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#rockbox log for 2006-02-27

00:00:04Mikachuif you use zsh you can also do 'zmv -W *.bmp.c *.c'
00:00:21Bagderinfamis: newname=`echo $old | sed 's/bmp.c/.c/'`
00:00:30Bagdermv $old $newname
00:00:58Mikachuor you can just do {mv $a ${a%bmp.c}.c}
00:01:10Mikachuthat was not exactly right but you get the ida
00:01:21Bagderthat too isn't sh
00:01:35Mikachuheh, wrote the {} out of habit
00:01:40Mikachubut the thing within should work in bash too
00:01:45*Bagder is portable by habit ;-)
00:01:49linuxstb_infamis: Have you got bmp files you want to use in Rockbox?
00:01:59BagderMikachu: bash, yes, sh no
00:02:19Mikachuwell, i think when you write a command locally, you can stretch the limits a bit
00:02:35BagderI'm just grumpy
00:03:34Mikachuso i have no idea what this command did
00:03:37Mikachufor b (*) {mkdir $TJO/$b:r; for a (`grep mnt/ipod $b`) {echo $a $b; cp $a $TJO/$b:r}; cp $b $TJO }
00:05:04infamislinuxstb_: no I'm just trying to bmp2rb the normal apps/plugins/bitmaps/native bitmaps
00:05:16infamissince make won't do it for me
00:05:49skwadnight all
00:06:03midkaynight skwad
00:06:14infamisso I did it by hand but had .bmp.c cause I had: for i in `ls *.bmp`; do bmp2rb $i > $i.c; done
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00:07:07linuxstb_Which bitmaps is make failing to convert? Does it convert any?
00:09:12infamisthe only file that exists in x5-sim-build/apps/plugins/native is bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.c & it has the text "can't read file" or somethinf that nature (and then there's dep-bitmaps-native)
00:09:36infamiswhich breaks make
00:10:28linuxstb_That's because the sim is broken for the x5
00:11:32infamiswhat's broke about it?
00:11:45infamisdan stelberg seems to think the sim works based on the forum threads in x5
00:12:13linuxstb_The sudoku bitmaps are missing, which cause compilation to fail.
00:12:20Bagderit doesn'
00:12:23Bagdert fail on linux
00:12:28Bagderonly on cygwin
00:12:31linuxstb_I know.....
00:12:47Bagderbut yes, it is that broken
00:13:03Bagderinfamis: I can build and run it fine
00:13:06*petur wonders why wasn't closed by linus
00:13:12Bagderit just doesn't work for all parts
00:13:23infamishmm...damn cygwin
00:13:52Bagderso, you need to fix the badness first
00:14:03Bagderor just edit them out from the SOURCES
00:14:21infamiswhat's the badness?
00:15:26Bagderyour build shoudl tell you
00:15:53Bagderthere's a lack of BMP files
00:16:13Bagderor if you want, the plugins shouldn't be built until there are such files
00:18:27infamisthe bmp files in exist apps/plugins/bitmaps/native but bmp2rb doesn't make them
00:18:34infamis"error can't read image"
00:18:50infamisout of the 71 it fails on 6 bmps
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00:20:00Bagderthen use make V=1
00:20:05Bagderto see the full command lines
00:20:11Bagderthen figure out why they fail
00:20:13Bagderand adjust
00:22:28BagderI think I'll adjust my ld to fail for this and possible fix these
00:22:48infamismaking now...cygwin is slow
00:23:12BagderS L O W
00:25:02Paul_The_NerdY'know, with the sources file, if you just changed all the defines for H120 (width == 160, height ==120, depth ==2) to depth >=2, wouldn't that fix the missing BMP issue for now?
00:26:32Paul_The_NerdIs there a define for X5?
00:27:59infamisalmost thought it was gonna work (doing the bmp2rbs by hand); til ld failed with undefined refs
00:28:10infamison bejeweled.c
00:29:15Paul_The_Nerdinfamis: Did you try just updating the sources file?
00:29:34infamisI wouldn't know which ones to update!
00:29:40infamisor how to!
00:30:10Paul_The_NerdWell, let me see if it works first.
00:31:50Paul_The_NerdI've got a few other plugins lying around that definitely won't run on X5, and I don't feel like fixing the keymappings for them, so I have to rearrange things so they don't build either.
00:32:32infamiswhat makes them not run on the x5? or it's yet to be determined?
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00:34:10Paul_The_NerdOh, well, they're just ones like Bubbles, Blackjack, and the dice roller, that aren't even in CVS.
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00:35:32*Paul_The_Nerd mutters.
00:35:38Paul_The_NerdI typed => rather than >=
00:37:20Paul_The_NerdIn /bitmaps/native there's a file called sources. If my theory is correct, there's a few lines that look like this: #elif (LCD_WIDTH == 160) && (LCD_HEIGHT == 128) && (LCD_DEPTH == 2) that should simply have (LCD_DEPTH >=2) instead, as a hack to let the x5sim build. At least until color bitmaps are put in for them.
00:37:59Paul_The_NerdYeah, with that *one* change, I got the x5sim to install. Well, two actually, since there's two lines that need to be modified.
00:38:06Paul_The_NerdBut one of them was for blackjack.
00:38:09Paul_The_NerdWhich you don't have.
00:38:29Paul_The_Nerdinfamis: Okay, use that and it'll work.
00:38:52infamiscool I'll try it out
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00:41:15Paul_The_NerdYeah, that definitely works. Just loaded up sudoku even.
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00:41:57Bagderok, I committed that fix
00:41:58Paul_The_NerdBagder: There's just one line in the apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/sources file that needs to be changed to let x5 sim build on cygwin.
00:42:11Paul_The_NerdToo fast for me.
00:42:50nave7693hi as of one hour ago the CVS source is not displaying japanese characters correctly on archos
00:44:21Bagderyou mean you cvs updated an hour ago?
00:44:54t0masor have you checked both builds?
00:46:05YouCeyEhi.. how do i use equalizer with rockbox?
00:46:12nave7693yes Bad
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00:46:34Bagdernave7693: and when did it last work?
00:46:50mirakI recorded a show friday and saturday
00:46:53nave7693Bagder: one day ago.
00:46:59aegraylinuxstb_: ping
00:47:06mirakthe input equaliser really allow to have a nice sound
00:47:15mirakon the H300, even with external mic
00:47:35Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: Go into the menu, and go to Sound Settings, and it's in there.
00:47:36peturinput equaliser?
00:47:43mirakI can record longer in wav than with a compressed mp3 and quality is better
00:47:57mirakpetur: well the gain and volume indicator
00:48:29YouCeyEPaul_The_Nerd, i dont have that option..
00:48:40Bagdernave7693: I have no explanation and I know very little about those parts
00:48:40mirakpetur: with iriver firmware I was just praying it would not be too loud, and since conditions were always changing
00:48:52YouCeyEi have volume,bass,trable... i want a prebuilt equalizer setting
00:49:10YouCeyEhow can i use preset equalizer?
00:49:11infamisDoes the enter button (on the pc-keyboard) work in the simulator?
00:49:11Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: Isn't "Eqaulizer" the bottom choice?
00:49:20Paul_The_Nerd"Equalizer" rather
00:49:29Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: WHat kind of mp3 player are you using?
00:49:32YouCeyEnope.. crossfeed the last one
00:49:36YouCeyEiriver h120
00:49:49Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: When is the last time you put a new version of rockbox on it?
00:49:49peturmirak: yes, otf peak meter and gain change is what makes it usable
00:50:26YouCeyEfeb 06 2006
00:50:34YouCeyEbootloader 6
00:51:03LinusNnave7693: are you sure that your settings are correct, especially the "default codepage" setting?
00:51:05Bagderfeb 6 is aaages ago ;-)
00:51:08Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: The equalizer was added on Feb 7.
00:51:21YouCeyElol.. ok Paul_The_Nerd :)
00:51:23Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: You need to download a daily or bleeding edge build.
00:51:27YouCeyEi will dl the latest now
00:51:54YouCeyEany updates on bootloader?
00:51:58infamisBMP2RB bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp /usr/src/rockbox-devel/tools/bmp2rb -f 4 -h /usr/src/rockbox-devel/x5-sim/pluginbitmaps bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp > /usr/src/rockbox-devel/x5-sim/apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.c
00:52:04infamisfails with "error can't read image
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00:52:27Bagderinfamis: then bmp2rb has problems on your system
00:52:27infamiswhich in bmp2rb.c meant it didn't read all of the data?
00:52:34Paul_The_Nerdinfamis: And that's with the change I suggested, and then erasing and making a new build directory?
00:52:52Paul_The_NerdOr at least rerunning configure
00:52:59Bagderthat bejeweled image isn't affected by that change
00:53:00infamisright, but I was still compiling while you suggested...and it just now finished
00:53:04Paul_The_NerdOh, bejeweled
00:53:16infamisno this is without the change!
00:53:24Paul_The_NerdYeah, but bejeweled wouldn't be affected by it
00:53:44infamisI started compiling with make V=1 and once that finished I was to post the exact command; now I'll try it with your change
00:53:54Paul_The_NerdThough you've done all those manual conversions, so I'm kinda wondering if they could get in the way now.
00:54:11infamisI deleted those manual ones before I make'd
00:54:51nave7693LinusN: thanks it works now
00:55:42MoosBagder, LinusN: hi, wiki spam
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00:55:55Paul_The_Nerdinfamis: I would suggest deleting the /apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/sources file, and doing a cvs up to get a clean one, just to make sure the change is right (since it's in CVS now)
00:56:09Paul_The_NerdAssuming you haven't made any other changes to it.
00:57:16peturMoos: nice comment he put in...
00:57:55peturoh... gone already :D
00:58:02Bagderkill kill kill
00:58:16Mooshehe :-)
00:58:30*petur wonders if we still have our chairman...
00:58:47Moosour african one ? :)
00:59:34peturyes, he's still there...
00:59:48BagderI couldn't see any harm in that
01:00:05Bagdera chairman can come useful ;-)
01:00:24Shadowarrior13How do people here compile without cygwin on windows?
01:00:29Shadowarrior13cygwin sucks so badly
01:00:33LinusNwe don't
01:00:48Shadowarrior13stfu :P
01:00:50Paul_The_NerdYeah, you compile without it in two steps: Acquire Cygwin, then compile with it.
01:01:05LinusNShadowarrior13: don't use windows then
01:01:06infamissome bmp2rb debugging: "error - Can't read image; read 6142, expected 6144" on bmp2rb with bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp
01:01:11Bagderthere's another way:
01:01:15Bagderinstall vmware, run linux, compile
01:01:16Shadowarrior13I know what's coming.
01:01:28LinusNShadowarrior13: the you don't have to use software that sucks
01:01:30Bagdervmware is vastly faster then cygwin
01:01:34Paul_The_NerdI bet if you were sufficiently determined you could get it running with mingw32 or something.
01:01:41peturI haven't tried colinux yet, it might be an alternative way to run linux under windows...
01:01:52JdGordoncolunix is good
01:01:58Bagderyes, mingw32 could very well work
01:02:00Shadowarrior13This is why everyone should host precompiled binaries for the noobs
01:02:01peturdoes it work?
01:02:04JdGordoni prefer it to cygwin.. but its a pain to setup
01:02:29JdGordonCAN be a pain to setup i should have said
01:02:54Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: The real key, is, once you have it set up is it faster for compiling?
01:03:07infamismaybe that bitmap has the wrong padded_width?
01:03:19mirakpetur: yes colinux is good
01:03:28mirakpetur: if you use command line mostly
01:03:31JdGordoni dunno... i wanst playing with rb last time i had colniux working properly
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01:04:04*petur moves colinux testing a bit up on his agenda
01:04:20Paul_The_Nerdinfamis: It works for me. It's possible that your bitmap is bad and needs replaced or something?
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01:04:52Paul_The_Nerdmirak: If you're on windows using cygwin to compile rockbox, all you're probably using is the command line.
01:05:22Paul_The_NerdMan, I need to stop talking to people right after they leave.
01:05:49infamisPaul_The_Nerd, the bitmap is from cvs though??
01:07:21Paul_The_Nerdinfamis: So's mine. Something's not working on your system though, so I was wondering if maybe your .bmp was corrupt or something.
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01:08:08 Part LinusN me thinking....
01:08:19peturbuild server is getting slower every commit...
01:08:34JdGordonshould i setup a colinux devkit image for rb?
01:08:37Bagderpetur: fix for that is pending now
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01:09:05peturJdGordon: would be nice, but no hurry ;)
01:09:30JdGordonhmm.. well i got all day to kill now seen as i only had 1 hour uni today.. and i cant really be bothered learning perl just yet
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01:19:56infamisif, when I installed cygwin & selected dos conversion (turning lf to crl & lf), would that affect bitmap files? (it shouldn't since it's binary...but if bmp2rb read 6142 & expected 6144, maybe it's expecting 2 extra bytes?) can someone do a bmp2rb on bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16.bmp -f 4 -h /usr/src/rockbox-devel/x5-sim/pluginbitmaps & see what the size (padded_width * height) number evals to?
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01:28:45infamisanyone still here or is it some odd time elsewhere in the world...6pm here
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01:29:07JdGordonim here
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01:29:52petur1:30 am and counting
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01:30:26JdGordononly 11.30am here
01:30:35JdGordonu odd ppl on the wrong side of the planet
01:30:45peturwhat day?
01:30:49Shadowarrior13Maybe YOU'RE on the wrong side!
01:30:54JdGordontomorow for u!
01:31:28peturwell here too, but will sleep a bit before using the rest of it :)
01:31:34SuperSnout____00:32 here =)
01:32:06linuxstbaegray: You pinged?
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01:34:24SuperSnouti have a problem with rockdoom.. each time i want to run it i have to run the doom.iriver file first other wise it just says that it is not compatable.. is this normal?
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01:34:49SuperSnoutok.. seems a bit awkward though..
01:35:01SuperSnoutwhat does doom.iriver actually do?
01:35:33linuxstbdoom.iriver will contain changes not in the CVS version of rockbox.iriver.
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01:37:01linuxstbCVS is where the official Rockbox code lives.
01:37:02peturwhere the official rb sources are
01:37:23JdGordonlinuxstb: is it just the plugin buffer size thats been changed for doom or is there more?
01:37:38SuperSnoutcan i move doom.iriver and doom.rock wherever i want?
01:37:46linuxstbNo, for the iriver the plugin buffer is the same size. There are just some functions added to the plugin API.
01:38:25JdGordonok, so um... why not add the changes and make it easier for every!?
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01:41:30linuxstbJdGordon: Yes, someone could do that...
01:41:38JdGordonhaha ok
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01:42:04peturlinuxstb: wasn't somebody looking at this?
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01:42:04*JdGordon doesnt have cvs access so randomly looks aorund the channel ffor someone who does...
01:42:43Adityaif I just run linux, I can compile and run rockbox without cygwin right?
01:43:06AdityaJdGordon: I think there is anonymous CVS access
01:43:19JdGordonAditya: , not for writing..
01:43:23JdGordonand yes, u can
01:43:28Adityaand oh cool
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01:44:44SuperSnout_____can i move doom.iriver and doom.rock wherever i want?
01:45:15linuxstbYes - but why don't you just use doom.iriver as your main version of Rockbox?
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01:48:28linuxstbWhere did you get doom.iriver and doom.rock from?
01:49:06AdityaDOOM.IRIVER AND ROCK SOLD HERE... 2 bucks a pop! get it right here...
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01:51:15peturstop shouting in the middle of the night :)
01:51:25AdityaI have a license!
01:52:05peturwhat country hands out licenses to shout?
01:52:12Adityamy country
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01:58:04superyeah and linux.. how would i make doom.iriver my main thing? just delete rockbox.iriver?
01:58:27JdGordonand rename doom.iriver to rockbox.iriver
01:58:35Adityawhats doom.iriver?
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02:10:08aegraylinuxstb: you did a lot with ffmpeg/libavcodec right?
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02:12:04linuxstbNot that much - mainly just extracting the flac decoder.
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02:14:52aegraydo you know if avcodec_decode_audio() returns raw pcm audio samples?
02:14:56aegrayor what it gives you
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02:19:08linuxstbaegray: No - I didn't actually try to use ffmpeg, I just ripped out some code from it.
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02:26:44Adityadoomrock is definitely not working
02:26:50Adityakeep getting something about base wads
02:27:32midkaythen they're not where they should be
02:27:39midkay /games/doom
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02:27:50midkayie /games/doom/DOOM2.WAD
02:27:59Adityathe instructions said /doom/
02:28:11midkayah, haha, that needs fixing :)
02:28:22Adityaok.. lets give this another try
02:29:23midkaywhatcha playing on?
02:29:48Adityastill the same thing
02:33:27midkaylatest version?
02:33:42AdityaI think I will just get this H300 opimized
02:33:50Adityait has a bunch of stuff inbuilt
02:34:27midkayi've heard about it
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02:35:10midkaynot officially supported, by the way...
02:35:16midkayanyways, i'll be back in a half-hour or so
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02:43:14jackinabox^hi all
02:44:16Adityaerr bah
02:44:20AdityaI ran doom.rock
02:44:25Adityaand its just stuck
02:44:32Adityawith -1 >= numlumps
02:44:37Adityaand now I cant shutoff my player
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02:56:03jackinabox^ghost town... as usual
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02:59:42jackinabox^hi strath
02:59:55jackinabox^and BHS
03:00:09Strathhello jack
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03:15:35jackinabox^what's up strath? sorry was in about 4 other windows as well :)
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03:16:31Strathnot much, just socializing
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03:16:51jackinabox^good way to be...still sunday where u're from?
03:17:20Strathfor the next 4 hours
03:17:47jackinabox^cool, it's 10:15 am monday here
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03:19:02Strathquite the diff
03:19:28jackinabox^indeed, u must be eastern coast US?
03:20:09Strathmidwest (central time zone)
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03:20:44jackinabox^ok :) what state?
03:21:08Strath 4256'38.93"N 90 2'30.33"W
03:22:11JdGordonBHSPitLappy: u around?
03:22:20BHSPitLappyno, I'm inside
03:22:22BHSPitLappywhat's up?
03:22:37jackinabox^nah, no good with co-ordinates and i don't have a map handy
03:22:37JdGordonnm, i got fotoz of the skin if u wanna
03:24:00JdGordonlooks better irl, and will be better still when i get it printed again with more black!
03:24:10JdGordonbut huge thanx
03:24:22BHSPitLappyanyone know if rockbox bootloader will freak out if it sees a hfs+ partition?
03:25:53BHSPitLappyI did that.
03:26:06BHSPitLappyI influenced an Australian landmark.
03:26:24BHSPitLappygo to a printing place
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03:26:34JdGordonna, its expensive...
03:26:34BHSPitLappythe australian version of "Kinko's" :P
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03:34:04Jungti1234hm... morning
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03:41:10Shadowarrior13Anyone know the key combo in iPod to reset the color scheme?
03:41:24Shadowarrior13I've reinstalled it, rewritten the bootloader, and it still won't change.
03:41:39Shadowarrior13(I accidentally made the bg black, now I can't see the text >.<)
03:42:18Shadowarrior13No, the color of the background.
03:42:53infamisI'm saying can you activate the backlight & will that bring up text? I don't know rockbox or the iPod...just a guess
03:43:17JdGordonShadowarrior13: didnt u do that yesterday as well?
03:43:26Shadowarrior13It's continued from yesterday.
03:43:41Shadowarrior13I can't gauge how many times I go down+up to navigate my way to the reset option.
03:43:54JdGordoni agve u the button combo to reset it....
03:44:13Shadowarrior13No, you gave me where to go, which I can't use.
03:44:24JdGordonbah, sure u can...
03:44:27Shadowarrior13eg. up 3, down 2, blah blah blah
03:44:29JdGordonanyway.. try menu+select
03:44:39Shadowarrior13That restarts...
03:46:22JdGordonumm... you could put an older versino or rockbox.ipod ont he player, run it then put the new 1 back on
03:46:25JdGordonthat will reset it
03:46:28Shadowarrior13Good idea.
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03:46:53*JdGordon goes in and adds a warning for such silly behaviour..
03:47:29Shadowarrior13Another good idea :P
03:48:05JdGordongrr... i cant... linuxstb changed the way the widget works... so it cant be done _simply_, i mean it can, but its a bit yuky..
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03:50:44infamisanyone know where to get the sdl package from? on cygwin you just type in & select it....what about linux? don't see it anywhere in docs
03:54:41Jungti1234 ?
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03:55:15infamisJungti1234: that's for cygwin though...what about linux?
03:55:33AdityaI dont know if you really need to get anything for linux
03:55:34Jungti1234I got it at there. I use windows.
03:55:39Adityabut I could be wrong
03:56:04JdGordonweee.. an apache just flew over my house... gg commomwealth games security training :D
03:56:43psycho_maniacanybody here currenlty own a apple 5g with rockbox on it?
03:57:02Shadowarrior13 Me.
03:57:03Aditya*make a cross* apple!!
03:57:07infamisI need it something cause on ../tools/configure it errs out with sdl-config not ofund
03:57:09Shadowarrior13<3 apple
03:57:13Shadowarrior13<3 <3 linux
03:57:27Aditya<3 linux
03:57:32Aditya<3 windows xp
03:57:38Aditya<3 iRiver
03:57:42Adityabut apple.. meh..
03:57:43*Shadowarrior13 throws holy water on Aditya
03:57:50AdityaI am already holy...
03:57:58psycho_maniaci curently own a h120 and am wanting a apple 5g. how far is rockbox on apple ?
03:58:04Shadowarrior13It's the windows corrupting your soul
03:58:04Adityamy iRiver battery is getting old...
03:58:10Shadowarrior13psycho, it's everything anything else can do.
03:58:20Shadowarrior13Except for doom.
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03:58:29psycho_maniac........i dont need that.. haha
03:58:41JdGordongrr.. not an apache.. a blackhawk :D
03:58:42Shadowarrior13Well, doom completes me.
03:58:42infamisanyone? SDL for linux...where? what the hell does SDL stand for so I could at least sort out some google results?
03:58:45psycho_maniacso then if i got it the only differece from the apple would be COLOR ?
03:58:57Shadowarrior13Lots of beautiful color.
03:59:04psycho_maniacdamn now i really want one
03:59:09Adityathats why I didn't get the apple back then
03:59:15Adityacause color cost extra
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03:59:20Shadowarrior13And video.
03:59:20Adityaand well.. it still does somewhat
03:59:27Adityaapple has it now
03:59:31psycho_maniacim saving up for the 5g 60gb..i dont eve have that much space lol
03:59:32Adityabut for like a 100 bucks more
03:59:34Shadowarrior13I <3 my videoness
03:59:42Shadowarrior13I've got a white 60gig :P
03:59:47AdityaI might buy a new mp3 player and it will probably be the H10
03:59:51Adityaor maybe one from iAudio
03:59:57psycho_maniacyeah thats the only bad part you have to run apple to watch videos but i can prolly wait till rockbox has that working
04:00:35psycho_maniacbecause the second well within the hour i get my apple im gonna install rockbox on it and not even run the apple firmware
04:00:38Adityathe nano is pretty neat though
04:00:47Adityano video and all that shebang but fuck is it small
04:00:56Adityaits like not even the size of my finger
04:01:12Shadowarrior13The nano has video on linux :P
04:01:17Shadowarrior13I hate it, I miss the mini.
04:01:29Adityanano kind of trumps the minis
04:01:33Adityathey do about the same
04:01:35Adityaand are bigger
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04:01:47Shadowarrior13But the mini was just better. It was tough as hell, and looked better.
04:01:54Shadowarrior13And you wouldn't lose it in the carpet.
04:01:59AdityaI read that the nano was like insanely touch
04:02:16Adityathey threw it out of a car doing 30 mph...
04:02:18Shadowarrior13Besides, the mini was made of METAL :P
04:02:27AdityaI doubt that
04:02:29Shadowarrior13I think they just shoulda given the mini a color screen.
04:02:34Adityait was probably just really hard plastic
04:02:39Shadowarrior13No, it was metal.
04:02:44Shadowarrior13I had one.
04:03:19psycho_maniacdidnt they have metal on the back?
04:03:30Shadowarrior13No, the mini was fully metal.
04:03:40Shadowarrior13I don't care about that one test :P
04:03:41psycho_maniacwoah really !
04:03:54Shadowarrior13I've seen at least 4 broken nanos from petty drops in my group of friends.
04:04:09Shadowarrior13Usually the screen.
04:04:28psycho_maniacbut the regular ipods have metal on the back dont they?
04:04:29Adityaeverything has freak-exceptions
04:04:34Adityapsycho_maniac: yes
04:04:37Strathfull metal jacket?
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04:04:51Adityamy windows xp install hasn't crashed.. ever
04:05:02Adityaand a lot of my friends have the same experience
04:05:09Adityabut there are others out there that have problems
04:05:12Adityasame deal
04:05:55psycho_maniacive had the xp intall crash as well
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04:06:34infamiswhere do you download/install sdl from on linux? :(
04:07:01Adityawhat the?
04:08:28psycho_maniacwhats that pic for?
04:10:07Jungti1234Italy is So Romantic
04:10:58Shadowarrior13Okaaay then.
04:12:23Adityaso a guy with dreds smoking on the sidewalk is romantic?
04:12:30Adityaokay... whatever floats your boat
04:13:13Jungti1234It's not my way of thinking.
04:13:30Jungti1234I hate smoking.
04:14:59infamisnevermind I found it... it'd be nice if the rb docs or wiki explained where to get sdl...
04:15:24infamis...for those who don't know what it is
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04:20:11infamisbelieve me that was the first thing I did...but "Simple DirectMedia Layer" doesn't sound like a simulator
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04:21:08infamisI ended up going to & google searched for sdl-1.2.9-1
04:22:23midkayfirst google link's description is "A cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide fast access to the graphics framebuffer and audio device." - makes sense to me.. graphics, audio, media.. *shrug*. :)
04:22:58infamisI was looking for the word "simulator"...
04:23:18midkayah, well, it's not exactly a simulator..
04:23:46infamisrockbox website fails to describe what it is..except that it's for the what can [a noob] say?
04:24:23midkayi'd agree it should be better describled.. cygwin installation instructions tell you to simply install sdl from the rockbox mirror, you shouldn't need to know much more if that's the way you're doing it?..
04:24:30midkaydescribed* :
04:25:14infamisright, for Cygwin it says, just click the checkbox. but now since I'm on linux...I was clueless as to how/where to get it
04:25:30midkayaha. hm.
04:25:42midkayit's not in the crosscompiler docs or anything? that's kind of odd
04:26:20infamisnope...sdl / SDL is nowhere on the 'guide to cross-compiling'
04:27:05midkayhm, well, feel free to add it, i suppose.. :)
04:27:05infamisand the UISimulator doc expects that you already have sdl installed/config'd
04:28:00Shadowarrior13Damnit, where does rockbox store the information about color settings?
04:28:04Shadowarrior13It's somehow not resetting
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04:31:02Jungti1234Rockbox is slow the playing speed.
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04:42:19infamismidkay: I edited the cross-compiling wiki page....but...
04:42:41infamisinstallation guide of sdl is probably needed?
04:43:01midkayinfamis, good.. hmm.. probably useful, but a link is at least a very good start. :)
04:43:07midkaymight add it to the uisim doc too..
04:43:32infamisI did the usual configure/make/make install; it was built; but when I run rockboxui, I get a "fatal: No available video device"
04:46:24infamis...this is an SDL problem not detecting X?
04:47:35midkayhm. i really have no idea, you could try editing the config file if it says have_x is 'no'..
04:52:51infamisdo you know wher the X11 includes & libraries are?
04:53:07midkaynot sure, no, sorry
04:53:09infamisI tried forcing have_x to no but it still says "checking for" on the configure script
04:53:19infamis*to yes I mean
04:53:27midkayafter it configures, go and edit the config to "yes"
04:53:36midkay(edit the makefile perhaps?)
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04:57:16infamisedited config.log (as that & the configure script were the only ones with "have_x" in it) to set it from no to yes, but same result.
04:57:22*infamis hates being a noob :(
04:57:29Adityawho doesn't
04:57:49infamisthe non-noobs :)
04:58:06Adityathats a vacuous case
05:00:45infamistold you I was a noob...
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05:05:55Zoide777has anyone gotten tagdatabase to work w/ unicode?
05:06:39Zoide777I created a db with SongDB.jar (and also w/ the perl version) but then I can't open the songs whose filenames have special characters (e.g. accented vowels)
05:08:36infamissdl won't compile without the x includes/libs when you force have_x to yes cause missing header files gives compile errors...having to install X from scratch is gonna suck :(
05:09:12Jungti1234Zoide777: About it markun may know.
05:09:29Jungti1234I'm not sure.
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05:15:08infamisoh well...X from scratch install: XFree86 or X11?
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05:23:42midkayinfamis, you're sure an X reinstall will fix it?
05:26:13infamisor at least some way to grab the includes for it
05:26:41infamisI have the libs in /usr/X11R6/lib, but in /usrX11R6/include, there's nothing
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05:27:24webguest41hey all
05:27:31infamisexcept for a /usr/X11R6/include/X11/bitmaps directory with files in it
05:29:21infamisor if I could find the devel X11 package for redhat (if one exists) is my best alternative I'm guessing
05:30:00midkayyeah, that might work..
05:37:32infamisdamn all this downloading. used to think DSL was fast
05:41:05midkayinfamis, haha
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05:45:11Jungti1234What is 'Extension array full'?
05:45:44midkayJungti1234, i don't know, where did you see it?
05:46:02Jungti1234language file
05:46:17Jungti1234saa[b_r]ider: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:46:24Jungti1234saa[b_r]ider: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:46:28Jungti1234um? ;;
05:46:37Jungti1234=> id: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:46:54Jungti1234sorry saab
05:47:30midkaywhat does it say for "eng"?
05:47:51Jungti1234saa[b_r]ider: LANG_FILETYPES_EXTENSION_FULL
05:47:51Jungti1234desc: Extension array full
05:47:51DBUGEnqueued KICK Jungti1234
05:47:51Jungti1234eng: "Extension array full"
05:47:57Jungti1234damn irc
05:48:04midkayhm, wait
05:49:04midkayyou're ..
05:49:18midkayin a directory with a large amount of extensions (too many to hold)..
05:49:40midkaywhat model?
05:49:43midkayof playert
05:50:01midkaythen you're in a folder with more than 64 file extensions, i think.
05:50:55midkayi'm not quite sure what they mean by extensions, but i'm pretty sure it's the file extension (.mp3, .rock etc..)
05:51:08Jungti1234ex) abc.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnop ?
05:51:45midkaypossibly, or maybe like.. blah.a, blah.b, blah.c ... blah.z - and then blah.aa,, ... blah.zz - etc.
05:51:54Jungti1234What is 'Filetype array full'?
05:52:21midkay /* max filetypes (plugins & icons stored here) */
05:52:34midkayi'm not sure..
05:54:13midkaybe right back
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05:56:14infamiswhat does this mean: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
05:56:41infamiseven if I have
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06:00:37infamisdoesn't "-lXXX" in gcc mean it's looking for
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06:01:04earHertzit means it's looking for libXXXX
06:01:23earHertzwhether it find .so or .a or something else depends
06:01:35earHertzon other settings
06:02:06infamistook off the extensnion but same error...
06:02:15earHertzon some setup, it may even find libXXXX.dll
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06:02:43earHertzinfamis: go ask in ##linux
06:03:23infamiscan't join another channel using the webclient :(
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06:05:30Jungti1234-> /join ##linux - Doesn't it work?
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06:06:22midkayey. earHertz! ;)
06:06:22infamis*** Access to channel #linux is blocked
06:06:33midkayyou can't use the web client to get in another channel, no.
06:06:52earHertzmidkay: !
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06:07:57midkayhm? :)
06:08:12Jungti1234I don't understand 'filetype'
06:08:57midkayJungti1234, nor do i - i would think it would be the file's type, like mp3 or wav or zip.. but you'd also think that it's the same as 'extension'.
06:09:16Jungti1234thank you
06:09:24earHertzor th mime type
06:09:26midkayno problem
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06:11:56earHertzmime type: what email clients and web browsers use to determine file type
06:21:08infamisalright I quit...finally got sdl to compile with X when building the rockbox sim I get all these undefined references from to X***
06:22:45infamisthis is why I could never be a real programmer...wasting 4 hours for something broken to compile...ahhhh!
06:23:14JdGordonhaha poor bugger
06:27:36BHSPitLappytoo bad he's also a poor DE-bugger!
06:27:45*BHSPitLappy feels like a nerd now.
06:27:54*infamis agrees
06:29:06infamisoh well, guess I gotta install X from scratch then :(
06:29:19infamisjust so rockbox can
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06:38:24infamissdl-config still puts out -lX11 .. I wanna change it to be /usr/X11R6/lib/ in the tools/configure to with sed?
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06:45:39JdGordondoes any1 know how to compile a executable on linux and tell it to dynamically link in with certain libs at run time?
06:46:16infamiswish I knew.
06:50:22*infamis cries cause he got rockbox to compile the simulator yet still gets 'no available video device' on ./rockboxui
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06:53:20coobJdGordon: compile with -lnameoflib
06:53:25coobor man dlopen
06:54:09JdGordondlopn is used to manually load up a dl... -l automatically does the same?
06:54:45JdGordoni mean, im trying to get this stupid program to compile on unix without having the nescacery libs, but it will be on the target comp...
06:54:55JdGordonso -llib will work without adding any code?
06:58:22JdGordoncoob: did any of that make sense?
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07:01:11coobyou'll need the libs
07:01:23coobbut yes, unless you compile staticlly it wont add any code.
07:03:47JdGordoncoob: is there a way to get gcc to let me know which functinos its missing so i can work out which libs are actually needed?
07:05:22coobit should tell you when you try to compile.
07:05:44coobtry a generic help channel, this is a channel for rockbox stuff
07:07:39josh_JdGordon: you need all the libs so gcc knows *where* the symbols are (more specifically than "in libc" or something) - it relieves some of the stress from, which is good because that means apps can load faster.
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07:39:31infamishmm...anyone know how to make & install sdl...
07:40:10B4gderthere's an sdl package on for cygwin
07:40:17infamis...under linux
07:40:27Jungti1234Just alike answer
07:40:28infamisredhat 9 to be exact
07:40:41B4gderdownload source, configure, make, make install I'd guess
07:41:00B4gderor possibly there's an RPM around
07:41:08infamiswhat if I don't have the x includes & libs
07:41:37B4gderthen you won't be able to build it
07:41:41B4gderI'd guess
07:42:04infamiscan I get them from somewhere?
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07:42:40B4gderredhat will offer you X11, and they are also downloadable as source too
07:42:46infamiswithout recompiling x
07:42:59B4gderyou don't need to compile anything to get header files
07:43:03infamismy redhat 9 does not have the includes
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07:43:35infamisonly the libs...and sdl can't find the libs on link
07:43:52infamisusing -lX11 -lXext
07:45:37infamisbasically I spent 4-5 hours trying to get sdl to build & when it finally did, I still got "no available video devices" when running ./rockboxui
07:46:38B4gderand you have all libs it wants to use?
07:46:47B4gderand you have them in dirs the linker will scan for them=
07:47:21infamisyeah I have -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 & ld still gives an error that it couldn't find the lib
07:47:40B4gderthen you don't have libX11 ?
07:48:08infamisand also /usr/X11R6/lib/ exists
07:48:18infamisand also /usr/X11R6/lib/ exists
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07:52:42Jungti1234What is 'Paged Scrolling'?
07:53:09Jungti1234Is it same with 'Screen Scrolls Out Of View'?
07:59:00infamisI sure as hell don't know :)
08:02:08midkayJungti1234, paged scrolling means that when the cursor reaches the bottom of the screen, when you press down again it goes to the top of a new screen
08:02:10midkayenable it and try
08:02:46Jungti1234I did not know its directions.
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08:03:17Jungti1234I didn't know it.
08:03:29midkayit's ok :) but if you try you'll understand better
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08:08:28amiconnwiki spam...
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08:20:07infamisX11r6.9 here I come :(
08:20:29*B4gder whispers debian...
08:20:53infamisdebian > redhat?
08:21:01B4gderby far I'd say
08:21:15B4gderredhat is rpm hell
08:21:24B4gdermore free than redhat even
08:21:45infamisI actually paid for redhat!??!?
08:22:06B4gderwell, you wouldn't have to since you can download redhat for free
08:22:54infamisyea, tried to like 4 times...on 56k...each download failed the crc or I ended up buying the redhat for dummies book that came with the os...
08:23:17infamisstill have yet to read it
08:23:27BHSPitLappydon't they have a net install?
08:23:53B4gderon 56K I figure buying a CD is cheaper than being online for 2 weeks non-stop for the install :-)
08:24:10BHSPitLappymore convenient
08:24:22BHSPitLappybut I would take the challenge ;)
08:24:23infamisright, that's why I just gave in after the 4th download (aka, 3 weeks of tieing up the phone line)
08:25:15infamiswe only had one phone line for voice &, parents didn't like that!
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08:31:56infamis...what makes one distro better than the other if they're all "linux" & can all run the same programs?
08:33:17earHertzsome distros contribute to the republican party
08:33:22qwmdifferent packaging systems, comes with different programs/tools, different goals/purposes, different philosophies..
08:33:39earHertzotjhers are run by furriners and godless communists
08:33:48earHertzonly use sco linux
08:36:04qwmare you about to say something stupid, Lappy?
08:36:41infamiscrap...building X11 & I'm running out of disk space...20MB free...
08:38:17infamis16MB free...
08:38:28midkaydelete some schitt! quickly!
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08:39:08robin_is the battery indicator for the nano already working?
08:39:44Mikachuinfamis: press ctrl-s in the compiling terminal
08:39:53Mikachuthen ctrl-q to resume
08:40:21earHertzdon't do it! that's teh misslile lauch code!
08:40:42infamisare you guys trying to mess with me...
08:40:55earHertzI am
08:42:28infamisctrl s &
08:42:44infamisI freed up 20MB
08:43:20earHertzdelete your porn tyhat's usually about aterrabyte
08:43:50earHertzor just /midgets and donkeys
08:43:54infamisI keep that under windows & the NTFS partition isn't writable from linux :(
08:44:06infamisor... :)
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08:45:38infamisno need to delete anything.....X11 just gave an error & I don't feel like debugging...I'll just download Debian & start all over tomorrow...
08:46:37infamiswell....nighty night...I'm out
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08:57:59amiconnBoth debian-unstable-amd64 and debian-testing-x86 don't seem to like me...
08:58:35midkayamiconn, well of course, can you blame them? ;) j/k
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09:04:00amiconnAh, I can go down to testing on my amd64 - finally!
09:04:36B4gderI switch to the new cvs builds system now
09:04:59JdGordonwhats chaning?
09:05:04Jungti1234Rich men
09:05:28B4gderthe most visible change for all of us is vastly faster cvs builds
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09:09:01Jungti1234What is 'Clipping light'?
09:09:42B4gderthe mailing list is good
09:10:49Jungti1234hehehe thankyou
09:11:09Jungti1234It's unskillful that I use it.
09:12:39Jungti1234B4gder, sorry. I don't understand it...
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09:20:31Jungti1234um.... perhaps..
09:21:32Jungti1234Does it keep that backlight are lighted continuously at recording?
09:21:46Mikachuonly when clipping
09:23:01Jungti1234I don't know clipping...
09:23:20Jungti1234scissoring? cut?
09:23:49Mikachuif the sound from recording is too strong, some parts will be the same when they shouldn't
09:24:14Mikachulike in this picture
09:25:17Mikachuif you still don't understand, i'm sorry
09:25:37Jungti1234Does it refine sound?
09:26:57Jungti1234I don't understand well English..... sorry :(
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09:31:24Jungti1234Mikachu! oh thanks
09:31:44Jungti1234now I understood it.
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09:43:44MikachuJungti1234: great
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09:50:04peturB4gder or Bagder here?
09:51:30peturnice to split cvs and daily builds, maybe the 'copy' of this on the forums site should be updated as well?
09:51:57B4gderbut the forums are done by Jeff et all
09:52:33peturwell it's just a detail anyway...
09:52:33B4gderbut yes, we should point that out to them
09:53:38LinusNi'm changing it now
09:53:52JdGordonB4gder: while your playying.. get rid of the sim32 builds in the table if they arnt being done anymore...?
09:54:05B4gderthey aren't done and they will vanish
09:54:20B4gderthat's all automatic
09:54:41petur? but there's no build result for them in the table
09:55:10B4gderno, but the columns are based on more data than what is visible in the table
09:55:32peturah I see (or don't to be precise ;) )
09:55:47B4gderthe first pass of the scripts gathers all build types
09:55:57B4gderand the second output the last N entries
09:56:07B4gdersimply speaking
09:56:39B4gderand thus "all types" are all existing in the build logs we have, and we have N days backlog
09:57:13B4gderso it takes N days for a build to vanish
09:57:17peturI'm sure there's a reason for this
09:57:21B4gderwith N being 8 I believe
09:57:45B4gderwell, it can of course be improved
09:57:53B4gderI just find it not that important
09:58:11peturnot important, just a bit confusing
09:58:40B4gderI think most people understand that a blank column means it isn't building
10:11:27JdGordondoes any1 know if rockword can edit txt files on the player?
10:11:50peturI think it only edits txt files
10:12:47JdGordonhmm.. im getting incompatible version.. gonna haveta compile it myself.
10:13:02LinusNthe forum menu is updated
10:13:53B4gderand the cvs build takes a very long time... :-/
10:14:19LinusNseveral seconds? :-)
10:14:29B4gderexpected to complete around 09:00:42
10:15:08peturyour code is too complex :)
10:18:02B4gderI need to add some clever logs for me to check build server status
10:23:28peturand your averaging calc is a tiny bit off too: 38 builds in 733 seconds makes 19 seconds/build :P
10:23:50earHertzbuilds take a lot longer than they did twio years ago
10:23:52earHertza lot longer
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10:23:53earHertzand my compile machine is 4 times fastrs and with twice teh cpus as two years ago
10:23:55earHertzanyone use teh DatabaseV2?
10:24:30peturdoes gcc use multiple cpu?
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10:24:45B4gderpetur: why is that off?
10:25:15B4gderif you round it, yes
10:25:31peturoff from the actual build times I meant...
10:25:38B4gder I'd say
10:25:46peturby several orders of magnitude...
10:25:58B4gderhow do you know?
10:26:15B4gderyou haven't seen these builds before
10:26:37B4gderwe've run this for many days and I'd say that build time is about accurate
10:26:47LinusNi see them now, and it has so far taken 28 minutes :-P
10:26:52B4gderyou're thinking about the old builds
10:27:22B4gderwell we can never know how long a new build will take
10:27:31B4gderonly how long previous builds have taken
10:27:48LinusNi guess one of the build machines has problems
10:27:57B4gderand of course with distributde builds, one or few server problems will affect build times drastically
10:27:57peturnevermind, I don't know the build system so I don't know what I'm talking about anyway...
10:28:03JdGordonif you want faster builds put more errors in them !!!
10:28:42B4gderthe build time is based on the previous 4 builds
10:29:07peturare we distributed already?
10:29:26B4gderthis is three machines building
10:29:34coobadd more machines :)
10:29:36peturwow, ok.. that explains the 19 seconds...
10:29:47B4gderI'm in the process of adding another build server
10:30:17B4gderI'll announce the news soon
10:30:21B4gderand ask for more servers
10:30:37JdGordonill dontae my comp to the cause..
10:30:49JdGordoni assume its just install distcc and give u the ip?
10:31:07B4gderdistcc wasn't good enough for us
10:31:27B4gderdistcc is only good if you have really fast net and slow compiles
10:31:43B4gderwe have slow net and quite fast compiles
10:31:58B4gderthus we hand out "complete" builds to the server
10:32:15B4gderand transfer the complete results back
10:32:59B4gdert0mas is the man behind the buildscript going distributed
10:33:49peturmaybe instead of the score, you could show how many servers were used to compile, and have some indicator of the number that's available at the moment...
10:35:13JdGordonhow long was each buikd b4?
10:35:31B4gder~60 seconds
10:36:22JdGordonhmm... does cygwin really slow it down? or is my comp just shite?? im at 4min already :p
10:36:35peturblame cygwin
10:36:50B4gdercygwin is MUST slower
10:37:01peturHEY I thought you were on colinux?
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10:37:06B4gderanyone tried ccache on cygwin?
10:39:03JdGordonpetur: u talknig to me?
10:39:21JdGordonsetting up the image now
10:40:00*petur gives his memorybanks another kick
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10:46:19B4gderwhat's there?
10:46:58Jungti1234__It's similar with Rockbox.
10:47:33JdGordonis there an english site?
10:47:53Jungti1234__sorry. Isn't.
10:48:22B4gderfor the iriver pmp then I guess?
10:49:36Jungti1234__ - windows.. haha
10:50:17XavierGruf, does anyone has any previous experience with iriver Germany over the phone?
10:50:23Jungti1234__Wrong spelling
10:50:33JdGordonhahah @ windows
10:50:56peturW2K isn't that bad...
10:51:24t0mas[10:36:28] <JdGordon> hmm... does cygwin really slow it down? or is my comp just shite?? im at 4min already :p
10:51:37t0mascygwin is really SLOW, and we use ccache to speed up the builds...
10:51:46peturIn fact it's the first and last decent windows version they made...
10:51:48t0masmy normal linux builds take > 1 min. too
10:52:04B4gdert0mas: I'm running the script as my user now
10:52:10B4gdersomething is seriously weird
10:52:36Jungti1234__hahaha KOF
10:53:09peturno, 404
10:53:33peturseems previuos cvs build failed completely
10:54:14peturgood that Linus is committing X5 stuff at high tempo to test it
10:54:22Jungti1234__B4gder: yes, King of Fighters
10:54:42t0masB4gder: have you killed mine?
10:54:51B4gderJungti1234 and that is... ?
10:54:53B4gdert0mas: yes
10:55:08t0masrunning as your uid, in my install dir?
10:55:10B4gdert0mas: after ~40 minutes building
10:55:16B4gdert0mas: yes
10:55:22t0masthat might be a problem
10:55:34B4gderok, you can run it instead
10:55:51B4gderwe need finegrained debug info on the build I guess
10:55:57t0masI have that
10:56:05t0mastail -f /home/tomas/rockbox-auto/dgblog
10:56:06B4gderespecially if the servers are down
10:56:13B4gderthat log had three lines
10:56:17t0masit prints out warnings there
10:56:17B4gderafter ~40 minutes
10:56:24t0maswhat was it?
10:56:52B4gderDBG: Cvs update done, diff = 1
10:56:52B4gderDBG: Creating temp. buildpage.
10:56:52B4gderDBG: Building now...
10:57:05t0masok, and it never got to building
10:57:15B4gderit stuck in a ssh process
10:57:19t0masand I know why
10:57:28t0masyou didn't have the host keys for those servers...
10:57:35B4gderbut that was your build
10:57:42t0masmy uid?
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10:57:50B4gderwhich made me start fiddling
10:58:26B4gderdo restart a build with your user and see that it works
10:58:46B4gdert0mas: the ssh process took lots of cpu % so it wasn't just hanging
10:58:49earHertzholy crap. the top googgle result for "knuth christmas lectures" is the rockbox mail archive
10:58:51JdGordonwhich version of gcc should i put into the colinux image? the crosscompiler wiki page has a diff version for all the targets..
10:59:14B4gderJdGordon: that's correct, you should use the ones for the specific targets to get best results
10:59:44t0masB4gder, these look kind of weird:
10:59:45t0mas24834 pts/19 00:00:00 find <defunct>
10:59:45t0mas24949 pts/19 00:38:24 ssh <defunct>
10:59:53B4gdert0mas: I noticed that too
11:00:04LinusNJdGordon: each target has its own version of the gcc compiler
11:00:04peturearHertz: not here
11:00:08B4gderthe ssh one might be caused by my kill
11:00:30t0masI can't kill them
11:00:38t0massame for these:
11:00:39t0mas24951 pts/19 00:00:00 ssh
11:00:39t0mas24953 pts/19 00:00:00 ssh
11:00:52peturearHertz: and I blame him for ever making cweb ...
11:01:04B4gdert0mas: yeps, I tried to kill them too as root
11:01:26t0mastomas@labb:~$ ps -U tomas
11:01:32t0masjust 3 nice working processes
11:01:33skwadLinusN: is the power button working on your simulator for x5 ?
11:01:41peturearHertz: yes... don't go near it
11:01:46LinusNskwad: i have no idea
11:01:55B4gdert0mas: ok, so force a build and see if you can make it build fine
11:02:03peturearHertz: gives completely different results as
11:02:04t0mas-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast dast 2935 Feb 27 10:48 chlog-2006-02-27 09:48:00.html
11:02:04t0mas-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast dast 3731 Feb 27 10:51 chlog-2006-02-27 09:51:36.html
11:02:04skwadok no problem,
11:02:06t0mas-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast dast 3731 Feb 27 10:55 chlog-2006-02-27 09:55:02.html
11:02:09t0masthose should be mine :)
11:02:11t0mascan you change that?
11:02:15LinusNskwad: i doubt that it works as a power button anyhow
11:02:19t0maschown -R tomas:rockbox *
11:02:27t0masin rockbox-auto would be good
11:03:09skwadLinusN: I tried many times but it is like the power button doesn't work
11:03:13B4gdert0mas: done
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11:03:42B4gdert0mas: as you might've spotted, we now use these builds on the site
11:03:48B4gderand I shut off the old builds
11:04:02t0mashave you moved anything?
11:04:12B4gderno, I'm symlinking to your stuff
11:04:43LinusNskwad: what do expect to happen when you push it?
11:05:01skwadi tried with plugin mandelbrot, it should exit
11:06:19LinusNskwad: maybe you need to fix the sim button driver then?
11:06:35linuxstb_The problem with the X5 sim is that both PLAY and POWER are mapped to the same button (PLUS) in uisimulator/sdl/button.c
11:06:56LinusNbtw, using the power switch as a regular button is pretty awkward anyway
11:07:04LinusNon the x5
11:07:07t0masB4gder: it has some problems with the privkey...
11:07:09t0mastouched that?
11:10:04t0masB4gder: ok, it stopped working because you chowned the private key
11:10:25t0masit must be owner by the user, and have mode 600
11:10:51linuxstb_Have the distributed builds gone live now?
11:10:52t0masif you change that, the ssh process will just give a warning and hang
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11:11:08t0masB4gder: and you've edited some of my debug lines?
11:12:03B4gdert0mas: it didn't hang, it ran at high cpu
11:12:19t0masmaybe it got in a loop
11:12:23t0masno servers availible...
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11:14:51peturit's the same guy again
11:14:56t0masthis one: ?
11:15:09JdGordonok, i just installed ssh and when i try to login my ssh client just closes??? do i need to do something on the linux box to enable users to login?
11:16:01JdGordonye, putty closes
11:16:08t0masthats a setting...
11:16:13t0mason the main settings screen
11:16:21t0mas"Close window on exit"
11:16:24t0masset it to never
11:16:24XavierGrLinus is it intended that the H300 starts with a long press of PLAY instead of normal press?
11:16:30t0masand try again, then you should see the error
11:17:28LinusNXavierGr: yes
11:17:59XavierGris there a reason, or?
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11:19:28peturavoid accidental press?
11:19:30LinusNto prevent that you turn it on by mistake in your pocket
11:19:50LinusNgranted, the h300 buttons are quite hard to press by mistake
11:19:53JdGordont0mas: cant find the setting :p
11:19:55XavierGrcause the buttons are on top? Because H100 starts with normal press
11:19:59XavierGrah okay
11:20:16peturand you can always use the hold key....
11:20:23t0masJdGordon: when you start putty, you have to type in the hostname etc right?
11:20:33t0mason that screen, bottom... just above the ok button
11:20:40JdGordonoh bugger
11:20:45LinusNXavierGr: also, the h300 onkey handling hardware is quite different from the h100
11:20:55t0masit's working again
11:21:12JdGordon"connection closed by remote host"
11:22:02peturwhat about this: if you press on and then nothing within 30 seconds, power down again....
11:22:04t0masthe right port?
11:22:07t0masssh, 22
11:22:09t0masnot telnet, 23?
11:22:33JdGordonis there something on the linux box i could have not done?
11:22:58t0mastry local ssh...
11:23:03t0mason the box: ssh root@localhost
11:23:29JdGordonconnection closed by
11:24:17B4gdert0mas: goodie, thanks
11:24:19peturB4gder: cvs builds back ok, but the 2 commits by Linus didn't make it to the homepage
11:24:40*t0mas thinkgs he knows why..
11:24:46B4gderwe don't want Linus' commits to be that visible
11:24:56t0masindeed, it's my oops commit filter
11:25:09t0masit will wait for Linus' oops commit, combine those... and put that on the homepage
11:25:24B4gderok, I'll fix it to use the correct file
11:25:39t0masit outputs in my homedir I guess...
11:25:45markunJdGordon: I've made a HSV color picker, but it's not perfect
11:25:48B4gderand it still shows the old file
11:27:14amiconnThe SDL sim 'Off' button has problems on cygwin. It's mappend to numpad_enter, but somehow that doesn't work
11:27:25amiconnUnder linux it's fine. I blame SDL
11:27:27skwadfor x5 ?
11:27:38amiconnFor all sims that use it
11:27:43skwadoh ok
11:27:47LinusNskwad: x5 doesn't have an off button
11:27:48amiconnx5, h300, h120, recorder...
11:27:54t0masB4gder: time to setup the others server, and get really fast :)
11:27:57skwadoops :D
11:27:58amiconnLinusN: Yes, it's Power instead
11:28:11B4gdert0mas: yes, I'm working on that now actually
11:28:17t0masok, cool
11:28:21markunamiconn: I changed the button from 'return' to 'kp_enter' with my gigabeat commit
11:28:23skwadbut my kp enter won't work too in cygwin :S
11:28:25*amiconn feels the need to get builds going on amd64
11:28:26B4gderfirst up is a dual athlon 2200
11:28:31peturunder windows, enter is directed to the default control unless you change that behaviour...
11:28:56B4gdershould be faster than the current main build server
11:29:07*t0mas feels the need to fix a bug
11:29:38t0masoh, it wasn't there...
11:29:51*amiconn want's to participate with his Athlon64 3800+
11:30:03earHertzsomebody remind me what teh outputs on an archios FM are? headphone and what else?
11:30:13*t0mas wants to trade his Athlon XP 3200+ for an Athlox X2 4800+ ;)
11:30:30JdGordonearHertz: line-out?
11:30:34JdGordonoptical out?
11:31:15peturt0mas: I also want to put a dual core in my socket939... but waiting for prices to come down a bit...
11:32:02t0masyeah... or for my bank saldo to go up a bit :)
11:32:06skwadamiconn: you were right, i mapped the power button to kp1 instead of kpenter and it works
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11:34:08t0masB4gder: no ipod 3g links here:
11:34:14t0masfor the bleeding edge
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11:35:19B4gderI can see one!
11:35:22B4gder... now ;-)
11:35:47t0masHow have I missed that ;)
11:35:54B4gderhow's that iPod mini progressing btw linuxstb?
11:36:56t0masoh, talking about ipods... I've almost convinced the tech. editor that alternative ipod firmwares attract enough public to justify an article about it
11:38:08peturbut is it 'ready enough' for communication to the masses?
11:38:16ScoTTiei submitted a patch for ipod mini button support
11:38:30ScoTTiebut it hasnt been added to the cvs yet
11:38:32t0maspetur: not yet...
11:38:36B4gderScoTTie: is that the only thing stopping the ordinary user?
11:38:43t0masbut the release cycle of those magazines is pretty long...
11:38:55B4gder"ordinary" might be a bit wrong but...
11:38:57t0masI have 2 other articles queued up... 1/month
11:39:00peturI admit progress here is fast :)
11:39:10ScoTTiewell it doesnt seem to play mp3's
11:39:13ScoTTieatleast the ones i tried
11:39:14t0masso if I get it through, it will be up for the June edition...
11:39:24ScoTTiebut the keypad doesnt work at all without my patch
11:39:29t0maswe might have a 2.6 release by then :)
11:39:38B4gdert0mas: you gonna write that article?
11:39:55t0masif they like it, yes
11:39:59B4gderB4gder: I got a question from an ipod site about "someone" who'd like to write such a piece
11:40:03linuxstbScoTTie: I can have a look at your patch now, and commit it if there's no problem.
11:40:11peturunbiassed like most comp tech articles :P
11:40:11B4gderor rather, petur did
11:40:34peturor rather, I wrote them :)
11:40:44ScoTTieok cool :)
11:40:47B4gderyes, but they replied with a question for it ;-)
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11:42:42t0masB4gder: does our license permit it to distributed a rockbox installer + archives on a cd with the magazine? We normally put small software that's not as accessible as we like on the cd..
11:43:04t0masbecause for some people it's difficult to read the English website, and get the right files
11:43:06B4gderyes, our license permits that
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11:47:21linuxstbScoTTie: Your current patch doesn't apply cleanly against CVS - would you be able to update it?
11:47:35ScoTTiei guess
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11:49:14linuxstbYou should just need to do cvs update, resolve any conflicts, and then produce a new patch.
11:49:51linuxstbThere is no rush - I'll be around all day.
11:50:25ScoTTieill do it now, just had a big weekend and im still suffering ;)
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11:58:09XavierGrwow that was helpfull
11:58:32XavierGrI telephoned iriver Germany and they accpted that they didn't repair my player.
11:59:15XavierGrmore on that because I paid postage expenses they will give me another H100 LCD remote.
11:59:16peturthey admitted that they did nothing?
11:59:39peturwill they fix it now?
11:59:47t0mashuh? what?
12:00:15linuxstbDid they give a reason why they did nothing?
12:00:48XavierGrwait a sec i am on the phone
12:01:49JdGordonanother lcd emote??? wanna donate 1 to me if u have more than 1?
12:02:19markunlinuxstb: I've made a HSV colour picker, but there are still some problems to sort out
12:03:27XavierGrJdGordon sorry my cousin has the priority over this
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12:03:50XavierGrhe has an H340 without lcd remote
12:04:16XavierGrbut yes te guy I talked admited that the player came here for 4 days and there were no repairs
12:04:33XavierGrhere = there
12:05:39linuxstbmarkun: How well does it work on a mono remote?
12:05:59markunlinuxstb: not very well I guess :)
12:06:11XavierGrnow let's remove rockbox before RMAing it second time ;)
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12:06:56linuxstbmarkun: I don't think that should stop us using it though, but it needs some thought.,
12:07:10markunlinuxstb: without visual feedback it's hard to know which Hue value corresponds to which colour
12:07:54markunlinuxstb: a textual representation would be nice (also for us with color vision problems)
12:09:09linuxstbMaybe on colour displays, the user should be able to switch between different modes (RGB sliders, HSV, textual), and on mono displays (such as the remote), there would be fewer options.
12:09:12Jungti1234__Kick Jungti1234.
12:09:37linuxstbmarkun: Do you have a screenshot of how it looks?
12:10:09markunlinuxstb: currently it's just a hack. You move the RGB sliders (which represent HSV) and you see the result in the colour box
12:10:19linuxstbAlso, on a different subject, does the CSV sdl sim work on freebsd?
12:10:37markunno, it doesn't
12:10:59markunI can make you a patch, maybe you can clean it up and make it work for OSX too?
12:11:37linuxstb was just planning to look at it after you committed it to cvs.
12:12:04markunIt needs some work
12:12:19linuxstbNo-one seems to be shouting for a sim that works in Mac OS.
12:12:33markunAnd I don't have a linux machine to test if I don't break anything
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12:14:46markunlinuxstb: I just replaced sdl-config by sdl11-config, but of course this is not a nice solution
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12:16:26safetydanlinuxstb, no reason the current SDL sim shouldn't compile under OSX...
12:16:52linuxstbThe Rockbox build system doesn't recognise Darwin afaik.
12:17:30safetydanah... that could be a problem
12:17:57linuxstbI did try getting it to work a few weeks ago, and got as far as the sim starting, but it just froze, and refused to accept any keyboard input. I'm planning to try again sometime soon.
12:23:30linuxstbZagor: Do you know what's going on with the mime types for attachments on the patch tracker? Firefox is telling me that some are "BIN files", others are of type text/x-patch and some are text/plain - these examples are all ".patch" files.
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12:24:37Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: It probably depends on how they were uploaded or something.
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12:26:14linuxstbThat's what I'm guessing. But it seems a Bad Thing to rely on the mime type the user's browser says the file is.
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12:26:54Paul_The_NerdYeah, I agree on that one.
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12:38:57stevebanyone here know about the album art thing in the latest h300 build?
12:39:40skwadwhat do you mean ?
12:39:48stevebi am using the latest release but the album art doesnt work
12:40:10Paul_The_NerdYou meant the h300 optimized?
12:40:12stevebshould cover.bmp have any special capitalisation?
12:40:32Paul_The_NerdThat's something you'll generally need to ask about at the misticriver forums.
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12:40:38stevebthought so
12:40:42Paul_The_NerdThe "optimized" isn't an official build.
12:40:44skwadshouldn't it be 100 * 100 pixel ?
12:40:45stevebi know
12:41:02linuxstbIs your bmp file 24-bit?
12:41:03stevebi just thought i would ask quickly here just in case :)
12:41:09stevebnot sure actually
12:41:14*steveb checks
12:41:14linuxstbI know the patch vaguely.
12:41:40linuxstbIf it's 16-bit, it won't work, but I think other types will. Or if it uses compression it won't work.
12:41:45linuxstb(I think...)
12:42:49stevebthanks. good to know
12:43:09linuxstb(that's a limitation of the Rockbox bmp loader - it's not specific to the album art patch).
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12:43:34stevebgqview says the compression is 101.7%...
12:43:44stevebnot sure if this is correct or just gqview being screwy
12:43:59linuxstbIt's probably uncompressed then - the extra 1.7% could be the header.
12:44:06stevebah yes
12:44:18stevebnow... how to find out the amount of bits...
12:44:47linuxstbDo you have cygwin installed?
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12:46:11linuxstbDoes Windows explorer tell you anything if you ask for the properties of the file?
12:46:16stevebi use linux ;)
12:46:26linuxstbJust type "file cover.bmp" then.
12:46:50linuxstbIt should give you a line ending in "width x height x depth"
12:46:51stevebcover.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 75 x 75 x 24 # seems to be ok :-/
12:47:05stevebi always forget the 'file' command
12:47:09*steveb stabs self
12:47:43linuxstbIn which case, it's probably an error in your wps file.
12:48:12stevebmaybe. i will try with a couple of others
12:48:41linuxstbThe format has changed slightly in different versions of the album art patch. I don't know which version the h300 "optimised" build is using.
12:48:50stevebyeh :-/
12:49:12steveboh well nm
12:49:18stevebits no big deal anyway.
12:49:22stevebjust would be kinda cool
12:49:25JdGordoncan any1 try and ssh to user rockdev pass rb and lemme know if it connects?
12:49:35stevebi am stunned at how fast the development seems to be going
12:50:30stevebJdGordon: it connects but when you type the password it disconnects
12:50:36linuxstbJdGordon: Same here.
12:50:40JdGordonok, so its not just me
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12:50:50JdGordonany1 wanna have a guess why???
12:51:04linuxstbYou should be able to see something in the logs on your Linux machine - /var/log/syslog I think
12:51:13stevebyeh. or /var/log/messages
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12:51:31stevebcould just be a wrong password
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12:52:34JdGordonno, pass is correct.. the only thing that looks sus is this from auth.log
12:52:34JdGordonFeb 27 06:51:49 colinux sshd[1877]: WARNING: /etc/ssh/moduli does not exist, usi
12:52:35JdGordonng old modulus
12:52:48linuxstbDoes user rockdev have a home directory set up? Can you log in locally as that user?
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13:13:36peturdamn.. I broke pre-recording when I enhanced clipping detection :(
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13:14:05Paul_The_NerdLinuxstb: I think I even suggested to them once or twice they use the WPS Gallery earlier in that thread. It seems for some reason people *want* to not use it.
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13:14:39linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I know you've mentioned it as well. Maybe it's too complicated, or too "official".
13:15:36Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I know some people have said "I'm not ready to submit it yet" in the past, but I tried to explain to them that the Wiki isn't really submission for inclusion.
13:17:10ScoTTielinuxstb: i added a new patch
13:17:44linuxstbScoTTie: Thanks. I'm looking at it now.
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13:21:48linuxstbScoTTie: There's one thing I'm not sure about (maybe others can help) - you've added a BUTTON_HOLD definition. I don't think BUTTON_HOLD events should be treated the same as other buttons - there is a button_hold() function that needs implementing which returns true or false.
13:22:25ScoTTieyour right
13:22:34ScoTTiebut was part of the ipodlinux code
13:22:49ScoTTieit would be safe to remove it, hold works without it.
13:23:40linuxstbOK - I'll remove the "#define BUTTON_HOLD 0x0100" line, and also the "btn |= BUTTON_HOLD" line.
13:24:02linuxstbOr should I just remove the whole if {} around the btn |= BUTTON_HOLD ?
13:24:29ScoTTieremove the whole if
13:24:45ScoTTieand :done
13:25:31linuxstbI'll just test you haven't broken the button handling for other ipods, and then commit it.
13:27:02linuxstbHave you learnt anything more about the differences between the first and second generation minis? Any views about whether they need different builds?
13:27:17ScoTTiethe main difference is in the buttons
13:27:31linuxstbSo your driver only works on first gen minis?
13:27:49ScoTTiei think 2g will use the 4g button code path (or similar)
13:27:59ScoTTiei would assume so
13:28:15ScoTTiei figured you would detect at runtime what version it was
13:28:31ScoTTiebecause if thats the only difference you dont really need 2 builds
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13:29:13linuxstbLets wait for a 2g owner to come along, and we can decide then.
13:29:54linuxstbIf you turn the hold button on on your mini, do you get a "lock" symbol appearing?
13:30:08ScoTTiethe hold button works without my button code
13:30:14JdGordondoes any1 know if cygwin works from a usb disk?
13:30:47peturI know it can work just by copying the whole tree
13:30:53linuxstbScoTTie: The hardware itself stops the button interrupts when the hold switch is on. I'm asking if Rockbox correctly detects the hold switch status - if it does, you will see a lock symbol in the status bar.
13:30:59peturbut it stores some stuff in the registry
13:31:32ScoTTiei mean, rockbox correctly displays the hold buttons status. even before my patch.
13:31:41linuxstbThat's fine then.
13:31:42peturJdGordon: so you can't run it from two locations on the same pc
13:32:07linuxstbScoTTie: Does USB detection work? Does it reboot to disk mode?
13:32:09JdGordonpetur: i just tryed renameing the tree and it didnt work
13:32:22ScoTTiei wasnt quite sure what to do with that hold code. so i left it as it was in iPL.
13:32:22*JdGordon wants to put cygwin no my h300 so i can dev at uni
13:32:52ScoTTieit doesnt however when you start it with the usb in already
13:33:05linuxstbThat should have been fixed a couple of days ago.
13:33:13linuxstb(it was a general Rockbox bug)
13:33:29ScoTTieok, i havnt tested rockbox since i submitted my patch.
13:33:42peturJdGordon: maybe clear some registry stuff? If you put it on your H3xx it will be 1) even more slow 2) hard to develop and test in parallel...
13:34:47JdGordonpetur: umm.. didnt think of that.. i guess i meant copy it off the disk when i get to uni... but i doubt i would ad to the reg..
13:34:51ScoTTielet me look at the keyboard.c code from iPL
13:35:03ScoTTieill see what codepath the 2g uses
13:35:36linuxstbScoTTie: Patch now committed.
13:37:04Zagorlinuxstb: I think flyspray is running "file −−mime" on the files, and blindly use what it returns
13:38:46t0masB4gder? how far are you with the new server?
13:40:45linuxstbZagor: Are you sure? I've tried "file −−mime" on a couple of files I've downloaded from the patch tracker, and it's giving me "text/x-c"
13:40:52linuxstb(I'm running Debian unstable)
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13:41:41ZagorI manually changed all patches to text/plain when converting from sourceforge
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13:42:10Zagorfrom that experience, I know they can get a lot of different types depending on content
13:45:45ScoTTiesomeone should add an ipod mini build to the site
13:46:16amiconnDoes playback work already?
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14:02:14ZagorF/P/B prefix added to flyspray mails (Feature request / Patch / Bug)
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14:26:04erus`on linux how do i install all the files like stdio.h ?
14:27:16ashridahyou need the libc6 development package
14:27:22LinusNyou need to have the libc6 dev files
14:27:25ashridahdepends on your distro what the package'll be called
14:28:32erus`ubuntu... sudo get-apt install libc6 ?
14:28:45LinusNi guess "libc6-dev"
14:28:51safetydansudo apt-get install libc6-dev
14:29:02erus`yes :P
14:29:27safetydanIf you want to compile the sim, you'll also need libsdl1.2-dev
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14:39:44erus`sorry, does anyone know where i can get the tcl dev includes and stuff?
14:42:37linuxstbTry "apt-cache search tcl.*dev" to search for packages
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15:10:24linuxstbWould anyone know why my firefox has started displaying plain text files like this after a recent upgrade?
15:10:42linuxstbI'm running firefox on Debian unstable.
15:10:57needleboytried changing the font size?
15:11:16needleboylooks like the line height is set to less than the font size...
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15:12:32linuxstbNo - the text size doesn't affect it. It also only appears to happen with that one specific font. I've no idea how to change fonts in firefox though - I guess I should investigate that.
15:13:31linuxstbDon't worry, I've fixed it now. The font configuration wasn't that hard to find.....
15:13:50B4gdert0mas: not very far, darned work makes me have to work! ;*)
15:14:11t0masghehe, there is an easy solution for that...
15:14:22Jungti1234__hey B4gder
15:14:54t0mase-mail to your boss..
15:15:29B4gder"Please mr boss. stop pestering me, I need to hack on Rockbox for the rest of the afternoon"
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15:16:06linuxstbYou need to ask for more than an afternoon.... langv2, svn migration, distributed builds.....
15:16:33B4gder"and don't come telling me one afternoon is only today, I mean a looooong afternoon"
15:16:59petur"every afternoon" :)
15:17:03midkayhey LinusN?
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15:17:32Jungti1234__Please, kick Jungti1234...
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15:18:04LinusNmidkay: yo
15:18:15B4gderJungti1234__: it doesn't help you
15:18:20midkayLinusN, did you get my PM earlier?
15:18:20B4gderand I've told you that before
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15:18:52Jungti1234__B4gder: When?
15:19:08linuxstbJungti1234__: /msg nickserv ghost Jungtil1234 <password>
15:19:13midkayi was hoping you could send me that script to calculate x and y tables for the clock
15:19:19midkaydo you still have it?
15:19:19skwadbecause if you kick Jungti1234 he stays connected and you can't take his name
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15:19:32LinusNmidkay: no i don't
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15:19:45B4gdermidkay: perl script and sin()!
15:20:04midkayLinusN, argh :) thx anyways :)
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15:20:10midkayB4gder, if it's so easy, you do it! ;)
15:20:22B4gdergive me 120 seconds
15:22:11Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Voice support not only doesn't work on iPod, but until you delete the voice file from your player, music stops working too even with all voice menu stuff set to "No".
15:22:58linuxstbI've never looked at it. Firstly, because I don't have any voice files, and secondly, I'm waiting for iriver users to tell me it's working reliably there before I attempt to debug any ipod-specific issues.
15:23:24linuxstbBut I've seen that lots of blind users are now asking about it.
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15:23:33B4gdermidkay: here it comes:
15:23:39B4gder$max = 64;
15:23:39B4gder$radius = 40;
15:23:39B4gder$center = 40;
15:23:46Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yeah, I was more concerned about the "music playback no longer functions and gives data aborts" than the "It doesn't play voice entries" bit really
15:23:48B4gder$pi = 3.141565;
15:23:48B4gderfor my $v (0 .. $max) {
15:23:48B4gder printf("%d\n", sin(($v * 2 *$pi) / $max) * $radius + $center);
15:24:13amiconnmidkay: I'd go for runtime calculation anyway. Too many display sizes nowadays to include static tables
15:24:14B4gderdid I win anything? ;-)
15:24:24Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I was thinking it may just be better to remove the menu entries until it doesn't incapacitate your player.
15:24:36midkayamiconn, exactly, i wanted to adapt it to C + put it in the clock..
15:24:46Paul_The_NerdThough it seems it's the presence of the .voice file, rather than having it enabled, that messes things up...
15:24:48midkayB4gder, my eternal.. eh... 'gratitude' ;)
15:24:50*Paul_The_Nerd has no idea how the voice system works.
15:24:58midkayB4gder, thanks! :)
15:25:05*Paul_The_Nerd gives B4gder a cookie.
15:25:12B4gdermy lucky day!
15:25:14Paul_The_NerdIt expires in 2036.
15:26:41midkayB4gder, wait - this calculates the X or Y? it doesn't seem to calculate both..
15:26:51B4gderits just one, yes
15:27:08B4gderfor the other you just add a 1/4 lap or use cos()
15:27:22midkayB4gder, i'll try that - thanks again :)
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15:33:18midkayB4gder, NO! you get something even better. clean code!!!!! [whispers from the other users]
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15:37:16linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I would prefer to just document somewhere (e.g. IpodStatus) the features that don't work in the ipod port, rather than disabling them in the code. That way no-one will forget about them.
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15:37:32Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: That works to. :)
15:37:57*Paul_The_Nerd wanders over to that page.
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15:41:45linuxstbamiconn: You mentioned last night that fire.c didn't need to put a #ifdef around gray.h because gray.h itself was "protected" - but looking at gray.h, the only #if is #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP.
15:42:07linuxstbBut looking at gray.h, it doesn't look as if it would do any harm to always include anyway.
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15:53:16amiconnlinuxstb: Your're right, seems I confused the #ifdef in gray.h and in plugins/lib/SOURCES
15:53:35amiconnStill, including it doesn't really hurt
15:53:46amiconnA number of other plugins does that
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16:07:15skwadmuesli-: where are you from ?
16:09:49skwadwhat does "re" signify ?
16:10:05muesli-i m back
16:10:12Paul_The_NerdOr something similar
16:10:19muesli-that would fit
16:10:19skwadbecause i'm french and "re" signify that im back but i dont understand where it come from
16:10:35skwadoh yes Paul_The_Nerd you're right
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16:11:35skwad"bfr" ^^
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16:22:19Lynx_why does H340 boot into the iriver firmware when the charger is connected?
16:23:03Paul_The_NerdBecause that's just the way it works for now.
16:23:21Paul_The_NerdNot everything related to USB handling/charging is known yet, so the behaviour there has some limitations.
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16:25:23mirakis it normal that when you record in mono with H300 you still get a stereo wav file ?
16:25:29mirakthat channels are duplicated though
16:26:14linuxstbhehe. Seems that the forum software at has a function that changes any capitalisation of "ipod" into "iPod" - even in URLs. So no-one can link to our Wiki pages that start with "Ipod" :)
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16:27:27peturmirak: talking about internal mic recording?
16:27:36mirakpetur: external
16:28:07peturcan't remember that mono recording is implemented
16:28:19peturthe wav will always be stereo
16:28:31peturI guess it's 'to do'
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16:30:34ripnetukhi. are we allowed to abuse the menu_run return result for things other than usb plugged in? i want my menu to close when an item is selected. It seems that it would work if my menu selected function just returned true, but a comment in menu.h implies that this should only be used to indicate usb plugged in.
16:34:14ripnetukanyone home? :-)
16:34:30peturno, at work :P
16:35:26ripnetukor should we use menu_show directly?
16:35:43linuxstbpreglow: Would the person on the mailing list attempting to build a 64MB version of Rockbox for the iPod 5G need to adjust the memory remapping code?
16:36:08peturripnetuk: I don't know that part of rb at all
16:36:53Paul_The_Nerdripnetuk: What comment are you tlaking about?
16:37:15ripnetuki want a menu in rockbox that will close the menu when an item is selected.
16:37:33ripnetukatm it will run the menu function code, and then keep displaying the menu (until you press menu exit key)
16:38:00ripnetukif my menu function returns true, it will close the menu, but from the source it looks like its designed for that to indicated USB plugged in to the calling code.
16:38:19ripnetukis it un-rockbox-ish to mis-use the return value to force it to close the menu?
16:38:44ripnetuksorry, the comment in menu.h l112
16:38:47Paul_The_Nerdripnetuk: Out of curiosity, what are you doing that should exit the menu when called?
16:39:04LinusNwell, i've been wanting to change the return value from the menu functions for years
16:39:50LinusNa bool is simply not enough nowadays
16:40:27ripnetukyeah, it would be nice to have more return values
16:40:44ripnetukbut that takes time... btw im trying to recode the bookmark screen so it displays a menu
16:41:05ripnetukinstead of the custom load bookmark screen. My ultimate goal is to get bookmark selecting working on the ihp remote
16:41:14ripnetukso i dont have to remove the unit from my pocket to play a bookmark :)
16:43:14ripnetukwould you agree in principle to changing the bookmark screen to a normal menu?
16:43:17LinusNyou have my blessing to extend the return type of the menus
16:43:22LinusNgotta go
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16:44:37*ripnetuk thinks that this is a job for later - menus are used EVERYWHERE
16:44:46ripnetuki will just return true for now :)
16:45:14amiconnI think some menus already do this
16:45:21amiconnCheck e.g. the context menu
16:45:51amiconnBut, I doubt a simple menu is enough for displaying the bookmarks
16:45:55ripnetukwouldnt suprise me... the bool gets back to the run_menu call anyway, and my run_menu certainly doesnt do anythign special for usb..
16:46:15amiconnThere's more than just one action possible with bookmarks, and a bookmark might contain more than one resume point
16:46:22ripnetuki was thinking a menu with options 1-8 for the first 8 resume points,
16:46:37ripnetukoption 9 is more boomkarks (eg the next 8)
16:46:40amiconnYou might eiither want to run the bookmark, or delete it
16:46:43ripnetukoption 10 is delete bookmark
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16:46:52ripnetukwhich brings up a sub-menu of all bookmarks to delete
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16:47:42ripnetukdo you think that is OK from a user point of view?
16:47:56amiconnSounds cumbersome to ooperate...
16:48:27ripnetukmaybe... maybe we need a more flexable gui_yesno type thing
16:48:40amiconnYou don't need to hard-limit the menu, btw
16:49:03ripnetukdont you? i thought it had to be an array, and we have no malloc
16:49:21ripnetukso surely we need struct menu_item items[MAX_ITEMS] type thing?
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16:49:54ripnetukor perhaps a special gui_bookmark?
16:50:24amiconnWe have no malloc, but __builtin_alloca() works
16:51:01amiconnYou know how many items are in a bookmark file before building the menu
16:51:14amiconnOf course there has to be a sane upper limit avoid stack overflow
16:51:37ripnetuki didnt know about the builtub_alloca
16:51:53ripnetuki thought there was a strong feeling towards static buffers here?
16:52:28ripnetukanyway, if you reckon its cumersome it probly wont fly anyway
16:53:44amiconnWell if you need more than what fits on the stack, there's only the static buffer left without malloc()
16:54:14amiconnIf the stack is sufficient, you can either use a plain array, or alloca
16:54:19ripnetukyou you prefer a dedicated gui_bookmark or a menu then?
16:54:28linuxstbDoesn't the gui system have a "list" widget, which is based on callbacks to get labels for each item?
16:54:47ripnetukdoes it? /me looks
16:54:54linuxstbI think the file browser uses it.
16:55:16ripnetukthat sounds more suitable than the menu code then...
16:56:34ripnetukright, back to the drawing board :)
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17:00:21B4gderhey you should commit more!
17:00:30*B4gder wants to see the blazing build speeds
17:01:00peturcertainly blazing when non-source stuff gets committed :D
17:01:34B4gderI added another server during the afternoon
17:02:00*B4gder scans his work for more servers
17:02:11*Paul_The_Nerd cheers for the distributed build system.
17:02:55linuxstbHas the distributed build system gone live now?
17:03:08*linuxstb hasn't been paying attention
17:03:26B4gderthe cvs table on the site is now the distributed one
17:03:50linuxstbAnd very nice and green it is looking as well.
17:04:24B4gderGreen is Good (tm)
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17:07:17webguest74Hello all
17:08:08B4gderhello webguest
17:08:17webguest74I just noticed there is one contact plugin in the tracker, and according to the comments, this plugin follow the Rockbox rules
17:08:25webguest74what do you think about ?
17:09:16webguest74our DAPs aren't PDAs but contact plugin could be definitively great for Rockbox
17:10:14Paul_The_NerdThey could be with a slight rotation.
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17:10:29webguest74moo :-)
17:11:00Paul_The_NerdSorry, bad joke I guess, but PDA and DAP are one character of rotation from each other.
17:11:05webguest74any developer here have one opninon about this plugin?
17:11:27webguest74Paul: I understood, good joke :D
17:11:35peturit should use some standardised format... does it?
17:11:42Paul_The_NerdIt does
17:12:20peturalso understood by programs from the windows world?
17:12:33Paul_The_NerdI think the only thing I don't like about it, from reading the description, is that it grabs the audio buffer, so it'd stop playback. I think that's not exactly ideal.
17:12:44webguest74it's true
17:12:58peturdon't want that either
17:13:09webguest74but if you want one good amount of contact it's maybe the way to go
17:13:31webguest74the number of contact was limited before this buffer usage
17:13:46peturno... you can read from disk....
17:13:52linuxstbYou don't need to read every piece of data about every contact into memory - requiring disk accesses during use wouldn't be unreasonable.
17:14:03Paul_The_NerdThat was what I was about to say. Load a list of contact names, then when one is selected, load that one from disk.
17:14:11Paul_The_NerdDon't load full information until an actual contact is chosen.
17:14:31webguest74linuxstb: is that need a lot of code changes?
17:14:59webguest74in regard to the current approach
17:15:08linuxstbWell, it will be more complicated to implement than the current approach.
17:15:10*Paul_The_Nerd wonders idly how many contacts would fit in a 60gb 5G iPod's memory.
17:15:28webguest74linuxstb: Ouch :(
17:15:38webguest74haha :)
17:15:51SlasheriBagder: Hmm, how much the new build system requires transfering files, a few megabytes? I could add my dual xeon 2.4 GHz server with 2/2M connection to that system
17:16:11webguest74Slasheri: Bagder just said moo
17:16:15webguest74you missed him
17:16:22Slasherioh, yes i did
17:16:34webguest74but ask T0mas ;)
17:16:46linuxstbSlasheri: My home PC is (I hope) a helpful part of the build system, and that only has a 512kbit/s upload.
17:16:49lostlogicSlasheri: I believe you already have more BW than the rockbox server (the same?) so that would probably be worth adding.
17:17:08Slasherilostlogic: ah, sounds good
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17:17:26t0mas<Slasheri> Bagder: Hmm, how much the new build system requires transfering files, a few megabytes? I could add my dual xeon 2.4 GHz server with 2/2M connection to that system
17:17:29t0massounds good
17:18:01t0masyou need help installing?
17:18:14Slasherit0mas: Hmm, in fact i don
17:18:26Slasherii don't know yet where to start :)
17:18:32webguest74Slasheri: isn't you the Tagcache man?
17:18:43t0masI'll explain in PM..
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17:18:49Slasherithat build system thing is completely new to me
17:18:50Slasheriok, thanks
17:18:54Slasheriwebguest74: yes
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17:19:19webguest74Slasheri: are the things evoluted a bit those days?
17:19:49linuxstbSlasheri: The hardest work is installing all the cross-compilers and making the server capable of building as many of the targets as possible. The distributed-build stuff itself is relatively simple.
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17:24:59Slasheriwebguest74: no, but will when i get that time :)
17:25:23webguest74good reply :)
17:25:37webguest74we all hope too
17:26:28webguest74like B4gder said: "time to say moo"
17:26:29amiconnt0mas: What if there are more than 34 servers in the distributed build system?
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17:26:38amiconn(with the current number of builds)
17:26:43t0masamiconn: it will take the first 34 that respond
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17:30:49t0masand respond includes cvs update
17:31:04t0masso the 34 that have cvs updated... and are online... take the first 34 builds
17:31:11t0masall others will just do nothing
17:31:56linuxstbWhat's the current number of servers?
17:34:13t0maserm 4
17:34:19t0masjust installed a new one
17:34:26t0masand I'm now busy installing the 5th
17:35:56linuxstbHave you worked out what would be optimum number of servers? Or would 34 be the optimum number?
17:36:29linuxstbI'm guessing the bandwidth on will soon be the bottleneck.
17:36:32t0mashm.. that's a good question
17:36:49t0maswe have 1 server on the same net as the server
17:37:09t0masand ofcourse the main server itself... those 2 take no time for transfere... so they'll do a lot of builds
17:37:33t0masthe ideal number of servers is hard to calculate...
17:38:35Lynx_how long does it take to build everything now?
17:38:49t0mas"34 builds in 526 seconds makes 15 seconds/build"
17:39:23t0mas8 minutes 46 seconds was the last build
17:39:36Lynx_and that is too long?
17:39:43t0masthat is way faster than before
17:39:56t0masbut faster is always better...
17:39:57amiconnI guess some more servers would increase reliability
17:40:00Lynx_ah, no, i meant how long it took before
17:40:20t0masthe last old-system build took over 63 minutes
17:40:29Lynx_ok, that is long
17:41:11peturt0mas: don't tell me, that last long build was for me....
17:41:38t0masyou could have checked
17:41:43t0maswe had this in beta for a week there ;)
17:42:09peturI stayed up quite some time to check the end result....
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17:43:41peturcongratulations Jungti1234
17:43:50Jungti1234haha thanks
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18:04:25mirakanyone heard of a website with documentation about the various sound effects ?
18:04:31miraklike normalisation etcetera
18:04:42mirakI am googling, but can't find a bible
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18:18:47webguest60I just installed latest cvs on iriver ihp 140, works nicely.
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18:27:13nobeliumcan anyone tell me the best way to do a translation?
18:27:40infamisanyone know how to install sdl if you don't already have it...under linux?
18:27:49skwaddownload cvs and open .lang file
18:28:13skwadinfamis i think you have to get the source and make it
18:28:20Paul_The_Nerdnobelium: Get the english.lang file (or any one in a language you understand) and start working your way through it, replacing entries.
18:28:32linuxstbinfamis: Which Linux distribution do you have?
18:28:37nobeliumI'm using english.lng
18:28:38infamisredhat 9
18:28:40nobeliumthat's alright?
18:28:47Paul_The_NerdIt should be, I believe
18:28:55infamisI get "fatal: no available video device" after a successful make/make install when running rockboxui
18:29:04nobeliumcan you recommend any good editor?
18:29:07infamismake/make install of sdl
18:29:22nobeliumI used notepad but it has weird formatation (spaces and paragraphs)
18:29:30nobeliumrockbox didn't recognize it after my translation
18:29:50skwadnobelium: i think you have to take english.lang and not english.lng
18:29:58nobeliumjust read it on wiki
18:30:06nobeliumthanks :=)
18:30:31nobeliumbtw, wanted your opinion on this: bootloader USB mode won't work on my iriver h340
18:30:47nobeliumshould I fill out as a bug or am I doing something wrong?
18:30:55infamisI brought it up yesterday, someone told me to add sdl to the crosscompile twiki, I wake up & see linus deleted it
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18:31:35skwadnobelium: I don't know i haven't an iriver, you have to wait for the others to answer
18:32:00nobeliumbut it is suposed to show up on windows the connection, right?
18:32:09nobeliumI'm only able to connect via USB after booting rockbox
18:32:21nobeliumtherefor removing that great option of recovering a bad disc
18:32:21Paul_The_Nerdnobelium: Try just using wordpad, and english.lang.
18:32:39linuxstbnobelium: I _think_ that's a known issue. Are you running the very latest version of the bootloader (whichever one is the newest on the wiki page) ?
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18:33:26nobeliumto be honest I'm not it's the most recent version
18:33:30nobeliumit's v5 for sure
18:33:52nobeliumI used the fwpatcher to patch my 1.29K firmware
18:33:58nobeliumand that was yesterday
18:34:46linuxstbI know that some people in the past have complained that bootloader usb mode doesn't work reliably on the h3x0 - but I don't know if the latest bootloader version fixes it or not.
18:35:07nobeliumsorry for this, but I can't find a bootloader version on wiki
18:35:18nobeliumonly the latest cvs build on 'downloads'
18:35:44skwadperhaps that :
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18:36:09linuxstbnobelium: Yes, v5 seems to be the latest.
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18:36:20linuxstb(for the h3x0)
18:36:27nobeliumyup, just confirmed too
18:36:38nobeliumskwad, that's the rockbox installation afaik
18:36:43nobeliumdoes not contain the bootloader
18:36:56linuxstbLinusN should know the answer, but he's not around.
18:37:23nobeliumalright, thanks guys
18:37:28skwadyes nobelium i just saw this
18:39:09nobeliumas far as I understood, the newlang.lang has to be submitted for approval
18:39:18nobeliumand then "compiled" to newlang.lng?
18:39:43*Paul_The_Nerd wishes he had more PM inbox capacity on the forum.
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18:40:40skwadi think you can juste compile it if it's for personal use
18:40:58skwadbut if you want it to be public somebody has to do it on cvs
18:41:19skwadwhich lang are you making ?
18:42:38skwadportugal :D
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18:42:58skwadportugues is already here
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18:44:09skwadthere is already portuguese
18:44:19nobeliumwell, I saw the current translation
18:44:27nobeliumand doesn't seem really good
18:44:31nobeliumseems more brazilian to me
18:45:14nobeliumyes, already saw that thanks :)
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18:46:42linuxstbThe Portuguese translation doesn't look as if it's been touched for about 3 years - so an update is long overdue.
18:47:27amiconnA lot of translations into languages rockbox claims to 'support' are way outdated and cover only a fraction of all strings
18:47:37*amiconn should update German asap
18:47:50nobeliumthought so
18:48:00Paul_The_NerdThat should be a step in the next release, trimming too badly outdated languages.
18:48:06amiconnI intended to wait until after my .lang cleanup, but there's already a lot of strings missing
18:48:43nobeliumanyone got upload perl script there?
18:49:09nobeliumgot it
18:49:12nobeliumthanks :p
18:49:33nobeliumI noticed another thing
18:49:44nobeliumUSB mode under rockbox "overlays" the current theme
18:49:54nobeliumthe usb icon messes up the themes
18:50:22nobeliumprobably a question of priority of layers
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18:54:25skwadlol someone just updated the korean language file
18:55:21nobeliumthought so
18:55:28nobeliumlanguage file needs to be compiled
18:56:08nobeliumanyone able to do that for me, under linux?
18:56:10markunamiconn: what about the voice strings? Should they be left empty in a translation file if they are not translated?
18:56:44nobeliumwas going to ask that also eheh
18:57:29linuxstbmarkun: Have you seen the mailing list post about unicode and strncmp/strncasecmp ?
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18:58:23skwadnobelium i can do it under windows is it a problem ?
18:58:27markunlinuxstb: no. I'll take a look
18:58:37nobeliumno, not at all :)
18:58:41nobeliumhow do you run it thought?
18:58:53nobeliumalright, can you do it for me then?
18:59:01nobeliumthanks a lot
19:00:12markunlinuxstb: which post are you talking about? Can't find it.
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19:01:19_SuperSnout_hey =)
19:01:36_SuperSnout_does anyone know about rockdoom?
19:01:38linuxstbmarkun: It's a little misleading - "proper directory sorting" on the dev list.
19:02:21_SuperSnout_I'm a bit confused about a couple of things..
19:03:05t0masbuildtimes are still decreasing :)
19:03:19t0masdown from 8:46 to 8:07
19:03:31t0masccache has started to do its job on the new server
19:03:39markunlinuxstb: looks like Bluechip is talking about something completely different :)
19:03:52skwadnobelium: check your pm
19:04:05linuxstbYes - I was curious about how easy/hard it would be to do the kind of sorting the original poster requested.
19:04:19amiconnnobelium: Voice strings should be translated if the .lang file should be usable for generating a .voice file
19:04:27linuxstbI'm assuming it's not trivial to sort utf8 like that.
19:04:32nobeliumskaw, where :)?
19:04:37amiconnOf course that requires a TTS engine for that language
19:06:21skwadin irc
19:06:30amiconnIt's important that voice strings which are empty in english.lang are left empty in all other languages
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19:06:57amiconnNot doing that would unnecessarily increase voice file size
19:07:05markunlinuxstb: one of the problems is that sorting is language dependent:
19:07:57nobeliumah skwad
19:08:01nobeliumneed to register nick
19:08:55t0maslol, the dutch police has lost a "radar speed check camera" today
19:09:14_SuperSnout_..does any know about rockdoom?
19:09:23t0masthe officiers where watching it from some distance, and enjoying their lunch... while caching a lot of money for the government
19:09:35t0massuddenly someone stopped, picked up the camera en drove off again
19:09:43linuxstbmarkun: I wouldn't want to program a sorting algorithm that obeyed those rules...
19:09:44_SuperSnout_i'm a bit confused about a couple of things..
19:09:55t0masleaving the officers astonished...
19:10:00linuxstb_SuperSnout_: You said that before - just ask your question.
19:10:06_SuperSnout_sorry =(
19:10:09skwadso nobelium when you have finished just mail it me and I will send you the compiled back
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19:10:14_SuperSnout_i'll do that next time..
19:10:27nobeliumcan you give me your email on pm?
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19:11:48blueyi want my hje70 headphone's :(
19:12:18_SuperSnout_well basically.. it's to do with the different files.. doom.iriver.. doom.rock.. and rockbox.iriver..
19:12:54_SuperSnout_i know that doom.rock starts the game..
19:13:08_SuperSnout_i can put that in the game\doom\ folder right?
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19:13:48_SuperSnout_..and then there's the other two files.. i think doom.iriver boots the player into a patched version of rockbox.. is this right?
19:14:22_SuperSnout_and then there's rockbox.iriver that is used to boot when the player starts.. right?
19:15:02Paul_The_Nerd_SuperSnout_: Umm... doom.rock is the game plugin, which goes in the rocks folder under .rockbox.
19:15:19Paul_The_Nerd_SuperSnout_: I'm not sure what doom.iriver is, I would assume that's a construct of the optimized build.
19:15:22skwadnobelium: did you receive my pm ?
19:15:26nobeliumnop ;7
19:15:35skwadthen wait i register
19:16:05amiconnnobelium: You can convert the .lang into a .lng yourself. Apart from your .lang and english.lang you only need a working perl installation and the binlang script from the rockbox sources
19:16:17nobeliumI have a working perl installation
19:16:21nobeliumis binlang perl?
19:16:26_SuperSnout_okay.. that's good.. at the moment i have those 3 files cluttering up my root directory.. i want to know where i can put them..
19:16:29nobeliumit is
19:16:33amiconnnobelium: yes
19:16:44markunlinuxstb: more fun:
19:16:57Paul_The_Nerd_SuperSnout_: I would assume doom.iriver is, as you said, a patched version of the firmware. But doom.rock should go with the rest of the plugins. I don't *think* doom.iriver needs to be anywhere specific.
19:17:13Paul_The_Nerd_SuperSnout_: But rockbox.iriver needs to be in the root or in .rockbox for it to be found on boot.
19:17:25_SuperSnout_and someone mentioned to me that I could just make my player boot from doom.iriver as default to save me having to run it before running the game each time (otherwise when running doom.rock it says "incompatable")
19:18:00skwadnobelium: now you should have received my pm
19:18:07_SuperSnout_would i just rename doom.iriver to rockbox.iriver?
19:18:10nobeliumthanks skwa
19:18:18_SuperSnout_sounds good..
19:18:23nobeliumI got the script working
19:18:42_SuperSnout_do the .iriver files contain you're settings and things? or are they stored somewhere else?
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19:19:16_SuperSnout_and does booting in iriver firmware clear your rockbox settings? (i know it clears the clock time)
19:20:37safetydan_SuperSnout_, settings are stored in a disk sector so, no, they're not stored in the rockbox.iriver file
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19:21:47_SuperSnout_that's good.. so the .iriver files are very basic files.. so it doesn't matter if you replace them..
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19:22:31egotrippen,11can i ask after getting a tiny l'il patch committed?
19:22:40Mikachuonly if you don't use color
19:22:48mirakit would be nice to have an automatic gain limiter when in record mode
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19:23:04safetydan_SuperSnout_, well... they do contain the Rockbox "operating system" basically
19:23:28safetydanegotrippen, which patch?
19:23:50egotrippen,11the one i had yesterday, to keep .rockbox and such hidden but display files with two or three dots
19:24:01***Alert Mode level 1
19:24:01egotrippen,11it's literally a line of code
19:24:19_SuperSnout_so i can just stick rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder yeah? top level?
19:25:16_SuperSnout_good.. now my root folder is cleared up =)
19:25:19safetydan_SuperSnout_, no it must be in /
19:25:22_SuperSnout_apart from...
19:25:24safetydanotherwise no booting for you
19:25:29_SuperSnout_oh.. where must it be?
19:25:34nobeliumline 428/3781 damn :p
19:25:53_SuperSnout_where is /?
19:25:57safetydan_SuperSnout_, you have to have a rockbox.iriver file in the top level of your file system
19:26:10Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: No, it can be in .rockbox too
19:26:29safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, oh? When did that change?
19:26:45Paul_The_NerdAbout bootloader v3 or v4 for H300, I think. Maybe v5
19:26:49safetydanoo... now I remember something about it ages ago
19:26:54Paul_The_NerdYeah, it was a while ago
19:27:00nobeliumid: LANG_ID3_TRACKNUM
19:27:02nobeliumdesc: in wps
19:27:03_SuperSnout_"But rockbox.iriver needs to be in the root or in .rockbox for it to be found on boot"
19:27:04nobeliumeng: "[Tracknum]"
19:27:05Paul_The_NerdIt does require the newest bootloader on H120 though
19:27:06nobeliumvoice: ""
19:27:09nobeliumshould I translate this?
19:27:10t0masegotrippen: can you disable those colors?
19:27:14_SuperSnout_can it not be in .rockbox then?
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19:27:29_SuperSnout_ok.. good =)
19:27:49_SuperSnout_seems annoying to have rockbox.iriver sitting in your root..
19:27:52CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:27:52*safetydan wonders when the build will change to do that by default
19:27:56_SuperSnout_anyway.. one more thing..
19:27:58safetydan_SuperSnout_, you can have it hidden
19:28:06_SuperSnout_oh.. okay
19:28:33safetydanJust set "Show Files" to "Music"
19:28:36Paul_The_NerdYeah, if you make a file "Hidden" it won't show in "Supported" only "Show all files"
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19:28:53Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: They're just waiting to have a relatively high confidence everyone has a new enough bootloader.
19:29:01_SuperSnout_but yeah.. when you run doom.iriver for the first time it creats the folder games/doom.. containing all the .wad files for the game..
19:29:24_SuperSnout_ah yeah.. so i could make that folder hidden right =)
19:29:28linuxstbWhere did you get this doom.iriver from?
19:29:39_SuperSnout_it's on the misticriver boards
19:29:42_SuperSnout_called rockdoom
19:29:51_SuperSnout_amazing =D
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19:30:04_SuperSnout_what player do you have linux?
19:30:20linuxstbAs far as I know, the latest version of Doom doesn't require a special .iriver file - it will work with a standard rockbox.iriver
19:30:44linuxstb_SuperSnout_: Various - an Archos Recorder, iriver H140 and a couple of ipods
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19:31:09miraklinuxstb: I am not sure it's even worse bothering to record compressed audio.
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19:31:11_SuperSnout_ok.. cool
19:31:28egotrippensorry about the colors - i couldn't figure out how to turn them off with Trillian
19:31:30egotrippenon the web client now
19:31:45mirakI recorded two shows, and the sound is way better without lossy compression, and also it drains less battery I think
19:32:09linuxstbmirak: Personally I agree, but some people care more about disk space than anything else - they just want a small, low-quality recording of something.
19:32:09_SuperSnout_well with my rockdoom.. which i got of the official misticriver rockdoom thread.. when i start doom.rock while in the standard rockbox boot it says "incompatable device"
19:32:11Paul_The_Nerdmirak: Lossy compression though is helpful if you've got like, less than 100mb free on your player or something
19:32:30t0masyeah, or if you have to record long conversations...
19:32:49mirakPaul_The_Nerd: well in that case I don't mind removing music folders since I already have them :p
19:32:49linuxstb_SuperSnout_: Yes, it won't work with the "official" rockbox.iriver, but you could use the H300 optimised build, which comes with Doom.
19:33:00mirakPaul_The_Nerd: on hard drive
19:33:33_SuperSnout_oh.. so doom.iriver isn't a special .iriver file.. it's just the standard optimised build.. ok
19:33:36linuxstbBut if lossless wavpack recording was available, then I would probably use it instead of wav.
19:33:36mirakPaul_The_Nerd: but well why not yes, who can do more can do less
19:33:40Paul_The_Nerdmirak: I agree, but it still seems like it may as well be an option, since it was with the original FW on iRivers at least.
19:34:01_SuperSnout_i've changed doom.iriver to be called rockbox.iriver and deleted the old one so i should be all set right?
19:34:02***Alert Mode OFF
19:34:04mirakPaul_The_Nerd: yep. it could be interesting for internal mic recording
19:34:06Paul_The_Nerd_SuperSnout_: Really, it's an older build from before the doom patch was working properly
19:34:23mirakPaul_The_Nerd: you don't need quality for that.
19:34:27Paul_The_Nerd_SuperSnout_: You should just get the newest optimized build, which should include doom, and not require you to switch.
19:34:50miraklinuxstb: I would try to see wich one drains less battery.
19:34:51Paul_The_Nerdmirak: Yeah, I use the internal mic to take notes to myself, when I'm brainstorming for writing while I'm out. Just voice.
19:35:01_SuperSnout_well isn't doom.iriver the new optimized build? it came with doom.rock.. =S
19:35:15linuxstb_SuperSnout_: I agree with Paul_The_Nerd - delete the rockbox.iriver, the doom.iriver, the doom.rock, and your .rockbox folder, and then just install the latest version of the h300 optimised build.
19:35:17miraklinuxstb: in fact there is not that much disk spins when recording lossless
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19:35:27_SuperSnout_if i'm booting with doom.iriver i shouldn't have to switch right/
19:35:52mirakPaul_The_Nerd: yes, for that usage, little drive usage can lead to better reactivity
19:36:12linuxstb_SuperSnout_: The problem will be that all the other plugins (.rock files) will probably be compiled to work with your rockbox.iriver
19:36:39linuxstbAnd your doom.rock will be compiled to work with your doom.iriver.
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19:37:01nobeliumdo you guys recommend the cache dir option?
19:37:03linuxstbBut if you get the optimised build, it will come with a single rockbox.iriver, and both the existing plugins, and Doom will work with that.
19:37:09nobeliumwhat are the main disadvantages? besides slower boot time
19:37:34_SuperSnout_where is this optimised build?
19:37:47linuxstbOn the forums - you won't be able to miss it...
19:38:06peturnobelium: dircache is recommended
19:38:23peturless hdd spinning when browsing for files
19:38:30nobeliumhey, wrong link
19:38:36linuxstbnobelium: The dircache will use more memory (meaning less audio can be buffered), but that is offset by the fact that the disk spins up less during browsing...
19:38:58nobeliumhow will it affect updates to dirs?
19:39:02egotrippenanyone else notice the optimized build acting a little slower than the regular daily build?
19:39:21peturI'm not surprised
19:39:35peturit's not optimized, it's experimental
19:39:47peturand loads of gui stuff
19:40:02nobeliumI'm gonna try and do a stripped down version
19:40:04egotrippeni stick to daily for the most part, too many bells and whistles. most of the WPS patches have been committed anyway
19:40:07nobeliumwithout all those games
19:40:29nobeliumit has some good ones, but dap's weren't made for game player
19:40:43nobeliumkeys will loose durability in some weeks
19:40:45Paul_The_Nerdnobelium: The games won't affect the performance anyway. It's all the other patches.
19:40:59Paul_The_Nerdnobelium: All they affect is the size of the .zip you're downloading.
19:41:04nobeliumit still has to load like 30+ plugins
19:41:10nobeliumand read their .cfg files
19:41:15nobeliumand check the proper paths
19:41:58nobeliumbut it has some nice features thought, like cover art
19:42:15Paul_The_NerdThe plugins aren't really loaded until you load them, I thought.
19:42:25egotrippenit's annoying though, because a bunch of WPSs get made and then the code changes
19:42:35_SuperSnout_linux: all i see is the rockbox optimised dicussion thread.. no links..
19:42:47egotrippensnout: it's a stick
19:42:50nobeliumYes, that is truth, but rockbox has to read their cfg entry to list them under "Browse Plugins"
19:43:05nobeliumthat's the latest version
19:43:18nobeliumPaul_The_Nerd, should I translate id: LANG_ID3_TRACKNUM?
19:43:25linuxstbNo - the "browse plugins" option just reads the list of .rock files in the .rockbox/rocks/ directory.
19:43:26Mikachuwhat cfg entry?
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19:43:56nobeliumah alright..I guess that it doesn't affect perforamance as much as I thought
19:44:13linuxstbNo, the number of plugins has no effect on normal Rockbox use.
19:44:39nobeliumwell, going to play football with friends..thanks for the help/opinions :)
19:44:42nobeliumbe back later
19:46:10egotrippeni still wanna bother someone about my tiny filename patch
19:46:25Mikachuif you put it in the tracker, all you have to do is wait
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19:46:55egotrippenit's in, someone said i should also try to catch some devs online and mention it
19:47:23Mikachuoh okay
19:48:48_SuperSnout_"Remapping of NAVI Button to turn on the backlight if it's off, instead of performing it's normal function." great =D
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19:51:36Paul_The_NerdWee! It looks like rockboy has a small endianness problem.
19:52:19linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I thought rockboy worked OK on the Archos players?
19:53:00Paul_The_NerdIt's just the colors
19:53:07Paul_The_NerdIt needs a betoh()
19:53:20Paul_The_NerdSince the archos are grayscale, it's probably not as noticeable.
19:53:27Paul_The_NerdOr something?
19:53:49linuxstbThat's not really an endian problem - it's just different LCD framebuffer formats. The video ipod is the same as the H300, and 4g Color/Nano are byte-swapped.
19:53:52Paul_The_NerdThere's screenshots of it in the forum. I'm *guessing* it's endianness at least
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19:54:07Paul_The_NerdOr that.
19:54:18linuxstbBut yes - that seems the problem.
19:54:47linuxstbI'm guessing the colours are being packed into RGB565 "manually", rather than using the LCD_RGBPACK() macro.
19:55:02*linuxstb goes to look
19:55:21superi'm extracting the daily build to my root folder as we speak..
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19:55:42linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: A quick grep shows the LCD_RGBPACK macro isn't being used....
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19:56:02SuperSnoutdone.. now to check it out..
19:57:32SuperSnoutsomething just made my player crash =(
19:57:40Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Alright. Do you happen to know where the screen stuff is handled in that? I keep meaning to go try to get it fixed for the iPod Nano. Even just having a static "skip the top 6 and bottom 6 pixels" so it can be used is better than nothing for the moment, I think.
19:57:49egotrippensnout: is that the daily, or the optimized
19:58:18SuperSnouti tried to open some picture called h300opt100.jpg which came with the optimized build.. and it said unsupported -4
19:58:50SuperSnoutwhat's the difference between the daily build and optimized?
19:59:10egotrippenthere's a pretty big difference
19:59:24linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I'm trying to understand it now - it's the code in lcd.c....
19:59:51egotrippenthose are the patches and extras supplied with the 'Optimized'
20:00:00SuperSnoutok.. and can you think of a reason why it's said "unsupported -4" and made my player crash?
20:00:01egotrippeni'm not sure which daily the latest version was built off of
20:00:08Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Y'know, I bet if I'd just bothered to go look, I would've guessed to check that file. I should probably not be so lazy.
20:00:26egotrippeni forget if and when JPEG support was added
20:00:45SuperSnoutbut that jpeg file came with the optimized build!
20:00:46egotrippenit's possible that the daily it was built off of didn't have JPEG support
20:01:05SuperSnoutnow i have to find something thin and pointy =(
20:01:11safetydanegotrippen, how much testing have you done of your patch?
20:01:26egotrippeni've been using it for over a month now
20:01:32egotrippenit's a single line of code
20:01:36Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: The "optimized" build isn't really "optimized" so much as experimental. Expect unexpected and unforseen behaviour.
20:01:56SuperSnouti don't want that =(
20:01:59SuperSnouti want safe =)
20:02:02safetydanegotrippen, yeah but files starting with . are special and I'm wondering about unforseen consequences
20:02:15egotrippenit doesn't affect those starting with '.'
20:02:36egotrippenall it does, is when you set view to 'supported,' it displays those with more than one .
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20:02:44egotrippenregular dotfiles remain hidden
20:03:06linuxstbegotrippen: My reservation is that it means that Rockbox no longer has the standard Unix behaviour of treating all filenames starting with a dot as hidden.
20:03:14safetydanwhich is my other concern
20:03:38egotrippenso... who should i talk to? it's not very important, i guess
20:03:56egotrippenthere's only gonna be a handful of albums or whatever that begin with elipses
20:04:21safetydanIt's probably friendlier to the user to allow elipses at the start of names
20:04:31safetydanmaybe this is an issue that will go away with tagcache
20:05:47SuperSnoutnow the player crashes when i run rockdoom.. =(
20:05:51egotrippeni'm not gonna push for it if there are important concerns about it, i think it's a good idea
20:05:55SuperSnouti want a stable build =(
20:06:12egotrippeni got a little scared when i couldn't find an album under RB but could uner iRiver
20:06:28Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: If you want a stable build, check out the CVS source, apply the doom patch, and compile. That works for me. :-P
20:06:30egotrippensnout: if you want stability, it's back to the daily build with you
20:06:58SuperSnoutwhere is the CVS source? misticriver?
20:07:16safetydanSuperSnout, did you do a clean install?
20:07:17egotrippenfor CVS, you have to deal with Cygwin
20:07:27SuperSnouta clean install?
20:07:28egotrippenit's a pain, but worth it if you want to play with patches
20:07:30safetydani.e. delete all of .rockbox and rockbox.iriver and *then* unzip the optimized build?
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20:07:55SuperSnoutoh.. no i didn't.. i'll try that..
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20:08:47webguest75hi, does anyone know if Wett is still working on video for the h120?
20:09:19SuperSnoutok...... it crashed when i connected it to the computer..
20:09:59safetydanSuperSnout, try turning it off, plugging it in, and then turning it on
20:10:04SuperSnoutthen it said "installation complete"
20:10:35SuperSnoutand then when i tried to switch it off it said "safe failed" "partition incomplete" or something ='(
20:12:11SuperSnoutshould making a folder hidden ever effect things?
20:12:21safetydannot like that, no
20:12:38safetydanYou might want to run a scandisk over it when you reconnect it to your computer
20:14:05SuperSnoutok.. it seems fine now.. i think it was because i didn't delete things before i unziped stuff in..
20:14:08amiconnSuperSnout: "Unsupported -4" means that this special type of jpeg file is not supported, most likely it's a progressive jpeg
20:14:19amiconnIt shouldn't crash the plugin or rockbox though
20:14:29SuperSnouti've now deleted everything apart from my files and music and stuff..
20:14:42SuperSnoutdo you think i should try again with optimised?
20:14:56linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Colour problem now fixed in CVS.
20:15:12Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Neat. Thanks. :)
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20:15:44egotrippensupersnout: that's up to you. it shouldn't be acting up that badly
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20:15:56SuperSnoutok.. 2nd time lucky then..
20:16:09SuperSnout(more like 2nd time i do it right)
20:16:28egotrippensame thing =-)
20:17:34SuperSnoutdidn't work..
20:17:35nobeliumis this translatable?
20:17:37nobeliumid: LANG_ID3_TRACKNUM
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20:17:59SuperSnoutnow on the boot screen the last thing it says is "result: -1" or something..
20:18:03amiconnBah, I keep clicking 'daily builds' when I want to see the build table :(
20:18:13nobeliumyour rockbox installation is faulty then
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20:18:27nobeliumresult -1 normally means .rockbox / rockbox.iriver isn't present
20:18:34nobeliumjust connect it via USB
20:18:40nobeliumunzip rockbox
20:18:41nobeliumand restart
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20:18:53SuperSnoutoh yeah.. oops... i forgot that before unzipping the build i have to unzip the standard rockbox stuff..
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20:19:13nobeliumI still ned that translating answer please :P
20:19:29skwad-awayi think yes
20:19:32skwad-awaycause there is : eng: "[Tracknum]"
20:19:34nobeliumeng: "[Tracknum]"
20:19:48nobeliumgoing to be hard to translate this one :/
20:20:26SuperSnoutoh yeah.. there was somthing i wanted to ask..
20:20:33SuperSnoutdo you know what the dict plugin is?
20:21:33linuxstbWow, the new build system is fast - 6m 25s for the last commit.
20:21:51*petur prepares his first ooops commit :/
20:21:57safetydannobelium, have a look at the other translations for the same string
20:21:58skwad-awayrockbox dictionnary
20:22:05SuperSnoutdo i first copy over the standard .rockbox folder and rockbox.iriver? and then unzip the daily build?
20:22:08Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Curse you for beating me to the posting. I was waiting for the build to finish.
20:22:16SuperSnoutor do i just copy over rockbox.iriver?
20:22:34Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: What do you mean "daily build"
20:22:52SuperSnoutsorry.. i meant optimized..
20:23:01linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I can't believe I've been playing the same Rockboy game on both my 4g and 5g and didn't notice the colours were different...
20:23:01safetydanSuperSnout, the instructions should be in the thread where you got the build from
20:23:02Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: If you're using the optimized, you should just unzip and copy over everything from it. It should have a rockbox.iriver and a .rockbox of its own
20:23:11skwad-awaynobelium: in french it is : new: "[N° Piste]"
20:23:18Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Wow. I have to ask, what game?
20:23:34linuxstbJust jetpac
20:23:43SuperSnoutso.. delete ALL the system files first?
20:23:50SuperSnoutincluding rockbox.iriver?
20:24:18SuperSnoutoh god... =D
20:24:22SuperSnouti think i know what i did..
20:24:31SuperSnoutin winzip i only had one file selected =D
20:24:41SuperSnoutno woneder it didn't work....
20:24:54nobeliumthanks skwad
20:25:02amiconngnuboy is indeed written for portability rather than speed :/
20:25:28linuxstbamiconn: I didn't like to try and understand the rest of that code.... But it does need looking at.
20:25:34amiconnThe colour calculation looks, erm, ...
20:25:49SuperSnoutyay.. optimized actually comes with doom..
20:26:01linuxstbamiconn: It does seem to be a long journey....
20:26:13amiconnI don't mean the rockbox specific adaption
20:26:57amiconnOptimising rockboy will require thorough understanding of the gnuboy code
20:27:01SuperSnoutoh.. actually rockdoom doesn't.. i need to download the .wad files again..
20:28:06amiconnt0mas: Is it possible to see which distributed build server did a specific target build?
20:28:48t0masfor me... yes
20:29:35amiconnHmm, ok
20:30:12amiconnDifferent q: Does ccache require any configuration?
20:30:21t0masno, it doesn't
20:30:35amiconnHmm, is it detected by configure?
20:30:43SuperSnouti wonder why when you extract optimized it creates an empty folder calle doom.. anyone know?
20:30:45t0masno, it's a setting in the buildscript
20:31:03amiconnHmm, I want to use ccache with my local builds
20:31:12t0mas./configure −−ccache
20:31:15amiconnPerhaps that'll speed things up on cygwin
20:32:04SuperSnoutARGH.. another problem... now when i go to browse plugins it says "no plugins"
20:32:06SuperSnoutwhat do i do?
20:32:24Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: You did copy over the .rockbox folder and all it's contents, right?
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20:32:34egotrippencheck your plugins folder, make sure things are there
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20:33:14SuperSnoutis it because i have .rockbox hidden?
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20:33:54skwad-awayjust check your plugins folder like they said
20:34:29SuperSnoutthere isn't even a plugins folder
20:34:36SuperSnoutthey're all in a folder called rocks
20:34:50SuperSnoutwhy would it be looking in the wrong place?
20:36:03skwad-awaywait I download it
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20:36:24safetydanSuperSnout, it's possibly because you have it marked hidden
20:36:44SuperSnoutok.. i'll try it with all things unhidden
20:37:01Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: They're supposed to be in rocks, yes. You don't need to hide .rockbox. But you shoudl be able to safely hide rockbox.iriver
20:38:38SuperSnoutok.. that worked
20:38:48SuperSnoutshame i can't hide .rockbox
20:38:53nobeliumwhat is a TOP-OFF charge?
20:38:56nobeliumquick charge?
20:39:29safetydanSuperSnout, why would you need to? It's usually not visible on the player itself
20:39:42SuperSnoutwhat's the Picture folder about? It has the startup images and a button plan thing.. can i hide it?
20:39:44nobeliumand TRICKLE charge
20:40:04SuperSnoutsafetydan: really? oh =D ok.. i didn't notice
20:40:17Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: if you have it set to show "Supported" .rockbox will automatically be hidden
20:40:34SuperSnoutyeah i do..
20:40:39skwad-awaynobelium: i would say it means battery is charged
20:40:49SuperSnouthow about the picture folder though?
20:40:56nobeliumdesc: in info display, shows that top off charge is running
20:40:58Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: The picture folder is probably just something they added, and should be deletable. It's not there in normal builds, at least.
20:41:00nobelium"is running"
20:41:12skwad-awayyes but in french I understand that
20:41:30skwad-awayand under you have "in info display, shows that trickle charge is running"
20:41:38skwad-awaythat means in charge
20:41:42SuperSnoutso you don't think it's using the startup images in it for actually starting up?
20:41:59skwad-awaybut perhaps I'm false
20:42:23Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: Well, try renaming the folder, and if it still starts, then delete it. If not, just change the name back.
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20:43:51skwad-awaywait nobelium i look what is written in german
20:44:07safetydanWhat's the stack alloca function called again? __builtin_alloca?
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20:44:40skwad-awayI don't understand what it means
20:44:59Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: I thikn that's it. Though maybe one more _ before it? I'm not sure.
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20:45:40SuperSnouti'm a bit confused about how to set up doom on the optimized =(
20:45:53nobeliumit's really easy
20:46:00nobeliumget the doom1.wad and place it under \Doom
20:46:06nobeliumgo to Browsw Plugins -> Doom
20:46:18SuperSnoutnice =)
20:47:20SuperSnoutcan i hide it?
20:47:31skwadyou like hiding things ^^
20:47:37egotrippenyeah, really
20:47:42SuperSnoutit's true..
20:47:48SuperSnouti don't like the clutter =)
20:47:51safetydanSuperSnout, you probably can't hide anything that the plugins use
20:47:56SuperSnoutwhy should you see things if you don't need to use them...
20:48:31skwadthen you should hide many things in your life ^^
20:48:44linuxstbIt shouldn't cause a problem if you set the "hidden" attribute on the /doom folder - but you can't move it.
20:49:59SuperSnoutoh.. maybe it's ok if you only hide the folder and not the files inside..
20:50:21SuperSnoutthis is really strange... rockdoom has different controls in optimised
20:51:14skwadis the optimized version open source ?
20:51:37Paul_The_Nerdskwad: It kinda has to be, because of the GPL.
20:51:54SuperSnoutthe thing is.. the .wad file is the same.. but the controls are different
20:51:57SuperSnouti'm confused
20:51:57skwadI don't understand why he does not all this work for rockbox :S
20:52:09Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: the controls are based on the executable, not the wad.
20:52:18nobeliumI think he has a point on that
20:52:20egotrippenthe .wad is just the level
20:52:29SuperSnoutdo you know if there's strafe?
20:52:30Paul_The_Nerdskwad: Those are all just patches he's collected. Not all of them have even been submitted to the patch tracker.
20:52:32nobeliumwhy cluttering rockbox stuff with non-basic things?
20:52:40nobeliumrockbox concentrates on vital functions
20:52:46nobeliumrather then small plugins/optimizations
20:52:47amiconnGah, ccache doesn't help anything in cygwin, it even slows down compilation
20:53:04nobeliumI wouldn't like the rockbox team worried about getting doom working on h3xx
20:53:05Paul_The_Nerdnobelium: Many of those could be included in Rockbox if they'd just submit them to the patch tracker, and make sure they fit the guidelines in CONTRIBUTING
20:53:09aegraywhats the fastest/best mp3 codec you guys have used?
20:53:10skwadyeah but album art would be nice
20:53:30*amiconn removes ccache again
20:53:32egotrippenskwad: i'm sure album art will be committed eventually
20:53:33nobeliumyes, I guess that would be the optimum option for sure
20:53:34Paul_The_NerdDoom is even on the patch tracker, but it's still got a lot of cleanup work to go.
20:53:47Paul_The_NerdBut things like Bubbles haven't even been submitted for some reason
20:53:49egotrippenbut a lot of the things in the H300 Optimized are just extra
20:53:57SuperSnoutso does anyone know if there's strafe in rockdoom?
20:54:12LinusNalso, many of the patches in the "optimized" build are just half-baked solutions tailored for the h300 platform
20:54:15Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: I don't believe so.
20:54:17amiconnh120 target, w/o ccache 6min, first ccache build 9min, next ccache build 7 min
20:54:33LinusNamiconn: what a downer :-(
20:54:52skwadnobelium: I understand for Doom, because the goal is not games, but I find things like album art interesting
20:54:52t0masmaybe cygwin takes to much overhead to start ccache?
20:54:59nobeliumyes, me too
20:55:01nobeliumI agree on that
20:55:13egotrippenalbum art's gonna be committed eventually
20:55:29skwadyep I saw you already said it :-)
20:55:44egotrippenmost of the WPS things were on the optimized first, because they don't check them like the devs do
20:56:24egotrippenthe bitmap progress bars, an early color hack, and the 24bit bitmaps were on optimized a couple days to a week before the dialy build picked 'em up
20:56:55skwadso the normal rockbox can make them better ^^
20:57:12egotrippenthe normal rockbox makes them more stable
20:57:18egotrippenit's got stricter requirements on code
20:57:21webguest37'Optimized' is really a misnomer...should be more like 'Experimental, Unstable & Potentially Harmful'
20:57:25SuperSnoutis there any way to find out what the controls are for rockdoom?
20:57:30SuperSnoutand how to strafe..
20:57:53Mikachutry all buttons
20:57:57skwadjust test the controls supersnout, or then download the source and look in the doom file
20:58:05nobelium1552/3000 :|
20:58:11Mikachunobelium: what are you doing?
20:58:21nobeliumtranslating to portuguese
20:58:28egotrippeni wouldn't say potentially harmful... they're not messing with the bootloader or anything
20:58:29nobeliumfrom scratch
20:58:35egotrippenbut otherwise, i agree
20:58:50Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: You can't really strafe, I believe.
20:59:02SuperSnoutthat's annoying..
20:59:09SuperSnoutis there any way to change the controls?
20:59:15skwadin the source
20:59:17webguest37I few weeks back they applied a power management patch that was bordering on dangerous from what I understand...totally untested and experimental
20:59:28SuperSnoutit would be much nicer if navi was shoot rather that up being shoot..
20:59:32egotrippenah, oh yeah
20:59:34egotrippenforgot about that
21:00:04nobeliumI actually use the Opt. Version
21:00:15nobeliumbut yes, they change some "critical" stuff
21:00:21egotrippennot all the patches say how complete they are on their pages
21:00:31Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: As he said, you can make all the changes to the controls you want if you compile your own copy.
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21:00:42egotrippenbut yeah, i'd be wary of power management stuff that's not committed
21:00:59webguest37The album art is tempting however, hopefully it'll make cvs in the near future
21:01:22egotrippenyou'd be better served patching CVS yourself, IMO
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21:01:37egotrippenif nothing else, i don't like the navi button turning the screen on on first press
21:02:17Paul_The_NerdYeah, I have my own personal "optimized" build for iPod
21:02:19webguest37But with album art in particular, I would prefer not to go through the hassle of setting everything up according to the patch and then have specs change before it gets committed
21:02:38egotrippeni changed by gwps.h button mappings and did a little filetree patch, just using CVS
21:02:41egotrippengood point
21:02:46Paul_The_NerdBut I'm not about to go pile every patch on it or anything. No album art, just things that I really felt make a big difference to my using it. And if they prove unstable, then bye.
21:03:08egotrippenchanged my^
21:04:31egotrippeni just stopped changing my own colors a little while ago. with backdrops and 24bit WPSs it's not really necessary
21:04:37egotrippenand there's the committed color changer now too
21:05:27egotrippenthat's another thing the optimized had for a long time before CVS, but it just had a couple presets to cycle through. the fully user-changeable is better
21:05:48SuperSnout|AWAYcompiling my own version of rockdooms sounds complicated
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21:06:10SuperSnoutis there anywhere i can just find out the controls?
21:06:21egotrippenask people who use it more than we do
21:06:31Mikachudidn't you get some hints already?
21:07:37SuperSnouthow would i compile my own version of rockdoom then?
21:07:51SuperSnoutwhere would i find the file that has the controls settings?
21:07:54egotrippentry to get your hands on the Rockbox Devkit
21:07:59egotrippeni'm not sure if it's still available
21:08:03SuperSnoutyou have to use a kit?
21:08:13egotrippenit's just a program
21:08:17SuperSnoutyou can't just edit a few values in notepad? =)
21:08:38egotrippenbut then to change that notepad thing into code, you need the devkit
21:08:38Paul_The_NerdSupersnout: Edit the values then you'd still have to compile it after.
21:08:53egotrippenit's small and fairly easy to use, if you can still find it
21:08:57Paul_The_NerdThe file is i_video.c.
21:09:15egotrippenif not, you'll have to spend an hour or so setting up Cygwin... it's a hassle, but a lot more powerful once it's done
21:09:55egotrippeni just switched over the other day to get the simulator working. if you deal with patches a lot, it's necessary
21:09:59SuperSnoutwhat is compiling anyway?
21:10:02Paul_The_Nerdegotrippen: It's not really a hassle to set up cygwin any more, since you just select packages. Don't even have to make crosscompilers.
21:10:06SuperSnoutand how do you do it?
21:10:29egotrippenpaul_the_nerd: is still took me an hour or two. one download messed up towards the end
21:10:42egotrippenit's not really hard, but it takes time
21:11:00Paul_The_Nerdegotrippen: Fair enough. Believe me, before the cygwin packages worked, it took a little bit longer, and had quite a bit more potential for typos.
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21:11:24egotrippeni've played around with a Linux distro a little, before i got a laptop and couldn't work the video out
21:11:37egotrippeni miss the paste feature on Mepis
21:11:58egotrippensupersnout: that's the guide, it
21:12:04egotrippenit's fairly straightforward
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21:12:15SuperSnoutthanks =)
21:12:30egotrippenthere's one with screenshots too, optional
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21:13:00SuperSnoutargh.. so the controls are in a file called i_video.c?
21:13:04SuperSnoutwhere is that file?
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21:14:45Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: In the doom source.
21:15:27SuperSnoutthe doom source?
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21:15:35Paul_The_NerdThe source code for doom
21:15:45SuperSnoutwhere is that =S
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21:15:56SuperSnouti know where the wad file is
21:16:01Dr_Spooni've been using gimp to draw some bitmaps, and they're coming out all garbled
21:16:03SuperSnoutand the .rock file..
21:16:58Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: The source code is in an entirely separate .zip
21:17:11Paul_The_NerdDr_Spoon: Are you saving them as 24-bit, windows format?
21:17:22SuperSnoutoh.. it wont be on my iriver?
21:17:26Dr_Spoongimp is awfully complicated - is there a linux app more like ms paint?
21:17:43Dr_Spoonyes i am... i think
21:18:44Dr_Spoonthey are 24bit bmps yes
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21:19:02Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: You can't just make one small change. You'll have to run a program to rebuild the plugin itself.
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21:19:31SuperSnoutokay.. are there any guides/
21:19:42Paul_The_Nerd as egotrippen said
21:20:02Paul_The_NerdDr_Spoon: Odd. What kind of garbled, and where are you using them?
21:20:45webguest31hi, quick question, if i want to print a line of text on the LCD to test somthing, is there a supported way of doing that?
21:21:25safetydanwebguest31, screen->putsxy(x, y, str)
21:21:51webguest31screen is global?
21:21:52safetydanor gui_syncsplash()
21:21:58safetydanwebguest31, no
21:22:07safetydanAre you in a plugin or in the application?
21:22:24safetydangui_syncsplash is probably your best bet
21:22:36webguest31ok cool. thanks
21:22:40safetydanas it's the easiest to use
21:22:45SuperSnoutdo you think there's any way of finding out what my rockdoom version is?
21:23:02safetydannote gui_syncsplash does actually take parameters, I was just too lazy to type them
21:23:10Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: Check the Optimized thread and see what version they say they're using.
21:23:32webguest31yea, i figured :)
21:24:22Dr_Spoonthe correct colours - but the pixels are all in the wrong places
21:25:20Paul_The_NerdDr_Spoon: Like, shifted or what?
21:26:24Dr_Spoonmaybe shifted - it seems to just be random
21:26:39linuxstbHow are you viewing the bmp files?
21:27:17Dr_Spoonwhat happens if you put the wrong size in the function call, maybe i've done that
21:27:36linuxstbYou need to explain in more detail what you are doing.
21:27:39Dr_Spoonin a plugin
21:27:58Mikachumore than that
21:28:49Dr_Spooncompiling space_invaders for h100 with different images
21:29:27Dr_Spoonsorry- typin is well slow on a pda :-(
21:29:56linuxstbSo you replaced some existing .bmp files with new ones?
21:30:48egotrippenyou need that diff
21:30:49egotrippenand this
21:30:56Dr_Spoonno - i saved differrent names and edited the correct SOURCES file to include them on 160x128 lcds
21:31:01egotrippenbut you can't really do anything until you get cygwin working
21:31:29MikachuSuperSnout: before you get ahead of yourself, are there any free buttons you could use for strafing?
21:31:48SuperSnouti've found someone elses button map idea..
21:31:55egotrippenheh, good call. no use strafing if you can't turn
21:32:32SuperSnoutlooks perfect.. exactly how i was imagining..
21:33:04SuperSnoutwhat do you think?
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21:33:23egotrippenyeah, looks alright
21:33:47SuperSnoutso what would the next step be?
21:34:48SuperSnoutthe link you sent for isn't working..
21:34:54egotrippenif there's no precompiled DOOM on that link with the buttonmappings you want...
21:35:03egotrippeni'll take a look at that too
21:35:26Dr_Spooni'll just check my #defines
21:35:37egotrippenfor now, get Cygwin working, then use this guide
21:35:42egotrippento get the CVS
21:35:54egotrippenwait, will you need that
21:36:12SuperSnouti'm just completely baffled at the moment
21:36:21egotrippenyeah, i don't do much with plugins
21:36:29egotrippeneither way, you'll need cygwin
21:36:36egotrippenstart with that while i look for the doom source
21:36:55SuperSnoutthe doom source is on the doom thread..
21:37:36SuperSnoutthe diff thing..
21:37:45egotrippenah, right
21:37:55egotrippenyou will need the CVS, to apply the diff
21:37:57Dr_Spoonfor any hope of getting space_invaders included in cvs will i need to make a patch? would space_invaders be something u'd want?
21:37:58SuperSnoutit's the that doesn't work
21:38:14SuperSnoutwhat is the
21:38:17egotrippenthe diff makes some changes to Rockbox so that Doom can work is the source of the plugin
21:38:30linuxstbDr_Spoon: Yes, I'm sure space invaders would be welcomed. And yes, you should make a patch and submit it to the patch tracker.
21:39:01egotrippenok, and on that nore
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21:39:17egotrippenyou want this diff, and not the old one:
21:39:31egotrippenand this
21:39:34webguest31it looks like gui_syncsplash takes several parameters, the first is HZ
21:39:41webguest31what is that?
21:39:57Mikachuticks per second
21:40:05Mikachuso if you say HZ, it will sleep 1 second
21:40:11Mikachuand 5*HZ will be five seconds etc
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21:40:32egotrippenso, what you want to do is get cygwin, following the instructions i first gave you here
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21:40:48egotrippenthen, get a copy of the CVS with this guide
21:41:00egotrippenapply the .diff, make the changes you want to doom
21:41:04egotrippenand compile
21:41:06SuperSnoutok... i have both things saved now..
21:41:22nobelium3000 lines done
21:41:26nobelium400 to go ;|
21:41:37Dr_Spooni'll look into it the wiki docs are good. I'm 15 and a little new to this...
21:41:37ender`on what platforms does doom work?
21:41:46webguest31where is HZ defined? cant seem to find it using grep
21:41:49Paul_The_Nerdender': All color platforms
21:41:59SuperSnoutit's amazing =D
21:42:03*ender` has H120 :(
21:42:15Mikachuwebguest31: install ctags and use a ctags-capable editor, it will save you hours
21:42:23Paul_The_Nerdender': Well, it *might* run on H120. I really don't know. I hear the display code was taken from iDoom, which worked on 2-bit ipods.
21:42:29LinusNwebguest31: firmware/export/kernel.h
21:43:16SuperSnoutok.. i'm installing cygwin now..
21:43:17safetydanyeesh... I'm really not getting anywhere with this directory copy/move stuff...
21:45:50safetydanfor some reason recursion with two external stacks just gets very confusing
21:46:23SuperSnoutwow.. ...... it's complicated to install.. thank god there's a guide..
21:46:54Dr_Spoonrecursion gives me a headache
21:47:17egotrippenit's basically like WINE for linux, which allows you to run windows programs under linux
21:47:30CassandraNew MP3 players are soooo annoying. It always takes over an hour to copy my music library onto them.
21:47:35SuperSnouti'm suck installing it....
21:47:45egotrippenexcept, not quite, becuase i think you need linux programs built specifically to Cygwin
21:47:55safetydanCassandra, the iPod finally arrived?
21:48:05SuperSnout"If Zip and Unzip are not selected, ie ‘skip’… Click on the work skip and the text changes to the current version number, and the checkbox for the binary is selected."
21:48:13SuperSnoutwhat the hell is that supposed to mean?
21:48:18egotrippenhold on
21:48:19Cassandrasafetydan: Yup.
21:48:46CassandraJust put Rockbox on it but can't try it until the music library has finished copying over. :(
21:48:52egotrippenok, you see the component screen, words with the little corsshairs next to them?
21:48:53CassandraI have such a hard life.#
21:48:53SuperSnoutahhh.. i think work is supposed to be word
21:48:55safetydanwoo, another tester for the iPod builds
21:48:57Dr_SpoonSuperSnout: it means u'll install that version
21:48:58egotrippenone should say archive
21:49:11*Cassandra didn't even bother installing iTunes. I mean ... why would you?
21:49:31egotrippenunder archive, look for zip/unzip
21:49:36SuperSnoutso i should just click on all the word skips in the achive bit?
21:49:48egotrippenjust next to zip and unzip
21:49:52Cassandrasafetydan, I've been testing the iPod builds on my Nano since they were first playing audio. ;)
21:50:03SuperSnoutoh ok
21:50:05SuperSnoutfound them
21:50:13SuperSnoutjust click on those 2 skips?
21:50:25egotrippenyou don't need most of the stuff Cygwin can include
21:50:32CassandraI believe I designed the first ever Nano colour WPS too.
21:50:33safetydanCassandra, ah... I forget that some people have more than one MP3 player
21:50:46egotrippennow do the same, under Devel is binutils, cvs, etc
21:50:50Cassandrasafetydan, erm ... 4 and counting.
21:50:55SuperSnouthow do i know what the current version number is?
21:50:57egotrippenonly click the skips next to the ones it says you need
21:51:10egotrippeni think once you click skip it should give a version number
21:51:18linuxstbCassandra: So when is boxes-320x240c coming?
21:51:20egotrippenwhatever it displays is going to be the current one
21:51:46CassandraLikely to be five after Devcon since [IDC]Dragon may be bringing me a player to stick a hard drive into.
21:52:04Cassandralinuxstb, didn't I do it already? Silly me.
21:52:33linuxstbAnd then boxes-240x320c for markun...
21:52:47CassandraWhat's he got then?
21:52:58CassandraAh, right.
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21:53:19CassandraYou know, I really want image scaling code in the WPS.
21:53:31linuxstbOr in the build system.....
21:53:37CassandraThen I might be able to reduce the number of different versions I have to maintain.
21:53:58Cassandralinuxstb, that'd do, true.
21:54:02SuperSnoutwhen i pressed next it said download incomplete =S
21:54:10CassandraReally boxes needs a redesign for larger screens.
21:54:23egotrippenthat's a pain. happened to me once too
21:54:29CassandraIt was designed for the H120 but it's a bit cramped on higher res screens.
21:54:32egotrippenyou need to pick a different mirror and do it again
21:54:59SuperSnoutdoes it have all the things selected the same?
21:55:14SuperSnoutoh god =|
21:55:29CassandraI think I'm finally going to have to give in and concede that browser backgrounds shouldn't carry over to the WPS though.
21:55:30egotrippenat least it happened to you right away
21:55:32SuperSnouthere we go again.....
21:55:38SuperSnoutthanks for the help by the way..
21:55:46SuperSnouti hope i get it to work in the end
21:56:19egotrippeni've gotta go to class pretty soon, but other people here will be able to help with the plugin itself better than i can
21:56:33egotrippencygwin will take a while to get set up, anyway
21:56:36Dr_Spoonwhat about a way of only including only wps made for the target LCD in the build system?
21:56:38Paul_The_NerdCassandra: I think that there should be the option to set a background color in the WPS, and if you have that line set, the browser background doesn't carry over.
21:56:38SuperSnoutot HAS kept all the connections =)
21:56:46egotrippenhas it? cool
21:56:56SuperSnout*selections =S
21:57:01Paul_The_NerdCassandra: So, if there's an %X or a %<backgroundcolorthingy> it doesn't carry over. If neither of those, it does.
21:57:10Paul_The_NerdThat way, if someone DOES make a background-agnostic WPS, it can still work
21:57:31linuxstbWe should at least have global bg/fg colour tags for the wps.
21:57:34Paul_The_NerdIt seems WPSes shouldn't be restricted to the same BG and FG colors are your menu anyway
21:57:35SuperSnoutis there someone who could help me once egotrippen has gone?
21:58:01linuxstbI mean global, as opposed to different lines of text being different colours.
21:58:02egotrippeni think the compile guide will take you most of the way
21:58:23Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yeah, I figured that. It was continuing my thread, rather than responding to you.
21:58:33SuperSnoutokay.. but how will i find what i need to change?
21:58:35linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, so was I...
21:58:37Dr_Spooni'll be here for half an hour - but cygwin might take longer
21:58:52SuperSnoutthanks Dr
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21:59:08egotrippento apply the diff, you'll need to put it in the \rockbox folder after you d/l the CVS
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21:59:15egotrippend/ling the CVS is in the guide
21:59:32SuperSnoutokay... what is applying the diff anyway?
21:59:45SuperSnoutwould the diff change the controls?
21:59:54egotrippena .diff is a list of changes to the CVS
22:00:02egotrippenno, but you need it to make DOOM run
22:00:15SuperSnoutand putting it into the rockbox folder and starting up rockbox will change the controls..
22:00:28egotrippenno, hold on
22:00:35Paul_The_NerdOkay, we need *5* 0-score builds. Just 5.
22:00:47egotrippenCygwin can download the latest bleeding edge build
22:00:56SuperSnoutbuild of what?
22:01:03egotrippenof Rockbox
22:01:13egotrippenonce that's done, you apply the .diff so DOOM can run
22:01:22egotrippenthen you edit the DOOM source to get the controls how you want
22:01:42SuperSnoutbut why would i need to download rockbox?
22:02:02SuperSnoutwow.. cygwin is going to take soooo long to download..
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22:02:21egotrippenwell... because i don't know how to compile a plugin outside the context of compiling rockbox
22:02:43egotrippeneither way you'll need Cygwin, downloading the CVS is easy/quick
22:03:11nobeliumwhere do I change to UTF?
22:03:13nobeliumcan't find
22:03:19egotrippenif you still want to use the optimized, you should be able to just bring the doom.rock or whatever it's called from the finished product, and not the entire build
22:03:44CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, the thing is that changing the WPS resets your background any way. (It has to because otherwise you'll get weird effects from all those Winamp style skins.)
22:03:52egotrippenbut i'd apply the .diff anyway, because if there's a conflict it won't compile at all
22:03:58SuperSnouti'm using optimized now...
22:04:12SuperSnoutoh dear.. i'm running out of space on the drive!!! ='(
22:04:19CassandraGiven that, it probably makes sense to have the WPS background and browser background totally separate.
22:04:27SuperSnoutthis is so tricky
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22:04:33egotrippenyeah, it's a pain
22:04:45egotrippenbut once Cygwin is in, it gets really easy to apply patches
22:04:53CassandraAnything else is probably too confusing, nifty though the idea of being able to make a "background agnostic" wps was.
22:04:57SuperSnoutok.. that's good to know
22:04:59egotrippenyou can make your own personal Optimized build that maybe isn't so buggy
22:05:09nobeliumegotrippen, can you tell me where to change to UTF?
22:05:13nobeliumcan't find that option
22:05:26egotrippennope, don't know enough about that
22:05:27SuperSnoutwould i need to know some kind of programming code to patch things?
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22:05:31Paul_The_NerdCassandra: Fine by me honestly. I just like getting to say the word "agnostic" any change I get. It's fun.
22:05:42safetydanhrmm... using the plugin buffer for file copies did not make as much difference as I'd hoped
22:05:47egotrippensnout, you need to know code to apply your own patches
22:05:55egotrippeni mean, write your own patches
22:06:08CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, eschaton is also good. Haven't figured out how to tie that one into Rockbox yet.
22:06:10egotrippenbut to apply patches off the patch tracker, you just need to know how .diff files work
22:06:20egotrippenwhich you're gonna learn today, if things go right
22:06:38SuperSnoutoh.. so is there a file that changes the controls to what i want already?
22:06:48egotrippennot that i've seen
22:06:53CassandraThinking about it, given that we now have support for separate fonts in WPS and browser, I'm inclined to say we ought to have separate background settings too.
22:06:56Dr_Spooni'd recommend getting the optimised source then hacking the included doom - no dual boot required
22:06:58egotrippenbut buttonmappings are pretty straightforward
22:07:14SuperSnoutplease god
22:07:14egotrippenif you can't tell what part of the code is a buttonmapping, someone here should be able to help you easily enough
22:07:19Cassandra(And in recording and FM etc.)
22:07:22SuperSnoutit's so nearly finnished
22:07:29SuperSnoutplease let my disk space last..
22:07:30Paul_The_NerdDr_Spoon: No dual boot is required with the normal source + doom either.
22:07:56egotrippenactually, that's a good call
22:07:56CassandraIt's also not 'optimised'. More 'living on the edge'.
22:07:57Paul_The_Nerdegotrippen: It's in the i_video.c file, a set of #defines partway down.
22:08:04SuperSnouti think it has stopped =(
22:08:11Cassandra(Or even more on the edge that standard Rockbox.)
22:08:15linuxstbCassandra: Yes, it should now be trivial to add more colour settings to Rockbox. Personally, I would quite like to be able to set a different fg/bg colour for the status bar.
22:08:37egotrippenCassandra: yeah, we know it's a misnomer. i don't use it
22:08:42Cassandralinuxstb, the status bar badly needs a complete revamp.
22:08:54linuxstbI know. Wasn't Paprica working on something?
22:09:11Papricaim working on the color calendar
22:09:14CassandraI vaguely remember a patch, but there have been so many ...
22:09:27Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: AFAIK there's a patch on the tracker that loads all the status bar icons from a single .bmp...
22:09:39SuperSnoutyes.. it has frozen and stopped downloading
22:09:41Paul_The_NerdIt's a far cry from full customization though.
22:09:44SuperSnoutit says no package
22:09:50CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, that sounds like a darn good idea.
22:10:03CassandraThen we can have status bars as part of a theme too.
22:10:14Cassandra(Assuming it supports different sizes.)
22:10:21egotrippenugh. sorry snout
22:10:22linuxstbAt the very least, we need to move the icons to external .bmp files, and have different sized built-in icons for the larger LCDs.
22:10:25SuperSnoutwhat do i do?
22:10:31Paul_The_NerdCassandra: I don't know if that patch does.
22:10:37egotrippenif you get it working, use this instead of the CVS source
22:10:49egotrippenjust start tryin again. get a book or something
22:11:02nobeliumdone :D
22:11:04CassandraWow. The iPod Video disk is amazingly quiet.
22:11:06nobeliumsaved as UTF-8 worked
22:11:06egotrippenclear off some HD space if that's the problem, if not then try a different mirror
22:11:10SuperSnoutthat's the same thing as i have running right?
22:11:13CassandraI have to hold it right up to my ear to hear it.
22:11:25SuperSnouti've cleared a bit but it's still frozen
22:11:28SuperSnouttoo late i think..
22:11:29Cassandra(Although it is inside an iSkin.)
22:12:04*Cassandra is kind of annoyed that the iPod looks so cool but you have to hide it away to avoid scratches.
22:12:23nobeliumthat's all it is
22:12:27nobelium"looks cool
22:12:28Paul_The_NerdCassandra: I personally like my iSkin better than my iPod Nano anyway.
22:12:30nobeliumbut isn't cool ;)
22:12:56SuperSnoutif i install again should it override all the stuff that's already downloaded?
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22:13:12CassandraI kind of like the shiny silver back.
22:13:29egotrippeni don't think so, you should clear it out manually
22:13:41CassandraIt's a bit crummy that all the black iPods come with white accessories though.
22:13:44SuperSnoutaargh.. i have to remember where it all is..
22:14:03safetydanIs the only way to update a patch file in the tracker is to add it as an attachment to a comment?
22:14:03egotrippenand yeah, that .zip is what you're running now, but it's the source of it that you can edit and comple yourself
22:14:09CassandraNot normally the kind of ball I'd expect 'style over substance' Apple to drop.
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22:14:47SuperSnoutso i'm going to be editing the source.. and then using it to replace all the system that i have at the moment?
22:14:48Paul_The_NerdYeah, I was kinda surprised they put all the white stuff in with black ipods too
22:14:55linuxstbCassandra: I assume you're not using the stock white earbuds though.
22:15:52Cassandralinuxstb, gods no. I'm sticking with my Etymotics.
22:15:55egotrippenyeah. using that .zip you won't need the diff
22:16:06egotrippenjust change the DOOM stuff to the way you want it, and compile
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22:17:47SuperSnoutwhen downloading it keeps sticking at /etc/postinstall/ "no package"
22:17:48egotrippenas cygwin is installing again, you should try again to look for the devkit
22:17:54SuperSnoutwhat do i do?
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22:17:59egotrippenyou have to pick a different mirror
22:18:04SuperSnouti have
22:18:21egotrippentry another one, i guess :)
22:18:31SuperSnoutand when i press cancel it says installation complete =S
22:18:33SuperSnouti wish
22:19:16SuperSnoutsame again..
22:20:18SuperSnoutok.. i've tried 3 different mirrors they all stop there ='(
22:21:00egotrippendunno what to tell ya. maybe someone else can figure it out
22:21:07egotrippeni've got class. happy hunting
22:21:14SuperSnoutthanks =)
22:21:21Paul_The_NerdWell, if you notice that file it in /postinstall/ so it sounds like somethings going wrong *after* the files are downloaded.
22:21:33Paul_The_NerdIndependent of the mirror, probalby, though I couldn't guess what.
22:21:34SuperSnouthmm.. okay
22:21:57SuperSnoutcould it be connected with the fact that i ran out of space?
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22:22:41SuperSnoutand then when i press cancel it says nothing needs to be installed
22:23:55SuperSnouthelp!! this doesn't look good... i have loads of sh.exes running!
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22:25:07*Paul_The_Nerd knows very little about the Cygwin install process.
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22:25:54SuperSnoutargh.. maybe i should restart...
22:26:10SuperSnouti've deleted the files i had already downloaded...
22:26:15SuperSnoutok.. i'll restart..
22:26:21*Mikachu hugs absence of windows
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22:28:04Paul_The_NerdMikachu: My next laptop will be researched to make sure that it's linux-friendly. This one was a warranty replacement, so I didn't have much say. =/
22:28:20*petur looks for somebody with colinux knowledge
22:28:28*amiconn curses X11
22:28:42amiconnWhy the *** doesn't DPMS work ???
22:29:16Bagderthat's not an x11 issue
22:29:19Mikachuwell ti's up to the display driver
22:29:20Bagderits a drivers issue
22:29:42amiconnWell, xscreensaver should enable dpms, no?
22:29:50Mikachuit can't if the driver doesn't support it
22:29:52Bagderit does for me
22:29:58amiconnMy xorg.conf has Option "DPMS" both for device and monitor
22:30:02Mikachudoes xset force dpms on or something work?
22:30:11linuxstbDoes anyone know if bmp2rb should work on a mono bitmap 7x144 pixels in size?
22:30:29amiconnIt should work on any bmp
22:30:53amiconn...uncompressed bmp that is
22:33:42amiconnMikachu: xset dmps force off tries to force the monitor into the off state, but all it does is blank the screen
22:34:01amiconnMonitor stays in on state, just black, same way as with xscreensaver
22:34:59Mikachui would go ahead and blame the driver thne
22:37:00linuxstbIs anyone looking at my bmp file?
22:38:07Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: That's odd.
22:38:32markunamiconn: I had to add Option "DPMS"
22:38:40Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Just tried it, and see what you mean. It outputs an array of just one value in each entry?
22:38:41markunto my Section "Monitor"
22:38:51amiconnmarkun: I have that option, both for device and monitor
22:38:57linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Yes - with "-f 0", it just produces an array of zeros
22:39:41Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yup, that's what I got too.
22:40:31Papricavery simple
22:40:40Papricai need to work on it more
22:41:38Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: It's odd. If I save it as 24-bit, it's fine. If I save it back as 1-bit, it doesn't work again.
22:42:11Paprica(i hope that i right with my thought, are you working on custom statusbar icons?)
22:43:58linuxstbPaprica: I was just trying to move the existing icons into external .bmp files that the bmp2rb build system can use.
22:44:19Papricasorry =]
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22:44:50Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Make it 1 pixel wider, and it works. I think it's the odd width maybe? Limitation of bmp2rb for mono
22:45:41amiconnMikachu: Hmm, strange, if I go back to analog VGA, DPMS works. With DVI it doesn't work
22:48:44Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Why would a 7x144 bitmap be 638 bytes, and a 144x7 (which also works with bmp2rb) be 202? (I tried rotating it, and then tried just increasing the width by one)
22:49:12LinusNPaul_The_Nerd: because bmp files are 32-bit aligned
22:49:22amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: bmp lines are padded to 32bit
22:49:36*Paul_The_Nerd learns something new every time he comes here.
22:49:58LinusNthis bug is most likely a rounding error somewhere
22:51:00amiconnThe padding calculation seems off...
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22:56:21amiconnlinuxstb: Could you test something for me? I think I got it right:
22:56:36amiconnchange line 162 of bmp2rb.c into
22:56:38amiconnpadded_width = ((width * depth + 31) / 8) & ~3; /* aligned 4-bytes boundaries */
22:57:04linuxstbDoing it now...
22:57:22amiconnBah, this bug is oooold
22:58:44linuxstbYes, that seems perfect.
22:58:53amiconnokay, I'll commit
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22:59:44LinusNwow, there certainly is a difference in power consumption when playing music with rockbox vs the iriver firmware
22:59:51linuxstbI'm not sure how we should deal with arrays of bitmaps with the bmp2rb build system though.
23:00:15amiconnArrays of bitmaps? You mean this bitmap strip?
23:00:29Paul_The_NerdLinusN: how big?
23:00:33linuxstbIn apps/recorder/icons.c it is an array of bitmaps - I've just exported it as a single bitmap.
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23:01:05LinusNthe iriver firmware draws a measly 60mA when decoding MP3, while Rockbox draws 100mA doing nothing at 11MHz
23:01:15amiconnWell, using the strip as-is is possible with lcd_mono_bitmap_part(), but it will probably increase code size a bit
23:01:16Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Could you just run through a loop and use a stride like bitmap part to put it into the proper array?
23:01:18LinusNsomething is seriously wrong!
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23:02:59webguest11hey preglow, are you there :)
23:03:00linuxstbamiconn: Yes, that's what I did in Sudoku when I converted my arrays of numbers into single bitmaps.
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23:03:43amiconnlinuxstb: There are a number of functions for displaying one single icon.
23:04:06LinusNan interesting thing is that the iriver firmware draws 100mA doing nothing in the playing screen
23:04:13amiconnWhat about merging these into one function, taking the icon id as a parameter ?
23:04:35amiconnLinusN: I suspect that one thread forgets to sleep...
23:04:38LinusNand then goes down to 60mA when playing the music
23:04:49amiconn...but perhaps there are more problems than just that
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23:05:59SuperSnoutargh.. i can't find the link to the guide to installing cygwin anymore
23:06:04SuperSnoutwhere was it again?, click on "ocumentation"
23:07:10Bagderthe concept of docs in documentation is hard to grasp
23:07:21LinusNas soon as i stop the music, the current consumption goes up to 100mA again
23:07:54BagderLinusN: its just crazy
23:08:26LinusNbtw, boosting the cpu from 45mhz to 124mhz costs 30mA
23:08:45LinusNthe backlight draws 50mA
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23:11:47amiconnLinusN: H3x0?
23:12:03stripwaxI have an Ogg Vorbis file that allegedly plays fine in everything except Rockbox. The user who logged a bug for this emailed me the file privately. I will make it available privately:
23:12:26amiconnLinusN: Will you do similar measurements for h1x0 as well?
23:12:47Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: What version of oggenc was used to create it?
23:13:12stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - don't know. It's only just been sent to me. One sec..
23:13:41stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - hhrmmm.. Xiph.Org/Sjeng.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (GTune 3, beta 1)
23:13:59stripwaxooh. also this:
23:14:20stripwaxWarning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4431618 bytes. Corrupted ogg.
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23:14:38stripwaxhrm. and this: Warning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4500 bytes. Corrupted ogg.
23:14:56Paul_The_NerdSo, it sounds like it's corrupted
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23:15:03Paul_The_NerdAlso, 2002-07-17 sounds kinda old.
23:15:12Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure when vorbis 1.0 was though.
23:15:27LinusNamiconn: maybe one of those days
23:17:10stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - I'll check .. I know that the vorbis encoder that comes with the Rio Karma is approximately that old (circa 2002)
23:17:29Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: Rockbox doesn't support pre-1.0 vorbis files I believe.
23:17:51godzirraI asked this before but dunno if I ever got an answer... Can you rate mp3s on rockbox the way you can on itunes and some other media players on a PC?
23:17:56stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - understood. If this turns out to be pre-1.0 then that sounds like the problem.. will check with the user.
23:18:10stripwaxgodzirra - yep. you need to have the tag database enabled in rockbox
23:18:18godzirraHow do you enable that or check and see if its enabled?
23:18:33Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: I don't know the dates though, but you also mentioned that whatever you checked with listed corruptions.
23:18:34godzirraAnd does that rate it just in the tag database? (i.e. if I copy the mp3 off of the rockbox, it doesnt keep the rating?)
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23:19:13stripwaxgodzirra- And yes, it just rates it in the tag database. I think all other media players behave the same way, I don't think there is any way to tag the file itself
23:19:21stripwaxBut I could be wrong!
23:19:41godzirraHuh.. ok. I thought there was a rating in the id3 tag. Bummer.
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23:19:50stripwaxAlso the tag database is kinda buggy.
23:20:06Paul_The_Nerdgodzirra: I don't believe rockbox writes to your files at all, ever.
23:20:15*Paul_The_Nerd thinks that's a good policy for a portable device.
23:20:33Bagderalso, the concept should hold for more than mp3
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23:20:59godzirraPaul_The_Nerd: I don't disagree.. it would just be useful for some instances.
23:21:00Bagdernot that the tagdb is very good anyway...
23:21:25godzirraDoes tagdb work like the original apple firmware? i.e. I can click "artists -> Seven Nations -> play all Seven Nations" ?
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23:21:34Paul_The_Nerdgodzirra: Well, it seems that once the tagcache is implemented, someone could create a plugin for Foobar or some other player, to sync it.
23:21:38godzirraI'm erading the page and it looks like it works like that, but ascii tree art is kind of funny :)
23:22:16Paul_The_Nerdgodzirra: It should work like that, but it's kinda... the code is old, and not maintained at the moment, so it may have bugs. A replacement is in the works though.
23:22:41stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - the bitstream format for vorbis was frozen Monday, May 8th 2000. Now, whether this guys encoder is 1.0 compliant or not is a different matter. But something is defintely corrupted.
23:23:33Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: Yeah, if it's corrupted, it's hardly Rockbox's fault for not playing it, even if other players tolerate or accept it. :)
23:23:43Hideospeaking of database, HCl is gone again? :)
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23:25:31stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - yeps. Maybe I should encourage the guy to hop onto #rockbox and tell us about it. Seems the file he sent me is one that other players 'tolerate' but which caused Rockbox to freeze completely. IMO rockbox should not tolerate corrupted audio files, but it should not freeze either.
23:25:55Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: I agree, freezing in *any* situation is not exactly desirable behaviour.
23:26:51jlopreglow : did you test the crossfeed soft ?
23:27:22stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - yeah. Did you download the track yet? I'll try running it thru the sim and see if I can catch where it dies. Also - what is this tagdb replacement you speak of ? :-)
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23:29:08Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: I downloaded the file, but I haven't looked at it. Also, the sim's audio playback isn't necessarily indicative of Rockbox on hardware. *especially* since I hear it's touchy about vorbis at the moment anyway.
23:29:21stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - ah, oh ..
23:30:00Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: It's called tagcache, and it sounds like it's basically tagdb, but built on-box using rockbox's metadata handlers.
23:30:05stripwaxHrm, well, it doesn't hang..
23:30:39stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - groovy. I think that's the way it should always be ; I never grokked the offline db update thang
23:30:40CassandraHmmm. I was getting pauses in playback, but it's stopped now.
23:31:24Cassandrasplash() needs fixing for custom colours.
23:32:08Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: The only thing is that it could take a while to generate. I'd still prefer that, though
23:32:13stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - weird. Rockbox seems to (rightly) do nothing with t his corrupted ogg. The sim plays vorbis back fine afaict :-)
23:32:29stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - yeah, for a one-off, I'd be ok with that.
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23:32:56Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: Odd, I'd heard many people couldn't get vorbis to play. (though, the last time I tried it worked too. Heh)
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23:35:33amiconnstripwax: Building the db on target takes a good while
23:35:54amiconnI tested it on h140, archos recorder and ondio
23:36:46Paul_The_NerdHow long did it take on h140? I mean, I know your library wouldn't reflect how long mine might take, but I'm curious what kinda time range we're talking.
23:37:23Shadowarrior13How's doom progress coming on the iPod?
23:37:56stripwaxamiconn - I'd imagine it would take less time than it takes to run the old Perl tagdb builder on my fileserver (it took over 24 hours .. my fileserver is a 266Mhz NSLU2 ... :-) )
23:38:03Paul_The_NerdShadowarrior13: There's a patch in the tracker, that you can use to play it.
23:38:19Bagderstripwax: shut of the dreaded crc check and it'll fly
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23:38:57stripwaxBagder - I'm sure you're right. I found three bugs within minutes of enabling "Show: ID3 Tags" so turned it all off again and haven't looked back ..
23:39:04amiconnstripwax: huh? The perl thingy took a couple of minutes here... running it directly over the USB-mounted target
23:39:08stripwax(i.e. rockbox hanging or doing insane things)
23:39:16stripwaxamiconn - cool.
23:39:20Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: Yeah, my database ended up with several multiple entries for the same song, and empty entries in other places.
23:39:49Shadowarrior13Paul: I'd have to compile that, which I'm the worst person in the world at, as you should know :P
23:39:54stripwaxamiconn - but I bet your PC is more powerful than mine..
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23:40:58amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: For some reason I don't find the numbers for H140 anymore, but I remember that H140 and recorder weren't too far apart speed-wise. It seems to depend mostly on disk speed access speed
23:41:05Cassandra-Right, I'm getting pauses in playback as the PCM buffer refills.
23:41:23amiconnBuilding a tagcache from ~3200 tracks took ~10 minutes on archos recorder
23:41:32Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Are we talking "less than an hour" "less than 4 hours" or "less than a day" here?
23:41:51Paul_The_NerdFor *me* at least, that's not so bad.
23:42:04stripwaxamiconn - I think that's acceptable
23:42:16amiconn09:30 until "force tagcache update" finished, and another 30 sec at the next boot
23:42:32Cassandra-amiconn: You have working tagcache code?
23:42:36amiconnWay slower than running the perl or java thingy
23:43:11Cassandra-dircache on the iPod took something scarily small like for 35gigs of music.
23:43:14amiconnCassandra: I have the half-baked beta from Slasheri, with a fix to make it work on alignment-picky targets
23:43:38amiconnI dunno whether there are endianess problems which would hit iPod
23:43:39Cassandra-6 secs
23:43:57Cassandra-I'll hang on till it's more mature, I think.
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23:44:17amiconnThis version doesn't do segmented browsing
23:44:34amiconnOther than that it works; didn't test it extensively
23:44:42SuperSnoutpaul_the_nerd: the cygwin installation is going better now =)
23:44:48SuperSnouti think it's nearly done..
23:45:49Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Segmented browsing?
23:46:00Cassandra-Right. I think that the Video's PCM buffer isn't filling fast enough when the system is under load.
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23:46:28Cassandra-(ie the PCM buffer gradually empties after I start watching the audio thread.)
23:46:36amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: For normal directory browsing, it is recommended to set 'max files in dir' fairly low, just high enough for your largest dir.
23:46:42Cassandra-But is OK if I'm just sitting in the dir browser.
23:46:54SuperSnoutpaul_the_nerd: 50%
23:47:17amiconnThis is especially important on archos because of the small RAM
23:47:27Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Yeah, but what I meant to ask is "what do you mean by segmented"?
23:47:39amiconnHowever, the database 'tracks' list is most likely much longer,
23:47:54amiconnso the tagdb code handles the lists in segments
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23:48:08amiconnIt can do this because the tagdb lists are pre-sorted
23:48:20Cassandra-amiconn, ah, Slasheri worked around that. Cool.
23:48:27amiconntagcache doesn't do this yet, so 2 things happen here when browsing by track
23:48:44Cassandra-Oh, he didn't.
23:48:48amiconnCassandra: tag*cache* doesn't do this yet, unlike tagdb
23:48:51SuperSnoutit's quite funny needing a guide to install something =)
23:48:58Cassandra-Erm, I remember having this problem with tagdb.
23:49:20amiconn(1) I get a message 'dir buffer full' (2) I can only browse tracks up to "E"
23:49:37amiconnRather, not up to "E" because the whole list isn't sorted
23:49:53amiconnbut only 500 tracks (my max files setting) out of 3200
23:49:56stripwaxDid anyone ever get a chance to investigate
23:50:06Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: So, were you able to set the files/directory limit beyond the number on your player safely, tagcache would essentially be working? (Not in the "every wish is granted" sense but in the "it doesn't cause things to spontaneously melt, and lets me play files" sense)
23:50:09BagderTotal Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 239,864
23:50:25stripwaxIf not, now that I've got the sdl sim working on my PC, I'll give it a shot.
23:50:27Bagderapps/firmware only
23:50:39amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, but then I wouldn't be able to use the unit for a decent amount of time
23:51:04SuperSnoutpaul_the_nerd: it's done!! =D
23:51:07 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:51:34Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: Cygwin is installed successfully?
23:51:59SuperSnouti'm not sure what to do now though
23:52:09SuperSnoutwhen i run it it opens cmd..
23:52:13amiconnI don't need a db for standard operation, for me the db has just two minor purposes:
23:52:23Paul_The_NerdIt should open something that looks similar, but not the same, as cmd.
23:52:27stripwaxSuperSnout - you need to check out the cvs repository next!
23:52:31amiconn(1) Find typos in tags (2) Find dupes I overlooked otherwise
23:52:35SuperSnoutwell yeah.. that's what it's doing =)
23:52:47amiconnOtherwise I prefer file browsing
23:53:01SuperSnoutokay.. the cvs repository... what's that... the source code?
23:53:27Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I prefer file browsing too, but it'd be nice to have it on there for things like playing by Genre on occasion. Or by age, if that ever gets implemented.
23:53:31*Cassandra- really likes the jackash font on the iPod Video display.
23:53:34SuperSnoutokay.. so just get the same source code as what's running on my player at the moment?
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23:53:50Paul_The_NerdSuperSnout: if you want instructions for using the official rockbox CVS source.
23:53:55stripwaxSuperSnout - yep.. except your player isn't running the source code, but yes
23:54:01Paul_The_NerdWell, downloading it.
23:54:11SuperSnoutyeah whatever =)
23:54:17stripwaxSuperSnout -
23:54:47*amiconn wonders about this genre thing
23:55:19*stripwax wonders what amiconn is wondering about
23:56:06SuperSnoutok.. i'm downloading the source now.. what next?
23:56:13Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I have a *lot* of various game soundtracks and/or videogame remixes that are in different scattered folders by artist, in most cases, and are all Genre Game. At the moment I have a "Game" playlist, but it would be neat, were my collection to change, to not have to update the playlist every time.
23:56:21amiconnNone of my tracks are tagged by genre (some are occasionally, but not by me)
23:56:41stripwaxSuperSnout - next, you'll need to "mkdir build", then "cd build", then "../tools/configure"
23:56:57amiconnI don't care; imho it's not possible to sort music in drawers called 'genre' reliably
23:56:57SuperSnoutokay.. =S
23:57:08Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: The only ones of mine that have a genre tag for me are ones like that, where I need an easy way to pull a collection out of the mix. I actually have some genred "Favorites"
23:57:17LinusNi'm having a hard time sorting my music by genre
23:57:34LinusNfor example, when does "Rock" become "hard rock"?
23:57:41Paul_The_NerdYeah, that's a difficult question.
23:57:51LinusNwhen the distortion pedal goes above 8?
23:57:58stripwaxWhen it goes above 11 ;-)
23:58:12JdGordonwosre.. hwne does black become death become hardcore? (metal) ?
23:58:16amiconnI have some very loose "genres" as top-level dirs in order to cut the size of th elists a bit
23:58:17JdGordonand gmorning al
23:58:27LinusNjust sort it all under "Negerpunk"
23:58:38amiconnLinusN: haha!
23:58:49*amiconn remembers a certain ml discussion
23:58:51*Moos is remenbering that long discussion about
23:58:56Mooshehe :)
23:59:00stripwaxYeah, fine-grain genres don't make a lot of sense; "rock" vs "dance" maybe all you need
23:59:00LinusNthat's a true rockbox gem

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