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#rockbox log for 2006-03-04

00:00:11drspooni'll give it a go
00:00:53peturamiconn: peakmeter wasn't available for sw codec targets, and I just fixed the places where this was forgotten. anything wrong with that?
00:01:28petursomebody complained about this (guess what: can't remember who/where)
00:02:07amiconnImho the proper fix would be to implement the peakmeter
00:02:17peturI know
00:02:41amiconnThat's why I wouldn't have disabled it, this way it would stay in sight and remind devs that there is something missing...
00:03:18peturbut it was ugly: it was flashing on the screen...
00:03:52amiconnFor me it wasn't flashing, it was just displayed without the moving bars
00:05:10peturwell, it was wrong the way it was written and I just quick fixed to clean the display. sorry about that.
00:07:09peturand I'd rather have the peakmeters as an option. I don't care about them if I'm just listening and not going to record -> wastes battery
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00:16:28*linuxstb does the pacman dance
00:17:08AdityaSpecified value has invalid Control characters. ..getting that when trying to send headers
00:17:19Adityaanyone know any common invalid chars for header strings?
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00:28:36drspooni solved the bitmap problem
00:29:08drspooni needed to do 'make clean' to clean out my libbitmapsnative.a (or something)
00:29:16drspoonand rebuild
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00:30:54Paprica00.16.28 # * linuxstb does the pacman dance
00:30:58Papricamame again?
00:31:15linuxstbNope - a completely different pacman emulator.
00:31:25Papricaipod video only?
00:31:28linuxstbThis one's GPL'd.
00:31:36linuxstbAt the moment, yes.
00:31:47linuxstbBut it's only been working for 15 minutes...
00:32:35Papricayou will port it to the other targets?
00:32:38merbananhow was it, how many bits have the coldfire and arm for mul operations ?
00:34:13linuxstbI don't know about the coldfire, but the arm has a 32x32->64 multiply, and a 32x32-64 multiply and accumulate.
00:35:39linuxstbPaprica: Yes - I plan to make it work on as many targets as I can. The problem is scaling the graphics to the different LCD sizes.
00:36:44Papricathe ipod video version is ready to use?
00:39:41linuxstbIt works, but it's far from finished.
00:40:51Papricacould you send me the source?
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00:45:34drspooncheers for the help guys - goodnight
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00:48:00linuxstbPaprica: Sorry, not yet. I would prefer to finish the port first - the code is still in a mess (it hasn't recovered from being dragged from C++ into C yet).
00:48:35Papricaok, when it's ready, just tell me =]
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02:27:54Zoide777hmm... any news on anything?
02:29:29*Paul_The_Nerd points to the changelog.
02:29:47AdityaPaul turned gay though
02:29:49AdityaI guess thats news
02:31:28Zoide777well, i meant new as in maybe nothing's been committed to cvs this afternoon but maybe someone was close to finishing /fixing some feature, etc..
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02:34:53Paul_The_NerdThere's not much point in asking that, since it doesn't really do any good until it's committed anyway, or until they show up and say "Hey, can anyone try this out on an X for me?"
02:43:07Zoide777yeah, you're right
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08:21:08midkay_anyone here know why rb->backlight_set_timeout(false); in a plugin won't disable the backlight?
08:21:27midkay_it really should - it used to work. it recently stopped. i'm calling it just like before, but it just doesn't seem to work right anymore..
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08:37:50amiconnmidkay_: It doesn't work because the parameter is (1) not a bool but an int which is (2) not a plain timeout value, but an index into a table of timeout values.
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08:38:08midkay_amiconn, was that changed lately?
08:38:37midkay_i wonder why it worked for the old clock, then..
08:39:08midkay_ah. right. i did indeed pass a bool to it..
08:39:22amiconnrb->backlight_set_timeout(0) sets it to 'always off', 1 sets it to 'always on', etc
08:39:42midkay_what would '2' set it to? nothing specifically?
08:40:13amiconnThese are the values available from the settings menu as well
08:40:44midkay_'2' == 2 seconds?
08:40:53Mikachuyou'd have to look in the table
08:41:10midkay_Mikachu, got it, thanks
08:41:28midkay_i'll try that, but i don't think it will work - i recall trying it earlier, but i'll give it another shot
08:41:43amiconnOff, On, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 45, 60, 90
08:42:11midkay_amiconn, ah - thank you. :)
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08:46:52midkay_amiconn, it's not working..
08:49:02midkay_amiconn, i have discovered why - setting backlight to "off" on my ipod from the settings menu doesn't even turn it off, it's like setting it to on, no timeout.
08:49:10midkay_something must have happened recently..
08:49:17midkay_timeouts work, just not "off".
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08:49:50amiconnWorks here, both on archos and iriver
08:50:02amiconnSo it's something in the ipod backlight implementation
08:50:04midkay_ipods suck. :(
08:50:24midkay_waaa. :( i'm going to toss it out the window. :(
08:51:02BHSPitLappyand I'm gonna catch it.
08:51:13midkay_i changed my mind, for unknown reasons.
08:51:15BHSPitLappyanyone wanna buy a 4GB nano, by the way? :P
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08:51:49BHSPitLappy( for $200 )
08:51:51midkay_i'll give you.. a thousand pennies.
08:52:01midkay_that's way more than you just asked.
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08:52:03midkay_look at that huge number.
08:52:23BHSPitLappymake it twenty thousand.
08:52:42midkay_wtf? that's way too overpriced!
08:52:48midkay_i'll make it 5000. final offer!
08:52:59BHSPitLappyok, then make it two.
08:53:08BHSPitLappytwo $100 bills.
08:53:30midkay_oh, so small numbers attract you? how's ONE penny sound?!
08:54:20BHSPitLappywoah, once again I remember why I once had you on my ignore list
08:54:42BHSPitLappythe real question is, why did I ever remove you?
08:55:10Mikachuthe real question is, if it annoys you, why did you play along?
08:55:13midkay_BHSPitLappy, um - hello? - why do you always mention that? just re-add me once and for all, if you really think it's worth not-making-sense in some conversations where people look like they're talking to nobody..
08:55:38BHSPitLappyah, that was the reason
08:55:39midkay_BHSPitLappy, that's like the fourth time you've told me you regret removing me - just re-add me and stop talking, if you really do regret it..
08:56:03BHSPitLappyMikachu: because I come to my senses too late :/
08:56:14midkay_BHSPitLappy, yes, um, 4 minutes too late?
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09:36:01safetydanpreglow, just a note that some people are saying that the peak filters don't cut/boost as much as the gain value would suggest. Particularly at low frequencies.
09:41:21linuxstbmorning all.
09:41:35Mikachugood morning
09:46:29midkay_have we got an lcd_getpixel?
09:47:23midkay_any methods/anything similar?
09:48:36linuxstbYou can access the lcd framebuffer directly, but if you _really_ need lcd_getpixel, then you should probably add it. What do you need to do?
09:50:08midkay_working on a plugin - just return a 1 if the current pixel is drawn (foreground color)
09:51:51linuxstbYes, but why do you need to do that? What does your plugin do?
09:52:11midkay_it's for bitmap collision detection (space invaders!) :)
09:53:52safetydanIs the bus fast enough to read from without issue? Maybe drawing off screen first and blitting afterwards might be faster. Then you can do collision detection on the offscreen bitmap
09:54:57linuxstbThe "offscreen bitmap" is just the lcd_framebuffer[] array. There shouldn't be any need to create another copy of what's on the screen.
09:55:23linuxstbBut instead of comparing pixels, you could store the positions of the sprites, and compare the sprite positions.
09:55:56linuxstbI'm assuming what you really want is sprite collision.
09:56:01safetydanAh, so the drawing code just writes to that and it gets copied to the LCD every lcd_update()?
09:56:09midkay_linuxstb, but then it's really inaccurate - if a sprite is 10x10 and it only consists of a pixel in the middle, then you end up killing that sprite way before the bullet actually hits it.
09:56:28linuxstbNo, if a sprite only consists of a pixel in the middle, then it should be a 1x1 sprite.
09:57:01midkay_linuxstb, sigh.. say it's 20x10..
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09:57:11midkay_with a line that goes upper left to lower center to upper right
09:57:19linuxstbI don't understand: You make the sprite the size and shape of the actual contents.
09:57:22midkay_then if you hit it at the far left it disappears before it's hit..
09:57:33midkay_yet you can't resize it - all 20x10 is being used.
09:58:01SereR0kRwill you add mac support for Rockbox? anytime? ^^
09:58:29linuxstbSereR0kR: Rockbox doesn't depend on any operating system. What's your problem using Rockbox with a Mac?
09:58:40SereR0kRmy iPod is mac formatted
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09:59:15linuxstbmidkay_: OK, I understand that if the sprite is an odd shaped, then you'll have problems. If you think that checking the contents of the framebuffer is the best way, then I would suggest adding a get_pixel function.
09:59:31linuxstbOr just using the rb->lcd_framebuffer[] array directly.
09:59:31SereR0kRI don't want to/can't use virtual PC, it's too slow
09:59:40linuxstbSereR0kR: You don't need to use virtual PC.
09:59:47didjwhat the hell :p
10:00:09linuxstbWhy do you say you do?
10:00:22SereR0kRi don't do
10:00:29SereR0kRi don't want to use it ;>
10:00:41SereR0kRand i can't use it, it's too slow
10:00:43linuxstbNo-one has ever told you you have to use virtual PC.
10:00:56SereR0kRwhat can i use?
10:01:00linuxstbMac OS.
10:01:08SereR0kRhow? O.o
10:01:10didjwhat do you need a diff OS for?
10:01:14linuxstbHave you read the installation instructions?
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10:01:55linuxstbBut you do have to convert your ipod to FAT32.
10:02:03SereR0kRthat's no problem =D
10:02:12SereR0kRdoes rockbox work good on 5G yet?
10:02:13linuxstbSupporting the HFS filesystem in Rockbox is a major undertaking - it's not a small job.
10:02:34linuxstbIt's as good as all the other iPod ports.
10:03:18SereR0kRok ;>
10:03:44linuxstb But it's easily uninstalled if you don't like it.
10:05:55SereR0kRI need to unmount my iPod first -.-
10:08:00midkay_linuxstb, sorry to impose - how can i read the lcd framebuffer for a certain pixel?
10:08:16linuxstbThat depends on the depth of the LCD.
10:08:22linuxstbAnd the format...
10:08:33didjwhats the main reason for keeping the config in a sector vs flat file? (ata/fat not available early enough?)
10:08:51linuxstbFor a colour display, it's pixel=rb->lcd_framebuffer[y*LCD_WIDTH+x];
10:09:23midkay_linuxstb, any color display? ipod, iriver, iaudio?
10:10:16linuxstbFor the 2bit-per-pixel displays, there are two formats - 4 vertical pixels packed into a byte (iriver H1x0), or 4 horizontal pixels packed into a byte (greyscale ipods).
10:10:39linuxstbFor the 1bit-per-pixel displays, it is 8 vertical pixels packed into one byte.
10:10:44safetydanmidkay_, the sim drawing code has a getpixel you might be able to use
10:11:10SereR0kRhow long should this: "newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdisk2s2" take?
10:11:19safetydanunder /uisimulator/sdl/lcd-bitmap.c
10:11:20midkay_what about a mono display?
10:11:44linuxstbSereR0kR: I've no idea - I've never done that process. But it wouldn't surprise me if it took a few minutes.
10:11:50safetydanfor mono it would be "return ((lcd_framebuffer[y/8][x] >> (y & 7)) & 1);"
10:12:14linuxstbSereR0kR: Can you see the disk icon spinning in the top-left corner of your iPod's screen?
10:12:43midkay_safetydan, i did a search in my rockbox dir and found a couple results, but i saw they were all sim-related and didn't really investigate - nothing looked very relevant
10:12:46midkay_linuxstb, sounds complicated - maybe i'll stick with the color models for now. ;)
10:12:54SereR0kRi see something spinning there =D
10:13:17safetydanlook for the lcd_get_pixel function
10:13:17linuxstbmidkay_: If you just implement it as a function, then you can complete the function for other kinds of display later.
10:13:41linuxstb... or just copy safetydan's function.
10:13:45midkay_linuxstb, i was thinking along the lines of that..
10:14:37midkay_safetydan, excellent - just what i need :)
10:14:54midkay_i'm wondering why this isn't in the lcd code along with update and the like? :)
10:15:12linuxstbI would guess because no-one has needed a get_pixel function.
10:15:48midkay_linuxstb, haha - i see :) alright - no big deal to slip it in the plugin code - thanks! and safetydan. :)
10:15:52didjdoes the 'USB bootleader' v5 (H340) actually work?
10:16:08didjit comes up with the msg, but doesnt detect disk?
10:16:17didjusb mode from rockbox itself works fine
10:17:29SereR0kRdamn i can't execute ipod_fw
10:17:54SereR0kR"permission denied", also as root
10:18:14didj"chmod 755 ipod_fw" ?
10:18:40SereR0kRok thx ;>
10:18:52earHertzlinuxstb: have you notice dthat the ipod playback will pause if you turn thre scroll wheel too quickly?
10:20:04midkay_linuxstb, that reminds me - not sure if it's known, it probably is, but - bass/treble doesn't work as it should on ipod, it only seems to boost the volume a bit
10:20:15linuxstbmidkay_: It's not implemented on the 5g
10:20:32midkay_linuxstb, gotcha, makes sense, just a heads up :)
10:20:34earHertzBut oddly, it does not pause in teh wpss, not matter how quickly teh scroll wheel is turned
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10:21:25Mikachuit's probably drawing the menu that causes the music to skip, not the actual scrolling
10:22:03SereR0kRmini:~/Desktop ch$ ./ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
10:22:04SereR0kRGenerating firmware image compatible with iPod video
10:22:04SereR0kRCannot open firmware image file apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin
10:22:24Mikachuand did you create that file?
10:23:02Mikachumaybe i'm referring to the one _in the error message_
10:23:24SereR0kRi formatted my iPod from HFS to FAT32
10:23:34SereR0kRand it said i should continue on step 1 e)
10:23:52Mikachulook at step d2)
10:24:00SereR0kR./ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin ;>
10:24:30linuxstbDoes anyone have any suggestions why this code isn't working as it should?
10:24:48SereR0kRis bootpartition.bin the Firmware File? in my case Firmware-13.6.1
10:25:47Mikachuit turns the machine off when you let go of select?
10:25:59linuxstbIt's the main loop for my pacman emulator - I am trying to fix it to display exactly 20fps, but my while() loop which should slow it down doesn't seem to be - it's running at about 150% realtime (displaying 32.66fps).
10:26:06linuxstbSereR0kR: Yes.
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10:27:13Mikachulinuxstb: rounding errors on line 51 maybe?
10:27:30earHertzlinuxstb: where is start_time initialized?
10:27:48linuxstbIn the plugin_start function - it's just set to *rb->current_tick;
10:28:28SereR0kRok works n1 ;>
10:29:34linuxstbMikachu: I can't see how.
10:29:41earHertzlinuxstb: put some code in the while loop to display current_tick and end_time
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10:35:30SereR0kRhow can i copy a directory on os x terminal
10:35:38Mikachuyeah probably not it
10:36:45didj'cp -r dir1 dir2' i guess
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10:38:11linuxstbSereR0kR: If you are unzipping the, you can simply type "unzip -d /Volumes/IPOD/"
10:38:21linuxstb(or wherever Mac OS has mounted your ipod)
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10:39:53SereR0kRgot it
10:39:56SereR0kRanother questions
10:40:08SereR0kRare there other skins for this music player?
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10:41:58JdGordoneveinng all
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10:44:35midkay_hey JdGordon - i quickly tried to add a check into the color picker that wouldn't allow you to set the same foreground/background color, since we've already had a few people come in asking about how to reset it.. i had no success, but you know the code much better - maybe you can do that :)
10:44:52SereR0kRdoes sound work on Rockboy?
10:45:00midkay_SereR0kR, yes
10:45:27JdGordonmidkay_: ok, if its really wanted, i can submit a patch
10:45:32JdGordonppl shouldnt be that stupid tho :p
10:45:43midkay_JdGordon, i dunno about really wanted - should have seen this guy in here the other day though :)
10:46:21midkay_JdGordon, it'd be a nice check, though, i think - just to idiotproof it (or maybe in a more indirect way: 'curious-proof it') :)
10:47:22JdGordoni dont know how the yes/no screen code works...
10:47:30midkay_i think i've already seen two people in here asking about it, and that's when i was around - i just wonder how many more we'll continue to get..
10:48:01JdGordonoh, ye, woops... linuxstb changed the code to make that pretty hard to implement
10:48:09midkay_we don't need one.. just say, when they press the "accept" button, check the current color against the opposite one (bg if fg, or fg if bg).. if it's the same, just splash "Invalid selection" for a second or two, and let them change it (don't exit)..
10:48:19JdGordonok, not really.. but a bit more wwork
10:48:40*JdGordon loads up the file
10:48:58midkay_JdGordon, i'd personally prefer a "Why would you want to go and do that, moron?" splash, but.. i think it's kinda against-the-rules. :(
10:49:29JdGordon:) i like that idea
10:49:43SereR0kRwhere can i get "cool" skins for iPod 5G? ;D
10:50:05JdGordoncool??? rb isnt cool enough for u???
10:50:07JdGordontisk tisk
10:50:18SereR0kRit's cool
10:50:22SereR0kRbut i need better skins ;>
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10:50:38SereR0kRor, is there a way to create skins my self? =D
10:50:45midkay_SereR0kR, sure, why not?
10:51:06linuxstbJdGordon: It's easy to check for fg/bg colours - you just add an extra parameter to the set_color() function which is the "banned colour".
10:51:14midkay_well. 'skins'?.. you can create a WPS, or a theme (which defines a font, WPS, backdrop, etc.. to use)
10:51:23JdGordon.. thats one way to do it
10:51:32JdGordoni guess thats better than what i was gonna do :
10:51:33midkay_that'd be a nice splash.
10:51:38midkay_"Banned color".
10:51:49SereR0kRis there a tutorial or documentation for "creating skins"
10:52:11midkay_SereR0kR, the wiki has documentation for WPS' and config files..
10:52:20midkay_check the DocsIndex
10:54:17linuxstbSereR0kR: Check the Rockbox iPod forum - there are some discussions there about themes.
10:55:39JdGordon"Unacceptable color choen" ?
10:56:01linuxstbOr just "Invalid colour"
10:56:49midkay_invalid sounds good
10:57:00midkay_without going into a sentence about why it's invalid :)
10:57:11SereR0kRthx linuxstb
10:57:35midkay_"Sorry, you've chosen an invalid color. Invalid in that it's the same as the current [foreground/background] color. Please select another."
10:57:54linuxstbThat's fine on my 5g's screen. Might be a problem on the Nano....
11:00:10earHertzwhat if I want to reverse the fg and bg colors>? with your banning, I'll have to switch to an intermediary color: startiing frim white/back, I can''t switch to black/black and then blakc/white, I have to do white/black -> green/black −−> green/white −−> black/white
11:00:12SereR0kRhm damn it's hard to create a skin xD
11:00:15JdGordonok, done.. just making sure i dont have any typos
11:00:51JdGordonearHertz: well.. we could add another menu item to inverse the colours
11:00:53Kingstoneit's not easy ;\
11:01:04JdGordonlinuxstb: shuold i add that while im there/
11:01:09earHertzdon't ban it, just flash a warning
11:01:25earHertz"are you sure you want fg=bg?"
11:02:01earHertzif they try to save it in t that config
11:03:06linuxstbJdGordon: We don't want to bloat the code too much. IMO, changing the colours isn't a common enough function to warrant any more code than necessary.
11:03:13linuxstbearHertz: What colours would you use for the warning? :)
11:03:34earHertzalways use black on white for all messages
11:03:41JdGordonlinuxstb: true.. but the colour targets arnt so constrained, and it add 1 text sting, and 5 lines of code :p
11:03:46JdGordon.. so no?
11:03:56earHertzif you have to push the current values onto a sstack and pop the stack after the message, do so
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11:06:27SereR0kRok afk
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11:06:34SereR0kRcreating a rockbox skin -.-"
11:08:36didjwhats the deal with not being able to boot original firmware (H340, v5 bootloader), ive tried the format n all, still screws around :|
11:08:51JdGordon??? hold down rec while booting
11:09:19didjyea, it just briefly flashed "booting original firmware", then off
11:09:27JdGordonu need to hold on and rec
11:09:32JdGordonuntill the iriv fw logo shows
11:09:48didjyea, it was working fine yesterday
11:10:01didjbut now cant get it to boot original, it tries to, but then flicks off
11:10:11JdGordonbattery flat?
11:10:14didjtried the suggestions on the wiki
11:10:21didjits in the dock and should be ~90%
11:11:00JdGordonsure your holding on for long enough?
11:11:07didjyea, i had it working yesterday :p
11:11:14*JdGordon fails to undersand why anyone would want to boot into orig fw anyway/....
11:11:32didjto watch video :p
11:11:50JdGordonbah, code up a rb plugin for video instead of wasint gtime watching them
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11:11:58didj+ you see it print "Booting original firmware" or whatever on the screen, then flicks off instead of logo
11:12:15didji got 0 exp w/ codecs :p
11:13:13SereR0kRsound doesn't work on my Rockboy :(
11:13:41JdGordonlinuxstb: you gonna commit that file? or should i put it on flys[ray and wait..?
11:15:30didjive tried the things in "The original firmware no longer boots, help!" of the iriver faq, no go
11:16:31SereR0kRi hate my headphones :o
11:16:55JdGordondidj: does it work if the ac adapter is pougged in?
11:17:01BHSPitLappymine are cool... but, they're too big in my ears I think :/
11:17:05SereR0kRhm no i just hate the cable :o
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11:17:14SereR0kRSony MDR-EX 71SLB
11:17:30didjscrewing around with it in the dock, i can get it to boot directly into iriver (doesnt show rockbox loader?)
11:17:33SereR0kRnever seen such ugly cables :o
11:17:49didjso i managed to reflash to stock firmware
11:17:57didjthat runs fine weirdly enough
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11:21:48SereR0kRis there a tutorial for compiling my own Rockbox?
11:21:51SereR0kRfrom source
11:23:02JdGordonlinux ro windows?
11:23:10didjthe faq seems to suggest its something on the disk thats causing it to fail, if so, why would the stock firmware work fine, but chain loading from rockbox bootloader fail?
11:23:11SereR0kRos x :o
11:23:35JdGordonum.. i tinhk its the same as linux then... just setup your build environment and hiit make
11:24:00SereR0kRneed to change something in Rockboy :o i don't like the control settings -.-
11:24:42SereR0kRhm forget it -.-"
11:24:59SereR0kRcontrol settings suxx but ok -.-
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11:25:53SereR0kRI don't like the control settings of Rockboy on my iPod i want to use others ;>
11:26:04midkay_JdGordon, i could commit it if linuxstb's afk..
11:26:08 Part beeble
11:26:25JdGordonoh ok, well anyone.. its on flyspray now
11:26:42JdGordonand while your there... add my search in playlist patch
11:29:04JdGordon:( why not?
11:29:22midkay_JdGordon, this adds a new color menu then?
11:29:44midkay_what's with the new text? why "defaults" instead of "reset colors"?
11:30:01JdGordonjust an anoying splash if u choose a invalid colour
11:30:56midkay_there's new lang names for them too?
11:31:38JdGordonthere is.. for the splash text
11:31:46midkay_ah, figured it out
11:32:19JdGordoncmon... ... add me... add mee...
11:34:09linuxstbmidkay_, JdGordon: One minor note about your patch - your new lang string uses "color", but the other lang strings use "colour"
11:34:31JdGordonoh ffs... i thought we fixed all that?
11:34:37midkay_linuxstb, other lang strings as in, previous ones, or globally?
11:34:42midkay_iirc the global standard was 'color'
11:35:05linuxstbLook at apps/lang/english.lang
11:35:09midkay_JdGordon, lmao at your 4 attempts to attach a file
11:35:25midkay_i keep getting this:
11:35:53linuxstbThe Rockbox standard appears to be color in the C language, colour in the English language.
11:35:54midkay_make[1]: *** No rule to make target `color_menu.h', needed by `/home/midk/rockbo
11:35:54midkay_x-devel/buildvid/apps/settings_menu.o'. Stop.
11:36:03midkay_wtf, really?
11:36:07midkay_weird, but.. :)
11:36:29JdGordonum.. wtf in deed? or u not applying to cvs?
11:36:35JdGordonto latest cvs i mean
11:36:54JdGordonwtf is color_menu.h?
11:37:01midkay_apparently part of your patch?
11:37:05midkay_latest cvs, yes
11:37:28JdGordoncolor_picker.h never color_menu
11:37:44midkay_in your patch, you add a lot of stuff involving.. color_menu, it seems
11:37:49midkay_yeah. wtf.
11:37:54midkay_wrong patch? outdated?
11:37:57midkay_something's really wrong here
11:37:59linuxstbmidkay_: The patch doesn't refer to color_menu.h
11:38:04midkay_lang strings are different..
11:38:07linuxstbI think you must be using the wrong patch...
11:38:18midkay_+#ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR
11:38:18midkay_+#include "color_menu.h"
11:38:23midkay_the one he linked to..
11:38:26SereR0kRanyone got mbr of iPod Photo 30Gig?
11:38:31midkay_i think he linked to an old outdated one.
11:38:54JdGordon4759?? thats the searc in pl patch...
11:39:18JdGordonthat doesnt have color_menu.h either... wtf did u tyr applying?
11:39:44midkay_must be some really old patch. thanks! now i need to re-check-out! ;)
11:40:03linuxstbJust do patch -R with the patch you applied.
11:40:25JdGordonno, thats the right patch... i dunno
11:40:51midkay_JdGordon, the one on users.blah? no..
11:41:01midkay_no no no:)
11:41:16midkay_must be some old early version..
11:41:18SereR0kRhm my father wants rockbox on his iPod Color but he has no mbr for converting his HFS+ iPod to FAT32
11:41:57JdGordonsomething is wierd.. coz thats the file i updated.. might be uni chaching something wrong or sometihng.. i dunno..
11:42:06JdGordonthe flyspray link above is correct
11:42:41midkay_JdGordon, applied your flyspray version.. compiling
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11:45:24lamedsafetydan: your cut/copy/paste patch was linked to SF in the forum message. is it on fs?
11:46:59safetydanI have a slightly newer version that's smaller on targets that don't do HAVE_MULTIVOLUME
11:47:02safetydanbut otherwise it's the same
11:47:55lamedhave_multivolume? haven't came across that one. h120?
11:48:19safetydanOndio's have expandable storage. You can plug MMC cards in and they show up like another drive
11:48:31safetydanThe patch is still not thoroughly tested so only use it on data you have a copy of somewhere else.
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11:50:47midkay_JdGordon, looks good
11:51:27lamedhehe... well i'm still trying to figure out why am i getting
11:51:28lamedconfigure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that you don't have SDL (properly) installed. Please correct and re-run configure!
11:51:43lamedwhen trying to build the sim, so your patch is the next challange
11:51:51SereR0kRhow can i move a folder into another folder (which is not empty ;>)
11:52:04SereR0kRmv [are there flags for that?] a b
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11:52:50linuxstbmv a b will move directory a into directory b - so the new directory will be b/a
11:53:26SereR0kRhow can i move all files from 1 folder into another?
11:53:32linuxstbmv a/* b
11:54:00linuxstbOr better, add the trailing slash to b - mv a/* b/
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11:54:16safetydanlamed, check that sdl-config command is on your path
11:54:46SereR0kRok thx works
11:55:26lamedis that the patch? /usr/local/bin?
11:56:09midkay_JdGordon, i committed it
11:56:17JdGordonyippe :D
11:56:23JdGordonnow do the playlist patch
11:56:24safetydanlamed, try typing sdl-config at the prompt
11:56:28midkay_JdGordon, fu man!
11:57:04SereR0kRis there any theme for 5G which displays cover art?
11:58:08lamedsafetydan: command not found. I was installing SDL just by choosing the SDL package from mirror site. is that enough?
11:58:15lamedor was i missing something
11:58:58safetydanlamed, did you get the sdl development package as well?
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12:00:56lamed just the Devel-SDL package that's mentioned there.
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12:01:39lamedmmm... maybe... i think i might got it
12:01:49safetydanyou should have a sdl-config command either in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
12:02:22lamedI'm missing a .bash_profile in /home.
12:04:01safetydanWhat's the result of "echo $PATH"?
12:04:23JdGordon$PATH $PATH .. $PATH .. <slowly getting quieter> $PATH
12:04:34JdGordondoesnt quite work on irc
12:04:37safetydanvery droll
12:05:25lamedno usr/local/bin there.
12:05:45lamed.:/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/sh1/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin:.:../ bin:../usr/bin
12:06:00lamedwhere do i edit that?
12:06:15safetydanIs the sdl-config command in /usr/local/bin?
12:06:27safetydanjust do this
12:06:39safetydanexport PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
12:06:47safetydanthen try the build again
12:06:54safetydanyou can also add that line to your .bash_profile
12:07:41lamedmmm.. cool. but there's no .bash_profile file at all for now under /home. so where is the exsistant $PATH is stored?
12:08:31safetydanlamed, probably /etc/profile
12:08:41safetydanlamed, you can always create $HOME/.bash_profile
12:10:42midkay_JdGordon, haha
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12:19:03lamedsafetydan : | PATH="/.:/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/sh1/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:$PATH" | for some reason I guess something is wrong... because if i type commands that are in /usr/bin, it claims they are missing
12:19:29lamed(that's was from etc/profile
12:20:19safetydanthat line seems okay (apart from missing /usr/local/bin)
12:20:22safetydanI'm not sure what is wrong then
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12:21:31lameddammit :/ it got screwed up after trying to add /usr/local/bin
12:24:22lamedsafetydan: any other places that may define a PATH?
12:27:47safetydan$HOME/.bashrc is another place to look
12:28:17lamed:( I've got nothing under $home
12:28:40safetydanNothing at all?
12:28:54safetydanseems odd, the first time your run cygwin it should create some files in your home directory
12:29:22linuxstblamed: Just add it to the existing PATH definition in /etc/profile
12:30:37lamedlinuxstb: corrently, the problem is i can't even run LS under cygwin
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12:31:13linuxstblamed: You've messed up your path then. Just delete your .bashrc/.bash_profile file.
12:32:28lamedwell, no .bash_profile file, and .bashrc = shopt -s nocaseglob
12:33:27linuxstbJust try typing "export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:$PATH" at the prompt
12:34:24lameddone that. now i get
12:35:14lamedecho $PATH /bin:/usr/bin:/.:/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/sh1/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin:.:../bin:../usr/bin
12:36:37lamedand still, ls dosen't work :/
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12:37:13linuxstbWhat did you change?
12:38:52lamedi've only been trying to |<safetydan> export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH | in order to get sdl-config running for the sim, and then ls stopped working.
12:39:32linuxstbIf you close cygwin, and then start it again, is it OK?
12:40:29lamedi've been restarting the thing for couple of dozens of times
12:41:08lamed(ive noticed that you have to restart it order to have a re-read on the /etc/profile file
12:41:52linuxstbAre you sure you haven't accidentally modified any configuration files? Is /etc/profile still the same as it was?
12:41:59linuxstbAlso, does typing /bin/ls work?
12:44:19lamedactually, ls is under /usr/bin over here, but nither /usr/bin/ls under / works
12:45:09lamedec/profile is the same. i've diffed it against an older copy
12:45:14lamedetc/profile is the same. i've diffed it against an older copy
12:45:51lamedBASH: ../usr/bin/ls: No such file or directory
12:45:57lamed />../usr/bin/ls
12:46:04lamed(other way around)
12:47:47lamedshould i try a fresh boot..? i'll brb
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12:51:28linuxstbmidkay_: I've just seen your commit of JdGordon's patch. Was there a reason you kept the new language string as "Invalid color" ?
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12:59:13earHertzmidkay_: yoou have cvs coomit rights?
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13:15:55BHSPitLappythe colorwow, it's been too long since I've updated... the "visualizer" is kewl
13:16:24BHSPitLappywhy does that always happen.
13:16:28BHSPitLappys/the color//
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13:26:44SereR0kRhow can i play doom on my 5G on Rockbox? where can i get this patch? how can i apply it? do i need anything else? ;>
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13:55:41linuxstbOK, I'm confused. I've moved some data in my pacman emulator to IRAM, and now it's running slightly slower than before... This is on an ipod 5g.
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13:56:54Membrillohaha strange
13:56:59Membrillopacman emulator aye?
13:58:07Membrillois there not an open source pacman version out there to port? surely that would be easier then 'emulating' it. what files are you even emulating....?
13:58:23linuxstbI'm emulating the original pacman arcade machine.
13:58:32Membrilloor what system are you emulating i mean
13:58:32linuxstb(or rather, the program I've ported emulates it)
13:58:40linuxstbI'm emulating the original pacman arcade machine.
13:58:55Membrillook nice
13:59:11Membrillothe game files arent available to directly port?
13:59:12linuxstbIt's only a 3MHz Z80, so shouldn't be hard in theory...
13:59:25Membrillooh ok, fair enough then
13:59:54Membrillowill other arcade games be able to run through the same plugin?
14:00:08Membrilloor is it just for pacman
14:00:32linuxstbThere are a small number of other games that run on Pacman hardware. But it could also be extended for games with similar hardware.
14:00:43Membrillovery nice indeed
14:01:02Membrillonothing like some more good boredom\battery killers
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14:01:36Membrilloim not sure wether its open sourced now, but i think lemmings would be awesome on rockbox
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14:01:55MembrilloI think rockstar (the makers of the GTA series) made the original
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14:14:43Membrillolemmings ported for 16bit screen, with a smaller resolution and lower memory consumption
14:14:57Membrilloand a 2bit display as well
14:15:17ender`lemmings! that brings back memories
14:15:19MembrilloThe Lemmings source code contains no platform specific code, and no #ifdef's
14:16:01*ender` played that on a 286
14:16:08MembrilloThe actual game source (Lemmings.cpp) does not contain a single platform specific line, not even #ifdef's. This means that you can write games that work on ALL platforms, without actually owning the older (or newer) devices, and without knowing the technical details of porting to these devices.
14:16:21Membrillowho feels like they want to give this a shot :P
14:17:26safetydanooh, sounds like a lark
14:17:30*safetydan takes a look
14:17:55*ender` also saw lemmings written entirely in html/javascript
14:17:55*Membrillo doesnt know what lark means but gives the thumbs up
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14:18:28Membrillothats DHTML lemmings
14:18:31safetydanno data files included so could be a bit hard to do
14:18:50Membrillono data files? what does that mean?
14:19:34safetydanNo graphics or sound
14:19:46safetydanAlso, I'm not sure how well this would work without a mouse like interface
14:19:54ender`weird, they disappear while digging
14:20:05MembrilloI thought maybe you could use a xobox like cursor
14:20:23safetydanbah, and C++ as well
14:20:33Membrillocould you not download the DOS version of lemmings (or another port) and use those data files
14:20:58safetydanyeah, but that sounds like work :)
14:21:03safetydanAnd probably not legal
14:21:15Membrillodang it. i thought id struck gold when i saw it was designed for integer based CPU and not FPU
14:21:20Membrillosounds like its a bit more complex
14:21:40Membrilloah well, sounds like the legal side of rockboy. the systems legal, the game isnt
14:22:41Membrilloim pretty sure lemmings is freeware now
14:23:10didjso rockboy is only orig gameboy yea? (not colour?)
14:23:20Membrillogees..... only 15 years since lemmings was released
14:23:30Membrillogameboy and gameboy colour
14:23:34Membrillonot advanced though
14:24:27safetydanMembrillo, unless DMA Design has explicitly said it's freeware, it's not free.
14:26:42Membrillohmmm ok
14:26:54Membrillocant find anything related to them saying its freeware
14:27:08Membrilloso it would be a fair bit of work to get it working safetydan?
14:27:16Membrillofrom a glance?
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14:28:43safetydanWell it wouldn't be too bad. It is already running on small systems. It does make use of floating point routines though which would have to go
14:29:48Membrilloseeing he says: When writing software for a palm computer, you have to consider more than just the hardware limitations like speed and the lack of an FPU
14:30:21safetydan int line = 206 - y * 5 + (int)(y * 0.7f * sin( (float)(y + framenr) / 4 ));
14:30:34safetydanOkay, so there's only one line of floating point
14:30:51safetydanthen you'd also have to un-C++ it
14:31:16safetydanIf someone was motivated they could do it in a couple of days I guess.
14:31:43Membrillooh ok fair enough. I dont have a huge wealth of C knowledge... what do you have to go about doing to de-'c++'-ify code
14:32:11Membrillook awesome
14:32:23Membrilloi might make a thread on misticriver and see if anyone is interested
14:33:33safetydanYour biggest problem is getting the art and sound.
14:34:36safetydanTo de-C++ it, you'd need to rewrite the Lemming and LAnim objects to be procedural functions over an array or something rather than object methods
14:35:02Membrillohmmm the dos version of the game has a heap of DAT files, 2 BAT files, 3 EXE files and a COM file
14:35:12Membrilloi guess the audio is stored in the dats
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14:35:30Membrilloand as the com file is LEMVGA.COM id say the graphics are in there
14:36:08Membrillonope lemvga is a configuration utility
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14:36:11safetydangraphics are probably also in the .DAT files as .COM is usually an executable image
14:36:45Membrillook fair enough
14:37:05Membrilloyeah some of the .DAT files have VGA in them
14:37:20Membrillothen others are like.. LEVEL00.DAT LEVEL01.DAT etc
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14:38:58Membrilloso how does that lemmings port try and access the graphics and sound of the game?
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16:01:33t0maswho's Jonathan Gordon?
16:04:12LinusNit's JdGordon
16:04:41t0masok, saw his e-mail?
16:04:56t0masI can commit it... any stoppers from you?
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16:05:57LinusNi haven't checked the latest src
16:06:47LinusNmy biggest concern was the speed in non-cached mode
16:08:17t0masin the comments he says it's ok with cache turned off
16:08:59t0masoh wait... that's his e-mail: "(even with dir cache
16:08:59t0masoff its still bearable..)"
16:11:36LinusNdoes the code look ok?
16:11:48t0masdoesn't look horrible :)
16:12:00t0masuses spaces, no tabs...
16:12:18LinusNdoes it use up lots of memory?
16:12:24t0maslooks like he used #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP on all needed places
16:12:28t0masI was just looking for that :)
16:12:41t0masread some posts on the mailinglist that archos targets don't like the mem usage :)
16:14:01t0masint found_indicies[MAX_PLAYLIST_ENTRIES]
16:14:19t0masthe only large array
16:15:20t0masis MAX_PLAYLIST_ENTRIES > 512 ?
16:15:40LinusN200 i think
16:15:58t0masok, then it uses < 1kb of mem
16:16:13LinusNsounds good
16:16:23LinusNare the strings localized?
16:16:41LinusNgo ahead then
16:16:54t0maswell I'm just waiting for him to answere a few questions...
16:17:12t0mas"Does it work on sim?" "Does it compile on all targets?" "On what targets have you tested it?"
16:19:40safetydanHow tight are we on code size on archos anyway? My cut/copy/paste patch apparently adds around 1400 bytes to the rockbox image on SH1.
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16:21:18t0massome people are really stupid...
16:21:38LinusNcode size is always tight, but the combined code+data is the real problem
16:21:38t0massome user of "use torrent?? whats that! thats illegal!"
16:21:55t0masabout using bittorrent to distribute wikipedia content to rockbox users
16:22:04LinusNthe archos devices have only 2mbytes for code, data and mp3 buffer
16:22:44LinusNt0mas: that shows the antipirate lobbying is successful
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16:23:13t0masLinusN: it sucks... bittorrent would be a really nice way to distribute DRM-ed movies...
16:23:23t0maslike: pay $ 4,- for a normal download
16:23:24safetydanLinusN, which is part of the reason I haven't comitted it yet. Is it a feature enough people want to justify the code size increase?
16:23:27t0masplay % 2 for a BT download
16:23:38t0masbecause that saves the movie company some bandwidth
16:23:48earHertzsafetydan: can it be coded as a plugin?
16:23:48safetydan(the other reason being that I haven't tested it enough yet)
16:24:04t0masplay % 2 −−> pay $ 2
16:24:10safetydanearHertz, yes, but it sort of defeats the purpose of being a "clipboard"
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16:24:19safetydana file management plugin might be a better overall idea though
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16:25:41t0masLinusN: close this one, stating that we can also read text files, so people can use the same files they use on ipod? −−>
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16:26:46earHertzt0mas: ipod can read a very limited subset of html
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16:26:53t0masipodlinux too?
16:27:01earHertzt0mas: dunno
16:27:17t0maslinuxstb? you're the ipodlinux guy? :)
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16:37:41safetydanDid someone write a wav output for the PCM layer at some point?
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16:42:04merkisofti have a problem with my ihp120 - the battery is at 0 volts
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16:42:24merkisoftcan i charge it still or is it over?
16:42:25XavierGr0 volts?
16:42:47merkisoftyeah, my girlfriend used a wrong charger
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16:42:48XavierGrhow do you know that it is 0? did you measured it?
16:43:05XavierGrdoes the player boot up?
16:43:06merkisoftyes i opened the device and messured it.
16:43:11XavierGror nothing?
16:43:28merkisofteven when i plug it in...
16:43:52XavierGryou could try changeing the battery but AFAIK if you put a awrong charger to iHP then the story ends
16:43:57XavierGrthe CPU is fried
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16:44:05XavierGragain you could try
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16:44:17XavierGrbut I am not sure if that will fix it
16:44:46merkisofti tried to use the real one but no chance...
16:45:22merkisofti would like to directly charge it - if possible (aren't 0 volts problematic that the battery is totally distroyed?)
16:45:44MarcoPolois there a chance to see cover artwork support soon in rockbox for ipod ?
16:45:47safetydanmerkisoft, it's quite possible the entire thing is fried. Wouldn't be the first time.
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16:45:55XavierGryou could open it and couple it (on the battery jack) with a power supply at 3.7 - 4.0 volts, and see if this works
16:46:02safetydanMarcoPolo, it's already supported. Use a WPS that includes album art.
16:46:20merkisoft3.7-4.0 volts ok - i'll see what i can do... thanks for the voltages...
16:46:32MarcoPolosafetydan: ooohhh really !!!! that's cool !
16:46:42MarcoPolosafetydan: it reads the cover art in the id3tags ?
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16:48:14safetydanMarcoPolo, no not yet. It looks for a file called cover.bmp in the same directory.
16:48:29MarcoPolosafetydan: ah ok, i understand
16:48:36MarcoPoloI'll add it to my custom wps
16:48:40MarcoPoloit's really cool :)
16:50:01safetydanIt may also look for "Name of Album.bmp" as well
16:50:09safetydanoo... wait
16:50:24MarcoPolosafetydan: what's the var for it ?
16:50:24safetydanMarcoPolo, it's not included in the daily builds from Rockbox.... I just got confused there for a bit
16:50:35MarcoPolooh ok
16:50:39safetydanIt's currently only in the H300 experimental builds.
16:50:54MarcoPolois it unstable ?
16:51:25safetydana better way to manage the resources used is being worked on
16:51:28needleboyit's stable enough
16:51:35needleboyi'd say it's ready for commit
16:51:35safetydancurrently it takes up memory even if you don't use album art
16:52:11MarcoPoloi'll try to compile rockbox then :D
16:53:11safetydanneedleboy, the bitmap space is allocated out of the track info structure
16:53:34safetydanso there's one copy per track in memory even if it's the same bitmap
16:53:36safetydanIIRC anyway
16:54:12MarcoPolowhat do i need to compile rockbox (i'm under linux)
16:54:43MarcoPolois gcc ok or does it need another compiler ?
16:55:41safetydanMarcoPolo, you'll need to make a cross-compiler
16:56:13safetydanshould get you started
16:56:35safetydanThe album art patch is here:
16:56:51MarcoPolosafetydan: i'm interested in tagcache too ;-)
16:57:15safetydanMarcoPolo, well... there actually isn't a usable patch for that available
16:57:36MarcoPolosafetydan: oh ok
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17:38:40preglowsafetydan: i'm fairly certain they do cut/boost correctly. what evidence do they have to back up their claims?
17:40:13safetydanpreglow, comparison with Winamps EQ basically
17:40:52safetydan-12 db @ 60 Hz in winamp results in nearly zero sound for a 60 Hz tone
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17:42:33preglow-12db shouldn't yield almost zero sound
17:42:39preglowit should yield sound at quarter volume
17:43:31webguest89good afternoon, anyone around here who's in-depth knowledge of the Recorder hardware?
17:43:40preglowi wish he put up some spectrum analyser results
17:43:57LinusNwebguest89: well, i guess i'm one of those
17:44:02webguest89I did some resoldering the other day.... just the power connector
17:44:05webguest89thanks linus
17:44:24safetydanpreglow, I've been trying to find a decent tool for that under Linux...
17:44:55webguest89after reassembling, only the ON and OFF buttons work... USB is fine, too.
17:45:29webguest89I can switch the jukebox on and off, but I believe this is an extra circuit...
17:45:48webguest89no next, no function keys...
17:46:00LinusNwebguest89: ok, that sounds bad
17:47:02LinusNthat might be caused by a bad ground connection
17:47:16LinusNis it a v1 or v2?
17:47:25webguest89its a V1
17:47:40LinusNcheck that all the ground connections to the chassis are ok
17:47:56LinusNthere should be about 6 of them iirc
17:48:07webguest89do you mean those 6 .... okay
17:48:32webguest89I've soldered the ground of the power connector to one of them...
17:48:53LinusNwith an extra wire?
17:49:52LinusNthen you should perhaps check that the wire isn't pierced by any other solder joints on the pcb
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17:50:43webguest89no, I removed the outlet (?) already one modifications before. I've a simple plastic piece to prevent it from tied out and soldered the wired to the appropiate pins
17:50:55webguest89I'm going to check that
17:51:58webguest89well - I have to disassemble it again completly... one moment please
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17:54:38preglowsafetydan: i'll try to do some measurements one day, but i'm pretty certain there's nothing wrong with the eq
17:54:46preglowsafetydan: and it's pretty widely known that the winamp eq is shite
17:54:50earHertzIs there a doxygen documenattion of teh rockbox code?
17:55:04earHertzwant one?
17:55:04safetydanpreglow, just passing on random forum posters opinions :)
17:55:22earHertzok, I'll post it
17:55:23safetydanpreglow, I think I've got RightMark Audio thingy running under Linux so I might see what that says
17:55:41preglowi'm pretty certain i tried feeding the eq white noise and trying it at different freqs
17:55:44preglowand concluding it's good
17:55:47preglowbut can't remember too good
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17:57:36safetydanwell evidence is always good so if I get somewhere I might build a wiki page proving it works fine
17:57:59ep0choh if only rockbox had a built in tone generator like foobar, checking the eq would be simpler
17:58:31ep0chif i get time i might do some testing too
18:03:38safetydanbah, it would seem I don't have my recording cable here
18:03:42safetydancan't do testing then
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18:07:43Jungti1234anyone? :)
18:12:47webguest89LinusN: the interface board had 0 ohms ground links to the battery gnd / powers supply gnd... now I've triple checked the extra connnections I made. do you know if a schematics of the power circuit exitst?
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18:16:46SereR0kRhow can I format a HFS+ iPod to FAT32 under Linux/OSX
18:19:33SereR0kRok got it ThX
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19:02:03webguest89LinusN: as far as I've figured out the µC constantly monitors the AN4 and AN5 inputs, which can be tied to the A/D converter. if I push one button the voltage changes and due to the resistor a certain voltage is being applied to the µC.
19:04:39ep0chi've done some quick eq testing... i generated a 60hz sine wave and compared the shelving filter at 60hz 0.7Q at -12db and -24db against adobe audition 2. it looks like the rockbox eq aint that bad, only about 2db difference at -12db and 4db at -24db. if that makes sense :)
19:05:03webguest89LinusN: i think a possible failure is that the voltage wouldnt change when I push a button? is there a way to check that? it's kind of hard checking when disassembled....
19:05:35safetydanep0ch, apparently the shelving filter works fine, it's the peak filters that don't seem to work at low frequencies
19:06:07webguest89LinusN: or is there some other way triggering the µC to check the voltages on AN4/AN5?
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19:06:28ep0chok i'll do it again in a couple of hours
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19:08:11safetydanep0ch, thanks for doing the testing. it'll be nice to have evidence
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19:29:43nudelynAnyone know what the best lossy codec is for a 5G iPod at the moment, in terms of battery life/stability/gapless? (All my music is FLAC so I can convert to whatever.)
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19:36:31Bgernudelyn maybe mp3 ...
19:40:19Paul_The_NerdNah, vorbis
19:40:35Paul_The_NerdVorbis actually runs more efficiently than MP3 as far as I can tell (on iPods) because it already has arm optimizations
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19:49:41nudelynthanks, will use vorbis
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19:50:44Paul_The_NerdEventually though, MP3 will probably be better, so you may want to choose that just so you don't have to reencode later for slightly better battery life.
19:50:55Kingstonepaul, are you a nerd?
19:50:55Paul_The_NerdBut vorbis does have better gapless.
19:51:02nudelyni don't mind reencoding, i can just leave it overnight
19:51:18nudelynlame-encoded mp3 should be equally good for gapless right?
19:51:34Paul_The_NerdThen definitely vorbis for now, though until the cpu boosting code is in, the battery life is only really affected by how often it has to spin-up to buffer, I think.
19:51:39KingstonePaul_The_Nerd, where would you go on a first date?
19:51:55Paul_The_NerdKingstone: Well now, that depends on the girl.
19:52:08nudelynhmm, might go with mp3 then
19:53:05Paul_The_Nerdnudelyn: But yeah, lame-encoded is near-perfect gapless. Apparently since the songs are compressed differently there might be a very slight difference in the way the two songs sound at the transition point, so where there's no audible gap you might hear a change. But this is just what I heard someone say once, so it could be entirely BS.
19:53:17Kingstonelets say this girl is normal, like a business & management student
19:53:33nudelyni think that's a valid thing, but in 99.999% of cases doesn't produce anything you can notice
19:53:34safetydannudelyn, for gapless, Vorbis is probably a better choice
19:53:45KingstonePaul_The_Nerd, how old are you?
19:53:50nudelyni read something in the vorbis source code about smoothing over the transition to avoid the lack of continuity
19:54:07safetydanYou could always just put the FLAC files on there :)
19:54:08nudelyn(shame the encoders cannot make sure the tracks match exactly but that's life)
19:54:25Paul_The_NerdKingstone: Man, what's with you. I'm 23, I date girls, I am really a nerd, that doesn't negatively affect my love life.
19:54:41Kingstonedo you live with your parents?
19:54:48*Paul_The_Nerd rolls his eyes.
19:54:56Paul_The_NerdNo. I live on my own. I support myself.
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19:55:02Kingstoneso why you think you're a nerd?
19:55:10Kingstonewhat makes you a nerd
19:55:14safetydanNothing wrong with being a nerd
19:55:17*safetydan is a nerd/geek
19:55:45Kingstonea nerd/geek is a way of behavior, a man that like computers or programming isn't nessecarily a nerd
19:55:55Paul_The_NerdI'm a nerd because I say I'm a nerd. That's reason enough there. Because I spend my spare time in here, trying to help out with a project that interests me on Friday nights, rather than partying with the rest of the college students in this town.
19:56:18Kingstoneyou can do both
19:56:40Kingstoneyou can party on friday night and help here in other times
19:56:44safetydanand I'm spending my Saturday night trying to get libspeex up and running
19:56:48Paul_The_NerdNerd itself is a word Dr. Seuss made up for a creature in his book. Therefor any application of the word as an adjective is purely up to the subjective desires for the meaning of it of those using or hearing the word.
19:56:49preglowi don't necessarily limit nerd/geek to mean computer stuff
19:56:54Mikachuit usually produces bad code if you code in bars
19:57:00Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Did I hear "libspeex"?
19:57:03preglowif you easily dive deep into stuff, that qualifies
19:57:15safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, I'm not the first person to try. But yes, libspeex
19:57:18Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Yeah. There are band-nerds, and even sports-nerds.
19:57:24preglowi'm a beer geek :>
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19:57:40*safetydan is a computer/photography/beer/gaming geek
19:57:43Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Not the first, but it's nice to hear it's back alive, even briefly. I wants it for audiobooks./
19:57:50safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, that's my interest too
19:57:51preglowphotography does it for me too
19:58:15safetydansupposedly the fixed point work is done though there's a worrying number of "implicit refernce to cos()" warnings
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19:58:26preglowthey use a lot of libm stuff
19:58:30preglowthat needs to be put in lookup tables
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19:59:43preglowback to beer, bbl
19:59:44safetydanwell step 1 is done, it compiles
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20:06:23Paul_The_NerdAnd runs slower than cold molasses, or not at all?
20:07:51safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, I only said "it compiles" not that it runs yet :)
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20:09:42Paul_The_NerdNotice I left the "not at all" option in there.
20:10:13safetydanthere's float's all over the place
20:10:22*safetydan wonders if they have a different definition of fixed-point
20:10:27Paul_The_NerdI thought you said it was supposed to be "fixed-point"
20:10:50safetydanIt comes with a configure option for fixed point
20:11:46KevinMhi all, rockbox dev newbie here. I've written a plugin that reads the iTunesDB playlists on an ipod and lets you select one to play.
20:12:01Paul_The_NerdWhich means you either have to trust it, or follow the code.
20:12:08KevinMI've only tested it on my nano and wondering what I should do next for testing.
20:12:23Paul_The_NerdKevinM: Post it to the patch tracker, and maybe mention it in the iPod section of the forums.
20:13:44KevinMdo i need to register to post to the patch tracker?
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20:15:22Paul_The_NerdI believe you do.
20:15:46Paul_The_NerdActually, there is an "open new task anonymously" option, it seems
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20:20:13KevinMthanks, i'll contact zagor to register
20:21:11Paul_The_NerdUmm, there's a simple form to fill out and that's it.
20:21:16Paul_The_NerdYou're looking at the flyspray patch tracker?
20:22:16KevinMyeah, i did that and there's something there about being bumped up to the developer's group.
20:23:46Paul_The_NerdAh, that's not necessary for posting a patch or anything though
20:24:14pyroI can't get this flyspray thing to work either, although I can't access sourceforge right now either
20:24:49Paul_The_NerdThe sourceforge tracker is gone, so you'll not really ever be able to access it.
20:25:00Paul_The_NerdWhat kinda problems are you having with flyspray pyro?
20:25:15pyrowell it says I need to reset the password before using flyspray, and to do that I need to get to sourceforge
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20:25:56Paul_The_Nerdpyro: Why do you need to get to sourceforge to reset your flyspray password?
20:26:12pyroI dont know -
20:26:16Paul_The_NerdClick the lost password link in the upper right of the flyspray page.
20:26:47Paul_The_NerdYou need to tell *flyspray* to reset your password.
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20:28:12pyrok, sorry about this. I think I only logged into sourceforge once :p Where is the e-mail supposed to go telling you the new pw?
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20:29:32Paul_The_Nerdpyro: The email goes to wherever you told sourceforge your email address was. Flyspray sends it to your username at sourceforge, and sourceforge forwards it.
20:30:06pyrothe page I linked to before says it will go to: "<username> " Ok, I guess I'm just waiting for the link to be sent. Perhaps sourceforge e-mail is down too, since I can't get to their website
20:30:55Paul_The_NerdHrm. works for me.
20:31:11Paul_The_NerdBut yeah, it goes to that, and then sourceforge sends it on to whatever email address you supplied them with.
20:31:39pyrohehe, now I can get to it - I'm not crazy - I swear
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20:32:09Paul_The_NerdIt should show up eventually. It did for me, at least.
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20:34:20pyroonce this all goes through, do I need to get to the "developers" list before sending a patch?
20:35:09Paul_The_NerdI *think* the developer's list is primarily for those with commit access.
20:36:23pyrook, so do I send the patch through CVS or through the Flyspray page somewhere?
20:36:35Paul_The_NerdThe flyspray page.
20:36:41safetydanYeah the developer group is for people with commit access
20:36:44Paul_The_NerdYou just create a new task and attach it.
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20:37:13saa[b_r]iderhey guys. any chance of getting some help with cygwin?
20:37:45pyrook thanks Paul. I think I'll manage from here
20:38:00Kohlrabimaybe, saa[b_r]ider
20:38:02Paul_The_Nerdsaa[b_r]ider: What occurs?
20:38:06KohlrabiWhat's the problem?
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20:38:50saa[b_r]iderthanks guys. this is the first time I install cygwin, I installed it to run fontforge
20:39:49saa[b_r]idersupposedly I installed it properly. but I'm not sure exactly how to start it :)
20:40:18saa[b_r]iderfirst of all cygwin.bat is 0 Kb
20:40:19Paul_The_Nerd <−−- Apparently installation instructions for Fontforge in cygwin
20:41:04Paul_The_NerdMy Cygwin.bat is 58bytes, so it sounds like you may not be properly installed
20:41:46saa[b_r]ideri've downloaded from several sources. dunno what I'm doing wrong
20:42:57Kohlrabiyou got the cygwin folder?
20:43:05Kohlrabion HD?
20:43:27Kohlrabiwith all thos folders /bin /usr and so on?
20:43:33KohlrabiAnd there arre files in these?
20:43:42Paul_The_NerdCygwin.bat *should* run /<wherever you installed to>/bin/bash.exe −−login -i
20:43:54Kohlrabiif it's installed ;)
20:44:05KohlrabiSome friend of mine had the same problem today
20:44:17Kohlrabimaybe, that is
20:44:23KohlrabiHe said that nothing was installed
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20:45:23Paul_The_NerdWell, if the download step doesn't finish, it never gets to the install step. Have there been other install problems along the way?
20:48:23saa[b_r]iderKohlrabi: got the cygwin folder, on HD, with the /bin /usr folders, with files in them :)
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20:49:25Sanvideo plays on the H100, right?
20:49:30Kohlrabimaybe just the bat is broken then
20:49:31Paul_The_NerdSan: No.
20:49:32Sanor is that the recorders?
20:49:50Paul_The_NerdSan: It's just on the recorders I believe, and only in that special format.
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20:52:23pyroPaul: I tried resetting my password on Flyspray. I also sent an e-mail to myself at to check if the e-mail was forwarding. I got the forwarded e-mail but no flyspray password reset e-mail
20:53:18Paul_The_Nerdpyro: At this point, you need to contact someone much higher up on the food chain than me. Heh.
20:53:38Paul_The_NerdI suppose Zagor
20:54:57pyroalright, thx
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21:16:35SereRokRit's so hard to boot the original iPod Firmware from rockbox -.-
21:16:58Adityaits cause you touch your little sister at night
21:17:08SereRokRnot really
21:18:34Paul_The_NerdSereRokR: Well, generally speaking the idea is that you wouldn't *want* to boot the original firmware very often, or at all.
21:19:15SereRokRhm but the power management on Rockbox really suxx ;>
21:20:26Paul_The_NerdWell, it doesn't suck.
21:20:29Paul_The_NerdIt just doesn't exist yet.
21:20:44SereRokRwhen will it exist? =P
21:20:51Paul_The_NerdWhen someone makes it.
21:21:31Paul_The_NerdSo what do you use rockbox for then, if the battery life is too bad for you?
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21:21:52SereRokRi uninstalled it
21:22:38Paul_The_NerdWhich is really the right choice, if rockbox doesn't fill your needs.
21:23:12SereRokRyep ;>
21:23:43Paul_The_NerdMeanwhile, I use it exclusively. :)
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21:25:21BHSPitLappyI just updated for the first time in a while yesterday, lots of cool stuff had been added
21:25:28BHSPitLappythe audio stuff is awesome
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21:27:01Paul_The_NerdWhich audio stuff?
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21:31:22pyroI finally got my first patch in: H3x0 New USB Charging Functionality. Just a general question though. Why are some of the patches been sitting there for so long without either being deleted or being commited?
21:32:04Paul_The_NerdSome of them are, for example, patches that some people might find useful, but would increase code size in general and not be useful to many (or any but a select few).
21:32:18Paul_The_NerdOr sometimes they just don't get noticed, or get forgotten and haven't been cleaned up.
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21:33:17pyrook. just curious
21:33:32Paul_The_Nerdit kinda varies. There's a lot of possible reasons really
21:33:51AdityaWhy the hell did FOX cancel firefly!
21:34:01pyroyeah, I guess all of them don't necessary "benefit" rockbox in general
21:34:04muesli-cos _FireFly_ is here ^^
21:34:24Paul_The_NerdBecause they're Fox. Do you really need to ask? They cancelled Futurama and Firefly too. I think they want the exclusive use of the letter F.
21:34:31Paul_The_NerdFuturama and Family Guy rather
21:34:35AdityaI just watch serenity
21:34:44Adityaand I now hate FOX something fiercer
21:35:02Paul_The_Nerdpyro: Well, in some cases it's also because they *would* benefit Rockbox, but they still need work done, and nobody's finished fixing problems with them.
21:37:32AdityaI dont know for sure but I feel some of those bugs need other bugs to be fixed first
21:37:50Adityaas in bug B cant be fixed before bug A is
21:38:18Bgerif B depends on A, yes ...
21:38:31Adityaway to be redundant
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22:05:01Papricawhat do you think on 160x128 RockCalendar version?
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22:07:22Paul_The_NerdWhy does Sat the 4th have an white number, but the 20th and 28th don't?
22:07:54Adityatoday is the 4th?
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22:08:32Papricabecause the cursor on the 4th
22:08:41Paul_The_NerdConsidering how dark that shade can look, I think it may best to invert the color of the number on all tiles that dark, and come up for another way of indicating what's selected?
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22:10:10Papricai think the invert color is the best way for cursor
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22:11:45Paul_The_NerdI'm just saying that things like the 20th and 28th will be hard to read for a lot of people, because that gray is very dark on the actual screen
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22:13:25Papricammm ok i will make it brighter
22:13:57Paul_The_NerdWell, there's only "dark gray" "light gray" "black" and "white" unless you're going to use the grayscale library.
22:14:52Mikachumaybe you can have a white box around the number?
22:14:57Adityayou could draw an inner border
22:15:02Adityastop reading my mind!
22:15:05Mikachui mean background for the text
22:15:25Adityajust draw a white box around the cursor box
22:15:25Paul_The_NerdSo you cal always read the number, independent of cell color.
22:15:36AdityaI know...
22:15:49Adityabut I am thinking it would be easier to just draw a box around the cursor cell
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22:16:24Paul_The_NerdWell, Mikachu's suggestion would create a much more uniform graphical style than having some numbers in black, and some in white, depending on the color of their cell.
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22:23:28Papricamm i cant do LCD_BRIGHTNESS(120)?
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22:23:48Papricai need to use only
22:23:48Paprica#define LCD_BLACK LCD_BRIGHTNESS(0)
22:23:48Paprica#define LCD_DARKGRAY LCD_BRIGHTNESS(85)
22:23:48DBUGEnqueued KICK Paprica
22:23:48Paprica#define LCD_LIGHTGRAY LCD_BRIGHTNESS(170)
22:23:48Paprica#define LCD_WHITE LCD_BRIGHTNESS(255)
22:24:41Paul_The_NerdThe thing is that if you set it to any other number, I believe it will approximate to one of those anyway.
22:24:55Adityathe display is what limits it really
22:25:03Adityayou cant ask a monochorme monitor to do color
22:25:15Adityayou can send RGB, but it will probably just show black/white
22:25:28Adityaand bah.. just realized Paul_The_Nerd said the same thing
22:25:39AdityaI must be more tired than I feel
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22:37:17Papricanow is it ok?
22:38:14MoosPaprica: does your new calendar plugin is working for all platforms?
22:38:36AdityaI dont know Paprica ... that looks kinda ugly
22:38:46Papricanot yet, h300,ipod 4gen/color,h100
22:38:48Adityathe random white boxes around the 20 and 28 that is
22:39:05Papricait's a type of event
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22:39:55MoosPaprica: good start :), did you planed to replace the current one?
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22:40:45Papricamm i dont know how could i port it to the archos targets with the tiny screen
22:41:07Adityayou could do some sort of extra dot instead of the baloon?
22:41:12Adityafor the archos I mean
22:41:23Adityaand make all the boxes smaller
22:41:29Adityawhats the size of the archos?
22:41:31Adityares I mean
22:41:36Moosthat is the hard part, cause if you want to commit it you need to replace the current one, that mean make it valaible for all tagets :(
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22:43:30PapricaMoos, ?
22:43:43PapricaAditya, (LCD_WIDTH == 112) && (LCD_HEIGHT == 64)
22:44:09Papricai dont know what to do about the keyboard
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22:44:13MoosPaprica: what what? :)
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22:44:42Papricamm ok, i didnt saw your previous message
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22:46:01Papricasomeone want to try the calendar on the h100?
22:46:05linuxstbPaprica: Maybe you could just display 2 or 3 weeks at a time on the smaller LCDs, and have a button to toggle between displaying the first or second half of the month.
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22:46:49Bgereven moving the cursor should be enough
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22:47:10Papricayeah, could be nice
22:47:24Papricaand about the keyboard?
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22:48:05Papricaok i think that i know what to do
22:48:12linuxstbYou could use the existing Rockbox keyboard.
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22:48:34Papricait doest have multi line message
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22:49:02safetydanhrmm.... libspeex compile is moving in to include path weirdness time...
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22:50:16*Moos missed that safetydan was working on libspexx O.O
22:50:24Moosgood luck man ;)
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22:51:21safetydanI'm probably going to need it :)
22:51:34Mooshehe :-)
22:52:05linuxstbsafetydan: Are you compiling for the sim or a target?
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22:52:34safetydanlinuxstb, sim at the moment, but target fails in the same way
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22:52:53linuxstbI normally find the target and sim fail in different ways when first porting code...
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22:53:30linuxstbBut I find it useful to get it compiling for both as early as possible.
22:54:25safetydanThe problem is doing #include <speex/speex.h> leads to a cascade of other includes that don't work
22:55:08Mikachumaybe you need #include <speex.h> and -I/usr/include/speex ? some packages are like that
22:55:46safetydanactually now target compile is dying with linking errors
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22:56:34safetydanI had totally forgotten about -I
22:56:37BHSPitLappyrockbox does voice menus, right
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23:02:55coobi knocked up a build of pz0 ages ago that did it too
23:03:04coobbut there were some problems i never got around to sorting out
23:03:10coobrockbox uses voice clips
23:03:25coobthis podzilla build used a tts engine (flite)
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23:03:40coobused up around 4 meg of ram though
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23:22:16fiftyfour123is it possible to install rockbox on a HFS formateed 5g ipod
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23:26:58fiftyfour123anyone here?
23:27:37linuxstbYou have to format your iPod as FAT32 if you want to use Rockbox.
23:28:08muesli__what are ipods formatted as standard???
23:28:09linuxstbThe installation page has some instructions for doing that in Mac OS if you don't have access to a Windows PC.
23:28:26fiftyfour123i have to change it to FAT32 to install it?
23:28:37linuxstbmuesli__: I think they leave the factory as FAT32, but the first version of iTunes that uses it (Windows or Mac) will reformat it appropriately.
23:28:48linuxstbfiftyfour123: Yes.
23:29:04fiftyfour123will HFS ipods ever be supported?
23:29:14Shadowarrior13Rockbox supports HFS
23:29:16Shadowarrior13Doesn't it?
23:29:22linuxstbShadowarrior13: No.
23:29:49linuxstbfiftyfour123: Only if someone adds a HFS filesystem driver to Rockbox - which is a long and hard job.
23:30:25fiftyfour123are there any other "things" for ipod like ipl and rockbox or are those the only 2?
23:30:49linuxstbNothing else that I know of.
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23:44:19youngcerealhuhu wer kann deutsch
23:44:33youngcerealhabe gerade keine zeit für english sorry
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23:44:50youngcerealund kennt sich mit den battery interna aus von rockbox
23:44:56Bagderbut this an english channel
23:45:06Bagderso use english or try a german channel
23:45:14youngcereali do it in english
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23:45:32youngcerealhow know the battery interna of rockbox
23:45:37youngcereali habve written
23:45:42youngcerealan patch for ipod
23:45:53youngcerealmy problems are the skal
23:46:12youngcerealit give not the correkt value
23:46:34youngcerealand a linie out for the dock
23:46:40youngcerealall g4 photo teste
23:47:20youngcerealalso my problem is what the hell is skale
23:48:01youngcereali must do this
23:48:01youngcerealthe ipod g4 photo has an
23:48:49youngcereal950 or 1000 liio akku
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23:50:15youngcerealhow scale in the ipod color.h must i take
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23:52:43amiconnLinusN: Today I had two ideas how to fix the spurious off problem on the recorder and would like to know what you think:
23:53:02youngcerealalso 700 mAh
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23:53:11amiconn(1) We could debounce OFF separately, with a higher number of consecutive reads
23:53:13youngcerealis on the ipod photo
23:53:22youngcerealwat skale i must do
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23:55:05amiconn(2) What about switching the GPIO pin to output for a very short time, outputting High, then switching to input and read?
23:55:05LinusNyoungcereal: you need to measure the battery power with a multimeter and compare with the A/D reading, and calculate a scale factor from it
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23:55:43youngcerealah ok thanks then i do it and test it
23:55:49amiconnShould have the effect of a stronger pullup
23:55:56youngcerealto LinusN
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23:56:25amiconnLinusN: Do you know whether the v2/fm also suffers from this problem?
23:56:32youngcerealLinusN: if i think it is ok can i send you the code for a second test ?
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23:58:11LinusNamiconn: no, i don't think so
23:58:45LinusNyoungcereal: i don't have an ipod
23:58:50youngcerealoh ok

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