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00:00:03 | Adrian | its weard |
00:00:19 | stripwax | hey |
00:00:27 | stripwax | who should I thank for PacBox? it's just great |
00:00:35 | stripwax | (cheers Dave) |
00:00:59 | Adrian | hey whats this mean PLUGIN_HEADER ?? |
00:01:51 | sharpe | it's the plugin header... :D |
00:01:55 | RotAtoR | it's a macro that inserts the standard plugin header that every plugin needs |
00:02:31 | Adrian | i foud this site http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2403.0 but im not good in english |
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00:03:03 | Adrian | and im not sure what its mean |
00:03:22 | stripwax | but I have some suggestions and questions about PacBox. e.g., why no sound, why it always boosts cpu to full, why the background is copied twice rather than just once, whether its possible to optimise lcd updates by only updating areas that are different etc |
00:04:05 | stripwax | Adrian - what's your actual question? are you writing a plugin and it's failing to compile? |
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00:04:58 | Adrian | no i want to run a bubbles patch on my ipod |
00:05:28 | stripwax | Adrian - and the plugin is failing to compile? |
00:06:05 | RotAtoR | no, it just needs to be recompiled for the latest version |
00:07:10 | Bger | inte |
00:07:12 | Bger | nite |
00:07:14 | Adrian | yes its not work |
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00:07:14 | stripwax | RotAtoR - presumably PLUGIN_HEADER needs adding too |
00:07:26 | RotAtoR | no, that's already there |
00:07:35 | RotAtoR | Adrian is just using an old .rock file |
00:07:46 | stripwax | RotAtoR - oh! not a patch then (as he said) |
00:08:05 | RotAtoR | nope :) |
00:08:49 | Adrian | i get the file from the first site of http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34410 |
00:09:46 | RotAtoR | Adrian: here's a fresh compile for the ipod color https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/aboot2/www/bubbles.rock |
00:10:11 | linuxstb | stripwax: Glad you like pacbox. Sound isn't implemented yet (but I probably will at some point - PIE emulated sound, but I haven't ported that part of the code). It's not realtime at the moment, even with the CPU boosted to full, so I'm not sure why you're asking about the cpu boost. |
00:10:25 | stripwax | RotAtoR - could you do me a fresh compile for H120 while you're there? ;-) |
00:10:57 | RotAtoR | uhh, fine, i'll make a new batch of rocks.... :p |
00:11:08 | linuxstb | stripwax: And where is the background copied twice? |
00:11:09 | RotAtoR | I really should just get this thing finally committed |
00:12:14 | stripwax | linuxstb - renderBackground is called, and then background is memcpy'd to video_buffer. wondering why renderBackground( video_buffer ) isn't used |
00:12:20 | Adrian | ok its working now |
00:12:43 | Adrian | Thanks RotAtoR |
00:12:51 | RotAtoR | Adrian: no problem :) |
00:12:55 | stripwax | RotAtoR - commit would be cool, I should be able to build myself actually so don't worry too much if you don't have time |
00:13:01 | fantomas | I like that colored rockbox LOGO at startup... How to make it to stay longer on a screen?? :) |
00:13:19 | linuxstb | stripwax: Because the sprites are rendered on top of the background, and the renderBackground() function only updates the parts of the background that have changed. |
00:13:24 | stripwax | fantomas - slow down startup? :-d |
00:13:33 | sharpe | make a backdrop with it? |
00:13:41 | fantomas | stripwax: yeah :) its too fast on my iPod nano :) |
00:13:51 | linuxstb | stripwax: I've tried to explain it in a comment in pacbox.c |
00:13:55 | stripwax | linuxstb - and why wouldn't renderBackground( video_memory ) do the same thing? |
00:14:10 | stripwax | linuxstb - yeah, I read the comment, didn't understand it, changed the code and ran in simulator and it works the same afaict |
00:14:13 | linuxstb | Because that contains the sprites. |
00:14:50 | stripwax | linuxstb - if renderBackground only renders the bits that have changed .. then what's the problem? |
00:15:10 | linuxstb | The sprites can corrupt the background |
00:15:13 | fantomas | Is there a color version of rockbox or can I enable it somehow? |
00:15:37 | linuxstb | So if you draw a sprite over the background, and that part of the background doesn't change, then the sprite isn't erased. |
00:15:38 | stripwax | fantomas - er, how do you mean a 'color' version? does your mp3 player have a colour screen? |
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00:16:05 | fantomas | stripwax: yes |
00:16:20 | fantomas | stripwax: I mean using different colors for different things |
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00:16:49 | stripwax | linuxstb - hm, I thought you said renderBackground updates the parts that have changed .. if you draw a sprite over the background, and then the sprite moves, hasn't the background changed? or am I missing the point somehow? (like I said, I tried running in sdl sim rendering to video_buffer directly and it worked fine) |
00:16:55 | BoD[] | dodo time |
00:17:01 | midkay_ | bod?! |
00:17:04 | BoD[] | :) |
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00:17:11 | BoD[] | means sleep time |
00:17:13 | midkay_ | wow.. |
00:17:20 | midkay_ | don't remember me? :) |
00:17:22 | midkay_ | midknight2k3 |
00:17:24 | BoD[] | oh |
00:17:27 | BoD[] | oh :) |
00:17:30 | BoD[] | yeah :) |
00:17:34 | BoD[] | yes I'm back |
00:17:35 | stripwax | fantomas - which colors for which things?! like, the while playing screen, and games, and stuff? (cos they're already colour). or something else?? |
00:17:39 | midkay_ | awesome, welcome back :) |
00:17:41 | BoD[] | I have an ipod now |
00:17:43 | BoD[] | :)) |
00:17:45 | midkay_ | same. :) |
00:17:50 | BoD[] | cool ! |
00:18:05 | BoD[] | the other day I "tried" ipodlinux |
00:18:12 | midkay_ | what model do you have? |
00:18:16 | BoD[] | didn't work at all |
00:18:19 | stripwax | hehe |
00:18:19 | BoD[] | 5g |
00:18:24 | BoD[] | (video 60g) |
00:18:26 | midkay_ | hmm :) me too, i have it running.. |
00:18:44 | Adrian | ok im going now |
00:18:50 | BoD[] | i have to go too |
00:18:55 | BoD[] | it's fun to come back here :) |
00:18:56 | Adrian | see you later Guys |
00:18:58 | midkay_ | laters BoD[] - nice seeing you :) |
00:18:58 | fantomas | stripwax: I mean something like fancy colored themes for menus, player window, settings etc. Yes I know rockbox can display colors - I played some games |
00:19:03 | midkay_ | later Adrian |
00:19:05 | BoD[] | a+ ! |
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00:19:23 | stripwax | fantomas - yeah, go download some fancy themes! search the forum on misticriver.net |
00:19:27 | midkay_ | amiconn, are you here? |
00:19:40 | fantomas | stripwax: really? heh... :) |
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00:20:45 | linuxstb | stripwax: I've just tried it in the Sim, and get this effect: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/corrupt.png |
00:21:10 | stripwax | linuxstb - wow, weird. that's what i would have expected to see too, which is why I was confused! |
00:21:51 | linuxstb | Are you sure you didn't forget "make install" after changing pacbox.c ? |
00:22:07 | stripwax | make *install* ? not just make? |
00:23:03 | linuxstb | "make install" creates/updates the archos/.rockbox/ directory |
00:23:09 | linuxstb | (where the plugins live) |
00:23:31 | stripwax | linuxstb - would it be faster to just memcpy the bits of the background where the sprites are, rather than memcpy the whole background each time? |
00:23:52 | muesli__ | is pacman already running while using the experimental build? |
00:23:52 | stripwax | linuxstb - aw, crap, yeah. I probably forgot to copy it over. |
00:24:15 | linuxstb | muesli__: It's in CVS - I have no idea if it's included in the experimental build. |
00:24:28 | stripwax | reason I'm so interested is cos I was working on writing a puckman clone for rockbox and then discovered I don't need to bother any more :-) |
00:24:38 | muesli__ | oki, will have a look |
00:24:48 | linuxstb | stripwax: Which player do you have? |
00:25:05 | stripwax | yep, i forgot to copy of the rock. <slaps forehead> |
00:25:05 | muesli__ | pacbox.rock? |
00:25:07 | stripwax | linuxstb - H120 |
00:25:22 | linuxstb | OK, there's a lot of work needed there... |
00:25:43 | stripwax | but some friends with color ipods would definitely want to play |
00:25:55 | linuxstb | I only spent about 10 minutes getting something working before I committed it. I've been mainly testing on my ipod 5g. |
00:26:08 | linuxstb | (for the h120 version) |
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00:26:45 | stripwax | linuxstb - cool. well, it plays ok but is slow (didn't check fps tho) |
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00:27:12 | muesli__ | where do i get packman roms? |
00:27:14 | linuxstb | You could play with the rgb_to_gray() function in arcade.c to try and see if you can improve the use of grayscale. |
00:27:28 | stripwax | muesli__ - don't ask that question here. google probably knows. |
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00:28:06 | stripwax | linuxstb - sounds good. really I'd like to interpolate pixels a little rather than skip (although that would slow down things more of course) |
00:28:55 | fantomas | stripwax: cool stuff. Very few themes for iPod Nano though... |
00:29:29 | stripwax | fantomas - hmm... you could start the ball rolling? ;-) |
00:29:43 | linuxstb | stripwax: You should be able to take advantage of the fact that we know exactly where the important pixels are, and display those rows and columns. Maybe via two lookup tables. |
00:30:27 | stripwax | linuxstb - hrm, rgb_to_gray looks slow, would be better to just render into gray to start with I reckon |
00:30:51 | linuxstb | rgb_to_gray is just used during the initialisation - so it doesn't need to be fast. |
00:30:56 | stripwax | linuxstb - didn't understand your last msg. |
00:30:59 | stripwax | linuxstb - oh |
00:31:25 | linuxstb | Pacman has a palette[] array, and pacbox initialises that array with "native" Rockbox colour values. |
00:32:08 | stripwax | linuxstb - yeah, I meant the message before that (it was your last message while I was typing mine). the 'two lookup tables' thing. to do what, interpolation, or improve rgb_to_gray? |
00:32:38 | amiconn | midkay_: wazzup? |
00:32:52 | linuxstb | stripwax: The interpolation - to decide which rows and colums from the Pacman 224x288 display are displayed on the Nano's screen. |
00:33:03 | fantomas | stripwax: not sure what you mean, not english native, sorry man |
00:33:13 | stripwax | linuxtsb - Nano? wait. huh? |
00:34:11 | stripwax | linuxstb - so, in that case, I'm confused by what you mean by "the important pixels". Isn't that, all of them? |
00:34:22 | stripwax | fantomas - I just meant, you might need to design your own .. |
00:34:29 | linuxstb | stripwax: Sorry, both the Nano and H1x0 need the same scaling factor. |
00:34:53 | linuxstb | stripwax: The "important" pixels are the vertical and horizontal lines in the maze. |
00:35:06 | SereR0KR | how can I get the Doom Plug-In work on Rockbox O.o |
00:35:08 | midkay_ | amiconn, i know you're one of the few people left here with a recorder :) i just recoded the f2/f3 screens to put all the entries on seperate scrolling lines (this fixes one of the ToDos about the handling of long strings at these screens, eg german) - it's working fine, but i'm a bit nervous about committing it yet - do you approve? :) would you like to try it first? |
00:35:09 | fantomas | stripwax: ok I see now. Interesting suggestion. I'll think :) |
00:35:09 | SereR0KR | for my iPod ^^ |
00:35:51 | stripwax | linuxstb - ok - well, the maze walls on H1x0 kinda look a bit screwy anyway .. |
00:35:56 | amiconn | midkay_: I'd rather see the quickscreens dropped & replaced by something more useful - maybe that's just me... |
00:36:27 | midkay_ | amiconn, as would i, but that doesn't seem to be in the todo docs ;) |
00:38:21 | stripwax | "make install" is cool, and I didn't know about it. (would you believe I was doing "make zip" / "unzip..." before?) :-s |
00:40:12 | stripwax | linuxstb - what was your reason for inverting the screen on H1x0 by the way |
00:40:16 | stripwax | ^ packbox |
00:40:19 | stripwax | ^pacbox! |
00:41:09 | linuxstb | stripwax: Because I couldn't work out how not to.... |
00:41:13 | amiconn | hrmpf. |
00:41:31 | amiconn | This HD66789R datasheet is rather ambiguous |
00:41:37 | linuxstb | stripwax: As I said, the choice of colours needs more working for the h1x0 |
00:43:13 | stripwax | linuxstb - yep. I didn't think the two were related - the palette is probably ok, but the lcd is *also* inverted, which is weird |
00:44:21 | midkay_ | amiconn, i guess since neither of us seem to really care, i'll just commit it.. if it's an unwanted change, it's a simple revert |
00:44:36 | Massa1 | Hi everybody, I'm also still here :-) |
00:47:00 | stripwax | ok, I'm going to hack renderBackground to check the location of sprites too and rerender those squares too |
00:56:36 | fantomas | Is there a way to use ipod Linux together with rockbox as well as with original Apple's firmware? |
00:57:41 | stripwax | I think ipodlinux comes with a configurable boot loader |
00:58:24 | linuxstb | fantomas: Yes - both ipodloader2 and the Rockbox bootloader can triple-boot |
00:59:04 | fantomas | linuxstb: then probably wiki is slightly out of date or I just can't find this info there :) |
00:59:34 | linuxstb | It's not described in the Rockbox wiki. |
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01:01:37 | sharpe | heh, i just had an idea for a game for rockbox... |
01:01:51 | stripwax | what game |
01:01:59 | stripwax | my idea was a text adventure ;-) |
01:02:09 | sharpe | a maze, involving one pixel. all the walls are one pixel... |
01:02:26 | sharpe | moving a red pixel around in a white maze :) |
01:02:38 | stripwax | sharpe - hehe. what about the mono targets though? i guess the pixel could flash ... |
01:02:45 | sharpe | yeah |
01:02:58 | stripwax | there was a stunning game back on the Spectrum called Pixy The Microdot ;-) |
01:03:12 | sharpe | it'd be hard for targets with large screens :D |
01:03:53 | sharpe | ahah, i think that's what i'll work on next... |
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01:08:01 | sharpe | would that be an interesting game though? |
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01:08:19 | midkay_ | sharpe, a maze? yes. a pixel-sized maze? hmm... ;) |
01:08:44 | sharpe | it'd be funny... |
01:08:50 | stripwax | sounds cool to me. |
01:09:06 | stripwax | should be scaleable though. from 1x1 pixel to 8x8 pixel, for example |
01:09:15 | midkay_ | sharpe, yes, quite funny.. but a bit small. :) |
01:09:47 | sharpe | heh |
01:10:00 | sharpe | difficulty setting, and scale setting... :) |
01:10:44 | midkay_ | same thing ;) |
01:11:03 | sharpe | just to think of a name... |
01:11:25 | stripwax | mazebox ... rockmaze ... |
01:12:14 | sharpe | heh... |
01:12:30 | midkay_ | mazebox. haha. |
01:12:44 | stripwax | well. i mean. I don't *like* the name but it's kinda obvious ;-) |
01:13:02 | midkay_ | mazebox. hahaha. :) |
01:13:40 | stripwax | linuxstb - actually I think the fix is easy. just make renderSprite update the dirty flag for the squares in which the sprite lies. testing now.. |
01:13:51 | stripwax | don't have a fix for inverted lcd yet tho ;-) |
01:14:34 | linuxstb | stripwax: Good idea. |
01:15:17 | amiconn | There are quite some plugins nowadays named *box or rock* |
01:15:29 | stripwax | amiconn - is that "good" or "bad" |
01:15:32 | amiconn | Somewhat boring... |
01:15:52 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:15:58 | midkay_ | WAIT. i got it. |
01:16:12 | stripwax | yeah. sharpe - call it Lost or Maze Thing or Where Now or something |
01:16:16 | midkay_ | Raze. |
01:16:18 | midkay_ | or.. wait. |
01:16:21 | stripwax | hehe |
01:16:22 | midkay_ | Mack. |
01:16:24 | sharpe | lol |
01:16:26 | midkay_ | Mackbox. |
01:16:27 | stripwax | Mack is cool |
01:16:34 | midkay_ | :) |
01:16:41 | sharpe | yay mack! |
01:16:45 | midkay_ | Mockbox! |
01:16:53 | sharpe | Knockoffbox |
01:17:02 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:17:29 | midkay_ | wait. i got it. _yes_. |
01:17:33 | midkay_ | "maze". |
01:17:40 | sharpe | dawm direct foam is a liar. i don't get a vacuum made out of soap bubbles. |
01:17:49 | midkay_ | (hushed audience; "ooooh"s all around) |
01:18:25 | sharpe | or pixel, it gives no meaning to what it's about until you start it, other than the fact that it involves pixels, but so does every other plugin. |
01:18:33 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:18:36 | midkay_ | Mixel! |
01:18:39 | midkay_ | Mazel. |
01:18:40 | midkay_ | Maxel. |
01:18:42 | sharpe | Mixy. |
01:18:42 | midkay_ | Maxell. |
01:18:45 | midkay_ | that's a good one. |
01:18:45 | stripwax | sharpe - but with a scaling setting it's not really a pixel any more. |
01:18:57 | sharpe | but it still uses pixels :) |
01:18:59 | stripwax | Imp |
01:19:06 | stripwax | cos it like 'pixy' ;-) |
01:19:06 | midkay_ | WAIT. Navibox. |
01:19:12 | nudel | If anyone's interested, I've put the current version of my iPod Video theme, plus some (better, cleaner) screenshots and the Photoshop PSD file too, on a temporary page: http://www.pretentiousname.com/rb/theme_green.html |
01:19:14 | stripwax | nah. sounds like a menu system. |
01:19:27 | midkay_ | fu all. you know that. you all suck. my names own you all. |
01:19:37 | midkay_ | you're just too pathetic to step to "Navibox". |
01:19:39 | stripwax | heh |
01:19:39 | sharpe | thisgameisnotagamedealingwithamazenordoesitdealwithpixels.rock |
01:19:49 | sharpe | such a decieving name... |
01:19:50 | stripwax | ice |
01:19:54 | midkay_ | haha, |
01:19:55 | stripwax | oops.. "nice" |
01:19:56 | nudel | haha |
01:20:12 | midkay_ | Maze-in-the-box!! |
01:20:18 | sharpe | antipixel |
01:20:25 | midkay_ | cause it has everything you need.. maze, rock* or *box.. and in-the.. ties it all together. |
01:20:30 | midkay_ | maze-in-the-box. perfect. |
01:20:55 | yeahx | sure |
01:21:03 | sharpe | in that case, 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.' it includes all letters which can form other words, so it's up to your imagnination what the actual name is. |
01:21:05 | nudel | sokoban is box-in-a-maze |
01:21:30 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:21:32 | midkay_ | HEY. |
01:21:36 | midkay_ | let's rename Sokoban to Sokobox. |
01:21:38 | midkay_ | that's genius. |
01:21:42 | nudel | :) |
01:21:46 | midkay_ | let's rename everything to rock* or *box. |
01:21:54 | stripwax | or call this mazeban |
01:22:09 | nudel | rocksox |
01:22:11 | midkay_ | battery_testbox.. flipitbox.. no. flipbox! |
01:22:19 | sharpe | lets rename it all to rockboxplugin_*, with * corresponding to a number. it's a genius ordering system. |
01:22:23 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:22:27 | nudel | boxbox (a boxing game) |
01:22:35 | * | stripwax chuckles at boxbox |
01:22:41 | nudel | OpenBox |
01:22:44 | sharpe | SharpeBox! |
01:22:52 | sharpe | eh, that sounds opensourcy |
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01:23:06 | nudel | outsidethebox |
01:23:10 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:23:14 | sharpe | lol... |
01:23:20 | stripwax | lost in the box? |
01:23:31 | midkay_ | Navigate-the-box |
01:23:31 | sharpe | ivelostthebox? |
01:23:32 | nudel | Jackin' T Box |
01:23:54 | midkay_ | move-the-cursor-throughout-the-box-to-reach-the-end |
01:23:57 | nudel | rebox |
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01:24:09 | sharpe | such a vague name midkay... |
01:24:17 | midkay_ | hmm.. |
01:24:46 | midkay_ | move-the-cursor-throughout-the-box-to-reach-the-end-it's-a-maze-you-retard? |
01:25:04 | sharpe | kind of takes the fun out of it... |
01:25:16 | sharpe | and i think that's over the character limit anyways |
01:26:21 | midkay_ | let's do move-the-cursor-throughout-the-box-it's-a-maze-you-retard-jesus-fuc.rock.. hits the filename char limit perfectly. |
01:26:58 | Peter200lx | what is Xobox? |
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01:27:03 | sharpe | i know this |
01:27:05 | sharpe | ah |
01:27:10 | sharpe | i can't remember... |
01:27:28 | sharpe | ah |
01:27:34 | sharpe | filesharing client isn't it? |
01:27:37 | midkay_ | Peter200lx, it's a Xonix clone (i think that's what it's called) |
01:27:39 | midkay_ | haha. |
01:27:45 | midkay_ | xenix? xonix? something like that |
01:28:00 | sharpe | wow. i was way off... |
01:28:09 | Peter200lx | heh, Xenix being? ;-) |
01:29:33 | midkay_ | Peter200lx, some game. :) |
01:29:48 | sharpe | a collection of bytes. |
01:30:26 | midkay_ | a variant of qix, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qix |
01:31:43 | Peter200lx | ahh |
01:31:45 | Peter200lx | thanks |
01:31:58 | sharpe | heh, i'm not useful at all. :) |
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01:32:14 | Peter200lx | :-) |
01:33:09 | Peter200lx | on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart , it says that The Nano Has recording ability |
01:33:12 | Peter200lx | how is that? |
01:33:32 | linuxstb | The hardware supports recording. |
01:34:43 | Peter200lx | what is used for recording? through the propriatary ipod connector? |
01:35:07 | sharpe | isn't it the headphone jack? |
01:35:35 | Peter200lx | it has a headphone connector on the bottom |
01:35:51 | sharpe | the nano? |
01:36:19 | Peter200lx | yea |
01:36:24 | linuxstb | AFAIK, the headphone connector can be used for recording, plus there is a line-in on the dock connector. |
01:36:39 | Peter200lx | interesting |
01:36:43 | sharpe | what i was thinking... |
01:37:06 | Peter200lx | is there any plans for Rockbox to suport recording? |
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01:37:45 | sharpe | it does for everything else but the ipods, doesn't it |
01:37:46 | sharpe | ? |
01:38:02 | stripwax | Peter200lx - yeah. it works for most devices already. what do you have? |
01:38:03 | Peter200lx | I think so |
01:38:27 | Peter200lx | well, I have a Archos V1, but my Dad just got a Nano |
01:38:43 | Peter200lx | Just curious what all it could do |
01:40:39 | Peter200lx | I've been geting it set up |
01:41:08 | Peter200lx | he likes not haveing to install the itunes software on his computer |
01:41:21 | sharpe | i just recently uninstalled itunes... :) |
01:41:55 | Peter200lx | hehe |
01:42:42 | sharpe | kept creating the ipod_control folder everytime i was working on my zip plugin, testing it... |
01:47:34 | sharpe | and really that's the only thing i can say i've done so far for rockbox, and it's not even entirely complete yet... |
01:48:25 | Peter200lx | heh, I'm pretty much a strait user |
01:49:04 | Peter200lx | I need to learn to program, I just haven't yet |
01:49:28 | sharpe | i used to be better... i stopped for a while some time ago, just getting back into it... |
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01:50:38 | sharpe | i just can't think of anything else i can add to it... |
01:50:58 | sharpe | ohes noes, i'm bleeding. :( |
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01:54:44 | stripwax | linuxstb- patch at http://www.beermex.com/pacbox.patch |
01:55:20 | stripwax | small optimisations to sprite rendering + removal of the memcpy for background by setting dirty flags within sprite renderer |
01:55:28 | linuxstb | stripwax: How much of an improvement in the FPS does it give? |
01:55:41 | stripwax | don't know yet .. |
01:56:01 | stripwax | how can I find out? |
01:56:12 | sharpe | by using it? |
01:56:32 | stripwax | sharpe - er, thanks! |
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01:57:19 | linuxstb | stripwax: sharpe is right - run it on your h1x0 without the patch, and run it again with the patch. |
01:57:23 | sharpe | you're welcome, i'm always here to help... |
01:57:43 | stripwax | linuxstb - ah, can't do that, battery is flat on my h1x0 :( can wait till tomorrow. I guess sim is locked to 20fps? |
01:58:46 | linuxstb | I'll probably give it a go later - I'm working on an ARM assembler optimsation for the iPod 5g at the moment. |
01:59:33 | stripwax | linuxstb (optimisation for pacbox, or something else?). i should probably crack at a coldfire optimisation for h1x0 |
01:59:52 | sharpe | gah, i wish i had gotten into the rockbox development earlier... |
02:00 |
02:00:32 | stripwax | arg, there's an off-by-one error I think in my dirty flag - leaves occasional stray 1x1 blue pixels on the screen. weird. |
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02:01:01 | sharpe | that's just cool. :) |
02:01:12 | linuxstb | stripwax: Yes, pacbox. |
02:01:21 | sharpe | occasional blue pixels... |
02:02:10 | * | imphasing pokes at the rockbox kernel |
02:02:11 | stripwax | or could be a bug in my optimisation to sprite rendering! blech |
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02:02:15 | sharpe | who... wants to give me something to try to work on? |
02:02:23 | JD|Uni | hey all |
02:02:24 | imphasing | It seems like rockbox is mostly a kernel.. |
02:02:37 | midkay_ | linuxstb, do you have a couple graphic problems on your 5G in pacbox? .. specifically the pacman animation |
02:02:37 | stripwax | imphasing - huh? |
02:03:10 | imphasing | stripwax: er.. |
02:03:43 | imphasing | It's mostly just a single file, that gets loaded, and handles all the kernel tasks. IE, a kernel. |
02:03:47 | imphasing | Save for the WPS files |
02:04:11 | stripwax | yeah - I'm just an idiot. I'll update my patch in one moment .. |
02:04:20 | imphasing | :/ |
02:04:36 | * | imphasing is now confused |
02:04:37 | stripwax | imphasing - "rockbox" is also all the apps |
02:04:49 | imphasing | Well yeah, but it mostly consists of a kernel |
02:05:05 | stripwax | define "mostly" ?!? |
02:05:12 | JD|Uni | evertything bar the plugins |
02:05:38 | stripwax | I mean, yeah, the rockbox kernel is just a kernel. but, er, huh? I mean, all the codecs are plugins. And without the codecs, there would be no sound (on modern devices). so .. still, huh? |
02:05:48 | imphasing | Take linux for exambple. The kernel just handles the very basic tasks, and the applications handle everything else. Rockbox, however, has most of it's higher up operations in the "kernel" |
02:06:03 | imphasing | AFAIK |
02:06:04 | sharpe | it's like dos without the command prompt. :) |
02:07:18 | imphasing | I consider rockbox to be a kernel, with plugins. |
02:07:26 | imphasing | I may be way off though. |
02:08:23 | crashd | i see what you're saying imphasing |
02:08:25 | crashd | but, what's your point? |
02:08:40 | imphasing | No point really |
02:08:44 | imphasing | It just makes it simpler |
02:08:48 | stripwax | imphasing - I guess that's one way of looking at it. but in that sense it's a megalithic kernel that includes drivers and user interface functions.. |
02:09:03 | imphasing | rigb t |
02:09:12 | imphasing | er...right |
02:09:36 | JD|Uni | the ui needs to be split off so it can be redone making it a bit nicer :p |
02:09:45 | sharpe | the sound of gears grinding to a halt imphasing? :) |
02:10:04 | imphasing | there's no real point to what I'm saying. I'm just observing that it's a good design for something that doesn't require an exceedingly complex operating system |
02:10:12 | imphasing | sharpe: eh? |
02:10:13 | imphasing | :) |
02:10:26 | midkay_ | hey JD|Uni - is that coLinux environment on the web anywhere yet? :) sounds very good |
02:10:30 | sharpe | heh... |
02:11:23 | JD|Uni | midkay_: no not yet |
02:11:34 | JD|Uni | tab name completion is fucked on the webclient... |
02:11:42 | | Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) |
02:11:44 | midkay | :\ |
02:12:08 | JD|Uni | im gonna put the other targets on it, and get ssh working, then ill up it, hopefully tomorow from uni so it doesnt take 2 hours to upload :p |
02:12:11 | stripwax | linuxstb - just fixed my bug and updated the patch. lemme know if you get a chance to take a look! i'll be back tomorrow |
02:12:11 | sharpe | i have another idea that will not be implemented! |
02:12:14 | stripwax | gnight all |
02:12:20 | stripwax | sharpe - ooh, I'll wait for this .. |
02:12:25 | sharpe | :D |
02:12:33 | imphasing | Heh, who wrote the thread scheduling code? |
02:12:34 | imphasing | :) |
02:12:35 | midkay | JD|Uni, haha, cool/good :) |
02:12:37 | midkay | can't wait |
02:12:39 | imphasing | Peice of art, that. |
02:12:56 | sharpe | networking functionality, have a host program on a computer and have the player communicate via usb |
02:12:58 | sharpe | :) |
02:13:09 | crashd | heh. |
02:13:14 | JD|Uni | sharpe.. i imagine that will come pretty quickly after usbotg |
02:13:15 | crashd | wont work tho |
02:13:16 | sharpe | i remember for my palm pilot, there was something similar for controlling winamp |
02:13:28 | JD|Uni | but ipx over usb is more important (for doom :D ) |
02:13:34 | stripwax | heh |
02:13:34 | sharpe | lol |
02:13:35 | stripwax | gnight |
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02:14:01 | JD|Uni | how mad would doom multi in lectures be? |
02:14:15 | sharpe | lol... |
02:14:42 | imphasing | It would be so mad, you wouldn't even learn anything! |
02:14:43 | imphasing | woo. |
02:14:49 | sharpe | like, insane. |
02:14:56 | sharpe | that's mad. |
02:15:22 | JD|Uni | u dont goto lectures to learn.. u go to get value-for-money from the course :p |
02:15:31 | imphasing | ... |
02:15:41 | * | JD|Uni is gonna fail again |
02:15:54 | imphasing | Maybe you should stop playing doom in class.. |
02:16:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
02:16:01 | JD|Uni | haha.. its true |
02:16:26 | sharpe | you go to get valuable doom experience, which we all know is what matters in the real world. |
02:17:06 | imphasing | outl(0x80000000 | (0xff << 16), 0x7000a010); |
02:17:08 | * | imphasing found it! |
02:17:11 | imphasing | woot. |
02:18:26 | sharpe | what'd you find? |
02:18:36 | imphasing | Er..I lost it. |
02:18:47 | imphasing | It was going to be the backlight address for the ipod |
02:18:49 | imphasing | but it's the 4G |
02:18:49 | sharpe | hmm... short term memory loss? |
02:18:53 | sharpe | ah.. |
02:19:32 | sharpe | i really need to find something to do... |
02:19:37 | imphasing | hehe.. |
02:19:42 | imphasing | I -should- be working |
02:19:46 | imphasing | but this is more fun |
02:20:03 | sharpe | searching endless lines of code for the address to control the backlight? |
02:20:15 | imphasing | Perusing the rockbox kernel |
02:20:16 | imphasing | :P |
02:20:22 | imphasing | And...misspelling things. |
02:21:01 | sharpe | a lot of us are skilled in that area. |
02:21:11 | imphasing | booyah |
02:21:49 | sharpe | wow... when was the last time you saw a commercial for a radio station? |
02:21:59 | linuxstb | stripwax: (if you read this in the logs) Your pacbox patch gave a nice 5% speedup on my 5g. With my ASM optimisation, it's now at about 19.2 fps (so almost realtime). |
02:22:02 | imphasing | um..never |
02:22:11 | sharpe | just saw one.. |
02:22:13 | imphasing | linuxstb: too late |
02:22:13 | imphasing | :( |
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02:22:15 | sharpe | and its again. |
02:22:20 | sharpe | playing again i mean. |
02:22:35 | imphasing | linuxstb: That's a nice speed on the 5G.. |
02:22:39 | sharpe | so it's, radio commercial, other commercial, radio commercial. |
02:23:03 | linuxstb | imphasing: Yep :) I'm happy now. |
02:23:04 | JD|Uni | linuxstb: sounds good.. any speedups for h300? |
02:23:23 | imphasing | linuxstb: Did you write some of the LCd code in ASM? |
02:23:40 | linuxstb | imphasing: Yes, I wrote the "rotate and copy" loop in ASM. |
02:23:47 | imphasing | ah, cool |
02:23:53 | imphasing | I think that's the same one I did |
02:23:58 | imphasing | Or, now mostly josh |
02:24:43 | linuxstb | I managed a speedup from (I think) about 13.5fps to about 18.2fps. Stripwax's optimisation gave another 1fps. |
02:24:44 | JD|Uni | :'( im in my prac class and i just had the tutor checking my work, and i had || instead of != so i had to find the fix, now i have to wait ages for him to check other ppl before i can go.. :'( |
02:25:04 | imphasing | I might write something to see how man'y fps I'm getting.. |
02:25:11 | imphasing | I think it's around 13 |
02:25:11 | linuxstb | But if josh has written the same function in asm, I probably wasted my time.... |
02:25:17 | imphasing | but the MAME fps meter isn't working |
02:25:23 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how you can optimise without an fps meter... |
02:25:28 | imphasing | linuxstb: His also scales |
02:25:29 | imphasing | :) |
02:25:37 | imphasing | linuxstb: It "seems" faster |
02:25:38 | imphasing | hehehe |
02:25:41 | JD|Uni | imphasing.. your doing mame for rb? |
02:25:47 | imphasing | No, ipodlinux |
02:25:51 | JD|Uni | :'( |
02:26:03 | imphasing | MAME + rockbox == unhapiness |
02:26:03 | imphasing | :/ |
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02:26:21 | JD|Uni | just the licenses... doesnt have to be official |
02:26:38 | imphasing | It's sort of a grey area |
02:26:45 | * | imphasing hacks an fps meter into mame |
02:26:51 | sharpe | like, a 0x7f7f7f area. |
02:27:01 | imphasing | groan |
02:27:14 | imphasing | And what are you doing with 24bpp color?? |
02:27:20 | imphasing | 0xff7f7f7f |
02:27:20 | imphasing | :P |
02:27:27 | sharpe | lol.. |
02:27:47 | JD|Uni | haha |
02:27:56 | JD|Uni | should it be 0x007f7f7f tho? |
02:28:00 | imphasing | that would be clear |
02:28:04 | sharpe | 0xff7f7f7f |
02:28:09 | imphasing | the 0xff is a totally opaque alpha channel |
02:28:21 | JD|Uni | ah ok.. i get ya |
02:28:28 | sharpe | lovely opaqueness |
02:28:57 | imphasing | Um...I forgot all the C timing functions.. |
02:28:58 | imphasing | :/ |
02:29:09 | imphasing | heh |
02:29:40 | imphasing | My fps meter is going to be really ugly. |
02:29:46 | imphasing | It'll have to write a text file with how long it took to draw 40 frames |
02:29:47 | imphasing | :P |
02:30:20 | sharpe | make sure it's with no decimals of precision. give it an approximation to make it seem faster. |
02:30:28 | imphasing | hell yes |
02:30:45 | JD|Uni | wont writing to the hdd slow it down? |
02:30:50 | imphasing | well |
02:30:50 | imphasing | yeah |
02:30:57 | imphasing | but it'll only do that when it's done |
02:30:59 | sharpe | wait, no, make it seem slower, then eventually introduce fixes for it, so you seem like you're improving the whole thing |
02:31:08 | imphasing | it'll only takes 2 more instructions per frame |
02:31:34 | JD|Uni | and doesnt drawing the framerate onto the lcd slow the update down also? isnt text really slow to draw? |
02:31:48 | imphasing | I don't do that |
02:31:53 | imphasing | I just record a start time |
02:31:55 | imphasing | and an end time |
02:31:57 | JD|Uni | no i mean on regular fps meters |
02:32:00 | imphasing | and have it only display 40 pixels |
02:32:10 | imphasing | and when the 40 pixels are done, I take the difference |
02:32:12 | imphasing | write it to a file |
02:32:18 | imphasing | then do the calculations myself |
02:32:23 | imphasing | <−− cheap hack |
02:32:31 | sharpe | but it gets the job done |
02:32:38 | imphasing | :) |
02:33:01 | sharpe | i need something to work on on rockbox. |
02:33:12 | crashd | write a plugin |
02:33:16 | crashd | or check the feature requests |
02:33:27 | imphasing | Er...what sort of type is a time_t? |
02:33:32 | imphasing | can I display it as a decimal? |
02:33:38 | sharpe | you can try? |
02:33:42 | imphasing | hehehe |
02:33:43 | JD|Uni | long isnt it? |
02:33:50 | sharpe | i was just going to check the feature requests too |
02:35:51 | imphasing | Ah, I can cast them as ints |
02:35:52 | imphasing | :) |
02:36:14 | sharpe | cast it as a void. it'll make everything much, much more fun. |
02:36:22 | imphasing | haha] |
02:37:25 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2670 |
02:37:32 | sharpe | i just had an idea, let me see if it works. |
02:38:06 | linuxstb | Anyone know stripwax's real name? |
02:38:26 | sharpe | no... but i can give you my name. |
02:38:33 | sharpe | because, that's the only one i know.. |
02:38:39 | linuxstb | You'll have to give me a pacbox optimisation as well though. |
02:38:44 | sharpe | damn. |
02:38:57 | amiconn | ^bah |
02:38:58 | sharpe | there's a catch to everything |
02:39:19 | amiconn | XavierGr: Something is wrong with the jpeg browse-while-playing feature |
02:39:29 | sharpe | nevermind, my idea doesn't work. |
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02:39:48 | amiconn | (1) It thinks music is playing while it isn't, and asks me whether I want to stop when loading large jpegs |
02:40:33 | amiconn | (2) Even more annoying, if I load an image that fits but higher zoom levels won't fit, it doesn't let me zoom into these higher zoom levels |
02:40:34 | midkay | sharpe, what was it? |
02:41:14 | sharpe | linuxstb: i think stripwax's real name is... Dave Hooper? |
02:41:34 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
02:42:12 | sharpe | eh, just the solution to the request for a seperate games menu |
02:42:43 | midkay | sharpe, what was it? :) |
02:42:44 | imphasing | Woo, it compiles! |
02:42:47 | imphasing | now to test the fps |
02:43:01 | midkay | imphasing, what are you working on? :) |
02:43:18 | imphasing | I'm trying to see how many fps I get on ipodmame |
02:43:19 | imphasing | :) |
02:43:29 | midkay | ah. haha. :) |
02:43:32 | linuxstb | imphasing: I've just commited my pacbox optimisations to CVS. |
02:43:43 | * | imphasing checks it out |
02:43:56 | midkay | linuxstb, did/do you have pacbox graphics trouble in a few places? notably pacman animation? |
02:44:27 | JD|Uni | linuxstb: should your optimizations help on the h300? |
02:46:03 | linuxstb | midkay: Can you explain what you mean? |
02:46:33 | linuxstb | JD|Uni: My only optimisation was an ARM assembler function. But stripwax's optimisation should help. |
02:46:54 | JD|Uni | ok, ill wait for it to compile and let u know |
02:47:18 | sharpe | um... |
02:47:24 | sharpe | anyone have any ideas for me? |
02:47:24 | midkay | linuxstb, pacbox for me (a build from earlier today), when pacman moves around, the animations don't look correct (should be eating the dots, but it seems like the yellow circle just moves/stretches around) - it looks good for you? |
02:47:58 | JD|Uni | sharpe: make the rec buton on the h300 usable? and user configurable |
02:48:26 | imphasing | hehehe |
02:48:35 | sharpe | i don't have a h300... |
02:48:37 | JD|Uni | sharpe: implement usbotg? or timer wakeup |
02:48:43 | JD|Uni | wsell then your useles... :p |
02:48:56 | * | sharpe cries. |
02:49:07 | sharpe | i just really can't find anything i want to work on... |
02:49:54 | JD|Uni | noooo.... i forgot to put chocolate cake in my bag for lunch :';( |
02:50:10 | linuxstb | midkay: Yes, it looks fine. Do your ROMs match the md5 checksums on the wiki page? |
02:50:34 | | Part yeahx |
02:51:05 | midkay | hm, let's see |
02:52:51 | sharpe | um... |
02:53:16 | midkay | linuxstb, ah, most of them except two |
02:53:24 | crashd | midkay: the pacman.5X files? |
02:53:29 | midkay | crash, yes |
02:53:32 | crashd | yeah |
02:53:37 | crashd | they are the graphics romsets |
02:53:44 | midkay | aha. |
02:53:46 | crashd | so either yours are corrupt, or from a different version/game |
02:53:57 | sharpe | has anyone tried this? http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2612 |
02:54:03 | crashd | there's quite a lot of pacman romsets about, the ones you need are Pacman Midway |
02:55:14 | JD|Uni | 10.7fps on the h300 |
02:55:29 | linuxstb | JD|Uni: Is that before or after my last commit? |
02:55:36 | JD|Uni | after |
02:55:43 | JD|Uni | hot off the presses |
02:55:44 | JD|Uni | 10.93 atm |
02:56:14 | linuxstb | Do you know what it was before? |
02:56:23 | JD|Uni | 10.5 i tihnk |
02:56:39 | JD|Uni | ooh.. uv added more menu items |
02:56:58 | linuxstb | JD|Uni: They've always been there (in the CVS version) |
02:57:24 | JD|Uni | ah, ok.. last 1 i tried was the very first verison u had working |
03:00 |
03:04:07 | JD|Uni | grr... i was looking through the log for the fps i was getting a few days ago, but it must have been over pm.. coz it aint there :p |
03:04:54 | sharpe | i know what i should do! |
03:05:52 | imphasing | ! |
03:05:53 | imphasing | what? |
03:06:30 | JD|Uni | any reason my open with menu fix wasnt commited? |
03:06:32 | sharpe | actually, i don't. was just checking who cared. :-D |
03:06:39 | imphasing | hehe |
03:06:49 | sharpe | still trying to find something |
03:06:50 | imphasing | for some reason, ipodmame is saying that it did 200 frames in 0 seconds |
03:06:51 | imphasing | woo! |
03:06:52 | imphasing | so fast. |
03:06:55 | JD|Uni | fark im bored |
03:07:11 | sharpe | heh, i didn't mean to inflate the fps that much man.. :) |
03:07:18 | imphasing | hehe |
03:08:15 | sharpe | if there's a bug fix or feature request, i can only try to do it with the 5g... |
03:13:19 | imphasing | An int probably isn't big enough to hold how many seconds have passed since 1970, come to think of it.. |
03:13:25 | imphasing | maybe I'm losing some information there |
03:13:26 | imphasing | :P |
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03:15:12 | JD|Uni | imphasing.. time_t is either long or long long... |
03:15:22 | imphasing | I need to cast it though |
03:15:26 | imphasing | ah |
03:15:27 | imphasing | right |
03:15:34 | sharpe | cast "long level 2" on it! |
03:15:39 | imphasing | hehehe |
03:15:54 | JD|Uni | haha |
03:16:39 | sharpe | who wants to spin the wheel of religion? |
03:16:57 | imphasing | :/ |
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03:17:17 | sharpe | it a spinner type thing i got... |
03:17:40 | sharpe | with info about like, 25 different religions... |
03:17:56 | imphasing | oh |
03:17:58 | imphasing | man |
03:17:59 | imphasing | I'm an idiot |
03:18:11 | sharpe | how so? |
03:18:12 | imphasing | I ahd it overwriting the start time every time the function ran... |
03:18:14 | imphasing | sigh |
03:18:23 | imphasing | It runs once every fram |
03:18:28 | sharpe | lol... |
03:18:31 | imphasing | s/fram/farme/ |
03:18:33 | imphasing | arg. |
03:18:40 | imphasing | s/farme/frame/ |
03:19:39 | sharpe | farme? |
03:19:44 | imphasing | yeah.. |
03:19:58 | sharpe | sounds... like another language |
03:21:44 | sharpe | i think i'm more like the comic relief for the rockbox developers, rather than a programmer... |
03:21:56 | imphasing | hehe |
03:22:06 | imphasing | Have you written anything for rb yet? |
03:22:20 | sharpe | yeah, a plugin that dealt with uncompressed zip files |
03:22:48 | imphasing | oh man |
03:22:50 | sharpe | i'm looking at the source for it at this moment too... |
03:22:52 | sharpe | what? |
03:22:52 | imphasing | my frame rat really sucks |
03:22:59 | imphasing | um...rate |
03:23:01 | imphasing | 6fps |
03:23:04 | imphasing | wtf. |
03:23:07 | sharpe | maybe you're under-inflating it now? |
03:23:17 | imphasing | nope, took 32 secodns to write 200 frames |
03:23:30 | imphasing | Seems that it took about that long |
03:23:33 | sharpe | ah |
03:23:37 | sharpe | ouch. |
03:23:41 | imphasing | yeah |
03:23:43 | imphasing | time for optimizing |
03:23:56 | sharpe | quick! threaten it! |
03:24:06 | sharpe | it will run faster! |
03:24:09 | imphasing | yes! |
03:24:30 | sharpe | but, that's all i've done for rockbox as of yet... |
03:24:52 | imphasing | That's cool.. |
03:24:58 | imphasing | I haven't done anything for it. |
03:24:58 | imphasing | :) |
03:25:02 | sharpe | lol |
03:25:07 | sharpe | it's not too useful though |
03:25:13 | imphasing | I deal mostly with ipodlinux |
03:25:22 | sharpe | i'm just... here... |
03:25:33 | sharpe | i deal with whatever i can, and that isn't much... |
03:25:41 | Shadowarrior13 | I don't even know why I'm in here. |
03:25:52 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm a dumbass. |
03:26:08 | sharpe | god, that was so random and funny... |
03:26:36 | imphasing | I wonder what time() rounds to... |
03:26:39 | imphasing | up or down? |
03:26:58 | sharpe | i'd say... |
03:27:08 | imphasing | 6.5 probably == 7 |
03:27:11 | imphasing | 6.4 == 6 |
03:27:14 | Shadowarrior13 | Yup. |
03:27:40 | sharpe | what about... zero?! |
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03:27:53 | imphasing | no idea |
03:27:53 | imphasing | hehe |
03:28:05 | sharpe | what would infinity round to? |
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03:28:54 | sharpe | considering it's a concept and not a number, i'm guessing it'd round as a theory. |
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03:29:24 | sharpe | that's kind of odd. |
03:29:47 | sharpe | i'm talking to myself again |
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03:31:09 | midkay | sharpe, not if i join in the conversation! |
03:31:40 | sharpe | nah, still about the same... |
03:31:43 | sharpe | :) |
03:32:20 | * | linuxstb goes to bed |
03:32:53 | midkay | linuxstb, by the way.. |
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03:33:07 | midkay | i redownloaded the 5x roms.. worked afterwards very well - thx |
03:33:10 | midkay | and nice work :) |
03:34:53 | linuxstb | midkay: Have you updated to the latest CVS? |
03:35:13 | sharpe | midkay, you seem like an inexaustable source of ideas, may i hear some? |
03:35:46 | midkay | linuxstb, yep - runs great |
03:35:48 | imphasing | sharpe: video player |
03:35:49 | imphasing | :P |
03:36:11 | midkay | sharpe, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....mm......m.......... |
03:36:46 | JD|Uni | 50bux if u can make divx run on rb at 25fps :D |
03:36:58 | midkay | sharpe, seemingly-serious-yet-completely-impossible-and-nutso ideas, kidding-serious ideas, or serious-serious ideas? :) |
03:37:03 | sharpe | when i complain about having nothing to do and ask if anyone has any ideas, i get no suggestions. but when i ask someone, people give me answers... |
03:37:12 | sharpe | either would work midkay |
03:37:20 | Benacool | even at 10 fps it will be cool ;-) |
03:37:36 | JD|Uni | sharpe, a pdf viewer |
03:37:42 | midkay | sharpe, ah. hm. realtime 30fps-ish playback of 1080p H.264 HD video. |
03:37:48 | sharpe | what about, a divx moving of a completely black screen? i'm sure i can make that run faster than 30 fps. |
03:37:55 | sharpe | movie |
03:37:55 | Benacool | midway: lol |
03:38:20 | sharpe | how about playback of 1 bit videos? |
03:38:39 | midkay | sharpe, or you could port quake4 to rockbox.. |
03:39:24 | sharpe | i could work on that pixel maze... |
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03:40:09 | JD|Uni | hahaha.. from a forum post.. a guy complaing how the queen closed off half of the sydney cbd this morning... his car was searched 3 times "Here's a newsflash lady, the 3 lots of cops that searched me weren't happy either, I overheard one saying "Fuck, who cares if someone's got a bomb, at least we won't have to do this again", as they rifled through my boot." |
03:40:40 | sharpe | heh... |
03:41:08 | midkay | haha. |
03:41:48 | * | imphasing is metering the half sized blit |
03:42:16 | sharpe | so, any more ideas? :) |
03:42:44 | imphasing | Weird..I'm measuring 6 fps, even though the half sized blit is much faster |
03:42:48 | imphasing | something is creepy here |
03:42:50 | imphasing | time to take a break |
03:42:50 | imphasing | :) |
03:42:58 | sharpe | it doesn't like you? |
03:43:36 | imphasing | yeah |
03:43:37 | imphasing | :/ |
03:44:11 | sharpe | hmm |
03:44:13 | midkay | sharpe, hm.. |
03:44:16 | JD|Uni | umm.. shoudl doing half the work be quicker than the full thing??? wierdo.. |
03:44:17 | sharpe | most code doesn't like me, either. |
03:46:12 | imphasing | JD|Uni: Yeah, it's close to real time with a half-sized blit |
03:46:16 | imphasing | my fps meter is just screwy |
03:46:26 | imphasing | I need a better method.. |
03:46:27 | imphasing | :/ |
03:47:38 | sharpe | umm... |
03:48:57 | sharpe | what about... |
03:49:34 | sharpe | counting each frame, and after so many frames divide it by the time difference? |
03:49:46 | imphasing | That' |
03:49:51 | imphasing | That's what I'm doing |
03:49:51 | imphasing | :P |
03:49:53 | JD|Uni | yay.. i can finally go home |
03:49:55 | JD|Uni | cyaz |
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03:49:58 | imphasing | my time difference is probably off though |
03:49:58 | sharpe | bye |
03:50:00 | sharpe | heh |
03:50:28 | sharpe | how are ye getting the time difference? |
03:51:04 | imphasing | if (frame_count == 0) time(&start_time); |
03:51:20 | imphasing | if (frame_count >= 200) time(&end_time); |
03:51:29 | imphasing | then I have a function that just writes them to a file |
03:51:33 | imphasing | and I calculate it |
03:51:39 | sharpe | wow, seems reasonable to me |
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03:51:54 | imphasing | yeah.. |
03:52:03 | sharpe | what about more frames, to get a better like average? |
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03:52:46 | sharpe | or, have it write the time every 90 or so frames? |
03:52:57 | imphasing | Hm, that could work |
03:53:25 | sharpe | if ((frame_count % 90) == 0) time(¤t_time); ? |
03:53:47 | imphasing | ah, good idea |
03:54:09 | sharpe | for once, go me... |
03:54:15 | imphasing | hehehe |
03:54:30 | sharpe | or have an array of time structs, so |
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03:55:01 | sharpe | if ((frame_count % 90) == 0) time(×[i++]); |
03:55:31 | * | imphasing scowls |
03:55:38 | sharpe | then just after however many frames, write them all to a file, and reset i to zero |
03:55:44 | sharpe | why the scowl? |
03:55:51 | imphasing | er |
03:55:54 | imphasing | I don't know, actually |
03:56:00 | sharpe | heh |
03:56:09 | * | imphasing munches an onion ring |
03:56:37 | sharpe | question |
03:56:48 | sharpe | what is the frame rate meter thing for anyway? |
03:57:02 | imphasing | So I can see how much optimizing needs to be done |
03:57:02 | imphasing | :) |
03:57:07 | sharpe | ah |
03:57:09 | sharpe | for what? :) |
03:57:14 | imphasing | ipodmame |
03:57:20 | sharpe | ah |
03:57:22 | imphasing | pacman/centipede/etc |
03:57:28 | sharpe | i see |
03:58:19 | sharpe | more like understand though. |
03:58:30 | imphasing | haha |
04:00 |
04:00:54 | sharpe | well, i can at least help other people do things |
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04:04:24 | sharpe | as if quitting wasn't self-explanitory enough. |
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04:07:38 | sharpe | so, how's the frame rate thing going? |
04:11:25 | midkay | sharpe, how's zip.rock!? :) |
04:11:41 | sharpe | how'd you guess it was named that? |
04:12:06 | sharpe | well, it's 2.33kb |
04:13:06 | sharpe | and it extracts uncompressed files... |
04:13:21 | sharpe | and gracefully tells you if it doesn't support said compression |
04:13:37 | sharpe | which is any... |
04:13:44 | sharpe | but still, it's somewhat cool. |
04:13:58 | midkay | haha. cool. :) |
04:14:00 | midkay | haha. |
04:14:20 | midkay | any plans to add decompression? |
04:14:34 | sharpe | yeah... |
04:14:48 | sharpe | but the problem is, i can't find any examples of it |
04:14:58 | sharpe | everything, goes back to zlib or gzip |
04:15:00 | midkay | just commited wormlet for all bitmap LCD models.. *crosses fingers for no compile errors* |
04:15:19 | midkay | untested on everything except ipod 5g and archos recorder.. probably going to be swamped with errors. but anyways. |
04:15:25 | midkay | hm. :( |
04:15:50 | sharpe | eh, i can test on my 5g... even though you already have |
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04:18:12 | midkay | feel free- get the latest cvs build when it's done in a minute ;) |
04:18:46 | midkay | whooo! |
04:18:50 | sharpe | what is wormlet, if you don't mind me asking? |
04:18:50 | midkay | yellow and red across the table |
04:18:51 | midkay | alright |
04:18:55 | sharpe | lol |
04:18:56 | midkay | it's a game like snake.. |
04:19:00 | sharpe | oh |
04:19:01 | sharpe | right |
04:19:08 | sharpe | i've got to see the cvs build table :) |
04:19:17 | sharpe | ahah |
04:19:18 | midkay | don't laugh |
04:19:19 | midkay | :( |
04:19:20 | midkay | :p |
04:19:30 | sharpe | but you're wrong, it's yellow red and green across it |
04:19:51 | midkay | ah, right, one or two greens :) |
04:19:54 | sharpe | :) |
04:19:59 | sharpe | more than i could probably do |
04:20:48 | sharpe | i'm just guessing. but, is your name Zakk? |
04:21:42 | JdGordon | only 1 tihng better than leaving uni.. |
04:21:48 | midkay | sharpe, yes |
04:21:56 | sharpe | okay, i'm just that good at guessing |
04:22:04 | sharpe | hey, i could fix that warning for the build for the video! |
04:22:31 | sharpe | and other assorted warning related problems |
04:22:46 | midkay | haha. |
04:22:48 | sharpe | wait, i could fix it for all of them! |
04:22:59 | midkay | sharpe, i'm working on it :) |
04:23:02 | sharpe | heh |
04:23:24 | sharpe | well, the errors seem easy to fix |
04:23:55 | midkay | they are.. |
04:24:04 | midkay | i just need to look up a few things |
04:24:10 | sharpe | yay! |
04:26:20 | sharpe | gah, i need to do something |
04:26:26 | sharpe | instead of just watching a movie. |
04:28:33 | JdGordon | which target is calmrisc? |
04:31:05 | midkay | JdGordon, gminis.. |
04:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: The gmini port. |
04:31:11 | midkay | not really functional |
04:31:28 | midkay | alright, committed a fix, i hope :) |
04:31:34 | JdGordon | ok |
04:31:58 | sharpe | yay time for critique? |
04:32:55 | sharpe | midkay, any more ideas for me? :) |
04:33:09 | midkay | sharpe, sec :) |
04:33:15 | sharpe | okay |
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04:34:52 | midkay | sharpe, hmm.. wow.. i'm surprised at how many plugins there are.. i can't really think of anything :) |
04:35:07 | sharpe | heh |
04:35:09 | sharpe | exactly. |
04:35:28 | midkay | a text editor! :) |
04:35:36 | sharpe | isn't someone already doing that? |
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04:35:54 | midkay | there's an apparently half-working one at plugbox.. dunno the plans for it |
04:36:04 | sharpe | heh |
04:36:59 | sharpe | well, down to two errors per target |
04:37:05 | sharpe | the ipods gained errors... |
04:37:55 | ScoTTie | anyone know how long iPod warranys are ? |
04:38:14 | JdGordon | midkay: ive done a fully working text editor for rb |
04:38:18 | sharpe | i think it's a year? |
04:38:25 | JdGordon | not as colourfull as the one on plugbox.. |
04:38:33 | ScoTTie | damn |
04:38:34 | ScoTTie | thanks |
04:38:38 | midkay | JdGordon, i hope not using the standard keyboard :) |
04:38:45 | midkay | sharpe, darn |
04:38:52 | midkay | holy CRAP |
04:38:55 | midkay | what the hell did i do? |
04:38:57 | JdGordon | midkay: actually yes... |
04:39:04 | sharpe | i have no idea midkay |
04:39:10 | midkay | it's almost worse |
04:39:14 | sharpe | almost |
04:39:20 | sharpe | at least they're the same errors :) |
04:39:24 | midkay | ah, i see.. |
04:39:24 | midkay | hmm |
04:39:30 | midkay | i'm not so sure about this one, it's weird.. |
04:39:38 | sharpe | um... |
04:39:44 | sharpe | mind if i look? |
04:40:03 | midkay | go ahead |
04:40:06 | sharpe | yay |
04:40:13 | midkay | doesn't even seem to be specific to wormlet |
04:40:19 | RotAtoR | midkay: you need to add a "\" at the end of the first lines |
04:40:31 | midkay | RotAtoR, huh? |
04:40:32 | creidiki | quick question re: themes? foreground and background aint setting... |
04:40:39 | RotAtoR | #if !(CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5_PAD) || \ |
04:40:40 | RotAtoR | !(CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_3G_PAD) |
04:40:41 | JdGordon | is wormlet another snake clone? |
04:40:47 | RotAtoR | notice the "\" |
04:40:50 | BHSPitLappy | so the description reads, JdGordon |
04:41:00 | midkay | oh - my bad - haha, i fixed that in wormlet.c (the two-line thing) but i did it again in SOURCES |
04:41:02 | sharpe | oh, i don't get a chance. |
04:41:08 | sharpe | oh well :) |
04:45:56 | sharpe | well, i suppose i'll be back tomorrow. |
04:46:05 | midkay | seeya sharpe |
04:46:09 | sharpe | byes |
04:46:28 | sharpe | and yeah, i'm going to leave irc open. |
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04:46:45 | sharpe | or mentally cause someone else to quit |
04:46:57 | imphasing | oh man. |
04:47:00 | imphasing | <−− idiot |
04:47:03 | Shadowarrior13 | Yay for PK |
04:47:03 | imphasing | AGAIM |
04:47:09 | sharpe | alrgiht, g'night everyone. |
04:47:20 | imphasing | I forgot that I have the frameskip set to 2... |
04:47:23 | imphasing | so the actual framerate is 12fps |
04:47:25 | imphasing | :) |
04:47:48 | sharpe | see, i told you that you were under-inflating it... :) |
04:47:53 | imphasing | hehehe |
04:47:53 | imphasing | :) |
04:48:04 | sharpe | okay, third time, bye everyone |
04:48:11 | imphasing | hehe |
04:48:12 | imphasing | ciao |
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04:54:10 | midkay | my god.. |
04:54:28 | Shadowarrior13 | Don't tell me you fed on asian babies. |
04:54:35 | midkay | haha. |
04:54:47 | midkay | i told you that was years ago. drop it. jesus. |
04:54:56 | Shadowarrior13 | Fine, fine. |
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04:58:55 | sharpe | you sick, sick people. |
05:00 |
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05:00:49 | sharpe | :) |
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05:02:08 | sharpe | okay, fourth time, night. |
05:02:37 | JdGordon | go already... |
05:02:42 | JdGordon | we r sick of u.... |
05:02:46 | JdGordon | ..jokes.. |
05:02:49 | JdGordon | just jokes... |
05:03:02 | sharpe | i know, it's all i'm good for. |
05:04:19 | sharpe | why do i keep coming back? |
05:04:33 | JdGordon | coz of the animal magetism here |
05:04:35 | midkay | sharpe, aaaaAAAa |
05:04:48 | sharpe | i've got rockbox on the mind? |
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05:07:36 | lostlogic | wow, pretty impressive scores on the build table! |
05:08:14 | midkay | lostlogic, thanks, it's all my work :) |
05:08:20 | sharpe | midkay mistook it for the highscore table? |
05:08:22 | midkay | it's like a beautiful painting.. |
05:08:55 | sharpe | except... using three colors... |
05:09:12 | midkay | the final aka probably-not-final fix is in cvs, yay |
05:09:12 | JdGordon | still too much green... do some more dud commits :p |
05:09:22 | midkay | haha. |
05:09:23 | sharpe | hell, i can do that... |
05:09:47 | JdGordon | lol @ how the 2nd attempt to fix the builds made more errors :D |
05:09:55 | midkay | JdGordon, fu man ;) |
05:10:00 | sharpe | the love... |
05:10:02 | JdGordon | haha |
05:14:05 | sharpe | wow midkay... |
05:14:14 | sharpe | you really are going for the painting... |
05:14:38 | midkay | sharpe, i got this :) |
05:14:42 | sharpe | lol |
05:15:11 | midkay | _YES_! |
05:15:12 | sharpe | yay! |
05:15:16 | midkay | i mean.. damn.. it's green.. |
05:15:30 | sharpe | such a beautiful sight, no compiler errors... lol |
05:15:46 | midkay | haha, yeah |
05:16:25 | sharpe | i need to find something to work on for rockbox. |
05:16:40 | midkay | sharpe, zip!! |
05:17:04 | sharpe | but, i dunno how i'd port the gzip code or the zlib code! |
05:17:11 | midkay | why not!! |
05:17:35 | sharpe | everything references it!! |
05:17:50 | sharpe | and, i don't want to dig thru it! |
05:17:51 | sharpe | lol... |
05:17:58 | midkay | haha. |
05:18:01 | sharpe | i'd be better off designing my own compression routine |
05:18:07 | midkay | do it!! |
05:18:23 | sharpe | rbc! |
05:18:27 | sharpe | rockbox compression |
05:19:07 | midkay | haha. |
05:19:24 | midkay | delete zip.c and forget you ever even attempted.. |
05:19:25 | sharpe | its amazing we can have anything branded with rockbox |
05:19:37 | sharpe | eh, i'm going to keep it, for sentimental reasons |
05:19:42 | midkay | haha. |
05:20:01 | sharpe | so instead of zip... |
05:20:04 | sharpe | now what? |
05:20:20 | midkay | it extracts/views uncompressed zips, right? |
05:20:23 | sharpe | si |
05:20:32 | midkay | that'd be pretty cool |
05:20:42 | sharpe | what would? |
05:21:02 | midkay | having that, if you're seriously giving up on supporting compression :) |
05:21:13 | sharpe | heh |
05:21:42 | sharpe | so, what should i do with it if i were to... postpone compression for a very long time? |
05:22:33 | midkay | submit it as a patch and hope it's not ignored? ;) |
05:22:51 | sharpe | a plugin as a patch? |
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05:22:59 | midkay | yes, that's where they go |
05:23:04 | sharpe | who knew... |
05:23:09 | midkay | haha. :) |
05:23:18 | sharpe | would i be credited? lol.. |
05:23:26 | midkay | if it were accepted, yes :) |
05:23:36 | sharpe | heh |
05:24:34 | midkay | are you going to submit it? |
05:24:39 | sharpe | eh, maybe i'll clean up the code tomorrow, try to make it a bit smaller, and if i give up on compression completely, i'll submit it |
05:24:50 | midkay | cool, i'd like to see. :) |
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05:25:00 | midkay | how's viewing/extracting handled? |
05:25:38 | sharpe | eh, extracting is done in a 1kb buffer |
05:25:58 | sharpe | which should be resizeable |
05:26:16 | sharpe | viewing is just a menu set up with all the entries in the zip |
05:26:16 | midkay | i mean how is the plugin used? |
05:26:19 | sharpe | viewer |
05:26:26 | midkay | aha, cool.. |
05:26:58 | sharpe | tis about 226 lines of code |
05:27:04 | sharpe | could probably get it smaller |
05:27:11 | sharpe | in size and compiled file size |
05:27:40 | midkay | wow |
05:27:46 | sharpe | only loads the first 128 (set in the plugin source) zip entries |
05:27:48 | sharpe | hmm? |
05:27:57 | midkay | 226 lines, impressive :) |
05:28:11 | sharpe | small? |
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05:28:58 | sharpe | inline functions... |
05:29:01 | sharpe | forgot how to make them |
05:29:08 | sharpe | er, define them |
05:31:04 | midkay | i have no idea :) |
05:31:10 | sharpe | lets hope im right |
05:31:11 | josh_ | sharpe: static inline functionname() { functionbody } |
05:31:13 | josh_ | in a header file |
05:31:22 | sharpe | okay |
05:31:25 | sharpe | thanks |
05:31:37 | josh_ | also, you need to compile with at least -O2 (or -finline-functions) |
05:32:27 | sharpe | time to see if it works |
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05:32:58 | webguest95 | hey there |
05:33:09 | webguest95 | here is a rockbow newbie |
05:33:20 | sharpe | nice to meet you |
05:33:24 | webguest95 | anybody do know anything about patches? |
05:34:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
05:34:26 | sharpe | well, i'm going to try the inline functions tomorrow |
05:34:31 | sharpe | going to sleep now |
05:34:36 | webguest95 | can i deal with thatg , not being a programer at all? |
05:34:40 | midkay | nite sharpe |
05:34:45 | sharpe | g'night |
05:35:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest95: Well, patches *require* that you at least be able to compile the source. |
05:35:51 | webguest95 | ok i don t even know what it means |
05:36:03 | webguest95 | so i guess i should forget bout it? |
05:37:24 | webguest95 | i m very greatfull to people that r able to do it and that make it available for people like me |
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06:18:29 | JdGordon | can any1 help me compile gcc for the sh target? |
06:18:41 | JdGordon | im getting make[2]: *** [libgcc/./embed-bb.o] Error 1 |
06:18:41 | JdGordon | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rockdev/build/gcc/gcc' |
06:18:41 | JdGordon | make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib] Error 2 |
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06:18:41 | JdGordon | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockdev/build/gcc/gcc' |
06:18:41 | JdGordon | make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 |
06:18:55 | JdGordon | this is after i did the workaround that was mentioned on the wiki |
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06:28:49 | ashridah | that's not actually showing the error tho |
06:29:09 | ashridah | go back up a few lines above the first instance where make's acknowledged the error and show us that |
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07:53:30 | amiconn | morning |
07:53:43 | midkay | morning amiconn :) |
07:55:02 | amiconn | midkay: (1) Why did you move 'wormlet.c' from its place in SOURCES? |
07:55:14 | amiconn | It was at the alphabetically correct place... |
07:55:20 | midkay | amiconn, what? |
07:55:31 | midkay | i needed to to get it to work on all targets.. |
07:55:34 | midkay | i think.. |
07:55:37 | amiconn | Yes. |
07:55:56 | midkay | yes. that. :) |
07:55:57 | amiconn | It was at the correct place (within the #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP, |
07:56:17 | amiconn | just within an additional #ifdef to only build it for recorders |
07:56:31 | amiconn | This is the only thing you'd had to change (or remove) |
07:56:40 | midkay | amiconn, my bad - when i saw it sitting there i thought it was a quick hack i did to get it to compile for the 5G without setting up the correct cases.. |
07:57:12 | amiconn | (2) If you wonder why your colour setting doesn't work - you're using a wrong #ifdef |
07:57:25 | amiconn | COLOR_LCD doesn't exist, it's called HAVE_LCD_COLOR |
07:57:34 | midkay | amiconn, i defined COLOR_LCD manually.. |
07:57:42 | amiconn | Why? |
07:57:45 | midkay | i guess in retrospect HAVE_LCD_COLOR would have been smarter. :) |
07:58:50 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/SOURCES?r1=1.97&r2=1.101&diff_format=l |
07:58:53 | JdGordon | can any1 help me get gcc compiling for the sh-1 targets? |
07:59:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: You need to use the newlib workaround |
07:59:50 | JdGordon | i did |
08:00 |
08:00:10 | JdGordon | its complaing about missing standard header files... but they are there and half of gcc built fine already |
08:00:16 | midkay | amiconn, that's weird, i never noticed it was set up in that way.. |
08:00:41 | midkay | amiconn, do you know why bejeweled and bounce are sitting there? |
08:01:13 | amiconn | Hmm? They start with 'b' and are for all bitmap targets... |
08:01:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: then you didn't do the newlib fix correctly |
08:01:32 | amiconn | *You* move wormlet up there... |
08:01:39 | amiconn | *moved |
08:01:41 | JdGordon | hey LinusN |
08:01:48 | JdGordon | yes i did.. but ill do it again.. |
08:02:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: After adding the symlink you need to 'configure' again |
08:02:12 | midkay | my bad again, i didn't realize the very top listing was for players too. :) |
08:02:18 | JdGordon | ah.. ok.. thats not in the wiki |
08:02:25 | midkay | quite amazing how many times i've looked at this and never noticed these patterns :) |
08:02:43 | amiconn | midkay: Line 1 (!): /* plugins common to all models */ |
08:02:55 | midkay | amiconn, i see that now |
08:03:22 | midkay | HAVE_LCD_COLOR is an ifdef, right? |
08:03:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: Better scrap the whole 'gcc' build dir and start over |
08:03:59 | amiconn | midkay: Yes, it's a true/false macro (exist/doesn't exist) |
08:04:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Could you test my H300 lcd init stuff? |
08:05:23 | midkay | amiconn, i just committed a fix - thank you |
08:05:51 | JdGordon | LinusN: any reason the open with patch hasnt been added yet? still tihnking of a better method for it? |
08:05:52 | amiconn | It appears to work correctly, but I can't test whether it does the init correctly at the actual cold-start (obviously) |
08:08:14 | LinusN | amiconn: what init stuff? |
08:09:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: iirc, it would solve the problem with having dual-function plugins in two places? |
08:10:08 | JdGordon | which would? |
08:10:20 | LinusN | your open-with patch |
08:10:26 | JdGordon | ye |
08:10:52 | JdGordon | i thought the part u didnt like was how i checkk for duplicates in the list.. |
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08:11:29 | amiconn | LinusN: What I did: (1) Shorten the init by a couple of unneeded steps and adhere more to the datasheet. (2) Do the port setup & hard reset only at first init. (3) Working lcd_flip() (4) Use standby mode when switching the lcd off to save a tiny bit more battery power |
08:11:30 | LinusN | JdGordon: well, i'd like to know why there are duplicates in the first place |
08:11:56 | LinusN | amiconn: i must have missed that patch |
08:12:13 | amiconn | It's not in the tracker... I should put it there |
08:12:20 | JdGordon | they are there coz the viewers.config reader puts each plugin in the list, without checking if 1 plugin can load more than 1 filetype... |
08:12:21 | amiconn | I just completed it last night |
08:12:36 | amiconn | For some reason I tend to ignore the tracker... |
08:12:36 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, you thought i have read the lod? |
08:12:42 | LinusN | log |
08:13:12 | amiconn | LinusN: No, I was just asking whether you would test & then put up the patch somewhere |
08:13:21 | LinusN | ah |
08:13:50 | LinusN | well, i haven't bdm-enabled my new h300 yet |
08:15:01 | LinusN | so either we wait with the patch, or you commit it and i clean up the damages when i test the next bootloader |
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08:15:37 | JdGordon | oh, can u please please work on the alaram timer for the h300?? |
08:15:43 | JdGordon | pretty pretty please.. |
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08:16:10 | LinusN | it's on my (very long) todo list |
08:16:28 | JdGordon | can it be moved up ? :) |
08:16:42 | LinusN | hehe |
08:19:36 | amiconn | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4824 |
08:20:08 | LinusN | amiconn: great |
08:21:15 | amiconn | Perhaps I should just commit it and see whether someone complains (hopefully not) |
08:21:27 | LinusN | that's an idea |
08:21:52 | amiconn | ..but perhaps you could have a look at it before |
08:22:01 | midkay | hm, problems with the build system again or something. |
08:22:13 | midkay | was expected to finish ten minutes ago |
08:22:58 | amiconn | Btw, I did remove all references to the undocumented bits. Doesn't seem to have any effect, maybe this was done to confuse RE people? |
08:26:51 | amiconn | t0mas? Bagder? |
08:27:24 | LinusN | amiconn: i doubt it, i think it might be trial-and-error remnants, or they might be necessary on the other type of h300 lcd |
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08:28:13 | amiconn | LinusN: Do we know a unit with this other type? |
08:28:42 | LinusN | no, i have only heard that jungti guy talking about them |
08:29:04 | amiconn | Maybe it's only a different panel? |
08:29:10 | LinusN | perhaps |
08:29:19 | LinusN | i guess we'll find out :-) |
08:31:01 | amiconn | The original init sequence does a couple of other silly things, |
08:31:04 | amiconn | like setting values that aren't needed at all (the compare thing - we use simple replace op) |
08:31:32 | amiconn | setting the same value twice in the same block |
08:32:40 | amiconn | setting different "sub-values" within a register where only other bits in that register should be changed |
08:34:25 | amiconn | I also compared the lcd-back-on behaviour of the original firmware and rockbox. If the lcd content is dark (e.g. showing a jpeg which doesn't fill the whole screen - black border), both produce a short flash of white |
08:34:41 | LinusN | amiconn: i guess they didn't read the data sheet as thoroughly as you did |
08:35:53 | amiconn | ...but the flash is shorter in rockbox, and it also doesn't show the instability in pixel brightness at the left border which I oserved in the original firmware |
08:36:59 | JdGordon | :'( hdd is full |
08:37:07 | JdGordon | damn this is getting annoygin |
08:38:17 | LinusN | the new distributed build system is fast - when it works... |
08:38:38 | LinusN | it's still a bit shaky |
08:39:03 | JdGordon | is a 3gb hdd image too big? |
08:39:08 | amiconn | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/lcd-h300.c?annotate=1.11 line 162/163: The number of lines isn't invalid, it's a mistake in the datasheet... |
08:39:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: too big for what? |
08:39:36 | JdGordon | i dunno... just too big |
08:40:08 | LinusN | amiconn: aha |
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08:41:20 | aliask | A little while ago I was playing around with rockbox on the iPod, and everything was so much faster than on the H300's. I'm just wondering why this is... |
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08:41:52 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/e789r_101.pdf page 32: The lower part of the table should read 11xxx. Easy to find out by filling in the missing part... |
08:43:29 | amiconn | NL4-0 == (number_of_lcd_lines - 8) / 8 |
08:46:22 | LinusN | aliask: maybe it's because the ipod is clocked at a higher freq, and maybe the lcd is faster? |
08:46:55 | aliask | It was most noteable while adding large numbers of files to a playlist, something I would have thought which was hard drive dependent. |
08:47:32 | amiconn | I guess it's because the fat driver/ file system doesn't need to byte-swap |
08:47:48 | amiconn | ..and maybe the raw ata read is faster too |
08:48:17 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
08:48:17 | * | amiconn should do some asm magic to iriver ata read/write |
08:48:29 | * | aliask would love you forever :) |
08:49:09 | JdGordon | why the heck is it taking soo much longer to compile gcc for sh than it did for m68k ?? :'( |
08:49:21 | aliask | iPods seem to be nicer devices, except for the input. Number of buttons and the whole clickwheel thing... |
08:51:22 | LinusN | JdGordon: it builds newlib |
08:58:54 | JdGordon | mmm... dinner smeels goood :D |
08:58:59 | * | JdGordon is having steak :D |
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08:59:38 | LinusN | i tested some asm magic for the iriver ata driver, and it boosted the performance quite a lot |
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09:00:12 | LinusN | but i lost the code somehow |
09:00:34 | JdGordon | haha.. that sux |
09:01:08 | LinusN | not that it was complicated though |
09:01:10 | amiconn | LinusN: I was about to ask you about your burst reading... |
09:01:17 | LinusN | hehe |
09:01:35 | amiconn | Well, there are basically 2 cases: 16 bit aligned and not 16 bit aligned |
09:01:45 | LinusN | and cache aligned |
09:01:55 | LinusN | sorry, burst aligned |
09:02:08 | amiconn | That can be corrected if not aligned right from the start |
09:02:13 | LinusN | yes |
09:02:19 | amiconn | Then the code flow is similar to memset |
09:02:23 | LinusN | my code didn't do that |
09:02:35 | amiconn | (one address is fixed, the other is running) |
09:02:38 | LinusN | i just made it as a test |
09:02:59 | LinusN | the test plugin had a cache aligned buffer |
09:03:40 | amiconn | What really hit me back when doing memcpy() is that all the bitshifting involved with an 8-bit offset still pays of when dealing with DRAM |
09:04:35 | amiconn | One move.l, two shifts, and one or.l per longword... |
09:09:43 | LinusN | sdram is sloooow |
09:11:30 | LinusN | and it's 16-bit |
09:11:43 | LinusN | and the bus freq is half the cpu freq |
09:14:07 | LinusN | so a non-burst sdram write would take 10 cpu cycles |
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09:17:57 | moda|DOOF | is there anyway to convert truetype fonts for use with rockbox? |
09:19:41 | safetydan | moda|DOOF, if you use FontForge I think that can open ttf files which you can then export |
09:20:12 | moda|DOOF | export to bdf or whatever rockbox uses? |
09:20:20 | amiconn | LinusN: A longword write already is a burst access. The bus controller can do 2-byte (for 8-bit areas), 4-byte and 16-byte bursts |
09:20:29 | amiconn | For some reason no 8-byte bursts |
09:20:40 | safetydan | moda|DOOF, I assume bdf |
09:20:46 | safetydan | there might be a thread on misticriver about it |
09:21:18 | LinusN | amiconn: but does that apply to the sdram controller? |
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09:22:00 | moda|DOOF | there is no sane way to download fontforge omg |
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09:22:26 | moda|DOOF | why cant i just download + install like a normal app |
09:23:17 | JdGordon | thanks for commiting linusN |
09:23:52 | moda|DOOF | is there an alternate to font forge safetydan? |
09:24:01 | moda|DOOF | too much bother to install. egh |
09:24:22 | amiconn | LinusN: Appears to be the case |
09:24:52 | amiconn | longword accesses are faster than 2 word accesses |
09:25:24 | safetydan | moda|DOOF, no idea, I don't really do font editing |
09:25:38 | moda|DOOF | yer, lol |
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09:26:03 | safetydan | moda|DOOF, you should already have cygwin installed if you're planning to compile Rockbox. |
09:27:30 | JdGordon | does ~135kb sound right for rockbox.ucl? |
09:27:33 | moda|DOOF | planning to compile rockbox? bah that |
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09:27:52 | JdGordon | for the archos recorder |
09:27:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: recorder v1? Then yes, and rombox.ocl should be ~207KB |
09:28:05 | amiconn | rombox.ucl |
09:28:22 | amiconn | ajbrec.ajz will be ~135KB too |
09:28:33 | JdGordon | 218kb? |
09:29:38 | amiconn | Hmm, here rockbox.ucl: 128KB, ajbrec.ajz 129KB, rombox.ucl 208KB |
09:30:02 | amiconn | What gcc did you use? Did you build plain cvs? |
09:31:20 | JdGordon | gcc 3.3.6 yup, plain cvs |
09:31:46 | amiconn | What newlib did you use for the trick? |
09:31:57 | JdGordon | 1.11 |
09:32:01 | amiconn | 1.14 here |
09:32:24 | JdGordon | should i do it all again with 1.14? filesize is a big thing for sh targets isnt it? |
09:32:38 | amiconn | yes |
09:33:17 | amiconn | ..but I don't know whether this rather big difference is because of newlib only |
09:33:23 | moda|DOOF | what kinda font does rb use? |
09:33:30 | amiconn | The numbers remind me of gcc 3.4.x... |
09:33:31 | B4gder | moda|DOOF: its own format |
09:33:31 | LinusN | amiconn: how do you do 2 word accesses without fetching an instruction in between? |
09:33:45 | moda|DOOF | B4gder: anyway to convert ttf to rb font then? |
09:33:49 | JdGordon | ... well it might be coz i was too lazy to restart the build after adding the newlib fix.. so that could be why... |
09:33:54 | B4gder | moda|DOOF: we convert from BDF |
09:33:57 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you mean? |
09:34:01 | B4gder | so convert your ttf to bdf first |
09:34:04 | amiconn | For the speed comparison? |
09:34:14 | moda|DOOF | having trouble finding a program to do that |
09:34:25 | amiconn | Well, the instructions are cached after the first loop iteration... |
09:34:32 | B4gder | moda|DOOF: peopel have mentioned converters in the past |
09:34:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|DOOF: Specifically, you're having problems finding one that you *like* |
09:34:40 | B4gder | but I don't know which/where/how |
09:34:42 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, the code is in sdram? |
09:35:09 | moda|DOOF | no Paul_The_Nerd, im having trouble finding one that i can actually understand |
09:35:09 | moda|DOOF | .... |
09:35:26 | amiconn | It doesn't matter. |
09:35:28 | moda|DOOF | fine then, ill go try this fontforge dealy thingo |
09:35:48 | JdGordon | whats the make target to remove it completly? |
09:35:59 | JdGordon | actually dw.. |
09:36:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|DOOF: It takes a little work to get it set up, but it'll do you good. A learning opportunity, as it were. One step closer to being an advanced computer user. |
09:36:51 | LinusN | amiconn: oh, so it caches iram code? |
09:37:18 | amiconn | yes |
09:37:21 | moda|DOOF | yer, woo :p |
09:37:22 | amiconn | (afaik) |
09:37:48 | moda|DOOF | and this mirror calls itself australian, wtf 800kbytes/s. slow.......... |
09:38:02 | JdGordon | whats the screen cmd to create a new window? |
09:38:58 | t0mas | ctrl + a -> n |
09:39:14 | JdGordon | ta |
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09:40:27 | LinusN | amiconn: it seems like it would be a waste of cache |
09:41:01 | t0mas | JdGordon: it's ctrl + a -> c |
09:41:03 | t0mas | N = next |
09:41:05 | t0mas | C = create |
09:41:08 | t0mas | my bad :) |
09:41:39 | JdGordon | ye, i thought it was ctrl-a, ctrl-c but the first time i tried it quit the app that was runnning... working now |
09:42:02 | moda|DOOF | cygwin doesnt like me :p lol |
09:42:23 | nudel | Why is colinux faster at compiling than cygwin? aren't they both running the same GCC compiled with the same GCC? |
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09:43:13 | LinusN | nudel: it's not the gcc that is slow, it's the cygwin unix emulation layer |
09:44:01 | nudel | they managed to make loading and writing files slow? impressive :) |
09:44:36 | amiconn | LinusN: There must be slight differences between the same cross-gcc on cygwin and linux |
09:45:13 | LinusN | possibly |
09:45:18 | amiconn | For some reason, an ajbrec.ajz compiled with gcc 3.3.6 on cygwin has a slightly different size than an ajbrec.ajz compiled with gcc 3.3.6 on linux |
09:45:31 | amiconn | Both built using the same newlib 1.14 for the trick |
09:45:38 | amiconn | Both binaries run fine... |
09:45:50 | * | JdGordon is on colinux, not cygwin... |
09:47:08 | moda|DOOF | wtf is xinit? |
09:47:22 | moda|DOOF | and it tells me to type that and it says command not found... |
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09:48:07 | B4gder | moda|DOOF: it starts the X server |
09:48:23 | B4gder | although I usually use startx these days |
09:48:37 | moda|DOOF | it doesnt like either of them |
09:48:45 | B4gder | and you have X windows installed? |
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09:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|DOOF: Did you make sure to have cygwin install all the required packages listed? |
09:49:00 | moda|DOOF | yes |
09:49:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | All the ones it says fontforge needs? |
09:49:10 | moda|DOOF | i hopeso |
09:49:19 | moda|DOOF | forgive my noobness btw |
09:49:19 | B4gder | well, I can use startx fine on my cygwin |
09:49:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure which one xinit comes with, but it works for my cygwin install. |
09:49:30 | B4gder | that's about the only commmand I use |
09:49:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | You may want to double check the list. |
09:50:07 | nudel | you need to install X to make BDF fonts? :-( |
09:50:14 | B4gder | nudel: no |
09:50:23 | B4gder | but if you want to run X apps you need X |
09:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudel: One of the more common tools to convert from TTF to BDF seems to require X. |
09:50:41 | moda|DOOF | mmm dinner |
09:50:42 | nudel | ah, but there are alternatives? |
09:50:48 | B4gder | yes |
09:50:48 | moda|DOOF | and yer, reinstalling cygwin |
09:51:56 | JdGordon | im heading out for a while... would anyone like to keep an eye on my box, make sure everything works (and get the arm target installing.. ? ) |
09:53:25 | BHSPitLappy | wha?? |
09:54:03 | JdGordon | im running the compile in screen... so im wondering if any1 is bored enough to login in a while and get arm installing.. and finish the sh gcc install :p |
09:54:46 | nudel | Is there a way to hide certain files and folders from view? Does the Hidden attribute work? (If not would it be easy for me to patch it, with no knowledge of RB code yet?) |
09:55:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudel: Hidden works, if you have it in "Show supported" mode |
09:55:29 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon: heh. |
09:55:31 | nudel | excellent |
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10:01:44 | ironi_ | hi people |
10:02:01 | ironi_ | wow there is A LOT of people here |
10:02:08 | ironi_ | haven't been around since like 2002 |
10:02:09 | ironi_ | :) |
10:02:19 | safetydan | hrm... half an hour at work and bored already... wish I'd brought my WPS parsing code to work on... |
10:02:20 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
10:02:33 | B4gder | ironi_: we've grown up since then ;-) |
10:02:35 | ironi_ | heard that rockbox is goping ipod |
10:02:40 | B4gder | and welcome back! ;-) |
10:02:43 | BHSPitLappy | ironi_: correct |
10:02:48 | ironi_ | B4gder: hehe i remember my archod 6000 <3 |
10:03:04 | BHSPitLappy | ironi_: rockbox is now kicking ass on iPods... |
10:03:38 | ironi_ | really cool |
10:03:48 | ironi_ | i sold my archos a long time ago |
10:03:58 | ironi_ | managed to have a 2g ipod and a ipod mini |
10:04:15 | ironi_ | but now i dont have any but of course i need ot get a nano now that i know there is rockbox available for it :) |
10:04:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other than the storage capacity, Rockbox+Nano is wonderful. |
10:05:16 | ironi_ | k |
10:05:37 | ironi_ | hehe i told my friend who told me about rockbox that I came up with the name rockbox |
10:05:48 | ironi_ | he did not believe me |
10:05:50 | ironi_ | :P |
10:06:05 | Shadowarrior13 | I wonder why |
10:06:21 | Shadowarrior13 | :P |
10:06:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I read through the thread from when you people were voting. I must admit, of the choices Rockbox is not the one I would've picked. |
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10:06:51 | Shadowarrior13 | Has anyone noticed that this channel has become less about the archos and more about the ipod? :P |
10:07:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: It's not supposed to be about the archos. OR the iPod. |
10:07:21 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: hehe well iu wouldnt either today :) |
10:07:34 | Shadowarrior13 | Well, you know what I mean. |
10:07:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | ironi_: Hehehe. I'm kinda a fan of the one that got overruled. |
10:07:51 | ironi_ | but then again i didnt give it like more than 1 minute tohught |
10:07:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: Most of the people asking for help are iPod users now, yes. |
10:08:57 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: rocky? |
10:09:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | ironi_: Orpheus. |
10:09:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've always been a fan of the story anyway. |
10:10:23 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: nic ename but i immediately think about sennheiser orpheus |
10:10:43 | ironi_ | but it is a great name, really |
10:11:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
10:12:15 | ironi_ | need to los emy sony ericsson w800i , get a simple cellphone and the nano. |
10:12:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
10:12:41 | ironi_ | so with rockboxi can make my own directory structure and everything, just like the good old days ont he archos |
10:12:45 | ironi_ | ? |
10:12:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Exactly |
10:12:47 | B4gder | ironi_: make Rockbox run on the w800! ;-) |
10:12:59 | ironi_ | B4gder: hehehe now that would be _a bit_ more difficult |
10:13:20 | B4gder | its ARM based... |
10:13:22 | ironi_ | rockbox gms module |
10:13:24 | B4gder | :-) |
10:13:24 | ironi_ | gsm |
10:13:39 | B4gder | no, the gsm stuff is most likely not in the same parts anyway |
10:13:50 | B4gder | isn't that one Symbian-based? |
10:13:52 | Lynx_ | will my h300 use more energy if i have the equalizer turned on? |
10:13:52 | ironi_ | the only way would be a rockbox j2me implementation |
10:14:08 | ironi_ | w800i is not symbian based no. |
10:14:12 | B4gder | ah, ok |
10:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lynx_: Yes. |
10:14:51 | B4gder | I learned that Symbian phones always have the UI on one CPU and the real-time GSM/UMTS stuff in a separate CPU |
10:15:41 | Bg3r | B4gder where do you know from that it's arm based ? |
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10:16:07 | B4gder | Bg3r: I don't, I thought it was a Symbian one and they are ARM |
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10:16:27 | Bg3r | ah, okay |
10:16:46 | B4gder | but I think guessing on ARM is a pretty good guess anyway |
10:16:57 | Bg3r | because ? |
10:17:09 | B4gder | because ARM is dominating everything these days |
10:17:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
10:17:22 | Bg3r | hehe |
10:17:24 | B4gder | and they are very frequently used in phones |
10:17:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Except PDAs, right? Aren't a lot of those xscale or something? |
10:17:35 | BHSPitLappy | my pda is arm... |
10:17:36 | B4gder | xscale is ARM-on-speed |
10:17:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
10:17:41 | Lynx_ | It would be great if equalizer presets could be loaded according to the id3 genre tag :) |
10:17:42 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd :P |
10:17:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | My old HP PDA is arm anyway |
10:17:50 | BHSPitLappy | my pocket pc is StrongARM, whatever that is |
10:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Back from before HP was Compaq |
10:18:05 | B4gder | strongarm is also an ARM symbling |
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10:23:19 | safetydan | Lynx_, a few people have asked for that... it seems a bit silly to me though since it'd be a very rough match |
10:23:48 | safetydan | possibly easier to do with per album/track config files... I wonder if anyone is working on that |
10:24:41 | Lynx_ | safetydan: well, it depends on how well you tag your files i guess |
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10:24:46 | B4gder | safetydan: I don't think so, but if the work on album-art and lyrics in the song buffer gets good it could be used for that too |
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10:25:34 | B4gder | the problem with past efforts have been that they loaded the config from disk at each song change |
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10:28:04 | moda|DOOF | ok, now what do i do once ive got fontforge running and my ttf font open? |
10:28:26 | safetydan | moda|DOOF, save as BDF then use bdf2... whatever the rockbox tool is |
10:28:52 | moda|DOOF | kk |
10:29:35 | moda|DOOF | can i just go save as and change the extension to bfd? |
10:29:45 | moda|DOOF | coz i cant find any export or convert functions |
10:30:30 | ironi_ | ipod 30gb for 200 euros |
10:30:37 | ironi_ | thats a pretty godd deal isnt it |
10:30:38 | moda|DOOF | and the rockbox tool is in the rockbox dev kit, right? |
10:31:39 | BHSPitLappy | moda|DOOF: sure, changing the extension works, that's how I converted all my mp3's to music videos |
10:32:03 | LinusN | BHSPitLappy: that was mean :-) |
10:32:06 | moda|DOOF | ..... nice lie |
10:32:07 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
10:32:14 | BHSPitLappy | couldn't resist... |
10:32:40 | BHSPitLappy | I like how "that was mean" was appended with an approving smile |
10:33:06 | moda|DOOF | ok, so where is the dev kit.... |
10:33:55 | moda|DOOF | or this bdf2rockbox tool? |
10:34:04 | BHSPitLappy | in the CVS |
10:34:42 | moda|DOOF | ahh. slaps head |
10:35:34 | B4gder | and convbdf is its name |
10:36:23 | moda|DOOF | ok, im lost, where in the cvs. source, or the build of the cvs/ |
10:36:29 | moda|DOOF | noobness again, sorry :p |
10:36:58 | moda|DOOF | k nvm, read how to get the cvs |
10:37:15 | Bg3r | moda|DOOF did you really think that the difference is *just* in 3 letters at the end of the file ? |
10:37:26 | Bg3r | of the file name |
10:38:06 | moda|DOOF | huh? |
10:39:50 | moda|DOOF | ..? |
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10:43:55 | SereR0kR | any mac users here? |
10:44:30 | SereR0kR | I want to do tripple boot Apple OS/Rockbox/iPL |
10:44:41 | SereR0kR | first I want to install iPL |
10:44:53 | SereR0kR | but I don't know how to format my iPod for iPL under OS X |
10:45:03 | SereR0kR | can anyone help me? |
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10:45:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there's an ipodlinux channel... |
10:45:13 | coob | if you want to run rockbox you'll need it fatf ormatted |
10:45:27 | coob | the best way to do this is with the windows apple ipod updater |
10:45:33 | SereR0kR | yes |
10:45:40 | SereR0kR | I am installing windows on VPC |
10:45:47 | SereR0kR | then i'll restore my iPod to fat32 |
10:45:58 | ironi_ | do you guys know what the quality of the newst 30gb ipod is? i have an offer to buy a spanking new 30gb ipod for 210 euro |
10:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | coob: For iPodLinux you also need an ext2 or ext3 partition, which is best created under linux, I believe. |
10:46:09 | ironi_ | but there is no warranty |
10:46:18 | SereR0kR | yes Paul_The_Nerd but isn't there a way to do it under OSX ? |
10:46:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | SereR0kR: I dunno. I use rockbox. It doesn't require an ext2 partition. |
10:46:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, you may want to ask in the iPodLinux channel |
10:46:53 | coob | Paul_The_Nerd: why are you telling me that? :) |
10:47:04 | * | coob ipl dev |
10:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | coob: Because he was asking about the partition necessary for linux, and you were answering about rockbox. ;-) |
10:47:15 | SereR0kR | I want iPL for iDoom -.- it rules :> |
10:47:20 | Shadowarrior13 | Oh yes |
10:47:25 | Shadowarrior13 | Yes it does |
10:47:30 | Shadowarrior13 | Especially on the video |
10:47:33 | SereR0kR | yep |
10:47:41 | * | Paul_The_Nerd plays Doom on his iPod under Rockbox, then looks back up to answer more questions. :-P |
10:47:43 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm gonna play it now >.> |
10:47:50 | SereR0kR | fu |
10:47:50 | SereR0kR | ^^ |
10:47:57 | Shadowarrior13 | Paul, it got patched for the ipod? |
10:48:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: You've seen the patch in the tracker, right? For Doom on Rockbox? |
10:48:25 | Shadowarrior13 | Oh yeah. |
10:48:26 | SereR0kR | Paul_The_Nerd if you could explain how to patch it for Rockbox :> i will install rockbox only ;> |
10:48:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | ANd the thread that I've answered to about a bajillion times in the forums explaining the tiny changes needed to that patch to get it up and running on ipod. |
10:48:39 | Shadowarrior13 | I never even messed with that :P |
10:48:56 | SereR0kR | is there an installation manual? xD |
10:49:07 | SereR0kR | for rockbox doom on ipod? |
10:49:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | SereR0kR: Doom isn't part of rockbox yet. It's only a patch. |
10:49:20 | SereR0kR | yes |
10:49:29 | SereR0kR | is there a manual how to patch rockbox? =P |
10:49:38 | Shadowarrior13 | Someone should put that shit in the cvs and MAKE it a part of rockbox :P |
10:49:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches/ |
10:49:55 | SereR0kR | I have to compile it myself ay? |
10:50:03 | SereR0kR | The "Main/WorkingWithPatches" web does not exist |
10:50:03 | SereR0kR | The "Main/WorkingWithPatches" web does not exist |
10:50:05 | SereR0kR | -.- |
10:50:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: Fix it so that it fits in the plugin buffer, and remove the warnings, and then they might think about it. :-P |
10:50:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
10:50:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | One second |
10:50:32 | linuxstb | SereR0kR: Remove the last "/" from that URL |
10:50:35 | Shadowarrior13 | lol, that better have been directed at someone else :P |
10:50:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
10:50:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right |
10:50:54 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm just here for moral support. |
10:50:56 | Shadowarrior13 | >.> |
10:51:24 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Can you remind me what FPS pacbox gets on your Nano? |
10:51:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | SereR0kR: If you plan to play much doom, maybe better off triple booting anyway. The controls aren't really optimal yet. |
10:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: ~25 as of yesterday. |
10:51:48 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, controls on ipl are pretty. |
10:51:56 | SereR0kR | oh ok ;> |
10:51:56 | SereR0kR | ^^ |
10:52:00 | Shadowarrior13 | DIE ZOMBIE |
10:52:16 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: So it could be possible to get it running at 30fps then... |
10:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Sure, weak up the cop, and dedicate it exclusively to that plugin, and you're done. :-P |
10:52:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | s/weak/wake |
10:52:54 | linuxstb | Not even that :) |
10:54:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | But yeah, I'm sure 30fps is not an unreasonable goal |
10:54:05 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: When you have some time, can you change the "#define FPS" at the top of pacbox.c from 20 to 30 and see how many FPS it can achieve then? |
10:54:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: As soon as this build of GCC gets done, I'll try it out. I'm setting up an SH1 cross compiler (I'm hoping to convince my brother to give/loan me his AJBR since it's just gathering dust) |
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11:05:05 | ironi_ | so if im in stockholm but cant really contribute in any way more than the facxt that im getting a 30 gb ipod today |
11:05:09 | ironi_ | should i come to the devcon :) |
11:06:14 | B4gder | sure, if you want to meat "the gang" ;-) |
11:06:27 | ironi_ | meat as in beat up? |
11:06:28 | ironi_ | :) |
11:06:29 | LinusN | you could stop by for a chat, and join the crowd of screaming fans outside the building :-) |
11:06:33 | moda|DOOF | ok, i got the cvs, how do i run convbdf? /hides |
11:06:35 | ironi_ | LinusN: haha. |
11:06:54 | B4gder | no throwing of underwear please |
11:07:00 | LinusN | there are already hundreds of fans camping outside |
11:07:10 | ironi_ | LinusN: would you buy a 30gb ipod from blocket for 2000 kr |
11:07:34 | ironi_ | withou warranty, "a present from my mother in spain, its not even opened" |
11:07:45 | LinusN | blocket, now that's a suspicious site (looks at zagor) :-) |
11:07:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: With it set to 30, I get 33.5ish |
11:07:57 | LinusN | (zagor works there) |
11:08:04 | ironi_ | he does? hehe. |
11:08:08 | moda|DOOF | ok, i got the cvs, how do i run convbdf? anyone..... |
11:08:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Sorry, actually playing 34.75 rather consistently it seems |
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11:08:36 | LinusN | ironi_: i don't know if i'd buy it |
11:08:38 | ironi_ | LinusN: when will they make some imporvememnts to that site considering logiv? hire me and ill make the UI much smarter. |
11:08:58 | LinusN | ironi_: email them and ask |
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11:09:08 | ironi_ | LinusN: well it's 3200kr in the store, the question here is mainly how good the quality is on the ipods |
11:09:16 | preglow | hmm |
11:09:29 | ironi_ | wowo would be cool to have an ipod and be able to make my own direcotry structure |
11:09:33 | * | preglow wonders how to support tab ordering in win32 programs |
11:09:49 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: That's odd.... But I guess it's good news. Can you also try enabling the "framerate control"? Remove the #ifdef SIMULATOR at line 319 of pacbox.c |
11:10:10 | linuxstb | preglow: I know wxwidgets does it.... |
11:10:15 | moda|DOOF | anyone, what do i do with convbdf to make it work? |
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11:11:11 | preglow | linuxstb: well, it might be an idea to port it to something more clever |
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11:11:20 | preglow | but i don't have time to do it myself, at least |
11:11:22 | linuxstb | preglow: If you have 5 minutes to spare sometime, could you take a quick look at the ARM optimisation I wrote for pacbox and let me know if you spot any obvious improvements? |
11:11:29 | preglow | linuxstb: will do |
11:11:30 | ironi_ | LinusN: you have an archos or an ipod yourself? |
11:11:33 | linuxstb | Maybe Cassandra could integrate it into her installer. |
11:11:46 | linuxstb | (or someone else could once she publishes the source) |
11:11:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|DOOF: Have you compiled it? What problem are you having exactly? |
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11:11:51 | LinusN | i have 3 archoses but no ipod |
11:12:03 | linuxstb | preglow: It's my first ARM assembler routine, so be gentle on me :) |
11:12:29 | moda | Paul_The_Nerd: ive got the source, and i dont know what to do :p |
11:13:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: 30 after doing that. |
11:13:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 30 +/- about 0.03 or so, it looks like |
11:14:37 | moda | how do i compile convbdf |
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11:16:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda': gcc convbdf.c -o convbdf.exe |
11:16:33 | moda` | ok |
11:17:41 | moda` | then what? lol |
11:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you have the tool. |
11:19:27 | moda` | yea, how do i run it and convert fonts then? |
11:19:41 | moda` | and im sorry, i must be really testing everyones patience, me being a noob and all |
11:20:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda': You do know how to run a program, right? |
11:20:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a .exe, so this should be "basic computer use" at this point |
11:21:48 | Slasheri | hmm, now the charging status reporting seems to work well. The charged amount in the charge icon is displayed as static bar and the other part being charged is animated |
11:22:02 | Slasheri | i will test that more in the evening and probably commit then :) |
11:24:05 | preglow | linuxstb: want me to just create a patch with suggestions or something? |
11:24:41 | linuxstb | preglow: That's probably easiest. I'm assuming you've spotted a few things then.... |
11:26:01 | preglow | one thing so far, but i was wrong about it :( |
11:26:32 | moda` | <Paul_The_Nerd> It's a .exe, so this should be "basic computer use" at this point <−−- erm. executed normally in windows, it wants a cygwin1.dll, and i dont know what else to do :( |
11:26:47 | c0utta | LinusN: you listening linus? |
11:27:08 | moda` | nevermind |
11:28:03 | LinusN | c0utta: yes |
11:28:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda': In cygwin, browse to where it is, and type ./convbdf.exe |
11:28:29 | moda` | yea, i figured it out |
11:28:30 | c0utta | we spoke on irc about increasing playlist size last week |
11:29:25 | moda` | and now my problem is that the file isnt right |
11:29:28 | moda` | woo, back to fontforge |
11:29:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, GCC 3.3.6 officially takes forever to build with that newlib trick on my computer. Maybe it'll be done sometime this week. |
11:30:45 | c0utta | linusn: i must have missed something - i increased the CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION and increased max_files_in_playlist to 16 bits |
11:31:03 | markun | moda`: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
11:31:08 | LinusN | c0utta: yes? |
11:31:31 | c0utta | linusn: same result as before with 15 bits |
11:31:41 | moda` | what should the bdf resolution be? |
11:31:48 | LinusN | you mean you can't set it higher in the settings? |
11:32:16 | c0utta | i increased in via the cfg file |
11:32:22 | c0utta | in=it |
11:33:07 | LinusN | ok, how did you verify it? |
11:33:43 | c0utta | i loaded the huge playlist and still received "playlist buffer full" |
11:34:04 | c0utta | and ended up with a playlist of approx 7000 |
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11:40:50 | moda` | YAY |
11:40:55 | moda` | now i have a sg.fnt. yay |
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11:41:39 | moda` | wow, it looks really unco. lol |
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11:55:17 | preglow | linuxstb: can't find anything inefficient in its current form |
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11:56:15 | LinusN | c0utta: you know that you need to reboot after changing that setting? |
11:59:21 | c0utta | LinusN: I can see the problem - with a flashed jbr i'm going to get the flashed version every time even if I rolo it |
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12:01:25 | LinusN | really? |
12:01:31 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, thanks for looking. |
12:02:01 | LinusN | c0utta: run the cfg file, then make sure the disk spins up to save the setting, then rolo |
12:03:20 | LinusN | you'd have to rolo before running the cfg file of course |
12:04:56 | c0utta | LinusN: interesting - max playlist size is now 17232 |
12:05:31 | LinusN | cool :-) |
12:06:35 | c0utta | ha! |
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12:12:52 | BHSPitLappy | interesting - I'm up at 5:12am on a school night :/ |
12:12:53 | SereR0kR | is there a way to format an iPod under OS X to FAT32 without Windows and without using Rockbox? |
12:14:08 | linuxstb | SereR0kR: Yes - see the instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
12:14:43 | linuxstb | But if you're looking to install ipodlinux, then that won't help you. |
12:15:05 | BHSPitLappy | if you're aiming for both, my advice is to install iPL first. |
12:15:52 | linuxstb | I agree - but installation of IPL onto a FAT32 iPod using Mac OS X isn't easy. |
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12:16:22 | SereR0kR | i will use mandrake |
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12:17:43 | Paprica | LinusN, what about rockcalendar? |
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12:24:36 | LinusN | Paprica: i haven't looked at it, been too busy |
12:24:48 | Paprica | ok |
12:24:58 | Paprica | someone else check it? |
12:25:45 | Paprica | Mikachu, here? |
12:25:48 | Mikachu | yeah |
12:25:51 | Mikachu | just got home from school |
12:25:57 | Paprica | haha me too |
12:26:05 | Paprica | mm PM |
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12:26:23 | Mikachu | i didn't get any |
12:28:01 | Paprica | and now? =] |
12:28:48 | ashridah | you know, what i don't get is why 'gl' is assuming that talent is rare. TIME might be, but talent most certainly isn't rare. |
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12:32:33 | SereR0kR | linuxstb -> linuxstbSereR0kR: Yes - see the instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX <- I read this, when I formatted my iPod to FAT32 there is no firmware right? how can I get only the Apple OS on my ipod? |
12:33:58 | linuxstb | SereR0kR: The firmware is the Firmware-??? file you've copied from the iPod updater. You can just the diskdump utility to write that file to your iPod. |
12:34:08 | tucoz | Do we need the feature comparison between the stock firmwares and Rockbox in the manual? I thing I will remove that section. |
12:34:16 | SereR0kR | ok |
12:34:48 | tucoz | *think |
12:35:11 | linuxstb | tucoz: I think it would be nice to include it - but it would obviously need a separate table for every target, so it's a lot of work. |
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12:42:02 | SereR0kR | linuxstb my idea is to "./diskdump -r /dev/disk3 bootpartition.bin" and after formatting "./diskdump -w /dev/disk3 bootpartition.bin" is that right? |
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12:42:40 | fantomas | SereR0kR: did you find a way how to install Doom? :) |
12:43:06 | SereR0kR | I just want a FAT32 iPod first |
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12:43:48 | SereR0kR | but i dunno if this: "./diskdump -r /dev/disk3 bootpartition.bin" - formatting - "./diskdump -w /dev/disk3 bootpartition.bin" will work |
12:44:35 | linuxstb | SereR0kR: If your iPod is currently HFS, then diskdump won't work. |
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12:45:07 | linuxstb | But the Firmware-??? file from the iPod updater will just be the same as a bootpartition.bin file copied from an iPod. |
12:45:16 | SereR0kR | really? |
12:45:19 | SereR0kR | it's smaller O.o |
12:45:35 | Mikachu | why would you want to backup and restore the boot partition when you format another partition? |
12:46:25 | SereR0kR | the 5G bootpartition.bin is something like 80MB |
12:46:44 | SereR0kR | and the firmware from the Updater is 12MB |
12:46:51 | SereR0kR | I think it's not the same |
12:47:02 | Mikachu | they waste a lot of space, nobody really knows why |
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12:47:11 | SereR0kR | o.O |
12:47:29 | ironi_ | wohooo |
12:47:33 | SereR0kR | so nothing will happen when I will apply this Firmware Image to my iPod? |
12:47:37 | ironi_ | got the ipod now |
12:49:29 | linuxstb | SereR0kR: It is the same - 68MB of the bootpartition.bin file is just a copy of unused space. |
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12:49:38 | SereR0kR | ok |
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12:50:10 | Mikachu | you can put ipl in that space for example |
12:50:20 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Not on a 5g or Nano. |
12:50:20 | SereR0kR | so i format and then ./diskdump -w /dev/disk3 Firmware-13.6.1 |
12:50:23 | Mikachu | if you don't use apple os too much |
12:50:34 | SereR0kR | right? |
12:51:04 | Mikachu | linuxstb: how much of the space do they use for hibernating? |
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12:51:07 | Mikachu | has anyone checked? |
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12:52:00 | linuxstb | SereR0kR: Yes - assuming Firmware-13.6.1 is the correct firmware for your iPod, and it is /dev/disk3 |
12:52:11 | SereR0kR | yes it is ;> |
12:52:13 | SereR0kR | I checked :> |
12:52:19 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No idea - but I would guess it's a image of all the RAM. So 32MB or 64MB. |
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12:54:25 | Mikachu | talk about being lazy... it seems to be possible to boot quickly since rockbox does it :) |
12:54:55 | SereR0kR | OK I got a Windows formatted iPod now I think -.- |
12:55:00 | ironi_ | so do i dare to put rockbox on my new ipod? |
12:55:11 | Mikachu | sure |
12:55:28 | ironi_ | is it there parallell with the original firmware |
12:55:31 | ironi_ | or does it overwrite it |
12:55:36 | Mikachu | yeah, you can dualboot |
12:55:40 | Mikachu | you can even tripleboot ipl if you want |
12:55:47 | ironi_ | heh |
12:55:54 | ironi_ | ok so i install some kind of boot loader |
12:56:15 | Mikachu | yeah, there are good instructions on rb's page |
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13:13:38 | Jungti1234 | hi |
13:13:59 | ironi_ | cool |
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13:20:26 | Jungti1234 | hi Bg3r |
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13:32:27 | Bg3r | yep |
13:33:13 | JdGordon | ! |
13:33:28 | petur | ? |
13:33:32 | B4gder | # |
13:33:34 | JdGordon | ~ |
13:33:56 | JdGordon | petur: was it you who was interested in the colinux setup? |
13:34:05 | petur | yes |
13:34:48 | petur | installed it but haven't looked at why it doesn't access the dns servers |
13:35:18 | JdGordon | im doing it atm, (fixed my ssh problem, so it works), ive got the m68k and sh-1 compilers going, and im about to do arm, so if u want the image... |
13:36:00 | petur | don't know if I have time this week, and I'm on holiday next week :) so.. maybe :D |
13:38:05 | JdGordon | (y) |
13:38:36 | JdGordon | the only thing that will annoy me about it is its not so easy moving files between the host and colinux... not like cygwin |
13:38:39 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
13:38:56 | petur | I feared that... |
13:39:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: still there? |
13:39:18 | petur | can't you map a windows share or something like that? |
13:39:47 | Mikachu | should be possible to set up a samba share |
13:39:51 | JdGordon | u can for sure do it over samba... i tihnk it has a thing where u can mount a folder on the host as a hdd.. so im gonna look into that |
13:40:27 | kclaf | what are the advantages of setting up colinux ? |
13:40:37 | JdGordon | my build time halved |
13:40:39 | petur | faster builds? |
13:40:40 | kclaf | is it only compilation speed ? |
13:40:42 | kclaf | ok |
13:40:53 | kclaf | so i dont really need that i guess |
13:41:03 | JdGordon | and u have a full linux distor going on your host comp.. not a half-assed job like cyg |
13:41:09 | kclaf | heh |
13:41:42 | kclaf | i have debian linux on my server computer |
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13:41:53 | kclaf | cyg is ok for compiling some rockbox from time to time |
13:41:53 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
13:43:25 | amiconn | JdGordon: I am now |
13:43:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, how does this colinux thing work? |
13:43:46 | JdGordon | im back.. i just redid the sh build and its excactly the same file size |
13:43:46 | amiconn | Link, somewhere? |
13:43:51 | JdGordon | no link |
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13:45:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is *still* building GCC 3.3.6 :( |
13:45:21 | JdGordon | takes a while doesnt it? |
13:45:26 | ironi_ | how dangerous is it to install that bootloader stuff |
13:45:27 | petur | colinux.org? |
13:45:31 | ironi_ | can i brick my ipod? |
13:45:34 | * | amiconn will rebuild sh-elf-gcc on all 3 machines, then do comparison builds |
13:45:37 | JdGordon | petur: yup |
13:45:55 | B4gder | ironi_: no, the ipod is pretty safe from the brick risk |
13:45:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm going to have to leave a sticky note with instructions for my grandchildren to type "make install" when it finishes in about 40 years. |
13:46:11 | petur | hahaha |
13:46:12 | Mikachu | ironi_: you can hold something when you boot to start an emergency disk mode that isn't affected by anything you do |
13:46:13 | amiconn | (all 3 meaning cygwin, debian-testing-x86 and debian-testing-amd64) |
13:46:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | ironi_: The very very worst you can do is require a reformat with the apple restore utility. |
13:46:28 | ironi_ | B4gder: ok. how about future software updates form apple, will it work to install them |
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13:46:38 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: ah ok, then it's no worries. |
13:47:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | ironi_: To install future apple firmware updates, the easiest way will be to restore the bootpartition.bin you extract during the install process, then update, then repeat the bootloader install process extracting a new bootpartition.bin, *but* ideally you'll only use rockbox so you'll never care what version of Retail OS is on there anyway |
13:47:56 | ironi_ | hehe |
13:48:05 | ironi_ | well I have to try it |
13:48:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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13:49:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've been using rockbox exclusively on Nano since about 15 minutes after linuxstb told me they had sound working. ;-) |
13:49:44 | Mikachu | i only use apple os to transfer files because it's faster than emergency mode |
13:50:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I have the patch to boot into retail on USB insert, instead of Disk Mode. |
13:50:15 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: but how about battery time |
13:50:25 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: and with video i would like ot be able to watch videos :) |
13:50:56 | ironi_ | hmm should i install the ipodlinux stuff |
13:51:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | ironi_: Yeah, with video you'll be booting into retail for that. As for battery time, I get enough on my nano, but it's still like.... probably 2/3 of the retail's battery life for my nano |
13:51:16 | ironi_ | but then there is more of a chance for failure i guess |
13:51:20 | Mikachu | ironi_: taht's up to you, but if you do you should probably do it first |
13:51:28 | ironi_ | i see. |
13:51:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I installed iPodlinux after without problems |
13:52:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though installing it first, and using their loader2 is probably the *easiest* way |
13:52:06 | Mikachu | can be annoying if you need to resize the fat partition, i'm not sure how easy that is |
13:52:48 | ironi_ | well one could aways return it to default state and then install ipodlinux and then rockbox |
13:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I deleted iPL anyway... I mean, I use it for music. It didn't really offer me anything useful in that category |
13:52:58 | ironi_ | that si when ipodlinux is stated to be safe for 5g ipods :) |
13:53:22 | ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: thats what im thinking,t hat ipodlinux seems a bit of an overkill |
13:53:22 | Moos | Bagder, LinusN: Hi, wiki spam alert |
13:54:01 | petur | adult stuff this time ;) |
13:54:18 | Moos | :-) |
13:54:19 | petur | from Azerbaijan |
13:54:37 | aliask | Damn, beat me to it petur... :) |
13:54:46 | aliask | Azerbaijan... |
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13:55:40 | petur | MiguelAngelPaolinoyuobp is also spam btw... |
13:55:47 | ironi_ | isnt too hard to make an installer out of this |
13:55:51 | ironi_ | i could do it i guess |
13:56:04 | ironi_ | if it's of any interest... |
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13:56:33 | Moos | petur: yeah :(, didn't noticed it |
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13:57:03 | ironi_ | ok here goes nothing then |
13:57:30 | petur | damn google and their stupid pageranking |
13:58:05 | Moos | indeed |
13:58:25 | ironi_ | is the latest ipod rockbox the one to eslect? |
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13:58:34 | ironi_ | or one that is not as new but much stabler |
13:58:43 | Paul_the_N3rd | ... |
13:59:00 | Paul_the_N3rd | I can't browse to freenode.net, or connect to the server via my IRC client. =/ |
13:59:59 | Paul_the_N3rd | ironi_: There's no really "more stable" one. I believe right now it's about as stable as it's gotten. |
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14:00:06 | ironi_ | ok |
14:00:21 | ironi_ | im really impressed by how easy it was to set up |
14:00:33 | ironi_ | im about to put in the rockbox stuff |
14:00:45 | JdGordon | nooo... |
14:00:47 | JdGordon | dont do it |
14:00:56 | JdGordon | dont give in to their comunist ways... |
14:01:01 | ironi_ | hehehehe |
14:01:20 | JdGordon | you laugh??? did i make a joke? |
14:01:27 | ironi_ | communist? |
14:01:35 | ironi_ | what are you doning here then |
14:01:42 | JdGordon | hehe |
14:01:51 | * | JdGordon has been out drinking :D |
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14:01:56 | Paul_the_N3rd | I was called a communist in the forums a little while back. Well, I'm not sure if it was directed at me or the whole project. |
14:02:21 | ironi_ | hehe |
14:02:21 | ironi_ | umm |
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14:02:33 | ironi_ | howq dou you reboot the ipod =) |
14:02:34 | Mikachu | Paul_the_N3rd: for the real name issue? |
14:02:40 | Paul_the_N3rd | Hold Menu and the center button |
14:02:40 | Mikachu | ironi_: select+menu 5 seconds |
14:03:00 | ironi_ | heh |
14:03:35 | Paul_the_N3rd | Mikachu: Nah. For being helpful and trying to answer questions. Seriously. I tried to be helpful, and he called me a dick. Then I tried to be helpful despite that, and a mod edited his post for language, and he said something about communists. |
14:04:05 | Mikachu | heh, crazy people |
14:04:05 | Paul_the_N3rd | Indeed |
14:04:05 | B4gder | ... I was the one who modded it ;-) |
14:04:10 | B4gder | call me mr Mao |
14:04:13 | Paul_the_N3rd | Hahaha |
14:04:25 | Paul_the_N3rd | Man, I've got the 4th most posts in the RB forums now. |
14:04:26 | Mikachu | rofl mao? |
14:06:14 | B4gder | people tend to forget that a custom music firmware project is not the most serious thing in the world |
14:06:17 | ironi_ | man this ipod is fast on file transfers |
14:07:46 | LinusN | holy shit, i'm the #1 top poster in the rb forums |
14:07:57 | B4gder | by far |
14:08:02 | B4gder | you blabbermouth |
14:08:05 | Paul_the_N3rd | By *lots* of far. |
14:08:06 | LinusN | being the poster boy i am |
14:08:20 | B4gder | I must stop doing all those posts using your login :*P |
14:08:27 | LinusN | :-) |
14:08:50 | Moos | hehe :) |
14:10:10 | ironi_ | flac on my ipod |
14:10:15 | ironi_ | i am truly impressed :) |
14:10:19 | ironi_ | great job |
14:10:33 | Moos | and a lot of other codecs too ;-) |
14:10:40 | ironi_ | trcy sounds great even with these crappy sony ericsson phones |
14:10:51 | * | petur waits for ironi_ to discover the plugins |
14:10:58 | Moos | haha :D |
14:11:03 | * | Paul_the_N3rd points at Bejeweled. |
14:11:21 | Moos | the addictive Bejeweled |
14:13:37 | ironi_ | wow |
14:13:40 | * | Moos is transfering some sounds from his iriver in his X5 via USB otg |
14:14:07 | Moos | quite cool ! |
14:14:24 | * | B4gder suspects Moos isn't using Rockbox right now :-) |
14:14:28 | aliask | Unfortunately not while booted into rockbox. |
14:14:36 | ironi_ | i am impressed in the same way the first time i tried rockbox on my jb6000 :) |
14:14:42 | Moos | B4gder: haha :D |
14:15:00 | ironi_ | so switching to apple firmware is achieved..? |
14:15:09 | Mikachu | hold menu when booting |
14:15:15 | Moos | B4gder: I'm mostly still using my ihp 140 for listening music... |
14:15:16 | ironi_ | cool |
14:15:17 | Mikachu | before the apple shows up |
14:15:29 | Mikachu | if you boot by pressing menu, you need to let go and press it again quickly |
14:15:37 | Paul_the_N3rd | ironi_: Yeah, the easiest way is to tap menu to turn it on, then immediately press it again and hold until it says "loading original firmware" |
14:15:40 | * | Moos is really unpatient to see Rockbox boot on his X5 |
14:16:00 | Moos | LinusN: a propos, any news? :-) |
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14:16:50 | ironi_ | Paul_the_N3rd: cool, got it. |
14:17:30 | Moos | the Cowan fw is a bit better than iriver one, but so far less than Rockbox :-( |
14:17:38 | Mikachu | you need to not move your thumb around too much on the menu button too, i think the wheel events interfere sometimes |
14:17:40 | ironi_ | well got to find some xvid to whatevere format ipod supports-ocnverter until rockbox has xvid support |
14:17:41 | tucoz | I accidentally changed a LaTeX file to UTF-8, and I am not sure what it was before. Do you know how I change and check this? |
14:17:44 | tucoz | I use emacs btw. |
14:17:46 | Paul_the_N3rd | ironi_: If you do decide to try iPL in the future, and you continue using the RB bootloader, Play/Pause is what you hold for it. |
14:18:00 | ironi_ | Paul_the_N3rd: ok |
14:18:02 | Mikachu | tucoz: do you have any 8bit chars in it? |
14:18:18 | Mikachu | tucoz: like ü or å |
14:18:34 | tucoz | Mikachu, eventually. But not yet |
14:18:35 | * | Moos is really habbit by Rockbox, and all other firmwares appear reall silly now |
14:18:52 | Mikachu | tucoz: then you haven't done anything |
14:19:03 | tucoz | I pasted some ä and ö to it, but I removed those |
14:19:30 | tucoz | Mikachu, well, emacs told me to save it as either utf8,utf16 etc and I selected utf8 |
14:19:58 | Mikachu | do you have a line like \usepackage[something]{fontenc} ? |
14:20:24 | Mikachu | i think that's what tells latex what encoding to expect, but i'm not 100% sure |
14:20:31 | tucoz | Mikachu, yes. I have \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} |
14:20:42 | Mikachu | then you most likely want the file to be in latin1 :) |
14:20:48 | Mikachu | also called iso-8859-1 |
14:20:55 | Mikachu | or ISO8859-1 or without any dashes |
14:21:01 | tucoz | ok. Do you know how I change this in emacs? |
14:21:06 | Mikachu | no idea |
14:21:21 | * | tucoz googles |
14:21:33 | Mikachu | in vim it's set encoding=... :) |
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14:21:53 | Mikachu | if you close and reopen the file, how does it know what encoding to use? |
14:22:30 | tucoz | I have no idea. I know very little on encodings. |
14:23:16 | Mikachu | if emacs would save your characters in the wrong encoding, you can use this command line to convert the file manually outside emacs before you run latex... |
14:23:28 | Mikachu | iconv -f UTF-8 -t ISO8859-1 < file > file.new |
14:23:34 | Mikachu | (dont use the same filename or you'll delete it) |
14:23:38 | tucoz | Mikachu, ok. Thanks |
14:23:44 | safetydan | re: the communist forums comment from way back... LinusN's response is comedy gold. "Yes it is. Most communists rename their MP3 tracks with the track number in front. In fact, Lenin often spoke about it in his glory days." |
14:23:57 | ironi_ | haha |
14:24:12 | ironi_ | thats funny |
14:24:18 | Mikachu | even if it was communist, what's wrong with communism? ;) |
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14:24:25 | Mikachu | as long as you don't try to run a country by it |
14:24:38 | * | Moos is a bit communist ;-) |
14:24:47 | B4gder | and emacs is the best editor |
14:24:57 | petur | booo |
14:24:58 | * | B4gder contributes to the pie throwing ideas |
14:25:02 | Paul_the_N3rd | My favorite LinusN comment was the one he made about why not few Rockbox devs had interest in WMA, but unfortunately I can't remember it fully, I just remember enjoying it. |
14:25:03 | Moos | Lenin didn't represent the communisme |
14:25:50 | Moos | Open Souces projects are a bit communists too ;) |
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14:26:55 | B4gder | especially those who use track numbers in their file names |
14:27:13 | Mikachu | version numbers are communist too |
14:27:16 | JdGordon | how else would u have em? |
14:27:16 | Moos | hehe :) |
14:27:20 | Mikachu | especially 2.5 |
14:27:33 | tucoz | With a communist-dictator on top not accepting aliases in the credits list. |
14:27:35 | JdGordon | 2.5 is facisr |
14:27:39 | JdGordon | facist |
14:27:45 | * | Moos is wondering if everyone really know what the communisme is ? |
14:27:48 | Mikachu | fascist |
14:27:58 | JdGordon | fasecious |
14:28:15 | B4gder | communism is a Korean mp3 player manufacturer, isn't it? |
14:28:32 | tucoz | I think so. I heard their hardware rocks |
14:28:34 | JdGordon | hasha |
14:28:36 | Moos | damn, no ! |
14:28:41 | safetydan | Paul_the_N3rd, I believe it was this re WMA "Someone with a clue needs to step forward and do this. The problem is that people with a clue don't use WMA." |
14:29:15 | Moos | all those big enterprises are the opposite of communisme (dollars are the taget) |
14:29:18 | JdGordon | does arm notmally take longer than iriver to compile? |
14:29:29 | JdGordon | .. just finished |
14:29:31 | Moos | target even |
14:29:35 | Paul_the_N3rd | safetydan: That was it, yeah |
14:30:02 | safetydan | the power of forum searches :) |
14:30:05 | Moos | Rockbox is communist |
14:30:12 | safetydan | At least when you know usernames |
14:30:35 | B4gder | Moos: nope |
14:30:44 | Paul_the_N3rd | safetydan: I am, in fact, quite lazy. |
14:30:53 | safetydan | I am, in fact, quite bored. |
14:30:57 | safetydan | :) |
14:31:22 | Jungti1234 | communism? |
14:32:09 | petur | hahaha |
14:32:11 | Paul_the_N3rd | And I am still building gcc 3.3.6. Curse you, newlib. |
14:32:54 | Moos | B4gder: I mean, the main goal of Open Source project in general to devide the knowledge for the guys with a lot of special knowledge can help one without |
14:33:07 | Moos | in this way is socialo'communist ;) |
14:33:09 | Jungti1234 | Korea is democracy. |
14:33:42 | tucoz | Jungti1234, at least the south :) |
14:33:54 | Moos | yeah :) |
14:33:58 | Jungti1234 | Did I misunderstand? |
14:34:00 | tucoz | I've heard it's a different situation in the north ;-) |
14:34:47 | * | JdGordon wants to destory my cpu fan |
14:34:50 | JdGordon | fuck its noisy |
14:34:59 | Jungti1234 | North people are like with us. |
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14:35:31 | Jungti1234 | You don't divide it. |
14:35:47 | tucoz | Jungti1234, but the leader in North Korea isn't exactly a democrat. |
14:36:04 | tucoz | (at least from what I've heard) |
14:36:11 | Moos | but damn, why always speak about dictatures for communism? Communisme is one kind of live, and those dictators communist are not are dictators |
14:36:32 | thegeek | wel.. |
14:36:35 | thegeek | *well |
14:37:09 | * | B4gder walks away to get a coffee refill to avoid politics |
14:37:17 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
14:37:30 | Jungti1234 | We are one. |
14:37:34 | * | Moos is pointing the supposed model of democratia (USA) to doesn't be really democratic ;) |
14:37:47 | Moos | B4gder: hehe :) |
14:38:03 | * | Paul_the_N3rd contemplates taking up drinking coffee so that he may imitate B4gder. |
14:38:11 | Jungti1234 | B4gder: haha... |
14:38:15 | * | tucoz walks away to get a coffee refill to avoid politics |
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14:39:08 | * | Jungti1234 knows nothing. |
14:39:16 | * | Moos is sorry to speak about those things here, but can't shut up when heard some things |
14:40:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did LinusN ever isolate where the power drain was occurring on the H300? |
14:40:05 | LinusN | no |
14:40:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you ever come up with a hypothesis why it used less when decoding than when idle in retail? |
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14:42:13 | LinusN | not even that :-) |
14:42:26 | Moos | LinusN:are they any progress in the iAudio front? sorry for the question :-) |
14:42:48 | LinusN | however, i assume that it boosts when running the UI, to be more responsive |
14:42:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
14:42:56 | LinusN | Moos: nope |
14:43:02 | Moos | ok |
14:43:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking that maybe the UI should boost on button input, and un-boost after the backlight fades. |
14:44:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or something similar, since that wouldn't really help people who have their backlights off |
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14:44:37 | B4gder | yes, we need something in that spirit |
14:45:07 | B4gder | possibly boosting to a in-between level |
14:45:32 | B4gder | but I don't know if that is gain or loss due to the added complexity needed |
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14:46:30 | petur | wouldn't stopping WPS refresh free enough cpu to allow it run at lower freq? |
14:47:06 | B4gder | it will help for the playback case |
14:47:14 | * | petur still feels that screen painting while it is off is wasting something... |
14:47:15 | B4gder | but not for the scrolling filebrowser case etc |
14:47:43 | B4gder | it certainly is a waste |
14:47:44 | LinusN | the problem in this case is that the current draw doesn't come from the cpu frequency |
14:48:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity, how much difference is there when boosted, if you remember? |
14:48:49 | LinusN | i halted the cpu in 11MHz and the current draw was still 100mA higher than the iriver playback case |
14:49:23 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: 40-50mA difference between 45MHz and 124MHz |
14:49:25 | LinusN | iirc |
14:49:34 | Moos | uch :-( |
14:51:14 | preglow | ouch, 100ma is bad |
14:53:16 | safetydan | petur, I'm working on a tokenized version of the WPS to stop the reparse step at least |
14:53:22 | _ironi_ | do yout hink the ipod video will ever be able to play divx? |
14:53:45 | Moos | safetydan: wee \o/ |
14:53:49 | Mikachu | doesn't apple's firmware play h264? (which is more complex than divx) |
14:54:12 | preglow | h264 is more or less the most complex video codec these days |
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14:54:28 | preglow | and at least a factor of 2 more complex than divx |
14:54:37 | _ironi_ | well |
14:54:40 | Mikachu | i don't know how it compares to snow and dirac |
14:54:51 | preglow | well, those are research codecs |
14:54:55 | Jungti1234 | um.. bye all |
14:54:59 | _ironi_ | there is a broadcom chip in the ipod, maybe it can only decode h264 and mpeg4? |
14:55:12 | | Quit Jungti1234 () |
14:55:12 | preglow | it decodes mpeg4, h264, aac and mp3, i think |
14:55:18 | _ironi_ | ok |
14:55:27 | _ironi_ | well then divx will be a bit difficult wont it |
14:55:29 | preglow | it's fully programmable |
14:55:36 | preglow | so it can decode whatever you want |
14:55:37 | Mikachu | divx ~= mpeg4 |
14:55:47 | _ironi_ | preglow: i see. |
14:55:55 | Mikachu | you can probably encode divx streams that are decodable |
14:55:58 | _ironi_ | is anyone experimenting with getitng it to play other formats? |
14:56:06 | preglow | _ironi_: that's a ton of work |
14:56:18 | preglow | _ironi_: we've only got a vague idea of how the chip workls |
14:56:31 | _ironi_ | no docs, aye? |
14:56:39 | preglow | indeed |
14:57:11 | Mikachu | they have this chip in nanos too? |
14:57:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just the video |
14:57:43 | _ironi_ | its quite a bit device the video |
14:57:46 | _ironi_ | big |
14:57:49 | Mikachu | it would seem stupid to have a chip to decode mp3 in hardware when the cpu can do it :) |
14:58:21 | imphasing | The retailos firmware ahs the ability to add new codecs, apple has hinted at, so it can probably decode anything you can throw at it, if you write it. |
14:58:37 | imphasing | I think it only decodes video, but I could be wrong.. |
14:58:42 | imphasing | listen to preglow. |
14:58:43 | imphasing | :P |
14:59:08 | B4gder | the cpu certainly can't do video decoding at the speed the broadcom can |
14:59:25 | Mikachu | that's why i asked about the nano |
14:59:52 | _ironi_ | would be cool to be able to just transfer a divx show or movie |
14:59:57 | _ironi_ | and watch it on the way to work |
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15:00:09 | imphasing | That it would |
15:00:13 | rob- | does the h1xx also have the power drain problem? |
15:00:15 | preglow | imphasing: i think i saw some broadcom file in the retailos that hinted at it decoding aac too |
15:00:23 | imphasing | preglow: Ah, ok. |
15:00:36 | _ironi_ | i love impulse buying |
15:00:49 | _ironi_ | at 9 am i didndt even know i was going to buy an ipod today |
15:00:50 | _ironi_ | lol |
15:01:03 | _ironi_ | at noon i already had it |
15:01:19 | Mikachu | if you want to give me some money i can give you my paypal email |
15:01:43 | _ironi_ | hehe well i do like this that i sell my old stuff and buy new |
15:01:48 | _ironi_ | so it turns out even |
15:01:51 | imphasing | So how did "they" (Not sure who got the video chip working first, you guys or iPL) figure out what MMIO port to send LCD data to? |
15:01:56 | imphasing | Just probing random ports? |
15:02:59 | Mikachu | more likely they looked at the firmware and tried various addresses in the code or something |
15:03:07 | preglow | ipl got it working first |
15:03:16 | imphasing | ah |
15:03:19 | tucoz | B4gder, do you know why the manual build-script copies the entire manual source tree to the destination? |
15:03:35 | tucoz | instead of just the pdf |
15:03:58 | B4gder | when you do what? |
15:04:49 | tucoz | When I write make |
15:05:02 | tucoz | it creates a directory under that level called manual |
15:05:22 | tucoz | with the entire source tree and pdf file under that directory |
15:06:20 | tucoz | and the configure script checks for the cross-compiler when selecting a manual build. |
15:06:54 | B4gder | the manual/Makefile does a cp -R |
15:06:59 | tucoz | oh |
15:07:21 | tucoz | That sounds like a good 'ol hack |
15:07:26 | B4gder | hehe, yes |
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15:07:51 | Mikachu | you could do cp -Rl if you want to save the space |
15:08:09 | Mikachu | but it's only like 2MB anyway i think |
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15:08:30 | B4gder | what happens on cygwin with -l? |
15:08:35 | Mikachu | no idea |
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15:09:00 | Mikachu | and i'm not installing cygwin in vmware to find out :) |
15:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's -l? |
15:09:17 | Mikachu | creates hardlinks instead of copies |
15:09:43 | tucoz | It would be cleaner if only the pdf would remain |
15:09:48 | tucoz | after a make |
15:09:53 | B4gder | tucoz: I agree |
15:10:19 | B4gder | I'd guess the copying is made because if you'd run the build in the source dir it would create temp files in there |
15:10:44 | Mikachu | -output-directory=DIR use DIR as the directory to write files to |
15:10:47 | tucoz | B4gder, ah, you're probably right about that. |
15:10:55 | amiconn | B4gder: The target & sim builds are doing that too... |
15:10:57 | Mikachu | not sure how well that works |
15:11:03 | Mikachu | (from latex −−help) |
15:11:08 | preglow | latex isn't very flexible in its directory handling |
15:11:10 | B4gder | amiconn: create temp files in the source dir? |
15:11:45 | tucoz | But then the copying is ok, but the pdf could be copied to the same level as the makefile then |
15:12:05 | B4gder | tucoz: I agree, and I would fancy it being called just "rockbox.pdf" or so |
15:12:17 | B4gder | i.e cut ouf the "-build" part |
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15:12:44 | tucoz | yes. me too. And I've heard you know your way with makefiles as well ;-) |
15:13:20 | * | B4gder suddenlt got very busy in a different corner... |
15:13:23 | tucoz | heeh |
15:18:36 | imphasing | Is there a timing function that doesn't round to the nearest second? time() annoys me.. |
15:18:41 | amiconn | B4gder: yes |
15:18:53 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you get my comment about buildzip.pl ? |
15:18:56 | imphasing | A millisecond counter would be nice |
15:19:04 | B4gder | amiconn: then we should fix that (and yes) |
15:19:52 | safetydan | imphasing, on rockbox? what about current_tick? |
15:23:50 | imphasing | Heh, nope. Just some C function. I do most of my programming with iPL. |
15:24:00 | Mikachu | usleep? nanosleep? |
15:24:02 | Mikachu | select? |
15:24:03 | safetydan | gettimeofday? |
15:24:08 | B4gder | gettimeofday() |
15:24:13 | Mikachu | oh, getting time |
15:24:15 | imphasing | ah.. |
15:24:16 | B4gder | but that's not available in windows |
15:24:21 | B4gder | iirc |
15:24:21 | imphasing | I don't do windows |
15:24:22 | imphasing | :P |
15:25:24 | Mikachu | not to sound stupid, but how do i build the manual? |
15:25:32 | Mikachu | er, yeah, M in configure |
15:25:40 | Mikachu | i never see things until i ask on irc :) |
15:25:52 | Mikachu | i already tried configure but my eyes skipped (M)anual |
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15:28:28 | tucoz | Anyone know how to change mode in emacs to Makefile mode (for a file not detected as Makefile) |
15:29:12 | tucoz | nevermind |
15:29:20 | tucoz | M-x makefile-mode |
15:30:01 | B4gder | # -*- mode: Makefile -*- |
15:30:15 | B4gder | within the file, iirc |
15:30:39 | Mikachu | i wish modelines in vim didn't allow any file to run arbitrary commands as my user |
15:30:40 | B4gder | if you want it done automatically on load |
15:31:07 | Mikachu | (last time i checked) |
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15:31:47 | tucoz | B4gder, ok. cool |
15:33:39 | tucoz | B4gder, I guess it is this. But, it doesn't seem to work. @cp $(OBJDIR)/rockbox-build.pdf $(OBJDIR)/../rockbox-$(ARCHOS)-$(VERSION).pdf |
15:34:02 | tucoz | that needs to be changed. I cannot find the target pdf |
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15:56:14 | tucoz | I have a question regarding the FDL. It says a copyright statement need to be placed right after the title page. Do I add this to the introduction? And Copyright owner is rockbox.org right? |
15:56:57 | tucoz | or is it Christi (who wrote the 2.4 docs) or Björn? |
15:57:56 | B4gder | rockbox.org is not a copyright holder |
15:58:28 | tucoz | ok, I just use the copyright statement from the 2.4 docs for now |
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16:04:28 | IcyStorM | Where can I get the roms for pacbox I cant find em |
16:04:57 | LinusN | google for "pacman rom" |
16:05:06 | safetydan | IcyStorM, I doubt anyone here can tell you as they're illegal to distribute. |
16:05:52 | IcyStorM | Who cares, this is IRC |
16:06:00 | B4gder | it is? |
16:06:01 | LinusN | we care, this channel is logged |
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16:06:16 | IcyStorM | Ok then |
16:06:18 | IcyStorM | PM anybody |
16:06:33 | Mikachu | this is freenode, not efnet... |
16:06:49 | LinusN | IcyStorM: read my reply to your question |
16:07:10 | LinusN | again: google for "pacman rom" |
16:07:42 | B4gder | and then google for "using search engines to find information you seek" |
16:07:43 | LinusN | or even better, "pacman roms" |
16:07:46 | B4gder | :-) |
16:08:45 | LinusN | gotta go, cu |
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16:08:53 | IcyStorM | pacman rom or roms dont get any good results |
16:09:01 | cs_weasel | or even better intitle:"index of mame"... *smacks self* |
16:09:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | IcyStorM: I happen to know that with one of those, my second result had what I needed |
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16:11:38 | safetydan | google for "filetype:zip pacman" may also help |
16:12:24 | safetydan | (not tested) |
16:13:06 | * | amiconn discovers that gcc 3.4.6 was released... |
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16:20:55 | Mikachu | many moons ago... |
16:21:09 | Mikachu | and 4.1 is apparently the current release series |
16:23:35 | * | petur wonders if 4.1 works for Coldfire |
16:25:25 | amiconn | 4.1 for arm doesn't even build... |
16:27:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ick |
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16:31:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, did IcyStorM PM anyone else begging for help, or was I the only unfortunate soul? |
16:32:14 | preglow | at least not on amd64 |
16:33:35 | Mikachu | i didn't get any |
16:33:41 | safetydan | me either |
16:33:57 | safetydan | guess you're the resident romz/warez dude then |
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16:34:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I related the 'give a man a fish...' quote, and pretty much left it at that. |
16:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I also got about a bajillion PMs from people on the forums immediately after I said I wouldn't tell anyone where to get them in the thread. *sighs* |
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16:37:34 | Mikachu | fortunately you don't have to reply |
16:38:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
16:41:00 | safetydan | But aren't you a communist? Isn't that about sharing? :) |
16:41:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
16:41:12 | B4gder | rofl |
16:41:33 | Mikachu | it's about giving everything to an elite group of leaders |
16:43:08 | safetydan | From each according to their ability. To each according to their needs. |
16:44:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | And he *needed* to be able to use Google. |
16:45:06 | tucoz | B4gder, the manuals copyright statement will be a tricky one. As it is now, we mainly create LaTeX versions of the wiki pages, which a lot of people have written. |
16:45:43 | B4gder | right |
16:46:12 | preglow | safetydan: any luck on a new sin()? :> |
16:46:30 | tucoz | And to keep track of all the people eventually writing patches for inclusion will be a hard task |
16:46:59 | safetydan | preglow, oh man... that stuff just hurt my brain... I think I had a working cordic implementation but no idea of speed |
16:47:16 | safetydan | precision was up to the number of iterations, it was something like 1 bit of extra precision per iteration |
16:47:45 | preglow | it always is with cordic |
16:47:53 | tucoz | Maybe it is possible to link the copyright statement to the CREDITS list. |
16:47:54 | Mikachu | i'll happily give you any copyright on code in my patches if it helps |
16:48:54 | safetydan | I'm not that great with trig (actually I'm crap but anyway)... but the sin() function I had was only good from -pi/2 to pi/2 |
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16:49:18 | safetydan | I assume you can rotate as need for the other quadrants |
16:49:21 | preglow | sure |
16:49:32 | preglow | so, you could make it completely 32 bit accurate? |
16:49:38 | preglow | 'cuz that's pretty much what i'll need |
16:49:40 | safetydan | in theory yes |
16:50:11 | preglow | i can probably make a tons faster one with a bigger lookup table, but i don't want a huge lookup table |
16:50:54 | safetydan | from what I read, the FPU of the 386/486 used a cordic implementation for sin and cos |
16:51:30 | safetydan | the lookup table for the cordic was the same size as the number of iterations. it's a very cool little algorithm |
16:51:35 | preglow | yup |
16:51:40 | preglow | hardware usually uses cordic |
16:51:42 | lostlogic | safetydan: preglow: cordic is iterative, so couldn't you combine a moderate precision lookup table with cordic to get reasonable speed and the accuracy you need? |
16:53:31 | preglow | hmm |
16:53:32 | preglow | i guess so |
16:53:47 | preglow | the lookup table step would have to be precise to a known number of bits, though |
16:55:30 | lostlogic | yah |
16:56:55 | preglow | but anyway |
16:56:59 | preglow | i don't really know how much that matters |
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16:57:29 | preglow | if you need a fast sine, you most often do some specific solution that works in your particular case |
16:57:43 | preglow | the one i currently use in the eq works really nice for audio |
16:57:52 | preglow | but obviously not for coef calculation |
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16:58:35 | preglow | safetydan: so, you got any code i can try out? |
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17:00:27 | safetydan | preglow, not with me, it's at home |
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17:05:16 | lostlogic | safetydan: you don't keep connections to your home computers with you at all times??? |
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17:06:35 | safetydan | My home computer is a laptop which is too heavy to carry, and too noisy to leave on... so no :) |
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17:11:04 | preglow | hrmph, encoder codec patch doesn't apply cleanly anymore |
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17:15:42 | safetydan | speaking of home |
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17:18:13 | preglow | any suggestions on where we should save the encoder codec files? |
17:18:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | /.rockbox/encoders ? |
17:18:38 | preglow | then i think we should rename codecs/ to decoders |
17:18:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no objection to that. |
17:18:46 | preglow | codec implies both should be placed there |
17:19:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either that or /.rockbox/codecs/decode and /encode |
17:19:10 | preglow | or we have codecs/ and use .enc and .dec extensions |
17:19:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
17:19:27 | preglow | or enc-mpa.codec, etc |
17:19:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now another question: Should you plan ahead for future video support? |
17:19:39 | preglow | hell no |
17:19:40 | preglow | :-) |
17:19:46 | Bg3r | preglow better .dec/.enc |
17:19:49 | Bg3r | (imho) |
17:19:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like .dec and .enc as well |
17:20:07 | Bg3r | except if we have a .codec that will do both enc & dec |
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17:20:36 | bobTHC | hi folks ! |
17:20:47 | Bg3r | hi, folk |
17:20:48 | preglow | Bg3r: i can't see why we'd want to do that |
17:21:23 | Bg3r | yep... that's why i vote for .enc/.dec |
17:22:07 | preglow | yeah, i'm a bit partial to that solution myself |
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17:25:10 | Zagor | no more TLAs please, ".encoder" and ".decoder" is much more friendly. |
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17:25:55 | preglow | amiconn'll cry when he sees the very founder of the project suggest wasting precious bytes |
17:26:15 | Bg3r | :P |
17:26:25 | bobTHC | :) |
17:27:54 | webguest96 | safetydan, if you're still bored there's always the Playlist catalog patch thingy for you |
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17:42:45 | lostlogic | bagh, I forgot my ipoop USB cable at home today... I might have to do my job all day :( |
17:44:33 | * | t0mas is listening to ACDC - T.N.T. |
17:44:49 | t0mas | nice song to listen to while driving :) |
17:45:01 | bobTHC | btw, after redoing some googling about rockbox, i realize how bad are the rockbox Public relations. . |
17:45:37 | bobTHC | Just want to make a suggestion : creating a public relation team to engage more devs and betatesters and make connections with hardware suppliers (low level hardware and why not some Mp3 device companies) |
17:45:40 | t0mas | maybe we should get the website updated... |
17:46:33 | bobTHC | It's an old discussion but imho it's time now, 1st because the project attain a good maturity, 2nd because new targets coming will spread rockbox like never previoulsy, 3th because every new port need a big workload (brandnew volunteer devs and perhaps some companies will effeciently help us) |
17:46:39 | t0mas | and get some publicity with the next release |
17:46:52 | t0mas | better release cycles are a topic for devcon... |
17:47:22 | bobTHC | rockbox needs a spin doctor team !!! |
17:47:45 | bobTHC | or propaganda team as u want ;) |
17:47:54 | preglow | hahah |
17:48:03 | preglow | what we need is a release manager |
17:48:19 | bobTHC | also |
17:48:22 | t0mas | isn't Bagder the release manager? :) |
17:48:25 | t0mas | or Zagor? |
17:48:32 | t0mas | one of them has the scripts etc |
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17:48:47 | t0mas | but we might want to setup a more "commercial" looking website |
17:48:47 | preglow | yeah, zagor packs the release up |
17:48:53 | preglow | but we haven't got a release manager |
17:49:02 | t0mas | it looks like a hacking project now (which it has been for a long time) |
17:49:11 | preglow | lets just steal ipodlinux' design ;) |
17:49:14 | t0mas | and we should get it to look more like a project |
17:49:40 | t0mas | get better documentation (tucoz is already working on that :D) |
17:49:55 | t0mas | get sime pictures etc... |
17:50:02 | t0mas | and make a website that "sells" the software |
17:50:58 | t0mas | bobTHC might be the one to do it ;) |
17:51:02 | t0mas | as I don't have that much time |
17:51:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, at the moment the software only exists in a release version for Archos' anyway. |
17:51:28 | t0mas | yeah. that should also change :) |
17:51:39 | t0mas | we might want to do all this on a new release |
17:51:42 | t0mas | including iriver |
17:51:54 | t0mas | and then work to a more 3.0 graphical release |
17:52:36 | t0mas | and introduce that with some "flash factor" just screenshots on the website... the "happy user comments" and an easy explaination on how to install from windows |
17:52:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not so sure about that, but it does seem that at least a roadmap of goals for the next few releases might be a nice thing to come out of devcon. |
17:52:56 | t0mas | jup |
17:53:38 | t0mas | a website change might be nice too... make it a product selling website, with 1 menu option "Development" and put all CVS things etc there... |
17:54:07 | t0mas | we have last CVS commits on the frontpage now... I like it, but some random users is not interested in CVS commit messages... |
17:54:09 | preglow | t0mas: you sound like a release manager now |
17:54:19 | t0mas | ghehe |
17:54:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, right now rockbox.org is clearly a project page. |
17:54:53 | t0mas | well... after end-May or begin June I might be able to work on it |
17:54:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not a product page. |
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17:55:03 | t0mas | Paul_The_Nerd: that's my point |
17:55:21 | t0mas | preglow: but we first need to check with "the founders" |
17:55:22 | bobTHC | a barely 5 y old project page |
17:55:37 | bobTHC | of course |
17:55:41 | t0mas | maybe they don't want to "sell rockbox to the public" |
17:56:06 | t0mas | maybe they just like the hacking... and want to attract other developers, instead of the simple users :) |
17:56:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But is there a product for mass markets? I mean, at the moment I'd say rockbox counts as a hobbiest/enthusiast piece of software. |
17:57:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Making the page more flashy, and less dutiful, seems to work in the opposite direction of attracting devs. |
17:57:16 | bobTHC | hehe, with the new orientation of the project ( multi patform)the goal is not only to attract users but devs and supporters companies too |
17:57:43 | t0mas | and companies normally want to sell things ;) |
17:58:08 | t0mas | so they would like to be able to send people to rockbox, which makes those people really want that software |
17:58:21 | t0mas | then the company can sell those people their hardware |
17:58:27 | t0mas | maybe even with rockbox pre-installed |
17:58:39 | t0mas | (don't know how that is done license technically?) |
17:58:56 | t0mas | but hey... those are very far future plans :) |
17:59:02 | bobTHC | not only, imagine a companie who simply want doing a plugin to make his files "suitable" with rockbox like a viewer or codec |
17:59:08 | lostlogic | I'm a big fan of it staying a hacking project... FWIW |
17:59:35 | Mikachu | kernel.org isn't very exciting |
17:59:42 | Mikachu | but linux does well enough :) |
17:59:51 | bobTHC | hacking is the core of this project, without hacking no more project lostlogic |
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18:00:31 | lostlogic | My last serious involvement with an OS project was Gentoo Linux, and once it went more public and gained more users and a release manager, it became a pain in the butt to work on and the fun factor went down, and a lot of the original devs (ie me) became less involved and less interested. |
18:00:51 | Mikachu | i recognized your nick from gentoo :) |
18:00:58 | lostlogic | Mikachu: ;) |
18:01:03 | Mikachu | from lolo-sources i think |
18:01:08 | lostlogic | Mikachu: that's me. |
18:03:22 | lostlogic | I'm not saying that that would happen here, but phrases like release management and public relations certainly carry a negative connotation of "slower development" and "release dates" |
18:04:09 | t0mas | hmz ok |
18:04:27 | t0mas | still I think it would be a nice idea to help users some more... |
18:04:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Help users how? |
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18:04:49 | t0mas | accessible website |
18:04:52 | t0mas | documentation |
18:05:00 | t0mas | (the last one is being worked on) |
18:05:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | The website is pretty accessible. There's a download link where you get an installer. You run it, you have the software. You read the manual, you use the software. :) |
18:05:35 | preglow | lostlogic: were you ever featured developer of the week (or whatever)? |
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18:05:46 | bobTHC | it's true lostlogic, but what the deal, remaining small and sticking around today or increasing the workload, targets and quality to became a unavoidable project in firmware related enmbeded devices |
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18:07:24 | bobTHC | because with port like ipodport, the aimed public is now not devs.... |
18:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there really a target audience beyond "people who want to use it?" |
18:08:21 | t0mas | well... we might want to combine it |
18:08:45 | t0mas | Paul_The_Nerd: as long as people haven't heard of rockbox, they can hate the original firmware... and have now idea what to do about it |
18:09:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | t0mas: So the real solution is to spread the word, and have an easy to use installer (which is feasible for iPod) and a tutorial.' |
18:09:31 | t0mas | we shouldn't become a company with release cycles (at least not untill we get payed for it :P), but we might want to try to get some more public interest |
18:09:55 | bobTHC | and with restrictive firmware like on the wide spread ipod u can expect a large audience |
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18:10:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | t0mas: But at the moment, the iPod port needs to actually *work* completely first. |
18:10:13 | t0mas | yes, spread the word... try to make the website a little more user attractive (move dev. stuff to dev.rockbox.org ? that doesn't bother most devs I guess? Ad long as there is a link on the front page) |
18:10:20 | lostlogic | preglow: not sure, I think they asked me questions for it once |
18:11:03 | t0mas | and having a selling website doesn't really cost us much of the hacking culture we have |
18:11:10 | t0mas | but it's way more newbie attractive |
18:11:11 | bobTHC | of course , everething is not for public, but public teased can be a big force for the project (work, money, support...) |
18:11:16 | lostlogic | Perhaps the solution would be to have rockbox stay just as it is, and found a new project that will cut and stabilize releases completely independently? |
18:11:38 | bobTHC | naa, forks sucks |
18:11:43 | t0mas | lostlogic: that sounds like a really bad idea... |
18:11:53 | webguest01 | I have shown Rockbox to my friends that have dap's, they own ipods mainly, and they really aren'y interested in playing different file formats, and drag and drop and look upon it as a hack by some programmers |
18:11:54 | t0mas | if you attract people, do it with the name "rockbox" |
18:12:06 | t0mas | if people find out it's open source... we might also attract more devs |
18:12:28 | t0mas | webguest01: that's what we might want to change... |
18:12:40 | bobTHC | webguest01 > i can says the total opposite |
18:12:45 | t0mas | get the website user friendly... and eventually try to get a more graphical 3.0 release for example |
18:13:06 | * | Paul_The_Nerd would really rather not have a graphical release. |
18:13:09 | lostlogic | preglow: http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030210-newsletter.xml *giggle* that was a long time ago. |
18:13:09 | webguest01 | yhey are very sceptocal that soemone else other than the OEM can write good software for their players |
18:13:15 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is incredibly fond of the very simple interface it currently has. |
18:13:40 | bobTHC | lol |
18:13:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | A graphical UI doesn't really *add* anything. |
18:14:04 | webguest01 | when I mention gapless, the look at me blankly, it doesn't mean a thing |
18:14:21 | Mikachu | when i told a friend about it the first thing he asked about was gapless |
18:14:33 | t0mas | ghehe |
18:14:36 | webguest01 | Replay Gain, the same thing, not interested |
18:14:46 | t0mas | I mainly use it at parties atm... |
18:14:56 | bobTHC | a lot of ppl without programmer skills download and use differents formats, are happy to be able to play games or to have more sound tweak |
18:15:19 | webguest01 | if it entails fiddling with a computer, they loose interest, most folks want to keep fiddling with a computer to a minimum |
18:15:31 | t0mas | webguest01: that's where we need a windows installe |
18:15:32 | t0mas | r |
18:15:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | And a lot of people *like* their iTunes. |
18:16:06 | t0mas | for ipod that's true |
18:16:15 | t0mas | but the iriver firmware just sucks imho |
18:16:18 | bobTHC | and a lot *hate* it too |
18:16:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | While this sentiment completely baffles me, most iPod users seem to prefer never having to deal with their files directly. |
18:16:22 | t0mas | and it has nothing like it... |
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18:16:34 | Mikachu | i don't understand why i need to wait 15 minutes to "import" files |
18:16:41 | webguest01 | it really has to be easy and simple to install and use. |
18:16:42 | t0mas | so tagdb etc would be really nice to have on iriver |
18:17:02 | bobTHC | or why i cant use my ipod as a Harddisk |
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18:17:27 | webguest01 | tag db funcyionality has to improve beyond the geek stage for the average user to use |
18:17:59 | t0mas | jup |
18:18:05 | HCl | haha. |
18:18:06 | t0mas | it really needs a lot of improvements |
18:18:17 | t0mas | HCl: have a hilight set on tagdb?? ;) |
18:18:20 | webguest01 | people want plug and play, they don't want to fiddle with an os |
18:18:29 | Lynx | i don't understand why my h300 sometimes does 12 mb/sec over usb, and sometimes only 3.5 mb/sec. same computer, same cable, same port. |
18:18:48 | HCl | nope |
18:18:55 | HCl | i just happened to be browsing my irc channels |
18:18:59 | HCl | Lynx: fragmentation? |
18:19:30 | HCl | how's Slasheri 's tagcache thing going? |
18:19:31 | Lynx | HCl: no, its a very steady 3.5 mb/sec, and was faster just this morning. |
18:19:39 | HCl | mk |
18:19:54 | bobTHC | of course, webguest01, we aren't saying oki, now lets go ppl you can do easyly what u want, but we're talking about making the project more famous and involving more ppl and at the end really have a powerfull and easy firmware compatible with the maximum of devices |
18:23:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's going to be quite a while yet before rockbox is *ready* for publicity on any decent scale |
18:23:32 | XavierGr | Lynx: 12 mb/sec is okay. I get 13 from mine |
18:23:56 | webguest01 | depends on what your market you want to capture, if you want the Rbox to become a replacement for original on an average users player, then it needs to become more user friendly, then there is also the lag time between Rbox and new players. Rockbox for obvious reasons doesn't support the latest players, and this is a problem |
18:23:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of iPod users won't want to change over until there's almost no disadvantage to doing it |
18:23:57 | bobTHC | that's the goal and is far away but with different ppl like devs(web, os specific, target specific...), ergonomist, spin doctor, documentations writers..... |
18:24:57 | bobTHC | and a lot complain about it, too |
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18:26:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | The vast majority of people who buy an ipod though, got it because they wanted an ipod. They either use itunes, or just like the fact that they don't have to understand computers to use digital music. Rockbox really isn't targeted at the layperson. |
18:26:19 | webguest01 | basically people want their players to play music, they aren't interested in fiddling with them, and most of the original firmware meets this requirement |
18:27:13 | XavierGr | hmm... I can't get dircache to work properly. It is set to on rebooted but still... |
18:28:16 | imphasing_ | I like ipod's becuase it's a good way to play with an ARM7TDMI processor, and it's elegant |
18:28:18 | imphasing_ | :P |
18:28:29 | Mikachu | i won mine |
18:28:47 | imphasing_ | The ipod with rockbox, is like the perfect music player |
18:28:54 | imphasing_ | FLAC support, drag and drop music.. |
18:28:55 | webguest01 | imagine the level of support that would be required with Rockbox in its current form and a wider non adventurous user base |
18:28:56 | imphasing_ | It's great. |
18:28:58 | XavierGr | elegant? I can't agree on that... |
18:29:04 | imphasing_ | XavierGr: No? |
18:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | imphasing_: The iRiver iFP-7xx and 8xx use an ARM7TDMI too if I recall. :-P |
18:29:06 | bobTHC | the vast majority of ppl who buy a MP3 players will understand the pro and the cons between rockbox and original firmware if it's clearly explained and simple to use |
18:29:12 | XavierGr | imphasing: Again I can't agree |
18:29:19 | XavierGr | iPod can only play music |
18:29:24 | XavierGr | no recording or FM radio |
18:29:24 | imphasing_ | XavierGr: ... |
18:29:32 | imphasing_ | I said ipod with rockbox |
18:29:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | bobTHC: No they wouldn't. |
18:29:44 | bobTHC | lol |
18:29:53 | imphasing_ | But the color screen with the scroll wheel is my favorite part |
18:29:56 | XavierGr | Yes but still recording is not an option on iPod. |
18:30:00 | imphasing_ | the scroll wheel I like |
18:30:02 | bobTHC | u have a bad idea of the "average ppl" |
18:30:08 | XavierGr | And IMHO the looks pf an iPod are awfull. |
18:30:09 | imphasing_ | I don't record, so it's not a big deal |
18:30:18 | imphasing_ | XavierGr: That's your opinion |
18:30:19 | imphasing_ | :P |
18:30:20 | XavierGr | of course |
18:30:34 | imphasing_ | Out of curiosity, what player do you like? |
18:30:51 | XavierGr | but for the same money (or sometimes less) I would choose something better. (Always IMHO) |
18:30:56 | webguest01 | bottom line is Rockbox isn't ready for mainstream, to many options :)) |
18:31:19 | XavierGr | H100, H300, iAudio |
18:31:24 | imphasing_ | XavierGr: I like how thin the ipod is (I'm talking about the 5G) and how big the screen is as well though |
18:31:30 | imphasing_ | I haven't actually seen those, so I can't comment |
18:31:32 | XavierGr | iAudio X5 to be more precise |
18:31:35 | imphasing_ | I'll check them out though |
18:31:47 | XavierGr | imphsing: You got a point on the screen |
18:31:47 | bobTHC | i dont talk u about directly advertise in the wall street journal webguest01, i talk about creating a propaganda team ! |
18:31:57 | XavierGr | which is the biggest screen so far. |
18:32:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Honestly though, if you want more users before you even start you need to plan out a support mechanism |
18:32:24 | imphasing_ | XavierGr: That's a pretty nice player...what sort of formats does it play? |
18:32:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | A way to make sure you don't get 50 million repeated bug reports. |
18:32:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | You probably need a support staff. |
18:32:55 | imphasing_ | Oh, FLAC and OGG... |
18:32:57 | imphasing_ | I like |
18:32:58 | imphasing_ | :) |
18:33:18 | imphasing_ | Any player that natively supprots FLAC has my attention |
18:33:27 | imphasing_ | s/supprots/supports/ |
18:34:10 | XavierGr | that is the major point of an iAudio X5. And that's why it is going to be way more better when Linus and Bagder finish the porting. |
18:34:31 | webguest01 | Flac is not a mass user codec |
18:34:38 | imphasing_ | I looked at those before I bought an ipod, but they're also more expensive.. |
18:34:44 | imphasing_ | webguest01: Yes, but it's my favorite |
18:34:45 | imphasing_ | :) |
18:35:16 | XavierGr | well at the time I bought my H140 (and later the H340) iPods were more expensive |
18:35:36 | bobTHC | flac is not a mass user codec until it will well supported by a majority of players |
18:35:56 | imphasing_ | flac is great; lossless, and about 1/3rd thge size of a wav file |
18:36:09 | imphasing_ | And an open standard |
18:36:10 | imphasing_ | :) |
18:36:31 | Mikachu | i think most people would prefer having 5 albums on instead of 1, to having nondetectably better quality |
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18:36:57 | XavierGr | yes, but there are audiophiles too you know... |
18:37:10 | imphasing_ | Heh, maybe I'm just over-sensitive, but I can tell an mp3 from a flac file.. |
18:37:14 | webguest01 | yes but they are a minority |
18:37:33 | Mikachu | imphasing_: on an mp3 player while riding a bike? :) |
18:37:40 | imphasing_ | Mikachu: Hehe, no |
18:37:41 | XavierGr | there should be an option for all people. |
18:37:56 | imphasing_ | On an mp3 player, while writing an ASM rotating blitter |
18:37:57 | Mikachu | i'm just saying most people probably won't use flac |
18:38:08 | webguest01 | some people can hear a difference but cant be bothered, their easoning is that its a mp3 player not a piece of Hifi equipment |
18:38:31 | Mikachu | i don't hear the difference between a cd and 100kbps ogg usually |
18:39:07 | webguest01 | mp3 players are fun things for most, their lives dont revolve around their players |
18:39:28 | Mikachu | that doesn't seem to be true of ipods.. :) |
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18:40:04 | bobTHC | hehe |
18:40:04 | webguest01 | really if so they should have gotten apple to implemet gapless, |
18:40:08 | imphasing_ | ipods are a way of life |
18:40:09 | imphasing_ | hehehe |
18:40:21 | imphasing_ | or at least, apple would have you think that |
18:40:30 | Mikachu | i prefer my old player interface-wise, it has buttons you can push through your jacket pocket |
18:40:47 | Mikachu | the ipod, you have to get it out and look where to press because it's flat |
18:41:11 | imphasing_ | Actually, I can work it while it's in my pocket. |
18:41:18 | imphasing_ | The new click wheel makes it easier |
18:41:18 | webguest01 | the fact that apple hasn't implemented gapless proves that it doesn't really sonsider a mp3 player an audiophile product |
18:41:24 | Mikachu | i think it's a bit hard to turn the hold switch through my jacket |
18:41:33 | imphasing_ | webguest01: Yes, that's a valid point |
18:41:42 | imphasing_ | it's not an audiophiles palyer, but with rockbox, it can be\ |
18:41:47 | imphasing_ | s/\\// |
18:42:01 | Mikachu | o// \o/ \\o |
18:42:11 | imphasing_ | I really like the video on the 5G though. It's amazingly clear, and nice to watch |
18:42:28 | muesli__ | Mikachu gangbang? ;) |
18:42:48 | Mikachu | it's supposed to be a 3-frame animation |
18:42:52 | webguest01 | I think that Rockbox is great, but it needs to be polished now, get the features that are inplace working 100%, no bugs |
18:43:37 | bobTHC | it's simply impossile webguest01 |
18:43:42 | bobTHC | impossible |
18:44:04 | bobTHC | not bug will say no more new features or targets |
18:44:06 | Mikachu | finding bugs is the only thing users are good for |
18:44:17 | webguest01 | improve the basics, like music seeking, skipping |
18:44:51 | XavierGr | something is pretty fucked up either on my player or on the latest bleeding edge build. |
18:45:03 | XavierGr | 1) I can't get dircache to work. |
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18:45:31 | fairway | hi |
18:45:39 | fairway | does anyone know where to get some decenet ipod photo themes? |
18:45:39 | XavierGr | I tried anything. Set to on, rebooted, reset my settings repeat. No, the disk will spin up whatever I do. |
18:45:48 | XavierGr | 2) Who changed the quick menu? |
18:46:18 | amiconn | preglow: Why not .audioencoder / .audiodecoder? ;-/ </sarcasm> |
18:46:20 | XavierGr | I remember that the captions of the quick menu were spreaded on the screen of the player. (Down, left, right) |
18:46:38 | bobTHC | geeks, nerds, audiophiles, none english spokers(specially non ascii languages) , blinds, music & audiobook lovers... it's already form a mass |
18:46:39 | preglow | amiconn: heh |
18:46:52 | XavierGr | Now all the captions are one below the other. Can someone confirm? |
18:47:12 | XavierGr | Have to go later all/ |
18:47:25 | bobTHC | cya ! |
18:47:33 | bobTHC | that was my 2cts... |
18:47:38 | bobTHC | bye all |
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18:47:42 | amiconn | XavierGr: Got my remarks regarding jpeg.rock and view-while-playing? |
18:48:02 | imphasing_ | Has anyone besides me done a battery benchmark on the 5G ipod? |
18:50:07 | Mikachu | speaking of audiobooks, the apple firmware automatically saves the positions in them, but not regular music files... it would be nice if there was some way to autosave bookmarks but not for all files |
18:50:21 | Mikachu | i have some language course files that are about 20-30 minutes each |
18:50:33 | Mikachu | any thoughts on that? |
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18:51:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could check to see if the genre is set as Audiobook, then autobookmark on stop? |
18:52:53 | Mikachu | that sounds ilke it might work |
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18:56:27 | Mikachu | *nausea* i see why he talked about rewriting the wps code |
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19:03:17 | webguest78 | Slasheri, how does one use your new charge state information |
19:03:33 | webguest78 | or rhater get it to display |
19:05:02 | Slasheri | webguest78: just plug the charger in and the charge icon should start animate differently and display the current charge state |
19:05:48 | webguest78 | is this with a standard status bar only ? |
19:06:22 | Slasheri | yep, not with the wps images yet |
19:06:28 | Slasheri | but you can see it in the file browser |
19:06:55 | webguest78 | thanks for the info |
19:07:15 | Slasheri | :) |
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19:11:51 | Mikachu | heh, maybe i should still allow manual creation |
19:12:18 | Mikachu | i'll save that for another day |
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19:17:25 | Mikachu | hm, where are bookmarks saved? |
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19:18:31 | Mikachu | heh, i'm looking right at the file... |
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19:21:57 | fantomas | On my iPod Nano ipodloader2 menu hangs when I start scrolling. Can anybody confirm or provide a way to fix this? |
19:22:17 | Mikachu | isn't that ipl territory? |
19:22:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that would be something to ask in the ipodlinux channel |
19:23:24 | fantomas | Mikachu: it is. Just looking for help since some users here probably do use ipodloader2 |
19:23:43 | fantomas | Paul_The_Nerd: I did. |
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19:34:12 | Mikachu | maybe the opponent worms in wormlet could have another color? |
19:34:30 | Mikachu | and is anything supposed to happen after you die or do you have to restart the game? |
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19:42:22 | ohrn | anyone around that |
19:42:29 | ohrn | knows anything about gas? |
19:42:33 | Mikachu | no wonder pacman is hard.. i get 27.5/20 fps |
19:42:33 | ohrn | Error: operands mismatch −− statement `movem.l %d2-%d5/%a2-%a3,-(%sp)' ignored |
19:42:58 | ohrn | operands mismatch my ass! |
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19:46:53 | Mikachu | hrm, when i change the target fps from 20 to 30, i get 33 |
19:47:01 | Mikachu | but it feels a bit more possible now at least |
19:48:15 | Mikachu | !!! i finished level 1 with 5 lives |
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19:53:55 | amiconn | ohrn: What are you trying to do? |
19:54:37 | Mikachu | getting 48 fps when trying at 60 |
19:55:02 | Paprica | on the nano? |
19:55:05 | Mikachu | yeah |
19:55:10 | Paprica | auch |
19:55:15 | Paprica | what you did? |
19:55:17 | Paprica | @@ |
19:55:22 | Mikachu | i changed FPS to 60 ;) |
19:55:30 | Paprica | and nothing at the code |
19:55:34 | Paprica | ? |
19:55:35 | Mikachu | no |
19:55:45 | Paprica | i get 10 fps on my h300 |
19:55:46 | Paprica | =\ |
19:56:40 | amiconn | Paprica: Afaik there's some conversion implemented in asm for arm, but not for coldfire |
19:56:56 | amiconn | Small wonder you get a lower framerate... |
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19:57:43 | Paprica | =\ |
19:57:54 | Mikachu | is gcc really that bad? |
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19:58:09 | Mikachu | or is linuxstb _really_ good at asm? :) |
19:58:26 | amiconn | gcc is *sometimes* clever, but most often very silly |
19:58:32 | amiconn | ...perhaps except for x86 |
19:59:09 | amiconn | In additition some asm sequences are impossible to write in C |
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20:00:09 | Mikachu | if anyone wonders, -O3 gives about the same fps as -O2 (O2 is the default in the makefile) while -Os gives only 35 fps |
20:01:33 | amiconn | On SH, -O2 and esp. -O3 produce larger code which is often slower than -O |
20:01:53 | Mikachu | i'll try -O1 too |
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20:03:25 | Mikachu | O1 seems ever so slightly slower |
20:04:34 | ohrn | amiconn: just save some regs on the stack. but it surns out coldfire doesnt handle -(sp) and (sp)+ in movem |
20:04:51 | amiconn | No, it doesn't |
20:05:22 | ohrn | surns = turns |
20:05:46 | amiconn | You need a sequence of movem.l [regs],(%sp) lea.l (-4*regcount,%sp),%sp |
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20:06:10 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i get 48 fps in pacman when setting FPS to 60 |
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20:06:28 | Mikachu | on my nano |
20:06:30 | amiconn | For 1 or 2 regs you could use subq.l, but in that case movem doesn't pay off anyway |
20:06:36 | Mikachu | i don't remember if you have a nano |
20:07:06 | linuxstb | No, I have a 5g and a 4g Color |
20:07:13 | amiconn | Bah, of course the lea.l goes before the movem.l |
20:07:23 | linuxstb | But that's impressive anyway. |
20:07:27 | Mikachu | i got about 27.5 on 20 and 35 on 30 |
20:07:27 | ohrn | he, to bad my assembler optimized blit function for pacbox is an instant crash |
20:08:10 | linuxstb | ohrn: What platform are you optimising? H300? |
20:08:15 | ohrn | yes |
20:08:17 | _ironi_ | those ipods really get scrached easy |
20:08:21 | XavierGr | hmm amiconn, no I didn't read them. When did you make the comment? |
20:08:29 | _ironi_ | i had mibe for a few hours and already i have a ugly spot on the front |
20:08:48 | amiconn | XavierGr: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt at 02:39 |
20:08:50 | ohrn | I did some loop unrolling |
20:10:50 | linuxstb | ohrn: You should also investigate how pacbox uses IRAM - it makes virtually no difference on the iPod, but I think it will on the irivers. |
20:10:51 | ohrn | so, where is the gdb.rock plugin? :*) |
20:11:36 | amiconn | There's profiling support |
20:11:48 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I was about to commit a change that fixes the Nano's framerate at 30fps - do you think it's worth trying for anything higher? |
20:11:53 | ohrn | btw, I made a quick patch to enable the H300 remote joystick if theres interest |
20:11:54 | amiconn | (note that I didn't try to use it so far) |
20:12:04 | Mikachu | linuxstb: is it possible to try for between 30 and 60 with the current code? |
20:12:08 | safetydan | preglow, http://pastebin.com/600182 |
20:12:11 | Mikachu | i guess 40 would be feasible |
20:12:21 | Mikachu | if you draw 2 out of 3 frames? |
20:12:22 | safetydan | preglow, it's pretty rough and not adapted at all |
20:12:44 | amiconn | preglow: arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 builds on amd64 |
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20:14:22 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, just set FPS to 40, and change line 288 to be something like "if ((frame_counter % 3) != 0) {" |
20:14:28 | linuxstb | (line 288 in pacbox.c) |
20:16:09 | linuxstb | Mikachu: But IMO, it's probably worth fixing it at 30fps, and using the spare CPU cycles to try to implement better-looking scaling. |
20:16:16 | kclaf | i just crashed my ipod 5g with rockbox trying to open some text file |
20:16:23 | kclaf | cannot reproduce the crash tho |
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20:17:10 | Mikachu | it's holding pretty stable between 40.7 and 40.9 |
20:17:41 | Mikachu | is it supposed to look really crazy while you start? |
20:18:17 | linuxstb | Yes - that's the hardware initialising. |
20:18:31 | Mikachu | looks funny |
20:18:31 | ohrn | rockbox uses plain old C calling convention right? |
20:18:43 | amiconn | ? |
20:19:15 | amiconn | rockbox uses the calling convention of the abi |
20:19:17 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Remove the "#ifdef SIMULATOR" from around the while loop starting at about line 317 in pacbox.c to enable the framerate control. |
20:19:35 | ohrn | and for the H300 target that would be C or pascal? |
20:19:45 | * | amiconn doesn't understand |
20:20:04 | Mikachu | should it be nearer 40 then? |
20:20:24 | ohrn | well, since my asm routine is called from C, it neets to handle the stack in the proper way |
20:20:26 | linuxstb | ohrn: There are plenty of Coldfire ASM routines already in Rockbox (look in the apps/codecs directories). You may want to look at those for examples. |
20:20:38 | ohrn | ok |
20:20:43 | amiconn | ohrn: coldfire uses stack arguments only. |
20:20:52 | linuxstb | Mikachu: If you set FPS to 40, then the displayed framerate should be almost exactly 40 if you enable the framerate control. |
20:21:42 | Mikachu | it worked |
20:21:45 | lostlogic | found a datasheet for the USB power management chip in the ipod video... but it's in japanese. |
20:22:01 | Mikachu | don't you have a japanese translator? |
20:22:32 | lostlogic | ...no |
20:22:40 | Mikachu | i mean the person who translates rockbox to japanese, not a device |
20:23:05 | lostlogic | bagh, it's not exactly the same, ltc4075 vs ltc4066 |
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20:24:02 | BHSPitLappy | doesn't jungtil something speak japanese? |
20:24:08 | lostlogic | and I found an english version |
20:24:12 | BHSPitLappy | I think he's korean, but knows japanese |
20:24:19 | BHSPitLappy | lostlogic: never mind :) |
20:24:56 | lostlogic | good to know though. |
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20:25:28 | amiconn | lostlogic: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ltc4075+datasheet&btnG=Google+Search first hit |
20:26:03 | BHSPitLappy | any other useful data available along those lines? |
20:26:25 | Mikachu | is 75 or 66 the wanted one? |
20:27:16 | lostlogic | 66 is the desired |
20:27:21 | lostlogic | 75 is the found |
20:27:26 | Mikachu | here's a 69 |
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20:27:59 | Mikachu | amiconn: first hits on google vary from person to person sometimes |
20:28:12 | linuxstb | lostlogic: http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.do?navId=C4,P12292&action=viewall - an email address to request the datasheet. |
20:28:23 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yeah, I saw that |
20:28:27 | linuxstb | Or they suggest using the 4055 datasheet... |
20:28:36 | linuxstb | (I think.....) |
20:29:42 | Mikachu | here's one for 4064 |
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20:31:10 | lostlogic | 4064 is definitely not what we need, because it's not a USB/Wall |
20:31:17 | lostlogic | 4075 is USB/Wall so it's close |
20:31:21 | Mikachu | sorry, just going by number |
20:31:26 | lostlogic | yeah |
20:31:33 | lostlogic | and I'm just glancing over them ;) |
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20:36:10 | lostlogic | 4055 does look very similar, the application diagram is nearly the same |
20:36:41 | devino | is there anyone knows about TI's DSC25? |
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20:39:21 | Ashex | Hola |
20:39:33 | Ashex | Hello |
20:39:37 | devino | is there anyone knows about TI's DSC25? |
20:39:41 | devino | hi |
20:40:18 | ohrn | is there a Makefile option or something that makes it print the real commands executed insrad of the pretty MAKE, CC, LD etc? |
20:40:51 | Lear | make V=1 |
20:41:12 | ohrn | thanks |
20:41:14 | * | Ashex is curious as to how many people are aware of iPodWizard |
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20:41:44 | Ashex | anyone? |
20:42:07 | Mikachu | is that one of the programs that change bitmaps and etc in the original firmware? |
20:42:29 | Ashex | yeah, bitmaps, strings, and fonts |
20:42:50 | Mikachu | well, that's one so far then |
20:43:14 | Ashex | as far as I know it's the most conclusive firmware modifier I know of |
20:43:41 | Ashex | I just wanted to see how many people knew of it |
20:43:53 | Mikachu | i never used it |
20:43:55 | linuxstb | Rockbox isn't about modifying firmware. |
20:43:59 | Ashex | I know |
20:44:07 | * | Ashex read the wiki |
20:44:12 | linuxstb | :) |
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20:44:58 | Ashex | Not to leech, but if anyone feels like trying their hand at porting ipodwizard to linux, or even helping out, that'd be awesome |
20:45:10 | linuxstb | Is it open source? |
20:45:14 | Ashex | yup |
20:45:20 | Mikachu | what license? |
20:45:30 | Ashex | GPL |
20:45:49 | * | linuxstb sees the official page at http://ipodwizard.sf.net |
20:46:00 | Mikachu | i found the official page at ipodwizard.net |
20:46:14 | Mikachu | ah, the same |
20:46:35 | Ashex | yeah, we only have one developer, so progress has slowed down |
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20:47:09 | Ashex | we were lucky he came along, since the iPod Wizard (man who wrote the program) dissapeared shortly after releasing the source |
20:47:34 | * | Ashex cues the twilight zone music |
20:48:11 | Mikachu | maybe you could point all those people on the forum to rockbox |
20:48:30 | Ashex | We have a forum for rockbox with a link to rockbox.org |
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20:48:34 | Mikachu | ah |
20:48:56 | Ashex | the site has sorta turned into a general ipod site focused on firmware hacking |
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20:49:26 | Ashex | one of the members is working on deconstructing the firmware atm |
20:49:34 | lostlogic | iPods charge faster from the doc than from USB, right? |
20:49:51 | lostlogic | dock |
20:50:20 | Ashex | not really, I think it's about the same |
20:50:32 | Ashex | but it's generally smarter to charge it from the ac adapter :p |
20:50:41 | lostlogic | Ashex: what makes you say that? |
20:50:43 | linuxstb | I thought it charged faster with an AC adapter |
20:50:50 | linuxstb | But I'm not 100% sure. |
20:51:36 | Mikachu | lsusb says MaxPower is 500mA for that usb port |
20:51:47 | Mikachu | not sure how to see how much it's actually drawing |
20:51:59 | lostlogic | linuxstb: me neither −− the 4055/4066 supports a wall adapter power mode, but I don't know if it's used −− the choice of 4066 instead of 4075 _seems_ to indicate that the preferred charging mode is USB and if it is support, AC adapter is a secondary charge mode |
20:52:02 | Ashex | splice the cable? |
20:52:15 | lostlogic | Mikachu: it probably draws the full 500mA |
20:52:29 | Ashex | I believe it does |
20:52:49 | Ashex | you can find the power specs for the iPod in the manual I think |
20:53:03 | linuxstb | There's a manual? :) |
20:53:12 | * | linuxstb goes to look |
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20:53:44 | Ashex | er |
20:54:05 | devino | i need help on ti dsc25's iMX |
20:54:19 | Ashex | Check iPod lounge, they had an article about a research company that examined the hardware of the iPod video |
20:56:15 | lostlogic | looks like they supply all power through the ltc4066 −− no mention on apple's site of faster charging via AC. |
20:56:19 | Mikachu | the features guide doesn't mention anything about it anyway |
20:56:20 | Ashex | http://ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-5g-video-teardown-online/ |
20:56:35 | Ashex | there's a link to a pdf in there |
20:56:48 | Mikachu | and the apple os only shows battery level as {less than 20%}, {about halfway} and {fully charged} |
20:57:03 | Mikachu | and while charging it only shows {charging} or {fully charged} |
20:57:42 | Ashex | the meter isn't very accurate |
20:57:52 | Ashex | It's best to use the percentage hack |
20:58:06 | Ashex | er, the voltage hack |
20:58:49 | lostlogic | in rockbox, we read the voltage fine from the pcf50607 ADC |
20:59:08 | lostlogic | what I'm trying to discern is if we need to detect different power modes for AC powered vs. USB powered |
20:59:12 | lostlogic | but I don't think we do |
20:59:13 | lostlogic | so far |
20:59:32 | lostlogic | eventually we'll also show charging vs. fully charged when connected. |
20:59:34 | Ashex | yeah, shouldn't be neccesary |
20:59:56 | Ashex | just find out how much the ac adapter puts out |
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21:00:07 | Ashex | that should tell you how much the iPod uses while charging |
21:00:40 | * | Ashex rethinks that |
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21:01:00 | lostlogic | Ashex: yah, someone who doesn't have a habit of breaking hardware should measure the DCin current from the aC adapter on the doclk |
21:01:10 | Ashex | actually, I doubt it works that way. AC adapter works with all the iPods |
21:01:57 | Ashex | dang, if I'd known about rockbox earlier, I wouldn't have sold my iPod |
21:03:09 | lostlogic | 4066 can charge up to 1.5A (.25A> than 4055) |
21:03:52 | amiconn | Haha, iriver uses funny USB serial numbers |
21:04:00 | amiconn | My H340 has 0x123456789AB |
21:04:24 | Ashex | heh |
21:04:42 | Ashex | I was thinking of buying a new mp3 player, but I need a new mobo and cpu :/ |
21:04:44 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: nice |
21:04:45 | _FireFly_ | :) |
21:05:01 | amiconn | Same thing with H140 |
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21:06:15 | Mikachu | usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700123F013D |
21:06:21 | lostlogic | the ipod dock connector only has one +5V input. that settles that unless I'm missing something significant. |
21:06:48 | _FireFly_ | amiconn h120 too :) |
21:07:12 | amiconn | Archos recorder has wwww.archos.comA |
21:07:25 | _FireFly_ | as iSerial ?? |
21:07:31 | Ashex | the iPod reduces the voltage input, since the ac adapter works with all the iPods |
21:07:40 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I thought it had a 12V firewire input? |
21:07:41 | amiconn | USB serial 'number' |
21:08:03 | _FireFly_ | ok then its the iSerial in the lsusb -v output ,) |
21:08:22 | Ashex | post 4g don't support firewire |
21:08:23 | lostlogic | linuxstb: it does have that, and a +3.3, but considering there is no firewire in the latest gen... |
21:08:33 | amiconn | I'm testing on Amiga. The USB stack displays such details |
21:08:42 | linuxstb | I'm sure I read that the 5g and Nano still support firewire charging. |
21:08:44 | Ashex | they removed the firewire chipset since it was bulky |
21:08:53 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: lsusb under linux too |
21:09:09 | XavierGr | amiconn: the second remark is true this will be added later, hopefully. |
21:09:28 | amiconn | Ondio has no serial, and doesn't even mention archos |
21:09:29 | lostlogic | linuxstb: hmm... what are the power characteristics of firewire? |
21:09:32 | XavierGr | The first one is really weird though as hard as I could I couldn't get this sort of action. |
21:09:43 | amiconn | It identifies as an Alcor Micro Mass Storage Device |
21:09:57 | XavierGr | did it do that with a specific jpeg? |
21:10:05 | amiconn | XavierGr: I have to add that I have the voice UI enabled |
21:10:39 | amiconn | ...but voice doesn't use the audiobuffer, so it *should* not affect jpeg viewing |
21:10:52 | XavierGr | do you want me to look into the zoom thing? |
21:10:55 | amiconn | Perhaps the playback status detection is buggy when voice is enabled? |
21:11:02 | XavierGr | maybe? |
21:11:05 | XavierGr | but why? |
21:11:21 | XavierGr | it just checks is there is playback behind |
21:11:27 | XavierGr | if |
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21:13:22 | amiconn | XavierGr: I mean the core code which the jpeg plugin calls to check playback state |
21:13:37 | XavierGr | ah then I can't really help on that. |
21:13:54 | amiconn | Hmm, it checks rb->pcm_is_playing() |
21:14:05 | XavierGr | is that wrong? |
21:14:09 | amiconn | That seems wrong, pcm is certainly playing for voice |
21:14:14 | Ashex | Well, I'm out, class starts in 7 minutes |
21:14:34 | XavierGr | what it should be? |
21:14:37 | Ashex | Drop by ipodwizard and grab the source if you can. Perhaps we can help eachother out |
21:14:56 | Ashex | Ciou! |
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21:19:52 | amiconn | XavierGr: I'm not sure. Perhaps it should check audio_status() ? |
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21:20:21 | XavierGr | maybe, that is an option too. But I borowed that part from other plugins. |
21:20:24 | amiconn | However, audio_status() doesn't reflect recording on swcodec targets (pcm_is_playing() also doesnt do that btw!) |
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21:20:58 | amiconn | *currently* it's impossible to run a plugin when recording, but that might change |
21:21:00 | XavierGr | can it record and open a plugin? |
21:21:04 | XavierGr | ah |
21:21:27 | XavierGr | so you think it is better to check via audio_status? |
21:21:33 | amiconn | yes |
21:21:44 | amiconn | That should work on all targets, btw |
21:21:51 | XavierGr | what about rb->mp3_playing on archos? |
21:22:04 | XavierGr | ah so we will escape one ifdef then |
21:22:05 | amiconn | (not that it's necessary on archos because the plugin ram is so small) |
21:22:11 | XavierGr | ah yes |
21:22:13 | XavierGr | silly me |
21:22:30 | XavierGr | remember the times I was thinking it could load pics while playing |
21:22:56 | XavierGr | can you change it then? |
21:23:09 | amiconn | so if (rb->pcm_is_playing()) would become if (rb->audio_status() != 0) |
21:23:40 | amiconn | Needs to be tested of course |
21:23:45 | XavierGr | yes |
21:24:05 | XavierGr | I will look the zoom thing, and see possible ways to implement it. |
21:24:39 | XavierGr | It should ask if the user wants to zoom while playing. (the same as viewing while playing) |
21:26:07 | amiconn | yes |
21:27:33 | XavierGr | amiconn: can you confirm my dircache problems on the late cvs builds? I can't get it to work on my H100. Also the quick menu seems to be different aligned than before. |
21:27:59 | amiconn | The quick screens were changed by midkay_ |
21:28:06 | XavierGr | why so? |
21:28:10 | amiconn | I have no idea about dircache as I don't use it |
21:28:14 | XavierGr | it was better last time? |
21:28:22 | XavierGr | s/?/. |
21:29:10 | amiconn | 12 Mar 23:45Zakkapps/gui/quickscreen.c 1.9 Redesigned F2/F3 quick screens to put each option and its value on its own, scrolling line - fixes the problems with long strings the old design had. |
21:29:21 | amiconn | I didn't check it out yet |
21:29:33 | XavierGr | it is strangely looking IMHO. |
21:29:34 | devino | i need help about TI dsc25's iMX |
21:29:38 | ohrn | the new screen looks terribly booring |
21:29:43 | ohrn | I liked the old one better |
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21:31:16 | amiconn | I'll check it out soon. He said we could revert this change if it's deemed unwanted by a number of devs |
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21:31:40 | amiconn | I know what he was trying to solve |
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21:34:18 | XavierGr | the quick screen had a meaning when the captions were placed to the corresponded corner of the screen. |
21:34:36 | XavierGr | Now it is like reading text. All shortcuts are placed one after another. |
21:38:56 | lostlogic | amiconn: did you try out dice on the player now that it doesn't suck? |
21:39:44 | safetydan | devino, it would seem that after the third time asking with no one responding that no one knows much about the DSC25 |
21:40:03 | safetydan | From what I hear, TI is pretty tight-fisted with the documentation |
21:40:05 | amiconn | lostlogic: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060312.txt starting around 23:39 |
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21:46:26 | devino | thank you for reply :) |
21:47:26 | amiconn | XavierGr: s/?/./ probably won't do what you want, should be s/\?/\./ ;) |
21:47:30 | lostlogic | amiconn: danke, I know the help is fairly useless ATM, I'll try to make it smarter. |
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21:49:17 | Mikachu | you don't need to escape stuff in the RHS of sed commands |
21:49:25 | Mikachu | well, not quite as many anyway |
21:50:53 | amiconn | lostlogic: Some button hints for player: Stop is exit by convention; some plugins don't use that and it's confusing |
21:51:51 | amiconn | I'd suggest either -/+ to select the value (like it already is) and On/Menu to increase/decrease |
21:52:24 | amiconn | ..or perhaps better, use On to cycle through values (no back/forth as there are only 2 anyway) and +/- to increase/decrease |
21:53:01 | amiconn | Play for throwing the dice |
21:53:25 | lostlogic | amiconn: yah, I was planning on modifying the plugin to wrap for both the values and the selection so that I can simplify the buttons for devices with fewer controls than the H3x0 |
21:53:54 | XavierGr | hehe |
21:56:08 | imphasing | What player was rockbox originally intended for? |
21:56:10 | imphasing | :/ |
21:56:13 | amiconn | lostlogic: There are font problems in dice.rock |
21:56:37 | amiconn | I just tried it on H340; with my current font I could only see the 2 setup lines |
21:57:00 | amiconn | Also, the −−- cursor position doesn't match the values above |
21:57:06 | amiconn | (with a prop font) |
21:57:52 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, I noticed the proportional problem −− and it is per-device configured to how many lines to use, so it doesn't adapt for font size at all. |
21:58:05 | Mikachu | can't you just set the sys font? |
21:58:29 | amiconn | lostlogic: Oh, that's bad |
21:59:09 | lostlogic | amiconn: haha, yes, it's a very simple plugin... doing smart font related things was not on my m ind when I created it. |
21:59:32 | amiconn | dice graphics would be cool |
21:59:37 | lostlogic | *scowl* |
21:59:41 | amiconn | ..on all targets |
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22:00:31 | XavierGr | yeah! |
22:00:40 | XavierGr | that would be awesome |
22:00:46 | Mikachu | speaking of dice graphics, does anyone else think the clock plugin is *slightly* overkill right now? |
22:00:58 | Mikachu | i mean, sliding logo screen and custom menu? |
22:01:49 | amiconn | Mikachu: It's been like this on archos for ages. midkay_ wanted it that way, and in a plugin there's no reason to save on code size as long as it doesn't get too big for plugin ram |
22:02:01 | amiconn | It's not fully adapted to the new targets... |
22:02:06 | Mikachu | well, the splash screen still annoys me a bit :) |
22:02:13 | Mikachu | since it could just show the clock right away |
22:02:30 | amiconn | Nag midkay_ to make it optional... |
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22:02:42 | XavierGr | XavierGr: forget about the dircache thing. It was a huge folder I had there that made the error |
22:02:50 | XavierGr | all is fine now that I removed that big folder. |
22:03:04 | XavierGr | that was meant for Slasheri |
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22:11:56 | tucoz | linuxstb, are you here? |
22:14:48 | herz42_ | lostlogic: looking at the ipod charger chip? |
22:15:50 | herz42_ | Inspired from the discussion, I'm doing some current measurements |
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22:18:25 | herz42_ | some interesting results: with rockbox running, the ipod draws only 100mA from my powered USB hub, while it consumes 380mA when the built in rom-usb-apple-fw is running :( |
22:19:25 | herz42_ | so it seems that the charger needs usb handling (for knowing how much power it may draw etc.) otherwise it sticks to the standards |
22:20:11 | herz42_ | with my external car adapter, it draws 140mA what is something like 340mA recalculated for 5V |
22:22:41 | herz42_ | btw: on the car charger, the current varies depending on lcd/hdd activity. So it seems that the battery is not used when connected to 12V |
22:24:02 | herz42_ | 25mA are drawn with ipod just idling, 28mA with 0dB audio playback, and the lcd makes a 35mA difference (all 12V) |
22:25:39 | lostlogic | herz42_: are these later values for rockbox or retailos? |
22:25:55 | herz42_ | for rockbox |
22:26:27 | lostlogic | can you measure the pins on the car adapter's ipod connector to figure out which ones are powered? |
22:27:00 | lostlogic | http://pinouts.ru/data/ipod_pinout.shtml |
22:27:10 | lostlogic | check the 12v and 5v and 3.3v plz |
22:27:20 | herz42_ | I once tore one apart, there it were the (former) firewire pins. I'm not sure, but it should be the same in my current cable... |
22:28:10 | lostlogic | ok, that makes sense then |
22:28:30 | lostlogic | so contrary to my previous statement, it does use the wall adapter feature of the lct4066 most likely |
22:28:45 | lostlogic | and we may be able to set it to high power USB mode in firmware |
22:29:32 | herz42_ | I thought some times that it didn't even charge in rockbox when connected to usb. Now I'm sure :) |
22:30:03 | herz42_ | I didn't look at the datasheet yet. Is the information in there? |
22:30:23 | herz42_ | (to switch to high power mode) |
22:30:50 | lostlogic | herz42_: the 4055 shows a pin that can be used to control how much power is drawn from USB |
22:31:04 | lostlogic | herz42_: I'd lay odds there's a similar pin on the 4066 |
22:31:22 | herz42_ | 1 buck for the one who find out which one :) |
22:32:19 | lostlogic | more importantly how to control that pin from rockbox ;) |
22:32:32 | lostlogic | and while where at it |
22:32:44 | lostlogic | how to read the charge status pin of the lct4066 |
22:33:07 | herz42_ | yeah, I thought of the ipod gpio pin ;) |
22:33:58 | herz42_ | or can it be switched with high level usb cotrolling also? |
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22:34:26 | lostlogic | hrm? |
22:35:38 | herz42_ | does retailos have to use that pin also, or is there another way to get more current? |
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22:38:52 | tucoz | linuxstb, nevermind. I just wanted to ask if you would like to add Pacbox to the manual yourself, but I just commited a LaTeX version of the wiki. :-) |
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22:41:31 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: Yes? |
22:41:43 | tucoz | nevermind. I just wanted to ask if you would like to add Pacbox to the manual yourself, but I just commited a LaTeX version of the wiki. :-) |
22:41:54 | linuxstb_ | OK :) |
22:42:19 | linuxstb_ | I'll try and remember to keep it updated when I change pacbox (I've got a few things planned). |
22:42:28 | tucoz | Nice |
22:43:01 | tucoz | But, one of these days I think we need to introduce a macro for the keys. So that Select is always called Select etc. |
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22:43:35 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: Yes, you should use the same names as button.h |
22:44:16 | tucoz | Ok. I am not that used to macros though. I'll look into those later on (if noone else does it for me ) |
22:46:00 | Mmmm | Petur you there? |
22:47:41 | petur | yup |
22:48:11 | Mmmm | have you looked at the patch or have you decided not to go there? :) |
22:48:34 | XavierGr | what patch? |
22:48:45 | petur | no time yet |
22:48:55 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: You should check bit 0 on GPIOB - it's possible that this is the charging status on the 5g, but it is currently used to detect a USB connection. |
22:49:06 | Mmmm | Xavier:remote peakmeter/recordingscreen support |
22:49:20 | XavierGr | nice |
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22:49:28 | Mmmm | Petur: ok...so you think you may look at some point? |
22:50:14 | petur | Mmmm: I'd rather have somebody with a remote test and commit it. You want me to look at it for my opinion? |
22:50:29 | XavierGr | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6417385327483962352&q=zelda+parody |
22:50:38 | XavierGr | des kai ayto meta to vrika tora |
22:50:43 | XavierGr | perimeno na katevei |
22:50:59 | XavierGr | alla to proigoumeno pou sou edosa einai to kalitero |
22:51:06 | XavierGr | oops |
22:51:09 | XavierGr | shit |
22:51:12 | Mmmm | Petur:It's difficult to find devs with an interest in the recording screen and it's impossible to find one with a remote! :D |
22:51:12 | XavierGr | sorry about that |
22:51:23 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: Is there a manual target for the ipodvideo? |
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22:51:36 | tucoz | linuxstb, no, not ye |
22:51:37 | tucoz | t |
22:51:54 | Mmmm | Petur: but yeah, if you've got the time it'd be great if you could look at it! :) |
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22:52:44 | petur | in the tracker already or just the forum? |
22:52:57 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: hmm... that bit most likely at least flickers when charge is complete, because I know my ipod flips to disk mode as charge completes while playing in rockbox. |
22:53:04 | Mmmm | its on the tracker |
22:53:20 | Mmmm | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4818 |
22:53:38 | lostlogic | herz42_: hard to say, retailos probably also uses this pin to determine how much power to draw from USB. |
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22:55:04 | herz42_ | lostlogic: then there's a chance to get it before we have full usb support - promising |
22:57:36 | herz42_ | I'm just looking at the 4075. there the current selection is done with a resistor. So maybe someone finds it on the pcb :) |
22:59:59 | lostlogic | herz42_: 4055 is much more like 4066 |
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23:00:17 | lostlogic | thr 4066 and 4055 both use a bypass style AC adapter power system where hte 4075 uses a passthrough style |
23:01:30 | herz42_ | ohh, I didn't see a second source input. So it is done with an additional external voltage regulator? |
23:01:49 | lostlogic | herz42_: yeah |
23:02:38 | lostlogic | herz42_: just a simple voltage regulator to go from the 12v input to 5V player power most likely |
23:02:56 | herz42_ | ah yes, just found the application with external dc/dc converter |
23:04:54 | herz42_ | and the LM34910 is in the ipod bom... |
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23:06:38 | bluey | how can i patch rockbox exactly for Albumart support? |
23:10:18 | petur | Mmmm: that's quite a bit of code you changed... and most of them I don't know well (all that gui stuff) |
23:11:01 | Mmmm | heh heh...I know..took me a while to get to grips with it but it brings the recording screen into line with the rest of the rockbox code! |
23:15:30 | herz42_ | ok, now as my ipod is fully charged again, the numbers from retailos that are to be beaten: |
23:15:50 | petur | Mmmm: I don't feel comfortable to commit now at all... too much unknown stuff... maybe if I look at it as bit longer |
23:16:06 | herz42_ | 12mA are drawn with ipod just idling, 15mA with 0dB audio playback, and the lcd makes a 33mA difference (all 12V) |
23:16:31 | Mmmm | Petur: It does look nicer the longer you look at it it must be said! :D |
23:17:35 | Mmmm | Tis powerful stuff that gui code once you get the hang of it! I like it! :) |
23:17:37 | linuxstb_ | herz42_: When you talk about the lcd, what do you mean? The backlight? |
23:17:55 | herz42_ | and it can clearly be seen that some kind of frequency (maybe even voltage) scaling is done. when the device is active, power raises up to 35mA and slowly (in 2s or so) drops down to 12mA again |
23:19:22 | herz42_ | linuxstb: yes, backlight |
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23:25:10 | petur | heh the h300 sim doesn't have the recording screen? |
23:25:56 | amiconn | Recording isn't simulated, for any target |
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23:26:55 | Mmmm | its a plug-unlpug nightmare! |
23:26:58 | sharpe | i'm back! |
23:27:12 | herz42_ | btw: it's hard to tell exactly, but the hdd seems to consume an average 110mA when actively transfering data (12v/rockbox fw) |
23:27:14 | miner49er | I know this isn't the right place to ask, but i've just started re-building the kernel (2.6.15.sumthing) and owndered how long (on a AMX2000+) it should take to build - i.e. should I just go to sleep? |
23:28:06 | miner49er | oh, and on a rockbox subject - has anyone else noticed the boot up time has increased? (Archos JBR) |
23:28:08 | Bagder | miner49er: its pretty fast on modern machines |
23:28:20 | miner49er | Badger: What half an hour? |
23:28:40 | miner49er | I meant: What, like half an hour? |
23:28:51 | Bagder | I'd guess less than so |
23:29:02 | miner49er | Oh right, cool :-) |
23:29:29 | miner49er | The last time I did it (8 years ago) it seemed to take forever... |
23:30:02 | tucoz | 8 years ago, the computers were less powerfull than the Gigabeat ;-) |
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23:30:19 | amiconn | Takes forever... |
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23:30:44 | miner49er | So, has anyone else noticed rockbox boot up time increased? |
23:31:09 | miner49er | it takes ages now for me? It could also be since I re-formted my drive (thru linux) |
23:31:38 | BHSPitMonkey | comes up in less than a second for me |
23:31:41 | amiconn | It's about half a second longer (on non-flashed boxes) since december |
23:31:41 | BHSPitMonkey | on my iPods video and nano |
23:31:51 | amiconn | ...because of the self-extracting loader |
23:32:04 | hydrahead | i just notice that it gives the 4g a high temperature :) |
23:32:21 | amiconn | BHSPitLappy: archos recv1... |
23:32:31 | miner49er | MMm, must be my box then 'cos it's a few seconds... |
23:32:47 | miner49er | it was more or less instant before |
23:32:57 | amiconn | Well, maybe |
23:33:00 | miner49er | My battery is dying as well I think. |
23:33:09 | amiconn | It seems my jbr has the battery contact problem |
23:33:09 | miner49er | doesn't last very long at all |
23:33:34 | hydrahead | thats because no one is able to make the cpu throttle without some unstable patch |
23:33:41 | amiconn | Suffering from spurious OFF events, and disk spinup sometimes sounds strange |
23:34:43 | miner49er | amiconn: I had one that did that...I tried to take it apart and destroyed it in the process! gave the LCD someone though |
23:35:25 | miner49er | I've been reluctant to dismantle this one (it's been going for a couple of years now) |
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23:39:39 | hydrahead | Has there been any progress to prolongin battery life on iPod? Since apple os is freezing up on me from time to time I'm now using Rockbox and the player starts getting really warm after 10min |
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