| 00:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I get the punishing stick today! Woo! |
| 00:00:11 | Kyomi | Anyone? |
| 00:00:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Party mode basically keeps you from being able to stop playback, so you can't accidentally interrupt songs while queuing up more at a party |
| 00:01:42 | Kyomi | So wait |
| 00:01:47 | Kyomi | You can queue more then one? |
| 00:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 00:01:53 | Mikachu | would a patch to add a 'insert last and shuffled' be accepted? i wanted to do that today |
| 00:01:57 | Kyomi | Awesome :D |
| 00:02:02 | Mikachu | + queue same thing |
| 00:02:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: You can queue as many as your little heart desires. |
| 00:02:07 | Kyomi | How does that work? |
| 00:02:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Shouldn't "insert shuffled" style things shuffle it into the whole playlist? |
| 00:02:24 | Kyomi | Just like...search and press play button? |
| 00:02:37 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: hm, maybe it does, i'm not sure |
| 00:02:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Click and hold Navi on the file, while music is playing, and you'll get a variety of options. |
| 00:02:45 | Kyomi | yay :D |
| 00:02:50 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: in that case it is nothing |
| 00:02:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Dunno whether it does or doesn't. I just think it *should*. :-P |
| 00:04:09 | BoD[] | (just out of curiosity, while i'm compiling, can I undo a bug submition?) |
| 00:04:30 | Kyomi | lol :P |
| 00:05:06 | Zagor | BoD[]: no. but you can add a comment to the effect. |
| 00:07:22 | XavierGr | for gods sake!!! |
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| 00:07:37 | XavierGr | I want to add a user and I can't. |
| 00:07:40 | XavierGr | I type: |
| 00:08:04 | BoD[] | ok ... it's working |
| 00:08:24 | lostlogic | so, now that some people have used it... do we hate or love or have no particular relationship with the way I implemented RTC WPS tag? |
| 00:08:26 | BoD[] | please accept my appologies, I feel stupid :) |
| 00:08:40 | XavierGr | useradd -g users -d /home/Xavier -m -p password xavier |
| 00:08:51 | XavierGr | when I try to login it says login incorrect |
| 00:09:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I hate it. I absolutely loathe it. I wish it would burn. Oh, and it was % what again? |
| 00:09:19 | BoD[] | plus I can't seem to login on flyspray |
| 00:09:39 | BoD[] | today's not my day |
| 00:09:41 | linuxstb | ender`: I looked at implementing apev2 tags for mp3, and it's not possible to do it efficiently without a little re-organisation of Rockbox. I posted to the mailing list here: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-02/0077.shtml |
| 00:10:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Just in case, I'm kidding of course. It looks pretty good, reading about it. My WPS is too simple for it though. |
| 00:10:42 | ender` | linuxstb: what about the patch that's sitting in the tracker? i've been using that for a long time now, and it WFM(tm) |
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| 00:11:54 | Kyomi | WFM? |
| 00:12:08 | ender` | Works For Me |
| 00:12:09 | linuxstb | ender`: I think that's the wrong way to do it. The check for id3v1 (which are always at the end of the file) and apev2 (also at the end of the file) can be combined into a single disk read operation. |
| 00:12:24 | ender` | ok |
| 00:13:10 | herz42 | lostlogic: that new iPod scroll wheel behaviour is muuuch better than before. |
| 00:14:16 | herz42 | lostlogic: only in some apps that don't mask the repeat button it's annoying to move thumb up/down/up/... |
| 00:15:03 | herz42 | so I liked my timeout repeat solution just a little bit more ;) |
| 00:17:15 | lostlogic | herz42: heh, yeah −− that's a flaw in the application that needs adjusting, noteably jewels, where else? |
| 00:17:45 | Mikachu | hm, didn't i send a patch to jewels to use play/menu for up/down? |
| 00:17:56 | Mikachu | but the other way around of course |
| 00:18:08 | preglow | arghghgh |
| 00:18:10 | lostlogic | Mikachu: perhaps −− while you're at it, can you fix it's behaviour with scroll|repeat? :) |
| 00:18:15 | preglow | i don't get this voice ui bug |
| 00:18:18 | herz42 | lostlogic: I was hating it a lot in the battery view in debug_menu :( |
| 00:18:26 | Mikachu | lostlogic: maybe tomorrow, i have to sleep now |
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| 00:18:33 | lostlogic | herz42: debug + UI = ugh ;) |
| 00:19:01 | herz42 | yeah, I don't care too much for a fix there... |
| 00:19:29 | lostlogic | Mikachu: nod nod −− I'm also pondering idly on what the RightWay (TM) to give apps absolute wheel position is, haven't come to a solution yet, but the wheels are churning. Your solution slightly tweaked is still a contender. |
| 00:19:47 | Mikachu | okay, it is a tricky deal |
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| 00:20:11 | coyote10 | hi |
| 00:20:29 | coyote10 | uy este proyecto tiene nuchos colaboradores |
| 00:20:33 | preglow | english |
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| 00:21:13 | coyote10 | you speak spanish? |
| 00:21:16 | Mikachu | no |
| 00:21:19 | preglow | no, but you should |
| 00:21:20 | preglow | ehh |
| 00:21:23 | preglow | speak english, that is |
| 00:21:31 | preglow | i need sleep... |
| 00:21:34 | Mikachu | i should be able to speak spanish, i studied it for 4 years :P |
| 00:21:59 | preglow | hell, i studied german for five, and i'm still crappy at it |
| 00:22:21 | preglow | but then again, saying i studied it is something of an exageration |
| 00:22:54 | coyote10 | who is the project rockbox? |
| 00:23:08 | preglow | now, if all the good rockbox folk would just go ahead and test my newest commit, i'll be a happy little camper |
| 00:23:21 | Moos | coyote10: muchos colaborades :-) |
| 00:23:30 | Bagder | coyote10: www.rockbox.org |
| 00:23:36 | sharpe | according to google, i'm a doctor... |
| 00:23:44 | coyote10 | genial moos |
| 00:23:59 | coyote10 | ahi encontre el link |
| 00:23:59 | preglow | linuxstb: i assume you haven't looked at the voice ui problem? |
| 00:24:28 | Moos | coyote: but here it"s english language :( |
| 00:24:45 | Bagder | englishenglishenglishenglish |
| 00:24:50 | linuxstb | preglow: No I haven't. Not much time for Rockbox recently. |
| 00:24:52 | Moos | hehe :) |
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| 00:25:00 | preglow | argh |
| 00:25:08 | sharpe | and i completed my first degree at the university of birmingham, and i have a PhD in Sport and Exercise Sciences, and a BSc in Sport and Exercise Sciences. |
| 00:25:10 | linuxstb | Looking at your sound settings commit - have you looked at how much the Wolfson codecs can do? |
| 00:25:12 | coyote10 | the software is at language english |
| 00:25:13 | preglow | with gcc 4.1 the crash happens in an even more fucked up address |
| 00:25:15 | sharpe | i did not know this about me. |
| 00:25:22 | preglow | linuxstb: no, not at all, actually |
| 00:25:26 | Mikachu | preglow: more fucked up than c0edbabe? |
| 00:25:39 | Moos | coyote10: yes |
| 00:25:39 | preglow | Mikachu: no, no indeed |
| 00:25:44 | preglow | Mikachu: that still disturbs me |
| 00:25:53 | coyote10 | i like the SO unix and linux |
| 00:26:04 | Mikachu | hehe, yeah that was weird |
| 00:26:04 | sharpe | ookay, i'll go back to my corner now. |
| 00:26:08 | coyote10 | i love Linux |
| 00:26:24 | preglow | sharpe: i'm a taekwondo sensei |
| 00:26:31 | preglow | sharpe: apparently |
| 00:26:46 | sharpe | i also apparantly have many entries about 'Matt's Bridge' in a search for my name. |
| 00:26:54 | Moos | coyote10: Rockbox is for your player a bit like Linux for your PC (in the spirit) |
| 00:26:54 | coyote10 | you have a scrennshot of rockbox? |
| 00:26:56 | sharpe | i bet you can't guess what my name is. |
| 00:27:15 | Mikachu | i'm a hockey player |
| 00:27:24 | herz42 | btw: how about the patch for constant lineout volume for the devices that support different volumes? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4814 (seems to work for ipod 4g and 5g at least) |
| 00:27:25 | Moos | coyote10: what kind of mp3 player have you? |
| 00:27:55 | coyote10 | i see what rockbox is a good software for do rockolas |
| 00:27:57 | preglow | herz42: i say commit it |
| 00:28:05 | preglow | herz42: if it works as it should |
| 00:28:21 | Moos | coyote10: check the rockbox.org site for more infos |
| 00:28:21 | herz42 | I did program like I think it should ;) |
| 00:28:36 | sharpe | and there is apparantly someone who is 20, and lives in tennessee with my name |
| 00:28:46 | coyote10 | ok thanks you |
| 00:28:56 | Moos | no problemo |
| 00:29:06 | preglow | isn't using 'extern' in a h file a bit redundant? |
| 00:29:21 | Bagder | it is |
| 00:29:25 | sharpe | and also i guess i play for the marlins... |
| 00:29:53 | preglow | and yeah |
| 00:29:59 | coyote10 | digipop who is? |
| 00:30:03 | linuxstb | preglow: The 5g has what I think is a stereo width feature - called "3D stereo enhancement" in the datasheet. I'm sure the Wolfson DACs can do most of the channel configuration stuff as well. |
| 00:30:06 | preglow | i say line out should always be fixed volume, if possible |
| 00:30:06 | herz42 | preglow: I just addapted to the style that was present |
| 00:30:08 | preglow | no new setting for this |
| 00:30:16 | sharpe | okay, i'm done for now. i'll talk to everyone later tonight i guess. |
| 00:30:18 | preglow | anyone agree? |
| 00:30:20 | Moos | Bagder: hey, sweet pic in the CVS build page for X5 :-) |
| 00:30:37 | Bagder | Moos: got it from someone in the forums |
| 00:30:40 | preglow | linuxstb: i haven't got time to look at it now, this needed doing anyway |
| 00:30:46 | herz42 | preglow: I wouldn't mind. Just thought there could be others... |
| 00:30:51 | Moos | Bagder: cool that was quick :) |
| 00:31:00 | linuxstb | preglow: No problem. I agree a software implementation is good to have. |
| 00:31:11 | preglow | i want to fix the wav bug and voice ui bug before i go to bed, but it's starting to look dim |
| 00:31:56 | Moos | Good night or whatever at all ! |
| 00:32:01 | preglow | the last i know is that preventing rockbox from loading the voice ui codec prevents the crash |
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| 00:32:35 | preglow | but the codec loading function is the same for voice and main codec, so i don't get what goes wrong |
| 00:33:39 | linuxstb | Are you happy it's not cache related? |
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| 00:34:25 | preglow | i can't imagine how it can be |
| 00:34:45 | preglow | i get an illinstr at an address that shouldn't be affected |
| 00:34:51 | webguest69 | anyone feeling sexy tonight, sorry just had to make use of my nick number :) |
| 00:35:04 | preglow | but then again |
| 00:35:07 | preglow | the address varies, now |
| 00:35:17 | preglow | i have a feeling this bug'll give me a headache |
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| 00:36:11 | preglow | ahhh |
| 00:36:15 | preglow | now the bug is in plugin_load |
| 00:36:22 | preglow | how the flaming hell is that possible |
| 00:36:24 | preglow | that should not be called |
| 00:37:15 | preglow | and now in the data segment |
| 00:37:17 | preglow | i don't get this |
| 00:38:38 | linuxstb | Have you narrowed down when the crash happens? |
| 00:39:40 | preglow | the closest i have come is that commenting out the lines after 2118 fixes it |
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| 00:40:03 | preglow | only tested on nano |
| 00:40:08 | preglow | the bug is so random i can't guarantee this is the final thing |
| 00:40:15 | preglow | in playback.c, btw |
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| 00:45:25 | preglow | i have tried both reiniting the cache (which makes rockbox hang) and reading a bunch of memory as part of invalidate_icache |
| 00:45:31 | preglow | the bug refuses to vanish |
| 00:45:47 | preglow | i almost suspect the cop ... |
| 00:45:52 | linuxstb | Have you tried not enabling the cache ? |
| 00:46:03 | preglow | good idea |
| 00:46:04 | webguest38 | How come the quickmenu is ordered in lines, and not in each side and at the bottom? |
| 00:46:07 | preglow | very good idea |
| 00:46:14 | preglow | i've got to be an idiot for not thinking of it |
| 00:46:40 | Mikachu | you're norwegian |
| 00:46:42 | * | Mikachu ducks |
| 00:47:28 | preglow | thank god! |
| 00:47:30 | preglow | it still crashes |
| 00:47:42 | preglow | Mikachu: i'm not going to start arguing about that point |
| 00:47:46 | preglow | norwegians are idiots, face it |
| 00:47:59 | Mikachu | heh |
| 00:48:34 | preglow | linuxstb: a data abort in uie |
| 00:48:36 | preglow | -... |
| 00:48:38 | Mikachu | but you have the same jokes about swedish don't you? |
| 00:48:58 | webguest38 | What does "Custom" mean in the channel setting? |
| 00:49:38 | preglow | linuxstb: with the cause of the data abort seeming to be an illegal pc value passed to uie |
| 00:49:48 | preglow | linuxstb: so i'm guessing we're corrupting some memory somewhere |
| 00:50:32 | preglow | now, illinstr in rockbox_browse |
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| 00:50:58 | * | BoD[] goes to bed |
| 00:51:15 | BoD[] | byebye |
| 00:51:35 | BoD[] | sorry again for the false bug |
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| 00:52:14 | preglow | Mikachu: same jokes, sure, haha |
| 00:52:35 | preglow | Mikachu: lots of swedish jokes, plus a ton of "svensken, dansken og nordmannen" jokes |
| 00:52:44 | preglow | i don't know if you've got anything like the last |
| 00:53:07 | webguest38 | Sound settings seem to work nicely for me. H1x0 |
| 00:53:11 | preglow | webguest38: thanks |
| 00:53:54 | webguest38 | What does Channels: Custom mean though? |
| 00:54:05 | preglow | webguest38: stereo width |
| 00:54:13 | webguest38 | Ah, okay |
| 00:54:16 | preglow | webguest38: if you've got any of the other channel settings set, that option wont work |
| 00:54:27 | preglow | webguest38: i think it's a bit confusing myself, but that's the way it is from the olden days,apparently |
| 00:54:31 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: want to quick try a patch for bubbles? |
| 00:54:33 | Mikachu | preglow: heh, we have svensken, dansken och bellman |
| 00:54:38 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: okay |
| 00:54:38 | webguest38 | Not exactly obvious (not your fault of course, no) |
| 00:54:43 | preglow | Mikachu: bellman? |
| 00:54:51 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/aboot2/www/bubbles/bubbles.diff |
| 00:54:57 | Mikachu | preglow: a swedish poet from the 1600 century or so i think |
| 00:55:01 | preglow | hahaha |
| 00:55:09 | Mikachu | preglow: he is always the last in the joke to do the crazy thing |
| 00:55:28 | preglow | haha |
| 00:55:30 | preglow | that's a good analogue, then |
| 00:55:51 | Mikachu | there's also a good norwegian-swedish dictionary |
| 00:56:00 | Mikachu | brusestol = toalett, guleböj = banan |
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| 00:56:46 | preglow | Mikachu: the swede is usually the bellman in our jokes, then :P |
| 00:56:51 | * | webguest38 is surprised to discover that you can't go back in the WPS-context menu |
| 00:56:53 | Mikachu | heh, okay |
| 00:57:03 | webguest38 | That is, pressing left will dump you to the WPS |
| 00:57:09 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: i don't care so much now but if you ever want someone to road the patch you should use -pud :) |
| 00:57:48 | preglow | Mikachu: first the norwegian does whatever, the dane follows up with something logical, then the swede acts the fool |
| 00:57:54 | Mikachu | hehe |
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| 00:58:06 | Mikachu | the bellman jokes can have any two nationalities and bellman |
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| 00:58:38 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:58:48 | Mikachu | http://123an.tjosan.se/bellman.html |
| 00:59:43 | Mikachu | (for swedishreading people only) |
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| 01:00:08 | preglow | haha |
| 01:00:13 | preglow | i love reading swedish |
| 01:00:27 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: my test case didn't crash, ie i went to level 21 and shot a red ball, and it didn't crash |
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| 01:00:41 | Mikachu | RotAtoR: i'm going to bed now, i'll play for a while and let you know tomorrow if it survived |
| 01:00:47 | RotAtoR | Mikachu: good, thanks for testing |
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| 01:01:36 | RotAtoR | I just hope I didn't accidently break anything else :p |
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| 01:04:15 | preglow | Mikachu: ahaha, a couple of these jokes are great |
| 01:05:35 | sharpe | i should learn swedish |
| 01:05:51 | sharpe | just like i should learn finnish. |
| 01:05:52 | lostlogic | did anyone write up the proposed solution to button ifdef hell that we talked abou tat devcon? |
| 01:06:54 | preglow | if zagor hasn't, i don't think anyone has |
| 01:07:28 | lostlogic | I will then... sometime after you europeans go to sleep tonight probably :-P |
| 01:07:31 | Zagor | i mentioned it briefly in DevconNotes |
| 01:07:46 | lostlogic | k, I'll link from there then. |
| 01:08:35 | preglow | oh, bloody great |
| 01:08:37 | herz42 | preglow: a stripped patch for always fixed lineout volume is now in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4814 |
| 01:08:50 | preglow | gcc 4.1 spits out warnings that are false |
| 01:09:03 | preglow | it claims that line 479 in pcmbuf.c is computed but never used |
| 01:09:19 | preglow | herz42: i still want to know what people think about it, i see no reason for an option there, but some people might disagree |
| 01:09:26 | preglow | i think line out having full scale volume always makes sense |
| 01:10:09 | herz42 | preglow: same here. usually line out is full scale per definition. |
| 01:10:39 | lostlogic | preglow: gah, 4.1 is dumb... how can it know that a value in memory isn't used!? |
| 01:10:48 | herz42 | and I don't know of a device that is connceted to the dock that is not able to regulate volume |
| 01:11:34 | lostlogic | herz42: I've had problems with using full scale line out causing clipping with my car tape adapter. |
| 01:11:43 | lostlogic | that was on H3x0 though which didnt' have a 'real' lineout |
| 01:12:25 | preglow | lostlogic: that can hardly be called rockbox' fault |
| 01:12:48 | lostlogic | preglow: regardless of fault, our point is to make audio jukeboxes more useful. |
| 01:12:50 | linuxstb | I know people complain about the quality of the headphone out on the ipod, and some use the lineout instead (which is a cleaner audio path). Those people may want a volume control. |
| 01:13:05 | linuxstb | But I think it's fixed under the Apple firmware. |
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| 01:13:08 | herz42 | ok, so maybe we should really get some more comments. A third option would be to make the volume changeable, but independent from the hp volume. But that wouldn't help the option flood again... |
| 01:13:55 | herz42 | linuxstb: under apple fw it's indeed fixed |
| 01:14:14 | bluebrother^ | which devices all have a remote? |
| 01:16:06 | preglow | from all the complains i've read about line out not being fixed on irier, i would seriously have guessed that people want a fixed lint out volume |
| 01:16:31 | preglow | linuxstb: using line out for headphones??? |
| 01:16:40 | preglow | linuxstb: have apple connected an amp to it or what? |
| 01:16:52 | webguest38 | preglow: But the people who don't wouldn't be saying a word |
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| 01:17:02 | webguest38 | Since it's already how they want it |
| 01:17:12 | preglow | 'course not, but the point was valid |
| 01:17:15 | JdGordon | noo.. dont fix the line-out volume.. my headfone port doesnt work so well.. i get distortion if i use the headfone instead of lineout.. |
| 01:17:24 | preglow | most equipment operate with a fixed line out volume |
| 01:17:36 | preglow | JdGordon: we can't fix the iriver line out |
| 01:17:42 | JdGordon | oh good :) |
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| 01:18:49 | linuxstb | preglow: I tested the line-out on my 4g briefly with my headphones, and it seemed to be very similar to the headphone out. A little quieter IIRC. |
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| 01:19:27 | herz42 | preglow: the two dacs in the WM codecs of the ipods are both able to drive headphones. Although one is more powerfull and would allow a mono speaker with more power |
| 01:19:52 | webguest38 | My old MD player had a non-fixed line out too |
| 01:19:58 | herz42 | of course requiring a differnt application |
| 01:22:07 | preglow | herz42: right |
| 01:22:34 | preglow | then there might indeed be some point in allowing the volume to vary |
| 01:22:47 | Kyomi | yay |
| 01:22:52 | Kyomi | Alright.... |
| 01:23:07 | Kyomi | Updating your firmware once a week isn't going to be enough is it? |
| 01:23:32 | herz42 | always get the latest bugs ;) |
| 01:23:44 | Kyomi | lol |
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| 01:26:46 | preglow | linuxstb: my goodness, the ipod really has no chance to do anything without the cache enabled |
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| 01:27:00 | preglow | _WITH_ the cache enabled |
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| 01:27:34 | preglow | ahaha |
| 01:27:36 | preglow | it can't even decode flac |
| 01:27:56 | preglow | oh yes, with a small margin |
| 01:28:09 | midkay | what cache? |
| 01:28:16 | preglow | cpu cache? |
| 01:28:28 | midkay | ah. |
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| 01:32:33 | linuxstb | preglow: And the entire FLAC codec is in IRAM as well... |
| 01:33:54 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, it seems the cache has a massive impact |
| 01:34:32 | preglow | linuxstb: i actually can't understand how it can matter this much |
| 01:36:18 | linuxstb | I've also been confused by how little impact using IRAM has |
| 01:36:48 | preglow | we seriously need to do some tests on that one day |
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| 01:44:09 | Kyomi | I still wanna know why my rockbox says the model is H300...when it's H320 |
| 01:44:18 | Kyomi | Unless its just missing the word "series" |
| 01:44:51 | Kyomi | And who was the one saying something about a plugin in here that could play SID? |
| 01:44:51 | JdGordon | any chance of my text editor plugn being added? |
| 01:44:57 | webguest38 | It's just different terminology |
| 01:45:01 | crashd | hms |
| 01:45:14 | crashd | what's the correct way to push stuff into the framebuffer? |
| 01:45:19 | webguest38 | "Model" in rockbox lingo means models that run the same binaries |
| 01:45:27 | webguest38 | That is, h340 and h320 is one model |
| 01:45:30 | linuxstb | crashd: What kind of stuff? |
| 01:45:48 | preglow | linuxstb: it almost seems like the iram isn't sram at all |
| 01:45:56 | preglow | linuxstb: just some common address space for the two cpus |
| 01:46:02 | crashd | well, at the moment ive got a big old array 'buffer' |
| 01:46:10 | preglow | but then i don't see the point in increasing its size like they've done |
| 01:46:16 | preglow | 96kb should be ample |
| 01:47:40 | linuxstb | Reading the PP5020 product brief, it describes it as "Integrated 96KB of SRAM" and "Efficient cross-bar implementation providing zero wait state access to internal RAM" |
| 01:48:01 | crashd | linuxstb: it's a demo style plugin, im just really learning about the old rockbox plugin api |
| 01:48:05 | crashd | but, obviously, i need to use the fb for this |
| 01:48:25 | preglow | linuxstb: that answers that, then |
| 01:48:36 | preglow | linuxstb: still doesn't shed any light on why it's so goddamned slow, though |
| 01:49:03 | linuxstb | crashd: Look at something like the plasma or fire plugins - they do direct rendering in the framebuffer (and work on all targets, and use the grayscale library) |
| 01:49:28 | linuxstb | crashd: You basically just write to the rb->lcd_framebuffer[] array. |
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| 01:49:52 | linuxstb | And then call rb->lcd_update() to write the framebuffer on the LCD. |
| 01:50:13 | crashd | ahright, |
| 01:50:20 | crashd | what's the pixel format? or can you just use LCD_RGBPACK ? |
| 01:50:25 | JdGordon | "Enabled channel configuration and stereo width option on software codec platforms." does that mean kareoke should work of h300 now? |
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| 01:50:51 | preglow | JdGordon: yes |
| 01:50:56 | preglow | JdGordon: thought it sounds like crap |
| 01:50:56 | JdGordon | cool |
| 01:50:57 | linuxstb | crashd: You should always use LCD_RGBPACK - the format can vary with different LCDs (there are currently two different RGB565 formats supported by Rockbox) |
| 01:51:12 | Kyomi | JdGordon... I have to be honest... I first thought of Gordon Freeman when I saw that ^^; |
| 01:51:16 | crashd | kk |
| 01:51:22 | crashd | ill give it a spin, cheers linuxstb |
| 01:51:43 | JdGordon | Kyomi: no, im much cooler |
| 01:51:49 | JdGordon | and have bigger guns :p |
| 01:52:06 | Kyomi | Car Adapter Mode... what be that? |
| 01:52:09 | linuxstb | crashd: Whereever possible, use LCD_RGBPACK with constants, so the packing can be done at compile-time. |
| 01:52:14 | Kyomi | When your using a FM Transmitter? |
| 01:52:53 | webguest38 | Kyomi: It makes the player shut off when power is disconnected |
| 01:53:10 | webguest38 | That should really be named "Shutdown on power disconnect" or something |
| 01:53:26 | webguest38 | Unless there's more to it and I'm making a fool of myself |
| 01:54:24 | Kyomi | Theres things in here that sould be named something else :P |
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| 01:55:40 | linuxstb | Yes, looking at the code, there does seem to be more to it than that. There is a car adapter mode thread running which monitors things, and (I think) resumes/pauses playback based on external power. |
| 01:56:03 | herz42 | webguest38: there's more - it starts playback when power is connceted again :) |
| 01:58:33 | preglow | i might have a paid assigmnent utilising this for the ipod |
| 01:58:37 | preglow | which reminds me i need to open mine up... |
| 01:58:48 | Kyomi | Whats the boost counter about it? |
| 01:58:58 | Kyomi | Is that like overclocking your mp3 player? |
| 01:59:03 | preglow | Kyomi: no, just reclocking |
| 01:59:12 | Kyomi | Ahhhh |
| 01:59:14 | preglow | Kyomi: there's nothing 'over' about it, it's all within design limits |
| 01:59:18 | Kyomi | Sooo... dont mess with it? |
| 01:59:23 | preglow | no, don't |
| 01:59:28 | crashd | preglow: what's the deal with the timer in rockbox? |
| 01:59:28 | preglow | rockbox will do it itself when it can |
| 01:59:33 | preglow | crashd: what timer |
| 01:59:51 | crashd | well, i need a timer of some sort, and i seem to recall you saying you'd been using one |
| 01:59:54 | crashd | for pwm or some such |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:07 | preglow | timer.c, yeah |
| 02:00:16 | preglow | there's that, and there's the tick timer |
| 02:00:19 | preglow | which is always available |
| 02:00:22 | preglow | but has a resolution of 10ms |
| 02:00:27 | crashd | hazum |
| 02:02:10 | Kyomi | *sigh* |
| 02:02:31 | Kyomi | I wish when they say something is 20GB there is actually 20GB of usable space |
| 02:02:36 | crashd | can you just use get_ticks? |
| 02:02:48 | Kyomi | Not like 20GB - whatever windows or anything else wants |
| 02:02:53 | preglow | current_tick is what's used |
| 02:02:56 | preglow | it's a variable |
| 02:03:02 | crashd | ah, ok |
| 02:03:16 | crashd | thanks |
| 02:03:23 | preglow | you're welcome |
| 02:03:55 | webguest38 | Kyomi: 20GB is 20GB.. people just mix up base-2 and base-10 based definitions. It's infuriating. |
| 02:04:09 | preglow | which is why you should use GB and GiB |
| 02:04:15 | webguest38 | Amen. |
| 02:05:13 | Kyomi | Whats GiB? |
| 02:05:20 | Kyomi | I never knew that existed |
| 02:05:49 | Kyomi | So what you are saying is my 20GB player has 20GB of usable space even though it reports max size as 18.3GB? |
| 02:05:59 | webguest38 | It's a relatively new term. It's meant to lessen the confusion, but people don't use it, sadly. |
| 02:06:11 | webguest38 | Well, that's 20GB of usable space, and it should be reporting 18.3GiB |
| 02:06:25 | Kyomi | Lemme rephrase that |
| 02:06:30 | Kyomi | 20GB of space I can use |
| 02:06:36 | Kyomi | Or I can put stuff on |
| 02:06:37 | Kyomi | And store |
| 02:06:49 | webguest38 | The problem is what the "G" means. |
| 02:06:53 | Kyomi | Not for whatever other thing wants to take 1.7GB from me |
| 02:07:05 | JdGordon | Kyomi: no, 20GB is 20*10^9 (?or 12) bytes, 20GiB has 2^9 byes.. different base |
| 02:07:21 | Kyomi | I have a 120GB drive in my PC and I can only use like 112 of it >_< |
| 02:07:31 | herz42 | 2^9 is not too much ;) |
| 02:07:39 | Kyomi | Apparently windows thinks it needs 8 gigs for...something... |
| 02:07:44 | webguest38 | Isn't it more like 2^20? |
| 02:07:56 | JdGordon | 20*2^9 or whatever it is |
| 02:08:05 | JdGordon | the missing 1.7gb is marketing BS |
| 02:08:16 | webguest38 | Kyomi: No, it's because your harddrive manufacturer is using GB=10^9, and windows is using GB=2^20 |
| 02:08:46 | webguest38 | JdGordon: I'd say it's software developers being cretins and misusing the decadic prefixes |
| 02:08:47 | Kyomi | Why can't someone just use the same thing |
| 02:08:57 | Kyomi | So people dont think they are getting shorted... |
| 02:09:04 | herz42 | maybe this explanation is simpler: one is calculated as 1000*1000*1000, the other as 1024*1024*1024 |
| 02:09:19 | webguest38 | Possibly. |
| 02:09:22 | JdGordon | webguest38: decadic? base 10 is 100% incorrect for computers |
| 02:09:24 | Kyomi | So wait |
| 02:09:39 | webguest38 | JdGordon: So they shouldn't use it. |
| 02:09:50 | Kyomi | Windows is using the 1024 one but the manufacturer is using the 1000 one? |
| 02:09:52 | webguest38 | If they want a base-2 based unit, invent one! |
| 02:10:02 | JdGordon | its the manufacturesre that use base 10.. makes their disks look bigger |
| 02:10:07 | herz42 | yes, that looks like more |
| 02:10:24 | webguest38 | They're using a correct definition though. |
| 02:10:25 | webguest38 | Software makers aren't. |
| 02:10:29 | Kyomi | Then when people get it, they get pissed at windows for supposedly taking 8gigs :P |
| 02:11:13 | webguest38 | It's all highly stupid. |
| 02:11:18 | * | Kyomi agrees |
| 02:11:29 | preglow | sweet moses |
| 02:11:35 | preglow | if this is the bug, i swear i'll scream |
| 02:11:44 | webguest38 | Uh-oh |
| 02:11:51 | Kyomi | Hmmmm.... |
| 02:11:53 | webguest38 | D'oh-moment coming up? |
| 02:12:08 | Kyomi | I tried to play a MIDI and it just sits there saying "loading patches" |
| 02:12:14 | herz42 | even Windows itself does it somehow - eg. some folder property shows: 62,3 MB (65.327.104 Bytes) |
| 02:12:22 | kclaf | preglow : whats the voice bug ? ;d |
| 02:12:32 | webguest38 | Kyomi: You need some files from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 02:12:33 | crashd | Kyomi: the midi 'patches' |
| 02:12:38 | preglow | pfew |
| 02:12:41 | preglow | haven't found it |
| 02:12:56 | preglow | wouldn't know |
| 02:13:01 | kclaf | oh k, thought u were speaking about it, sorry |
| 02:13:04 | preglow | i was |
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| 02:13:50 | Kyomi | Sooo... ummm |
| 02:13:53 | Kyomi | What do I need/ |
| 02:14:09 | webguest38 | Look under midi, towards the bottom |
| 02:14:20 | * | Kyomi sees SID and gets happy |
| 02:14:59 | webguest38 | Well, that's only information, nothing's includedin Rockbox yet |
| 02:15:03 | Kyomi | Ok ummm... |
| 02:15:14 | Kyomi | Do I just get the stuff with links saying "here"? |
| 02:15:47 | webguest38 | You only need the last one, I believe.. the patchset one |
| 02:15:57 | webguest38 | "This is available here. Extract its contents into the /.rockbox directory. Warning: file is around 22MB in size." that |
| 02:16:03 | Kyomi | k |
| 02:16:18 | Kyomi | And ummm... what is tbz2? |
| 02:16:27 | Kyomi | Some weird zip format? |
| 02:16:35 | webguest38 | tar.bz2 |
| 02:16:44 | Kyomi | Ooookkk..... |
| 02:17:03 | webguest38 | 7zip opens it, don't know about winzip |
| 02:17:21 | Kyomi | winrar I belieeve would |
| 02:17:57 | * | Kyomi wants to play SID now >_< |
| 02:18:43 | crashd | best get hacking then Kyomi |
| 02:18:43 | Kyomi | Why can't people just use ONE format? |
| 02:18:45 | crashd | it's almost 1:30 ;) |
| 02:19:02 | Kyomi | its almost 20:30 :P |
| 02:20:05 | crashd | heh |
| 02:20:08 | crashd | GMT :D |
| 02:20:17 | Kensir | Hey, I'm having a lot of trouble compiling Rockbox for the 5G with the doom patch |
| 02:20:26 | Kyomi | doom? |
| 02:20:28 | Kyomi | omg |
| 02:20:29 | Kensir | has anyone had some success? |
| 02:20:43 | Kyomi | That would sooo be awesome...Doom 1 for the H320 XD |
| 02:21:00 | Kyomi | Or Wolfenstein 3D :D |
| 02:21:27 | Spida | 2:20 here |
| 02:21:28 | Kyomi | god.... |
| 02:21:37 | Kyomi | HOw can I open this stupid thing now? |
| 02:21:47 | Kyomi | Why can't people use zip or rar ONLY |
| 02:21:49 | Kensir | I'll take taht as a no |
| 02:22:00 | Kyomi | Why does there have to be random formats noone cares about |
| 02:22:11 | kclaf | *g* |
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| 02:24:06 | * | Kyomi thinks someone should update this |
| 02:24:07 | Kyomi | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverTesting#Test_result |
| 02:24:16 | Kyomi | The results below refer to the following build: |
| 02:24:16 | Kyomi | daily 20050911 (Changes see: Daily build page) |
| 02:24:16 | Kyomi | Improvements: |
| 02:24:23 | Kyomi | 2005! |
| 02:24:55 | Xerion | hmm i just downloaded the midi patches and tried loading a file, it gets to "I hope this works..." and locks up :p |
| 02:25:10 | Kyomi | lol |
| 02:25:19 | webguest38 | Yeah, noone seem to be uploading the IriverTesting page |
| 02:25:30 | Kyomi | lemme guess... reset switch? |
| 02:25:51 | Xerion | yup :p |
| 02:26:10 | webguest38 | Kyomi: Hardly anyone uses zip or rar in the *nix world |
| 02:26:27 | webguest38 | Why can't people use tar.bz2 or tar.gz ONLY |
| 02:26:27 | webguest38 | :D |
| 02:26:51 | Kyomi | Because most people use windows :P |
| 02:27:13 | preglow | lots of people use zip |
| 02:27:15 | preglow | but rar, never |
| 02:27:26 | Kyomi | rar is superior :P |
| 02:27:31 | preglow | 7zip is better |
| 02:27:35 | preglow | and that has free tools |
| 02:27:44 | Kyomi | so does winrar |
| 02:27:47 | preglow | no |
| 02:27:47 | webguest38 | Everyone should use 7zip, really |
| 02:27:47 | Kyomi | Well... "free" ;) |
| 02:27:51 | preglow | no free compressor |
| 02:27:54 | Kyomi | OH! |
| 02:28:07 | Kyomi | Winrar : "Associate with: 7-Zip" |
| 02:28:09 | Kyomi | pwn :P |
| 02:28:40 | Kyomi | Why I said that... I dont knwo |
| 02:28:43 | Kyomi | know* |
| 02:30:27 | crashd | preglow: rb->current_ticks; ? |
| 02:31:09 | webguest38 | chrashd: Yes that |
| 02:31:18 | crashd | hehe, thanks webguest38 |
| 02:31:28 | Kyomi | oooo |
| 02:31:32 | Kyomi | someone changed the usb thingy |
| 02:31:43 | preglow | crashd: it's a pointer, probably |
| 02:31:44 | Kyomi | loads faster and different graphic |
| 02:32:15 | preglow | i don't get this bloody bug |
| 02:32:16 | preglow | ah |
| 02:32:16 | preglow | rghr |
| 02:32:30 | Kyomi | So that just goes into the .rockbox dir as patchset? |
| 02:32:37 | Kyomi | or the folder inside it |
| 02:34:03 | crashd | oh, cock it, someone else can write a travelling tunnel demo for rockbox |
| 02:34:03 | Kyomi | I've also heard about H320 optimized rockbox...whats that about? |
| 02:34:05 | crashd | im going to bed :P |
| 02:34:14 | Kyomi | lol |
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| 02:34:24 | midkay | crashd, haha. night. |
| 02:34:39 | JdGordon | Kyomi: its the regular build with some added patches which are nice to have |
| 02:34:47 | JdGordon | or was... needleboy stopped doing it |
| 02:34:52 | Kyomi | |
| 02:34:55 | Kyomi | :( |
| 02:36:13 | Kyomi | So... theoretically... my midi file should work now... right? |
| 02:36:39 | JdGordon | why ould u want midi on an mp3 player??? *wierdso* |
| 02:36:50 | Kyomi | Because |
| 02:36:54 | Kyomi | I want SID on there too |
| 02:36:58 | Kyomi | And S3M |
| 02:36:59 | Kyomi | MOD |
| 02:37:09 | Kyomi | Because I <3 them :) |
| 02:37:23 | * | JdGordon head explodes.. too many acronyms |
| 02:37:28 | Kyomi | Argh.. it just sit theres |
| 02:37:32 | Kyomi | I hope this worked |
| 02:37:35 | Kyomi | works* |
| 02:37:38 | Kyomi | And stops :( |
| 02:37:48 | Xerion | same as i got ;) |
| 02:38:10 | preglow | XM |
| 02:38:13 | preglow | IT |
| 02:38:49 | preglow | bunches of good music there, yeas |
| 02:39:47 | Kyomi | *sigh* |
| 02:39:55 | Kyomi | Someone work on MID at least... pretty please? |
| 02:40:52 | preglow | no can do |
| 02:41:04 | preglow | if i'm going to work on anything, it'll be mods |
| 02:41:22 | preglow | but, no, i can't see that happening |
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| 02:41:45 | preglow | but no |
| 02:41:48 | preglow | i seriously need to sleep |
| 02:41:50 | preglow | later, all |
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| 02:42:17 | Kyomi | o.O |
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| 02:43:31 | Kyomi | Heyy... |
| 02:43:34 | Kyomi | I think it works |
| 02:43:40 | Kyomi | I was about to press reset |
| 02:43:51 | Kyomi | And it said "FINISHED PLAYING" and returned to the menu |
| 02:44:00 | Kyomi | But no wps on it though :( |
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| 02:45:22 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd! |
| 02:45:28 | Kyomi | I think the midi thing works |
| 02:45:36 | Kyomi | But there is no wps thingy for it |
| 02:46:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: The midi thing is about 3/4 done, really |
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| 02:47:16 | Kyomi | ahhh |
| 02:47:23 | Kyomi | I wanna learn how to do this :P |
| 02:47:27 | Kyomi | So I can work on SID ^^ |
| 02:47:28 | webguest38 | It's not integrated in the regular playback system, so it just does its own thing, which is somewhat unsatisfactory |
| 02:47:36 | Kyomi | And make all of the geeks happy ^_^ |
| 02:47:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not tied into the codec architecture, so it doesn't load the WPS, and they can't really be put in a playlist, but it *can* play *some* midi file. I think audio for it is disabled at the moment though (I haven't checked recently, so I don't know if the recent patch for it ever got applied that enables its audio) |
| 02:48:30 | * | Kyomi gets her headphones |
| 02:48:31 | Kyomi | brb D: |
| 02:48:32 | Kyomi | :D |
| 02:49:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately the most recent round of optimizations just got some things working "good enough" to get things in Doom working. |
| 02:50:12 | Kyomi | Doom? |
| 02:50:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, doom is working? and that's unforunate? what? :) |
| 02:50:17 | Kyomi | Please say thats the game |
| 02:50:32 | midkay | it is. it's a patch.. |
| 02:50:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It is. Doom and Doom II |
| 02:50:48 | Kyomi | OMFG |
| 02:50:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's unfortunate that Karl didn't follow through. |
| 02:50:51 | Kyomi | WHERE?!? |
| 02:50:56 | webguest38 | Doom uses the midi plugin? |
| 02:51:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It's a little on the err... difficult side to get it working at the moment |
| 02:51:14 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, what do you mean follow through? he hasn't worked on it yet, or he.. gave up? |
| 02:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: If you wait about a month, they're hoping to include it in the official build by Mayday |
| 02:51:16 | * | Kyomi is too much of a geek not to get it |
| 02:51:22 | midkay | Kyomi, calm down.. :) |
| 02:51:31 | Kyomi | Yay :D |
| 02:51:35 | Kyomi | Doom on H320 :D |
| 02:51:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: He did *just* enough work to take what he needed from it for Doom, if I understand. So it's not really finished, just less unfinished |
| 02:51:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: I'm not exactly sure what he needed from it, but he did some work on it in relation to doom somehow |
| 02:52:02 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, you're talking about the midi codec then. |
| 02:52:32 | * | Kyomi bounces around excited now |
| 02:52:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's more of a viewer than a codec still |
| 02:53:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It played the Monkey Island theme for me at about... oh 1/2 - 3/4 realtime (portions of it with just one instrument were realtime) |
| 02:53:21 | midkay | ah.. |
| 02:54:09 | Xerion | i didn't get any sound from the midi plugin |
| 02:54:18 | Kyomi | I dunno |
| 02:54:26 | Kyomi | But I was about to push reset |
| 02:54:38 | Kyomi | And it said FINISHED PLAYING and got back to the menu |
| 02:56:26 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 02:56:37 | Kyomi | I wonder if any of the Raptor midi's would work |
| 02:56:42 | Kyomi | omg.. |
| 02:56:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Xerion: I'm about 80% sure the one in CVS doesn't output sound. It just decodes in memory, but never plays |
| 02:56:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Raptor: Call of the Shadows? |
| 02:56:56 | Xerion | ah k |
| 02:56:58 | Kyomi | Yes :D |
| 02:57:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Man, I miss that game. |
| 02:57:04 | Kyomi | Someone should port that |
| 02:57:10 | Kyomi | It's perfect |
| 02:57:15 | Xerion | tyrian was much better than raptor :p |
| 02:57:19 | Kyomi | All it uses is direction buttons |
| 02:57:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it were Open Sourced, someone might,but I don't believe it is. |
| 02:57:22 | Kyomi | Bah |
| 02:57:30 | Kyomi | Doom is open source? |
| 02:57:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 02:57:54 | Kyomi | Well I know 3DR released duke nukem and shadow warrior |
| 02:58:04 | Kyomi | I dunno about raptor |
| 02:58:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | id has actually released Doom/DoomII, and Quake 1-3 under the GPL |
| 02:58:23 | Kyomi | quake 3?! |
| 02:58:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 02:58:29 | Kyomi | Jesus.. thats... pretty recent |
| 02:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Quake 3 was sometime last year. |
| 02:58:37 | midkay | haha. what was it, 1998? |
| 02:58:42 | midkay | i mean the.. game. |
| 02:58:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 02:58:45 | webguest38 | There are a bunch of opensource side/bottom-scrollers |
| 02:58:49 | * | Kyomi snags quake 1 for the full version and cackles |
| 02:59:07 | Kyomi | Although... I never finished quake 2 :( |
| 02:59:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, it's just the engine that's open sourced, not the levels. But take a look at Tenebrae to see some nice things done with the Quake 1 engine |
| 02:59:44 | Kyomi | Tenebrae? |
| 02:59:48 | Kyomi | link me :D |
| 02:59:52 | webguest38 | "Rafkill is a clone of Raptor: Call of the Shadows, a classic shoot'em-up game." |
| 02:59:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://tenebrae.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=screenshots.txt |
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| 03:00:39 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 03:00:49 | Kyomi | I'm just listening to music from a "joke" game |
| 03:00:53 | Kyomi | I'M OK :P |
| 03:00:59 | Kyomi | It had some pretty nice music |
| 03:01:33 | Kyomi | Mmmm... Metroid Prime music :D |
| 03:01:40 | Kyomi | <3 menu music |
| 03:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Do you listen to OCRemixes? |
| 03:02:01 | Kyomi | Somewhat |
| 03:02:08 | Kyomi | I have a few from Doom II |
| 03:02:28 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, wtf... dynamic stencil shadows? in quake 1? |
| 03:02:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah. I just got the torrents for the first 1500 (which are actually about 1380) |
| 03:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: And pixel shaders. |
| 03:02:46 | midkay | nutso.. |
| 03:03:01 | midkay | 55.6s for a recorder build on vmware. :) |
| 03:03:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's been around for a few years now. They were kinda "Yeah, here's what Doom 3 is supposed to look like.... in Quake" |
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| 03:03:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha. it actually looks pretty 'ew'. :) |
| 03:03:22 | Kyomi | lol |
| 03:03:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, those screenshots are old, and the bumpmaps are generated based on grayscale versions of the textures. In properly prepared levels it looks pretty damn good. |
| 03:03:55 | Kyomi | You know... I heard some things about this |
| 03:04:03 | midkay | the textures and the models.. stencil shadows are pointless, there are only like 2 polygons per character that actually cast them.. :) |
| 03:04:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, nice.. |
| 03:04:47 | Kyomi | haha |
| 03:04:50 | Kyomi | I love the faces |
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| 03:04:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: They even allow lightsources to cast textured lights, so like, that stained glass window in the original hallway casts a multi-colored light that you see showing in several colors on your gun as you walk through it. :) |
| 03:04:56 | Kyomi | one flat polygon |
| 03:05:13 | midkay | pretty nice.. |
| 03:05:23 | midkay | Kyomi, haha, yeah.. |
| 03:05:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It was impressive for a little while, when it first showed up a few years back. |
| 03:05:46 | midkay | what's next.. stencil shadows from doom's sprite characters.. :\ |
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| 03:05:56 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i can imagine, if it was a few years ago.. |
| 03:06:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Hm... I don't think that's in Doom Legacy *yet* |
| 03:06:26 | Kyomi | Doom Legacy? |
| 03:06:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Though there are "dynamic" light sources for projectiles, and coloured lighting in it I believe. |
| 03:06:38 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, yeah.. |
| 03:06:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It's a source port of Doom. Adds graphical improvements, 32-player multiplay, etc. |
| 03:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the main advantage it has is "It actually runs alright in windows XP" |
| 03:07:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, I must go for a bit. Be back in 10 |
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| 03:07:38 | Kyomi | I thought thats what zDoom was about? |
| 03:07:50 | Kyomi | because I have that |
| 03:07:58 | Kyomi | Which is awesome |
| 03:07:59 | Kyomi | Becaues |
| 03:08:13 | Kyomi | You can just copy and paste the exe in with Heretic and Hexen |
| 03:08:24 | Kyomi | And it becomes zHeretic and zHexen and runs great in xp |
| 03:08:34 | midkay | Kyomi, there are more than one project for a somewhat similar goal.. :) |
| 03:08:36 | Kyomi | Although.... it doesn't like xp64 bit though |
| 03:08:44 | Kyomi | Which one is the best? |
| 03:09:05 | Kyomi | I remember this doom port using the Doom 3 engine.. they were redoing doom 1 :) |
| 03:09:07 | midkay | you can't really pick one winner, can you?.. i've only tried doom legacy, and it's quite nice.. |
| 03:09:19 | Kyomi | linky :D |
| 03:09:20 | midkay | that'd be pretty cool.. |
| 03:09:31 | midkay | http://google.com/search?q=doom+legacy |
| 03:09:31 | Kyomi | There was only a few levels done |
| 03:09:36 | Kyomi | It was actually quite nice :) |
| 03:09:45 | Kyomi | Bah.. you can't give me a direct link? |
| 03:09:53 | midkay | Kyomi, there are a few (mods, not ports) doing that.. |
| 03:10:03 | midkay | Kyomi, what's the big deal? it takes five seconds to click the first link on that page.. |
| 03:10:51 | Kyomi | Yes... so..how about asking yourself the same question? :P |
| 03:11:13 | Xerion | lol |
| 03:11:19 | midkay | because you're the one that wants the page.. try doing something on your own for once, you might enjoy it. :) |
| 03:12:20 | Kyomi | I did :P |
| 03:12:32 | Kyomi | I found out the midi plugin hardly works :P |
| 03:12:33 | midkay | good job. :) |
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| 03:13:03 | Kyomi | Wait... |
| 03:13:06 | Kyomi | http://tenebrae.sourceforge.net/shots8/quake00029.jpg |
| 03:13:14 | Kyomi | Is he in WATER with the LIGHTNING gun? |
| 03:13:45 | midkay | i guess, yes? |
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| 03:14:52 | Kyomi | I wish games would get smart |
| 03:15:00 | webguest38 | Interesting.. you can hold Stop, and insert UBS just before it's going to shutdown, and it'll be in a state of limbo, confused the hell out of windows (h1x0) |
| 03:15:01 | Kyomi | If you fire a lightning gun in water... you die |
| 03:15:16 | Kyomi | webguest38: XD |
| 03:15:40 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 03:15:57 | Kyomi | It's a lil disheartening that the last release was in 2004 (doom legacy) |
| 03:16:36 | midkay | Kyomi, maybe they're not working on it anymore? :) |
| 03:17:46 | Kyomi | But whyyyyyy :( |
| 03:17:59 | Kyomi | There was a news post towards the end of 2005 |
| 03:18:37 | midkay | well, maybe it was a status update. |
| 03:19:01 | midkay | it ran very well last time i used it - maybe there is nothing much left to do. |
| 03:19:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was |
| 03:19:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It says "The move to C++ is going well, plus we added lots of new features" (which they do not disclose) |
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| 03:20:47 | midkay | ah. |
| 03:21:30 | unhcr | hey |
| 03:21:36 | unhcr | i just wanted to say |
| 03:21:39 | unhcr | great job on the x5! |
| 03:22:36 | midkay | bbiab. |
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| 03:26:37 | sharpe | woo. |
| 03:26:49 | Kyomi | hoo. |
| 03:27:01 | sharpe | new |
| 03:28:47 | Kyomi | ? |
| 03:30:44 | sharpe | hell if i know. |
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| 03:33:54 | Kyomi | Im confused.... |
| 03:35:06 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wanders afk to play Metroid Prime Hunters. |
| 03:35:56 | sharpe | but he does not wander away from electronics... |
| 03:37:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually I'm still here, I'm just less likely to answer pleas for help |
| 03:37:45 | sharpe | heh... |
| 03:39:12 | sharpe | but i was still right either way... |
| 03:39:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very true |
| 03:41:05 | sharpe | unless you figured out a way to play metroid prime using bioluminescent materials, and sticks and stuff for controls. |
| 03:41:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm still waiting on my human brain for processing. Those things are hard to come by |
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| 03:42:01 | sharpe | yeah, always have to wait for those organ donors... |
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| 03:57:28 | Kyomi | bai bai |
| 03:57:34 | Kyomi | be back tommorrow :D |
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| 05:02:52 | RoC_MM | how to delete bookmarks on ipod? It says push "ON+Play" |
| 05:03:10 | RoC_MM | There is no ON on the ipod and I can't find any other working combos that make it delete the bookmarks |
| 05:03:47 | Kummer | I always just go to the folder view, find the bookmark, and hold select |
| 05:04:36 | RoC_MM | i have a file named "Talk" because that is the folder the mp3 was in |
| 05:04:52 | RoC_MM | but if I open it it's like opening "recent bookmarks" |
| 05:05:00 | | Part omp |
| 05:05:04 | RoC_MM | and I dont' want to delete all bookmarks |
| 05:06:36 | Kummer | that file should have a .bmark extension |
| 05:06:56 | Kummer | if you hold down select on the file, and choose delete, it shows you the extension and asks if you want to delete it |
| 05:10:20 | RoC_MM | it seems the file contains more than one bookmarks |
| 05:10:32 | RoC_MM | it contains all the bookmarks for that folder, and I only want to delete one bookmark |
| 05:11:58 | Kummer | you may be out of luck. The more drastic solution is to edit the file on the computer. |
| 05:12:09 | Kummer | I never figured out what "ON+Play" was supposed to mean |
| 05:14:05 | RoC_MM | I think it has something to do with the buttons on the other players rockbox is made for |
| 05:14:21 | Kummer | the ipod has way fewer buttons than any other player |
| 05:14:27 | RoC_MM | you think? |
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| 05:21:32 | Kummer | #elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_3G_PAD) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD) |
| 05:21:35 | Kummer | #define BOOKMARK_DELETE (BUTTON_RIGHT | BUTTON_REPEAT) |
| 05:23:04 | Kummer | so, it looks like holding down the right button deletes a bookmark |
| 05:23:24 | Kummer | I just tested it. It's very easy to accidentally delete more than one bookmark by holding down the button too long |
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| 05:47:35 | afruff23 | to me, the X5 is made for people with proficient left-hand thumbs |
| 05:48:08 | afruff23 | You use your index and middle finger fo your left hand for side buttons |
| 05:48:14 | afruff23 | and your left thumb for the joystick |
| 05:51:02 | afruff23 | anyone there? |
| 05:51:37 | Kummer | nope, it's middle of the night in europe |
| 05:51:54 | dpassen1 | i'm here |
| 05:51:56 | afruff23 | IT's 11:51 PM in the states |
| 05:51:58 | afruff23 | east coast |
| 05:52:10 | Kummer | yeah but rockbox is hosted in europe :P |
| 05:52:41 | afruff23 | I knew that, but I always thought there was a substantial US-based gorup of rockboxers |
| 05:52:48 | afruff23 | group* |
| 05:52:50 | Kummer | you're looking at it now |
| 05:53:01 | dpassen1 | Pretty much. |
| 05:53:06 | afruff23 | me and you?:-d |
| 05:53:11 | afruff23 | and him |
| 05:54:31 | afruff23 | When will the X5 bootloader be public? |
| 05:54:46 | afruff23 | I know it's already done |
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| 05:55:56 | windowsrefund | hello |
| 05:56:31 | windowsrefund | is there a doc anywhere that shows how to install rockbox using GNU/Linux? |
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| 05:56:45 | Kummer | yes, but it's not as easy or as clear |
| 05:56:49 | windowsrefund | all the docs I've seen assume that Mac or windoze is being used |
| 05:56:57 | Kummer | do this: |
| 05:57:29 | Kummer | er, wait, it depends which player you have |
| 05:57:31 | Kummer | which one do you have? |
| 05:57:42 | windowsrefund | nano 2GB |
| 05:57:58 | Kummer | okay good |
| 05:58:12 | Kummer | 1) follow the linux instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 05:58:32 | Kummer | note that this includes building a cross compiler and cross compiling a bootloader from source |
| 05:59:17 | afruff23 | Is it just me or does downloading cygwin keep hanging at 19% |
| 05:59:25 | Kummer | 2) follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation starting with Step 2 on that page |
| 05:59:58 | afruff23 | I want to add the doom game patch but I the cygwin download keeps hanging :-@ |
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| 06:00:01 | Kummer | when it says "access your ipod as a disk", it means mount /dev/sda2 in linux, where sda[b,c,whatever] is your ipod |
| 06:00:19 | Kummer | that should just about get it installed |
| 06:00:26 | windowsrefund | ok great |
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| 06:00:36 | windowsrefund | I'm running ipodlinux with pz2 on it now |
| 06:00:49 | windowsrefund | I guess that won't be a problem |
| 06:01:07 | Kummer | ipodlinux interferes somewhat with the process |
| 06:01:17 | Kummer | I think the bootloaders conflict or something? I've never used ipodlinux |
| 06:02:47 | windowsrefund | ok sweet |
| 06:03:04 | windowsrefund | so rockbox is just an mp3 player I take it |
| 06:03:14 | Kummer | I use it as an ogg player, but yeah, that's the basic idea |
| 06:03:20 | windowsrefund | ok |
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| 06:40:29 | webguest80 | hi, buddy |
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| 06:42:23 | midkay | webguest80, haha. |
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| 07:37:56 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:38:03 | JdGordon | gmorning |
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| 07:45:07 | RotAtoR | goodnight! |
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| 07:45:38 | JdGordon | night? its not night yet?? |
| 07:46:04 | JdGordon | is it last night in usa already or something? |
| 07:46:09 | JdGordon | the world is too big :p |
| 07:46:15 | * | JdGordon talking to myself |
| 07:46:19 | Mikachu | it's midnight in usa |
| 07:46:26 | Mikachu | 7:46 in the morning here |
| 07:46:32 | JdGordon | ah, last night :) |
| 07:47:02 | JdGordon | im so used to all the euorpeans here.. forgot about usa |
| 07:47:14 | Mikachu | don't tell them that, their ego would be hurt |
| 07:52:45 | Bg3r | :P |
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| 07:52:57 | Bg3r | Mikachu where are you from ? |
| 07:53:01 | Moos | Morning |
| 07:53:07 | Bg3r | morning, Moo |
| 07:53:09 | Bg3r | morning, Moos |
| 07:53:10 | Mikachu | sweden |
| 07:53:19 | Bg3r | and u ? :) |
| 07:53:20 | Mikachu | (but hungarian on my mother's side) |
| 07:53:28 | JdGordon | your all nuts.. whats with the 8am being awake thing?? wierdos! |
| 07:53:40 | * | Moos is from Paris in France |
| 07:53:43 | Mikachu | JdGordon: i have school in 23 minutes |
| 07:53:54 | JdGordon | poor bugger |
| 07:53:56 | * | B4gder is at work since almost one hour |
| 07:54:10 | Moos | hehe, morning Bagder |
| 07:54:11 | JdGordon | Moos: as apposed to Paris in El-Salvador? |
| 07:54:48 | Bg3r | B4gder when do you sleep??? do you sleep at all ? |
| 07:54:48 | Moos | JdGordon: what do you mean? |
| 07:54:59 | B4gder | sleep is for weaklings! ;-] |
| 07:55:04 | JdGordon | [17:53] Moos is from Paris in France |
| 07:55:06 | Bg3r | :P |
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| 08:00:10 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:01:01 | windowsrefund | i just checked out cvs but I don't see ipod_fw in the tools direcotry |
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| 08:01:27 | Moos | JdGordon 08:01 am here |
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| 08:03:07 | Moos | morning amiconn |
| 08:04:27 | Galois | $ ls tools/ipod_fw* |
| 08:04:27 | Galois | tools/ipod_fw tools/ipod_fw.c |
| 08:08:00 | windowsrefund | I don't have it |
| 08:08:05 | windowsrefund | doesn't matter though |
| 08:08:32 | windowsrefund | I just wrote bootloader-nano.bin to my ipod |
| 08:08:51 | windowsrefund | just confused as to what partiton I need to copy rockbox to now |
| 08:08:59 | windowsrefund | my ipod has 3 partitions |
| 08:09:44 | Galois | the Win95 VFAT one |
| 08:09:46 | * | JdGordon is bored.. give me something to do |
| 08:09:48 | windowsrefund | oh ok |
| 08:09:52 | windowsrefund | thanks Galois |
| 08:10:18 | windowsrefund | strange that the docs don't specify that |
| 08:10:59 | Galois | the docs assume you have two partitions. |
| 08:12:06 | amiconn | midk: You changed the behaviour of the pitch screen... Left/Right used to pitch -/+ 2% *temporarily*, i.e. only as long as they were held, undoing the pitch on release |
| 08:12:15 | windowsrefund | should that .rockbox dir exist in a directory called rockbox? |
| 08:12:26 | Bg3r | windowsrefund no |
| 08:12:29 | Bg3r | it shouldnt |
| 08:12:41 | Bg3r | the .rockbox dir must be in the root dir of the player |
| 08:12:58 | windowsrefund | so 2 dirs? |
| 08:13:04 | Bg3r | no |
| 08:13:14 | Bg3r | u don't need rockbox (without .) at all |
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| 08:13:28 | windowsrefund | I'm just following the docs |
| 08:13:30 | Galois | as far as I know you still need ipod_fw |
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| 08:13:51 | Bg3r | i think u've put the rockbox.zip in the root dir of the player and after that u've selected "extract to rockbox" or something like this |
| 08:14:05 | windowsrefund | selected? |
| 08:14:10 | * | windowsrefund isn't running windoze |
| 08:14:30 | Galois | if you did a make zip then you can just cd /mnt/ipod ; unzip /path/to/rockbox.zip |
| 08:14:51 | windowsrefund | I checked out cvs and copied it to /mnt/ipod |
| 08:15:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: your plugin sound controls look good, but i think i'd like them to be in the plugin library instead |
| 08:15:00 | Galois | wrong |
| 08:15:13 | windowsrefund | so now /mnt/ipod (the vfat partition) has apps, cvs, docs, firmware... |
| 08:15:14 | Galois | CVS is the source code. You need to build that source code. |
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| 08:15:21 | windowsrefund | oh |
| 08:15:27 | Galois | putting the source code on the ipod, while harmless, is not especially useful |
| 08:15:51 | LinusN | B4gder: btw, it was your lame script that caused the weird lcd colors :-) |
| 08:15:59 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, but do we lose localisation? |
| 08:16:06 | B4gder | ah, goodie |
| 08:16:18 | B4gder | and sorry for being so lame ;-) |
| 08:16:18 | windowsrefund | ok, I'll just grab the nightly zip |
| 08:16:27 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes we do, but langv2 will hopefully fix that |
| 08:16:28 | windowsrefund | but seriously, these docs are horrible |
| 08:16:32 | JdGordon | ok |
| 08:16:40 | LinusN | besides, no plugin is localized now anyway |
| 08:16:46 | Galois | windowsrefund: one of the directories in CVS is tools/ |
| 08:16:49 | Galois | that should contain ipod_fw |
| 08:16:59 | Galois | you need to run ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader.bin |
| 08:17:20 | Galois | or something similar. cf. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 08:17:40 | windowsrefund | Galois, it doesn't contain ipod_fw |
| 08:17:49 | Galois | then you messed up in checking it out |
| 08:18:00 | windowsrefund | why would I need it any way? |
| 08:18:04 | Galois | more specifically, it should contain ipod_fw.c |
| 08:18:04 | amiconn | LinusN: That's why I prefer C for doing such stuff. With C I know what I am doing (well, most of the time) |
| 08:18:06 | windowsrefund | I dont want the apple stuff |
| 08:18:11 | Paprica | LinusN, could you look at highscore.c?, somthing wrong with it, when i try to use it, it loads unknown chars in the first variable.. |
| 08:18:25 | Galois | I don't know if it's designed to boot without the apple stuff at all |
| 08:18:29 | Galois | feel free to try |
| 08:18:37 | windowsrefund | I'll try it :) |
| 08:18:44 | LinusN | Paprica: tetrox? |
| 08:18:45 | windowsrefund | I backed up /dev/sdc1 anyway |
| 08:18:49 | Paprica | yep |
| 08:18:51 | windowsrefund | can always dd it back |
| 08:18:53 | LinusN | ok |
| 08:19:05 | Paprica | 10x |
| 08:19:15 | * | Paprica is going to school |
| 08:19:19 | Paprica | bye |
| 08:19:21 | Galois | anyway after you install the bootloader, you do ONE of the following two things: 1) download the daily build rockbox-ipodnano-200603blah.zip and unzip _that_ into /mnt/ipod, or 2) build rockbox, "make zip", unzip the resulting zip file in /mnt/ipod |
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| 08:19:47 | windowsrefund | Galois, I'm grabbin the daily |
| 08:20:09 | windowsrefund | but seriously, the docs need some work |
| 08:20:18 | * | LinusN plays tetrox on the x5 |
| 08:20:25 | B4gder | windowsrefund: its a wiki, feel free to update |
| 08:20:35 | windowsrefund | good point |
| 08:20:38 | Paprica[BBL] | haha =] |
| 08:20:38 | windowsrefund | I'll do that :) |
| 08:20:38 | Moos | LinusN: wee !! :-) |
| 08:20:39 | * | amiconn just fixed the tetrox button nassignments for Ondio |
| 08:21:12 | amiconn | Paprica[BBL]: New rockcalendar patch? |
| 08:21:32 | Galois | part of the problem is there's a page for windows instructions and there's a page for mac instructions but there's no single page for linux instructions so you have to piece together portions of various pages to install it on linux |
| 08:21:45 | LinusN | the lcd driver needs work, the display is shifted one pixel left and down |
| 08:21:51 | LinusN | (x5) |
| 08:22:00 | Moos | ohoh |
| 08:22:03 | B4gder | we REQUIRE perfection! |
| 08:22:07 | B4gder | *g* |
| 08:22:15 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 08:22:18 | Paprica[BBL] | amiconn, not yet, im working on capital letters keyboard's |
| 08:22:26 | * | amiconn would also expect a working lcd flip ;) |
| 08:22:37 | Paprica[BBL] | okok okoko i'm out |
| 08:22:40 | windowsrefund | I'm amazed that windoze is even targeted |
| 08:23:22 | LinusN | why so? |
| 08:23:59 | Galois | windows is what most people use. Heck, it's the same as with the ipod. |
| 08:24:12 | windowsrefund | because windoze users love DRM and TCPA |
| 08:24:24 | windowsrefund | and honestly, they deserve it for being so ignorant |
| 08:24:36 | B4gder | hey, even you use windows (in your nick) ;-) |
| 08:24:38 | JdGordon | windowsrefund: no, m$ does.. no1 in their right mind likes drm and tcpa |
| 08:24:49 | * | Galois points out that apple uses its share of DRM too |
| 08:24:54 | windowsrefund | yep |
| 08:25:03 | windowsrefund | Galois, you're correct |
| 08:25:34 | Galois | if you're writing open source firmware you target what people use. Right now that means windows and ipod, no matter what the DRM says |
| 08:26:19 | * | JdGordon needs a bigger hdd :'( 20gb just isnt enough |
| 08:26:25 | windowsrefund | I just get a bit annoyed when I see Open Source (Free Software under a different name) projects cater to the windoze audience |
| 08:26:29 | windowsrefund | but that's just me |
| 08:26:50 | B4gder | we're more open minded than so |
| 08:26:56 | B4gder | hence we call it open source too ;-) |
| 08:26:59 | JdGordon | windowsrefund: wtf??? oss should only be for linux? is that what your sayin? |
| 08:27:13 | * | Galois deletes firefox_setup.exe |
| 08:27:31 | windowsrefund | windows and open source (free software) is a contradiction |
| 08:27:37 | windowsrefund | you can't have both |
| 08:27:56 | * | B4gder decides to avoid this pie throwing |
| 08:28:05 | windowsrefund | though Novell wouldn't agree with me :) |
| 08:28:13 | windowsrefund | those fence sitters |
| 08:28:56 | Galois | here's another way to look at it, windows users _need_ catering, whereas linux users (many of whom are themselves rockbox developers) can figure it out without packaged docs |
| 08:29:09 | windowsrefund | wrong |
| 08:29:19 | B4gder | I agree with Galois on that |
| 08:29:20 | windowsrefund | docs serve a purpose |
| 08:29:26 | windowsrefund | regardless of audience |
| 08:29:31 | B4gder | sure they do |
| 08:29:32 | Galois | I mean, I use linux, and I figured out how to install it |
| 08:30:07 | windowsrefund | doesn't mean the next user of GNU/Linux will |
| 08:30:31 | * | JdGordon thinx your nuts! |
| 08:30:32 | * | windowsrefund is very much in favor of clear and accurate docs |
| 08:30:55 | windowsrefund | anyway |
| 08:31:12 | windowsrefund | I'm gonna reboot my ipod and see how badly I !@#$!@# it up :) |
| 08:32:01 | LinusN | windowsrefund: it's a wiki you know, fix the docs if you think they are so bad |
| 08:32:05 | B4gder | I find it odd that such a free software zealot uses ipod in the first place |
| 08:32:16 | JdGordon | grrr.. i accidently downloaded a vid for ipod.. thats bloody catering to the idiots.. why the fuck r ppl putting ipod converted vids on torrents?? |
| 08:32:25 | windowsrefund | B4gder, hardware != software |
| 08:32:38 | B4gder | hahahaha |
| 08:32:55 | windowsrefund | I bought the pod because of projects like rockbox and iPL |
| 08:33:10 | JdGordon | .. although.. at full screen it desnt look too bad.. bit jumpy tho |
| 08:33:14 | windowsrefund | in fact, had it not been for these projects, I'd still be in the market for something |
| 08:33:41 | windowsrefund | oh well |
| 08:33:47 | windowsrefund | guess I may have needed ipod_fw |
| 08:34:05 | Galois | it is a little disturbing that a lot of people (like me and windowsrefund) are buying ipods just because of rockbox |
| 08:34:21 | windowsrefund | why? |
| 08:34:24 | * | JdGordon would buy a ipod now rb runs on it |
| 08:34:27 | Galois | I mean, don't get me wrong, I _like_ rockbox, but realistically, it could easily be the death knell for alternative players |
| 08:34:46 | * | windowsrefund doesn't follow |
| 08:34:47 | webguest41 | Tough on them |
| 08:34:48 | B4gder | knell? |
| 08:35:15 | Galois | lots of people who, before, would have spent some time looking for another player that had the features they want, nowadays can just buy ipod and use rockbox |
| 08:35:31 | B4gder | but it goes the other way around too |
| 08:35:32 | webguest41 | And this is bad... why? |
| 08:35:45 | B4gder | they can buy a cheaper player and get the same feature set |
| 08:35:51 | Galois | it means we're gonna have one mp3 player to rule them all |
| 08:36:02 | Galois | b4gder: what other rockbox supported player is still being made? |
| 08:36:07 | LinusN | this is only true as long as the ipod hardware is good |
| 08:36:09 | B4gder | x5 |
| 08:36:11 | webguest41 | There's nothing that says that a better alternative player can't come around |
| 08:36:13 | Galois | not yet |
| 08:36:20 | Galois | yes I know x5 will be supported soon |
| 08:36:30 | JdGordon | Galois: the rockbox user base is no wehre near enough for your doomsday idea to happen |
| 08:36:34 | windowsrefund | free software was (and still is) more important to me than functionality |
| 08:36:37 | Galois | jdgordon it's not enough for apple to care |
| 08:36:46 | Galois | but for any other manufacturer, that base matters |
| 08:36:51 | JdGordon | hardly |
| 08:36:51 | windowsrefund | in other words, even if the apple sw did everything I want, I'd still run iPL or rockbox |
| 08:36:52 | webguest41 | I doubt it |
| 08:37:01 | B4gder | and many people continue to buy players rockbox runs on, just not new |
| 08:37:25 | Galois | well there's no reason to argue, I'd love to be wrong |
| 08:37:28 | webguest41 | Pulling numbers out of my hat, rockbox userbase is probably max 5% of any one player out there |
| 08:37:47 | B4gder | and I would be shocked if it was as high as 5% |
| 08:37:54 | Galois | it will increase. |
| 08:38:23 | webguest41 | Possibly more on archos since a) the firmware is extremely crap b) peope are probably less likely to still be using them without rockbox |
| 08:38:41 | webguest41 | Well yes, an insignificant percentage, is basically what I was aiming for |
| 08:39:00 | webguest41 | Until a manufacturer starts advertising it, this won't change much |
| 08:39:17 | webguest41 | (which is less than likely to happen) |
| 08:39:21 | Galois | neuros..... |
| 08:39:41 | B4gder | it can be Neuros |
| 08:39:45 | B4gder | but I doubt that |
| 08:40:02 | webguest41 | How relevant is Neuros though? |
| 08:40:04 | * | B4gder lost faith |
| 08:40:10 | webguest41 | outside geek circles |
| 08:40:26 | JdGordon | geeks r the only ones who would use rb anyway tho |
| 08:40:29 | webguest41 | Not that that isn't a valid niche to fill |
| 08:40:31 | Galois | neuros is the kind of project that rockbox could kill. |
| 08:40:54 | webguest41 | If it did, then Neuros has failed, not Rockbox. |
| 08:41:02 | JdGordon | Galois: no, neuors could buy rb and make it better... while still supporting all the targets |
| 08:41:14 | webguest41 | noone can buy rockbox |
| 08:41:22 | webguest41 | as in, take over or anything like that |
| 08:41:23 | JdGordon | everyone has a price |
| 08:41:31 | B4gder | no |
| 08:41:37 | B4gder | rockbox isn't anything anyone can buy |
| 08:41:41 | Galois | even if that happens, they'll be a software company and the hardware part will be irrelevant |
| 08:41:42 | LinusN | rockbox can't be sold |
| 08:41:43 | * | JdGordon isnt questioning the devs or anything.. just being annoying |
| 08:42:19 | webguest41 | a) they'd need to buy off every copyright holder b) the current version would be forked faster than you can say glitter |
| 08:42:38 | JdGordon | u mean gl.tter |
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| 08:42:48 | webguest41 | Right |
| 08:42:54 | JdGordon | :) |
| 08:42:55 | B4gder | haha |
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| 08:45:42 | B4gder | woo, 2.6.16-at91 boots up juuuuust fine |
| 08:46:05 | * | B4gder appologizes for talking work and goes for a coffee refill |
| 08:46:17 | windowsrefund | goodnight |
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| 09:06:15 | Galois | windowsrefund, just for you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
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| 09:06:34 | Galois | although, this is untested |
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| 09:13:48 | Galois | well, I tested it once, it works :) |
| 09:14:10 | Galois | it could use more testing though, especially since I only have one model (nano) |
| 09:14:27 | B4gder | looks like a fine start though |
| 09:16:58 | Galois | I'll replace the CVS step with a link to just the single file |
| 09:17:01 | Galois | and attach the file |
| 09:19:02 | B4gder | ah, yes since it builds nicely standalone |
| 09:22:20 | Bg3r | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0zAlXr1UOs haha |
| 09:22:27 | Bg3r | "triPod" |
| 09:25:56 | windowsrefund | looks good B4gder :) |
| 09:26:06 | * | windowsrefund really needs to get to sleep |
| 09:26:10 | windowsrefund | good night everyone |
| 09:26:15 | windowsrefund | and thanks B4gder |
| 09:26:30 | B4gder | hey Galois did that, not me! |
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| 09:26:37 | windowsrefund | er.... |
| 09:26:38 | windowsrefund | damn |
| 09:26:39 | Galois | it's okay, the wiki knows all |
| 09:26:44 | windowsrefund | typed wrong nick |
| 09:26:45 | B4gder | :-) |
| 09:26:48 | windowsrefund | tired |
| 09:26:57 | windowsrefund | thanks |
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| 09:45:16 | bobTHC | already post but i dunno if that have been include in wiki -> http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4985/mixnfad2xl.jpg |
| 09:45:32 | bobTHC | crossfading and mixing techniques document |
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| 09:46:32 | bobTHC | can be useful to add feature to the "party mode" ;) |
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| 09:47:52 | webguest41 | Any particular reason why this is one gigantum image? |
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| 09:48:32 | bobTHC | feel free to resize or crop it |
| 09:49:15 | webguest41 | I meant more like, why isn't this a html-page with a few images |
| 09:49:56 | B4gder | because it was nicked from somewhere? |
| 09:50:07 | mnhnhyouh | hey all |
| 09:51:51 | bobTHC | it's a technics manual page |
| 09:52:44 | webguest41 | Ah, a scan. Well that's certainly a good reason |
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| 09:53:16 | webguest41 | I just get suspecious whenever I see images that should not be |
| 09:53:46 | bobTHC | suspicious of what ? |
| 09:53:55 | bobTHC | jpg virus ? |
| 09:53:58 | bobTHC | :) |
| 09:54:27 | crashd | bah |
| 09:54:35 | crashd | why cant i use the framebuffer ;\ |
| 09:54:35 | webguest41 | Wasteful use of resources |
| 09:54:53 | webguest41 | Improper use of technologies |
| 09:56:10 | mnhnhyouh | I am wondering if any of you guys are working on the iPod port? |
| 09:56:30 | B4gder | rockbox is mostly generic for all ports |
| 09:57:14 | mnhnhyouh | i am wondering about the absence of the quick menu on the ipod port |
| 09:57:37 | B4gder | afaiu, that's due to lack of keys |
| 09:58:40 | mnhnhyouh | I was wondering about that, and when the wps is on, holding the center button is free, and could be used for bringing up the quick menu |
| 09:58:59 | mnhnhyouh | then the up,down,left, right on the wheel would work for the selections |
| 09:59:18 | webguest41 | There is no up in the quick menu, for historical reasons |
| 09:59:36 | mnhnhyouh | can you explain those? |
| 09:59:40 | B4gder | for technical reasons on the Archoses |
| 09:59:48 | mnhnhyouh | ahhh |
| 09:59:54 | webguest41 | It wasn't possible on the Archoses, and hasn't been extended on new platforms |
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| 10:00:10 | mnhnhyouh | i did wonder about its absence on the iriver h3xx players |
| 10:00:10 | webguest41 | Mostly for fear of "up should be *THIS* feature" discussion, afaiu |
| 10:00:21 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:00:29 | mnhnhyouh | i noticed one of those :) |
| 10:00:32 | webguest41 | And possibly also lazyness |
| 10:00:37 | B4gder | like all discussions on UI and keys it is a can of ... |
| 10:00:59 | mnhnhyouh | is it being worked on for the iPod? |
| 10:01:17 | webguest41 | The posting to one of the MLs with menu mock-ups looked nice, by the way |
| 10:02:15 | mnhnhyouh | i have been trying to work out the cygwin environment, and am getting my head around it, and will then have a look at the code. i was a reasonable pascal programmer many years ago. and might be able to convert it to C and be of some help :) |
| 10:02:49 | B4gder | yes, pascal knowledge translates fine to C |
| 10:03:04 | webguest41 | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-03/0282.shtml that one |
| 10:03:25 | mnhnhyouh | i spent a bit of time trying to get java, but cant seem to think in an object oriented fashion, I just want to manipulate data |
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| 10:07:21 | cannard | is it possible to enable the hard reset button to be set off with code? |
| 10:07:24 | cannard | if that makes sense? |
| 10:08:18 | cannard | my h340 wont turn off, always wants to charge :| |
| 10:08:59 | webguest41 | I doubt it. |
| 10:09:28 | cannard | that sucks |
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| 10:10:10 | linuxstb_ | mnhnhyouh: In the WPS on the iPods, a short press on the centre button takes you to the file browser, and a long press gives you the context menu. A long press on MENU could be used for the quick menu though. |
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| 10:11:26 | webguest41 | cannard: don't think you should take my word for it |
| 10:12:12 | mnhnhyouh | yep. It would be good in the meantime if the context menu had an option to go to shuffle. it is a lot of pushes to turn shuffle on, which is why I am after a quick menu :) |
| 10:13:30 | cannard | its cool webguest, twas a long shot anyways |
| 10:14:00 | cannard | i even took the thing apart to see if anything was shorting in the power or usb connectors and possible if disconnecting the battery would fix it |
| 10:14:15 | cannard | computahseznoooo |
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| 10:28:30 | bobTHC | http://honeypot.atspace.com/partymode.TXT |
| 10:28:59 | bobTHC | a little sum of my 1st thoughts |
| 10:31:41 | bobTHC | i'm a dreamer i know... ;) |
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| 10:33:19 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 10:34:48 | cannard | anyong jungti |
| 10:35:16 | DrMoos | bobTHC: Salut, don't smoke sweed too much :D |
| 10:35:22 | DrMoos | *weed |
| 10:37:12 | crashd | bobTHC: what about beat matching? and making tea? |
| 10:37:13 | crashd | ;) |
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| 10:37:33 | Jungti1234 | cannard: :) |
| 10:39:53 | RoC_MM | anybody know when the next stable release might be? |
| 10:40:11 | RoC_MM | (I am using the nightlies and have a few problems) |
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| 10:45:07 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r, Are you there? |
| 10:46:50 | LinusN | bobTHC: what has musicians rehearsal and language courses to do woth party mode? |
| 10:51:44 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 yep |
| 10:52:49 | Zagor | bobTHC: party mode is not "DJ mode". it's rather quite the opposite, more like "unattended mode" |
| 10:55:19 | Jungti1234 | party mode is... Insert mode |
| 10:55:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: Imho a long press somehow defeats the purpose of a quickmenu |
| 10:56:25 | amiconn | That's already weird enough on iriver. The quickmenu isn't really a quickmenu there as it should be |
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| 10:58:50 | Jungti1234 | When you 'on' party mode, if choose a song, it's added to current playlist. |
| 10:59:10 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r? |
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| 11:02:36 | ohrn | ok, I've just read up on the H300 LCD, it the driver chip doesn't support contrast or invert settings |
| 11:03:12 | ohrn | whats prefereable, a patch that just hides the settings in the menu |
| 11:03:48 | B4gder | LinusN: hey, the tables are unmodified! ;-) |
| 11:04:01 | B4gder | just switched |
| 11:04:01 | ohrn | or a path that eliminates all traces of lcd_set_invert_display(), lcd_set_contrast() etc. on the H300 target? |
| 11:04:06 | LinusN | B4gder: exactly |
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| 11:04:40 | B4gder | a big endian mistake then |
| 11:04:41 | Jungti1234 | oh, markun |
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| 11:04:54 | cannard | linus, in your travels of h300 architecture, did you happen to come across the cause for the 'charging when not connectied to a powersource' problem?? |
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| 11:08:53 | LinusN | cannard: nope |
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| 11:13:20 | webguest21 | has support for the iriver h320 been halted? |
| 11:13:52 | B4gder | ? |
| 11:14:02 | B4gder | why would it |
| 11:14:31 | webguest21 | can't see that anything has been updated since september according to the wiki |
| 11:14:43 | B4gder | then check the cvs logs |
| 11:14:53 | markun | webguest21: maybe update to the wiki has been halted :) |
| 11:14:55 | B4gder | I can see numerous commits daily |
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| 11:17:01 | t0mas|school | hi |
| 11:17:10 | B4gder | hey t0mas |
| 11:17:10 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:17:18 | B4gder | we need your scripting ;-) |
| 11:17:25 | t0mas|school | (webclient, at a f*cking win98 machine :X) |
| 11:17:31 | t0mas|school | what do you want me to do |
| 11:17:56 | B4gder | disable the zip copy for all builds that aren't provided as bleeding edge builds |
| 11:18:16 | t0mas|school | you can change the target filename... |
| 11:18:21 | t0mas|school | to none |
| 11:18:31 | t0mas|school | just the text "none" |
| 11:18:32 | B4gder | it needs to be done per-build |
| 11:18:35 | t0mas|school | yes |
| 11:18:37 | t0mas|school | for only those builds |
| 11:18:54 | * | t0mas|school wants VPN to home... and just use remote desktop |
| 11:19:07 | t0mas|school | but this machine can't even make a normal PPTP connection... left alone RDP |
| 11:19:28 | B4gder | lunch |
| 11:19:32 | t0mas|school | ghehe |
| 11:19:34 | t0mas|school | 20 mins :) |
| 11:19:56 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 11:19:57 | t0mas|school | useless day... should've been working right now.. not hanging around here being bored |
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| 11:23:23 | t0mas_ | yeah :D |
| 11:23:28 | t0mas_ | putty + irssi |
| 11:23:29 | Mikachu | Paprica[BBL]: should 4851 be closed now? |
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| 11:26:05 | t0mas | B4gder: I'm looking at the script... |
| 11:26:18 | t0mas | it won't report failure if the target file doesn't exist |
| 11:26:22 | t0mas | it will just not copy it |
| 11:26:32 | t0mas | so no need to change anything :) |
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| 11:29:37 | t0mas | ok |
| 11:29:53 | t0mas | try a build... I've changed the filename of the recorder sim to "notransfere" |
| 11:29:57 | t0mas | so it should quit |
| 11:30:05 | t0mas | and not transfere the zip and target file... |
| 11:30:09 | t0mas | only the build log |
| 11:30:44 | t0mas | ok, forced a build |
| 11:30:47 | t0mas | let's see |
| 11:32:17 | * | t0mas yawns |
| 11:32:20 | t0mas | almost lunch time |
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| 11:37:58 | t0mas | B4gder: didn't work |
| 11:38:05 | t0mas | but it's lunchtime noe |
| 11:38:09 | t0mas | saee you 30 min |
| 11:38:11 | t0mas | bye |
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| 11:41:04 | preglow | amiconn: the good news is that it's not a cache problem |
| 11:41:15 | preglow | amiconn: bad news is i still have no idea what's causing it (voice ui bug) |
| 11:41:30 | Jungti1234 | Flyspray have problem |
| 11:41:42 | bobTHC | LinusN > what has musicians rehearsal to do woth party mode? |
| 11:41:51 | bobTHC | While very few trainee musicians are able to play a difficult piece at 'full' speed, many can play at 80 - 90% of full speed. One way to help the less advanced student would be to enable the recording to be slowed to any desired tempo without changing the key. Such a facility requires independent speed and pitch control and is the first tool of the system. |
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| 11:42:34 | LinusN | bobTHC: yes, but where is the Party in that? |
| 11:43:01 | bobTHC | that can be useful for party mode, and for others good purposes |
| 11:43:20 | cannard | maybe for people that cant dance so good |
| 11:43:22 | bobTHC | the feature can have multiple use |
| 11:43:25 | cannard | enjoy thier favourite songs |
| 11:43:27 | cannard | just a little slower |
| 11:43:33 | cannard | ... i'll shut up now.. |
| 11:44:01 | JdGordon | did any1 read my msg on the dev ml? |
| 11:44:13 | LinusN | bobTHC: i agree that speed control is a good thing, but it isn't necessarily a party mode feature |
| 11:44:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: i have read it |
| 11:44:43 | JdGordon | whatcha think? |
| 11:45:16 | LinusN | haven't yet decided what i think |
| 11:45:16 | JdGordon | :) ok |
| 11:45:16 | bobTHC | in fact party mode is simply a set of feature that can be use for partiing, |
| 11:45:25 | bobTHC | and those feature can be use for totally different purpose |
| 11:45:28 | LinusN | bobTHC: no, it is primarily a mode where you can't interrupt the playback |
| 11:45:41 | Mikachu | LinusN: if you aren't going to apply this patch maybe it should be closed? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2840 (just looking through some patches semi-randomly) |
| 11:46:32 | LinusN | Mikachu: thanks, i closed it now |
| 11:46:51 | Mikachu | pitch patch sounds funny, that's why i clicked it :P |
| 11:47:27 | bobTHC | LinusN > it's not a queing system to avoid mistakes like track change without willing ? |
| 11:47:44 | LinusN | that too |
| 11:47:52 | LinusN | iirc |
| 11:47:57 | bobTHC | :) |
| 11:48:27 | JdGordon | whats the command to find every occurance of X in every file in a folder and to get the file anmea nd line number? |
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| 11:48:45 | JdGordon | in nix |
| 11:49:38 | bobTHC | grep |
| 11:49:45 | bobTHC | is u're friend |
| 11:50:13 | LinusN | find . -name "*.c" | xargs grep blabla |
| 11:50:27 | JdGordon | cheers :) |
| 11:51:10 | Galois | I prefer "grep -nr blah folder/" |
| 11:53:25 | JdGordon | only 3845 occurances of BUTTON_ in the source code :D |
| 11:53:32 | Mikachu | LinusN: i think solitaire is mostly fixed now? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2823 |
| 11:54:44 | LinusN | Galois: hehe, the -r switch is too new for me :-) |
| 11:55:07 | * | JdGordon has to learn regexp :p |
| 11:55:28 | LinusN | Mikachu: guess so, i don't know |
| 11:55:43 | Mikachu | LinusN: hm i guess i just hilighted you because you commented on the last bug, sorry :) |
| 11:56:02 | Mikachu | Galois: -r won't be for only .c files though |
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| 11:56:40 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i think solitaire is mostly fixed now? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2823 |
| 11:56:43 | Mikachu | that's better |
| 11:58:36 | preglow | can't people just stop asking for time stretching .>> |
| 11:58:37 | amiconn | t0mas: The ms rdp client runs on all 32 bit windows versions |
| 11:58:42 | amiconn | Just install it |
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| 11:59:53 | preglow | getting time stretching right involves and ungodly amount of handtuning i don't want to do |
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| 12:00:23 | Mikachu | i haven't even found a good time stretching thing for linux that sounds good outside -25% to +25% |
| 12:00:39 | Mikachu | or so |
| 12:01:25 | preglow | that's beecause they're all based on the algorithm we'll have to us |
| 12:01:26 | preglow | e |
| 12:01:36 | Mikachu | maybe that's the expected range |
| 12:01:49 | JdGordon | ok, cant be bothered trying to work this out.. any1 know how to get a list of every "#define[anything]BUTTON_" in the folder and remove duplicates (where the duplicate is the word where [anything] is) ? |
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| 12:03:14 | * | amiconn hopes his build machine is able to do some more builds now :) |
| 12:03:32 | amiconn | Just got my speed upgrade... |
| 12:03:39 | amiconn | DSL |
| 12:03:42 | B4gder | wooo |
| 12:03:59 | amiconn | 3072/576 instead of 2048/384 |
| 12:04:01 | * | B4gder works on getting another build server setup |
| 12:04:07 | Spida | amiconn: where? |
| 12:04:27 | preglow | what cpu are the build boxes running in average? |
| 12:04:48 | * | amiconn runs an Athlon64 3800+ |
| 12:04:54 | Mikachu | LinusN: this one is for you, especially your last comment :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2720 |
| 12:05:12 | preglow | i'm running athlon64 3400+ |
| 12:05:18 | preglow | but i can't guarantee that this pc is on at all times |
| 12:05:19 | B4gder | preglow: we don't have that data stored, so I can't really tell |
| 12:05:33 | B4gder | we don't need it on all the time actually |
| 12:05:43 | preglow | plus, i can't build all crosscompilers.... |
| 12:05:47 | LinusN | Mikachu: "soonish" :-) |
| 12:05:56 | amiconn | preglow: Me neither, you know... |
| 12:06:02 | B4gder | a single server doesn't have to build all kinds |
| 12:06:08 | Mikachu | LinusN: that's the one :) |
| 12:06:11 | JdGordon | ok, there are 840 #define's todo with buttons in the code (not including the plugins).. time to get a list of common ones.. |
| 12:06:12 | preglow | B4gder: so you've got those factors under control? |
| 12:06:15 | Mikachu | LinusN: for large values of ish? |
| 12:06:22 | * | amiconn wants to get rid of the 64bit sim warnings |
| 12:06:24 | LinusN | exactly :-) |
| 12:06:36 | preglow | amiconn: i'm gonna do that today |
| 12:06:47 | preglow | unless you beat me to it, of course |
| 12:07:08 | preglow | amiconn: and btw, gcc 4.1 spits out false warnings.... |
| 12:07:14 | amiconn | Then I can provide sim builds capability. Only thing missing will be coldfire targets |
| 12:07:35 | * | amiconn hopes for the gcc guys to fix it |
| 12:07:57 | amiconn | schnul |
| 12:08:06 | B4gder | this dual xeon might be a good build server |
| 12:08:11 | B4gder | make -j4 ;-) |
| 12:08:11 | bobTHC | v0.2 -> http://honeypot.atspace.com/partymode.TXT |
| 12:08:36 | preglow | B4gder: j_4_ ?? |
| 12:08:48 | B4gder | 4 parallell compiles |
| 12:08:52 | preglow | yeah, but why 4 ? |
| 12:08:56 | preglow | there are only two cores... |
| 12:09:03 | Mikachu | i heard #+1 is a good number for -j |
| 12:09:08 | Mikachu | but i haven't done any benchmarks |
| 12:09:10 | B4gder | no, this has 4 |
| 12:09:15 | Mikachu | then you want -j5 :) |
| 12:09:19 | preglow | haha |
| 12:09:25 | Mikachu | (if you have enough ram of course) |
| 12:09:29 | preglow | B4gder: as long as you aren't relying on hyperthreading or anything |
| 12:09:42 | preglow | that does absolutely nothing for make |
| 12:12:06 | t0mas | amiconn: yes it does |
| 12:12:15 | t0mas | but vpn doesn't work from win98 |
| 12:12:17 | t0mas | without reboot |
| 12:12:35 | DrMoos | LinusN: great!!, you seems to be very fast. We are very very close now I assume? :-) |
| 12:12:40 | t0mas | and those library pc's erase everything on reboot |
| 12:12:55 | t0mas | so I had to use SSH and irssi :) |
| 12:13:12 | LinusN | DrMoos: patience, grasshopper |
| 12:13:22 | DrMoos | haha :D |
| 12:14:59 | DrMoos | LinusN: The wiki page for iAudio port isn't up to date now, right? |
| 12:15:37 | DrMoos | Fortunatly you made a lot of new stuff those last days :-) |
| 12:18:00 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2595 should be closed, it doesn't have a patch file and he's opened another one for the same thing later |
| 12:18:13 | Mikachu | here, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2854 |
| 12:20:14 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Are you planning to do anything more with your plugin audio menu? |
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| 12:21:44 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Closed. |
| 12:23:26 | tucoz | I hope it's ok if I cut and paste from here and there in the wiki when working with the manual. |
| 12:23:54 | JdGordon | linuxstb: does it need any more options? |
| 12:23:54 | B4gder | tucoz: I'd say that is assumed to be fine |
| 12:24:28 | Mikachu | is this a joke page? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm |
| 12:24:28 | tucoz | And I hope that Christi won't be dissapointed if I remove what she has written. The reason is that a lot of the text is simply too archos centric. |
| 12:24:39 | tucoz | Mikachu, that is BlueChips page |
| 12:24:40 | B4gder | Mikachu: no, its not a joke |
| 12:24:47 | tucoz | If you recall the discussion on the dev-ml |
| 12:24:53 | Mikachu | ah |
| 12:24:55 | Mikachu | that guy |
| 12:25:06 | Mikachu | the page looks like it's maybe by a 12year old though :) |
| 12:25:25 | tucoz | We will never know that for real though. ;-) |
| 12:25:49 | tucoz | (his/her age I mean) |
| 12:25:54 | crashd | heh |
| 12:26:22 | Mikachu | othello would be fun |
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| 12:27:01 | * | tucoz is stealing text from Zakks WhyRockbox page |
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| 12:27:55 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Didn't I read a comment from Linus saying that he thinks it should be in the plugin lib? |
| 12:28:03 | JdGordon | u did |
| 12:30:23 | Mikachu | his readme is written like a .nfo file for a 0-day warez or something |
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| 12:30:38 | Mikachu | maybe that's why he wants to keep his name hidden :) |
| 12:31:53 | preglow | Mikachu: you've still got me reading bloody bellman jokes |
| 12:31:58 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
| 12:32:00 | preglow | gapflabba <- word of the year |
| 12:32:05 | Mikachu | preglow: sorry :) |
| 12:32:32 | Mikachu | preglow: i saw an old patch for coldfire asm libmad or something in the tracker |
| 12:32:44 | tucoz | LinusN, wow :) |
| 12:33:22 | B4gder | you rock LinusN |
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| 12:33:42 | preglow | Mikachu: it's mine |
| 12:33:50 | preglow | i put it there for some reason |
| 12:33:55 | JdGordon | preglow: no, batby gob stople is! |
| 12:33:56 | preglow | i could never make it behave |
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| 12:34:01 | Mikachu | preglow: i just figured it might be obsolete |
| 12:34:05 | preglow | it's not |
| 12:34:07 | Mikachu | okay |
| 12:34:21 | preglow | should apply fine even today |
| 12:34:33 | elinenbe | LinusN: A first bootloader for the iAudio! |
| 12:34:35 | Mikachu | 10 pages of patches is quite a lot |
| 12:34:42 | elinenbe | LinusN: I needs to go get me a new device! |
| 12:38:27 | linuxstb | Anyone know if there are any companies making DAPs with 2.5" drives and software decoding? |
| 12:38:31 | JdGordon | ok, i have a file now with all (i tinhk.. might have accidently missed 1 or 2) button definitions in the source (excluding the plugins).. how do i go from that to a nice generic list?? |
| 12:41:33 | Mikachu | linuxstb: should i post urls to bugs that i'm sure are obsolete or do you have any plans on going through them anyway? |
| 12:41:53 | Mikachu | or a bit sure anyway |
| 12:42:46 | Mikachu | actually i only found two more |
| 12:42:49 | preglow | Mikachu: go through all of them and see which don't apply anymore :> |
| 12:42:54 | Mikachu | heh, no thanks |
| 12:42:58 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1813 |
| 12:43:02 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1658 |
| 12:45:09 | Jungti1234 | wow, nice LinusN |
| 12:45:38 | Mikachu | preglow: maybe we can ask bellman |
| 12:45:54 | linuxstb | Anyone know the typical bitrate of the Rockbox video files for the Archos? And also, does anyone have any idea what sort of battery life can be achieved playing them back? |
| 12:46:22 | Jungti1234 | By the way, how do I make it exe? |
| 12:46:48 | Jungti1234 | ahhhh okok |
| 12:46:49 | Zagor | linuxstb: 1: high 2:low ;-) |
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| 12:47:06 | linuxstb | Zagor: Very helpful :) |
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| 12:50:13 | crashd | linuxstb: the fb is a 1d array yeah? |
| 12:50:21 | crashd | is tehre any documentation on the rb api, btw, other than the basics |
| 12:50:54 | linuxstb | crashd: In the plugin API, yes. But it's really (for colour LCDS) "fb_data lcd_framebuffer[LCD_HEIGHT][LCD_WIDTH];" |
| 12:51:08 | linuxstb | Have you seen the GraphicsAPI wiki page? |
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| 12:52:44 | crashd | i have now, i was sure someone said that was for basic stuff |
| 12:52:46 | crashd | but this will be useful : ) |
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| 12:53:16 | Elly-v-Away | Hi can I ask a question? |
| 12:53:21 | Mikachu | you may |
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| 12:53:51 | crashd | linuxstb: and this is all implemented? |
| 12:54:00 | Elly-v-Away | ty :D I'd like to know if Rockbox will be developed for the Ipod shuffle too ? |
| 12:54:21 | linuxstb | crashd: I think so. |
| 12:54:30 | crashd | ill have to test it out with the my demo later then |
| 12:54:32 | Elly-v-Away | Or can I use the version that's already available? |
| 12:54:34 | crashd | thanks again linuxstb |
| 12:54:37 | Mikachu | Elly-v-Away: i don't think so |
| 12:54:40 | B4gder | welcome home Cassandra ;-) |
| 12:54:42 | Elly-v-Away | ok |
| 12:54:44 | Mikachu | it's too different and no screen |
| 12:54:45 | linuxstb | Elly-v-Away: The ipod shuffle is completely different to the other ipods. |
| 12:54:46 | Cassandra | Elly - it's possible. The chances are increased significantly by mailing iPod shuffles to the dev team. ;) |
| 12:54:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes I have. |
| 12:55:06 | Elly-v-Away | lol |
| 12:55:06 | Cassandra | B4gder, thanks. |
| 12:55:09 | crashd | i was treating the fb as a 1d array and filling it up too width*height each iteration, but the sime kept borking out |
| 12:55:13 | crashd | didnt fancy testing it on my unit ;\ |
| 12:55:13 | LinusN | Cassandra: welcome, i thought you were still lost in stockholm |
| 12:55:29 | Cassandra | I might be. It's kind of hard to tell. |
| 12:55:43 | preglow | chanches of seeing an ipod shuffle rockbox is _very_ slim |
| 12:55:43 | amiconn | .rvf bitrate is video bitrate (a constant 480kbps) + the bitrate of the audio track, which can be anything mp2/mp3 |
| 12:55:49 | Cassandra | I feel totally brain dead at the moment, |
| 12:55:55 | Zagor | Cassandra: do you remember sitting in a cramped, very noisy room? |
| 12:56:15 | amiconn | Battery life with stock 1500mAh batteries is 4:00 to 4:30 on v1 recorder |
| 12:56:17 | Zagor | if so, you are probably not in stockholm any more :-) |
| 12:56:24 | Cassandra | Zagor, no. That's what my ER4-Ps are supposed to prevent. ;) |
| 12:56:25 | Elly-v-Away | A pity; I detest itunes, that's why.. |
| 12:56:39 | JdGordon | can u attach files to emails for the mailing list? |
| 12:56:39 | amiconn | ...as opposed to typical 10hours for audio only |
| 12:57:11 | Elly-v-Away | well, ty vm, I'm off again, keep up the good work here :D |
| 12:57:31 | * | Cassandra wonders in what sense people manage to interpret "here is a release schedule" as "please post feature requests". |
| 12:57:44 | tucoz | Cassandra, hehe |
| 12:57:50 | Elly-v-Away | bye bye |
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| 12:58:05 | preglow | haha |
| 12:58:06 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah, unfortunately.... |
| 12:58:07 | B4gder | Cassandra: not people, users ;-) |
| 12:58:19 | * | B4gder shakes fist. Darn them |
| 12:58:24 | preglow | if half of them even know we have a release schedule, i'm going to eat the hat mikachi has promised to send me |
| 12:58:26 | Cassandra | oh, tucoz, really good work on the manual, btw. Sorry I've not been around to be more involved. |
| 12:58:36 | Mikachu | obviously all features should go in before the freeze so you have something to stabilize :P |
| 12:59:00 | tucoz | Cassandra, thanks. |
| 12:59:19 | preglow | good work indeed |
| 12:59:37 | * | preglow declares this tucoz appreciation day |
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| 13:00:19 | Mikachu | it's already World Water Day according to wikipedia |
| 13:00:24 | Cassandra | I suppose I should go see how people have been messing up my nice clean bug database. |
| 13:00:29 | * | tucoz absorbs all the appreciation with ease :-) |
| 13:00:45 | Mikachu | Cassandra: the patches are 10 pages, if you run out of stuff to do |
| 13:01:21 | Cassandra | Michachu: I think I'm going to have my hands full whipping the UI into shape for Mayday. |
| 13:01:33 | Mikachu | that works for me |
| 13:01:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. So even if someone managed the impossible and got realtime FLAC decoding on a 11MHz/12MHz SH1, it still wouldn't be usable. |
| 13:02:15 | Cassandra | Ubuntu release date just slipped six weeks. |
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| 13:04:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: why? |
| 13:04:47 | tucoz | midkay, I am stealing some of your WhyRockbox stuff to be used in the manual :) |
| 13:05:51 | Cassandra | You know, I saw a lovely picture of a grey striped cat in a gallery in Gamla Stan. I waited till 11:30 for them to open, but then I had to go catch a plane. |
| 13:05:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: FLAC files are typically 800-900kbps (sometimes more). So I'm guessing that even with the largest available batteries, it will still be around 4 hours or less playtime. |
| 13:06:04 | Cassandra | Now I can't find the gallery on the web. *sigh* |
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| 13:09:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but where's the problem? |
| 13:10:04 | amiconn | Apart from that, the runtime decrease isn't linear |
| 13:10:55 | amiconn | Since for .rvf (which is typically around 640kbps in total) rebuffering happens every ~20sec, I tested whether letting the disk spin continuously would be better |
| 13:11:18 | tucoz | Man, I wonder how many install instructions there are in the wiki. |
| 13:11:48 | preglow | any thoughts on how to handle bootloader installing for 3.0, btw? |
| 13:12:01 | amiconn | Turned out it was worse, but not much. Runtime reduced by ~ half an hour |
| 13:12:08 | preglow | just fwpatcher? |
| 13:12:27 | JdGordon | if i had access to an ipod id do a windows installer for it.. but its too hard without one. |
| 13:12:36 | amiconn | Plus, we want to get .wav going, which will be similar as flac (adpcm) or even worse (pure pcm) |
| 13:13:07 | tucoz | Just fwpatcher I would say |
| 13:13:07 | preglow | adpcm is cheaper than flac |
| 13:13:19 | tucoz | for the irivers I mean |
| 13:13:21 | preglow | then fwpatcher needs some looking at |
| 13:13:33 | amiconn | preglow: Bitrate wise? |
| 13:13:35 | preglow | integrating fwpatcher into christi's utility would be better |
| 13:13:42 | preglow | amiconn: no, computationally |
| 13:13:49 | amiconn | Yeah, I know that |
| 13:13:49 | tucoz | What does that utility do? |
| 13:14:00 | amiconn | That's why I say we want to get it going |
| 13:14:28 | amiconn | FLAC will be really hard if at all possible |
| 13:14:36 | preglow | i'd say it's not possible |
| 13:15:17 | preglow | you _might_ be able to use the sh mac unit in lpc |
| 13:15:22 | preglow | but i still think it'll be too much |
| 13:18:09 | linuxstb | That's my point really - is it worth the enormous effort to get FLAC playback working (assuming it can happen) if the battery life is likely to be around 4 hours? |
| 13:18:27 | tucoz | I give up. I think I'll leave the actual writing of the manual to people able to do write properly. |
| 13:18:30 | linuxstb | (I'm trying to think of practical options for a very large capacity DAP with FLAC playback) |
| 13:19:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: if ppl have their entire collection in FLAC wouldnt u assume they care about sound quality more than battery life? |
| 13:19:31 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, but battery life is still very important. |
| 13:19:39 | JdGordon | not so much |
| 13:19:59 | JdGordon | 4 hours isnt so short anyway |
| 13:21:28 | preglow | tucoz: why? people can always fix up on it later anyway |
| 13:21:30 | tucoz | What capacity do the largest 1.8" hard disks ? |
| 13:21:45 | JdGordon | 40gb single platter iirc |
| 13:21:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: Remember that the 4 hours are for stock 1500 mAh batteries |
| 13:22:02 | amiconn | NiMHs are available up to 2600 mAh nowadays |
| 13:22:11 | * | amiconn uses 2500 mAh |
| 13:22:42 | amiconn | It might be better on Ondio since there is no mechanical storage involved |
| 13:23:03 | amiconn | ...but then it will even harder to get it running realtime despite the ~9% higher clock |
| 13:24:10 | linuxstb | OK, so it wouldn't be a ridiculous solution - if it worked. |
| 13:24:15 | tucoz | preglow, it's boring |
| 13:24:31 | preglow | tucoz: that it is :> |
| 13:28:22 | tucoz | is the firmware file called rockbox.ipod on the ipods? |
| 13:28:41 | linuxstb | tucoz: The largest 1.8" disks are 60GB. Toshiba announced 80GB drives about a year ago (but they still aren't shipping afaik). |
| 13:28:49 | linuxstb | tucoz: Yes. |
| 13:29:07 | tucoz | linuxstb, ok. Thanks. Well, isn't 80GB quite large a capacity? |
| 13:29:26 | linuxstb | Yes, but still isn't enough to hold an entire CD collection in FLAC. |
| 13:29:37 | linuxstb | And they aren't available... |
| 13:30:08 | tucoz | No, that is true. You'll have to buy a 300GB portable hard disk for that :-) |
| 13:30:13 | tucoz | or more |
| 13:31:06 | tucoz | and that depends on the size of the CD collection. Doesn't it? |
| 13:31:42 | linuxstb | I think 120GB would cover mine - probably about 350 CDs (including a fair number of singles) |
| 13:32:43 | tucoz | That is not so bad then. Then you'll be able to use a laptop disk for that. |
| 13:33:04 | linuxstb | Yes - that's why I'm thinking about the potential of my Archos Recorder. |
| 13:33:54 | tucoz | oh, I see. I missed that part of the discussion. Would be cool if FLAC playback were possible on that. |
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| 13:34:40 | JdGordon | can u really tell the diff between FLAC and a high quality mp3? |
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| 13:34:47 | tucoz | Is the fw-file called rockbox.ondio for the ondios? |
| 13:34:48 | linuxstb | More likely than not it won't be. But I think it's worth a little more experimentation. |
| 13:34:48 | preglow | some people say they can |
| 13:35:00 | * | JdGordon can hardly tell the diff between cd and 128kb mp3 |
| 13:35:14 | tucoz | some people even says rockbox sounds like a bag of shit |
| 13:35:33 | amiconn | preglow: Please remind me what steps flac decoding needs. The lpc stuff doesn't look too complex (after seeing your coldfire asm loops) |
| 13:36:15 | amiconn | tucoz: No. On all archoses, the rockbox binary has to use the same name as the archos disk firmwares in order to replace it. |
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| 13:36:36 | * | tucoz is listening to metal from a 64kbs ogg-stream. Sounds quite ok imo |
| 13:36:37 | amiconn | Not all archoses are flashable, and perhaps some users don't want, or don't dare, to flash |
| 13:37:02 | amiconn | The name is ajbrec.ajz on all units except player, where it's called archos.mod |
| 13:37:17 | tucoz | amiconn, ok. Thanks. |
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| 13:38:12 | tucoz | wonder what the x5 file is called |
| 13:38:18 | tucoz | rockbox.x5 perhaps |
| 13:38:31 | preglow | amiconn: not too much, really, rice decompression of curry samples, residue and filter coefs, then either fixed block predictor or lpc decoding |
| 13:38:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: It seems very dependent on the music. I can almost always tell the difference between CD and 128 kbps, and sometimes even 160 kbps |
| 13:39:07 | preglow | amiconn: i think i did a test once on coldfire using a 16x16bit emac for the lpc decoding, and i think i remember it worked just fine |
| 13:39:16 | amiconn | I am using lame −−preset standard, for which I can't tell the difference to CD |
| 13:39:46 | amiconn | Files usually end up around 180..250 kbps this way, sometimes lower |
| 13:39:51 | tucoz | preglow, is this a real term " rice decompression of curry samples"? |
| 13:40:00 | preglow | amiconn: so perhaps we've got a bona fide first use for the sh mac unit here |
| 13:40:09 | preglow | tucoz: ahahah, i believe so |
| 13:40:16 | tucoz | hehe, funny |
| 13:40:20 | preglow | indeed it is |
| 13:40:22 | preglow | didn't see it myself, haha |
| 13:40:58 | preglow | i've seen a lot of names for those first samples |
| 13:41:17 | preglow | the trick is using the most amusing one |
| 13:41:59 | tucoz | hehe, using funny/geeky names is the essence of computer science |
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| 13:43:12 | * | amiconn has to look up rice compression |
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| 13:44:52 | preglow | amiconn: the libffmpeg flac source is really a very nice little reference on how flac works |
| 13:44:55 | preglow | amiconn: consider reading it |
| 13:44:56 | Cassandra | Right. Got that out of my system. Hopefully it wasn't too ranty. |
| 13:45:29 | linuxstb | Anyone know if this would fit in an Archos Recorder? http://shopping.zdnet.co.uk/shopping/storage/hard-drives/0,20000310,21637761p,00.htm |
| 13:45:51 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes it does |
| 13:46:14 | linuxstb | But the problem is that the USB bridge can only access the first 137GB? |
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| 13:46:23 | Zagor | exactly |
| 13:46:55 | linuxstb | If it was formatted and populated outside the Archos, would Rockbox handle it? |
| 13:47:35 | Zagor | no, we don't support lba48 either |
| 13:47:46 | Zagor | at least last I checked :-) |
| 13:48:06 | linuxstb | Is it theoretically possible? |
| 13:48:09 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:48:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:48:10 | preglow | Cassandra: i think that warrants sticky status |
| 13:48:11 | B4gder | it is possible |
| 13:48:38 | Cassandra | preglow, thanks |
| 13:48:41 | * | B4gder stuck it |
| 13:48:43 | linuxstb | OK, so all I need to do is make FLAC decoded on an 11MHz SH1 and add lba48 support to Rockbox.... |
| 13:49:20 | Zagor | yes, nothing more :-) |
| 13:49:26 | linuxstb | Oh, and hope that someone gets the PCM codec working... |
| 13:49:59 | tucoz | I think having an \opt{ipod} \opt{archos} \opt{iriver} could be useful in the manual |
| 13:50:20 | preglow | tucoz: for what, exactly? |
| 13:51:01 | tucoz | preglow, for instance \opt{iriver}{rockbox.iriver} |
| 13:51:29 | preglow | tucoz: sure, then put it in |
| 13:51:42 | linuxstb | tucoz: The firmware filename could just be a macro in the platform.tex file |
| 13:51:49 | Cassandra | I've never been stickied before. I feel all important. ;) |
| 13:52:21 | Cassandra | linuxstb, think that's a better idea. More readable. |
| 13:52:26 | linuxstb | tucoz: i.e. \newcommand{\firmwarefilename}{rockbox.iriver} |
| 13:52:32 | tucoz | linuxstb, that also. I was just contemplating the possibilty of brand-specific stuff. |
| 13:52:45 | tucoz | linuxstb, I do that instead. Thanks |
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| 13:53:34 | preglow | tucoz: very little is brand specific |
| 13:53:37 | linuxstb | tucoz: In the Rockbox source, there are almost no #ifdefs referring to the actual player brand. So I'm not sure if the manual will need them either. |
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| 13:53:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Plus, you should enable multivolume support, and make 2 partitions, one of them below the lba28 barrier |
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| 13:54:08 | preglow | btw, what do you guys think about line out volume? fixed at max if possible, or optional? |
| 13:54:11 | Cassandra | Hmmm - who is ThomJohansen? |
| 13:54:15 | preglow | Cassandra: that'd be me |
| 13:54:21 | Cassandra | preglow, Oh, right. ;) |
| 13:54:23 | tucoz | preglow, linuxstb, you are probably right. I think the macro is better anyway. That is, make use of the platform files |
| 13:54:41 | Cassandra | preglow, it's my feeling that line out should always be at line level. |
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| 13:55:00 | preglow | Cassandra: mine too, some people seem to think differently, just wondering how many, heh |
| 13:55:14 | XavierGr | Am I dreaming or I just saw an X5 bootloader? |
| 13:55:18 | linuxstb | Why don't we just change it to be fixed at 0dB and see if anyone complains? |
| 13:55:20 | preglow | XavierGr: dream |
| 13:55:25 | preglow | linuxstb: good idea |
| 13:55:27 | Cassandra | preglow, who cares? They're all wrong. ;) |
| 13:55:34 | preglow | i say we do what linuxstb does |
| 13:55:47 | B4gder | I agree |
| 13:55:51 | preglow | now let me just dig up that patch again |
| 13:57:52 | amiconn | preglow: Well, if iPod line out can be fixed at line level, then go for it I'd say |
| 13:57:54 | JdGordon | any1 wanna comment on my mailing list spammage? |
| 13:58:00 | amiconn | Everything else makes no sense... |
| 13:58:05 | preglow | hmm, doesn't wm8731 allow line out volume control? |
| 13:58:11 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, some of the ipod codecs seem to do |
| 13:58:24 | linuxstb | preglow: All of them do AFAIK. |
| 13:58:26 | Zagor | JdGordon: i'm about to write a reply |
| 13:58:41 | JdGordon | ok, then ill stick around for a bit b4 going to bed |
| 13:58:53 | preglow | linuxstb: what uses wm8731? |
| 13:59:15 | linuxstb | I think it's the 3G. |
| 13:59:35 | preglow | ok, we'll just add that as soon as we can test it |
| 13:59:39 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, I still have no idea if the 3G audio driver is working. SlimX seems to have disappeared. |
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| 13:59:57 | preglow | linuxstb: i also have no idea if timer.c works for 3g and earlier |
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| 14:00:05 | Zagor | JdGordon: or we can just take it here. basically I think you're going about it the wrong way. creating 20 "abstract" buttons doesn't really make things much easier. we have targets with 12 buttons and targets with 6. |
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| 14:01:18 | JdGordon | ye, some of the buttons would just be redefines of the same thing... what about the first msg? |
| 14:02:11 | preglow | linuxstb: so ok, 8758 and 8975 covers all post3g targets? |
| 14:02:25 | linuxstb | The problem I see with the buttons is that the assignment depends on the context. For example, on the ipod, MENU should be used to bring up the menu. But in situations where cursor movement in four directions is needed, then MENU is used for Up movement. |
| 14:02:32 | Zagor | JdGordon: better, but too abstract to replace all current button code. |
| 14:02:43 | linuxstb | preglow: I _think_ the mini has something else. But yes, those two cover the 4G, Nano and 5G. |
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| 14:03:20 | Zagor | linuxstb: exactly. that's why I think we need to define all the "actions" that need buttons, and then try to make an abstraction to assign buttons to actions. |
| 14:03:50 | Zagor | "up" is not an action |
| 14:03:55 | Zagor | "vol+" is an action |
| 14:04:03 | linuxstb | In games, "up" is an action. |
| 14:04:24 | JdGordon | then youll get much more than 20 abstracted buttons.. ? |
| 14:04:48 | Zagor | yes, and in file browser. but it's not a single action. there can be several different "up"s that need different buttons |
| 14:05:03 | B4gder | LinusN: the ld failure in the build table was a build script bug |
| 14:05:07 | linuxstb | I agree - "move up" in a game, isn't the same as "move up in a list" |
| 14:05:07 | Zagor | JdGordon: my point is that I think we should abstract the actions, not the buttons |
| 14:05:56 | Cassandra | "move up in a list" is more correctly described as "previous item" |
| 14:06:22 | linuxstb | Zagor: We already do that to some extent - e.g. the definitions in menu.h or tree.h. I think we just need to extend (and merge) the existing abtract button definitions. |
| 14:06:30 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes |
| 14:06:38 | B4gder | and put them in a central place |
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| 14:06:48 | Cassandra | We had a big discussion about this at Devcon. |
| 14:07:04 | Cassandra | I'm supposed to be drawing up a list in my Copious Free Time. |
| 14:07:33 | Zagor | Cassandra: I jotted down some quick notes in wiki: DevconNotes. feel free to expand. |
| 14:07:34 | B4gder | we suggest you just quit your job and work on this full-time! |
| 14:07:44 | JdGordon | Cassandra: ive got all the defined buttons in the source in a txt file.. |
| 14:07:47 | * | B4gder runs |
| 14:08:01 | Zagor | JdGordon: that list is a good start |
| 14:08:02 | linuxstb | Did you discuss having priorities for buttons. Taking my ipod example again, it would be desirable to map MENU to bring up the menu whereever possible, but if MENU is needed for something else (up), then we should fall back to something else. |
| 14:08:09 | Cassandra | B4gder, sadly my job is being professionally ill. |
| 14:08:19 | Cassandra | I'd love to quit it and work on Rockbox full time. |
| 14:08:30 | Cassandra | Unfortunately no-one seems to want to offer me the option. |
| 14:09:25 | Cassandra | Now I have two whole stickies. I'm going up in the world. |
| 14:09:30 | Zagor | linuxstb: I don't think we need to add priorities. we just need a big list per target. |
| 14:09:38 | preglow | but ok, i commited a partial patch, should i close the main one and mark it accepted? :> |
| 14:10:25 | Zagor | plus, we need a new abstraction level to take care of what is done today using the _PRE |
| 14:10:28 | Cassandra | What was the rest of the patch? |
| 14:10:40 | preglow | Cassandra: settings code |
| 14:10:51 | preglow | someone might still find it useful |
| 14:10:53 | Zagor | (I am not too happy about putting that in the button driver) |
| 14:10:54 | preglow | but the patch wont apply anymore |
| 14:10:58 | Cassandra | Yeah. Close it. |
| 14:11:15 | JdGordon | Zagor: the first part of my msg sort of deals with that... |
| 14:11:16 | Cassandra | It'll still be on the tracker. |
| 14:11:26 | amiconn | Zagor: _PRE does short/long press separation, double click on Ondio, and afaik the short-long sequence for the ugly folder skip |
| 14:11:57 | JdGordon | no-one is asaying its not needed.. but it needs to be done in a nicer way.. |
| 14:12:00 | Cassandra | I'd love to know why my H100 occasionally leaps albums on a "next/previous track". |
| 14:12:29 | preglow | Cassandra: you press the button twice ? |
| 14:12:51 | preglow | i think there's some action associated with short press then long press |
| 14:13:43 | preglow | oooh, red builds |
| 14:14:05 | Jungti1234 | grrrr |
| 14:14:08 | B4gder | preglow: not real reds though |
| 14:14:15 | B4gder | build server messup |
| 14:14:18 | preglow | ahahah |
| 14:14:20 | preglow | so i see |
| 14:14:32 | B4gder | we have a few server newbies in there ;-) |
| 14:14:32 | preglow | not pathing the compilers is a rather nice error |
| 14:14:33 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, but to be able to not always react on button-up we need to mix that handling with the button/action mapping. and then we're definitely in apps/ terrotory. |
| 14:14:50 | Cassandra | preglow, is there? Oh gods - whose bright idea was that? |
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| 14:15:01 | JdGordon | ooh.. some new servers.. |
| 14:15:05 | preglow | B4gder: farsan.haxx.se? :PPP |
| 14:15:24 | preglow | Cassandra: anton's, i think |
| 14:15:27 | preglow | Cassandra: he disappeared |
| 14:15:38 | B4gder | 8 servers now and more in the pipe... |
| 14:15:40 | preglow | can't remember the nick |
| 14:15:45 | preglow | ahhh, it was len0x |
| 14:16:10 | Cassandra | preglow: IMHO long-short at its siblings is a step in complexity too far. |
| 14:16:26 | linuxstb | preglow: Looking at the WM8731 datasheet, it seems the line-out is at a fixed level on those devices. So the patch is right not to define a set_lineout_vol() for the WM8731. |
| 14:16:30 | preglow | Cassandra: i kind of agree |
| 14:16:38 | Bg3r | Cassandra in fact this idea is taken from the original iriver fw ... |
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| 14:16:49 | preglow | linuxstb: which involved no further work! hooray! |
| 14:16:58 | Bg3r | in it "short-next,long-next" maps to next folder |
| 14:17:35 | preglow | B4gder: sounds like you're starting to distribute build responsibilities to your family or something |
| 14:17:41 | preglow | B4gder: which would of course be The Right Thing |
| 14:17:45 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:17:50 | tucoz | Febs, if you read this. Sorry, but I needed to add a reference in the file your'e working on. It's a very minor change, and I hope I didn't break anything. |
| 14:17:57 | B4gder | Haxx owns the server farm ;-) |
| 14:18:12 | B4gder | farsan is LinusN's box |
| 14:18:19 | bobTHC | debiab |
| 14:18:23 | bobTHC | n |
| 14:18:28 | amiconn | Zagor: What do you mean? My idea is to put that lastbutton stuff in button.c, and send special _SHORTPRESS _LONGPRESS and DBLCLICK events in addition to the standard ones |
| 14:18:49 | amiconn | The we'll never need the _PRE stuff and lastbutton in the actual button event loops |
| 14:19:19 | Bg3r | amiconn this one alone won't solve *all* problems |
| 14:19:34 | amiconn | Which ones wouldn't be solved? |
| 14:19:48 | Zagor | we still want to map actions to buttons outside the event loops |
| 14:20:01 | Bg3r | the problems with the 2 LCD remotes for irivers ... |
| 14:20:04 | preglow | linuxstb: had a look at the demux.c patch? |
| 14:20:24 | Zagor | but possibly that can be done with simple #defines if your concept works. I haven't really thought it though yet. |
| 14:20:35 | Bg3r | where in the one remote ffwd is used for next item in the list |
| 14:20:40 | amiconn | Zagor: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 14:20:50 | Bg3r | and in the other (h300) vol- should be used for the same |
| 14:21:05 | Bg3r | and that should be done run-time ... |
| 14:21:18 | amiconn | With that concept, you can e.g. just #define FM_RECORD (BUTTON_MODE|BUTTON_DBLCLICK) for Ondio |
| 14:21:19 | Zagor | Bg3r: right. defines are out :-) |
| 14:21:27 | Bg3r | yep |
| 14:21:36 | amiconn | ...and you'll never need that _PRE stuff again |
| 14:21:42 | Bg3r | Zagor in fact i've done something that nearly works atm for irivers ... |
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| 14:22:00 | Bg3r | nearly as it has some issues |
| 14:22:03 | Bg3r | still |
| 14:23:11 | Bg3r | i'm calling it as button=nav_trans(<button_returning_function>,lastbutton); while(something) {/* some stuff */ lastbutton=button; } |
| 14:24:06 | amiconn | The lastbutton business needs to be squashed |
| 14:24:16 | Cassandra | With hammers. |
| 14:24:24 | Bg3r | amiconn yep |
| 14:24:31 | Jungti1234 | Paprica? |
| 14:24:45 | amiconn | It makes the code less portable, or rather unreadable with a ton of #ifdefs |
| 14:25:06 | Bg3r | the other problem is that in the wps we want one mapping, and in the navigation (tree/menus...) we want other ... |
| 14:25:42 | Zagor | Bg3r: that's why I'm harping about "actions" instead of buttons. |
| 14:25:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Only briefly. It looks fine, but I haven't tested.it. |
| 14:26:05 | JdGordon | my suggestion removes all #ifdefs inside the button loop... |
| 14:26:10 | amiconn | Zagor: Actions won't really help here |
| 14:26:10 | JdGordon | anway, im giong to bed |
| 14:26:12 | JdGordon | gnite all |
| 14:26:18 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 14:26:20 | Zagor | amiconn: ...because? |
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| 14:26:38 | Cassandra | We'll end up with a huge list of #ifdefs per platform either way. |
| 14:26:49 | Cassandra | At least with the new system it'll all be in one place. |
| 14:27:07 | Zagor | I don't think it has to be many ifdefs per platform |
| 14:27:35 | Zagor | many #defines yes, but not many ifdefs |
| 14:28:03 | amiconn | One .h file with all the button->action mapping, with one huge #ifdef ... #elif defined.... #elif defined ... |
| 14:28:21 | B4gder | now we want a commit |
| 14:28:21 | amiconn | Then no #ifdefs will remain in event loops where all actions are possible on all targets, |
| 14:28:30 | Zagor | exactly. only we need to use variables to support different remotes. |
| 14:28:32 | Bg3r | http://pastebin.com/616011 <= my current work in progress |
| 14:28:50 | amiconn | and only simple #ifdef ACTION .... #endif for actions not available on all targets |
| 14:29:15 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:29:26 | Bg3r | Zagor variables like ? |
| 14:29:37 | Cassandra | Sorry, I meant #defines |
| 14:30:01 | amiconn | Hmm, I'm thinking about the variables idea. |
| 14:30:03 | Zagor | Bg3r: we can't hardcode button->action with defines if we want to support dynamically switching between remotes |
| 14:30:09 | Zagor | ..as you said |
| 14:30:17 | amiconn | We certainly don't want it to always be variables, |
| 14:30:34 | amiconn | as that would bloat code on targets where it's unnecessary |
| 14:31:10 | Bg3r | http://pastebin.com/616013 <= the corresponding .h |
| 14:31:14 | Zagor | I'd say I want to see a cost/benefit analysis before speaking my mind on that :-) |
| 14:31:28 | amiconn | I want zero cost or less on archos... |
| 14:31:45 | tucoz | Are the wikipages GPL? And how do you think we should deal with the copyright statement in the manual? Could we just point to the Credits list in the appendix? |
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| 14:32:43 | Zagor | amiconn: replacing variables with defines should be a pretty simple thing though. simply #define var_action_foo BUTTON_X |
| 14:33:06 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 14:33:07 | amiconn | I'd rather define the buttons as variable for the multi-remote pb |
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| 14:33:27 | tucoz | gotta eat, bbl |
| 14:33:29 | Bg3r | we can't switch on variables ... |
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| 14:34:12 | Zagor | having two different methods of handling buttons will not make the code as clean as we want it to be |
| 14:34:14 | Cassandra- | Handling remote sensibly is kind of confusing. |
| 14:34:25 | Bg3r | yes :( |
| 14:34:43 | Cassandra- | I don't think it ought to be necessary to go through the source code adding remote support on an item by item basis. |
| 14:35:10 | amiconn | Cassandra: It's not the remote handling, but the diversity of having multiple remotes for the same target that makes it confusing |
| 14:35:22 | Zagor | Cassandra: definitely not. remote buttons should simply be able to trigger the same actions as "main" buttons- |
| 14:35:35 | * | Bg3r is happy that at least the disscussion about this began ... |
| 14:35:37 | Cassandra- | Is there any reason why we can't return BUTTON_<equivalent_key> | BUTTON_REMOTE |
| 14:35:55 | preglow | ooh, someone coded an alac encoder |
| 14:36:00 | preglow | now lets hope no one uses it |
| 14:36:06 | Bg3r | haha :) |
| 14:36:17 | preglow | it's quite marvelous |
| 14:36:28 | preglow | they're using adaptive filtering and actually manage to score worse than flac |
| 14:36:43 | LinusN | Cassandra: because the keylock is in software on the archos, and we need to differ between remote and main events |
| 14:37:12 | amiconn | Bg3r: If we would return action values we'd run out of bits... |
| 14:37:35 | amiconn | LinusN: That's not a problem |
| 14:37:42 | Cassandra- | Erm, what's wrong with if(BUTTON_KEYLOCK || ! BUTTON_REMOTE) ? |
| 14:37:52 | Bg3r | amiconn not exactly, i'm using 2 bits more ... |
| 14:38:30 | amiconn | Bg3r: I don't think returning actions _and_ raw button codes mixes well, or even at all |
| 14:38:45 | amiconn | ...but we need to return raw button codes, for plugins at least |
| 14:38:57 | Bg3r | yes ... |
| 14:39:14 | Zagor | yes, we'll simply have different functions. get_action() or get_button() sort of. |
| 14:39:16 | amiconn | I wonder why we shouldn't be able to switch on variables... |
| 14:39:27 | ep0ch | what does stereo width > 100 imply? |
| 14:39:37 | Bg3r | amiconn the idea is simple... if there is not NAV_RECOGN bit, then the button is raw (or with a NAV_SKIP flag) |
| 14:39:38 | amiconn | Zagor: Then how would you know in advance which type expected next? |
| 14:39:48 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm curious about that ALAC encoder. I read comments from David Hammerton at the same time he released his decoder that he had a proof-of-concept working encoder. But he never released his code, and now the dbPowerAmp people have released a closed source encoder, with a promise to open up the source at some point in the future. |
| 14:39:49 | Cassandra- | Agreed - but I think it should take work to make the remote work differently from the main unit. Not the other way around. |
| 14:40:14 | Zagor | amiconn: next? |
| 14:40:20 | Cassandra- | Since in most cases you want the remote and the main unit to do the same thing. |
| 14:40:37 | Cassandra- | What's ALAC anyway? |
| 14:40:39 | LinusN | i remember that we went away from the idea with having MAIN_KEY|BUTTON_REMOTE for a reason |
| 14:40:49 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Apple's Lossless Audio Codec. |
| 14:41:12 | Zagor | LinusN: one reason is that many remotes have unique buttons that don't map to the main buttons |
| 14:41:27 | LinusN | yes, that's one good reason |
| 14:41:28 | Bg3r | yeah, the iriver remotes have 2 buttons more than the main unit |
| 14:41:46 | Bg3r | (ones with lcd) |
| 14:42:00 | LinusN | the action concept is much better imho |
| 14:42:03 | amiconn | Zagor: button_get() removes the event from the queue. Now what if it was an action event after all? |
| 14:42:32 | Cassandra- | Actions are good, yes. |
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| 14:42:44 | amiconn | LinusN: Another eason is that we want to be able to detect main & remote buttons at the same time. |
| 14:42:52 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:42:55 | Cassandra- | It's just that there probably ought to be a way to determine whether an action originated from the remote or not. |
| 14:42:56 | amiconn | main-remote dual-player games are one application |
| 14:43:00 | Zagor | amiconn: ah. in my mind, the queue always contains button events. button_get() returns the next. action_get() translates to action and returns that. |
| 14:43:18 | Bg3r | i'm with Zagor ... |
| 14:43:33 | Zagor | i.e. action_get() is application code |
| 14:43:47 | amiconn | Hmm......... |
| 14:44:09 | Cassandra- | I'm with Stupid ... |
| 14:44:14 | amiconn | What if there's a loop that needs both? |
| 14:44:24 | Bg3r | amiconn one var more ... |
| 14:44:29 | Zagor | why would it? |
| 14:44:36 | amiconn | It would certainly get larger and less straightforward |
| 14:44:41 | Zagor | I have no problem with saying "use either this or that, not both" |
| 14:44:50 | amiconn | Zagor: In plugins I expect this for sure |
| 14:44:52 | Bg3r | tha action_get can be something like my nav_trans (without the lastbutton param) |
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| 14:45:19 | Bg3r | what's the problem with act=action_get(butt=button_get(true)) ; ? |
| 14:45:31 | amiconn | And, if you don't go thorugh the get_action(), this mechanism wouldn't have the correct lastbutton info |
| 14:45:34 | Zagor | amiconn: in any case, I don't see a problem with it. action_get() grabs as many events as it needs. then when you call button_get() it will simply return the next. |
| 14:46:06 | Bg3r | ah, this won't work sometimes, forget me |
| 14:46:06 | Zagor | right, that is a problem |
| 14:46:12 | LinusN | Zagor: what about action_get_w_tmo()? |
| 14:46:21 | Zagor | LinusN: what about it? |
| 14:46:52 | LinusN | it may be tricky if it times out in the middle of a sequence, or? |
| 14:46:52 | amiconn | Hmm... |
| 14:47:18 | Zagor | LinusN: that can be handled |
| 14:47:38 | amiconn | *If* we go for the action translation idea (I'm still not convinced that this has a benefit), then we should make this pluggable |
| 14:47:53 | amiconn | ...and reserve a certain action range for plugins |
| 14:48:04 | amiconn | This way plugins could add theeir own translation |
| 14:48:10 | amiconn | ...at runtime |
| 14:48:17 | amiconn | ...and always uses actions this way |
| 14:48:27 | Zagor | sounds good |
| 14:48:42 | Zagor | what do you see as the alternative to actions? |
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| 14:50:38 | amiconn | Zagor: I'm not against defining actions, I mean action translation as opposed to #defining actions |
| 14:50:53 | Zagor | aha |
| 14:51:00 | Bg3r | amiconn than what should we do with the iriver remotes ? |
| 14:51:27 | Zagor | or cassandras nano remote... ;-) |
| 14:51:43 | amiconn | Bg3r: Scrap them ;) |
| 14:51:52 | amiconn | Nah, not really |
| 14:52:05 | Bg3r | there is an easy way for the iriver ones ... "okay H100|H300 guys, u'll have to accept the worse button mappings" |
| 14:52:51 | amiconn | Why won't variable switch() cases work? |
| 14:53:02 | amiconn | Note that I never tried that... |
| 14:53:16 | Bg3r | amiconn i mean we can't switch(bla) var1: do something; break; var2: ... |
| 14:53:24 | Cassandra | Copyright notice on the wiki needs updating to 2006. |
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| 14:53:59 | Zagor | amiconn: C simply does not allow it. switches are per definition for constants. |
| 14:54:05 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 14:54:17 | Bg3r | yes :( |
| 14:54:30 | kclaf | cassandra : lets set it to 2007 so we're clear for one more year |
| 14:54:37 | Bg3r | otherwise the problem wouldn't exist ... |
| 14:55:04 | tucoz | Cassandra, what should I do about the Copyright in the manual? |
| 14:55:05 | amiconn | Bg3r: The bad thing with the action translation is that it makes it unobvious which actions may happen on a certain target, and which don't |
| 14:55:09 | Bg3r | okay, then we have an option to bloat the code with ifs... |
| 14:55:21 | Bg3r | amiconn why ? |
| 14:55:24 | amiconn | ...but we want the impossible actions to be #ifdefed out, for the sake of code size |
| 14:55:30 | Bg3r | the actions itself are defines ... |
| 14:55:43 | Bg3r | ifdef NAV_LVL_UP... blabla #endif |
| 14:55:49 | amiconn | Yes |
| 14:55:56 | amiconn | Hmm, actually ok |
| 14:56:11 | amiconn | How would the translation work then? |
| 14:56:29 | Bg3r | in fact i want to hear a better idea than mine ... |
| 14:56:35 | Cassandra | tucoz: do in what sense? |
| 14:56:47 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, it's the same encoder. the coder says they aren't allowed to open it by license :// |
| 14:56:58 | Bg3r | amiconn what are the worse button combos for now ? |
| 14:57:08 | Bg3r | worst |
| 14:57:25 | preglow | fine by me, i'd rather not see alac spread any furhter |
| 14:57:34 | Bg3r | short-long in iriver (next track) |
| 14:57:35 | Bg3r | and ? |
| 14:57:42 | Bg3r | double click ? |
| 14:58:20 | tucoz | Cassandra, when you wrote the manual, I suppose you did most of it yourself. As it is now, we want as many as possible to work on it. Therefore, we need to agree on what should be written in the copyright statement for the GFDL |
| 14:58:43 | Cassandra | Copyright by the contributors 200?-2006 |
| 14:58:57 | tucoz | Something like that yes |
| 14:58:58 | preglow | LinusN: nice work |
| 14:59:02 | Cassandra | Actually no. |
| 14:59:15 | Cassandra | Copyright The Rockbox Project |
| 14:59:34 | Bg3r | Cassandra huh |
| 14:59:42 | tucoz | As far as I have understood, that is not a valid statement. I think we need names |
| 14:59:42 | Cassandra | People working on the manual should be assigning their copyright to the project. |
| 14:59:49 | sneakums | is there a "rockbox project" to which to assign the copyright? |
| 14:59:52 | linuxstb | But I didn't think "The Rockbox Project" exists as an entity. |
| 14:59:59 | Cassandra | Hmmm. |
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| 15:00:14 | Cassandra | Better just stick with my first suggestion then. |
| 15:00:22 | amiconn | Bg3r: Short-long on iriver, double click on Ondio, and triple-presses in the text viewer on player |
| 15:00:27 | LinusN | preglow: thx |
| 15:00:28 | * | Cassandra has been thinking about overhauling the credits somewhat. |
| 15:00:42 | LinusN | the credits? why? |
| 15:00:42 | Cassandra | TRIPLE-PRESSES! Ick! |
| 15:00:50 | tucoz | But, we could have Copyright by the contributors as listed on page 99 2001-2006 |
| 15:01:06 | Bg3r | tripple presses ??? |
| 15:01:08 | Bg3r | wow |
| 15:01:11 | Cassandra | tucoz - we could, but it's unnecessary. |
| 15:01:30 | amiconn | Bg3r: Yes, line ON+MENU+LEFT |
| 15:01:32 | Cassandra | (listing the contributors on page 99 is fine.) |
| 15:01:43 | tucoz | Oh, I see |
| 15:01:45 | amiconn | This has to go for sure |
| 15:01:52 | Bg3r | amiconn yes, to a menu... |
| 15:01:53 | Zagor | amiconn: ah, combos. I was scared it was triple-click |
| 15:01:57 | * | amiconn wants a settings menu in viewer.rock |
| 15:01:59 | Cassandra | linusn: Because newer contributors tend to get buried. |
| 15:02:37 | Cassandra | It's not something I feel terribly strongly about, but I think it's handy to be able to pick out the dev team. |
| 15:02:58 | preglow | what do you mean by the dev team? |
| 15:03:00 | linuxstb | But the "dev team" is transient... |
| 15:03:24 | preglow | the closest thing there is to a dev team is linus, daniel and björn |
| 15:03:33 | * | Bg3r for sure won't contribute to the manual with his "perfect" english ... |
| 15:03:48 | Cassandra | So I'd suggest categories like: Lead Developers, Developers, Graphics Subsystem Lead, Cat Herder/Lead Technical Author (guess who that one is), Techinical Authors, Contributors. |
| 15:03:52 | lostlogic | hmm... why does powering on via charger cause the ipod bootloader to clear settings? |
| 15:03:56 | tucoz | Aka, "the Rockbox three" |
| 15:04:28 | Cassandra | I prefer "Unholy triumverate", but perhaps "Lead Developers" is clearer. |
| 15:04:29 | preglow | don't know where i'd fit in all that |
| 15:04:31 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Then there is the problem of people who contribute in multiple areas... |
| 15:04:42 | Cassandra | preglow: Developer, I think. |
| 15:04:52 | Cassandra | Unless you can think of a better place. |
| 15:04:57 | preglow | nah |
| 15:05:08 | Cassandra | linuxstb, well, you'd have to choose where you appeared. |
| 15:05:17 | Zagor | Cassandra: I don't think it's necessary to do that. I actually like that everyone is given the same share of the credit. |
| 15:05:26 | Cassandra | (Otherwise I'd appear in the credits about 6 times, which is just silly.) |
| 15:05:57 | Cassandra | Zagor: I agree with that point of view too to an extent. |
| 15:06:27 | tucoz | and that credit list is definitley easier to maintain. |
| 15:06:35 | Cassandra | However, I think say preglow deserves a mention on a different level to someone who submitted a one line patch. |
| 15:06:37 | Bg3r | Other point of view : Name: Lead Developer, Graphics ... |
| 15:06:49 | amiconn | Cassandra: Imho we should stick to the simple historical order |
| 15:07:16 | sneakums | not familiar with the history of the project, so maybe a founders/contributors split wouldn't work |
| 15:07:26 | amiconn | It's really hard to determine an *amount* of contribution based on line counts |
| 15:07:38 | Cassandra | Which is why I think we should do it by role. |
| 15:07:38 | bobTHC | indeed |
| 15:07:46 | amiconn | Sometimes a few-lines fix means more work than several full source files |
| 15:07:57 | Bg3r | exactly .. |
| 15:07:59 | Cassandra | (Developers being people with CVS access, contributors being a catch all.) |
| 15:08:01 | amiconn | (thinking of e.g. finding the rld cause) |
| 15:08:11 | Bg3r | amiconn just to point that :P |
| 15:08:14 | preglow | the only thing i dislike about the current credits list is that it really is quite unusable |
| 15:08:32 | preglow | but i don't see what use it would have anyway :> |
| 15:08:38 | amiconn | The scroll is too slow. Speed should be based on font height |
| 15:08:50 | tucoz | amiconn, it's not too slow on the h1xx. |
| 15:08:57 | Bg3r | btw is there in rb a way to get the FAT's cluster size? |
| 15:09:04 | Cassandra | The distinctions already exist. It seems a little silly to hide them out of some sort of egalitarian principle we don't really observe anyway. |
| 15:09:15 | tucoz | amiconn, if it were faster it would be unreadable |
| 15:09:58 | amiconn | tucoz: It really depends on font size. With an 8px font it's okay, but with a 24px font e.g. on H300 scrolling the whole list takes nearly forever |
| 15:10:07 | preglow | who reads it anyway? |
| 15:10:22 | tucoz | hehe |
| 15:10:46 | lostlogic | it needs to be based on physical font dimension, not font size... *causes trouble* |
| 15:10:47 | * | tucoz reads 'it' now |
| 15:11:27 | amiconn | lostlogic: Yes, size wasn't precise enough. Font height in pixels it is |
| 15:11:48 | lostlogic | amiconn: but pixels are different sizes on different LCDs was actually my point |
| 15:11:50 | tucoz | Looks like Stevie Oh is on the credits list |
| 15:11:59 | tucoz | wonder if that is his real name |
| 15:12:01 | preglow | if you're first going to elaborate on it, then scroll speed also needs to be independent of cpu freq |
| 15:12:06 | preglow | which it isn't now |
| 15:12:18 | * | Cassandra shrugs. |
| 15:12:23 | preglow | but i don't care |
| 15:12:28 | Cassandra | Sounds like it's too much effort to bother about then. |
| 15:12:30 | preglow | no one ever reads it with the intent of reading all the names |
| 15:12:38 | preglow | at least i can't imagine doing it |
| 15:12:48 | markun | Cassandra: what do you think of the way many movies do it? a few pages for some impostant contributers with their roles maybe and then scrolling for the rest? |
| 15:12:51 | Cassandra | I just thought it'd be kind of useful for people to be able to find out who does what. |
| 15:12:53 | sneakums | i think i just looked once to see my friends' names |
| 15:13:13 | Bg3r | it also needs not turning off the backlight on h300 ... |
| 15:13:20 | preglow | Cassandra: probably would, but should we allow all people to have a lot in a category? |
| 15:13:21 | amiconn | preglow: It should be independent of cpu freq, but isn't because drawing mono bitmaps is still slow... |
| 15:13:26 | preglow | Cassandra: or just someone exceeding some magic limit |
| 15:13:27 | Cassandra | markun, well, that's essentially what I was suggesting, although I wouldn't use the word 'important'. |
| 15:13:34 | * | amiconn wonders what the speed difference is on the colour iPods |
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| 15:14:16 | Cassandra | preglow, I think CVS access is the magic limit. |
| 15:14:27 | lostlogic | amiconn: color ipods, in daylight you can see the screen w/o backlight |
| 15:14:29 | Cassandra | It denotes 'regular contribution'. |
| 15:14:46 | markun | starring Jens Arnold as ... :) |
| 15:14:58 | preglow | Cassandra: yeah, that'd do |
| 15:15:03 | amiconn | lostlogic: I know. Imean how big is the speed difference between boosted/unbossted |
| 15:15:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 15:15:08 | XavierGr | Can somoen explain to me why putty is so slow when I fire it up to connect...? |
| 15:15:19 | preglow | XavierGr: this is #rockbox... |
| 15:15:36 | Cassandra | XavierGr, because establishing an ssh connection has a large initial overhead. |
| 15:15:40 | amiconn | lostlogic: I've actually seen that myself (readability of iPod lcd in daylight) ;) |
| 15:15:53 | kclaf | perhaps u have resolving issues xavierGr |
| 15:16:00 | XavierGr | ok thanks! damn my options are getting less. |
| 15:16:07 | kclaf | i had that too |
| 15:16:13 | sneakums | also the ssh server may be doing a reverse lookup, which can sometimes take a while to time out |
| 15:16:27 | kclaf | correct |
| 15:17:40 | XavierGr | it seems strange to me because OS I want to login is emulated on my machine |
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| 15:18:30 | Bg3r | tucoz where should one look to see all manual's macroses? |
| 15:18:31 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you think about having a "sleep until tick xx" function? That would make it easier to have constant-speed loops |
| 15:19:07 | amiconn | I am actually emulating that with standard sleep() and calculating the number of ticks to sleep in a number of places |
| 15:19:19 | LinusN | make it a macro |
| 15:19:55 | tucoz | Bg3r, the platform files |
| 15:20:05 | tucoz | Bg3r, in the platform folder |
| 15:20:19 | LinusN | amiconn: sleep_until(long tick); |
| 15:20:23 | LinusN | sure, why not? |
| 15:20:24 | sneakums | XavierGr: you could try "UseDNS no" in the sshd config perhaps (assuming it's openssh) |
| 15:20:48 | tucoz | Bg3r, and also in the file preamble.tex in the root folder |
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| 15:21:08 | LinusN | brickmania is black&white on the x5 :-( |
| 15:21:34 | XavierGr | sneakums: thanks I will try |
| 15:21:38 | Bg3r | tucoz why don't u add such info in the wiki (if it isn't there already..) |
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| 15:24:20 | Kyomi | The x5 has a smaller screen.. doesn't it? |
| 15:24:44 | dpro | re |
| 15:25:28 | Kyomi | Wait |
| 15:25:40 | Kyomi | Whats x5 the name of that robot in Short Circuit? |
| 15:25:44 | Zagor | lillebror beat farsan :-) |
| 15:25:48 | Kyomi | Whats = Wasn't |
| 15:26:55 | preglow | Cassandra: but yeah, on the credits idea, should we consider all people who have cvs access developers even though they're not active anymore? |
| 15:27:35 | dpro | gcc-4.0.3 is good for ipod/arm ? |
| 15:27:53 | Bg3r | dpro should be |
| 15:28:20 | bobTHC | Credit is not "current acitve dev list" |
| 15:28:27 | bobTHC | active |
| 15:28:28 | Paprica | LinusN, did you check what i tell you about highscore.c? |
| 15:28:45 | LinusN | not yet |
| 15:28:48 | preglow | LinusN: does backlight dimming work on x5? or do you need timer.c hacks to make it work? |
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| 15:28:55 | Paprica | oh :\ |
| 15:28:57 | LinusN | it might work' |
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| 15:29:48 | Paprica | but it isn't work |
| 15:29:57 | Paprica | (well) |
| 15:30:20 | LinusN | Paprica: that was to preglow |
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| 15:31:25 | Moos | Alelouya LinusN !!! :-) |
| 15:31:35 | markun | Zagor: did you have time to do any tests with git? |
| 15:31:35 | XavierGr | Argh! How do you guys manage it without a GUI? |
| 15:31:42 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:31:42 | * | Moos is dowloading the bootloader for test |
| 15:31:50 | LinusN | XavierGr: manage what? |
| 15:32:00 | XavierGr | Moos: You have an X5? |
| 15:32:11 | Moos | yes sir one 60 gb one |
| 15:32:27 | preglow | was it the x5 that only had 16 megs of ram? |
| 15:32:30 | Zagor | markun: not yet. I converted the repository but I never manage to make it clone:able by git. hadn't had time to look at it more yet. perhaps tomorrow. |
| 15:32:43 | Moos | preglow: yes |
| 15:33:33 | Moos | LinusN: may I test something in particular? |
| 15:33:35 | XavierGr | Linus: Do you job. ;) I am trying to make my life easy compiling rockbox on the VMware image. I don't have copy paste and stuff. I am trying to install a GUI on that image let's see how it goes |
| 15:34:02 | LinusN | my vmware image has gnome :-) |
| 15:34:42 | XavierGr | maybe I will have to try to load up a Ubuntu image. But then I will have to build the cross-compiler. |
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| 15:35:43 | LinusN | what distro is on the vmware image today? |
| 15:35:48 | XavierGr | Moos: What happened to your iriver? |
| 15:35:50 | Bg3r | debian |
| 15:35:55 | Bg3r | afaik |
| 15:36:02 | XavierGr | yes |
| 15:36:09 | XavierGr | a damn small one :) |
| 15:36:14 | LinusN | then it should be easy to install gnome |
| 15:36:16 | linuxstb | apt-get install gnome ? |
| 15:36:28 | XavierGr | is it so easy? |
| 15:36:29 | LinusN | sort of |
| 15:36:30 | Bg3r | there was a "damn small linux" distro .. |
| 15:36:41 | XavierGr | hehe I know |
| 15:37:03 | XavierGr | I am installing tightvcnserver right now. |
| 15:37:25 | Moos | XavierGr: Still using it a bit, it run always good, and it will replace my X5 during the time we can't have dual boot |
| 15:37:32 | Moos | :-) |
| 15:37:40 | XavierGr | H300 or H100? |
| 15:38:13 | Bg3r | XavierGr really, what happened with your h340 |
| 15:38:26 | XavierGr | I don't know. I am still waiting |
| 15:38:28 | Moos | XavierGr: iHP 140 |
| 15:38:38 | Bg3r | XavierGr does iriver.at know ?? |
| 15:38:56 | XavierGr | know what? |
| 15:39:21 | XavierGr | Moos: You sold your soul for a colour screen and USB OTG like me! :D |
| 15:39:40 | Bg3r | XavierGr know where is it ... |
| 15:40:15 | Moos | XavierGr: hehe: :-) I've got still my iriver and it is still one of better Rockbox device for me |
| 15:40:18 | XavierGr | I don't really know. I have lost my interest for it. I am bored to send them an email to ask. |
| 15:40:50 | MrStaticVoid | so is anyone else getting a "Result -5" (bad checksum) when booting on x5? |
| 15:41:18 | XavierGr | Linus: LOL It needs 600MB to install Gnome! |
| 15:41:39 | Bg3r | XavierGr don't give up... |
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| 15:42:01 | XavierGr | I won't I will probably email them tonight. |
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| 15:42:35 | crwl | you don't of course need to install Gnome with all the possible programs it has |
| 15:42:49 | XavierGr | then how can I choose? |
| 15:42:56 | crwl | I suppose a quite well working installation can be stuffed to maybe 100-200 megabytes |
| 15:43:15 | XavierGr | I want only a small GUI. |
| 15:43:19 | bluebrother^ | why don't you use something smaller like fluxbox? |
| 15:43:34 | crwl | bluebrother^, if he likes the Gnome interface? :P |
| 15:43:42 | crwl | (I know I don't :D) |
| 15:43:51 | LinusN | MrStaticVoid: not me :-) |
| 15:44:08 | bluebrother^ | XavierGr: what kind of GUI do you want? |
| 15:44:40 | XavierGr | either a file manager or just a simple copy paste. |
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| 15:44:59 | bluebrother^ | if its only for handling a few windows I would suggest fluxbox. Maybe xfce, but I haven't tried this for some time. |
| 15:45:27 | Bg3r | XavierGr why don't u just apt-get install mc ... |
| 15:45:33 | Bg3r | (midnight commander) |
| 15:45:48 | XavierGr | hmm I will try |
| 15:47:22 | * | Moos is flashing |
| 15:47:23 | davinci | hello |
| 15:47:36 | LinusN | MrStaticVoid: is it the same if you install the latest CVS build? |
| 15:47:47 | markun | Moos: good luck! |
| 15:47:48 | MrStaticVoid | ive installed the latest cvs build and even compiled it myself |
| 15:48:01 | Moos | markun: thanks ! |
| 15:48:05 | MrStaticVoid | i dont know if it means anything, but it also says that the device is the h120 |
| 15:48:20 | LinusN | run configure again |
| 15:48:45 | Moos | LinusN: the bootloader don't want to boot here :-( |
| 15:48:59 | LinusN | Moos: what happens? |
| 15:49:13 | Moos | the boot screen like irivers but when finish, it directly turn of the X5 |
| 15:49:14 | preglow | it seems like something fancy happens in codec swap |
| 15:49:25 | LinusN | Moos: did you install rockbox? |
| 15:49:31 | MrStaticVoid | does it say "Result -5" just before it turns off? |
| 15:49:35 | MrStaticVoid | thats what mine does |
| 15:49:45 | Moos | LinusN: of course ! |
| 15:49:55 | MrStaticVoid | heh |
| 15:50:00 | preglow | Moos: can't run on the bootloader alone, you know :) |
| 15:50:20 | Moos | I've got the bleeding edge build here |
| 15:50:25 | Moos | but refuse to boot |
| 15:50:34 | preglow | anyone know if voice ui works in the ipod sim? |
| 15:50:44 | preglow | i can't test due to crashing libmad |
| 15:50:51 | davinci | what are the requirements for a plugin to be added into CVS? |
| 15:51:15 | preglow | davinci: code following our standards, compiling for as many targets as possible, does something usable |
| 15:51:20 | Moos | LinusN: the last line is like MrStaticVoid said result -5 |
| 15:51:23 | davinci | (is there a wiki page I cannot find?) |
| 15:51:49 | MrStaticVoid | hooray im not the only one |
| 15:51:50 | Moos | LinusN: maybe something due cause different HD? |
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| 15:52:09 | Moos | MrStaticVoid: what kind of X5 have you? |
| 15:52:15 | MrStaticVoid | x5l 30gb |
| 15:52:34 | Moos | ok, X5 60 gb here |
| 15:52:44 | Moos | then isn't HD |
| 15:53:08 | LinusN | it looks like the cvs builds haven't recompiled tools/scramble |
| 15:53:23 | Moos | OH |
| 15:53:40 | LinusN | MrStaticVoid: it might be the same for you |
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| 15:53:45 | davinci | preglow: is there a wiki page wjich discribes code standards? |
| 15:53:49 | MrStaticVoid | ill remake everything |
| 15:53:49 | IcyStorM | Hey |
| 15:53:55 | LinusN | ho |
| 15:53:57 | linuxstb | davinci: These are the only documented requirements AFAIK: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html |
| 15:54:32 | IcyStorM | Right now then I try to update my iPod with my last movies iTunes says "Unable to recognize iPod" please use ipod updater to restore it |
| 15:54:36 | LinusN | aaaaaaah, i'm an idiot |
| 15:54:50 | davinci | linuxstb: thank you |
| 15:54:51 | Moos | uh? really :-) |
| 15:55:10 | linuxstb | davinci: Have you written a plugin you want to get committed? |
| 15:55:21 | IcyStorM | What I wanna do is delete a few playlists (not any videos or music) And also is there any other app (free and windows) then iTunes to get videos on the ipod. |
| 15:56:07 | Moos | LinusN: spoted the problem? |
| 15:56:28 | LinusN | Moos, MrStaticVoid: the next cvs build should be ok, i just committed a fox in the configure script |
| 15:56:34 | LinusN | fix |
| 15:56:43 | Moos | Ok |
| 15:56:53 | linuxstb | I don't think Badger will like that fox... |
| 15:57:08 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 15:57:22 | davinci | linuxstb: I only thought to make one, I didn't read enough about patching ans structure of code, so I'll wait. I just wanted to look why patches like scroll margins, cover art and list_titles.patch are not added yet. |
| 15:57:54 | preglow | what's scroll margins do? |
| 15:57:58 | LinusN | scroll margins: not the correct approach |
| 15:58:11 | linuxstb | davinci: scroll margins is only a partial fix to the problem (viewports will be the correct one). Cover art is currently too wasteful with memory. |
| 15:58:16 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 15:58:19 | LinusN | cover art: doesn't store the image data in the correct place |
| 15:58:31 | LinusN | list_titles: what is that? |
| 15:59:07 | Bg3r | LinusN is there a way to get the FAT's cluster size ? |
| 15:59:18 | LinusN | disk info |
| 15:59:28 | LinusN | in the debug menu |
| 15:59:47 | davinci | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2994 |
| 15:59:59 | Bg3r | LinusN 10x |
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| 16:01:39 | davinci | linuxstb: and what about "Display current directory"-patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4796 )? It works at least on H100 and H300 |
| 16:01:42 | bobTHC | btw, coverart patch automaticly convert jpg to well sized bmp ?? |
| 16:01:49 | preglow | linuxstb, amiconn: the bug seems to be in codec swap |
| 16:01:55 | LinusN | davinci: that depends on the scroll margins patch |
| 16:02:09 | bobTHC | or i need to do the conversion and resize myself ? |
| 16:03:45 | amiconn | LinusN: Mentioning viewports, I wonder whether we should be able to deal with viewports being partially outside the lcd area |
| 16:03:46 | tucoz | Bg3r, I haven't got around to do that yet (i.e. edit the wiki). I'll do that now |
| 16:04:13 | davinci | bobTHC: you have to convert they yourself, size depends on WPS you are using |
| 16:04:23 | davinci | "them" |
| 16:04:55 | linuxstb | preglow: The first codec swap fails? |
| 16:04:58 | LinusN | amiconn: shouldn't be a problem |
| 16:05:14 | preglow | i think i've found the bug now........ |
| 16:05:24 | amiconn | LinusN: If we want to be able to do that, clipping gets slightly more complex |
| 16:05:31 | preglow | #define CODEC_IRAM_ORIGIN 0x1000c000 |
| 16:05:45 | amiconn | Ugh, where is that? |
| 16:05:48 | preglow | playback.c |
| 16:05:53 | preglow | no ifdef jail or anything |
| 16:05:54 | amiconn | That's certainly wrong on iPod... |
| 16:05:57 | preglow | indeed |
| 16:06:04 | * | preglow kicks slasheri |
| 16:06:09 | preglow | ;( |
| 16:06:13 | preglow | ;) <- |
| 16:06:14 | LinusN | amiconn: really? set_viewport() should adjust the arguments |
| 16:06:21 | preglow | what the hell, my keyboard map just changed |
| 16:06:23 | bobTHC | auto generating well sized thumb will be the kickass plus for the cover art feature |
| 16:06:59 | preglow | i really don't these constants should be duplicated in the source files |
| 16:07:01 | preglow | aren't they set some place+ |
| 16:07:10 | preglow | apart from the lds files, that is |
| 16:07:12 | preglow | i want them in a header |
| 16:07:17 | LinusN | config-xxx.h |
| 16:07:37 | linuxstb | Can someone remind me why the same scrolling code is duplicated in all the LCD drivers? |
| 16:07:55 | LinusN | historical reasons mostly |
| 16:08:08 | LinusN | plus they are not 100% identical |
| 16:09:38 | preglow | we have voice ui! |
| 16:09:44 | davinci | linuxstb: what is/are viewports? |
| 16:09:50 | XavierGr | on iPod? |
| 16:09:51 | preglow | all those bloody hours of debugging and it was a one-liner |
| 16:10:06 | preglow | XavierGr: yes |
| 16:10:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Congratulations. |
| 16:10:24 | XavierGr | yeah good work |
| 16:10:52 | XavierGr | are there any bugs in the VUI now? |
| 16:10:53 | linuxstb | davinci: The idea is that you define a rectangle in the screen (the viewport), and all drawing happens within that viewport. |
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| 16:11:20 | preglow | LinusN: i can't find any defined for this particular thing, though |
| 16:11:35 | LinusN | no, you'll have to add them |
| 16:11:43 | LinusN | or rather, move them |
| 16:11:56 | preglow | yeah, i see |
| 16:12:26 | davinci | linuxstb: ok, so it's just like box model of browsers. Is it only an idea at the moment? |
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| 16:13:54 | preglow | LinusN: so i'll move DRAMORIG, IRAMORIG and IRAMSIZE to config-xxxx.h, yes? nothing else? shall i leave stuboffset define in the lds file? |
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| 16:14:13 | LinusN | move stuboffset as well |
| 16:14:39 | preglow | sweet lord |
| 16:14:47 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:14:57 | preglow | twenty files to fix :////// |
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| 16:15:22 | LinusN | ejjoy |
| 16:15:24 | LinusN | enjoy |
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| 16:16:31 | LinusN | Moos: any luck? |
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| 16:16:52 | webguest50 | ah.. there is a x5 bootloader - lets give it a try |
| 16:17:32 | preglow | amiconn: did you try the stereo width yet? i'm curious if it sounds the same |
| 16:17:37 | davinci | are black forderground and black backgound colors standrds of rockbox or is it caused by patches/WPS? |
| 16:17:42 | Moos | LinusN: I'am dowloading last bleedin adge |
| 16:18:00 | linuxstb | LinusN: Would there be any objections to unifying the scrolling code in one place? I've just checked, and there are virtually no differences between lcd-recorder, lcd-h100, lcd-16bit and lcd-2bit-horiz (one or two tiny #ifdefs will cover them). |
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| 16:18:10 | LinusN | davinci: caused by patches/cvs |
| 16:18:13 | LinusN | davinci: caused by patches/wps |
| 16:18:27 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds sweet |
| 16:18:31 | LinusN | linuxstb: there is a patch |
| 16:18:42 | webguest50 | LinusN: rockbox boots on x5 :) great |
| 16:18:48 | linuxstb | This is comparing everything from lcd_putsxyofs() onwards in the LCD drivers. |
| 16:18:49 | LinusN | wee |
| 16:18:51 | davinci | LinusN: do you know by which one? |
| 16:19:12 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes, I've seen that patch, but no-one responded to it. |
| 16:19:26 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4817 |
| 16:19:34 | LinusN | gotta go now |
| 16:19:41 | linuxstb | I'm simply asking if everyone is OK with the principle. |
| 16:19:49 | Moos | LinusN: I let you know |
| 16:19:57 | Moos | will |
| 16:20:16 | Moos | if you can wait few seconds :) |
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| 16:20:29 | Moos | hehe nope |
| 16:20:31 | bobTHC | he cant |
| 16:20:37 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:20:41 | Moos | I saw :) |
| 16:21:09 | webguest50 | Sound doesnt seems to work on iaudio x5 |
| 16:21:18 | Moos | nope it doesnt yet |
| 16:21:28 | Moos | step by step ;) |
| 16:21:39 | webguest50 | cool |
| 16:22:53 | bobTHC | not be very long, X5 use coldfire iirc |
| 16:23:08 | Moos | LinusN: you are one God, that works now |
| 16:23:08 | webguest50 | i know... |
| 16:23:19 | Moos | goto go too c you all later |
| 16:23:38 | davinci | good bye |
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| 16:23:43 | bobTHC | goto gotoo |
| 16:23:50 | bobTHC | looks like basic ;) |
| 16:24:16 | Febs | Nah, he forgot the line number. |
| 16:24:32 | Febs | 10 Goto 20. Lol. |
| 16:24:36 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 16:24:42 | tucoz | Hi Febs |
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| 16:25:14 | Febs | Hi, tucoz. I've been having a hell of a time getting cygwin going on my laptop. Works great on my PC at home ... but I'm almost never home. |
| 16:25:40 | Febs | As soon as I get it running on the laptop, I'll be able to get more work done on the manual. |
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| 16:26:29 | tucoz | I see. Did you find anything out, in terms of installing LaTeX on Cygwin that we could add to the wiki? |
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| 16:26:38 | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH | is it fuckin america? |
| 16:26:40 | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH | =) |
| 16:26:49 | preglow | perhaps |
| 16:26:57 | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH | what? |
| 16:27:02 | preglow | linuxstb: doing a test build with no iram now |
| 16:27:15 | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH | where are u from man& |
| 16:27:17 | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH | ?? |
| 16:27:42 | Febs | All of the installation instructions were great ... on my home PC. My laptop doesn't correctly set my home directory. I think that it is because on my work network, my "home" directory is mapped to a network drive (i:). |
| 16:27:48 | tucoz | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH, this is a development channel for Rockbox. www.rockbox.org |
| 16:27:57 | preglow | tucoz: he knows that, he's a troll |
| 16:28:04 | tucoz | oh, I see |
| 16:28:14 | ANTOSHKA-POMPUSH | in what country u live mother fuckers?)) |
| 16:28:26 | markun | great, here we go again.. |
| 16:28:28 | tucoz | Febs, ok. |
| 16:28:47 | Febs | if anyone could give some pointers about how to get cygwin to override Windows home directory settings, that would be great. |
| 16:29:11 | preglow | linuxstb: and iram does indeed have a sizable impact |
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| 16:29:31 | preglow | linuxstb: not enough that flac doesn't still run at 30mhz, though, but it struggles badly if you read from the disk at the same time |
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| 16:30:07 | linuxstb | preglow: OK. I was just going by my attempts at pacbox optimisation. |
| 16:30:12 | dpro | target for ipod is arm-elf right ? |
| 16:30:16 | preglow | dpro: correct |
| 16:30:17 | webguest50 | where can i find the x5 audio driver stuff to start hacking? |
| 16:30:22 | tucoz | Unfortunatley, I know nothing about cygwin. Btw, if you miss some macro, please add that to the platform files, or ask me to add them so that I can commit them. |
| 16:30:34 | Febs | I will. |
| 16:30:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'd like to postpone that until after implementing viewports |
| 16:31:00 | amiconn | There will be *some* differences in the scrolling code depending on lcd capabilities |
| 16:31:08 | tucoz | bbl |
| 16:31:10 | preglow | tucoz: if you've got any contributors that would benefit from cvs access, i take it you'll tell the people in charge |
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| 16:32:07 | Febs | Grrrrr. Why doesn't cygwin set my ~ directory correctly?! |
| 16:32:10 | tucoz | preglow, well, I haven't yet. I will |
| 16:32:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: Wouldn't it be better to start from a unified code, and then abstract out any differences? At the moment, the only difference I've seen relates to invert mode, and that may even be buggy. |
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| 16:34:52 | XavierGr | Linux is hell.... I downloaded fluxbox. It said that it needs xserver. Then I donwloaded Xserver. It said it needs x-window-system........ |
| 16:34:56 | preglow | linuxstb: the difference is not big, though..... |
| 16:35:18 | dpro | ok building binutils and gcc ... on my old powerbook that basically means I can go on a skiing holiday now ;) |
| 16:36:19 | bobTHC | febs > have u set The CYGWIN environment variable |
| 16:36:20 | bobTHC | ? |
| 16:36:25 | dpro | hrmmm .. but while I'm at it I'll probably make a deb for linux/ppc probably someone else will need it at some point ... |
| 16:37:01 | Febs | bobTHC, no, I was just doing some reading into that. Could you explain how I set it? |
| 16:37:03 | bluebrother^ | XavierGr: you downloaded? Can't you just use apt-get? |
| 16:37:37 | XavierGr | apt-get install |
| 16:37:41 | tucoz | XavierGr, have you tried Ubuntu? That is what I use, and it really works out of the box |
| 16:37:44 | XavierGr | but... |
| 16:38:02 | dpro | Febs: ist that bash ? then export CYGWIN=/path/to/it # should do |
| 16:38:09 | XavierGr | tucoz indeed maybe I will have to do this. But then I will have to build the crosscomplier myself |
| 16:38:18 | preglow | linuxstb: as a matter of fact, the difference in performance is almost negligable |
| 16:38:28 | tucoz | XavierGr, which is very easy btw. |
| 16:38:30 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Building the cross-compiler is trivial compared to setting up X windows. |
| 16:38:37 | preglow | how can that be... |
| 16:38:47 | linuxstb | preglow: That's what I've been pondering... |
| 16:39:00 | bluebrother^ | maybe gentoo would also be a nice idea ... |
| 16:39:01 | dpro | linuxstb: what's so diffilcult about apt-get install xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:39:15 | linuxstb | dpro: Nothing - if your video card and monitor are supported... |
| 16:39:16 | bluebrother^ | I just haven't found the time to try it in any way. |
| 16:39:42 | dpro | linuxstb: but that got a lot better compared to say 1995 ... |
| 16:40:46 | XavierGr | thing is that some packages are huge |
| 16:41:22 | preglow | linuxstb: looks like our disk reading is really slow, btw |
| 16:42:17 | bluebrother^ | do I need a specific version of vmware to use the images in the player? |
| 16:42:35 | linuxstb | preglow: Doesn't surprise me. Do you know anything about the DMA possibilities? |
| 16:42:52 | preglow | nothing at all |
| 16:43:00 | preglow | all i know is the ipodlinux people says it's cruddy |
| 16:44:07 | bluebrother^ | (I mean for building images for use with the player) |
| 16:44:53 | preglow | crummy being the word i meant to use |
| 16:45:03 | preglow | damn, i need to toss in the logs by the minute to heat this place |
| 16:45:35 | XavierGr | putty made my day easy, but then other stuff appeared. It needs 20 seconds to set a conncetion and I have to login every time I logon. |
| 16:46:44 | XavierGr | haha weird ending |
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| 16:52:48 | muesli__ | iAudio X5 bootloader hum, was rockbox booting so far? |
| 16:53:05 | bluey | can anyone apply the albumart patch to the current cvs? |
| 16:53:32 | bluey | ehh not apply, mean compile :) |
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| 16:54:19 | XavierGr | hmm I started Xserver! Now I see a big X in my screen which I can move with my mouse. What am I supposed to do now? |
| 16:55:01 | linuxstb | Now you need a window manager. |
| 16:55:14 | XavierGr | yes but I can't type anything |
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| 16:55:39 | linuxstb | CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will kill the X server. |
| 16:55:45 | XavierGr | nice |
| 16:56:00 | linuxstb | Or CTRL+ALT+F1 to switch back to the console. |
| 16:56:14 | Aditya | it will also kill any processes that are using the window manager |
| 16:56:15 | XavierGr | yippie |
| 16:56:18 | Aditya | just fyi |
| 16:56:19 | XavierGr | I got a GUI running! |
| 16:56:29 | dpro | anyone has an ipod dual-booting rb and ipodlinux ? is that possible (I mean easily) ? |
| 16:56:45 | linuxstb | dpro: Yes, it's easy if you're using Linux on your PC. |
| 16:57:08 | linuxstb | You need to create a small (e.g. 64MB) ext2 partition. |
| 16:58:38 | dpro | can I use the same toolchain I'm currently compiling for rb to build ipodlinux cvs (nano doesn't really seem to be supported out of box yet) ? |
| 16:59:15 | bluey | which toolchain do you build |
| 16:59:20 | linuxstb | No - you need gcc 2.95 to compile the kernel, and gcc 3.x compiled for arm-uclinux-elf for the applications. |
| 16:59:31 | dpro | arm-elf-gcc |
| 16:59:46 | linuxstb | There are nightly builds available though for both the kernel and podzilla2 |
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| 16:59:48 | dpro | linuxstb: aaargl ... I'll postpone that one then ;) |
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| 17:00:05 | dpro | linuxstb: ah ok |
| 17:00:06 | webguest50 | can anybody explain each value? {"dB", 0, 1,-100, 12, -25, sound_set_volume} |
| 17:00:07 | bluey | mhhh arm-elf-gcc? i think you can't compile ipl apps with arm-elf-gcc |
| 17:00:11 | linuxstb | dpro: Which ipod do you have? |
| 17:00:24 | dpro | linuxstb: nano 2gig (my flatmates) |
| 17:01:52 | dpro | linuxstb: so I create a small ext2 partition, put the ipodlinux kernel and podzilla stuff there and the rb bootloader will find it ? |
| 17:02:04 | linuxstb | dpro: Follow the instructions here: http://ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Linux |
| 17:02:09 | Nico | guys... i've got a problem with my album art patch : |
| 17:02:20 | Nico | the nex version works fine on sim but crashes on targer |
| 17:02:31 | Nico | nex -> new |
| 17:02:42 | linuxstb | But don't install their bootloader. Get an ipodlinux kernel, rename it "linux.bin" and just put it on your FAT32 partition (in the root). Hold play whilst booting, and the Rockbox bootloader will load it. |
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| 17:04:11 | dpro | linuxstb: thx will give it a shot later |
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| 17:11:50 | preglow | amiconn: i don't get the ci->configure errors |
| 17:12:27 | preglow | btw, why the bloody hell does configure() take i pointer? |
| 17:12:32 | preglow | s/i/a/ |
| 17:13:22 | preglow | that is, i get the errors, but not how to fix them with ugly casting or unnecessarily big variables |
| 17:13:47 | preglow | s/with/without/.... |
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| 17:22:16 | Mikachu | preglow: i had an idea about stopping accidental volume change on the ipod wheel |
| 17:23:08 | Mikachu | preglow: if no button was pressed in the last x seconds, volume changes are disabled, so you press select first to change volume. That would mean the first select press is swallowed though |
| 17:23:31 | Mikachu | preglow: another idea is having to do a half lap or so before volume starts changing |
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| 17:28:51 | preglow | Mikachu: i would like something like that, at least |
| 17:29:01 | preglow | i don't want the click wheel to be sensitive by default |
| 17:29:08 | preglow | unless you left the unit in a menu or something |
| 17:29:23 | preglow | it just annoys the hell out of me when all i want to do is pause it, but end up raising the volume by 12 db |
| 17:29:28 | Mikachu | preglow: i also had some thoughts about using lolo's touch events to only change volume when you start at a certain place on the wheel |
| 17:29:31 | preglow | in this is in a spacious jacket pocket |
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| 17:32:12 | dpro | mikachu: can you help me enabling pitch change for ipod ? |
| 17:32:22 | Mikachu | ah yes |
| 17:34:14 | Mikachu | this is not separated out and such, but it should be good enough for now |
| 17:34:16 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox_ipod-pitch-menu.patch |
| 17:34:33 | Mikachu | it will add a new submenu to the main menu that lets you go to the pitch screen or shut down |
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| 17:34:47 | Mikachu | not very logical, but i'm lazy :) |
| 17:35:09 | Mikachu | the do_apple thing won't work unless you patch the bootloader too so you can kill that part |
| 17:35:57 | dpro | Mikachu: I'd suggest for the dj mode to keep volume full all the time and make the wheel pitch up/down for now |
| 17:36:13 | Mikachu | i'm not the one to suggest to though |
| 17:38:00 | dpro | mikachu: I'll try to find my way around the source and see what I can come up with ... |
| 17:38:22 | Mikachu | this will at least let you go to the pitch screen |
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| 17:45:57 | * | dpro is repartitioning again ... dualboot rb/linux |
| 17:48:58 | Mikachu | dpro: put the linux partition at the end, not in the space between sda1 and sda2 |
| 17:49:12 | Mikachu | depending on which instructions you follow, they may or may not tell you to do that |
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| 17:52:55 | dpro | yuo |
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| 17:53:09 | dpro | s/yuo/yup/ |
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| 17:55:55 | dpro | Mikachu: 100megs is way enough right ? |
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| 17:57:57 | linuxstb | dpro: Yes, that's fine. |
| 17:58:34 | Mikachu | i think mine is about 80, it's still in the space between |
| 17:59:10 | dpro | Miakchu: I made it ~70 now |
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| 18:00:17 | * | Mikachu hands dpro a tab key |
| 18:00:30 | dpro | hehe |
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| 18:07:28 | godzirra | Heya folks.. quick question.. on the newest ipod 5th gen rockbox, how do i turn it off :) |
| 18:07:46 | Cassandra | Hold down play for 4 seconds. |
| 18:07:51 | dpro | Mikachu: so I put the kernel in sda2 (fat32), what needs to go in the ext2 partition then ? |
| 18:08:20 | godzirra | Thanks :) |
| 18:09:54 | linuxstb | dpro: The "userland files" from ipodlinux. |
| 18:10:08 | linuxstb | They come in a .tgz file you need to untar onto the ext2 partition. |
| 18:10:34 | linuxstb | And then you will need to install a recent version of either podzilla or podzilla2 - the main IPL application. |
| 18:10:35 | dpro | that one right ? ipod_fs_240206.tar.gz |
| 18:10:40 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 18:11:06 | tucoz | linuxstb, do you have a different term for curriculum? That is, what you're supposed to read for a course at the uni? |
| 18:11:10 | dpro | and that's it ? |
| 18:11:40 | linuxstb | tucoz: No - curriculum is used. |
| 18:11:40 | dpro | that's way easier than accepting all the license agreements with itunes ;) |
| 18:11:45 | tucoz | linuxstb, thanks |
| 18:12:26 | dpro | damn gcc build error ... |
| 18:12:57 | linuxstb | What's the error? |
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| 18:14:28 | webguest80 | Howdy |
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| 18:17:24 | dpro | linuxstb: http://powerlesspointless.com/gcc.txt |
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| 18:18:37 | linuxstb | dpro: Have you installed the ARM binutils, and are they in the PATH? |
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| 18:19:00 | dpro | aargl .. make install ... |
| 18:19:22 | dpro | another chair keyboard problem ... but I have an excuse ... I'm terribly hung over ;) |
| 18:19:26 | dpro | thx though |
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| 18:22:08 | dpro | ahhh ... much better |
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| 18:25:27 | dpro | there we go ... now compiling rb with mikachu's patch |
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| 18:26:50 | BoD[] | Hello! |
| 18:27:05 | BoD[] | Hey is there a quick-menu key for the ipod ? |
| 18:29:50 | BoD[] | go2go |
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| 18:32:17 | Kyomi | Anyone have any options other trillian and also where you dont have to install anything extra to get it to work |
| 18:32:32 | austriancoder | i get many undefined reference to `__divsi3' with m68k .. what could be wrong |
| 18:32:33 | Kyomi | For a msging thing that has all the main networks |
| 18:36:19 | linuxstb | austriancoder: What are you trying to do? Just compile CVS Rockbox? |
| 18:37:08 | austriancoder | linuxstb: yep |
| 18:37:32 | linuxstb | Which versions of gcc/binutils are you using? |
| 18:37:51 | linuxstb | And what platform are you building on? |
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| 18:39:16 | safetydan | Kyomi, try gaim |
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| 18:39:53 | Mikachu | Kyomi: or xchat |
| 18:40:02 | austriancoder | gcc 3.4.5, binutils 2.16.1 - gentoo linux |
| 18:40:07 | Kyomi | arhg |
| 18:40:15 | preglow | austriancoder: perhaps you didn't build libgcc |
| 18:40:17 | Kyomi | what is it with people not listening.... |
| 18:40:31 | Kyomi | I asked so that i dont have to install anything extra |
| 18:40:38 | bluey | austriancoder: do you want to build a toolchain for rockbox? |
| 18:40:40 | Kyomi | gaim requires that gtk+ thing |
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| 18:40:55 | safetydan | Kyomi, so...? |
| 18:41:09 | Kyomi | I dont want to install anything extra |
| 18:41:09 | safetydan | once it's in, it's probably the best cross-platform client |
| 18:41:20 | Kyomi | something like aim.. |
| 18:41:26 | safetydan | You're installing an extra app anyway. One more library won't hurt. |
| 18:41:30 | Kyomi | It just installs its stuff and there you are going |
| 18:41:37 | tucoz | Who is in charge of Xobox? |
| 18:41:41 | Kyomi | But with gaim you install the program |
| 18:41:42 | austriancoder | bluey: i tought i have done it with gentoos' crossdev |
| 18:41:43 | safetydan | you can't click two install execitables? |
| 18:41:45 | Kyomi | Then install something else |
| 18:41:48 | Mikachu | tucoz: Paprica |
| 18:41:52 | tucoz | Mikachu, thanks |
| 18:41:53 | safetydan | executables even |
| 18:41:54 | Kyomi | I'd rather not :P |
| 18:41:56 | safetydan | slacker |
| 18:41:58 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Where's the rockbox VMware development image live? |
| 18:42:01 | Kyomi | Because I dunno if it'll work |
| 18:42:08 | tucoz | Paprica, are you here? |
| 18:42:12 | Paprica | yep |
| 18:42:12 | bluey | mhhh copy the command you used in crossdev |
| 18:42:17 | safetydan | Kyomi, it does work, I use it on the rare moments I'm in Windows |
| 18:42:27 | amiconn | preglow: Is it correct that there are only 3 warnings left for amd64 sims? |
| 18:42:28 | Kyomi | I meant that because this isn't my pc :P |
| 18:42:37 | Kyomi | Its an account on a friends pc |
| 18:42:41 | safetydan | ah, now we get to the crux of the issue |
| 18:42:43 | tucoz | Paprica, I made some minor changes to Xobox to make it playable on grayscale targets |
| 18:42:47 | safetydan | no idea then :) |
| 18:42:49 | Kyomi | And I dont think it lets me install stuff like that |
| 18:43:05 | linuxstb | austriancoder: So you didn't compile them yourself using ./configure; make; make install ? |
| 18:43:25 | Paprica | ok.. |
| 18:43:29 | tucoz | Paprica, http://pastebin.com/616434 |
| 18:43:53 | Paprica | why dont you commit it? |
| 18:44:05 | austriancoder | linuxstb: correct... i have use gentoo's crossdev vor avr and there it works.. |
| 18:44:21 | tucoz | I just wanted to see if you had anything you wanted to say about it :) |
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| 18:45:08 | linuxstb | austriancoder: As preglow said, the problem seems to be with libgcc. Almost all the people who have toolchain problems are people who haven't compiled them themselves... |
| 18:45:11 | Paprica | just commit it if you think that is good change.. from me, no problem |
| 18:45:21 | tucoz | Paprica, ok. I'll do it |
| 18:45:29 | austriancoder | linuxstb: ok.. so i will do it by hand |
| 18:45:33 | austriancoder | thanks for help |
| 18:45:36 | bluey | mhh i haven't runned into problems |
| 18:45:41 | bluey | using gentoo's crossdev script |
| 18:45:51 | Paprica | happy commit ;] |
| 18:45:56 | tucoz | thanks |
| 18:46:01 | Kyomi | Why do all of these alternate OS' have to have stupid names? |
| 18:46:08 | austriancoder | bluey: i have done a 'crossdev m68k' |
| 18:46:14 | Kyomi | I mean I might go to one of them if the name wasn't retarded |
| 18:46:21 | Kyomi | gentoo.. ubuntu... |
| 18:46:28 | Kyomi | The names just annoy me |
| 18:46:29 | Kyomi | >_< |
| 18:46:33 | bluey | well i used a diffrent target |
| 18:47:12 | safetydan | hrm... I must have been sleep deprived or on crack when I said my cordic routine was nearly there |
| 18:47:14 | * | safetydan hacks some more |
| 18:47:20 | Cassandra | Rockuntu? Genbox? |
| 18:48:20 | bluey | Gendows or Ubutosh sounds better or? |
| 18:48:31 | Kyomi | No |
| 18:48:35 | Kyomi | None of them sound good |
| 18:48:42 | amiconn | austriancoder: crossdev is known to cause problems (but not why) |
| 18:48:45 | Cassandra | So no-one knows where Andreas put the VMware image then? |
| 18:48:54 | austriancoder | amiconn: thanks for this info |
| 18:48:55 | amiconn | Build the compiler yourself, as per wiki instructions |
| 18:48:56 | Mikachu | Cassandra: i'll see if i can find it in my log |
| 18:49:19 | * | amiconn summons preglow |
| 18:49:22 | Mikachu | Cassandra: possibly http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/vmware |
| 18:49:28 | Cassandra | bluey: You're obviously not aware of the rule that says everything has to start with Rock or end with box, are you? |
| 18:49:58 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 18:50:00 | bluey | nah not really |
| 18:50:01 | Cassandra | amiconn: You know you could lose your soul doing that, right? |
| 18:50:05 | Kyomi | Apparently this guy uses gaim too |
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| 18:50:21 | | Nick postglow is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD58C6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:50:29 | Cassandra | (: |
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| 18:55:53 | preglow | amiconn: what? |
| 18:56:09 | preglow | amiconn: only warnings left for me are the codec plugin ones |
| 18:56:19 | amiconn | Yes, 3 in total |
| 18:56:28 | amiconn | That's what I wanted to verify |
| 18:57:05 | amiconn | I wonder why only 3 of them produce a warning, and the others don't |
| 18:57:37 | amiconn | mpa, mpc and shorten |
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| 18:59:02 | linuxstb | Is the problem with the void* parameter to ci->configure? |
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| 19:00:25 | | Join Febs [0] (n=40be24d8@labb.contactor.se) |
| 19:02:57 | Febs | tucoz, I got my cygwin problems sorted out, so I just uploaded my first (small) patch to the patchtracker. |
| 19:03:08 | tucoz | Febs, yiehaa :) |
| 19:03:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. |
| 19:03:47 | preglow | amiconn: it's a problem where you're passing a 32 bit variable as a 64 bit pointer |
| 19:03:49 | tucoz | Febs, I'll look at in in a few minutes |
| 19:03:56 | amiconn | Casting an int into a pointer (of any type) causes a warning |
| 19:03:59 | preglow | amiconn: btw, could you test stereo width? |
| 19:04:04 | amiconn | Not yet |
| 19:04:06 | preglow | amiconn: i want to know if it sounds like it should |
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| 19:04:24 | amiconn | In mpa.c, we could just make current_frequency a long |
| 19:04:36 | amiconn | The other ones could be handled by a double cast |
| 19:04:59 | amiconn | A bit ungly, but we know what we're doing there |
| 19:05:03 | amiconn | *ugly |
| 19:07:10 | dpro | hmmm hoe to reset if ipodlinux reallyreally hangs ? |
| 19:07:16 | dpro | s/hoe/how/ |
| 19:07:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does anyone know where I can easily look up what the Rockbox Error: -# codes mean on booting, or tell me what -5 is? |
| 19:07:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: Menu + Select for many seconds |
| 19:07:51 | dpro | üaul: + hold on off |
| 19:08:02 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Just look in bootloader/ipod.c - the load_rockbox() function. |
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| 19:08:26 | linuxstb | There is no reason why we couldn't change that to display more helpful messages. |
| 19:08:42 | tucoz | Febs, isn't crossfeed available on all SWCODEC platforms? |
| 19:08:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Actually, this is for X5, but that's enough info either way. :) |
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| 19:09:58 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: It's "load_firmware()", not load_rockbox(). -5 means the checksums don't match. |
| 19:10:23 | linuxstb | i.e. the checksum stored in the header in rockbox.iaudio is not the same as the checksum calculated by the bootloader. |
| 19:10:28 | Febs | Yes. Actually, I wrote that section before you did the SWCODEC macro, and forgot to update it. |
| 19:10:38 | tucoz | ok, nevermind. I'll change it |
| 19:10:46 | Febs | Thanks. |
| 19:11:02 | Febs | This was sort of a test run for me to make sure that I had some clue as to what I was doing. |
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| 19:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Thanks. |
| 19:11:41 | tucoz | Febs, that is cool. I got an error when applying the patch though. "patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line" |
| 19:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I'm guessing maybe the daily build, since it's pre-bootloader, doesn't match. |
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| 19:12:02 | tucoz | "Hunk #2 succeeded at 228 with fuzz 2 (offset 127 lines)." |
| 19:12:07 | tucoz | wonder what that means |
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| 19:16:16 | sneakums | tucoz: it means the source from which the patch was generated was different to the source to which you applied the patch |
| 19:16:40 | tucoz | I see. |
| 19:16:55 | tucoz | thanks |
| 19:16:55 | safetydan | but the patch worked anyway |
| 19:17:00 | tucoz | ok, good |
| 19:17:37 | sneakums | it's possible for patch to get confused and apply changes that have already been made, but generally it means it applied ok |
| 19:18:06 | tucoz | I commited a tiny little change to that file earlier today. It was probably that |
| 19:18:17 | Febs | Cool. I'm going back to doing PaidWork (tm 2005 by LinusN). But I'll work on some other aspects of the manual soon. |
| 19:18:27 | tucoz | Febs, great. |
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| 19:21:55 | sneakums | is there any particular reason why adding files to a playlist reads the disk rather than the dircache? |
| 19:22:40 | sneakums | i tried adding all of my music in shuffled mode but i got bored after 2700 files or so |
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| 19:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | sneakums: Did you use click->insert, or did you browse to the root of your music (in my case, the music folder) and go into the normal menus and choose to create a playlist that way? |
| 19:27:01 | sneakums | click insert, i believe |
| 19:27:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | sneakums: If you're in a folder, and choose that option in the playlist menu, it'll create a playlist containing all music in that folder (and recursively all folders underneath if you have that enabled) and do it much more quickly than click-insert. |
| 19:27:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then it'll save it as foldername.m3u in the root |
| 19:28:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or rather, one level up. Not entirely sure about that last bit |
| 19:28:14 | tucoz | Febs, if you use the opts and macros, please make sure that you use them with the correct case. I got compile errors when \Dap was used. So I had to change that to \dap |
| 19:28:42 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: why is it faster? |
| 19:28:46 | sneakums | nice, that was pretty zippy |
| 19:28:58 | sneakums | it onlypicked up 6300 files though, is there some limit i can increase? |
| 19:29:31 | sneakums | oh wait, i forget i had fewer files on there than i do there |
| 19:29:35 | sneakums | that's probably all of them |
| 19:29:57 | Febs | tucoz, OK. Do we have a list of opts and macros anywhere to use as a reference? |
| 19:29:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Dunno? Maybe it uses the dircache? |
| 19:30:16 | sneakums | i need to get myself a 60G ipod already |
| 19:30:17 | tucoz | Febs, look in the platform files under the platform directory |
| 19:30:19 | hardeep | click->insert sorts before inserting |
| 19:30:25 | Mikachu | oh |
| 19:30:26 | hardeep | create playlist doesn't |
| 19:30:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: It's easily an order of magnitude faster, at least |
| 19:30:33 | Mikachu | that is sort of implicit |
| 19:30:57 | tucoz | Febs, and if you want to use the button macros, look in the bubbles.tex plugin file. |
| 19:31:28 | tucoz | for an example |
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| 19:33:47 | tucoz | Febs, commited :) |
| 19:35:43 | preglow | excellent |
| 19:36:13 | tucoz | got to go. See you around |
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| 19:39:54 | bluey^todo | ehh anyone can compile rockbox for 5g with the current albumart patch? |
| 19:40:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, anyone can. |
| 19:40:31 | preglow | including you! |
| 19:41:50 | Paprica | new version of rockcalendar |
| 19:41:50 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 |
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| 19:42:26 | bluey^todo | yeah i believe in myself :) |
| 19:46:09 | Paprica | amiconn? |
| 19:47:06 | dpro | anyone here has a ipodlinux kernel lying around that won't freeze a nano as soon as audio is turned on ? (apart from that it seems to work fine) |
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| 19:49:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has never used audio in ipodlinux |
| 19:50:05 | dpro | paul: well doesn't seem to work anyway .... will try a slightly older kernel and see |
| 19:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, I booted Linux just to make sure I knew the full process for installing it alongside rockbox, then I removed it because I didn't have any use for it. |
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| 19:51:42 | dpro | paul: I just find having a dual booting nano a rather sexy thing ;) |
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| 19:52:56 | webguest57 | will Rockbox be able to support different size fonts in different screens, ie, a big font for the wps and a small font for browsing ? |
| 19:56:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: I have at the moment 4mb of free space, without linux. |
| 19:56:37 | safetydan | webguest57, one day probably |
| 19:57:15 | preglow | i think that'd make a lovely 3.1 feature :-) |
| 19:57:16 | webguest57 | ah great, look forward to it |
| 19:57:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest57: There's a patch for that on the tracker, actually |
| 19:57:28 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: there is??? does it work? |
| 19:57:28 | webguest57 | there is ? |
| 19:57:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4733 |
| 19:57:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't tried it, but I've heard good things |
| 19:58:11 | webguest57 | hmm, sounds promosing |
| 19:58:19 | safetydan | hasn't been updated in a while though |
| 19:58:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 19:59:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't tried it, so I can't attest to its function, I just remembered it being discussed on the forums |
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| 20:00:36 | webguest57 | thanks |
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| 20:22:28 | * | Kyomi is VERY confused at the chat windows |
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| 20:25:18 | safetydan | atan() can only return a value between pi/2 and -pi/2 right? |
| 20:25:29 | preglow | myeah |
| 20:26:00 | preglow | the 0.32 format stuff is really going to make life a nightmare for you there |
| 20:26:30 | safetydan | none of the atan values are negative so... I hope not |
| 20:27:03 | safetydan | If my thinking is correct, I can just change the quadrant that the cordic rotation occurs in so that all angles are positive |
| 20:27:08 | safetydan | relative to the unit circle that is |
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| 20:27:45 | * | safetydan is unsure if he's talking gibberish but might as well try it |
| 20:28:23 | shadowswan | after installing rockbox on my 5g i boot into it and get IO error, error reg: 16 |
| 20:28:31 | shadowswan | anyone know what i can do about this? |
| 20:28:39 | preglow | have you installed rockbox as well as the bootloader? |
| 20:28:53 | shadowswan | its using the bootloader from iPl |
| 20:28:58 | preglow | right |
| 20:29:07 | Spida | hm, can anybody tell me how I add a whole dir (including subdirs) of mp3s to a playlist (rockbox optimzed 1.06 on iriver h340) |
| 20:29:22 | shadowswan | which yes i believe is the same as your one |
| 20:29:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadowswan: The iPL bootloader is not the same as ours, and if it's giving you an error message you need to ask someone from them about what their message means... |
| 20:29:51 | preglow | just so i don't misunderstand, it's rockbox saying that, yes? |
| 20:30:07 | shadowswan | i used your bootloader |
| 20:30:08 | preglow | i can't find any IO error message in rockbox |
| 20:30:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Spida: If recursively insert subdirectories is enabled, just c lick and hold navi on it and choose Playlist -> Insert |
| 20:30:45 | preglow | shadowswan: right, you just said you used the ipl bootloader, and now you say you're using ours? |
| 20:30:47 | shadowswan | when i get to the choice on what to boot i choose rockbox, load it and it comes up on the loading text error reg: 16 |
| 20:31:03 | preglow | are you certain that's not the bootloader talking+ |
| 20:31:11 | preglow | like i said, i can't find any message saying "IO error" in rockbox |
| 20:31:22 | shadowswan | http://rapidshare.de/files/14770836/loader.bin.html |
| 20:31:27 | shadowswan | i got it from there |
| 20:31:50 | preglow | shadowswan: this is almost certainly an iploader problem, i suggest you join #ipodlinux |
| 20:31:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadowswan: The iPL bootloader is different from ours. If you didn't follow the instructions at rockbox.org using the files hosted at rockbox.org, it's not the same loader. |
| 20:32:02 | shadowswan | and used it with your ip_fw and ipodpatcher |
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| 20:32:26 | shadowswan | i installed the latest build from your site yes |
| 20:32:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadowswan: But not the bootloader from our site. |
| 20:32:43 | shadowswan | ok |
| 20:32:52 | shadowswan | i'll speak top the guys over at ipl |
| 20:32:57 | t0mas | I already asked them |
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| 20:33:19 | t0mas | waiting for someone to answere if it's a message from their bootloader |
| 20:33:20 | K-B | SOS |
| 20:33:25 | shadowswan | ok ta |
| 20:33:34 | K-B | my i river is dead |
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| 20:33:48 | t0mas | K-B: relax... |
| 20:33:52 | t0mas | and tell us what happened? |
| 20:33:53 | preglow | K-B: elaborate |
| 20:33:58 | K-B | :) |
| 20:34:16 | K-B | ok i just download the lastest rockbox |
| 20:34:32 | K-B | and then my iriver fell down |
| 20:34:41 | preglow | there are quite a few steps there you don't mention |
| 20:34:47 | preglow | did you reflash the bootloader? |
| 20:34:52 | preglow | how does it not work? any error message? |
| 20:35:03 | t0mas | or have you just copied a new rockbox.zip to the player? |
| 20:35:04 | K-B | the orginal firmware |
| 20:35:11 | K-B | dont work |
| 20:35:15 | t0mas | rockbox does? |
| 20:35:23 | K-B | its working but i cant access the HD |
| 20:35:32 | K-B | maybe hardware format? |
| 20:35:33 | preglow | battery level is low or high? |
| 20:35:40 | t0mas | plugin in charger, and usb |
| 20:35:41 | K-B | lo w |
| 20:35:44 | t0mas | and then turn it on |
| 20:35:46 | preglow | charge it a bit |
| 20:35:47 | preglow | then try again |
| 20:35:49 | t0mas | it will enter bootloader usb mode |
| 20:35:55 | t0mas | and you should be able to access the disk |
| 20:36:30 | K-B | no i cant :( |
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| 20:36:47 | K-B | windows can find the usb |
| 20:36:53 | preglow | can rockbox access it? |
| 20:37:03 | K-B | it show the little green arrow |
| 20:37:11 | K-B | but my computer is stuck |
| 20:37:32 | preglow | can rockbox access it? <- |
| 20:37:40 | K-B | no |
| 20:37:45 | K-B | it stack too |
| 20:38:02 | preglow | doesn't sound too good |
| 20:38:10 | K-B | yes i know |
| 20:38:14 | K-B | no insurance either |
| 20:38:14 | preglow | almost sounds like the disk's had some physical error |
| 20:38:39 | shadowswan | t0mas: you got a reply yet? |
| 20:38:53 | t0mas | [20:36:30] * BleuLlama doesn't know. |
| 20:38:55 | preglow | K-B: ok, so both iriver firmware and rockbox hangs when they try to access the disk? |
| 20:38:57 | t0mas | nothing usefull... |
| 20:39:08 | K-B | yep |
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| 20:39:24 | K-B | i can reach it by the browser in the iriver software |
| 20:39:26 | shadowswan | 4.4 - Installing Rockbox Installing rockbox is incredibly easy. From Windows, go to rockbox.org, click on daily builds, download the latest for ipod video, and extract the .zip to the root of your ipod (your fat32 partition.) The Bootloader will give you "Rockbox" as a fourth option when you boot up, in addition to the other three. |
| 20:39:27 | K-B | but can copy |
| 20:39:36 | K-B | cant |
| 20:39:49 | shadowswan | ah wait i'm doing it in slax might that be the probelm? |
| 20:40:21 | shadowswan | *problem |
| 20:40:32 | t0mas | shadowswan: |
| 20:40:33 | t0mas | [20:40:28] <linuxstb> t0mas: Looking at the source, yes - it's an error message from the ATA driver in ipodloader2. 16 appears to be an ATA standard error code (read from REG_ERROR) |
| 20:40:37 | t0mas | and linuxstb is here :) |
| 20:40:44 | linuxstb | I was about to say that myself... |
| 20:40:52 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 20:41:05 | preglow | K-B: a bit hard to say, but i think i'd try giving that disk a format |
| 20:41:13 | shadowswan | so would doing it in windows help? |
| 20:41:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadowswan: Where are those instructions from? |
| 20:41:23 | preglow | K-B: and reflash back to ordinary iriver firmware as fast as possible if you've still got warranty on it |
| 20:41:40 | shadowswan | ipodlinux forums on installing on 5g : http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7748 |
| 20:42:49 | K-B | dont have |
| 20:42:57 | K-B | it thailand warrenty |
| 20:43:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadowswan: So, you installed it in a non-normal method (as in, not according to the rockbox instructions) and you're using their bootloader and not ours. |
| 20:43:02 | K-B | and i'm in israel :) |
| 20:43:21 | shadowswan | yep :) |
| 20:44:11 | preglow | K-B: well, i can't think of anything but giving it a format |
| 20:44:12 | preglow | brb |
| 20:44:36 | amiconn | preglow: What do you think about my suggestions regarding the codec warnings? |
| 20:44:49 | K-B | how? |
| 20:45:13 | preglow | amiconn: i'm afraid need to refresh my memory |
| 20:45:20 | preglow | K-B: the iriver firmware allows you to format the disk |
| 20:45:34 | amiconn | Scroll back to 19:04... |
| 20:45:39 | K-B | already tried it |
| 20:46:06 | linuxstb | shadowswan: Can you still access your ipod from your PC if you put it in disk mode? |
| 20:46:15 | shadowswan | i guess i'll just live without rockbox.... welll i'll try copying them accross in windows |
| 20:46:21 | shadowswan | linuxstb: yeah |
| 20:47:59 | preglow | ahh, those |
| 20:48:00 | amiconn | preglow: It definitely fixes the warnings... |
| 20:48:01 | preglow | sounds good |
| 20:48:06 | preglow | i can't think of any better way myself |
| 20:48:25 | linuxstb | You can try with the Rockbox bootloader - download it from the IpodInstallation wiki page, and then carry from from step 1.11 in those instructions, replacing "loader.bin" (the IPL loader) with "bootloader-video.bin" (the Rockbox loader). |
| 20:48:26 | preglow | K-B: and it doesn't work? |
| 20:48:42 | amiconn | preglow: Now if we knew why libmad crashes... |
| 20:48:58 | amiconn | libmad is supposed to work on 64 bit linux, isn't it? |
| 20:48:59 | shadowswan | linuxstb: does that mean formatting my ipod again? |
| 20:49:04 | linuxstb | shadowswan: You can boot IPL by renaming your kernel.bin to linux.bin. |
| 20:49:06 | linuxstb | shadowswan: No. |
| 20:49:12 | K-B | no |
| 20:49:16 | amiconn | Or may it be that our checkout is too old, and they fixed it later? |
| 20:49:31 | preglow | amiconn: it is |
| 20:49:38 | shadowswan | screw it i'll stick with the original ipod FW |
| 20:49:41 | preglow | amiconn: i think no further changes have been done |
| 20:49:45 | shadowswan | and ipl |
| 20:49:53 | shadowswan | thanks anyway guys |
| 20:49:57 | preglow | amiconn: the crash spot is really very strange too... |
| 20:49:57 | shadowswan | cya |
| 20:50:01 | preglow | amiconn: if you do a bt |
| 20:50:21 | amiconn | I'll try that in a few |
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| 20:50:55 | linuxstb | The last official libmad release was 17 Feb 2004. |
| 20:51:50 | amiconn | Fixes committed |
| 20:52:39 | preglow | amiconn: also, david bryant says he'll be fixing the wavpack 64 bit issues soon |
| 20:52:39 | amiconn | Bagder / t0mas: You can tell the build system that my machine is now able to build sims |
| 20:52:57 | t0mas | all sdl sims are ok? |
| 20:53:25 | amiconn | I'll try to build some other sims, but there should be no warnings left |
| 20:53:53 | amiconn | That doesn't mean the sims run 100%. They run fine except libmad and wavpack |
| 20:54:10 | t0mas | added |
| 20:54:43 | K-B | ok preglow 10x anyway |
| 20:54:44 | preglow | amiconn: i don't know if having a 64 bit build machine is very wise, now some errors will sporadically show up on the build table |
| 20:54:49 | preglow | K-B: np |
| 20:54:54 | * | amiconn now hopes for the gcc guys to fix m68k |
| 20:55:06 | preglow | amiconn: for the sims, that is |
| 20:55:32 | preglow | depending on who compiles the build |
| 20:55:36 | preglow | which is pretty random, i imagine |
| 20:56:02 | Paprica | amiconn: could you check the last rockcalendar on your ondio? |
| 20:57:11 | sneakums | the wiki doesn't seem to explain the crossfade settings, is there anythign else around that does? |
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| 21:02:12 | preglow | i think only slasheri knows what they mean |
| 21:03:01 | preglow | brb |
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| 21:07:03 | pleasebenice | does anyone know if rockbox will work for the motoriola m500 the firware is just a little bit buggy! |
| 21:07:21 | linuxstb | pleasebenice: No it won't. |
| 21:08:14 | pleasebenice | have you tryed or is rockbox specific to the mp3 players listed on the site |
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| 21:08:42 | linuxstb | Rockbox is extremely specific to the players it works on. Porting to a new player takes months (if not years) of work. |
| 21:09:33 | pleasebenice | have you ever tryed the motorola m 500 |
| 21:10:05 | linuxstb | No, I've never heard of it. |
| 21:10:19 | pleasebenice | my brother just bought the creative zen m and i was wondering has anyone tryed it ..i recommended it to him after he mentioned it ..he's going on his 3rd mp3 player now |
| 21:12:30 | amiconn | preglow: Please look at apps/codecs/libmad/mad.h, lines 70 thru 80. Then go on to lines 31 thru 33. What does that tell you? |
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| 21:32:05 | preglow | gimme a sec |
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| 21:32:41 | preglow | amiconn: is SIZEOF_INT even defined for us? |
| 21:32:53 | amiconn | Look at lines 31..33 ... |
| 21:33:04 | amiconn | This is no standard define, it's a libmad thing |
| 21:33:05 | preglow | aha |
| 21:33:05 | preglow | heh |
| 21:33:14 | preglow | well, we've got this nailed, then |
| 21:33:26 | preglow | beware, though, mad.h is a concated bunch of other headers |
| 21:33:29 | preglow | this bug might be several places |
| 21:33:48 | amiconn | We should make this mess use inttypes.h definitions |
| 21:33:56 | preglow | yeap |
| 21:34:12 | preglow | are you on the case or shall i? |
| 21:35:34 | amiconn | I'm currently doing other stuff. Testing rockcalendar, will then try to do some .lang work |
| 21:36:03 | amiconn | Paprica: I now tried rockcalendar. For some reason it starts in January 1900 |
| 21:36:36 | amiconn | ...even on 1900-01-00. There is no 0th day of a month... |
| 21:36:40 | safetydan | preglow, I've got cordic limping along (it works for 0..pi and 3pi/2..2pi) but the accuracy has gone. It's as much as 0.021 off math.h |
| 21:36:52 | safetydan | I'm not sure where the accuracy loss has come from |
| 21:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | On targets without an RTC, could rockcalenders start on the date the build occurred, or is that doable easily? |
| 21:37:02 | Paprica | amiconn, you need to set the date, no default date was set... |
| 21:37:35 | amiconn | Yes. What I'm saying is that it should start with a sane default if no date was set |
| 21:38:01 | amiconn | This might even happen on rtc-equipped targets, since the rtc might not be set |
| 21:38:13 | amiconn | (e.g. after battery change on recorder) |
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| 21:39:34 | amiconn | The calendar view doesn't always ensure the current day is visible. |
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| 21:40:23 | Paprica | ? |
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| 21:40:28 | Paprica | when it happens? |
| 21:40:38 | amiconn | When moving around it does, but when you have e.g. set the 1st of a month, enter the menu, set a date towards the end of the month, then leave the menu, the calendar view isn't scrolled down |
| 21:41:19 | Paprica | ok, little fix... |
| 21:41:21 | Paprica | mm |
| 21:41:25 | Paprica | what more? |
| 21:41:46 | amiconn | I can't figure out how to use the keyboard |
| 21:42:01 | Paprica | what is the problem? |
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| 21:42:19 | amiconn | Well, I can move around the picker area with the cursor |
| 21:42:42 | amiconn | but how do I move the insert cursor within the line? |
| 21:42:50 | amiconn | How do I enter capital letters? |
| 21:42:57 | amiconn | How do I delete chars? |
| 21:43:33 | amiconn | And finally: Why didn't you just use the standard menus and standard keyboard. Would be considerably easier to use... |
| 21:43:47 | Paprica | hold menu for capital letters, selete chars with del or <= on the 1st line |
| 21:44:14 | amiconn | When I hold MENU, it starts switching between caps and small like mad... |
| 21:44:21 | Paprica | oh |
| 21:44:26 | Paprica | ooppssiii |
| 21:44:28 | Paprica | =\ |
| 21:45:18 | amiconn | The keyboard is really confusing |
| 21:45:41 | Paprica | mm i love it on my h320 =\ |
| 21:45:47 | amiconn | Hmm, it didn't store my note... |
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| 21:46:10 | Paprica | maybe the archos models should use the default keyboard and menus |
| 21:46:31 | Paprica | blah, try again, work's fine fo me |
| 21:46:35 | amiconn | I added a note to 2006-03-22, left the calendar (it displayed 'saving data') and restarted it. No note... |
| 21:47:08 | Paprica | really dont know why.... |
| 21:47:18 | Paprica | it seem to work fine for me |
| 21:47:20 | amiconn | Imho all models should use the standard menus & keyboard. It would lead to consistent operation of core & plugin |
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| 21:48:52 | * | linuxstb agrees - but would also like to see the standard keyboard more like the rockcalander keyboard on the larger LCDs. |
| 21:49:17 | sharpe | hmmm... according to my away message, i've been in the shower the past... eight or so hours. |
| 21:49:25 | amiconn | Tried it again: entered note, day was marked. Displayed the note: displayed fine. Left & reentered calendar: note was gone |
| 21:49:47 | Paprica | shit |
| 21:49:54 | Paprica | i'll check i |
| 21:49:55 | Paprica | t |
| 21:49:58 | amiconn | The keyboard has another big disadvantage - no accented chars |
| 21:50:32 | amiconn | Paprica: "cal.da" ?? |
| 21:50:46 | Paprica | calendar.dates |
| 21:50:47 | Paprica | =] |
| 21:51:05 | Paprica | or data, dont remember =] |
| 21:51:07 | amiconn | Hide that well from Zagor I'd say |
| 21:51:15 | amiconn | :oops: |
| 21:51:20 | Zagor | too late :-) |
| 21:51:49 | * | Paprica hides |
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| 21:54:48 | linuxstb | Paprica: Did you read my comments about the Rockcalander iPod button mappings a couple of days ago? |
| 21:55:23 | preglow | amiconn: mok, i'll do it, then |
| 21:55:32 | Paprica | mmm dont think so, day? |
| 21:55:54 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060317.txt at 20.58.31 |
| 21:56:04 | linuxstb | Five days ago... |
| 21:57:58 | Paprica | ok, i'll change the mapping |
| 21:58:05 | amiconn | Paprica: These are the 2 lines I now have in cal.da: |
| 21:58:07 | amiconn | 022031065::Test| |
| 21:58:18 | amiconn | 022031065:Test| |
| 21:58:31 | amiconn | I wonder what that means.... |
| 21:59:28 | preglow | safetydan: to which bit is it accurate? |
| 21:59:34 | amiconn | The '5' in each line shouldn't belong there iiuc, and the first line having 2 : is also strange |
| 21:59:35 | Paprica | 0 type of note, 22 day, 03 month, 1065 (LOL?) year |
| 21:59:49 | Paprica | oh |
| 21:59:52 | Paprica | blah |
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| 22:00:03 | Spida | Paul_The_Nerd: thx |
| 22:00:23 | preglow | amiconn: that's it, mpa.c now works |
| 22:00:25 | Paprica | without the 5 |
| 22:00:37 | Paprica | its ok |
| 22:00:41 | Paprica | amiconn, sec |
| 22:01:01 | Paprica | 106 + 900 = 2006 |
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| 22:01:11 | Paprica | try to remove the file and add a new notes |
| 22:01:18 | Paprica | (please ;]) |
| 22:01:40 | amiconn | Your leap year formula is wrong |
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| 22:01:54 | amiconn | (for daysinmonth at least) |
| 22:02:25 | Paprica | ? |
| 22:02:27 | Paprica | why? |
| 22:03:15 | amiconn | Leap years are all years divisable by 4 without remainder, *except* the full centuries, *except from that* the 400s are leap years |
| 22:03:26 | preglow | amiconn: now it crashes in a memset when i skip tracks... |
| 22:04:08 | amiconn | I.e. 2004, 2008, 2012 etc were all leap years. 1700, 1800, 1900 were no leap years. 1600 and 2000 were. |
| 22:05:19 | Paprica | oh =\ |
| 22:06:30 | amiconn | Hmm the new test after deleting the file worked. I wonder why... |
| 22:06:42 | webguest63 | The whole leapyears thing is a trainwreck. We should just see to it that the earth spins at a reasonable speed instead. |
| 22:07:06 | linuxstb | Yes, let us move closer to the sun... |
| 22:07:07 | amiconn | The rotational speed even changes |
| 22:07:14 | safetydan | preglow, umm... what's the quickest way to figure that out? |
| 22:07:31 | preglow | safetydan: print the answer as integers |
| 22:07:37 | webguest63 | amiconn: Not if I had my way. |
| 22:07:48 | cky1billion | i just did a leapyear program for a midterm project |
| 22:07:50 | preglow | the double sin() calculation is of course the definition |
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| 22:08:19 | amiconn | (*very* slowly, but measurable) |
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| 22:12:37 | jlund | I just recently installed Rockbox and I've been using it exclusively for the past few weeks. The only feature I haven't been able to figure out is how to do a shuffle play across my library. Can anyone tell me? |
| 22:12:56 | Kyomi | I have a question for you all about editing wps |
| 22:13:03 | preglow | amiconn: got any bright ideas on what's causing this memset to crash? |
| 22:13:03 | bluebrother^ | jlund: add the root folder to a playlist and shuffle that playlist. |
| 22:13:23 | Kyomi | I have JoltAmp.wps which works fine and all |
| 22:13:38 | Kyomi | But instead of having it display the Genre.. I want it to display the album |
| 22:13:40 | safetydan | I think I'm being dense as it's not really telling me anything other than it can be off in the first digit or be good until the fourth digit (decimal) |
| 22:13:44 | Kyomi | What could I edit it in? |
| 22:13:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 22:14:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Just edit the .txt file in WordPad, or something similar. |
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| 22:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Err, .wps not .txt |
| 22:14:23 | shadoswan | heya i'm back :) |
| 22:14:25 | Kyomi | I dont need to compile it or something? |
| 22:14:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 22:14:33 | Kyomi | Awesome :D |
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| 22:14:58 | PhR3aK | is it true that the lcd driver is not finished on x5? some people say it works, some say it doesnt, they say they just have a white screen |
| 22:15:13 | preglow | safetydan: just compare the numbers in binary and see around which digit your approximation starts to differ |
| 22:15:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | PhR3aK: Just a white screen with text? |
| 22:15:32 | PhR3aK | no just white screen with battery information |
| 22:15:36 | shadoswan | figured the probelm but now some files won't let me delete on my ipod... some of the files in .rockbox won't... if i go to delete the folder it says cannot delete folder not empty then when i empty the folder it just fills up again |
| 22:15:46 | jlund | Alright, I figured out how to do a root level playlist. How do I activate shuffle? |
| 22:15:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | PhR3aK: If there aren't any visible files, it would be just a white screen with a status bar up top |
| 22:16:03 | Zagor | PhR3aK: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort says "LCD driver: 90%" |
| 22:16:03 | midkay | jlund, menu - general settings - playback - shuffle |
| 22:16:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | jlund: You may want to save the playlist as a file. |
| 22:16:23 | midkay | Linus said he was browsing his folders on his X5 a few days ago.. |
| 22:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadoswan: How does it fill up again? |
| 22:16:47 | PhR3aK | hm... actually some people say it works |
| 22:16:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'm guessing they're people in "Show supported" mode with no supported files in the root |
| 22:17:06 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right - see if the menu can be brought up, i guess. |
| 22:17:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | PhR3aK: I'm *guessing* that if they pressed the button to get to the menu, that would work. Basically, they just have no compatible files, and it's set to only show compatible ones, instead of all files |
| 22:17:36 | Kyomi | *testing it now* |
| 22:18:00 | jlund | Paul_The_Nerd - Seems like it did this automatically. Not nearly as easy as it was with the Apple firmware but still not bad. It's worth it for all of the other features that I get :). Finally CD ripping on my Linux box is easy as Vorbis is so widely supported. So thanks Rockbox team! |
| 22:18:20 | Moos | PhR3ak: working here, just a litle bit slow, but working, give Rockbox a try you will love it |
| 22:18:36 | bluebrother^ | is it intentional that the quick menu doesn't show the keys anymore? |
| 22:18:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | jlund: Okay, I wasn't sure which way you'd created the root playlist. One way creates a file, one way just stores it in RAM. :) |
| 22:18:39 | safetydan | worst case 2% off, best case 0.02% off |
| 22:18:46 | shadoswan | paul_the_nerd: all the files just come back... they are all bitmaps and in the wps folder |
| 22:18:50 | safetydan | err.. whoops didn't quite mean to type that yet |
| 22:19:03 | PhR3aK | but sound doesnt work right? |
| 22:19:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadoswan: And they come back when? |
| 22:19:25 | Moos | PhR3ak: I'm really impressed by the works made by LinusN, that look quite nice for a first bootloader version |
| 22:19:36 | Kyomi | yay! |
| 22:19:38 | Moos | PhR3ak: correct, no sound yet |
| 22:19:38 | Kyomi | It works :D |
| 22:19:43 | amiconn | Paprica: Archos recorder: calendar.rock: 6.15 KB, rockcalendar.rock: 13.2 KB |
| 22:20:08 | Kyomi | What is Bootloader USB mode? Is it just plain usb mode w/o charging? |
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| 22:20:27 | * | Kyomi wants to make a wps now |
| 22:20:33 | Kyomi | What all do you need for a wps? |
| 22:20:38 | Kyomi | I've got the code now :) |
| 22:20:42 | linuxstb | Kyomi: It's USB mode inside the bootloader, as opposed to USB mode in Rockbox or the original firmware. |
| 22:20:51 | shadoswan | paul_the_nerd as soon as i try to delete the folder |
| 22:20:52 | Kyomi | o.O |
| 22:20:56 | PhR3aK | is it still a long way to get sound working? |
| 22:20:59 | Kyomi | It doesn't matter does it? |
| 22:21:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadoswan: Are you in linux? |
| 22:21:05 | Kyomi | It still gets the files in there :) |
| 22:21:09 | jlund | Does Crossfeed automatically come on in Shuffle mode? |
| 22:21:18 | midkay | fade? |
| 22:21:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | jlund: Crossfeed doesn't. Crossfade might, depending on your settings |
| 22:21:27 | linuxstb | Kyomi: Yes - they _should_ all work. Bootloader USB mode is a backup in case Rockbox or the original firmware can't be started. |
| 22:21:34 | jlund | Yeah, I meant fade |
| 22:21:44 | midkay | crossfade has a setting for only turning on in shuffle mode. |
| 22:21:56 | shadoswan | paul_the_nerd: XP atm |
| 22:22:07 | * | amiconn got outbidden on an iPod mini :/ |
| 22:22:14 | Kyomi | OH! |
| 22:22:18 | Kyomi | I found a bug.. I think |
| 22:22:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadoswan: And you're saying you can't delete the .rockbox folder? |
| 22:22:26 | jlund | What is Crossfeed? |
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| 22:22:47 | Kyomi | When you have a song playing and hold down the A-B for the quick song repeat/shuffle options |
| 22:23:07 | Kyomi | It's missing the >> picture things |
| 22:23:23 | * | amiconn gets the impression that iPods are overpriced |
| 22:23:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Yeah, that's a known issues right now. :) |
| 22:23:36 | preglow | now where did you get that idea :>>> |
| 22:23:40 | PhR3aK | will it take a long time to get the sound working on the x5? |
| 22:23:48 | shadoswan | paul_the_herd: you got it |
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| 22:24:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | shadoswan: If you can't delete the files from inside windows, then it's more of a windows issue than anything else, isn't it. Have you tried rebooting your computer, and then trying to delete the files? |
| 22:25:29 | Moos | PhR3aK: God knows ;) |
| 22:25:47 | Moos | let's hope someone with a bit of time will come and help |
| 22:25:48 | safetydan | preglow, okay I'm really having an attack of the stupids at the moment, but percentage wise the worst case is 2% error and the best is 0.02% |
| 22:26:04 | preglow | 2% error is way, way too much |
| 22:26:12 | safetydan | thought as much |
| 22:26:22 | Kyomi | Spacing on this wps is offf |
| 22:26:31 | midkay | safetydan, what are you talking about, if i may ask? |
| 22:26:32 | preglow | the first cordic version you did was accurate to within 3 bits |
| 22:26:33 | Kyomi | I thought it said if there wasn't a % it'd appear like that verbatim? |
| 22:26:36 | preglow | that was an ok error |
| 22:26:42 | shadoswan | paul_the_nerd i'll try it in XP later |
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| 22:26:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought he said he was trying it in XP |
| 22:27:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, spaces can be different sizes depending on what font you use. |
| 22:27:20 | preglow | safetydan: don't sweat too hard over this |
| 22:27:25 | safetydan | midkay, cordic sin functions that take an angle in 0.32 format (0..2pi) and output the sin/cos in s1.30 format... which it doesn't seem to liek |
| 22:27:34 | preglow | safetydan: if you can't get 0.32 to work, then we'll do it the ordinary way |
| 22:27:38 | safetydan | preglow, in a perverse way it's sort of fun :) |
| 22:27:47 | preglow | heh |
| 22:27:59 | preglow | it is possible to surprise onesself with stuff like this, yes |
| 22:28:03 | preglow | i've managed it before |
| 22:28:14 | preglow | safetydan: btw, why the one int bit? |
| 22:28:17 | midkay | safetydan, ah.. |
| 22:28:18 | Kyomi | >_< |
| 22:28:20 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 22:28:26 | Kyomi | What font should I be editing it? |
| 22:28:27 | Kyomi | in* |
| 22:28:54 | Kyomi | Because I cant get the : in the string "Album : <album>" to line up with the rest even though it is in the wps file |
| 22:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, ideally you'd want to edit it in the same font you were planning on using in Rockbox, but that's rarely an option |
| 22:29:09 | safetydan | preglow, typo I think |
| 22:29:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: How much was the winning bid (and what kind of mini was it) ? |
| 22:29:30 | amiconn | 4GB silver, 161 EUR |
| 22:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Well, if your font has variable width letters (as some do) then it may be impossible to get the : to line up |
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| 22:31:00 | Kyomi | But they all lined up before I changed the Genre to Album |
| 22:31:05 | PhR3aK | im going to try rockbox on my x5 now :) |
| 22:31:18 | Kyomi | Is there a sim for things like this? |
| 22:31:25 | shiroro | sorry to bother everyone, I have one stupid ipod question and nothing else of note |
| 22:31:31 | PhR3aK | if anything goes wrong im always able to flash back to the orginal firmware right? |
| 22:31:36 | PhR3aK | so no big risk? |
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| 22:32:05 | Chamois | no risks |
| 22:32:11 | crashd | shiroro: least you're honest ;) |
| 22:32:14 | crashd | shiroro: what's the problem |
| 22:32:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Yeah, if you compile the Sim you can use it to preview WPSes |
| 22:32:24 | shiroro | just curious, but is there any way to manually toggle the backlight? |
| 22:32:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | shiroro: Not at the moment. |
| 22:32:52 | shiroro | okay |
| 22:33:07 | Kyomi | Errr |
| 22:33:09 | obo | any 4g/nano users here? |
| 22:33:11 | Kyomi | Compile using what? |
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| 22:33:21 | shiroro | oh well, in that case I got rockbox running within 5 minutes |
| 22:33:26 | linuxstb | obo: Yes. |
| 22:33:28 | safetydan | Kyomi, gcc under cygwin, there's instructions on the wiki |
| 22:33:33 | Kyomi | Argh |
| 22:33:38 | Kyomi | I can't be arsed to do that :P |
| 22:33:39 | obo | do you get a click on shutdown? |
| 22:33:41 | shiroro | gapless is absolutely appreciated |
| 22:33:48 | Kyomi | Why cant there just be a windows version? :P |
| 22:33:51 | Kyomi | Wait |
| 22:33:52 | crashd | lol |
| 22:33:54 | crashd | lazy bugger |
| 22:34:05 | crashd | it's worth setting up a dev environment, if just for testing patches and the like |
| 22:34:08 | safetydan | Kyomi, there is a windows version, you just have to compile it :) |
| 22:34:10 | Kyomi | I technically have a unix shell with my student space at my college |
| 22:34:17 | Kyomi | Will that work? :) |
| 22:34:21 | shiroro | also, do I need to reset to turn off the backlight altogether? |
| 22:34:24 | Kyomi | Could I use that gcc and all to do it?> |
| 22:34:31 | shiroro | it seems to be stuck on at the moment and I set backlight and backlight timer both to off |
| 22:34:41 | obo | linuxstb: audible click that is... |
| 22:34:44 | safetydan | Kyomi, if you can get a graphical window running on it maybe |
| 22:35:10 | safetydan | Bagder, is the reason we don't offer precompiled SDL sims for Windows because the cross compiler didn't work with SDL? |
| 22:35:19 | PhR3aK | :( |
| 22:35:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | shiroro: The "off" setting is broken, and leaves it on right now. Set it to 1s is the best you can do |
| 22:35:32 | PhR3aK | rockbox shuts of after short boot screen |
| 22:35:35 | PhR3aK | on my x5 |
| 22:35:43 | shiroro | okay |
| 22:35:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | PhR3aK: You did copy over an extract a CVS build, and not JUST the bootloader right? |
| 22:36:04 | shiroro | also, should I boot to default firmware if I'm powering it off the charger and using firewire for power? |
| 22:36:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: You mean in the earphones? |
| 22:36:08 | PhR3aK | yeah in the root |
| 22:36:13 | PhR3aK | of my x5 |
| 22:36:14 | obo | Paul_The_Nerd: yup |
| 22:36:31 | PhR3aK | hm... maybee because i have the x5? |
| 22:36:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | shiroro: Probably the best way as I don't believe there's any firewire support at all yet |
| 22:36:35 | PhR3aK | sry x5l |
| 22:36:39 | shiroro | okay |
| 22:36:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | PhR3aK: I thought the X5L was just a different battery. Does the bootloader show anything while it boots? |
| 22:36:56 | shiroro | (running a 5G so there's no way to move files via firewire anyway) |
| 22:37:04 | shiroro | oh well, I'm going to move over the rest of my music |
| 22:37:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: That's normal for the moment, I think it's just the fact that it's actually turning *off* as opposed to just suspending like the apple firmware does. |
| 22:37:52 | obo | Paul_The_Nerd: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4819 - I'll expand it to include the WM8975 then |
| 22:38:25 | PhR3aK | he shows battery voltage (3,83V) and some stuff and then something like model name: h120 |
| 22:38:25 | PhR3aK | sum: [some_hex] |
| 22:38:25 | PhR3aK | result: -5 |
| 22:38:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: Fair enough. Though the click isn't nearly "loud" on my earphones. |
| 22:38:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | PhR3aK: Are you using a CVS build, or a Daily build? |
| 22:38:45 | shiroro | and it doesn't seem to be dropping out on −−aps/−−ape rips |
| 22:38:48 | linuxstb | PhR3aK: You need a CVS build. |
| 22:38:54 | shiroro | it's normal for pause/resume to take a few seconds, right? |
| 22:38:55 | PhR3aK | ok where to get? |
| 22:39:16 | Kyomi | Lol |
| 22:39:20 | PhR3aK | sry... |
| 22:39:21 | linuxstb | www.rockbox.org - "CVS Builds" in the menu. |
| 22:39:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | shiroro: It can, yes. The 5G is a little slow still, in some cases. |
| 22:40:06 | obo | Paul_The_Nerd: I notice it on my 5g at line out level to my speakers anyway... |
| 22:40:15 | preglow | argh31#!" |
| 22:40:24 | safetydan | ? |
| 22:40:39 | shiroro | okay |
| 22:40:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: It's definitely noticeable, yeah. I was just saying t hat person describes it as a *very* loud thing |
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| 22:41:41 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, you're using VMware, aren't you? on just-checked-out copies of rockbox, i keep getting these "file modification times are x minutes in the future" messages, and it won't compile - i have to open/edit/resave them to correct the modified time.. do you know a workaround? |
| 22:42:19 | linx | what's up all... sorry for being a newb, but i just found the rockbox firmware and was wondering if it's possible (future?) that rockbox will support the m4p apple protected files...? |
| 22:42:37 | sneakums | the crossfade is pretty sweet, now that i've fiddled with it a bit |
| 22:43:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: There's a few: The easy one, set your VMWare's hardware clock a year in the future. |
| 22:43:20 | PhR3aK | ok it works thanks guys :) |
| 22:43:20 | midkay | linx, doubtful, i think.. 'protected' is a no-no, iirc. |
| 22:43:24 | obo | midkay: sounds like the timezone is wrong for you in the VMWare image?? |
| 22:43:29 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, didn't you say it always reset? |
| 22:43:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: My preferred is just to su, then hwclock −−hctosys before doing a build |
| 22:43:41 | midkay | obo, there's a possibility.. i just did hwclock −−hctosys. |
| 22:43:42 | midkay | haha. |
| 22:43:46 | amiconn | midkay: Check the timezone settings in the vm, and the slection of what the hwclock uses |
| 22:43:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Halt your VMWare system, then next time you run it, use F2 to get into setup and set the hardware clock rather than just the OS clock |
| 22:43:57 | midkay | amiconn, how can i do that? |
| 22:44:06 | midkay | aah.. |
| 22:44:07 | amiconn | Afaik this should be set to 'local', not UTC |
| 22:44:13 | linx | ok thanks... |
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| 22:44:20 | PhR3aK | how do i get in the main menu? |
| 22:44:26 | sneakums | "find . | xargs touch" should set all files to the current time |
| 22:44:28 | shiroro | oh, and if I want the iPod to play while charging, do I hold down menu or another key as I insert the cable? |
| 22:44:33 | shiroro | (this is the last one. I hope.) |
| 22:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: The VMWare system's clock doesn't stay synced. It runs a little bit slow, and gets out of sync with the hardware clock. |
| 22:44:40 | linuxstb | PhR3aK: Press buttons randomly until you find out which one it is :) |
| 22:44:44 | sneakums | all files in the current directory, that is |
| 22:44:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | shiroro: Menu |
| 22:44:54 | Paprica | linuxstb, what play should do on rockcalendar? (IPOD) |
| 22:44:56 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Not when vmware tools are installed and clock sync is enabled |
| 22:44:58 | shiroro | okay |
| 22:45:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Hrm. Are VMWare tools free? |
| 22:45:44 | PhR3aK | it works thanks play button |
| 22:45:45 | midkay | amiconn, i can set the time in the "bios" - is that all that needs to be done? no "hwclock" options or anything.. |
| 22:45:54 | Moos | PhR3aK: long push play/pause button |
| 22:45:56 | amiconn | I dunno whether you can install them with the vmware player |
| 22:45:58 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: I may have found a bug |
| 22:46:00 | midkay | er, Paul_The_Nerd.. |
| 22:46:04 | PhR3aK | no short |
| 22:46:06 | Kyomi | When you have a song playing and hold down the A-B for the quick song repeat/shuffle options |
| 22:46:11 | PhR3aK | short pressing the button |
| 22:46:17 | Kyomi | It's missing the >> picture things |
| 22:46:31 | Kyomi | Telling you what button goes with which option |
| 22:46:37 | Moos | PhR3aK: ? |
| 22:46:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The problem is that when you set that, it's still just the HWCLock. It'll stay synced with your real hardware clock, but the clock that date checks will get out of Sync. It's a VMWare bug, apparently, because the 2.6 kernel works off of 1000hz checks instead of 100hz checks, or something. |
| 22:46:45 | midkay | Kyomi, it's known. |
| 22:46:50 | midkay | i'm working on it now, actually.. |
| 22:46:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Yeah, as I said, known bug. :) |
| 22:47:02 | midkay | ah.. |
| 22:47:12 | PhR3aK | ok sry... pressing little longer works |
| 22:47:16 | linuxstb | Paprica: PLAY doesn't really have a common function on the ipod. So you can probably put anything there that needs a button. |
| 22:47:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I was reading about official VMWare workarounds, but most of them require VMWare Tools |
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| 22:48:07 | Paprica | ok, and in the keyboard... which keys should move left and right? |
| 22:48:30 | Paprica | scrool wheel? |
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| 22:49:27 | Kyomi | I wanna code something :D |
| 22:49:31 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so. And don't bother mapping UP/DOWN - use the MENU/PLAY buttons for more important things. |
| 22:49:42 | cky1billion | so phr3ak how functional is it, aside from lack of sound? |
| 22:49:42 | PhR3aK | how do i exit games? |
| 22:49:51 | cky1billion | what other features etc... |
| 22:49:51 | PhR3aK | hm it isnt slow |
| 22:50:07 | PhR3aK | browsing works very well :) |
| 22:50:08 | cky1billion | im gonna flash after i get back a bit later |
| 22:50:39 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Kernel 2.6.x runs just fine with minimal clock drift on VMware workstation 5.0+ and also VMware player 1.0x |
| 22:50:42 | cky1billion | have you found the keyboard? or calendar i have heard people mention on other devices |
| 22:50:58 | amiconn | VMware workstation 4.x has problems with kernel 2.6 |
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| 22:51:38 | Moos | PhR3aK: isn't Rockbox really promising for your DAP? ;-) |
| 22:51:45 | Paprica | linuxstb, ok |
| 22:51:52 | PhR3aK | yeah i can play pong greeaaat :) |
| 22:51:57 | PhR3aK | yeah!!! |
| 22:51:58 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Have you tried the rockboy controls patch? |
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