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| 00:00:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I've successfully added/removed hardware simply by editing the .vmx file (or at least modified hardware, to get my CD-Rom recognized, and to remove the floppy, and disable USB) |
| 00:01:39 | XavierGr | really? I thought it had to do with software. |
| 00:02:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I dunno. So far I've only disabled a few things, and changed the CD-Rom from /dev/ whatever to D: so that it worked in windows. |
| 00:02:10 | XavierGr | Paul: Can you access your NTFS files from the emulate Linux machine? |
| 00:02:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I dunno. I've created a shortcut on my desktop to my home folder on the Linux machine, and just manipulate them from windows, rather than the other way around. |
| 00:03:23 | XavierGr | ah so linux can see your windows files. |
| 00:03:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | So windows can see my linux files. |
| 00:03:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, close enough |
| 00:03:53 | XavierGr | I want to edit files from windows and then compile them through linux |
| 00:04:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, while running the VM, check under your local area network and it should show up as a computer on it. |
| 00:04:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Your Home folder on the virtual linux machine is actually shared on the network, so you can directly modify files in it rather easily |
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| 00:10:02 | XavierGr | ahh, shite! I have disabled all LAN services in WIndows XP. |
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| 00:10:20 | XavierGr | And I am too lazy to reenable them. |
| 00:10:27 | webguest11 | Can't you still browse |
| 00:10:37 | webguest11 | Start > Run > \\debian |
| 00:10:39 | webguest11 | and enter |
| 00:10:47 | webguest11 | user:user pass:rockbox |
| 00:11:01 | XavierGr | no, it can't find it |
| 00:11:11 | | Quit Rincewind_12 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:11:15 | webguest11 | Strange |
| 00:12:01 | XavierGr | I have disabled many services like "server" and stuff. |
| 00:12:16 | afruff23 | anybody need a good laugh? Read the last two pages of this thread. It has 2 PRO-MTP guys. Media Transfer Protocol vs. USB Mass Storage; who will win? |
| 00:12:16 | XavierGr | hmmm |
| 00:12:17 | afruff23 | http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7164&page=4 |
| 00:13:09 | webguest11 | XavierGr: I don't see why it shouldn't still be able to work as a client.. but that's windows for you I guess |
| 00:13:20 | XavierGr | I will make a small FAT32 partition. Then I will mount it on Linux. From there I could easily alter fines from windows and compile from Linux without either OS knowing of the other, |
| 00:13:46 | webguest11 | The guest OS can't see your host hardware |
| 00:13:55 | webguest11 | and vice versa |
| 00:14:23 | XavierGr | I think it could. At least with Full VMware. |
| 00:14:29 | webguest11 | They'll pretty much have to communicate over the virtual network (unless you install full vmware and use raw disk access, but that's discouraged) |
| 00:15:03 | XavierGr | Only to think that I have a very good cygwin setup. |
| 00:15:19 | XavierGr | But the time savings of compile is very tempting |
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| 00:17:34 | XavierGr | Hmm I had disabled network connectivity from VMware. Now windows can see the files |
| 00:17:39 | XavierGr | Thanks webguest11@ |
| 00:18:11 | webguest11 | Ah, well that'd explain it yes.. |
| 00:18:22 | webguest11 | it is indeed amazingy handy |
| 00:18:48 | XavierGr | so how windows manage to see a linux PC? |
| 00:18:52 | XavierGr | Samba? |
| 00:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 00:19:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or "Yes" |
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| 00:19:42 | XavierGr | Nice, nice indeed. Now I've got to find copy paste. |
| 00:20:46 | webguest11 | XavierGr: Download http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe run it, enter "debian" as address and click open |
| 00:22:19 | * | Bagder spots 2.6.16 |
| 00:22:42 | preglow | let's port rockbox to linux!! |
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| 00:23:34 | Bagder | :-P |
| 00:23:36 | webguest11 | Fullscreen sim!1!11one |
| 00:24:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the Rockbox sim ran a little bit better, it'd make a decent stand-alone audio player. |
| 00:24:12 | Bagder | we should make it run better |
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| 00:24:41 | XavierGr | "Network Error Connection Refused" |
| 00:24:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Is yours the new or old VMWare setup? |
| 00:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Because the original image didn't have SSH. |
| 00:25:10 | XavierGr | don't tell me |
| 00:25:22 | XavierGr | image size? |
| 00:25:44 | XavierGr | 92.3mb for me |
| 00:25:58 | XavierGr | 96.825.983 bytes |
| 00:25:59 | webguest11 | dpkg −−list ssh |
| 00:26:27 | webguest11 | That should either show a version or tell that now such package is installed |
| 00:26:37 | webguest11 | either way, apt-get install ssh will take care of it |
| 00:26:39 | XavierGr | yup. no packages found |
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| 00:26:46 | webguest11 | wait, no |
| 00:27:07 | webguest11 | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 00:27:24 | webguest11 | (as root) |
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| 00:29:09 | XavierGr | it couldn't find openssh-server so I just installed ssh |
| 00:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is ssh just the client though? |
| 00:29:34 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wouldn't know. |
| 00:29:42 | webguest11 | No, I think ssh includes both |
| 00:29:52 | webguest11 | openssh-server is apparently newer than sarge |
| 00:29:57 | XavierGr | Allow ssh protocl 2 only? |
| 00:30:02 | webguest11 | yes |
| 00:32:11 | XavierGr | ok all is fine now I managed to log in. |
| 00:32:21 | XavierGr | BTW how is it possible that I am logged twice? |
| 00:32:40 | XavierGr | what If I run another instance of ssh and log again? |
| 00:32:49 | webguest11 | There's no problem in that |
| 00:33:09 | webguest11 | you can do it pretty much as many times as you want |
| 00:33:29 | XavierGr | so now I can copy paste to putty. |
| 00:33:48 | XavierGr | so everything I want to do is type it there |
| 00:33:53 | XavierGr | ah I got it |
| 00:34:02 | XavierGr | it is like commanding the linux maching from ssh |
| 00:34:09 | XavierGr | maching = machine |
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| 00:34:41 | XavierGr | Great! Your help is valuable webguest11! Thanks again. |
| 00:34:47 | webguest11 | Exactly |
| 00:35:15 | webguest11 | Of course it all gets vastly more confusing since both computers are the same computer |
| 00:35:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 00:36:23 | XavierGr | -bash: ../tools/configure: Permission denied Do I have to be root to do this? |
| 00:36:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has never needed to be root to do that... |
| 00:37:05 | Bagder | XavierGr: no |
| 00:37:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Did you just copy over your sources, or did you use CVS to download it? |
| 00:38:19 | XavierGr | Truth is that I copied my entire cvs to the new linux folder. |
| 00:38:28 | XavierGr | Right now I am downloading a new cvs |
| 00:39:46 | XavierGr | I am very curious to see how much faster it is from cygwin |
| 00:39:57 | Moos | preglow in case you didn't sptoted it yet: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-03/0171.shtml |
| 00:40:03 | Bagder | should be a lot faster |
| 00:40:13 | XavierGr | So paul it seems that I have the old image. Any packages that I must install? |
| 00:40:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I'd recommend apt-get installing zip at least, as I've found "Make zip" doesn't work very well without it. ;-) |
| 00:41:03 | XavierGr | what abput patch or cvs utils? |
| 00:41:09 | XavierGr | ^about |
| 00:41:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Patch is needed as well |
| 00:41:11 | midkay | Bagder, btw, cool that you updated the main page with a better list of targets.. what do you think about a quick mention of a few features as well? (e.g. codec support - ogg/flac/wavpack playback on the iRivers - definitely an attractor).. |
| 00:41:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't *think* cvsutils are there, but I don't use them generally so I haven't checked |
| 00:41:45 | Bagder | midkay: I don't think we need that there |
| 00:42:03 | Bagder | but then I am old and grumpy ;-) |
| 00:42:29 | webguest11 | I agree with whoever said a few days ago that the webpage doesn't convey much information for the newcomer |
| 00:42:49 | webguest11 | Like why would I use rockbox over the retailos |
| 00:42:53 | midkay | Bagder, if you say so. :) i just think that there might be some instances where someone comes by and wonders why he should use it and why it's better than the iriver firmware.. one or two major rockbox features might make them take a second look (not that it's our loss if they don't) :) |
| 00:43:25 | midkay | especially the wide range of codec support.. crossfading and gapless as well.. |
| 00:43:42 | Bagder | I'd rather see a big link like "First Visistors Guide to What Rockbox is" or something like that |
| 00:43:54 | midkay | things that many people probably think are very much impossible on the device.. |
| 00:44:00 | markun | Bagder: and what it is not |
| 00:44:19 | preglow | aRGH |
| 00:44:20 | midkay | Bagder, ah, like a brief introduction.. |
| 00:44:21 | Bagder | it is a device for blind people, right? ;-) |
| 00:44:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | How 'bout this: |
| 00:44:36 | midkay | haha, yes, that's also a very nice feature :) |
| 00:44:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | A link at the very top that says "Why choose Rockbox?" and leads to a Key Features-style page. |
| 00:45:03 | Bagder | I like that |
| 00:45:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way it doesn't stuff up the front page, but still clearly tells people where to go for a quick summary and incentive to change. |
| 00:45:18 | Moos | isn't the numerous features link enough? maybe change his name? |
| 00:45:20 | midkay | i wouldn't mind creating a wiki page like that if it's something that would be added to the front page.. |
| 00:45:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Moos: The numerous features page tends to confuse absolute newbies with too much info. |
| 00:45:40 | midkay | Moos, it's kind of long and (almost) complicated.. |
| 00:45:50 | Bagder | maybe that link should then be removed |
| 00:45:51 | Moos | hehe, right :-) |
| 00:45:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think plaintext is easier for the uninitiated than a complicated table |
| 00:46:24 | midkay | tons of effectively irrelevant information for many new users.. maybe remove the features link and add a "Why should I use Rockbox?" link to the top or in its place.. |
| 00:46:34 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:46:35 | Moos | midkay, Paul_The_Nerd: go make a new Wiki page then ;-) |
| 00:46:54 | midkay | again, i would if there were interest.. and there appears to be, hmm.. :) |
| 00:47:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Get to it! :-P |
| 00:47:03 | XavierGr | FrontpageImplementationProposal |
| 00:47:12 | Bagder | no |
| 00:47:23 | Bagder | just the page for the "Why Choose Rockbox" |
| 00:47:34 | midkay | haha. |
| 00:47:44 | midkay | so, like.. WhyRockbox i guess? |
| 00:47:51 | Bagder | sounds fine to me |
| 00:48:06 | midkay | alright. *wiki-ing* :) |
| 00:50:58 | XavierGr | which is the command for detailed current time? |
| 00:51:10 | XavierGr | I used date but I can't find seconds |
| 00:51:56 | midkay | %s probably? it's all in CustomWPS.. |
| 00:52:01 | midkay | no, wait.. |
| 00:52:18 | XavierGr | I mean in Linux |
| 00:52:26 | midkay | oh. haha. no idea.. |
| 00:53:31 | XavierGr | found it |
| 00:55:13 | XavierGr | silly me it displays seconds by default. |
| 00:55:28 | XavierGr | now time for benchmark |
| 00:55:33 | midkay | haha. |
| 00:55:34 | midkay | :) |
| 00:55:46 | XavierGr | time && make && time |
| 00:55:54 | XavierGr | time = date |
| 00:56:53 | XavierGr | it seems fast! |
| 00:57:25 | XavierGr | (I hope this is not placebo) |
| 00:57:36 | preglow | argh |
| 00:57:50 | preglow | i assume the stereo width setting is not supposed to glitch around 100% setting? |
| 00:58:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: For many people it takes half the time |
| 00:59:25 | linuxstb | Has anyone compared VMWare/Linux with native Linux on the same hardware? |
| 00:59:27 | markun | preglow: if that's just left - mono and right - mono I don't think it should glitch |
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| 00:59:42 | XavierGr | shite! Putty doesn't have a big screen buffer and I lost the starting time. I will rerun after make clean |
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| 01:00:08 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Just type "time make" |
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| 01:00:28 | Bagder | also, on linux you should consider using "configure −−ccache" |
| 01:00:35 | XavierGr | that will time a command? |
| 01:00:40 | Bagder | but now I'll sleep! |
| 01:00:41 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Yes. |
| 01:00:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | ccache? |
| 01:00:53 | XavierGr | nite Bagder! |
| 01:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'night Bagder |
| 01:00:57 | XavierGr | Neat! |
| 01:00:59 | midkay | night Bagder |
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| 01:01:30 | sharpe | blah. |
| 01:01:32 | XavierGr | wow! make clean and make veryclean is very fast on linux |
| 01:02:20 | preglow | markun: no, it shouldn't glitch, i'm just doing something wrong in the fixed point stuff here |
| 01:02:47 | webguest11 | XavierGr: you can define the screen buffer size in the putty options.. somewhere |
| 01:02:50 | bagawk | XavierGr: yes, using cygwin is like putting a ferrari stearing wheel in a ford pinto |
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| 01:03:31 | XavierGr | webguest11 are there any mods for putty? To customize fonts screen e.t.c? Or all these are part of putty? |
| 01:03:58 | XavierGr | real 1m29.667s |
| 01:03:58 | XavierGr | user 0m27.296s |
| 01:03:58 | XavierGr | sys 1m1.921s |
| 01:04:27 | XavierGr | so it did 1 minute and 30 seconds from a make veryclean state. |
| 01:04:32 | XavierGr | That seems superb |
| 01:05:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Took me 1m41s, including Doom. |
| 01:05:10 | webguest11 | XavierGr: All part of putty, you can set it before you connect, or change some of them by right-clicking the titlebar and choose.. something |
| 01:05:19 | webguest11 | Should be obvious |
| 01:05:26 | webguest11 | which one to chose, that is |
| 01:05:44 | XavierGr | no wait. I see some nothing to make in the build log. |
| 01:05:47 | XavierGr | I will do it again. |
| 01:06:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Probably just the bitmaps |
| 01:07:18 | XavierGr | If things go as I imagine.... I will be in 7th heaven! |
| 01:07:22 | XavierGr | You made my day. |
| 01:07:37 | XavierGr | It is *sweet*.... |
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| 01:08:21 | XavierGr | real 1m31.698s yippie! |
| 01:08:29 | XavierGr | for the h120 build |
| 01:09:54 | joelbryan | Hi I would like to install Rockbox in my ipod mini, does it support ipod mini? |
| 01:10:05 | XavierGr | I think not yet... |
| 01:10:09 | midkay | joelbryan, no. |
| 01:10:20 | midkay | "not yet", right.. |
| 01:10:23 | joelbryan | :-( |
| 01:10:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Definitely "not yet" |
| 01:10:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some work has been done I believe, but it's mostly due to a lack of hardware to test anything on, right? |
| 01:10:51 | midkay | not sure.. |
| 01:10:54 | XavierGr | right |
| 01:10:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I recall someone doing work on it at least. |
| 01:11:30 | joelbryan | fund an ipod |
| 01:11:52 | XavierGr | ok becnhmark for cygwin started! |
| 01:12:03 | * | XavierGr crosses fingers |
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| 01:12:05 | joelbryan | fund an ipod for dev's project. |
| 01:12:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are several devs with iPods, they're just 4Gs, 5Gs and Nanos |
| 01:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And most of the core devs have their own bits they're working on anyway, so it really needs someone with a Mini to come along and work on it |
| 01:13:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *think* there was someone with a Mini doing some work, but I haven't seen much talk about it lately. I'm not sure where they went. |
| 01:13:10 | joelbryan | mine I just bought it for less than $100, ipod mini |
| 01:13:50 | midkay | XavierGr, crossing fingers for a slow build? :)) |
| 01:14:01 | XavierGr | something like that hehe :D |
| 01:14:13 | midkay | hahaha.. |
| 01:14:22 | midkay | just what i'd do :) |
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| 01:15:14 | XavierGr | it is slow! Slow like a turtle. |
| 01:15:29 | XavierGr | It is building the plugins right now. Let's see |
| 01:15:40 | midkay | haha. |
| 01:15:58 | midkay | XavierGr, you're just starting to use.. CoLinux? VMWare? |
| 01:16:11 | XavierGr | VMware. |
| 01:16:34 | midkay | i remember seeing some info about that on the site somewhere - can anyone provide a link? |
| 01:16:35 | XavierGr | but know that I got some more into it I will definitely use coLinux to to see any differences |
| 01:16:40 | sharpe | 'cause he's cool like that. |
| 01:16:52 | midkay | sharpe, what's up? :) |
| 01:16:53 | XavierGr | real 4m27.352s <−−−−−− LOL |
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| 01:17:08 | sharpe | not much, eating, doing class work, etc |
| 01:17:08 | midkay | haha. very cool. |
| 01:17:14 | midkay | i waanaaananananannt vmwaaaaaaarre... |
| 01:17:15 | XavierGr | That's it! I am done with cygwin. |
| 01:17:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 01:17:28 | XavierGr | you mean the full version? |
| 01:17:36 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, that's it. thanks. |
| 01:17:42 | midkay | XavierGr, um, whatever you've got. :) |
| 01:17:56 | XavierGr | because I did it with just the player which is free. (Although I have the full too) |
| 01:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The player works fine for this. |
| 01:18:36 | midkay | i'll just use player, i think. |
| 01:18:39 | XavierGr | yes, definitely. |
| 01:18:41 | sharpe | oh midkay, in addition to the eating and class work, i'm also slightly miserable. so, it's all good. |
| 01:18:57 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:20:00 | XavierGr | I wonder where amiconn build his stuff. IIRC he uses windows, so he must use something among the three. (coLinux, Cygwin, VMware) |
| 01:20:19 | sharpe | i use cygwin |
| 01:20:19 | midkay | sharpe, even better. :) |
| 01:20:35 | midkay | whaddaluser!! |
| 01:20:43 | midkay | (well, i do too.. but.. i plan to use vmware soon!!.. ) |
| 01:20:44 | midkay | :) |
| 01:20:50 | sharpe | ;) |
| 01:21:43 | sharpe | i'm watching the fairly odd parents, and eating spaghetti... then, maybe off to code the wps loader some more. |
| 01:21:54 | XavierGr | now I will have to import my settings, profiles, aliases, scripts and stuff. And my new development tree will be ready. |
| 01:23:10 | midkay | sharpe, haha, cool. |
| 01:24:05 | sharpe | yeh, i lead a leisurely life. |
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| 01:26:45 | midkay | sharpe, well... continue, then. :) |
| 01:26:52 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:29:34 | midkay | XavierGr, what CPU are you running? |
| 01:29:52 | XavierGr | intel pentium 4 at 3.0Ghz |
| 01:29:59 | midkay | cool. :) |
| 01:30:11 | XavierGr | you |
| 01:30:18 | midkay | a64 3700+ at 2.4ghz. |
| 01:30:36 | XavierGr | that will be faster than mine, correct? |
| 01:30:42 | midkay | just curious what cpu got you 1m 30s with vmware.. |
| 01:30:49 | midkay | yes, probably slightly.. |
| 01:31:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: My 1:40 was with doom, and I'm on an Athlon64 Mobile 3400+ |
| 01:31:18 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, cool, i remember doom itself taking like 45 seconds or a minute on cygwin for me.. |
| 01:31:29 | midkay | that was the "old" doom though.. not the latest "new code" one.. |
| 01:31:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: This is the old doom. I was building for Nano, which the new code doesn't like last I checked. |
| 01:31:47 | XavierGr | I bought my brothers an amd sempron 64bit. I installed him windows XP proffesional 64 bit version. Only to find that there are major miscompatibilities |
| 01:31:53 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right.. great. |
| 01:32:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Also, it's an AMD64 mobile DTR, so the speed should be comparable to the desktop version of the 3400+ |
| 01:32:13 | midkay | XavierGr, yes, xp 64 is .. well, a nightmare, in the end.. :) |
| 01:32:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, cool. |
| 01:32:24 | XavierGr | so you have 32bit windows or? |
| 01:32:39 | midkay | XavierGr, i tried out 64-bit.. had a little trouble getting the right drivers.. much more with some apps i really needed.. |
| 01:32:54 | midkay | decided to hold off until there's more support and compatibility. |
| 01:33:03 | midkay | wasn't "that much" faster in any case.. |
| 01:33:06 | XavierGr | yeah. I got problems with that all the time. |
| 01:33:16 | midkay | so i'm on 32-bit still, yeah. |
| 01:33:19 | XavierGr | My brother made me to install 32 bit again |
| 01:33:29 | midkay | haha. good choice.. |
| 01:33:54 | midkay | i think by the time vista ships , support should be much better.. maybe that's when i'll go 64-bit.. |
| 01:34:11 | midkay | or try again, at the least. |
| 01:34:11 | XavierGr | I don't plan to upgrade to Vista. |
| 01:34:28 | midkay | your decision. :) |
| 01:34:30 | XavierGr | I think that when Vista is out, I will try to convert to linux |
| 01:35:06 | midkay | i'd consider linux if i didn't have such dependencies on some apps and notably games.. |
| 01:35:07 | midkay | :) |
| 01:35:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, vista has too many "oh, but you can't..." stipulations with it. |
| 01:35:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, what? |
| 01:35:30 | XavierGr | Only with a dualboot we can survive |
| 01:35:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for one thing it's supposed to disallow unsigned drivers entirely |
| 01:35:45 | midkay | XavierGr, yes, for me.. and then it's almost pointless.. having to go back to XP all the time.. |
| 01:35:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then there's that whole "trusted computing" business. |
| 01:35:48 | sharpe | essentially the same for me midkay, except i have some hardware that only is supported by windows... |
| 01:35:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, they can't just disallow unsigned drivers.. |
| 01:36:03 | XavierGr | midkay: Of course there is VMware! |
| 01:36:20 | midkay | i'm sure they'll strongly suggest you don't use them, but there should definitely be an option in system properties to disable such warnings or preventions.. |
| 01:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: That's what the statement I read at microsoft.com somewhere said... |
| 01:36:28 | midkay | sharpe, that too.. |
| 01:36:39 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
| 01:36:45 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i wouldn't believe it if that made it into the final release.. that's nuts. |
| 01:37:07 | sharpe | and my wireless card is only supported by windows, and i don't feel like shelling out more for one to work with linux... |
| 01:37:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think it's nuts too, but I'm definitely waiting for a final say on that before I even think about upgrading. I also want to know how much "Trusted computing" actually gets in the way. |
| 01:37:18 | midkay | not that there wouldn't be workarounds i guess.. hacks/third party patches to disable it, or even "faking" signed drivers.. |
| 01:37:39 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right.. i plan to upgrade, but i do want to hear about all the restrictions before i do.. |
| 01:37:53 | XavierGr | Vista is a very good reason to convert to linux I must say. |
| 01:38:10 | midkay | XavierGr, why in your opinion? |
| 01:38:20 | XavierGr | Maybe Vista will be the big nail into Microsoft if they don't watch out. |
| 01:38:46 | XavierGr | midkay: I am a devoted Windows user, only to discover how locked I am with Microsoft |
| 01:39:01 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 01:39:03 | midkay | btw: |
| 01:39:05 | midkay | The Driver Reliability Signature Program |
| 01:39:05 | midkay | Beginning with the Windows Vista operating system, users who are not administrators will not be able to install unsigned drivers. ... |
| 01:39:05 | midkay | www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlogo/drvsign/dqs.mspx - 35k - Cached - Similar pages |
| 01:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: My big concern is the "trusted computing" modes though. Theoretically with newer processors, programs will be able to have portions of themselves outside of the ability for the user to access, even with administrative priveleges. I don't like that idea at all. |
| 01:39:45 | XavierGr | This mistake mustnt be repeated again. 90 % of the people did the same mistake back then. But then there were no alternatives |
| 01:39:46 | midkay | general consensus seems to be that only admins can install any driver. |
| 01:39:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | privileges |
| 01:40:14 | XavierGr | If poeple turn out to open source things will be much better. |
| 01:40:15 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, true.. i definitely want to hear about things like that before i move to it.. |
| 01:40:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, that's fair then. Last I read was part of a general release statement sort of thing about the drivers. |
| 01:40:25 | XavierGr | I imagine a world free of OSes |
| 01:40:37 | XavierGr | Imagaine the whole world using Linux |
| 01:40:47 | XavierGr | Free, fast and safe |
| 01:41:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was vague on it, and simply said something like "Users will be unable to install unsigned drivers" but didn't specify that admins could. |
| 01:41:06 | XavierGr | companies will crack and start writing apps drivers and games |
| 01:41:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:41:21 | XavierGr | then all will be unified! |
| 01:41:46 | XavierGr | No more "Hey I can't run this on my system" Or my HD isn't recognized by your OS. |
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| 01:42:18 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, it's possible that they said that at first and decided to change it.. |
| 01:42:19 | XavierGr | It is like the metric and the US system. It is just crazy that the world doesn't want to change to one. |
| 01:42:31 | midkay | XavierGr, haha. "fast"? even if that, major incompatibilities.. |
| 01:42:57 | midkay | if Linux worked with all my apps, games, and hardware, quickly and easily. i'd be there immediately. |
| 01:43:01 | XavierGr | major incompatibilities will be obsolete once Linux gets a userbase. |
| 01:43:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's also possible it was yet another of those press releases by an uninformed middle-management person. There have been a few "What they were *supposed* to say was..." style retractions so far |
| 01:43:38 | nudel | i think it's ridiculous that a non-admin can install a program let alone an unsigned driver at the moment |
| 01:44:19 | XavierGr | I am nuts! I am on Windows on the net and use the admin account as my main! |
| 01:44:33 | XavierGr | But I have hardware firewall. |
| 01:44:39 | midkay | xp is great for its (IMO) wide range of compatibility.. often i just plug in a new device and within seconds "Your hardware is installed and ready to use".. that makes me smile.. no drivers/config modification, mounting, permissions.. ugh. |
| 01:45:04 | XavierGr | midkay: Linux didn't had the chance to be like it. |
| 01:45:05 | midkay | it's not exactly that all of that is too hard, but i'd reallly prefer it to just work.. |
| 01:45:06 | nudel | often i plug in an old device and it says my hardware is installed and i have to reboot :) (stupid USB bus) |
| 01:45:15 | XavierGr | Current userbase is 5% |
| 01:45:22 | XavierGr | Companies just don't bother |
| 01:45:30 | midkay | and then dependencies and libraries.. that require other libraries which in turn require other libraries.. |
| 01:45:38 | XavierGr | but when that changes Microsoft and Apple will eat dust. |
| 01:45:47 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, yes, that too perhaps |
| 01:46:19 | XavierGr | We should support linux even if we don't like some things in Linux |
| 01:46:26 | XavierGr | It's free after all! |
| 01:46:35 | nudel | but OS X is Unix with a user-friendly front-end... pretty much exactly what people who want unix to be popular hav ebeen wanting, except it's closed source and costs money... |
| 01:46:57 | nudel | linux isn't free in terms of time and effort. money isn't everything. i've got a lot more money than time :) |
| 01:46:58 | XavierGr | Truth is that I am delaying the convert, but when I will make the leap I will never look back. |
| 01:47:03 | midkay | XavierGr, linux won't get a userbase until it's much easier and "better" - why should you switch? nobody will if there's no reason. <linux> "Our OS is free and open-source, but it takes very long to configure and you need to compile all your own stuff, and install your own drivers and libraries manually." that's not very enticing to most xp users, is it? |
| 01:47:32 | XavierGr | Have you used Ubuntu? |
| 01:47:42 | XavierGr | I was amazed at start |
| 01:47:57 | XavierGr | but I am waiting for some more improvements |
| 01:48:07 | midkay | nudel, agreed at that. at least by default. you can restrict accounts further, of course.. |
| 01:48:10 | nudel | a friend gave me a ubunto boot CD that's been sittin gon my speaker for a few months. haven't had a reason to look at it. |
| 01:48:27 | XavierGr | at least give it a chance |
| 01:48:36 | XavierGr | I won't say that you will convert with it. |
| 01:48:38 | nudel | linux needs a killer app beyond the whole philosophical thing |
| 01:48:40 | XavierGr | But you will change your mind |
| 01:48:59 | XavierGr | Or try Kubuntu if you are a desktop guy |
| 01:49:12 | XavierGr | yes that is true |
| 01:49:30 | XavierGr | but the big leaps will not come unless it has a bigger userbase. |
| 01:49:48 | nudel | chicken & egg :) |
| 01:50:03 | XavierGr | well ;p .... |
| 01:50:21 | XavierGr | I just don't like black boxes! |
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| 01:50:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is that *most* people won't switch if what they've currently got is "Good enough" and the new think doesn't Look cool" |
| 01:51:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you think there are some people who prefer iRiver's firmware to Rockbox still |
| 01:51:09 | nudel | I'd rather have documentation and a company/team that fixes bugs than access to the source code... Sadly Microsoft don't provide any of the above, although their documentation is better than most. |
| 01:51:24 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: Are there such people? I am amazed! |
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| 01:51:59 | midkay | XavierGr, good luck getting it to change.. |
| 01:52:21 | XavierGr | It is harsh. I already tried once. And I failed. |
| 01:52:40 | XavierGr | But I have to do it someday. The cup is full.... |
| 01:52:43 | midkay | there's just no reason to switch. Linux needs to offer more than customizability and development tools to get more users. |
| 01:53:05 | XavierGr | That's why I mentioned Ubuntu |
| 01:53:19 | XavierGr | Ubuntu is the perfect desktop linux distro. |
| 01:53:39 | XavierGr | Having a desktop like KDE make WIndows desktop look like a mice. |
| 01:53:58 | XavierGr | Though problems still exist. |
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| 01:54:28 | XavierGr | And the most discusting thing in Linux is to see various developers waste their man power to apps that overlap. |
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| 01:54:54 | XavierGr | many apps for the same thing... that is a very bad aspect of Linux |
| 01:55:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I bet most of those developers could list a reason why they think either the apps don't overlap, or why they think the *other* app is the inferior one and should just stop. |
| 01:55:30 | XavierGr | Linux needs as you've said killer apps like the whole KDE implementation |
| 01:55:53 | XavierGr | There are too many forks in Linux |
| 01:56:00 | XavierGr | Look at rockbox f.e |
| 01:56:15 | midkay | i used ubunto for a bit.. i personally didn't like it, at least compared to mandriva that i was using before that.. |
| 01:56:15 | XavierGr | I don't know any forks in rockbox |
| 01:56:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: There's two. I think Bluechip has one, and there's definitely one for some in-car MP3 player if I recall |
| 01:56:54 | XavierGr | Well I didn't like Gnome in Ubuntu, Kubuntu fits my needs much more |
| 01:57:07 | preglow | i don't think bluechip's got an actual fork |
| 01:57:13 | preglow | only proper fork i know of is the neo thing |
| 01:57:38 | XavierGr | Interesting, I didn't know that there were forks. |
| 01:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Hrm. I remember someone linking to what was practically a fork, but I could've been wrong. I just skimmed the page, it may have just been a collection of plugins/patches/something |
| 01:58:01 | midkay | bluechip has a few of his own plugins.. so he needs to maintain compatibility with current CVS, or recent builds.. that's not quite a fork, i guess. |
| 01:58:42 | XavierGr | from my little (to noce) experience I have to say that forks look bad to me. |
| 01:58:51 | XavierGr | noce = none |
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| 02:00:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Forks aren't exactly preventable if your code is GPL licensed though. |
| 02:00:37 | XavierGr | Sometimes I think that if someone would force me to use Linux it would be better in the end.... ;p |
| 02:01:42 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: the neo car mp3 player thing? |
| 02:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: What about the neo thing? |
| 02:03:44 | XavierGr | what's the status of this neo thingie? |
| 02:04:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's at openneo.org I think. |
| 02:04:11 | webguest11 | XavierGr: KDE is cluttered and horrible - Gnome is the one true DE. For every app you think overlap, the developers (and a lot of the users) would indeed disagree with you |
| 02:04:15 | ze | XavierGr: i've seen the argument that there's no need for opensource firmware on <insert mp3 player> |
| 02:04:25 | ze | XavierGr: some amount of competition is healthy of course |
| 02:04:41 | webguest11 | (I'm not trying to sstart a DE war - just illustrating that there isn't an obvious overlap where one could just be thrown out) |
| 02:04:46 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:05:01 | ze | XavierGr: but i agree there should probably be more cooperation in many instances of opensource apps |
| 02:05:07 | XavierGr | I don't say that forks should be banned. I just think that most of the times they lead to nowhere |
| 02:05:55 | webguest11 | Forks don't happen by accident, but because there's a need for the fork. |
| 02:06:02 | XavierGr | webguest11: I didn't like Gnome at all. No customization at all. It is like a very sleek and fast Win 3.1 enviroment |
| 02:06:14 | ze | personally i don't like gnome or kde... i think its so much bloat and dependancy nightmare without any significant gain |
| 02:06:20 | XavierGr | KDE is a little bloated but it has many features |
| 02:06:44 | XavierGr | ze: and what do you like? |
| 02:06:56 | webguest11 | XavierGr: as I said, I don't want to argue DEs, just illlustrate that there are differences and one couldn't be thrown out in favour of the other - the same goes for other examples |
| 02:07:07 | XavierGr | ofcourse |
| 02:07:09 | ze | just a simple window manager |
| 02:07:17 | ze | and various misc apps |
| 02:07:27 | XavierGr | WHile I don't like GNOME I can see the good things it has to offer. |
| 02:07:39 | ze | whatever seems best for the job, irrespective of any "team persuasion" the app might have |
| 02:07:47 | XavierGr | Alternatives allways are good if they make the user thesis better. |
| 02:08:11 | webguest11 | But you seem to miss that every fork is there for a reason, and because the people behind them want them |
| 02:08:15 | ze | i often find it unfortunate that an app that could prove to be the best happens to come with so much baggage because of its "team persuasion" |
| 02:09:06 | ze | mostly unfortunate because such are actually rare enough not to warrant so much baggage... if they were the norm, most of that baggage would be shared and it'd be fine |
| 02:09:16 | XavierGr | But thats the point in linux, customization. If you don't like it you change it. |
| 02:09:41 | XavierGr | You want something simple load Gnome. You want features load KDE |
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| 02:10:04 | XavierGr | But there are already many, many DE in Linux |
| 02:10:15 | XavierGr | and some are forks of the forks |
| 02:10:24 | webguest11 | And each serve a different purpose. I don't see any harm in that |
| 02:10:31 | XavierGr | Look at simple KDE for example. |
| 02:10:35 | webguest11 | This is much like the "omg don't spend time on Doom!" argument |
| 02:10:53 | XavierGr | It was an excellent idea to make it simple but keep the relation with it. |
| 02:11:02 | XavierGr | now the main dev said it will be a fork. |
| 02:11:13 | XavierGr | webguest11: That's different |
| 02:11:22 | webguest11 | Not by much |
| 02:11:51 | XavierGr | I didn't say that devs must be forced to do something or make a coup detat on open source. |
| 02:12:11 | XavierGr | A little more organization would be better. |
| 02:12:27 | midkay | this is rather fascinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WorldMilitarySpending.jpg |
| 02:12:32 | webguest11 | You seem to me, to be saying that work is something that can be moved around, and lumped together, and if there wasn't a fork, there'd be one project with the same amount of work done as the two combined |
| 02:13:27 | webguest11 | midkay: the one that surprises me the most is Saudi Arabia |
| 02:13:30 | XavierGr | not all the times. But certainly if the devs are behind the same motivation a lot more can be done |
| 02:14:12 | webguest11 | But they aren't.. there's no way to do maths on this |
| 02:14:32 | XavierGr | no I can't. Just speculating |
| 02:15:51 | webguest11 | It just seems pointless to say "If these two groups with wildly different goals worked together.." |
| 02:17:56 | webguest11 | This argument comes up every other time a software release is mentioned on slashdot |
| 02:18:15 | XavierGr | Well I just don't like to see many active fronts, while companies are rubbing their hands from the money that get for crappy applications. |
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| 02:20:54 | Zal91 | Hello everyone |
| 02:22:07 | * | BHSPitMonkey hypnotized by Bubbles |
| 02:22:10 | Zal91 | Can someone explain how to apply a patch? |
| 02:22:21 | XavierGr | did you read the wiki? |
| 02:22:26 | Zal91 | I have read the wiki |
| 02:22:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zal91: This specifically: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 02:22:47 | XavierGr | can you compile rockbox? |
| 02:23:00 | Zal91 | What compiler do I need |
| 02:23:45 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 02:23:55 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 02:24:05 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 02:24:11 | sharpe | heheh |
| 02:24:14 | XavierGr | unfortunately you have to do some reading |
| 02:24:22 | Zal91 | Well since I can't ,can someone apply a patch for me? |
| 02:24:29 | BHSPitMonkey | agh. my eyes! |
| 02:24:30 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 02:24:33 | sharpe | what target? |
| 02:24:39 | BHSPitMonkey | you "can't"? |
| 02:24:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can't read? |
| 02:24:53 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders how we're communicating. |
| 02:24:53 | sharpe | lol |
| 02:25:03 | * | sharpe thinks he can read... |
| 02:25:10 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 02:25:42 | XavierGr | Zal91: It would be good to at least try. Once you learn this it will make your patching life much more easy |
| 02:25:51 | Zal91 | Pleeeeeeease, LOL |
| 02:26:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zal91: The problem with someone patching for you is in about 12 hours, a new feature will be added to rockbox |
| 02:26:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then you'll be back here asking for another patched build |
| 02:26:38 | Zal91 | Im reading |
| 02:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life." |
| 02:26:51 | Zal91 | I compiled some programs before in VB 2k5 |
| 02:27:16 | sharpe | mmm... |
| 02:27:31 | XavierGr | well it has nothing to do with VB. It would be a little strange at start but when you learn it it will be quite easy |
| 02:28:36 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 02:28:43 | XavierGr | this will make your life easier |
| 02:29:42 | Zal91 | Hmm I nerver can get Cygwin to work with my box |
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| 02:30:03 | webguest11 | Wow, some blind people thought that Rockbox was purely for the visually impaired.. I never would've thought |
| 02:30:13 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform |
| 02:30:13 | webguest11 | (on the ml) |
| 02:30:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zal91: You are truly fortunate then, for we have alternates: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 02:30:19 | XavierGr | or |
| 02:30:21 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 02:30:31 | XavierGr | haha |
| 02:30:45 | webguest11 | VMware probably requires the least work |
| 02:30:52 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:31:04 | Zal91 | Can I just boot nto linux |
| 02:31:10 | Zal91 | via Dual boot |
| 02:31:27 | XavierGr | hey Zal91: I just learned the vmware ethod if that makes you feel better. |
| 02:31:54 | webguest11 | Zal91: You have linux installed already? |
| 02:32:06 | Zal91 | Yeah |
| 02:32:10 | Zal91 | Debian |
| 02:32:20 | webguest11 | Ah, well then that's the way to go, really |
| 02:32:29 | webguest11 | unless you're somehow tied into Windows |
| 02:32:59 | webguest11 | Linux is the least painful platform to develop on |
| 02:33:12 | XavierGr | see Zal91, you are much more fitted to learn compile rockbox than me. |
| 02:33:16 | webguest11 | Although the vmware way is a bit faster to get going |
| 02:33:57 | Zal91 | Im DLing the files |
| 02:34:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone here have the "What are you sinking?" link? |
| 02:34:15 | Zal91 | I just wanted to apply the new Rockboy patch |
| 02:34:27 | webguest11 | Zal91: which files, for what? |
| 02:34:49 | Zal91 | # Download and install VMware player from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ - Direct download. |
| 02:34:59 | Zal91 | # Download the Rockbox VMware image (~ 85 Mb self-extracting) from http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/vmware/rockbox-dev-2.exe |
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| 02:35:06 | webguest11 | Ah, okay |
| 02:35:59 | Zal91 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4857 <<< Thats the patch I want to apply |
| 02:36:08 | webguest11 | If you ever want to develop in Linux natively, the page to read is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler (I believe) |
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| 02:36:27 | webguest11 | All those steps are already done in the vmware image |
| 02:37:24 | Zal91 | AHH the files are taking forever to download, and I have to go soon. |
| 02:37:30 | Zal91 | Crappy DSL conection |
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| 02:39:07 | Zal91 | Can someone apply the patch, and I will PROMISE to learn to do it myself |
| 02:39:58 | webguest11 | I don't have an arm toolchain |
| 02:40:11 | midkay | Zal91, i actually don't think the patch will work. |
| 02:40:14 | webguest11 | Sounds like some bizarre piece of jewelry |
| 02:40:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | From my understanding the current patch doesn't even work well |
| 02:40:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may be best to learn to use the compiling tools while waiting for the next version, as he even said it doesn't work how he expected. |
| 02:40:39 | midkay | he says it's untested, and it looks exactly like something i tried recently.. the way keys are handled in rockboy prevents the patch from working.. iirc. |
| 02:41:06 | Zal91 | Would compiling be the same for a 5th Generation Ipod? |
| 02:41:59 | Zal91 | Quote "Ok, so I was able to get through the first level of donkey kong for the first time ever. The controls aren't working like I expected them to, but I'll be able to fix that. I won't have any time to work on it until later tonight... Until then, if you just want to see some functionality in your rockboy, apply the patch. Happy rockboxing." |
| 02:42:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Compiling's the same for any of them, it just matters which compilers you have. The iPod ones use the arm cross-compilers |
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| 02:45:14 | Zal91 | Nevermind I don't have enough time to learn now I will try again tomorrow |
| 02:45:24 | XavierGr | ok see you... |
| 02:47:34 | Zal91 | Thanx guys |
| 02:47:35 | Zal91 | Bye |
| 02:47:40 | jd|uni | any1 here feel like commiting a patch for a bug with "immeditate" priority? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4861 |
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| 02:49:08 | midkay | jd|uni, tested+working? :) |
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| 02:49:42 | jd|uni | ye |
| 02:49:56 | jd|uni | midkay: it just adds 1 more key definition |
| 02:49:59 | midkay | looks very simple.. alright. |
| 02:50:02 | jd|uni | .. for the screen |
| 02:50:17 | midkay | reminds me that i want to change a different key mapping.. |
| 02:50:54 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes people wouldn't PM me asking for me to build Rockbox custom builds for them |
| 02:51:08 | XavierGr | haha |
| 02:51:13 | XavierGr | Zal did? |
| 02:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nah |
| 02:51:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone else |
| 02:51:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | From the Doom thread I think |
| 02:51:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Padlocklipsxbang" 0 posts. |
| 02:51:47 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:51:51 | | Quit moozooh (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 02:51:51 | NSplit | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 02:51:52 | midkay | that's annoying. |
| 02:51:56 | webguest11 | A class act |
| 02:52:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've received 2 requests from different people to make custom builds, and 2 PMs from other people saying "Thanks for helping all these people." (Both of those from people I've never helped.) |
| 02:52:27 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 02:52:27 | NJoin | moozooh [0] (n=moozooh@87.240.1.66) |
| 02:52:29 | midkay | XavierGr, 1m34s for a 100% clean build. |
| 02:52:31 | midkay | (vmware). :) |
| 02:52:33 | midkay | delicious. |
| 02:52:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then various actual questions like "I've been trying to compile but keep getting X error" which are the ones I help with. |
| 02:53:20 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 02:53:20 | XavierGr | real 1m31.698s yippie! |
| 02:53:23 | XavierGr | hahaha |
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| 02:53:29 | XavierGr | 3 seconds late |
| 02:53:33 | midkay | XavierGr, ... fu!!!!!!!! :) |
| 02:53:39 | midkay | that's 100% clean? |
| 02:53:43 | XavierGr | did you had anything more on that? |
| 02:53:45 | XavierGr | yup |
| 02:53:48 | midkay | ah, well.. i'm building for iPod video.. |
| 02:53:51 | XavierGr | fresh build from cvs |
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| 02:53:55 | XavierGr | ah ues |
| 02:53:56 | midkay | maybe bigger bitmaps -> few more seconds.. |
| 02:53:57 | sharpe | i'm back! |
| 02:54:00 | XavierGr | that has a lot to do |
| 02:54:01 | midkay | and more plugins perhaps |
| 02:54:05 | XavierGr | then you are faster indeed |
| 02:54:08 | midkay | what are you building for? |
| 02:54:13 | midkay | i'd like to compare |
| 02:54:16 | webguest11 | Not to mention arm vs cf |
| 02:54:21 | XavierGr | because the compiler skipped many entries |
| 02:54:34 | webguest11 | Or rather, arm vs m68k |
| 02:54:40 | XavierGr | it would be nice to do compile for H100 just for the fun of it. |
| 02:54:47 | XavierGr | h120 |
| 02:54:48 | midkay | XavierGr, is that what you're building for? |
| 02:54:51 | midkay | alright, i'll do that. |
| 02:54:56 | XavierGr | yes target 9 |
| 02:54:59 | XavierGr | normal build |
| 02:55:24 | midkay | going |
| 02:56:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:56:02 | * | XavierGr cresses fingers again. (for a slow build so that he can nag about) :D |
| 02:56:08 | XavierGr | ^crosses |
| 02:56:11 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 02:56:12 | * | midkay sets task priority to Realtime |
| 02:56:13 | midkay | :) |
| 02:56:20 | XavierGr | you got me |
| 02:56:25 | midkay | kidding.. |
| 02:56:29 | midkay | wow.. almost done already. |
| 02:56:36 | XavierGr | no shite! |
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| 02:57:03 | midkay | 1m26.9s |
| 02:57:13 | XavierGr | quite interesting |
| 02:57:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: 1m29.8 here, with an extra two plugins. |
| 02:57:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Neither of which are Doom |
| 02:57:26 | midkay | i'd guess that there's kind of a limit on the speed.. |
| 02:57:38 | XavierGr | you got me but not much. I think that it could make it faster. |
| 02:57:57 | webguest11 | I don't think ipod or h320 is much harder to compile than h120 in any way |
| 02:58:00 | midkay | there's got to be a point where the cpu speed becomes mostly pointless and you're just waiting for the emulator to do its thing.. |
| 02:58:13 | XavierGr | maybe... |
| 02:58:28 | midkay | XavierGr, btw.. that's a new build dir, right? or make veryclean, your time? |
| 02:58:44 | XavierGr | now it's time to try with coLinux... |
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| 02:58:52 | XavierGr | new dir |
| 02:59:02 | XavierGr | I tried with make veryclean but I lost the measurement |
| 02:59:07 | XavierGr | and started with a new dir. |
| 02:59:08 | midkay | ah.. |
| 02:59:11 | midkay | alright |
| 02:59:13 | midkay | cool. |
| 02:59:14 | midkay | either way. |
| 02:59:20 | midkay | thanks for the motivation to go vmware. :) |
| 02:59:20 | XavierGr | yeah nice findings |
| 02:59:31 | midkay | *closes cygwin for good, i think* |
| 02:59:33 | XavierGr | thanks webguest11 which he guided me |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:02 | midkay | i'd like to hear about coLinux, too. |
| 03:00:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I did that yesterday. :) |
| 03:00:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, go vmware? |
| 03:00:14 | XavierGr | I will leave cygwin there for emotional reasons for some days. |
| 03:00:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 03:00:26 | midkay | yes, i think i will too.. better to have it than not i suppose.. :) |
| 03:00:30 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, cool. :) |
| 03:01:20 | webguest11 | real 1m58.380s on native Linux.. interesting.. what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 03:01:20 | | Quit herz42 ("Und wech") |
| 03:01:40 | XavierGr | intel pentium 4 at 3.0 Ghz |
| 03:01:48 | webguest11 | ah, that'd explain it |
| 03:01:54 | XavierGr | what you have? |
| 03:02:11 | midkay | JdGordon, i committed it. |
| 03:02:11 | webguest11 | XP2600 at 2ghz |
| 03:02:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest11: Laptop with an AMD Athlon64 3400+ at 2.2ghz (though several IMs came up during the build which may have affected it. =/) |
| 03:02:51 | XavierGr | maybe some day I will do it from ubuntu |
| 03:03:14 | webguest11 | Paul_The_Nerd: what was your time? |
| 03:03:18 | XavierGr | yeah? |
| 03:04:13 | webguest11 | Also, whoa.. I'd have thought an athlon64 3400 ran at more than 2.2ghz |
| 03:04:22 | midkay | webguest11, and 1m27s for me on an athlon 64 3700+ at 2.42ghz |
| 03:04:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest11: 1m29.8s for an H120 build |
| 03:04:31 | midkay | (overclocked from 2.2).. |
| 03:05:05 | XavierGr | you got me too paul |
| 03:05:27 | * | Paul_The_Nerd should try it on his desktop at some point |
| 03:05:41 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, what's your desktop? |
| 03:06:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a 3400+ as well, but a desktop chip instead of a mobile chip. I'm just curious if it'd perform differently |
| 03:06:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it has twice the ram, but since it's a VM set to 256mb, that shouldn't matter should it? |
| 03:06:47 | midkay | yeah, probably.. |
| 03:06:51 | webguest11 | Don't think so - I believe it doesn't page |
| 03:07:00 | preglow | 1 get one minute for on arm compile on an athlon 64 3400+ here |
| 03:07:04 | midkay | i wonder if VM would benefit from a larger RAM allottment.. (sp?) |
| 03:07:11 | midkay | i mean for building rockbox.. |
| 03:07:15 | XavierGr | wow preglow! |
| 03:07:22 | midkay | preglow, how the hell? :) |
| 03:07:24 | XavierGr | you have a beast@ |
| 03:07:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. I know the *biggest* performance hitter on my laptop (for general use) is this stupid 5400 RPM HD. |
| 03:07:27 | preglow | real 1m0.177s |
| 03:07:47 | webguest11 | preglow: well that's not on vmware though |
| 03:07:53 | preglow | hell no :) |
| 03:07:57 | webguest11 | (neihter was mine) |
| 03:07:58 | preglow | ubuntu 64 bit |
| 03:08:01 | XavierGr | ah that explains it |
| 03:08:03 | midkay | aha.. |
| 03:08:13 | midkay | ah, now that rockbox can be built on 64-bit systems.. |
| 03:08:15 | midkay | i'd like to try that. |
| 03:08:19 | XavierGr | preglow: Cheater! :( |
| 03:08:21 | preglow | it can, somewhat... |
| 03:08:28 | preglow | i can only build the arm compiler |
| 03:08:33 | midkay | preglow, ah.. |
| 03:08:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Was that a Nano build? |
| 03:08:44 | preglow | the m68k and sh compilers wont compile in 64 bit mode |
| 03:08:49 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yea |
| 03:09:02 | webguest11 | Another round of applause for the gcc team |
| 03:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm gonna try a clean nano build. I'm curious if Doom really adds 10 seconds |
| 03:09:17 | preglow | webguest11: plus, gcc 4.1 wont build for arm either |
| 03:09:26 | preglow | they're really doing a grand job in that area |
| 03:09:36 | webguest11 | preglow: you'd think they'd notice 64bit regressions by now |
| 03:09:42 | preglow | webguest11: apparently not |
| 03:09:52 | webguest11 | I mean, I can understand that there are bugs now, but introducing new ones is just amazing |
| 03:09:57 | webguest11 | 64bit-bugs, that is |
| 03:10:26 | webguest11 | And then, only sortof understand.. it's not like the current batch are the first 64bit chips in the history of computing |
| 03:10:53 | preglow | no, not exactly |
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| 03:10:58 | preglow | but it might of course be amd64 specific |
| 03:11:34 | preglow | think i might post a bug tomorrow |
| 03:11:35 | preglow | hmm |
| 03:11:45 | preglow | now if only i could understand this wav bug |
| 03:12:19 | webguest11 | True, it probably is amd64 specific, but still.. :-\ |
| 03:15:03 | preglow | seems a couple of bugs have already been posted |
| 03:15:07 | preglow | nothing happens, as usual |
| 03:15:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, an unpatched iPod Nano build for me is 1m22.0s |
| 03:15:49 | | Quit DrumRBoy320 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:16:00 | preglow | seems it's a general 64 bit problem... |
| 03:16:14 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: specs? |
| 03:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Still on my laptop |
| 03:16:42 | preglow | not bad for a laptop |
| 03:16:49 | webguest11 | In vmware... |
| 03:17:43 | webguest11 | I think vmware is getting quite close to 100% processor performance in these cases (little IO, lots of computing) |
| 03:18:18 | preglow | yeah, the gcc people have known of the bug for half a year now |
| 03:18:42 | webguest11 | Brilliant |
| 03:19:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, iPod Nano is 8 seconds faster than H120. :( |
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| 03:26:58 | XavierGr | night every body! |
| 03:27:21 | | Quit XavierGr () |
| 03:33:49 | BHSPitLappy | solid state flash ftw |
| 03:34:45 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, what? |
| 03:35:41 | | Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:36:06 | webguest11 | Anyone here involved with the vkeyboardproposal wikipage? |
| 03:36:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is kinda a fan of the old vkeyboard, for his uses. |
| 03:37:02 | webguest11 | Likewise.. I imagine a lot of switching screens |
| 03:37:11 | webguest11 | But I see the appeal |
| 03:38:29 | webguest11 | Of a) having a unified keyboard that looks and works the same on all bitmap screens b) having a coordinated way of inputting multiple different charsets |
| 03:39:00 | webguest11 | The latter being most important |
| 03:39:09 | webguest11 | To the user, that is |
| 03:39:28 | webguest11 | I fear codesize issues on archos though |
| 03:40:11 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, have you figured out accessing rockbox source when using vmware? |
| 03:40:28 | webguest11 | Accessing it how? |
| 03:40:41 | midkay | from windows, e.g. notepad. |
| 03:40:50 | midkay | does samba need to be started or something? |
| 03:40:54 | webguest11 | Start > run > \\debian |
| 03:40:55 | midkay | i'm rather unfamiliar with it |
| 03:41:02 | webguest11 | Nope, it should Just Work |
| 03:41:10 | midkay | oh. \\debian did it. thanks. |
| 03:41:21 | midkay | i was looking at "\\ip\user".. |
| 03:41:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:41:32 | webguest11 | That should work as well |
| 03:41:45 | midkay | it's not for me.. |
| 03:41:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, the ip thing didn't work for me, because it just accessed my normal shares |
| 03:42:06 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right, that's what i'm getting. |
| 03:42:11 | webguest11 | You need to use the ip of the guest OS |
| 03:42:21 | webguest11 | run /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:42:43 | midkay | ah,, |
| 03:42:50 | midkay | well. \\debian is _much_ quicker anyways. |
| 03:42:51 | midkay | :) |
| 03:42:56 | webguest11 | True that |
| 03:43:47 | webguest11 | Should be mentioned on the wiki page I uess |
| 03:44:05 | midkay | definitely. |
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| 03:48:18 | Kyomi | Woah... theres alot of people here ^^; |
| 03:48:33 | sharpe | wheee |
| 03:50:10 | sharpe | heheh, that was great timing... |
| 03:50:22 | Kyomi | Anyone have a link to where all the games are on the rockbox site? I can't seem to find it :( |
| 03:51:07 | Kyomi | Ew... |
| 03:51:10 | Kyomi | What happend? |
| 03:51:17 | sharpe | ? |
| 03:51:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: The games are included with rockbox. |
| 03:51:38 | | Quit JoeBorn ("open.neurostechnology.com") |
| 03:51:42 | Kyomi | The rockbox thing is running.. but its... like only a lt blue background and very small text |
| 03:51:53 | webguest11 | That's Rockbox... |
| 03:52:11 | sharpe | is it the first time? |
| 03:52:14 | Kyomi | Yes |
| 03:52:23 | sharpe | yeah, that's the default theme |
| 03:52:46 | Kyomi | Its... ew |
| 03:52:55 | Kyomi | Does the H3Mod stuff work with it? |
| 03:53:05 | Kyomi | And how do I get to the menu of it? |
| 03:53:15 | webguest11 | Press a-b |
| 03:53:18 | sharpe | what player do you have? |
| 03:53:27 | webguest11 | And no, you can't h3mod it, since it's not the iriver firmware... |
| 03:53:39 | webguest11 | h3x0, I'm guessing, by the combination of h3mod and colour |
| 03:53:57 | sharpe | seems likely to me |
| 03:54:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: From the menu you can change fonts. With a combination of font and custom background it can look much better |
| 03:54:17 | Kyomi | h320 |
| 03:54:28 | Kyomi | umm |
| 03:54:47 | Kyomi | All the menu says is repeat options and displaying what type of files |
| 03:54:58 | webguest11 | Don't hold a-b |
| 03:54:59 | webguest11 | just press it, shortly |
| 03:54:59 | midkay | press a-b, not hold. |
| 03:55:05 | sharpe | like, a tap |
| 03:55:11 | midkay | like. press and release. |
| 03:55:19 | sharpe | like, same definition |
| 03:55:21 | midkay | you put your finger on it. and depress. and quickly release the pressure. |
| 03:55:24 | webguest11 | Like a.... press |
| 03:55:34 | sharpe | like, a quick press |
| 03:55:38 | midkay | like, you only need to depress it for an instant. |
| 03:55:41 | sharpe | like, when you type, that kind of press |
| 03:55:47 | webguest11 | I think we've defined press, now. |
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| 03:55:48 | midkay | like, half a second. or as quick as possible. |
| 03:55:56 | | Quit BHSPitLappy (Nick collision from services.) |
| 03:55:59 | midkay | like, alright. :( |
| 03:55:59 | sharpe | unless, your type rate is like, in seconds |
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| 03:56:07 | sharpe | like, okay. |
| 03:56:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depress the a-b button for a period of no less than 1ms and no more than 999. |
| 03:56:13 | Kyomi | lol |
| 03:56:14 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:56:17 | Kyomi | I got it now |
| 03:56:17 | sharpe | that sounds logical |
| 03:56:25 | Kyomi | But it still looks like ass :( |
| 03:56:35 | sharpe | well, it's not our problem, is it? :) |
| 03:56:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Rockbox is designed to be functional, not pretty. |
| 03:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: But really, it can be a lot prettier than it could 6 months ago, and it'll get even better as new features are added |
| 03:57:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should try some of the themes that are available for download |
| 03:57:20 | sharpe | damn you paul, i was going to say the theme thing. |
| 03:57:20 | Kyomi | Download section? |
| 03:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: They're mostly in the WpsGallery |
| 03:57:53 | golf7 | kyomi, would you rather look like shit and function good |
| 03:57:58 | golf7 | or look good and function like shit |
| 03:58:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 03:58:07 | golf7 | like a beemer with a pinto engine |
| 03:58:11 | sharpe | oh the love. |
| 03:58:15 | golf7 | or a pinto with a beemer engine =P |
| 03:58:37 | sharpe | yay analogies. |
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| 03:59:15 | midkay | haaaaha. you said "anal". haahahahaaaa. |
| 03:59:24 | midkay | anal-ogies. haahaha.. |
| 03:59:26 | sharpe | hahahahahhhhhhh... |
| 03:59:30 | midkay | and the ogies looks like orgies. |
| 03:59:37 | sharpe | hurrr |
| 03:59:39 | midkay | hahahahahaaaaa... i kill myself. |
| 03:59:57 | Kyomi | Im guessing it can't look as pretty as my main firmware did? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:03 | sharpe | sure it can |
| 04:00:33 | sharpe | you just have to find or make a theme, that looks exactly like it. |
| 04:00:41 | sharpe | or, use another pretty one... |
| 04:00:45 | midkay | sharpe, not without a lot of coding, no.. |
| 04:00:55 | sharpe | i like the theme i made... |
| 04:01:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Being open source, technically it can look however you want it. |
| 04:01:09 | sharpe | although, most people don't like the background... |
| 04:01:13 | sharpe | because... |
| 04:01:15 | sharpe | it's... |
| 04:01:17 | midkay | Kyomi, if looking like the stock firmware is what you want, why are you using rockbox? :) |
| 04:01:17 | sharpe | a heart. |
| 04:01:30 | BHSPitLappy | where's rockbox going as far as fonts are concerned? |
| 04:01:36 | sharpe | hmm |
| 04:01:42 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 04:01:48 | sharpe | it's going like there is a tomorrow. |
| 04:01:51 | sharpe | taking it's time. |
| 04:01:53 | Kyomi | This still works with fm transmitter and all right? |
| 04:01:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: What exactly are you asking? |
| 04:02:37 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: last I heard (long ago) people wanted to move to an improved rb13 format or something |
| 04:02:51 | Kyomi | It's SOOO much eaiser to just like... slap some themes on there then be able to browse them |
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| 04:03:00 | sharpe | there are some default ones... |
| 04:03:08 | BHSPitLappy | AA would be nice as far as fonts are concerned |
| 04:03:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: rb13? Huh? |
| 04:03:19 | BHSPitLappy | the current standard's rb12 |
| 04:03:20 | sharpe | ah! antialiasing! |
| 04:03:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: AA is pretty damn unlikely with the current bitmapped fonts |
| 04:03:42 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, AA isn't really possible unless it's "faked", and that wouldn't work with backdrops.. |
| 04:03:54 | * | BHSPitLappy a little confused |
| 04:03:55 | midkay | you'd need true transparency = slooowww... |
| 04:04:42 | Kyomi | Haha |
| 04:04:55 | Kyomi | Rockbox Info shows you about how much time is left in the battery? |
| 04:05:01 | Kyomi | That is just plain awesome |
| 04:05:03 | midkay | Kyomi, yes, that's hilarious.. |
| 04:05:13 | Kyomi | What the heck..... |
| 04:05:14 | sharpe | yes, it's a real 'knee-slapper' |
| 04:05:14 | BHSPitLappy | s/That/Rockbox/ |
| 04:05:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be more awesome if you could trust it. ;-) |
| 04:05:20 | midkay | sharpe, haha. |
| 04:05:21 | Kyomi | Im confused |
| 04:05:31 | Kyomi | When I had original firmware on |
| 04:05:46 | Kyomi | It said I had 52MB free space... now it says 1.10GB |
| 04:05:52 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 04:05:56 | * | Kyomi confused |
| 04:05:57 | BHSPitLappy | wait until you've got the whole sentence typed before hitting ENTER ;) |
| 04:06:05 | sharpe | i don't do that sometimes |
| 04:06:16 | BHSPitLappy | so |
| 04:06:17 | BHSPitLappy | one time |
| 04:06:19 | BHSPitLappy | I was on a boat |
| 04:06:23 | sharpe | and? |
| 04:06:24 | BHSPitLappy | and there was this guy in the back of the boat |
| 04:06:28 | sharpe | and?! |
| 04:06:29 | Kyomi | <3 playlist creation |
| 04:06:31 | BHSPitLappy | and he was like "come to the back of the boat!" |
| 04:06:36 | sharpe | and mother fucker?!!? |
| 04:06:41 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 04:06:50 | sharpe | profanity always makes everything funny. |
| 04:06:55 | sharpe | especially 'bitch' |
| 04:07:02 | midkay | haaahahahahahaha. |
| 04:07:03 | BHSPitLappy | that's just plain not fucking true. |
| 04:07:07 | BHSPitLappy | ...bitch. |
| 04:07:11 | midkay | hohohoho. |
| 04:07:20 | Kyomi | Im still confused about the space issue |
| 04:07:22 | sharpe | yeah, but it fits when talking to people, you can always call them 'bitch' |
| 04:07:34 | BHSPitLappy | Kyomi: why don't you hook up to your computer and see for yourself |
| 04:07:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, see how much space windows says is free on it. |
| 04:07:56 | sharpe | it's funny, everyone thinks exactly the same... |
| 04:08:08 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: if Windows told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? |
| 04:08:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I'd have to check the license agreement. |
| 04:08:39 | sharpe | oooo... |
| 04:08:40 | BHSPitLappy | :) |
| 04:08:45 | sharpe | and the EULA |
| 04:08:45 | | Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 04:08:55 | midkay | EULA == end user license agreement.. |
| 04:08:56 | midkay | :) |
| 04:08:57 | sharpe | i know, same thing. |
| 04:09:00 | midkay | fu luser. |
| 04:09:01 | BHSPitLappy | EULicenceAgreement |
| 04:09:02 | midkay | FU. |
| 04:09:06 | sharpe | bitch. |
| 04:09:07 | Kyomi | Found an error :( |
| 04:09:08 | BHSPitLappy | err |
| 04:09:11 | webguest11 | Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate motherfucke |
| 04:09:12 | midkay | *censored* |
| 04:09:13 | sharpe | what be that? |
| 04:09:13 | BHSPitLappy | s/icence/icense/ |
| 04:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Error? |
| 04:09:22 | Kyomi | The JoltSteel skin is a broken link :( |
| 04:09:27 | sharpe | ho dog! |
| 04:09:28 | sharpe | ag |
| 04:09:29 | sharpe | ah |
| 04:09:32 | sharpe | dyslexia! |
| 04:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh man, did he link externally rather than just upload to the wiki? |
| 04:09:50 | BHSPitLappy | yes. yes he did. |
| 04:09:56 | sharpe | oh. that bitch. |
| 04:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Just put a note next to it then. Or remove the link for now. |
| 04:09:59 | BHSPitLappy | Kyomi: don't worry, it probably just sucks. |
| 04:10:04 | Kyomi | But its awesome |
| 04:10:13 | Kyomi | It shows the next song and everything |
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| 04:10:22 | midkay | Kyomi, haha. as if that isn't standard.. |
| 04:10:27 | midkay | or very hard to do.. |
| 04:10:28 | midkay | :) |
| 04:10:28 | sharpe | heheh, who wants to see my bland theme i made.. month or so ago... |
| 04:10:36 | midkay | sharpe, wikify it! |
| 04:10:43 | sharpe | hold on... |
| 04:11:04 | BHSPitLappy | what's with people wanting their player to look like vista |
| 04:11:05 | BHSPitLappy | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=4 |
| 04:11:18 | sharpe | http://www.mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockheart.png :) |
| 04:11:20 | midkay | wow, quite nice.. |
| 04:11:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: What's with people wanting their player to look like Winamp? |
| 04:11:36 | midkay | sharpe, it's not up!! |
| 04:11:38 | sharpe | the more curves, the more requested. |
| 04:11:44 | * | BHSPitLappy 's player looks like an rockbox. |
| 04:11:46 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:11:50 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 04:11:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Drop the www. |
| 04:12:09 | midkay | aha. that loser, sharpe.. |
| 04:12:13 | Kyomi | booooo |
| 04:12:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I took the rockbox_default theme, stripped the peakmeter, and added a filler image for the bottom half of the screen, and that's that |
| 04:12:23 | midkay | sharpe, that's so fugly. |
| 04:12:25 | Kyomi | I dun wanna use my real name.. thats just...creepy ^^; |
| 04:12:34 | BHSPitLappy | Kyomi: honest, you mean? |
| 04:12:39 | BHSPitLappy | creeps are secretive. |
| 04:12:54 | BHSPitLappy | now tell me where you live, boy |
| 04:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 04:13:19 | Kyomi | Nah.. I just never give out my name online.. |
| 04:13:26 | BHSPitLappy | how old is you? |
| 04:13:29 | sharpe | yeh, sorry about that. |
| 04:13:30 | Kyomi | And especially things like that |
| 04:13:36 | sharpe | ew ew ew ew! |
| 04:13:38 | Kyomi | 21 :( |
| 04:13:42 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: you and your queer hearts |
| 04:13:43 | Kyomi | Im too old T.T |
| 04:13:47 | BHSPitLappy | Kyomi: haha are you serious |
| 04:13:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 04:13:55 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 04:13:57 | sharpe | god damn. that's what everyone else says, damnit. |
| 04:13:59 | Kyomi | I am now confused |
| 04:14:07 | BHSPitLappy | boo hoo, I can legally drink, but I'm afraid of internet predators |
| 04:14:18 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:14:19 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, people who are 21 saying they're too old make me feel even MORE ancient |
| 04:14:22 | Kyomi | Rockbox: 1.10GB free || iRiver firmware: 32MB free |
| 04:14:39 | midkay | || windows: ????????!?!?!?!!??!!?!!! |
| 04:14:41 | sharpe | maybe your iriver thinks you don't need the extra space? |
| 04:14:50 | Kyomi | checking windows |
| 04:14:59 | midkay | Kyomi, you told us about that "error" like 10 minutes ago.. why are you just now "confused"? :) |
| 04:15:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, in a vaguely related note, I got carded at Walmart when attempting to purchase a computer game |
| 04:15:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, hahaha. |
| 04:15:09 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: ... who let you out of your bed? |
| 04:15:18 | BHSPitLappy | you know you're not supposed to be out without taking your pills. |
| 04:15:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I realized that my 3.5" floppy version of Doom was unusable on my laptop (since it lacks a floppy drive) |
| 04:15:21 | sharpe | what was the rating? :) |
| 04:15:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I bought Doom 1. A 13 year old game |
| 04:15:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rated M |
| 04:15:32 | Kyomi | Windows says 29.7MB now >_< |
| 04:15:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | And they carded me |
| 04:15:36 | sharpe | it's rated m? |
| 04:15:39 | sharpe | ... :( |
| 04:15:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:15:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 04:15:51 | BHSPitLappy | like gone with the wind is rated R :P |
| 04:15:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | In 4 years the game will be old enough to buy itself |
| 04:15:54 | sharpe | wow... |
| 04:15:58 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 04:15:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, was it an old bag? carding isn't unexpected from them.. |
| 04:16:00 | Kyomi | Alright |
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| 04:16:07 | sharpe | in four years, it will be just... a give away... |
| 04:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The girl was younger than me. |
| 04:16:16 | Kyomi | Apparently my H320 can't decide how much free space it has.... |
| 04:16:25 | sharpe | are you visibly older paul? :P |
| 04:16:26 | midkay | you should have just said "card yourself, witch" and walked out.. stand up for your rights or whatever. |
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| 04:16:32 | Kyomi | Rockbox: 1.10GB free || iRiver firmware: 32MB free || Windows: 29.7MB |
| 04:16:35 | midkay | Kyomi, i'd guess windows is about right. |
| 04:16:46 | midkay | because it CORRESPONDS with the iriver value! |
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| 04:16:50 | Kyomi | Why does RB say I have 1.10GB then? o.O |
| 04:16:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well you probably have 32mb of free space in reality, because there's a recycle bin of .9gb or so |
| 04:17:10 | webguest11 | Kyomi: Try recalculating.. Boot Rockbox, menu > info > Debug (keep out!) > Disk info |
| 04:17:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I'm usually told I look like I'm in my high 20s or low 30s. When I was too young to drink, people were always astonished when I told them, and I haven't been carded for an R movie since I was 15 |
| 04:17:44 | webguest11 | Kyomi: Now press up until you see "Disk info: Free xxxx MB" and press navi |
| 04:18:15 | webguest11 | After that, the amount of free space should be correct in Rockbox |
| 04:18:51 | Kyomi | Hold up |
| 04:18:55 | Kyomi | Gotta get RB back |
| 04:18:56 | sharpe | i have 16444mb free... |
| 04:19:00 | sharpe | yay me |
| 04:19:02 | sharpe | wait |
| 04:19:03 | sharpe | no |
| 04:19:04 | sharpe | no yay |
| 04:19:08 | Kyomi | Booted iR for usn connection |
| 04:19:18 | sharpe | where the hell did the other 10000 go!? |
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| 04:20:21 | sharpe | :( |
| 04:20:55 | Kyomi | How can I get rid of that .9 recycle bin? |
| 04:21:05 | Kyomi | And how long does this take |
| 04:21:08 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 04:21:10 | Kyomi | 29mb :( |
| 04:21:17 | Kyomi | GAHHHH |
| 04:21:21 | Kyomi | This is so annoying |
| 04:21:32 | webguest11 | empty it? |
| 04:21:37 | Kyomi | Please tell me theres a way to turn the backlight back on WITHOUT it doing any commands |
| 04:21:44 | Kyomi | I can't see it in windows |
| 04:21:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, that's so weird that people want to have it ignore button presses |
| 04:22:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, I think record doesn't do anything in most screens |
| 04:22:06 | webguest11 | It'll be blended into your regular Recycle Bin |
| 04:22:09 | Kyomi | I'm used to hitting a button to turn it on, then another one to do something |
| 04:22:20 | Kyomi | Not the same thing |
| 04:22:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems like a bloody waste of time to me, having to hit a button twice just to do one thing. |
| 04:22:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, if you reach in your pocket to pause, do you have to hit pause twice? |
| 04:23:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or is it only *some* buttons that require a second press? |
| 04:23:08 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 04:23:17 | Kyomi | You have it hit a button to turn the light on |
| 04:23:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is perhaps one of the most counterintuitive things ever. |
| 04:23:21 | Kyomi | Then hit it again to do it |
| 04:23:41 | Kyomi | Yeah.. maybe.. but it's EXTREMELY annoying in while your in a menu |
| 04:24:00 | midkay | why not just adjust vol up or down one? |
| 04:24:11 | midkay | .. doesn't really make a difference, and it turns the light on. |
| 04:24:22 | webguest11 | or go up or down a bit in the menu you're in... |
| 04:24:25 | webguest11 | o_O |
| 04:24:30 | midkay | yes, that.. |
| 04:24:33 | webguest11 | Can't hurt, can it? |
| 04:24:35 | Kyomi | Woah... cool |
| 04:24:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, you can also delete the recycle bin by telling rockbox to show all files, then just deleting it from there |
| 04:24:38 | Kyomi | picture zoom :) |
| 04:24:56 | Kyomi | How do you get to like a.. a secondary menu |
| 04:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | A secondary menu? |
| 04:25:22 | Kyomi | Yeha |
| 04:25:28 | Kyomi | Like if you wanna do something with the picture |
| 04:25:36 | Kyomi | or how you get to the menu to delete stuff |
| 04:25:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a picture viewer... |
| 04:25:45 | midkay | not a picture editor. |
| 04:25:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Click and hold navi on a file to get other options of things to do with it |
| 04:26:08 | Kyomi | k ty |
| 04:26:11 | Kyomi | bbl :D |
| 04:26:16 | Kyomi | awesome help ^^ |
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| 04:27:22 | sharpe | it never fails... |
| 04:27:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | "It doesn't look pretty" |
| 04:27:34 | BHSPitLappy | of course it does |
| 04:27:47 | webguest11 | "Rockbox sucks!" [10 minutes passes] "Cool!" |
| 04:27:50 | sharpe | while making a playlist on rockbox, i always accidentally forget to touch the wheel before releasing the select button. |
| 04:28:22 | midkay | sharpe, what? |
| 04:28:40 | sharpe | heh, i never succeed in making a playlist in rockbox :) |
| 04:28:56 | midkay | .. :) |
| 04:30:26 | BHSPitLappy | has the status of id3 brower/indexing changed? |
| 04:30:34 | BHSPitLappy | browser, even |
| 04:32:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really |
| 04:32:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you seen mention of it changing in the changelog? |
| 04:35:09 | BHSPitLappy | I s'pose not |
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| 04:38:00 | sharpe | gah! |
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| 04:40:06 | sharpe | oh well, g'night everyone. |
| 04:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'night |
| 04:41:02 | midkay | night sharpe |
| 04:41:43 | midkay | wow. archos recorder build went quick! |
| 04:42:01 | midkay | can't say the exact time.. but <1m almost for sure.. |
| 04:42:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 04:47:58 | omp | has anyone ever had the rockbox interface freeze? (ipod nano) |
| 04:48:03 | BHSPitLappy | nope |
| 04:48:22 | omp | 'cause it happened to me twice :o |
| 04:48:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doing what? |
| 04:48:37 | BHSPitLappy | that hold switch can be fickle |
| 04:49:17 | omp | dunno it just froze while i used it, but restarting it fixed it |
| 04:49:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | omp: Well, it's hard to figure out what's wrong without you at least knowing what you did right before it froze |
| 04:50:34 | omp | i was just listening to music and browsing through songs :p |
| 04:50:46 | omp | oh well |
| 04:52:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, could you try to cause it to happen again, and pay attention to what happens to cause it? |
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| 04:59:57 | midkay | how do i set the time/date on vmware? Paul_The_Nerd? |
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| 05:01:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: There's a few ways |
| 05:02:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: but really, su, then use hwclock |
| 05:02:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: You're probably going to have to correct it every time you boot the VM anyway, I think. I haven't figure out a good method yet |
| 05:03:09 | midkay | ah. |
| 05:03:12 | midkay | never mind then. |
| 05:03:17 | midkay | thanks though. |
| 05:04:33 | midkay | what the hell is going on.. |
| 05:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's it doing? |
| 05:05:11 | midkay | now, it's arm-elf-gcc: command not found.. worked earlier. |
| 05:05:28 | midkay | and, sh-elf-gcc is messed up.. it's not in the path by default, and when added, it.. compiles, but doesn |
| 05:05:37 | midkay | doesn't generate a working image, or something.. |
| 05:05:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weeeeird |
| 05:05:51 | midkay | i did do a "Reset" - bad? |
| 05:06:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've done a reset without problems. |
| 05:06:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I haven't tried sh-elf-gcc at all |
| 05:06:20 | midkay | i also edited the .bashrc to add a few aliases and to add sh-elf-gcc to the path by default.. |
| 05:06:28 | midkay | didn't change anything else, though. |
| 05:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 05:08:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | sh-elf-gcc is in my default path |
| 05:08:24 | midkay | hmmmmm. |
| 05:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I have the original VMWare image, not the new one. Maybe that one had it messed up? |
| 05:09:06 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, where does it point to? |
| 05:09:16 | midkay | /home/user/sh/bin? |
| 05:10:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do I check? |
| 05:11:09 | midkay | echo $PATH |
| 05:11:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 05:11:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | didn't type it all caps |
| 05:11:30 | midkay | ah. :) |
| 05:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed /home/user/sh/bin |
| 05:11:33 | midkay | hmm. |
| 05:11:45 | midkay | i want to throw my PC out the window right now.. |
| 05:11:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 05:12:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's probably just something not done right with the newer version of the vmware image |
| 05:12:37 | midkay | i'm just so goddamn tired and don't want to deal with this right now.. sigh.. |
| 05:12:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 05:12:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm about to take the path of sleeeeeeep |
| 05:13:02 | midkay | 8pm and i could crash within a minute.. |
| 05:13:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'm heading out. |
| 05:13:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | G'night folks |
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| 05:23:39 | midkay | hm. i think we have a major problem.. |
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| 05:25:21 | midkay | yes. we do. |
| 05:26:14 | midkay | archos recorder builds (maybe more) as of now, when started, show a completely black LCD.. |
| 05:26:24 | midkay | not sure when this started, but within a couple days.. |
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| 07:18:39 | amiconn | morning |
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| 07:19:25 | BHSPitLappy | evening |
| 07:21:12 | amiconn | hehe |
| 07:21:27 | amiconn | 7:20 am here |
| 07:25:35 | BHSPitLappy | 12:25am |
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| 07:26:59 | midkay | amiconn, did you read what i wrote, btw?.. latest recorder builds == filled black screen and no button input, or so.. |
| 07:27:05 | midkay | can you confirm? |
| 07:28:16 | Mikachu | the manual frontpage says |
| 07:28:17 | amiconn | I didn't update my recorder since a week. Will check |
| 07:28:19 | Mikachu | Rockbox - users manual |
| 07:28:21 | Mikachu | for |
| 07:28:24 | Mikachu | AppleiPod Nano |
| 07:28:36 | Mikachu | ie, no space |
| 07:28:53 | midkay | amiconn, thanks - it was working fine for me with a build from a few days ago, all of a sudden anything i compile today or download from the site (cvs build).. = black screen. |
| 07:29:36 | amiconn | Perhaps ypur contrast setting is way off |
| 07:29:41 | amiconn | *your |
| 07:29:53 | midkay | amiconn, i don't really.. see how it could be... it's possible though.. |
| 07:30:08 | midkay | do you know the combo by any chance? |
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| 07:31:21 | amiconn | F1 down down right down down right down down right down down down right |
| 07:31:28 | amiconn | Then reduce contrast with down |
| 07:31:44 | Mikachu | then you get infinite lives |
| 07:32:16 | midkay | haha. that did it - insane.. everything was/is messed up.. how the hell.. |
| 07:32:41 | midkay | thanks, amiconn |
| 07:33:29 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:34:37 | Bg3r | amiconn perhaps we should add a "reset settings" button ... |
| 07:34:42 | Bg3r | for archos tooo |
| 07:34:44 | Bg3r | -o |
| 07:35:10 | amiconn | I rather think we should make the config transition better sooner than later |
| 07:35:20 | midkay | config transition? |
| 07:35:24 | Bg3r | yeah, that's the other option |
| 07:35:25 | amiconn | (although probably post-3.0) |
| 07:35:31 | Bg3r | midkay config file |
| 07:35:47 | Bg3r | *only* config file, without config sector |
| 07:35:56 | midkay | ah.. |
| 07:35:59 | Bg3r | amiconn did you try my button.h cleaning btw ? |
| 07:36:08 | amiconn | Yes, and only storing a small part of config data binary |
| 07:36:16 | amiconn | no |
| 07:36:31 | * | amiconn was too tired |
| 07:36:36 | Bg3r | ah :( okay |
| 07:36:54 | Bg3r | btw, maybe i should sort plugin.h and bump the min plugin ver too ... |
| 07:37:25 | amiconn | why? |
| 07:37:38 | amiconn | Did you do sth incompatible? |
| 07:37:54 | Bg3r | any binary plugins won't work correctly using the old button defines ... |
| 07:38:01 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 07:38:42 | amiconn | Well, just 2 functions to sort |
| 07:38:48 | amiconn | in |
| 07:39:01 | Bg3r | which ones ? |
| 07:39:20 | amiconn | Everything that's below /* new stuf at the end .... */ |
| 07:39:47 | amiconn | button_hold() already has its proper place, so just some ifdef shuffling |
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| 07:40:05 | Bg3r | yep |
| 07:40:11 | Bg3r | i'll look into this |
| 07:40:34 | Chile` | how's ogg sound quality on the ipod through rockbox? |
| 07:40:45 | amiconn | set_option belongs to the */menu */ section I'd say |
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| 07:47:43 | Bg3r | linuxstb ? |
| 07:48:24 | Bg3r | does anyone here know whether ipod 3g has hold button ? |
| 07:48:35 | midkay | it does. |
| 07:48:45 | Bg3r | k |
| 07:48:45 | midkay | not a button, a switch, to be precise.. |
| 07:48:50 | midkay | :) |
| 07:48:56 | Bg3r | okay, it's a key :) |
| 07:51:05 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 07:51:10 | JdGordon | damn i hate uni :'( |
| 07:52:21 | midkay | yo JdGordon |
| 07:52:21 | midkay | hm, for the pitch screen located in screens.c - where should key definitions for it go? |
| 07:52:21 | midkay | screens.h? |
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| 07:52:55 | Bg3r | oh, more button loops ... :) |
| 07:53:14 | Bg3r | midkay if there are already keydefines there, then that's the place |
| 07:53:23 | midkay | Bg3r, there aren't.. |
| 07:53:27 | amiconn | Bg3r: ? |
| 07:53:34 | midkay | seems to be normal to put them in the corresponding .h file though.. |
| 07:53:39 | midkay | i'd just like to confirm :) |
| 07:54:43 | amiconn | midkay: I think you can use screens.h for now. |
| 07:54:57 | midkay | amiconn, alright. ty. |
| 07:55:18 | amiconn | However, see the devcon notes on what is planned to do about core button actions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevconNotes |
| 07:56:07 | midkay | amiconn, i read those but i didn't see anything very specific about buttons. i did read that unification/global button mappings is planned, but not where/how.. so i guess until then we stick with ifdefs.. :) |
| 07:57:07 | JdGordon | re: radio/recorder wps.. is it wanted for 3.0? |
| 07:58:33 | amiconn | 3.1, as it requires quite some work to make the wps code more generic |
| 07:58:54 | Bg3r | amiconn it seems that show_logo and tree_get_context aren't in the right place too ... (blame me for the last) |
| 07:59:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: wel.. iv got a patch to add radio wps, it works fine.. if its wanted for 3... |
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| 08:11:00 | amiconn | Party mode increased code size quite a bit :( |
| 08:12:38 | Bg3r | amiconn where should these func go ? |
| 08:13:58 | amiconn | They already are placed under /* misc */ |
| 08:14:17 | amiconn | Imho that's the right place as long as there is only one of their kind |
| 08:15:00 | Bg3r | ah, okay :) |
| 08:17:37 | Bg3r | amiconn i moved the BUTTON_REPEAT to bit 26 (BUTTON_REL is bit 25), so now the free bits are 21-24 (i could free bit 20 too, but i left one bit free between the remote and main buttons on Hxx0 |
| 08:17:38 | Bg3r | ) |
| 08:20:29 | midkay | why are there seperate H120/140 and iHP-110/115/120 builds? different hardware? |
| 08:20:44 | Bg3r | midkay yes |
| 08:20:49 | midkay | how different? |
| 08:20:57 | Bg3r | H1x5 is with 16MB ram instead of 32 |
| 08:21:07 | midkay | aha. |
| 08:21:08 | midkay | thanks. |
| 08:21:36 | Bg3r | and iirc the s/pdif is commanded in a reverse way |
| 08:21:50 | midkay | no biggie - just wanted to know of anything major :) |
| 08:23:31 | Bg3r | amiconn in fact how do u see this action stuff ? |
| 08:23:43 | midkay | does ondio have pitch adjustment capability? same MAS as recorders, right? |
| 08:24:03 | Bg3r | one button has one func in the wps, other in the navigation (menu/tree) ... |
| 08:24:17 | midkay | Bg3r, i mean capability, not access to the screen. |
| 08:24:26 | midkay | it can if the screen were available? |
| 08:24:56 | Bg3r | midkay that was for amiconn ... i don't know anything about ondio :) |
| 08:25:03 | midkay | oh, my bad. :) |
| 08:25:12 | midkay | amiconn has one and knows about them i think.. |
| 08:25:28 | Bg3r | midkay in fact he has ported rb to ondios .. |
| 08:25:36 | Bg3r | he and [IDC]Dragon iirc |
| 08:25:41 | midkay | yeah.. |
| 08:26:03 | JdGordon | does any1 know how to get vnc to show my desktop instead of just a grey screen when i connbect? |
| 08:30:47 | LinusN | you don't like grey? :-) |
| 08:31:01 | JdGordon | well... i prefer seeing fluxbox... |
| 08:31:10 | Bg3r | LinusN any comments on my button.h changes ? |
| 08:31:29 | Bg3r | morning btw:) |
| 08:31:40 | LinusN | i haven't checked the actual patch, but i think it looks ok |
| 08:31:44 | midkay | aargh.. |
| 08:31:54 | LinusN | i just wondered...why? |
| 08:32:05 | Bg3r | was that for me ? |
| 08:32:17 | Bg3r | the question :) |
| 08:32:18 | LinusN | is there an actual problem with the buttons, or is it just a general cleanup? |
| 08:32:28 | Bg3r | just a cleanup |
| 08:32:31 | LinusN | ok |
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| 08:32:48 | LinusN | i like the BUTTON_REMOTE mask |
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| 08:32:55 | Bg3r | and maybe a prepare for the action stuff ... |
| 08:33:09 | Bg3r | in fact this was amiconn's idea |
| 08:34:35 | nudel | I don't get why people want .cue file support. It adds a lot of complication to the code for *zero* benefit. |
| 08:34:46 | amiconn | midkay: The Ondio has pitch adjust capability. The Ondio FM has the same MAS as the recorders, and the Ondio SP has a similar MAS which lacks mp3 encoding and has different config memory addresses, but is otherwise identical |
| 08:34:57 | amiconn | The problem is the number of buttons... |
| 08:35:20 | midkay | amiconn, i'm putting pitch screen in the menu for all targets, so buttons aren't a problem. |
| 08:35:45 | midkay | well, right now i'm about to commit my update to the screen and the addition of button definitions - tomorrow, probably, i'll have it in the menus.. |
| 08:35:53 | amiconn | Yay, that was something I was planning to do... one day... |
| 08:36:32 | midkay | blast, can you seriously not commit anything from a dir checked out by anonymous? |
| 08:36:36 | midkay | no commands i can run? tried update.. |
| 08:36:44 | midkay | i don't wanna have to recheck out. :( |
| 08:37:18 | amiconn | Make a cvs diff, check out a fresh directory non-anonymous, and apply your diff |
| 08:37:36 | midkay | is that all? |
| 08:37:44 | midkay | (i mean as far as ways to get around it) |
| 08:37:58 | amiconn | You can't commit from an anonymous checkout |
| 08:38:12 | midkay | alright. *sighs* :) |
| 08:38:41 | midkay | amiconn, how does cvs diff work? |
| 08:38:48 | Bg3r | Bagder any decisions about git/svn ? |
| 08:39:02 | Slasheri | midkay: cvs diff >your.patch |
| 08:39:10 | Bg3r | midkay cvs diff -u > patch |
| 08:39:19 | Slasheri | then checkout, and cat your.patch | patch -p0 |
| 08:39:21 | Bg3r | cvs diff -u rockbox-devel > patch |
| 08:39:25 | JdGordon | can i add a title bar to the onscreen keyboard? |
| 08:40:01 | Bg3r | JdGordon if it still fits on the smallest screens, why not ... |
| 08:40:12 | amiconn | Wasting space? |
| 08:40:22 | JdGordon | how about ignore it on the tiny screens? |
| 08:40:43 | midkay | haha. |
| 08:42:42 | Bg3r | JdGordon maybe ifdef based on screen height |
| 08:44:24 | Bg3r | imho the vkeyboard needs rework... |
| 08:44:51 | midkay | what do you mean, a "title"? "Keyboard"? why? :) |
| 08:45:47 | Bg3r | midkay maybe more like "Enter filename"/"Enter note" ... |
| 08:45:55 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you think about my idea to always boost during disk access? |
| 08:45:59 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 08:46:10 | midkay | up to you .. |
| 08:46:17 | amiconn | Would give a nice speedup and should in fact save battery... |
| 08:46:57 | amiconn | Speedup is roughly a factor of 2.5 |
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| 08:47:23 | amiconn | The boost / unboost could be handled in an intelligent way in the ata thread |
| 08:47:57 | LinusN | amiconn: good idea |
| 08:47:58 | Bg3r | 2.5?? |
| 08:48:53 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:49:28 | Bg3r | then why u ask ?:) |
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| 08:50:02 | amiconn | preglow_, linuxstb, other iPod devs: Could you check whether ata transfer speed differs between boosted/unboosted ? |
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| 09:05:28 | amiconn | midkay: I'd say the pitch screen should go into the wps context menu for targets where it can't be called by a button from wps |
| 09:06:18 | midkay | amiconn, well, sound settings is first on the context menu - don't you think it would be best and most universal to just put it in sound settings? makes 100% sense there and it's rather easily accessible.. |
| 09:06:57 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 09:07:04 | amiconn | Btw, you changed behaviour in wps |
| 09:07:26 | amiconn | Now the pitch screen would pop up just when holding ON |
| 09:07:27 | midkay | if it goes directly in the context menu.. (yes, i know that - i didn't think it'd be a big deal, simplifies the code considerably).. |
| 09:07:52 | midkay | it's actually almost easier this way - trying to hold on when you're adjusting the pitch is a bit uncomfortable imo.. |
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| 09:13:48 | midkay | what the devil is up with the build system? |
| 09:13:56 | midkay | *waiting for confirmation so i can go to bed*... |
| 09:14:04 | midkay | 6+ minutes late already.. |
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| 09:14:34 | JdGordon | prob waiting for my comp |
| 09:14:44 | JdGordon | its running like a dog atm for some reason |
| 09:15:06 | midkay | JdGordon, haha. blast you.. |
| 09:15:10 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:15:25 | midkay | pause the porn viewing please.. i need to gooooo... :) |
| 09:17:08 | JdGordon | just finished.. i tinhk |
| 09:17:25 | Bg3r | with pr0n ? :D |
| 09:17:34 | JdGordon | no, the build |
| 09:17:45 | midkay | sigh.. |
| 09:17:49 | midkay | maybe ONE build finished,, out of like.. 5? :) |
| 09:18:12 | JdGordon | na, i only get 1 or 2.. and rbclient has logged out.. so it should be done |
| 09:18:23 | LinusN | i'm not sure pitch should be in the sound settings |
| 09:18:32 | midkay | LinusN, why not? |
| 09:18:44 | LinusN | first, i think it's a playback setting |
| 09:19:10 | LinusN | secondly, it is a volatile setting, not stored on disk |
| 09:19:25 | midkay | LinusN, well, we could store it on disk.. i think we even got a feature request for that. |
| 09:19:30 | midkay | i'm not sure about it though.. |
| 09:19:48 | LinusN | i wouldn't want it that way, but otoh i never use it :-) |
| 09:19:59 | midkay | nor i - does _anyone_? yeesh... :) |
| 09:20:18 | LinusN | musicians and audio book listeners, i believe |
| 09:20:30 | midkay | timestretching would be nice - possible on the swcodecs, no? |
| 09:20:37 | LinusN | should be possible |
| 09:20:49 | midkay | even the apple's standard ipod firmware allowed it, for audiobooks.. afaik. |
| 09:20:56 | LinusN | albeit cpu intensive if we want decent quality |
| 09:21:07 | midkay | speeding up/slowing down audiobooks. i remember reading that it was timestretching.. |
| 09:21:22 | LinusN | midkay: red ondio builds |
| 09:21:23 | midkay | whew, a measly 3 errors on a couple targets. good.. |
| 09:21:25 | midkay | :) |
| 09:21:37 | midkay | oh. oops.. |
| 09:21:44 | midkay | how did i manage to screw that up.. :) |
| 09:22:34 | midkay | wait, what happened? |
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| 09:22:47 | amiconn | midkay: Ondio has no BUTTON_ON |
| 09:22:48 | midkay | i haven't defined ondios to use button_on.. |
| 09:23:12 | JdGordon | hahah jdgordon.homeip.net 1 1067 1067 ( 1067) TERRIBLE! |
| 09:23:21 | midkay | according to my source, button_on isn't in the ondio definitions.. let me double check.. |
| 09:23:25 | midkay | haha. |
| 09:23:42 | LinusN | JdGordon: boooooh |
| 09:23:50 | midkay | oh, my bad. haha. |
| 09:24:00 | midkay | i defined ondio_pad layout above.. and redefined it below. |
| 09:24:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: Is your build machine a '286, or what? ;) |
| 09:24:51 | JdGordon | may as well be its running so slow atm.. |
| 09:25:09 | JdGordon | midkay: dont commit anything for a sec |
| 09:25:16 | midkay | JdGordon, crap, just did.. |
| 09:25:26 | JdGordon | ok, no prob |
| 09:25:32 | JdGordon | might have restarted fast enough |
| 09:25:36 | midkay | sry.. hopefully :) |
| 09:25:40 | Bg3r | ah |
| 09:25:48 | Bg3r | this is near 20 minutes ... |
| 09:27:04 | JdGordon | .. didnt... next buiold will be wuick |
| 09:27:15 | amiconn | Wow. It seems my machine is actually one of the fastest. 6 or 7 seconds for (bootloader) builds... |
| 09:27:19 | JdGordon | i tihnk its pointless havving my comp in the build system.. damn POS |
| 09:27:33 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:27:47 | B4gder | you should use real linux and it'll run must faster |
| 09:27:59 | JdGordon | hell no.. damn i hate the bloody thing |
| 09:28:19 | amiconn | It's a pity that the upload speed is so limited... |
| 09:28:35 | amiconn | should become a bit better within the next days |
| 09:28:40 | midkay | haha. B4gder btw, i created that "short" features description page on the wiki (WhyRockbox) - maybe you want to have a look. |
| 09:28:49 | B4gder | will do |
| 09:28:57 | midkay | need to get to bed now, though.. nite all. |
| 09:29:13 | LinusN | midkay: i like WhyRockbox |
| 09:29:24 | midkay | LinusN, the title or the.. content? |
| 09:29:30 | LinusN | content |
| 09:29:35 | LinusN | good work |
| 09:29:49 | Bg3r | B4gder what about s/mp3 players/(DAP|digital audio players) ? |
| 09:29:53 | Bg3r | on the front page |
| 09:29:59 | midkay | cool, thx :) if you didn't hear, it was for the main page.. |
| 09:30:18 | midkay | probably to replace the full features list that's linked to and probably too much for beginners to handle.. |
| 09:31:44 | Zagor | Bg3r: too technical, imho. i think most "general users" call them mp3 players, even when they support other formats |
| 09:32:11 | * | JdGordon thinks Bg3r's * key is stuck... got B0ld? |
| 09:32:36 | Bg3r | JdGordon ? |
| 09:32:42 | midkay | JdGordon, you mean mine? :) |
| 09:32:49 | JdGordon | ye, sorry |
| 09:33:16 | midkay | JdGordon, i decided to try emphasizing the main points in bold - wasn't sure how it would look, but i was tired of writing and i thought it looked pretty good, so i put it up. |
| 09:35:40 | midkay | hm - the cvs build system hasn't detected my commit immediately after the fix for ondios - i wonder if it didn't realize it since it was already building something, or just taking a while? |
| 09:36:15 | LinusN | reload the page |
| 09:36:27 | * | amiconn wonders why still no one seems to consider the grayscale lib for games |
| 09:36:57 | amiconn | I think the solid greyscale cube on archos proves that the lib is fast enough for moving gfx |
| 09:36:59 | LinusN | because it SUCKS! :-) |
| 09:37:12 | Bg3r | sounds considerably better than the standard Archos firmware ? |
| 09:37:41 | Bg3r | midkay how this ? |
| 09:37:45 | midkay | maybe something to look into - i updated apps/plugins/bubbles.c |
| 09:37:45 | midkay | ah. there it goes. |
| 09:37:45 | midkay | :) |
| 09:37:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK midkay |
| 09:37:45 | midkay | night again.. *poof* |
| 09:37:50 | LinusN | and on the iriver it sounds like a bag of shit ;-) |
| 09:37:55 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:37:58 | Bg3r | :D |
| 09:38:04 | amiconn | Bg3r: On recorder it actually does (at least v1) |
| 09:38:20 | Bg3r | amiconn ?? |
| 09:38:21 | amiconn | No ticking background noise |
| 09:38:27 | Bg3r | ah |
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| 09:40:46 | Bg3r | do the ipods support recording ? |
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| 10:01:01 | bobTHC | hi folks ! |
| 10:06:59 | BHSPitLappy | hi folk! |
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| 10:16:57 | muesli__ | yo |
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| 10:32:16 | linuxstb | Bg3r: In theory, yes, the ipods support recording. It's not implemented in Rockbox yet though. |
| 10:35:39 | kclaf | recording through the jack connector ? |
| 10:35:40 | bobTHC | on that page : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox a mistake is in the last paragraph about ipod |
| 10:36:06 | bobTHC | in the last sentence |
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| 10:37:10 | Bg3r | bobTHC that's why i'm asking |
| 10:37:20 | bobTHC | hehe |
| 10:37:33 | * | Bg3r is impatient to get scored ... |
| 10:39:45 | JdGordon | haha.. ur waiting for me |
| 10:39:54 | JdGordon | should be faster this time |
| 10:40:03 | JdGordon | how long ago did u start it? |
| 10:40:17 | linuxstb | kclaf: Recording through the headphone connector, plus a true line-in via the dock connector. |
| 10:40:41 | JdGordon | t0mas: :( remove my comp from the build system... its slowing the whole thing down... |
| 10:42:18 | Bg3r | linuxstb btw, is there a reason to define the hold button as a button? |
| 10:42:26 | Bg3r | on ipods |
| 10:43:06 | Bg3r | and, why only for 3G ? |
| 10:43:38 | linuxstb | Bg3r: I've no idea. That was probably one of slimx's 3g patches that I committed. |
| 10:43:57 | Bg3r | ah |
| 10:44:13 | Bg3r | i'm asking because there's no such define on any of the other targets |
| 10:46:14 | linuxstb | slimx hasn't been around recently - and he's the only person I know with a 3g. I don't even know if the audio driver I wrote is working.... |
| 10:46:31 | linuxstb | But if that define isn't being used anywhere, then delete it. |
| 10:46:58 | Bg3r | it's used in button.c :), but i'll take a look |
| 10:47:05 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just seen that... |
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| 10:49:23 | B4gder | JdGordon: I now moved out your server from the cvs build script |
| 10:49:37 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:49:38 | B4gder | but thanks a lot anyway |
| 10:50:21 | JdGordon | i have a nother comp im evventually gonna set up probably as a proper linux server.. that might have better speeds... |
| 10:50:30 | JdGordon | but im lazy, and prob wont happen for ages |
| 10:51:06 | Bg3r | whose is the fastest server ? (217.112...) |
| 10:51:20 | B4gder | 217 is Slasheri's |
| 10:51:44 | B4gder | but it isn't that easy to tell which is the "fastest" |
| 10:52:05 | Bg3r | yep, because archos targets are easier for compile ... |
| 10:52:15 | B4gder | yes, and bootloaders are really quick |
| 10:52:24 | B4gder | the sims are the heavy builds |
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| 10:53:00 | Bg3r | okay, now if you have problems with buttons on the targets, blame me :P |
| 10:53:16 | * | crashd decides not to update via a bleeding edge build today |
| 10:53:16 | crashd | : ) |
| 10:53:23 | Bg3r | :) |
| 10:53:47 | crashd | heh |
| 10:54:19 | * | B4gder made the server stats pages even more fancy |
| 10:55:27 | Zagor | I'd say the server which consistently does the most builds is the fastest. |
| 10:55:43 | B4gder | well, its a bandwidth issue too |
| 10:55:49 | Zagor | true |
| 10:55:53 | B4gder | that one has 100mbit |
| 10:55:59 | bobTHC | btw, sunday , stats were unavailable |
| 10:55:59 | B4gder | to the main server |
| 10:56:00 | Zagor | I have an unfair advantage :-) |
| 10:57:09 | B4gder | in fact, only 3 servers do the sim builds |
| 10:57:26 | Mikachu | the sims - livin it large |
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| 11:02:39 | crashd | is there a wiki page which details which audio codecs are working on which platforms, and so on? |
| 11:02:55 | B4gder | SoundCodecs |
| 11:03:16 | crashd | isnt that a discussion of the possibilities? |
| 11:03:20 | crashd | ahhh |
| 11:03:23 | crashd | such a cretin. |
| 11:06:19 | Bg3r | what should we do with the gl's patches ? |
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| 11:06:53 | B4gder | rewrite them in the same spirit but without using his code |
| 11:06:59 | Bg3r | :))) |
| 11:07:07 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you remove the upload for sim builds meanwhile? |
| 11:07:17 | B4gder | no |
| 11:07:22 | B4gder | I was hoping for t0mas to do that |
| 11:07:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there a way to reliably tell the iPod generation before buying it? |
| 11:07:47 | B4gder | but I think I'll edit it to skip the zip file myself |
| 11:07:51 | * | amiconn is thinking about getting hold of a 3G, or mini |
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| 11:09:33 | Bg3r | amiconn ? |
| 11:09:43 | Bg3r | i was going to remove it |
| 11:09:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: This page describes all the different iPods - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 |
| 11:10:33 | linuxstb | If you look underneath the big table, it also describes the differences between the different models. |
| 11:13:07 | Mikachu | is this good? |
| 11:13:09 | Mikachu | *PANIC* |
| 11:13:12 | Mikachu | Stkov main |
| 11:13:38 | B4gder | ouch |
| 11:13:44 | Bg3r | yes, it's good as much as a stack overflow is good ... |
| 11:13:54 | Mikachu | got it playing Bubbles |
| 11:13:58 | Mikachu | at maybe level 12 or so |
| 11:14:17 | Mikachu | how large is the stack for plugins? |
| 11:14:23 | B4gder | it uses the main stack |
| 11:14:28 | B4gder | so 8K |
| 11:14:38 | B4gder | iirc |
| 11:14:45 | Mikachu | okay |
| 11:15:59 | JdGordon | yay! seg fault :'( |
| 11:16:26 | amiconn | Bg3r: What were you going to remove? |
| 11:16:49 | Bg3r | the BUTTON_HOLD define ... in iPod 3g code |
| 11:17:08 | Bg3r | used only in button.c line 362 |
| 11:17:46 | Bg3r | but i proved again my english skills :P |
| 11:19:48 | crashd | hums |
| 11:19:55 | JdGordon | bums |
| 11:20:08 | crashd | let's see if Bg3r's patch breaks rockbox on my ipod ;) |
| 11:20:50 | * | Bg3r prays |
| 11:20:55 | crashd | heh |
| 11:21:02 | crashd | am only getting 9k/sec from the server tho O.o |
| 11:21:13 | crashd | which is...a little slow. |
| 11:21:35 | B4gder | bandwidth is not what it has the most of ;-) |
| 11:21:39 | crashd | hehe |
| 11:21:50 | crashd | yeah, but ive never had really slow downloads from rockbox.org before |
| 11:21:51 | crashd | ah well |
| 11:22:14 | B4gder | I released a security advisory for curl yday |
| 11:22:27 | B4gder | and I'm now loading the net a lot by people downloading new curl packages |
| 11:23:10 | Bg3r | B4gder found by u or ? |
| 11:23:25 | B4gder | no, found by an external guy doing auditing |
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| 11:24:22 | B4gder | but curl.haxx.se shares the same network as rockbox.org |
| 11:26:21 | Mikachu | hm, i still had .0 |
| 11:28:09 | Bg3r | sprintf... :) |
| 11:28:21 | B4gder | yeah, a sorry piece of flaw |
| 11:28:31 | Bg3r | yep |
| 11:28:47 | Mikachu | okay |
| 11:28:51 | B4gder | but believe me, it is _hard_ to keep things really clean |
| 11:28:54 | Mikachu | bubbles_searchgroup() is recursive |
| 11:28:57 | Zagor | B4gder: I think we should strip the 'nowrap' attribute from the "where" column. we have som very long filenames now and it makes the "what" column really cramped. |
| 11:28:58 | Mikachu | so that's my prime suspect for now |
| 11:29:16 | Zagor | B4gder: (in the lastcvs page) |
| 11:29:35 | B4gder | Zagor: but the file names won't wrap anyway, so it won't help a lot |
| 11:29:48 | B4gder | we should consider chopping them somehow |
| 11:29:56 | B4gder | when they are really long |
| 11:30:19 | Zagor | opera wraps on '/' |
| 11:30:20 | Mikachu | bubbles_anchored is also recursive |
| 11:30:30 | B4gder | what's opera? ;-) |
| 11:30:34 | Zagor | :-) |
| 11:30:49 | Mikachu | should i open a bug about this? |
| 11:30:58 | B4gder | Mikachu: I think you should |
| 11:31:03 | crashd | Bg3r: nothing seems to have broke |
| 11:31:06 | crashd | you can breath out now ;) |
| 11:31:13 | Bg3r | crashd okay :) |
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| 11:31:20 | crashd | but, im sure you knew that anyway, heh |
| 11:31:28 | amiconn | "what" is still wider than "where" here... |
| 11:31:49 | Bg3r | crashd i don't have an iPod, so i can't be sure :) |
| 11:32:20 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, if you have a very wide browser window. try 800-1000 pixels width. |
| 11:32:23 | Mikachu | lets say i wanted to increase the stack size, how would i do that? |
| 11:32:47 | amiconn | We don't want that |
| 11:32:58 | amiconn | Plugins use the main stack, which is in IRAM |
| 11:33:03 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 11:33:05 | amiconn | (for iriver + iPod) |
| 11:33:10 | Mikachu | then the 32MB don't help |
| 11:33:12 | Zagor | Mikachu: the correct solution is to fix the plugin |
| 11:33:20 | Mikachu | yaeh, i ujst meant if i wanted to play more today :) |
| 11:34:00 | amiconn | Bg3r: In fact BUTTON_REPEAT and BUTTON_REL don't need their own bit when we'll add other modifiers |
| 11:34:29 | Bg3r | amiconn probably :) |
| 11:34:32 | amiconn | Only one modifier is possible per button event, so modifiers could be an enumeration, using some bits |
| 11:34:40 | amiconn | ...like the SYS_ event |
| 11:34:41 | amiconn | s |
| 11:35:04 | Bg3r | ah, then we have 16 possible modifiers already :) |
| 11:35:34 | Bg3r | 64 with REL/REPEAT bits |
| 11:35:40 | Mikachu | char str[30]; |
| 11:35:45 | Mikachu | does stuff like that use a lot of stack? |
| 11:35:52 | B4gder | 30 bytes ;-) |
| 11:35:52 | Bg3r | 30bytes ? :) |
| 11:35:55 | Mikachu | (this is not in the recursive function) |
| 11:35:56 | Mikachu | okay :P |
| 11:36:07 | Mikachu | i'm a bit tired |
| 11:36:28 | Mikachu | i can move those into the loops they're used in, at least that will give the recursion 30 more bytes :) |
| 11:38:01 | Bg3r | hm, as the 3.0 is a major release, what about changing the logo ? |
| 11:38:03 | * | Bg3r hides |
| 11:38:06 | Mikachu | is this legal? |
| 11:38:09 | Mikachu | switch(bubbles(&bb)){ |
| 11:38:09 | Mikachu | char str[19]; |
| 11:38:09 | Mikachu | case BB_WIN: |
| 11:38:16 | Bg3r | yes, it is |
| 11:38:21 | Mikachu | looks a bit funny |
| 11:38:27 | Mikachu | but it should give bubbles() 19 bytes |
| 11:38:37 | B4gder | Bg3r: I like the logo |
| 11:38:38 | Zagor | Bg3r: I haven't seen a logo suggestion I like more than our current one |
| 11:38:57 | Bg3r | Zagor what about a new logo contest ? :) |
| 11:39:14 | amiconn | Mikachu: These recursive functions look like they recurse too much, and hence both get slow and hog the stack |
| 11:39:15 | JdGordon | oh bloody helll... the recent plugin.[ch] changes means i have to manually patch them again :'( damn u |
| 11:39:16 | Zagor | I'd have to dislike our current logo first. :-) |
| 11:39:28 | Bg3r | see, this is a bit too-orange (imho) |
| 11:39:49 | Zagor | orange is pretty! :-) |
| 11:39:53 | Mikachu | amiconn: okay, that sounds plausible given the crash |
| 11:40:18 | Bg3r | JdGordon sorry :( |
| 11:40:24 | JdGordon | hehe, no worries |
| 11:40:33 | * | amiconn has written a minesweeper clone (with many different shapes) in javascript, and hence knows how slow recursion can get |
| 11:40:41 | Mikachu | amiconn: this should save a tiny bit, http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/15 |
| 11:40:57 | amiconn | I switched to recursion-without-recursive-calls |
| 11:41:05 | Mikachu | that sohuld save more |
| 11:41:21 | amiconn | ..and check whether I already visited a cell before recursing to it again |
| 11:41:33 | Mikachu | i sort of thought that that check was missing too, but i wasn't sure |
| 11:41:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:41:43 | amiconn | http://amiconn.dyndns.org/newgame/ |
| 11:42:10 | Mikachu | do you mean you switched in your game or in bubbles? |
| 11:42:22 | amiconn | The actual source is http://amiconn.dyndns.org/newgame/game.js |
| 11:42:24 | amiconn | In my game |
| 11:42:30 | amiconn | 30KB javascript |
| 11:42:33 | Mikachu | ah, i thought it was fast |
| 11:43:07 | * | B4gder just edited the front page |
| 11:43:09 | tucoz | amiconn, have you seen that javascript unix someone made? |
| 11:43:36 | tucoz | or maybe not unix but *nix-like |
| 11:44:12 | Mikachu | amiconn: do you feel like looking at it now or should i add the bug? |
| 11:44:19 | Mikachu | i just don't want to add the bug if you're fixing it |
| 11:44:51 | Bg3r | tucoz ? |
| 11:45:04 | tucoz | http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ |
| 11:45:08 | tucoz | Bg3r, yes? |
| 11:45:39 | Bg3r | i wanted to ask you about the URL :P |
| 11:45:57 | tucoz | :-) Try it out. It's quite cool. |
| 11:47:02 | Bg3r | wow :) |
| 11:47:15 | Mikachu | amiconn: actually i think i fixed it.. at least it still works fine |
| 11:47:36 | tucoz | even vi works |
| 11:47:50 | Mikachu | amiconn: does this look right to you? http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/16 |
| 11:49:44 | JdGordon | my text editor plugin.. updated.. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4864 |
| 11:50:01 | B4gder | just fyi, we know when you update it |
| 11:50:10 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 11:50:18 | B4gder | we get mailed on all tracker updates |
| 11:50:18 | * | amiconn doesn't |
| 11:50:24 | JdGordon | but, im hopeing some1 will actually look at it.. |
| 11:50:57 | Mikachu | bugzilla has a fun feature that lets you get all the mail another person gets |
| 11:51:20 | B4gder | *all* his mail? B-] |
| 11:51:35 | Mikachu | from the bugzilla.. :) |
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| 11:51:39 | B4gder | aah |
| 11:51:41 | * | B4gder grins |
| 11:51:44 | Mikachu | :P |
| 11:51:55 | Mikachu | i'm still playing bubbles without any problems |
| 11:52:00 | Mikachu | but haven't made it to the same level yet |
| 11:52:09 | Mikachu | but it doesn't look like i broke gameplay |
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| 11:55:06 | JdGordon | wtf?? i accidently booted the iriver fw and it booted in like 10sec! |
| 11:55:49 | tucoz | which is good or bad? |
| 11:55:57 | JdGordon | unexpected.. |
| 11:56:05 | JdGordon | makes no diff.. i never use it anyway |
| 11:57:30 | Bg3r | any objections against http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4833 ? |
| 11:57:38 | Bg3r | against commiting it |
| 11:58:25 | JdGordon | shouldnt that change be done on all regular yes/no questions anyway? |
| 11:58:56 | B4gder | Bg3r: go ahead! |
| 11:59:28 | Mikachu | shit, i'm at level 16 now and i think it was a few more levels from this one.. :) |
| 11:59:58 | tucoz | JdGordon, is the text editor good? |
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| 12:00:06 | JdGordon | of course it is! |
| 12:00:25 | tucoz | I could think of uses for that. Like, on target wps-editing etc. |
| 12:00:50 | JdGordon | ye, thats what its for...only suky thing is the on screen keyboard which needs work |
| 12:00:56 | tucoz | What vkeyboard do you use? The standard one |
| 12:01:00 | tucoz | ? |
| 12:01:00 | JdGordon | ye |
| 12:01:36 | tucoz | hmm, I think that is too hard to use. I never remember where space is on that one :-( |
| 12:01:59 | JdGordon | arnt all the blanks space? |
| 12:02:36 | tucoz | I think not. But, I am not sure |
| 12:02:37 | JdGordon | also, coz there is no "enter" key, u can only edit 1 line at a time.. |
| 12:03:25 | B4gder | we should add a multi-line mode for it |
| 12:03:31 | B4gder | "we" |
| 12:03:33 | B4gder | :-) |
| 12:03:34 | tucoz | I think I have tried to type a space, but when I look at a file renamed using a blank, I get a square on host |
| 12:04:04 | Mikachu | amiconn: got it, it's fixed so if you want to, apply that patch |
| 12:04:18 | Mikachu | amiconn: level 21 has large groups of the same color, that's where it crashed |
| 12:04:50 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-03-21%2010:34:02.html |
| 12:05:07 | B4gder | there, we're now on top ;-) |
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| 12:05:32 | B4gder | its funny how much they vary |
| 12:05:51 | * | B4gder runs off for lunch |
| 12:06:18 | Bg3r | how the build system decides which build on which server to be made? |
| 12:06:35 | tucoz | Black magic |
| 12:06:38 | Bg3r | :D |
| 12:06:55 | JdGordon | t0mas said they take 1 each, starting with the targets that the fewest servers can build... |
| 12:08:31 | JdGordon | who can spot the 1 ascii char thats not available in the keyboard, but should be |
| 12:09:41 | Mikachu | by ascii, do you mean 0-127? |
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| 12:10:06 | JdGordon | yup |
| 12:10:14 | tucoz | : and ; ? |
| 12:10:20 | tucoz | or isn't that ascii perhaps |
| 12:10:31 | JdGordon | them also.. ok, 3 chars missing |
| 12:10:35 | Mikachu | those are definitely ascii |
| 12:10:49 | JdGordon | no \ |
| 12:12:18 | Mikachu | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4872 , close that if you do apply it |
| 12:12:29 | tucoz | JdGordon, if you work on the keyboard, do you think you could make space be a bit easier to find? Or are all blanks spaces |
| 12:12:36 | Bg3r | amiconn i'll do it :) |
| 12:12:59 | JdGordon | tucoz: i just looked.. all the spaces between groups should be spaces |
| 12:13:30 | tucoz | really? ok. Then I rest my case |
| 12:13:38 | Bg3r | Mikachu u've tested it, yep ? |
| 12:13:56 | Mikachu | Bg3r: yeah, like i wrote in the desc |
| 12:14:08 | Mikachu | but i died on level 22 :/ |
| 12:14:11 | tucoz | JdGordon, Is that true for the spaces on the bottom right corner of the keyboard as well? |
| 12:14:22 | tucoz | *blanks |
| 12:15:17 | JdGordon | yup, should be |
| 12:15:41 | Bg3r | :P |
| 12:15:53 | * | JdGordon just found the morse code input screen |
| 12:15:55 | tucoz | ok. |
| 12:15:59 | JdGordon | looks interesting.. |
| 12:16:13 | Bg3r | JdGordon yeah :) |
| 12:16:44 | phaedrus961 | tucoz, there are at least three chars on the vkeyboard which are displayed as spaces but aren't. maybe you used one of those? |
| 12:17:18 | tucoz | Is it possible to use direction keys in the current vkeyboard? To move to a certain position in the text. If it is, how do I access that mode. |
| 12:17:40 | JdGordon | ye, on the h300 u hold on and use left/right |
| 12:17:40 | tucoz | phaedrus961, ah. That is possible. Well, then I have a case again :-D |
| 12:17:49 | Bg3r | Mikachu r'u in the credits already ? |
| 12:17:53 | Mikachu | Bg3r: yes |
| 12:17:58 | Bg3r | name ? |
| 12:18:11 | Mikachu | mikael magnusson |
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| 12:18:26 | tucoz | JdGordon, thanks |
| 12:18:59 | Bg3r | commited |
| 12:19:11 | Mikachu | amiconn: committed, sorry for all the hilights :) |
| 12:20:57 | Mikachu | Bg3r: thanks |
| 12:21:13 | tucoz | JdGordon, ok. As there are blanks that are not space, then I think that should be changed so that it's not that ambiguous. |
| 12:22:01 | JdGordon | probably.. there is a nice long forum thread abuot a replacemtn keyboard widget... hopefully they will come up with a good solution.. |
| 12:22:19 | JdGordon | the ones between that act as column borders are safe to use as space |
| 12:22:41 | phaedrus961 | I have a patch which allows you to define your own layout |
| 12:23:01 | JdGordon | phaedrus961: does it allow for more than 1 line of input? |
| 12:23:02 | phaedrus961 | and also allows unicode chars |
| 12:23:05 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856 ? |
| 12:23:09 | tucoz | Ok, well that is ok for me then. But it's not a good solution anyway |
| 12:23:27 | phaedrus961 | Bg3r, yes |
| 12:24:17 | markun | I think a custom keyboard for every target (like being suggested in the forum) is not worth the trouble. |
| 12:24:24 | Bg3r | any opinions on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4812 ? |
| 12:24:34 | markun | phaedrus961's patch is generic and simple. |
| 12:24:49 | phaedrus961 | JdGordon, no it doesn't, but maybe it could |
| 12:25:23 | * | JdGordon thinks its silly having a huge input area (havnt actually seen your code, going by the current kb), and only alowing 1 line of text |
| 12:25:24 | phaedrus961 | on targets with large screens at least |
| 12:25:35 | JdGordon | also, i need a simple way to get multiple lines form the user :p |
| 12:25:49 | markun | phaedrus961: enter, tab, space etc are a problem |
| 12:26:14 | Bg3r | phaedrus961 and remote support ... :) |
| 12:26:29 | phaedrus961 | markun, entering them is not a problem, only displaying them |
| 12:26:32 | markun | JdGordon: what's silly about it? It's only used for file names so far |
| 12:26:34 | JdGordon | Bg3r: shouldnt that patch make sure the current track is stopped before deleting it? |
| 12:26:50 | Bg3r | JdGordon that's what i thought too ... |
| 12:26:52 | JdGordon | markun: true.. but its soo much blank space |
| 12:26:55 | Mikachu | calendar.c: if (rb->kbd_input(memos[memos_in_memory].message, |
| 12:27:02 | Mikachu | is that also for a filename? |
| 12:27:23 | markun | Mikachu: no, you are right |
| 12:27:28 | Mikachu | that wasn't meant to sound sarcastic by the way |
| 12:28:00 | markun | :) |
| 12:28:13 | JdGordon | phaedrus961: also, might be nice to add a tilte for the keyboard, so the user knows what why he is at the kb screen.. incase he forgot or something |
| 12:28:25 | * | JdGordon gettign a pie.. back in 4min |
| 12:28:32 | Mikachu | Bg3r: you're using utf8 in your commit messages but the frontpage expects iso-8859-1.. if you care |
| 12:29:10 | Bg3r | Mikachu yeah... but this also goes in the cvs log.. |
| 12:30:06 | Mikachu | okay, i don't know what policy you have on taht |
| 12:30:30 | phaedrus961 | JdGordon, we could pass a string to be displayed by the keyboard function, but I don't think it's needed until we use it for something other than filenames |
| 12:30:35 | markun | Mikachu: maybe we should start using UTF-8 a bit more. Diffs from lang files look very strange now. |
| 12:30:36 | Mikachu | markun: did you ever do anything about that unicode text viewer? |
| 12:30:54 | tucoz | viewcvs also expects iso-8859-1 |
| 12:31:08 | Mikachu | i'm pretty sure it's just a setting in apache |
| 12:31:13 | markun | phaedrus961, do you plan to continue on the viewer? |
| 12:31:14 | Mikachu | the content headers have iso88591 in them |
| 12:31:30 | Bg3r | while on Mikachu's patches, any opinions on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4851 ? |
| 12:31:55 | Mikachu | Paprica should be handling that one |
| 12:32:05 | phaedrus961 | I kind of lost interest, but maybe I'll continue sometime |
| 12:32:12 | Mikachu | he asked me to but that bug up |
| 12:32:19 | Bg3r | ah, okay |
| 12:32:34 | phaedrus961 | If someone wants to test or work on it, I can send a patch |
| 12:32:51 | phaedrus961 | I've already fixed the half-screen bug |
| 12:33:14 | Bg3r | phaedrus961 put it on the tracker .. |
| 12:33:15 | Mikachu | do you count widths of varwidth characters? |
| 12:33:17 | phaedrus961 | and begun work on switching encodings, but no menu yet |
| 12:33:52 | phaedrus961 | yes |
| 12:34:44 | Mikachu | and i trust you don't linebreak utf-8 in the middle of a character too? :) |
| 12:35:19 | Mikachu | i'd be interested in the code |
| 12:35:26 | phaedrus961 | nope :) |
| 12:36:13 | phaedrus961 | I'll put it on the tracker |
| 12:36:20 | Mikachu | thanks |
| 12:37:38 | JdGordon | any1 like the idea of a predone menu for plugins which gives u control of the music without having to exit the plugin? |
| 12:38:10 | Mikachu | hahhaa, flyspray is funny |
| 12:38:13 | Mikachu | Flyspray cannot provide the page you requested. Perhaps you requested a task that does not exist, or you do not have permission to view the page you wanted. |
| 12:38:16 | Mikachu | You may have tried to use a naughty URL to interact with the database backend using SQL injection. If this is true, go to the corner and think about your actions. When you return, please do not do it again! |
| 12:38:26 | tucoz | JdGordon, I am all for that |
| 12:38:41 | Bg3r | :D haha |
| 12:38:44 | JdGordon | thats enough for me... |
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| 12:39:05 | tucoz | JdGordon, although I have little say in that area :-) |
| 12:39:43 | LinusN | JdGordon: i want that |
| 12:40:07 | Mikachu | that reminds me, i sort of had an idea about ipod wheel and volume |
| 12:40:12 | * | JdGordon getting a clean cvs tree |
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| 12:40:35 | Mikachu | instead of controlling the volume directly when you touch the wheel, it could check if you touched it on a certain point, and only accept volume changes until the next release |
| 12:40:41 | Mikachu | since lostlogic's patch allows checking for that |
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| 12:41:06 | Mikachu | that way it shouldn't be possible to change the volume by accident in your pocket, making preglow happy |
| 12:41:29 | Mikachu | the only problem is it's pretty hard to guess what point you're supposed to start on |
| 12:42:14 | Mikachu | it would also be possible to require scrolling 1/4 lap before starting to accept volume changes if you really don't want to do it by accident |
| 12:42:21 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, I'm definitely in favour of a plugin audio menu as well. |
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| 12:42:27 | JdGordon | is this coz ipod has no hold? |
| 12:42:30 | Mikachu | and opens up possibilites like doing other things when starting on other points |
| 12:42:36 | Mikachu | JdGordon: no, because we want to have hold off :) |
| 12:42:49 | JdGordon | but still control audio? |
| 12:42:52 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 12:42:52 | JdGordon | volume |
| 12:42:55 | JdGordon | ok.. |
| 12:43:07 | Mikachu | rather, be able to press next/previous without the volume changing |
| 12:43:19 | Mikachu | since you can't press those buttons without scrolling the wheel if you're not looking |
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| 12:44:34 | Mikachu | phaedrus961: sorry for being impatient, but are you putting the patch in? |
| 12:44:41 | Zoide7777 | hi guys |
| 12:44:58 | phaedrus961 | yeah, give me a min |
| 12:45:14 | Zoide7777 | i noticed the update so now there are keys for pitch change in the ipods.... Where in the interface should those keys be pressed? |
| 12:45:28 | Mikachu | Zoide7777: there isn't a hook for actually going to that screen yet |
| 12:45:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon: How are you thinking about implementing a menu for audio functions in plugins? |
| 12:46:27 | JdGordon | linuxstb: create a menu with all the functionality, then just add the function to the plugin api.. that would work wouldnt it? |
| 12:46:53 | JdGordon | then its just up to the individual plugins to call it |
| 12:47:23 | linuxstb | Or you could put it in the plugin lib - to keep the core code size down. Assuming you can easily export all the needed functions via the plugin API. |
| 12:47:39 | linuxstb | Ah, but then there is no localisation... So maybe the core is best for now. |
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| 12:48:40 | JdGordon | we can #define it out for the archos.. how many games are available on it? i dont tihnk it would be so nescacery in the other plugins... |
| 12:49:17 | JdGordon | which targets are really size constraind? |
| 12:49:23 | Mikachu | Bg3r: hrm, i just confirmed the patch doesn't fix the bug |
| 12:49:31 | linuxstb | JdGordon: All of them. We shouldn't waste RAM anywhere. |
| 12:49:41 | Bg3r | Mikachu hmm |
| 12:49:55 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i meant exe size wise... |
| 12:49:56 | Mikachu | it's easier to try now that the plugin lets me jump to level 21 |
| 12:51:30 | Mikachu | for the record, it crashes if the first thing i do in the level is shoot a red ball at either of the group of 3 red balls in level 21 |
| 12:51:36 | JdGordon | linuxstb: actually, if i reuse as many functions as i can, it shouldnt add too much to the size.. |
| 12:51:53 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Now we have amiconn's compressed loader, I don't think we are dangerously short on space on any target. But IMO, if code is only needed by plugins, it should be in the plugin lib. |
| 12:52:12 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:52:38 | JdGordon | no reason this couldnt be used in the core.. then the wps can be removed and the entire system can be done through menus... |
| 12:52:48 | linuxstb | But saying that, I don't feel strongly about it - IMO, localisation could be a good reason to keep it in the core, and it shouldn't be too much code. |
| 12:52:48 | * | JdGordon forgot sarcasm tag on prev msg |
| 12:52:53 | Mikachu | Bg3r: do i want to reopen the patch or open a new bug? |
| 12:53:24 | Bg3r | Mikachu if you plan to dig into this, reopen it |
| 12:53:26 | imphasing | 7:08 hours on the 5g, playing FLAC |
| 12:53:27 | imphasing | :) |
| 12:53:32 | imphasing | Yay for benchmarking |
| 12:53:43 | Mikachu | Bg3r: well, i don't really have any idea what else to try |
| 12:53:48 | linuxstb | imphasing: That's interesting. I got slightly more than that on my 4g Color. |
| 12:54:13 | linuxstb | Do you know the approximate bitrate of your FLAC files? I think mine were around 900kbps. |
| 12:54:57 | phaedrus961 | Mikachu, patch uploaded |
| 12:55:02 | imphasing | Let me check.. |
| 12:55:04 | Mikachu | thanks |
| 12:55:10 | Mikachu | unfortunately i have to go to school for 4 hours now :) |
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| 12:55:32 | ironi_ | hi all |
| 12:55:32 | linuxstb | imphasing: Also, is this with a very recent Rockbox? i.e. one that does dynamic CPU speed changing? |
| 12:55:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: We should still strive to get code size down on archos |
| 12:55:50 | imphasing | This is the daily fron yesterday |
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| 12:55:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: Of course. |
| 12:56:11 | amiconn | While the hard limit is lifted, almost evry byte counts due to the limited ram |
| 12:56:20 | phaedrus961 | Mikachu, there were some things I wanted to finish on it anyway, maybe it'll be updated when you get back |
| 12:56:29 | imphasing | these are 800kbps flac files |
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| 13:00:02 | JdGordon | ah crap.. how do i copy in vnc so i can paste the text outside of vnc? |
| 13:01:09 | amiconn | B4gder: 5 seconds for one of the builds on mine. Is that a record? |
| 13:01:28 | B4gder | I think so |
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| 13:05:15 | * | Zagor is pondering automated lint runs |
| 13:05:29 | Zagor | we have too little colour in our build table :-) |
| 13:05:48 | B4gder | well, enable that gcc4 warning we have disabled ;-) |
| 13:06:54 | B4gder | adds signed/unisgned warnings like crazy |
| 13:07:34 | JdGordon | are static local variables created when the program starts? or the first time the function with it is called? |
| 13:07:39 | Zoide7777 | Could the "Max files in dir browser" default be increased to more than 400? If that's a problem for the archoses, there could always be an ifdef for them... |
| 13:07:54 | B4gder | more than 400? |
| 13:07:59 | Zagor | B4gder: well I'd prefer som more useful messages |
| 13:08:00 | B4gder | why? |
| 13:08:18 | B4gder | Zagor: we can in fact add a lot of more pedantic gcc warnings too |
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| 13:08:42 | B4gder | people with more than 400 entries in a single dir should be educated! |
| 13:08:50 | Zoide7777 | B4gder: because it's too small. Every time I reset settings or update Rockbox I have to change it, or else it doesn't list all of my files and says dir browser cache full or something |
| 13:09:04 | B4gder | then rearrange I say |
| 13:09:14 | B4gder | or save a .cfg |
| 13:09:39 | Zoide7777 | B4gder: well, I had already succumbed to creating Artist folders while I wait for tagcache... and even so it's way more than 400... |
| 13:10:07 | Bg3r | Zoide7777 then add one more level with genre ... |
| 13:10:07 | B4gder | 400 artists? |
| 13:10:34 | B4gder | I use genre/artist/album/track.mp3 |
| 13:10:47 | Zoide7777 | B4gder: almost 700 artists |
| 13:11:15 | Zoide7777 | well, 679 |
| 13:11:35 | linuxstb | Zoide7777: Just create a one-line .cfg file containing the text "max files in dir: 10000" (or whatever you want the limit to be) and select it after every settings reset. |
| 13:12:24 | linuxstb | Or as B4gder said, save a .cfg file with your preferred settings for everything, and load that. |
| 13:12:34 | Zoide7777 | linuxstb: ok, i just wonder why the default is so low? surely it doesn't hurt to raise it for the more modern players? |
| 13:12:46 | B4gder | I don't think 400 is low |
| 13:12:53 | linuxstb | Most people would ask why it is so high. |
| 13:13:03 | amiconn | 400 is quite large, imho |
| 13:13:19 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 13:13:21 | Zoide7777 | really? oh, well |
| 13:13:30 | Bg3r | the only time i hit this limit was when browsing my "fun" stuff ... |
| 13:13:49 | amiconn | ...but most of these problems will be solved when changing the running config to use .cfg files |
| 13:13:51 | Zoide7777 | I guess that's why I'm one of the few who really want scrollwheel acceleration and who prefer a database to the file/folder navigation |
| 13:14:02 | amiconn | No more settings reset by config block version changes |
| 13:14:03 | Zoide7777 | (too many artists!) |
| 13:14:19 | linuxstb | Zoide7777: I think most Rockbox users have an Genre/Artist/Album/ directory structure set up. Which makes Rockbox navigation easy. |
| 13:14:22 | B4gder | Zoide7777: other poeple would split the list |
| 13:14:29 | Zoide7777 | Bg3r: > 400 porn pics?? |
| 13:14:38 | Zoide7777 | hehe |
| 13:15:18 | ironi_ | i have problems with VA-albums |
| 13:15:30 | ironi_ | with databse it always makes too many artists in my list |
| 13:15:33 | ironi_ | :) |
| 13:15:50 | Bg3r | Zoide7777 haha no |
| 13:16:04 | Zoide7777 | Bg3: hey, you said it was your "fun" stuff... :) |
| 13:16:12 | Bg3r | text/jpegs/ etc |
| 13:16:23 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
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| 13:18:37 | Jungti1234 | what is 'pitch'? |
| 13:20:11 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: high/low frequency |
| 13:20:29 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: for example, a note D is higher pitch than a note C, if they are on the same octave |
| 13:20:44 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: similarly 5000 hz is higher pitch than 1000 hz |
| 13:21:09 | linuxstb | In Rockbox, the "pitch screen" allows you to adjust the playback speed to play the track faster or slower (which also changes the pitch) |
| 13:21:29 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
| 13:24:09 | Jungti1234 | sorry, I don't understand. |
| 13:24:24 | Jungti1234 | It's difficult word. |
| 13:24:44 | JdGordon | playlist_next changes the current track? |
| 13:25:42 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: Another example is human voice. Usually a man's voice is "lower pitch" than a woman's voice. And a woman's voice is "higher pitch" than a man's voice |
| 13:26:04 | Jungti1234 | 'pitch' means that throw a ball. no? |
| 13:26:11 | tucoz | that also |
| 13:26:22 | Zoide7777 | but the meaning is totally different |
| 13:26:54 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. pitch... |
| 13:27:11 | Jungti1234 | Frequency alteration? |
| 13:27:46 | * | amiconn found one blue and one silver iPod mini on ebay so far |
| 13:28:12 | tucoz | amiconn, ipod for you? |
| 13:28:23 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: yes, in a way. higher pitch = higher frequency, lower pitch = lower frequency |
| 13:28:46 | Jungti1234 | ok :) |
| 13:30:35 | B4gder | hey |
| 13:30:45 | B4gder | I can build with langv2 file |
| 13:30:54 | Jungti1234 | oh.. |
| 13:31:17 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: So in Rockbox, when you speed up the playback you increase the pitch. Similar to playing a vinyl or cassette at high speed. Suddenly the singer sounds like a girl or a chipmunk |
| 13:31:49 | ironi_ | but can't that be prevented to some extent |
| 13:32:04 | Jungti1234 | ah? playback speed? |
| 13:32:18 | JdGordon | does audio_pause() mute the radio? |
| 13:32:26 | ironi_ | i mean that when oyu play faster it makes the voice a bit darker and the other way around |
| 13:32:39 | ironi_ | so that it isn't that obvious? |
| 13:32:46 | ironi_ | just guessing here |
| 13:32:48 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: Yes. It can be useful to increase playback speed. For example if you listen to audiobooks and you want to listen to it faster. |
| 13:33:13 | Jungti1234 | Zoide7777: nono, Again |
| 13:33:15 | cs_weasel | that's computationally expensive for something like a DAP to do |
| 13:33:21 | cs_weasel | ironi_ |
| 13:33:22 | ironi_ | cs_weasel: i guess :) |
| 13:33:39 | cs_weasel | that's the sort of thing you see in software like Acid and such |
| 13:33:46 | Jungti1234 | Zoide7777: Is it frequency alteration? or playback speed? |
| 13:33:49 | cs_weasel | neat trick, but taxes the cpu :) |
| 13:33:58 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: Both |
| 13:34:01 | Jungti1234 | oh.. |
| 13:34:14 | Jungti1234 | I'm confused. |
| 13:34:51 | tucoz | Jungti1234, it is playback speed |
| 13:34:52 | Zoide7777 | Jungti: You *could* alter then independently, but it's harder for the CPU because it has to do more calculations (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 13:35:09 | tucoz | Jungti1234, which implies freq. alteration |
| 13:35:15 | Jungti1234 | tucoz: ok |
| 13:35:17 | Jungti1234 | Zoide7777: I understand now. |
| 13:35:25 | cs_weasel | it's the same thing, think of a line that goes up and like so __-=-__-=-_-=-_ |
| 13:35:45 | cs_weasel | if you run through it faster, the frequency of the wave is higher too |
| 13:36:20 | cs_weasel | you're suddenly doing 10 waves per second rather than 5 |
| 13:36:38 | cs_weasel | while doubling the speed you're traveling through it |
| 13:37:01 | Zoide7777 | This link might be helpful: http://whyfiles.larc.nasa.gov/text/kids/Problem_Board/problems/sound/sound_waves2.html |
| 13:37:39 | cs_weasel | also, getting an audio editor like soundforge or something, zooming waaay into your mp3, and watching it play at different speeds :) |
| 13:37:51 | amiconn | Well, we will probably be able to alter playback speed and pitch independently, without much extra cpu power, but for mp3 only |
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| 13:38:25 | cs_weasel | neat |
| 13:38:51 | Jungti1234 | then, what is 'Party Mode'? |
| 13:39:04 | Zoide7777 | midkay: are you around? |
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| 13:40:57 | tucoz | Jungti1234, try it out and see. But, in short terms, it disables stop-play-next-prev track changes and adds the track to the playlist instead |
| 13:41:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:41:51 | tucoz | Start playing a track, enable party-mode and try pressing keys in the file-browser |
| 13:42:06 | tucoz | Usefull for PARTIES :-D |
| 13:42:12 | cs_weasel | so you don't embarrass yourself by screwing up when you're pretending to be a DJ :-D |
| 13:42:16 | Zoide7777 | does anyone know how midkay's pitch screen is going? I tried a build he sent me yesterday and it seemed to work fine |
| 13:42:51 | Zoide7777 | (then my ipod froze, but I don't know if that's related) |
| 13:45:00 | B4gder | surprise at next commit! |
| 13:45:04 | Zoide7777 | I have an idea!!! Could there be an option in Party Mode for "scratching" on the touch wheel??? Would that be possible or too difficult to implement? |
| 13:46:07 | tucoz | B4gder, exiting |
| 13:46:15 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 13:46:16 | tucoz | exciting I mean |
| 13:47:32 | JdGordon | can we put all the available .h files into 1 .h so we dont have to figure out which damn file we need to include? |
| 13:48:08 | Jungti1234 | B4gder: what? |
| 13:49:05 | B4gder | what what? |
| 13:49:32 | tucoz | Jungti1234, curious, eh? |
| 13:49:34 | B4gder | I can't tell you what the surprise is, then it won't be any surprise |
| 13:50:28 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 13:50:45 | Zoide7777 | What do you guys think about the scratching idea? By scratching I mean like what DJs do when they spin the disks back and forth... |
| 13:51:01 | B4gder | Zoide7777: good luck ;-) |
| 13:51:55 | Zoide7777 | B4gder: hahaha ok |
| 13:52:44 | Jungti1234 | Zoide7777: good idea |
| 13:54:33 | Zoide7777 | I mean, if we have software that lets us play Gameboy games and Doom on our MP3 players, we might as well be able to use it for scratching... :D |
| 13:56:18 | Jungti1234 | tucoz: Where can I find it? 'Party Mode' |
| 13:56:42 | tucoz | It would be cool (although probably too expensive) to have a Samsung SSD in my h120. http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_3341.html |
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| 13:57:00 | tucoz | Jungti1234, general-setting->playback I think |
| 13:57:59 | Jungti1234 | ahh, yeah |
| 13:59:03 | B4gder | now there's a build going on... |
| 13:59:27 | Bg3r | B4gder !!!!!!!! |
| 13:59:52 | B4gder | the v2 is actually not the surprise |
| 13:59:55 | Bg3r | this can't be true :) |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:08 | Jungti1234 | ahhh |
| 14:00:10 | Jungti1234 | wow |
| 14:00:20 | B4gder | I haven't enabled the v2 yet since we still lack support scripts for it |
| 14:00:29 | tucoz | B4gder, congratulations :) |
| 14:00:34 | B4gder | that's what I'll do next |
| 14:00:40 | Bg3r | ah!! |
| 14:00:44 | B4gder | but check the cvs build for _another_ surprise ;-) |
| 14:01:25 | safetydan | the suspense is killing me |
| 14:01:40 | Bg3r | huh ? |
| 14:01:53 | cs_weasel | F5ing like a maniac |
| 14:02:31 | B4gder | hey, that'll prolong the build! ;-) |
| 14:02:52 | cs_weasel | doh ;) |
| 14:04:03 | * | safetydan awaits commit emails |
| 14:04:07 | safetydan | much less load on the server |
| 14:04:26 | B4gder | there |
| 14:04:28 | Bg3r | ahhhhh:) |
| 14:04:30 | Bg3r | yeah :) |
| 14:04:39 | Bg3r | congrats, LinusN :) |
| 14:04:49 | B4gder | also in the daily builds now |
| 14:04:59 | Jungti1234 | damn |
| 14:05:01 | tucoz | What, X5 works? |
| 14:05:10 | Jungti1234 | my computer is bad. |
| 14:05:11 | B4gder | and bleeding just now |
| 14:05:12 | cs_weasel | oh cool, congrats |
| 14:05:12 | tucoz | or "works" |
| 14:05:14 | Bg3r | X5 probably boots :) |
| 14:05:16 | safetydan | ooo |
| 14:05:19 | tucoz | cool |
| 14:05:27 | JdGordon | niiice |
| 14:05:30 | JdGordon | congrats |
| 14:05:45 | JdGordon | ok, why doesnt my menu show? |
| 14:05:47 | B4gder | all cheering should go in LinusN's direction |
| 14:05:58 | Moos | wee LinusN \o/ |
| 14:06:13 | B4gder | but he got 18 points!! :-] |
| 14:06:20 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 14:06:25 | * | Moos is ready for test something in his X5 60 gb |
| 14:06:29 | tucoz | Congratulations LinusN |
| 14:06:31 | XavierGr | Is there a bootloader? |
| 14:07:13 | B4gder | I'd like a small x5 picture please |
| 14:07:45 | JdGordon | gotta do something about that build table.. waay to wide :p |
| 14:07:53 | Bg3r | any opinions about this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4800 ? |
| 14:08:55 | XavierGr | Bger: Any news on the zoom thing. I see you have a major activity this day :D |
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| 14:09:04 | Jungti1234 | good good good |
| 14:09:06 | Moos | B4gder: is there someone (maybe you) already working on the STOP button replacement for X5? |
| 14:09:23 | B4gder | replacement? |
| 14:09:34 | JdGordon | only 1 of those warnings actually means anything.. 5 are unused vairables... congrats (y) |
| 14:09:43 | B4gder | we just have to do key assignments without a stop button |
| 14:09:51 | Moos | ok |
| 14:09:56 | B4gder | there's the silly rec button we can abuse I guess |
| 14:10:05 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 14:10:20 | B4gder | and we have no button combos on x5 |
| 14:10:20 | * | Bg3r also spots 9/18 ^[^i]/^i actual (not sim) targets ... |
| 14:10:22 | Moos | B4gder: did you planed to do it yourself? |
| 14:10:25 | B4gder | no |
| 14:10:33 | B4gder | I'm on a langv2 track for 3.0 |
| 14:10:43 | Moos | maybe I will as soon I have more time |
| 14:11:02 | Moos | Good luck for langv2 front |
| 14:11:09 | Bg3r | ops, 11/18 |
| 14:13:20 | B4gder | Marsdaddy says he has WMA fixed-pointed now... |
| 14:13:29 | tucoz | B4gder, no radio on the X5? |
| 14:13:51 | Moos | there is |
| 14:14:00 | tucoz | ok |
| 14:14:49 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 14:15:00 | Jungti1234 | AR+RANLIB /home/Jeong/rockbox/boot/librockbox.a |
| 14:15:00 | Jungti1234 | make: *** /home/Jeong/rockbox/bootloader: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 14:15:00 | Jungti1234 | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 14:16:08 | JdGordon | how do i just to the next/prev track, and play/pause music? |
| 14:16:28 | Bg3r | again, any opinions about this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4800 ? |
| 14:17:15 | B4gder | I'm in favour of allowing the feature somewhere outside of the debug menu, and maybe that is a fine approach |
| 14:18:05 | Jungti1234 | ah, I download it now. |
| 14:20:48 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is there a wiki page for langv2? (I've failed to find it...) |
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| 14:21:09 | B4gder | no, just my old notes: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/langv2 |
| 14:21:23 | B4gder | but I'm not going for the full concept to start with |
| 14:21:30 | preglow__ | you got something to boot on x5 rockbox now? |
| 14:21:41 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:21:42 | Bg3r | hey, B4gder any other pics from the devconf ? :) |
| 14:22:07 | Jungti1234 | yahoo.... nicd B4gder |
| 14:22:14 | Jungti1234 | *nice |
| 14:22:21 | B4gder | I want to collect pics from the guys and make a little devcon gallery |
| 14:22:26 | B4gder | but time... |
| 14:23:27 | XavierGr | http://www.infoverse.org/octomatics/octomatics.htm |
| 14:24:06 | JdGordon | how do i goto the next/prev track in the playlist programatically? |
| 14:24:56 | tucoz | Is there a RTC in the X5? |
| 14:25:04 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:25:21 | tucoz | ok, thanks. |
| 14:25:53 | Jungti1234 | How do I make bootloader the 'exe'? |
| 14:25:54 | B4gder | preglow__: seen marsdaddy claiming to have a fixed-point wma codec now |
| 14:26:00 | LinusN | the x5 bootloader is not yet ready |
| 14:26:01 | Jungti1234 | tools/mkboot ? |
| 14:26:12 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 then better wait |
| 14:26:17 | Jungti1234 | haha.. ok |
| 14:27:12 | JdGordon | boo... is any1 there??? how do i jump tracks? |
| 14:27:22 | XavierGr | Bagder: Where is that? Any Links? |
| 14:27:24 | Bg3r | JdGordon jump as ? |
| 14:27:42 | JdGordon | prev/next track... playlist_next() doesnt seem to do anything |
| 14:28:09 | Bg3r | JdGordon look at apps/playlist_menu.c ... should be there |
| 14:28:27 | preglow__ | B4gder: oooh |
| 14:29:13 | JdGordon | audio_prev()/next() ... |
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| 14:29:35 | preglow__ | argh |
| 14:29:40 | preglow__ | i was hoping on seeing a zip |
| 14:29:44 | JdGordon | any1 know where set_sound() is declared? |
| 14:29:51 | preglow__ | JdGordon: settings.c |
| 14:32:21 | JdGordon | ok, ive done a menu that has prev/next track, play/pause/stop, change volume, shufle and repeat modes, and view/search playlist... anything else i should add? |
| 14:32:41 | JdGordon | + im getting some funky warnings :D |
| 14:33:02 | Bg3r | btw, shouldn't we rename "Rockbox Info" to "System Info" ? |
| 14:33:17 | Jungti1234 | yeah, It's not Rockbox's information. |
| 14:33:22 | Jungti1234 | It's information of device. |
| 14:33:27 | JdGordon | preglow__: its not in settings.c |
| 14:33:49 | tucoz | how do I access the menu in the x5 sim? |
| 14:35:01 | preglow__ | right, it's in sound_menu.c, i confused them |
| 14:36:14 | Zoide7777 | Any news on a playback speed screen now that the buttons are assigned? |
| 14:41:02 | Paprica | blah, the link is invalid when i try to close a task on the tracker |
| 14:42:19 | LinusN | from config-ipodmini.h: |
| 14:42:21 | LinusN | #define MODEL_NUMBER 9 /* TODO: change to 9 */ |
| 14:42:25 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:42:31 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:43:53 | XavierGr | I think it is time for me to ditch Trillian and start using GAIM |
| 14:44:03 | Zagor | Paprica: which link? |
| 14:44:16 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/closeform |
| 14:44:24 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4872 |
| 14:44:28 | Paprica | try to slose it |
| 14:44:30 | Paprica | close* |
| 14:45:15 | Zagor | is it committed? |
| 14:46:05 | Paprica | yep |
| 14:46:16 | preglow__ | amiconn: i don't get why the stereo width formulas look like they do, care to elaborate? |
| 14:46:18 | Zagor | closed. no problem here. |
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| 14:46:32 | Paprica | wtf? |
| 14:46:33 | Paprica | =\ |
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| 14:51:54 | JdGordon | done! |
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| 14:53:35 | JdGordon | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4874 |
| 14:54:00 | JdGordon | and with that.. im going to bed |
| 14:54:02 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 14:54:29 | Zoide7777 | sorry to be nit-picky, but should the ipod3g image go to the left of the 4g one? (in the cvs builds page) |
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| 14:55:01 | amiconn | Woo, congrats LinusN |
| 14:55:09 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 14:55:23 | B4gder | Zoide7777: the columns in the table are alphabetically sorted |
| 14:55:29 | LinusN | amiconn: nah, it's not working just yet, i just let bagder prepare the builds |
| 14:55:41 | B4gder | (although some of the texts used for the sort is not shown) |
| 14:56:32 | * | preglow nudges amiconn |
| 14:56:43 | Zoide7777 | B4gder: ah, ok; b/c with the visible text it would seem that ipod3g comes before ipod4gray |
| 14:57:17 | B4gder | you mean in the bleeding table then? |
| 14:57:31 | Zoide7777 | yes |
| 14:57:46 | B4gder | in that table they just get appended somewhat randomly ;-) |
| 14:58:03 | Zoide7777 | ok, it doesn't really matter :) i was just being nitpicky |
| 14:58:49 | amiconn | preglow: What exactly about the formulas? They're designed to (1) keep the total volume constant for <= 100 % (2) keep the volume mostly constant for > 100% (3) are based on the fact that 'straight' means -1 on the MAS instead of +1 |
| 14:58:53 | Jungti1234 | hahahahaha http://img.manian.dreamwiz.com/A060201/2006/03/21/125444_1.jpg |
| 14:59:11 | * | LinusN just booted rockbox on his x5!!! |
| 14:59:34 | * | Moos apllauses :-) |
| 14:59:34 | Jungti1234 | ..... |
| 14:59:43 | * | LinusN does the famous x5 dance |
| 14:59:43 | Bg3r | cool! |
| 14:59:50 | Moos | Hurray !!! |
| 14:59:51 | B4gder | a box that rocks! |
| 14:59:56 | Zoide7777 | good job |
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| 15:00:23 | Zoide7777 | time to update: |
| 15:00:28 | Zoide7777 | "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players. It runs on a number of different models..." |
| 15:00:36 | amiconn | (1<<19) means 1.0 |
| 15:00:49 | LinusN | the rockbox logo has the wrong colors though... |
| 15:00:54 | Jungti1234 | hehehehe |
| 15:00:59 | linuxstb | LinusN: Congratulations. |
| 15:01:04 | B4gder | LinusN: odd |
| 15:01:09 | * | preglow does the new target dance! |
| 15:01:11 | B4gder | bad tables? |
| 15:01:12 | LinusN | i guess it's because it's for the ipod |
| 15:01:18 | B4gder | ah |
| 15:01:48 | amiconn | The >>10 and <<9 in the second formula are there to avoid overflows |
| 15:01:56 | preglow | amiconn: i'm mostly wondering about the part with the division, but i guess you explained that now |
| 15:02:04 | preglow | yes |
| 15:02:14 | amiconn | (and the net effect of an additional /2 ) |
| 15:02:27 | preglow | but yeah, it more or less works now |
| 15:02:34 | preglow | i just need to hook it into the rest of rockbox |
| 15:02:36 | preglow | it's really bloody nasty |
| 15:02:43 | amiconn | Ah, no, in fact that sums up to a total <<19 |
| 15:02:49 | | Part ironi_ |
| 15:03:49 | LinusN | hmmm, how do we solve the logo issue? |
| 15:03:49 | linuxstb | LinusN: The logos are converted with bmp2rb - and configure is using -f 4 for the iaudio x5 (same as H300) |
| 15:03:52 | B4gder | LinusN: it should be h3x0 style, if I read the configure correctly |
| 15:04:14 | B4gder | and the driver assumes h3x0 style |
| 15:04:38 | * | B4gder was slower than linuxstb |
| 15:04:43 | LinusN | ok, so it must be something else |
| 15:05:07 | amiconn | Perhaps the 16->18 bit conversion has a bug? |
| 15:05:35 | amiconn | Btw, someone should change the USB logo into a BMP. |
| 15:05:35 | LinusN | could be |
| 15:05:46 | B4gder | LinusN: make a "test logo" with some clear R G B to identify the color problem easier |
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| 15:06:46 | preglow | amiconn: in straight numbers the formulas are as follows, right?: straight = (1 + width)/2 for width <= 1.0, 1.0 for width > 1.0 cross = -straight + width for width <= 1.0, -(2*x/(1 + x) - 1) for width > 1.0 |
| 15:07:05 | XavierGr | wow Linus! Gongrats man! |
| 15:07:06 | amiconn | LinusN: Take a screenshot of the logo on target. If the BMP has the correct colours, it must be the 16->18 bit conversion |
| 15:07:24 | B4gder | good idea! |
| 15:07:39 | amiconn | (since screenshot works from framebuffer) |
| 15:07:40 | * | XavierGr dances the "Gentlemen-we-will-soon-have-sound-dance"! |
| 15:07:56 | B4gder | XavierGr: we don't yet :-) |
| 15:07:56 | amiconn | preglow: No. |
| 15:08:12 | B4gder | ah, it says "soon" in there |
| 15:08:27 | B4gder | hubbel said he'd work on the sound for x5 |
| 15:08:28 | LinusN | can't take screenshots just yet, it thinks usb is active :-) |
| 15:09:00 | amiconn | I'll try to pull the original formula from my fp stuff. It seems you made a mistake when reversing the sign |
| 15:09:16 | Moos | B4gder: that sound like a really good news |
| 15:09:25 | amiconn | LinusN: Just add a call to screendump() after displaying the logo in main.c |
| 15:09:50 | Jungti1234 | How do I make bootloader the 'exe'? |
| 15:09:56 | preglow | amiconn: which part is not right? |
| 15:10:07 | preglow | amiconn: and keep in mind i'm not compensating for mas weirdness |
| 15:10:22 | Moos | Jungti1234: just wait a bit, you will know once you will |
| 15:10:23 | amiconn | I know |
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| 15:10:46 | Moos | Jungti1234: +can |
| 15:10:51 | Zoide7777 | Hey, could the same type of code that runs the oscilloscope (which kicks ass btw) be used to create a visualization like the one in Winamp? (bars that rise and fall for each frequency range, but the whole thing stays in one place instead of moving across the screen) |
| 15:10:52 | Jungti1234 | um? |
| 15:11:29 | preglow | Zoide7777: no |
| 15:11:34 | preglow | Zoide7777: you'd need additional dsp code |
| 15:11:51 | Jungti1234 | Moos: I just curious. |
| 15:11:57 | preglow | Zoide7777: it's more or less something completely different, only thing they have in common is the fact that they draw to the screen |
| 15:12:13 | Jungti1234 | I -> I'm |
| 15:12:13 | amiconn | LinusN: You can scrap out lcd_roll() from lcd-x5.c |
| 15:12:33 | Moos | Moos: I'm unpatient to boot Rockbox on my X5 too, let's hope in LinusN :-) |
| 15:12:52 | Moos | @Jungti |
| 15:13:02 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 15:13:03 | Bg3r | Moos so unpatient so u started talking with yourself ? ;) |
| 15:13:11 | Jungti1234 | hahaha :D |
| 15:13:18 | Moos | haha /D |
| 15:13:58 | Zoide7777 | preglow: Really?? I mean, of course I believe you, but I'm very surprised b/c it seems that, if anything, the Oscilloscope plugin is much more "advanced" |
| 15:14:55 | Zoide7777 | just in case, i mean something like this: http://lightning.prohosting.com/~initium/cgi-bin/winamp.gif |
| 15:17:23 | preglow | Zoide7777: the other way around, the spectrum view requires either an fft (most commong) or a filter bank for doing what it does |
| 15:17:30 | preglow | all the oscilloscope does it draw some samples to the screen |
| 15:18:24 | Zoide7777 | preglow: you mean oscilloscope just draws amplitude? |
| 15:18:31 | preglow | Zoide7777: yes |
| 15:18:38 | Zoide7777 | ah ok |
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| 15:19:12 | midkay | Zoide7777? |
| 15:19:27 | Zoide7777 | midkay: yeeees? :D |
| 15:20:12 | * | LinusN is browsing files on x5 |
| 15:20:40 | midkay | haha. hey. :) about the pitch screen.. i committed an update last night that "enables" it for the ipods, but it's just not yet accessible - i only need to add it to the menus. |
| 15:20:50 | Zoide7777 | preglow: Now, what really surprises me is that the peakmeters seem to be just as demanding or even *more* demanding on the cpu than the oscilloscope! |
| 15:20:52 | midkay | so it should be done by the end of today.. |
| 15:21:12 | * | XavierGr sighs as he rememobers Linus'es Screenshot from his open H100 showing his music folders.... |
| 15:21:25 | Zoide7777 | midkay: ok, thanks a lot! I must tell you that it's an *awesome* feature imo |
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| 15:21:49 | Moos | LinusN: wee ! |
| 15:22:04 | XavierGr | oops |
| 15:22:06 | LinusN | something is definitely fishy with the lcd driver |
| 15:22:14 | preglow | http://bjorn.haxx.se/iriver_display.jpg <- that one? |
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| 15:22:24 | Zoide7777 | midkay: I was also discussing the idea of scratching with the scroll wheel (like DJs w/ vinyl).... :D |
| 15:22:25 | amiconn | preglow: Your formulas are actually right (if replacing x with 'width' as well), just written in an unusual way |
| 15:22:52 | XavierGr | preglow: Yes! |
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| 15:23:28 | XavierGr | I wonder what this little resistor does! |
| 15:23:38 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i do tend to have a more mathematical viewpoint on things like this, x should be width, yes |
| 15:23:38 | midkay | Zoide7777, :) one thing.. Linus suggested not having it in sound settings, calling it more of a playback setting - after sleeping, i'm finding myself in agreement - it should show up in the context menu in the WPS |
| 15:23:57 | Zoide7777 | midkay: makes perfect sense to me too |
| 15:24:20 | preglow | amiconn: but apart from that, those formulae look very much like your code to me, i more or less just wrote them straight down looking at the code |
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| 15:24:38 | midkay | Zoide7777, that makes it a lot easier to do.. so yeah, expect it.. within.. about 12 hours. :) |
| 15:24:51 | amiconn | preglow: Your formulas have the sign already reversed, but not taken advantage of reordering |
| 15:24:53 | bobTHC | :) |
| 15:25:01 | preglow | amiconn: they're ordered like the code :-) |
| 15:25:23 | amiconn | like I would rewrite cross = -straight + width into cross = width - straight |
| 15:25:32 | preglow | amiconn: sure, and i'll do that too, when i code it |
| 15:25:33 | Zoide7777 | midkay: BTW, is there any reorganization of Rockbox menus planned? I think that, in general, they're a bit disorganized. For example, The main screen has "Sound Settings", "General Settings", "Manage Settings", "Playlist Options" |
| 15:25:53 | preglow | i think we should have a serious look at the rockbox menu structure for 3.1 |
| 15:26:02 | preglow | there's a lot of potential for improvement |
| 15:26:07 | Zoide7777 | midkay: it seems to me it would be better to have a "Settings" section and in it have "Sound", "Playlist", "Load/Save" or something like that |
| 15:26:14 | Zoide7777 | preglow: yeah |
| 15:26:42 | midkay | Zoide7777, it's not specifically planned or anything.. but it could be improved, i think.. |
| 15:26:57 | midkay | i do think sound settings should be outside the other settings for quick access.. |
| 15:27:07 | Zoide7777 | midkay: don't hurry too much w/ the pitch screen :) it's not like i'm hiring out the devs or anything hehe |
| 15:27:19 | B4gder | LinusN: ok, feel free to blame my crappy script ;-) |
| 15:27:33 | midkay | Zoide7777, they'll do it if i don't quickly! :) nah, it's just a few lines of code in a file.. |
| 15:27:40 | LinusN | i always blame your crappy scripts |
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| 15:28:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Is there a datasheet accessible for the x5 lcd? |
| 15:29:04 | LinusN | amiconn: Renesas HD66773R |
| 15:29:08 | LinusN | it's in the wiki |
| 15:29:34 | preglow | B4gder: nice to see some work on langv2, btw |
| 15:29:52 | Bg3r | so, the button rework isn't planned for v3.0 ? |
| 15:30:12 | B4gder | I'm doing the light version of v2 to start with |
| 15:30:21 | B4gder | i.e not for plugins |
| 15:30:26 | preglow | which should be ample |
| 15:30:41 | Zoide7777 | the scroll wheel doesn't quite work in the ID3 info screen |
| 15:30:42 | preglow | as long as the button assignments are correct in main rockbox, all shall be well |
| 15:30:51 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:30:52 | Zoide7777 | you have to scroll a lot just to move a little |
| 15:32:53 | Zoide7777 | weird.... i'm pretty sure that Xobox thinks a bouncing ball crashed with me even though it only touched the trail behind me |
| 15:32:58 | amiconn | LinusN: Perhaps BGR versus RGB, or trhe order of the 2 16bit writes? |
| 15:34:06 | Zoide7777 | (maybe it was just my brain that was too slow to react hehe) |
| 15:34:16 | LinusN | amiconn: maybe |
| 15:34:17 | B4gder | LinusN: btw, we should probably include the actual table-generating perl script as a comment in the lcd driver, could be useful when trying to understand the tables |
| 15:34:25 | LinusN | B4gder: yes |
| 15:35:14 | * | amiconn has a table-generating C program |
| 15:35:37 | amiconn | ..for the greyscale->RGB values in xlcd_gray_bitmap() |
| 15:35:42 | B4gder | seems overkill to do such simple tables with a C program ;-) |
| 15:36:09 | preglow | it is, especially when the alternative is perl, sweet perl |
| 15:36:50 | midkay | bbl.. |
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| 15:40:12 | XavierGr | does anyone know how to mount the physical disk of vmware on windows? If that is possible of course |
| 15:41:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 15:42:02 | Jungti1234 | Paprica? |
| 15:43:09 | Zoide7777 | ok, now I am very sure |
| 15:43:14 | Zoide7777 | the crash detection in Xobox is not working quite right |
| 15:43:27 | Zoide7777 | it thinks that a ball crashed with me even though it didn't |
| 15:43:38 | Zoide7777 | it only seemed to "crash" with the ghostly trail behind my moving square |
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| 15:44:13 | Slasheri | maybe that is the idea.. little more challenge :) |
| 15:44:20 | Zoide7777 | hehe maybe |
| 15:44:32 | Zoide7777 | oh Slasheri btw, how's tagcache going |
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| 15:45:06 | Paprica | Jungti1234, yes? |
| 15:45:40 | Slasheri | it will be ready when next version of rockbox is released. at least i will try to have some time to do that |
| 15:45:51 | Zoide7777 | ok thanks |
| 15:46:34 | Jungti1234 | Paprica: I have idea |
| 15:47:19 | * | B4gder got a svenska.lng file output using v2 |
| 15:47:31 | Paprica | Jungti1234... |
| 15:47:41 | XavierGr | http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vdk.html |
| 15:47:55 | XavierGr | for anyone that want to mount a vdk image vmware disk on windows |
| 15:48:07 | Moos | B4gder: Congratulations |
| 15:48:23 | B4gder | there's actually only one script left to do now |
| 15:48:55 | B4gder | and that is the trickiest one |
| 15:49:21 | preglow | Slasheri: some time for debugging would be nice too, unless it's bug free, of course ;) |
| 15:50:03 | amiconn | B4gder: pls don't commit v2 until I committed my .lang rework |
| 15:50:09 | B4gder | oh no |
| 15:50:11 | amiconn | I'll work on that tonight, I promise... |
| 15:50:32 | B4gder | amiconn: I'll give you all the time you need, I'm not rushing this |
| 15:50:51 | Bg3r | XavierGr "VDK is a disk driver, not a file system driver, therefore you can only access partitions which your Windows host can recognize. For example, you cannot access ext2 partitions on virtual drives unless you have a 3rd party ext2 file system driver installed on your Windows system." |
| 15:51:08 | amiconn | XavierGr: You can also share a folder from within the vm (with samba if it's linux) and access this share from the host |
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| 15:51:57 | amiconn | Accessing the vmdk file while the vm is running is dangerous. |
| 15:53:52 | XavierGr | amiconn I know that. I just wnat to edit my files even when VMware is not running |
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| 15:57:18 | preglow | Rockbox for the Archos Studio and Player models features MP3 playback that, to many users, sounds considerably better than the standard Archos firmware. <- how is this possible on a hwcodec platform? |
| 15:57:39 | B4gder | Archos messed up |
| 15:58:02 | B4gder | there's background noise in the original firmware |
| 15:58:06 | preglow | from what? |
| 15:58:09 | Bg3r | LinusN while working on something LCD related, why don't you take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4817 , the last attachment |
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| 15:59:06 | B4gder | preglow: I'm not sure we ever found out exactly why, we just noticed that Rockbox doesn't have it and the original has and we never researched it fully. At least I can't remember any definite explanation. |
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| 16:00:05 | LinusN | Bg3r: i think we'll wait with that until the viewport overhaul |
| 16:00:18 | XavierGr | strange. I logged once from windows into the VMware machine. Start->Run-> \\debian. Then I entered my username and password. But now I want to log in as root. How can I change the login info? |
| 16:00:51 | B4gder | you run 'su' in your linux terminal |
| 16:00:56 | Bg3r | LinusN won't this simplify the things ? |
| 16:01:10 | | Part Nibbler ("leaving") |
| 16:01:15 | LinusN | yes, but not until we want to do the actual work |
| 16:01:16 | XavierGr | Bagder but this won't allow me to see the files from Windows |
| 16:01:37 | B4gder | eh?! |
| 16:01:44 | B4gder | if you use su or not? |
| 16:02:14 | B4gder | you lost me there |
| 16:02:23 | XavierGr | Start->Run-> \\debian I can see the files that I have permission not the root ones. |
| 16:02:45 | B4gder | you explain very tiny snippets |
| 16:02:48 | XavierGr | I know I can see the files within VMware but I don't have a GUI there |
| 16:02:52 | B4gder | I have no idea what kind of setup you have |
| 16:02:54 | Paprica | Mikachu, the color changes for tetrox is very ugly @@ |
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| 16:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: He's accessing it via Samba, and he's told windows to login as user/rockbox, so he cannot see the other files |
| 16:03:45 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 16:04:00 | XavierGr | now I want to log in as root. But I can'tfind an option to enter the login screen again. |
| 16:04:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has no clue, just speaks "tiny snippets" fairly well. |
| 16:05:20 | * | B4gder sits down and tries to write perl instead |
| 16:05:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 16:05:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Why do you need to create files as su? |
| 16:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: You shouldn't need to be su for anything specifically related to rockbox development... |
| 16:06:03 | XavierGr | I want to change my profile to insert my aliases. /etc/profile |
| 16:07:23 | bobTHC | use a telnet or ssh session |
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| 16:09:19 | bluebrother^ | how about ~/.profile? |
| 16:09:24 | XavierGr | ack I pressed logoff into cmd and Windows restarted! :) |
| 16:09:36 | bobTHC | lol |
| 16:09:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | .bash_profile rather? |
| 16:09:59 | Kummer | it's not just the archos. I noticed that ipods (well, my ipod at least) has a lot less background hiss on rockbox than on the original firmware |
| 16:10:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kummer: But it still has the volume tick that drove me nuts. |
| 16:10:47 | Kummer | volume tick? on ipod nano? |
| 16:10:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 16:11:09 | Kummer | I didn't notice anything |
| 16:11:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dammit |
| 16:11:15 | Jungti1234 | Paprica! |
| 16:11:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Listen at low volumes |
| 16:11:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Please tell me you hear it |
| 16:11:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because I'm gonna be angry if mine really *is* defective |
| 16:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angry and vindictive. |
| 16:11:41 | Kummer | I've run it down to mute, nothing. And I use in-ear isolation headphones. |
| 16:12:03 | cs_weasel | trying here too, can't here it on my 2 gig nano |
| 16:12:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kummer: I can hear it with Senn PX100s pretty well on some songs. |
| 16:12:27 | Kummer | if the song matters, gimme one of the songs :P |
| 16:12:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me see if I can reproduce |
| 16:12:48 | XavierGr | Paul I can hear colume ticks on both H300 and H100 on both firmwares. |
| 16:12:55 | XavierGr | Guess it is normal on some devices |
| 16:13:00 | XavierGr | ^volume |
| 16:13:08 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060322-000151.png |
| 16:13:13 | Jungti1234 | how about it? |
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| 16:14:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kummer: Of course now I can't seem to trigger it. If I find it again, I'll make note of the song. |
| 16:14:18 | XavierGr | Paul: Thanks about telling me that there is .bash_profile for each user |
| 16:14:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kummer: When I took it to the Apple store, they couldn't reproduce it either, and told me if it was too quiet for them to hear, it was "within tolerance" and therefor my Nano was fine. |
| 16:15:11 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 16:15:14 | Kummer | well maybe you could describe it so that I (we) know what to listen for |
| 16:15:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kummer: It's just a faint click for every increment of the volume. So going from 55 to 45, you'd hear 10 of 'em. |
| 16:16:11 | XavierGr | Paul: Exactly what I get. |
| 16:16:31 | Kummer | hm, sounds like a feature, not a bug. I _want_ some feedback when the volume changes. |
| 16:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nah, this is definitely in the "unintentional" category |
| 16:16:48 | XavierGr | oh come on you can't be serious |
| 16:17:02 | XavierGr | it is a definite hardware design flaw |
| 16:17:13 | Kummer | I am serious (I think?). It's not like I change volume very frequently in normal listening. |
| 16:17:28 | XavierGr | well yes it is not so annoying |
| 16:17:33 | XavierGr | but it is a flaw |
| 16:17:44 | Kummer | it's a flaw if you can't turn it off :P |
| 16:17:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I can't get my iPod to do it right now anyway. |
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| 16:17:54 | XavierGr | I couldn't expect to listen to it on both H300 and H100 |
| 16:17:59 | XavierGr | and now iPod |
| 16:18:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | My iRiver's never done anything like it, except the remote-ticking, which has a known flaw at its cause anyway |
| 16:18:15 | amiconn | XavierGr: If you want to change the user info a windows machine uses to connect to a share, you can do so by first disconnecting the network drive |
| 16:18:17 | XavierGr | no no remote ticking |
| 16:18:26 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 16:18:41 | amiconn | There is a network drive assigned (with no drive letter) even if you just connected to the UNC path |
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| 16:19:49 | amiconn | In explorer menu: Tools->Disconnect network drive |
| 16:20:14 | * | Paul_The_Nerd looks at a picture of an X5 and realizes it's clearly made for right-handed people, or left handers with very very long thumbs. |
| 16:21:06 | B4gder | right-handed with very short thumbs it is ;-) |
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| 16:21:09 | * | Moos is right-handed, but always use is left hand for both iriver and X5 :) |
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| 16:22:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't held it, but it looks like it'd be awkward to use your left thumb for it. |
| 16:22:19 | Kummer | it makes sense to use your left hand. You want your dominant hand free for more complicated tasks than simply operating an mp3 player |
| 16:22:41 | amiconn | I held it, and I'd say it's made for left handed people, or right handed with ultra-short thumbs |
| 16:22:56 | Moos | Paul: the X5 is tiny, you are not need long thumbs, it's just one visual effect cause the picture |
| 16:23:08 | Moos | amiconn: haha :D |
| 16:23:21 | amiconn | Maybe koreans have short thumbs... |
| 16:23:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll admit I have no size reference |
| 16:23:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I have huge hands. (I like the old Large-style Xbox controllers) |
| 16:23:59 | Moos | :-) |
| 16:24:20 | XavierGr | can I put on bash_profile my own functions? |
| 16:24:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I have no incentive to get an X5 anyway. I think I'm just not a fan of asymmetrical designs. |
| 16:25:02 | XavierGr | because I got an error when I logged on linux. Saying that my profile can't understand a specific line I wrote. But it worked fine in /etc/profile in cygwin |
| 16:25:03 | bobTHC | XavierGr > for u're connection trouble u can try that > http://www.home.zonnet.nl/lothian/NetworkDriveManager/NetworkDriveManager.1.6.beta.03.zip |
| 16:25:17 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: the x5's biggest benefit is its form factor |
| 16:25:28 | B4gder | compared to the h3x0 that is |
| 16:26:19 | Moos | indeed |
| 16:27:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: Well, I don't have an h3x0 either, though I hear they're very similar in size to an h1x0 anyway |
| 16:27:29 | B4gder | yes they are |
| 16:27:29 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd they are a little bigger afaik |
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| 16:28:57 | preglow | hmm |
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| 16:38:23 | amiconn | Bg3r: Shouldn't the jewels highscore file also be renamed to jewels.highscore? |
| 16:39:45 | XavierGr | oh noooo |
| 16:39:54 | XavierGr | I deleted my profile |
| 16:40:23 | XavierGr | I tried to append data to etc/profile but my vi knowledge made me delete everything there |
| 16:40:42 | XavierGr | now I will have to start over. |
| 16:41:51 | bobTHC | hehe :wq |
| 16:41:54 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 16:42:46 | XavierGr | that's why I want to see all linux files within windows |
| 16:42:56 | * | Paul_The_Nerd waits for reports to flood in on the 'bug' that sound doesn't play on X5. |
| 16:43:17 | * | B4gder nods |
| 16:43:30 | B4gder | we've opened the gates |
| 16:43:34 | XavierGr | Bger: nice ownership! :) |
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| 16:44:26 | skwad_ | hi |
| 16:45:54 | XavierGr | bye all! |
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| 16:50:30 | skwad_ | just a question : do I need a patch to flash the rockbox firmware like h300 or do I just need to send the .iaudio in the firmware folder ? it's for x5 |
| 16:51:21 | Moos | skwad: nothing to flash yet |
| 16:53:44 | B4gder | skwad_: when things work, you need to flash the x5 like you do when you upgrade x5 firmware |
| 16:53:57 | B4gder | then put the rockbox zip on the player |
| 16:54:02 | B4gder | unzip it I mean |
| 16:54:08 | skwad_ | ok no problem |
| 16:54:32 | skwad_ | I just thought we would have to patch like h300 |
| 16:54:49 | B4gder | we should probably do that later on |
| 16:54:56 | B4gder | but there's no such procedure just yet |
| 16:55:11 | B4gder | the x5 has a more hacker-friendly upgrade procedure |
| 16:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, X5 won't support dual boot for the moment? You just replace it with rockbox, for the time being? |
| 16:56:28 | B4gder | yes |
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| 16:56:35 | B4gder | or rather with the bootloader |
| 16:56:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, yeah |
| 16:56:55 | B4gder | since we can always come back to the original upgrade procedure |
| 16:57:22 | B4gder | so for the moment it'll work for us |
| 16:58:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does the CVS bootloader work? |
| 16:58:19 | B4gder | no |
| 16:58:30 | B4gder | but we're this −−-> <−−- close now |
| 16:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 16:59:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no x5, but I'm trying to prep myself in case people ask when more knowledgeable folk aren't around |
| 16:59:21 | B4gder | LinusN has booted rockbox on it |
| 16:59:39 | B4gder | and browsing files etc works |
| 16:59:48 | skwad_ | you surely will need that paul_the_nerd ^^ |
| 16:59:58 | skwad_ | ok thx for all this informations |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:02 | skwad_ | have to go |
| 17:00:05 | skwad_ | ciao |
| 17:00:46 | amiconn | B4gder: If the X5 is so brick-safe, I would prefer seeing rockbox in flash for decent boot times |
| 17:01:06 | amiconn | That's one of the annoying things about iriver rockbox... |
| 17:01:10 | preglow | "annoying" |
| 17:01:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:01:21 | preglow | i think it boots more than fast enough |
| 17:01:27 | preglow | couple of seconds and it's on |
| 17:01:36 | amiconn | Boots are never fast enough unless they're instant |
| 17:01:47 | B4gder | hehe |
| 17:01:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know at least one person who doesn't think the boots are fast enough |
| 17:02:08 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: he must have loved the iriver firmware, then |
| 17:02:18 | Hansmaulwurf | little problem: I try to add a album, lets call it "B" to an existing playlist called "A". at the moment song 5 of album "A" is playing. now if i at "B" to "A" as "next song". the first song of "B", which should be played right after song 5 of album "A" is replaced by song6 of album "B". |
| 17:02:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | He wanted the bootloader to pass a press of the play/pause into Rockbox itself, so that one could resume playback without having to wait for Rockbox to finish booting to press the key, but didn't want to use the "Resume on Boot" feature |
| 17:02:42 | Hansmaulwurf | that sucks a bit |
| 17:02:46 | Hansmaulwurf | is this bug known? |
| 17:02:54 | Hansmaulwurf | happens every time i try it |
| 17:03:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: Does song 5 of B get added to the playlist at all? For example, are 1-5 appended after 6-x? |
| 17:05:02 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: That's in fact the good thing with rockbox in flash. You can press the resume button right after switching on the unit, and rockbox will catch it |
| 17:05:14 | amiconn | Very convenient, works on (flashable) archoses |
| 17:06:06 | Hansmaulwurf | yes, in my example, after adding playist "B", my playlist looks like : song1 - 5 of playlist "A", song6 of playlist "B", song 2 - 12 of playlist "B"(the rest of the whole album "B), then playlist continues with album "A" |
| 17:06:08 | amiconn | On iriver one has to wait until the bootloader finally decided to load rockbox, found it on disk, loaded it... |
| 17:06:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Oh, I'm not against Rockbox in flash in any way. Though I'm content with the current iRiver method just because I'm a very patient person. |
| 17:06:50 | Hansmaulwurf | understand it Paul_The_Nerd? |
| 17:06:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: Oh, so it's only one song out of place. |
| 17:06:56 | Hansmaulwurf | yes |
| 17:07:10 | Hansmaulwurf | i can reproduce the bug with every album i add |
| 17:08:30 | Hansmaulwurf | using H120, version from yesterday |
| 17:09:09 | Hansmaulwurf | i dont know who long the bug exists, but some weeks ago it didnt exist |
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| 17:11:27 | Mikachu | Paprica: the gray? |
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| 17:11:41 | Paprica | yep |
| 17:11:42 | Mikachu | Paprica: the other changes should just be a swap of the square and the S |
| 17:14:04 | Mikachu | we can compromise, keep the color on T if you want :) |
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| 17:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The last two changes to playlist.c were the 5th and 9th of Feb. Could it have been that long? |
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| 17:15:30 | Hansmaulwurf | could be |
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| 17:16:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu, Paprica: I think using the dark gray for the pieces makes it a bit difficult to see clearly on the H120. I mean, you can see it clearly, but it feels straining. |
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| 17:16:36 | Mikachu | i only changed it for color targets |
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| 17:17:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I was just talking in general, since I wasn't sure who picked that originally |
| 17:18:35 | Paprica | Mikachu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrominoes_letter_oriented.png |
| 17:18:47 | Mikachu | sure |
| 17:18:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: I'm not really sure where to look to fix this, but either way, have you filed a bug report? |
| 17:19:01 | Paprica | i will change the T to brighter gray |
| 17:19:16 | Hansmaulwurf | no Paul_The_Nerd, coz i was first asking if the bug is known |
| 17:19:18 | Paprica | ok? =] |
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| 17:19:42 | Hansmaulwurf | and second i have very strange settings, im playing with them at the moment |
| 17:19:48 | Hansmaulwurf | maybe its not playlist.c |
| 17:21:29 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 17:21:29 | NJoin | markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) |
| 17:22:08 | Mikachu | Paprica: ah yes, those are the exact colors i had in my old tetris |
| 17:22:17 | Paprica | =] |
| 17:22:19 | Mikachu | Paprica: so that would be great |
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| 17:37:11 | tucoz | fun, I found the original tetris. http://vadim.www.media.mit.edu/tetris.exe |
| 17:37:30 | tucoz | from http://vadim.www.media.mit.edu/Tetris.htm |
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| 17:38:18 | Mikachu | the original tetris is for the nes |
| 17:38:36 | Mikachu | i think |
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| 17:46:13 | Mikachu | amiconn: don't know if you saw but i didn't fix the bug after all :P |
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| 17:53:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes I just don't want to respond to people in the forums... 'I use the european version of Rockbox, v 1.65' *sigh* |
| 17:53:28 | Mikachu | uh? |
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| 17:55:12 | Mikachu | phaedrus961: you probably know this already but if you scroll to the right in your viewer, the characters are still cut off mid-byte |
| 17:55:31 | Mikachu | phaedrus961: but other than that it is better than before |
| 17:56:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Someone said they have the the European version of Rockbox. Really they have 1.65eu iRiver firmware, but I have to wonder how many people still think that since you "patch" stock firmware, that Rockbox is a mod rather than its own fw. |
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| 17:58:16 | Mikachu | ah |
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| 18:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hey, can someone like Bagder sticky the Rockbox 3.0 release schedule in the General forum? It seems like it'd be a good idea. ;-) |
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| 18:21:54 | bobTHC | some infos about crossfading and mixing -> http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4985/mixnfad2xl.jpg |
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| 18:22:27 | bobTHC | if someone can add it to the wiki, it will be nice.... |
| 18:22:51 | nobelium- | very nice yeah :) |
| 18:22:59 | nobelium- | btw, what is crossfeed (not crossfade) |
| 18:23:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | bobTHC: You can't add to the wiki? |
| 18:24:02 | bobTHC | :) |
| 18:24:06 | bobTHC | nah sorry |
| 18:24:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not? |
| 18:26:25 | Febs | nobelium, look at this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu#Crossfeed |
| 18:26:43 | nobelium- | thanks Febs |
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| 18:27:17 | dpro | hi |
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| 18:29:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hello dpro |
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| 18:31:04 | dpro | hi paul ... I'm currently toying with the idea of putting rockbox on my flatmates nano ... do you by any chance know how much space arm xedv gcc + rockbox cvs will approx. need ? (my powerbook's disk is _totally_ full, but I could rm some movies ;) |
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| 18:31:42 | safetydan | dpro, you don't need to compile it to install it |
| 18:31:46 | crashd | dpro: about 30/40mb |
| 18:31:46 | dpro | ... then again there should be some space on my asus wireless disk thingie ... |
| 18:31:50 | crashd | but as safetydan says... |
| 18:31:54 | safetydan | unless you plan on adding your own patches |
| 18:31:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: Honestly, no clue. I have the whole toolchain set up with source, so it's quite big for me. But yeah, you don't need to compile to install it. |
| 18:32:02 | dpro | but what if I want to ;) |
| 18:32:11 | dpro | I have a few hacks in mind ... |
| 18:32:14 | Mikachu | my ipod-chain/ dir is 20M |
| 18:32:17 | crashd | iirc, the binaries are about 20mb in size, but i could be ludicrously out |
| 18:32:24 | Mikachu | crashd: good guess |
| 18:32:28 | crashd | heh |
| 18:32:35 | crashd | i seem to remember the arm toolchain being 24mb or something |
| 18:32:41 | crashd | amazing what cruft your mind keeps |
| 18:32:50 | safetydan | wow... 53 meg for arm crosscompiler on i386 |
| 18:33:08 | dpro | I even need to compile gcc (I'm on debian ppc ..., but there's a arm-7 gcc for gameboy advance lying around somewhere on my disk anyway) |
| 18:33:37 | dpro | probably just a matter of changing target and linkscript ? |
| 18:34:45 | dpro | hell I'll put the stuff on the ipod, there's still a gig free space ;) |
| 18:35:41 | Mikachu | that version is probably too old anyway |
| 18:35:46 | dpro | but from what I gather ~0.5 gig should do the trick |
| 18:36:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, less than that probabl |
| 18:36:04 | bobTHC | ezly |
| 18:36:16 | dpro | paul: excellent! |
| 18:37:10 | dpro | I have that much on my backup partition ... what gcc is recommended ? |
| 18:37:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: My cygwin versions of all 3 toolchains (sh1/arm/m68k) including GDB is about 330mb |
| 18:37:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: For arm, 4.0.x |
| 18:37:26 | Mikachu | dpro: it's detailed (somewhat confusingly) on the installation page |
| 18:37:42 | Mikachu | it says 3.4.x in big orange text, and further down with small print 4.0.x |
| 18:37:50 | Mikachu | (may be updated since i last looked) |
| 18:38:23 | dpro | Mikachu: hehe I knew why I'd ask here |
| 18:38:40 | Mikachu | #define VIEWER_MODE_SCROLLBAR (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_RIGHT) |
| 18:38:50 | Mikachu | how the hell are you supposed to press that on an ipod without a friend? |
| 18:39:08 | Mikachu | well, it's not so hard after all, but still a funny bind |
| 18:39:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: What does that do? |
| 18:40:21 | Mikachu | toggles the scrollbar |
| 18:40:22 | dpro | mikachu: should work for mammals with opposable thumbs and 2 hands ;) |
| 18:40:36 | Mikachu | dpro: i forgot you can press select+right with one finger |
| 18:41:11 | dpro | mikachu: but granted it's an awkward move ... |
| 18:41:13 | Mikachu | it's still pretty much hit and miss if you'll change some other setting at the same time |
| 18:41:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I personally *really* hate Left/Right and Menu/Play combos on the ipod |
| 18:41:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd much rather diagonal combos. Menu/Left, Menu/Right, etc. |
| 18:42:35 | Mikachu | well, eventually the viewer plugin should get a menu |
| 18:44:13 | Mikachu | it curretnly has 10 keybinds for the ipod (!) |
| 18:44:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just stating my distaste for them in general. I don't actually use the viewer plugin. I have a PDA with nice antialiased text and adjustable font sizes and other nice features for such purposes. :) |
| 18:44:41 | Mikachu | heh |
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| 18:45:28 | hshah | hello all |
| 18:45:57 | hshah | TiMiD: i thought you were going to add my wps into the cvs all those many months ago :p |
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| 18:49:54 | bobTHC | a little introduction to cue points -> http://www.idc.ul.ie/data/publications/13_brazil.pdf |
| 18:50:36 | hshah | i hadn't updated my rockbox in a while, and now ive done so, my volume is funny |
| 18:50:45 | safetydan | hshah, how is it funny? |
| 18:51:01 | hshah | even when changed to % it still goes between 0% and -89% regardless of the minimum and maximum ive set :( |
| 18:51:14 | safetydan | Volume is only in decibels now |
| 18:51:20 | safetydan | no percentage scale |
| 18:51:23 | hshah | bah |
| 18:51:30 | safetydan | 0 is the loudest (i.e. 0 attenuation at the amp) |
| 18:51:31 | preglow | the old percentage scale wasn't really percent anyway |
| 18:51:44 | hshah | doesn't matter what it was, it was nicer :p |
| 18:51:51 | preglow | hshah: damn, you really used an old rockbox |
| 18:51:58 | preglow | it's been months and months since we did that change |
| 18:52:06 | hshah | yeah - it was from the end of september i think |
| 18:52:28 | hshah | over the summer i updated like every day, then once at uni ive been so busy, i just didn't have the time |
| 18:52:38 | hshah | so what r the major changes since then? |
| 18:52:44 | bobTHC | lol |
| 18:52:44 | hshah | whats this party mode about? |
| 18:52:57 | safetydan | preglow, I'll be making another attempt to 0.32 format that cordic function tonight |
| 18:53:17 | safetydan | hshah, party mode let's you cue songs without any of the other controls work (i.e stop) |
| 18:53:46 | safetydan | as for other major changes, what hardware do you have? Colour support is probably the most visible change for h300 series |
| 18:54:21 | hshah | h120 |
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| 18:54:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Full parametric equalizer |
| 18:54:40 | safetydan | oh yeah, I forgot about that :) |
| 18:54:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Grayscale bitmaps in WPS |
| 18:54:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Several new games |
| 18:54:56 | dpro | party mode sounds nice, I was thinking about adding pitch change (basic resampling + linear interpolation - yeah yeah tell me cubic is better, but linear is basically a add and a shift) |
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| 18:55:14 | safetydan | dpro, there's already a pitch changer |
| 18:55:18 | dpro | really ? |
| 18:55:23 | dpro | excellent ... |
| 18:55:28 | hshah | interesting interesting... will have a look at all these features later |
| 18:55:31 | dpro | sorry I'm totally new to this |
| 18:55:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Man that *really* needs to go into the menu so people know it exists. |
| 18:55:44 | bobTHC | dpro, changing pitch affect tone |
| 18:55:59 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, the speed/pitch thing? |
| 18:56:11 | dpro | so what |
| 18:56:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Yeah |
| 18:56:20 | dpro | bobTHC: so it does on a turntable |
| 18:56:40 | bobTHC | not really, test it |
| 18:56:48 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: gray? color works too |
| 18:56:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Color doesn't do much on an H120 |
| 18:57:06 | Mikachu | ah |
| 18:57:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;-) |
| 18:57:22 | dpro | can't at the moment, but basically you might refer to unwanted lowpoass sampling due to the lack of interpolation when pitching/slowing down ? |
| 18:58:03 | preglow | dpro: that's exactly what the current pitch control does |
| 18:58:19 | dpro | preglow: what ? interpolate or not ? |
| 18:58:32 | preglow | dpro: rockbox already has a resampler (simple shitty linear interpolator), i just enable that when you use the pitch control |
| 18:58:43 | bobTHC | yep |
| 18:58:56 | dpro | preglow: ok will test this later today |
| 18:59:15 | dpro | preglow: than again with table lookup cubic should work acceptably fast |
| 18:59:20 | bobTHC | adding a good interpolator can be a good feature like on dj CD player |
| 18:59:28 | preglow | i'm planning on improving the resampler some day before 3.0 |
| 18:59:31 | safetydan | man I had to dig through the wiki to find out how to get the pitch screen up, it really isn't very obvious |
| 18:59:34 | bobTHC | :))) |
| 18:59:47 | Mikachu | why is there only linear and cubic, not square? |
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| 19:00:03 | dpro | safetydan: url (so I don't need to do the same) ? |
| 19:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: I had the slight advantage of being in the channel to see it discussed several times. ;-) |
| 19:00:08 | preglow | square is the equivalent of no interpolation |
| 19:00:17 | preglow | it's zeroeth order interpolation |
| 19:00:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: Hold Play and use volume increase/decrease |
| 19:00:22 | preglow | which is a fancy name for no interpolation |
| 19:00:24 | safetydan | dpro, on iRiver it's Power/Play + up or down |
| 19:00:32 | Mikachu | that sounds a bit strange |
| 19:00:51 | safetydan | dpro, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapIriverHSeries |
| 19:01:05 | preglow | Mikachu: i just got what you meant.. |
| 19:01:09 | merbanan | preglow: have you looked at the ffmpeg resampler ? |
| 19:01:24 | Mikachu | i've never heard of square interpolation at least |
| 19:01:25 | preglow | Mikachu: the problem with square functions is that they're not very suited to interpolating, that's more or less the reason |
| 19:01:29 | preglow | merbanan: nope |
| 19:01:35 | bobTHC | totally Mikachu, thats why a rela variable pitch |
| 19:01:39 | dpro | mikachu: there's many schemes but for audio cubic spline usually works best |
| 19:01:40 | bobTHC | real |
| 19:01:59 | preglow | for audio doing some proper resampling usually works best |
| 19:02:13 | bobTHC | it's can be done even on sh1 device with HW dsp coding |
| 19:02:15 | merbanan | preglow: it's supposed to be fast and fixedpoint |
| 19:02:20 | dpro | mikachu: lagrange is good for audio because it makes sure you hit the points exactly |
| 19:02:23 | preglow | merbanan: then i must have a look at it |
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| 19:02:51 | Mikachu | i even know what that is |
| 19:03:18 | preglow | looks like it's based on a polyphase filterban |
| 19:03:19 | preglow | k |
| 19:04:54 | amiconn | Paprica: Imho you should try the grayscale lib for tetrox on greyscale targets. That would be a real plus compared to rockblox, esp. on archos |
| 19:05:16 | amiconn | Of course that's not yet possible on the greyscale iPods |
| 19:05:38 | preglow | amiconn: would it be hard to adapt the greyscale lib now that timer.c is there? |
| 19:05:54 | preglow | that is, i don't really know if it works on pp5002 ipods yet |
| 19:06:11 | amiconn | It's quite some work b/c of the different pixel blocking |
| 19:06:27 | amiconn | I now have some iPod minis in my eBay watch list |
| 19:06:27 | Zoide7777 | preglow: don't worry about finding testers :D |
| 19:06:34 | amiconn | (silver and blue) |
| 19:07:41 | amiconn | Probably it also needs some testing on each greyscale iPod to find the LCD internal refresh rate |
| 19:08:00 | amiconn | A test plugin for that is quite simple now the timer is there |
| 19:08:04 | dpro | is diskdump in the ipod install dox simply dd for os x ? |
| 19:08:39 | * | amiconn will get his DSL speed upgrade tomorrow :) |
| 19:08:41 | Mikachu | you can use cat if you want, the problem is finding the device node in osx i think |
| 19:08:42 | Zoide7777 | amiconn: sign me up if you need someone to run it |
| 19:08:48 | amiconn | Good news for the build system... |
| 19:08:52 | Zoide7777 | amiconn: (the frequency thing) |
| 19:08:56 | bobTHC | eature and it's named : |
| 19:08:56 | bobTHC | "Variable playback speed possible without affecting pitch" |
| 19:09:05 | bobTHC | sorry bad paste |
| 19:09:11 | preglow | bobTHC: not simple |
| 19:09:17 | preglow | people request that all the time |
| 19:09:20 | bobTHC | i know |
| 19:09:25 | amiconn | preglow: Not too hard either, for mp2/mp3 |
| 19:09:39 | amiconn | Just leave out/play twice some frames |
| 19:09:42 | bobTHC | the m3po do it with a simple sh1 |
| 19:09:48 | bobTHC | and with the dac |
| 19:09:51 | amiconn | Of course the bit reservoir needs to be handled |
| 19:09:54 | bobTHC | in fact it's the dac |
| 19:10:01 | bobTHC | MAS |
| 19:10:08 | preglow | amiconn: 1) sounds like shit, 2) you can't adjust the factor, 3) that works on all codecs, really |
| 19:10:11 | bobTHC | sorry, end of the day |
| 19:10:36 | amiconn | preglow: Huh? Why shouldn't it be possible to adjust the factor? |
| 19:10:37 | dpro | Mikachu: I'm on debian so ... |
| 19:10:53 | Mikachu | dpro: then why did you ask osx? |
| 19:10:56 | amiconn | As bobTHC mentioned, the terratec m3po does it, with an SH1 |
| 19:11:05 | amiconn | ...and people say it sounds quite okay |
| 19:11:08 | bobTHC | dsp harware coding |
| 19:11:25 | preglow | there are a million ways of doing in, and i need to find a method that sounds ok and is cheapish |
| 19:11:35 | bobTHC | but we can do it by SW for other codecs |
| 19:11:41 | bobTHC | and other devices |
| 19:12:23 | amiconn | Doing it in software with pcm requires 2 transformations, too much work for our small CPUs |
| 19:12:32 | dpro | mikachu: because there are install instructions for os x and win ... neither I have |
| 19:13:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: dd if=/dev/sda1 (change for your ipod> of=bootpartition.bin |
| 19:13:11 | dpro | mikachu: and genetically osx I thought was a bit closer |
| 19:13:28 | dpro | paul: ok that's what I thought |
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| 19:14:51 | preglow | amiconn: well, yeah, you can change the factor, but it'll still sound crap |
| 19:15:10 | preglow | that's basically the cheapest way of doing time stretching |
| 19:15:30 | preglow | but we probably can't afford to depart too far from that idea |
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| 19:16:04 | dpro | preglow: but time stretching is so useless for that, simply up/downsampling with interpolation is what should be done IMO |
| 19:16:19 | preglow | dpro: that doesn't time stretch |
| 19:16:24 | amiconn | Well, I don't see the fundamental difference between this doubling/dropping frames and the 'true' way of transforming into frequency domain, stretch/squeeze, and transform back, |
| 19:16:34 | dpro | preglow: but why would you want that ? |
| 19:16:43 | preglow | amiconn: then you don't understand the math behind it very well :) |
| 19:16:49 | amiconn | except that it only works for mp2/mp3, and the granularity is a bit rough (perhaps) |
| 19:16:52 | preglow | dpro: i don't |
| 19:17:03 | dpro | preglow: ah good :) |
| 19:17:35 | merbanan | preglow: polyphase kaiser windowed sinc and blackman nuttall windowed sinc audio resample filters, thats what it is |
| 19:18:07 | preglow | amiconn: the way you speak of with the freq domain is called phase vocoding and yields drastically better results |
| 19:18:36 | * | amiconn wonders where the fundamental difference is |
| 19:18:36 | preglow | merbanan: yeah, i see |
| 19:19:12 | preglow | amiconn: the fundamental difference is that the freq domain method applies the transform smoothly across all the samples, where the block based time domain method just duplicates blocks |
| 19:19:23 | amiconn | Well, mp2 doesn't fit in this idea, but mp3 basically is audio in frequency domain |
| 19:19:55 | preglow | mp3 might work slightly better due to the lapped nature of the mdct |
| 19:19:57 | amiconn | Ah, yes, but afaik mp3 also smoothes the transitions between blocks |
| 19:20:10 | preglow | yes, what i said above |
| 19:20:38 | preglow | for mp2 you'll have nasty phase discontinuities |
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| 19:21:10 | preglow | but yeah, if i ever implement it, it'll probably be some semi-cheap psola algorithm |
| 19:21:11 | amiconn | right |
| 19:21:44 | bobTHC | :) |
| 19:21:55 | dpro | now tell me party mode can also "scratch" the buffer using the ipod's clickwheel and I really won't need the soure ;) |
| 19:22:48 | preglow | hahaha |
| 19:22:51 | preglow | that'd rock immensly |
| 19:22:52 | dpro | s/soure/source/ |
| 19:23:09 | dpro | preglow: shouldn't be all that hard, I'll definitely look into it |
| 19:23:32 | preglow | dpro: it won't sit very well with out playback system, so you probably need to do some kick-ass custom coding |
| 19:23:42 | bobTHC | party mode , is a good idea, but need, cue point system, loop system (A-B), and variable playback ;) |
| 19:23:47 | * | preglow wants optimised codecs for his birthday |
| 19:23:55 | dpro | hehe |
| 19:24:04 | dpro | preglow: when would that be then ? |
| 19:24:13 | bobTHC | tomorow ;) |
| 19:24:23 | dpro | LOL |
| 19:24:32 | dpro | next year ? |
| 19:24:40 | Zoide7777 | dpro: though as you can see in the irc logs for today/yesterday, *I* trademarked the idea of scratching with the scroll wheel :D haha |
| 19:24:40 | preglow | haha |
| 19:24:44 | preglow | june |
| 19:24:57 | merbanan | preglow: a new aac codec is in the works for ffmpeg |
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| 19:25:20 | Zoide7777 | dpro: obviously I would actually be *very* happy if someone else figures out how to do it ;P |
| 19:25:24 | dpro | Zoide: I have it in a project file dated early 2005 :P |
| 19:25:36 | Zoide7777 | dpro: awesome! |
| 19:26:00 | * | Zoide7777 suggested it in the hopes someone else would do it, cause he can't do it himself |
| 19:26:00 | dpro | but I'm not the one-click-shopping-patent type ;) |
| 19:26:15 | preglow | merbanan: for real? url? |
| 19:26:22 | dpro | zoide: it will happen I guess |
| 19:26:28 | Zoide7777 | dpro: those people should need a patent to exist!!! >:/ |
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| 19:27:31 | merbanan | preglow: it's in the works, I guess it will be posted to the devel list in a day or to, and for the beginning it will use float, but that might change |
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| 19:30:18 | bobTHC | variable speed playback is natively include in the MPEG-4 Audio standard |
| 19:32:57 | Mikachu | dpro: there aren't linux instructions? |
| 19:34:08 | dpro | mikachu: I haven't found any ... never mind I know what to do now |
| 19:34:38 | dpro | mikachu: go home get cable, go to a party while gcc is building |
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| 19:35:26 | dpro | mikachu. but first finish this stupid job here at the office installing all sorts of useless crap on someone's mac ... pecunia non olet |
| 19:35:51 | Mikachu | dpro: ah, it was so simple i didn't even notice there weren't instructions :P |
| 19:36:06 | Mikachu | (specifically for linux) |
| 19:36:28 | dpro | yeah it's all just dd |
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| 19:37:04 | dpro | I hope my flatmate isn't too puzzled when she finds her nano converted to vfat ... |
| 19:37:16 | Mikachu | haha, you don't ask? |
| 19:37:34 | dpro | nope she said she had a backup of all the tracks |
| 19:38:03 | dpro | and now it's fully loaded with days of cc licensed netmusic |
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| 19:42:21 | bobTHC | http://www.dmc.dit.ie/ditme/index.html |
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| 19:44:20 | Zoide7777 | what's the difference between chicago and nimbus? |
| 19:45:19 | crashd | dpro: heh |
| 19:45:59 | Zoide7777 | and between nimbus and xtal? |
| 19:47:10 | dpro | k, gotta surrender my network cable to the desktop box for a few updates ... cu l8r from home |
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| 20:05:49 | webguest41 | Chicago: Includes only ascii characters. Xtal-14: Extension of Chicago to include Latin-1 characters. Nimbus-12/14: Slight changes of various kinds to Xtal-14, and downsizing in the case of nimbus-12 |
| 20:05:59 | webguest41 | Not that Zoide7777 is still here, of course... |
| 20:06:19 | Mikachu | asking + quit is my favorite |
| 20:06:26 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 20:06:37 | Kyomi | I have a question about updating |
| 20:06:41 | Mikachu | i especially like join + asking + 2 minutes + quit |
| 20:06:44 | * | Kyomi promises not to leave :) |
| 20:07:02 | safetydan | Kyomi, ask away |
| 20:07:12 | webguest41 | Let me guess: "Do I need to reflash?"? |
| 20:07:18 | Kyomi | No |
| 20:07:23 | Kyomi | I saw that on the site already :P |
| 20:07:27 | webguest41 | :) |
| 20:07:50 | webguest41 | I'll shut up |
| 20:08:14 | Kyomi | My question is... when you update with the daily build for the H320... are your settings reverted back to default? Or are they saved somewhere that isn't overwritten? |
| 20:08:56 | webguest41 | They're saved in an otherwise unused sector on the harddrive |
| 20:09:10 | safetydan | Kyomi, you can also explicitly save them out to a config file |
| 20:09:15 | Kyomi | And with skinning also... I'm guessing you have to re-select the theme after update? |
| 20:09:28 | webguest41 | No, same deal |
| 20:09:59 | webguest41 | Sometimes, however, the config structure code will change, and in those cases, your settings will be reset |
| 20:10:03 | safetydan | Sometimes the settings will be reset on update due to changes int the config layout so it's good to export a config file anyway. |
| 20:10:12 | webguest41 | So saving your settings to a file is a good idea so that you can revert when that happens |
| 20:10:22 | preglow | amiconn: 0% stereo width doesn't sound very good |
| 20:10:31 | webguest41 | There's an echo in here.. |
| 20:10:42 | Kyomi | Yeah.... :P |
| 20:12:19 | safetydan | </echo> |
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| 20:20:33 | preglow | anyone here that knows how the archos stereo width and channel settings should sound like that want to test a patch for me? |
| 20:25:50 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/swcodec_channel_settings.patch |
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| 20:27:17 | webguest41 | Oooh, interesting. Don't know how they sound though, so I'm no use. |
| 20:27:28 | webguest41 | on archos |
| 20:27:33 | amiconn | preglow: What's wrong with stereo width == 0? Should sound identical to pure mono, if you made that a special case |
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| 20:28:50 | preglow | amiconn: then i have misunderstood something badly |
| 20:29:16 | preglow | amiconn: i also thought it should sound like pure mono, but it doesn't |
| 20:29:50 | preglow | at stereo width 0%, the straight factor is 0.5 and the cross factor is -0.5 with my code |
| 20:29:57 | preglow | the last should of course be 0.5 for ordinary mono |
| 20:30:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:31:09 | amiconn | Oh, and 0x7fffff << 8 is not exactly 1 |
| 20:31:39 | preglow | amiconn: not exactly, no, the last eight bits will be zero |
| 20:32:00 | preglow | amiconn: and it won't at any rate, but you can't represent a 1.0 in s0.31 fixed point |
| 20:32:02 | amiconn | Even 0x7fffffff isn't exactly 1, but that won't matter I think |
| 20:32:26 | preglow | amiconn: and i'm trying to stick to emac friendliness with no additional shifting |
| 20:33:08 | preglow | cross = width - straight; |
| 20:33:11 | preglow | that can't be correct, then |
| 20:33:24 | amiconn | For <= 100%, cross should be straight - width, not width - straight |
| 20:33:28 | preglow | yep |
| 20:33:51 | preglow | fixed it now |
| 20:33:53 | amiconn | cross needs to be 0.5 for width == 0, and 0 for width == 100 % |
| 20:33:53 | preglow | and it sounds just great |
| 20:35:22 | amiconn | Couldn't you just do the calculation in s0.31 directly, since you're already using int64_t anyway? |
| 20:35:23 | webguest41 | \o/ |
| 20:35:44 | * | safetydan curses s0.31 format |
| 20:36:15 | * | amiconn believes it doesn't matter much |
| 20:36:33 | preglow | amiconn: i guess i could, but the precision of the 1 would actually end up worse |
| 20:36:49 | amiconn | really? |
| 20:37:13 | preglow | amiconn: according to my tests, at leaszt |
| 20:37:28 | preglow | i got a one value of 0x7feff... something |
| 20:38:00 | preglow | i didn't think too hard on it |
| 20:38:10 | preglow | i don't think it's got any relevance for the sound anyway |
| 20:38:16 | amiconn | Your case SOUND_CHAN_MONO is wrong... |
| 20:38:16 | Paprica | mmm |
| 20:38:29 | preglow | amiconn: indeed it is |
| 20:38:33 | Paprica | someone could check wtf is wrong with highscore.c? |
| 20:38:40 | preglow | nice typo |
| 20:38:53 | amiconn | ..and I wonder whether using pointers instead of array addressing would be faster |
| 20:39:03 | Paprica | i try to use it, but in the save it give me some unknown chars |
| 20:39:07 | amiconn | My experience on SH1 is that it's *much* faster |
| 20:39:10 | Paprica | =\ |
| 20:39:24 | amiconn | Didn't compare that closely on coldfire yet |
| 20:39:29 | amiconn | No idea about arm |
| 20:40:17 | preglow | for arm it should have no relevance |
| 20:40:25 | preglow | the ldr and str instructions are equally fast indexed |
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| 20:41:02 | preglow | for coldfire an indexed load is 1 cycle slower than an ordinary load |
| 20:41:25 | amiconn | Well, on SH1 it depends on the momentary stupidity of gcc |
| 20:41:33 | preglow | sure, for coldfire as well |
| 20:41:46 | Zoide7777 | Hey guys I put together a Unicode (with Simplified Chinese characters) font based on Nimbus 14 |
| 20:41:47 | preglow | coldfire gcc should of course convert the indexed reads to post-incremented reads |
| 20:41:54 | amiconn | Sometimes it calculates the indexing over and over within the loop |
| 20:42:07 | amiconn | Other times it uses the indexing capability |
| 20:42:17 | preglow | amiconn: i take it you haven't gotten m68k-gcc going on amd64 yet? |
| 20:42:22 | Zoide7777 | Should I put it on the bug tracker? |
| 20:42:23 | amiconn | nope |
| 20:42:28 | preglow | god, that is annoying |
| 20:42:29 | Zoide7777 | or can i just link to it here? |
| 20:42:31 | preglow | i really like developing on this box |
| 20:42:34 | preglow | but i can only develop for arm |
| 20:42:38 | amiconn | I *could* try to compile for 32 bit and install the 32 bit libs |
| 20:42:48 | webguest41 | Zoide7777: bug tracker I think |
| 20:42:51 | preglow | i think i'll go annoy the gcc devs for a bit |
| 20:43:10 | amiconn | ...but I don't think this is a good solution |
| 20:43:12 | Zoide7777 | though bug tracker requires the non-anonymous registration... |
| 20:43:14 | safetydan | very silly question... 0xffffffff in s0.31 is... 0.0? |
| 20:43:17 | preglow | amiconn: no, it's not |
| 20:43:18 | * | safetydan is having braing trouble |
| 20:43:21 | safetydan | brain even |
| 20:43:22 | preglow | amiconn: it's probably just a stupid little bug anyway |
| 20:43:37 | amiconn | safetydan: it's -0.000<sth>1 |
| 20:43:37 | preglow | safetydan: -1 |
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| 20:43:41 | safetydan | Zoide7777, track is the best place |
| 20:43:44 | preglow | safetydan: that is, what amiconn said |
| 20:43:45 | safetydan | Zoide7777, tracker even |
| 20:44:09 | amiconn | It's -1 / (2^31) |
| 20:44:24 | preglow | safetydan: using that as an output format for the cordic? |
| 20:44:34 | amiconn | -0,0000000004656612873077392578125 |
| 20:44:35 | safetydan | preglow, attempting to |
| 20:44:37 | * | preglow pats safetydan |
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| 20:44:58 | safetydan | you people and your fixed point... we should just port one of those FPU emulators to Rockbox and be done with it... |
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| 20:45:08 | preglow | safetydan: you can use floats in rockbox |
| 20:45:13 | preglow | safetydan: it's just that it has no libm |
| 20:45:13 | amiconn | Fixed point isn't really hard |
| 20:45:20 | preglow | safetydan: and we'd really prefer to not use floats anyway... |
| 20:45:32 | Mikachu | how do floats work, emud by gcc? |
| 20:45:35 | amiconn | You just have to take care of possible overflows and precision |
| 20:45:38 | preglow | amiconn: nah, not really hard, but it always involved more thought than using floats |
| 20:45:47 | safetydan | I understand the reasons, just this makes my poor little brain hurt :) |
| 20:46:09 | preglow | amiconn: btw, aren't you overcompensating a bit when you're shifting in the division in the archos stereo width code? |
| 20:46:34 | amiconn | No |
| 20:47:16 | amiconn | The MAS format is s0.19 (20 bit) |
| 20:48:31 | amiconn | I shift the divisor 10 bits to the right, which equals shifting the result 10 bits to the left |
| 20:48:48 | amiconn | Then I also shift the result another 9 bits to the left |
| 20:48:54 | amiconn | ...for a total of 19 bits |
| 20:49:18 | preglow | riight |
| 20:49:21 | preglow | i didn't think of it that way |
| 20:49:37 | Mikachu | fixed point seems a bit like quantum mechanics |
| 20:49:37 | amiconn | This partial shifting avoids using 64 bit ints |
| 20:49:47 | Mikachu | you don't really have any idea what you're doing, but in the end the numbers add up anyway |
| 20:50:10 | amiconn | Mikachu: Imho fixed point is very different from quantum mechanics |
| 20:50:40 | amiconn | I can understand the former, but failed to understand the latter (at least the mathematics behind it) |
| 20:51:05 | Mikachu | <phi|psi> ! |
| 20:51:17 | * | Mikachu does the quantum dance (or does he?) |
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| 20:52:31 | preglow | amiconn: i just used the 64 bit version for precision, it probably won't enlarge anything anyway |
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| 20:52:37 | amiconn | preglow: Imho the not-quite 1.0 problem is why the MAS uses -1.0 |
| 20:52:45 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, probably |
| 20:52:45 | amiconn | We could do that for swcodec too |
| 20:52:59 | preglow | amiconn: but then we'll have problems when we hit 1.0 * 1.0 |
| 20:53:05 | amiconn | Doesn't really matter if we switch phase, as long as we do it in both channels |
| 20:53:31 | amiconn | hmm, true |
| 20:53:42 | * | amiconn wonders how the mas handles that |
| 20:53:49 | preglow | i think it'll cause a nasty clip or wrap for us |
| 20:53:54 | preglow | depending on emac configuration |
| 20:53:56 | preglow | for arm it'll wrap |
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| 20:54:33 | preglow | anywho |
| 20:54:40 | preglow | the problem with the almost-1 is no problem, if you ask me |
| 20:54:42 | preglow | it'll never be noticed |
| 20:54:48 | preglow | if anyone notices it, i'll eat my bloody hat |
| 20:54:52 | preglow | and i don't even have a hat |
| 20:55:04 | Mikachu | i could have a hat sent |
| 20:55:12 | preglow | as long as it's purdy |
| 20:55:20 | preglow | something with a lot of easily digestible fibers |
| 20:55:32 | Mikachu | i think under the circumstances i can promise it |
| 20:55:32 | crashd | a hat made of chocolate, perhaps ? |
| 20:55:39 | crashd | ARGH |
| 20:55:46 | crashd | must remember to stop unplugging ipod with hold switch on |
| 20:55:58 | preglow | what's wrong with that? |
| 20:56:05 | crashd | boots rockbox, with hold on |
| 20:56:08 | crashd | which clears my settings |
| 20:56:17 | preglow | ahhhhh, right :-) |
| 20:56:17 | preglow | hahah |
| 20:56:25 | crashd | pain in the ass ;) |
| 20:56:35 | Mikachu | hm |
| 20:56:42 | Mikachu | does it reboot when you just unplug it? |
| 20:56:47 | crashd | yas |
| 20:56:57 | Mikachu | mine only does if i write to partition 1 |
| 20:57:19 | Kyomi | iPod.... *cackles* |
| 20:57:23 | crashd | silence" |
| 20:57:29 | Kyomi | What you want is an iRiver ;) |
| 20:57:31 | crashd | yeah |
| 20:57:39 | crashd | only, the h3xx series and the h10 are discontinued |
| 20:57:54 | crashd | so it was either an ipod, or something else which didnt really fit my description of what i wanted |
| 20:58:25 | Kyomi | jesus |
| 20:58:28 | Kyomi | Are you serious? |
| 20:58:36 | crashd | my h10 broke |
| 20:58:44 | crashd | and i had to get a new dap from the same store |
| 20:58:48 | Kyomi | Well... i guess I'm pretty much out of luck if something breaks ;_; |
| 20:58:50 | crashd | yeah |
| 20:59:20 | Kummer | get used to it, iPod is gonna be rockbox's most popular platform in time |
| 20:59:34 | webguest38 | The ipod isn't bad, if you don't need recording or radio. |
| 20:59:38 | webguest38 | (with Rockbox, of course) |
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| 21:00:10 | Mikachu | when all 100 million with ipods use them, someone is bound to be able to code something up |
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| 21:00:17 | Mikachu | s/them/rockbox/ |
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| 21:01:35 | amiconn | preglow: Is HD read speed any different on iPod when boosted vs. when unboosted? |
| 21:03:21 | Mikachu | does he have a non-nano ipod? |
| 21:04:09 | Kyomi | But I...*HATE*.... iPod... |
| 21:04:16 | Kyomi | And mostly anything apple related |
| 21:04:17 | crashd | Mikachu: does who? |
| 21:04:27 | Kyomi | I can hardly stand having quicktime on my computer |
| 21:04:31 | crashd | Kyomi: i hate the ipod too |
| 21:04:43 | crashd | however, i cant complain when ive got 30gb of music and a stable and decent os on there |
| 21:04:46 | crashd | ie: rockbox |
| 21:04:50 | amiconn | Mikachu: He has a nano, but the nano uses an ata i/f to the flash |
| 21:04:58 | crashd | with a usable battery life, with more to come |
| 21:05:03 | Mikachu | the word HD confused me then |
| 21:05:33 | * | webguest38 sees no reason to hate the ipod |
| 21:05:34 | amiconn | s/HD/ata/ |
| 21:05:36 | webguest38 | It's hardware. If it works, use it. |
| 21:06:42 | webguest38 | And it's not like anyone's being forced at gunpoint to install Quicktime |
| 21:06:52 | * | webguest38 doesn't own an ipod |
| 21:06:56 | amiconn | I can't say I like the iPod. The form factor is nice, but it's scratchy, has this odd click wheel, and the colours are mostly crap |
| 21:07:05 | amiconn | (except the black and silver ones) |
| 21:07:08 | crashd | black is all that i need |
| 21:07:09 | crashd | heh |
| 21:07:24 | crashd | i agree, if i couldnt have got a black one, i woldnt have gone for it |
| 21:07:27 | crashd | < shallow ;\ |
| 21:07:33 | amiconn | I might still get one, with a greyscale lcd to port the lib.... |
| 21:07:41 | tucoz | amiconn, the mini is not that scratchy |
| 21:07:47 | * | amiconn is watching silver minis on eBay |
| 21:07:51 | crashd | heh |
| 21:07:58 | tucoz | oh, you turned to the dark side |
| 21:08:01 | tucoz | ;-) |
| 21:08:50 | webguest38 | Well yeah, there are some valid points against it. The scratching being pretty obvious (Video and Nano, mostly?), and the clickwheel being a matter of personal preference, but.. |
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| 21:09:33 | preglow | amiconn: i dunno, might test at some point |
| 21:09:48 | amiconn | The nano has a physically too small display for my taste, especially for its resolution |
| 21:09:49 | Kyomi | But...iPods are EXTREMELY overpriced |
| 21:10:09 | Mikachu | i won mine, would never have bought one... |
| 21:10:11 | preglow | amiconn: but ok, you think the patch looks fine then? i'll commit if so |
| 21:10:27 | amiconn | preglow: I need that info to decide what #ifdef to use for my boost-while-accessing-disk addition |
| 21:10:46 | preglow | amiconn: mok, i'll do a large file read test |
| 21:10:47 | amiconn | preglow: I think so, though I didn't try it yet |
| 21:11:08 | preglow | amiconn: it sounds like it should on ipod, i think |
| 21:11:15 | webguest38 | Kyomi: Depends how you mean.. with Rockbox, they're mostly on par with similar priced items afaik.. I agree that without it, they do too little for their price. |
| 21:11:21 | preglow | amiconn: i'll just commit it, if something is wrong, a minor fix is all there should be left to do |
| 21:12:14 | preglow | amiconn: ahh, i should probably disable the dead channel settings code in sound.c first |
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| 21:13:16 | Kyomi | Hmmm... anyone know anyhting about steven segal movies? |
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| 21:14:50 | amiconn | One build server seems to have vanished... |
| 21:15:10 | Kyomi | Anyone? |
| 21:15:10 | preglow | Kyomi: i know they're shit |
| 21:15:21 | Kyomi | I know that |
| 21:15:32 | Kyomi | But I'm trying to find an actress that was in one |
| 21:15:41 | Kyomi | I think it was out for justice but I dunno |
| 21:15:45 | preglow | the one on the boat? :> |
| 21:15:50 | amiconn | www.imdb.com should be helpful |
| 21:15:51 | Kyomi | He was in there and in some prision |
| 21:15:53 | preglow | heh |
| 21:15:54 | Kyomi | I'm already trhere |
| 21:15:55 | preglow | but yeah |
| 21:15:55 | preglow | imdb |
| 21:16:00 | Kyomi | I can't find it there |
| 21:16:05 | preglow | then it doesn't exist |
| 21:16:07 | Kyomi | I dont have enough info :( |
| 21:16:14 | Kyomi | I dunno what I'm looking for |
| 21:16:15 | preglow | and you dreamt it |
| 21:16:15 | webguest38 | preglow: Good point. |
| 21:16:17 | preglow | arghhh |
| 21:16:21 | Kyomi | I saw it |
| 21:16:26 | webguest38 | imdb knows everything. |
| 21:16:31 | preglow | there's the bloody sound callback function array that needs an entry to the function |
| 21:16:31 | webguest38 | If it's on film, it's in imdb |
| 21:16:34 | preglow | s |
| 21:16:56 | preglow | amiconn: we really need to do something about this apps/firmware thing |
| 21:16:57 | Kyomi | He was in it and was in a prison undercover to save some judge lady that got kid napped and was going to get the electric chair |
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| 21:17:18 | Kyomi | But the actress in there looked asian and the most beautiful eye makeup on |
| 21:17:27 | Kyomi | I'm trying to find a pic of it ^^; |
| 21:18:47 | preglow | i'll just let the dead code be |
| 21:18:52 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:18:55 | preglow | a nice reason to fix the problem some day |
| 21:19:11 | Kummer | Kyomi it's not clear that the iPod nano 4GB is overpriced. AFAIK all other 4GB flash-based players cost more. |
| 21:19:38 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 21:19:45 | Kyomi | Because 4GB suck :P |
| 21:19:53 | Kummer | of course one could argue that the unavailability of flash ram is due to apple buying it all up |
| 21:19:53 | Kyomi | I'm not going to downgrade from 20GB |
| 21:20:18 | * | Kyomi would rather replace the harddrive in her H320 to a 40GB :) |
| 21:20:22 | Kummer | flash is a different category, I would not compare the two with terms like upgrade/downgrade |
| 21:20:32 | Kummer | sometimes you really really need Skip Free(tm) play |
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| 21:20:54 | Kyomi | Hmm |
| 21:20:56 | * | amiconn sees a flash player as a complement for an HD player, not as a replacement, so he doesn't see it as a downgrade |
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| 21:21:31 | tucoz | Kyomi, is it this film? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0297162/photogallery |
| 21:21:35 | webguest38 | Yeah, they serve two different (but possibly overlapping) purposes |
| 21:21:47 | Kyomi | To me... getting a 4GB iPod... and before having a 20GB iRiver... yes.. that is a downgrade |
| 21:21:59 | Mikachu | You have: 2GB/(100kB per 8 second) |
| 21:22:00 | Mikachu | You want: hours |
| 21:22:00 | Mikachu | * 44.444444 |
| 21:22:06 | Kyomi | tucoz: OMG! |
| 21:22:08 | Mikachu | that's enough for me, i'm never away for more than a day :) |
| 21:22:09 | Kyomi | I LOVE YOU |
| 21:22:14 | Kyomi | Thank you sooo much ^_^ |
| 21:22:15 | tucoz | Kyomi, google loves you |
| 21:22:32 | tucoz | :) |
| 21:23:02 | Zoide7777 | Unicode Chinese font patch added! :) |
| 21:23:21 | Zoide7777 | and it's only 14 pixels, so it should be less problematic than Unifont |
| 21:23:30 | Kyomi | tucoz: How'd you find that? |
| 21:23:31 | muesli__ | cant be censored by chinese government?= ;) |
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| 21:23:44 | Kyomi | There wasn't much info to go on |
| 21:23:46 | preglow | amiconn: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/swcodec_channel_settings.patch |
| 21:24:02 | preglow | amiconn: disabled the sound.c code in hackish way, but i can't see any better ways |
| 21:24:13 | Zoide7777 | muesli_: maybe with the help of some western companies ;) |
| 21:24:25 | muesli__ | ;-)) |
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| 21:24:41 | muesli__ | business is business hohohoho |
| 21:25:14 | centos | does anyone know how long it will take rockbox to boot on an ipod 5g? |
| 21:25:42 | crashd | a second or three |
| 21:25:51 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 21:25:56 | Kyomi | It's EXTREMELY faster |
| 21:25:56 | crashd | not very long at all |
| 21:26:23 | Kyomi | Although... there was something interesting from when I switched to 1.29K from <somenumber>USA |
| 21:26:34 | Kyomi | The speed it loaded increased by like 3x |
| 21:26:34 | tucoz | Kyomi, paste this in google. And it's the first hit: prison undercover "steven seagal" judge kidnapped |
| 21:26:47 | centos | a second or three? thats really fast. :) |
| 21:27:05 | crashd | yeah, it is really fast |
| 21:27:21 | Kyomi | Awesome |
| 21:27:43 | Kyomi | I wonder why the US version of the SAME firmware didn't include video.... |
| 21:28:12 | preglow | Kyomi: patents, probably |
| 21:28:21 | preglow | Kyomi: or license issues |
| 21:28:23 | crashd | cursed video chipset |
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| 21:29:24 | Zoide7777 | arrggg.... there is a vertical alignment issue with the font I uploaded |
| 21:29:32 | Zoide7777 | well, i have to go though |
| 21:29:41 | Kyomi | Hmmm... |
| 21:29:52 | Zoide7777 | if someone wants to have a go at it, it's in the tracker (.bdf and .sfd files for Fontforge are in the .zip) |
| 21:29:54 | Zoide7777 | bye |
| 21:29:55 | Paprica | oops, unnecessary line on my last commit |
| 21:29:58 | Paprica | blah |
| 21:29:59 | * | Kyomi tries to make a Dark Crystal font from the windows one... but fails miserably |
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| 21:30:49 | Paprica | Mikachu, your patch is commited |
| 21:30:54 | Paprica | may i close ot |
| 21:30:56 | Paprica | it? |
| 21:31:14 | Paprica | i dont include the press button before new game.. |
| 21:31:36 | Paprica | and i wont commit it.. i'll make a menu... |
| 21:31:44 | Mikachu | Paprica: that part is mostly because you don't save the highscore yet, and if i want to say "omg paprica i got so and so many points" it closes in 2 seconds |
| 21:32:49 | Paprica | ahha =] |
| 21:33:10 | amiconn | preglow: Looks like a working solution, although not particularly clean. It leaves an (unavoidable) gap in the array |
| 21:34:07 | * | amiconn wonders whether there are better ways at all |
| 21:34:54 | amiconn | The sound setting functions usually deal with hardware. Stereo width is special since it's a hardware thing on the MAS but not on swcodec platforms |
| 21:35:37 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i know what the problem is, but the solution chosen makes it a bit hard to do cleanly when some functions are dsp.c based |
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| 21:36:11 | safetydan | hrm... I seem to have a hit a roadblock... how to represent 0 to pi/2... |
| 21:36:20 | preglow | safetydan: hmm? |
| 21:36:55 | safetydan | cordic needs one of parameters to range from 0 to pi/2 which doesn't fit in s0.31... though I could just rescale it... duh |
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| 21:37:09 | preglow | ahh |
| 21:37:14 | preglow | well, like i said the other day |
| 21:37:20 | preglow | i don't understand cordic too well |
| 21:37:24 | dpro | re |
| 21:37:26 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 21:37:33 | Kyomi | Oh! |
| 21:37:36 | Kyomi | One more question |
| 21:37:43 | preglow | if the algorithm actually needs one of the mnumbers to be a straight numerical pi thing, then the 0.32 fixed point thing isn't really possible without hacks |
| 21:37:57 | Kyomi | I think the plugin is something like pacbox or something... is that some kind of emulator? |
| 21:38:04 | preglow | since what you really need to is pretende 0 is 0 and 0xffffffff is 2*pi |
| 21:38:04 | safetydan | Kyomi, yes |
| 21:38:18 | Mikachu | Kyomi: it's a pacman (and only pacman) emulator |
| 21:38:24 | Kyomi | Whenever I try to use it, it just says something like "No ROM files in <directory>" and stops |
| 21:38:33 | Mikachu | Kyomi: then put some rom files there |
| 21:38:38 | Mikachu | :) |
| 21:38:45 | Kyomi | Of what? |
| 21:38:49 | Kyomi | I have like 8 million |
| 21:38:59 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
| 21:39:00 | crashd | you need the Miday Pacman roms |
| 21:39:00 | safetydan | preglow, the algorithm is pretty dependent on the sign of the angle around the unit circle |
| 21:39:03 | crashd | or similar |
| 21:39:06 | safetydan | or at least seems to be |
| 21:39:26 | * | safetydan wonders if we should just use a nice taylor series |
| 21:39:51 | Mikachu | of the first order, sin x ~= x |
| 21:40:02 | Mikachu | can't go any faster than that :) |
| 21:40:17 | safetydan | ha |
| 21:40:40 | Kyomi | Bah |
| 21:41:12 | Kyomi | But...I want it to be an ACTUAL emulator :P |
| 21:41:23 | Kyomi | That emulates... whatever rom you put in it :P |
| 21:41:30 | webguest04 | I tried to create the rockbox tagdatabse for an Archos Recorder 20 but there seems to be some kind of a size limitation on it, I only get about half of my songs in the Index. can anyone help me? |
| 21:41:36 | * | Kyomi needs a gba emulator on the H320 |
| 21:41:44 | Mikachu | Kyomi: that will never happen |
| 21:41:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:41:55 | Kyomi | Bah |
| 21:42:00 | Kyomi | Theres directional buttons |
| 21:42:01 | Mikachu | i can almost promise that |
| 21:42:10 | safetydan | Kyomi, buy a gba... it's cheap and you can have it now |
| 21:42:14 | Kyomi | And the on/button below could be a/b :P |
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| 21:42:21 | safetydan | or buy a pda |
| 21:42:24 | Kyomi | or the ones on the other side |
| 21:42:26 | Mikachu | the cpu is probably just a bit too slow |
| 21:42:45 | nobelium | i still think it's slow for GBC |
| 21:42:52 | nobelium | aladin sucks there |
| 21:43:07 | Kyomi | If it's too slow for that... how can all these other color games and stuff get on it? |
| 21:43:08 | preglow | safetydan: might as well just use a big table, then |
| 21:43:17 | Kyomi | like that jewels game and the bubbles? |
| 21:43:22 | preglow | or perhaps a taylor series with some nice wrapping |
| 21:43:27 | preglow | perhaps it's worth a shot |
| 21:43:30 | nobelium | because they are coded straight to rockbox |
| 21:43:33 | nobelium | and don't use an emulator |
| 21:43:36 | nobelium | that's my guess |
| 21:43:40 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 21:43:47 | Kyomi | Alright...site question |
| 21:44:07 | Kyomi | How can you get a list of all the changes since the last daily build? Are all of them on the homepage? |
| 21:44:33 | Mikachu | you can click the all changes since 2.5 link and wait a while |
| 21:45:27 | preglow | safetydan: but yeah, if we are to use a taylor series, we might as well just use your old cordic code, imho |
| 21:45:39 | preglow | safetydan: they'll both have the same precision "problems" |
| 21:46:03 | Mikachu | don't you need quite a lot of terms to get good accuracy toward the end points? |
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| 21:46:43 | amiconn | preglow: Seems the build bug for m68k-elf-gcc on x86_64 is already reported |
| 21:46:44 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 21:46:52 | amiconn | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23442 |
| 21:47:23 | Kummer | I think the all changes since 2.5 link is only updated daily |
| 21:47:38 | Kummer | so, it doesn't help in comparing against the daily build |
| 21:47:39 | preglow | amiconn: it is, since half a year |
| 21:47:46 | preglow | amiconn: and no surprise, the gcc people shows no will to fix it |
| 21:47:57 | amiconn | The gcc guys seem to prefer to ignore it.... status unconfirmed although reported 7 months ago... |
| 21:47:58 | preglow | amiconn: even though it seems to be a general 64 bit problem |
| 21:48:11 | preglow | i think i'll go bug them for a bit |
| 21:48:15 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 21:48:18 | amiconn | It happens with *all* versions I tried |
| 21:48:26 | Kyomi | When the bootloader loads up |
| 21:48:35 | Kyomi | It says Model Name: H300 |
| 21:48:40 | Kyomi | But..its H320.. |
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| 21:48:50 | dpro | hmmm something went wrong on my nano ... |
| 21:48:52 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, and gcc 4.1.0 has the some problem to boot |
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| 21:49:31 | dpro | I installed the nano bootloader with dd (to sda1) |
| 21:49:55 | dpro | I put rockbox on sda2 (vfat ipod root) |
| 21:50:04 | dpro | now apple asks me to ask for support ... |
| 21:50:17 | Mikachu | you probably forgot to set the partition type of sda1 to None |
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| 21:50:58 | safetydan | Kyomi, there's probably no hardware difference between a h320 and a h340 (apart from drive size) so they're both called H300 |
| 21:50:59 | Kyomi | Another question... what does the A-B do when you are entering text? It just brings up the alphabet with some other characters in it and shoves the text area to the bottom.. |
| 21:51:01 | Kyomi | What is that? |
| 21:51:29 | Mikachu | i guess, if you want to enter any of those characters? |
| 21:51:57 | dpro | strangely enough fdisk still thinks it's 3 partitions and the 3rd is hfs but I can mount sda2 as vfat .. |
| 21:52:16 | Kyomi | Mikachu: But all of those are already on the main screen without pressing the A-B button |
| 21:52:17 | webguest04 | There seems to be a problem compiling the tag database if it need to be bigger than 4.8 Mb |
| 21:52:40 | Mikachu | Kyomi: okay.. i don't know how the keyboard input looks on that target |
| 21:52:55 | Mikachu | dpro: partition type != filesystem |
| 21:53:09 | Mikachu | dpro: sda1 should be None and sda2 should be W95 FAT32 |
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| 21:53:18 | Mikachu | oh sorry, Empty, not None |
| 21:53:37 | crashd | what's the quickest way to rebuild a given plugin? |
| 21:53:37 | Mikachu | it won't work otherwise |
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| 21:54:15 | Kyomi | It's amazing how much norton screws over your space in my iRiver |
| 21:54:23 | dpro | mikachu: so what number would that be in cfdisk ? |
| 21:54:34 | Kyomi | I deleted the "norton protected" stuff on the player since I couldn't see it other wise |
| 21:54:42 | Kyomi | And my free space shot up to 689MB |
| 21:54:50 | Kyomi | From 28ZMB |
| 21:54:53 | Kyomi | -Z |
| 21:54:58 | Kummer | 0, I think? |
| 21:54:59 | Mikachu | dpro: it seems cfdisk doesn't display it properly... use fdisk |
| 21:55:15 | Mikachu | dpro: type t, 1, L |
| 21:55:19 | Mikachu | and you'll see a list |
| 21:55:29 | Kummer | /dev/sda1 1 10 80293+ 0 Empty |
| 21:55:29 | Kummer | /dev/sda2 11 497 3911824+ b Win95 FAT32 |
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| 21:55:36 | Mikachu | dpro: p to print the table |
| 21:55:39 | Mikachu | dpro: and w to write to disk |
| 21:56:04 | dpro | ah I see just no type ;) |
| 21:56:17 | linuxstb | dpro: Did you just use dd with bootloader-nano.bin or did you follow all the other instructions? |
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| 21:57:21 | sharpe | ah this sucks... |
| 21:57:28 | tim66 | kyomi: pressing A-B when entering text swutches to morse code input |
| 21:58:18 | ep0ch | preglow: i just tried your patch out, its great, except trying to enter "stereo width" option kills rockbox, i guess you know about that? |
| 21:58:31 | dpro | I used dd if=bootloader-nano.bin of=/dev/sda1^(only works if there is a partition) |
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| 21:58:47 | linuxstb | dpro: That's the problem. Which instructions have you been following? |
| 21:58:55 | preglow | ep0ch: what? |
| 21:59:05 | preglow | ep0ch: works like a charm here |
| 21:59:11 | preglow | something is obviously using those array entries then |
| 21:59:27 | Kyomi | ooo! oo! |
| 21:59:34 | Kyomi | Question about RB on H320 |
| 21:59:36 | tim66 | is the menu in the vu_meter backwards (i.e. pressing up goes down, and vice-versa) on all platforms? (I've only got an H140) |
| 21:59:58 | Mikachu | Kyomi: do you have an interest in japan/japanese? |
| 21:59:59 | Kyomi | Is there any hope of charging it with rockbox? |
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| 22:00:11 | Kyomi | Mikachu: Is it that obvious? ^^;;; |
| 22:00:14 | ep0ch | preglow: i can get into the "channels" menu and change the settings, but if i try going into the "channel width" menu rockbox locks up (5g) |
| 22:00:22 | Mikachu | Kyomi: yes :) |
| 22:00:30 | ep0ch | *stereo width |
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| 22:01:32 | Kyomi | Mikachu: Oh well :P |
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| 22:01:42 | Mikachu | Kyomi: i didn't think about it until i saw megami |
| 22:02:18 | Kyomi | o.O |
| 22:02:29 | Kyomi | That was like... forever ago.. |
| 22:02:32 | Kyomi | Oh wait |
| 22:02:38 | Kyomi | Is that the name I put in for this? |
| 22:02:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had sorta assumed it from the "Kyomi" name, and the emoticon styles at least. |
| 22:02:48 | Mikachu | yeah, in ircname |
| 22:02:58 | Kyomi | XD |
| 22:03:05 | Kyomi | That used to be my old nick |
| 22:03:14 | Kyomi | But this one is prettier |
| 22:03:19 | Kyomi | And I made it up :) |
| 22:03:25 | Mikachu | a bit pretentious :P (megami) |
| 22:03:27 | Kyomi | So it's better then just using a word :P |
| 22:03:35 | dpro | pizza time BIAB |
| 22:03:43 | Kyomi | It used to be Megami no Kourui... but that was EXTREMELY way too long |
| 22:03:48 | Kyomi | So I just shortened it |
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| 22:03:55 | Kyomi | Then I got bored |
| 22:03:56 | Mikachu | Kyomi: looking in my edict, kyoumi is a word "interest (in something)" |
| 22:04:00 | Kyomi | And now I'm with this one |
| 22:04:02 | Mikachu | but not kyomi |
| 22:04:08 | Kyomi | lol... awesome |
| 22:04:21 | Kyomi | It just popped into my head one day |
| 22:04:31 | Kyomi | And I was like ooooo! It's soo cute ^.^ |
| 22:04:36 | Mikachu | hehe |
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| 22:05:09 | preglow | amiconn: do you get the exact same error for all gcc versions and targets? |
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| 22:06:19 | preglow | amiconn: i'm talking to gcc devs about it now |
| 22:06:27 | preglow | so perhaps someone will actually look at it |
| 22:06:32 | amiconn | I'm just trying 4.0.3 as well |
| 22:06:44 | amiconn | I'm about to post a comment to mentioned bug |
| 22:07:25 | tucoz | Mikachu, I quite certain the original Tetris is not for NES |
| 22:07:34 | tucoz | :-) |
| 22:07:37 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 22:07:40 | Mikachu | tucoz: maybe wikipedia lied, it usually does, i also didn't read the article so carefully |
| 22:07:42 | Kyomi | I know someone is going to smack me |
| 22:07:47 | Kyomi | But just to confirm |
| 22:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | "In June 1985, Alexey Pajitnov created Tetris on an Electronica 60" <−− Wikipediat |
| 22:08:06 | Kyomi | Updating rockbox... you just copy and paste whats in the zipfile over what you have currently, correct? |
| 22:08:11 | tucoz | Mikachu, it is said there that Tetris was made for NES? |
| 22:08:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Yes |
| 22:08:27 | Kyomi | Yay |
| 22:08:30 | Mikachu | tucoz: it said something to the effect "nintendo made wads of cash on tetris but poor alexei got nothing" |
| 22:08:52 | Kyomi | Is there somewhere else to get wps files? |
| 22:08:54 | tucoz | Oh, yes. That might be true. |
| 22:09:01 | crashd | argh, im such a cretin, why cant i get single plugins to compile |
| 22:09:06 | Kyomi | Mikachu: It was true :( |
| 22:09:28 | Kyomi | G4 tv had an episode of Icons on Tetris and Alexy |
| 22:09:44 | amiconn | gcc 4.x takes much longer to build than 3.x |
| 22:10:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: There are WPSes available elsewhere, but many of them require custom builds of Rockbox to work. |
| 22:10:33 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, it's the exact same error, just the line numbers vary |
| 22:10:35 | preglow | amiconn: seems they're just telling me to file a new bug report... they say the one you linked to isn't a full one |
| 22:11:35 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: Bargh |
| 22:12:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Blame them. They want to use features rockbox doesn't have yet, and will end up having to remake their WPSes several times as the patches change forms before being accepted. |
| 22:12:43 | Kyomi | ha |
| 22:12:49 | amiconn | preglow: I just added my comment... |
| 22:12:51 | Kyomi | I wanna make something.... |
| 22:13:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | kyomi: Well, everything currently supported is explained here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 22:13:27 | dpro | ok now I'm starting from scratch ... |
| 22:13:52 | Mikachu | Kyomi: if you want to make a wps you probably want to get a simulator build working |
| 22:14:01 | preglow | amiconn: they seem to be anxious to see the preprocessed source |
| 22:14:03 | Mikachu | that way you don't have to copy it over to your player each time to try new changes |
| 22:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin, then run the steps that use the ipod_fw tool, then you'll eventually end up with rockboot.bin, which is what you dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1 |
| 22:14:19 | amiconn | preglow: Why? It's their own source... |
| 22:14:20 | Kyomi | I wish there was a way to tell mIRC to open links with firefox without setting firefox as the main browser |
| 22:14:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why don't you want to set FF as the main browser? |
| 22:14:53 | preglow | amiconn: god knows |
| 22:14:59 | amiconn | How would I do that? |
| 22:15:03 | Mikachu | why do you want to use mIRC? |
| 22:15:13 | preglow | amiconn: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html |
| 22:15:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I decided that question was of secondary importance. ;-) |
| 22:15:34 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 22:15:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Although there are those who would scoff at my client of choice as well |
| 22:15:59 | Mikachu | hoho, i am one of them |
| 22:16:05 | Mikachu | but i will hold back on the scoffing |
| 22:16:26 | linuxstb | dpro: You were looking for Linux instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 22:16:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh man, I forgot all about those instructions. |
| 22:16:51 | Mikachu | why aren't those linked at the main ipod install page? or are they? |
| 22:17:00 | Mikachu | oh, they are :) |
| 22:17:07 | dpro | good to have handy now I'm partitioning from scratch |
| 22:17:11 | * | Mikachu hides in the origo |
| 22:17:21 | amiconn | preglow: And how do they think one should know where to add -save-temps ? I'm not the one who wrote gcc or the build system, so how could I proceed? |
| 22:17:25 | dpro | how bit should sda1 get ? (firmware partition) |
| 22:17:33 | dpro | s/bit/big/ |
| 22:17:33 | linuxstb | dpro: You can't partition from scratch - you need a working ipod to start from. |
| 22:17:33 | * | amiconn wonders whether this is deliberate |
| 22:17:42 | dpro | too late |
| 22:17:51 | Kummer | they are linked from the main ipod page, but it's not clear that the page contains linux instructions |
| 22:18:01 | linuxstb | dpro: Do you have access to a Mac? |
| 22:18:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know whether ata read speed on iPod depends on the boost state? |
| 22:18:05 | preglow | amiconn: just pasting the compiler command and adding the flag should do, no? |
| 22:18:22 | Mikachu | dpro: it doesn't matter a lot, as long as it's big enough, maybe end at 10 cylinders |
| 22:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Changed it to clarify that page is also installation instructions. |
| 22:18:31 | Mikachu | dpro: that is the default i think |
| 22:18:47 | amiconn | preglow: Where? The command is given is some obscure makefile within the gcc source tree... |
| 22:19:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, I don't know. And cpu boosting doesn't work on the 4g. |
| 22:19:12 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 22:19:22 | preglow | amiconn: i mean you see the command just above where gcc crashes |
| 22:19:29 | preglow | amiconn: just copy that and run it again with the added flag |
| 22:19:32 | webguest04 | Do we have any Tagdatbase expertise online? |
| 22:19:55 | Bagder | webguest04: I doubt there exists any |
| 22:20:18 | Bagder | at all I mean |
| 22:20:44 | webguest04 | Oh do you know if there is a size limit, I have 9000 songs |
| 22:21:00 | Bagder | I know there is no size limit |
| 22:22:29 | webguest04 | It bales out half way through the compile, but the 4.8 Mb file I end up with works except it doesn't have 1/2 my songs in it |
| 22:22:29 | Kyomi | There is a size limit...but you can set it |
| 22:22:38 | Kyomi | At least on my version of it (H320) |
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| 22:22:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest04: People frequently have problems with the tool. I've heard of it doing that for other people too |
| 22:23:02 | webguest04 | I've got an Archos Recorder V1 |
| 22:23:06 | Bagder | webguest04: its unmaintained and buggy |
| 22:23:16 | preglow | amiconn: btw, you can't build the sh compiler either, can you? |
| 22:23:22 | amiconn | I can, and have |
| 22:23:24 | Bagder | if you want it to work, you prolly need to fix it yourself |
| 22:23:42 | preglow | amiconn: right, i thought you said you couldn't |
| 22:24:10 | amiconn | There was a 64 bit problem in uclpack, making me unable to build archos targets |
| 22:24:16 | amiconn | Not a gcc problem |
| 22:24:19 | amiconn | I fixed that |
| 22:24:21 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 22:24:32 | Mikachu | okay, added a new bug for the bubbles stack bug |
| 22:24:55 | amiconn | Then there's still that (imho silly) gcc 4.x design decision making it impossible to build archos rockbox with gcc 4.x |
| 22:25:08 | amiconn | I reported that quite some time ago |
| 22:25:08 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 22:25:25 | Kyomi | Does anyone know if it would ever happen that rockbox supports SID? |
| 22:25:33 | amiconn | Okay, now I have libgcc2.i, let me copy & post that |
| 22:25:37 | crashd | Kyomi: doesnt DUMB support it? |
| 22:25:42 | Kyomi | Or maybe have a plugin that can play it? |
| 22:25:45 | Kyomi | DUMB? |
| 22:25:49 | crashd | i could well be wrong tho ;\ maybe it only supports mod, scream trackers and xi |
| 22:25:51 | crashd | umm |
| 22:25:58 | Bagder | Kyomi: if you write the code chances or bigger |
| 22:25:58 | preglow | amiconn: that'll never be fixed |
| 22:25:58 | Kyomi | o.O |
| 22:26:01 | crashd | module/tracker player |
| 22:26:11 | Bagder | are bigger even |
| 22:26:12 | Kyomi | I have all of those on my H320 :P |
| 22:26:14 | crashd | that's been commited into rockbox, but isnt currently working |
| 22:26:21 | crashd | not sure what the state of it is tho |
| 22:26:22 | Kyomi | SID/mod/scream trackers |
| 22:26:22 | amiconn | preglow: Why not? |
| 22:26:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Basically, rockbox is open source so it *could* happen that it'll support nearly anything, it just depends on someone taking the steps to make it happen. |
| 22:26:38 | dpro | grrr damn .. I bricked it ... gotta get a pc-fdisk (debian ppc uses a mac-fdisk by default it seems) |
| 22:26:52 | crashd | Kyomi: maybe one of the guys in here will know what the deal is ;) |
| 22:27:04 | webguest04 | Guess I'll get busy fix the Tag limits myself then Thanks |
| 22:27:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: Reformatting bricks it no matter what. The firmware partition gets destroyed, and you need the apple restore tool to remake it. |
| 22:27:16 | preglow | amiconn: well, you saw the attitude of the ones that even cared to respond to the bug? |
| 22:27:21 | preglow | amiconn: we're in error, not them, etc |
| 22:27:22 | Bagder | webguest04: what tool did you use? |
| 22:27:29 | preglow | amiconn: btw, did you try to build arm-elf with 4.1? |
| 22:27:33 | tucoz | Kyomi, sidplay is unfortunatley written in C++ and needs quite some work to get into the rockbox architecture |
| 22:27:41 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, didn't work |
| 22:27:48 | preglow | amiconn: do you remember the bug? |
| 22:27:54 | preglow | right here it seems like it's a configure probløem |
| 22:28:06 | amiconn | Some undeclared function iirc |
| 22:28:17 | dpro | paul: strangely enough I backuped the mbr/partition map and rewriting it doesnt help |
| 22:28:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: Yeah, but it's the actual data in that first partition that must be present for the ipod to boot. |
| 22:28:51 | Kummer | arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 works fine on x86_64 |
| 22:29:03 | tucoz | Kyomi, and Dumb (mod library) is building in rockbox, but nothing more than that. It's using float values, and will most certainly be changed to fixed point to be usable |
| 22:29:08 | linuxstb | dpro: Do you have access to a Mac? |
| 22:29:22 | preglow | amiconn: right, just got configure complaining that my gcc can't compile executable objects... which i know |
| 22:29:45 | dpro | ah ok ... looks better now |
| 22:29:51 | webguest04 | The proceedure that was recommended using songdb.jar and makedbj.bat |
| 22:30:07 | Bagder | webguest04: try the perl version and see |
| 22:30:15 | Bagder | I don't recommend the java version |
| 22:30:27 | amiconn | preglow: Really? I'll retry... |
| 22:30:44 | webguest04 | Ok, I'll have to lookinto getting PERL setup then |
| 22:30:50 | amiconn | Attached the file to bug report |
| 22:31:02 | dpro | ok so again .. now I have only sda2 fat32 formatted, how how to get the rockbox bootloader there ? |
| 22:31:08 | crashd | Kyomi: i want chiptunes too ;) |
| 22:31:30 | Kummer | the bootloader belongs on sda1 |
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| 22:32:15 | dpro | there's no sda1 at the moment, what type to choose for sda1 ? (if I dd the bootloader to sda I trash the partition map) |
| 22:32:25 | Kummer | 0 Empty |
| 22:32:32 | Mikachu | dpro: that's what i told you before... |
| 22:32:40 | dpro | cfdisk hates that |
| 22:32:45 | Kyomi | crashd: I have the entire HVSC on my H320 just waiting to play them :P |
| 22:32:47 | Kummer | use fdisk |
| 22:32:49 | dpro | ends up being linux if I choose 0 for the type |
| 22:32:53 | Mikachu | dpro: i also told you not to use cfdisk |
| 22:33:00 | dpro | fdisk is mac fdisk on linux ppc |
| 22:33:10 | crashd | Kyomi: get coding then :) |
| 22:33:11 | dpro | it doesn't see any map |
| 22:33:18 | Kyomi | So.. just to clear up... there is NO way to play SID/S3M/MOD tunes atm? |
| 22:33:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Not at the moment, no |
| 22:34:41 | tucoz | Kyomi, there is a patch at the tracker that could be used to take the DUMB port further |
| 22:35:19 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2793 |
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| 22:35:22 | Mikachu | Kyomi: not other than converting to mp3/ogg/etc first |
| 22:35:41 | tucoz | I don't think it will apply cleanly though |
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| 22:36:42 | preglow | amiconn: ok, andrew pinski says he'll have a look at it during the week |
| 22:36:42 | * | dpro is ./configuring pd-fdisk |
| 22:36:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Reading the description, I'm almost certain it won't. |
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| 22:37:45 | tucoz | Thats why I wrote the disclaimer ;-) |
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| 22:38:23 | amiconn | preglow: I'm just retrying arm-elf-gcc 4.1.0 |
| 22:38:43 | preglow | amiconn: i've solved my problem, so lets see if you've got the same |
| 22:39:27 | amiconn | Building gcc throws a ton of warnings... |
| 22:41:06 | amiconn | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:41:14 | preglow | yep |
| 22:41:17 | preglow | exactly |
| 22:41:22 | preglow | libssp does not like to be cross compiled |
| 22:41:22 | amiconn | Strange... |
| 22:41:26 | preglow | −−disable-libssp |
| 22:41:37 | preglow | and you'll have shiny new 4.1.0 cross compiler |
| 22:41:40 | Kyomi | tucoz: You can apply patches yourself? |
| 22:41:44 | amiconn | What does libssp do? |
| 22:41:49 | Kyomi | tucoz: And how do you do that? ^^; |
| 22:41:50 | preglow | amiconn: stack smashing protection |
| 22:41:53 | tucoz | Kyomi, yes. Anyone can do that |
| 22:41:57 | amiconn | hmm. |
| 22:42:01 | preglow | amiconn: in other words, nothing relevant |
| 22:42:09 | amiconn | Did you try sh-elf-gcc 4.1.0, or m68k-elf-gcc 4.1.0 ? |
| 22:42:11 | tucoz | Kyomi, download source, apply patch, compile |
| 22:42:15 | preglow | amiconn: nope |
| 22:42:20 | * | amiconn tries |
| 22:42:21 | preglow | amiconn: i can now, though |
| 22:42:24 | preglow | ok |
| 22:42:30 | Kyomi | Yeah... you lost me at compile |
| 22:42:34 | Kyomi | compile with what? |
| 22:42:35 | amiconn | Each of us could try one of them |
| 22:42:50 | Kummer | Kyomi: with what amiconn and preglow are discussing now |
| 22:42:57 | crashd | Kyomi: as tucoz and Paul_The_Nerd said, i doubt that the DUMB patch will patch neatly against current cvs |
| 22:43:04 | crashd | but, you could try, and then try hand patching the rejects |
| 22:43:05 | crashd | O.o |
| 22:43:16 | crashd | looks to be a fairly big diff tho |
| 22:43:23 | dpro | ok let's see .... |
| 22:43:34 | dpro | rebooting after sync ... |
| 22:44:02 | Kyomi | Yeah umm |
| 22:44:22 | Kyomi | I have NO... and I stress that part.. idea about how this thing is coded or what to do or anything :P |
| 22:44:23 | dpro | nope ... |
| 22:44:26 | tucoz | Kyomi, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 22:44:30 | Kyomi | Unless it's in java ^^; |
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| 22:44:50 | Kyomi | I know random bits of C that I've mostly forgotten from messing with MUD code |
| 22:45:28 | Kyomi | And what is this DUMB patch? |
| 22:45:34 | Kyomi | And why did they name it that ;_; |
| 22:45:58 | crashd | hehe, DUMB is the library for playing various tracker/chiptune formats |
| 22:46:35 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, what also doesn't work is building an x86_64 crosscompiler on i686 |
| 22:46:44 | ep0ch | DUMB - Dynamic Universal Music Bibliotheque |
| 22:47:13 | amiconn | (That was one of my desparate attempts to get m68k-elf-gcc compiled for x86_64) |
| 22:47:50 | amiconn | I wanted to crosscompile the crosscompiler, but already failed in the first step |
| 22:47:54 | Mikachu | i didn't know bibliotheque was used in english |
| 22:48:10 | dpro | that's what my partitiontable looks like now: http://powerlesspointless.com/ipod.txt |
| 22:48:45 | dpro | dd'ed bootloader to sda1 unzipped rockbox to sda2 ... nada |
| 22:49:08 | Mikachu | dpro: you didn't forget to press w? |
| 22:49:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: You've kept the old bootpartition.bin and and using that to make the bootloader? |
| 22:49:45 | dpro | nono that's what I see replugging the ipod and looking with fdisk |
| 22:49:50 | preglow | amiconn: wouldn't know anything about that one |
| 22:49:55 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:50:06 | Mikachu | then it's something else |
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| 22:50:34 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: if you say gaim irc fast it sounds like gay mirc |
| 22:50:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Just couldn't resist in the end, could you? Hehehe. I just like having all of my messaging unified in one program. |
| 22:51:04 | Mikachu | :P |
| 22:51:05 | dpro | paul: nope I'm afraid but it was in a weird state anyway ... kind of half converted to vfat |
| 22:51:12 | Mikachu | sorry, it was still at the bottom in my status window :P |
| 22:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: Well, you can't just dd the bootloader over |
| 22:51:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: It's designed to be merged with the apple_os.bin you extract from bootpartition.bin by using the ipod_fw utility |
| 22:51:41 | Mikachu | dpro: you ran ipod_fw and all that correctly? |
| 22:51:53 | Mikachu | what he said |
| 22:52:05 | dpro | nope classic chair keyboard problem |
| 22:52:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 22:52:17 | dpro | I thought I'd _replace_ the bootloader |
| 22:52:21 | Mikachu | dpro: i like your pear2pear picture |
| 22:52:26 | dpro | thx |
| 22:52:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: One thing you *can* do is create a small dummy file, and merge it with the bootloader, though I don't remember the slight different the command needed |
| 22:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Are you present? |
| 22:53:25 | Mikachu | dpro: you want to boot apples firmware when you transfer files... |
| 22:53:30 | dpro | ipod_fw is a os x binary ... where to get the source ? |
| 22:53:47 | Kummer | it comes with rockbox. on linux you have to build it. |
| 22:53:48 | dpro | Mikachu: I can just mount it that's ok |
| 22:53:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: If you use dd to create a 1024 byte empty file dummy.bin (or create one some other way) and then use the ipod_fw with -l where the -i is currently, (that's lowercase L) I believe it'll work. |
| 22:54:03 | dpro | ok cvs or subversion what's preferred ? |
| 22:54:05 | Mikachu | dpro: the source is in the cvs tree |
| 22:54:25 | Mikachu | dpro: yes but you need to be running apple to be able to mount it unless you use emergency disk mode |
| 22:54:33 | Mikachu | dpro: and edm is 10000000x slower than apple |
| 22:55:22 | sharpe | wonderful wonderful wonderful. |
| 22:55:45 | preglow | amiconn: is it possible something other than a hole in the array occurs in my sound.c patch? it crashes when i enter stereo width now... |
| 22:56:02 | preglow | even though that particular entry shouldn't be accessed anymore |
| 22:56:04 | amiconn | huh? |
| 22:56:07 | dpro | chechin' out |
| 22:56:12 | Kummer | dpro if you followed "Step 1 - Compile the bootloader" on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot then ipod_fw should be built already in rockbox/tools/ |
| 22:56:32 | dpro | mikachu: I use usb 1.0 ... can't get any slower |
| 22:56:53 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:57:03 | Mikachu | haven't done any tests with 1.0 |
| 22:58:42 | PhR3aK | what about the bootloader for the x5? how far is the development? |
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| 22:59:07 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I am now. |
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| 23:00:14 | preglow | amiconn: sound_default still uses it... |
| 23:00:17 | Bagder | PhR3aK: a few days away |
| 23:00:19 | Kyomi | You know what? |
| 23:00:20 | preglow | arghh |
| 23:00:37 | * | safetydan joins preglow |
| 23:00:38 | Kyomi | I think the government should just buy everyone in the US an alienware PC |
| 23:00:38 | safetydan | argrhrg |
| 23:00:48 | PhR3aK | just a few days? really? |
| 23:01:03 | preglow | amiconn: so i can't remove the table entry, which in turn means i can't remove the functions |
| 23:01:03 | Kyomi | Then everyone take it to a computer shop to get all of the monitoring software and crap off of it :P |
| 23:01:06 | Bagder | PhR3aK: linus booted rockbox today on his x5 |
| 23:01:12 | Bagder | no sound yet though |
| 23:01:14 | preglow | that is, i CAN make the tables point to NULL.... |
| 23:01:31 | PhR3aK | great! :) |
| 23:01:34 | amiconn | preglow: Building sh-elf-gcc 4.1.0 fails with the same error as arm-elf-gcc. m68k-elf-gcc fails at the usual place, which obviously happens before the libssp one |
| 23:01:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I don't think my question matters any more. :) |
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| 23:04:54 | preglow | amiconn: i just let the function stubs stay, and removed the contents instead |
| 23:05:05 | preglow | very elegant |
| 23:05:27 | amiconn | preglow: Yes you can. sound_default(), sound_min() and sound_max() only need the values. The function pointers canb be NULLed if you make sure they're never called |
| 23:06:49 | preglow | amiconn: i'm not up to assuring that right now, i still have a couple of bugs to fix before i'll call it a night' |
| 23:06:57 | preglow | namely the wav adpcm bug and the voice ui crash |
| 23:07:06 | dpro | paul: ok that one I can try to dd now ? |
| 23:07:31 | preglow | both of which elude me completely at the moment |
| 23:07:36 | * | amiconn is supposed to work on english.lang :/ |
| 23:08:00 | * | Kyomi should probably work on physics.homework |
| 23:08:18 | dpro | yippieeee rockbox booting ... now for some music files |
| 23:08:21 | dpro | thx guys ;) |
| 23:08:23 | dpro | *phew* |
| 23:09:26 | PhR3aK | thx Bagder, really good news ;) |
| 23:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: If you used the dummy.bin method, you can't dual boot into apple firmware. I hope you can survive the shorter boot times |
| 23:10:19 | Kyomi | lol |
| 23:10:41 | Kyomi | Just how exactly does it boot so quick? |
| 23:11:29 | dpro | paul: hehe I guess I can for now |
| 23:11:57 | dpro | paul: and if I should ever feel bad about it I can patch rockbox to do some waiting |
| 23:13:25 | dpro | so now for the arm-gcc |
| 23:14:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, in the iRiver's case, I think their firmware does some really slow database and file tree scanning stuff every time you boot. |
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| 23:16:18 | Kyomi | It's that IDV3 tag info option isn't it? |
| 23:16:29 | Kyomi | Oh |
| 23:16:30 | Kyomi | Right |
| 23:16:36 | Kyomi | Another question I remembered from today |
| 23:16:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even with that disabled the iRiver firmware boots slow. |
| 23:16:49 | Mikachu | did they make them before the cache was invented? |
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| 23:17:20 | Kyomi | With my H320 with the "normal" firmware.. when you would play a song the navi button would bring you to the file that is playing |
| 23:17:25 | Kyomi | Is there a way to do that in RB? |
| 23:17:33 | Kyomi | I tried but it just goes back to the root folder |
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| 23:17:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: There's a "Follow Playlist" option, though I don't remember where |
| 23:17:51 | Kyomi | Oh |
| 23:18:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | My memory is unfortunately horrible |
| 23:18:12 | Kyomi | I thought that meant it would follow the current playlist you wanted to play |
| 23:18:27 | Kyomi | I'm so happy playlists actually WORK now |
| 23:18:41 | Kyomi | H320 said it supported them... never could get them to work |
| 23:18:52 | Kyomi | Even sent them an email about... never got a reply |
| 23:19:00 | dpro | syncing, unmounting, trying ... |
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| 23:20:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, what "Follow Playlist" does is, when you go back to the file browser you'll be at whatever song the playlist was at when you left the WPS |
| 23:21:02 | Kyomi | Oh.. cool D: |
| 23:21:05 | Kyomi | :D* |
| 23:21:18 | dpro | one last thing ... how to get to the pitch change thing agsain ? |
| 23:21:29 | dpro | s/agsain/again/ |
| 23:22:53 | Mikachu | you've been there before? |
| 23:22:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: On iPods I'm not entirely sure it's possible to get to it yet... on others it's hold play and increase/decrease the volume... But holding play turns off the ipod, so I'm not so sure... |
| 23:23:08 | Mikachu | it's not bound in the wps on ipods |
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| 23:23:39 | dpro | ah ic ... so that's my project for tomorrow ;) |
| 23:24:22 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
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| 23:24:28 | Kyomi | Think pitch thingy is on h320? |
| 23:24:40 | Mikachu | i can check |
| 23:24:49 | Kyomi | k |
| 23:25:08 | Kyomi | And why does my battery percentage increase when I use it? |
| 23:25:18 | Mikachu | #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD || CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD \ |
| 23:25:18 | Mikachu | || CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD |
| 23:25:18 | Mikachu | case BUTTON_ON | BUTTON_REPEAT: |
| 23:25:27 | Mikachu | so that means hold down the on button for a second or so |
| 23:25:28 | Mikachu | i guess |
| 23:25:28 | * | preglow does a 4.1.0 test |
| 23:25:37 | | Join BoD[] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) |
| 23:25:41 | Kyomi | It'll be at like... 88 then go to 90 |
| 23:25:42 | BoD[] | Hello! |
| 23:25:44 | preglow | ooh, a new warning 4.0 didn't see |
| 23:25:45 | Kyomi | HI |
| 23:26:28 | BoD[] | Hey ... I'm trying to use the %c(...)c tag in the wps... it doesn't seem to work |
| 23:26:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: The battery % isn't perfectly accurate, as the hardware itself that reads the battery isn't, so sometimes it'll read slightly higher than it did at last look. |
| 23:26:36 | Mikachu | preglow: what is it, warning: variable initialized while full moon? |
| 23:26:39 | preglow | wow |
| 23:26:43 | preglow | it shaved off 4k on rockbox.ipod |
| 23:26:43 | BoD[] | is it a known bug? |
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| 23:27:02 | preglow | Mikachu: warning: variable initialised error goat slaughter |
| 23:27:07 | Kyomi | lol |
| 23:27:11 | Mikachu | ah, that one |
| 23:27:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: What exactly is your %cblahc line? |
| 23:27:25 | Mikachu | i accidentally had correct grammar in mine |
| 23:27:34 | Mikachu | actually maybe i didn't so much |
| 23:27:40 | Kyomi | lol |
| 23:27:42 | preglow | Mikachu: after that gcc goes tsr and says 'KEKEKEKE ^_^' for every command you type |
| 23:27:47 | BoD[] | Paul_The_Nerd: %cYc |
| 23:27:53 | Mikachu | oh no, not KEKEKEKE :((((( |
| 23:27:54 | Kyomi | lmao |
| 23:28:02 | Mikachu | i laughed so much when i played megaman zero 2 |
| 23:28:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bod[]: Hm. And what do you get as output? |
| 23:28:16 | BoD[] | and it displays : "C" |
| 23:28:18 | Mikachu | and got to maybe the third boss, and he actually says KEKEKEKEKEKEKE |
| 23:28:27 | Mikachu | i think i didn't stop laughing for 10 minutes or so |
| 23:28:43 | BoD[] | i mean "c" |
| 23:28:52 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:29:02 | BoD[] | I'm on the simulator, didn't try it on the real thing yet :) |
| 23:29:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Did you ever play Bionic Commando on NES? One of the bosses used to say "Pi Pi Pi" and as a young child it made me laugh quite a bit |
| 23:29:21 | Mikachu | haha, no |
| 23:29:26 | Mikachu | i never had an es |
| 23:29:31 | Mikachu | A NES |
| 23:29:35 | preglow | haha |
| 23:29:38 | preglow | i played it on c64 |
| 23:29:48 | preglow | never got very far |
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| 23:29:52 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: pi like in pie or pee? |
| 23:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Give it a shot on the real thing. I doubt it'd be any different, but at the same time it seems like something others would have noticed... |
| 23:30:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I have *no* idea. |
| 23:30:11 | BoD[] | Paul_The_Nerd: ok I just tried : it does the same thing "c" |
| 23:30:14 | safetydan | preglow, http://pastebin.com/615179 ... close but it's cycling too slowly and I need sleep |
| 23:30:18 | dpro | ok works so far, will recompile tomorrow and try to come up with pitch keybindings that make sense |
| 23:30:26 | preglow | damn |
| 23:30:33 | preglow | aac actually lost 10kb |
| 23:30:45 | preglow | safetydan: cycling too slowly? |
| 23:30:54 | Mikachu | dpro: i can hand you a patch to add it to the menu tomorrow |
| 23:31:00 | Kyomi | safteydan = safteydance? |
| 23:31:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bod[]: Dunno, as I haven't used that tag. =/ |
| 23:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: safteydan == not dangerousdan |
| 23:31:21 | Kyomi | ahhh |
| 23:31:29 | * | Kyomi hugs the saftey scissors |
| 23:31:31 | Kyomi | errr |
| 23:31:33 | Kyomi | dan* |
| 23:31:35 | dpro | mikachu: that would be awesome |
| 23:31:36 | Kyomi | ;) |
| 23:31:40 | BoD[] | what's the preffered course of action from there? mailing list? |
| 23:32:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Try a few other things, to see if it's just Y that doesn't work, or if it's just short ones (single letter) that don't work, or what. |
| 23:32:41 | | Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-128-162.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:32:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Then, once you've got a pretty clear idea of what clock ones don't work, search the tracker for clock, or %c and see if it's already been reported. If so, add your findings. If not, report a bug report there |
| 23:33:20 | XavierGr | fucking vi! |
| 23:33:27 | preglow | are you? |
| 23:33:27 | Kyomi | use vim :P |
| 23:33:28 | Mikachu | not a recommended course of action |
| 23:33:32 | Kyomi | lol |
| 23:33:34 | BoD[] | it seems that the tag doesn't work at al |
| 23:33:36 | BoD[] | l |
| 23:33:38 | Kyomi | I love the replies in here |
| 23:33:41 | BoD[] | for any pattern :) |
| 23:35:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Hm. Odd. I'd imagine someone would notice that... |
| 23:35:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Does your unit properly display time in the status bar at the top? And, have you tried it in sims for other targets? (Nano, H300, 4G color specifically) |
| 23:35:58 | Kyomi | What BoD mean? |
| 23:36:09 | safetydan | preglow, like it's doing sin(2x) instead of sin(x) |
| 23:36:26 | safetydan | Kyomi, no, just safetydan... for very obscure reasons :) |
| 23:36:43 | safetydan | Nothing to do with DangerDan, that's someone who's not me |
| 23:36:43 | Kyomi | lol |
| 23:36:46 | safetydan | (no really) |
| 23:36:49 | BoD[] | Paul_The_Nerd: the time in the status bar works fine |
| 23:36:55 | Kyomi | DANGER DOOM!! |
| 23:36:56 | JdGordon | morning all |
| 23:36:56 | Kyomi | >.> |
| 23:36:58 | BoD[] | didn't try other targets |
| 23:37:00 | Kyomi | Morning? |
| 23:37:07 | Kyomi | Its 17:30 |
| 23:37:09 | BoD[] | maybe it's an ipod problem |
| 23:37:49 | XavierGr | how can I see my mail in Linux. Every time I log in I see a mesage. "You have mail" |
| 23:37:57 | dpro | its' 23:30 |
| 23:37:59 | Mikachu | maybe 'mail' |
| 23:38:29 | dpro | XavierGR: or mutt if you're not a masochist |
| 23:38:57 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Thanks |
| 23:38:57 | crashd | cockit |
| 23:39:09 | Mikachu | XavierGr: there are tons of programs though |
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| 23:39:32 | dpro | mutt and pine maybe being the most popular |
| 23:39:33 | Kyomi | lol? |
| 23:40:02 | dpro | less /var/spool/mail/username .... |
| 23:40:32 | dpro | ok I'm off to the party for now |
| 23:40:35 | Kyomi | theres a program called cockit? |
| 23:40:40 | Kyomi | You know... |
| 23:40:50 | dpro | LOL now I get it |
| 23:41:00 | Kyomi | I've sooo wanted to take a picture of the backs of one of the interstate batteries van |
| 23:41:01 | Mikachu | if you come up with a random word between 2 and 6 letters there is probably a unix program with that name |
| 23:41:03 | PhR3aK | could there be incompatiblities between the x5 and the x5l? so will there a new coding necassery? |
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| 23:41:22 | safetydan | rar... I can't figure this out right now, too sleepy |
| 23:41:35 | Kyomi | I thought it would be funny to have a picture of a batter van with "1-800-CRANK-IT" on the back |
| 23:41:40 | Bagder | PhR3aK: none of us have a x5l so we better hope it isn't too different |
| 23:41:40 | safetydan | preglow, I'll look at it again tomorrow, but what's in that pastebin link is getting close |
| 23:41:44 | Kyomi | batter = battery |
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| 23:41:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 23:42:27 | PhR3aK | i mean the orig. firmware for x5/x5l is the same too, so... hm lets think positive ;) |
| 23:42:37 | Mikachu | maybe they pulled an nvidia |
| 23:42:45 | Mikachu | and put 5000000 drivers in one HOOGE binary |
| 23:42:46 | Bagder | PhR3aK: so what's the diff? |
| 23:42:55 | XavierGr | is there someone that uses the VMware build here? |
| 23:43:10 | Zagor | "The iAudio X5L (Long Play) allows a massive 35 hours of battery life (compared to 14 hours with the iAudio X5)." |
| 23:43:11 | Moos | Bagder: just the battery as far I know |
| 23:43:20 | Bagder | aha |
| 23:43:30 | Bagder | well then rockbox should of course be the same |
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| 23:43:51 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: you're the bubbles guy? |
| 23:44:00 | | Join nnod [0] (n=donn@xp000931.massey.ac.nz) |
| 23:44:03 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: yes, i saw you bug report |
| 23:44:06 | Mikachu | kay |
| 23:44:16 | Moos | Bagder: yes all X5 models and there are plenty then potentially lot of users/dev :-) |
| 23:44:29 | Mikachu | i don't know if my attempted fix is a step in the right dir or if you want to break the recursion completely |
| 23:44:34 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: i'll take a look at it this evening, i think I know what the problem is |
| 23:44:45 | Mikachu | but at any rate it didn't help |
| 23:45:13 | PhR3aK | but i think it will be a problem to port it on the x5v (has diffrent firmware) |
| 23:45:14 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: other than that, i really really like it, it's very cool :) |
| 23:45:16 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: i think it may just be recursing too deep, so i'll try eliminating the recursion |
| 23:45:54 | PhR3aK | the x5v has no fm radio i think |
| 23:45:57 | Moos | PhR3aK: this one have no fm radio |
| 23:45:58 | Kyomi | You made that bubbles game? |
| 23:45:59 | Mikachu | another thing that is not as important is that the next ball thing is right on top of the left penguin |
| 23:46:06 | Moos | PhR3aK: yes I think so |
| 23:46:08 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: it would be better if it was in the empty space above i think |
| 23:46:28 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: isn't frozen bubble written in perl? |
| 23:46:58 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: yeah, frozen bubble is in perl, but i didn't port bubbles from it, i just used its graphics |
| 23:47:15 | XavierGr | is there a reason why putty is so slow? |
| 23:47:25 | Kyomi | Putty isn't slow |
| 23:47:27 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: oh, okay |
| 23:47:34 | Kyomi | The host your connecting to is :P |
| 23:47:42 | Kyomi | I'm using it for a mud :) |
| 23:47:47 | XavierGr | the host is my VMware emulated machine |
| 23:47:53 | Kyomi | anime2.ipupdater.net:8000 |
| 23:47:54 | Kyomi | :) |
| 23:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Because viscoelastic liquids tend to flow much less quickly than normal liquids at room temperature. |
| 23:48:10 | PhR3aK | maybee a stupid question: rockbox features id3-browsing? |
| 23:48:14 | Mikachu | Kyomi: i want to date an iPup too |
| 23:48:28 | XavierGr | so Paul it is slow for you too? |
| 23:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I don't use Putty. I just use the Terminal in the VM |
| 23:52:49 | BoD[] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4881 |
| 23:53:16 | BoD[] | should I post that in the ml to get better attention? :) |
| 23:53:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Did you try it on other UI sims? |
| 23:53:38 | BoD[] | nop |
| 23:53:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: And you never answered if the time showed correctly in your status bar normally |
| 23:54:00 | BoD[] | yes I did! it does |
| 23:54:10 | BoD[] | it shows correctly |
| 23:54:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, I missed that |
| 23:54:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 23:54:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just curious if it's a 5G thing, or a WPS thing |
| 23:54:44 | BoD[] | maybe one of you guys can try a %cY% in a wps |
| 23:54:52 | BoD[] | on another targert |
| 23:55:31 | Bagder | %cY%? |
| 23:55:41 | Bagder | shouldn't it be %C%Y? |
| 23:55:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: %cYc works fine for me |
| 23:55:52 | Bagder | ok |
| 23:55:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: He meant %cYc, for use of the clock |
| 23:55:58 | * | Bagder shuts up |
| 23:56:03 | BoD[] | Bagder: :) |
| 23:56:11 | BoD[] | ok so.. it seems it's an ipod thing |
| 23:56:12 | Kyomi | Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Muhsroom!...Muhsroom! |
| 23:56:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: I just made a WPS containing only it, and it displays 2006. On an iPod Nano |
| 23:56:17 | crashd | ... |
| 23:56:21 | Kyomi | Sorry.. I just had to do that ^^;;; |
| 23:56:22 | ender` | Snake, snake! |
| 23:56:23 | BoD[] | woops |
| 23:56:32 | BoD[] | ok so.. it seems it's an ipod 5g thing ? |
| 23:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | ender': We call the game "Wormlet" |
| 23:56:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: You *are* running a new enough build of Rockbox right? |
| 23:57:01 | Kyomi | argh..snake! Sssssssnnaaakkeeeeee.....ohhhhh.. it's a snake... |
| 23:57:15 | Mikachu | unknown reference |
| 23:57:17 | BoD[] | I cvsd last sunday |
| 23:57:26 | ender` | btw, what's the status of apev2 tags on mp3 files? |
| 23:57:27 | | Quit quobl (SendQ exceeded) |
| 23:57:33 | Mikachu | that is quite a while ago in rockbox timespace |
| 23:57:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: And the feature was added on the 18th. |
| 23:57:56 | BoD[] | hmmm :) |
| 23:57:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: I'd kinda assumed you'd made sure the feature was *in* your version of Rockbox before thinking it was a bug... |
| 23:58:13 | BoD[] | hmmmmmmmm |
| 23:58:33 | Mikachu | last sunday being the 19th or 12th? |
| 23:58:34 | BoD[] | "you assume too much" ? :) |
| 23:58:50 | | Quit TCK (Connection timed out) |
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