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#rockbox log for 2006-03-07

00:00:37markunbtw, what do you guys think of a loadable vkeyboard map?
00:01:52Paul_The_NerdSounds like a good idea to me, at least
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00:02:53markunFor me it doesn't matter, but I can imagine some people wanting to have a greek or cyrillic vkeyboard
00:03:29Mikachui don't know how specific they are, but the ipodlinux people have lots of input method type things
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00:04:35Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.
00:06:20*preglow strokes the eq plotter
00:07:03markunpreglow: is it ready?
00:11:57preglowno, but now it works on pc, at least
00:12:03preglowstill need a better sin()
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00:13:47qwmi hate BHSPitLappy so much.
00:14:05Mikachulook in the bible for some good sins
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00:19:11preglowat least no one needs to worry too much this plotter will be fast
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00:20:33Ben-burns-to-shi,5 ░,5 hello?! are colors allowed here? ,5 ░
00:20:40markunBen-burns-to-shi: no :)
00:21:07Ben-burns-to-shi,5 ░,5 ok ,5 ░
00:22:02ender`ugh, my eyes!
00:22:10Ben-burns-to-shii'm discovering the wonderful work of rockbox
00:22:26Ben-burns-to-shiand i have some questions to ask
00:23:20Ben-burns-to-shican anyone explain me how you code firmwares to DAP?
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00:23:29preglowyou do just like we do
00:23:35preglowit's quite a lot to explain
00:23:47preglowfirst you need to find out how the hardware is connected
00:23:52Ben-burns-to-shibut you surely use a language for example
00:23:52preglowand what parts there are
00:23:58preglowwe use c and assembler
00:24:02preglowmostly c
00:24:03Mooslostlogic: red builds in case you didn't notice
00:24:53Ben-burns-to-shiok so you study the architecture of the driver first to note which components there are
00:26:04Ben-burns-to-shiis it possible to contribute itself to the community by helping programming some parts of a firmware?
00:26:30Moosall help is much apreciated here
00:28:07MoosRockbox have one full Wiki, and you can dowload the source for look at it
00:28:13preglowi only contribute small part of it myself
00:28:22preglowlarge parts of rockbox i have no idea how works
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00:28:58Ben-burns-to-shii owe a iaudio X5 and i find the cowon's firmware very poor of functionalities
00:29:00Moospreglow: hehe modest? :)
00:29:23Mikachui got the impression most devs don't know most of rockbox
00:29:34MoosRb is vaste
00:29:43Mooslot of differents things
00:29:52Ben-burns-to-shiand if I could do something to help producing a better FW, i would enjoy it
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00:30:48preglowMoos: tons of people do more stuff than i do
00:31:03Moosindeed !
00:31:14preglowbenBurnsToShine: and you're welcome to help, just find a corner you like and start coding
00:31:31preglowand ask whenever you wonder about something
00:31:32Moospreglow: but your dsp competency is apreciated ;)
00:32:29benBurnsToShineand how could i begin to do that ? reading some specifications of the player? reading some examples of codes already written?
00:33:06preglowwhat dap've you got?
00:33:17benBurnsToShineiaudio X5 60Gb
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00:33:44preglowin which case coding on an actual unit will be a bit hard
00:33:55preglowi think LinusN is the main man working on that port
00:34:16preglowif you want to work on the port itself, you'll probably want to ask him if there's something you can do
00:34:22preglowand he doesn't seem to be on right now
00:34:29benBurnsToShinebut he's not here...
00:34:40MoosLinusN is very busy like always
00:35:14Moosbut don't worries that will hapen
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00:35:37benBurnsToShineand where are U from all of U?
00:35:51Moosand for your help, see first if you want to contribute on the low level things or high level ones
00:36:04Mooslot of differents cities
00:36:09benBurnsToShinelow level=hardware?
00:36:11Moosbut mainly Europe
00:36:15benBurnsToShinelow leve=software?
00:36:59benBurnsToShinehow can we contribute to the low level? i only thought about programming firmwares....
00:37:17Moosdid you read a bit documentations yet?
00:37:30benBurnsToShinenot yet
00:37:31Moosour Wiki is reall y great
00:37:49preglowbenBurnsToShine: low-level would be driver-programming
00:37:52benBurnsToShineWiki is an abreviation?
00:37:56preglowbenBurnsToShine: not lots you can do with the hardware
00:38:00RickbenBurnsToShine: no
00:38:08preglowbenBurnsToShine: a wiki is a website that anyone can edit
00:38:17preglowbenBurnsToShine: and we've got one on
00:38:33benBurnsToShinei've seen it
00:38:46preglowbut yeah
00:38:57preglowfamiliarising yourself with how rockbox works in the meantime might be clever
00:39:02preglowperhaps playing around with the simulator
00:40:14benBurnsToShinea way to do a unit test?
00:40:20Moosyour DAP in your computer sort of
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00:40:35Moosfor tests things
00:40:50preglowbenBurnsToShine: it's a way to compile rockbox on your computer, it's a great deal faster than testing stuff on your dap
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00:41:02preglowbenBurnsToShine: but it doesn't work for low-level stuff that requires the dap hardware, of course
00:41:26benBurnsToShineok cool
00:42:06benBurnsToShineis there a simulator for each dap?
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00:44:06Moosyep and the X5 one is already ready
00:45:39charkinsI'm new to rockbox myself and was thinking about hacking the id3db stuff a bit (hangs on my ipod).
00:45:57charkinsIs anyone actively working on it?
00:45:57preglowthis fixed point stuff is an eternal precision nightmare
00:46:09preglowcharkins: it's going to be replaced pretty soon
00:46:26preglowcharkins: we've got someone working on a replacement for the entire database system
00:46:28charkinsis the replacement in cvs or yet to be checked in
00:46:36preglowyet to be checked in
00:46:39Moospreglow: good luck :(
00:46:39preglowslasheri is working on it
00:46:48charkinssweet, looking forward to testing that out then
00:46:58preglowit'll generate the database on the unit
00:47:01preglowwill be completely sweet
00:47:17Moosand modify tag on the fly too :)
00:47:50charkinsYou guys rock by the way. Had a neuros since they first came out and have been waiting to replace it with something new. Noticed last night that ipod 5g was pretty stable so picked one up this morning.
00:47:50Moosthat will be one of the best feature
00:50:01benBurnsToShinewhere can i find the simulator for iaudio X5, i don't find it
00:50:24preglowbenBurnsToShine: you need to check out the source code from cvs and build it
00:52:51MoosbenBurnsToShine: here one screen shoot I made for you can see how it looks:
00:53:19Moosbut like preglow said you need to build it yourself
00:53:35benBurnsToShinethanks Moos
00:54:22Moosif you use windows, check this:
00:54:30midkayanyone in here have an ipod with rockbox?
00:54:47herz42midkay: yes
00:54:58Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Aye.
00:55:17MoosbenBurnsToShine: look this before
00:55:27midkayherz42, i'm not sure if you're a long-time user but - have you - oh, Paul_The_Nerd, cool ;) - have either of you drained your battery to the point of the battery icon and ! symbol?
00:55:41Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I have, a couple times.
00:55:47midkayPaul_The_Nerd, w/ rockbox?
00:55:56Paul_The_NerdIn fact, I'm in the middle of doing it again.
00:56:10Paul_The_NerdBut I have a nano. Why do you ask?
00:56:37midkayPaul_The_Nerd, perfect.
00:56:43midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i helped a friend install rockbox yesterday..
00:56:57Moosben: french?
00:57:12midkaynow he's saying he got the battery and ! icon earlier.. he's been charging it for like 1/2hr now and still blank LCD and not mounted in windows..
00:57:37Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Okay, if the USB cable is plugged in, just hold Menu+Select until it reboots itself from the battery screen. It should go through the bootloader, then mount.
00:58:04Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Even with the blank screen, menu+select should do it, if held down long enough for the hard-reset to trigger
00:58:11Paul_The_NerdAt least, it worked for me
00:58:44benBurnsToShineouÚ francais
00:59:14herz42I also got that symbol some time. Had to wait a while, but then it worked with a reset as Paul_the_Nerd said
00:59:16MoosbenBurnsToShine: register your nick and check pm then ;)
00:59:36benBurnsToShinewho is pm!?
00:59:50benBurnsToShinei've registered now
00:59:54midkayPaul_The_Nerd, that seems to have worked. :) thanks a lot!
01:00:17MoosbenBurnsToShine: can you check my pm?
01:00:20Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: No problem. Even when you drain it completely with RetailOS, I've had problems with that screen on my nano.
01:01:07herz42same on 5g
01:01:23midkayPaul_The_Nerd, he says thanks too :) i've only once drained it to the battery dead icon on my 5g..
01:01:28midkaythat was before rockbox though.
01:02:42Moosgood night preglow
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01:06:02midkayPaul_The_Nerd, damn - we just lost a user ;)
01:06:49Paul_The_NerdOh darn. I'm not sure if I'll ever survive the shame.
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01:08:15midkayPaul_The_Nerd, it's all your fault too..
01:09:06Paul_The_NerdOh? Where did we lose this user?
01:09:22midkayPaul_The_Nerd, just kidding (@ 'your fault')
01:09:55Paul_The_NerdWell, I've told a person or two "This probably isn't going to change" and heard them respond "Well then, I'm not gonna use rockbox" so there's been a few "my faults" before.
01:10:11Paul_The_NerdNot that I *created* the feature, I just relayed old argument results about it. :)
01:10:16midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha, those are idiots..
01:10:50Paul_The_Nerd"Man, I love gapless, and this, and that, and something else, but it doesn't look very good so I think I'll stick with the original."
01:10:55midkay*enters* "its to ugly!!" "then don't use it..?" "mabe i wont!! so there!!" *leaves*
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01:23:42lostlogicon the ipod wheel, the position values are between 0 and 95? with zero being top? and we only account for up-to half way around in one 'button' event?
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01:42:41MoosNight all
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01:56:48lostlogicHmm, what's more important in get_button for ipod: reducing the number of instructions in calculating scroll, or having equal cost paths for typical forward and backward events?
01:58:28youngcerea1forward backward
01:58:39youngcerea1have find the commands
01:59:34earHertzlostlogic: reduce the instructions. Besides, forward and backward are not equally likely occurances on teh ipod
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02:40:20JdGordy|unihey any1 here?
02:40:52JdGordy|uniwell... any of the devs around?
02:41:43youngcerea1what is your request meby i can help
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04:30:41lostlogicearHertz: I think I've got the button driver so that forward or backward are the same, and the only paths that are slightly slower are the wrap cases.
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04:32:55gracchusrb on 5g ipod is very nice, thanks to all
04:33:36gracchusis there someone actively working on recording?
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04:34:27gracchusI see the ipl WM8758 mic init code doesn't seem to exist yet
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04:41:05Paul_The_Nerdgracchus: I don't know, but I think nobody's working on recording on iPods at the moment.
04:41:59gracchusok, thanks
04:46:28lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: have you seen any cases when scrolling forward continuously of the scroll moving backwards one unit as you cross the top of the wheel?
04:47:07Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: No, I have not. I seem to recall that being a bug early on with the driver, and then becoming fixed, but all I remember is a faint memory of a commit message regarding something like that.
04:47:17lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: thanks
04:48:21Paul_The_Nerd"Button driver would insert erronous events when wheel position overflowed, this fixes it." on the 22 of Dec
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04:50:41*BHSPitLappy so happy!
04:51:00lostlogichmm... my new code should deal with that, but I'm getting problems with the forward wrap, blah.
04:51:19lostlogicBHSPitMonkey: about?
04:51:33BHSPitLappymy brand new 5G I just opened!
04:52:28JdGordonnow rb it!
04:52:41BHSPitLappyASAP :P
04:52:57BHSPitLappyI'm actually wanting to get it physically protected and stuff first
04:53:07BHSPitLappyI still haven't taken off the protective film :P
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04:56:23dpassen130 GB or 60?
05:01:34ScoTTiedamn, if anyone see's someone in here with an iPod Mini 2G can you get them to msg me ?
05:01:46ScoTTieneed to test the keypad code for 2G
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05:23:44Paul_The_NerdYeah, the battery scale is *definitely* off for the Nano
05:23:57Paul_The_NerdIt started at 90%, and now it's been at 0% for a little while. :)
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05:31:43Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Okay,the battery bench plugin does *not* automatically write on the iPod Nano ever. If I cause the plugin to exit by running another one, I get a proper battery reading (including voltage, since that's supported now, with a small change to the config-ipodnano), but if I just leave it running, the plugin never automatically updates the .txt, only when you manually cause the plugin to exit
05:38:25XavierGrhmmm maybe it has to do with the disk spinning issues.
05:38:44XavierGron ondio this is simulated but this doesn't work on nano.
05:39:15XavierGrtry this: start the benchmark and leave it for a few hours running. Then make the trick you do to force the input
05:39:28XavierGrnormally there will be more events recorded
05:40:02XavierGrbecause on nano there is no HD spin event so the plugin will never write data to the file. Instead it will log the data temporary in memory.
05:40:57XavierGrif you do the trick you say maybe you will get some measurements, but until the HD simulation is fixed the plugin will ot work correctly.
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05:43:37Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Unfortunately, I really just need to see at what level, roughly, the iPod turns off at, so I get a voltage reading.
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05:44:10Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Fortunately, I got one at 6% for 3510
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06:01:00JdGordonany1 here know the list or screen_access code?
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06:22:03lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: What kind of battery is it? I'm hopeful that it's just a scaling problem and not an ADC problem.
06:22:30Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I honestly have no clue.
06:22:44Adityagnight y'all
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06:24:28Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Apparently this is the same as the one built in:−−-330-mah.html
06:24:46Paul_The_NerdLi-ion, 3.7v, 330mAh
06:27:18Paul_The_NerdIt's *possible* my battery wasn't fully charged when it said 90%, but I'm moderately sure it was. It didn't stay on 0% very long before it died though (5-10 minutes, I think)
06:27:22lostlogichmm... will probably have to define another battery type for it, because it can probably run down to a much lwer level
06:27:33lostlogicand also probably reports a slightly lower voltage at full charge being such a low cap
06:27:54lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: let me know if you notice a difference with my slightly improved button interrupt ;)
06:28:23Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: When did that go in?
06:28:35lostlogicabout 3 minutes ago
06:29:33Paul_The_Nerd"Completely unscientific" eh?
06:30:39lostlogicI think it felt better. does that mean anything? no. But it is definitely a couple of registers less and a couple of instructions less in the most common cases
06:31:10Paul_The_NerdWith user input, "feels better" is more important anyway, I'd think.
06:38:26Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: At the very least, there's going to need to be a different range of "Battery Capacity" choices in the menu. :)
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06:48:21BHSPitLappyhey... is the 5G bootloader different?
06:48:39BHSPitLappyI saw that it was red for a while, not sure if I need to use a new version
06:51:13Paul_The_NerdIt's still red, I believe
06:51:54Paul_The_NerdYou should be fine with the old version, anyway. I believe it's an indirect change (it changes some files the bootloader uses, but they won't affect the way rockbox works once you've left the bootloader I think). I could be wrong though
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07:40:14midkay_morning Bg3r
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07:45:11BHSPitMonkeyhey, is there a bug with bejeweled now?
07:45:19BHSPitMonkeyas far as exiting the plugin
07:45:39midkay_not for me..
07:45:48BHSPitMonkeywhat's the combo?
07:45:58midkay_hold select to bring up the menu..
07:46:05midkay_"end game" and then "exit plugin" or something.
07:46:20BHSPitMonkeyah, I'm used to the old combo :P
07:46:24BHSPitMonkeymy bad.
07:46:31midkay_how old? :)
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07:51:02midkay_BHSPitMonkey, did you get your video then?
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07:53:30midkay_enjoying it?
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07:59:14midkay_surely you have a compiled version of hotdog for it, then? ;)
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08:02:44LinusNmidkay_: are you still editing FlySpray?
08:03:06midkay_LinusN, i haven't checked it in a while - recently took up an interest in the wiki ;)
08:03:09BHSPitMonkeymidkay_: who doesn't? :P
08:03:16midkay_just finished fixing up the PluginIndex page
08:03:31LinusNThere is a possibility that ZakkRoberts is editing this topic
08:03:41LinusNthe FLySpray topic
08:03:45midkay_BHSPitMonkey, i know you want to send it to me. and normally i wouldn't allow such a thing, but i think i can make an exception
08:03:54BHSPitMonkeywhen my internet regains its normal speed, I think I'll look at the rockboy code...
08:03:55midkay_LinusN, oh, the wiki topic - i updated it, yes.
08:04:14LinusNbut are you still editing it, or can i take the lock?
08:04:27midkay_i'm done - lock?
08:05:02LinusNa topic is locked for 20 minutes after editing a topic, unless you check the checkbox at the bottom when you save it
08:05:15LinusNi took the lock now
08:05:37midkay_oh, really?
08:05:56midkay_i didn't know that, thanks - i thought it was for disabling the editing of pages by non-administrators or something.
08:07:04LinusNthe lock is there so you can go back and update a page without polluting the history, as long as you still have the lock
08:07:33LinusNand of course to protect against simultaneous editinf
08:07:39midkay_ah, very cool.
08:08:00midkay_but useless for me - the history is already full of edits by me ;)
08:08:29midkay_LinusN, btw - just remembered, i wanted to ask - how does the A-B repeat mode work on the Recorder?
08:08:44midkay_i can't find anything anywhere on the wiki or mailing list
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08:09:07LinusNiirc, you set the A-B mode in the repeat setting
08:09:23midkay_yes, that seems to be how to turn it on - but i can't see how you set A or B markers..
08:09:29LinusNthen you press ON+Left to set the A marker, and ON+Right to set the B marker
08:09:48LinusNand i believe you can clear them with a third combo
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08:10:17midkay_LinusN, oh, that works, cool :) thanks
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08:15:11Bg3rTiMiD ! :) hi
08:15:18midkay_what would be the opposite of a software codec platform? hardware codec platform? :) sounds a bit wrong..
08:15:26TiMiDhehe I'm not dead as you can see
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08:16:29TiMiDright now I'm in japan (at work)
08:17:24TiMiDstill interrested in rb but no time since 3 month at least :/
08:17:26Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I can't say it definitively, as it may just be placebo effect, but it did seem more responsive while I was out.
08:18:17TiMiDlooks like there are more and more peaple here now
08:18:59midkay_morning, amiconn
08:19:36TiMiDohayou amiconn (to say as the local peaple do here)
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08:31:05JdGordondo viewers now have to be in the viewers folder?
08:31:25Paul_The_NerdNo, they can be in the rocks folder if they can also be run as a plugin.
08:31:43Paul_The_NerdJust make sure that viewers.config points to it explicitly in the rocks folder.
08:31:45JdGordoni have added a line to viewers.config for rocks/blaa but it says cant open /.rockbox/viewers/blaa.rock ??
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08:32:34JdGordonsame for sudoku btw which is in the rocks folder but it looks to viewers/ ??
08:32:35Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Double check your line then. If you look at Sudoku, it's listed properly.
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08:34:00JdGordontxt,rocks/text_editor, 00 00 00 00 00 00 is the line.... works if its in the viewers folder, not rocks
08:34:49Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Did you make sure to remove this line? txt,viewers/viewer,55 55 55 55 55 55
08:35:10Paul_The_NerdI have no idea what it'll do if there are two lines for the same extension.
08:35:37JdGordonno, i havnt.. there is currently 2 lines with txt, im trying to open it with "open with" not as the default...
08:35:41JdGordonit should work...
08:36:05*JdGordon is checking the code
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08:38:13muesli__g'morning m8s
08:38:17JdGordonyup, viewers is hardcoded...
08:39:17Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Just for "Open with"?
08:39:27Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Like, will it work if you use it as the default?
08:39:40JdGordonill check
08:39:47JdGordoni haver a funny feeling its not
08:39:57JdGordoni mean, i tinhk it will work if its the default
08:40:02JdGordonthe fix is simple
08:40:11JdGordonremove 3 lines from filetypes.c
08:40:40JdGordonyup, it works as default
08:43:03Paul_The_NerdSo, easy fix then?
08:43:26JdGordonbut i want to add some code to remove duplicates from the list
08:44:33JdGordonactually.. i got a better idea for the fix.. so u dont have the full path in the list...
08:45:14Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: It was decided that they preferred having the full path
08:45:31JdGordonwhere? in the config or the list?
08:45:37Paul_The_NerdOh, sorry, in the config.
08:46:41JdGordonwell the fix is either show the full path in the open with list, or check if /viewers/<plugin>.rock exsists and if it does run it, and if not run /rocks/<plugin>.rock
08:46:44JdGordonwhich is better?>
08:47:09LinusNJdGordon: what exactly is the problem you are having?
08:47:35JdGordonthe open with list only loads rocks from the viewers folder
08:47:56JdGordoneven if its rocks/ in the config file
08:48:54LinusNwell, we don't want to show non-viewers in the open-with list
08:49:14JdGordonye ok
08:49:40LinusNbut looking in viewers/ first and then in rocks/ sounds like a possible solution
08:49:52JdGordonok, ill do that
08:50:03JdGordoni also ant to get rid of duplicates... that really annoys me :p
08:50:16LinusNthat's a little trickier, iirc
08:50:38JdGordonnot so much
08:50:39Paul_The_NerdYeah, I can't think of any reason why there should ever be identically named .rocks in both viewers and plugins (and anyway, that can be avoided fairly easily)
08:52:29JdGordondoes doing continue in a for loop run the last bit before starting again? (i.e the i++ bit)
08:52:37markunPaul_The_Nerd: can that easily be avoided without removing support with plugins that can be viewer and stand-alone plugin at the same time?
08:52:52LinusNJdGordon: yes
08:53:14JdGordonput the rock in rocks then
08:53:17Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: It shouldn't affect those. In fact, it supports them better.
08:53:32markunok, good
08:58:17amiconnJdGordon: There's another plugin scanning pass in filetypes.c that checks for plugins following a certain naming condition, and adds those as viewers when found.
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08:58:40*JdGordon going for dinner...
08:58:45JdGordonill have a look when i get back
08:58:59amiconnI'm not sure where this is used, or whether anyone still uses it
09:00:28Paul_The_NerdWhat was it used for before?
09:00:31amiconnThe original code was written by Henrik Backe, but he wasn't around for quite some time now
09:00:45amiconnlast time in october 2005 as it seems
09:01:31Bg3ramiconn what was the firefox's plugin name ? ;)
09:01:46amiconnIirc he was thinking about removing this scan pass
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09:01:54LinusNi think we can scrap that pass
09:02:01amiconnBg3r: DownThemAll, or DTA for short
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09:32:53JdGordonwhats the general feeling about using the cpu boost? is it best to only use it if its really nescacery?
09:34:14*Paul_The_Nerd thinks the oscillograph should boost.
09:34:17nudelAlways using it during and slightly after user interaction seems sensible to me.
09:35:08Paul_The_NerdI think the general idea is to try to avoid using it, except when necessary to maintain consistent performance.
09:35:12LinusNbasically, it should boost when necessary
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09:35:48asperhi guys
09:35:53LinusNhi guy
09:35:53aspercan I have an informtaion ?
09:36:09asperdoes anyone has the code for the 16f84 to build a remclone ?
09:36:19Paul_The_NerdBut I think trying *too* hard to avoid boosting can create frustrating performance issues too.
09:36:24LinusNasper: i don't
09:36:31asperI am building the remclone but I need the hex file
09:36:39asperwho has it ?
09:37:07asperin the schematics page there are only 3 pdf
09:37:23LinusNyou could build this one instead:
09:37:34JdGordon <- finished patch... i think boosting the filetype_load_menu function might help.. but i dunno if its worth it coz atm the viewers.config is like 20lines...
09:38:10asperthanks for the link but I already have some 16f84 but no 12c508
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09:39:02LinusNasper: the code should be very simple
09:39:19asperI know but I have no pic knowledge, I am simply able to program them
09:39:30LinusNunfortunately it seems that the remoclone code is lost :-(
09:39:41asperNO !!! Really ???
09:39:45amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: oscillograph needs fixing anyway. It doesn't scroll the oscillogram as it should except on archos and H1x0
09:40:10amiconnIt can't do this because it uses lcd_roll() for scrolling, which is impossible to implement for H300
09:40:11Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: The lack of scrolling doesn't look *too* bad to me, but the huge amount the speed changes on iPod when the boost goes on and off makes me cringe. :)
09:40:42amiconnI want to port oscilloscope as well; this one uses a timer routine to maintain constant speed
09:40:49Paul_The_NerdAaah, nice
09:40:55asperso none can help me with remclone hex ?
09:41:04amiconnEither we scrap oscillograph then, or adapt it to use soft scrolling + timer as well
09:41:11LinusNasper: i'm afraid i can't
09:41:20amiconnI'm going to scrap lcd_roll() as well
09:41:36asperso another little question: i recently bought an IPod MINI 4G colour screen... it isn't mentioned in your ipod page...
09:41:39LinusNasper: i think you are the first one to actually build one
09:42:04LinusNamiconn: go for the kill
09:42:04Paul_The_Nerdasper: There were minis with a color screen?
09:42:32asperLinusN: I am trying to build the modified RM-X2S (sony joystick) but when I found that remcolne has a 16f84 (that I already have) I changed my mind
09:43:05asperI bought a present for my brother: IPod MINI 4Gigabytes with color screen
09:43:20Paul_The_Nerdasper: do you mean the Nano?
09:43:25Paul_The_Nerdasper: the flash based one?
09:44:25asperI dunno, in the box it's written IPod Mini
09:44:37asperI didn't tryied
09:44:51asperMine is not mentioned there
09:45:00Paul_The_NerdNone of the pictures look the same as it?
09:45:24asperit seems to be iPod Photo
09:45:32asperbut in the box package it's written MINI
09:45:54asper4 giga payed 209 euros in December
09:46:45markunasper: is it a HD of flash based ipod?
09:47:16asperLinusN: who did realize the remclone project ? In the page is mentioned "RockBox Team"
09:47:32asperReally dunno, I didn't oopen the package
09:47:35LinusNsome Tjerk fellow
09:47:53asperI will tell you with picture when I will have one from my brother
09:48:00Paul_The_Nerdasper: As far as I know the iPod Mini never had a color screen. Are you sure it's a genuine Apple?
09:48:13asperYes, I bought it in a commercial center
09:48:19asperand payed it A LOT !
09:48:38asperMaybe a package error
09:48:43Paul_The_NerdThe 4G iPod Nano costs $250 US
09:48:53Paul_The_NerdAnd the 30G photo costs $300 if I recall.
09:49:03Paul_The_Nerd200 euros sounds like a lot.
09:49:22Paul_The_NerdIf it's a "mini" and not a Nano.
09:49:37asperwhat I am sure is that it's a 4Giga
09:49:45asperi will send you pics asap
09:50:25Paul_The_NerdIt's *probably* a Nano, since that looks very much like the Photo, is the only one available in 4 gigs any more if I recall, and would be at the right price. But this is just a guess.
09:50:28asperso no way to have a remclone 16f84 software...
09:50:59asperPaul: i will answer your question when my brother will come back home
09:51:19JdGordonasper: is it about 4mm thick? coz then its a min
09:51:23*JdGordon idiot
09:51:39Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I think he hasn't opened it yet, since it's for his brother.
09:51:49JdGordonooh... alrighty
09:52:00JdGordondid any1 look at the patch or did it get lost in the log?
09:52:16LinusNasper: unless you write it yourself... :-(
09:52:38asperLinusN: will it be difficult ?
09:52:57asperI saw the 12c508 code... it seems to be easy
09:53:03asperbut I really dunno where to start from
09:53:06LinusNnot necessarily difficult
09:53:16LinusNbut it takes some experimenting
09:53:28LinusNif you are new to PIC's
09:53:44asperyes, I am new and I study medecine...
09:53:53LinusNthe remoclone is dead simple though
09:53:55asperso not so much time to spend on it
09:54:18asperdid you have ever received the hex for remclone ? maybe a mirror page...
09:54:35LinusNi doubt it, lemme search the server
09:54:44asperthank you
09:55:06asperoh, well, I want to thank you all for the GREAT ROCKBOX SOFTWARE OF COURSE !!!
09:56:55LinusNasper: no, i can't find anything on the server
09:57:05LinusNi have one option left, hang on...
09:58:15LinusNasper: i found an asm file in the email archive
09:58:55asperWOW ! is it for the 16f84 or the 12C508 ?
09:58:57JdGordon:'( the list no working in plugins
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10:01:17asperI LOVE YOU ! Who wrote it ?
10:03:15asperwhat's that ? #include ".\"
10:03:21LinusNTjerk Schuringa
10:03:26asperis there a file for the compiler ?
10:03:32asperhow can I contact Tjerk ?
10:03:46LinusNasper: it's a standard include file delivered with the assembler (mplab)
10:04:23aspermarvellous !!!
10:04:35asperI really thank you
10:04:53LinusNwell, his last known email address was
10:04:58aspera silly question: using mplab and loading the asm file, can It be compiled to be used with different pics ?
10:05:05LinusNif that doesn't work, google for his name
10:05:13LinusNasper: yes
10:05:33LinusNbut you might have to tweak it to fit the chip in question
10:06:17asperI got it !
10:06:23asperThank you LinusN
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10:06:52asperlast question: the connector of remclone is the line-in ?
10:07:58Maxime`remclone? what's that?
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10:08:17JdGordonLinusN: is there a reason why the list callback form my plugin isnt being called from the list code? im doing everything correctly
10:08:40asperit's a wire-remote-control for the archos units
10:09:04asperhere it's the ASM (THANKS LinusN)
10:09:22Maximek thx
10:12:11asperlast question: the connector of remclone is the line-in ?
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10:13:56LinusNasper: headphone out
10:14:27LinusNasper: please return and let us know your progress
10:16:37asperFOR SURE !!!
10:16:41*JdGordon is such a dill... looking for the bug in the wrong place :p
10:16:57*LinusN takes notes
10:16:57asperbut one moment: I have to connect the remote to the headphone out ?
10:17:09asperand the other jack
10:17:16LinusNasper: yes, using a 4-pole connector
10:17:58asperthere are 2 connectors in remclone: 4pin and 3pin
10:18:06LinusNthe remote connects to the archos headphone output, and then you connect the phones to the remoclone
10:18:45asperPERFECT !
10:18:56asperI will look for 4pin jacks now ;)
10:19:05asperI hope it will be done in 10 days at least :)
10:19:59asperthe lithium battery is a 5v battery ?
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10:20:28tucozhello. Where is the key-presses defined for the sdl-sims?
10:20:36tucoz*are ;)
10:21:41safetydanIn /uisimulator/sdl/button.c IIRC
10:22:28LinusNasper: probably 3v
10:22:35LinusNbut i'm not sure
10:22:39tucozsafetydan, ok thanks.
10:22:50LinusNasper: you want a 4-pin plug, not jack
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10:28:45w3rtyi need help
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10:29:43LinusNw3rty: how nice of you to come and share it with us :-)
10:29:57safetydanHow complicated is the WPS code getting these days?
10:30:05*safetydan is looking at the eq WPS tags patch
10:30:06LinusNsafetydan: horrible ;-)
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10:30:27safetydanI can imagine it's getting pretty bad in there :)
10:30:38B4gderit was pretty bad already a year ago
10:30:43safetydanWhatever happened to the tokenizer idea?
10:30:47B4gdernow with 422 new tags it is a qualified MESS
10:31:25*Moos have just receive his new X5 60 gb :)
10:31:31Bg3rB4gder 422?!?!?
10:31:40B4gderoh wel, perhaps only 421 ;-)
10:31:47B4gderI didn't count
10:31:51JdGordonwhat is on in the h300 sim?
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10:35:30safetydaneek... gwps-common.c is nearly 80k
10:36:10JdGordonyay, the worlds simplest text editor works :D
10:36:32safetydanwith roughly 104 case statements
10:37:20B4gderthe messy part is the alternating lines and what tags that cause refresh etc unless I confuse things
10:37:40B4gder(haven't looked at the code recently)
10:37:42nudelthere's no way for a WPS to offset the text by x,y pixels, is there?
10:37:51B4gdernudel: not yet, no
10:37:57nudelok thanks
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10:43:22Paul_The_NerdI've been thinking about the 'multiple fonts in a WPS' thing, and was wondering, how bad would it be if you had to stop music playback to change WPSes? (Well, it wouldn't be strictly necessary, but you may need to refill the buffer, I with an idea I'm sorta toying with in my head)
10:43:56LinusNah, to have the fonts in the audio buffer?
10:44:11Paul_The_NerdNot the fonts
10:44:18B4gdertucoz: seen #4790 ?
10:44:32Paul_The_NerdInstead of storing the actual metadata, render the metadata into mono bitmaps of the string, and store those.
10:44:36tucozB4gder, no. I checked like an hour ago.
10:44:37Paul_The_NerdUsing the fonts, of course.
10:44:43tucozfor manual patches.
10:44:56tucozah, great
10:44:59peturamiconn: the current clipping detection (two max values) isn't ok for swcodec targets. Did a recording and got way more clipping than the cliplight showed me :( So for swcodecs: one max value will be clip alert...
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10:46:21Paul_The_NerdThat way, regardless of the number of fonts used, the size used is mostly dependent on the metadata. Scrolling could be handled by simply showing a subset of the bitmap, which also makes scrolling margins possible, and per-pixel positioning with existing code. Sorta. I mean, it's not a perfect idea yet, but it seems an alternative solution.
10:46:31youngcerealto all
10:46:47Paul_The_NerdFeel free to laugh if it sounds silly. Just something that was floating in the back of my mind.
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10:47:08markunMoos: congrats!
10:47:30MoosHello markun, merci :)
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10:52:52tucozZagor, are you around?
10:53:18tucozZagor, could you add me so that I can close patches in flyspray?
10:53:29JdGordonyay, ok we now have a text editor for rb :D cept its shit..
10:53:44tucozZagor, what info do you need?
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10:53:58youngcerealwork on ipod
10:54:11Zagortucoz: have you ever logged in to flyspray?
10:54:13JdGordonyoungcereal: yup, it will work on all targets
10:54:46tucozZagor, no. I do not know if my sf account forwards mail to me. Maybe I could try that first :)
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10:55:02Zagortry that. you're in the "Developers" group already, so you should be good to go.
10:55:04youngcerealits good
10:55:09tucozZagor, ok. Thanks
10:55:58youngcereal JdGordon: in next time i programming the patches on ipod target self. 1 Jahr for 5 lines ;)
10:55:59tucozZagor, I think I have lost my password.
10:56:11tucozforget it
10:56:20tucozI should learn to follow links and read
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10:57:26youngcereal JdGordon: but i think i made a better key input for ipod like scroll a line thats better
10:57:29tucozOk, it works just fine.
10:58:36JdGordonyoungcereal: im hugly cheating... the input is the standard screen keyboard (but this might change) and the display uses the list widget.. so itl be workable, but you couldnt use it to type an essay
10:58:39youngcereal JdGordon: or interrsst ar an word detect like handys if you edit idtags takes artis from db later ;)
10:59:46youngcereal JdGordon: not bad its an beginig better starts hard then never ;)
11:00:28c0uttai have a question about MAX_FILES_IN_PLAYLIST
11:02:10c0uttaany takers? I'm looking in your direction LinusN...
11:02:16JdGordonc0utta: no1 will be able to answer u unless u ask...
11:02:59LinusNi was waiting for the question
11:03:26JdGordonc0utta: of course the answer is 42 tho...
11:03:40c0uttai wa hoping 42000
11:03:58peturyou didn't take that long to find that answer ;)
11:04:22c0uttathe settings have the maximum files at 20000
11:05:05c0uttaif i modify the CFG file and up this to 42000 and then load a large playlist, should it max out at 20000 still?
11:05:35Paul_The_NerdDo you really have a playlist that large?
11:06:39LinusNc0utta: i believe it will choke above 32767
11:06:56LinusNsince the setting struct allocates 15 bits for that setting
11:07:19LinusNthat can of course be changed
11:08:05c0uttaLinusN: create my own patch?
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11:08:38LinusNcreate and submit a patch that allocates 16 bits and raises the limit to 64000
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11:09:13LinusNand i'll commit it
11:12:15c0uttawhat is the potential to blow out memory - I'm not that familiar with the structure to support playlists
11:14:20LinusNJdGordon: care to explain the if (!(attr & ATTR_DIRECTORY) && attr) change?
11:14:39JdGordonadds the open with menu option for all files
11:14:57LinusNc0utta: don't worry, the memory is allocated from the mp3 buffer
11:14:58JdGordonso you can open a file not in the config file
11:15:16JdGordoni said in the comments u can get rid of that if u dont like it.. i think its handy tho
11:16:30c0uttais BlueChip's DevKit still the easiest way to get cygwin environment for development?
11:16:38LinusNJdGordon: did you investigate why there were duplicates in the viewer menu?
11:16:48LinusNc0utta: no
11:17:03c0uttacheck the wiki?
11:17:16JdGordonLinusN: ye, coz it adds every line from viewers.conf, i just added an extra check
11:17:19nudeli've never used cygwin before this weekend but i followed the steps on the rockbox wiki and it all worked fine
11:17:31JdGordonthats the added for loop in filetypes.c
11:17:46LinusNJdGordon: ok
11:17:52nudeldon't panic if the cygwin setup.exe, late in the install, seems to be doing nothing but using lots of CPU for several minutes. it came back eventually.
11:17:53c0uttait's been a couple of years since i had my own development environment....
11:17:59LinusNc0utta: :-)
11:20:16LinusNJdGordon: does the patch make the viewers.conf format incompatible?
11:20:32LinusNah i see now
11:20:35c0uttaI was doing development on dynamic key mapping and then lost everything with a HD crash
11:20:46JdGordonpossibly could be a better way to do it.. but this works
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11:25:14LinusNpetur: there?
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11:25:40LinusNregarding the corrupt recordings
11:26:24amiconnLinusN: Do you intend to look at the H300 pcf i2c timing soonish? It may well be that his causes my button problems...
11:26:30LinusNthe archos recording code does an fsync() every time it saves the buffer
11:27:06LinusNamiconn: i haven't yet connected my new h300 to the LA
11:27:34LinusNpetur: the swcodec recording code should do the same
11:28:28webminddoes anyone know if the ipod nano has recording options ?
11:34:34linuxstbwebmind: The dock connector should have a line-in, and I think the ipodlinux people have also got the headphone socket acting as a mic input/line-in as well. But there is no support in Rockbox yet.
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11:34:52webmindlinuxstb, ok
11:35:00webmindso no ogg recorder yet :)
11:35:56linuxstbRealtime ogg encoding will probably never happen anyway. But Rockbox has a lossless wavpack encoder and a (poor quality) mp3 encoder.
11:37:01peturLinusN: thanks. made a note of it, will fix
11:37:23*petur curses at paid work for interrupting him
11:42:46peturamiconn: saw my remark regarding clip detection earlier ^^^ ?
11:51:28Bg3rlinuxstb don't say *never* ... gigabeat has 300MHz ARM cpu ...
11:54:25linuxstbBg3r: True, never is the wrong word. But I'm not even sure the gigabeat could manage it unless it has an FPU.
11:55:45Bg3ryep, u're probably right ...
11:55:51Bg3rbut after 2-3 years...
11:56:23LinusNPaprica: cool
12:01:16peturnow, how can I let it sync automatically with my pc agenda? :P
12:01:27LinusNif it works well enough, i'm inclined to replace the existing calendar.c with this one
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12:02:27PapricaLinusN, could you try it on one of the targets you have?
12:02:34LinusNi will
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12:04:02*preglow kicks fixed point
12:04:36tucozget him good, right beneath the rips. I'll hold him for you.
12:06:43pregloweq plotter basically works fine, but i just can't get it completely accurate
12:06:52preglowinstead of peaking at 24 db, it peaks at 24.3 db
12:07:06preglowand it's because of some precision hungry division
12:07:54ashridahmm. precision, *munch*, yum!
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12:18:22JdGordonany1 wanna test out my text editor?
12:18:35JdGordonwhat target?
12:18:41youngcerealipod g4 photo
12:19:01JdGordonok, just gotta get rid of this 1 annoying bug
12:20:19JdGordonhaha, by annoying i mean completly fucked!
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12:20:44youngcerealok i can live with that
12:20:52youngcereali make the best ;)
12:21:23youngcerealmichael at <−− my mail
12:22:35JdGordongrr.. na its crashing.. i havta fix this bug
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12:28:58Bg3rLinusN ? anything against commiting ?
12:31:09LinusNBg3r: go ahead
12:31:20Bg3rk, let me first try/test it :)
12:32:22Bg3rhm, this will boost on all platforms (that support it)
12:33:03JdGordonBg3r: the radio shouldnt need to boost... did he remove the idle setting or add cpu boosting?
12:33:32Bg3rthe idle
12:33:42JdGordonok, :)
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12:47:21JdGordonwhat does "Out of menus!" mean, and could that be why the sim just crashed?
12:47:31JdGordonitss the last line of stderr.txt
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12:49:05safetydanJdGordon, grep is your friend
12:49:44safetydanAre you calling menu_exit at the end of any menu code?
12:49:56safetydanThere can only be a certain number of menus active before it blows up
12:50:17safetydanThe limit is 5 at the moment so no menu structures deeper than five levels
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12:50:42asperhi linusn are you still tehre ?
12:51:00asperanother component question about remclone
12:51:11asperif you look in the schematic
12:51:19asperwhat is the connector on the top right ?
12:51:25asperJ1 ISP
12:52:11LinusNi guess it's for programming the chip
12:52:35asperlike a socket ?
12:52:36LinusNif you have a surface mounted chip
12:52:49Bg3ris there a way to edit the commit message ...
12:53:00JdGordonsafetydan: no, im using menus, but only 1 deep
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12:53:18LinusNBg3r: not after committing
12:53:25amiconncvs admin ...
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12:53:41amiconnThe message on the frontpage won't change though
12:53:57Bg3rokay, i forgot to mention "on keypress" ...
12:55:04JdGordonyay, its all working :D
12:55:34JdGordonok, i need a key combo for exit and menu for the ipods..?
12:55:41JdGordonand select
12:56:21amiconnBg3r: What do you mean?
12:56:27safetydanJdGordon, okay, so it's probably the menu_exit missing then
12:56:46JdGordonmenu_exit is needed after every menu?
12:57:25Bg3ramiconn : "Getting CPU out of idle mode *on key press*..."
12:57:29safetydanJdGordon, yes
12:57:33JdGordonah ok
12:59:33amiconnBg3r: cvs admin -m 1.92:"blahbla" apps/recorder/radio.c
12:59:49amiconnThe blahbla is of course the complete, revised message
12:59:51JdGordonok, another wierd bug... ive got a list setup and it works fine... except the first time its drawn it starts on the 2nd line, not the first???
13:00:23Bg3ramiconn 10x :)
13:00:32safetydanJdGordon, off by one error maybe? I assume the list code is 0 based
13:00:36amiconnLinusN: Do you know why it's impossible to add a ! to a commit message
13:00:51amiconnWhenever I try this, I get an error from bash ??
13:01:05linuxstbHave you tried putting a \ before it?
13:01:22amiconnYes. Then the \ gets added to the commit message as well
13:01:46JdGordonsafetydan: no, when i init it i select item 0
13:02:00linuxstbYou could try omitting the -m option, which I think makes cvs open up your editor.
13:03:43*amiconn wonders what editor that might be under cygwin
13:03:52linuxstbProbably vi - echo $EDITOR
13:05:01linuxstbIt seems to be a bash issue - trying to make echo display an ! gives the same problem - unless you omit the quotes and just do echo \!
13:05:25Mikachuare you using double or single quotes?
13:05:35linuxstbThe same happens for me with either.
13:05:58Mikachuit works for me with single quotes or no quotes at all
13:06:00amiconnAh, single quotes work...
13:06:08linuxstbI've just spotted that as well...
13:06:32amiconnNo quotes obviously won't work for commit messages
13:06:45linuxstbIt would if you escaped all your spaces.... But not fun.
13:06:53Mikachujust use single quotes.. :)
13:07:51JdGordongrr.. the problem is with the status bar :p
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13:10:41JdGordonyoungcereal: still there? if u wanna test it i need some key combos
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13:12:47JdGordoni need select, exit, menu, and delete (delete isnt really needed)
13:12:56youngcereal JdGordon: no prob wath is with a menu like bejeweled
13:13:30JdGordonok, ill look
13:14:37JdGordonselect and menu are 2 diff buttons... select will open the keyboard widget to edit the line, menu will show a menu....
13:16:01youngcerealok but when select do open a menu save exit or keyboard
13:16:19JdGordonselect goes straight to the keyboard
13:16:33youngcerealJdGordon: or 2 sek press select open keyboard
13:16:47JdGordonim gonna have to do some fiddly coding to get that to work..
13:17:03youngcerealok thats only an idear
13:17:47youngcerealif i have time i make an ipod menuwidget for rockbox it's needet
13:20:02youngcerealat the moment i work on the remote for ipod cable if that finish. i find not the word
13:20:44youngcerealand than for that a menu in settings how self can buttons make link
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13:20:58youngcereali hobe you know i not find the word
13:21:04youngcerealin english
13:21:26amiconnJdGordon: Short/long distinction is quite simple. It also allows to use a button as modifier and for a plain short press at the same time
13:21:41youngcerealand with the menu can i make a menu widget :)
13:21:41JdGordonok, i tinhk i get it
13:21:44amiconnThis is done in many places in the core as well as plugins
13:22:03JdGordonye, its just confusing with all the #ifdefs :p
13:24:07linuxstbJdGordon: What are the normal 7 buttons on the ipod used for? i.e. PREV/NEXT, MENU, PLAY, SELECT and Scroll FWD/BACK ?
13:24:10JdGordonyoungcereal: ipod color/phot?
13:24:22JdGordonlinuxstb: i dunno...
13:24:36JdGordoni dont use it at all, which is why im asking for suggestinos
13:24:58linuxstbI mean, what do you need to define?
13:25:18JdGordonselect, menu, exit and possibly delete
13:25:38JdGordon+ up/down is defined from the list widget
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13:26:57linuxstbSELECT could be BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REL, menu is BUTTON_MENU, delete could be BUTTON_LEFT. Exit should then be BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_MENU up/down are probably mapped to the scroll events in the list widget.
13:28:03JdGordonok, done
13:28:18JdGordoni think thats simpler than the other combo that was suggested
13:29:04JdGordonanyway, my text editor is mostly done, it works on individual lines, and atm u can delete a line, copy/paste, insert before/after the selected line... anything else ive misssed?
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13:29:29LinusNJdGordon: clipart :-P
13:29:40JdGordontext editor...
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13:31:03Bg3rwow, another girl in the channel...
13:31:31Mikachuor someone who wants help ;)
13:31:49peturor both :P
13:33:30Bg3ror simply rb user
13:34:43german_girlor real user
13:34:50german_girlmay be
13:35:00B4gderreal users don't find us
13:35:04peturnah, we don't support real yet
13:36:18JdGordonLinusN: u didnt like the open with patch?
13:36:21LinusNi've always wondered, what is this "user" thing everybody
13:36:28german_girlall are unreal
13:36:33LinusNs talking about?
13:37:13LinusNJdGordon: yes i did, only that i'm still thinking if there is a better approach to the path problem
13:37:21JdGordonah ok
13:37:32Lynx_is there any estimate on how many players run rockbox out there? maybe by download number?
13:37:52JdGordon400 million
13:38:46B4gderLynx_: nope
13:39:16Lynx_how can the rockbox marketing department even work without the most basic data? ;)
13:39:19linuxstbB4gder: Go on, have a guess :) How many zeros?
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13:39:40B4gderI think I can safely say that we are more than 100
13:39:45B4gderbut less than one million
13:40:49Bg3rB4gder why do you think the number is less than 1 million ?
13:41:06B4gderbecause one million users is insanely much
13:41:39Mikachuyou have 96 right here in the channel
13:42:00peturminus the dupes and bots of course...
13:42:06B4gderyes, it should be safe to estimate more than 1000 users too
13:42:33linuxstbAny idea how many registered forum users there are?
13:42:57linuxstbAh yes, 2757...
13:42:59Lynx_how many hits does the site get a day?
13:43:33B4gder~7000 unique visitors/day
13:43:53JdGordondo all targets have the same plugin buffer?
13:43:59B4gderuh, no
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13:44:02B4gder7000 visits
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13:44:19linuxstbJdGordon: No - 32KB on Archos, 512KB elsewhere (at the moment)
13:46:13youngcerealhow can i put a message in log (debug)
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13:54:38JdGordonany1 feeling adventurous...
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14:09:37LinusNlostlogic: there?
14:11:28JdGordonthe new rumoured ipod video?
14:11:58B4gderthere's a new ipod video every day
14:12:04crashdlol, that's so retarded
14:12:11Jungti1234more picture -
14:12:24B4gderwe should make a few ones too
14:12:26JdGordonthat 2nd 1 looks fake
14:12:27Jungti1234and -
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14:13:29peturotoh, think of the amount of keys we could define on it :D
14:13:42Jungti1234I worry about its battery..
14:14:06crashdi think there's more to worry about than the battery ;)
14:14:13crashdlike, how the hell you'd boot it into disc mode :p
14:14:15B4gderyes, fake players often have problems with their batteries
14:14:27JdGordonB4gder: haha
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14:14:37sacrosehello all
14:14:38crashd: )
14:14:41crashdtouchÚ B4gder
14:14:46sacroseI have a little bit of a problem with my rock box
14:14:57sacrosecould anyone offer service?
14:15:01peturthat big screen would be very hard to keep safe from cracking
14:15:12JdGordonand fingureprints
14:15:27youngcerealthe new ipod then scretch more easyer then jet
14:15:27sacroseThe problem is, I have uploaded all sorts of music files to my Rock Box, and none of them seem to play
14:15:36Jungti1234Its LCD may be dangerous.
14:15:38youngcerealif you think to touch
14:15:58LinusNsacrose: which music format?
14:16:01B4gdersacrose: what player model and what happens?
14:16:03sacroseI look for my library and there is nothing in it, however when I load it to my computer or another computer, it easily loads the music I put on it and it will play
14:17:31crashdsacrose: ipod?
14:17:40sacroserock box
14:17:45sacrosenot ipod
14:17:46crashdno, which platform
14:17:51crashdas in, which player do you own
14:18:05sacrosewindows 9
14:18:09Jungti1234What is your player?
14:18:10sacroseor w/e it tells you to use and comes with
14:18:12B4gderis the player called "rock box" ?
14:18:13crashdi mean, your portable mp3 player
14:18:33B4gderwe rockbox we do is a firmware for portable music players
14:18:37Jungti1234What is your mp3 player model?
14:18:38B4gderthe rockbox even
14:18:49sacroseRockBox, the 20 gig version, i couldnt tell you with out looking at the box
14:19:06sacroseI'm at school right now, so I must appologise for not having sufficient information for you
14:19:22sacroseDo you know where I can find a list to identify from?
14:19:37crashdcheck the pics on thre
14:19:55B4gderis a better list
14:20:25Jungti1234 - This is 'Rock Box'
14:21:40sacrosehmmm, I am at a delima, I will have to return later when I know what I'm takling about
14:22:25Jungti1234B4gder: ah.. :)
14:22:33B4gdermany Rockboxes there are
14:23:08B4gderbut there's only at showing up first on a google search! ;-)
14:23:12B4gderonly one
14:23:24sacroseI didn't realize that RockBox was a generalistic term for any portable high density music player
14:23:32JdGordonumm.. isnt there always only one showing up first for every search?
14:23:44sacroseI thought it was a company that produced my particular product
14:23:44JdGordonsacrose: its not
14:23:47B4gdersacrose: it isn't
14:23:51Jungti1234 - hahaha, nice logo :)
14:24:10sacroseI know, I was expressing my ignorance and reasoning for such Ignorance
14:25:01B4gdersacrose: so you are talking about the Rockbox as found on ?
14:25:50linuxstbOn a different subject, does anyone know if I should be recalculating replaygain when converting from FLAC to Ogg Vorbis?
14:26:13markunlinuxstb: at least the peak value
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14:27:44linuxstbDoes Rockbox use the peak value?
14:29:09markunlinuxstb: I think it does to prevent clipping
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14:33:50linuxstbmarkun: OK, thanks.
14:34:08LinusNthe bleeding edge build isn't very fast... :-(
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14:36:31JdGordon:( noone is interested in my text editor
14:36:38*JdGordon goes to cry self to sleep..
14:36:40JdGordongnite all
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14:46:20*petur wonders if one or more of the build servers is down
14:46:38B4gderit appears so
14:47:18B4gderbut it looked more puzzling than so in the server... I'll check again now in this new build
14:47:19petura server count would be better than the current 'score' ;)
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14:50:24Bg3rbetter new column :)
14:50:40Lynx_what is actually the difference between the daily and the bleeding edge builds, what makes the daily special?
14:50:54B4gdernothing really
14:51:17B4gderjust that they remain the same during the day
14:51:31Lynx_so it's the first build of th day?
14:52:03peturor the last one...
14:52:29B4gderits built at 4AM CET, iirc
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15:20:39safetydanSo much for PIPEX's reliability
15:23:23preglowreliable dsl
15:23:39preglowyes, that might exist, somewhere
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15:24:52safetydanWell it's not too bad, first outage in three months or so
15:25:05safetydanand only 20 minutes at that
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16:14:57webguest36Paprica: I saw the calendar plugin and have a question. Is it possible to use the Rockbox vkeyboard instead of the integrated one? (for inputting non-ascii characters)
16:17:07Papricammm if is it possible to write more than one line in Rockbox vkeyboard, no problem
16:19:59webguest36don't think it is
16:20:44webguest36But for anyone not taking notes in English, it's pretty unusable
16:21:18B4gderpossibly it should simply be extended to support multi-line
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16:21:35B4gderoptionally of course, since for some uses multi-line makes no sense
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16:21:48webguest36Multiline filename o_O
16:22:09B4gderwell, it is somewhat unorthodox ;-)
16:22:16B4gderbut I believe we support it
16:22:30easy_eastis rocbox better than the ipod software ?
16:22:46markunwebguest36: which language would you use?
16:22:50B4gdereasy_east: at playing oggs, flag or gapless yes
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16:25:09easy_easti have only mp3 .... oggs not much
16:25:15safetydaneasy_east, and customisability
16:25:17safetydanand equalizer
16:25:33safetydanoo... and no iTunes dependency
16:25:44easy_eastipod software had an equalizer too
16:26:11easy_eastyes itunes is nerving
16:26:31safetydaneasy_east, not a five band parametric EQ
16:26:56gracchuseasy_east: that (breaking itunes chains), and flac+ogg playback are pretty convincing
16:27:17easy_eastthx for the info, i willl test it
16:27:37safetydanFull replaygain support is always nice
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17:39:33hydraheadAny iPod developers here? I got a wierd error while playing a Vorbis file...
17:39:54preglowwhat error?
17:40:30hydraheadUndefined instruction at 003C79C
17:40:40preglowreally now
17:40:41hydraheadis got stuck completley
17:40:46preglowyou need to reset it
17:41:00preglowhave you build it yourself?
17:41:14hydraheadi did that. it works ok for now
17:41:24hydraheadno i got the daiky build a day ago
17:43:01hydraheadI'll put the latest in a minute
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18:35:44safetydan"did you know that a wav file can sound diffrent on diffrent parts of the H.D?"
18:35:49safetydano... m... g...
18:35:57Mikachuis that an audiophile talking?
18:36:38einhirnhello to all
18:36:43markunhi einhirn
18:37:43einhirnI am running into some inconvinience when building rb: I seem to have to "make clean" everytime to have code changes reflect in the actual ajbrec.ajz...
18:38:04einhirncan anyone point out the obvious to me?
18:38:12markunsafetydan: maybe the HD spins at a differnt speed and makes a different noise
18:38:36safetydanmarkun, I've heard people make the same claim about desktop drives. But that's a plausible theory.
18:40:43safetydanStill not going to affect the actual data coming off the drive though
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18:44:57einhirnHmm... Since I now got working what I wanted (Delete in WPS-Context Menu) and I don't have to iterate through more "make clean, make, copy, rolo, test"-Cycles, consider my question unasked ;)
18:52:10einhirnBut it still would be interesting why a change in 'onplay.c' isn't reflected in ajbrec.ajz after a simple 'make' or even 'make zip' even though I can see that 'onplay.c' is recompiled...
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20:13:55amiconnThese spurious OFF events on recv1 aren't spurious at all
20:14:18lostlogicthey're when the battery is below safe threshold set in the PCF?
20:14:29amiconnIt's a low-voltage protection... even visible in the old schematics (!)
20:14:43amiconnlostlogic: recorder v1...
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21:15:16*preglow thinks about doing some arm libmad optimising
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21:25:10lostlogicgah, I just started getting data aborts on my ipv :(
21:25:28preglowwhat're you up to?
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21:25:51lostlogicwas working on tweaking the peak meter calculations slightly
21:26:13lostlogic1 instructino less per sample... except that I seem to have fecked it up
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21:28:20preglowhave you tried profiling on arm yet?
21:29:03lostlogicnot yet −− thinking about trying it for vorbis this evening.
21:29:13preglowyeah, i'd be very interested in that
21:29:19preglowi want to fix libmad up
21:29:23preglowit's quite a bit slower than i'd imagined it to be
21:29:51preglowi'm thinking a quick assembler version of synth_full will fix it up some, but not much
21:30:29lostlogicunfortunately tremor already has assembly in the places that m68k does, so I'm afraid optimizations will be harder to find
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21:30:39preglowyeah, it will
21:31:01preglowwith some exceptions, though
21:31:07preglowlike windowing
21:31:14preglowbut that should impact much
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21:31:30preglowshouldn't, that is
21:31:43lostlogicipod officially has much less background noise than H3x0.
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21:33:14VeigiHi! i compiled an ipod 5g ui simulator in cygwin and the application crashes after the first seconds of replay. will that happen on my ipod too?
21:33:38nudelIs there a defacto album art patch that's likely to become official at some point? I want to design my theme with that in mind but there's at least two patches.
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21:37:04nlshi, I'm trying to fix up the LaTeX manual and now I need pictures of the jukeboxes, already have the archoses from the old manual and need iriver and ipod pictures
21:37:27nlsanyone have the simulator backgrounds without the text?
21:37:55safetydanVeigi, the simulator has issues playing sound under windows. Sound play back works fine on the actual system
21:38:11Veigithx. safetydan.
21:38:34Veigi@ nls what backgrounds do you need? i could do that for you. ^^
21:38:37lostlogicnudel: I don't think that anyone will know for sure until it's in, and even then it is liable to change.
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21:38:56safetydannudel, as far as I know there's only one patch that's in use, thought what actually ends up in CVS is anyone's guess
21:39:09nudeloki doki
21:41:10Veigi@ nls i have them all. i will send them to you if you want. ^^
21:41:51nlsyes that would be nice deathtoallhumans_at_gmail_dot_com :-)
21:42:14pilllol at the addy
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21:44:44Veigion the way, nls. :-)
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21:54:35nlsVeigi: got them but I need pictures without the text on them :(
21:55:42lostlogicaudio works on the ipod mini 2g? installs just like ipod 3g?
21:56:32Veigisry... i dont have pictures without the text. :-(
21:58:08Veigihrm... will there be play-delays like the ones when i try to play a song in the ipod 5g-simulator. ^^
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22:00:28markunVeigi: just install rockbox and try it :)
22:03:35safetydanVeigi, the simulator sound is very flaky under windows and nothing like the actual experience
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22:06:55Veigiok. cool. cause im planning to buy me an ipod 5g and i want to install rockbox on it. i know about the battery-life-issue. can i expect at lest 6-8 hours with rockbox? are there any other big problems at the moment. i mainly want to play flac on it. would that work without problems?
22:07:28Mikachui tried playing some flacs on my ipod nano, it worked fine but i apparently don't keep flacs on it usually
22:08:15preglowanyone saying they don't work?
22:08:40lostlogicpreglow: you know the status of ipod mini support by chance?
22:09:06Veigihrm... ok... two last questions: 1. How good is the equalizer of rockbox? 2. is there a possibility to show the custom vorbis comments of flac-files?
22:09:11Nico_Plostlogic: i'm trying to understand the buffering code in playback.c
22:09:26Nico_Pbuffering seems to happen mostly in audio_load_track()
22:09:51safetydanVeigi, what quality are you looking for in the EQ? It's a five band equalizer with two shelf and three peak filters, totally customisable.
22:10:07lostlogicNico_P: your guess is as good as mine... I still haven't managed to get a good handle on the buffering.
22:10:23Nico_Pyes it's quite hard to follow
22:11:07Nico_Pso i should get album art before the audio is buffered and store it in the filebuf ?
22:11:26Veigihrm.... i dont expect srs-wow-effects and things like that. i just want to push the sound-quality of my ipod a little bit (i heard that crappy eq of the orginal ipod-firmware...)
22:11:42lostlogiceq != better quality.
22:13:17Veigisounds cool. :) and how about the display of vorbis comments. for example i created vorbis comments like "mood" and "feature artist". is there a way to display them or atleast browse all comments of a file?
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22:14:24lostlogicnot at this time
22:15:18Veigioh ;(. But still extremely cool. i love it. Now there is no need to wait anymore. thx guys. :)
22:15:36jlopreglow : some news on crossfeed ?
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22:17:05preglowdid you get any used opinions?
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22:17:12preglowi haven't had too much time for rockbox lately
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22:18:29jlonothing from users,... despite this I improved the VST, it's now really easy to setup best parameters
22:18:48preglowno, i expected as much
22:18:56preglowwe'll hear more when we implement it in rockbox
22:19:08preglownot everyone knows how to use vsts
22:19:42jloI hope so, I also have a kind of text export for parameters compatible to your config file
22:19:45lowlightVeigi: I made a patch for arbitrary vorbis comments:
22:20:09preglowjlo: btw, have you tried using first order shelving filters and compared the result with using second order filters?
22:21:33jloI'm sure first order is OK but it must be shelving, if it's easier for you.....
22:21:51preglowwell, easier, perhaps, but most certainly faster
22:22:04preglowi'm just wondering if it'll sound worse
22:22:37preglowif it seriously impacts quality, then it's an issue, if it doesn't, then i'll use first order filters instead of wasting cpu on second order filters
22:23:35jloyes do it, I'll just measure the resulting curve, record the files and compare with simulator
22:26:42jlopreglow : just check the VST and try the parameters , you'll tell me after.
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22:28:08preglowjlo: i'm in linux, can't use vsts
22:28:55jlothere is no winVST wrapper for Linux ?
22:29:59preglowno idea
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22:33:20lostlogicanyone running latest CVS on ipod getting undefined instruction errors or similar???
22:34:59gracchusrunning snapshot of 2 days ago, and have not seen that
22:36:08lostlogicunless I'm mistaken, it's something that changed between 8amCST and 12pmCST today
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22:40:06nighty'lo :)
22:40:26nightyanyone working on the madwifi-ng driver ?
22:40:56Bagdermadwifi for rockbox?
22:41:09BagderI think we have a bit left before we need that! :-)
22:41:15nightymadwifi for anything :;)
22:41:24nightymadwifi is madiwifi :)
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22:41:28nightyI guess
22:41:31nightyam i wrong ,
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23:04:08jocke1shey all, how do I access my ipod from linux. It worked yesterday but today its kinda not :(
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23:19:56Nico_Plostlogic: i think i got it working
23:20:02lostlogicNico_P: kickass!
23:20:26Nico_Pnot sure it's very correct, and there are some pointer warnings
23:20:34Nico_Pyou want to see ?
23:20:38Nico_Pi got to go to bed soon
23:21:00lostlogicpost it on flyspray for comments? I'll read it over if you want to email it to me
23:21:12gracchusfor an arm toolchain using gcc 4.0.2, what version of gdb is recommended?
23:21:30gracchus6.1.1 doesn't compile cleanly, and just wondering before looking further
23:21:53Bagdergracchus: we have no particular support for gdb on target anyway, unless you're on iFP7x0 port mode
23:22:27Nico_Pi'll try to clean it a bit and i'll post it on flyspray
23:22:44gracchusBagder: oh ok, thanks −− I was just following the wiki xcompiler page and dotting my i's
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23:25:39Bagdergracchus: we mostly gdb things in the simulator if we need to debug that way
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23:25:49Bagderand then you use the native gdb of course
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23:26:57vektekhi guys. I'm looking to get replacement earphones can you recommend any?
23:28:07dpassen1What type are you looking for?
23:28:16Paul_The_Nerdvektek: It would sorta depend on your price range, and what sort (in ear, "portable" etc)
23:28:16vektekin ear
23:28:50dpassen1canalphones? Sennheiser CX-300 come highly recommended for the price.
23:29:04vekteknot cheap but not excessively expensive
23:30:45nudelthe Shure in-ear ones are meant to be fantastic but they range in price from expensive to insane and I couldn't really tell where it was worth drawing the line... currently using some huge noise cancelling sennheisers which are great but, well, huge
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23:30:55dpassen1I have Shure e2c's
23:31:13nudeldo you think they're worth it?
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23:31:26Mikachu :P
23:31:33dpassen1I got them for ~60 USD and for that, yes.
23:31:43nudelvery good price
23:31:46dpassen1My friend has a pair of e4c's, they are fantastic.
23:31:59BHSPitLappy2rockbox = awesome :D
23:31:59nudelcan you tell the difference?
23:32:07BHSPitLappy2wb, JdGordon
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23:32:24dpassen1Between e2c and e4c, yes, though I will say immediately I did no blind testing.
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23:33:23herz42lostlogic: you wanted a guy with data aborts/etc. on ipod −− here I am
23:33:49ModernExecutivehi. any luck with the h300 us firmware bootloader?
23:34:01lostlogicherz42: does it happen on all playlists, or only some playlists?
23:34:11lostlogicherz42: still happening consistently?
23:34:12herz42although, I got them already since 2 days ago.
23:34:32herz42I know for one song that makes it definitely crash...
23:34:41herz42probably there are others...
23:34:51lostlogicherz42: hmm... I wonder if it was that specific song and now I don't remember what song it was.
23:34:59lostlogicwhat codec is the song that you know crashes it?
23:35:07herz42all my stuff is mp3
23:37:20Nico_Plostlogic: updated
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23:37:31herz42With the latest cvs code, the panic screen has somhow less contrast. So it's hard to read the numbers.
23:37:31Paul_The_NerdModernExecutive: Logically speaking, there's not very much benefit to one anyway. The primary feature people go back to the retail firmware for is video. It seems that if someone wanted to use DRMed music at all, they'd want to mix it in with their non-drmed music, which makes Rockbox non-essential. I'm guessing that it's still an object of interest, but from that perspective it doesn't seem to me like it'd be too high of a prior
23:37:59ModernExecutivegot it
23:38:03ModernExecutivethank you paul
23:38:18Nico_Pthere are a few warnings, but they mostly are easy to fix (related to declaration of the functions i added)
23:38:37Nico_Palso there is one pointer warning, which i don't know how to fix myself
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23:38:58ModernExecutivejust was curious if there had been a new attempt that someone wanted a guinea pig for
23:39:09lostlogicNico_P: cool, I'm sure I or someone else will get a look at it soon, I'll try to this evening after work.
23:39:17ModernExecutivei had another h300 to offer up
23:39:38Paul_The_NerdModernExecutive: I mean, I'm *sure* there's interest in getting it done at some point, for completion's sake, but *my* guess is that even when there is US firmware to work with, it's going to be really *really* hard to keep it from breaking the DRM (Unless the very first attempt doesn't break it) because as far as I know, once the DRM is broken it can't be restored, so you'd need a clean H300 for *every* test. :(
23:39:47Nico_Plostlogic: i'm going to bed now but please add your comments/modifications on flyspray :)
23:40:18Nico_Pi'll be happy to read them tomorrow
23:40:38ModernExecutiveyeah. my theory was that the drm key was stuck somewhere in the EPROM −− maybe at the end of where the US firmware resides
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23:41:16herz42Yesterday I did some stack tracing, but only found some addresses of yield(), dsp_process(),... and a large number of zeros (about 6000) before the end of the stack. Any Idea what could actually consume that much stack space?
23:41:44ModernExecutiveand that flashing the international overwrote it. so i was hoping that someone could do an h300 eprom dump to see where/how the firmware is stored and if there's anything funny stuck before or after the firmware blocks
23:41:46JdGordonhey BHSPitLappy
23:41:55Paul_The_NerdModernExecutive: Yeah, to prevent it from being broken, it'd have to be located with absolute certainty in advance.
23:42:03lostlogicherz42: I'm guessing something's corrupting the stack pointer or similar so it's not actually anywhere near the right place
23:42:50BagderModernExecutive: the firmware is in flash, not eeprom
23:43:11herz42but it's at least within the codec_stack
23:43:14ModernExecutivemy mistake
23:43:15Bagdernot that it matters much
23:43:53BHSPitLappyhas anyone mentioned attempting an NES emulator?
23:44:13Bagderat least requesting someone else to attempt it
23:44:19BHSPitLappyhas any *programmer* mentioned attempting an NES emulator :P
23:44:24Bagderhell no
23:44:29dpassen1BHSPitLappy: is the iPod your first Rockboxed DAP?
23:44:31BHSPitLappyyeah, that's the trend ;)
23:44:46ModernExecutivethanks for your indulgence
23:44:47BHSPitLappyI was just wondering if it had been considered, that's all
23:44:49BHSPitLappydpassen1: huh
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23:45:00dpassen1You just got an iPod, right?
23:45:08BHSPitLappyI just got a 5G
23:45:13BHSPitLappyI've been a nano/rockbox user.
23:45:22dpassen1Oh, I'm looking for a comparison picture between a 5G and an iAudio x5
23:45:26dpassen1Planning my next purchase
23:45:33BHSPitLappygoogle photos?
23:45:39BHSPitLappyor go to a store?
23:45:48blueyi don't like the X5, but it has a radio ..
23:45:53Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy: I've *mentioned* an NES emulator, and I'm technically a programmer, but I'm not a programmer who would *port* an NES emulator. :-P
23:46:07BHSPitLappythe radio sucks, especially if you already have an mp3 player on you.
23:46:18BHSPitLappyPaul_The_Nerd: heh
23:46:28blueywell yes, but sometimes i just want to listen to something else
23:46:34BHSPitLappyI'm thinking about taking a peek at the rockboy key config code
23:46:42BHSPitLappyin hopes that I'll understand some of it
23:46:44blueysome Scatch Show`s in radio
23:46:46BagderI think the x5 has a nice form factor
23:46:50blueyor whatever
23:46:56BHSPitLappybluey: podcasts?
23:47:07BHSPitLappyI have streaming internet radio on my PSP :D
23:47:11blueylol don't compare podcast with a real radio
23:47:25BHSPitLappybluey: I just mean it's "something else"
23:47:29Shadowarrior13Thank god for pspradio on 2.0 :P
23:47:44BHSPitLappythanks *fanjita
23:47:52Shadowarrior13<3 Fanjita
23:48:05Shadowarrior13My screen is broken right now though...
23:48:09BHSPitLappy</3 #fanjita -.-
23:48:23blueymhh just bought something on ebay, paid it and already forgot forwhat mhhhh
23:48:31BHSPitLappysomeone should compile rockbox for PSP, for the hell of it :P:
23:48:49BHSPitLappys/compile/"make it work && compile"/
23:48:59Shadowarrior13That would be so awesome XD
23:50:04BHSPitLappyI have photos of podzilla2 on my psp, at its resolution :P
23:51:25youngcerea1 BHSPitLappy: I have an powerbook but its the same nobody interest that ;)
23:51:40BHSPitLappyisn't that a laptop?
23:51:53youngcerea1BHSPitLappy: no
23:52:05youngcerea1its a littlebit Apple more
23:52:08blueyit`s the new bestseller from Dan Brown
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23:52:52youngcerea1BHSPitLappy: sorry must do that joke ;)
23:54:17youngcerea1i have a frind that ever came when we talk about microprocessors he sad my blabla computer have more power it's real but at this mont fuck of ;)
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23:55:28XavierGrmuesli: you called?
23:55:39muesli-how many strophes contains greeks hymn?
23:55:44youngcerea1 BHSPitLappy: and this frind got me nerv ahh . also sorry .
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23:57:17lostlogicanyone interested in testing a fairly small patch to the peakmeter that's an attempt to improve responsiveness and reduce CPU load from using the peak meter?
23:57:51youngcerea1not at the moment later i can do
23:58:25youngcerea1i work self on a idear

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