| 00:00:37 | markun | btw, what do you guys think of a loadable vkeyboard map? |
| 00:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sounds like a good idea to me, at least |
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| 00:02:53 | markun | For me it doesn't matter, but I can imagine some people wanting to have a greek or cyrillic vkeyboard |
| 00:03:29 | Mikachu | i don't know how specific they are, but the ipodlinux people have lots of input method type things |
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| 00:04:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. |
| 00:06:20 | * | preglow strokes the eq plotter |
| 00:07:03 | markun | preglow: is it ready? |
| 00:11:57 | preglow | no, but now it works on pc, at least |
| 00:12:03 | preglow | still need a better sin() |
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| 00:13:47 | qwm | i hate BHSPitLappy so much. |
| 00:14:05 | Mikachu | look in the bible for some good sins |
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| 00:19:11 | preglow | at least no one needs to worry too much this plotter will be fast |
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| 00:20:22 | markun | :) |
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| 00:20:33 | Ben-burns-to-shi | ,5 °,5 hello?! are colors allowed here? ,5 ° |
| 00:20:40 | markun | Ben-burns-to-shi: no :) |
| 00:21:07 | Ben-burns-to-shi | ,5 °,5 ok ,5 ° |
| 00:21:38 | Ben-burns-to-shi | ? |
| 00:21:40 | Ben-burns-to-shi | ok |
| 00:22:02 | ender` | ugh, my eyes! |
| 00:22:10 | Ben-burns-to-shi | i'm discovering the wonderful work of rockbox |
| 00:22:26 | Ben-burns-to-shi | and i have some questions to ask |
| 00:23:20 | Ben-burns-to-shi | can anyone explain me how you code firmwares to DAP? |
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| 00:23:29 | preglow | you do just like we do |
| 00:23:32 | preglow | basically |
| 00:23:35 | preglow | it's quite a lot to explain |
| 00:23:47 | preglow | first you need to find out how the hardware is connected |
| 00:23:52 | Ben-burns-to-shi | but you surely use a language for example |
| 00:23:52 | preglow | and what parts there are |
| 00:23:58 | preglow | we use c and assembler |
| 00:24:02 | preglow | mostly c |
| 00:24:03 | Moos | lostlogic: red builds in case you didn't notice |
| 00:24:07 | Ben-burns-to-shi | ok |
| 00:24:53 | Ben-burns-to-shi | ok so you study the architecture of the driver first to note which components there are |
| 00:26:04 | Ben-burns-to-shi | is it possible to contribute itself to the community by helping programming some parts of a firmware? |
| 00:26:30 | Moos | all help is much apreciated here |
| 00:27:52 | preglow | sure |
| 00:28:07 | Moos | Rockbox have one full Wiki, and you can dowload the source for look at it |
| 00:28:13 | preglow | i only contribute small part of it myself |
| 00:28:22 | preglow | large parts of rockbox i have no idea how works |
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| 00:28:58 | Ben-burns-to-shi | i owe a iaudio X5 and i find the cowon's firmware very poor of functionalities |
| 00:29:00 | Moos | preglow: hehe modest? :) |
| 00:29:23 | Mikachu | i got the impression most devs don't know most of rockbox |
| 00:29:34 | Moos | Rb is vaste |
| 00:29:43 | Moos | lot of differents things |
| 00:29:52 | Ben-burns-to-shi | and if I could do something to help producing a better FW, i would enjoy it |
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| 00:30:48 | preglow | Moos: tons of people do more stuff than i do |
| 00:31:03 | Moos | indeed ! |
| 00:31:14 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: and you're welcome to help, just find a corner you like and start coding |
| 00:31:31 | preglow | and ask whenever you wonder about something |
| 00:31:32 | Moos | preglow: but your dsp competency is apreciated ;) |
| 00:32:29 | benBurnsToShine | and how could i begin to do that ? reading some specifications of the player? reading some examples of codes already written? |
| 00:33:06 | preglow | what dap've you got? |
| 00:33:17 | benBurnsToShine | iaudio X5 60Gb |
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| 00:33:44 | preglow | in which case coding on an actual unit will be a bit hard |
| 00:33:55 | preglow | i think LinusN is the main man working on that port |
| 00:34:02 | benBurnsToShine | ok |
| 00:34:16 | preglow | if you want to work on the port itself, you'll probably want to ask him if there's something you can do |
| 00:34:22 | preglow | and he doesn't seem to be on right now |
| 00:34:29 | benBurnsToShine | but he's not here... |
| 00:34:33 | preglow | correct |
| 00:34:40 | Moos | LinusN is very busy like always |
| 00:34:46 | Moos | :) |
| 00:34:55 | benBurnsToShine | ok |
| 00:35:14 | Moos | but don't worries that will hapen |
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| 00:35:37 | benBurnsToShine | and where are U from all of U? |
| 00:35:51 | Moos | and for your help, see first if you want to contribute on the low level things or high level ones |
| 00:36:04 | Moos | lot of differents cities |
| 00:36:09 | benBurnsToShine | low level=hardware? |
| 00:36:11 | Moos | but mainly Europe |
| 00:36:14 | Moos | yep |
| 00:36:15 | benBurnsToShine | low leve=software? |
| 00:36:22 | Moos | high |
| 00:36:59 | benBurnsToShine | how can we contribute to the low level? i only thought about programming firmwares.... |
| 00:37:17 | Moos | did you read a bit documentations yet? |
| 00:37:30 | benBurnsToShine | not yet |
| 00:37:31 | Moos | our Wiki is reall y great |
| 00:37:45 | benBurnsToShine | ok |
| 00:37:49 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: low-level would be driver-programming |
| 00:37:52 | benBurnsToShine | Wiki is an abreviation? |
| 00:37:56 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: not lots you can do with the hardware |
| 00:38:00 | Rick | benBurnsToShine: no |
| 00:38:08 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: a wiki is a website that anyone can edit |
| 00:38:16 | benBurnsToShine | ok |
| 00:38:17 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: and we've got one on www.rockbox.org |
| 00:38:33 | benBurnsToShine | i've seen it |
| 00:38:37 | Moos | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 00:38:46 | preglow | but yeah |
| 00:38:57 | preglow | familiarising yourself with how rockbox works in the meantime might be clever |
| 00:39:02 | preglow | perhaps playing around with the simulator |
| 00:39:46 | benBurnsToShine | simulator? |
| 00:40:14 | benBurnsToShine | a way to do a unit test? |
| 00:40:20 | Moos | your DAP in your computer sort of |
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| 00:40:35 | Moos | for tests things |
| 00:40:50 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: it's a way to compile rockbox on your computer, it's a great deal faster than testing stuff on your dap |
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| 00:41:02 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: but it doesn't work for low-level stuff that requires the dap hardware, of course |
| 00:41:26 | benBurnsToShine | ok cool |
| 00:42:06 | benBurnsToShine | is there a simulator for each dap? |
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| 00:44:06 | Moos | yep and the X5 one is already ready |
| 00:45:39 | charkins | I'm new to rockbox myself and was thinking about hacking the id3db stuff a bit (hangs on my ipod). |
| 00:45:50 | preglow | argh |
| 00:45:57 | charkins | Is anyone actively working on it? |
| 00:45:57 | preglow | this fixed point stuff is an eternal precision nightmare |
| 00:46:09 | preglow | charkins: it's going to be replaced pretty soon |
| 00:46:26 | preglow | charkins: we've got someone working on a replacement for the entire database system |
| 00:46:28 | charkins | is the replacement in cvs or yet to be checked in |
| 00:46:36 | preglow | yet to be checked in |
| 00:46:39 | Moos | preglow: good luck :( |
| 00:46:39 | preglow | slasheri is working on it |
| 00:46:48 | charkins | sweet, looking forward to testing that out then |
| 00:46:51 | preglow | yep |
| 00:46:58 | preglow | it'll generate the database on the unit |
| 00:47:01 | preglow | will be completely sweet |
| 00:47:17 | Moos | and modify tag on the fly too :) |
| 00:47:50 | charkins | You guys rock by the way. Had a neuros since they first came out and have been waiting to replace it with something new. Noticed last night that ipod 5g was pretty stable so picked one up this morning. |
| 00:47:50 | Moos | that will be one of the best feature |
| 00:50:01 | benBurnsToShine | where can i find the simulator for iaudio X5, i don't find it |
| 00:50:24 | preglow | benBurnsToShine: you need to check out the source code from cvs and build it |
| 00:50:45 | benBurnsToShine | ok |
| 00:52:51 | Moos | benBurnsToShine: here one screen shoot I made for you can see how it looks: http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3364/sim24bits5bj.png |
| 00:53:19 | Moos | but like preglow said you need to build it yourself |
| 00:53:35 | benBurnsToShine | thanks Moos |
| 00:53:42 | Moos | np |
| 00:54:22 | Moos | if you use windows, check this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 00:54:30 | midkay | anyone in here have an ipod with rockbox? |
| 00:54:47 | herz42 | midkay: yes |
| 00:54:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Aye. |
| 00:55:17 | Moos | benBurnsToShine: look this before http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 00:55:27 | midkay | herz42, i'm not sure if you're a long-time user but - have you - oh, Paul_The_Nerd, cool ;) - have either of you drained your battery to the point of the battery icon and ! symbol? |
| 00:55:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I have, a couple times. |
| 00:55:47 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, w/ rockbox? |
| 00:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 00:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, I'm in the middle of doing it again. |
| 00:56:07 | benBurnsToShine | ok |
| 00:56:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I have a nano. Why do you ask? |
| 00:56:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, perfect. |
| 00:56:43 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i helped a friend install rockbox yesterday.. |
| 00:56:57 | Moos | ben: french? |
| 00:57:12 | midkay | now he's saying he got the battery and ! icon earlier.. he's been charging it for like 1/2hr now and still blank LCD and not mounted in windows.. |
| 00:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Okay, if the USB cable is plugged in, just hold Menu+Select until it reboots itself from the battery screen. It should go through the bootloader, then mount. |
| 00:58:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Even with the blank screen, menu+select should do it, if held down long enough for the hard-reset to trigger |
| 00:58:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least, it worked for me |
| 00:58:44 | benBurnsToShine | oué francais |
| 00:59:14 | herz42 | I also got that symbol some time. Had to wait a while, but then it worked with a reset as Paul_the_Nerd said |
| 00:59:16 | Moos | benBurnsToShine: register your nick and check pm then ;) |
| 00:59:36 | benBurnsToShine | who is pm!? |
| 00:59:50 | benBurnsToShine | i've registered now |
| 00:59:54 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, that seems to have worked. :) thanks a lot! |
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| 01:00:17 | Moos | benBurnsToShine: can you check my pm? |
| 01:00:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: No problem. Even when you drain it completely with RetailOS, I've had problems with that screen on my nano. |
| 01:01:07 | herz42 | same on 5g |
| 01:01:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, he says thanks too :) i've only once drained it to the battery dead icon on my 5g.. |
| 01:01:28 | midkay | that was before rockbox though. |
| 01:02:23 | preglow | bedtime |
| 01:02:42 | Moos | good night preglow |
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| 01:06:02 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, damn - we just lost a user ;) |
| 01:06:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh darn. I'm not sure if I'll ever survive the shame. |
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| 01:08:15 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, it's all your fault too.. |
| 01:09:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh? Where did we lose this user? |
| 01:09:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, just kidding (@ 'your fault') |
| 01:09:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I've told a person or two "This probably isn't going to change" and heard them respond "Well then, I'm not gonna use rockbox" so there's been a few "my faults" before. |
| 01:10:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not that I *created* the feature, I just relayed old argument results about it. :) |
| 01:10:16 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, those are idiots.. |
| 01:10:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Man, I love gapless, and this, and that, and something else, but it doesn't look very good so I think I'll stick with the original." |
| 01:10:55 | midkay | *enters* "its to ugly!!" "then don't use it..?" "mabe i wont!! so there!!" *leaves* |
| 01:11:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 01:23:42 | lostlogic | on the ipod wheel, the position values are between 0 and 95? with zero being top? and we only account for up-to half way around in one 'button' event? |
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| 01:42:41 | Moos | Night all |
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| 01:56:48 | lostlogic | Hmm, what's more important in get_button for ipod: reducing the number of instructions in calculating scroll, or having equal cost paths for typical forward and backward events? |
| 01:58:28 | youngcerea1 | forward backward |
| 01:58:39 | youngcerea1 | have find the commands |
| 01:58:40 | youngcerea1 | ? |
| 01:59:34 | earHertz | lostlogic: reduce the instructions. Besides, forward and backward are not equally likely occurances on teh ipod |
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| 02:40:20 | JdGordy|uni | hey any1 here? |
| 02:40:29 | youngcerea1 | jp |
| 02:40:52 | JdGordy|uni | well... any of the devs around? |
| 02:41:08 | youngcerea1 | meybe |
| 02:41:11 | youngcerea1 | :) |
| 02:41:43 | youngcerea1 | what is your request meby i can help |
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| 04:30:41 | lostlogic | earHertz: I think I've got the button driver so that forward or backward are the same, and the only paths that are slightly slower are the wrap cases. |
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| 04:32:55 | gracchus | rb on 5g ipod is very nice, thanks to all |
| 04:33:36 | gracchus | is there someone actively working on recording? |
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| 04:34:27 | gracchus | I see the ipl WM8758 mic init code doesn't seem to exist yet |
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| 04:41:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | gracchus: I don't know, but I think nobody's working on recording on iPods at the moment. |
| 04:41:59 | gracchus | ok, thanks |
| 04:46:28 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: have you seen any cases when scrolling forward continuously of the scroll moving backwards one unit as you cross the top of the wheel? |
| 04:47:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: No, I have not. I seem to recall that being a bug early on with the driver, and then becoming fixed, but all I remember is a faint memory of a commit message regarding something like that. |
| 04:47:17 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks |
| 04:48:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Button driver would insert erronous events when wheel position overflowed, this fixes it." on the 22 of Dec |
| 04:48:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/button.c.diff?r1=1.104&r2=1.105 |
| 04:49:32 | lostlogic | thanks1 |
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| 04:50:41 | * | BHSPitLappy so happy! |
| 04:51:00 | lostlogic | hmm... my new code should deal with that, but I'm getting problems with the forward wrap, blah. |
| 04:51:19 | lostlogic | BHSPitMonkey: about? |
| 04:51:33 | BHSPitLappy | my brand new 5G I just opened! |
| 04:52:22 | lostlogic | whee! |
| 04:52:25 | JdGordon | congrats |
| 04:52:28 | JdGordon | now rb it! |
| 04:52:41 | BHSPitLappy | ASAP :P |
| 04:52:57 | BHSPitLappy | I'm actually wanting to get it physically protected and stuff first |
| 04:53:07 | BHSPitLappy | I still haven't taken off the protective film :P |
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| 04:56:23 | dpassen1 | 30 GB or 60? |
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| 05:01:34 | ScoTTie | damn, if anyone see's someone in here with an iPod Mini 2G can you get them to msg me ? |
| 05:01:46 | ScoTTie | need to test the keypad code for 2G |
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| 05:23:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, the battery scale is *definitely* off for the Nano |
| 05:23:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It started at 90%, and now it's been at 0% for a little while. :) |
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| 05:31:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Okay,the battery bench plugin does *not* automatically write on the iPod Nano ever. If I cause the plugin to exit by running another one, I get a proper battery reading (including voltage, since that's supported now, with a small change to the config-ipodnano), but if I just leave it running, the plugin never automatically updates the .txt, only when you manually cause the plugin to exit |
| 05:38:25 | XavierGr | hmmm maybe it has to do with the disk spinning issues. |
| 05:38:44 | XavierGr | on ondio this is simulated but this doesn't work on nano. |
| 05:39:15 | XavierGr | try this: start the benchmark and leave it for a few hours running. Then make the trick you do to force the input |
| 05:39:28 | XavierGr | normally there will be more events recorded |
| 05:40:02 | XavierGr | because on nano there is no HD spin event so the plugin will never write data to the file. Instead it will log the data temporary in memory. |
| 05:40:57 | XavierGr | if you do the trick you say maybe you will get some measurements, but until the HD simulation is fixed the plugin will ot work correctly. |
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| 05:43:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Unfortunately, I really just need to see at what level, roughly, the iPod turns off at, so I get a voltage reading. |
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| 05:44:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Fortunately, I got one at 6% for 3510 |
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| 06:01:00 | JdGordon | any1 here know the list or screen_access code? |
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| 06:22:03 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: What kind of battery is it? I'm hopeful that it's just a scaling problem and not an ADC problem. |
| 06:22:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I honestly have no clue. |
| 06:22:44 | Aditya | gnight y'all |
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| 06:24:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Apparently this is the same as the one built in: http://www.suntekstore.com/apple-ipod-nano-replacement-battery-with-tools−−-330-mah.html |
| 06:24:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Li-ion, 3.7v, 330mAh |
| 06:27:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's *possible* my battery wasn't fully charged when it said 90%, but I'm moderately sure it was. It didn't stay on 0% very long before it died though (5-10 minutes, I think) |
| 06:27:22 | lostlogic | hmm... will probably have to define another battery type for it, because it can probably run down to a much lwer level |
| 06:27:33 | lostlogic | and also probably reports a slightly lower voltage at full charge being such a low cap |
| 06:27:54 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: let me know if you notice a difference with my slightly improved button interrupt ;) |
| 06:28:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: When did that go in? |
| 06:28:35 | lostlogic | about 3 minutes ago |
| 06:28:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha. |
| 06:29:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Completely unscientific" eh? |
| 06:30:39 | lostlogic | I think it felt better. does that mean anything? no. But it is definitely a couple of registers less and a couple of instructions less in the most common cases |
| 06:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | With user input, "feels better" is more important anyway, I'd think. |
| 06:38:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: At the very least, there's going to need to be a different range of "Battery Capacity" choices in the menu. :) |
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| 06:48:21 | BHSPitLappy | hey... is the 5G bootloader different? |
| 06:48:39 | BHSPitLappy | I saw that it was red for a while, not sure if I need to use a new version |
| 06:51:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's still red, I believe |
| 06:51:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should be fine with the old version, anyway. I believe it's an indirect change (it changes some files the bootloader uses, but they won't affect the way rockbox works once you've left the bootloader I think). I could be wrong though |
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| 07:40:03 | Bg3r | morning |
| 07:40:10 | JdGordon | gmorning |
| 07:40:14 | midkay_ | morning Bg3r |
| 07:40:30 | Bg3r | ;) |
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| 07:45:11 | BHSPitMonkey | hey, is there a bug with bejeweled now? |
| 07:45:19 | BHSPitMonkey | as far as exiting the plugin |
| 07:45:39 | midkay_ | not for me.. |
| 07:45:48 | BHSPitMonkey | what's the combo? |
| 07:45:58 | midkay_ | hold select to bring up the menu.. |
| 07:46:05 | midkay_ | "end game" and then "exit plugin" or something. |
| 07:46:20 | BHSPitMonkey | ah, I'm used to the old combo :P |
| 07:46:24 | BHSPitMonkey | my bad. |
| 07:46:31 | midkay_ | how old? :) |
| 07:47:21 | BHSPitMonkey | meh |
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| 07:51:02 | midkay_ | BHSPitMonkey, did you get your video then? |
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| 07:53:23 | BHSPitMonkey | yuppers |
| 07:53:30 | midkay_ | enjoying it? |
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| 07:58:46 | BHSPitMonkey | yuppers |
| 07:59:14 | midkay_ | surely you have a compiled version of hotdog for it, then? ;) |
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| 08:02:44 | LinusN | midkay_: are you still editing FlySpray? |
| 08:03:06 | midkay_ | LinusN, i haven't checked it in a while - recently took up an interest in the wiki ;) |
| 08:03:09 | BHSPitMonkey | midkay_: who doesn't? :P |
| 08:03:16 | midkay_ | just finished fixing up the PluginIndex page |
| 08:03:31 | LinusN | There is a possibility that ZakkRoberts is editing this topic |
| 08:03:41 | LinusN | the FLySpray topic |
| 08:03:45 | midkay_ | BHSPitMonkey, i know you want to send it to me. and normally i wouldn't allow such a thing, but i think i can make an exception |
| 08:03:54 | BHSPitMonkey | when my internet regains its normal speed, I think I'll look at the rockboy code... |
| 08:03:55 | midkay_ | LinusN, oh, the wiki topic - i updated it, yes. |
| 08:04:14 | LinusN | but are you still editing it, or can i take the lock? |
| 08:04:27 | midkay_ | i'm done - lock? |
| 08:05:02 | LinusN | a topic is locked for 20 minutes after editing a topic, unless you check the checkbox at the bottom when you save it |
| 08:05:15 | LinusN | i took the lock now |
| 08:05:37 | midkay_ | oh, really? |
| 08:05:56 | midkay_ | i didn't know that, thanks - i thought it was for disabling the editing of pages by non-administrators or something. |
| 08:07:04 | LinusN | the lock is there so you can go back and update a page without polluting the history, as long as you still have the lock |
| 08:07:33 | LinusN | and of course to protect against simultaneous editinf |
| 08:07:37 | LinusN | editing |
| 08:07:39 | midkay_ | ah, very cool. |
| 08:08:00 | midkay_ | but useless for me - the history is already full of edits by me ;) |
| 08:08:29 | midkay_ | LinusN, btw - just remembered, i wanted to ask - how does the A-B repeat mode work on the Recorder? |
| 08:08:44 | midkay_ | i can't find anything anywhere on the wiki or mailing list |
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| 08:09:07 | LinusN | iirc, you set the A-B mode in the repeat setting |
| 08:09:23 | midkay_ | yes, that seems to be how to turn it on - but i can't see how you set A or B markers.. |
| 08:09:29 | LinusN | then you press ON+Left to set the A marker, and ON+Right to set the B marker |
| 08:09:48 | LinusN | and i believe you can clear them with a third combo |
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| 08:10:17 | midkay_ | LinusN, oh, that works, cool :) thanks |
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| 08:15:01 | TiMiD | hi |
| 08:15:11 | Bg3r | TiMiD ! :) hi |
| 08:15:18 | midkay_ | what would be the opposite of a software codec platform? hardware codec platform? :) sounds a bit wrong.. |
| 08:15:19 | Bg3r | wb |
| 08:15:26 | TiMiD | hehe I'm not dead as you can see |
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| 08:16:29 | TiMiD | right now I'm in japan (at work) |
| 08:16:52 | Bg3r | hehe |
| 08:17:24 | TiMiD | still interrested in rb but no time since 3 month at least :/ |
| 08:17:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I can't say it definitively, as it may just be placebo effect, but it did seem more responsive while I was out. |
| 08:18:17 | TiMiD | looks like there are more and more peaple here now |
| 08:18:51 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:18:59 | midkay_ | morning, amiconn |
| 08:19:36 | TiMiD | ohayou amiconn (to say as the local peaple do here) |
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| 08:31:05 | JdGordon | do viewers now have to be in the viewers folder? |
| 08:31:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, they can be in the rocks folder if they can also be run as a plugin. |
| 08:31:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just make sure that viewers.config points to it explicitly in the rocks folder. |
| 08:31:45 | JdGordon | i have added a line to viewers.config for rocks/blaa but it says cant open /.rockbox/viewers/blaa.rock ?? |
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| 08:32:34 | JdGordon | same for sudoku btw which is in the rocks folder but it looks to viewers/ ?? |
| 08:32:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Double check your line then. If you look at Sudoku, it's listed properly. |
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| 08:34:00 | JdGordon | txt,rocks/text_editor, 00 00 00 00 00 00 is the line.... works if its in the viewers folder, not rocks |
| 08:34:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Did you make sure to remove this line? txt,viewers/viewer,55 55 55 55 55 55 |
| 08:35:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no idea what it'll do if there are two lines for the same extension. |
| 08:35:37 | JdGordon | no, i havnt.. there is currently 2 lines with txt, im trying to open it with "open with" not as the default... |
| 08:35:41 | JdGordon | it should work... |
| 08:36:05 | * | JdGordon is checking the code |
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| 08:38:13 | muesli__ | g'morning m8s |
| 08:38:17 | JdGordon | yup, viewers is hardcoded... |
| 08:39:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Just for "Open with"? |
| 08:39:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Like, will it work if you use it as the default? |
| 08:39:40 | JdGordon | ill check |
| 08:39:47 | JdGordon | i haver a funny feeling its not |
| 08:39:57 | JdGordon | i mean, i tinhk it will work if its the default |
| 08:40:02 | JdGordon | the fix is simple |
| 08:40:11 | JdGordon | remove 3 lines from filetypes.c |
| 08:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 08:40:40 | JdGordon | yup, it works as default |
| 08:43:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, easy fix then? |
| 08:43:15 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:43:26 | JdGordon | but i want to add some code to remove duplicates from the list |
| 08:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 08:44:33 | JdGordon | actually.. i got a better idea for the fix.. so u dont have the full path in the list... |
| 08:45:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It was decided that they preferred having the full path |
| 08:45:31 | JdGordon | where? in the config or the list? |
| 08:45:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, sorry, in the config. |
| 08:46:41 | JdGordon | well the fix is either show the full path in the open with list, or check if /viewers/<plugin>.rock exsists and if it does run it, and if not run /rocks/<plugin>.rock |
| 08:46:44 | JdGordon | which is better?> |
| 08:47:09 | LinusN | JdGordon: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 08:47:35 | JdGordon | the open with list only loads rocks from the viewers folder |
| 08:47:48 | LinusN | yes? |
| 08:47:56 | JdGordon | even if its rocks/ in the config file |
| 08:48:07 | LinusN | aha |
| 08:48:54 | LinusN | well, we don't want to show non-viewers in the open-with list |
| 08:49:14 | JdGordon | ye ok |
| 08:49:40 | LinusN | but looking in viewers/ first and then in rocks/ sounds like a possible solution |
| 08:49:52 | JdGordon | ok, ill do that |
| 08:50:03 | JdGordon | i also ant to get rid of duplicates... that really annoys me :p |
| 08:50:16 | LinusN | that's a little trickier, iirc |
| 08:50:38 | JdGordon | not so much |
| 08:50:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I can't think of any reason why there should ever be identically named .rocks in both viewers and plugins (and anyway, that can be avoided fairly easily) |
| 08:52:29 | JdGordon | does doing continue in a for loop run the last bit before starting again? (i.e the i++ bit) |
| 08:52:37 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: can that easily be avoided without removing support with plugins that can be viewer and stand-alone plugin at the same time? |
| 08:52:52 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
| 08:53:00 | JdGordon | ta |
| 08:53:09 | JdGordon | markun |
| 08:53:14 | JdGordon | put the rock in rocks then |
| 08:53:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: It shouldn't affect those. In fact, it supports them better. |
| 08:53:32 | markun | ok, good |
| 08:58:17 | amiconn | JdGordon: There's another plugin scanning pass in filetypes.c that checks for plugins following a certain naming condition, and adds those as viewers when found. |
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| 08:58:40 | * | JdGordon going for dinner... |
| 08:58:45 | JdGordon | ill have a look when i get back |
| 08:58:59 | amiconn | I'm not sure where this is used, or whether anyone still uses it |
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| 09:00:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | What was it used for before? |
| 09:00:31 | amiconn | The original code was written by Henrik Backe, but he wasn't around for quite some time now |
| 09:00:45 | amiconn | last time in october 2005 as it seems |
| 09:01:31 | Bg3r | amiconn what was the firefox's plugin name ? ;) |
| 09:01:46 | amiconn | Iirc he was thinking about removing this scan pass |
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| 09:01:54 | LinusN | i think we can scrap that pass |
| 09:02:01 | amiconn | Bg3r: DownThemAll, or DTA for short |
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| 09:02:42 | Bg3r | 10x |
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| 09:32:53 | JdGordon | whats the general feeling about using the cpu boost? is it best to only use it if its really nescacery? |
| 09:34:14 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks the oscillograph should boost. |
| 09:34:17 | nudel | Always using it during and slightly after user interaction seems sensible to me. |
| 09:35:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the general idea is to try to avoid using it, except when necessary to maintain consistent performance. |
| 09:35:12 | LinusN | basically, it should boost when necessary |
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| 09:35:48 | asper | hi guys |
| 09:35:53 | LinusN | hi guy |
| 09:35:53 | asper | can I have an informtaion ? |
| 09:36:09 | asper | does anyone has the code for the 16f84 to build a remclone ? |
| 09:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I think trying *too* hard to avoid boosting can create frustrating performance issues too. |
| 09:36:24 | LinusN | asper: i don't |
| 09:36:31 | asper | I am building the remclone but I need the hex file |
| 09:36:39 | asper | who has it ? |
| 09:37:07 | asper | in the schematics page there are only 3 pdf |
| 09:37:23 | LinusN | you could build this one instead: http://www.geocities.com/raichea/ |
| 09:37:34 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/open_with.patch <- finished patch... i think boosting the filetype_load_menu function might help.. but i dunno if its worth it coz atm the viewers.config is like 20lines... |
| 09:38:10 | asper | thanks for the link but I already have some 16f84 but no 12c508 |
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| 09:39:02 | LinusN | asper: the code should be very simple |
| 09:39:19 | asper | I know but I have no pic knowledge, I am simply able to program them |
| 09:39:30 | LinusN | unfortunately it seems that the remoclone code is lost :-( |
| 09:39:41 | asper | NO !!! Really ??? |
| 09:39:45 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: oscillograph needs fixing anyway. It doesn't scroll the oscillogram as it should except on archos and H1x0 |
| 09:40:10 | amiconn | It can't do this because it uses lcd_roll() for scrolling, which is impossible to implement for H300 |
| 09:40:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: The lack of scrolling doesn't look *too* bad to me, but the huge amount the speed changes on iPod when the boost goes on and off makes me cringe. :) |
| 09:40:42 | amiconn | I want to port oscilloscope as well; this one uses a timer routine to maintain constant speed |
| 09:40:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah, nice |
| 09:40:55 | asper | so none can help me with remclone hex ? |
| 09:41:04 | amiconn | Either we scrap oscillograph then, or adapt it to use soft scrolling + timer as well |
| 09:41:11 | LinusN | asper: i'm afraid i can't |
| 09:41:20 | amiconn | I'm going to scrap lcd_roll() as well |
| 09:41:36 | asper | so another little question: i recently bought an IPod MINI 4G colour screen... it isn't mentioned in your ipod page... |
| 09:41:39 | LinusN | asper: i think you are the first one to actually build one |
| 09:42:04 | LinusN | amiconn: go for the kill |
| 09:42:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | asper: There were minis with a color screen? |
| 09:42:32 | asper | LinusN: I am trying to build the modified RM-X2S (sony joystick) but when I found that remcolne has a 16f84 (that I already have) I changed my mind |
| 09:43:05 | asper | I bought a present for my brother: IPod MINI 4Gigabytes with color screen |
| 09:43:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | asper: do you mean the Nano? |
| 09:43:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | asper: the flash based one? |
| 09:44:25 | asper | I dunno, in the box it's written IPod Mini |
| 09:44:37 | asper | I didn't tryied |
| 09:44:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | asper: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 09:44:51 | asper | Mine is not mentioned there |
| 09:45:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | None of the pictures look the same as it? |
| 09:45:24 | asper | it seems to be iPod Photo |
| 09:45:32 | asper | but in the box package it's written MINI |
| 09:45:54 | asper | 4 giga payed 209 euros in December |
| 09:46:45 | markun | asper: is it a HD of flash based ipod? |
| 09:46:53 | markun | s/of/or/ |
| 09:47:16 | asper | LinusN: who did realize the remclone project ? In the page is mentioned "RockBox Team" |
| 09:47:32 | asper | Really dunno, I didn't oopen the package |
| 09:47:35 | LinusN | some Tjerk fellow |
| 09:47:53 | asper | I will tell you with picture when I will have one from my brother |
| 09:48:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | asper: As far as I know the iPod Mini never had a color screen. Are you sure it's a genuine Apple? |
| 09:48:13 | asper | Yes, I bought it in a commercial center |
| 09:48:19 | asper | and payed it A LOT ! |
| 09:48:38 | asper | Maybe a package error |
| 09:48:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 4G iPod Nano costs $250 US |
| 09:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the 30G photo costs $300 if I recall. |
| 09:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | 200 euros sounds like a lot. |
| 09:49:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well |
| 09:49:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's a "mini" and not a Nano. |
| 09:49:37 | asper | what I am sure is that it's a 4Giga |
| 09:49:45 | asper | i will send you pics asap |
| 09:50:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's *probably* a Nano, since that looks very much like the Photo, is the only one available in 4 gigs any more if I recall, and would be at the right price. But this is just a guess. |
| 09:50:28 | asper | so no way to have a remclone 16f84 software... |
| 09:50:59 | asper | Paul: i will answer your question when my brother will come back home |
| 09:51:19 | JdGordon | asper: is it about 4mm thick? coz then its a min |
| 09:51:20 | JdGordon | i |
| 09:51:23 | * | JdGordon idiot |
| 09:51:25 | JdGordon | nano |
| 09:51:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I think he hasn't opened it yet, since it's for his brother. |
| 09:51:49 | JdGordon | ooh... alrighty |
| 09:52:00 | JdGordon | did any1 look at the patch or did it get lost in the log? |
| 09:52:16 | LinusN | asper: unless you write it yourself... :-( |
| 09:52:38 | asper | LinusN: will it be difficult ? |
| 09:52:57 | asper | I saw the 12c508 code... it seems to be easy |
| 09:53:03 | asper | but I really dunno where to start from |
| 09:53:06 | LinusN | not necessarily difficult |
| 09:53:16 | LinusN | but it takes some experimenting |
| 09:53:23 | asper | damn |
| 09:53:28 | LinusN | if you are new to PIC's |
| 09:53:44 | asper | yes, I am new and I study medecine... |
| 09:53:53 | LinusN | the remoclone is dead simple though |
| 09:53:55 | asper | so not so much time to spend on it |
| 09:54:18 | asper | did you have ever received the hex for remclone ? maybe a mirror page... |
| 09:54:35 | LinusN | i doubt it, lemme search the server |
| 09:54:44 | asper | thank you |
| 09:55:06 | asper | oh, well, I want to thank you all for the GREAT ROCKBOX SOFTWARE OF COURSE !!! |
| 09:56:55 | LinusN | asper: no, i can't find anything on the server |
| 09:57:05 | LinusN | i have one option left, hang on... |
| 09:58:15 | LinusN | asper: i found an asm file in the email archive |
| 09:58:55 | asper | WOW ! is it for the 16f84 or the 12C508 ? |
| 09:58:57 | JdGordon | :'( the list no working in plugins |
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| 10:00:39 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2001-12/att-0115/01-remocl98.asm |
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| 10:01:17 | asper | I LOVE YOU ! Who wrote it ? |
| 10:03:15 | asper | what's that ? #include ".\p16f84.inc" |
| 10:03:21 | LinusN | Tjerk Schuringa |
| 10:03:26 | asper | is there a file for the compiler ? |
| 10:03:32 | asper | how can I contact Tjerk ? |
| 10:03:46 | LinusN | asper: it's a standard include file delivered with the assembler (mplab) |
| 10:04:23 | asper | marvellous !!! |
| 10:04:35 | asper | I really thank you |
| 10:04:53 | LinusN | well, his last known email address was regenpak_at_yahoo.com |
| 10:04:58 | asper | a silly question: using mplab and loading the asm file, can It be compiled to be used with different pics ? |
| 10:05:05 | LinusN | if that doesn't work, google for his name |
| 10:05:13 | LinusN | asper: yes |
| 10:05:33 | LinusN | but you might have to tweak it to fit the chip in question |
| 10:06:17 | asper | I got it ! |
| 10:06:23 | asper | Thank you LinusN |
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| 10:06:52 | asper | last question: the connector of remclone is the line-in ? |
| 10:07:58 | Maxime` | remclone? what's that? |
| 10:07:59 | Maxime` | x |
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| 10:08:17 | JdGordon | LinusN: is there a reason why the list callback form my plugin isnt being called from the list code? im doing everything correctly |
| 10:08:40 | asper | it's a wire-remote-control for the archos units |
| 10:08:51 | asper | http://www.rockbox.org/schematics/ |
| 10:09:04 | asper | here it's the ASM (THANKS LinusN) |
| 10:09:04 | asper | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2001-12/att-0115/01-remocl98.asm |
| 10:09:22 | Maxime | k thx |
| 10:09:25 | asper | ;) |
| 10:12:11 | asper | last question: the connector of remclone is the line-in ? |
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| 10:13:56 | LinusN | asper: headphone out |
| 10:14:27 | LinusN | asper: please return and let us know your progress |
| 10:16:37 | asper | FOR SURE !!! |
| 10:16:41 | * | JdGordon is such a dill... looking for the bug in the wrong place :p |
| 10:16:57 | * | LinusN takes notes |
| 10:16:57 | asper | but one moment: I have to connect the remote to the headphone out ? |
| 10:17:09 | asper | and the other jack |
| 10:17:10 | asper | ? |
| 10:17:16 | LinusN | asper: yes, using a 4-pole connector |
| 10:17:58 | asper | there are 2 connectors in remclone: 4pin and 3pin |
| 10:18:06 | LinusN | the remote connects to the archos headphone output, and then you connect the phones to the remoclone |
| 10:18:45 | asper | PERFECT ! |
| 10:18:56 | asper | I will look for 4pin jacks now ;) |
| 10:19:05 | asper | I hope it will be done in 10 days at least :) |
| 10:19:59 | asper | the lithium battery is a 5v battery ? |
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| 10:20:28 | tucoz | hello. Where is the key-presses defined for the sdl-sims? |
| 10:20:36 | tucoz | *are ;) |
| 10:21:41 | safetydan | In /uisimulator/sdl/button.c IIRC |
| 10:22:21 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4791 |
| 10:22:28 | LinusN | asper: probably 3v |
| 10:22:35 | LinusN | but i'm not sure |
| 10:22:39 | tucoz | safetydan, ok thanks. |
| 10:22:50 | LinusN | asper: you want a 4-pin plug, not jack |
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| 10:24:27 | w3rty | hey |
| 10:27:01 | muesli__ | ho |
| 10:28:45 | w3rty | i need help |
| 10:28:47 | w3rty | <3 |
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| 10:29:33 | petur | obviously |
| 10:29:43 | LinusN | w3rty: how nice of you to come and share it with us :-) |
| 10:29:57 | safetydan | How complicated is the WPS code getting these days? |
| 10:30:05 | * | safetydan is looking at the eq WPS tags patch |
| 10:30:06 | LinusN | safetydan: horrible ;-) |
| 10:30:27 | | Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m77.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 10:30:27 | safetydan | I can imagine it's getting pretty bad in there :) |
| 10:30:37 | Moos | Hello! |
| 10:30:38 | B4gder | it was pretty bad already a year ago |
| 10:30:43 | safetydan | Whatever happened to the tokenizer idea? |
| 10:30:47 | B4gder | now with 422 new tags it is a qualified MESS |
| 10:31:25 | * | Moos have just receive his new X5 60 gb :) |
| 10:31:31 | Bg3r | B4gder 422?!?!? |
| 10:31:40 | B4gder | oh wel, perhaps only 421 ;-) |
| 10:31:47 | B4gder | I didn't count |
| 10:31:51 | JdGordon | what is on in the h300 sim? |
| 10:31:54 | Bg3r | haha |
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| 10:35:30 | safetydan | eek... gwps-common.c is nearly 80k |
| 10:36:10 | JdGordon | yay, the worlds simplest text editor works :D |
| 10:36:32 | safetydan | with roughly 104 case statements |
| 10:37:20 | B4gder | the messy part is the alternating lines and what tags that cause refresh etc unless I confuse things |
| 10:37:40 | B4gder | (haven't looked at the code recently) |
| 10:37:42 | nudel | there's no way for a WPS to offset the text by x,y pixels, is there? |
| 10:37:51 | B4gder | nudel: not yet, no |
| 10:37:57 | nudel | ok thanks |
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| 10:43:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've been thinking about the 'multiple fonts in a WPS' thing, and was wondering, how bad would it be if you had to stop music playback to change WPSes? (Well, it wouldn't be strictly necessary, but you may need to refill the buffer, I with an idea I'm sorta toying with in my head) |
| 10:43:56 | LinusN | ah, to have the fonts in the audio buffer? |
| 10:44:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not the fonts |
| 10:44:18 | B4gder | tucoz: seen #4790 ? |
| 10:44:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Instead of storing the actual metadata, render the metadata into mono bitmaps of the string, and store those. |
| 10:44:36 | tucoz | B4gder, no. I checked like an hour ago. |
| 10:44:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Using the fonts, of course. |
| 10:44:43 | tucoz | for manual patches. |
| 10:44:56 | tucoz | ah, great |
| 10:44:59 | petur | amiconn: the current clipping detection (two max values) isn't ok for swcodec targets. Did a recording and got way more clipping than the cliplight showed me :( So for swcodecs: one max value will be clip alert... |
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| 10:46:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way, regardless of the number of fonts used, the size used is mostly dependent on the metadata. Scrolling could be handled by simply showing a subset of the bitmap, which also makes scrolling margins possible, and per-pixel positioning with existing code. Sorta. I mean, it's not a perfect idea yet, but it seems an alternative solution. |
| 10:46:28 | youngcereal | morning |
| 10:46:31 | youngcereal | to all |
| 10:46:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Feel free to laugh if it sounds silly. Just something that was floating in the back of my mind. |
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| 10:47:08 | markun | Moos: congrats! |
| 10:47:30 | Moos | Hello markun, merci :) |
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| 10:52:52 | tucoz | Zagor, are you around? |
| 10:52:58 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:53:18 | tucoz | Zagor, could you add me so that I can close patches in flyspray? |
| 10:53:29 | Zagor | sure |
| 10:53:29 | JdGordon | yay, ok we now have a text editor for rb :D cept its shit.. |
| 10:53:43 | youngcereal | cool |
| 10:53:44 | tucoz | Zagor, what info do you need? |
| 10:53:51 | | Quit asper () |
| 10:53:58 | youngcereal | work on ipod |
| 10:54:11 | Zagor | tucoz: have you ever logged in to flyspray? |
| 10:54:13 | JdGordon | youngcereal: yup, it will work on all targets |
| 10:54:46 | tucoz | Zagor, no. I do not know if my sf account forwards mail to me. Maybe I could try that first :) |
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| 10:55:02 | Zagor | try that. you're in the "Developers" group already, so you should be good to go. |
| 10:55:04 | youngcereal | its good |
| 10:55:09 | tucoz | Zagor, ok. Thanks |
| 10:55:58 | youngcereal | JdGordon: in next time i programming the patches on ipod target self. 1 Jahr for 5 lines ;) |
| 10:55:59 | tucoz | Zagor, I think I have lost my password. |
| 10:56:11 | tucoz | forget it |
| 10:56:20 | tucoz | I should learn to follow links and read |
| 10:56:25 | Zagor | :-) |
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| 10:57:26 | youngcereal | JdGordon: but i think i made a better key input for ipod like scroll a line thats better |
| 10:57:29 | tucoz | Ok, it works just fine. |
| 10:58:36 | JdGordon | youngcereal: im hugly cheating... the input is the standard screen keyboard (but this might change) and the display uses the list widget.. so itl be workable, but you couldnt use it to type an essay |
| 10:58:39 | youngcereal | JdGordon: or interrsst ar an word detect like handys if you edit idtags takes artis from db later ;) |
| 10:59:46 | youngcereal | JdGordon: not bad its an beginig better starts hard then never ;) |
| 10:59:58 | JdGordon | ??? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:28 | c0utta | i have a question about MAX_FILES_IN_PLAYLIST |
| 11:02:10 | c0utta | any takers? I'm looking in your direction LinusN... |
| 11:02:16 | JdGordon | c0utta: no1 will be able to answer u unless u ask... |
| 11:02:53 | LinusN | exactly |
| 11:02:59 | LinusN | i was waiting for the question |
| 11:03:26 | JdGordon | c0utta: of course the answer is 42 tho... |
| 11:03:37 | petur | hahaha |
| 11:03:40 | c0utta | i wa hoping 42000 |
| 11:03:46 | c0utta | wa=was |
| 11:03:52 | JdGordon | nup |
| 11:03:53 | JdGordon | 42 |
| 11:03:58 | petur | you didn't take that long to find that answer ;) |
| 11:04:22 | c0utta | the settings have the maximum files at 20000 |
| 11:05:05 | c0utta | if i modify the CFG file and up this to 42000 and then load a large playlist, should it max out at 20000 still? |
| 11:05:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you really have a playlist that large? |
| 11:06:17 | c0utta | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-02/0340.shtml |
| 11:06:39 | LinusN | c0utta: i believe it will choke above 32767 |
| 11:06:56 | LinusN | since the setting struct allocates 15 bits for that setting |
| 11:07:19 | LinusN | that can of course be changed |
| 11:08:05 | c0utta | LinusN: create my own patch? |
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| 11:08:38 | LinusN | create and submit a patch that allocates 16 bits and raises the limit to 64000 |
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| 11:09:13 | LinusN | and i'll commit it |
| 11:11:16 | JdGordon | cough http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4791 |
| 11:11:32 | petur | lol |
| 11:12:15 | c0utta | what is the potential to blow out memory - I'm not that familiar with the structure to support playlists |
| 11:14:20 | LinusN | JdGordon: care to explain the if (!(attr & ATTR_DIRECTORY) && attr) change? |
| 11:14:39 | JdGordon | adds the open with menu option for all files |
| 11:14:57 | LinusN | c0utta: don't worry, the memory is allocated from the mp3 buffer |
| 11:14:58 | JdGordon | so you can open a file not in the config file |
| 11:15:16 | JdGordon | i said in the comments u can get rid of that if u dont like it.. i think its handy tho |
| 11:16:30 | c0utta | is BlueChip's DevKit still the easiest way to get cygwin environment for development? |
| 11:16:38 | LinusN | JdGordon: did you investigate why there were duplicates in the viewer menu? |
| 11:16:48 | LinusN | c0utta: no |
| 11:17:03 | c0utta | check the wiki? |
| 11:17:12 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:17:16 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, coz it adds every line from viewers.conf, i just added an extra check |
| 11:17:19 | nudel | i've never used cygwin before this weekend but i followed the steps on the rockbox wiki and it all worked fine |
| 11:17:31 | JdGordon | thats the added for loop in filetypes.c |
| 11:17:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: ok |
| 11:17:52 | nudel | don't panic if the cygwin setup.exe, late in the install, seems to be doing nothing but using lots of CPU for several minutes. it came back eventually. |
| 11:17:53 | c0utta | it's been a couple of years since i had my own development environment.... |
| 11:17:59 | LinusN | c0utta: :-) |
| 11:20:16 | LinusN | JdGordon: does the patch make the viewers.conf format incompatible? |
| 11:20:21 | JdGordon | no |
| 11:20:32 | LinusN | ah i see now |
| 11:20:35 | c0utta | I was doing development on dynamic key mapping and then lost everything with a HD crash |
| 11:20:46 | JdGordon | possibly could be a better way to do it.. but this works |
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| 11:25:14 | LinusN | petur: there? |
| 11:25:18 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 11:25:26 | petur | yup |
| 11:25:40 | LinusN | regarding the corrupt recordings |
| 11:26:24 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you intend to look at the H300 pcf i2c timing soonish? It may well be that his causes my button problems... |
| 11:26:30 | LinusN | the archos recording code does an fsync() every time it saves the buffer |
| 11:26:56 | petur | aha |
| 11:27:06 | LinusN | amiconn: i haven't yet connected my new h300 to the LA |
| 11:27:34 | LinusN | petur: the swcodec recording code should do the same |
| 11:28:28 | webmind | does anyone know if the ipod nano has recording options ? |
| 11:34:34 | linuxstb | webmind: The dock connector should have a line-in, and I think the ipodlinux people have also got the headphone socket acting as a mic input/line-in as well. But there is no support in Rockbox yet. |
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| 11:34:52 | webmind | linuxstb, ok |
| 11:35:00 | webmind | so no ogg recorder yet :) |
| 11:35:56 | linuxstb | Realtime ogg encoding will probably never happen anyway. But Rockbox has a lossless wavpack encoder and a (poor quality) mp3 encoder. |
| 11:37:01 | petur | LinusN: thanks. made a note of it, will fix |
| 11:37:21 | LinusN | greato |
| 11:37:23 | * | petur curses at paid work for interrupting him |
| 11:42:46 | petur | amiconn: saw my remark regarding clip detection earlier ^^^ ? |
| 11:51:28 | Bg3r | linuxstb don't say *never* ... gigabeat has 300MHz ARM cpu ... |
| 11:54:25 | linuxstb | Bg3r: True, never is the wrong word. But I'm not even sure the gigabeat could manage it unless it has an FPU. |
| 11:55:45 | Bg3r | yep, u're probably right ... |
| 11:55:51 | Bg3r | but after 2-3 years... |
| 11:55:53 | Paprica | LinusN, http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4760 |
| 11:56:23 | LinusN | Paprica: cool |
| 11:56:36 | Paprica | =] |
| 12:00 |
| 12:01:16 | petur | now, how can I let it sync automatically with my pc agenda? :P |
| 12:01:27 | LinusN | if it works well enough, i'm inclined to replace the existing calendar.c with this one |
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| 12:02:27 | Paprica | LinusN, could you try it on one of the targets you have? |
| 12:02:34 | LinusN | i will |
| 12:02:40 | Paprica | good |
| 12:02:40 | Paprica | =] |
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| 12:04:02 | * | preglow kicks fixed point |
| 12:04:36 | tucoz | get him good, right beneath the rips. I'll hold him for you. |
| 12:04:40 | tucoz | ribs |
| 12:06:43 | preglow | eq plotter basically works fine, but i just can't get it completely accurate |
| 12:06:52 | preglow | instead of peaking at 24 db, it peaks at 24.3 db |
| 12:07:06 | preglow | and it's because of some precision hungry division |
| 12:07:54 | ashridah | mm. precision, *munch*, yum! |
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| 12:18:22 | JdGordon | any1 wanna test out my text editor? |
| 12:18:29 | youngcereal | yes |
| 12:18:35 | JdGordon | what target? |
| 12:18:41 | youngcereal | ipod g4 photo |
| 12:18:45 | youngcereal | 60gb |
| 12:19:01 | JdGordon | ok, just gotta get rid of this 1 annoying bug |
| 12:20:19 | JdGordon | haha, by annoying i mean completly fucked! |
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| 12:20:44 | youngcereal | ok i can live with that |
| 12:20:52 | youngcereal | i make the best ;) |
| 12:21:23 | youngcereal | michael at thyradan.de <−− my mail |
| 12:22:35 | JdGordon | grr.. na its crashing.. i havta fix this bug |
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| 12:25:35 | youngcereal | ok |
| 12:28:58 | Bg3r | LinusN ? anything against commiting http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4745 ? |
| 12:31:09 | LinusN | Bg3r: go ahead |
| 12:31:20 | Bg3r | k, let me first try/test it :) |
| 12:32:22 | Bg3r | hm, this will boost on all platforms (that support it) |
| 12:33:03 | JdGordon | Bg3r: the radio shouldnt need to boost... did he remove the idle setting or add cpu boosting? |
| 12:33:32 | Bg3r | the idle |
| 12:33:42 | JdGordon | ok, :) |
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| 12:47:21 | JdGordon | what does "Out of menus!" mean, and could that be why the sim just crashed? |
| 12:47:31 | JdGordon | itss the last line of stderr.txt |
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| 12:49:05 | safetydan | JdGordon, grep is your friend |
| 12:49:44 | safetydan | Are you calling menu_exit at the end of any menu code? |
| 12:49:56 | safetydan | There can only be a certain number of menus active before it blows up |
| 12:50:17 | safetydan | The limit is 5 at the moment so no menu structures deeper than five levels |
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| 12:50:42 | asper | hi linusn are you still tehre ? |
| 12:50:50 | LinusN | yes |
| 12:51:00 | asper | another component question about remclone |
| 12:51:11 | asper | if you look in the schematic |
| 12:51:19 | asper | what is the connector on the top right ? |
| 12:51:25 | asper | J1 ISP |
| 12:52:11 | LinusN | i guess it's for programming the chip |
| 12:52:35 | asper | like a socket ? |
| 12:52:36 | LinusN | if you have a surface mounted chip |
| 12:52:49 | Bg3r | is there a way to edit the commit message ... |
| 12:53:00 | JdGordon | safetydan: no, im using menus, but only 1 deep |
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| 12:53:18 | LinusN | Bg3r: not after committing |
| 12:53:25 | amiconn | cvs admin ... |
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| 12:53:41 | amiconn | The message on the frontpage won't change though |
| 12:53:57 | Bg3r | okay, i forgot to mention "on keypress" ... |
| 12:55:04 | JdGordon | yay, its all working :D |
| 12:55:34 | JdGordon | ok, i need a key combo for exit and menu for the ipods..? |
| 12:55:41 | JdGordon | and select |
| 12:56:21 | amiconn | Bg3r: What do you mean? |
| 12:56:27 | safetydan | JdGordon, okay, so it's probably the menu_exit missing then |
| 12:56:46 | JdGordon | menu_exit is needed after every menu? |
| 12:57:25 | Bg3r | amiconn : "Getting CPU out of idle mode *on key press*..." |
| 12:57:29 | safetydan | JdGordon, yes |
| 12:57:33 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 12:59:33 | amiconn | Bg3r: cvs admin -m 1.92:"blahbla" apps/recorder/radio.c |
| 12:59:49 | amiconn | The blahbla is of course the complete, revised message |
| 12:59:51 | JdGordon | ok, another wierd bug... ive got a list setup and it works fine... except the first time its drawn it starts on the 2nd line, not the first??? |
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| 13:00:23 | Bg3r | amiconn 10x :) |
| 13:00:32 | safetydan | JdGordon, off by one error maybe? I assume the list code is 0 based |
| 13:00:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know why it's impossible to add a ! to a commit message |
| 13:00:51 | amiconn | Whenever I try this, I get an error from bash ?? |
| 13:01:05 | linuxstb | Have you tried putting a \ before it? |
| 13:01:22 | amiconn | Yes. Then the \ gets added to the commit message as well |
| 13:01:46 | JdGordon | safetydan: no, when i init it i select item 0 |
| 13:02:00 | linuxstb | You could try omitting the -m option, which I think makes cvs open up your editor. |
| 13:03:43 | * | amiconn wonders what editor that might be under cygwin |
| 13:03:52 | linuxstb | Probably vi - echo $EDITOR |
| 13:05:01 | linuxstb | It seems to be a bash issue - trying to make echo display an ! gives the same problem - unless you omit the quotes and just do echo \! |
| 13:05:25 | Mikachu | are you using double or single quotes? |
| 13:05:35 | linuxstb | The same happens for me with either. |
| 13:05:58 | Mikachu | it works for me with single quotes or no quotes at all |
| 13:06:00 | amiconn | Ah, single quotes work... |
| 13:06:08 | linuxstb | I've just spotted that as well... |
| 13:06:32 | amiconn | No quotes obviously won't work for commit messages |
| 13:06:45 | linuxstb | It would if you escaped all your spaces.... But not fun. |
| 13:06:53 | Mikachu | just use single quotes.. :) |
| 13:07:51 | JdGordon | grr.. the problem is with the status bar :p |
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| 13:10:41 | JdGordon | youngcereal: still there? if u wanna test it i need some key combos |
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| 13:12:08 | youngcereal | yes |
| 13:12:47 | JdGordon | i need select, exit, menu, and delete (delete isnt really needed) |
| 13:12:56 | youngcereal | JdGordon: no prob wath is with a menu like bejeweled |
| 13:13:30 | JdGordon | ok, ill look |
| 13:14:37 | JdGordon | select and menu are 2 diff buttons... select will open the keyboard widget to edit the line, menu will show a menu.... |
| 13:14:44 | youngcereal | JdGordon: Menu (BUTTON_SELECT && BUTTON_MENU) Exit (BUTTON_SELECT && BUTTON_LEFT) Delete (BUTTON_SELECT && BUTTON_PLAY) |
| 13:16:01 | youngcereal | ok but when select do open a menu save exit or keyboard |
| 13:16:19 | JdGordon | select goes straight to the keyboard |
| 13:16:33 | youngcereal | JdGordon: or 2 sek press select open keyboard |
| 13:16:47 | JdGordon | im gonna have to do some fiddly coding to get that to work.. |
| 13:17:03 | youngcereal | ok thats only an idear |
| 13:17:47 | youngcereal | if i have time i make an ipod menuwidget for rockbox it's needet |
| 13:20:02 | youngcereal | at the moment i work on the remote for ipod cable if that finish. i find not the word |
| 13:20:44 | youngcereal | and than for that a menu in settings how self can buttons make link |
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| 13:20:58 | youngcereal | i hobe you know i not find the word |
| 13:21:04 | youngcereal | in english |
| 13:21:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: Short/long distinction is quite simple. It also allows to use a button as modifier and for a plain short press at the same time |
| 13:21:41 | youngcereal | and with the menu can i make a menu widget :) |
| 13:21:41 | JdGordon | ok, i tinhk i get it |
| 13:21:44 | amiconn | This is done in many places in the core as well as plugins |
| 13:22:03 | JdGordon | ye, its just confusing with all the #ifdefs :p |
| 13:24:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What are the normal 7 buttons on the ipod used for? i.e. PREV/NEXT, MENU, PLAY, SELECT and Scroll FWD/BACK ? |
| 13:24:10 | JdGordon | youngcereal: ipod color/phot? |
| 13:24:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i dunno... |
| 13:24:36 | JdGordon | i dont use it at all, which is why im asking for suggestinos |
| 13:24:58 | linuxstb | I mean, what do you need to define? |
| 13:25:18 | JdGordon | select, menu, exit and possibly delete |
| 13:25:38 | JdGordon | + up/down is defined from the list widget |
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| 13:26:57 | linuxstb | SELECT could be BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REL, menu is BUTTON_MENU, delete could be BUTTON_LEFT. Exit should then be BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_MENU up/down are probably mapped to the scroll events in the list widget. |
| 13:28:03 | JdGordon | ok, done |
| 13:28:18 | JdGordon | i think thats simpler than the other combo that was suggested |
| 13:29:04 | JdGordon | anyway, my text editor is mostly done, it works on individual lines, and atm u can delete a line, copy/paste, insert before/after the selected line... anything else ive misssed? |
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| 13:29:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: clipart :-P |
| 13:29:40 | JdGordon | text editor... |
| 13:29:43 | JdGordon | TEXT |
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| 13:31:03 | Bg3r | wow, another girl in the channel... |
| 13:31:31 | Mikachu | or someone who wants help ;) |
| 13:31:49 | petur | or both :P |
| 13:31:53 | german_girl | :) |
| 13:33:30 | Bg3r | or simply rb user |
| 13:33:31 | Bg3r | :) |
| 13:34:43 | german_girl | or real user |
| 13:34:50 | german_girl | may be |
| 13:34:54 | B4gder | nah |
| 13:35:00 | B4gder | real users don't find us |
| 13:35:02 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:35:04 | petur | nah, we don't support real yet |
| 13:36:18 | JdGordon | LinusN: u didnt like the open with patch? |
| 13:36:21 | LinusN | i've always wondered, what is this "user" thing everybody |
| 13:36:25 | german_girl | lol |
| 13:36:28 | german_girl | all are unreal |
| 13:36:30 | german_girl | :) |
| 13:36:33 | LinusN | s talking about? |
| 13:37:13 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes i did, only that i'm still thinking if there is a better approach to the path problem |
| 13:37:21 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 13:37:32 | Lynx_ | is there any estimate on how many players run rockbox out there? maybe by download number? |
| 13:37:52 | JdGordon | 400 million |
| 13:37:55 | JdGordon | billion |
| 13:37:56 | JdGordon | trillion |
| 13:37:58 | JdGordon | .3 |
| 13:38:46 | B4gder | Lynx_: nope |
| 13:39:16 | Lynx_ | how can the rockbox marketing department even work without the most basic data? ;) |
| 13:39:19 | linuxstb | B4gder: Go on, have a guess :) How many zeros? |
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| 13:39:40 | B4gder | I think I can safely say that we are more than 100 |
| 13:39:45 | Lynx_ | hehe |
| 13:39:45 | B4gder | but less than one million |
| 13:39:46 | Bg3r | :Ä |
| 13:39:53 | Bg3r | :D |
| 13:40:49 | Bg3r | B4gder why do you think the number is less than 1 million ? |
| 13:41:06 | B4gder | because one million users is insanely much |
| 13:41:39 | Mikachu | you have 96 right here in the channel |
| 13:42:00 | petur | minus the dupes and bots of course... |
| 13:42:06 | B4gder | yes, it should be safe to estimate more than 1000 users too |
| 13:42:33 | linuxstb | Any idea how many registered forum users there are? |
| 13:42:57 | linuxstb | Ah yes, 2757... |
| 13:42:59 | Lynx_ | how many hits does the site get a day? |
| 13:43:33 | B4gder | ~7000 unique visitors/day |
| 13:43:53 | JdGordon | do all targets have the same plugin buffer? |
| 13:43:59 | B4gder | uh, no |
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| 13:44:02 | B4gder | 7000 visits |
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| 13:44:19 | linuxstb | JdGordon: No - 32KB on Archos, 512KB elsewhere (at the moment) |
| 13:44:23 | Lynx_ | ok |
| 13:44:26 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:46:13 | youngcereal | how can i put a message in log (debug) |
| 13:46:37 | LinusN | logf |
| 13:47:18 | youngcereal | yes |
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| 13:54:38 | JdGordon | any1 feeling adventurous... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2925.0 |
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| 13:58:02 | Jungti1234 | hello |
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| 14:09:37 | LinusN | lostlogic: there? |
| 14:10:53 | Jungti1234 | hmm... |
| 14:10:54 | Jungti1234 | http://pds1.egloos.com/pds/1/200603/06/67/a0004367_11324191.jpg |
| 14:11:28 | JdGordon | the new rumoured ipod video? |
| 14:11:47 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 14:11:58 | B4gder | there's a new ipod video every day |
| 14:12:04 | crashd | lol, that's so retarded |
| 14:12:11 | Jungti1234 | more picture - http://pds1.egloos.com/pds/1/200603/06/67/a0004367_1228781.jpg |
| 14:12:24 | B4gder | we should make a few ones too |
| 14:12:26 | JdGordon | that 2nd 1 looks fake |
| 14:12:27 | Jungti1234 | and - http://pds2.egloos.com/pds/1/200603/06/67/a0004367_11325285.jpg |
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| 14:13:29 | petur | otoh, think of the amount of keys we could define on it :D |
| 14:13:42 | Jungti1234 | I worry about its battery.. |
| 14:14:04 | petur | true |
| 14:14:06 | crashd | i think there's more to worry about than the battery ;) |
| 14:14:13 | crashd | like, how the hell you'd boot it into disc mode :p |
| 14:14:15 | B4gder | yes, fake players often have problems with their batteries |
| 14:14:18 | Jungti1234 | hehe.. |
| 14:14:27 | JdGordon | B4gder: haha |
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| 14:14:37 | sacrose | hello all |
| 14:14:38 | crashd | : ) |
| 14:14:41 | crashd | touché B4gder |
| 14:14:46 | sacrose | I have a little bit of a problem with my rock box |
| 14:14:57 | sacrose | could anyone offer service? |
| 14:15:01 | petur | that big screen would be very hard to keep safe from cracking |
| 14:15:12 | JdGordon | and fingureprints |
| 14:15:27 | youngcereal | the new ipod then scretch more easyer then jet |
| 14:15:27 | sacrose | The problem is, I have uploaded all sorts of music files to my Rock Box, and none of them seem to play |
| 14:15:36 | Jungti1234 | Its LCD may be dangerous. |
| 14:15:38 | youngcereal | if you think to touch |
| 14:15:39 | youngcereal | ;) |
| 14:15:58 | LinusN | sacrose: which music format? |
| 14:16:01 | B4gder | sacrose: what player model and what happens? |
| 14:16:03 | sacrose | I look for my library and there is nothing in it, however when I load it to my computer or another computer, it easily loads the music I put on it and it will play |
| 14:17:31 | crashd | sacrose: ipod? |
| 14:17:40 | sacrose | rock box |
| 14:17:45 | sacrose | not ipod |
| 14:17:46 | crashd | no, which platform |
| 14:17:51 | crashd | as in, which player do you own |
| 14:18:05 | Jungti1234 | hehehe.. |
| 14:18:05 | sacrose | windows 9 |
| 14:18:09 | Jungti1234 | What is your player? |
| 14:18:10 | sacrose | or w/e it tells you to use and comes with |
| 14:18:12 | B4gder | is the player called "rock box" ? |
| 14:18:13 | crashd | i mean, your portable mp3 player |
| 14:18:33 | B4gder | we rockbox we do is a firmware for portable music players |
| 14:18:37 | Jungti1234 | What is your mp3 player model? |
| 14:18:38 | B4gder | the rockbox even |
| 14:18:49 | sacrose | RockBox, the 20 gig version, i couldnt tell you with out looking at the box |
| 14:18:58 | Jungti1234 | :P |
| 14:19:06 | sacrose | I'm at school right now, so I must appologise for not having sufficient information for you |
| 14:19:22 | sacrose | Do you know where I can find a list to identify from? |
| 14:19:35 | crashd | http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 14:19:37 | crashd | check the pics on thre |
| 14:19:53 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 14:19:55 | B4gder | is a better list |
| 14:20:25 | Jungti1234 | http://imgnews.naver.com/image/008/2004/10/05/2004100415485100092_1.jpg - This is 'Rock Box' |
| 14:20:29 | Jungti1234 | hahaha.. |
| 14:20:57 | crashd | O.o |
| 14:21:40 | sacrose | hmmm, I am at a delima, I will have to return later when I know what I'm takling about |
| 14:21:40 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OtherRockbox |
| 14:21:42 | sacrose | talk** |
| 14:22:00 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 14:22:25 | Jungti1234 | B4gder: ah.. :) |
| 14:22:33 | B4gder | many Rockboxes there are |
| 14:23:08 | B4gder | but there's only at showing up first on a google search! ;-) |
| 14:23:12 | B4gder | only one |
| 14:23:15 | B4gder | adsdasgrwhwehrewhewr |
| 14:23:24 | sacrose | I didn't realize that RockBox was a generalistic term for any portable high density music player |
| 14:23:32 | JdGordon | umm.. isnt there always only one showing up first for every search? |
| 14:23:44 | sacrose | I thought it was a company that produced my particular product |
| 14:23:44 | JdGordon | sacrose: its not |
| 14:23:47 | B4gder | sacrose: it isn't |
| 14:23:51 | Jungti1234 | http://www.canyoufeelthis.com/cutoutlogo.jpg - hahaha, nice logo :) |
| 14:24:10 | sacrose | I know, I was expressing my ignorance and reasoning for such Ignorance |
| 14:25:01 | B4gder | sacrose: so you are talking about the Rockbox as found on rockbox.org ? |
| 14:25:50 | linuxstb | On a different subject, does anyone know if I should be recalculating replaygain when converting from FLAC to Ogg Vorbis? |
| 14:26:13 | markun | linuxstb: at least the peak value |
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| 14:27:44 | linuxstb | Does Rockbox use the peak value? |
| 14:29:09 | markun | linuxstb: I think it does to prevent clipping |
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| 14:33:50 | linuxstb | markun: OK, thanks. |
| 14:34:08 | LinusN | the bleeding edge build isn't very fast... :-( |
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| 14:36:31 | JdGordon | :( noone is interested in my text editor |
| 14:36:38 | * | JdGordon goes to cry self to sleep.. |
| 14:36:40 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 14:37:06 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 14:46:20 | * | petur wonders if one or more of the build servers is down |
| 14:46:38 | B4gder | it appears so |
| 14:47:18 | B4gder | but it looked more puzzling than so in the server... I'll check again now in this new build |
| 14:47:19 | petur | a server count would be better than the current 'score' ;) |
| 14:47:25 | B4gder | yes |
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| 14:50:20 | Bg3r | heh |
| 14:50:24 | Bg3r | better new column :) |
| 14:50:40 | Lynx_ | what is actually the difference between the daily and the bleeding edge builds, what makes the daily special? |
| 14:50:54 | B4gder | nothing really |
| 14:51:17 | B4gder | just that they remain the same during the day |
| 14:51:31 | Lynx_ | so it's the first build of th day? |
| 14:52:03 | petur | or the last one... |
| 14:52:29 | B4gder | its built at 4AM CET, iirc |
| 14:52:50 | Lynx_ | ok |
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| 15:20:39 | safetydan | So much for PIPEX's reliability |
| 15:23:18 | preglow | ahahaha |
| 15:23:23 | preglow | reliable dsl |
| 15:23:39 | preglow | yes, that might exist, somewhere |
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| 15:24:52 | safetydan | Well it's not too bad, first outage in three months or so |
| 15:25:05 | safetydan | and only 20 minutes at that |
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| 16:14:57 | webguest36 | Paprica: I saw the calendar plugin and have a question. Is it possible to use the Rockbox vkeyboard instead of the integrated one? (for inputting non-ascii characters) |
| 16:17:07 | Paprica | mmm if is it possible to write more than one line in Rockbox vkeyboard, no problem |
| 16:19:59 | webguest36 | don't think it is |
| 16:20:44 | webguest36 | But for anyone not taking notes in English, it's pretty unusable |
| 16:21:18 | B4gder | possibly it should simply be extended to support multi-line |
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| 16:21:35 | B4gder | optionally of course, since for some uses multi-line makes no sense |
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| 16:21:48 | webguest36 | Multiline filename o_O |
| 16:22:09 | B4gder | well, it is somewhat unorthodox ;-) |
| 16:22:16 | B4gder | but I believe we support it |
| 16:22:30 | easy_east | is rocbox better than the ipod software ? |
| 16:22:46 | markun | webguest36: which language would you use? |
| 16:22:50 | B4gder | easy_east: at playing oggs, flag or gapless yes |
| 16:22:55 | B4gder | flac |
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| 16:24:31 | easy_east | hmmm |
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| 16:25:09 | easy_east | i have only mp3 .... oggs not much |
| 16:25:15 | safetydan | easy_east, and customisability |
| 16:25:17 | safetydan | and equalizer |
| 16:25:33 | safetydan | oo... and no iTunes dependency |
| 16:25:44 | easy_east | ipod software had an equalizer too |
| 16:26:11 | easy_east | yes itunes is nerving |
| 16:26:31 | safetydan | easy_east, not a five band parametric EQ |
| 16:26:47 | easy_east | ok^^ |
| 16:26:56 | gracchus | easy_east: that (breaking itunes chains), and flac+ogg playback are pretty convincing |
| 16:27:17 | easy_east | thx for the info, i willl test it |
| 16:27:37 | safetydan | Full replaygain support is always nice |
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| 17:39:33 | hydrahead | Any iPod developers here? I got a wierd error while playing a Vorbis file... |
| 17:39:54 | preglow | what error? |
| 17:40:30 | hydrahead | Undefined instruction at 003C79C |
| 17:40:40 | preglow | really now |
| 17:40:41 | hydrahead | is got stuck completley |
| 17:40:44 | preglow | sure |
| 17:40:46 | preglow | you need to reset it |
| 17:41:00 | preglow | have you build it yourself? |
| 17:41:14 | hydrahead | i did that. it works ok for now |
| 17:41:24 | hydrahead | no i got the daiky build a day ago |
| 17:41:31 | hydrahead | *daily |
| 17:43:01 | hydrahead | I'll put the latest in a minute |
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| 17:44:21 | preglow | methinks it'd be nice if the dailies bundled a map file |
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| 18:35:44 | safetydan | "did you know that a wav file can sound diffrent on diffrent parts of the H.D?" |
| 18:35:49 | safetydan | o... m... g... |
| 18:35:57 | Mikachu | is that an audiophile talking? |
| 18:36:09 | safetydan | Apparently |
| 18:36:38 | einhirn | hello to all |
| 18:36:43 | markun | hi einhirn |
| 18:36:43 | safetydan | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=408772&postcount=8 |
| 18:37:43 | Mikachu | haha |
| 18:37:43 | einhirn | I am running into some inconvinience when building rb: I seem to have to "make clean" everytime to have code changes reflect in the actual ajbrec.ajz... |
| 18:38:04 | einhirn | can anyone point out the obvious to me? |
| 18:38:12 | markun | safetydan: maybe the HD spins at a differnt speed and makes a different noise |
| 18:38:36 | safetydan | markun, I've heard people make the same claim about desktop drives. But that's a plausible theory. |
| 18:40:43 | safetydan | Still not going to affect the actual data coming off the drive though |
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| 18:44:57 | einhirn | Hmm... Since I now got working what I wanted (Delete in WPS-Context Menu) and I don't have to iterate through more "make clean, make, copy, rolo, test"-Cycles, consider my question unasked ;) |
| 18:52:10 | einhirn | But it still would be interesting why a change in 'onplay.c' isn't reflected in ajbrec.ajz after a simple 'make' or even 'make zip' even though I can see that 'onplay.c' is recompiled... |
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| 20:13:28 | amiconn | Meh. |
| 20:13:55 | amiconn | These spurious OFF events on recv1 aren't spurious at all |
| 20:14:18 | lostlogic | they're when the battery is below safe threshold set in the PCF? |
| 20:14:29 | amiconn | It's a low-voltage protection... even visible in the old schematics (!) |
| 20:14:43 | amiconn | lostlogic: recorder v1... |
| 20:14:47 | lostlogic | ooh |
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| 21:15:16 | * | preglow thinks about doing some arm libmad optimising |
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| 21:25:10 | lostlogic | gah, I just started getting data aborts on my ipv :( |
| 21:25:28 | preglow | what're you up to? |
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| 21:25:51 | lostlogic | was working on tweaking the peak meter calculations slightly |
| 21:26:13 | lostlogic | 1 instructino less per sample... except that I seem to have fecked it up |
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| 21:28:20 | preglow | have you tried profiling on arm yet? |
| 21:29:03 | lostlogic | not yet −− thinking about trying it for vorbis this evening. |
| 21:29:13 | preglow | yeah, i'd be very interested in that |
| 21:29:19 | preglow | i want to fix libmad up |
| 21:29:23 | preglow | it's quite a bit slower than i'd imagined it to be |
| 21:29:51 | preglow | i'm thinking a quick assembler version of synth_full will fix it up some, but not much |
| 21:30:29 | lostlogic | unfortunately tremor already has assembly in the places that m68k does, so I'm afraid optimizations will be harder to find |
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| 21:30:39 | preglow | yeah, it will |
| 21:31:01 | preglow | with some exceptions, though |
| 21:31:07 | preglow | like windowing |
| 21:31:13 | lostlogic | ? |
| 21:31:14 | preglow | but that should impact much |
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| 21:31:30 | preglow | shouldn't, that is |
| 21:31:40 | preglow | brb |
| 21:31:43 | lostlogic | ipod officially has much less background noise than H3x0. |
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| 21:33:14 | Veigi | Hi! i compiled an ipod 5g ui simulator in cygwin and the application crashes after the first seconds of replay. will that happen on my ipod too? |
| 21:33:38 | nudel | Is there a defacto album art patch that's likely to become official at some point? I want to design my theme with that in mind but there's at least two patches. |
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| 21:37:04 | nls | hi, I'm trying to fix up the LaTeX manual and now I need pictures of the jukeboxes, already have the archoses from the old manual and need iriver and ipod pictures |
| 21:37:27 | nls | anyone have the simulator backgrounds without the text? |
| 21:37:55 | safetydan | Veigi, the simulator has issues playing sound under windows. Sound play back works fine on the actual system |
| 21:38:11 | Veigi | thx. safetydan. |
| 21:38:34 | Veigi | @ nls what backgrounds do you need? i could do that for you. ^^ |
| 21:38:37 | lostlogic | nudel: I don't think that anyone will know for sure until it's in, and even then it is liable to change. |
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| 21:38:56 | safetydan | nudel, as far as I know there's only one patch that's in use, thought what actually ends up in CVS is anyone's guess |
| 21:39:09 | nudel | oki doki |
| 21:41:10 | Veigi | @ nls i have them all. i will send them to you if you want. ^^ |
| 21:41:51 | nls | yes that would be nice deathtoallhumans_at_gmail_dot_com :-) |
| 21:42:14 | pill | lol at the addy |
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| 21:44:44 | Veigi | on the way, nls. :-) |
| 21:45:15 | nls | thx |
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| 21:54:35 | nls | Veigi: got them but I need pictures without the text on them :( |
| 21:55:42 | lostlogic | audio works on the ipod mini 2g? installs just like ipod 3g? |
| 21:56:08 | Veigi | hrm... |
| 21:56:32 | Veigi | sry... i dont have pictures without the text. :-( |
| 21:58:08 | Veigi | hrm... will there be play-delays like the ones when i try to play a song in the ipod 5g-simulator. ^^ |
| 21:58:14 | Veigi | ? |
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| 22:00:28 | markun | Veigi: just install rockbox and try it :) |
| 22:03:35 | safetydan | Veigi, the simulator sound is very flaky under windows and nothing like the actual experience |
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| 22:06:55 | Veigi | ok. cool. cause im planning to buy me an ipod 5g and i want to install rockbox on it. i know about the battery-life-issue. can i expect at lest 6-8 hours with rockbox? are there any other big problems at the moment. i mainly want to play flac on it. would that work without problems? |
| 22:07:28 | Mikachu | i tried playing some flacs on my ipod nano, it worked fine but i apparently don't keep flacs on it usually |
| 22:08:15 | preglow | anyone saying they don't work? |
| 22:08:40 | lostlogic | preglow: you know the status of ipod mini support by chance? |
| 22:09:06 | Veigi | hrm... ok... two last questions: 1. How good is the equalizer of rockbox? 2. is there a possibility to show the custom vorbis comments of flac-files? |
| 22:09:11 | Nico_P | lostlogic: i'm trying to understand the buffering code in playback.c |
| 22:09:26 | Nico_P | buffering seems to happen mostly in audio_load_track() |
| 22:09:51 | safetydan | Veigi, what quality are you looking for in the EQ? It's a five band equalizer with two shelf and three peak filters, totally customisable. |
| 22:10:07 | lostlogic | Nico_P: your guess is as good as mine... I still haven't managed to get a good handle on the buffering. |
| 22:10:23 | Nico_P | yes it's quite hard to follow |
| 22:11:07 | Nico_P | so i should get album art before the audio is buffered and store it in the filebuf ? |
| 22:11:26 | Veigi | hrm.... i dont expect srs-wow-effects and things like that. i just want to push the sound-quality of my ipod a little bit (i heard that crappy eq of the orginal ipod-firmware...) |
| 22:11:42 | lostlogic | eq != better quality. |
| 22:13:17 | Veigi | sounds cool. :) and how about the display of vorbis comments. for example i created vorbis comments like "mood" and "feature artist". is there a way to display them or atleast browse all comments of a file? |
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| 22:14:24 | lostlogic | not at this time |
| 22:15:18 | Veigi | oh ;(. But still extremely cool. i love it. Now there is no need to wait anymore. thx guys. :) |
| 22:15:36 | jlo | preglow : some news on crossfeed ? |
| 22:16:41 | preglow | nope |
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| 22:17:05 | preglow | did you get any used opinions? |
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| 22:17:12 | preglow | i haven't had too much time for rockbox lately |
| 22:17:17 | preglow | s/used/user/ |
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| 22:18:29 | jlo | nothing from users,... despite this I improved the VST, it's now really easy to setup best parameters |
| 22:18:48 | preglow | no, i expected as much |
| 22:18:56 | preglow | we'll hear more when we implement it in rockbox |
| 22:19:08 | preglow | not everyone knows how to use vsts |
| 22:19:42 | jlo | I hope so, I also have a kind of text export for parameters compatible to your config file |
| 22:19:45 | lowlight | Veigi: I made a patch for arbitrary vorbis comments: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2616 |
| 22:20:09 | preglow | jlo: btw, have you tried using first order shelving filters and compared the result with using second order filters? |
| 22:21:33 | jlo | I'm sure first order is OK but it must be shelving, if it's easier for you..... |
| 22:21:51 | preglow | well, easier, perhaps, but most certainly faster |
| 22:22:04 | preglow | i'm just wondering if it'll sound worse |
| 22:22:37 | preglow | if it seriously impacts quality, then it's an issue, if it doesn't, then i'll use first order filters instead of wasting cpu on second order filters |
| 22:23:35 | jlo | yes do it, I'll just measure the resulting curve, record the files and compare with simulator |
| 22:26:42 | jlo | preglow : just check the VST and try the parameters , you'll tell me after. |
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| 22:28:08 | preglow | jlo: i'm in linux, can't use vsts |
| 22:28:55 | jlo | there is no winVST wrapper for Linux ? |
| 22:29:59 | preglow | no idea |
| 22:32:34 | jlo | Bye Preglow, I'll leave |
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| 22:33:20 | lostlogic | anyone running latest CVS on ipod getting undefined instruction errors or similar??? |
| 22:34:59 | gracchus | running snapshot of 2 days ago, and have not seen that |
| 22:36:08 | lostlogic | unless I'm mistaken, it's something that changed between 8amCST and 12pmCST today |
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| 22:40:06 | nighty | 'lo :) |
| 22:40:26 | nighty | anyone working on the madwifi-ng driver ? |
| 22:40:56 | Bagder | madwifi for rockbox? |
| 22:41:09 | Bagder | I think we have a bit left before we need that! :-) |
| 22:41:15 | nighty | madwifi for anything :;) |
| 22:41:24 | nighty | madwifi is madiwifi :) |
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| 22:41:28 | nighty | I guess |
| 22:41:31 | nighty | am i wrong , |
| 22:41:35 | nighty | ? |
| 22:41:53 | nighty | s/madiwifi/madwifi |
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| 23:04:08 | jocke1s | hey all, how do I access my ipod from linux. It worked yesterday but today its kinda not :( |
| 23:04:47 | muesli- | XavierGr ? |
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| 23:19:56 | Nico_P | lostlogic: i think i got it working |
| 23:20:02 | lostlogic | Nico_P: kickass! |
| 23:20:26 | Nico_P | not sure it's very correct, and there are some pointer warnings |
| 23:20:34 | Nico_P | you want to see ? |
| 23:20:38 | Nico_P | i got to go to bed soon |
| 23:21:00 | lostlogic | post it on flyspray for comments? I'll read it over if you want to email it to me |
| 23:21:12 | gracchus | for an arm toolchain using gcc 4.0.2, what version of gdb is recommended? |
| 23:21:30 | gracchus | 6.1.1 doesn't compile cleanly, and just wondering before looking further |
| 23:21:53 | Bagder | gracchus: we have no particular support for gdb on target anyway, unless you're on iFP7x0 port mode |
| 23:22:27 | Nico_P | i'll try to clean it a bit and i'll post it on flyspray |
| 23:22:44 | gracchus | Bagder: oh ok, thanks −− I was just following the wiki xcompiler page and dotting my i's |
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| 23:25:39 | Bagder | gracchus: we mostly gdb things in the simulator if we need to debug that way |
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| 23:25:49 | Bagder | and then you use the native gdb of course |
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| 23:26:57 | vektek | hi guys. I'm looking to get replacement earphones can you recommend any? |
| 23:28:07 | dpassen1 | What type are you looking for? |
| 23:28:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | vektek: It would sorta depend on your price range, and what sort (in ear, "portable" etc) |
| 23:28:16 | vektek | in ear |
| 23:28:50 | dpassen1 | canalphones? Sennheiser CX-300 come highly recommended for the price. |
| 23:29:04 | vektek | not cheap but not excessively expensive |
| 23:30:45 | nudel | the Shure in-ear ones are meant to be fantastic but they range in price from expensive to insane and I couldn't really tell where it was worth drawing the line... currently using some huge noise cancelling sennheisers which are great but, well, huge |
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| 23:30:55 | dpassen1 | I have Shure e2c's |
| 23:31:13 | nudel | do you think they're worth it? |
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| 23:31:26 | Mikachu | http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/in-ear-monitor/ultimate-ears-ue10-pro.php :P |
| 23:31:33 | dpassen1 | I got them for ~60 USD and for that, yes. |
| 23:31:43 | nudel | very good price |
| 23:31:46 | dpassen1 | My friend has a pair of e4c's, they are fantastic. |
| 23:31:59 | BHSPitLappy2 | rockbox = awesome :D |
| 23:31:59 | nudel | can you tell the difference? |
| 23:32:07 | BHSPitLappy2 | wb, JdGordon |
| 23:32:13 | | Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-115-4.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:32:24 | dpassen1 | Between e2c and e4c, yes, though I will say immediately I did no blind testing. |
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| 23:33:23 | herz42 | lostlogic: you wanted a guy with data aborts/etc. on ipod −− here I am |
| 23:33:49 | ModernExecutive | hi. any luck with the h300 us firmware bootloader? |
| 23:34:01 | lostlogic | herz42: does it happen on all playlists, or only some playlists? |
| 23:34:11 | lostlogic | herz42: still happening consistently? |
| 23:34:12 | herz42 | although, I got them already since 2 days ago. |
| 23:34:32 | herz42 | I know for one song that makes it definitely crash... |
| 23:34:41 | herz42 | probably there are others... |
| 23:34:51 | lostlogic | herz42: hmm... I wonder if it was that specific song and now I don't remember what song it was. |
| 23:34:59 | lostlogic | what codec is the song that you know crashes it? |
| 23:35:07 | herz42 | all my stuff is mp3 |
| 23:37:20 | Nico_P | lostlogic: updated |
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| 23:37:31 | herz42 | With the latest cvs code, the panic screen has somhow less contrast. So it's hard to read the numbers. |
| 23:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | ModernExecutive: Logically speaking, there's not very much benefit to one anyway. The primary feature people go back to the retail firmware for is video. It seems that if someone wanted to use DRMed music at all, they'd want to mix it in with their non-drmed music, which makes Rockbox non-essential. I'm guessing that it's still an object of interest, but from that perspective it doesn't seem to me like it'd be too high of a prior |
| 23:37:59 | ModernExecutive | got it |
| 23:38:03 | ModernExecutive | thank you paul |
| 23:38:18 | Nico_P | there are a few warnings, but they mostly are easy to fix (related to declaration of the functions i added) |
| 23:38:37 | Nico_P | also there is one pointer warning, which i don't know how to fix myself |
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| 23:38:58 | ModernExecutive | just was curious if there had been a new attempt that someone wanted a guinea pig for |
| 23:39:09 | lostlogic | Nico_P: cool, I'm sure I or someone else will get a look at it soon, I'll try to this evening after work. |
| 23:39:17 | ModernExecutive | i had another h300 to offer up |
| 23:39:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | ModernExecutive: I mean, I'm *sure* there's interest in getting it done at some point, for completion's sake, but *my* guess is that even when there is US firmware to work with, it's going to be really *really* hard to keep it from breaking the DRM (Unless the very first attempt doesn't break it) because as far as I know, once the DRM is broken it can't be restored, so you'd need a clean H300 for *every* test. :( |
| 23:39:47 | Nico_P | lostlogic: i'm going to bed now but please add your comments/modifications on flyspray :) |
| 23:40:18 | Nico_P | i'll be happy to read them tomorrow |
| 23:40:38 | ModernExecutive | yeah. my theory was that the drm key was stuck somewhere in the EPROM −− maybe at the end of where the US firmware resides |
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| 23:41:16 | herz42 | Yesterday I did some stack tracing, but only found some addresses of yield(), dsp_process(),... and a large number of zeros (about 6000) before the end of the stack. Any Idea what could actually consume that much stack space? |
| 23:41:44 | ModernExecutive | and that flashing the international overwrote it. so i was hoping that someone could do an h300 eprom dump to see where/how the firmware is stored and if there's anything funny stuck before or after the firmware blocks |
| 23:41:46 | JdGordon | hey BHSPitLappy |
| 23:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | ModernExecutive: Yeah, to prevent it from being broken, it'd have to be located with absolute certainty in advance. |
| 23:42:03 | lostlogic | herz42: I'm guessing something's corrupting the stack pointer or similar so it's not actually anywhere near the right place |
| 23:42:50 | Bagder | ModernExecutive: the firmware is in flash, not eeprom |
| 23:43:10 | ModernExecutive | sorry |
| 23:43:11 | herz42 | but it's at least within the codec_stack |
| 23:43:14 | ModernExecutive | my mistake |
| 23:43:15 | Bagder | not that it matters much |
| 23:43:53 | BHSPitLappy | has anyone mentioned attempting an NES emulator? |
| 23:43:59 | Bagder | many |
| 23:44:13 | Bagder | at least requesting someone else to attempt it |
| 23:44:19 | BHSPitLappy | has any *programmer* mentioned attempting an NES emulator :P |
| 23:44:24 | Bagder | hell no |
| 23:44:29 | dpassen1 | BHSPitLappy: is the iPod your first Rockboxed DAP? |
| 23:44:31 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, that's the trend ;) |
| 23:44:46 | ModernExecutive | thanks for your indulgence |
| 23:44:47 | BHSPitLappy | I was just wondering if it had been considered, that's all |
| 23:44:49 | ModernExecutive | later |
| 23:44:49 | BHSPitLappy | dpassen1: huh |
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| 23:45:00 | dpassen1 | You just got an iPod, right? |
| 23:45:01 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
| 23:45:02 | BHSPitLappy | yes |
| 23:45:08 | BHSPitLappy | I just got a 5G |
| 23:45:13 | BHSPitLappy | I've been a nano/rockbox user. |
| 23:45:22 | dpassen1 | Oh, I'm looking for a comparison picture between a 5G and an iAudio x5 |
| 23:45:26 | dpassen1 | Planning my next purchase |
| 23:45:30 | BHSPitLappy | umm |
| 23:45:33 | BHSPitLappy | google photos? |
| 23:45:39 | BHSPitLappy | or go to a store? |
| 23:45:48 | bluey | i don't like the X5, but it has a radio .. |
| 23:45:52 | BHSPitLappy | meh |
| 23:45:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I've *mentioned* an NES emulator, and I'm technically a programmer, but I'm not a programmer who would *port* an NES emulator. :-P |
| 23:46:07 | BHSPitLappy | the radio sucks, especially if you already have an mp3 player on you. |
| 23:46:18 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: heh |
| 23:46:28 | bluey | well yes, but sometimes i just want to listen to something else |
| 23:46:34 | BHSPitLappy | I'm thinking about taking a peek at the rockboy key config code |
| 23:46:42 | BHSPitLappy | in hopes that I'll understand some of it |
| 23:46:44 | bluey | some Scatch Show`s in radio |
| 23:46:46 | Bagder | I think the x5 has a nice form factor |
| 23:46:50 | bluey | or whatever |
| 23:46:56 | BHSPitLappy | bluey: podcasts? |
| 23:47:07 | BHSPitLappy | I have streaming internet radio on my PSP :D |
| 23:47:11 | bluey | lol don't compare podcast with a real radio |
| 23:47:25 | BHSPitLappy | bluey: I just mean it's "something else" |
| 23:47:29 | Shadowarrior13 | Thank god for pspradio on 2.0 :P |
| 23:47:38 | BHSPitLappy | amen |
| 23:47:44 | BHSPitLappy | thanks *fanjita |
| 23:47:52 | Shadowarrior13 | <3 Fanjita |
| 23:47:53 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
| 23:48:05 | Shadowarrior13 | My screen is broken right now though... |
| 23:48:09 | BHSPitLappy | </3 #fanjita -.- |
| 23:48:13 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 23:48:14 | BHSPitLappy | ouch. |
| 23:48:23 | bluey | mhh just bought something on ebay, paid it and already forgot forwhat mhhhh |
| 23:48:31 | BHSPitLappy | someone should compile rockbox for PSP, for the hell of it :P: |
| 23:48:49 | BHSPitLappy | s/compile/"make it work && compile"/ |
| 23:48:49 | Shadowarrior13 | lmfao |
| 23:48:50 | BHSPitLappy | :/ |
| 23:48:59 | Shadowarrior13 | That would be so awesome XD |
| 23:50:04 | BHSPitLappy | I have photos of podzilla2 on my psp, at its resolution :P |
| 23:51:25 | youngcerea1 | BHSPitLappy: I have an powerbook but its the same nobody interest that ;) |
| 23:51:40 | BHSPitLappy | isn't that a laptop? |
| 23:51:53 | youngcerea1 | BHSPitLappy: no |
| 23:51:59 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
| 23:52:05 | youngcerea1 | its a littlebit Apple more |
| 23:52:08 | bluey | it`s the new bestseller from Dan Brown |
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| 23:52:20 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 23:52:52 | youngcerea1 | BHSPitLappy: sorry must do that joke ;) |
| 23:54:17 | youngcerea1 | i have a frind that ever came when we talk about microprocessors he sad my blabla computer have more power it's real but at this mont fuck of ;) |
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| 23:55:27 | BHSPitLappy | mmhmm... |
| 23:55:28 | XavierGr | muesli: you called? |
| 23:55:39 | muesli- | how many strophes contains greeks hymn? |
| 23:55:44 | youngcerea1 | BHSPitLappy: and this frind got me nerv ahh . also sorry . |
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| 23:57:17 | lostlogic | anyone interested in testing a fairly small patch to the peakmeter that's an attempt to improve responsiveness and reduce CPU load from using the peak meter? |
| 23:57:51 | youngcerea1 | not at the moment later i can do |
| 23:58:25 | youngcerea1 | i work self on a idear |
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