| 00:01:46 | petur | why can (left == MAX_PEAK - 1) be less sensitive than (left >= MAX_PEAK - 1)? isn't 0x7fff max ? |
| 00:02:24 | amiconn | For MAS: yes, for swcodec: no |
| 00:02:41 | amiconn | Hah, that might be the problem: The negative value check... |
| 00:03:34 | lostlogic | petur: samples aren't clipped on swcodec until somewhere in the DSP code, until then, they are 32bits |
| 00:03:38 | amiconn | You might read 0x8000 |
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| 00:04:16 | petur | but they're read from the uda as 16bit |
| 00:04:24 | lostlogic | oohhh... right, sorry, recording. |
| 00:04:30 | amiconn | Yes, but then 2 things might happen: |
| 00:04:31 | petur | and handled as short int |
| 00:04:55 | petur | heh, I see... peakmeter uses ints... |
| 00:05:01 | amiconn | (1) YOu read them into a 16 bit value. -0x8000 will end up as -0x8000 again, because there is no +0x8000 |
| 00:05:13 | amiconn | (that's how two's complement works) |
| 00:05:46 | amiconn | (2) You read them into a 32 bit value. -0x8000 will end up as 0x00008000, and that is not equal to 0x00007fff |
| 00:05:46 | markun | Bagder: would you like to add the gb sim to the daily builds? |
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| 00:06:18 | DMJC-D | need some help with vfat screwed up and fsck sas two fat tables |
| 00:06:20 | DMJC-D | both intact |
| 00:06:23 | DMJC-D | which one should I choose? |
| 00:06:25 | DMJC-D | 1 or 2? |
| 00:06:34 | Bagder | markun: I'll do that tomorrow, need to go to sleep now |
| 00:06:44 | amiconn | markun: I think adding a sim only makes sense if at least basic code is already running on the actual target |
| 00:06:45 | markun | ok, good night, I'll go too |
| 00:07:09 | petur | I'm gonna say moo too |
| 00:07:32 | markun | amiconn: I can ask what the other think first |
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| 00:08:14 | Mikachu | heh, i was just thinking about kings quest 6 a couple of hours ago |
| 00:08:22 | Mikachu | ("heir today, gone tomorrow") |
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| 00:08:31 | DMJC-D | anyone? |
| 00:08:42 | markun | amiconn: maybe you are right and it would be a good motivation for me to hurry up :) |
| 00:08:54 | JdGordon | morning all |
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| 00:13:57 | DMJC-D | n/m |
| 00:15:25 | amiconn | DMJC-D: It's pretty much a guess |
| 00:16:13 | DMJC-D | yeah |
| 00:16:17 | DMJC-D | I think I did the wrong one |
| 00:16:22 | amiconn | You can't know which of the 2 tables has the correct entries. It may even be that some entries are mangled in one table which are correct in the other, and vice versa |
| 00:16:26 | DMJC-D | the optical output light came on on my mp3 player |
| 00:16:53 | DMJC-D | there is no way to know |
| 00:17:09 | amiconn | The best thing is to reformat and put the data back |
| 00:18:38 | DMJC-D | except the data isn't backed up :( |
| 00:18:54 | DMJC-D | seems to be fine tho |
| 00:19:01 | DMJC-D | I don't think I've added any music recently |
| 00:19:10 | DMJC-D | aka since the thing went screwey |
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| 01:29:39 | amiconn | yay! |
| 01:29:53 | JdGordon | awesome! |
| 01:29:54 | * | amiconn has the grayscale lib running on the SDL sim |
| 01:30:05 | JdGordon | :( oh... is that all? |
| 01:30:41 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I hate the color picker patch.... |
| 01:30:50 | JdGordon | haha really? |
| 01:31:16 | JdGordon | linuxstb: y? |
| 01:31:42 | * | JdGordon is asleep and has turned of his sarcasm detector thingamy |
| 01:31:57 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It's not personal - I'm understanding why you got bored of it... |
| 01:32:32 | JdGordon | what needs work in it? its working fine |
| 01:35:23 | linuxstb | In terms of features, mainly storing the colour as a single 24-bit hex number in the .cfg file, but a16-bit value in the config block. That turned out to be a pain, and I'm still not happy with how I've implemented it. |
| 01:35:44 | JdGordon | haha |
| 01:36:53 | JdGordon | just leave it as it was and call it quits? |
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| 01:39:23 | linuxstb | No, I'm determined to commit this thing before I go to sleep. It's 12.40am now.... |
| 01:39:51 | midkay | hahaha |
| 01:40:15 | Moos | good luck then :-) |
| 01:40:22 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 02:01:42 | linuxstb | Anyone fancy testing the colour picker before I commit it? |
| 02:02:28 | JdGordon | no, we trust u :D |
| 02:02:35 | linuxstb | Don't do that.... |
| 02:03:00 | JdGordon | k, ill test it if u want |
| 02:03:33 | linuxstb | OK, it's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/color_picker.diff |
| 02:03:41 | linuxstb | Hopefully you'll still recognise it... |
| 02:04:04 | linuxstb | I _think_ I've simplified it a little. |
| 02:05:58 | JdGordon | .. just cleaning up my tree... |
| 02:07:27 | JdGordon | grr... its not automatically patching... cant find the files... ill assume it works :p |
| 02:07:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: Why do you define ixhex() ? |
| 02:07:44 | amiconn | There's isxdigit() ... |
| 02:08:10 | linuxstb | Because I didn't know about isxdigit()... |
| 02:08:48 | linuxstb | Anything else? I'm sure the patch still isn't perfect. |
| 02:08:52 | JdGordon | linuxstb: youor missing color_picker.c in the pacth |
| 02:09:09 | amiconn | firmware/export/ctype.h |
| 02:09:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I am indeed... One moment. |
| 02:09:34 | amiconn | * firmware/include/ctype.h |
| 02:09:36 | JdGordon | and the .h by the looks of it |
| 02:10:16 | linuxstb | Patch updated. |
| 02:10:56 | linuxstb | .. and updated again to remove my ?s |
| 02:11:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: gui_splash.c: |
| 02:11:18 | amiconn | Gah, gui/splash.c: |
| 02:11:38 | amiconn | You assume the old fg & bg was the default, but that isn't necessarily the case |
| 02:11:45 | amiconn | (was wrong before, btw) |
| 02:12:16 | linuxstb | Yes, I was worried about that one. Should I call the get_fg/get_bg functions? |
| 02:12:33 | amiconn | There's lcd_get_background() and lcd_get_foreground, but I don't know whether these are promoted through the gui layer |
| 02:13:33 | linuxstb | Yes, they seem to be. |
| 02:14:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: would it be faster to skip the swap16() calls and just change the order in set_colour under the #elif LCD_PIXELFORMAT == RGB565SWAPPED buit? |
| 02:14:38 | JdGordon | rgb_val[0] = ((swap16(*color))&0xf800) >> 11; == rgb_val[2] = (*color)&0xf800) >> 11; |
| 02:15:40 | JdGordon | anyway, looks good... we can finally give the big fingure to that annoying code :D |
| 02:16:10 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That should probably be done through macros anyway - to get rid of the #ifdefs there. |
| 02:16:52 | amiconn | This calculation is wrong anyway |
| 02:17:14 | linuxstb | Which one? |
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| 02:17:53 | amiconn | rgb_val[0] = ((*color)&0xf800) >> 11; and friends in color_picker.c |
| 02:18:09 | linuxstb | Why is it wrong? It is to extract the native-depth RGB values, which is what is displayed on the RGB sliders. |
| 02:18:30 | amiconn | Yes, but just right-shifting is wrong |
| 02:18:51 | amiconn | Ignore me... |
| 02:20:34 | amiconn | that's still native |
| 02:21:13 | * | amiconn should stop confusing himself & others and go to sleep instead :/ |
| 02:23:06 | linuxstb | Just to summarise, the principle of the patch is that the three sliders contain the native ranges (currently 0..31, 0..63, 0..31), and the equivalent RGB888 colour is displayed underneath. The config block (and global_settings struct) contain the native value for the fg/bg colours (either RGB565 or RGB565SWAPPED), but the text .cfg files contain the RGB888 value written as 6 hex digits. |
| 02:23:41 | amiconn | yes, got that. |
| 02:24:23 | amiconn | It looks like it won't get confused by an RGB value in .cfg which doesn't exactly match a possible setting. |
| 02:24:29 | amiconn | good. |
| 02:26:51 | amiconn | Is the colour displayed 'live' in the picker? |
| 02:26:58 | linuxstb | Am I right to increment the config block version? If I don't then either people will get black-on-black displays, or I'll have to add code to check for it. |
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| 02:27:58 | linuxstb | Yes, there's a rectangle of the colour there. |
| 02:28:22 | linuxstb | It could do with some work to make the colour more visible when it is the same as the existing background, but as long as we're all happy with the way the data is written in the config block and files, we can improve the color picker later. |
| 02:28:25 | amiconn | The picker itself works from both main & remote? |
| 02:28:48 | linuxstb | No - it's only on the main screen. |
| 02:28:55 | amiconn | Oh |
| 02:29:47 | amiconn | A new multi-screen gui component that isn't multi-screen ... |
| 02:30:19 | linuxstb | I know... |
| 02:31:06 | * | amiconn summons TiMiD |
| 02:31:13 | amiconn | Probably won't work :/ |
| 02:36:57 | Moos | good night guys |
| 02:37:01 | linuxstb | I've removed the change from gui/splash.c - I'll look at that separately. Any objections before I commit? (I'm just doing some test compiles now) |
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| 02:37:53 | amiconn | The half-baked gui component... it reduces multi-screen completeness instead of increasing it |
| 02:38:30 | amiconn | While I don't use the remote myself, I can't say I like that |
| 02:38:54 | amiconn | It looks like a step back |
| 02:39:52 | linuxstb | I agree with that - but it's not exactly a useful screen to implement for mono remotes. |
| 02:41:05 | amiconn | Yes, but (1) who tells that we'll only have mono remotes? There's an lcd remote for X5 iirc. (2) All other settings for main LCD are also settable from the remote, and vice versa |
| 02:41:36 | amiconn | It's also a good opportunity to resolve a black-on-black situation |
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| 02:48:03 | linuxstb | OK, you've convinced me to have a look. Time to fire up the H300 sim. |
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| 02:58:52 | JdGordon | linuxstb: still there? |
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| 03:00:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: the black on black issue, u talking about it loading them as default when u upgrade? |
| 03:03:28 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes. |
| 03:04:14 | JdGordon | i fixed that by bumping the config block number thingy |
| 03:04:44 | JdGordon | i didnt do it oriognally cozz i thought u didnt need to if u only add to the end |
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| 03:21:04 | JdGordon | back |
| 03:23:18 | JdGordon | so whats better format ogg or mp3?? |
| 03:25:01 | ashridah | ogg |
| 03:25:06 | ashridah | well. ogg vorbis |
| 03:25:24 | ashridah | supports variable sized frames, so no dodgy hacks to get gapless |
| 03:25:27 | golf7 | o lord here it goes again |
| 03:25:36 | ashridah | has slightly better quality vs bitrate. |
| 03:25:41 | golf7 | true |
| 03:25:52 | golf7 | but doesnt support as many players, but rockbox does support both |
| 03:26:00 | golf7 | if you rip your own and only use rockbox, ogg |
| 03:26:08 | golf7 | if you want compatibility, mp3 APS |
| 03:27:25 | linuxstb | if you want compatibility, port Rockbox. |
| 03:27:29 | linuxstb | :) |
| 03:27:31 | JdGordon | haha |
| 03:28:50 | golf7 | true |
| 03:28:57 | linuxstb | It's working now, but choosing a colour on a mono remote is not useful.... |
| 03:28:58 | golf7 | but that is the simple explanation |
| 03:29:04 | golf7 | for mp3 vs ogg |
| 03:29:12 | golf7 | i my self use mp3, but others swear ogg |
| 03:29:19 | golf7 | its user choice |
| 03:30:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb: using colour->greyscale on the remote for the preview thingy? |
| 03:31:40 | linuxstb | No - there isn't enough room. |
| 03:31:45 | JdGordon | ok |
| 03:32:13 | linuxstb | I only display the rectangle on displays with depth > 1 as well. But as it doesn't fit anyway... |
| 03:32:21 | linuxstb | All you get is the three sliders. |
| 03:32:36 | linuxstb | Do you have an LCD remote? |
| 03:32:44 | JdGordon | nop |
| 03:32:48 | JdGordon | i have no remote at all |
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| 03:45:31 | Zoide777 | hi |
| 03:45:51 | Zoide777 | sorry if I always ask the same question but... any progress on the tagcache / id3 db? |
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| 03:48:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Patch committed :) |
| 03:48:12 | JdGordon | woohooo |
| 03:48:14 | JdGordon | now goto bed :D |
| 03:48:36 | Zoide777 | oh well, I guess nto |
| 03:48:38 | Zoide777 | *not |
| 03:48:44 | linuxstb | I'm glad amiconn persuaded me to implement it for the remote - it wasn't that hard in the end, and it looks cool. |
| 03:49:05 | linuxstb | Zoide777: We don't know. One person is working on tagcache, so only he can answer that question. |
| 03:49:51 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: k, thanks. |
| 03:51:12 | JdGordon | how often is the rb frontpage refresheed? |
| 03:55:04 | linuxstb | I'm not sure. |
| 03:55:30 | linuxstb | You can see the patch if you click on the timestamp at the top of the daily builds page. |
| 03:56:04 | JdGordon | weee :D |
| 03:57:17 | Zoide777 | hmm... I tried applying the multifont patch (downloaded it from the tracker) and got a "Hunk #2 FAILED at 62." message when it got to font.h |
| 03:57:38 | Zoide777 | has anyone else tried applying multifont-v01.patch? |
| 03:58:18 | JdGordon | not i |
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| 04:10:33 | * | linuxstb notices that the ipods have taken over the build table... |
| 04:11:55 | * | ashridah idly wonders if the reverse engineering work by ipodlinux would apply much to the iriver H10 and friends |
| 04:12:29 | * | JdGordon looks through mp3 folder looking for something to chuck on while he sets up his lappy for uni |
| 04:13:24 | imphasing | linuxstb: Everyone loves a bright white box |
| 04:13:24 | imphasing | :) |
| 04:14:21 | linuxstb | I prefer the sleek black boxes... |
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| 04:15:10 | JdGordon | actually now rb works on ipod im alot less prejudeced against them :D |
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| 04:16:10 | linuxstb | ashridah: Someone definitely needs to try a port to the H10. They've got the same portalplayer PP5020 as the ipod, and that's a system-on-a-chip, meaning that a LOT of the existing ipod code will just work as-is on the H10. |
| 04:16:49 | linuxstb | Similarly for the M-Audio Microtrack someone mentioned on the mailing list. |
| 04:19:42 | ashridah | mm. probably need to work out which LCD it's using, and take a look at the insides to find differences. |
| 04:20:29 | linuxstb | Yes, the LCD and button drivers would be the main obstacles. Plus finding a safe way to run code without risk of bricking. |
| 04:21:56 | Zoide777 | strange that even though ipod is so popular there are so few devs for it |
| 04:22:32 | Zoide777 | maybe it conforms to the stereotype of the ipod being for "the masses" as opposed to people who are more techy-oriented? |
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| 04:25:06 | JdGordon | probably.. |
| 04:27:20 | linuxstb | Interesting - someone just posted a test giving almost identical battery life for MP3 as FLAC on the iPod Color (5h 30m). We've definitely got work to do there.... |
| 04:28:06 | BHSPitLappy | is there something actually obstructing the task of battery reading on the ipods? |
| 04:28:22 | linuxstb | The number of hours in each day |
| 04:28:27 | BHSPitLappy | hehe :) |
| 04:30:18 | Zoide777 | haha |
| 04:31:38 | JdGordon | any1 know a good wm for linux that will work fine on a p133 with 32mb ram? ive for EDE atm which irritates me |
| 04:32:01 | Zoide777 | does anyone know if id3 tags work similarly for different file types? I'd like to see if I can patch the existing TagDatabase database builder so that it will also scan Wavpacks. (though i suppose it's not that easy, or else they'd probably have added in the first place) |
| 04:33:39 | linuxstb | Zoide777: That should work. |
| 04:34:12 | Zoide777 | JdGordon: Fluxbox is supposed to be pretty lightweight. but there's another one that i can't recall right now.. |
| 04:34:20 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: fvwm or fluxbox if you need to be completely minimal |
| 04:34:20 | linuxstb | gnight all. |
| 04:34:39 | JdGordon | nn |
| 04:34:49 | JdGordon | ye, i dont really like fb either |
| 04:34:50 | BHSPitLappy | xfce or icewm if you just want to be lightweight and still functional |
| 04:35:34 | Zoide777 | ah, yes |
| 04:35:35 | Zoide777 | xfce |
| 04:35:37 | Zoide777 | very fast |
| 04:35:45 | BHSPitLappy | and functional |
| 04:35:57 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: thanks i'll see what i can do. good ngiht |
| 04:36:06 | BHSPitLappy | do some google image searches, JdGordon |
| 04:36:36 | JdGordon | hmm. |
| 04:37:09 | mirak | JdGordon: xfce |
| 04:39:28 | Zoide777 | JdGordon: or Windows 95.... haha |
| 04:39:44 | Zoide777 | (if you had more ram) |
| 04:39:54 | JdGordon | well.... win98 works ok.. cept the network likes to die and it works better on linux.. |
| 04:41:10 | BHSPitLappy | I know IceWM can be made to look very similar to win98 ;) |
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| 04:51:06 | JdGordon | hmm.. so the X5 has a coloour screen aye? |
| 04:54:16 | midkay | yep |
| 04:54:17 | TCK | yes |
| 04:54:30 | TCK | finally, I contribute to the RB community! |
| 04:54:37 | midkay | haha. :) |
| 04:54:41 | midkay | i beat you!!!!! ;) |
| 04:54:49 | TCK | :( |
| 04:54:54 | midkay | sorry! :( |
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| 05:07:27 | Zoide777 | JdGordon: this article was just posted on Slashdot about running Linux on old hardware: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/02/25/2117223.shtml |
| 05:07:55 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 05:07:58 | JdGordon | ill have a look |
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| 05:35:41 | Zoide777 | does anyone know what the encoding for the .tagdb file is? I've tried editing it w/ Wordpad and Notepad but both mangle it when saving |
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| 05:38:50 | Zoide777 | hmm... maybe nano or vim on cygwin can edit it |
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| 06:00:02 | JdGordon | Zoide777: i would assume it would be a hex file.. not txt |
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| 06:18:10 | JdGordon | BHSPitLappy: i finally got it printed.. cept the printer was almost out of black so the black parts are a bit green... still looks good tho |
| 06:18:24 | BHSPitLappy | cool |
| 06:18:33 | BHSPitLappy | why didn't you just go to kinko's? :P |
| 06:18:42 | JdGordon | kinkos? |
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| 06:37:44 | ashridah | BHSPitLappy: kinko's don't exist in .au afaik |
| 06:38:14 | BHSPitLappy | ah, I forget there's people outside of my home town sometimes |
| 06:38:33 | Zoide777 | JdGordon: dunno what it is, but it worked w/ xemacs |
| 06:38:36 | Zoide777 | well gotta go |
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| 07:43:06 | JdGordon | wtf is .ape? |
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| 07:43:13 | JdGordon | and does rb play them? |
| 07:53:48 | BHSPitLappy | "Monkey's Audio Lossless Audio Compression Format" |
| 07:53:56 | BHSPitLappy | also, a winamp visualization file |
| 07:54:04 | JdGordon | righto |
| 07:54:12 | JdGordon | does rb play em? |
| 07:54:32 | BHSPitLappy | dunno |
| 07:54:33 | BHSPitLappy | http://www.monkeysaudio.com/ |
| 07:54:42 | BHSPitLappy | how is it "compression" if it's lossless?? |
| 07:54:58 | BHSPitLappy | "absolutely no quality loss" |
| 07:54:59 | JdGordon | zip is compressed lossless... |
| 07:55:05 | BHSPitLappy | still |
| 07:55:13 | BHSPitLappy | this is a codec... I've never heard of that |
| 07:55:22 | BHSPitLappy | and it must be pretty ineffective |
| 07:55:46 | BHSPitLappy | since audio is, for the most part, impossible to compress (by archival terms) |
| 07:56:07 | JdGordon | ye, the files were pretty big |
| 07:56:13 | JdGordon | 40+mb.. |
| 07:56:23 | JdGordon | nearly as bad as wav |
| 07:57:20 | midkay | there's a difference between compression and lossless.. |
| 07:59:05 | BHSPitLappy | umm |
| 07:59:11 | BHSPitLappy | yeah... |
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| 07:59:40 | BHSPitLappy | they're different words... |
| 07:59:47 | BHSPitLappy | one is a noun, the other an adjective... |
| 07:59:57 | JdGordon | M.r technical! |
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| 08:00:29 | midkay | you can compress something (optimize it) but not lose anything.. for example, some BMP files can be a few MB, but save them as PNG and watch that drop majorly - but they're both lossless. |
| 08:02:52 | amiconn | JdGordon: Regading the black-on-black issue: No, I didn't mean the upgrade situation only |
| 08:03:18 | amiconn | For whatever reason, the user may end up with the foreground & background colour at the same value |
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| 08:06:31 | amiconn_ | Either he (or someone with access to his rockbox wanting to play a trick on him) could set identical colours, |
| 08:07:20 | amiconn_ | or e.g. a .cfg file only specifies a background (foreground), which matches the user's foreground (background) |
| 08:07:40 | amiconn_ | Of course it would be possible to reset all settings, |
| 08:08:27 | amiconn_ | but correcting just the colour with the remote would be more convenient |
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| 08:11:03 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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| 08:16:17 | amiconn | ...and as also mentioned, it would make the multi-screen ui feel more complete |
| 08:16:22 | amiconn | Of course there won't be visual feedback of the selected colour on the currently supported monochrome remotes, but the sliders etc. can be all the same |
| 08:16:51 | JdGordon | linuxstb said he added remote support before commiting it |
| 08:18:11 | amiconn | Ah, yes I see... |
| 08:19:12 | amiconn | There's one thing to fix though before it will work properly *if* we actually have to support 2 colour LCDs *with different pixel formats* |
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| 08:20:11 | amiconn | Some conversions (extracting individual values from packed RGB, and packed<->generic conversion) are currently hard coded |
| 08:21:31 | amiconn | ...but that doesn't need to be solved right now. |
| 08:21:51 | amiconn | The X5 remote seems to be monochrome as well |
| 08:26:16 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact I think this screen should be made a bit more flexible anyway, allowing to select shades of grey on greyscale units |
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| 08:38:14 | Shadowarrior13 | Hehehe, how does one reset the background color settings without using rockbox? |
| 08:38:28 | Shadowarrior13 | I accidentally made the background black, and can't see text XD |
| 08:38:31 | JdGordon | press rec while its loading |
| 08:38:40 | Shadowarrior13 | In ipod. |
| 08:38:49 | JdGordon | oh, i dunno |
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| 08:40:30 | JdGordon | Shadowarrior13: the key combo is menu, down 2, enter, down 2 enter, down 3 enter, up 1 enter |
| 08:40:44 | Shadowarrior13 | lol, thanks. |
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| 08:53:58 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 08:54:10 | JdGordon | hey Jungti1234 |
| 08:54:15 | Jungti1234 | yeah |
| 08:54:48 | Jungti1234 | Congratulation, JdGordon hehe |
| 08:54:54 | JdGordon | haha thanx |
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| 09:39:37 | orthogonal | anyone awake? |
| 09:39:52 | Bger | yep, just ask |
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| 09:40:17 | orthogonal | do any retail products other than the ipod use a "databse" rather than a directory structure/ |
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| 09:40:57 | Bger | orthogonal for example iriver Hxxx have the 2 modes |
| 09:41:19 | orthogonal | rel;l me more, plweese? |
| 09:41:20 | Bger | but i think there are other products that use only db |
| 09:41:28 | orthogonal | about iriver? |
| 09:41:46 | Bger | iriver hxxx has db also, but it's very limited |
| 09:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: As well the US H10s use a DB, though you at least have the option to browse to your music, I think. |
| 09:42:19 | orthogonal | how does teh db work? |
| 09:42:30 | orthogonal | genre/composer/album/artist? |
| 09:42:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. Don't have one. I imagine it's much like that, yeah. |
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| 09:43:47 | ghode|afk | sony andcreati e useDB software |
| 09:43:56 | orthogonal | details, plewase? |
| 09:44:12 | ghode|afk | don't have any >< |
| 09:44:20 | safetydan | The H120 database was artist/album/genre IIRC |
| 09:44:34 | safetydan | the best tool for generating that database was http://tdt.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:45:48 | Bger | what about creatives ? |
| 09:47:02 | orthogonal | I'm going to build a db for teh rockbox |
| 09:47:50 | ashridah | so, that'd be what, three db's? :) |
| 09:47:56 | ashridah | you could fix what's there ;) |
| 09:48:05 | orthogonal | what's there? |
| 09:48:18 | ashridah | there's an existing database for rockbox. |
| 09:48:24 | ashridah | it's just not particularly functional |
| 09:48:31 | orthogonal | in teh source? |
| 09:48:32 | ashridah | poke HCl if you see him. |
| 09:48:32 | ashridah | yes |
| 09:48:34 | novimon | does rockbox support recording using external mic? |
| 09:48:36 | safetydan | Is tagcache going to supersede that? |
| 09:48:43 | ashridah | and there's a set of external db creator tools |
| 09:48:53 | ashridah | safetydan: i don't know, i'm still unclear what tagcache does |
| 09:48:59 | orthogonal | is it actually in teh build? |
| 09:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Isn't the TagCache going to replace/be the only database anyway, once it's working? |
| 09:49:15 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: if it is, does it save itself to disk? |
| 09:49:19 | Bger | novimon afaik yes, u just have to use more gain ... |
| 09:49:34 | Bger | ashridah yep |
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| 09:49:55 | ashridah | in which case, wrong person to poke, and does tagcache need an external db tool? |
| 09:49:56 | orthogonal | ho ew is teh current on used? |
| 09:49:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ashridah: From what I've heard, "Tagcache" is just a fancy way of saying "The database generates itself within rockbox using our metadata parser, so that all supported filetypes will always be supported by the database" |
| 09:50:07 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: ah. |
| 09:50:17 | ashridah | orthogonal: i don't believe it's complete, in either case ;) |
| 09:50:26 | novimon | Bger, oki |
| 09:50:28 | orthogonal | who is workijng on it? |
| 09:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: But, I could've misunderstood some aspects of it. |
| 09:50:37 | ashridah | slasheri |
| 09:51:32 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, sounds about right |
| 09:51:37 | safetydan | it is saved to disk anyway |
| 09:51:38 | ashridah | well. if tagcache does do that, it's not documented in the wiki particularly well as far as i can see |
| 09:51:41 | safetydan | otherwise it wouldn't be a cache |
| 09:51:53 | Bger | do we *reall* need remote button defines to be |
| 09:51:56 | Bger | #define BUTTON_RC_ON (BUTTON_REMOTE | 0x00010000) |
| 09:51:58 | Bger | instead of |
| 09:52:21 | Bger | #define BUTTON_RC_ON (BUTTON_REMOTE | BUTTON_ON) |
| 09:52:22 | ashridah | safetydan: uh, a cache doesn't have to save itself to disk in order to be a cache |
| 09:52:24 | safetydan | ashridah, it's not comitted yet so I don't think any docmentation as been written |
| 09:52:28 | ashridah | look at the directory cache, it sure doesn't :) |
| 09:52:32 | Bger | s/*reall*/*really* |
| 09:52:37 | ashridah | safetydan: ah, bummer. thought he had. |
| 09:52:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Tagcache doesn't really have any code in CVS as of yet, so it'd be odd for it to be documented. |
| 09:52:43 | safetydan | ashridah, for it to be useful it does otherwise it regens every time |
| 09:52:49 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: not really, documenting plans isn't a bad idea |
| 09:53:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, true |
| 09:53:20 | ashridah | safetydan: sure, but being a cache doesn't imply saving to permanent storage |
| 09:53:21 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 09:53:35 | Bger | anyone ? |
| 09:53:43 | safetydan | ashridah, true |
| 09:54:16 | Slasheri | ashridah: yes, tagcache should replace the db completely |
| 09:54:18 | ashridah | it'd probably be less painful if it didn't have to scan the entier disk on boot, mind you :) |
| 09:54:29 | Slasheri | it has many advantages over the old db |
| 09:54:30 | ashridah | Slasheri: cool. how's it coming along, btw? :) |
| 09:54:46 | orthogonal | where's the current db documented? |
| 09:54:51 | ashridah | Slasheri: if it gens on the fly, i'll bet it does. |
| 09:54:59 | Slasheri | ashridah: i have been too busy with real work lately.. i hope to have some time soon for it |
| 09:55:08 | Slasheri | yes, it does that |
| 09:55:08 | safetydan | orthogonal, on the wiki |
| 09:55:31 | orthogonal | url? |
| 09:55:33 | Slasheri | and it will update on the fly also, without needing a complete regeneration when new files are added |
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| 09:55:46 | safetydan | orthogonal, you could search for it |
| 09:55:51 | orthogonal | k |
| 09:56:29 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2 |
| 09:56:50 | ashridah | and using it is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase |
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| 10:00:01 | orthogonal | anyone using it? |
| 10:00:11 | ashridah | i think it might be broken atm |
| 10:00:21 | safetydan | It works on non-iPod targets AFAIK |
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| 10:00:33 | safetydan | unless someone fixed the alignment issue |
| 10:01:47 | orthogonal | doesn't work on ipod? |
| 10:01:55 | amiconn | The tag database shouldn't have an alignment issue and therefore should work on iPod |
| 10:02:09 | amiconn | If it had an alignment issue, it wouldn't work on archos |
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| 10:02:22 | ashridah | hahah. should. hahaha. that's funny :) |
| 10:02:26 | orthogonal | yes archos wa sin t aligned, iirc? |
| 10:02:28 | amiconn | Tagcache is another story... |
| 10:02:37 | amiconn | orthogonal: ?? |
| 10:02:46 | orthogonal | was int aligned? |
| 10:02:52 | novimon | what does the 'prerecord' do? |
| 10:03:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: The tag database currently only works with MP3 files and Vorbis files, and if the Mp3 files have unrecognized tags it can cause it problems. |
| 10:03:40 | novimon | or 'independent frames' |
| 10:03:48 | safetydan | amiconn, maybe I'm misremembering. I thought there were some bug reports from iPod users about the database not working |
| 10:04:00 | orthogonal | mp3 is teh only format that matters |
| 10:04:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: The only format that matters to *you* |
| 10:04:16 | ashridah | orthogonal: to you, maybe. |
| 10:04:24 | amiconn | Maybe, but then it's not an alignment issue. Maybe the database still has an endianness problem though |
| 10:04:24 | orthogonal | yes, of course ;) |
| 10:04:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it had an endianness problem. |
| 10:04:55 | amiconn | Bger: I'd rather want to remove the BUTTON_REMOTE qualifier and give the remote buttons their own bits. |
| 10:04:55 | orthogonal | ogg is a nerd dicksize format: lok I use ogg, my nerd dick sioze is biger than yours |
| 10:04:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Again, I could misremember. I didn't try it personally. |
| 10:05:15 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: er, nothing personal |
| 10:05:15 | JdGordon | haha orthogonal |
| 10:05:24 | ashridah | orthogonal: that and it doesn't need shitty hacks to get gapless playback |
| 10:05:37 | orthogonal | it'sd unquesrtionably a btter format |
| 10:05:38 | amiconn | Bger: The current method has the problem that a remote button can "shadow" a main button, |
| 10:05:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: Yeah, the format actually has native tagging, native gapless, and isn't patent encumbered. So, why is it bad again? |
| 10:05:47 | orthogonal | but better doens;t mean better |
| 10:06:06 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: which was better, the betamax or the vhs? |
| 10:06:10 | ashridah | so help me, if you bring up beta vs VHS, i'll slap you. :) |
| 10:06:16 | orthogonal | er |
| 10:06:17 | JdGordon | hahah |
| 10:06:18 | * | ashridah slaps orthogonal |
| 10:06:19 | JdGordon | 2 slow |
| 10:06:38 | orthogonal | loook, what';s better , a cd or an ogg? |
| 10:06:51 | orthogonal | a lossless cd, obvioisly |
| 10:06:54 | ashridah | vinyl |
| 10:07:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Obviously |
| 10:07:07 | orthogonal | except −− mp3s are GOOD ENOUGH |
| 10:07:18 | orthogonal | and they toook teh ground fiorst |
| 10:07:18 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: The tag database *should* not have endian problems though, since it was tested (and worked) in the sim on x86 back when it was developed |
| 10:07:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Except they aren't in many cases. |
| 10:07:25 | markun | orthogonal: you can't use a CD with rockbox, so Ogg is obviously better :) |
| 10:07:29 | orthogonal | they're good ENOUGH |
| 10:07:31 | amiconn | Maybe one of the extensions introduced a bug... |
| 10:07:40 | orthogonal | ogg's a great format |
| 10:07:52 | orthogonal | wordperfect was oerde rs of magnitude nwetter thanh word |
| 10:07:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I dunno then. I just know people couldn't get it working. |
| 10:08:07 | orthogonal | hell, I wrote an acciounting program in twhe wordperfect 5.2 macro language |
| 10:08:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: So your argument is that people should accept worse things, just because they were there first? |
| 10:08:22 | orthogonal | in teh macro langugae |
| 10:08:24 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: no, no |
| 10:08:27 | * | amiconn will stick with mp3 |
| 10:08:32 | orthogonal | but, where cxan I buy ogg files? |
| 10:08:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mindawn |
| 10:08:42 | * | JdGordon will stick with mp3 also... coz its more portable |
| 10:08:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, they sell flac for 25 cents more |
| 10:08:48 | orthogonal | an island in teh phillipines? |
| 10:08:51 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: apparently we should still all be wearing bearskins and using stone axes |
| 10:08:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | In case you want lossless |
| 10:08:54 | orthogonal | no, that;s mindinao |
| 10:08:57 | amiconn | It has one big advantage over ogg or any other compressed audio format: it's supported practically everywhere |
| 10:09:09 | orthogonal | amiconn: exactly |
| 10:09:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: I also prefer to buy my music as CDs so "where can I buy it" doesn't exactly affect me. |
| 10:09:31 | ashridah | amiconn: the only place i don't find ogg support is on an ipod, these days. |
| 10:09:54 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: sure, me too. but most of my music UI got from emusic.com at < 25 cents per tarckl |
| 10:10:10 | amiconn | ashridah: archos: mp2/mp3 only (probably wav soonish). My car stereo: mp2/mp3 only ... |
| 10:10:12 | * | ashridah notes there are music shops that sell oggs and flac online |
| 10:10:36 | amiconn | Then, ogg needs more CPU power than mp3 (on iriver) |
| 10:10:39 | ashridah | amiconn: i've never personally seen an archos here. i don't think they got imported too frequently, tbh. |
| 10:10:44 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: what labels does mindawn have? |
| 10:10:46 | JdGordon | (interupting for a min) does anyone thikn its a waste of time to sync my radio wps patch with the cvs.. is there any chance it will be commited? |
| 10:11:13 | ashridah | but you've got a point, car stereos are probably hardware decoders like the archos is, mind you |
| 10:11:18 | amiconn | And to be honest: I can't hear a difference between a decent mp3 encoding (lame −−preset standard) and the original source |
| 10:11:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: Not the major ones, but as I said, I buy CDs anyway. I like to be able to reuse my music if I *do* find something that doesn't support a format/encoding. |
| 10:11:30 | orthogonal | amiconn: me too |
| 10:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like... y'know... a CD-Player |
| 10:11:39 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, IO agtee |
| 10:11:41 | amiconn | Maybe ogg would compress slightly better for the same quality, but I'm not that tight on space |
| 10:11:42 | orthogonal | agree |
| 10:12:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd hate to burn a mix CD from MP3 sources. |
| 10:12:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially if I suspected a friend would then put THAT mix on a DAP |
| 10:12:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: I don't see the point in radio (or recording) screen customisation. There isn't much information to choose from for display, unlike wps |
| 10:13:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: ture... but it brings rb to the 21st century!!! |
| 10:13:31 | JdGordon | umm.. i mean.. ppl like the csutomization.. |
| 10:13:34 | JdGordon | n stuff |
| 10:13:42 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I wouldn't burn a mix CD from *any* lossy source |
| 10:13:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Note that I said I purchase CDs, or lossless sources. |
| 10:14:10 | amiconn | In fact I stopped burning CD quite some time ago... |
| 10:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: My real argument is: If all my sources are lossless, and all my players are ogg, then where does the argument against it come from? |
| 10:14:19 | orthogonal | yeah, cds are obselete |
| 10:14:20 | amiconn | Audio CDs, that is |
| 10:14:41 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: if you're wiling to rip all your own stuff, you're golden |
| 10:14:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: I live in Texas. I have family who've never even used a computer. |
| 10:14:56 | orthogonal | only two things come from texas |
| 10:15:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh bloody hell. |
| 10:15:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, since I'm not *from* Texas, I guess I don't care about that quote. |
| 10:15:50 | safetydan | JdGordon, it'll make it easier for someone to try and commit it if you keep it in sync with CVS |
| 10:16:04 | orthogonal | what wquote? |
| 10:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | The two things from Texas one |
| 10:16:34 | orthogonal | repuiblicans crooks and quail huinters! |
| 10:16:41 | orthogonal | oh, thaty;s just ione |
| 10:16:59 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: sorry, if tou're reopuiblicabn |
| 10:17:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | orthogonal: Clearly you're accepting that Austin isn't a part of Texas then. Most of them would rather we weren't either. |
| 10:17:21 | orthogonal | yeash, you got that da |
| 10:17:30 | orthogonal | who's gunning for delay |
| 10:18:04 | orthogonal | more power to him |
| 10:18:08 | Bger | amiconn, morning |
| 10:18:11 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: True - provided you never intend to play your tracks on other systems |
| 10:18:16 | Bger | did you see my last question ? |
| 10:19:27 | amiconn | Bger: This one? [09:51:42] <Bger> do we *reall* need remote button defines to be |
| 10:19:38 | Bger | yes |
| 10:20:11 | amiconn | Bger: Scroll back a bit ... |
| 10:20:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yeah, well, I did the "rip everying to lossless and put it on DVDs" step that makes transcoding fairly easy should it ever come up. So far though, ogg has been well enough supported that I haven't encountered problems. I've got nothing against MP3. I'll just admit I'm irritated at people who say "just use it, because it's 'good enough'" when for me at least, it isn't. |
| 10:21:04 | Bger | amiconn why ? |
| 10:21:25 | orthogonal | Paul_The_Nerd: you're tyoungf enough you srtill have your hearing |
| 10:21:36 | orthogonal | as you get older, you're just glad you can hear at alll |
| 10:21:38 | Bger | imho it's better this way (with the BUTTON_REMOTE bit) |
| 10:21:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't mean "good enough" in quality |
| 10:21:43 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: how does filesize compare with mp3/ogg of equiv quality? |
| 10:21:49 | amiconn | Bger: There's a second line... |
| 10:22:13 | orthogonal | ohhh look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walmink/103826354/in/pool-hdr/ |
| 10:22:16 | ashridah | JdGordon: filesize of what? flac's just compression, it's not lossy, so if it gets 2:1 compression, that's good. :) |
| 10:22:19 | Bger | ah, yes :) |
| 10:22:40 | JdGordon | ogg vorbis? thats lossy isnt it? |
| 10:22:54 | orthogonal | jsd wantas mp3 ogg filesizes compared |
| 10:23:04 | orthogonal | to each other, not to flac |
| 10:23:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: In the most recent tests I've read, ogg and vorbis at equivalent quality (meaning scoring the same on double blind tests) have been at the same bitrates generally. |
| 10:23:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry ogg and mp3 I mean |
| 10:23:26 | ashridah | orthogonal: that's not what "<JdGordon> Paul_The_Nerd: how does filesize compare with mp3/ogg of equiv quality?" said to me, sorry :) |
| 10:23:40 | * | ashridah saw mp3/ogg as mp3 and ogg, not mp3 vs ogg :)_ |
| 10:23:49 | orthogonal | ashridah: it's ok, I'm, being obnoxious |
| 10:24:03 | JdGordon | ye i meant mp3 vs ogg... |
| 10:24:23 | orthogonal | ohh wow: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=104422051&size=l |
| 10:24:37 | amiconn | ashridah: When I tried flac, I didn't even get close to 2:1 compression |
| 10:24:41 | Bger | amiconn but when will you press a button on the remote and on the main unit at the same time ? |
| 10:24:43 | JdGordon | coz if its the equiv quality and they can both be played back in the same dap then the only reason id swap to ogg is if it means i can cram more music on my cruddy 20gb hdd |
| 10:24:57 | amiconn | Bger: Two-player game plugin? |
| 10:25:21 | Bger | uf :( |
| 10:25:37 | amiconn | It would also be easier to distinguish power-on from main & remote wrt hold check in the bootloader |
| 10:26:44 | * | Bger goes to search for avail bits in the button defines |
| 10:27:07 | amiconn | The button value is 32bit |
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| 10:27:19 | Bger | yes |
| 10:27:38 | amiconn | The top 5 bits are reserved for SYS_ events, and we also have BUTTON_REPEAT and BUTTON_REL |
| 10:27:39 | skwad | hi |
| 10:27:56 | amiconn | So we have 25 bits left. Reserve 12 for main and 12 for remote... |
| 10:28:14 | Bger | 12 for main ?/ |
| 10:29:31 | orthogonal | that [pic looks great on my 24 inch monitor |
| 10:31:50 | amiconn | Bger: In fact we only need 10 atm. Perhaps a better allocation would be: |
| 10:32:12 | Bger | also we have BUTTON_REMOTE modifier .. |
| 10:32:22 | amiconn | We'll no longer have it |
| 10:32:24 | Bger | so 24 left ... |
| 10:32:44 | Bger | i really like it .. |
| 10:33:05 | amiconn | Top 5 bits for SYS_ events, one reserve bit, BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_REPEAT |
| 10:33:10 | amiconn | That would fill the top byte |
| 10:33:20 | Bger | makes very easier to distinguish main and remote buttons |
| 10:33:24 | Bger | easy |
| 10:33:52 | amiconn | Then allocate main buttons from LSB towards bit 23, and remote buttons from bit 23 downwards |
| 10:34:20 | amiconn | This way we can support a total of 24 buttons regardless whether main or remote |
| 10:35:22 | amiconn | Imho BUTTON_REMOTE isn't needed, but if we still want it, there's a slight change that makes it work without needing a special bit |
| 10:35:36 | amiconn | BUTTON_REMOTE can be turned into a bitmask |
| 10:35:41 | Bger | yep |
| 10:35:44 | Bger | good idea :) |
| 10:35:52 | amiconn | ...covering all button bits assigned to remote buttons |
| 10:36:11 | amiconn | For 12-12 it would be 0x00FFF000 |
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| 10:36:50 | amiconn | It could be complemented by a BUTTON_MAIN mask |
| 10:39:43 | Bger | in fact, my idea needs 1 bit ... |
| 10:39:49 | amiconn | In fact it might be useful, thinking about the button driver decision which backlight to enable... |
| 10:40:02 | amiconn | Bger: ? |
| 10:40:46 | Bger | i started workin on a "button->action" translation func for navigation... |
| 10:41:06 | Bger | used in the tree, menus ... |
| 10:41:34 | Bger | and want to take out all these _PRE defines... |
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| 10:42:44 | amiconn | The _PRE stuff is necessary to distinguish short/long presses |
| 10:42:49 | Bger | yes, i know |
| 10:42:57 | amiconn | How do you intend to solve this? |
| 10:42:59 | Bger | but i'm thinking of it currently as |
| 10:43:20 | Bger | button=nav_trans(button_get(),prev_button) |
| 10:43:34 | Bger | which returns action or the button_get() value if it's not recognised |
| 10:45:08 | Bger | action as NAV_PREV... NAV_LVL_UP... NAV_RUN .. |
| 10:45:16 | amiconn | How would the translation know what sequence means which action? |
| 10:45:42 | amiconn | There are some very complex ones involving _PRE |
| 10:45:56 | Bger | amiconn ? like ? |
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| 10:46:13 | amiconn | Double-click detection, short-long ... |
| 10:46:23 | Bger | huh ? |
| 10:46:32 | Bger | short-long is easy ... |
| 10:46:45 | JdGordon | does any1 know anything about the text scrolling code? |
| 10:47:19 | Bger | if i need long press |
| 10:47:33 | amiconn | Bger: Double click and short-long both involve a 4-event sequence |
| 10:47:50 | Bger | ah, you mean |
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| 10:47:56 | Bger | short press long press ? |
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| 10:48:23 | amiconn | ...and a time window |
| 10:48:25 | amiconn | Yes |
| 10:48:35 | Bger | this is used on ondio, i suppose .... |
| 10:51:13 | Bger | amiconn can you point me to such thing in the source ? |
| 10:51:50 | amiconn | Double click is used on Ondio (recording from FM screen, to avoid accidental recordings), short press - long press is used on all swcodec targets for folder skip |
| 10:52:23 | Bger | ah |
| 10:52:24 | Bger | see |
| 10:52:36 | Bger | this is not tree/menu thing |
| 10:52:39 | Bger | or i'm wrong ? |
| 10:53:19 | Bger | (iiuc the last one is in wps) |
| 10:53:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:53:47 | Bger | so it's ok then |
| 10:53:48 | amiconn | I thought your idea would be universal |
| 10:54:06 | Bger | hm, i don't think we need such thing in the WPS |
| 10:54:19 | amiconn | What's the goal then? |
| 10:55:26 | Bger | the goal is for example simplification of tree.c ... and iriver remotes' buttons to have different funcs in navigation depending on the remote type |
| 10:55:49 | Bger | and .. 1 place to edit all the navigation mappings |
| 10:55:53 | Bger | -the |
| 10:57:15 | novimon | how do I check how much I have free space on the hd in rockbox? |
| 10:57:19 | amiconn | Hmm. I'm not so sure whether it will simplify things. It may simplify the source files, but will it simplify the code? Make it smaller? faster? |
| 10:57:20 | novimon | can you even do that? |
| 10:57:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | novimon: Under info->Rockbox info, I beleive |
| 10:57:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | believe |
| 10:57:56 | Bger | uf ... somewhere in the menu |
| 10:57:56 | Bger | General Settings->.. |
| 10:57:56 | Bger | System maybe |
| 10:58:26 | Bger | amiconn it's one func more ... |
| 10:58:49 | novimon | Paul_The_Nerd, ok thanks |
| 10:58:53 | Bger | which is mostly switch()-es |
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| 11:05:06 | markun | amiconn: I'm looking at a finnish translation update, and the voice strins are in iso-8859 encoding and the new strings in UTF-8, is that how it should be? |
| 11:05:28 | amiconn | Hmm... |
| 11:05:49 | JdGordon | do the charlcds have more that 1 font? |
| 11:06:33 | Jungti1234 | hi markun |
| 11:06:35 | amiconn | So far the voice file generation script can only process the local codepage (Win1252 ~~ iso-8859-1 here), but otoh 2 different encodings in one file would be rather strange... |
| 11:07:01 | amiconn | I need a way to process UTF-8 in VBScript... |
| 11:07:27 | amiconn | JdGordon: No |
| 11:07:39 | JdGordon | ok, that makes things slightly simpler :D |
| 11:08:54 | * | safetydan races Paul_The_Nerd for posting in EQ threads |
| 11:08:56 | safetydan | and loses |
| 11:08:58 | safetydan | darn |
| 11:10:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 11:11:53 | markun | amiconn: do you know why LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_PLAYER is "Partition? |
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| 11:13:26 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, the reason Q for the shelf filter is best left at 0.7 is that "the shelf slope is as steep as it can be and remain monotonically |
| 11:13:29 | safetydan | increasing or decreasing gain with frequency" |
| 11:13:53 | safetydan | basically the equations go wacky otherwise |
| 11:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 11:14:45 | safetydan | If you work through the maths in that Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt link you can see the relationships and what happens with various settings |
| 11:15:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I put that .txt on my reading list, for later. |
| 11:15:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I feel like half the time I'm at misticriver, I'm just reading "bug reports" that are really either "user error" or "I use 'optimized' error" |
| 11:16:53 | amiconn | markun: Yes. This message is displayed when saving the settings failed. Back then it was thought that the most common cause would be low battery, but later it turned out that the most common cause is an unsuitable partition layout |
| 11:17:20 | amiconn | The identifier can't easily be changed. |
| 11:17:49 | amiconn | I'm still working on my language cleanup, and will most probably fix such quirks as well |
| 11:18:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:18:37 | markun | amiconn: good luck, it will be a lot of work I guess. |
| 11:18:43 | Jungti1234 | Are you cleaning language file? |
| 11:18:49 | amiconn | I'm still at the 80% done mark |
| 11:21:55 | amiconn | A cvs diff -u apps/lang/english.lang looks rather funny here... |
| 11:22:04 | markun | :) |
| 11:22:31 | markun | amiconn: will it be difficult to update the translations after your cleanup? |
| 11:23:16 | amiconn | I will have to make a conversion script to adapt all other languages and apply that before commit |
| 11:24:13 | JdGordon | do any targets have lcd width or height > 256? |
| 11:24:24 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:24:33 | amiconn | iPod 5g: 320x240 |
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| 11:24:43 | JdGordon | ok, cant use a char then... |
| 11:25:50 | amiconn | For single variables you should better use int anyway |
| 11:26:33 | JdGordon | ye, but imm trying to keep mem usage down... its gonna be in a struct in an array... so there could be quite a bit of unused memory there |
| 11:27:21 | amiconn | That's a different thing of course |
| 11:27:53 | JdGordon | meh, this is only test code.. optimization comes after itss owkring :p... |
| 11:28:08 | amiconn | ...but sometimes even structs don't become smaller if you use a smaller datatype |
| 11:28:17 | amiconn | E.g. |
| 11:28:24 | amiconn | struct blah { |
| 11:28:30 | amiconn | long v1; |
| 11:28:34 | amiconn | char v2; |
| 11:28:38 | amiconn | long v3; |
| 11:28:40 | amiconn | }; |
| 11:28:59 | amiconn | will use 12 bytes on a 32 bit system, unless you use packed structs |
| 11:29:10 | amiconn | ...which is slower and adds even more code |
| 11:29:24 | JdGordon | ok |
| 11:30:19 | amiconn | You can optimise such things by sorting, e.g. |
| 11:31:17 | amiconn | struct bla1 {short v1; char v2; short v3; char v4}; uses 8 bytes, while struct bla1 {short v1; char v2; char v4; short v3} uses 6 bytes |
| 11:32:35 | amiconn | bbl |
| 11:32:38 | | Part amiconn |
| 11:34:00 | Bger | Bagder ? |
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| 11:36:35 | titor | hello |
| 11:37:10 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:37:22 | titor | i would like to know if rockbox can start on an Archos Gmini XS202 |
| 11:37:58 | titor | do you know something about it jungti ? |
| 11:38:40 | midkay | it doesn't.. i believe it only did on the gmini 120, and not fully.. |
| 11:39:19 | Jungti1234 | yeah.. |
| 11:41:13 | titor | zut i would like to buy a gmini xs202, or aan iRiver h320 but commercial website no longer sells it |
| 11:41:28 | midkay | ebay, other sites.. |
| 11:42:00 | Jungti1234 | ebay. :) |
| 11:42:37 | titor | yes ii'll look for |
| 11:42:41 | midkay | general consensus thus seems to be 'ebay' ;)\ |
| 11:43:09 | titor | ok |
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| 11:48:04 | JdGordon | any1 colour blind here? |
| 11:52:22 | titor | bye |
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| 11:55:02 | Jungti1234 | colour blind? |
| 11:55:59 | markun | JdGordon: yes, I am |
| 11:56:05 | JdGordon | ye, as in you cant see colours.. or you cant see mixes of colours.. e.g red/green blindness means u cant tell the difference between red and green (or something like that) |
| 11:56:17 | JdGordon | markun: have u tryed the colour chooser widget? |
| 11:56:58 | Jungti1234 | markun have red/green blindness |
| 11:57:23 | markun | JdGordon: It's an RGB chooser, right? |
| 11:57:28 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:57:49 | markun | I think a HSV chooser would be nicer, what do you think of it? |
| 11:57:59 | JdGordon | hsv? |
| 11:58:19 | markun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV_color_space |
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| 11:59:09 | markun | there are some simple fomulas to transform RGB to HSV and back |
| 11:59:09 | JdGordon | markun: not hanx :p |
| 11:59:38 | markun | Maybe I will do it then :) |
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| 12:00:00 | JdGordon | anyway... do u get the dev mailing list? |
| 12:00:14 | markun | no, but I read it from time to time |
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| 12:00:48 | JdGordon | ok, linus rekons the rgb picker might be difficult for color blind ppl to use.. have u tried it? |
| 12:01:03 | markun | no, I haven't |
| 12:01:12 | JdGordon | u got a colour target? |
| 12:01:25 | markun | I can compile a simulator |
| 12:02:07 | markun | I believe XavierGr and muesli also have red-green problems |
| 12:02:16 | JdGordon | can u give it a go plz? |
| 12:02:39 | JdGordon | the q is can u see the r/g/b slider when the cursor is on it (black rectangle around it) |
| 12:03:09 | XavierGr | hmmm |
| 12:03:15 | XavierGr | why me? |
| 12:03:22 | XavierGr | I don't think I have |
| 12:03:37 | Jungti1234 | hehe... |
| 12:03:48 | XavierGr | ah |
| 12:03:51 | XavierGr | those problems |
| 12:03:59 | XavierGr | I thought in the daily builds |
| 12:04:04 | XavierGr | sorry I just woke |
| 12:04:07 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 12:04:23 | XavierGr | you meant colour blindness, haha |
| 12:04:23 | markun | JdGordon: Where's the patch? |
| 12:04:30 | JdGordon | in cvs :D |
| 12:04:33 | markun | XavierGr: yes :) |
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| 12:05:03 | XavierGr | then yes I have colour problems, though not on rockbox specifically |
| 12:05:18 | Bger | heh |
| 12:05:20 | Bger | hi, XavierGr ;) |
| 12:05:24 | XavierGr | Hello |
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| 12:05:58 | markun | JdGordon: I'll try it, but have to fix some problems with my gigabeat simulator first |
| 12:06:09 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:06:11 | JdGordon | no probs |
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| 12:11:05 | markun | JdGordon: looks ok |
| 12:11:14 | JdGordon | all 3 sliders? |
| 12:11:24 | JdGordon | have u got inverted cursor set? |
| 12:11:28 | markun | no |
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| 12:12:06 | markun | JdGordon: eh, I HAVE set cursor to inverted. |
| 12:12:22 | JdGordon | ok, |
| 12:12:23 | markun | But red looks just red, not inverted |
| 12:12:40 | markun | I don't know what I should be trying/looking for |
| 12:12:42 | JdGordon | ye, by inverted it means u get the black box around it... |
| 12:12:57 | JdGordon | as long as u can see the sliders when they are selected..? |
| 12:13:23 | markun | yes, I can see them, only blue is difficult to read |
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| 12:14:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I'm actually trying this 60hz thing, and it really does seem like something may be wrong with the PK ones. If you try it on the shelf, with 60hz below your shelf, it works great. But with the 60hz wave at one of the peaks, and you change that peak you really can't hear much difference at all |
| 12:15:51 | JdGordon | markun: can u change the cursor mode in the settings to the other one and check it again plz? |
| 12:17:16 | markun | JdGordon: yes, also looks good |
| 12:17:30 | JdGordon | ok thanx |
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| 12:20:03 | Moos | Hello all ! |
| 12:20:12 | markun | good afternoon Moos |
| 12:20:17 | Jungti1234 | hi Moos |
| 12:23:46 | saa[b_r]ider | hello moos.... |
| 12:23:56 | saa[b_r]ider | markun, and jungti |
| 12:24:07 | saa[b_r]ider | I just uploaded my new WPS!!! |
| 12:24:15 | saa[b_r]ider | 24bit!! |
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| 12:24:36 | saa[b_r]ider | markun: this one is bug free :) |
| 12:24:56 | Moos | saa[b_r]ider: Salem ! |
| 12:25:16 | saa[b_r]ider | salaam moos :) |
| 12:25:28 | saa[b_r]ider | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/12162/Knightbox%20D3%20Details%7E0.jpg |
| 12:25:35 | saa[b_r]ider | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/12162/Knightbox%20D4%20Details%7E0.jpg |
| 12:26:15 | Moos | saa[b_r]ider: 404 error |
| 12:26:30 | saa[b_r]ider | damn... |
| 12:26:41 | saa[b_r]ider | let me fix that.... |
| 12:27:16 | JdGordon | oh goody.. why is there no lcd_getfont() ?? |
| 12:27:21 | Jungti1234 | 404 Not Found error ~ |
| 12:27:27 | Jungti1234 | hi saab |
| 12:27:52 | saa[b_r]ider | I'm fixing it |
| 12:28:33 | midkay | JdGordon, you mean like the custom font the user is using? |
| 12:28:38 | JdGordon | ye |
| 12:28:51 | midkay | i don't believe you can load fonts from disk, unfortunately. |
| 12:28:53 | midkay | :\ |
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| 12:29:49 | saa[b_r]ider | jungti, moos, try this http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=402146&postcount=118 |
| 12:29:56 | saa[b_r]ider | tell me if you see the images there |
| 12:30:01 | JdGordon | midkay: no, i just want to get the font number.. |
| 12:30:10 | midkay | JdGordon, number? you mean size? |
| 12:30:17 | JdGordon | no, number |
| 12:30:24 | midkay | what number? |
| 12:30:30 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 12:30:31 | JdGordon | the font number, used to set a font |
| 12:30:31 | Moos | saa[b_r]ider: hehe, k2000 theme :) |
| 12:30:34 | saa[b_r]ider | :D |
| 12:30:52 | saa[b_r]ider | so it loads? |
| 12:30:58 | Moos | yep |
| 12:31:03 | midkay | JdGordon, still not following you, sorry ;) you mean you want to set the font back to the standard rockbox one after using FONT_SYSFIXED or something? |
| 12:31:13 | JdGordon | almost |
| 12:31:41 | midkay | FONT_UI is the user's font |
| 12:31:47 | midkay | lcd_setfont(FONT_UI) |
| 12:31:59 | JdGordon | ah, thatll do |
| 12:32:00 | JdGordon | thanx |
| 12:32:06 | midkay | np |
| 12:32:22 | saa[b_r]ider | now to upload to rb.org |
| 12:34:12 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: crazy WPS man :) |
| 12:34:16 | XavierGr | very funky |
| 12:34:44 | saa[b_r]ider | thank you :D |
| 12:34:48 | Jungti1234 | saa[b_r]ider: Who is he? :) |
| 12:35:03 | saa[b_r]ider | the beauty in it is that it's cluttered! |
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| 12:35:44 | saa[b_r]ider | jungti, this is a populer TV show from the 80s... |
| 12:35:52 | saa[b_r]ider | <−−-old |
| 12:35:56 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 12:36:03 | saa[b_r]ider | ;) |
| 12:36:12 | Jungti1234 | I seem to see him. |
| 12:36:33 | saa[b_r]ider | it's popular all over the world |
| 12:36:40 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 12:36:49 | Jungti1234 | movie star? |
| 12:37:42 | XavierGr | and where is Haselhoff? |
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| 12:43:25 | markun | JdGordon: I don't really understand why you want to show the slider differently depending on the cursor mode anyway |
| 12:43:54 | JdGordon | u can blame linus or linuxstb, 1 of them insisted on it! |
| 12:44:43 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: nice progress, looks much better now |
| 12:45:13 | saa[b_r]ider | thanks markun! |
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| 12:45:56 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: only thing missing is using the peak meter for KITT's mouth |
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| 12:46:25 | saa[b_r]ider | once it's possible, I'll make sure it's in my WPS :) |
| 12:46:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That wasn't me :) |
| 12:46:33 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 12:48:24 | saa[b_r]ider | markun, i need to make a new "wish list" now... all the features I wanted have already been implemented in rockbox :) |
| 12:50:49 | linuxstb | Hmmm. I'm now being harrassed by the misticriver.net forum software: "Hello linuxstb it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?" |
| 12:51:18 | JdGordon | hahaha |
| 12:54:50 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah this was included recently with the latest upgrade to the forums... |
| 12:55:08 | midkay | JdGordon, linuxstb: nice job on the color picker! :) very nice and responsive |
| 12:55:10 | JdGordon | that and the buetiful adds in every thread |
| 12:55:21 | JdGordon | thanx |
| 12:57:38 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
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| 12:58:19 | ashridah | i like the way they were added and the checkboxes to turn them off were unlabelled |
| 12:58:28 | ashridah | and that they were on by default |
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| 13:00:18 | JdGordon | were on? u mean u can turn em off? |
| 13:00:29 | ashridah | yes, check your prefs |
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| 13:05:53 | JdGordon | ashridah: where? cant see the option |
| 13:06:14 | ashridah | i seem to recall saying they qweren't labelled :) |
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| 13:06:52 | JdGordon | umm... so how do u disable em? |
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| 13:07:07 | ashridah | they're in your options, blank checkboxes, iirc |
| 13:07:23 | JdGordon | cant see any |
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| 13:08:07 | JdGordon | oh well.. doesnt matter |
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| 13:08:33 | ashridah | hmm, sorry, they're labelled now |
| 13:08:41 | ashridah | under http://www.misticriver.net/profile.php?do=editoptions |
| 13:09:21 | ashridah | i don't get email like that, and i've got the email options turned off |
| 13:09:51 | JdGordon | there is nothing ther abuot turning off the ads... |
| 13:10:15 | ashridah | oh. ads, i've got no idea |
| 13:10:26 | ashridah | thought you meant their crazy spontaneous emails about random junk |
| 13:10:38 | JdGordon | oohhhh... haha no |
| 13:12:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: The colour picker broke the X5 sim, probably target too... |
| 13:12:43 | amiconn | Nm, found that you just fixed it... |
| 13:12:44 | JdGordon | ye, saw that... its the button #defines missing |
| 13:13:03 | JdGordon | and ignore me also then |
| 13:14:15 | JdGordon | how many ticks in a second? |
| 13:14:24 | linuxstb | HZ (currently defined as 100) |
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| 13:20:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: is there anything actually stoppping the lcd from drawing multiple fonts on the 1 screen? |
| 13:20:45 | Jungti1234 | What is 'AV Decay Time'? |
| 13:21:35 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm not sure what you are asking. It's a bitmapped LCD, so you can draw what you want on it... |
| 13:22:03 | JdGordon | like a plugin could set the font, draw some text then set another font and draw again right? then both should be shown after the update? |
| 13:22:39 | midkay | Jungti1234, on the recorders, it's auto volume |
| 13:22:44 | linuxstb | Yes, I think that would work, but changing font requires loading the font file from disk. |
| 13:22:53 | linuxstb | Also, scrolling lines would be a problem. |
| 13:22:54 | midkay | Jungti1234, the number you set defines the time over which the volume will increase back to normal after something loud.. |
| 13:23:16 | JdGordon | ah... ok.. bugger... |
| 13:23:32 | midkay | Jungti1234, a higher value gives a "smoother" (more gradual) change.. lower changes faster, so you'll probably notice the volume changes with a setting of 2s |
| 13:23:49 | JdGordon | so some1 is gonna need to add some font caching for this to work.. |
| 13:23:51 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 13:23:58 | midkay | JdGordon, you can switch between font_sysfixed and _ui without needing to load from disk |
| 13:24:07 | Jungti1234 | auto volume? |
| 13:24:12 | midkay | and you can't specifically load a font from disk, i believe.. |
| 13:24:30 | midkay | Jungti1234, lowers the volume during loud portions of songs.. raises during quiet portions |
| 13:24:37 | amiconn | Scrolling lines are the big problem |
| 13:24:42 | Jungti1234 | AGC? |
| 13:24:56 | amiconn | Jungti1234: Like AGC, but for playback |
| 13:24:58 | midkay | Jungti1234, yes, for playback :) |
| 13:24:59 | JdGordon | OH.. well really bugger then... what i was playing with is scrolling code to scroll different parts of the screen with diff fonts... |
| 13:25:27 | amiconn | If you change the font and have a scrolling line on the screen, that line will change font (and position!) as well, |
| 13:25:40 | amiconn | probably even leaving garbage behind where the line was before |
| 13:26:03 | amiconn | This needs some work at the lower level before we can support multiple fonts |
| 13:26:31 | linuxstb | Have you looked at the new multifont patch? Do you know if that deal with scrolling lines? |
| 13:26:44 | amiconn | No I haven't |
| 13:26:54 | Bger | linuxstb i think it workarounds the problem |
| 13:27:06 | amiconn | There are so many other areas which need work that I don't care much about multiple fonts right now |
| 13:27:07 | Bger | it just allows u to choose diff font for wps, file tree... |
| 13:30:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: How's the grayscale lib sim coming along? |
| 13:31:06 | amiconn | It's working, but not yet complete |
| 13:31:21 | amiconn | I'm currently working on getting the screendump to work |
| 13:32:09 | JdGordon | gnite guys, evil uni tomorow morning :'( |
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| 13:42:44 | Bger | it seems that Go != othelo |
| 13:43:08 | Bger | ops |
| 13:43:09 | amiconn | yes, very different |
| 13:44:45 | XavierGr | multifont patch didn't work for |
| 13:44:48 | XavierGr | very buggy |
| 13:45:25 | Moos | XavierGr: it's just one initial support ;) |
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| 13:46:10 | Moos | XavierGr: let's hope his author will continue to work on it |
| 13:51:06 | XavierGr | yeah, but in order to support multifont a lot of work is needed |
| 13:51:20 | XavierGr | also it seems that he doesn't cache the fonts into memory |
| 13:51:32 | XavierGr | he just loads the glyphs when the screen changes |
| 13:51:46 | amiconn | urgh |
| 13:51:56 | XavierGr | this introduces a lag into UI |
| 13:52:40 | amiconn | Nasty nack, waste of batery. |
| 13:52:54 | XavierGr | yeah I agree |
| 13:53:39 | XavierGr | he will have to load into memory (and eat a little of the buffer), though this will still eat battery and it would be a problem for archos |
| 13:53:57 | Moos | I hope TiMiD will come back soon for finish the multi screen support, and he wanted the multi fonts too |
| 13:54:05 | Jungti1234 | What mean is 'Result-5'? |
| 13:54:20 | Jungti1234 | result: -5 |
| 13:55:14 | XavierGr | Moos: I miss TiMiD :D, but I think he is in Japan, I doubt we will see him soon |
| 13:56:05 | Moos | yes he is (in Japon), but it's just on work try ("stage" in french), he will come back don't woories :) |
| 13:56:44 | linuxstb | A quick C question - is "while (c)" the same as "while (c!=0)" ? |
| 13:57:32 | amiconn | yes |
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| 14:37:16 | amiconn | Ok, buckle up... |
| 14:38:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd clips on his safety belt. |
| 14:38:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
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| 14:38:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 14:38:44 | spiralout | hi |
| 14:38:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd waits to see the score |
| 14:39:00 | spiralout | i have a problem with wps... |
| 14:39:11 | * | amiconn is anxiously watching the build table |
| 14:39:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: What problem? |
| 14:40:30 | spiralout | i have a bitmap in the backround with white areas left ...to show play, ff etc. |
| 14:41:08 | spiralout | and now the white areas arent transparent anymore |
| 14:41:32 | spiralout | so they are always white and i can´t show anything in this areas |
| 14:42:21 | spiralout | i have the h140 |
| 14:43:43 | spiralout | when i remove the permanent bitmap and let show the conditional bitmaps only everything works fine |
| 14:45:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: Is the bitmaps saved as a 24-bit, 8-bit, or Monochrome (1-bit) bitmap? |
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| 14:46:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I don't mean, is it IN black and white. Is it saved specifically as a monochrom file? |
| 14:46:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | maaan |
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| 14:46:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: Is the bitmaps saved as a 24-bit, 8-bit, or Monochrome (1-bit) bitmap? |
| 14:46:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I don't mean, is it IN black and white. Is it saved specifically as a monochrom file? |
| 14:47:10 | spiralout | 24bit greyscale |
| 14:47:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want the white portions to be transparent, it must be saved as 1-bit/monochrom |
| 14:47:41 | spiralout | i haven´t changed anything ...it worked for while |
| 14:47:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Otherwise they're treated as intentionally white, as opposed to simply "do not change this pixel" |
| 14:48:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: That was before it supported using grayscale bitmaps. ALL bitmaps were treated as 1-bit internally. Now they can be 1 or 2-bit. If they aren't saved as 1-bit, they're scaled to 2-bit, and white is treated as white, instead of nothing. |
| 14:49:56 | spiralout | i know that ..but it never was a 1 bit or anything i have done this wps by myself and it worked quite good till recently |
| 14:50:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | How recently? |
| 14:50:21 | spiralout | about a week |
| 14:50:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | And when was the last time you updated rockbox before that? |
| 14:51:04 | spiralout | daily |
| 14:51:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd, because that problem was introduced when color bitmap support was, I believe. |
| 14:52:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you save the one that's drawing on top as a monochrome bitmap, or cut it into 4 smaller bitmaps around the area you don't want to draw over (or as many smaller sections as you need) either of those will work, but white draws as white. |
| 14:53:11 | Moos | amiconn: good scoring, just 2 for irivers sim |
| 14:53:32 | spiralout | mh ok this is a workaround but i was just curious what the proble is |
| 14:53:43 | amiconn | Huh? The build is not yet finished... |
| 14:54:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: It's not a problem. That's expected behaviour. Grayscale images don't have transparency, monochrome ones do. |
| 14:54:24 | Moos | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/~tomas/daily.shtml , 41 min is very loong ! |
| 14:54:58 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't really trust the parallel builds. They're still experimental |
| 14:55:14 | Moos | it seems t0mas have fixed the errors |
| 14:55:16 | spiralout | but there has to be a change or something in the last week |
| 14:55:28 | spiralout | but thank you |
| 14:55:32 | Moos | amiconn: compare the 2 tables and you'll see |
| 14:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: Are you sure you didn't have the file saved differently before that, or the image tags in a different order, or something? |
| 14:56:09 | Moos | amiconn: 41 min compare to 12 min, big difference |
| 14:56:10 | spiralout | absolutly sure |
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| 14:56:20 | t0mas | amiconn: you can checkout errors anyway... just take a look at them to be sure it really is your commit |
| 14:56:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: Well, if you knew the exact day the change happened, it's be *really* helpful |
| 14:56:33 | amiconn | Yes, in that case the warnings are correct |
| 14:56:38 | t0mas | we've added a lot of error checking, so it should rebuild something if it expects an error to be server related |
| 14:57:01 | t0mas | takes some time on false positives... but it works great since then |
| 14:57:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: Though looking at the changelog I don't see any changes to the WPS handling about a week ago. |
| 14:57:46 | Moos | t0mas: Hi, you know, now I look always at your daily build table when I need it |
| 14:58:08 | Moos | 12 min is really fast for all builds |
| 14:58:31 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 14:58:40 | t0mas | it will be even faster when we're done |
| 14:58:40 | spiralout | hmm i´m afraid i can´t say the exact date (i take a look at the changelog) |
| 14:58:57 | t0mas | main server now does 2 builds... normale and distributed... so if we stop doing the old ones, it will get faster |
| 14:59:11 | t0mas | and Bagder has another server there... |
| 14:59:18 | t0mas | but that one still has to be setup |
| 14:59:23 | Moos | good then :) |
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| 15:00:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiralout: But, as you've described it, it's now working the way it's supposed to work. So, unfortunately, it sounds like what you want is the buggy behaviour. |
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| 15:00:47 | spiralout | :D he okay |
| 15:03:01 | spiralout | thank you i change my wps and then its propably the best wps available for h100 serien :-O *g (it really could be..i will post is in the forum uhuhh) |
| 15:03:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Put it in the WpsGallery too |
| 15:03:46 | Moos | please do to the Wiki gallery too |
| 15:03:46 | linuxstb | t0mas: Are you still using my computer for the builds? |
| 15:03:59 | t0mas | jup |
| 15:04:15 | linuxstb | I don't notice anything - and it's my main workstation. |
| 15:04:22 | t0mas | nice |
| 15:04:30 | t0mas | it's really fast right? dual xeon? |
| 15:04:45 | linuxstb | Yes, two 2.8GHz Xeons |
| 15:06:42 | t0mas | build takes like 20 seconds then I assume... |
| 15:06:57 | t0mas | so the only thing you can notice is the usage of upload bandwith |
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| 15:07:07 | t0mas | to the rockbox.org server |
| 15:07:07 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 15:09:02 | linuxstb | t0mas: I think it's about 40 seconds for the swcodec builds. I don't notice the upload bandwidth either. |
| 15:09:12 | t0mas | ok |
| 15:10:40 | t0mas | I did notice the download bandwith... but that was because of lostlogic's server... 100 mbits upload :) |
| 15:10:54 | t0mas | rockbox.org is on just 2mbit up/down iirc |
| 15:12:53 | t0mas | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/~tomas/daily.shtml <−− it's fixed |
| 15:13:01 | amiconn | t0mas: How stable has the internet connection to be in order to participate in the distributed build system? |
| 15:13:13 | amiconn | Is a variable IP address a problem? |
| 15:13:14 | t0mas | not that stable |
| 15:13:28 | t0mas | and if you have a fixed hostname, the ip isn't a problem |
| 15:13:29 | amiconn | (mapped to a fixed dyndns.org name) |
| 15:13:42 | amiconn | Bandwidth requirements? |
| 15:13:56 | t0mas | > 384 kbit/s upload |
| 15:14:04 | amiconn | Maybe I should look into getting rockbox to build properly on AMD64 |
| 15:14:20 | t0mas | how unstable is your connection? |
| 15:14:28 | amiconn | Then I could offer my Atlhon64 3800+ for participation |
| 15:14:50 | amiconn | The connection is quite stable, but is interrupted once per day |
| 15:14:57 | amiconn | I get a new IP then |
| 15:15:00 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 15:15:10 | amiconn | Bandwidth is currently 2048/384 |
| 15:15:21 | dwihno | I know this might be a bad place to ask, but has anyone experimented with DVB-T under Linux? |
| 15:15:27 | t0mas | It's not really interrupt proof now... |
| 15:15:32 | t0mas | it can handle servers that are fully down |
| 15:15:49 | t0mas | because it checks each server with the first build... if it can't connect, it doesn't build anything there |
| 15:16:01 | t0mas | but going down during a build is a problem |
| 15:16:03 | amiconn | Bandwidth will probably soon be 3072/512, or (hopefully) 6144/576 |
| 15:16:18 | t0mas | ok, that's enough |
| 15:16:49 | Jungti1234 | Doesn't commit album art patch? |
| 15:16:51 | t0mas | at this moment it sometimes hangs when a server loses the internet connection |
| 15:17:05 | t0mas | because scp and ssh block... |
| 15:17:55 | Jungti1234 | but It must do auto resizing. |
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| 15:18:12 | linuxstb | dwihno: Yes - I know about dvb-t under Linux. |
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| 15:19:40 | dwihno | linuxstb: have you personal experience? I'd love to equip my laptop with a USB decoder. |
| 15:19:43 | linuxstb | Jungti1234: Currently the album art patch uses too much memory (almost 1MB I think) even if you don't have any album art. That needs fixing before it can be committed. |
| 15:19:46 | dwihno | (receiver) |
| 15:20:15 | linuxstb | I haven't used USB receivers, only PCI cards. The PCI cards work very well, but I think there are stable drivers for USB as well. |
| 15:20:28 | linuxstb | http://www.linuxtv.org is the home of DVB under Linux |
| 15:20:38 | Jungti1234 | aah |
| 15:20:43 | Jungti1234 | :) thanks.. |
| 15:20:52 | linuxstb | dwihno: I think all their DVB drivers are in the latest 2.6.x kernels. |
| 15:21:20 | dwihno | linuxstb: Yeah, that's where I'm looking... Have you only tested DVB or have you perhaps tested some other kind of video signal (if it is supported, that is)? |
| 15:23:33 | linuxstb | I use both DVB-S (satellite) and DVB-T cards. I wouldn't go back to analogue capture cards. |
| 15:24:52 | dwihno | I wonder if it is possible to use the card for example, capturing my old video camera stuff |
| 15:25:06 | dwihno | linuxstb: that is _really_ cool |
| 15:25:29 | dwihno | you use an additional access card? |
| 15:25:37 | safetydan | amiconn, great stuff with the gray scale sim support. A question though, do plugins that use gray scale lib need adapting to work in the sim? I was expecting fire.rock to work in the h120 sim but I just get the normal "incompatible model" splash |
| 15:25:39 | dwihno | (or whatever you call it) :) |
| 15:26:15 | amiconn | safetydan: Does work here. Of course you need to 'make install' |
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| 15:28:08 | safetydan | amiconn, oh duh... |
| 15:28:17 | * | safetydan sheepishly remembers to type make install |
| 15:28:18 | skwad | are daily builds made automatically ? |
| 15:29:29 | safetydan | skwad, yes |
| 15:29:46 | skwad | i just compiled the simulator for iaudio x5 but there are errors in sudoku.c, i replaced it with another plugin and compilation worked well |
| 15:29:47 | safetydan | Hence why it says "These are automated daily builds" at the top of the daily build page |
| 15:30:02 | skwad | but in the daily build there seems to be no problem for sudoku |
| 15:30:43 | skwad | oops scuse me for that question safetydan , didn't read it |
| 15:30:50 | safetydan | no worries :) |
| 15:31:07 | skwad | but i don't understand why i have errors for sudoku :S |
| 15:31:10 | safetydan | Are you compiling from latest CVS? |
| 15:31:17 | skwad | perhaps there will be some in the next build |
| 15:31:17 | Moos | skwad: you can use the X5 sim anyway |
| 15:31:28 | skwad | yes safetydan it's the latest |
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| 15:31:43 | skwad | because color picker was bugging |
| 15:31:52 | Wilasombre-X5 | Yello |
| 15:32:03 | Moos | skwad: I always have this sodoku warning, but the sim compiled right, and I use the X5 sim |
| 15:32:03 | safetydan | skwad, I just compiled the X5 sim (SDL version) here with no errors |
| 15:32:17 | skwad | ok Moos |
| 15:32:39 | skwad | but is there an option to compile the next things when I have errors ? |
| 15:32:42 | safetydan | Interesting, I wonder if it's compiler version related |
| 15:32:43 | Wilasombre-X5 | Wots happening? |
| 15:32:45 | safetydan | What error are you getting? |
| 15:33:01 | Moos | let me check |
| 15:33:25 | amiconn | skwad: sudoku is broken for the x5 sim. This error isn't visible in th eautomated builds because these are done under linux |
| 15:33:47 | safetydan | What's different about compiling under Windows? |
| 15:33:58 | amiconn | On linux it's not an error if there are unresolved symbols in a shared object. |
| 15:34:04 | safetydan | ah |
| 15:34:16 | skwad | ok, because i use cygwin |
| 15:34:23 | amiconn | On windows it is (in the equivalent of a shared object, a dll) |
| 15:34:41 | Moos | skwad: you can use sim anyway, I'm under Cygwin too |
| 15:34:47 | Wilasombre-X5 | Same |
| 15:35:15 | amiconn | Someone mentioned a linker switch to make this an error on linux as well. Dunno if it was already tried |
| 15:36:12 | skwad | i have juste some undefined references errors |
| 15:36:25 | Wilasombre-X5 | Wot r u trying to do? |
| 15:36:49 | skwad | just to compile the simulator |
| 15:37:07 | Wilasombre-X5 | o i can't do that |
| 15:37:13 | Wilasombre-X5 | Its just goes wrong |
| 15:37:22 | skwad | why ? |
| 15:37:33 | Wilasombre-X5 | Just doesn't want to do it :( |
| 15:37:36 | Wilasombre-X5 | Gave up |
| 15:37:46 | Wilasombre-X5 | Will have to have another go at it soon tho |
| 15:38:01 | safetydan | What's the exact warning/error? |
| 15:38:07 | skwad | mine ? |
| 15:38:13 | safetydan | yes |
| 15:38:21 | linuxstb | There are no bitmaps defined for sudoku. |
| 15:38:49 | linuxstb | So either Sudoku needs to be disabled for the X5, or someone needs to create the bitmaps. |
| 15:38:59 | Wilasombre-X5 | Wheres paint :P |
| 15:39:13 | skwad | : /home/P4/rockbox-devel/apps/plugins/sudoku.c:793: undefined reference to `_sudoku_normal' |
| 15:39:35 | linuxstb | skwad: Yes, that's an external bitmap. |
| 15:39:36 | skwad | sorry didn't understand why it didn't came on the chat, I didn't see there was a / |
| 15:40:05 | skwad | ok |
| 15:40:06 | linuxstb | The easiest temporary fix is just to delete sudoku.c from apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 15:41:30 | skwad | ok |
| 15:41:56 | Wilasombre-X5 | did that work> |
| 15:41:58 | skwad | worked well |
| 15:42:01 | skwad | yep |
| 15:42:15 | skwad | beforce i just replaced sudoku.c with another like solitaire.c |
| 15:42:20 | skwad | and it did work too |
| 15:42:28 | skwad | but so it's cleaner |
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| 15:43:56 | skwad | wilasombre-x5 you know it's not difficult to compile it |
| 15:44:12 | skwad | i'm noob and it worked :D |
| 15:44:59 | Wilasombre-X5 | Ive got a odd setup:P trust me |
| 15:45:11 | Wilasombre-X5 | will format the laptop soon and try fresh on that |
| 15:45:16 | Wilasombre-X5 | got a bit of cw 2 get done htho |
| 15:45:19 | Wilasombre-X5 | tho* |
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| 15:46:16 | skwad | i just used http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 15:46:20 | skwad | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 15:46:47 | skwad | love that great jobe made by rockbox developpers :-p |
| 15:46:58 | Wilasombre-X5 | :) |
| 15:47:47 | sneakums | i'm hearing an artifact on my h120 with a vorbis file that i don't hear with ogg123, are there any known problems like this? |
| 15:48:18 | Wilasombre-X5 | I only have a x5 |
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| 15:48:47 | Wilasombre-X5 | no sry mate - i only know the x5 |
| 15:49:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | sneakums: What encoder and version did you use? |
| 15:49:28 | sneakums | oggenc 1.0.2 |
| 15:50:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm. Haven't heard any complaints of artifacts. Out of curiosity, do you hear it in the iriver software too, or just rockbox? |
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| 15:50:13 | safetydan | EQ on or off? |
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| 15:50:28 | sneakums | off, as far as i know |
| 15:50:37 | sneakums | i've definitely never fiddled with eq |
| 15:50:38 | _SuperSnout_ | hi |
| 15:51:06 | sneakums | it's pretty prominent at -q 2, seems to disappear at -q 4 |
| 15:51:08 | _SuperSnout_ | I just wanted to ask about rockbox for the h320.. |
| 15:51:26 | sneakums | in fact i think i can very faintly hear it at -q2 with ogg123, but it's really prominent on rockbox |
| 15:51:59 | sneakums | this is the affected bit: sneakums/7-20.ogg">http://zork.net/~sneakums/7-20.ogg |
| 15:52:13 | sneakums | Paul_The_Nerd: i'll try the iriver firmware now |
| 15:52:36 | sneakums | haven't used it in months |
| 15:53:51 | sneakums | it's there with the iriver firmware too |
| 15:53:57 | sneakums | i wonder if it's a tremor thing |
| 15:54:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, in that case it's not a bug at least |
| 15:54:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, not a bug in terms of "rockbox" |
| 15:54:43 | sneakums | my ears bleed all the same though |
| 15:54:48 | safetydan | it's probably a tremor thing |
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| 15:54:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | So encode at q4 for that song. |
| 15:55:31 | skwad | _SuperSnout_ what did you want to know ? |
| 15:55:43 | sneakums | not my preferred solution |
| 15:55:53 | _SuperSnout_ | i just wanted to know whether is was in a useable state.. |
| 15:55:54 | sneakums | i'll probably just not listen to that song on rockbox |
| 15:56:05 | _SuperSnout_ | whether it was worth changing to rockbox.. |
| 15:56:07 | skwad | yes of course |
| 15:56:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | sneakums: What player do you have? |
| 15:56:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oops |
| 15:56:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | _SuperSnout_ What player? |
| 15:56:28 | skwad | i have a friend who has it and its really good |
| 15:56:29 | _SuperSnout_ | h320 |
| 15:56:42 | skwad | and many of the guys here are happy with it too |
| 15:56:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | sneakums: Ignore that. Out of curiosity, why is not ever listening to it preferable to a slightly higher bitrate? |
| 15:56:49 | _SuperSnout_ | do the upsides outweigh the downsides/ |
| 15:57:12 | safetydan | _SuperSnout_, the only downside seems to be no video playback |
| 15:57:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | _SuperSnout_: The only real downside is decreased battery life, and complete lack of DRM support. If you don't use online music stores, the second is a non-issue. |
| 15:57:26 | safetydan | and those ones as well |
| 15:57:29 | sneakums | i'm all about foolish consistency |
| 15:57:30 | safetydan | no WMA support either |
| 15:57:46 | _SuperSnout_ | the lack of video is really sad.. =( |
| 15:58:06 | _SuperSnout_ | and so is the battery life.. the wma and DRM doesn't matter to me.. |
| 15:58:07 | skwad | i wouldn't buy a h320 for video lol ^^ |
| 15:58:20 | _SuperSnout_ | it's true.. but video is fun.. |
| 15:58:26 | skwad | but supersnout |
| 15:58:31 | skwad | whend you install rockbox |
| 15:58:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | _SuperSnout_: It doesn't remove the original software, so you can reboot into it to watch video |
| 15:58:45 | skwad | you can at any time start the original firmware |
| 15:58:58 | _SuperSnout_ | seriously? that's amazing |
| 15:59:01 | skwad | yes |
| 15:59:12 | _SuperSnout_ | how would you go between the different firmwares? |
| 15:59:23 | skwad | if im right you have to push rec and play button for starting the original |
| 15:59:31 | skwad | and juste play button for rockbox |
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| 15:59:54 | _SuperSnout_ | that is pretty cool i have to say |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:16 | _SuperSnout_ | are there any guides for setting up rockbox? and telling you the different features? |
| 16:00:24 | * | sneakums deletes that dopey record directory iriver insists on creating |
| 16:00:37 | skwad | look on the rockbox site |
| 16:00:40 | skwad | and on misticriver |
| 16:01:20 | skwad | yes my friend confirms, it's only play for starting rockbox, and play + rec for starting original |
| 16:01:36 | safetydan | _SuperSnout_, another advantage is you can customise the look of your iRiver screens... like this http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=398765&postcount=103 |
| 16:01:39 | safetydan | (only one example) |
| 16:02:05 | skwad | a lot of things |
| 16:02:06 | skwad | you can have album art, games , plugins |
| 16:02:13 | _SuperSnout_ | nice.. |
| 16:02:16 | _SuperSnout_ | games!? |
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| 16:02:21 | _SuperSnout_ | wow =\ |
| 16:02:22 | _SuperSnout_ | =P |
| 16:02:23 | sneakums | my current wps: http://static.flickr.com/9/75910677_2486a6bc8d.jpg |
| 16:02:40 | skwad | of course games |
| 16:02:43 | skwad | snake |
| 16:02:43 | skwad | doom |
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| 16:02:49 | skwad | sudoku, solitaire .... |
| 16:02:56 | skwad | minesweeper |
| 16:03:08 | Jungti1234 | sneakums: good... |
| 16:03:10 | _SuperSnout_ | what's a wps? |
| 16:03:13 | safetydan | _SuperSnout_, try here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall |
| 16:03:17 | safetydan | While Play Screen |
| 16:03:18 | saa[b_r]ider | while playing screen |
| 16:03:20 | saa[b_r]ider | damn |
| 16:03:21 | safetydan | Playing even |
| 16:03:30 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 16:03:32 | skwad | a wps is like a skin |
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| 16:03:43 | skwad | if im right :S |
| 16:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Did you ever try using that 60hz flac the guy put up with the equalizer? |
| 16:03:55 | saa[b_r]ider | I swear, everyone here is a bot! |
| 16:04:11 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, been reading the Sunday paper so haven't really bothered with that yet :) |
| 16:04:50 | _SuperSnout_ | "Rockbox for the H300 series should be used only by developers" |
| 16:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I'd actually say he's right. The two shelves seem to work, but when I set a peak to 60hz, and tried several different Qs including the default, it didn't really seem to affect the level at all. (Actually, if I upped the dB, it seemed to clip without actually increasing... kinda odd) |
| 16:05:04 | _SuperSnout_ | doesn't sound very positive =( |
| 16:05:15 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, but it's certainly possible the peak filters have issues with lower or higher frequencies |
| 16:05:19 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, preglow would know more |
| 16:05:42 | safetydan | _SuperSnout_, it's a disclaimer, a lot of people have been successfully using Rockbox. Just be aware that it's still under development |
| 16:05:59 | _SuperSnout_ | ok ; ) |
| 16:05:59 | skwad | supersnout look there : |
| 16:06:00 | skwad | http://www.misticriver.net/forumdisplay.php?f=137 |
| 16:06:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I suppose yeah, at that point it's more math than ui related, isn't it. |
| 16:07:03 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, pretty much. I just pretend to know what I'm talking about at that point :) |
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| 16:07:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, pass it on to him if you see him awake before I do. :) |
| 16:08:03 | safetydan | I've gone over the coefficient calculations in eq.c and they seem to match the source documentation so I don't think there's an issue there. |
| 16:08:15 | safetydan | The actual application of the EQ settings is in assembler so I get a little lost at that point |
| 16:08:32 | safetydan | been on the order of 10 years since I last dabbled in m68k asm |
| 16:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I encountered the problem on an iPod, so whatever it is, it's present in both sets of ASM. So it seems an algorithm error, or aspect, rather than a small mistake somewhere. |
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| 16:10:45 | safetydan | true |
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| 16:17:45 | godzirra | I asked this before but dunno if I ever got an answer... Can you rate mp3s on rockbox? |
| 16:18:23 | godzirra | I know that there's a place in the id3 tags for ratings, kind of like itunes does, but wasnt sure if you could modify this on rockbox. And if not, is there a place to request that? |
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| 16:31:11 | ghode|afk | the rockbox data already has a ratings function |
| 16:32:19 | ghode|afk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2 & http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase |
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| 16:55:48 | linuxstb | Any ipod 3g users around? |
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| 17:03:26 | linuxstb | I've just committed an audio driver for the 3g - I now need someone to say if it's time for a ladies & gentlemen email or not.... |
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| 17:04:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe put a post in the forum, once the build finishes? |
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| 17:06:18 | linuxstb | I think I'll wait to see if slimx shows up first. |
| 17:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's probably much safer, and less "OMG it doesn't work?!?!?" filled. |
| 17:09:00 | linuxstb | It's also that I've got no time to debug it now. |
| 17:10:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, that too. |
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| 17:44:37 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Any idea if anyone has tested your battery benchmark plugin on the ipod? We don't have battery status working yet... |
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| 18:00:41 | XavierGr | linuxstb: AFAIK no |
| 18:00:56 | XavierGr | but it should work none the less |
| 18:01:22 | XavierGr | time, and voltage ratings should work |
| 18:01:36 | XavierGr | even if there is no % meter or ETA shutdown |
| 18:02:08 | XavierGr | The plugin is build for the ipod, right? |
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| 18:04:33 | XavierGr | linuxstb: but if you think that the plugin will not work on the ipod then remove my comment on ipod runtime |
| 18:04:56 | XavierGr | I just fell right to add it so users will take more accurate results easy |
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| 18:11:03 | linuxstb | I've never tried it, so I don't know what the plugin requires to work. There is no voltage reading implemented yet. But it can work with only a time, then that's perfect. |
| 18:11:43 | XavierGr | if there is no errors on build maybe it will work right but without other measurements |
| 18:12:15 | linuxstb | Lets see if anyone complains - at least now people may test your plugin :) |
| 18:12:20 | XavierGr | hehe |
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| 18:14:09 | CuBie | Hey, is there a version of Rockbox for the iPod Video 30gb? |
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| 18:17:56 | linuxstb | CuBie: Yes. |
| 18:18:09 | linuxstb | Are you a Windows or Mac user? |
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| 18:19:58 | CuBie | Windows |
| 18:20:16 | fantomas | Hi. What are advantages of using rockbox comparing to uClinux (ipodlinux.org)? |
| 18:21:44 | linuxstb | CuBie: then see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 18:21:48 | bluey | its easier to get it to work =) |
| 18:21:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: Simply put, rockbox has much better music playback. It's focused as an mp3 player firmware, as opposed to a linux distro. |
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| 18:22:40 | CuBie | If the firmware write fails, or somthing goes wrong, is there a way to recover the iPod with dead firmware? Thats the only thing im worried about |
| 18:23:02 | linuxstb | Yes, it's always possible to recover your ipod. |
| 18:23:22 | linuxstb | (unless you physically damage it, which no-one has ever done just using software yet) |
| 18:23:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: It doesn't write to ROM or anything, just the OS Partition, so you can use the apple restore utility if everything else fails. |
| 18:23:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually though, you can just write back the initial bootpartition.bin image you extracted (assuming you keep a backup copy of it) |
| 18:24:01 | CuBie | ahh, so the apple bootloader is kept intact? |
| 18:24:02 | fantomas | Paul_The_Nerd: is RockBox the replacement of original OS or it is the Application? If its firmware (99% it is, thats follows from website's docs) - can I have both original and rockbox stuff on iPod at the same time? |
| 18:24:28 | linuxstb | CuBie: Yes, the apple bootloader loads the rockbox bootloader, which then either loads Rockbox or the Apple firmware. |
| 18:24:39 | CuBie | okay, Im gonna try this :) |
| 18:24:45 | linuxstb | The apple bootloader is in flash, and that's never touched during installation of Rockbox (or IPL). |
| 18:24:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: It is a replacement for the original OS. But yes, you can dual boot. If you hold menu while booting, it will load into the original OS. In fact, through a slightly more complicated process you can even set it up to let you choose linux too |
| 18:25:28 | CuBie | Im interested in deving some stuff for Rockbox, I love embedded hardware.. Do you use GCC to compile? |
| 18:25:44 | linuxstb | Yes - all Rockbox targets use gcc. |
| 18:25:46 | safetydan | hrm... something very weird is happening when you try and play oggs in the sim |
| 18:26:01 | CuBie | okay, cool. Thanks for the info linuxstb |
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| 18:28:05 | fantomas | Paul_The_Nerd: cool. Actually what I do want from MP3 player (among its title: 'iPod' :) - is the ability to play OGGs. From Features List it also follows Rockbox can play OGGs with some limitations (low bitrates). Well, is this the only limitation? |
| 18:28:37 | fantomas | [low bitrates - problems with low bitrates] |
| 18:28:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: I don't believe there are any limitations on OGG any more. I think that may be outdated. |
| 18:29:24 | safetydan | I think there's still a problem with pre-1.0 encoded oggs, but everything else should be fine |
| 18:29:25 | fantomas | ok. Cool. I'm going to buy iPod Nano, hoping its support is up to date either in ipodlinux or rockbox |
| 18:29:35 | safetydan | q10 oggs might have issues as well actually |
| 18:29:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: I use an iPod Nano with Rockbox and have been for a while. It's excellent. |
| 18:29:54 | skwad | common ogg is just an old thing, now juste use wma with drm, that's amazing ! lol kidding |
| 18:30:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I know up to Q8 works without issue, with replaygain. At that it still boosts less than 80%. |
| 18:31:12 | safetydan | good to know |
| 18:31:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 18:31:18 | safetydan | q10 is a corner case anyway |
| 18:31:24 | fantomas | I don't think high bitrates someone wish to have on few 4Gbs. |
| 18:31:44 | fantomas | maybe only for testing... |
| 18:31:47 | safetydan | I'm sure there's someone out there with a nano full of ALE or FLAC files |
| 18:31:54 | bluey | =) |
| 18:32:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Actually, ogg is optimized more than MP3 on the iPod right now. You get more sluggishness in the menu with 256kbps CBR mp3s than with Q8 oggs. |
| 18:32:19 | fantomas | safetydan: they probably lost their home HDDs :) |
| 18:32:21 | bluey | well i would still prefer musepack instead of such high bitrate files |
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| 18:38:03 | amiconn | Bger: I see another problem with your navigation event idea: |
| 18:39:00 | amiconn | On different platforms, the same button events are sometimes associated to different navigation events depending on whether you are in the menu/browser or in a setting |
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| 18:40:16 | amiconn | E.g. on the player you move down (forward) in the menu with "+", and up with "-". In a setting, "+" increases the value and "-" decreases it |
| 18:40:50 | CuBie | woo bootloader installed :) |
| 18:40:53 | amiconn | Same on iPod, scroll_forward moves down / increases setting, scroll_backward does the opposite |
| 18:41:08 | amiconn | On all other targets, the association is switched: |
| 18:41:35 | amiconn | "Down" moves down in the menu/browser, and *decreases* a settings value |
| 18:41:41 | CuBie | How comes it takes like 30 seconds to load the original firmware after it cant find rockbox? |
| 18:42:06 | amiconn | "Up" moves up / increases a settings value |
| 18:43:33 | linuxstb | CuBie: Ask Apple. Immediately after the message "loading original firmware" is displayed, Rockbox transfers control to the Apple firmware. That wait is whilst the Apple firmware initialises itself. |
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| 18:44:13 | CuBie | ahh, it probably takes that long usually but I havent noticed :) |
| 18:45:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Most times you're only waking up from sleep, not actually loading the firmware and initializing it. |
| 18:45:25 | CuBie | yeah |
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| 18:49:25 | * | CuBie has rockbox :) |
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| 18:51:53 | linuxstb | slimx: Just the person :) |
| 18:52:01 | CuBie | ahh this is neat :) |
| 18:52:03 | slimx | hy linuxstb |
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| 18:52:11 | slimx | i've just seen youre commit |
| 18:52:20 | slimx | :) |
| 18:52:20 | linuxstb | Have you tried it yet? |
| 18:52:24 | slimx | not yet |
| 18:52:42 | slimx | but give 5 minutes and i will |
| 18:53:29 | slimx | *give me |
| 18:53:32 | slimx | :p |
| 18:53:47 | linuxstb | No problem. |
| 18:54:16 | slimx | make is running :) |
| 18:54:40 | vmx | are there any plans to port rockbox from iaudio x5 back to m3? |
| 18:55:36 | skwad | i think it's very difficult, because you have no screen on m3 ... |
| 18:55:55 | bluey | yeah only the remote |
| 18:56:02 | bluey | good that i have sold my one |
| 18:56:11 | skwad | what did you got ? |
| 18:56:42 | bluey | well i thought about buying the x5 but than rockbox for ipod had been announced |
| 18:56:54 | skwad | I own a x5 |
| 18:57:07 | amiconn | Why should that be more difficult? |
| 18:57:10 | CuBie | how comes my battery thing constantly flashes on my iPod video? |
| 18:57:14 | bluey | i liked the m3 but the remote got broken and to get an replacement was really expensive |
| 18:57:14 | skwad | yeah but hardware believes the same .... |
| 18:57:24 | amiconn | Rockbox would just treat the remote LCD as the main one |
| 18:57:30 | linuxstb | CuBie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ :) |
| 18:57:36 | CuBie | * Reads * |
| 18:58:19 | skwad | yes amiconn |
| 18:58:29 | vmx | once you can boot rockbox, one could at least try it on the m3. it's a pitty that i don't have any experience in low level programming |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:55 | skwad | but is there just the screen removed on the m3 ? |
| 19:01:05 | skwad | do you think all the rest is identical ? |
| 19:01:10 | skwad | the same |
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| 19:01:57 | vmx | no it's a bit different, in the wiki are the specs |
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| 19:03:50 | slimx | it doesn't starts playing |
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| 19:05:45 | skwad | i think the creative vision M with rockbox would be amazing ! |
| 19:07:03 | amiconn | Gah, wasting of resources in gwps.*. Baad. |
| 19:08:28 | linuxstb | slimx: I'll have a look now... |
| 19:09:02 | slimx | ok linuxstb |
| 19:09:25 | slimx | the timer doesn't change |
| 19:09:51 | slimx | but the good news is that is doesn't freeze |
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| 19:10:34 | slimx | */is/it/ :p |
| 19:11:35 | CuBie | Now I have a bootloader installed to execute rockbox.ipod, I should beable to compile anything or just a demo app that writes to the screen, based on rockbox, and call it rockbox.ipod to make it boot? |
| 19:12:31 | linuxstb | CuBie: Yes. Or change the bootloader itself. |
| 19:12:47 | linuxstb | But you could also develop Rockbox itself, or develop a plugin for Rockbox.... |
| 19:13:13 | CuBie | yeah |
| 19:13:26 | linuxstb | slimx: First bug - change line 373 of firmware/pcm_playback.c to say "|= (1<<9);" instead of "&= ~(1<<9);" |
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| 19:13:38 | slimx | ok |
| 19:13:44 | linuxstb | That _may_ be enough to fix it... |
| 19:14:07 | CuBie | Does rockbox have full 16bit colour support on the iPod video? |
| 19:14:15 | slimx | and line 403 ? |
| 19:14:27 | linuxstb | CuBie: Yes - try some of the plugins, such as bejewelled or brickmania |
| 19:14:40 | linuxstb | Or click on a jpeg file in the file browser.... |
| 19:15:11 | CuBie | ahh wicked |
| 19:15:17 | CuBie | Means I can make a nice 16bit skin |
| 19:15:22 | linuxstb | slimx: No. Line 373 enables the interrupt (or should do), and line 403 disables it. |
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| 19:15:38 | slimx | :) |
| 19:15:40 | linuxstb | The bug was that I was disabling it instead of enabling it.... |
| 19:15:46 | slimx | yes i've seen it |
| 19:15:57 | slimx | but just after typing :p |
| 19:16:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: You actually use 24-bit bitmap files to make the while playing screen, and rockbox converts them to 16-bit in memory. |
| 19:16:35 | CuBie | okay, how flexable is the rockbox themes format? Can you make it display anything, anywhere? |
| 19:16:38 | linuxstb | In fact you have to use 24-bit bmp files - Rockbox can't load 16-bit files. |
| 19:17:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Text is positioned relatively. It basically just goes on the line you type it on. Or tokens used for ID3 data or whatever. Images can be positioned with pixel coordinates. |
| 19:17:31 | linuxstb | CuBie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 19:18:00 | linuxstb | The "skinning" facilities in Rockbox are still in their infancy - it's only really the WPS screen at the moment. |
| 19:18:08 | fantomas | I'm going to order iPod Nano 4 on Amazon.com. What accessories would you advice to buy? Cords? Adapters? |
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| 19:18:18 | pyro | hey guys - I f'ed up the wiki. I'm trying to do my first update. I attatched a datasheet and about to add it to the table here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets But I didn't click "Hide Link" and now it's at the bottom of the page : ( Any way to delete it now? |
| 19:18:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: The only thing you *may* want is the adapter that lets you charge it from a wall socket, if you intend to travel with it, and not have a laptop or other device that can deliver USB power. |
| 19:18:57 | CuBie | ahh okay. If I make a nice theme in .bmps do you think theres anybody around who would do the .wps stuff? |
| 19:19:07 | linuxstb | pyro: Just click on "edit", scroll down to the bottom of the page and delete it. |
| 19:19:24 | fantomas | Paul_The_Nerd: ok. Didn't know there is no applied. Thats very usefull of course |
| 19:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: It's really not that hard to do the WPS stuff. In fact you really have to do that first so you can take a screenshot to properly create the backdrop/wps stuff around it. |
| 19:19:40 | pyro | It doesn't show up under the edit window |
| 19:19:49 | fantomas | Paul_The_Nerd: applied/supplied |
| 19:20:09 | slimx | mm |
| 19:20:20 | slimx | it's still doesn't start playing |
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| 19:20:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: The iPod Nano only comes with a USB cable, and charges from your computer's USB2.0 port. |
| 19:20:46 | slimx | but now it load something in buffer |
| 19:20:49 | linuxstb | pyro: Sorry - just click on "manage", then check the "hide file" box, and then click on "Change Properties" |
| 19:20:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | fantomas: Another suggestion is perhaps an iSkin or other protective measure. iPod nanos scratch *very* easily. |
| 19:21:10 | pyro | there we go - thanks linuxstb. New to wiki... |
| 19:21:25 | CuBie | okay :) |
| 19:22:11 | marevalo | hi, any problem with the BUTTON_OFF in the irivers at cvs top ? |
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| 19:22:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: If you don't lay out the text first using the rockbox fonts, you often end up having to alter bitmaps after the fact because the relative positioning causes it to not line up quite how you expected. |
| 19:23:08 | CuBie | yeah thats what Im worrying about :) |
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| 19:24:34 | linuxstb | slimx: I've just remembered another problem.. Give me a few minutes, and I'll commit a change to CVS. |
| 19:24:50 | marevalo | sorry I'm talking about the UISim ( it seems http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4734 ) |
| 19:24:54 | slimx | np linuxstb |
| 19:25:28 | slimx | i'll wait |
| 19:28:42 | linuxstb | slimx: Try this patch (to save me making lots of small commits): http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/crt0.diff |
| 19:29:32 | linuxstb | Also fix line 646 of pcm_playback.c..... |
| 19:29:54 | CuBie | how do you exit out of a plugin? |
| 19:30:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: In most cases, Menu+Select |
| 19:30:05 | linuxstb | Either MENU, or MENU+SELECT |
| 19:30:10 | CuBie | ah thanks |
| 19:30:34 | linuxstb | Isn't that in the FAQ yet? :) |
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| 19:31:19 | CuBie | dosent seem to be! |
| 19:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll go do that |
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| 19:33:39 | slimx | data abort |
| 19:33:41 | slimx | :p |
| 19:33:52 | slimx | at 0023CE8 |
| 19:35:30 | CuBie | I've found a bug that dosent appear to be on the bugtracker |
| 19:35:45 | linuxstb | slimx: Can you look in <build>/apps/rockbox.map and see what function that memory location is in? |
| 19:35:55 | linuxstb | CuBie: That wouldn't be hard to do with the current state of the ipod port.... |
| 19:35:58 | linuxstb | What is it/ |
| 19:35:59 | linuxstb | ? |
| 19:36:17 | CuBie | if you switch the hold button on and off while in an app, everything freezes |
| 19:36:21 | slimx | i've just rebooted and tried against a 128kb mp3 |
| 19:36:29 | slimx | without data abort error |
| 19:36:43 | slimx | the failed one was 193kb |
| 19:37:12 | slimx | i don't know if it make sense but .... |
| 19:37:41 | CuBie | should I submit it? |
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| 19:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Have you tried scrolling the scrollwheel a little? |
| 19:37:57 | Johannes__ | help!! |
| 19:38:08 | CuBie | yeh, tried loads of buttons |
| 19:38:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Also, the bugtracker is primarily for bugs on targets that it's actually in a "release" state on. |
| 19:38:26 | Johannes__ | I followed the instructions for installing rockbox on my h320.... |
| 19:38:37 | Johannes__ | but it's all in korean!!! |
| 19:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Also, it doesn't do that for me. |
| 19:39:01 | CuBie | try this: |
| 19:39:04 | Johannes__ | ='( |
| 19:39:12 | CuBie | open the rotating cube app |
| 19:39:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: The buttons don't work after holding until you scroll the wheel a little bit. That's a glitch from a not-so-recent-anymore change. |
| 19:39:27 | Johannes__ | what should i do? |
| 19:39:38 | slimx | i can't find 0023CE8 in rockbox.map :p |
| 19:39:48 | CuBie | ahh okay |
| 19:39:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Johannes__: You aren't in rockbox then, you're in the iRiver Korean firmware that you used to flash. |
| 19:39:55 | CuBie | yeh.. Works here then |
| 19:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: You should get button responsiveness back if you just scroll enough to light up the backlight. |
| 19:40:11 | CuBie | yeah |
| 19:40:12 | Johannes__ | yeah i know.. but shouldn't the korean firmware be in enlish? |
| 19:40:16 | linuxstb | slimx: That address will be in the middle of a function - find the function that starts just before that address. |
| 19:40:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: The alternative was having the volume go up like, 50 units due to buffered scroll events if the system was slow from decoding. |
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| 19:40:37 | CuBie | oh okay |
| 19:40:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: If it's korean firmware, why should it be in english? |
| 19:40:58 | CuBie | can anybody recommend a nice cvs client for windows? |
| 19:41:03 | SuperSnout | because i had korean firmware before and it was in english.. |
| 19:41:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Since you probably want to do the development in Cygwin, I might suggest simply "cvs" :-P\ |
| 19:41:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Then you probably need to go into the settings and change it? |
| 19:41:27 | SuperSnout | was that only the older version? |
| 19:41:34 | CuBie | lol |
| 19:41:35 | CuBie | First thing on my list is to make it look pretty :) |
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| 19:41:44 | SuperSnout | but.. but.. i can't read the settings! ='( |
| 19:42:01 | SuperSnout | does anybody have a h300 iriver? |
| 19:42:16 | SuperSnout | so that they can tell me which menus to go on to change the language.. |
| 19:42:22 | slimx | it seems to be in pcmbuff.c in pcmbuff_play_start linuxstb |
| 19:42:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Well, in terms of WPS and such, you don't need anything from CVS. You really only need the source if you want to code up a plugin or improve the UI system. |
| 19:42:47 | egotrippen | i'm havin some Cygwin troubles |
| 19:42:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Go search the misticriver forums, I'm sure you aren't the first person who's asked that question. |
| 19:42:57 | CuBie | I'm going to recode the skinning bit, so I can place anything where I want it :) |
| 19:43:25 | SuperSnout | very true |
| 19:43:26 | egotrippen | following the Cygwin install instructions, after i'm done i run it and 'dir' and 'cd' commands don't do anything |
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| 19:43:39 | egotrippen | any ideas what i'm doing wrong? |
| 19:43:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: Believe me, that's not a small undertaking. |
| 19:43:57 | CuBie | I realise :) |
| 19:44:08 | SuperSnout | found it! |
| 19:44:12 | SuperSnout | phew |
| 19:44:46 | linuxstb | CuBie: The intention is to keep the line-by-line display in the WPS, but to introduce the concept of viewports. So you can set a viewport anywhere on the screen and then draw lines of text in it. This will also handle scrolling lines of text. |
| 19:44:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | CuBie: The other thing is, it would need to support old .wps files too, so it would ideally need to be backward compatibility. There was discussion of a viewport system, where you could define an upper left and lower right corner for viewports, and within them text was positioned relatively, and scrolled to the edges of the viewports. |
| 19:45:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, what linuxstb said. |
| 19:45:05 | CuBie | lol |
| 19:45:17 | CuBie | yeah thats a good idea |
| 19:45:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: What happens when you type either of those? |
| 19:45:37 | egotrippen | dir = command not found |
| 19:45:44 | egotrippen | i think cd just gives me the prompt |
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| 19:45:54 | amiconn | Something is very odd with rasher's fonts. The larger ones (tested various Helvetica variants) have some of their capitals displayed half-height, in the top half of the bounding box. I wonder whether this is a convbdf bug... |
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| 19:46:21 | egotrippen | yeah, cd:/rockbox doesn't change the bash prompt at all |
| 19:46:23 | amiconn | E.g. 75dpi/helvB24-L1.fnt has E and Z half-height |
| 19:46:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I believe that was mentioned as being a convbdf bug many months ago by someone, but I thought it'd been fixed. |
| 19:46:40 | linuxstb | slimx: I'm confused by that data abort - that code should be identical to other ipods... |
| 19:46:54 | CuBie | has anybody starting implementing viewports yet? |
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| 19:47:12 | linuxstb | CuBie: No. |
| 19:47:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: What about ls by chance? |
| 19:47:23 | slimx | linuxstb, on my second boot |
| 19:47:32 | slimx | things worked better |
| 19:47:38 | linuxstb | Any sound then? |
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| 19:47:43 | slimx | no |
| 19:47:47 | egotrippen | same, command not found |
| 19:47:47 | CuBie | Okay, I've gotta go eat. I'll mess with this more later. Nice project guys, nice work on porting it to the iPod. I hope I can contribute to it :) |
| 19:47:54 | ts-x | amiconn: I noticed the same thing - ncenR14-L1 is another example |
| 19:47:56 | slimx | but vuemetter change one time |
| 19:48:00 | SuperSnout | when you're installing rockbox....... |
| 19:48:12 | slimx | at play launch |
| 19:48:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: You might want to just uninstall it completely and try again. It sounds like it didn't get fully installed properly. |
| 19:48:20 | SuperSnout | do you really just put that huge load of files into the root directory? |
| 19:48:23 | egotrippen | ok |
| 19:48:26 | SuperSnout | loose.. |
| 19:48:30 | Shadowarrior13 | Yes. |
| 19:48:40 | SuperSnout | wow.. ok |
| 19:48:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: no |
| 19:48:48 | egotrippen | is there a reason it would break my devkit installation too, even though they aren't in the same directory? |
| 19:48:49 | SuperSnout | no? |
| 19:49:05 | Shadowarrior13 | No? |
| 19:49:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: There should only be two things. rockbox.ipod (or .iriver, or whatever) and a folder called .rockbox |
| 19:49:07 | SuperSnout | what do you do with them after you've unzipped them then? |
| 19:49:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Make sure when you're extracting the .zip it creates subdirectories. |
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| 19:49:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: It's actually possible that the devkit being present is why cygwin didn't work. |
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| 19:50:09 | egotrippen | ah |
| 19:50:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: depending on where the DLLs get put and such, you may have two different versions of cygwin conflicting. |
| 19:51:21 | egotrippen | ok |
| 19:51:34 | ts-x | amiconn: It's strange because many of them are fine - nceB14-L1 is fine, while it's R variant is not |
| 19:51:38 | SuperSnout | oh.. i get it.. sorry.. they're in folders.. just didn't look like that in winzip |
| 19:51:41 | SuperSnout | thanks =) |
| 19:51:48 | egotrippen | is removing the devkit as easy as deleting the c:\rockbox dir? or do i have to hunt for .dlls? |
| 19:52:00 | egotrippen | i forget if it was a .zip or .exe install |
| 19:52:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: Honestly don't know anything about the devkit really. |
| 19:52:07 | egotrippen | ok |
| 19:52:13 | egotrippen | i'll try getting it going |
| 19:52:18 | * | safetydan votes Paul_The_Nerd as official Rockbox first line tech support person |
| 19:52:39 | SuperSnout | can you delete the h300.hex file from the root after you've updated the firmware? |
| 19:52:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Absolutely. |
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| 19:52:53 | SuperSnout | great =) |
| 19:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Is there a nametag? |
| 19:53:31 | safetydan | No, but you'll have to file a TPS report every so often |
| 19:53:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'll pass then. |
| 19:53:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure you understand |
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| 19:53:58 | ts-x | Don't forget the coversheet... |
| 19:54:02 | SuperSnout | now for the moment of truth... |
| 19:54:18 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, seriously, great work here and on mr |
| 19:56:04 | egotrippen | before i get going on this again... Cygwin is the only way to build the SDL sim on an XP box, correct? |
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| 19:56:19 | safetydan | egotrippen, seems to be that way |
| 19:56:20 | SuperSnout | how come it just says "bootloader usb mode" when plug it into my computer? |
| 19:56:28 | egotrippen | alrighty |
| 19:56:30 | SuperSnout | shouldn't it start charging? |
| 19:56:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: It's the only *supported* way. If you were really determined, I'm sure you could do it with mingw or something else. |
| 19:57:02 | virtualball2 | ok i have another question on how to build rockbox, i got it to build 4 times yesterday and now it ain't working :P...tell me if i ask too much ?s lol, but i do the configure script, select iPod video, type in N for normal and it says it created the makefile, so i type make zip and it says theres no makefile...whats wrong? |
| 19:57:23 | egotrippen | er.... if Cygwin is the /easy/ way, i think i'll stick with taht |
| 19:57:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: If you don't want it to go into the USB mode, you have to hold something down when you plug USB in. (If you JUST want to charge, and not access files.) I'm not sure what the button is for H300 though. It's Menu on iPod, so maybe A-B? |
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| 19:57:54 | safetydan | SuperSnout, I'm not sure if Rockbox supports H300 charging yet |
| 19:58:00 | Bagder | virtualball2: type "make" first then "make zip" |
| 19:58:08 | virtualball2 | ok lemme try |
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| 19:58:18 | SuperSnout | i think i might have to have a read through the rockbox manual =) |
| 19:58:27 | SuperSnout | is it the same for all players? |
| 19:58:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, most of it is. |
| 19:58:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you'll find a lot of things missing. |
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| 20:00:05 | vinayak | rockbox rocks. what is the dev list called as ? |
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| 20:01:57 | virtualball2 | No, it still doesnt work, im in my empty folder called "build-dir" i run the config script, and theres no makefile :-\ |
| 20:02:06 | SuperSnout_ | i am so confused.. |
| 20:02:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wants a fancy title like "Community Liaison" for the forums. :-P |
| 20:02:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | virtualball2: So if you type ../tools/configure, you get the options, you select the ones you want. Then you type make, and nothing happens? |
| 20:02:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout_: What confuses you? |
| 20:02:52 | virtualball2 | Paul_The_Nerd, pretty much |
| 20:03:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pretty much, or exactly? |
| 20:03:15 | virtualball2 | exactly |
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| 20:03:20 | virtualball2 | it says "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 20:03:21 | SuperSnout_ | i just need some kind of beginner's guide to rockbox.. that just tells you how to do things.. |
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| 20:03:50 | safetydan | virtualball2, so your current directory is "build-dir" and you type ../tools/configure to configure things? |
| 20:03:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | virtualball2: What target did you pick? |
| 20:04:09 | virtualball2 | 15 |
| 20:04:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout_: Well, it's a file browser mainly. You just browse to a file or a playlist and click on it to play. |
| 20:04:14 | virtualball2 | (ipod video) |
| 20:04:24 | virtualball2 | safetydan, yes |
| 20:04:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | virtualball2: Have you tried deleting the build directory, doing a CVS update to make sure it's all new, and trying again from there? |
| 20:05:11 | virtualball2 | no |
| 20:05:17 | virtualball2 | so you suggest i do? |
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| 20:07:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, at the very least a cvs update would let you know if there's anything wrong with your configure script somehow. |
| 20:07:23 | virtualball2 | ok thanks |
| 20:08:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not really sure what would cause the makefile not to get created though. Especially if it worked for you before, like you said. |
| 20:08:04 | linuxstb | virtualball2: What does the configure script say when you've chosen the options? It should say something like: |
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| 20:08:06 | linuxstb | Normal build selected |
| 20:08:06 | linuxstb | Using arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 (400) |
| 20:08:06 | linuxstb | Created Makefile |
| 20:08:10 | skwad | virtualball2: for which player is it ? |
| 20:08:18 | virtualball2 | And im planning on making an applescript for iPod Video users to easily install rockbox on there iPods, should i his early in development? I mean i already have it to the part where it finds the mbr |
| 20:08:31 | virtualball2 | linuxstb: thats exactly hat it says |
| 20:08:39 | virtualball2 | skwad, iPod Video |
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| 20:09:30 | virtualball2 | *what |
| 20:10:15 | SuperSnout__ | how do you get into rockbox from the charging screen? |
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| 20:11:07 | SuperSnout__ | it just goes back to normal firmware when i press play.. |
| 20:11:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: Holde Menu and Select until it reboots. |
| 20:13:42 | SuperSnout__ | ok |
| 20:13:55 | linuxstb | virtualball2: And then what does "make" say? |
| 20:13:56 | SuperSnout__ | select? |
| 20:13:58 | SuperSnout__ | menu? |
| 20:14:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait |
| 20:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: Sorry, was in iPod mode. |
| 20:14:41 | virtualball2 | it says "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 20:14:54 | SuperSnout__ | heehee |
| 20:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: You should just turn it completely off, and when you turn it back on it'll load rockbox. |
| 20:15:04 | SuperSnout__ | =( |
| 20:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | What? |
| 20:15:14 | SuperSnout__ | ok then.. |
| 20:15:20 | SuperSnout__ | it's just a bit annoying.. |
| 20:15:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't that just holding Stop, or some other key until it powers down? |
| 20:15:31 | linuxstb | virtualball2: The configure script should create two files - "Makefile" and "autoconf.h" in the current directory. |
| 20:15:48 | linuxstb | Are they there? |
| 20:15:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, since it charges within iRiver's firmware for the moment, we can't do anything there. So you have to manually come back. Eventually you'll be able to charge and transfer from within rockbox, but some things just take time to get working completely. |
| 20:16:50 | SuperSnout__ | ok =) |
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| 20:18:15 | skwad | just one question, is it normal that with the simulator and x5 when I load a plugin, I can't get out of it, have to restart the simulator ? |
| 20:18:48 | SuperSnout__ | it all seems a bit slow.. |
| 20:18:52 | SuperSnout__ | and a bit laggy.. |
| 20:19:02 | safetydan | skwad, you should be able to press the sim equivalent of "stop" to exit a plugin |
| 20:19:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | skwad: It may be that you need to press more than one button at once to exit the plugin. It may vary from plugin to plugin. |
| 20:19:10 | safetydan | SuperSnout_, try turning on the dir cache |
| 20:19:43 | safetydan | General Settings -> System -> Disk -> Directory Cache |
| 20:20:00 | safetydan | You'll need to reboot after enabling it |
| 20:20:02 | linuxstb | skwad: No, that's not normal. Have a look in the plugin .c file to see what keys have been mapped to QUIT. |
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| 20:20:14 | SuperSnout__ | ok.. |
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| 20:20:42 | skwad | ok linuxstb |
| 20:20:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: The Dircache loads up a list of all the files, and keeps it updated, so it doesn't have to spin up the hard disk while browsing and such. |
| 20:21:22 | SuperSnout__ | ok.. sounds good =) |
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| 20:22:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: I've heard that the menus can be slightly unresponsive at times in the H300 version, though I believe that's related to the CPU still being a little bit overworked at the moment, and is also why the battery life isn't optimal yet. |
| 20:22:25 | skwad | linuxstb: i just looked, there is written start button |
| 20:22:47 | skwad | and on the bitmap of the x5 the start button corresponds to enter |
| 20:22:56 | linuxstb | Which plugin are you looking at? |
| 20:23:10 | skwad | should it be possible in the simulator to shutdown and start the x5 ? |
| 20:23:17 | skwad | i looked for mandelbrot |
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| 20:23:40 | skwad | because i tried enter everywhere in the simulator it never did something |
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| 20:24:14 | linuxstb | skwad: In mandelbrot, quit is mapped to "BUTTON_POWER" for the X5. |
| 20:24:19 | skwad | yes |
| 20:24:24 | safetydan | skwad, it should be enter on the numeric keypad |
| 20:24:43 | skwad | and button_power corresponds to enter on the x5 if I'm right |
| 20:24:47 | linuxstb | ... and BUTTON_POWER is the ENTER button. |
| 20:24:59 | linuxstb | Sorry, not ENTER, "plus" |
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| 20:25:14 | linuxstb | (from uisimulator/sdl/button.c) |
| 20:25:14 | skwad | plus is play / pause :S |
| 20:25:39 | linuxstb | In which case, that's a bug in the simulator - both power and play are mapped to plus.... |
| 20:25:56 | skwad | plus doesn't quit mandelbroth either |
| 20:26:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Isn't the Physical Play/Pause button called BUTTON_POWER on some targets? |
| 20:26:39 | SuperSnout__ | i don't like it =( |
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| 20:26:59 | linuxstb | Maybe - but the X5 has both PLAY and POWER (according to button.h) |
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| 20:27:07 | skwad | yes |
| 20:27:23 | skwad | x5 has a different play and power button |
| 20:27:24 | SuperSnout__ | the track names and things don't fit in the box when you're playing a song.. |
| 20:27:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: What box? What WPS are you using? |
| 20:28:17 | SuperSnout__ | wps? |
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| 20:29:30 | virtualball2 | for anyone that knows unix, what is the character i put inbetween commands to do 2 commands on the same line? (ex. cd Users:cd HI) |
| 20:29:42 | linuxstb | semi-colon - ; |
| 20:29:42 | Mikachu | ; |
| 20:29:55 | virtualball2 | ok thanks, i forgot :-P |
| 20:29:55 | Mikachu | or if you only want to run the second if the first succeeds, && |
| 20:30:00 | skwad | isnt it : && ? |
| 20:30:08 | skwad | ok lol |
| 20:30:18 | Mikachu | true && echo hi will output hi, but false && echo hi will not |
| 20:30:26 | SuperSnout__ | what's a wps? |
| 20:30:32 | Mikachu | and false && echo hi || echo foo will output foo :) |
| 20:30:36 | Mikachu | SuperSnout__: while playing screen |
| 20:30:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: While Playing Screen. Or Theme |
| 20:30:51 | SuperSnout__ | oh.. i don't know.. |
| 20:30:57 | Mikachu | you probably selected one that's not made for your player |
| 20:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: Well, what "box" are you talking about then? |
| 20:31:52 | skwad | linuxstb: isn't the button.c file divided in parts for each different player ? |
| 20:31:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout__: For the moment, I would suggest either using the Rockbox_default theme, or the Boxes 220x176c theme (or something named very similar to that, the numbers are the important bit) |
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| 20:32:12 | SuperSnout__ | yeah.. it was the wps box.. |
| 20:32:17 | linuxstb | skwad: This is only a bug in the simulator - you will need to fix it in uisimulator/sdl/button.c |
| 20:32:22 | SuperSnout__ | ok.. i'll try that theme..# |
| 20:32:31 | safetydan | SuperSnout__, you might want to look at http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36835 for a lot more information on the H300 and Rockbox |
| 20:33:17 | safetydan | hrmm... my first attempt at implementing EQ in the sim results in... horrible, horrible distortion... |
| 20:33:24 | SuperSnout__ | thanks =) |
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| 20:33:34 | SuperSnout__ | this is exciting |
| 20:33:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Are you using "optimized" presets? :-P |
| 20:33:40 | SuperSnout__ | it's like having a new player.. |
| 20:33:44 | linuxstb | safetydan: Yes, I think preglow said his C routine didn't work... |
| 20:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, he did say that. |
| 20:34:18 | safetydan | linuxstb, if he has a C routine it wasn't include in CVS |
| 20:34:36 | linuxstb | So there is only Coldfire and ARM implementations in CVS? |
| 20:34:39 | safetydan | yup |
| 20:34:49 | linuxstb | I guess that explains why there is no C routine then... |
| 20:35:18 | safetydan | I don't really know what I'm doing. I'm just trying to back port eq_cf.S in to C |
| 20:35:33 | skwad | linuxstb: i modified it, now I try it |
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| 20:35:52 | safetydan | Except I don't quite follow the mac.l instructions, they're out of my experience with m68k asm |
| 20:35:57 | egotrippen | just an update, re-installing seems to have solved my cygwin problem |
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| 20:38:54 | skwad | linuxstb: what's the difference between button on, button off, and button power ? |
| 20:38:57 | virtualball2 | yay im done with the program, its pretty messy though :-P, should i upload it to the wiki page? |
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| 20:43:18 | linuxstb | skwad: Some players have separate ON and OFF buttons. Look in firmware/export/button.h for the buttons the different players have. |
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| 20:44:51 | skwad | alright i'll take a look |
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| 20:46:34 | safetydan | another topic, if I'm in a read/write loop (i.e. copying a file) do I need to add a yield() every so often or will the kernel swap threads when I do io calls? |
| 20:48:22 | Bger | safetydan afaik io calls won't yield |
| 20:48:25 | skwad | BUTTON_PLAY : BUTTON_REC : BUTTON_POWER : BUTTON_UP : BUTTON_DOWN : BUTTON_SELECT |
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| 20:50:02 | egotrippen | is there a build error in the latest daily and bleeding H300 builds? |
| 20:50:30 | SuperSnout_____ | are all the themes that come with rockbox monochrome? |
| 20:50:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: Not according to the build table |
| 20:50:52 | egotrippen | hm |
| 20:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout_____: Other than the Boxes 220x176c one, pretty much. For some strange reason nobody ever bothers to actually submit theirs for inclusion. |
| 20:52:00 | SuperSnout_____ | another thing.. |
| 20:52:03 | egotrippen | after 'MAKE in bitmaps/native' i get errors |
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| 20:52:24 | SuperSnout_____ | you see the screen goes off after a couple of seconds of inactivity.. |
| 20:52:46 | safetydan | egotrippen, try a make clean first |
| 20:52:58 | egotrippen | ok |
| 20:53:19 | egotrippen | make clean, then ..tools/configure? |
| 20:53:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout_____: Is that your whole statement? I mean, there's no question there... |
| 20:53:27 | safetydan | egotrippen, no just make |
| 20:53:31 | egotrippen | ok |
| 20:54:31 | egotrippen | no, same thing. i'm on the bleeding though, lemme try the daily again |
| 20:54:37 | egotrippen | it says make[3]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 20:54:43 | egotrippen | after MAKE in bitmaps/native |
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| 20:57:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: So, what was your question? |
| 20:57:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: Wait, you downloaded the source .zip, or are you using CVS? |
| 20:58:18 | SuperSnout | SuperSnout_____you see the screen goes off after a couple of seconds of inactivity.. |
| 20:58:22 | egotrippen | source .zip, i think |
| 20:58:26 | egotrippen | from the daily build page |
| 20:58:31 | SuperSnout | when you press a button it doesn't just switch the screen back on it also does what the button does.. which is annoying |
| 20:58:37 | SuperSnout | is there any way to change this? |
| 20:58:59 | egotrippen | a clean daily build worked past that point, it might be the bleeding edge |
| 20:59:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: It's more likely that you should just use CVS |
| 20:59:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Not without patching, I believe. Generally you press a button to actually DO something. Though I think the record button doesn't do anything on the WPS screen, but I might be wrong. |
| 20:59:58 | SuperSnout | i'm starting to love rockbox.. it's so exciting.. |
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| 21:00:08 | egotrippen | there are instructions for the daily CVS, not bleeding edge (which is what i want, there's a screenbuffer update) |
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| 21:00:27 | SuperSnout | but isn't that a bit silly when you can't actually see what you're doing? |
| 21:00:45 | SuperSnout | is there a button that JUST reactivates the screen? |
| 21:00:52 | skwad | linuxstb: didn't made it to work, I'm a little too noob and should take some more time :-) , so now I will stop asking and going to look a film, thanks for all |
| 21:00:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: As I said, I think Record does. |
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| 21:01:14 | egotrippen | s'right, record |
| 21:01:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: But I mean, if you're playing music, wouldn't the first button you press be the start of whatever you're doing anyway? |
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| 21:01:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: And if you're in the middle of something, and take a few seconds too long to make a decision, do you really want to have to make two button presses, just to do what would've taken on? |
| 21:01:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | one? |
| 21:01:55 | skwad-away | he isn't here ^^ |
| 21:02:08 | skwad-away | oops he is here ^^ |
| 21:02:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: CVS updating is always bleeding edge, unless you tell it to download something other. Where do you see instructions that say they're just the daily? |
| 21:02:25 | SuperSnout | possibly. |
| 21:02:43 | SuperSnout | true |
| 21:03:10 | SuperSnout | ok.. record is the magic button.. |
| 21:03:12 | SuperSnout | thanks =) |
| 21:03:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Most mp3 players I've tried start what you're doing immediately, in fact. The h300 is the only one I personally know of that actually makes you wait, but that's just me. But, try the record button. Or flipping the hold switch. |
| 21:04:08 | egotrippen | it doesn't really say one way or the other. i was guessing it went by daily |
| 21:04:11 | egotrippen | cool then |
| 21:04:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: No, CVS is where the code is actually stored. So, when it starts *making* the next bleeding edge, you can update and make it for your MP3 player before the bleeding edge is even ready. |
| 21:04:43 | SuperSnout | yeah.. record works great |
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| 21:04:59 | SuperSnout | WOW!! |
| 21:05:06 | SuperSnout | is there really a clock!? |
| 21:05:13 | egotrippen | haha |
| 21:05:30 | egotrippen | SuperSnout: there is, but loading into iriver FW screws it up |
| 21:06:01 | egotrippen | that includes charging by AC through iriver |
| 21:06:28 | SuperSnout | that's such a shame =( |
| 21:06:31 | pyro | egotrippen: happen to know why that is? |
| 21:06:36 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 21:06:39 | SuperSnout | so it screws up the time? |
| 21:06:58 | egotrippen | the iriver uses a weird timebase, or something |
| 21:07:01 | egotrippen | time baseline |
| 21:07:07 | safetydan | pyro, rockbox and the iRiver firmware store the time in different formats so when one loads it stuffs the other one up |
| 21:07:19 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 21:07:39 | pyro | I saw the other day the time is set on a register on a chip PCF50606. Theres a hour/min/sec section of the register |
| 21:07:44 | egotrippen | once you can charge through Rockbox correctly, it won't matter |
| 21:07:59 | safetydan | SuperSnout, have you tried bejewelled and brickmania? They're almost enough to convince me to buy an MP3 player with a colour screen |
| 21:08:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Which player do you have again? |
| 21:09:03 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, a h120 |
| 21:09:26 | safetydan | Hence why the EQ UI fits so nicely on the H120 screen :) |
| 21:09:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Ah. I have an iHP-120 as well. And a Nano. You should get a Nano as well, just so you can join the cool kids. :-P |
| 21:10:40 | egotrippen | ah, yet another problem |
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| 21:10:54 | SuperSnout | how do you get to the games? |
| 21:10:56 | safetydan | not sure I can justify another mp3 player to the wife though :) |
| 21:10:59 | egotrippen | after ' cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login,' it says to press enter at the password |
| 21:11:08 | egotrippen | after ' cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login,' it says to press enter at the password |
| 21:11:11 | linuxstb | pyro: Rockbox interprets "00" in the pcf50606's two-digit year register as the year 2000, and the iriver firmware interprets it as something silly like 1965. |
| 21:11:14 | egotrippen | but it fails to login |
| 21:11:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: that's okay |
| 21:11:22 | safetydan | SuperSnout, Menu -> Browse Plugins |
| 21:11:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: Just try the next step |
| 21:11:29 | egotrippen | i did |
| 21:11:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | What happened on that one? the one that ends with co rockbox? |
| 21:12:05 | egotrippen | it gave an authentication error, said 'try cvs login' with a real password |
| 21:12:07 | SuperSnout | OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:12:17 | SuperSnout | sorry.. i'm getting to excited.. |
| 21:12:24 | SuperSnout | bejewelled is amazing!! |
| 21:12:25 | SuperSnout | wow.. |
| 21:12:36 | SuperSnout | this is so exciting =D |
| 21:12:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: This was after you hit enter and got back to the prompt, after the cvs login line? |
| 21:12:59 | egotrippen | yup, after the line ending in 'co' |
| 21:13:07 | egotrippen | 'co rockbox' |
| 21:13:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, |
| 21:13:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | You do the one that ends in login, hit enter to get back to the bash prompt, then do the one that ends in co rockbox |
| 21:13:27 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 21:13:36 | SuperSnout | the auto screen off is really annoying while playing a game though. |
| 21:13:51 | SuperSnout | is there any way to stop it doing it while playing a game? |
| 21:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Only if you stop it overall, in the Display settings |
| 21:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: It just worked for me. |
| 21:15:12 | egotrippen | hm |
| 21:15:15 | egotrippen | maybe i typed something wrong |
| 21:15:17 | egotrippen | trying again.... |
| 21:15:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: I typed that line, it asked for the password, I hit enter, I typed the other one, and it started downloading files |
| 21:15:39 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 21:15:51 | egotrippen | i just typed the first line again and got a different readout than i did the first time |
| 21:15:55 | egotrippen | ::shrug:: |
| 21:16:03 | SuperSnout | the plugins are so amazing.. |
| 21:16:18 | safetydan | Guys, do we tell SuperSnout that there's a Doom port for Rockbox as well? |
| 21:16:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think we should keep Doom a secret. |
| 21:16:32 | safetydan | Okay. |
| 21:16:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hear that Supersnout: You don't know anything about Doom. Never heard us mention it. |
| 21:17:08 | egotrippen | yup, it's going |
| 21:17:15 | egotrippen | i must have typed something wrong... i guess |
| 21:17:27 | safetydan | Still waiting for someone to make Doom work with the grayscale library. Blurry grey fun on my H120! |
| 21:17:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: That's pretty easy with a line like that. |
| 21:17:33 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 21:17:39 | SuperSnout | nope.. didn't hear a thing.. |
| 21:17:41 | egotrippen | be nice if cygwin supported copy/pasting |
| 21:17:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Yeah, I know. I want to see that to. |
| 21:17:47 | SuperSnout | haha.. nice one dan |
| 21:17:56 | SuperSnout | this is amazing.. |
| 21:18:09 | SuperSnout | i'm going to have to run about and tell everyone in my house now.. |
| 21:18:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | SuperSnout: Doom's been done in 2-bit color on iPods. I bet 33 shades of gray looks a lot better 'n that. |
| 21:18:16 | safetydan | SuperSnout, http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36364 anyway |
| 21:18:18 | virtualball2 | safetydan, i had Doom on my iPod B&w 4g, blurry gray fun isnt as fun as you think it would be :-D |
| 21:18:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:18:22 | egotrippen | hey, might as well ask this while i'm here |
| 21:18:30 | SuperSnout | thanks =) |
| 21:18:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | virtualball2: We get more grays than they do. |
| 21:18:42 | SuperSnout | is there any way to delete files? |
| 21:18:42 | virtualball2 | true |
| 21:18:43 | egotrippen | i've got a tiny little patch that continues to hide .rockbox but will show folders with two dots |
| 21:18:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, our iPods don't yet. |
| 21:18:54 | egotrippen | like albums that start with elipses |
| 21:19:00 | egotrippen | like albums that start with elipses |
| 21:19:20 | egotrippen | could that be committed, if i can get patch to work right? |
| 21:19:30 | safetydan | SuperSnout, hilight the file and hold Navi, then select Delete |
| 21:19:40 | egotrippen | (i do it manually, but now i have cygwin anyway i should be able to make a real patchfile) |
| 21:19:42 | safetydan | (hold Navi for a second or two I mean) |
| 21:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | egotrippen: I dunno. It'd really depend on whether it was decided that's desired behaviour. |
| 21:20:02 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 21:20:06 | safetydan | egotrippen, you have to be careful of the special filenames . and .. as well |
| 21:20:28 | egotrippen | it just makes sense to me, i have a couple albums that start with ... |
| 21:20:40 | egotrippen | but, yeah, i gues you're right. who would i ask? |
| 21:20:43 | safetydan | but post it on the bug tracker when you're happy with it |
| 21:20:49 | egotrippen | ok |
| 21:20:58 | linuxstb | ...And You WIll Know Us By The Trail Of The Dead ? |
| 21:21:05 | egotrippen | nah |
| 21:21:16 | egotrippen | Awesome Machine, '...It's Ugly or Nothing' |
| 21:21:22 | egotrippen | maybe one or two others |
| 21:21:41 | virtualball2 | if theres one thing i hate about the iPod video is that if you want a nice video to be shown on your TV, you need quicktime, ive been converting one episode of FG for over 5 hrs and its half done! lol |
| 21:22:05 | linuxstb | You don't need quicktime. I've used ffmpeg under Linux to encode videos. |
| 21:22:16 | ender` | mencoder works great |
| 21:22:25 | virtualball2 | i know but it will look blurry on the TV |
| 21:22:27 | linuxstb | But video conversion is a slow process anyway. |
| 21:22:50 | virtualball2 | AND NOW I FIND OUT THE EP. WAS RIPPED WITHOU SOUND! |
| 21:22:54 | virtualball2 | GAHHH |
| 21:23:00 | egotrippen | hahaha |
| 21:23:17 | egotrippen | that's a pain that the ipod can only output QT |
| 21:23:36 | egotrippen | if it can play divx or whatever, why can't it output those to a tv? |
| 21:23:48 | linuxstb | egotrippen: I can't think of a reason against your patch - upload it to the patch tracker, and then try and start a discussion here when more devs are around. |
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| 21:24:09 | SuperSnout | MANDELBROT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:24:16 | virtualball2 | egotrippen, it only plays .mp4, .mv4, and once i got it to play .mov |
| 21:24:29 | linuxstb | SuperSnout: I think we already know everything Rockbox can do.... |
| 21:24:36 | egotrippen | linuxstb: cool. i will once i get a working patch file. i've fiddled with 'diff' and 'patch' for windows but couldn't get them working right |
| 21:24:36 | SuperSnout | sorry =) |
| 21:24:42 | linuxstb | :) |
| 21:24:45 | JdGordon | rb can do _anything_ ! |
| 21:24:52 | SuperSnout | it really can |
| 21:24:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 7 channel CTCP requests in 11 minutes and 25 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:24:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks someone should hurry up and check the Color Fire Plugin for commit-worthiness. |
| 21:25:08 | SuperSnout | i can't believe i only discovered it now |
| 21:25:16 | egotrippen | linuxstb: i'll try again with cygwin, now that i have that set up |
| 21:25:19 | virtualball2 | whats the fire plugin |
| 21:25:21 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Have you tested it? |
| 21:25:25 | SuperSnout | and you have all the people who are still using the iriver firmware =) |
| 21:26:03 | egotrippen | virtualball2: ah. i thought i remembered seeing another MPEG-4 codec too |
| 21:26:10 | egotrippen | divx or xvid or something |
| 21:26:14 | virtualball2 | not that i know of |
| 21:26:15 | linuxstb | virtualball2: It's similar to the plasma plugin. |
| 21:26:21 | egotrippen | yeah, i'm sure you're right |
| 21:26:28 | virtualball2 | is the plasma and fire plugin for iPod? |
| 21:26:53 | safetydan | virtualball2, they're available on all Rockbox supported targets I think |
| 21:27:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Actually, I haven't. I kinda assumed it'd be included pretty quick unless it had problems. I'll go 'n try it out. |
| 21:27:07 | linuxstb | plasma is, but fire isn't yet. It needs adapting for colour LCDs (there is a patch on the patch tracker though). |
| 21:28:06 | hideo | why is there a daily build for ipod 3g and no bleeding edge build for it? |
| 21:28:33 | safetydan | hrmm.. the current fire colour patch doesn't compile |
| 21:28:33 | SuperSnout | i'm trying to delete something and it isn't working =( |
| 21:28:56 | virtualball2 | YES i got doom to build...finnaly :-D |
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| 21:29:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: :( |
| 21:29:39 | virtualball2 | so how would i upload my program to the wiki? |
| 21:29:41 | SuperSnout | any ideas why? |
| 21:29:42 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, just a matter of some missing button mappings |
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| 21:30:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah, so a quick fix. |
| 21:30:18 | safetydan | so far so good |
| 21:30:22 | safetydan | compiles in the sim |
| 21:30:27 | safetydan | but I have no colour target to test it on |
| 21:30:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I'm in the middle of compiling so far, but of course it'll cough up when it gets to the missing keymappings |
| 21:31:10 | safetydan | yup |
| 21:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: What was missing? I see defines for a 4G_PAD in mine. |
| 21:31:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: As a note, my compile times are hideous 'cuz I'm on a slow laptop and using cygwin. |
| 21:32:16 | linuxstb | safetydan: That lookup table needs fixing before it can be committed... |
| 21:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: It build fine for me, for iPod Nano |
| 21:33:07 | linuxstb | H300... |
| 21:33:22 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, h300 and x5 |
| 21:33:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 21:33:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I need to break this assumption that if something was made in color, it was done by h300 people. Heh. |
| 21:34:14 | virtualball2 | hmm, it says i have n base wads, i made a folder called doom in my home directory and put doom1.wad in there, is that right? |
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| 21:34:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | virtualball2: /games/doom/ |
| 21:34:40 | virtualball2 | oh ok thanks |
| 21:35:03 | virtualball2 | i feel really stupid when it comes to rockbox :-\ |
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| 21:35:18 | safetydan | linuxstb, what's wrong with the look up table? Apart from lacking const? |
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| 21:36:14 | * | Paul_The_Nerd forgot to change his sources file. |
| 21:37:06 | linuxstb | It's used as follow: colorpallette[(255-z)*3+0] - so I think the order of the elements is wrong. |
| 21:37:15 | linuxstb | The patch comment mentions it as well. |
| 21:37:19 | safetydan | ah yeah, just reread the patch comment |
| 21:38:31 | safetydan | This is what stops things getting committed sometimes. Just missing that final bit of polish. |
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| 21:39:58 | linuxstb | safetydan: And I'm not sure why it's using xlcd_color_bitmap - it should render things directly into lcd_framebuffer[]. |
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| 21:41:57 | virtualball2 | Im sorry, but now with Doom, RockBox Rock(Box)s My World! (Or at least my iPod) :-D |
| 21:42:39 | hideo | does it rock your battery also? |
| 21:43:10 | virtualball2 | yes :( lol |
| 21:44:19 | hideo | a tradeoff |
| 21:46:31 | virtualball2 | too bad you cant access the menu with in the game though |
| 21:46:37 | Mikachu | linuxstb: yeah well, when i made the plasma thing someone said to use xlcd, so i just copied that for fire |
| 21:46:59 | linuxstb | Did you notice that amiconn changed that after your patch was committed...? |
| 21:47:01 | egotrippen | dotfile patch is up |
| 21:47:01 | egotrippen | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4737 |
| 21:47:04 | Mikachu | yes |
| 21:47:14 | Mikachu | i also mentioned that in the patch tracker i think |
| 21:47:15 | egotrippen | working with CVS is 200x easier than trying to patch under win32 |
| 21:48:25 | virtualball2 | i think CVS is easier then SVN |
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| 21:57:23 | infamis | quick q: I'm running 2.2 linxu kernel...what should I upgrade to? |
| 21:57:37 | Mikachu | uh, wow |
| 21:57:46 | Mikachu | 2.6.15 i guess? |
| 21:57:59 | petur | W2K ... lol |
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| 22:00:02 | petur | in fact, with the ability to play music, play doom and write text (rockword), you could install rockbox on your pc... :) |
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| 22:00:25 | JdGordon | how well does rockword work? |
| 22:00:51 | petur | no idea if they're even updated to the lates plugin api - I fear not |
| 22:01:02 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 22:01:45 | infamis | Mikachu: 2.6.15 is stable? My last kernel compile was more than 5 years ago. |
| 22:04:22 | petur | Paprica: can you convince Eli to submit tetrox for cvs inclusion? |
| 22:04:35 | Mikachu | infamis: works fine here |
| 22:04:43 | Mikachu | infamis: and probably has less security holes than a 5 year old kernel.. |
| 22:04:56 | virtualball2 | A new tetris? the RockBlox sucks lol |
| 22:04:59 | Paprica | petur, he is in the army |
| 22:05:05 | Paprica | but you can add it to the cvs |
| 22:05:05 | infamis | ...cool; 2.6.15 it is |
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| 22:10:47 | virtualball2 | can Plasma give you sesures? haha |
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| 22:14:12 | CuBie | hmm is doom on rockbox for the ipod video devices? |
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| 22:18:48 | Bger | nite |
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| 22:20:48 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I've noticed you've changed some of the grayscale-related parts of fire.c - was that intentional? |
| 22:21:11 | linuxstb | I've now reorganised the colorpalette lookup table (so it now stores 16-bit packed rgb565 values) and changed it to render directly into the lcd framebuffer. So it's a lot faster. |
| 22:21:20 | Mikachu | ah, clever |
| 22:21:28 | Mikachu | i don't remember |
| 22:21:31 | Mikachu | i have a bit of a cold |
| 22:22:14 | linuxstb | It's mainly one line in the grayscale-only part of the code which you've changed from " end = dest + 8*LCD_WIDTH; |
| 22:22:15 | linuxstb | " to "end = dest + 3*8*LCD_WIDTH; |
| 22:22:15 | linuxstb | " - I'm assuming that's a mistake. |
| 22:22:35 | Mikachu | sounds like it |
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| 22:23:23 | linuxstb | OK, I'm about to commit it now then. |
| 22:26:25 | linuxstb | Color fire.c now committed to cvs. |
| 22:27:11 | JdGordon | some1 wanna try port vi to rb :D |
| 22:27:18 | Mikachu | heh |
| 22:27:21 | Mikachu | <<<<<<< SOURCES |
| 22:27:21 | Mikachu | gui/colour_picker.c |
| 22:27:21 | Mikachu | ======= |
| 22:27:21 | Mikachu | gui/color_picker.c |
| 22:27:40 | linuxstb | rm SOURCES ; cvs update |
| 22:27:42 | * | JdGordon thought we'd seen the last of that basterd file! |
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| 22:27:59 | Mikachu | i just thought the name change was funny |
| 22:28:34 | SuperSnout | i'm having a problem with rockbox on the h300 |
| 22:28:46 | SuperSnout | when i try and delete something it doesn't work.. |
| 22:28:54 | JdGordon | press navi not play |
| 22:29:49 | SuperSnout | what.. even though it says to press play? |
| 22:30:40 | JdGordon | yes, bat string... very known and annoying problem |
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| 22:30:49 | JdGordon | anywho.. im off, first day back at uni :'( |
| 22:30:51 | JdGordon | yaz |
| 22:31:25 | SuperSnout_ | why not change it? |
| 22:31:36 | SuperSnout_ | and how do you register your name? |
| 22:31:43 | SuperSnout_ | (in irc) |
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| 22:33:24 | SuperSnout_ | and also.. with rock doom.. |
| 22:33:33 | SuperSnout_ | what are you supposed to do with the wad files? |
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| 22:34:01 | virtualball2 | put it in /games/doom/ lol |
| 22:34:10 | virtualball2 | i had the same question an hour ago |
| 22:34:44 | SuperSnout_ | sorry =) |
| 22:35:19 | SuperSnout_ | can you delete the doom.iriver and the doom.rock files once you've run them? |
| 22:35:32 | SuperSnout_ | or is the doom.rock file the actual file you use to run it? |
| 22:38:48 | virtualball2 | it is |
| 22:39:14 | SuperSnout_ | ok.. but you can delete the doom.iriver file right? |
| 22:39:34 | virtualball2 | dunno i have a doom.iPod |
| 22:39:53 | virtualball2 | and i would say no cuz you edited the plugin files |
| 22:41:17 | SuperSnout_ | you'd say you can't delete it? |
| 22:42:05 | CuBie | is there a nice guide/faq about creating plugins? |
| 22:42:17 | virtualball2 | cuz if you edted the plugin.c and plugin.h, wouldnt that be affected in the doom.iriver |
| 22:42:36 | virtualball2 | plus your supposed to put it in the doom folder so you can boot it seprately |
| 22:42:43 | CuBie | virtualball2: Where did u get doom.iPod ? |
| 22:43:56 | virtualball2 | i made it |
| 22:45:59 | infamis | does sound work in the sim for anyone? |
| 22:46:28 | virtualball2 | for doom? |
| 22:47:01 | infamis | just rb in general |
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| 22:52:02 | ashridah | infamis: it's on the buggy side for some people |
| 22:53:18 | infamis | what is some people? cygwin people? |
| 22:54:07 | ashridah | don't know, to be honest. all i know is that it's worked for some, and not worked for others, and i'm not sure if the people it doesn't work for is confined to cygwin or not |
| 22:55:22 | infamis | ah ok. it's just the sim is all I've got :) |
| 22:55:38 | infamis | ...as my reference what rockbox "is" |
| 22:56:00 | ashridah | well. the answer is, it should work, so figuring out why probably wouldn't be a bad thing |
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| 22:56:05 | ashridah | no-one seems to get around to it |
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| 22:58:09 | ssnajper | did anybody test the ipod 3g audio yet? |
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| 23:00:32 | SuperSnout_ | i have rockdoom! =) |
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| 23:01:55 | SuperSnout_ | why would it say rename failed.. when i try to rename a file? |
| 23:02:05 | SuperSnout_ | *a folder |
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| 23:05:53 | muesli- | jkl |
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| 23:07:38 | sw13 | I'll just wait for an installer >.< |
| 23:12:56 | t0mas | Bagder? |
| 23:13:02 | t0mas | I sense some trouble on the buildserver... |
| 23:13:10 | t0mas | the regular builds keep taking longer and longer... |
| 23:13:23 | t0mas | (the time calculation is a simple form of moving average iirc?) |
| 23:13:34 | t0mas | it's at 58 minutes now |
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| 23:15:45 | SuperSnout_ | is there a reason why i might not be able to delete a folder? |
| 23:16:08 | midkay | playing music from it? |
| 23:16:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: Just a hint: You don't need to #ifdef the #include "gray.h" within plugins. gray.h itself is ifdefed |
| 23:17:55 | amiconn | Same goes for playergfx.h |
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| 23:19:03 | SuperSnout_ | no |
| 23:19:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is playback on 3g working now? |
| 23:19:23 | SuperSnout_ | actually.. sorry.. i was trying to rename it |
| 23:19:29 | midkay | amiconn, the x-lcd library.. is that for just 'additional graphics functions'? |
| 23:19:29 | skwad-away | SuperSnout_: just do Ctrl + alt + suppr |
| 23:19:30 | SuperSnout_ | and it said rename failed |
| 23:19:40 | amiconn | midkay: yes |
| 23:19:42 | SuperSnout_ | huh? |
| 23:19:46 | skwad-away | then you stop explorer.exe |
| 23:19:52 | skwad-away | you start a cmd |
| 23:19:58 | skwad-away | you delete it |
| 23:20:03 | midkay | amiconn, hmm.. cool ;) thx |
| 23:20:05 | skwad-away | and you start explorer.exe again |
| 23:20:10 | skwad-away | if you are on windows :D |
| 23:20:30 | SuperSnout_ | ahh.. sorry.. i'm talking about a folder on my h300 =D |
| 23:20:34 | SuperSnout_ | rockbox.. |
| 23:20:35 | skwad-away | :D |
| 23:20:55 | skwad-away | yes but do you want to delete it with your computer , |
| 23:20:58 | skwad-away | ? |
| 23:21:00 | SuperSnout_ | no |
| 23:21:03 | skwad-away | or in rockbox |
| 23:21:09 | skwad-away | then I don't know |
| 23:21:11 | SuperSnout_ | i want to rename it in rockbox |
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| 23:21:41 | amiconn | Anyone knowing where I could borrow a 4g greyscale iPod? I don't want to have one permanently, but porting the grayscale lib would be a nice challenge... |
| 23:21:53 | sw13 | rofl |
| 23:21:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, playback doesn't work yet. |
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| 23:24:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know whether the 1g/2g/3g/4g gray LCD is exactly the same? (i.e. same LCD controller?) |
| 23:26:07 | amiconn | Ah, Renesas HD66753 according to ipl |
| 23:26:49 | SuperSnout_ | can someone help me? |
| 23:26:52 | coob | thats 1-3g |
| 23:26:58 | coob | might not be so for 4g |
| 23:27:07 | SuperSnout_ | i'm trying to rename a folder in my root directory but it says rename failed.. |
| 23:27:55 | coob | also, 1g's have very different lcds |
| 23:28:00 | coob | 1-2gs |
| 23:28:04 | coob | they update much better |
| 23:28:09 | coob | (less bluring) |
| 23:28:23 | coob | cheaper lcds in the 3/4gs |
| 23:28:44 | amiconn | coob: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations says HD66753 for 4g as well |
| 23:29:06 | coob | ah maybe then. |
| 23:29:17 | coob | check who added that :) |
| 23:29:33 | amiconn | The update speed of the panel is less interesting for me. The controller determines the refresh rate |
| 23:29:59 | SuperSnout_ | what is the dict plugin? |
| 23:30:29 | amiconn | The H1x0 LCD is also extremely slow updating (same depth and resolution as the gs iPods) |
| 23:30:51 | amiconn | Different controller though, epson (compatible?) |
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| 23:38:57 | coob | it means that nay that's fast motion (games/video) sucks |
| 23:45:17 | infamis | when/where does bmp2rb get executed? |
| 23:48:08 | infamis | and is there an easy way to rename *.bmp.c to *.c using a "for in in `ls`"? |
| 23:48:21 | amiconn | coob: Yes, but otoh it helps to make the grayscale lib really smooth |
| 23:48:27 | infamis | for i in `ls` |
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| 23:50:03 | Bagder | infamis: just sed-ify the name and then rename it with mv |
| 23:51:17 | coob | really smooth as in just a blur of grey? :) |
| 23:51:52 | amiconn | Really smooth as in you can actually use it for watching jpegs |
| 23:53:07 | amiconn | On archos the pixels are flickering a bit |
| 23:53:24 | amiconn | Not too bad either, but on H1x0 it looks better |
| 23:56:51 | infamis | Bagder: I always get a unexpected token on sed to remove "bmp.": for i in `ls *.bmp.c`; do sed s/(.+\.)bmp\.(c)/$1$2/r; done |
| 23:57:21 | * | amiconn is tired |
| 23:57:23 | amiconn | night all |
| 23:57:28 | midkay | night |
| 23:57:28 | Bagder | infamis: yes, that line doesn't make sense |
| 23:57:38 | Mikachu | you can use the rename command |
| 23:58:01 | Mikachu | rename .bmp.c .c *.bmp.c |
| 23:58:58 | skwad | grrrrrrrr I dont have this power button working on x5 |
| 23:58:59 | infamis | Mikachu, that worked well; but what was wrong with my sed command |
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