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#rockbox log for 2006-03-25

00:00:04preglowdpassen1: no, not yet, i just coded it
00:00:18preglowdpassen1: that describes the crossfeed i use
00:00:31preglowdpassen1: that is, that guy more or less designed the whole thing, i just code it
00:01:59dpassen1I'm sure I speak for more than myself when I say thank you.
00:02:18tucozquite impressive research made I must say
00:03:11tucozgood night
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00:12:28lImbuswhat about those bass shakers ?
00:12:38lImbusthere are some on ebay for not much money
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00:26:18preglowamiconn: doesn't look like our bug'll be fixed anytime soon
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00:30:53afruff23does doom work for the X5 yet?
00:31:04Mikachupreglow: can i see the piezo patch?
00:31:11preglowMikachu: gimme a sec
00:31:32Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Has the Doom patch been updated?
00:31:44afruff23I don't think so
00:32:06afruff23but I haven't heard offical reports
00:32:14afruff23just first-time rockbox users
00:32:14Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Well, if there's not an update to it saying "X5 support" I'd imagine that if it wasn't working before and it hasn't changed, it wouldn't be working now
00:32:23Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: You do know where the Doom patch is, right?
00:32:33afruff23the tracker
00:32:43afruff23under patches
00:32:49Paul_The_NerdSince it's not in Rockbox, that's where you can expect to see "official" updates as to whether it's changed.
00:33:46afruff23No, I thought doom didn't work for the X5 since the users are inexperienced and din't know how toget it to work
00:33:55afruff23my sources are from iaudiophile
00:35:00Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: So, what did you want to know again? You're being told it doesn't work, it hasn't been updated to say it does work, and you aren't trying it yourself to figure out if it's just because people have applied it wrong or if it needs changes?'
00:36:04afruff23some people on iaudiophi;e are not that computer literate though
00:36:22Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: So, why don't you try out the patch then?
00:37:03afruff23because rockbox says the current firmware is for devlopers only
00:37:06afruff23(for the X5)
00:37:14afruff23and I can't play music
00:37:24afruff23and my download hangs at 19%
00:37:25Paul_The_NerdYou can remove it after, though
00:37:34afruff23for the compiler they suggest
00:37:47afruff23I know, but I use my music quite often
00:37:58Paul_The_NerdThen what does it matter if Doom works, anyway?
00:38:24Paul_The_NerdOr rather, why are you so eager that you mistrust the reports there, *and* the fact that the last update to the patch was before the X5 was supported by RB?
00:38:26afruff23it hangs all 3 tiems I've tried it(from different servers)
00:38:53afruff23I thought soem code was non-player specific
00:39:00preglowMikachu: hack alert
00:39:36Mikachuwgets speed calc isn't very accurate if the download is subsecond... 00:39:18 (85.38 MB/s) - `wheelbeep.patch' saved [1880/1880]
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00:40:05Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Some code is. But, not all code. And I asked why you're so eager and distrusting of reports. If they can't get it working, and you're not going to use it even if it does, does it matter if they're right or wrong?
00:40:29Mikachupreglow: which of the numbers in set pitch is the pitch?
00:40:34Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Especially since you've already admitted you can't compile yourself, so even if it *does* work, you wouldn't be able to use it until it entered CVS, at which point there would be clear documentation on which targets it works on.
00:41:10preglowMikachu: it's got a comment saying pitch
00:41:16preglowMikachu: and btw, it's not pitch, it's period
00:41:23preglowMikachu: so the smaller the number, the whinier the pitch
00:41:26afruff23I can't compile it, but my friend can
00:41:31afruff23why waste his time?
00:41:33Mikachuah, okay, so the 0x30 then?
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00:42:04Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Because then you actually know for sure. Why *not* test it?
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00:43:16Mikachuafruff23: and you're not wasting anyone's time now?
00:43:47afruff23if you have other things to do, then i don't mind
00:44:27Mikachupreglow: i understand, you enable the piezo for two ticks and then disable it
00:44:29Mikachu<- genius
00:44:34Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: I would recommend assuming it doesn't work, since you're unwilling to test "developer only" software
00:44:47Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Rockbox probably will say developer only for well over a year for the X5
00:45:08Paul_The_NerdIt did for a long time for H120
00:45:13afruff23it only says developer only ebcause of no audio playback and no dual-boot
00:45:45Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: No, it says developer only because it's not release-ready yet. iPod was recommended for developers only when it had sound *and* dual boot
00:45:53linuxstbafruff23: Doom will at least need button mappings added for the X5 - it won't compile without them.
00:46:19afruff23finally, a clear answer
00:46:24afruff23thanx linuxstb
00:46:50Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: That doesn't tell you anything. Button mappings can be done in 30 seconds, and then you're back not knowing if it works.
00:47:08afruff23but I wouldn't know how to map buttons
00:47:16afruff23and the guy has yet to update it
00:47:39Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: I could update it with button mappings, I did it for iPod at one point, but it doesn't matter since you're not willing to compile anyway.
00:48:00afruff23I am as long as it's worth my friend's time
00:48:13Paul_The_NerdI thought you already declared it wasn't worth his time
00:48:15afruff23he's impatient
00:48:26*preglow hands Mikachu the golden hat of understanding
00:48:29afruff23If I am sure it would work, then it would be
00:48:39Paul_The_NerdBut you're not
00:48:46Paul_The_NerdAll I could guarantee was that it would compile
00:48:49afruff23that's why I asked to begin with
00:48:50Paul_The_NerdThat tells you nothing
00:49:01preglowMikachu: one tick sounded too weird for me, so i made it two
00:49:32Paul_The_NerdAfruff23: Someone with the hardware has to test it. Karl doesn't have an X5 as far as I know. Neither do I. Clearly you're unwilling to actually attempt to forward the effort, so I honestly suggest you just wait until the patch itself updates and says the X5 is supported
00:50:21Mikachupreglow: ahah, so you had a hat after all
00:50:30Paul_The_NerdHeck, I'm a little irritated that Karl's gone and completely recoded the thing. With that necessary prboom.wad, and the "Oh, it doesn't work on iPods again" bit.
00:50:40linuxstbThinking about it, Doom probably won't work on the X5 because it needs a working audio driver.
00:51:13linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I agree. I was about 30 minutes away from committing the first version, and then he appeared on IRC with version 2.
00:52:05Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: That was horribly frustrating for me, because I was in the process of talking about 5 people in different places including the new maintainer of H300 optimized through patching Doom into a build, and suddenly my statement of "download the newest .zip and .diff" ended up not working for most of them. :)
00:52:29preglowMikachu: it's golden, you can't eat gold
00:52:36Mikachuah right
00:52:36preglowMikachu: besides, it's yours now
00:52:48Mikachuunless if it's pure gold, that's pretty soft
00:52:57Mikachuyou could probably get it down with some strong acids
00:53:18stationwhich .codec file in .rockbox/codecs/ corresponds to mp3
00:53:24preglowstation: mpa
00:53:42*Mikachu tries adding piezo sound effects to brickmania for fun
00:53:42*linuxstb discovers a 600x600 JPEG cover art image inside the track he bought from the itunes music store
00:54:07afruff23isn't that a bit big
00:54:16Mikachuyou could have a party on that jpeg with all your friends
00:54:24linuxstbThe JPEG file is highly compressed - about 46KB.
00:54:26Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Every time the ball connects with something?
00:55:41Mikachuhooray, it worked
00:55:48MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: i added it to firing now to test
00:56:18*Paul_The_Nerd thinks that little piezo buzz is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil
00:56:40Mikachupreglow's code doesn't sound at all like apple's
00:57:24MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: i'm having some trouble finding the place where ball coords are checked, brickmania is basically 2000 lines of uncommented nested for and if statements
00:57:25preglowMikachu: no, i didn't try making it sound like it either
00:57:31preglowMikachu: it uses a different freq, for one
00:57:32Mikachui know, just saying
00:57:39preglowMikachu: try adjusting it to more like 0x80
00:57:43preglowMikachu: i think that sounds more like iot
00:57:44*afruff23 thinks hotmail's spam filter is garbage
00:57:59Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Yeah, I've seen it. It scares me.
00:58:35Mikachuwe should force Paprica to do some commenting
00:59:28afruff23any links to piezo documentation?
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01:01:04Paul_The_Nerd"documentation" + "ipod feature" is unlikely
01:01:55Mikachubouncing at top edge = one sound, firing lazors = other sound
01:01:56Mikachumuch success
01:02:23Paul_The_NerdNow do voice!
01:02:34MikachuZoide777: uh, it's a bit incomplete...
01:02:35Zoide777that would be the fastest feature addition ever
01:02:41Mikachuand i'm not a devel
01:02:47Mikachuand it probably only works on nano, preglow?
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01:02:55afruff23as in what is piexo sound effects exactly?
01:03:10Mikachuit is the builtin speaker element in the ipods
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01:03:38Mikachuit's a piece of metal that changes shape when you put voltage over it
01:03:44Mikachuchanging shape == emitting sound
01:04:11Mikachui wonder what .tempy and .tempx is
01:04:11preglowMikachu: nah, should work on most newer ipods
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01:04:27preglowbut don't commit it
01:04:43Mikachui can't, don't worry :)
01:04:49preglowahh, right
01:04:59preglowi can't remember who's bloody commiters in here anymore
01:05:04Mikachui talk too much for a user
01:05:15Mikachuhooray, found the code where blocks are destroyed
01:05:22Mikachuif (brick[i*10+j].hits > 0) {
01:05:31Mikachui think...
01:06:02Mikachuoh god, i just realized to what extent this code is ugly :)
01:06:40Zoide777from your dereminds me of some ti-basic games...
01:08:02*BoD[] is working on a "scifi / old green terminal" theme for the ipod
01:08:12Mikachuthat if statement is in 5 places in the code, one for each edge of the block that can be hit, and one more i can't figure out yet
01:08:20Mikachuoh, maybe for firing
01:08:38BoD[]but now is the time to dodo :)
01:08:42BoD[]good night all
01:08:47Zoide777bye bod
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01:11:16Mikachuhooray, sounds on block destruction
01:11:25Mikachuthis is starting to sound like impact for atari if anyone's played that :)
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01:17:25eEye_does anybody have an iaudio x5?
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01:24:06Mikachupreglow: :)
01:24:16Mikachusorry for the noise in the patch
01:24:28preglowMikachu: what's it do...
01:24:41Mikachusound when the ball hits stuff
01:26:11preglowgotta try that out
01:28:04Mikachui think i catched all the cases of stopping the piezo, but i can't promise it
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01:29:15lImbusJungti1234: y0, bad bad
01:29:34lImbuskill it :-)
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01:31:49Mikachui hope you disabled your button beeping first
01:32:08Mikachuor maybe it won't interfere in 2 ticks anyway
01:32:15preglowi disabled it, yeah
01:32:19Mikachumy ticks aren't exactly ticks, just game frames
01:32:51preglowbrickmania on h100 is almost unplayable
01:32:54preglowthanks to the lcd slowness
01:33:08preglowcan't see what the different bonuses are
01:33:11preglowi keep running into d's
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01:35:56Mikachui've already finished the game :)
01:35:59scottderWhen you pause and un pause it kinda of ramps the volume on and off,,,can that feature be shut off in prefs?
01:36:09preglowyou can finish it? :>
01:36:15Mikachuyeah, there are only 30 levels or so
01:36:25eEye_does anyone have an iaudio x5?
01:36:28scottderMikachu: wheere?
01:36:34Mikachuwith absolute controlling with the wheel, it's actually possible to play
01:36:41Mikachuscottder: er, somewhere, dig around
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01:36:49Kohlrabi<eEye_> does anybody have an iaudio x5? | <afruff23> me
01:36:51preglowMikachu: absolute controlling?
01:37:03preglowMikachu: as in moves to an absolute position as according to the wheel?
01:37:07scottderAh found it
01:37:09Mikachuyeah it checks where your finger is and puts the pad in that palce
01:37:20KohlrabiHe left, sorry
01:37:22preglowMikachu: fancy-ass, why's that not in cvs?
01:37:28Mikachupreglow: ask lostlogic :)
01:37:32preglowlostlogic: !
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01:39:05unhcrhey you guys
01:39:08unhcrgreat work on the X5
01:39:13unhcris anyone here who is working on it?
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01:39:34interestediaudioeEye_: I've got an X5. Why?
01:40:02preglowunhcr: mno
01:40:15preglowi don't believe any iaudio people are here now
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01:40:26unhcrah okay
01:40:35unhcri wanted to know if the audio driver is being tested any time soon
01:41:44preglowi have no idea
01:41:46scottderMikachu: it was in system settings
01:41:50preglowlinus is in charge of that stuff
01:42:05Mikachupreglow: you saw the tracker url i guess
01:42:09preglowMikachu: aye
01:42:25unhcrah okay
01:42:25preglowi'm working on other stuff now, though, so am not allowing myself to even try, heh
01:42:31preglowi like brickmania style games too much
01:42:32Mikachuokay :)
01:42:37dbzdeathhey can someone please help me? my iriver h340 sort of froze and i can't turn the power off using the power off button
01:42:45Mikachuit also makes pacbox a lot less hard on your fingers
01:42:48preglowdbzdeath: what about the reset pin
01:43:20preglow(h3x0 does have a reset button, yeah?)
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01:43:39dbzdeathhmm maybe
01:43:47preglowsmall hole in the bottom of the unit
01:44:03preglowyou've gotta get something small to stuff in there and press a small button
01:44:07dbzdeathi see it
01:44:10preglowjust be careful
01:44:21preglowif you break that button, you have no means to reset it again
01:44:46dbzdeathdoes that actually reset?
01:45:03preglowhard reset
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01:45:04dbzdeathjust hold it in?
01:45:09preglowsmall press will do
01:45:14preglowdon't need to hold
01:45:43eEye_interestediaudio, how do you like your x5?
01:46:07preglowfrom the nick, i'd guess he's about to set fire to it while yelling "i hate you"
01:46:17interestediaudioQuite a bit, actually.
01:46:29dbzdeathpreglow: oh thank you so much! you're a life saver... i have a long road trip to go on right now :) cya
01:46:44preglowdbzdeath: you're welcome
01:46:51preglowdbzdeath: bring the reset thing along with you :)
01:46:59dbzdeathyeah :)
01:47:17interestediaudioCowon's being a pain in the butt about the firmware updates (hence my interest in Rockbox), but I like the player itself, and the mass-storage is a lifesaver.
01:47:27Mikachuany twig on the ground will do
01:47:35eEye_interestediaudio, i just got one
01:47:52eEye_i have a question though, when i have it hooked up through usb is it charging?
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01:48:14eEye_isnt it supposed to say its charging? and can i transfer files and charge at the same time?
01:49:10interestediaudioeEye_, only when it is off. If it's connected through USB and it says "connected", it's not charging. The best way to tell if it's charging is the light at the top.
01:50:15lImbusI wonder why so many people register with the wiki but do not modify or write a single page...
01:50:29interestediaudioYou can transfer files and charge, but not both through USB. If you plug in both the AC adapter and the USB cord, you can charge while transferring.
01:50:48eEye_ahh ok
01:50:49eEye_i see
01:50:54lImbusI used the wiki for a while before registering. And I registered the moment I wrote my first article/change
01:51:03eEye_thanks interestediaudio
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01:51:10eEye_also, is rockbox working for the x5?
01:51:42MikachuPaprica: the Paused text isn't cleared from the screen when you unpause in tetrox
01:52:13eEye_interestiaudio, about the firmware.. which version should I run?
01:52:31eEye_sorry for all the questions but im new to the x5
01:52:56lImbuseEye_: everybody is new to the x5 :-)
01:53:39eEye_how so? ;)
01:54:06lImbuswell, it's only a few days that the bootloader is working
01:54:28eEye_i see.. you mean with rockbox
01:54:45lImbusand only very few have such a device LinusN and Moos from what I know
01:54:55eEye_so its fully usable with rockbox now?
01:54:59eEye_or more needs to be done
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01:55:07lImbusa lot more needs to be done
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01:55:14lImbusit's not even yet playing music
01:57:29Kohlriba<lImbus> I wonder why so many people register with the wiki but do not modify or write a single page... | people got used to instant-click on registration buttons beacuse of all these mandatory-registration-forums ;)
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01:58:17lImbusI refrain from adding a comment or correcting a fact somewhere when I need to register
01:58:39lImbus(impressive how many people a peeking the log continuosly :-)
01:59:04XavierGrThere is a big chance that I won an H115!
01:59:11lImbusreally ?
01:59:23interestediaudiothe fw? Well, there's a new korean version out, it's the finalization of the v10. It allows for video resume.
01:59:26lImbusor is it a spam mail saying ?
01:59:31XavierGryeah on MR. There was a subscriber giveaway contest
01:59:32lImbuscongratz then
01:59:42XavierGrthanks! :D
02:00:13interestediaudioIf you want DRM (you shouldn't), there were some 10betas under the English version that worked with drm.
02:00:47interestediaudioBTW: The korean version isn't actually in Korean, it is just the area the firmware has been tailored for. (Koreans don't use Windows Media DRM.)
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02:21:54interestediaudioHow long after the iaudio audio driver release will it show up on the main wikipedia?
02:22:02interestediaudioOr-on the iaudio port wikipedia.
02:22:23XavierGrinstantly I would say.
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02:22:36XavierGrmost of the times when something big happens the wiki is updated
02:23:10BHSPitLappyinterestediaudio: there is only -one- wikipedia (
02:23:27interestediaudioSorry. Word slip. Wiki.
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02:34:44Zoide777Mikachu: dues your brickmania piezo patch work by itself or does it require applying a piezo patch first?
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03:14:00SamAdamhey all
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03:15:30SamAdamipod, 5g, rockbox bootloader, how do to switch to retal OS?
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03:17:25SamAdamscratch that
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03:30:24Paul_The_NerdAnyone here who has made a wps recently? Specifically, it says that one of the %pb variables is height, but I don't know if that means "how tall" or "y coordinate"
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03:35:22KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: Any luck on getting the next song info to work when the next song is in another dir?
03:36:18Paul_The_NerdKyomi: I think that the current way playlists work prevents that from happening, because when you're playing in directory mode the next song isn't in the current playlist. But don't quote me, I don't know much about that bug.
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03:49:44creidikione quick question: what should i set the buffer to for max battery life?
03:49:57Paul_The_Nerdcreidiki: The anti-skip buffer?
03:50:24Paul_The_NerdAs low as you can.
03:50:50creidikik, thought as much, thnx :)
03:51:14Paul_The_NerdAs far as I know, the anti-skip buffer level sets the point at which it spins up the HD to refill the compressed audio buffer. The lower you set it, the later it waits before spinning up, and the less often it needs to refill
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03:54:22cariniecho //$prefix
03:55:19enzymei need help loading themes on my ipod
03:55:34Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: What problem are you having?
03:55:52enzymethe wps files are not loading
03:55:56enzymei have the 5g
03:56:17cariniecho //$snicks
03:56:32Paul_The_NerdThe .wps files and the bitmap folders that share their names are in the /.rockbox/wps folder, and the .cfg files are in /.rockbox/themes?
03:57:45Paul_The_NerdDoes it give an error message?
03:57:47Paul_The_NerdDoes the theme change at all?
03:58:06enzymeit says it loads it on but nothing changes
03:58:29Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: No font changes, and when you play music the screen isn't any different?
03:59:29enzymeok thnks fixed it
03:59:35Paul_The_NerdWhat was wrong?
04:01:08enzymehow come the backdrop doesnt go through out all of the menues
04:01:28Paul_The_NerdWhich menus isn't it in?
04:01:43enzymeit only works on the play screen
04:01:51Paul_The_NerdOh, then they've only set a WPS backdrop
04:02:01enzymebut i had one that had the same back drop on all of the menu settings
04:02:01Paul_The_NerdYou can set a WPS backdrop and a Menu backdrop separately in a theme
04:02:18Paul_The_NerdThe menu backdrop .bmp needs to be in the /.rockbox/backdrops folder
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04:21:17cariniWhat's the best way to get a patch committed?
04:21:44Paul_The_NerdWrite the patch, submit it to the tracker, then come in here and see if there's any devs who are willing to let you know if they see anything wrong with it.
04:22:09cariniOK, I've done the first two parts.
04:22:32cariniAlso, which was useful for testing 4913.
04:23:24Paul_The_NerdAlright, well now you'd have to wait for someone with commit access to be around and ask them what they think
04:23:33Paul_The_NerdUnfortunately, I think most of them aren't here right now
04:24:41cariniOK, thanks for the help. Are there times when committers are more likely to be here?
04:25:44Paul_The_NerdWell, it differs for each of them, but a lot of them are in various parts of Europe.
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04:35:21biffherook, rockbox rocks
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04:38:54biffherothey come, they go, but they say nary a word.
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04:46:51biffherodoes anyone know the proper settings for the battery size for the 5G 60G ipod?
04:47:33Paul_The_NerdYou mean the capacity in the menu? That's pretty much irrelevant at the moment, since the approximated time remaining is pretty incorrect for the time being.
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04:54:51cariniAny devs around that can take a quick look at a patch?
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05:12:31tkprojectsanyone know wafro or how I can get in tocuh with him
05:12:48Paul_The_NerdI've honestly never even seen someone by that name in here
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05:22:07biffherois the libitunesdb software gpl? I was going to muck about with it, but I am confused by the COPYING file
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05:23:14enzymeis there a way for music to stop skipping yet
05:23:49Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: It's been talked about a *lot* on the forums. Disable the peakmeter, use simple WPSes with no graphics, and/or turn off the equalizer
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05:24:08Paul_The_Nerdbiffhero: Can you link me to a copy of it somewhere?
05:25:07enzymewhere isd the peakmeter found
05:25:08biffheroyes, I saw it mentioned in the wiki on the page about ipods, they mentioned that libitunesdb was used by (some other project)
05:25:23Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: The %pm line in any given WPS
05:26:43biffheroPaul, here you go... at the bottom of the page.... and their page links to that earlier link I pasted
05:28:15biffheroCOPYING is pretty liberal, but I don't want to use something that will make my contributions (pretty low chance of any anyway...) null.
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05:28:54Paul_The_Nerdbiffhero: Well, that's definitely not the GPL. Or were you asking if it's GPL compatible? I dunno, but since it says acknowledgement must be given in the docs 'n such, I think that's an advertising clause
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05:30:00biffherohrmm.. but it is used by podzilla, need to look at the license for _that_
05:30:56Paul_The_NerdWell, I'm hardly an expert in these things.
05:31:08biffheroCOPYING in pz2 is GPL
05:31:16Paul_The_NerdIt's a very liberal license, but my gut says it won't work. I dunno.
05:31:45XavierGrI just can't believe how life can be so strange!!!!
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05:32:57XavierGrMy new H300 came from a second RMA today. (after it wasn't fixed) It appeared to be OK at first but then It broke again....
05:34:37XavierGrWhile, I was just cursing my f*cking luck with this damn unit, I learned that I won a MR subscriber giveaway contest! (prize iHp115)
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05:37:36XavierGrBefore I learn the outcome of the contest, I was desperate and made an open surgerry of my defective H300.
05:38:30XavierGrTook my soldering iron and I was re-solding random joints. At some point I finally managed to fix it..... though time will tell for how long!!!!
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06:04:17biffheroXavierGr, what was with the soldering? Were they randomly defective?
06:04:44XavierGrI am not sure. I just had USB OTG problems from the start.
06:05:15XavierGrI sent it there and they didn't fix it. I sent it again, and they fix it only to see the failure again after a few tries
06:05:41XavierGrI just couldn't stand it and took the law on my hands :D
06:05:58XavierGrBut I am not sure if this will going to last either.
06:09:53biffheropaul, I agree. I think I should wait until I hear more from the people in charge of such things. The interesting-est part to me is how his README says he got the info from a certain file in the gtkpod project. and the gtkpod project _is_ gpl
06:10:57Paul_The_NerdOdd that
06:13:10*Paul_The_Nerd had forgotten just how flexible TI-BASIC really was.
06:13:36biffheroI hold down _menu_ while plugging in the iPod, and the battery icon shows charging activity, that's good. but is it safe to mount the drives and copy files to it?
06:13:43biffherowhat are you using TI-BASIC for?
06:15:09biffherowhat is party mode?
06:21:12Paul_The_Nerdbiffhero: You shouldn't be able to mount it while in Rockbox.
06:21:30biffherooh, that's right, the whole "disk mode" thing.
06:21:33Paul_The_NerdAlso, Party Mode is basically a mode that, while enabled, removes your ability to stop music (both accidentally and intentionally)
06:22:07Paul_The_NerdAs for TI-BASIC, I finally replaced my long gone '89, and I'm reacquainting myself before I start rebuilding my various tools
06:22:41biffheroengineering school?
06:24:19Paul_The_NerdJust a variety of things. Personal use, gaming of various sorts. As a way to quickly test out algorithms and/or jot them down for actual use later when a computer's not at hand
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06:46:59biffheroI am trying to compile from CVS. I chose 15 (iPod video), what build type to I pick? I chose Normal, but that didn't barf about not finding an arm compiler
06:48:27Paul_The_NerdWell, what happens when you type arm-elf-gcc −−version?
06:49:34biffheroarm-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.3
06:50:18biffheroI am an idiot. must go to bed now. it was using that one. I saw elf, and parsed x86
06:50:32Paul_The_NerdYou should be using 4.0.x anyway
06:50:50Paul_The_NerdFor arm, 3.4.x generates bad code sometimes.
06:51:19biffherouh, oh
06:52:17biffherothis arm is from the ipodlinux group. which arm-elf-gcc ... /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools2/bin/arm-elf-gcc
06:53:04biffherogood news is gcc −−version.... gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9) so I shold be able to apt-get the right one
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06:53:13Paul_The_NerdWell, for the purposes of rockbox, arm-elf-gcc 4.0.x is the expected.
06:53:43Paul_The_Nerd3.4.x could work, but it didn't work properly for the bootloader at least, at an earlier stage.
06:55:54biffheroso 'make zip' is what I want, right?
06:56:00Paul_The_Nerdmake, then make zip
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06:56:45biffheroick, dies
06:56:59biffheromake zip ... xargs: zip: No such file or directory
06:57:10Paul_The_Nerdapt-get install zip might help with that
06:57:32biffheroum, this is odd
06:57:44biffheroof course, doh!
06:58:16biffheroyeah, because I don't want to make gzip....
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06:58:55Paul_The_Nerdwell, I believe there's make bzip, make gzip and make 7zip alternatives
06:59:07biffherothanks for your patience
06:59:47Paul_The_Nerdno problem
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07:36:29bam_anyone know why when I turn off the replaygain, the volume doesnt resume back to "normal"
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08:37:18bam_back to my question, why isnt my volume resuming to normal after unselecting replaygain?
08:37:23bam_any ideas?
08:39:47ashridahmid-playback? can't it only be reset at the start of playback?
08:42:09bam_tried rebooting as well
08:42:52bam_also isnt when you press the stop button then press the play button>>isnt it supposed to start playing?
08:44:03ashridahsounds like a bug then. guess you'll need to wake up a dev :/
08:44:16ashridahthat's right
08:44:36bam_whuts right?
08:44:47bam_the play/stop dealie?
08:44:58ashridahyou're right, it's supposed to start playing again
08:45:00bam_or the replaygain
08:45:33bam_well its not I have to press play 2 more time to get it to play...:(
08:45:56ashridahhm. wait. how recent is your compile of rockbox?
08:46:07bam_the newest
08:46:27bam_daily build
08:46:55ashridahokay, they recently added an option to have the unit ignore the first button press that has to turn the backlight back on
08:47:13ashridahit's supposed to be a config option i think
08:47:26bam_lemme check that theory
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08:49:48bam_nope doesnt work as planned
08:53:01bam_and replaygain, once turned on cant turn it off....
08:54:39bam_other than those 2 minor issues, great work dev's
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08:55:31bam_oh quick, one more question, how do I browse the tag database once created?
08:57:04ashridahassuming it's working, you change the 'show files' option under 'general settings->file view->show files' to ID3 database
09:02:19ashridahalthough keep in mind that the tagdb as it currently stands has been stagnating for a while, mostly because a dynamic tag db is eventually going to replace it.
09:03:58bam_oh, didnt know
09:04:09ashridahit's been in the works for a while
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09:04:37ashridahtagdb as it stands may or may not work perfectly, but if it doesn't, it's mostly because no-one wants to waste time working on something that'll be replaced
09:05:16bam_doesnt work too well
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09:07:45bam_hey is there a way to set the default playlist directory(whenever creating playlists)?
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10:12:09JdGordonevenig all
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10:35:39amiconnhmm. I have to say I'm really impressed by the documentation effort.
10:36:28amiconnHowever, there's still a lot of work left to do on the manual
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10:37:33JdGordonis the manual being built automatically yet?
10:37:42tucozJdGordon, no I think not
10:38:03amiconnI just checked a build of the recorder manual.
10:38:33amiconnSome parts are still generic and need to be made target-specific
10:39:09tucozamiconn, yes. I know. I see if I can get some parts done today
10:39:23amiconnThen there are plugins documented which are no longer shipped, and for some existing plugins the button documentation isn't always correct
10:39:49amiconne.g. helloworld and grayscale can be removed
10:40:22amiconnI guess even the Plugin* wiki pages aren't always correct
10:41:18tucozamiconn, I think nls will remove those
10:42:22Slasherihmm, just got my concept code of the sorting for chunked tagcache browsing ready :) still some functions needs to be tested and code debugged
10:42:33Slasherishould be ready for commit before the feature freeze
10:43:05MoosHooray \o/
10:43:14Moos:-) Hi Slasheri btw
10:43:19Slasherihi :)
10:44:08webguest84Good thing the manual has the whole freeze period to get up to date
10:44:13webguest84and catch up
10:44:24webguest84which is the same as getting up to date, silly me
10:44:56tucozamiconn, we just recently got the key-macros in cvs to be used for button documentation
10:45:04webguest84Why might fclose cause a segfault? (not rockbox related, just thought someone might know)
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10:45:19JdGordonif the file is null?
10:45:30webguest84I check that when I open.
10:45:43ashridahor it's called against a FILE * that was never initialized to begin with
10:46:22tucozThat is why the buttons in a lot of places have wrong names.
10:46:30webguest84Guess I need to simplify my code to see what's going on.
10:52:16tucozwhich wiki page do you suggest I use as a template for iriver install instructions?
10:54:31JdGordoniriverboot ?
10:54:43JdGordonor iriverinstall i mean
10:55:19tucozok, thanks
10:57:00*JdGordon is bored
11:04:59*webguest84 is in malloc hell
11:05:50ashridahyou know, i've never found keeping malloc/free straight to be a major issue
11:06:30ashridahi mean, i know they can be, and if i was working on larger works, it probably would be, but it just seems easier than everyone makes out ;)
11:06:57webguest84That's not it. I have a completely unrelated call to malloc somewhere that apparently makes my later fclose() call segfault.
11:07:06webguest84And it's driving me absolutely nuts
11:07:20ashridahah, it's probably the free() fclose does
11:07:58ashridahi've had this. you're probably malloc()ing some amount that's too small
11:08:39ashridahit can be a royal pain to track down tho
11:09:01webguest84oh well, at least it's not a huge thing
11:09:08ashridahi can suggest trying valgrind
11:09:32ashridahit may help tracking down the issue, but it depends exactly how it's occuring
11:11:15safetydanpreglow, is gui code really that bad?
11:11:50JdGordonsafetydan: for rb? its not bad, for windows it fucking sux!
11:12:04*ashridah huggles libglade
11:12:10safetydannah, preglow just seems to have an aversion to writing anything gui related :)
11:12:12ashridahsif do gui in code.
11:12:53safetydanashridah, I await your port of libglade to rockbox :)
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11:13:16ashridahi think rockbox can live without an XML parser
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11:14:33ashridahbut a completely scripted user interface wouldn't necessarily be bad. it'd potentially give rockbox some fairly extreme levels of theming. it'd also be a royal bitch to cram into some architectures like archos, i'd imgine
11:14:46linuxstbJdGordon: Are you planning on moving your plugin audio menu to the plugin lib?
11:15:04JdGordonmy friends are fucking wierdos.. we r going for a hike out in the country! (its 9.15pm here, and we aint leaving for 20min)
11:15:09JdGordonwhats needs to change?
11:16:24linuxstbI don't know what others think, but LinusN wanted it moved from the core to the plugin lib.
11:16:59JdGordoni dont really see the diff.. but ok.. what needs to change in the code?
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11:17:28safetydanJdGordon, plugin lib code isn't included in the core so less memory is used when a plugin isn't running
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11:18:19t0massafetydan: the plugin buffer is fixed size isn't it?
11:18:29linuxstbJdGordon: Your new functions need to be in a file in apps/plugins/lib/, which plugins can use directly, rather than via the rb-> API.
11:18:33t0masso what do you mean bij "less memory is used when a plugin isn't running" ?
11:18:58tucozI came to think of a useful addition to a plugin menu. Add control of the backlight to the plugins
11:19:22JdGordonlinuxstb: and all the functions need to use their rb-> equivilant in my code htne?
11:19:48amiconnt0mas: It means that the code (and associated data) doesn't reside in the core, so the core needs less memory and the binary gets smaller
11:19:59safetydant0mas, what amiconn said :)
11:20:01t0masooh ok, good for archos
11:20:21amiconnplugin binaries using the new functions get larger, but that doesn't matter as long as they still fit into the plugin buffer,
11:20:23safetydanand other targets too, more memory for file buffering is always good
11:20:23t0masI was thinking I missed some mem management ;)
11:20:29amiconnwhich, as you said, has a fixed size
11:20:39JdGordonlinuxstb: the only thing about moving it is we loose lang support untill langv2.. so whos that coming along?
11:20:44t0massafetydan: no, not more memovery for buffering
11:20:51t0masthat's what I tried to ask/explain
11:21:07JdGordon.. why isnt lang suport availble to pugins anyway?
11:21:13safetydant0mas, if the rockbox image is smaller, there is more memory available...?
11:21:21tucozJdGordon, that is a langv2 feature I think
11:21:23t0masoh wait...
11:21:31t0masignore me... I'm just out of bed ;)
11:21:53safetydanJdGordon, langv2 is checked in as far as I know, someone just needs to extend it to the plugins
11:22:04JdGordonnice :)
11:22:06amiconnlangv2 isn't used yet
11:22:24safetydanah, so it's not hooked up yet?
11:22:34amiconnThe scripts for handling it are in, but the build system doesn't use it yet
11:22:49amiconnThere's some work left before this can be done
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11:26:25JdGordonhmm... moving it to plugin lib is gonna bloat out the plugin size more than the exe size... coz i need to duplicate funcions which are in the core code...
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11:27:10amiconnJdGordon: Which ones?
11:27:24JdGordonplaylist viewer and searcher... checkng which other ones
11:27:30amiconnUsually you don't have to reimplement core functions. Just call them via the plugin api
11:27:34JdGordon(admitedly, they dont really need to be there..)
11:28:39JdGordon.. well i could just add those 2 functions to the api..
11:30:03JdGordonwhat other functions are wanted in the menu? atm its got play/pause, prev/next/stop, volume, shuffle, repeat mode, search and view playlist...
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11:32:24amiconnI don't think we really need playlist access in a plugin menu
11:32:42JdGordonits nice to have..
11:32:48JdGordonbut ye, not nescacery
11:33:06safetydanamiconn, what work is needed for langv2? I've got some time at the moment.
11:33:09amiconnWell, I'm either using a plugin, or using fancy playback stuff
11:33:24amiconnsafetydan: First, me finishing .lang rework
11:34:00amiconnThen, converting all .lang to v2, and adapting the voice generation script to understand .lang v2 format
11:35:08safetydanright, so we're dependant on the .lang rework then
11:35:19amiconnThe latter isn't straightforward, as the language script itself are written in perl, and the voice generation script is a vbscript
11:35:33amiconn(due to the fact that it has to work with SAPI)
11:35:45amiconnyepp :(
11:36:45webguest84ashridah: Nailed it. I had forgot to malloc some space for the struct in which I was mallocing.. soooo.. that didn't work out too well..
11:37:01webguest84Using a pointer that points nowhere isn't a good idea, it turns out
11:37:13webguest84or rather, nowhere special
11:37:55webguest84who knew
11:38:49amiconnsafetydan: Unfortunately people keep adding and adding to english.lang. That doesn't make my rework easier ;/
11:40:22JdGordonis langv2 gonne be neater? i.e let u add in the middle of the file?
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11:40:48amiconnThat would still break backwards compatibility
11:40:48webguest84How is that better?
11:40:54JdGordonoh well..
11:40:56amiconnlangv2 has 2 main points
11:41:38amiconn(1) Strings not necessary for a specific target can be blanked (note: blanked, not left out) so they just waste 1 byte
11:42:08amiconnThat's because that feature might get implemented later, so the string id has to stay
11:43:19JdGordon.. and 2 ?
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11:43:31amiconn(2) It will allow to localise plugins. That's not included in the first step of transition though
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11:44:00amiconn(1) also applies to voice files, where the savings are considerably higher
11:44:13JdGordonas long as it fixes the "press play for yes" problem on the h300 im happy :D
11:44:19amiconnIt will
11:44:29amiconnThere'll be a generic LANG_ACCEPT
11:44:51amiconn..which will be set to PLAY for archos recorders, RIGHT for Ondios, NAVI for H300 etc
11:45:18amiconnThat's why we want langv2 in 3.0
11:45:55JdGordonthats notthe only problem... it will let u have different strings for different targets using the same string id ye?
11:46:47JdGordonok :) u just confused me a bit there...
11:46:57amiconnMy (1) didn't cover everything.
11:47:15JdGordonanyway, ill have a patch for the playlist control plugin lib tomorow probably..
11:47:15amiconnIt actually means you can have different strings per target for the same id
11:47:28amiconn...which of course includes empty strings
11:47:57amiconnThis'll also help the player, and get rid of the extra _PLAYER ids
11:48:10amiconnThe player needs extremely short strings in some places
11:48:14tucozJdGordon, do you think a backlight control would be useful in the plugin lib as well?
11:48:22tucoz*don't you
11:48:31JdGordontucoz: u mean the backlight timeout?
11:48:38tucozJdGordon, yes
11:48:57tucozOr maybe disable the timeout from a plugin
11:49:06JdGordonhmm.. maybe...
11:49:24tucozLike when using the text-viewer, or playing chess in the dark
11:49:29JdGordonor, perhaps a better way would be to disable the timeout from a global setting in the core?
11:50:20tucozlike, but that wouldn't always be needed. On players where it is possible to read the screen without backlight.
11:50:38JdGordonthen they wouldnt set the option to disable it in plugins..
11:51:57amiconnSome plugins already disable the timeout
11:52:36Nico_Pi'm going to set up a new build environment and i wanted to know : is vmware faster then colinux ?
11:53:07tucozI think that should be controlled by the user from the plugin. On the h1xx it is not usefull to disable the timeout it is light in the room.
11:53:17ashridahi'd say colinux would be faster than vmware
11:53:26ashridahit shouldnt' be doign the whole virtual hardware bit
11:54:04Nico_Pand it doesn't have the boot time, so basically it's better ?
11:54:45CassandraAFAIK the clock plugin already does backlight control.
11:54:52CassandraYou might want to have a look at that.
11:55:14amiconnWell, if colinux uses a file to simulate a hd for the linux environment, I'd expect it to run at the same speed as vmware
11:55:46amiconnIf, however, colinux accesses the windows filesystem, it will be way slower
11:56:18amiconnSame thing happens if you're using the vmware shared folder feature to access the windows fs, or using interix
11:56:45amiconnI'm almost sure the cygwin slowness is caused by the windows filesystem as well
11:57:19tucozCassandra, I just wanted to know if others would find that a useful addition to 'standard' plugin menu
11:57:22amiconnCassandra: clock.rock, video.rock, oscilloscope.rock and probably others override the backlight timeout
11:57:29CassandraAnd everyone claimed NTFS was so wonderful.
11:57:49amiconnCassandra: It's not NTFS. Same thing happens on FAT32
11:58:09amiconn...and I guess it's not the filesystem itself
11:58:43tucozI don't think that should be up to the plugin, I think such a menu (playback, backlight) should be available from within all plugins
11:59:39amiconnNot all plugins need/can have all items
11:59:48amiconnThis might get messy...
11:59:56tucozamiconn, right. hmm, that is true.
12:00:12Cassandraamiconn, so the low level IDE drivers just suck? Or is it an architectural problem?
12:00:38amiconnI suspect there's some strange overhead in opening/closing files windows
12:00:48CassandraAlso, what key combo would you bind it to?
12:01:11CassandraWindows does seem to thrash disk a hell of a lot more than Linux.
12:01:21amiconnSince, if you're using vmware, the virtual disk is (usually) a file on a windows partition, but it isn't slow at all
12:01:22CassandraI'd always assumed it was a virus scanner thing.
12:01:36amiconnProbably because it's *one* file that is opened all the time
12:02:18amiconnWell, cygwin is slow even with no virus scanner installed, so that can't be the (only) culprit
12:02:40CassandraI suppose it's possible Vista won't suck as much.
12:02:54CassandraBut given what people in MS seem to be saying about it, it doesn't seem likely.
12:02:57Nico_Pwhat would you recommend me between vmware and colinux ?
12:03:20ashridahcolinux, it being free and all
12:03:35amiconnI would prefer vmware, since then you can use a linux distro of your choice
12:03:40ashridah(unless someone's distributing a vmware image that can be used with the player)
12:04:05ashridahamiconn: colinux works with any distro, although they'll require some modifications
12:04:07ashridahamiconn: gotchya
12:04:16*ashridah hasn't been keeping up with the ml
12:04:30Cassandraashridah: You mean like
12:05:03ashridahi'd use colinux if only to avoid the complete emulation of the PC platform
12:05:07ashridahcolinux cheats a good deal
12:05:22safetydansomething is definitely up with playback at the moment
12:05:42safetydanplay a track and skip back and the wps says "Paused" but the system has locked up
12:05:49ashridahbut vmware'd be easier to setup, i daresay
12:05:49CassandraYou mean something more than usual? swcodec's never really worked right.
12:06:47safetydanCassandra, well it's been reasonably reliable until recently (i.e. past 48 hours)
12:07:04safetydanhrm, simulator playback still works okay with the same test
12:07:11CassandraSpeak to lostlogic. I think he's been hacking at it.
12:08:00amiconnFor me, swcodec was stable only as long as I just let it play
12:10:05safetydanat 00000001
12:10:09tucozsafetydan, there is a report on the dev-ml as well
12:10:11safetydanthat doesn't look useful
12:10:17safetydantucoz, yeah, just trying to reproduce it
12:10:17tucozfrom gl :)
12:10:22tucozI see.
12:10:53safetydanI suspect it's the signedness fixes that went in recently
12:11:34tucozHave you experienced the usb problem as well?
12:12:17tucozI don't think I have, but I think the player is usually not playing when I connect it to usb
12:12:19safetydantucoz, what usb problem?
12:12:27tucozthere is a bugreport
12:12:40tucozThe os doesn't notice the player
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12:14:00safetydantucoz, seems to work okay here when I connect the USB cable while something's playing
12:14:37tucozMaybe it's just XP then
12:15:44safetydanI can't see how since USB is hardware controlled
12:16:32tucozgtg, see you
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12:16:39preglowsafetydan: just it incredibly boring for some reason
12:16:50preglowwe need glade for rockbox
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12:18:52safetydanrarrr... I don't even know where to begin debugging this playback issue
12:19:45Nico_Psafetydan: playback.c :p
12:20:08webguest84maybe better to ask lostlogic?
12:20:23safetydanwebguest84, probably, but I might as well have a go as well
12:20:42Nico_Pand i suggest you look around where lostlogic made some changes recently
12:20:44safetydanHrmm... "processor data in 1 full"... what does that even mean?
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12:32:42preglowshower sounds nice
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12:35:09Mikachui was confused by the sleep timer setting, it only says 00:15 or such, i wasn't sure if it was minutes:seconds or hours:minutes
12:35:20safetydanMikachu, yeah it's hours:minutes
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12:36:02Mikachuhm, looks like someone was i bit tired when they wrote this code too, minutes = value - (hours * 60);
12:36:16Mikachuwouldn't that be the same as minutes = value % 60; ?
12:36:58safetydanshould be, I was just cutting and pasting from the old sleep timer code
12:41:05amiconnMikachu: Yes, but the % is slower
12:41:18amiconn(not that it matters when only used in settings and stuff)
12:41:20Mikachui always thought % was pretty fast
12:41:36amiconn% and / both require division
12:42:09safetydanhrmm... nothing's leaping out at me as a bug in the recent changes to playback... unless there's a -1 still in there and the buffer pointer is wrapping
12:42:10amiconn(unless % is used with a power-of-2-constant)
12:42:17Mikachuright, this is a special case since we already did a divide for hours
12:42:31*safetydan summons lostlogic
12:43:44preglowamiconn: mno, it's a separate operation on coldfire
12:43:52preglowamiconn: unless you're doing 16 bit division
12:44:01preglowin which case you get the mod for free
12:44:01amiconnYes, but it's essentially a division operation
12:44:05preglowyeah, sure
12:44:08preglowslow as hell
12:44:19amiconn...and what about arm? ;)
12:44:24preglowpoor little arm
12:44:26preglowno divider
12:44:41preglowi bet the 64 bit divides i do are _really_ fast on arm
12:44:49preglowamiconn: go code me a 64 bit divide in asm!
12:45:27safetydanpreglow, since we have high-precision sin() now, where's my eq graph? :)
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12:48:46preglowsafetydan: i discovered the high precision sin isn't all i need
12:48:59preglowsafetydan: basically, 32 bit divides aren't high precision enough for me
12:49:05preglowi mean 64 bit
12:49:09preglowbut i think i've got a solution
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12:49:35preglowi can just shift either the dividend or divisor a bit up, depending on who of them is really small
12:49:46preglowi never promised the eq grapher would be fast anyway :-)
12:50:35preglowbut i'm quite bogged with real work now
12:50:36preglowso it'll have to wait
12:51:05safetydancool, it's not like it's on the release plan :)
12:51:37preglowi've learnt qutie a bit about fixed point from doing the eq and related stuff, but i'm still not clear on a number of things
12:51:41preglowquite too
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12:52:20safetydanit's been a learning experience all round... I was only really intending to work on gui stuff :)
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12:52:42preglowlearning stuff is fun (and good) anyway
12:52:45preglowso it's all good
12:53:28Mikachupreglow: here's a funny plugin for you
12:53:47Mikachuwrote in less than 2 minutes :)
12:54:11Mikachuoh right, you would need the absolute patch applied too
12:54:25preglowit'll beep with a freq decided by the wheel? :PPP
12:54:28preglowpiezo synth
12:54:34Mikachui just played a little tune
12:54:38preglowi love that
12:54:40preglowipod theremin
12:55:07Mikachuwhy is the screen green when i don't do anything to it?
12:57:34preglowshruggety shrug shrug
12:58:55Mikachunot exactly a linear scale of notes
12:59:57preglowthat can be fixed quite easily
13:00:08preglowthe period doubles for each octave
13:00:20preglowor halves, if you count them upwards :>
13:00:40preglownice little opportunity for some fixed point magic, this!
13:02:22dpro8.17579891564 * exp(.0577622650 * n) // n is midi notenr ...
13:02:53Mikachuthat'll work if i just copy it
13:03:02dproI guess
13:04:09Mikachui can just have a table, it's only 96 values
13:04:26Mikachubut you probably don't want to go up a halftone every value :)
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13:05:42dproactually that would even be a nice idea for the blind/usability stuff discussed here last night - why not have a c major scale when scrolling through menus ...
13:06:38Mikachuso 'sound settings' would always be an E for example? i think taht might be good too
13:06:57dproyeah sth. like that
13:07:29Mikachui forgot yield() :P
13:07:47Mikachucan't expect perfection on the first compile
13:07:52webguest84wow, that'd probably be pretty nice
13:08:35webguest84so "first element in menu is c, next is a d, etc"
13:09:01dprowebguest84: yup that's what I was thinking ..
13:09:38dproand it's trivial enough to just implement and add a little en/disable switch to the settings
13:10:24webguest84might even be possible to implement for with the beep function in case you lose your voice file
13:11:51*preglow hater matrix inversion
13:11:58preglowhates, even
13:12:10Mikachumost funnest thing ever
13:12:16*Mikachu has a course in Matrix Theory now
13:15:54Mikachupreglow: i'm having no luck with rb->backlight_set_timeout(0);
13:15:58Mikachuit stays on anyway
13:16:54amiconn0 would be always off
13:16:59amiconn1 would be always on
13:17:04Mikachuthat's what i wolud think, but it doesn't work
13:17:10amiconnthe parameter is an index, not a direct value
13:17:19webguest84Does it work if you set it in the settings?
13:17:31MikachuOff and On both make it permanently on
13:17:37amiconnAlways off is broken on iPod afaik
13:17:47amiconnDunno why
13:18:07webguest84Strange bug
13:19:05Mikachui'll use 1 second then
13:19:19preglowahh, right
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13:19:49preglowhow do i set it always on?
13:20:06preglowfound it
13:20:12Mikachubacklight_set_timeout(1) is always on
13:20:13preglowalways on seems to work
13:20:16preglowalways off doesn't...
13:20:18Mikachu0 should be off but it is also always on
13:21:43Mikachuit beeps before i even touch the wheel sometimes
13:23:26Mikachuhm, got the instashutoff thing again
13:24:18preglowwith your plugin, i hope?
13:24:32preglowyeah, sure
13:24:32Mikachubut i also got it with pacman two times
13:24:39preglowyou can use the wheel without touching it
13:24:50Mikachuoh you meant the beep
13:24:53Mikachuhow does that work?
13:25:02preglowit's just a capacitance detector
13:25:10Mikachuah right
13:26:24amiconnHmm. My first attempt of dma playback + simple buffering system for archos pcm actually works.
13:26:48amiconnThere one problem though, I get some bursts of static occasionally...
13:27:57Mikachuthis is way better than electroplankton
13:28:50preglowamiconn: this is a 3.1 feature, right?
13:29:20amiconnIntegration of pcm is a 3.1 feature
13:29:41preglowwith the dreaded playback engine unification? :>
13:31:24amiconnI don't see how to manage pcm integration without it
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13:37:40MmmmRemote support is a 3.0 feature right?
13:38:00MmmmI have a patch to increase remote support....anyone interested?
13:38:58MmmmIf noone here, who would be the person to talk to?
13:39:13Mikachuput it in the tracker
13:39:20Mmmmit's there..
13:39:39MmmmI've just got to get it noticed! :D
13:40:24safetydanmight help if you mention the task number
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13:42:13preglowamiconn: i'm sure you can think of a hack
13:42:40amiconnI don't think so
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13:44:19preglowso, you'll be going the full route with codec plugins and all?
13:44:39ashridah.... !
13:44:48ashridahlibvf.c:24: error: 'NULL' undeclared (first use in this function)
13:44:48ashridahyou what?!
13:44:49amiconnProbably not codec plugins
13:45:36ashridahoh. wait. haven't #included anything
13:45:42preglowyou shouldnt
13:45:46safetydanMmmm, you're making a lot of changs in one patch. It might be better to split them up or at least explain all the things that have been changed.
13:45:50preglowyou shouldnt need to include for NULL ?
13:45:52amiconnWow! This thing plays realtime on Ondio :-)
13:46:08preglowamiconn: can you still navigate? :>
13:46:17amiconnIt's a plugin....
13:46:35Mmmmsafetydan: I've included as little as possible! :) it's all essential to work!
13:46:47amiconnI still have to find the static-burst problem
13:46:58safetydanMmmm, at the very least you can do the remote peak meter support in a seperate patch
13:47:56amiconnBut the good thing is that 2 serial DMA transfers in parallel are fast enough for realtime 44.1kHz stereo, even with the double bitswap
13:48:07Mmmmsafetydan: you cant because peakmeter has to be called differently (it needs the screen struct to be passed into it) so the remote automatically gets supported!
13:48:08preglowamiconn: you need to swap bits as well???
13:48:25preglowamiconn: this small a codec, and they didn't manage to put in selectable bit swapping?
13:48:45amiconnWell, micronas is not the one to blame
13:48:53amiconnThe designer of the SH1 SCI is
13:49:19MmmmSafetydan:supporting the recording screen without the peakmeter would be a bit pointless dont you think?
13:50:11safetydanMmmm, I was just thinking that the peak meter support for the rwps can be done as a seperate patch. You can then make the remote support for the recording screen depend on that patch.
13:50:31safetydanMmmm, I also take it that your remote doesn't have the ticking issue? :)
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13:52:47*ashridah sighs and watches 33MB of tetex-* download
13:52:53Mmmmsafetydan: Remote support of the peakmeter has to enable ALL remote support for it not just for one screen...if it did I think it wouldn't be the right way to go about it. So when entering the recording screen you would get the peakmeter and nothing else!
13:52:59ashridahyep, gotta love latex
13:53:27*ashridah watches as his modem chafes
13:53:37Mmmmsafetydan: the ticking fix fixes my ticking!
13:53:38preglowmodem? :>
13:53:41ashridah<modem> this is the last time i dress up as the damn gimp
13:54:38Mmmmsafetydan: Just having the peakmeter and nothing else on the remote recording screen would be a bit mad so I went the whole hog! :)
14:01:19safetydanMmmm, shouldn't "record" be mapped to the record button on the remote?
14:02:40Mmmmsafetydan: Hehheh....It certainly should! hmmm I wonder what happened there....? :D
14:03:49safetydanotherwise it looks good
14:03:58safetydanhaven't extensively tested it though
14:04:18safetydanhave you test built on any other targets?'s being tested on the forums...been out there for a complaints yet! Ive built on all targets, no probs
14:05:32safetydanI'll just do some more checking then
14:05:45Mmmmgreat...thanks safetydan :)
14:07:42lodesiheu.. sorry
14:07:55Mmmmsafetydan: I remember now, I mapped the recording button to play on the remote just because it is a nicer button... :)
14:08:04safetydanthat sort of makes sense
14:08:38safetydanfor consistency I might change it back to record
14:08:49Mmmmok, no probs...
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14:14:37whatboutbobgood evening folks.
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14:16:41Mmmmerr...afternoon here cobber! :D
14:16:47whatboutbobsafetydan: i completely understand why you'd change the remote recording trigger button to the record button for consistency, but from a usability perspective i, for one, find the play button handy.
14:17:12whatboutbobhehe...well...its technically morning i guess i'm just wrong all around...
14:18:47safetydanwhatboutbob, well... yeah it's not a nice button...
14:19:32safetydanI'm not sure really. Consistency is good, but usability is also good... hrmm
14:19:55Mmmmwhatboutbob has been chief tester on this patch...if there are any probs with it he knows about them! :D
14:20:14safetydanmaybe I'll leave it as remote play then
14:20:59Bgersafetydan what's the problem with the "record" ?
14:21:10safetydanBg3r, on the h100 lcd remote it's a bit... fiddly
14:21:28safetydanthe play button is nice and large and only has one function
14:21:38safetydanwhereas the record button can be slide left, right and pressed in
14:21:38MmmmBger: fddly uncomfortable, small name it!
14:21:47Bgeruf :(
14:21:51whatboutbobi realise the 'play' button might not make much sense to trigger recording, but its hard to mis-press it..whereas the rec button on the h1x0 remote is fiddly...
14:21:55Bgerthe remote problems again ..
14:22:39whatboutbob...and i can't think of any other use for the play button on that screen....
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14:29:09amiconnStatic noise problem nailed :) PCM now playing like a charm on archos, both recorder & Ondio
14:29:46amiconnPlayback code is something to likely cause headaches :/
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14:31:42webguest74congrats amiconn!
14:31:59preglowlet's hope lostlogic gives it a firm refurbishing
14:32:14webguest74any chance pcm will be included in 3.0 as a viewer plugin?
14:32:34amiconnpreglow: I mean all playback code, even the simplistic engine I adapted for my plugin
14:32:56amiconnThis plugin will receive some more polishing.
14:33:01amiconn- Ability to stop playback before the .WAV ends
14:33:06preglowyeah, i can imagine
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14:33:19preglowi like my small low-level code snippets the best :>
14:33:22amiconn- Restore the MAS' state so the plugin doesn't break mp3 playback
14:33:59amiconn- Read parameters from WAV file to allow playback of all 16 bit uncompressed files
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14:34:09amiconnThen I'll probably commit it to cvs
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14:34:48amiconnSo that means WAV playback will likely be included as a viewer in 3.0
14:35:45safetydanwhatboutbob, Mmmm, it's comitted now
14:35:56preglowyou do overwrite the mp3 codec when uploading the wav one, yes?
14:36:23Mmmmthanks safetydan.....there are millions of happy recorders out there now im sure! :D
14:37:32amiconnpreglow: In case you want to know: I advanced the read pointer too early, which lead to the rebuffer routine overwriting the currently playing ram area
14:38:04amiconnSince I first read, then bitswap, the filled-in data was often played unswapped - ouch
14:38:04safetydanMmmm, hey you did all the work :)
14:38:47Mmmm;D But it's great to be appreciated :D
14:39:25amiconnpreglow: I'm not overwriting the mp3 codec, that's not possible since it's in ROM
14:40:12whatboutbobThanks safetydan. Congrats Mmmm! :)
14:40:16amiconnBut for switching back, I have to stop the DSP core, switch the relevant RAM area back to data RAM, then restart the DSP core
14:40:39amiconnI hope the DSP_RESET bit in the appropriate config register will do the trick
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14:41:16Bgerare these MASes still sold ?
14:41:31preglowamiconn: right
14:41:39MmmmWhatboutbob, Safetydan: Party time...beers are on me! :D
14:41:46Bgerwhy they just don't open the docs about them...
14:41:55amiconnI can hard-reset the whole mas, but that generates a pop
14:42:49safetydanhrmm... the build page says 8 warnings for the iAudio X5 bootloader, but I only see 4 in the log
14:42:54amiconnDisk spinup every 10 seconds...
14:45:04Bgeranyone aware whether there is a non-lcd remote for iAudios too ?
14:45:20Bgermore precisely for X5
14:45:57PhR3aKno there isnt one
14:46:39PhR3aKyou mean such a remote as for the ipod?
14:47:04PhR3aKjust play / pause / skip forward / backward?
14:47:26Bgersomething without a screen, in fact without a backlight on the remote :)
14:47:44PhR3aKafaik i never saw something like this for the x5 ;)
14:48:06PhR3aKanyone know how far the audio driver for the x5 is?
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14:48:45safetydanPhR3aK, nothing's been mentioned lately
14:49:03BgerPhR3aK afaik linus played something on his x5 2-3 days ago ...
14:49:50Slasheriamiconn: now i got the tag sortin working :) still other bugs to be fixed..
14:49:50Bgerit was something by cranberies iirc ..:P
14:49:50ashridahBg3r: played something? or wrote the bootloader? usually playback results in a Gentlemen email
14:50:12PhR3aKyeah... like the ipod massage, right?
14:50:14Bgerashridah i think he mentioned it here ...
14:50:44ashridahoh, the painful end of tradtion
14:51:13BgerZagor, Bagder ... what about a "search" for the irc logs ....
14:51:44*ashridah knows someone with an M3 who's been interested in the progress on the iaudio, but naturally disconcerted by the lack of action on the older m3 model front
14:52:14safetydanBg3r, google can do it for you
14:52:18Bgerashridah aren't the m3s very similar hardware-wise ?
14:52:24Bgersafetydan not for the last 2-3 days ..
14:52:28ashridahBg3r: so i've heard
14:52:40ashridahbut i expect the usual differences, LCD, some hardware bits, etc.
14:53:27PhR3aKso what? is there audio playback for the x5?
14:54:25ashridahPhR3aK: i don't think anything's been checked in, and even if the playback by linus happened, it was probably just piping a raw chunk of pcm to the audio
14:54:45PhR3aKok... i thougt ive missed something...
14:55:32PhR3aKso there will be a message like with the ipod?
14:55:45PhR3aKif its done?
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14:56:07ashridahi'd say so
14:56:36ashridahthose kinds of things are usually significant
14:58:51amiconnBg3r: I have a local copy of the irc logs which I update from time to time
14:58:51amiconnVery convenient for searching
14:58:51safetydanis it just me, or is a little slow at the moment?
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15:02:51BgerPhR3aK i think i've dreamt something about the sound on iaudio...
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15:02:51PhR3aKok... ^^
15:02:51BgerPhR3aK sorry :(
15:03:02PhR3aKno problem...
15:03:40PhR3aKi thougt im the one who has to be sorry because i ask almost everyday for audioplayback on the x5 ^^
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15:07:05PhR3aKbecause when this is done i will 100% swich to rockbox because i dont need video playback etc., the cown fw is just crap...
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15:11:51webguest21how does Rockbox read replaygain info from id3v2? Using TXXX (as foobar writes them) or RVA2 (as the spec says, and eg. Quod Libet writes them)?
15:15:12safetydanwebguest21, txxx by the look of things
15:16:25webguest21For shame
15:17:28webguest21Damn foobar being a bad influence
15:18:05safetydanrva2 only came in in id3 2.4
15:19:04Mikachuisn't there a patch about that?
15:19:12safetydanpossibly, I'm about to go looking
15:19:25Mikachui think i have it watched
15:19:27safetydanthere's actually two patches
15:19:51Mikachuah no, it was the arbitrary comment patch i had watched
15:20:12safetydanhrmm... I think I can ignore the one from 2004
15:20:19Mikachuthat's that one
15:20:28safetydan is what I'm looking at
15:21:35webguest21Doesn't foobar use id3v2.4?!
15:21:58Mikachua lot of things don't use 2.4, especially not on linux
15:23:32Slasherihmm, in fact tagcache will be commit ready soon :)
15:23:32safetydan\o/ woo!
15:23:32MoosHooray !
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15:24:56amiconnSlasheri: Just let someone test on archos & iPod, in case there are alignment issues
15:25:39Slasheriamiconn: well, sure. anyway, the first version wont be perfect ;)
15:26:00amiconnSurely not, but it shouldn't cause nasty crashes at least
15:26:16webguest21Jesus Christ, people having support for 2.3 and not 2.4 have been on vacation for 5 years after implementing 2.3 in 18 months... or something.. slackers, the lot of them.
15:26:49webguest21(2.4 was published only 18 months after 2.3, and that's over 5 years ago now)
15:28:22safetydanwebguest21, steady on :) Opensource moves slowly sometimes.
15:28:33safetydananyway, I'm looking at a patch which should add RVA2 support to Rockbox
15:29:43webguest21I guess it's just that people use the obsolete id3lib
15:29:54webguest21Should be using taglib or something else non-broken
15:30:54XavierGrnice Slasheri looking forward to it.
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15:33:12SlasheriXavierGr: i will commit it soon after i just clean the code a bit
15:33:37Slasheriand actually implement the chunked browsing as we now have sorting :)
15:34:45MoosSlasheri: we are all unpatiently waiting :-)
15:35:33muesli__scanning the 1st time must take ages?
15:35:46BgerSlasheri what does "chunked browsing" mean?
15:36:25Slasherimuesli__: it takes something like 10 minutes in background (player can be rebooted anytime etc.)
15:38:38SlasheriBger: tagcache provides already sorted file list for the dir browser
15:38:38safetydanMikachu, the replaygain patch you're watching (task 1943) is specific to MAS (archos) units
15:38:38muesli__wont use it anyway but nice to have it ;)
15:38:38Mooshey faster than the previous version and that was via PC
15:38:38Slasheriso browser doesn't need to load everything in ram for sorting if we are lacking enough ram
15:38:38Mikachusafetydan: okay, i've unwatched it and watched the one you found instead
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15:38:38safetydanhrmm... the target thingy in flyspray might need a "hwcodec" and "swcodec" target
15:38:38webguest21What happens if you try to view the db during that time?
15:39:42Slasheriwebguest21: if there is old db on the disk, that is displayed
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15:45:33Slasheriif not, then nothing happens
15:45:33CassandraAh excellent. I've been outbid on Ebay.
15:45:33Mikachua hint of sarcasm there?
15:45:33CassandraNope. I bid for the wrong thing. :)
15:45:33Mikachuoh, lucky
15:45:33Mooshaha XD
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15:45:33webguest21How clever is it in terms of finding updated tags?
15:45:33webguest21How clever is it in terms of finding updated tags?
15:45:33CtcpPing on #rockbox from webguest21!
15:45:33Mikachuthat's probably not a good idea
15:45:33Bgerwebguest21 u're here
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15:46:48safetydanokay, the build table is now officially weird
15:46:54safetydanwhere's the h120 build?
15:50:25CassandraI think it got eaten by badgers.
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16:21:36Nico_Pam i the only one experiencing slowness on the website ?
16:23:10muesli__Bg3r arround?
16:24:25Bgermuesli__ yep
16:24:25Bgermy h340 just hung ...
16:24:25Bgerwhile doing next/prev song ...
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16:24:25muesli__had any progress in handling the evil h300 lcd remote?
16:24:25MoosNico_P: safetydan reported the same thing too
16:24:25DBUGEnqueued KICK Bger
16:24:25Bgermuesli__ i have something that near works ...
16:24:25muesli__yeah :)
16:24:25Bgerbut i doubt that it'll be included in the cvs
16:24:25Nico_Pah.. seems to have become fast again
16:24:25muesli__whatever it is better than nothin than the current state
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16:25:02PapricaBger, my h320 hungs too
16:25:09Nico_Pmine too
16:25:15Nico_Pit's a CVS prob
16:29:41Nico_Pi think
16:29:41Nico_Pi suspect lostlogic recent swcodec playback engine changes
16:29:41Bgerh3xx proble, ? :)
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16:29:41Bgergrrr this uisimulator stuff
16:29:41safetydanWhat's wrong with the ui simulator?
16:30:05Bgersafetydan nothing :) it's all that i must write to similar thing on 2 diff places: firmware/drivers/button.c and uisimulator/sdl/button.c
16:30:42safetydanah... yeah... bit annoying that
16:30:59safetydanthough now that there's only one supported sim maybe that could change
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16:32:04XavierGrdoes anyone encounters lockups with latest buidlds?
16:32:21XavierGrI get many crashes lately, both on H100 and H300
16:32:43rmrmgdoes rockbox support cyrillic UTF file name?
16:32:51safetydanXavierGr, yeah me too on a h120
16:32:51Mikachushould work
16:32:59Bger16.24.25 # <Bger> my h340 just hung ...
16:33:00safetydansafetydan, mostly while seeking
16:33:05rmrmgi have problem w/ it
16:33:12Bger16.25.02 # <Paprica> Bger, my h320 hungs too
16:33:23Mikachurmrmg: try selecting unifont or 6+12x13 as the font
16:33:31XavierGrsafetydan: Yes. It must be latest changes by lostlogic in playback.c
16:34:08rmrmgMikachu: but cyrillic UTF tag are ok
16:41:49Mikachurmrmg: are you using linux or windows?
16:41:49Mikachuyou have to mount the fat partition with -o utf8
16:41:49Mikachuthen it should work fine
16:41:49rmrmgok, i ckech it
16:41:49Bgerhaha XavierGr :)
16:41:49Bgerselling one LCD ? :P
16:41:49rmrmgMikachu: thx!! now it's work
16:41:49DBUGEnqueued KICK Mikachu
16:41:49Mikachurmrmg: you're welcome
16:41:49XavierGrGuess what? All remotes I tested with the H100 tick. Finally I can be assured that it is a unit defect.
16:41:49DBUGEnqueued KICK rmrmg
16:41:49rmrmgyou sholud add this info to UTF howto file
16:41:49Mikachui'll add a note in IpodInstallitionFromLinux
16:41:49BgerMikachu this isn't iPod specific ...
16:41:49***Alert Mode level 1
16:41:49rmrmgi have H300
16:41:49***Alert Mode level 2
16:41:49Mikachuah heh
16:41:49***Alert Mode level 3
16:41:49Mikachui'll add a note there anyway
16:41:49***Alert Mode level 4
16:41:49Mikachusince it has some details about mounting already
16:41:49Bgerbtw, what about including cyrillic & greek in the default font ?...
16:41:49DBUGEnqueued KICK XavierGr
16:41:49XavierGris there a way to mod nimbus 14 to be unifont?
16:41:49XavierGror find a font that looks like it and is unifont?
16:41:49BgerXavierGr or u add the uni glyphs on your own to it
16:41:49***Alert Mode level 5
16:41:49rmrmgdo you know any linux program to convert ogg and mp3 tag from cp1251 to utf?
16:41:49***Alert Mode level 6
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16:41:49Bgerrmrmg ah, this is interesting for me too
16:41:59Mikachueasytag has options for which encoding to use, but it's a bit tricky to get it to actually convert something existing
16:44:53Bgerhaha any chances for the iriver sim to have different remotes in the future ?
16:45:39webguest76Some enterprising individual could probably cook up a generic linux script using the recode utility
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16:46:22rmrmgBger: easytag can do it
16:46:30Bgerrmrmg ah, 10x
16:48:38Bgeruse non-standard charset for reading tags ?
16:51:50***Alert Mode OFF
16:52:44rmrmgpreferences -> convert charset set from to
16:52:44Mikachuhe changed something in recent versions, i didn't get it working with those
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16:52:44Mikachubut .8 works fine at least
16:52:44Mikachunote that it only writes v2.3 tags
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16:58:35rmrmgnope, it's not work
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16:58:57rmrmgin easytag is okey but in other program no,
16:59:59Mikachulike i said, it's tricky and i think 1.99.8 is the last where it works
17:00:47rmrmgi have 1.99.5
17:01:23Mikachuiirc, you need to first set the settings to 'convert from <charset your tags are in now> to utf-8'
17:01:31Mikachuthen open the dir with the files
17:01:36Mikachuand then change the settings again
17:01:41Mikachuthen modify the tags someway, and then save them
17:01:56Mikachuie, change the settings to 'from utf-8 to utf-8'
17:02:54rmrmghmm strange
17:06:50XavierGrso any news on the USB_OTG front from petur?
17:08:33BgerXavierGr afaik, no:(
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17:18:47XavierGrsince when? Long time no see man!
17:18:47XavierGrHow is Japan?
17:19:17dproanyone tried rockbox on ipod minis ?
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17:27:18XavierGrdoes has problems for you?
17:27:18Bgeras being slow ?
17:27:21safetydanXavierGr, seems to be slow for everyone
17:27:34dproworks alright for me
17:27:38XavierGrah okay then. I just can't navigate at all.
17:27:59Bgerit's probably Bagder downloading warez:P
17:28:00XavierGrnow it is fine, strnage
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18:28:24safetydanlostlogic, you around?
18:28:24lostlogicdan: yeah
18:28:29lostlogic'mi breakin' things?
18:28:35Mikachulostlogic: :)
18:28:37Mikachui was bored
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18:30:54safetydanlostlogic, I can reproduce the seek to beginning of track issue with latest CVS on my h120
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18:30:54diablogmp3i have a question about ipod port of rockbox
18:30:54lostlogicsafetydan: seek or skip?
18:30:54lostlogicMikachu: cool
18:30:54safetydanlostlogic, start playing, seek forward, then short tap back so the song starts again
18:30:54safetydanfirst song in the playlist
18:30:54rmrmgMikachu: i convert tag to utf but i have problem w/ look on rmrmg/">
18:30:54DBUGEnqueued KICK safetydan
18:30:54safetydanWPS says "Paused" and then the system hangs
18:30:54rmrmgMikachu: do you have any idea what is wrong?
18:30:54Mikachurmrmg: no idea there sorry
18:31:07lostlogicsafetydan: hmmmm, I'll take a look, thanks for the more info.
18:31:21safetydanlostlogic, if you turn on the memory access debugger you get a little more info
18:31:24safetydanbut nothing useful
18:31:36safetydanat 00000001
18:32:01lostlogicwell the wps saying paused is helpful...
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18:36:42diablogmp3will the IR control of iPod via dock and remote be implemented on ipod ?
18:36:42lostlogicdiablogmp3: if someone decides to implement them, sure...
18:36:46diablogmp3ok thanks :)
18:37:51diablogmp3i asked it because i have a sound dock for my g4 and if the ir is implemented on rockbox, sure i'll install it on my ipod :)
18:38:45safetydanlostlogic, actually, after doing a clean rebuild from HEAD I can't reproduce the issue...
18:38:45lostlogicWell, I don't know of anyone planning to implement it yet...
18:39:03lostlogicsafetydan: w00t! let me know if you do again −− I did do a pause fix this morning (no more separate paused variable, let pcm manage pause at a lower level)
18:39:42safetydanlostlogic, actually I just had it happen again :(
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18:43:03lostlogicsafetydan: does the disk LED go on when it freezes, or is there any correlation between disk led and freezes in this case?
18:43:24safetydanlostlogic, no disk led
18:44:03safetydanhrm... it crashed so bad it rebooted in to the iRiver firmware :)
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18:44:40lostlogicwell the good news that it's iriver specific... and the bad news is that it's iriver specific
18:44:51lostlogicso... what did I do differently in pcm_playback.c between the two
18:46:26safetydanit may be something to do with disk reading...
18:46:42safetydanit happens consistently if I make any seek backward or track skipping while the buffer is filling
18:47:28lostlogicok, thanks
18:49:48safetydanyeah it's definitely disk related
18:49:48safetydansimplest reproducable case I have is
18:49:48safetydan1. Start track playing
18:49:55safetydan2. Seek a little bit forward while the disk led is flashing
18:49:58safetydan3. Short tap backwards
18:50:02safetydanlock up
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18:50:30safetydanWPS will say "Paused", backlight goes on and stays on and system hangs
18:56:14bam_quick question when upgrading cvs, what files do I need to copy to do so?
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18:56:14lostlogicbam_: easiest to make zip and then just unzip the zip
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18:56:14Bgerpoor lostlogic ... :)
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18:56:14bam_the stop=>play bug is still there...
18:56:52cariniBger: You took ownership of 4913?
18:57:26Bgerabout to commit it with some more fixes
18:58:02cariniHow about the patch for the sim to generate remote keypresses?
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18:58:44auslaenderHi there...
18:58:46Bgerits already commited
18:59:37cariniok. i missed that commit.
19:02:35cariniIs the website overloaded or is it just me?
19:02:35Bgeri have problems too
19:02:35Nico_Pyes me too
19:02:35auslaenderwhere is the .bin file I need? I can't find it on the website... the FAQ/manual page only links to the regular download page
19:02:38Mikachuthe .bin file you need to do what?
19:03:15Bgercarini ops, i'm wrong
19:03:15cariniabout 4905 being committed?
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19:03:22Bgeryep, about this
19:03:34auslaendergot a question about flashing to my Archos Recorder 20
19:03:56Bgeramiconn ?
19:03:56cariniBger: Think it could be committed? It was useful for testing the other patch.
19:04:21Bgercarini i made my own button_test.rock
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19:05:00Bgerbut i'll look at it too
19:07:13cariniso you load that in the sim and it generates remote buttons instead?
19:07:13Bgerah, no, i'm testing it on the target
19:07:13cariniAh. 4905 was for the sim, so you could generate remote keypresses.
19:07:13cariniBut your rock for the target would be pretty useful to commit, too.
19:07:13auslaenderlooks like the site is having problems... please respond if you can read this
19:07:27cariniYeah, the site is having problems.
19:07:39Bgercarini i don't think the cvs is a place for testing sources ...
19:08:15cariniBger: Well, it is a rock, so it doesn't get in anyone's way.
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19:08:37cariniBger: But it's certainly your call.
19:12:03Bgerbut otoh it's good somewhere to have such sources ...
19:12:03Nico_Pi've just installed kubuntu and i get an error message when trying to configure binutils
19:12:03Nico_Pconfigure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
19:12:03cariniyep. Especially if it helps prevent bugs that stop the remotes from working :-)
19:14:13dproNico_P: gcc −−version ? as −−version ?
19:14:24Bgercarini: so, these patches are yours/
19:14:31lostlogicsafetydan: well this bug has 'forced' me to unify the shared code in pcm_playback.c so it's not an all bad thing... still haven't found the bug though.
19:14:35Nico_Pgcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
19:16:58Nico_PAssembleur GNU 2.16.1 Debian GNU/Linux
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19:16:58Nico_Pmaybe i should use gcc 3.4 ? i have it installed but i don't know how to use that one instead of gcc 4.0...
19:16:58cariniBger: 4905 and 4913
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19:17:54Bgernls :))
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19:22:03Nico_Pis someone able to help me ?
19:22:03BgerNico_P with ?
19:22:03Nico_PAssembleur GNU 2.16.1 Debian GNU/Linux
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19:22:03Nico_Pi've just installed kubuntu and i get an error message when trying to configure binutils
19:22:03Nico_Pconfigure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
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19:22:03Moosnls: Hi,checked my pm?
19:22:03BgerSlasheri ? lostlogic ?
19:22:27nlslet's hope I didn't break the manual
19:22:55Mooshehe :)
19:23:30Moosnls: do you registred at freenode?
19:24:48lostlogicsafetydan: want to test a patch?
19:26:04Bgerlostlogic i could try too
19:26:04cariniNico_P: Did you check config.log?
19:26:23nlsusing the web client here (maybe I should get a real irc client)
19:26:23nlswich one is good for windows?
19:27:32MoosX chat is good, or Hydra Irc
19:27:32Papricablah, the playback still hung
19:27:32lostlogicgah, CVS is doing that _thing_
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19:27:32lostlogicPaprica: my bug?
19:27:41Bgerlostlogic the is doing _that_ thing ..
19:28:07Bgercvs [diff aborted]: connect to failed: Connection timed out
19:30:57bam_yes, lostlogic if its the stop->play bug
19:30:57lostlogicBger: it's pretty much a reversion of a previous commit for now until I fix more threading issues in playback. it appears on h1x0 only because that's the only target fast enough to trigger it (I think)
19:30:57bam_I fell back to the 23rd cvs
19:30:57Bgerit seems it's caused by a router loop
19:30:57bam_no problem there
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19:30:57*lostlogic beats zagor with a router
19:30:57Bgeror i'm wrong
19:30:57lostlogicbam_: Paprica: try that patch?
19:30:57Nico_Pcarini: where is config.log ?
19:30:57Papricai'll try
19:30:57Nico_Psorry i'm quite a linux noob
19:30:57DBUGEnqueued KICK bam_
19:30:57bam_not sure how to use the patches yet...
19:30:57BgerNico_P should be in the same dir
19:30:57Nico_Pah ok
19:30:57lostlogicbam_: hehe, no worries, looks like i have plenty of testers in here ;)
19:30:57dproNico_P: can you compile sth. like "main(){}"
19:30:57cariniNico_P: config.log should have the output from configure. You can see the exact error message it got when it tried to make an exexcutable.
19:31:48Nico_Pconfigure:1922: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works
19:31:49Nico_Pconfigure:1938: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5
19:31:49Nico_P/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
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19:31:49Nico_Pconfigure: failed program was:
19:32:27bam_has anyone compiled multiple versions of the favorites plugin?
19:32:49bam_like say to make another playlist by a different name?
19:33:17cariniNico_P: Try copying the failed program to a file and running "gcc -c conftest.c"
19:34:07dproapt-get install libc6-dev
19:34:09Bgerlostlogic trying in a minute
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19:34:49nlsok then
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19:35:21Bgerdoesn't lock up for now ..
19:37:13Moosnls: now register at freenode
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19:37:13Nico_Pi created a c source file with "main(){}" and executed gcc -c on it and it worked
19:37:13Nico_Pie it created an o file
19:37:13dproNicoP: try without -c
19:37:13Nico_Pnicolas@ubuntu:~$ gcc test.c
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19:37:13dproNico_P: won't work because you're missing crt1.o
19:37:13safetydanlostlogic, sure I can test a patch if you haven't got anyone else
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19:37:13Bgerlostlogic but it seems alogical for me to go in pause mode while "seeking' to the beginning of the track
19:37:13dproNico_P: -c makes a lib,
19:37:13DBUGEnqueued KICK dpro
19:37:13dproNico_P: but you want an executable
19:37:31Nico_Pso what should i do ?
19:37:47dproNico'_P: apt-get install libc6-dev
19:38:02dproNico_P: IIRC it's in there
19:38:28Bgerlostlogic i can't freeze it for now ...
19:39:03lostlogicBger: it's a techincality of how the seeks are handled that it displays that, and it will probably change as I work on playback over coming weeks.
19:40:47Nico_Pyay now it works :D
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19:40:47Nico_Pwhat's the current recommended gcc version for building on coldfire ? i don't really understand what's said in the crosscompiler wiki page
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19:40:54lostlogiclatest 3.x version
19:41:16Nico_P3.4.x or 3.x.x ?
19:41:17BgerNico_P 3.4.6 atm
19:41:28Mikachu3.4.6 is the last 3.x release
19:41:35Nico_Pok thx
19:41:42Bgerbut 3.4.4 works too for now
19:41:43Mikachu(there will be no more)
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19:41:57BgerMikachu sure ?
19:42:37Mikachuat least about 3.4.x
19:42:41lostlogic*giggle* so I commit the fix to that playback bug along with my next refactoring which will probably break something else, this sure is going to be a fun few weeks :)
19:42:41MikachuBranch status: GCC 3.4.6 is the last release from the 3.4 series; the branch has been closed after the release.
19:43:25Bgerlostlogic haha
19:44:25safetydanlostlogic, so long as it all works out in the end :)
19:44:28dprolostlogic: so what is your patch giong to fix about the payback system ?
19:44:32Bgerdon't be too rude in this, otherwise your mom will be mentioned much ...
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19:49:14safetydanmaybe I'll need to look at simulator sound again
19:49:14lostlogicdpro: read cvs commit comments or chat logs
19:49:14lostlogicsafetydan: so far I shouldn't have futzed with that at all.
19:49:14safetydanlostlogic, I wasn't saying you've changed it, just that I might need to look at it again since it's based on pcm_playback.c
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19:50:11lostlogicsafetydan: gotcha
19:50:28lostlogicsafetydan: sorry
19:51:03safetydanno worries :)
19:51:19lostlogicsafetydan: what I've changed is how pause is treated so that pause state is remembered in the pcm_playback code, even if audio playback is stopped and started. This way there is no need for a separate paused variable in playback.c
19:52:27lostlogicit gives a more practically applicable interface to the rest of the system from the pcm
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19:55:35*Bger just saw the lostlogic's gallery from the devcon
19:55:35lostlogicman, something effed up on the build system on that last commit
19:55:35lostlogiconly 6 servers responded and a bunch of builds weren't completed
19:55:35Bgeri think the problem is in the inet connection of the ..
19:57:11Bger <= what have you done here ? :)
19:58:26lostlogicThat's Linus' stuff :)
19:58:31Bgeryeah :)
19:58:32Nico_Pnice photos :)
19:59:51Bgerhaha that's probably amiconn debugging the coldfire ata read stuff
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20:01:32Slasherilostlogic: hmm, do you think it's really good idea to unify the pcm_playback.c? i think it might be better to just split it for different hardware
20:04:17cariniBger: I gotta go. Any thoughts about those patches?
20:04:17lostlogicSlasheri: all of the fucntions except for pause that I unified were identical any way
20:04:17lostlogicand pause has critical features which must be the same on all targets and which are not hardware specific
20:04:17lostlogicso yes.
20:04:17Bgercarini i'll commit the target one
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20:04:17Slasheriyep, true. but it has also many functions which are not identical with other platforms so the code is full of ifdefs
20:04:17cariniBger: Cool. Is something wrong with the sim one?
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20:04:17Bgernothing, just havent looked at it yet
20:04:34cariniOK. Leave a comment in the patch if I need to fix something. Thanks!
20:04:34lostlogicSlasheri: it would be reasonable to write the target specific code that is used in pause as static inlines in the larger target sections, or in a separate file, but the structure of the function should be shared.
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20:07:17Nico_Pwtf ? i "don't have permission" to run "../tools/configure"
20:07:27lostlogicNico_P: chmod +x ../tools/configure
20:07:50Nico_Pi'm such a noob
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20:13:51Nico_Pok another prob... :(
20:13:51Nico_Pgcc -g scramble.o iriver.o -o scramble
20:13:51Nico_Pscramble.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
20:13:51Nico_Pcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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20:18:40arf-arfNico_P, when you find the answer to that one, can you post a reply:
20:18:53arf-arfI've had the same thing myself
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20:21:38Nico_Parf-arf: i tried to compile from files i had checked out from cygwin
20:21:38Nico_Pi just copied them
20:21:38Nico_Papparently it's not a good idea
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20:21:38Nico_Pi just checked the files out again
20:25:27Nico_Phow do i get sdl ?
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20:28:51Bgerlostlogic i've got more builds than u :P
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20:32:26lostlogicBger: :-P
20:32:26dproNico_P: sdl .. ah for the emulator "apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev"
20:32:26BgerTell Brandon other tests he should take! hahaha
20:33:00lostlogicoh dear, they're reading the website.
20:33:10lostlogicit's broken still, isn't it? links on the left are all stupid?
20:33:12Nico_Pdpro: thanks
20:33:44Bgerlostlogic haha yes, but the statusbar is enough for me :P
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20:38:23ep0chlostlogic: hi, i've think i've just discovered a bug with playback (not related to your recent changes though)
20:39:09KyomiI dont know if this has been fixed yet.... but why when I push the >> button to go to the next song it takes like 4 seconds?
20:39:09KyomiAnd the song keeps playing
20:39:14lostlogicep0ch: tell me about it, hoepfully it's on the list of things that my various future refactorings will fix\
20:39:14KyomiShouldn't it be like...instant?
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20:39:41scott318hi all
20:39:57lostlogicKyomi: that's roughly on the list of things likely to be fixed in my current efforts
20:41:27ep0chlostlogic: to summarize the first track in one my folders is called "Intro" and it is just 4 seconds long (about 57 kb), it doesnt get played, instead it jumps to the next track
20:41:27ep0chlostlogic: i'm sure it used to work a long time ago
20:41:27lostlogicep0ch: beats me why that would be, you sure it's a valid file of whatever format it is?
20:41:27ep0chyeah am listening to it now on my laptop
20:41:27DBUGEnqueued KICK ep0ch
20:41:27ep0chtried it on both ihp and video
20:41:27lostlogicep0ch: do the stock firmwares play it?
20:41:53ep0chlostlogic: its Vorbis, please please don't make me go into stock iriver firmware :s
20:42:06lostlogicep0ch: run an ogginfo -v on it
20:42:21scott3181 quick question (hope i'm not interrupting): i love rockbox on my ipod 5g, but is there a way to sort files by id3 tag info, not file name?
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20:43:21ep0chlostlogic: any idea when you first commited the revised playback changes?
20:43:21lostlogicscott318: there's the current tagdb and tagcache is being worked on
20:43:21lostlogicep0ch: I've been doing incremental changes for the past few days
20:43:21scott318lostlogic: thanks! is there anything I can do to help, test, etc.
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20:43:53lostlogicscott318: talk to slasheri about the tagcache, but he might be frustrated by being asked about it as often as he is :)
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20:44:22scott318lostlogic: k i will lol
20:44:37ep0chlostlogic: i mean the first changes you made, when you took over from Slasheri :)
20:44:51lostlogicoh, jeeze, not a clue
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20:46:12lostlogiclunchtime, back later
20:51:40ep0chlostlogic: yeah stock f/w plays it on iriver
20:51:40Nico_P../tools/configure: line 1019: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found
20:51:40Nico_PWARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path!
20:51:40Nico_PWARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the
20:51:40Nico_PWARNING: checks we want now.
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20:51:40lostlogicep0ch: does it attempt to play it all (show its name? for how long?) or just skip right over it?
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20:51:40Nico_Pit worked fine before...
20:51:40ep0chjust skips it completely, i'm sure it worked with slasheri's playback code, so i'm trying to role back. enjoy your lunch :)
20:51:40MikachuNico_P: you need to set the path correctly
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20:51:40Nico_Phow do i do that ?
20:51:40Mikachusince it worked before, you should know :)
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20:51:40Nico_Pi did do "export PATH=/home/linus/sh1/bin:$PATH", adapted to my system
20:51:40Mikachuyeah, that's what you want to run
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20:51:40Nico_Pit worked, and then it stopped working
20:51:40Mikachuthat's because you're in another terminal now
20:51:40Mikachuit's a per session setting only
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20:51:40Mikachuyou may want to put it in ~/.bashrc or whatever cygwin uses
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20:51:40Nico_Pi'm not on cygwin anymore
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20:51:40Mikachuwhat are you in?
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20:51:40Mikachuah sorry, i just assumed you were on windows since everyone here seems to be :)
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20:51:41Nico_Pi was but i changed today
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20:51:41Mikachuthen it should most likely be the file i wrote
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20:51:41Nico_Pi'm a pretty big linux noob
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20:51:41Nico_Pyeah i have it, i'll add the line
20:52:14Nico_Pthanks :)
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21:03:16Nico_Pdoes someone have the latest scroll margins patch ?
21:03:16Nico_Pflyspray isn't accessible right now
21:05:29PapricaNico_P, try again
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21:05:38Nico_Pyes i spole too soon
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21:18:03KyomiSo they did add the option to have the first key press get backlight on
21:18:16KyomiBut now I'm use to just hitting record to get the backlight on XD
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21:24:22lostlogicep0ch: it's not like I've rewritten the playback code or anything, it's still Slasheri's... I'm just refactoring it for thread safety and stuff
21:26:14preglowand hooray for that
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21:28:11Kyomihmmm go down?
21:28:25KyomiIt's getting picky now
21:29:36preglowworks just fine here
21:30:48ep0chseems to be up and down
21:33:53KyomiI should probably get the update now
21:33:53KyomiSince the last one I have is 3/23
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21:35:26iJasonWhen making your own progress bar for the wps's, what do you need to do so it "fills" correctly during song playback?
21:37:24MarcoPoloi'm looking a rockbox wiki pages about rockbox architecture and they are very nice to read
21:38:42iJasonyea, i want to make my own killer wps, im just experimenting modifying some of the basic wps;s
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21:49:01MarcoPolowhy can't rockbox go in disk mode without switching to apple disk mode ?
21:49:12preglowbecause we have no disk mode of our own
21:49:18preglowwe don't know how it works
21:49:44preglowwe have no documentation on the ipod, so we have to dig through the code of the original os to find out how it works first, and that's a lot of work
21:50:39MarcoPolopreglow: ok, I understand :) (i'm trying to understand the code) So usb_slave_mode() never gets called for ipod
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21:52:24preglowi don't quite know, i'm not too familiar with that part of the code
21:52:53MarcoPolopreglow: ok
21:54:16MarcoPolopreglow: how can I find documentation about the hexadecimal adresses I can find in the code ? where did you get'em from ?
21:54:46preglowMarcoPolo: we got them from ipodlinux, and the reason they haven't given them descpritive names, is that they don't really know what all of them do...
21:55:05preglowMarcoPolo: like i said, we have absolutely no docs on the portalplayer chip at all, all we know comes from reverse engineering
21:55:42MarcoPolopreglow: so you have done a really nice job !
21:57:29preglowheh, thanks
21:57:41preglowthe ipodlinux guys deserve a lot of the credit, though
21:57:51MarcoPoloyes :)
21:57:51preglowweren't it for them, there would be no ipod rockbox
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21:58:31MarcoPolopreglow: how did you learn programming hardware ? (I ask you this question because I want to try ;))
21:59:39KyomiHey.. do you think that rockbox could emulate c64 on an iRiver H320?
22:00:38preglowMarcoPolo: basically by just programming hardware, if you already can program, just get some hardware and start coding
22:01:00preglowi didn't have much embedded programming experience before starting to code for rockbox
22:01:15preglowand i think that's about a bit over a year ago
22:01:16MarcoPolopreglow: and in reverse engineering ?
22:01:39preglowMarcoPolo: i haven't done very much reverse engineering, but yeah, if you know assembler language for the cpu in question, then that isn't too hard either
22:01:40MarcoPolopreglow: ok, i already can program (rather ui programming for KDE)
22:01:53MarcoPolopreglow: ok
22:02:18MarcoPoloKyomi: k desktop environment (for linux)
22:02:32KyomiI can program some in java :)
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22:07:46BHSPitMonkeyKyomi: that won't do you much good in Rockbox
22:07:57sharpei'm back from my trip!
22:10:08sharpeand i did not realize i forgot to get my copy of the rockbox source on my usb drive instead of just the cvs, so i acomplished nothing! :)
22:10:08ep0chlostlogic: ok wierd, i tried a 5 month old build and rockbox moans about a codec failure on that particular file. Now i'm intrigued why rockbox wont play it...
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22:13:14MrStaticVoidso who do i talk to to put my idle server to work (see /topic)
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22:23:57preglowMrStaticVoid: Bagder og t0mas
22:25:22ep0choh it looks like the rockbox vorbis codec wont play files that are less than 4 seconds long
22:25:33BagderMrStaticVoid: seen this =>
22:25:47MrStaticVoidyeah, ive already set everything up
22:26:33MrStaticVoidi just need the public key, the script, and you guys to say "ok"
22:26:51BagderI'll paste you the key in a /msg
22:26:58BgerBagder what is/was up with the (aka ?
22:28:28Bgervery slow connections all day ...
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22:30:38preglowBagder: you haven't reached the limit where the connection wont cope yet?
22:31:03preglowand btw, what's up with the latest build...
22:32:32Bagderthere seems to be a problem with at least one server and the script doesn't deal with it nicely
22:35:27Bagderunfortunately there isn't yet a very good main log to display these kinds of things
22:35:53BgerBagder i think these were connection problems ...
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22:37:30Bagderit seems unlikely to me
22:38:16BgerBagder believe me or not, not only me experienced problems with, with cvs and etc... see the irc log ...
22:38:17dprowhere can I tell rochbox to treat .c and .h files as .txt ?
22:38:33BagderI believe you, its not about that
22:38:50Bagderthe builds are done by outgoing connections from the server
22:39:03preglowmight have had trouble that way too
22:39:13Bagderjust unlikely
22:40:45CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:40:45*amiconn reappears
22:41:14Bgerdpro there was something like viewers.conf ...
22:41:19Bgerin the .rockbox dir
22:41:39dproBger: thx will have a look
22:42:03Bagderin what ways did you experience connection problems?
22:43:15dproBger: hmmm can't seem to find it ...
22:43:28dproahhh got it
22:43:30BgerBagder timeouts ...
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22:44:44Bgersometimes 100% lost packets 3-4 hops from
22:44:47webguest25I too had problems earlier today.. connection would go away for about 30-60 seconds and come back for a minute
22:44:51Bagderwell, my ssh connections to it has lived all day
22:45:04webguest25A traceroute died somewhere in iirc
22:45:20Bgeryep, something like this
22:45:39dprohehe now browsing the source tree on a nano ;)
22:45:44MarcoPoloSometimes variables are modified and it launches interrupts or so on ... how does it work ?
22:45:50Bgerhaha dpro
22:46:39amiconndpro: Now make rockbox compile on th enano itself ;)
22:46:45dprothough now I can reproduce the bug that was mentioned here last night (textviewer uses only 1/3 of the screen width)
22:46:54Mikachuyou could do that pretty easily with ipl probably (for some values of easy)
22:46:54Paul_The_NerdWe need a gcc and a make .rock
22:46:56dproamiconn: np with ipodlinux ;)
22:47:10Paul_The_NerdAnd the rest of the tools
22:47:24dpropaul: and a slightly more efficient textentry mechanism
22:47:38webguest25well good luck compiling gcc for arm on uclinux...
22:47:59webguest25the way gcc is maintained I'd say the chances are slim
22:48:47Paul_The_Nerddpro: What, morse code isn't good enough for you?
22:50:28amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Some people seem to *require* vi for proper coding...
22:50:59amiconnNow if someone can come up with a decent button mapping for vibox...
22:51:40Paul_The_NerdI'm of the opinion you work with the tools you've got.
22:52:14dpropaul: hehe
22:52:15Paul_The_NerdMorse code, and a single line display should be plenty
22:52:40dproguys gotta go, ttyl
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22:54:44amiconnSomehow I doubt that gcc would run well enough to be able to build rockbox. Not without virtual memory
22:57:43Bger32MB ... i doubt it too
22:58:01Bgereven 64MB on iPod Video ...
22:59:41amiconnWhen I ran my VM with a total of 448MB memory (192MB physical + 256MB swap), compilation failed in z80.c. "Not enough virtual memory"
22:59:51amiconnUpping to 512MB solved the problem
23:01:21Mikachuhrm, i ran ulimit -v 32000 and make finished without problems
23:01:35Mikachutail -f /dev/full complained about no memory right away though
23:02:35amiconnDid you try a full rebuild?
23:02:43Mikachui'm a bit suspicious though
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23:05:20Mikachuhm, it only seems to use 20M
23:06:43amiconnHmm, even z80.c?
23:06:50amiconn(It's part of pacbox)
23:07:00Mikachumy method of looking at top while building isn't very scientific since it only updates every 2 seconds
23:07:20Mikachuwell, setting 12000 fails
23:07:23webguest25you can make it update faster
23:07:38webguest25though I forget the command
23:07:58Mikachu22000 seems to compile too, not z80 yet
23:08:18Mikachuwhich is strange considering amiconns numbers
23:08:58Mikachuz80 built with 22000 too
23:09:30Mikachubut i guess that doesn't include loaded binary sizes and stuff
23:09:38Mikachuand glibc would already be loaded by other programs
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23:10:04Bgernite ;)
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23:44:40Bagderanyone with a commit pending?
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23:47:25preglowdepends what time-frame you're talking :>
23:47:34Bagder20 minutes or so
23:47:42preglowah, no
23:47:46preglowheavy maintainance coming up?
23:47:53BagderI did some script changes and added a server and wanted to see it working before I get to bed
23:48:33preglowhmm, can't think of anything i can commit right now
23:48:33BagderI'll see what can dig up...
23:49:41Mikachu :)
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23:51:12MrStaticVoidyou can swap the play and record button keys in button.h for the x5. thats an obvious problem.
23:52:06Bagderproblem for what?
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23:53:31MrStaticVoidpressing the rec button on the x5 generates 0x2 which is defined as BUTTON_PLAY in button.h. That is a problem, isnt it?
23:54:12MrStaticVoidlikewise pressing play generates what is defined as BUTTON_REC
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23:58:05ThommyRockyIs there a Sim 4 IPOD 5g?

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