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#rockbox log for 2006-03-10

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00:18:27amiconnpetur: Resetting the peak values only on read will give a false first reading after some period without reading peaks
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00:40:35crashdnn preglow
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01:05:13Paul_The_NerdSo, next rockbox target: ?
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01:07:27muesli__stinky tunes? :o
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01:14:32nudelPaul_The_Nerd: re my mid-track gaps thing this morning, the EQ was indeed still on. after turning it off everything was fine all day
01:17:51Paul_The_Nerdnudel: Alright, so right now it's pretty much a matter of the processor not being able to decode fully realtime with the EQ on in all cases. I hear using a simpler WPS can help playback some.
01:18:19nudelmy stuff's almost done converting to ogg
01:18:32nudelbut mp3 is still an important codec of course, even if i can bypass it myself :)
01:19:02nudeli was wondering today whether it uses more power to run one CPU at full speed and the other "off" (is it really off?) or to run both CPUs at low speed
01:19:05markunnudel: what did you convert to ogg?
01:19:29nudelnot doing mp3->ogg transcoding, don't worry :)
01:19:42Paul_The_Nerdnudel: Yeah, it's really just the fact that optimizing codecs tends to come *after* getting everything working, unless someone shows up and volunteers. ;-)
01:20:09nudelis it the MAD decoder that's used for mp3?
01:20:27Paul_The_Nerdnudel: As for the Full/Off vs [whatever's necessary for decoding] / [the minimum that allows fullspeed in menus, etc], I don't believe a tests' been done on that.
01:21:02nudelquite a pain to test no doubt
01:21:07markunnudel: I think running at a lower speed would be a bit more efficient because the switching takes up a little time, but it would be hard to get the CPU speed exactly right for a particular codec/bitrate combination
01:21:16nudeland that's assuming the kernel can even cope with two CPUs at the moment?
01:21:35lostlogicwe have no multi-cpu support in rockbox at this time.
01:21:57markunnudel: forget what I said, didn't read it well
01:22:53nudeli guess with rockbox you can simply assign different threads to each CPU rather than have to worry about a fully blown load balancing algorithm. then presumably it's about making sure the mutexes and queues work across CPUs
01:23:08nudelbut i'm still readin gup on this stuff so might be talking poo-poo :)
01:23:26lostlogicnudel: that's basically the think −− one CPU for decoding, the other for anything else
01:24:20nudeli wish i had more spare time (i.e. didn't have to do my day job :)), i get all excited about stuff i could work on but there's only so much you can do at the weekend (and i've already got a backlog of coding for another home project)
01:24:39nudeli'll finish my theme this weekend at least :)
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01:25:48BHSPitLappy2Paul_The_Nerd: sorry for being out of the loop, but how is rockdoom as far as iPods are concerned?
01:27:24Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy2: Well, I can play it on my Nano without problem.
01:27:50Paul_The_NerdI mean, other than wishing the controls were better, but that's something I could fix if I just weren't so lazy about it. ;-)
01:28:16 Quit ashridah ("uni")
01:28:59BHSPitLappy2Paul_The_Nerd: do you know if it runs on 5G?
01:30:29Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy2: I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't (assuming the graphics scaling is able to use that resolution, I don't really know), but I don't know if anyone's tested it.
01:31:09BHSPitLappy2it's not in CVS, right?
01:31:38*BHSPitLappy2 shuts up and looks for a wiki page
01:31:39linuxstbYes, it works on the 5g.
01:31:41Paul_The_NerdIt still has some work to do before it's CVS ready, if I understand
01:32:11Paul_The_NerdI don't think the patch yet fits in the plugin buffer on iPod, and it still compiles with quite a few warnings for ARM. I think. I don't remember seeing a new version.
01:33:24nudelis the ipod the first arm-cpu platform that rockbox has been ported to?
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01:33:48linuxstbnudel: Yes.
01:34:07BHSPitLappy(but possible ;))
01:34:07nudelimpressive it works so well so soon!
01:34:24Paul_The_NerdThere's an in-progress(ish) one to another ARM platform though
01:34:47BHSPitLappyhyarion's port was/is an awesome feat indeed
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01:36:44*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
01:37:00Paul_The_Nerd"well im not a nerd, i cant get command prompt thingy to work"
01:37:12BHSPitLappywhere's that from
01:37:37Paul_The_NerdI honestly was *trying* to help, but I think I'm about to give up.
01:39:12linuxstbAnd it is still the only one.
01:39:13linuxstbSorry, it runs on the iriver iFP7xx as well now.
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01:39:54kclafi mean if he cant type cmds at prompt he doesnt need rockbox
01:41:37linuxstbThere must be a "beginners' guide to the Windows command prompt" out there somewhere.
01:48:34kclafjosh_ : around ?
01:49:54josh_yes, why?
01:51:39josh_ACK! TOO MANY JOSHES!
01:51:47josh_apparently I got confused with a "joshPod"
01:51:49BHSPitMonkeyPaul_The_Nerd: is rockdoom documented/homepage'd anywhere?
01:51:50kclafim looking for the guy that
01:51:57josh_and then there's joshk in the iPL channel, and . . .
01:52:24kclafim looking for the guy that did jooshpod theme yea, heh
01:53:41BHSPitMonkeyjosh_: the log files the search turned up don't really count as actual documentation to me, if you find something better please let me know. has all the docs
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01:55:54BHSPitMonkeyjosh_: google "rockdoom" only seems to turn up IRC logs.
01:56:50josh_oh wait
01:56:54josh_I misread your question
01:57:03josh_I thought it was "is rockbox documented/homepage'd anywhere"
01:57:06*josh_ smacks self on head
01:57:39BHSPitMonkeyjosh_: I'm not THAT thick :P
01:58:01BHSPitMonkeyI've been a satisfied rb user for some time now
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02:07:15BHSPitMonkeylinuxstb: is rockdoom producing sound?
02:10:12midkayunless you need an answer from him, "yes".. gunfire at the least
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02:35:42lostlogicIn "LostLogic likes to cut it close" news, flying to devcon 1 week from today... my passport just came in the mail :)
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02:36:45midkaylostlogic, haha - cool :)
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02:50:44yeftvery impressed by rockbox for the ipod
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02:52:20yeftwonder when midkay will come around..
02:52:29midkayyeft, now!
02:52:51midkayand. what a loser you are. i can't believe this.
02:52:57midkaywell. i can actually. i have one now too.
02:53:30yeftoh man. i quit on archos..
02:53:41yeftsoldering came off in my JB6000 and FM20
02:53:50yefti just wasnt about to make that investment again..
02:54:00yeftplus didnt hurt in the decision
02:54:07midkayyou tried/will try it?
02:54:19yeftrockbox ipod?
02:54:21yeftor freeipods
02:54:31yeftdid freeipods
02:54:37midkaygot one?
02:54:39yeftand too
02:54:43yeft2 actually
02:54:49yeftsold them both to get the video one
02:54:49midkaycool, wow - what did you have to do?
02:54:56yeftits a bitch
02:55:14yeftyou have to get people to sign up for shit online .. with a credit card.. thats the part that scares most people
02:55:25yeftthey used to have a lot of free offerss. but have since cracked down
02:56:44yeftso.. wow ipod rockbox. thats like when rockbox did video (so crazy). lot of development on it?
02:57:10midkayyes, a considerable amount, it runs well :)
02:57:32yeftwell enough to replace original firmware?
02:57:51midkaydepends on your needs
02:58:27yeftlistening to music of course.
02:59:08midkayif that's all.. perhaps. :) ipod plays mp3, ogg, flac, some aac, wav.. with rockbox.. crossfading.. EQ that causes MP3 to stutter but works fine with flac at least..
02:59:15midkaygot to go eat - bbl
03:04:32yeftthats what i was actually lookin for. flac. just got a ton of live shows and i feel so bad if i make them mp3 or aac.
03:04:35yeftsee ya
03:15:13lostlogicI think that the click wheel wants a primitive form of acceleration, who's with me?
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03:37:30lostlogicany ipod 5g useres want to see how they feel about some basic acceleration implementation?
03:38:00Shadowarrior13What about it?
03:38:14lostlogicso that it's harder to _start_ moving, but accelerates as you keep moving in the same direction
03:38:29Shadowarrior13Meh, the wheel's pretty nice as it is.
03:39:34yeft-bomblostlogic: like apple does?
03:39:44lostlogicyeft-bomb: I have never used apple's firmware
03:39:55lostlogicyeft-bomb: what does apple's acceleration feel like
03:40:16yeft-bombyeah apple does acceleration. makes sense to me.. especially with like 800 songs
03:40:36yeft-bombits real nice.
03:40:39yeft-bomb800 artists*
03:41:06lostlogicyeft-bomb: what does it feel like though? mine's pretty simple, but I like it for playing bejewled
03:43:06yeft-bombi'm not sure how to describe the feel
03:43:09yeft-bombit accelerates
03:43:11yeft-bombfeels natural
03:43:37lostlogicdo you run rockbox on your ipod5g? Do you build from source?
03:43:57yeft-bombno. so no.
03:44:09lostlogicheh ok
03:44:18lostlogicwhy on earth not?
03:44:25yeft-bombi was just researchin how to get flac on my ipod. and found out rockbox did ipod now (had it on an JB6000 and FM20
03:44:32yeft-bombbecause i learned about it like 2 hours ago :)
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03:45:06lostlogic*sigh* we're going to need to get the coprocessor up and running to do good clean acceleration with audio playing without causing issues.
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03:48:36yeft-bombi'll use rockbox once its a bit more stable i think.
03:48:38yeft-bombi live on my ipod
03:49:05Shadowarrior13Anyone here familiar with ipodloader2?
03:49:05yeft-bombi like the wps theming
03:52:29lostlogicyeft-bomb: hehe, I live by DAP as well... only downsides to rockbox are lesser battery life and no DRM (If you use that) IMO.
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03:58:01yeft-bomblostlogic: give me a week or so to convince myself i dont want to be trapped in apples firmware forever
04:00:30lostlogicyeft-bomb: :) that's why I never even used apple's firmware at all :)
04:07:30yeft-bombtheres a good read
04:08:00lostlogicep0ch: ping?
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04:34:07imphasingHas anyone done a battery test on a 5G ipod?
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04:57:16StreetSmartAnyone using the ipl and rockbox?
04:57:25Shadowarrior13I R
04:57:47BHSPitLappyI R 2!
04:58:04BHSPitLappyimphasing: is that a benchmark?
04:58:14StreetSmartRockbox themes look REALLY bad.
04:58:25Shadowarrior13Yes, yes they do.
04:58:26BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: then you don't know how to do it properly.
04:58:32BHSPitLappyI love how mine looks
04:58:40StreetSmartDo you have any pictures?
04:58:46BHSPitLappyI have a backdrop
04:59:00StreetSmartNo i ment. Of how your iPod looks?
04:59:36StreetSmartI tried to install the theme that looks like the iPod orignam theme. but only the font changed. And I got some sort of backdrop with the apple logo.
04:59:57BHSPitLappywhy would you want that?
05:00:04StreetSmartWhy not?
05:00:07StreetSmartits the only good theme there.
05:00:27Shadowarrior13I haven't even booted rockbox since I got ipl...
05:00:33StreetSmartAre there any tutorials on how to make it look any better?
05:00:34BHSPitLappyshame. :)
05:00:45BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: what exactly do you wish to change?
05:01:02StreetSmartWell I want some graphics.
05:01:09StreetSmartI want a title bar
05:01:22StreetSmartand that didnt seem to come up with the theme i just installed.
05:01:30BHSPitLappyI don't think rockbox will do that, anyway.
05:01:37BHSPitLappyyou'll need to code it in.
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05:02:10StreetSmartThat shows a title bar.
05:02:19StreetSmartWith a grad and everything.
05:05:07BHSPitLappythen, use it?
05:05:23BHSPitLappyand that title bar doesn't change with the menus, you know that right...
05:05:36StreetSmartJust the "now playing?"
05:05:43BHSPitLappythat's just a WPS backdrop, a big bitmap with "Now Playing" in it
05:05:55BHSPitLappythat's a wps gallery
05:06:04BHSPitLappythose are all for the While Playing Screen
05:06:08BHSPitLappyseparate from menus
05:06:23StreetSmartshit son.
05:06:33StreetSmartWere can i get themes for the main menu?
05:06:34Shadowarrior13That's a big "Oh"
05:06:40BHSPitLappyyou set a menu background just by picking a bmp file, holding down, and setting as backdrop
05:06:51BHSPitLappychange font by choosing a font from the list...
05:07:03BHSPitLappyand change foreground/background colors from the settings as well.
05:07:33StreetSmartNo title bars eh?
05:07:44StreetSmartbecause hell. the title bar for rockbox is hardly visable.
05:08:59StreetSmartSo whats the best font for rockbox?
05:09:54BHSPitLappythat's the point of it... it doesn't need to waste a lot of space.
05:10:03BHSPitLappycustomize if it you don't like it.
05:10:09BHSPitLappyand that last question was stupid.
05:10:33StreetSmartlol it wasnt stupid.
05:10:42StreetSmartThere are many fonts. but im asking which one is the nicesst.
05:10:52StreetSmartsome are pixelated.
05:10:54StreetSmartsome are to small
05:10:58StreetSmartsome are to large.
05:12:28StreetSmartWell i downloaded all of the fonts. now its just a matter of scrolling threw them all.
05:13:40StreetSmarthaha. I love it how NO one talks about were to get rockboy games.
05:14:01Shadowarrior13Because it's common knowledge :P
05:14:03midkayStreetSmart, um.
05:14:18StreetSmartlol. I know but theres alwayes someone who asks.
05:14:22StreetSmartAnd everyone just.. doesnt say.
05:15:29StreetSmartwhich version of supermario do you guys like the best?
05:16:09midkayStreetSmart, there's _one_ "nicest" font?.. *sighs* then, try tiny-prop-5 - it's definitely the best if there is one
05:16:23midkayand, StreetSmart - downloading commercial games isn't legal.
05:17:33midkayStreetSmart, so why does it amuse you when nobody pastes links to them all over?
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05:18:12StreetSmartBecause we all know that we have them. But just no one shares them because its "illegal"
05:18:35StreetSmartIts ironic. Everyones willing to download them and play them illegally. But yet no one wants to share them becauase morally thats wrong?
05:18:58Shadowarrior13They don't share them because it's illegal :P
05:19:15midkayStreetSmart, share them if you want, by all means - this channel is logged, by the way..
05:19:53StreetSmartIts like that fine line of morality.
05:20:00midkayStreetSmart, but more than anything else it's that most of us who would want "rockboy games" have a bit of common sense to google, say, "gameboy roms"..
05:22:35BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: sharing copyright material is what's gonna get you sued out your ass, not so much downloading it
05:23:01StreetSmartTrue. But giving a site that has the games?
05:23:07StreetSmartWont get you into much trouble.
05:23:59midkayStreetSmart, "much" trouble?
05:24:11BHSPitLappyit will get you banned from the forums, at least.
05:25:03midkayand most likely from the irc channel.... heeyyyy, now that you mention it, feel free to break the mold and link away..
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05:27:22StreetSmartIts just interesting is all im saying.
05:27:35StreetSmartThat people see a difference between using and sharing.
05:27:51StreetSmartOh wait. That difference is based on if THEY will get banned from the forums/irc channel.
05:28:00StreetSmartSo then they are ultimatly being selfish.
05:28:04StreetSmartI see how it all works now.
05:28:13StreetSmartIm going to start thinking about my self more now that I think about it.
05:28:21midkayStreetSmart, you don't? sharing with friends is one thing.. sharing with 97 users including a few channel admins is quite another.
05:29:15midkayStreetSmart, if you think it's selfish not to share (by assuming people have some basic common sense) - please. _SHARE_.
05:29:20StreetSmartWell. Isnt it illegal to change the firmware on an ipod without apples concent?
05:29:37StreetSmartyet millions of people do it. and millions of people share.
05:29:47BHSPitLappyoh... no, it is NOT illegal to do that.
05:29:48BHSPitLappyyou dumbass.
05:30:18midkayStreetSmart, no, it is not. and millions? huh? how naive are you?
05:30:56midkayStreetSmart, people installing rockbox aren't "changers of firmware".
05:31:17midkaynor are there _nearly_ "millions" doing it...
05:31:17BHSPitLappyand anything I do to MY iPod certainly isn't in violation of any law.
05:31:25BHSPitLappysince rockbox is free software.
05:31:39BHSPitLappythere are surely millions of leeches
05:31:49midkayBHSPitLappy, ha, millions?
05:32:13StreetSmartPeople have released hacked versions of the ipload updater.
05:32:14BHSPitLappyI'd say at least 80% of people at my school have downloaded a song illegally...
05:32:18StreetSmartwhich is illegal.
05:32:24BHSPitLappywhat's the school-aged american population?
05:32:28StreetSmartAnd yes. A fair bit of people use it.
05:32:50BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: distributing copyright software without permission is illegal, duh.
05:32:59midkayStreetSmart, a "fair bit" - how sophisticated.. you really believe that millions of people "use it"?
05:33:19StreetSmartOkay. so if you saw something really cool done with the apple updater. that was posted on some site. I bet you wouldnt hesitate to download it and try it out.
05:33:44midkayStreetSmart, that's.. not illegal..
05:33:49BHSPitLappypeople don't do that.
05:33:57BHSPitLappypeople post iPodWizard themes.
05:34:19BHSPitLappyI honestly haven't seen a single modified updater being distributed
05:34:31StreetSmartin january of 2005 apple broke its 10 million unit marker.
05:34:44BHSPitLappy(I have seen some backed-up older versions, but that's different)
05:34:51StreetSmart3.5 million of which were in the last three months leading up to january.
05:34:52midkayStreetSmart, so you think 1/5 of ipod users use rockbox?
05:35:09StreetSmartNow your seriously going to tell me that not alot of people modify their ipod?
05:35:19BHSPitLappythat's exactly the way it is.
05:35:31midkayStreetSmart, now "Your" seriously going to tell me you think one in FIVE people use rockbox?
05:35:34BHSPitLappyI'd say 90% have never had anything done to them but playing media normally.
05:35:56BHSPitLappybased on how well I know the general iPod consumer...
05:36:33BHSPitLappyit's almost like saying linux PCs outnumber windows PCs
05:37:07midkayperfect analogy :)
05:37:29StreetSmartI just think its stupid that people put a line on how far they pirate stuff.
05:37:52StreetSmartyoull steal movies, games, music, software. even fucking books.
05:38:01midkayStreetSmart, sure, people just do that.
05:38:04StreetSmartYet NO one seems to want to share.
05:38:25midkayStreetSmart, putting them all over the place - especially places that have your names all over - may not be the best idea.
05:38:58StreetSmartim not saynig that you literally have to go out and upload all your music.
05:39:04StreetSmartBut its not illegal to give someone a link.
05:39:12qwmStreetSmart: you're even more stupid than Lappy.
05:39:56midkayStreetSmart, why not "give us links", then?
05:40:01StreetSmartOf course, now people have to insult other people to make them selfs feel a little bit better.
05:40:03StreetSmartBut thats okay.
05:40:08StreetSmartIts human nature.
05:40:43midkayStreetSmart, around you, _nobody_ needs to do anything to feel better about themselves.. ;)
05:42:12StreetSmartOf course not.
05:42:13BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: it's perfectly okay to discuss copyright violating practices... on efnet, or the pirate but NOT in GPL projects like rockbox
05:42:33StreetSmartim not saying that im going to give anything or take anything.
05:42:51StreetSmartim simple saying how strange it is, the way humans behave when it comes to pirating information.
05:42:51BHSPitLappyyou just think it's funny that people follow forum rules?
05:43:00BHSPitLappyI think it's HILARIOUS.
05:43:42BHSPitLappyI crack up every time someone joins this room and DOESN'T start flooding, or spamming
05:44:11StreetSmartmy point is just flying over your head. is all.
05:44:12BHSPitLappyI can't help but let out a titter when I see someone pull over for a cop instead of speeding away.
05:44:31BHSPitLappyactually, I think I felt something around my knee.
05:44:42BHSPitLappyfelt pretty dull, though
05:44:47midkayStreetSmart, if you really think that sharing illegal and copyrighted material is okay, and rockbox is "ugly", and you want to know the "best font" because there are "so many".. i really don't think you're in the right place. try
05:45:06StreetSmartWow. The limited amount of people that can have a serious conversation in the world is just retarded now.
05:45:16BHSPitLappyhow odd that I can agree with midkay on occasion...
05:45:35BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: I completely agree.
05:45:43StreetSmartof course you do.
05:45:51*BHSPitLappy longs for someone else to start talking...
05:45:57midkayBHSPitLappy, back at you - i guess senseless idiots unite the world..
05:45:57qwmwhat a fucking twit you are StreetSmart
05:46:13BHSPitLappynah, they're not senseless... they still have their street smarts :P
05:46:19StreetSmartof course qwm. Im the twit.
05:46:22midkayBHSPitLappy, haha.
05:46:34midkayUr the twit?
05:46:45BHSPitLappyya, hes the twit
05:47:00StreetSmartqwm comes into the conversation sharing nothing more then a rediclious comment.
05:47:04midkayomg like no way. lol
05:47:11BHSPitLappylets stop haveing punctuashion and spilling
05:47:16StreetSmartBut yet. Thats the capacity of his brain.
05:47:27qwmStreetSmart: better than making stupid and misspelled comments!
05:47:28*BHSPitLappy says "rediclious" out loud
05:47:46StreetSmartqwm. because spelling matters more then logic?
05:48:04StreetSmartEnglish isnt my first language.
05:48:05qwmyes, spelling matters far more then logic!
05:48:14midkayStreetSmart, i'd really stick to what i assume your nick implies that you have, do not lose that - because then you'd have nothing.
05:48:32BHSPitLappyStreetSmart: you worrying about either of those aspects is like a homeless man worrying about balancing his checkbook.
05:49:05StreetSmartI dont understand were intellegence comes into play here.
05:49:31imphasingWhoa, FLAC decoding is GREAT with rockbox now..
05:49:36imphasingGreat work.
05:49:49BHSPitLappythree cheers for imphasing!
05:50:04midkayomfg. actual, intelligible conversation. *runs away*
05:50:33imphasingIt says my ipod will run for 8 hours..I wonder if that's true
05:50:46BHSPitLappymine doesn't even in retailos.
05:51:40imphasingFLAC is my favorite codec...maybe I should move all my music to it..
05:52:13qwmStreetSmart: did you back to the streets where you belong?
05:52:32qwmBHSPitLappy: btw, do you like old horror films?
05:52:38StreetSmartDid I back to the streets where I belong?
05:52:44StreetSmartIm not understanding that.
05:52:57qwmread between the words!
05:54:29StreetSmartAll I see is %20 between the lines qwm
05:57:32qwmsigh. i'm out of wits, you cocksucking motherfucker.
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06:04:55lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: you have a nano, right? nano has same button driver as 5g?
06:05:37BHSPitMonkeyPaul_The_Nerd: what's up?
06:07:32Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: If the 5G and 4G are the same, then I'm pretty sure yes.
06:08:03lostlogic <−− wheel acceleration if you're interested in testing / feeding back
06:08:17Paul_The_NerdI will test it in about 5 minutes
06:08:25Paul_The_NerdI'm still flooding the forums
06:09:11lostlogichaha, I'm off to bed, post in there if you have comments on it.
06:09:31Paul_The_NerdSure thing
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06:13:42BHSPitMonkeyPaul_The_Nerd: can I ask where any information for rockdoom on iPod is (if any)?
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06:14:53Paul_The_NerdBHSPitMonkey: Simply put, just apply the patch on the tracker. That'll be 90% of the work for you. Then change config-ipodblah.h (whatever your model is) in /firmware/export/, find the line for the PLUGIN_BUFFER and change the 0x80000 to 0xA00000, and build. That should be it. (Well, apply the patch, and download the .zip for the /apps/plugins/doom folder)
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06:16:05Paul_The_NerdOne extra change needs to be made if you want to use it on Nano, because it's in the same conditional that compiles Rockboy (which doesn't build for nano)
06:17:04BHSPitMonkeynah, I have a 5G now
06:17:27Paul_The_NerdI remember you mentioning that.
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06:30:18Paul_The_Nerdnote to self: do not test patches for scrollwheel acceleration when other patches currently installed cause the UI to move molasses-slow.
06:43:41BHSPitMonkeyPaul_The_Nerd: well, it turns out I just got iDoom working... :P
06:44:16Paul_The_NerdWell, I hear iDoom is better still anyway
06:50:32BHSPitMonkeythough it's not nearly as simple as rockdoom when it comes to wads
06:50:50Paul_The_NerdAnd I'm sure rockdoom will improve.
06:51:46midkaybetter in what way?
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06:55:09Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I've heard you can actually quit it.
06:55:22midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha :) hmm..
06:56:03midkaypodzilla2 is really slow though, makes me wonder about how well doom would run
07:02:53BHSPitLappyon what??
07:03:01BHSPitLappyand podzilla2 != doom
07:03:31BHSPitLappypz2 (currently) uses sdl, while iDoom streams direct to the lcd, with the opts too
07:03:51BHSPitLappyI just played idoom on my 5g for a few minutes
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07:09:24midkayBHSPitLappy, how's it run?
07:09:58midkayBHSPitLappy, sigh, could you send me a copy if you have one? i've been trying to compile pz2 to no avail for a while over the past few days
07:10:57BHSPitLappymidkay: just use nightlies?
07:11:07BHSPitLappywhat's wrong with your builds?
07:11:09midkayBHSPitLappy, there are nightlies of idoom and hotdog?
07:11:35BHSPitLappyoh, I thought you meant pz2
07:11:51midkayi need to be able to compile pz2 for hotdog and idoom, right?
07:12:14midkayi need to be able to compile pz2 for hotdog and idoom, right?
07:12:40BHSPitLappyhotdog is a graphics renderer, pz2 is a software gui, and iDoom is a game
07:12:43BHSPitLappythey're all separate
07:12:52BHSPitLappynone is needed for the other
07:13:25BHSPitLappyif you're trying to build the hotdog demo, cd hotdog && make IPOD=1 hd-demo
07:13:37midkayi can't build pz2, but i should be able to build hotdog?
07:14:47BHSPitLappywhat's wrong with your pz2 builds? (take this to a more ontopic channel...)
07:14:48midkaydamn, videodora's going, using cygwin.dll :(
07:15:10BHSPitLappyand I thought you swore by that little software :P
07:15:14midkayholy shit..
07:15:22midkayare you kidding me? it's been videora all this time? no way
07:15:58midkaywell. fu then. :(
07:16:08midkayi swear to god, my screen's said videodora all this time. anyways.
07:16:35midkaydo you have a compiled copy of the hotdog demo or idoom?
07:17:01BHSPitLappyI have iDoom
07:17:19midkaycan you host it somewhere or send it to me please?
07:17:21BHSPitLappyI just told you how to build hd-demo, and pz2 isn't difficuly
07:17:33BHSPitLappyjust wait until it's ready for release
07:17:37midkayit's just not working, i tried it many times..
07:17:50midkayi would like to try again, but.. i can't right now.
07:17:59midkaysigh, like it's a big deal to send.. alright.
07:18:10BHSPitLappymidkay: cd ttk && make distclean all && make install && cd ../podzilla2 && make IPOD=1 && make install IPOD=1
07:18:22midkaymake IPOD=1 fails.
07:18:33BHSPitLappyyou built ttk correctly?
07:18:53midkayiirc, some problem with an arm-uclinux-elf-gcc file ors omething.
07:19:03BHSPitLappy... do you have that toolchain?
07:19:13midkayyes, of course :)
07:19:31midkayalthough i did have a few problems extracting it..
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07:20:03BHSPitLappysuch as?
07:20:05midkayi did try redownloading it a few times but it was always cached or something.. in any case, i'll try again later, but i can't do it now. videora. :(
07:20:41midkaylet me check..
07:29:31midkayCannot open \usr\local\arm-uclinux-elf-tools\arm-uclinux-elf\include\asm-armnommu\arch-atmel (usr\local\arm-uclinux-elf-tools\arm-uclinux-elf\include\asm-armnommu\arch −−> \usr\local\arm-uclinux-elf-tools\arm-uclinux-elf\include\asm-armnommu\arch-atmel)
07:29:31midkaySymbolic link points to missing file
07:29:48midkaylike 10 of those.
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07:37:27midkayre-getting.. will try again
07:37:56midkaynite all
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08:27:09Bg3rm00n1n9, amiconn
08:27:37amiconnThat's an impossible nick
08:27:45amiconnI tried :)
08:43:08Bg3r;) maybe 'cause of the leading number
08:43:31Kilohurtheh just loaded my first modded rockbox firmware on my ipod
08:43:33Kilohurtlove this stuff
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09:21:56JdGordonthe argument goin on in the ml now is excatly why i prefer forums... that could have been locked ages ago...
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09:22:27BHSPitLappy ml?
09:22:32JdGordonmailing list
09:22:32ashridahJdGordon: nah, i'm just happy it's happening on the dev list
09:22:57*ashridah notes that last he checked, the poll is 27:1
09:23:24JdGordonyay.. go us real ppl!
09:23:26ashridahthe reality is, that the last time rockbox was forked, the fork died pretty quickly.
09:23:32ashridahrockbox's got the name and the mindshare :)
09:23:48peturit was 23:3 when I voted, so I figure the poll is as fake as mister glitter
09:23:54BHSPitLappywhat's going on?
09:24:17ashridahand ultimately, i'm in complete agreement with Joel Spolsky. There's WAY more capable programmers out there. There's no point doing rash things if you don't feel right about someone
09:24:30ashridahand if knowing their real name is whati t takes to feel right about someone, then stick to it
09:24:40ashridahBHSPitLappy: the dev list has someone bitching about the "real name" policy
09:24:42peturhe should get treated for this paranoia...
09:24:53ashridahwell, no, he has valid concerns
09:25:01ashridahbut no grounds to argue them within rockbox
09:25:17JdGordonthe rule is as silly as the no // comments rule... but its the rule and i wont argue
09:25:27JdGordonanyway, have a good w/e ppl
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09:26:32ashridahactually, maintaining style is very important.
09:26:57ashridahone of the reasons i regularly whip people when they don't format code using the built in formatter in eclipse before they make a commit to CVS.
09:27:05ashridah(for the projects i work on at uni)
09:28:14*BHSPitLappy doesn't know the rules
09:28:33ashridahthere's guidelines in the CONTRIBUTIONS file in CVS
09:28:58nudelI was glad to see the rule about keeping the indentation style of files you edit, but being free to choose any style for files you create.
09:29:31nudelI hate it when people are nazis about indentation in a project, but I also hate it when a file or block of code mixes styles (except where it makes it more readable −− there are always exceptions)
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09:31:41nudelheh "where can i get a rockbox?" in the ipodlounge thread... people find it so hard to click a link and read about things :-/
09:31:58*BHSPitLappy hates people
09:32:10ashridahthe problem i have is that I ended up being mister fix-it. i took up a lot of slack, mostly because i'm a faster developer, but partly because i had a better grasp of the architecture, so crossing into bits that weren't "mine" was easier for me.
09:32:34ashridahand especially when one developer decided she didn't like indenting AT ALL, i was fairly irate
09:33:20nudelsometimes i wish sourcecode was stored as XML and formatted for the user every time... but then you lose the ability to break the rules when it's useful
09:35:30*ashridah lovingly picks up the reference to XML, and then tosses it into the shredder
09:35:57ashridahyou see, these days, people go "I have a problem. I know, i'll use XML". then they have two problems.
09:37:09nudelheh true, i dislike xml
09:37:32nudelbut it's there and, despite sucking, often better than inventing your own text-based structured storage format
09:38:09nudeli'm dealign with xml parsing at work right now as it happens, and finidng it quite frustrating due to all the cases i have to worry about (which is partly because XmlReader in .Net is a bit basic and crap)
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09:40:44nudelxml is good for text-with-markup (e.g. html) so i think it wouldn't be insane as a storage format for source code
09:41:51ashridahthere isn't a third party XML implementation you can nab and use instead?
09:43:10nudeldunno, but after i got frustrated with using it directly i decided to write a wrapper, which only took a few hours, that will simplify the rest of my code. problem solved in theory (will find out today)
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10:25:33Slasherii don't like anonymous nicks, either in irc (realnames) or email messages.
10:28:23nudelI think a project looks more professional if the names are real, but I don't plan to spend much time looking at the credits list and care more about functionality and bug fixes. I don't really see why anyone cares so passionately on either side of the argument, it's completely beside the point of making rockbox rock.
10:32:14nudelhah, i like how gets confused when you search for "The The"... Matt Johnson must've chosen that name to mess with computer systems :)
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11:09:45markunZagor: is it possible to ban people from this channel?
11:10:37*nudel hides behind a curtain
11:10:41markunI was thinking of this guy: qwm">
11:11:30Zagorlooks like a candidate
11:11:39markunOf course he could probably just change his nick
11:12:49markunMaybe I just don't get his humor: "rockbox causes leukemia in little children. :("
11:12:52Zagorand he's on a dynamic ip
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11:13:22Bg3rmarkun i was here when he wrote this
11:14:13Bg3rand a little below this it became clear that this was just a joke
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11:14:57markunwell, ok. Maybe I'm over reacting
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11:15:31Zagorreading todays log, it those are "jokes" he has a very differnt humor than most
11:15:58Bg3rmarkun see, i remember one "guy" that came here and started to swear ..
11:16:21markunBg3r: qwm does that sometimes too
11:16:22Bg3rin russian :)
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11:16:46Bg3rpetur he started to swear the people in the channel
11:19:18Bg3rhah, i see ..
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11:23:09markunAfter reading the logs, maybe qwm is not so bad. He was having a normal conversation at least 1 time
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11:23:09Bg3rmaybe (s)he was on drugs earlier today :)
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11:23:09ashridahmarkun: on this network, ban evasion is usually a klinable offence if reported to the freenode admins
11:23:09ashridahdepends how annoying the person is tho, of course
11:23:19ashridahbut freenode are usually fairly responsive to longstanding projects
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11:25:13peturI feel banning a bit over the top for what happened... a short kick/ban at the moment of offence is mucht better imho
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11:28:19markunhey phaedrus961!
11:28:43phaedrus961hi, it's been a while
11:29:08markunyes, quite a while
11:29:56phaedrus961yeah, I've been pretty busy lately, but now I have time for rockbox again
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13:44:05safetydanwoo... 40 to 2. Go the Real Name (TM) crew.
13:46:00linuxstbBut the 2 people who voted no are liars....
13:47:34safetydanwell there is that
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13:48:13peturgl and bc then...
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13:50:09ashridahadmittedly, my vote for yes only really consists of my minor SDL threading change patch
13:50:48Papricawhat do you think on custom statusbar?
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13:54:04leftrightlostlogic, Slasheri, skipping tracks breaks gapless playback ?
13:54:17linuxstbPaprica: I haven't looked at your patch, but I think a custom statusbar would be nice.
13:54:30Papricalinuxstb, dont look at it
13:54:38Papricait's ugly =]
13:55:13Papricamm i really dont know what to do, in my opinion it need to be somthing like the wps
13:55:28*Moos votes for custom statusbar too :)
13:55:54Papricaok, but how?
13:56:05markunand loadable file icons..
13:56:19lostlogicleftright: what about them? Track skippping can't be guaranteed gapless without introducing unacceptable lag before the track changes.
13:56:28Papricayes, ok but, new files for the custom statusbar?
13:56:37Papricafile like the .wps
13:56:45Papricawith tags for the statusbar
13:57:15Jungti1234Paprica: I want that control its size.
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13:58:00leftrightLostlogic, understood thank you, thought it was a bug
13:58:54Jungti1234Paprica: According to size of image automatically change
14:00:39leftrightMultifonts is a nice feature, is there any chance that it will be committed ?
14:02:20safetydanleftright, I believe there may still be issues with the font cache... but I haven't been following too closely
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14:02:47Jungti1234leftright: It knows that there are much problems.
14:03:36leftrightit should maybe fix itself and commit itself
14:05:51peturlostlogic: found the cyclic peakmeter anomaly already? ;)
14:06:33leftrightwell I'm using bk's build for multifonts on my H140, and it works like a charm, so nice to have one font for wps and another for the menu
14:07:28lostlogicpetur: no, I haven't, you?
14:07:47lostlogicpetur: I ended up working on click-wheel acceleration last evening instead :-P
14:08:26peturI haven't looked at playback code yet, thought I passed this one on to a playback expert :P
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14:09:18lostlogichah. do you know when it appeared? I coudl try reverting my peakmeter changes... yeah, I thihnk I'll try that, JinC, I broke it with those.
14:13:57Jungti1234What is WAD file format?
14:13:59lostlogicbagh, I definitely introduced it :-<
14:14:24MikachuJungti1234: it's for the game Doom
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14:15:54linuxstblostlogic: What's the idea behind your clickwheel acceleration?
14:16:00Jungti1234Mikachu: More detailed info
14:17:07MikachuJungti1234: it contains levels, music, sound effects and such things
14:17:49Mikachuand graphics of course
14:18:54lostlogiclinuxstb: repeated clicks in the same direction reduce the threshold
14:19:31Jungti1234Why does it exist only doom?
14:19:33lostlogicand reversing directions in a continued touch is a higher threshold than starting out forward for precision 'end of move'
14:20:37Jungti1234Mikachu: Is it only possible in doom?
14:20:55lostlogicsomething I'd like to do in addition would be to decellerate if the user slows down, but I'm not yet sure how I would do that
14:21:07MikachuJungti1234: the format was created by the people who made doom
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14:22:16Jungti1234Mikachu: ah, thank you very much
14:22:29MikachuJungti1234: i think they also used it for heretic
14:28:41crashdis there any gigabeat owners aboot?
14:29:14Jungti1234crashd: markun
14:29:36crashdthinking of changing my ipod for one
14:29:42crashdsuch a hard decision ;\
14:31:48crashdi dont suppose it supports just file browsing a la rockbox
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14:40:54HClout of sheer curiousity
14:41:06HClwhy doesn't rockbox accept anonymous/aliased contributors?
14:41:36peturheh... why would Kjell think the name's John Glitter? I was more thinking Gary Glitter :D
14:42:41peturthis discussion is like a virus - first the ml, now here ....
14:43:32FebsHCl, if you read the developer mailing list logs for yesterday and today, you'll find extensive discussion of the issue.
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14:44:39lostlogicpetur: another possible fix for the screwey peak meter about to go in
14:45:15peturwant me to test it?
14:45:33lostlogicpetur: once I commit it yeah
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14:47:20lostlogicpetur: committed
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14:48:07peturam at work - can't build myself - waiting for bleeding edge build... ;)
14:48:31lostlogicpetur: hehe, I've taken to developing on my leased server so I can build and copy the build to wherever I am, work or home :)
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14:57:34peturlostlogic: that seems to have fixed it :D
15:01:37peturlostlogic: do you know why peakmeters always start at maximum value? It also does that for recording, so it must be in peakmeter.c
15:04:26linuxstbcrashd: From what I've read, I don't think the gigabeat even works as a UMS drive. You transfer music via WMP using MTP. It's definitely in need of Rockbox.
15:09:08lostlogicpetur: no, I was wondering the same this morning, but hadn't startyed looking at it yet
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15:14:00lostlogicpetur: I see why.
15:21:29lostlogicpetur: does recording have it's own display stuff, or does it also get displayed by gui_wps_show?
15:26:16peturapps/recorder/recording.c is the screen
15:26:48peturwps (or wrs better) is for the future I think
15:27:11peturbut both use peakmeter.c
15:27:13lostlogicthen in gui_wps_show I'll reset the peak meter which it should really do.
15:27:34peturah, it's not getting reset
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15:27:46lostlogicpetur: and I added value resetting to the peak_meter_playback() function so you already call that at recording start so you'll be good too.
15:28:24lostlogicshit, gotta go, will finish at work.
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15:40:31markuncrashd: it will support it when rockbox runs on it, but not with the original firmware
15:42:19markunlinuxstb: the gigabeat does work as a UMS driver
15:44:53linuxstbmarkun: So it's similar to the iPod in that respect?
15:46:21markunwell, toshiba goes a bit further and encrypts the files. You need a special program to transfer the files in UMS mode
15:47:13linuxstbI mean if you ignore the music playback features of the firmware, you can use it as a standard UMS hard drive to transfer datafiles?
15:48:12markunthe UMS mode is through the cypress ata bridge. The MTP mode is in software and uses the usb controller of the SoC
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15:51:15linuxstbAny idea if Toshiba have announced an 80GB version yet?
15:51:35muesli__since september 04 ;)
15:51:53linuxstbI mean of the Gigabeat, not just their hard drivers.
15:52:19muesli__ah ok..dunno :-/
15:52:35markunI thought they did, but can't find a link
15:52:41markunI have to go. Have a nice weekend all!
15:52:46linuxstbBut yes, their hard drive announcement now seems a little premature...
16:00:34XavierGrwow. The nick wars on the mailing list! This subject is gettings huge. Now this seems more like a foroum than a mailing list...
16:01:35safetydanman is that debate still going? I wish people had that much time to spend on actually writing and fixing code
16:07:37safetydanI'm waiting for someone to suggest the full Linux kernel patch verification process.
16:08:09Bg3rwhich is ?
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16:21:41imphasingI did a benchmark on my 5G last night
16:21:59imphasingIt lasted for 6 hours playing high compressed FLAC
16:22:09imphasingbut it was also at 86% when I started it
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16:22:15imphasingso it should last ~8 hours
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16:40:49Kingstonei want to ask something about rockbox but need someone who really knows it good
16:41:06t0maswell... then ask
16:41:13Kingstonedoes rockbox save screen caps of the ipod in swap file?
16:41:16t0masand hope for someone to be knowledgable
16:41:33Kingstonecause after i've installed rockbox on my ipod
16:41:36t0masswap file?
16:41:39Kingstoneand scanned the firmware partition
16:41:46Kingstonewell not exactly a file
16:41:51Kingstoneraw data
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16:41:58t0masswap partition from ipod linux?
16:41:59Kingstonei found screen caps
16:42:20Kingstoneleave swap, bad writing
16:42:32Kingstonei found raw data of ipod screen captures
16:42:41Kingstonein the firmware partition
16:42:42t0maswell... afaik it should write them to disk as normal bmp files...
16:42:51t0masin the .rockbox folder
16:43:03Kingstoneso there is a screen capture method?
16:43:10t0masyes, there is
16:43:16Kingstoneok thanks
16:43:17t0masdon't know if it works for ipod yet
16:43:25t0masyou should ask linuxstb or preglow
16:43:26linuxstbThe Apple firmware ont he 5g and Nano hibernates and writes the content of RAM to the firmware partition. But Rockbox doesn't touch it.
16:43:43Kingstoneoh k thanks linuxstb
16:43:55Kingstoneyou got any idea why they do that?
16:44:05t0masthat's how hibernation works...
16:44:10Kingstoneand not on other models as well?
16:44:24t0maswrite ram to disk, power off... and wait for someone to power up again... read back the ram from disk, and continue working
16:44:43Slasherit0mas: well, hardware needs to be initialized again..
16:44:53Kingstoneso the ram is deleted when you hibernate?
16:45:05Kingstoneyou're talking about sleep
16:45:08Kingstonenot deep sleep
16:45:08t0masram gets cleared when you power down
16:45:30Kingstonebut if you deep sleep, the apple logo will appear..
16:45:34*t0mas doesn't know the power states of the ipod
16:45:36Kingstoneit will boot
16:46:02t0maswell... maybe it just displays the logo while initilaizing hardware and loading everything back into ram?
16:46:15t0masor it takes the power off the ram when going to normal sleep
16:46:57Kingstonei assumed it doesn't clear ram on normal sleep.. just turns off hdd and lcd screen
16:47:40t0masthat's something for linuxstb to know ;)
16:47:47Kingstonejust weird they will capture the screen of it..
16:47:58Kingstonewhy not just draw it again
16:48:08Kingstonelike you do on regular UI
16:48:09t0masghehe, e-mail apple and ask them ;)
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16:48:30linuxstbExactly - I haven't really paid much attention to how the Apple firmware does things.
16:49:26safetydanWouldn't the screen contents be buffered in ram?
16:50:03linuxstbYes, I would expect the Apple firmware to have a framebuffer in RAM similar to Rockbox.
16:50:44safetydanWhich would be the reason the screen contents show up in the swap/hibernate file
16:51:09t0masyeah, sounds logical to me
16:51:46safetydanKingstone, any particular reason you were digging around the swap/hibernate file?
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17:27:28webguest86it's "invisible"
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17:28:31t0mashm? invisible?
17:28:35t0maschanged some links?
17:29:05webguest86no, added links in a <div style="display: hidden"> block
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17:30:26t0mashmm... that's a long list
17:30:58webguest86quite so
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17:31:54Jungti1234wiki spam?
17:32:09webguest86Someone put a lot of links to spam-sites in the wiki
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17:36:46jocke1sIs the battery allway loading while the ipod is connected to an USB. Or do I have to set the ipod in a specail mode?
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17:40:13lostlogicjocke1s: it's always charging when connected afaics. jocke1s until the battery is full, but rockbox will always report it as charging when it's connected because we don't yet know how to detect when it's done charging
17:41:15linuxstblostlogic: Is it reasonable to think that the ipod might use more power during playback than it receives via USB - giving a net drain on the battery?
17:41:56jocke1sok thanks
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17:47:12webguest94Hi, I have a list of pages that still have the old menu (no CVS builds link and Sourceforge button): daily.shtml screenshots/ (old, anyway?) fonts/ lang/ docs/license.html notes.html (nostalgia alert!) docs/mpeghdr.html docs/id3guide.html docs/id3v2.3.0.html docs/rocklatin.html internals/ docs/repairlcd.html docs/repairbattery.html download/ mail/* irc/
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17:49:32blueylinuxstb: need your help for a second
17:49:57linuxstbWhat's the problem?
17:50:33blueymhh i've installed ipodlinux2 loader2
17:50:38blueybut it crashes now on loader
17:50:42blueyhow can i get rid of it
17:51:15webguest94sounds like more of a question for #ipl
17:51:27linuxstbFollow either the uninstallation instructions here or the ones here
17:51:31blueyyeah but they don't support anyone
17:52:14webguest94right, I forgot about hteir blanket unwillingness to help anyone
17:53:48ep0chlostlogic: pong (rather slow today)
17:54:21blueythanks :)
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17:58:51ep0chlostlogic: oh clickwheel patch :)
17:58:55Jungti1234bye all
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18:11:28linuxstblostlogic: I want to try and profile a plugin I'm working on (a Pacman emulator). Do I just need to 1) Enable profiling in configure; 2) Add PROFILE_OPTS to my plugin Makefile; 3) Call profile_thread() at the start of my plugin, and call profstop() after the emulator has been running for (e.g.) 60 seconds of emulated Pacman time. 4) Try and make sense of profile.out
18:11:33sanihey, what language is this website:
18:13:44linuxstbAccording to the http headers, "he", which I would guess is Hebrew.
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18:14:56lostlogiclinuxstb: yes, that is correct −− the profile parsing code is not yet working for ARM
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18:15:16lostlogicep0ch: was curious if the clickwheel patch helped your skipping when navigating file tree audio dies issues
18:15:49lostlogiclinuxstb: it should be pretty trivial to make it work, but I haven' thad a chance yet −− for ARM the map files are sufficient to assign addresses to functions it looks like
18:16:07linuxstblostlogic: I may have a look at that then, if I can get a profile.out generated.
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18:16:26lostlogiclinuxstb: I got one successfully for vorbis yesterday.
18:17:12lostlogiclinuxstb: and yes, it is possible for the ipod to eat more battery during certain parts of playback than it gets from USB. I have noticed that battery voltage takes a dip during disk read, even with USB connected, but the net battery result over time with USB connected is positive
18:17:38linuxstbI'm getting very frustrated - I can't even get my Pacman emulator working as slowly as my completely unoptimised Mame port.
18:18:10lostlogicyuck ;(
18:19:41linuxstbI'm aiming for 20fps (displaying one in three of Pacman's native 60fps), and it's running at about 13.5fps on my 5g. But I would expect that it can manage close to 20fps on a Nano.
18:20:21lostlogicyah −− I alternate between damning and loving the large screen.
18:20:41ep0chlostlogic: yes i think it would do if i didn't use cpu_boost, it seems to cope a lot better at 75mhz now, but at 30mhz audio drops out. might be time to unapply the boost patch
18:22:54linuxstblostlogic: Did you get a problem with IRAM being full in libffmpegFLAC when profiling is enabled?
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18:29:59amiconnThere is no difference between addr += PEAK_STRIDE * 2; and addr = &addr[PEAK_STRIDE * 2]; except the latter is imho harder to read
18:33:39lostlogiclinuxstb: yeah
18:34:19linuxstblostlogic: I fixed that, but my plugin now just seems to freeze when I run it.
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18:35:31lostlogicamiconn: no, sorry to make it harder to read −− apparently I'm somewhat slow and I can't tell that addr += PEAK_STRIDE * 2 is _not_ like addr = (short *)((unsigned long)addr) + PEAK_STRIDE * 2)
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18:47:29amiconnlostlogic: That's how pointer arithmetic works
18:47:39*amiconn really likes pointers
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19:33:04jocke1sIs there a way to see how much the battery is loaded?
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19:43:17Slasheriyes, but that needs a different calibration scale to display it accurately. To calibrate it, one needs to monitor at least voltage and current levels and probably battery temperature also to get accurate readings
19:45:19Slasheriand that monitoring inside rockbox can be only done to the point when hardware switches to trickle charging. After that voltage remains the same but current changes (and there is no software readable current sensor in the hardware)
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19:51:18Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: With the 10-bit scale changes, and a battery scale value matching that of the 5g iPod, the battery seems to report 100% properly when it's full on the Nano now.
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20:40:08lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: hmm, interesting −− I think that it now does _not_ reach 100% on 5G, however I have the voltage, not the percent in my WPS so I can't swear to that.
20:41:51Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: It sits at 98%/100% right now, it sorta flips back and forth, but I *think* the battery readout is "good" overall
20:43:36Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Also, as I said in flyspray, I'm rather a fan of the basic acceleration patch
20:45:02ender`is it a bug that music sometimes stops playing while i'm scrolling the filelist?
20:45:12Mikachuit certainly isn't a feature :)
20:45:33ender`are you sure? :)
20:45:57Mikachuif you meant to ask if it's a known bug, i'm also quite sure the answer is yes
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21:07:25lostlogicender`: it's just a performance issue
21:07:57lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: I'm glad you like it −− I also perfer it to the current CVS button driver.
21:08:18amiconnHow does that acceleration stuff work?
21:08:22Mikachudid you lower the unaccelerated sensitivity a bit? i changed the delta from 4 to 10 in the current one
21:08:28amiconnI see that it uses the data parameter of events,
21:09:06amiconnbut afaik no button loop checks this
21:09:06amiconn(and button_get doesn't return it)
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21:19:43lostlogicMikachu: yes
21:20:00lostlogicamiconn: I put that in for later enhancement of application specific wheel handling
21:20:05Mikachugoood</voice of the cockroach in family guy>
21:20:08lostlogicamiconn: no harm in it, IMO
21:20:44amiconnIndeed not, however, I wonder what visible effect the patch has right now?
21:20:50lostlogicMikachu: I applied a bit of logic to making it pleasant to use, but tweaking definitely going to be needed, I might have cranked the initial sensitivity down too much
21:20:54amiconnI guess none...
21:21:20lostlogicamiconn: passing that parameter should do exactly nothing at this time
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21:21:47lostlogicexcept make the compiler put the wheel_delta in a specific register for processing instead of a random one
21:22:24Mikachui don't have any directories with more than 40 files so i don't mind as long as it's not too sensitive
21:22:46lostlogicMikachu: try it out then, and let me know what you think
21:23:30Mikachui will
21:23:38amiconnlostlogic: So that's what I mean: the patch prepares acceleration handling, but doesn't enable it
21:23:49lostlogicamiconn: no, I do the acceleration above
21:23:50amiconnNo difference visible to the user
21:23:58lostlogicamiconn: application specific handling can come later in addition
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21:32:50Mikachulostlogic: er, where is it?
21:33:43Mikachuah, fonud it
21:34:55Mikachuis 2pm later than 6am?
21:35:48ender`depends on your definition of later
21:35:56ender`(but usually is)
21:36:07Mikachuin the same date...
21:36:09ender`6am = 6:00, 2pm = 14:00
21:36:22amiconnsafetydan: I've tried to follow the pcm buffer code a bit to track down the sim crashing problem.
21:36:23moodelynwith the ipod wheel, can the driver detect where you are touiching it, or just that you are rotating? (i.e. could it function as a directional controller... i'm thinking Zuma here hehe)
21:36:44Mikachumoodelyn: my experimenting shows you can
21:36:54Mikachuit seems to send interrupts as long as you're touching
21:37:06lostlogicmoodelyn: it can detect just touches
21:37:12moodelyninteresting... rockbox could have a mouse pointer then?
21:37:31lostlogicmoodelyn: in theory, something like that might be possible in the future, yes.
21:37:52moodelyni think a wheel is good for scrolling lists, but for other stuff a poitner would be great... and for zuma... hehe
21:38:02amiconnIt's indeed an underrun problem: If the callback is called when no more buffers are available, pcmbuf_current->link is NULL. The next round will make it crash...
21:39:33amiconnHmm, it looks like this is something for lostlogic to fix...
21:39:45amiconn"Linked list instead of static array buffer pointers"
21:40:20amiconnSomeone have an .aac to test?
21:41:47*amiconn wants to verify his theory on target
21:42:45amiconnSet 'catch memory accesses' to 'zero area (all)' while playing an .aac should trigger the bug on iriver as aac isn't realtime yet
21:43:11Mikachujpeg.c: In function ‘jpeg_decode’:
21:43:12Mikachujpeg.c:1416: warning: ‘bs.get_buffer’ may be used uninitialized in this function
21:43:16Mikachui don't remember seeing that
21:43:54lostlogicamiconn: if pcmbuf_current->link is null, it should also stop playback
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21:44:27amiconnHmm, where is that done?
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21:45:13amiconnMaybe the sim does something different here
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21:45:22Mikachulostlogic: i'd say the levels are completely off
21:45:33Mikachui have to scroll like a crazy man to make it go faster and then it goes a whole lot faster
21:45:37lostlogicamiconn: the second logical block in the callback will send 0 bytes and null to the caller
21:45:45lostlogicamiconn: which the caller must then stop playback
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21:50:09crashdis there already a plasma demoo for rockbox? (i only ask here as i dont have any web access atm)
21:50:21IcyStorMI need you guys to help me! I've got iPL bootloader 2 and rockbox has dissapeared from the loader and I can't get it back!
21:50:24Bgeryes, there is
21:50:58crashdIcyStorM: and dont crosspost :)
21:51:01crashdBger: ah, ok
21:51:11crashdwas gonna spend my evening doing that to learn the rockbox api
21:51:29IcyStorMCan anybody help me?
21:51:39crashdIcyStorM: see
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21:51:43crashdthe othe channel
21:51:47lostlogicMikachu: hmm, that's not at all how it feels here −− it should accelerate no matter how fast you are moving in a direction as long as you don't change directions
21:56:31Mikachuthat's not how i'd want it to work...
21:56:57Mikachui think a given input speed should produce a given output speed
22:00:33Mikachuif your method was consistent it should keep scrolling indefinitely after you let go of the wheel..
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22:03:54lostlogicinput speed == scroll speed is not acceleration
22:04:09lostlogicacceleration means that as you scroll at the same speed, the scroll wheel moves faster
22:06:32Mikachui see
22:06:48Mikachui know that's what acceleration really means, but i am biased by mouse acceleration i guess
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22:09:41FebsDo I want to even bother responding to Neon John's bullshit?
22:10:02peturdelete it...
22:10:27Paul_The_NerdI think the thread's gone on long enough.
22:11:01FebsIt's long past it's prime, but it's difficult not to respond to a personal attack.
22:11:36Paul_The_NerdBut not impossible, and it leaves him looking more the foolish when he's already put his comment about people sniping at each other in his own sniping attempt.
22:11:38lostlogicMikachu: that's what mouse acceleration is too
22:11:47peturFebs: but that's just what they want. Don't let them drag you into a fight
22:12:05lostlogic... yes... that's what it is...?
22:12:22Mikachuno, if you move your mouse with a fixed speed x, your mouse pointer will move with a fixed speed y
22:12:32Mikachumouse acceleration is the a in y = x*a
22:12:55amiconnlostlogic: Mouse 'acceleration' isn't really acceleration
22:12:56Mikachusort of
22:13:00Mikachui messed up now :(
22:13:35amiconnMouse acceleration is more like a non-linear mapping of input speed to cursor speed
22:13:42Mikachuthat's what i wanted to say
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22:14:18Mikachuwhich is how i would expect the wheel "acceleration" to work too
22:14:25amiconnIf dx is the mouse movement in one time slot and dy is the resulting cursor movement in that same time slot, then
22:14:37amiconndy = dy ^ a with a > 1
22:14:39Mikachubut i'm not sure how the ipod does it, i was never able to select an entry in their firmware without scrolling off it just as i was going to press select anyway
22:14:48lostlogichmm, so mose acceleration is "if delta > 3 && delta < 5 then delta *= 4, if delta >= 5 delta *= 8" or similar
22:14:55amiconnErm, dy = dx ^ a
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22:15:04Mikachulostlogic: yeah
22:15:11amiconnWith a == 2 it becomes simple
22:15:13Mikachuexcept in X, there are only two values and the first is always 1
22:15:22amiconndelta = delta * delta
22:16:08lostlogicMikachu: do you have the same problem with my acceleration as you did with apple's?
22:16:15amiconn*me prefers moose acceleration ;)
22:16:50lostlogicMikachu/amiconn: I'll see about mocking up a mouse-ish acceleration version too.
22:17:21amiconnHmm ,this sdl_audio_callback looks like gibberish to me.
22:17:23Mikachuamiconn: was that a typo or a joke? :)
22:17:49amiconnIiuc it should do basically the same as DMA0 on the target
22:17:58amiconnMikachu: The latter :)
22:18:41amiconnlostlogic wrote 'mose' by accident, I only improved on that ;)
22:18:53Mikachuah, i missed that
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22:23:29lostlogicI didn't notice either of them... I just read the typos into English without noticing or something
22:25:32muesli__XavierGr arround?
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22:35:07safetydanamiconn, I originally wrote the audio callback like DMA0, but it didn't work.
22:35:23safetydanI should probably have another go at it though
22:35:38amiconnI'm currently trying to put something together
22:36:48safetydanthe code that's there now tries really hard to make sure there's audio data written to the SDL audio buffer
22:37:29amiconnYes, but it doesn't check properly whether callback_for_more() returns NULL/0
22:37:38amiconnThe next time round it crashes
22:37:53amiconnIt should stop playing if the callback returns 0
22:38:09amiconnThe restart is handled in the playback code (I guess)
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22:39:34amiconnThe only difference between DMA0 and the SDL code would then be that the SDL code calls callback_for_more() repeatedly until there's enough data, and stop if it doesn't get enough
22:39:43st0rmyimphasing, can I /msg you?
22:40:08amiconnI don't understand why we have to make sure to always write 'len' bytes though
22:40:35safetydanamiconn, that may actually be a misunderstanding of SDL on my part
22:41:02safetydanAt the time I was trying to eliminate the pops by always ensuring there was enough data written
22:43:45amiconnFrom what I understand we should make sure to never write more than 'len'
22:45:47lostlogicamiconn: you are correct, on an underrun, the playback code will resume playback once the buffer has refilled to a 'reasonable' level.
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22:46:09amiconnHmm, in fact the exact len might be needed
22:46:20amiconnIt's a bit unclear
22:46:21Sanis paprica here
22:46:33Mikachulooks like it
22:46:42Sanno, but active
22:46:50Mikachui meant his idle: on /whois is 1 minute
22:46:58Papricamm yes
22:47:00Sanoh, thanks
22:47:03Sanhey paprica
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22:49:09amiconnLooks like we need the exact len
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22:49:44amiconnHow would SDL know we didn't fill the buffer completely?
22:50:16safetydanA question I was just asking myself. 0 is 0 so it can't be looking for 0
22:50:24safetydanmaybe it just assumes
22:52:06[San]hey, would anyone be able to post Sonic The Hedgehog from iPod linux to Rockbox? Its a great game
22:52:45Mikachuwhat are they emulating it from?
22:53:05Mikachujust curious, i wouldn't be
22:53:40[San]i dont know
22:53:51[San]just saw that ^^
22:54:48Mikachui'm pretty sure that's apple os, not ipl
22:56:16Mikachualthough i don't know how to install additional games to apple os
22:56:24[San]it was fake
22:56:36Mikachuthat also works
22:56:41[San]apparently some guy put a video of some guy playing sonic
22:56:47[San]and recorded that
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22:57:45[San]I would love this game
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22:58:13Mikachuyou can play it at home any time :)
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23:01:04safetydanamiconn, I think I've fixed it
23:02:08safetydanI've turned the EQ on, play an MP3, use the oscilloscope plugin and drag the window around like a crazy person
23:02:11safetydanno crash
23:02:25safetydanit used to crash before, now it just prints a DEBUG message
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23:10:37safetydanamiconn, should I commit it or do you have something better?
23:11:58amiconnI have a working sdl_audio_callback(), rather short
23:12:14amiconnIt stops playback if callback can't cope
23:13:02amiconndebug isn't used, so that causes a warning
23:17:59amiconnHehe, with oscilloscope at full speed, this causes 0.5 sec playback - 5 sec pause - 0.5 sec playback ...
23:18:21amiconnWith default speed there's just a short pause shortly after scrolling starts
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23:27:17safetydanamiconn, I'll have to look at it tomorrow. Gotta catch some sleep.
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