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| 00:09:22 | skwad | everybody sleeping ? |
| 00:09:40 | Aditya | hallo |
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| 00:09:58 | skwad | if somebody could say me what this group - song is : http://site.voila.fr/bladeut64/jeumusical/Extrait27_02_2006.mp3 |
| 00:10:02 | obstjaeger | does cpu frequency in the rockbox debug menu really mean what it sounds like? |
| 00:10:06 | BladeSling | Woah, lot more people then I thought would be in here. |
| 00:10:28 | linuxstb | obstjaeger: What player are you running Rockbox on? |
| 00:10:32 | preglow | obstjaeger: eh? |
| 00:10:39 | obstjaeger | ihp 120 |
| 00:10:57 | linuxstb | It's the current clock speed of the cpu |
| 00:11:09 | preglow | what did you expect the cpu frequency to sound like? |
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| 00:11:58 | obstjaeger | i wondered that i can choose between two frequencies |
| 00:12:10 | preglow | don't start relying on that |
| 00:12:15 | preglow | it's just a debug thing |
| 00:12:26 | virtualball2 | linuxstb, thanks for the page, i filled it in completely |
| 00:14:05 | obstjaeger | so it may not really change the frequency? |
| 00:15:06 | linuxstb | virtualball2: The command "unzip rockbox.zip -d /Volumes/IPOD/" works well. |
| 00:15:08 | BladeSling | I use an ipod 5th generation with rockbox, and when I try to load the default firmware it can't seem to load.. When I installed rockbox is there a chance I lost the ipod firmware? |
| 00:15:51 | virtualball2 | ya ill fix that now |
| 00:15:57 | linuxstb | BladeSling: You need to press and hold MENU very quickly after your ipod reboots - just before the Apple logo appears. |
| 00:16:03 | preglow | obstjaeger: it changes the cpu freq, yes, but it shoulndn't matter for toy |
| 00:16:10 | virtualball2 | linuxstb, do you mind the "whats your favorite book" line? :P |
| 00:16:16 | BladeSling | I do, it says loading default firmware and repeats that over and over again |
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| 00:18:34 | markun | amiconn: did you want to tell me something? |
| 00:19:01 | amiconn | I wanted to ask whether /usr/include/errno.h exists on your bsd box |
| 00:19:05 | obstjaeger | preglow: but the difference is nearly 60Mhz |
| 00:19:16 | BladeSling | Was I suppose to copy the backups I made to the ipod? I have them on my hard drive :\ |
| 00:19:34 | preglow | obstjaeger: yeah, but so what? what does rockbox need those mhz for? |
| 00:19:41 | markun | amiconn: yes, it does |
| 00:20:02 | amiconn | ok. Does it in turn #include <sys/errno.h> ? |
| 00:21:58 | linuxstb | BladeSling: How big is the original bootpartition.bin file you copied from your ipod at the start of the installation process? |
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| 00:23:02 | preglow | amiconn: it also exists on two other unices i have access to |
| 00:23:07 | markun | amiconn: no, but it's in fact a symlink to /usr/include/sys/errno.h |
| 00:23:12 | amiconn | okay |
| 00:23:55 | amiconn | So it seems my workaround for the tls/nptl errno problem should work on most systems |
| 00:23:59 | SuperSnout | is it normal for the battery to drain at about 5% every 10 mins on the h300? |
| 00:24:02 | linuxstb | For what it's worth, I've just checked a Solaris box I have access to, and that has /usr/include/errno.h, which includes <sys/errno.h> |
| 00:24:31 | amiconn | ..and /usr/include/sys/errno.h exists? |
| 00:24:48 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 00:24:57 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 00:25:38 | amiconn | So the only problematic sim hosts are mingw32 (possibly cross-compiled) and cygwin, for which I made exceptions |
| 00:28:51 | SuperSnout | can i ask a quick question about how people organise their music folders? |
| 00:29:03 | preglow | just ask |
| 00:29:05 | SuperSnout | what do you do when you have an album with 2 artists? |
| 00:29:21 | SuperSnout | make an entirely new artist folder? |
| 00:29:37 | SuperSnout | called say.. Crucial Bunny & Scientist |
| 00:29:50 | SuperSnout | or just have it in the same folder.. |
| 00:30:23 | markun | SuperSnout: I made a new folder for "Brian Eno & David Byrne" |
| 00:30:33 | amiconn | markun: What problems did you encounter when trying to build the sim on bsd? |
| 00:30:42 | SuperSnout | hmm.. okay.. |
| 00:30:59 | virtualball2 | like? |
| 00:31:21 | markun | amiconn: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/freebsd.patch |
| 00:31:32 | vca | SuperSnout: personally, i arrange everything Artist/Album/01\ Track\ Name unless it's a various artists comp. albums with two artists get their own folder |
| 00:31:35 | preglow | i've got a "scientist" folder, then "scientist & jammy - stries back!" withtin that folder again |
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| 00:31:49 | preglow | but that's a special case... |
| 00:31:51 | markun | amiconn: only small problems as you can see. |
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| 00:32:11 | virtualball2 | sorry my scroll bar was up, diregard my "like?" |
| 00:32:48 | preglow | all depends which musician you've got the most stuff of, i guess |
| 00:33:15 | SuperSnout | vca: that's what i do too |
| 00:33:16 | amiconn | markun: sdl11-config ?? |
| 00:33:52 | amiconn | So you didn't encounter the errno problem... |
| 00:34:02 | SuperSnout | vca: exactly what i do.. except i name the files 01 - track |
| 00:34:29 | vca | SuperSnout: same idea, just something to keep them in playlist order |
| 00:34:35 | markun | amiconn: no, unless something changed today that causes the errno problem |
| 00:35:08 | amiconn | No, but I'm about to commit something that fixes the errno problem for linux systems using nptl |
| 00:35:40 | amiconn | I hope it won't break anything for bsd and others |
| 00:35:59 | markun | I'll let you know |
| 00:35:59 | SuperSnout | vca: what do you do when the album has lots of artists? |
| 00:36:17 | SuperSnout | vca: i have a folder called "various" |
| 00:36:28 | preglow | makes sensw |
| 00:36:31 | preglow | sense, even |
| 00:36:48 | vca | SuperSnout: V/A and mix CDs are usually Arranger/AlbumTitle/01 Artist - Title |
| 00:37:10 | amiconn | markun: The sims will then use the host's errno implementation except on cygwin / mingw32 |
| 00:37:26 | SuperSnout | vca: arranger? |
| 00:37:26 | vca | so if it's the newest dj mix cd from whoever, it gets named with the dj that mixed it, keeping it all together |
| 00:37:31 | SuperSnout | okay |
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| 00:38:18 | amiconn | If that doesn't work on bsd, you can add bsd to the exceptions |
| 00:38:22 | SuperSnout | and if it's say.. a game soundtrack.. instead of an artist you'll have a folder called say.. Jet Set Radio Soundtrack.. |
| 00:38:33 | markun | amiconn: ok, I'll try as soon as you commit |
| 00:38:41 | SuperSnout | vca: or would you have a folder called soundtracks? |
| 00:39:35 | vca | SuperSnout: hm, never ran into that.. all my soundtracks are arranged by the composer/arranger. for example Requiem for a Dream is under "Clint Mansell & Kronos Quartet" |
| 00:40:24 | vca | whatever makes it the easiest for me to remember w/o crashing the car trying to find it :) |
| 00:40:28 | preglow | SuperSnout: i've got a whole folder called soundtracks |
| 00:41:22 | preglow | SuperSnout: but when it comes to those, it should be simple enough to group by arranger/composer/whatever |
| 00:41:35 | SuperSnout | preglow: with all your artist folders? |
| 00:42:05 | SuperSnout | but when you think of a soundtrack you don't think of the arranger.. do you? |
| 00:44:45 | preglow | SuperSnout: that's where the "whatever" fits in :) it's all very floating, and in the end, i don't care much, to be honests |
| 00:45:01 | preglow | as long as i can find my music |
| 00:45:56 | vca | yup. that's one of the great things about rockbox. it doesn't much matter as long as you can find it |
| 00:46:00 | linuxstb | Does anyone know any good (GPL'd) z80 emulator cores? |
| 00:46:13 | virtualball2 | earch iPL |
| 00:46:18 | virtualball2 | *search |
| 00:46:27 | virtualball2 | they had one posted awhile back i think |
| 00:48:19 | preglow | gnight |
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| 01:09:39 | amiconn | w00t! |
| 01:09:49 | amiconn | sim is working on amd64 :-) |
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| 01:10:03 | amiconn | Still those warnings to fix, but it works... |
| 01:10:27 | stripwax | sup |
| 01:10:29 | BladeSling | Hello, I was in here inquering on my ipod's original firmware, I still cannot figure out why it will not boot to it, it just says the booting to original over and over again. |
| 01:11:51 | XavierGr | 8 seconds per build! WOW |
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| 01:12:18 | amiconn | Bagder ? |
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| 01:12:59 | linuxstb | BladeSling: You must have done something wrong in the installation. Firstly, how big is the "bootpartition.bin" file you extracted from your ipod in the first step? |
| 01:13:08 | * | amiconn needs a way to check for amd64 in tools/configure |
| 01:13:23 | stripwax | cpuid? |
| 01:13:28 | Cassandra | uname? |
| 01:13:32 | BladeSling | 80,294kb |
| 01:13:35 | amiconn | uname -m says 'x86_64' |
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| 01:13:54 | amiconn | ..so that should work, but I need to know how to add this to configure |
| 01:14:14 | linuxstb | BladeSling: That looks right. Now, how bit are the apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin files? |
| 01:14:19 | linuxstb | ^big |
| 01:14:26 | amiconn | I need to add a flag to GCCOPTS when x86_64 is found |
| 01:14:29 | amiconn | -fPIC |
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| 01:15:16 | * | amiconn doesn't know much about shell scripts |
| 01:15:25 | stripwax | is -fPIC bad when cpu is not amd64? |
| 01:16:04 | Cassandra | Erm, ... if [`uname -m` == "x86_64" ]; then GCCOPTS="$GCCOPTS -flag"; fi |
| 01:16:30 | Cassandra | There should be several similar statements in configure. |
| 01:16:46 | Cassandra | Find one and make sure I've got the syntax right off the top of my head. |
| 01:17:01 | Cassandra | (We hates sh scripts, we does.) |
| 01:17:51 | Cassandra | (Or look in 'man bash'.) |
| 01:18:05 | amiconn | What Iif I want to add something to GCCOPTS? |
| 01:18:13 | amiconn | nm |
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| 01:18:44 | cooltom | good night all |
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| 01:20:02 | stripwax | SuperSnout - hey, how's rockdoom on your H3xx? ;-) |
| 01:20:02 | Febs | preglow, have you seen this thread at Mistic River? http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=37675 |
| 01:20:18 | Febs | (the second page of the thread is the part that is significant) |
| 01:20:30 | SuperSnout | stripwax: it worked!! =D |
| 01:21:06 | SuperSnout | stripwax: i only had to change one word =| |
| 01:21:24 | stripwax | :-D |
| 01:21:37 | linuxstb | Febs: He said goodnight about 30 minutes ago... |
| 01:22:01 | SuperSnout | i can't believe how fast my battery drains =( |
| 01:22:28 | SuperSnout | stripwax: does your battery drain a lot faster if you have you player connected to the computer? |
| 01:22:32 | amiconn | hrmph |
| 01:22:33 | stripwax | heh, doesn't surprise me! |
| 01:22:53 | stripwax | SuperSnout - hrm, no, I don't think so... never tested though |
| 01:23:41 | SuperSnout | stripwax: well mine's gone down by 50% in about 2 hours |
| 01:24:11 | Cassandra | You know, I'm thinking the iPod 5g sounds brighter in the high frequencies than the H1xx. I wonder if I'm imagining that. |
| 01:25:43 | Aditya | probably just imagining |
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| 01:25:55 | BladeSling2 | Hmm, intresting... I'm in here twice sorta... |
| 01:25:58 | stripwax | bah - chicago-12 font doesn't have international glyphs, and the Nimbus-12 font is a slightly different height so messes up my wps .. !! |
| 01:26:02 | Aditya | just like how people still think macs are amazing for graphics editing and windows is not |
| 01:26:29 | BladeSling2 | The weather here is messing with my internet, I can't expore the web lol, took me like 20 reties to get on IRC |
| 01:26:31 | Cassandra | stripwax, jackash-16 has some international chars. |
| 01:26:45 | Cassandra | (and looks pretty funky on a 5g in my opinion.) |
| 01:26:54 | stripwax | Cassandra - the '16' suggests to me it's probably larger than the '12' .. ?? |
| 01:27:04 | Cassandra | 16x8ish, yes. |
| 01:27:35 | stripwax | Nimbus-12 has international chars. but is, oddly, a different height to Chicago-12. So I'm wondering who defines what the pt height is here.. |
| 01:28:16 | stripwax | (I'm using marquee.wps as my 'test' of 12-pt font height...) |
| 01:28:20 | BladeSling2 | linuxstb, you there? |
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| 01:29:25 | linuxstb | BladeSling: Yes. |
| 01:29:49 | stripwax | Maybe Marquee.wps should be modified to work with Nimbus-12 |
| 01:29:50 | BladeSling | Did you say anything after you asked how big my bootpartition.bin file is? |
| 01:30:03 | stripwax | anyway, outta here. see you soon |
| 01:30:04 | linuxstb | Yes - irc/current.txt">http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
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| 01:31:01 | BladeSling | The apple_os.bin file is 5,121kb, and the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin is 5,121kb also |
| 01:31:08 | linuxstb | That's the mistake then. |
| 01:31:34 | BladeSling | Alright, so do I have to redo all of it then? |
| 01:32:26 | amiconn | vorbis.codec doesn't like me :( |
| 01:32:26 | linuxstb | Just from step d) onward. Your bootpartition.bin file will be OK. |
| 01:32:37 | amiconn | Another occurence of errno... |
| 01:32:50 | linuxstb | BladeSling: In fact you MUST start at step d), if you repeat the earlier steps, you will be in trouble. |
| 01:33:05 | BladeSling | Alright, thank you very much. |
| 01:33:40 | linuxstb | My apple_os.bin file is 5879344 bytes, and the other one is 5243392 bytes. |
| 01:34:37 | linuxstb | Make sure you use "-e 0" for apple_os.bin, and "-e 1" for the other file. |
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| 01:41:02 | linuxstb | amiconn: From what I can see, it will be safe to just remove the references to errno in Tremor. The read function isn't mapped to any real file I/O - it's the rb->read_filebuf() function. |
| 01:41:32 | * | BladeSling waits for it to load.. |
| 01:41:39 | BladeSling | Yay ^_^ Thanks Linuxstb :D |
| 01:42:03 | linuxstb | np |
| 01:42:43 | DirkG | I have a quick question. |
| 01:42:49 | DirkG | Oh, Hi everyone <g> |
| 01:42:57 | BladeSling | Hmm wee, this is kewlies.. I was going to install ipodLinux for IDoom but I see a lot of activity here and installing IpodLinux on 5g is like uber hard lol |
| 01:43:21 | DirkG | I just threw the latest build on my FM Recorder, and noticed a "clipping light" feature in the recording screen |
| 01:43:34 | linuxstb | BladeSling: Doom is working in Rockbox now - with sound (but no music). But it's not yet in the official build. |
| 01:44:44 | BladeSling | I'm afraid to rebuild anything lol, I might break it. |
| 01:45:24 | kkurbjun | linuxstb: yes, I have a version of doom for the ipod that "should" fit in the plugin buffer.. it has some problems with the stack though |
| 01:45:26 | BladeSling | Alright, not anything I program, but OS's lol.. |
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| 01:46:02 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: You seem to have too many versions of doom now :) I |
| 01:46:20 | linuxstb | Does the stack problem only happen with that one wad you mentioned? |
| 01:46:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: vorbis.c actually defines errno. |
| 01:46:47 | amiconn | Compiling without it works on linux, but not on cygwin |
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| 01:46:58 | linuxstb | It does? That's very odd. |
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| 01:47:09 | amiconn | .../rb-patched/apps/codecs/Tremor/vorbisfile.c:64: undefined reference to `_errno' |
| 01:47:15 | amiconn | when trying to link |
| 01:47:19 | kkurbjun | yeah, well, alot of mods don't work right either, but the basic doom 1, 2, ultimate, and plutonia work fine as far as I've tested |
| 01:47:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes - that's the occurrance that should be fine to just delete. |
| 01:47:58 | kkurbjun | it's a heavily modified renderer from prboom |
| 01:48:32 | kkurbjun | it has fixes for old doom bugs and limitations along with some nice graphic features like translucent sprites |
| 01:48:35 | SuperSnout | kkurbjun: about the controls that are in the new version of rockdoom.. |
| 01:48:52 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: How close are you to having something suitable for CVS? |
| 01:49:16 | linuxstb | It sounds like you've broken it... |
| 01:49:20 | SuperSnout | kkurbjun: wouldn't having to hold down on to stafe be bad because you don't have any fingers left to shoot? which is what you'd want to do when strafing.. |
| 01:49:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: Then I have to delete both (of course) |
| 01:49:29 | amiconn | The definition and the references |
| 01:49:29 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, if I can figure out what's causing the stack overflows very close |
| 01:49:44 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I think that's what's the problem with the mods as well |
| 01:49:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I can't see any way that errno can ever not be zero. |
| 01:50:21 | kkurbjun | because some code that I've been testing will always overflow the stack, but sometimes rockbox won't panic before it freezes |
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| 01:50:57 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I've gotten closer to eliminating the stack problems, but it still needs work |
| 01:51:08 | amiconn | kkurbjun: That may happen if the stack overflow already makes it crash before the thread scheduler gets a chance to detect it |
| 01:51:25 | amiconn | Detect and the display even |
| 01:51:28 | amiconn | *then |
| 01:52:22 | kkurbjun | SuperSnout, yes, that is a problem, before I release a new version i will "probably" have a key configuration, honestly, the keys are not really a concern for me as I already have what I want implemented |
| 01:52:34 | kkurbjun | amiconn: I see |
| 01:52:51 | kkurbjun | hopefully i can fix the stack problem with this new code though |
| 01:53:01 | kkurbjun | it's much smaller on the plugin buffer |
| 01:53:54 | SuperSnout | kkurbjun: ok.. fair enough.. all will be ok if key configuration get's sorted out.. then everyone will be happy =) |
| 01:54:23 | kkurbjun | SuperSnout, I agree, it's the only way to keep everyone happy |
| 01:54:57 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, would you mind testing the version I have to see if it does actually fit in the ipod's plugin buffer? |
| 01:55:03 | linuxstb | Sure. |
| 01:55:12 | SuperSnout | kkurbjun: so would it be somehow done by.. when you change a control.. it actually changes the rockbox source? |
| 01:55:26 | kkurbjun | kkurbjun/doomsrctest.zip">http://alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/doomsrctest.zip |
| 01:55:43 | linuxstb | Does that include my fix for the 5g's display? |
| 01:56:18 | kkurbjun | SuperSnout, it just has to change the variables defined in m_misc.c, I have a way planned out to do it, but I want to fix the bugs I have in this current version. |
| 01:56:25 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I think so |
| 01:56:26 | midkay | linuxstb, what fix? |
| 01:56:47 | SuperSnout | kkurbjun: can't wait =) |
| 01:57:11 | linuxstb | midkay: Some code from iDoom to make Rockdoom work correctly on the 5g's 320x240 LCD. |
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| 01:57:46 | midkay | linuxstb, must not be too recent then?.. runs fine on my 5g from a few-days-ago build... or is it something else? |
| 01:58:12 | linuxstb | Yes, it was a week or so ago I think. |
| 01:58:27 | linuxstb | And yes, I've just checked, and it's there. |
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| 01:58:48 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, let me know what you think of the new renderer, It is very different from the old version. |
| 01:59:09 | virtualball2 | is Chip8 in beta? |
| 01:59:20 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Does rockdoom compile for the sim? |
| 01:59:49 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I don't know, I was never able to compile a sim. Did you fix the errno problems? |
| 01:59:57 | amiconn | One last problem left |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:05 | amiconn | I'm about to commit the fix |
| 02:00:15 | amiconn | Just making sure it still works ok |
| 02:00:28 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I'm getting lots of warnings like "m_fixed.h:47: warning: 'FixedMul' defined but not used |
| 02:00:28 | linuxstb | " |
| 02:00:40 | kkurbjun | amiconn, that would be great, it'd make my life alot easier |
| 02:01:06 | virtualball2 | oh kkurbjun, thanks for ockdoom, very fun on the iPod |
| 02:01:09 | amiconn | hwcodec sims should work already |
| 02:01:22 | amiconn | the remaining pb is in vorbis.codec |
| 02:01:23 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, yes, I know I was seeing what the effect of taking out inlining on the mulpiplication code was on the stack (not very noticable), it's added back in on my copy |
| 02:01:37 | kkurbjun | virtualball2, I'm glad you like it |
| 02:01:43 | virtualball2 | if you ever need screenshots from a 5G iPod, ask me lol |
| 02:02:23 | kkurbjun | will do |
| 02:02:27 | kkurbjun | : ) |
| 02:03:04 | virtualball2 | cool |
| 02:03:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: I deleted all references to errno in vorbis.c and Tremor/vorbisfile.c and it seems to be working fine. |
| 02:03:58 | amiconn | bleh :/ |
| 02:04:08 | amiconn | I can't test that fast, this is unfair ;) |
| 02:04:19 | amiconn | cygwin, you know... |
| 02:04:51 | amiconn | Ok, working here as well |
| 02:06:06 | linuxstb | I've been listening to it for about five minutes.... |
| 02:06:20 | virtualball2 | ok i feel like buckeling down and looking at the code to the periodic table lol |
| 02:08:16 | virtualball2 | what should i change, the buttons and the way it rights to the screen? |
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| 02:09:08 | linuxstb | Yes. Plus any standard functions (such as strcpy, snprintf etc) need to be prefixed with "rb->" to use the Rockbox plugin api. |
| 02:09:32 | virtualball2 | ok ill _try_ lol |
| 02:09:58 | linuxstb | Just look at some of the other plugins - starting with helloworld.c. |
| 02:10:13 | linuxstb | Hopefully they will make sense to you. |
| 02:10:29 | kkurbjun | virtualball2, if you look at rockmacros.h in doom or rockboy it has warppers to take care of most of those functions |
| 02:10:41 | kkurbjun | wrappers that is |
| 02:10:51 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I had some errors about variables being declared non-static and then defined as static (in r_segs.c), but after fixing those, it compiled OK. |
| 02:11:23 | kkurbjun | hmm, I don't have those for some reason |
| 02:11:32 | kkurbjun | I guess different gcc |
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| 02:12:20 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Have you changed the location it looks for the wads? |
| 02:12:30 | kkurbjun | oh |
| 02:12:41 | kkurbjun | forgot, you need prboom.wad now too |
| 02:12:53 | kkurbjun | it has the palette translations that it uses |
| 02:13:04 | kkurbjun | one second, I'll give you a link |
| 02:13:33 | linuxstb | And the wads should be in /games/doom/ ? |
| 02:13:55 | kkurbjun | yes, addons go in /games/doom/addons/ |
| 02:14:03 | kkurbjun | pbroom.wad goes in /games/doom |
| 02:14:10 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 02:14:43 | kkurbjun | I'm converting the code to use a macro so that can be easily changed if it should be moved to something like /.rockbox/doom/ |
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| 02:15:24 | kkurbjun | http://mines.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37901466 |
| 02:15:28 | kkurbjun | oops |
| 02:15:29 | kkurbjun | haha |
| 02:15:33 | kkurbjun | alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/prboom.wad |
| 02:16:26 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Try to build a sim no after cvs up ... :) |
| 02:16:32 | amiconn | s/no/now/ |
| 02:17:19 | kkurbjun | amiconn, will do |
| 02:17:35 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Another data abort... |
| 02:17:39 | virtualball2 | what is enum? |
| 02:18:06 | kkurbjun | oh, this new version uses a different memory allocator |
| 02:18:10 | linuxstb | In R_InitTextures... |
| 02:18:13 | amiconn | Why oh why is scp so slow.... |
| 02:18:23 | kkurbjun | I have everything using doom's memory allocator |
| 02:18:35 | kkurbjun | I thought it took care of alignment |
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| 02:19:20 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, the code is in z_zone.c |
| 02:19:48 | amiconn | Ok, playback does not yet work on amd64. Small wonder with all the datatype warnings in the playback code... |
| 02:19:57 | kkurbjun | could you look at it? I'm afraid I don't understand the alignment stuff |
| 02:20:08 | virtualball2 | wait the periodic table wont work for Rockbox, at least not this code, it uses textview.c to view the text from the file |
| 02:20:43 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, the reason I went to use all doom's allocator is because it implements a proper free |
| 02:20:56 | kkurbjun | so the memory should not be wasted as much anymore |
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| 02:21:18 | kkurbjun | actually, it's prbooms/booms allocator which went through a large overhaul |
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| 02:25:19 | jackinabox^ | hi all |
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| 02:27:47 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: The new malloc would appear to be fine - it's rounding up the allocated size to a multiple of 16 bytes. So there must be other problems. |
| 02:29:14 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, that's strange, the code is in close to the same as prboom's implemetation and I know they took care for the arm processor |
| 02:29:44 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, do you know where in r_inittextures is causing the problem |
| 02:29:59 | linuxstb | No, I'm trying to find that now. |
| 02:30:59 | kkurbjun | amiconn: I'm getting a bunch of i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: warning: creating a DT_TEXTREL in object in the compile, but it seems to be working, that may be becasue of two patches I have in the code |
| 02:31:23 | kkurbjun | doom doesn't compile for the sim aparantly |
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| 02:32:52 | kkurbjun | amiconn: wow, it works |
| 02:33:00 | kkurbjun | amiconn, great, that's awesome |
| 02:33:17 | kkurbjun | now I just need to figure out how to actually use the sim |
| 02:34:21 | kkurbjun | amiconn: yeah it works great |
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| 02:36:02 | kkurbjun | hmm, I got *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7e39878 *** |
| 02:37:53 | kkurbjun | is there a timer register in the sim? |
| 02:40:14 | amiconn | current_tick is simulatred |
| 02:42:14 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: There seem to be various problems in R_InitTextures. I'm too tired to look at it now though. |
| 02:42:31 | linuxstb | (I preferred the simplicity of the original Doom.....) |
| 02:44:23 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, yes, the original doom was nice, but I'm trying to eventually get a version that will run as many mods as possible |
| 02:44:48 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I may scrap that though if this newer version is too much of a hassle |
| 02:45:02 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, thanks for looking at it though |
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| 02:48:36 | Zoide777 | hi |
| 02:49:10 | Zoide777 | once I extract the kkurbjun's doom source into /apps/plugins/doom, how do I get make to compile it ? |
| 02:49:34 | midkay | did you patch the source? |
| 02:49:52 | Zoide777 | I just extracted the "doom" folder to /apps/plugins |
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| 02:50:04 | midkay | need to patch, then... |
| 02:50:17 | midkay | it's on the patch tracker, the diff |
| 02:50:26 | Zoide777 | ok, thanks |
| 02:51:13 | Zoide777 | btw is the feb. 23 .diff on flyspray the latest? |
| 02:51:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the latest one that works, I would imagine. |
| 02:52:26 | linuxstb | Zoide777: Did you download the source from the patch tracker, or the source kkurbjun just gave to me for testing? |
| 02:53:18 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: the one he just gave you |
| 02:53:27 | Zoide777 | btw I just got a Makefile.rej (reject) |
| 02:53:38 | kkurbjun | Zoide777, that is a test version that is not stable |
| 02:53:40 | Zoide777 | it has lines where it checks for specific iRiver & iPods |
| 02:53:55 | Zoide777 | I know mine is just the grayscale 4g, but i just wanted to see what would happen |
| 02:54:05 | Zoide777 | I guess i just add the line manually then |
| 02:54:16 | Zoide777 | linuxstb, kkurbjun: ok, i'll try the source on flyspray |
| 02:54:26 | kkurbjun | Zoide777, It doesn't work for non-color targets |
| 02:54:35 | kkurbjun | not yet anyway |
| 02:55:29 | Zoide777 | ok, i won't even try then :P |
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| 03:02:21 | Zoide777 | very strange: If I have my iPod 4G grayscale plugged into the power supply (just to the wall, not usb), it will eventually try to shut itself off, but as soon as it does that it reboots back up. same thing happens if I manually try to turn it off by keeping Play pressed (it boots back up) |
| 03:03:05 | Zoide777 | (it has been doing that w/ the latest cvs builds for several days) |
| 03:04:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that's because right now power will trigger "usb detected" and boot. |
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| 03:07:34 | linuxstb | Zoide7777: Have you tried holding MENU when you insert the USB cable? |
| 03:07:47 | linuxstb | (but yes, that's a bug - I'm just trying to offer you a workadound) |
| 03:07:56 | linuxstb | ^workaround |
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| 03:09:25 | linuxstb | goodnight all. |
| 03:09:42 | SuperSnout | g'night |
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| 03:10:35 | kkurbjun | night |
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| 03:14:09 | Zoide7777 | linuxstb: thanks, but i mean it happens even if i don't plug in the usb |
| 03:14:16 | Zoide7777 | well, goodnight linuxstb |
| 03:14:23 | Zoide7777 | it's not a big deal |
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| 03:19:13 | kkurbjun | how does sim->open work? |
| 03:19:27 | SuperSnout | *yawn* |
| 03:19:27 | kkurbjun | it's not finding any of the files I had in archos |
| 03:19:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:20:29 | kkurbjun | addressing them like /games/doom/doom.wad |
| 03:21:07 | SuperSnout | goodnight everyone |
| 03:21:24 | kkurbjun | night |
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| 04:20:07 | infamis | asdf |
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| 04:20:31 | BladeSling2 | Hmm, ya its not so busy in here lol |
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| 04:21:05 | midkay | join in the four-letter frenzy!! |
| 04:21:09 | midkay | qwer |
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| 04:21:46 | infamis | listroom |
| 04:21:59 | * | midkay waves |
| 04:21:59 | BHSPitLappy | umm |
| 04:22:11 | * | BHSPitLappy pretends not to notice |
| 04:22:16 | BladeSling2 | lol |
| 04:22:26 | infamis | damn linux irc client |
| 04:22:33 | infamis | on tty |
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| 04:23:00 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, stifle the urge to correct.. |
| 04:23:03 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:23:32 | infamis | to correct....me? :) |
| 04:24:07 | midkay | of course. surely something could have been improved about your syntax.. and even if not, BHSPitLappy could have come up with something. :) |
| 04:24:38 | * | BHSPitLappy corrects midkay with a tire iron |
| 04:24:57 | midkay | corrects what exactly? be specific! |
| 04:25:25 | infamis | what...cause I said "on titty"? |
| 04:25:38 | * | midkay blinks |
| 04:25:48 | infamis | or is it teletype |
| 04:25:49 | midkay | oh. i see. i get it! ha. :) |
| 04:26:32 | infamis | yea I only have 8 titties |
| 04:26:42 | * | infamis stops infamis from fallin on the floor |
| 04:26:51 | BHSPitLappy | titty 7 is the pretty one, though |
| 04:26:55 | BHSPitLappy | I look at it the most. |
| 04:27:13 | BHSPitLappy | though the others can be useful, too |
| 04:27:21 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, EEEEEEEWWWWW1!!!!!!!! you said you look at it. that's dis-GUS-ting. omfg. wow. |
| 04:27:23 | infamis | every titty has a purpose |
| 04:27:25 | * | BHSPitLappy kills infamis for starting this |
| 04:27:40 | * | infamis dies |
| 04:27:47 | * | infamis comes back |
| 04:27:59 | * | BHSPitLappy remembers why midkay used to be on his ignore list, and considers re-adding him |
| 04:28:31 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, feel free, if it makes you think you seem cooler or something - you definitely need it. |
| 04:28:58 | BHSPitLappy | it makes me feel saner |
| 04:29:19 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, not as good, but whatever _floats_ your __BOAT__. |
| 04:29:28 | midkay | da-dum tsssssh, |
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| 04:29:41 | jaebird | Hey...I just got the bleeding 4g build...the lcd looks better, is if fixed? |
| 04:29:43 | * | BHSPitLappy blinks |
| 04:29:52 | midkay | haha. how original. |
| 04:30:01 | midkay | jaebird, i haven't seen anything about that, no.. |
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| 04:30:21 | Aditya | hola |
| 04:30:28 | midkay | yo. |
| 04:30:32 | jaebird | well somebody must have worked on something, because all the little 'hanging chads' are gone |
| 04:30:33 | Aditya | sup guys |
| 04:30:43 | midkay | jaebird, hm, perhaps they did :) |
| 04:30:52 | BHSPitLappy | anyone know if the 3G works, then? |
| 04:31:15 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, i've seen various commits for it recently.. i'm pretty sure it's at least barely working by now.. |
| 04:31:25 | midkay | inital audio support a while ago, so it must be running.. :) |
| 04:31:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | initial ATTEMPT at audio support |
| 04:31:47 | midkay | yes. |
| 04:31:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall it didn't actually work |
| 04:31:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which makes that a very important extra word. :-P |
| 04:32:02 | midkay | you can't attempt audio without, for example, having rockbox running, can you? :) |
| 04:32:54 | jaebird | wow...i've been just happy listening, now i can see it :) |
| 04:33:21 | Aditya | omg |
| 04:33:23 | Aditya | traitors! |
| 04:33:26 | Aditya | making stuff for appe! |
| 04:33:32 | Aditya | apple even |
| 04:33:51 | Shadowarrior13 | <3 apple |
| 04:33:53 | Shadowarrior13 | Again |
| 04:33:58 | midkay | >3 apple. :( |
| 04:34:07 | Hideo | there's no working bootloader for the 3G yet, is there? |
| 04:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hideo: There is but you have to compile it yourself. |
| 04:34:25 | Aditya | what the hell is >3? |
| 04:34:32 | Aditya | its like sticking something into someone's ass? |
| 04:34:37 | BladeSling2 | A funky mushroom |
| 04:34:41 | Hideo | Paul_The_Nerd: ah I see |
| 04:34:45 | midkay | Aditya, i'd say that if <3 == heart then >3 is kind of the opposite? no? :( |
| 04:34:47 | jaebird | Hideo: don't know the status of the 3g, sorry |
| 04:35:00 | Aditya | midkay: ah .. lol |
| 04:35:10 | midkay | Aditya, you're just awful - stop it. :( |
| 04:35:17 | Aditya | pssh |
| 04:35:50 | Hideo | my bro owns an ipod 3g, I just wanna show him the magic that is Rockbox :P |
| 04:36:10 | * | Aditya hands Hideo a baseball bat |
| 04:36:11 | Aditya | there |
| 04:36:13 | Aditya | that will help |
| 04:36:23 | * | BHSPitLappy strangles his brother |
| 04:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hideo: Well, I believe you can run Rockbox, but that playback isn't functional yet. So it'd be like "Look, there are a few plugins. See the bouncing logo?" :-P |
| 04:36:39 | Hideo | heheh |
| 04:36:51 | Aditya | Hideo: how old is your bro? |
| 04:37:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: a _few_? you bastard.. ;) |
| 04:37:02 | Hideo | ~20 ish |
| 04:37:05 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks once Doom is working on Rockbox, someone should have a go at the GPL'ed Quake1 sources. |
| 04:37:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'm not sure how many are functional on 3G though |
| 04:37:34 | Aditya | I be working on learning the ins and out of rockbox |
| 04:37:41 | Aditya | and then going to make it work with a touchscreen |
| 04:37:43 | Aditya | somehow |
| 04:37:55 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i doubt any have been adapted specifically - all that run on the 4g should work, though, or at least with a single define change.. |
| 04:38:02 | * | Hideo thinks fps games are way over kill on DAP's |
| 04:38:29 | Aditya | say that to the bum stuck on a train for 2 hours both ways to university |
| 04:38:31 | Aditya | (read: me) |
| 04:38:42 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:38:50 | midkay | that'd pwn.. |
| 04:39:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah. I was really thinking in the "Just type the appropriate number for 3G in configure and go" sense, which really would still compile most of the plugins, since the majority are LCD_BITMAP |
| 04:39:06 | Hideo | does your battery even last that long if you play doom continuously? |
| 04:39:21 | Aditya | dude |
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| 04:39:26 | Aditya | you are missing the point here |
| 04:39:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right, except that i think you'd have a keymap problem - keypad != IPOD_4G_PAD on the 3g, since it has the buttons in a row. |
| 04:39:43 | Aditya | when people run 10 year old games on an Mp3 Player with a 2.5" screen.. |
| 04:39:49 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, mind you, it's the same number of buttons.. i just don't think it would work by default. |
| 04:39:50 | Aditya | they are not really looking at making it mainstream |
| 04:39:53 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 04:39:53 | Aditya | its just cause we can |
| 04:39:56 | midkay | they probably have an ipod_3g_pad define.. |
| 04:39:58 | Hideo | they're l33t, lol |
| 04:40:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | y'know, since music decodes fullspeed with one core awake... and doom runs fullspeed without music playing... and the nano doesn't really *need* a compressed audio buffer... |
| 04:40:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the other core were awake on the Nano, couldn't doom run *while* decoding audio? |
| 04:40:33 | Shadowarrior13 | That would kick ass |
| 04:40:36 | Hideo | that'd be sweet |
| 04:41:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming the threads were handled in an appropriate way and everything. |
| 04:41:07 | Aditya | anyone here know any resources for carbon fiber moulds? |
| 04:41:11 | Aditya | molds rather |
| 04:41:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I think right now the 3G may be using 4G_PAD. I'm not sure. |
| 04:42:20 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i wouldn't care - i just think they'll have a seperate define since for example some games wouldn't work as well with the 4g_pad setup - for most plugins it'd be fine though :) |
| 04:43:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I recall a discussion that went something like "Well, all the iPods have the same buttons, in the end. They're just not always positioned the same. So, what do we do?" but I don't remember the final conclusion. |
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| 04:43:47 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, aha :) i'd bet on seperate definitions anyways |
| 04:44:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seems like the 3G at least should have 'em. |
| 04:44:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall, 1 and 2 have the buttons in roughly the same place as 4. |
| 04:44:23 | midkay | yeah - the other models i dunno about - it's effectively the same.. |
| 04:44:29 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, exactly.. |
| 04:44:38 | midkay | just.. a bit further out to the side + not integrated into the touch wheel |
| 04:44:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 04:44:53 | BladeSling2 | 5g is teh roxors.. Mmm 5g... |
| 04:45:12 | Shadowarrior13 | Yummy 5G. |
| 04:45:23 | BladeSling2 | I wish the ipod needed more buttons lol |
| 04:45:54 | midkay | -needed+had? :) |
| 04:46:17 | BladeSling2 | Had I suppose.. but if I needed more buttons it would have more buttons ;) |
| 04:46:49 | midkay | BladeSling2, i don't think Apple considered Rockbox before designing any of their players.. if they had, i'm sure we'd have a few more buttons ;) |
| 04:46:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno, I think the simplicity of the ipod's controls are kinda nice. |
| 04:46:59 | Aditya | meh |
| 04:47:05 | Aditya | simplicity is very subjective |
| 04:47:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, agreed - slightly lacking for, say, doom, though |
| 04:47:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, the only place it feels lacking within Rockbox is in Doom. |
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| 04:47:16 | Aditya | I like my iRiver buttons |
| 04:47:26 | Aditya | context actions make more sense to me |
| 04:47:44 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i really like the touch wheel - adds a bit of human into navigation (scroll as fast as you want, not just "scrolling" or "not scrolling") - but.. hmm.. |
| 04:47:54 | BladeSling | Ehh, the emulators or lacking too.. |
| 04:48:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Also, with the "absolute positioning" patch, you could divide the touch-wheel into 8 virtual buttons rather easily |
| 04:48:18 | Aditya | oooh |
| 04:48:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, right - just what we need for doom, i say. :) |
| 04:48:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aditya: Context actions? |
| 04:48:21 | Aditya | CS on an ipod? =P |
| 04:48:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: That's kinda what I thought. |
| 04:48:38 | Aditya | Paul_The_Nerd: as in buttons do things bsed on the context |
| 04:48:45 | BladeSling | I saw a patch for the nano that it knows when your touching the scroll.. Hmm, that should be put into doom for 5g or something :D |
| 04:48:48 | midkay | diagonals up/right, up/left, down/right and down/left for example would mean a really nice 4 extra 'buttons'.. perfect, actually |
| 04:48:48 | Aditya | like in filetree the NAVI does something |
| 04:48:57 | Aditya | but in the main screen NAVI does somehting else |
| 04:48:58 | Aditya | etc |
| 04:49:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Adity: No different than iPod on Rockbox. |
| 04:49:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aditya: The select button is *essentially* the same as Navi |
| 04:50:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: You'd probably lose menu, play, left, and right though, since at that point just placing your finger on the wheel at those locations would be read as its own action. Though I guess, putting your finger on up would move up, and pushing Menu would run. Down could move down, and pushing down could change weapons, or open doors (you'd only move very slightly backward if you did it fast) |
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| 04:52:06 | BladeSling | lol, moving back when opening doors is good anywho :D |
| 04:52:28 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yes, that could work too - i can't quite imagine how it'd work, but mapping some oft-useless buttons to diagonals wouldn't hinder gameplay much at all, as i see it :) |
| 04:52:35 | BladeSling | Just opening the door before you are to far back would be a problem |
| 04:53:24 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, perhaps the patch allows you to define also only to perform such a function when the area isn't being held on or when you pass over it with your finger, just when you tap + release.. |
| 04:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, I *think* the patch just returns a location on the wheel, as opposed to the current method which returns if the wheel is scrolling left or right. |
| 04:54:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: In which case it'd be up to the plugin author to decide how those location readings would be interpreted. |
| 04:54:35 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, maybe they can be combined to say "if so-and-so is returned and you're not scrolling".. |
| 04:55:01 | midkay | and/or "if so and so is returned but not more than once".. or however fast it reads input |
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| 04:55:09 | midkay | in any case - i think it could be fit to doom very nicely :) |
| 04:55:11 | midkay | with a bit of tweaking |
| 04:56:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Definitely |
| 04:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd also mean that Rockboy would become much more playable |
| 04:56:58 | Aditya | rockboy? |
| 04:57:06 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, yes, that'd be a dream.. :) |
| 04:57:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aditya: GB/GBC emulator. |
| 04:57:56 | BladeSling | Question: Do the themes only aply when your in the music playing console? |
| 04:58:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The WPS portion only affects the While Playing Screen obviously |
| 04:58:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | But fonts and backdrops can affect the menus. |
| 04:58:45 | jaebird | Paul_The_Nerd: do you know who has been working on the 4g grayscale lcd stuff? |
| 04:59:03 | BladeSling | Ahh, wps.. didn't get the acronym, thanks :D |
| 04:59:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | jaebird: I haven't heard the 4G grayscale stuff mentioned in a few days, sorry. Don't really know what got changed to fix it. |
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| 05:00:05 | jaebird | There are only a few issues left that i have found. The top line of the file list scrolling only scrolls the top half of the line. |
| 05:00:29 | jaebird | the bottom sometimes leaves artifacts from previous screens. |
| 05:00:45 | jaebird | ie the version of rockbox stays after the initial splash screen is shown. |
| 05:01:12 | jaebird | other than that i see none of the problems that i've gotten used to. |
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| 05:10:20 | BladeSling | Hmm, are these wps's suppose to topple on top of each other? lol |
| 05:10:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | If one sets a background image, and another doesn't, the background may get left behind. |
| 05:11:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe backdrops are properly reset when switching to WPSes without one yet. |
| 05:11:46 | BladeSling | Hmm, funky.. Ya, I'm finding plenty of bugs.. eeep... I think this bg is making the song skip lol |
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| 05:13:29 | BladeSling | Hmm like it doesn't save my backdrop when I go into the wpl and then come out my backdrop is not there on the main menu anymore |
| 05:13:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is the backdrop in /.rockbox/backdrops/ |
| 05:14:39 | BladeSling | Yes. I load a theme or whatever and then it works fine, then I go to the wpl and its gone when I go back to the menu |
| 05:15:01 | BladeSling | Ohh I can turn up the anti skip buffer, kewlies ^_^ lol |
| 05:15:18 | BladeSling | Lets see how well 1 minute does. |
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| 05:32:44 | midkay | BladeSling, don't raise it higher than you need it.. |
| 05:33:00 | BladeSling | midkay, what do you mean? |
| 05:33:02 | midkay | and, BladeSling - reboot the ipod to get the backdrop to 'stay'. |
| 05:33:10 | midkay | BladeSling, higher value = higher battery usage.. |
| 05:33:20 | BladeSling | Ahh, Ok :D it doesn't really work anywho... |
| 05:33:51 | midkay | 'work'? |
| 05:34:22 | BladeSling | Correct, it still skips... I turned it to ten minutes for testing... should I reboot it for that to kick full in too? |
| 05:34:47 | midkay | "skips"? |
| 05:35:04 | BladeSling | The song will stop playing momentairily and start playing again. |
| 05:35:12 | BladeSling | This is probly because of the theme... |
| 05:35:13 | midkay | that's because you have EQ on with an mp3. |
| 05:35:20 | midkay | it's lack of optimization in the mp3 codec, that |
| 05:35:22 | midkay | that's all.. |
| 05:35:26 | midkay | or perhaps an ogg.. |
| 05:35:37 | midkay | turn off the EQ for mp3's.. that's not what the antiskip buffer is for. |
| 05:35:48 | BladeSling | Its an mp3, I don't think I turned on the EQ, I'll make sure its off. |
| 05:36:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | The EQ, Replaygain, Crossfeed, and WPSes that use BMPS can all affect CPU use alongside |
| 05:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And on iPod MP3 is definitely one of the slower codecs. |
| 05:36:39 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, it doesn't seem to be a cpu error. everything runs fine w/o EQ for me, right when i turn it on it skips like hell. |
| 05:36:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I can listen to some of my oggs with EQ. |
| 05:37:10 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ogg != mp3. :) |
| 05:37:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:37:16 | BladeSling | Meh, I wasn't planing on using it for mp3 usage anywho, I just wanted it for all the applications |
| 05:37:18 | midkay | FLAC runs _perfect_ with EQ.. |
| 05:37:22 | midkay | as does whatever AAC works for me.. |
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| 05:37:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC also doesn't require *any* boost |
| 05:37:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC is so incredibly efficient. |
| 05:37:34 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right, so it's the mp3 codec afaict. |
| 05:37:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:37:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's that it needs optimizing |
| 05:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | High enough bitrate oggs get the same thing |
| 05:37:57 | BladeSling | Hmm, how do I set just a backdrop? |
| 05:38:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right, so it's codec-related.. |
| 05:38:29 | midkay | BladeSling, a cfg file.. |
| 05:38:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's optimization related. |
| 05:38:42 | BladeSling | Spanx, I'll read into it :D |
| 05:38:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Optimizations elsewhere could also solve the problem potentially |
| 05:38:48 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, codec-optimization-related. :) |
| 05:39:02 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, possibly.. |
| 05:39:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or offloading playback to the cop at some future point. |
| 05:39:30 | midkay | cop? |
| 05:39:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | co-processor |
| 05:39:48 | midkay | ah. sure.. |
| 05:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | But yeah, MP3 needs some work for sure |
| 05:42:59 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what he should set the anti-skip buffer back on Nano. |
| 05:43:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | s/back/at |
| 05:43:17 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, hm, as low as it goes? ;) |
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| 05:44:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really it shouldn't matter on Nano should it? Since there's no spin up. |
| 05:44:55 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right |
| 05:45:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why they put 32mb of ram in it. |
| 05:45:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would've imagined they'd save the money. |
| 05:45:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait. |
| 05:45:54 | midkay | what? |
| 05:45:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slideshow and other stuff |
| 05:46:14 | midkay | 32mb, really? |
| 05:46:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | All the other iPod "features" |
| 05:46:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, the Nano has basically everything the iPod Photo has. |
| 05:46:59 | midkay | wow |
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| 05:48:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:48:24 | BladeSling | Gah, the ipod nano's bother me.. to small of screens |
| 05:48:40 | midkay | BladeSling, it's a small flash player.. |
| 05:48:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | BladeSling: It's got more pixels than my previous MP3 player had. |
| 05:48:42 | midkay | not a huge video player.. |
| 05:49:18 | BladeSling | Hehe, ya, I use to have a minidisk player, worked wonders, now I'm with the 5g ^_^ |
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| 05:51:04 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't even look at the screen often. |
| 05:52:33 | BladeSling | lol, I'm constantly looking at mine.. People are like WOAH, watcha got on that!? lol.. then I'm forced to show them |
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| 05:59:51 | BladeSling | Ohh man, anyone want a good laugh? http://gprime.net/video.php/keepingemergencyroomsinbusiness way off topic but that was some good laughin. |
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| 06:07:49 | DrumRBoy320 | hmmmmmmm, an someone tell me where the color information is stored for the ipod rockbox? |
| 06:08:00 | DrumRBoy320 | i amde it all black :'( |
| 06:11:35 | DrumRBoy320 | c'mon, an someone tell me? |
| 06:11:38 | DrumRBoy320 | please? |
| 06:11:44 | DrumRBoy320 | :'( |
| 06:13:01 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, nice job.. :) |
| 06:13:11 | midkay | i have an awful feeling we'll be getting a lot of this in the near future.. |
| 06:13:40 | midkay | i'm not sure how to reset it.. |
| 06:14:07 | midkay | you'd need a new CFG file that reset them to default. |
| 06:14:15 | DrumRBoy320 | hehe, well i deleted my .rockbox folders and im downloading a new build |
| 06:14:24 | midkay | that may not work, but good luck |
| 06:14:29 | DrumRBoy320 | :) |
| 06:15:00 | DrumRBoy320 | ill need it... cause on the h300 its not so bad... you can say 3 clicks down, one up... i could do it by mem. but on the ipod... |
| 06:15:00 | DrumRBoy320 | :( |
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| 06:15:58 | Aditya | omg |
| 06:16:02 | Aditya | its linuxstb's clone |
| 06:16:23 | DrumRBoy320 | does the playing bar patch come in the bleeding edge build? |
| 06:16:33 | DrumRBoy320 | the BMP bar? |
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| 06:17:00 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, it's been in for.. weeks, afaik. |
| 06:17:17 | Aditya | meh off to bed |
| 06:17:22 | Aditya | gnight y'all |
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| 06:17:29 | DrumRBoy320 | ah, ok... then, how do you use it.. ive tried so many things |
| 06:17:35 | DrumRBoy320 | and nothing wants to work |
| 06:17:51 | midkay | what's the problem? check the CustomWPS wiki page of course |
| 06:17:59 | midkay | night Aditya |
| 06:18:11 | DrumRBoy320 | im on there now, found no playing bar information |
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| 06:18:51 | midkay | by god.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 06:18:54 | midkay | click "images". |
| 06:19:01 | DrumRBoy320 | ok |
| 06:19:12 | DrumRBoy320 | ah |
| 06:19:22 | DrumRBoy320 | ;) hehe, missed that one lil line |
| 06:19:28 | * | DrumRBoy320 feels stupid |
| 06:19:42 | DrumRBoy320 | ive already done that actually... then i made my screen go black |
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| 06:19:54 | midkay | haha |
| 06:20:36 | DrumRBoy320 | wps: /.rockbox/wps/ipodblack.wps |
| 06:20:36 | DrumRBoy320 | font: /.rockbox/fonts/helvB12-L1.fnt |
| 06:20:36 | DrumRBoy320 | foreground: FFFFFF |
| 06:20:37 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DrumRBoy320 |
| 06:20:37 | DrumRBoy320 | background: 000000 |
| 06:20:42 | DrumRBoy320 | whoops |
| 06:20:47 | DrumRBoy320 | lol, thats my .cfg |
| 06:20:53 | DrumRBoy320 | i didnt mean to paste it... |
| 06:21:04 | midkay | haha |
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| 06:21:26 | DrumRBoy320 | the moment of truth... can i get color back? |
| 06:21:42 | nave7693 | hi can anyone tell me which fonts are unicode-compatible? |
| 06:22:02 | midkay | xtal-14, rockbox-default, snap.. |
| 06:22:03 | DrumRBoy320 | unifont |
| 06:22:05 | midkay | can't remember, hmm |
| 06:22:13 | midkay | rockbox-default i'm not positive about |
| 06:22:16 | DrumRBoy320 | is unifont... the name would fit |
| 06:22:17 | DrumRBoy320 | :) |
| 06:22:21 | midkay | ;) |
| 06:22:23 | DrumRBoy320 | damnit... no good... |
| 06:22:28 | DrumRBoy320 | shoot |
| 06:22:32 | nave7693 | unifont is too big for my tiny archos screen |
| 06:22:38 | DrumRBoy320 | where is teh value stored! |
| 06:22:42 | midkay | nave7693, snap then perhaps |
| 06:22:45 | DrumRBoy320 | grr, its small on my iPod |
| 06:22:45 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, ? |
| 06:22:52 | DrumRBoy320 | the color value thingey |
| 06:22:52 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, wait.. |
| 06:22:56 | DrumRBoy320 | i need to change it |
| 06:22:56 | midkay | iriver right? |
| 06:23:00 | DrumRBoy320 | iPod |
| 06:23:01 | DrumRBoy320 | 5g |
| 06:23:04 | DrumRBoy320 | 60 gig |
| 06:23:04 | midkay | ah. |
| 06:23:07 | midkay | nice going. |
| 06:23:13 | DrumRBoy320 | heh, thanks |
| 06:23:20 | DrumRBoy320 | i need to fix it! |
| 06:23:33 | nave7693 | midkay: snap doesn't have international characters |
| 06:23:34 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, i hope you learned your damned-ass lesson!! :) |
| 06:23:44 | midkay | nave7693, you sure? could swear i heard people say it did |
| 06:23:57 | nave7693 | not on mine... |
| 06:24:02 | DrumRBoy320 | i certainly did, now can ya tell me how ta change it! |
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| 06:24:25 | midkay | nave7693, hm. |
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| 06:24:33 | DrumRBoy320 | :'( |
| 06:24:35 | midkay | down the list, i guess :) |
| 06:24:40 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, sigh.. wait.. |
| 06:25:57 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, hmm |
| 06:26:57 | DrumRBoy320 | any luck? |
| 06:27:27 | midkay | sec |
| 06:27:31 | DrumRBoy320 | k |
| 06:27:56 | midkay | in config. |
| 06:28:05 | midkay | "foreground color: xxxxxx" |
| 06:28:08 | midkay | and background |
| 06:28:46 | DrumRBoy320 | ok, lemme reboot to the stock f/w connect and change it |
| 06:28:54 | DrumRBoy320 | where is config though? |
| 06:29:11 | midkay | write a config. |
| 06:29:12 | midkay | blah.cfg |
| 06:29:16 | midkay | and .. ah. hm. |
| 06:29:18 | midkay | :) |
| 06:29:20 | midkay | alright. |
| 06:29:23 | midkay | make a folder. |
| 06:29:25 | midkay | .a |
| 06:29:28 | DrumRBoy320 | ok |
| 06:29:31 | midkay | put a blah.cfg in it |
| 06:29:36 | midkay | so it should be the first thing when you start up |
| 06:29:46 | midkay | just press select and then select again to load, should be |
| 06:29:58 | DrumRBoy320 | cool |
| 06:30:01 | DrumRBoy320 | thats great |
| 06:30:06 | DrumRBoy320 | ok, lemme do that |
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| 06:34:30 | DrumRBoy320 | iit wont lemme make another .anything name |
| 06:34:44 | midkay | ah, right |
| 06:34:48 | midkay | start, run.. "cmd" |
| 06:34:54 | DrumRBoy320 | grr |
| 06:34:56 | DrumRBoy320 | lol |
| 06:35:03 | midkay | wait. |
| 06:35:11 | midkay | just go into .rockbox and make a folder "aaaa" |
| 06:35:13 | midkay | so it comes first |
| 06:35:19 | midkay | then it's just three select presses |
| 06:35:21 | DrumRBoy320 | lol, ill try that |
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| 06:36:01 | DrumRBoy320 | background: FFFFFF |
| 06:36:03 | DrumRBoy320 | ? |
| 06:36:50 | midkay | set them to opposites |
| 06:36:55 | midkay | so either way you'll be able to see |
| 06:37:03 | DrumRBoy320 | is that correct though? |
| 06:37:12 | midkay | yes? |
| 06:37:18 | DrumRBoy320 | ok |
| 06:43:56 | JdGordon | does any1 know if you could jump to a track in the current playlist programmatically? |
| 06:44:13 | DrumRBoy320 | midkay... |
| 06:44:17 | midkay | JdGordon, yes, hold select and go to "playlist" and select a song? |
| 06:44:20 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, ? |
| 06:44:23 | DrumRBoy320 | i need to make a "." folder |
| 06:44:29 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, why? |
| 06:44:41 | DrumRBoy320 | i had it set to display all, and it displays . before a |
| 06:44:49 | DrumRBoy320 | i tried the same thing on the ipod |
| 06:44:57 | midkay | right. so put a aaaaaa folder in .rockbox |
| 06:45:01 | DrumRBoy320 | i think... so might as well, its not working |
| 06:45:02 | midkay | so you go into .rockbox and then into aaaaa |
| 06:45:06 | DrumRBoy320 | hehe |
| 06:45:06 | DrumRBoy320 | ok |
| 06:45:09 | midkay | and then into your cfg file? |
| 06:45:11 | DrumRBoy320 | a-duh |
| 06:45:12 | midkay | that's what i told you.. :) |
| 06:45:18 | DrumRBoy320 | lol :( |
| 06:45:55 | DrumRBoy320 | im too tired |
| 06:46:04 | DrumRBoy320 | almost an hour over when i should be in bed |
| 06:46:06 | DrumRBoy320 | :'( |
| 06:46:16 | DrumRBoy320 | im over-tired at this point |
| 06:46:38 | midkay | haha |
| 06:47:11 | DrumRBoy320 | real funny :'( |
| 06:47:12 | DrumRBoy320 | lol |
| 06:47:50 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:47:52 | DrumRBoy320 | no god |
| 06:47:57 | DrumRBoy320 | good* |
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| 06:48:16 | DrumRBoy320 | i wish i could just know where the file is on my computer |
| 06:48:24 | DrumRBoy320 | then it'd be easy |
| 06:48:38 | midkay | the file? |
| 06:48:41 | midkay | huh? |
| 06:48:53 | DrumRBoy320 | i dont know... where is the setting stored? |
| 06:48:57 | midkay | in RAM.. |
| 06:49:07 | midkay | so. wait. |
| 06:49:07 | DrumRBoy320 | how do i reset RAM? |
| 06:49:17 | midkay | in the menus = very hard on an ipod. |
| 06:49:25 | DrumRBoy320 | ...not gonna happen |
| 06:49:27 | midkay | wait though. you have .rockbox, an AAAAAA folder in there, and the cfg in there? |
| 06:49:37 | DrumRBoy320 | unless someone compiles me a build with click suppor |
| 06:49:38 | DrumRBoy320 | t |
| 06:49:42 | DrumRBoy320 | yes |
| 06:50:22 | DrumRBoy320 | ...unless im doin the .cfg file wrong... |
| 06:50:27 | midkay | well.. |
| 06:50:38 | midkay | you could try putting it in root as zzzzz.cfg |
| 06:50:41 | midkay | and then try and just scroll up one |
| 06:50:46 | midkay | should only take a few tries |
| 06:50:50 | DrumRBoy320 | hmm |
| 06:50:53 | DrumRBoy320 | possible |
| 06:50:56 | DrumRBoy320 | lemme try |
| 06:52:17 | DrumRBoy320 | OMFG |
| 06:52:23 | DrumRBoy320 | i just did it to my iriver also |
| 06:52:24 | DrumRBoy320 | ... |
| 06:52:38 | DrumRBoy320 | well, my iriver i know by heart |
| 06:52:39 | midkay | nice job |
| 06:52:43 | DrumRBoy320 | thats pretty bad though... |
| 06:52:48 | Mikachu | someone added 'reset settings when hold button set during boot' a few days ago |
| 06:52:55 | Mikachu | you can try that |
| 06:53:25 | DrumRBoy320 | hmm, i would have to recompile? |
| 06:53:29 | DrumRBoy320 | ive never done that |
| 06:53:35 | DrumRBoy320 | compile* |
| 06:53:42 | Mikachu | you'd need a fairly new cvs build |
| 06:53:46 | midkay | turn it on and switch on hold? :) |
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| 06:55:23 | DrumRBoy320 | i hav the latest bleeding edge |
| 06:55:41 | DrumRBoy320 | OMFG |
| 06:55:44 | DrumRBoy320 | worked |
| 06:55:46 | DrumRBoy320 | wow |
| 06:55:50 | DrumRBoy320 | after all of that ;) |
| 06:56:08 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, nice - i'm trying to put in a check to be sure this doesn't happen again. :) |
| 06:56:41 | DrumRBoy320 | lol, ok |
| 06:56:45 | DrumRBoy320 | now for my iriver... |
| 06:56:46 | DrumRBoy320 | grr |
| 06:56:53 | DrumRBoy320 | that i should be ok with though |
| 06:56:56 | midkay | haha |
| 06:57:23 | DrumRBoy320 | i was trying to replicate what i was doin on my ipod on my iriver, and screwed my iriver up |
| 06:57:25 | Mikachu | sorry i didn't wake up earlier :) |
| 06:57:42 | DrumRBoy320 | no problem, only 57 minutes past my optimum bedtime ;) |
| 06:57:44 | DrumRBoy320 | i gtg now |
| 06:57:49 | DrumRBoy320 | THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH |
| 06:57:49 | DrumRBoy320 | ! |
| 06:57:50 | DrumRBoy320 | :D |
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| 06:57:56 | midkay | laters |
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| 07:07:46 | picohertz | will the gapless implementation ever be improved? From reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo it doesn't sound like 'true' gapless support to me |
| 07:07:58 | Mikachu | it works fine here |
| 07:08:26 | picohertz | meaning that you don't mind the corrupt frames when listening out of order, or? |
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| 07:08:56 | Mikachu | i haven't tried with mp3 |
| 07:09:00 | picohertz | oh |
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| 07:09:48 | picohertz | I've ripped my CD collection with LAME, so I was hoping rockbox would achieve its gapless by inspecting the track length field LAME writes. |
| 07:10:19 | picohertz | I guess that implementation might need to make some assumptions about how good the hardware is that wouldn't be fair to make |
| 07:10:25 | midkay | picohertz, i can't hear any gaps :) |
| 07:10:52 | picohertz | have you tested with an album that didn't have gaps in the first place? :) |
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| 07:12:49 | midkay | picohertz, yes.. :) tracks seem to flow together just fine |
| 07:13:03 | DrumRBoy320|Away | "im baaaaack" |
| 07:13:14 | midkay | welcome baaaaack. |
| 07:13:29 | DrumRBoy320|Away | if i want to write a cfg file within rockbox on my ipod, how do i accept the file name? |
| 07:13:38 | DrumRBoy320|Away | cause now the setting wont stick :( |
| 07:13:39 | picohertz | lots of people don't notice or mind the gaps even as produced by a stock ipod - from reading that wiki page, I'm kind of dubious. |
| 07:13:40 | Mikachu | hold select for a second |
| 07:13:41 | midkay | hold select |
| 07:13:42 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ok |
| 07:13:44 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :D |
| 07:13:54 | DrumRBoy320|Away | beautiful |
| 07:14:00 | midkay | picohertz, i can definitely hear the original firmware gaps. |
| 07:14:02 | DrumRBoy320|Away | thanks, you guys are great |
| 07:14:06 | DrumRBoy320|Away | night again |
| 07:14:09 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ;) |
| 07:14:11 | midkay | and i'm happy to say they're more or less completely gone in rockbox |
| 07:14:14 | picohertz | mid what file format are you using |
| 07:14:19 | midkay | night DrumRBoy320|Away :) |
| 07:14:24 | midkay | picohertz, mp3.. flac.. |
| 07:14:35 | picohertz | which mp3 encoder? |
| 07:14:50 | midkay | lame for most of it |
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| 07:14:58 | picohertz | hm |
| 07:15:21 | midkay | give it a try - it's at least really damn close. :) |
| 07:15:34 | picohertz | yeah I don't have rockbox-supported player |
| 07:15:47 | picohertz | the thing is, I've been holding off buying an iPod forever because I want gapless |
| 07:15:57 | midkay | ahhh. |
| 07:16:02 | picohertz | then today I found that I might be able to get it via rockbox |
| 07:16:16 | picohertz | maybe I'll talk a friend into putting it on their iPod so I can test it out |
| 07:16:19 | midkay | i can test again to be sure.. |
| 07:16:55 | midkay | if you want my absolute confidence.. :) |
| 07:17:33 | picohertz | yeah if it's not a pain in the ass, that'd be informative |
| 07:17:42 | midkay | sure, one sec |
| 07:17:49 | picohertz | if you test a album with no original gaps that you have encoded as mp3 |
| 07:17:57 | midkay | right |
| 07:18:39 | picohertz | I'd still feel conflicted paying Apple even though they've ignored this request forever |
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| 07:19:06 | midkay | it doesn't seem a very common feature in portable DAPs.. i bet if it was in higher demand they'd do it |
| 07:19:21 | picohertz | yeah just the rio player |
| 07:19:27 | picohertz | as far as I know |
| 07:19:33 | midkay | yep |
| 07:19:36 | BladeSling | I'm reading a thread on the rockboy plugin in the ipod section, does this need to be compiled or something before I put it on my ipod? I can't find a .rock file for it and pretty much nothing else on it other then the cvs files, which I dunno what to do with. I would like to play Gameboy games on my 5g, any help would be appreciated :D |
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| 07:19:51 | picohertz | it just seems so easy, and with Steve calling himself an "audiophile" today, I don't see why they wouldn't do it |
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| 07:22:18 | midkay | picohertz, haha, yeah |
| 07:22:28 | midkay | picohertz, k, found an album - now the moment of truth. :) |
| 07:23:28 | midkay | picohertz, i can't confirm that these MP3s are in lame. but it's 100% _gapless_. not a stutter. |
| 07:23:36 | picohertz | hm |
| 07:23:51 | picohertz | thanks for checking it out |
| 07:23:54 | picohertz | I'm confused now, though |
| 07:23:57 | midkay | hm? |
| 07:24:30 | picohertz | yeah because that wiki page really makes it sound like it shouldn't work, unless the CD had been ripped in a specific way |
| 07:24:44 | midkay | hm? |
| 07:24:50 | midkay | can i see? |
| 07:25:03 | picohertz | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo |
| 07:26:08 | midkay | read the "note about future rockbox versions" |
| 07:26:21 | midkay | these are methods to get the archos recorder to do gapless, which it cannot in hardware.. |
| 07:26:27 | picohertz | from reading that, it looks to me like rockbox is depending on the rip/encode to fill the last frame of song N with the beginning of song N+1, which is not how most people rip, and would result in artifacts when on shuffle |
| 07:26:39 | midkay | the ipod is a software platform so it's designed to be gapless from the ground up |
| 07:27:00 | midkay | "Future versions of Rockbox on hardware without such MP3 decoding chips (e.g. the IriverPort) will use software MPEG decoding, which will enable the possibiliy of Rockbox removing any silence added by your MP3 encoder at the end of the final frame." |
| 07:27:13 | midkay | iRiver + iPods are software decoding. |
| 07:27:14 | picohertz | oh hm |
| 07:27:52 | midkay | and there's crossfading.. if they can do that, they can do gapless without a problem ;) |
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| 07:28:19 | picohertz | crossfading is a cheap hack, in my opinion |
| 07:28:24 | picohertz | I'd almost rather have the gaps |
| 07:28:44 | Mikachu | crossfading isn't for tracks that are made to be gapless obviously |
| 07:28:59 | midkay | picohertz, no, i mean.. |
| 07:29:29 | midkay | it's "true" crossfading.. i'm saying that if they can truly blend two tracks together, they can easily put them back to back seamlessly, sans crossfade.. |
| 07:29:40 | picohertz | my understand is that 'true' gapless puts some burden on the hardware design - you need a buffer that can hold ~2 seconds of audio (around 150-200KB), and a processor that can decode a song somewhat faster than it plays |
| 07:29:48 | picohertz | +ing |
| 07:30:18 | picohertz | a buffer for decoded data, that is |
| 07:30:34 | midkay | picohertz, the ipods have 32 or 64mb buffer, i think that's enough ;) |
| 07:30:42 | picohertz | should be, yeah |
| 07:30:52 | midkay | and dual processor cores.. |
| 07:31:02 | midkay | afaik |
| 07:31:52 | amiconn | midkay: With mp3 it's still not 'simple'. The format itself has no provision to play only a part of the last frame. |
| 07:32:23 | midkay | amiconn, you know a lot more about it than me.. i only call it simple by comparison, perhaps that's wrong.. :) |
| 07:32:29 | picohertz | ami: right, but the player can make use of the track length tag that LAME writes, or detect an immediate fall-to-silence in the last frame |
| 07:32:37 | amiconn | However, the 'lame' authors added an extension, the 'lame tag' |
| 07:33:16 | amiconn | Rockbox on swcodec platforms can use it to make mp3 tracks play gapless, |
| 07:33:27 | picohertz | sweet |
| 07:33:51 | amiconn | but there's obviously one requirement: The tracks must be encoded with lame |
| 07:34:29 | picohertz | that's what I was hoping for - someone should update that wiki so slow children like me don't misunderstand it :) |
| 07:34:54 | amiconn | If there is no lame tag, there is no other option to make it play gapless |
| 07:35:21 | picohertz | ami: except detecting sudden silence filling the end of the last frame and skipping it |
| 07:35:28 | amiconn | There will be no sudden fall-to-silence within one frame |
| 07:35:58 | amiconn | That's how transform codecs work |
| 07:36:43 | BladeSling | Does rockboy need to be compiled or something before I put it on my ipod? I can't find a .rock file for it and pretty much nothing else on it other then the cvs files, which I dunno what to do with. I would like to play Gameboy games on my 5g, any help would be appreciated :D |
| 07:36:49 | picohertz | ? |
| 07:37:33 | amiconn | Everything happening within one block's timeslot will be 'smeared' across the whole block |
| 07:38:16 | picohertz | you mean as far as how the actual data is written? but that still must be decoded non-silence and silence, right? |
| 07:38:26 | amiconn | no |
| 07:38:29 | picohertz | decoded to |
| 07:38:46 | picohertz | ok, I was looking at this: |
| 07:38:51 | picohertz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapless |
| 07:38:54 | amiconn | The data is not stored in the time domain but in the frequency domain |
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| 07:39:10 | picohertz | (DSP) plugins can be used to detect silence between tracks and trim the audio as necessary on playback. This is not an optimal solution because it does not always produce results identical to the source. Sometimes an artist may intentionally leave silence at track boundaries for dramatic effect; removing this silence also removes that effect. |
| 07:40:24 | amiconn | That will work for uncompressed or lossless compressed audio only |
| 07:41:12 | picohertz | that doesn't make sense - the decoded has to reconcile the frequency and time domains to play the song. I mean, I don't know how mp3 works at this level, but it has to in order to play the song |
| 07:41:39 | picohertz | if you're doing this silence detection post-decode, I don't see how what you're saying applies |
| 07:41:48 | picohertz | decoded/decoder |
| 07:41:49 | amiconn | Yes, but the point is that both the frequency and the time domain resolution is reduced |
| 07:42:45 | amiconn | I repeat: If you have an audio track that ends up with a partial last frame when encoded to mp3, the track is padded at the end with zero-samples to encode it. |
| 07:42:46 | picohertz | I don't know what you mean |
| 07:43:06 | picohertz | ok I understand /that/ |
| 07:43:07 | amiconn | After decoding, these extra samples are no longer silent (!) |
| 07:43:20 | picohertz | maybe not all-zeros silent |
| 07:43:28 | picohertz | but they are /relatively/ silent, no? |
| 07:43:31 | amiconn | not even close |
| 07:44:08 | BHSPitLappy | gosh |
| 07:44:21 | amiconn | Well, except when the track end itself is silent, but then silence detection would even do worse - it would cut away this intended silence |
| 07:44:22 | Mikachu | how 'long' is a frame? |
| 07:44:36 | picohertz | right |
| 07:44:48 | picohertz | I understand it's not 'true' gapless |
| 07:44:58 | picohertz | but it does appear to be a technique that at least some players use |
| 07:45:46 | BladeSling | How long have you two been talking about this now? |
| 07:45:50 | BladeSling | Like an hour? |
| 07:45:50 | picohertz | 5-10 minutes |
| 07:45:53 | amiconn | The mp3 frame length depends on the sample frequency, for the most common case of 44.1 kHz it is ~26.1 msec |
| 07:46:09 | Mikachu | BladeSling: are we disturbing you? |
| 07:46:19 | picohertz | I have another question if everyone is sick of this one |
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| 07:46:29 | amiconn | picohertz: Yes, the iriver firmware has 'gap removal' which tries to do this - and fails... |
| 07:46:42 | picohertz | I thought the iriver just used some shitty crossfade |
| 07:46:55 | BladeSling | lol, my question is still unanswerd.. meh, I swear its been so long.. I keep reading what your typing.. lol.. I'm like omg.. but I'm like WAY tired.. but I can't sleep, lol. |
| 07:47:10 | picohertz | I was talking about the rio, actually - I read that in the absence of the LAME tag, it would attempt silence detection |
| 07:48:12 | picohertz | anyway, I'm happy to hear that rockbox can honor the lame tag and do gapless that way |
| 07:48:41 | amiconn | BladeSling: Rockboy is built for ipod video, so it should be there. |
| 07:49:01 | amiconn | However, rockboy is a 'viewer plugin', so you won't find it in 'browse plugins' |
| 07:49:05 | BladeSling | Is it built in? Do I just put some gb files on and play? |
| 07:49:11 | picohertz | so, let's say in awhile when the ipod port is more complete, say I have a headunit in my car that can control a stock iPod - would it be able to control my rockbox-run ipod? |
| 07:49:14 | BladeSling | Ahh, damnit.. lol so much search... stupid me.. |
| 07:49:21 | BladeSling | Thank you Amiconn |
| 07:49:33 | amiconn | You need to 'play' a .gb or .gbc file to invoke it |
| 07:50:06 | BladeSling | *searches for his roms* |
| 07:52:08 | BladeSling | Eeep! Where is my cd... Ahhh! <_< Holy cow, if I have to reimage all these games I'ma be angry |
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| 07:58:08 | BHSPitLappy | picohertz: only if someone nabs the remote interface |
| 07:58:38 | picohertz | you mean if the spec leaks? |
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| 08:05:44 | BHSPitLappy | or it's RE'd enough |
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| 08:06:03 | BHSPitLappy | (and that's ALWAYS a reliable method) |
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| 08:06:34 | BHSPitLappy | amiconn: got clones? |
| 08:06:35 | picohertz | so from "don't hold your breath" to "someday real soon" |
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| 08:06:39 | BHSPitLappy | amiconn_: got clones? |
| 08:06:41 | picohertz | where would you place it? :) |
| 08:06:42 | BHSPitLappy | amiconn__: got clones? |
| 08:06:44 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 08:07:14 | BHSPitLappy | picohertz: somewhere around "do it your #$%&ing self" |
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| 08:07:52 | picohertz | I've got enough projects :) |
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| 08:22:04 | JdGordon | does any1 here know the playlist code? |
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| 08:22:38 | JdGordon | .. the part thats shown when u do view current playlist |
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| 08:23:16 | amiconn | morning LinusN |
| 08:23:43 | LinusN | moo |
| 08:23:49 | amiconn | LinusN: Is there a reason why you join-quit-join? |
| 08:24:33 | amiconn | Happened several days now... |
| 08:24:43 | LinusN | yes, my silly irc bouncer freaks out once in a while |
| 08:25:07 | LinusN | so i have to quit and restart it |
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| 08:25:46 | * | amiconn has to find the gcc multilib target list again |
| 08:25:54 | LinusN | oh? |
| 08:26:03 | * | amiconn curses gcc for not building m68k-elf-gcc on amd64 |
| 08:26:14 | LinusN | sigh' |
| 08:26:35 | amiconn | ../../../gcc-3.4.5/gcc/libgcc2.c: In function `__fixdfdi': |
| 08:26:35 | amiconn | ../../../gcc-3.4.5/gcc/libgcc2.c:1277: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at combine.c:447 |
| 08:26:35 | amiconn | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 08:26:35 | amiconn | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 08:26:35 | amiconn | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
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| 08:26:43 | LinusN | lovely |
| 08:27:02 | LinusN | have fun fixing that... |
| 08:27:13 | * | amiconn hopes this is doesn't happen for 5200 |
| 08:27:29 | amiconn | I'll just disable 68000 for now and retry... |
| 08:28:07 | amiconn | arm and sh built w/o problems on amd64... |
| 08:28:30 | JdGordon | does any1 not like the idea of adding a "search in playlist" sort of function for the playlist menu? it occured to me today in the car it would be useful.. |
| 08:28:31 | amiconn | ..but I can't do sh target builds because uclpack doesn't work |
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| 08:32:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: you mean search in the current playlist? |
| 08:32:12 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:32:22 | JdGordon | ..its not there yet is it? |
| 08:32:26 | LinusN | no |
| 08:32:49 | JdGordon | like the idea? |
| 08:33:03 | LinusN | we only have a file based playlist search function |
| 08:33:17 | JdGordon | filee based? |
| 08:33:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: find all matching lines in a text file |
| 08:33:42 | LinusN | search.rock |
| 08:33:49 | JdGordon | ah, ye, that sux... |
| 08:34:03 | LinusN | not necessarily |
| 08:34:25 | LinusN | but it doesn't fit your needs in this case |
| 08:34:29 | JdGordon | sorry... never actually used it |
| 08:36:08 | JdGordon | ok... its a bit wierd |
| 08:36:21 | amiconn | Gah, got the *exact same* ice for m5200 after disabling m68000 :-( |
| 08:36:25 | BladeSling | I'm out, thanks for the help. |
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| 08:36:46 | JdGordon | but ye, i want to do similar.. but run through the current playlist search for the string, spit the found files onto the screena and tlet the user choose a file to play if they want to |
| 08:36:49 | LinusN | i can imagine a function that advances to the next match in a playlist |
| 08:36:50 | BladeSling | Sleep = E(m*m) |
| 08:37:04 | LinusN | BladeSling: sleep tight |
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| 08:38:14 | LinusN | amiconn: that sucks |
| 08:38:53 | amiconn | I wonder what's so special about this function... |
| 08:39:01 | amiconn | It looks trivial |
| 08:39:17 | JdGordon | it is.. but no1 has done it yet.. |
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| 08:43:29 | amiconn | gcc 4.1.0 is out... |
| 08:53:02 | B4gder | seen any changelog? |
| 08:53:58 | B4gder | ah http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.1/changes.html |
| 08:55:02 | LinusN | nasty stuff: "Interprocedural constant propagation and function versioning" |
| 08:55:58 | B4gder | most of the changes aren't C related |
| 08:56:52 | B4gder | LinusN: I think that sounds cool! ;-) |
| 08:57:03 | B4gder | "looks for functions that are always called with the same constant value for one or more of the function arguments, and propagates those constants into those functions." |
| 08:57:14 | LinusN | indeed cool |
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| 09:00:04 | * | amiconn doesn't really trust gcc's optimisation abilities, at least for anything else than x86 |
| 09:00:20 | amiconn | Why oh why would gcc ice on a trivial function like this: |
| 09:00:41 | t0mas | this is a nice one: "GCC can now do a form of partial dead code elimination (PDCE) that allows code motion of expressions to the paths where the result of the expression is actually needed." |
| 09:01:09 | amiconn | DWtype |
| 09:01:09 | amiconn | __fixdfdi (DFtype a) |
| 09:01:09 | amiconn | { |
| 09:01:09 | amiconn | if (a < 0) |
| 09:01:09 | amiconn | return - __fixunsdfDI (-a); |
| 09:01:10 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 09:01:10 | amiconn | return __fixunsdfDI (a); |
| 09:01:12 | amiconn | } |
| 09:01:13 | t0mas | it shouldn't be necessary with goodp rogrammers |
| 09:01:21 | t0mas | but it looks cool for stupid people :P |
| 09:01:26 | amiconn | That's the whole thing, and it ices on th eclosing brace... |
| 09:01:52 | B4gder | amiconn: fire up your gdb friend and find out! :-) |
| 09:01:59 | amiconn | Rearranging the conditional evaluation in several ways doesn't help anything... |
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| 09:02:15 | B4gder | and by ICE you mean what? a segfault? |
| 09:02:24 | amiconn | 'internal compiler error' |
| 09:02:28 | B4gder | uh |
| 09:02:36 | B4gder | how silly |
| 09:02:44 | amiconn | I'm trying to build m68k-elf-gcc on amd64 |
| 09:02:54 | amiconn | The function above is part of libgcc2.c |
| 09:03:35 | amiconn | I tried to build 3.4.5 and 4.0.2, both with the same result |
| 09:05:22 | t0mas | then report the bug... and hope they can fix it |
| 09:06:25 | amiconn | The gcc teams seems to prefer my bug reports (well, only one so far) :( |
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| 09:09:45 | B4gder | everyone likes to set their own bugs to prio 'High' |
| 09:10:16 | B4gder | I think we should perhaps consider some kind of guidelines as to what severity level a bug report should get |
| 09:10:46 | JdGordon | does rb have a strstr function that doesnt care about case? or do i need to code it myself? |
| 09:10:46 | B4gder | imho, high should be serious bugs that impact the running. I.e hangs, crashes, freezes and such |
| 09:11:06 | B4gder | or is that critical perhaps |
| 09:11:11 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 09:13:04 | Bg3r | JdGordon yes, it has |
| 09:13:09 | Bg3r | afaik |
| 09:13:23 | JdGordon | called? |
| 09:13:43 | Bg3r | strcasestr |
| 09:14:07 | JdGordon | isnt that to check for case? |
| 09:14:16 | Bg3r | no, strstr checks for case |
| 09:14:27 | JdGordon | ok, thanx |
| 09:14:46 | JdGordon | i found strcasestr but assumed that was case sensitvive... should add a no in the funciton name :p |
| 09:14:54 | needleboy | anyone had any trouble compiling the latest cut/copy/paste v3? |
| 09:15:11 | needleboy | i'm getting an error there... |
| 09:15:13 | Bg3r | The strcasestr() function is like strstr(), but ignores the case of both arguments. |
| 09:15:33 | Bg3r | JdGordon |
| 09:15:34 | Bg3r | CONFORMING TO |
| 09:15:36 | Bg3r | The strstr() function conforms to ISO 9899. The strcasestr() function is a non-standard extension. |
| 09:17:48 | B4gder | I'm marking all tracker entries that waits for feedback as "Waiting on Customer" |
| 09:18:01 | B4gder | since then we can close them after N days of waiting |
| 09:18:39 | Bg3r | B4gder btw, can you add me to the devs group there ? |
| 09:18:45 | B4gder | user name? |
| 09:18:54 | Bg3r | bger |
| 09:19:21 | B4gder | done |
| 09:19:24 | Bg3r | 10q |
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| 09:46:44 | B4gder | tracker cleaning! |
| 09:47:06 | LinusN | me hand B4gder a broom |
| 09:47:09 | LinusN | jnmbldhnd |
| 09:48:40 | Bg3r | rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2006-02.html">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2006-02.html haha |
| 09:49:09 | ashridah | woo, the keyboard mash! |
| 09:50:15 | ashridah | woo. stats without timezone data |
| 09:50:17 | ashridah | brilliant! |
| 09:51:19 | t0mas | t0mas is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 1 people! |
| 09:51:19 | t0mas | t0mas's faithful follower, B4gder, kicked about 1 people. |
| 09:51:29 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:51:41 | Bg3r | ashridah it's ~Eu time |
| 09:51:42 | B4gder | I'm following you |
| 09:51:52 | t0mas | that sounds good :P |
| 09:52:08 | B4gder | where are we going today? |
| 09:52:18 | Bg3r | haha "think" is 3rd word in the most used ones :) |
| 09:52:50 | t0mas | well... I had a free week... but I got an e-mail this morning... so I'll go to one of our customers here |
| 09:52:59 | t0mas | take easyjet... you might be on time :P |
| 09:56:06 | JdGordon | when stop is pressed, is the inram playlist still valid? |
| 09:56:25 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:56:34 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:57:02 | LinusN | the .playlist_control file contains the information on how to rebuild the playlist when you resume |
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| 10:00:30 | amiconn | t0mas: I've noticed that the distributed build script does a cvs update on the build server for every build handed out |
| 10:00:47 | amiconn | Doing this for the first build only would certainly speed things up |
| 10:00:48 | t0mas | let me check |
| 10:00:51 | t0mas | it shouldn't |
| 10:01:01 | earHertz | does teh id3 browser work? when I try to run it on the ipod, the system freezes. teh datbox plugin writes an rps, but trying to play teh rps also freezes teh system |
| 10:01:43 | BHSPitLappy | doesn't work I think. |
| 10:01:46 | t0mas | amiconn: how did you find out it does that? |
| 10:02:26 | t0mas | because it is not in the script... |
| 10:02:32 | amiconn | Well, there's a lot of network activity for each of the builds my machine does |
| 10:02:42 | t0mas | that is not the cvs update |
| 10:02:57 | amiconn | What is it then? |
| 10:03:06 | safetydan | earHertz, the tag database is somewhat unstable and will be replaced at some point. it also doesn't seem to work too well on iPods |
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| 10:03:18 | t0mas | amiconn: uploading the result? |
| 10:03:25 | amiconn | Isn't only the masterlog uploaded? |
| 10:03:30 | t0mas | no |
| 10:03:54 | t0mas | it also uploads the zip |
| 10:04:01 | t0mas | because we need the bleeding edge builds |
| 10:04:10 | amiconn | ah |
| 10:04:40 | * | Cassandra will be up for joining the distributed build system btw. But it's probably best to sort it out after I've moved. |
| 10:04:52 | t0mas | ok :D |
| 10:05:03 | Zagor | t0mas: is uploading done asynchronously? |
| 10:05:25 | amiconn | so... more upstream bandwidth will be helpful :) |
| 10:05:45 | B4gder | 2mbit is helpful |
| 10:05:46 | t0mas | Zagor: we tried that, and it isn't anymore |
| 10:05:58 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:05:59 | amiconn | B4gder: My upstream is less than that. ADSL... |
| 10:06:29 | B4gder | still useful |
| 10:06:30 | t0mas | Zagor: it was slower in the end, because we have some fast servers (linuxstb's for example) doing a build in < 40 seconds |
| 10:06:36 | t0mas | but it's on a very slow upload connection |
| 10:06:56 | t0mas | so if it would just continue building, it would fetch all builds, and then wait 20 minutes for all the transferes to finish |
| 10:07:14 | Zagor | how can it be slower? |
| 10:07:23 | B4gder | since the transfer takes a long time |
| 10:07:26 | t0mas | yes |
| 10:07:30 | B4gder | we need to stay synched |
| 10:07:44 | B4gder | compile time + transfer time is what counts for us |
| 10:07:49 | t0mas | Zagor: example, we have 5 builds... 1 slow server on 100 mbit, and 1 fast server on 0,5 mbit |
| 10:08:00 | t0mas | 1 slow server starts a build, and the fast starts 1 build |
| 10:08:14 | t0mas | then before the slow server has finished, the fast server has done all 3 other builds |
| 10:08:22 | amiconn | t0mas: The .zip isn't needed for sim builds, right? |
| 10:08:24 | t0mas | and then we'll have to wait for the async. transferes |
| 10:08:43 | B4gder | amiconn: no, but the building/treatment is generic and agnostic to what build it is |
| 10:08:45 | Zagor | ah, I understand. |
| 10:09:16 | earHertz | any idea how much memory teh id3 databse uses, and whether or not it does disk accesses after loading? also, I see it implements its own version of malloc, which I always thought LinusN was opposed to. |
| 10:09:20 | t0mas | B4gder: but what amiconn means is that the sim files shouldn't be transferred, and he is right... |
| 10:09:28 | t0mas | we talked about this before |
| 10:09:36 | B4gder | you mean the zip, right? |
| 10:09:38 | t0mas | yes |
| 10:09:45 | t0mas | because we don't offer those to download |
| 10:10:12 | B4gder | no |
| 10:10:14 | B4gder | but still |
| 10:10:29 | Cassandra | ID3 database is being replaced Real Soon Now (TM). |
| 10:10:32 | B4gder | but sure, we can try skipping that for the sim builds |
| 10:10:44 | t0mas | Zagor: the other idea was to allow partially async. transfere... we can transfere 1 build while the new one is compiling |
| 10:11:05 | t0mas | and then wait for that transfere to finish, before we build another one |
| 10:11:06 | earHertz | Cassandra: how soon, and by whom? I ask, because I'm thinking of writing a replacemnt, but if someone else already is, I don't want to duplicate effort |
| 10:11:07 | * | Cassandra doesn't really understand why we don't offer Sim builds for download. |
| 10:11:10 | B4gder | earHertz: it is supposed to function even for 2mb archos players so it MUST use very little ram and do very much disk operations |
| 10:11:24 | t0mas | Cassandra: we just don't have links for that... you can infact just download them... |
| 10:11:31 | B4gder | Cassandra: because no one builds any sims that anyone wants to download |
| 10:11:37 | Cassandra | earHertz, it's been Real Soon for a couple of months. I'm afraid I can't remember who's working on it. |
| 10:11:38 | B4gder | we build linux sdl sims |
| 10:11:43 | B4gder | no one wants to download them |
| 10:11:52 | Cassandra | Ah, good point. |
| 10:11:54 | earHertz | B4gder: i think it's possibly to put int into > 512 MB of ram, so that it could use teh plugin mmeory on non-arcos builds |
| 10:12:07 | earHertz | er, I mean < less than 512 |
| 10:12:10 | B4gder | everything is possible |
| 10:12:16 | t0mas | but if you want to... |
| 10:12:16 | Cassandra | It ought to be technically possible to cross-compile the Win32 sims. |
| 10:12:16 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodcolorsim/rockbox.zip |
| 10:12:19 | t0mas | there it is |
| 10:12:22 | earHertz | and add genre and composer, as well |
| 10:12:51 | B4gder | Cassandra: sure, we did it for years |
| 10:13:00 | safetydan | earHertz, Slasheri is working on a replacement system known as tagcache. It will build the database live on your DAP. It will be finished when it's done. |
| 10:13:01 | earHertz | that, is essentially replicating teh apple browser (essentally, in that it wouldn't replicate apple's "smart playlists") |
| 10:13:04 | t0mas | Cassandra: we could do that in the dailies... |
| 10:13:06 | B4gder | the win32 sims we built up until just a few weeks ago |
| 10:13:11 | t0mas | for bleeding edge it would be a little over done |
| 10:13:22 | Cassandra | I suspect now that custom WPSes are in vogue, there's probably more demand for them. |
| 10:13:58 | B4gder | t0mas: well, it would still be useful to verify that the sim builds on win32 |
| 10:14:23 | t0mas | well... add a win32 target to the capability lists... and add some build lines |
| 10:14:54 | * | JdGordon thought the use of goto is generally frowned upon in c.. ? |
| 10:15:19 | B4gder | t0mas: yes, we'd first need to verify that we can build a cross-compiled sdl sim for win32 properly, as that has not been done yet afaik |
| 10:15:40 | LinusN | JdGordon: it is generally frowned upon, but still useful in some cases |
| 10:15:51 | t0mas | JdGordon: sometimes you almost can't avoid it |
| 10:16:01 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:16:03 | t0mas | but still... it looks basic like ;) |
| 10:16:13 | LinusN | so 80's |
| 10:16:18 | t0mas | lol |
| 10:16:28 | * | t0mas was born end 80s ;) |
| 10:16:36 | earHertz | goto is frowned upon, but can jump out of loops/nested branches with a lot less code than the alternatives, in some special cases |
| 10:16:51 | B4gder | youngster t0mas |
| 10:16:56 | t0mas | almost 18 |
| 10:16:59 | * | safetydan feels old |
| 10:17:06 | * | earHertz is old |
| 10:17:07 | safetydan | And I'm not even that old |
| 10:17:18 | * | t0mas wonders how old Linus got on his last birthday? |
| 10:17:22 | t0mas | nobody mentioned that... |
| 10:17:26 | earHertz | t0mas: one year older |
| 10:17:42 | t0mas | earHertz: really? wow... didn't expect that |
| 10:17:51 | ashridah | and a little bit deeper in debt :) |
| 10:18:01 | earHertz | pre-increment ++, not post-increment |
| 10:18:16 | Cassandra | The business with goto always struck me as kind of religious. |
| 10:18:18 | B4gder | t0mas: I could tell you, but then I won't get all the money he's paying me not to reveal that ;-) |
| 10:18:27 | t0mas | is he that old? |
| 10:18:38 | Cassandra | I think it stems from an entire generation of bad basic programs. |
| 10:18:49 | Cassandra | There's nothing wrong with goto if you use it right. |
| 10:18:51 | earHertz | Cassandra: it was a reaction to overuse before Dijkstra's paper |
| 10:19:36 | B4gder | anyone minds if I drop the win32/x11 sims from the source code package? |
| 10:19:55 | B4gder | it feel bad to include the bmp files twice |
| 10:19:59 | B4gder | feels |
| 10:19:59 | earHertz | it does make thingas less readbale, but you have to consider than on a portable device, you do stufff that is "bad prgramming" to get good results. as in the abscence of malloc from rockbox |
| 10:20:03 | LinusN | t0mas: 37 |
| 10:20:10 | Cassandra | You mean the non-SDL versions? Sure. Be my guest. |
| 10:20:11 | t0mas | ooooh, not really old... |
| 10:20:12 | LinusN | reeeeally old |
| 10:20:18 | B4gder | yes, non-sdl |
| 10:20:23 | LinusN | and grumpy |
| 10:20:41 | * | earHertz will be LinusN's age next week |
| 10:20:45 | t0mas | not past 40... you have 3 years to go before you have to run and hide from a surprise party at the office </hint to Bagder> |
| 10:20:59 | LinusN | earHertz: congrats...or something |
| 10:21:03 | B4gder | hehehe |
| 10:21:03 | Cassandra | I think the sooner we phase them out now the better. If they remain around, people are liable to think they're useable. |
| 10:21:03 | earHertz | or something |
| 10:21:06 | earHertz | ;) |
| 10:21:26 | LinusN | Cassandra: you mean old people? |
| 10:21:46 | Cassandra | Yeah. Shame Rockbox has no pension plan. |
| 10:21:46 | earHertz | you mean Soylent Green ingedients |
| 10:21:48 | JdGordon | for playlist_peek(steps) .. can steps be negative? |
| 10:22:11 | safetydan | The experimental builds have a very nice looking logo |
| 10:22:13 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
| 10:22:21 | JdGordon | great |
| 10:22:41 | earHertz | here's a question to LinusN and Bagder: has the rockbox project on your resumes proved financilly rewarding at all? |
| 10:22:58 | B4gder | I can't say that it has |
| 10:22:59 | LinusN | not a penny |
| 10:23:15 | earHertz | I'm frankly suprised you haven't been hired to work on commercial fioirmware for mp3 players |
| 10:23:15 | B4gder | but we're consultants, its hard to tell exactly what specific projects that look good to customers |
| 10:23:35 | earHertz | given that rockbox is so much better than the competton |
| 10:23:37 | B4gder | those are made by koreans and chinese |
| 10:23:43 | B4gder | we are in Sweden |
| 10:24:06 | B4gder | besides |
| 10:24:15 | B4gder | music player producers don't care for good sw |
| 10:24:17 | Cassandra | Wow! Distributed build really has made a lot of difference. It's shaved 40 mins or so off expected compile times. |
| 10:24:24 | earHertz | still, it would seem usefukl to levergae rb if you were making as new mp3 player |
| 10:24:32 | t0mas | Cassandra: 55 at this moment |
| 10:24:39 | B4gder | earHertz: you would think so, but apparently not |
| 10:24:40 | Aditya | this is how music players are made: |
| 10:24:41 | t0mas | last normal builds took over 60 minutes |
| 10:24:46 | Aditya | 1. we need a new product |
| 10:24:54 | Aditya | 2. lets come up with a cheesy name |
| 10:25:04 | t0mas | B4gder: but I think your list of opensource projects will impress some clients right? |
| 10:25:04 | Aditya | 3. rebrand old mp3 player with new capacity HDD |
| 10:25:21 | Aditya | 4. sell on brand name's loyal fans |
| 10:25:23 | Cassandra | Gramatical mistake on /downloads. The CVS builds are now on *their* own page. |
| 10:25:26 | earHertz | admiteedly, I'd use the apple firmware if I could get it to use a custom wps |
| 10:25:27 | Aditya | 5. ... profit |
| 10:25:28 | B4gder | t0mas: yes sure, but it is hard to tell exactly which projects that give what |
| 10:25:29 | t0mas | I mean... if they recognize some project... and think it's good, then they might think you're good too ;) |
| 10:25:38 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:25:42 | B4gder | I fool them all! |
| 10:25:48 | t0mas | haha |
| 10:25:55 | Cassandra | earHertz, you could add iTunesDB support to Rockbox. |
| 10:26:03 | Aditya | the problem with this kind of a project though is that there are lots of people contributing |
| 10:26:11 | earHertz | Cassandra: which ipodlinux (sort of does) |
| 10:26:24 | Aditya | god no |
| 10:26:33 | earHertz | the problem I see is that the itunesdb contains lots of information used ONLY by teh custom playlists |
| 10:26:47 | Cassandra | Kudos to the ipodLinux people for what they did, but it always stuck me as a bit silly. |
| 10:26:48 | Aditya | if iTunesDB makes it into rockbox base.. I will lose any kind of love for you people |
| 10:26:57 | earHertz | and for my money, I'd prefer to generaste teh custom playlists in itunes, not on th efly |
| 10:27:34 | earHertz | I mean, there are about lityerlaly 25 fields in teh irtunesdb that are never used except for the smart playlists |
| 10:27:42 | * | Cassandra notes that Winamp now has embryonic iPod support. |
| 10:28:05 | earHertz | as did foobar for a while, until 4.7 |
| 10:28:28 | Cassandra | Problem is none of them ever seem to work with the Video. |
| 10:28:32 | earHertz | the question is, how much memory and disk access does it use? |
| 10:29:19 | Cassandra | I'm still having performance issues with 256mb MP3s on 5g. It'd be nice to be able to get at my stuff from the Applie firmware, at least until that's fixed. |
| 10:29:26 | earHertz | to get teh apple interface would take (i calculate) approx. 430K of memory for 10000 songs |
| 10:29:45 | earHertz | les the smaet playlists |
| 10:29:49 | earHertz | plus code |
| 10:29:51 | earHertz | of course |
| 10:30:10 | t0mas | hm... video ipods have 64 mb mem right? |
| 10:30:11 | Cassandra | earHertz, that's liveable with, I believe. |
| 10:30:14 | earHertz | les if you compressed the strings using huffman coding or garsia-wachs coding |
| 10:30:19 | Cassandra | the 60gb ones, yes. |
| 10:30:23 | t0mas | so that memory usage shouldn't be a problem |
| 10:30:40 | earHertz | yeah, it woould fit into < 512 KB for all but teh 60GB ipods |
| 10:30:54 | earHertz | and teh initiall implemenntation would be dead simple |
| 10:31:06 | Cassandra | Presumable iTunesDB is part of the reason why Apple upped the memory in the 60GB models. |
| 10:31:11 | earHertz | yeah |
| 10:31:21 | B4gder | 319 seconds |
| 10:31:33 | B4gder | just lovely |
| 10:31:37 | Cassandra | I *heart* distributed builds. |
| 10:31:55 | earHertz | you could do it in even less memory (350kb) if you could sort of the fly; the 430KB is for doing all the sorting once |
| 10:32:09 | earHertz | and saving teh soreted data in memory |
| 10:32:59 | t0mas | [10:31:32] <B4gder> 319 seconds <−− we were faster yesterday... kick some people of the main server ;) |
| 10:33:18 | earHertz | note that this assumes using teh apple directory structure. Using a rockbox style diretory structure imposes either greater memory cioost orr constraints on moving files |
| 10:33:19 | Cassandra | Really, half a meg for the iTunesDB is not a problem. |
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| 10:33:44 | B4gder | t0mas: its not doing anything really |
| 10:33:45 | Cassandra | Bear in mind that Rockbox works with a 1.5 meg buffer on some systems., |
| 10:33:52 | | Part cooltom |
| 10:33:57 | earHertz | because all apple files require only 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 chars to describe the whole path |
| 10:34:05 | Aditya | whoa.. |
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| 10:34:12 | skwad | hi |
| 10:34:14 | Aditya | these things have 32ish MB of ram?? |
| 10:34:16 | earHertz | on archos players it's a non-starter, agreed |
| 10:34:27 | earHertz | Aditya: 32 or 64 |
| 10:34:35 | Aditya | damn.. nice |
| 10:34:40 | Aditya | I was expecting a lot less |
| 10:34:42 | t0mas | or 2 for the archos recorder |
| 10:34:43 | earHertz | and two processors, on teh video |
| 10:34:47 | B4gder | t0mas: any chance you can add number of build servers to the summary stats below the cvs build table? |
| 10:35:04 | earHertz | and a dsp, too |
| 10:35:45 | t0mas | B4gder: I think I can... but I have to do some other things first (why aren't you on your plane yet? ;)) |
| 10:35:58 | earHertz | now here's a question: does anyonme have mp3 filenames that DO NOT start with a track number? |
| 10:36:11 | BHSPitLappy | uhh... |
| 10:36:14 | * | BHSPitLappy |
| 10:36:34 | earHertz | BHSPitLappy: so the sngs are played not in teh album order? |
| 10:37:44 | Lynx_ | earHertz: yes, almost all of them |
| 10:37:56 | BHSPitLappy | well, on my iPod, I still have the filenames FWBD and PEBO and EVTA and etc etc |
| 10:37:57 | earHertz | Lynx_: yes, do not? |
| 10:38:00 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
| 10:38:06 | earHertz | BHSPitLappy: oh, that's ok, then |
| 10:38:09 | Lynx_ | earHertz: yes, no number |
| 10:38:24 | Cassandra | earHertz, what I'm saying is that we can afford to reduce the audio buffer size for this kind of data. Obviously the less we reduce it by, the less disk spinups, and thus better battery life, but really we already use 1/2 meg or so for plugins, and more for dircache. |
| 10:38:42 | earHertz | Cassandra: how much does dircache currenly use? |
| 10:38:57 | Cassandra | Not sure. |
| 10:39:25 | earHertz | thing is, I want to reduce the buffer as little as opossible, as the smaller the buffer, the less the battery lasts |
| 10:40:01 | Cassandra | It'd be interesting to try out battery time with various buffer sizes. |
| 10:40:27 | Cassandra | But I seem to recall that when someone did that on Hxxx, it wasn't a highly significant factor. |
| 10:40:45 | earHertz | is the Hxxx a disk-based player? |
| 10:40:50 | Cassandra | Yes. |
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| 10:40:57 | earHertz | odd |
| 10:41:15 | Cassandra | TBH iPod builds still need a lot of optimising. |
| 10:41:28 | earHertz | Cassandra: in what areas.? |
| 10:41:44 | Cassandra | From the brief look I've had on the 5g, there seems to be a current battery life of about 4-5 hours. |
| 10:42:03 | Cassandra | It ought to be possible to improve that significantly. |
| 10:42:24 | earHertz | actually, I'm not sure I can say apple does much better |
| 10:42:56 | Cassandra | Apple *claim* much higher battery life. |
| 10:43:07 | earHertz | yes, well, I had hoped that was true |
| 10:43:24 | Cassandra | Given then yesterday I spend over 7 hours listening to my H120, this obviously concerns me.. |
| 10:43:25 | LinusN | the h300 power consumption problem really annoys me |
| 10:43:29 | earHertz | an i haven't done any serious tinming. my anecdotal feeling is that 5 hours is pushing it |
| 10:43:46 | Cassandra | LinusN, still no closer to tracking it down? |
| 10:43:49 | earHertz | and reading books on the apple really kills teh battery fast |
| 10:43:50 | saab_rider | amen |
| 10:43:52 | Aditya | there is a power consumption problem? |
| 10:43:52 | LinusN | no clue yet |
| 10:44:01 | earHertz | as it spins fdor every 4k chunk |
| 10:44:14 | Aditya | is that just rockbox or would that permanently affect my battery? |
| 10:44:21 | Aditya | cause my battery's been dying latelt |
| 10:44:29 | Cassandra | I have a suspicion that the 5g backlight totally eats battery. |
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| 10:44:32 | earHertz | Aditya: what ipod do you have? |
| 10:44:37 | LinusN | Aditya: rockbox draws ~100mA when idle, while iriver draws 60mA when playing mp3 |
| 10:44:40 | egotrippen | Aditya: the batteries seem to die in a year or so |
| 10:44:42 | Aditya | iRiver H320 |
| 10:44:43 | Cassandra | Apple seem very keen to turn it off as fast as possible. |
| 10:44:43 | earHertz | Cassandra: yes, that too |
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| 10:44:57 | Aditya | bah.. they die in about a year? |
| 10:44:59 | Aditya | meh |
| 10:45:01 | LinusN | and with "idle" i mean when the processor is stopped in a STOP instruction |
| 10:45:14 | Aditya | oh lol |
| 10:45:15 | LinusN | so the core isn't even running |
| 10:45:17 | egotrippen | there was a thread on MR around the time iriver FW 1.28 or 1.29 came out wondering about dying batteries |
| 10:45:23 | Aditya | not so efficient eh? =P |
| 10:45:23 | Cassandra | LinusN, that's really weird. |
| 10:45:34 | egotrippen | i think it's just a time coincidence. with RB as we |
| 10:45:38 | egotrippen | well^ |
| 10:45:44 | Aditya | I am using US 1.04 |
| 10:46:02 | Aditya | although I did us the korean firmware for a while.. maybe it kind of killed my battery |
| 10:46:09 | egotrippen | yeah. i don't think the fw matters, it's just that it happened to come out after a year |
| 10:46:13 | Cassandra | Shame you can't analyse consumption on a per component level. |
| 10:46:20 | LinusN | yeah |
| 10:46:48 | Cassandra | My guess would be that they have something running in a power saving mode that we don't. |
| 10:47:28 | Cassandra | Thing is with that kind of draw, it'd have to be something quite significant like the disk. |
| 10:47:34 | LinusN | my guess is that we don't set up the port pins correctly, and thus have collisions, plus that the usb2go chip is active |
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| 10:47:57 | LinusN | just guesses at this point |
| 10:48:08 | Cassandra | Certainly turning off USB2go seems sensible. |
| 10:48:08 | thegeek | does the h120 have this problem too? |
| 10:48:25 | earHertz | do we know how to turn it off? |
| 10:48:29 | t0mas | mine doesn't seem to... |
| 10:48:34 | LinusN | thegeek: i don't think so |
| 10:48:36 | Cassandra | Although presumably you could test that by comparing models with and without that. |
| 10:48:38 | thegeek | ok:) |
| 10:48:49 | Cassandra | H120 battery life is excellent. |
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| 10:49:08 | Cassandra | With an upgraded battery I get 20hrs+ battery life out of my H140. |
| 10:49:29 | Cassandra | Roll on 5g battery upgrades, I say. |
| 10:50:00 | Cassandra | I've been spoilt by the H120. |
| 10:50:12 | Cassandra | Erm, H140. |
| 10:50:39 | B4gder | btw, needleboy's build is now called "h300 experimental" in case you didn't notice |
| 10:50:44 | Cassandra | (For practical purposes, 20 hrs battery life means I *never* run out of charge. |
| 10:51:04 | Cassandra | B4gder, hey, all our whining worked. ;) |
| 10:51:35 | egotrippen | it's good |
| 10:51:57 | thegeek | I've been thinking about getting a new battery |
| 10:52:05 | egotrippen | hopefully it'll make clearer that it's not the only version of RB... at least once or twice i heard someone think it was the only version for H300 |
| 10:52:06 | thegeek | but fact is that I don't really need it;) |
| 10:52:33 | B4gder | egotrippen: yes, I think this clarifies the situation a lot better |
| 10:52:50 | B4gder | since people don't read the fine print |
| 10:53:09 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 10:53:09 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 10:53:16 | egotrippen | er |
| 10:53:29 | B4gder | /set echo OFF ;-) |
| 10:53:36 | egotrippen | haha |
| 10:54:28 | linuxstb_ | Changing the name to "experimental" messes up their logo competition though... |
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| 10:54:38 | egotrippen | they got that sorted already |
| 10:54:42 | markun | B4gder, LinusN: any idea why the power consumption of the H1xx while decoding is as high as when it's paused? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBattery |
| 10:54:48 | egotrippen | the winner changed it to the new name |
| 10:55:13 | B4gder | they did get a handful of really nice submissions |
| 10:55:43 | LinusN | markun: what a funny question to ask right after the power consumption discussion a few minutes ago |
| 10:56:02 | markun | I'm such a funny guy :) |
| 10:56:21 | LinusN | the answer is "i have no idea" |
| 10:56:30 | egotrippen | is there any interest in adding a 24bit WPS to the H300 daily? |
| 10:56:39 | egotrippen | i just want to get something added :) |
| 10:56:45 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:56:59 | t0mas | al long as you don't break anything... |
| 10:57:04 | B4gder | I think we should add some nice color WPS to the default build for the color targets |
| 10:57:11 | * | t0mas likes the green table :P |
| 10:57:35 | * | Cassandra sticks her tongue out at bagder. Boxes not good enough for you? |
| 10:57:39 | LinusN | markun: i guess it's because mp3 decoding rarely boosts |
| 10:57:52 | egotrippen | i put a CVS-compatible rework of a really nice on on the patch tracker a couple minutes ago |
| 10:57:59 | egotrippen | with permission from the original creator |
| 10:58:20 | LinusN | and idling takes about the same cpu as decoding |
| 10:58:20 | markun | LinusN: What I wanted to ask is why paused doesn't use the same amount as idle. |
| 10:58:38 | markun | Do we forget to sleep? |
| 10:58:45 | LinusN | the codec/playback engine doesn't sleep properly |
| 10:59:37 | skwad | egotrippen : the subliminal wps ? |
| 10:59:40 | LinusN | in fact, i have found several places where the different threads could be better in this respect |
| 10:59:56 | LinusN | especially the sw playback threads |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:07 | LinusN | they just yield() instead of sleeping |
| 11:00:30 | markun | yield just switches to another thread? |
| 11:00:37 | Cassandra | At the moment, the 5g build can't keep the buffer full when updating the WPS, but can in the dir browser (with 256kbps MP3s). This suggests that the WPS code has quite significant power consumption. |
| 11:00:37 | egotrippen | skwad: yeah |
| 11:01:06 | egotrippen | i used the 'serene' one, without a box breaking up the picture of the trees |
| 11:01:32 | Cassandra | (This is even without a backdrop, or graphical WPS, btw.) |
| 11:01:55 | t0mas | http://rbh300.chendo.net/h300expFULL.png <−− that logo really is cool... |
| 11:01:57 | B4gder | Cassandra: I'm quite sure the WPS code refreshes the screen far too often |
| 11:02:10 | earHertz | Cassandra: why's it a power issue and not a cpu usage issue? |
| 11:02:23 | Cassandra | earHertz, well it's both, really. |
| 11:02:24 | B4gder | t0mas: I agree |
| 11:02:34 | Cassandra | Excessive CPU usage costs power. |
| 11:03:58 | Cassandra | Maybe we should have a new logo too. Preferably a less orange one. |
| 11:04:29 | * | Bg3r votes for this too |
| 11:04:53 | Aditya | arr |
| 11:04:56 | Aditya | I know what we need |
| 11:04:58 | Aditya | strippers |
| 11:05:02 | Aditya | and free soda |
| 11:05:15 | LinusN | Aditya: i'm sure Cassandra agrees with you |
| 11:05:30 | Cassandra | Be nice to turn all that custom WPS talent into producing us a shiny new logo. |
| 11:05:38 | earHertz | to strip out debug or redundant map info form teh execurtables? |
| 11:05:52 | Cassandra | Yeah, let's have Chippendales. ;) |
| 11:06:09 | Cassandra | That's what you meant, right, Aditya? |
| 11:06:10 | markun | Cassandra: a more square logo in the middle of the screen at bootup would look nice I think |
| 11:06:43 | B4gder | hey |
| 11:06:49 | B4gder | I made shirts with this logo! |
| 11:06:51 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 11:06:54 | Aditya | wait.. I just realized Cassandra is a female sort of name... |
| 11:07:01 | Aditya | *sigh* |
| 11:07:02 | Bg3r | B4gder u'll made new ones ;) |
| 11:07:10 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/devcon2006/ |
| 11:07:13 | Cassandra | B4gder, don't worry, there's still time to remake them. |
| 11:07:21 | Aditya | so I guess we will need these Chippendales characters too |
| 11:07:22 | earHertz | Cassandra: was a phrophet of doom in teh Illiad |
| 11:07:30 | markun | B4gder: I was looking for the other logos of the t-shirt contest, but I guess they got errased with the wiki vandalism.. |
| 11:07:31 | Bg3r | s/made/make |
| 11:07:38 | Aditya | god help me if I go anywhere near that book |
| 11:07:48 | B4gder | markun: I think they're mostly available in the Attic of the web cvs |
| 11:08:02 | Cassandra | earHertz, and the source of my nick - well spotted. ;) |
| 11:08:13 | B4gder | but they were nowhere near the nice arts of that h300 logo compo, if you ask me |
| 11:08:19 | earHertz | Cassandra: really? what doom do you see ahead? |
| 11:08:22 | * | Cassandra does a good line in prophecies of doom, and no-one ever believes me. |
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| 11:09:15 | Cassandra | The arty types all seem to hang out on MR rather than rockbox.org. |
| 11:09:27 | Aditya | MR? |
| 11:09:29 | earHertz | mr? |
| 11:09:32 | Aditya | I could cook up a new logo |
| 11:09:38 | Cassandra | Shame really. I mean, my WPSes are functioal, but I'm not what you'd call an artist. |
| 11:09:40 | egotrippen | maybe just a bigger user base at MR |
| 11:09:43 | markun | B4gder: I see you also gave it a shot :) |
| 11:09:49 | Cassandra | Mystic River. |
| 11:10:11 | B4gder | markun: yeah, but then I'm crap at those things |
| 11:10:26 | Bg3r | Cassandra in this case it's mIstic river |
| 11:10:30 | Cassandra | egotrippen, that seems unlikely given we support a much wider range of platforms. |
| 11:10:31 | markun | Too bad noone dared to design his own logo |
| 11:10:53 | Cassandra | Bg3r, what's a letter between friends? |
| 11:10:57 | egotrippen | Cassandra: true, but MR is slightly less techy |
| 11:11:03 | Bg3r | hehe |
| 11:11:05 | egotrippen | RB is more specialized |
| 11:11:08 | Aditya | meh |
| 11:11:18 | Aditya | I am pretty much more of a design person |
| 11:11:18 | Cassandra | The Rockbox forums aren't particularly techy. |
| 11:11:23 | Aditya | although I am trying to change that |
| 11:11:40 | Bg3r | and this proves again the fact that the UI should be left to the users ... |
| 11:12:11 | B4gder | UIs are only for the weak! |
| 11:12:11 | egotrippen | no, but i'd bet more people have heard of iRiver than Rockbox |
| 11:12:12 | B4gder | :-] |
| 11:12:29 | egotrippen | i could be wrong, i'm just speculating |
| 11:12:36 | * | Cassandra wonders why the shirt model has a serial killer grin. |
| 11:12:51 | B4gder | no comments |
| 11:13:03 | B4gder | *g* |
| 11:13:03 | Aditya | I was thinking pedophile |
| 11:13:23 | Aditya | serial killers are usually the silent calm ones |
| 11:13:50 | B4gder | not that far off, as I have an alternative shot => http://daniel.haxx.se/agnes/mon30/02703r-big.jpg |
| 11:14:26 | Bg3r | wow |
| 11:15:05 | Cassandra | Aditya, the ability to tell pedophiles from serial killers just by their grin must come in handy sometimes. |
| 11:15:09 | skwad | ^ |
| 11:15:09 | skwad | ^^ |
| 11:15:13 | Bg3r | beware, B4gder roves ... |
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| 11:15:53 | Aditya | Cassandra: how else do you think I made it out of my childhood unmolested? |
| 11:16:14 | Cassandra | Aditya, oh, do you live in the States? |
| 11:16:24 | Aditya | yeah |
| 11:16:26 | Aditya | well |
| 11:16:32 | Aditya | I lived in India most of my life |
| 11:16:40 | Aditya | came here like 5-6 years ago |
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| 11:17:09 | * | Cassandra was just being mean to Americans. It's a favourite sport of mine. |
| 11:17:22 | Aditya | can't blame ya |
| 11:17:27 | Cassandra | After all, anyone that can't spell 'favourite' deserves to be roundly mocked. |
| 11:17:32 | amiconn | B4gder, t0mas: Neither win32 nor x11 sims will build with current cvs with one exception: player sims build, and work |
| 11:17:45 | Aditya | or neighbour |
| 11:17:49 | Aditya | or colour |
| 11:17:52 | Aditya | =P |
| 11:18:10 | B4gder | I personally do no longer care about non-SDL sims |
| 11:18:14 | Aditya | I know about those.. I lived in India like I said and they use british english |
| 11:18:36 | Cassandra | Thank heavens for colonial imperialism, eh? |
| 11:18:50 | markun | amiconn: is there a reason why the other sims should be maintained? |
| 11:19:30 | markun | Does the SDL sim on for windows work as well as the win32 sim? |
| 11:19:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:19:49 | egotrippen | it works once you have Cygwin set up |
| 11:19:49 | B4gder | it should be made to if not |
| 11:19:57 | egotrippen | i spent a couple hours doing that the other day |
| 11:20:00 | B4gder | markun: there's only the stdout/stderr issue |
| 11:20:09 | B4gder | afaik |
| 11:20:25 | markun | and the KP_ENTER problem |
| 11:20:30 | amiconn | safetydan broke win32 and x11 for swcodec with his sdl sim sound fixes, and I am to blame for breaking all other bitmap targets :/ |
| 11:20:37 | Aditya | Cassandra: imperialism was like a double edged sword so cant say =) |
| 11:21:00 | Aditya | bad amiconn! bad! |
| 11:21:21 | amiconn | B4gder: sdl sim has the following disadvantages over win32 sim: |
| 11:21:37 | Cassandra | amiconn, let them die. |
| 11:21:38 | amiconn | (1) stdout/stderr not displayed live |
| 11:21:39 | safetydan | I tried to keep the win32 and X11 sims working, but they wouldn't link even after I copied the pcm stubs to their respective build dirs |
| 11:22:34 | Cassandra | Aditya, not something I know enough about to comment with much authority really. I think it's safe to say that without it, India wouldn't be nearly as developed as it is, but doubtless it's caused many other problems. |
| 11:23:10 | amiconn | (2) only integer-size zoom,zoom >1 disabless background, no live resize |
| 11:23:25 | amiconn | (3) keyboard mapping problems, namely KP_ENTER |
| 11:23:50 | B4gder | you actually think #2 is a problem? |
| 11:24:25 | safetydan | 2 is fixable if we either rely on another library (SDL_gfx) or wait for SDL 1.3/2.0 which should include a scaling blitter |
| 11:24:34 | B4gder | and isn't #3 just a matter of fixing the mapping? |
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| 11:25:06 | amiconn | (4) you need sdl.dll to run it |
| 11:25:16 | B4gder | and for #1, you can tail -f the output, can't you? |
| 11:25:24 | B4gder | (as a work-around until fixed) |
| 11:25:25 | amiconn | (only a problem if we want to offer them for download) |
| 11:26:06 | B4gder | amiconn: why is that a problem? |
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| 11:26:49 | safetydan | does static linking work under -mnocygwin? |
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| 11:27:39 | B4gder | besides, the win32 and x11 sims no longer work |
| 11:27:44 | B4gder | so nobody is using them |
| 11:28:01 | B4gder | and I only know one person who cares ;-) |
| 11:28:15 | amiconn | Well they work for player |
| 11:28:31 | amiconn | I used that to test my errno fixes |
| 11:28:49 | amiconn | ..crosscompiling the win32 sim on linux |
| 11:28:54 | LinusN | i only see (1) as a real problem |
| 11:29:14 | B4gder | I don't even see that as a "problem" but as a nuisance |
| 11:29:26 | LinusN | i like the debug bessages |
| 11:29:30 | LinusN | messages |
| 11:29:39 | B4gder | so can't you tail -f it? |
| 11:30:18 | amiconn | It's already a nuisance needing to start the sim from the cmdline |
| 11:30:31 | B4gder | amiconn: what? you a clicker person? |
| 11:30:32 | B4gder | wow |
| 11:30:34 | amiconn | I'd prefer double-clicking, but then I get no background... |
| 11:30:46 | B4gder | amiconn: why not set up a shortcut and use the proper argument? |
| 11:31:19 | LinusN | B4gder: no can do, you would need to use the keyboard to type the arguments in the properties box |
| 11:31:26 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:31:31 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 11:31:39 | amiconn | hrrhrr |
| 11:31:50 | amiconn | Clicking is usually faster than typing |
| 11:31:56 | B4gder | not for me |
| 11:31:59 | LinusN | me neither |
| 11:32:04 | amiconn | ..even with all those fancy completion thingies |
| 11:32:24 | B4gder | I'm in front of terminals and text editors, I don't have any icons in sight |
| 11:32:27 | LinusN | the mouse is 10-20 cm away from the keyboard |
| 11:32:43 | LinusN | so i would have to move the hand |
| 11:32:58 | B4gder | besides, how do you start gdb on the sim when double-clicking? ;-) |
| 11:33:06 | LinusN | that's really hard |
| 11:33:25 | markun | do you guys know http://www.archopen.org |
| 11:33:30 | B4gder | and I often invoke the sim over a network anyway so the icon wouldn't even be on my desk |
| 11:33:38 | LinusN | markun: yes we do |
| 11:33:39 | B4gder | markun: I checked it out |
| 11:33:44 | amiconn | B4gder: I do use cmds when I have to |
| 11:33:57 | amiconn | ..but I still prefer clicking |
| 11:34:12 | safetydan | B4gder, what is the network performance of the SDL sim like anyway? |
| 11:34:18 | B4gder | safetydan: painful |
| 11:34:27 | LinusN | in my case, starting the sim is just two or three presses of the up arrow to recall "./rockboxui.exe" from the cmdline history |
| 11:34:30 | amiconn | B4gder: I can use the sim over the network and still use clicking |
| 11:34:53 | B4gder | safetydan: I've used it over WLAN => ADSL => SSH => x11 and it is sloooooooooow |
| 11:34:54 | safetydan | B4gder, thought it might be... not sure if there's much that can be done since it will be sending pixmaps the whole time |
| 11:35:16 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:37:07 | Mikachu | there is a program that helps, but i forget what its name is |
| 11:37:43 | Mikachu | yay google, dxpc |
| 11:38:22 | amiconn | B4gder: I'm using it sometimes over ADSL => WLAN => RDP and it's bearable :) |
| 11:38:41 | safetydan | The NoMachine (NX) stuff is also good for X11 apps |
| 11:39:22 | amiconn | safetydan: I've read about NX. Now if I could find a debian package... |
| 11:39:37 | amiconn | (amd64) |
| 11:40:19 | safetydan | ah... the amd64 bit could be tricky |
| 11:42:29 | skwad | it this a new tag : %m|9|210| , tag from the experimental rockbox ? |
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| 11:42:51 | skwad | *is |
| 11:42:57 | B4gder | what does it do? |
| 11:43:34 | skwad | I don't know, in simulator it gives me de 9|210| written on the screen |
| 11:43:41 | skwad | *the |
| 11:44:14 | B4gder | if it isn't documented in the WPS wiki page, it is probably custom |
| 11:44:21 | skwad | ok |
| 11:44:35 | B4gder | possibly it is the scroll margin thing |
| 11:44:42 | egotrippen | yeah, it is |
| 11:44:49 | egotrippen | just checked |
| 11:45:26 | skwad | and this should work on the normal rockbox ? |
| 11:45:39 | egotrippen | no, optimized only |
| 11:45:50 | skwad | ok |
| 11:46:30 | egotrippen | the devs can tell you better than i can, but from what i understand they're going to change the WPS system in a way to make that unnecessary |
| 11:46:31 | egotrippen | eventually |
| 11:46:55 | skwad | ok |
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| 11:48:44 | skwad | it's amazing how 160 * 128 little is |
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| 11:49:10 | * | amiconn considers 160*128 quite large |
| 11:50:04 | * | skwad dont thinks so when he looks H300 wps |
| 11:50:06 | Cassandra | 320x240 is *huuuuuge* |
| 11:50:46 | amiconn | skwad: Try making a wps for archos recorder... |
| 11:50:49 | amiconn | 112*64 |
| 11:50:51 | skwad | ^ |
| 11:50:56 | skwad | ^^ |
| 11:51:09 | Cassandra | AFAIK I am the only person ever to create a graphical WPS that works on Archos. |
| 11:51:54 | * | Cassandra wonders if any Archos users use it. |
| 11:52:23 | LinusN | Cassandra: i think most archos users are blind :-) |
| 11:52:37 | amiconn | Cassandra: I checked it out once. Show less than half of the info that my wps shows |
| 11:54:21 | t0mas | LinusN: I think I agree with you... |
| 11:54:32 | t0mas | blind people need voice ui |
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| 11:54:41 | t0mas | so iriver H1xx or archos |
| 11:54:45 | webguest81 | hello |
| 11:54:56 | t0mas | and they don't care about color screens... so why buy a H3xx ? |
| 11:54:57 | * | amiconn followed the recommendation and made links for the sdl sims |
| 11:55:16 | Cassandra | amicon: Yeah, well, did you want pretty, or did you want fully featured? |
| 11:55:29 | webguest81 | just wanted to say I use rockbox on my ipod 4g grey lcd, and im really happy with it |
| 11:55:31 | amiconn | I prefer features any day |
| 11:55:33 | Cassandra | I actually get pretty much all the info I regard as essenital on screen. |
| 11:55:33 | webguest81 | great job peeps! |
| 11:55:39 | LinusN | webguest81: great |
| 11:55:43 | t0mas | tnx webguest81 |
| 11:56:06 | webguest81 | I also wanted to offer my services, I've noticed you're translating everything to many different la nguages, I can help with the french if you guys need a hand :) |
| 11:56:39 | Cassandra | We're always glad of help with the translations. They need updating quite often. |
| 11:56:58 | Mikachu | i assume the swedish one is already taken care of.. |
| 11:56:59 | webguest81 | yea i noticed that looking at daily builds logs :) |
| 11:57:50 | thegeek | I would help with the norwegian translation if I thought anyone actually used it;) |
| 11:58:04 | needleboy | http://rbh300.chendo.net/ is everone happy? |
| 11:58:09 | Mikachu | yeah those damn norwegians have their oil, they don't need daps |
| 11:58:17 | t0mas | webguest81: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile |
| 11:58:30 | t0mas | needleboy: cool logo |
| 11:58:42 | Cassandra | needleboy: no - now we'll have to find something else to whine about. |
| 11:58:42 | thegeek | haha |
| 11:58:53 | needleboy | êíê |
| 11:58:56 | needleboy | lol |
| 11:59:04 | LinusN | B4gder, amiconn: tail -f stderr.txt works just fine |
| 11:59:38 | webguest81 | do I send this back to someone when its done? |
| 11:59:59 | skwad | you send it on the patch tracker |
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| 12:00:01 | Cassandra | Please put it in the patch tracker. |
| 12:01:35 | webguest81 | I see, will do :) |
| 12:01:42 | webguest81 | should be ready sometime today |
| 12:02:05 | skwad | arg the progress bar is just moving by changing the fonts :S |
| 12:02:36 | JdGordon | by any chance, does returning NULL for the list_get_name list callback stop it from showing that item? |
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| 12:04:05 | JdGordon | doesnt look like it.. |
| 12:06:04 | skwad | my ipod wps is soon finished :p |
| 12:07:11 | Mikachu | what model? |
| 12:07:23 | skwad | it's for x5 |
| 12:07:44 | Mikachu | hrm, what's x5? |
| 12:08:14 | skwad | iaudio x5 |
| 12:08:49 | Mikachu | ah, an ipod style wps then |
| 12:09:24 | skwad | yep |
| 12:10:34 | * | safetydan actually uses the EQ for the first time |
| 12:12:21 | safetydan | How are people using +6db on 120Hz and not getting clipping? Yeesh. |
| 12:13:17 | Aditya | maybe they dont know what clipping is? =P |
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| 12:15:02 | safetydan | maybe an EQ "reset settings" option would be useful... |
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| 12:18:34 | t0mas | when was 2.4 released? |
| 12:18:42 | t0mas | end 2004? |
| 12:20:01 | B4gder | 2004-12-23 |
| 12:20:41 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 12:21:09 | t0mas | and 2.5? |
| 12:21:18 | B4gder | 2005-09-22 |
| 12:21:39 | t0mas | and will we release a 2.6 with iriver Hxxx support soon? |
| 12:21:50 | B4gder | I doubt that |
| 12:21:57 | B4gder | but it could be neat |
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| 12:27:11 | skwad | wasn't 2.5 for h320 ? |
| 12:27:15 | B4gder | no |
| 12:27:33 | muesli__ | high |
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| 12:34:36 | JdGordon | have we got debug in the sim yet? |
| 12:35:01 | B4gder | did you try tail -f on the file? |
| 12:35:20 | * | B4gder still hasn't heard a single cygwin user tried that |
| 12:35:34 | JdGordon | u talking to me? |
| 12:35:37 | B4gder | yes |
| 12:35:45 | B4gder | the debug output is saved in a fil |
| 12:35:46 | B4gder | e |
| 12:35:49 | JdGordon | which file? |
| 12:35:58 | B4gder | stdout something perhaps |
| 12:36:18 | JdGordon | um.. if its to stdout shouldnt it show in the cyg console? |
| 12:36:28 | B4gder | no |
| 12:36:32 | B4gder | the debug output is saved in a file |
| 12:36:36 | B4gder | not console |
| 12:36:53 | LinusN | stdout.txt and stderr.txt |
| 12:37:02 | LinusN | the debug info ends up in stderr.txt |
| 12:37:03 | JdGordon | AH... ok, cheers |
| 12:37:38 | LinusN | B4gder: i tried it 11:59, check the log |
| 12:37:49 | B4gder | ah, goodie |
| 12:37:51 | LinusN | works fine |
| 12:38:22 | B4gder | so that's at least a plausible work-around |
| 12:38:39 | LinusN | but i would of course prefer if we fixed it so it works as expected |
| 12:38:46 | B4gder | certainly |
| 12:39:06 | LinusN | unfortunately i don't care enough to fix it myself |
| 12:40:16 | B4gder | me neither, I don't care enough to install cygwin |
| 12:41:16 | skwad | is shuffle possible under rockbox ? |
| 12:41:23 | B4gder | yes indeed |
| 12:41:25 | LinusN | lo, yes |
| 12:41:27 | LinusN | lol |
| 12:41:38 | skwad | with mode button ? |
| 12:41:48 | LinusN | which platform? |
| 12:41:55 | skwad | x5 sim |
| 12:42:23 | LinusN | i don't know which x5 key it may be mapped to |
| 12:42:26 | skwad | but i think it's not available yet but I don't know if I implement a shuffle bitmap in the wps I'm doing or not |
| 12:42:33 | LinusN | you can toggle it in the playback settings |
| 12:42:39 | skwad | ok |
| 12:43:04 | skwad | nice it work's, thx LinusN |
| 12:46:54 | JdGordon | volume doesnt work in h300 sim (incase u didnt know).. and it crashed it |
| 12:48:18 | skwad | volume doesn't work either in x5 sim under cygwin |
| 12:49:30 | skwad | the option repeat -> shuffle is not the same as shuffle right ? |
| 12:49:54 | JdGordon | iiuc, repeat shuffle repeats the playlist after shuffling it when u get to the end |
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| 12:52:40 | safetydan | JdGordon, sound is agnostic of simulated target |
| 12:52:47 | safetydan | JdGordon, but it crashing under windows isn't odd |
| 12:52:57 | safetydan | Apparently I'm the only person that has it working in Windows |
| 12:53:07 | safetydan | Which makes it a bit hard for me to debug the issue |
| 12:53:08 | * | JdGordon would like the option to make it think its playing, but not actually play |
| 12:55:23 | amiconn | safetydan: Playback works for me on windows as well, but it's quite simple to make it crash - reproducably |
| 12:55:41 | amiconn | Just move the window around quickly while the sim is playing music |
| 12:58:06 | JdGordon | w000t... almost got the search in playlist working |
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| 13:04:51 | safetydan | amiconn, haven't had a chance to reboot in to windows since you mentioned that unfortunately |
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| 13:08:05 | JdGordon | fuck.. my h300 just fell of my desk while playying :'( |
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| 13:22:36 | JdGordon | LinusN: ive finished the search in playlist.. wanna have a look? |
| 13:22:56 | LinusN | sure |
| 13:23:11 | JdGordon | just making sure the patch is normal... |
| 13:23:39 | mikearthur | which uses more battery/cpu for decoding, MP3 or OGG? |
| 13:24:04 | | Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 13:24:21 | Nico_P | mikearthur: ogg |
| 13:24:27 | mikearthur | Nico_P: cheers |
| 13:24:44 | amiconn | mikearthur: Depends on your player |
| 13:24:53 | mikearthur | iRiver |
| 13:24:54 | amiconn | On iriver, ogg is more demanding than mp3 |
| 13:24:56 | mikearthur | ihp140 |
| 13:24:59 | mikearthur | ok, cheers |
| 13:25:02 | amiconn | On iPod it's the opposite |
| 13:25:15 | mikearthur | out of interest, how come? |
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| 13:25:21 | mikearthur | iPod got a FPU or something? |
| 13:25:21 | Nico_P | amiconn: because tremor is better optimised for AMR ? |
| 13:25:29 | amiconn | yup |
| 13:25:33 | mikearthur | cunning |
| 13:26:12 | mikearthur | I think my next mp3 player will be an iPod, just because of Rockbox's awesomeness :d |
| 13:26:15 | * | amiconn would expect mr. codec optimiser to do his magic for libmad on arm |
| 13:26:16 | mikearthur | :D even |
| 13:26:28 | amiconn | preglow? |
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| 13:27:01 | JdGordon | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4759 |
| 13:27:05 | Nico_P | and what about libfaad on coldifre ? :D |
| 13:27:52 | JdGordon | ah.. on no.... grr... there is 2 tabs in the patch.. sorry :'( (line 174 of the patch is 2 tabs instead of 8 spaces) |
| 13:28:17 | B4gder | suggestion: get a decent text editor |
| 13:28:17 | LinusN | JdGordon: something tells me that you haven't run your patch on target |
| 13:28:26 | JdGordon | i have... |
| 13:28:28 | JdGordon | y? |
| 13:29:03 | B4gder | and |
| 13:29:17 | B4gder | NEVER EVER add strings in the lang file in any other place than last |
| 13:29:29 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 13:29:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: i've seen you talk about amd64 in the logs... is possible to build an m68k toolchain with it now ? |
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| 13:29:45 | * | JdGordon is asleep... and is allowed some stupid mistakes once in a while :p |
| 13:29:49 | B4gder | due to the order being important |
| 13:30:22 | B4gder | the "rules" are mentioned in top of english.lang |
| 13:30:49 | JdGordon | haha rules.. they tent to get missed when you just jump to the end |
| 13:31:08 | B4gder | obviously |
| 13:31:13 | JdGordon | sorry... |
| 13:31:23 | LinusN | JdGordon: sorry, my mistake about the "something tells me..." |
| 13:32:23 | JdGordon | something is wierd tho... i just put it ont he player, and the wps context menu isnt correct |
| 13:32:31 | JdGordon | no, wait... its the lang file isnt it! |
| 13:32:45 | * | JdGordon will never ever add to the middle of *.lang... ever |
| 13:32:48 | B4gder | hehe |
| 13:32:58 | * | JdGordon is uploading a new patch |
| 13:33:39 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/?getfile=11009 is the new patch |
| 13:33:56 | JdGordon | no, ignore that |
| 13:34:03 | B4gder | you have dir cache enabled, don't you? |
| 13:34:03 | JdGordon | fuck... i really need sleep |
| 13:34:32 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:34:33 | B4gder | I can see how that patch will *chew* the harddisk otherwise |
| 13:35:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: also, you need to extend the items[] and args[] arrays in onplay.c |
| 13:35:37 | JdGordon | meh, so turn on cache :) |
| 13:35:57 | B4gder | JdGordon: and for devices that can't? ;-) |
| 13:36:04 | JdGordon | umm... |
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| 13:36:12 | B4gder | its not really a complaint |
| 13:36:18 | B4gder | just an observation |
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| 13:36:32 | LinusN | otherwise, i like that patch |
| 13:36:39 | skwad | my sim is suddenly totally bugging :S |
| 13:36:48 | B4gder | JdGordon: switch off the cache and try it |
| 13:37:12 | * | JdGordon is giving the flyspray a workout :) |
| 13:37:16 | B4gder | getting each track name one by one from disk... |
| 13:37:19 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/?getfile=11011 |
| 13:37:26 | LinusN | and search in a large playlist |
| 13:37:35 | B4gder | it'll take *ages* |
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| 13:37:44 | B4gder | seek mania |
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| 13:37:53 | JdGordon | ok, we can disable it if dircahce isnt on |
| 13:37:57 | JdGordon | or just leave it? |
| 13:38:03 | LinusN | it will work fine with in-ram playlists |
| 13:38:12 | B4gder | true |
| 13:38:35 | JdGordon | are .m3u's copyed to ram when they r loaded? |
| 13:38:45 | * | LinusN bans JdGordon from the patch tracker ;-) |
| 13:38:50 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:38:51 | LinusN | JdGordon: no |
| 13:38:52 | JdGordon | i tihnk u should |
| 13:38:56 | B4gder | imho, the search should be done in the .m3u file directly |
| 13:39:07 | LinusN | B4gder: no can do |
| 13:39:20 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/?getfile=11012 |
| 13:39:25 | B4gder | yes you can, although not exactly like this |
| 13:39:28 | JdGordon | sorry... not using a clean tree :'( |
| 13:39:38 | LinusN | B4gder: not if you have inserted/queued any files |
| 13:40:08 | B4gder | yes, that would a limitation |
| 13:40:20 | B4gder | but it would be faster |
| 13:40:23 | * | LinusN spots foul language in the tracker |
| 13:40:37 | JdGordon | its a nono?? |
| 13:40:46 | * | JdGordon is getting annoyed with self |
| 13:40:49 | LinusN | just messing with you |
| 13:41:09 | B4gder | I deleted the older ones |
| 13:41:23 | XavierGr | LOL JdGordon! |
| 13:41:25 | * | LinusN gets some black goo in a cup |
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| 13:43:27 | amiconn | Nico_P: Unfortunately not. I tried several things, but it still ICEs |
| 13:43:40 | Nico_P | :( |
| 13:44:04 | amiconn | Building the arm toolchain works, as does the SH toolchain |
| 13:44:28 | amiconn | Building for archos isn't possible yet, because uclpack has 64bit problems |
| 13:45:03 | amiconn | Simulators build, but not everything works. There's a bunch of datatype size issues to fix |
| 13:45:46 | Nico_P | ok |
| 13:46:00 | JdGordon | so.. ye... any chance of inclusion? |
| 13:48:39 | amiconn | Nico_P: One problem after the other, I'd say. IÄll file a gcc bug report if there isn't one already |
| 13:48:48 | amiconn | *I'll |
| 13:49:27 | Nico_P | let's hope it'll be fixed |
| 13:49:36 | Nico_P | i'm getting tired of cygwin... |
| 13:49:42 | amiconn | Well it seems to affect all versions |
| 13:49:48 | amiconn | I tried 3.4.5 and 4.0.2 |
| 13:50:07 | amiconn | I will try 4.1.0 and 3.3.6 as well |
| 13:51:09 | skwad | somebody gave a link yesterday to make a code copy, so I would not flood in the chat |
| 13:51:33 | B4gder | pastebin.com is nice |
| 13:51:49 | skwad | ok thx |
| 13:53:34 | skwad | if somebody could have a look in my wps : http://pastebin.com/578264 ::: the hold picture won't display |
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| 14:04:41 | amiconn | Nico_P: ICE for both gcc 3.3.6 and 4.1.0 as well :( |
| 14:05:38 | Nico_P | :( |
| 14:05:50 | Nico_P | then we just have to wait i presume |
| 14:06:08 | B4gder | I don |
| 14:06:16 | B4gder | t think waiting helps without a bug report |
| 14:06:27 | Nico_P | amiconn said he had filed one |
| 14:06:27 | B4gder | clearly they're not very m68k-centric |
| 14:06:30 | B4gder | ah |
| 14:06:34 | amiconn | I *will* |
| 14:06:37 | * | B4gder shuts up |
| 14:07:44 | Nico_P | i'm beginning to consider installing a non AMD64 linux version on my AMD64... |
| 14:08:13 | Nico_P | too much things not working properly |
| 14:09:26 | preglow | amiconn: yes? |
| 14:10:38 | markun | preglow: he wanted to know if you'll optimize libmad for arm |
| 14:10:51 | JdGordon | yay... finally got solitaire out... bed time |
| 14:10:53 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 14:11:42 | skwad | good night :S |
| 14:12:00 | JdGordon | *couph* some1 commit it ! :D |
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| 14:14:16 | B4gder | that search can be made faster |
| 14:14:17 | preglow | markun: libmad is already pretty optimised for arm |
| 14:14:23 | B4gder | with boyer-moore or similar |
| 14:14:51 | preglow | but more can be done, of course, it's too slow as it is |
| 14:15:05 | skwad | is there a hold button mapped for the x5 sim ? |
| 14:15:21 | B4gder | how does rockbox's mp3 playback compare to IPL's (podzilla?) mp3 playback? |
| 14:15:28 | preglow | in what way? |
| 14:15:39 | preglow | their codec is very optimised for arm already |
| 14:15:45 | B4gder | ah, right |
| 14:15:47 | preglow | so beats ours right out |
| 14:15:48 | Mikachu | didn't they switch to mpd? |
| 14:15:49 | B4gder | they use the helix one? |
| 14:15:50 | preglow | helix... |
| 14:15:53 | B4gder | hheh |
| 14:15:59 | B4gder | not so very picky on license |
| 14:16:01 | preglow | i've been drooling over those for a while |
| 14:16:15 | preglow | the aac decoder in particular looks nice |
| 14:16:53 | Nico_P | and aac is still not working on h300... :( |
| 14:17:12 | Nico_P | is there really no way of having helix in rockbox ? |
| 14:17:27 | B4gder | I don't think so |
| 14:18:42 | Nico_P | hmm too bad |
| 14:18:54 | Nico_P | and no one wants to optimise libfaad... |
| 14:19:02 | Nico_P | i wish i knew how to |
| 14:19:53 | muesli__ | needleboy just of curiosity..why is the h300 lcd remote such a bitch? |
| 14:21:06 | preglow | libfaad is too bloated :/ |
| 14:21:19 | preglow | and memory hungry, apparently |
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| 14:22:27 | Nico_P | what if helix was ported to rockbox in an unofficial manner ? |
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| 14:26:14 | B4gder | you mean if you just ignore the license? sure you can do that |
| 14:27:13 | preglow | hahah |
| 14:27:23 | preglow | no problem at all, we just can't bundle it |
| 14:27:43 | preglow | we've always taken the licensing issue seriously, and won't stop now |
| 14:27:44 | preglow | brb |
| 14:27:57 | Nico_P | that's what i tought |
| 14:28:30 | skwad_ | my ipod wps for x5 is ready :D |
| 14:30:00 | * | aegray explodes |
| 14:31:04 | Nico_P | aegray: what ? |
| 14:31:11 | aegray | hehe wrong one |
| 14:31:18 | * | aegray needs to learn irssi a little better |
| 14:31:25 | Nico_P | :p |
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| 14:31:52 | B4gder | hey |
| 14:32:01 | B4gder | they do offer helix stuff under GPL |
| 14:32:09 | LinusN | really? |
| 14:32:21 | B4gder | https://helixcommunity.org/content/licenses |
| 14:33:55 | merbanan | B4gder: well it's the actual license of the decoders that is important |
| 14:34:20 | B4gder | yes, it wasn't clear to me what parts that were covered |
| 14:34:41 | B4gder | I thought "helix player" would include decoders |
| 14:37:07 | merbanan | still under RCSL/RPSL |
| 14:37:14 | merbanan | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec |
| 14:44:00 | Nico_P | is lostlogic the only one who can help me with album art and the audio buffer ? |
| 14:44:54 | amiconn | LinusN: Your fix means the viewer will only display iso8859-1 correctly now, right? |
| 14:45:14 | LinusN | amiconn: it will display according to the default codepage |
| 14:45:22 | amiconn | ah |
| 14:45:29 | LinusN | but it can't read utf8 files properly |
| 14:45:55 | LinusN | not that it could before my fix either :-) |
| 14:47:26 | LinusN | i can't really figure out how to browse the helix web |
| 14:48:00 | amiconn | markun: What happened to multi-codepage support for the viewer? |
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| 14:49:30 | LinusN | all of the helis projects were registered in 1969 and haven't been active since... :-) |
| 14:49:33 | LinusN | helox |
| 14:49:35 | LinusN | helix |
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| 14:53:12 | markun | amiconn: still sits here unfinished on my HD.. |
| 14:53:50 | markun | amiconn: but now that I don't have to fix the conflicts my gigabeat changes were causing I could work on it again. |
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| 14:57:47 | LinusN | markun: i didn't know you worked on that |
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| 14:58:47 | markun | LinusN: phaedrus did almost all of the work, but he emailed it to me and told me he didn't have time to work on it anymore |
| 14:59:21 | LinusN | i see |
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| 15:06:39 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 15:06:46 | Bg3r | hi, Jungti1234 |
| 15:07:08 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 15:07:28 | Jungti1234 | needleboy |
| 15:08:20 | Jungti1234 | viewer does support unicode now? |
| 15:10:12 | Bg3r | no |
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| 15:13:47 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 15:14:46 | Jungti1234 | Why is its name 'H300 Experimental'? |
| 15:15:08 | Jungti1234 | -> Why its name is 'Experimental'? |
| 15:15:55 | Bg3r | because it's not "optimised" |
| 15:16:36 | Jungti1234 | Only, did turn name? |
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| 15:21:39 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 15:22:19 | Jungti1234 | I see... |
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| 15:24:43 | Paprica | mm |
| 15:24:59 | Paprica | can someone take a look on that: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/rockcalendar.c |
| 15:25:08 | Paprica | it works perfectly on the simulato |
| 15:25:08 | Paprica | r |
| 15:25:33 | Paprica | but in the player its stuck up on the start |
| 15:25:43 | Paprica | help? =\ |
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| 15:27:28 | Bg3r | stuck up ? |
| 15:27:35 | Paprica | lol |
| 15:27:36 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:27:42 | Paprica | i dont know how to say |
| 15:27:42 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:28:12 | Paprica | not working... |
| 15:28:18 | Jungti1234 | yes.. :) |
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| 15:28:41 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 15:28:45 | Bg3r | Paprica not working like? |
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| 15:29:19 | Paprica | not working.. i need to push on the reset button |
| 15:29:19 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:29:54 | Bg3r | try some logf-ing |
| 15:36:53 | Paprica | wtf, i cant do stop on the simulator |
| 15:36:55 | Paprica | =\ |
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| 15:37:08 | amiconn | cygwin? |
| 15:37:16 | Paprica | yep |
| 15:37:20 | Paprica | but SDL SIM |
| 15:37:26 | amiconn | The SDL sim currently has that problem on cygwin |
| 15:37:31 | Paprica | blah |
| 15:37:32 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:37:53 | amiconn | I don't understand why; numpad_enter is mapped to stop, but doesn't werk... |
| 15:39:02 | Paprica | in linux it works fine? |
| 15:39:29 | LinusN | Paprica: struct calendar is nearly 50kbytes |
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| 15:39:40 | Bg3r | ah |
| 15:39:46 | LinusN | you don't want that on the stack |
| 15:40:00 | Paprica | balh |
| 15:40:04 | Paprica | what i need to do |
| 15:40:04 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:40:07 | Paprica | ? |
| 15:40:10 | Bg3r | Paprica make it global |
| 15:40:14 | LinusN | make it global |
| 15:40:19 | Bg3r | define it out of a func |
| 15:40:40 | LinusN | and then you don't have to pass the pointer around |
| 15:40:46 | LinusN | like you do now |
| 15:41:04 | Paprica | ok |
| 15:41:13 | Bg3r | (except if you use more than 1 instance of this struct...) |
| 15:41:42 | LinusN | Bg3r: i doubt it |
| 15:42:37 | amiconn | The struct is too large for archos anyway |
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| 15:43:25 | LinusN | amiconn: and this plugin only runs on h300 |
| 15:44:44 | amiconn | Any specific reason for this? |
| 15:45:02 | Paprica | LinusN, and ipod |
| 15:45:06 | Paprica | color... |
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| 15:46:02 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 15:46:05 | Paprica | mm no way to add this plugin to the cvs? |
| 15:46:05 | LinusN | i bet we can make it work on all platforms |
| 15:46:06 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:46:13 | amiconn | Btw, there already is a calendar plugin... |
| 15:46:17 | Paprica | i know |
| 15:46:19 | Paprica | for archos |
| 15:46:32 | LinusN | Paprica: no, for rockbox |
| 15:46:33 | amiconn | It should work for all rtc-enabled units |
| 15:46:38 | Paprica | haha =] |
| 15:47:05 | LinusN | there is no need for two calendar plugins |
| 15:47:20 | amiconn | #if defined(HAVE_LCD_BITMAP) && defined(CONFIG_RTC) |
| 15:47:23 | LinusN | one of them would have to go |
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| 15:48:43 | amiconn | It seems that just the variable button mapping is missing |
| 15:49:02 | LinusN | and the handling of different screen sizes, i guess |
| 15:49:18 | amiconn | I didn't bother to do this back when I converted most plugins to work on Ondio; back then there were only the recorders with an rtc |
| 15:50:05 | amiconn | Variable button mapping would be a first step |
| 15:51:24 | Paprica | grrrr |
| 15:51:31 | Paprica | dont work with global variable |
| 15:51:32 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:51:43 | Paprica | aff why =\ |
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| 16:20:36 | markun | Is the webserver down? |
| 16:20:59 | markun | works again.. |
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| 16:25:44 | amiconn | LinusN: Is your v1 battery charging patch in the tracker? |
| 16:26:05 | LinusN | it's in the tracker, but it's not mine |
| 16:26:48 | amiconn | Hmm? Then I might have confused something |
| 16:27:30 | amiconn | I know that jerry's improvements are alraedy in cvs, but they don't seem to fix all problems |
| 16:29:06 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2927 |
| 16:31:33 | LinusN | gotta go |
| 16:31:35 | LinusN | cu |
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| 16:35:37 | tucoz | markun: are you here? |
| 16:37:29 | tucoz | markun: anyway. I noticed that the portuguese lang file contain a utf-8 marker. Should that be there? I noticed that you removed that from the french file some time ago. |
| 16:38:37 | markun | tucoz: I don't know if it should be there. |
| 16:38:49 | markun | If binlang doesn't complain I guess it's not a problem |
| 16:38:59 | tucoz | ok, I wouldn't know. |
| 16:41:18 | markun | tucoz: it just looks a bit strange in the diff |
| 16:41:54 | tucoz | Yes, Maybe binlang just looks for the LANG strings and regards the rest as whitespace. |
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| 16:49:48 | Paprica | can someone check it now? http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/rockcalendar.c |
| 16:50:00 | Paprica | the player is freeze after the line rb->splash(0,true,"Loading Data..."); |
| 16:52:41 | godzirra | Heya folks. |
| 16:52:53 | godzirra | Any progress on battery meter for ipod videos? |
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| 16:59:28 | godzirra | Anyone have any idea? :) |
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| 17:00:42 | petur | godzirra: I don't think there's any ipod dev around atm... |
| 17:02:01 | godzirra | Ok. I wasnt sure if there was anything to look at other than the cvs logs. |
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| 17:04:37 | Paprica | petur, could you take a look on this? http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/rockcalendar.c |
| 17:08:27 | godzirra | Is there any sort of autoresume? |
| 17:08:34 | godzirra | I had it on my h120 but dont remember how to enable it. |
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| 17:14:34 | petur | Paprica: had a short look... I don't know if you should use the plugin buffer to store the calendar struct as it's a bit over 51KB |
| 17:15:50 | Paprica | what i need to od? |
| 17:16:46 | petur | haven't written any real plugin yet, can't help you there |
| 17:16:59 | Paprica | =\ |
| 17:17:08 | Paprica | thanks anyway |
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| 17:26:06 | Paprica | Hi needleboy |
| 17:34:33 | Paprica | YEAH!! working =] |
| 17:37:46 | petur | Paprica: what was it? |
| 17:38:35 | Paprica | huh, dont know |
| 17:38:50 | petur | not good... |
| 17:38:55 | Paprica | but it's working, and im happy |
| 17:38:57 | Paprica | =] |
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| 18:05:56 | jlo | hi all |
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| 18:13:50 | preglow | jlo: hiya, i don't have time to look at crossfeed right now, but i'll let you know when i do |
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| 18:14:48 | jlo | OK thanks, I thought to put apost on the forum so people can test and let us know, what you think ? |
| 18:15:45 | preglow | i think it sounds like a good idea |
| 18:17:39 | jlo | preglow :OK I'll do it, so we will have feedback , you've seen that I did the job with only one EQ per channel (2nd order) |
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| 18:18:46 | preglow | and it uses the same filter coefs for both channels, i take it? |
| 18:19:13 | jlo | preglow : yes yes yes |
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| 18:20:33 | preglow | then we'll be fine |
| 18:21:19 | preglow | hmm, we'll still need a temporary buffer, though |
| 18:21:55 | jlo | preglow : that's your job ! |
| 18:22:16 | crashd | evening kids |
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| 18:23:23 | jlo | preglow : test the plugin, you'll see how it's easy to set the parameters but i think those have to be in the same config file than the EQ |
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| 18:25:26 | preglow | dinnerme |
| 18:25:38 | jlo | preglow : i'll let you work now, just mail me when you'll work on it, bye |
| 18:29:44 | Nico_P | lostlogic: r u there ? |
| 18:29:52 | lostlogic | Nico_P: no? for now... |
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| 18:30:24 | Nico_P | it's about moving album art to the audio buffer... |
| 18:30:49 | jlo | bye everybody |
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| 18:32:14 | lostlogic | Nico_P: ... do I know something about this? |
| 18:32:25 | Nico_P | not much |
| 18:32:42 | Nico_P | even almost nothing |
| 18:33:19 | lostlogic | Nico_P: so what do you want to ask me? :) |
| 18:33:51 | Nico_P | where to start... what do i have to look for ? |
| 18:33:55 | Nico_P | how hard would it be |
| 18:34:19 | Nico_P | is it worth me trying considering i'm quite a n00b at rockbox coding ? |
| 18:35:16 | lostlogic | Where to start: playback.c code relating to filling the audio buffer, what to look for: how codecs get stored on the buffer and how their locations are accounted for, how hard will it be: harder than I want to tackle anytime soon, is it worth trying: Of course, anything's worth trying, at the worst, you'll learn something and have some fun! |
| 18:38:14 | Nico_P | ok i'm looking |
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| 18:54:54 | Nico_P | how can i see the logf messages ? |
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| 19:09:04 | Nico_P | hello ? |
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| 19:30:17 | petur | I think somebody messed with the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/IpodPort |
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| 20:30:23 | IcyStorM | Hello guys |
| 20:30:48 | * | amiconn got a really crazy idea how it could be possible to build m68k-elf-gcc for amd64 |
| 20:30:50 | IcyStorM | Checkout this: http://encyclopodia.sourceforge.net/en/ is it possible to port this to Rockbox making it runnable on the iPod Video |
| 20:32:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: If it's open source, and you wanted to port it, I'm sure you could. |
| 20:32:42 | amiconn | I'll try to cross-compile the crosscompiler with a crosscompiler :) |
| 20:32:52 | Paprica | where is the source @@ |
| 20:32:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Do eeeeet |
| 20:33:19 | x1jmp | you can get the source from sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id |
| 20:33:19 | BHSPitLappy | woah |
| 20:33:38 | amiconn | i.e. first build an x86_64 crosscompiler on 32bit linux, and then try to crosscompile the m68k crosscompiler for x86_64 with that |
| 20:33:51 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: that thing's a podzilla |
| 20:34:17 | * | amiconn got this idea because gcc's configure knows about 3 systems - the host, the target, and the build system |
| 20:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Yeah, but you could strip the functional code out of it (the stuff that reads/searches/interprets the .epodia file) and create a replacement UI using the availably Rockbox plugin api. |
| 20:35:22 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 20:36:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Sounds like it might even work. |
| 20:36:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: He just asked "Is it possible." It's definitely possible. |
| 20:36:28 | BHSPitLappy | I know |
| 20:36:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, probably not "fun" |
| 20:36:43 | BHSPitLappy | this guy should start migrating toward a podzilla2 module :P |
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| 20:39:27 | webguest40 | anybody seen the ipodport page lately? |
| 20:39:37 | skwad | yep |
| 20:40:35 | webguest40 | who's got the power to revert it? |
| 20:40:58 | skwad | just look at the email adress of the guy who modified it ........... |
| 20:42:19 | IcyStorM | Are any guy here willing to compile iPod Encyclopedia to rockbox? |
| 20:42:20 | | Quit Ed_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 20:42:24 | IcyStorM | Is any guy |
| 20:42:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorm: It'd take more work than just recompiling it. Why not start porting it yourself, if you're interested in it? |
| 20:43:06 | webguest40 | what language is the source? |
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| 20:43:54 | IcyStorM | I dont know anything about compiling.. I'm a big newb. I dont know any programming language. I know a very little bit HTML but thats not going to help :( |
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| 20:44:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: Well, you could pick up some online tutorials on C, and learn it. I mean, Wikipedia is a little bit out of the focus of what Rockbox is. |
| 20:45:07 | webguest40 | i've always wondered why rockbox isn't written in c++, isnt oop supposed to be fantastic ? |
| 20:45:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And since you can dual boot with iPodlinux anyway, why not just boot in it when you want to look something up? |
| 20:45:34 | IcyStorM | If you help me install iPL on iPod video, yes |
| 20:45:40 | Mikachu | only crazy people write OSes in c++ |
| 20:45:51 | IcyStorM | They do not oficially support it and nobody tells how to do. |
| 20:46:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: Well, that'd be something to ask them about then. |
| 20:46:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | But Rockbox is music playing firmware, not really an operating system as Linux is. |
| 20:46:33 | webguest40 | Mikachu: how come? |
| 20:46:39 | IcyStorM | Rockbock is. |
| 20:47:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is what? |
| 20:47:22 | IcyStorM | Why you port things like Doom and Gameboy emulator if Rockbox is just for playing music. But I understand you dont wanna compile. You absolutly dont have to. Thanks for your answers anyway ;) |
| 20:47:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorm: Doom and Rockboy weren't ported as the mainstream Rockbox project. They were ported by people like you who showed an interest and either had or developed the skills necessary to add them in. |
| 20:48:21 | IcyStorM | Okay. |
| 20:48:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could also call attention to Rockbox to the authors of that wikipedia project. |
| 20:49:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's possible that *they* might want to make their project available on more MP3 players than just iPods and making it a Rockbox plugin would do that rather well |
| 20:49:04 | IcyStorM | Yeah that's a good idea |
| 20:50:15 | amiconn | LinusN: r u around? |
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| 20:51:48 | * | petur repeats his observation that somebody messed with the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/IpodPort |
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| 20:53:24 | amiconn | petur: Everyone with wiki access could revert it, however, afaik it is best to do directly on the server in order to prevent keeping this messed state in the page history |
| 20:53:45 | petur | amiconn: that's what I thought... |
| 20:54:23 | petur | I didn't find a way to reverse it |
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| 20:57:35 | amiconn | petur: The easiest way: View specific revision, switch to raw view (note: don't use the 'view raw' link at the bottom; it is broken and would switch back to the latest revision. Just add &raw=on to the url when viewing the correct revision.) |
| 20:57:57 | amiconn | Then mark all text in the box and copy it (Ctrl-A Ctrl-C) |
| 20:58:19 | amiconn | Go back to latest, Edit, mark & delete all, insert clipboard and save. |
| 20:59:09 | petur | thanks but I had figured that already ;) but that will keep it in the history... mayby Linus or B4gder come along tonight... |
| 20:59:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:59:26 | amiconn | That would be like a cvs revert |
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| 21:02:29 | Nico_P | guys, how does logf() work ? |
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| 21:03:09 | amiconn | Nico_P: logf() writes to a ram buffer, and to the remote lcd in parallel (on iriver) |
| 21:03:17 | linuxstb | You need to enable logf support when you compile Rockbox (select "Debug" instead of Normal, then select logf) |
| 21:03:23 | Aditya_ | omg look |
| 21:03:27 | amiconn | You can view the ram buffer from the debug menu, and/or save it to disk |
| 21:03:59 | Nico_P | ok thanks |
| 21:04:04 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Unless you're debugging a bug that only appears on the target, it's much easier to use the sim. |
| 21:04:11 | linuxstb | (IMO) |
| 21:04:34 | Nico_P | do the logf() messages appear soewhere in the sim ? |
| 21:05:10 | linuxstb | Good question. I would hope so, but DEBUGF is normally used in the sim. |
| 21:05:29 | linuxstb | I'm guessing you want to see the logfs that the audio playback system writes? |
| 21:05:33 | Nico_P | i'm looking at the playback engine and it's full of logf() messages which would help me figure out how it works |
| 21:05:38 | Nico_P | exactly |
| 21:06:07 | amiconn | whoa |
| 21:06:36 | linuxstb | whoa? |
| 21:06:41 | Nico_P | and how does DEBUGF work ? i never saw these messages appear anywhere... |
| 21:06:42 | amiconn | Compiling an x86_64 crosscompiler literally eats ram |
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| 21:07:08 | amiconn | ...and my debian vm started swapping like mad |
| 21:07:52 | linuxstb | Nico_P: It only works in the sim (or on a modified Archos device I think). |
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| 21:08:13 | amiconn | DEBUGF() works in the sim and for debug builds |
| 21:08:29 | amiconn | Debug builds work on archos and (afaik) iFP 7xx |
| 21:08:33 | Nico_P | and where can i see the messages ? |
| 21:08:55 | linuxstb | Are you using the SDL sim under Windows? |
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| 21:09:16 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes |
| 21:09:26 | linuxstb | I think it writes to a file called stderr.txt |
| 21:09:42 | amiconn | bleh :( Building an x86_64 crosscompiler failed |
| 21:09:55 | amiconn | I'll try a different version... |
| 21:11:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: there is an stderr.txt file |
| 21:11:13 | Nico_P | i'd never seen it |
| 21:11:19 | amiconn | stderr.txt and stdout.txt |
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| 21:23:41 | Paprica | http://pastebin.com/578955 |
| 21:23:47 | Paprica | why isnt it working? |
| 21:28:11 | petur | are you sure the buffer isn't unicode? |
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| 21:29:18 | Paprica | this is the buffer dnasj|dsad| |
| 21:30:11 | petur | and what do you get? |
| 21:30:42 | Paprica | not respond simulator |
| 21:35:21 | Paprica | ? |
| 21:36:10 | petur | sorry, I suck at multitasking ;) |
| 21:36:31 | Paprica | =\ |
| 21:37:14 | Nico_P | petur: weren't you working on USB host ? |
| 21:37:38 | Nico_P | i think i remember you talking about it a few days ago... |
| 21:37:47 | petur | will resume that shortly... |
| 21:38:08 | Nico_P | ah so i remembered well :) |
| 21:38:38 | Nico_P | what progress did you manage to make ? |
| 21:39:01 | petur | none: I don't succeed in accessing the chip |
| 21:39:18 | Nico_P | ok |
| 21:39:22 | petur | so I'm looking at the disassembly of the original firmware |
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| 21:42:33 | petur | Paprica: shouldn't that be cl.note[cl.notes_count - 1] ? |
| 21:42:51 | Paprica | whu? |
| 21:42:55 | Paprica | why? |
| 21:43:05 | Paprica | it working well without the strchr |
| 21:43:05 | Paprica | =\ |
| 21:43:05 | Nico_P | index starts at zero.. |
| 21:43:09 | petur | because array indexes start counting at 0 |
| 21:43:13 | petur | heh |
| 21:43:26 | Paprica | nono its not an index problem |
| 21:43:30 | petur | so if you have 1 element, it will be at 0 |
| 21:43:38 | Paprica | hihi |
| 21:43:41 | Paprica | i know that |
| 21:43:44 | petur | ok |
| 21:44:02 | Paprica | im no *that* noob |
| 21:44:21 | Paprica | not* |
| 21:44:22 | Paprica | =] |
| 21:44:59 | petur | I never write code like that, using buffer pointers to calculate length is not portable (you assume 1 char == 1 byte) -> not unicode compatible |
| 21:50:05 | Aditya_ | pssh |
| 21:50:09 | Aditya_ | who cares about unicode |
| 21:51:11 | petur | well rockbox is in unicode, but I don't know if it's completely or partial... |
| 21:55:13 | * | amiconn slaps gcc |
| 21:55:51 | petur | amiconn: why do you want to go 64bit anyway? |
| 21:56:42 | amiconn | Well, I have an amd64 box. Why should I limit it to 32bit? |
| 21:57:04 | petur | there's no performance gain or other advantage atm |
| 21:57:09 | amiconn | Plus, my current problem happens on i686 |
| 21:57:37 | amiconn | Building an x86_64 crosscompiler fails because of an undeclared function (!!) |
| 21:58:26 | petur | heh... slap gcc again for me ;) |
| 21:58:36 | amiconn | 64bit has a slight performance advantage on amd64 btw |
| 21:58:44 | amiconn | ..but that's not my main reason |
| 21:59:01 | petur | does it, I remember reading an article stating this isn't |
| 21:59:29 | petur | but I didn't store it in nvram |
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| 22:03:16 | amiconn | petur: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272321 |
| 22:03:33 | amiconn | "amd64 defaults to 64bit binaries because of the performance benefits it offers in 64bit mode" |
| 22:07:15 | petur | amiconn: my mem partially returned: it was some gaming benchmark - could very well be that the apps were'n quite optimized for 64bit |
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| 22:08:35 | petur | you're right... http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1665&page=6 |
| 22:08:55 | amiconn | crap! |
| 22:09:27 | * | amiconn kicks gcc |
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| 22:37:18 | petur | is rockbox shutdown buttonpress also seen by the app as BUTTON_OFF | BUTTON_REPEAT ? |
| 22:38:44 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:39:06 | amiconn | Standard button repeat kicks in before shutdown |
| 22:39:13 | petur | so I can do some cleanup then |
| 22:39:26 | petur | great... |
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| 22:41:50 | petur | can't we put common key defines ouside the #ifdef target blocks? |
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| 22:46:37 | petur | amiconn: what's f2_rec_screen and f3_rec_screen? |
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| 22:48:04 | petur | are they context menus? |
| 22:48:08 | midkay_ | petur, F2/F3 screens for recording |
| 22:50:11 | amiconn | F2 and F3 screens are the so called "quick screens" |
| 22:50:32 | petur | ok |
| 22:50:40 | amiconn | On iriver we have one quickscreen |
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| 23:43:59 | cool2bdave | Hi all, I have been working on the id3 tag Lyrics patch. I would like to make an aray structure of lyrics lines and time. There is not enough memory allocated to id3.c to do this (I need probably up to 32k). How do I increase the allocated memory? |
| 23:45:02 | cool2bdave | Bluechip suggested using wps as it has plenty of memory. I could do, but it would be much easier in id3.c |
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| 23:54:36 | Bagder | when are the lyrics loaded? |
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| 23:54:41 | Bagder | then the song is? |
| 23:54:43 | Bagder | when |
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| 23:55:17 | Bagder | I mean, if you load 5 songs with lyrics, it will keep all lyrics in mem, right? |
| 23:56:10 | cool2bdave | Currently I extract them to a text file to be read by the viewer as it is the best we have to view text |
| 23:56:24 | cool2bdave | my next project is for wps |
| 23:56:43 | Bagder | so what do you need the 32K for? |
| 23:56:57 | cool2bdave | for the wps |
| 23:57:21 | cool2bdave | I want to add a lyrics to the id3 structure |
| 23:57:38 | Bagder | and then I ask again |
| 23:57:40 | Bagder | I mean, if you load 5 songs with lyrics, it will keep all lyrics in mem, right? |
| 23:57:44 | cool2bdave | I tried already and after about 500 chars I can add no more |
| 23:58:24 | Bagder | we have _32_ entries of that struct, so adding 32K in it will use a lot of ram |
| 23:58:42 | Bagder | afair |
| 23:58:52 | cool2bdave | mmm, I thought after each song was loaded the previous id3 structure memory was released |
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