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#rockbox log for 2006-03-19

00:00:08Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Doom was not a sidescrolling game.
00:00:15*Paul_The_Nerd wonders what part of "Doom" is confusing.
00:00:16afruff23It's jsut it's ahrd for me to imagine palying doom on anano
00:00:21PhR3aKisn't the processor of the x5 to slow for 3d scenes?
00:00:27afruff23with so little buttons
00:00:39Paul_The_NerdPhr3ak: Doom ran on a 386 at 20mhz.
00:00:51afruff23It's just hard fro me to imagine playing doom on a nano?*
00:01:03leftrightthe web cam appears to be down
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00:01:09Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Yeah, but why on Earth would we call it "Doom" if it was a sidescrolling game?
00:01:31PhR3aKoh yeah sry... for me it was just hard to imagine
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00:01:41Zagorleftright: yeah it turned midnight so the crappy software now writes to a new directory... /me fix
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00:01:58leftrightah, thanks
00:01:59PhR3aKbecause the x5 isn't even able to play music and show pictures at the same time...
00:02:02Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: The Nano's screen actually is more pixels than the X5 if I recall
00:02:19Paul_The_NerdPhR3aK: The X5 isn't, or the default firmware isn't? ;-)
00:02:20afruff23that's now what it's ahrd to imagine
00:02:29afruff23It's because of the number of buttons
00:02:50PhR3aKhm... ok, could be a firmware limitation too ;)
00:02:50Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Turn left/right, move forward, fire, and open, are the only buttons *necessary* to play Doom.
00:02:57centoshow about comitting this one? would be a cool feature for the dailys and extends funtionality of the wps.
00:03:00afruff23change weapon?
00:03:18Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: If you have autoswitch enabled, it's not *necessary* though it is welcome (and that's what the spare button is used for)
00:03:34PhR3aKmaybee prees a botton longer, to swich weapon?
00:03:43afruff23was there jump in doom 1?
00:03:46afruff23I forgot
00:04:06leftrightLinusN, any thoughts on the playlist catalog patch ?
00:04:17Paul_The_NerdPhR3ak: There's already a weapon switch button. I was just listing off the bare minimum. Actually, you could even get away without a move forward by hard-coding forward, though that would be awkward to play
00:04:29LinusNleftright: i haven't given it any more thought
00:04:32*amiconn has scary stuff pending...
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00:04:41Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: "Scary"?
00:04:55*Paul_The_Nerd jumps
00:04:56amiconnYes. asm-optimised ata writing...
00:05:03sneakumssign me up!
00:05:20Bgeramiconn any news about the ata timings ?
00:05:26davincihello, back and still downloading packages :)
00:05:31afruff23paul, what about strafing?
00:05:33Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Not necessary. Many people played the original Doom without even knowing that strafing existed. But it's possible on ones with more buttons than an iPod, and probably will be on the ipod if/when the scrollwheel is used for turning
00:06:06PhR3aKhm, maby a silly thought, but could you be able to listen to music while playing? *would be cool*
00:06:22PhR3aKplaying games
00:06:31Paul_The_NerdMost games yes... Doom is iffy though
00:07:00PhR3aKsry im german... what means "iffy"?
00:07:05Paul_The_NerdNot likely
00:07:18afruff23Wouldn't doom take a lot of space % wise especially for a nano?
00:07:19sharpeisn't actually a word either...
00:07:26sharpeit is.
00:07:27Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: What... 14mb?
00:07:48Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Wow... It *shouldn't* be a word
00:07:59herz42lostlogic: I just saw you have closed the task about scrollwheel acceleration in the tracker. But I can't live without it :(
00:08:02afruff23Oh, that's small. Does it have all the levels?
00:08:04sharpeon a 4gb nano 14 mb is .34%
00:08:15Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: It uses whatever doom .wad file(s) you already have.
00:08:21herz42I have just loaded the clean cvs build and the wheel is unusable for me...
00:08:24Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Doom 2 was ~12.9mb if I recall
00:08:31sharpei just so happen to legally have all of the wads, so yay me!
00:09:15Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I actually own 2 legal copies of each of the doom wads except Doom 1 (I only have one of it... two of final doom though, so it doesn't really matter). They just kept coming with things... like the special edition of Doom 3 on Xbox
00:09:27sharpeheh... yeah...
00:09:31PhR3aKare there any screens of rockbox in action, on a color display?
00:09:53Paul_The_NerdPhR3aK: Have you looked at the WpsGallery wiki page?
00:10:04Paul_The_NerdTry there
00:10:06sharpetowards the bottom
00:10:12PhR3aKk, thx
00:10:17webguest28The /screenshots/ page is a bit outdated some screen dumps of h300
00:10:38sharpewhat should i do...? anyone?
00:11:17webguest28amiconn: Did your commit fix the ATA read bug?
00:11:19sharpei've got nothing to work on :(
00:11:28amiconnwebguest28: yes
00:11:41afruff23so I have to own a copy of doom to put it on the player?
00:11:49lostlogicherz42: and the new stuff I committed isn't good as well?
00:11:49sharpelegally, yes.
00:12:00sharpeunless you use the shareware wads...
00:12:12lostlogicherz42: I'm not comfortable committing acceleration as an always on the way I had it... too 'personal'
00:12:26afruff23would the shareware wads be any different
00:12:29webguest28I believe there are free wads as well
00:12:41Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Well, the shareware wad is just the first episode
00:12:47sharpeyeh, you'd only get the first episode 'knee deep in the dead'
00:12:59Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: There's also Freedoom, which is a complete replacement for Doom 2.
00:13:22Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Curse you for making me edit my personal .diff again. :-P
00:13:35lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: what diff is that? Does it belong in CVS?
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00:13:57Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: No, it's just my compilation of "patches that I like" that included acceleration.
00:14:21herz42lostlogic: the wheel reacts too fast - and the first movement is to the wrong direction often
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00:14:51leftrightPaul, do you have the multifont patch in your build ?
00:14:52sharpeahah, another idea!
00:15:11sharpewait, nevermind...
00:15:34PhR3aKwhy is there already a screen of an x5 interface? is the developement so far?
00:15:42herz42lostlogic: did you think about including something like my BUTTON_REPEAT feature?
00:15:49Paul_The_Nerdleftright: I have no interest in the multifont patch. Primarily it's Doom, several other game plugins (Blackjack, Bubbles), the USB goes into Apple OS instead of hardware disk for iPod, and I enabled battery state showing.
00:15:51lostlogicherz42: link me
00:16:01sharpeawww... proposed feature : "One image file WPSes (using tar files)"
00:16:08Paul_The_NerdPhr3ak: You can make WPSes for the X5 using the Simulator
00:16:09herz42lostlogic: ??
00:16:11lostlogicoh, I remember
00:16:33PhR3aKok... thanks man
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00:17:09Paul_The_NerdPhR3aK: The While Playing Screen is very customizable, and easy to create your own as long as you can create the .bmps you need
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00:17:36hubbelany beta testers for the vmware image?
00:17:49herz42lostlogic: together with acceleration, that worked fine to make it stop at the end of a list
00:17:56PhR3aKnot bad... and is rockbox easy to translate in other languages?
00:18:01crashdhubbel: which vmware image?
00:18:08webguest28hubbel: I'll give it a shot, url?
00:18:16Paul_The_NerdPhr3ak: You might want to check to see if the language you want isn't already done.
00:18:36afruff23what is vmware?
00:18:39PhR3aKwhere can i check this?
00:18:44afruff23is it differnet from firmware
00:18:54crashdafruff23: it's virtualisation software that lets you run other os' at very near full speed
00:18:57lostlogicherz42: ah, yes, lemme see what I can do with that
00:18:57crashdin a different os
00:19:03crashdso like, linux under windows, or vice versa
00:19:12afruff23like virtualPC?
00:19:15hubbelcrashd: its a vmware image with debian with rockbox development environment configured and ready to go..
00:19:21crashdhubbel: ahh, fair dela
00:19:27sharpeor if you want to be cool, linux under windows under linux under qemu.
00:19:44crashdand so on, and so forth
00:19:45PhR3aKgreat, german is already aviable, man im even more excited about rockbox now :)
00:19:47Paul_The_Nerdhubbel: I'll try it.
00:19:56sharpei suppose i'll try it too...
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00:20:21sharpehe hath been given a name!
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00:20:23herz42lostlogic: I have to admit that I didn't integrated it so nicely. Just the functionality is neat.
00:20:26hubbelhum.. it's a 100mb zip.. any suggestions where to upload it?
00:20:42sharpebittorrent maybe?
00:21:01Paul_The_NerdThat's not really a "where" :-P
00:21:11sharpesuggestion for downloadage?
00:21:19lostlogicherz42: yo uactually made me find some bugs in what I committed today, I will fix that and probably add repeat.
00:21:22crashdtorrent is probably the easiest
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00:21:35sharpetwould probably be faster...
00:21:37hubbelcan you share a file with torrent if you're behind NAT ?
00:22:10sharpei don't know anymore... i just have this comp as the dmz host...
00:22:44lostlogichmph, lied, not a bug, just minor waste of instructions for _non_ wheel button interrupts.
00:22:50bepe86"I have four words for ya: ...yessssssss!" ~ Steve Ballmer
00:23:19PhR3aKafruff: got icq?
00:23:39x1jmpwhat does "crossfeed"?
00:23:44Zagorhubbel: here is a list of free file hosting services:
00:24:10x1jmpit's in the rockbox sound settings
00:24:14PhR3aKomg its so late, i didnt saw that he's already off :P
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00:27:03Paul_The_NerdYeesh, I remember when I first used Rockbox, a WPS would be like... 10 lines or less...
00:27:41herz42lostlogic: do you know what exactly (status & 0x40000000) checks for in the btn irq?
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00:30:00hubbelI'm uploading to lostlogic's server now.. only 2h left :)
00:30:23penchBagder: why did you leave CategoryFrontpage on ThingsTodo?
00:31:54herz42lostlogic: as the cursor already moves one line when just contacting the wheel, I asume that old_wheel_value is not reset to -1. If the new_wheel_value is not valid if bit30 is zero, wheel_delta will probably be not zero in the elseif case.
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00:37:13preglowbed time :/
00:37:43 Part leftright
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00:40:16penchB4gder: why did you leave CategoryFrontpage on ThingsTodo?
00:40:49B4gderI don't know
00:41:01B4gderI just scrapped a lot of old things and some got left
00:41:17B4gdershould be removed too of course
00:41:37penchWondered if you wanted it to be rebuilt or something
00:42:02B4gderI removed all old entries and found that there was none leeft, and then I decided to kill the whole page
00:45:05PhR3aKbye, and thx too Paul_The_Nerd
00:45:31Paul_The_NerdI try to be helpful. :)
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00:45:40lostlogicherz42: I did a bunch of debugging and found that to detect 'end of scroll' is done by getting a bit 30 set interrupt and a bit 30 unset interrupt sequentially with the same position
00:46:07davinciPaul_The_Nerd: and you are very successful on it
00:46:14PhR3aKyouve definive been ;)
00:46:25lostlogicherz42: still working on it more, didn't realize the issues I'd introduced. Also doing your repeat feature.
00:46:28PhR3aKyeah exactly davinci ;)
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00:46:59herz42lostlogic: but is your ipod also scrolling one line (to random direction) when you touch the wheel?
00:47:32lostlogicherz42: hadn't checked, but it doesn't surprise, I'm sure I made a mistake in detecting end of scroll.
00:47:48lostlogicwhich would cause it to scroll relative to your last touch when you resume touching
00:48:05herz42yes, that's how it looks
00:48:37herz42although it's somehow more like random direction :)
00:48:47lostlogichehe, nod
00:49:52*pench looks at and is surprised by a stray y on a line of its own
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00:50:12penchcompletely irrelevant of course
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00:56:47BHSPitMonkeyhey LinusN
00:56:56t0masB4gder: coding late ;)
00:57:11B4gderveeery efficient now :-)
00:57:22t0masyou look like it :P
00:57:27t0masthis big brother thing is funny man
00:57:45t0mascan't you get Contractor to put webcams in your and Linus' office?
00:58:09B4gderwe'll supervise linus from now on, the cam is here and we have no other usee for it :-)
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01:01:57lostlogicherz42: My code is essentially correct to detect wheel release... but if the last interrupt before release didn't trigger a wheel scroll event it doesn't work.
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01:05:23herz42lostlogic: just to follow - if queue is not empty, old_wheel_value is not updated and then wheel_delta becomes != 0 on release?
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01:11:07XavierGrhubbel: Did you finish uploading the file?
01:13:11lostlogicherz42: basically yeah
01:13:30lostlogicherz42: *sigh* I'm going to have to use more statics to solve this I believe :(
01:13:35lostlogicwell one omre
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01:14:12herz42lostlogic: I have just tried to omit the wheel_delta==0 check. What are the drawbacks?
01:15:29lostlogicherz42: just extra ram accesses... that's actually a good point, perhaps doing extra work on other buttons is a better solution than doing less extra work and being more correct on wheel accesses.
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01:18:25amiconn. . . . .
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01:18:55muesli__for i=0 to 5 print "." ?
01:19:07herz42lostlogic: I just didn't get why you can't always reset old_wheel_value if bit30==0
01:19:07XavierGrWhat are you reading Linus?
01:19:44B4gderpcf50606 data sheet
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01:19:48lostlogicherz42: you can −− just inefficient
01:19:58lostlogicherz42: wastes two memory accesses every button press that isn't a wheel
01:20:06lostlogicwhich is ofcourse a small percentage of all button accesses
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01:20:09XavierGrit is like a novell to him I guess.... ;p
01:20:35lostlogicXavierGr: read it several times myself
01:20:52pench(the butler did it!)
01:21:09XavierGrThen, when are you going to write to us what you learnt?
01:21:18XavierGr(code perhaps?)
01:21:55lostlogicXavierGr: turned out I was reading it for the wrong player at the time
01:22:04lostlogicbut I've used it to help me improving the i2c and adc drivers for ipod.
01:22:18lostlogicXavierGr: the h3x0 doesn't use the pcf50606 to charge, I thought it did at the time
01:22:22XavierGrlostlogic what daps do you have?
01:22:24lostlogicapparently the iAudio does
01:22:28XavierGripod and H300?
01:22:32lostlogicI have two broken H3x0s and a broken archos player
01:22:36lostlogicand an ipod 5g
01:22:50t0mastwo broken H300's?
01:22:57XavierGr2 broken H300s? Why is that?
01:22:58t0maswhy two? and how broken?
01:23:12XavierGrit has echo here
01:23:13lostlogicbecause I'm a failure at life.
01:23:29t0masthat breaks H300's?
01:23:32XavierGrpower fried or?
01:23:38B4gderthat's why he fits among us ;-)
01:23:39penchGood thing I don't own one then.
01:23:48*t0mas keeps his iriver away from his sister :P
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01:23:52lostlogichaha, I just have skills... fried one with a bad power adapter and one with a clumsy soldering hand
01:24:12Mikachunot possible to merge them into one working?
01:24:21Mongeyis the devcon still on?
01:24:46lostlogicMikachu: no the fried components are too hard to solder to each other's boards
01:24:54Mikachutoo bad..
01:25:05t0massend them both to iriver ;)
01:25:16t0mas"Hey, they both stopped working at the same time, is it a virus???"
01:25:17*amiconn is doing stupid things he isn't supposed to do
01:25:21t0masact like a n00b
01:25:27t0masmaybe they'll replace/fix it
01:25:36XavierGryeah, I don't know if you get them back though (even if they accept to repair them)
01:25:39Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Stupid... or advaaaanced?
01:25:55lostlogict0mas: because all n00bs have 2 broken H3x0s, 1 intl and 1 us that have obviously been taken apart ;)
01:26:01amiconnadvanced stupidity...
01:26:15t0maslostlogic: tell them your friend tried to fix them
01:26:17XavierGrI sent my defective (new) H300. I got it back still broken. I sent it over again and I am still waiting.
01:26:33XavierGrSpent 450euros on a player that I don't have for 2 months
01:26:54t0masXavierGr: send them a letter...
01:27:05t0masdemand a working player etc
01:27:37XavierGrwell I called them and at last the guy I talked said to me that he will send it back.
01:28:02XavierGrNow Let's see of they fixed it.... (he told me they did, but I ma not sure until I test it)
01:28:29herz42lostlogic: three flaws I have noticed in the charger/usb handling:
01:29:02XavierGrvmware image?
01:29:11herz421. backlight timeout is not updated after usb unplug -> stays on forever if it's static on when powered
01:29:29lostlogicherz42: ah, that_is_ a bug
01:30:07lostlogicherz42: in other news, I think I've made the button stuff do what you basically desire
01:30:10herz422. the debug runtime is not reset for power over usb
01:30:20lostlogicdebug runtime?
01:30:21penchhubbel: why not 7zip?
01:30:38hubbelpench: i like rar
01:30:42herz42yah, some unimportant item in the dev menu
01:31:03penchrar has no full Free implementation :-\
01:31:12penchAnd is inferior to 7zip afaik
01:31:18lostlogicherz42: and 3?
01:31:27penchAnyway, downloading as I speak
01:31:55B4gder7zip is amazingly good in fact
01:32:02B4gderat compressing
01:32:08herz423. with your latest changes, my ipod has switched to pause mode and immediately back occasionally when connected to the charger
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01:33:22XavierGrI tried JdGordon's coLinux image but I failed miserably. I can't guide myself there with out a basic GUI to make it see my network connection. I quit my attemp as soon as a realised that there was no cut and paste in the coLinux console
01:33:36herz42that happened 3 or 4 times now, but eg. not at all in the last two hrs. so it's hard to find out what causes it. Maybe the dock connected bit is not as stable as the external power bit (that I had chacked before).
01:34:08lostlogicherz42: didn't I change to the external power bit?
01:34:44herz42I think it's the 'dock' bit (the last time I looked at it)
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01:35:51Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I like your server. It took me less time to download the .rar than it did to install VMWare
01:36:05penchno fair
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01:36:15herz42lostlogic: just checked. It seems to be the correct ext pwr bit now
01:36:20penchETA 39:08 says wget
01:36:29XavierGr100mbytes file less time to download that install a program?
01:36:34Paul_The_Nerdpench: Took me about 5 minutes.
01:36:45XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: I hate you!
01:36:57penchPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, I have a small pen^W^Wslow connection
01:37:12XavierGrwho told me that he has 100mbit for 10 pounsd? I hate him too!
01:37:50lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: I like my server too, good to get some use from it for the $90USD I pay for it.
01:38:03Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Is that monthly?
01:38:08lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: yes
01:38:12XavierGrand the bandwidth?
01:38:13lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: root server
01:39:29Paul_The_NerdBe back. VMWare demands I reboot
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01:40:28***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:40:57t0masoh yes...
01:41:04t0masthat sucks, the vmware setup
01:41:14t0masit doesn't ask like "reboot now?" yes/no
01:41:21penchOh, haha
01:41:23penchHate those
01:41:23t0masit just states something like "click next to reboot"
01:41:38t0masand what's the thing you click by default in a wizard?
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01:43:34Paul_The_NerdNow to try this little thing out
01:43:45lostlogicherz42: ok, fixing the button and the first two power things, the last is going to have to wait ;)
01:43:46penchStill 70% left here
01:44:06lostlogicherz42: you're going to have to tell me how the performance of the buttons compares between current CVS and what I'm about to commit.
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01:44:26herz42lostlogic: I'll observe it :)
01:44:47herz42the button behaviour too...
01:45:28t0maslostlogic: terrible shot:
01:45:57t0mas(No, I'm not bored... productivity isn't < 0)
01:46:27lostlogicI'm itchy, give me a break :-P
01:46:48herz42t0mas: hehhh he is currently fixing my problems. That's a hard task to do ;)
01:46:48lostlogicherz42: hmm... brief discussoin here at devcon kinda says against the button_repeat change :( :-\
01:46:59lostlogicit doesn't matter to me personally, so ...
01:47:30Jungti1234Can I use the linux on the h300?
01:47:32herz42ok, if only the button handling allows a patch it's ok for me...
01:47:36Jungti1234It's possible?
01:47:38XavierGrwhere is [IDC}Dragon, Christi and Zagor?
01:47:40t0masJungti1234: ipodlinux
01:47:45t0massee #ipodlinux
01:47:46lostlogicchristi is hiding behind a monitor
01:47:50lostlogicand the other two are sleeping
01:47:54Paul_The_NerdMan, I always forgot that I don't have a floppy on this laptop
01:48:30Paul_The_NerdAlso, the "cvs login" step in the page seems to be unnecessary
01:48:36Jungti1234t0mas: now I use the webirc
01:48:38Paul_The_NerdApparently the image was built after a login.
01:48:51t0masJungti1234: you can still type /join #ipodlinux
01:49:11Jungti1234*** Access to channel #ipodlinux is blocked
01:49:18t0masoh, we should change that...
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01:49:49t0maswait a moment, lets see if I can... and ask if I'm allowed to...
01:49:56XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: What sort or image is it? I mean what distro?
01:50:13penchiriverlinux :-S
01:51:06Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Debian.
01:51:14Paul_The_NerdMan, definitely builds faster.
01:51:17Jungti1234hmm.. bye
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01:51:30XavierGrDoes i has a GUI?
01:52:13Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: It doesn't boot into one. I didn't check if there was one installed, but I don't think so
01:52:14hubbelXavierGr: no, its a minimal debian installation.. no gui
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01:52:44XavierGrcopy paste between windows OS then?
01:52:49penchYou can install one if you like, but for Rockbox dev, I don't see why
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01:53:15penchah, copy/paste, I do believe the vmware player allows this, yes
01:54:14hubbelpench: copy/paste is supported if you install vmware tools between windows <-> windows .. dont know about linux <-> windows copy/paste
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01:54:33t0masthe cgi irc client... it doesn't allow joining #ipodlinux
01:54:41penchhubbel: ah, okay
01:54:42davinciPaul_The_Nerd: cygwin is running now :D
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01:54:56t0masand it's somewhere in a dir I can't access...
01:55:07Paul_The_Nerddavinci: Good, good
01:55:18t0mas(/etc/cgiirc/cgiirc.config is the config file)
01:55:26t0masso you'll have to edit it :)
01:55:28XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: Can you make a time comparison between cygwin and vmware?
01:55:30pencht0mas: You should probably ask in #ipl before allowing it as well
01:55:39t0masyeah, I will
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01:55:50Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Not yet, as I have several patches on my normal Cygwin build that add significant time.
01:55:59Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: But I would *guess* that it takes about half the time
01:56:15penchamiconn did such a comparison
01:56:41penchHe's busy, it seems :D
01:56:44XavierGrdo you remember the results?
01:56:58penchMore or less what Paul said, iirc
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01:57:10Paul_The_NerdYeah, i think it was ~8 minute and ~3 minutes?
01:57:14Paul_The_NerdOr was that something else?
01:57:59davinciPaul_The_Nerd: where should unpacked files be placed?
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01:58:43Paul_The_Nerddavinci: The unpacked rockbox source files can go wherever you want them to. The important thing is just to be able to remember where they are, and easily cd to it
01:59:56*Paul_The_Nerd stumbles across a minor problem.
02:00:04Paul_The_NerdCan I access files in the virtual drive from windows somehow?
02:00:21penchPaul_The_Nerd: says yes
02:00:26penchtowards the bottom
02:00:40pench specifically
02:00:45davincicygwin is starting in /usr/bin. Those folders are the ones in the cygwin directory, right? So I have to place unziped files in the "linux" directory, and not just anywhere on hard drive
02:00:57hubbelPaul_The_Nerd: yep.. there's a file share on the image
02:01:20hubbelPaul_The_Nerd: lookup the ip it has.. and use \\ip\user
02:01:32Paul_The_Nerddavinci: You can place it anywhere. If you put it in C:\RockSrc\ then in Cygwin you could type "cd c:/RockSrc/" (note the /s not \s) and get to it
02:01:43t0masdoes VMware support linux -> windows dir sharing?
02:01:47t0masor only windows -> windows ?
02:02:16Mikachunothing should stop you from installing samba in the linux client
02:02:18hubbelt0mas: do you mean linux -> windows as linux as the virtual or host operating system?
02:02:26davinciWhat means "Go back to C:\Rockbox\ and double click on _RockBox.bat" in ?
02:02:29t0maswindows host, linux guest
02:02:36t0masas that's the system we're putting up now right?
02:02:48pencht0mas: it's just using samba in the guest, nothing vmware related
02:02:54davinciI saw that file only in the DevKit...
02:02:56hubbelt0mas: sure.. if you install vmware tools on linux guest (but it is a little hassle)
02:02:58t0masyes, I know it's like that now
02:03:00t0masthat's why I asked
02:03:12t0masmaybe that might be a good idea to install?
02:03:19t0masno need to lookup the ip then etc...
02:03:20penchThe player doesn't allow any of them, I believe
02:03:27penchfree player
02:03:31t0masah ok
02:03:34t0masnever used the player
02:04:32Paul_The_Nerddavinci: That step isn't done
02:05:31Paul_The_Nerddavinci: That should just say "Run Cygwin" and you should skip to Configuring Build (if you've already CD to where your source is extracted)
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02:09:52t0masare you playing with my buildtable? :)
02:09:58B4gderI am
02:10:01t0masah, I was at the same time
02:10:03t0masgood timing
02:10:23t0masyou found the server header I added?
02:10:24B4gderI have a new column coming up
02:10:34B4gdert0mas: its already displayed in the showlog script
02:10:41t0masI saw
02:11:22B4gdercheck the table now
02:11:26davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:11:26davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:11:26davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:11:26DBUGEnqueued KICK davinci
02:11:38t0masB4gder: you already added that a few minutes ago...
02:11:50t0masbut it looked awful when clicking
02:11:58B4gderwork in progress
02:12:04B4gderI made this with a separate script
02:12:08t0masah ok
02:12:17B4gderso when the builds trigger, it overrides my temporary work
02:12:19t0maswell... set a nice background color, and done
02:12:48lostlogicherz42: if you build your own, cvs up and try this button driver ;)
02:12:48CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:12:48*t0mas wonders why lostlogic's server is that slow...
02:12:58lostlogict0mas: my server is slow?
02:13:07lostlogictransfer or build
02:13:13herz42lostlogic: I'll do
02:13:14t0masI think the build...
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02:13:19t0mascan't see from there
02:13:36t0masbut it has a really lot of bandwidth...
02:13:44lostlogichmm... lemme check something
02:13:45*pench runs the vm
02:13:47B4gderhm, I could extend this to actually measure build times
02:13:56B4gderper build server I mean
02:14:15Paul_The_NerdMinor problem with the VMWare thing:
02:14:16lostlogict0mas: because my stupid backup script keeps being hanging
02:14:17Paul_The_NerdLack of "patch"
02:14:18t0masyes, shall I output that to the logs?
02:14:23t0maslostlogic: ok
02:14:24lostlogicI'm going to have to disable it till I get home and have time to fight with it
02:14:31t0masB4gder: I can print build time per build to the log
02:14:40penchMinor problem with the VMWare thing: It's not accepting keyboard input :-o
02:14:45B4gdert0mas: ah true, that could be neat
02:14:51Paul_The_Nerdhubbel: It seems you forgot to include patch, I think
02:14:57B4gderand I'll put it in the summary somehow
02:15:11sharpemy jaw... pops... a lot...
02:15:45t0masB4gder: for this to be usefull we need build and transfere time...
02:15:59*pench wonders what on earth is wrong with vmware
02:16:03davinciPaul_The_Nerd: any ideas what's wrong now?
02:16:22Paul_The_Nerddavinci: What problem are you having?
02:16:34B4gdert0mas: if we start with build time it might still show good numbers
02:16:36Paul_The_Nerdpench: Alt+G?
02:16:47penchPaul_The_Nerd: did that
02:16:49t0masB4gder: build only that is?
02:16:51t0masor total?
02:16:59Paul_The_Nerdpench: =/ It works for me.
02:17:05davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:17:05davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:17:05davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:17:12B4gderbuild only is more interesting to start with I think
02:17:12davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:17:12davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:17:12davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:17:18penchYeah, it's strange..
02:17:36davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:17:36davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:17:36davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:17:41davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:17:41davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:17:41davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
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02:17:48Paul_The_Nerddavinci: You don't need to paste it more than once...
02:18:06herz42probably he has tried four times ;)
02:18:10Paul_The_Nerddavinci: I really don't know about that one. That's outside my familiarity.
02:18:13davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:18:14davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:18:14davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:18:14davincibash-3.00$ dirs
02:18:14***Alert Mode level 1
02:18:15***Alert Mode level 2
02:18:15davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:18:16***Alert Mode level 3
02:18:16davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:18:18davincibash-3.00$ cd ../tools/configure
02:18:20davincibash: cd: ../tools/configure: Not a directory
02:18:22davincibash-3.00$ cd ../tools
02:18:24davincibash-3.00$ configure
02:18:26davincibash: configure: command not found
02:18:28davincibash-3.00$ dirs
02:18:32davincibash-3.00$ configure
02:18:34davincibash: configure: command not found
02:18:35sharpethat's a lot of trys...
02:18:38davincibash-3.00$ cd build
02:18:40davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:18:42davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:18:44davincibash-3.00$ dirs
02:18:44herz42hehe, that commands don't work on irq...
02:18:48davincibash-3.00$ ../tools/configure
02:18:50davincibash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
02:18:52davincibash-3.00$ cd ../tools/configure
02:18:53sharpereminds me of the energizer battery...
02:18:54davincibash: cd: ../tools/configure: Not a directory
02:18:56davincibash-3.00$ cd ../tools
02:18:57Mode"#RockBox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:18:58davincibash-3.00$ configure
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02:19:00davincibash: configure: command not found
02:19:02davincibash-3.00$ dirs
02:19:06davincibash-3.00$ configure
02:19:08davincibash: configure: command not found
02:19:10BoD[brb]i go to sleep now :)
02:19:14Kick(#rockbox davinci :B4gder) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
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02:19:15penchPaul_The_Nerd: working now after a restart.. strange
02:19:23BoD[brb]Happy hacking rockbox dudes
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02:19:37BoD[brb]good "night" :)
02:19:39Paul_The_NerdIs there any alternative to "patch" that I should be using, or is it just oversite that it's not included?
02:19:51lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: missing
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02:20:07*pench apt-get installs patch
02:20:32penchyay Debian
02:20:42aliaskWhat's the deal with the USB power situation on H300? Like can it charge while plugged into USB? Or even better charge while acting as UMS?
02:20:46Paul_The_NerdAaah, apt-get *install* patch
02:20:52hubbelPaul_The_Nerd: try apt-get install patch
02:20:58penchapt-get moo
02:20:59Paul_The_Nerdhubbel: Just did that. :-P
02:21:15davinciB4gder: sorry, I misunderstood a little bit what my irc program said...
02:22:29davinciPaul_The_Nerd: thank you for your help, I'll try it on my own.
02:22:30pencherp, keyboard issues
02:22:43davincigood night @ all
02:22:45penchHow do you change keyboard layout with Debian tools again?
02:22:55Paul_The_NerdApparently my files were modified 420 seconds in the future
02:23:01Paul_The_NerdAnd because of that it won't built
02:23:15XavierGrÉ see a lot of movement in Devcon ;p
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02:24:00MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: touch -R .
02:24:38t0masthis is going to be a long build if you commit something right now
02:27:41B4gderok, switched to my updated script now as it seems to work
02:27:47*amiconn will go to sleep now
02:29:15***Alert Mode OFF
02:29:23pench2 minutes to build a h120 build on a 1,3ghz laptop
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02:29:50pench(in vmware under windows, that is)
02:30:14XavierGrgoodnight Devcon!
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02:30:18penchLike's GUI? Then kindly stab your eyes with forks. :)
02:31:00XavierGrwhat will be the goodnight show tonight?
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02:32:45t0mashave a new night testing image for the cam? :)
02:33:03XavierGrI think they will leave it just like it is :(
02:33:30penchzip not installed in the vmware image
02:33:32penchthat's worse
02:34:31pench$ make zip
02:34:45penchxargs: zip: No such file or directory
02:34:49XavierGrfade to black@
02:36:28*t0mas stalks B4gder to get a better night image tomorrow :P
02:36:41BHSPitLappyoh noes
02:38:31penchYou don't have to find your IP to use the vmware samba share - \\debian works
02:38:56XavierGrwell goodnight all!
02:39:03XavierGrand happy Sunday!
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02:48:59penchhubbel: (for the logs) You might want to add to your instructions, that to change keymap, run (as root) dpkg-reconfigure console-data
02:51:11penchhubbel: and maybe put stuff like that in /etc/motd so it's showed on login
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03:06:22Paul_The_NerdIs there some way to scroll up in a terminal like that?
03:08:31Paul_The_NerdI swear I tried that
03:10:14penchKnow the feeling
03:10:39pench"That's what I just did... but now it works.."
03:10:59Paul_The_NerdAh well, that solves all my problems then
03:11:22penchNice, compiling z80.c really is amazingly taxing
03:11:27Paul_The_NerdI've apt-get zip and patch, I've moved over my patches and extra source files, and my basic scripts, and it's all good.
03:11:51penchMy whoe system just went *thump* when it hit z80.c
03:12:00pencha few minutes later, and everything's back to normal
03:12:16penchEh, half a minute more like
03:12:18penchif that
03:12:24penchit *felt* like a few minutes
03:13:08Paul_The_Nerdz80.c is pretty hefty
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03:17:44sharpehey everyone...
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03:28:02BHSPitLappyhow's the .wps going
03:29:04BHSPitLappywasn't that you
03:29:12sharpedoing what?
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03:29:42BHSPitLappythe zip viewer
03:29:49sharpeyeah that was me...
03:30:27sharpethe zip viewer's okay, haven't worked on it at all since... it's pretty much all i can do with it already, and the wps zip package idea failed
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03:33:43sharpei'm somewhat out of stuff to do right now...
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03:57:44afruff23why is the webcam covered?
03:58:04sharpethey're doing stuff...
03:58:17afruff23what exactly?
03:58:23afruff23aren't they asleep
03:58:23sharpecouldn't tell you
03:58:29sharpethat's what i would think
03:58:38afruff23I HOPE they're asleep
04:01:46penchThat's what they want us to think.
04:02:39sharpeyeah. in actuality, they're have a wild party...
04:05:21sharpeand they're not in sweden either. they're in antartica, living it up with those penguins.
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04:36:24mnhnhyouhhey all
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04:38:01mnhnhyouhis there anybody here who can help me get the build environment up and running?
04:38:47sharpeum... i may not be much of help, but i can try...
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04:39:32mnhnhyouhi have the cygwin environment installed, and have executed the first two instructions
04:39:44mnhnhyouhcvs login
04:39:51mnhnhyouhcvs -z3 co rockbox-devel
04:40:02mnhnhyouhand that seemed to work, with the folders appearing with their contents
04:40:04afruff23is the bootloader for the X5 working yet?
04:40:22sharpepretty sure it's been in the same state since last time afruff23...
04:40:22mnhnhyouhnow it is asking me to
04:40:23mnhnhyouh Make your way back to C:\Rockbox\, open the folder called Home and the folder called guest within that. Move your newly downloaded file into this folder (C:\Rockbox\home\guest)
04:40:44mnhnhyouhbut I dont have that folder, nor is there a file on my pc called _RockBox. bat
04:40:46sharpei don't recall doing that.
04:40:53mnhnhyouhi seem to have missed a step?
04:40:55sharpewhat instructions are you following?
04:42:11sharpehere, these may work better...
04:42:48sharpei guess you could just skip to number two
04:43:29sharpedon't think you'll have to do anything with # 4
04:46:24mnhnhyouhhmmm, looking.
04:46:40sharpesuppose just follow 2, 3, and 5 i guess...
04:46:49afruff23is there any advantages to MTP over UMS?
04:47:21sharpei couldn't tell you...
04:54:21penchabout the same as using a butterknife compared to a chainsaw for cutting down trees, I would imagine
04:54:39mnhnhyouhcheers, making away :)
04:55:03sharpei helped?
04:55:09mnhnhyouhyep, thanks a lot.
04:55:24sharpeheh, you're welcome...
04:55:28afruff23pench where you talking about my psot
04:55:29mnhnhyouhthere is still lots for me to learn so i can add patches, but we are progressing :)
04:55:29sharpefor once i guess i help someone
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04:56:36penchafruff23: yeah, I think (without knowing much about it) that it's just a limited, worthless protocol designed to inconvenience users in the name of "DRM"
04:57:26sharpehmm... suddenly glad i didn't go to sleep a while ago.
04:57:31mnhnhyouhdoesnt mtp also work with non-drm infected files as well? it is a way for you to have programs organise and transfer stuff for you. ums, i think, means drag and drop
04:57:57penchmnhnhyouh: thing is, the programs could do that with ums as well
04:57:59afruff23do WPS support custom ID3V2 fields
04:58:14penchafruff23: no, there's a patch to do it though
04:58:29penchMTP doesn't allow something that isn't possible with ums, afaik
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04:58:48mnhnhyouh@pench, I think you are correct
04:58:49penchBut yeah, you *NEED* programs to handle MTP devices
04:58:58afruff23The only thing it does better IMO is it streamlines the play count and rating transferring better
04:59:13afruff23talking about MTP
04:59:23penchThat's not by virtue of the protocol though. That's just because of the programs
04:59:48afruff23They should enfore a standard palycount and rating tag for files
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05:01:41penchid3 already have both
05:01:49afruff23yeah I know
05:01:55afruff23but not many adhererto it
05:02:01penchPCNT and POPM
05:02:18afruff23popularity meter
05:02:29penchis in fact the official name
05:02:34afruff23that's different from rating
05:02:44afruff23there's another standard one
05:03:13ashridahokay, correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't things like u_int32_t and whatnot supposed to be part of POSIX or some other common standard?
05:03:24ashridahi can't seem to find their definition in solaris :/
05:03:26afruff23popularimeter takes into account many things such as playcount, last time played, etc.
05:03:36sharpearen't they there for the simulator compatibility or something...?
05:03:55penchafruff23: it does not. It contains an optional playcount, and an email-address
05:04:10penchAnd there's, afaics, no rating tag.
05:04:16penchexcept this one
05:05:17penchLook it up yourself:
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05:15:22mnhnhyouhthanks again sharpe :)
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05:19:38midkaysharpe!! :)
05:19:45sharpei helped someone!
05:20:17midkayomfg, how?!
05:22:53sharpepointed him in the direction of setting up a dev enviornment
05:23:47midkaynice job! :)
05:26:08sharpei'm like really bored.
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05:32:43midkaysharpe, work on the wps package reader if you're bored. :)
05:32:53midkayand. haha at that link.
05:33:19sharpei just recorded ten minutes of me laughing...
05:33:25sharpei'm very productive.
05:34:14sharpethey were funny images...
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05:34:52sharpei sound differently recorded...
05:35:20sharpeeven my laugh does :\
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05:40:45midkayis it like. he he he he he.
05:41:28afruff23look at this MTP zealot
05:41:36afruff23go a page back
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05:43:44sharpeit's more like, a funny laugh...
05:46:01midkayafruff23, what?
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06:34:01[IDC]Dragonhehe, see that red dot on the cam?
06:34:33BHSPitLappyit brightens.
06:34:40[IDC]Dragonit's my mouse
06:34:41BHSPitLappyit darkens.
06:34:54BHSPitLappyflip on the infrared cam :D
06:35:27BHSPitLappyactually all you need is an IR beam pointed at you... grab the remote and shine a pulse function on your face!
06:36:16[IDC]Dragonthat's an RC
06:36:57[IDC]Dragonnot very bright
06:37:36BHSPitLappyfind a way to bathe the office in infrared light
06:37:45[IDC]Dragonit worked for one frame only
06:38:04*BHSPitLappy missed it then
06:38:12[IDC]Dragonno, I'm glad the cam is so insensitive
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06:38:26[IDC]Dragonso I can hide in darkness
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06:38:43BHSPitLappyset the update time to .03s or something
06:39:20afruff23did you guys see that link I psoted. The zealot is "Zeus's Uncle". He later sent me a PM saying I was biased and did not understand the protcols. LOL
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06:42:34afruff23protocols of UMS and MTP*
06:44:18afruff23rockbox developers! a SNIPER is aiming at you guys with a laser beam! DUCK!!!
06:45:02*BHSPitLappy ducks
06:45:50JdGordonhey all.. im back from w/e away.. how was devconf?
06:48:58BHSPitLappythere was an accident
06:49:11JdGordonwhat sort of accident?
06:49:14BHSPitLappyonly [IDC]Dragon is alive, and you can only tell by his blinking red nametag
06:49:32afruff23somebody tripped the circuit
06:49:44BHSPitLappyall the archos bricks rebelled
06:49:46BHSPitLappyit was horrible
06:49:49afruff23that''s an LED provding light in the corner
06:49:54BHSPitLappyand we all had front row seats to the carnage
06:49:56afruff23or LCD
06:50:29JdGordonLED??? all that light?
06:50:36JdGordona brightass mouse or something?
06:50:41afruff23LEDs or bright
06:50:53BHSPitLappyJdGordon: he doesn't mean the blueness over there
06:51:09afruff23no, I do
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06:51:34afruff23the red light is probably an LED too
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06:51:57sharpelast remnants of life at devcon.
06:56:16sharpei think i'm going to go to sleep
06:56:32sharpeg'night alive people.
07:01:10afruff23what's the patch for adding custom ID3 tag support to the WPS?
07:01:37afruff23as in non-standard ID3 tags
07:01:51afruff23Id3 v2
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07:17:06JdGordonis it possible to send an attachment with unix's mail program?
07:19:19FebsCan anyone tell me what the volume scale is on iPod platforms? (minimum, maximum)
07:26:10JdGordonany1 know how to scroll up/down in screen?
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07:28:50LinusNuuuuh, i'm too old for this.......
07:29:39JdGordonhey LinusN
07:29:43JdGordonhow was devcon?
07:31:06FebsLinusN sounds like a man in need of a strong cup of coffee.
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07:34:23B4gderwas? is!
07:34:39B4gderthe cam is mighty dark but we are here
07:35:51FebsApparently many years of staring at CRTs in the dark has given RB developers cat-like vision.
07:35:58JdGordonanything productive happen at devcon?
07:36:21B4gderquite a lot actually
07:36:43JdGordonis some1 gonna let the rest of the community in on the secrets?
07:37:36B4gderI'm sure we'll make a summary after today
07:38:03B4gderthe ReleaseTodo from yday is one result
07:38:20JdGordonsaw that.. looks good
07:38:25JdGordon:( no alarm on the h300 tho
07:40:15FebsIs the parametric EQ available on all platforms?
07:40:25B4gderall swcodecs
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07:40:40FebsBut not archos?
07:41:25*tayeb wonders how useful album art is in 4 greys
07:41:32*Febs goes back to working on chapter 4.1 of the manual.
07:41:38*JdGordon wonders how usefull AA is full stop!
07:41:54B4gderAA is eye candy big time
07:42:00tayebwell, if you have lots of screen realestate, it can't harm
07:42:08JdGordonbut we dont...
07:42:20tayeb(anything larger than h120 is lots, if you ask me)
07:42:25JdGordonwell.. we sort of do
07:42:47kkurbjunlinusn: is there a sequence of commands to tell the H300 lcd controller that the data coming to it is in a column rather then a row?
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07:43:42tayeb(anyone watching the Formula1 today might be interested in this little app:
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07:45:13JdGordonf1 in malaysia this week ye?
07:45:20JdGordonor was that last week?
07:45:30tayebThis week
07:46:01tayebin fact, coming up real soon now
07:48:46tayebMan it's dark at contactor
07:48:48LinusNkkurbjun: well, you can tell the lcd controller how the GRAM is orientated, end you can update it by column or by row
07:48:52tayeboh, not anymore
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07:50:18kkurbjunok, thanks, I was more curious then anything right now, I was just coming up with ideas to speed up doom
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07:54:02LinusNkkurbjun: well, you won't be able to control the lcd driver on that level
07:54:18tayebMan, there's a H100 optimized rockbox.. have they not learnt?
07:54:55kkurbjunLinusn: why is that?
07:55:23kkurbjunhave you looked at what I'm doing in the i_video.c for in the latest code?
07:56:46LinusNkkurbjun: because the driver api doesn't allow you
07:57:13tayeb"InfernoGuy: I don't have any problems with freezing up or crash of my player. Could you describe when your player freezes or crashes. Rockbox is still under development and not official released. I don't think the problems are related to my build."
07:57:19tayebsomeone clue this guy in, fast
07:57:25kkurbjunI can't just write directly to the lcd's address?
07:58:11LinusNkkurbjun: you *can* but you shouldn't
07:58:41LinusNthen you would have to have special cases for each and every lcd controller
08:00:19LinusNfor example, the x5 lcd driver is very special, and we don't want to duplicate that code in doom
08:00:19kkurbjunlinusn, yeah, I know but the general case stuff is already in there, I was thinking more along the lines of an asm routine for the drawing which is platform specific anyway
08:00:40LinusNthe drawing in the frae buffer?
08:01:32kkurbjunI see, right now I'm already writing directly to the lcd address for the h300, the code is in i_video.c, I should try a time demo without it and see what the difference is sometime
08:02:03kkurbjunnot I should say rendering rather then drawing
08:02:12kkurbjunrendering the doom display
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08:04:00kkurbjuneither way though it's not an issue yet as there's still some other features that I want to get in to the doom code before I'm considering or get to any heavy optimizations
08:04:48afruff23does this mean the X5 will never have a doom port?
08:05:38afruff23can somebody give me links to ABX tests of mp3 and wma at 128kbps or higher?
08:05:45kkurbjunafruff23, there is general code in the doom port that will work for any color platform off the bat
08:05:47afruff23ABX test results*
08:05:57afruff23ok thanks
08:09:44tayebNow make a grayscalelib version
08:13:25FebsDamn it. Somehow I managed to lose all of the changes I just wrote for the manual.
08:15:31Febsafruff23, look here for listening tests:
08:17:19afruff23I did
08:17:28afruff23that doesn't compare to other formats though
08:18:02afruff23I want a comparison of mp3 to wma
08:18:08afruff23not professional wma either
08:18:24afruff23never mind
08:19:48FebsDid you see the 'multiformat tests' section at the bottom of the page? And the links to 'external tets'?
08:21:28afruff23yea I jsut noticed that
08:21:34afruff23hence nvm
08:21:52JdGordonoh, has the quick screen been fixed again after it was fixed on friday?
08:22:25JdGordon..or thursday or whenever it was...
08:23:45JdGordon.. or even last sunday!
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08:50:58amiconnGood morning :)
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08:54:42afruff23Any progress on the X5 bootloader?
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09:13:43FebsGrrr. What I am doing wrong? I am trying to make a patch using this command: diff -u main-old.tex main.tex > patch
09:14:00Febsmain-old.tex is the original file, main.tex is the new file. They're in the same directory.
09:14:39ashridahwhat's happening?
09:14:52*HCl yawns
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09:15:19FebsThe output file seems to contain the entire original file, without the change I made.
09:15:35ashridahnewline type differences?
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09:17:57FebsThat was it.
09:18:08*Febs slaps himself on the head.
09:20:18*B4gder offers Febs the borrow the #rockbox head slapper device
09:20:42FebsLOL. OK, now that I have some clue what I'm doing, what's the protocol for changes to the manual. Should I just upload the diff files to the patch tracker?
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09:21:07B4gderFebs: yes please, if you're not talking to tucoz directly
09:21:54Acksawtired dragon?
09:22:25FebsOK. That's what I'll do. The patch I just did was more of a test run than anything else, but now that I have Cygwin running and have at least started to learn the TeX format, I can start to help out a bit more.
09:22:53B4gderI'll setup an automated manual build soonish
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09:24:27Acksawnice to see B4gder cleaning up LOL!
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09:24:47afruff23why are you guys so happy?
09:25:51[IDC]Dragonare we?
09:26:05[IDC]Dragonzombie alert!
09:26:13[IDC]Dragon2 more appeared
09:26:22CassandraHappiness is mandatory. Trust the Rockbox dev team.
09:27:24*lostlogic grunts
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09:28:51afruff23I saw linus smile when he was standing next to someone as if something big was accomplished
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09:29:18BHSPitLappyhola Zagor
09:30:14afruff23zagor can you tell us about any unplublished updates to the development of the X5 rockbox?
09:31:13Zagorwell, not really. it's progressing, but I have no specific details.
09:31:56Zagoras you can see from the release plan, it won't be officially supported this coming 3.0 but I gather we'll have it done well before 3.1
09:32:36afruff23Yeah I saw that page. Thankflly that ends around my warranty expiration :-)
09:33:30afruff23everyone's gone!
09:34:21Zagorwe went to check on the weather. the nice sunny morning suddenly changed into a snow storm.
09:34:27BHSPitLappywb, lone hero
09:36:53FebsCassandra, would you agree with me that for purposes of the manual, the parametric EQ should be in the "advanced chapter"?
09:37:49Febs"advanced chapter"/"advanced topics" chapter
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09:41:00Zagorhere's a new little feature to play with this morning...
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09:45:12tucozFebs, still around? Shouldn't that at least be mentioned where the Menus are talked about?
09:45:18tucozthe EQ that is
09:45:46tucozand a more detailed discussion (Q etc) some other place
09:46:29afruff23have you guys at the DevCon used the newest Cowon firmware for the X5?
09:46:33afruff232.10 Final
09:46:45afruff23which is the same as 2.10 beta 8 korean
09:49:04BHSPitLappygood action still
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09:50:14tucozIs BUTTON_OFF Stop on the recorder?
09:50:18Zagorafruff23: we generally don't care very much about the original firmwares
09:50:26Zagortucoz: yes
09:50:29afruff23I know
09:50:37Bgermorning :)
09:50:44tucozBUTTON_ON then?
09:51:05afruff23I just want you guys to amke sure that the rockbox firmware will not act badly to the beta firmwares from Cowon
09:51:06Zagorit's used for browse/wps swapping, and as shiftkey for pgup/pgdn
09:51:21JdGordon"Keymappings for applications to be based upon platform
09:51:22JdGordonindependent functions (eg next item, last item, up in heirarchy etc.)
09:51:22JdGordonwhich are defined in a single platform specific file. No #ifdef KEYPAD_*
09:51:22DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
09:51:22JdGordonstatements to remain." AWESOME :D
09:51:54ZagorJdGordon: yeah, if we manage to pull that off it will mean a lot less mess in the code.
09:54:36JdGordonis that not gonna be touched untill after release? or if its worked on it could make it in before the freeze?
09:56:01ZagorJdGordon: not likely
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09:58:23lostlogicafruff23: it generally doesn't matter to rockbox what versoin of the retailos the player has... the exception to this is that the H3x0 bootloader doesn't like to work correctly on US versions of the H3x0 firmware.
10:00:34tucozParty Mode. Yiehaa
10:00:58tucozJust what I needed :-)
10:04:12afruff23what is it exactly?
10:05:17Zagorafruff23: it's a mode that disables all the functions that interrupt playback. i.e. next, prev, stop, pause and play.
10:05:32Zagorinstead, when you play a file it is added last to the playlist
10:06:23Zagorthe idea is that you can then leave the player unattended at parties without having people change or inadvertedly stop the music
10:06:52[IDC]Dragonthen you'll need a password lock
10:07:28Zagornah, it's not that kind of a lock.
10:10:12afruff23sorta like party mode for mediamonkey
10:11:08afruff23but how would you unlock it?
10:11:18afruff23combination of buttons?
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10:15:14safetydanafruff23, I assum you'd just go in to the menu and disable it
10:15:17safetydanassume even
10:15:21Zagorsafetydan: exactly
10:16:03BgerJdGordon where are you reading this ?
10:16:15tucozOff topic, does anyone know howto make flash not steal keyboard focus when the mouse pointer moves over a flash item?
10:16:30JdGordonBger: where as in location? or which monitor? or ..?
10:16:31CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:16:31*[IDC]Dragon learns the wav codec dance
10:16:39midkaysomeone should add custom x,y text positioning to the WPS.. e.g. %a|x|y| :) shouldn't be very hard..
10:16:41Bgerlocation :)
10:16:52JdGordonhome of the commonwealth games :p
10:17:18tucoz[IDC]Dragon, is wav new for the MAS targets?
10:17:20B4gdermidkay: we want the full viewport concept
10:17:24*JdGordon couldnt give a stuff about the games, btw
10:17:27Bger10:51AM <JdGordon> "Keymappings for applications to be based upon platform
10:17:31midkayB4gder, what exactly?
10:17:44midkayB4gder, how would viewport relate to x,y alignment
10:17:57B4gdermidkay: defining "boxes" to a specific position
10:18:03Febstucoz, regarding the EQ, yes. My thought was to put a brief description in chapter 4 where the other sound settings are discussed, but to keep the details on using the EQ in the "advanced topics" section.
10:18:17B4gderand have regular wps stuff like text etc within such boxes
10:18:21midkayB4gder, what about just alignment sans endx/endy coordinates? .. it'd be nice until viewports are done..
10:18:23JdGordonBger: ye?
10:18:35B4gdermidkay: no, it would not be good
10:18:36tucozFebs, sure. I agree :) As long as it gets in the manual I am happy. :-)
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10:18:43midkayB4gder, ah, makes sense. ;)
10:18:57BgerJdGordon which location are you reading this at ?
10:19:08[IDC]Dragontucoz: yes
10:19:15JdGordonOOHH.... now i get ya.. the dev mailing list
10:19:25JdGordonhaha... bloodye nglish aye?
10:19:29Febstucoz, are you going to be around later in the day? I need to get some sleep (4:18 AM here) but now that I have Cygwin running and some understanding of Tex, patching, etc., I would to chat some more about the manual.
10:19:46midkay[IDC]Dragon, wav is working on the archos?
10:20:02tucozFebs, btw, there will be added some options later, like button macros, and some other target specific options
10:20:29tucozFebs, I'll be around. I'll log out now, but check the logs now and then to see if you are around
10:20:30midkay[IDC]Dragon, we demand an on-camera demonstration :)
10:20:46FebsSounds good. Goodnight all.
10:20:52midkaynight Febs
10:21:38tucoz[IDC]Dragon, cool. Multi-codec is true for the old MAS'es as well then :-)
10:22:05tucozor maybe they already were (mp2,mp3 ?)
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10:29:37amiconnyay! :-)
10:29:53*amiconn seems to have fixed the nasty ata write bug
10:30:09midkayamiconn, on-camera cheeer!!!
10:30:12*amiconn is going to commit that soon.
10:31:48safetydanLooks like I'll need to redo my file copy benchmarks soon
10:31:58Zagormeeting time
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10:35:50JdGordonoh, its only sunday for u ppl isnt it?? is the conf still going? or was uit just yesterday?
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10:37:54paulheuHi there.. Need some help with fonts
10:43:36safetydanJdGordon, yeah it's still Sunday for us Euro's
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10:44:49JdGordonmmm.. party mode sounds good
10:44:56Jungti1234I completed Rockbox wikipedia in Korean translation.
10:45:57Jungti1234Are all Devcon participants sleeping?
10:48:15paulheuI guess
10:48:40midkayJungti1234, no.. meeting off-camera..
10:48:41paulheuI've been trying to fix this *&@#& font issue
10:48:46midkaypaulheu, what is it?
10:49:24paulheuI installed the multifont patch, when I enter settings teh font always goes back to sysfont
10:49:38paulheuand returns to the set font when you cancel or exit
10:49:55Jungti1234ah,, no
10:49:57paulheuI guess it's an easy fix, but so not know where to find it
10:49:58midkaypaulheu, ah, no idea.. either way i doubt you'll like the patch.. i've heard that the disk spins up each time you enter a new menu because it has to load the font into memory each time..
10:50:02midkayJungti1234, what?
10:50:48midkaypaulheu, i have no idea, but .. have you set the menu/"sys" font to be what you want it to?
10:51:46paulheuYeah.. for now it's all nimbus-12 except for the sysfont of course, but that is where the problem is.. Guess I will take the patch out again for now..
10:52:04paulheualthough it's not a real big probelm..
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10:52:49ep0chIs it just more or does the iPod scroll wheel work the opposite way in the WPS than in menus? Scrolling clockwise in menus scrolls down, but scrolling clockwise in WPS increases the volume.
10:53:23midkaypaulheu, have you figured out how to set the sys font?
10:53:31safetydanep0ch, I'd say that's deliberate
10:53:35midkayor are you just not sure? it's called multifont, so you must be able to set seperate ones. :)
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10:53:41Kummerclockwise for both seems about right to me
10:53:59midkayep0ch, would it make sense to scroll backwards to increase the volume?
10:54:20midkayas scrolling forward increases your position in the menus downward, it increases the volume in the WPS..
10:54:31paulheuYeah.. if I choose a system font using 'browse fonts' it will override all with that one, but still nogo..
10:54:44midkaypaulheu, hm, no idea then.
10:54:51paulheuI'll just remove the patch and see if the problem goes away to be sure it's not soemwhere else..;)
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10:55:26ep0chbut visually you are scrolling down in the menu
10:55:45ep0chnot increasing your position
10:56:06midkayep0ch, from a coding standpoint, you are increasing your position..
10:56:19midkaye.g. you're 1 item down the menu.. you're two items down.. etc.
10:56:20ep0chyeha i can understand that
10:56:59midkayep0ch, you really think it would make sense to scroll backward to go down a list? or scroll backwards to increase the volume? you can look at it as inconsistent, but it's of course natural.. it works the same exact way in the apple firmware.
10:58:23ep0chto me it would be natural that clockwise in the menu scrolls down (as is), but clockwise in WPS would decrease volume
10:58:44safetydanWhat does the apple firmware do?
10:58:51Kummerapple works like rockbox
10:58:59Kummerep0ch, if it really bothers you, change in apps/gui/gwps.h
10:59:13midkayep0ch, that would be "consistent", but you really think it would make more sense?
10:59:15Kummer#define WPS_INCVOL BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD
10:59:25Kummerswap those, and voila, backwards volume
10:59:38ep0chyeha i'll give it a go
11:00:45midkayep0ch, also, in the settings menu.. increasing settings is scrolling forward (e.g. sound settings -> volume) - you propose changing that too?
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11:02:16zoneoutis there an audioscrobler plugin for rockbox (ipod)
11:02:19midkayep0ch, haha. i'm glad you're not high-up on the dev team.. :)
11:02:32midkayzoneout, no(t yet).
11:03:02zoneoutmidkay: is there anyway to get rockbox to record what you've been listening to?
11:03:18Kummerep0ch, apps/gui/select.h, #define SELECT_INC #define SELECT_DEC
11:03:31Kummerthose control settings menus. Anyway you know where to look now.
11:03:49midkayzoneout, no, that's most of the job in giving rockbox audioscrobbler support. you can make it via coding it to, of course, but there isn't any code in place for that yet.
11:04:14safetydanThere is the runtimedb but I'm not sure what state that's in at the moment
11:04:43zoneoutmidkay: cool... any idea when it'll be ready/
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11:05:30midkayzoneout, no ETA... such a feature isn't really "planned" or being worked on.. but that kind of thing tends to happen spontaneously :)
11:06:04zoneoutmidkay: sure...
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11:08:34ep0chKummer: thanks
11:09:09ep0chdefinitely seems more natural to me anyway, probably my dyslexia showing
11:09:36midkayep0ch, -probably +definitely
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11:10:17safetydanHrm... file copy speed has gone from 1.84 MByte/s to 6.41 MByte/s on iRiver
11:10:23safetydanthat's without the optimised write too
11:10:23Kummerthe number of users who want backwards volume is so small that it's not even worth exposing as a configuration option, but of course the whole point of free software is you can build the source however you want
11:10:56leftrightsafetydan, any thoughts/progress on the playlist catalog patch ?
11:11:29safetydanleftright, I was hoping Shebb would magically reappear with his improved version :)
11:12:12leftrightno he's dissapeard into college, doubt we'll see him for a long time, according to his post
11:13:11leftrightcollege in america is very emanding i gather, all those woman and beer to study
11:14:40Jungti1234 - What's this?
11:14:48safetydanI haven't looked at it further as I have been working on other bits. I don't think the status of the patch has changed for a while
11:15:27safetydanJungti1234, possible design for new input system I think
11:15:36leftrightno it hasn't, I think its up to you or hardeep, and there is no sign of hardeep either
11:15:45Kummerep0ch I just built a backwards volume rockbox for my ipod nano. it works fine.
11:15:49Jungti1234May I add Korean to it?
11:15:55nudeli'd be cool if the keyboard on the ipod wrapped to the next column when you scroll off the bottom with the wheel.
11:15:59safetydanJungti1234, go ahead
11:16:04ep0chKummer: and its more natural too :D
11:16:41Kummerwell on paper it sounds horrible but now that I'm actually running it that way, I find that I don't mind
11:17:37ep0chgood good
11:18:25midkayi will NOT be taken to the dark side here..
11:18:41leftrightsafetydan, well thanks for looking into it.
11:19:19safetydanleftright, it might be easier to do it in stages... like first add a menu entry to append the current track to a playlist on disk rather than the otf playlist
11:19:35safetydanThe other thing is the feature freeze coming up
11:19:52ep0chgo on try it, you know you want to
11:20:12leftrightsafetydan I think that any progress on this parch would be well recieved,
11:20:13midkayep0ch, no. NO. you can't make me.
11:20:33KummerI should point out that I didn't mind the forwards volume controls either
11:20:38midkaybackwards-volume-control users are lusers. backwards-volume-control users are lusers. backwards-volume-control users are lusers. *repeats in head*
11:21:01ep0chhangon what are you trying to tell me?!
11:21:06Kummeranyway where is that lostlogic, I've been playing with ipod nano battery display
11:21:25midkaybackwards-volume-control users are lusers, but not all lusers are backwards-volume-control users.
11:21:27leftrightsafetydan, thats why I'm hoping something will be committed before the freeze, so that it doesn't die
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11:21:54KummerI copied like three lines from config-ipodvideo.h into config-ipodnano.h and as far as I can tell the battery display works, and it doesn't _seem_ to harm performance or power usage any, so I'm wondering why this isn't in the CVS yet
11:22:22midkayKummer, i think the batteries are different capacities so the display would be inaccurate for the nano..
11:22:44Kummerit's done with voltages that are mapped to percentages
11:23:03Kummerand, the voltages don't seem too far off between the two
11:23:09midkayKummer, maybe voltages are different on the nano as a result of a different capacity battery?
11:23:12midkayi'm not sure either..
11:23:14Kummermore specifically, I noticed some top-end inaccuracy
11:23:25Kummerlike, anything above 90% just displays as 90%
11:23:38safetydanleftright, I doubt it will die since LinusN likes it. It just needs someone motivated enough to do it right.
11:23:43Kummerbut down in the 20-90% range it is a dead ringer to the official firmware's battery indicator
11:24:06KummerI haven't tested below 20% yet because, well, you can only drain the battery so fast playing music :)
11:24:17safetydanKummer, you should talk to Paul_The_Nerd, he's got the battery display working on his nano
11:24:25leftrightcan I send you a bottle of motivation :)
11:24:30Kummerthanks safetydan
11:25:02safetydanleftright, ha... I'm going a way for a month soon so I won't be able to work on it unfortunately
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11:25:38safetydanKummer, you can compare notes. I think he's basically done the same thing you did.
11:26:24leftrightah, well perhaps someone else will look into it, thanks anyway safetydan
11:26:33Kummerit's clear lostlogic did a lot of the nano groundwork already, I'm just wondering why he didn't put in those last three lines
11:27:14safetydanKummer, it's possible that he doesn't own a nano so can't test things like that
11:27:33Kummerbut you are at the conference, there are plenty of nanos around!!!
11:28:06safetydanWell, I'm not at the conference.
11:28:30safetydanBut lostlogic is so you should ask if he can look at it
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11:38:13fairwaywhere can I get ipod colour skins?
11:39:13JdGordonB4gder: do u want another comp for the build servers?
11:39:31JdGordonis the script smart enough to only send a job to the comp if its actually on?
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11:42:23JdGordonwho did the party mode patch?
11:43:19safetydanJdGordon, Zagor comitted it
11:43:38JdGordonits got a yukky bug
11:43:54midkayJdGordon, ooh. let's hear.
11:44:40JdGordonif u have "ask to overright dynamic playlist" set it will show that screen before adding the track.. it shouldnt..
11:46:27JdGordonand unrelated... whoever "fixed" the quickscreen last week broke it on the h300...
11:46:38midkayJdGordon, i think that was me :)
11:46:41midkaywhat's wrong?
11:46:54JdGordonit looks terrible...
11:46:57midkayalmost done with another update to it, but .. haha.
11:47:00midkaythat's all? :)
11:47:36JdGordonoh, sorry... just checked it again.. i tinhk it was missing the cursor icons or something.. seems to work ok now.. looked betetr before tho
11:48:12midkayJdGordon, agreed @ looking better before.. i think it should look pretty good with my new update though.
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11:48:29midkayquite similar, but still resolves the bug that was present before i touched it at all
11:50:16fairwaywhen recharching my ipod keeps constantly re-booting
11:54:27Genre9mp3Hi all...I'm trying to compile my own version...I installed cygwin selecting all components needed (as guide said), downloaded a bleeding edge build but when I type configure in tools dir. I get this: "bash: configure: command not found"... What's wrong? Am I missing something or propably I made a bad cygwin install? Thanks in advance...
11:54:45Sinbiosyou need the configure package
11:54:52midkayGenre9mp3, it needs to be "../tools/configure".
11:54:55midkaynot just "configure".
11:55:10midkayfrom your build-dir, that is.
11:55:17Genre9mp3I type this in tools dir.
11:55:24Genre9mp3Isn't the same?
11:55:27midkayget to the source dir.. no.
11:55:39midkayrockbox-daily-whatever/ ?
11:55:57midkaycd into there.. then mkdir build - cd build - ../tools/configure.
11:56:04midkayyou want to run the configure script from the build dir.
11:56:19KummerGenre9mp3 cygwin is not like DOS. If you actually want to run the configure script from the tools directory you type ./configure
11:56:27Kummerbut, you don't want to run it from the tools directory
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11:56:45Genre9mp3ok...thank you...I'll retry now...
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11:58:33Genre9mp3It works...Thank you very much for your help
11:59:35JdGordonhow do i do a search through all files in a folder for a line? and let it tell me which file/line it is at (on linux) ?
11:59:58Kummergrep -r "line of text" directory/
12:00:17Kummerfor case insensitive search, grep -ir
12:01:45Kummeroh if you really want the line numbers displayed, grep -nr (or -nir etc.)
12:06:06JdGordonZagor: u der?
12:06:34bluebrother^JdGordon: if you only want that folder and not to be recursive leave the "r" out.
12:06:49leftrightthey're having brunch I think, there's nobody in big brother
12:06:52Genre9mp3Great!!! :-) I just compiled my very first build!!! Again...Thanks for the instant help!
12:07:09JdGordonthanx Kummer and bluebrother^
12:07:19Jungti123416x4 is so small.
12:07:36leftrightgenre9mp3, were the instructions unclear, if so do you think they should be changed ?
12:08:22Jungti1234Korean is more need.
12:08:41Genre9mp3The instructions were clear enough, it was my misunderstanding...
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12:09:18chamoishi all
12:09:28chamoisi wonder how to build sim under linux
12:09:32leftrightthanks, i think I'll try it myself sometime
12:09:47chamoisi got undefined reference
12:09:59chamoishow can i install sdl ?
12:10:00Jungti1234oh.. Are they sleeping continuously?
12:11:00bluebrother^chamois: what distribution do you habe?
12:11:44bluebrother^you need the *-dev package.
12:12:16chamoisi installed that: SDL-devel-1.2.9-1.i386.rpm
12:12:24bluebrother^I don't know the exact name, on my fedora box it's called "SDL-devel", Debian uses -dev instead of -devel
12:12:26chamoisit is not enough
12:12:34bluebrother^you installed a rpm on Debian?
12:12:47Kummerbad idea
12:12:55bluebrother^try apt-get SDL-dev
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12:18:11bluebrother^hmm, debian seems to call the package libsdl-dev, not SDL-devel
12:18:13bluebrother^try searching with apt-cache.
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12:19:12chamoisi am searching
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12:22:08Kummergoogle seems to suggest apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev
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12:25:26paulheuWhere can I find more info on part mode?
12:25:32paulheuparty mode that is?
12:25:59chamoisi get this error : dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/libsdl1.2-dev_1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-4.1_i386.deb (−−unpack) :
12:25:59chamois tentative de remplacement de « /usr/bin/sdl-config », qui appartient aussi au paquet sdl-devel
12:26:04chamoisany idea
12:26:06JdGordonparty mode just disables all the playlist keys (so u cant seek, change track, stop play), and when u try adding a new track it adds tot he end
12:26:35bluebrother^chamois: can you tell this in english?
12:26:40paulheuAh.. Ok that's cool..
12:26:57bluebrother^LANG=en_EN apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev
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12:27:10bluebrother^I don't speak french ...
12:27:47bluebrother^but I guess you need to remove the sdl-devel rpm first.
12:29:50[IDC]Dragonphew, we're done
12:30:08[IDC]Dragonthrough the agenda
12:30:15Jungti1234hello guys
12:31:36[IDC]DragonLinusN prepares for a soldering session
12:31:37crashd[IDC]Dragon: you guys gonna put up notes from the conf? :)
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12:32:23Jungti1234He lifted table.
12:32:31JdGordonhahah.. such a bunch of geeks !
12:33:04B4gdersoldering coming up
12:33:13B4gdertime to redirect the cam for a better view
12:33:22ZagorJdGordon: i guess party mode should queue it rather than insert, right?
12:33:44Jungti1234nice B4gder..
12:33:49ZagorI'll do that
12:33:53JdGordonbut i was making it not show the damn warning screen
12:34:03JdGordonque next...
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12:36:08Zagori hate firefox for not having a "show in browser" option for files
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12:36:54Jungti1234hi muesli__
12:37:30*[IDC]Dragon redirects the camera
12:37:31muesli__high Jungti1234
12:38:04Jungti1234They are busy.
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12:40:14Zagorlive surgery
12:40:29B4gderintroducing... soldering online, lesson #1
12:41:27B4gdernow kids, ask a parent before you try this at home
12:41:40Mooswhat he will solder? :)
12:42:00B4gderan iPod serial cable at least
12:42:01*JdGordon has X working on colinux :D
12:42:04JdGordonsdl is next
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12:43:17chamoisamiconn's head
12:43:28MoosSalut Chamois
12:43:35*preglow does the lovely weather dance
12:43:40Jungti1234Solid bottom plate of '3M'
12:43:53crashdi want sun ;\
12:44:56preglowwhat's the surgery going on?
12:45:29crashdopen heart surgery on LinusN
12:45:36B4gderremoving regulator on an ondio
12:46:56JdGordonB4gder: u want another build server?
12:47:09B4gderyes please!
12:47:16JdGordonnot 24x7 tho.. but its almost alwyas up
12:47:30JdGordonis the script good enough to not send it a job if its offline?
12:47:46B4gderI believe it is
12:48:03JdGordonalrighty then... what do i need to do?
12:49:27B4gderJdGordon: start here:
12:49:44B4gdert0mas: here?
12:49:44Jungti1234Rockbox T-Shirt?
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12:50:27preglowaren't they purdy?
12:51:44Jungti1234I found it just.
12:53:01t0masB4gder: showering ;)
12:53:31Jungti1234I want to have those T-shirt one. :)
12:54:06B4gdert0mas: stop doing that and help JdGordon get his server going :-)
12:54:22*JdGordon installing sdl
12:54:30t0masyeah, I was showering... don't have a keyboard in the shower yet :P
12:54:48JdGordonwhy not?? u can get those plastic waterproof ones..
12:54:57t0masyeah, would be cool...
12:55:06t0massee privmsg for setup instructions
12:56:58crashdhehe yeah
12:57:04midkayB4gder, cool :)
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12:57:28B4gdercropping, scaling and adding name tags and then we could put it somewhere
12:57:42t0maswho's the one next to linus? (on the left)
12:57:46t0masbrandon? or the mistery guest?
12:58:12t0masthat's christi
12:58:24B4gderbrandon, linus, björn, christi, jörg, daniel, jens
12:58:38crashdleft from right?
12:59:06t0maslostlogic: you're looking more like my age... especially next to Linus ;)
12:59:06Jungti1234welcome with a smile
12:59:22B4gdergrandpa linus
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12:59:37t0masL*nusN... don't hilight him ;)
12:59:52B4gderhe's busy soldering now
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12:59:55Moosin the faces this is Jens apeared older for me
13:00:15t0masyes, but Linus is bald...
13:00:24t0masB4gder: what player is being totured there?
13:01:11Moosis there already the backlight chip in this Ondio?
13:01:12*Jungti1234 laughs.
13:01:30t0masis live internet surgery a first timer?
13:01:37t0maswe should e-mail some papers :P
13:01:44Mooshehe :)
13:02:16Jungti1234They disappeared suddenly.
13:02:25midkaythat can't be an ondio..
13:02:35Moost0mas : aren't you wrinting in PC review?
13:02:39midkayit's not. :) no way..
13:02:46lostlogict0mas: how old are you?
13:02:49midkaymaybe an iaudio..
13:02:49t0masMoos: Pc-Active
13:02:52t0maslostlogic: 17
13:03:01Moosmidkay: where?
13:03:04t0masin exactly 1 month... 18 :D
13:03:08midkayMoos, on the table..
13:03:12midkayor you mean in the webcam?
13:03:13lostlogichah, guess I stll look pretty young then..
13:03:13midkay*goes to check*
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13:03:23*Moos saw ane Ondio
13:03:30t0maslostlogic: or just... not that old ;)
13:03:32midkayah. never mind. :)
13:04:19Moost0mas: go write one Rockbox review in PC-Active then ;-)
13:04:26Moosa bit of propaganda
13:04:28t0masghehe, they won't accept it
13:04:40Moosjust kinding :)
13:04:42t0masbut I can write about modding ipods I guess... because that's more mainstream
13:04:59t0masso if we have an ipod release, I can try to write about that
13:05:12Jungti1234There is toxicity with the picture.
13:05:30t0masbut hey... I'm normally doing security related things... SSH with privkey, rootkits, secure e-mail, bufferoverflows
13:05:31MoosJungti1234: uh?
13:05:34t0masare the last subjects
13:05:41Moosah ok
13:05:41Jungti1234I am looking at continuously it.
13:05:45midkayturn the camera!! we wanna see the screeeen.
13:05:57Mooshaha :D
13:05:58B4gderthe screen?
13:06:07Moosat left
13:06:10midkayprojector.. um.. output?
13:06:20B4gderthat's just showing the image capture program
13:06:28B4gderrather boring
13:06:39midkaylooks like flyspray.. i'm wrong i suppose? :)
13:06:53B4gderthe list on the right that you can see are the file names of the captured images
13:07:04MoosB4gder: is the Ondio LinusN is soldering have the backlight chip soldered yet?
13:07:13B4gderI don't know
13:07:18B4gderI think it is Jens' unit
13:07:20Jungti1234Don't seem well.
13:07:32t0masbrb, time to get my breakfast :P
13:07:36t0masat 13:07
13:07:43MoosB4gder: then it have propably
13:07:56Jungti1234t0mas: lunch?
13:08:02midkayB4gder, so they're being saved? or is it just a list, no content?
13:08:03Moosbon appétit t0mas
13:08:14Jungti123413:07 is..
13:08:22B4gdermidkay: they're being captured and uploaded and deleted
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13:08:29midkayB4gder, haha. ah.
13:08:44B4gderthere's 12 per minute
13:08:47B4gder50K each
13:08:56Jungti1234I want to see animation(video).
13:09:07B4gderJungti1234: then start collecting the images :-)
13:09:21t0masB4gder: it's just 35 Mb per hour
13:09:24t0masnot that shocking is it?
13:09:33JdGordonhow long do the cvs build servers take for each build (actual, not avg time for each?)
13:09:43t0mas60 seconds
13:09:51t0masbut some are way faster
13:09:54midkayB4gder, 600k/min.. 36mb/hr.. 864mb/day.. ~2000mb/conference. that's not so bad. :)
13:09:54t0masand others are slower
13:10:10B4gderstill, we don't
13:10:34JdGordonhmm... maybe might not be soo good adding me then
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13:10:52Jungti1234poor surroundings
13:11:09B4gderJdGordon: why not?
13:11:28JdGordoncolinux... the sim build just took about 2 min...
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13:11:49B4gderJdGordon: you use ccache?
13:11:51JdGordonactually prob a bit more...
13:12:04JdGordonye, just installed it tho..
13:12:05skwadhmmmm just tought there was a fix for the enterkeypad under cygwin :-(
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13:12:17aliaskt0mas: are you April 19th or 20th?
13:12:49aliaskAh damn
13:12:53aliaskYou are 1 day older than me
13:13:21t0masnow I feel really happy... not the yougnest here
13:13:31aliaskJust browsing the logs and I saw that, thought it was interesting... Time for sleep...
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13:13:37aliaskGlad to be of service t0mas.
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13:14:30t0mashmz... in autralia... what date is it there today?
13:14:31crashdohh, it's my birthday soon too \o
13:14:54crashdmay 6th
13:14:58crashdsoon enough, anyway
13:15:17t0masisn't autralia like 1/2 day before CET?
13:15:18safetydant0mas, March 19th still... depending on where in Australia
13:15:21crashdbut im not quite as young as these whippersnappers
13:15:34safetydanEast coast of aus is +10 on average
13:15:48t0masso they're before us?
13:16:11t0masso his birthday is 1 day after mine... but that day starts there half a day before here :)
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13:16:43t0maswell... anyway... brb... breakfast :)
13:17:55JdGordonwhy the hell isnt .bashrc being run on login?
13:18:06ZagorJdGordon: you're not running bash?
13:18:12JdGordoni am
13:18:27JdGordoni tinhk
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13:18:34crashdyou've got a syntax error somewhere?
13:18:48oboJdGordon: debian?
13:19:10obocheck in .profile to see if it's being called?
13:19:15webguest33Hi all. I have seen that there is progress on x5. Is there already a bootloader?
13:19:47B4gderwebguest33: well, almost
13:19:55B4gderbut rockbox doesn't build for x5 yet
13:19:56 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.")
13:20:00B4gderso there's nothing to start
13:20:30webguest33B4gder: good news... thanks
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13:21:13preglowmy nano is really bloody unstable now
13:21:16safetydanx5 seems like a popular target, so many questions about it today
13:21:17JdGordonobo: new user i created manually...
13:21:21preglowanyone else having it?
13:21:27preglowdata aborts at every corner
13:21:31crashdpreglow: which build you using?
13:21:40oboJdGordon: did you copy the files from /etc/skel ??
13:21:51preglowbrand new, with some of my own stuff, but i don't think it should affect anything
13:22:04*crashd makes a note not too install bleeding edge today
13:22:06bluebrother^obo: usually this should happen when creating the user ...
13:22:12preglowi'll try a daily
13:22:21bluebrother^on my box .bashrc is sourced by .bash_profile, not .profile
13:22:22Kummerhuh? I just built a cvs nano two hours ago, with some of my own stuff, and it's never been better
13:22:22Jungti1234They are watched to us. :D
13:22:26obobluebrother^: <JdGordon> obo: new user i created manually...
13:23:10bluebrother^ok, missed that.
13:23:26JdGordonyippe :D it works
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13:24:52obobluebrother^: ah, .profile and .bash_profile here - guess that's what you get if you keep updating since 2002 :)
13:25:11preglowooook, it seems i have some bug hunting to do before i commit
13:25:22crashdproblems in your patches preglow ?
13:25:37preglowyeah, probably backlight fading
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13:25:51crashdoh! didnt know you'd got that working on pod targets
13:25:56preglowi have
13:25:58crashddid you have to use modulation?
13:26:00JdGordon"copy public key to .ssh directory" ?
13:26:02preglowwell, yeah
13:26:10preglowi have no idea if it supports any hardware fading
13:26:34preglowlostlogic: love your clickwheel work
13:28:09preglowbut ok, i have enabled backlight fading on ipods, do i really have to bump the config block version for all targets to make it work reliably?
13:30:04amiconnWe have no per-target config block version
13:30:29preglowright, so i have to bump the config block version for a one target feature
13:30:37preglowor just ask people to reset their settings
13:31:16HClsounds like that should be changed
13:31:28preglowit'll happen again, that's for sure
13:31:53HClor like, write a system to "upgrade" a config block from an old to a new version
13:32:00preglowto big a bother
13:32:03preglowthere are too many combinations
13:32:22preglowyou can just save your config file and load it
13:32:24preglowthat does that
13:32:25amiconnThe issue will vanish when we switch to using a .cfg file for the current settins
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13:32:32HClamiconn: sounds good
13:32:39preglowamiconn: will we?
13:32:44amiconnI think so
13:33:02preglowshall i just ignore the issue for then, then?
13:33:09HClas soon as i get home i'll dig into porting vexed :)
13:33:15amiconnJust bump the version, I'd say
13:33:20preglowwill do
13:33:27*B4gder agrees
13:33:31preglowi also got a really strange bug
13:33:37preglowi get a data abort at the very start of the uie handler...
13:33:57preglowand also at exception vector 4 ...
13:34:15preglowand it's a fact, that address is not fetching anything unaligned, it's impossible
13:34:22preglowso there's a bug in the exception handling somewhere
13:35:34JdGordonyay, sdl sim is working under vnc and colinux :d
13:37:48safetydanwow, Christi's tearing through the bugs
13:38:13*t0mas is back
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13:42:46*Zagor is setting up a git repository
13:43:30preglowsounds like a retirement home
13:43:34HClas replacement for cvs or?
13:43:35*B4gder silently announces that we did go through the entire agenda here
13:43:47*[IDC]Dragon logs off
13:44:13midkaysee you [IDC]Dragon - wave for us! :)
13:44:13ZagorHCl: as a test, yes. we're looking at either subversion or git.
13:45:42PapricaDevs: may i commit tetrox?
13:45:55HCli know subversion, never heard of git though
13:46:05Mikachuit's what linux uses
13:46:06HClwhat are the benefits of subversion/git over cvs?
13:46:11safetydanHCl, it's what the linux kernel guys used
13:46:11HCluh.. bitkeeper?
13:46:23safetydanthey haven't used bk for a while now
13:46:24HCldoesn't linux use bitkeeper?
13:46:25ZagorHCl: git replaces bitkeeper
13:46:36HCli hated bitkeeper
13:46:38safetydanLinus got sick of the license sniping I think and wrote his own
13:46:45HClsounds good to me
13:46:46MikachuHCl: larry said 'you can't use bk anymore haha!'
13:46:54Mikachuand linus was like oh shit, and he wrote git in 3 minutes
13:47:03HClsounds sensible to me
13:47:08HCli never thought bitkeeper to be a good idea
13:47:18HClclosed source and all, or it at least appeared that way
13:47:24safetydangit is a different scm paradigm from svn though so it'll take some adjusting
13:47:32elinenbefor real... what is the super news that's coming out of devcon?
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13:47:43Zagorapparently it really made linus' life a lot easier with regards to patches, which is a problem we are faced with too.
13:47:44XavierGrshit I lost the surgery!
13:48:15Zagorelinenbe: we've mostly done a lot of talking. lots of good stuff has been decided. like a release schedule.
13:48:30PapricaLinusN, Zagor, amiconn, [IDC]Dragon, someone, may i commit tetrox?
13:48:49ZagorPaprica: does it replace rockblox?
13:49:07Zagorwith shiny graphics and cool soundtrack? ;-)
13:49:39Papricasoundtrack no, but nice graphics IMO
13:49:52*amiconn would prefer to keep the horizontal aspect, at least on archos
13:50:11Papricaamiconn, did you try it on archos?
13:50:20amiconnNo, not yet
13:50:28ZagorPaprica: commit it
13:50:28midkayPaprica, btw.. i tried it for iPod.. for what it's worth i think spinning the block by scrolling the wheel is a bit touchy and annoying..
13:50:48amiconnBtw, I still have rockcalendar in here from testing it. Did you get my remarks?
13:51:01ZagorPaprica: i assume you've fixed the ipod nano compile issue?
13:51:21Papricaamiconn, yes, but dont have time to work on it
13:51:28PapricaZagor, yes
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13:51:56Papricamidkay, do you have another key maping for the ipod?
13:51:59JdGordonany1 know how to get vncserver going when the system boots up? (as a user, not root? )
13:52:09elinenbeZagor: you missed on the schedule "speed up rockboy a bit"
13:52:53midkayPaprica, for the 4G pad.. menu currently "restarts" the game which IMO is a bit useless.. i'd suggest menu being flip the block.. keep everything else the same.. do away with restart for the 4G pad, or make it select+play perhaps?
13:52:55stripwaxJdGordon - isn't there some vncserver config that defines the user it runs as?
13:53:05Zagorelinenbe: :-)
13:53:23JdGordonstripwax: i dunno.. thats why im asking
13:53:51elinenbeZagor, LinusN: what's the current status on the iAudio port?
13:54:07Papricamidkay, i think that i need to hear another comments about the key maping before i change it
13:54:21oboJdGordon: su username -c vncserver in a custom init script?
13:54:44elinenbearen't you moments away from a working X5?
13:54:54midkayPaprica, feel free to wait.. i just think that spinning the block intentionally is a bit hard to get it in the right orientation.. and you tend to spin it unintentionally as well when moving your fingers around to move the block..
13:55:01B4gderelinenbe: from a bootloader, yes
13:55:08B4gderbut not from a rockbox
13:55:28B4gderthe playback code doesn't build on x5 yet for example
13:56:10safetydanWhere's langv2 on the realease map?
13:56:14safetydanrelease even
13:56:27B4gderwe need it to get sensible strings
13:57:09safetydancool. I must have missed it on my first read
13:57:18B4gderit wasn't there then :-)
13:57:34B4gderwe figured out we had missed that in our discussion yday
13:58:26safetydanlousy wiki pages always changing after you read them
13:58:35preglowis there something missing with the eq before it can be released?
13:58:44preglowi can only think of a couple of things
13:58:59skwadJens is doing some nice stuff with reading / writing disk speed ^^
13:59:08MikachuPaprica: fwiw, i like using the scroll for rotating tetris blocks..
13:59:16elinenbewhat is the current status with tagcache?
13:59:53Bgeramiconn: 1)what happened with the ata timings on iriver; 2) should i be "scared" by the ata write ?
14:00:03PapricaMikachu, the current key mapping?
14:00:34safetydanpreglow, I was wondering about that too
14:00:37amiconnBger: You shouldn't be scared. It underwent quite some testing.
14:01:08Bgerand regarding 1) ?
14:01:19amiconnI have the ata timing changes applied locally, but we need to make sure we don't exceed the ata specs, and that means connecting the logic analyser
14:01:28amiconn(which I can't do myself)
14:02:05Bgersome work for linus, then ;)
14:02:44MikachuPaprica, midkay: but my scroll wheel is less sensitive than cvs, if you only turn on every third event or so it should improve a lot
14:03:20midkayMikachu, blast you! ;) Paprica, hm, a potential compromise?.. move "restart" to Select+Play (how often do you need to do that anyway?..) and map Menu as an alternate block flip..
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14:04:06safetydanB4gder, was there any talk of a font that will be roughly the same visual size on all targets?
14:04:12Papricamidkay, ok you right
14:04:19safetydanWould make it easier to do a relatively resolution independant interface.
14:04:28safetydanwell... easier
14:04:44midkayPaprica, you lose no functionality, but it just makes playing a bit easier (IMO of course).. the scroll wheel just seems to be too touchy.. spin a little, doesn't move.. spin a bit more, you've done 3 rotations.. try to spin back.. etc
14:04:46LinusNelinenbe: i have enough to build a bootloader
14:05:00LinusNall i need now is an application to load
14:05:02midkayPaprica, yay :)
14:05:14LinusNunfortunately, rockbox doesn't yet build for the x5
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14:05:49XavierGrBger: What happened with the zoom thingy?
14:06:28Zagorsafetydan: no. we're reather aiming at making more things font independent
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14:07:05Zagoryeah, lunch
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14:07:36XavierGror launch as I say :)
14:07:44[IDC]Dragona late lunch
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14:07:59Massa1Hi everybody!
14:08:31safetydanI still think we need a font of known size on all targets. What is the eq graphical screen supposed to do if the user's picked a font for the UI that's too large?
14:08:32muesli__tacho Massa1
14:08:43*safetydan watches devs leave
14:09:01preglowso no idea on what the eq needs before release?
14:09:01safetydanThis web cam is more effective than an away message
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14:09:22safetydanpreglow, if you look at the web cam, no one's in front of their screens any more
14:09:23XavierGryeah we must install one in each dev home
14:09:29preglowi wasn't just asking them
14:09:46Zoide7777any news on tagcache or grayscale lib for ipod 4g grayscale?
14:10:03preglowgrayscale lib for ipods is closer now
14:10:04safetydank, things I know are problematic with the eq, 1) precision of coefficient generation, 2) the UI isn't scaled for anything other than h100
14:10:07Massa1I just came back from a trip which lasts a few days - so I'm not really informed on what goes on here! So how is devcon going ;) ? Any big changes?
14:10:08preglowsince timer.c is ready
14:10:15Zoide7777preglow: awesome :)
14:10:20linuxstbPaprica: FWIW, I agree with midkay about the Tetrox button mappings on ipod. Ignore the scrollwheel, use MENU for rotate and forget about restart.
14:10:54XavierGrMassa1: Some nice commits and a release schedule!!
14:11:12midkaylinuxstb, maybe we need an option - there will probably be a bit of disagreement..
14:12:38Massa1I already saw the release schedule and also had a look at the commits - nice stuff :)! Are there any other things which are currently not in "CVS quality" on which the devcon member work behind the scene?
14:13:42midkayhm, one potential solution that may work nice - initally disable the scroll wheel for rotation, but still scan it - if it's spun around once fully at any point (e.g. 4-6 input events?..).. then enable the usage of the wheel for rotation permanently for that session..
14:13:44safetydanasm ata write seems to make no different to file copy speed
14:14:23preglowit should
14:14:24midkayavoids accidental rotation for MENU rotators.. and still very easily allows touchwheel rotators to jump right in without any combinations to enable the wheel or whatever..
14:14:30preglowif you mean locally on the player
14:14:35Massa1BTW, I still have some a small and unimprtant problem with my H300 non LCD-remote (which I hoped to be fixed lately - but it isn't)
14:14:42safetydanpreglow, yeah locally with my cut/copy/paste patch
14:14:50safetydanI think I've hit the drive speed limit
14:15:07preglowsafetydan: and yeah, we need a prescale
14:15:20safetydanafter the read patch it went from 1.8 to 6.4 MByte/s, I guess it can't go faster
14:15:20Hansmaulwurfuh, where can i find the new "party mode"?
14:15:22safetydanpreglow, ah yes
14:15:23Massa1The detection of the remote Hold button does not work 100%...
14:15:30preglowand perhaps bandwidth instead of Q
14:16:05preglowyeah, i need to think of something fancy for that
14:16:06BgerXavierGr i'll look into it tomorrow maybe
14:16:21skwadHansmaulwurf : in the playback settings
14:16:24safetydanwell I have some spare time soon so I should look at making cordic do what we want
14:16:34preglowsafetydan: that would be sweet
14:16:56safetydanI know it can be made to hyperbolic functions along with circular and inverse circular
14:17:05preglowyeah, that would be completely sweet
14:18:06safetydanno promises though, this is stretching my limited recollection of trig from university maths and my fixed point skills :)
14:18:15skwadfor what do you use hyperbolic functions ?
14:18:48safetydanskwad, the equation for the relationship between bandwidth and Q in the equalizer requires sinh
14:19:00skwadok, thx
14:19:02Hansmaulwurfsorry, cant find it skwad
14:19:17Hansmaulwurfor is it only in the last bleeding edge build?
14:19:26skwadHansmaulwurf : I think so
14:19:31Hansmaulwurfhm ok
14:19:57preglowi think a better resampler should be a release goal
14:20:06preglowbut i can't promise i'll be able to do it
14:20:31safetydanWhat about the guy working on improving crossfeed?
14:20:53safetydananything come out of that lately?
14:21:14preglowthat too is all up to me
14:21:19safetydanbusy man
14:21:21preglowthe algo is complete, but i haven't had time to do it
14:21:40preglowit'll also be a bit tricky to optimise
14:21:44preglowit needs to be asm
14:22:07preglowwe need more dsp people :>
14:22:30safetydanHow many do we have, you and?
14:22:58preglowjlo is a dsp guy, but i don't think he's a coder
14:23:01Mikachumidkay: i'm at level 10 with 212 removed lines and 124380 points... :)
14:23:15midkayMikachu, wow :)
14:23:23Mikachuso scroll wheel works fine
14:23:32midkayMikachu, your reduced version? :)
14:23:52Mikachui thought the wheel was generally too sensitive a while ago, i changed the delta checks in button.c from 4 to 10
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14:24:24BoD[]Hello :)
14:24:24midkayif you want a testimonial.. i was playing a game a few nights ago of tetrox.. it was piling up, finally i got the I brick that i really needed, but the scroll wheel flipped it twice when i only wanted it once, and i ran out of time.. it caused me to lose.
14:24:37midkayhey BoD[]
14:24:47BoD[]are they sleeping?
14:25:01midkaywith PCs/lights on? doubt it :)
14:25:07BoD[]ah !! wow
14:25:11BoD[]did they sleep at all???
14:25:21*Paprica just commit tetrox
14:25:30midkayPaprica, did you hear what i said earlier?
14:25:32midkaythe suggestion
14:25:40Papricai change the mapping
14:25:51midkayafter that, about scroll wheel "detection"..
14:26:08Papricaoh no
14:26:14midkayPaprica, <midkay> hm, one potential solution that may work nice - initally disable the scroll wheel for rotation, but still scan it - if it's spun around once fully at any point (e.g. 4-6 input events?..).. then enable the usage of the wheel for rotation permanently for that session..
14:26:22midkay<midkay> avoids accidental rotation for MENU rotators.. and still very easily allows touchwheel rotators to jump right in without any combinations to enable the wheel or whatever..
14:26:29midkaysounds _perfect_ to me..
14:27:15Papricathis is the mapping now
14:27:56midkayPaprica, that sounds fine - but i think detecting the scroll wheel is a better idea if you were up to it.
14:28:20midkayno "accidents" with people who prefer MENU; no combinations/toggles for the wheel preferers.
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14:29:39Papricai'll think about that, i dont have more time today for rockbox things, i have a test tomorrow at the school
14:29:49Papricai need to learn =]
14:30:03midkayPaprica, that's cool - i can try it tomorrow myself if you don't mind.. :)
14:30:16Papricatry it and send a patch
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14:30:33JdGordonZagor: can u change party mode to get it to que next.. not que last?
14:30:43midkayPaprica, or commit it myself? :)
14:30:46JdGordonor add the choice as an option?
14:30:58Papricayou have commit access?
14:31:19midkayPaprica, no, give me your account name/pass ;) j/k, yes, i do
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14:32:02Papricaok so commit it if no one against it
14:32:05skwadis it possible to use variables in lang files ?
14:32:21safetydanskwad, yeah sort of with sprintf
14:32:33preglowwell, yeah, but that's a fixed variable set in the c file
14:32:34linuxstbMikachu: Don't you think the scroll events are the wrong way round for Tetrox? i.e. rotate right should be scroll forward.
14:32:51midkayPaprica, it sounds very good to me.. i can't imagine any complaints
14:33:16skwadbecause there are some strings with written : press on to accept and off to cancel, but when you dont have on / off buttons ....
14:33:26preglowskwad: that'll be fixed in langv2
14:33:58skwadso I should wait a little bit to update a lang file, no ?
14:34:18preglowno, update the lang file, but use ON and OFF instead of what they're truly called
14:34:27linuxstbmidkay: I would be happy if you removed the scroll support completely, so I wouldn't complain about such a commit.
14:34:32preglowjust follow the conventions that are in there alrady, even though it's not correct
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14:35:28skwadpreglow : but these are player specific, aren't they ?
14:35:29midkaylinuxstb, right, my goal would be to effectively remove it for us elitist menu rotators.. but still allow it to be used for people who prefer it that way.. you shouldn't notice its presence unless you intend to use it, ideally.
14:35:38Mikachumidkay: 200380 :)
14:35:46Paul_The_NerdWhat's this about removing scroll support?
14:35:53midkayPaul_The_Nerd, for the tetrox plugin..
14:35:56Mikachulinuxstb: no i think they're right
14:36:39Kummeroh hey paul
14:36:42midkayPaul_The_Nerd, currently scrolling left/right rotates the brick.. some seem to prefer it that way, me and linuxstb prefer menu to flip the block.. so i proposed reading the scroll wheel and when a few events from it stack up, enable its usage.. (disabled by default)..
14:36:47safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, do you have battery reading working okay on your nano?
14:37:02Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Ah, okay. I just saw "removes scroll support" and was all thinking of other things.
14:37:11Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: It seems pretty reliable, yes
14:37:21Mikachulinuxstb: you rotate the finger in the same way the piece rotates..
14:37:22midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah, i'm also set out to kill scroll support in the menus, yes.. problem? :)
14:37:42preglowwheel is still set to rotate?
14:37:44Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I was just trying to figure out what you meant by "elitist menu flippers"
14:38:00midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha. are you a menu flipper or a scroll flipper?
14:38:16safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, do you think the battery settings should be enabled in CVS for nano?
14:38:23Kummerpaul_the_nerd: I pasted some lines from config-ipodvideo.h into config-ipodnano.h in a naive fashion and the battery indicator seems to mostly work
14:38:25Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: If I played, I'd be a menu flipper. I need *one* button to flip, and it needs to rotate 90 degrees in one direction every time.
14:38:29safetydanSomeone was here earlier wonder about that
14:38:31midkayif you're a scroll flipper (rotator).. you're just too pathetic to understand the ways of the menu flippers. :)
14:38:31safetydanthere they are
14:38:47Mikachui really like this way of flipping, i always have trouble with the one-button approach
14:38:48Kummerthere's some very slight inaccuracy in the endpoints near 0% and 100% but othe than that it seems fine
14:38:55midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah, good. i was worried for a moment. :)
14:39:03Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Definitely. There is an issue that at "full" charge, it can show anywhere from 90% to 100%, but I think that's because the reading just isn't very accurate. The apple firmware seems to be the same way
14:39:18Mikachuanother thing is that level 10 is much too easy, but that's for later :)
14:39:26Paul_The_NerdKummer: Yeah, the apple firmware seems pretty inaccurate anyway, though.
14:39:58midkayi can actually vouch for that 90% thing, now that you mention it - i never see my ipod 5G at 100% - even after an overnight charge, apple OS always shows one level down from max..
14:40:26safetydanwell, now we just need to get lostlogic to commit it then :)
14:40:40Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Anyway, 5865 *seems* to work fine as a scale factor, though I believe the batteries are like, 330mah so the menu where you set the capacity can't even go that low. ;-)
14:41:10KummerI actively experimented with other scale factors and didn't find any other ones as good as 5865
14:41:35midkayPaul_The_Nerd, 330mah, really?
14:42:02Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yep. I've even found services that'll replace 'em with a 400.
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14:42:36midkayPaul_The_Nerd, nice.. i guess that the menu should be changed to go that low, then?
14:42:47linuxstbMikachu: Yes - rotating the wheel clockwise (i.e. forward) should be rotating right... But it rotates left.
14:42:49Kummeryou can measure the increase in battery life under 400 and use that to estimate the capacity of the original battery
14:42:57stripwaxwow, the 5g uses just 330mah batteries?! how long do they last between charges in practice?
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14:43:08Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: No, the Nano uses 330
14:43:08Kummernano not 5g
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14:43:13stripwaxah! oops
14:43:23*stripwax shuts up
14:43:35KummerI get about 9 hours battery under rockbox
14:43:56hypno2hey there, just letting you guys know that the devcon webcam doesnt seem to be working correctly at this moment
14:44:26hypno2keeps refreshing every 5 seconds, but no image is loaded
14:44:45midkaymaybe taken down?
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14:45:28KummerI wonder if the 1GB and 2GB nanos have different batteries than 4GB
14:46:01Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, right now the Nano uses the 1300MAH define, which I'm not entirely too sure about since even though most of the values seem to work, seems like it'd cause confusion.
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14:46:32midkayPaul_The_Nerd, you mean the display is scaled to work with 1300mah?
14:46:49Mikachulinuxstb: that's odd... maybe i changed it then
14:47:42midkayPaul_The_Nerd, in other words.. lowering it would throw off the displayed value?
14:48:21KummerI raised it all the way up to 3200mAh and the percentages didn't change noticeably
14:48:31Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I really don't know. I'm not sure what raising and lowering the value in the menus changes, honestly. I think it just changes what it estimates as "Time Remaining" but I'm not sure
14:49:00midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah, maybe that's right - i know it changes that, but i'm not sure about the displayed value..
14:49:17midkaydisplayed value being icon/%
14:49:27Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'm just referring to #define CONFIG_BATTERY BATT_LIPOL1300 in the config-ipodnano file, as a seemingly bad name.
14:50:02Kummernot to mention the ipodbatteryfaq website claims nanos use Li-ion, not polymer
14:50:46midkayPaul_The_Nerd, right, i'm talking about lowering the min limit in the MAH selection screen to select the appropriate value for other batteries (in this case iPods).. but i'll leave it alone for now, since i'm not sure how the system is setup for display and what changing the mah value will do exactly
14:52:09Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, at the moment it's not a matter of urgency anyway. Since the estimated time remaining is probably way off either way
14:52:21midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha, yes :)
14:52:39Paul_The_NerdAs a note, how do I set the date/time at the command prompt in linux? This vmware machine seems to be a little bit in the future, and complaining every now and then after a cvs update.
14:52:44Mikachuthe apple website also says nanos use li-ion iirc
14:53:01Kummerrdate -s -p
14:53:01Mikachuit talks about charge cycles and not being emptied completely not being a problem etc
14:53:19Mikachuyou shouldn't use that server... it's not polite :)
14:53:26Kummeroh sorry
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14:53:30Paul_The_NerdKummer: no rdate. It's a very minimal debian installation. Also, I guess I need to set the time zone.
14:53:57MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: ln -s /usr/share/timezone/correctfile /etc/localtime
14:53:58*Paul_The_Nerd is weeding out various problems with the vmware rockbox kit.
14:54:09Mikachuthat should be zoneinfo
14:54:12Mikachunot timezone
14:54:13Kummerdate -s "Mar 19 08:53:43 EST"
14:54:19Kummer-s meaning set
14:54:40Mikachuit should get the time from the host correctly though
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14:56:57Paul_The_NerdMikachu: It's possible it's just in the wrong timezone that's causing it.
14:57:17Mikachuif the minute and seconds then it's just the timezone
14:57:59Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Actually, it couldn't be... because the complaint was always that the files were about 420 seconds in the future.
14:59:33Paul_The_NerdYeah, I just rebooted it, and it set its clock from my system clock for 18 minutes in the past...
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15:00:46MarcoPolowhere is the sncviewer plugin located on rockbox cvs ?
15:00:57oboPaul_The_Nerd: tzsetup
15:01:01Paul_The_NerdI don't believe sncviewer is included in CVS.
15:01:08MarcoPolowhere can i find it then ?
15:01:21Paul_The_NerdThere's a patch for it in the patch tracker, I think
15:01:27Paul_The_Nerdobo: Tzsetup isn't present.
15:01:28MarcoPolothanks !
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15:02:30obodoh - tzconfig
15:04:17Mikachuwho is and what are you doing?
15:04:36Paul_The_Nerdobo: Not present either.
15:04:47preglowi want smaller backlight fade times :/
15:04:58Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: What's the lower limit?
15:05:06preglowwhich is a bit too long
15:05:22Mikachudo you have ipod fading going yet?
15:05:31Paul_The_NerdYou can't just half the number of steps or anything?
15:05:38Paul_The_NerdIf it's that fast, how flickery does it look?
15:05:57preglowit's fine on all but the longest times
15:06:11MarcoPoloPaul_The_Nerd: i can't find the patch in the tracker
15:06:12preglowit isn't flickery, it the fade just looks a bit stepped at the longer times
15:06:26preglowi get the strangest bloody crash addresses evetr
15:07:17nudelmy mobile phone flickers when it fades the light down
15:08:01Paul_The_NerdMarcoPolo: I dunno then. Maybe they haven't submitted it to the tracker for some reason.
15:08:35Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: What makes the lower limit a limit?
15:09:45preglowPaul_The_Nerd: nothing
15:09:51preglowthe times are preset
15:11:39preglowthere's something decidedly funky with my build indeed
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15:12:47preglowit crashes at the oddest addresses
15:13:02Moosskwad: around?
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15:13:57preglowit crashes a lot in the jpeg viewer
15:14:05pregloweven with my fade code disabled
15:14:37Paul_The_NerdSo, something else is broken?
15:15:40preglowi think i've got an idea...
15:15:45preglowtwo, actually
15:15:47preglowlet's pray it's that
15:17:19preglowahh, praised be the lord
15:17:34preglowmy memtest16 is buggy
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15:18:16*preglow summons amiconn
15:18:28preglowforget it, i found test_mem again
15:18:45sharpespongebob is flying!
15:18:56preglowtoo much lsd for you!
15:19:55sharpeand he acomplished the feat by using a hair dryer. in water. to fill his pants with air.
15:20:48stripwaxhehe, that's brilliant
15:21:23sharpeand mr krabs got him to clean his garage...
15:21:53Paul_The_NerdApparently the announced feature freeze has created a small "OMG are they stopping working on H300 for a month" panic. :)
15:24:07Paul_The_NerdI seem to remember H100 improvements happening during the last one.
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15:24:40Bgerotoh bug fixing is an improvement :)
15:24:49Paul_The_NerdThose were the improvements I was talking about
15:24:51davinciwaht does the "feature freeze" means?
15:25:02Paul_The_Nerddavinci: Stop adding new things, and fix the ones already there
15:25:30stripwaxwonder if that includes the "auto change directory" bug ...
15:25:56Bgerstripwax it should include *all* known bugs
15:26:09davinciPaul_The_Nerd: what's the reason for that?
15:26:19stripwaxBger - woohoo! ;-)
15:26:28MarcoPolono one knows where this patch can be found. the topic was active yesterday. and all links i find on the net refers to this topic.
15:26:39Bgerof course, fixing from the most serious down to the least one
15:27:11Paul_The_Nerddavinci: So that they can fix most of the bugs, and release a "stable" version
15:27:39Paul_The_NerdMarcoPolo: It seems to be attached to that post
15:28:03preglowtest_mem says memset16 works correctly all of a sudden
15:28:15davinci"Stop adding new things, and fix the ones already there" means they stop adding new features and fixing the old ones. Good idea :)
15:28:16sharpeit's lying!
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15:28:42MarcoPoloPaul_The_Nerd: oh, ok, I had to be logged in to see the attachment
15:29:31sharpehmm... kind of odd, i never get a complete 100% charge, always around 95% or 90%
15:29:31*Paul_The_Nerd mutters.
15:29:46Paul_The_NerdVMWare is beginning to irritate me.
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15:30:04Paul_The_NerdThe clock is all kinds of annoying.
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15:33:03amiconnpreglow: We're back
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15:33:20lostlogicsharpe: what device?
15:33:23Bgeramiconn but not the webcam ...
15:33:37Bgerthere is a conspiracy!
15:33:52sharpeipod video
15:34:07amiconnThat memory leak in the cam software again...
15:34:11sharpeheheh, 24mhz is apparantly not fast enough to decode mp3s in real time... :)
15:35:25preglowamiconn: test_mem says my asm memtest16 when it makes all kinds of odd behaviour, do you know of any errors it wouldn't notice?
15:35:36preglowamiconn: insert 'is correct' where makes sense
15:36:06amiconnHmm, not that I know of
15:36:32preglowit's really weird, it seems memset16 is the cause of all the really weird data aborts
15:36:42preglowabort at uie, abort at exception vector, the list goes on
15:37:28amiconnHow could memset16() cause a data abort in UIE()?
15:37:46preglowi think i'll go insanse if i ever know
15:37:53preglowit probably corrupts something
15:37:54amiconnThe only place that uses memset16() is the lcd 16 bit driver
15:38:14amiconnHmm, perhaps
15:38:29preglowand yeah, if i remember correctly, memset16 assumes the pointer is aligned by 2, yes?
15:38:35preglow'cause i don't handle that
15:38:51amiconnyes, it assumes word aligment
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15:45:03Paul_The_NerdMaaan. You're not allowed to check off anything on the ReleaseToDo until April 3rd. You people are supposed to be pushing in new features all the way up to the line. :-P
15:45:22sharpeyeh, never gets completely up to 100%, only around 97-98% hmm...
15:45:55Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: What kind of iPod?
15:46:09Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Also, are you charging in rockbox, or in Apple OS then rebooting to rockbox?
15:47:24preglowdevcon people: you list eq in the 'freeze until fully implemented' list for 3.0, any issues in particular you were thinking about?
15:49:50lostlogicsharpe: forget the percentage
15:49:58lostlogicsharpe: it's not calibrated yet
15:50:53lostlogicsharpe: the voltage readings are calculated from the battery based on the datasheet formula (which may or may not exactly match) but we still haven't done any battery discharge vs. time graphing to determine the full charge / discharge cycle voltage readings to correlate to percentages
15:51:24sharpesounds like something i should do.
15:51:31lostlogicsharpe: sure!
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15:51:46B4gderpreglow: getting the swcodec status in a good shape is a big piece
15:52:13preglowindeed, and also has nothing to do with the eq, which is what i'm wondering about :>
15:52:35B4gderthe eq is only mentioned since that is going in
15:52:54B4gderI don't think anyone meant that anything in particular is outstanding for it
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15:55:50BgerLinusN does the proper init of the backlight pin of the pcf50606 has any connection with the power issues ?
15:56:05preglowi couple of things are, just wondered if you had anything new in mind
15:56:57LinusNBger: nope
15:57:02B4gderof couple of things are what?
15:57:21preglowneeds fixing
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15:57:44*Paul_The_Nerd suddenly gets the Mayday pun.
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15:58:07B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: its a double pun even
15:58:07*sharpe doesn't.
15:58:18B4gderwe had loooots of fun with that german commercial
15:58:19preglowlike a better sin(), volume prescaler, and bandwidth instead of q adjustment
15:58:28Paul_The_NerdSuch a wonderful commercial
15:58:35Paul_The_NerdVhat are you sinking?
15:58:44*B4gder giggles
15:59:10B4gderpreglow: yes, but none of that is really a MUST for 3.0 are they?
15:59:15Paul_The_NerdBut when I saw "Planned for Mayday" in my inbox relating to one of the flyspray emails, I just went "oooooh.... mayday."
15:59:40B4gderCassandra's clever code name
15:59:44Bgerah, what do you guys think about a "centric" place (as in dir) for all settings/plugin settins|records etc ... ?
15:59:52preglowB4gder: the first is
15:59:58preglowB4gder: and the second, imhop
16:00:17B4gderfeel free to add to the wiki page
16:00:34preglownah, i'm already going to fix them anyway
16:01:08preglowbut time to catch the train home, later
16:01:34B4gderI'm off too
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16:07:26sharpeheh, AAAA batteries...
16:07:32Paul_The_NerdTask closed, task reopened... My inbox is being battered
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16:09:40[IDC]DragonBagder's family is here
16:11:09[IDC]Dragonbut camera-shy
16:12:53amiconnPaprica: Button assigment problems in tetrox on Ondio :(
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16:14:29[IDC]Dragonhere she is
16:14:54t0masah cool
16:15:04safetydanSo that's the youngest Rockbox developer then?
16:15:10*t0mas imagines a little kid with an iriver ;)
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16:15:19t0massafetydan: maybe I am?
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16:15:36t0masat least I think I'm the youngest with cvs access...
16:15:43t0masbut I don't know all others
16:15:46lefrightcute little Badger
16:16:06safetydanWell Bagder could give his daughter CVS access... though I'm not sure how well that would work out
16:16:24lefrightdoll house tertix
16:16:26[IDC]Dragonhe should give her a t-shirt first
16:16:38t0mast-shirt? tent ;)
16:19:25sharpewhat if i'm the youngest? :)
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16:21:20lefrightchristi looks industrious all the time, wonder whats on her screen ?
16:22:02lefrightis there a bug problem in sweden
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16:22:22Paul_The_NerdShe's closing a lot of the old bugs, and updating others to "Due in 3.0" etc
16:22:59lefrightgood old admin work
16:23:21sharpehmm... so far, battery discharge is at 86 %
16:23:39sharpewait, that doesn't sound right.
16:25:33sharpebattery charge is at 86%... that's better.
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16:43:16Bgergood Cassandra, good :)
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16:49:45linuxstbCassandra: I saw that you closed this bug - - but I'm still experiencing that problem on both my 5g and 4g Color iPod with the current CVS.
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16:52:08*t0mas yawns
16:52:14t0masboring sunday afternoon
16:52:41sharpeit's a boring... everyday for me.
16:53:27t0maswell... get something todo :)
16:53:35sharpeheh, i'm trying...
16:53:42*t0mas normally has a problem with only 24 hours a day
16:53:53t0mas48 would be better :P
16:54:17preglowdo anyone ever use the return value of memset? :>
16:54:26t0maswhat does it return?
16:54:30sharpewow, it's only 11 o'clock here...
16:54:37sharpei'm guessing it returns a value...
16:54:38amiconnmemset returns the start address
16:54:45t0masno, never used that
16:54:53preglow'cause that's the only bug i have that i can find
16:54:53t0masI already have the start value...
16:54:55preglowi don't return that
16:55:06sharpei never realized it returned the start address
16:55:33preglowi just remembered it
16:55:56amiconnpreglow: Since memset16() is our own stuff, we can leave out the return value
16:56:19amiconnmemset() should behave as specified though
16:56:26preglowyeah, but the memset doesn't either
16:56:45preglowand to make it do that, i either have to recode everything to make it traverse memory backwards
16:56:50preglowor stack the address value
16:57:14linuxstbpreglow: A quick grep in apps/ and firmware/ doesn't show anything that uses the return value from memset
16:57:28preglowno, that's what it looked like to me too
16:57:32preglowbut then i'm stumped
16:57:50preglowtest_mem says my memset16 is correct, i can't see any bugs, but yet, it crashes rockbox in the oddest ways
16:57:58linuxstbYou could just write a C wrapper function that calls your asm memset.
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16:58:20preglowand lose performance? never!
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17:04:48[IDC]Dragongentlemen, we have voice on ipod!
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17:04:59*Paul_The_Nerd cheers
17:05:00[IDC]Dragonall credits to Jens
17:05:09linuxstbHurray. All we need now is some voice files...
17:05:19[IDC]Dragonthey're the same
17:05:36linuxstbI didn't think there were any up-to-date voice files available?
17:06:02amiconnpreglow: You don't need to actually stack the start address
17:06:24amiconnIt should still be on the stack at the end of the function, so just fetch it a second time
17:06:42preglowamiconn: arm doesn't pass args on the stack
17:08:58preglowand right now i only use the stack (for preserving one reg) for large memsets, and i'd like to keep it like that
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17:09:12Mikachuheh, hadn't updated cvs in a few days... conflicts galore but all resolved now
17:09:42preglowanywho, recoding memset to set memory backwards won't be very hard, i'll just do that
17:10:12preglowi assume the pp chip doesn't have any cache prefetch i can break by doing that anyway
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17:11:21MikachuPaprica: tetrox needs a highscore table! :)
17:14:55elinenbe_workall the games should have a high score table :-)
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17:15:10BgerPaprica iirc, there is a highscore api ..
17:16:58davinciwhere do I find all features supported by basic rockbox? (without patches) (sorry, I still have n00b questions)
17:18:03Bgerdavinci in the wiki :)
17:18:07Bgerand in the manual ..
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17:22:46elinenbewhen does devcon2006 end?
17:25:01davinciBger: what about features like WPS tags added into CVS? is offline?
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17:26:20elinenbeAre the devcon rumors true?
17:26:41elinenbedoom and gameboy are playable on rockbox?
17:26:42muesli__which rumours?
17:27:01safetydanerr... gameboy games have been playable for a while
17:27:02Paul_The_Nerdelinenbe: Gameboy's been playable on rockbox for ages...
17:27:02muesli__there are payable for ages
17:27:14Paul_The_Nerdelinenbe: And there's been a doom patch in the tracker for several weeks.
17:27:17safetydansounds like Doom will get included in official builds soonish, but it's been available as a patch for ages
17:27:19elinenbeI mean SNES and Plasystation!
17:27:24elinenbeand Quake!
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17:28:51sharpelet's port quake to rockbox everyone! :P
17:29:28*[IDC]Dragon gives up on the Archos wav for now
17:29:28Mikachumidkay: okay, i've got 633 lines and 410780 points now (same round) :)
17:29:48preglowsafetydan: i'm going to commit some 64 bit related changes to dsp code now, would you be as king as to check if the eq still works on 32 bit sims?
17:29:57safetydancan do
17:30:45*safetydan awaits preglow's 64-bit changes
17:30:51safetydanmake a change of pace from staring at cordic stuff
17:31:14Mikachupreglow: can i just comment out the ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ line to compile without support for it?
17:31:53preglowMikachu: yes
17:32:19preglowMikachu: as long as you're talking in the config header file
17:32:42Mikachujust commenting out one of the ifdef lines is probably not a good idea :)
17:33:11*amiconn says goodbye from devcon
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17:33:20Paul_The_NerdIs adjustible cpu frequency causing problems?
17:33:23preglowsafetydan: eq sounds wrong here, see
17:33:33preglowsafetydan: and i'm wondering if that too is a 64 bit problem
17:33:47preglowPaul_The_Nerd: well, responsiveness is shite with it enabled
17:33:54safetydanpreglow, it's entirely possible it is wrong as I didn't check it that closely
17:34:07preglowsafetydan: it gives one hell of a boost to the volume here
17:34:12Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Well yeah. I was just curious if it was causing actual problems.
17:34:14safetydanhrm, that I don't remember
17:34:46Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Has any thought been given to just causing a boost on a timer, similar to backlight coming on when a button is pressed?
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17:36:18preglowi'd rather we didn't do that
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17:36:21preglowit hides the problem
17:37:03preglowbut sure, a very simple of way of boosting eq responsiveness is just boosting when the backlight is on
17:37:12preglowthat way you'll always be responsive when the gui is in use
17:37:24safetydanpreglow, seems okay here
17:37:36preglowsafetydan: ok, i pretty much know what's wrong, then
17:37:40Mikachupreglow: but that has problems if backlight is always on or always off
17:37:46preglowMikachu: indeed
17:37:47safetydanonly looked at the low shelf filter though
17:37:53preglowsafetydan: try a peaker as well
17:38:00Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Well, I wasn't specifically meaning when the backlight was on, because some people just disable it. But Is there really a "problem" with the GUI responsiveness, or is it just a little too taxing for the speed the cpu's at?
17:38:12Mikachuwow, i got 953 unique ips for the webcam
17:38:56preglowwe need to speed it up
17:39:01preglowand there are lots of ways of doing that
17:39:03preglowjust needs doing
17:39:06diablo_ipodhello ! Can I ask you just a few questions about rockbox on ipod ?
17:39:53safetydanpreglow, peak seems fine as well
17:40:11safetydancan't guarantee they're accurate since I didn't measure it, but it defintely affects the sound in the "right" way
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17:40:28[IDC]Dragonsay goodby to the webcam
17:40:30preglowsafetydan: then it's accurate
17:40:34preglowgoodbye :/
17:40:37Paul_The_Nerddiablo_ipod: Ask away
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17:40:42sharpebye bye webcam
17:40:43*Mikachu removes ftp account
17:41:00t0masdevcon over?
17:41:50diablo_ipodI have problems saving cfg files on a ipod 4g grayscale
17:42:30Paul_The_Nerddiablo_ipod: What sort of problems?
17:43:03diablo_ipodeverytime time i try to save a cfg file, like eq settings or theme setting, it doesn't create files, so i cannot save it...
17:43:17diablo_ipodand it's problematic, isn'it ? :D
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17:44:42Paul_The_Nerddiablo_ipod: Does it actually say 'Settings Saved" when you do it?
17:44:49Topic"Rockbox - The mp3 player firmware" by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas)
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17:46:44Mikachucan someone change the devcon page to not point to me anymore?
17:46:50davinciPaul_The_Nerd: I think cygwin is now installed just like it has to be :)
17:46:52t0masdo we have ogg playback on ipods already?
17:47:04t0masor some of them?
17:47:07Paul_The_Nerddavinci: Have you gotten the build to work?
17:47:08safetydant0mas, all that we support
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17:47:09Mikachunano works
17:47:29diablo_ipodjust a second, i connect via mIRC
17:47:35davinciPaul_The_Nerd: I got cygwin to look like the one one the scrrenshot :D
17:47:48Paul_The_Nerddavinci: Good, then.
17:48:00Paul_The_Nerdt0mas: All ipods that have audio support in rockbox, yes.
17:48:07preglowt0mas: we've had that since audio was enabled
17:48:09davinciPaul_The_Nerd: I'll try to compile it in about an hour
17:48:20Paul_The_Nerddavinci: Good luck
17:48:33[IDC]Dragongoodby, this has been devcon
17:48:39davinciPaul_The_Nerd: but you was the one helped me, thnk you one more time
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17:48:52[IDC]Dragonthis notebook is the last to be packed
17:49:00preglow[IDC]Dragon: have a nice trip back
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17:50:49preglowwould anyone here with a working m68k crosscompiler care to test a patch for me?
17:50:49Mikachulostlogic: the stopping at ends of menus until you release and touch again is pretty neat
17:50:51diablo_ipodyes it displays settings saved
17:51:04Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Sure.
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17:51:14diablo_ipodexcuse my bad english, i'm french :)
17:51:22sharpeare they not in /.rockbox/ ?
17:51:31Paul_The_Nerddiablo_ipod: And it doesn't create a file in /.rockbox/?
17:51:40Mikachulostlogic: and i updated the patch, seems to work fine still
17:51:49diablo_ipodno, they aren't..
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17:52:06preglowPaul_The_Nerd: you can test it on your nano as well, if you can be bothered
17:52:19Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: No problem. Point me to it. :)
17:52:28diablo_ipodwhen i want to load a cfg file, it displays "no cfg files !"
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17:52:41safetydanpreglow, I can build for m68k as well
17:52:52Paul_The_Nerddiablo_ipod: And you're going to "Manage Settings" to save it?
17:53:15preglowtest that
17:53:37preglowbacklight fading should work on ipod nano, and should also work like before on h120
17:54:05safetydanthat's a lot of #elif
17:54:30diablo_ipodand just another question : do you have a idea for when the battery indicator will be implemented ? :)
17:54:32Nico_Pwow... 108 mails from the patch tracker :-o ... some people have been busy during the devcon
17:54:41Paul_The_Nerddiablo_ipod: I really don't know.. the config saving works on the Nano for me, at least.
17:55:09preglowand btw
17:55:15preglowit's bork your settings
17:55:32diablo_ipodi will retry on my ipod when it'il come back from repair... :-/
17:55:50safetydanpreglow, yeah I saw the config block version change
17:56:08sharpei've an idea!
17:56:18safetydanAnything in particular to look for? Or it should just work?
17:56:36preglowjust enable fading
17:56:37preglowand it shoudl
17:57:17safetydanFirst try works fine
17:57:49preglowon which device?
17:58:07safetydan2s and 500ms look fine to me
17:58:11preglowi'll just go ahead and commit it, then
17:58:28preglowanyone who wants to try backlight fading for their platform can just enable a define now
17:58:37MarcoPolois there a way to tweak some things to get the recording from headphone jack instead of a line out ?
17:58:54diablo_ipodand a last thing : i just want to thank you for the fabulous work you do ! The forum where i am ( ) loves rockbox, everybody says that your firmware is the best !
17:59:09Mikachupreglow: i'm trying it on my nano too
17:59:25*Paul_The_Nerd complains that his compiles are still too slow
17:59:53safetydanpreglow, yeah it looks fine on h120, music plays, backlight fades, plugins work, backlight fades
17:59:55safetydanit's all good
18:00:09Mikachupreglow: it works :)
18:00:09Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Since safetydan tested H120, I went straight to Nano. Looks good there.
18:00:15safetydandiablo_ipod, good to hear people like it
18:00:39preglowi'll just commit it
18:01:01Mikachuis it a simple linear decrease of intensity?
18:01:40Mikachuthe last part when it goes off looks sort of faster
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18:02:06preglowanyone here got a 5g?
18:02:23preglowMikachu: i think it's a simple linear fade, yeah, and we might want to change that
18:02:24Mikachuand i agree there should be a 250ms option at least
18:02:29preglowMikachu: i think apple's fade looks nicer
18:02:33sharpei've a 5g
18:02:46preglowsharpe: would you mind trying that patch for me?
18:02:52sharpeah, sure
18:03:06preglowyou just need to add a #define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING to config-ipodvideo.h
18:03:10preglowthen you're ready to see if it works
18:03:54preglowlinuxstb: btw, the backlight code for 4g seems to imply that it fades the backlight off, is that so?
18:09:26preglowsharpe: any luck?
18:12:19linuxstbpreglow: Yes, it does fade out.
18:12:36sharpeeh, had to go do something, patching it now :)
18:12:54preglowlinuxstb: what about fade in?
18:13:38preglowso there's no point in making ipod 4g use this code
18:14:30linuxstbI _think_ it's fading in. But very quickly.
18:14:58Mikachupreglow: i agree
18:16:00preglowlinuxstb: tried tweaking the value it uses around?
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18:19:35linuxstbpreglow: No, I haven't played with it. And I don't have time now.
18:21:47davincihello! I still have problems with copiling (../tools/configure: line 1020: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found). Reinstalling (this package) has no effect. Any idea?
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18:25:33linuxstblostlogic: Are you sure about this thread? As far as I can tell, the Apple firmware doesn't work any differently if you press hard or soft on the wheel.
18:27:11sharpepreglow: works as far as i can tell
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18:46:31Mikachulinuxstb: i think he means fast, not hard
18:46:57Mikachubut i dunno
18:47:08Mikachuit would be hard to scroll and press at the same time i thnik
18:50:02sharpei like it how when you cancel the microsoft installer for something, the progress bar reverses, until it's finished cleaning up.
18:50:10sharpeit makes me laugh
18:54:08PhR3aKdoes the rockbox firmware support gapless playing with all formats (ogg, flac...)?
18:54:14PhR3aKor just with mp3
18:54:23sharpei think all formats... i'm not sure
18:54:38markunnot with aac
18:54:48Mikachulinuxstb: it seems i've submitted a patch twice by accident, can you close/remove this one? (same as 3031)
18:54:59PhR3aKah good i dont think that i will use aac ;)
18:55:04sharpeyeah, but who really uses acc anyway... ;)
18:56:01sharpeheh... acc is actually asphalt.
18:56:45linuxstbMikachu: Done.
18:57:16PhR3aKcan anyone tell how far the bootloader for the x5 is developed?
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18:59:21linuxstbPhR3aK: Read today's IRC logs. From LinusN: "i have enough to build a bootloader" and "all i need now is an application to load" - meaning that the bootloader should be in a working state, but can't be tested until Rockbox itself compiles.
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18:59:57PhR3aKah ok thx
19:00:12afruff23Is devcon iver?
19:00:35Mikachubut 90 people still have their browsers open :(
19:00:51linuxstbThere wasn't a farewell photo?
19:01:02afruff23Yeah, I saw that
19:01:10afruff23but I thought that soemthing went wrong
19:01:20afruff23with the server or they took a break
19:01:36Mikachumaybe i could have written something more informative
19:02:22ep0chadd some javascript to close the window?
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19:02:41sharpe"it's over, you can go now."
19:02:56Mikachuep0ch: i can't do that, i only control the jpg :)
19:03:19vulcanchange the image then
19:03:27Mikachuif someone with access to their webserver could remove the link to me that would be swell
19:03:29ep0chohh i;m sure there's a way to put some code in the jpg :)
19:03:37Mikachuep0ch: not portably :)
19:04:08sharpedepending on the browser, and how the image is included, you can use javascript in it :)
19:04:16sharpei think it only works for ie though, not sure.
19:04:28vulcanman, mjy ipod battery myst be like totaly dead :X
19:04:38vulcanleft it sitting in disk mode over the weekend by accident
19:04:49PapricaMikachu, what about your pause patch for tetrox?
19:05:06MikachuPaprica: ah, i'll make a patch
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19:05:25MikachuPaprica: would it be okay to change the colors too? :) i am used to the colors of another clone, and only 3 pieces have the 'wrong' color
19:05:26Papricaok, could you upload it to the tracker?
19:05:41Papricachange it
19:05:47Papricabut in another patch
19:07:02Papricado you think that menu for tetrox will be useful?
19:07:26Mikachumaybe, for viewing highscores, changing between scroll-turning or not... maybe something else
19:07:34Mikachuit would be nice to start at a higher level
19:07:37Mikachuso a setting for that too
19:08:07afruff23does rockbox write USB mode code? or does the player just use the old one?
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19:09:58f13hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble getting rockbox on my ipod. (I'm using Linux to do this). The rockbox.bin generated by ipod_fw ends up larger (by 3 megs) than the boot partition itself (and hte bootloader.bin file)
19:10:29vulcanhmmm, no access to a windows system?
19:11:07f13well, not for a while.
19:11:14safetydanafruff23, currently all targets have hardware to handle USB so rockbox doesn't have to do anything yet
19:11:22preglowwhy the hell did my last commit mail contain an attachment?
19:11:56vulcanf13: what ipod do you have?
19:12:05Paul_The_Nerdf13: The rockbox.bin should not be any larger than the original bootpartition.bin that you extracted. It should be somewhat larger than the apple_os.bin that you extracted from bootpartition.bin though
19:12:16MikachuPaprica: 4851
19:12:51f13vulcan: 4g
19:13:03f13Paul_The_Nerd: I know it isn't supposed to be, but ipod_fw seems to be not working right.
19:13:32vulcanI can't realy help you out then... sorry.
19:14:44f13-rw-r−−r−− 1 root root 40M Mar 19 09:15 bootpartition.bin
19:14:44f13-rw-r−−r−− 1 root root 43M Mar 19 10:14 rockboot.bin
19:15:00Paul_The_Nerdf13: How big are your bootloader.bin and apple_os.bin?
19:15:35f13-rw-r−−r−− 1 root root 3.3M Mar 19 10:03 apple_os.bin
19:15:38linuxstbf13: Are you using bootloader.bin or bootpartition.bin in your ipod_fw command-line?
19:16:10f13haha, yea I am. Silly me.
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19:17:09f13now rockboot.bin is very small.
19:17:20vulcanokay... dumb question. How do I go about using patches?
19:18:15sharpevulcan: you mean, how to applyeth the patch to thine source codeth?
19:18:15Paul_The_Nerdvulcan: Have you set up the toolchain so you can compile?
19:19:26vulcanno, is there some kind of tutorial I can follow?
19:19:49vulcannotthat it matters right now because my ipod won't turn on'
19:20:09sharpetis one in the wiki for doing both...
19:20:19sharpeer, two. seperate ones.
19:20:33*f13 tries to figure out how ot use this thing.
19:21:26vulcanokay, I'll to take a look
19:21:27ep0chanyone know what a "rockbox error -4" is in the bootloader (ipod)?
19:21:35Paul_The_Nerdvulcan: for setting up cygwin
19:21:42vulcanyou havent loaded the rockbox files yet f13
19:21:45vulcanso thats normal
19:22:08ep0choh bugger its probably cos i forget to umount
19:22:10f13vulcan: actually I did. I'm just not seeing the file brwoser.
19:22:20f13vulcan: I see some plugins and an X next to "Rockbox"
19:22:30linuxstbep0ch: Yes - it means that the file is corrupt somehow.
19:22:31Paul_The_Nerdf13: Hidden files will be hidden by default
19:22:57linuxstbep0ch: i.e. read() can't read the number of bytes that the directory entry says are in the file.
19:22:59Paul_The_Nerdf13: If you go into the Menu, you can tell it to show all files, otherwise you'll only see supported files and non-hidden folders.
19:23:28preglowif anyone notices stability problems with my new commits, please tell me
19:23:49Paul_The_Nerdf13: Any music that iTUnes has put on your player will be buried in the ipod control folder
19:24:13Mikachupreglow: did you change anything since the patch?
19:24:23f13jyeah, I'm adding new ones.
19:24:27vulcanthough there is a patch called iplay I belive... reads the itunesDB
19:24:34vulcanor the playslists atleast
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19:25:19preglowMikachu: some 5g stuff
19:25:39Mikachuokay, that probably won't conflict
19:25:51f13YaY it worked.
19:25:53f13thanks guys.
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19:27:12GOThere is a very useful piece of information about MPIO HD300's hardware. - photos, - documentation. Enjoy!
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19:29:18GOI think It'll be very useful for anyone who wants to port Rockbox on MPIO.
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19:31:02PhR3aK(afruff23): do you have icq?
19:32:46afruff23do you post on
19:32:56afruff23me too
19:33:00afruff23same name there
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19:33:21PhR3aKyoure the guy with the same x5 and mx500? ^^
19:33:25afruff23you're jupp on those forums?
19:33:54LinusNzis is ze german coast guard, what are you sinking about?
19:33:54afruff23what's your name on the forums
19:33:55PhR3aKsame name
19:34:13PhR3aKjupp was like yes ;)
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19:35:47PhR3aKi just wanted to ask you how your sound settings on your x5 are ajusted (bbe and so on)
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19:36:37afruff23I'll check hold on
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19:37:00PhR3aKi'm trying to figure out the best settings for my mx500 atm... thats why i wanted to aks
19:37:10afruff23everything off except for EQ
19:37:35yanDo you know if there is a possibility to run Rockbox on a 3g ipod?
19:37:38afruff23THe EQ looks like an inverted dome
19:38:00afruff23Bass and treble is gained mroe than the mid
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19:38:17Mikachupreglow: if i set the backlight timeout to 1s and fadein to 2s it doesn't come on fully unless i keep scrolling, should i be considered stupid if i do that?
19:39:05PhR3aKk, mine is bbe 3, m3b 7 (because the mx500 dont have this good lows) and 3ds 4
19:39:22afruff23Mx500 has bad bass
19:39:25safetydanyan, if iPod Linux runs on the iPod 3g it's possible to get rockbox going as well
19:39:28safetydanbut no one's tried
19:39:31afruff23whcih is why I gained it the most on my EQ
19:40:10PhR3aKyeah... my cx 300 should come next week, i cant await it :)
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19:40:19afruff23how much?
19:40:23afruff23I want to get one
19:40:30PhR3aK38,80 €
19:40:30Paul_The_NerdHmm... some of the links on the menu on the left at don't work any more since the tracker changes from /bugs to /tracker
19:40:31afruff23but I can't find $40
19:40:40afruff23I mean I can't find it for $40
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19:41:01PhR3aK(afruff23): i'm back in 5mins
19:41:06afruff23I would buy it at $60(like it is now) except I don't like getting ripped off
19:41:25yansafetydan: ipodlinux seems to run on 3g, but I didn't find any firmware for my 3g ipod
19:41:39linuxstbyan: A Rockbox port to the 3g is in CVS - the person working on it hasn't been around for a few weeks, but Rockbox is functioning.
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19:42:55linuxstbyan: It _may_ even have audio playback. I committed a bugfix about a week ago, but no-one has told me if it works or not (I don't have a 3g to test it on).
19:43:03yanlinuxstb: Good, and is there any compiled firmware already or not ?
19:43:14yanlinuxstb: Or should I compile it myself?
19:43:18tucozlinuxstb, is this correct for the recorders?
19:43:26linuxstbyan: You'll need to compile it yourself.
19:44:05tucozlinuxstb, except I can not use underscore in the \newcommands as LaTeX treats underscores as an operator
19:44:23yanlinuxstb: Ok, I must install some ARM compilers
19:44:43PhR3aKhm i've ordered them from a swedisch shop, and i live in germany, sry but i dont know any shops in the usa who ship them under $60
19:45:16linuxstbtucoz: That seems OK to me. Is LaTeX happy with hyphens in the macro names then?
19:45:44tucozlinuxstb, the options? Like HAVE_LCD_BITMAP ?
19:46:00linuxstbNo, I mean your BUTTON-OFF etc macros.
19:46:17tucozOh, yes. Let me try again. I think I tried this.
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19:50:40Paul_The_NerdIs the battery supposed to display an Icon when charging, even if I have it set to numeric?
19:50:52hubbelNew version of the Rockbox VMware image is available..
19:51:01Paul_The_Nerdhubbel: What has changed?
19:51:43hubbelPaul: Added patch, ssh, .. reduced download size.. etc
19:52:31Paul_The_Nerdhubbel: You might want to include notes reminding people to set the BIOS clock in that VM to match their own.
19:52:56hubbelpaul: aha.. what is the dpkg-reconfigure command?
19:53:27Paul_The_Nerdhubbel: Umm... I hit F2 while booting to go into the BIOS, and set it there.
20:01:30preglowhubbel: did you ever test if the uda1380 can do full-duplex?
20:04:50hubbelpreglow: yep it can
20:05:12hubbelpreglow: where's that vocoder you promised? :)
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20:06:11preglowanything special you need to do?
20:07:41BHSPitMonkey"Hi, you can close this window now" lol
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20:10:12hubbelpreglow: well.. i did the test without caring about pcm playback/recording/codec issues..
20:10:23preglowyeah, but i'm talking hardware wise
20:10:32hubbelpreglow: nope.. dont think so
20:10:52hubbelpreglow: recording uses one dma channel and playback the other
20:10:58FebsWhat is the volume scale (minimum, maximum) on iPod targets?
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20:11:33preglowdepends on the ipod, i think
20:11:49preglowfor nano it's -72 to 6
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20:13:12sharpefor the 5g it's -57 to 6.
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20:21:33tucozlinuxstb, hmm. No hyphens and no digits allowed, it seems
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20:22:50tucozSo, the buttons will be called \BUTTONON, \BUTTONOFF etc. What to do with F1 F2 and F3 ?
20:23:01linuxstbAnother option is ButtonOn, ButtonOff etc
20:23:10tucozyes, that looks better
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20:23:39tucozButtonFOne, ButtonFTwo etc?
20:24:12linuxstbIt looks ugly, but I can't think of anything better.
20:24:34preglowlatex isn't pretty, so it'll fit right in
20:24:40tucozpreglow, :)
20:25:04preglowsomething just like latex but not based on tex would fit the bill perfectly
20:25:09preglowit's getting too old for its own good
20:25:17Mikachuhow's latex 3 going?
20:25:32tucozexactly, I wonder what that'll be like
20:26:07preglowMikachu: it isn't
20:26:24preglowlatex3 has been in "development" for bloody ages now
20:26:52FebsOK, forgive the incessant questions, but what is the range of bass/treble boost on iPod platforms.
20:27:24preglowthat reminds me
20:27:29Febs(eventually I'll compile the sim for iPod targets so that I can check these myself.)
20:27:32preglowtreble/bass on nano doesn't even pretend to do what it should
20:27:34preglowit sounds awful
20:27:40preglowit's more a volume boost than anything else
20:28:02preglowis it like that on all ipods, or just this?
20:28:35tucozFebs, I've got some macros options pending. I'll commit those in a while. Then you can use \opt{SWCODEC}{ equalizer stuff} for instance.
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20:29:30vulcanokay... I'm kind of getting worried now
20:29:32preglowhmm, perhaps there's some subtle effect
20:29:34vulcanmy ipod won't turn on at all
20:29:39preglowbut damn, it's pretty close to unusable
20:29:48preglowvulcan: keep menu and select pressed until it reboots
20:30:01preglowvulcan: it's 99% probably just stuck in battery idiot mode
20:30:11Febstucoz, cool. But right now I'm working through settings for volume, bass, treble, etc. which vary by platform anyway. That macro will help a lot though when I get to crossfeed, EQ, etc.
20:30:11vulcanthat worked
20:30:30preglowvulcan: when you disconnect the usb, that happens sometimes
20:30:44vulcannow I just have the low battery icon... hopefully it will actualy charge now instead of sitting there draining the battery
20:31:48tucozFebs, nice.
20:32:30vulcanwhat the heck, the battery is fully charged even
20:32:39FebsHow do you want to handle changes. Shall I post them in the patch tracker or e-mail you the diff files?
20:33:18tucozFebs, just post them on the tracker. I think that's the best solution
20:33:29preglowvulcan: like i said, it was in battery idiot mode
20:33:45preglowvulcan: it sometimes thinks it's got an empty battery when it doesn't
20:33:45FebsWill do. I have to go do some family things, but I'll probably post the first patch for the manual later tonight.
20:33:52tucozcool :)
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20:36:25tucozFebs, maybe you could think of the copyright question as well. That is, a lot of people have either directly of indirectly contributed to the manual, but what to write in the copyright statement?
20:37:46preglowis there such a thing as a 32 bit integer wav file?
20:37:54FebsI was thinking about that last night, actually. There is a contributor list at the end of the manual. Perhaps that could list separately the contributors to the manual and the copyright notice could say 'Copyright (c) 2005 by the respective contributors identified on page XX'.
20:37:56preglowi thought 32 bit wavs were always float
20:38:43FebsDisclaimer: this is not legal advice!
20:38:46stripwaxI think you can get 24 bit wavs stored (wastefully) as 32 bit. But I'm not sure.
20:38:50tucozFebs, that's what I've been thinking of as well.
20:38:56FebsOK, gotta run. BBL.
20:38:58tucozFebs, see you
20:40:03stripwaxYeah. you can get 32bit integer wavs.
20:40:14preglowahh, it is possible
20:40:20stripwaxAs well as 32 bit and 64 bit float wavs.
20:41:10preglowsweet moses, it's such a joy to work with sound in windows
20:41:41stripwaxpreglow - what's up?
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20:43:20preglowstripwax: just refurbishing wav.c and aiff.c
20:43:35preglowfirst to play codepolice for a bit
20:43:38preglowthen to make them always use dsp
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20:44:29tucozWhat are BUTTON_SELECT and BUTTON_MODE called on the H300? Navi, A-B?
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20:46:40Papricabutton select =navi
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20:48:17tucozDo Ipod video,color and nano all use IPOD_4G_PAD?
20:49:01sharpetwould seem so?
20:49:48tucozsharpe, yes. I found out. I had a look in the config-ipodxxx.h files
20:50:31PhR3aK(afruff23): what are your eq settings in detail?
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20:55:30richardobrienhi, got a quick question
20:55:52richardobrienwhat's keeping the h300 from backlight fading again?
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20:57:18tucozpreglow, I am a bit confused of the ipod buttons. That is, for a manual purpose. Is this ok?
20:58:05tucoz...or someone else with an ipod
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21:01:07Mikachucan anyone explain how the dict plugin works?
21:01:29preglowlooks decent to me
21:02:49Mikachucouldn't find it in the manual
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21:04:11Guest_940hi,anyone there
21:04:16Mikachuah, found it in the wiki, didn't think to look there
21:04:27Guest_940how to put rockbox on nano
21:04:30Guest_940with doom
21:04:58tucozpreglow, thanks
21:05:00Mikachui don't suppose it supports multibyte encoded text?
21:06:18preglowwhat does?
21:06:21tucozMikachu, have you searched the wiki? I think t0mas wrote that plugin
21:06:42Mikachutucoz: yeah i found it, but it mentions files _must_ be sorted alphabetically
21:06:53Mikachuwhich doesn't really mean anything for characters that aren't alphabetical
21:07:49preglowasciiorder, i believe
21:08:10Mikachuwould be fun to have a japanese dictionary
21:08:27Mikachubut maybe it would be better to write a special plugin for edict
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21:12:21Mikachusigh, rdf2binary doesn't take arguments so i have to guess what i should name the file? :)
21:12:35Mikachuokay, dict.preparsed
21:13:38*t0mas doesn't say anything
21:13:50t0masI think Zagor wrote that plugin... but he must have put my name above it
21:14:30Mikachui seem to have successfully created the dict files, but since the rb keyboard only lets me enter ascii.. :)
21:14:58Mikachuit's not the same name in dict.c and in rdf2binary.c
21:15:11Mikachubut i guess you're the one named Tomas :)
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21:17:04sharpewhat should i do...
21:17:19Mikachuyou could enhance the dict plugin, it needs a lot of work
21:17:25sharpewhat's it do?
21:17:31t0masat this moment?
21:17:36t0masnothing usefull...
21:17:37sharpeor, it's purpose?
21:17:44Mikachulook up words in a dictionary
21:18:06crashdsharpe: take a look at the screen resizing on rockboy for 5g ipods :P
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21:18:15sharpethat was obvious to me, but i never got it to work, so i never really thought it was a dictionary...
21:18:16crashdmy eyes started to bleed when i tried to figure the code flow out
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21:18:30t0massharpe: take a look at the wiki page
21:18:52sharpeheh... when will i need a dictionary on my ipod... :)
21:18:56BHSPitLappysharpe: before you look at the screen resizing code on rockboy, look at the key code first :P
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21:19:15BHSPitLappyand enable combinations and the hold switch
21:19:30Mikachuah, it only does exact matching too
21:19:55sharpet0mas: wiki for what?
21:19:58Mikachusharpe: when you lose your pda :)
21:20:06sharpei never use my pda anymore...
21:20:37Mikachuah, the search algo uses binary searching
21:20:42Mikachuthat explains the need for sortedness
21:21:20crashda la predictive texting :)
21:23:15sharpewell... i've an idea... for how things could be indexed... or the like...
21:23:24sharpesimilar to what it is aparantly
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21:24:33supersun47is anyone here?
21:24:34Mikachuit would be nice to search both ways
21:24:44sharpewhat's the other way?
21:25:00supersun47hey i was wondering if anyone could tell me the keys for rockboy
21:25:01Mikachui have a japanese->english dictionary, but i'd want to search for english words too
21:25:09supersun47i have a %G ipod
21:25:14supersun475g ipod
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21:25:41supersun47can anyone help me out with that
21:26:58sharpebut, some of those aren't for the video ipod...
21:27:11supersun47i saw that but i dont think that's for my ipod...cuz i dont know what a record button is...and i dont have a stop button
21:27:20crashdthe 5g build needs work supersun47
21:27:27supersun47yea exactly so i dont know what to do
21:27:36supersun47so do i just wait
21:27:38Mikachueither fix it or wait
21:27:42crashdunless you fix it
21:27:50Mikachuor pay someone
21:27:59Mikachuor buy a gameboy
21:27:59supersun47fixing it involves like advanced work right?
21:28:10Mikachuthose are the options we came up with for the other guy who asked
21:28:24crashdsomebody will fix it at some point
21:28:24supersun47ok thank you
21:28:39supersun47thank you very much
21:29:11BoD[away]hey have you heard about this portable game console that runs linux
21:29:21BoD[away]and you can play all sorts of emulators
21:29:23BoD[away]yeah !
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21:29:28BoD[away]it seems cool
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21:29:44sharpewe should port rockbox to it! lol...
21:30:06Mikachui think it's a bit unwieldy
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21:31:16PhR3aKare there any plans that the work on the port for the archos gmini (200/202) will be continued?
21:31:22Guest_940I put rockbox on my ipod nano
21:31:33Guest_940it says the next time I reboot rockbox should come
21:31:36Guest_940but it doesn't
21:31:44Guest_940how do I reboot exactly?
21:31:51sharpehold select and menu
21:31:52moodelynhold select and menu for a few seconds
21:32:44Guest_940it worked
21:32:51preglowPhR3aK: if someone wants to work on it, sure
21:33:01preglowPhR3aK: there's a huge amount of work left to be done
21:33:04Mikachupreglow: i just saw apples firmware only fades one way
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21:33:21preglowMikachu: on which unit?
21:33:50Mikachuyou mentioned earlier you thought it looked better :)
21:33:57PhR3aKhm okay i just wanted to know if the work on the gmini port is not completely stopped
21:34:03preglowi mean the fade itself
21:34:14preglowPhR3aK: it is in essence, no one is working on it
21:34:27Mikachupreglow: i think it needs to go slower at the end
21:34:31Guest_940how do I isntall doom
21:34:37PhR3aKok thanks
21:34:55preglowMikachu: i think it needs a non-linear curve
21:35:24BoD[away]hey where do you have to put the .rockbox directory when you use the uisimulator?
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21:35:29preglowMikachu: fades both ways here
21:35:33preglowMikachu: fast fade in, a bit slower out
21:35:36sharpein /archos/ wouldn't you?
21:36:06Mikachuyou're right..
21:36:12Mikachubut i see why i thought it only faded one way
21:36:29Mikachufirst time it turns the backlight off after boot from rockbox' bootloader it turns off without fad
21:36:49Guest_940what button do I need to press during the boot of the nano to load the original firmware
21:36:56MikachuGuest_940: menu
21:37:19sharpehold menu when you boot it until it says it's load the original firmware
21:37:23BoD[away]in "archos" yeah :) but I have an ipod ;)
21:37:29sharpesame dir
21:37:43BoD[away]héhé yeah
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21:41:42sharpeheheh, what if i tried to implement my own dictionary plugin? :)
21:42:46Guest_940does anyone know how to put doom on the nano?
21:43:01sharpeif i remember, you have to compile it with the patch...
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21:43:12Guest_940where can I dfind a free compiler
21:43:41BoD[away]when using the ipod 5g uisimulator
21:44:00BoD[away]when i play a song I have a windows error saying that _temp_codec.dll is not a valid dll
21:44:04BoD[away]any idea?
21:44:27sharpethe uisim doesn't like me :(
21:44:34Guest_940is there an easy way to put the doom game on my nano?
21:44:44Guest_940that's very complicated
21:44:59sharpei'm not really sure, i don't have a nano...
21:46:04moodelynBoD[away]: i had that problem with a sim that someone else built for me, but when i built my own it was fine. i think for some reason the sim i was given was generating codecs for ARM instead of the local PC
21:46:39stripwaxGuest_940 - if you want to compile a plugin yourself, you should read the "developer" documentation page at But it sounds like you just want an easy way to run Doom. You will have to wait until Doom is officially released, if you don't know how to compile plugins yourself.
21:47:01*t0mas is soooo bored... you just don't want to know
21:47:12Guest_940OCuld I do what is said here
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21:47:28BoD[away]moodelyn: very strange, I built it myself
21:47:36*sharpe is thinking of ideas for another dictionary plugin index idea...
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21:47:53felix_nethi all
21:48:15stripwaxGuest_940 - yeah, you *could* do, if you understand what it means and you have a build environment already set up!
21:48:42felix_netany linux users in here, by chance?
21:49:05t0massharpe: what's your idea?
21:49:12felix_netexcellent- since I installed rockbox on my ipod, i can't mount it
21:49:49crashdfelix_net: you tried using disk mode on the ipod ?
21:49:52Mikachuyou have to start apple or the emergency mode
21:50:03sharpet0mas: god dude, i'll be back in a little bit. my friend's dad died friday.
21:50:05felix_neti think it's in disk mode.
21:50:06crashdi dont have any trouble with just plugging it in, tbh
21:50:13crashdit jsut reboots to disk mode anywa
21:50:29t0massharpe: ouch... you should be with him...
21:50:37felix_neti'm pretty sure its disk mode (grey screen, no backlight, etc.)
21:50:47t0mas(the friend I mean ofcourse)
21:50:58crashdfelix_net: and by mount, what do you mean?
21:51:00sharpet0mas: more like 'her', but her and her sister moved so i really can't, so yeh.
21:51:01crashdlike, under linux
21:51:09t0massharpe: that sucks...
21:51:30felix_netmy default entry mounted /dev/sda2 on /mnt/ipod vfat −− that no longer works
21:51:51sharpet0mas: yeah...
21:51:53BHSPitLappyfelix_net: if the iPod says "Do Not Disconnect" then you're in disk mode, otherwise it's not gonna work.
21:52:00crashdis it maybe being attached as a different device entry in /dev then >
21:52:03sharpet0mas: was given a month or so to live, but only got a week.
21:52:09t0masah shit...
21:52:15t0maslife is just unfair to some people...
21:52:23BHSPitLappyfelix_net: ls /mnt/dev*
21:52:40BHSPitLappyI mean ls /dev/sd*
21:52:52*BHSPitLappy stops trying.
21:53:26felix_netthat's alot of sd*'s
21:53:39linuxstbfelix_net: Try "fdisk -l" (as root)
21:53:58stripwaxlinuxstb - uh?
21:54:10stripwaxfelix_net - anything reported by dmesg by any chance?
21:54:27linuxstbstripwax: That will list the partition tables from all the disk devices - so you can see the ipod.
21:54:39stripwaxlinuxstb - neat
21:54:49preglowlife unfair to some people? nah, can't possible be true
21:54:51felix_netnothing useful in dmesg, fdisk returns that sda2 has logical and physical partitions
21:55:01preglowit's outright cruel to someone is what it is
21:55:43preglows/someone/some people/
21:56:38sharpewell... i don't know what to do now.
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21:57:27felix_netso... any ideas?
21:57:30preglowcan't help you there
21:57:41linuxstbfelix_net: Does "fdisk -l" list your ipod?
21:58:13Mikachudo ipods use recorder/keyboard.c or player/keyboard.c?
21:58:29felix_netby the looks of it, 2 partitions one empty one, one fat32
21:58:33linuxstbEverything with a bitmapped LCD uses the files in recorder/
21:58:40Mikachuthat explains some things :)
21:58:53linuxstbfelix_net: So what's the problem? Just mount the fat32 one.
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21:59:21preglowsharpe: handling stuff like that at a distance is never easy
21:59:22felix_neti get the response that /dev/sda2 is not a valid blcok device.
21:59:52linuxstbfelix_net: But "fdisk -l" is listing /dev/sda as being your ipod?
21:59:57sharpebut i can't really do much to help them right now...
22:00:03preglowthat being the point, yes
22:00:13felix_net"iPod" is not mentioned, but it appears to be my ipod
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22:00:28sharpenever really get to talk to them either, so yeh
22:00:42felix_netthe logical and physical ends on the 2nd partition (sda2) is what I think the problem is
22:01:28Mikachuah great, i can just add japanese characters to the keyboard and it works :)
22:01:55midkayiPod backlight fading!? alright, after all these features that have piled in over the past few days.. now i _have_ to update. :)
22:02:08sharpemidkay, :)
22:02:19linuxstbfelix_net: Can you paste the line from "fdisk -l" for /dev/sda2 ?
22:02:22Mikachuis FONT_UI the font i have selected in the UI?
22:02:35midkayMikachu, yes
22:02:40Mikachui know that sounds like a stupid question but the comment says /* system proportional font */
22:02:48felix_net/dev/sda2 6 3648 29262397+ b W95 FAT32
22:02:48felix_netPartition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
22:02:48felix_net phys=(1023, 254, 63) logical=(3647, 254, 63)
22:02:57midkayif the line beneath is FONT_UI, then the comment is wrong.. :)
22:03:07Mikachuthey're on the same line
22:03:09Mikachu FONT_UI, /* system porportional font*/
22:03:37preglowmidkay: send beer!
22:03:45Mikachui need to use that font to actually see my chars
22:03:52midkayFONT_UI is the user-selected one, so.. the comment is wrong.
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22:04:19midkaypreglow, bah :)
22:04:26midkaypreglow, not til i'm sure it works deliciously.
22:04:32linuxstbfelix_net: How did you install Rockbox?
22:04:39preglowit does at all but the longest fade times :/
22:04:55midkaydefine longest?
22:05:05sharpelonger than longer?
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22:05:06Mikachu10 seconds i think
22:05:24midkaypreglow, btw, why do you need to add the define into the source? why isn't it there already, if it's working fine?
22:06:21preglowmidkay: 10 secs is long
22:06:26preglowmidkay: what source?
22:06:36felix_netlinuxstb: i used the stock rockboot.bin from the website and the rockbox zip
22:06:41preglowmidkay: i have only added it for those targets i know it works on
22:06:45felix_netbleeding edge @ the time
22:07:06preglowmidkay: i only added that comment so people knew how easy it is to try for their target, 'cause it wasn't easy at all before i fixed it
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22:08:02preglowmidkay: got that?
22:08:12midkaypreglow, no..
22:08:16midkaycrashed.. weird.
22:08:17preglowmidkay: i have only added it for those targets i know it works on
22:08:22preglowmidkay: i only added that comment so people knew how easy it is to try for their target, 'cause it wasn't easy at all before i fixed it
22:08:37midkaypreglow, so me testing it for the 5G means it'd be confirmed and added in CVS?
22:08:48midkaycool. alright. :)
22:08:51preglowit is added for iriver h1xx, ipod nano and ipod 5g
22:08:56midkaytrying it now.. got to update my source..
22:08:56sharpewhat are you testing?
22:09:38linuxstbfelix_net: There is no rockboot.bin on the website...
22:09:51midkaysharpe, iPod nano/5g backlight fading..
22:10:20felix_netoops, i mean the bootloader from the website
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22:10:58sharpei've tested the patch for the 5g haven't i?
22:11:01felix_neti compiled my rockboot.bin from source
22:11:57linuxstbfelix_net: I'm not sure what to suggest. Installing the Rockbox bootloader shouldn't affect the partition table on your ipod - and it sounds like the partition table is broken.
22:12:41sharpehmm... what to do, what to do...
22:13:22felix_netso i guess i need to try again?
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22:14:54midkaysharpe, *cough* packaged while playing screens, meaning within a zip file, and perhaps the addition of decompression! *cough*
22:14:58linuxstbfelix_net: Did you make a backup of your MBR - the "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin count=1" command?
22:15:43sharpemidkay *cough* remember that problem *cough* with the attempted *cough* loading *cough* of the wps?
22:16:07midkaysharpe, *couGH* uuuum... yes? *cough* fix it *cough* *cough* *COUGH!!!*
22:16:09linuxstbfelix_net: Just try restoring that - "dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sda". Then unplug your ipod, and plug it back in.
22:16:14felix_netis it supposed to be this small?
22:16:21linuxstbYes - just 512 bytes.
22:16:31felix_netok, hold for a sec
22:16:47sharpemidkay, *cough* i've no idea how to? *cough*
22:17:09midkaysharpe, well then. well then! well. then. ask. :)
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22:17:44felix_netit booted back into rockbox
22:18:12linuxstbOK, now plug it into your computer - your ipod should reboot into disk mode.
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22:18:52felix_netnow in disk mode
22:18:52sharpemidkay, lets make the rbz format, with special compression uniqe to rockbox! :)
22:19:02Yashhi there, does anyone have screenshots of rockbox running on ipod?
22:19:08Yashipod photo or anything?
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22:19:13sharpecheck the wps gallery
22:19:15sharpein the wiki
22:19:24felix_netYash: that's what i'm running now
22:19:25sharpenear the bottom
22:19:29midkaysharpe, um. i thought the problem was loading the WPS, whatever format or compression it was in? :)
22:19:30linuxstbYash: Just install it yourself... You can easily uninstall if you don't like it.
22:19:35Yashfelix_net, cool
22:19:37Yashlinuxstb, sure
22:20:10sharpeyeah, it was with loading the wps, but with a compression format already in place, twould be easier to implement once (if) the problem was ever solved.
22:20:13felix_netlinuxstb: what's next?
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22:20:28linuxstbfelix_net: Is it working?
22:20:36YashI heard rockbox doesn't require iTunes? I can just dump in songs like I would in any other portable HDD?
22:20:45linuxstbfelix_net: Also, did Rockbox boot happilly?
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22:21:01Yashand make folders too ?
22:21:02felix_neti still can't mount, but rockbox booted fine
22:21:03midkaysharpe, two things.. one, you should definitely get the WPS loading working before you start working on compression or whatnot.. and two, again, we'd probably get tons of questions on "what is an rbz file" and "how do i make one".. :)
22:21:07preglowaiff.c doesn't handle 8 bit files correctly at all...
22:21:17PhR3aKyes it turns your ipod to a ums player
22:21:24linuxstbfelix_net: Then I think it's a Linux problem - if Rockbox started, then that means the disk in your ipod is fine.
22:21:30sharpebut then we can make an elaborate faq and point people to it every time they asked :)
22:21:30YashPhR3aK, ums?
22:21:36felix_netguess its debian
22:21:39sharpeusb mass storage
22:21:56sharpeor universal, depending on who says it
22:22:03PhR3aKyeah means that its handled as an usual hdd
22:22:15linuxstbfelix_net: I sometimes get USB strangeness (I'm using Debian as well) - a reboot is sometimes needed to get USB working again.
22:22:26midkaysharpe, i don't think the dev team would be too happy about having a proprietary extension.. and, you say compression? how would you open it? :)
22:22:32linuxstbpreglow complains about the same thing under Ubuntu IIRC.
22:22:46preglowit's a linux thing
22:22:46felix_netwell, then I'm going to reboot, i'll log back in a few minutes. bbl
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22:23:04sharpemidkay, well, it'd be handled by a plugin...
22:23:08pregloware we talking about the battery thing?
22:23:19midkaysharpe, what about creating them i mean? viewing them outside of rockbox?
22:23:26YashI'm going to try installing rockbox now ;)
22:23:30MmmmMy suse keeps freezing when I transfer data to my Iriver....very annnoying!
22:23:33YashI hope it doesnt drain the battery out too fast?
22:23:42sharpemmm... we make a utility to package them :)
22:23:59midkaysharpe, fu, that's too complicated. uncompressed zip!! :)
22:24:10preglowahh, right, that
22:24:10sharpewell, we have that then.
22:24:14preglowyeah, that's a linux problem
22:24:18preglowand for me it applies to all usb devices
22:24:56PhR3aK(Yash): why should it?
22:25:19YashPhR3aK, I was just wondering, so wanted to clear it in my mind, hehe.. sorry if I offended you
22:25:56linuxstbYash: Yes - shorter battery life is the main disadvantage of Rockbox compared to the Apple firmware. But that can only improve.
22:26:21PhR3aKno i think (i dont really know, ive got no dap with rockbox running)
22:26:34linuxstbBut the way I see it is that 7.5 hours of FLAC playback under Rockbox beats zero hours of FLAC under the Apple firmware.
22:26:43PhR3aKhm but a guy on said that rockbox could improve battery life
22:26:46midkaypreglow, fading woks perfectly on my 5g.. beautiful. :) (if it was your work: nice job!)
22:27:32Yashcool.. I'll install it now
22:27:45sharpewe hath converted another! :)
22:27:50preglowscrew the thanks, send beer!
22:28:00midkaypreglow, even 10 seconds works 100% fine. it looks a little "steppy", but it's fine. :)
22:28:06preglowyeah, it does look steppy
22:28:09preglowat least towards the end
22:28:16preglowbut there's nothing i can do about that
22:28:18midkaypreglow, screw the beer, you need to go to alcoholics anonymous.
22:28:20preglowi think, at least
22:28:20linuxstbOnly 44 million more ipod users to go...
22:28:33preglowmidkay: i'm not particularily anonymous
22:28:45sharpeyeah. you're 'preglow'
22:29:04midkaypreglow, you can be. it's alright!
22:29:18preglowand i regret to inform i haven't got near enough money to drink as often as it'd require to be an alcoholic :/
22:29:22preglowbut i try, goddamnit!
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22:31:10sharpemidkay, wish to help me find out how to get the wps loading working?
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22:31:30midkaysharpe, i've offered a few times over the past few days. i would indeed have a look.. :)
22:31:33felix_nethi all
22:31:47felix_netturns out a reboot fixed it
22:31:51midkayno guarantees.. infact, almost the opposite of guarantees, but... :)
22:32:05sharpeheh, at least you can't do worse than what i've gotten.
22:32:55felix_netexcept now that it refuses to un-mount
22:33:10midkaysharpe, i wouldn't be so sure. :)
22:34:06Mmmmsolexx, preglow...if I send beer in the post, is it possible you might consider committing the remote support for peakmeter/recording screen patch? :)
22:34:22Yashwill i still be able to view photos on my ipod photo after rockbox installation?
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22:34:26sharpehmm... maybe grepping for 'wps' in everything was not such a good idea.
22:35:29linuxstbYash: Yes - Rockbox doesn't affect how the Apple firmware works. Also, Rockbox has a very nice JPEG viewer itself.
22:36:53Yashwhich build should i download?
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22:37:12YashI'll download the latest one?
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22:37:23webguest94Hi, I have a question about file sorting
22:38:58webguest94I noticed with my Archos Jokebox Recorder 20 that the software could only sort on the first 42 characters in the filename. So all identifying info−−artist, title, track #−−had to be in those 42 characters. Does Rockbox improve on that?
22:39:12crashdevening chaps
22:40:29tucozwebguest94, I would assume yes, but maybe someone else could confirm?
22:41:14webguest94I just re-ripped my collection and I'd hate to have to truncate everything again to be able to have it in order
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22:44:00tucozAnyone know the file-length limit in Rockbox?
22:44:30YashRockbox installed perfect, but I don't see color on the menu, any idea why?
22:45:17linuxstbYou can change the colours in the settings.
22:45:29linuxstbDefault is just black on a very light blue.
22:45:44tucozwebguest94, on the feature comparison chart it says rockbox have 260 chars filename limit
22:45:47linuxstbtucoz: MAX_PATH is 260 bytes
22:45:53Yashtrue, how do i exit sudoku, lol, i'm stuck there
22:46:04linuxstbSHIFT+MENU exits most plugins
22:46:08tucozlinuxstb, thanks. Do you have an answer for webguest94 ?
22:46:24webguest94well, 260 is a bit of an improvement over 42 hehehehe
22:46:28Yashshift + menu? there's no shift on an ipod
22:46:29linuxstbYash: You may want to read this:
22:46:39linuxstb:) Sorry, I mean SELECT (the centre button)
22:46:48webguest94oh I misunderstood
22:46:51Yashgotcha! thanks buddy, i'll read the FAQ
22:47:04linuxstbwebguest94: But yes, Rockbox should use all 260 characters when sorting.
22:47:18Mikachudoes PATH_MAX not include the path to the file too?
22:47:20tucozwebguest94, you should give Rockbox a try either way. Have a look at this page for feature comparison.
22:47:29linuxstbMikachu: Good point...
22:47:44webguest94I saw that one. I'm very interested... was never happy with the Archos software
22:48:16tucozwebguest94, so, it's 260 chars including the path to the file.
22:48:18webguest94I guess, as long as I don't have an insane number of nested directories, I should be fine
22:48:25linuxstbwebguest94: If you have problems with the maximum length of files, you can always compile your own version, and extend the limit.
22:48:49crashdhas anyone had any trouble removing a cygwin install ?
22:48:56webguest94I have not the programming skill.
22:48:57crashd i need to install it elsewhere and want to delete this old copy
22:49:08Mikachucrashd: so just delete the dir?
22:49:08Yashlinuxstb, i read it, thanks.. also, I change the theme, it just looks the same, no changes
22:49:12crashdMikachu: no deal
22:49:14Mikachui thought it was pretty self contained
22:49:14crashdaccess denied ;\
22:49:24crashdfor some reason the symlinks and some of the binary files are weirded out in perms
22:49:26Mikachucrashd: sure you've exited all cygwin processes?
22:49:42Mikachuwindows sucks with deleting files, sometimes you just can't
22:49:50webguest94Anyway, I keep everything divided by genre. Only two levels at most.
22:50:28crashdwell, it shouldnt be this retarded ;\
22:50:59webguest94I'm also considering putting in a larger hard drive... anybody try that with Rockbox?
22:51:30linuxstbYes, lots of people have upgraded their hard drive. Rockbox has no problems with them.
22:52:37Mmmmcrashd: when I used windows I used a program called unlocker to delete files...always did the trick!
22:53:08webguest94Thanks for all your help. Looking forward to trying it.
22:53:10crashdill give it a spin
22:53:15crashdive tried a few random deleters
22:53:32Yashwhere can I download themes from?
22:53:52Mikachui added hiragana to the keyboard entry and changed to linear search, and it found my entry :)
22:53:55webguest94l8r all
22:54:14Mikachu(all of this is hacks so far)
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22:55:13linuxstbYash: The WPSGallery wiki page, or try this forum thread:
22:55:35Mikachuwhat is the stb in your nick?
22:55:45linuxstbYash: Sorry, WpsGallery -
22:56:04Yashcool beans, thanks linuxstb, you're 'very' helpful.. i appreciate all your help
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22:56:31Yashnone of them are for the photo ipod tho :/
22:57:22preglowit would rock if the playback file loader could somehow guarantee alignment for content :>
22:57:34preglowi'm tired of reading uncompressed data byte per byte
22:58:05linuxstbMikachu: set-top box It's an old project I was involved with.....
22:59:23linuxstbIt became my username at Sourceforge, then I joined Rockbox with the name (back when Rockbox used Sourceforge for everything), and it followed me to IRC.
22:59:52Mikachumy curiosity finally made me ask :)
23:00:20sharpei keep thinking it's 'std'
23:00:22Mikachunow i just need to make the dict plugin make an index of matches and display all of them instead of just the first...
23:00:23sharpefor standard...
23:00:31Mikachuor sexually transmittable disease
23:00:44sharpeyeah, but linux isn't that
23:03:22moodelynis there a limit on the lenght of a theme or wps name? getting really weird behaviour in the sim that seems to go away after i rename my theme/wps to something shorter ("Nudel Green 5GAA" works but "Nudel Green 5G Album Art" means seleting the theme is often ignored, or i get the backdrop but none of the text in the WPS)
23:05:50linuxstbYes, I it's 20 characters for filenames stored in the settings.
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23:06:16moodelynah ok :) that was very confusing for a moment
23:07:29Yashwhy are songs skipping in rockbox?
23:07:45moodelynon ipod? turn off the equaliser and it should fix it
23:08:04moodelynthere's not enough CPU right now with some music formats (esp. mp3)/EQ settings
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23:09:10Yashyup, that fixed it, coool
23:09:20Yashim loving every moment of rockbox yet :)
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23:09:43linuxstbpreglow: Is there any room for optimisation in the EQ on iPod, or do we need to look at the codecs?
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23:10:01Mikachudo all ipods have two cpus or only nano and video?
23:10:03Yashany idea when the battery meter will work on photo ipods?
23:10:17moodelynapparently all of them do Mikachu, even the first generation ones
23:10:22linuxstbMikachu: Every ipod - going back to the first generation.
23:10:59*moodelyn wonders when someone's going to write a SETI client for rockbox :)
23:11:18sharperight after we get the networking functionality :)
23:11:26linuxstbAnd ever-lasting batteries...
23:11:40sharpeheh, 'seti-on-the-go'
23:12:09moodelynhmm, do i need to remove the clock patch i installed before i update from cvs, or will the update be identical to teh patch and cvs will work it all out for me?
23:12:13muesli__Paprica watching baby tv every day? ;-))
23:12:18YashIts still skipping, I made the Enable EQ to NO
23:12:27Yashit skips in the beginning and then smoothens up
23:12:35Mikachumoodelyn: copy the file first to be safe
23:12:51linuxstbYash: What kind of files are you playing?
23:13:04Mikachumoodelyn: or you can just delete it and update if you haven't made any changes yourself
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23:13:09moodelynbugger, i deleted the .patch file and it's not in flyspray anymore... oops
23:13:10Mikachumoodelyn: and it will be redownloaded
23:13:29moodelyni've got some other patches installed... might just delete everything and re-patch. easier i guess
23:13:35Yashlinuxstb: I'm playing .mp3 files
23:13:42linuxstbYash: What bitrate?
23:13:55Mikachumoodelyn: oh, i thought you meant for the clock plugin which is just one file
23:14:00moodelynYash do you have the peekmeter being displayed on the while-playing screen?
23:14:10MikachuYash: try just going out to the menu
23:14:32Yashmoodelyn, yes, peekmeter is on
23:14:35YashMikachu, no luck
23:14:47moodelynpeekmeter causes skipping as well i think, at the moment
23:15:15Yashwhere do I disable that from?
23:15:24linuxstbChoose a different theme/wps file.
23:15:37linuxstbBut I'm surprised Rockbox can't handle 128kbps files and the peakmeter.
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23:16:18Yashalso, when will the battery indicator start working for photo ipod or any in general as i read its still being worked upon
23:17:04Yashchanging the theme worked fine, no skipping anymore
23:18:34Mikachuhm, i thought the peakmeter didn't take any power when not visible
23:19:21Yashno idea about the battery?
23:19:42Yashalso, whats voice?
23:20:11Mikachuspoken menus and stuff
23:20:18Yashoh, coooool
23:20:26Mikachumostly if you happen to be blind i guess
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23:21:27*amiconn is back
23:21:40*muesli__ cheers @ amiconn
23:22:09muesli__back in berlin?
23:22:37muesli__wow..ur fast ;)
23:22:43ohrnI've just hit a weird bug
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23:22:53BoD[away]Hey I have a question
23:22:58ohrnif I try to bot into the original firmware on my H300 it instantly turns off
23:23:20BoD[away]on my ipod (don't know if it's the same with other targets), the voume is indicated in "db"
23:23:21ohrnthe only way I can get into to the original firmware right now it to attach the charger
23:23:29BoD[away]0db is the max volume
23:23:43amiconnohrn: You have to hold Play for some seconds to give the original firmware a chance to see it's pressed
23:23:47BoD[away]is there a way to use another unit ... one with 0 being the lowest volume? :)
23:23:49ohrnit used to work properly before, just hold rec
23:23:52sharpeyeah, everytime the firmware boots up, it and rockbox duel. generally the firmware loses, so that's why it shuts off.
23:23:54ohrnhas anyone else seen this?
23:23:56amiconnOriginal H300 firmware is slow...
23:24:13Bgeramiconn wb:)
23:24:25linuxstbBoD[away]: No.
23:25:05BoD[away]linuxstb: is it the same with other targets?
23:25:05ohrnamiconn: he, yea, your right
23:25:11ohrnif I keep holding play is boots
23:25:17ohrnI never noticed this before
23:25:23MikachuBoD[away]: just add 76 to the number and multiply by 1.3157894 :P
23:25:31Mikachuor whatever the lowest db value is on your target
23:25:38ohrnnot that I ever use the original firmware anymore
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23:25:57Mikachuthat should give you a number between 0 and 100 that doesn't say very much
23:26:15BoD[away]Mikachu: you mean recompile the firmware for that I guess?
23:26:21linuxstbBoD[away]: Yes - that's one of the reasons for the use of a dB value. It's consistent across all Rockbox targets (and with other consumer electronics using dB).
23:26:23Bgerand you can train yourself to do quick float math :P
23:26:24MikachuBoD[away]: no i just meant in your head, but i was joking
23:26:40BoD[away]Mikachu: ahhh :)
23:26:44BoD[away]linuxstb: ok
23:27:09BoD[away]but humm.. am I the only one who finds that it's not 100% "user friendly" ? ;)
23:27:25ohrnI just tried out the backlight fading patch checked in by Thom
23:27:30ohrnbut its an instant crash on H300
23:27:55Bgerohrn it's supposed to work on ipods and iriver h1x0 ..
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23:28:43ohrnwell, the code has a bunch of ifdefs and code to handle a H300
23:28:44BgerBoD[away] really, it's just a matter of habbit
23:29:00BoD[away]I guess
23:29:27ohrnbut obviously it doesnt work yet
23:29:42amiconnBacklight fading isn't supposed to work on H300