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#rockbox log for 2006-03-18

00:00:17LinusNso it is likely to be the one we already have drivers for
00:00:26 Join qwm [0] (
00:00:30qwmCassandra: are you british?
00:01:04Mikachuwhat happened to the cam?
00:02:50 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.")
00:02:51webguest69LinusN: good news
00:03:10afruff23_I don't knwo, but now there is a link on the page describing the devcon
00:04:17Papricathe iriver lcd driver still 90%?
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00:05:16 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:06:04 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!")
00:06:16PapricaLinusN, amiconn?
00:06:38 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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00:08:04ZagorMikachu: the webcam software switched directory at midnight...
00:08:14Mikachuoh, clever
00:08:27B4gderCreative makes clever things
00:08:40midkay !!!!!
00:08:41B4gderthat's why we had to skip its upload feature and write our own
00:09:17Papricamidkay nice
00:09:32ZagorI'll put it up
00:09:36B4gdergo go go
00:09:39midkaycool! :)
00:09:58sharpeyay midkay!
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00:09:58afruff23_nice, but what is this for exactly?
00:10:19PapricaZagor, why cant i delete my own files on the traker?
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00:10:24midkayafruff23_, Paul_the_Nerd suggested a devcon 2006 weekend "special" logo..
00:10:27midkayjust messing around :)
00:10:41ZagorPaprica: reporters can not delete anything, only devs can
00:10:51Papricaim in the devs group
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00:11:08Papricai'm Ben Basha
00:11:11ZagorPaprica: hmm, i'll take a look then
00:11:18XavierGrwow! Hello to all of Devcon
00:11:22sharpemidkay, i've a problem :)
00:11:29midkaysharpe, hm?
00:11:30XavierGrIt must be midnight there.
00:11:41sharpeheheh, one sec...
00:12:02XavierGrso the guy that talks to amiconn now is...?
00:12:32sharpeyay "wpzip.c:(.text.plugin_start+0x7c): undefined reference to `memset'"
00:12:35Zagori.e. [IDC]Dragon
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00:12:54XavierGrnice, now I have to see Lostlogic and Cassandra :D
00:13:03Mikachusharpe: try rb->memset
00:13:13sharpeno, it's not that...
00:13:24sharpei don't even have memset in plugin_start() :)
00:14:06ZagorPaprica: that permission wasn't set for anyone... fixed now
00:14:18Papricaok, thanks
00:14:31B4gdersharpe: its a known side-effect of gcc using memset internally for initing variables
00:14:55B4gderyou can change the init, or provide a function of your own called memset that calls rb->memseet
00:15:14sharpeokay, thank you
00:15:19B4gderwe should wiki it one day
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00:15:32linuxstbOr put memset in the plugin lib?
00:15:40linuxstbAh, but there's no rb-> there...
00:16:30Mikachuis it possible to extract the boot logo from the ipod?
00:16:41Mikachuor can i find it somewhere?
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00:17:00linuxstbYou mean the Apple logo?
00:17:09sharpeah, thanks B4gder, it's fine now :)
00:17:19linuxstbThat will be part of the flash bootloader - which is encrypted on disk.
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00:17:35linuxstbMaybe the flash can be read from inside Rockbox though - I've never tried it.
00:17:36Mikachucan you read data back from the lcd?
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00:18:23afruff23_Once rockbox for the iPod is released will it be completely UMS?
00:18:30B4gderit already is
00:18:34***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:18:36linuxstbIt always was...
00:18:42Mikachuwhat's ums?
00:18:51afruff23_universal mass storage
00:19:04afruff23_shows up as a hard drive on computer
00:19:10afruff23_ipod already had it before rockbox
00:19:20Mikachurockbox doesn't show up as anything currently when you plug it in
00:19:23afruff23_but you couldn't use files on it witout a computer
00:19:28B4gderusb mass storage I thought
00:19:36Mikachuunless you count the reboot to emergency disk mode...
00:19:40afruff23_that's the same thing B4dger
00:19:54B4gderuniversal is not equal to usb
00:20:07afruff23_it's the same concept
00:20:09B4gderI meant what the abbrivation stands for
00:20:16sharpehmm... finite difference between the two...
00:20:18afruff23_the abrreviation is actually universal
00:20:30afruff23_because it could apply to firewire devices ass well
00:20:47MikachuFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:20:47MikachuJump to: navigation, search
00:20:47MikachuUMS can refer to:
00:20:48DBUGEnqueued KICK Mikachu
00:20:48Mikachu * USB mass storage device class
00:21:16B4gderso I was righter ;-)
00:21:25afruff23_I guess so
00:21:42sharpeyay data aborts... :(
00:21:55afruff23_doesn't matter but I think it sould've been labelled universal mass storage so it could apply to non-USB devices
00:22:20linuxstbB4gder: :)
00:23:36linuxstbA google for "Universal Mass Storage" gives that link on page #2
00:23:59sharpeahey, i go from a 'data abort' to a 'undefined instruction'... wonderful.
00:24:18afruff23_So this means I have to turn on the player before attaching it to computer?
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00:25:02linuxstbafruff23_: What means that?
00:25:18CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:25:18*petur waves at devcon crew and goes packing for his holiday - happy devcon!
00:25:37B4gderhappy holiday petur
00:25:42afruff23_Does that link you provided mean that I have to turn on the X5 before attaching to the computer in USB mode?
00:25:52 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:26:09linuxstbNo, it just defines what happens when you plug USB in when Rockbox is running.
00:27:20linuxstbOn the irivers for example, the bootloader has its own usb mode - so if you plugin in USB, then turn on your player, the bootloader will enter usb mode, and then start Rockbox when you remove the usb cable.
00:27:35afruff23_also, how does the X5 coldfire CPU compare to other players such as the iPod
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00:28:25markunbagawk: are you guys going to pull an all-nighter?
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00:29:11markunBagder: that was for you
00:29:36XavierGrwho is the guy standing right now?
00:29:45XavierGrnot now
00:30:09ZagorXavierGr: he's an alien. you never saw him.
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00:30:23XavierGrAlieans were coats?
00:30:34linuxstbIt's cold in Sweden...
00:30:45*qwm wants an audio feed from the devcon
00:30:47XavierGris it Brandon?
00:30:48B4gder-7C atm
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00:33:09linuxstbafruff23_: I would say the iPods have slightly more horsepower (two 75MHz ARM cores), but it's not significant. Rockbox is well optimised for the Coldfire already.
00:33:20amiconnPaprica: yes?
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00:34:26Papricaisnt it ( need some change after your lcd changes commit?
00:34:40*amiconn checks
00:35:29afruff23_is USB OTG planned or not because it's on the todo list but the wikipedia article on rockbox says that USB-OTG is not possible
00:35:54linuxstbafruff23_: Yes, it's planned - where the hardware supports it.
00:35:59amiconnWell, I don't think so
00:36:08amiconn(that was directed at Paprica)
00:36:36Papricajust checking is it need to stay in 90
00:36:41amiconnLCD flip is rather minor, compared to the still slow mono bitmap drawing
00:36:46Papricaif is it*
00:36:53amiconnPerhaps 92%
00:36:54Paul_The_Nerdafruff23_: Not possible, or just unsupported?
00:36:57markunafruff23_: petur is looking into it
00:37:04Papricablah my english =\
00:37:07Mikachuhas the webcam page said 'The conspiracy' at the top the whole time?
00:37:22afruff23_So the only thing removed from the X5 in the rockbox firmware will be WMA support, half-assed DRM, and lyrics?
00:37:25linuxstbMikachu: Yes.
00:37:28sharpeguess what i just got!
00:37:35B4gderMikachu: ssshhhhh don't tell anyone
00:37:39afruff23_how will lyrics be implemented?(not that I need them)
00:37:54Mikachuyou could open text files while listening :)
00:38:02B4gderthere's lyrics patch around
00:38:05Paul_The_Nerdafruff23_: It would depend entirely on how someone coded the feature. There's a patch in the tracker.
00:38:07linuxstbafruff23_: There is already at least one patch that gives Rockbox lyrics support. I'm sure WMA will appear eventually.
00:38:30Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: There was someone in the forums who's started working on fixed-point WMA again.
00:38:33Mikachuooh sorry ;)
00:38:52linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Has he/she actually started, or is it just good intentions?
00:39:07afruff23_This is good, Rockbox will completely replace my current firmware on my X5. I have no WMA or DRM.
00:39:23sharpeyou say it like drm is a music format...
00:39:23Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Says he's got some work done on it. Now it's "hybrid" where he says he's got it mostly fixed point, except for some sticky areas.
00:39:52linuxstbI'll be able to play my wma file soon then.
00:40:04lostlogiclinuxstb: you have one?
00:40:21linuxstbJust the one.
00:40:29linuxstbA webcast that I captured.
00:40:32Paul_The_NerdI'm going to have to encode one just so that I have a WMA on an iPod.
00:40:47Mikachui couldn't even find a camera picture of the apple logo while booting..
00:41:04linuxstbMikachu: You could ask on #ipodlinux
00:41:12afruff23_I know DRM isn't a format. It's part of bought WMA files and iTunes files
00:41:26B4gderI compared the h300 LCD with the iPod video LCD
00:41:28sharpei know, it's just funny when i read stuff...
00:41:37Mikachulinuxstb: that sounds a bit scary
00:41:53B4gderthe ipod one is just *so* nice
00:42:05linuxstbB4gder: I know :) Tried pacbox?
00:42:22Mikachuit would be nice if they supported hardware sprites :)
00:42:26B4gderno, I just ran some simple plugis to compare the LCDs
00:42:33B4gdercube, credits, plasma
00:43:16B4gderit made we want one ;-)
00:43:32XavierGrwhat is better exactly?
00:43:41B4gderthe look
00:43:51B4gdercrisper somehow
00:44:06B4gderthe credits scroll is solid and not as "flickery"
00:44:14linuxstbI don't like the new clickwheel though - the 4g's version feels much more solid.
00:44:27Mikachuhow did they change it?
00:44:44afruff23_I think it's smaller
00:45:02afruff23_ANd the button changed or something
00:45:05linuxstbYes, the 5g's wheel is slightly smaller, and just feels cheaper.
00:45:08Mikachuare there any nanos at the devcon?
00:45:10sharpehey midkay, i haven't had any success...
00:45:20B4gderMikachu: Cassandra has one
00:45:32midkaysharpe, argh :(
00:45:37Mikachuhow does it compare to the 4g and 5g wheel?
00:46:17sharpei keep getting 'undefined instruction at <insert arbitrary address here>' for anything i try... :(
00:46:26B4gderI didn't try much
00:46:56linuxstbsharpe: Have you initialised rb ?
00:47:10sharpeaye cap'n
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00:47:42linuxstbHave a look at the map file generated for your plugin - that will tell you where that arbitrary address is.
00:49:03sharpefound it
00:49:21sharpeno, wrong plugin.
00:50:39afruff23_what will happen to video on the X5?
00:51:54linuxstbNothing. You'll still have video in the iaudio firmware.
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00:52:53Paul_The_NerdNo, no, you're not supposed to reassure him. "If you attempt to play a video file in Rockbox, to punish you for your ignorance it will reflash over your firmware image with all 0s, then format your disk, before restarting your player."
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00:52:58Paul_The_NerdSee, that's an appropriate response.
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00:53:39linuxstbI thought that's how Rockbox dealt with WMA files?
00:53:59Paul_The_NerdNo no no... WMAs write over the whole firmware image with _1s_
00:53:59afruff23_What I meant is will video be supported in Rockbox without having to switch to the iAudio firmware
00:54:08afruff23_paul, I assume you were sarcastic
00:54:43XavierGrafruff23_: you assume. you will not be sure unless you try
00:54:45Paul_The_Nerdafruff23_: If someone programs it, Rockbox could potentially support video playback, but at the moment it's more focused on simply being the best audio player it can be. And yeah, that was sarcasm.
00:54:49sharpewouldn't it suck if he wasn't? :)
00:55:05XavierGrah you ruined it :)
00:55:32*linuxstb starts a special video playback plugin
00:55:41sharpeeh, midkay, i'm not having any progress... at all...
00:55:58midkaysharpe, what's the deal specifically? won't load? won't compile? won't run"
00:56:04sharpewon't run
00:56:07Mikachusharpe: what are you doing?
00:56:12Papricalinuxstb, good luck =]
00:56:16linuxstbsharpe: Do you want to post the source somewhere? Many eyes...
00:56:20midkaysharpe, no warnings on compile or anything?
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00:56:26sharpeno warnings...
00:56:49midkaysharpe, well, what exactly does the plugin do?
00:57:03midkayis it just told to load a WPS file or does it have all the zip code in it and everything?
00:57:07sharpegenerates a nice, fancy error emssage.
00:57:11sharpejust the wps
00:57:30sharpeemssage, like an e-massage, but more like a message at the same time.
00:57:52midkaysharpe, what error?
00:58:12sharpeundefined instruction one i said something about earlier
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00:58:17Mikachuheh, daps and a cola can
00:58:24Mikachuoh no, it was picked up
00:58:47midkaysharpe, didn't see that, sorry..
00:58:52ModernExecutivecan i ask a question about how rockbox renders while-playing screens?
00:58:59[IDC]Dragonhow about a live Archos HD change?
00:59:20*linuxstb grabs the popcorn
00:59:27*[IDC]Dragon needs to fix Christis Player
00:59:33sharpecampfire song time!
00:59:48Paul_The_NerdIt would be that something fun would happen right when I'm about to leave for a date.
01:00:08MikachuModernExecutive: feel free
01:00:17midkaysharpe, hmm.. well, i'd probably try to narrow it down a bit.. comment out the loading code and firstly just have it draw some text on the LCD and make sure that works so you know it's not a rockbox/api/something else kind of error.. if the drawing works, i'd maybe set it up so that pressing SELECT executes the command to load the WPS and then see if the plugin still runs..
01:00:28midkayand see what happens when select is pressed.. for example.
01:00:39ModernExecutiveI am wondering if it's possible to control the y-coordinate placement of a few lines of text
01:00:40linuxstbsharpe: Also, are you using the sim?
01:00:54MikachuModernExecutive: right now i think it isn't
01:00:56sharpei actually have problems of my own with the sim.
01:01:02Paul_The_NerdModernExecutive: Not currently. You could always code a patch for it. :)
01:01:02sharpetherefore, i use my player.
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01:01:10ModernExecutivePTN: i'm considering it
01:01:37ModernExecutivei just wanted to know what challenges i'd be up against
01:01:51linuxstbModernExecutive: The intention is viewports - but no-one has coded it yet.
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01:02:36MrStaticVoidwhat are they doing with the cam?
01:02:58B4gderjörg is doing surgory
01:03:01linuxstbMust be preparing for the live Archos HD change...
01:03:06[IDC]Dragonlive OP footage
01:03:17ModernExecutivealso, the %m code in wpses. there's no talk about it in the wiki, but that looks like the most promising place to start w/ a patch
01:03:21linuxstbIs this going to be bloody?
01:03:26ModernExecutivei was just curious what %m does
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01:04:07herz42lostlogic: regarding the gpioE bit 0: On my ipv behaviour is the same as you describe, only the bit is low active (reversed) here!?
01:04:16XavierGrwow they cannibalizing it
01:04:34herz42and it flips back to 1 sometimes when hdd is active even if backlight is on...
01:04:46lostlogicherz42: I might have misspoken in jetlag.
01:04:55lostlogiclemme take a look again
01:05:04herz42There seems to be some strange external circuit connected to the bits that affect backlight (B3, E0, L7).
01:06:20lostlogicherz42: bit 0 goes low when the backlight goes off here with USB connected
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01:06:41herz42yes, same here
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01:06:53sharpemidkay, it doesn't seem to be anything with the plugin or api...
01:07:05sharpejust when i call those functions i added... :)
01:07:22midkaysharpe, so, did you try case BUTTON_SELECT: loadwps(); ? :)
01:07:47sharpein a different form, yes
01:07:50lostlogicherz42: when plugging and unplugging accessories, have you seen th eipod go poof and hard shutdown?
01:08:04midkayso you got the error.. when you pressed the button or when you ran it?
01:08:05herz42poof? :)
01:08:14lostlogicherz42: physical shutdown
01:08:18midkaysharpe, hmm.. alright..
01:08:48sharpeso, i must be doing something wrong with those two functions i added to the plugin api to see if it would load a wps...
01:08:50midkaysharpe, well, i can't say much from here.. you must be calling it wrong or it may be set up incorrectly in the API..
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01:09:02herz42no, never had a shutdown. But I have reversed the MENU button on USB insert.
01:09:16Mikachusharpe: maybe you forgot to add the functions both to plugin.c and plugin.h?
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01:09:26Mikachusharpe: in the same order
01:09:26herz42So it will never switch to USB mode by itself...
01:09:29sharpenope, added them both...
01:09:39afruff23_since there is no video support, does this mean I will be able to set shuffle to all folders and not have movies end up in the shuffle?
01:09:52Mikachuit should only add supported files to the playlist
01:10:01afruff23_that's great
01:10:06midkayafruff23_, no, movies will play when you have shuffle enabled, but they don't work at all when you try to play them directly. ;)
01:10:10sharpehmm... i wonder what set_option does... if it'd be of any use...
01:10:12lostlogicherz42: interesting
01:10:32linuxstbsharpe: It's for menus giving the user a choice between a set of options.
01:10:38sharpethank you.
01:10:48linuxstbI added it recently for pacbox.
01:10:53herz42lostlogic: when does that happen for you? Only with USB?
01:11:16sharpewell, i'm out of ideas... :(
01:11:16lostlogicherz42: any accessory when plugging and unplugging frequently
01:11:26Mikachulinuxstb: i added support to pacbox to switch between two sets of roms, because i found an alternate modded set he calls xen's revenge, but it looks like it doesn't work quite right :)
01:11:47Mikachui got ghosts that started flying right across the maze
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01:12:21linuxstbYou could try those ROMs with PIE - the emulator pacbox is based on.
01:12:27sharpeheh... any advice on trying to load a wps thru a plugin anyone? :)
01:12:38afruff23_midkay, I don't understand, so movies will still end up in the shuffle but not play? Or will they not end up in the shuffle at all?
01:12:50midkayafruff23_, i was kidding.
01:13:01herz42lostlogic: just tried to plug usb/power/headphone 5x each. no problem
01:13:10midkayanything not audio will not play during shuffle.
01:14:09sharpehmm... my pencil was made in japan.
01:14:22qwmwhat is wrong with you afruff23_
01:14:57sharpehowever, the pen was made in indonesia.
01:15:07sharpebut they're made by the same company.
01:15:14sharpeer, distributed at least.
01:15:15XavierGrwhat about your rubber?
01:15:29sharpeno clue?
01:15:43afruff23_qwm, I didn't udnerstand if they meant that movies will be in the shuffle and not play or would they not come up in the shuffle at all.
01:15:43sharpei've no rubber glove boxes around
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01:16:16midkaysharpe, maybe one of the devs who knows more about the WPS/tree/file loading has a better idea.. any of the core devs probably knows..
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01:17:02linuxstbsharpe: Are you trying to load a zipped wps file?
01:17:12sharpejust a plain wps
01:17:18PapricaLinusN, did you start to work on the viewports?
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01:17:40sharpethe zipped wps is what comes after the wps loads...
01:17:49LinusNi once did, but i scrapped it
01:17:52sharpeer, what i'm going to work on.
01:18:17linuxstbThat's what I meant - your aim is to load a zipped wps?
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01:18:42sharpeokay, my pen is made in indonesia, my pencil is made in japan, and they're both distributed by a company named after a striped animal that lives in the african plains.
01:18:59sharpeyeah, but it's more likely going to be in an unzipped format, as i've already got the code for that
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01:19:28XavierGranyone thought of a zip implementation for loading wps'es?
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01:19:57linuxstbI would start by just adding your code to the rockbox core. After it's working there, then think about moving it to a plugin.
01:20:20sharpethe code for the zip?
01:20:48Zoide7777hi guys
01:20:53Mikachulinuxstb: if you want to try it
01:21:05Zoide7777are there any plans for tagdatabase for this devcon?
01:21:21afruff23_I thought tagdatabase is part of the generic rockbox?
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01:21:36Mikachuah, the thing with the floating ghosts is acknowledged there
01:21:38afruff23_meaning it's on all rockbox'd devices
01:21:40Mikachuso it's not my fault
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01:22:09linuxstbMikachu: Looks fun.
01:22:14Zoide7777afruff23_:well, there is a version, but it's old. there's a new one in development
01:22:24Zoide7777oops, that was the name... that's why i confused you
01:22:30Zoide7777(I mistook the names)
01:22:39Mikachulinuxstb: here's my stab at a selector patch,
01:22:41linuxstbMikachu: How does your patch work? Adding support for other romsets is on my to-do list, but I haven't really thought about it.
01:22:43Mikachulinuxstb: it'll just ask on startup
01:22:43Zoide7777*mixed up
01:22:43sharpeyou know what's cool? those really long pieces of 'lead' for mechanical pencils you get in them when you buy the pencils.
01:22:49[IDC]Dragonthat "new" HD makes grinding noises
01:23:03[IDC]Dragonmaybe this was no win
01:23:15afruff23_forfor what device?
01:23:24Mikachulinuxstb: there are some lines that depend on the absolute wheel but i think it's obvious which ones they are :)
01:23:30[IDC]Dragona 4 GB disk for a Player
01:27:02sharpewell, i don't know what to do now...
01:27:48afruff23_I don't see any X5-specific items in the agenda for the devcon or are they just not listed
01:28:36linuxstbsharpe: What unzip code have you used as your source?
01:28:48sharpemy own... ?
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01:29:10linuxstbAny reason for that?
01:29:17sharpecouldn't find anything else?
01:29:38linuxstbWhat about info-zip's unzip?
01:30:23Mikachulinuxstb: wow,
01:30:32sharpethe only unzipping is from an uncompressed zip file, and it's not really zipped anymore, it's more of a stored pack of files... but, it does work. i've a plugin that reads uncompressed zip files and will extract them...
01:31:54Mikachui guess some of those won't work
01:33:34Mikachulinuxstb: maybe generating the menu from subdirs would be a better idea
01:33:43Mikachuif more than two or three of these work
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01:37:17Zoide7777ow, this guy looks hardcore:
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01:37:33sharpeso linuxstb, any ideas to my .wps related dilemma? :)
01:38:21[IDC]DragonBrandon on the cam...
01:38:38[IDC]Dragonleft of me
01:39:12Zoide7777what are you guys doing to all those archoses?
01:39:51LinusNopen heart surgery
01:39:58sharpearchocaust? :\
01:40:08linuxstbMikachu: Yes, putting extra ROMs in subdirectories would be a simple solution.
01:40:55sharpeever thought what the hohocaust would be like? little debbie twinkenau concentration camp :(
01:41:03XavierGrdoes anyone know how to copy paste to coLinux console?
01:41:07Mikachuhm, not so many of these are .5e and so on
01:41:16MoosHello all
01:41:37midkaysharpe, HAHA.
01:42:08sharpeinstead of the 'final solution,' the 'final recipe'
01:42:14*Moos is looking at the devcon conspiracy :-)
01:42:50muesli__when does devcon start?
01:43:00sharpealready started...
01:43:03sharpei thinks
01:43:11Mooslostlogic and Gragoon on front, right?
01:43:17midkaysharpe, hahaha
01:43:52muesli__Mikachu :-)
01:44:14sharpehohocaust : the genocide of nabiscoism
01:44:54midkayhahaha :)
01:44:55muesli__whoever is there, start striptease ;)
01:45:09sharpeokay, think i'm done with that idea for a while
01:45:18sharpeanyone... ideas? :-P
01:45:27midkaysharpe, ask.. someone!!
01:45:36sharpefor what?
01:46:13Moosmuesli: hehe :-)
01:46:31Mikachumuesli__: are you
01:46:40MoosLinusN appear to be bored, are you?
01:47:05[IDC]DragonLinusN is lecturing about power drain on iRiver
01:47:17XavierGrgood to know
01:47:37XavierGrthe H300 has a very hard time with power draining
01:47:44[IDC]Dragonwe're pretty sleepy here
01:47:44muesli__Mikachu im not..susi sorglos is just a stupid name of an old german comedian
01:47:53Mikachumuesli__: hehe, okay
01:48:07afruff23_Xavier, what do you mean
01:48:14afruff23_the abttery doesn't last long?
01:48:38Moosaffruff23_: X5 user?
01:48:42XavierGrat least as much as the H300
01:48:52afruff23_I have the X5L 20
01:48:55muesli__Mikachu sorglos= free of problems
01:49:14sharpemidkay... there's like, no options left for the possibility of the packed wps zips through a plugin... it makes me sad :(
01:49:17Mikachuah, it's the same in swedish but with two dots :)
01:49:22Moosaffruff23_: the Cowan firmware apear to be hungry in batterie, let's hope on LinusN and Rockbox for increase this ;-)
01:49:23afruff23_what about you?
01:49:34midkaysharpe, due to the fact that you can't figure out the errors?
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01:49:40sharpedamn straight.
01:49:48Moosaffruff23_: X5 60 gb here (+iriver ihp140 and Ondio)
01:49:49midkaysharpe, hmmm..
01:50:07muesli__Moos really? i thought iaudios are most effective
01:50:11muesli__35h of runtime!?
01:50:15afruff23_the X5 has lots of powersaving options though, doesn't it?
01:50:20Mooswith big batterie yes
01:50:27sharpei get... ~9 hours on my ipod :\
01:50:32afruff23_In reality, you get about 27 hours though
01:50:57Mikachu% lgrep /shot.jpg access.log|cut -f 1 -d \ |sort -u|wc -l
01:51:00sharpewell, at least you know you can trek through the desert for a day while listening to music.
01:51:06Moosmuesli: I preafered to choose storage than batterie
01:51:20midkaysharpe, well.. get LinusN' or Bagder's or amiconn's attention ;)
01:51:24XavierGrI get 25 with my 1900 mah battery on my H160
01:51:47afruff23_It also helps to have a large battery because you know that the wear and tear will not be apparent
01:51:58sharpewell, there are many ways of doing so... however, i think most ways would be illegal in most places, so... asking politely will ensue.
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01:52:14MoosXavierGr: hehe I did forget about your h160 mutant one :)
01:52:27Moosis still alife?
01:52:28afruff23_over time, smaller capacity batteries will have unbearble battery times
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01:52:45XavierGrMoos: Pride owner of it.
01:52:47*muesli__ hands some noodles to needleboy ;)
01:52:55Mooshehe :)
01:53:13*[IDC]Dragon got wlan connect
01:53:19muesli__sorry, that stupid remark was sitting in my mouth for ages ;)
01:53:25Mooswhat time is it at the devconf?
01:53:27*Mikachu hands some needles to noodleboy
01:53:31MikachuMoos: 1:53
01:53:32[IDC]Dragonlets try what happens if I pull the cable
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01:53:43[IDC]Dragonstand by...
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01:54:10Mikachuit workes
01:54:29[IDC]Dragonstill here?
01:54:37XavierGrin flesh?
01:54:39sharpet'would seem so.
01:55:38linuxstbsharpe: I still say to simply add your code to core Rockbox, rather than as a plugin.
01:56:00afruff23_Does anybody know the mA rating of the X5L battery?
01:56:04sharpei was just trying to see if it'd be possible really...
01:56:10Mikachuafruff23_: you mean mAh?
01:56:18sharpethe loading of the .wps with a plugin...
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01:56:42sharpebut, okay, i will try...
01:57:46afruff23_yea mikachu
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01:57:55afruff23_what's the "H" stand for though
01:57:59muesli__btw does the h300 lcd works properly with the last remote patch?
01:58:21[IDC]Dragon_the net survived, but not IRC
01:58:23Mikachuno, mA * hour :)
01:58:30sharpeoh right
01:58:37afruff23_How can I dind this number?
01:58:44sharpesorry, i'm thinking of ratios tonight
01:58:49MikachuYou have: milliampere hour
01:58:50MikachuYou want: ?
01:58:50MikachuC coulomb
01:59:01afruff23_I want maH rating
01:59:08afruff23_the most common rating for battery capacity
01:59:15Mikachumilli atto henry?
01:59:27Mikachusorry :P
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02:10:31Mikachuomg a black nano
02:10:41webguest15whoa, Jörg's table is in danger of being burried under a metric buttload of gadgets
02:10:52Mikachushowcasing the best webcam auto whitelevel ever
02:11:03webguest15not to mention focus
02:11:06sharpehey, lets start making bets on stuff.
02:11:08webguest15Probably not auto
02:11:22MoosLinusN: have you got already something Rockbox runing into your X5 yet, for show us? :-)
02:11:33Mooslike for ipod now
02:13:16Mikachutoo bad you don't have one of those optical dampers we used on our physics labs
02:13:22sharpegah. screw it...
02:13:53Mikachusharpe: i bet no one will bet on anything
02:14:06sharpei know, random idea
02:14:19sharpe'screw it' was towards the packed wps zip idea :)
02:14:34midkaysharpe, nooo..
02:14:46LinusNMoos: it hangs right now :-)
02:14:53LinusNgoing to sleep...
02:14:58midkaynite LinusN
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02:15:05XavierGrgood night all
02:15:43[IDC]Dragongood night with plasma
02:17:06sharpeyou know what'd be funny and useless at the same time?
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02:18:34sharpea compiler for rockbox!
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02:18:43midkayhyaa, that's funny.. hyaaaaaa..
02:18:45webguest15steam-powered rollerblades?
02:18:53MoosGood night at all from Paris too
02:19:01Mikachuyou could probably compile rockbox on ipl if you sat down and waited a while
02:19:08midkaynight Moos
02:19:20sharpeg'night Moos
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02:19:45sharpehmm, lets see what other completely useless ideas i have for rockbox
02:20:52sharpewhat about, rb's own executable format, somewhat like a plugin, however almost all control is transferred to it.
02:22:03sharpei dunno...
02:22:04Mikachuagain, ipl :P
02:22:42sharpei'm bored... kind of sad and depressed for completely unrelated reasons, so i've nothing else to do but think of random things.
02:25:22sharpeso like, blah.
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02:30:15sharpemidkay, any ideas for me to work on but fail to soon after?
02:30:40midkaysharpe, hmm..
02:30:44midkaywell, tea kettle..
02:31:23webguest15tea kettle?
02:31:37midkayturn the ipod into a tea kettle..
02:31:37Mikachusharpe: try implementing conways game of life
02:32:04Mikachui did that on gba, lots of fun
02:32:09webguest15That should be fairly simple and cute
02:32:11webguest15go go go
02:32:51webguest15Alternatively, a teapot demo (cube, except with the 3d teapot)
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02:34:47midkayoh, that too..
02:36:01webguest15make it an easteregg in cube.c
02:36:13webguest15except I've now ruined it, and it's pretty hard to sneak an easteregg past cvs
02:37:02sharpehow about this, playback of one pixel movies?
02:37:43Mikachuyou could probably encode a onepixel movie as a life pattern
02:38:25sharpelets encode the whole functionality of rb into a life pattern, and see if we can get it to work...
02:38:26Mikachuif you take the output as the state of a single life cell
02:38:31Mikachushould be possible :P
02:39:00sharpehow are you?
02:39:05Mikachui'm fine sir
02:39:29sharpehmm... what about...
02:39:36sharpedos for rb?
02:39:56webguest15Pack a small rucksack and leave. Right now. We're coming for you!
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02:41:12sharpei have a pencil...
02:41:41Mikachudon't lick it
02:42:23sharpeit's saint patrick's day still, of course depending on where one lives.
02:42:31Mikachui was thinking about this video i saw earlier today, maybe a bit nsfw,
02:42:49Mikachus/was thinking/came to think of/
02:42:55Mikachua subtle but important difference
02:43:09sharpegod i hate you.
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02:43:37sharpeeverytime i say i hate someone, someone's connection times out!
02:43:45Mikachuoooh, go again
02:44:40sharpei must conserve my powers!
02:45:21sharpeoh noes! that's screaming music...
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02:46:23sharpeit's like happy, only worse.
02:46:45sharpewhat was i going to do...?
02:48:54Mikachui'm not sure, you're a bit unpredictable
02:49:15sharpeyeah, i've noticed that unfortunately
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02:54:32Mikachuheh, the plasma reflection in the table almost looks better than the direct view
02:56:00sharpequick! i need two 60 watt light bulbs,twenty button cell batteries, six hundred plastic cubes, and sixty three pieces of felt!
02:56:18Mikachusee, i would never have guessed that
02:57:02sharpethat's what i'm here for.
02:57:21sharpeto provide that level of unpredictability to rockbox.
02:57:38*preglow returns
02:58:41preglowanything fun?
02:58:51Mikachui think they went to bed
02:58:53preglowdevcon people gone to bed?
02:59:10Mikachuthe webcam is only the plasma plugin on a nano :)
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02:59:52preglowi'd have expected all of them to be in quite a vodka binge by now
02:59:56preglowperhaps they are :>
03:00:09Mikachuit's a conspiracy remember?
03:00:12preglowit is!
03:00:16preglowit's a huge drinking contest
03:00:30preglowand they're drinking away all the donation money
03:00:34preglowlike the good honest people they are
03:00:44preglowand godspeed to them
03:01:36preglowMikachu: you should drop by and do some webcam posing
03:01:51Mikachuheh, it's pretty far to stockholm
03:02:25Mikachuisn't that "balderdash"?
03:02:30preglowi have no idea
03:02:36preglowi've only had it verbally
03:02:39preglowand i'm quite drunk
03:02:40Mikachui think the name of the game was a pun on the word :)
03:02:45Mikachuah, i see :)
03:03:07preglowwhich complicates the matter substantially
03:03:42preglownothing like a nasty misspelling to kick off the night anyway
03:04:59Mikachusure thing
03:06:51preglowwhat device are we watching anyway?
03:07:10Mikachuit looked like a nano with the lights on
03:07:31preglowsomeone time the battery on it!!!!1
03:08:48sharpebut it may be charging...
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03:09:45preglowdidn't tihnk of that
03:10:03sharpequick! lets keep a copy of all of the images, and when it's all over, we'll make a movie!
03:11:20preglowsurely, mikachu is doing that
03:11:23preglowMikachu: aren't you, now
03:11:39Mikachuevery image replaces the old one
03:11:51preglowi can only stand by and see so many possibilites for endless fun be ruined
03:12:12preglowif only i had a 100mbit server still....
03:15:52sharpewhat is databox for?
03:16:24preglowsearching through the song database, afaik
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03:18:10sharpethis is like watching grass grow.
03:18:22Mikachuwith drying paint on it
03:18:58sharpeexcept it's emo grass like in that one quote, and it keeps cutting itself so it will never grow any farther, so it stays the same.
03:18:59Mikachudon't cry over spilled milk until you cross the bridge to get water
03:19:00*preglow gets water
03:19:20sharpewhy not cross half the bridge to get water with a bucket and a rope?
03:19:32Mikachupreglow: k, you can cry over the spilled milk now
03:19:56preglowi can try
03:20:24preglowright now i'm just intent on fighting the hangover so i can attend the birthday party tomorrow, heh
03:20:24Mikachubut remember it won't boil over until you look away
03:21:26*preglow dies from proverb overdose
03:21:32sharpeyes, the laws of physics and thermodynamics can be defied by looking at a pot with almost boiling water.
03:21:53Mikachuyou can't see the forest for all the tries until you cried wolf
03:22:06Mikachuer, trees
03:22:51Mikachui think i've seen the beginning of boondock saints twice but never the whole movie
03:23:14sharpegah, i don't want to go to sleep
03:23:27sharpewait, no
03:23:37sharpei don't want to do what i have to do when i wake up.
03:23:52preglowyou're not missing much
03:24:08Mikachusharpe: what do you have to do?
03:24:21sharpefor three hours
03:24:22Mikachuah, stuff
03:24:26sharpeyes, stuff
03:25:23Mikachusomehow i think the stuff won't go better the longer you stay up
03:25:51sharpemay also have me yelled at
03:26:24sharpeexcept, i don't have to do the stuff until 8am, and it's 9 26 pm here right now
03:26:41Mikachuit's 3:26am here
03:26:58sharpethat's because you're in europe! :)
03:27:10Mikachuyes! i forgot about timezones
03:27:25sharpeyeah, planets have different times.
03:27:35Mikachumost of the people here are in europe
03:27:45sharpei'm not...
03:28:08sharpehowever, i'm sure if you traced my acestory back far enough, it'd be somewhere from europe
03:28:21Mikachuunless you're an indian
03:28:40sharpewhich i'm not
03:28:41Mikachuiirc we all crawled out from under some rock in africa
03:29:13sharpeor we all swam onto land from the ocean
03:29:34Mikachuor planted here by ALIARNS!
03:29:40Mikachuyou never know
03:30:04sharpealiarns... yeah. those bastards.
03:30:42preglowi thought i was the only drunk person here
03:31:08midkaybbiab!!!!!!$@!$@!#$!$@@#% FFF 0x00AFFAE!!!!!
03:31:25Mikachui'm only pretending
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03:31:35preglowi think he was the genuine article
03:31:51Mikachui don't know, he typed the hex address accurately
03:32:00Mikachuor generic number
03:32:03preglowyes, that does not bode well for him personally
03:32:22qwmi want an audio feed!
03:32:26Mikachuwow, ontopic news on slashdot
03:32:36Mikachu"New simulations show that big asteroid impacts on Earth could have sent about 600 million boulders flying into space. About 100 have reached Jupiter's moon Europa - but they landed at 24 miles/sec. 'This must be rather frustrating if you're a bacterium that survived launch from Earth,' says a researcher.
03:32:36preglowMikachu: holy shit"#!¤"#
03:32:44preglowqwm: i can give you an audio feed
03:32:54sharpekind of...
03:33:09preglowit's slashdot....
03:34:17preglowdo not read slashdot
03:34:27Mikachui only have the rss on my google page for fun
03:34:36preglowyou'll catch the idiot measles
03:35:00preglowi'll kill whoever corrects my typing
03:35:23*Mikachu tries to take over someones irc session to correct preglows splelign
03:37:17preglowthe plasma plugin captures have kept me entertained for 30 minutes, but i only go so far
03:37:21preglowtime for bed
03:37:30sharpebye bye preglow
03:37:46preglowyes, now i start to misspell
03:38:03Mikachupreglow: good night :)
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03:46:30XavierGrlol you guys are funny
03:46:43XavierGrBut as preglow did, I will hit the sack
03:46:52Mikachuwhat did it do to you? :(
03:47:23XavierGrSupposedly, I have to wake up at 9.00 and it is 4.49 here
03:47:34XavierGrLol? You mean the sack?
03:48:07XavierGrwell I will hit it as hard as I can. I will sleep as hard as I can, that's for sure.
03:48:19XavierGrnighty night....
03:48:21sharpeif you hit it too hard, it can sue
03:48:50XavierGrI just hope that it won't fight back.
03:48:53sharpefor abuse
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04:44:52voltagexeven with the m68k compiler I get "Incompatible model" when i try to run a hello world program on my iriver h340
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04:45:10voltagexhi paul
04:46:39voltagexany ideas on why a program compiled with the m68k gcc still won't run on my iriver?
04:47:27Paul_The_NerdHow are you loading it?
04:47:51Mikachuvoltagex: did you recompile everything and install?
04:48:25voltagexPaul_The_Nerd: renaming a.out to helloworld.rock
04:48:35Mikachuthat won't work
04:48:42Mikachu.rock files are a flat binary format i think
04:48:49voltagexMikachu: running the daily build of rockbox from a few days back
04:48:50Mikachua.out has all the elf headers
04:49:07Mikachuthe build systems does all sorts of funny things to the binaries before they are .rock
04:49:15Mikachuso that's why it doesn't work
04:49:20voltagexMikachu: so how do I get it to run?
04:49:28Paul_The_Nerdvoltagex: If you want to use it as a .rock, you have to compile it as an actual plugin. Your best bet is taking helloworld.c and modifying its contents.
04:49:49Mikachuvoltagex: is it a rockbox plugin at all?
04:49:57voltagexPaul_The_Nerd: what do you mean, if you'll excuse my noobness
04:50:03voltagexMikachu: no
04:50:09Mikachuthen it won't run under rockbox..
04:51:33Paul_The_Nerdvoltagex: If you look in /apps/plugins you should see helloworld.c, if I recall. (In the sources.) Modify that to be your program, then rename it to whatever.c, and add it to the SOURCES file in /apps/plugins, and compile a whole build of rockbox, and you should end up with whatever.rock
04:52:35voltagexok, where are the instructions on how to build rockbox because the make program on this box defaults to x86 gcc...
04:53:38Paul_The_Nerdvoltagex: create a build directory, then from that directory run the configure script in the tools subdirectory. (For example, if your source is in rockbox, and you make /rockbox/build as your build dir, in it type ../tools/configure)
04:53:56voltagexok thanks
04:54:22Mikachumake doesn't default to anything
04:54:25Paul_The_NerdThen, pick your target of choice (9 or 10 for the m68k irivers h120/40 and h320/40 respectively) and then when you type Make in that directory, it'll build it with the appropriate GCC assuming it's in the path.
04:54:33Mikachuif you run configure, the makefile it creates will tell make what to run
04:54:57voltagexok thanks, rebooting into linux
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05:35:24ashridahyou murderer! that silence was so beautiful! :(
05:36:19Mikachunow we have to wait for a new one
05:36:21*dpassen1 hopes you intend to repair the silence
05:37:05*BHSPitMonkey strikes again
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05:37:23BHSPitMonkeythat's a beautiful shot of devcon, by the way
05:38:21*BHSPitMonkey laughs evilly while using Mikachu's bandwidth
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05:39:16MikachuBHSPitMonkey: go ahead and try to saturate it..
05:39:36*BHSPitMonkey just watches plasma...
05:39:50BHSPitMonkeyI can't even tell which player that is
05:39:55Mikachui can watch it without using ANY addition bandwidth!!!1
05:40:03Mikachuit's a black nano so it would be hard to see :)
05:40:29Mikachuif it was a white nano it would find songs, but black nanos steal songs
05:40:53BHSPitMonkey...technological racism.
05:47:22*[IDC]Dragon flexes
05:47:46*BHSPitMonkey not impressed
05:48:47[IDC]Dragonthere's a secres here: LinusN is snoring
05:48:54[IDC]Dragon secret
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05:54:49aaronfgTrying to compile the sim again, but i'm getting an error when i run MAKE:
05:54:51aaronfg]pacbox: No such file or directory
05:55:58aaronfganyone have any ideas?
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06:21:44bagawkWhos screen do I see from devcon live?
06:22:03Mikachutry nicks until it hilights
06:22:56bagawk[IDC]Dragon: hey there :) have not talked to you in many months
06:24:22BHSPitMonkeycool, I'm on TV!
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06:28:21bagawk[IDC]Dragon: You know, you (and other rockbox people) have really taught me a lot, now I am programming robots and developing web apps all startin with me learning experiance from rockbox
06:28:47bagawk*my learning experiance
06:30:01Mikachuturning scottish?
06:30:40bagawkMikachu: maybe not scottish, but hey it Saint Patrick's Day ;)
06:32:15BHSPitMonkeyireland != scotland
06:33:01bagawkBHSPitMonkey: what? You can't see a Irishman saying 'me'?
06:33:25Mikachuactually anyone from great britain could probably say 'me'
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06:37:12charley1mad props to the devs. i would like to know if it would be possible to use the radio remote as an input for the rockboy. it would be great to set it as the controller.
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06:38:18[IDC]Dragonbagawk: sorry, i tried a bit more sleep (didn't work)
06:38:23BHSPitMonkeya silouette
06:38:29BHSPitMonkey[IDC]Dragon: :P
06:38:46[IDC]Dragonthis cam is in my way
06:38:58BHSPitMonkeyput it in a general overseeing position
06:39:11[IDC]Dragonon my notebook keyboard
06:39:30[IDC]Dragonthe cam is very difficult to focus
06:40:01BHSPitMonkeyumm... it's built into the laptop?
06:40:31charley1can an ipod remote be set up as an input for the rockboy?
06:40:36BHSPitMonkeyis anyone else there?
06:40:57[IDC]Dragonsee LinusN sleeping behind the pool table?
06:41:09BHSPitMonkeyyeah lol
06:41:15charley1can anyone hear(see)me?
06:41:22BHSPitMonkeylooks... weird.
06:41:22[IDC]Dragoneverybody's sleeping
06:41:29[IDC]Dragonbesides me
06:41:32BHSPitMonkeycharley1: try it, if it doesn't work, then no.
06:41:40bagawkOhh now that is funny
06:41:45BHSPitMonkey[IDC]Dragon: give us a tour!
06:41:58[IDC]Dragonthe cam is wired
06:42:01BHSPitMonkeywalk veeery slowly.
06:42:08BHSPitMonkey[IDC]Dragon: to a laptop?
06:42:52[IDC]Dragonno, to some desktop
06:42:52charley1i did try it doesn't work right now i'm curious as to how to add this functionality
06:43:38charley1sorry if i'm in the wrong place should i just post to the forum
06:45:54[IDC]Dragonthis is Contactor work area
06:46:24[IDC]Dragonto the left of our "section"
06:46:56[IDC]Dragonsleeping is to the right, 180 degrees
06:48:18BHSPitMonkeyahh, it's jabba the hut's neck
06:48:34[IDC]Dragonturned it 180 deg now
06:49:06[IDC]Dragonin front is Christi's dev zone
06:50:05*[IDC]Dragon can't sleep with daylight
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06:50:26[IDC]Dragoni need shutters, curtains
06:50:28BHSPitMonkeyso it's just a big nerd slumber party over there, huh
06:50:36BHSPitMonkeylinus is stirring!
06:50:57[IDC]Dragonoh, yes, he turned
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06:52:13[IDC]DragonChristi is downstairs, don't hope for a peep into the ladies dorm
06:52:26BHSPitMonkeywasn't :P
06:52:38BHSPitMonkeyhow long is this converence?
06:52:43BHSPitMonkeyconference, even
06:52:49[IDC]Dragontil tomorrow
06:53:07BHSPitMonkeyoh, I see
06:53:39BHSPitMonkeyso any cool stuff happened, or is it a secret :P
06:53:52[IDC]DragonI came last
06:54:01[IDC]Dragonso I know least
06:54:05BHSPitMonkeyI see.
06:54:32[IDC]Dragonamiconn worked on optimized iriver ATA read
06:54:52[IDC]DragonLiusN on the iAudio
06:55:11[IDC]DragonI'm undecided on what to do
06:55:55[IDC]Dragontake a shower, perhaps
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07:58:28midkayewww.. something really ugly is on the cam..
07:58:30midkayjk ;)
07:59:24midkayoh my god, it's hideous..
08:01:03bagawkhey midkay
08:09:15qwmNO NO NO.
08:09:17qwmdon't move the camera.
08:09:20qwmit was PERFECT.
08:09:33muesli__u stalker ;-p
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08:10:31muesli__whos that lady?
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08:10:44midkayoh my god, what is this, what the hell is this, it's hideous.
08:12:08midkayif anything you should move the cam back a bit.. so everybody fits.. currently christi and brandon are cut off, i think.
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08:14:54muesli__where r they :>
08:15:20qwmmuesli__: somewhere in the third world country sweden.
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08:15:33midkaylostlogic, let's see your face!!! :)
08:16:32muesli__qwm i meant brandon&christi in private ;)
08:16:46midkaymuesli__, haha.
08:16:47*omp accidently deleted the iPod_Control folder :o
08:16:52ompnow i can't mount it :/
08:17:05muesli__use a brommstick :D
08:17:07ompneither in linux nor windows
08:17:19midkayomp, what about the restore tool?
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08:17:36ompwell, i need to mount it in order to use that
08:17:43omphopefully i still have the ipod backups from
08:17:44midkayomp, you sure?..
08:17:45ompwhen i installed ipodlinux
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08:19:00BHSPitLappyooh weird, stuff is actually happening :P
08:19:07omphey BHSPitLappy :)
08:19:08midkayho ho ho..
08:19:26ompmidkay: well, that's sort of a problem if the ipod won't turn on ;)
08:19:33*omp can probably figure out a way to get out of this
08:19:35midkayomp, disk mode?
08:19:39ompwill take some thinking though :o
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08:19:54midkayreboot.. hold select+play to enter disk mode..
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08:20:30ompit was menu/select
08:20:34ompand it actually worked
08:20:47ompmidkay: thanks
08:20:59midkayomp, what?
08:21:06midkaymenu/select is to reboot..
08:21:08ompit was menu & select
08:21:15ompwell it worked
08:21:22midkayhm. alright.
08:21:23midkaynp. :)
08:21:34ompyeah thanks :)
08:21:52ompprobably just got stuck or something
08:22:04*omp 's nano has been through a lot of crap
08:22:14ompi even got it to the point where neither linux nor windows couldn't mount it
08:22:17ompbad superblocks
08:25:04omprockbox is a lot better than ipodlinux IMO
08:25:17midkayomp, instant agreement! :)
08:25:27muesli__btw wth are they doing @8:30am
08:25:59omponly one downside to rockbox
08:26:01muesli__i woke up cos i couldnt sleep anymore..but i woulndt do that if i mustnt
08:26:04ompyou have to install from windows :o
08:26:18*omp used his mom's laptop to install it, heh
08:26:21BHSPitLappyomp: they're different projects. apples and oranges.
08:26:30BHSPitLappydifferent goals.
08:26:33midkayomp, no you don't, there are linux instructions..
08:26:44BHSPitLappytrue dat
08:26:44ompif only i seen them sooner
08:27:05BHSPitLappyit's just like installing iPL... except without the partitioning, and a different bootloader...
08:27:12midkayBHSPitLappy, they're semi-different, but what is the "goal" of iPL then?
08:27:30BHSPitLappynot to be a superior music playing system.
08:27:37ompi like iPL but it's just too unstable for me to use right now
08:27:48midkayBHSPitLappy, so it doesn't have a goal, it just doesn't want to be good at playing music?
08:28:03BHSPitLappymidkay: playback is the point of rockbox... playback is a -feature- of linux
08:28:14BHSPitLappylinux is an OS... look into it.
08:28:16midkayBHSPitLappy, so what is the −−point−− of ipodlinux?
08:28:23midkayi asked you that and you simply said what the goal wasn't.
08:28:26midkaywhat _IS_ the goal?
08:28:35BHSPitLappy[BHSPitLappy] linux is an OS... look into it.
08:28:49ompmidkay: looks like it's only windows and mac os x
08:28:53midkayBHSPitLappy, to "run linux"? last i checked it's been running for years. so what are they doing now?
08:29:18BHSPitLappymaking it better, and keeping up with the new technology?
08:29:32BHSPitLappyand constantly trying to RE the portal player stuff?
08:29:35midkayBHSPitLappy, in what way? it runs, goal accomplished. what needs to be better about it?
08:29:38ompmidkay: oh hmm
08:29:42ompmidkay: they should add that link there
08:29:51midkayomp, from IpodPort there's a link..
08:29:52BHSPitLappymidkay: it's nowhere close to being what a lot of people want it to be.
08:30:04midkayBHSPitLappy, here we are again - _what_ do people _want_ it to _be_?
08:30:14*BHSPitLappy explodes
08:30:25midkaybecause he can't answer.. :
08:30:29BHSPitLappythat's an absurd question, and you know it.
08:30:37*omp just wanted support for about half of his music collection, and that's what i get with rockbox
08:30:40omp(ogg vorbis)
08:30:46BHSPitLappyhow can I answer a question of what each person wants to do with their hardware?
08:30:58ompeasy answer
08:31:01ompinstall gentoo on it :D
08:31:04midkayBHSPitLappy, you can't answer because the goals are the same and you don't want to admit that iPL is simply not getting there as quickly ;)
08:31:12midkayomp, :)
08:31:27BHSPitLappymidkay: why are you telling me this??
08:31:38midkayBHSPitLappy, because you can't accept it.
08:31:38ompcan't we all just get along?
08:31:47BHSPitLappythe "different projects, different goals" line came from the devs of both projects, so suck it
08:32:02BHSPitLappydon't shoot the fscking messenger
08:32:05midkayBHSPitLappy, i know you'd really love me to suck it, but i'd prefer not, sorry..
08:33:10ompso, any of you try Xgl yet?
08:33:37BHSPitLappygah... this is what it must be like to have a conversation with an infant who can speak english well
08:33:47midkayomp, xgl?
08:34:06BHSPitLappyomp: meh, time doesn't really permit
08:34:17BHSPitLappytoo lazy to make it work
08:34:47ompmidkay: let me show you a screenshot i took about 2 weeks ago
08:35:05midkayah, right.
08:35:16omppretty cool
08:35:19midkaylooks pretty nice..
08:35:20ompand easy to set up in gentoo
08:35:26ompprovided you have a nvidia card ;)
08:38:10*omp is running out of room on his nano :(
08:38:18omp(now that i can put my oggs on it)
08:38:28muesli__get a macro :D
08:39:34omphopefully my current music collection would fit on it
08:40:11ompi'm beginning to doubt it though
08:42:36muesli__if ur in danger or in doubt run in circles scream and shout :o
08:43:12omphas a nice ring to it
08:43:58ompmy headphones are like 5000 times the size of my nano
08:44:01omp(sennheiser) :D
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08:46:14muesli__amiconn gimme a wave pls :D
08:46:40midkayif only he were there.. :)
08:46:56muesli__got lost ;)
08:47:03muesli__mayb finding logic...
08:47:15midkayha. lostlogic. get it?
08:47:19midkaylogic is lost.
08:47:24midkayamiconn is finding lost logic.
08:48:33ompthe room is empty :o
08:48:53muesli__they r having a secret party over there
08:49:07amiconnmorning :)
08:49:12ompthey are back :)
08:49:15omphello amiconn
08:49:18midkayamiconn, WAVE!! :)
08:49:42BHSPitLappynice wave
08:50:09BHSPitLappywhat the
08:50:10midkayamiconn, let's see "grayscale" in sign language..
08:50:15ompwhat's that white thing :)
08:50:33BHSPitLappysilly string?
08:50:46[IDC]Dragonyes, a network cable
08:50:50amiconnmore stable than wlan
08:50:52BHSPitLappycat5 is the nerd's silly string :P
08:51:03amiconn...and faster :)
08:51:03[IDC]Dragontoo short to route it away
08:51:11BHSPitLappysoon you
08:51:18BHSPitLappy will be able to get it in can form...
08:52:17BHSPitLappythat's an impressive pile of mp3 bricks
08:52:55muesli__they must have played brickmania ;)
08:53:55midkayamiconn, why don't you get up and dance for us? :(
08:54:15amiconnErm, 'cause I prefer coding? ;)
08:54:19midkaywe're all staring at you intently.
08:54:21bagawkamiconn: quick place a whoopi cushion under [IDC]Dragon's seat!
08:54:47midkayhaha. he's looking in his cup.
08:55:03midkaye.g. "did someone pee in this? eww."
08:55:09midkaypoor amiconn. :(
08:55:26muesli__nope..he is looking into the future u n00bs ;)
08:56:08midkayinto the future, watching linus pee in his coffee in the past.
08:56:34muesli__guess thats not a swinger club
08:58:59qwmamiconn: whose is the bag of chips?
09:00:04qwmamiconn: could you show midkay the bag of chips.
09:00:40midkayamiconn, yes, please could you hold them up to the camera. the ones on linus' desk.
09:01:07amiconnIt's on the far left of his table
09:01:15midkaywe need to see them closer.
09:03:11midkayamiconn, we're debating about the brand and flavor. can't you just SHOW US THE CHIPS. :(
09:03:31midkaySHOW US THE CHIPS!!
09:04:14midkayamiconn, hahaha, thank you. :)
09:04:35qwmyeah. thanks indeed. i was wrong about the flavor.
09:04:47midkayi was right btw!!
09:04:48midkayin a way.
09:04:56midkaynot originally; i thought they were doritos at first.
09:05:03qwmyou've never even tasted estrella chips you little rat.
09:05:41muesli__chips are chicks stuff :p
09:07:51BHSPitLappythey're doritos
09:08:49midkayBHSPitLappy, incorrectomundo!
09:08:57BHSPitLappymidkay: they -were- doritos
09:09:24midkayBHSPitLappy, ah, they morphed into pisaschitt estrella ones.
09:09:42BHSPitLappylike the earth -was- flat
09:10:31amiconnwhen was that?
09:11:16midkaytwenty kajillion years ago.
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09:41:06linuxstbMorning all. Nothing interesting going on in Big Brother I see...
09:45:36midkaymorning linuxstb
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09:58:41[IDC]Dragonwe returned from breakfast
09:59:01midkaywb :)
09:59:14lostlogic*rubs belly*
09:59:37midkaylostlogic, dance for us.
09:59:39midkaysomebody DANCE.
10:00:08[IDC]Dragonwe're bitching about the users not *hearing* us
10:00:19midkayhaha. we want an audio feed!
10:00:21midkaythat'd be cool actually.
10:01:22CassandraNow we're bitching about aircon.
10:02:21[IDC]Dragonnext we're bitching about Christi ;-)
10:02:24midkaygo back to bitching about an audio feed pls.
10:03:46safetydanSo when does voting beging to vote someone out of the devcon?
10:04:17ashridah"if you'd like to vote for Linus, press 1 now!"
10:04:32qwmgosh. how funny!
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10:04:56midkaybtw. who can tell me what the hell is the deal with those red deformed chairs?
10:05:19Bgeroh, morning Linus & amiconn:)
10:05:33safetydanah qwm. your interjections never cease to amuse
10:06:26linuxstb[IDC]Dragon: How did the hard disk surgery go last night?
10:07:10qwmno, i like everyone else.
10:07:10[IDC]Dragonthe disk is toast
10:07:40[IDC]DragonChristi thought it's alive, but it wasn't
10:07:55linuxstbAh, so she had a disk without a player?
10:08:07[IDC]Dragona broken player with a disk
10:08:17[IDC]Dragonwhich we transplanted
10:08:25linuxstbBut as it turns out, a broken player with a broken disk... :(
10:08:41[IDC]Dragonnow, I donated her a complete player with disk
10:09:03linuxstbClever trick from Christi :)
10:09:10CassandraI think that players must kill disks or something. Brandon's disk has also died.
10:10:12[IDC]Dragonsomebody, give me his notebook drive
10:12:18BHSPitLappydon't copy that floppy!
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10:14:00*BHSPitLappy thinks they're having a halo lan party, unbeknownst to us
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10:15:15[IDC]DragonZagor is cranking up the woofer
10:15:47[IDC]Dragonplaying us some floorfiller techno
10:16:49BHSPitLappyyou're on the rounded table, right
10:17:19midkayBHSPitLappy, um, look down. there's actually a picture with labels showing the location of people.
10:17:34BHSPitLappy"Of course everybody moves around, but this is the current seat allocation: "
10:17:42midkaythat is indeed the current seat allocations.
10:18:22midkaymoves around as in maybe gets up and walks around. but that's where their laptops/PCs are, so that's their seat.. why would they switch?
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10:18:54BHSPitLappylooks like they're demonstrating those legs of theirs now.
10:19:03midkayBHSPitLappy, good job
10:19:25hubbeloki.. i'm going to the devcon soon.. if i actually find the place, how do i get in? any phone number to call?
10:19:27linuxstbBagder: Is there anything up with the build system? I just committed some pacbox patches, but it isn't building...
10:19:29safetydanReally need to have a caption contest.
10:19:56linuxstbBagder: False alarm, it just started...
10:20:04BHSPitLappysafetydan: ha
10:20:14linuxstbBagder: Have you changed the frequency of the builds?
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10:24:22BHSPitLappyare the cam frames stored somewhere, or are they candles in the wind
10:25:08Zagorlike tears in rain
10:25:33Zagorbut of course we could change that
10:25:39BHSPitLappynah, too late really
10:25:51BHSPitLappyI was thinking of a cool time lapse video after it's over
10:25:52ZagorI'll make a little job to save every 10 minutes
10:26:06Zagorah, needs a bit more frequency then
10:26:12BHSPitLappylike every one :P
10:26:18Zagordo you know any software to make such timelapse videos?
10:26:34BHSPitLappyanything that will assemble frames
10:26:41ZagorI recorded every 10 minutes for a *year* out the window of my last apartment
10:26:44[IDC]Dragonnow Zagor plays us some mellow trance
10:26:49BHSPitLappycan't be difficult
10:27:11BHSPitLappyZagor: that's some crazy disk storage devotion
10:28:02BHSPitLappyan actual live a/v stream would rule :P
10:28:15Zagor(I'm playing the "Groove Salad" radio channel, i felt "Tags Trance" was a bit too busy for background music)
10:28:30midkayZagor, we want audio :)
10:28:44[IDC]Dragonjust give them the URL
10:29:00midkaynot for that.. :)
10:29:14[IDC]Dragonso, you've got our audio
10:29:26Zagorwe don't talk anyway. we're on irc :-)
10:29:41Bger haha
10:29:48lostlogicwe laugh occasionally... and Linus purrs... :-\
10:30:04[IDC]Dragonno, amiconn did
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10:33:58[IDC]Dragon1st step to developing something
10:34:22hubbelZagor: I'm coming to the Devcon.. Do I need any phone number to get in to the building?
10:37:05[IDC]Dragonquick! everydody hide!
10:37:20[IDC]Dragon everyBody
10:38:00Zagorhubbel: did you get my msg?
10:38:02hubbelZagor: thanks
10:39:59[IDC]DragonBagder arrived
10:40:09lostlogicCassandra: has the specs including mention of the RAM size
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10:41:49BHSPitLappyB4gder takes the throne
10:41:55B4gdergoooood morning
10:42:12BHSPitLappytoo good for a freaky red chair? :P
10:42:24Zagorthe red chairs are awesome
10:42:26B4gderthey scare me
10:42:27*[IDC]Dragon takes a different chair
10:42:32markunmorning guys
10:42:55B4gdernow I'll host my edited agenda somewhere...
10:43:10ZagorB4gder: wiki perhaps?
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10:43:35[IDC]DragonI can hold it up to the cam
10:43:55Zagorgood. that's your task for the day :-)
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10:54:03linuxstblostlogic: I wasn't aware that it was possible.
10:57:57[IDC]Dragonnow we're about to get serious
10:58:07[IDC]Dragonwith slides on the projector
10:58:17[IDC]Dragonagenda and stuff
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11:10:32[IDC]Dragonmysterious Mr. hubbel arrived
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11:14:57LinusNactually, it was kjell
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11:17:40[IDC]Dragonhubbel is Kjell?
11:18:05Zagorthe plot thickens...
11:18:21[IDC]Dragonfrom the early Archos days I did'nt whitness
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11:18:49Zagorkjell is actually "kjer", who wrote the latin-1 code for the archos players. way back.
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11:19:16Zagorhe's not very active in rockbox these days
11:19:29[IDC]Dragonlike me...
11:19:31MoosHello here
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11:21:38lostlogiclinuxstb: dunno either −− someone seems to apply that thi sis the case in the ipod firmware
11:22:26lostlogiclinuxstb: I think I'm going to pass high delta, lowword = location as the event data for wheel events so that plugins can do custom button processing if thye want to, thoughts on that?
11:22:39lostlogichighword=delta that is
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11:38:45linuxstblostlogic: I was just looking at Mikachu's wheel_status() patch - have you seen that?
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11:53:19safetydanwoah... 40% read speed increase?
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11:59:48Papricasafetydan, what happened with the wps parser?
12:01:12safetydanPaprica, didn't get any feedback and haven't had time to work on it some more
12:05:16Papricais it working?
12:08:51MikachuZagor: it's pretty easy to convert images into a movie with mencoder
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12:25:09safetydanPaprica, no, it's only partially complete
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12:45:00[IDC]Dragoncoffee break
12:45:30t0masyou all returned
12:45:32[IDC]Dragonunfortunately we don't have the cam in the meeting room
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12:47:04[IDC]Dragonso far we've covered 3 of the bottom items:
12:47:21[IDC]Dragonportability, button hell, menuconfig
12:47:37t0masah, how was menuconfig?
12:48:16t0masI sort of got B4gder to talk about it, after a discussion with amiconn about it's usefulness...
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12:49:59Mikachuwow, my log went from 800kB yesterday to 61M today
12:51:40muesli__suspicious! ;)
12:52:16[IDC]Dragonmenuconfig is pretty much dropped
12:52:29[IDC]Dragonwill stay like config
12:53:02t0maswho's the guy next to you?
12:53:02*[IDC]Dragon grabs a drink
12:53:18muesli__xxx @devcon? ;)
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12:55:17t0masmuesli__: I hope that's not why they're now out of camera range ;)
12:55:30muesli__busy christi ;-))
12:55:54*t0mas doesn't really want to think about it...
12:56:02t0mas*change of subject*
12:56:10muesli__so does muesli__
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13:07:51Genre9mp3Hi to all! Just a quick question...I've made a colour wps for H300 and now am working on different colour themes based on my wps. I'd like to create a Rockbox theme. So, is it ok to use Rockbox colours and logo? Thanks...
13:09:08t0masI think as long as you don't name it "Rockbox theme" it is ok
13:09:17t0masjust name it something like: RbLogo
13:09:40t0masbut hey... I'm not the rockbox logo owner, so you might want to ask Bagder, Zagor or LinusN first
13:10:18Genre9mp3What about iCatcher-Rockbox.wps (iCatcher is my wps name) Would be a problem?
13:10:38t0masI think it's ok
13:10:52t0masyou can ofcourse just use the name... and if someone has a problem with it just change it
13:11:05Genre9mp3ok....thank you very much.
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13:19:33nudelone day the iPod will be able to control your entire life and beam interactive games into your brain directly... and it STILL won't play music without adding gaps.
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13:21:58[IDC]Dragonnow we're heading for lunch
13:22:15[IDC]Dragonsorry that the actual work isn't really visible
13:22:40nudelso long as i get 75 hours' battery life on Monday morning that's okay :-) :-)
13:23:02[IDC]Dragonthe new guy is hubble (the real one, not Kjell)
13:23:30[IDC]DragonI thought ther're the same, but it turns out they aren't
13:24:04crashdget back to work!
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13:26:04[IDC]Dragonit's a business lunch
13:26:31MoosHave a good lunch at all !
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13:27:38Lynx_omg, naked people at the devcon ;)
13:28:10Lynx_well, shirtless
13:28:28MoosReally TV show XD
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13:31:16*Moos goies to lunch too
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13:49:58XavierGrSo menu-configuration is out of the discussion? That is very dissapointing. I hoped that we will have a chance to make our own prefered menus, sometime in the future. :(
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13:55:34safetydanXavierGr, I think they were talking about a menu to configure what parts of Rockbox were built
13:55:51safetydanSo you could have a custom build that didnt have... plugin support or something.
13:56:29XavierGrah completely misunderstood then
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14:09:59LearAnyone having playback problems with a bleeding edge build on iRiver?
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14:11:57LearI keep getting I80 at track ends, it seems. Making a full rebuild, to see if that makes a difference...
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14:13:50XavierGrhey the live camera at devcon stopped!
14:14:02XavierGrops no it is up again
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14:18:53Mikachuwoot, Paprica, "You have finished the game", 21474 points on brickmania :)
14:19:13Papricahihi =] nice
14:19:53Mikachuone thing that strikes me is that you really get a lot of life powerups
14:20:05muesli__Paprica btw...ive read somewhere in the changelog about a countdown bonus
14:20:08Mikachui was up to 7, down to 0, and up again maybe 3 times during the game
14:20:26muesli__i had 26 once upon a time ;)
14:20:30Papricathe powerup choose is randomly
14:20:55XavierGrMikachu try to beat it on an H100
14:21:06safetydanLear, it works fine for me here on my H120
14:21:23MikachuXavierGr: hehe
14:21:30MikachuPaprica: yeah but maybe it should be weighted
14:21:42LearWell, just made a full rebuild, lets see if that's any better...
14:22:19muesli__Paprica how do you think about a real time bonus? as fast as u finish up a level the more points u get. atm you can get points by picking up power ups (glue suxx ;-) ) only
14:22:26PapricaMikachu, im working on somthing else now, could you do that?
14:23:16Papricamuesli__, could be nice
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14:26:40muesli__and rather using play+rec for steering ;)
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14:32:22Lynx_Mikachu: did you exceed your bandwidth limit? ;)
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14:46:38MikachuLynx_: hm?
14:46:50Mikachunot my fault
14:46:53Lynx_Mikachu: the webcam pic is gone
14:47:11Mikachuthey're uploading 0-byte files now
14:47:12[IDC]DragonBagder is looking at it
14:47:24Lynx_ok :)
14:47:33[IDC]Dragonthe script is dead
14:50:32[IDC]DragonZagor is changing clothes in front of the cam
14:50:40[IDC]Dragongood thing it's offline
14:51:13[IDC]Dragonnow he's properly dressed with a Rockbox tshirt
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14:52:07[IDC]Dragoncam is back
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14:54:35Zagorthe crappy webcam software leaks memory like silly
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14:56:49Lynx_Zagor: win or linux?
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14:57:36Mongeylol Nice setup
14:57:39B4gderthe webcam sits on a windows machine, running a creative program for doing the shots
14:57:43LearGah, crash again...
14:58:13Mongeywhos sitting at the back?
14:58:19Lynx_B4gder: works for me, and its free
14:58:40[IDC]DragonMongey: hubbel, a new participant
14:59:12MongeyAnyone want to give me a wave?
14:59:39muesli__why do almost6 all of you wearing blue shirts?
15:00:03lostlogicmuesli__: ... they're rockbox polos... ...
15:00:25B4gdershirt show
15:01:07muesli__we wanna c a rockbox wet shirt competetion ;-)
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15:01:18B4gderusing beer too, right? ;-)
15:01:20[IDC]Dragonno, you don't
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15:01:56Lynx_we already had zagor with his shirt off before lunch, that's enough show for today ;)
15:02:21Mongeywheres Linus?
15:02:43LearSo, how come I get a crash at the hdr->entry_point() call in codecs.c (IBC)?
15:02:44Mongeyoh i see
15:03:00LearRunning bleeding edge on an H140...
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15:06:28FebsSo for those of you at the conference, when does the roundtable discussion on Rockbox's real name policy begin? ;)
15:06:32*Febs Runs away.
15:07:53CassandraI think it's scheduled for Monday.
15:08:38Mikachuthis last person's arrival isn't listed on the devcon page
15:08:49muesli__Cassandra where r u hiding?
15:09:03muesli__or do you pretend to be linus?
15:09:34[IDC]DragonCassandra is hiding behind a big monitor
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15:12:21crashd morning kids
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15:19:55[IDC]Dragonhey, look, I made then do _this_
15:20:01[IDC]Dragon them
15:20:53Mongeythat has made my day
15:21:00preglowbagder's being quite the enthusiast
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15:21:58egotrippeni'm getting an error compiling the latest bleeding edge build on H300
15:22:51egotrippeni think it has to do with the gwps.h file, where i have a little patch applied changing a keybinding
15:23:01egotrippenhow would i know if that's the problem or not?
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15:23:43lostlogicpreglow: what do you think about giving applications a way to request that the button driver send all scroll events using a BUTTON_SCROLL_TOUCH (all that it can without queuing that is)?
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15:25:10preglowwhat'd be the meaning of that, exactly?
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15:26:09lostlogicpreglow: that the wheel was touched, this would be used in conjunction with sending location and delta information as the event data (hiword, loword) by an application wishing to do specialized wheel control
15:27:04preglowsounds good, but how do we prevent the good old event flood? steadily update an event until it's been removed from the queue or something?
15:27:07Mikachuisn't enough that the app just get the current position in the event loop?
15:28:07lostlogicpreglow: the button driver won't do any processing on the event if the queue is full, and then will report the full delta which occurred between the last time it could post an event nad this time
15:28:56lostlogicMikachu: why have both the app and the button driver do delta calculations and wrap-around cases?
15:29:21preglowlostlogic: yeah, that sounds good
15:29:26Mikachuthe button driver could stop doing it when not sending events
15:29:43lostlogicMikachu: not following
15:32:35Mikachuoh, you mean code duplication
15:32:43Mikachunot runtime
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15:33:31lostlogicMikachu: both
15:34:02Learamiconn: asm ata read doesn't seem stable on my H140.
15:34:22LearNo crash yet after disabling it at least, but I haven't tried it that much...
15:34:32amiconnWhat happened?
15:35:21LearCrashes, often when swapping codecs (the actual jump to the codec, I think).
15:35:44LearAlso, sometimes playback stops at the beginning of a track.
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15:35:50amiconnThat's indeed strange
15:36:08LearChecked the address of one crash, pointed to the instruction right after the jump, btw.
15:36:11amiconnI did a pretty large write-amd-read-back comparision run
15:36:57amiconn300MB, no single bit error. Pseudo-random data
15:37:02amiconnThat was on H300, btw
15:37:18amiconnPerhaps I shoul dtry that on H1x0
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15:38:46B4gderok, now each build log shows on which server the built was made on
15:38:51[IDC]DragonChristi passed out...
15:39:01elinenbewish I was there... good luck guys!
15:39:06B4gdershould be useful in case of weirdnesses
15:39:19elinenbealthough I would be more of a cheer-leader!
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15:39:39elinenbeI like the shirts.
15:40:05Learamiconn: could be that I've only had problems on codec swaps, but I forced a couple now, and they worked fine (with C ata read).
15:40:53elinenbewhat's next on the schdule?
15:42:09B4gdergoing back to the talks soon
15:42:55B4gderI think "release" has been mentioned for topic
15:43:02B4gderscary enough
15:43:13t0maseverybody is back on cam
15:43:34B4gderwhen we're all on cam you know we don't do anyhing useful...
15:43:37*t0mas watched this morning... nobody
15:43:56preglowwho's the guy in the back?
15:44:00*t0mas still wonders who lostlogic and Cassandra are
15:44:44Zagorpreglow: hubbel
15:44:52preglowZagor: realname?
15:45:10Zagorumm, Andreas... something. introduce yourself hubbel :-)
15:45:31t0mashm? he wasn't on "the list"?
15:45:46Zagorno he's a surprise guest :-)
15:45:51webguest28What does pcmbufdesc mean in the audio thread debug menu?
15:46:00Mikachucan we vote people out of the devcon?
15:46:10t0maslike bigbrother
15:46:16preglowthere are too few criminals in there for this to be fun
15:46:24lostlogicwebguest28: it's a count of the number of buffer descriptors that are currently used
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15:46:56lostlogict0mas: I'm on cam now...
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15:47:17t0masis christi sleeping?
15:47:26lostlogicresting her eyes she says
15:48:10webguest28Hrm, improved ata read should translate to increased battery time \o/
15:48:37*amiconn is messing with the ata timing atm
15:48:49amiconnIt seems it's good for another +35%
15:48:56Learif it works, yes... :)
15:49:03amiconn(if it's running stable that is)
15:49:08webguest28What, +75% from the original?
15:49:19Lynx_would that impact usb transfer speed?
15:49:24webguest28or rather, -75%
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15:50:38amiconnLynx_: Not at all
15:50:49amiconnUSB transfer is handled by the bridge chip, not the cpu
15:51:03Lynx_ok, i thought that might be the case
15:51:12BgerLynx_ what, ~9MB/s are not enough for u ? ;)
15:51:30webguest28Hrm, I'm not getting any errors from the latest build
15:51:34Lynx_Bg3r: hehe, i get either 12 m/sec or 3.5, still don't know why
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15:52:20webguest28Tried a codec swap and a buffer-fillup
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15:54:19Bgerwebguest28 H3x0 or H1x0 ?
15:54:19t0masBagder? what has been discussed already?
15:54:53*webguest28 tries some more codec swaps
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15:57:16egotrippenis there a way to stop some files from updating by CVS?
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15:57:30egotrippenlike, if i don't want some plugins or WPSs, to keep them from downloading?
15:57:36stripwaxegotrippen - just cvs update the files you want to update. or, make a local ocpy of the file and copy it back afterwarsd
15:57:47webguest28wv->mpc->ogg->wv->flac without a hitch
15:57:51Zagort0mas: we've discussed: a) improved filetree to hold different targets/architectures
15:57:51Mikachuegotrippen: you can try removing them from CVS/Entries in the respective directory
15:58:00Zagorb) improved button handling
15:58:05Mikachuegotrippen: but maybe that only works for subdirs
15:58:08webguest28egotrippen: in the case of plugins, you can just remove them from the SOURCES file
15:58:23Zagorc) how to handle the neverending stream of new wps:es and "fun" plugins
15:58:48Zagor(we'll ship a "lite" and a "full" version)
15:58:57preglowanyone against me making a HAVE_PWMABLE_BACKLIGHT define or something? the backlight fading code is currently hardwired to h100...
15:59:03stripwaxwow, just saw asm patch for ata.c . Has the improvement to battery life been measured yet?
15:59:03BgerZagor and about a) & b)
15:59:27egotrippenwhere's the sources file?
15:59:29Learwebguest28: only do mp3 <-> vorbis myself...
15:59:43webguest28stripwax: considering it was less than 6 hours ago, I'd guess no
15:59:53[IDC]Dragonpreglow: sounds good
15:59:55egotrippenah, found it
16:00:02webguest60does rockbox supports mp2?
16:00:06stripwaxwebguest60 - oops, oh yeah.
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16:00:21Bgerstripwax also amiconn is messing up with the ata timings for another ~35% better perf....
16:00:35preglowamiconn's latest asm blob arouses me in ways it shouldn't
16:00:38Zagortime to resume the meeting
16:00:47webguest28egotrippen: that only affects the build-step, so the files will still be updated by cvs
16:00:48stripwaxneat. I'll not upgrade to bleeding just yet in case there's any bugs..
16:00:57MikachuBger: messing up with != messing with :)
16:01:04[IDC]Dragonnow we go downstairs again
16:01:20webguest60stripwax: cool.. in which codec can i find the source for the mp2 decoder?
16:01:22BgerMikachu ah, my "good" english...:)
16:01:50stripwaxwebguest60 - huh?
16:01:51Bgerwebguest60 mad ...
16:02:13stripwaxoh. damn. webguest28 != webguest60. damn autocomplete
16:02:47webguest60Bger: thanks... i want to look at it, becuase i need a mp2 decoder for a project and i dont want to use ffmpeg only for mp2
16:03:03webguest60stripwax: no problem *g*
16:03:30webguest28Lear: Just went ogg->mp3->ogg without problems.. now unless I accidently downloaded the wrong build..
16:04:06Bgerwebguest60 then u'll probably want an unmodified libmad ....
16:04:27webguest28Unless your project runs on a coldfire processor
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16:05:19webguest60Bger: cool.. the project is for x86 arch
16:05:24webguest28Lear: which I might just have done... hang on...
16:05:34webguest28Silly me.
16:06:39webguest28Or actually, maybe it was a write-cache problem. I could've sworn I told windows not to use write-caching
16:07:13Mikachuwhy would write cache be a problem?
16:07:36Mikachuas long as you empty the cache before you unplug it
16:07:40webguest28Because I unzip a build, unplug the iriver, and the new build is never committed to disk
16:08:17webguest28Well, I didn't. Because I thought it wasn't necessary
16:08:26webguest28Still though, ogg->mp3->ogg went fine, just now
16:08:30stripwaxyou have to "safely remove" first though, anyway, even without write cache.
16:09:17webguest28Why on earth?
16:09:38*webguest28 pummels Microsoft
16:09:47Mikachuthere could be things in the fs driver that hasn't been pushed to the write cache/device yet probably
16:10:26stripwaxwell, you might not need to, but it depends how you copy the file. if you use a dosbox or cygwin command to unzip the file to your iriver, you won't need to 'safely remove'. but if you drag+drop using windows, you probably will need to 'safely remove', else windows will get confused and might fail to recognise the device next time it's plugged in
16:10:32stripwaxDon't ask me why, though.
16:10:53stripwaxMaybe what Mikachu said, yeah
16:11:01webguest28Oh well, that's not a concern. Haven't had that
16:11:01Mikachui'm not sure about fat filesystems, but at least on ext* you definitely need to unmount them first in order for them to be marked as cleanly unmounted
16:11:37webguest28well yes, that's totally different though
16:12:01webguest28You can (and I regularly do) yank fat drives mounted with the sync option with no ill effects
16:12:11webguest28And expect the contents to be what you want
16:12:24Mikachuyou don't want to mount fat flash with the sync option in linux
16:12:25webguest28Of course, that's on a sane OS
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16:12:49Mikachuit will update the fat tables more often than needed
16:12:50Mikachui think
16:13:17Mikachua lot more
16:13:40webguest28I'm not following
16:14:07webguest28why is this a big problem?
16:14:13webguest28it's slower..
16:15:55*preglow has to go
16:17:00webguest28Oh, _flash_
16:17:02webguest28well, yes
16:17:10webguest28The iriver is not flash though
16:17:15Mikachuah right
16:17:39webguest28And probably also not a "ultra crap device" :)
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16:17:47Mikachuwhen you say you regularly yank usb devices, i figured at least some of them would be flash
16:18:30webguest28Fair enough, I really just meant the iriver
16:18:49webguest28But, it seems that this is about yanking _during_ a write
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16:19:08Mikachuand speed
16:19:14webguest28Which would be silly, regardless
16:19:35stripwaxhow can you be certain the write operation has completed? answer: by "safely removing" the device.
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16:19:39webguest28Yeah, but the danger isif you pull it while the FAT is being updated, IIUC
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16:20:11webguest28stripwax: no, with the sync option, the write operation is completed once the copy dialog is gone
16:20:32webguest28or at least, a few milliseconds later
16:20:45Mikachushould be a few milliseconds before..
16:20:57t0maswhy not just unmount?
16:21:05*t0mas has an alias for it...
16:21:10stripwaxt0mas how does one 'unmount' in windows?
16:21:15t0masjust type uir
16:21:18Mikachustripwax: the safe eject thing
16:21:20t0masunmount iriver
16:21:24stripwaxMikachu - yes.. I know that...
16:21:26t0masaaah Windows
16:21:32t0masin systray there is an icon
16:21:33Mikachustripwax: then why did you ask?
16:21:40webguest28well, we're havig a mix of linux/windows discussion it seems
16:21:42t0maswith a green arraw
16:21:56webguest28But.. in windows, once you "mark for safe removal", you should not need to "safely eject"
16:21:59t0masif you click it, you can select the device to disconnect
16:22:01stripwaxMikachu - to illustrate the point to webguest28, actually. *I* know
16:22:02webguest28At least, that's the theory
16:22:17webguest28I believe it even says so in the dialog
16:22:19egotrippensometimes the systry icon isn't there
16:22:30stripwaxegotrippen - really?
16:22:34t0masstupid os
16:22:37t0masit should be there
16:22:46t0masbut hey... if it's not there... just pull it...
16:22:46stripwaxIt is
16:22:47egotrippeni keep 2 portable HDs, sometimes the iriver, and a laptop-port soundcard
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16:22:58egotrippenthe icon is usually there, but sometimes not
16:22:58t0masif it malfunctions, install a decent OS
16:23:08stripwaxegotrippen - are you sure you don't have the 'hide unused systray icons' feature enabled?
16:23:21egotrippeni hate that shiz
16:23:30webguest28I enjoy it
16:23:32t0maswell... should fix it all
16:23:33egotrippeni also don't like how it hides start menu buttons
16:23:34webguest28after I tuned it
16:23:46egotrippenyeah, i tried MEPIS for a while, which i think is based on Debian
16:23:49stripwax"hides start menu buttons" ?? how many start menus do you have?/
16:24:02t0masyou can btw disable that icon hiding
16:24:11egotrippencan you? i never found the option
16:24:16t0masright click taskbar
16:24:25t0masor properties or something
16:24:38t0masthen there is a checkbox that says something like "hide not used icons"
16:24:40t0masuncheck it...
16:24:44t0masplop.. icons back
16:24:55webguest28"This setting disables write caching on the disk and in Windows, so you can disconnect this device without using the Safe Removal icon."
16:25:01stripwaxt0mas - didn't egotrippen just say he already has that disabled?
16:25:04stripwaxor am I on crack
16:25:05webguest28So... one would *THINK* that you didn't have to do that.
16:25:16t0masstripwax: I'll call the cops ;)
16:25:17egotrippenthe systray iconns, yeah
16:25:21egotrippeni mean the start menu
16:25:28stripwaxwebguest28 - interesting. presumably you'd still need to wait until the write has completed though
16:25:43stripwaxegotrippen - yeah, I don't know what you mean by the "start menu hiding icons" though
16:25:51webguest28stripwax: but the write finishes as the dialog goes away
16:25:54egotrippenstart menu==>programs
16:25:54webguest28not a second later
16:25:58t0masit's hiding the start menu programs?
16:25:59Mikachu"personalized start menu" option
16:26:03egotrippenon XP a ton of them are hidden unless you click the arrow
16:26:10t0masI've disabled that too... on my windows box
16:26:16egotrippenremember how?
16:26:29t0massomething with [16:26:00] <Mikachu> "personalized start menu" option
16:26:33stripwaxegotrippen - not on mine they're not. right click the Start button?
16:26:40stripwaxclick Customize
16:26:54webguest28"Use personalized menus"
16:27:10stripwax"Number of programs on Start Menu" - is that the thing you mean?
16:27:30t0masno stripwax
16:27:32webguest28Are you using the "new" or "classic" start menu?
16:27:33t0masthat's the list of most used apps
16:27:43webguest28The new one makes me want to vomit
16:27:45egotrippenhah! that got it
16:28:01stripwaxwebguest28 - hehe
16:28:02egotrippenit was the 'use personalized menus'
16:28:14egotrippenwhat a cryptic option
16:28:21webguest60does anybody know how far a bootloader for iAudio X5 is?
16:28:26*t0mas wonders why it's not in the XP style startmenu options?
16:28:35egotrippenanyway, i tried MEPIS for a while, and got it going pretty well on a desktop
16:28:41webguest28t0mas: Because they know best, probably
16:28:49t0masyeah, normally they do...
16:28:57egotrippenbut the laptop had problems with the touchpad and the TV-out
16:28:59*t0mas switches his laptop to classic startmenu
16:29:00egotrippenso i got lazy
16:29:04*Febs considers getting rid of Windows entirely and installing Linux.
16:29:11FebsWindows is driving me crazy.
16:29:17t0masFebs: just keep both
16:29:25t0masI'll eventually walk into some windows-only app
16:29:33t0maslike the tax apps in the Netherlands
16:29:39FebsThat's probably what I'll end up doing, since I need Windows for compatibility with my office.
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16:29:47egotrippenif i coulda got my touchpad working right.....
16:29:56FebsBut for some reason that I have to figure out, Windows has decided to stop recognizing my optical drives.
16:29:57t0masfor normal people they have some pdf form... but for businesses you still need to run a Windows application
16:30:11egotrippenwhenever i used a USB mouse it would disable the touchpad entirely, for some reason
16:30:12stripwaxt0mas - does it run under Wine?
16:30:14egotrippeni'd have to re-install it
16:30:25stripwaxegotrippen - sounds like a BIOS problem
16:30:32t0masstripwax: never tried... using my laptop (with windows) for company stuff anyway
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16:30:36webguest28Or just an X problem
16:30:47egotrippenyeah? i've never been confident enough to screw around with BIOS
16:30:49t0masbut I can try
16:30:57egotrippenOSs i can re-install if i screw up
16:31:14FebsThe easiest solution for me would be to re-install Windows ... except that it comes on a CD, and since Windows is not recognizing my CD drive ...
16:31:14t0masegotrippen: you can also reset the BIOS to default settings if you screw up
16:31:24t0masFebs: but you can boot from that cd...
16:31:28t0masand install windows
16:31:35stripwaxt0mas - you can't reflash if you screw up the flash though
16:31:53FebsFor some reason, it won't boot from that CD. It *will* boot from other bootable CDs that I have, so I know that the drive is functioning.
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16:32:01t0masstripwax: 1. You don't screw up the flash when changing settings... 2. On new pc's you can
16:32:16stripwaxt0mas - upgrading the BIOS could screw up hte BIOS, no .. ?
16:32:27t0masnot on mine...
16:32:33sneakumsdunno if this is a new bug, but with the current cvs build on h120, it'll only play two songs in a row at a time
16:32:36t0masMSI has some bios resque options
16:32:41t0masnew Asus boards have it too
16:32:54webguest28sneakums: Seems to be related to the optimized ATA driver
16:32:54stripwaxdo laptops? which is the thing that was being discussed...
16:33:01sneakumsah, i did wonder
16:33:09sneakumsapart from that, the driver seems dreamy :)
16:33:15webguest28amiconn is on the case. At least, once he gets back to coding
16:33:16stripwaxwebguest28 - right, definitely not going to upgrade to bleeding just yet
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16:33:29webguest28Didn't happen to me though, strangely
16:33:52webguest28or maybe I was just lucky
16:33:55stripwaxFebs - try removing the optical drivers from your Device Manager, then reboot. Or are they not even showing up in Device Maneger
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16:34:33webguest28sneakums: And also, it seems he'll be able to add another 35% increase.
16:34:33*stripwax reads z80.c and gets all dewy-eyed
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16:36:15sneakumsi may have asked this before, but the "slow but usable" ipod 5g video driver, is it just too slow for video? would i even notice coming from using rockbox on an h120?
16:36:25egotrippenoh man, you don't know what you've done for me
16:36:36egotrippenmaybe i can clear off my desktop now, and actually use the start menu
16:37:30Febst0mas, yeah, I tried deleting all of the drivers. Windows finds the drive, but says that it can't initialize it. I also tried a different drive, different cable, and different IDE port. Same issue.
16:37:53stripwaxFebs - try reinstall your chipset drivers. are you VIA?
16:37:55webguest28sneakums: some people have playback skips with "heavy" WPSs, but that's it, I think
16:38:01FebsDid that.
16:38:10sneakumssweet, my wps is fairly light
16:38:11stripwaxare you sure they're not faulty?
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16:38:41webguest28sneakums: Better ask someone with a Video though, I guess.. could try in the rockbox forums
16:38:50FebsNo. I'm not sure how to check that.
16:39:03stripwaxI guess, do they work in someone else's PC?
16:39:32stripwaxor actually - do they work in Safe mode?
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16:39:52webguest28There we go. Codec failure.
16:40:03FebsThey don't work in safe mode.
16:40:13FebsI should go test them in my other PC.
16:40:23stripwaxFebs give it a go
16:40:31FebsBut the odds of two different drives having identical problems seems slim.
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16:41:33FebsI've backed up all of my data, so I'm thinking I'm just going to reformat and reinstall Windows.
16:41:47FebsI've been meaning to do that anyway.
16:41:47stripwaxAnyone know how well coldfire's branch prediction works? Would code like ( a += ((x&0x80)>> 8 ) perform better or worse than if( x&0x80 ) a++ ?
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16:58:06ohrnstripwax: afaik the V2 core doesn't have branch prediction
16:58:58stripwaxokie doke. so it's just a question of t-states really. if's probably quickest then.
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17:06:56Papricasomeone know where is screen_put_cursorxy function located?
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17:08:35MoosPaprica: hi, where are the source for your Tetris Rb clone please?
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17:09:53*t0mas is bored...
17:10:13DBUGEnqueued KICK Paprica
17:10:13Paprica[::] <Paprica> someone know where is screen_put_cursorxy function located?
17:10:15Nico_PPaprica: maybe you could add an option to start at a higher level... it's much too slow atm
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17:10:30t0masthere is a really nice command for that Paprica...
17:11:14Mikachuor even better, ctags
17:11:55Papricamm grep without nothing?
17:12:06Mikachugrep −−help :P
17:12:15t0mas[tomas@nigel rockbox-devel]$ grep 'screen_put_cursorxy' `find -name *.c`
17:12:15t0mas./apps/gui/icon.c:void screen_put_cursorxy(struct screen * display, int x, int y, bool on)
17:12:18t0mas./apps/gui/list.c: screen_put_cursorxy(display, cursor_xpos, selected_line, gui_list->cursor_flash_state);
17:12:21t0mas./apps/gui/list.c: screen_put_cursorxy(display, 0, selected_line, gui_list->cursor_flash_state);
17:12:24t0mas./apps/gui/list.c: screen_put_cursorxy(display, cursor_pos, i, true);
17:12:44t0masit looks like it's defined in /apps/gui/icon.c
17:12:48Mikachui just type edit -t screen_put_cursorxy and my editor starts in apps/gui/icon.c at line 47
17:13:19Mikachuyeah, you need a ctags compatible editor too
17:13:24Mikachuctags only generates the index
17:13:29t0masemacs :)
17:13:31t0masor vim?
17:13:36Mikachuboth have it
17:13:45Mikachuvim even has a toolbar button for generating the index :)
17:13:48Mikachugvim that is
17:14:20t0masthat doesn't run in screen ;)
17:14:31Mikachuit doesn't
17:14:35Mikachubut why would i want that?
17:14:40sharpesharpe is back!
17:14:41t0masI want it...
17:14:47CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
17:14:47*t0mas runs...
17:14:47stripwaxsharpe - hows the maze?
17:14:49t0mashe's back!
17:14:50Mikachuthen you can run it in screen and i run gvim :)
17:14:58sharpei'm back!
17:15:05Mikachut0mas: i think the command is ctags -R .
17:15:22sharpestripwax, was just going back to working on it, just got home.
17:15:22t0masMikachu: ok, I\'ll test it...
17:15:32*stripwax checks out ctags..
17:15:33Mikachuyou don't need to escape quotes on irc ;)
17:15:36t0massomething is wrong when you start to escape quotes in a chat
17:15:44*t0mas exits Zend studio
17:15:54t0masenough done for today
17:16:09Mikachui even have tab completion for -t in my shell, but that's for next week :)
17:16:28t0mashmz... added to bash autocompletion list?
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17:16:32Mikachui use zsh
17:16:41t0masbash can do something like it too...
17:16:49Mikachu% cat .zsh/_vim
17:16:50Mikachu#compdef vim gvim edit
17:16:50Mikachu_arguments '-t:tags:_complete_tag' '*:files:_files'
17:17:13Mikachuand of course, i can click on a function inside vim (or press ctrl-]) and it jumps to the definition
17:17:24*t0mas loves linux
17:17:26Mikachuor variable name, or define, or ...,
17:17:43MikachuLittle Wizard 1.1.2
17:17:43MikachuA development environment for children.
17:17:57*stripwax hates debugging apps under linux..
17:18:18*sharpe doesn't use linux, due to no support for his wireless card.
17:18:39stripwaxsharpe - which card? tried gentoo?
17:18:46t0masmine works fine...
17:18:49t0maswith ndiswrapper
17:18:53t0masalmost all cards work with it...
17:18:58stripwaxt0mas - that's cheating ;-)
17:18:59t0masjust load a windows driver :)
17:19:01sharpewould broadcom work with it?
17:19:07t0masI don't know
17:19:08t0mastry it
17:19:14t0masor google for it ;)
17:19:23sharpeeh, i never found any drivers for it
17:19:29sharpedamn you, linksys!
17:19:42stripwaxlinksys? broadcom? huh?
17:20:01sharpemade by linksys, broadcom chipset apparantly...
17:20:14sharpelabeled by linksys, made by broadcom
17:20:31stripwaxoh , ok. try gentoo anyway, see what happens ;-)
17:20:44sharpeheh, i will sometime
17:20:58t0masbroadcom... isn't that supported natively by new 2.6 kernels?
17:21:15stripwaxnative wireless? wow!
17:22:31*t0mas runs off again... time to do something else than programming..
17:22:41t0masbefore I start escaping quotes in real life :P
17:22:51stripwaxso that's still ndiswrapper, which isn't native. i'm confused
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17:37:49Zagorhey guys
17:38:02Zagoryou're not going to believe this, but we've agreed on a release schedule
17:38:49sharpedo i believe it?
17:38:55Moosfor wich platforms? :-)
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17:39:14Zagornext release, 3.0, will be for Archos and Iriver
17:39:37MoosCool !
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17:39:49Mooswhere is this schedule?
17:40:25Zagorit's not up yet
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17:40:27*Moos is looking Zagor at phone :-)
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17:41:14sharpeyay, new 'avatar'!
17:41:25MoosZagor: is that will too soon than we can't included a futur iAudio release with?
17:43:19Nico_PMoos: not a chance: there is no iaudio bootloader yet and it takes time between getting rockbox to run on target and including it in an 'official' release
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17:43:44amiconn[16:00:35] <preglow> amiconn's latest asm blob arouses me in ways it shouldn't <= in what way(s)?
17:43:46Nico_Pthat's why 3.0 won't support ipds
17:43:48MoosNico: ça depend ;)
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17:43:57Moosdepending to the release date :)
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17:44:24ZagorNico_P: correct. ipod and iaudio is for 3.1
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17:44:47Moosoh 3.1 already planed too, good then :)
17:44:59B4gdert0mas: still here?
17:45:23Nico_Pwow.. lots of people all of the sudden
17:45:27B4gderand 4.2 will conquer the world!
17:45:28[IDC]Dragonmain issues are tagdb and codec/voice
17:45:47stripwaxtagdb is certainly an issue atm..
17:45:53[IDC]Dragonwe'll announce a feature freeze soon
17:46:06tucozNot that I think the old logo is bad, it's just that this one looks more 'future' if you know what I mean. Maybe consider a new logo with the new release :-)
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17:47:00Zagortucoz: too late. we have shirts now! :-)
17:47:00webguest28I like the almost-abstract logo to the left
17:47:08tucozZagor,bummer ;-)
17:47:08Moosstripwax: before HCl retouch, Zagor's tagdb was good enough for release
17:47:35stripwax_Moos - so does that mean revert before release? or fix?
17:47:47B4gderwe decided we intend to strive for Slasheri's approach
17:47:59Paul_The_NerdZagor: Will the shirts be sold, by chance?
17:48:03stripwax_I forget which is which .... which is the one that doesn't crash rockbox?
17:48:22Moosstripwax: Slasheri approach will be so far "better" but depending on Slasheri alone
17:48:23ZagorPaul_The_Nerd: I guess we could set up a cafepress store or similar
17:48:32tucozstripwax, Slasheri's approach is the tagcache one
17:48:48Mikachui saw binary size was on the agenda, and speaking of the logo, isn't it compiled into the binary now?
17:48:52Paul_The_NerdZagor: I know *I* would buy one of those ones I've seen you folk so fashionably displaying over there at decvon
17:48:52Mikachumaybe you could load it from fat instead
17:49:04stripwax_I guess I'll have to read the wiki to understand the diff between tagcache and tagdb
17:49:09*stripwax_ starts reading
17:49:10B4gderMikachu: can't load, it shows before ata init etc
17:49:28tucoz...fashionably displaying them like factory droids, eh :-D
17:49:29Moosstripwax: tagdb was introduce by HCl's changes
17:49:32Paul_The_Nerdstripwax_: Tagcache = built runtime. TagDB = prebuilt on host computer.
17:49:40MikachuB4gder: does that take long?
17:49:48Mikachuor maybe the logo isn't so big that it matters anyway
17:49:49B4gderMikachu: spinning up the disk does
17:50:06Mikachuwon't it be spinned up from the fact that we just started the device and loaded the rockbox binary?
17:50:10Moosstripwax: he changed both tagdb and runtime db err: modified the tag db introduce runtime db
17:50:12stripwax_Paul_The_Nerd - ah cool. tagcache is the one I figured would be best anyway.
17:50:14B4gderbesides, on Archos the logo is very small
17:50:44Mikachuokay, was just a thought
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17:51:32stripwax_Any likelihood of rombox for iriver at any point? istr there's no driver for flash or eeprom yet, just wondering if that's something desirable or not
17:52:01B4gderstripwax: slasheri had it running
17:52:23MoosFlasheri :-)
17:52:59*Zagor will take down the web server a while. DON'T PANIC! :-)
17:53:11*B4gder is scared
17:53:14Mooshaha :D
17:53:21*Cassandra panics.
17:53:29Slasheriyep, that works. But another question is, would there really be enough benefits from it so people would start flashing it
17:53:57Zagorthis means those of you on cgiirc will be kicked off. sorry about that and welcome back in a bit.
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17:54:10Moosless point will be for people updating a lot her Rb version
17:54:39Mooslot of flashing instead of unziping one .rar file :)
17:54:54tucozThe irivers boot quite fast now. Especially (I think) since Jens assembler session.
17:55:03Moosit is one advantage for swcodecs platforms
17:55:15amiconnhehe, will be even faster soon (I hope)
17:55:36amiconnLinus will bring his logic analyser, then we'll verify ata timings
17:55:48*Moos apllauses :)
17:55:56tucozamiconn, wow.
17:55:59Slasherihehe, that's impressive :)
17:56:12Slasherijust compiling the new build
17:57:01Mikachu if you still want to view the webcam :)
17:57:04Mikachubut no autorefresh there
17:57:45Zagoractually the old page still works. just don't reload it.
18:00:36imphasing_I see a lot of archos players in that shot..
18:01:05Paul_The_NerdI still need to get my hands on an Archos. My brother has one he *never* uses, I'm just hoping he hasn't gotten rid of it
18:01:41B4gderI'm sure Jörg can sell you a broken one ;-P
18:01:53Paul_The_NerdThe idea would be for me to be able to actually *use* it.
18:01:59B4gderthe ones you see there on his table is from his junkyard
18:02:08imphasing_Damn europeans and their umlauts...wish my keyboard had those.
18:02:23Paul_The_NerdI like when people say "Has anyone got an X with which to test this patch" that I can say "Yes."
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18:02:46Paul_The_NerdMy IRC client doesn't even show umlauts. Also, how do you pronounce that name?
18:03:06Mikachulike bird
18:03:13B4gderor learn
18:03:14Mikachubut j and g instead
18:03:16[IDC]Dragonback without CGIIRC
18:03:33Mikachuand i don't know how to explain non-english r sounds in english
18:03:53Mikachulike a scottish or pirate r maybe :)
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19:55:05aaronfgquick wps question, on the wiki it shows an example of using images for battery life. Is this limited to 4 imgs like in the example? And if not, how many iterations can you make?
19:55:14Zagorphew, web server is now back up
19:56:13Paul_The_Nerdaaronfg: I think it's limited right now.
19:56:50lostlogicMikachu: you don't, but that's the order the code is executed
19:57:24aaronfgPaul_The_Nerd: ok, thanks
19:58:12Mikachulostlogic: so then it's possible in theory at least
19:58:13Learaaronfg: but it is actually 6 images in total.
19:58:43lostlogicMikachu: not with major rehashing of the button code
19:58:48aaronfgjesus, another error compiling the normal build, this time dealing with pacbox: No rule to make target 'pacbox_arm.S', needed by '/home/aaronfg/rockbox-devel/build5gn/apps/plugins/pacbox/dep-pacbox'. Stop
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19:59:29stripwaxaaronfg - is your source up to date (cvs update)?
19:59:53Mikachuhm, my nano just shutdown while playing pacman
20:00:03aaronfgi was trying to run that before but it kept timing uopt
20:00:04Mikachuand apple says the battery is full
20:00:19stripwaxaaronfg - yeah, try now, now that the website is back up ...l.
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20:01:49Mikachudoes anyone want to commit these small button fixes for flipit or should i add it to the tracker?
20:04:30aaronfgLear: 6? the wiki shows %?bl<0|1|2|3|4> which is 5, 0-4
20:05:02aaronfgstripwax: just did a cvs update and i'm still getting that pacbox wrror
20:07:15ZagorMikachu: are those changes uncontested?
20:07:33Mikachui don't know
20:07:48Mikachubut i thought it was small enough
20:08:50Zagori'm just asking because changing buttons can sometimes be a delicate issue :-)
20:09:32Zagori'll commit it and listen for screams :-)
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20:10:26Learaaronfg: yep, but as mentioned on the mailing list, that's wrong.
20:11:10aaronfgLear: so, syntax-wise it's correct, just should be %?bl<0|1|2|3|4|5> ?
20:11:13amiconns**t! It seems all odd alignment cases are broken...
20:11:28amiconnWhat the heck did I do?
20:11:44sharpeit's kind of scary when you see "time remaining: 00:02:120"
20:12:32stripwaxWorking on an interpolated pixel blt for H1x0 pacbox. Not sure of framerate impact yet, I ought to write it in coldfire asm. But it looks sweet in sim.
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20:12:44stripwaxLike - really sweet.
20:12:55amiconnstripwax: grayscale lib?
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20:23:25yanHi all
20:23:48yanDoes rockbox could run on a iPon-Nano ?
20:24:12Paul_The_NerdI user Rockbox on my iPod Nano
20:24:12sharpesi seinor.
20:24:37yanPaul_The_Nerd: and it works well?
20:25:20stripwaxseems to
20:25:56Paul_The_Nerdyan: It works brilliantly. It doesn't show proper battery status yet, but other than that it's lovely.
20:26:41yanPaul_The_Nerd: Oh it's cool :)
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20:27:22yanPaul_The_Nerd: I'll test it on my 4th generation iPod. Do you think I must recompile a firmware or use a pre-built one if it exists ?
20:27:38sharpeyou can use the cvs build...
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20:28:25stripwaxWhat can rockbox *not* do on 5g that stock ipod firmware can do? out of interest. I'd like to surprise my gf with a 5g for her birthday, on the condition that she uses rockbox ;-)
20:28:52amiconnvideo playback I think
20:28:58sharpethat's about it...
20:29:01Zagorstripwax: drm aac
20:29:32yansharpe: cvs build... do you have an URL for me please?
20:29:43stripwaxvideo playback would be nice. don't care a s**t about drm (or aac for that matter).
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20:30:14Paul_The_Nerdyan: There's builds at the rockbox site.
20:30:26webguest28amiconn: how's ATA doing?
20:30:42Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: DRM acc, high bitrate aac (too slow still), and video aren't supported in Rockbox yet.
20:30:47Paul_The_Nerddrm aac even
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20:32:33webguest60I was wondering if you will code for the iAudio X5 port on the DevCon because the agenda doesn't show that
20:33:15B4gderthe agenda is mostly about planning and talk
20:33:44Paul_The_NerdThe devcon's most important output will be discussion results, I think. Programming can be done anywhere, in the end.
20:34:02B4gderbut there is x5 progress anyway
20:34:41MoosB4gder: what are they? :)
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20:34:50Zagoryeah, but doom is a little slow on it yet
20:34:54B4gderah, darned, did I let anything from the conspiracy out now? ;-)
20:35:04Mooshehe :-)
20:35:37B4gderMoos: linus found that the pll settings are different on this coldfire than on the 5249
20:35:42B4gderfor example
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20:36:14MoosBagder: Very good to hear, thanks for the info
20:36:36B4gderand he ruined MY x5 with his crappy bootloader ;-)
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20:36:56Mooshaha :D
20:37:05B4gderthe x5 is a nice bootloader concept
20:37:19B4gderalmost impossible to brick
20:37:23Moosmore safe than irivers , right?
20:37:39B4gderyes, the flash/upgrade procedure remains
20:37:50Mooslike with ipods too, right?
20:38:42aaronfgwhat do i have to do to let a patch go through without asking me to manually enter the filenames to patch each time?
20:38:57webguest28Pass the right -p option
20:39:09aaronfgwhich is based on what
20:39:22Mikachuon the patch and which directory you're in
20:39:22webguest28Fairy dust and letters to santa
20:39:32webguest28It always seems like hit-and-miss to me
20:39:59B4gderaaronfg: based on the path names used with the patch files
20:40:05B4gdersince -p tells patch to use that path
20:40:16B4gderand the number is how many slashes from the path to skip
20:40:46aaronfgso for an example,
20:40:58aaronfgif the patch is for "apps/screens.c"
20:41:19Paul_The_NerdB4gder: If the number is how many slashes to skip, shouldn't -p0 not have any effect?
20:41:32Mikachup0 is default
20:41:33B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: it has, since -p means use the given path
20:41:36B4gderMikachu: no
20:42:04B4gderwithout the -p0 it skips the whole path and just use the file part or something like that
20:42:10Paul_The_NerdB4gder: Ah. Thanks. So if you don't put -p anything on it, it looks for the files without path in your current folder?
20:42:20aaronfgso with -p0 it'll take the current path as the starting poiint?
20:42:37B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: that's how I understand it and I never manage without -p0 :-)
20:44:53yanI found an iPod firmware which stands on 1.9mb in zip, and which is named, is this ok?
20:45:01yanOr do I need something else?
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20:45:16Paul_The_Nerdyan: There should just be a link for Nano firmware at
20:45:59yanOn the main page?
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20:46:16sharpegah, my plugins do not like me.
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20:48:21Paul_The_NerdClearly they cannot. They're inanimate.
20:48:38MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: that's what they want you to believe
20:49:05sharpehow do you know? you know, with my luck at programming i've made them senient and now they refuse to work for me without compensation for their time.
20:50:33Paul_The_NerdMan, if I had a sentient MP3 player, I'd be terrified.
20:50:53*Mikachu immediately comes to think of megaman exe
20:50:54sharpeyeah, it kind of fought against me when i tried to install rockbox
20:51:13sharpehad to get the wire ties out.
20:51:31webguest60so what is the actual status of the bootloader for the X5? isn't the progress pretty far, in terms of a possible running rockbox but needs a bootloader?
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20:52:39Mooslet's hope in LinusN
20:52:40LinusNjust hang on for a few hours more :-)
20:52:49*B4gder hangs
20:52:50Mooshehe :)
20:52:51sharpethat's kind of funny... apparantly it was stuck in a for loop...
20:53:17webguest60linus are you giving me a little hint that you are working on it?
20:53:30kclafwat are you sinking abaaout
20:53:36webguest60didn't b4dger meantion that his X5 was destroyed with a crappy bootloader?
20:53:44B4gdernot really
20:53:51Zagor3 years 15 days old: Edit ID3 Tags
20:53:52Zagor18 comments, 9 files:
20:53:52B4gderI'm just being silly
20:53:54Moos*destroyed* was a jock :)
20:54:24Paul_The_Nerd3 years... wow
20:54:30webguest60but is linus working on it? what did oyu mean with hang on for a few more hours?
20:54:36B4gderit has a broken bootloader but it can easily be fixed
20:55:02MoosZagor: with Slasheri's tagcache, we will can edit ID3 tags
20:55:08Mooson the fly
20:55:18tim66Lear: did you sort out your playback glitches? I've been getting problems with the bleeding edge build from 10:112 today, had to ROLO a previous version to fix it
20:55:29sharpered, green, or blue?
20:55:33webguest60b4gder are you at the meeting?
20:55:39ZagorMoos: yeah, this was just an example of the horribly poor patch handling we've had
20:55:49Mooshehe :-)
20:55:51B4gderI'm a bot, how can I be at the meeting?
20:56:11tim66anyone else seen playback problems recently on iriver h120 / h140? I'm getting glitches after a few minutes of playback
20:56:49bluebrother^tim66: me too.
20:56:50Paul_The_Nerdtim66: How new/old is the build, are the glitches only with that version of rockbox or have they been in for a few versions?
20:57:24*Zagor changes url for flyspray from /bugs to /tracker
20:57:27bluebrother^I've had the issues with the cvs build after the ata change
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20:57:50Leartim66: yes, asm ata read causes problems for me.
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20:57:57Learthe fix: disable it. :)
20:58:06bluebrother^reverting back to todays daily build works fine.
20:58:25bluebrother^so I assume it was the ata change.
20:59:06sharpewhy did i not realize the source file was not in "SOURCES" to be compiled?
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20:59:56amiconnLear: There is a bug in the odd aligment read loop. I'm trying to track it down.
21:00:51Paul_The_NerdWhat does the release script do?
21:01:17bluebrother^I haven't tried it much but it was kinda surprising that I encountered the glitches only for mp3 playback, ogg worked fine.
21:01:48bluebrother^at least for the short time I tried.
21:02:27B4gderred red red :-)
21:02:56*B4gder considers doing the rare red build dance in front of the cam but goes for a beer instead
21:04:50XavierGrLOL. I would like to see that dance!
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21:10:17B4gderdance night!
21:10:17Mikachuyou mean the CREDITS file? i got in there without even asking for it :)
21:10:29sharpehmm... strangely odd...
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21:10:56CassandraThat shouldn't really happen. Do you want to be in the credits?
21:10:57[IDC]Dragonthe ones who ask don't make it there
21:11:14sharpelooks like i'm good then.
21:11:55Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Actually, I think the newest version of Doom doesn't contain anything I did, so I'm probably safe. ;-)
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21:12:39*Paul_The_Nerd does most of his contribution by trying to keep the forum noise level at an acceptable hum.
21:14:44CassandraAnd we do love you for it/
21:14:47MikachuCassandra: yeah it's all good
21:14:54Mikachui just didn't expect it at the time
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21:15:14CassandraI make a point of asking people before I put them in the credits/
21:16:04MikachuZagor: here's a corresponding patch for sliding_puzzle,
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21:17:07Mikachui'm not sure if maybe those two plugins should print a #warning for targets that don't have a help text
21:17:17Mikachushould get someone's attention to fix it :)
21:19:58sharpethis is... perplexing?
21:20:44Zagorsharpe: what is?
21:21:22sharpeeh, not sure... for some reason, i don't have an array that corresponds to all pixels on the lcd, but i should...
21:21:44stripwaxsharpe - mmm?
21:21:53sharpethat pixel maze :P
21:22:26sharpe1/4 of the screen... i guess isn't covered by the array...
21:22:52amiconngotta reboot :/
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21:22:56stripwaxsharpe - weird.. LCD_WIDTH x LCD_HEIGHT should cover it ...
21:23:09Mikachumaybe you need to * with the color depth?
21:23:20Paul_The_Nerddepth / 8
21:23:24Paul_The_NerdI believe...
21:23:28Mikachuyeah, in bytes
21:23:32sharpedon't think it's that problem...
21:23:53sharpethe array is an array of bytes, each byte corresponds to the respective pixel on the screen
21:24:16Mikachuah, you're not talking about a frame buffer
21:24:18stripwaxhow do you know it's not big enough then .. ?
21:24:35sharpeand it's ((LCD_WIDTH-(LCD_WIDTH%8))/8) x LCD_HEIGHT
21:24:55sharpebut that should be 40x240 for my ipod
21:24:55Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Why do you want one byte per pixel? The LCDs on color targets are 16bpp, or 2 bytes per pixel, no?
21:24:55Mikachuisn't that superfluous?
21:25:07stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd −− it's a maze...
21:25:16sharpeonly need one bit per pixel
21:25:18Mikachujust do LCD_WIDTH/8 will give you an integer
21:25:32Mikachubut why are you dividing by eight?
21:25:33sharpeyeah, i know...
21:25:41sharpeeight bits per pixel
21:26:08Mikachueight bytes per pixel? i think one of us is confused now :)
21:26:20sharpeeight bits per byte, eight pixels :)
21:26:33stripwaxsharpe - so you want, (LCD_WIDTH x LCD_HEIGHT ) / 8 , no?
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21:26:55sharpewait, let me try something...
21:26:58stripwaxbut like I said, how do you know your array is not big enough?
21:27:12Mikachubut width*height will give you an array with one array element per pixel
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21:27:34sharpe40*8 = 320, and that should be the number of pixels for the width of the screen...
21:27:47Mikachuare you declaring it int?
21:27:47sharpelet me try it with just the lcd size
21:27:50stripwaxMikachu yep. he wants to store the maze walls as *bits* not *bytes*. one bit, per pixel.
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21:29:06sharpeyeh, it's not the array size that is the problem it would seem...
21:29:09Mikachui'm not sure if that's a wise speed/space tradeoff
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21:29:41Paul_The_NerdYeah, the plugin buffer is plenty big for something like that, unless you're planning on using it all elsewhere.
20:31:45XavierGrnice email Christi. Sums it up very tidy.
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20:32:41B4gderblame bjorn: 3
20:32:47B4gderblame someone else: 0
20:33:02XavierGrblame him for what?
20:33:06Zagorhey! you blocked me from voting!
20:33:23Mikachua whiner it's you
20:33:39Mikachuokay, obscure flash movie reference
20:33:41t0masB4gder: all bugs?
20:33:48t0masbugs in general (eg. futur bugs too?)
20:33:52t0masor just some bugs? ;)
20:33:54B4gderwe focus on the wps included inthe player zip for now
20:34:13t0maswell... I would vote for you then :P
20:34:19t0masyou do the makefile stuff
20:35:11t0masis Cassandra/christi sleeping?
20:35:18B4gderyes, sleepwalking
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20:35:26t0masoh wait
20:35:32t0maslittle delay in the cam ;)
20:36:28XavierGrwhich target are gou going to choose for the display tonight? (ad what it will show?)
20:36:51XavierGralso did the nano managed to stay alive until the morning?
20:37:07B4gderdon't ask me, I slept tight
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20:37:48t0masdisplay? target?
20:38:25XavierGryesterday when they went to sleep, they left an iPod nano beside the webcam with the plasma plugin running
20:38:37Paul_The_NerdI think they should show Cube on Player.
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23:40:41leftrightLinus, any thoughts on the playlist catalog feature
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23:43:31*HCl prods Slasheri
23:43:43HClSlasheri: got time to give me in a nutshell the plans for a new runtime db?
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23:44:41HClbah :/
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23:45:56*HCl goes to sleep, will return tomorrow
23:46:11HCli thought of a new game that should be ported to rockbox >.o
23:46:29HCli should get more active again anyways, stupid college has been eating too much of my time
23:46:33HClvexed is fun
23:47:00HClit's a bit of a cross between sokoban and something tetris like, it's a puzzle game
23:47:03afruff23how eaxactly do games get ported to rockbox? Wouldn't some games not work, sicne each player has different controls?
23:47:22HClin general we try to map the games to the buttons available
23:47:25B4gderafruff23: port one and you''l learn! ;-)
23:47:30HClsometimes some players simply do not have enough buttons
23:47:31Mikachumost games don't need more than 5 buttons
23:47:47HClfor vexed, you don't need more than 4 buttons to play it
23:47:52HClleft, right, select, and menu :p
23:47:57afruff23I amagine the X% could have lots of games with a 5 way joystick and 2 side buttons
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23:48:15webguest28Aha, :)
23:48:16HCli'm still pleased with the rockboy port
23:48:26HClwho sped it up lately?
23:48:34B4gderHCl: kkurbjun
23:48:35HCli ran it today and it's way better than when i originally ported it
23:48:37HClnice :)
23:48:40PhR3aKyeah tetris for x5 would be cool ;)
23:48:41B4gderhe improved major
23:48:48HCl :)
23:48:52*B4gder can't type now either
23:48:56HCli'm planning to get back into rockbox development a bit
23:48:59*Paul_The_Nerd still thinks Rockbox needs Nethack
23:49:03HCli've been too busy lately and i really need to get back into it
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23:49:29HCli'll start with porting vexed
23:49:34solexx_Paul_The_Nerd: yay!
23:49:34webguest28wow, supermarioland is way fast
23:49:46webguest28it used to crawl
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23:49:50HCland then i'll probably see what'll happen with the tagcache
23:50:00HClmario used to be at somewhat decent speed
23:50:02MoosHCl: Welcome back !
23:50:03HClbut nowadays
23:50:09HClit's really good
23:50:11HClthanks :p
23:50:15Paul_The_Nerdsolexx_: It'd be difficult to come up with proper controls for it, I imagine.
23:50:19PhR3aKis it true that rockbox would increase the battery life a bit?
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23:50:30solexx_Paul_The_Nerd: that's what I thought, too
23:50:30HClPhR3aK: depends on which player
23:50:42HClno idea..
23:50:47solexx_and −− who would've thought that? −− the display is too small
23:50:48*HCl only has an i140
23:50:49Paul_The_NerdPhR3aK: Well, it's a little hard to tell since it's never yet been run on an X5...\
23:50:58PhR3aKyeah sry
23:51:16afruff23can someone give me a link to documentation on games for rockbox?
23:51:21afruff23I can't find anything
23:51:26PhR3aKim just too excited about rockbox on the x5 ;)
23:51:33preglowif you splash() on a remote unit now, does it automatically display on both screens?
23:51:33afruff23me too
23:51:35B4gderafruff23: PluginIndex perhaps
23:51:35Paul_The_Nerdsolexx_: I wouldn't say it's too small. I mean yeah, you wouldn't have the same field of view, but you could let them scroll the screen when necessary.
23:51:46solexx_if any iriver had networking hardware...
23:51:59HClwebguest28: sweet, i hadn't even found that GPL version of vexed yet :P
23:52:02solexx_ssh'ing into my iriver to play nethack would be great :)
23:52:09HCl*was planning to start from scratch but doesn't have to now* xD
23:52:09XavierGrwell ,theoritically this can be achived with USB OTG
23:52:43webguest28HCl: And it's even for a limited platform already
23:52:48HClwebguest28: yupyup
23:52:58HClwebguest28: i downloaded a version for my phone but it crashes, figures
23:52:58solexx_XavierGr: or alternatively, a usb keyboard for nethack
23:53:03HClcrappy phone runs windows mobile
23:53:11HCl*never* get a phone with windows on it, is my advice
23:53:24HClbut vexed seems like a great game for rockbox
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23:53:35PhR3aKare there screens how rockbox will look like on the x5? is album art possible (like on ipod)?
23:53:35HClit's lightweight, doesn't need much cpu, and only needs 4 buttons to work
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23:53:52leftrightbrandon, that real time clock support is for pods and H300's onlyI guess ?
23:54:00HClsee you tomorrow
23:54:10afruff23where's doom?
23:54:13Paul_The_NerdPhR3ak: Basically, anything that's possible on other colour display targets should be possible on it.
23:54:15afruff23I thoguht dooom was ported?
23:54:20Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Doom's not part of Rockbox yet.
23:54:25Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: It's only a patch.
23:54:31*Paul_The_Nerd points to where it's in the ToDo still
23:55:29PhR3aKbut i saw the rockbox interface on an ipod nano (which has an color screen too) and it doesnt look this colourfull ^^
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23:55:35PhR3aKjust b/w
23:55:43B4gder"this" ?
23:55:50Paul_The_NerdPhr3ak: Also, black and white, or *blue* and white?
23:56:06PhR3aKno black
23:56:12Paul_The_NerdPhr3ak: Errr black and blue I meant
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23:56:43Paul_The_Nerdphr3ak: Anyway, rockbox is a text based software anyway, so you'll have one color of text on another color background (or background image), and the WPS will only be text and a background unless you modify it.
23:56:44PhR3aKmaybe it was an old version i dont know but it seems just black and white
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23:56:56Paul_The_Nerdphr3ak: Color was supported before there was a Nano version.
23:57:19Paul_The_Nerdphr3ak: Are you sure the person using it hadn't just picked a white background and black text?
23:57:26Paul_The_NerdI use that so it's readable with the backlight off.
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23:57:41PhR3aKyeah that could be... i just saw it very short
23:57:47afruff23doom is not mentioned here:
23:58:15webguest28ReleaseTodo is the page
23:58:41afruff23I foudn it thanks
23:58:45Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Doom can currently be played if you install a patch from the tracker, anyway.
23:58:56*Paul_The_Nerd has it working just fine on his Nano.

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