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| 00:11:04 | Mmmm | I'm trying to build the cross compiler for CalmRISC16 using the instructions in the wiki but I can't log on to sourceforge anonymous to get the special binutils and gcc |
| 00:11:22 | Mmmm | is there anywhere else i can get them? |
| 00:11:30 | midkay | Mmmm, can i see the page you're looking at? |
| 00:11:41 | Mmmm | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 00:11:45 | Mikachu | yeah i noticed sf cvs was acting up earlier |
| 00:12:03 | Mmmm | ahh...so it will be ok if i just wait a bit? |
| 00:12:09 | Mikachu | probably not |
| 00:12:15 | Mmmm | heh heh |
| 00:12:46 | midkay | Mmmm, hmm, i guess i'd wait a while and try again, yeah.. |
| 00:13:09 | Mmmm | yeah.... I'll give it a go tomorrow...ta... |
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| 00:15:10 | midkay | Mmmm, good luck :) |
| 00:15:23 | Mmmm | :D |
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| 00:18:59 | Mmmm | Anyone want to test a recording remote screen patch? |
| 00:19:16 | Mmmm | or commit it come to that? :D |
| 00:19:26 | midkay | if only i had a remote.. :) |
| 00:19:50 | Mikachu | has anyone thought of making a twoplayer game with the remote? (i don't have one either) |
| 00:20:04 | Mmmm | it also provides rwps peakmeter support! |
| 00:25:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I *think* one of the old snakes games or something was two player with a remote. |
| 00:25:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes his remote wasn't broken. |
| 00:25:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've killed two H100 LCD remotes because I'm horribly clumsy and manage to snag my cable on things. |
| 00:25:49 | Mikachu | :( |
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| 00:31:46 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, wormlet supported 2 player, but it was via the archos remote.. no LCD; one player used the archos keypad, another used the remote, they both used the device's LCD. |
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| 00:33:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I'd assumed the statement wasn't about two-player two-screen games. Not necessarily the best assumption, but I can see whoever gets the LCD-remote screen as having a disadvantage anyway. |
| 00:34:06 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah.. adapting wormlet to the other models would be a nice challenge.. maybe i'll try soon :) |
| 00:35:15 | amiconn | Wormlet even supports 3 players... |
| 00:35:31 | midkay | amiconn, i thought so - up/down, left/right, and then the remote? |
| 00:35:47 | amiconn | ...but is a nightmare to adapt to other targets because of the button handling |
| 00:36:10 | amiconn | I tried it back when doing my plugin frenzy for Ondio, but gave up |
| 00:36:24 | midkay | amiconn, ouch, if you give up, it's gotta be impossible.. ;) |
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| 00:36:27 | midkay | bbiab.. |
| 00:36:34 | amiconn | Unlike other plugins, wormlet has the button handling all over the place |
| 00:36:43 | midkay | hmm :\ |
| 00:36:56 | amiconn | I think it would be easier to rewrite wormlet than to adapt it |
| 00:37:10 | midkay | haha. i'd like to have a look, but anyways.. bbiab. :) |
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| 00:37:48 | Mikachu | Paprica: are you eventually going to adapt tetrox and/or xobox to nano too? |
| 00:39:24 | Paprica | mmmm i will port it to the nano |
| 00:39:44 | * | Mikachu does the can't come up with a proper dance dance |
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| 00:40:31 | Paprica | just need to take a look on the code cuz i am not write this plugins |
| 00:40:42 | Mikachu | yeah i just saw that after i asked on your page |
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| 00:40:56 | Paprica | =] |
| 00:40:58 | DrumRBoy320 | i have a few questions about the iPod |
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| 00:41:13 | DrumRBoy320 | what is the processor type, hard drive type |
| 00:41:29 | Paprica | aff if i want to commit tetrox, i need to port it to the archos targes |
| 00:41:30 | DrumRBoy320 | for HD, like, is it ATA- 6? |
| 00:41:30 | Paprica | ts |
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| 00:41:34 | Paprica | yakk |
| 00:41:34 | Paprica | =\ |
| 00:42:29 | Mikachu | DrumRBoy320: i think ipodlinux' wiki have all the gory details |
| 00:42:52 | Mikachu | DrumRBoy320: http://ipodlinux.org/Documentation |
| 00:42:58 | Mikachu | look down at Technical Details |
| 00:44:24 | DrumRBoy320 | ah, thanks |
| 00:44:38 | Paprica | Mikachu, do you have preferred keymapping for tetrox and xobox? |
| 00:44:46 | DrumRBoy320 | doing a huge comparason sheet on allsorts of DAPs |
| 00:44:49 | DrumRBoy320 | :D |
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| 00:45:06 | Mikachu | Paprica: generally i prefer using menu/left/right/play for up/left/right/down instead of using the scroll wheel for up/down |
| 00:45:27 | Paprica | ok |
| 00:45:34 | Mikachu | the only exception being brickmania since it's not a discrete movement |
| 00:46:24 | Paprica | hah, i need to port rockcalendar for nano too |
| 00:46:26 | Paprica | ^^ |
| 00:46:36 | Mikachu | yeah that would be nice too |
| 00:46:46 | Mikachu | does it support a weekly schedule type thing too, like for school? |
| 00:47:03 | Paprica | no |
| 00:47:09 | Paprica | buuuut |
| 00:47:30 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2959 |
| 00:49:28 | Mikachu | ah, that looks promising |
| 00:49:57 | Paprica | yep but need some work |
| 00:50:03 | Paprica | veryyyy buggy |
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| 01:19:15 | Paprica | Mikachu, ready to test xobox? |
| 01:19:55 | Mikachu | sure |
| 01:20:32 | Paprica | sec |
| 01:21:08 | Paprica | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.c |
| 01:21:56 | Mikachu | i think generally quit on ipods is menu+select |
| 01:22:36 | Paprica | its not the point right now =] |
| 01:22:49 | Mikachu | just saying :) |
| 01:22:58 | Paprica | :] |
| 01:23:00 | Paprica | changed |
| 01:23:37 | Mikachu | is the player supposed to go out in the statusbars? |
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| 01:24:03 | Mikachu | and it's really fast too |
| 01:24:45 | Mikachu | it's almost hard to just enter the field |
| 01:24:51 | Paprica | [02:23:38] <Mikachu> is the player supposed to go out in the statusbars? |
| 01:24:54 | Paprica | ask eli |
| 01:24:55 | Paprica | =] |
| 01:25:04 | Mikachu | there are two lines at the top and bottom |
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| 01:25:24 | Mikachu | one is empty and one has text... so i suspect the player is supposed to be kept in the lines without text |
| 01:25:49 | Paprica | mmm about the speed |
| 01:25:56 | Paprica | play with cycletime |
| 01:26:39 | Mikachu | this is also not so important right now but the file has lots of mixed tabs and spaces |
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| 01:27:21 | Paprica | i'll use indent to remove them |
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| 01:34:30 | Mikachu | i think 50 works fine but maybe i suck a lot at this game :) |
| 01:35:24 | Paprica | =] |
| 01:35:40 | Paprica | 50 is fine on the h3xx too |
| 01:35:57 | Mikachu | if you change >0 to >1 and -1 to -2 in move_board, he stays in the right places |
| 01:36:03 | Mikachu | in MOVE_UP and DOWN |
| 01:36:13 | Mikachu | but leave left and right alone of course |
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| 01:37:23 | Mikachu | static int div(int a,int b) |
| 01:37:23 | Mikachu | { |
| 01:37:23 | Mikachu | return ((a-(a%b))/b); |
| 01:37:23 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Mikachu |
| 01:37:23 | Mikachu | } |
| 01:37:34 | Mikachu | is that really necessary, won't int divisions give the same result anyway? |
| 01:38:10 | Mikachu | but we need to change the initial pos too |
| 01:38:25 | Mikachu | in init_board, player.j=0 should probably be =1 |
| 01:40:14 | drspoon | Paprica: I'm developing space invaders and needed some webspace, Sascha Burton e-mailed me and said it would be cool to have space invaders on plugbox. Sascha said to ask you |
| 01:41:14 | Mikachu | Paprica: and change percentage() to this |
| 01:41:18 | Mikachu | for (j=2;j<BOARD_H-2;j++) |
| 01:41:18 | Mikachu | for (i=1;i<BOARD_W-1;i++) |
| 01:41:18 | Mikachu | if (board[j][i]==FILLED) filled++; |
| 01:41:18 | Mikachu | return filled*100/((BOARD_W-2)*(BOARD_H-4)); |
| 01:41:28 | Mikachu | that way it starts at 0% instead of 38% :) |
| 01:42:24 | Paprica | 38% on the nano haha |
| 01:42:29 | Paprica | =] |
| 01:42:39 | drspoon | Paprica: the secret's safe with me |
| 01:42:46 | Paprica | ;] |
| 01:42:49 | Mikachu | Paprica: will you make those changes? |
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| 01:43:00 | Paprica | sec Mikachu |
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| 01:44:15 | Paprica | ok |
| 01:44:17 | Paprica | done |
| 01:45:09 | Paprica | someone with h100 is around? |
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| 01:47:13 | moodelyn | <amiconn> I was looking at http://www.nudel.dsl.pipex.com/rbt_doh.png . Lots of wasted space; this wps doesn't have any more info than my standard archos recorder wps <−− what more info do you want that's available in WPS? :) |
| 01:47:36 | moodelyn | big screens are good for lists |
| 01:48:02 | moodelyn | there's not much more you need in a WPS though... (well, that one's not finished but needs volume display etc., and going to add the EQ display patch in a separate version if it works for me |
| 01:48:27 | moodelyn | but i mean large screens will benefit lists more than the WPS |
| 01:48:41 | drspoon | [msg->paprica] very sorry, i'm on a pda which messes loads of stuff up, whats the ftp link again? |
| 01:49:50 | drspoon | Paprica: you're a star! thanks |
| 01:50:02 | Paprica | haha |
| 01:50:05 | Paprica | welcome |
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| 01:51:22 | vca | is there a total or per img size limit on bmps for wps with the nano? random imgs are refusing to display, but if i start commenting out other preloaded imgs the broken ones mysteriously start working again. odddd |
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| 01:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | vca: There is a total size limit. |
| 01:53:16 | drspoon | i'm not in a position to do anything now cos PDAs strive to be as functionless as possible but i'll upload later |
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| 01:54:16 | vca | Paul_The_Nerd: i thought i was going crazy |
| 01:55:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | vca: I *think* it's (LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8)+ (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8) bytes. |
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| 02:00:32 | Paprica | Mikachu? |
| 02:00:44 | Mikachu | o/ |
| 02:00:48 | Paprica | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.c |
| 02:01:06 | Paprica | someone with h100 is around? |
| 02:01:37 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
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| 02:06:13 | drspoon | i'm outta here - it's sleep time |
| 02:06:21 | drspoon | nite x |
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| 02:06:59 | Mikachu | Paprica: if you make randomize and div inline, you save about 400 bytes on the .rock |
| 02:08:37 | Paprica | div isn't just / |
| 02:08:38 | Mikachu | i'm still not sure if that div function makes any sense |
| 02:08:40 | Paprica | ? |
| 02:09:00 | Mikachu | i changed it to a/b and the game works fine |
| 02:09:05 | Mikachu | and i saved an additional 100 bytes |
| 02:10:59 | Mikachu | and changing push to pass pos by pointer instead of value also saves 132 bytes |
| 02:11:09 | Mikachu | i'm down to 7050 bytes from 7618 |
| 02:11:26 | Paprica | =] |
| 02:11:33 | Mikachu | 7.4% |
| 02:11:37 | Paprica | send me the changes after it |
| 02:11:43 | Paprica | nice |
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| 02:19:33 | Mikachu | Paprica: down to 6838 bytes |
| 02:19:47 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-xobox_size_reduction.patch |
| 02:20:13 | Mikachu | i tested that every inline i added actually reduces size |
| 02:20:18 | XavierGr | Paprica: I own an H100 if you want help, just tell me. |
| 02:21:06 | Paprica | XavierGr, could you test xobox on h100? |
| 02:21:14 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:21:28 | XavierGr | can you make a working binary, or do you have a patch? |
| 02:22:29 | Mikachu | Paprica: okay, runtested it now too, it still works :) |
| 02:22:50 | Paprica | =] |
| 02:23:12 | Mikachu | 10.2% is pretty good i think |
| 02:23:30 | Mikachu | i don't know how much difference it makes in reality though :) |
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| 02:24:47 | Paprica | haha =] |
| 02:24:50 | Paprica | mm |
| 02:24:54 | Paprica | XavierGr, sec |
| 02:25:51 | Paprica | XavierGr, http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.c |
| 02:26:31 | Paprica | night |
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| 02:26:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Paprica[Sleep] |
| 02:26:54 | XavierGr | night |
| 02:29:09 | Mikachu | Paprica[Sleep]: one thing they may complain about when you submit it is c++ style comments like // |
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| 02:38:09 | XavierGr | Paprica: It works fine. Though somethings are not right imho. |
| 02:38:18 | XavierGr | 1) It is too fast to play. |
| 02:38:47 | XavierGr | 2)They grayscale objexts are too obscure to see in this speed. |
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| 03:06:52 | DrumRBoy320 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801 |
| 03:07:01 | DrumRBoy320 | wong channel sorry |
| 03:07:09 | DrumRBoy320 | (still interesting) |
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| 03:32:37 | BHSPitLappy | hey |
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| 04:07:28 | BHSPitLappy | hey hey? |
| 04:10:21 | JdGordon | hey! |
| 04:11:06 | BHSPitLappy | hey! |
| 04:11:20 | BHSPitLappy | watching ATHF on my tv using my iPod! |
| 04:11:31 | BHSPitLappy | with the $16 cable I just got from radio shack |
| 04:11:55 | JdGordon | nice... i tihnk |
| 04:11:57 | JdGordon | im off |
| 04:11:59 | BHSPitLappy | later |
| 04:12:09 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb: how's your evening |
| 04:13:12 | sharpe | woohoo... i have my zip viewer working... somewhat... |
| 04:13:18 | BHSPitLappy | sweet |
| 04:13:23 | BHSPitLappy | slow? |
| 04:13:47 | sharpe | eh, only works with uncompressed zips... so it's not entirely useful |
| 04:13:53 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 04:13:57 | sharpe | but it does at least work |
| 04:13:57 | BHSPitLappy | I guess not |
| 04:14:01 | BHSPitLappy | :) |
| 04:14:51 | sharpe | eh, 2.22kb plugin... not too bad... |
| 04:15:00 | BHSPitLappy | yep |
| 04:15:19 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 49 minutes and 15 seconds at the last flood |
| 04:15:19 | * | BHSPitLappy tries to think of an application of uncompressed zip |
| 04:15:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 04:15:33 | sharpe | heh, exactly. |
| 04:15:48 | BHSPitLappy | besides distributing groups of files, which doesn't really apply to music players |
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| 04:16:01 | sharpe | yeah |
| 04:16:13 | BHSPitLappy | I want to ask linuxstb/preglow a question :/ |
| 04:16:33 | sharpe | ooh, what's that question? :) |
| 04:16:44 | BHSPitLappy | regarding RE'ing the 5G |
| 04:17:10 | midkay | re'ing? |
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| 04:17:21 | BHSPitLappy | reverse engineering... |
| 04:17:26 | sharpe | ah... |
| 04:17:39 | midkay | what specifically? |
| 04:18:40 | BHSPitLappy | first, what was the source they used to reach the "breakthrough" on the 5G lcd |
| 04:18:49 | BHSPitLappy | (the rcsc image?) |
| 04:18:58 | midkay | the huge performance improvement? |
| 04:19:01 | BHSPitLappy | mmhmm |
| 04:19:39 | midkay | trial and error, iirc; seeing what didn't always need to be done, etc. |
| 04:20:14 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
| 04:20:35 | sharpe | should i abandon the dynamic zip file index idea i had and just go for the static one? heh... |
| 04:23:02 | sharpe | it's amazing, usually whenever i say something, nobody talks for a bit after... |
| 04:23:47 | midkay | sharpe, you should do whatever you want, that's why :) |
| 04:24:01 | midkay | (and i personally have no idea what in the hell you're talking about..) |
| 04:24:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Application for uncompressed zip- WPS and .bmps are all included in one file, rather than a file and a folder |
| 04:24:54 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: point taken |
| 04:25:03 | sharpe | yay me for having an idea... |
| 04:25:05 | | Part XavierGr |
| 04:25:25 | BHSPitLappy | and we'll rename it to a .wps extension, and make it proprietary! |
| 04:25:47 | sharpe | woo! |
| 04:26:20 | sharpe | i think i just did something... that actually works... |
| 04:27:51 | sharpe | i should talk to myself less... |
| 04:30:14 | sharpe | what about a .wpz extension? |
| 04:32:33 | midkay | that's quasi-interesting. |
| 04:33:06 | sharpe | what is? |
| 04:33:07 | BHSPitLappy | the diet coke of interesting |
| 04:33:15 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:33:18 | midkay | wpz!! |
| 04:33:21 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:33:40 | sharpe | hmm... "while playing zip" |
| 04:33:43 | BHSPitLappy | has anyone registered .ass? that'd be funny. |
| 04:33:53 | midkay | sharpe, i was able to figure that one out. :) |
| 04:34:08 | sharpe | eh, twas for my own thinking :) |
| 04:34:53 | sharpe | i'm going to see if it works with a zip with ~170 entries... |
| 04:35:42 | sharpe | um... |
| 04:35:45 | sharpe | maybe not. |
| 04:35:52 | midkay | sharpe, haha. |
| 04:36:25 | sharpe | "Data abort at 000F48F6" only my fifth error like that today... |
| 04:37:02 | midkay | sharpe, the answer is clear; code better, you loser. |
| 04:37:30 | sharpe | i've been programatically degraded... :( |
| 04:37:38 | sharpe | and that's not even correct. |
| 04:38:29 | midkay | sharpe, stop talking and get back to work. i want a zip viewer that can handle the most heavily compressed zip files by tomorrow morning. |
| 04:38:52 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: there's several good reasons to /ignore midkay |
| 04:38:57 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:39:07 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, why haven't you done it then? |
| 04:39:35 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: I have, but I eventually lift my /ignores... |
| 04:39:45 | sharpe | oh the love... |
| 04:39:56 | BHSPitLappy | just saying, quit being a bitch to sharpe and live up to your own expectations of others |
| 04:40:56 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, i mean, why am i not still there? why would you remove it? and.. hi.. if you can't tell i was kidding, you must be an idiot (that wouldn't surprise me).. |
| 04:42:16 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: if someone is always kidding, then are they? |
| 04:42:34 | BHSPitLappy | consider that. |
| 04:43:54 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, considering.. considering.. hmm.. if someone were always kidding, then they wouldn't really be kidding, no. |
| 04:44:55 | BHSPitLappy | I haven't witnessed you -not- being sarcastic or spiteful, so I have no reason to believe that's not the actual 'you' |
| 04:45:29 | sharpe | eh, i guess i'll just set the limit to 128 max zip entries viewed... |
| 04:47:46 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, i haven't witnessed you -not- being a know-it-all correct-it-all bitch, so I have no reason to believe you're more than just a haughty little boy. |
| 04:51:52 | BHSPitLappy | w00t, it worked! |
| 04:55:00 | sharpe | eh, this sucks... can't malloc for plugins... :( |
| 04:55:45 | midkay | sharpe, i'm unfamiliar with that, but you can always add it to the plugin api if it's a rockbox thing (plugin.c/.h) |
| 04:56:07 | sharpe | true... |
| 04:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally, you're expected to try to avoid malloc when possible. |
| 04:57:40 | sharpe | i think it's going to be hard to do without malloc when deflating a zip... |
| 04:58:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, and I know malloc-like things are done elsewhere, I just don't remember where. |
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| 05:00:31 | sharpe | from what i've thought of, using the plugin buffer and like, having a malloc function for that... just the idea i had though... |
| 05:03:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well in that case, couldn't you just use large statically-sized arrays / structures / whatever you need? Since either way you have the same size limits... |
| 05:03:51 | sharpe | i suppose, since that's what i've ended up doing with the zip entry listing... just a static array |
| 05:03:51 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: so this will just be a viewer, and its gui is another file browser? |
| 05:04:01 | sharpe | essentially, i suppose... |
| 05:05:26 | sharpe | wow, i just figured out the easier way to getting the little flashlight think off it's clip thing... |
| 05:06:02 | sharpe | um... little flashlight thing... |
| 05:06:25 | BHSPitLappy | thanks, THAT really clarified the first statement |
| 05:06:54 | sharpe | yes, i have the ability to make inanimate objects senient. |
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| 05:13:59 | sharpe | so... anyone think i should try for the decompression thing? |
| 05:15:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. I don't see too much use for that, but that really just means *I* wouldn't have much use for it |
| 05:15:29 | sharpe | i wouldn't have much use for it either... |
| 05:15:54 | midkay | sharpe, it'd be cool - i wouldn't have a use for it either, or not very often, but there must be people who would use it if they could :) |
| 05:16:35 | sharpe | heh, thanks |
| 05:17:37 | sharpe | i just need to find... source code for inflating a deflated file... lol... |
| 05:17:51 | sharpe | without gzip or zlib... |
| 05:18:00 | sharpe | ellipsis are my friend. |
| 05:18:04 | crashd | what compression? |
| 05:18:09 | sharpe | deflate |
| 05:18:16 | crashd | ah, lol |
| 05:18:41 | sharpe | also known as uninflated :) |
| 05:18:55 | crashd | sorry, it's 4:20 am here and i just got in from a 7hr shift at work |
| 05:19:05 | sharpe | :) |
| 05:19:12 | crashd | my head really isnt the right plae |
| 05:19:23 | sharpe | heh |
| 05:22:23 | sharpe | yeah, there's no way i'm going to try to go from lisp to c... |
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| 05:27:48 | sharpe | :( this is making me sad... |
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| 05:53:55 | sharpe | why is it, i find asm source for inflating a deflated file, that has less lines of code than the c source... ? |
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| 06:24:27 | JdGordon | any1 have any idea how much a new ipod lcd would cost? |
| 06:29:10 | coob | no idea, you're probably better off buying a busted ipod on ebay and ripping the lcd out |
| 06:31:59 | JdGordon | a guy is selling a 20gb 4g with a dead batt and lcd for $40 aud, so if a new batt and lcd would be reasonable itd be worth thinking about |
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| 06:33:33 | coob | mono 4g? |
| 06:33:39 | JdGordon | ye |
| 06:33:53 | coob | :/ i have a photo with a dead hd |
| 06:33:55 | JdGordon | hmm... dead ipod on ebay for $40.. might be a good combp |
| 06:33:59 | coob | workin batt and lcd. |
| 06:36:05 | JdGordon | man, if i had $80 lying around i would for sure by these 2 dead ipods and put em together, then sell the 2nd hdd :D |
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| 08:29:51 | Jungti1234 | hellp |
| 08:29:53 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 08:30:49 | Jungti1234 | linuxstb_: there? |
| 08:33:20 | midkay | amiconn, morning? are you here? :) |
| 08:37:13 | Jungti1234 | Don't I share pacman's ROM? |
| 08:38:35 | midkay | Jungti1234, what? |
| 08:39:05 | Jungti1234 | Couldn't I share pacman's ROM? |
| 08:39:30 | midkay | what do you mean, share it? |
| 08:39:36 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 08:39:50 | Jungti1234 | Is it unlawfulness? |
| 08:39:52 | midkay | it's copyrighted, right? |
| 08:39:56 | midkay | illegal, yes |
| 08:40:00 | Jungti1234 | okok |
| 08:40:18 | Jungti1234 | I mean 'Is it unlawfulness?' |
| 08:40:46 | midkay | if unlawfulness means illegal, yes. |
| 08:40:55 | Jungti1234 | thanks |
| 08:41:10 | midkay | np |
| 08:42:03 | Jungti1234 | http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300/3000 |
| 08:43:18 | midkay | cool |
| 08:43:51 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 09:11:14 | Jungti1234 | hi Bger |
| 09:11:23 | Bger | hi, Jungti1234 |
| 09:15:35 | midkay | hey Bger |
| 09:18:37 | Bger | ;) |
| 09:22:00 | Kilohurt | mmm thai food |
| 09:23:04 | Bger | haha, the dev mail list is so quiet after the "signing off" thread ... :) |
| 09:25:08 | midkay | haha, yeah.. i'm kind of unhappy about that.. i really wanted those scalable wps tags :( |
| 09:26:38 | Bger | heh, be sure that someone (not willing to be nick-anonymous) will take the idea and implement it |
| 09:26:58 | midkay | so pointless, though.. |
| 09:27:17 | midkay | it's like.. so here we have 100% fine code.. but we'll just "rewrite it" ourselves and commit it.. |
| 09:28:12 | amiconn | mooning |
| 09:28:14 | midkay | i was wondering if the core team would allow another rockbox member to "take responsibility" for it/legal problems should any arise (yeah right)... still leave it credited to gl, though |
| 09:28:51 | midkay | amiconn, hey :) i had a look at wormlet and am adapting it to other targets.. i was wondering if you had any idea why i might get random crashes when i play it on my ipod.. |
| 09:29:13 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 09:29:20 | Jungti1234 | midkay, error |
| 09:29:27 | midkay | Jungti1234, what was it? |
| 09:30:20 | amiconn | midkay: Not at all. Wormlet shouldn't have data alignment problems as the SH requires strict alignment the same way as the arm |
| 09:30:44 | midkay | amiconn, hmm.. i'm baffled.. |
| 09:39:15 | amiconn | Ugh. There are *17* plugins not mentioned in PluginIndex |
| 09:39:33 | midkay | amiconn, whoa.. i noticed a few (like maybe five).. but.. wow.. |
| 09:39:48 | amiconn | I compared apps/plugins/ and the list |
| 09:39:57 | Jungti1234 | midkay, warning |
| 09:40:02 | amiconn | The 17 don't even include the 3 experimental plugins |
| 09:40:17 | midkay | Jungti1234, warnings are no problem |
| 09:40:20 | midkay | Jungti1234, you can try it now |
| 09:40:20 | amiconn | (midi2wav, mp3_encoder and wv2wav) |
| 09:40:27 | amiconn | Erm, wav2wv |
| 09:40:34 | midkay | amiconn, hmm - i'll have to get started on that :) |
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| 09:41:35 | amiconn | alpine_cdc, calendar, credits, demystify, dice, dict, euroconverter, fire, flipit, jackpot, nim, oscilloscope, plasma, snake, star, starfield, vbrfix |
| 09:42:09 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 09:42:22 | midkay | oh, btw, i tried oscilloscope with all your updates, amiconn - quite cool :) |
| 09:43:13 | amiconn | I have plans to add another mode |
| 09:43:28 | midkay | diagonal? sine wave? gobbledygook? |
| 09:43:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rotating! |
| 09:43:45 | midkay | explosions!! |
| 09:43:53 | midkay | radial. |
| 09:43:59 | midkay | no, i take that back. |
| 09:44:14 | amiconn | ...working similar to wrap, but instead of wrapping, change direction at the edge |
| 09:44:18 | amiconn | pingpong mode |
| 09:44:27 | midkay | oh, cool. :) |
| 09:45:07 | midkay | amiconn, if you're interested in some bloat.. togglable cursor and wipe direction would be potentially nice options |
| 09:45:23 | amiconn | Give me some free buttons :) |
| 09:45:25 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. midkay |
| 09:45:36 | Jungti1234 | It's so small. |
| 09:45:39 | midkay | amiconn, i don't believe PLAY|LEFT|SELECT|MENU is used yet :) |
| 09:45:59 | midkay | Jungti1234, really? should be ok-sized.. except the worm is probably tiny. |
| 09:46:07 | midkay | i tried to make the blocks/food a good size. |
| 09:46:11 | amiconn | I don't know what buttons can be used together on iPod |
| 09:46:16 | Jungti1234 | very small |
| 09:46:19 | midkay | amiconn, all of them, i think. |
| 09:46:26 | amiconn | Both on archos and iriver there are constraints |
| 09:46:28 | midkay | Jungti1234, the worm, right? |
| 09:46:35 | Jungti1234 | all |
| 09:46:38 | Jungti1234 | worm, block |
| 09:46:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: At the very least, select works with anything] |
| 09:46:58 | midkay | amiconn, if you changed speed selection to scrolling on the ipods.. you'd have LEFT/RIGHT/PLAY all free.. |
| 09:47:02 | Jungti1234 | midkay: Enlarge double. |
| 09:47:10 | midkay | Jungti1234, what exactly? |
| 09:47:28 | amiconn | midkay: I want to keep the ability to adjust volume |
| 09:47:38 | midkay | amiconn, oh, i didn't realize that was possible. |
| 09:48:04 | amiconn | I consider this a valuable feature in visualisation plugins. |
| 09:48:16 | Jungti1234 | midkay: Enlarge size double of worm and block. |
| 09:48:18 | midkay | amiconn, i guess we've got no choice but to add delicious animated menus with gradients and transparency and fading and antialiasing and a variety of other visual treats. darn. ;) |
| 09:48:23 | Jungti1234 | x2 |
| 09:48:46 | Jungti1234 | And there is bug. |
| 09:48:58 | midkay | Jungti1234, the block and food are both easy to change the size of. but the worm is harder.. the way the plugin does collisions is a bit weird, but i didn't look at it very carefully yet.. |
| 09:49:01 | midkay | Jungti1234, what is it? |
| 09:49:24 | Jungti1234 | If I press right button when I'm going to right, it crashed. |
| 09:49:40 | midkay | really? hmm |
| 09:49:52 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 09:49:56 | Jungti1234 | no right |
| 09:50:08 | Jungti1234 | If I press 'left' button when I'm going to right, it crashed. |
| 09:50:19 | midkay | if you're going left and you press right, you eat yourself, yes.. weird, but not something i'm going to touch yet. :) |
| 09:50:26 | amiconn | midkay: Should I add stubs for the missing plugins and indicate the targets which the plugins are running on? |
| 09:50:53 | midkay | amiconn, that sounds good.. at least so we have a complete listing.. |
| 09:50:56 | Jungti1234 | midkay: yes. hahaha |
| 09:51:35 | Jungti1234 | It eats itself. |
| 09:52:10 | midkay | Jungti1234, :D hm, i'd like to add a blood splatter effect when a worm eats another or itself. :) |
| 09:52:32 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 09:52:45 | midkay | a massive blood/worm chunk explosion extraordinare.. from 3 seperate angles. |
| 09:53:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 09:53:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fully rendered in 3D with raytraced specular and diffuse lighting, etc etc? |
| 09:53:49 | BHSPitLappy | don't forget technicolor |
| 09:54:11 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, exactly. the screen could split up and the explosion would replay a few times in ultra slow motion.. maybe an animated camera zooming by and through the volumetric blood.. |
| 09:54:31 | midkay | and then back to the simple 2d flatshaded game. :) |
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| 09:59:43 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 09:59:45 | Jungti1234 | midkay |
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| 10:00:06 | midkay | :) |
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| 10:00:31 | Jungti1234 | Worm died because there isn't to eat. |
| 10:01:15 | midkay | Jungti1234, what? |
| 10:01:42 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 10:01:55 | midkay | Jungti1234, that reminds me, i want you to try something - go right until you hit the edge - do you die right at the edge of the game area? where the line goes down the screen |
| 10:02:06 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 10:02:09 | Jungti1234 | I have screenshot |
| 10:02:29 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump 060312-175734.bmp |
| 10:03:11 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060312-175734.bmp http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060312-180129.bmp |
| 10:03:30 | midkay | haha - wow. |
| 10:03:33 | midkay | that's weird. sigh. |
| 10:03:36 | midkay | more bugs to look into.. |
| 10:03:45 | midkay | curse you, wormlet+creator.. |
| 10:03:55 | Jungti1234 | Poor worm... |
| 10:05:19 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:06:02 | amiconn | lostlogic: The dice plugin has a serious bug on the player. |
| 10:06:37 | amiconn | When I start it, nothing is displayed, and even when I manage to leave it, text display is gone permanently |
| 10:06:42 | Jungti1234 | midkay: worm must die? :) |
| 10:06:51 | amiconn | I have to reboot rockbox to get my display back. |
| 10:07:13 | amiconn | You're probably printing outside the 2 possible lines |
| 10:07:18 | midkay | Jungti1234, yes, worm & food & arghs & bugs & creator must all die. :) |
| 10:07:32 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 10:09:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: That's probably my fault. I had adjusted it for other screens, but I don't recall doing one for the Player. If I did, it almost definitely wasn't right. |
| 10:11:27 | Paprica[Sleep] | any objections from anyone to commit Xobox? |
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| 10:11:46 | midkay | Paprica, i've got the opposite.. ;) i'd like to see it |
| 10:12:09 | Jungti1234 | :) me too |
| 10:12:10 | midkay | Paprica, what exactly is it? i remember reading about it earlier.. |
| 10:12:30 | midkay | ah, the little.. yeah. never mind. :) |
| 10:12:33 | Paprica | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.htm |
| 10:12:49 | midkay | working on ipod video i hope? *crosses fingers* |
| 10:12:58 | Paprica | but now it supports ipods, x5, gigabeat |
| 10:13:12 | midkay | excellent |
| 10:13:20 | Paprica | =] |
| 10:13:27 | Paprica | amiconn, what do you think?> |
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| 10:16:24 | midkay | i'm wondering why more of the plugbox plugins aren't in cvs.. source seems to be provided with most or all of them.. |
| 10:18:00 | Paprica | midkay, most of them not complete |
| 10:18:14 | Paprica | look at rockpaint and rockword |
| 10:18:15 | safetydan | also they don't seem to have been submitted for inclusion |
| 10:18:44 | midkay | rockword looks awesome.. |
| 10:19:17 | Jungti1234 | They is lacking function.. |
| 10:19:19 | Paprica | looks awesome but not useful right now |
| 10:19:32 | Jungti1234 | yes.. |
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| 10:20:40 | midkay | ah |
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| 10:23:28 | BHSPitLappy | doesn't make too much sense to include every working plugin in with rockbox |
| 10:23:35 | BHSPitLappy | getting bloated |
| 10:23:43 | drspoon | Paprica: should i create a web page for space_invaders on plugbox? |
| 10:24:14 | Paprica | of course |
| 10:24:27 | Paprica | ok i |
| 10:24:30 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, huh? "every working plugin"? there's only like 8 there.. and the point of plugins is that it's not bloated, if there are ones you don't want, then remove them. it's just a list of files. |
| 10:24:34 | Paprica | i'm commiting xobox |
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| 10:25:12 | BHSPitLappy | midkay: it's a little more common practices to distribute a minimal set, and if there are ones you DO want, then ADD them |
| 10:25:21 | BHSPitLappy | s/practices/practice/ |
| 10:25:58 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, hm, how awful.. |
| 10:26:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it *bad* that people get everything 'official' when they download? |
| 10:26:15 | drspoon | with broadband, 3ghz processors and 500gb hdds I think people won't notice even a few mb of plugins |
| 10:26:21 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex Lots of yellow exclamation marks to fix, i.e. fill in :) |
| 10:26:34 | BHSPitLappy | it's not bad now... it just seems like some time in the future, it will be unnecessary... |
| 10:26:36 | midkay | amiconn, nice, thanks :) |
| 10:26:39 | moodelyn | i think if the plugins were categorised it would be less bad |
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| 10:26:58 | moodelyn | i didn't want to go through a list of lots of things trying to work out what each did (i wasn't near the manual) |
| 10:27:07 | safetydan | Also, those plugins aren't working on all targets yet are they? |
| 10:27:23 | safetydan | That's usually another criterion to be met before they're comitted. |
| 10:27:24 | drspoon | moodelyn: definately |
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| 10:27:50 | nudel | (just noticed silly nick :)) |
| 10:28:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wasn't the idea to possibly separate them into categoric folders? |
| 10:28:09 | midkay | safetydan, i don't think they're working on any more than either the H100 or H300, or both.. i wasn't saying they should be committed as-is, i'm just wondering why there seems to be lots of unused code there.. never mind.. just thinking aloud. :) |
| 10:29:49 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, yes |
| 10:31:02 | amiconn | drspoon: Imho PluginIndex should document all plugins included in the standard distribution, i.e. cvs |
| 10:31:18 | safetydan | Though it's not quite that simple as we'd need translatable categories |
| 10:31:20 | amiconn | Unreleased plugins are, well, unreleased |
| 10:32:09 | Paprica | what is mikacho real name? |
| 10:32:11 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Category folders might be difficult. What if a plugin has more than one category? |
| 10:32:16 | Paprica | or this is his real name? |
| 10:32:25 | drspoon | amiconn: i agree - i meant on plugbox whilst i develop (hopefully to be commitable in 3 weeks or so) |
| 10:33:15 | midkay | that reminds me.. anyone know what's up with the PluginRoboracers in PluginIndex?.. no code, no compiled tests, no description.. just a screenshot. |
| 10:34:17 | Jungti1234 | midkay: http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300/3007 |
| 10:34:59 | midkay | Jungti1234, what language is that in? |
| 10:35:07 | Jungti1234 | korean |
| 10:36:02 | midkay | Jungti1234, cool. :) |
| 10:36:14 | midkay | i wish i knew the answer to these bugs.. |
| 10:36:15 | amiconn | midkay: Imho that shouldn't be there. Removing the CategoryPlugin line from PluginRoboracers should get rid of it |
| 10:36:51 | midkay | amiconn, i thought so but didn't want to touch it when i reworked the PluginIndex page.. |
| 10:37:38 | midkay | done |
| 10:39:00 | Paprica | Xobox commited |
| 10:39:33 | midkay | Paprica, cool :) |
| 10:40:06 | Jungti1234 | good |
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| 10:41:07 | Paprica | ooops, what i did wrong? http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 10:41:09 | Paprica | @@ |
| 10:41:13 | nudel | what's Xobox? I looked in the source and saw stuff about balls and infected areas (I had that once, had to go to the doctor for some cream) but I still don't know what kidn of game it is. :) |
| 10:41:42 | midkay | nudel, hahaha, it's like.. did you see the screenshots? :) |
| 10:42:02 | nudel | i must've missed the screenshots/url |
| 10:42:17 | midkay | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.htm |
| 10:42:18 | lamed | hehe... red builds all around, paprica... |
| 10:42:21 | Jungti1234 | http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox2.jpg |
| 10:42:34 | midkay | haha. paprica killed rockbox!! |
| 10:42:38 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 10:42:38 | Paprica | haha |
| 10:42:43 | lamed | (just back from the R me) |
| 10:42:45 | Paprica | but i dont know but idid wrong |
| 10:42:47 | nudel | thanks. looks like snake or tron? |
| 10:42:50 | Paprica | what* |
| 10:42:56 | midkay | nudel, i have no idea really. ;) |
| 10:43:02 | safetydan | Paprica, I don't think you did anything wrong. Something's up with the build system. |
| 10:43:20 | midkay | check out the errors and see if they're legit? |
| 10:43:26 | Jungti1234 | It is normal |
| 10:43:28 | midkay | oh. |
| 10:43:30 | t0mas | I'm looking at them |
| 10:43:33 | midkay | weird. |
| 10:43:36 | Paprica | ok |
| 10:43:48 | Jungti1234 | make: *** No targets. Stop. |
| 10:43:53 | safetydan | Somehow the build system is running on a read only filesystem... which isn't going to work obviously |
| 10:44:57 | Paprica | balh why in my commit =\ |
| 10:44:58 | Paprica | haha |
| 10:45:23 | t0mas | linuxstb |
| 10:45:27 | t0mas | trouble on your server |
| 10:45:39 | t0mas | as in 100% disk usage on /home and /film |
| 10:45:55 | t0mas | erm /film = /video2 |
| 10:47:00 | t0mas | hmz... |
| 10:47:04 | t0mas | ccache is eating diskspace |
| 10:47:14 | nudel | Anyone know if the new tag database will be cached in memory? It's a bit annoying having to wait for disk spin-up when browsing folders. (I know the karma at least always kept the file list in memory... which was an issue for people who upgraded teh HDD as it would eat away at the playback buffer) |
| 10:48:17 | amiconn | It can do both. If you enable dircache, the tagcache will also be in ram |
| 10:48:32 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:48:32 | * | amiconn doesn't use dircache |
| 10:48:38 | safetydan | nudel, do you have dircache on? |
| 10:48:39 | midkay | no news on tagcache on ipods, right? |
| 10:48:39 | nudel | oh, there's already a dircache |
| 10:48:45 | nudel | i hadn't realised, sorry |
| 10:48:50 | nudel | I need to RTFM |
| 10:48:52 | safetydan | midkay, no news on tagcache anywhere :) |
| 10:49:01 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:49:04 | midkay | blast!! ;) |
| 10:49:12 | safetydan | When it comes, it'll be for all targets. |
| 10:49:13 | amiconn | nudel: No M to RTF yet |
| 10:49:43 | amiconn | dircache is fairly new, and certainly unsuitable for the archoses |
| 10:50:32 | amiconn | It might be that dircache has issues on iPod |
| 10:51:03 | nudel | ok |
| 10:51:14 | amiconn | I cannot know for sure as I have no iPod, but dircache might have data alignment problems. Coldfire doesn't care, but arm does |
| 10:51:22 | midkay | fwiw, using dircache here on my ipod 5g - working fine, no problems. |
| 10:51:30 | amiconn | ok |
| 10:51:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: it had but that has been fixed now |
| 10:54:01 | amiconn | t0mas: I don't see excessive disk space usage from the distributed build client. |
| 10:54:25 | amiconn | du -s /home/rbclient : 261MB |
| 10:54:48 | t0mas | ccache |
| 10:54:54 | t0mas | it can grow to 1 gb |
| 10:54:58 | t0mas | sources take < 100 mb |
| 10:55:07 | t0mas | so the diskuasage limit should be around 1,1 GB |
| 10:55:09 | amiconn | ccache stores data in the user's home dir, so that's included |
| 10:55:26 | t0mas | yes, but linuxstb_'s server has been in testing for all targets since the beginning |
| 10:55:29 | t0mas | so his ccache is bigger |
| 10:55:40 | amiconn | Ye ok. |
| 10:55:56 | amiconn | 1GB should be no problem with today's disks... |
| 10:55:57 | t0mas | standard limit is 1 gb |
| 10:56:06 | Kilohurt | it's amazing how big kernel 2.6.x is |
| 10:56:10 | t0mas | I'll change it to 500 mb for him |
| 10:57:18 | Slasheri | t0mas: btw, could it be possible to store the ccache data elsewhere from the user's home directory? |
| 10:57:25 | t0mas | yes |
| 10:57:45 | t0mas | you have a preferred place? |
| 10:57:47 | Slasheri | that way there wouldn't be need to every day consume much of the disk space with incremental daily backups i have |
| 10:57:58 | Slasheri | hmm, just a moment and i will check |
| 10:58:10 | t0mas | ok, sounds like a good idea |
| 10:58:18 | t0mas | for linuxstb_: |
| 10:58:19 | t0mas | cache size 780.3 Mbytes |
| 10:58:19 | t0mas | max cache size 976.6 Mbytes |
| 10:59:37 | Slasheri | t0mas: /stuff/work should be fine for that, just create some directory in there (it's world writable and excluded from all backups) |
| 10:59:46 | t0mas | ok |
| 10:59:54 | Slasheri | thanks :) |
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| 11:02:02 | moda|DOOF | on wps's should i load bmps first or last? |
| 11:02:12 | t0mas | your call :) |
| 11:02:18 | t0mas | it doesn't really matter iirc... |
| 11:02:20 | t0mas | most people do it first |
| 11:02:24 | moda|DOOF | like, will bmps load faster first or last? |
| 11:02:28 | moda|DOOF | ah, k |
| 11:03:05 | moda|DOOF | syntax for loading backgrounds? |
| 11:03:22 | midkay | %X|bg.bmp| |
| 11:03:35 | moda|DOOF | oops, i meant backdrops |
| 11:03:42 | moda|DOOF | its %m or something? |
| 11:03:54 | midkay | backdrops? |
| 11:04:07 | midkay | for the menus and browser? |
| 11:04:07 | midkay | that's in a config file.. |
| 11:04:11 | moda|DOOF | for the wps |
| 11:04:18 | midkay | backdrops for the wps is what i said. |
| 11:04:18 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#How_To_Create_A_wps_File |
| 11:04:21 | t0mas | that's a list of tags |
| 11:04:44 | moda|DOOF | ive got it open, cant find it. i guess ill go thru the h300 experimental page |
| 11:04:55 | t0mas | %X|filename.bmp| −− Load and set a backdrop image for the WPS. This image must be exactly the same size as your LCD. |
| 11:05:11 | t0mas | it's there :) |
| 11:05:27 | moda|DOOF | yer. i thought that was just normal image load? |
| 11:05:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Capital X is backdrop |
| 11:05:41 | moda|DOOF | ahh |
| 11:05:43 | moda|DOOF | silly me |
| 11:07:36 | moda|DOOF | x and y is horizontal then verticle, right? |
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| 11:09:26 | midkay | moda|DOOF, yes |
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| 11:11:49 | zoneout | Does anyone know how to install rockbox on a 5g ipod from linux? |
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| 11:13:33 | moda|DOOF | k |
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| 11:13:54 | midkay | zoneout, yes, it's all at the wiki.. |
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| 11:16:54 | moda|DOOF | if i have this code in my wps, http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38511 does it mean that i dont have to put in the original battery define? |
| 11:17:03 | moda|DOOF | or do i still have to call it up? |
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| 11:18:54 | midkay | moda|DOOF, what? |
| 11:19:15 | moda|DOOF | if i have his code, do i still have to put the syntax in to call up the battery normally? |
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| 11:19:48 | midkay | not sure what you're asking. call up the battery? |
| 11:20:13 | safetydan | Wouldn't it be better to move the image placement in the display WPS tag and not the preload tag? |
| 11:20:53 | safetydan | So %xl|a|filename.bmp| and %xd|a|x|y| instead of %xl|a|filename.bmp|x|y| and %xd|a| |
| 11:21:44 | moda|DOOF | midkay: like, have the battery show up normally..... |
| 11:21:55 | moda|DOOF | sorry, im not speeking very goodly tonight, im tired |
| 11:23:12 | midkay | moda|DOOF, hmm, it's too complicated for me to comprehend ;) i'd just try and see.. |
| 11:24:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I think I said that exact same thing on a thread on misticriver earlier today. ;-) |
| 11:25:23 | moda|DOOF | yay, half my wps coded, already |
| 11:25:32 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, great minds and all that :) |
| 11:25:56 | safetydan | Doesn't look like it would be too hard to switch that around... tricky thing would be maintaining backwards compatibility |
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| 11:30:56 | zoneout | I'm going through the windows installation instructions for rockbox on an ipod... Where do I download rockboot.bin from? |
| 11:31:02 | zoneout | i'm using a 5g ipod |
| 11:31:20 | midkay | you create it in one of the earlier steps.. |
| 11:31:31 | midkay | and at IpodBoot, there are linux instructions, by the way.. |
| 11:32:01 | zoneout | midkay: I decided to do it through windows... |
| 11:32:09 | midkay | zoneout, either way works :) |
| 11:32:42 | moda|DOOF | someone please interpret this for me? %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|y.coord| what is left and right pos? |
| 11:33:04 | midkay | the left and right positions.. in pixels |
| 11:33:08 | safetydan | left edge and right edge? |
| 11:33:25 | moda|DOOF | oh, ok |
| 11:33:35 | zoneout | ok, I see the instructions I missed... I thought they were for ipodlinux users only... but thats just c.2, not d)... my bad :) |
| 11:33:45 | midkay | zoneout, aha :) |
| 11:35:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, a few people have thought that. |
| 11:37:30 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 11:43:08 | t0mas | wow... |
| 11:43:13 | t0mas | this WPS looks cool: |
| 11:43:14 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#JoltAmp_24bit_WPS |
| 11:43:42 | nudel | looks like winamp5 :) |
| 11:43:46 | t0mas | jup |
| 11:46:01 | bluebrother^ | is there a key to quit the simulator? |
| 11:46:15 | bluebrother^ | haven't found anything in the wiki. |
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| 11:48:31 | midkay | bluebrother^, i don't think so. just close the window. |
| 11:48:58 | safetydan | In theory holding the power off button should work |
| 11:49:12 | safetydan | (power off button of the simulator target, not your computer) |
| 11:49:23 | safetydan | Alt-F4 of course always works anyway |
| 11:49:23 | Bger | hahaha |
| 11:49:59 | midkay | haha. |
| 11:50:14 | safetydan | hrmm... the WPS code is in dire need of a proper parser... |
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| 11:54:25 | moda|DOOF | wtf someone help me |
| 11:54:38 | Bger | with "wtf" ? |
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| 11:54:55 | t0mas | I assume in this case that's "what to fuck" then :P |
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| 11:55:02 | t0mas | try 0900-callgirl |
| 11:55:04 | Bger | :D |
| 11:55:07 | moda|DOOF | i coded in my wps, and i just loaded it up, and none of the things work. like, the volume bar doesnt work, the play bar doesnt work etc |
| 11:55:30 | t0mas | well... that sounds like you did something wrong :) |
| 11:55:41 | t0mas | have you copied the bmp files to the player? |
| 11:55:45 | moda|DOOF | yes |
| 11:55:51 | midkay | in the right dir? |
| 11:55:53 | moda|DOOF | they load up right because the stop one shows |
| 11:56:00 | t0mas | in .rockbox/wps/wpsname/ |
| 11:56:00 | moda|DOOF | and the full volume shows |
| 11:56:04 | moda|DOOF | but they dont function |
| 11:56:05 | moda|DOOF | yes |
| 11:56:07 | midkay | check your wps code then.. |
| 11:56:08 | t0mas | ah |
| 11:57:14 | Bger | moda|DOOF put your WPS code in the http://pastebin.com and paste the link her |
| 11:57:35 | moda|DOOF | its identical to my other code. hrm. bger, its not finished its just the start of it, and i dont have much time at |
| 11:57:38 | moda|DOOF | atm |
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| 11:58:51 | Bger | moda|DOOF okay, but u shouldn't expect someone to help you without seeing the WPS code |
| 11:59:11 | moda|DOOF | bger: i know, but i really dont have time |
| 11:59:39 | t0mas | well... then ask some other time |
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| 12:13:15 | nudel | is there a way to test battery level WPS stuff in the sim? |
| 12:14:38 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 12:14:45 | nudel | cya |
| 12:14:51 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 12:14:51 | midkay | later Jungti1234 |
| 12:14:54 | midkay | thx for testing :) |
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| 12:17:55 | drspoon_ | Paprica: i've got spaceIinvaders on plugbox |
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| 12:33:08 | zoneout | ack I've just gone and selected an ipod theme and I can't read the menus anymore... Is there an easy way ro reset the theme? |
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| 12:33:51 | Bger | zoneout on iPod ? |
| 12:34:01 | Slasheri | hmm, iriver player? |
| 12:34:04 | zoneout | Bger: yeah |
| 12:34:29 | Bger | zoneout ask someone with ipod to guide you through the menus .. |
| 12:34:48 | Slasheri | or try the simulator |
| 12:34:48 | Bger | linuxstb ? preglow ? lostlogic ? |
| 12:35:07 | zoneout | Bger: I can't see any menu's... I think the font is set to white (which is my background colour)... |
| 12:35:14 | zoneout | is there a file I can edit? |
| 12:35:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can reset the settings by turning on Hold immediately after turning it on. |
| 12:35:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think |
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| 12:35:56 | linuxstb | You think correctly. |
| 12:35:58 | Bger | ah, i always forget about Paul_The_Nerd |
| 12:37:11 | nudel | I thought RB didn't detect hold on the ipod? or is that just in wps? Or totally wrong? |
| 12:37:23 | zoneout | Paul_The_Nerd: Doesn't seem to work. |
| 12:37:43 | zoneout | where's the theme config saved? |
| 12:37:47 | midkay | zoneout, you need to power it on and immediately turn on the hold switch. |
| 12:38:00 | midkay | worked for me earlier today. |
| 12:38:08 | midkay | accident, no less. :) |
| 12:38:19 | zoneout | ahh I was pushing pause! :) |
| 12:38:21 | nudel | i think you can also do it by disconnecting from USB while hold is in place (which would explain why i accidentally reset my config twice) |
| 12:38:30 | midkay | zoneout, :) |
| 12:38:34 | zoneout | midkay: thats worked :) |
| 12:38:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudel: Yeah, it's "if it boots while hold is in place" for the moment. |
| 12:39:04 | midkay | good |
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| 12:44:34 | * | t0mas is now playing: Deep Purple Live - Smoke On The Water [1973] |
| 12:44:45 | t0mas | what a great concert :) |
| 12:44:54 | JdGordon | ok, who wants to guess what my root password is on coLinux? |
| 12:44:58 | JdGordon | nice song :D |
| 12:45:04 | Bger | yep |
| 12:45:36 | t0mas | JdGordon: open up port 22 and wait a few days... if it's a normal English word I'm sure someone will find it |
| 12:45:47 | Bger | t0mas hahah |
| 12:45:49 | JdGordon | haha... |
| 12:46:00 | t0mas | they keep trying it on my non-password login SSH |
| 12:46:02 | t0mas | really funny |
| 12:46:05 | Bger | i think u should try sudo passwd root |
| 12:46:16 | JdGordon | na, im smart (and lazy), ive set the user to sudo with no passwd.. so i just did sudo passwd root and it worked :D |
| 12:46:31 | Bger | :P |
| 12:46:33 | t0mas | normally sudo asks for your own user password |
| 12:46:36 | t0mas | so that would have worked too |
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| 12:51:41 | zoneout | Whats the easiest way to rename/reorganise my old iTunesDB for rockbox? |
| 12:52:04 | Bger | mp3tag.de |
| 12:52:06 | Bger | for example |
| 12:53:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has tried and liked mp3tag. |
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| 13:02:31 | JdGordon | ok wierd.. im setting up a dev env on coLinux, and ive done apt-get install gcc but now im configuring binutils and it says.. "checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 13:02:57 | JdGordon | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot creat |
| 13:02:57 | JdGordon | e executables." wtf? |
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| 13:04:14 | Bger | see the log of the configure |
| 13:04:33 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Have you installed the native binutils? (apt-get install binutils) |
| 13:04:54 | JdGordon | i just did a test compile of a hellow world program and it says cant find stdlib.h so still need some setting up |
| 13:05:00 | JdGordon | linuxstb: doesnt look like it :p |
| 13:06:35 | linuxstb | You may need libc6-dev as well. |
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| 13:15:06 | JdGordon | ok, who want sot guess how long binutils will take to compile on my colinux setup? |
| 13:15:06 | JdGordon | im guesing 20min |
| 13:15:06 | JdGordon | (host comp is celly 2.4, 512mb ram), nothing major running apart from win xp |
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| 13:17:03 | JdGordon | fine.. suit yourselve.s.... its cool if no1 eants to play... |
| 13:17:06 | JdGordon | wants* |
| 13:18:19 | Bger | 15 min ;) |
| 13:19:46 | midkay | 14 min 59 seconds. |
| 13:19:47 | midkay | :) |
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| 13:21:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is tempted to say 15 and 1. |
| 13:23:20 | JdGordon | its justerd "configuring in ld" |
| 13:23:29 | JdGordon | any1 know how much to go? |
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| 13:25:13 | JdGordon | done! |
| 13:25:25 | JdGordon | 11min |
| 13:25:44 | * | JdGordon is bored btw... |
| 13:27:22 | JdGordon | any takers on gcc? |
| 13:29:10 | linuxstb | 19min... |
| 13:32:44 | Bger | 16 |
| 13:32:46 | Bger | :P |
| 13:33:12 | JdGordon | no way... gcc took more than double on my lappy, im saying 25 |
| 13:33:45 | Bger | then 23m30s |
| 13:34:34 | JdGordon | rounding that to 24, coz my timing is going from the "[23:27] JdGordon: any takers on gcc?" line untill it finishes |
| 13:34:44 | JdGordon | so.. ye... |
| 13:34:54 | JdGordon | not exactly olympic timeing standards |
| 13:35:26 | JdGordon | is the build errors on the cvs coz of the box? or code? |
| 13:35:35 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt has better precision |
| 13:36:03 | JdGordon | no it doesnt... its 10hours behind :p |
| 13:36:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think that was caused by my build server - not the code. |
| 13:36:16 | JdGordon | oh, u mean the seconds showing? |
| 13:36:21 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:36:37 | linuxstb | I'm testing t0mas's ability to bullet-proof his distributed build system... |
| 13:36:59 | JdGordon | alrighty |
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| 13:42:21 | JdGordon | done |
| 13:42:36 | JdGordon | 15min |
| 13:42:46 | JdGordon | Bger wins |
| 13:43:37 | JdGordon | umm.. crap... make install...make[2]: m68k-elf-ranlib: Command not found |
| 13:43:37 | JdGordon | make[2]: *** [install] Error 127 |
| 13:43:37 | JdGordon | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rockdev/build/gcc/gcc' |
| 13:43:37 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 13:43:37 | JdGordon | make[1]: *** [install-multilib] Error 2 |
| 13:43:37 | JdGordon | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockdev/build/gcc/gcc' |
| 13:43:43 | linuxstb | Damn. Now compile a Linux kernel... |
| 13:44:04 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You just need to add the m68k bin directory to your PATH. |
| 13:44:24 | JdGordon | i did... |
| 13:44:27 | JdGordon | ill try again... |
| 13:44:29 | linuxstb | As root? |
| 13:44:48 | Mikachu | the path probably doesn't inherit when you su |
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| 13:45:20 | JdGordon | done and done |
| 13:45:47 | t0mas | linuxstb: I bulled-proofed it this morning by removing your server |
| 13:45:49 | t0mas | has it rebooted? |
| 13:45:55 | t0mas | and is everything back to normal? |
| 13:46:19 | linuxstb | t0mas: Yes, it should be back to normal now. |
| 13:46:22 | t0mas | ok |
| 13:46:23 | JdGordon | does sdl need X installed (i know.. silly q.. but im hoping it doesnt..) |
| 13:46:45 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:46:45 | * | amiconn just tried x11 forwarding thru ssh |
| 13:46:56 | amiconn | It works, but is horribly slow |
| 13:47:10 | linuxstb | t0mas: I guess it's hard to tell the difference between a build that failed due to build server problems, and a build that failed due to bugs in the code. |
| 13:47:18 | Mikachu | JdGordon: no, it shouldn't |
| 13:47:29 | Mikachu | amiconn: did you add -C? |
| 13:47:43 | amiconn | The x11 player sim is barely usable. SDL is out of question |
| 13:47:58 | t0mas | linuxstb: almost impossible |
| 13:48:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is this on a local network? |
| 13:48:06 | t0mas | if the server responds fine, we can only assume it builds |
| 13:49:01 | linuxstb | t0mas: One option would be to make the build server compile a small test program before each build. But I'm not sure if it's worth the effort, and that may not catch all problems anyway. |
| 13:49:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: No, between two different ADSL-connected locations |
| 13:49:24 | * | amiconn wants to try NX, but has no clue how to set it up |
| 13:49:30 | JdGordon | NX is slooow |
| 13:49:38 | JdGordon | well... on colinux anyway |
| 13:49:41 | * | amiconn really likes RDP for its simplicity and speed |
| 13:51:07 | * | t0mas has used remote X for a long time now |
| 13:51:11 | t0mas | works fine on a network |
| 13:51:22 | t0mas | if you want it to work over a slow uplink, you'll need compression |
| 13:51:31 | t0mas | (you can enable that in the SSH tunnel) |
| 13:51:56 | JdGordon | is that with a windows box? or nix? |
| 13:52:04 | JdGordon | i mean, connecteing from |
| 13:52:10 | Mikachu | you can also use vnc with varios compression algorithms |
| 13:52:39 | JdGordon | . |
| 13:53:04 | amiconn | t0mas, Mikachu: I tried -C now. It helps somewhat. Still way slower than rdp |
| 13:53:17 | amiconn | VNC is also significantly slower than RDP |
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| 13:53:25 | Mikachu | what compression did you use? |
| 13:53:26 | t0mas | jup, RDP is a really smart invention |
| 13:53:32 | Mikachu | and what does rdp use? |
| 13:53:33 | t0mas | but you can use -C9 iirc? |
| 13:53:35 | amiconn | NX is said to be quite fast, that's why I want to try it |
| 13:53:51 | Mikachu | there's only -C or no -C |
| 13:57:13 | JdGordon | :) coLinux is MUCH faster than cygwin |
| 13:57:44 | ashridah | yeah, cygwin's a bit of a pig |
| 13:58:35 | JdGordon | 4 min for a clean build... cygwin took 8+ |
| 13:59:00 | amiconn | 8 ?? |
| 13:59:06 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:59:16 | amiconn | Oopss. Takes 5..6 here |
| 13:59:36 | amiconn | (swcodec) |
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| 14:01:38 | * | JdGordon thinks 1gb isnt enough for the dev env.. |
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| 14:02:37 | JdGordon | all the files that were compiled can be deleted right? |
| 14:04:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm... building clean for iPod Nano takes me about 3 minutes, and that's with Doom thrown in. |
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| 14:04:58 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you still have your pacbox compilation problem with current CVS? |
| 14:05:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Nope. It's stayed gone. |
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| 14:05:25 | linuxstb | Very strange. But I'm happy it fixed itself. |
| 14:05:35 | Massa1 | Hi everybody! |
| 14:06:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still kinda wish I knew what had caused it. But hey, it's gone, and as long as it stays that way, it's no concern of mine, 'eh? |
| 14:06:26 | Massa1 | Is there somebody here with knowledge in how the gui_wps screens work? |
| 14:06:41 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: What system |
| 14:06:43 | amiconn | ? |
| 14:07:05 | amiconn | Building clean for iPod nano takes ~70 sec on my amd64 |
| 14:07:19 | amiconn | (including 'make zip') |
| 14:07:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mobile Athlon 64 in 32 bit mode, 3400+, and no make zip. |
| 14:07:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *really* wish I could get ndiswrapper to work properly for me |
| 14:07:58 | JdGordon | well of course u have decent build times if your on linux.... |
| 14:08:00 | amiconn | Hmm, then it's probably limited by hard disk speed |
| 14:08:09 | * | JdGordon hates it and will not put it on my desktop |
| 14:08:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I'm on Windows XP w/ Cygwin |
| 14:08:26 | amiconn | oh |
| 14:08:28 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 14:08:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *would* be on Linuxs, cept ndiswrapper doesn't work, and I don't like dragging a 50 foot ethernet cable around my apartment. ;-) |
| 14:08:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Linux |
| 14:09:14 | * | amiconn doesn't want to run a 64 bit CPU in 32 bit mode |
| 14:09:30 | amiconn | That's *one* reason why I chose linux for my new box |
| 14:09:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | This was actually a warranty replacement I got a year ago for a three year old Sony Vaio. |
| 14:10:19 | amiconn | I surely won't switch to linux completely |
| 14:10:25 | Massa1 | Hello??? Somebody here who wants to talk with me? |
| 14:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, I keep intending to put linux on my desktop for development, but the case fan is horribly loud, and I keep forgetting to pick up a replacement when I'm somewhere that has 'em. |
| 14:11:12 | muesli__ | Massa1 you didnt perform well in the race ;-p |
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| 14:11:53 | Massa1 | muesli__: why? |
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| 14:13:43 | Nimsoft | 'lo |
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| 14:15:39 | Nimsoft | anyone know if this can be run on an iPod mini yet? |
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| 14:16:13 | Massa1 | There are a lot of places in the sources around, where the macro FOR_NB_SCREENS has been used. This is to form a loop over the screen of the main device and the remote (if possible). |
| 14:16:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimsoft: While I think some experimenting has been done, as far as I know it's not in a usable state yet (won't play music, etc) |
| 14:16:52 | Nimsoft | aww :( |
| 14:17:10 | Massa1 | Then a function will be called (e.g. wps_reset) and the corresponding gui_wps structure will be given as parameter. |
| 14:17:31 | Nimsoft | hopefully once it's functional it'll convince me not to give up with the iPod altogether |
| 14:17:35 | Massa1 | I want to know if it's possible inside such a function to detect which is the remote and which is the main screen... |
| 14:18:17 | Mmmm | Massai1 display->screentype 0=main 1=remote! |
| 14:18:20 | Nimsoft | so sick of useless EQs, lack of codec support and god damn gaps between mixes |
| 14:18:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimsoft: So, what prompted you to buy an iPod in the first place then? |
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| 14:19:02 | Nimsoft | small, light, good battery life, looks fairly nice |
| 14:19:06 | amiconn | Massa1: The purpose of the gui code is that you shouldn't need to care which screen is which, or how many screens there are |
| 14:19:19 | Massa1 | Mmmm: thanks - that would work! |
| 14:20:03 | Nimsoft | if the EQs worked and they had seamless tracks I wouldn't give any other players a second thought |
| 14:20:18 | Massa1 | amiconn: I just found (another) problem with the backdrop being erased. You know why? Because there is no difference between remote and main screen and loading a new rwps clears the backdrop (of the main display) |
| 14:20:19 | Mmmm | I've been doing a lot of work with the gui system recently...it's really quite clever! |
| 14:20:21 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: The same complaints can be made of every DAP apart from the Rio Karma... |
| 14:20:21 | Nimsoft | but it seems apple are *still* ignoring these pretty important features |
| 14:20:44 | muesli__ | Massa1 cos u reached 9th position only ;-p |
| 14:21:15 | amiconn | Nimsoft: What *I* don't get is that so many current (and almost-current) DAPs have no gapless playback |
| 14:21:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Well, some have better EQs than others. Some have more codec support than the iPod as well. The Karma really has the biggest advantage in the EQ and gapless categories though. Dunno what codecs it supports, honestly. |
| 14:21:25 | Nimsoft | I know it bugs the crap out of me |
| 14:21:35 | Nimsoft | I get around it by having all my mixes as one file |
| 14:21:36 | amiconn | The years-old archoses all had gapless playback with stock firmware... |
| 14:21:51 | Nimsoft | annoying yes, but not too bad with a scroll wheel as you can scrub quickly and accurately |
| 14:22:01 | Nimsoft | I cant stand the crappy controls found on most other DAPs |
| 14:22:03 | Massa1 | Mmmm: as far as I understand the backdrop code does not fit very well in the rest of the gui code |
| 14:22:11 | JdGordon | bah, gapless is only needed if u listen to pink floyd, or live recordings :p |
| 14:22:15 | Mmmm | Massaa: you can clear a single screen only by passing a particular struct into the function and then using display->clearscreen |
| 14:22:20 | Massa1 | muesli__: Huh? You mean Formula 1? |
| 14:22:24 | Nimsoft | or any dj mix JdGordon |
| 14:22:30 | Nimsoft | which is damn near most of my music collection |
| 14:22:35 | Mmmm | (eventually ill get your nick right massa1! :D |
| 14:22:38 | muesli__ | Massa1 sure ;) |
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| 14:22:41 | Nimsoft | why the hell would you listen to music that's not mixed? :P |
| 14:23:03 | Massa1 | Mmmm: no, that's not what I mean. |
| 14:23:05 | Nimsoft | in fact the only tracks I own unmixed is on the vinyl so I can mix it myself :D |
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| 14:23:38 | Massa1 | Mmmm: the variable wps_has_backdrop and the complete backdrop handling does not care about a gui_wps structure. |
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| 14:24:02 | Massa1 | It will be set and read regardless of which screen currently is used. |
| 14:24:11 | Mmmm | Massa1: ahh..looks like it needs a rewrite then eh? :) |
| 14:24:14 | linuxstb | Massa1: Please feel free to improve that WPS backdrop handling. I implemented it originally, without knowing very much at all about that part of Rockbox. |
| 14:24:28 | linuxstb | So I know it's far from perfect... |
| 14:24:49 | Massa1 | In my oppinion it either has to be put into the gui_wps structure (I don't know if it make sense - a remote will never get a backdrop, will it?) |
| 14:25:00 | Mikachu | hm, reading the original xonix code isn't easy, all variable and function names are in polish |
| 14:25:20 | Massa1 | Or it has to check which screen it currently handles and only react if it's the main screen. |
| 14:25:32 | linuxstb | Massa1: It's possible that in the future Rockbox will support devices with greyscale or colour remotes - so remote backdrops would make sense. |
| 14:25:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is the H300 remote mono? |
| 14:25:44 | Mmmm | Massa1:you never know..a future target may have a funky remote that can cope with backdrops! |
| 14:25:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has never seen one. |
| 14:25:56 | Mmmm | ahh..too late! :) |
| 14:26:04 | Bger | Paul_The_Nerd yes |
| 14:26:11 | Massa1 | linuxstb: And I tried to fix the cleaning of the backdrop and just found out, that it still does not work properly ;) |
| 14:26:14 | Bger | it has the same screen as the h100's one |
| 14:26:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why is the H300 LCD remote so much more coveted then? |
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| 14:26:36 | Bger | imho it's better than the h100 |
| 14:26:43 | Bger | button-wise |
| 14:26:56 | Bger | that's all |
| 14:27:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 14:27:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just know misticaudio was selling them for $70 |
| 14:27:28 | Massa1 | linuxstb: O.K. then I try to change it and move the backdrop handling inside the gui_wps structure. I didn't have a deeper look. But it should not be too hard :) |
| 14:27:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure I'd pay twice as much for a better button layout. |
| 14:27:43 | JdGordon | can rb.org host the colinux hdd images? it looks like it might be around 200mb (prob much less using bz instead or rar) |
| 14:27:57 | Mmmm | Is anyone interested in trying out my remote peakmeter support patch? using the gui system? It compiles for all targets...I tested it! |
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| 14:28:26 | Bger | Paul_The_Nerd the problem is that they aren't sold outside of Korea |
| 14:28:37 | Massa1 | Mmmm: does not make much sense for me - I only have a NON-LCD remote :) :) :) |
| 14:28:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mmmm: I absolutely would, but my LCD remote broke last week. I'm just waiting 'till next month to order a replacement. |
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| 14:29:36 | Bger | Paul_The_Nerd how did you brake it ? |
| 14:29:42 | Mmmm | It seems that there are a massive amount of people out there with knackered remotes! what do you all do with them? :D |
| 14:29:59 | Massa1 | Mmmm: peakmeter is a good cue: would it be possible to add margins for it similar to the peakmeter? |
| 14:30:13 | Mmmm | yuo mean progress bar? |
| 14:30:24 | Massa1 | Mmmm: of course :o |
| 14:30:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bger: The cable snagged on a doorknob. Pulled itself out of the unit. Tried a friend's remote, the unit itself is fine. My remote just doesn't show anything and no audio comes through. |
| 14:30:50 | Mmmm | should be...the code is there for specifying its width and position already..just needs putting into the WPS code! |
| 14:31:27 | Bger | Paul_The_Nerd bad .. |
| 14:31:46 | Mmmm | Bger..you're a remote man right?? as in..you use one i mean! :D |
| 14:31:55 | Massa1 | Mmmm: Or some general support for margins to every tag? Something more general (but similar) to the scrolling margin patch? |
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| 14:32:48 | Massa1 | Which is btw really nice and IMHO should be committed to CVS ;) |
| 14:33:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bger: Yeah. I'd stuffed the whole thing into my pocket in a rush to get somewhere, but a loop of cable was still hanging out. I'm really lucky nothing worse happened. |
| 14:33:08 | Mmmm | Massa1: that sounds a bit more tricky! :) |
| 14:33:39 | Massa1 | Mmmm: yeah, a small solution now and a more general one later would be O.K. for me :D |
| 14:33:44 | Massa1 | :) |
| 14:33:45 | Massa1 | :) |
| 14:34:14 | Mmmm | heh heh.. |
| 14:34:50 | Mmmm | I want to get this peakmeter patch committed first...before I start on something new! |
| 14:35:20 | Mmmm | Getting a dev to look at it is harder than the actual coding! :D |
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| 14:35:33 | titor | hello everyone |
| 14:35:47 | Massa1 | Hi titor! |
| 14:36:38 | titor | i would like to know if it is possible to see the source code of the archos firmaware ? |
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| 14:37:03 | Massa1 | Mmmm: that's true - and a shame, there are a lot of really good patches out there which I assume no dev looked at :( |
| 14:37:42 | titor | so you don't know ? |
| 14:38:00 | Massa1 | titor: what do you mean? The rockbox code is in CVS and I doubt you'll find the source code of the original firmwares somewhere :O |
| 14:38:05 | Mmmm | Massa1: could be, or they could all just be badly coded! |
| 14:38:33 | titor | ok so i'll look in the CVS |
| 14:38:59 | titor | is it hard to develop a firmware for a mpp3 player ? |
| 14:39:01 | Massa1 | Mmmm: I doupt that - and if, the devs should leave a note so that the authors could change it... |
| 14:39:10 | Mmmm | I think there are a lot of hacked patches out there that wouldn't go well in the present code even though they work |
| 14:39:14 | Massa1 | doupt -> doubt |
| 14:39:18 | Mmmm | yes a note would be good, but |
| 14:39:34 | Mmmm | then as you say, there are a LOT of patches out there! :) |
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| 14:40:21 | Mmmm | For example, for this peakmeter patch, I first got it working in a hacky kind of way, |
| 14:40:28 | Mmmm | posted it on the forum, |
| 14:40:33 | Massa1 | Mmmm: yes, and some of the older ones are still good and IMHO needed (e.g. oneclick patch for iRiver devices) |
| 14:40:36 | Mmmm | and everybody is using it |
| 14:41:00 | Bger | Massa1 ? what oneclick patch ? |
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| 14:41:08 | titor | is there some stuff about the archos gmini XS202 ? |
| 14:41:11 | Mmmm | My new version (which took a lot longer to code is super Rockbox! :D |
| 14:41:49 | Mmmm | Bger: Rubberglove has done a 1click patch playlist insert patch...been around for ages! |
| 14:42:11 | Massa1 | Bger: "One click to insert functionality in file tree"; you can find it here: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2653 |
| 14:42:34 | Mmmm | it's really fantastic! |
| 14:42:44 | Mmmm | couldn't live without it! :D |
| 14:42:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | titor: That's not a device rockbox supports |
| 14:43:00 | Massa1 | Mmmm: lot longer code means much better readable and much better integrated in Rockbox? |
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| 14:43:37 | Mmmm | no...it took me longer to make....it's not actually longer in length! |
| 14:44:06 | Mmmm | it uses all that gui stuff which took ages for my tiny mind to get a grip of! :D |
| 14:45:04 | Massa1 | I'm also still in the learning stage and don't understand a lot of the code - every day I find something new ;) |
| 14:45:22 | Mmmm | it's good isn't it? :) |
| 14:45:23 | titor | ok |
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| 14:45:47 | Mmmm | great sense of acievement when something suddenly clicks into place! |
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| 14:46:22 | Massa1 | BTW, I'm also looking for a possibility to read configuration data from inside the metadata code... |
| 14:48:38 | Massa1 | I mean: as far as I understand the reading of the metadata is independent from the WPS parsing. But I want to define a bitmap name from inside the WPS which the metadata code should use. |
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| 14:51:47 | linuxstb | Massa1: Are you talking about the album art patch? |
| 14:52:06 | Massa1 | linuxstb: yes ;) |
| 14:53:05 | linuxstb | IMO, the album art bitmap name doesn't need to be configurable. But if you insist, then could it be a global setting (set via the theme .cfg file), rather than part of the WPS? |
| 14:53:34 | linuxstb | Or are you thinking of a dynamically generated name based on information in the tags? |
| 14:54:50 | Massa1 | linuxstb: there is a dispute around for WPS creators: some like 75x75 bitmaps, some like 90x90 bitmaps, some like 100x100 bitmaps, some like 125x125 bitmaps. |
| 14:55:55 | nudel | would it be silly for the firmware to scale images down to fit a size specified in the WPS? |
| 14:57:14 | Massa1 | nudel: would be nice, but you need could scaling code - and for that you need knowledge in image handling ;) |
| 14:57:18 | nudel | i don't think any fixed size is good since the ideal will be differnet for different devices. one idea is files named _100 _75 etc. so people can populate the drive with different sized images but that's also a pain for the user... if they could simply supply an image and RB scales it... |
| 14:57:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Massa1: Why not have them set the size in the WPS. For example %c|X|Y|size| and then it looks for coversize.bmp (so, for 100x100, it looks for cover100.bmp)? |
| 14:58:12 | linuxstb | That could simply be a global setting then. |
| 14:58:22 | linuxstb | (i.e. in the theme .cfg file) |
| 14:58:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | That too |
| 14:58:44 | Massa1 | Paul_The_Nerd: that's exactly what I decide to do - but that means to read WPS information inside metadata code (which is outside the WPS parsing) |
| 14:58:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Massa1: Why metadata code? |
| 14:58:57 | nudel | it'd be cool if you could change from one theme to another without having to make sure you have copied the right size bmp files to the player |
| 14:59:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Massa1: Shouldn't the art size be read either from the .wps or the theme.cfg? |
| 14:59:14 | Massa1 | linuxstb: then you have to change that setting every time you load another WPS which is made for a different album art size? |
| 14:59:57 | linuxstb | Massa1: Of course - that's the whole point of the theme .cfg file. |
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| 15:00:21 | Massa1 | Paul_The_Nerd: because the finding and loading of the bitmap is done when the file information will be loaded - that's the metadata loading... |
| 15:01:03 | Massa1 | linuxstb: for me WPS themes are more dynamic than "normal" configuration settings... |
| 15:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Massa1: Theme files with .cfg extensions are *exactly* "normal" configuration files. |
| 15:02:53 | Massa1 | Paul_The_Nerd: of course - I know, it would be a compromise if I'm unable to do it by reading the information from WPS ;) |
| 15:03:16 | Massa1 | And I agree that the best solution would be to enable bitmap scaling... |
| 15:03:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does seem that if it's a WPS-exclusive setting, that it should be set in the .wps instead of the .cfg. |
| 15:04:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Every now and then I still browse for a specific .wps instead of changing themes because, for example, I don't want anything else to be changed but the display on my main (or remote) screen. |
| 15:05:16 | Massa1 | Paul_The_Nerd: that's exactly why I think it would be better to keep it in .wps than in .cfg |
| 15:07:17 | Massa1 | BTW, this would also enable the possibility to have different sizes for main .wps and remote .rwps (although there's currently no color remote, so this is just theoretical :o ) |
| 15:08:38 | Mikachu | Paprica: hi |
| 15:08:57 | Massa1 | linuxstb: are you still around? |
| 15:09:05 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 15:09:18 | Mikachu | Paprica: i made some more changes to xobox, i wrote comments on the @@ lines in the patch file |
| 15:09:21 | Mikachu | Paprica: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-xobox_updates.patch |
| 15:09:38 | Massa1 | inbetween I had a look at lcd_set_backdrop, lcd_get_backdrop |
| 15:10:29 | Massa1 | of course these functions don't know anything about screens. Do you know how the other functions are used? |
| 15:10:35 | safetydan | Is anyone actively working on the WPS tokenizer patch? |
| 15:11:10 | linuxstb | Massa1: You should probably add those functions to the GUI system, and change Rockbox to use those instead of the lcd functions directly. |
| 15:11:12 | Massa1 | I mean, have they have all been set as function pointers inside the gui_wps structure or something similar? |
| 15:12:06 | Massa1 | linuxstb: you think move them to the gui system? Or to write new gui_set_backdrop which then use the lcd_set_backdrop function? |
| 15:12:23 | Massa1 | safetydan: as far as I know, nobody is currently working on it... |
| 15:13:30 | linuxstb | If I'm understanding the intention of the GUI code correctly, we shouldn't be using the lcd_* functions directly any more - so yes, we should have a screen->set_backdrop() function. |
| 15:17:11 | Massa1 | linuxstb: it seems it's more work than I expected ;) |
| 15:17:34 | Massa1 | I'll have a look at it - thanks for that good discussion... |
| 15:18:00 | Massa1 | Bye everybody, I have to leave now! |
| 15:18:07 | Mmmm | see ya... |
| 15:18:18 | linuxstb | bye |
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| 15:23:58 | safetydan | Another question, should we stop refering to things as "id3" and call it "metadata" instead? |
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| 15:25:12 | BoD[] | Hello everybody ! |
| 15:25:23 | Mikachu | hi dr nick |
| 15:25:47 | BoD[] | dr nick? |
| 15:26:13 | Mikachu | a character in simpsons that always says 'hello everybody', and then everyone says 'hi dr nick' |
| 15:26:22 | BoD[] | ohhhh :) sorry |
| 15:26:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to comment that someone's been watching too much Simpsons. |
| 15:27:35 | BoD[] | I'm a "old days" user of rockbox |
| 15:27:54 | BoD[] | back when I had an archos |
| 15:28:11 | BoD[] | jbr 20 |
| 15:28:29 | BoD[] | then I lost my archos |
| 15:28:40 | BoD[] | more than a year ago I think |
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| 15:29:01 | BoD[] | then recently I bought an ipod :) and now tadaaa I'm back with rockbox again! |
| 15:33:00 | BoD[] | oh and I have a question |
| 15:33:20 | BoD[] | when moving the cursor in a list |
| 15:33:38 | BoD[] | when the cursor is on the last element and you go down again |
| 15:33:48 | BoD[] | it "warps" back to the first element |
| 15:33:53 | BoD[] | is there a way to disable this? |
| 15:34:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an open source project. There's *always* a way. :-P |
| 15:34:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | But no, I don't think there's an option for it. |
| 15:34:31 | BoD[] | yeah :) but |
| 15:34:32 | BoD[] | ah |
| 15:34:38 | BoD[] | too bad |
| 15:35:20 | BoD[] | cause on the ipod, with the wheel thinggy, it's actually easier if it stops on the boudaries |
| 15:35:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought it paused at them... |
| 15:35:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, not ipod |
| 15:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | =/ |
| 15:36:04 | BoD[] | hmm? |
| 15:36:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | The behaviour on other units is that scroll stops at the end of a list, and then if you start scrolling again in the same direction, *then* it wraps. |
| 15:37:11 | BoD[] | ohhh |
| 15:37:15 | BoD[] | that's clever |
| 15:37:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's very convenient. |
| 15:37:29 | linuxstb | I agree - I would prefer the wheel to never wrap around. But the existing code that does that is based on repeat events - which don't occur with the wheel. |
| 15:37:50 | BoD[] | hmmm |
| 15:38:09 | BoD[] | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:38:10 | BoD[] | :) |
| 15:38:17 | Mikachu | you could eat maybe 10 events before you wrap? |
| 15:38:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably only need 3 or 4 |
| 15:38:48 | BoD[] | i think it's a "time" thing |
| 15:39:25 | BoD[] | if there's a pause between 2 groups of events, then it's 2 separate "user gestures" |
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| 15:52:35 | muesli__ | damaki? |
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| 15:53:54 | muesli__ | any french fries here? |
| 15:54:32 | linuxstb | Mikachu, Paul_The_Nerd: Do you have problems with the keys being unresponsive after turning hold on/off on your Nanos? |
| 15:55:06 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 15:55:16 | Mikachu | sometimes it works fine several times and sometimes it takes a few tries |
| 15:55:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I reported that the day after the change was made that keeps scroll events from queuing. |
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| 15:56:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: After hold has been toggled, at least one scroll event seems to need to register before keypresses will, as far as I can tell |
| 15:56:42 | Mikachu | i thought that too, but pressing select without touching the scroll wheel works fine |
| 15:56:50 | Mikachu | sometimes.. :) |
| 15:57:32 | BoD[] | muesli__: ? |
| 15:57:53 | linuxstb | I'm find that when playing pacbox on my 5g, Rockbox sometimes completely refuses to register any more keypresses after toggling hold. |
| 15:58:22 | muesli__ | yopp, on iriver too |
| 15:58:30 | muesli__ | hold IS hold |
| 15:58:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I encountered that in pacbox too. It will eventually, though. |
| 15:58:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | muesli__: Toggling. Hold on, then off again. |
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| 16:00:41 | Paprica | linuxstb, have you try xobox on your video? |
| 16:01:31 | linuxstb | Paprica: Yes, it seems to work nicely. |
| 16:01:32 | muesli__ | BoD[] do you speak french? |
| 16:01:44 | Paprica | ok =] |
| 16:06:11 | BoD[] | oui |
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| 16:11:27 | muesli__ | Bonjour, quel est la date d'achat ainsi que le prix et le nom du fournisseur? could u translate that pls? |
| 16:13:03 | BoD[] | Hello, what's the purchasing date, the price, and the supplier name |
| 16:14:42 | muesli__ | thx m8 |
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| 16:16:22 | safetydan | The iPod has a hold switch right? |
| 16:16:30 | Mikachu | yeah |
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| 16:17:09 | safetydan | So the WPS code should probably allow the hold switch flag for iPod then |
| 16:17:28 | Mikachu | i get the little thing in the status bar |
| 16:17:38 | safetydan | interesting |
| 16:18:11 | safetydan | The %mh code is #ifdef'd out for anything other than h100 and h300 |
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| 16:26:51 | safetydan | it's very annoying when patches do unneeded formatting changes as well |
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| 16:44:13 | lostlogic | amiconn: WRT dice on player, I'll test it on my player... since I have one. it'll need adjusting to only use the limited display size available, which will also limit the number of dice it can roll. |
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| 16:56:56 | nudel | I like the idea of the EQ WPS patch (http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4780) but doesn't it means you have to make 45 (9*5) images which is too many for a WPS? If you could reuse images at differnet offsets for differnet tags then you'd only need a single image, but I don't think you can do that. |
| 16:59:18 | safetydan | nudel, image reuse is something I'm looking in to, but I'd like to clean up the WPS parsing code first |
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| 17:39:18 | amiconn | lostlogic: Please do that. Not only does dice not display correctly, but it also disturbs display in general |
| 17:39:51 | amiconn | My guess is that it causes out-of-range accesses, overwriting innocent data |
| 17:40:13 | amiconn | I'm not sure, but afaik the player display code does no clipping |
| 17:40:25 | amiconn | Well, at least not in all directions |
| 17:41:28 | mirak | hello |
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| 18:01:15 | amiconn | nudel: Using one .bmp for all wps image snippets is something I want to see for a long time... |
| 18:01:31 | amiconn | (although *I* have no single bitmap in any of my wps'es) |
| 18:02:00 | Mikachu | wouldn't that just make making wpses harder? |
| 18:02:09 | safetydan | amiconn, actually I think we was talking about reusing the same image multiple times |
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| 18:03:56 | amiconn | Mikachu: Not much imho. But it would (1) make loading wps'es way faster and (2) significantly reduce disk space waste |
| 18:05:10 | Mikachu | you mean from blocksize waste? |
| 18:06:22 | amiconn | FAT allocates space in whole clusters |
| 18:06:42 | Mikachu | how large are those usually? |
| 18:06:43 | amiconn | ..meaning even a few-byte .bmp takes 32KB on a 40GB FAT32 partition |
| 18:07:02 | amiconn | Take that times 50 for some wps'es... |
| 18:07:24 | Mikachu | on my nano it seems the cluster size is 4kB |
| 18:08:22 | Mikachu | yeah, du -hsc in wps/ gives 1.9M while −−apparent-size gives only 337kB |
| 18:10:30 | amiconn | Imagine that on a 40GB iPod or iriver... |
| 18:10:50 | Mikachu | is it possible to use 4kB clustersize on 40GB partitions? |
| 18:11:23 | amiconn | Theoretically yes, but it would increase the FAT size significantly and hence slow down file operations |
| 18:11:25 | Mikachu | mkdosfs has a -s sectors-per-cluster |
| 18:11:44 | amiconn | There's a reason why the cluster size defaults are as they are |
| 18:12:12 | Lynx_ | hmm |
| 18:12:14 | Mikachu | in essence fat isn't very good :) |
| 18:12:27 | Lynx_ | i just plugged my h300 into usb while i think it was still booting |
| 18:12:42 | Lynx_ | windows did not find it, and i uplugged usb again |
| 18:12:56 | Lynx_ | now i get the status bar, and a blank screen |
| 18:12:56 | herz42_ | as I know, number of clusters must fit in a 32bit number, maybe even a signed one... |
| 18:13:10 | amiconn | Mikachu: On my H340 du -hsc wps/ gives 13MB ... |
| 18:13:22 | amiconn | herz42_: 28 bit unsigned |
| 18:13:24 | Lynx_ | and it complains about no rockbox directory, installation incomplete |
| 18:13:24 | Mikachu | i only had the default ones and my own |
| 18:13:31 | Mikachu | i just removed the ones i don't use |
| 18:13:37 | Mikachu | so now it's only 180kB |
| 18:14:08 | herz42_ | ahh ok |
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| 18:14:44 | Mikachu | amiconn: i see your point then |
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| 18:29:03 | * | webguest06 was reading logs and saw this "<amiconn> I was looking at http://www.nudel.dsl.pipex.com/rbt_doh.png . Lots of wasted space; this wps doesn't have any more info than my standard archos recorder wps" |
| 18:29:28 | webguest06 | I think amiconn is missing the point. "How much info can we cram into the screen" isn't very .. pretty or pleasing to the eye |
| 18:29:54 | webguest06 | Wasted space is a bonus, if you don't need it (well, to a certain degree anyway) |
| 18:31:28 | webguest06 | anyway |
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| 18:39:45 | MarcoPolo | how big can be rockbox logo at start ? |
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| 18:42:00 | safetydan | MarcoPolo, depends on the resolution of the target |
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| 18:55:52 | MarcoPolo | safetydan: well, if it's 320x240 ? |
| 18:56:39 | MarcoPolo | safetydan: will it load a 320x240 file ? or I have to use a 320x98x16 like the current one ? |
| 18:58:00 | safetydan | MarcoPolo, probably it will load whatever you give it |
| 18:58:12 | MarcoPolo | nice :) |
| 18:58:19 | safetydan | but the layout of the screen does make some assumptions about the height of the logo |
| 18:58:40 | MarcoPolo | safetydan: you mean ? |
| 18:58:45 | linuxstb | MarcoPolo: The code to display it is show_logo() in apps/misc.c |
| 18:58:49 | MarcoPolo | oki :) |
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| 19:10:36 | lostlogic | amiconn: my player's not booting anymore (hard disk error it seems) can you test a dice.rock? (or anyone else with an archos player) |
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| 19:10:53 | amiconn | Don't have my player with me now |
| 19:11:07 | amiconn | Can test later this evening if no-one else does before |
| 19:11:20 | amiconn | Did you test it in the sim? |
| 19:11:31 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a way to switch between Apple's original and Rockbox's OSes? If this is already in FAQ then provide a link to it please :) |
| 19:11:40 | lostlogic | amiconn: no, will try |
| 19:14:42 | bluey | press Menu while booting to enter Apple OS |
| 19:15:16 | safetydan | fantomas, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodTips#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
| 19:16:24 | fantomas | safetydan: oh, thanks, I see now :) |
| 19:16:37 | fantomas | i stupid |
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| 19:29:25 | yeahx | I haven't updated my nano all week |
| 19:29:39 | Mikachu | wow, you missed out on the 3d animated menus |
| 19:29:44 | yeahx | I never see anything that looks like it will matter on the list, but I dont know anything |
| 19:29:51 | yeahx | haha sure |
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| 19:31:49 | Adrian | hi I have a question |
| 19:32:24 | Jury | like what |
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| 19:35:11 | Adrian | is there any way to run linux when i have a rockbox on my ipod?? |
| 19:35:22 | Mikachu | yes, hold play while you boot |
| 19:35:30 | Mikachu | and put linux.bin in / on your fat partition |
| 19:35:44 | fantomas | Strange. When I umount my iPod I still see "Do not disconnect" message on screen. |
| 19:35:56 | Adrian | yes i did this but its say linux error: -1 |
| 19:36:08 | Mikachu | fantomas: you can 'eject /dev/sda' |
| 19:36:29 | Adrian | i dont know what is wrong |
| 19:36:37 | fantomas | Mikachu: before umount or after? |
| 19:36:56 | Mikachu | fantomas: you can do it instead of umount, it will automatically umount all mounts from that device |
| 19:37:25 | fantomas | Mikachu: aneganov@deb02:~$ eject /dev/ipod \n eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 19:37:35 | Mikachu | are you root? |
| 19:37:41 | fantomas | Mikachu: no |
| 19:37:53 | linuxstb | Adrian: "linux error: -1" means that there isn't a file called "linux.bin" in the top-level (root) of your FAT32 partition. |
| 19:38:08 | fantomas | Mikachu: same under root, just checked |
| 19:38:10 | Adrian | ok i try it |
| 19:38:35 | Mikachu | fantomas: is the symlink pointing correctly? |
| 19:38:43 | Adrian | thanks |
| 19:38:45 | Mikachu | fantomas: sometimes the node number changes |
| 19:38:48 | yeahx | is there a linux.bin already for the nano or do you have to screw around with terminal? |
| 19:38:59 | Mikachu | ipl provide daily builds |
| 19:39:04 | fantomas | Mikachu: its not symlink, its a device, I use udev |
| 19:39:09 | yeahx | neato |
| 19:39:17 | Mikachu | fantomas: so it's sda2? |
| 19:39:27 | Mikachu | although i think eject should work on any device |
| 19:39:32 | yeahx | and I can create a partition without wiping the nano? |
| 19:39:46 | Mikachu | yes and no |
| 19:39:52 | fantomas | Mikachu: no sda's or sdb's :) Just /dev/ipod :) |
| 19:39:55 | Adrian | what should i install first linux and floydzilla or rockbox?? |
| 19:40:03 | Shadowarrior13 | Linux. |
| 19:40:08 | Adrian | ok |
| 19:40:08 | fantomas | Mikachu: ok, I think I need to read about eject and how its work |
| 19:40:09 | Shadowarrior13 | Roxkbox isn't really an install. |
| 19:40:14 | Shadowarrior13 | It's just an unzip :P |
| 19:40:27 | Mikachu | fantomas: you know how device files work? you have sda for the whole device, then sda<number> for each partition |
| 19:41:01 | fantomas | Mikachu: yes I have /dev/ipod and /dev/ipod<number> for each partition |
| 19:41:06 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 19:41:29 | Mikachu | what kernel are you running? i'm not sure if it works before 2.6 |
| 19:41:33 | lostlogic | amiconn: I'm committing a dice that seems quite usable on the player sim and never writes mroe than 2 lines, test later if you please. |
| 19:41:36 | Adrian | i have a install of rockbox |
| 19:41:39 | bluey | no flame but imho ipl is not more than a toy |
| 19:41:49 | fantomas | Mikachu: 2.6.13 |
| 19:41:56 | Mikachu | should work then.. |
| 19:42:06 | Mikachu | maybe your eject is too old? i have 2.1.4 |
| 19:42:37 | yeahx | thats what I think about ipl too |
| 19:42:41 | yeahx | on the nano anyway |
| 19:42:51 | Mikachu | i never got ipl to play music :) |
| 19:43:06 | yeahx | on the DS it can go online at least :) |
| 19:43:12 | yeahx | linux I mean |
| 19:43:22 | Adrian | from where can i get linux.bat?? |
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| 19:43:42 | Adrian | sorry linux.bin |
| 19:43:48 | Mikachu | ipodlinux.org |
| 19:43:54 | fantomas | Mikachu: Yes its older here 2.0.13 |
| 19:43:59 | Mikachu | maybe that's it |
| 19:44:10 | fantomas | Mikachu: yep. Will try to upgrade |
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| 19:48:22 | yeahx | can it even play videos? |
| 19:48:44 | yeahx | my friend has bugged the hell out of me to put ipl on my nano so I can test out videos he encodes |
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| 19:51:49 | Adrian | sorry where is this FAT32 partition root?? |
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| 19:54:13 | Adrian | ok i found it |
| 19:54:26 | Adrian | Thanks Guys |
| 19:55:04 | Adrian | now its work fine |
| 19:55:08 | Adrian | :) |
| 19:58:10 | MarcoPolo | would this patch work on ipod or is it really iriver specific ?http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/3001 |
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| 20:02:19 | safetydan | MarcoPolo, it will probably help iPod's but at the moment it looks pretty specific to the battery types found in the iRiver's |
| 20:02:27 | safetydan | Help iPod's in the end that is |
| 20:04:37 | MarcoPolo | that is ? |
| 20:05:12 | Kohlrabi | later |
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| 20:06:37 | safetydan | As in it will probably help iPod's in the end, but right now it looks iRiver specific. |
| 20:06:45 | MarcoPolo | ok |
| 20:06:56 | MarcoPolo | i'm gonna try it this week then :) |
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| 20:08:57 | safetydan | at your own risk of course |
| 20:10:07 | MarcoPolo | it's not my first patch ;-) (and i'll keep a copy of my current rockbox.ipod) |
| 20:10:18 | yeahx | knowing battery life would be handy |
| 20:10:27 | t0mas | preglow: for playing around with a cutoff in the dsp code... how optimized is memmove? |
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| 20:12:56 | yeahx | how big should the ipl partition be again? 80mb? |
| 20:13:29 | t0mas | you might want to ask the ipl people... |
| 20:13:33 | t0mas | #ipodlinux |
| 20:13:34 | Shadowarrior13 | lmao |
| 20:13:47 | Shadowarrior13 | The two channels have gotten mixed up a bit lately, eh? :P |
| 20:14:10 | yeahx | yip |
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| 20:18:07 | * | Cillian hugs the rockbox people for making my ipod even cooler, and allowing me to play oggs |
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| 20:19:12 | * | t0mas wonders why there is such a difference between ipod users and archos users... |
| 20:19:55 | dpassen1 | where do iriver owners fit in |
| 20:19:55 | Shadowarrior13 | The ipod is better. |
| 20:20:04 | Shadowarrior13 | It owns all of you. |
| 20:20:09 | t0mas | iriver users fit somewhere in between |
| 20:20:11 | * | Shadowarrior13 waves it around |
| 20:20:32 | t0mas | as in: iriver has some stupid users... ipod has way more stupid users... |
| 20:20:41 | t0mas | the ipl people really have trouble with all questions they get |
| 20:20:53 | linuxstb | It's simply that there are _way_ more ipod users in the world. |
| 20:21:01 | t0mas | (remember: I'm not saying that all ipod users are stupid) |
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| 20:21:14 | Shadowarrior13 | And you'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes... |
| 20:22:02 | t0mas | well... there are more ipods... but do you agree with me that it are more the geeky people buying iriver.archos players? |
| 20:22:04 | youngcereal | i think how many users use windows and that is realy a shit produkt more users not a better produkt |
| 20:22:05 | youngcereal | ;) |
| 20:22:28 | t0mas | and more general public buying ipods? |
| 20:22:34 | t0mas | just because they're more... well known? |
| 20:22:40 | Shadowarrior13 | I think on how many people rip on windows because they want to fit in. More people dissing it doesn't mean it's a bad product... |
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| 20:23:58 | t0mas | no, people bashing windows while woluntairy using it are just stupid... |
| 20:24:08 | Shadowarrior13 | That as well. |
| 20:24:09 | t0mas | *voluntairy |
| 20:24:16 | Shadowarrior13 | voluntarily* |
| 20:24:22 | t0mas | that's what I mean :P |
| 20:24:23 | Shadowarrior13 | ^_^ |
| 20:24:36 | youngcereal | is at the moment a depatation day |
| 20:24:37 | youngcereal | ;) |
| 20:24:46 | yeahx | I almost got an iriver for ogg and radio |
| 20:24:55 | t0mas | but come on |
| 20:25:12 | t0mas | there are to much people screaming "Wind0wze sucks!1!" |
| 20:25:16 | yeahx | but I already wanted the nano and it was 1gb more for only like $20 more |
| 20:25:16 | t0mas | (in that way of typing) |
| 20:25:24 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, it all kind of blurs together. |
| 20:25:31 | yeahx | there are? I never see it |
| 20:25:39 | t0mas | while they have never even tried to install linux |
| 20:25:50 | youngcereal | i am a mac and linux |
| 20:26:07 | Shadowarrior13 | You're a mac? |
| 20:26:09 | t0mas | I am using Linux and Windows... |
| 20:26:10 | youngcereal | i never use micro ...... shit |
| 20:26:12 | Shadowarrior13 | How'd you pull that off? |
| 20:26:23 | t0mas | Shadowarrior13: the first self thinking max |
| 20:26:26 | t0mas | *mac |
| 20:26:35 | Shadowarrior13 | I didn't notice the thinking part... |
| 20:26:38 | t0mas | well ok |
| 20:26:40 | Shadowarrior13 | Ooooh snap |
| 20:26:46 | t0mas | but it looks like it's not a standard mac :P |
| 20:26:54 | Shadowarrior13 | It's a lisa >.> |
| 20:27:01 | t0mas | it's the IRC-bot version ;) |
| 20:27:01 | youngcereal | yes |
| 20:27:11 | youngcereal | lisa with linux cool |
| 20:27:42 | yeahx | more like Eliza or Azile :) |
| 20:28:03 | youngcereal | or a newton with linux |
| 20:28:12 | amiconn | t0mas: One of the differences is that archoses existed before iPods |
| 20:28:23 | t0mas | yeah... |
| 20:28:27 | t0mas | but iriver's didn't |
| 20:28:30 | t0mas | *irivers |
| 20:28:45 | amiconn | true |
| 20:28:49 | yeahx | yeh I had one, and it blew hard, I got it cause I couldnt afford an ipod and best buy didnt have em yet |
| 20:28:49 | amiconn | bl |
| 20:29:14 | youngcereal | amiconn; forgot it this people only whant bla bla no logic ;) |
| 20:29:16 | amiconn | yeahx: Back in 2000 there were no iPods |
| 20:29:32 | | Part amiconn |
| 20:29:39 | Shadowarrior13 | 2001, I think. |
| 20:29:39 | yeahx | I had a Rio500 |
| 20:29:48 | yeahx | there were archos back then? |
| 20:29:52 | Shadowarrior13 | Man, those first iPods were huge. |
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| 20:30:30 | yeahx | I had 2g and 3g |
| 20:30:32 | youngcereal | ipod is cam 1999 |
| 20:30:35 | youngcereal | the first |
| 20:30:47 | yeahx | what about the archos 20gb crap? |
| 20:30:48 | youngcereal | and archos are on 1998 or 1999 |
| 20:31:01 | yeahx | I melted mine and used my replacement plan to get an ipod :) |
| 20:31:12 | youngcereal | rio wars the first on 1995 or 1996 |
| 20:31:12 | Shadowarrior13 | I wanted a 3G, it's beautiful. |
| 20:31:13 | youngcereal | ;) |
| 20:31:17 | Shadowarrior13 | They should bring that button scheme back. |
| 20:31:29 | yeahx | I didnt know archos had them that long ago |
| 20:31:40 | yeahx | do archos still suck? |
| 20:32:22 | yeahx | my rio500 was awesome, its known as their best mp3 player, after that they went down hill, it seems like the recent ones are decent though |
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| 20:32:40 | yeahx | by looks anyway :) |
| 20:32:52 | Inc | any chance of creative zen vision support? |
| 20:33:06 | t0mas | if someone wants to code it: yes |
| 20:33:17 | Inc | heh |
| 20:33:54 | | Part Inc ("= OUT!") |
| 20:34:28 | | Join Inc [0] (i=xsst4@isafailure.com) |
| 20:37:28 | Inc | I have a question if any developers are around |
| 20:38:11 | Mikachu | there usually is |
| 20:38:12 | Inc | who assigns the hostmasks' cause they messded up and assignded one to someone who hadn't even heard of the project. |
| 20:38:35 | safetydan | Inc, I believe t0mas as the one handling that |
| 20:39:21 | t0mas | nick? |
| 20:39:32 | t0mas | preglw ? |
| 20:39:58 | Inc | t0mas, Yamabushi |
| 20:40:03 | t0mas | :| |
| 20:40:18 | Mikachu | heh, n=Yamabush@rockbox/developer/Badger |
| 20:40:21 | t0mas | lol |
| 20:40:24 | Inc | yeh. |
| 20:40:25 | midkay | haha. |
| 20:40:27 | t0mas | Badger -> Bagder |
| 20:40:45 | Inc | :) |
| 20:41:11 | Inc | typo eh |
| 20:41:12 | t0mas | someone at freenode is really bad at copy/paste-ing nicknames |
| 20:41:14 | t0mas | "Bagder should have rockbox/developer/Bagder" |
| 20:41:32 | t0mas | was in the e-mail |
| 20:41:43 | Inc | heh |
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| 20:42:16 | Mikachu | where did they get yamabushi from? |
| 20:42:31 | Inc | he owns the nick badger |
| 20:42:35 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:43:40 | t0mas | fixed |
| 20:43:52 | t0mas | * [Yamabushi] (n=Yamabush@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 20:43:52 | Inc | heh |
| 20:43:56 | Inc | thanks |
| 20:44:15 | Inc | yeh let me know if or when you guy's support the creative zen vision heh. |
| 20:44:17 | Inc | lyz |
| 20:44:28 | Inc | pleasure chatting with you |
| 20:44:30 | | Part Inc ("= OUT!") |
| 20:46:08 | Adrian | one more can anyone help me with the patchs |
| 20:46:34 | Adrian | how to puts it to a rockbox |
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| 20:50:32 | midkay | Adrian, you need to be able to compile rockbox.. |
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| 20:54:41 | t0mas | Moos is slowly becomming DrMoos? |
| 20:55:19 | midkay | hey. cool. i just got my little.. nick.. hostmask.. thingamabobby. ;) |
| 20:55:23 | midkay | thanks t0mas! |
| 20:55:35 | t0mas | no problem |
| 20:55:49 | t0mas | I just had to get some staffer working for that wrong cloak |
| 20:56:02 | t0mas | so I asked them to get the last part of my list done too :) |
| 20:56:17 | midkay | darn slackers ;) |
| 20:56:43 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 20:56:58 | t0mas | they take some time to get through |
| 20:57:07 | t0mas | but if you finally find one, it's done in 5 min. |
| 20:57:36 | midkay | haha, yeah. :) |
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| 21:00:51 | DrMoos | t0mas: I'am, DrMoos is my ghost nick ;) |
| 21:01:26 | t0mas | lots of disconnects? |
| 21:01:56 | DrMoos | time to time |
| 21:03:52 | * | DrMoos don't remenber the irc command for kill his ghost |
| 21:04:12 | t0mas | /nickserv help ghost |
| 21:04:19 | DrMoos | thanks |
| 21:04:20 | t0mas | it will tell you how it works |
| 21:05:27 | sharpe | hmm... some odd movie is on lifetime... |
| 21:07:39 | sharpe | um... sorry... |
| 21:08:16 | sharpe | oh, found that chapstick... |
| 21:09:29 | Paprica | t0mas, what about my host? |
| 21:10:17 | * | t0mas wonders where it has gone |
| 21:10:28 | midkay | haha. |
| 21:10:31 | | Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 21:10:35 | midkay | those darn freenode nutcases.. :) |
| 21:10:38 | | Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m77.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 21:10:44 | t0mas | no, this might be me :) |
| 21:11:27 | midkay | Paprica, uummmm, i think they ran into the limit on the number of nicks that can have custom hostnames. yeah. so they took it off you and gave it to me. because i'm more special than you. |
| 21:11:28 | midkay | ;) |
| 21:12:01 | t0mas | no, he never had one ;) |
| 21:12:08 | midkay | oh. |
| 21:12:12 | midkay | i was thinking preglow. |
| 21:12:12 | * | Paprica takes midkay host |
| 21:12:19 | midkay | move along.. |
| 21:12:21 | * | midkay slips away |
| 21:12:23 | Paprica | vhost* |
| 21:12:26 | t0mas | wow |
| 21:12:31 | t0mas | how did you do that Paprica? ;) |
| 21:12:37 | t0mas | [21:13:46] * [Paprica] (i=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica): Paprica@gmail.com |
| 21:12:51 | Paprica | it's a magic, i cant tell u |
| 21:12:53 | * | t0mas will ask a new one for midkay ;) |
| 21:12:58 | midkay | omg, he's a wizard. |
| 21:13:07 | midkay | hey. what. stop it!! :) |
| 21:13:15 | sharpe | i feel so left out. heh... |
| 21:13:42 | t0mas | then develop something |
| 21:13:44 | midkay | sharpe, did you finish compressed zip decompression? |
| 21:13:52 | t0mas | convince Linus/Bagder that you really need CVS access for it |
| 21:13:55 | midkay | :) |
| 21:13:56 | t0mas | and get one yourself ;) |
| 21:13:58 | midkay | haha. lie. :) |
| 21:14:28 | midkay | "hey linus, what's happening... yeah, um, i'm gonna need to be updating this all the time, so.. if you could just give me cvs access.. that'd be great." :) |
| 21:14:36 | sharpe | nope haven't yet, couldn't find any source that didn't use zlib or gzip... or whatever there is... |
| 21:14:50 | midkay | sharpe, btw, "just kidding". :) |
| 21:14:55 | sharpe | "especially since you don't know me, could i get cvs access?" :) |
| 21:15:09 | XavierGr | what? cvs access give away? I want one too!! :D |
| 21:15:16 | sharpe | i'll be back... |
| 21:15:18 | midkay | haha. |
| 21:16:16 | safetydan | woo... my experiments with a new wps parser/tokenizer seem to be working... now to try and get it to actually do something |
| 21:16:27 | midkay | safetydan, haha - what does it do? |
| 21:16:32 | XavierGr | new wps parser? what's new? |
| 21:16:43 | safetydan | hopefully it's easier to extend |
| 21:16:49 | safetydan | and uses less memory |
| 21:16:56 | XavierGr | now that is nice |
| 21:17:04 | midkay | safetydan, good. i went looking to add a new alignment tag.. it was nutso complex.. |
| 21:17:13 | midkay | it was terrifying. |
| 21:17:17 | t0mas | safetydan: I am thinking about adding some WPS stuff again |
| 21:17:20 | t0mas | so hurry :P |
| 21:17:28 | safetydan | gwps-common.c is about 2300 lines |
| 21:17:33 | safetydan | that's a little too long for my liking |
| 21:17:37 | XavierGr | so what happened to the copy paste work. no go? (still big filesize?) |
| 21:18:02 | safetydan | XavierGr, really it actually needs more testing |
| 21:18:15 | safetydan | the filesize thing I'm hoping to work around by making other parts of Rockbox smaller :) |
| 21:18:28 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 21:18:35 | XavierGr | good, good... |
| 21:18:54 | safetydan | So far I've only heard of one person actually using it. |
| 21:19:28 | t0mas | I was thinking about making a custom peak meter |
| 21:19:34 | t0mas | like the iriver original WPS has... |
| 21:19:35 | sharpe | i'm back! the world is now safe again... |
| 21:19:46 | Paprica | t0mas, do it. |
| 21:20:16 | t0mas | yeah, but a lot of things changed since my last WPS action :) |
| 21:20:26 | t0mas | so I'll wait for the new parser |
| 21:20:32 | t0mas | and then re-learn the wps code |
| 21:21:18 | safetydan | It could be a while. The WPS code isn't exactly a simple thing to replace. |
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| 21:21:29 | midkay | t0mas, that'd be really cool.. i'd also like to add some color to the current one (a green->red gradient?..) |
| 21:21:30 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 21:21:48 | t0mas | bmp? |
| 21:21:52 | t0mas | oh wait |
| 21:21:52 | sharpe | a gradient peak meter would be cool... |
| 21:21:53 | t0mas | the peak meter |
| 21:22:06 | t0mas | well... I was thinking about using an image for it |
| 21:22:14 | t0mas | so you define 1 image as "the peakmeter image" |
| 21:22:27 | Mikachu | like the progress bar |
| 21:22:28 | sharpe | and have like a mask over it? |
| 21:22:36 | t0mas | like the progress bar yes |
| 21:23:42 | sharpe | what should i add to the zip plugin? |
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| 21:24:23 | midkay | t0mas, that's interesting |
| 21:24:54 | t0mas | but it was just a tought... so don't expect it to be there in 3 days :) |
| 21:26:52 | sharpe | i thought lifetime was supposed to be a family oriented channel kind of thing... |
| 21:35:17 | sharpe | if you bought one of the sony cds with the rootkit on it, you're entitled to a free copy of the cd, $7.50, and album downloads... |
| 21:43:21 | sharpe | i have an idea! |
| 21:43:53 | midkay | wow, let's hear it pls. |
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| 21:46:17 | sharpe | we make a file format for a wps... that'd include all associated files with the wps... it's just like what someone said about a use for the uncompressed zip... except, we make our own compression format! ahah! because, i'm so bored... |
| 21:46:39 | ens04 | hi, i was wondering if I install rockbox, will that void my warranty with apple? |
| 21:46:53 | midkay | sharpe, haha. :) |
| 21:47:00 | linuxstb | ens04: Only Apple can answer that. |
| 21:47:08 | ens04 | oh |
| 21:47:26 | sharpe | and it's almost always possible to reinstall the apple firmware... |
| 21:47:28 | midkay | ens04, probably. |
| 21:47:34 | linuxstb | But both Archos and iriver (makers of other mp3 players that Rockbox runs on) have refused to service players with Rockbox installed on them. |
| 21:47:40 | sharpe | from what i've done anyway. |
| 21:48:00 | Mikachu | but for those players, you actually reflash some firmware chip right? |
| 21:48:04 | ens04 | can rockbox make the ipod 5g play games? |
| 21:48:09 | linuxstb | But yes, unless you have a serious hardware problem, you can always just uninstall Rockbox and Apple will never know. |
| 21:48:11 | zoneout | ens04: sure can |
| 21:48:15 | ens04 | what kind of games? |
| 21:48:24 | zoneout | ens04: crap ones :) |
| 21:48:32 | ens04 | oh |
| 21:48:36 | zoneout | ens04: nah.. some seem quite good :) |
| 21:48:41 | sharpe | pretty much the ones installed with the apple firmware, and more... |
| 21:48:41 | zoneout | better than the normal ipod ones anyway |
| 21:48:52 | linuxstb | ens04: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 21:48:58 | zoneout | bejewled is pretty cool |
| 21:49:00 | sharpe | minus... three of them... |
| 21:49:05 | zoneout | there's chess too |
| 21:49:23 | sharpe | i'm just like that guy who inserts himself into everyone's conversation |
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| 21:49:35 | sharpe | and it's really hot in here all of a sudden. |
| 21:50:03 | midkay | please leave your clothes on. :( |
| 21:50:06 | midkay | or LEAVE. |
| 21:50:42 | sharpe | i'm talking about in my house... |
| 21:50:47 | midkay | oh. |
| 21:50:58 | midkay | yeah. i knew that. |
| 21:51:04 | midkay | just.. testing you. |
| 21:51:20 | sharpe | like, 25.5 degrees celsius |
| 21:51:36 | safetydan | sharpe, the idea of a combined WPS format has been suggested before. No one was stepped up and written the code though. |
| 21:51:49 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 21:51:54 | midkay | sharpe, that's almost _26 degrees celcius_!! |
| 21:51:56 | safetydan | tar format might be a better idea |
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| 21:52:11 | sharpe | true |
| 21:52:24 | Massa1 | Hi everybody! |
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| 21:52:33 | sharpe | let me check the differences between the tar and uncompressed format... |
| 21:52:37 | safetydan | though does tar have an offset table for random access? |
| 21:52:38 | sharpe | zip format i mean |
| 21:52:44 | sharpe | um... |
| 21:52:47 | sharpe | i couldn't tell you. |
| 21:53:45 | safetydan | Good thing you're researching it so you can write the code then :) |
| 21:53:48 | sharpe | the tar would take up more space than an uncompressed zip... |
| 21:54:16 | linuxstb | safetydan: You don't even need random access if you're loading a WPS from a .tar file - you will always load all the files. |
| 21:54:27 | Massa1 | linuxstb: still here ;) ? |
| 21:54:27 | midkay | sharpe, so.. tar takes more space, is harder to decompress, and less common.. hmm. the clear winner is tar. |
| 21:54:37 | sharpe | lol |
| 21:55:10 | safetydan | linuxstb, of course... should have though it through |
| 21:55:13 | sharpe | tar isn't compressed midkay... |
| 21:55:14 | safetydan | thought even |
| 21:55:34 | safetydan | sharpe, probably not a good idea to compress them |
| 21:55:41 | midkay | sharpe, ah.. |
| 21:55:42 | safetydan | just adds complexity |
| 21:55:48 | midkay | yeah. that. |
| 21:56:47 | sharpe | so... we use an existing format, or define a new one, and see how that goes...? |
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| 21:57:28 | midkay | i'd say existing.. |
| 21:58:05 | safetydan | existing is best to start with so you can use existing tools |
| 21:58:16 | sharpe | could get a tiny bit more space out of a new one, to not deal with unneeded stuff... |
| 21:58:43 | Massa1 | linuxstb: I just had some time to finish the first version (quick'n dirty) of moving the backdrop functionality inside the wps_data structure :) |
| 21:58:51 | midkay | sharpe, "could".. but better to go existing + compatible than new + unfamiliar, imo.. |
| 21:59:00 | sharpe | :) |
| 21:59:52 | Massa1 | seems to work O.K. - now I'll cleanup the code and make it the "better way" :) |
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| 22:00:30 | sharpe | i'm thinking... uncompressed zip format then? |
| 22:01:06 | midkay | sharpe, sounds good |
| 22:01:32 | Massa1 | linuxstb? No longer available? |
| 22:01:34 | midkay | sharpe, maybe it'd be nice to scan for a .wps file inside any zip archive first (in the root of the folder) and prompt to load it or something. :) |
| 22:01:40 | midkay | -folder+archive |
| 22:01:47 | sharpe | he... |
| 22:01:51 | linuxstb | Massa1: Yes, I'm around... |
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| 22:02:08 | sharpe | gah... it's hot any it's colder outside than it is in here... |
| 22:02:13 | sharpe | and... |
| 22:02:52 | Massa1 | linuxstb: do you remember for what purpose the "old_backdrop" in gwps.c is? Why do you need to store and restore it? |
| 22:03:50 | linuxstb | That's to restore the backdrop used in the rest of Rockbox when the WPS screen exits, or the WPS screen calls the main menu. |
| 22:04:26 | sharpe | i've never used a backdrop in rockbox... i dunno why... |
| 22:04:38 | Massa1 | isn't that called "background" and is stored in a different variable? |
| 22:05:00 | linuxstb | background could be the background color. |
| 22:06:39 | Massa1 | So to move it completely to the gui_wps structure, I would have to store the backdrop of "all" screens? |
| 22:07:22 | linuxstb | I think so, yes. |
| 22:08:33 | Massa1 | Does this make sense - waste memory for that just in the case that in some time in the future a remote could also have a backdrop? |
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| 22:09:48 | sharpe | eh, yay maintenance |
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| 22:10:14 | Mikachu | tar is hardly uncommon |
| 22:10:31 | BHSPitLappy | indeed |
| 22:10:37 | BHSPitLappy | unless you're a windows user |
| 22:10:43 | * | BHSPitLappy spits at midkay |
| 22:10:47 | Massa1 | Oh, I have an idea - I'll store the "last" backdrop inside the related set_backdrop function (which is just an empty function for the remote atm, so it'll not waste any unnecesarry memory) :D |
| 22:11:00 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, you're funny |
| 22:11:16 | midkay | Mikachu, i didn't say it was uncommon.. i said it was _less common_. |
| 22:11:16 | sharpe | most souce code is distributed in a gzipped tar for some things... |
| 22:11:31 | BHSPitLappy | not in the linux world, midkay |
| 22:11:48 | midkay | yes, source is generally in .tar. but overall i see far more zip files than tar files. |
| 22:11:49 | BHSPitLappy | lol sharpe |
| 22:11:55 | BHSPitLappy | "most" "for some things" |
| 22:11:57 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, um, "lol". |
| 22:12:06 | Mikachu | um, "um" \"heh\" |
| 22:12:17 | sharpe | most some things... |
| 22:12:25 | sharpe | my logic confuses even myself at times. |
| 22:12:26 | Mikachu | i mean um, "um \"lol\"" |
| 22:12:41 | safetydan | whichever is easier to parse will win, be it zip or tar or something else |
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| 22:13:00 | sharpe | eh, from what i think, zip would be easier... |
| 22:13:07 | sharpe | smaller header size for each file |
| 22:13:13 | Massa1 | what about the wps_backdrop? Is this also a candidate for moving into the wps_data structure? |
| 22:13:19 | sharpe | and they're not padded to 512 bytes... |
| 22:13:49 | Massa1 | wps_backdrop = buffer which currently holds the image data... |
| 22:13:55 | Moos | Massa1: for exemple the iAudio X5 have one Grayscale remote |
| 22:14:46 | Massa1 | Moos: background images are currently only possible for color screens... |
| 22:15:06 | Moos | yes I know, I just thought for the future ;) |
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| 22:16:05 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 22:16:22 | sharpe | can you set the wps with a plugin? i haven't checked... |
| 22:17:07 | midkay | sharpe, i don't believe so, just because it's never been needed :) you could add such a function to the api.. |
| 22:17:09 | Massa1 | Moos: O.K., but there are a lot of things which have to be done for that :D |
| 22:17:30 | Moos | hehe, true :-) |
| 22:17:30 | sharpe | midkay: you and you're adding functions to the api... |
| 22:17:37 | sharpe | your |
| 22:17:44 | midkay | sharpe, you and your not-adding functions to the api. :) |
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| 22:21:28 | sharpe | oh my god... |
| 22:21:49 | Mikachu | you and your god |
| 22:22:04 | sharpe | eh, i'm more agnostic than catholic. ;) |
| 22:22:15 | muesli__ | jehova! |
| 22:22:20 | sharpe | ? |
| 22:22:32 | muesli__ | mmh |
| 22:22:43 | muesli__ | didnt see life of brian? |
| 22:22:43 | sharpe | on the movie i'm watching on lifetime, the standard chat client is... "teenplaya" |
| 22:22:49 | sharpe | nope... |
| 22:22:54 | muesli__ | soh |
| 22:22:56 | muesli__ | doh |
| 22:22:57 | BHSPitLappy | eehhhh |
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| 22:23:23 | sharpe | when i say stuff apparently it makes people type weird words and quit irc. |
| 22:23:41 | Mikachu | teenplay is not a worksafe word to google images for |
| 22:23:58 | sharpe | i would imagine not. |
| 22:24:36 | sharpe | except, it had an 'a' at the end. |
| 22:27:25 | sharpe | so, i guess i've taken the responsibility for doing the wps zip format stuff? |
| 22:29:28 | Mikachu | yeah, i missed the last a before i pressed enter |
| 22:30:05 | sharpe | and that a makes all the difference... |
| 22:30:44 | Mikachu | winamp unzips the theme to a temp dir before loading, promise you won't do that :) |
| 22:30:48 | Mikachu | and/or xmms |
| 22:30:56 | sharpe | lol |
| 22:31:08 | sharpe | aww... it's so fun using temporary files... |
| 22:32:36 | sharpe | grapefruit are cool |
| 22:32:58 | sharpe | because they have absolutely nothing similar in appearance to grapes... |
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| 22:35:15 | sharpe | lets invent transparent whiteout! |
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| 22:36:58 | nudel | I think I've finished my iPod Video theme. Not tried it on the real device yet though. Going to try it out tomorrow and put it online in the evening. http://www.nudel.dsl.pipex.com/Nudel_Green_5G_theme_beta1.zip (Needs the Album Art and Clock patches, but you can comment out the marked lines in the WPS to avoid this) |
| 22:37:10 | sharpe | um... sorry, i'll get back to my corner and code stuff now. |
| 22:37:20 | dpassen1 | screenshot? |
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| 22:37:51 | sharpe | i made a theme for my 5g video... |
| 22:38:10 | nudel | Slightly not-work safe due to the test album cover I had lying around: http://www.nudel.dsl.pipex.com/Nudel_Green_5G_theme_beta1.png |
| 22:38:35 | sharpe | hmm |
| 22:38:38 | sharpe | just slightly. |
| 22:39:37 | midkay | nudel, i'll try it now :) |
| 22:39:50 | midkay | looks quite nice |
| 22:40:11 | nudel | the menu background and colours are also set by the theme, but not very exciting |
| 22:40:22 | midkay | haha. :) |
| 22:41:17 | thegeek | that has got to be the worst album cover ever |
| 22:41:34 | thegeek | and the colors for that theme really sucks;) |
| 22:41:39 | nudel | thanks :) |
| 22:41:43 | thegeek | hehehehee;) |
| 22:41:45 | sharpe | oh the love |
| 22:41:49 | thegeek | but really |
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| 22:41:53 | nudel | i'll do some more colours later |
| 22:41:54 | thegeek | blue font on green background? |
| 22:42:07 | nudel | looks good on my monitor... not sure what it'll look like on the ipod yet |
| 22:42:14 | midkay | nudel, loading it.. |
| 22:42:18 | nudel | it's supposed to be a very dark blue |
| 22:42:24 | thegeek | blue-on-green will never ever look good anywhere |
| 22:42:43 | midkay | nudel, i like the way you added a background to the statusbar :) |
| 22:43:13 | herz42_ | nudel: what font do you use? |
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| 22:43:24 | nudel | nimbus-14 (it's set in the theme file) |
| 22:43:59 | herz42_ | hmm, on my 5g everything seems slightly off... |
| 22:44:17 | nudel | hmm might be a diff between the sim and the real thing |
| 22:44:28 | nudel | i'm copying all my music over as ogg at the moment so can't try it for real |
| 22:44:40 | herz42_ | maybe that are the missing patches. there's a line with 16|40|100|100| |
| 22:44:59 | nudel | ah, open the wps and comment out the cover-art line, and swap the clock line with the no-clock one |
| 22:45:12 | herz42_ | ok, I'll try |
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| 22:46:35 | midkay | nudel, i commented out what needed to be commented out.. using it now. looks great. :) |
| 22:46:46 | nudel | cool thanks :) |
| 22:47:09 | midkay | i like the tiny battery/volume icons, nice touches.. :) |
| 22:47:10 | nudel | if you find any gotchas PM me and i'll take a look today or tomorrow before i put it online |
| 22:47:24 | midkay | one thing.. yeah.. the track name/artist/album don't scroll? |
| 22:47:27 | nudel | yeah i wanted to have both visual and text for them |
| 22:47:29 | midkay | might not be possible.. |
| 22:47:48 | nudel | they don't scroll... not sure if scrolling works on ipod yet... i don't really like scrolling anyway so i didn't investigate much |
| 22:48:14 | midkay | got it.. (btw, it works ;) ) - coolness |
| 22:48:55 | nudel | would scrolling move the text into the album cover? or can you set a margin? |
| 22:49:03 | midkay | no margins yet :( |
| 22:49:21 | nudel | originally iw as going to have the track details on separate lines so they could use the full screen width... but i ran out of horizontal space |
| 22:49:38 | nudel | could move track details to the bottom i guess, and move the time etc. into the top-right |
| 22:49:47 | midkay | haha. :) hm.. you might make a version sans album art area? |
| 22:49:56 | nudel | yeah, that's easy enough to do |
| 22:49:59 | midkay | i never use it.. |
| 22:50:13 | midkay | imo that'd be nice :) |
| 22:50:21 | nudel | i want to make a version that can go in CVS so ipod users have a theme to play with out of the box, so that makes sense |
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| 22:51:06 | midkay | nudel, cool, this will fit well.. it's.. professional. :) |
| 22:53:18 | sharpe | mine looks... bland... |
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| 22:54:56 | Spida | hm, does rockbox support usb? how far? |
| 22:55:12 | sharpe | depends on your player... |
| 22:56:32 | nudel | midkay: http://www.nudel.dsl.pipex.com/Nudel_Green_5G_theme_beta1_nopatches.zip <−− version without the cover art (or clock) |
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| 23:00:12 | midkay | nudel, looks great |
| 23:01:32 | sharpe | i should cook something. |
| 23:01:47 | nudel | glad you like it midkay :) |
| 23:02:46 | midkay | nudel, i wish i could be better at making WPS'.. i'm mostly frustrated with the limits on the number of bitmaps, both overall and especially tag-specific (exactly ten volume levels, etc) |
| 23:03:21 | midkay | i wish gl's patch got in.. the scalable number of bitmaps for a tag.. |
| 23:04:38 | herz42_ | really looks great - I have put on the patches, but my next problem - need some album art now :) |
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| 23:06:54 | nudel | yeah, more battery levels would be good as well |
| 23:07:22 | nudel | although it's good in a way, stops people going overboard with graphics and eating up the playback buffer :) |
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| 23:08:00 | nudel | i was looking at the apple firmware and although it looks nice and minimal and clean, it's actually really badly designed.. like you can't see the volume except when changing it, which happens on a pop-up screen... |
| 23:10:13 | midkay | nudel, it's just designed for simplicity.. the volume is just a bar, it doesn't tell you much, no need to see it at all times imo.. |
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| 23:12:32 | Mikachu | sometimes i find it hard to know if the volume is too loud when listening... |
| 23:12:38 | Mikachu | since the ears adapt to the load |
| 23:13:34 | Mikachu | so i like having the volume visible in rb |
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| 23:14:10 | midkay | i'd agree, if it were a number mainly |
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| 23:25:29 | amiconn | Bah, something is wrong with buildzip.pl |
| 23:25:46 | amiconn | For some reason it includes BMP wps'es for the player (!) |
| 23:28:30 | midkay_ | hm. |
| 23:30:08 | Jury | what games do you guys got on your rockboy |
| 23:30:27 | midkay_ | Jury, none, it doesn't work so well (yet...) |
| 23:30:32 | midkay_ | lack of keys mostly, on my ipod.. |
| 23:31:02 | Jury | i use Frogger |
| 23:31:08 | Jury | you only need the arrows for it |
| 23:31:14 | midkay_ | haha, cool |
| 23:31:15 | Jury | and i play Super Mario bros deluxe |
| 23:31:22 | Jury | both good games =/ |
| 23:31:25 | midkay_ | aha.. |
| 23:31:27 | midkay_ | got an ipod? |
| 23:31:30 | Jury | 5g |
| 23:31:34 | midkay_ | cool, me too |
| 23:31:49 | Jury | you got linux + rockbox? |
| 23:32:31 | Jury | yeah i might wait till they upgrade it |
| 23:32:36 | Jury | the games kinda blow with the lack of keys |
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| 23:32:52 | sharpe | i have a gumby figurine! |
| 23:33:59 | midkay_ | congratulations, sharpe! |
| 23:34:23 | sharpe | i can now teach him, and he can make the compression routines for the zips! |
| 23:34:43 | midkay_ | haha. |
| 23:34:46 | midkay_ | :) |
| 23:38:23 | sharpe | what am i supposed to be doing? |
| 23:38:49 | midkay_ | i have a lack of knowledge in that area. |
| 23:39:06 | sharpe | as do i. |
| 23:39:08 | amiconn | lostlogic: dice.rock now works on player and does no longer confuse the lcd, but the 2 help lines at start are irritating |
| 23:40:20 | amiconn | It says </> +/- in the first line, but there are no </> buttons. I figured that you select the value to set with +/- and actually set it with Play and Stop |
| 23:44:59 | midkay_ | amiconn, i just basically added a simple variable to the rockbox code and during compile for the recorder, i get a firmware size error (too big), "making a compressed version" - do you know if this is normal or the result of what i did? |
| 23:45:08 | midkay_ | i don't remember such an error before adding the variable. |
| 23:45:18 | amiconn | It's normal, not an error |
| 23:45:33 | midkay_ | i see that it still compiles even with the "error".. but it's always like that? |
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| 23:46:00 | amiconn | Recorder firmware size is above the load size limit of the original firmware for quite some time now. |
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| 23:46:07 | amiconn | (200KB) |
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| 23:46:13 | midkay_ | ah, got it - thanks |
| 23:46:28 | Adrian | hey someone can help me with the bubbles game |
| 23:46:32 | amiconn | We need to get the .ajz below that, otherwise rockbox won't load on an unflashed / unflashable box |
| 23:46:44 | amiconn | So I made a self-extracting loader |
| 23:46:46 | midkay_ | amiconn, quite impressive, the compression - 130kb, wow.. |
| 23:47:05 | Adrian | so i put the bubble.rock file to the rock folder |
| 23:47:14 | midkay_ | Adrian, where did you get it? |
| 23:47:30 | amiconn | ..reusing the .ucl compression already introduced by [IDC]Dragon for flashing |
| 23:47:49 | midkay_ | amiconn, cool, i guess that explains the slightly longer firmware load times - nice :) |
| 23:47:55 | Adrian | from http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34410 |
| 23:47:56 | amiconn | Speed penalty is about 0.5 sec at boot |
| 23:48:16 | midkay_ | Adrian, those are almost a month old, i think. |
| 23:48:23 | midkay_ | or.. hm |
| 23:48:24 | amiconn | (copy compressed image at high ram end, decompress into place and run. The decompressor runs from IRAM) |
| 23:48:42 | midkay_ | no, never mind. Adrian - it should work.. |
| 23:48:59 | midkay_ | amiconn, cool :) |
| 23:49:01 | sharpe | what should i do? :\ |
| 23:49:08 | amiconn | I had to squash a year-old, well-hidden bug to make it work. |
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| 23:49:30 | amiconn | That was the most time-consuming work involved with developing the decompressor |
| 23:49:31 | Adrian | and when i click the rock file its says "Incompatible version" |
| 23:49:45 | Adrian | so what i doing wrong?? |
| 23:49:47 | amiconn | ..outputting (?) byte values by LED_blinking |
| 23:49:49 | midkay_ | Adrian, it could be outdated |
| 23:49:54 | RotAtoR | Adrian: how old is your rockbox build? |
| 23:50:09 | midkay_ | amiconn, haha - ouch! |
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| 23:50:36 | RotAtoR | the rock files there are compiled for the latest plugin api version |
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| 23:51:03 | amiconn | midkay_: Yeah, no lcd code in the decompressor. The decompressor itself is ~1.1KB, that already includes the 512bytes vector table |
| 23:51:15 | amiconn | hi Bagder :) |
| 23:51:31 | Bagder | hey ho |
| 23:51:41 | midkay_ | amiconn, haha - that sounds fun.. led blinking :) |
| 23:51:54 | * | amiconn has some complaints about buildzip.pl |
| 23:52:07 | Adrian | its a Ver.CVS-060312 |
| 23:52:23 | amiconn | Bagder: buildzip.pl includes boxes.wps & associated BMPs for player |
| 23:52:33 | RotAtoR | Adrian: hmm, it should work then, did you download the rock for the correct target |
| 23:52:33 | RotAtoR | ? |
| 23:52:45 | Adrian | yes |
| 23:52:51 | amiconn | ...and it includes empty 'eq' dirs (all hwcodec platforms) and a 'backdrop' dir for player |
| 23:53:13 | Adrian | but what this message means?? |
| 23:53:14 | RotAtoR | hmm, then the plugin api version must have been bumped in the last two days |
| 23:53:30 | Adrian | Incompatible version?? |
| 23:53:39 | midkay_ | what's the policy in rockbox main code? fast+cheap or more readable/understandable? :) |
| 23:53:59 | RotAtoR | Adrian: it means that the plugin is compiled for a different version of rockbox than what you are running |
| 23:55:04 | Adrian | but i have the new version of rockbox |
| 23:55:48 | Adrian | maybe try with the older version?? |
| 23:55:59 | | Quit ghode|afk (Connection timed out) |
| 23:56:10 | RotAtoR | sure, but there's no backwards compatibility |
| 23:56:33 | RotAtoR | hmm, it looks like the plugin api version was bumped yesterday |
| 23:56:48 | RotAtoR | so either use a build from before then or compile the plugin yourself |
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