#rockbox 2006-02-27

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#rockbox log for 2006-02-27

00:00:04	Mikachu	if you use zsh you can also do 'zmv -W .bmp.c .c'
00:00:21	Bagder	infamis: newname=`echo $old \| sed 's/bmp.c/.c/'`
00:00:30	Bagder	mv $old $newname
00:00:58	Mikachu	or you can just do {mv $a ${a%bmp.c}.c}
00:01:10	Mikachu	that was not exactly right but you get the ida
00:01:21	Bagder	that too isn't sh
00:01:35	Mikachu	heh, wrote the {} out of habit
00:01:40	Mikachu	but the thing within should work in bash too
00:01:45	*	Bagder is portable by habit ;-)
00:01:49	linuxstb_	infamis: Have you got bmp files you want to use in Rockbox?
00:01:59	Bagder	Mikachu: bash, yes, sh no
00:02:19	Mikachu	well, i think when you write a command locally, you can stretch the limits a bit
00:02:25	Bagder	indeed
00:02:35	Bagder	I'm just grumpy
00:03:34	Mikachu	so i have no idea what this command did
00:03:37	Mikachu	for b (*) {mkdir $TJO/$b:r; for a (`grep mnt/ipod $b`) {echo $a $b; cp $a $TJO/$b:r}; cp $b $TJO }
00:05:04	infamis	linuxstb_: no I'm just trying to bmp2rb the normal apps/plugins/bitmaps/native bitmaps
00:05:16	infamis	since make won't do it for me
00:05:49	skwad	night all
00:06:03	midkay	night skwad
00:06:14	infamis	so I did it by hand but had .bmp.c cause I had: for i in `ls *.bmp`; do bmp2rb $i > $i.c; done
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00:07:07	linuxstb_	Which bitmaps is make failing to convert? Does it convert any?
00:09:12	infamis	the only file that exists in x5-sim-build/apps/plugins/native is bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.c & it has the text "can't read file" or somethinf that nature (and then there's dep-bitmaps-native)
00:09:36	infamis	which breaks make
00:10:28	linuxstb_	That's because the sim is broken for the x5
00:11:32	infamis	what's broke about it?
00:11:45	infamis	dan stelberg seems to think the sim works based on the forum threads in x5
00:12:13	linuxstb_	The sudoku bitmaps are missing, which cause compilation to fail.
00:12:18	Bagder	no
00:12:20	Bagder	it doesn'
00:12:23	Bagder	t fail on linux
00:12:28	Bagder	only on cygwin
00:12:31	linuxstb_	I know.....
00:12:47	Bagder	but yes, it is that broken
00:13:03	Bagder	infamis: I can build and run it fine
00:13:06	*	petur wonders why http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2970 wasn't closed by linus
00:13:12	Bagder	it just doesn't work for all parts
00:13:23	infamis	hmm...damn cygwin
00:13:52	Bagder	so, you need to fix the badness first
00:14:03	Bagder	or just edit them out from the SOURCES
00:14:21	infamis	what's the badness?
00:15:26	Bagder	your build shoudl tell you
00:15:53	Bagder	there's a lack of BMP files
00:16:13	Bagder	or if you want, the plugins shouldn't be built until there are such files
00:18:27	infamis	the bmp files in exist apps/plugins/bitmaps/native but bmp2rb doesn't make them
00:18:34	infamis	"error can't read image"
00:18:50	infamis	out of the 71 it fails on 6 bmps
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00:20:00	Bagder	then use make V=1
00:20:05	Bagder	to see the full command lines
00:20:11	Bagder	then figure out why they fail
00:20:13	Bagder	and adjust
00:22:28	Bagder	I think I'll adjust my ld to fail for this and possible fix these
00:22:48	infamis	making now...cygwin is slow
00:23:12	Bagder	S L O W
00:25:02	Paul_The_Nerd	Y'know, with the sources file, if you just changed all the defines for H120 (width == 160, height ==120, depth ==2) to depth >=2, wouldn't that fix the missing BMP issue for now?
00:26:32	Paul_The_Nerd	Is there a define for X5?
00:27:59	infamis	almost thought it was gonna work (doing the bmp2rbs by hand); til ld failed with undefined refs
00:28:10	infamis	on bejeweled.c
00:29:15	Paul_The_Nerd	infamis: Did you try just updating the sources file?
00:29:34	infamis	I wouldn't know which ones to update!
00:29:40	infamis	or how to!
00:30:10	Paul_The_Nerd	Well, let me see if it works first.
00:30:57	infamis	ok
00:31:50	Paul_The_Nerd	I've got a few other plugins lying around that definitely won't run on X5, and I don't feel like fixing the keymappings for them, so I have to rearrange things so they don't build either.
00:32:32	infamis	what makes them not run on the x5? or it's yet to be determined?
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00:34:10	Paul_The_Nerd	Oh, well, they're just ones like Bubbles, Blackjack, and the dice roller, that aren't even in CVS.
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00:35:32	*	Paul_The_Nerd mutters.
00:35:38	Paul_The_Nerd	I typed => rather than >=
00:36:09	infamis	lol
00:37:20	Paul_The_Nerd	In /bitmaps/native there's a file called sources. If my theory is correct, there's a few lines that look like this: #elif (LCD_WIDTH == 160) && (LCD_HEIGHT == 128) && (LCD_DEPTH == 2) that should simply have (LCD_DEPTH >=2) instead, as a hack to let the x5sim build. At least until color bitmaps are put in for them.
00:37:59	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, with that one change, I got the x5sim to install. Well, two actually, since there's two lines that need to be modified.
00:38:06	Paul_The_Nerd	But one of them was for blackjack.
00:38:09	Paul_The_Nerd	Which you don't have.
00:38:29	Paul_The_Nerd	infamis: Okay, use that and it'll work.
00:38:52	infamis	cool I'll try it out
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00:41:15	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, that definitely works. Just loaded up sudoku even.
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00:41:57	Bagder	ok, I committed that fix
00:41:58	Paul_The_Nerd	Bagder: There's just one line in the apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/sources file that needs to be changed to let x5 sim build on cygwin.
00:42:04	Paul_The_Nerd	Man
00:42:06	Bagder	:-)
00:42:11	Paul_The_Nerd	Too fast for me.
00:42:27	Bagder	thanks
00:42:50	nave7693	hi as of one hour ago the CVS source is not displaying japanese characters correctly on archos
00:44:21	Bagder	you mean you cvs updated an hour ago?
00:44:54	t0mas	or have you checked both builds?
00:46:05	YouCeyE	hi.. how do i use equalizer with rockbox?
00:46:12	nave7693	yes Bad
00:46:19	nave7693	Bagder*
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00:46:34	Bagder	nave7693: and when did it last work?
00:46:50	mirak	I recorded a show friday and saturday
00:46:53	nave7693	Bagder: one day ago.
00:46:59	aegray	linuxstb_: ping
00:47:06	mirak	the input equaliser really allow to have a nice sound
00:47:15	mirak	on the H300, even with external mic
00:47:35	Paul_The_Nerd	YouCeyE: Go into the menu, and go to Sound Settings, and it's in there.
00:47:36	petur	input equaliser?
00:47:43	mirak	I can record longer in wav than with a compressed mp3 and quality is better
00:47:57	mirak	petur: well the gain and volume indicator
00:48:10	petur	ah
00:48:29	YouCeyE	Paul_The_Nerd, i dont have that option..
00:48:40	Bagder	nave7693: I have no explanation and I know very little about those parts
00:48:40	mirak	petur: with iriver firmware I was just praying it would not be too loud, and since conditions were always changing
00:48:52	YouCeyE	i have volume,bass,trable... i want a prebuilt equalizer setting
00:49:10	YouCeyE	how can i use preset equalizer?
00:49:11	infamis	Does the enter button (on the pc-keyboard) work in the simulator?
00:49:11	Paul_The_Nerd	YouCeyE: Isn't "Eqaulizer" the bottom choice?
00:49:17	YouCeyE	nope
00:49:20	Paul_The_Nerd	"Equalizer" rather
00:49:29	Paul_The_Nerd	YouCeyE: WHat kind of mp3 player are you using?
00:49:32	YouCeyE	nope.. crossfeed the last one
00:49:36	YouCeyE	iriver h120
00:49:49	Paul_The_Nerd	YouCeyE: When is the last time you put a new version of rockbox on it?
00:49:49	petur	mirak: yes, otf peak meter and gain change is what makes it usable
00:50:26	YouCeyE	feb 06 2006
00:50:34	YouCeyE	bootloader 6
00:51:03	LinusN	nave7693: are you sure that your settings are correct, especially the "default codepage" setting?
00:51:05	Bagder	feb 6 is aaages ago ;-)
00:51:08	Paul_The_Nerd	YouCeyE: The equalizer was added on Feb 7.
00:51:21	YouCeyE	lol.. ok Paul_The_Nerd :)
00:51:23	Paul_The_Nerd	YouCeyE: You need to download a daily or bleeding edge build.
00:51:27	YouCeyE	i will dl the latest now
00:51:54	YouCeyE	any updates on bootloader?
00:51:58	infamis	BMP2RB bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp /usr/src/rockbox-devel/tools/bmp2rb -f 4 -h /usr/src/rockbox-devel/x5-sim/pluginbitmaps bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp > /usr/src/rockbox-devel/x5-sim/apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.c
00:51:58	Paul_The_Nerd	Nope
00:52:04	infamis	fails with "error can't read image
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00:52:27	Bagder	infamis: then bmp2rb has problems on your system
00:52:27	infamis	which in bmp2rb.c meant it didn't read all of the data?
00:52:34	Paul_The_Nerd	infamis: And that's with the change I suggested, and then erasing and making a new build directory?
00:52:52	Paul_The_Nerd	Or at least rerunning configure
00:52:59	Bagder	that bejeweled image isn't affected by that change
00:53:00	infamis	right, but I was still compiling while you suggested...and it just now finished
00:53:04	Paul_The_Nerd	Oh, bejeweled
00:53:11	Paul_The_Nerd	Weird
00:53:16	infamis	no this is without the change!
00:53:24	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, but bejeweled wouldn't be affected by it
00:53:44	infamis	I started compiling with make V=1 and once that finished I was to post the exact command; now I'll try it with your change
00:53:54	Paul_The_Nerd	Though you've done all those manual conversions, so I'm kinda wondering if they could get in the way now.
00:54:11	infamis	I deleted those manual ones before I make'd
00:54:51	nave7693	LinusN: thanks it works now
00:55:04	LinusN	good
00:55:42	Moos	Bagder, LinusN: hi, wiki spam
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00:55:55	Paul_The_Nerd	infamis: I would suggest deleting the /apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/sources file, and doing a cvs up to get a clean one, just to make sure the change is right (since it's in CVS now)
00:56:09	Paul_The_Nerd	Assuming you haven't made any other changes to it.
00:57:16	petur	Moos: nice comment he put in...
00:57:55	petur	oh... gone already :D
00:58:02	Bagder	kill kill kill
00:58:16	Moos	hehe :-)
00:58:30	*	petur wonders if we still have our chairman...
00:58:47	Moos	our african one ? :)
00:59:34	petur	yes, he's still there...
00:59:48	Bagder	I couldn't see any harm in that
01:00
01:00:05	Bagder	a chairman can come useful ;-)
01:00:14	Moos	:-)
01:00:24	Shadowarrior13	How do people here compile without cygwin on windows?
01:00:29	Shadowarrior13	cygwin sucks so badly
01:00:33	LinusN	we don't
01:00:44	Shadowarrior13	...
01:00:48	Shadowarrior13	stfu :P
01:00:50	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, you compile without it in two steps: Acquire Cygwin, then compile with it.
01:01:05	LinusN	Shadowarrior13: don't use windows then
01:01:06	infamis	some bmp2rb debugging: "error - Can't read image; read 6142, expected 6144" on bmp2rb with bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp
01:01:11	Bagder	there's another way:
01:01:15	Bagder	install vmware, run linux, compile
01:01:16	Shadowarrior13	I know what's coming.
01:01:20	Shadowarrior13	Yup.
01:01:28	LinusN	Shadowarrior13: the you don't have to use software that sucks
01:01:30	Bagder	vmware is vastly faster then cygwin
01:01:34	Paul_The_Nerd	I bet if you were sufficiently determined you could get it running with mingw32 or something.
01:01:41	petur	I haven't tried colinux yet, it might be an alternative way to run linux under windows...
01:01:52	JdGordon	colunix is good
01:01:58	Bagder	yes, mingw32 could very well work
01:02:00	Shadowarrior13	This is why everyone should host precompiled binaries for the noobs
01:02:01	petur	does it work?
01:02:04	JdGordon	i prefer it to cygwin.. but its a pain to setup
01:02:11	petur	:(
01:02:29	JdGordon	CAN be a pain to setup i should have said
01:02:54	Paul_The_Nerd	JdGordon: The real key, is, once you have it set up is it faster for compiling?
01:03:07	infamis	maybe that bitmap has the wrong padded_width?
01:03:19	mirak	petur: yes colinux is good
01:03:28	mirak	petur: if you use command line mostly
01:03:31	JdGordon	i dunno... i wanst playing with rb last time i had colniux working properly
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01:04:04	*	petur moves colinux testing a bit up on his agenda
01:04:20	Paul_The_Nerd	infamis: It works for me. It's possible that your bitmap is bad and needs replaced or something?
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01:04:52	Paul_The_Nerd	mirak: If you're on windows using cygwin to compile rockbox, all you're probably using is the command line.
01:05:04	petur	right
01:05:22	Paul_The_Nerd	Man, I need to stop talking to people right after they leave.
01:05:49	infamis	Paul_The_Nerd, the bitmap is from cvs though??
01:07:21	Paul_The_Nerd	infamis: So's mine. Something's not working on your system though, so I was wondering if maybe your .bmp was corrupt or something.
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01:08:13	infamis	hmm....got me thinking....
01:08:19	petur	build server is getting slower every commit...
01:08:34	JdGordon	should i setup a colinux devkit image for rb?
01:08:37	Bagder	petur: fix for that is pending now
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01:09:05	petur	JdGordon: would be nice, but no hurry ;)
01:09:30	JdGordon	hmm.. well i got all day to kill now seen as i only had 1 hour uni today.. and i cant really be bothered learning perl just yet
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01:19:56	infamis	if, when I installed cygwin & selected dos conversion (turning lf to crl & lf), would that affect bitmap files? (it shouldn't since it's binary...but if bmp2rb read 6142 & expected 6144, maybe it's expecting 2 extra bytes?) can someone do a bmp2rb on bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp -f 4 -h /usr/src/rockbox-devel/x5-sim/pluginbitmaps & see what the size (padded_width * height) number evals to?
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01:28:45	infamis	anyone still here or is it some odd time elsewhere in the world...6pm here
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01:29:07	JdGordon	im here
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01:29:52	petur	1:30 am and counting
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01:30:26	JdGordon	only 11.30am here
01:30:35	JdGordon	u odd ppl on the wrong side of the planet
01:30:45	petur	what day?
01:30:49	Shadowarrior13	Maybe YOU'RE on the wrong side!
01:30:54	JdGordon	tomorow for u!
01:31:04	JdGordon	monday
01:31:28	petur	well here too, but will sleep a bit before using the rest of it :)
01:31:34	SuperSnout____	00:32 here =)
01:32:06	linuxstb	aegray: You pinged?
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01:33:17	infamis	lol
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01:34:24	SuperSnout	i have a problem with rockdoom.. each time i want to run it i have to run the doom.iriver file first other wise it just says that it is not compatable.. is this normal?
01:34:32	JdGordon	yes
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01:34:49	SuperSnout	ok.. seems a bit awkward though..
01:35:01	SuperSnout	what does doom.iriver actually do?
01:35:04	infamis	:)
01:35:33	linuxstb	doom.iriver will contain changes not in the CVS version of rockbox.iriver.
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01:36:39	SuperSnout	CVS?
01:37:01	linuxstb	CVS is where the official Rockbox code lives.
01:37:02	petur	where the official rb sources are
01:37:15	SuperSnout	ok
01:37:23	JdGordon	linuxstb: is it just the plugin buffer size thats been changed for doom or is there more?
01:37:38	SuperSnout	can i move doom.iriver and doom.rock wherever i want?
01:37:46	linuxstb	No, for the iriver the plugin buffer is the same size. There are just some functions added to the plugin API.
01:38:25	JdGordon	ok, so um... why not add the changes and make it easier for every!?
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01:40:19	Aditya	hallo
01:41:30	linuxstb	JdGordon: Yes, someone could do that...
01:41:38	JdGordon	haha ok
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01:42:04	petur	linuxstb: wasn't somebody looking at this?
01:42:04	Ctcp	Ignored 7 channel CTCP requests in 17 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood
01:42:04	*	JdGordon doesnt have cvs access so randomly looks aorund the channel ffor someone who does...
01:42:32	Aditya	hmm
01:42:43	Aditya	if I just run linux, I can compile and run rockbox without cygwin right?
01:43:06	Aditya	JdGordon: I think there is anonymous CVS access
01:43:19	JdGordon	Aditya: , not for writing..
01:43:23	JdGordon	and yes, u can
01:43:24	Aditya	oh
01:43:28	Aditya	and oh cool
01:43:28	Aditya	=P
01:43:30	Aditya	thanks
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01:44:44	SuperSnout_____	can i move doom.iriver and doom.rock wherever i want?
01:45:15	linuxstb	Yes - but why don't you just use doom.iriver as your main version of Rockbox?
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01:47:59	SuperSnout______	how?
01:48:28	linuxstb	Where did you get doom.iriver and doom.rock from?
01:49:06	Aditya	DOOM.IRIVER AND ROCK SOLD HERE... 2 bucks a pop! get it right here...
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01:51:15	petur	stop shouting in the middle of the night :)
01:51:22	Aditya	pssh
01:51:25	Aditya	I have a license!
01:52:05	petur	what country hands out licenses to shout?
01:52:12	Aditya	my country
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01:58:04	super	yeah and linux.. how would i make doom.iriver my main thing? just delete rockbox.iriver?
01:58:18	JdGordon	ye
01:58:27	JdGordon	and rename doom.iriver to rockbox.iriver
01:58:31	Aditya	wait
01:58:35	Aditya	whats doom.iriver?
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02:10:08	aegray	linuxstb: you did a lot with ffmpeg/libavcodec right?
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02:12:04	linuxstb	Not that much - mainly just extracting the flac decoder.
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02:14:52	aegray	do you know if avcodec_decode_audio() returns raw pcm audio samples?
02:14:56	aegray	or what it gives you
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02:19:08	linuxstb	aegray: No - I didn't actually try to use ffmpeg, I just ripped out some code from it.
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02:26:39	Aditya	hmm
02:26:44	Aditya	doomrock is definitely not working
02:26:50	Aditya	keep getting something about base wads
02:27:32	midkay	then they're not where they should be
02:27:39	midkay	/games/doom
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02:27:47	Aditya	oh
02:27:48	Aditya	bah
02:27:50	midkay	ie /games/doom/DOOM2.WAD
02:27:59	Aditya	the instructions said /doom/
02:28:11	midkay	ah, haha, that needs fixing :)
02:28:22	Aditya	ok.. lets give this another try
02:29:23	midkay	whatcha playing on?
02:29:48	Aditya	still the same thing
02:29:50	Aditya	H320
02:33:15	midkay	hmm
02:33:27	midkay	latest version?
02:33:36	Aditya	yeah
02:33:42	Aditya	I think I will just get this H300 opimized
02:33:44	Aditya	http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=373938&postcount=304
02:33:49	midkay	hm.
02:33:50	Aditya	it has a bunch of stuff inbuilt
02:34:27	midkay	i've heard about it
02:34:41	Aditya	hmm
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02:35:10	midkay	not officially supported, by the way...
02:35:16	midkay	anyways, i'll be back in a half-hour or so
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02:43:14	jackinabox^	hi all
02:44:16	Aditya	err bah
02:44:20	Aditya	I ran doom.rock
02:44:25	Aditya	and its just stuck
02:44:32	Aditya	with -1 >= numlumps
02:44:37	Aditya	and now I cant shutoff my player
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02:56:03	jackinabox^	ghost town... as usual
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02:59:42	jackinabox^	hi strath
02:59:55	jackinabox^	and BHS
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03:00:09	Strath	hello jack
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03:15:35	jackinabox^	what's up strath? sorry was in about 4 other windows as well :)
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03:16:31	Strath	not much, just socializing
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03:16:51	jackinabox^	good way to be...still sunday where u're from?
03:17:20	Strath	for the next 4 hours
03:17:47	jackinabox^	cool, it's 10:15 am monday here
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03:19:02	Strath	quite the diff
03:19:28	jackinabox^	indeed, u must be eastern coast US?
03:20:09	Strath	midwest (central time zone)
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03:20:44	jackinabox^	ok :) what state?
03:21:08	Strath	42�56'38.93"N 90� 2'30.33"W
03:22:11	JdGordon	BHSPitLappy: u around?
03:22:20	BHSPitLappy	no, I'm inside
03:22:22	BHSPitLappy	what's up?
03:22:37	jackinabox^	nah, no good with co-ordinates and i don't have a map handy
03:22:37	JdGordon	nm, i got fotoz of the skin if u wanna
03:22:38	JdGordon	c
03:23:40	JdGordon	http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/h300_front.jpg http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/h300_back.jpg
03:24:00	JdGordon	looks better irl, and will be better still when i get it printed again with more black!
03:24:10	JdGordon	but huge thanx
03:24:22	BHSPitLappy	anyone know if rockbox bootloader will freak out if it sees a hfs+ partition?
03:25:51	BHSPitLappy	neat
03:25:53	BHSPitLappy	I did that.
03:26:06	BHSPitLappy	I influenced an Australian landmark.
03:26:11	JdGordon	haha
03:26:24	BHSPitLappy	go to a printing place
03:26:24	Strath	Wisconsin
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03:26:34	JdGordon	na, its expensive...
03:26:34	BHSPitLappy	the australian version of "Kinko's" :P
03:26:36	jackinabox^	cool
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03:38:45	infamis	evening....
03:41:10	Shadowarrior13	Anyone know the key combo in iPod to reset the color scheme?
03:41:24	Shadowarrior13	I've reinstalled it, rewritten the bootloader, and it still won't change.
03:41:39	Shadowarrior13	(I accidentally made the bg black, now I can't see the text >.<)
03:42:09	infamis	backlight?
03:42:18	Shadowarrior13	No, the color of the background.
03:42:53	infamis	I'm saying can you activate the backlight & will that bring up text? I don't know rockbox or the iPod...just a guess
03:43:17	JdGordon	Shadowarrior13: didnt u do that yesterday as well?
03:43:26	Shadowarrior13	It's continued from yesterday.
03:43:41	Shadowarrior13	I can't gauge how many times I go down+up to navigate my way to the reset option.
03:43:54	JdGordon	i agve u the button combo to reset it....
03:44:13	Shadowarrior13	No, you gave me where to go, which I can't use.
03:44:24	JdGordon	bah, sure u can...
03:44:27	Shadowarrior13	eg. up 3, down 2, blah blah blah
03:44:29	JdGordon	anyway.. try menu+select
03:44:39	Shadowarrior13	That restarts...
03:46:22	JdGordon	umm... you could put an older versino or rockbox.ipod ont he player, run it then put the new 1 back on
03:46:25	JdGordon	that will reset it
03:46:28	Shadowarrior13	Good idea.
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03:46:53	*	JdGordon goes in and adds a warning for such silly behaviour..
03:47:29	Shadowarrior13	Another good idea :P
03:48:05	JdGordon	grr... i cant... linuxstb changed the way the widget works... so it cant be done _simply_, i mean it can, but its a bit yuky..
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03:50:44	infamis	anyone know where to get the sdl package from? on cygwin you just type in rockbox.org/cygwin & select it....what about linux? don't see it anywhere in docs
03:54:41	Jungti1234	http://www.rockbox.org/cygwin/ ?
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03:55:15	infamis	Jungti1234: that's for cygwin though...what about linux?
03:55:33	Aditya	I dont know if you really need to get anything for linux
03:55:34	Jungti1234	I got it at there. I use windows.
03:55:39	Aditya	but I could be wrong
03:56:04	JdGordon	weee.. an apache just flew over my house... gg commomwealth games security training :D
03:56:43	psycho_maniac	anybody here currenlty own a apple 5g with rockbox on it?
03:56:56	Aditya	ack!
03:57:02	Shadowarrior13	Me.
03:57:03	Aditya	make a cross apple!!
03:57:07	infamis	I need it something cause on ../tools/configure it errs out with sdl-config not ofund
03:57:09	Shadowarrior13	<3 apple
03:57:13	Shadowarrior13	<3 <3 linux
03:57:27	Aditya	<3 linux
03:57:32	Aditya	<3 windows xp
03:57:36	Shadowarrior13	SATAN!!
03:57:38	Aditya	<3 iRiver
03:57:42	Aditya	but apple.. meh..
03:57:43	*	Shadowarrior13 throws holy water on Aditya
03:57:50	Aditya	I am already holy...
03:57:51	Aditya	bith
03:57:52	Aditya	bitch
03:57:54	Aditya	meh
03:57:58	psycho_maniac	i curently own a h120 and am wanting a apple 5g. how far is rockbox on apple ?
03:58:04	Shadowarrior13	It's the windows corrupting your soul
03:58:04	Aditya	my iRiver battery is getting old...
03:58:10	Shadowarrior13	psycho, it's everything anything else can do.
03:58:20	Shadowarrior13	Except for doom.
03:58:23	Shadowarrior13	:(
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03:58:29	psycho_maniac	........i dont need that.. haha
03:58:41	JdGordon	grr.. not an apache.. a blackhawk :D
03:58:42	Shadowarrior13	Well, doom completes me.
03:58:42	infamis	anyone? SDL for linux...where? what the hell does SDL stand for so I could at least sort out some google results?
03:58:45	psycho_maniac	so then if i got it the only differece from the apple would be COLOR ?
03:58:51	Shadowarrior13	Yup.
03:58:56	Aditya	heh
03:58:57	Shadowarrior13	Lots of beautiful color.
03:59:04	psycho_maniac	damn now i really want one
03:59:09	Aditya	thats why I didn't get the apple back then
03:59:15	Aditya	cause color cost extra
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03:59:20	Shadowarrior13	And video.
03:59:20	Aditya	and well.. it still does somewhat
03:59:23	Aditya	yeah
03:59:27	Aditya	apple has it now
03:59:31	psycho_maniac	im saving up for the 5g 60gb..i dont eve have that much space lol
03:59:32	Aditya	but for like a 100 bucks more
03:59:34	Shadowarrior13	I <3 my videoness
03:59:42	Shadowarrior13	I've got a white 60gig :P
03:59:47	Aditya	I might buy a new mp3 player and it will probably be the H10
03:59:51	Aditya	or maybe one from iAudio
03:59:57	psycho_maniac	yeah thats the only bad part you have to run apple to watch videos but i can prolly wait till rockbox has that working
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04:00:35	psycho_maniac	because the second well within the hour i get my apple im gonna install rockbox on it and not even run the apple firmware
04:00:38	Aditya	the nano is pretty neat though
04:00:47	Aditya	no video and all that shebang but fuck is it small
04:00:56	Aditya	its like not even the size of my finger
04:01:12	Shadowarrior13	The nano has video on linux :P
04:01:17	Shadowarrior13	I hate it, I miss the mini.
04:01:22	Aditya	meh
04:01:29	Aditya	nano kind of trumps the minis
04:01:33	Aditya	they do about the same
04:01:35	Aditya	and are bigger
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04:01:47	Shadowarrior13	But the mini was just better. It was tough as hell, and looked better.
04:01:52	Aditya	erm
04:01:54	Shadowarrior13	And you wouldn't lose it in the carpet.
04:01:59	Aditya	I read that the nano was like insanely touch
04:02:00	Aditya	tough*
04:02:06	Shadowarrior13	Nah.
04:02:16	Aditya	they threw it out of a car doing 30 mph...
04:02:18	Shadowarrior13	Besides, the mini was made of METAL :P
04:02:27	Aditya	I doubt that
04:02:29	Shadowarrior13	I think they just shoulda given the mini a color screen.
04:02:34	Aditya	it was probably just really hard plastic
04:02:39	Shadowarrior13	No, it was metal.
04:02:42	Shadowarrior13	Literally.
04:02:44	Shadowarrior13	I had one.
04:03:19	psycho_maniac	didnt they have metal on the back?
04:03:20	Aditya	http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3
04:03:30	Shadowarrior13	No, the mini was fully metal.
04:03:40	Shadowarrior13	I don't care about that one test :P
04:03:41	psycho_maniac	woah really !
04:03:54	Shadowarrior13	I've seen at least 4 broken nanos from petty drops in my group of friends.
04:04:09	Shadowarrior13	Usually the screen.
04:04:28	psycho_maniac	but the regular ipods have metal on the back dont they?
04:04:29	Aditya	everything has freak-exceptions
04:04:34	Aditya	psycho_maniac: yes
04:04:37	Strath	full metal jacket?
04:04:37	Shadowarrior13	Yes.
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04:04:51	Aditya	my windows xp install hasn't crashed.. ever
04:05:02	Aditya	and a lot of my friends have the same experience
04:05:09	Aditya	but there are others out there that have problems
04:05:12	Aditya	same deal
04:05:55	psycho_maniac	ive had the xp intall crash as well
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04:06:34	infamis	where do you download/install sdl from on linux? :(
04:06:43	Jungti1234	http://static.flickr.com/33/103689339_b145b561b7.jpg
04:07:01	Aditya	what the?
04:07:57	Shadowarrior13	Otaaaay...
04:08:28	psycho_maniac	whats that pic for?
04:10:07	Jungti1234	Italy is So Romantic
04:10:58	Shadowarrior13	Okaaay then.
04:12:23	Aditya	so a guy with dreds smoking on the sidewalk is romantic?
04:12:30	Aditya	okay... whatever floats your boat
04:13:13	Jungti1234	It's not my way of thinking.
04:13:30	Jungti1234	I hate smoking.
04:14:59	infamis	nevermind I found it... libsdl.org it'd be nice if the rb docs or wiki explained where to get sdl...
04:15:24	infamis	...for those who don't know what it is
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04:18:32	midkay	http://google.com/search?q=sdl
04:18:34	midkay	;)
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04:20:11	infamis	believe me that was the first thing I did...but "Simple DirectMedia Layer" doesn't sound like a simulator
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04:21:08	infamis	I ended up going to rockbox.org/cygwin & google searched for sdl-1.2.9-1
04:22:23	midkay	first google link's description is "A cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide fast access to the graphics framebuffer and audio device." - makes sense to me.. graphics, audio, media.. shrug. :)
04:22:58	infamis	I was looking for the word "simulator"...
04:23:18	midkay	ah, well, it's not exactly a simulator..
04:23:46	infamis	rockbox website fails to describe what it is..except that it's for the simulator...so what can [a noob] say?
04:24:23	midkay	i'd agree it should be better describled.. cygwin installation instructions tell you to simply install sdl from the rockbox mirror, you shouldn't need to know much more if that's the way you're doing it?..
04:24:30	midkay	described* :
04:24:31	midkay	:)*
04:25:14	infamis	right, for Cygwin it says, just click the checkbox. but now since I'm on linux...I was clueless as to how/where to get it
04:25:30	midkay	aha. hm.
04:25:42	midkay	it's not in the crosscompiler docs or anything? that's kind of odd
04:26:20	infamis	nope...sdl / SDL is nowhere on the 'guide to cross-compiling'
04:27:05	midkay	hm, well, feel free to add it, i suppose.. :)
04:27:05	infamis	and the UISimulator doc expects that you already have sdl installed/config'd
04:28:00	Shadowarrior13	Damnit, where does rockbox store the information about color settings?
04:28:04	Shadowarrior13	It's somehow not resetting
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04:29:58	Jungti1234	hmm
04:31:02	Jungti1234	Rockbox is slow the playing speed.
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04:42:19	infamis	midkay: I edited the cross-compiling wiki page....but...
04:42:41	infamis	installation guide of sdl is probably needed?
04:43:01	midkay	infamis, good.. hmm.. probably useful, but a link is at least a very good start. :)
04:43:07	midkay	might add it to the uisim doc too..
04:43:32	infamis	I did the usual configure/make/make install; it was built; but when I run rockboxui, I get a "fatal: No available video device"
04:43:52	midkay	hm.
04:46:24	infamis	...this is an SDL problem not detecting X? http://twomix.devolution.com/pipermail/sdl/2001-October/039456.html
04:47:35	midkay	hm. i really have no idea, you could try editing the config file if it says have_x is 'no'..
04:52:51	infamis	do you know wher the X11 includes & libraries are?
04:53:07	midkay	not sure, no, sorry
04:53:09	infamis	I tried forcing have_x to no but it still says "checking for X.....no" on the configure script
04:53:19	infamis	*to yes I mean
04:53:27	midkay	after it configures, go and edit the config to "yes"
04:53:36	midkay	(edit the makefile perhaps?)
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04:57:16	infamis	edited config.log (as that & the configure script were the only ones with "have_x" in it) to set it from no to yes, but same result.
04:57:22	*	infamis hates being a noob :(
04:57:29	Aditya	who doesn't
04:57:49	infamis	the non-noobs :)
04:58:04	midkay	haha.
04:58:06	Aditya	thats a vacuous case
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05:00:45	infamis	told you I was a noob...
05:00:57	Aditya	meh
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05:05:37	Zoide777	hi
05:05:55	Zoide777	has anyone gotten tagdatabase to work w/ unicode?
05:06:39	Zoide777	I created a db with SongDB.jar (and also w/ the perl version) but then I can't open the songs whose filenames have special characters (e.g. accented vowels)
05:08:10	Jungti1234	um..
05:08:36	infamis	sdl won't compile without the x includes/libs when you force have_x to yes cause missing header files gives compile errors...having to install X from scratch is gonna suck :(
05:09:12	Jungti1234	Zoide777: About it markun may know.
05:09:29	Jungti1234	I'm not sure.
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05:15:08	infamis	oh well...X from scratch install: XFree86 or X11?
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05:23:42	midkay	infamis, you're sure an X reinstall will fix it?
05:26:13	infamis	or at least some way to grab the includes for it
05:26:22	midkay	hm.
05:26:41	infamis	I have the libs in /usr/X11R6/lib, but in /usrX11R6/include, there's nothing
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05:27:31	infamis	except for a /usr/X11R6/include/X11/bitmaps directory with files in it
05:28:18	midkay	hm
05:29:21	infamis	or if I could find the devel X11 package for redhat (if one exists) is my best alternative I'm guessing
05:30:00	midkay	yeah, that might work..
05:37:32	infamis	damn all this downloading. used to think DSL was fast
05:41:05	midkay	infamis, haha
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05:45:11	Jungti1234	What is 'Extension array full'?
05:45:44	midkay	Jungti1234, i don't know, where did you see it?
05:46:02	Jungti1234	language file
05:46:10	midkay	hmm
05:46:17	Jungti1234	saa[b_r]ider: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:46:18	Jungti1234	ah?
05:46:24	Jungti1234	saa[b_r]ider: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:46:28	Jungti1234	um? ;;
05:46:30	midkay	hmm
05:46:37	Jungti1234	=> id: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:46:54	Jungti1234	sorry saab
05:47:30	midkay	what does it say for "eng"?
05:47:37	midkay	or..
05:47:51	Jungti1234	#Filetypes
05:47:51	Jungti1234	saa[b_r]ider: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:47:51	Jungti1234	desc: Extension array full
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05:47:51	Jungti1234	eng: "Extension array full"
05:47:57	Jungti1234	damn irc
05:48:04	midkay	hm, wait
05:49:01	midkay	ah
05:49:04	midkay	you're ..
05:49:18	midkay	in a directory with a large amount of extensions (too many to hold)..
05:49:40	midkay	what model?
05:49:43	midkay	of playert
05:49:50	Jungti1234	H300
05:50:01	midkay	then you're in a folder with more than 64 file extensions, i think.
05:50:15	Jungti1234	hm
05:50:55	midkay	i'm not quite sure what they mean by extensions, but i'm pretty sure it's the file extension (.mp3, .rock etc..)
05:51:08	Jungti1234	ex) abc.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnop ?
05:51:45	midkay	possibly, or maybe like.. blah.a, blah.b, blah.c ... blah.z - and then blah.aa, blah.bb, ... blah.zz - etc.
05:51:45	Jungti1234	um.....
05:51:50	Jungti1234	next
05:51:54	Jungti1234	What is 'Filetype array full'?
05:51:57	Jungti1234	smae?
05:51:58	Jungti1234	same?
05:52:21	midkay	/* max filetypes (plugins & icons stored here) */
05:52:34	midkay	i'm not sure..
05:54:13	midkay	be right back
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05:56:14	infamis	what does this mean: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
05:56:41	infamis	even if I have libX11.so.6
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05:58:06	midkay	:p
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06:00:37	infamis	doesn't "-lXXX" in gcc mean it's looking for libXXX.so.6?
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06:01:04	earHertz	it means it's looking for libXXXX
06:01:23	earHertz	whether it find .so or .a or something else depends
06:01:35	earHertz	on other settings
06:02:06	infamis	took off the extensnion but same error...
06:02:15	earHertz	on some setup, it may even find libXXXX.dll
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06:02:43	earHertz	infamis: go ask in ##linux
06:03:23	Jungti1234	midkay
06:03:23	infamis	can't join another channel using the webclient :(
06:04:00	earHertz	oh
06:04:36	Jungti1234	hm?
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06:05:30	Jungti1234	-> /join ##linux - Doesn't it work?
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06:06:22	midkay	ey. earHertz! ;)
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06:06:33	midkay	you can't use the web client to get in another channel, no.
06:06:51	Jungti1234lweb	ah..
06:06:52	earHertz	midkay: !
06:06:58	midkay	haha.
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06:07:51	Jungti1234	midkay
06:07:57	midkay	hm? :)
06:08:12	Jungti1234	I don't understand 'filetype'
06:08:57	midkay	Jungti1234, nor do i - i would think it would be the file's type, like mp3 or wav or zip.. but you'd also think that it's the same as 'extension'.
06:09:09	Jungti1234	hmm...
06:09:11	Jungti1234	ok
06:09:16	Jungti1234	thank you
06:09:24	earHertz	or th mime type
06:09:26	midkay	no problem
06:09:36	Jungti1234	mime?
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06:11:56	earHertz	mime type: what email clients and web browsers use to determine file type
06:21:08	infamis	alright I quit...finally got sdl to compile with X support...now when building the rockbox sim I get all these undefined references from libSDL.so to X***
06:22:45	infamis	this is why I could never be a real programmer...wasting 4 hours for something broken to compile...ahhhh!
06:23:14	JdGordon	haha poor bugger
06:27:36	BHSPitLappy	too bad he's also a poor DE-bugger!
06:27:45	*	BHSPitLappy feels like a nerd now.
06:27:54	*	infamis agrees
06:27:56	infamis	:p
06:29:06	infamis	oh well, guess I gotta install X from scratch then :(
06:29:19	infamis	just so rockbox can work...lol
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06:38:24	infamis	sdl-config still puts out -lX11 .. I wanna change it to be /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 in the tools/configure script...how to with sed?
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06:45:39	JdGordon	does any1 know how to compile a executable on linux and tell it to dynamically link in with certain libs at run time?
06:46:16	infamis	wish I knew.
06:50:22	*	infamis cries cause he got rockbox to compile the simulator yet still gets 'no available video device' on ./rockboxui
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06:53:20	coob	JdGordon: compile with -lnameoflib
06:53:25	coob	or man dlopen
06:54:09	JdGordon	dlopn is used to manually load up a dl... -l automatically does the same?
06:54:45	JdGordon	i mean, im trying to get this stupid program to compile on unix without having the nescacery libs, but it will be on the target comp...
06:54:55	JdGordon	so -llib will work without adding any code?
06:58:22	JdGordon	coob: did any of that make sense?
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07:01:11	coob	you'll need the libs
07:01:23	coob	but yes, unless you compile staticlly it wont add any code.
07:03:47	JdGordon	coob: is there a way to get gcc to let me know which functinos its missing so i can work out which libs are actually needed?
07:05:22	coob	it should tell you when you try to compile.
07:05:44	coob	try a generic help channel, this is a channel for rockbox stuff
07:06:08	JdGordon	ok
07:07:39	josh_	JdGordon: you need all the libs so gcc knows where the symbols are (more specifically than "in libc" or something) - it relieves some of the stress from ld.so, which is good because that means apps can load faster.
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07:39:31	infamis	hmm...anyone know how to make & install sdl...
07:40:10	B4gder	there's an sdl package on rockbox.org for cygwin
07:40:14	Jungti1234	hehe
07:40:17	infamis	...under linux
07:40:27	Jungti1234	Just alike answer
07:40:28	infamis	redhat 9 to be exact
07:40:41	B4gder	download source, configure, make, make install I'd guess
07:41:00	B4gder	or possibly there's an RPM around
07:41:08	infamis	what if I don't have the x includes & libs
07:41:37	B4gder	then you won't be able to build it
07:41:41	B4gder	I'd guess
07:42:04	infamis	can I get them from somewhere?
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07:42:17	B4gder	sure
07:42:40	B4gder	redhat will offer you X11, and they are also downloadable as source too
07:42:46	infamis	without recompiling x
07:42:59	B4gder	you don't need to compile anything to get header files
07:43:03	infamis	my redhat 9 does not have the includes
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07:43:35	infamis	only the libs...and sdl can't find the libs on link
07:43:52	infamis	using -lX11 -lXext
07:45:37	infamis	basically I spent 4-5 hours trying to get sdl to build & when it finally did, I still got "no available video devices" when running ./rockboxui
07:46:38	B4gder	and you have all libs it wants to use?
07:46:47	B4gder	and you have them in dirs the linker will scan for them=
07:46:50	B4gder	?
07:47:21	infamis	yeah I have -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 & ld still gives an error that it couldn't find the lib
07:47:40	B4gder	then you don't have libX11 ?
07:48:08	infamis	and also /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.2 exists
07:48:18	infamis	and also /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 exists
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07:52:42	Jungti1234	What is 'Paged Scrolling'?
07:53:09	Jungti1234	Is it same with 'Screen Scrolls Out Of View'?
07:58:29	Jungti1234	anyone?
07:59:00	infamis	I sure as hell don't know :)
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08:01:26	Jungti1234	:'(
08:02:08	midkay	Jungti1234, paged scrolling means that when the cursor reaches the bottom of the screen, when you press down again it goes to the top of a new screen
08:02:10	midkay	enable it and try
08:02:46	Jungti1234	I did not know its directions.
08:02:50	midkay	what?
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08:03:17	Jungti1234	I didn't know it.
08:03:29	midkay	it's ok :) but if you try you'll understand better
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08:08:28	amiconn	wiki spam...
08:08:55	midkay	haha.
08:09:00	midkay	lovely.
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08:20:07	infamis	X11r6.9 here I come :(
08:20:29	*	B4gder whispers debian...
08:20:32	B4gder	:-)
08:20:53	infamis	debian > redhat?
08:21:01	B4gder	by far I'd say
08:21:13	infamis	free?
08:21:15	B4gder	redhat is rpm hell
08:21:24	B4gder	more free than redhat even
08:21:45	infamis	I actually paid for redhat!??!?
08:22:06	B4gder	well, you wouldn't have to since you can download redhat for free
08:22:54	infamis	yea, tried to like 4 times...on 56k...each download failed the crc or whatever...so I ended up buying the redhat for dummies book that came with the os...
08:23:13	BHSPitLappy	lol
08:23:17	infamis	still have yet to read it
08:23:27	BHSPitLappy	don't they have a net install?
08:23:53	B4gder	on 56K I figure buying a CD is cheaper than being online for 2 weeks non-stop for the install :-)
08:24:06	BHSPitLappy	yeah
08:24:10	BHSPitLappy	more convenient
08:24:22	BHSPitLappy	but I would take the challenge ;)
08:24:23	infamis	right, that's why I just gave in after the 4th download (aka, 3 weeks of tieing up the phone line)
08:25:15	infamis	we only had one phone line for voice & internet...so, parents didn't like that!
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08:31:56	infamis	...what makes one distro better than the other if they're all "linux" & can all run the same programs?
08:33:17	earHertz	some distros contribute to the republican party
08:33:22	qwm	different packaging systems, comes with different programs/tools, different goals/purposes, different philosophies..
08:33:39	earHertz	otjhers are run by furriners and godless communists
08:33:48	earHertz	only use sco linux
08:35:50	BHSPitLappy	pssh
08:36:04	qwm	are you about to say something stupid, Lappy?
08:36:06	infamis	hmm
08:36:41	infamis	crap...building X11 & I'm running out of disk space...20MB free...
08:38:17	infamis	16MB free...
08:38:28	midkay	delete some schitt! quickly!
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08:39:08	robin_	is the battery indicator for the nano already working?
08:39:44	Mikachu	infamis: press ctrl-s in the compiling terminal
08:39:53	Mikachu	then ctrl-q to resume
08:40:21	earHertz	don't do it! that's teh misslile lauch code!
08:40:30	infamis	???
08:40:42	infamis	are you guys trying to mess with me...
08:40:55	earHertz	I am
08:42:28	infamis	ctrl s & q...cool
08:42:44	infamis	I freed up 20MB
08:43:20	earHertz	delete your porn tyhat's usually about aterrabyte
08:43:25	midkay	ghaha.
08:43:50	earHertz	or just /midgets and donkeys
08:43:54	infamis	I keep that under windows & the NTFS partition isn't writable from linux :(
08:44:05	midkay	hahaha.
08:44:06	infamis	or... :)
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08:45:38	infamis	no need to delete anything.....X11 just gave an error & I don't feel like debugging...I'll just download Debian & start all over tomorrow...
08:46:37	infamis	well....nighty night...I'm out
08:46:47	Jungti1234	bye
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08:57:02	amiconn	hrmpf.
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08:57:59	amiconn	Both debian-unstable-amd64 and debian-testing-x86 don't seem to like me...
08:58:35	midkay	amiconn, well of course, can you blame them? ;) j/k
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09:04:00	amiconn	Ah, I can go down to testing on my amd64 - finally!
09:04:36	B4gder	I switch to the new cvs builds system now
09:04:59	JdGordon	whats chaning?
09:05:04	Jungti1234	Rich men
09:05:06	JdGordon	chainging..
09:05:28	B4gder	the most visible change for all of us is vastly faster cvs builds
09:06:00	JdGordon	nice
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09:08:57	Jungti1234	sorry
09:09:01	Jungti1234	What is 'Clipping light'?
09:09:27	B4gder	Jungti1234: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-02/0497.shtml
09:09:42	B4gder	the mailing list is good
09:10:49	Jungti1234	hehehe thankyou
09:11:09	Jungti1234	It's unskillful that I use it.
09:12:39	Jungti1234	B4gder, sorry. I don't understand it...
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09:20:31	Jungti1234	um.... perhaps..
09:21:32	Jungti1234	Does it keep that backlight are lighted continuously at recording?
09:21:46	Mikachu	only when clipping
09:23:01	Jungti1234	I don't know clipping...
09:23:20	Jungti1234	scissoring? cut?
09:23:49	Mikachu	if the sound from recording is too strong, some parts will be the same when they shouldn't
09:24:11	Mikachu	http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/kerry.jpg
09:24:14	Mikachu	like in this picture
09:24:49	Jungti1234	....
09:25:17	Mikachu	if you still don't understand, i'm sorry
09:25:37	Jungti1234	Does it refine sound?
09:26:57	Jungti1234	I don't understand well English..... sorry :(
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09:31:24	Jungti1234	Mikachu! oh thanks
09:31:44	Jungti1234	now I understood it.
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09:43:44	Mikachu	Jungti1234: great
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09:50:04	petur	B4gder or Bagder here?
09:50:57	B4gder	yeps
09:51:30	petur	nice to split cvs and daily builds, maybe the 'copy' of this on the forums site should be updated as well?
09:51:45	B4gder	yes
09:51:57	B4gder	but the forums are done by Jeff et all
09:52:17	petur	true
09:52:33	petur	well it's just a detail anyway...
09:52:33	B4gder	but yes, we should point that out to them
09:53:38	LinusN	i'm changing it now
09:53:52	JdGordon	B4gder: while your playying.. get rid of the sim32 builds in the table if they arnt being done anymore...?
09:54:05	B4gder	they aren't done and they will vanish
09:54:20	B4gder	that's all automatic
09:54:25	JdGordon	oh
09:54:41	petur	? but there's no build result for them in the table
09:54:48	petur	anymore
09:55:10	B4gder	no, but the columns are based on more data than what is visible in the table
09:55:32	petur	ah I see (or don't to be precise ;) )
09:55:47	B4gder	the first pass of the scripts gathers all build types
09:55:57	B4gder	and the second output the last N entries
09:56:07	B4gder	simply speaking
09:56:39	B4gder	and thus "all types" are all existing in the build logs we have, and we have N days backlog
09:57:13	B4gder	so it takes N days for a build to vanish
09:57:17	petur	I'm sure there's a reason for this
09:57:21	B4gder	with N being 8 I believe
09:57:45	B4gder	well, it can of course be improved
09:57:53	B4gder	I just find it not that important
09:58:11	petur	not important, just a bit confusing
09:58:40	B4gder	I think most people understand that a blank column means it isn't building
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10:11:27	JdGordon	does any1 know if rockword can edit txt files on the player?
10:11:50	petur	I think it only edits txt files
10:12:47	JdGordon	hmm.. im getting incompatible version.. gonna haveta compile it myself.
10:13:02	LinusN	the forum menu is updated
10:13:53	B4gder	and the cvs build takes a very long time... :-/
10:14:19	LinusN	several seconds? :-)
10:14:29	B4gder	expected to complete around 09:00:42
10:14:45	LinusN	oh
10:14:57	LinusN	booo
10:15:08	petur	your code is too complex :)
10:18:02	B4gder	I need to add some clever logs for me to check build server status
10:23:28	petur	and your averaging calc is a tiny bit off too: 38 builds in 733 seconds makes 19 seconds/build :P
10:23:50	earHertz	builds take a lot longer than they did twio years ago
10:23:52	earHertz	a lot longer
10:23:52		Quit BHSPitLappy (Success)
10:23:53	earHertz	and my compile machine is 4 times fastrs and with twice teh cpus as two years ago
10:23:55	earHertz	anyone use teh DatabaseV2?
10:24:30	petur	does gcc use multiple cpu?
10:24:43	LinusN	no
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10:24:45	B4gder	petur: why is that off?
10:25:04	LinusN	733/38=20
10:25:15	B4gder	if you round it, yes
10:25:21	LinusN	hex
10:25:31	petur	off from the actual build times I meant...
10:25:38	B4gder	19.28
10:25:38	B4gder	I'd say
10:25:46	petur	by several orders of magnitude...
10:25:50	B4gder	?
10:25:58	B4gder	how do you know?
10:26:15	B4gder	you haven't seen these builds before
10:26:37	B4gder	we've run this for many days and I'd say that build time is about accurate
10:26:47	LinusN	i see them now, and it has so far taken 28 minutes :-P
10:26:52	B4gder	you're thinking about the old builds
10:27:22	B4gder	well we can never know how long a new build will take
10:27:27	LinusN	38
10:27:31	B4gder	only how long previous builds have taken
10:27:48	LinusN	i guess one of the build machines has problems
10:27:57	B4gder	and of course with distributde builds, one or few server problems will affect build times drastically
10:27:57	petur	nevermind, I don't know the build system so I don't know what I'm talking about anyway...
10:28:03	JdGordon	if you want faster builds put more errors in them !!!
10:28:06	JdGordon	:D
10:28:42	B4gder	the build time is based on the previous 4 builds
10:29:07	petur	are we distributed already?
10:29:10	B4gder	yes
10:29:26	B4gder	this is three machines building
10:29:34	coob	add more machines :)
10:29:36	petur	wow, ok.. that explains the 19 seconds...
10:29:47	B4gder	I'm in the process of adding another build server
10:30:17	B4gder	I'll announce the news soon
10:30:21	B4gder	and ask for more servers
10:30:37	JdGordon	ill dontae my comp to the cause..
10:30:49	JdGordon	i assume its just install distcc and give u the ip?
10:31:00	B4gder	no
10:31:07	B4gder	distcc wasn't good enough for us
10:31:12	JdGordon	oh..
10:31:27	B4gder	distcc is only good if you have really fast net and slow compiles
10:31:43	B4gder	we have slow net and quite fast compiles
10:31:58	B4gder	thus we hand out "complete" builds to the server
10:32:15	B4gder	and transfer the complete results back
10:32:59	B4gder	t0mas is the man behind the buildscript going distributed
10:33:16	JdGordon	ok
10:33:49	petur	maybe instead of the score, you could show how many servers were used to compile, and have some indicator of the number that's available at the moment...
10:34:08	B4gder	yes
10:35:13	JdGordon	how long was each buikd b4?
10:35:31	B4gder	~60 seconds
10:36:22	JdGordon	hmm... does cygwin really slow it down? or is my comp just shite?? im at 4min already :p
10:36:35	petur	blame cygwin
10:36:50	B4gder	cygwin is MUST slower
10:36:53	B4gder	MUCH
10:37:01	petur	HEY I thought you were on colinux?
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10:37:06	B4gder	anyone tried ccache on cygwin?
10:39:03	JdGordon	petur: u talknig to me?
10:39:14	petur	yes
10:39:21	JdGordon	setting up the image now
10:39:36	petur	ah
10:40:00	*	petur gives his memorybanks another kick
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10:42:36	Jungti1234__	wow..
10:42:37	Jungti1234__	http://www.pmplab.org/
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10:45:51	Jungti1234__	http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/data/screenshot/STA70018.JPG
10:46:19	B4gder	what's there?
10:46:36	Jungti1234__	um..
10:46:58	Jungti1234__	It's similar with Rockbox.
10:47:33	JdGordon	is there an english site?
10:47:53	Jungti1234__	sorry. Isn't.
10:48:04	Jungti1234__	http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/data/screenshot/DSCF0007.JPG
10:48:22	B4gder	for the iriver pmp then I guess?
10:48:36	Jungti1234__	iStation
10:49:36	Jungti1234__	http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/data/screenshot/%BB%E7%C1%F80045.jpg - windows.. haha
10:50:02	petur	Serch?
10:50:09	Jungti1234__	no
10:50:09	Jungti1234__	search
10:50:17	XavierGr	uf, does anyone has any previous experience with iriver Germany over the phone?
10:50:23	Jungti1234__	Wrong spelling
10:50:33	JdGordon	hahah @ windows
10:50:56	petur	W2K isn't that bad...
10:51:24	t0mas	[10:36:28] <JdGordon> hmm... does cygwin really slow it down? or is my comp just shite?? im at 4min already :p
10:51:37	t0mas	cygwin is really SLOW, and we use ccache to speed up the builds...
10:51:46	petur	In fact it's the first and last decent windows version they made...
10:51:48	t0mas	my normal linux builds take > 1 min. too
10:52:04	B4gder	t0mas: I'm running the script as my user now
10:52:10	B4gder	something is seriously weird
10:52:34	Jungti1234__	http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/screenshot/1135513058/SSL10288.jpg
10:52:36	Jungti1234__	hahaha KOF
10:52:48	B4gder	kof?
10:53:07	JdGordon	404
10:53:09	petur	no, 404
10:53:33	petur	seems previuos cvs build failed completely
10:54:07	XavierGr	doh
10:54:14	petur	good that Linus is committing X5 stuff at high tempo to test it
10:54:22	Jungti1234__	B4gder: yes, King of Fighters
10:54:42	t0mas	B4gder: have you killed mine?
10:54:51	B4gder	Jungti1234 and that is... ?
10:54:53	B4gder	t0mas: yes
10:55:03	Jungti1234__	game
10:55:08	t0mas	running as your uid, in my install dir?
10:55:10	B4gder	t0mas: after ~40 minutes building
10:55:16	B4gder	t0mas: yes
10:55:22	t0mas	that might be a problem
10:55:34	B4gder	ok, you can run it instead
10:55:51	B4gder	we need finegrained debug info on the build I guess
10:55:57	t0mas	I have that
10:56:05	t0mas	tail -f /home/tomas/rockbox-auto/dgblog
10:56:06	B4gder	especially if the servers are down
10:56:13	B4gder	that log had three lines
10:56:17	t0mas	it prints out warnings there
10:56:17	B4gder	after ~40 minutes
10:56:24	t0mas	what was it?
10:56:52	B4gder	DBG: Cvs update done, diff = 1
10:56:52	B4gder	DBG: Creating temp. buildpage.
10:56:52	B4gder	DBG: Building now...
10:57:05	t0mas	ok, and it never got to building
10:57:15	B4gder	it stuck in a ssh process
10:57:17	t0mas	jup
10:57:19	t0mas	and I know why
10:57:28	B4gder	ok
10:57:28	t0mas	you didn't have the host keys for those servers...
10:57:35	B4gder	but that was your build
10:57:42	t0mas	my uid?
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10:57:50	B4gder	which made me start fiddling
10:58:26	B4gder	do restart a build with your user and see that it works
10:58:46	B4gder	t0mas: the ssh process took lots of cpu % so it wasn't just hanging
10:58:49	earHertz	holy crap. the top googgle result for "knuth christmas lectures" is the rockbox mail archive
10:58:51	JdGordon	which version of gcc should i put into the colinux image? the crosscompiler wiki page has a diff version for all the targets..
10:59:14	B4gder	JdGordon: that's correct, you should use the ones for the specific targets to get best results
10:59:44	t0mas	B4gder, these look kind of weird:
10:59:45	t0mas	24834 pts/19 00:00:00 find <defunct>
10:59:45	t0mas	24949 pts/19 00:38:24 ssh <defunct>
10:59:53	B4gder	t0mas: I noticed that too
11:00
11:00:04	LinusN	JdGordon: each target has its own version of the gcc compiler
11:00:04	petur	earHertz: not here
11:00:08	B4gder	the ssh one might be caused by my kill
11:00:24	t0mas	hmm...
11:00:30	t0mas	I can't kill them
11:00:36	earHertz	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=knuth+christmas+lectures&spell=1
11:00:38	t0mas	same for these:
11:00:39	t0mas	24951 pts/19 00:00:00 ssh
11:00:39	t0mas	24953 pts/19 00:00:00 ssh
11:00:52	petur	earHertz: and I blame him for ever making cweb ...
11:01:03	earHertz	cweb?
11:01:04	B4gder	t0mas: yeps, I tried to kill them too as root
11:01:16	t0mas	killed
11:01:26	t0mas	tomas@labb:~$ ps -U tomas
11:01:32	t0mas	just 3 nice working processes
11:01:33	skwad	LinusN: is the power button working on your simulator for x5 ?
11:01:41	petur	earHertz: yes... don't go near it
11:01:46	LinusN	skwad: i have no idea
11:01:55	B4gder	t0mas: ok, so force a buildmaster.pl build and see if you can make it build fine
11:02:03	petur	earHertz: google.be gives completely different results as google.com
11:02:04	t0mas	-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast dast 2935 Feb 27 10:48 chlog-2006-02-27 09:48:00.html
11:02:04	t0mas	-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast dast 3731 Feb 27 10:51 chlog-2006-02-27 09:51:36.html
11:02:04	skwad	ok no problem,
11:02:06	t0mas	-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast dast 3731 Feb 27 10:55 chlog-2006-02-27 09:55:02.html
11:02:09	t0mas	those should be mine :)
11:02:11	B4gder	ahg
11:02:11	t0mas	can you change that?
11:02:15	LinusN	skwad: i doubt that it works as a power button anyhow
11:02:19	t0mas	chown -R tomas:rockbox *
11:02:27	t0mas	in rockbox-auto would be good
11:03:09	skwad	LinusN: I tried many times but it is like the power button doesn't work
11:03:13	B4gder	t0mas: done
11:03:16	t0mas	ok
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11:03:42	B4gder	t0mas: as you might've spotted, we now use these builds on the site
11:03:47	t0mas	jup
11:03:48	B4gder	and I shut off the old builds
11:04:02	t0mas	have you moved anything?
11:04:12	B4gder	no, I'm symlinking to your stuff
11:04:43	LinusN	skwad: what do expect to happen when you push it?
11:05:01	skwad	i tried with plugin mandelbrot, it should exit
11:06:19	LinusN	skwad: maybe you need to fix the sim button driver then?
11:06:35	linuxstb_	The problem with the X5 sim is that both PLAY and POWER are mapped to the same button (PLUS) in uisimulator/sdl/button.c
11:06:56	LinusN	btw, using the power switch as a regular button is pretty awkward anyway
11:07:04	LinusN	on the x5
11:07:07	t0mas	B4gder: it has some problems with the privkey...
11:07:09	t0mas	touched that?
11:07:47	skwad	ok
11:10:04	t0mas	B4gder: ok, it stopped working because you chowned the private key
11:10:25	t0mas	it must be owner by the user, and have mode 600
11:10:51	linuxstb_	Have the distributed builds gone live now?
11:10:52	t0mas	if you change that, the ssh process will just give a warning and hang
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11:11:08	t0mas	B4gder: and you've edited some of my debug lines?
11:12:03	B4gder	t0mas: it didn't hang, it ran at high cpu
11:12:19	t0mas	maybe it got in a loop
11:12:23	t0mas	no servers availible...
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11:14:51	petur	it's the same guy again
11:14:56	t0mas	this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AqejvqrGuy ?
11:15:09	JdGordon	ok, i just installed ssh and when i try to login my ssh client just closes??? do i need to do something on the linux box to enable users to login?
11:15:49	t0mas	putty?
11:16:01	JdGordon	ye, putty closes
11:16:08	t0mas	thats a setting...
11:16:13	t0mas	on the main settings screen
11:16:21	t0mas	"Close window on exit"
11:16:24	t0mas	set it to never
11:16:24	XavierGr	Linus is it intended that the H300 starts with a long press of PLAY instead of normal press?
11:16:30	t0mas	and try again, then you should see the error
11:17:28	LinusN	XavierGr: yes
11:17:59	XavierGr	is there a reason, or?
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11:19:28	petur	avoid accidental press?
11:19:30	LinusN	to prevent that you turn it on by mistake in your pocket
11:19:50	LinusN	granted, the h300 buttons are quite hard to press by mistake
11:19:53	JdGordon	t0mas: cant find the setting :p
11:19:55	XavierGr	cause the buttons are on top? Because H100 starts with normal press
11:19:59	XavierGr	ah okay
11:20:16	petur	and you can always use the hold key....
11:20:23	t0mas	JdGordon: when you start putty, you have to type in the hostname etc right?
11:20:30	JdGordon	ye
11:20:33	t0mas	on that screen, bottom... just above the ok button
11:20:40	JdGordon	oh bugger
11:20:42	JdGordon	sorry
11:20:45	LinusN	XavierGr: also, the h300 onkey handling hardware is quite different from the h100
11:20:52	t0mas	B4gder: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
11:20:55	t0mas	it's working again
11:21:12	JdGordon	"connection closed by remote host"
11:22:02	petur	what about this: if you press on and then nothing within 30 seconds, power down again....
11:22:04	t0mas	the right port?
11:22:07	t0mas	ssh, 22
11:22:09	t0mas	not telnet, 23?
11:22:18	JdGordon	yup
11:22:33	JdGordon	is there something on the linux box i could have not done?
11:22:50	t0mas	hm...
11:22:58	t0mas	try local ssh...
11:23:03	t0mas	on the box: ssh root@localhost
11:23:29	JdGordon	connection closed by 127.0.0.1
11:24:17	B4gder	t0mas: goodie, thanks
11:24:19	petur	B4gder: cvs builds back ok, but the 2 commits by Linus didn't make it to the homepage
11:24:40	*	t0mas thinkgs he knows why..
11:24:46	B4gder	we don't want Linus' commits to be that visible
11:24:48	B4gder	;-)
11:24:56	t0mas	indeed, it's my oops commit filter
11:25:09	t0mas	it will wait for Linus' oops commit, combine those... and put that on the homepage
11:25:24	B4gder	ok, I'll fix it to use the correct file
11:25:39	t0mas	it outputs in my homedir I guess...
11:25:43	B4gder	yes
11:25:45	markun	JdGordon: I've made a HSV color picker, but it's not perfect
11:25:48	B4gder	and it still shows the old file
11:26:25	B4gder	fixed
11:27:14	amiconn	The SDL sim 'Off' button has problems on cygwin. It's mappend to numpad_enter, but somehow that doesn't work
11:27:25	amiconn	Under linux it's fine. I blame SDL
11:27:27	skwad	for x5 ?
11:27:38	amiconn	For all sims that use it
11:27:43	skwad	oh ok
11:27:47	LinusN	skwad: x5 doesn't have an off button
11:27:48	amiconn	x5, h300, h120, recorder...
11:27:54	t0mas	B4gder: time to setup the others server, and get really fast :)
11:27:57	skwad	oops :D
11:27:58	amiconn	LinusN: Yes, it's Power instead
11:28:11	B4gder	t0mas: yes, I'm working on that now actually
11:28:17	t0mas	ok, cool
11:28:21	markun	amiconn: I changed the button from 'return' to 'kp_enter' with my gigabeat commit
11:28:23	skwad	but my kp enter won't work too in cygwin :S
11:28:25	*	amiconn feels the need to get builds going on amd64
11:28:26	B4gder	first up is a dual athlon 2200
11:28:31	petur	under windows, enter is directed to the default control unless you change that behaviour...
11:28:56	B4gder	should be faster than the current main build server
11:29:07	*	t0mas feels the need to fix a bug
11:29:38	t0mas	oh, it wasn't there...
11:29:51	*	amiconn want's to participate with his Athlon64 3800+
11:30:03	earHertz	somebody remind me what teh outputs on an archios FM are? headphone and what else?
11:30:13	*	t0mas wants to trade his Athlon XP 3200+ for an Athlox X2 4800+ ;)
11:30:25	t0mas	*Athlon
11:30:30	JdGordon	earHertz: line-out?
11:30:34	JdGordon	optical out?
11:31:14	earHertz	thnaks
11:31:15	petur	t0mas: I also want to put a dual core in my socket939... but waiting for prices to come down a bit...
11:32:02	t0mas	yeah... or for my bank saldo to go up a bit :)
11:32:06	skwad	amiconn: you were right, i mapped the power button to kp1 instead of kpenter and it works
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11:34:08	t0mas	B4gder: no ipod 3g links here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
11:34:14	t0mas	for the bleeding edge
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11:35:19	B4gder	I can see one!
11:35:22	B4gder	... now ;-)
11:35:26	t0mas	ghehe
11:35:47	t0mas	How have I missed that ;)
11:35:54	B4gder	how's that iPod mini progressing btw linuxstb?
11:36:56	t0mas	oh, talking about ipods... I've almost convinced the tech. editor that alternative ipod firmwares attract enough public to justify an article about it
11:38:08	petur	but is it 'ready enough' for communication to the masses?
11:38:16	ScoTTie	i submitted a patch for ipod mini button support
11:38:30	ScoTTie	but it hasnt been added to the cvs yet
11:38:32	t0mas	petur: not yet...
11:38:36	B4gder	ScoTTie: is that the only thing stopping the ordinary user?
11:38:43	t0mas	but the release cycle of those magazines is pretty long...
11:38:55	B4gder	"ordinary" might be a bit wrong but...
11:38:57	t0mas	I have 2 other articles queued up... 1/month
11:39:00	petur	I admit progress here is fast :)
11:39:10	ScoTTie	well it doesnt seem to play mp3's
11:39:13	ScoTTie	atleast the ones i tried
11:39:14	t0mas	so if I get it through, it will be up for the June edition...
11:39:24	ScoTTie	but the keypad doesnt work at all without my patch
11:39:29	t0mas	we might have a 2.6 release by then :)
11:39:38	B4gder	t0mas: you gonna write that article?
11:39:55	t0mas	if they like it, yes
11:39:59	B4gder	B4gder: I got a question from an ipod site about "someone" who'd like to write such a piece
11:40:03	linuxstb	ScoTTie: I can have a look at your patch now, and commit it if there's no problem.
11:40:11	petur	unbiassed like most comp tech articles :P
11:40:11	B4gder	or rather, petur did
11:40:34	petur	or rather, I wrote them :)
11:40:44	ScoTTie	ok cool :)
11:40:47	B4gder	yes, but they replied with a question for it ;-)
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11:42:42	t0mas	B4gder: does our license permit it to distributed a rockbox installer + archives on a cd with the magazine? We normally put small software that's not as accessible as we like on the cd..
11:43:04	t0mas	because for some people it's difficult to read the English website, and get the right files
11:43:06	B4gder	yes, our license permits that
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11:47:21	linuxstb	ScoTTie: Your current patch doesn't apply cleanly against CVS - would you be able to update it?
11:47:35	ScoTTie	i guess
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11:49:14	linuxstb	You should just need to do cvs update, resolve any conflicts, and then produce a new patch.
11:49:51	linuxstb	There is no rush - I'll be around all day.
11:50:25	ScoTTie	ill do it now, just had a big weekend and im still suffering ;)
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11:58:09	XavierGr	wow that was helpfull
11:58:32	XavierGr	I telephoned iriver Germany and they accpted that they didn't repair my player.
11:59:02	petur	wtf?
11:59:15	XavierGr	more on that because I paid postage expenses they will give me another H100 LCD remote.
11:59:16	petur	they admitted that they did nothing?
11:59:20	XavierGr	yesz
11:59:39	petur	will they fix it now?
11:59:47	t0mas	huh? what?
12:00
12:00:15	linuxstb	Did they give a reason why they did nothing?
12:00:48	XavierGr	wait a sec i am on the phone
12:01:49	JdGordon	another lcd emote??? wanna donate 1 to me if u have more than 1?
12:02:19	markun	linuxstb: I've made a HSV colour picker, but there are still some problems to sort out
12:03:27	XavierGr	JdGordon sorry my cousin has the priority over this
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12:03:44	JdGordon	haha
12:03:45	JdGordon	ok
12:03:50	XavierGr	he has an H340 without lcd remote
12:04:16	XavierGr	but yes te guy I talked admited that the player came here for 4 days and there were no repairs
12:04:33	XavierGr	here = there
12:05:39	linuxstb	markun: How well does it work on a mono remote?
12:05:59	markun	linuxstb: not very well I guess :)
12:06:02	linuxstb	:)
12:06:11	XavierGr	now let's remove rockbox before RMAing it second time ;)
12:06:24	Jungti1234__	markun
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12:06:56	linuxstb	markun: I don't think that should stop us using it though, but it needs some thought.,
12:07:10	markun	linuxstb: without visual feedback it's hard to know which Hue value corresponds to which colour
12:07:54	markun	linuxstb: a textual representation would be nice (also for us with color vision problems)
12:09:09	linuxstb	Maybe on colour displays, the user should be able to switch between different modes (RGB sliders, HSV, textual), and on mono displays (such as the remote), there would be fewer options.
12:09:12	Jungti1234__	Kick Jungti1234.
12:09:37	linuxstb	markun: Do you have a screenshot of how it looks?
12:10:09	markun	linuxstb: currently it's just a hack. You move the RGB sliders (which represent HSV) and you see the result in the colour box
12:10:19	linuxstb	Also, on a different subject, does the CSV sdl sim work on freebsd?
12:10:37	markun	no, it doesn't
12:10:59	markun	I can make you a patch, maybe you can clean it up and make it work for OSX too?
12:11:37	linuxstb	was just planning to look at it after you committed it to cvs.
12:11:44	linuxstb	^I
12:12:04	markun	It needs some work
12:12:19	linuxstb	No-one seems to be shouting for a sim that works in Mac OS.
12:12:33	markun	And I don't have a linux machine to test if I don't break anything
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12:13:33	markun	linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/freebsd.patch
12:14:46	markun	linuxstb: I just replaced sdl-config by sdl11-config, but of course this is not a nice solution
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12:16:26	safetydan	linuxstb, no reason the current SDL sim shouldn't compile under OSX...
12:16:52	linuxstb	The Rockbox build system doesn't recognise Darwin afaik.
12:17:30	safetydan	ah... that could be a problem
12:17:57	linuxstb	I did try getting it to work a few weeks ago, and got as far as the sim starting, but it just froze, and refused to accept any keyboard input. I'm planning to try again sometime soon.
12:23:30	linuxstb	Zagor: Do you know what's going on with the mime types for attachments on the patch tracker? Firefox is telling me that some are "BIN files", others are of type text/x-patch and some are text/plain - these examples are all ".patch" files.
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12:24:37	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: It probably depends on how they were uploaded or something.
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12:26:14	linuxstb	That's what I'm guessing. But it seems a Bad Thing to rely on the mime type the user's browser says the file is.
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12:26:54	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, I agree on that one.
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12:38:57	steveb	anyone here know about the album art thing in the latest h300 build?
12:39:40	skwad	what do you mean ?
12:39:48	steveb	i am using the latest release but the album art doesnt work
12:40:10	Paul_The_Nerd	You meant the h300 optimized?
12:40:12	steveb	should cover.bmp have any special capitalisation?
12:40:13	steveb	yeh
12:40:32	Paul_The_Nerd	That's something you'll generally need to ask about at the misticriver forums.
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12:40:38	steveb	thought so
12:40:42	Paul_The_Nerd	The "optimized" isn't an official build.
12:40:44	skwad	shouldn't it be 100 * 100 pixel ?
12:40:45	steveb	i know
12:41:02	linuxstb	Is your bmp file 24-bit?
12:41:03	steveb	i just thought i would ask quickly here just in case :)
12:41:06	steveb	ah
12:41:09	steveb	not sure actually
12:41:14	*	steveb checks
12:41:14	linuxstb	I know the patch vaguely.
12:41:40	linuxstb	If it's 16-bit, it won't work, but I think other types will. Or if it uses compression it won't work.
12:41:45	linuxstb	(I think...)
12:42:49	steveb	thanks. good to know
12:43:09	linuxstb	(that's a limitation of the Rockbox bmp loader - it's not specific to the album art patch).
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12:43:15	steveb	yeh
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12:43:34	steveb	gqview says the compression is 101.7%...
12:43:44	steveb	not sure if this is correct or just gqview being screwy
12:43:59	linuxstb	It's probably uncompressed then - the extra 1.7% could be the header.
12:44:06	steveb	ah yes
12:44:18	steveb	now... how to find out the amount of bits...
12:44:47	linuxstb	Do you have cygwin installed?
12:45:21	steveb	no.
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12:46:11	linuxstb	Does Windows explorer tell you anything if you ask for the properties of the file?
12:46:16	steveb	i use linux ;)
12:46:21	linuxstb	Ah.
12:46:26	linuxstb	Just type "file cover.bmp" then.
12:46:50	linuxstb	It should give you a line ending in "width x height x depth"
12:46:51	steveb	cover.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 75 x 75 x 24 # seems to be ok :-/
12:47:05	steveb	i always forget the 'file' command
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12:47:43	linuxstb	In which case, it's probably an error in your wps file.
12:48:12	steveb	maybe. i will try with a couple of others
12:48:41	linuxstb	The format has changed slightly in different versions of the album art patch. I don't know which version the h300 "optimised" build is using.
12:48:50	steveb	yeh :-/
12:49:12	steveb	oh well nm
12:49:18	steveb	its no big deal anyway.
12:49:22	steveb	just would be kinda cool
12:49:25	JdGordon	can any1 try and ssh to 220.239.137.122 user rockdev pass rb and lemme know if it connects?
12:49:35	steveb	i am stunned at how fast the development seems to be going
12:50:18	muesli__	moin
12:50:30	steveb	JdGordon: it connects but when you type the password it disconnects
12:50:36	linuxstb	JdGordon: Same here.
12:50:40	JdGordon	ok, so its not just me
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12:50:50	JdGordon	any1 wanna have a guess why???
12:51:04	linuxstb	You should be able to see something in the logs on your Linux machine - /var/log/syslog I think
12:51:13	steveb	yeh. or /var/log/messages
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12:51:31	steveb	could just be a wrong password
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12:52:34	JdGordon	no, pass is correct.. the only thing that looks sus is this from auth.log
12:52:34	JdGordon	Feb 27 06:51:49 colinux sshd[1877]: WARNING: /etc/ssh/moduli does not exist, usi
12:52:35	JdGordon	ng old modulus
12:52:48	linuxstb	Does user rockdev have a home directory set up? Can you log in locally as that user?
12:52:55	JdGordon	yep
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13:13:36	petur	damn.. I broke pre-recording when I enhanced clipping detection :(
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13:14:05	Paul_The_Nerd	Linuxstb: I think I even suggested to them once or twice they use the WPS Gallery earlier in that thread. It seems for some reason people want to not use it.
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13:14:39	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: I know you've mentioned it as well. Maybe it's too complicated, or too "official".
13:15:36	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: I know some people have said "I'm not ready to submit it yet" in the past, but I tried to explain to them that the Wiki isn't really submission for inclusion.
13:17:10	ScoTTie	linuxstb: i added a new patch
13:17:44	linuxstb	ScoTTie: Thanks. I'm looking at it now.
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13:21:48	linuxstb	ScoTTie: There's one thing I'm not sure about (maybe others can help) - you've added a BUTTON_HOLD definition. I don't think BUTTON_HOLD events should be treated the same as other buttons - there is a button_hold() function that needs implementing which returns true or false.
13:22:25	ScoTTie	your right
13:22:34	ScoTTie	but was part of the ipodlinux code
13:22:49	ScoTTie	it would be safe to remove it, hold works without it.
13:23:40	linuxstb	OK - I'll remove the "#define BUTTON_HOLD 0x0100" line, and also the "btn \|= BUTTON_HOLD" line.
13:24:02	linuxstb	Or should I just remove the whole if {} around the btn \|= BUTTON_HOLD ?
13:24:29	ScoTTie	remove the whole if
13:24:45	ScoTTie	and :done
13:25:16	linuxstb	OK.
13:25:31	linuxstb	I'll just test you haven't broken the button handling for other ipods, and then commit it.
13:27:02	linuxstb	Have you learnt anything more about the differences between the first and second generation minis? Any views about whether they need different builds?
13:27:17	ScoTTie	the main difference is in the buttons
13:27:31	linuxstb	So your driver only works on first gen minis?
13:27:49	ScoTTie	i think 2g will use the 4g button code path (or similar)
13:27:59	ScoTTie	i would assume so
13:28:15	ScoTTie	i figured you would detect at runtime what version it was
13:28:31	ScoTTie	because if thats the only difference you dont really need 2 builds
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13:29:13	linuxstb	Lets wait for a 2g owner to come along, and we can decide then.
13:29:54	linuxstb	If you turn the hold button on on your mini, do you get a "lock" symbol appearing?
13:30:08	ScoTTie	the hold button works without my button code
13:30:14	JdGordon	does any1 know if cygwin works from a usb disk?
13:30:47	petur	I know it can work just by copying the whole tree
13:30:53	linuxstb	ScoTTie: The hardware itself stops the button interrupts when the hold switch is on. I'm asking if Rockbox correctly detects the hold switch status - if it does, you will see a lock symbol in the status bar.
13:30:59	petur	but it stores some stuff in the registry
13:31:32	ScoTTie	i mean, rockbox correctly displays the hold buttons status. even before my patch.
13:31:41	linuxstb	That's fine then.
13:31:42	petur	JdGordon: so you can't run it from two locations on the same pc
13:32:07	linuxstb	ScoTTie: Does USB detection work? Does it reboot to disk mode?
13:32:09	JdGordon	petur: i just tryed renameing the tree and it didnt work
13:32:13	ScoTTie	yes
13:32:22	ScoTTie	i wasnt quite sure what to do with that hold code. so i left it as it was in iPL.
13:32:22	*	JdGordon wants to put cygwin no my h300 so i can dev at uni
13:32:52	ScoTTie	it doesnt however when you start it with the usb in already
13:33:05	linuxstb	That should have been fixed a couple of days ago.
13:33:13	linuxstb	(it was a general Rockbox bug)
13:33:29	ScoTTie	ok, i havnt tested rockbox since i submitted my patch.
13:33:42	petur	JdGordon: maybe clear some registry stuff? If you put it on your H3xx it will be 1) even more slow 2) hard to develop and test in parallel...
13:34:47	JdGordon	petur: umm.. didnt think of that.. i guess i meant copy it off the disk when i get to uni... but i doubt i would ad to the reg..
13:34:51	ScoTTie	let me look at the keyboard.c code from iPL
13:35:03	ScoTTie	ill see what codepath the 2g uses
13:35:36	linuxstb	ScoTTie: Patch now committed.
13:35:47	ScoTTie	thanks
13:37:04	Zagor	linuxstb: I think flyspray is running "file −−mime" on the files, and blindly use what it returns
13:38:46	t0mas	B4gder? how far are you with the new server?
13:40:45	linuxstb	Zagor: Are you sure? I've tried "file −−mime" on a couple of files I've downloaded from the patch tracker, and it's giving me "text/x-c"
13:40:52	linuxstb	(I'm running Debian unstable)
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13:41:41	Zagor	I manually changed all patches to text/plain when converting from sourceforge
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13:42:10	Zagor	from that experience, I know they can get a lot of different types depending on content
13:45:45	ScoTTie	someone should add an ipod mini build to the site
13:45:46	ScoTTie	:)
13:46:16	amiconn	Does playback work already?
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14:02:14	Zagor	F/P/B prefix added to flyspray mails (Feature request / Patch / Bug)
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14:25:53	erus`	yo
14:26:04	erus`	on linux how do i install all the files like stdio.h ?
14:27:16	ashridah	you need the libc6 development package
14:27:22	LinusN	you need to have the libc6 dev files
14:27:25	ashridah	depends on your distro what the package'll be called
14:28:32	erus`	ubuntu... sudo get-apt install libc6 ?
14:28:45	LinusN	i guess "libc6-dev"
14:28:51	safetydan	sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
14:28:53	safetydan	probably
14:29:02	erus`	yes :P
14:29:27	safetydan	If you want to compile the sim, you'll also need libsdl1.2-dev
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14:39:44	erus`	sorry, does anyone know where i can get the tcl dev includes and stuff?
14:42:37	linuxstb	Try "apt-cache search tcl.*dev" to search for packages
14:43:06	erus`	thanks
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15:10:24	linuxstb	Would anyone know why my firefox has started displaying plain text files like this after a recent upgrade? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/firefox.png
15:10:42	linuxstb	I'm running firefox 1.5.0.1 on Debian unstable.
15:10:57	needleboy	tried changing the font size?
15:11:16	needleboy	looks like the line height is set to less than the font size...
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15:12:32	linuxstb	No - the text size doesn't affect it. It also only appears to happen with that one specific font. I've no idea how to change fonts in firefox though - I guess I should investigate that.
15:13:31	linuxstb	Don't worry, I've fixed it now. The font configuration wasn't that hard to find.....
15:13:50	B4gder	t0mas: not very far, darned work makes me have to work! ;*)
15:14:11	t0mas	ghehe, there is an easy solution for that...
15:14:22	Jungti1234__	hey B4gder
15:14:54	t0mas	e-mail to your boss..
15:15:29	B4gder	"Please mr boss. stop pestering me, I need to hack on Rockbox for the rest of the afternoon"
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15:16:06	linuxstb	You need to ask for more than an afternoon.... langv2, svn migration, distributed builds.....
15:16:33	B4gder	"and don't come telling me one afternoon is only today, I mean a looooong afternoon"
15:16:59	petur	"every afternoon" :)
15:17:03	midkay	hey LinusN?
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15:17:32	Jungti1234__	Please, kick Jungti1234...
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15:18:04	LinusN	midkay: yo
15:18:15	B4gder	Jungti1234__: it doesn't help you
15:18:20	midkay	LinusN, did you get my PM earlier?
15:18:20	B4gder	and I've told you that before
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15:18:44	LinusN	pm?
15:18:52	Jungti1234__	B4gder: When?
15:19:08	linuxstb	Jungti1234__: /msg nickserv ghost Jungtil1234 <password>
15:19:13	midkay	i was hoping you could send me that script to calculate x and y tables for the clock
15:19:19	midkay	do you still have it?
15:19:19	skwad	because if you kick Jungti1234 he stays connected and you can't take his name
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15:19:32	LinusN	midkay: no i don't
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15:19:36	Jungti1234__	yahoo
15:19:38	Jungti1234__	ah?
15:19:45	B4gder	midkay: perl script and sin()!
15:20:04	midkay	LinusN, argh :) thx anyways :)
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15:20:10	midkay	B4gder, if it's so easy, you do it! ;)
15:20:22	B4gder	give me 120 seconds
15:20:23	Jungti1234__	hoo...
15:20:42	midkay	haha.
15:21:26	Paul_The_Nerd	Ach
15:22:11	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Voice support not only doesn't work on iPod, but until you delete the voice file from your player, music stops working too even with all voice menu stuff set to "No".
15:22:58	linuxstb	I've never looked at it. Firstly, because I don't have any voice files, and secondly, I'm waiting for iriver users to tell me it's working reliably there before I attempt to debug any ipod-specific issues.
15:23:24	linuxstb	But I've seen that lots of blind users are now asking about it.
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15:23:33	B4gder	midkay: here it comes:
15:23:39	B4gder	$max = 64;
15:23:39	B4gder	$radius = 40;
15:23:39	B4gder	$center = 40;
15:23:46	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Yeah, I was more concerned about the "music playback no longer functions and gives data aborts" than the "It doesn't play voice entries" bit really
15:23:48	B4gder	$pi = 3.141565;
15:23:48	B4gder	for my $v (0 .. $max) {
15:23:48	B4gder	printf("%d\n", sin(($v * 2 $pi) / $max) $radius + $center);
15:23:52	B4gder	}
15:24:13	amiconn	midkay: I'd go for runtime calculation anyway. Too many display sizes nowadays to include static tables
15:24:14	B4gder	did I win anything? ;-)
15:24:24	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: I was thinking it may just be better to remove the menu entries until it doesn't incapacitate your player.
15:24:36	midkay	amiconn, exactly, i wanted to adapt it to C + put it in the clock..
15:24:46	Paul_The_Nerd	Though it seems it's the presence of the .voice file, rather than having it enabled, that messes things up...
15:24:48	midkay	B4gder, my eternal.. eh... 'gratitude' ;)
15:24:50	*	Paul_The_Nerd has no idea how the voice system works.
15:24:58	midkay	B4gder, thanks! :)
15:25:00	B4gder	yay
15:25:05	*	Paul_The_Nerd gives B4gder a cookie.
15:25:12	B4gder	my lucky day!
15:25:14	Paul_The_Nerd	It expires in 2036.
15:26:41	midkay	B4gder, wait - this calculates the X or Y? it doesn't seem to calculate both..
15:26:51	B4gder	its just one, yes
15:27:08	B4gder	for the other you just add a 1/4 lap or use cos()
15:27:22	midkay	B4gder, i'll try that - thanks again :)
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15:33:18	midkay	B4gder, NO! you get something even better. clean code!!!!! [whispers from the other users]
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15:37:16	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: I would prefer to just document somewhere (e.g. IpodStatus) the features that don't work in the ipod port, rather than disabling them in the code. That way no-one will forget about them.
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15:37:32	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: That works to. :)
15:37:57	*	Paul_The_Nerd wanders over to that page.
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15:41:45	linuxstb	amiconn: You mentioned last night that fire.c didn't need to put a #ifdef around gray.h because gray.h itself was "protected" - but looking at gray.h, the only #if is #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP.
15:42:07	linuxstb	But looking at gray.h, it doesn't look as if it would do any harm to always include anyway.
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15:53:16	amiconn	linuxstb: Your're right, seems I confused the #ifdef in gray.h and in plugins/lib/SOURCES
15:53:35	amiconn	Still, including it doesn't really hurt
15:53:46	amiconn	A number of other plugins does that
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16:02:45	muesli-	re
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16:07:15	skwad	muesli-: where are you from ?
16:07:34	muesli-	germania
16:08:11	skwad	ok
16:09:49	skwad	what does "re" signify ?
16:10:05	muesli-	i m back
16:10:09	Paul_The_Nerd	REturned.
16:10:12	Paul_The_Nerd	Or something similar
16:10:16	muesli-	yepp
16:10:19	muesli-	that would fit
16:10:19	skwad	because i'm french and "re" signify that im back but i dont understand where it come from
16:10:35	skwad	oh yes Paul_The_Nerd you're right
16:10:45	muesli-	back for chatting ;-)
16:11:35	skwad	"bfr" ^^
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16:22:19	Lynx_	why does H340 boot into the iriver firmware when the charger is connected?
16:23:03	Paul_The_Nerd	Because that's just the way it works for now.
16:23:21	Paul_The_Nerd	Not everything related to USB handling/charging is known yet, so the behaviour there has some limitations.
16:23:28	Lynx_	ok
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16:25:00	mirak	hum
16:25:23	mirak	is it normal that when you record in mono with H300 you still get a stereo wav file ?
16:25:29	mirak	that channels are duplicated though
16:26:14	linuxstb	hehe. Seems that the forum software at forums.ilounge.com has a function that changes any capitalisation of "ipod" into "iPod" - even in URLs. So no-one can link to our Wiki pages that start with "Ipod" :)
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16:27:27	petur	mirak: talking about internal mic recording?
16:27:36	mirak	petur: external
16:28:07	petur	can't remember that mono recording is implemented
16:28:19	petur	the wav will always be stereo
16:28:31	petur	I guess it's 'to do'
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16:30:34	ripnetuk	hi. are we allowed to abuse the menu_run return result for things other than usb plugged in? i want my menu to close when an item is selected. It seems that it would work if my menu selected function just returned true, but a comment in menu.h implies that this should only be used to indicate usb plugged in.
16:34:14	ripnetuk	anyone home? :-)
16:34:30	petur	no, at work :P
16:35:21	ripnetuk	:)
16:35:26	ripnetuk	or should we use menu_show directly?
16:35:43	linuxstb	preglow: Would the person on the mailing list attempting to build a 64MB version of Rockbox for the iPod 5G need to adjust the memory remapping code?
16:36:08	petur	ripnetuk: I don't know that part of rb at all
16:36:53	Paul_The_Nerd	ripnetuk: What comment are you tlaking about?
16:37:15	ripnetuk	i want a menu in rockbox that will close the menu when an item is selected.
16:37:33	ripnetuk	atm it will run the menu function code, and then keep displaying the menu (until you press menu exit key)
16:38:00	ripnetuk	if my menu function returns true, it will close the menu, but from the source it looks like its designed for that to indicated USB plugged in to the calling code.
16:38:19	ripnetuk	is it un-rockbox-ish to mis-use the return value to force it to close the menu?
16:38:44	ripnetuk	sorry, the comment in menu.h l112
16:38:47	Paul_The_Nerd	ripnetuk: Out of curiosity, what are you doing that should exit the menu when called?
16:39:04	LinusN	well, i've been wanting to change the return value from the menu functions for years
16:39:50	LinusN	a bool is simply not enough nowadays
16:40:27	ripnetuk	yeah, it would be nice to have more return values
16:40:44	ripnetuk	but that takes time... btw im trying to recode the bookmark screen so it displays a menu
16:41:05	ripnetuk	instead of the custom load bookmark screen. My ultimate goal is to get bookmark selecting working on the ihp remote
16:41:14	ripnetuk	so i dont have to remove the unit from my pocket to play a bookmark :)
16:43:14	ripnetuk	would you agree in principle to changing the bookmark screen to a normal menu?
16:43:17	LinusN	you have my blessing to extend the return type of the menus
16:43:22	LinusN	gotta go
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16:44:37	*	ripnetuk thinks that this is a job for later - menus are used EVERYWHERE
16:44:46	ripnetuk	i will just return true for now :)
16:45:14	amiconn	I think some menus already do this
16:45:21	amiconn	Check e.g. the context menu
16:45:51	amiconn	But, I doubt a simple menu is enough for displaying the bookmarks
16:45:55	ripnetuk	wouldnt suprise me... the bool gets back to the run_menu call anyway, and my run_menu certainly doesnt do anythign special for usb..
16:45:59	ripnetuk	why?
16:46:15	amiconn	There's more than just one action possible with bookmarks, and a bookmark might contain more than one resume point
16:46:22	ripnetuk	i was thinking a menu with options 1-8 for the first 8 resume points,
16:46:37	ripnetuk	option 9 is more boomkarks (eg the next 8)
16:46:40	amiconn	You might eiither want to run the bookmark, or delete it
16:46:43	ripnetuk	option 10 is delete bookmark
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16:46:52	ripnetuk	which brings up a sub-menu of all bookmarks to delete
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16:47:42	ripnetuk	do you think that is OK from a user point of view?
16:47:56	amiconn	Sounds cumbersome to ooperate...
16:48:27	ripnetuk	maybe... maybe we need a more flexable gui_yesno type thing
16:48:40	amiconn	You don't need to hard-limit the menu, btw
16:49:03	ripnetuk	dont you? i thought it had to be an array, and we have no malloc
16:49:21	ripnetuk	so surely we need struct menu_item items[MAX_ITEMS] type thing?
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16:49:54	ripnetuk	or perhaps a special gui_bookmark?
16:50:24	amiconn	We have no malloc, but __builtin_alloca() works
16:51:01	amiconn	You know how many items are in a bookmark file before building the menu
16:51:06	ripnetuk	yes
16:51:14	amiconn	Of course there has to be a sane upper limit
16:51:23	amiconn	...to avoid stack overflow
16:51:37	ripnetuk	i didnt know about the builtub_alloca
16:51:39	ripnetuk	builtin
16:51:53	ripnetuk	i thought there was a strong feeling towards static buffers here?
16:52:28	ripnetuk	anyway, if you reckon its cumersome it probly wont fly anyway
16:53:44	amiconn	Well if you need more than what fits on the stack, there's only the static buffer left without malloc()
16:54:14	amiconn	If the stack is sufficient, you can either use a plain array, or alloca
16:54:19	ripnetuk	you you prefer a dedicated gui_bookmark or a menu then?
16:54:28	linuxstb	Doesn't the gui system have a "list" widget, which is based on callbacks to get labels for each item?
16:54:47	ripnetuk	does it? /me looks
16:54:54	linuxstb	I think the file browser uses it.
16:55:16	ripnetuk	that sounds more suitable than the menu code then...
16:56:34	ripnetuk	right, back to the drawing board :)
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17:00:21	B4gder	hey you should commit more!
17:00:30	*	B4gder wants to see the blazing build speeds
17:01:00	petur	certainly blazing when non-source stuff gets committed :D
17:01:34	B4gder	I added another server during the afternoon
17:01:45	petur	woohoo
17:02:00	*	B4gder scans his work for more servers
17:02:11	*	Paul_The_Nerd cheers for the distributed build system.
17:02:55	linuxstb	Has the distributed build system gone live now?
17:03:08	*	linuxstb hasn't been paying attention
17:03:15	B4gder	yes
17:03:26	B4gder	the cvs table on the site is now the distributed one
17:03:50	linuxstb	And very nice and green it is looking as well.
17:04:24	B4gder	Green is Good (tm)
17:04:30	skwad	^^
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17:07:17	webguest74	Hello all
17:08:08	B4gder	hello webguest
17:08:17	webguest74	I just noticed there is one contact plugin in the tracker, and according to the comments, this plugin follow the Rockbox rules
17:08:25	webguest74	what do you think about ?
17:09:16	webguest74	our DAPs aren't PDAs but contact plugin could be definitively great for Rockbox
17:10:14	Paul_The_Nerd	They could be with a slight rotation.
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17:10:29	webguest74	moo :-)
17:11:00	Paul_The_Nerd	Sorry, bad joke I guess, but PDA and DAP are one character of rotation from each other.
17:11:05	webguest74	any developer here have one opninon about this plugin?
17:11:27	webguest74	Paul: I understood, good joke :D
17:11:35	petur	it should use some standardised format... does it?
17:11:42	Paul_The_Nerd	It does
17:12:20	petur	also understood by programs from the windows world?
17:12:33	Paul_The_Nerd	I think the only thing I don't like about it, from reading the description, is that it grabs the audio buffer, so it'd stop playback. I think that's not exactly ideal.
17:12:44	webguest74	it's true
17:12:58	petur	don't want that either
17:13:09	webguest74	but if you want one good amount of contact it's maybe the way to go
17:13:31	webguest74	the number of contact was limited before this buffer usage
17:13:46	petur	no... you can read from disk....
17:13:49	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah
17:13:52	linuxstb	You don't need to read every piece of data about every contact into memory - requiring disk accesses during use wouldn't be unreasonable.
17:13:55	webguest74	106->5652
17:14:03	Paul_The_Nerd	That was what I was about to say. Load a list of contact names, then when one is selected, load that one from disk.
17:14:11	Paul_The_Nerd	Don't load full information until an actual contact is chosen.
17:14:31	webguest74	linuxstb: is that need a lot of code changes?
17:14:59	webguest74	in regard to the current approach
17:15:08	linuxstb	Well, it will be more complicated to implement than the current approach.
17:15:10	*	Paul_The_Nerd wonders idly how many contacts would fit in a 60gb 5G iPod's memory.
17:15:28	webguest74	linuxstb: Ouch :(
17:15:38	webguest74	haha :)
17:15:51	Slasheri	Bagder: Hmm, how much the new build system requires transfering files, a few megabytes? I could add my dual xeon 2.4 GHz server with 2/2M connection to that system
17:16:11	webguest74	Slasheri: Bagder just said moo
17:16:15	webguest74	you missed him
17:16:22	Slasheri	oh, yes i did
17:16:34	webguest74	but ask T0mas ;)
17:16:46	linuxstb	Slasheri: My home PC is (I hope) a helpful part of the build system, and that only has a 512kbit/s upload.
17:16:49	lostlogic	Slasheri: I believe you already have more BW than the rockbox server (the same?) so that would probably be worth adding.
17:16:58	t0mas	hm?
17:17:08	Slasheri	lostlogic: ah, sounds good
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17:17:26	t0mas	<Slasheri> Bagder: Hmm, how much the new build system requires transfering files, a few megabytes? I could add my dual xeon 2.4 GHz server with 2/2M connection to that system
17:17:29	t0mas	sounds good
17:18:01	t0mas	you need help installing?
17:18:14	Slasheri	t0mas: Hmm, in fact i don
17:18:18	Slasheri	ups
17:18:26	Slasheri	i don't know yet where to start :)
17:18:30	t0mas	ok
17:18:32	webguest74	Slasheri: isn't you the Tagcache man?
17:18:43	t0mas	I'll explain in PM..
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17:18:49	Slasheri	that build system thing is completely new to me
17:18:50	Slasheri	ok, thanks
17:18:54	Slasheri	webguest74: yes
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17:19:19	webguest74	Slasheri: are the things evoluted a bit those days?
17:19:49	linuxstb	Slasheri: The hardest work is installing all the cross-compilers and making the server capable of building as many of the targets as possible. The distributed-build stuff itself is relatively simple.
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17:21:32	webguest74	Slasheri?
17:24:59	Slasheri	webguest74: no, but will when i get that time :)
17:25:23	webguest74	good reply :)
17:25:37	webguest74	we all hope too
17:26:28	webguest74	like B4gder said: "time to say moo"
17:26:29	amiconn	t0mas: What if there are more than 34 servers in the distributed build system?
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17:26:38	amiconn	(with the current number of builds)
17:26:43	t0mas	amiconn: it will take the first 34 that respond
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17:30:49	t0mas	and respond includes cvs update
17:31:04	t0mas	so the 34 that have cvs updated... and are online... take the first 34 builds
17:31:11	t0mas	all others will just do nothing
17:31:56	linuxstb	What's the current number of servers?
17:34:07	t0mas	3
17:34:13	t0mas	erm 4
17:34:19	t0mas	just installed a new one
17:34:26	t0mas	and I'm now busy installing the 5th
17:35:56	linuxstb	Have you worked out what would be optimum number of servers? Or would 34 be the optimum number?
17:36:29	linuxstb	I'm guessing the bandwidth on rockbox.org will soon be the bottleneck.
17:36:32	t0mas	hm.. that's a good question
17:36:49	t0mas	we have 1 server on the same net as the rockbox.org server
17:37:09	t0mas	and ofcourse the main server itself... those 2 take no time for transfere... so they'll do a lot of builds
17:37:33	t0mas	the ideal number of servers is hard to calculate...
17:38:35	Lynx_	how long does it take to build everything now?
17:38:49	t0mas	"34 builds in 526 seconds makes 15 seconds/build"
17:39:23	t0mas	8 minutes 46 seconds was the last build
17:39:28	Lynx_	ah
17:39:36	Lynx_	and that is too long?
17:39:43	t0mas	that is way faster than before
17:39:56	t0mas	but faster is always better...
17:39:57	amiconn	I guess some more servers would increase reliability
17:40:00	Lynx_	ah, no, i meant how long it took before
17:40:20	t0mas	the last old-system build took over 63 minutes
17:40:29	Lynx_	ok, that is long
17:41:11	petur	t0mas: don't tell me, that last long build was for me....
17:41:21	t0mas	ghehe
17:41:38	t0mas	you could have checked www.rockbox.org/~tomas/daily.shtml
17:41:43	t0mas	we had this in beta for a week there ;)
17:41:50	petur	damn!
17:42:09	petur	I stayed up quite some time to check the end result....
17:42:19	Jungti1234__	um
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17:43:41	petur	congratulations Jungti1234
17:43:50	Jungti1234	haha thanks
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18:04:25	mirak	anyone heard of a website with documentation about the various sound effects ?
18:04:31	mirak	like normalisation etcetera
18:04:42	mirak	I am googling, but can't find a bible
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18:18:47	webguest60	I just installed latest cvs on iriver ihp 140, works nicely.
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18:27:13	nobelium	can anyone tell me the best way to do a translation?
18:27:40	infamis	anyone know how to install sdl if you don't already have it...under linux?
18:27:49	skwad	download cvs and open .lang file
18:28:13	skwad	infamis i think you have to get the source and make it
18:28:20	Paul_The_Nerd	nobelium: Get the english.lang file (or any one in a language you understand) and start working your way through it, replacing entries.
18:28:30	nobelium	yup
18:28:32	linuxstb	infamis: Which Linux distribution do you have?
18:28:37	nobelium	I'm using english.lng
18:28:38	infamis	redhat 9
18:28:40	nobelium	that's alright?
18:28:47	Paul_The_Nerd	It should be, I believe
18:28:55	infamis	I get "fatal: no available video device" after a successful make/make install when running rockboxui
18:29:04	nobelium	can you recommend any good editor?
18:29:07	infamis	make/make install of sdl
18:29:22	nobelium	I used notepad but it has weird formatation (spaces and paragraphs)
18:29:30	nobelium	rockbox didn't recognize it after my translation
18:29:50	skwad	nobelium: i think you have to take english.lang and not english.lng
18:29:58	nobelium	just read it on wiki
18:30:01	nobelium	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile
18:30:06	nobelium	thanks :=)
18:30:31	nobelium	btw, wanted your opinion on this: bootloader USB mode won't work on my iriver h340
18:30:47	nobelium	should I fill out as a bug or am I doing something wrong?
18:30:55	infamis	I brought it up yesterday, someone told me to add sdl to the crosscompile twiki, I wake up & see linus deleted it
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18:31:35	skwad	nobelium: I don't know i haven't an iriver, you have to wait for the others to answer
18:32:00	nobelium	but it is suposed to show up on windows the connection, right?
18:32:09	nobelium	I'm only able to connect via USB after booting rockbox
18:32:21	nobelium	therefor removing that great option of recovering a bad disc
18:32:21	Paul_The_Nerd	nobelium: Try just using wordpad, and english.lang.
18:32:39	linuxstb	nobelium: I _think_ that's a known issue. Are you running the very latest version of the bootloader (whichever one is the newest on the wiki page) ?
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18:33:26	nobelium	to be honest I'm not it's the most recent version
18:33:30	nobelium	it's v5 for sure
18:33:52	nobelium	I used the fwpatcher to patch my 1.29K firmware
18:33:58	nobelium	and that was yesterday
18:34:46	linuxstb	I know that some people in the past have complained that bootloader usb mode doesn't work reliably on the h3x0 - but I don't know if the latest bootloader version fixes it or not.
18:35:07	nobelium	sorry for this, but I can't find a bootloader version on wiki
18:35:18	nobelium	only the latest cvs build on 'downloads'
18:35:34	nobelium	ah
18:35:36	nobelium	iriverboot
18:35:44	skwad	perhaps that : http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300-20060227.zip
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18:36:09	linuxstb	nobelium: Yes, v5 seems to be the latest.
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18:36:20	linuxstb	(for the h3x0)
18:36:27	nobelium	yup, just confirmed too
18:36:38	nobelium	skwad, that's the rockbox installation afaik
18:36:43	nobelium	does not contain the bootloader
18:36:56	linuxstb	LinusN should know the answer, but he's not around.
18:37:23	nobelium	alright, thanks guys
18:37:28	skwad	yes nobelium i just saw this
18:39:09	nobelium	as far as I understood, the newlang.lang has to be submitted for approval
18:39:18	nobelium	and then "compiled" to newlang.lng?
18:39:43	*	Paul_The_Nerd wishes he had more PM inbox capacity on the forum.
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18:40:40	skwad	i think you can juste compile it if it's for personal use
18:40:58	skwad	but if you want it to be public somebody has to do it on cvs
18:41:19	skwad	which lang are you making ?
18:42:38	skwad	portugal :D
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18:42:58	skwad	portugues is already here
18:43:20	nobelium	yes
18:43:21	nobelium	portuguese
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18:44:09	skwad	there is already portuguese
18:44:19	nobelium	well, I saw the current translation
18:44:27	nobelium	and doesn't seem really good
18:44:31	nobelium	seems more brazilian to me
18:44:41	skwad	^^
18:44:59	amiconn	nobelium: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile
18:45:14	nobelium	yes, already saw that thanks :)
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18:46:42	linuxstb	The Portuguese translation doesn't look as if it's been touched for about 3 years - so an update is long overdue.
18:47:27	amiconn	A lot of translations into languages rockbox claims to 'support' are way outdated and cover only a fraction of all strings
18:47:37	*	amiconn should update German asap
18:47:47	nobelium	ah
18:47:50	nobelium	thought so
18:48:00	Paul_The_Nerd	That should be a step in the next release, trimming too badly outdated languages.
18:48:06	amiconn	I intended to wait until after my .lang cleanup, but there's already a lot of strings missing
18:48:43	nobelium	anyone got upload perl script there?
18:49:09	nobelium	got it
18:49:12	nobelium	thanks :p
18:49:33	nobelium	I noticed another thing
18:49:44	nobelium	USB mode under rockbox "overlays" the current theme
18:49:54	nobelium	the usb icon messes up the themes
18:50:22	nobelium	probably a question of priority of layers
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18:54:25	skwad	lol someone just updated the korean language file
18:55:17	nobelium	hmm
18:55:21	nobelium	thought so
18:55:28	nobelium	language file needs to be compiled
18:56:08	nobelium	anyone able to do that for me, under linux?
18:56:10	markun	amiconn: what about the voice strings? Should they be left empty in a translation file if they are not translated?
18:56:44	nobelium	was going to ask that also eheh
18:57:29	linuxstb	markun: Have you seen the mailing list post about unicode and strncmp/strncasecmp ?
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18:58:23	skwad	nobelium i can do it under windows is it a problem ?
18:58:27	markun	linuxstb: no. I'll take a look
18:58:37	nobelium	no, not at all :)
18:58:41	nobelium	how do you run it thought?
18:58:42	nobelium	cygwin?
18:58:45	skwad	yes
18:58:53	nobelium	alright, can you do it for me then?
18:58:58	skwad	yes
18:59:01	nobelium	thanks a lot
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19:00:12	markun	linuxstb: which post are you talking about? Can't find it.
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19:01:19	_SuperSnout_	hey =)
19:01:36	_SuperSnout_	does anyone know about rockdoom?
19:01:38	linuxstb	markun: It's a little misleading - "proper directory sorting" on the dev list.
19:02:21	_SuperSnout_	I'm a bit confused about a couple of things..
19:03:05	t0mas	buildtimes are still decreasing :)
19:03:19	t0mas	down from 8:46 to 8:07
19:03:31	t0mas	ccache has started to do its job on the new server
19:03:39	markun	linuxstb: looks like Bluechip is talking about something completely different :)
19:03:52	skwad	nobelium: check your pm
19:04:05	linuxstb	Yes - I was curious about how easy/hard it would be to do the kind of sorting the original poster requested.
19:04:19	amiconn	nobelium: Voice strings should be translated if the .lang file should be usable for generating a .voice file
19:04:27	linuxstb	I'm assuming it's not trivial to sort utf8 like that.
19:04:27	nobelium	alright
19:04:32	nobelium	skaw, where :)?
19:04:37	amiconn	Of course that requires a TTS engine for that language
19:06:21	skwad	in irc
19:06:30	amiconn	It's important that voice strings which are empty in english.lang are left empty in all other languages
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19:06:57	amiconn	Not doing that would unnecessarily increase voice file size
19:07:05	markun	linuxstb: one of the problems is that sorting is language dependent: http://www.rostra.dk/alphabet/alpha_en.htm
19:07:57	nobelium	ah skwad
19:08:01	nobelium	need to register nick
19:08:55	t0mas	lol, the dutch police has lost a "radar speed check camera" today
19:09:14	_SuperSnout_	..does any know about rockdoom?
19:09:23	t0mas	the officiers where watching it from some distance, and enjoying their lunch... while caching a lot of money for the government
19:09:35	t0mas	suddenly someone stopped, picked up the camera en drove off again
19:09:43	linuxstb	markun: I wouldn't want to program a sorting algorithm that obeyed those rules...
19:09:44	_SuperSnout_	i'm a bit confused about a couple of things..
19:09:55	t0mas	leaving the officers astonished...
19:09:59	_SuperSnout_	skwad?
19:10:00	linuxstb	_SuperSnout_: You said that before - just ask your question.
19:10:06	_SuperSnout_	sorry =(
19:10:09	skwad	so nobelium when you have finished just mail it me and I will send you the compiled back
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19:10:14	_SuperSnout_	i'll do that next time..
19:10:22	linuxstb	:)
19:10:27	nobelium	can you give me your email on pm?
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19:11:48	bluey	i want my hje70 headphone's :(
19:12:18	_SuperSnout_	well basically.. it's to do with the different files.. doom.iriver.. doom.rock.. and rockbox.iriver..
19:12:54	_SuperSnout_	i know that doom.rock starts the game..
19:13:08	_SuperSnout_	i can put that in the game\doom\ folder right?
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19:13:48	_SuperSnout_	..and then there's the other two files.. i think doom.iriver boots the player into a patched version of rockbox.. is this right?
19:14:22	_SuperSnout_	and then there's rockbox.iriver that is used to boot when the player starts.. right?
19:15:02	Paul_The_Nerd	_SuperSnout_: Umm... doom.rock is the game plugin, which goes in the rocks folder under .rockbox.
19:15:19	Paul_The_Nerd	_SuperSnout_: I'm not sure what doom.iriver is, I would assume that's a construct of the optimized build.
19:15:22	skwad	nobelium: did you receive my pm ?
19:15:26	nobelium	nop ;7
19:15:35	skwad	then wait i register
19:16:00	nobelium	wait
19:16:01	nobelium	done
19:16:02	nobelium	:)
19:16:05	amiconn	nobelium: You can convert the .lang into a .lng yourself. Apart from your .lang and english.lang you only need a working perl installation and the binlang script from the rockbox sources
19:16:17	nobelium	I have a working perl installation
19:16:21	nobelium	is binlang perl?
19:16:21	nobelium	sec
19:16:26	_SuperSnout_	okay.. that's good.. at the moment i have those 3 files cluttering up my root directory.. i want to know where i can put them..
19:16:29	nobelium	ah
19:16:29	nobelium	it is
19:16:33	amiconn	nobelium: yes
19:16:44	markun	linuxstb: more fun: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/
19:16:57	Paul_The_Nerd	_SuperSnout_: I would assume doom.iriver is, as you said, a patched version of the firmware. But doom.rock should go with the rest of the plugins. I don't think doom.iriver needs to be anywhere specific.
19:17:13	Paul_The_Nerd	_SuperSnout_: But rockbox.iriver needs to be in the root or in .rockbox for it to be found on boot.
19:17:25	_SuperSnout_	and someone mentioned to me that I could just make my player boot from doom.iriver as default to save me having to run it before running the game each time (otherwise when running doom.rock it says "incompatable")
19:18:00	skwad	nobelium: now you should have received my pm
19:18:07	_SuperSnout_	would i just rename doom.iriver to rockbox.iriver?
19:18:10	nobelium	thanks skwa
19:18:12	Paul_The_Nerd	Yup
19:18:18	_SuperSnout_	sounds good..
19:18:20	nobelium	*skwad
19:18:23	nobelium	I got the script working
19:18:24	nobelium	:)
19:18:28	skwad	ok
19:18:42	_SuperSnout_	do the .iriver files contain you're settings and things? or are they stored somewhere else?
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19:19:16	_SuperSnout_	and does booting in iriver firmware clear your rockbox settings? (i know it clears the clock time)
19:20:37	safetydan	_SuperSnout_, settings are stored in a disk sector so, no, they're not stored in the rockbox.iriver file
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19:21:47	_SuperSnout_	that's good.. so the .iriver files are very basic files.. so it doesn't matter if you replace them..
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19:22:31	egotrippen	,11can i ask after getting a tiny l'il patch committed?
19:22:40	Mikachu	only if you don't use color
19:22:45	skwad	^^
19:22:48	mirak	it would be nice to have an automatic gain limiter when in record mode
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19:23:04	safetydan	_SuperSnout_, well... they do contain the Rockbox "operating system" basically
19:23:28	safetydan	egotrippen, which patch?
19:23:50	egotrippen	,11the one i had yesterday, to keep .rockbox and such hidden but display files with two or three dots
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19:24:01	egotrippen	,11it's literally a line of code
19:24:19	_SuperSnout_	so i can just stick rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder yeah? top level?
19:25:16	_SuperSnout_	good.. now my root folder is cleared up =)
19:25:19	safetydan	_SuperSnout_, no it must be in /
19:25:22	_SuperSnout_	apart from...
19:25:24	safetydan	otherwise no booting for you
19:25:29	_SuperSnout_	oh.. where must it be?
19:25:34	nobelium	line 428/3781 damn :p
19:25:53	_SuperSnout_	where is /?
19:25:57	safetydan	_SuperSnout_, you have to have a rockbox.iriver file in the top level of your file system
19:26:10	Paul_The_Nerd	safetydan: No, it can be in .rockbox too
19:26:29	safetydan	Paul_The_Nerd, oh? When did that change?
19:26:45	Paul_The_Nerd	About bootloader v3 or v4 for H300, I think. Maybe v5
19:26:49	safetydan	oo... now I remember something about it ages ago
19:26:54	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, it was a while ago
19:27:00	nobelium	id: LANG_ID3_TRACKNUM
19:27:02	nobelium	desc: in wps
19:27:03	_SuperSnout_	"But rockbox.iriver needs to be in the root or in .rockbox for it to be found on boot"
19:27:04	nobelium	eng: "[Tracknum]"
19:27:05	Paul_The_Nerd	It does require the newest bootloader on H120 though
19:27:06	nobelium	voice: ""
19:27:08	nobelium	new:
19:27:09	nobelium	should I translate this?
19:27:10	t0mas	egotrippen: can you disable those colors?
19:27:14	_SuperSnout_	can it not be in .rockbox then?
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19:27:29	_SuperSnout_	ok.. good =)
19:27:49	_SuperSnout_	seems annoying to have rockbox.iriver sitting in your root..
19:27:52	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:27:52	*	safetydan wonders when the build will change to do that by default
19:27:56	_SuperSnout_	anyway.. one more thing..
19:27:58	safetydan	_SuperSnout_, you can have it hidden
19:28:06	_SuperSnout_	oh.. okay
19:28:33	safetydan	Just set "Show Files" to "Music"
19:28:36	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, if you make a file "Hidden" it won't show in "Supported" only "Show all files"
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19:28:53	Paul_The_Nerd	safetydan: They're just waiting to have a relatively high confidence everyone has a new enough bootloader.
19:29:01	_SuperSnout_	but yeah.. when you run doom.iriver for the first time it creats the folder games/doom.. containing all the .wad files for the game..
19:29:24	_SuperSnout_	ah yeah.. so i could make that folder hidden right =)
19:29:28	linuxstb	Where did you get this doom.iriver from?
19:29:39	_SuperSnout_	it's on the misticriver boards
19:29:42	_SuperSnout_	called rockdoom
19:29:51	_SuperSnout_	amazing =D
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19:30:04	_SuperSnout_	what player do you have linux?
19:30:20	linuxstb	As far as I know, the latest version of Doom doesn't require a special .iriver file - it will work with a standard rockbox.iriver
19:30:44	linuxstb	_SuperSnout_: Various - an Archos Recorder, iriver H140 and a couple of ipods
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19:31:09	mirak	linuxstb: I am not sure it's even worse bothering to record compressed audio.
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19:31:11	_SuperSnout_	ok.. cool
19:31:14	mirak	worth
19:31:28	egotrippen	sorry about the colors - i couldn't figure out how to turn them off with Trillian
19:31:30	egotrippen	on the web client now
19:31:41	t0mas	ok
19:31:45	mirak	I recorded two shows, and the sound is way better without lossy compression, and also it drains less battery I think
19:32:09	linuxstb	mirak: Personally I agree, but some people care more about disk space than anything else - they just want a small, low-quality recording of something.
19:32:09	_SuperSnout_	well with my rockdoom.. which i got of the official misticriver rockdoom thread.. when i start doom.rock while in the standard rockbox boot it says "incompatable device"
19:32:11	Paul_The_Nerd	mirak: Lossy compression though is helpful if you've got like, less than 100mb free on your player or something
19:32:30	t0mas	yeah, or if you have to record long conversations...
19:32:49	mirak	Paul_The_Nerd: well in that case I don't mind removing music folders since I already have them :p
19:32:49	linuxstb	_SuperSnout_: Yes, it won't work with the "official" rockbox.iriver, but you could use the H300 optimised build, which comes with Doom.
19:33:00	mirak	Paul_The_Nerd: on hard drive
19:33:33	_SuperSnout_	oh.. so doom.iriver isn't a special .iriver file.. it's just the standard optimised build.. ok
19:33:36	linuxstb	But if lossless wavpack recording was available, then I would probably use it instead of wav.
19:33:36	mirak	Paul_The_Nerd: but well why not yes, who can do more can do less
19:33:40	Paul_The_Nerd	mirak: I agree, but it still seems like it may as well be an option, since it was with the original FW on iRivers at least.
19:34:01	_SuperSnout_	i've changed doom.iriver to be called rockbox.iriver and deleted the old one so i should be all set right?
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19:34:04	mirak	Paul_The_Nerd: yep. it could be interesting for internal mic recording
19:34:06	Paul_The_Nerd	_SuperSnout_: Really, it's an older build from before the doom patch was working properly
19:34:23	mirak	Paul_The_Nerd: you don't need quality for that.
19:34:27	Paul_The_Nerd	_SuperSnout_: You should just get the newest optimized build, which should include doom, and not require you to switch.
19:34:50	mirak	linuxstb: I would try to see wich one drains less battery.
19:34:51	Paul_The_Nerd	mirak: Yeah, I use the internal mic to take notes to myself, when I'm brainstorming for writing while I'm out. Just voice.
19:35:01	_SuperSnout_	well isn't doom.iriver the new optimized build? it came with doom.rock.. =S
19:35:15	linuxstb	_SuperSnout_: I agree with Paul_The_Nerd - delete the rockbox.iriver, the doom.iriver, the doom.rock, and your .rockbox folder, and then just install the latest version of the h300 optimised build.
19:35:17	mirak	linuxstb: in fact there is not that much disk spins when recording lossless
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19:35:27	_SuperSnout_	if i'm booting with doom.iriver i shouldn't have to switch right/
19:35:52	mirak	Paul_The_Nerd: yes, for that usage, little drive usage can lead to better reactivity
19:36:12	linuxstb	_SuperSnout_: The problem will be that all the other plugins (.rock files) will probably be compiled to work with your rockbox.iriver
19:36:39	linuxstb	And your doom.rock will be compiled to work with your doom.iriver.
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19:37:01	nobelium	do you guys recommend the cache dir option?
19:37:03	linuxstb	But if you get the optimised build, it will come with a single rockbox.iriver, and both the existing plugins, and Doom will work with that.
19:37:09	nobelium	what are the main disadvantages? besides slower boot time
19:37:34	_SuperSnout_	where is this optimised build?
19:37:47	linuxstb	On the misticriver.net forums - you won't be able to miss it...
19:37:56	nobelium	http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34725
19:38:06	petur	nobelium: dircache is recommended
19:38:23	petur	less hdd spinning when browsing for files
19:38:30	nobelium	hey, wrong link
19:38:31	nobelium	http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34725
19:38:36	linuxstb	nobelium: The dircache will use more memory (meaning less audio can be buffered), but that is offset by the fact that the disk spins up less during browsing...
19:38:58	nobelium	how will it affect updates to dirs?
19:39:02	egotrippen	anyone else notice the optimized build acting a little slower than the regular daily build?
19:39:21	petur	I'm not surprised
19:39:35	petur	it's not optimized, it's experimental
19:39:41	egotrippen	yeah
19:39:47	petur	and loads of gui stuff
19:40:02	nobelium	I'm gonna try and do a stripped down version
19:40:04	egotrippen	i stick to daily for the most part, too many bells and whistles. most of the WPS patches have been committed anyway
19:40:07	nobelium	without all those games
19:40:29	nobelium	it has some good ones, but dap's weren't made for game player
19:40:37	egotrippen	yeah
19:40:43	nobelium	keys will loose durability in some weeks
19:40:45	Paul_The_Nerd	nobelium: The games won't affect the performance anyway. It's all the other patches.
19:40:59	Paul_The_Nerd	nobelium: All they affect is the size of the .zip you're downloading.
19:41:04	nobelium	it still has to load like 30+ plugins
19:41:10	nobelium	and read their .cfg files
19:41:15	nobelium	and check the proper paths
19:41:58	nobelium	but it has some nice features thought, like cover art
19:42:09	egotrippen	yeah
19:42:15	Paul_The_Nerd	The plugins aren't really loaded until you load them, I thought.
19:42:25	egotrippen	it's annoying though, because a bunch of WPSs get made and then the code changes
19:42:35	_SuperSnout_	linux: all i see is the rockbox optimised dicussion thread.. no links..
19:42:47	egotrippen	snout: it's a stick
19:42:49	egotrippen	sticky
19:42:50	nobelium	Yes, that is truth, but rockbox has to read their cfg entry to list them under "Browse Plugins"
19:42:58	nobelium	http://rbh300.chendo.net/RockBoxH300Optimized-200602230015-v0.62.zip
19:43:05	nobelium	that's the latest version
19:43:18	nobelium	Paul_The_Nerd, should I translate id: LANG_ID3_TRACKNUM?
19:43:25	linuxstb	No - the "browse plugins" option just reads the list of .rock files in the .rockbox/rocks/ directory.
19:43:26	Mikachu	what cfg entry?
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19:43:56	nobelium	ah alright..I guess that it doesn't affect perforamance as much as I thought
19:44:13	linuxstb	No, the number of plugins has no effect on normal Rockbox use.
19:44:39	nobelium	well, going to play football with friends..thanks for the help/opinions :)
19:44:42	nobelium	be back later
19:46:10	egotrippen	i still wanna bother someone about my tiny filename patch
19:46:25	Mikachu	if you put it in the tracker, all you have to do is wait
19:46:41	egotrippen	alright
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19:46:55	egotrippen	it's in, someone said i should also try to catch some devs online and mention it
19:47:23	Mikachu	oh okay
19:48:48	_SuperSnout_	"Remapping of NAVI Button to turn on the backlight if it's off, instead of performing it's normal function." great =D
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19:51:36	Paul_The_Nerd	Wee! It looks like rockboy has a small endianness problem.
19:52:19	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: I thought rockboy worked OK on the Archos players?
19:53:00	Paul_The_Nerd	It's just the colors
19:53:07	Paul_The_Nerd	It needs a betoh()
19:53:20	Paul_The_Nerd	Since the archos are grayscale, it's probably not as noticeable.
19:53:27	Paul_The_Nerd	Or something?
19:53:49	linuxstb	That's not really an endian problem - it's just different LCD framebuffer formats. The video ipod is the same as the H300, and 4g Color/Nano are byte-swapped.
19:53:52	Paul_The_Nerd	There's screenshots of it in the forum. I'm guessing it's endianness at least
19:53:59	Paul_The_Nerd	Aaah
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19:54:07	Paul_The_Nerd	Or that.
19:54:18	linuxstb	But yes - that seems the problem.
19:54:47	linuxstb	I'm guessing the colours are being packed into RGB565 "manually", rather than using the LCD_RGBPACK() macro.
19:55:02	*	linuxstb goes to look
19:55:08	Paul_The_Nerd	Gotcha
19:55:21	super	i'm extracting the daily build to my root folder as we speak..
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19:55:42	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: A quick grep shows the LCD_RGBPACK macro isn't being used....
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19:56:02	SuperSnout	done.. now to check it out..
19:57:32	SuperSnout	something just made my player crash =(
19:57:40	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Alright. Do you happen to know where the screen stuff is handled in that? I keep meaning to go try to get it fixed for the iPod Nano. Even just having a static "skip the top 6 and bottom 6 pixels" so it can be used is better than nothing for the moment, I think.
19:57:49	egotrippen	snout: is that the daily, or the optimized
19:57:52	egotrippen	?
19:58:18	SuperSnout	i tried to open some picture called h300opt100.jpg which came with the optimized build.. and it said unsupported -4
19:58:38	SuperSnout	optimized..
19:58:50	SuperSnout	what's the difference between the daily build and optimized?
19:59:10	egotrippen	there's a pretty big difference
19:59:24	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: I'm trying to understand it now - it's the code in lcd.c....
19:59:32	egotrippen	http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35654
19:59:51	egotrippen	those are the patches and extras supplied with the 'Optimized'
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20:00:00	SuperSnout	ok.. and can you think of a reason why it's said "unsupported -4" and made my player crash?
20:00:01	egotrippen	i'm not sure which daily the latest version was built off of
20:00:08	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Y'know, I bet if I'd just bothered to go look, I would've guessed to check that file. I should probably not be so lazy.
20:00:26	egotrippen	i forget if and when JPEG support was added
20:00:45	SuperSnout	but that jpeg file came with the optimized build!
20:00:46	egotrippen	it's possible that the daily it was built off of didn't have JPEG support
20:01:05	SuperSnout	now i have to find something thin and pointy =(
20:01:11	safetydan	egotrippen, how much testing have you done of your patch?
20:01:26	egotrippen	i've been using it for over a month now
20:01:32	egotrippen	it's a single line of code
20:01:36	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: The "optimized" build isn't really "optimized" so much as experimental. Expect unexpected and unforseen behaviour.
20:01:56	SuperSnout	i don't want that =(
20:01:59	SuperSnout	i want safe =)
20:02:02	safetydan	egotrippen, yeah but files starting with . are special and I'm wondering about unforseen consequences
20:02:15	egotrippen	it doesn't affect those starting with '.'
20:02:36	egotrippen	all it does, is when you set view to 'supported,' it displays those with more than one .
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20:02:44	egotrippen	regular dotfiles remain hidden
20:03:06	linuxstb	egotrippen: My reservation is that it means that Rockbox no longer has the standard Unix behaviour of treating all filenames starting with a dot as hidden.
20:03:14	safetydan	which is my other concern
20:03:24	egotrippen	ah
20:03:38	egotrippen	so... who should i talk to? it's not very important, i guess
20:03:56	egotrippen	there's only gonna be a handful of albums or whatever that begin with elipses
20:04:03	safetydan	It
20:04:06	safetydan	whoops
20:04:21	safetydan	It's probably friendlier to the user to allow elipses at the start of names
20:04:31	safetydan	maybe this is an issue that will go away with tagcache
20:05:13	egotrippen	alright
20:05:47	SuperSnout	now the player crashes when i run rockdoom.. =(
20:05:51	egotrippen	i'm not gonna push for it if there are important concerns about it, i think it's a good idea
20:05:55	SuperSnout	i want a stable build =(
20:06:12	egotrippen	i got a little scared when i couldn't find an album under RB but could uner iRiver
20:06:28	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: If you want a stable build, check out the CVS source, apply the doom patch, and compile. That works for me. :-P
20:06:30	egotrippen	snout: if you want stability, it's back to the daily build with you
20:06:43	SuperSnout	=)
20:06:58	SuperSnout	where is the CVS source? misticriver?
20:07:16	safetydan	SuperSnout, did you do a clean install?
20:07:17	egotrippen	for CVS, you have to deal with Cygwin
20:07:24	t0mas	SuperSnout: www.rockbox.org
20:07:27	SuperSnout	a clean install?
20:07:28	egotrippen	it's a pain, but worth it if you want to play with patches
20:07:30	safetydan	i.e. delete all of .rockbox and rockbox.iriver and then unzip the optimized build?
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20:07:55	SuperSnout	oh.. no i didn't.. i'll try that..
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20:08:47	webguest75	hi, does anyone know if Wett is still working on video for the h120?
20:09:19	SuperSnout	ok...... it crashed when i connected it to the computer..
20:09:53	SuperSnout	help#!!!!
20:09:59	safetydan	SuperSnout, try turning it off, plugging it in, and then turning it on
20:10:04	SuperSnout	then it said "installation complete"
20:10:35	SuperSnout	and then when i tried to switch it off it said "safe failed" "partition incomplete" or something ='(
20:12:11	SuperSnout	should making a folder hidden ever effect things?
20:12:21	safetydan	not like that, no
20:12:38	safetydan	You might want to run a scandisk over it when you reconnect it to your computer
20:14:05	SuperSnout	ok.. it seems fine now.. i think it was because i didn't delete things before i unziped stuff in..
20:14:08	amiconn	SuperSnout: "Unsupported -4" means that this special type of jpeg file is not supported, most likely it's a progressive jpeg
20:14:19	amiconn	It shouldn't crash the plugin or rockbox though
20:14:29	SuperSnout	i've now deleted everything apart from my files and music and stuff..
20:14:42	SuperSnout	do you think i should try again with optimised?
20:14:56	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: Colour problem now fixed in CVS.
20:15:12	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Neat. Thanks. :)
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20:15:44	egotrippen	supersnout: that's up to you. it shouldn't be acting up that badly
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20:15:56	SuperSnout	ok.. 2nd time lucky then..
20:16:09	SuperSnout	(more like 2nd time i do it right)
20:16:28	egotrippen	same thing =-)
20:17:17	nobelium	back
20:17:20	nobelium	hmm
20:17:34	SuperSnout	didn't work..
20:17:35	nobelium	is this translatable?
20:17:37	nobelium	id: LANG_ID3_TRACKNUM
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20:17:59	SuperSnout	now on the boot screen the last thing it says is "result: -1" or something..
20:18:02	SuperSnout	=(
20:18:03	amiconn	Bah, I keep clicking 'daily builds' when I want to see the build table :(
20:18:05	nobelium	SuperSnout
20:18:13	nobelium	your rockbox installation is faulty then
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20:18:27	nobelium	result -1 normally means .rockbox / rockbox.iriver isn't present
20:18:29	nobelium	easy
20:18:34	nobelium	just connect it via USB
20:18:40	nobelium	unzip rockbox
20:18:41	nobelium	and restart
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20:18:53	SuperSnout	oh yeah.. oops... i forgot that before unzipping the build i have to unzip the standard rockbox stuff..
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20:19:02	nobelium	:p
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20:19:13	nobelium	I still ned that translating answer please :P
20:19:29	skwad-away	i think yes
20:19:32	skwad-away	cause there is : eng: "[Tracknum]"
20:19:34	nobelium	eng: "[Tracknum]"
20:19:48	nobelium	going to be hard to translate this one :/
20:20:26	SuperSnout	oh yeah.. there was somthing i wanted to ask..
20:20:33	SuperSnout	do you know what the dict plugin is?
20:21:24	nobelium	yes
20:21:33	linuxstb	Wow, the new build system is fast - 6m 25s for the last commit.
20:21:51	*	petur prepares his first ooops commit :/
20:21:57	safetydan	nobelium, have a look at the other translations for the same string
20:21:58	skwad-away	rockbox dictionnary
20:22:05	SuperSnout	do i first copy over the standard .rockbox folder and rockbox.iriver? and then unzip the daily build?
20:22:08	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Curse you for beating me to the posting. I was waiting for the build to finish.
20:22:16	SuperSnout	or do i just copy over rockbox.iriver?
20:22:34	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: What do you mean "daily build"
20:22:52	SuperSnout	sorry.. i meant optimized..
20:23:01	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: I can't believe I've been playing the same Rockboy game on both my 4g and 5g and didn't notice the colours were different...
20:23:01	safetydan	SuperSnout, the instructions should be in the thread where you got the build from
20:23:02	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: If you're using the optimized, you should just unzip and copy over everything from it. It should have a rockbox.iriver and a .rockbox of its own
20:23:11	skwad-away	nobelium: in french it is : new: "[N° Piste]"
20:23:18	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Wow. I have to ask, what game?
20:23:34	linuxstb	Just jetpac
20:23:43	SuperSnout	so.. delete ALL the system files first?
20:23:50	SuperSnout	including rockbox.iriver?
20:24:18	SuperSnout	oh god... =D
20:24:22	SuperSnout	i think i know what i did..
20:24:31	SuperSnout	in winzip i only had one file selected =D
20:24:41	SuperSnout	no woneder it didn't work....
20:24:46	SuperSnout	*wonder
20:24:54	nobelium	thanks skwad
20:25:02	amiconn	gnuboy is indeed written for portability rather than speed :/
20:25:28	linuxstb	amiconn: I didn't like to try and understand the rest of that code.... But it does need looking at.
20:25:34	amiconn	The colour calculation looks, erm, ...
20:25:49	SuperSnout	yay.. optimized actually comes with doom..
20:26:01	linuxstb	amiconn: It does seem to be a long journey....
20:26:13	amiconn	I don't mean the rockbox specific adaption
20:26:57	amiconn	Optimising rockboy will require thorough understanding of the gnuboy code
20:27:01	SuperSnout	oh.. actually rockdoom doesn't.. i need to download the .wad files again..
20:28:06	amiconn	t0mas: Is it possible to see which distributed build server did a specific target build?
20:28:48	t0mas	for me... yes
20:29:35	amiconn	Hmm, ok
20:30:12	amiconn	Different q: Does ccache require any configuration?
20:30:21	t0mas	no, it doesn't
20:30:35	amiconn	Hmm, is it detected by configure?
20:30:43	SuperSnout	i wonder why when you extract optimized it creates an empty folder calle doom.. anyone know?
20:30:45	t0mas	no, it's a setting in the buildscript
20:31:03	amiconn	Hmm, I want to use ccache with my local builds
20:31:12	t0mas	./configure −−ccache
20:31:15	amiconn	Perhaps that'll speed things up on cygwin
20:32:04	SuperSnout	ARGH.. another problem... now when i go to browse plugins it says "no plugins"
20:32:06	SuperSnout	what do i do?
20:32:24	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: You did copy over the .rockbox folder and all it's contents, right?
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20:32:34	egotrippen	check your plugins folder, make sure things are there
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20:33:14	SuperSnout	is it because i have .rockbox hidden?
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20:33:54	skwad-away	just check your plugins folder like they said
20:34:29	SuperSnout	there isn't even a plugins folder
20:34:36	SuperSnout	they're all in a folder called rocks
20:34:50	SuperSnout	why would it be looking in the wrong place?
20:36:03	skwad-away	wait I download it
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20:36:24	safetydan	SuperSnout, it's possibly because you have it marked hidden
20:36:44	SuperSnout	ok.. i'll try it with all things unhidden
20:37:01	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: They're supposed to be in rocks, yes. You don't need to hide .rockbox. But you shoudl be able to safely hide rockbox.iriver
20:38:38	SuperSnout	ok.. that worked
20:38:48	SuperSnout	shame i can't hide .rockbox
20:38:53	nobelium	what is a TOP-OFF charge?
20:38:56	nobelium	quick charge?
20:39:29	safetydan	SuperSnout, why would you need to? It's usually not visible on the player itself
20:39:42	SuperSnout	what's the Picture folder about? It has the startup images and a button plan thing.. can i hide it?
20:39:44	nobelium	and TRICKLE charge
20:40:04	SuperSnout	safetydan: really? oh =D ok.. i didn't notice
20:40:17	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: if you have it set to show "Supported" .rockbox will automatically be hidden
20:40:34	SuperSnout	yeah i do..
20:40:39	skwad-away	nobelium: i would say it means battery is charged
20:40:49	SuperSnout	how about the picture folder though?
20:40:56	nobelium	desc: in info display, shows that top off charge is running
20:40:58	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: The picture folder is probably just something they added, and should be deletable. It's not there in normal builds, at least.
20:41:00	nobelium	"is running"
20:41:12	skwad-away	yes but in french I understand that
20:41:30	skwad-away	and under you have "in info display, shows that trickle charge is running"
20:41:38	skwad-away	that means in charge
20:41:42	SuperSnout	so you don't think it's using the startup images in it for actually starting up?
20:41:59	skwad-away	but perhaps I'm false
20:42:15	nobelium	k..thanks
20:42:23	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: Well, try renaming the folder, and if it still starts, then delete it. If not, just change the name back.
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20:43:51	skwad-away	wait nobelium i look what is written in german
20:44:07	safetydan	What's the stack alloca function called again? __builtin_alloca?
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20:44:40	skwad-away	I don't understand what it means
20:44:59	Paul_The_Nerd	safetydan: I thikn that's it. Though maybe one more _ before it? I'm not sure.
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20:45:40	SuperSnout	i'm a bit confused about how to set up doom on the optimized =(
20:45:48	nobelium	SuperSnout
20:45:53	nobelium	it's really easy
20:46:00	nobelium	get the doom1.wad and place it under \Doom
20:46:06	nobelium	go to Browsw Plugins -> Doom
20:46:08	nobelium	done
20:46:18	SuperSnout	nice =)
20:46:20	SuperSnout	cheers
20:47:20	SuperSnout	can i hide it?
20:47:31	skwad	you like hiding things ^^
20:47:33	egotrippen	ahahahahahaha
20:47:37	egotrippen	yeah, really
20:47:42	SuperSnout	it's true..
20:47:48	SuperSnout	i don't like the clutter =)
20:47:51	safetydan	SuperSnout, you probably can't hide anything that the plugins use
20:47:56	SuperSnout	why should you see things if you don't need to use them...
20:48:31	skwad	then you should hide many things in your life ^^
20:48:44	linuxstb	It shouldn't cause a problem if you set the "hidden" attribute on the /doom folder - but you can't move it.
20:49:59	SuperSnout	oh.. maybe it's ok if you only hide the folder and not the files inside..
20:50:21	SuperSnout	this is really strange... rockdoom has different controls in optimised
20:51:14	skwad	is the optimized version open source ?
20:51:20	nobelium	yes
20:51:36	nobelium	http://rbh300.chendo.net/RockBoxH300Optimized-200602230015-v0.62-Source.zip
20:51:37	Paul_The_Nerd	skwad: It kinda has to be, because of the GPL.
20:51:54	SuperSnout	the thing is.. the .wad file is the same.. but the controls are different
20:51:57	SuperSnout	i'm confused
20:51:57	skwad	I don't understand why he does not all this work for rockbox :S
20:52:09	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: the controls are based on the executable, not the wad.
20:52:17	SuperSnout	okay
20:52:18	nobelium	I think he has a point on that
20:52:20	egotrippen	the .wad is just the level
20:52:29	SuperSnout	do you know if there's strafe?
20:52:30	Paul_The_Nerd	skwad: Those are all just patches he's collected. Not all of them have even been submitted to the patch tracker.
20:52:32	nobelium	why cluttering rockbox stuff with non-basic things?
20:52:40	nobelium	rockbox concentrates on vital functions
20:52:46	nobelium	rather then small plugins/optimizations
20:52:47	amiconn	Gah, ccache doesn't help anything in cygwin, it even slows down compilation
20:53:04	nobelium	I wouldn't like the rockbox team worried about getting doom working on h3xx
20:53:05	Paul_The_Nerd	nobelium: Many of those could be included in Rockbox if they'd just submit them to the patch tracker, and make sure they fit the guidelines in CONTRIBUTING
20:53:09	aegray	whats the fastest/best mp3 codec you guys have used?
20:53:10	skwad	yeah but album art would be nice
20:53:30	*	amiconn removes ccache again
20:53:32	egotrippen	skwad: i'm sure album art will be committed eventually
20:53:33	nobelium	yes, I guess that would be the optimum option for sure
20:53:34	Paul_The_Nerd	Doom is even on the patch tracker, but it's still got a lot of cleanup work to go.
20:53:47	Paul_The_Nerd	But things like Bubbles haven't even been submitted for some reason
20:53:49	egotrippen	but a lot of the things in the H300 Optimized are just extra
20:53:57	SuperSnout	so does anyone know if there's strafe in rockdoom?
20:54:12	LinusN	also, many of the patches in the "optimized" build are just half-baked solutions tailored for the h300 platform
20:54:15	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: I don't believe so.
20:54:17	amiconn	h120 target, w/o ccache 6min, first ccache build 9min, next ccache build 7 min
20:54:33	LinusN	amiconn: what a downer :-(
20:54:52	skwad	nobelium: I understand for Doom, because the goal is not games, but I find things like album art interesting
20:54:52	t0mas	maybe cygwin takes to much overhead to start ccache?
20:54:59	nobelium	yes, me too
20:55:01	nobelium	I agree on that
20:55:13	egotrippen	album art's gonna be committed eventually
20:55:29	skwad	yep I saw you already said it :-)
20:55:44	egotrippen	most of the WPS things were on the optimized first, because they don't check them like the devs do
20:56:24	egotrippen	the bitmap progress bars, an early color hack, and the 24bit bitmaps were on optimized a couple days to a week before the dialy build picked 'em up
20:56:55	skwad	so the normal rockbox can make them better ^^
20:57:12	egotrippen	the normal rockbox makes them more stable
20:57:18	egotrippen	it's got stricter requirements on code
20:57:21	webguest37	'Optimized' is really a misnomer...should be more like 'Experimental, Unstable & Potentially Harmful'
20:57:25	SuperSnout	is there any way to find out what the controls are for rockdoom?
20:57:30	SuperSnout	and how to strafe..
20:57:53	Mikachu	try all buttons
20:57:57	skwad	just test the controls supersnout, or then download the source and look in the doom file
20:58:05	nobelium	1552/3000 :\|
20:58:11	Mikachu	nobelium: what are you doing?
20:58:21	nobelium	translating to portuguese
20:58:25	Mikachu	ah
20:58:28	egotrippen	i wouldn't say potentially harmful... they're not messing with the bootloader or anything
20:58:29	nobelium	from scratch
20:58:35	egotrippen	but otherwise, i agree
20:58:50	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: You can't really strafe, I believe.
20:59:02	SuperSnout	that's annoying..
20:59:09	SuperSnout	is there any way to change the controls?
20:59:15	skwad	in the source
20:59:17	webguest37	I few weeks back they applied a power management patch that was bordering on dangerous from what I understand...totally untested and experimental
20:59:28	SuperSnout	it would be much nicer if navi was shoot rather that up being shoot..
20:59:32	egotrippen	ah, oh yeah
20:59:34	egotrippen	forgot about that
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21:00:04	nobelium	I actually use the Opt. Version
21:00:15	nobelium	but yes, they change some "critical" stuff
21:00:21	egotrippen	not all the patches say how complete they are on their pages
21:00:31	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: As he said, you can make all the changes to the controls you want if you compile your own copy.
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21:00:42	egotrippen	but yeah, i'd be wary of power management stuff that's not committed
21:00:59	webguest37	The album art is tempting however, hopefully it'll make cvs in the near future
21:01:22	egotrippen	you'd be better served patching CVS yourself, IMO
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21:01:37	egotrippen	if nothing else, i don't like the navi button turning the screen on on first press
21:02:17	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, I have my own personal "optimized" build for iPod
21:02:19	webguest37	But with album art in particular, I would prefer not to go through the hassle of setting everything up according to the patch and then have specs change before it gets committed
21:02:38	egotrippen	i changed by gwps.h button mappings and did a little filetree patch, just using CVS
21:02:41	egotrippen	good point
21:02:46	Paul_The_Nerd	But I'm not about to go pile every patch on it or anything. No album art, just things that I really felt make a big difference to my using it. And if they prove unstable, then bye.
21:03:08	egotrippen	changed my^
21:04:31	egotrippen	i just stopped changing my own colors a little while ago. with backdrops and 24bit WPSs it's not really necessary
21:04:37	egotrippen	and there's the committed color changer now too
21:05:27	egotrippen	that's another thing the optimized had for a long time before CVS, but it just had a couple presets to cycle through. the fully user-changeable is better
21:05:48	SuperSnout\|AWAY	compiling my own version of rockdooms sounds complicated
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21:06:10	SuperSnout	is there anywhere i can just find out the controls?
21:06:21	egotrippen	ask people who use it more than we do
21:06:31	Mikachu	didn't you get some hints already?
21:07:37	SuperSnout	how would i compile my own version of rockdoom then?
21:07:51	SuperSnout	where would i find the file that has the controls settings?
21:07:54	egotrippen	try to get your hands on the Rockbox Devkit
21:07:59	egotrippen	i'm not sure if it's still available
21:08:03	SuperSnout	you have to use a kit?
21:08:13	egotrippen	it's just a program
21:08:17	SuperSnout	you can't just edit a few values in notepad? =)
21:08:25	egotrippen	yeah
21:08:38	egotrippen	but then to change that notepad thing into code, you need the devkit
21:08:38	Paul_The_Nerd	Supersnout: Edit the values then you'd still have to compile it after.
21:08:53	egotrippen	it's small and fairly easy to use, if you can still find it
21:08:57	Paul_The_Nerd	The file is i_video.c.
21:09:15	egotrippen	if not, you'll have to spend an hour or so setting up Cygwin... it's a hassle, but a lot more powerful once it's done
21:09:55	egotrippen	i just switched over the other day to get the simulator working. if you deal with patches a lot, it's necessary
21:09:59	SuperSnout	what is compiling anyway?
21:10:02	Paul_The_Nerd	egotrippen: It's not really a hassle to set up cygwin any more, since you just select packages. Don't even have to make crosscompilers.
21:10:06	SuperSnout	and how do you do it?
21:10:29	egotrippen	paul_the_nerd: is still took me an hour or two. one download messed up towards the end
21:10:42	egotrippen	it's not really hard, but it takes time
21:11:00	Paul_The_Nerd	egotrippen: Fair enough. Believe me, before the cygwin packages worked, it took a little bit longer, and had quite a bit more potential for typos.
21:11:10	egotrippen	heh
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21:11:24	egotrippen	i've played around with a Linux distro a little, before i got a laptop and couldn't work the video out
21:11:26	egotrippen	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
21:11:37	egotrippen	i miss the paste feature on Mepis
21:11:58	egotrippen	supersnout: that's the guide, it
21:12:04	egotrippen	it's fairly straightforward
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21:12:15	SuperSnout	thanks =)
21:12:20	egotrippen	sure
21:12:30	egotrippen	there's one with screenshots too, optional
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21:13:00	SuperSnout	argh.. so the controls are in a file called i_video.c?
21:13:04	SuperSnout	where is that file?
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21:14:45	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: In the doom source.
21:15:27	SuperSnout	the doom source?
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21:15:35	Paul_The_Nerd	The source code for doom
21:15:45	SuperSnout	where is that =S
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21:15:56	SuperSnout	i know where the wad file is
21:16:01	Dr_Spoon	i've been using gimp to draw some bitmaps, and they're coming out all garbled
21:16:03	SuperSnout	and the .rock file..
21:16:58	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: The source code is in an entirely separate .zip
21:17:11	Paul_The_Nerd	Dr_Spoon: Are you saving them as 24-bit, windows format?
21:17:22	SuperSnout	oh.. it wont be on my iriver?
21:17:26	Dr_Spoon	gimp is awfully complicated - is there a linux app more like ms paint?
21:17:43	Dr_Spoon	yes i am... i think
21:18:44	Dr_Spoon	they are 24bit bmps yes
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21:19:02	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: You can't just make one small change. You'll have to run a program to rebuild the plugin itself.
21:19:18	SuperSnout	='(
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21:19:31	SuperSnout	okay.. are there any guides/
21:19:33	SuperSnout	?
21:19:42	Paul_The_Nerd	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment as egotrippen said
21:20:02	Paul_The_Nerd	Dr_Spoon: Odd. What kind of garbled, and where are you using them?
21:20:45	webguest31	hi, quick question, if i want to print a line of text on the LCD to test somthing, is there a supported way of doing that?
21:21:25	safetydan	webguest31, screen->putsxy(x, y, str)
21:21:51	webguest31	screen is global?
21:21:52	safetydan	or gui_syncsplash()
21:21:58	safetydan	webguest31, no
21:22:07	safetydan	Are you in a plugin or in the application?
21:22:22	webguest31	application
21:22:24	safetydan	gui_syncsplash is probably your best bet
21:22:36	webguest31	ok cool. thanks
21:22:40	safetydan	as it's the easiest to use
21:22:45	SuperSnout	do you think there's any way of finding out what my rockdoom version is?
21:23:02	safetydan	note gui_syncsplash does actually take parameters, I was just too lazy to type them
21:23:10	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: Check the Optimized thread and see what version they say they're using.
21:23:32	webguest31	yea, i figured :)
21:24:22	Dr_Spoon	the correct colours - but the pixels are all in the wrong places
21:25:20	Paul_The_Nerd	Dr_Spoon: Like, shifted or what?
21:26:24	Dr_Spoon	maybe shifted - it seems to just be random
21:26:39	linuxstb	How are you viewing the bmp files?
21:27:17	Dr_Spoon	what happens if you put the wrong size in the function call, maybe i've done that
21:27:36	linuxstb	You need to explain in more detail what you are doing.
21:27:39	Dr_Spoon	in a plugin
21:27:58	Mikachu	more than that
21:28:49	Dr_Spoon	compiling space_invaders for h100 with different images
21:29:27	Dr_Spoon	sorry- typin is well slow on a pda :-(
21:29:56	linuxstb	So you replaced some existing .bmp files with new ones?
21:30:24	egotrippen	supersnout: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2969
21:30:48	egotrippen	you need that diff
21:30:49	egotrippen	and this
21:30:50	egotrippen	http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/doom.zip
21:30:56	Dr_Spoon	no - i saved differrent names and edited the correct SOURCES file to include them on 160x128 lcds
21:31:01	egotrippen	but you can't really do anything until you get cygwin working
21:31:29	Mikachu	SuperSnout: before you get ahead of yourself, are there any free buttons you could use for strafing?
21:31:48	SuperSnout	i've found someone elses button map idea..
21:31:55	egotrippen	heh, good call. no use strafing if you can't turn
21:32:19	SuperSnout	http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=397726&highlight=strafe#post397726
21:32:20	SuperSnout	=)
21:32:32	SuperSnout	looks perfect.. exactly how i was imagining..
21:33:04	SuperSnout	what do you think?
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21:33:23	egotrippen	yeah, looks alright
21:33:47	SuperSnout	so what would the next step be?
21:34:48	SuperSnout	the link you sent for doom.zip isn't working..
21:34:54	egotrippen	if there's no precompiled DOOM on that link with the buttonmappings you want...
21:35:03	egotrippen	i'll take a look at that too
21:35:26	Dr_Spoon	i'll just check my #defines
21:35:37	egotrippen	for now, get Cygwin working, then use this guide
21:35:38	egotrippen	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
21:35:42	egotrippen	to get the CVS
21:35:54	egotrippen	wait, will you need that
21:35:55	egotrippen	?
21:36:12	SuperSnout	i'm just completely baffled at the moment
21:36:21	egotrippen	yeah, i don't do much with plugins
21:36:29	egotrippen	either way, you'll need cygwin
21:36:36	egotrippen	start with that while i look for the doom source
21:36:55	SuperSnout	the doom source is on the doom thread..
21:37:12	egotrippen	link?
21:37:36	SuperSnout	the diff thing..
21:37:45	egotrippen	ah, right
21:37:55	egotrippen	you will need the CVS, to apply the diff
21:37:57	Dr_Spoon	for any hope of getting space_invaders included in cvs will i need to make a patch? would space_invaders be something u'd want?
21:37:58	SuperSnout	it's the doom.zip that doesn't work
21:38:02	egotrippen	yeah
21:38:14	SuperSnout	what is the doom.zip?
21:38:17	egotrippen	the diff makes some changes to Rockbox so that Doom can work
21:38:24	egotrippen	doom.zip is the source of the plugin
21:38:25	SuperSnout	ok..
21:38:30	linuxstb	Dr_Spoon: Yes, I'm sure space invaders would be welcomed. And yes, you should make a patch and submit it to the patch tracker.
21:39:01	egotrippen	ok, and on that nore
21:39:02	egotrippen	note
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21:39:17	egotrippen	you want this diff, and not the old one: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/?getfile=10959
21:39:31	egotrippen	and this doom.zip
21:39:32	egotrippen	http://alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/doom.zip
21:39:34	webguest31	it looks like gui_syncsplash takes several parameters, the first is HZ
21:39:35	SuperSnout	ok
21:39:41	webguest31	what is that?
21:39:57	Mikachu	ticks per second
21:40:05	Mikachu	so if you say HZ, it will sleep 1 second
21:40:11	Mikachu	and 5*HZ will be five seconds etc
21:40:26	webguest31	ah
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21:40:32	egotrippen	so, what you want to do is get cygwin, following the instructions i first gave you here
21:40:33	egotrippen	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
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21:40:48	egotrippen	then, get a copy of the CVS with this guide
21:40:49	egotrippen	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
21:41:00	egotrippen	apply the .diff, make the changes you want to doom
21:41:04	egotrippen	and compile
21:41:06	SuperSnout	ok... i have both things saved now..
21:41:22	nobelium	3000 lines done
21:41:26	nobelium	400 to go ;\|
21:41:33	nobelium	wrong
21:41:34	nobelium	781
21:41:35	nobelium	eheh
21:41:37	Dr_Spoon	i'll look into it the wiki docs are good. I'm 15 and a little new to this...
21:41:37	ender`	on what platforms does doom work?
21:41:46	egotrippen	H300
21:41:46	webguest31	where is HZ defined? cant seem to find it using grep
21:41:49	Paul_The_Nerd	ender': All color platforms
21:41:55	egotrippen	ah
21:41:59	SuperSnout	it's amazing =D
21:42:03	*	ender` has H120 :(
21:42:15	Mikachu	webguest31: install ctags and use a ctags-capable editor, it will save you hours
21:42:23	Paul_The_Nerd	ender': Well, it might run on H120. I really don't know. I hear the display code was taken from iDoom, which worked on 2-bit ipods.
21:42:29	LinusN	webguest31: firmware/export/kernel.h
21:43:16	SuperSnout	ok.. i'm installing cygwin now..
21:43:17	safetydan	yeesh... I'm really not getting anywhere with this directory copy/move stuff...
21:45:50	safetydan	for some reason recursion with two external stacks just gets very confusing
21:46:23	SuperSnout	wow.. ...... it's complicated to install.. thank god there's a guide..
21:46:52	egotrippen	yeah
21:46:54	Dr_Spoon	recursion gives me a headache
21:47:17	egotrippen	it's basically like WINE for linux, which allows you to run windows programs under linux
21:47:30	Cassandra	New MP3 players are soooo annoying. It always takes over an hour to copy my music library onto them.
21:47:35	SuperSnout	i'm suck installing it....
21:47:45	egotrippen	except, not quite, becuase i think you need linux programs built specifically to Cygwin
21:47:55	safetydan	Cassandra, the iPod finally arrived?
21:48:05	SuperSnout	"If Zip and Unzip are not selected, ie ‘skip’… Click on the work skip and the text changes to the current version number, and the checkbox for the binary is selected."
21:48:13	SuperSnout	what the hell is that supposed to mean?
21:48:16	egotrippen	haha
21:48:18	egotrippen	hold on
21:48:19	Cassandra	safetydan: Yup.
21:48:46	Cassandra	Just put Rockbox on it but can't try it until the music library has finished copying over. :(
21:48:52	egotrippen	ok, you see the component screen, words with the little corsshairs next to them?
21:48:53	Cassandra	I have such a hard life.#
21:48:53	SuperSnout	ahhh.. i think work is supposed to be word
21:48:55	safetydan	woo, another tester for the iPod builds
21:48:57	Dr_Spoon	SuperSnout: it means u'll install that version
21:48:58	egotrippen	one should say archive
21:49:11	*	Cassandra didn't even bother installing iTunes. I mean ... why would you?
21:49:16	linuxstb	:)
21:49:31	egotrippen	under archive, look for zip/unzip
21:49:36	SuperSnout	so i should just click on all the word skips in the achive bit?
21:49:43	egotrippen	no
21:49:48	egotrippen	just next to zip and unzip
21:49:52	Cassandra	safetydan, I've been testing the iPod builds on my Nano since they were first playing audio. ;)
21:50:03	SuperSnout	oh ok
21:50:05	SuperSnout	found them
21:50:09	egotrippen	cool
21:50:13	SuperSnout	just click on those 2 skips?
21:50:17	egotrippen	yeah
21:50:19	SuperSnout	ok
21:50:25	egotrippen	you don't need most of the stuff Cygwin can include
21:50:32	Cassandra	I believe I designed the first ever Nano colour WPS too.
21:50:33	safetydan	Cassandra, ah... I forget that some people have more than one MP3 player
21:50:46	egotrippen	now do the same, under Devel is binutils, cvs, etc
21:50:50	Cassandra	safetydan, erm ... 4 and counting.
21:50:55	SuperSnout	how do i know what the current version number is?
21:50:57	egotrippen	only click the skips next to the ones it says you need
21:51:10	egotrippen	i think once you click skip it should give a version number
21:51:16	SuperSnout	ok
21:51:18	linuxstb	Cassandra: So when is boxes-320x240c coming?
21:51:20	egotrippen	whatever it displays is going to be the current one
21:51:46	Cassandra	Likely to be five after Devcon since [IDC]Dragon may be bringing me a player to stick a hard drive into.
21:52:04	Cassandra	linuxstb, didn't I do it already? Silly me.
21:52:33	linuxstb	And then boxes-240x320c for markun...
21:52:47	Cassandra	What's he got then?
21:52:51	linuxstb	Gigabeat
21:52:58	Cassandra	Ah, right.
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21:53:19	Cassandra	You know, I really want image scaling code in the WPS.
21:53:31	linuxstb	Or in the build system.....
21:53:37	Cassandra	Then I might be able to reduce the number of different versions I have to maintain.
21:53:58	Cassandra	linuxstb, that'd do, true.
21:54:02	SuperSnout	when i pressed next it said download incomplete =S
21:54:10	Cassandra	Really boxes needs a redesign for larger screens.
21:54:23	egotrippen	that's a pain. happened to me once too
21:54:29	Cassandra	It was designed for the H120 but it's a bit cramped on higher res screens.
21:54:32	egotrippen	you need to pick a different mirror and do it again
21:54:59	SuperSnout	does it have all the things selected the same?
21:55:07	egotrippen	nope
21:55:14	SuperSnout	oh god =\|
21:55:17	egotrippen	yeah
21:55:18	SuperSnout	='(
21:55:29	Cassandra	I think I'm finally going to have to give in and concede that browser backgrounds shouldn't carry over to the WPS though.
21:55:30	egotrippen	at least it happened to you right away
21:55:32	SuperSnout	here we go again.....
21:55:38	SuperSnout	thanks for the help by the way..
21:55:41	egotrippen	sure
21:55:46	SuperSnout	i hope i get it to work in the end
21:56:19	egotrippen	i've gotta go to class pretty soon, but other people here will be able to help with the plugin itself better than i can
21:56:33	egotrippen	cygwin will take a while to get set up, anyway
21:56:36	Dr_Spoon	what about a way of only including only wps made for the target LCD in the build system?
21:56:38	Paul_The_Nerd	Cassandra: I think that there should be the option to set a background color in the WPS, and if you have that line set, the browser background doesn't carry over.
21:56:38	SuperSnout	ot HAS kept all the connections =)
21:56:46	egotrippen	has it? cool
21:56:50	SuperSnout	*it
21:56:56	SuperSnout	*selections =S
21:57:01	Paul_The_Nerd	Cassandra: So, if there's an %X or a %<backgroundcolorthingy> it doesn't carry over. If neither of those, it does.
21:57:10	Paul_The_Nerd	That way, if someone DOES make a background-agnostic WPS, it can still work
21:57:31	linuxstb	We should at least have global bg/fg colour tags for the wps.
21:57:34	Paul_The_Nerd	It seems WPSes shouldn't be restricted to the same BG and FG colors are your menu anyway
21:57:35	SuperSnout	is there someone who could help me once egotrippen has gone?
21:57:52	SuperSnout	15%
21:58:01	linuxstb	I mean global, as opposed to different lines of text being different colours.
21:58:02	egotrippen	i think the compile guide will take you most of the way
21:58:23	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Yeah, I figured that. It was continuing my thread, rather than responding to you.
21:58:33	SuperSnout	okay.. but how will i find what i need to change?
21:58:35	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, so was I...
21:58:37	Dr_Spoon	i'll be here for half an hour - but cygwin might take longer
21:58:45	SuperSnout	=)
21:58:52	SuperSnout	thanks Dr
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21:59:08	egotrippen	to apply the diff, you'll need to put it in the \rockbox folder after you d/l the CVS
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21:59:15	egotrippen	d/ling the CVS is in the guide
21:59:32	SuperSnout	okay... what is applying the diff anyway?
21:59:45	SuperSnout	would the diff change the controls?
21:59:54	egotrippen	a .diff is a list of changes to the CVS
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22:00:02	egotrippen	no, but you need it to make DOOM run
22:00:15	SuperSnout	and putting it into the rockbox folder and starting up rockbox will change the controls..
22:00:26	SuperSnout	ok
22:00:28	egotrippen	no, hold on
22:00:31	egotrippen	heh
22:00:34	SuperSnout	=)
22:00:35	Paul_The_Nerd	Okay, we need 5 0-score builds. Just 5.
22:00:47	egotrippen	Cygwin can download the latest bleeding edge build
22:00:56	SuperSnout	build of what?
22:01:03	egotrippen	of Rockbox
22:01:13	egotrippen	once that's done, you apply the .diff so DOOM can run
22:01:22	egotrippen	then you edit the DOOM source to get the controls how you want
22:01:42	SuperSnout	but why would i need to download rockbox?
22:02:02	SuperSnout	wow.. cygwin is going to take soooo long to download..
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22:02:21	egotrippen	well... because i don't know how to compile a plugin outside the context of compiling rockbox
22:02:25	egotrippen	:)
22:02:43	egotrippen	either way you'll need Cygwin, downloading the CVS is easy/quick
22:03:06	nobelium	damn
22:03:11	nobelium	where do I change to UTF?
22:03:13	nobelium	can't find
22:03:19	egotrippen	if you still want to use the optimized, you should be able to just bring the doom.rock or whatever it's called from the finished product, and not the entire build
22:03:44	Cassandra	Paul_The_Nerd, the thing is that changing the WPS resets your background any way. (It has to because otherwise you'll get weird effects from all those Winamp style skins.)
22:03:52	egotrippen	but i'd apply the .diff anyway, because if there's a conflict it won't compile at all
22:03:58	SuperSnout	i'm using optimized now...
22:04:12	SuperSnout	oh dear.. i'm running out of space on the drive!!! ='(
22:04:19	Cassandra	Given that, it probably makes sense to have the WPS background and browser background totally separate.
22:04:19	egotrippen	agh
22:04:27	SuperSnout	this is so tricky
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22:04:33	egotrippen	yeah, it's a pain
22:04:45	egotrippen	but once Cygwin is in, it gets really easy to apply patches
22:04:53	Cassandra	Anything else is probably too confusing, nifty though the idea of being able to make a "background agnostic" wps was.
22:04:57	SuperSnout	ok.. that's good to know
22:04:59	egotrippen	you can make your own personal Optimized build that maybe isn't so buggy
22:05:01	nobelium	damn
22:05:09	nobelium	egotrippen, can you tell me where to change to UTF?
22:05:13	nobelium	can't find that option
22:05:26	egotrippen	nope, don't know enough about that
22:05:27	SuperSnout	would i need to know some kind of programming code to patch things?
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22:05:31	Paul_The_Nerd	Cassandra: Fine by me honestly. I just like getting to say the word "agnostic" any change I get. It's fun.
22:05:32	egotrippen	sorry
22:05:42	safetydan	hrmm... using the plugin buffer for file copies did not make as much difference as I'd hoped
22:05:47	egotrippen	snout, you need to know code to apply your own patches
22:05:55	egotrippen	i mean, write your own patches
22:06:08	Cassandra	Paul_The_Nerd, eschaton is also good. Haven't figured out how to tie that one into Rockbox yet.
22:06:10	egotrippen	but to apply patches off the patch tracker, you just need to know how .diff files work
22:06:20	egotrippen	which you're gonna learn today, if things go right
22:06:33	amiconn	mhrmph...
22:06:38	SuperSnout	oh.. so is there a file that changes the controls to what i want already?
22:06:48	egotrippen	not that i've seen
22:06:53	Cassandra	Thinking about it, given that we now have support for separate fonts in WPS and browser, I'm inclined to say we ought to have separate background settings too.
22:06:56	Dr_Spoon	i'd recommend getting the optimised source then hacking the included doom - no dual boot required
22:06:58	egotrippen	but buttonmappings are pretty straightforward
22:07:04	SuperSnout	ok
22:07:14	SuperSnout	please god
22:07:14	egotrippen	if you can't tell what part of the code is a buttonmapping, someone here should be able to help you easily enough
22:07:19	Cassandra	(And in recording and FM etc.)
22:07:22	SuperSnout	it's so nearly finnished
22:07:29	SuperSnout	please let my disk space last..
22:07:30	Paul_The_Nerd	Dr_Spoon: No dual boot is required with the normal source + doom either.
22:07:33	egotrippen	heh
22:07:56	egotrippen	actually, that's a good call
22:07:56	Cassandra	It's also not 'optimised'. More 'living on the edge'.
22:07:57	Paul_The_Nerd	egotrippen: It's in the i_video.c file, a set of #defines partway down.
22:08:04	SuperSnout	i think it has stopped =(
22:08:11	Cassandra	(Or even more on the edge that standard Rockbox.)
22:08:15	linuxstb	Cassandra: Yes, it should now be trivial to add more colour settings to Rockbox. Personally, I would quite like to be able to set a different fg/bg colour for the status bar.
22:08:37	egotrippen	Cassandra: yeah, we know it's a misnomer. i don't use it
22:08:42	Cassandra	linuxstb, the status bar badly needs a complete revamp.
22:08:54	linuxstb	I know. Wasn't Paprica working on something?
22:09:11	Paprica	im working on the color calendar
22:09:14	Cassandra	I vaguely remember a patch, but there have been so many ...
22:09:27	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: AFAIK there's a patch on the tracker that loads all the status bar icons from a single .bmp...
22:09:39	SuperSnout	yes.. it has frozen and stopped downloading
22:09:41	Paul_The_Nerd	It's a far cry from full customization though.
22:09:44	SuperSnout	it says no package
22:09:50	Cassandra	Paul_The_Nerd, that sounds like a darn good idea.
22:10:03	Cassandra	Then we can have status bars as part of a theme too.
22:10:14	Cassandra	(Assuming it supports different sizes.)
22:10:21	egotrippen	ugh. sorry snout
22:10:22	linuxstb	At the very least, we need to move the icons to external .bmp files, and have different sized built-in icons for the larger LCDs.
22:10:25	SuperSnout	what do i do?
22:10:31	Paul_The_Nerd	Cassandra: I don't know if that patch does.
22:10:37	egotrippen	if you get it working, use this instead of the CVS source
22:10:38	egotrippen	http://rbh300.chendo.net/RockBoxH300Optimized-200602230015-v0.62-Source.zip
22:10:49	egotrippen	just start tryin again. get a book or something
22:10:53	SuperSnout	ok
22:11:00	nobelium	yes!!!
22:11:02	nobelium	done :D
22:11:04	Cassandra	Wow. The iPod Video disk is amazingly quiet.
22:11:06	nobelium	saved as UTF-8 worked
22:11:06	egotrippen	clear off some HD space if that's the problem, if not then try a different mirror
22:11:10	SuperSnout	that's the same thing as i have running right?
22:11:13	Cassandra	I have to hold it right up to my ear to hear it.
22:11:25	SuperSnout	i've cleared a bit but it's still frozen
22:11:28	SuperSnout	too late i think..
22:11:29	Cassandra	(Although it is inside an iSkin.)
22:11:55	Paprica	http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dump0602272310051io.png
22:12:04	*	Cassandra is kind of annoyed that the iPod looks so cool but you have to hide it away to avoid scratches.
22:12:23	nobelium	that's all it is
22:12:27	nobelium	"looks cool
22:12:28	Paul_The_Nerd	Cassandra: I personally like my iSkin better than my iPod Nano anyway.
22:12:30	nobelium	but isn't cool ;)
22:12:56	SuperSnout	if i install again should it override all the stuff that's already downloaded?
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22:13:12	Cassandra	I kind of like the shiny silver back.
22:13:29	egotrippen	i don't think so, you should clear it out manually
22:13:41	Cassandra	It's a bit crummy that all the black iPods come with white accessories though.
22:13:44	SuperSnout	aargh.. i have to remember where it all is..
22:14:03	safetydan	Is the only way to update a patch file in the tracker is to add it as an attachment to a comment?
22:14:03	egotrippen	and yeah, that .zip is what you're running now, but it's the source of it that you can edit and comple yourself
22:14:09	Cassandra	Not normally the kind of ball I'd expect 'style over substance' Apple to drop.
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22:14:47	SuperSnout	so i'm going to be editing the source.. and then using it to replace all the system that i have at the moment?
22:14:48	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, I was kinda surprised they put all the white stuff in with black ipods too
22:14:55	linuxstb	Cassandra: I assume you're not using the stock white earbuds though.
22:15:52	Cassandra	linuxstb, gods no. I'm sticking with my Etymotics.
22:15:55	egotrippen	yeah. using that .zip you won't need the diff
22:16:06	egotrippen	just change the DOOM stuff to the way you want it, and compile
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22:17:28	evilware	hello
22:17:47	SuperSnout	when downloading it keeps sticking at /etc/postinstall/post-texmf.sh "no package"
22:17:48	egotrippen	as cygwin is installing again, you should try again to look for the devkit
22:17:54	SuperSnout	what do i do?
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22:17:59	egotrippen	you have to pick a different mirror
22:18:04	SuperSnout	i have
22:18:10	egotrippen	hm
22:18:21	egotrippen	try another one, i guess :)
22:18:31	SuperSnout	and when i press cancel it says installation complete =S
22:18:33	SuperSnout	i wish
22:19:16	SuperSnout	same again..
22:20:18	SuperSnout	ok.. i've tried 3 different mirrors they all stop there ='(
22:20:48	egotrippen	hm
22:21:00	egotrippen	dunno what to tell ya. maybe someone else can figure it out
22:21:07	egotrippen	i've got class. happy hunting
22:21:14	SuperSnout	thanks =)
22:21:21	Paul_The_Nerd	Well, if you notice that file it in /postinstall/ so it sounds like somethings going wrong after the files are downloaded.
22:21:33	Paul_The_Nerd	Independent of the mirror, probalby, though I couldn't guess what.
22:21:34	SuperSnout	hmm.. okay
22:21:57	SuperSnout	could it be connected with the fact that i ran out of space?
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22:22:41	SuperSnout	and then when i press cancel it says nothing needs to be installed
22:23:55	SuperSnout	help!! this doesn't look good... i have loads of sh.exes running!
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22:25:07	*	Paul_The_Nerd knows very little about the Cygwin install process.
22:25:28	SuperSnout	ok..
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22:25:54	SuperSnout	argh.. maybe i should restart...
22:26:10	SuperSnout	i've deleted the files i had already downloaded...
22:26:15	SuperSnout	ok.. i'll restart..
22:26:20	SuperSnout	brb
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22:28:04	Paul_The_Nerd	Mikachu: My next laptop will be researched to make sure that it's linux-friendly. This one was a warranty replacement, so I didn't have much say. =/
22:28:20	*	petur looks for somebody with colinux knowledge
22:28:28	*	amiconn curses X11
22:28:42	amiconn	Why the *** doesn't DPMS work ???
22:28:50	Mikachu	nvidia?
22:28:55	amiconn	ATI
22:29:16	Mikachu	ah
22:29:16	Bagder	that's not an x11 issue
22:29:19	Mikachu	well ti's up to the display driver
22:29:20	Bagder	its a drivers issue
22:29:42	amiconn	Well, xscreensaver should enable dpms, no?
22:29:50	Mikachu	it can't if the driver doesn't support it
22:29:52	Bagder	it does for me
22:29:58	amiconn	My xorg.conf has Option "DPMS" both for device and monitor
22:30:02	Mikachu	does xset force dpms on or something work?
22:30:11	linuxstb	Does anyone know if bmp2rb should work on a mono bitmap 7x144 pixels in size?
22:30:29	amiconn	It should work on any bmp
22:30:53	amiconn	...uncompressed bmp that is
22:31:00	linuxstb	http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test.bmp
22:33:42	amiconn	Mikachu: xset dmps force off tries to force the monitor into the off state, but all it does is blank the screen
22:34:01	amiconn	Monitor stays in on state, just black, same way as with xscreensaver
22:34:59	Mikachu	i would go ahead and blame the driver thne
22:37:00	linuxstb	Is anyone looking at my bmp file?
22:38:07	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: That's odd.
22:38:32	markun	amiconn: I had to add Option "DPMS"
22:38:40	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Just tried it, and see what you mean. It outputs an array of just one value in each entry?
22:38:41	markun	to my Section "Monitor"
22:38:51	amiconn	markun: I have that option, both for device and monitor
22:38:57	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: Yes - with "-f 0", it just produces an array of zeros
22:39:41	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Yup, that's what I got too.
22:40:28	Paprica	linuxstb, http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2981
22:40:31	Paprica	very simple
22:40:40	Paprica	i need to work on it more
22:41:38	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: It's odd. If I save it as 24-bit, it's fine. If I save it back as 1-bit, it doesn't work again.
22:42:11	Paprica	(i hope that i right with my thought, are you working on custom statusbar icons?)
22:43:58	linuxstb	Paprica: I was just trying to move the existing icons into external .bmp files that the bmp2rb build system can use.
22:44:15	Paprica	blah
22:44:15	Paprica	ok
22:44:19	Paprica	sorry =]
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22:44:50	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Make it 1 pixel wider, and it works. I think it's the odd width maybe? Limitation of bmp2rb for mono
22:44:51	Paul_The_Nerd	?
22:45:41	amiconn	Mikachu: Hmm, strange, if I go back to analog VGA, DPMS works. With DVI it doesn't work
22:48:44	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Why would a 7x144 bitmap be 638 bytes, and a 144x7 (which also works with bmp2rb) be 202? (I tried rotating it, and then tried just increasing the width by one)
22:49:12	LinusN	Paul_The_Nerd: because bmp files are 32-bit aligned
22:49:21	Paul_The_Nerd	Aaah
22:49:22	amiconn	Paul_The_Nerd: bmp lines are padded to 32bit
22:49:36	*	Paul_The_Nerd learns something new every time he comes here.
22:49:58	LinusN	this bug is most likely a rounding error somewhere
22:51:00	amiconn	The padding calculation seems off...
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22:56:21	amiconn	linuxstb: Could you test something for me? I think I got it right:
22:56:36	amiconn	change line 162 of bmp2rb.c into
22:56:38	amiconn	padded_width = ((width * depth + 31) / 8) & ~3; /* aligned 4-bytes boundaries */
22:57:04	linuxstb	Doing it now...
22:57:22	amiconn	Bah, this bug is oooold
22:58:44	linuxstb	Yes, that seems perfect.
22:58:53	amiconn	okay, I'll commit
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22:59:44	LinusN	wow, there certainly is a difference in power consumption when playing music with rockbox vs the iriver firmware
22:59:51	linuxstb	I'm not sure how we should deal with arrays of bitmaps with the bmp2rb build system though.
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23:00:15	amiconn	Arrays of bitmaps? You mean this bitmap strip?
23:00:29	Paul_The_Nerd	LinusN: how big?
23:00:33	linuxstb	In apps/recorder/icons.c it is an array of bitmaps - I've just exported it as a single bitmap.
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23:01:05	LinusN	the iriver firmware draws a measly 60mA when decoding MP3, while Rockbox draws 100mA doing nothing at 11MHz
23:01:15	amiconn	Well, using the strip as-is is possible with lcd_mono_bitmap_part(), but it will probably increase code size a bit
23:01:16	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Could you just run through a loop and use a stride like bitmap part to put it into the proper array?
23:01:17	Bagder	whoa
23:01:18	LinusN	something is seriously wrong!
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23:02:59	webguest11	hey preglow, are you there :)
23:03:00	linuxstb	amiconn: Yes, that's what I did in Sudoku when I converted my arrays of numbers into single bitmaps.
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23:03:43	amiconn	linuxstb: There are a number of functions for displaying one single icon.
23:04:06	LinusN	an interesting thing is that the iriver firmware draws 100mA doing nothing in the playing screen
23:04:13	amiconn	What about merging these into one function, taking the icon id as a parameter ?
23:04:35	amiconn	LinusN: I suspect that one thread forgets to sleep...
23:04:38	LinusN	and then goes down to 60mA when playing the music
23:04:47	Paul_The_Nerd	...?
23:04:49	amiconn	...but perhaps there are more problems than just that
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23:05:59	SuperSnout	argh.. i can't find the link to the guide to installing cygwin anymore
23:06:04	SuperSnout	where was it again?
23:06:22	LinusN	rockbox.org, click on "ocumentation"
23:06:26	LinusN	documentation
23:06:27	SuperSnout	ok
23:06:29	SuperSnout	thanks
23:06:33	LinusN	surprisingly
23:07:10	Bagder	the concept of docs in documentation is hard to grasp
23:07:20	Bagder	:-)
23:07:21	LinusN	as soon as i stop the music, the current consumption goes up to 100mA again
23:07:54	Bagder	LinusN: its just crazy
23:08:26	LinusN	btw, boosting the cpu from 45mhz to 124mhz costs 30mA
23:08:45	LinusN	the backlight draws 50mA
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23:08:52	LinusN	40-50
23:08:56	stripwax	ello
23:11:47	amiconn	LinusN: H3x0?
23:11:55	LinusN	yes
23:12:03	stripwax	I have an Ogg Vorbis file that allegedly plays fine in everything except Rockbox. The user who logged a bug for this emailed me the file privately. I will make it available privately:
23:12:26	amiconn	LinusN: Will you do similar measurements for h1x0 as well?
23:12:47	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: What version of oggenc was used to create it?
23:13:03	stripwax	http://www.beermex.com/test.ogg
23:13:12	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - don't know. It's only just been sent to me. One sec..
23:13:41	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - hhrmmm.. Xiph.Org/Sjeng.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (GTune 3, beta 1)
23:13:59	stripwax	ooh. also this:
23:14:20	stripwax	Warning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4431618 bytes. Corrupted ogg.
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23:14:38	stripwax	hrm. and this: Warning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4500 bytes. Corrupted ogg.
23:14:56	Paul_The_Nerd	So, it sounds like it's corrupted
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23:15:03	Paul_The_Nerd	Also, 2002-07-17 sounds kinda old.
23:15:12	Paul_The_Nerd	I'm not sure when vorbis 1.0 was though.
23:15:27	LinusN	amiconn: maybe one of those days
23:17:10	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - I'll check vorbis.com .. I know that the vorbis encoder that comes with the Rio Karma is approximately that old (circa 2002)
23:17:29	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: Rockbox doesn't support pre-1.0 vorbis files I believe.
23:17:51	godzirra	I asked this before but dunno if I ever got an answer... Can you rate mp3s on rockbox the way you can on itunes and some other media players on a PC?
23:17:56	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - understood. If this turns out to be pre-1.0 then that sounds like the problem.. will check with the user.
23:18:10	stripwax	godzirra - yep. you need to have the tag database enabled in rockbox
23:18:18	godzirra	How do you enable that or check and see if its enabled?
23:18:33	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: I don't know the dates though, but you also mentioned that whatever you checked with listed corruptions.
23:18:34	godzirra	And does that rate it just in the tag database? (i.e. if I copy the mp3 off of the rockbox, it doesnt keep the rating?)
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23:19:13	stripwax	godzirra- http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase And yes, it just rates it in the tag database. I think all other media players behave the same way, I don't think there is any way to tag the file itself
23:19:21	stripwax	But I could be wrong!
23:19:41	godzirra	Huh.. ok. I thought there was a rating in the id3 tag. Bummer.
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23:19:50	stripwax	Also the tag database is kinda buggy.
23:20:06	Paul_The_Nerd	godzirra: I don't believe rockbox writes to your files at all, ever.
23:20:15	*	Paul_The_Nerd thinks that's a good policy for a portable device.
23:20:33	Bagder	also, the concept should hold for more than mp3
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23:20:59	godzirra	Paul_The_Nerd: I don't disagree.. it would just be useful for some instances.
23:21:00	Bagder	not that the tagdb is very good anyway...
23:21:25	godzirra	Does tagdb work like the original apple firmware? i.e. I can click "artists -> Seven Nations -> play all Seven Nations" ?
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23:21:34	Paul_The_Nerd	godzirra: Well, it seems that once the tagcache is implemented, someone could create a plugin for Foobar or some other player, to sync it.
23:21:38	godzirra	I'm erading the page and it looks like it works like that, but ascii tree art is kind of funny :)
23:22:16	Paul_The_Nerd	godzirra: It should work like that, but it's kinda... the code is old, and not maintained at the moment, so it may have bugs. A replacement is in the works though.
23:22:41	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - the bitstream format for vorbis was frozen Monday, May 8th 2000. Now, whether this guys encoder is 1.0 compliant or not is a different matter. But something is defintely corrupted.
23:23:33	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: Yeah, if it's corrupted, it's hardly Rockbox's fault for not playing it, even if other players tolerate or accept it. :)
23:23:43	Hideo	speaking of database, HCl is gone again? :)
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23:25:31	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - yeps. Maybe I should encourage the guy to hop onto #rockbox and tell us about it. Seems the file he sent me is one that other players 'tolerate' but which caused Rockbox to freeze completely. IMO rockbox should not tolerate corrupted audio files, but it should not freeze either.
23:25:55	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: I agree, freezing in any situation is not exactly desirable behaviour.
23:26:51	jlo	preglow : did you test the crossfeed soft ?
23:27:22	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - yeah. Did you download the track yet? I'll try running it thru the sim and see if I can catch where it dies. Also - what is this tagdb replacement you speak of ? :-)
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23:29:08	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: I downloaded the file, but I haven't looked at it. Also, the sim's audio playback isn't necessarily indicative of Rockbox on hardware. especially since I hear it's touchy about vorbis at the moment anyway.
23:29:21	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - ah, oh ..
23:30:00	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: It's called tagcache, and it sounds like it's basically tagdb, but built on-box using rockbox's metadata handlers.
23:30:05	stripwax	Hrm, well, it doesn't hang..
23:30:39	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - groovy. I think that's the way it should always be ; I never grokked the offline db update thang
23:30:40	Cassandra	Hmmm. I was getting pauses in playback, but it's stopped now.
23:31:24	Cassandra	splash() needs fixing for custom colours.
23:32:08	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: The only thing is that it could take a while to generate. I'd still prefer that, though
23:32:13	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - weird. Rockbox seems to (rightly) do nothing with t his corrupted ogg. The sim plays vorbis back fine afaict :-)
23:32:29	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd - yeah, for a one-off, I'd be ok with that.
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23:32:56	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: Odd, I'd heard many people couldn't get vorbis to play. (though, the last time I tried it worked too. Heh)
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23:35:33	amiconn	stripwax: Building the db on target takes a good while
23:35:54	amiconn	I tested it on h140, archos recorder and ondio
23:36:46	Paul_The_Nerd	How long did it take on h140? I mean, I know your library wouldn't reflect how long mine might take, but I'm curious what kinda time range we're talking.
23:37:23	Shadowarrior13	How's doom progress coming on the iPod?
23:37:56	stripwax	amiconn - I'd imagine it would take less time than it takes to run the old Perl tagdb builder on my fileserver (it took over 24 hours .. my fileserver is a 266Mhz NSLU2 ... :-) )
23:38:03	Paul_The_Nerd	Shadowarrior13: There's a patch in the tracker, that you can use to play it.
23:38:19	Bagder	stripwax: shut of the dreaded crc check and it'll fly
23:38:22	Bagder	off
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23:38:57	stripwax	Bagder - I'm sure you're right. I found three bugs within minutes of enabling "Show: ID3 Tags" so turned it all off again and haven't looked back ..
23:39:04	amiconn	stripwax: huh? The perl thingy took a couple of minutes here... running it directly over the USB-mounted target
23:39:08	stripwax	(i.e. rockbox hanging or doing insane things)
23:39:16	stripwax	amiconn - cool.
23:39:20	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: Yeah, my database ended up with several multiple entries for the same song, and empty entries in other places.
23:39:49	Shadowarrior13	Paul: I'd have to compile that, which I'm the worst person in the world at, as you should know :P
23:39:54	stripwax	amiconn - but I bet your PC is more powerful than mine..
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23:40:56	Hideo	lol
23:40:58	amiconn	Paul_The_Nerd: For some reason I don't find the numbers for H140 anymore, but I remember that H140 and recorder weren't too far apart speed-wise. It seems to depend mostly on disk speed access speed
23:41:05	Cassandra-	Right, I'm getting pauses in playback as the PCM buffer refills.
23:41:23	amiconn	Building a tagcache from ~3200 tracks took ~10 minutes on archos recorder
23:41:32	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: Are we talking "less than an hour" "less than 4 hours" or "less than a day" here?
23:41:37	Paul_The_Nerd	Oh
23:41:51	Paul_The_Nerd	For me at least, that's not so bad.
23:42:04	stripwax	amiconn - I think that's acceptable
23:42:16	amiconn	09:30 until "force tagcache update" finished, and another 30 sec at the next boot
23:42:32	Cassandra-	amiconn: You have working tagcache code?
23:42:36	amiconn	Way slower than running the perl or java thingy
23:43:11	Cassandra-	dircache on the iPod took something scarily small like for 35gigs of music.
23:43:14	amiconn	Cassandra: I have the half-baked beta from Slasheri, with a fix to make it work on alignment-picky targets
23:43:38	amiconn	I dunno whether there are endianess problems which would hit iPod
23:43:39	Cassandra-	6 secs
23:43:57	Cassandra-	I'll hang on till it's more mature, I think.
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23:44:17	amiconn	This version doesn't do segmented browsing
23:44:34	amiconn	Other than that it works; didn't test it extensively
23:44:42	SuperSnout	paul_the_nerd: the cygwin installation is going better now =)
23:44:48	SuperSnout	i think it's nearly done..
23:45:49	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: Segmented browsing?
23:46:00	Cassandra-	Right. I think that the Video's PCM buffer isn't filling fast enough when the system is under load.
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23:46:28	Cassandra-	(ie the PCM buffer gradually empties after I start watching the audio thread.)
23:46:36	amiconn	Paul_The_Nerd: For normal directory browsing, it is recommended to set 'max files in dir' fairly low, just high enough for your largest dir.
23:46:42	Cassandra-	But is OK if I'm just sitting in the dir browser.
23:46:54	SuperSnout	paul_the_nerd: 50%
23:47:17	amiconn	This is especially important on archos because of the small RAM
23:47:27	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: Yeah, but what I meant to ask is "what do you mean by segmented"?
23:47:39	amiconn	However, the database 'tracks' list is most likely much longer,
23:47:44	Paul_The_Nerd	Aaah
23:47:54	amiconn	so the tagdb code handles the lists in segments
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23:48:08	amiconn	It can do this because the tagdb lists are pre-sorted
23:48:20	Cassandra-	amiconn, ah, Slasheri worked around that. Cool.
23:48:27	amiconn	tagcache doesn't do this yet, so 2 things happen here when browsing by track
23:48:44	Cassandra-	Oh, he didn't.
23:48:48	amiconn	Cassandra: tagcache doesn't do this yet, unlike tagdb
23:48:51	SuperSnout	it's quite funny needing a guide to install something =)
23:48:58	Cassandra-	Erm, I remember having this problem with tagdb.
23:49:20	amiconn	(1) I get a message 'dir buffer full' (2) I can only browse tracks up to "E"
23:49:37	amiconn	Rather, not up to "E" because the whole list isn't sorted
23:49:53	amiconn	but only 500 tracks (my max files setting) out of 3200
23:49:56	stripwax	Did anyone ever get a chance to investigate http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/3021
23:50:06	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: So, were you able to set the files/directory limit beyond the number on your player safely, tagcache would essentially be working? (Not in the "every wish is granted" sense but in the "it doesn't cause things to spontaneously melt, and lets me play files" sense)
23:50:09	Bagder	Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 239,864
23:50:25	stripwax	If not, now that I've got the sdl sim working on my PC, I'll give it a shot.
23:50:27	Bagder	apps/firmware only
23:50:39	amiconn	Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, but then I wouldn't be able to use the unit for a decent amount of time
23:51:04	SuperSnout	paul_the_nerd: it's done!! =D
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23:51:34	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: Cygwin is installed successfully?
23:51:53	SuperSnout	yep
23:51:59	SuperSnout	i'm not sure what to do now though
23:52:09	SuperSnout	when i run it it opens cmd..
23:52:13	amiconn	I don't need a db for standard operation, for me the db has just two minor purposes:
23:52:23	Paul_The_Nerd	It should open something that looks similar, but not the same, as cmd.
23:52:27	stripwax	SuperSnout - you need to check out the cvs repository next!
23:52:31	amiconn	(1) Find typos in tags (2) Find dupes I overlooked otherwise
23:52:35	SuperSnout	well yeah.. that's what it's doing =)
23:52:47	amiconn	Otherwise I prefer file browsing
23:53:01	SuperSnout	okay.. the cvs repository... what's that... the source code?
23:53:09	stripwax	yep
23:53:27	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: I prefer file browsing too, but it'd be nice to have it on there for things like playing by Genre on occasion. Or by age, if that ever gets implemented.
23:53:31	*	Cassandra- really likes the jackash font on the iPod Video display.
23:53:34	SuperSnout	okay.. so just get the same source code as what's running on my player at the moment?
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23:53:50	Paul_The_Nerd	SuperSnout: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS if you want instructions for using the official rockbox CVS source.
23:53:55	stripwax	SuperSnout - yep.. except your player isn't running the source code, but yes
23:54:01	Paul_The_Nerd	Well, downloading it.
23:54:11	SuperSnout	yeah whatever =)
23:54:17	stripwax	SuperSnout - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS
23:54:47	*	amiconn wonders about this genre thing
23:55:19	*	stripwax wonders what amiconn is wondering about
23:56:06	SuperSnout	ok.. i'm downloading the source now.. what next?
23:56:13	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: I have a lot of various game soundtracks and/or videogame remixes that are in different scattered folders by artist, in most cases, and are all Genre Game. At the moment I have a "Game" playlist, but it would be neat, were my collection to change, to not have to update the playlist every time.
23:56:21	amiconn	None of my tracks are tagged by genre (some are occasionally, but not by me)
23:56:41	stripwax	SuperSnout - next, you'll need to "mkdir build", then "cd build", then "../tools/configure"
23:56:57	amiconn	I don't care; imho it's not possible to sort music in drawers called 'genre' reliably
23:56:57	SuperSnout	okay.. =S
23:57:08	Paul_The_Nerd	amiconn: The only ones of mine that have a genre tag for me are ones like that, where I need an easy way to pull a collection out of the mix. I actually have some genred "Favorites"
23:57:17	LinusN	i'm having a hard time sorting my music by genre
23:57:34	LinusN	for example, when does "Rock" become "hard rock"?
23:57:41	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, that's a difficult question.
23:57:51	LinusN	when the distortion pedal goes above 8?
23:57:58	stripwax	When it goes above 11 ;-)
23:58:01	LinusN	:-)
23:58:12	JdGordon	wosre.. hwne does black become death become hardcore? (metal) ?
23:58:16	amiconn	I have some very loose "genres" as top-level dirs in order to cut the size of th elists a bit
23:58:17	JdGordon	and gmorning al
23:58:20	JdGordon	all
23:58:27	LinusN	just sort it all under "Negerpunk"
23:58:31	stripwax	ouch!
23:58:38	amiconn	LinusN: haha!
23:58:46	JdGordon	negerpunk?
23:58:49	*	amiconn remembers a certain ml discussion
23:58:51	*	Moos is remenbering that long discussion about
23:58:56	Moos	hehe :)
23:59:00	stripwax	Yeah, fine-grain genres don't make a lot of sense; "rock" vs "dance" maybe all you need
23:59:00	LinusN	that's a true rockbox gem

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