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00:00:29 | [IDC]Dragon | does mame have sound? |
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00:01:02 | [IDC]Dragon | (probably needs to emulate FM synth, tricky) |
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00:02:02 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: Yes - it emulates whatever sound hardware the arcade machine had. There are a small number (currently about 12 I think) of cases where samples are used instead. |
00:02:31 | preglow | emulating fm synth isn't very tricky |
00:02:51 | [IDC]Dragon | aha, ok |
00:03:05 | * | [IDC]Dragon is a video guy |
00:03:06 | preglow | and besides, mame does usually emulate everything involved |
00:03:20 | preglow | slowly... but it does usually work |
00:03:25 | * | preglow is a sound guy |
00:03:26 | preglow | :-) |
00:03:40 | * | Bagder is a sleepy guy |
00:03:47 | * | [IDC]Dragon too |
00:03:49 | preglow | yes, yes indeed |
00:03:52 | * | muesli__ is a guy |
00:03:55 | muesli__ | :) |
00:04:13 | * | imphasing is a wannabe hardware guy |
00:04:13 | Bagder | you don't fool us you bot! |
00:04:17 | * | [IDC]Dragon says goodnight |
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00:05:32 | imphasing | er.. |
00:05:36 | imphasing | ah |
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00:22:40 | * | linuxstb doesn't know if mame is worth the hassle... |
00:22:51 | JdGordon | it is.... it is.... |
00:23:05 | Shadowarrior13 | Of course it is. |
00:23:08 | Shadowarrior13 | It's mame! |
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00:27:32 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: did anything become of the color chooser? |
00:27:42 | JdGordon | not yet.... |
00:27:47 | Zagor | personally I think we can just ignore the mame license trouble. they're not going to be upset unless we sell their code, which we have no intention of doing. |
00:27:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I know I personally would be more in favor of an NES, or other similar emulator, where at least it's only one set of hardware the program has to be optimized to do well. |
00:28:36 | saa[b_r]ider | paprica, are you there? |
00:28:53 | BHSPitLappy | when all those emus start coming out, everyone who doesn't have a 5G will feel left out :( |
00:29:09 | Zagor | and part of the reason we added plugins in the first place was just to be able to let people write whatever plugins they want, without having to care about the rockbox license and rules. |
00:29:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why will non-5g owners feel left out? |
00:30:03 | Zagor | if we don't mind distributing the mame code, nobody else will beat us up over it either |
00:30:05 | Bagder | Zagor: I don't think we can rule out that someone will sell Rockbox on units |
00:30:09 | amiconn | o.o |
00:30:09 | Bagder | and I know it has already happened |
00:30:19 | Zagor | bagawk: definitely, but then it's their problem. not ours. |
00:30:27 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: because a NES emu, for instance, won't work on anything lower than that QVGA res... I've tried the scaling, and it's just unusable |
00:30:27 | amiconn | Somehow the browsing extensions made jpeg slower on H300, and faster on archos... |
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00:31:01 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: and I understand there are/will be other players with bigger, higher-res screens |
00:31:03 | Bagder | but us including the code will give people the impression that it is GPL compatible |
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00:31:12 | Bagder | which it isn't |
00:31:30 | Bagder | and thus we violate the GPL by distributing mame parts |
00:31:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: The nes was at 256x224 natively. For games without a lot of text, it could be scaled quite reasonably. It may not look as pretty as it could, but it'd work. |
00:31:50 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder: why does every plugin -have- to be included in the CVS? |
00:31:51 | Zagor | impressions are for weak minds. :-) so we'll have to add a big notice "beware: plugins may have different licenses" |
00:32:06 | Bagder | BHSPitLappy: ? they don't |
00:32:20 | Bagder | Zagor: but we can't distribute any of that |
00:32:34 | amiconn | Btw, is the doom source gpl or -complatible? |
00:32:36 | Zagor | we only violate gpl by FSFs interpretation. I'm not sure I agree with it. |
00:32:39 | JdGordon | sorry to go ot.. but i need help... i have a program that needs to be ported to linux (all the code should work, just need gcc to compile it), anyway, it uses a few .lib files which i dont have the code to.. is it ok to assume it could work without them needing to be recompiled also |
00:32:40 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder: and if a company is planning on selling a player with rockbox, of course they talk to us and make a version that has what they want it to have. |
00:32:40 | JdGordon | ?? |
00:32:41 | amiconn | *compatible |
00:32:52 | Bagder | Zagor: no, we violate it by all means if we distribute mame code |
00:33:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: The Doom source is GPL |
00:33:22 | Zagor | Bagder: why would we do that? |
00:33:23 | Bagder | BHSPitLappy: perhaps but nothing would force them to |
00:33:32 | amiconn | Okay, so we could include rockdoom (?). The datafiles are another matter |
00:33:55 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder: "and thus we violate the GPL by distributing mame parts" |
00:33:55 | Bagder | Zagor: because all plugins that aren't in CVS bitrot quickly ;-) |
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00:34:12 | Bagder | BHSPitLappy: yes. if we distribute mame code we violate gpl |
00:34:15 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder: why would rockbox be distributing mame parts? that part escapes me |
00:34:16 | Zagor | there's nothing saying that all code you distribute in a package has to be the same license. no linux distro is single license. |
00:34:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Basically, I think you can freely redistribute the shareware data file, but I'm not 100% how the license on it goes other than "This is shareware. Have fun." |
00:34:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: All commercial versions are still all rights reserved for the data, afaik. |
00:34:46 | Bagder | Zagor: no, but in this case we must |
00:34:49 | amiconn | Afaik, data files don't need to be gpl compatible |
00:34:53 | Zagor | ...because? |
00:35:05 | Bagder | Zagor: because it is _clearly_ a hard connection |
00:35:29 | Bagder | and btw |
00:35:35 | Bagder | the MAME license says distribute |
00:35:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I'm pretty sure they don't, since they aren't linked to the code in any way. It'd be like saying anything you write in a GPL word processor has to be GPL-equivalent licensed. ;-) |
00:35:46 | Bagder | it seems to restrict us |
00:37:14 | Zagor | would you say rockbox plugins more hard-connected than binaries running on linux? why? |
00:37:24 | Bagder | yes indeed I say so |
00:37:49 | ashridah | Zagor: because binaries on linux use the system call interface, which iirc, GPL explicitly defines as non-linking. |
00:37:57 | preglow | i'd agree |
00:38:07 | ashridah | (or implicitly, i forgot :) ) |
00:38:15 | preglow | plugins are even hard coded to load in a specific address only used by rockbox |
00:38:17 | Zagor | there's no such provision in the gpl |
00:38:21 | ashridah | whereas rockbox plugins are mapped into rockbox's memory space. |
00:38:58 | linuxstb | For the record, my Mame plugin is just using fopen/fread/fwrite/fclose, button_status() and lcd_update(). |
00:39:08 | Bagder | this is tricky area |
00:39:21 | Bagder | there aren't many prejudice cases on this |
00:39:24 | Zagor | linux binaries are mapped into linux' memory space too. (not the kernel, but that's for technical reasons, not legal) |
00:39:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: fopen ?? |
00:39:36 | Bagder | and FSF's opinions are often claimed to be the truth |
00:39:37 | linuxstb | :) |
00:39:43 | linuxstb | open/read/write/close.... |
00:40:08 | * | amiconn feels like nitpicking today ;) |
00:40:26 | linuxstb | Mame used the stream functions - I had to change them all.... |
00:40:46 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, but I'd say their dynamic linking claims are pretty thin. |
00:40:53 | JdGordon | whats the command to compile a .c to a shared object with gcc? |
00:41:06 | Zagor | but above all, we are the copyright owners. if we don't mind, who would? |
00:41:19 | ashridah | JdGordon: −−shared or -shared or something |
00:41:20 | Bagder | but we use LOTS of other GPL code |
00:41:28 | JdGordon | ta |
00:41:32 | Zagor | ah, true |
00:41:37 | ashridah | JdGordon: keep in mind it's really a flag that's passed to the linker |
00:41:44 | Bagder | and think we should rather think of the spirit of these licenses |
00:42:30 | linuxstb | If you think of Rockbox as an operating system, and plugins as the applications, then IMO it is within the spirit of the GPL. |
00:42:33 | Bagder | anyway, now I'll go to sleep |
00:42:38 | ashridah | Bagder: i'd agree there. it's better to observe the strict letter of the licenses, since violating them may well give you trouble if someone DOES raise it as an issue later |
00:42:39 | preglow | bools are chars in rockbox? |
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00:45:02 | Zagor | preglow: they are what the compiler decides them to be. we use the bool type, not a typedef. |
00:46:07 | preglow | ok, so asm code just has to assume |
00:46:46 | preglow | linuxstb: fixed the crashing bug |
00:46:57 | Zagor | i don't know. sounds like there should be a better way than guessing though... |
00:48:02 | Zagor | s/sounds/feels/ |
00:48:28 | preglow | linuxstb: and again, i have no idea if it actually has any impact |
00:52:00 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you have a new patch, I can try it now. |
00:52:21 | preglow | linuxstb: and btw, does the dac just skip the lower sixteen bits of the data i pass it altogether? |
00:52:26 | preglow | linuxstb: it doesn't sound like it's used at all |
00:52:35 | linuxstb | I would assume so. |
00:52:52 | preglow | ok, i'll just assume that for now, it shaves off one instruction |
00:52:57 | preglow | gimme a sec and i'll give you a new patch |
00:53:03 | linuxstb | In fact, the DAC never sees the bottom 16-bits - the I2S transfer is 16-bit |
00:54:24 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/asm_fiq.patch |
00:54:44 | linuxstb | I've got some test tracks that don't manage to keep the PCM buffer full. If your new fiq routine has any impact, then I should be able to see it there. |
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00:58:18 | linuxstb | Yes - it's definitely a small improvement. My test track (128kbps AAC) can now keep the PCM buffer full (just about). |
00:58:51 | preglow | ok, so i should commit it? |
00:59:14 | linuxstb | If you trust it's reliable, then yet. |
00:59:36 | preglow | well, it seems reliable to me |
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01:00:04 | preglow | i'll keep the original c code in there as well |
01:00:10 | preglow | for reference and for debugging if something is wrong |
01:00:23 | linuxstb | Seems fine to me. |
01:00:41 | linuxstb | My ogg -q 10 test is also filling the pcm buffer. |
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01:02:04 | preglow | hmm |
01:03:18 | preglow | i wonder what is fastest when the code is in iram, loading a constant via ldr or generating it with two instructions |
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01:06:32 | ep0ch | preglow: no problems with your patch here either |
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01:08:03 | IcyStorM | Hello whats new in the "iPod Video" bleeding edge build |
01:08:17 | ep0ch | since when |
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01:09:31 | joesomebody | forums are down |
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01:10:24 | joesomebody | can anybody here do anything about it? |
01:10:43 | linuxstb | no |
01:10:57 | joesomebody | dang |
01:11:01 | Zagor | joesomebody: the forum is run by Jeff from Misticriver |
01:11:30 | joesomebody | i think misticriver is down too....i guess he had a server crash |
01:11:59 | Zagor | it just came up. i'm guessing the rockbox forum will too soon. |
01:12:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Misticriver's been up for an hour or two for me. |
01:12:15 | joesomebody | ok |
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01:12:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: If you look at the changelog on the main page, you can see a list of all changes. |
01:13:10 | joesomebody | Connection Problems |
01:13:12 | joesomebody | Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. |
01:13:31 | joesomebody | thats what i get for rockbox forums...i hope they come back up today |
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01:15:03 | Febs | You should get in touch with gl on the developers' mailing list. The two of you can console each other while you wait for the forum to come back up. |
01:15:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
01:15:55 | joesomebody | thanks alot.... |
01:16:07 | preglow | hahah |
01:16:14 | joesomebody | very funny.... |
01:16:23 | muesli__ | Febs so no rumours... ;) |
01:16:31 | Febs | lol. |
01:17:00 | Febs | joesomebody, if you're on an iriver platform, there are some very active Rockbox forums at Mistic River. |
01:17:18 | muesli__ | just wanted to spread the news in early stage... |
01:17:31 | muesli__ | in=at |
01:17:55 | preglow | seems i can squeeze a bit more out of this fiq |
01:18:58 | preglow | my nano screen is really starting to look like a bag of shit :/ |
01:19:01 | joesomebody | sorry, but i am using the 5g ipod...and am currently learning C, and becoming more skilled in Linux |
01:19:18 | joesomebody | Brasso does the trick on ipod screens |
01:19:30 | joesomebody | i think it is like three bucks at walmart |
01:19:45 | Shadowarrior13 | I can never find brasso >.< |
01:19:49 | preglow | not too many walmarts around here |
01:19:54 | Febs | Sorry, I don't mean to give you a hard time. It's just that there's a guy on that mailing list who gets frantic every time the forums go down for a couple of minutes. |
01:21:43 | preglow | hah |
01:23:05 | joesomebody | target sometimes has it |
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01:23:25 | joesomebody | and if worse comes to worst, get it off the internet, or order some icleaner |
01:24:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does brasso handle deep scratches well? |
01:24:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I accidentally put my keys in a pocket with them. I pulled them out *immediately* but there's a big cross shaped scratch in the middle now. |
01:25:32 | Shadowarrior13 | Ouch |
01:25:52 | Shadowarrior13 | Funnily enough, you know what also works good? |
01:26:06 | Shadowarrior13 | A dremel with a fuzzy polishing head on low rpm |
01:26:33 | Shadowarrior13 | Just make sure to take breaks, because it can bubble the screen. |
01:26:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think I want to take a dremel *anywhere* near my Nano's screen. |
01:26:42 | Shadowarrior13 | :P |
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01:32:11 | Bger | nite |
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01:38:23 | DrumRBoy320 | re. installing rockbox to the ipod 5g, i goto step c1. |
01:38:30 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/asm_fiq.patch |
01:38:30 | DrumRBoy320 | and it does not writa any file |
01:38:41 | Shadowarrior13 | What's step c1 again? |
01:38:44 | preglow | linuxstb: would be nice if you could check it out again, if it works on 4g, i'll commit it |
01:39:13 | DrumRBoy320 | c.1) Read the existing firmware partition from your iPod |
01:39:13 | DrumRBoy320 | Type the following command, replacing "N" with the number assigned to your ipod that you found in the previous step: |
01:39:13 | DrumRBoy320 | ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin |
01:39:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DrumRBoy320 |
01:39:13 | DrumRBoy320 | This should create a file (approximately 40MB for the iPod 4G and Color/Photo and 80MB for the Nano) containing a copy of the "firmware partition" on your iPod. |
01:39:22 | IcyStorM | I can help you |
01:39:24 | DrumRBoy320 | does it write to C:\\rockbox or to the ipod? |
01:39:25 | Shadowarrior13 | Did you put your iPods USB number in in place of N? |
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01:39:31 | DrumRBoy320 | yes, it is 2 |
01:39:32 | Shadowarrior13 | It writes to C:/rockbox |
01:39:35 | DrumRBoy320 | ah |
01:39:37 | DrumRBoy320 | ok then |
01:39:49 | Shadowarrior13 | It's the original bootpartition layout, save it. |
01:39:54 | Shadowarrior13 | It's where you put everything else in. |
01:40:03 | DrumRBoy320 | ok, ill copy it to my other drive also just incase ;) |
01:40:10 | Shadowarrior13 | :P |
01:42:53 | preglow | pcm_playback.c has SIMULATOR check in both SOURCES and the file itself |
01:42:58 | preglow | we prefer SOURCES ifdef jails, yes? |
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01:46:56 | linuxstb | preglow: About to test on my 4g now. |
01:47:18 | linuxstb | And yes, I think we prefer SOURCES checks. I can't think of a reason why it should be done twice. |
01:47:34 | preglow | it doesn't even have a complete jail in pcm_playback.c |
01:47:43 | DrumRBoy320 | hmm, problem, in the last step before you unplug for the first time, it says "no sutch file or directory" when i type the command |
01:47:44 | preglow | just some conditional header inclusion |
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01:48:01 | DrumRBoy320 | when i unplug it stays in the ipod f/w no reset |
01:48:45 | Shadowarrior13 | Did youy write the rockboot.bin to the iPod? |
01:48:48 | Shadowarrior13 | you* |
01:49:14 | DrumRBoy320 | C:\Rockbox>ipodpatcher -w 2 rockbox.bin |
01:49:14 | DrumRBoy320 | ipodpatcher v0.3 - (C) Dave Chapman 2006 |
01:49:14 | DrumRBoy320 | ~~blah blah~~ |
01:49:14 | DrumRBoy320 | rockbox.bin: No such file or directory |
01:49:35 | Shadowarrior13 | No, it's rockBOOT.bin |
01:49:38 | Shadowarrior13 | :P |
01:49:40 | DrumRBoy320 | AHA! |
01:49:42 | DrumRBoy320 | thank you |
01:49:44 | DrumRBoy320 | :D |
01:49:47 | Shadowarrior13 | No problem ^_^ |
01:50:47 | DrumRBoy320 | [INFO] Input file is 11193856 bytes |
01:50:47 | DrumRBoy320 | [INFO] Writing input file to device |
01:50:47 | DrumRBoy320 | [INFO] Wrote 11193856 bytes plus 0 bytes padding. |
01:50:48 | DrumRBoy320 | :D |
01:50:53 | amiconn | Ahahaha, sh-elf-gcc -O3 actually makes slower code than just -O |
01:51:03 | DrumRBoy320 | reseting |
01:51:13 | DrumRBoy320 | OH EM EF GEE! |
01:51:16 | DrumRBoy320 | it works |
01:51:31 | DrumRBoy320 | im so overjoyed |
01:51:48 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
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01:52:11 | Shadowarrior13 | You're lucky; first time I tried it was when 5G wasn't supported, and the USB bug was acting up. |
01:52:26 | linuxstb | preglow: Works fine for me on my 4g color. |
01:52:32 | Shadowarrior13 | THAT was frustrating right there. |
01:52:35 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, then it's commiting time |
01:53:28 | Jakob^ | [San], there? |
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01:57:45 | DrumRBoy320 | you know what would work... havin a rockbox DV file, built from the ID3 tags... the ID# is still there in teh ipod |
01:57:51 | DrumRBoy320 | DB* |
01:57:57 | DrumRBoy320 | ID3* |
01:58:04 | DrumRBoy320 | have it run in rockbox |
01:58:07 | Shadowarrior13 | That's already in development. |
01:58:12 | DrumRBoy320 | wow |
01:58:13 | DrumRBoy320 | :D |
01:58:16 | Shadowarrior13 | It just doesn't work for 5G. |
01:58:32 | DrumRBoy320 | ok, well, if i know rockbox at all... it will be ported easily |
01:58:34 | Shadowarrior13 | Freezes up. |
01:58:48 | DrumRBoy320 | then it just needs optomization? |
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02:01:01 | Shadowarrior13 | Hahaha, yeah |
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02:01:17 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm watching the IRC log get updated as we speak, this is crazy :P |
02:02:03 | preglow | linuxstb: you don't need the fiq_count variable anymore then, no? |
02:02:53 | DrumRBoy320 | lol |
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02:03:25 | linuxstb | preglow: No. |
02:04:32 | preglow | ok, i'll just remove it then |
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02:06:42 | preglow | ouch, what's happened to the build table |
02:07:09 | linuxstb | Too many broken sims... |
02:07:20 | preglow | what broke them? |
02:07:55 | linuxstb | I think safetydan's sdl sound work broke the win32 sims. |
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02:08:19 | preglow | pft, remove it! |
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02:10:52 | linuxstb | I agree, but then I don't use WIndows... |
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02:11:00 | Shadowarrior13 | Hehehe |
02:13:27 | preglow | i haven't used windows for months myself |
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02:21:07 | webguest32 | anyone idea ideas why the forums on rockbox.org are down? |
02:22:07 | Shadowarrior13 | Because nothing is perfect? |
02:22:23 | webguest32 | faiir enough |
02:22:33 | preglow | arghh |
02:22:37 | preglow | don't ask us |
02:22:37 | DrumRBoy320 | hmm, i propose a new plugin idea. |
02:22:45 | DrumRBoy320 | MP3 scretching with the ipod |
02:22:49 | DrumRBoy320 | scratching* |
02:22:50 | webguest32 | what if everyone was drunk like me. then would we be happy? |
02:22:52 | preglow | misticriver.net has the forums, as them |
02:22:56 | preglow | ask |
02:23:07 | DrumRBoy320 | MR was down earlier |
02:23:09 | preglow | DrumRBoy320: not trivial |
02:23:15 | DrumRBoy320 | :) i know |
02:23:25 | DrumRBoy320 | it would just be so amazing |
02:23:26 | Shadowarrior13 | lol, everyone wants that |
02:23:40 | DrumRBoy320 | lol, im so brilliant, i have every idea |
02:23:42 | DrumRBoy320 | lol |
02:23:48 | Shadowarrior13 | Everyone else has had it first :P |
02:23:53 | webguest32 | you guys should totally drink more |
02:24:02 | Shadowarrior13 | You should be less of an alcoholic. |
02:24:18 | preglow | i would drink more if you'd start buying me more |
02:24:39 | webguest32 | thats probbally true |
02:24:56 | webguest32 | shadowarrior> your just jealous :P |
02:25:36 | Shadowarrior13 | Jealous of your alcoholism? Totally. |
02:27:30 | preglow | i will accept scotch as incentive to do feature requests |
02:27:36 | webguest32 | hey man. Alcoholics goto meetings. Im a drunk |
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02:29:13 | RoyalMike | yeah man |
02:30:01 | preglow | argh, can't the build finish already |
02:31:02 | RoyalMike | lets go bash some nerds |
02:32:16 | RoyalMike | just kidding you guys are alright |
02:33:56 | RoyalMike | preglow righto ill send tou scottish highkand scotland highland scotland scotch and you bould me one hell of a rockbox |
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02:34:23 | preglow | damn straight you will |
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02:36:16 | RoyalMike | Arghh typos everywhere |
02:36:35 | RoyalMike | Hhehehe scotlands cold but booze warms you up woohoo! |
02:36:49 | RoyalMike | can you program preglow? |
02:38:20 | RoyalMike | you should improve the rockboy for ipod4g for me so I can waste more time at work and illl bee forever indet |
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02:39:41 | imphasing | Woo for irssi. |
02:41:53 | RoyalMike | aww thats a no |
02:42:27 | RoyalMike | comeonnn i wana waste valuble company time and money |
02:43:47 | RoyalMike | "Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. " bah |
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03:03:04 | preglow | i'm out, night |
03:03:37 | midkay | night preglow |
03:12:14 | yeahx | hey midkay |
03:12:30 | midkay | hey yeahx - sorry for disappearing last night :) |
03:12:45 | yeahx | thats cool, stupid question I guess |
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03:13:20 | midkay | i didn't even notice you asked until you left. x-chat should have informed me, but for some reason it didn't.. :\ |
03:13:58 | midkay | and the answer is, i have no idea. :) |
03:14:05 | Shadowarrior13 | Heh |
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03:14:12 | JdGordon | does any1 know what the cygwin equivilant of __int64 is? |
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03:25:07 | asdfdsd | anyone with a h300 confirm working colour jpeg? |
03:26:25 | yeahx | I thought so |
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03:27:01 | asdfdsd | talking to me or someone else? |
03:27:12 | yeahx | midkay |
03:27:16 | yeahx | sorry |
03:27:19 | asdfdsd | np |
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03:29:05 | IcyStorM | Hello guys |
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03:33:51 | yeahx | hewo |
03:37:35 | midkay | yeahx, :) |
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03:39:31 | joesomebody | i have been getting txt files off of textfiles.com as well as other places...rockbox is good for reading ebooks |
03:39:49 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, the 100 char limit pisses me off :P |
03:39:55 | Shadowarrior13 | 1000* |
03:40:10 | joesomebody | yeah, the apple firmware sucks in that respect |
03:40:28 | tmorton | Anybody know if the latest rockbox lets me edit tags of recordings on an iriver HDD player? |
03:40:39 | joesomebody | i just downloaded the entire sourcecode to ebay lol |
03:41:01 | Shadowarrior13 | 0_o |
03:41:15 | Shadowarrior13 | lol, make your own ebay |
03:41:22 | joesomebody | its GPL |
03:41:24 | joesomebody | i think |
03:41:35 | joesomebody | as long as you leave the credits and don't use any ebay logos |
03:42:39 | yeahx | bored? |
03:43:03 | joesomebody | maybe |
03:43:04 | joesomebody | lol |
03:43:42 | joesomebody | it's 'nix based |
03:45:39 | joesomebody | i dumpsterdive for fun |
03:45:54 | JdGordon | find anything interesting? |
03:46:26 | joesomebody | see the finds section at http://www.dumpsterworld.com |
03:46:38 | joesomebody | i have an ongoing thread there |
03:47:13 | joesomebody | i found a p4 chip once, as well as the board, case, hd and keyboard...a lot of it was smashed though |
03:47:21 | joesomebody | the chip and hdd and board were good tho |
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03:50:47 | joesomebody | i hate how google has blocked some of the search strings used for finding hidden directories. |
03:50:58 | joesomebody | that is a fun pastime |
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03:52:44 | joesomebody | i guess i am just talking to myself here.... |
03:54:13 | Shadowarrior13 | You schitzo. |
03:54:27 | joesomebody | ... |
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04:07:31 | Mikachu | do you think this might be clever? |
04:07:40 | Mikachu | @@ -599,7 +600,7 @@ void usb_start_monitoring(void) |
04:07:40 | Mikachu | bool usb_inserted(void) |
04:07:40 | Mikachu | { |
04:07:40 | Mikachu | - return usb_state == USB_INSERTED; |
04:07:40 | Mikachu | + return usb_state == USB_INSERTED || usb_state == USB_POWERED; |
04:07:43 | Mikachu | } |
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04:12:40 | Mikachu | seems to work |
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04:17:05 | joesomebody | just found an open directory FULL of cool ebooks! http://lab.lpicn.org/pub/books/ |
04:18:38 | joesomebody | wow...there are hundreds |
04:19:05 | midkay | wow |
04:19:18 | Mikachu | that looks maybe not 100% legal |
04:19:25 | midkay | agreed |
04:19:29 | joesomebody | it is in china or japan...lol |
04:19:48 | joesomebody | as long as it isn't syngress i think it is ok tho |
04:20:39 | joesomebody | http://www.douzhe.com/down/ebooks/?C=D;O=A |
04:20:40 | joesomebody | lol |
04:21:04 | pyro | not 100% legal, I agree, I'm thinking around 87% or 88% legal |
04:21:26 | JdGordon | we need a pdf reader on rb |
04:21:54 | midkay | pyro, take the time to compute it right.. if my calculations are correct it's about 84.761% legal (rounded up). |
04:22:13 | JdGordon | i got 13.7% |
04:22:15 | JdGordon | ..? |
04:22:38 | midkay | JdGordon, did you carry over the two after multiplying the page radius by i? |
04:22:45 | midkay | yeesh. |
04:22:49 | JdGordon | ah bugger |
04:22:53 | joesomebody | it would be cool to have a pdf reader |
04:23:02 | Mikachu | i think you're missing the square root of pi too |
04:23:05 | joesomebody | or just convert the pdfs to high quality jpegs |
04:23:27 | joesomebody | i just downloaded war and peace on gutenburg |
04:23:30 | joesomebody | and some other stuff too |
04:23:36 | joesomebody | gutenburg is so cool |
04:23:57 | midkay | Mikachu, that comes after factoring the ratio of legal-to-illegal books to get the measure of the interior angle of the text. |
04:24:11 | Mikachu | ah yes |
04:24:30 | joesomebody | even more http://ictlab.tyict.vtc.edu.hk/~wywong/ms_certification_notes.html |
04:24:41 | joesomebody | lol |
04:24:55 | JdGordon | back to reality... i keep getting EXT3-fs error on 1 of my hdd.. is it likely to be a fucked disk? or the file system is just fucked? |
04:25:48 | joesomebody | sorry |
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04:26:30 | tmorton | so I take it (according to the manual) that track markers aren't supported? Is that true? |
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04:26:51 | Mikachu | tracks aren't sorted by the track number tag |
04:26:54 | Mikachu | if that's what you mean |
04:27:07 | joesomebody | forums still down |
04:27:16 | tmorton | Mikachu: I mean for recording, sorry |
04:27:23 | Mikachu | oh |
04:27:33 | Mikachu | no clue then :) |
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04:28:20 | tmorton | Similar to what the Sony MiniDisc recorder has−−basically, when it's recording and you hit a certain button, it inserts a track marker which means "start a new file here" |
04:31:02 | tmorton | oh, and what about editing the IDv3 tags of tracks? Is that possible? |
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04:33:49 | baobab68 | hi all |
04:35:16 | baobab68 | hmm, having just read the log, I guess I won't mention the forums are down then... |
04:35:37 | JdGordon | oh shit... r they down????? |
04:35:41 | JdGordon | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
04:36:36 | baobab68 | i take it you knew that JdGordon |
04:36:40 | baobab68 | :-) |
04:36:50 | JdGordon | ye... |
04:37:19 | baobab68 | well, looks like my work here is done then |
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04:45:23 | Mikachu | hay gais hav eyu heard i think the formsu r down?? |
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04:52:44 | imphasing | Mikachu: English? |
04:52:46 | imphasing | =/ |
04:52:55 | Mikachu | just joking |
04:52:59 | imphasing | :P |
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05:16:36 | DrumRBoy320 | does ipod support all WPS features that the iriver does? |
05:16:52 | DrumRBoy320 | ipod 5g |
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05:53:26 | dropandho | hey all! |
05:53:46 | dropandho | back again to report my usual...has anyone communicated to MisticJeff about the forum problem? |
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06:01:09 | XavierGr | wow Rockbox has a hrad time opening links to me |
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06:01:31 | dropandho | u mean u are havin trouble with the site? |
06:01:32 | XavierGr | yes |
06:01:32 | dropandho | yeah, likewise here |
06:01:32 | XavierGr | it will not respond now |
06:01:32 | dropandho | i thought it was a forum problem |
06:01:32 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dropandho |
06:01:32 | dropandho | but i cant get to the wiki page |
06:01:35 | dropandho | any1 hit up Linus? |
06:01:35 | XavierGr | I can't get to the main site now |
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06:01:35 | dropandho | quick...someone get Linus! |
06:01:35 | dropandho | hehe |
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06:16:15 | midkay | seems to be back up |
06:16:26 | XavierGr | yeah |
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06:23:28 | Hostile | hey guys |
06:24:46 | Hostile | Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this, but on my ipod the audio quality seemed lower in rockbox then in the apple firmwarE? |
06:24:49 | Hostile | firmware* |
06:25:35 | XavierGr | doubtfull, though I can't say that I am sure about it. |
06:25:51 | Hostile | Yeah idk maybe not |
06:26:23 | Hostile | Is there anyway to save the Bass and Treble settings? |
06:26:48 | XavierGr | they are not saved? |
06:27:59 | Hostile | Mine always reset to 0 after a shutdown, while other settings save |
06:28:18 | XavierGr | strange, it works on my iriver |
06:28:46 | Hostile | Quite possibly a bug |
06:29:36 | Hostile | I wish it had a sleep feature, besides a shutdown |
06:31:17 | XavierGr | I think it will be implemented sooner or later. |
06:31:29 | XavierGr | if the iPod has an RTC of course |
06:31:54 | Hostile | RTC? |
06:34:15 | XavierGr | real time clock |
06:34:33 | XavierGr | does it has a clock on ipod firmware? |
06:36:25 | Hostile | a clock? yes, apple firmware has sleep too |
06:36:55 | XavierGr | then it is possible |
06:37:15 | dropandho | yeah, we are back up |
06:37:24 | dropandho | but the forum still seems to be broken |
06:37:53 | Hostile | Ah yeah I noticed the forum was down I wanted to read some topics, learn a little more about rockbox |
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07:26:57 | kahm | any idea whats going on with the forums..? |
07:29:33 | Hostile | they are down, no idea when they are coming back up |
07:29:34 | Hostile | lol. |
07:30:36 | kahm | yikes. |
07:30:54 | Hostile | Well, thats just my take |
07:31:00 | Hostile | I have no clue why they are down |
07:31:12 | kahm | was the site recently down too or something |
07:31:24 | Hostile | I think so |
07:32:46 | kahm | amazing how easy it was to get this onto my ipod |
07:32:57 | Hostile | 5g? |
07:33:13 | kahm | 4g |
07:34:25 | Hostile | Ah |
07:34:44 | Hostile | I'm listening to music on my 5g with rockbox as we speak |
07:35:22 | kahm | I just there was battery status, i have no other problems with it whatsoever |
07:35:42 | kahm | other then a slight click between tracks, but it's damn close to gapless |
07:36:07 | Hostile | yeah battery will be soon I hope |
07:36:11 | Hostile | I want a sleep feature |
07:36:38 | kahm | these seem so easy to implement |
07:36:45 | kahm | i bet it wont be long. |
07:36:49 | kahm | they've come pretty far already. |
07:37:47 | Hostile | Sleep is possible since the iPod has a RTC |
07:38:22 | XavierGr | Praise the iriver port for the progress of iPod (and linuxstb, preglow of course) |
07:38:42 | XavierGr | iriver targets were the first devices that used software decoders in Rockbox |
07:38:49 | Hostile | XavierGr: like me using my new vocab word, RTC? |
07:38:51 | Hostile | lol |
07:38:59 | XavierGr | until then all targets used hardware decoders |
07:39:11 | Hostile | and iPod is using software decoders also, correct? |
07:39:17 | XavierGr | yes |
07:39:54 | XavierGr | archos targets have a chip that decodes mp3, that's why there are more formats for archos |
07:40:05 | XavierGr | ^there are no |
07:40:37 | kahm | is it normal for a small click with the lame gapless mp3s? |
07:41:20 | XavierGr | do you get this click when you change tracks too (forward, backward) |
07:41:34 | kahm | actually yeah i do |
07:41:37 | XavierGr | because I get this and it is considered as a bug AFAIK |
07:41:41 | kahm | ahh |
07:41:46 | kahm | that makes sense |
07:41:47 | XavierGr | so maybe this is it |
07:42:08 | XavierGr | I remember that I could get perfect lame gapless mp3s at least once with rockbox |
07:42:28 | kahm | it dosent do it all the time |
07:42:28 | Hostile | What are lame gapless mp3s? |
07:42:46 | kahm | Mp3s encoded with the LAME encoder have a little bit of extra info |
07:42:56 | XavierGr | if the mp3 is decoded with another encoder instead of lame rockbox can't do gapless |
07:43:06 | kahm | that, when used with the proper decoder, allow sample accurate decoding, so theres no gaps between mp3s |
07:43:09 | XavierGr | (at least on mp3) |
07:43:43 | Hostile | So basically a CD encoded with lame gapless you wouldn't notice a pause between tracks? |
07:43:48 | XavierGr | (correct me: if the mp3 is "encoded"... not decoded) |
07:43:52 | Hostile | a ripped cd * |
07:44:01 | XavierGr | yes |
07:44:19 | Hostile | I'm confused on the fact on why you'd want that? |
07:44:25 | kahm | like |
07:44:29 | kahm | a dj album perhaps. |
07:44:34 | kahm | when the beat needs to stay constant |
07:44:38 | kahm | you know what i mean? |
07:44:39 | Hostile | ohh I see |
07:44:43 | kahm | if one song goes into the next. |
07:44:45 | Hostile | so you can change beats without caps? |
07:44:49 | Hostile | gaps* |
07:44:55 | kahm | well it just flows into the next mp3. |
07:45:01 | Hostile | well right |
07:45:08 | Hostile | which would be a new beat for a dj ? |
07:45:15 | kahm | Xavier: i just noticed something |
07:45:23 | kahm | it works awesome if you let the trak play from the absolute beginning |
07:45:36 | kahm | like 4 tracks in a row had perfect gapless when i didnt touch it at all |
07:45:43 | XavierGr | maybe I am not sure... |
07:45:43 | Hostile | If someone will give me some gapless mp3s I can try it on my 5g ipod |
07:45:47 | kahm | maybe its a buffering thing |
07:46:08 | kahm | hostile: got aim? |
07:46:11 | Hostile | sure do. |
07:46:15 | kahm | whats your name |
07:46:23 | Hostile | bluedevil4210 |
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07:52:08 | kahm | gotta love LAME. |
07:52:48 | Hostile | Lame Ain't An MP3 Encoder. |
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08:03:48 | webguest20 | hello |
08:03:52 | kahm | ey there. |
08:04:16 | webguest20 | just wanted to say im using the rockbox on my ipod 4g greyscale lcd |
08:04:23 | webguest20 | great job guys keepit up :) |
08:04:29 | kahm | i just installed it tonight too |
08:04:30 | kahm | it's awesome. |
08:04:53 | webguest20 | dont know if anyone's reported this already or not, but I only seem to have problem with mp3 playback (clipping every 2-3 seconds) |
08:05:04 | webguest20 | FLAC playback works great :) |
08:06:27 | kahm | clipping? |
08:06:30 | kahm | i havent had any problems yet |
08:06:36 | kahm | are they high bitrate or anything |
08:06:40 | webguest20 | whats your ipod version? |
08:06:45 | kahm | mines just s 4g |
08:06:51 | kahm | a* 4g |
08:06:53 | webguest20 | the higher bitrate the mp3 the more clipping there is |
08:07:02 | webguest20 | but it does it with all mp3s as far as i can tell |
08:07:19 | webguest20 | weird, i thought all 4g users had this problem |
08:07:24 | Hostile | webguest20: I noticed that before go in the rockbox menus and reset all settings |
08:07:31 | Hostile | it fixed it for me |
08:07:37 | webguest20 | oh? |
08:07:39 | kahm | it's probably just too much for the decoding, i think that i read that if you turn of advanced features like eq and crossfeed and themes with the VU meaters it should help |
08:07:43 | webguest20 | I did boost bass on EQ a bit |
08:07:43 | Hostile | I have a 5g though |
08:07:48 | webguest20 | maybe thats what caused it |
08:07:48 | kahm | that might be it |
08:07:52 | kahm | i dont use any eq so |
08:08:10 | webguest20 | FLAC playback lacks some bass i thought |
08:08:29 | Hostile | webguest20: go to Manage Settings −−> Reset Settings |
08:08:34 | Hostile | and see if it fixes it for you |
08:08:40 | webguest20 | will do, thanks :) |
08:08:47 | kahm | i'm not sure but i know that by nature FLAC is suposed to be 100% identical to the original, so it shouldnt need anything |
08:09:01 | webguest20 | hehe |
08:09:02 | kahm | but i guess thats subjective :) |
08:09:03 | Hostile | I thought the flac support was good |
08:09:14 | webguest20 | it is |
08:09:20 | webguest20 | tey play perfectly |
08:09:26 | webguest20 | but ipod lacks bass in general imo |
08:09:35 | Hostile | the hard drive spins up more than normal with flac though |
08:09:39 | webguest20 | and the rockbox EQ is quite good |
08:09:40 | Hostile | ogg is flawless also |
08:09:49 | kahm | i havent even used flac before, i'm an audio engineer and i'm using a lossless format like mp3 more then anything, heh |
08:09:51 | webguest20 | havent tried ogg yet |
08:09:57 | Hostile | havent tried musepack though |
08:10:08 | webguest20 | mp3 isnt losless kahm |
08:10:15 | kahm | err lossy* is what i ment |
08:10:21 | webguest20 | ^^ |
08:10:35 | kahm | it's too late for me to be using those dang buzzwords |
08:10:44 | webguest20 | i have hi-end equipment and flac truly makes a difference |
08:10:55 | kahm | yeah im sure it really does |
08:11:08 | kahm | i take listening tests and when you really actually listen, mp3 clearly dosent cut it. |
08:11:10 | Hostile | I like Apple Lossless |
08:11:20 | Hostile | Rockbox plays that flawlessly too |
08:11:25 | webguest20 | well, mp3 is ok starting at 192kbps |
08:11:27 | kahm | but i dont always need to be in that critical listening mood to enjoy the music, so i dont like to waste my space on it |
08:11:30 | webguest20 | under that its really bad |
08:11:40 | kahm | you should try the LAME encoder using a preset called -aps |
08:11:42 | webguest20 | i wish rockbox played APE lossless |
08:11:49 | kahm | it's designed to be 100% transparent to the listener |
08:11:58 | webguest20 | yea, designed to ;) |
08:12:09 | kahm | and its virtually indistingishable to the original even to the developers. |
08:12:16 | kahm | You should give it a test, it's really incredible. |
08:12:20 | webguest20 | *shrugs* |
08:12:22 | webguest20 | i have |
08:12:26 | kahm | its a variable bitrate encoding method |
08:12:34 | Hostile | I use preset extreme on mp3 |
08:12:39 | kahm | yikes |
08:12:40 | kahm | lol |
08:12:42 | Hostile | its around 192kbs VBR |
08:12:47 | Hostile | VBR is the key with mp3 |
08:12:58 | webguest20 | i rip all to FLAC lossless using EAC |
08:12:59 | Hostile | it improves sound quality and file sizes |
08:13:05 | kahm | yay EAC |
08:13:26 | Hostile | I use abcde, a linux command line ripper. |
08:13:42 | Hostile | supports any encoder you can throw at it. |
08:14:07 | kahm | you could use LAME right with it then probably |
08:14:14 | Hostile | Yep. |
08:14:19 | webguest20 | well as long as i rip a perfect copy of the songs on the CD im happy, EAC does that perfectly so im not complaining :) |
08:14:35 | kahm | i just want a battery life indicator |
08:14:47 | kahm | and maybe i'll make a theme im content with, and then i'll shit myself. |
08:14:49 | Hostile | kahm: lame −−nogap |
08:14:49 | webguest20 | yea thatd be nice, bt its sure to come |
08:14:54 | webguest20 | id like ape support :P |
08:15:12 | kahm | oh i didnt even realize there was a switch for that hostile. |
08:15:13 | Hostile | webguest20: ape support? |
08:15:17 | Hostile | kahm: yep :) |
08:15:23 | Hostile | I'm a command line junkie |
08:15:27 | webguest20 | yea, ape playback support on the rockbox |
08:15:40 | webguest20 | ape is a lossless format like flac or aac |
08:15:41 | kahm | you mean monkeys audio right |
08:15:47 | webguest20 | yeah, monkeys audio |
08:16:10 | kahm | Im going to hit the hay |
08:16:12 | kahm | see you around |
08:16:17 | webguest20 | same here |
08:16:20 | webguest20 | its 8am |
08:16:22 | Hostile | later |
08:16:26 | webguest20 | thanks for ur help |
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08:16:34 | Hostile | i thought it did support ape |
08:16:47 | webguest20 | maybe it does, but i couldnt play my ape files on my ipod |
08:17:04 | webguest20 | they didnt even show in the director |
08:17:21 | Hostile | let me look |
08:17:36 | webguest20 | sure |
08:19:49 | Hostile | The codec is heavily x86-centric with lots of x86 assembly to speed up parts of the code - particularly a neural network. Unless it's very heavily optimized for 68K, it won't run real-time. And some compression modes (Extra high, Insane) probably won't run no matter how much you optimize it |
08:19:58 | Hostile | maybe not |
08:19:58 | Hostile | lol |
08:20:27 | webguest20 | hmm |
08:20:29 | webguest20 | that sucks |
08:20:38 | webguest20 | but makes sense |
08:20:41 | Hostile | iPod probably doesnt have enough horsepower for monkeys audio =\ |
08:20:59 | Hostile | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
08:20:59 | webguest20 | well ill convert them to flac for the ipod then |
08:21:05 | Hostile | read that for all the supported codecs |
08:21:43 | webguest20 | nice, thanks |
08:21:48 | Hostile | np |
08:21:59 | Hostile | hey webguest20 I'm gonna go to bed, I'm tireeedd |
08:22:03 | webguest20 | time for bed now, later and thanks again |
08:22:07 | webguest20 | hehe |
08:22:09 | webguest20 | both of us ^^ |
08:22:35 | Hostile | yeah night no prob man |
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08:25:20 | yeahx | I was just scrolling up on the recent discussion |
08:25:49 | warewolf | download the .cab file |
08:25:50 | warewolf | er |
08:26:06 | yeahx | sleeping, battery and turning off backlight will be pretty nifty |
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08:26:41 | yeahx | and yeah they move pretty fast so it could be soon |
08:26:42 | Hostile | yeahx: it does support turning of backlight |
08:26:53 | yeahx | not on my nano |
08:27:11 | yeahx | just a bug I think someone forgot :) |
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08:29:40 | yeahx | hmm I should update but I dont see any changes so I'll wait |
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08:34:34 | crashbox | i have a question to ask about rockbox |
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08:35:38 | Hostile | crashbox: shoot |
08:35:43 | crashbox | i have the source code for the rca lyra rd2780 if anyone is interested |
08:36:11 | crashbox | is there anyway i can get your help in making the rd2780 better like what you all did for the other mp3/pnp player |
08:36:50 | ghode|afk | Hostile: when you say sleepmode, do you mean auto shut down? |
08:37:40 | ghode|afk | just wondering since rockbox can do this already |
08:38:34 | crashbox | if it will help i have successfully used a serial cable and connected to the rd2780 and got an rrload screen for flashing over a new firmware / kernel build |
08:38:46 | crashbox | and have been able to find out its using UcLinux |
08:39:25 | yeahx | I last used my ipod this morning and it was left in apple firmware, when I pushed a button the screen came on and it was just where it left off, I think thats what he meant |
08:39:54 | Hostile | ghode|afk: no like a suspend |
08:39:58 | Hostile | like the apple firmware |
08:40:15 | yeahx | instead of 10 minutes later hitting a button and it booting back up cause it shut off completely |
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08:48:55 | HCl | yawn |
08:49:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 hours and 22 minutes at the last flood |
08:49:02 | * | HCl goes to update his rockbox |
08:49:35 | HCl | oi. |
08:49:41 | HCl | who removed my cvs access <.< >.> |
08:49:46 | * | HCl slaps people :/ |
08:50:04 | ashridah | when are you going to finish rockboy? :) |
08:50:37 | HCl | i wanted to take a look at the database frist |
08:50:38 | HCl | first |
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08:50:54 | HCl | but first i need my cvs access back >< |
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08:51:09 | HCl | who am i supposed to prod over that |
08:51:13 | HCl | and sheesh the channel has grown. |
08:51:20 | * | HCl prods Bagder |
08:51:26 | ghode|afk | HCl, i think Slasheri is working on a replacement |
08:51:35 | HCl | mmmm? |
08:51:36 | ashridah | HCl: the addition of H3xx and ipod owners tends to do that |
08:51:40 | * | HCl prods Slasheri |
08:51:43 | HCl | ashridah: *nods* |
08:51:49 | ashridah | ghode|afk: you're thinking of the tag cache |
08:51:50 | ghode|afk | "tagcache" |
08:51:58 | ashridah | i'm not sure that's the same thing |
08:51:58 | ghode|afk | yes |
08:51:59 | HCl | tag cache sounds different? |
08:52:02 | HCl | what does tag cache do |
08:52:16 | ghode|afk | builds data base on target |
08:52:20 | HCl | oh |
08:52:25 | HCl | that's fine :) |
08:52:55 | HCl | my side of the database mostly involves the searchengine and databox |
08:52:55 | ghode|afk | pretty sure it will be full DB too, but there is no patch yet or info |
08:53:27 | HCl | but as it is at the moment i can't even check out my cvs tree properly, heh. |
08:53:52 | Slasheri | HCl: please take a look 'http://ihme.org/%7Emiipekk/rockbox/tagcache_rev02.patch' |
08:54:07 | Slasheri | HCl: it's not yet ready, but includes the engine (with bugs) and api |
08:54:33 | ghode|afk | Slasheri: is there a wiki page for tagcache yet? |
08:54:36 | HCl | Slasheri: can you give some information on what it's supposed to do and how it'll work and what it'll support when its finished? |
08:54:42 | Slasheri | ghode|afk: hmm, probably not |
08:55:13 | ghode|afk | what HCl said :p |
08:55:22 | HCl | what kind of format does it use? still the normal database or? |
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08:56:04 | Slasheri | HCl: it will support all the searches tag database supported, and it includes more (genre searching for example). It allows building database background on the target, loading cache to ram or keeping on disk, and in future also song statistics info |
08:56:19 | HCl | what about backwards compatibility? |
08:56:19 | Slasheri | and it supports all the file formats supported by rockbox currently |
08:56:29 | HCl | how is the database stored on disk? |
08:56:33 | Slasheri | the database is not backwards compatible |
08:56:50 | Slasheri | it's stored about in 5 different files |
08:56:54 | HCl | well, that's going to be a problem then |
08:56:55 | HCl | that's good |
08:56:56 | Slasheri | master index, and tag lookup tables |
08:57:13 | HCl | i once proposed a multiple file database but people were heavily against that back then |
08:57:21 | Slasheri | but no other piece of rockbox software should access these files directly |
08:57:28 | Slasheri | those are accessed using the tagcache api |
08:57:47 | HCl | why do you use tree_context structures? |
08:57:54 | HCl | aren't they too generic to be in a database api? |
08:57:56 | Slasheri | HCl: using multipble files, allows updating the database without rebuilding it entirely |
08:58:03 | HCl | yea, exactly |
08:58:07 | Slasheri | hmm |
08:58:22 | HCl | say i were to adapt searchengine to work with it |
08:58:32 | HCl | i'd at the very least need an api that can work without needing a tree context |
08:58:35 | HCl | cause i simply won't have one. |
08:59:18 | Slasheri | hmm, you don't need that |
08:59:33 | HCl | mmm? explain? |
08:59:41 | HCl | let me fetch my searchengine source and see what it needs again |
08:59:59 | HCl | as far as i can remember it just needs basic operations like find $artist/$album/$song |
08:59:59 | Slasheri | look tagtree.c and all tagcache_ calls |
09:00 |
09:00:02 | HCl | and iterators over the list |
09:00:03 | Slasheri | those are the api |
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09:00:18 | HCl | is there an iterator to go over all artists/albums/songs in the database? |
09:00:20 | Slasheri | yeah, tagcache api supports that all |
09:00:23 | Slasheri | yes |
09:00:23 | HCl | k. |
09:00:24 | HCl | good |
09:00:27 | Slasheri | just check the code |
09:00:39 | HCl | you'll need to explain to me what the tree context does exactly |
09:00:48 | HCl | but i don't think it should be too hard to rewrite searchengin |
09:00:49 | HCl | e |
09:00:53 | Slasheri | there is no tree_context |
09:01:01 | HCl | o-o? |
09:01:18 | HCl | maybe i'm just looking at the wrong functions. |
09:01:28 | HCl | whats the function for searching / iterating named |
09:01:36 | Slasheri | tagcache_* |
09:01:45 | HCl | static int tagtree_search(struct tree_context* c, char* string) |
09:01:50 | HCl | i don't understand the tree_context there.. |
09:01:57 | Slasheri | no, that is not tagcache api |
09:02:04 | HCl | ah |
09:02:07 | HCl | *searches for the api* |
09:02:36 | Slasheri | look at the functions called from tagtree.c, not the functions declared as static in there :) |
09:02:53 | HCl | ahh. |
09:02:59 | HCl | i was looking at tagtree |
09:03:00 | HCl | my bad |
09:03:07 | Slasheri | so tagcache_search, tagcache_add_filter, tagcache_search_finish |
09:03:30 | HCl | :) looks good |
09:03:34 | Slasheri | :) |
09:04:14 | HCl | hmmm, get next fetches the next one? how does it work? since it just returns a bool.. |
09:04:50 | Slasheri | it returns true if there is a next entry. The tagcache_search struct contains the returned info |
09:05:02 | Slasheri | look at tagtree.c how the functions are used |
09:06:39 | HCl | hmm |
09:06:40 | HCl | well |
09:06:54 | HCl | i'll take a look at it later and just ask if i run into trouble when rewriting searchengine to work with it |
09:07:04 | Slasheri | sounds good :) |
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09:07:33 | HCl | i've been pretty busy with school the last half year, but i just reached semester 2 which will go at half the speed of the previous semester |
09:07:38 | HCl | so hopefully i'll have some more free time |
09:07:43 | HCl | college* not school. |
09:07:59 | Slasheri | :) yeah, i have been too busy with work also.. |
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09:10:20 | t0mas | hi |
09:10:28 | HCl | morning |
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09:16:38 | HCl | what's the status of gcc4 nowadays? |
09:16:48 | HCl | will rockbox compile properly for targets using gcc4? |
09:18:05 | ashridah | last i tried, no. |
09:18:11 | HCl | k. |
09:18:15 | ashridah | code size was too large for some of the codecs |
09:18:21 | HCl | odd |
09:18:22 | HCl | okay |
09:19:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | HCl: GCC 4 is used for the ARM targets only |
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09:19:20 | HCl | k |
09:19:29 | Bger | morning ;) |
09:19:53 | HCl | hmmm.. fresh checked out copy won't compile with my cross compiler.. |
09:19:59 | HCl | what's the recommended compiler for iriver nowadays |
09:20:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3.4.5 works for me. |
09:20:19 | HCl | Using m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.3, but apparently it's no good |
09:20:31 | HCl | i guess i'll upgrade to 3.4.5.. |
09:21:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd that it won't compile. What sort of problems? |
09:21:38 | HCl | hold on, the error scrolled off my screen.. need to compile again |
09:21:44 | Bger | wow, HCl, are you back ;) |
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09:21:56 | HCl | sorta, yes :p |
09:22:05 | XavierGr | Yeah, It is been sometime since I saw HCl active |
09:22:05 | Bger | hehe |
09:22:11 | HCl | *grins* |
09:22:20 | HCl | dsp.c: In function `apply_crossfeed': |
09:22:20 | HCl | dsp.c:487: error: can't find a register in class `ADDR_REGS' while reloading `asm' |
09:22:57 | Slasheri | HCl: remove the use of framepointer define from tools/configure |
09:23:15 | HCl | kay, i'll try that |
09:24:46 | HCl | didn't help.. |
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09:25:19 | Slasheri | it should fix that.. you need to re-run the configure script |
09:25:20 | Bger | HCl |
09:25:32 | Bger | are you building with logf ?:) |
09:25:34 | HCl | i reran it |
09:25:36 | HCl | yes, i am |
09:25:40 | HCl | is that broken? o.o |
09:25:48 | Slasheri | what did you remove? |
09:25:50 | Bger | it's broken there |
09:26:02 | HCl | hrm. i'm not going to like not having logf |
09:26:03 | HCl | but okay |
09:26:23 | Slasheri | oh.. |
09:26:36 | Slasheri | in fact you should _add_ -fomit-frame-pointer to the compiler options |
09:26:37 | Bger | u just can use the C version of the function... |
09:27:21 | * | HCl tries adding |
09:27:22 | Bger | apply_crossfeed() |
09:27:30 | Slasheri | HCl: add it to GCCOPTS |
09:27:33 | HCl | yea |
09:27:34 | HCl | just did |
09:27:36 | HCl | compiling |
09:28:02 | HCl | yup, works now :) |
09:28:18 | HCl | thanks |
09:28:23 | Slasheri | np :) |
09:31:12 | Bger | in fact, there was an align function |
09:31:14 | HCl | out of curiousity, has it been known that iriver can play both radio and mp3 at the same time? |
09:31:18 | Bger | ops |
09:31:33 | HCl | i think my iriver made that work by a bug in not turning the radio off |
09:31:36 | XavierGr | yes it is a feature |
09:31:40 | HCl | kk :) |
09:31:58 | HCl | how is recording on iriver nowadays? |
09:32:02 | HCl | can we record from radio yet? |
09:32:33 | XavierGr | yes |
09:32:41 | XavierGr | goto record screen |
09:32:53 | XavierGr | and select line in from the source while the radio is playing |
09:33:03 | XavierGr | (exit radio with a-b) |
09:33:51 | HCl | nice :o |
09:33:54 | HCl | i'll try it later |
09:35:08 | amiconn | mooning |
09:35:25 | HCl | hi :) |
09:35:57 | amiconn | preglow: r u there? |
09:36:18 | XavierGr | morning amiconn |
09:36:36 | XavierGr | amiconn: you said the new changes on jpeg.c altered loading times? |
09:37:29 | amiconn | Yes, a tiny bit. |
09:38:00 | XavierGr | quite strange |
09:38:48 | amiconn | On coldfire anything that changes cache alignment can cause such effects |
09:39:02 | amiconn | I'm not sure why it also influences SH1 though |
09:39:07 | amiconn | (no cache) |
09:40:09 | Bger | amiconn i removed the buffer aligning ...( [IDC]Dragon told me to do it..) |
09:40:25 | Bger | should i put it back ? |
09:41:13 | Bger | heh, more exactly he told me that it's not necessary nowadays |
09:42:07 | Bger | afk |
09:49:53 | HCl | uuhh.. |
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09:50:01 | HCl | what has happened to mp3 decoding? |
09:50:09 | HCl | i can clearly hear sound glitches.. |
09:50:51 | HCl | maybe it's just this song.. |
09:52:41 | HCl | hah. the new wpses/themes are sweet |
09:55:11 | ashridah | HCl: no, there's an issue in the decoder atm, recent too |
09:55:39 | HCl | kk |
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10:03:16 | yeahx | new themes? |
10:03:49 | ashridah | yeahx: he's been away for a while |
10:04:03 | Bger | amiconn ? |
10:04:06 | yeahx | oh |
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10:04:24 | amiconn | yes? |
10:04:53 | amiconn | Bah, the jpeg scrolling consfused me... |
10:04:58 | Bger | heh |
10:05:18 | Bger | should i put the aligning back |
10:05:29 | amiconn | I thought it's Play+Left/Right, and wondered why Play+Right scrolls backward... |
10:05:41 | yeahx | ah ok |
10:06:27 | amiconn | Bger: I don't think it's needed. |
10:06:33 | Bger | k |
10:06:59 | Bger | which target are you talking about ? |
10:07:12 | amiconn | H300 |
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10:07:47 | Bger | on h300 play is "previous", rec is "next" |
10:08:24 | Bger | also Left is prev if the image fits in the screen's width |
10:08:42 | amiconn | Yes, that might be confusing |
10:08:49 | Bger | hm |
10:09:16 | amiconn | If the image is smaller than the screen, you can clearly see what's going on, but if the image is *exactly* the width of the screen, you can't |
10:09:27 | qwm | headache. |
10:09:35 | Bger | what do you suggest then ? |
10:10:06 | XavierGr | we can add a comment for that when the picture loads |
10:10:22 | amiconn | I would simply drop that alternative |
10:10:30 | Bger | with left/right ? |
10:10:32 | amiconn | yes |
10:10:43 | XavierGr | changing it would be a pitty, left/right is a very good shortcut |
10:10:59 | Bger | i'm more with XavierGr here... |
10:10:59 | amiconn | Why? For most platforms prev/next aren't combos. |
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10:11:12 | XavierGr | play/rec is very ackward for H100 |
10:11:36 | XavierGr | amiconn and how will the scrolling be done if you remove the rex/play |
10:11:49 | amiconn | ? |
10:11:59 | XavierGr | I think I got confused |
10:12:11 | XavierGr | you don't like the rec/play or the left/right? |
10:12:22 | Bger | iiuc, amiconn doesn't like the left/right alternative |
10:13:00 | amiconn | Yes. It means left/right are modal, depending on a sometimes non-obvoius state |
10:13:18 | XavierGr | yes but as I said prev/next would be very quirky on some targets (if we remove right/left) |
10:13:40 | XavierGr | on ipod and ondio it would need 2 buttons |
10:14:19 | XavierGr | and once the user learn the keys it shouldn't be too weird |
10:14:34 | amiconn | Imageine I see a full picture screen. I would never expect that 'Right' goes to the next picture. Would you? |
10:14:55 | amiconn | Exactly this can happen if the image has certain sizes, depending on the target resolution |
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10:15:27 | amiconn | (160/320/640/1280 pixel on H1x0, which are *very* common sizes) |
10:16:17 | Bger | hm, after some thinking .. maybe u're right |
10:16:24 | amiconn | Double these for iPod video... |
10:16:35 | amiconn | For the other targets the values are less common though |
10:16:51 | Bger | ah, i have one question btw |
10:16:52 | XavierGr | many people look at many pictures scrolling one by one |
10:17:09 | XavierGr | removeing left/right makes changing way difficult IMHO |
10:17:18 | XavierGr | the user can choose |
10:17:38 | XavierGr | if he wants to change with out stoppage |
10:17:40 | XavierGr | play/rec |
10:18:06 | amiconn | Yes. What's the problem with having play&rec only? |
10:18:23 | XavierGr | on some targets it is too quirky to use them |
10:18:30 | XavierGr | on H300 it is great |
10:18:37 | XavierGr | but not on H100, ipod or ondio |
10:18:41 | amiconn | On H1x0 it's good as well |
10:18:53 | amiconn | I just tried, it's possible with one hand |
10:19:08 | XavierGr | the buttons are on the side, it is so so... but yes better than ipod or ondio |
10:19:23 | amiconn | ...imho even better than left/right, since it doesn't involve the wiggly joystick |
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10:20:33 | XavierGr | all I am saying that current keymap offers to be fast, and have to choose what you want to choose, only drawback is the rare chance that a pic fits exactly the screen |
10:20:42 | amiconn | On Ondio it's a little inconvenient, at least the 'next' combo |
10:21:00 | XavierGr | but in the end you decide, I just express what I like most |
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10:21:56 | XavierGr | BTW what is the filesize limit while playing music? |
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10:22:12 | amiconn | There's no fixed limit |
10:22:24 | amiconn | It depends on how much the jpeg is compressed |
10:22:25 | XavierGr | I mean how big files can it load while playback on colour targets? |
10:22:32 | XavierGr | ah |
10:22:52 | amiconn | You need <jpeg file size> + <decoded jpeg size> |
10:23:13 | amiconn | Even the decoded jpeg size is *not* fixed for a certain resolution |
10:23:41 | amiconn | ...since the image is stored as YUV in memory, and can have various subsampling for the U and V component |
10:24:21 | XavierGr | can it have vast differences? |
10:25:13 | amiconn | The most common (and the only supported in jpeg.rock) subsamplings are 1x1, 2x1, 1x2, 2x2, and no chroma at all, i.e. greyscale JPEGs |
10:25:21 | Bger | amiconn btw, i don't know whether u saw that unsupported files' names are truncated ... |
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10:26:05 | XavierGr | that was a nice idea by linus |
10:26:13 | Bger | yeah |
10:26:34 | Bger | but we are changing the tree context's buffer this way |
10:26:43 | XavierGr | no we are not |
10:27:07 | XavierGr | we just null the pointer that points to it. That pointer is in the plugin buffer |
10:27:25 | Bger | hm |
10:27:43 | Bger | hehe i'm stupid |
10:28:00 | XavierGr | I would never change the dir_buffer string array :) |
10:29:07 | JdGordon | any1 know the ipod remote control thingy? any idea how hard (or if it would be possible at all) to add it as a plugin? i.e can a plugin record sound for a single channel in the line in and save it as a wav file easily? |
10:30:11 | XavierGr | Again I can't really understand why I can get a small delay on a dir with many files, when I change files on the end of the dir. E.g we have 1000 pictures if I scroll from pic1-pic2 I get no delay, but if I scroll from pic 999-1000 I get a small lag. I can't understadn why though, there is no loop that would make things lag. |
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10:34:05 | amiconn | <decoded jpeg size> = 3 * width * height for 1x1 subsampling, = 2 * width * height for 2x1 and 1x2 subsampling, = 1.5 * width * height for 2x2 subsampling, = width * height for greyscale |
10:34:39 | XavierGr | wow |
10:34:49 | amiconn | width and height have to be rounded up to the next multiple of 8 or 16, depending on the subsampling in that direction |
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10:46:19 | safetydan | Should a directory copy merge with or delete the target directory if it exists? |
10:46:31 | safetydan | AFAIK windows merges and Mac deletes |
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10:47:58 | safetydan | and Gnome merges |
10:48:05 | safetydan | so looks like I'm going with merge, easier anyway |
10:52:12 | JdGordon | safetydan: your doing copy/paste for rb? |
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10:58:04 | muesli__ | yummy :-) |
10:58:36 | amiconn | safetydan: Certainly we should do better than iriver. Iriver just complains when the dir already exists and copies nothing |
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11:00:05 | amiconn | I think we should merge, and for speed a file should not be copied again if it already exists in the target dir and size/date didn't change |
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11:00:33 | amiconn | This would be very convenient when syncing from digicam once we get usbotg going... |
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11:01:20 | amiconn | Atm copy/move would actually be most useful on Ondio |
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11:01:48 | Membrillo | San: you around? |
11:02:38 | Membrillo | obviously negative |
11:04:52 | safetydan | JdGordon, yes |
11:05:27 | JdGordon | what about rename folders? i dont think that works atm.. |
11:05:30 | safetydan | amiconn, hadn't thought of checking timestamp and filesize... could be good |
11:05:40 | safetydan | JdGordon, no reason it shouldn't |
11:06:48 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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11:07:36 | safetydan | yeah just tested it on my H120, rename on directories works fine |
11:08:20 | muesli__ | kewl |
11:08:34 | JdGordon | have u got directory cache on? i did a rename and it said done.. but the cache wasnt update... (or the rename didnt actually work).. rebooting |
11:08:51 | JdGordon | ah, no, cache wasnt updated... rename worked |
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11:09:18 | safetydan | How do you know the cache wasn't updated? |
11:09:30 | JdGordon | coz the renamed directory was te old anem |
11:09:31 | JdGordon | name |
11:09:38 | JdGordon | but rebooting showed it correct.. |
11:09:58 | safetydan | interesting, it works here with dircache on |
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11:12:06 | safetydan | JdGordon, maybe ask Slasheri about it, I can't see anything wrong on a quick skim of the code |
11:12:15 | JdGordon | ok |
11:12:40 | JdGordon | ill have a quick play... |
11:13:09 | Slasheri | JdGordon: that is weird |
11:13:18 | Slasheri | can you produce the problem again? |
11:13:34 | Slasheri | or did you rename the directory before dircache was initialized? |
11:14:08 | JdGordon | ok, no im wrong.. do this... rename a folder(the new name will be shown ok), then rename a subfolder of that to /blaa so it should goto the root... it will say failed and the origional name of the first folder will be back |
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11:14:50 | Slasheri | ah, i will check that |
11:15:52 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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11:16:28 | Bger | hi, Jungti1234 |
11:16:33 | Jungti1234 | yeah |
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11:26:52 | IcyStorM | Hello |
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11:27:33 | IcyStorM | I have a question I wanna ask, about development |
11:27:47 | Bger | IcyStorM ask |
11:27:50 | Membrillo | ask away |
11:27:55 | JdGordon | nooo dont ask |
11:28:02 | JdGordon | it will destory the fabric of space time |
11:28:03 | JdGordon | and stuff |
11:28:46 | IcyStorM | Ok.. If I find a nice Open Source game or app that maybe whould be possible on the iPod can I hand it over to you guys then= |
11:29:05 | petur | if it's compatible with GPL |
11:29:12 | Bger | petur :) |
11:29:18 | petur | its license, I mean |
11:29:29 | Bger | btw, any progress ? did you see the reply in the m. list ? |
11:29:29 | Membrillo | if its possible on the ipod, then that makes it quite a lot more possible than any other game. What platform would you like it ported to? |
11:29:58 | petur | Bger: trying his suggestions, used the paperclip already ;) |
11:30:14 | Bger | petur heh :) |
11:30:15 | IcyStorM | Ok.. So if it is licensed under the GNU general license it maybe wouldnt be too hard for you to port it. Yes i'm taliking about iPod (video if it matters) |
11:30:31 | Membrillo | what game are you reffering to? |
11:30:38 | JdGordon | no, if its gpl it would be legal to... not nescacerily easy to |
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11:31:04 | IcyStorM | I'm not reffering to any game.. I'm just wondering |
11:31:10 | amiconn | bbl |
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11:31:21 | Membrillo | if its coded in C then thats a very good start |
11:31:27 | IcyStorM | ok |
11:32:10 | * | Membrillo feels very intimidated by the GNU logo |
11:32:17 | Membrillo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL |
11:37:25 | IcyStorM | Sometimes it's hard to boot into apple firmware on the iPod. Isnt it possible to make a button in Rockbox that is something like: Load Apple Firmware, if you fails to load it |
11:37:57 | josh_ | IcyStorM: yes, it'd be possible, but semi-difficult. |
11:38:24 | IcyStorM | Ok. |
11:38:50 | IcyStorM | Possible to make it easier to boot into apple then rebooting then? Or make it boot Apple firware as default |
11:39:39 | petur | Bger: no luck :( - but I got to go now... |
11:41:14 | Bger | :( |
11:41:20 | Bger | k, bye-bye |
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11:44:22 | linuxstb | IcyStorM: I'm probably going to implement a "reboot into original firmware" menu option. |
11:47:22 | IcyStorM | Sounds really good :) |
11:49:14 | muesli__ | linuxstb how do u think about "reset" too? |
11:49:25 | linuxstb | What's the point? |
11:49:59 | muesli__ | would be just neat instead of clicking rockbox.X |
11:50:19 | linuxstb | Are you talking about ipods, or other targets? |
11:50:28 | muesli__ | in general |
11:50:46 | muesli__ | or r u working on ipods only? |
11:52:18 | linuxstb | The reboot-to-original-firmware option would only be for ipods (because the bootloader is very bad at detecting key presses). But in general I'm not just working on ipods. |
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12:01:34 | JdGordon | does any1 know where the hell to download the java developer kit for linux? i can only find the install notes.. not a damn link |
12:02:54 | safetydan | JdGordon, http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp |
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12:03:15 | safetydan | click "Download JDK 5.0 Update 6" |
12:03:37 | JdGordon | grrr.. thanx |
12:03:49 | JdGordon | gave up 1 click too early :p |
12:04:45 | BHSPitLappy | linux users don't give up! |
12:04:56 | * | JdGordon isnt a real linux user.. i fucking hate linux |
12:05:04 | BHSPitLappy | :O |
12:05:07 | BHSPitLappy | blasphemy! |
12:05:09 | JdGordon | but if i want to get this job i have to use it :( |
12:05:10 | Bger | :P |
12:05:12 | Bger | shame on you! |
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12:17:14 | linuxstb | Anyone here understand the Rockbox SYS_POWEROFF event? |
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12:19:34 | muesli__ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794 |
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12:33:26 | Xerion | lol |
12:33:57 | JdGordon | muesli__: thats sooo old :p |
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12:47:11 | J-Flex | hi @ all |
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12:51:38 | J-Flex | Question: i just updated my i-river to version 1.66 is it safe to use the last version of rockbox? |
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12:51:59 | J-Flex | i have H120 player |
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12:52:45 | amiconn | re |
12:53:39 | amiconn | Hmm, still no linuxstb... |
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12:56:07 | warewolf | boingoingoingoingo |
12:56:10 | warewolf | there be linuxstb |
12:56:15 | Lear | Good timing, it seems... :) |
12:56:23 | amiconn | hi linuxstb |
12:56:33 | amiconn | Could you test something for me on iPod |
12:56:33 | linuxstb | Hello. |
12:56:35 | amiconn | ? |
12:56:37 | linuxstb | Sure. |
12:56:57 | amiconn | I want a speed comparison between cvs jpeg.rock and my own version |
12:57:16 | amiconn | Tell me whether I should build for video or color |
12:57:39 | linuxstb | video - that's where my jpegs are |
12:58:33 | amiconn | Building... |
12:58:59 | amiconn | I can't upload to my webserver right now; no ctcp either |
12:59:03 | amiconn | email? |
12:59:08 | linuxstb | np |
12:59:14 | amiconn | ok |
12:59:32 | linuxstb | Can you put a sleep in after the time is displayed? |
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13:00:48 | amiconn | sure |
13:01:36 | amiconn | Just put a rb->sleep(HZ); at the end of get_image() (for comparison) |
13:01:50 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just done that. |
13:03:49 | amiconn | Hmm, the wiki only tells your sf address |
13:04:06 | linuxstb | dave dchapman com |
13:06:36 | linuxstb | For the record, CVS jpeg gives me (at increasing zoom): 3.21sec, 3.52sec, 5.39sec, 11.77sec on my test 2304x1708 image |
13:07:11 | amiconn | sent. |
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13:12:08 | ashridah | blah |
13:12:09 | ashridah | usb.c: In function `usb_inserted': |
13:12:10 | ashridah | usb.c:602: error: `USB_POWERED' undeclared (first use in this function) |
13:12:19 | Mikachu | uh, oops :) |
13:12:27 | webguest31 | will I damage my H140 if i let it play until the battery runs out and rockbox shuts it down ?. |
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13:13:36 | J-Flex | i tried it, it worked but it sucked my menu and stuff |
13:13:49 | ashridah | why is USB_POWERED only defined for #ifdef HAVE_USB_POWER ? i don't see how it'd make a difference if it was always defined |
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13:14:55 | amiconn | LinusN just scored 210... |
13:14:58 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-no-auto-shutdown-with-usb-plugged-in_fix.patch |
13:15:20 | Mikachu | maybe not the aesthetically most pleasing way of writing it |
13:15:50 | JdGordon | haha... are u keeping a tally? |
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13:16:07 | amiconn | It's okay this way... |
13:16:45 | Mikachu | i guess i was a bit tired when i made the first patch, i was looking at usb_powered right underneath which is ifdeffed |
13:17:00 | amiconn | Btw, that's why patches often need reviewing before commit... |
13:17:12 | amiconn | Rockbox is really multiplatform nowadays |
13:17:14 | Mikachu | i just put it in the tracker, i can't help he committed it :) |
13:17:55 | JdGordon | sure.. he commits yours.... not my radio stuff :p |
13:18:32 | Bagder | JdGordon: there are about 30 other committers too you know |
13:18:59 | JdGordon | and not 1 wants to add my patch :'( |
13:19:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: 3.21, 3.45, 5.33, 11.99 |
13:19:30 | Mikachu | maybe this looks nicer, http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-no-auto-shutdown-with-usb-plugged-in_fix-alt.patch |
13:20:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: So... no essential speed change, despite arm using the generic C code |
13:20:22 | amiconn | But it saves almost one KB of RAM (the ramge_limit lookup table) |
13:22:31 | Mikachu | should i put one of those in the tracker or will you commit a fix or should i prod linus? |
13:24:54 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I'll commit it. |
13:25:06 | Mikachu | okay |
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13:25:15 | webguest31 | lostlogic, Slasheri, the progress bar is very inaccurate when playing audiobooks (LAME@aps), when the next chapters audio starts, the progress bar displays 4-5mm |
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13:27:01 | Mmmm | I'm trying to set up a dev environment in linux. I've followed all the cross compiler instructions etc, but when I try to make tools I get this: |
13:27:07 | Mmmm | gcc -g scramble.o iriver.o -o scramblescramble.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
13:27:22 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Done. |
13:27:33 | Mmmm | do I need to install something to get gcc scramble.o to be recognized? |
13:27:58 | linuxstb | Try doing a make clean |
13:29:17 | Mmmm | No...still the same problem |
13:29:42 | linuxstb | ashridah: It would be a waste of code to check for USB_POWERED on targets where that state is impossible. |
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13:30:23 | julio | Hi |
13:30:29 | Mmmm | It's likely that I have to install some package into my linux dist as it seems to come with nothing as default! |
13:30:35 | Lear | Mmmm: almost sounds like scramble.o was created with the cross compiler rather than the native one, or something like that... |
13:30:51 | julio | Many people here ! |
13:30:54 | linuxstb | Mmmm: If you type "file scramble.o" in your tools directory, what is displayed? |
13:31:27 | Mmmm | scramble.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
13:31:30 | julio | Just a question: Is it normal that Forum doesn't work ? |
13:32:29 | linuxstb | Mmmm: Just try deleting the entire tools directory, and then checkout a fresh copy from cvs. |
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13:32:55 | linuxstb | And then also start again in a clean build directory....... bye |
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13:34:23 | linuxstb | What's the status of the win32 sim? Is there anyone that would object to it being removed from the daily builds table? |
13:34:47 | amiconn | The sdl player sim still isn't working right |
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13:35:23 | linuxstb | What needs fixing? |
13:35:28 | julio | What is Sim ? |
13:35:48 | amiconn | The scaling is wrong, as SDL (unlike win32 can't downscale bitmaps while blitting |
13:36:11 | Lear | Sound playback isn't very good. |
13:36:11 | amiconn | I'll look into that |
13:36:16 | linuxstb | julio: It's the "UI Simulator" that developers use to run and debug Rockbox on their PCs. |
13:36:27 | amiconn | Yes, playback is interrupted periodically |
13:36:50 | Lear | As in several times per second, it seems... :) |
13:36:58 | Mmmm | AHA...thanks linuxstb, a fresh tools directory did the trick :) |
13:37:02 | julio | Than you Linuxstb |
13:37:50 | julio | I'm very interested by rockbox, but as my english is not perfect at all i don't undersant everything, but i ve Rockbox on my Ipod and it's running pretty good ! |
13:39:52 | webguest31 | julio, once the forum is up there is a complete description of all components in the wiki. |
13:40:31 | julio | yes, i ve seen this |
13:40:59 | julio | Yesterday i try to modify a WPS theme to put it on my ipod, unfortunately it was not really good ! |
13:41:58 | Mmmm | Can anybody recommend a good C editor for linux? |
13:42:43 | HCl | vim |
13:42:52 | Bagder | emacs! |
13:43:55 | safetydan | vim! |
13:43:55 | julio | Does somebody tried to modify something to remove the cuts of sound on mp3 music ? |
13:44:07 | Mmmm | ok, I'll look them up...how about a good IRC client? |
13:44:12 | Mikachu | irssi! |
13:44:13 | HCl | irssi |
13:44:27 | Bagder | emacs! |
13:44:29 | Bagder | :-P |
13:44:29 | HCl | XD |
13:44:30 | Mikachu | haha |
13:44:31 | julio | MIRC :) |
13:44:34 | HCl | oh Bagder |
13:44:37 | HCl | incidentally |
13:44:42 | HCl | can i have my cvs account back |
13:44:43 | HCl | ? |
13:44:50 | Bagder | ? |
13:44:55 | HCl | i dunno, it was removed o-o. |
13:45:05 | Mmmm | emacs does both? great stuff! |
13:45:25 | Mikachu | Mmmm: emacs does everything except toast your bread |
13:45:32 | HCl | and wash your socks |
13:45:35 | HCl | god i wish it washed my socks. |
13:45:42 | Bagder | HCl: it was not |
13:45:43 | Mmmm | Heh... |
13:45:43 | webguest31 | cheeesy |
13:45:48 | HCl | Bagder: okay.. weird... |
13:45:55 | HCl | why did my cvs tree refuse to log me in.. |
13:45:57 | amiconn | emacs (1) does practically everything (2) is ugly. </opinion> |
13:46:03 | HCl | can you message me my login details?.. |
13:46:08 | HCl | hold on |
13:46:50 | safetydan | amiconn, ... so the player sim should be downscaling things? Why are they upscaled in the first place? |
13:46:53 | HCl | ah |
13:46:54 | HCl | wait |
13:46:55 | HCl | i got it |
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13:47:11 | HCl | i somehow managed to forget my password, but it's still stored in the ~/.cvspass of my root account |
13:47:15 | HCl | :p |
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13:47:36 | amiconn | safetydan: That's old stuff. I guess it was for making the icon simulation look better in comparison to the charcells |
13:48:26 | amiconn | Opinions about the adaptive repeat thingy? |
13:48:42 | amiconn | I'd like to commit it if there are no objections |
13:49:00 | XavierGr | adaptive repeat? |
13:49:38 | amiconn | Adapts button repeat ratio to the ability of the application to cope. Avoids afterscroll and similar effects |
13:49:53 | XavierGr | sounds very good |
13:50:06 | HCl | sounds good |
13:50:09 | HCl | afterscroll is horrid |
13:50:31 | HCl | by the way, radio recording works awesome :) |
13:50:39 | HCl | why on earth didn't iriver support it in their firmware o-o. |
13:50:53 | HCl | aside from marketing benefits of being able to advertise radio recording for the h300 |
13:50:55 | XavierGr | there is a small artifact every so and then |
13:51:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Has this been tested with the ipod's clickwheel? Does it replace preglow's previous fix for the after-scroll problem? |
13:51:08 | HCl | ah, must've not come across it yet |
13:51:29 | XavierGr | HCl: It is very discreet though, very difficult to hear |
13:51:34 | HCl | :) |
13:51:37 | HCl | who cares then :o |
13:51:42 | HCl | it's great :) |
13:51:44 | XavierGr | you are right iriver should have included |
13:52:07 | linuxstb | Would anyone object to me adding a parameter to the SYS_POWEROFF event? On the ipods, I need a way to cleanly shutdown and then reboot to USB disk mode (currently ipods reboot immediately without a clean shutdown). I'm also thinking of adding a "reboot to original firmware" menu option which would also need a clean shutdown. So I'm thinking about a parameter to SYS_POWEROFF with values like SHUTDOWN, USB_MODE and ORIG_FIRMWARE. |
13:52:17 | linuxstb | Also, does rolo do a clean shutdown? |
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13:54:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: The clickwheel isn't handled in button_tick(), so it isn't changed |
13:55:20 | linuxstb | OK. |
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14:01:53 | Paprica | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1418787&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
14:02:03 | Paprica | someone know who send this patch? |
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14:25:32 | Bger | don't ever try to run OOo 2 + firefox + gimp on 256MB (with KDE)... |
14:26:13 | Bger | ah, and thunderbird |
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14:27:28 | amiconn | Ooo is a memory hog |
14:27:55 | crwl | heh |
14:28:10 | crwl | without it, everything would be fine :P |
14:29:31 | preglow | amiconn: i am now... |
14:29:47 | Bger | gimp loaded, but when i tried to open a jpeg .... |
14:30:03 | amiconn | preglow: Meanwhile linuxstb did the test |
14:30:22 | preglow | anything fun? |
14:30:41 | amiconn | Check my latest commit |
14:30:59 | Bger | 15% isn't at all bad |
14:31:00 | amiconn | If you want, you could asm optimise the range_limit() function for arm |
14:32:30 | preglow | maybe i will |
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14:38:50 | preglow | amiconn: the coldfire optimised one is nifty... |
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15:02:51 | preglow | amiconn: don't know if there's too much to gain by doing that in arm asm |
15:04:29 | amiconn | I can't know either |
15:04:56 | amiconn | Trying it shouldn't hurt, it's a tiny function... |
15:05:02 | preglow | yeah, i will |
15:05:12 | preglow | but it sure as hell won't be anything as clever as the coldfire one |
15:06:16 | preglow | our arm core is severely lacking in clever instructions |
15:07:07 | amiconn | I don't know which flags the arm core support. I could imagine this can be done with 3 isns on arm as well |
15:07:18 | amiconn | One compare and 2 conditional moves |
15:07:26 | preglow | yeah, it should |
15:07:32 | * | preglow gets coffee |
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15:11:37 | lostlogic | amiconn: ::thumbsup:: on the rate limitting hopefully it'll quieten a bunch of bitchin' and moanin' :-P |
15:12:23 | amiconn | Teh build server is lagging... |
15:13:13 | lostlogic | amiconn: I think it's running two sets of builds lately −− helping with a distributed build and running a local build −− t0mas and Bagder need to finish the distributed build thinger and use it, or drop it ;) |
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15:18:46 | preglow | amiconn: one compare? |
15:19:07 | preglow | right |
15:19:09 | amiconn | Yes, if arm has several flags like coldfire |
15:19:42 | amiconn | On SH1 we need 2 compares because there's only one flag |
15:19:50 | preglow | it does, but i don't get how you're using the overflow flag in the coldfire code |
15:19:57 | preglow | can that result overflow? |
15:20:46 | webguest31 | lostlogic, did you see my comment about the progress bar display being out of sync with audio when playing back audiobooks ? |
15:20:59 | amiconn | cmp does a subtraction. It overflows if the value is in the correct range. Then I skip the next insn |
15:21:06 | preglow | bah, of course |
15:21:19 | preglow | yeah, then i can push it down to four instructions |
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15:21:40 | amiconn | spl.b evaluates the N flag |
15:22:21 | amiconn | If we overflow in the positive direction, the difference is positive (spl.b then sets the low byte to 0xFF), otherwise it's negative and spl.b sets 0x00 |
15:26:14 | preglow | overflowing in the positive direction shouldn't happen too often |
15:26:37 | lostlogic | webguest31: no, I didn't |
15:26:46 | lostlogic | webguest31: what's different about audio books from music? |
15:27:58 | preglow | amiconn: really small performance gain |
15:28:30 | preglow | decode of a large picture took 3.38 vs 3.41 |
15:29:00 | lostlogic | webguest31: I'm guessing that something like that is caused by a music file with an incorrect header length reported −− I have a bunch of streamripped MP3s where the progress bar reaches end about 5s early because they missreport length. |
15:29:34 | webguest31 | lostlogic, the only difference is thataudiobooks are 15 to 20 minutes long |
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15:29:55 | webguest31 | I ripped everything meticulously with LAME@aps |
15:30:17 | lostlogic | webguest31: hmm, is it wrong throughout the song, or only later in the song? |
15:30:31 | lostlogic | it is possible that we overflow something somewhere if it's only later |
15:30:35 | lostlogic | s/song/audiobook/ |
15:30:35 | webguest31 | at the begining |
15:31:34 | lostlogic | webguest31: hmm... now that I think of it, Ihave lots of mp3s that are > 1hr long without problem. |
15:31:46 | webguest31 | when a new chapter starts, the audio starts, the progrees bar shows 4-5mm into the trakc when only a few seconds have elapsed |
15:32:16 | lostlogic | and the elapsed time report at the bottom is correct? |
15:32:29 | lostlogic | ermh the elapsed tiem report is correct (wherever it is in your wps) |
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15:32:40 | webguest31 | it seems so yes |
15:32:49 | preglow | amiconn: but still, i see gcc does a far worse job than me, so i'll just commit it nonetheless |
15:33:29 | webguest31 | maybe it was just Stpehen Hawkins 'heavy stuff' which space time warped the progress bar :) |
15:33:30 | lostlogic | webguest31: I got nothin' :( |
15:33:51 | lostlogic | webguest31: try a different codec and if it still happens attack me again? :-P |
15:34:09 | webguest31 | will do, thanks. |
15:34:27 | preglow | amiconn: 100 bytes saved in idct8x8 |
15:34:42 | lostlogic | gcc is teh st00ped sometimes. |
15:34:52 | preglow | s/sometimes/often/ |
15:34:55 | lostlogic | :) |
15:35:35 | lostlogic | for simpler things you can make it 'smarter' by just using register keywords and moving variable declarations around with scoping braces, but not for harder things. |
15:36:10 | * | webguest31 waits patiently for the coffee machine patch for the H140, stirred clockwise please |
15:37:20 | amiconn | safetydan: rockboxui −−background doesn't work in conjunction with −−zoom |
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15:38:43 | rhymesgalore | Hi there, what's up with the forum? can't reach it........... |
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15:39:00 | preglow | it's down, not our fault |
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15:39:17 | lostlogic | holy cow, rockbox jpg viewing is so much better than iRiver :-D |
15:39:30 | rhymesgalore | oh..... well then i just try again later. see ya! |
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15:42:52 | NicoFR | lostlogic: all we need now is thumbnails viewing ;) |
15:43:55 | XavierGr | :) |
15:47:01 | Bger | someone should add this fact to the wiki :P |
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15:48:01 | XavierGr | patch tracker is once again down, sourceforge is really uncredible |
15:49:57 | preglow | i think the "showing blablahXblabla" message should be dropped when the image is already decoded |
15:50:03 | preglow | it just flickers in and you barely have time to read it |
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15:51:16 | Mikachu | oh, someone made a lock icon appear now when hold is on, nifty |
15:51:46 | XavierGr | preglow: I disagree. Some big pictures take a long time to load |
15:51:53 | XavierGr | and the progressbar is neat too. |
15:52:24 | Bger | XavierGr he means if u have zoomed in and after that zoomed out and the zoomed out image has been cached |
15:52:26 | Bger | or ? |
15:52:27 | preglow | i mean when they're already decoded |
15:52:29 | preglow | not while they're decoding |
15:53:52 | preglow | amiconn: the jpeg decoder could really use the iram, i wonder if it's possible to make use if it if jpeg.c detects that playback is not going at the moment |
15:54:10 | amiconn | IRAM doesn't help too much |
15:54:16 | preglow | oh? |
15:54:42 | amiconn | The workspaces are already in IRAM since I put them on the stack |
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15:55:34 | amiconn | It seems the huffman decoder is what takes most of the time |
15:55:39 | preglow | oh, alright |
15:55:45 | amiconn | So if you have ideas how to speed that up... |
15:55:49 | NicoFR | would it be hard to make some sort of unified picture viewer based on the current JPEG viewer, but with other formats supported ? |
15:56:04 | NicoFR | knowing we can alreday decode bitmap and partly GIF |
15:56:25 | amiconn | I tried my mask lookup table idea instead of (1 << nbits) -1 on SH1 |
15:56:35 | amiconn | Turned out slower, for whatever reason... |
15:56:44 | amiconn | NicoFR: I don't think this would be a good idea |
15:56:58 | Bger | amiconn why ?? |
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15:57:03 | amiconn | (unless the viewer can detect the input format independently from the extension) |
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15:57:37 | amiconn | Currently it's possible to open jpegs with non-standard extensions (like .thm) with 'open with..' |
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15:58:30 | NicoFR | maybe it could detect the file format indepentently from the extension with information in the file header ? |
15:58:33 | Bger | amiconn, preglow: really, what's needed for progressive jpeg support ? |
15:58:43 | preglow | Bger: someone to code it |
15:58:55 | boza111 | hi |
15:58:56 | Bger | heh |
15:59:34 | boza111 | in what language is rockbox written in |
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15:59:53 | Bger | boza111 C/asm |
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16:00:03 | preglow | ahahaha |
16:00:08 | t0mas | [15:12:26] <amiconn> Teh build server is lagging... <−− www.rockbox.org/~tomas/daily.shtml |
16:00:10 | preglow | if you scroll down too long on ipod |
16:00:14 | preglow | the unit shuts down |
16:00:34 | safetydan | amiconn, −−background not working with −−zoom is deliberate thing because there's no scaling blitter in SDL |
16:00:41 | boza111 | thanks preglow |
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16:01:22 | boza111 | does rocbox support USB or firewire |
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16:01:54 | XavierGr | ? |
16:02:02 | linuxstb | boza111: I assume you're talking about "disk mode" on the ipod? |
16:02:35 | boza111 | yea i am talking about the ipod |
16:02:52 | boza111 | is it not possible to rewrite the driver , so it doesnt restart into diskmode |
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16:03:31 | linuxstb | boza111: Feel free to do so. |
16:03:43 | boza111 | lol |
16:03:50 | boza111 | i mean theoretically |
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16:04:19 | boza111 | because IPL hasnt managed to write a driver for linux kernel |
16:04:22 | preglow | the reason we do what we do is that writing an usb driver is extremely hard |
16:04:30 | preglow | esepecially when you don't know how the hardware works |
16:04:49 | boza111 | ohhh ok |
16:05:11 | boza111 | i thought the reason why it didnt work was maybe because it was hard to under linux |
16:05:18 | linuxstb | It's also a low priority. I'm happy with how it works now, and there are other, much more important things we can be adding to Rockbox. |
16:05:39 | boza111 | yea fair enough |
16:06:09 | boza111 | so what are the priorities :D |
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16:07:00 | boza111 | hi imphasing |
16:08:02 | * | preglow ponders on arm flags... |
16:08:12 | linuxstb | The priorities are finishing the basics of the ipod port - lots of things work on other Rockbox targets, but not the ipod. |
16:08:31 | linuxstb | And battery life needs to be improved. |
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16:09:08 | boza111 | what works on other rockbox players |
16:09:33 | boza111 | I am really sorry btw for asking so manny questions . its just because i am completly new to rockbox |
16:10:41 | imphasing | linuxstb: I got a ~successful build of my mame |
16:10:54 | imphasing | It doesn't segfault, is what I mean. |
16:10:55 | imphasing | :) |
16:11:08 | imphasing | It doesn't actually work, but it's interesting.. |
16:11:33 | linuxstb | boza111: Main missing features are battery status, recording, adjustable cpu frequency. But there are still lots of bugs, and things which haven't been implemented 100%. |
16:12:52 | boza111 | oh ok |
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16:15:54 | lamed | hello |
16:16:42 | lamed | preglow: the eq is your work right? |
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16:19:42 | preglow | lamed: the core of it is my work, the gui is safetydans work |
16:23:18 | preglow | lamed: why? |
16:28:55 | lamed | well first of all because i never thanked you for that :D and second because you'r the best man to ask what does the Q setting does... only thing I could come up with is that a lower number there works on a narrower band |
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16:29:19 | preglow | no |
16:29:24 | preglow | higher number is narrower band |
16:29:59 | preglow | for the shelving filters it decides how flat the filter is, a value of 0.7 is almost always what you want, unless you know what you're doing |
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16:30:34 | preglow | i'm working on an eq grapher which will help you visualise |
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16:32:20 | lamed | hmmm, what's a shelving filter? |
16:32:36 | preglow | it's the kind of filter you always use for the lowest and highest frequencies |
16:33:15 | preglow | it gains or cuts all the lower or upper frequencies to a limit, then gradually goes towards 0db |
16:33:29 | preglow | as opposed to the peaking filters which both start and end at 0db |
16:34:26 | MrShlee | Apart from a filing a feature request. It is possible to request a basic feature to one of the devs here? |
16:34:43 | linuxstb | You can mention it. |
16:34:54 | lamed | (doesn't hurts to try) |
16:35:00 | linuxstb | But developers generally work on what interests them, not what people request.... |
16:35:07 | preglow | it does if you try too hard :-) |
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16:36:02 | MrShlee | ok. USB charge mode is activated with the red button.. obviously - Could a dev make a configuation to get the default action for plugging in the USB to the unit? |
16:36:24 | preglow | what unit are you talking about? |
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16:36:30 | MrShlee | H3X00 |
16:36:46 | MrShlee | I have my unit attached to an in-car usb charger and even tho its simply power.. it still starts usb data mode |
16:37:19 | lamed | preglow, lemme see if i got it stright, say the low filter is set to 5 db, 12 Khz, 0.7 Q. are all ferqs upper then 12khz would be effected by the filter? |
16:37:29 | MrShlee | changing default mode from data to power would sure be of interest to a few people. im guessing *this is also included in the offical firmware* |
16:39:30 | lamed | MrShlee- just a quick tip. the h300 has a normal ac jack, right? |
16:39:56 | preglow | lamed: no, the low shelf will only affect frequencies lower than its cutoff frequency |
16:39:59 | safetydan | lamed, if you're talking about the low shelf filter (band 0 in the EQ UI), then all frequencies *below* 12 KHz are affected. |
16:40:05 | safetydan | or as preglow said |
16:40:15 | safetydan | high shelf (band 4) is the other way around obviously |
16:40:44 | lamed | bah... i was talking about the high filter of course. (i was talking abut 12 khz) |
16:40:58 | MrShlee | lamed true. I have a standard ac jack for it. so thats a possiblity |
16:41:15 | MrShlee | changing default mode would simply be a simple effective handy hack :) |
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16:42:43 | Massa1 | Hi everybody! |
16:43:42 | Massa1 | Does somebody know what happened to the rockbox forum? |
16:44:21 | safetydan | it's down |
16:44:27 | safetydan | it'll be back when someone fixes it |
16:45:25 | Massa1 | thanks for that apparently info ;) |
16:45:35 | linuxstb | That's all we know.... |
16:45:53 | linuxstb | It's out of our control. |
16:46:22 | Massa1 | O.K. I thought somebody here would know more... - so we'll have to wait until it's fixed |
16:46:40 | safetydan | preglow, is your EQ graphing code in a usable state or are you still working on it? I'm willing to do the UI work if needed. |
16:47:04 | preglow | mwell |
16:47:07 | preglow | no, not really |
16:47:09 | Massa1 | Something else: does the automatic remote detection for H3xx work? |
16:47:15 | preglow | i need a better sin(), for starters |
16:47:18 | lamed | Mrshlee- hack yourself an AC output from usb cable. |
16:47:19 | lamed | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32898&highlight=usb+mini+sync |
16:47:39 | Massa1 | It does not for my H300-NONLCD remote - it's still always on hold :( |
16:48:40 | safetydan | preglow, ah yes, you mentioned needing higher precision sin() and log() as well |
16:49:01 | lamed | mrshlee- what you are asking, code wise, can be done. but I think it will be far simpler for you to hack an ac jack out of an old usb cable. |
16:49:35 | preglow | safetydan: yeah, i'll need higher precision sin(), and a log, and we might already have the log, i think |
16:49:40 | lamed | preglow: then, what's the diffrence between 0.5 - 0.7 and 6.0? what the coffecient? ( <-hate spelling that word) |
16:50:09 | preglow | lamed: for peaking filters a higher value means a narrower band, that's all |
16:50:18 | preglow | lamed: everything below 0.7 will give a very wide band |
16:50:19 | lamed | amiconn: still, a very short, two line afterscroll, do you see it? |
16:50:32 | MrShlee | lamed: I've ready done something like that. so its not going to put me out.. thats just something worth doing IMHO :) |
16:50:37 | MrShlee | thanks for the link tho |
16:50:44 | safetydan | lamed, you could try this http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt which is what preglow says he based the filter functions on |
16:50:52 | safetydan | it takes a few read throughs though :) |
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16:51:49 | lamed | safetydan: look long, but has many white spaces... so I'll try that soon, thanks! |
16:52:05 | Bger | Massa1 i plan to commit first stage of remote support soon |
16:52:20 | Bger | of the remote support |
16:52:47 | preglow | safetydan: i should switch to using bandwidth |
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16:53:18 | preglow | but then i'll need sinh() too... |
16:53:28 | MrShlee | plus code wise would be simpler would it not :S |
16:53:39 | safetydan | preglow, possibly, since people seem to be getting pretty confused about Q |
16:54:01 | safetydan | I think the UI could do a better job telling people what does and doesn't make sense for each filter though |
16:54:21 | preglow | and we should just agree on whether any adjustment makes sense for the shelving filters |
16:54:30 | preglow | until we have graphing support, i don't think so |
16:54:59 | preglow | it's not straight forward to visualise what anything but 0.7 q will do to the freq response for people not used to filters |
16:55:29 | Massa1 | Bger, I thought it's already in CVS - I read a comment from Linus that he added the automatic detection??? |
16:55:51 | safetydan | a graph would obviously be the best way, I was just thinking of ways to make it clear that the peak filters are different from the shelf filters |
16:56:17 | Bger | Massa1 the detection is there |
16:56:18 | Bger | only |
16:56:23 | preglow | safetydan: probably some small icons |
16:56:32 | preglow | safetydan: a bell curve for the peaking ones, and a shelf for the shelving ones |
16:56:35 | Bger | i'll commit soon the changes in button.c |
16:57:08 | Massa1 | Bger: So it should detect and display the right remote type at the debug screen? |
16:57:31 | Bger | yep |
16:59:48 | Massa1 | Hmm, is it corect behaviour that the ADC_REMOTETYPEDETECT value toggles even when I don't press any key? |
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17:00:15 | Bger | Massa1 ?? |
17:00:27 | Massa1 | ADC_REMOTEDETECT, not ADC_REMOTETYPEDETECT |
17:01:42 | Massa1 | remotetype is always "3", but ADC_REMOTEDETECT toggles every few seconds between 90 and 8F |
17:01:53 | Bger | ah, this doesn't matter |
17:02:01 | Bger | it's like 90 and 91 in decimal |
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17:02:56 | Bger | that is, the value is between 0x8f and 0x90 |
17:05:03 | Massa1 | In the past I used one of the remotetype patches from the patch tracker - it worked perfect for me. |
17:05:35 | Bger | u're usinh h300 NON-lcd ? |
17:05:41 | Massa1 | Yes! |
17:06:09 | Massa1 | Now I reverted the patch and I hope you'll soon integrate the functionality in CVS |
17:06:15 | Massa1 | :) |
17:06:51 | Massa1 | Why are you asking about the remote type? |
17:06:56 | lamed | preglow; safetydan, I was rereading everything about EQs, and I still have no clue, ho well maybe just a very slim clue, of what the Q setting acctually does. dan, you link is totally out of my league, I outa find something in _english_ |
17:10:23 | linuxstb | lamed: Have you read the eq section in the wiki manual? |
17:10:59 | safetydan | lamed, this misticriver thread has some good links http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36519 |
17:13:33 | safetydan | speaking of EQ, should we include some presets? Very subjective I know, but maybe it'll help people start. |
17:14:08 | preglow | shrug |
17:14:18 | preglow | we probably should, yes, but someone needs to make them |
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17:14:38 | safetydan | there's some in the H300 optimised build |
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17:17:25 | Massa1 | Hi muesli__! |
17:17:44 | muesli__ | Massa1 ;) |
17:19:21 | Massa1 | whois Massa |
17:20:14 | preglow | linuxstb: didn't someone post a patch to make the nano shut down quicker? |
17:20:42 | linuxstb | Yes - I'm sure it's on the patch tracker. |
17:21:08 | preglow | actually looks like i'll be able to do a bit of paid work involving rockbox |
17:21:08 | preglow | hahah |
17:21:14 | preglow | i rule |
17:22:32 | linuxstb | very nice... |
17:23:53 | Bger | preglow ?:)) |
17:24:33 | linuxstb | preglow: Are 1gig nanos available in Europe yet? I don't think they've reached the UK. |
17:24:44 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't know, i saw them in a norwegian web shop |
17:24:55 | preglow | linuxstb: you know which sources the pcf can wake up from? |
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17:25:39 | linuxstb | preglow: Not really. All I know is the "wake on charge", "EXTON" (which is pressing MENU or SELECT) and the RTC alarm. |
17:27:27 | preglow | i guess wake on charge will do, i just need an external way of waking it up |
17:27:57 | preglow | and btw, if i do wake it on charge right now, rockbox hangs with the usb logo |
17:28:57 | linuxstb | The workaround would simply be to disable usb detection. |
17:29:20 | linuxstb | Or make your new employer pay you to fix the bug... |
17:29:21 | linuxstb | :) |
17:30:58 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: you have a 5g ipod, right? |
17:31:52 | linuxstb | Yes. |
17:32:13 | preglow | linuxstb: but any idea why it works perfectly at all other times than when i've woken it up? |
17:32:23 | saa[b_r]ider | cool, does the scroll wheel speed increase when browsing through lists? |
17:32:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Slasheri mentioned that his audio initialisation thread doesn't expect a USB event. |
17:33:00 | linuxstb | saa[b_r]ider: No, we haven't implemented that yet. |
17:33:10 | preglow | linuxstb: ahh... |
17:33:25 | preglow | that's badness |
17:33:59 | saa[b_r]ider | so do you have a key-combo that allows for browsing by page (like play + up or down on the iRiver?) |
17:34:03 | lamed | omg this is great... http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html |
17:34:23 | linuxstb | saa[b_r]ider: No. We want to get the scroll-wheel working, but just haven't done it yet. |
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17:35:11 | linuxstb | I mean implement a speed increase in the scroll wheel - it works fine, but just at a constant speed. |
17:35:20 | lamed | linuxstb, safetydan - thanks. |
17:35:27 | saa[b_r]ider | alright, good luck with that :) how happy are you with the current speed? |
17:36:10 | linuxstb | The speed of Rockbox in general, or the speed of the wheel? |
17:36:26 | lamed | (the link I gave was a ' get perpendicular ' clip from hitachi... It's realy dorky and funny |
17:37:21 | saa[b_r]ider | the wheel, and scrolling through lists |
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17:38:19 | linuxstb | It's fine, but I don't have extremely long lists. I split my music into the usual artist/album directory structure. |
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17:40:29 | julio | hi |
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17:41:53 | Smubo | Does sb have Stereo sound on his Ipod 5G ? (if Sb have an Ipod :) ) |
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17:43:22 | saa[b_r]ider | thank linuxstb :) my friend is about to install RB, but he hasn't dealt with file structure before... so it will take him some getting used to |
17:43:36 | saa[b_r]ider | lamed: nice clip :) very smart! |
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17:45:56 | Smubo | ? |
17:47:47 | saa[b_r]ider | smubo: you mean me? |
17:48:05 | boza111 | yes i think he does |
17:48:25 | Smubo | no |
17:48:27 | Smubo | :p |
17:48:53 | Smubo | i was just asking if somebody was able to play Music in stereo on his Ipod |
17:49:05 | Smubo | But nobody answer |
17:49:24 | saa[b_r]ider | oh, I wondered "who" you ment by sb :) |
17:49:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I don't know anyone called sb either.... |
17:49:53 | Massa1 | Does somebofy know a ID3 tag library with good readable code which is able to read the "cover art" tag? |
17:50:02 | Massa1 | Or where I can get more information about it? |
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17:50:30 | Smubo | Sb = Somebody :) |
17:50:32 | lamed | how can I find what multiple changes where commited to a few files from one file in the cvs viewer? |
17:50:45 | safetydan | Smubo, yes playing audio works on the 5g iPod |
17:50:47 | linuxstb | Smubo: Yes, audio is in stereo for me on my 5g, but I've read lots of reports where audio is "mono and distorted". |
17:51:09 | lamed | (/apps/playback.c Revision 1.210 - what files where changed with that file on the same commit?) |
17:51:35 | linuxstb | lamed: Try http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
17:51:54 | Smubo | Sound is Mono on my Ipod (tested on Beatles Song) and there is some "cut" during audio playing |
17:51:56 | safetydan | lamed, CVS doesn't really make that easy as it's file oriented not changeset oriented |
17:51:57 | saa[b_r]ider | massa1: I know of a few for windows |
17:52:47 | Massa1 | saa[b_r]ider: which ones? And where can I download the code? |
17:53:20 | lamed | hmmm.. i was using http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source the Rockbox Source Archive Daily Builds |
17:53:28 | saa[b_r]ider | oh, I thought you just wanted a program :) |
17:54:02 | Massa1 | No, I want sources to understand how it is stored in the MP3 files and how to decode it... |
17:54:11 | lamed | thanks linuxstb! |
17:54:21 | Smubo | linuxstb : In Sound Setting there is an setting call "Channels" and changing it (Stereo, Mono, Mono Left ...) has no Effect ! |
17:54:46 | linuxstb | Smubo: Yes - those options are not implemented yet. It's just there to confuse people... |
17:54:54 | Smubo | Oki |
17:55:05 | saa[b_r]ider | Massa1: MP3tag is capable of storing album art, and they have a good forum where the devs are active, you can check if they can help |
17:55:09 | Smubo | so Sound is always in Mono |
17:55:50 | Smubo | Linuxstb: What do you mean with "Distorted" ? |
17:55:54 | Massa1 | Hmm, asking the developers is a good idea - although I didn't find sources for MP3tag (already had a look at it ;)) |
17:56:05 | linuxstb | Smubo: I don't know - that's how others have described it. |
17:56:10 | Smubo | oki |
17:56:13 | linuxstb | But no, sound shouldn't be mono. |
17:56:23 | safetydan | Massa1, http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt might help if you want to read the spec |
17:56:35 | Smubo | it's odd, because Sound is in Stereo on Apple Firmware |
17:56:40 | lamed | Miika = slasheri? |
17:56:46 | linuxstb | Smubo: Try resetting the settings - go to the main menu, then Manage Settings, then Reset Settings |
17:56:56 | Smubo | ok |
17:56:59 | linuxstb | Smubo: Also, are you using the headphone out, or line-out? |
17:57:11 | Smubo | heu |
17:57:21 | Smubo | i'm just plugging my Headphone on the Ipod |
17:57:34 | linuxstb | OK. |
17:57:37 | safetydan | lamed, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
17:58:12 | Smubo | linuxstb: I've reseted Setting, i'm going to try |
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17:59:43 | Smubo | linuxstb: I've tested on a .m4a File (AAC) an it is in Mono, i'm going to see what's happen with OGG and MP3 |
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18:00:14 | Massa1 | safetydan: Thanks - I already looked at their website but I overlooked that page |
18:00:59 | Smubo | linuxstb: Exactly the same, MONO sound |
18:01:28 | linuxstb | OK. Just out of curiousity, is your 5g the 30GB or 60GB model, and when did you buy it? |
18:02:05 | Smubo | My 5G is 60Gb Model bought in end of November |
18:02:23 | Smubo | November 25 of 2005 |
18:02:32 | Smubo | Firmware 1.0 |
18:02:33 | preglow | hmm |
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18:05:17 | linuxstb | Smubo: Are you willing to run the ipod updater and install the latest firmware? I'm trying to find out if there is any connection between the ipods that have this problem. |
18:05:30 | linuxstb | (you won't lose your music, but you will have to re-install the Rockbox bootloader) |
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18:08:00 | Smubo | linuxstb: But there are problem on Ipod with Firmware 1.1 of Apple (just Ipod which have been updated from 1.0 to 1.1). There are problem with Video, and one of my friend had to sen his Ipod 60Gb to Apple and they send him a nEw one... |
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18:08:42 | linuxstb | Smubo: OK, then don't upgrade. |
18:09:14 | Smubo | connection between the ipods that have this problem. |
18:09:14 | Smubo | <linuxstb> (you won't lose your music, but you will have to re-install the Rockbox bootloaBecause i was planning to do it until i learn all the problem which come with this New Firmware |
18:09:19 | Smubo | sorry |
18:09:42 | Smubo | I will wait for the New Firmware to Update my Ipod |
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18:10:00 | Paprica | someone know the real name of brickmania for h100 patch writer? |
18:10:02 | Paprica | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1418787&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
18:10:05 | Paprica | this patcj |
18:10:06 | Paprica | h |
18:10:31 | linuxstb | Paprica: I think two people contributed to it. I don't know either of their names... |
18:10:56 | Paprica | i talked with one of them |
18:11:04 | Paprica | but i need the real name of the second |
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18:11:12 | Paprica | i want to commit it |
18:11:33 | linuxstb | Smubo: The audio driver in Rockbox for the 5g is just the very first attempt. All I can say it to try again when more work has been done on it. |
18:11:52 | Smubo | No problem |
18:11:59 | Smubo | Thank you, i must go now |
18:12:01 | Smubo | bye |
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18:12:05 | muesli__ | Paprica can u commit this one as well? :) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1401551&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
18:13:11 | Paprica | muesli__, linus commit somthing with the h300 remote |
18:13:14 | Paprica | check it.. |
18:13:22 | muesli__ | yeah..doesnt work :o |
18:13:49 | Paprica | tell that to him |
18:14:51 | preglow | argh! why do i get the bloody battery icon all the time |
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18:22:40 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think i can reduce it to one compare and two conditional moves :/ i'm not very good at this |
18:23:29 | preglow | amiconn: feel free to have a look at the arm quick reference card, there's a conditional table on page 5, but the conditions seem to be the same as on coldfire |
18:26:52 | Paprica | what is the nano lcd size? |
18:27:03 | preglow | 176x132, i think |
18:27:05 | Shadowarrior13 | Teensie. |
18:27:10 | Shadowarrior13 | *cough* |
18:27:20 | preglow | brickmania for nano coming? :>>>> |
18:27:26 | Paprica | =] |
18:27:50 | Paprica | aff i want to commit the h100 brickmania!! |
18:28:16 | Massa1 | muesli__: linus only commited the infrastructure for detecting the remote type - nothing else... |
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18:37:44 | needleboy | evening |
18:38:03 | needleboy | anyone experiences lag on the cvs checkout? |
18:38:31 | Paprica | hi needleboy |
18:38:33 | muesli__ | Massa1 yeah, thats what i also thought |
18:38:40 | needleboy | hey ben |
18:38:54 | needleboy | also, there's a problem with the build system again, i think |
18:39:13 | needleboy | the source on the website doesn't include the files in apps\bitmaps |
18:39:20 | needleboy | the dirs are there, but no files |
18:40:48 | Massa1 | muesli__: Bger told me earlier this evening, that he soon plans to commit changes to button.c :) |
18:41:34 | muesli__ | does that include that patch? |
18:43:47 | Massa1 | I don't know - he leaves the IRC without exactly telling what he plans... |
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18:46:24 | NicoFR | can someone tell me the simplest way of knowing if the currently playing file has changed ? |
18:46:45 | NicoFR | i want to call a function only when the playing file is changed |
18:47:31 | linuxstb | I think you can set up a callback function on track change |
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18:47:55 | NicoFR | linuxstb: how do i do that ? |
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18:49:45 | linuxstb | Look in playback.c - especially the audio_set_track_changed_event() function. I've never used it, I'm just reading the code now. |
18:51:01 | NicoFR | thre is a bool function "audio_has_changed_track()"... it's used in "bool update(struct gui_wps *gwps)" of gwps-common.c |
18:51:08 | NicoFR | maybe that is what i'm looking for... |
18:52:10 | NicoFR | yes it does seem good.. i'll try that |
18:55:59 | Massa1 | Bye everybody, I'll have to leave |
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19:21:35 | NicoFR | how can i simply concatenate two strings ? |
19:22:05 | NicoFR | i was using 'strncat' and it worked on sim, but refused to compile on H300... :( |
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19:22:53 | petur | strcat |
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19:23:19 | Windows_X | hi there |
19:23:24 | petur | NicoFR: have a look in firmware/include/string.h |
19:23:26 | Windows_X | Is parametric EQ bugs fixed? |
19:23:30 | preglow | what bugs? |
19:23:38 | NicoFR | petur: thx |
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19:23:55 | Windows_X | like scutter sound in higest hz for some songs |
19:24:09 | preglow | scutter? |
19:24:24 | Windows_X | sound cracking (harm earphone and ear) |
19:24:48 | preglow | what kind of cracking? |
19:24:54 | preglow | are you sure it's just not clipping? |
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19:25:27 | Windows_X | when I use bass on high level bass+drum song. |
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19:25:35 | Windows_X | sounds will be like it's breaking up |
19:25:42 | Windows_X | crack crack |
19:25:42 | Windows_X | like this |
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19:26:32 | preglow | if you use too many high level bands, it will sound like shit |
19:26:45 | preglow | that's just the way it is, all eqs are like that |
19:26:46 | Windows_X | it's just 4.0 |
19:26:51 | preglow | 4.0 is more than enough |
19:27:00 | preglow | and it certainly isn't a bug |
19:27:03 | Windows_X | ok |
19:27:22 | Windows_X | btw, i'm making eq generating tool to suite up sound genre with headphones. |
19:27:30 | preglow | we'll add a volume prescaler some day so you can decrease the volume when you notice that the sound is clipping |
19:27:38 | Windows_X | ok |
19:27:47 | safetydan | The replay gain one should do in a pinch |
19:27:57 | preglow | safetydan: yes, it should |
19:28:03 | preglow | safetydan: it just needs to be modified |
19:28:10 | Windows_X | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=37076 Could you guy take a look at it? |
19:28:17 | preglow | i don't have time right now |
19:28:50 | preglow | safetydan: you just need to make sure our use and replaygain use can coexist in peace |
19:28:52 | safetydan | Windows_X, a couple of comments, band 0 and 4 are shelf filters |
19:29:09 | safetydan | Windows_X, so changing Q from 0.7 is not recommended |
19:29:20 | dropandho | hey all- any update on the forums? |
19:29:28 | Windows_X | so what should be default Q? |
19:29:31 | preglow | 0.7 |
19:29:34 | Windows_X | ok |
19:29:36 | preglow | for filter 0 and 4 |
19:29:43 | preglow | the rest you can do whatever you want with |
19:30:14 | Windows_X | Can someone help me programming it in rockbox? |
19:30:23 | Windows_X | So ppl can make eq on the go |
19:30:26 | preglow | you _can_ use higher than 0.7 for the peaking filters, but the effect is a bit strange |
19:30:30 | Shadowarrior13 | rockbox already has EQ...doesn't it? |
19:31:01 | Windows_X | I mean this tool will help user generating eq file to suit up their genres and headphones |
19:31:25 | Windows_X | like mr. b wants to listen to pop songs with his earphone, he can make it done in simply way. |
19:31:37 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, rockbox has that. |
19:31:47 | preglow | brb |
19:31:53 | Windows_X | But parametric EQ is manual configuration |
19:31:56 | Windows_X | there's no wizard |
19:32:13 | Windows_X | to ask like what earphone he use and what genre he want to apply. |
19:32:35 | Windows_X | not many ppl who's expert about using parametric eq |
19:32:45 | safetydan | A wizard like interface is probably a bit much for portable use |
19:32:55 | Windows_X | this is console app |
19:33:01 | Windows_X | it should be done easily in simple way |
19:33:02 | Windows_X | \ |
19:33:15 | Windows_X | just some who can make plugin port this to rockbox when done |
19:33:30 | safetydan | Also, EQ is extremely subjective and I'm not sure pregenerated settings will work very well |
19:33:32 | Windows_X | like changing the way user input data from specifying number to up and down |
19:34:08 | Windows_X | i know it won't be surely perfect but at least its 50-80% ok for pre-made settings and user can tune it up little |
19:34:54 | Windows_X | http://www.lucifiar.net/download/eqgen.rar try it. you'll see it's easy to use in rockbox |
19:35:25 | safetydan | I don't actually use the EQ since I like my sound left alone as much as possible :) |
19:35:50 | Windows_X | but can you make it as plugin? |
19:35:55 | Windows_X | i'll give you code when it's done |
19:36:21 | petur | eq was made originally to compensate the output stage and speakers so you get a flat output... |
19:36:49 | petur | not to wreck the sound the artist created by blowing up certain frequencies |
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19:37:09 | dropandho | slasheri- you round? |
19:37:10 | Windows_X | yaa |
19:37:20 | Windows_X | at this stage, it serves the right purpose |
19:37:28 | Windows_X | to tune up sound to flat output |
19:37:39 | safetydan | Windows_X, it is possible, but I'm unlikely to do it as I wouldn't use it. If you can code in DOS, you can do code for rockbox. If you do it yourself, submit a patch to the tracker and someone will look at it |
19:37:42 | Windows_X | only flat and bass/treble focused for sound correction |
19:37:58 | Windows_X | how to make rockbox plugin> |
19:38:00 | Windows_X | ? |
19:38:26 | petur | have a look at the helloworld plugin |
19:38:36 | lamed | preglow, safetydan: I usually use replaygain's preamp to downscale so I could use around 12 db of amplitute without clipping. So I figured a few things: first of all, now that hardware bass/treble may clip, they should be pournounced in the peakmeter. second, prevent clipping and pre-amp options from replaygain are more appropriate under somewhere in the sound setting / equalizer menus, where they will effect even if replygain is off |
19:38:42 | petur | apps/plugins/helloworld.c |
19:39:11 | preglow | presets for certain types of headphones are always useful |
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19:39:29 | Windows_X | yaa. that's why I want to make it |
19:39:33 | preglow | lamed: clipping _is_ pronounced in the peak meter |
19:39:41 | Windows_X | it can handle lots of earphone in single file. |
19:40:04 | preglow | eq for certain kinds of music genres i think are useless |
19:40:08 | preglow | but sure, others may disagree |
19:40:13 | Windows_X | i think so |
19:40:19 | Windows_X | but more genres are from users' request |
19:40:30 | Windows_X | right now i made only volume boost and bass/treble correction. |
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19:40:54 | lamed | preglow: only SW clips are. if you boost bass freq 24 db by the HW, sound may clip, but you won't see it in the peakmeter |
19:41:26 | Windows_X | why don't you guy give it a try to see how it works? |
19:41:32 | lamed | as I said: hardware bass and treble do not effect peakmeter |
19:41:34 | Windows_X | it can be done in a min. |
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19:42:10 | Windows_X | i'll give a short example |
19:42:22 | Windows_X | some complained ep880 from creative give too less bass |
19:42:40 | Windows_X | in the mean time, ep630 give too much and bloated bass |
19:42:42 | lamed | ...use replaygain's preamp to downscale so I could use around 12 db of amplitute without clipping. <- amping an EQ band, that is |
19:42:45 | preglow | lamed: we can't control the hw eq |
19:42:49 | preglow | lamed: we don't know if it clips or not |
19:43:00 | Windows_X | yaa |
19:43:05 | preglow | lamed: and you shouldn't combine the hw eq with the sw eq anyway |
19:43:09 | Windows_X | it's from per-earphone configuration. |
19:44:01 | lamed | preglow: we _do_ exactly know what band is controlled via HW bass/treble right? |
19:44:02 | Windows_X | btw, should i set bass/treble boost in rockbox to 0 when use parametric eq? |
19:44:37 | lamed | windows_x : they don't effect each other |
19:44:52 | Windows_X | it does |
19:45:04 | Windows_X | sound clipping fixed when i reduced bass level from rockbox |
19:45:06 | lamed | you can set them to whatever you like, but keep in mind that this is some of the reason why you hear 'cracks' |
19:45:10 | Windows_X | but i'll lose nice bass sound |
19:45:15 | Windows_X | ok |
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19:45:54 | safetydan | Windows_X, bass/treble settings are handled in hardware *after* the software EQ processing |
19:46:08 | safetydan | you probably want them at 0 and let the EQ do the work |
19:46:30 | Windows_X | ok |
19:46:39 | preglow | lamed: we know _rougly_ which frequencies are affected by the hardware eq, but we can never know if it'll clip the sound or not |
19:46:56 | safetydan | Windows_X, for developing your own plugin take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide to start |
19:46:58 | preglow | to know that, we'd have to do a full frequncy analysis of the input sound |
19:47:20 | Windows_X | btw, anybody using shure or sony earphone? |
19:47:29 | preglow | and a analysis of the hardware eq filters |
19:47:41 | preglow | i'd rather just plain and simple disable the hw eq if you use the sw eq |
19:47:42 | Kingstone | my friend has shure |
19:47:48 | Kingstone | e3c |
19:48:00 | preglow | if you use the software eq, there's no reason you should use the hw eq as well, unless you really like complicating things for yourself |
19:48:07 | safetydan | I have a pair of Sony MDR-V6's |
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19:49:12 | Windows_X | could you guys try this app and measure bass/treble and volume data in my app, please? |
19:49:29 | Windows_X | I want to know how many bass/treble it should be increased or decreased |
19:49:33 | lamed | brb |
19:49:58 | JonSenior | Hi guys. I've been reading through the logs, but couldn't find the answer to this so sorry if it's a dumb question... |
19:50:44 | JonSenior | H300 LCD Remote - I have one, but despite using a build post Linus' remote commit, the buttons are still different to the main unit |
19:50:59 | Windows_X | last question, is iriver h300 is the model that went most far than all others? |
19:51:00 | safetydan | Windows_X, can't try it unless you have a Linux version |
19:51:03 | JonSenior | Is this an ongoing thing, or have I buggered something up? |
19:51:14 | petur | the commit of Linus added remote detection, not button fixes |
19:51:19 | JonSenior | Ahhhh |
19:51:34 | JonSenior | So the modified mapping is still needed. |
19:52:01 | JonSenior | Now all I need to do is rebuild the cross-compiler on my crappy laptop... |
19:52:06 | Windows_X | safetydan, i'll give you code to compile and use it |
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19:52:54 | safetydan | Windows_X, no time for that at the moment, sorry |
19:53:03 | Windows_X | ok |
19:53:14 | Windows_X | then tell me about your eq settings, please. |
19:53:20 | Windows_X | oh |
19:53:23 | Windows_X | you said you dun use that |
19:53:49 | Windows_X | Sony V6 sounds perfectly from the beginning, right? |
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19:54:11 | safetydan | it's pretty flat, with a nudge of bass |
19:54:27 | Windows_X | should it has more bass or treble? |
19:55:01 | safetydan | I like the default sound, hence why I don't touch the EQ |
19:55:20 | Windows_X | so bass and treble is perfect there. |
19:56:06 | safetydan | for me yes |
19:56:09 | safetydan | for someone else, who knows |
19:56:31 | Paprica | lamed? |
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19:57:17 | Windows_X | do you know where i can find rockboxed users besides mistenriver and rockbox site? |
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19:57:25 | Windows_X | i need someone to test it and report me data |
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19:58:06 | JonSenior | bye |
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19:59:31 | safetydan | Windows_X, you might want to try the Headwize forums as they spend a lot of time listening to headphones. They're not necessarily rockbox users though |
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20:00:00 | Windows_X | how to listen? |
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20:02:11 | lamed | hey ben. ever found that original submitter you were looking yesterday? |
20:02:51 | Kingstone | lamed, did you know that your nickname is an hebrew letter? |
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20:03:04 | lamed | heheheehe |
20:03:14 | lamed | kingstone: my name's shachar liberman |
20:03:19 | lamed | i'm from herzlia :DDDD |
20:03:26 | lamed | my friends call me Lamed |
20:03:34 | Windows_X | Is band 80,252,997,4002,12000 hz correct for default eq? |
20:03:56 | NicoFR | would someone have a working function to strop the filename from a full path ? |
20:04:06 | NicoFR | mine worked on sim but not on target... |
20:04:19 | NicoFR | strop = strip |
20:04:53 | safetydan | Windows_X, no |
20:05:03 | Paprica | lamed, i'm searching for his real name |
20:05:07 | lamed | kingstone: where you from? |
20:05:11 | Paprica | i want to commit the patch |
20:05:23 | safetydan | Windows_X, 60, 200, 800, 4000, 12000 |
20:05:25 | lamed | paprica: yes, i've read on yesterday' irc log |
20:05:37 | safetydan | Windows_X, that's the default in Rockbox anyway |
20:05:45 | Paprica | do you know his real name? |
20:05:53 | Windows_X | <safetydan> Windows_X, 60, 200, 800, 4000, 12000 <<< i heard its not 100% work as that so some pitched it |
20:06:18 | lamed | paprica: I say submit the patch and leave him a message on the sourceforge's patch item. he already replied there once so I guess he'll do that again. |
20:06:36 | lamed | (the important part is giving him the credits :) |
20:07:17 | Paprica | for him and for you =] |
20:09:10 | safetydan | Windows_X, what do you mean? These are defaults that Rockbox ships with. |
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20:09:15 | lamed | don't worry i'm in the list before of you :DDD |
20:09:35 | Paprica | yeah, i know =] |
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20:10:19 | Windows_X | some eq has slightly different in hz |
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20:10:57 | safetydan | Well people will modify it to whatever suits them. |
20:11:10 | safetydan | There's no one true correct setting for the cutoffs |
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20:12:09 | Windows_X | but i want to know ones for common headphones |
20:12:30 | safetydan | it will vary depending on the headphones and the persons preference |
20:12:54 | Windows_X | could rockbox ones be standard? |
20:13:11 | Windows_X | or ones i got from eq file in optimized build is? |
20:13:26 | Windows_X | btw, modifying eq less than 1.2db almost give me nothing |
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20:14:01 | preglow | that's your ear's fault, not rockbox' |
20:14:12 | safetydan | There is no standard. What the cutoff should be will depend on what needs correcting on the headphones to have a "flat" response |
20:14:18 | Windows_X | mine is ep880 |
20:14:20 | preglow | and it depends very much on which band you're adjusting |
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20:14:26 | Windows_X | it has very slightly changes |
20:14:52 | safetydan | Also your ears play a part in this. You might find that your own ears have to be compensated for to get a truly flat response |
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20:18:47 | lostlogic | c |
20:18:56 | * | lostlogic beats himself |
20:19:13 | muesli__ | no dobby..dont do it :) |
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20:23:00 | lamed | <preglow> and it depends very much on which band you're adjusting - or listening to... |
20:23:07 | Lyric | where can i download rockbox for the H340 UK version? |
20:25:07 | lamed | lyric i would try to find my way through http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall |
20:25:16 | Lyric | thank you |
20:26:05 | NicoFR | i've done a basic album art display patch |
20:26:17 | Paprica | ... |
20:26:18 | NicoFR | still very buggy though |
20:26:19 | Paprica | SF? |
20:26:22 | NicoFR | soon |
20:26:49 | Paprica | which type of image? |
20:26:54 | Paprica | bmp? |
20:26:54 | NicoFR | bitmap |
20:26:58 | Paprica | ok |
20:26:58 | NicoFR | cover.bmp in file dir |
20:27:20 | NicoFR | http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/album_art.patch |
20:27:38 | NicoFR | it works rather nicely on the sim but crashes my h300 quite often on file change |
20:28:47 | lamed | does someone knows a tool to batch change .txt files - > unicode files? |
20:29:02 | warewolf | heh |
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20:29:28 | warewolf | why would you want to double the size of a plain text file? |
20:30:02 | dropandho | so guys, no word on the forum? |
20:30:21 | safetydan | warewolf, depending on the encoding it wouldn't have to increase the size |
20:30:42 | safetydan | UTF-8 is pretty efficient (unless you're dealing with CJK characters) |
20:30:59 | warewolf | doesn't unicode go from "text" to "\x00t\x00e\x00x\x00t" ? |
20:31:04 | safetydan | no |
20:31:18 | safetydan | for normal alphabet it's identical to ASCII or latin1 |
20:31:31 | warewolf | then windows really, really sucks. |
20:31:38 | safetydan | unless you're encoding it as UCS-2 (UTF-16) or UCS-4 (UTF-32) |
20:31:41 | warewolf | becuase I see stuff like that inside executables all the damn time |
20:32:02 | safetydan | ah windows, yeah it defaults to UTF-16 for everything |
20:32:10 | safetydan | Java does the same |
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20:33:01 | lamed | warewolf: I read non-english .txt files. they are all corrupted since unicode support. wasn't it you that told me to change their encodings...? |
20:33:01 | preglow | linuxstb: there? |
20:33:11 | preglow | lamed: they need to be utf8 |
20:33:21 | preglow | the viewer hasn't been updated properly yet anyway |
20:33:34 | warewolf | lamed: nope, I'm no dev :) |
20:33:54 | Paprica | h100 users here? |
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20:34:01 | safetydan | lamed, there's a GNU tool called recode if you're on Linux |
20:34:23 | safetydan | you can do something like "recode latin1..utf-8 file > newfile" |
20:34:28 | NicoFR | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439120&aid=1434739&group_id=44306 |
20:34:49 | lamed | paprica: hey |
20:35:11 | lamed | safetydan: i believe it'll work on cygwin as well :D |
20:35:30 | Paprica | http://rapidshare.de/files/13651084/brickmania.rock.html |
20:35:30 | safetydan | lamed, it would indeed |
20:35:35 | Paprica | brickmania for h100 |
20:35:38 | Paprica | test it for me |
20:36:35 | lamed | sure |
20:36:42 | Shadowarrior13 | What language does rockbox run on? |
20:37:07 | warewolf | laidback |
20:37:11 | safetydan | Shadowarrior13, what do you mean? It's all written in C and assembler. |
20:37:15 | Shadowarrior13 | Ah, K. |
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20:37:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | NicoFR: So, does that load the album art from tags, or separate files per folder? I guess they're just displayed at the native size that you stored them as? |
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20:38:50 | NicoFR | yes it just displays cover.bmp stored in the file's dir |
20:39:01 | NicoFR | whatever it's size, which is not good |
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20:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | And where do you store nocover and loadingcover? /.rockbox/? |
20:40:32 | NicoFR | no, they are wps-specific |
20:40:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, right |
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20:43:30 | NicoFR | what i'm hoping is that someone more experienced than me in both C and rockbox will help me clean it up and make something elegant |
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20:45:57 | NicoFR | http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/album_art/ |
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20:46:49 | NicoFR | there i put two WPS you can use to test and also both loadingcover.bmp and nocover.bmp example bitmaps |
20:47:10 | Paprica | 10x ;] |
20:48:09 | San||ET | is album art being made? |
20:48:12 | | Nick San||ET is now known as San] (n=test@213-202-137-129.bas502.dsl.esat.net) |
20:48:38 | NicoFR | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439120&aid=1434739&group_id=44306 |
20:48:52 | San] | niiiice |
20:49:01 | NicoFR | still buggy though |
20:49:13 | San] | ah |
20:49:22 | San] | 75 X 75, right? |
20:49:23 | NicoFR | i need help from experienced devs to clean it up |
20:49:31 | San] | :D |
20:49:41 | NicoFR | that's what i use but actually there's no check |
20:49:52 | San] | does it work for you? |
20:50:02 | NicoFR | on sim, rather well |
20:50:09 | San] | nice |
20:50:10 | San] | :D |
20:50:15 | NicoFR | on h300 it crashes when i change songs :( |
20:50:17 | perpleXa | png/jpeg/gif support would be nice :) |
20:50:56 | NicoFR | that will be much harder as the wps code only supports bitmap atm |
20:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | perpleXa: There's already .bmp loading code built into rockbox though. |
20:51:22 | NicoFR | plus it requires more CPU power |
20:51:35 | perpleXa | it wont, actually |
20:51:43 | perpleXa | well |
20:52:00 | perpleXa | decoding jpeg and decompressing pngs could be a bit slower |
20:52:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thus the "more CPU power" |
20:52:14 | perpleXa | but i guess its not THAT slow :) |
20:52:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, it's unnecessary though |
20:52:26 | NicoFR | exactly |
20:52:41 | NicoFR | the converting can be done at once on the computer |
20:52:42 | perpleXa | album art at all is pretty unneccessary |
20:53:02 | perpleXa | tbh :) |
20:53:11 | ts-x | Unneccessary, but very nice! |
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20:54:03 | perpleXa | well, i'd like to have png support at all, for nice alpha-effect using themes :) |
20:54:23 | perpleXa | but i guess there's a bit more important to do... |
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20:56:08 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm around now. |
20:57:05 | * | safetydan wonders that insane person will implement alpha blending in Rockbox... |
20:57:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | perpleXa: Alpha effects in themes would probably be a much more considerable CPU drain than just decoding various formats. |
20:57:53 | preglow | linuxstb: something funky is up when changing the cpu freq, not only does rockbox output white noise when i do, but the peak meter shows full scale all the time as well |
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20:58:07 | preglow | linuxstb: so rockbox actually seems to see white noise as well |
20:58:15 | preglow | linuxstb: what this indicates i do not know... |
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21:00:08 | Lear | nicofr: you never decrease img_buf_ptr, do you? |
21:00:32 | linuxstb | preglow: When do you change the cpu frequency? Are you just doing it in system_init() |
21:00:45 | NicoFR | Lear: i don't think so |
21:01:05 | preglow | linuxstb: no idea, i just let rockbox do it for me |
21:01:06 | amiconn | preglow: You *are* at 3 insns for the clamping on arm |
21:01:08 | Lear | safetydan: insane? mobile phones do that, with roughly the same cpu power (aside from any dsp:s). |
21:01:19 | preglow | amiconn: i know, i thought of a better way |
21:01:33 | NicoFR | i had to repost on the patch tracker... i hadn't noticed i wasn't logged in :( |
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21:01:47 | Lear | nicofr: well, I expect that could explain a few crashes. |
21:02:00 | NicoFR | maybe :-p |
21:02:04 | NicoFR | i'll look into it |
21:02:04 | amiconn | ..even w/o branching |
21:02:22 | safetydan | Lear, do they? I haven't used a mobile newer than about five years old :) |
21:03:13 | safetydan | AFAIK they usually have some sort of GPU though |
21:03:15 | Paprica | NicoFR, where the files need to be? |
21:03:21 | Lear | Well, I can only speak for my Sony Ericsson V800 for sure... |
21:03:30 | preglow | linuxstb: i've also tried reiniting the codec right after i switch cpu freqs, which really just makes it worse |
21:03:32 | NicoFR | Paprica: what files ? |
21:03:46 | Paprica | nocover.bmp|loadingcover.bmp |
21:03:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lear: Do they do real alpha effects, or do they just fake it since the interface is generally fairly limited anyway? |
21:03:56 | NicoFR | in the WPS bitmap dir |
21:04:13 | Paprica | ok\ |
21:04:14 | preglow | amiconn: arm is really suited to small conditional stuff like that, so it _should_ be able to fit in that few instructions |
21:04:22 | Lear | safetydan: some, perhaps. Others have some sort of hardware to help video decoding at least. |
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21:05:17 | Lear | paul_the_nerd: real alpha blending, afaik, e.g., as in having a cursor bar that darkens or brightens the background image. |
21:05:19 | amiconn | preglow: YOu could use the conditional stuff the same way as on coldfire, but it wouldn't save an instruction |
21:05:43 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, and it would branch |
21:05:46 | amiconn | It would just mean that the cmp would go before the first conditional move |
21:05:55 | amiconn | No, it wouldn't branch |
21:06:45 | amiconn | cmp %[v], #255 |
21:07:03 | safetydan | Lear, according to Sony that phone has 3D support. I'd say it has a GPU of some sort :) |
21:07:11 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe you're right |
21:07:20 | preglow | amiconn: i think i am, that's the first approach i did |
21:07:27 | preglow | amiconn: and i couldn't make it work |
21:07:54 | amiconn | It would only work if you could combine conditions |
21:08:04 | safetydan | woah... when did mobile phones start supporting SVG? |
21:08:05 | preglow | yeah, and you can't combine those, i think |
21:08:10 | Lear | 3D? You mean as in Java-based 3D gfx? :) I strongly doubt dedicated 3D hardware though... |
21:08:22 | amiconn | like 'no carry _and_ negative' |
21:08:57 | amiconn | You can combine some flags on coldfire, but not all combinations are possible |
21:09:34 | preglow | arm has more or less exactly the same set of conditions as coldfire |
21:09:44 | safetydan | Lear, the product page claims "3D Graphics"... who knows that this actually means |
21:10:00 | linuxstb | cube...? |
21:10:28 | preglow | amiconn: actually, arm has one more: the AL (always) condition :-) |
21:10:33 | preglow | amiconn: apart from that, they're exactly the same |
21:10:39 | safetydan | apparently it something to do with JSR-184 or "Mobile 3D Graphics API for the Java ME Platform" |
21:11:18 | * | preglow shoots java in the face and runs |
21:12:22 | amiconn | Coldfire also has an 'always' condition (and a 'never' condition too) |
21:12:31 | amiconn | They're called T and F |
21:12:41 | amiconn | Only available for Scc, not for Bcc |
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21:14:14 | preglow | amiconn: ok, in this case they've got the exact same set of conditions |
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21:14:45 | preglow | s/this/that/ |
21:17:07 | Lear | safetydan: suspected that; they've implemented some Java API. Says nothing about hardware, really. :) |
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21:21:40 | safetydan | How big is the stack? |
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21:22:49 | preglow | depends where you are |
21:22:49 | Lear | which stack? |
21:22:56 | safetydan | main thread |
21:23:06 | safetydan | Whichever thread executes onplay() |
21:23:42 | safetydan | actually forget it, I should just handle this properly instead of doing it the lazy recursive way |
21:24:14 | amiconn | main stack is 8KB |
21:24:15 | petur | what does I40:PDIR1FULL mean (on H3x0)? |
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21:28:01 | preglow | well |
21:28:04 | linuxstb | "Processor data in 1 Full" (according to grep system.c) |
21:28:06 | preglow | what that iterrupt means :-) |
21:28:31 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, no quick guesses as to what i can do to make cpu freq switching work? |
21:28:37 | preglow | i'm not familiar with thr audio drivers |
21:28:39 | preglow | the |
21:28:56 | linuxstb | Are you keeping the run state at 24MHz/ |
21:28:56 | linuxstb | ? |
21:31:10 | preglow | right now i'm not even touching the freq |
21:31:14 | preglow | it's 75mhz at all times |
21:31:29 | preglow | i'm going to wait until that works before i'll try anything more fancy |
21:31:49 | linuxstb | So what are you doing? |
21:32:01 | preglow | just enabled HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ and made rockbox compile |
21:32:18 | preglow | using the set_ipod_cpu_frequency function as the set_cpu_frequency function |
21:32:26 | preglow | and removed the call from system_init |
21:33:01 | linuxstb | Have you tried keeping it in system_init? I think we will need to do that initialisation. |
21:33:49 | preglow | none of the other platforms do? |
21:35:09 | preglow | anyway, it doesn't matter if i keep it there |
21:35:18 | preglow | the exact same thing happens |
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21:36:53 | preglow | besides |
21:37:06 | preglow | set_cpu_freq is called just after system_init when CPU_HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_BLAH is set anyway |
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21:38:59 | linuxstb | Yes, I just noticed that... |
21:39:02 | needleboy | anyone knows why the apps\bitmaps files are missing from the bleeding edge source on the website? |
21:39:45 | imphasing | linuxstb: What's your name? I need to credit you in my source. |
21:40:07 | perpleXa | why just dont add "linuxstb" :P |
21:40:38 | petur | the wiki has a nick <-> name table |
21:40:48 | preglow | just call him Tuesday the Giant Monkey |
21:40:51 | preglow | he'll appreciate that |
21:40:51 | petur | link is on the IRC page |
21:40:53 | needleboy | lol |
21:40:56 | imphasing | ok |
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21:41:45 | linuxstb | preglow: Maybe it's calling that code twice that causes problems. Do you know what any of it actually does? |
21:42:06 | needleboy | no one? |
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21:44:20 | preglow | linuxstb: does it get called twice if i don't call it in system_init ? |
21:44:24 | preglow | linuxstb: i know what some of it does... |
21:45:05 | preglow | right, it might of course be called all the time |
21:46:07 | linuxstb | You may also want to look at wmcodec_init() in drivers/wm8975.c - that has more cryptic outl commands related to clocks |
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21:47:17 | preglow | linuxstb: i've had a look at that, and it looks fine to me. afaik, the codec is connected directly to the 24mhz xtal |
21:48:13 | preglow | but honestly, running at anything lower than 75mhz, do we want that? |
21:48:29 | preglow | the gui will be hell |
21:49:14 | amiconn | bbl |
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21:49:22 | preglow | we'll pretty much have to boost as soon as something happens |
21:49:22 | linuxstb | Yes, but most of the time the GUI isn't doing anything - the player is in your pocket and you're listening to music. |
21:49:38 | preglow | what about peak meter at 25mhz... |
21:49:54 | preglow | i still don't get how the peak meter can be so slow |
21:50:08 | preglow | but yeah, figuring out how to do freq changing is a good thing anyway |
21:51:11 | preglow | btw, what do you think are nice frequencies to stick to? |
21:52:10 | linuxstb | 25MHz would be similar to the Coldfire - about 1/3 of full-speed. |
21:52:28 | preglow | and also incredibly slow |
21:52:40 | preglow | i think perhaps something around 35 would be better |
21:52:46 | preglow | we'll see |
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21:57:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity, have you tested how waking the cop affects things? |
21:57:49 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, i don't get this, i now made set_cpu_frequency a dummy function, and just init everything in system_init as before, it STILL doesn't work |
21:57:56 | preglow | so something's probably fishy someplace else |
21:59:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oops, by "things" I meant "how much it hurts battery life" |
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22:00:35 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: nah, to wake it, we need something for it to wake to |
22:00:41 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: and i haven't bothered with that yet |
22:00:50 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: but my guess would be "a lot" |
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22:01:02 | preglow | cpu is pretty much the largest power sucker in the ipod |
22:01:04 | preglow | nano |
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22:03:01 | Domonoky | Paprica, are you there ? |
22:03:11 | Paprica | thanks gof |
22:03:12 | Paprica | god |
22:03:16 | Paprica | =] |
22:03:25 | Domonoky | i just read the log.. :-) |
22:03:27 | Paprica | i search for your real name from the noon |
22:03:41 | Domonoky | <- Dominik Wenger |
22:03:47 | Paprica | ok |
22:04:13 | Paprica | thanks |
22:04:29 | Domonoky | np :-) |
22:04:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I was just wondering, the UI is sluggish when playing MP3, battery life is ~half of the normal Nano life. To me it seems a pretty considerable performance difference from the retail OS, and I was wondering if you'd made sure it was actually sleeping / not draining battery. |
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22:05:33 | * | safetydan goes cross-eyed with recursive directory merging... |
22:05:49 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: if it wasn't sleep, it'd be running rampant and making all kinds of weird bugs like we used to see before |
22:06:09 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: the cpu freq we're running at probably has a larger impact than you'd think |
22:06:37 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: if i can do more to make it use less power, i don't know how |
22:07:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I dunno, it seems that you'd be running at 90+% boost anyway for decoding at the moment, so I can't see it improving the battery life on a benchmark too much once you can change it, would it? |
22:08:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Not criticizing, just trying to think of it in a "I wonder how they did it" manner. It doesn't seem like they'd waste money on something with a cop unless they used it. |
22:08:59 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: oh, they use it |
22:09:04 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: reason we don't is it's going to be hard |
22:09:21 | preglow | we'll solve the ui sluggishness problem when we start using the second core |
22:09:39 | preglow | we will use it eventually, but until we do, it's sooo much simpler to use just one core while we develop |
22:10:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very understandable. |
22:11:59 | Paprica | is it ok for the nano and the h100? |
22:11:59 | Paprica | +#if ((LCD_WIDTH >= 220) && (LCD_HEIGHT >= 176) && (LCD_DEPTH == 16)) || ((LCD_WIDTH == 160) && (LCD_HEIGHT == 128) && (LCD_DEPTH==2)) |
22:12:08 | Paprica | no nano |
22:12:13 | Paprica | blah |
22:12:19 | Paprica | ipod, h300, h100 |
22:12:39 | Domonoky | nanos need smaller pics i think.. |
22:12:46 | Paprica | yep |
22:12:49 | Paprica | i know |
22:12:59 | Paprica | nano is the next target.. |
22:13:05 | Domonoky | :-) |
22:13:15 | Mikachu | hooray |
22:13:18 | preglow | \O/ |
22:13:20 | Mikachu | brickmania? |
22:13:23 | Paprica | yep |
22:13:26 | * | Paul_The_Nerd cheers. |
22:13:29 | Mikachu | preglow: have you been able to test my shutdown fix patch? |
22:13:35 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has been waiting for Nano brickmania for a while. ;-) |
22:13:40 | preglow | Mikachu: no, but i'd love to do it right now, url please |
22:13:59 | * | Mikachu prods sf |
22:14:24 | Mikachu | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1430040&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
22:15:13 | Mikachu | the function like 10 lines up in the same file that sets sleeping has the same ifdef |
22:17:04 | preglow | Mikachu: down, you mean? |
22:17:10 | pyro | Twiki mentions the bootloader intentionally does not boot to RockBox firmware when plugged in with AC or USB because the charging code is updated. What charging code are they referring to? What is left to do with it? |
22:17:13 | Mikachu | that's entirely possible |
22:19:14 | preglow | Mikachu: so the lag in shutdown is rockbox waiting for the disk to sleep? |
22:19:53 | Mikachu | yeah |
22:20:02 | Mikachu | and when it finally shuts down it's because of the forced shutdown in the timer |
22:20:21 | Mikachu | i'm not sure how critical the things after the wait for disksleep are, but they aren't being run as it is now |
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22:20:55 | preglow | ok |
22:20:59 | preglow | i'll just commit this, then |
22:21:00 | preglow | seems to work fine |
22:21:10 | Mikachu | i hope i don't break all the builds again |
22:21:28 | preglow | i shall kill you if you do |
22:21:41 | preglow | then fire your corpse into the stratosphere |
22:22:30 | Mikachu | i think that's a worthy death |
22:22:30 | preglow | there |
22:22:34 | preglow | close the patch if you can |
22:23:08 | Mikachu | okay |
22:24:14 | Paprica | preglow, can u close patch #1418787 for me? |
22:25:14 | Paprica | blah i hope that i didnt forget nothing =] |
22:26:59 | preglow | can't you close it yourself? |
22:27:11 | Paprica | no i dont have SF access |
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22:28:39 | preglow | linuxstb: this is absurd, i'm running at 60mhz, and a 320kbps _just_ manages to decode, how come the 15 extra mhz up to 75mhz can't keep the peak meter going? |
22:29:38 | linuxstb | I don't know. Ask gcc.... |
22:30:30 | preglow | there's got to be something wrong somewhere else |
22:30:30 | preglow | btw |
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22:30:35 | preglow | doesn't seem like anything above 75mhz works |
22:30:45 | preglow | i get different variations of ata errors if i try |
22:31:08 | Paprica | Domonoky_, committed =] |
22:31:17 | Domonoky_ | nice :-) |
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22:33:39 | Paprica | preglow, thanks |
22:33:58 | preglow | np |
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22:35:32 | preglow | damn, you can actually decode quite large pictures without stopping playback now |
22:35:35 | preglow | sweet |
22:35:47 | NicoFR | could someone delete patch #1434739 ? |
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22:36:23 | preglow | sure, why not |
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22:37:51 | preglow | why? it's not been accepted? |
22:38:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | He wasn't logged in when he made it, I believe. |
22:38:28 | NicoFR | it's duplicate with the one just above, i forgot to log in |
22:38:32 | preglow | ok, dupe |
22:38:48 | preglow | done |
22:38:52 | NicoFR | thanks |
22:39:09 | Mikachu | preglow: how hard would it be to make the bootloader go apple if the usb cable is in? |
22:39:13 | NicoFR | btw, have you had a look at the patch ? |
22:39:15 | Mikachu | i'm just after a hack for myself |
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22:41:04 | preglow | Mikachu: no idea |
22:42:16 | preglow | both wavpack and flac decode realtime at 24 mhz |
22:42:50 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Try testing (GPIOB_INPUT_VAL & 0x01) - that may tell you if usb is inserted. 1 means no, 0 means yes. |
22:43:30 | Arrogant | Is there a hack available to make the default OS boot up by default instead of rockbox? |
22:43:35 | Mikachu | what about this one, #define USB_STATUS (*(volatile unsigned long*)(0xc50001a4)) |
22:44:10 | Shadowarrior13 | Stupid effed up USB detection >.< |
22:44:15 | linuxstb | preglow: Wow, I'm impressed by that. |
22:44:29 | linuxstb | But I guess they can almost do that on Coldfire... |
22:44:49 | linuxstb | Shadowarrior13: It only seems to be your ipod..... |
22:45:18 | muesli__ | test |
22:45:40 | preglow | linuxstb: bet the data cache helps somewhat |
22:45:41 | linuxstb | NicoFR: You should look up the strrchr function.... |
22:46:04 | preglow | at least i can make flac a bunch faster, i'm pretty sure of that |
22:46:08 | * | preglow feels the urge to optimise |
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22:46:37 | Paprica | somthing wrong with the screendump but, |
22:46:38 | Paprica | http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9065/dump0602192344471zy.png |
22:46:38 | NicoFR | linuxstb: what does it do ? |
22:47:03 | Paprica | NicoFR: http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/cstring/ |
22:47:14 | linuxstb | NicoFR: Also, why do you increment data->img_buf_ptr after reading the album art? You could just leave it as it is, and that will be where you load the next image. |
22:47:39 | NicoFR | yes i changed that |
22:47:56 | NicoFR | it helps a bit but doesn't solve everything |
22:48:42 | NicoFR | one problem i have is that the album_art function which loads the album art is called several times (twice i think) when the playing file is changed |
22:49:05 | NicoFR | and also i'd like to load the album art only if the dir changes |
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22:50:50 | NicoFR | linuxstb: i don't see where strchr would help me... |
22:50:57 | linuxstb | strrchr |
22:50:59 | * | preglow goes wide-eyed |
22:51:10 | NicoFR | ah ok |
22:51:13 | NicoFR | now i see |
22:51:17 | linuxstb | :) |
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22:51:25 | linuxstb | Rockbox has an implementation of it. |
22:51:34 | preglow | linuxstb: you ready to do some testing for me? |
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22:52:01 | linuxstb | Sure. I'll be back in a few minutes. |
22:52:07 | preglow | gr8, i'll brush up some stuff |
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22:57:21 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm back... |
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22:57:41 | preglow | linuxstb: ten secs |
22:58:05 | linuxstb | Are you giving me a patch? |
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22:58:45 | * | linuxstb has far too many rockbox trees in his home directory.... |
22:58:53 | preglow | linuxstb: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
22:58:59 | preglow | linuxstb: just unzip that, my tree's too messy for a patch |
22:59:04 | preglow | linuxstb: and mind your ears |
22:59:59 | linuxstb | Ok. headphones not in ears then... |
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23:00:11 | preglow | linuxstb: if it just doesn't spew white noise, take a look at the audio thread debug screen and see if something's up |
23:00:12 | linuxstb | What target is it? |
23:00:15 | preglow | 4g |
23:00:17 | linuxstb | OK |
23:00:44 | preglow | does 4g and nano use different codecs? |
23:01:02 | linuxstb | No. |
23:01:31 | preglow | there can be no doubt that it works on my nano right now, at least |
23:01:33 | preglow | ask me not why |
23:01:40 | preglow | or how |
23:01:58 | preglow | pcm buffer bar skips up and down in tandem with the cpu freq |
23:02:23 | Mikachu | what do you press on a nano to get to the failsafe mode? |
23:02:36 | Mikachu | i haven't broken anything yet, i want to check if that works first :) |
23:02:40 | linuxstb | It just freezes and stays in the file browser whenever I try and play music... |
23:02:48 | preglow | well, there you go... |
23:03:04 | preglow | wanna try for 5g? |
23:03:17 | linuxstb | Sure, break all my ipods... |
23:03:24 | Shadowarrior13 | I can test >.> |
23:03:25 | Shadowarrior13 | <.< |
23:03:50 | * | amiconn is really puzzled by the player sim code |
23:03:51 | preglow | i'm demanding like that |
23:03:57 | preglow | any people with nanos in here? |
23:04:09 | Mikachu | o/ |
23:04:10 | linuxstb | I would say post it on the forums, but..... |
23:04:36 | amiconn | How the ??? do both win32 and x11 sim manage to display the charcell pixels as 4x4 with zoom == 1 ??? |
23:04:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Yo |
23:04:51 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Don't do it.... |
23:05:08 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yo, you keen to test my stuff? |
23:05:10 | preglow | haha |
23:05:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Hehehe. Always |
23:05:28 | preglow | at least it works on my nano |
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23:06:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, link me to a patch or a zip |
23:06:06 | preglow | gimme a sec |
23:06:18 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
23:06:21 | Shadowarrior13 | later... |
23:06:25 | preglow | linuxstb: the gui really is agony at 30mhz |
23:06:31 | Shadowarrior13 | <Paul_The_Nerd> Dude, my nano blew up! |
23:06:32 | linuxstb | I noticed... |
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23:07:02 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/nanotest.zip |
23:07:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: If he makes my Nano explode using just software, I'll probably send him a medal. |
23:07:07 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: again, mind your ears |
23:07:13 | Shadowarrior13 | Heh |
23:07:17 | Shadowarrior13 | Good point :P |
23:07:20 | Shadowarrior13 | That would be leet... |
23:07:39 | paulheu | Anyone here know what's up with the forum? |
23:07:44 | Shadowarrior13 | I remember reading an article about "dangerous hackers that can use your computer as a bomb" |
23:07:50 | Shadowarrior13 | I love misinformation :P |
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23:08:10 | yeahx | whats that nano test for? |
23:08:30 | preglow | yeahx: making it explode in your face |
23:09:05 | Shadowarrior13 | In yo FACE! |
23:09:17 | yeahx | oh ok, I'll pass on that I guess |
23:09:27 | preglow | no, it's just a dynamic cpu freq test |
23:09:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Dynamic, or just 24mhz? |
23:09:48 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: try playing music, should be dynamic |
23:09:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | 30/75 apparently |
23:10:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just saw it boost during playback |
23:10:00 | preglow | yeah, 30 and 75 |
23:10:11 | preglow | so it works? no sudden explosions of audio? |
23:10:42 | preglow | linuxstb: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/videotest.zip, if you're up for it |
23:10:44 | Shadowarrior13 | Or explosions period? |
23:10:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Works fine |
23:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | No explosions, music plays, no funny noises, skin irritation, or death. |
23:11:15 | linuxstb | preglow: My 4g is seriously ill. I've just rebooted, and it's telling me: "Prefetch abort at 60005FFE" |
23:11:44 | linuxstb | Another reboot, and it's fine.... |
23:11:45 | preglow | linuxstb: yes, i'd consider not using that rockbox any further |
23:11:56 | linuxstb | "consider" ? |
23:12:02 | preglow | heh |
23:12:31 | preglow | i'm only using code we've always used before, so nothing new should happen |
23:12:32 | linuxstb | I just tried playing music, and it's working.... |
23:12:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Just as a note, A q8 Ogg with replaygain enabled seems to be about 65% boost. |
23:12:44 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: not too shabby |
23:12:47 | preglow | linuxstb: what? |
23:13:00 | preglow | linuxstb: boosting and all? |
23:13:03 | linuxstb | Perfectly. :) |
23:13:08 | preglow | but.. |
23:13:20 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd is going to be hit soon |
23:13:30 | preglow | my ipod also bloody acted up for no reason whatsoever |
23:13:33 | preglow | then started working... |
23:13:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
23:13:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine was doing that last week, I beat you to it. |
23:13:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
23:13:45 | linuxstb | And now it just turned itself off.... |
23:13:57 | preglow | ghahah |
23:14:02 | linuxstb | I blame Rockbox - I'm going back to retailos. |
23:14:03 | preglow | production ready! |
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23:14:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most excellent |
23:14:46 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
23:14:53 | imphasing | linuxstb: Hit it; that works for me. |
23:14:54 | imphasing | :) |
23:15:31 | linuxstb | Why can't retailos see any of my music? |
23:15:36 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: weird...... a 112kbps mp3 runs at around that boost here... |
23:15:52 | preglow | because it sucks? |
23:15:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: and that was a 254kbps OGG |
23:17:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: 192kbps CBR MP3: ~67% under the same settings. |
23:17:23 | preglow | that makes no bloody sense |
23:17:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no choice but to agree with you. |
23:18:42 | preglow | but no, freq changing works just perfectly here |
23:18:48 | preglow | ui is sluggish as hell |
23:18:59 | preglow | so i don't know if i'd say i exactly like it |
23:19:26 | preglow | and if i scroll too fast, it skips... |
23:19:39 | linuxstb | But we should be able to get the UI working at 30MHz... |
23:19:49 | preglow | in what way, now |
23:20:07 | linuxstb | I just mean I'm surprised it feels so slow. |
23:20:22 | preglow | the fact that it seems to make 4gs vomit is also worth considering |
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23:20:34 | ReL0Ad3D | hello |
23:20:40 | linuxstb | I'm just trying my 5g now. |
23:20:40 | preglow | hElLo |
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23:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: My UI didn't seem any more sluggish than normal, but I wasn't doing much in it. |
23:21:46 | preglow | you do notice it pretty well if you scroll around on a file that doesn't boost |
23:21:50 | preglow | it's better than i'd imagined |
23:21:51 | preglow | but still |
23:21:59 | preglow | ui lag isn't acceptable in any degree |
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23:22:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd agrees |
23:22:16 | linuxstb | Seems stable on the 5g as well. |
23:23:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I must leave now. |
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23:23:26 | preglow | i guess finding out what's wrong on the 4g is going to be just like a weekend trip to heaven |
23:25:46 | preglow | but no, everything from test_fps to the audio thread debug agrees that it's working |
23:26:07 | preglow | i assume i should wait a bit before commiting? |
23:26:40 | preglow | now would be a fun time to do another flac bench |
23:27:40 | linuxstb | Strange. The same alac track has about a 60% boost on my 5g, but 100% on my 4g (until it crashes...) |
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23:28:56 | preglow | well, i'd take whatever the 4g seemed to do with a shovel of salt |
23:29:18 | Shadowarrior13 | That's a lot of salt. |
23:32:08 | amiconn | . . . . . |
23:32:24 | preglow | waht |
23:33:19 | amiconn | I found what's wrong with the playersim scaling... |
23:33:31 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/common/lcd-playersim.c?sortby=date&r2=1.16&r1=1.15 |
23:33:38 | ReL0Ad3D | anyone got updates on the gigabeat series? |
23:33:47 | amiconn | I wouldn't have expected that... |
23:34:30 | NicoFR | i updated my patch with your suggestions |
23:34:30 | NicoFR | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1434758&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
23:35:06 | amiconn | safetydan messed it up... anyway, now that I intended to do similar, at least I know that I'm not hallucinating |
23:35:38 | amiconn | I'll cut the icons and the bitmap itself in half as well |
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23:35:50 | amiconn | Should solve the sdl scaling problem |
23:36:03 | lostlogic | hmm, album art in wps -> backdrop placement possible? :) |
23:36:44 | webber | what happens with the rockbox board? |
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23:37:50 | preglow | hmm |
23:38:01 | preglow | i think i get what all the parts of the set_cpu_freq code does not |
23:38:15 | lostlogic | hopefully that's now, not not :-P |
23:38:37 | linuxstb | preglow: Add comments... |
23:38:37 | preglow | looks like it just sets the clock source to the xtal, then reconfigures the pll, waits for relock, then sets clock source to pll |
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23:38:46 | preglow | i'm just gueessing here |
23:38:52 | preglow | the first line i still don't get |
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23:39:35 | NicoFR | lostlogic: you want album art as backdrop ? |
23:39:51 | lostlogic | NicoFR: I think that'd be a neat feature... |
23:40:01 | lostlogic | I don't have any album art so I was just talkin' out my butt. |
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23:40:16 | NicoFR | maybe when regular album art is working ;) |
23:41:12 | NicoFR | going to bed now |
23:41:15 | NicoFR | gnight all |
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