| 00:00:04 | preglow | dpassen1: no, not yet, i just coded it |
| 00:00:18 | preglow | dpassen1: that describes the crossfeed i use |
| 00:00:21 | dpassen1 | Excellent |
| 00:00:31 | preglow | dpassen1: that is, that guy more or less designed the whole thing, i just code it |
| 00:01:59 | dpassen1 | I'm sure I speak for more than myself when I say thank you. |
| 00:02:18 | tucoz | quite impressive research made I must say |
| 00:03:11 | tucoz | good night |
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| 00:12:28 | lImbus | what about those bass shakers ? |
| 00:12:38 | lImbus | there are some on ebay for not much money |
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| 00:26:18 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't look like our bug'll be fixed anytime soon |
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| 00:30:53 | afruff23 | does doom work for the X5 yet? |
| 00:31:04 | Mikachu | preglow: can i see the piezo patch? |
| 00:31:11 | preglow | Mikachu: gimme a sec |
| 00:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Has the Doom patch been updated? |
| 00:31:44 | afruff23 | I don't think so |
| 00:32:06 | afruff23 | but I haven't heard offical reports |
| 00:32:14 | afruff23 | just first-time rockbox users |
| 00:32:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Well, if there's not an update to it saying "X5 support" I'd imagine that if it wasn't working before and it hasn't changed, it wouldn't be working now |
| 00:32:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: You do know where the Doom patch is, right? |
| 00:32:31 | afruff23 | yea |
| 00:32:33 | afruff23 | the tracker |
| 00:32:43 | afruff23 | under patches |
| 00:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since it's not in Rockbox, that's where you can expect to see "official" updates as to whether it's changed. |
| 00:33:46 | afruff23 | No, I thought doom didn't work for the X5 since the users are inexperienced and din't know how toget it to work |
| 00:33:55 | afruff23 | my sources are from iaudiophile |
| 00:33:57 | afruff23 | .net |
| 00:35:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: So, what did you want to know again? You're being told it doesn't work, it hasn't been updated to say it does work, and you aren't trying it yourself to figure out if it's just because people have applied it wrong or if it needs changes?' |
| 00:36:04 | afruff23 | some people on iaudiophi;e are not that computer literate though |
| 00:36:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: So, why don't you try out the patch then? |
| 00:37:03 | afruff23 | because rockbox says the current firmware is for devlopers only |
| 00:37:06 | afruff23 | (for the X5) |
| 00:37:14 | afruff23 | and I can't play music |
| 00:37:24 | afruff23 | and my download hangs at 19% |
| 00:37:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can remove it after, though |
| 00:37:34 | afruff23 | for the compiler they suggest |
| 00:37:47 | afruff23 | I know, but I use my music quite often |
| 00:37:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then what does it matter if Doom works, anyway? |
| 00:38:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or rather, why are you so eager that you mistrust the reports there, *and* the fact that the last update to the patch was before the X5 was supported by RB? |
| 00:38:26 | afruff23 | it hangs all 3 tiems I've tried it(from different servers) |
| 00:38:53 | afruff23 | I thought soem code was non-player specific |
| 00:38:59 | preglow | Mikachu: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/wheelbeep.patch |
| 00:39:00 | preglow | Mikachu: hack alert |
| 00:39:09 | Mikachu | thanks |
| 00:39:36 | Mikachu | wgets speed calc isn't very accurate if the download is subsecond... 00:39:18 (85.38 MB/s) - `wheelbeep.patch' saved [1880/1880] |
| 00:39:51 | preglow | hahha |
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| 00:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Some code is. But, not all code. And I asked why you're so eager and distrusting of reports. If they can't get it working, and you're not going to use it even if it does, does it matter if they're right or wrong? |
| 00:40:29 | Mikachu | preglow: which of the numbers in set pitch is the pitch? |
| 00:40:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Especially since you've already admitted you can't compile yourself, so even if it *does* work, you wouldn't be able to use it until it entered CVS, at which point there would be clear documentation on which targets it works on. |
| 00:41:10 | preglow | Mikachu: it's got a comment saying pitch |
| 00:41:16 | preglow | Mikachu: and btw, it's not pitch, it's period |
| 00:41:23 | preglow | Mikachu: so the smaller the number, the whinier the pitch |
| 00:41:26 | afruff23 | I can't compile it, but my friend can |
| 00:41:31 | afruff23 | why waste his time? |
| 00:41:33 | Mikachu | ah, okay, so the 0x30 then? |
| 00:41:36 | preglow | yea |
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| 00:42:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Because then you actually know for sure. Why *not* test it? |
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| 00:43:16 | Mikachu | afruff23: and you're not wasting anyone's time now? |
| 00:43:47 | afruff23 | if you have other things to do, then i don't mind |
| 00:44:27 | Mikachu | preglow: i understand, you enable the piezo for two ticks and then disable it |
| 00:44:29 | Mikachu | <- genius |
| 00:44:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: I would recommend assuming it doesn't work, since you're unwilling to test "developer only" software |
| 00:44:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Rockbox probably will say developer only for well over a year for the X5 |
| 00:45:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | It did for a long time for H120 |
| 00:45:13 | afruff23 | it only says developer only ebcause of no audio playback and no dual-boot |
| 00:45:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: No, it says developer only because it's not release-ready yet. iPod was recommended for developers only when it had sound *and* dual boot |
| 00:45:53 | linuxstb | afruff23: Doom will at least need button mappings added for the X5 - it won't compile without them. |
| 00:46:19 | afruff23 | finally, a clear answer |
| 00:46:24 | afruff23 | thanx linuxstb |
| 00:46:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: That doesn't tell you anything. Button mappings can be done in 30 seconds, and then you're back not knowing if it works. |
| 00:47:08 | afruff23 | but I wouldn't know how to map buttons |
| 00:47:16 | afruff23 | and the guy has yet to update it |
| 00:47:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: I could update it with button mappings, I did it for iPod at one point, but it doesn't matter since you're not willing to compile anyway. |
| 00:48:00 | afruff23 | I am as long as it's worth my friend's time |
| 00:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought you already declared it wasn't worth his time |
| 00:48:15 | afruff23 | he's impatient |
| 00:48:26 | * | preglow hands Mikachu the golden hat of understanding |
| 00:48:29 | afruff23 | If I am sure it would work, then it would be |
| 00:48:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you're not |
| 00:48:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | All I could guarantee was that it would compile |
| 00:48:49 | afruff23 | that's why I asked to begin with |
| 00:48:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | That tells you nothing |
| 00:49:01 | preglow | Mikachu: one tick sounded too weird for me, so i made it two |
| 00:49:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Afruff23: Someone with the hardware has to test it. Karl doesn't have an X5 as far as I know. Neither do I. Clearly you're unwilling to actually attempt to forward the effort, so I honestly suggest you just wait until the patch itself updates and says the X5 is supported |
| 00:50:21 | Mikachu | preglow: ahah, so you had a hat after all |
| 00:50:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heck, I'm a little irritated that Karl's gone and completely recoded the thing. With that necessary prboom.wad, and the "Oh, it doesn't work on iPods again" bit. |
| 00:50:40 | linuxstb | Thinking about it, Doom probably won't work on the X5 because it needs a working audio driver. |
| 00:51:13 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I agree. I was about 30 minutes away from committing the first version, and then he appeared on IRC with version 2. |
| 00:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: That was horribly frustrating for me, because I was in the process of talking about 5 people in different places including the new maintainer of H300 optimized through patching Doom into a build, and suddenly my statement of "download the newest .zip and .diff" ended up not working for most of them. :) |
| 00:52:29 | preglow | Mikachu: it's golden, you can't eat gold |
| 00:52:36 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 00:52:36 | preglow | Mikachu: besides, it's yours now |
| 00:52:48 | Mikachu | unless if it's pure gold, that's pretty soft |
| 00:52:57 | Mikachu | you could probably get it down with some strong acids |
| 00:53:18 | station | which .codec file in .rockbox/codecs/ corresponds to mp3 |
| 00:53:24 | preglow | station: mpa |
| 00:53:42 | * | Mikachu tries adding piezo sound effects to brickmania for fun |
| 00:53:42 | * | linuxstb discovers a 600x600 JPEG cover art image inside the track he bought from the itunes music store |
| 00:53:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | 600x600?! |
| 00:54:07 | afruff23 | isn't that a bit big |
| 00:54:16 | Mikachu | you could have a party on that jpeg with all your friends |
| 00:54:24 | linuxstb | The JPEG file is highly compressed - about 46KB. |
| 00:54:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Every time the ball connects with something? |
| 00:55:41 | Mikachu | hooray, it worked |
| 00:55:48 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i added it to firing now to test |
| 00:56:18 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks that little piezo buzz is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil |
| 00:56:40 | Mikachu | preglow's code doesn't sound at all like apple's |
| 00:57:24 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i'm having some trouble finding the place where ball coords are checked, brickmania is basically 2000 lines of uncommented nested for and if statements |
| 00:57:25 | preglow | Mikachu: no, i didn't try making it sound like it either |
| 00:57:31 | preglow | Mikachu: it uses a different freq, for one |
| 00:57:32 | Mikachu | i know, just saying |
| 00:57:39 | preglow | Mikachu: try adjusting it to more like 0x80 |
| 00:57:43 | preglow | Mikachu: i think that sounds more like iot |
| 00:57:44 | * | afruff23 thinks hotmail's spam filter is garbage |
| 00:57:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Yeah, I've seen it. It scares me. |
| 00:58:35 | Mikachu | we should force Paprica to do some commenting |
| 00:59:28 | afruff23 | any links to piezo documentation? |
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| 01:00:36 | preglow | documentation??? |
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| 01:01:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | "documentation" + "ipod feature" is unlikely |
| 01:01:42 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 01:01:55 | Mikachu | bouncing at top edge = one sound, firing lazors = other sound |
| 01:01:56 | Mikachu | much success |
| 01:02:20 | Zoide777 | ooohhh |
| 01:02:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now do voice! |
| 01:02:25 | Zoide777 | commit? |
| 01:02:27 | Zoide777 | :D |
| 01:02:34 | Mikachu | Zoide777: uh, it's a bit incomplete... |
| 01:02:35 | Zoide777 | that would be the fastest feature addition ever |
| 01:02:41 | Mikachu | and i'm not a devel |
| 01:02:47 | Mikachu | and it probably only works on nano, preglow? |
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| 01:02:55 | afruff23 | as in what is piexo sound effects exactly? |
| 01:03:02 | afruff23 | piezo* |
| 01:03:10 | Mikachu | it is the builtin speaker element in the ipods |
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| 01:03:25 | afruff23 | seriously... |
| 01:03:38 | Mikachu | it's a piece of metal that changes shape when you put voltage over it |
| 01:03:44 | Mikachu | changing shape == emitting sound |
| 01:04:11 | Mikachu | i wonder what .tempy and .tempx is |
| 01:04:11 | preglow | Mikachu: nah, should work on most newer ipods |
| 01:04:14 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 01:04:27 | preglow | but don't commit it |
| 01:04:43 | Mikachu | i can't, don't worry :) |
| 01:04:49 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 01:04:49 | preglow | haha |
| 01:04:59 | preglow | i can't remember who's bloody commiters in here anymore |
| 01:05:04 | Mikachu | i talk too much for a user |
| 01:05:15 | Mikachu | hooray, found the code where blocks are destroyed |
| 01:05:22 | Mikachu | if (brick[i*10+j].hits > 0) { |
| 01:05:30 | preglow | purdy |
| 01:05:31 | Mikachu | i think... |
| 01:06:02 | Mikachu | oh god, i just realized to what extent this code is ugly :) |
| 01:06:40 | Zoide777 | from your dereminds me of some ti-basic games... |
| 01:06:53 | Zoide777 | *description |
| 01:08:02 | * | BoD[] is working on a "scifi / old green terminal" theme for the ipod |
| 01:08:12 | Mikachu | that if statement is in 5 places in the code, one for each edge of the block that can be hit, and one more i can't figure out yet |
| 01:08:20 | Mikachu | oh, maybe for firing |
| 01:08:38 | BoD[] | but now is the time to dodo :) |
| 01:08:42 | BoD[] | good night all |
| 01:08:47 | Zoide777 | bye bod |
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| 01:11:16 | Mikachu | hooray, sounds on block destruction |
| 01:11:25 | Mikachu | this is starting to sound like impact for atari if anyone's played that :) |
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| 01:17:25 | eEye_ | does anybody have an iaudio x5? |
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| 01:18:46 | afruff23 | me |
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| 01:24:06 | Mikachu | preglow: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-brickmania_piezo_sound_ipod_WIP.patch :) |
| 01:24:16 | Mikachu | sorry for the noise in the patch |
| 01:24:28 | preglow | Mikachu: what's it do... |
| 01:24:41 | Mikachu | sound when the ball hits stuff |
| 01:26:07 | preglow | haha |
| 01:26:11 | preglow | gotta try that out |
| 01:28:04 | Mikachu | i think i catched all the cases of stopping the piezo, but i can't promise it |
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| 01:28:12 | Jungti1234 | wiki spam |
| 01:28:14 | Jungti1234 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowardSnyderlkbe8 |
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| 01:29:15 | lImbus | Jungti1234: y0, bad bad |
| 01:29:26 | Jungti1234 | um? |
| 01:29:34 | lImbus | kill it :-) |
| 01:29:39 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 01:31:34 | preglow | hahaha |
| 01:31:38 | preglow | beep |
| 01:31:39 | preglow | beep |
| 01:31:49 | Mikachu | i hope you disabled your button beeping first |
| 01:32:08 | Mikachu | or maybe it won't interfere in 2 ticks anyway |
| 01:32:15 | preglow | i disabled it, yeah |
| 01:32:19 | Mikachu | my ticks aren't exactly ticks, just game frames |
| 01:32:44 | preglow | damn |
| 01:32:51 | preglow | brickmania on h100 is almost unplayable |
| 01:32:54 | preglow | thanks to the lcd slowness |
| 01:33:08 | preglow | can't see what the different bonuses are |
| 01:33:11 | preglow | i keep running into d's |
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| 01:35:56 | Mikachu | i've already finished the game :) |
| 01:35:59 | scottder | When you pause and un pause it kinda of ramps the volume on and off,,,can that feature be shut off in prefs? |
| 01:36:07 | Mikachu | yes |
| 01:36:09 | preglow | you can finish it? :> |
| 01:36:15 | Mikachu | yeah, there are only 30 levels or so |
| 01:36:25 | eEye_ | does anyone have an iaudio x5? |
| 01:36:26 | preglow | only |
| 01:36:27 | preglow | ahahah |
| 01:36:28 | scottder | Mikachu: wheere? |
| 01:36:29 | scottder | :) |
| 01:36:34 | Mikachu | with absolute controlling with the wheel, it's actually possible to play |
| 01:36:41 | Mikachu | scottder: er, somewhere, dig around |
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| 01:36:49 | Kohlrabi | <eEye_> does anybody have an iaudio x5? | <afruff23> me |
| 01:36:51 | preglow | Mikachu: absolute controlling? |
| 01:37:03 | preglow | Mikachu: as in moves to an absolute position as according to the wheel? |
| 01:37:07 | scottder | Ah found it |
| 01:37:08 | scottder | :) |
| 01:37:09 | Mikachu | yeah it checks where your finger is and puts the pad in that palce |
| 01:37:17 | Kohlrabi | oh |
| 01:37:20 | Kohlrabi | He left, sorry |
| 01:37:22 | preglow | Mikachu: fancy-ass, why's that not in cvs? |
| 01:37:28 | Mikachu | preglow: ask lostlogic :) |
| 01:37:32 | preglow | lostlogic: ! |
| 01:38:11 | Mikachu | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4721 |
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| 01:39:05 | unhcr | hey you guys |
| 01:39:08 | unhcr | great work on the X5 |
| 01:39:13 | unhcr | is anyone here who is working on it? |
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| 01:39:34 | interestediaudio | eEye_: I've got an X5. Why? |
| 01:40:02 | preglow | unhcr: mno |
| 01:40:15 | preglow | i don't believe any iaudio people are here now |
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| 01:40:26 | unhcr | ah okay |
| 01:40:35 | unhcr | i wanted to know if the audio driver is being tested any time soon |
| 01:41:44 | preglow | i have no idea |
| 01:41:46 | scottder | Mikachu: it was in system settings |
| 01:41:50 | preglow | linus is in charge of that stuff |
| 01:42:05 | Mikachu | preglow: you saw the tracker url i guess |
| 01:42:09 | preglow | Mikachu: aye |
| 01:42:25 | unhcr | ah okay |
| 01:42:25 | preglow | i'm working on other stuff now, though, so am not allowing myself to even try, heh |
| 01:42:31 | preglow | i like brickmania style games too much |
| 01:42:31 | unhcr | lol |
| 01:42:32 | Mikachu | okay :) |
| 01:42:37 | dbzdeath | hey can someone please help me? my iriver h340 sort of froze and i can't turn the power off using the power off button |
| 01:42:45 | Mikachu | it also makes pacbox a lot less hard on your fingers |
| 01:42:48 | preglow | dbzdeath: what about the reset pin |
| 01:42:48 | preglow | ? |
| 01:43:20 | preglow | (h3x0 does have a reset button, yeah?) |
| 01:43:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:43:39 | dbzdeath | hmm maybe |
| 01:43:47 | preglow | small hole in the bottom of the unit |
| 01:44:03 | preglow | you've gotta get something small to stuff in there and press a small button |
| 01:44:07 | dbzdeath | i see it |
| 01:44:09 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:44:10 | preglow | just be careful |
| 01:44:21 | preglow | if you break that button, you have no means to reset it again |
| 01:44:46 | dbzdeath | does that actually reset? |
| 01:44:59 | preglow | yup |
| 01:45:03 | preglow | hard reset |
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| 01:45:04 | dbzdeath | just hold it in? |
| 01:45:09 | preglow | small press will do |
| 01:45:14 | preglow | don't need to hold |
| 01:45:43 | eEye_ | interestediaudio, how do you like your x5? |
| 01:46:07 | preglow | from the nick, i'd guess he's about to set fire to it while yelling "i hate you" |
| 01:46:17 | interestediaudio | Quite a bit, actually. |
| 01:46:29 | dbzdeath | preglow: oh thank you so much! you're a life saver... i have a long road trip to go on right now :) cya |
| 01:46:44 | preglow | dbzdeath: you're welcome |
| 01:46:51 | preglow | dbzdeath: bring the reset thing along with you :) |
| 01:46:59 | dbzdeath | yeah :) |
| 01:47:17 | interestediaudio | Cowon's being a pain in the butt about the firmware updates (hence my interest in Rockbox), but I like the player itself, and the mass-storage is a lifesaver. |
| 01:47:27 | Mikachu | any twig on the ground will do |
| 01:47:35 | eEye_ | interestediaudio, i just got one |
| 01:47:52 | eEye_ | i have a question though, when i have it hooked up through usb is it charging? |
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| 01:48:14 | eEye_ | isnt it supposed to say its charging? and can i transfer files and charge at the same time? |
| 01:49:10 | interestediaudio | eEye_, only when it is off. If it's connected through USB and it says "connected", it's not charging. The best way to tell if it's charging is the light at the top. |
| 01:50:15 | lImbus | I wonder why so many people register with the wiki but do not modify or write a single page... |
| 01:50:29 | interestediaudio | You can transfer files and charge, but not both through USB. If you plug in both the AC adapter and the USB cord, you can charge while transferring. |
| 01:50:48 | eEye_ | ahh ok |
| 01:50:49 | eEye_ | i see |
| 01:50:54 | lImbus | I used the wiki for a while before registering. And I registered the moment I wrote my first article/change |
| 01:51:03 | eEye_ | thanks interestediaudio |
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| 01:51:10 | eEye_ | also, is rockbox working for the x5? |
| 01:51:42 | Mikachu | Paprica: the Paused text isn't cleared from the screen when you unpause in tetrox |
| 01:52:13 | eEye_ | interestiaudio, about the firmware.. which version should I run? |
| 01:52:31 | eEye_ | sorry for all the questions but im new to the x5 |
| 01:52:56 | lImbus | eEye_: everybody is new to the x5 :-) |
| 01:53:39 | eEye_ | how so? ;) |
| 01:54:06 | lImbus | well, it's only a few days that the bootloader is working |
| 01:54:25 | eEye_ | oh |
| 01:54:28 | eEye_ | i see.. you mean with rockbox |
| 01:54:34 | lImbus | yup |
| 01:54:45 | lImbus | and only very few have such a device LinusN and Moos from what I know |
| 01:54:55 | eEye_ | so its fully usable with rockbox now? |
| 01:54:59 | eEye_ | or more needs to be done |
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| 01:55:07 | lImbus | a lot more needs to be done |
| 01:55:10 | eEye_ | ah |
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| 01:55:14 | lImbus | it's not even yet playing music |
| 01:57:29 | Kohlriba | <lImbus> I wonder why so many people register with the wiki but do not modify or write a single page... | people got used to instant-click on registration buttons beacuse of all these mandatory-registration-forums ;) |
| 01:57:57 | lImbus | arf |
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| 01:58:17 | lImbus | I refrain from adding a comment or correcting a fact somewhere when I need to register |
| 01:58:39 | lImbus | (impressive how many people a peeking the log continuosly :-) |
| 01:58:53 | XavierGr | OMG! |
| 01:59:04 | XavierGr | There is a big chance that I won an H115! |
| 01:59:11 | lImbus | really ? |
| 01:59:17 | arf-arf | arf |
| 01:59:23 | interestediaudio | the fw? Well, there's a new korean version out, it's the finalization of the v10. It allows for video resume. |
| 01:59:26 | lImbus | or is it a spam mail saying ? |
| 01:59:31 | XavierGr | yeah on MR. There was a subscriber giveaway contest |
| 01:59:32 | lImbus | congratz then |
| 01:59:42 | XavierGr | thanks! :D |
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| 02:00:13 | interestediaudio | If you want DRM (you shouldn't), there were some 10betas under the English version that worked with drm. |
| 02:00:47 | interestediaudio | BTW: The korean version isn't actually in Korean, it is just the area the firmware has been tailored for. (Koreans don't use Windows Media DRM.) |
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| 02:21:54 | interestediaudio | How long after the iaudio audio driver release will it show up on the main wikipedia? |
| 02:22:02 | interestediaudio | Or-on the iaudio port wikipedia. |
| 02:22:23 | XavierGr | instantly I would say. |
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| 02:22:36 | XavierGr | most of the times when something big happens the wiki is updated |
| 02:23:10 | BHSPitLappy | interestediaudio: there is only -one- wikipedia (wikipedia.org) |
| 02:23:27 | interestediaudio | Sorry. Word slip. Wiki. |
| 02:23:33 | BHSPitLappy | :) |
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| 02:34:44 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: dues your brickmania piezo patch work by itself or does it require applying a piezo patch first? |
| 02:38:28 | Zoide777 | *does |
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| 03:14:00 | SamAdam | hey all |
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| 03:15:30 | SamAdam | ipod, 5g, rockbox bootloader, how do to switch to retal OS? |
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| 03:17:25 | SamAdam | scratch that |
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| 03:30:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone here who has made a wps recently? Specifically, it says that one of the %pb variables is height, but I don't know if that means "how tall" or "y coordinate" |
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| 03:35:22 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: Any luck on getting the next song info to work when the next song is in another dir? |
| 03:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: I think that the current way playlists work prevents that from happening, because when you're playing in directory mode the next song isn't in the current playlist. But don't quote me, I don't know much about that bug. |
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| 03:49:44 | creidiki | one quick question: what should i set the buffer to for max battery life? |
| 03:49:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | creidiki: The anti-skip buffer? |
| 03:50:17 | creidiki | yar |
| 03:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | As low as you can. |
| 03:50:50 | creidiki | k, thought as much, thnx :) |
| 03:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | As far as I know, the anti-skip buffer level sets the point at which it spins up the HD to refill the compressed audio buffer. The lower you set it, the later it waits before spinning up, and the less often it needs to refill |
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| 03:54:22 | carini | echo //$prefix |
| 03:54:30 | carini | oops |
| 03:55:19 | enzyme | i need help loading themes on my ipod |
| 03:55:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: What problem are you having? |
| 03:55:52 | enzyme | the wps files are not loading |
| 03:55:56 | enzyme | i have the 5g |
| 03:56:17 | carini | echo //$snicks |
| 03:56:22 | carini | damn! |
| 03:56:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The .wps files and the bitmap folders that share their names are in the /.rockbox/wps folder, and the .cfg files are in /.rockbox/themes? |
| 03:57:13 | enzyme | yup |
| 03:57:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it give an error message? |
| 03:57:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does the theme change at all? |
| 03:58:06 | enzyme | it says it loads it on but nothing changes |
| 03:58:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: No font changes, and when you play music the screen isn't any different? |
| 03:59:29 | enzyme | ok thnks fixed it |
| 03:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | What was wrong? |
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| 04:01:08 | enzyme | how come the backdrop doesnt go through out all of the menues |
| 04:01:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which menus isn't it in? |
| 04:01:43 | enzyme | it only works on the play screen |
| 04:01:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, then they've only set a WPS backdrop |
| 04:02:01 | enzyme | but i had one that had the same back drop on all of the menu settings |
| 04:02:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can set a WPS backdrop and a Menu backdrop separately in a theme |
| 04:02:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | The menu backdrop .bmp needs to be in the /.rockbox/backdrops folder |
| 04:03:00 | enzyme | ok |
| 04:03:03 | enzyme | thnks |
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| 04:21:17 | carini | What's the best way to get a patch committed? |
| 04:21:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Write the patch, submit it to the tracker, then come in here and see if there's any devs who are willing to let you know if they see anything wrong with it. |
| 04:22:09 | carini | OK, I've done the first two parts. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4913 |
| 04:22:32 | carini | Also http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4905, which was useful for testing 4913. |
| 04:23:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, well now you'd have to wait for someone with commit access to be around and ask them what they think |
| 04:23:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, I think most of them aren't here right now |
| 04:24:41 | carini | OK, thanks for the help. Are there times when committers are more likely to be here? |
| 04:25:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it differs for each of them, but a lot of them are in various parts of Europe. |
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| 04:35:21 | biffhero | ok, rockbox rocks |
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| 04:38:54 | biffhero | they come, they go, but they say nary a word. |
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| 04:46:51 | biffhero | does anyone know the proper settings for the battery size for the 5G 60G ipod? |
| 04:47:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | You mean the capacity in the menu? That's pretty much irrelevant at the moment, since the approximated time remaining is pretty incorrect for the time being. |
| 04:47:38 | biffhero | ok |
| 04:47:41 | biffhero | thx |
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| 04:54:51 | carini | Any devs around that can take a quick look at a patch? |
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| 05:12:31 | tkprojects | anyone know wafro or how I can get in tocuh with him |
| 05:12:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've honestly never even seen someone by that name in here |
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| 05:22:07 | biffhero | is the libitunesdb software gpl? I was going to muck about with it, but I am confused by the COPYING file |
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| 05:23:14 | enzyme | is there a way for music to stop skipping yet |
| 05:23:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: It's been talked about a *lot* on the forums. Disable the peakmeter, use simple WPSes with no graphics, and/or turn off the equalizer |
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| 05:24:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Can you link me to a copy of it somewhere? |
| 05:25:07 | enzyme | where isd the peakmeter found |
| 05:25:08 | biffhero | yes, I saw it mentioned in the wiki on the page about ipods, they mentioned that libitunesdb was used by (some other project) |
| 05:25:09 | biffhero | http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/libitunesdb/libitunesdb_0.5.2.tar.gz |
| 05:25:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: The %pm line in any given WPS |
| 05:26:43 | biffhero | Paul, here you go... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodHardwareInfo at the bottom of the page.... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualWpsContextMenu and their page links to that earlier link I pasted |
| 05:28:15 | biffhero | COPYING is pretty liberal, but I don't want to use something that will make my contributions (pretty low chance of any anyway...) null. |
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| 05:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Well, that's definitely not the GPL. Or were you asking if it's GPL compatible? I dunno, but since it says acknowledgement must be given in the docs 'n such, I think that's an advertising clause |
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| 05:30:00 | biffhero | hrmm.. but it is used by podzilla, need to look at the license for _that_ |
| 05:30:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'm hardly an expert in these things. |
| 05:31:08 | biffhero | COPYING in pz2 is GPL |
| 05:31:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a very liberal license, but my gut says it won't work. I dunno. |
| 05:31:45 | XavierGr | I just can't believe how life can be so strange!!!! |
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| 05:32:57 | XavierGr | My new H300 came from a second RMA today. (after it wasn't fixed) It appeared to be OK at first but then It broke again.... |
| 05:34:37 | XavierGr | While, I was just cursing my f*cking luck with this damn unit, I learned that I won a MR subscriber giveaway contest! (prize iHp115) |
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| 05:37:36 | XavierGr | Before I learn the outcome of the contest, I was desperate and made an open surgerry of my defective H300. |
| 05:38:30 | XavierGr | Took my soldering iron and I was re-solding random joints. At some point I finally managed to fix it..... though time will tell for how long!!!! |
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| 06:04:17 | biffhero | XavierGr, what was with the soldering? Were they randomly defective? |
| 06:04:44 | XavierGr | I am not sure. I just had USB OTG problems from the start. |
| 06:04:51 | biffhero | ick |
| 06:05:15 | XavierGr | I sent it there and they didn't fix it. I sent it again, and they fix it only to see the failure again after a few tries |
| 06:05:41 | XavierGr | I just couldn't stand it and took the law on my hands :D |
| 06:05:58 | XavierGr | But I am not sure if this will going to last either. |
| 06:09:53 | biffhero | paul, I agree. I think I should wait until I hear more from the people in charge of such things. The interesting-est part to me is how his README says he got the info from a certain file in the gtkpod project. and the gtkpod project _is_ gpl |
| 06:10:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 06:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd that |
| 06:13:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd had forgotten just how flexible TI-BASIC really was. |
| 06:13:36 | biffhero | I hold down _menu_ while plugging in the iPod, and the battery icon shows charging activity, that's good. but is it safe to mount the drives and copy files to it? |
| 06:13:43 | biffhero | what are you using TI-BASIC for? |
| 06:15:09 | biffhero | what is party mode? |
| 06:21:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: You shouldn't be able to mount it while in Rockbox. |
| 06:21:30 | biffhero | oh, that's right, the whole "disk mode" thing. |
| 06:21:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, Party Mode is basically a mode that, while enabled, removes your ability to stop music (both accidentally and intentionally) |
| 06:22:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for TI-BASIC, I finally replaced my long gone '89, and I'm reacquainting myself before I start rebuilding my various tools |
| 06:22:41 | biffhero | engineering school? |
| 06:24:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a variety of things. Personal use, gaming of various sorts. As a way to quickly test out algorithms and/or jot them down for actual use later when a computer's not at hand |
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| 06:46:59 | biffhero | I am trying to compile from CVS. I chose 15 (iPod video), what build type to I pick? I chose Normal, but that didn't barf about not finding an arm compiler |
| 06:48:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, what happens when you type arm-elf-gcc −−version? |
| 06:49:34 | biffhero | arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 |
| 06:50:18 | biffhero | I am an idiot. must go to bed now. it was using that one. I saw elf, and parsed x86 |
| 06:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should be using 4.0.x anyway |
| 06:50:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | For arm, 3.4.x generates bad code sometimes. |
| 06:51:19 | biffhero | uh, oh |
| 06:52:17 | biffhero | this arm is from the ipodlinux group. which arm-elf-gcc ... /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools2/bin/arm-elf-gcc |
| 06:53:04 | biffhero | good news is gcc −−version.... gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9) so I shold be able to apt-get the right one |
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| 06:53:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for the purposes of rockbox, arm-elf-gcc 4.0.x is the expected. |
| 06:53:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3.4.x could work, but it didn't work properly for the bootloader at least, at an earlier stage. |
| 06:55:54 | biffhero | so 'make zip' is what I want, right? |
| 06:56:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | make, then make zip |
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| 06:56:45 | biffhero | ick, dies |
| 06:56:59 | biffhero | make zip ... xargs: zip: No such file or directory |
| 06:57:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | apt-get install zip might help with that |
| 06:57:32 | biffhero | um, this is odd |
| 06:57:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | hm? |
| 06:57:44 | biffhero | of course, doh! |
| 06:58:16 | biffhero | yeah, because I don't want to make gzip.... |
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| 06:58:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | well, I believe there's make bzip, make gzip and make 7zip alternatives |
| 06:59:07 | biffhero | thanks for your patience |
| 06:59:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | no problem |
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| 07:35:35 | bam_ | morning |
| 07:36:29 | bam_ | anyone know why when I turn off the replaygain, the volume doesnt resume back to "normal" |
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| 07:46:47 | bam_ | bbl |
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| 08:03:56 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 08:04:38 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
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| 08:36:39 | bam_ | morning |
| 08:37:18 | bam_ | back to my question, why isnt my volume resuming to normal after unselecting replaygain? |
| 08:37:23 | bam_ | any ideas? |
| 08:39:47 | ashridah | mid-playback? can't it only be reset at the start of playback? |
| 08:42:09 | bam_ | tried rebooting as well |
| 08:42:14 | bam_ | no-change |
| 08:42:52 | bam_ | also isnt when you press the stop button then press the play button>>isnt it supposed to start playing? |
| 08:44:03 | ashridah | sounds like a bug then. guess you'll need to wake up a dev :/ |
| 08:44:13 | ashridah | yes |
| 08:44:16 | ashridah | that's right |
| 08:44:36 | bam_ | whuts right? |
| 08:44:47 | bam_ | the play/stop dealie? |
| 08:44:58 | ashridah | you're right, it's supposed to start playing again |
| 08:45:00 | bam_ | or the replaygain |
| 08:45:33 | bam_ | well its not I have to press play 2 more time to get it to play...:( |
| 08:45:56 | ashridah | hm. wait. how recent is your compile of rockbox? |
| 08:46:07 | bam_ | the newest |
| 08:46:27 | bam_ | daily build |
| 08:46:55 | ashridah | okay, they recently added an option to have the unit ignore the first button press that has to turn the backlight back on |
| 08:47:13 | ashridah | it's supposed to be a config option i think |
| 08:47:26 | bam_ | lemme check that theory |
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| 08:49:48 | bam_ | nope doesnt work as planned |
| 08:53:01 | bam_ | and replaygain, once turned on cant turn it off.... |
| 08:54:39 | bam_ | other than those 2 minor issues, great work dev's |
| 08:54:43 | bam_ | :) |
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| 08:55:31 | bam_ | oh quick, one more question, how do I browse the tag database once created? |
| 08:57:04 | ashridah | assuming it's working, you change the 'show files' option under 'general settings->file view->show files' to ID3 database |
| 08:58:52 | bam_ | ohh...cool |
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| 09:02:19 | ashridah | although keep in mind that the tagdb as it currently stands has been stagnating for a while, mostly because a dynamic tag db is eventually going to replace it. |
| 09:03:58 | bam_ | oh, didnt know |
| 09:04:09 | ashridah | it's been in the works for a while |
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| 09:04:37 | ashridah | tagdb as it stands may or may not work perfectly, but if it doesn't, it's mostly because no-one wants to waste time working on something that'll be replaced |
| 09:05:06 | bam_ | agree |
| 09:05:16 | bam_ | doesnt work too well |
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| 09:07:45 | bam_ | hey is there a way to set the default playlist directory(whenever creating playlists)? |
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| 10:12:09 | JdGordon | evenig all |
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| 10:35:39 | amiconn | hmm. I have to say I'm really impressed by the documentation effort. |
| 10:36:28 | amiconn | However, there's still a lot of work left to do on the manual |
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| 10:37:33 | JdGordon | is the manual being built automatically yet? |
| 10:37:42 | tucoz | JdGordon, no I think not |
| 10:38:03 | amiconn | I just checked a build of the recorder manual. |
| 10:38:33 | amiconn | Some parts are still generic and need to be made target-specific |
| 10:39:09 | tucoz | amiconn, yes. I know. I see if I can get some parts done today |
| 10:39:23 | amiconn | Then there are plugins documented which are no longer shipped, and for some existing plugins the button documentation isn't always correct |
| 10:39:49 | amiconn | e.g. helloworld and grayscale can be removed |
| 10:40:22 | amiconn | I guess even the Plugin* wiki pages aren't always correct |
| 10:41:18 | tucoz | amiconn, I think nls will remove those |
| 10:42:22 | Slasheri | hmm, just got my concept code of the sorting for chunked tagcache browsing ready :) still some functions needs to be tested and code debugged |
| 10:42:33 | Slasheri | should be ready for commit before the feature freeze |
| 10:43:05 | Moos | Hooray \o/ |
| 10:43:14 | Moos | :-) Hi Slasheri btw |
| 10:43:19 | Slasheri | hi :) |
| 10:44:08 | webguest84 | Good thing the manual has the whole freeze period to get up to date |
| 10:44:13 | webguest84 | and catch up |
| 10:44:24 | webguest84 | which is the same as getting up to date, silly me |
| 10:44:56 | tucoz | amiconn, we just recently got the key-macros in cvs to be used for button documentation |
| 10:45:04 | webguest84 | Why might fclose cause a segfault? (not rockbox related, just thought someone might know) |
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| 10:45:19 | JdGordon | if the file is null? |
| 10:45:30 | webguest84 | I check that when I open. |
| 10:45:43 | ashridah | or it's called against a FILE * that was never initialized to begin with |
| 10:46:22 | tucoz | That is why the buttons in a lot of places have wrong names. |
| 10:46:30 | webguest84 | Guess I need to simplify my code to see what's going on. |
| 10:52:16 | tucoz | which wiki page do you suggest I use as a template for iriver install instructions? |
| 10:54:31 | JdGordon | iriverboot ? |
| 10:54:43 | JdGordon | or iriverinstall i mean |
| 10:55:19 | tucoz | ok, thanks |
| 10:57:00 | * | JdGordon is bored |
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| 11:04:59 | * | webguest84 is in malloc hell |
| 11:05:50 | ashridah | you know, i've never found keeping malloc/free straight to be a major issue |
| 11:06:30 | ashridah | i mean, i know they can be, and if i was working on larger works, it probably would be, but it just seems easier than everyone makes out ;) |
| 11:06:57 | webguest84 | That's not it. I have a completely unrelated call to malloc somewhere that apparently makes my later fclose() call segfault. |
| 11:07:06 | webguest84 | And it's driving me absolutely nuts |
| 11:07:20 | ashridah | ah, it's probably the free() fclose does |
| 11:07:58 | ashridah | i've had this. you're probably malloc()ing some amount that's too small |
| 11:08:39 | ashridah | it can be a royal pain to track down tho |
| 11:08:46 | webguest84 | Absolutely |
| 11:09:01 | webguest84 | oh well, at least it's not a huge thing |
| 11:09:08 | ashridah | i can suggest trying valgrind |
| 11:09:32 | ashridah | it may help tracking down the issue, but it depends exactly how it's occuring |
| 11:11:15 | safetydan | preglow, is gui code really that bad? |
| 11:11:50 | JdGordon | safetydan: for rb? its not bad, for windows it fucking sux! |
| 11:12:04 | * | ashridah huggles libglade |
| 11:12:10 | safetydan | nah, preglow just seems to have an aversion to writing anything gui related :) |
| 11:12:12 | ashridah | sif do gui in code. |
| 11:12:53 | safetydan | ashridah, I await your port of libglade to rockbox :) |
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| 11:13:16 | ashridah | i think rockbox can live without an XML parser |
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| 11:14:33 | ashridah | but a completely scripted user interface wouldn't necessarily be bad. it'd potentially give rockbox some fairly extreme levels of theming. it'd also be a royal bitch to cram into some architectures like archos, i'd imgine |
| 11:14:46 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Are you planning on moving your plugin audio menu to the plugin lib? |
| 11:15:04 | JdGordon | my friends are fucking wierdos.. we r going for a hike out in the country! (its 9.15pm here, and we aint leaving for 20min) |
| 11:15:09 | JdGordon | whats needs to change? |
| 11:16:24 | linuxstb | I don't know what others think, but LinusN wanted it moved from the core to the plugin lib. |
| 11:16:59 | JdGordon | i dont really see the diff.. but ok.. what needs to change in the code? |
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| 11:17:28 | safetydan | JdGordon, plugin lib code isn't included in the core so less memory is used when a plugin isn't running |
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| 11:18:19 | t0mas | safetydan: the plugin buffer is fixed size isn't it? |
| 11:18:29 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Your new functions need to be in a file in apps/plugins/lib/, which plugins can use directly, rather than via the rb-> API. |
| 11:18:33 | t0mas | so what do you mean bij "less memory is used when a plugin isn't running" ? |
| 11:18:58 | tucoz | I came to think of a useful addition to a plugin menu. Add control of the backlight to the plugins |
| 11:19:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: and all the functions need to use their rb-> equivilant in my code htne? |
| 11:19:26 | JdGordon | then*? |
| 11:19:48 | amiconn | t0mas: It means that the code (and associated data) doesn't reside in the core, so the core needs less memory and the binary gets smaller |
| 11:19:59 | safetydan | t0mas, what amiconn said :) |
| 11:20:01 | t0mas | ooh ok, good for archos |
| 11:20:21 | amiconn | plugin binaries using the new functions get larger, but that doesn't matter as long as they still fit into the plugin buffer, |
| 11:20:23 | safetydan | and other targets too, more memory for file buffering is always good |
| 11:20:23 | t0mas | I was thinking I missed some mem management ;) |
| 11:20:29 | amiconn | which, as you said, has a fixed size |
| 11:20:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the only thing about moving it is we loose lang support untill langv2.. so whos that coming along? |
| 11:20:44 | t0mas | safetydan: no, not more memovery for buffering |
| 11:20:51 | t0mas | that's what I tried to ask/explain |
| 11:21:07 | JdGordon | .. why isnt lang suport availble to pugins anyway? |
| 11:21:13 | safetydan | t0mas, if the rockbox image is smaller, there is more memory available...? |
| 11:21:21 | tucoz | JdGordon, that is a langv2 feature I think |
| 11:21:23 | t0mas | oh wait... |
| 11:21:31 | t0mas | ignore me... I'm just out of bed ;) |
| 11:21:36 | safetydan | :) |
| 11:21:53 | safetydan | JdGordon, langv2 is checked in as far as I know, someone just needs to extend it to the plugins |
| 11:22:04 | JdGordon | nice :) |
| 11:22:06 | amiconn | langv2 isn't used yet |
| 11:22:24 | safetydan | ah, so it's not hooked up yet? |
| 11:22:26 | t0mas | brb |
| 11:22:34 | amiconn | The scripts for handling it are in, but the build system doesn't use it yet |
| 11:22:49 | amiconn | There's some work left before this can be done |
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| 11:26:25 | JdGordon | hmm... moving it to plugin lib is gonna bloat out the plugin size more than the exe size... coz i need to duplicate funcions which are in the core code... |
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| 11:27:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: Which ones? |
| 11:27:24 | JdGordon | playlist viewer and searcher... checkng which other ones |
| 11:27:30 | amiconn | Usually you don't have to reimplement core functions. Just call them via the plugin api |
| 11:27:34 | JdGordon | (admitedly, they dont really need to be there..) |
| 11:28:39 | JdGordon | .. well i could just add those 2 functions to the api.. |
| 11:30:03 | JdGordon | what other functions are wanted in the menu? atm its got play/pause, prev/next/stop, volume, shuffle, repeat mode, search and view playlist... |
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| 11:32:24 | amiconn | I don't think we really need playlist access in a plugin menu |
| 11:32:42 | JdGordon | its nice to have.. |
| 11:32:48 | JdGordon | but ye, not nescacery |
| 11:33:06 | safetydan | amiconn, what work is needed for langv2? I've got some time at the moment. |
| 11:33:09 | amiconn | Well, I'm either using a plugin, or using fancy playback stuff |
| 11:33:24 | amiconn | safetydan: First, me finishing .lang rework |
| 11:34:00 | amiconn | Then, converting all .lang to v2, and adapting the voice generation script to understand .lang v2 format |
| 11:35:08 | safetydan | right, so we're dependant on the .lang rework then |
| 11:35:19 | amiconn | The latter isn't straightforward, as the language script itself are written in perl, and the voice generation script is a vbscript |
| 11:35:33 | amiconn | (due to the fact that it has to work with SAPI) |
| 11:35:45 | amiconn | yepp :( |
| 11:36:45 | webguest84 | ashridah: Nailed it. I had forgot to malloc some space for the struct in which I was mallocing.. soooo.. that didn't work out too well.. |
| 11:37:01 | webguest84 | Using a pointer that points nowhere isn't a good idea, it turns out |
| 11:37:13 | webguest84 | or rather, nowhere special |
| 11:37:55 | webguest84 | who knew |
| 11:38:49 | amiconn | safetydan: Unfortunately people keep adding and adding to english.lang. That doesn't make my rework easier ;/ |
| 11:40:22 | JdGordon | is langv2 gonne be neater? i.e let u add in the middle of the file? |
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| 11:40:29 | amiconn | nope |
| 11:40:48 | amiconn | That would still break backwards compatibility |
| 11:40:48 | webguest84 | How is that better? |
| 11:40:54 | JdGordon | oh well.. |
| 11:40:56 | amiconn | langv2 has 2 main points |
| 11:41:38 | amiconn | (1) Strings not necessary for a specific target can be blanked (note: blanked, not left out) so they just waste 1 byte |
| 11:42:08 | amiconn | That's because that feature might get implemented later, so the string id has to stay |
| 11:43:19 | JdGordon | .. and 2 ? |
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| 11:43:31 | amiconn | (2) It will allow to localise plugins. That's not included in the first step of transition though |
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| 11:44:00 | amiconn | (1) also applies to voice files, where the savings are considerably higher |
| 11:44:13 | JdGordon | as long as it fixes the "press play for yes" problem on the h300 im happy :D |
| 11:44:19 | amiconn | It will |
| 11:44:29 | amiconn | There'll be a generic LANG_ACCEPT |
| 11:44:51 | amiconn | ..which will be set to PLAY for archos recorders, RIGHT for Ondios, NAVI for H300 etc |
| 11:45:18 | amiconn | That's why we want langv2 in 3.0 |
| 11:45:55 | JdGordon | thats notthe only problem... it will let u have different strings for different targets using the same string id ye? |
| 11:46:35 | amiconn | yep |
| 11:46:47 | JdGordon | ok :) u just confused me a bit there... |
| 11:46:57 | amiconn | My (1) didn't cover everything. |
| 11:47:15 | JdGordon | anyway, ill have a patch for the playlist control plugin lib tomorow probably.. |
| 11:47:15 | amiconn | It actually means you can have different strings per target for the same id |
| 11:47:28 | amiconn | ...which of course includes empty strings |
| 11:47:57 | amiconn | This'll also help the player, and get rid of the extra _PLAYER ids |
| 11:48:10 | amiconn | The player needs extremely short strings in some places |
| 11:48:14 | tucoz | JdGordon, do you think a backlight control would be useful in the plugin lib as well? |
| 11:48:22 | tucoz | *don't you |
| 11:48:31 | JdGordon | tucoz: u mean the backlight timeout? |
| 11:48:38 | tucoz | JdGordon, yes |
| 11:48:57 | tucoz | Or maybe disable the timeout from a plugin |
| 11:49:06 | JdGordon | hmm.. maybe... |
| 11:49:24 | tucoz | Like when using the text-viewer, or playing chess in the dark |
| 11:49:29 | JdGordon | or, perhaps a better way would be to disable the timeout from a global setting in the core? |
| 11:50:20 | tucoz | like, but that wouldn't always be needed. On players where it is possible to read the screen without backlight. |
| 11:50:38 | JdGordon | then they wouldnt set the option to disable it in plugins.. |
| 11:51:19 | JdGordon | gtg |
| 11:51:22 | tucoz | ok |
| 11:51:57 | amiconn | Some plugins already disable the timeout |
| 11:52:36 | Nico_P | i'm going to set up a new build environment and i wanted to know : is vmware faster then colinux ? |
| 11:52:45 | Nico_P | than |
| 11:53:07 | tucoz | I think that should be controlled by the user from the plugin. On the h1xx it is not usefull to disable the timeout it is light in the room. |
| 11:53:15 | tucoz | s/usefull/needed |
| 11:53:17 | ashridah | i'd say colinux would be faster than vmware |
| 11:53:26 | ashridah | it shouldnt' be doign the whole virtual hardware bit |
| 11:54:04 | Nico_P | and it doesn't have the boot time, so basically it's better ? |
| 11:54:45 | Cassandra | AFAIK the clock plugin already does backlight control. |
| 11:54:52 | Cassandra | You might want to have a look at that. |
| 11:55:14 | amiconn | Well, if colinux uses a file to simulate a hd for the linux environment, I'd expect it to run at the same speed as vmware |
| 11:55:46 | amiconn | If, however, colinux accesses the windows filesystem, it will be way slower |
| 11:56:18 | amiconn | Same thing happens if you're using the vmware shared folder feature to access the windows fs, or using interix |
| 11:56:45 | amiconn | I'm almost sure the cygwin slowness is caused by the windows filesystem as well |
| 11:57:19 | tucoz | Cassandra, I just wanted to know if others would find that a useful addition to 'standard' plugin menu |
| 11:57:22 | amiconn | Cassandra: clock.rock, video.rock, oscilloscope.rock and probably others override the backlight timeout |
| 11:57:29 | Cassandra | And everyone claimed NTFS was so wonderful. |
| 11:57:49 | amiconn | Cassandra: It's not NTFS. Same thing happens on FAT32 |
| 11:58:09 | amiconn | ...and I guess it's not the filesystem itself |
| 11:58:43 | tucoz | I don't think that should be up to the plugin, I think such a menu (playback, backlight) should be available from within all plugins |
| 11:59:39 | amiconn | Not all plugins need/can have all items |
| 11:59:48 | amiconn | This might get messy... |
| 11:59:56 | tucoz | amiconn, right. hmm, that is true. |
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| 12:00:12 | Cassandra | amiconn, so the low level IDE drivers just suck? Or is it an architectural problem? |
| 12:00:38 | amiconn | I suspect there's some strange overhead in opening/closing files |
| 12:00:46 | amiconn | ...in windows |
| 12:00:48 | Cassandra | Also, what key combo would you bind it to? |
| 12:01:11 | Cassandra | Windows does seem to thrash disk a hell of a lot more than Linux. |
| 12:01:21 | amiconn | Since, if you're using vmware, the virtual disk is (usually) a file on a windows partition, but it isn't slow at all |
| 12:01:22 | Cassandra | I'd always assumed it was a virus scanner thing. |
| 12:01:36 | amiconn | Probably because it's *one* file that is opened all the time |
| 12:02:18 | amiconn | Well, cygwin is slow even with no virus scanner installed, so that can't be the (only) culprit |
| 12:02:40 | Cassandra | I suppose it's possible Vista won't suck as much. |
| 12:02:54 | Cassandra | But given what people in MS seem to be saying about it, it doesn't seem likely. |
| 12:02:57 | Nico_P | what would you recommend me between vmware and colinux ? |
| 12:03:20 | ashridah | colinux, it being free and all |
| 12:03:35 | amiconn | I would prefer vmware, since then you can use a linux distro of your choice |
| 12:03:40 | ashridah | (unless someone's distributing a vmware image that can be used with the player) |
| 12:04:00 | amiconn | ashridah: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 12:04:05 | ashridah | amiconn: colinux works with any distro, although they'll require some modifications |
| 12:04:07 | ashridah | amiconn: gotchya |
| 12:04:16 | * | ashridah hasn't been keeping up with the ml |
| 12:04:30 | Cassandra | ashridah: You mean like http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 12:05:03 | ashridah | i'd use colinux if only to avoid the complete emulation of the PC platform |
| 12:05:07 | ashridah | colinux cheats a good deal |
| 12:05:22 | safetydan | something is definitely up with playback at the moment |
| 12:05:42 | safetydan | play a track and skip back and the wps says "Paused" but the system has locked up |
| 12:05:49 | ashridah | but vmware'd be easier to setup, i daresay |
| 12:05:49 | Cassandra | You mean something more than usual? swcodec's never really worked right. |
| 12:06:47 | safetydan | Cassandra, well it's been reasonably reliable until recently (i.e. past 48 hours) |
| 12:07:04 | safetydan | hrm, simulator playback still works okay with the same test |
| 12:07:11 | Cassandra | Speak to lostlogic. I think he's been hacking at it. |
| 12:07:27 | safetydan | yup |
| 12:08:00 | amiconn | For me, swcodec was stable only as long as I just let it play |
| 12:10:01 | safetydan | I40:PDIR1FULL |
| 12:10:05 | safetydan | at 00000001 |
| 12:10:09 | tucoz | safetydan, there is a report on the dev-ml as well |
| 12:10:11 | safetydan | that doesn't look useful |
| 12:10:17 | safetydan | tucoz, yeah, just trying to reproduce it |
| 12:10:17 | tucoz | from gl :) |
| 12:10:22 | tucoz | I see. |
| 12:10:53 | safetydan | I suspect it's the signedness fixes that went in recently |
| 12:11:34 | tucoz | Have you experienced the usb problem as well? |
| 12:12:17 | tucoz | I don't think I have, but I think the player is usually not playing when I connect it to usb |
| 12:12:19 | safetydan | tucoz, what usb problem? |
| 12:12:27 | tucoz | there is a bugreport |
| 12:12:40 | tucoz | The os doesn't notice the player |
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| 12:14:00 | safetydan | tucoz, seems to work okay here when I connect the USB cable while something's playing |
| 12:14:37 | tucoz | Maybe it's just XP then |
| 12:15:44 | safetydan | I can't see how since USB is hardware controlled |
| 12:16:32 | tucoz | gtg, see you |
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| 12:16:39 | preglow | safetydan: just it incredibly boring for some reason |
| 12:16:50 | preglow | we need glade for rockbox |
| 12:16:50 | preglow | heh |
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| 12:18:52 | safetydan | rarrr... I don't even know where to begin debugging this playback issue |
| 12:19:45 | Nico_P | safetydan: playback.c :p |
| 12:20:08 | webguest84 | maybe better to ask lostlogic? |
| 12:20:09 | safetydan | ha |
| 12:20:23 | safetydan | webguest84, probably, but I might as well have a go as well |
| 12:20:42 | Nico_P | and i suggest you look around where lostlogic made some changes recently |
| 12:20:44 | safetydan | Hrmm... "processor data in 1 full"... what does that even mean? |
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| 12:32:42 | preglow | shower sounds nice |
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| 12:35:09 | Mikachu | i was confused by the sleep timer setting, it only says 00:15 or such, i wasn't sure if it was minutes:seconds or hours:minutes |
| 12:35:20 | safetydan | Mikachu, yeah it's hours:minutes |
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| 12:36:02 | Mikachu | hm, looks like someone was i bit tired when they wrote this code too, minutes = value - (hours * 60); |
| 12:36:16 | Mikachu | wouldn't that be the same as minutes = value % 60; ? |
| 12:36:58 | safetydan | should be, I was just cutting and pasting from the old sleep timer code |
| 12:41:05 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes, but the % is slower |
| 12:41:18 | amiconn | (not that it matters when only used in settings and stuff) |
| 12:41:20 | Mikachu | i always thought % was pretty fast |
| 12:41:36 | amiconn | % and / both require division |
| 12:42:09 | safetydan | hrmm... nothing's leaping out at me as a bug in the recent changes to playback... unless there's a -1 still in there and the buffer pointer is wrapping |
| 12:42:10 | amiconn | (unless % is used with a power-of-2-constant) |
| 12:42:17 | Mikachu | right, this is a special case since we already did a divide for hours |
| 12:42:31 | * | safetydan summons lostlogic |
| 12:43:44 | preglow | amiconn: mno, it's a separate operation on coldfire |
| 12:43:52 | preglow | amiconn: unless you're doing 16 bit division |
| 12:44:01 | preglow | in which case you get the mod for free |
| 12:44:01 | amiconn | Yes, but it's essentially a division operation |
| 12:44:05 | preglow | yeah, sure |
| 12:44:08 | preglow | slow as hell |
| 12:44:19 | amiconn | ...and what about arm? ;) |
| 12:44:22 | preglow | haha |
| 12:44:24 | preglow | poor little arm |
| 12:44:26 | preglow | no divider |
| 12:44:41 | preglow | i bet the 64 bit divides i do are _really_ fast on arm |
| 12:44:49 | preglow | amiconn: go code me a 64 bit divide in asm! |
| 12:45:08 | amiconn | urgs |
| 12:45:27 | safetydan | preglow, since we have high-precision sin() now, where's my eq graph? :) |
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| 12:48:46 | preglow | safetydan: i discovered the high precision sin isn't all i need |
| 12:48:59 | preglow | safetydan: basically, 32 bit divides aren't high precision enough for me |
| 12:49:05 | preglow | i mean 64 bit |
| 12:49:09 | preglow | but i think i've got a solution |
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| 12:49:35 | preglow | i can just shift either the dividend or divisor a bit up, depending on who of them is really small |
| 12:49:46 | preglow | i never promised the eq grapher would be fast anyway :-) |
| 12:50:35 | preglow | but i'm quite bogged with real work now |
| 12:50:36 | preglow | so it'll have to wait |
| 12:51:05 | safetydan | cool, it's not like it's on the release plan :) |
| 12:51:37 | preglow | i've learnt qutie a bit about fixed point from doing the eq and related stuff, but i'm still not clear on a number of things |
| 12:51:41 | preglow | quite too |
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| 12:52:20 | safetydan | it's been a learning experience all round... I was only really intending to work on gui stuff :) |
| 12:52:36 | preglow | heh |
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| 12:52:42 | preglow | learning stuff is fun (and good) anyway |
| 12:52:45 | preglow | so it's all good |
| 12:53:28 | Mikachu | preglow: here's a funny plugin for you |
| 12:53:41 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/beeper.c |
| 12:53:47 | Mikachu | wrote in less than 2 minutes :) |
| 12:54:00 | preglow | hahah |
| 12:54:11 | Mikachu | oh right, you would need the absolute patch applied too |
| 12:54:25 | preglow | it'll beep with a freq decided by the wheel? :PPP |
| 12:54:28 | preglow | piezo synth |
| 12:54:29 | preglow | haha |
| 12:54:30 | Mikachu | yes |
| 12:54:34 | Mikachu | i just played a little tune |
| 12:54:38 | preglow | ahahah |
| 12:54:38 | preglow | i love that |
| 12:54:40 | preglow | ipod theremin |
| 12:55:07 | Mikachu | why is the screen green when i don't do anything to it? |
| 12:57:34 | preglow | shruggety shrug shrug |
| 12:58:55 | Mikachu | not exactly a linear scale of notes |
| 12:59:57 | preglow | that can be fixed quite easily |
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| 13:00:08 | preglow | the period doubles for each octave |
| 13:00:20 | preglow | or halves, if you count them upwards :> |
| 13:00:40 | preglow | nice little opportunity for some fixed point magic, this! |
| 13:01:36 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 13:02:03 | dpro | :) |
| 13:02:22 | dpro | 8.17579891564 * exp(.0577622650 * n) // n is midi notenr ... |
| 13:02:46 | Mikachu | heh |
| 13:02:53 | Mikachu | that'll work if i just copy it |
| 13:03:02 | dpro | I guess |
| 13:04:09 | Mikachu | i can just have a table, it's only 96 values |
| 13:04:26 | Mikachu | but you probably don't want to go up a halftone every value :) |
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| 13:05:42 | dpro | actually that would even be a nice idea for the blind/usability stuff discussed here last night - why not have a c major scale when scrolling through menus ... |
| 13:06:38 | Mikachu | so 'sound settings' would always be an E for example? i think taht might be good too |
| 13:06:57 | dpro | yeah sth. like that |
| 13:07:25 | Mikachu | oops |
| 13:07:29 | Mikachu | i forgot yield() :P |
| 13:07:36 | dpro | hehe |
| 13:07:47 | Mikachu | can't expect perfection on the first compile |
| 13:07:52 | webguest84 | wow, that'd probably be pretty nice |
| 13:08:35 | webguest84 | so "first element in menu is c, next is a d, etc" |
| 13:09:01 | dpro | webguest84: yup that's what I was thinking .. |
| 13:09:38 | dpro | and it's trivial enough to just implement and add a little en/disable switch to the settings |
| 13:10:24 | webguest84 | might even be possible to implement for with the beep function in case you lose your voice file |
| 13:11:51 | * | preglow hater matrix inversion |
| 13:11:58 | preglow | hates, even |
| 13:12:10 | Mikachu | most funnest thing ever |
| 13:12:16 | * | Mikachu has a course in Matrix Theory now |
| 13:15:54 | Mikachu | preglow: i'm having no luck with rb->backlight_set_timeout(0); |
| 13:15:58 | Mikachu | it stays on anyway |
| 13:16:54 | amiconn | 0 would be always off |
| 13:16:59 | amiconn | 1 would be always on |
| 13:17:04 | Mikachu | that's what i wolud think, but it doesn't work |
| 13:17:10 | amiconn | the parameter is an index, not a direct value |
| 13:17:19 | webguest84 | Does it work if you set it in the settings? |
| 13:17:25 | Mikachu | no |
| 13:17:31 | Mikachu | Off and On both make it permanently on |
| 13:17:37 | amiconn | Always off is broken on iPod afaik |
| 13:17:47 | amiconn | Dunno why |
| 13:17:50 | Mikachu | ah |
| 13:18:07 | webguest84 | Strange bug |
| 13:19:05 | Mikachu | i'll use 1 second then |
| 13:19:19 | preglow | ahh, right |
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| 13:19:49 | preglow | how do i set it always on? |
| 13:20:05 | preglow | right |
| 13:20:06 | preglow | found it |
| 13:20:12 | Mikachu | backlight_set_timeout(1) is always on |
| 13:20:13 | preglow | always on seems to work |
| 13:20:16 | preglow | always off doesn't... |
| 13:20:18 | Mikachu | 0 should be off but it is also always on |
| 13:21:36 | Mikachu | wow |
| 13:21:43 | Mikachu | it beeps before i even touch the wheel sometimes |
| 13:23:26 | Mikachu | hm, got the instashutoff thing again |
| 13:24:18 | preglow | with your plugin, i hope? |
| 13:24:27 | Mikachu | yes |
| 13:24:32 | preglow | yeah, sure |
| 13:24:32 | Mikachu | but i also got it with pacman two times |
| 13:24:39 | preglow | you can use the wheel without touching it |
| 13:24:50 | Mikachu | oh you meant the beep |
| 13:24:53 | Mikachu | how does that work? |
| 13:25:02 | preglow | it's just a capacitance detector |
| 13:25:10 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 13:26:24 | amiconn | Hmm. My first attempt of dma playback + simple buffering system for archos pcm actually works. |
| 13:26:48 | amiconn | There one problem though, I get some bursts of static occasionally... |
| 13:27:57 | Mikachu | this is way better than electroplankton |
| 13:28:50 | preglow | amiconn: this is a 3.1 feature, right? |
| 13:29:20 | amiconn | Integration of pcm is a 3.1 feature |
| 13:29:31 | preglow | yeaps |
| 13:29:41 | preglow | with the dreaded playback engine unification? :> |
| 13:31:24 | amiconn | I don't see how to manage pcm integration without it |
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| 13:37:40 | Mmmm | Remote support is a 3.0 feature right? |
| 13:38:00 | Mmmm | I have a patch to increase remote support....anyone interested? |
| 13:38:58 | Mmmm | If noone here, who would be the person to talk to? |
| 13:39:13 | Mikachu | put it in the tracker |
| 13:39:20 | Mmmm | it's there.. |
| 13:39:39 | Mmmm | I've just got to get it noticed! :D |
| 13:40:24 | safetydan | might help if you mention the task number |
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| 13:40:50 | Mmmm | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4818 |
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| 13:42:13 | preglow | amiconn: i'm sure you can think of a hack |
| 13:42:40 | amiconn | I don't think so |
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| 13:44:19 | preglow | so, you'll be going the full route with codec plugins and all? |
| 13:44:39 | ashridah | .... ! |
| 13:44:48 | ashridah | libvf.c:24: error: 'NULL' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 13:44:48 | ashridah | you what?! |
| 13:44:49 | amiconn | Probably not codec plugins |
| 13:45:36 | ashridah | oh. wait. haven't #included anything |
| 13:45:42 | preglow | you shouldnt |
| 13:45:46 | safetydan | Mmmm, you're making a lot of changs in one patch. It might be better to split them up or at least explain all the things that have been changed. |
| 13:45:50 | preglow | you shouldnt need to include for NULL ? |
| 13:45:52 | amiconn | Wow! This thing plays realtime on Ondio :-) |
| 13:46:08 | preglow | amiconn: can you still navigate? :> |
| 13:46:17 | amiconn | It's a plugin.... |
| 13:46:35 | Mmmm | safetydan: I've included as little as possible! :) it's all essential to work! |
| 13:46:47 | amiconn | I still have to find the static-burst problem |
| 13:46:58 | safetydan | Mmmm, at the very least you can do the remote peak meter support in a seperate patch |
| 13:47:56 | amiconn | But the good thing is that 2 serial DMA transfers in parallel are fast enough for realtime 44.1kHz stereo, even with the double bitswap |
| 13:48:07 | Mmmm | safetydan: you cant because peakmeter has to be called differently (it needs the screen struct to be passed into it) so the remote automatically gets supported! |
| 13:48:08 | preglow | amiconn: you need to swap bits as well??? |
| 13:48:25 | preglow | amiconn: this small a codec, and they didn't manage to put in selectable bit swapping? |
| 13:48:45 | amiconn | Well, micronas is not the one to blame |
| 13:48:53 | amiconn | The designer of the SH1 SCI is |
| 13:49:19 | Mmmm | Safetydan:supporting the recording screen without the peakmeter would be a bit pointless dont you think? |
| 13:50:11 | safetydan | Mmmm, I was just thinking that the peak meter support for the rwps can be done as a seperate patch. You can then make the remote support for the recording screen depend on that patch. |
| 13:50:31 | safetydan | Mmmm, I also take it that your remote doesn't have the ticking issue? :) |
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| 13:52:47 | * | ashridah sighs and watches 33MB of tetex-* download |
| 13:52:53 | Mmmm | safetydan: Remote support of the peakmeter has to enable ALL remote support for it not just for one screen...if it did I think it wouldn't be the right way to go about it. So when entering the recording screen you would get the peakmeter and nothing else! |
| 13:52:59 | ashridah | yep, gotta love latex |
| 13:53:10 | preglow | well |
| 13:53:11 | preglow | sometimes |
| 13:53:27 | * | ashridah watches as his modem chafes |
| 13:53:37 | Mmmm | safetydan: the ticking fix fixes my ticking! |
| 13:53:38 | preglow | modem? :> |
| 13:53:41 | ashridah | <modem> this is the last time i dress up as the damn gimp |
| 13:54:38 | Mmmm | safetydan: Just having the peakmeter and nothing else on the remote recording screen would be a bit mad so I went the whole hog! :) |
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| 14:01:19 | safetydan | Mmmm, shouldn't "record" be mapped to the record button on the remote? |
| 14:02:40 | Mmmm | safetydan: Hehheh....It certainly should! hmmm I wonder what happened there....? :D |
| 14:03:49 | safetydan | otherwise it looks good |
| 14:03:58 | safetydan | haven't extensively tested it though |
| 14:04:18 | safetydan | have you test built on any other targets? |
| 14:04:47 | Mmmm | Safetydan...it's being tested on the forums...been out there for a while...no complaints yet! Ive built on all targets, no probs |
| 14:05:26 | safetydan | cool |
| 14:05:32 | safetydan | I'll just do some more checking then |
| 14:05:45 | Mmmm | great...thanks safetydan :) |
| 14:07:35 | lodesi | r |
| 14:07:42 | lodesi | heu.. sorry |
| 14:07:55 | Mmmm | safetydan: I remember now, I mapped the recording button to play on the remote just because it is a nicer button... :) |
| 14:08:04 | safetydan | that sort of makes sense |
| 14:08:38 | safetydan | for consistency I might change it back to record |
| 14:08:49 | Mmmm | ok, no probs... |
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| 14:14:37 | whatboutbob | good evening folks. |
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| 14:16:41 | Mmmm | err...afternoon here cobber! :D |
| 14:16:47 | whatboutbob | safetydan: i completely understand why you'd change the remote recording trigger button to the record button for consistency, but from a usability perspective i, for one, find the play button handy. |
| 14:17:12 | whatboutbob | hehe...well...its technically morning here...so i guess i'm just wrong all around... |
| 14:18:47 | safetydan | whatboutbob, well... yeah it's not a nice button... |
| 14:19:32 | safetydan | I'm not sure really. Consistency is good, but usability is also good... hrmm |
| 14:19:55 | Mmmm | whatboutbob has been chief tester on this patch...if there are any probs with it he knows about them! :D |
| 14:20:14 | safetydan | maybe I'll leave it as remote play then |
| 14:20:20 | Mmmm | :) |
| 14:20:59 | Bger | safetydan what's the problem with the "record" ? |
| 14:21:10 | safetydan | Bg3r, on the h100 lcd remote it's a bit... fiddly |
| 14:21:28 | safetydan | the play button is nice and large and only has one function |
| 14:21:38 | safetydan | whereas the record button can be slide left, right and pressed in |
| 14:21:38 | Mmmm | Bger: fddly uncomfortable, small plasticky...you name it! |
| 14:21:47 | Bger | uf :( |
| 14:21:51 | whatboutbob | i realise the 'play' button might not make much sense to trigger recording, but its hard to mis-press it..whereas the rec button on the h1x0 remote is fiddly... |
| 14:21:55 | Bger | the remote problems again .. |
| 14:22:39 | whatboutbob | ...and i can't think of any other use for the play button on that screen.... |
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| 14:29:09 | amiconn | Static noise problem nailed :) PCM now playing like a charm on archos, both recorder & Ondio |
| 14:29:46 | amiconn | Playback code is something to likely cause headaches :/ |
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| 14:31:42 | webguest74 | congrats amiconn! |
| 14:31:59 | preglow | let's hope lostlogic gives it a firm refurbishing |
| 14:32:14 | webguest74 | any chance pcm will be included in 3.0 as a viewer plugin? |
| 14:32:34 | amiconn | preglow: I mean all playback code, even the simplistic engine I adapted for my plugin |
| 14:32:56 | amiconn | This plugin will receive some more polishing. |
| 14:33:01 | amiconn | - Ability to stop playback before the .WAV ends |
| 14:33:06 | preglow | yeah, i can imagine |
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| 14:33:19 | preglow | i like my small low-level code snippets the best :> |
| 14:33:22 | amiconn | - Restore the MAS' state so the plugin doesn't break mp3 playback |
| 14:33:59 | amiconn | - Read parameters from WAV file to allow playback of all 16 bit uncompressed files |
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| 14:34:09 | amiconn | Then I'll probably commit it to cvs |
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| 14:34:48 | amiconn | So that means WAV playback will likely be included as a viewer in 3.0 |
| 14:35:21 | webguest74 | rocking |
| 14:35:45 | safetydan | whatboutbob, Mmmm, it's comitted now |
| 14:35:53 | Mmmm | Wooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............ |
| 14:35:56 | preglow | you do overwrite the mp3 codec when uploading the wav one, yes? |
| 14:36:23 | Mmmm | thanks safetydan.....there are millions of happy recorders out there now im sure! :D |
| 14:37:32 | amiconn | preglow: In case you want to know: I advanced the read pointer too early, which lead to the rebuffer routine overwriting the currently playing ram area |
| 14:38:04 | amiconn | Since I first read, then bitswap, the filled-in data was often played unswapped - ouch |
| 14:38:04 | safetydan | Mmmm, hey you did all the work :) |
| 14:38:47 | Mmmm | ;D But it's great to be appreciated :D |
| 14:39:25 | amiconn | preglow: I'm not overwriting the mp3 codec, that's not possible since it's in ROM |
| 14:40:12 | whatboutbob | Thanks safetydan. Congrats Mmmm! :) |
| 14:40:16 | amiconn | But for switching back, I have to stop the DSP core, switch the relevant RAM area back to data RAM, then restart the DSP core |
| 14:40:39 | amiconn | I hope the DSP_RESET bit in the appropriate config register will do the trick |
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| 14:41:16 | Bger | are these MASes still sold ? |
| 14:41:19 | amiconn | maybe |
| 14:41:24 | Bger | heh |
| 14:41:31 | preglow | amiconn: right |
| 14:41:39 | Mmmm | Whatboutbob, Safetydan: Party time...beers are on me! :D |
| 14:41:46 | Bger | why they just don't open the docs about them... |
| 14:41:55 | amiconn | I can hard-reset the whole mas, but that generates a pop |
| 14:42:49 | safetydan | hrmm... the build page says 8 warnings for the iAudio X5 bootloader, but I only see 4 in the log |
| 14:42:54 | amiconn | Disk spinup every 10 seconds... |
| 14:45:04 | Bger | anyone aware whether there is a non-lcd remote for iAudios too ? |
| 14:45:20 | Bger | more precisely for X5 |
| 14:45:57 | PhR3aK | no there isnt one |
| 14:46:23 | Bger | k |
| 14:46:39 | PhR3aK | you mean such a remote as for the ipod? |
| 14:47:04 | PhR3aK | just play / pause / skip forward / backward? |
| 14:47:26 | Bger | something without a screen, in fact without a backlight on the remote :) |
| 14:47:44 | PhR3aK | afaik i never saw something like this for the x5 ;) |
| 14:48:06 | PhR3aK | anyone know how far the audio driver for the x5 is? |
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| 14:48:45 | safetydan | PhR3aK, nothing's been mentioned lately |
| 14:49:03 | Bger | PhR3aK afaik linus played something on his x5 2-3 days ago ... |
| 14:49:30 | PhR3aK | really? |
| 14:49:38 | PhR3aK | wow! |
| 14:49:50 | Slasheri | amiconn: now i got the tag sortin working :) still other bugs to be fixed.. |
| 14:49:50 | Bger | it was something by cranberies iirc ..:P |
| 14:49:50 | ashridah | Bg3r: played something? or wrote the bootloader? usually playback results in a Gentlemen email |
| 14:50:12 | PhR3aK | yeah... like the ipod massage, right? |
| 14:50:14 | Bger | ashridah i think he mentioned it here ... |
| 14:50:44 | ashridah | oh, the painful end of tradtion |
| 14:50:57 | Bger | hah:P |
| 14:51:13 | Bger | Zagor, Bagder ... what about a "search" for the irc logs .... |
| 14:51:44 | * | ashridah knows someone with an M3 who's been interested in the progress on the iaudio, but naturally disconcerted by the lack of action on the older m3 model front |
| 14:52:14 | safetydan | Bg3r, google can do it for you |
| 14:52:18 | Bger | ashridah aren't the m3s very similar hardware-wise ? |
| 14:52:24 | Bger | safetydan not for the last 2-3 days .. |
| 14:52:27 | safetydan | true |
| 14:52:28 | ashridah | Bg3r: so i've heard |
| 14:52:40 | ashridah | but i expect the usual differences, LCD, some hardware bits, etc. |
| 14:52:56 | Bger | yeo |
| 14:52:58 | Bger | yep |
| 14:53:27 | PhR3aK | so what? is there audio playback for the x5? |
| 14:54:25 | ashridah | PhR3aK: i don't think anything's been checked in, and even if the playback by linus happened, it was probably just piping a raw chunk of pcm to the audio |
| 14:54:45 | PhR3aK | ok... i thougt ive missed something... |
| 14:55:32 | PhR3aK | so there will be a message like with the ipod? |
| 14:55:45 | PhR3aK | if its done? |
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| 14:56:07 | ashridah | i'd say so |
| 14:56:36 | ashridah | those kinds of things are usually significant |
| 14:56:36 | PhR3aK | ok... |
| 14:58:51 | amiconn | Bg3r: I have a local copy of the irc logs which I update from time to time |
| 14:58:51 | amiconn | Very convenient for searching |
| 14:58:51 | safetydan | is it just me, or is rockbox.org a little slow at the moment? |
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| 15:02:51 | Bger | PhR3aK i think i've dreamt something about the sound on iaudio... |
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| 15:02:51 | PhR3aK | ok... ^^ |
| 15:02:51 | Bger | PhR3aK sorry :( |
| 15:03:02 | PhR3aK | no problem... |
| 15:03:40 | PhR3aK | i thougt im the one who has to be sorry because i ask almost everyday for audioplayback on the x5 ^^ |
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| 15:07:05 | PhR3aK | because when this is done i will 100% swich to rockbox because i dont need video playback etc., the cown fw is just crap... |
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| 15:11:51 | webguest21 | how does Rockbox read replaygain info from id3v2? Using TXXX (as foobar writes them) or RVA2 (as the spec says, and eg. Quod Libet writes them)? |
| 15:15:12 | safetydan | webguest21, txxx by the look of things |
| 15:16:25 | webguest21 | For shame |
| 15:17:28 | webguest21 | Damn foobar being a bad influence |
| 15:18:05 | safetydan | rva2 only came in in id3 2.4 |
| 15:19:04 | Mikachu | isn't there a patch about that? |
| 15:19:12 | safetydan | possibly, I'm about to go looking |
| 15:19:25 | Mikachu | i think i have it watched |
| 15:19:27 | safetydan | there's actually two patches |
| 15:19:51 | Mikachu | ah no, it was the arbitrary comment patch i had watched |
| 15:20:08 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1943 |
| 15:20:12 | safetydan | hrmm... I think I can ignore the one from 2004 |
| 15:20:19 | Mikachu | that's that one |
| 15:20:28 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2937 is what I'm looking at |
| 15:21:35 | webguest21 | Doesn't foobar use id3v2.4?! |
| 15:21:58 | Mikachu | a lot of things don't use 2.4, especially not on linux |
| 15:23:32 | Slasheri | hmm, in fact tagcache will be commit ready soon :) |
| 15:23:32 | safetydan | \o/ woo! |
| 15:23:32 | Moos | Hooray ! |
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| 15:24:56 | amiconn | Slasheri: Just let someone test on archos & iPod, in case there are alignment issues |
| 15:25:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: well, sure. anyway, the first version wont be perfect ;) |
| 15:26:00 | amiconn | Surely not, but it shouldn't cause nasty crashes at least |
| 15:26:16 | webguest21 | Jesus Christ, people having support for 2.3 and not 2.4 have been on vacation for 5 years after implementing 2.3 in 18 months... or something.. slackers, the lot of them. |
| 15:26:49 | webguest21 | (2.4 was published only 18 months after 2.3, and that's over 5 years ago now) |
| 15:28:22 | safetydan | webguest21, steady on :) Opensource moves slowly sometimes. |
| 15:28:33 | safetydan | anyway, I'm looking at a patch which should add RVA2 support to Rockbox |
| 15:29:43 | webguest21 | I guess it's just that people use the obsolete id3lib |
| 15:29:54 | webguest21 | Should be using taglib or something else non-broken |
| 15:30:54 | XavierGr | nice Slasheri looking forward to it. |
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| 15:33:12 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i will commit it soon after i just clean the code a bit |
| 15:33:37 | Slasheri | and actually implement the chunked browsing as we now have sorting :) |
| 15:34:45 | Moos | Slasheri: we are all unpatiently waiting :-) |
| 15:35:33 | muesli__ | scanning the 1st time must take ages? |
| 15:35:46 | Bger | Slasheri what does "chunked browsing" mean? |
| 15:36:25 | Slasheri | muesli__: it takes something like 10 minutes in background (player can be rebooted anytime etc.) |
| 15:38:38 | Slasheri | Bger: tagcache provides already sorted file list for the dir browser |
| 15:38:38 | safetydan | Mikachu, the replaygain patch you're watching (task 1943) is specific to MAS (archos) units |
| 15:38:38 | muesli__ | wont use it anyway but nice to have it ;) |
| 15:38:38 | Moos | hey faster than the previous version and that was via PC |
| 15:38:38 | Slasheri | so browser doesn't need to load everything in ram for sorting if we are lacking enough ram |
| 15:38:38 | Mikachu | safetydan: okay, i've unwatched it and watched the one you found instead |
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| 15:38:38 | safetydan | hrmm... the target thingy in flyspray might need a "hwcodec" and "swcodec" target |
| 15:38:38 | webguest21 | What happens if you try to view the db during that time? |
| 15:39:42 | Slasheri | webguest21: if there is old db on the disk, that is displayed |
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| 15:45:33 | Slasheri | if not, then nothing happens |
| 15:45:33 | Cassandra | Ah excellent. I've been outbid on Ebay. |
| 15:45:33 | Mikachu | a hint of sarcasm there? |
| 15:45:33 | Cassandra | Nope. I bid for the wrong thing. :) |
| 15:45:33 | Mikachu | oh, lucky |
| 15:45:33 | Moos | haha XD |
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| 15:45:33 | * | Cassandra can't seem to find an Ipod cradle that'll just do passthrough and let you plug a standard iPod cable into the back of it. |
| 15:45:33 | webguest21 | How clever is it in terms of finding updated tags? |
| 15:45:33 | webguest21 | How clever is it in terms of finding updated tags? |
| 15:45:33 | Ctcp | Ping on #rockbox from webguest21!n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se |
| 15:45:33 | Mikachu | that's probably not a good idea |
| 15:45:33 | Bger | webguest21 u're here |
| 15:45:33 | Cassandra | Hmmm? |
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| 15:46:48 | safetydan | okay, the build table is now officially weird |
| 15:46:54 | safetydan | where's the h120 build? |
| 15:50:25 | Cassandra | I think it got eaten by badgers. |
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| 16:21:36 | Nico_P | am i the only one experiencing slowness on the website ? |
| 16:23:10 | muesli__ | Bg3r arround? |
| 16:24:25 | Bger | muesli__ yep |
| 16:24:25 | Bger | my h340 just hung ... |
| 16:24:25 | Bger | while doing next/prev song ... |
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| 16:24:25 | muesli__ | had any progress in handling the evil h300 lcd remote? |
| 16:24:25 | Moos | Nico_P: safetydan reported the same thing too |
| 16:24:25 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bger |
| 16:24:25 | Bger | muesli__ i have something that near works ... |
| 16:24:25 | muesli__ | yeah :) |
| 16:24:25 | Bger | but i doubt that it'll be included in the cvs |
| 16:24:25 | Nico_P | ah.. seems to have become fast again |
| 16:24:25 | muesli__ | whatever it is better than nothin than the current state |
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| 16:25:02 | Paprica | Bger, my h320 hungs too |
| 16:25:09 | Nico_P | mine too |
| 16:25:15 | Nico_P | it's a CVS prob |
| 16:29:41 | Nico_P | i think |
| 16:29:41 | Paprica | yep |
| 16:29:41 | Nico_P | i suspect lostlogic recent swcodec playback engine changes |
| 16:29:41 | Bger | h3xx proble, ? :) |
| 16:29:41 | Bger | k |
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| 16:29:41 | Bger | grrr this uisimulator stuff |
| 16:29:41 | safetydan | ? |
| 16:29:41 | safetydan | What's wrong with the ui simulator? |
| 16:30:05 | Bger | safetydan nothing :) it's all that i must write to similar thing on 2 diff places: firmware/drivers/button.c and uisimulator/sdl/button.c |
| 16:30:42 | safetydan | ah... yeah... bit annoying that |
| 16:30:59 | safetydan | though now that there's only one supported sim maybe that could change |
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| 16:32:04 | XavierGr | does anyone encounters lockups with latest buidlds? |
| 16:32:17 | rmrmg | hello |
| 16:32:21 | XavierGr | I get many crashes lately, both on H100 and H300 |
| 16:32:43 | rmrmg | does rockbox support cyrillic UTF file name? |
| 16:32:51 | safetydan | XavierGr, yeah me too on a h120 |
| 16:32:51 | Mikachu | should work |
| 16:32:59 | Bger | 16.24.25 # <Bger> my h340 just hung ... |
| 16:33:00 | safetydan | safetydan, mostly while seeking |
| 16:33:05 | rmrmg | i have problem w/ it |
| 16:33:12 | Bger | 16.25.02 # <Paprica> Bger, my h320 hungs too |
| 16:33:23 | Mikachu | rmrmg: try selecting unifont or 6+12x13 as the font |
| 16:33:31 | XavierGr | safetydan: Yes. It must be latest changes by lostlogic in playback.c |
| 16:34:08 | rmrmg | Mikachu: but cyrillic UTF tag are ok |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | rmrmg: are you using linux or windows? |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | linux |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | you have to mount the fat partition with -o utf8 |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | then it should work fine |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | ok, i ckech it |
| 16:41:49 | XavierGr | http://illhostit.com/files/7702838042866319/Pic%20(1).jpg |
| 16:41:49 | Bger | haha XavierGr :) |
| 16:41:49 | XavierGr | :D |
| 16:41:49 | Bger | selling one LCD ? :P |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | Mikachu: thx!! now it's work |
| 16:41:49 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Mikachu |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | rmrmg: you're welcome |
| 16:41:49 | XavierGr | Guess what? All remotes I tested with the H100 tick. Finally I can be assured that it is a unit defect. |
| 16:41:49 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK rmrmg |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | you sholud add this info to UTF howto file |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | i'll add a note in IpodInstallitionFromLinux |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | Ipod? |
| 16:41:49 | Bger | Mikachu this isn't iPod specific ... |
| 16:41:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | i have H300 |
| 16:41:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | ah heh |
| 16:41:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | i'll add a note there anyway |
| 16:41:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 16:41:49 | Mikachu | since it has some details about mounting already |
| 16:41:49 | Bger | btw, what about including cyrillic & greek in the default font ?... |
| 16:41:49 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 16:41:49 | XavierGr | is there a way to mod nimbus 14 to be unifont? |
| 16:41:49 | XavierGr | or find a font that looks like it and is unifont? |
| 16:41:49 | Bger | XavierGr or u add the uni glyphs on your own to it |
| 16:41:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 5 |
| 16:41:49 | rmrmg | do you know any linux program to convert ogg and mp3 tag from cp1251 to utf? |
| 16:41:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 6 |
| 16:41:49 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bg3r |
| 16:41:49 | Bger | rmrmg ah, this is interesting for me too |
| 16:41:59 | Mikachu | easytag has options for which encoding to use, but it's a bit tricky to get it to actually convert something existing |
| 16:44:53 | Bger | haha any chances for the iriver sim to have different remotes in the future ? |
| 16:45:39 | webguest76 | Some enterprising individual could probably cook up a generic linux script using the recode utility |
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| 16:46:22 | rmrmg | Bger: easytag can do it |
| 16:46:30 | Bger | rmrmg ah, 10x |
| 16:48:38 | Bger | use non-standard charset for reading tags ? |
| 16:51:50 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 16:52:44 | rmrmg | preferences -> convert charset set from to |
| 16:52:44 | Mikachu | he changed something in recent versions, i didn't get it working with those |
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| 16:52:44 | Mikachu | but .8 works fine at least |
| 16:52:44 | Mikachu | note that it only writes v2.3 tags |
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| 16:58:35 | rmrmg | nope, it's not work |
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| 16:58:57 | rmrmg | in easytag is okey but in other program no, |
| 16:59:59 | Mikachu | like i said, it's tricky and i think 1.99.8 is the last where it works |
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| 17:00:47 | rmrmg | i have 1.99.5 |
| 17:01:23 | Mikachu | iirc, you need to first set the settings to 'convert from <charset your tags are in now> to utf-8' |
| 17:01:31 | Mikachu | then open the dir with the files |
| 17:01:36 | Mikachu | and then change the settings again |
| 17:01:41 | Mikachu | then modify the tags someway, and then save them |
| 17:01:56 | Mikachu | ie, change the settings to 'from utf-8 to utf-8' |
| 17:02:54 | rmrmg | hmm strange |
| 17:06:50 | XavierGr | so any news on the USB_OTG front from petur? |
| 17:08:33 | Bger | XavierGr afaik, no:( |
| 17:09:06 | Bger | petur (i=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) signed off 7 days and 16 hours ago |
| 17:10:38 | XavierGr | wow |
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| 17:12:27 | XavierGr | wow TiMiD is here? |
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| 17:18:47 | XavierGr | since when? Long time no see man! |
| 17:18:47 | XavierGr | How is Japan? |
| 17:19:03 | dpro | re |
| 17:19:17 | dpro | anyone tried rockbox on ipod minis ? |
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| 17:27:18 | XavierGr | does rockbox.org has problems for you? |
| 17:27:18 | Bger | as being slow ? |
| 17:27:21 | safetydan | XavierGr, seems to be slow for everyone |
| 17:27:34 | dpro | works alright for me |
| 17:27:38 | XavierGr | ah okay then. I just can't navigate at all. |
| 17:27:59 | Bger | it's probably Bagder downloading warez:P |
| 17:28:00 | XavierGr | now it is fine, strnage |
| 17:28:06 | XavierGr | HAH |
| 17:28:08 | XavierGr | A |
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| 18:28:24 | safetydan | lostlogic, you around? |
| 18:28:24 | lostlogic | dan: yeah |
| 18:28:29 | lostlogic | 'mi breakin' things? |
| 18:28:35 | Mikachu | lostlogic: http://mikachu.ath.cx/beeper.c :) |
| 18:28:37 | Mikachu | i was bored |
| 18:29:02 | | Join diablogmp3 [0] (i=diablo_i@162.230.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 18:30:54 | safetydan | lostlogic, I can reproduce the seek to beginning of track issue with latest CVS on my h120 |
| 18:30:54 | diablogmp3 | hello |
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| 18:30:54 | diablogmp3 | i have a question about ipod port of rockbox |
| 18:30:54 | lostlogic | safetydan: seek or skip? |
| 18:30:54 | lostlogic | Mikachu: cool |
| 18:30:54 | safetydan | lostlogic, start playing, seek forward, then short tap back so the song starts again |
| 18:30:54 | safetydan | first song in the playlist |
| 18:30:54 | rmrmg | Mikachu: i convert tag to utf but i have problem w/ last.fm look on http://www.last.fm/user/rmrmg/ |
| 18:30:54 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK safetydan |
| 18:30:54 | safetydan | WPS says "Paused" and then the system hangs |
| 18:30:54 | rmrmg | Mikachu: do you have any idea what is wrong? |
| 18:30:54 | Mikachu | rmrmg: no idea there sorry |
| 18:30:58 | rmrmg | ok |
| 18:31:07 | lostlogic | safetydan: hmmmm, I'll take a look, thanks for the more info. |
| 18:31:21 | safetydan | lostlogic, if you turn on the memory access debugger you get a little more info |
| 18:31:24 | safetydan | but nothing useful |
| 18:31:31 | safetydan | I40:PDIR1FULL |
| 18:31:36 | safetydan | at 00000001 |
| 18:32:01 | lostlogic | well the wps saying paused is helpful... |
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| 18:36:42 | diablogmp3 | will the IR control of iPod via dock and remote be implemented on ipod ? |
| 18:36:42 | lostlogic | diablogmp3: if someone decides to implement them, sure... |
| 18:36:46 | diablogmp3 | ok thanks :) |
| 18:37:51 | diablogmp3 | i asked it because i have a sound dock for my g4 and if the ir is implemented on rockbox, sure i'll install it on my ipod :) |
| 18:38:45 | safetydan | lostlogic, actually, after doing a clean rebuild from HEAD I can't reproduce the issue... |
| 18:38:45 | lostlogic | Well, I don't know of anyone planning to implement it yet... |
| 18:39:03 | lostlogic | safetydan: w00t! let me know if you do again −− I did do a pause fix this morning (no more separate paused variable, let pcm manage pause at a lower level) |
| 18:39:42 | safetydan | lostlogic, actually I just had it happen again :( |
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| 18:40:34 | lostlogic | bagh |
| 18:43:03 | lostlogic | safetydan: does the disk LED go on when it freezes, or is there any correlation between disk led and freezes in this case? |
| 18:43:24 | safetydan | lostlogic, no disk led |
| 18:44:03 | safetydan | hrm... it crashed so bad it rebooted in to the iRiver firmware :) |
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| 18:44:40 | lostlogic | well the good news that it's iriver specific... and the bad news is that it's iriver specific |
| 18:44:51 | lostlogic | so... what did I do differently in pcm_playback.c between the two |
| 18:46:26 | safetydan | it may be something to do with disk reading... |
| 18:46:42 | safetydan | it happens consistently if I make any seek backward or track skipping while the buffer is filling |
| 18:47:28 | lostlogic | ok, thanks |
| 18:49:48 | safetydan | yeah it's definitely disk related |
| 18:49:48 | safetydan | simplest reproducable case I have is |
| 18:49:48 | safetydan | 1. Start track playing |
| 18:49:55 | safetydan | 2. Seek a little bit forward while the disk led is flashing |
| 18:49:58 | safetydan | 3. Short tap backwards |
| 18:50:00 | safetydan | bam |
| 18:50:02 | safetydan | lock up |
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| 18:50:30 | safetydan | WPS will say "Paused", backlight goes on and stays on and system hangs |
| 18:56:14 | bam_ | quick question when upgrading cvs, what files do I need to copy to do so? |
| 18:56:14 | | Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 18:56:14 | lostlogic | bam_: easiest to make zip and then just unzip the zip |
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| 18:56:14 | Bger | poor lostlogic ... :) |
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| 18:56:14 | bam_ | the stop=>play bug is still there... |
| 18:56:52 | carini | Bger: You took ownership of 4913? |
| 18:57:16 | Bger | yep |
| 18:57:26 | Bger | about to commit it with some more fixes |
| 18:57:31 | carini | Cool. |
| 18:58:02 | carini | How about the patch for the sim to generate remote keypresses? |
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| 18:58:44 | auslaender | Hi there... |
| 18:58:46 | Bger | its already commited |
| 18:58:47 | Bger | afaik |
| 18:59:37 | carini | ok. i missed that commit. |
| 19:00 |
| 19:02:35 | carini | Is the website overloaded or is it just me? |
| 19:02:35 | Bger | i have problems too |
| 19:02:35 | Nico_P | yes me too |
| 19:02:35 | auslaender | where is the .bin file I need? I can't find it on the website... the FAQ/manual page only links to the regular download page |
| 19:02:38 | Mikachu | the .bin file you need to do what? |
| 19:03:15 | Bger | carini ops, i'm wrong |
| 19:03:15 | carini | about 4905 being committed? |
| 19:03:16 | | Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 19:03:22 | Bger | yep, about this |
| 19:03:34 | auslaender | got a question about flashing to my Archos Recorder 20 |
| 19:03:56 | Bger | amiconn ? |
| 19:03:56 | carini | Bger: Think it could be committed? It was useful for testing the other patch. |
| 19:04:21 | Bger | carini i made my own button_test.rock |
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| 19:05:00 | Bger | but i'll look at it too |
| 19:07:13 | carini | so you load that in the sim and it generates remote buttons instead? |
| 19:07:13 | Bger | ah, no, i'm testing it on the target |
| 19:07:13 | carini | Ah. 4905 was for the sim, so you could generate remote keypresses. |
| 19:07:13 | Bger | yep |
| 19:07:13 | carini | But your rock for the target would be pretty useful to commit, too. |
| 19:07:13 | auslaender | looks like the site is having problems... please respond if you can read this |
| 19:07:27 | carini | Yeah, the site is having problems. |
| 19:07:39 | Bger | carini i don't think the cvs is a place for testing sources ... |
| 19:08:15 | carini | Bger: Well, it is a rock, so it doesn't get in anyone's way. |
| 19:08:29 | | Quit auslaender (Client Quit) |
| 19:08:37 | carini | Bger: But it's certainly your call. |
| 19:12:03 | Bger | but otoh it's good somewhere to have such sources ... |
| 19:12:03 | Nico_P | i've just installed kubuntu and i get an error message when trying to configure binutils |
| 19:12:03 | Nico_P | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 19:12:03 | carini | yep. Especially if it helps prevent bugs that stop the remotes from working :-) |
| 19:12:52 | Bger | ;) |
| 19:14:13 | dpro | Nico_P: gcc −−version ? as −−version ? |
| 19:14:24 | Bger | carini: so, these patches are yours/ |
| 19:14:31 | lostlogic | safetydan: well this bug has 'forced' me to unify the shared code in pcm_playback.c so it's not an all bad thing... still haven't found the bug though. |
| 19:14:35 | Nico_P | gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9) |
| 19:16:58 | carini | Yeah. |
| 19:16:58 | Nico_P | Assembleur GNU 2.16.1 Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 19:16:58 | Nico_P | maybe i should use gcc 3.4 ? i have it installed but i don't know how to use that one instead of gcc 4.0... |
| 19:16:58 | carini | Bger: 4905 and 4913 |
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| 19:17:32 | Ctcp | Ignored 6 channel CTCP requests in 2 hours and 6 minutes at the last flood |
| 19:17:32 | * | nls makes the "my firs commit dance" |
| 19:17:38 | nls | first |
| 19:17:54 | Bger | nls :)) |
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| 19:22:03 | Nico_P | is someone able to help me ? |
| 19:22:03 | Bger | Nico_P with ? |
| 19:22:03 | Nico_P | Assembleur GNU 2.16.1 Debian GNU/Linux |
| 19:22:03 | Nico_P | sorry |
| 19:22:03 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Nico_P |
| 19:22:03 | Nico_P | i've just installed kubuntu and i get an error message when trying to configure binutils |
| 19:22:03 | Nico_P | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
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| 19:22:03 | Moos | nls: Hi,checked my pm? |
| 19:22:03 | Bger | Slasheri ? lostlogic ? |
| 19:22:27 | nls | let's hope I didn't break the manual |
| 19:22:55 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 19:23:30 | Moos | nls: do you registred at freenode? |
| 19:24:48 | lostlogic | safetydan: want to test a patch? |
| 19:26:04 | Bger | lostlogic i could try too |
| 19:26:04 | carini | Nico_P: Did you check config.log? |
| 19:26:22 | nls | no |
| 19:26:23 | nls | using the web client here (maybe I should get a real irc client) |
| 19:26:23 | nls | wich one is good for windows? |
| 19:27:32 | Moos | X chat is good, or Hydra Irc |
| 19:27:32 | Paprica | blah, the playback still hung |
| 19:27:32 | lostlogic | gah, CVS is doing that _thing_ |
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| 19:27:32 | nls | ok |
| 19:27:32 | lostlogic | Paprica: my bug? |
| 19:27:33 | Paprica | yep |
| 19:27:34 | Paprica | =\ |
| 19:27:41 | Bger | lostlogic the www.rockbox.org is doing _that_ thing .. |
| 19:28:07 | Bger | cvs [diff aborted]: connect to www.rockbox.org(193.15.23.131):2401 failed: Connection timed out |
| 19:30:57 | bam_ | yes, lostlogic if its the stop->play bug |
| 19:30:57 | lostlogic | Bger: it's pretty much a reversion of a previous commit for now until I fix more threading issues in playback. it appears on h1x0 only because that's the only target fast enough to trigger it (I think) http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/revert_pcmbuf_locks.patch |
| 19:30:57 | bam_ | I fell back to the 23rd cvs |
| 19:30:57 | Bger | it seems it's caused by a router loop |
| 19:30:57 | bam_ | no problem there |
| 19:30:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:30:57 | * | lostlogic beats zagor with a router |
| 19:30:57 | Bger | or i'm wrong |
| 19:30:57 | lostlogic | bam_: Paprica: try that patch? |
| 19:30:57 | Paprica | ok |
| 19:30:57 | Nico_P | carini: where is config.log ? |
| 19:30:57 | Paprica | i'll try |
| 19:30:57 | Nico_P | sorry i'm quite a linux noob |
| 19:30:57 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK bam_ |
| 19:30:57 | bam_ | not sure how to use the patches yet... |
| 19:30:57 | Bger | Nico_P should be in the same dir |
| 19:30:57 | Nico_P | ah ok |
| 19:30:57 | lostlogic | bam_: hehe, no worries, looks like i have plenty of testers in here ;) |
| 19:30:57 | dpro | Nico_P: can you compile sth. like "main(){}" |
| 19:30:57 | carini | Nico_P: config.log should have the output from configure. You can see the exact error message it got when it tried to make an exexcutable. |
| 19:31:48 | Nico_P | configure:1922: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works |
| 19:31:49 | Nico_P | configure:1938: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5 |
| 19:31:49 | Nico_P | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
| 19:31:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 19:31:49 | Nico_P | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 19:31:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 19:31:49 | Nico_P | configure: failed program was: |
| 19:32:12 | dpro | ah |
| 19:32:27 | bam_ | has anyone compiled multiple versions of the favorites plugin? |
| 19:32:49 | bam_ | like say to make another playlist by a different name? |
| 19:33:17 | carini | Nico_P: Try copying the failed program to a file and running "gcc -c conftest.c" |
| 19:34:07 | dpro | apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 19:34:09 | Bger | lostlogic trying in a minute |
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| 19:34:49 | nls | ok then |
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| 19:35:21 | Bger | doesn't lock up for now .. |
| 19:37:13 | Moos | nls: now register at freenode |
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| 19:37:13 | Nico_P | i created a c source file with "main(){}" and executed gcc -c on it and it worked |
| 19:37:13 | Nico_P | ie it created an o file |
| 19:37:13 | dpro | NicoP: try without -c |
| 19:37:13 | Nico_P | nicolas@ubuntu:~$ gcc test.c |
| 19:37:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 19:37:13 | Nico_P | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: pas de fichier tel: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 19:37:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 19:37:13 | Nico_P | collect2: ld a retourné 1 code d'état d'exécution |
| 19:37:13 | dpro | Nico_P: won't work because you're missing crt1.o |
| 19:37:13 | safetydan | lostlogic, sure I can test a patch if you haven't got anyone else |
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| 19:37:13 | Nico_P | exactly |
| 19:37:13 | Bger | lostlogic but it seems alogical for me to go in pause mode while "seeking' to the beginning of the track |
| 19:37:13 | dpro | Nico_P: -c makes a lib, |
| 19:37:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dpro |
| 19:37:13 | dpro | Nico_P: but you want an executable |
| 19:37:31 | Nico_P | so what should i do ? |
| 19:37:47 | dpro | Nico'_P: apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 19:37:55 | carini | yup |
| 19:38:02 | dpro | Nico_P: IIRC it's in there |
| 19:38:28 | Bger | lostlogic i can't freeze it for now ... |
| 19:39:03 | lostlogic | Bger: it's a techincality of how the seeks are handled that it displays that, and it will probably change as I work on playback over coming weeks. |
| 19:40:47 | Nico_P | yay now it works :D |
| 19:40:47 | Nico_P | thanks |
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| 19:40:47 | Nico_P | what's the current recommended gcc version for building on coldfire ? i don't really understand what's said in the crosscompiler wiki page |
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| 19:40:54 | lostlogic | latest 3.x version |
| 19:41:16 | Nico_P | 3.4.x or 3.x.x ? |
| 19:41:17 | Bger | Nico_P 3.4.6 atm |
| 19:41:28 | Mikachu | 3.4.6 is the last 3.x release |
| 19:41:35 | Nico_P | ok thx |
| 19:41:42 | Bger | but 3.4.4 works too for now |
| 19:41:43 | Mikachu | (there will be no more) |
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| 19:41:57 | Bger | Mikachu sure ? |
| 19:42:37 | Mikachu | at least about 3.4.x |
| 19:42:41 | lostlogic | *giggle* so I commit the fix to that playback bug along with my next refactoring which will probably break something else, this sure is going to be a fun few weeks :) |
| 19:42:41 | Mikachu | Branch status: GCC 3.4.6 is the last release from the 3.4 series; the branch has been closed after the release. |
| 19:43:25 | Bger | lostlogic haha |
| 19:44:25 | safetydan | lostlogic, so long as it all works out in the end :) |
| 19:44:28 | dpro | lostlogic: so what is your patch giong to fix about the payback system ? |
| 19:44:32 | Bger | don't be too rude in this, otherwise your mom will be mentioned much ... |
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| 19:49:14 | Bger | (joke) |
| 19:49:14 | safetydan | maybe I'll need to look at simulator sound again |
| 19:49:14 | lostlogic | dpro: read cvs commit comments or chat logs |
| 19:49:14 | lostlogic | safetydan: so far I shouldn't have futzed with that at all. |
| 19:49:14 | safetydan | lostlogic, I wasn't saying you've changed it, just that I might need to look at it again since it's based on pcm_playback.c |
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| 19:50:11 | lostlogic | safetydan: gotcha |
| 19:50:28 | lostlogic | safetydan: sorry |
| 19:51:03 | safetydan | no worries :) |
| 19:51:19 | lostlogic | safetydan: what I've changed is how pause is treated so that pause state is remembered in the pcm_playback code, even if audio playback is stopped and started. This way there is no need for a separate paused variable in playback.c |
| 19:52:27 | lostlogic | it gives a more practically applicable interface to the rest of the system from the pcm |
| 19:55:35 | MarcoPolo | hi |
| 19:55:35 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 6 minutes and 16 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:55:35 | * | Bger just saw the lostlogic's gallery from the devcon |
| 19:55:35 | lostlogic | :) |
| 19:55:35 | lostlogic | man, something effed up on the build system on that last commit |
| 19:55:35 | lostlogic | only 6 servers responded and a bunch of builds weren't completed |
| 19:55:35 | Bger | i think the problem is in the inet connection of the rockbox.org .. |
| 19:55:46 | lostlogic | aye |
| 19:57:11 | Bger | http://lostlogicx.com/cgi-perl/pics.pl?COMMAND=FILE&FILE=/images/pics/20060316-20_Rockbox_Devcon_2006_Sweden/p3190011.jpg&SIZE=800 <= what have you done here ? :) |
| 19:58:26 | lostlogic | That's Linus' stuff :) |
| 19:58:31 | Bger | yeah :) |
| 19:58:32 | Nico_P | nice photos :) |
| 19:59:51 | Bger | haha that's probably amiconn debugging the coldfire ata read stuff |
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| 20:00:20 | Bger | http://lostlogicx.com/cgi-perl/pics.pl?COMMAND=FILE&FILE=/images/pics/20060316-20_Rockbox_Devcon_2006_Sweden/p3190016.jpg&SIZE=800 |
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| 20:01:32 | Slasheri | lostlogic: hmm, do you think it's really good idea to unify the pcm_playback.c? i think it might be better to just split it for different hardware |
| 20:04:17 | carini | Bger: I gotta go. Any thoughts about those patches? |
| 20:04:17 | lostlogic | Slasheri: all of the fucntions except for pause that I unified were identical any way |
| 20:04:17 | lostlogic | and pause has critical features which must be the same on all targets and which are not hardware specific |
| 20:04:17 | lostlogic | so yes. |
| 20:04:17 | Bger | carini i'll commit the target one |
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| 20:04:17 | Slasheri | yep, true. but it has also many functions which are not identical with other platforms so the code is full of ifdefs |
| 20:04:17 | carini | Bger: Cool. Is something wrong with the sim one? |
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| 20:04:17 | Bger | nothing, just havent looked at it yet |
| 20:04:34 | carini | OK. Leave a comment in the patch if I need to fix something. Thanks! |
| 20:04:34 | lostlogic | Slasheri: it would be reasonable to write the target specific code that is used in pause as static inlines in the larger target sections, or in a separate file, but the structure of the function should be shared. |
| 20:04:51 | Bger | k |
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| 20:07:17 | Nico_P | wtf ? i "don't have permission" to run "../tools/configure" |
| 20:07:27 | lostlogic | Nico_P: chmod +x ../tools/configure |
| 20:07:45 | Nico_P | :D |
| 20:07:50 | Nico_P | i'm such a noob |
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| 20:13:51 | Nico_P | ok another prob... :( |
| 20:13:51 | Nico_P | gcc -g scramble.o iriver.o -o scramble |
| 20:13:51 | Nico_P | scramble.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 20:13:51 | Nico_P | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 20:13:51 | Nico_P | bbs |
| 20:18:40 | arf-arf | Nico_P, when you find the answer to that one, can you post a reply: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38624&page=9 |
| 20:18:53 | arf-arf | I've had the same thing myself |
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| 20:21:38 | Nico_P | arf-arf: i tried to compile from files i had checked out from cygwin |
| 20:21:38 | Nico_P | i just copied them |
| 20:21:38 | Nico_P | apparently it's not a good idea |
| 20:21:38 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 20:21:38 | Nico_P | i just checked the files out again |
| 20:25:27 | Nico_P | how do i get sdl ? |
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| 20:28:51 | Bger | lostlogic i've got more builds than u :P |
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| 20:32:26 | lostlogic | Bger: :-P |
| 20:32:26 | dpro | Nico_P: sdl .. ah for the emulator "apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev" |
| 20:32:26 | Bger | Tell Brandon other tests he should take! hahaha |
| 20:33:00 | lostlogic | oh dear, they're reading the website. |
| 20:33:10 | lostlogic | it's broken still, isn't it? links on the left are all stupid? |
| 20:33:12 | Nico_P | dpro: thanks |
| 20:33:44 | Bger | lostlogic haha yes, but the statusbar is enough for me :P |
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| 20:38:23 | ep0ch | lostlogic: hi, i've think i've just discovered a bug with playback (not related to your recent changes though) |
| 20:39:09 | Kyomi | I dont know if this has been fixed yet.... but why when I push the >> button to go to the next song it takes like 4 seconds? |
| 20:39:09 | Kyomi | And the song keeps playing |
| 20:39:14 | lostlogic | ep0ch: tell me about it, hoepfully it's on the list of things that my various future refactorings will fix\ |
| 20:39:14 | Kyomi | Shouldn't it be like...instant? |
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| 20:39:41 | scott318 | hi all |
| 20:39:57 | lostlogic | Kyomi: that's roughly on the list of things likely to be fixed in my current efforts |
| 20:41:27 | ep0ch | lostlogic: to summarize the first track in one my folders is called "Intro" and it is just 4 seconds long (about 57 kb), it doesnt get played, instead it jumps to the next track |
| 20:41:27 | ep0ch | lostlogic: i'm sure it used to work a long time ago |
| 20:41:27 | lostlogic | ep0ch: beats me why that would be, you sure it's a valid file of whatever format it is? |
| 20:41:27 | lostlogic | hmph |
| 20:41:27 | ep0ch | yeah am listening to it now on my laptop |
| 20:41:27 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ep0ch |
| 20:41:27 | ep0ch | tried it on both ihp and video |
| 20:41:27 | lostlogic | ep0ch: do the stock firmwares play it? |
| 20:41:53 | ep0ch | lostlogic: its Vorbis, please please don't make me go into stock iriver firmware :s |
| 20:42:06 | lostlogic | ep0ch: run an ogginfo -v on it |
| 20:42:21 | scott318 | 1 quick question (hope i'm not interrupting): i love rockbox on my ipod 5g, but is there a way to sort files by id3 tag info, not file name? |
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| 20:43:21 | scott318 | (i don;t care boot the ipod db) |
| 20:43:21 | ep0ch | lostlogic: any idea when you first commited the revised playback changes? |
| 20:43:21 | lostlogic | scott318: there's the current tagdb and tagcache is being worked on |
| 20:43:21 | lostlogic | ep0ch: I've been doing incremental changes for the past few days |
| 20:43:21 | scott318 | lostlogic: thanks! is there anything I can do to help, test, etc. |
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| 20:43:53 | lostlogic | scott318: talk to slasheri about the tagcache, but he might be frustrated by being asked about it as often as he is :) |
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| 20:44:22 | scott318 | lostlogic: k i will lol |
| 20:44:37 | ep0ch | lostlogic: i mean the first changes you made, when you took over from Slasheri :) |
| 20:44:51 | lostlogic | oh, jeeze, not a clue |
| 20:44:58 | ep0ch | hmm |
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| 20:46:12 | lostlogic | lunchtime, back later |
| 20:51:40 | ep0ch | lostlogic: yeah stock f/w plays it on iriver |
| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | ../tools/configure: line 1019: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found |
| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path! |
| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the |
| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | WARNING: checks we want now. |
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| 20:51:40 | lostlogic | ep0ch: does it attempt to play it all (show its name? for how long?) or just skip right over it? |
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| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | it worked fine before... |
| 20:51:40 | ep0ch | just skips it completely, i'm sure it worked with slasheri's playback code, so i'm trying to role back. enjoy your lunch :) |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | Nico_P: you need to set the path correctly |
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| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | how do i do that ? |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | since it worked before, you should know :) |
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| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | i did do "export PATH=/home/linus/sh1/bin:$PATH", adapted to my system |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | yeah, that's what you want to run |
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| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | it worked, and then it stopped working |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | that's because you're in another terminal now |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | it's a per session setting only |
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| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | ah |
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| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | you may want to put it in ~/.bashrc or whatever cygwin uses |
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| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | i'm not on cygwin anymore |
| 20:51:40 | *** | Alert Mode level 7 |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | what are you in? |
| 20:51:40 | *** | Alert Mode level 8 |
| 20:51:40 | Nico_P | kubuntu |
| 20:51:40 | *** | Alert Mode level 9 |
| 20:51:40 | Mikachu | ah sorry, i just assumed you were on windows since everyone here seems to be :) |
| 20:51:41 | *** | Alert Mode level 10 |
| 20:51:41 | Nico_P | i was but i changed today |
| 20:51:41 | *** | Alert Mode level 11 |
| 20:51:41 | Mikachu | then it should most likely be the file i wrote |
| 20:51:41 | *** | Alert Mode level 12 |
| 20:51:41 | Nico_P | i'm a pretty big linux noob |
| 20:51:41 | *** | Alert Mode level 13 |
| 20:51:41 | Nico_P | yeah i have it, i'll add the line |
| 20:52:14 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 21:03:16 | Nico_P | does someone have the latest scroll margins patch ? |
| 21:03:16 | Nico_P | flyspray isn't accessible right now |
| 21:05:29 | Paprica | Nico_P, try again |
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| 21:05:38 | Nico_P | yes i spole too soon |
| 21:05:40 | Nico_P | spoke |
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| 21:17:45 | Kyomi | Hehe |
| 21:18:03 | Kyomi | So they did add the option to have the first key press get backlight on |
| 21:18:16 | Kyomi | But now I'm use to just hitting record to get the backlight on XD |
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| 21:24:22 | lostlogic | ep0ch: it's not like I've rewritten the playback code or anything, it's still Slasheri's... I'm just refactoring it for thread safety and stuff |
| 21:26:14 | preglow | and hooray for that |
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| 21:28:11 | Kyomi | hmmm |
| 21:28:14 | Kyomi | rockbox.org go down? |
| 21:28:25 | Kyomi | It's getting picky now |
| 21:29:36 | preglow | works just fine here |
| 21:30:48 | ep0ch | seems to be up and down |
| 21:33:53 | Kyomi | I should probably get the update now |
| 21:33:53 | Kyomi | Since the last one I have is 3/23 |
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| 21:34:17 | iJason | Hi |
| 21:35:26 | iJason | When making your own progress bar for the wps's, what do you need to do so it "fills" correctly during song playback? |
| 21:37:24 | MarcoPolo | i'm looking a rockbox wiki pages about rockbox architecture and they are very nice to read |
| 21:38:42 | iJason | yea, i want to make my own killer wps, im just experimenting modifying some of the basic wps;s |
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| 21:49:01 | MarcoPolo | why can't rockbox go in disk mode without switching to apple disk mode ? |
| 21:49:12 | preglow | because we have no disk mode of our own |
| 21:49:18 | preglow | we don't know how it works |
| 21:49:44 | preglow | we have no documentation on the ipod, so we have to dig through the code of the original os to find out how it works first, and that's a lot of work |
| 21:50:39 | MarcoPolo | preglow: ok, I understand :) (i'm trying to understand the code) So usb_slave_mode() never gets called for ipod |
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| 21:52:24 | preglow | i don't quite know, i'm not too familiar with that part of the code |
| 21:52:53 | MarcoPolo | preglow: ok |
| 21:54:16 | MarcoPolo | preglow: how can I find documentation about the hexadecimal adresses I can find in the code ? where did you get'em from ? |
| 21:54:46 | preglow | MarcoPolo: we got them from ipodlinux, and the reason they haven't given them descpritive names, is that they don't really know what all of them do... |
| 21:55:05 | preglow | MarcoPolo: like i said, we have absolutely no docs on the portalplayer chip at all, all we know comes from reverse engineering |
| 21:55:42 | MarcoPolo | preglow: so you have done a really nice job ! |
| 21:57:29 | preglow | heh, thanks |
| 21:57:41 | preglow | the ipodlinux guys deserve a lot of the credit, though |
| 21:57:51 | MarcoPolo | yes :) |
| 21:57:51 | preglow | weren't it for them, there would be no ipod rockbox |
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| 21:58:31 | MarcoPolo | preglow: how did you learn programming hardware ? (I ask you this question because I want to try ;)) |
| 21:59:39 | Kyomi | Hey.. do you think that rockbox could emulate c64 on an iRiver H320? |
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| 22:00:38 | preglow | MarcoPolo: basically by just programming hardware, if you already can program, just get some hardware and start coding |
| 22:01:00 | preglow | i didn't have much embedded programming experience before starting to code for rockbox |
| 22:01:15 | preglow | and i think that's about a bit over a year ago |
| 22:01:16 | MarcoPolo | preglow: and in reverse engineering ? |
| 22:01:39 | preglow | MarcoPolo: i haven't done very much reverse engineering, but yeah, if you know assembler language for the cpu in question, then that isn't too hard either |
| 22:01:40 | MarcoPolo | preglow: ok, i already can program (rather ui programming for KDE) |
| 22:01:53 | MarcoPolo | preglow: ok |
| 22:01:56 | Kyomi | KDE? |
| 22:02:18 | MarcoPolo | Kyomi: k desktop environment (for linux) |
| 22:02:32 | Kyomi | I can program some in java :) |
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| 22:07:46 | BHSPitMonkey | Kyomi: that won't do you much good in Rockbox |
| 22:07:57 | sharpe | i'm back from my trip! |
| 22:10:08 | sharpe | and i did not realize i forgot to get my copy of the rockbox source on my usb drive instead of just the cvs, so i acomplished nothing! :) |
| 22:10:08 | ep0ch | lostlogic: ok wierd, i tried a 5 month old build and rockbox moans about a codec failure on that particular file. Now i'm intrigued why rockbox wont play it... |
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| 22:10:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:13:14 | MrStaticVoid | so who do i talk to to put my idle server to work (see /topic) |
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| 22:23:57 | preglow | MrStaticVoid: Bagder og t0mas |
| 22:23:59 | preglow | or |
| 22:25:22 | ep0ch | oh it looks like the rockbox vorbis codec wont play files that are less than 4 seconds long |
| 22:25:33 | Bagder | MrStaticVoid: seen this => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer |
| 22:25:47 | MrStaticVoid | yeah, ive already set everything up |
| 22:25:52 | Bagder | cool |
| 22:26:33 | MrStaticVoid | i just need the public key, the acbuild.pl script, and you guys to say "ok" |
| 22:26:51 | Bagder | I'll paste you the key in a /msg |
| 22:26:58 | Bger | Bagder what is/was up with the www.rockbox.org (aka cool.haxx.se) ? |
| 22:27:47 | Bagder | eh? |
| 22:28:28 | Bger | very slow connections all day ... |
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| 22:30:38 | preglow | Bagder: you haven't reached the limit where the connection wont cope yet? |
| 22:31:03 | preglow | and btw, what's up with the latest build... |
| 22:32:32 | Bagder | there seems to be a problem with at least one server and the script doesn't deal with it nicely |
| 22:35:27 | Bagder | unfortunately there isn't yet a very good main log to display these kinds of things |
| 22:35:53 | Bger | Bagder i think these were connection problems ... |
| 22:36:16 | preglow | hehe |
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| 22:37:30 | Bagder | it seems unlikely to me |
| 22:38:16 | Bger | Bagder believe me or not, not only me experienced problems with www.rockbox.org, with cvs and etc... see the irc log ... |
| 22:38:17 | dpro | where can I tell rochbox to treat .c and .h files as .txt ? |
| 22:38:33 | Bagder | I believe you, its not about that |
| 22:38:50 | Bagder | the builds are done by outgoing connections from the server |
| 22:39:03 | preglow | might have had trouble that way too |
| 22:39:08 | Bagder | sure |
| 22:39:13 | Bagder | just unlikely |
| 22:40:45 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:40:45 | * | amiconn reappears |
| 22:41:14 | Bger | dpro there was something like viewers.conf ... |
| 22:41:19 | Bger | in the .rockbox dir |
| 22:41:39 | dpro | Bger: thx will have a look |
| 22:42:03 | Bagder | in what ways did you experience connection problems? |
| 22:43:15 | dpro | Bger: hmmm can't seem to find it ... |
| 22:43:28 | dpro | ahhh got it |
| 22:43:30 | Bger | Bagder timeouts ... |
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| 22:44:44 | Bger | sometimes 100% lost packets 3-4 hops from www.rockbox.org |
| 22:44:47 | webguest25 | I too had problems earlier today.. connection would go away for about 30-60 seconds and come back for a minute |
| 22:44:51 | Bagder | well, my ssh connections to it has lived all day |
| 22:45:04 | webguest25 | A traceroute died somewhere in swip.net iirc |
| 22:45:20 | Bger | yep, something like this |
| 22:45:39 | dpro | hehe now browsing the source tree on a nano ;) |
| 22:45:44 | MarcoPolo | Sometimes variables are modified and it launches interrupts or so on ... how does it work ? |
| 22:45:50 | Bger | haha dpro |
| 22:46:39 | amiconn | dpro: Now make rockbox compile on th enano itself ;) |
| 22:46:45 | dpro | though now I can reproduce the bug that was mentioned here last night (textviewer uses only 1/3 of the screen width) |
| 22:46:54 | Mikachu | you could do that pretty easily with ipl probably (for some values of easy) |
| 22:46:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | We need a gcc and a make .rock |
| 22:46:56 | dpro | amiconn: np with ipodlinux ;) |
| 22:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the rest of the tools |
| 22:47:24 | dpro | paul: and a slightly more efficient textentry mechanism |
| 22:47:38 | webguest25 | well good luck compiling gcc for arm on uclinux... |
| 22:47:59 | webguest25 | the way gcc is maintained I'd say the chances are slim |
| 22:48:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: What, morse code isn't good enough for you? |
| 22:50:28 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Some people seem to *require* vi for proper coding... |
| 22:50:59 | amiconn | Now if someone can come up with a decent button mapping for vibox... |
| 22:51:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm of the opinion you work with the tools you've got. |
| 22:52:14 | dpro | paul: hehe |
| 22:52:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Morse code, and a single line display should be plenty |
| 22:52:40 | dpro | guys gotta go, ttyl |
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| 22:54:44 | amiconn | Somehow I doubt that gcc would run well enough to be able to build rockbox. Not without virtual memory |
| 22:57:43 | Bger | 32MB ... i doubt it too |
| 22:58:01 | Bger | even 64MB on iPod Video ... |
| 22:59:41 | amiconn | When I ran my VM with a total of 448MB memory (192MB physical + 256MB swap), compilation failed in z80.c. "Not enough virtual memory" |
| 22:59:51 | amiconn | Upping to 512MB solved the problem |
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| 23:01:21 | Mikachu | hrm, i ran ulimit -v 32000 and make finished without problems |
| 23:01:35 | Mikachu | tail -f /dev/full complained about no memory right away though |
| 23:02:35 | amiconn | Did you try a full rebuild? |
| 23:02:38 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 23:02:43 | Mikachu | i'm a bit suspicious though |
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| 23:05:20 | Mikachu | hm, it only seems to use 20M |
| 23:06:43 | amiconn | Hmm, even z80.c? |
| 23:06:50 | amiconn | (It's part of pacbox) |
| 23:07:00 | Mikachu | my method of looking at top while building isn't very scientific since it only updates every 2 seconds |
| 23:07:20 | Mikachu | well, setting 12000 fails |
| 23:07:23 | webguest25 | you can make it update faster |
| 23:07:38 | webguest25 | though I forget the command |
| 23:07:58 | Mikachu | 22000 seems to compile too, not z80 yet |
| 23:08:18 | Mikachu | which is strange considering amiconns numbers |
| 23:08:58 | Mikachu | z80 built with 22000 too |
| 23:09:30 | Mikachu | but i guess that doesn't include loaded binary sizes and stuff |
| 23:09:38 | Mikachu | and glibc would already be loaded by other programs |
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| 23:10:04 | Bger | nite ;) |
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| 23:16:07 | Febs_ | exit |
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| 23:44:40 | Bagder | anyone with a commit pending? |
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| 23:47:25 | preglow | depends what time-frame you're talking :> |
| 23:47:34 | Bagder | 20 minutes or so |
| 23:47:42 | preglow | ah, no |
| 23:47:46 | preglow | heavy maintainance coming up? |
| 23:47:53 | Bagder | I did some script changes and added a server and wanted to see it working before I get to bed |
| 23:48:33 | preglow | hmm, can't think of anything i can commit right now |
| 23:48:33 | Bagder | I'll see what can dig up... |
| 23:49:41 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4719 :) |
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| 23:51:12 | MrStaticVoid | you can swap the play and record button keys in button.h for the x5. thats an obvious problem. |
| 23:52:06 | Bagder | problem for what? |
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| 23:53:31 | MrStaticVoid | pressing the rec button on the x5 generates 0x2 which is defined as BUTTON_PLAY in button.h. That is a problem, isnt it? |
| 23:54:12 | MrStaticVoid | likewise pressing play generates what is defined as BUTTON_REC |
| 23:54:56 | Bagder | oh |
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| 23:57:54 | ThommyRocky | HI |
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| 23:58:05 | ThommyRocky | Is there a Sim 4 IPOD 5g? |
| 23:58:56 | preglow | yes |
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