:57:34Sacrohmm, not just rockbox.iriver
17:58:12Sacroahh, its .rockbox
17:59:51mar_k.rockbox contains all yer bits n bobs
18:00:12mar_k.anything is hidden under unix based OSes by default
18:01:01Sacroyeah, i noticed
18:01:06yeahxitd be cool if rockbox was hidden on the ipod
18:01:17mar_kit is by default
18:01:32mar_kit should be anyway, thats what it does on iriver and archos targets
18:01:43Sacroi can see rockbox.iriver
18:01:44mar_kunless you set it to show all files
18:02:13yeahxon my nano it shows the rockbox file
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18:06:40mar_kthe rockbox.ipod or whatever is visible
18:06:57mar_kbecuase on most targets you can load a different kernel by "Playing" it
18:07:09mar_kRoLo simply isnt ported to ipod yet
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18:21:04yeahxso if I put linux on there I could do that?
18:21:08yeahxoh ok
18:21:15yeahxif rolo was supported it could
18:21:20yeahxmissed that
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18:21:31mar_krolo is for loading other rockbox kerneks
18:21:39yeahxaah ok
18:21:45mar_kthe bootloader is planned to have linux boot support though
18:21:47yeahxIm not too interested in linux
18:22:03yeahxbut if I can and it doesnt take too much space why not
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18:25:29iriverH340hi people, I own an iriverH340 and I followed your suggestion and installed rockbox yesterday
18:25:50Sacrocool, thats what i did
18:25:51mar_kand? :)
18:25:58iriverH340but I found the fm radio preset a bit buggy
18:26:08mar_khow so?
18:26:17iriverH340when I preset, I get a list of characters to name it
18:26:23iriverH340and rockbox get hang there
18:26:52iriverH340otherwise, rockbox works fantastic!!
18:27:27Sacrodoes it support WMA yet?
18:27:34yeahxwho cares
18:27:52iriverH340anyone here uses rockbox on H340 and experienced with radio preset?
18:27:59yeahxthats just a waste of time
18:28:07iriverH340what's a waste of time?
18:28:21mar_kradio on a 50gb hdd player at all :P
18:28:38iriverH340sorry, I miss the point
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18:28:50mar_ki never use the radio on my h140 so im not much help :P
18:28:58*Sacro unmounts his h340 and looks at the raido
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18:29:26iriverH340I use the radio when I go to sleep every night, together with sleep disconnection
18:29:31Sacrocan i use a H340 in the bath...
18:29:39iriverH340kind of feeling accompanied
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18:30:08Sacrowhat time is the daily build done?
18:30:35Sacroand is there a direct frequency input mode?
18:30:37iriverH340so, noone tried radio presets? should I post a but?
18:30:40iriverH340a bug sorry?
18:31:52Sacroi dunno, works fine here
18:33:02iriverH340Sacro: you have radio presets?
18:33:27Sacrojust created one fine
18:33:33mar_kdailies are pointless IMO
18:33:49mar_kexcept maybe for finding stable builds when a bad build is introduced
18:34:27linuxstbmar_k: The Rockbox bootloader on the ipod has always been able to boot linux .
18:34:36iriverH340Sacro: I downloaded the latest daily with H300 optimized, which one do you use?
18:34:47Sacrolatest H300
18:35:03iriverH340Sacro: ah, and you can preset without problem?
18:35:17Sacrowell, i cant input text very well, but i did a preset
18:35:19iriverH340Sacro: is there any manual page where I can read how to preset, perhaps I do something wrong
18:35:38Sacroselect radio, tune in, hold nav/i add preset
18:36:09Sacrotype name, press play/pause
18:36:15Sacroand bobs your mothers uncle
18:36:20Sacro*mothers brother
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18:37:05iriverH340I have tried again and womething goes wrong
18:37:30iriverH340I press C, then I go to O and in between a q appears and C disapears and it doesn't move anymore
18:38:39Sacrohmm, works fine here
18:39:09iriverH340how are the letters taken? with nav?
18:39:44PapricaNew powerup in BrickMania - Now in the CVS
18:40:41iriverH340what is powerup?
18:40:57Papricado you know brickmania?
18:41:11iriverH340no :) a game I suppose
18:41:13Mikachuis there nano support yet?
18:41:30Mikachui tried it but the courses don't fit on screen and the ball bounces on the screen edge :)
18:41:43PapricairiverH340, yep
18:42:06PapricaMikachu, it needs adjust....
18:42:18iriverH340no way, my radio preset isn't working at all
18:42:20Mikachuit looked nice though, and ran fine
18:42:32iriverH340Sacro: when the radio is on, does your machine go very slow?
18:42:57SacroiriverH340: not that ive noticed
18:43:07Sacrohow do you de-sticky your paddle?
18:44:09iriverH340in my machine, when the radio is selected, everything goes SLOW!!
18:44:14*Sacro will waste many hours playing that
18:44:25iriverH340it already happened with the original iriver firmware
18:45:31linuxstbHurray, brickmania multi-ball :)
18:46:32Mikachuthe builtin ipod nano one is sooo bad
18:46:54Mikachuit's like a bad flash game, sometimes the ball goes through several bricks
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18:49:43yeahxcontrols suck anyway
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18:50:00*godzirra waves.
18:50:03godzirraHowdy folks.
18:50:28imphasing_It's godzirra!
18:50:29Mikachuthe scroll wheel can only be used for lists, i don't like when plugins use it to move updown and use clicking for left/right
18:51:04*godzirra raars.
18:51:27yeahxIm still not used to the rockbox controls
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18:51:53Mikachui also changed the wheel delta threshold to 10 from 4
18:51:57linuxstbMikachu: I agree (and I did it...)
18:52:01godzirraany further word on rockbox on ipod videos?
18:52:19linuxstbFurther to what?
18:52:38yeahxI swear I get stuck between the menu and directory and cant get back to the now playing screen sometimes but I guess I need to press something else
18:52:47yeahxaah reverse right?
18:52:54yeahxI keep forgetting
18:53:13Mikachuthe playlist viewing from the wps context menu is weird
18:53:26Mikachuit is the only menu that needs LEFT to exit i think
18:53:27yeahxMikachu: how often do you update your rockbox?
18:54:10Mikachui've copied rockbox.ipod to my ipod 70 times in the last 4 days
18:54:22Mikachuaccording to my history file
18:55:25yeahxI checked for changes today and didnt see any, not sure if I looked at the right place
18:55:32imphasing_godzirra: Audio works.
18:55:49imphasing_And I think there have been some minor improvments in the screen speed
18:55:50Mikachuyeahx: do you mean if you press MENU in the playlist viewer?
18:56:00Mikachuyeahx: i have submitted a bug about that with a tentative fix
18:56:03yeahxwhy so many times? are you making a lot of changes
18:56:18Mikachuyeah i changed it myself of course
18:56:51yeahxnot a playlist but a folder I think
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18:58:09yeahxsometimes it wont go back to the now playing screen
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18:58:37markunDoes anyone have a link to the big rockbox logo for me?
18:58:50Mikachuyeahx: this is the one i'm talking about
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19:03:55yeahxI didnt even know about that feature
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19:04:10Mikachui always enter that menu by accident when i try to quit the playlist viewer
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19:04:28Mikachuand it was a bit anoying to have to reboot veery time
19:04:31yeahxIm still new to rockbox on nano and havent played much
19:04:59Mikachui've used it since saturday
19:05:00iriverH340hey, I connect my H340 to my linux laptop and the laptop doesn't recognize it, although with iriver firmware it did, any help?
19:05:22yeahxmy nano shut off yesterday, I thought the battery died
19:07:13iriverH340what is the key combination to start iriver firmware instead of rockbox with H340???
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19:20:47yeahxdoes the battery indicator work on ipods other than nano?
19:21:10Mikachuipl reads it fine i think, so it should be doable
19:21:38linuxstbyeahx: No, it's not implemented for any ipod yet.
19:22:12linuxstbBut when it is, the same code will work on all ipods.
19:22:59yeahxthats what I thought, why I asked
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19:26:32Mikachuwhere is the code for the text entry screen?
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19:29:10linuxstbMikachu: apps/recorder/keyboard.c
19:29:23Mikachuah, that wasn't entirely obvious
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19:31:15linuxstbThere are two subdirectories in apps - recorder and player. These relate to the first two players that Rockbox worked on. The recorder had a bitmapped LCD, and the player only had a character-based LCD.
19:31:50linuxstbBut CVS doesn't make it easy for us to rename directories or move files, which is why that has stayed.
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20:11:55Mikachuchanged the config screen to use the four click directions for moving and menu+select to abort... much more usable imo
20:12:08Mikachuand most things seem to use menu+select for exit
20:12:21linuxstbWhich config screen?
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20:16:41Mikachuuh sorry, i meant the text entry screen
20:16:51Mikachui used the write .cfg as a test
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20:25:33linuxstbSounds good to me - I agree that when we need four direction keys, we shouldn't use the clickwheel. What do you map to delete?
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20:37:41yeahxman ogg drains so much power
20:37:45yeahxhow disapointing
20:38:16yeahxI want to listen to more for more than 2 hours :)
20:39:15yeahxno off for backlight yet?
20:42:18muesli__mr down again?
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20:44:05RoyalMikehey do you guys know if gameboy roms work on ipod colour?
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20:59:16linuxstbyeahx: Someone did some tests with Ogg on a Nano, and got about 7.5 hours.
21:07:49Mikachulinuxstb: same as before
21:07:54Mikachuselect on the input line
21:10:18yeahxI saw that too
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21:11:03yeahxbut I only listened to maybe 2 hours and when I just started under original firmware to charge it was pretty low
21:11:17yeahxI dont think my headphones drain that much
21:11:36yeahxmaybe with the sound down with no headphones it could go 7.5 :)
21:11:48allixdoes the ipod port support flac and ogg?
21:11:59yeahxflac, hahaha
21:12:04Mikachu(i think flac is a bit silly on a dap)
21:12:04yeahxperfect for portables
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21:12:33yeahxI guess ogg is too, Ive waited years to play ogg on an ipod too
21:12:53Mikachuogg is good, smaller files = more music
21:13:11allixive just ordered a iaudio m5 , as it has flac and ogg support
21:13:18allixi was not sure if rockbox could
21:13:24allixon ipod anyway
21:13:38yeahxyour funny :)
21:14:04Mikachuwhat about his funny?
21:14:12allixi might be able to cancel it
21:14:25allixit will be g5, is that ok?
21:15:02yeahxflac for portable use
21:15:07yeahxsorry Im just really tired
21:15:24allixit just not mention anything there about g5
21:15:27yeahxand I dont understand some sound formats
21:16:04linuxstballix: Yes, the 5g is getting better every day. The FAQ needs updating.
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21:21:49Mikachulinuxstb: should i put that patch in the tracker?
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21:28:43linuxstbYes please. I don't have time to look at it now.
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21:30:38*linuxstb is listening to skip-free 320kbps MP3 on his ipod 5g...
21:31:27*petur points to his H340 doing the same :D
21:31:39*Mikachu points to his athlon 2600+
21:32:14linuxstbI've got the LCD updates at 42fps now
21:32:14*t0mas points to his athlon 3200+
21:32:19Mikachudamn :(
21:32:28*t0mas prods lostlogic
21:32:38t0mastime to show your Athlon X2 ;)
21:32:46yeahxis there a guide for formats and bitrate battery usage for the ipod in general?
21:32:47peturathlon 64 3500+ 'venice' anyone?
21:33:11t0masfor free? ;)
21:33:24linuxstbyeahx: It hasn't been written yet. Feel free to contribute:
21:33:43Mikachumaybe it will be easier to determine after the battery display is added..
21:38:14yeahxoh yeh I came accross the runtime thing on there
21:39:20yeahxit wouldn't help with me cause I pause from time to time and have to turn it up loud due to noise
21:43:11allixi cannot cancel the order
21:43:27allixi could return it ,get the money back then get the opod
21:43:35allixits seems to much work
21:47:06yeahxwhat kind of player is that?
21:47:09yeahxIm sure its fine
21:48:09allixis video supported in g5 with rockbox?
21:48:38allixits a 20gb flac, ogg, mp3 ,wma hardisk based player
21:48:43Mikachui don't think rb has any video support?
21:49:07allixso all i would be gaining by using rockbox on ipod is 10 extra gb
21:49:23allixits also 15 pounds more
21:50:20allixthe iaudio m5 costs me 179 and the ipod 194.99
21:50:36allixm5 = 20gb , ipod = 30gb
21:50:45t0masah, didn't notice you were talking about the iaudio m5 player
21:50:54allixthats the one i ordered
21:51:16allixit was that or ipod
21:51:22allixi decided with m5
21:51:41allixas i did not know that flac and ogg was developed for ipod g5
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22:04:38t0masallix: afaik the ipod g5 just started working with rockbox
22:04:48t0masso you couldn't have known for long
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22:05:36allixi am sure iaudio is a fine portable player
22:08:03yeahxrockbox is more like an afterthought for some people
22:08:42yeahxsome want the ipod but they want the features of other players
22:08:44allixif i knew it could support flac and ogg , i would of got one
22:08:53allixthats me
22:09:33allixhow does it play ogg and flac ?
22:09:43allixi mean very people have heard of rockbox
22:09:45yeahxIve wanted to use ogg for a while but didnt want an iriver
22:09:48allixi am surprised
22:09:53peturthe $Id line on top of a file is updated automatically on commit, correct?
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22:10:00linuxstbpetur: Yes.
22:10:05yeahxogg sounds nice on my nano
22:10:21allixdoes it play ogg completely?
22:10:27allixall qualities
22:10:38yeahxI havent tested enough
22:10:56allixif it does not, i don;t feel so stupid :)
22:10:58yeahxIm sure other people have
22:11:10allixthe webpage does not mention it
22:11:32yeahxI encoded a bunch of cd's to try it out yesterday
22:11:41safetydanSeriously, is there a reason the Bubbles plugin isn't include in the build?
22:11:52safetydanIt is, as they say, "teh awesome".
22:11:54linuxstbIs it in the patch tracker?
22:11:58safetydanno unfortunately
22:12:06safetydanslacker developers
22:12:21Paul_The_Nerdallix: It plays Ogg up to Q8 fine on iPod Nano (though if you enable equalizer settings AND replaygain, it can start underrunning)
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22:13:42Paul_The_NerdThey really should put bubbles on the patch tracker if it's not
22:13:44safetydanah, there might be reason he hasn't submitted it, claims the source code is messy
22:13:54Paul_The_NerdIt works fine on H120 and Nano, and I hear it works good on H3x0 as well
22:14:26linuxstbsafetydan: Everyone says that :)
22:14:26safetydanalready has CVS access
22:14:33safetydanwell I guess I'll just wait for him to commit it
22:14:40linuxstbWho is he?
22:14:41safetydanSoftware is never finished. It's just abandoned.
22:14:43yeahxI heard there is gameboy for iriver rb, true?
22:15:08linuxstbyeahx: Yes.
22:15:09safetydanlinuxstb, not a clue. Goes by "RotAtoR" on misticriver
22:15:26linuxstbOK - he wrote Bejewelled as well.
22:15:43yeahxis some one working on it for nano?
22:15:44allixso 9 and 10 will not work?
22:15:54Paul_The_NerdYeah, and never submitted the bejeweled patch that makes it use external bitmaps, did he?
22:16:01linuxstbyeahx: No, but it doesn't need very much work.
22:16:03Paul_The_Nerdallix: 9 and 10 aren't tested.
22:16:03yeahxnes on nano would be cool
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22:16:52Paul_The_Nerdallix: Honestly though, do 8 itself is overkill, don't you think?
22:17:35Paul_The_NerdBut 9 and 10 might work, I can't really say. I just know that 8 with replaygain and equalizer enabled will start showing signs of problems every now and then
22:17:37allixdoes applying the patch take anything away from the apple firmware?
22:17:43linuxstbRockboy (that's the name of the GB emulator) runs on my 4G color, and also on the 5G. But the button mapping needs fixing (currently only the direction keys and start are mapped to something), and it also needs adapting for the Nano's small LCD (it's smaller than a GB's LCD)
22:17:50Paul_The_Nerdallix: Applying the patch?
22:18:03allixfirmware i mean
22:18:16linuxstbInstalling Rockbox on your iPod (or anything else) is like installing Linux on a Windows PC. You can dual-boot.
22:18:29allixi did not know that
22:19:14linuxstbOn some players you have the option of completely removing the original firmware, but it's never compulsory.
22:19:28allixdual boot would be ideal
22:19:45linuxstbOn the ipod you have triple-booting - you can use ipodlinux as well if you want to.
22:19:54allixbecause i am not sure if rockbox can play videos and display phoots
22:20:15allixalthough videos as such a small size suck
22:20:15yeahxis there a way to have apple's default instead?
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22:20:31allixhence i chose m5 not x5
22:20:54linuxstbyeahx: Yes - you (or anyone else) can edit the source code to the bootloader and change it.
22:21:30linuxstbgotta go. back later.
22:22:55allixi reckon if rockbox was widely known many mp3 alternatives would not be bought
22:23:14allixwhoever i speak to buy non - ipods for the formats they can play
22:23:31peturrockbox as sales arguement ;)
22:24:01allixits a bit like psp
22:24:04blueylinuxstb: is it worse to use ipod linux loader2 instead of rockboot?
22:24:20blueyjust asking because i just installing and don't know how stable loader2 is
22:24:23yeahxyeh but good
22:24:27allixthats what i am thinking can rockbox fuck up a ipod
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22:24:53allixit cannot
22:25:04allixotherwise would you guys be using it
22:25:06peturbluey: [22:21] <linuxstb> gotta go. back later.
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22:27:54yeahxallix have you considered a gp2x?
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22:28:08allixit only supports 1 gb
22:28:30yeahxoh right I forgot you want a HD player
22:28:49allixive payed for the m5
22:29:52allixit only has 20gb instead of 30gb ipod
22:31:32yeahxthat will do
22:32:55NicoFRlinuxstb: you can probably help me on this... i was trying to add a setting for my backlight-navi patch (1406891) and i realised intercepting NAVI presses in the button driver probably isn't the right thing to do
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22:33:29NicoFRand especially settings that interfere with firmware doesn't feel right...
22:33:53NicoFRso i was wondering where i could filter button presses on apps side
22:33:54yeahxtrying to get the backlight to turn off?
22:34:17NicoFRyeahx: getting it to turn on when NAVI is pressed
22:34:42yeahxI want to turn off the backlight
22:34:45NicoFRit already works but there is no setting for it
22:34:52NicoFRthre is a function for that
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22:35:20yeahxactually its weird, holding menu in apple firmware doesnt turn on backlight on my nano
22:35:41yeahxeven the plastic wrapped around it said that on it and Im used to it from my previous ipods
22:37:34Bagderlinuxstb: neat lcd opt!
22:38:13yeahxhe's away I think
22:38:41NicoFRiirc there is still room for optimisation in the H300 lcd driver... is anyone working on it and what has to be done ?
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22:53:31Mikachuwhy would replaygain use more cpu?
22:54:09aegraylinuxstb: nice work :)
22:54:14aegrayi'll have to see it to believe it though
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22:55:31safetydanMikachu, extra pass over the audio to apply the gain
22:55:45Mikachucan't you just modify the overall volume instead?
22:55:56Mikachuor is the granularity too low?
22:56:42safetydanprobably the granularity is too low
22:56:46BHSPitLappyamazing work, you guys!
22:56:47safetydanbut that's just a guess
22:57:30safetydanIf you want the details, it's in dsp.c around line 703
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22:57:54safetydanor dsp_process() to see what's being done to your audio before playback
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22:59:41Learsafetydan: mainly because by working the audio directly, before scaling to 16 bits, you can avoid clipping.
23:00:06Learand you don't need to worry about exactly when the track change is actually heard. :)
23:01:49safetydanclipping too yeah
23:01:50Mikachuwouldn't it make sense to apply the gain in the same loop that writes the audio?
23:01:54safetydanshould have thought of that
23:03:09Learmikachu: what if the gain shouldn't be applied for some reason? then you'd have to do checks in the loop, or always multiply with 1.0, or something...
23:03:15Learor duplicate loops...
23:03:43Mikachuyou already have duplicate loops now
23:03:51Learin short, keeps things simpler. And with iram buffers, the cost isn't that large.
23:04:15Learbut adding the replaygain case would make things worse.
23:04:37Shadowarrior13I seriously just installed rockbox in like, 7 minutes. I've done this too much.
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23:04:41Shadowarrior13Over the span of like, 5 days.
23:04:47Mikachuyou could have if dsp->replaygain and have apply gain and write samples in a loop there, and in the other case, just a loop that writes the samples
23:04:57safetydanmultiple passes over the same data may actually be quicker than branchy code on some architectures as well
23:05:22LearBut for dithering, it has to be a separate loop, only way to do it properly.
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23:06:08safetydanalso, the source is there, try moving things around and see if it goes faster
23:06:22Mikachudo you have a top plugin? :)
23:06:27Shadowarrior13Alright, wtf/
23:06:33safetydanlook at the debug menu
23:06:36Mikachuoh yeah
23:06:45Shadowarrior13Seriously, I've done this from scratch so many times. And I keep getting the SAME EXACT GLITCH.
23:06:45safetydanthe audio thread stuff should give you the boost ratio
23:07:10Mikachuhm the apply_gain has a comment about having to apply before resample, so i guess it would be too confusing
23:07:21Shadowarrior13Any 5G experts in here?
23:07:46allixdoes anyone have any screenshots of rockbox on ipod g5?
23:08:03imphasingI hear there's 42fps on the 5G ipod...
23:08:11Shadowarrior13I WOULD if the fucking rockbox WORKED on mine.
23:08:34Mikachui keep reading his nick as linuxstd
23:08:39Shadowarrior13And I'm about to throw my ipod at you.
23:08:56MikachuShadowarrior13: i can give you my address if you want to throw it here
23:08:59NicoFRthrow it at me :D
23:09:09Papricahow can i check the fps?
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23:09:24*RotAtoR 's ears are burning
23:09:27NicoFRPaprica: i think you need a special plugin
23:09:27Shadowarrior13Seriously, is there any possibility that the problem isn't my installing, but my ipod is somehow different from everyone elses? :P
23:09:40RotAtoRI suppose I should finally get around to committing by bejeweled patch...
23:10:03allixShadowarrior13: it could be that you have a new firmware
23:10:12MikachuRotAtoR: what did you change?
23:10:24Bagderor rather have the old
23:10:35Shadowarrior13I'll try 1.1, though I hate it.
23:10:36Paul_The_Nerdallix: The version of his firmware wouldn't affect *inside* of rockbox so much.
23:10:42Shadowarrior13Or not.
23:10:57RotAtoRMikachu: lots of stuff: speed fixes, graphics fixes, uses external bitmaps, support for more targets
23:11:10Paul_The_NerdShadowwarrior13: From what you've described, it sounds like either a bug in rockbox, or a hardware problem with your player's USB port.
23:11:15allixdoes it have lyrics ?
23:11:23allixsomehow on iaudio you can
23:11:24Mikachucould you change the keybinds for ipod 4g to use the click buttons for moving while you're at it?
23:11:35Shadowarrior13I don't see why it would have a problem with USB, it's working.
23:11:36RotAtoRMikachu: already done ;)
23:11:47Mikachuah, good
23:12:13Shadowarrior13I'd like to try doing what you said and see if it fixes it.
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23:13:28Shadowarrior13And he leaves.
23:16:31BHSPitLappyso who has a 5G, and has tested the new hotness?
23:16:59imphasingI'm working on it
23:17:04Shadowarrior13The new hotness doesn't work >.<
23:17:11imphasingYou're not doing it right.
23:17:14Shadowarrior13I'm gonna try a bleeding edge build.
23:17:24Shadowarrior13I've done it right numerous times, as well as other people doing it right for me :P
23:17:31Shadowarrior13Same friggin results.
23:17:33imphasingIt always works fine for me..
23:17:37Shadowarrior13Well, I hate you.
23:18:00BHSPitLappyShadowarrior13: well duh, it -just- made into cvs
23:18:09BHSPitLappyimphasing: what's taking so long?
23:18:32imphasingI have to build it.
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23:19:42BHSPitLappyimphasing: isn't there a bleeding edge build for the 5g now?
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23:19:58Shadowarrior13Would me having a 60gig have anything to do with it?
23:20:04Shadowarrior13And yes, there is.
23:20:11NicoFRprobably not
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23:20:17Shadowarrior13Just wondering.
23:20:20NicoFRwhat's the problem exactly ?
23:20:26BHSPitLappy :P
23:20:31Shadowarrior13Boots up to the rbx logo, then a stuck USB logo.
23:20:45BHSPitLappyShadowarrior13: umm, unplug the usb
23:20:48Shadowarrior13Can't do anything about it, and I've used a million different rockboxes.
23:20:54Shadowarrior13There -is- no USB plugged in :P
23:21:07BHSPitLappythat's what -you- think
23:21:14Shadowarrior13*looks at ipod*
23:21:18Shadowarrior13*looks at BHS*
23:21:28*BHSPitLappy looks at toothpaste
23:21:33Mikachuwhat happens if you boot it with the cable in?
23:21:38Shadowarrior13You got your toothpaste in my peanut butter!
23:21:41Shadowarrior13Same thing.
23:21:43BHSPitLappyit gets f
23:22:00BHSPitLappyYou got peanut butter on my toothpaste!
23:22:08*BHSPitLappy tastes
23:22:14*BHSPitLappy looks surprised
23:22:21*BHSPitLappy vomits all over Shadowarrior13
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23:22:50sw13wtf was that
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23:23:13linuxstbShadowarrior13: If you're around in an hour or so, then I can make a test build for you.
23:23:17*linuxstb leaves again...
23:23:23sw13I'll probably be here :P
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23:24:17markunlinuxstb: do you have the hi-res rockbox logo or know where I can download it?
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23:27:12markunBagder: you there?
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23:27:40Bagdera bit
23:27:54markundo you know where I can download the hi-res rockbox logo?
23:28:07Paul_The_NerdSorry 'bout that. I'm getting tired of things that say "X will now restart your computer" rather than "Would you like X to restart, or would you rather do it yourself?"
23:28:21Bagderhang on
23:28:25Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: Isn't it included in the manual package now?
23:28:30markunis it?
23:28:50MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: many years ago when i ran windows, there was a small app called antishutdown which would block such attempts
23:28:54Paul_The_Nerd3540 by something PNG
23:29:06Paul_The_NerdIncluded in the manual package.
23:29:31Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I'll have to look into that at some point.
23:29:51markunBagder: I'll try not to loose it again
23:29:56Bagderno worries
23:30:36markunHm, I only see ROCKBOX, not the rest
23:31:44markunah, alpha channel problem
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23:40:50imphasing_My rockbox bootloader didn't do anything..
23:41:12sw13I at least GET a bootloader
23:41:54imphasing_I've never built a bootloader for a 5G before though
23:42:22sw13Then it sux on the loading rockbox.
23:42:25Bagderthe 5g install procedure has some different step compared to the 4g
23:42:33sw13I didn't have to, there's a precompiled bootloader :P
23:42:40sw13Yeah, you have to get the broadcom chip firmware.
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23:43:17imphasing_Bagder: I extracted the broadcom firmware, and the image is in the same dir
23:43:19allixso its good i did not buy a ipod
23:43:20imphasing_so that should work fine
23:43:27allixits sounds like its not working on g5
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23:44:01Shadowarrior13It'll be extra leet when it DOES work though.
23:44:32imphasing_Ok, bootlaoder is working
23:44:37imphasing_time to extract the zip
23:44:54Shadowarrior13If you get it, give me EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
23:46:35imphasing_works fine
23:46:37imphasing_and HOT DAMN
23:46:44Shadowarrior13.....fuckign serious, you got it?
23:47:02Shadowarrior13Dude, gimme your bootloader/rockboot.
23:47:08imphasing_HIGH FPS.
23:47:13imphasing_Who got this figured out?
23:47:15imphasing_And how?
23:48:59Shadowarrior13Come over here...
23:49:05MikachuRotAtoR: hm, it still feels a bit slow, is it possibly to make it so that when more than one line falls, everything falls at once, instead of the next line waiting for the previous one?
23:50:01MikachuRotAtoR: i also don't feel it makes sense to bind both direction clicks _and_ scrolling
23:50:10MikachuRotAtoR: it just gives unwanted movements when you move your finger to another button
23:50:15BHSPitLappyimphasing_: what part of "42fps" didn't you understand before? :P
23:50:26imphasing_I want to know HOW though
23:50:36Shadowarrior13You know, I'd like to know HOW first.
23:50:37imphasing_did someone figure out some ARC instructions?
23:51:20Bagderimphasing_: I figure linuxstb tested and found out this works, but you gotta ask him to get to know for real
23:51:25imphasing_Ah, ok.
23:51:29imphasing_It's sexy.
23:51:36Bagderthe changes was very small as I guess you already noticed
23:52:23Bagder42 fps on the 5g makes the data transfer to the lcd faster than what it is on the 4g if my calcs are right
23:52:25*Shadowarrior13 jumps off of roof
23:52:52imphasing_Yeah, it seems like it.
23:53:14peturwell it needs faster throughput if the display is larger...
23:53:43allixi believe its based on ipodlinux
23:53:54Bagdernot this, no
23:53:56imphasing_It's going to be beautiful to be able to use rockbox for music, and retailos for movies.
23:54:01*imphasing_ sighs
23:54:05imphasing_No more itunesdb..
23:54:10Shadowarrior13I hate you, imphasing.
23:54:19Shadowarrior13Pure loathing.
23:54:19imphasing_I can send you my rockboot.
23:54:22imphasing_and my zip.
23:54:24Shadowarrior13Then I don't hate you.
23:54:40Shadowarrior13Don't forget the bootloader >.>
23:55:01peturI just found out that recording peak detection is only done on the last buffer in the callback - can somebody remember why this was done? proc load or just lazy? ;)
23:55:02Shadowarrior13Or wait...
23:55:06Shadowarrior13That was horribly stupid.
23:55:13Shadowarrior13Forget I said that >.<
23:55:59Bagderpetur: I would guess laziness, but if you check who did it you could try asking the person
23:56:22*petur thinks somebody is going to feel sorry when the spambots find the log of this channel :P
23:57:10Shadowarrior13I was wondering why that took a second to upload :P
23:57:30Mikachunew_wheel_value = ((status << 9) >> 25) & 0xff;
23:57:36Mikachuisn't that a bit redundant?
23:57:42*imphasing_ is transferring 9gb of music to his ipod
23:58:58imphasing_Hope you have fast internet.

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