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| 00:00:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now I need to make tagcache only scan my /Music folder. |
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| 00:03:14 | kclaf | where is the tagcache thing in rb ? |
| 00:03:19 | kclaf | is it a plugin or smthing ? |
| 00:03:27 | kclaf | can't find it |
| 00:04:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | kclaf: It's in the playback menu. |
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| 00:10:52 | linuxstb | I've made a start on a TagCache wiki page - please help flush it out. I think it would be useful for Slasheri if we could document the obvious bugs in one place for him. |
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| 00:11:31 | kclaf | nice, gonna check the page |
| 00:11:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: That first "Ipod-specific" one happens on H120 too, and I think it was reported on H3x0 from back when old tagdb was being used. |
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| 00:11:54 | b00st4 | paul_the_nerd: u intalled doom? |
| 00:12:03 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: OK, I'll fix. I'm sure the data abort will happen on Archos as well. |
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| 00:12:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: I suppose you could say that, yes. :) |
| 00:12:44 | Bagder | LinusN: did you notice that we have PLAY and REC swapped in button.h for the x5? |
| 00:12:49 | b00st4 | what files do i add to sources? |
| 00:12:55 | amiconn | hej LinusN |
| 00:12:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: The .patch should do it for you |
| 00:13:02 | LinusN | Bagder: yes, so i've been told |
| 00:13:14 | Bagder | LinusN: tree.c assumes rec for the menu... :-) |
| 00:13:16 | LinusN | hi amiconn |
| 00:13:43 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you think it would be a good idea to commit wavplay? |
| 00:14:02 | LinusN | amiconn: yes i do, just so we don't forget it |
| 00:14:07 | b00st4 | rockdoom-src-0.81.diff? |
| 00:14:18 | b00st4 | should work for 0.87 too |
| 00:14:31 | amiconn | Imho it's also a nice preview for true pcm playback integration |
| 00:14:39 | preglow | anyone opposed to me adding another option for the piezo speaker click on clickwheel event thing? |
| 00:14:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: Are you on iPod or on iRiver? |
| 00:14:44 | b00st4 | ipod |
| 00:14:54 | b00st4 | 5g |
| 00:14:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: Use the last .diff from Llorean, and the .zip before it. |
| 00:15:02 | Mikachu | preglow: you committed it? |
| 00:15:14 | preglow | Mikachu: no, but i'm thinking of getting it in a commitable state |
| 00:15:18 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:15:27 | preglow | and i for one don't want the thing on, so i think an option is required |
| 00:15:34 | b00st4 | there is no Llorean :D |
| 00:15:46 | linuxstb | preglow: No objections. What are you going to make the default? I think it should be enabled to help blind users. |
| 00:15:46 | b00st4 | Karl Kurbjun (kkurbjun)? |
| 00:15:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: Paul Louden |
| 00:15:49 | JdGordon | wtf? i just updated to the very latest cvs source and still dont have the tagcache options.. ? |
| 00:15:53 | b00st4 | kk |
| 00:15:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: Is it DarkkOne there then? |
| 00:16:04 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, blind people is the only reason i ever implemented it |
| 00:16:09 | preglow | i'll certainly never use it |
| 00:16:15 | b00st4 | so not the latest src |
| 00:16:18 | linuxstb | preglow: Nor will I. |
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| 00:16:35 | Mikachu | my beeper plugin makes my nano shut down without fail within 5 minutes every time |
| 00:16:43 | t0mas | what? |
| 00:16:51 | preglow | Mikachu: perhaps all plugins shut down after 5 min? |
| 00:16:54 | Mikachu | i think maybe it doesn't like using the cpu too much |
| 00:17:03 | Mikachu | it has happened in pacman in more extended playing too |
| 00:17:06 | t0mas | Mikachu: what are you trying to implement? |
| 00:17:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: The latest ones are H3x0 specific and I don't *think* they've been fixed for iPod yet |
| 00:17:07 | Mikachu | but not anywhere else |
| 00:17:13 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, since we have no current lang files, i was thinking we might actually want to make it default to on for now |
| 00:17:20 | preglow | linuxstb: current voice files, i mean |
| 00:17:21 | amiconn | LinusN: The good (or bad?) thing is that wavplay increases the probability of the sporadic MMC driver hang on Ondio, probably because it puts heavy load on both serial interfaces |
| 00:17:48 | t0mas | Mikachu: timer plugin? |
| 00:17:51 | amiconn | Maybe that will help me figure out what's going on... |
| 00:18:08 | Mikachu | t0mas: no, what the plugin does is not so important... just that the nano seems to shut down when you use 100% cpu for too long |
| 00:18:09 | LinusN | amiconn: interesting |
| 00:18:24 | Mikachu | apparently i'm the only one who made it past level 3 in pacman on a nano |
| 00:18:24 | t0mas | Mikachu: yeah, but I am interested in what it does.. |
| 00:18:26 | amiconn | On recorder it works like a charm, apart from the disk spinning up every 10 seconds with 44.1 stereo wavs |
| 00:18:35 | Mikachu | t0mas: http://mikachu.ath.cx/beeper.c |
| 00:18:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: That's odd, since before the CPU speed adjustment, it ran at 100% cpu constantly |
| 00:19:05 | amiconn | LinusN: I already have a suspicion, but no idea how to verify it... |
| 00:19:09 | Mikachu | i don't mean having the frequency at 75 mhz, i mean actually using the cpu instead of idling |
| 00:19:11 | t0mas | Mikachu: ok |
| 00:19:31 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:19:31 | * | t0mas goes to bed... |
| 00:19:34 | t0mas | 0:19 already |
| 00:19:36 | t0mas | stupid summertime |
| 00:19:37 | Mikachu | me too |
| 00:19:39 | Mikachu | indeed |
| 00:19:50 | t0mas | night |
| 00:19:56 | amiconn | Even then, Ondio runs more stable than anything swcodec atm :/ |
| 00:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Aaah. Well, how do you know it's using 100% of the cpu, instead of just being constantly boosted? |
| 00:20:11 | b00st4 | hm, it fails all, but im too tired to fix that now... |
| 00:20:13 | JdGordon | hey LinusN, u gonna commit that patch, or u want me to fix that 1 mistake first? |
| 00:20:17 | amiconn | Wtf... tagcache adds a whopping 8KB to the binary? Certainly fishy, since it is meant to replace tagdb... |
| 00:20:28 | preglow | amiconn: has it yet, though? |
| 00:20:34 | b00st4 | im out pz, hx for ur help guys, would neva have made this :D |
| 00:20:44 | b00st4 | sleep well everybody |
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| 00:21:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think i'll fix it |
| 00:21:27 | JdGordon | :) |
| 00:21:56 | LinusN | have you compiled it on all targets? |
| 00:22:45 | Bagder | "pz, hx for ur" |
| 00:22:51 | Bagder | now what language is that? |
| 00:23:13 | Bagder | those kids... |
| 00:23:24 | LinusN | you're too old |
| 00:23:32 | Bagder | and grumpy! |
| 00:23:36 | * | Bagder shakes fist |
| 00:23:48 | kclaf | i wish they had put a hdd led on the ipod |
| 00:24:01 | kclaf | cant know when tagcache update is done |
| 00:24:14 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i don't have the cpu scaling enabled.. and i know pacman uses nearly all cpu power, and i know i'm only yielding without sleeping in my plugin |
| 00:24:32 | preglow | Mikachu: have you found some pitch value that sounded the most pleasing? :-) |
| 00:24:41 | * | amiconn likes DST |
| 00:24:44 | linuxstb | kclaf: You should see a "virtual LED" in the status bar (unless you have disabled the status bar...) |
| 00:24:45 | Mikachu | heh, no, but you can use my beeper plugin to find one :P |
| 00:24:54 | * | Bagder votes for DST time zone all year around |
| 00:25:02 | preglow | gmt+1 ! |
| 00:25:05 | Mikachu | i think we should switch time zones every day |
| 00:25:06 | linuxstb | kclaf: Or go to Info->Debug->Tag Cache |
| 00:25:15 | Mikachu | i want australian time tomorrow |
| 00:25:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I'm just curious if it's 100% use, or something else. I thought pacman didn't use *all* of it on Nano, since it's throttled to 30fps, and hits more than that without throttling. |
| 00:25:45 | kclaf | linuxstb : just next to the clock, it that it ? |
| 00:25:51 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: well, the only other thing that is common to them is i touch the scroll wheel constantly for 10 minutes |
| 00:26:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well then, it could be a scroll wheel driver problem. So there. :-P Hehehe |
| 00:26:08 | linuxstb | Rockbox ran happilly for months at a constant 75MHz. So I can't see how pacbox constantly boosting the CPU can cause any problems. |
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| 00:26:33 | Mikachu | linuxstb: surely running real instructions rather than sleeping makes a difference, regardless of the frequency? |
| 00:26:37 | linuxstb | How does the idle timer work? Does touching the scrollwheel affect it? |
| 00:26:44 | linuxstb | s/affect/reset/ |
| 00:26:50 | Mikachu | and like i said i disabled the cpu scaling |
| 00:27:12 | JdGordon | u guys have it easy with dst.. we were supposed to come out of it sat night (2 days ago), but no.,. because of the blody commonwealth games we dont get out till next w/e.. so my comp is showing the time an hour behind |
| 00:27:15 | linuxstb | kclaf: Yes, in the top-right corner. |
| 00:27:16 | JdGordon | bloody games! |
| 00:27:24 | Mikachu | i have to sleep now.. sorry to bring something up and leave |
| 00:27:27 | JdGordon | anyway, gonn be late to uni.. cyaz |
| 00:27:46 | kclaf | ok now i'm sure, rb really rocks |
| 00:29:43 | webguest16 | JdGordon: That's precious.. so a random cultural event changes when dst is? |
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| 00:31:31 | kclaf | ok i think i made it crash |
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| 00:31:42 | kclaf | by browsing all songs |
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| 00:32:43 | kclaf | and now data abort at 00016C54 by browsing artists |
| 00:33:28 | preglow | tagcache still has some way to, yes |
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| 00:34:21 | kclaf | yea i know, im just saying the issues i get, if that could help in any way |
| 00:35:02 | linuxstb | kclaf: Do you have tagcache on disk or in RAM? |
| 00:36:24 | kclaf | disk |
| 00:36:32 | kclaf | i read your wiki page about ipod issue |
| 00:38:31 | amiconn | Bagder: Is there a reason for swapping the internal codes of REC and PLAY for X5? I can't see one... |
| 00:38:40 | Bagder | because they were wrong |
| 00:38:56 | Bagder | the play button sent a REC code |
| 00:39:01 | Bagder | and vice versa |
| 00:39:32 | preglow | anyone thought of a nice way to detect if a file has updated tag data? |
| 00:39:40 | amiconn | I mean this one http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/export/button.h.diff?r1=1.49&r2=1.50 not the following |
| 00:39:51 | amiconn | This merely swaps the bits used for REC and PLAY |
| 00:40:23 | amiconn | Shouldn't change behaviour at all, unless some place doesn't use these constants |
| 00:40:30 | Bagder | hm, no it was probably just a stupid ifix |
| 00:40:30 | LinusN | Bagder: you should have changed the button scanning code instead |
| 00:40:37 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:41:24 | amiconn | LinusN: YOu forgot to bump the api... |
| 00:41:38 | LinusN | damn |
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| 00:42:12 | amiconn | I'll have to bump it as well for wavplay. |
| 00:42:50 | LinusN | too late |
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| 00:47:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Builds seem to hang again... |
| 00:47:24 | Bagder | there's a single server doing this to us |
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| 00:48:03 | Bagder | I'm disabling it |
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| 00:48:45 | preglow | sweet god |
| 00:48:47 | preglow | i am such a fool |
| 00:49:18 | linuxstb | Is anyone else having problems with tagcache displaying (and playing) albums in a random order (i.e. ignoring the tracknumber tag)? |
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| 00:51:00 | Bagder | the 8th server was done after 265 seconds |
| 00:51:06 | Bagder | the ninth after 745 |
| 00:51:25 | kclaf | i get freezes only by browsing artists |
| 00:52:08 | midkay | it'd be cool to like.. have plugins have their own minimum api requirement.. and so if the api version is, say. 1.6, and a plugin only requires 1.4, then it can safely run rather than 'incompatible version'.. or something. |
| 00:52:27 | amiconn | Bagder: Christi's server seems to have path problems. "m68k-elf-gcc: No such file or directory" |
| 00:52:38 | Bagder | yes, I disabled m68k for her server just now |
| 00:54:47 | preglow | arghghhh |
| 00:56:04 | preglow | oooh, david's fixed the long issues |
| 00:56:05 | * | preglow tests |
| 00:58:16 | preglow | amiconn: now wavpack works on amd64 too |
| 00:58:40 | preglow | amiconn: which makes libmad the only problem left |
| 00:59:31 | LinusN | midkay: that's exactly how it works today |
| 00:59:33 | midkay | Bagder, if you changed the mapping in button.c, don't you need to switch it back for tree.h? |
| 00:59:34 | midkay | :) |
| 00:59:41 | midkay | LinusN, hmm? |
| 00:59:54 | Bagder | midkay: no, it was supposed to be switched in both places |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:23 | midkay | doesn't that negate the change, though? swapping them in one place, and then swapping them again elsewhere? |
| 01:00:34 | midkay | ah, never mind.. |
| 01:00:59 | amiconn | preglow: nice :) |
| 01:01:11 | amiconn | wavplay committed. |
| 01:01:50 | preglow | but ok, minipoll: i've added a tick for each clickwheel emitted to make it easier for blind people to recognize when something happened. should this click be emitted as part of the button driver or as part of the list widget? |
| 01:01:55 | preglow | yea or nay |
| 01:01:59 | amiconn | Bagder: What caused/causes the holes in the build table? |
| 01:02:10 | Bagder | ssh failures |
| 01:02:22 | Bagder | that isn't properly taken care of by the master script |
| 01:02:32 | midkay | preglow, it should be disablable, right?.. button driver, i think.. thus global.. |
| 01:02:50 | preglow | option, yes |
| 01:03:10 | midkay | i say global, then, for sure.. |
| 01:03:11 | preglow | only problem with the button driver issue is that the tick sound not always will correlate to movemt |
| 01:03:15 | preglow | like in games and such |
| 01:03:27 | * | amiconn thinks the build table looks like a swiss cheese today |
| 01:03:48 | LinusN | amiconn: if your cheese is that green, throw it away |
| 01:03:49 | midkay | amiconn, i was looking at the design at the right, with all the reds. it looks like a face with a W mouth.. |
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| 01:04:04 | midkay | preglow, that's true.. |
| 01:04:20 | tucoz | linuxstb: I am not sure, but it looks like it sorts the files correctly, just inversed order |
| 01:04:26 | midkay | but that'd be .. 'rare'? |
| 01:04:36 | midkay | there might be a few games with such a problem, but.. |
| 01:04:45 | LinusN | preglow: a global button click/beep would be nice on all platforms |
| 01:05:19 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 01:05:23 | LinusN | nite all |
| 01:05:23 | preglow | LinusN: i'm not quite certain i'm up for that |
| 01:05:29 | preglow | i want this commited so i can do other work :> |
| 01:05:31 | amiconn | preglow: Nice type in wav2vw.c... "chuck header" |
| 01:05:33 | LinusN | preglow: booooo |
| 01:05:33 | preglow | LinusN: gnight |
| 01:05:38 | amiconn | s/type/typo/ |
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| 01:06:14 | preglow | hahah |
| 01:06:54 | preglow | the problem i have with the ticking on the ipod is: 1) i want each tick to be uniform length, say 10ms 2) the asynchronous manner of the clickwheel handler makes it very hard to achieve without using timer.c |
| 01:06:58 | amiconn | Was there before, I think |
| 01:07:47 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah, but using timer.c means pretty much giving up backlight fading, right? |
| 01:07:51 | preglow | amiconn: exactly |
| 01:07:57 | amiconn | (at least fade in) |
| 01:08:00 | preglow | amiconn: which shouldn't be a major point for blind people, granted... |
| 01:08:11 | preglow | amiconn: but other people might want to use it too |
| 01:08:11 | amiconn | true |
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| 01:09:16 | preglow | amiconn: i can start a tick sound from button_tick, but the scroll events never go through that |
| 01:09:24 | amiconn | preglow: Perhaps do both piezo-on and piezo-off in a tick task, and only set a flag in the wheel handler? |
| 01:09:26 | preglow | hmm, perhaps i can set a flag |
| 01:09:39 | preglow | heh, yes, we seem to agree |
| 01:09:49 | amiconn | Why do scroll events not go through button_tick? |
| 01:10:16 | * | amiconn didn't look very closely at iPod button handling |
| 01:10:19 | preglow | my initial button handler just didn't do it for some reason |
| 01:10:25 | amiconn | That'll probably change soonish |
| 01:10:25 | preglow | and it's been kept that way ever since |
| 01:10:38 | preglow | but yeah |
| 01:10:48 | preglow | button dispatches happens ever, what, 0.1 secs? |
| 01:11:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:12 | preglow | is that often enough for the click wheel? |
| 01:11:16 | preglow | did you win the ipod? |
| 01:11:27 | amiconn | yep |
| 01:11:51 | amiconn | Button dispatches happen every tick, i.e. 10 ms |
| 01:12:53 | preglow | oh, right |
| 01:12:58 | amiconn | preglow: This one: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5881775429 |
| 01:13:00 | preglow | i thought i saw some code to handle it less often |
| 01:13:39 | * | linuxstb remembers amiconn saying he will never buy an ipod :) |
| 01:13:52 | preglow | amiconn: goodie, i expect you'll have rockbox running on it in a jiffy :) |
| 01:14:00 | preglow | will be very fun to see how the codecs perform on those things |
| 01:14:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yeah, true, I said that. It's still valid for the ones with plastic cases |
| 01:14:54 | amiconn | preglow: The mini has PP5020 (2G: PP5022) so I don't expect surprises |
| 01:15:00 | preglow | letahh |
| 01:15:03 | preglow | so i see |
| 01:15:13 | preglow | well, that's good |
| 01:15:21 | preglow | it should perform very well, then, what with the b&w small screen |
| 01:15:31 | amiconn | I want to hack the grayscale lib... |
| 01:15:43 | linuxstb | Any idea if it's a 1st or 2nd gen mini yet? |
| 01:15:49 | amiconn | Not yet |
| 01:17:49 | linuxstb | It's possible we may need separate builds for the two minis - I think there are differences in the button drivers, and the PP5022 has 128KB of IRAM, compared to 96KB in the PP5020. |
| 01:18:26 | preglow | amiconn: so the POLL_FREQUENCY code is just in case the tick freq changes? |
| 01:19:13 | linuxstb | It appears the PP5022 can be clocked at up to 100MHz according to the product brief... |
| 01:19:26 | preglow | linuxstb: it can, but then we need to reinit some hardware,i think |
| 01:19:27 | amiconn | Yes. It's also a leftover from back when we didn't poll that often |
| 01:19:30 | preglow | linuxstb: i tried it |
| 01:19:49 | linuxstb | You have a PP5021 though... |
| 01:20:16 | preglow | that can be clocked higher than 75mhz, too, no? |
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| 01:21:36 | preglow | ok, the flag idea worked just peach, so that'll stay |
| 01:21:37 | Guest1221 | Quick question? |
| 01:21:42 | preglow | Guest1221: shoot |
| 01:21:47 | Guest1221 | What is Rockbox |
| 01:21:51 | Guest1221 | lol |
| 01:21:59 | Guest1221 | it says open source something |
| 01:21:59 | preglow | www.rockbox.org |
| 01:22:02 | Guest1221 | i don't get what that means |
| 01:22:08 | Guest1221 | im on that site atm |
| 01:22:23 | preglow | open source means the source code is open for everyone to see |
| 01:22:31 | preglow | everyone can help in developing it |
| 01:22:45 | linuxstb | It's a replacement for the software (firmware) that runs inside various mp3 players. |
| 01:22:54 | Guest1221 | mm |
| 01:24:12 | Guest1221 | can i change it back |
| 01:24:26 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 01:24:30 | Guest1221 | like if i d/l to my Iriver if i don't want it can i put in the old firmware? |
| 01:24:31 | Guest1221 | thnx |
| 01:24:48 | preglow | you can use both |
| 01:24:50 | linuxstb | But you can have both installed at the same time - you choose which one to use when you turn on your player. |
| 01:25:13 | Guest1221 | k |
| 01:25:27 | linuxstb | Which player do you have? |
| 01:25:33 | Guest1221 | Iriver H340 |
| 01:25:53 | midkay | Guest1221, you might try clicking the "Why choose rockbox" link on the front page.. for a list of features specific to your model. that's why i made it; that's why it's there.. |
| 01:26:41 | Guest1221 | ok |
| 01:26:46 | preglow | where in the menu system can my click option go, btw? |
| 01:27:01 | Guest1221 | like for firmware? |
| 01:27:01 | midkay | preglow, i'd say "system" fits best.. |
| 01:27:15 | Guest1221 | It like settings| firmware upgrade|yes |
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| 01:28:24 | Guest1221 | either settings or general |
| 01:28:38 | XavierGr | http://youtube.com/watch?v=8CL2hetqpfg |
| 01:28:39 | XavierGr | wow! |
| 01:28:45 | preglow | hmmm |
| 01:29:01 | preglow | sometimes the cursor lags a bit when i enter a menu and use the clickwheel |
| 01:29:04 | preglow | anyone else noticed it+ |
| 01:29:32 | midkay | preglow, you mean navigation with the wheel being slow? |
| 01:29:41 | preglow | not slow |
| 01:29:53 | preglow | when i first scroll a bit, the cursor just lags for a second |
| 01:29:53 | linuxstb | I think I've noticed that - the clickwheel not immediately responding? |
| 01:29:57 | preglow | linuxstb: yes |
| 01:30:05 | preglow | it's really annoying with the piezo patch |
| 01:30:12 | preglow | since you hear when it's supposed to move |
| 01:30:14 | midkay | i haven't noticed that, but.. the slowness of the wheel itself is so annoying.. |
| 01:30:18 | Guest1221 | thnx guys |
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| 01:30:24 | midkay | i always have to boost to 75mhz to make it usable |
| 01:31:02 | linuxstb | there will be even more complaints about the wheel when people start using tagcache |
| 01:31:21 | preglow | why? |
| 01:31:30 | preglow | browsing long lists? |
| 01:31:35 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 01:31:40 | preglow | yeah, indeed |
| 01:31:44 | amiconn | Wow, wavplay.c takes the lead in plugin source file size. |
| 01:31:48 | preglow | didn't lostlogic have some acceleration magic going, btw? |
| 01:32:00 | amiconn | This is cheating though, most of it is just 10 giant arrays |
| 01:32:48 | bam_ | where do I get an install for m68k-elf-gcc? |
| 01:33:01 | bam_ | im in kubuntu |
| 01:33:22 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 01:33:29 | bam_ | cool |
| 01:33:39 | preglow | no install, you get to build it yourself! |
| 01:33:43 | preglow | and what a grand adventure it will be |
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| 01:36:26 | preglow | pretty, pretty please |
| 01:36:31 | preglow | someone explain me how this iram can be so slow |
| 01:40:35 | midkay | because,, it is. |
| 01:40:43 | sharpe | i've an idea! |
| 01:40:59 | midkay | sharpe, get back to work. i didn't say you could stop. :( |
| 01:41:00 | preglow | if we somehow aren't exploiting the iram properly in some fancy way |
| 01:41:09 | preglow | by god, how things speed up then |
| 01:41:59 | sharpe | midkay, it basically works, it just doesn't have the normal zip handler in it... |
| 01:42:10 | midkay | sharpe, what? |
| 01:42:22 | sharpe | the wpsloader |
| 01:43:31 | sharpe | but i had another idea for something, that may be useful, or useless. |
| 01:43:54 | midkay | what! |
| 01:44:04 | sharpe | a cpu emulator! |
| 01:44:13 | midkay | WUT?! |
| 01:44:22 | sharpe | hmm? |
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| 01:46:35 | sharpe | well, it at least sounds interesting |
| 01:47:22 | preglow | gnight |
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| 01:48:04 | bam_ | anyone got the crosscompiler setup on debian based distro? |
| 01:49:36 | midkay | sharpe, wtf? :) |
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| 01:50:39 | sharpe | i was just thinking about stuff, and i thought about a cpu emulator, then thought, 'hey, why not make one for rockbox?' |
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| 01:52:12 | linuxstb | bam_: Yes - those CrossCompiler instructions work fine. |
| 01:54:50 | bam_ | ok |
| 01:55:56 | bam_ | which version of binutil's |
| 01:57:26 | midkay | sharpe, sounds great, do it. :) |
| 01:58:45 | sharpe | :D |
| 01:58:50 | sharpe | but what cpu? |
| 01:59:02 | midkay | hmm. an athlon 64 3700+!! |
| 01:59:15 | linuxstb | bam_: 2.16 is fine (as the wiki page says). |
| 01:59:23 | sharpe | let me rephrase that, what cpu architecture? :) |
| 01:59:39 | midkay | 9900. |
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| 02:01:32 | sharpe | this? http://www.computercloset.org/TexasInstruments99-4A.htm ? |
| 02:01:47 | sharpe | er well, the processor it uses anyway |
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| 02:03:47 | midkay | just kidding. |
| 02:03:50 | midkay | that was a random number. |
| 02:03:53 | midkay | and you went looking for it. |
| 02:04:03 | midkay | *giggles to self* that's funny to me. |
| 02:04:12 | sharpe | and it's actually a processor |
| 02:04:15 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:04:56 | midkay | hyaaaaa. hahahahayhyahyahaha. |
| 02:04:58 | midkay | :) |
| 02:05:07 | oftenwinter | does anyone know if it's possible to map the analog audio output to the line-in or digi-out jacks? |
| 02:06:01 | sharpe | what about the 8086? :D |
| 02:07:05 | sharpe | or the 4004... |
| 02:09:28 | oftenwinter | any ideas on the plausibilty of it at least? |
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| 02:14:26 | oftenwinter | i guess not |
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| 02:15:21 | bam_ | configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH |
| 02:15:21 | bam_ | <−−any ideas? |
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| 02:15:47 | jd|uni | bam_: u got the correct version of gcc installed and setup? |
| 02:15:53 | bam_ | 3.4.4. |
| 02:16:00 | jd|uni | for the target? |
| 02:16:07 | bam_ | but I shall re-install... |
| 02:16:12 | sharpe | hey midkay, what about the 6502? :) |
| 02:16:14 | bam_ | yes. |
| 02:16:26 | jd|uni | u prob just forgot to put it in your path |
| 02:16:34 | midkay | sharpe, what about screw it and work on the wpsloader! :(((( |
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| 02:17:06 | sharpe | it's just an idea, not going to start on it for a while... |
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| 02:18:53 | midkay | sharpe, don't make me whip you. |
| 02:19:06 | sharpe | wow... that is quite possibly the most stupid toy i've seen. |
| 02:19:14 | sharpe | 'Thumb Warriors!' |
| 02:19:20 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:22:06 | sharpe | serouisly. http://www.radicagames.com/boys.php |
| 02:22:29 | midkay | haha. skannerz.. |
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| 02:22:37 | midkay | "innovative technologies". |
| 02:22:43 | midkay | what a load of beeeeee essssssssssssssssss. |
| 02:22:57 | sharpe | :) |
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| 02:25:30 | jd|uni | mm.. nice.. im in the comp lab at uni and this big spider is rcawling around the desk... and i tihnk its got a white mark on its back.. means its pretty dangerous! |
| 02:25:33 | midkay | sharpe, so what's the status? |
| 02:25:42 | sharpe | of what? |
| 02:25:44 | midkay | jd|uni, pet it and touch it and hold it. |
| 02:25:57 | midkay | sharpe, you know what. |
| 02:25:58 | sharpe | and be sure to play with it |
| 02:26:01 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:26:18 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:26:26 | midkay | molest it. |
| 02:26:31 | sharpe | and if you want to be friendly with it, cup it in your hands and shake it around. |
| 02:26:32 | sharpe | dude |
| 02:26:41 | sharpe | how do you molest a spider? |
| 02:26:50 | midkay | rape it with a piece of dust? |
| 02:27:05 | sharpe | ... |
| 02:27:25 | midkay | anyways. |
| 02:27:47 | bam_ | whats this mean? |
| 02:27:48 | jd|uni | haha wierdso |
| 02:27:50 | bam_ | checking whether the C compiler (gcc -no-cpp-precomp ) works... no |
| 02:27:50 | bam_ | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 02:28:11 | bam_ | how do I correct it |
| 02:28:15 | jd|uni | did u not do −−enable-languages=c ? |
| 02:28:28 | sharpe | you know midkay, if we had the 6502 emulator for rockbox, we could do an atari emulator :) |
| 02:28:32 | bam_ | errr, no and how? |
| 02:28:54 | midkay | sharpe, if we had the athlong 64 fx-60 emulator we could do doom3. |
| 02:28:59 | midkay | athlong. haha. oops. |
| 02:29:06 | midkay | ha. that's funny. because it's almost like a sexual reference. |
| 02:29:12 | jd|uni | bam_: u following the crossconmpiler wiki page corectly? u need that when u run configure for gcc |
| 02:29:14 | sharpe | lol... |
| 02:29:14 | midkay | schlong. athlong. |
| 02:29:28 | bam_ | lemme look again...hummm |
| 02:29:29 | sharpe | processor oriented sexual innuendo |
| 02:30:25 | midkay | sharpe, you want my "intel inside" you? |
| 02:32:22 | sharpe | i hate you. |
| 02:33:19 | jd|uni | haha |
| 02:33:47 | midkay | i have an athlong that makes cool fireworks-like FX when you do stuff with it! |
| 02:33:58 | sharpe | ... |
| 02:34:08 | midkay | anyways. |
| 02:34:13 | sharpe | lol |
| 02:36:07 | jd|uni | so anyway.. has any1 else not got the options for tagcache even after updating to the latest cvs? |
| 02:36:43 | midkay | duty. |
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| 03:01:55 | midkay | bbi45m! |
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| 03:06:37 | crixu | hello...somebocy here, that can tell me if program listed on http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html work for an acer laptop ?? |
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| 04:55:41 | mikearthur | AMP: http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amp4hc.jpg + LAPTOP = :( http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=laptop7ti.jpg |
| 04:58:11 | biffhero | ouch, the amp fell on the laptop? |
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| 05:01:27 | mikearthur | yep |
| 05:01:29 | mikearthur | 30kg amp |
| 05:01:43 | midkay | ouuuuch.. |
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| 05:06:56 | biffhero | how many "pound" ($$) laptop? |
| 05:09:53 | mikearthur | second hand like 2 years ago |
| 05:09:55 | mikearthur | P600 |
| 05:10:04 | mikearthur | if it was a nice one, I'd be raging |
| 05:10:23 | biffhero | phew |
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| 05:12:59 | mikearthur | need a new laptop though now :S |
| 05:13:12 | biffhero | hello paul. this is the second night in a row that you have logged in about 15 minutes after me. are you following me? :-) |
| 05:13:21 | biffhero | yes, can you get a replacement screen? |
| 05:15:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually I'm on much earlier, but I've been busy this weekend. Heh |
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| 05:28:25 | biffhero | are themes supposed to jack with the button layouts? |
| 05:28:31 | lostlogic | w/in4 |
| 05:28:33 | lostlogic | damnit |
| 05:29:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: They can't really change the button layou. |
| 05:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | layout |
| 05:30:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Oh, you're here. Yeah, the shuffle freeze at end of playlist thing has been around for a decent while. Occurs when the "Repeat" mode is "Shuffle", doesn't seem to matter whether normal shuffle is on or off. And I haven't verified it's still here after your recent changes, but seeing that thing in the mailinglist reminded me of it |
| 05:31:28 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks, I just downloaded a big .zip file of .wps-es, and I find that when I load certain themes, my menu press (ipod 5g) doesn't take me back out to the menu anymore |
| 05:31:35 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: that's what I thought... not that I don't want to fix that bug too, but it's important to know what changes cause what bugs, and gl wasn't being very helpful in separating them out. |
| 05:32:02 | biffhero | also, a lot of the WPS have the text 'background.bmp|' on the screen. or 'back.bmp|' |
| 05:32:15 | lostlogic | biffhero: sounds like you have mismatched wpss and build |
| 05:32:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah, I know. The one I described is *very* reproduceable, and has been in for a few months at least. And it happens on iPods and iRivers. |
| 05:32:47 | biffhero | lostlogic: oh yeah, good point. maybe the wps parser has changed, you think? |
| 05:32:52 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: that's what I thought, I hope gl's is the same (I'm pretty sure based on his meandering description) |
| 05:32:56 | lostlogic | biffhero: no |
| 05:33:09 | lostlogic | biffhero: some WPSs are designed for the experimental builds which are not official rockbox builds |
| 05:33:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: If the backgrounds are a different reso from your screen, then you'll get that |
| 05:33:16 | lostlogic | biffhero: those will not work correctly in an official build |
| 05:33:33 | lostlogic | or maybe I'm talking out my ass and paul is right. |
| 05:33:37 | * | lostlogic shuts up. |
| 05:33:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: There's not a WPS pack for 5G I think, so I'm betting he got the H300 ones |
| 05:34:09 | lostlogic | hmph, nod |
| 05:34:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Were they listed as 5G WPSes or just general 24-bit ones? |
| 05:34:58 | biffhero | general 24-bit, from "Ultimate 24Bit WPS Collection" thread. some say specifically i-this, or i-that, but most are probably for the h300 |
| 05:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: The "Ultimate...collection" is for the H300 yes. Any of them with backdrops shouldn't work. As well, some may have unsupported tags in them. |
| 05:36:17 | biffhero | also, the thread was in the "for H3xx Series" forum (there isn't a forum for iPods), so that is probably my problem. |
| 05:36:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:36:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would guess so. :) |
| 05:36:51 | biffhero | as for what build I am running, it is a cvs build060324-2233 + scrolling patch |
| 05:37:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you strip the background images out, and any of the WPS %tokens that aren't supported by your build, they should work. :-P |
| 05:39:52 | biffhero | I ofund a scrolling patch ... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2994 |
| 05:40:17 | biffhero | that was needed for some of the 5G wpss on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#iPod_5g_Video_WPS_Gallery |
| 05:40:34 | dpassen1 | I use that patch, as well |
| 05:41:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, the scroll margin patch is pretty nice, but not the way Rockbox wants to do that in the end. |
| 05:41:32 | biffhero | it seems as if rockbox was not architected with multiple resolutions / bit depths in mind. Not a slam, just an observation. I am sure that the devs will make it right. The movement on this project seems way faster than the one for ipodlinux |
| 05:41:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Why do you say that? |
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| 05:42:08 | lostlogic | biffhero: it's the wpss that aren't ... and can't be setup for many resolutions in one file because they are pixel specific screen layouts |
| 05:42:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: The *only* restriction for resolutions is on the backdrop image being the same as the screen size. |
| 05:42:40 | lostlogic | biffhero: in a way you are right though, rockbox was originally created for the archos player with a 2 line character cell display ;)\ |
| 05:42:42 | biffhero | yes, exactly my point. the pixel specific screen layouts will be eliminated in the future, no? |
| 05:42:53 | lostlogic | biffhero: no, how would you propose to do that?! |
| 05:43:01 | biffhero | hrmm... good question |
| 05:43:17 | biffhero | let's take a different problem, one that I probably understand better. :-) |
| 05:43:25 | biffhero | on the retailOS for the iPod |
| 05:43:26 | biffhero | ... |
| 05:43:26 | lostlogic | screen layout is very screen size specific, there's no real way to genericize that any more than e can make generic the drivers for hardware that is only in one model ;) |
| 05:43:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: They could only be eliminated if the images were vector based and could be scaled easily to varying resolution sizes |
| 05:43:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's IT! XML WPSes using SVG for the images! |
| 05:44:04 | biffhero | the .jpg file that I put in the image gets resized based upon what I am doing with the ipod. the .bmp loader that I saw in one patch was only for 100x100 .bmp files |
| 05:44:11 | * | lostlogic beats paul with .svg |
| 05:44:26 | biffhero | there is nothing wrong with resizing images on the fly, is there? |
| 05:44:42 | lostlogic | what .jpg file −− that you view wiht the image viewer? |
| 05:44:54 | biffhero | of course, that's for album art, not for the actual wps decorations.... |
| 05:45:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Well, that requires more CPU cycles than just loading a properly scaled one. Plus, do you make the images for the smallest screen and size up so no data is lost, or the largest and size down? |
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| 05:45:23 | lostlogic | and waste space and ram and clock cycles onthe smaller screen and likely less pweorful players |
| 05:45:24 | biffhero | lostlogic: no, that's in the retailOS, where the jokers don't have to support that many platforms. |
| 05:45:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Also, what about screens that are taller than they are wide, instead of wider than they are tall? Different aspect ratios or pixel aspects mean different needs |
| 05:45:38 | biffhero | that's true. |
| 05:46:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: In the end, it's much easier to just have WPS_220x176x16 and WPS_320x240x16 versions and so on |
| 05:46:17 | lostlogic | albumart is at this point in its infancy, who knows where it'll end up ;) |
| 05:46:26 | biffhero | this could also be done on the way in, with a front-end "loader" app, which would know the target, their screen sizes, and then do the appropriate resizing on the load, to save space |
| 05:46:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You know exactly what type of screen the WPS will work on, but nobody uses proper naming |
| 05:46:36 | biffhero | yes! |
| 05:46:50 | biffhero | maybe the naming is all that is borked? |
| 05:46:55 | lostlogic | at devcon, we discussed creating a dir structure so taht only WPSs that would fit the screen of the target would be built and included |
| 05:47:01 | biffhero | good one |
| 05:47:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: No, it's the fact that the creators don't bother to name it. |
| 05:47:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: In the CVS, there are many sizes of several of the WPSes, and the program that makes the .zip only uses the largest size that's smaller or equal to the screen |
| 05:47:48 | biffhero | that's wise |
| 05:47:58 | biffhero | but the theme loader could know what resolution the screen is, and then look at the files in the .wps at load time, and refuse to load the wrong one |
| 05:48:30 | biffhero | I guess it is 'ok' to load too small ones, and not load too large ones |
| 05:48:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: But a smaller .wps could work just fine. As well, a text-only WPS can work on ANY screen size, but look best at 320*240 in one font, and 160*120 in another font |
| 05:49:00 | biffhero | yes, the fonts on this 5G are often too small |
| 05:49:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Yeah. But really, it's the WPS creator's responsibility to tell the user what screens it's intended for. |
| 05:49:29 | biffhero | yes |
| 05:50:07 | biffhero | or, could it include .bmp files of multiple sizes? (header bar at the top of the screen, for instance) |
| 05:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well the header bar is part of rockbox, and that's something entirely |
| 05:51:04 | biffhero | I meant the header image bar that often is too small width-wise, not the super-teeny text one |
| 05:51:05 | lostlogic | can disable the status bar and have that information entirely in the WPS now, afaik |
| 05:51:21 | biffhero | that status bar doesn't show up in most themes for me. |
| 05:51:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, each image would need different pixel coordinates depending on the screen size, as well as different sized images. It's really best to have MyTheme_160x120x2.wps and MyTheme_176x132x16.wps MyTheme_220x176x16.wps |
| 05:51:34 | biffhero | yeah, ok |
| 05:52:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | You either have to make *everything* proportional positioning, and use some form of vector graphics, or stick raster and just deal with the limitations |
| 05:52:24 | biffhero | background images are pretty cool, can a WPS change the image on song change? |
| 05:52:35 | lostlogic | some day (never) some one (who?) could make a vector WPS format that was build time parsed (no) |
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| 05:53:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: A wps cannot at this time do that. One could potentially offer the choice for album art to be the backdrop instead |
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| 05:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah, I don't think vector based WPSes would be good in *any* way other than eyecandy. :-P |
| 05:55:50 | biffhero | this really is pretty amazing software. has anyone heard anything about the actual hardware makers abandoning their internal firmware development for the use of rockbox? |
| 05:56:21 | lostlogic | hah, not likely |
| 05:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, the iRivers at least were basically abandoned before Rockbox adopted them |
| 05:56:53 | biffhero | hardware, or software, or both? |
| 05:57:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there was ONE software update semi-recently |
| 05:57:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the H1x0 and 3x0 lines were both discontinued I believe. I know the 1x0 was |
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| 06:13:41 | biffhero | ugh, where is the setting for the select bar to be an inverse bar or a triangle pointer? |
| 06:14:05 | biffhero | idjit, fount it |
| 06:14:12 | bam__ | general settings display...I think.. |
| 06:15:30 | biffhero | general settings, display, lcd settings, line display |
| 06:19:20 | RoC_MM | is there a way to put the scroll bar on the right instead of the left? |
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| 06:22:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: No. |
| 06:22:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: Well, technically yes. But no "easy" way |
| 06:23:19 | RoC_MM | sweet |
| 06:23:22 | RoC_MM | thanks |
| 06:26:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is that this is open source, so in nearly all cases, "is there a way to do X" is "Yes" it's just several of those times "Yes" is "If you code it to." |
| 06:27:23 | RoC_MM | sounds familiar |
| 06:27:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've perhaps said it many times here and in the forums |
| 06:27:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm very literal |
| 06:30:09 | JdGordon | any1 play bubbles on the ipod? |
| 06:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do |
| 06:31:44 | JdGordon | is there a spare button on the start screen? |
| 06:31:48 | JdGordon | or button combo |
| 06:32:13 | JdGordon | .. and room for 1 more line of instructions? |
| 06:32:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | SELECT|LEFT or SELECT|RIGHT could work. *maybe* SELECT|PLAY but I'm not sure |
| 06:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, my Nano isn't at hand so I can't check the screen right now. |
| 06:32:59 | JdGordon | ok |
| 06:34:13 | JdGordon | menu|select looks free.. is it a pain to do that combo? |
| 06:34:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anything | Select is fine |
| 06:34:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | But menu|select is *most* often used for Exit, so that would be unexpected for anything else |
| 06:35:16 | JdGordon | ye, but exit is menu|_rel so...? |
| 06:35:43 | JdGordon | i tihnk i might leave that for the moment.. |
| 06:35:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 06:36:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just saying menu|select is not intuitive for doing anything on the ipod, because in many other plugins it's exit. I have no real objection to it, but other people might be confused |
| 06:43:32 | midkay | menu|select is pretty much "the" quit button when menu isn't. |
| 06:43:47 | midkay | i can't think of it serving any other purpose anywhere in rockbox, for that matter.. |
| 06:43:49 | midkay | i'd go with something else. |
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| 06:44:41 | JdGordon | how do u do the key stuff when u want a diff action for short and longpress? have _pre for the button, then |_repeat for long and |_rel for short press... but how do u get it to not trigger the _rel action after longpress? |
| 06:45:19 | JdGordon | .. or is _repeat|_release both used on the release after longpress? |
| 06:45:20 | midkay | i never needed _pre for anything (not even sure what it's for).. |
| 06:45:33 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: ? |
| 06:45:35 | midkay | i believe _repeat "cancels" the _rel. |
| 06:45:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know. |
| 06:45:58 | midkay | can't be sure, though - but i've never had any repeat/rel problems just using them like that.. |
| 06:46:09 | JdGordon | ok, ill play |
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| 06:46:53 | lostlogic | _pre is in order to distinguish between a 2 button combo being released (first one button then the other is released) and just one of the buttons being pressed and released |
| 06:47:10 | lostlogic | I believe that only _rel is set on a long release, but I can't swear to it |
| 06:47:26 | midkay | lostlogic, you mean it only triggers after you hold and release? |
| 06:47:26 | JdGordon | is _pre needed to check for long press? |
| 06:47:38 | lostlogic | JdGordon: shouldn't be |
| 06:47:44 | lostlogic | midkay: right |
| 06:47:45 | midkay | i think it's the opposite. at the least, it definitely triggers even on a short press/release... |
| 06:48:03 | lostlogic | midkay: _rel means teh button was released |
| 06:48:09 | lostlogic | no matter what the preceeding situation was |
| 06:48:09 | midkay | lostlogic, right. |
| 06:48:22 | midkay | and you say you think it only triggers after a long press. |
| 06:48:48 | midkay | i'm saying i think it only triggers after a short press. i know it definitely triggers after a short press, i'm just not sure whether or not it does after a long one. |
| 06:49:24 | lostlogic | I wasn't claiming only after a long press |
| 06:49:42 | lostlogic | I believe it triggers on _any_ release of the button long, short, or combo |
| 06:49:48 | midkay | ah, alright |
| 06:53:47 | JdGordon | has any1 actually played chesbox?? the comp takes way too long for moves :p |
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| 06:54:41 | JdGordon | haha.. chessbox doesnt redraw after every button press.. which means loading the playback menu screws the whoel thing up :D |
| 06:56:32 | Iguana | o.o |
| 06:56:55 | Iguana | rockbox crashed my iriver |
| 06:56:56 | Iguana | >.> |
| 06:57:30 | Iguana | list |
| 06:57:53 | RoC_MM | update |
| 06:57:56 | RoC_MM | to latest? |
| 06:58:11 | Iguana | i did? |
| 06:58:22 | RoC_MM | try a build from two or three days ago |
| 06:58:25 | Iguana | I never used rockbox in my whole life and i did the whole thing |
| 06:58:46 | RoC_MM | rockbox boots and shows the menu right? |
| 06:58:47 | Iguana | then it frose on 2.19 P.M |
| 06:58:52 | Iguana | yes |
| 06:58:54 | Iguana | it did all tha |
| 06:58:59 | Iguana | then something happened |
| 06:59:10 | Iguana | and there was a screwed up battery and all these other little icons |
| 06:59:11 | RoC_MM | ...something horrible |
| 06:59:21 | Iguana | I was in TEARS :( |
| 06:59:22 | RoC_MM | I'd try a build from a few days ago |
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| 06:59:29 | Iguana | im not trying it at all |
| 06:59:32 | biffhero | don't get it wet! |
| 06:59:41 | Iguana | im scared the whole thing will die |
| 06:59:53 | Iguana | it kept all my files though im happy for that ^_^ |
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| 07:00:42 | RoC_MM | are you trying the 2.5 release or a CVS build? |
| 07:01:01 | RoC_MM | I don't think there's any reason to think you'll lose your files |
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| 07:01:11 | Iguana | Well i had to reset the whole thing |
| 07:01:14 | Iguana | cause it was crashed |
| 07:01:18 | Iguana | and frozen |
| 07:01:23 | Iguana | and none of the other buttons worked |
| 07:01:52 | Iguana | and i honestly have no idea what release or CVS build i was using o.o |
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| 07:03:30 | RoC_MM | it freezing is not all that bad |
| 07:03:36 | RoC_MM | just a bug |
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| 07:03:49 | RoC_MM | do you still have the zip file you downloaded? |
| 07:03:51 | Iguana | yeh but |
| 07:03:57 | Iguana | I deleted the whole thing |
| 07:04:04 | RoC_MM | that's fine |
| 07:04:19 | RoC_MM | http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 07:04:20 | Arrogant | Rockbox keeps loading even when I hold down menu |
| 07:04:21 | Arrogant | What's going on |
| 07:04:38 | Iguana | Na i was a bit scared cause my iriver had never crashed before in its life |
| 07:04:40 | RoC_MM | on this page, did you choose from the top of the page where it says 2.5 or the bottom? |
| 07:05:03 | RoC_MM | CVS=Daily build...not an official release, it's a "state of the code, no guaruntees" |
| 07:05:13 | Iguana | Daily Builds |
| 07:05:14 | Iguana | Iriver |
| 07:05:19 | Iguana | Latese H300 |
| 07:05:21 | Iguana | *latest |
| 07:05:24 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Arrogant: You're not pressing menu early enough, probably. Tap menu to turn on the ipod, then immediately press and hold it right after. |
| 07:05:52 | Arrogant | I think maybe the battery is dead. |
| 07:06:01 | Arrogant | That might not help. |
| 07:06:21 | Paul_The_Ner1 | "dead" as in "needs charging" or "broken"? |
| 07:06:37 | RoC_MM | there may have been a regression Iguana ...a regression is where something that worked before was broken by a new change to the code...I suggest trying a build from 2 days ago: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300-20060325.zip |
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| 07:07:07 | Iguana | err im not going to try anything for a while >.> |
| 07:07:13 | RoC_MM | well |
| 07:07:17 | RoC_MM | there is no risk |
| 07:07:32 | RoC_MM | and you just need to download that and extract that to your iriver. |
| 07:07:33 | Iguana | you can say that |
| 07:07:40 | RoC_MM | you've already installed the boot loader, no more commands to issue |
| 07:07:45 | Iguana | no |
| 07:07:50 | Arrogant | needs charging |
| 07:07:50 | Iguana | I deleted boot loader as welll |
| 07:07:53 | RoC_MM | oh |
| 07:07:59 | RoC_MM | well |
| 07:07:59 | Iguana | I deleted the WHOLE thing lol |
| 07:08:14 | Iguana | after i reset it it workded well |
| 07:08:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arrogant: Ah. Yeah, well it's likely that Rockbox will boot, or at least start booting, with less power than the Apple OS will |
| 07:08:25 | Iguana | but i didn't know whether it would do something funny so i deleted it |
| 07:08:35 | RoC_MM | Like it says: |
| 07:08:41 | RoC_MM | These are automated daily builds of the code in CVS. They contain all the latest features. They may also contain bugs and/or undocumented changes... The top line is the latest. This build is for iriver H300. |
| 07:08:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Iguana: deleted the file, or reflashed to an un-patched .hex? |
| 07:08:54 | Arrogant | It popped off after a few seconds. I'm gonna get a bit more power before I mess with it. |
| 07:08:56 | RoC_MM | he reverted |
| 07:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arrogant: Good plan |
| 07:09:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: Well, I noticed he kept saying he "deleted" everything, and I know some people think that deleting the patched .hex, if they kept it around, would remove the bootloader. |
| 07:09:33 | Iguana | err second one or first one |
| 07:09:40 | Iguana | na |
| 07:09:50 | Iguana | un-patched.hex |
| 07:09:54 | Iguana | the original one |
| 07:10:03 | Iguana | with out the firmware software thingo |
| 07:10:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no real reason to ever remove the bootloader unless you're about to send it in for warranty repairs. |
| 07:10:53 | Iguana | lets just say the small writing when i first loaded the bootloader freaked me out a bit |
| 07:11:07 | Iguana | and i couldn't play my videos either |
| 07:11:12 | RoC_MM | bootloaders output text |
| 07:11:14 | Iguana | they weren't showing on it |
| 07:11:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:11:21 | RoC_MM | font size is usually small so it can fit a lot on the screen |
| 07:11:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well Rockbox doesn't support video, so you have to boot into iRiver to use video |
| 07:11:28 | Iguana | mm |
| 07:11:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems odd to be trying an experimental firmware if something as minor as extra text freaks you out |
| 07:12:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is an entirely alternative firmware, it's not just a patch on the original firmware or anything. |
| 07:12:00 | RoC_MM | well |
| 07:12:11 | Iguana | I was experimenting all last night with themes and mods and all |
| 07:12:27 | RoC_MM | I'm rather intrepid but the bootloader flashing text that I didn't understand faster than I could read did make me uneasy the first time I saw it too |
| 07:13:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: Well it is made pretty clear that it doesn't have a "release" version yet. |
| 07:14:19 | RoC_MM | didn't stop me from installing it on my ipod |
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| 07:31:37 | webguest67 | anyone running rockbox on a ipod video? |
| 07:32:47 | lostlogic | it's off at the moment... |
| 07:33:02 | biffhero | RoC_MM: I _like_ that attitude. That's why I have rockbox on _my_ 5G 60G Video |
| 07:33:34 | webguest67 | well, i posted already in the forum, but does anyone else hear a low constant clicking after turning the unit on in rockbox? |
| 07:33:41 | biffhero | I don't |
| 07:33:52 | webguest67 | what headphones are you using? |
| 07:33:55 | lostlogic | webguest67: does it go away once you start playback? |
| 07:33:59 | biffhero | American Airlines |
| 07:34:10 | webguest67 | lostlogic: no it does not |
| 07:34:20 | webguest67 | but the playback masks it |
| 07:34:21 | lostlogic | webguest67: I don't believe I do −− there's background noise _until_ the audio codec is initialized for me. |
| 07:34:25 | lostlogic | Shure E3 |
| 07:34:56 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:35:05 | biffhero | wait one, I don't do a lot of real work in the rockbox, I keep going back to retailOS |
| 07:35:06 | webguest67 | I use Sennheiser HD280pro closed cans in a very quiet environment |
| 07:35:08 | lostlogic | damnit, if you're awake that means I'm up too late. |
| 07:35:20 | webguest67 | using the stock ipod buds its pretty much impossible for me to hear |
| 07:35:31 | lostlogic | webguest67: and the ipod with retailos does not make this noise? |
| 07:35:32 | B4gder | lostlogic: hey, its euro hour coming up here, go to bed! ;-) |
| 07:35:33 | biffhero | don't hear it in my AA ones |
| 07:35:47 | biffhero | 2135PST, lostlogic, where are you? |
| 07:35:58 | lostlogic | 23:35CST |
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| 07:36:05 | biffhero | ahh |
| 07:36:18 | webguest67 | but i can still hear the scroll wheel movement with the buds when i turn the db level up past -5db |
| 07:36:18 | webguest67 | not that i ever listen to music that loud |
| 07:36:36 | biffhero | nope, don't hear it. turning volume up |
| 07:36:41 | webguest67 | but the stock firmware does not make any sound |
| 07:36:44 | * | lostlogic fetches his IPV to investigate |
| 07:36:53 | biffhero | is -5db the same as 100% volume? |
| 07:36:58 | webguest67 | no |
| 07:37:04 | webguest67 | i belive it goes up to 5 or 6 db |
| 07:37:22 | B4gder | the top volume differs between targets |
| 07:37:22 | RoC_MM | 6db is 100% |
| 07:37:36 | RoC_MM | but usually on the ipods you don't go higher than -20 |
| 07:37:40 | RoC_MM | or so |
| 07:37:43 | RoC_MM | -15 maybe |
| 07:37:43 | biffhero | moving to another skin, to tell me the actual db setting |
| 07:37:58 | RoC_MM | db depends on the level of the music in the song |
| 07:38:01 | lostlogic | hah, I never listen above -45 unless I'm in a particularly pissy mood |
| 07:38:23 | JdGordon | -45?? thats way to quiet.. who can u hear that low? |
| 07:38:34 | RoC_MM | he may be using replaygain |
| 07:38:35 | webguest67 | i need to turn up the volume to around -20 / -18db to drive my HD280s |
| 07:38:55 | lostlogic | I do use replaygain, but it reduces the volume on all tracks |
| 07:39:02 | B4gder | you guys listen to MUSIC on your players? ;-] |
| 07:39:03 | lostlogic | Shure E3 are pretty low impedence. |
| 07:39:06 | biffhero | would it follow that my sucky headphones need to be turned up louder? |
| 07:39:16 | lostlogic | I can hear the click wheel clicks anywhere over -11dB. |
| 07:39:36 | lostlogic | but I don't hear any low constant clickign |
| 07:39:36 | webguest67 | and clicks also mean just rotating as well, yes? |
| 07:40:05 | lostlogic | webguest67: hrm? |
| 07:40:22 | biffhero | are these them? http://www.shure.com/psm/earphones/default.asp |
| 07:40:28 | lostlogic | biffhero: not necessarily, some pro cans are very high impedence |
| 07:40:46 | webguest67 | would just rotation the wheel qualify as a click? |
| 07:40:48 | lostlogic | yeah, I have the E3 |
| 07:40:53 | Iguana | my seinhessiers broke :( |
| 07:40:59 | Iguana | Im buying sony LOL |
| 07:41:20 | lostlogic | webguest67: no, only when it actually triggers a rockbox event, the clicks are actually rockbox sending the volume control changes to the hardware based on this. |
| 07:41:36 | Slasheri | morning :) |
| 07:41:40 | webguest67 | ah, so rotating my finger around is essentially clicking |
| 07:41:43 | lostlogic | webguest67: if you crank the volume and return to the file browser, I bet you get no clicks, I don't |
| 07:41:54 | webguest67 | lemme check |
| 07:42:03 | lostlogic | webguest67: as defined bya pple firmware, the piezo clicks only when the finger rotates a 'notch'\ |
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| 07:42:48 | webguest67 | lostlogic: is the scroll wheel noise only coming from the right speaker? |
| 07:42:55 | webguest67 | that is how it is happening on mine |
| 07:43:08 | lostlogic | webguest67: definitely stronger in the right, I didn't pay close attention though |
| 07:43:33 | lostlogic | Iguana: why sony? |
| 07:43:35 | lostlogic | Iguana: get shure :-P |
| 07:43:58 | Sinbios | etymotic |
| 07:44:02 | webguest67 | lostlogic: you are right, the scroll wheel does stop making noise when it is in the menu |
| 07:44:14 | Slasheri | i have also E3 and they are really high impedance |
| 07:44:20 | webguest67 | but i still get the constant clicking |
| 07:45:03 | webguest67 | for example, what happens when you pause the track, turn the volume up to 6db (dont play the track back, im sure that would hurt). do you hear a constant clicking in the right ear? |
| 07:45:21 | lostlogic | Slasheri: ermh? That doesn't sound right... 26ohm, isn't very high |
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| 07:45:38 | lostlogic | e5 are 110 ohm for comparison |
| 07:45:40 | RoC_MM | it's not 6db |
| 07:45:46 | RoC_MM | it's volume level 6 |
| 07:45:52 | Slasheri | lostlogic: well, anyway much higher than any other of my headphones :) |
| 07:45:59 | lostlogic | webguest67: no, no constant clicking |
| 07:46:09 | Mikachu | i looked at headphones yesterday, two of them were 16 and 32 |
| 07:46:12 | RoC_MM | if the track is silent, putting it at 6db will produce silence, and thus not 6db |
| 07:46:21 | Slasheri | huh, using 110 ohm with dap might be quite impossible without some noise attenuator |
| 07:46:34 | lostlogic | Slasheri: yeah, I was just thinking that |
| 07:46:51 | lostlogic | I'm glad e3 are as high as they are −− in a quiet office environment -57 on the ipod is louder than I'd prefer :-P |
| 07:47:07 | Slasheri | :) |
| 07:47:52 | Iguana | can you get shure in australia? o.o |
| 07:48:13 | lostlogic | Iguana: amazon.com sells them, they ship worldwide, don't they? |
| 07:48:25 | lostlogic | also the apple store sells at least e2 and e3 if you have apple stores |
| 07:48:26 | Iguana | im not into internet buying O.o |
| 07:48:27 | Sinbios | i think headphone.com ship to australia |
| 07:49:10 | biffhero | dick williams (or whatever his name is) can order them in, no? |
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| 07:49:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | would y'know, be a single song. |
| 07:50:36 | Iguana | dick smith |
| 07:50:37 | Iguana | lol |
| 07:51:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, I hate it when my computer gets all sluggish, and then my typing shows up in another window |
| 07:51:56 | Iguana | I have a Mac |
| 07:52:00 | Iguana | o0o |
| 07:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's more a side effect of my horribly slow HD. |
| 07:52:55 | webguest67 | lostlogic: when the volume is set so the ipod says -15db (the volume that is adequate for my headphones), I measured the clicking noises to be roughly at -73db |
| 07:53:09 | webguest67 | so they are quite quiet |
| 07:53:49 | webguest67 | but my sennheisers picks them up in a quiet enviroment |
| 07:54:08 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: my KDE went so bonkers one time that my konsole window slammed an entire ssh session into IRC, _including_ the passwords. The other terminal was good, no echo, but it showed up in irc. ugh |
| 07:54:45 | lostlogic | webguest67: are the click clearly periodic or semi-random? |
| 07:54:54 | webguest67 | clearly periodic |
| 07:55:02 | lostlogic | once per second? |
| 07:55:09 | webguest67 | methinks it might be the ipods way of checking to see if the scroll wheel is pushed |
| 07:55:16 | webguest67 | about 1.7 times a second |
| 07:55:24 | webguest67 | its kinda hard to say |
| 07:55:38 | lostlogic | are they also right ear only? |
| 07:55:56 | lostlogic | do they follow the volume control in loudness? |
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| 07:57:08 | webguest67 | lostlogic: i used adobe audition and it seems that they are roughly 118 BPM |
| 07:57:26 | webguest67 | yes, louder volume increases the loudness |
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| 07:57:45 | lostlogic | webguest67: do you build your rockbox from source or do you use a binary build? |
| 07:57:53 | webguest67 | cvs daily builds |
| 07:58:17 | lostlogic | webguest67: can you try connecting to a charger and see if the clicks are still present? |
| 07:58:41 | webguest67 | plug into usb? to keep it from going to disk mode, i hold menu, yes? |
| 07:59:06 | lostlogic | The first thing that comes to mind to me is that battery level is read from the ADC 2x per second and powering up the ADC may load the PMU just enough to tick the amp on your high impedence phones |
| 07:59:10 | lostlogic | webguest67: yeah, hold menu |
| 08:00 |
| 08:01:25 | webguest67 | lostlogic: no it is still the same. I noticed that the clicking exhibits different behavior at different screens. At the now playing screen, it is a constant 118BPM click. When file browsing, it does a different variation |
| 08:01:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest67: If you use a different WPS, is it different? |
| 08:02:01 | webguest67 | yes it is different |
| 08:02:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, it's the LCD refresh? |
| 08:02:21 | webguest67 | dunno, i will switch to the default rockbox and check. 1 second |
| 08:02:25 | lostlogic | lcd should update 30-40x per second |
| 08:02:43 | lostlogic | I'm inclined to think it's ticking during I2C based on what we've found out so far |
| 08:03:00 | lostlogic | which also makes sense since our I2C driver is guessed and definitely not the correct use of the hardware |
| 08:03:28 | lostlogic | my shures are clearly not high enough impedence for me to hear it |
| 08:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 08:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have PX100s, which aren't exactly either |
| 08:05:08 | webguest67 | I am getting a pair of Creative EP-630s tomorrow, so chances are I will not notice the ticking |
| 08:05:16 | webguest67 | but it is still a bit concerning |
| 08:05:20 | LinusN | lostlogic: you have a nano? |
| 08:05:33 | webguest67 | 5G video |
| 08:05:34 | lostlogic | webguest67: nothing to be concerned about |
| 08:05:40 | lostlogic | LinusN: 4g like webguest67 said |
| 08:05:43 | lostlogic | 5g |
| 08:05:54 | LinusN | was looking at this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4795 |
| 08:06:28 | LinusN | the patch looks kinda naive, but i don't know much about ipod |
| 08:06:49 | B4gder | preglow and cassandra are nano persons |
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| 08:07:13 | lostlogic | that should be all that is necessary for basic battery monitoring functionality −− preglow should really do it though since he has the device |
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| 08:07:17 | B4gder | btw |
| 08:07:29 | B4gder | I have a fairly nice uplang for langv2 now as well |
| 08:07:34 | lostlogic | it's the exact same in terms of actually reading the level between the two, we'll just need different scaling and percent values for each ipod |
| 08:07:45 | lostlogic | (maybe not even different scaling) |
| 08:07:54 | webguest67 | RoC__MM: Changed back to the default wps, still the same ticking |
| 08:08:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: I've *just* done the first two +s of that patch, and they seem to work *decently* at least. Dunno what the latter two defines actually *do* |
| 08:09:09 | B4gder | there's only three things left for langv2 to get committed: 1) more testing by me 2) a convert-all to v2 script by me and 3) amiconn's english lang fixes |
| 08:09:21 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: they activate the charging status control, so the charging animation stops when it is full |
| 08:09:24 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: you'll want them... shows the neat charging icon, and actuall reports that the hardware isn't charging any more when the battery is full respectively |
| 08:09:30 | lostlogic | :) |
| 08:09:46 | LinusN | B4gder: you da man |
| 08:10:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic, LinusN: Gotcha. |
| 08:10:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Regardless, the iPod charges while plugged in, reports somewhere between 90 and 100% full when fully charged (which is about as reliable as the Retail OS gets as well). |
| 08:10:47 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: those two will work on 5g and nano, but likely not on 4g until someone looks up the right port bits for them |
| 08:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I was only commenting on Nano anyway. :) |
| 08:11:04 | lostlogic | nod |
| 08:11:36 | lostlogic | I think the nano battery is flakier in terms of full charge discharge voltage than the bigger batteries, from what I've heard abou tit so far |
| 08:11:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, definitely |
| 08:12:04 | lostlogic | I guess that is the life of a small LiPoly cell |
| 08:12:12 | lostlogic | (or is it LiIon instead?) |
| 08:12:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh so very small. |
| 08:12:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's LiIon, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 08:12:42 | lostlogic | I seem to recall that poly only made sense on the larger cells, but I could also be hallucinating that. |
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| 08:13:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm almost certain the 400mah replacements I saw for it were LiIon |
| 08:14:09 | lostlogic | and on that lithium related note, I sleep. |
| 08:14:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | G'night |
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| 08:26:51 | XavierGr | Linus: Do you happen to know any details about the failuer in USB Bootloader Mode in H300? |
| 08:27:15 | XavierGr | It seems that many people (including me) have this problem. |
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| 08:32:18 | XavierGr | anyway I have to go |
| 08:32:21 | XavierGr | Later all! |
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| 08:34:16 | bam__ | so...did I miss anything? |
| 08:36:27 | JdGordon | only the horrible massacre of all the damn swedes here |
| 08:36:47 | JdGordon | a giant leprecawn crossed the waters from ireland and ate em all |
| 08:38:39 | amiconn | moorning |
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| 08:39:49 | LinusN | amiconn: moo |
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| 08:40:01 | bam__ | well damn he must have been very hungry |
| 08:40:08 | * | amiconn is editing ArchosFAQ :) |
| 08:40:12 | * | LinusN was spared |
| 08:40:16 | bam__ | bet he got indegestion from all that hair |
| 08:40:19 | JdGordon | bugger.. |
| 08:40:24 | JdGordon | .. i mean.. yay :D |
| 08:40:45 | LinusN | amiconn: :-) |
| 08:40:58 | bam__ | so anyone know if the play-stop-play bug has been fixed? |
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| 08:42:13 | midkay | bam__, it was right after it was introduced.. days ago.. |
| 08:42:20 | midkay | if we're thinking of the same bug. |
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| 08:43:09 | bam__ | i think so |
| 08:43:27 | bam__ | where you press stop the play again and its paused |
| 08:43:47 | bam__ | *then |
| 08:44:17 | midkay | maybe not the same one then.. |
| 08:44:25 | bam__ | ahh |
| 08:44:25 | midkay | never had such a problem, myself.. |
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| 08:44:37 | LinusN | midkay: we're getting complaints about the button combo that pops up the pitch screen |
| 08:44:39 | bam__ | hmmm I have tthe 23rd release |
| 08:44:55 | midkay | LinusN, hm? |
| 08:45:37 | bam__ | lemme check the latest release(compiled that is) |
| 08:45:44 | B4gder | kkurbjun: how you like my idea of getting your doom version into CVS and giving you CVS commit access to work on it there? |
| 08:46:32 | kkurbjun | B4gder, That would be great if that's what works best for everyone. |
| 08:46:44 | LinusN | midkay: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4928 |
| 08:47:21 | B4gder | kkurbjun: I think it would allow more people to help out with the work. |
| 08:47:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Does it compile for iPod again? |
| 08:47:25 | midkay | oh, forgot about id3 display.. and never even knew there was a directory skip. :) |
| 08:48:05 | B4gder | yeah, we'd need it to build fine for all targets before commit |
| 08:48:10 | kkurbjun | B4gder, Yeah, that would be great if more people worked on it. |
| 08:48:27 | midkay | "First we lost the "quick" menu (which now has to be turned off expicitly, rather than disappear automatically when you release the mode button)" - i hope that wasn't my doing? i don't remember touching any button code.. |
| 08:49:05 | midkay | it's even working for me now, i don't have to turn it off explicity.. he must be mistaken.. |
| 08:49:09 | kkurbjun | Paul_The_Nerd, No, it builds, but it doesn't run yet |
| 08:49:09 | kkurbjun | B4gder, right now the only targets I can test or build for is the H300 |
| 08:49:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: What's wrong on iPod? |
| 08:49:34 | kkurbjun | the ipod port compiles, but doesn't actually run |
| 08:49:45 | kkurbjun | it's a problem with alignment again |
| 08:49:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | =/ |
| 08:50:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | What was wrong with the working version that you scrapped it? |
| 08:50:01 | kkurbjun | it works fine in the sim and on the H300 |
| 08:50:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but that's *one* target. |
| 08:50:26 | kkurbjun | Paul_The_Nerd, the new version adds many many more features |
| 08:50:32 | LinusN | midkay: do you mean the archos version? |
| 08:50:40 | kkurbjun | http://prboom.sourceforge.net/about.html#features |
| 08:50:49 | midkay | LinusN, yes..? |
| 08:50:55 | LinusN | just checking |
| 08:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Have you worked on the alignment issue then? |
| 08:51:46 | LinusN | midkay: hmm, it seems he has a h100 |
| 08:51:57 | kkurbjun | Paul_The_Nerd, I would love for it to be working on the Ipods now, I don't really have a way to test the problem, or verify "fixes" |
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| 08:52:37 | midkay | LinusN, i'm quite sure didn't touch button handling, so it must have been something else... |
| 08:52:43 | midkay | if it ever even worked like the archos. |
| 08:53:01 | kkurbjun | linuxstb was able to fix the old version, but it doesn't seem that the problems are in the malloc code anymore |
| 08:53:28 | LinusN | midkay: i don't think you did that |
| 08:53:49 | midkay | either way, i still need to finish that update i've been working on. :) |
| 08:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Well, I'll take a look at it tomorrow, and at least document where I get data aborts or what not. I may not be able to fix things, but at the very least I can help figure out where to look again. |
| 08:54:08 | kkurbjun | Paul_The_Nerd, That would be great |
| 08:54:11 | midkay | hmm, to save me searching through files - there is a lcd_getmargins, right? |
| 08:54:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: I'd do it now, but my iPod's been loaned out for the night, in an attempt to win a friend over to Rockboxing her H120. |
| 08:55:03 | LinusN | midkay: grep is your friend |
| 08:55:16 | kkurbjun | : ), that's fine, I have other things I need to work on for the next couple of days anyway |
| 08:55:18 | midkay | LinusN, i sure could.. :) |
| 08:55:20 | LinusN | and all lcd functions are declared in lcd.h |
| 08:55:20 | amiconn | Getting doom to run on H1x0 using the grayscale lib shouldn't be a big problem... :) |
| 08:55:24 | LinusN | extern int lcd_getxmargin(void); |
| 08:55:24 | LinusN | extern int lcd_getymargin(void); |
| 08:55:40 | midkay | there we are. thanks. :) |
| 08:55:50 | amiconn | Bah |
| 08:55:55 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I plan on looking at that soon, the grayscale lib runs on the sims now right? |
| 08:56:00 | midkay | i'll probably then, tomorrow, update the quick screens, add support for them on the ipods, and fix the pitch screen.. |
| 08:56:15 | amiconn | Some (probably tagcache) message now overwrites the logo at boot on archos :( |
| 08:56:22 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Yes |
| 08:57:13 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, so the message "Committing tagcache" overlaps with the logo then.. |
| 08:57:18 | B4gder | kkurbjun: and for x5 support, it shouldn't require much on your behalf other than a different lcd size and button mapping |
| 08:57:31 | bam__ | guess that bug is history...cool |
| 08:57:33 | amiconn | Slasheri: The mesage was " " this time |
| 08:57:45 | LinusN | informative :-) |
| 08:57:46 | B4gder | but of course it can be left for an x5 owner to fix later on |
| 08:57:54 | amiconn | (and tagcache is not enabled right now) |
| 08:58:11 | kkurbjun | B4gder, I can give you a version that compiles cleanly on the H300 and the sims, would it be possible to start with those as the two targets for now, like I said it compiles on the ipod, but it doesn't run yet because of alignment issues. I guess I could start working on completing some other ports before the features are finished.. |
| 08:58:34 | B4gder | kkurbjun: I think that's a fair start, yes |
| 08:58:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: tagcache always checks at boot if there is anything to commit, and it will display the message very shortly (user can't see it) if there is nothing to do |
| 08:59:52 | amiconn | Okay. So we need to adjust the test position on archos |
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| 09:00:00 | kkurbjun | B4gder, I should have time to work on it after wednesday. I think I can have a clean release by that night |
| 09:00:13 | kkurbjun | after wednesday afternoon that is |
| 09:00:17 | B4gder | cool |
| 09:00:31 | * | amiconn just statred putting some stress on the wav playback plugin, by playing a whole CD as wav, on recorder, running from battery |
| 09:00:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: have you made any changes not in the patch tracker? |
| 09:00:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Specifically, if I'm going to be crashing my ipod with it tomorrow, I'd like to at least do it with sources that will crash in the right place. :) |
| 09:01:19 | amiconn | 670MB wav file... |
| 09:02:05 | kkurbjun | Paul_The_Nerd, yes, but the changes that I have made shouldn't affect the crashes... I can give you a copy of the source I have now, but it really compiles ugly right now if you want to work with that |
| 09:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: I'll just use what's on the tracker if you're fairly confident it won't change the crashes. I trust you. |
| 09:02:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: How's it going with that? |
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| 09:03:37 | amiconn | It's running fine... |
| 09:03:40 | Bg3r | any thoughts about this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 from the ipod owners ? |
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| 09:04:31 | amiconn | LinusN: On archos tt's possible to get rid of the pop caused by the hard MAS reset when switching between playback and recording |
| 09:05:00 | LinusN | amiconn: oh, was there a pop? :-) |
| 09:05:19 | amiconn | We can reset the DSP separately. This has the additional advantage that all settings of the audiocodec part stay intact |
| 09:05:27 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes |
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| 09:05:53 | LinusN | that's very good |
| 09:05:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: Some (several (many)) people have requested that feature in various locations. I'm somewhat indifferent about it. I think some thought needs to go into what should really happen when an earphone is unplugged, as there may be some alternatives that are better than simply pausing (though I haven't thought of any yet. So maybe not.) |
| 09:05:58 | kkurbjun | Paul_The_Nerd, Here's the test code: alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/rockdoom-testsource.zip I don't know if this version will fit on the ipod's plugin buffer, if it doesn't let me know and I'll just scrap the whole prboom set of menu's as it adds quite a bit to the codesize. |
| 09:06:33 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd i'm asking because this guy seems active :) |
| 09:07:00 | Bg3r | it'll be good someone to comment his work |
| 09:07:01 | LinusN | ev.data = (bool *)1 should be (void *)1 |
| 09:07:26 | amiconn | LinusN: That's what I'm using to get the MAS back into mp3 mode before leaving wavplay, without the need to set all sound settings again. |
| 09:07:38 | LinusN | Bg3r: otherwise it looks really nice |
| 09:07:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: Well, I see no reason not to really. People like that feature. |
| 09:08:04 | amiconn | The only sound setting handled in the DSP is the stereo matrix, so only that needs to be set again |
| 09:08:10 | Bg3r | yep, but because i don't own iPod i can't test it, so i won't be the one to commit it |
| 09:08:13 | amiconn | (channel config + stereo width) |
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| 09:08:38 | * | amiconn got a better understanding of the MAS by working with the PCM codec |
| 09:09:19 | LinusN | good |
| 09:09:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: Unfortunately, as I said earlier, my iPod's out for the night. Sounds like it should be tested on a 5G anyway, since the creator has a Nano |
| 09:10:32 | Bg3r | so, linuxstb | lostlogic :P |
| 09:10:43 | amiconn | The PCM codec also has the stereo matrix processing for recording. While it doesn't sound extremely useful, there's at least one thing it can do: switch channels for those units where L and R are swapped for recording... |
| 09:11:08 | LinusN | ah, good |
| 09:11:08 | Bg3r | amiconn does this pcm codec allows recording too ? |
| 09:11:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:11:27 | amiconn | yep |
| 09:11:29 | Bg3r | ah, ignore me |
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| 09:12:29 | midkay | kkurbjun, is that test source for ipod? |
| 09:13:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It compiles but will/should have data aborts. |
| 09:13:18 | kkurbjun | midkay, I don't think it will work for the Ipod right now, it is just the latest source that I am working from |
| 09:13:48 | midkay | kkurbjun, ah, alright. apparently Paul_The_Nerd's ipod isn't available atm, was wondering if you needed a tester or something. |
| 09:14:43 | kkurbjun | midkay, if you can find where the data abots are occuring and tell me if the code fits in the plugin buffer that would be helpful. |
| 09:14:57 | midkay | kkurbjun, oh, sure.. |
| 09:15:12 | bam__ | for those interested the fav's plugin is very easily edited in a nice hex editor...for predefined playlist building |
| 09:15:23 | | Part bagawk |
| 09:15:33 | bam__ | makes for easier otf playlist saving |
| 09:15:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | bam__: There's also the source... |
| 09:16:03 | bam__ | only if your not an idiot and can get the cross compiler running :) |
| 09:16:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 09:16:46 | bam__ | if I could get the cross compiler running, I could have some real fun... |
| 09:16:54 | LinusN | bam__: aaah, you're that idiot everybody's talking about :-) |
| 09:17:04 | bam__ | eh, probably |
| 09:17:10 | LinusN | kidding |
| 09:17:24 | bam__ | eh the hex editor has limitations |
| 09:17:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | bam__: Windows, Linux, MacOS? |
| 09:17:38 | bam__ | linux |
| 09:17:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | bam__: What problems do you have? |
| 09:18:22 | bam__ | I have bintools and gcc installed from the feed, I suppose its just configuration thats left |
| 09:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | The feed? |
| 09:18:52 | bam__ | running ubuntu |
| 09:18:56 | bam__ | err kubuntu |
| 09:19:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 09:19:12 | bam__ | repositories |
| 09:19:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | You may just want to download the source and follow the full CrossCompiler instructions in the wiki |
| 09:19:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Take a wee bit longer, but *probably* end up with more consistent results |
| 09:19:31 | midkay | kkurbjun, shall i use the 0.81 diff? |
| 09:19:44 | bam__ | yea...I should try again.. |
| 09:19:57 | bam__ | well off to try.... |
| 09:20:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 09:20:05 | bam__ | again. |
| 09:20:06 | biffhero | Bg3r: regarding 4899, have to go to bed now, hope to try it tomorrow |
| 09:20:12 | kkurbjun | midkay, oh, thanks for that, I forgot the test needs a new diff |
| 09:20:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I used the CrossCompiler page for my original Cygwin install |
| 09:20:18 | kkurbjun | one second |
| 09:20:21 | midkay | kkurbjun, oh, alright :) |
| 09:20:44 | biffhero | on my iPod, it pauses on unplug, and then only lights up the LCD on plug-in |
| 09:21:39 | Bg3r | biffhero your ipod is ? |
| 09:21:40 | biffhero | Bg3r: retailOS is as follows: if "hold", unplug will pause, plugin does nothing |
| 09:21:41 | biffhero | 5g |
| 09:22:05 | Bg3r | hms |
| 09:22:10 | biffhero | if !hold, unplug pauses, plugin does nothing |
| 09:22:24 | biffhero | I thought that plugin would turn the LCD on, but it doesn't |
| 09:22:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Odd, on the Nano, replug resumes playback I think(it takes a second to respond though) |
| 09:22:50 | biffhero | interesting |
| 09:23:43 | biffhero | what do you want me to apply that patch to? a new CVS download, or a daily, or a cvs 2006-03-24 ? |
| 09:24:06 | kkurbjun | midkay, kkurbjun/rockdoom-sourcetest.diff">http://alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/rockdoom-sourcetest.diff |
| 09:24:20 | biffhero | I really like the 'stop on unplug' because I often twist around and unplug the thing, or drop it, or whatever. |
| 09:24:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: You'd apply it to a clean CVS source ideally... |
| 09:24:48 | biffhero | k |
| 09:24:49 | LinusN | biffhero: apply it to the latest cvs |
| 09:26:26 | biffhero | I just thought of something. It might act differently on a plugin event depending on whether it is only in LCD light-off, or whether it is in LCD all-off. I will let it shut off the LCD here, and then plug in to it. waiting... |
| 09:27:09 | biffhero | there it is. pluging in the headphones when the LCD is off turns on the LCD and turns on the backlight |
| 09:27:18 | biffhero | it does not start playback. |
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| 09:27:21 | biffhero | goodnight |
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| 09:30:53 | midkay | crap, in VMware how can you scroll up or anything? |
| 09:31:07 | midkay | been bugging me for a while.. |
| 09:31:13 | midkay | kkurbjun, also - doesn't fit in RAM, apparently. |
| 09:32:39 | webguest35 | shift-pageup |
| 09:32:52 | kkurbjun | midkay, thanks, I'll be abandoning the new menu's then |
| 09:32:57 | webguest35 | Isn't really a vmware issue |
| 09:32:57 | midkay | aha. thanks. |
| 09:33:05 | webguest35 | just linux-console |
| 09:33:15 | midkay | webguest35, it's not an issue at all :) just my lack of knowledge.. |
| 09:33:28 | midkay | kkurbjun, so.. shall i recompile with more RAM, or.. wait for a new version? |
| 09:34:23 | webguest35 | midkay: I just meant that it isn't specific to vmware at all |
| 09:34:37 | midkay | webguest35, ah. |
| 09:34:42 | kkurbjun | midkay, you can recompile it with more ram for now, I'll release a new version when I have time to work on it |
| 09:34:50 | midkay | kkurbjun, alright |
| 09:36:34 | bam__ | oh anyone have the at&t true voice crystal file? |
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| 09:38:53 | aliask | Hey is anyone having REALLY weird stuff happening when installing latest CVS? |
| 09:38:56 | midkay | kkurbjun, sorry, i have no base wads.. i need prboom? |
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| 09:39:25 | kkurbjun | midkay, yes, kkurbjun/prboom.wad">http://alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/prboom.wad |
| 09:39:39 | midkay | thx for direct link :) |
| 09:40:03 | kkurbjun | no problem |
| 09:40:19 | midkay | retrying.. |
| 09:40:54 | midkay | data abort at 01F56578 |
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| 09:42:07 | kkurbjun | midkay, if you can add a delay in printf and find out where exactly that is in the code that would be extremely helpful |
| 09:42:35 | midkay | kkurbjun, i have no idea how you debug these or even use the numbers.. if it's simple, i can probably manage - what exactly? :) |
| 09:43:31 | B4gder | midkay: you can use the .map file to figure out within what function that address is located |
| 09:44:16 | midkay | where do .map files end up? |
| 09:45:02 | B4gder | the plugin maps are in apps/plugins and I guess the doom one is either there or in its own dir |
| 09:45:31 | B4gder | (I'm not familiar with the doom build integration) |
| 09:46:25 | midkay | i have doom.rock in /.rockbox - i don't see any .map files anywhere |
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| 09:46:35 | B4gder | they're in the build tree |
| 09:46:44 | midkay | oh, that. |
| 09:46:48 | midkay | :) |
| 09:47:28 | midkay | .text.Z_ChangeTag |
| 09:47:28 | midkay | 0x01f56578 |
| 09:47:30 | midkay | looks right.. |
| 09:48:20 | midkay | fwiw, kkurbjun, i got a massive number of errors during compile, if you weren't aware |
| 09:48:38 | midkay | er. |
| 09:48:39 | midkay | warnings. |
| 09:48:39 | midkay | :) |
| 09:48:59 | kkurbjun | midkay, yes, I know this version has alot of warnings |
| 09:49:12 | midkay | kkurbjun, alright |
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| 09:49:58 | kkurbjun | midkay, it looks like there is a problem with the malloc code |
| 09:50:15 | midkay | kkurbjun, major? |
| 09:51:52 | kkurbjun | midkay, I'm not sure where that problem is, but an abort at that address would indicate that. major enough to make doom not run.. |
| 09:52:02 | midkay | kkurbjun, hmm.. |
| 09:53:52 | kkurbjun | midkay, thanks for that test, that at least gives me something to work with |
| 09:54:33 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Is it a known tagcache problem that tracks within an album don't appear in the correct order? |
| 09:54:34 | midkay | kkurbjun, no problem - anything to get doom committed quicker ;) |
| 09:54:41 | kkurbjun | : ) |
| 09:55:03 | kkurbjun | time to sleep |
| 09:55:08 | midkay | kkurbjun, night :) |
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| 10:00:17 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes, i will add sorting code to the browser soon |
| 10:01:08 | linuxstb | Slasheri: OK, thanks. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something strange about my tags. |
| 10:01:17 | Slasheri | good :) |
| 10:01:33 | linuxstb | Did you see the TagCache wiki page I started? |
| 10:01:49 | Slasheri | in fact, i think that optional sorting mode by track order would be nice too |
| 10:01:55 | Slasheri | yes, i just read that |
| 10:02:08 | Slasheri | i already tried to fix the ipod problem, somebody should test it now again |
| 10:02:28 | linuxstb | Why optional? At least in album view, I don't think it makes sense for the tracks to not be in tracknumber order. |
| 10:02:29 | LinusN | Slasheri: how is chunked browsing? |
| 10:02:33 | Arrogant | My battery won't charge. |
| 10:02:46 | LinusN | Arrogant: which model? |
| 10:02:48 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I'm recompiling for the ipod now. |
| 10:02:49 | Arrogant | 5G |
| 10:02:54 | Arrogant | It's only 3 months old |
| 10:03:13 | linuxstb | Arrogant: Have you tried forcing your ipod into disk mode, or starting the Apple firmware? |
| 10:03:22 | Arrogant | I tried starting the Apple firmware |
| 10:03:26 | Slasheri | linuxstb: Hmm, true. I will still think about that. Doing the tracknumber ordering requires new tag to the tagcache engine |
| 10:03:28 | Arrogant | It shuts off before it starts |
| 10:03:33 | Arrogant | It doesn't have enough power to do it |
| 10:03:48 | Slasheri | LinusN: tagcache engine now supports it (sorting), but UI doesn't yet work right |
| 10:03:51 | Arrogant | And instead of charging, it boots rockbox |
| 10:04:00 | Arrogant | and sits there. |
| 10:04:38 | Arrogant | Like just now, I plugged it in and it loaded Rockbox. |
| 10:05:00 | Arrogant | Which would be fine if it actually gained some power in the process. |
| 10:05:09 | linuxstb | How do you know it's not charging? |
| 10:05:30 | LinusN | Slasheri: good, i was just wondering, since chunked browsing affects the sorting |
| 10:05:51 | Arrogant | It keeps shutting off while trying to start up |
| 10:05:55 | Slasheri | LinusN: yep, the sorting should work fine now on all targets :) |
| 10:06:04 | LinusN | nice |
| 10:08:07 | linuxstb | Arrogant: Hold down SELECT+PLAY when you turn on your ipod - this will force it into disk mode. Then try charging from there. |
| 10:08:38 | Arrogant | Okay. |
| 10:09:02 | Arrogant | Thanks. |
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| 10:14:18 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I still get a data abort if I try to load tagcache in ram. It was at 00030bcc - about half way through tagcache_get_next() |
| 10:14:26 | linuxstb | But this seems later than before. |
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| 10:15:40 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, interesting |
| 10:16:40 | linuxstb | Is a reboot required for the "load to ram"/"keep on disk" option to take effect? |
| 10:17:45 | Slasheri | yes |
| 10:18:39 | linuxstb | Maybe it needs a message similar to the dircache? |
| 10:20:12 | linuxstb | But anyway, it seems to be working very well, even at this stage. It solves the itunes problem nicely - it indexes both the itunes loaded files and files I've just copied to my ipod. |
| 10:20:21 | Slasheri | good idea, i will add that message |
| 10:20:30 | Slasheri | nice :) |
| 10:21:44 | crwl | any idea why I got album contents in reverse order, ie. the last song first etc.? |
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| 10:23:43 | Slasheri | crwl: track number sorting is not yet working |
| 10:24:01 | crwl | ok :) |
| 10:26:28 | Slasheri | but now going to eat something (to wilhelmiina) ;) |
| 10:27:20 | Zagor | Bg3r: is there any point in having two "filter first" options? wouldn't it be better to merge them into one, and have the main and remote work the same? |
| 10:27:54 | crwl | heh |
| 10:28:01 | austriancoder | what kind of tools do i need to "build" the manual on linux? |
| 10:28:13 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I've just added a note about track order within an album to the wiki page. |
| 10:28:38 | linuxstb | austriancoder: LaTeX. Which Linux distributution do you have? |
| 10:28:47 | austriancoder | linuxstb: gentoo |
| 10:29:53 | linuxstb | I've no idea about gentoo. But I would expect every Linux distro to have latex packages. |
| 10:30:42 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i will look for latex packages for gentoo |
| 10:34:23 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I don't think you should add files to tagcache if get_metadata() returns false. A return value of false should mean that the file is unplayable by Rockbox - not that there were no tags. |
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| 10:43:52 | Bg3r | Zagor some people like the remote's buttons to work immediately, while the ones on the main unit just to "show" the screen on first press |
| 10:43:59 | Bg3r | for example h300 |
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| 10:50:22 | austriancoder | as tagcache gets into rockbox, i have a nice idea. Tagcache should update its cache with every rockbox start. To speed it up, we could add a hashshum to dirs so we can see where some modifications has been done. And tagcache only looks at the changed dirs.... what do you think? |
| 10:52:04 | midkay | austriancoder, doesn't sound like anything revolutionary - still probably takes a while :) an option for a rescan on startup or manual updates would be best, definitely - since i only add music once in a while, it's rare - no need to waste time rescanning each boot.. |
| 10:52:11 | midkay | anyways - bed for me. night all. |
| 10:52:29 | amiconn | Afaik, tagcache updates dynamically when dircache is enabled. |
| 10:52:42 | amiconn | Slasheri: Please correct me if I'm wrong... |
| 10:52:55 | austriancoder | amiconn: whats dircache and how to enable it? |
| 10:52:59 | amiconn | Without dircache, dynamic updates would be too slow |
| 10:55:41 | austriancoder | got dircache running :) Ok.. so no need for checksums |
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| 11:00:28 | Slasheri | amiconn: correct if loading to ram is also enabled |
| 11:00:38 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, i will fix that |
| 11:01:13 | Slasheri | austriancoder: yep, tagcache already detects new files automatically when cache is loaded to ram |
| 11:05:15 | austriancoder | Slasheri: cool |
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| 11:07:52 | amiconn | Slasheri: What's still missing is removing deleted files, right? |
| 11:08:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, true. But i will automate that also in future |
| 11:08:48 | Slasheri | it shouldn't be very hard to add |
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| 11:20:54 | bobTHC | hi peeps ! |
| 11:22:36 | bobTHC | welldone Bagder for the plugin wavplay !!!! |
| 11:22:50 | LinusN | that was amiconn |
| 11:23:13 | bobTHC | :) so well done amiconn ! |
| 11:24:05 | B4gder | I don't do good stuff |
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| 11:24:16 | bobTHC | u do |
| 11:24:18 | bobTHC | ! |
| 11:24:22 | amiconn | thx |
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| 11:25:08 | bobTHC | have we any chance to be able to implement some other codec in the mas ? |
| 11:25:23 | amiconn | nope |
| 11:26:03 | amiconn | The PCM codec can be used for some more formats than the plugin now supports, like WAV with 8bit PCM, ADPCM |
| 11:26:14 | amiconn | We can also support AIFF, and PCM recording |
| 11:26:20 | amiconn | That's about it |
| 11:26:42 | bobTHC | already not bad for the hardware |
| 11:26:44 | amiconn | Well, if someone codes an efficient MOD player... |
| 11:27:03 | Jungti1234 | hmm sorry |
| 11:27:25 | * | amiconn continuously played wav today for ~1.5 hours |
| 11:27:37 | amiconn | Battery is still above half full |
| 11:27:46 | Jungti1234 | I didn't look for copyright of Rockbox logo. |
| 11:27:50 | Jungti1234 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockboxlogo.png |
| 11:28:01 | Jungti1234 | Now, I found it. |
| 11:28:18 | Jungti1234 | It was GPL. |
| 11:28:24 | webguest35 | That version is |
| 11:28:27 | bobTHC | or some DSP tricks like the famous m3po "Variable playback speed is possible without affecting pitch" |
| 11:28:29 | webguest35 | the large one may not be |
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| 11:32:55 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i have done a new fix, would you like to try a patch? |
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| 11:33:59 | LinusN | bobTHC: the m3po playback speed is not a dsp trick |
| 11:34:31 | bobTHC | how they handle that ? |
| 11:34:42 | LinusN | adding/removing mp3 frames |
| 11:35:31 | bobTHC | all is done by the MAS ? |
| 11:35:37 | LinusN | no, by the sh1 |
| 11:35:46 | bobTHC | huu, strange |
| 11:36:09 | LinusN | we can do that as well if we want to, when we implement the frame walker for playback |
| 11:36:20 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Sure. |
| 11:37:05 | bobTHC | oki LinusN, another good news ;) |
| 11:37:06 | LinusN | i'm tempted to put together a proof of concept, but i will probably never find the time |
| 11:37:32 | LinusN | i have it all worked out in my head |
| 11:37:49 | linuxstb | Won't files using the bit reservoir cause problems? |
| 11:37:57 | LinusN | nope |
| 11:37:58 | bobTHC | as usual it's the 1 target ;) |
| 11:38:39 | LinusN | linuxstb: we reformat the stream and convert it to cbr in realtime |
| 11:39:07 | linuxstb | Sounds clever. |
| 11:39:20 | LinusN | cbr 320kbit/s |
| 11:40:00 | * | linuxstb has no idea what's inside an mp3 frame. |
| 11:40:01 | LinusN | then we can strip any frame we like |
| 11:41:03 | LinusN | there might be some obscure 320kbit/s stream out there that still makes use of the bit reservoir, but they are hopefully quite rare :-) |
| 11:42:25 | bobTHC | bottleneck or calculation problems ? |
| 11:42:57 | Jungti1234 | http://pds2.egloos.com/pds/1/200603/25/85/b0056385_2128251.jpg |
| 11:42:58 | Jungti1234 | haha.. |
| 11:46:05 | Slasheri | linuxstb: done, http://ihme.org/~miipekk/tagcache_ipod.patch |
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| 11:46:17 | Slasheri | you should first remove all .tcd files to regenerate the tagcache |
| 11:46:32 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ups, the url is http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/tagcache_ipod.patch |
| 11:46:54 | linuxstb | OK, I'll test it now. |
| 11:48:15 | preglow | LinusN: doesn't almost all cbr files use the bit reservoir? |
| 11:48:24 | LinusN | yes they do |
| 11:48:48 | LinusN | that's why we convert to 320kbit/s |
| 11:48:54 | LinusN | to make room |
| 11:49:12 | amiconn | VBR files can use the bit reservoir as well (and often do) |
| 11:49:27 | webguest35 | Hrm, anyway to figure out sf->flyspray item ids? |
| 11:49:53 | webguest35 | That is, if an item mentions a SF id, which flyspray task that means |
| 11:50:13 | amiconn | LinusN: What's the X5V? |
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| 11:50:21 | LinusN | x5 without fm radio |
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| 11:54:38 | preglow | hmmm |
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| 11:55:29 | willis_ | anybody know how to get back to the WPS while browsing in the file browser? |
| 11:55:41 | LinusN | willis_: what model? |
| 11:55:48 | amiconn | Ah ok. Something like the archos *_SP devices then... |
| 11:55:53 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 11:55:56 | willis_ | h120 |
| 11:56:02 | LinusN | willis_: press Play |
| 11:56:44 | willis_ | LinusN, ah you're right... i swear that used to open directories instead : ) |
| 11:57:41 | linuxstb | Slasheri: It still crashes in the same place. |
| 11:57:44 | aliask | On the coding side of things, how easy would it be to implement getting back to the WPS from the file browser when trying to go "up a level" while at root? |
| 11:58:03 | LinusN | aliask: dead easy, and very unwanted |
| 11:58:14 | aliask | What are the reasons against this? |
| 11:58:22 | willis_ | I have to say I would prefer that method, it seems logical |
| 11:58:30 | LinusN | logical in what way? |
| 11:58:54 | aliask | Well to me, the base screen is the WPS, so you are sort of exiting the browser. (I know that this isn't the case in rockbox though) |
| 11:58:59 | willis_ | well there is no logical file structure beyond root (to the left that is) so it must go somewhere and why not to the playings creen |
| 11:59:07 | LinusN | aliask: to rockbox, the main screen is the browser |
| 11:59:08 | aliask | It seemed rather intuitive when it was like that in the iRiver firmware. |
| 11:59:10 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah :/ hmm, could you find the exact location where it crashes? |
| 11:59:39 | aliask | LinusN: I know, but intuitively the WPS is, I mean the player's main function is playing music, not browsing for it. |
| 11:59:49 | petur | LinusN: the settings menu behaves the same way: if you reach the top, it goes back to where you were |
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| 12:00:12 | LinusN | aliask: intuition is very platform dependent |
| 12:00:31 | aliask | LinusN: Yes, that's hard to argue with. |
| 12:00:38 | LinusN | petur: that's because Left leaves a menu |
| 12:00:58 | LinusN | you don't leave the browser, since it's the main screen |
| 12:01:23 | willis_ | LinusN, well then isn't that the idea that left leaves a selection action.. therefore left should leave the song selection screen i.e. the file browser I think that's how it works in my mind |
| 12:01:38 | willis_ | LinusN, but pressing play is easy as well : ) |
| 12:01:43 | LinusN | willis_: the browser is the main screen |
| 12:01:55 | willis_ | LinusN, but from the wps it is a song selection screen |
| 12:02:14 | LinusN | no, not in rockbox |
| 12:02:27 | willis_ | LinusN, also you could think of it as a back button in a web browser |
| 12:02:45 | LinusN | now *that* would be confusing :-) |
| 12:02:49 | willis_ | why? |
| 12:03:12 | LinusN | because then you never know where you end up |
| 12:03:20 | willis_ | the user wants to go back to what they were previously doing... i.e. listening to music |
| 12:03:21 | * | amiconn HATES that discussion about going "back" to the wps |
| 12:03:27 | LinusN | me too |
| 12:03:36 | webguest35 | aliask: But how intuitive is the WPS screen as base screen if there's no music playing? Wouldn't you rather be able to find some music then? |
| 12:03:36 | aliask | We'll leave you alone then :) |
| 12:03:38 | bobTHC | :) |
| 12:03:50 | amiconn | The wps has never been the main screen in rockbox, and hopefully will never be |
| 12:04:15 | amiconn | WPS makes no sense without music playing. File browser always makes sense |
| 12:04:34 | aliask | Let me make it clear that I am perfectly happy with the way rockbox is. |
| 12:05:15 | willis_ | yeah of course... but as soon as you start the wps... it takes over, people don't generally start music playing and then stop it later to leave their mp3 player on to do other thigns |
| 12:05:35 | aliask | I think that both sides have good arguments though. To me it's sort of balanced, so why bother changing the way it is. |
| 12:05:45 | willis_ | so in a sense it becomes the default screen and all actions return to it. |
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| 12:05:55 | LinusN | one major problem with left-to-wps is that it makes blind navigation harder |
| 12:06:09 | willis_ | LinusN, that's a good point |
| 12:06:27 | LinusN | one left too many and you end up in wps, and the voice stops talking to you |
| 12:06:57 | aliask | Yeah, I do find myself pressing left about 20 times so that I know I'm at root. |
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| 12:07:51 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I'm not sure how I can find the exact C instruction it's crashing at. I've found the asm instruction... It's possibly around line 535 of tagcache.c, but it's just a guess. |
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| 12:08:37 | b00st4 | hola |
| 12:09:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ok, thanks |
| 12:09:42 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, in fact that seems to be the correct place |
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| 12:12:27 | webguest10 | hi @ all |
| 12:12:42 | webguest10 | have you seen this? −−> http://rockbox.softjock.com/ |
| 12:13:36 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OtherRockbox |
| 12:13:38 | aliask | I think there's a wiki page that has a large list of other "rockbox"'s |
| 12:13:51 | aliask | B4gder with the details faster than me! |
| 12:13:55 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 12:14:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: Mapping from asm to C shouldn't be hard if only moderate -O levels were used |
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| 12:14:55 | webguest10 | okay... |
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| 12:16:50 | preglow | have anyone ever trademarked rockbox? :> |
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| 12:17:33 | aliask | preglow: Let's hope not... (if it would even affect us that much) |
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| 12:20:11 | amiconn | B4gder: Regarding langv2.... How does that target mapping work? |
| 12:20:42 | amiconn | I need to understand that b/c I have to port parts of genlang2 to vbscript for building voices... |
| 12:20:47 | B4gder | its not very advanced yet, but basically I use the ARCHOS define from the makefile |
| 12:21:05 | B4gder | to allow the language system to pick different phrases |
| 12:21:10 | B4gder | h120: this text |
| 12:21:15 | B4gder | *: the rest uses this |
| 12:21:27 | amiconn | What about texts identical for multiple targets? |
| 12:21:51 | B4gder | it does a wildcard match |
| 12:21:55 | B4gder | and I intend to allow a list |
| 12:22:04 | B4gder | like "h120, nano: heeey" |
| 12:22:37 | amiconn | E.g. the 'Yes' button: PLAY for player, all recorder. NAVI for H300, SELECT for h100, h120, iPods. RIGHT for Ondio |
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| 12:23:42 | B4gder | with what I explain above, that should be no problem |
| 12:23:51 | b00st4 | how can i add the clock to the statusbar of my wps? |
| 12:24:14 | B4gder | amiconn: for doing voice clips, I figure I should do a mode that extracts them all somehow for your scripts |
| 12:24:14 | amiconn | Another suggestion: If a certain string is empty for a target (i.e. supposedly unused), could you modify the LANG_* identifier in the .h to allow catching the situation were it would be used unknowingly? |
| 12:24:33 | aliask | Wow, I didn't even realise that there had been much work into langv2 yet. Good to see though :) |
| 12:25:02 | amiconn | Like: LANG_FM_SCAN when it's used, but LANG_FM_SCAN__EMPTY when it's supposed to be unused? |
| 12:25:29 | amiconn | Otherwise we might accidentally have empty strings displayed |
| 12:25:53 | * | webguest35 stares at the mess of margin-patches, peakmeter and scrollbar extension patches |
| 12:25:54 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, if i have for example struct test { short data }; should sizeof(struct test) give 2 or 4 bytes? |
| 12:25:56 | webguest35 | viewports now! |
| 12:25:59 | amiconn | This way gcc would barf about LANG_FM_SCAN not being defined... |
| 12:26:22 | amiconn | webguest35: Post-3.0 stuff |
| 12:26:27 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I would guess 2 bytes. |
| 12:26:51 | webguest35 | amiconn: Yeah, it's just sad to see the amount of hackish patches created |
| 12:27:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, then it might be a problem. please try following: tagcache.c line 72. Right after "short tag_length" add short padding; |
| 12:27:19 | Slasheri | and try again :) |
| 12:27:44 | amiconn | Slasheri: Short data only needs to be short aligned |
| 12:28:10 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 12:28:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: Look at line 72 of tagcache.c. I'm guessing Slasheri then casts tag_data from a char to something else. |
| 12:29:20 | Slasheri | yep |
| 12:29:52 | LinusN | you will have a hard time aligning that data |
| 12:30:11 | Slasheri | hmm, or in fact that tag_data should remaing as char string |
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| 12:30:40 | B4gder | amiconn: I'll focus on the needs first and do the fancy good-to-haves later on |
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| 12:32:53 | amiconn | B4gder: I think this is an essential feature to protect us from empty-string accidents. I also think this shouldn't be hard |
| 12:33:00 | B4gder | I agree |
| 12:33:07 | B4gder | but I still focus in the required stuff first |
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| 12:35:17 | amiconn | linuxstb, Slasheri: tagfile_entry.tag_data *has* to be padded to an even length at least on arm and SH1, otherwise it will crash |
| 12:35:18 | Slasheri | linuxstb: and btw, did you have the latest cvs snapshot before you applied that patch? |
| 12:35:56 | Slasheri | or never mind in fact :) |
| 12:36:14 | XavierGr | Does anyone know why the IriverBoot topic is cloased and I can't add some information? |
| 12:36:23 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, interesting |
| 12:36:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah yes, it should be padded now (with the patch i provided for linuxstb ) |
| 12:37:01 | Slasheri | but it's still crashing somewhere :/ |
| 12:37:42 | webguest35 | XavierGr: locked by another one editing? |
| 12:38:07 | XavierGr | no, I have tried 3 times now and I get the same error. |
| 12:38:17 | webguest35 | what is the error? |
| 12:38:42 | XavierGr | "/home/bjst/rockbox_html/twiki/data/Main/IriverBoot.txt is not writable" |
| 12:39:05 | * | webguest35 pings Zagor |
| 12:40:01 | linuxstb | Slasheri: That last change (line 72) seems to fix it :) |
| 12:40:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb: oh, great! :) |
| 12:40:24 | Slasheri | then i will have to figure out why it fixed that and commit the fix |
| 12:41:48 | kclaf | sweet sweet |
| 12:41:56 | * | kclaf kisses slasheri |
| 12:42:00 | Slasheri | :D |
| 12:42:22 | kclaf | ill test it when itll get commited |
| 12:43:12 | Slasheri | good, i will do that soon |
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| 12:46:17 | Slasheri | kclaf: done |
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| 12:49:59 | kclaf | ok thanks, do i have to force a tagcache update ? |
| 12:51:36 | Slasheri | kclaf: you should remove all of the .tcd -files in .rockbox directory and then reboot twice (with dircache and tagcache loading to ram enabled) |
| 12:54:33 | linuxstb | Which of the Limits affect the size of the lists in the tagcache browser? Are both "Max files in dir browser" and "Max playlist size" relevant? |
| 12:55:28 | B4gder | imho, the tag cache should use aligning on all targets |
| 12:56:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb: at least the "max files in dir browser" affects the browser |
| 12:57:28 | Slasheri | B4gder: Hmm, i will consider changing that in future. It would increase memory consumption something like between 10-20 KiB |
| 12:58:01 | Slasheri | no, 20-40 KiB in fact at least |
| 12:59:02 | kclaf | er.. am i drunk or theres no more IPOD 5G bleeding edge build on CVS page ? |
| 12:59:03 | XavierGr | B4gder: Can you realease the lock of IriverBoot temporary to add a comment? |
| 12:59:30 | LinusN | XavierGr: fixed |
| 12:59:51 | LinusN | it looks like zagor had manually edited the file, perhaps removing wiki spam |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:32 | B4gder | Slasheri: yes, but it would improve the code |
| 13:00:41 | B4gder | and it would make the caches binary compatible |
| 13:00:45 | b00st4 | i often get this error, can any1 help me? http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quest7ah.jpg |
| 13:00:46 | B4gder | and |
| 13:00:52 | B4gder | the current ifdef is a bit naive |
| 13:01:10 | Slasheri | B4gder: true |
| 13:01:11 | B4gder | isn't ppc also a bit stricted on aligning? |
| 13:01:19 | B4gder | restricted |
| 13:01:31 | * | B4gder thinks of sim on Mac OS |
| 13:01:53 | LinusN | b00st4: you need to be in the correct directory to apply the patch, and the patch has to be properly created |
| 13:01:57 | linuxstb | Wouldn't endian differences would prevent binary compatibility? |
| 13:02:04 | XavierGr | Ok Linus, thanks. It is a comment for the H300 USB bootloader mode on some users. |
| 13:02:06 | B4gder | oh right |
| 13:02:16 | B4gder | very true, scrap that comment |
| 13:02:25 | b00st4 | and how i know the directory? |
| 13:02:48 | b00st4 | or can i just set -p4 or something to search deeper for the file |
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| 13:03:41 | LinusN | kclaf: no, you're not drunk |
| 13:04:22 | b00st4 | aight, made it up, thx |
| 13:04:38 | * | [IDC]Dragon cheers for wav playback in cvs |
| 13:04:51 | [IDC]Dragon | made me compile it this morning |
| 13:05:08 | [IDC]Dragon | and try out Great Giana Sisters.wav |
| 13:05:32 | [IDC]Dragon | having 8 MB helps ;-) |
| 13:06:05 | XavierGr | gotta run. Later all! |
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| 13:09:15 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: do you read? |
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| 13:12:17 | LinusN | b00st4: looks like one of the build servers is acting up |
| 13:16:14 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes |
| 13:17:33 | [IDC]Dragon | \o/ |
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| 13:18:12 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm thinking about giving recording a try, if I find some sleepless hours or such |
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| 13:18:37 | [IDC]Dragon | you have that optimised recording transfer somewhere? |
| 13:19:02 | [IDC]Dragon | or any other thoughts about the parallel i/f |
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| 13:21:06 | Lynx_ | wow, tagcache is done? |
| 13:21:26 | spiralout | hi i don´t want to be rude but has someone please a precompiled version of the h140 manual pdf from cvs? |
| 13:22:06 | spiralout | i tried serveral times to do it myself but i have problems with cygwin |
| 13:22:15 | spiralout | :-/ |
| 13:22:23 | preglow | hmm |
| 13:22:25 | preglow | a good point |
| 13:22:39 | preglow | we might want to distribute those |
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| 13:22:55 | spiralout | yes this would be nice |
| 13:23:20 | linuxstb | Lynx_: It's now in CVS, but there's still work to do. |
| 13:23:40 | Lynx_ | is it functional yet? |
| 13:23:43 | preglow | well |
| 13:23:44 | preglow | in a way |
| 13:23:47 | preglow | there's a long, long way to go |
| 13:23:56 | preglow | spiralout: i can compile you one in a sec |
| 13:24:01 | * | LinusN looks at the latest bug report and cries |
| 13:24:06 | preglow | spiralout: but be aware it's still very unfinished, and probably incorrect at places |
| 13:24:39 | spiralout | fine thank you |
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| 13:25:37 | spiralout | incompleteness isn´t a problem i know how rockbox works but i want to sell my player to a friend and maybe its easier to get in with a manual .. |
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| 13:27:14 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/h120-manual-draft.pdf |
| 13:28:19 | spiralout | thank you so much... great rockbox team ! |
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| 13:30:03 | dpro | hi, I was wondering if anyone was working on updating the docs/ I looked over the plugins api file last night and it seems kind of outdated ... |
| 13:30:17 | preglow | spiralout: like i said, it's a draft manual, it's unfinished, and probably inaccurate in places |
| 13:30:24 | dpro | (like mpeg_bla_bla being audio_bla_bla now etc) |
| 13:30:25 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Maybe I still have the asm loop somewhere. If not, it shouldn't be hard to redo that |
| 13:30:30 | preglow | spiralout: don't sell it as anything else |
| 13:30:54 | preglow | i guess this draft watermark thing tucoz put in is good after all :) |
| 13:31:03 | obo | Bg3r: ping? |
| 13:32:39 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The main problem was that I didn't trust my loop because of the transfer error, but as you know it turned out that it wasn't my fault... |
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| 13:45:06 | spiralout | yes i know as mentioned it´s a friend of mine i also said him that rockbox is unfinished and not in an official state yet...the manual is only that he don´t have to ask me all the time you know |
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| 13:48:32 | b00st4 | http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3259/error26al.jpg <<what can i do to fix this error? |
| 13:49:05 | LinusN | b00st4: talk to the patch author |
| 13:49:38 | webguest35 | Also, you should trim your screenshots |
| 13:50:16 | b00st4 | dunno, what patch affected screen_access |
| 13:51:36 | LinusN | b00st4: the thing is, when you apply patches, you're more or less on your own |
| 13:52:15 | LinusN | only the patch author can help you |
| 13:52:45 | b00st4 | damn, i dont know, what patch it was, applied severals, but they all seem to succeed |
| 13:53:15 | B4gder | then start over and rebuild between each patch |
| 13:53:32 | b00st4 | jap, i gotta do it like that...:/ |
| 13:53:33 | dpro | b00st4: grep screen_access /where/your/patches/are * # ?? |
| 13:53:49 | dpro | make that /where/your/patches/are/* |
| 13:54:07 | b00st4 | screen_access is not the name of the patch |
| 13:54:30 | dpro | b00st4: but it's probably /in/ one of the diffs |
| 13:54:46 | b00st4 | has to be, ur right |
| 13:55:45 | amiconn | Bagder, kkurbjun: What was the opinion about putting a proper malloc in the plugin lib? |
| 13:55:58 | amiconn | Should help solving a number of problems... |
| 13:56:42 | B4gder | and also introduce a few |
| 13:56:57 | B4gder | but I think I'm in favour of adding it anyway |
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| 13:58:32 | b00st4 | it was the peakmeter.patch |
| 13:58:35 | b00st4 | editor in here? |
| 13:59:51 | b00st4 | and what is the command to reject a patch |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:04 | B4gder | patch -R |
| 14:00:22 | b00st4 | patch -r < name? |
| 14:00:23 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 14:00:35 | preglow | B4gder: why would it introduce anymore than we already have? |
| 14:01:09 | B4gder | because writing code with pointers and allocated memory is somewhat more tricky |
| 14:01:11 | preglow | the only problem i can think of is leaking memory, and our current malloc implementation leaks memory by default... |
| 14:01:22 | preglow | net gain, no loss |
| 14:01:39 | B4gder | so it'll be writes to random memory addresses etc |
| 14:01:39 | linuxstb | My only argument against putting malloc in the plugin lib is that it will encourage people to use it. But the problems caused by bad malloc implementations are probably worse. |
| 14:01:51 | preglow | yes |
| 14:02:12 | amiconn | B4gder: It's not intended for writing new code, mainly for making it easier to make imported code work |
| 14:02:18 | amiconn | Like doom... |
| 14:02:26 | preglow | if we already know how to tell people not to use malloc |
| 14:02:34 | B4gder | I bet people will start using it the minut it arrives |
| 14:02:34 | preglow | but i'm not about to tell people to rewrite doom not to use malloc |
| 14:02:51 | preglow | and good luck to them |
| 14:02:58 | linuxstb | We could still reject patches that use malloc without a good reason. |
| 14:02:59 | preglow | as long as they don't use the audio buffer |
| 14:03:28 | B4gder | as I said, I am in favour but I don't think we should pretend that it won't add a few new interesting possibilities to do wrong |
| 14:03:55 | preglow | 'course not |
| 14:04:15 | preglow | this also calls for a new entry in the rockbox code rules about malloc, though :> |
| 14:04:26 | B4gder | hehe, yeah |
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| 14:13:36 | linuxstb | However, I don't think the current problems with Doom on the ipod are related to malloc though - the malloc implementation aligns the allocated memory to (IIRC) 16-byte boundaries. |
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| 14:16:25 | preglow | still doesn't say anything about the access pattern within the allocated memory |
| 14:16:50 | preglow | what are the current problems with ipod doom, btw? |
| 14:19:38 | ashridah | well. the tagcache still seems to lock up on H140 |
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| 14:20:57 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 14:22:02 | Slasheri | ashridah: hmm, how? |
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| 14:22:40 | ashridah | it generates a tag cache up to 100% |
| 14:22:40 | preglow | locks up in the root menu sometimes here |
| 14:22:45 | preglow | just plain hangs everything |
| 14:22:51 | ashridah | then i enable "id3 database" in show files, and hangs when i exit the menus |
| 14:23:00 | ashridah | backlight stuck on. |
| 14:23:06 | Slasheri | ah, that's weird |
| 14:23:06 | preglow | ditto here, yeah |
| 14:23:09 | netcrusher88 | does ipod version require a reformat if it's already fat32 format? |
| 14:23:14 | preglow | happens rather sporadically |
| 14:23:18 | preglow | netcrusher88: no |
| 14:23:24 | netcrusher88 | perfect |
| 14:23:28 | netcrusher88 | thanks |
| 14:23:28 | Slasheri | some problems with the ui.. remaining from the old tag database |
| 14:23:30 | ashridah | it does it consistently here |
| 14:23:49 | netcrusher88 | does it have a way to build a database of id3 tags and browse like that? |
| 14:23:53 | preglow | netcrusher88: no |
| 14:23:59 | preglow | netcrusher88: you can browse the file system just as it is |
| 14:24:00 | Slasheri | someone should redesign the ui for tagcache.. :) |
| 14:24:00 | linuxstb | preglow: Doom just crashes with a data abort during initialisation IIRC. I think the problem is due to the use of the "packed" attribute in some struct definitions - which is needed in order to read the binary structures from disk, but I think is also used for RAM accesses. |
| 14:24:04 | preglow | netcrusher88: as a matter of fact, that's the default |
| 14:24:26 | preglow | linuxstb: they should just redo the read routines if the structs to be read aren't too many |
| 14:24:45 | preglow | linuxstb: how does idoom handle that? |
| 14:25:02 | netcrusher88 | just read the faq, thanks :) |
| 14:25:29 | linuxstb | preglow: I think rockdoom is now based on prboom, and idoom is based on the original doom (which didn't have these problems). |
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| 14:25:47 | JdGordon | has any1 had a look @ http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4864 ? |
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| 14:27:07 | ashridah | great. now it's hung at the directory cache enable/disable menu screen |
| 14:27:21 | Bg3r | JdGordon :)) |
| 14:27:46 | JdGordon | i rekon that would be good for 3.0... |
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| 14:28:20 | linuxstb | ashridah: There's a TagCache wiki page - it explains a workaround for the "freeze after enabling the id3 database browser" problem. But if you find new problems, please add them there. |
| 14:28:36 | Bg3r | JdGordon if noone looks at it, i think to do it till 3rd of april... |
| 14:29:02 | JdGordon | u mean keep nagging about it? thats what i plan to do :D |
| 14:29:18 | obo | Bg3r: you were looking at 4899?? |
| 14:29:46 | ashridah | linuxstb: sneaky |
| 14:29:48 | Bg3r | obo yes, but i don't own a iPod |
| 14:30:02 | Bg3r | JdGordon i mean to think about commiting it |
| 14:30:06 | ashridah | woot. 'tagcache' progress is a few hundred % now :) |
| 14:30:15 | Bg3r | ashridah cool |
| 14:30:17 | JdGordon | Bg3r: i dont have commit acess.. |
| 14:30:23 | JdGordon | thats why im nagging.. |
| 14:30:27 | Bg3r | JdGordon but i have... |
| 14:30:38 | JdGordon | so nu? do it! :) |
| 14:30:53 | Bg3r | looking at the multiple-fm-presets patch atm |
| 14:30:56 | obo | Bg3r: ah, okay, np |
| 14:31:01 | Jungti1234 | hi JdGordon |
| 14:31:07 | JdGordon | hey Jungti1234 |
| 14:31:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: gcc *should* take care of accessing unaligned data in packed structs. Maybe that's another of those infamous gcc quirks... |
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| 14:31:49 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but it's easy to fool gcc with casting pointers |
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| 14:32:26 | amiconn | Isn't there a special attribute for pointers, telling gcc that the pointer might be unaligned? |
| 14:32:38 | LinusN | i have no idea |
| 14:34:03 | LinusN | sounds like something that would inflate the code size a lot |
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| 14:35:18 | ashridah | ah there we go. damn. that's pretty nifty. |
| 14:35:19 | ashridah | fast too |
| 14:35:31 | JdGordon | yay, tagcache finally works for me :) |
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| 14:40:55 | safetydan | Silly question. Can you just add decibel values together? So if I have +3db gain on the Replaygain pre-amp and -5db gain on the eq pre-amp, the end result is -2db gain right? |
| 14:41:23 | preglow | yes |
| 14:41:27 | safetydan | woo |
| 14:41:30 | safetydan | my life is easy then |
| 14:41:35 | preglow | what's up? |
| 14:42:07 | safetydan | adding the eq pregain setting |
| 14:42:11 | preglow | wooot |
| 14:42:20 | safetydan | I'll just add the values to the replay gain one |
| 14:42:27 | preglow | just be careful about overflow |
| 14:42:31 | safetydan | yeah |
| 14:42:49 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Central European Time'? |
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| 14:43:31 | JdGordon | silly q.. is there any way to disable tagcache? i think my mp3s arnt tagged well enough to bother with |
| 14:43:48 | dpro | Jungti1234: that's GMT+1 |
| 14:43:57 | Jungti1234 | ah.. |
| 14:44:13 | dpro | Jungti1234: paris, berlin, vienna etc ... |
| 14:44:29 | bobTHC | madrid |
| 14:44:36 | bobTHC | brussel |
| 14:44:52 | dpro | bobTHC: okok ;) |
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| 14:44:52 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Paprica |
| 14:45:12 | Jungti1234 | hi Paprica |
| 14:45:17 | Paprica | hi |
| 14:45:28 | Jungti1234 | then, Why don't use UTC? |
| 14:45:29 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 14:45:53 | Jungti1234 | same? |
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| 14:46:09 | JdGordon | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4929 ..? |
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| 14:46:45 | LinusN | JdGordon: i've seen it, but i haven't had time to work on it |
| 14:46:49 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 14:48:03 | bobTHC | GMT == UTC + temporal correction |
| 14:48:41 | JdGordon | does any1 know how to make a remote control for the irivers? apart from the actual connector, is it fairly simple? |
| 14:49:23 | Jungti1234 | bobTHC, dpro: Thanks :) |
| 14:49:23 | LinusN | no it isn't that simple, especially not the lcd |
| 14:49:36 | JdGordon | a non-lcd one of course.. |
| 14:49:51 | LinusN | that's not *that* hard |
| 14:50:14 | LinusN | it will probably be hard to find the connector |
| 14:50:46 | JdGordon | im thinking maybe hacking up an old pci card to get the connector.. but it looks like the gap might be too narrow |
| 14:51:01 | preglow | hell yes |
| 14:55:04 | Paprica | LinusN, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3036 |
| 14:55:30 | Paprica | could you commit it? |
| 14:55:38 | LinusN | you can |
| 14:55:46 | Paprica | i know, dont have a time =\ |
| 14:55:55 | Paprica | i'm learning to test =\ |
| 14:56:30 | LinusN | i don't have time either |
| 14:56:33 | LinusN | any takers? |
| 14:56:40 | XavierGr | Hmm CET? |
| 14:56:47 | safetydan | LinusN, Paprica, I'll commit it |
| 14:56:49 | XavierGr | Is there EET? |
| 14:56:54 | XavierGr | or WET :D |
| 14:56:56 | Paprica | safetydan, thanks |
| 14:57:01 | Bg3r | XavierGr EET is our ... |
| 14:57:08 | Bg3r | WET is GMT probably :) |
| 14:57:19 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 14:57:20 | B4gder | time zones names are fluent |
| 14:57:31 | Bg3r | GMT = GMT + 0; CET = GMT + 1; EET = GMT + 2 |
| 14:57:44 | linuxstb | So what timezone is central Europe in now? CEST? |
| 14:57:56 | B4gder | according to linux, yes |
| 14:58:00 | Jungti1234 | ;; |
| 14:58:01 | Bg3r | should be, + daylight ... |
| 14:58:30 | XavierGr | God with this Daylight thingy. I lost 1 hour of sleep!!! |
| 14:58:45 | Jungti1234 | Korea is GMT+9 |
| 14:59:06 | Bg3r | XavierGr haha yeah, but u got 1 hour more some months ago |
| 14:59:34 | XavierGr | indeed. I just nag about it when I am lazy |
| 14:59:59 | Cassandra | OK. My build host should now be coping with SDL properly. |
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| 15:00:12 | Jungti1234 | Korea <= ¡¾8 => Europe ? |
| 15:00:16 | B4gder | Cassandra: you checked your m68k gcc path too? |
| 15:00:37 | amiconn | preglow: Any news from the gcc guys? |
| 15:00:51 | Cassandra | Didn't know there was a problem, what's the arch? |
| 15:01:08 | B4gder | Cassandra: the path for m68k-elf-gcc seemed wrong |
| 15:01:46 | amiconn | Cassandra: See here: http://www.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=2006-03-26%2022%3A38%3A04&type=iAudio%20X5%20-%20Boot |
| 15:01:48 | safetydan | Paprica, done |
| 15:01:58 | Paprica | thanks |
| 15:02:40 | Jungti1234 | Paprica |
| 15:03:03 | Paprica | ? |
| 15:03:05 | Jungti1234 | that is only hebrew support? |
| 15:04:22 | safetydan | Another silly question. Why does apply_gain() in dsp.c do this? |
| 15:04:23 | safetydan | struct dsp_config *my_dsp = dsp; |
| 15:04:23 | safetydan | if (my_dsp->replaygain) |
| 15:04:30 | safetydan | Why create a temp pointer? |
| 15:04:35 | Paprica | Jungti1234, yep |
| 15:05:08 | Cassandra | Weird. The compiler was somewhere totally different to where I thought it was. |
| 15:06:18 | Cassandra | OK - looks good now. |
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| 15:06:38 | B4gder | ok, putting back m68k on your host |
| 15:06:54 | netcrusher88 | is there a way to change the zoom level in the picture viewing mode in the ipod 5g version? |
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| 15:07:25 | Cassandra | B4gder, you got that I can do SDL builds, right? |
| 15:07:30 | XavierGr | netcrusher88: currently no |
| 15:07:34 | B4gder | yes, I've put that back too |
| 15:07:48 | B4gder | you've got a full line now |
| 15:07:52 | PhR3aK | why do the daily builds not work on my x5? the cvs builds work... |
| 15:08:21 | Cassandra | It'd be handly if the build system had some way to report brokenness directly. |
| 15:08:21 | LinusN | PhR3aK: define "work" |
| 15:08:27 | netcrusher88 | why does it keep telling me that some jpg's are unsupported, is it certain color depths? |
| 15:08:35 | B4gder | Cassandra: yeah |
| 15:08:44 | PhR3aK | erm... the daily builds dont boot |
| 15:08:44 | webguest35 | netcrusher88: progressive jpegs probably |
| 15:09:01 | netcrusher88 | gotcha |
| 15:09:03 | LinusN | PhR3aK: what does the bootloader text say? |
| 15:09:07 | netcrusher88 | instead o interlace |
| 15:09:35 | PhR3aK | wait... i take a look |
| 15:10:18 | PhR3aK | something like model name: h120 |
| 15:10:19 | PhR3aK | sum: [some_hex] |
| 15:10:19 | PhR3aK | result: -5 |
| 15:10:56 | netcrusher88 | are there plans to add support of progressive jpgs in the future, just out of curiosity? |
| 15:11:04 | B4gder | netcrusher88: yes please |
| 15:11:08 | PhR3aK | maybee a silly question... but what is the diffrence between cvs builds and daily builds |
| 15:11:10 | Bg3r | netcrusher88 do it :) |
| 15:11:20 | linuxstb | Cassandra: It would be handy, but it's difficult to determine if a problem is due to errors in Rockbox, or errors in the build environment. |
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| 15:12:03 | netcrusher88 | lol wish i knew how |
| 15:12:18 | B4gder | you can always learn! |
| 15:12:25 | netcrusher88 | oh, i will |
| 15:12:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:12:34 | * | Cassandra thinks the distributed build system rocks greatly though. When I suggested it (no idea if I was the first to suggest it or not) I didn't seriously expect someone to implement it. |
| 15:12:37 | netcrusher88 | and i'll get my CS major friend to help out, maybe |
| 15:12:39 | linuxstb | PhR3aK: A daily build can be thought of as the last CVS build of the day. So it's slightly more likely to be stable than one built during a busy day's development. |
| 15:12:44 | LinusN | PhR3aK: when did you download that daily build? |
| 15:13:11 | netcrusher88 | can rockbox coexist with ipodlinux? |
| 15:13:28 | PhR3aK | ok... sry i think ive tried out an older one... i'll try the newest one... |
| 15:13:43 | Cassandra | netcrusher88, yes. Just use the ipodlinux bootloader. |
| 15:14:00 | netcrusher88 | okay |
| 15:14:05 | netcrusher88 | thanks everyone |
| 15:14:09 | PhR3aK | but sound doenst work anyway right? so nothing new about sound driver? |
| 15:14:25 | linuxstb | netcrusher88: Yes. If you have a working ipodlinux installation using ipodloader2, then it's easy to add Rockbox. But doing the ipl installation is the hard part at the moment. |
| 15:14:29 | LinusN | PhR3aK: no, that still doesn't work |
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| 15:15:36 | PhR3aK | ahh ok... it works... thx linus! |
| 15:15:44 | preglow | amiconn: the guy who said he'd have a look was moving last weekend, i'll start badgering him again in a couple of days |
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| 15:16:14 | PhR3aK | nice to see rockbox on my x5 :) |
| 15:16:17 | netcrusher88 | yeah, noticed that the ipl is the hard part, but i think i got it |
| 15:16:20 | netcrusher88 | thanks |
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| 15:17:26 | LinusN | PhR3aK: would be even nicer to hear it :-) |
| 15:17:57 | PhR3aK | yep right... any idea how long it will take untill sound works? |
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| 15:18:02 | B4gder | sound is just sooo overrated ;-) |
| 15:18:11 | LinusN | no, it all depends on how much time i get to work on it |
| 15:18:34 | LinusN | it shouldn't be that hard though |
| 15:19:01 | * | Moos sending to LinusN some free time :-) |
| 15:19:08 | LinusN | thx |
| 15:19:15 | Moos | :-) |
| 15:19:37 | LinusN | ehum, that is gratis, not free :-) |
| 15:19:56 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 15:19:57 | * | LinusN makes fun of free software nitpicks |
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| 15:20:19 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 15:21:06 | * | Moos is sending 100 000 euros instead ;-) |
| 15:21:35 | LinusN | much better |
| 15:21:45 | Moos | haha :D |
| 15:22:36 | * | ashridah sends LinusN large amounts of alcohol in an effort to sabotage rockbox |
| 15:22:48 | ashridah | <LinusN> *hic* |
| 15:22:58 | Moos | haha XD |
| 15:23:25 | ashridah | <LinusN> 10 print "Rockbox Rules" 20 goto 10 |
| 15:23:36 | LinusN | hic...gentllemenn, we have schound! |
| 15:24:01 | Moos | :D |
| 15:24:03 | Bg3r | :D |
| 15:24:10 | Bg3r | LinusN u can even more :P |
| 15:24:14 | Jungti1234 | :( |
| 15:24:32 | ashridah | * LinusN commits a whoppee cushion |
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| 15:25:31 | preglow | brbrb |
| 15:26:13 | Bg3r | seems preglow is on the cherry too |
| 15:26:18 | LinusN | /me does an "ooopsch" commit |
| 15:26:24 | * | Jungti1234 don't know meaning of the word... :( |
| 15:27:13 | * | Jungti1234 can't smile so. |
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| 15:28:05 | PhR3aK | is the battery status working on the x5? looks like it works... |
| 15:29:44 | amiconn | LinusN:^What are you sinking about? |
| 15:30:30 | diablogmp3 | hello |
| 15:30:34 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 15:30:57 | diablogmp3 | i have a question : will the cpu frequency changing on iPod be implemented soon ? |
| 15:31:40 | linuxstb | diablogmp3: It's already implemented for the Nano and 5g/video. It's causing problems on the 4g, and it's hard to say when those will be solved. |
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| 15:31:54 | diablogmp3 | ok thanks ! |
| 15:33:01 | diablogmp3 | we, french ipod users, love Rockbox so we are awaiting for every major changes on Rockbox |
| 15:33:49 | PhR3aK | i mean does the battery bar work... because the status of power handling is 10% |
| 15:33:56 | diablogmp3 | just few persons hesitate to install Rockbox because they consider that, for the moment, it's unstable... |
| 15:34:23 | safetydan | Is it better for dsp.c functions to be passed data or for them to grab data from global_settings? |
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| 15:36:13 | LinusN | amiconn: :-) |
| 15:38:21 | LinusN | Bagder: i'm wondering about your rec->play button switch in tree.h |
| 15:38:40 | LinusN | i thought we wanted rec to be the menu button |
| 15:40:07 | B4gder | I was pondering on using REC for stop... |
| 15:40:31 | B4gder | but my swap in there was just because as I wrote in the commit message |
| 15:40:34 | B4gder | I liked that way |
| 15:41:01 | LinusN | ok, i don't mind, but i think the Ondio way is better |
| 15:41:10 | B4gder | how is that? |
| 15:41:12 | LinusN | hold Play to stop |
| 15:41:25 | LinusN | short PLay = pause |
| 15:41:28 | LinusN | long play = stop |
| 15:41:31 | linuxstb | The ipods do exactly the same thing. |
| 15:41:32 | HuntermicAtWork | does we have sound on the X5? |
| 15:41:37 | LinusN | huntermic: no |
| 15:41:45 | Moos | Yes I use Ondio too, and this way is better imho |
| 15:41:48 | HuntermicAtWork | ow, ok |
| 15:42:45 | B4gder | I think if other targets do one way it makes sense to do the same |
| 15:43:00 | Moos | indeed |
| 15:43:21 | amiconn | LinusN: I wonder why you prefer the Ondio way. I can't say I like it. |
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| 15:43:46 | LinusN | because it is at least almost intuitive |
| 15:43:49 | amiconn | I would prefer modal operation. First press of Off would pause, second press Stop |
| 15:44:04 | LinusN | amiconn: what off button? |
| 15:44:05 | amiconn | When paused, Right (=play on Ondio) would unpause |
| 15:44:24 | LinusN | x5 has no off |
| 15:44:31 | LinusN | that's the whole point |
| 15:44:37 | amiconn | We would lose the ability to skip forward while paused, but imho it would be more intuitive |
| 15:45:09 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Your last commit (clear the lcd before shutdown) should apply to at least the Nano and 4g Color as well. I am also curious to know why white was chosen, and not black when clearing the screen. Doesn't that mean there is a flash of white before shutdown? |
| 15:45:13 | amiconn | LinusN: I know. Similarly, Ondio has no (designated) Play, and Right is taken in wps for skip / seek fwd |
| 15:45:49 | LinusN | amiconn: then i was wrong about the ondio way, and should have said the ipod way |
| 15:45:51 | amiconn | linuxstb, lostlogic: I'd rather switch off the lcd & backlight, like we do on other platforms |
| 15:46:11 | LinusN | for the targets without Stop, i think long-play is the best choice |
| 15:46:50 | amiconn | (to be precise, we don't switch off on H1x0 and archos, but rather set contrast to minimum which has the same effect) |
| 15:49:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: If you can point us in the direction of hardware documentation... The problem is that the lcd image fades out over the period of a couple of minutes when the ipods are put into standby mode. |
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| 15:51:36 | Jungti1234 | heh.. |
| 15:51:58 | PhR3aK | LinusN: Is the "off" button on the x5 currently set as something like a "back" button... because you can turn games off and so on with this botton |
| 15:52:37 | Jungti1234 | He left. |
| 15:52:41 | PhR3aK | thats pretty bad because if you hold this button too long the x5 turns off |
| 15:52:56 | PhR3aK | ok ^^ |
| 15:52:59 | Jungti1234 | ^^ |
| 15:53:14 | B4gder | PhR3aK: so don't hold it too long |
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| 15:53:31 | B4gder | most players have the same thing |
| 15:53:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is the lcd controller part of the PP, or is it separate? |
| 15:54:10 | linuxstb | I believe it's separate. |
| 15:54:30 | linuxstb | But on the 5g it's accessed via the Broadcom chip. |
| 15:54:39 | linuxstb | s/it's/the lcd/ |
| 15:55:19 | linuxstb | But it should be possible to track down the lcd controller datasheets for the earlier ipods. |
| 15:57:49 | Spida | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VKeyboardDesignProposal <- hm, I have seen a different (but interesting) idea for designing methods to enter characters with a limited amount of keys. Each key chose between a subset of charcters that gets smaller on each keypress. like a menu/submenu-system where ich menu is limited to the number of physical keys. |
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| 16:00:15 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
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| 16:00:51 | godzirra | hiya folks. |
| 16:01:03 | webguest35 | Someone port dasher to rockbox! |
| 16:01:06 | godzirra | Was just curious if anyone else using the ipod version of rockbox has trouble with a wall adapter to charge a 5th gen? |
| 16:01:19 | webguest35 | Dasher being http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ |
| 16:01:20 | godzirra | Everytime I plug it in, it reboots in a continous loop until I unplug it. |
| 16:01:27 | webguest35 | (text-input method) |
| 16:02:04 | lostlogic | linuxstb: preglow: either of you have the datasheet that is 'similar' to the 8758 handy? |
| 16:02:38 | godzirra | I'm guessing not a whole lot of ipod rockbox users alive yet? |
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| 16:03:38 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yes, there is a white flash on shutdown, I dunno why white instead of black, either one will cause a flash, I guess black would be less intrusive |
| 16:05:03 | spongeboy | hey, i'm new to this and have a nice easy question - what does the function led(0) and led(1) do? |
| 16:05:58 | spongeboy | ahhh... |
| 16:06:02 | spongeboy | got |
| 16:06:24 | spongeboy | it. Looking at metronome.c and its defined at the top of the file.... |
| 16:07:18 | spongeboy | guessing it turns on a led (duh!) for SH7034 players. |
| 16:08:21 | spongeboy | Just want to say thanks for the good work everyone. i'm really enjoying rockbox, keep up the good hacking. |
| 16:09:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb: is there a way to set the LCD to its solid color background instead of its backdrop background (like lcd_clear_display, but)? |
| 16:10:05 | godzirra | Anyone know if Ipod rockbox is any closer to displaying covers from the id3 tags? |
| 16:10:19 | Mikachu | i don't think it's a wanted feature |
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| 16:10:33 | Mikachu | that's the impression i got from watching discussions at least |
| 16:10:52 | godzirra | Hrm. I wonder how come? People would rather have it loaded as a seperate bmp? |
| 16:11:08 | tucoz | Is it ok if I commit this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4921 (looks nice in the sim at least) |
| 16:11:10 | godzirra | Its a feature I'd want... you could use it or not use it based on the wps file. Would be the ideal thing for me anyways. :) |
| 16:11:23 | Mikachu | well, it seems silly to have the jpg in every file in an album |
| 16:11:43 | Mikachu | and bmp are faster to decode |
| 16:12:03 | godzirra | Yeah.. I suppose thats true. |
| 16:12:03 | amiconn | lostlogic: Remove the backdrop, then lcd_clear_display(); |
| 16:12:06 | Zagor | tucoz: can't see why not |
| 16:12:16 | tucoz | Zagor, ok. I'll do it then |
| 16:12:25 | lostlogic | amiconn: yep, that's what I just did |
| 16:12:36 | lostlogic | ;) |
| 16:12:38 | godzirra | Mikachu: My main problem is that I have covers in every album because thats the way my media tagger has 'em, and I don't have a script to go through and pull covers out into bmp files. ;) |
| 16:12:46 | Mikachu | is lcd_clear_display() faster than just memsetting the framebuffer to some value? |
| 16:13:12 | Mikachu | godzirra: shouldn't be too hard though |
| 16:13:23 | webguest35 | You can put bmp in id3 as well, if you're so inclined |
| 16:13:33 | godzirra | webguest35: Right, but rockbox doesnt read the imge from id3. |
| 16:13:40 | linuxstb | lostlogic: The datasheet we used for the 5g's audio codec is the WM8983 - you can easily find it on the Wolfson website. |
| 16:13:41 | godzirra | Mikachu: how? perl? |
| 16:13:59 | webguest35 | godzirra: No, but mikachu was using bmp as an argument against using the id3tag |
| 16:14:08 | godzirra | webguest35: Ah. |
| 16:14:17 | Mikachu | i don't think bmp in id3 is a standard, but don't know |
| 16:14:26 | Mikachu | godzirra: shouldn't be too hard in linux :P |
| 16:14:43 | godzirra | Yeah.. I just don't have linux setup to connect to my ipod. ;p |
| 16:14:43 | Mikachu | all you need is a program that extracts the jpgs in a semi-automated fashion |
| 16:14:51 | Mikachu | that's trivial |
| 16:14:54 | godzirra | Yeah, I know. |
| 16:15:16 | godzirra | I still think reading frmo an id3 tag should be an option though. ;) |
| 16:15:18 | webguest35 | Mikachu: You can put any file you want, the mime-type is part of the frame |
| 16:15:25 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 16:15:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb: thanks −− any idea why all the bitshifting and weird is done in the wmcodec_send()? |
| 16:15:40 | Mikachu | i don't know if jpeg decoding in the core is wanted |
| 16:15:45 | webguest35 | So you could put image/gif if you wanted |
| 16:16:01 | Mikachu | or if the wps should load some code into plugin mem or something (eventually) |
| 16:16:28 | linuxstb | lostlogic: You send a 16-bit value down the I2C bus to the codec. The top 7 bits are the register address, and the bottom 9 bits are the data. |
| 16:16:48 | linuxstb | It's explained in the datasheet IIRC. |
| 16:17:07 | webguest35 | The "type" field of the APIC frame is interesting.. you can set type to things like "Cover (front)", "Composer" etc.. and then "A Bright coloured fish" |
| 16:17:23 | Mikachu | can you have several apic frames thne? |
| 16:17:28 | webguest35 | Yes |
| 16:17:33 | webguest35 | But only one of each type |
| 16:17:51 | lostlogic | linuxstb: gotcha, thanks. I'm going to abuse it in the hope of eliminating popping on volume change (only audible at higher volume levels) |
| 16:17:53 | Mikachu | can type be arbitrary or a predefined set? |
| 16:18:01 | webguest35 | It's a predefined set. |
| 16:18:13 | webguest35 | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt section 4.14 |
| 16:18:14 | Paprica | someone could help me with VMware? |
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| 16:19:06 | webguest35 | Man, if you used all frames of id3v2 you could practically convert it to a full website about that song |
| 16:19:29 | Mikachu | i don't think i understand a bright coloured fish, why would you put a joke in a standard? |
| 16:20:14 | webguest35 | I guess they just did. |
| 16:20:25 | webguest35 | It's not like it matters, there are 255 values to chose from |
| 16:26:16 | dpro | hmmm ... bmp2rb doesn't seem to work like it says in the usage statement ... |
| 16:26:54 | Cassandra | Mikachu, because they're terribly dry reading. |
| 16:27:04 | dpro | I just try "bmp2rm -f 5 -i mypic -h . " now what's wrong with that ? |
| 16:27:30 | dpro | yes there is a mypic.bmp ;) |
| 16:27:50 | Cassandra | You'd also really hate RFC1149. |
| 16:28:15 | webguest35 | Heh |
| 16:28:52 | Cassandra | RFC1149 is the internet standard for IP over avian carrier. |
| 16:29:02 | Cassandra | Go look it up if you're interested. |
| 16:29:02 | bobTHC | avian carrier ? |
| 16:29:15 | dpro | Cassandra: hehe good one has even been implemented twice |
| 16:29:41 | preglow | does most colour displays even have a contrast setting? |
| 16:29:41 | Cassandra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers |
| 16:29:43 | dpro | Cassandra: I think once somewhere in israel and then again in bergen |
| 16:29:48 | bobTHC | pigeon , |
| 16:29:49 | bobTHC | ? |
| 16:29:53 | Cassandra | dpro: Indeed. |
| 16:29:53 | bobTHC | :)) |
| 16:30:14 | bobTHC | lol |
| 16:30:34 | Cassandra | All you youngsters, missing out on some of the best jokes on the Net. |
| 16:30:36 | dpro | there are lots of excellent april 1st rfcs aroung ;) |
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| 16:30:43 | dpro | s/aroung/around/ |
| 16:30:54 | Kyomi | Hey.. anyone know where to get that H320 optimized build of RB? |
| 16:30:55 | Cassandra | (although to be fair the RFC predates my presence on the net by about 2 years. |
| 16:31:06 | preglow | Kyomi: it's capped the experimental build now |
| 16:31:11 | preglow | called |
| 16:31:16 | Kyomi | Ahhh |
| 16:31:19 | preglow | Kyomi: and i think the place to find it is in the misticriver forums |
| 16:31:25 | * | Kyomi searches on misticriver somemore |
| 16:31:35 | dpro | so back to my question what's wrong with my bmp2rb syntax ? |
| 16:31:37 | Kyomi | Hehe.. I was a member of that even before I saw rockbox :) |
| 16:32:05 | dpro | ahhh |
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| 16:32:29 | Cassandra | dpro: Not the foggiest. If I knew, I'd have answered you. |
| 16:32:35 | dpro | ic |
| 16:35:22 | Kyomi | I've heard that RB 3.0 might include the Doom plugin |
| 16:35:56 | linuxstb | dpro: I think you also need "mypic.bmp" at the end of the command-line. |
| 16:36:02 | amiconn | dpro: You didn't give it a filename... |
| 16:36:37 | dpro | ah cheers |
| 16:36:49 | amiconn | The -i option is only used (and necessary) for changing the logical name of the bitmap in the generated source |
| 16:36:52 | dpro | amiconn: looks much better now |
| 16:37:00 | dpro | amiconn: ic |
| 16:37:13 | amiconn | If you have mypic.bmp and want it to be called mypic, there's no need for -i |
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| 16:42:28 | Kyomi | Would there be any reason to upgrade to the experimental build? |
| 16:42:59 | preglow | Kyomi: well, review the feature list and see |
| 16:43:13 | preglow | Kyomi: the experimental builds grows smaller as we commit patches, and it's kinda hard to keep track what new ones come |
| 16:43:33 | | Part spongeboy |
| 16:43:38 | Kyomi | I've just found where to get it.. nothing on where to see what is in it |
| 16:45:41 | linuxstb | Kyomi: I think there are two major (for some users) features only in the experimental build - scroll margins and album art. Plus Doom, but I'm hoping to commit that to CVS tonight. |
| 16:46:42 | Kyomi | ooo |
| 16:46:44 | Kyomi | Doom ^^ |
| 16:46:46 | Kyomi | Does it work? |
| 16:46:54 | Kyomi | At least somewhat? |
| 16:47:33 | Kyomi | Although.. I tried installing it earlier |
| 16:47:46 | Kyomi | And when it rebooted itself the audio didn't paly |
| 16:47:53 | Kyomi | Then I reverted back the the daily build |
| 16:48:04 | Kyomi | And then had to shutdown/restart to get the audio back |
| 16:48:29 | Kyomi | I'm guessing the installation is the same? Copy/paste/reboot? |
| 16:48:44 | Kyomi | Or does the games folder go in a different place |
| 16:49:19 | safetydan | preglow, would you rather data be passed to functions in dsp.c or have the dsp functions pull data from global_settings? |
| 16:49:23 | linuxstb | IIRC, you need a /games/doom/ folder, with prboom.wad plus whichever wads you want to play. |
| 16:49:38 | Kyomi | omg |
| 16:49:48 | Kyomi | You mean I could take the wad from the original? |
| 16:49:55 | Kyomi | Or hexen/heretic wad? |
| 16:50:05 | linuxstb | Yes - I believe it can handle a lot of different wads. |
| 16:50:08 | amiconn | B4gder: Does the build system already use post-build transfer? |
| 16:50:09 | Kyomi | oooo |
| 16:50:18 | B4gder | amiconn: nope |
| 16:50:31 | B4gder | amiconn: but we now have pretty detailed logs for each build |
| 16:50:34 | Kyomi | linuxstb: Despite the obvious innuendo of that statment... I need to get that going :) |
| 16:50:44 | Kyomi | Too bad I have to wait another 2 hours >_< |
| 16:50:53 | Kyomi | I have class coming up in 10 mins |
| 16:50:55 | B4gder | and it shows the transfers to not use a very significant time |
| 16:50:57 | amiconn | When thinking about it, post-build transfer requires separate handling of the bleeding edge downloads |
| 16:51:05 | B4gder | why? |
| 16:51:32 | amiconn | ...because bleeding adge builds wouldn't be available immediately after the build round ends |
| 16:51:32 | B4gder | they are already popping in when the builds are done |
| 16:51:45 | B4gder | they would just pop in slightly later |
| 16:52:04 | amiconn | Yes, but I can imagine impatient people downloading too early, and getting the previous bleeding edge |
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| 16:52:34 | B4gder | right now I believe we remove the previous ones when a build round starts |
| 16:53:00 | Mikachu | lostlogic: shouldn't something like middle gray be the best to clear to? though my knowledge of lcds is pretty limited |
| 16:54:04 | Kyomi | Sooo... theoretically... Doom should work? |
| 16:54:27 | Cassandra | B4gder, is my server working OK now? |
| 16:54:50 | Cassandra | (Would be handy if you could link the build times on the by machine table to the builds themselves.) |
| 16:55:10 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yes, most likely |
| 16:55:18 | B4gder | seems to be working fine, and yeah I'll work on getting those times link to the actual builds |
| 16:55:21 | lostlogic | Mikachu: that's about what my background is set to and it looks dandy :) |
| 16:55:34 | Kyomi | crap |
| 16:55:42 | Kyomi | I need to get my doom wad quickly |
| 16:55:42 | Cassandra | Thanks. That way we can at least easily find broken builds. |
| 16:55:57 | Cassandra | (Maybe colour the link according to build status too.) |
| 16:56:02 | B4gder | I'll also link to the master build log |
| 16:56:09 | B4gder | for each build |
| 16:56:15 | Cassandra | Good plan |
| 16:57:10 | * | Cassandra wonders why the titles on the cvs build table insist on reloading each time I access the page. |
| 16:57:18 | * | amiconn wonders what server uses that strange, ever-changing hostname |
| 16:57:20 | Mikachu | lostlogic: so maybe it should be set to that before shutdown? |
| 16:57:32 | Cassandra | It takes about three seconds to display the build table. |
| 16:57:43 | amiconn | Sometimes it's called 'arm', now it seems to be called 'sdl', ... |
| 16:57:55 | Kyomi | Sooo |
| 16:57:59 | Kyomi | How does this work? |
| 16:58:13 | Kyomi | You just slap the wad files in there and it'll let you select which one? |
| 16:58:21 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 16:58:33 | Kyomi | Wolfenstein 3d doesn't have a wad... I dont think |
| 16:58:50 | B4gder | amiconn: yeah, its a flaw in the "retry build on a different host" logic |
| 16:58:58 | webguest35 | Cassandra: That is indeed strange - the files send a perfectly valid Last-modified (which is in the past) |
| 16:59:15 | Cassandra | Hmmm. My box didn't show on the last build run. What gives? |
| 16:59:45 | Cassandra | webguest35, could just be delay in the renderer, I suppose. |
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| 17:01:28 | Cassandra | I am such a geek. I just bought my sister a DIMM for her birthday. |
| 17:01:36 | bobTHC | lol |
| 17:01:41 | amiconn | B4gder: I should probably put my voice generation scripts in cvs, in a sub-dir below tools/ |
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| 17:01:59 | B4gder | ok, I've now added a link to "buildmaster log" on each server stats page |
| 17:02:04 | B4gder | amiconn: a good idea |
| 17:02:08 | Cassandra | amicon: Talkbox? Sounds like a good idea. |
| 17:02:29 | Cassandra | I think you should change its name to Rocktalk though. |
| 17:02:30 | amiconn | I should also probably try to handle SAPI with activestate perl, this way I'd have less problems with the v2 conversion |
| 17:02:31 | B4gder | the log is somewhat crude |
| 17:02:37 | B4gder | but still a log |
| 17:02:41 | amiconn | (but more problems understanding the logic myself :/ ) |
| 17:03:37 | amiconn | Cassandra: I mean MakeVoices.vbs, voicefont.c and wavtrim.c |
| 17:04:08 | Kyomi | Oh my god |
| 17:04:11 | Mikachu | please don't put .vbs in cvs, i would have to buy a new harddrive if i accidentally downloaded it |
| 17:04:12 | Kyomi | This is awesome |
| 17:04:34 | Kyomi | How can I switch games though? |
| 17:04:34 | amiconn | Mikachu ??? |
| 17:04:41 | Kyomi | I have doom2 heretic and hexen wad in there |
| 17:04:48 | Mikachu | nevermind me, i just don't like vbscript |
| 17:04:55 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I tend to prefer setting it to the user's background color as that should be less of a flashy change before shutdown, where setting to a particular color could be a large change from their chosen background. |
| 17:05:15 | Mikachu | lostlogic: well it should flash to the color that stays after the lcd is shut down |
| 17:05:54 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Looks like the build system failed to retreive the buildlog from byzantium. |
| 17:06:00 | Mikachu | lostlogic: that should be less of a statement and more of a question |
| 17:06:05 | Cassandra | Can't see why. It's here on the server OK. |
| 17:06:32 | lostlogic | Mikachu: the original patch did that −− flashed white, but it was fugly... maybe I should flash it white after the backlight goes off. |
| 17:06:34 | Kyomi | God thats annyoing |
| 17:06:35 | Cassandra | amiconn, oh right. Yes. Them too. |
| 17:06:42 | Kyomi | The forward button should be forward |
| 17:07:02 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 17:07:14 | Kyomi | The music doesn't work in this version? |
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| 17:08:30 | preglow | mno, don't think so |
| 17:08:43 | linuxstb | Kyomi: No, the music has never worked in Doom on Rockbox. The sound effects should work though. |
| 17:09:07 | Kyomi | How do you open doors? |
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| 17:09:17 | Cassandra | I think if the cat wants to go out in the rain it really shouldn't dry off near me. |
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| 17:09:30 | Kyomi | open doors/press buttons |
| 17:10:22 | linuxstb | I don't know. |
| 17:10:44 | Kyomi | Do you know how to switch wad files? |
| 17:10:50 | Kyomi | I have doom heretic and hexen |
| 17:11:25 | Kyomi | And there are two music sliders... one for the music I guess and the other for sfx |
| 17:11:25 | Mikachu | they aren't doom |
| 17:11:28 | linuxstb | No - I've only ever tried it with a single wad. |
| 17:11:29 | Kyomi | I'm guesing they already know that |
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| 17:11:41 | Kyomi | I you can only do doom wad files? |
| 17:11:45 | Mikachu | heretic and hexen used other engines |
| 17:11:55 | Kyomi | argh |
| 17:12:04 | Kyomi | oh well.. doom is fun; ) |
| 17:12:13 | Kyomi | Now I just need to find a way for cheat codes :) |
| 17:12:22 | Mikachu | do you compile from source? |
| 17:13:48 | Kyomi | argh.. no strafe... looks like no rocket launcher on first level :( |
| 17:13:53 | dpro | 'struct plugin_api' has no member named 'lcd_invertrect' |
| 17:13:54 | dpro | huh ? |
| 17:14:08 | Mikachu | Kyomi: do you need the strafe to jump to the thing? |
| 17:14:15 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 17:14:19 | amiconn | dpro: You're trying to apply a patch from the stone-age... |
| 17:14:21 | Kyomi | no wait |
| 17:14:26 | Kyomi | run XD |
| 17:14:32 | Kyomi | I need run to jump on the vent |
| 17:14:36 | Kyomi | Or walk fast or something |
| 17:14:42 | Mikachu | doesn't he run by default? |
| 17:14:45 | Kyomi | Strafe would be VERY useful |
| 17:14:46 | dpro | no I'm trying to write sth. and I do what the docs say ;9;2~) |
| 17:14:47 | Kyomi | nope |
| 17:15:04 | amiconn | dpro: Which docs? |
| 17:15:26 | Kyomi | I keep falling short of the vent |
| 17:15:36 | amiconn | Regarding gfx, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI should contain all you need |
| 17:15:44 | dpro | rockbox/docs/PLUGIN_API |
| 17:16:01 | amiconn | Ah that one. It's way out of date... |
| 17:16:06 | dpro | amiconn: ah cheers ... |
| 17:16:23 | Kyomi | Hmm |
| 17:16:31 | Kyomi | It'd be wonderful if navi was fire |
| 17:16:37 | Kyomi | rec was change weapons |
| 17:16:42 | Kyomi | a-b was open stuff |
| 17:17:07 | Kyomi | And + was actually move forward |
| 17:18:18 | Kyomi | Now only if I could warp to lvl 31 to test how this thing REALLY wors |
| 17:18:20 | Kyomi | ks* |
| 17:20:24 | Kyomi | Holy mother of god is this hard |
| 17:21:30 | dpro | nice |
| 17:21:30 | dpro | ok so does this automatically get added to the plugins menu or do I have to do something to actually see it ? |
| 17:21:30 | * | dpro thought he'd rather ask before make.zip ;) |
| 17:22:39 | Mikachu | the plugins menu is just the filebrowser in /.rockbox/rocks |
| 17:22:51 | dpro | ah I guess I should add it to apps/plugin.c |
| 17:22:59 | dpro | Mikachu: ah ok then |
| 17:23:05 | B4gder | and if you put the plugin in the regular plugin dir and built it so, it'll be put on the proper place with make zip |
| 17:23:27 | Kyomi | You know... I'd love to have a strafe left/right |
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| 17:23:40 | Mikachu | Kyomi: i think you have made that point clear :) |
| 17:23:43 | Kyomi | Is there a way someone could code that like... quickly? ^^; |
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| 17:23:57 | dpro | the moment of truth ... |
| 17:24:11 | Kyomi | I mean dont get me wrong |
| 17:24:19 | Kyomi | It's AWESOME they did all the work for it :) |
| 17:24:30 | Kyomi | Do you think they would ever get the music working? |
| 17:24:40 | Kyomi | Or maybe allow a music.. menu in it |
| 17:24:42 | preglow | perhaps |
| 17:24:44 | preglow | it's ordinary midi |
| 17:24:45 | dpro | sync && umount /ipod # let's see |
| 17:24:55 | Kyomi | Say... get all of the music from it.. convert to ogg/mp3 |
| 17:25:04 | Kyomi | Then make a playlist |
| 17:25:07 | Mikachu | i think doom uses the iram so it stops the playback |
| 17:25:14 | preglow | that'd probably take more cpu than playing midi |
| 17:25:22 | Kyomi | And just have the music repeat for the current level |
| 17:26:55 | dpro | well almost ... just the invert part doesn't seem to work the way I expected ... |
| 17:27:06 | Mikachu | dpro: what are you making? |
| 17:27:27 | dpro | mikachu: nothing just trying to get a picture to flash invert/normal mode |
| 17:27:31 | Kyomi | Yeah ummm... |
| 17:27:37 | Mikachu | ah |
| 17:27:42 | Kyomi | You wont be able to get past level 2 without running |
| 17:27:52 | Kyomi | You need to run to get into that "fortress" |
| 17:27:57 | Kyomi | to get the red keycard |
| 17:28:16 | Mikachu | shouldn't that just be int_16 | 0xffffffff for every pixel? |
| 17:28:46 | Mikachu | disclaimer, that may not be the right number of fs |
| 17:28:48 | Kyomi | Thats... odd |
| 17:28:58 | Kyomi | Mouse Sensitivity is gamma level |
| 17:30:17 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 17:30:32 | Kyomi | So theres no way I'm going to get hexen or heretic to work... right? |
| 17:30:39 | Mikachu | not with doom |
| 17:30:48 | Kyomi | not even with that zdoom thing |
| 17:30:48 | Kyomi | ? |
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| 17:30:59 | Mikachu | if you feel like porting zdoom to rockbox |
| 17:31:14 | Kyomi | lol |
| 17:31:19 | Kyomi | I dont even know how to port |
| 17:33:30 | Kyomi | But do you think heretic/hexen is beyond the scope of the h320? |
| 17:36:38 | Cassandra | Seems unlikely. |
| 17:36:57 | Kyomi | That it would run? or not |
| 17:36:58 | Kyomi | ? |
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| 17:46:38 | preglow | same engine, no? |
| 17:46:47 | Mikachu | hexen is definitely not the same engine as doom |
| 17:46:53 | * | preglow retracts |
| 17:46:54 | Mikachu | it has scriptable events and whatnot |
| 17:47:04 | preglow | never was a big hexen fan |
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| 17:49:11 | Kyomi | How about Heretic? |
| 17:49:21 | Kyomi | I just liked hexen for the weapons :) |
| 17:49:46 | Kyomi | I'd bet Hexen would run noticably slower though.. if it ever did get converted |
| 17:50:04 | Kyomi | Now... Only if I knew how to port... I'd get Wolfenstein 3D on here :) |
| 17:53:28 | preglow | that should run fast as hell |
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| 17:57:30 | lostlogic | Am I correct that the minimum settable volume level for a device should be one lower than the minimum non-mute level available? |
| 17:57:56 | Mikachu | so that the minimum volume level is muted? that seems logical to me at least |
| 17:58:14 | lostlogic | making some math corrections in sound.c for ipoops if this is correct. |
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| 18:04:22 | preglow | lostlogic: afaik, that's usually correct |
| 18:05:59 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, The idoom port used the packed_attribute in some areas of the code also. I was reading a faq that seemed to indicate that that attribute is ok to use on the arm compiler http://www.aleph1.co.uk/?q=node/294&PHPSESSID=9d54f95e2895c64f14f1e93413b15fc0 |
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| 18:07:52 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I think a proper malloc would be nice, doom has a full malloc which made life alot easier. The code could be reused also as it should be pretty fast. I don't think it's the most memory efficient, but its focus is on speed. |
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| 18:08:09 | preglow | kkurbjun: we've already got a malloc ready for use |
| 18:08:27 | preglow | http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/dbestfit/ |
| 18:09:30 | preglow | kkurbjun: why would you need fast malloc anyway? using a malloc where you need speed isn't very clever |
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| 18:11:27 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: What's the current status of Doom now? If we ignore the ipod/alignment problems, is it working OK? |
| 18:11:28 | kkurbjun | preglow, doom uses alot of it's own malloc calls in game. Having the malloc will be nice for other ports though. |
| 18:11:56 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, yes, it's working great, I need to clean up my current code and make a release of that |
| 18:12:35 | linuxstb | OK. I'll wait for that, and then look at trying to commit it. After it's committed, I'll try and solve the ipod problems. |
| 18:12:58 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, sounds good |
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| 18:13:48 | dpro | hmm if I set the backlight timeout to never in my plugin will I have to manually reset it to the value in user_settings or will the menu code take care of that ? |
| 18:13:57 | Mikachu | you have to reset it |
| 18:14:03 | dpro | k thx |
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| 18:14:53 | kkurbjun | preglow, I know malloc is traditionally very slow, the best fit algorithm would be much more efficient with memory. The zone allocator could end up badly fragmented depending on how it's used. |
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| 18:15:37 | kkurbjun | the best fit seems like it would be a much better canidate for inclusion |
| 18:16:49 | dpro | now this whole thing really starts to become fun - I guess the hassle starts once I consider writing /portable/ code with all them dreaded #ifdefs ;) |
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| 18:17:58 | dpro | anyone wrote some pcm player / mixer for ipod for a little drummachine or looper thing ? |
| 18:20:04 | preglow | someone did it for h1x0 |
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| 18:22:33 | webguest35 | Whatever happened to that? Was a nifty little toy |
| 18:22:41 | preglow | dunno |
| 18:22:44 | preglow | lost interest, i'd wager |
| 18:23:10 | webguest35 | There should be rules against that |
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| 18:33:08 | nls | good evening folks |
| 18:33:24 | rob- | m |
| 18:33:43 | rob- | sorry, ignore that m |
| 18:33:49 | nls | ok :) |
| 18:34:47 | nls | I'm about to commit BatteryBenchmark plugin page for the manual and wondered if we should ask people to submit results to the wiki |
| 18:34:57 | nls | like http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 18:35:14 | nls | but make it multi target or something |
| 18:35:51 | nls | BatteryRuntime maybe? |
| 18:36:06 | webguest35 | You could just make an index page |
| 18:36:14 | webguest35 | there's also IpodRuntime afaik |
| 18:36:27 | nls | hmm |
| 18:36:36 | webguest35 | So BatteryRuntime with links to IriverRuntime and IpodRuntime sounds good? |
| 18:36:57 | webguest35 | And move generic description from those two pages to BatteryRuntime? |
| 18:37:13 | nls | yep sounds nice, wanna do it? |
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| 18:38:38 | webguest35 | not registred too lazy etc. :-s |
| 18:39:04 | nls | I'll look into it then.. |
| 18:43:06 | bobTHC | amiconn u forgot to change the version to 2.5 in the archos FAQ ;) |
| 18:43:09 | * | amiconn wonders why it's necessary to use special tricks for reducing clicks resulting from volume changes on newer targets |
| 18:43:55 | amiconn | The audiocodec part of the MAS does that automatically. Just set a new volume, the MAS will softly ramp up/down internally |
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| 18:45:40 | preglow | amiconn: that's software based |
| 18:46:00 | preglow | you'll seldom see something like that managed in hardware |
| 18:46:03 | amiconn | bobTHC: Feel free to correct that. I just wanted to change the answer regarding PCM, didn't check whether other answers are outdated |
| 18:46:27 | bobTHC | i know mate, just kiddin' ; |
| 18:46:30 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm? How could that be software based |
| 18:46:37 | preglow | i can code something exactly like that for swcodec platforms too, but do we really want to waste time/cpu on that? |
| 18:46:42 | preglow | amiconn: i figured the decoder did it? |
| 18:46:49 | preglow | amiconn: since that'd be pretty logical |
| 18:46:53 | amiconn | The volume ramping is done in the audiocodec part, not the DSP |
| 18:47:07 | preglow | ok |
| 18:47:07 | amiconn | It even works with the DSP part disabled |
| 18:50:41 | preglow | but no |
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| 18:50:52 | preglow | audio quality isn't the first priority for these people, it seems |
| 18:51:35 | amiconn | Got the same impression |
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| 18:52:10 | preglow | i'm eager to see how the quality of the eq in the 5g audio chip is |
| 18:52:20 | amiconn | ANother example is that the UDA1380 seems to have a lower S/N ratio than the MAS' DAC |
| 18:52:31 | preglow | it's got a five band one, pretty much like eq.c, but with coarse, fixed parameter step |
| 18:52:34 | preglow | s |
| 18:52:44 | preglow | linuxstb: you tried using it yet, btw? |
| 18:52:58 | preglow | the eq part in the nano sucks ass |
| 18:53:05 | preglow | it's so incredibly crappy i want to cry |
| 18:53:43 | amiconn | Quite noticeable hiss with my earphones, even at rather low volume settings |
| 18:54:46 | * | amiconn is curious how the iPod DAC compares to both UDA1380 and MAS |
| 18:55:57 | preglow | probably unfavourably |
| 18:56:08 | preglow | god knows |
| 18:56:20 | preglow | the earphones i'm using now are so crappy it's a miracle i can hear anything |
| 18:56:41 | amiconn | The UDA also hass significantly worse crosstalk attenuation than the MAS |
| 18:56:47 | bobTHC | idiotphiles knows |
| 18:56:49 | amiconn | (at least the headphone amp) |
| 18:57:00 | amiconn | s/hass/has/ |
| 18:59:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: There are 3 or 4 different DACs used in the iPods. The 5g seems to be regarded as the best sounding, and the 4g is supposed to have a noisy headphone out, a problem fixed if you use the line-out. Not sure about the minis. |
| 18:59:44 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I haven't tried the 5g's EQ yet. |
| 18:59:54 | amiconn | I'll soon see myself... |
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| 19:00:03 | dpassen2 | The Shuffle supposedly has the best sound of them all, though it is an entirely different chipset. |
| 19:00:03 | amiconn | (or rather, hear) |
| 19:01:08 | linuxstb | You'll have to finish the Rockbox port first though... The mini uses the same DAC as the 3g - and audio isn't working there yet. But it should just be a case of bug-hunting - it's implemented, but not working. |
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| 19:02:59 | * | linuxstb wonders if slimx will return |
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| 19:05:18 | tucoz | linuxstb, could you perhaps call for help with the 3g over at ipodlinux? |
| 19:05:28 | tucoz | or maybe you have |
| 19:05:39 | preglow | there's no hurry... |
| 19:05:50 | preglow | codecs will probably be a nightmare on it, so just lets drop the entire port |
| 19:05:58 | preglow | ok, that's settled then |
| 19:06:01 | tucoz | slower processor? |
| 19:06:01 | linuxstb | hehe. |
| 19:06:06 | * | bobTHC wonders how they made to compare DACs, double blind ?, datasheets specs ? direction of the wind ? size of the cptain beard ? |
| 19:06:38 | amiconn | preglow: Clock up to 90MHz instead of just 75... |
| 19:06:38 | linuxstb | bobTHC: The last two are the most likely. You don't want science getting in the way. |
| 19:06:49 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think pp5002 goes much higher than 75 |
| 19:07:07 | linuxstb | We could start using the second core... |
| 19:07:08 | amiconn | The PP5002 factsheet says 90MHz |
| 19:07:29 | amiconn | ...and the PP5020 factsheet says 80MHz |
| 19:07:30 | preglow | myes it does |
| 19:07:36 | linuxstb | I think the IPL people have said they had heat problems over 75MHz. I could be wrong though... |
| 19:07:47 | preglow | i say we just stick to 75 mhz |
| 19:07:48 | amiconn | That might be |
| 19:08:00 | preglow | solve our problems in other ways |
| 19:08:07 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, we could start using the second core |
| 19:08:10 | bobTHC | linuxstb > ;) |
| 19:08:14 | amiconn | ...like the irivers have problems above ~120MHz while the CPU itself is specced 140MHz |
| 19:08:20 | preglow | but before we start working on that, i want to do some tests to see if iram is in fact useless |
| 19:09:20 | amiconn | Perhaps IRAM has some extra settings? |
| 19:09:30 | preglow | perhaps, but i can't imagine why that should be |
| 19:09:31 | amiconn | </wildguessing> |
| 19:09:37 | preglow | sram is sram |
| 19:10:11 | preglow | btw, i need to move the clickwheel piezo ticking out of firmware/ altogether if i want it to be an option |
| 19:10:25 | amiconn | why? |
| 19:10:41 | preglow | amiconn: becase firmware/ code can't check with apps/ code to see if the setting is on? |
| 19:10:48 | amiconn | There are numerous things in firmware/ controlled by options |
| 19:10:51 | preglow | amiconn: or should i just add another button.c function to switch it on and off? |
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| 19:11:05 | amiconn | No, the app code would need to apply that setting, via a function |
| 19:11:10 | preglow | yes, ok |
| 19:11:13 | preglow | i'll just do that, then |
| 19:11:24 | amiconn | Same way as sound.c, backlight.c, ... work |
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| 19:15:21 | biffhero | someone wanted a test on iPod 5G for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 (pause playback on headphone remove) |
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| 19:16:28 | nls | will databox and searchengine plugins be useable with tagcache |
| 19:16:49 | obo | biffhero: it wasn't me, but I'm interested to hear what you think |
| 19:18:27 | preglow | linuxstb: you know if we currently power down any of the parts in the codecs we don't use? |
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| 19:19:13 | biffhero | obo: there was some question as to the design. Someone thought that retailOS paused on unplug, and re-started on plug-in. I verified that it did not do that on my 5G, but it paused on unplug, and _if the LCD had shut down, not just turned off the light_ it would turn on the light and turn on the LCD on plugin, only if the hold button was not held |
| 19:19:51 | preglow | it pauses on unplug on nano, does not resume on plugin |
| 19:20:05 | biffhero | preglow. thanks, someone last night thought it might resume on plugin |
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| 19:20:24 | obo | yeah, I wrote it to resume on plugin, but I don't use retail... |
| 19:20:57 | obo | When you say LCD shutdown - do you mean the hibernation mode that retail goes into? |
| 19:21:07 | biffhero | preglow: can you verify what it does on plugin in the two states 1. backlight off, LCD on, and 2. backlight off, LCD off |
| 19:21:11 | linuxstb | preglow: I think it's the reverse - we should power-up only the parts of the codecs which are used. And I think we do that. But the codec handling needs a thorough review - someone needs to study the datasheets and work out the best configurations. I've just done the minimum to get them working in most cases. |
| 19:21:11 | tucoz | nls, I have no idea. What is databox? |
| 19:21:33 | tucoz | Is that the query making program? |
| 19:21:40 | nls | yep |
| 19:21:52 | biffhero | obo: I think so. it takes a little while to get into that state. I don't think it is the same sleep mode as when you hold down play for n seconds |
| 19:22:14 | preglow | linuxstb: that's what currently happens in 8975, i see |
| 19:22:14 | biffhero | obo: will verify that they are different (or not) in a second. |
| 19:22:36 | preglow | biffhero: lcd is always on |
| 19:23:06 | preglow | plus, i don't have any music that retailos recognizes anymore, so i can't test |
| 19:23:12 | biffhero | preglow: if I wait another minute or so on my 5G, the lcd goes blank, don't know if it goes off or not |
| 19:23:13 | tucoz | maybe we should just assume that tagcache is the only database option for the 3.0 release? |
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| 19:23:28 | preglow | biffhero: ahh, right, sleep |
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| 19:24:04 | preglow | but why do we care about this anyway? |
| 19:24:20 | preglow | duplicating behaviour isn't generally our preferred way of development |
| 19:24:21 | biffhero | someone wanted to know what the retailOS did |
| 19:24:32 | nls | tucoz, i think so |
| 19:24:38 | obo | how about a three state option? no effect on phones, pause only, or pause and resume? |
| 19:24:47 | preglow | what about not adding it at all? :P |
| 19:24:56 | biffhero | that sounds good |
| 19:24:57 | obo | there is that too :) |
| 19:24:59 | linuxstb | preglow: Get's my vote :) |
| 19:24:59 | preglow | i was no big fan of the behaviour, heh |
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| 19:25:09 | linuxstb | s/'// |
| 19:25:12 | nls | bbl |
| 19:25:15 | biffhero | the default could be 'no effect' on all platforms but the ipods. |
| 19:25:31 | preglow | biffhero: not all platforms are able to support it at all, so yes |
| 19:25:36 | obo | can any other platforms detect it? |
| 19:25:45 | linuxstb | obo: No. |
| 19:25:55 | biffhero | I don't know how important the principle of least surprise is here. do you try to make the default behaviour on a platform match their retailOS at all? |
| 19:26:35 | amiconn | linuxstb, obo: The archos player and recorder might be able to detect earphine plugin |
| 19:27:13 | biffhero | obo: I can't say that the timeout-sleep is any different than the play/pause-sleep, when I force the sleep with the keypress, a headphone insert turns on LCD and backlight |
| 19:27:17 | amiconn | (exploiting the fact that an ordinary 2-ring 3.5mm jack will ground the remote pin) |
| 19:27:25 | obo | okay - so it I rewrite it to be 3 state that would be better? I don't have an archos to test with - so someone else would have to add that bit... |
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| 19:27:51 | webguest35 | Principle of least surprise shouldn't take into account the retailos, but Rockbox isolated, imho |
| 19:27:53 | biffhero | obo: that sounds most featureful |
| 19:28:11 | preglow | biffhero: plugin turns it on again when it's sleeping |
| 19:28:18 | webguest35 | I don't see how you could expect it to not resume on plugin |
| 19:28:27 | webguest35 | But that's me |
| 19:28:28 | preglow | i certainly would not |
| 19:28:39 | preglow | i'd even be pissed if it did |
| 19:28:42 | biffhero | webguest35: when I plug it in to my otterbox, I don't want it to start playing. same with my aux-in on my car |
| 19:28:43 | preglow | pissed off, even |
| 19:28:49 | webguest35 | If it stops automatically, I'd expect it to start automatically again |
| 19:28:58 | biffhero | preglow: better than being pissed on, I guess. ;-) |
| 19:29:07 | webguest35 | Ah, I meant if it had stopped by unplugging |
| 19:29:14 | obo | okay, I'll see what I can do |
| 19:29:19 | * | lostlogic spams CVS with a 3rd commit for the same feature. |
| 19:29:19 | webguest35 | I see what you mean now |
| 19:29:21 | preglow | biffhero: perhaps |
| 19:29:52 | biffhero | webguest35: I disagree, since I stop it when I get in the car by unplugging the headphones, but plug it in to the car jack before starting the car |
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| 19:30:38 | webguest35 | *shrug* I'd expect it to be a new playback state "on hold"or something, that is resumed on plugin. |
| 19:30:50 | webguest35 | But I don't have an ipod, so have your fun :) |
| 19:30:54 | biffhero | heh |
| 19:31:11 | linuxstb | I don't think the playback code needs more complications at this point... |
| 19:31:28 | biffhero | am i correct that there is no actual cvs checkout per se, but only a download of a tarball of the cvs checkout? |
| 19:31:44 | linuxstb | no. |
| 19:32:00 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
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| 19:33:17 | biffhero | I am testing the patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 for obo, I am using the tarball from http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml .. Is that recent enough? |
| 19:33:23 | Nico_P | can someone point me to where the usb screen is shown ? |
| 19:33:41 | lostlogic | Nico_P: you're goig nto fix USB from WPS? |
| 19:33:42 | lostlogic | :):) |
| 19:33:46 | Nico_P | can't find it |
| 19:33:47 | Nico_P | yes |
| 19:34:05 | preglow | linuxstb: do you know where i can find the pinout of the nano connector? |
| 19:34:09 | Nico_P | at least if you're talking about the backdrop bug |
| 19:34:22 | lostlogic | hmm, wasn't talking about backdrop bug |
| 19:34:23 | lostlogic | oh well |
| 19:34:27 | Nico_P | what then ? |
| 19:34:29 | lostlogic | screens.c usb_screen? |
| 19:34:40 | lostlogic | I think on iriver and ipod that goin gto USB mode from WPS doesn't work most of the time |
| 19:34:56 | lostlogic | it shows the screen, but doesn't connect to the computer on iriver and shows the screen but doesn't reboot on ipod |
| 19:35:16 | Nico_P | that i have absolutly no idea how to fix :p |
| 19:35:35 | Nico_P | i found screens.c usb_screen, but i was looking for what called it |
| 19:35:56 | webguest35 | grep's your friend |
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| 19:36:27 | Nico_P | didn't quite figure how to use it yet... i tried but it did nothing |
| 19:36:31 | Nico_P | i'm new to linux |
| 19:36:42 | webguest35 | grep -r usb_screen apps/* |
| 19:36:49 | webguest35 | should help |
| 19:37:18 | tucoz | Nico_P, find -name "*.[ch]" | xargs grep something |
| 19:37:21 | Nico_P | aahh... works much better now |
| 19:37:22 | Nico_P | thanks |
| 19:37:43 | Nico_P | well "grep -r usb_screen apps/*" worked fine |
| 19:37:52 | tucoz | yes, that works fine |
| 19:37:58 | linuxstb | preglow: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector (I'm assuming they are all the same) |
| 19:38:20 | preglow | linuxstb: the nano isn't even smaller or anything? |
| 19:38:27 | preglow | connector, that is |
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| 19:38:29 | linuxstb | I wouldn't know. |
| 19:38:54 | webguest35 | Paging Cassandra |
| 19:39:17 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure they are the same - I haven't seen cables/accessories specifically for the Nano. |
| 19:40:48 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, they seem to the same. e.g.: http://www.sendstation.com/us/products/pocketdock/combo.html (works on all ipods) |
| 19:42:08 | lostlogic | grep -r −−include="*.[ch]" usb_screen apps <−− like tucoz' but no pipe ;) |
| 19:42:17 | austriancoder | where in rockbox can i see how much discspace is left? |
| 19:43:56 | linuxstb | Main menu->Info->Rockbox Info. But Windows doesn't keep that information current. |
| 19:44:05 | preglow | linuxstb: when looking into the connector, it looks like only four of the pins are actually connected... |
| 19:44:17 | austriancoder | linuxstb: thanks |
| 19:44:28 | preglow | man, it's hard to count these pins |
| 19:44:29 | Mikachu | preglow: they call it universal dock so... |
| 19:45:01 | Mikachu | i'd also assume the usb cable only has the 4 usb pins connected |
| 19:45:11 | preglow | yeah, it's the usb pins that are |
| 19:45:13 | preglow | at least three of them |
| 19:45:23 | preglow | i just can't count my way to the last one without some kind of magnifier |
| 19:45:51 | Mikachu | i only have 4 goldy bits on the connector on the cable |
| 19:46:10 | preglow | me too |
| 19:46:14 | preglow | and the three first are usb |
| 19:46:22 | Mikachu | i thought usb was 4 pins |
| 19:46:41 | Mikachu | data+, data-, 5v and ground |
| 19:46:55 | kclaf | hmmm is that normal that i still experience data abort with TagCache on Ipod5G (load to RAM enabled) |
| 19:47:03 | preglow | the ground is common |
| 19:47:07 | linuxstb | kclaf: I don't experience any. |
| 19:47:21 | bluey | anyone uses a Rsync Script for syncing his player? |
| 19:47:29 | Mikachu | preglow: wikipedia says 4 pins... |
| 19:47:45 | kclaf | linustb : really ? i cleaned my previous files, re-updated, rebooted |
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| 19:47:48 | preglow | it's probably the usb ground pin |
| 19:47:55 | preglow | Mikachu: it _is_ four pins, i know that |
| 19:48:12 | preglow | well, ok, at least we don't have to worry about enabling recording for nano |
| 19:48:18 | Mikachu | oh now i understand what you said i think |
| 19:49:03 | preglow | the shield could very well have been usb gnd tyoo |
| 19:49:04 | preglow | too <- |
| 19:49:12 | preglow | but yeah, only usb is connected for nano |
| 19:49:37 | preglow | so ok, we can power down line out 2 as well, on nano |
| 19:49:41 | preglow | ehh, line out |
| 19:50:25 | preglow | Cassandra: reading this? the nano seems to have no serial port |
| 19:50:40 | biffhero | how do I get back to the WPS screen (ipod 5G)? |
| 19:50:46 | linuxstb | Does the nano have a remote connector next to the headphone socket? |
| 19:50:47 | preglow | biffhero: press play |
| 19:50:51 | preglow | linuxstb: yes |
| 19:51:00 | linuxstb | That's the serial port as well. |
| 19:51:08 | linuxstb | IIUC. |
| 19:51:14 | preglow | the headphone socket? |
| 19:51:23 | biffhero | preglow: thx. is that only supposed to work from filebrowser, or from menu as well? |
| 19:51:24 | Mikachu | is the remote connector inside the uni dock contact? |
| 19:51:27 | linuxstb | No, the remote connector next to the headphone socket. |
| 19:51:30 | preglow | biffhero: file browser |
| 19:51:36 | preglow | linuxstb: then how come the pins for serial aren't connected? |
| 19:51:45 | biffhero | obo: the pause on unplug restarts on plugin, and it is cool |
| 19:51:46 | preglow | linuxstb: ahh, _remote_ connector |
| 19:51:48 | preglow | linuxstb: no, no remote |
| 19:51:52 | preglow | linuxstb: just the docking port thing |
| 19:52:52 | linuxstb | Are you 100% sure that the Nano's dock socket only contains USB? I thought it could charge via firewire? |
| 19:53:12 | obo | biffhero: cool sounds good :) |
| 19:53:25 | amiconn | preglow: Are you currently looking at the inside of your nano? |
| 19:53:25 | Cassandra | There are pins for it. I can't think of a good reason why they wouldn't be connected. |
| 19:53:31 | biffhero | obo: I will test the tri-state patch when it shows up |
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| 19:53:52 | obo | okay, if you're still in here I'll shout when I'm done |
| 19:53:53 | preglow | i see only four pins, and those line up with pins 27, 25, 23 and i _think_ 16 |
| 19:53:59 | preglow | amiconn: no, just the cable |
| 19:54:07 | linuxstb | This seems to suggest something is there: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/8629.htm |
| 19:54:08 | preglow | amiconn: stuff might be connected on the inside, of course |
| 19:54:56 | amiconn | yes, that's what I mean |
| 19:55:19 | preglow | yes, that does indeed suggest that |
| 19:55:44 | amiconn | The cable connector most likely just has the pins present which are needed for that cable's purpose |
| 19:56:06 | preglow | yeah, entirely probable |
| 19:56:21 | amiconn | I wonder why no iPod rockbox dev seems to have opened his iPod so far |
| 19:56:28 | preglow | because it's flaming impossible |
| 19:56:33 | preglow | without breaking it |
| 19:56:49 | preglow | especially the nanio |
| 19:56:49 | preglow | nano |
| 19:56:53 | amiconn | I am very curious what's inside the shell, and will try to find a way |
| 19:56:54 | Mikachu | i saw some site that claimed to have ipod opening tools, but i don't know if they work obviously |
| 19:57:17 | amiconn | There must be a way, since obviously the thing was put together somehow |
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| 19:57:34 | Mikachu | maybe they've glued it together |
| 19:57:43 | preglow | no, they haven't |
| 19:57:59 | preglow | all you need is a stiff guitar pick and some use of force |
| 19:58:14 | preglow | i've got the first, but haven't dared force it hard enough yet |
| 19:58:15 | amiconn | Perhaps the nano is different, but iirc someone (apple itself?) offers changing batteries |
| 19:58:20 | Mikachu | heh |
| 19:58:21 | amiconn | ...so there must be a way |
| 19:58:22 | preglow | amiconn: nono, it's entirely possible |
| 19:58:27 | preglow | amiconn: there's even a video of people doing it |
| 19:58:36 | Mikachu | amiconn: i think their battery exchange plan actually entails giving you a new ipod |
| 19:58:41 | kclaf | removed * .rockbox, removed rockbox.ipod, reinstalled latest bleeding edge making sure i dont have cache issue with previous version, forced update on tagcache, rebooted twice −−> "Data abort at 00016C5C" |
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| 19:59:36 | Bger | kclaf what the .map file says about 00016C5C ? |
| 19:59:51 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah, perhaps apple itself, but others? |
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| 20:00:05 | amiconn | I remember having seen replacement batteries for mini on eBay... |
| 20:00:53 | linuxstb | Replacement batteries normally come with plastic tools for forcing ipods open. e.g. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48055 |
| 20:01:19 | preglow | arghhh |
| 20:01:31 | preglow | i seem to have lost the only pick i had which could be used |
| 20:02:20 | * | preglow tries with a knife |
| 20:03:06 | Bger | i think we can lose one of the main ipod devs .... |
| 20:03:17 | preglow | no, i think i'll ambandon that course of action |
| 20:03:39 | Mikachu | aren't there like broken ipods for sale here and there? |
| 20:04:00 | linuxstb | There will be soon... |
| 20:04:07 | amiconn | Mikachu: Probably. |
| 20:05:01 | amiconn | Broken units would surely be helpful to identify components. Opening a working unit would have the additional advantage of being able to do measurements to figure out how things work together |
| 20:05:03 | preglow | it's really bloody easy to scratch this thing |
| 20:05:22 | preglow | i don't recommend putting a stanley knife to it |
| 20:05:44 | amiconn | When writing the MMC driver, I had my Ondio running open and powered from a lab psu most of the time |
| 20:05:47 | Bger | there are no map files in the bleeding edge builds, i suppose ? |
| 20:05:57 | amiconn | This way I could use my scope to watch signal |
| 20:06:05 | amiconn | s |
| 20:06:33 | Mikachu | preglow: i get scratches on mine when i wipe grease off with soft cloth |
| 20:06:47 | preglow | yeah, it's a really sturdy piece of equipment |
| 20:06:53 | preglow | made for mountain climbing |
| 20:07:06 | Mikachu | i think their real profits lie in the socks |
| 20:07:29 | preglow | than and the 20-packs of nano tubes |
| 20:07:43 | Mikachu | they actually change $29 for some wool |
| 20:07:45 | preglow | bought primarily by people who are not right in the head |
| 20:08:08 | Mikachu | a guy in front of me at a lecture had one, i had to try very hard to not laugh in his face (or neck) |
| 20:08:19 | preglow | hahah |
| 20:08:45 | Mikachu | It doesn't matter which iPod model you have because iPod Socks fit all of them. And it doesn't matter what your mood is because each iPod Socks package includes six bright colors so you can pick the one that feels best. |
| 20:09:50 | preglow | damn, this metal casing's so sharp it bloody damaged a jazz3 pick |
| 20:10:02 | * | preglow gets mitten |
| 20:10:02 | preglow | s |
| 20:10:27 | preglow | Mikachu: yes, with colours hand-picked by a grandma kite-high on acid |
| 20:10:41 | Mikachu | aren't there some glass scratches repear kits in regular hardware stores? |
| 20:10:44 | Mikachu | haha |
| 20:10:55 | preglow | Mikachu: i really don't care too much about my ipod looks |
| 20:11:05 | preglow | Mikachu: as a matter of fact, i want the little bastard to look neglected |
| 20:11:14 | preglow | Mikachu: and abused |
| 20:11:21 | Mikachu | haha, i agree with that |
| 20:12:54 | preglow | i've got it now! |
| 20:12:59 | preglow | busted my pick right up, it did |
| 20:13:06 | Mikachu | you opened it? |
| 20:13:41 | preglow | i'm in the process, but it's really tight |
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| 20:13:50 | safetydan | woo... working eq pregain |
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| 20:14:12 | preglow | i really wonder if this'll every sit tightly again |
| 20:14:55 | safetydan | I wonder if we need an "auto-gain" mode |
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| 20:15:28 | Mikachu | preglow: you can always put it in a sock and nobody will know |
| 20:16:13 | amiconn | safetydan: In fact the MAS has that |
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| 20:16:28 | amiconn | It's an option in rockbox for archos |
| 20:17:08 | amiconn | AVC (Automatic Volume Correction) |
| 20:17:26 | safetydan | Is that related to equalizer type functions? |
| 20:17:48 | amiconn | No, but an el cheapo replacement for replaygain |
| 20:18:11 | safetydan | yeah just read the manual entry for it |
| 20:18:47 | safetydan | I was thinking that the eq pregain might need an option to automatically pick the lowest gain to avoid clipping |
| 20:19:42 | preglow | arghghg |
| 20:19:59 | preglow | safetydan: no, screw that |
| 20:20:04 | preglow | safetydan: really easy to do manually anyway |
| 20:20:23 | preglow | ok, it's almost close to open, but i feel like i have to bloody kick it to get it completely open |
| 20:20:29 | safetydan | yeah more work for me, was just thinking about it while tinkering |
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| 20:21:13 | obo | linuxstb: your comment on 4899 - would button.c be the right place for the GPIO function? |
| 20:22:08 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, I wonder why EQs usually allow positive channel gains, therefore requiring pregain. |
| 20:22:20 | amiconn | Would be easier to allow only negative channel gains... |
| 20:22:29 | Febs | ping tucoz |
| 20:22:29 | linuxstb | obo: I'm not sure... Headphone detection (at least the way it's done on the ipods) doesn't seem to fit anywhere. |
| 20:22:35 | tucoz | Febs, yep |
| 20:22:57 | preglow | amiconn: because it's possible? |
| 20:23:09 | austriancoder | how must i change the Makefile of a codec to link codec X against my codec y? |
| 20:23:19 | preglow | amiconn: of course you should always try to cut instead of boost, but if you want to boost, then hey, why not |
| 20:23:37 | Febs | When we're breaking chapters into different files, should we: (a) input all sections and subsections from the main.tex file, or (b) input sections from the main.tex file, input subsections from their respective sections, etc. |
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| 20:24:43 | linuxstb | austriancoder: What are you trying to do? All the codecs (i.e. apps/codecs/*.c) are linked against all the codec libraries. |
| 20:24:59 | tucoz | Febs, I think we should go for option a). That is, the main file could contain some text but for larger sections we could split that to a separate file. |
| 20:25:13 | Mikachu | hah, maybe you can use pulling the headphone coord as a button in rockboy |
| 20:25:32 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i am trying to compile libtheora.. and i needs to be linked agains libtremor |
| 20:25:37 | safetydan | preglow, speaking of possible things, should we have the ability to have 24 dB band gain when the pregain maxes out at 12 db? |
| 20:25:41 | Mikachu | would make for interesting gameplay |
| 20:25:57 | linuxstb | austriancoder: You mean the library itself requires linking against another library? |
| 20:26:00 | preglow | safetydan: pregain "maxes" out at -12 db? |
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| 20:26:23 | austriancoder | linuxstb: yes.... i want to decode a video with libtheora and ogg is used for audio |
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| 20:26:43 | Mikachu | austriancoder: you mean vorbis |
| 20:26:47 | safetydan | preglow, the format of apply_gain is s8.23 so 12.7 or so dB is the max |
| 20:26:52 | linuxstb | Can't you just link your "theora.c" codec against both libraries? |
| 20:26:59 | linuxstb | (which will happen automatically) |
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| 20:27:18 | preglow | safetydan: yeah, but that's _gain_, we don't want the pregain to be able to gain, only cut |
| 20:27:54 | austriancoder | linuxstb: libtheora need internal some ogg vorbis stuff from libtremor |
| 20:27:54 | preglow | at least i can see no big reason to allow it to do gains, and if 12 dB is the max, so be it |
| 20:28:11 | tucoz | Febs, I think it is easier that way, as we know that there is a main.tex file in each chapter directory. That file 'controls' that chapter. It will be messy if included files also includes other files. |
| 20:28:28 | preglow | my nano case doesn't really fit that well anymore, no |
| 20:28:29 | preglow | excellent |
| 20:28:36 | preglow | what a bunch of fucking retards appe are |
| 20:28:37 | preglow | apple |
| 20:28:42 | Febs | tucoz, I think you're right. |
| 20:28:43 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i need the functions in bitwise.c from tremor to compile libtheora |
| 20:29:13 | tucoz | preglow, "as a matter of fact, i want the little bastard to look neglected .. and abused" |
| 20:29:23 | linuxstb | You shouldn't need to link bitwise.c into libtheora though. Just include the .h file, and then your "theora.c" links against both libraries. |
| 20:29:26 | preglow | tucoz: but not falling apart, there's a difference :) |
| 20:29:30 | tucoz | hehe |
| 20:29:31 | amiconn | preglow, safetydan: s8.23 should allow for 24dB gain |
| 20:29:48 | austriancoder | linuxstb: okay.. will try it |
| 20:29:57 | amiconn | (if the value is linear as I presume) |
| 20:30:16 | tucoz | bbl, reboot |
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| 20:30:59 | linuxstb | preglow: Did you see anything interesting inside your Nano? |
| 20:31:16 | preglow | linuxstb: i couldn't get it completely open and didn't feel like deforming it further in the attempt |
| 20:31:39 | safetydan | amiconn, yes of course it should... braino on my part |
| 20:32:00 | Mikachu | preglow: my frying pan was a bit deformed, i fixed it with a hammer |
| 20:33:38 | preglow | Mikachu: cast iron then, i assume |
| 20:33:52 | Mikachu | no, teflon and stuff |
| 20:34:01 | preglow | ahahahah |
| 20:34:07 | Mikachu | i figured either it breaks or i fix it, it was pretty much annoying to use since it only got warm in one corner |
| 20:34:19 | preglow | yeah, a lot of them has a tendency to bend |
| 20:34:21 | preglow | for some bloody reason |
| 20:34:28 | preglow | i had one that only got hot in the middle |
| 20:34:34 | Mikachu | i may have rinced it with water too soon once or twice |
| 20:34:39 | preglow | hahah |
| 20:34:40 | preglow | yeah |
| 20:35:04 | safetydan | so... should I call it "Precut" instead of "Pregain"? :) |
| 20:35:05 | preglow | though, one'd think banging one of those with a hammer would make it a bit less non-sticky, heh |
| 20:35:07 | Mikachu | i used a rag between the hammer and the pan too |
| 20:35:13 | preglow | clever |
| 20:35:31 | Mikachu | i'm not sure how it will respond next time i heat it up though |
| 20:36:03 | preglow | explode in your face!" |
| 20:36:09 | Mikachu | can't you just automatically pregain the largest gain of the bands but *-1? |
| 20:36:17 | Mikachu | preglow: oh no !11 |
| 20:37:41 | preglow | Mikachu: i don't like the idea of my software second guessing me |
| 20:37:53 | preglow | if i don't want the cut, then i don't want it bloody auto-compensating for me |
| 20:38:07 | Mikachu | hm, maybe not a good idea no, if you know the audio is not near clipping |
| 20:38:15 | preglow | exactly |
| 20:40:01 | safetydan | well if you really want to get in to it, there's no stopping you setting +24 db pregain in a settings file. The UI won't let you do that though. |
| 20:40:52 | preglow | so, what's the gui range? |
| 20:41:02 | safetydan | -24.0 to 0.0 |
| 20:41:50 | safetydan | which come to think of it, means I should be using 8 bits in the config sector not 9 |
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| 20:44:13 | preglow | why? should 6 bits be enough for that? |
| 20:44:32 | preglow | including sign |
| 20:44:43 | safetydan | .1 increment |
| 20:44:48 | preglow | riiight |
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| 20:57:27 | safetydan | hrm... .1 step size might be a tad small |
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| 20:58:50 | preglow | hmm |
| 20:58:51 | preglow | myeah |
| 20:58:56 | preglow | perhaps 0.25 would be better |
| 20:58:58 | preglow | or even 0.5 |
| 20:59:01 | preglow | 0.5 is nice, yeah |
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| 21:01:03 | amiconn | Well, as 1dB is afaik the smallest human-noticeable change, 1dB (or perhaps 0.5dB) step size should be sufficient |
| 21:01:13 | tucoz | preglow, how do you play a file from the file-tree on the ipod? |
| 21:01:24 | tucoz | or enter a directory |
| 21:01:36 | tucoz | nevermind |
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| 21:03:46 | safetydan | Should the equalizer band gain step size be 0.5 dB as well? |
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| 21:09:40 | preglow | amiconn: i'm pretty sure i can hear smaller increments than 1 db when you're talking the entire frequency band |
| 21:10:31 | preglow | not much smaller, though |
| 21:10:40 | preglow | safetydan: i dunno |
| 21:10:44 | preglow | safetydan: i don't use the bloody thing |
| 21:10:56 | preglow | Febs: any opinions? :) |
| 21:11:34 | safetydan | preglow, we really need someone on the team who uses it since I don't use it either :) |
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| 21:12:44 | kclaf | when i get data abort browsing the id3 database, which .map file should i check ? |
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| 21:15:20 | Mikachu | why are you coding on things you won't use? :) |
| 21:16:15 | ep0ch | i think the eq gains and pre-gain step size should be consistent imho |
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| 21:20:42 | safetydan | Mikachu, so we can tick that feature off the list :) |
| 21:20:50 | Mikachu | heh |
| 21:22:49 | safetydan | speaking of things I will use, I need to get RVA2 tag support in |
| 21:22:58 | safetydan | half my files seem to use that instead of the TXXX tag |
| 21:23:13 | safetydan | no wonder I thought I hadn't replaygained half of them |
| 21:24:10 | Mikachu | i wish easytag would support taglib properly soon |
| 21:26:40 | preglow | Mikachu: for fixed point coding experience on my part |
| 21:26:47 | Mikachu | ah |
| 21:26:48 | preglow | Mikachu: and because of the chicks |
| 21:27:12 | Mikachu | lots of chicks in cs |
| 21:27:35 | preglow | exactly |
| 21:28:02 | preglow | just ask'em if they want to come home and see your fixed point eq code |
| 21:28:03 | preglow | never fails |
| 21:29:08 | Mikachu | i'll try it out |
| 21:29:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd needs to remember that |
| 21:29:30 | Mikachu | is it okay if i pretend i wrote rockbox' fp code? |
| 21:29:39 | preglow | Mikachu: sure, as long as you send compensation beer |
| 21:29:52 | Mikachu | you can get compensation speech instead |
| 21:29:54 | preglow | Mikachu: i've got a list ready you can just give to the systembolaget people |
| 21:30:10 | Mikachu | haha |
| 21:30:24 | Mikachu | i haven't been to systembolaget since i was little |
| 21:30:52 | preglow | then here's the excuse to reintroduce you to that most splendid of establishments |
| 21:31:13 | preglow | you can show them my imdct code as well |
| 21:31:25 | Mikachu | in jpeg.c? |
| 21:31:27 | preglow | hell, give them imdct36() and have the vomit in your lap |
| 21:31:30 | preglow | no, libmad |
| 21:31:36 | Mikachu | ah |
| 21:31:47 | Mikachu | i'm not into vomiting |
| 21:31:56 | preglow | the huge bloody blob that makes your eyes water |
| 21:32:06 | preglow | i desperately want to get rid of it, but for some reason, it's quite fast |
| 21:32:27 | safetydan | cordic can do dct... |
| 21:32:28 | safetydan | :) |
| 21:32:50 | preglow | haha |
| 21:32:57 | preglow | can it paint my walls? |
| 21:33:03 | safetydan | possibly not |
| 21:33:14 | Mikachu | toast bread? |
| 21:33:21 | preglow | what about washing dishes? |
| 21:33:21 | safetydan | not likely |
| 21:33:26 | preglow | 'cause i'm quite bored by that now |
| 21:33:41 | safetydan | they have machines for that you know |
| 21:34:19 | preglow | mine is busted and waiting for the repair guy |
| 21:34:24 | preglow | living in the meantime is agony |
| 21:34:35 | Mikachu | i don't have one! |
| 21:34:54 | preglow | students don't deserve one!! |
| 21:34:56 | Mikachu | doing dishes and biking to school is when i actually use my ipod :) |
| 21:35:05 | preglow | haha |
| 21:35:10 | preglow | i just recently got one myself |
| 21:35:14 | preglow | haha |
| 21:35:30 | crashd | |
| 21:35:31 | safetydan | dishwasher wouldn't fit in my flat |
| 21:35:33 | crashd | erk |
| 21:35:34 | preglow | i stopped listening to music while biking when i noticed it doesn't go too well with the speeds i tend to travel at |
| 21:35:36 | crashd | stupid keyboard |
| 21:35:36 | Mikachu | i have to set my speakers ridiculously (that's hard to spell) high to hear it over the tap |
| 21:36:11 | preglow | the entire way to the uni was one big downhill slope |
| 21:36:18 | Febs | I just committed a number of new files for the manual to CVS. I figured out how to do cvs add and cvs commit to add new files, but could someone step me through how to commit an update to an existing file? |
| 21:36:35 | Mikachu | just cvs commit it |
| 21:36:37 | preglow | Febs: what do you think about the eq? do we need smaller steps than 0.5db? |
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| 21:36:53 | Mikachu | it's like a new file only you don't need to add it first |
| 21:37:07 | Febs | Thanks. |
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| 21:37:39 | Febs | preglow, my gut reaction is no. |
| 21:37:44 | preglow | mine too |
| 21:37:51 | safetydan | bloody hell, there isn't actually much that cordic can't do, FFT as well |
| 21:37:54 | bam__ | so hows the tag cache working? |
| 21:37:56 | Bger | Febs and if you want to be sure what did you change, u can use a cvs diff -u before commiting ... |
| 21:38:02 | preglow | bam__: working somewhat |
| 21:38:07 | kclaf | linuxstb : i have found the issue, it was caused by the voice menus ;x |
| 21:38:14 | preglow | i always do 'cvs commit filename(s)' |
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| 21:38:31 | preglow | kclaf: what issue? |
| 21:38:35 | bam__ | somewhat? so what are the issues, anything really bad? |
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| 21:38:49 | safetydan | bam__, some lockups |
| 21:39:01 | bam__ | and second anyone have a copy of the at&t voices file? |
| 21:39:04 | preglow | safetydan: where are you seeing this? |
| 21:39:07 | bam__ | ewwww, lockupos |
| 21:39:08 | kclaf | preglow : data abort on browsing the tagcache db |
| 21:39:18 | bam__ | guess I shall wait :) |
| 21:39:19 | safetydan | preglow, google for cordic fft |
| 21:39:21 | preglow | kclaf: weird... |
| 21:39:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | bam__: We can't distribute that at the moment. |
| 21:39:39 | kclaf | strange thing that it doesnt data abort when i normally browe files or menus |
| 21:39:42 | bam__ | I know license problems |
| 21:40:08 | bam__ | but if someone not associated with the project were to say email me the files...:) |
| 21:40:09 | preglow | safetydan: nice to see there's a patent on it |
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| 21:40:50 | safetydan | preglow, yeah, not sure how old that is though |
| 21:41:03 | bam__ | bam@thegrinder.ws |
| 21:41:15 | safetydan | lots of good ieee papers too |
| 21:41:22 | Mikachu | bam__: optimist :) |
| 21:41:59 | safetydan | bam__, the microsoft voice ones aren't too bad |
| 21:42:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | bam__: Why not just use the voice files that *are* available for the moment? |
| 21:42:13 | preglow | they're not up to date |
| 21:42:13 | Mikachu | does festival suck? |
| 21:42:20 | preglow | Mikachu: not very much |
| 21:42:25 | preglow | but it's not the bees knees |
| 21:42:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Neither are the AT&T ones, they're just less "not" |
| 21:42:36 | Mikachu | apart from only being english (and spanish?) |
| 21:42:53 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 21:42:57 | Kyomi | Doom2 is...odd |
| 21:43:05 | Kyomi | First time I run it, it works fine |
| 21:43:27 | Kyomi | I go back and play it again and it crashes.... so... delete the config file and it works... but theres no sfx |
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| 21:46:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Which version of Doom2 are you using? |
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| 21:52:10 | tucoz | Febs, nice :) |
| 21:53:30 | Febs | That will definitely make it easier to udpate. |
| 21:54:08 | tucoz | Febs, yes. Did you make sure that no begin - end itemize spans over several files? |
| 21:54:49 | tucoz | It looks like it, just wante do make sure. (if that is the case, then it would be hard to maintain ;-)) |
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| 21:56:06 | tucoz | Looks great |
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| 22:02:25 | muesli__ | does winter and summertime change all over the world at the same date/time? |
| 22:02:35 | Mikachu | no |
| 22:03:12 | muesli__ | damn..what a pitty |
| 22:03:18 | muesli__ | -t |
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| 22:03:34 | Mikachu | that's why there is a special timezone package for glibc |
| 22:03:48 | Mikachu | and a standard for specifying daylight savings switch date |
| 22:04:13 | Bger | nite |
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| 22:04:28 | muesli__ | i guess its a pain in the ass work to include all timezones all over the world |
| 22:04:50 | Febs | tucoz, I checked all of the begin/end{itemize} statements, and I am fairly certain that they are all correct. |
| 22:05:10 | Mikachu | it wouldn't be my first choice of things to do on a sunny sunday afternoon |
| 22:05:23 | tucoz | Febs, good. I just wanted to make sure |
| 22:05:53 | tucoz | a bit scared of hard to find errors |
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| 22:13:44 | wuzzles | hello all |
| 22:13:55 | muesli__ | how much ram eats up tagcache btw? |
| 22:14:28 | tucoz | muesli__, check the audio info in the debug menu |
| 22:14:42 | tucoz | that is the audiobuffer |
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| 22:15:24 | tucoz | Febs, do you think we should provide a menu-overview in the manual? Like a tree for fast reference |
| 22:16:51 | * | amiconn is impressed by archos PCM playback :) |
| 22:17:00 | Febs | That's probably a good idea. |
| 22:17:07 | amiconn | 5.5 hours continuous playback with 44.1kHz 16 bit stereo |
| 22:17:25 | tucoz | wow, that is really good. |
| 22:18:00 | amiconn | That's with 2500mAh cells in a recorder v1 |
| 22:18:10 | dwihno | There is PCM playback on archos? |
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| 22:18:36 | linuxstb | So if FLAC could happen, it should get even longer playback? |
| 22:18:39 | tucoz | amiconn, I have no clue on batteries. Is that better than the battery on an iriver h100? |
| 22:18:40 | amiconn | CD quality means spinups every ~10 seconds, with the HD spiining approximately half of the time |
| 22:18:55 | Mikachu | do you really save battery if you spin up every 10 secs? |
| 22:19:56 | amiconn | tucoz: Yes it is. Otoh, the 2.5" HD in the archos needs more power than the 1.8" drive in the iriver |
| 22:20:13 | tucoz | I see |
| 22:20:30 | tucoz | I am impressed nevertheless |
| 22:20:31 | amiconn | Mikachu: I don't know, probably not much |
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| 22:24:07 | preglow | amiconn: might it not be better to keep the disk spinning at all times? |
| 22:24:57 | wuzzles | −−> does directory cache not work on the video ipods yet? |
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| 22:26:33 | yeahx | wow they're are some cool new things lately |
| 22:27:07 | preglow | like what? |
| 22:27:12 | preglow | wuzzles: it should |
| 22:27:28 | Mikachu | preglow: the proper response would be 'yes we r teh roxx0rz' |
| 22:27:38 | linuxstb | wuzzles: Yes, it's worked for a while. Are you having problems? |
| 22:27:46 | yeahx | well not so new maybe but the backlight fade thing |
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| 22:27:59 | yeahx | cant turn backlight off still but it fades :) |
| 22:28:06 | preglow | ahh, there's still that bug, yes |
| 22:28:09 | preglow | i wonder what causes that |
| 22:28:15 | preglow | luckily i have no inclination to look into it |
| 22:28:32 | yeahx | and Im about to figure out how to make the pacman thing work |
| 22:28:51 | yeahx | where to get and put the "rom" it says is misssing |
| 22:30:07 | Mikachu | did you look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
| 22:30:17 | wuzzles | naw i dont remember if it was working or not - i am at my workplace. |
| 22:30:28 | yeahx | I was probably on my way there, was looking anyway |
| 22:31:13 | drspoon | recently i saw something was added to stop the bitmap wps's from being built for players |
| 22:31:15 | drspoon | surely it would be good to only build wps's designed for target screen size to be included? |
| 22:31:50 | yeahx | oh ok, thats where to put the files anyway |
| 22:31:52 | wuzzles | last night i noticed that the channels were reversed when listening to my wavepack files, tho. |
| 22:32:34 | wuzzles | or i had a suspicion that they were |
| 22:33:14 | yeahx | just have to get the MAME rom I guess |
| 22:34:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | yes |
| 22:34:30 | Mikachu | yeahx: it's hard not to find them with google once you know the filenames |
| 22:35:18 | wuzzles | or if you know the pacman zip name, filemirrors.com may pull something up |
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| 22:36:33 | godzirra | Any ipod devs on here? :) |
| 22:36:40 | godzirra | I mean now. As opposed to earlier :) |
| 22:37:36 | godzirra | Guess not. =) |
| 22:37:41 | godzirra | Oh well... where do you report bugs? |
| 22:38:03 | Mikachu | try the first news entry on the home page |
| 22:38:08 | Mikachu | sorry, second |
| 22:38:32 | godzirra | Sorry. ask a stupid question. |
| 22:38:42 | Mikachu | i don't have any |
| 22:39:16 | godzirra | Hmm.. I'm not sure if my bug is related to the first bug on the list. |
| 22:39:49 | godzirra | I dont think so since its not usb.. |
| 22:40:11 | preglow | what bug? |
| 22:40:48 | yeahx | oh yeah I know it wont be too hard to find |
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| 22:41:20 | godzirra | I plugin my rockbox enabled ipod to a wall charger (video ipod) and it goes into an endless "connected/disconnected/reboot" loop until I unplug it. |
| 22:41:39 | yeahx | boot into apple firmware |
| 22:41:40 | Mikachu | wasn't that fixed recently? |
| 22:41:43 | godzirra | It acts like its trying to connect via usb, failing, rebooting into rockbox, seeing a usb c onnection, then trying again. |
| 22:42:01 | godzirra | Mikachu: how recently? I don't have the daily build on there. Mines 4 days old or so? |
| 22:42:13 | Mikachu | no idea |
| 22:42:33 | godzirra | yeahx: Still a bug if I have to boot into apples firmware to charge, I would say. :) |
| 22:43:09 | Mikachu | godzirra: try holding menu when you plug it in |
| 22:43:16 | yeahx | thats what I used to do, always before connecting to the computer |
| 22:43:27 | godzirra | ok.. lemme try that. |
| 22:43:27 | drspoon | is it just me or would mapping REC to player 2 up be better than PLAY on the h300s? |
| 22:43:58 | Mikachu | drspoon: player two in what? |
| 22:44:04 | obo | biffhero: new version if you want to test |
| 22:44:10 | drspoon | doh. i meant to say - pong |
| 22:44:22 | godzirra | holding menu when you plug it in seems to work. |
| 22:44:25 | drspoon | look at a pic of the player and you'll see why |
| 22:45:06 | safetydan | okay, there's clearly something I'm missing here... why would this (precut << 23) / 10 result in apply_gain doing the opposite of what I want? |
| 22:46:40 | herz42 | maybe it doesn't know what you want from it? |
| 22:46:45 | herz42 | ;) |
| 22:46:57 | Mikachu | does rockbox have a dwim() function in the core? |
| 22:47:17 | herz42 | never saw this. what should it be? |
| 22:47:21 | Mikachu | do what i mean |
| 22:47:22 | safetydan | I think so... or at least there's a patch for it :) |
| 22:47:33 | herz42 | ah, that would be a great feature... |
| 22:47:54 | Mikachu | i think it would increase the code size a bit though :/ |
| 22:49:00 | safetydan | and result in some very strange bugs |
| 22:50:36 | safetydan | ah well, I guess rockbox can live without an eq precut settings for another night |
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| 22:51:12 | herz42 | what should that calculation do? |
| 22:51:38 | safetydan | convert precut to s8.23 format and divide that by 10 |
| 22:51:45 | safetydan | (since precut is actually 10 times the needed db) |
| 22:52:11 | herz42 | and how many bits does it have initially? |
| 22:52:22 | safetydan | 8 max |
| 22:52:26 | linuxstb | Mikachu: That ipod USB wall charger bug hasn't been fixed, but you probably saw Cassandra optimistically close the bug report on the bug tracker. |
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| 22:52:59 | safetydan | apply_gain acts weird, like if I precut by 0.5 dB it's fine, but cutting by 2 dB actually gets louder |
| 22:53:11 | preglow | hm |
| 22:53:13 | herz42 | usually integer div doesn't work for fixpoint operations |
| 22:53:19 | preglow | sure it does |
| 22:53:23 | preglow | if you're dividing by an integer |
| 22:53:30 | herz42 | but you need to compensate, or? |
| 22:53:52 | preglow | only if you're dividing by a fractional |
| 22:53:57 | preglow | and he's not doing that |
| 22:54:14 | preglow | safetydan: all you need to be careful about in the case is overflow |
| 22:54:46 | safetydan | overflow isn't an issue at the moment I hope since I'm just subtracting away from 0 |
| 22:55:15 | preglow | safetydan: what variable are you setting? |
| 22:55:37 | safetydan | gain in apply_gain() |
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| 22:56:04 | preglow | that variable isn't in db format, but you knew that, right? |
| 22:56:42 | safetydan | err... no |
| 22:56:46 | safetydan | mow |
| 22:56:50 | preglow | then hooray! there's your bug |
| 22:56:51 | safetydan | that'll probably explain that then |
| 22:57:09 | safetydan | What format is it? |
| 22:57:11 | preglow | db -> amplitude factor formula is: a = 10^(db/20) |
| 22:57:27 | preglow | so you need to squeeze your number through that first |
| 22:57:34 | preglow | firmware/replaygain.c, function convert_gain |
| 22:57:36 | preglow | that's how |
| 22:57:41 | safetydan | so that's what that's for |
| 22:57:58 | safetydan | except that runs at s7.24 which won't handle -24 db |
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| 22:58:37 | preglow | wha? |
| 22:58:49 | preglow | no, you need to use long long |
| 22:59:02 | preglow | so the calc doesn't overflow before the divide by tenm |
| 22:59:03 | preglow | ten |
| 22:59:15 | Mikachu | linuxstb: ah okay |
| 22:59:24 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i thought someone made some progress in figuring out the bits too |
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| 23:00:05 | * | t0mas mumbles something about bad ISP's |
| 23:00:10 | t0mas | like Planet Internet form the Netherlands... |
| 23:00:10 | preglow | safetydan: however, you can do it like ((precut << 16)/10) << 7 with no loss in precision, i think |
| 23:01:02 | Bagder | hey t0mas |
| 23:01:07 | t0mas | hi |
| 23:01:08 | Mikachu | if you make the ui use binary, you could save some divisions :) |
| 23:02:19 | preglow | safetydan: forget that, of course there'd be some loss of precision |
| 23:02:40 | preglow | mikachu has a point! |
| 23:03:06 | Mikachu | i do? i was mostly joking |
| 23:04:13 | preglow | so am i |
| 23:04:16 | preglow | haha |
| 23:04:20 | Mikachu | i know :) |
| 23:04:29 | preglow | i usually do whenever i throw around exclamation marks |
| 23:05:24 | safetydan | hrmm... according to the comments in convert_gain it bottoms out at -23 |
| 23:06:19 | herz42 | safetydan: is it too inaccurate to multiply with an approximated 1/10? |
| 23:06:27 | preglow | booo! |
| 23:06:37 | preglow | yes, don't go that way |
| 23:06:43 | preglow | just use a 64 bit int if that's the whole point |
| 23:06:47 | preglow | this isn't speed critical code |
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| 23:07:46 | t0mas | Bagder? hands off the script? |
| 23:07:50 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:07:55 | t0mas | ok |
| 23:08:02 | safetydan | eh, got what I want from get_replaygain_int |
| 23:08:14 | safetydan | okay seems to work, so time for a commit |
| 23:08:17 | Bagder | t0mas: I added a buildmaster log link in all server stats pages, as you might've seen |
| 23:08:29 | t0mas | no |
| 23:08:38 | t0mas | have you checked m68k and sdl for Cassandra? |
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| 23:08:48 | Bagder | yes, they're enabled again |
| 23:08:54 | preglow | can anyone tell me what the fp_mul code in replaygain.c is up to? i don't understand why it does stuff so complicated |
| 23:08:57 | t0mas | ok, I'll remove the comment |
| 23:08:59 | Bagder | t0mas: check this => http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-03-27%2016:06:20.html |
| 23:09:15 | Bagder | t0mas: where the server 'arm' is the interesting one |
| 23:09:34 | * | t0mas searches for arm... |
| 23:09:36 | t0mas | nothing found |
| 23:09:39 | preglow | hahah |
| 23:09:56 | safetydan | preglow, possibly because they're a port of Java code :) |
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| 23:10:47 | preglow | safetydan: sweet moses |
| 23:11:02 | Mikachu | who would port java code? java code is supposed to be burned |
| 23:11:06 | safetydan | oMathFP is a J2ME fixed point library |
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| 23:11:41 | safetydan | comment at the top of the file says the routines are based on that so... |
| 23:12:07 | safetydan | http://orbisstudios.com/downloads/oMathFP-1.06/oMathFP/oMathFP.java |
| 23:12:29 | Mikachu | hooray for html tags in comments |
| 23:13:58 | safetydan | yeah good ol' javadoc |
| 23:14:15 | preglow | the fp_mul code doesn't seem to handle the case of LONG_MIN*LONG_MIN very well |
| 23:14:35 | t0mas | Bagder? where is that arm example you wanted to give? |
| 23:14:39 | preglow | lucky for us we'll never see those values |
| 23:14:42 | t0mas | I don't see any server calling itself arm |
| 23:14:55 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-03-27%2016:06:20.html |
| 23:15:16 | Bagder | read it again |
| 23:15:21 | t0mas | ooh |
| 23:15:21 | t0mas | there |
| 23:15:27 | * | t0mas tried to find it in the buildlog |
| 23:15:37 | Bagder | no, the buildlog doesn't show it |
| 23:15:50 | Bagder | but I'm quite sure it happens because of the 'retry' functionality |
| 23:16:27 | Bagder | t0mas: you can select other recent builds with 11 servers to see the same effect |
| 23:16:56 | t0mas | that's a never done build |
| 23:17:04 | t0mas | it reports that there is 1 build not done |
| 23:17:06 | t0mas | in the end |
| 23:17:23 | Bagder | it still shouldn't claim such a server name |
| 23:17:33 | Bagder | but yeah, I've noticed that too |
| 23:17:37 | t0mas | I'll change it |
| 23:18:48 | t0mas | sleep(10) = 10 seconds of waiting in perl? |
| 23:18:53 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:19:07 | Bagder | "perldoc -f sleep" |
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| 23:20:02 | t0mas | hm... can I read access a var in perl without synchronizing with other threads? |
| 23:20:15 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 23:21:43 | godzirra | So out of curiousity, how do I set the time on rockbox? |
| 23:21:48 | godzirra | Its off by like 30 minutes =) |
| 23:21:59 | preglow | t0mas: what perl version? |
| 23:22:08 | t0mas | new enough for the new thread version |
| 23:22:14 | preglow | ahh, ok |
| 23:22:26 | preglow | yeah, i believe you can |
| 23:22:39 | t0mas | I tought I have read about it too |
| 23:22:43 | t0mas | but I'm not sure... |
| 23:23:13 | Mikachu | godzirra: settings etc etc set time |
| 23:23:18 | t0mas | ok, nasty one... |
| 23:23:24 | t0mas | can I use some goto like thing in perl? |
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| 23:24:19 | godzirra | I really wish it would stop resetting my wps. |
| 23:24:20 | godzirra | sigh. |
| 23:24:47 | godzirra | back to rebooting endlessly with a wall charger. |
| 23:24:48 | Bagder | t0mas: there's a goto |
| 23:24:58 | t0mas | yeah, how do I set a lable? |
| 23:24:59 | t0mas | like basic? |
| 23:25:52 | Bagder | I don't remember basic nor how goto in perl works, but I would expect so |
| 23:27:10 | godzirra | Ick.. goto? |
| 23:28:02 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 23:28:03 | t0mas | found it |
| 23:28:09 | * | t0mas is in a hacker mood |
| 23:28:14 | preglow | goto works fine in perl |
| 23:28:21 | preglow | labels are used in lots of contexts |
| 23:28:36 | preglow | they're nice for nested while loops |
| 23:28:57 | t0mas | perl even has a special goto statement |
| 23:29:01 | t0mas | called "redo" |
| 23:29:10 | t0mas | to redo a loop :) |
| 23:29:45 | t0mas | Bagder: servers now wait in a loop untill the builds are done |
| 23:30:03 | t0mas | reporting their waiting status instead of the done state |
| 23:30:15 | | Part yeahx |
| 23:30:19 | t0mas | we might want to change it... so only servers with not done targets wait... but that's far more work |
| 23:30:23 | t0mas | with no practical effect |
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| 23:31:01 | Bagder | well a server can take another server's failed build, can't it? |
| 23:31:31 | t0mas | no, sorry... |
| 23:31:38 | b00st | is david dent here? |
| 23:31:42 | t0mas | I meant that only servers capable of building some still left target should wait |
| 23:31:49 | Bagder | ah, ok |
| 23:31:51 | t0mas | no use for an ARM only server to wait when all arm targets are done |
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| 23:32:02 | t0mas | but hey... no practical benefit from that... just looks better :) |
| 23:32:03 | Bagder | still no big deal |
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| 23:32:28 | t0mas | where can I see the running log? still just dbglog? |
| 23:32:33 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:32:39 | t0mas | ok |
| 23:32:45 | t0mas | I've setup some server to do sh1 builds |
| 23:32:45 | Bagder | it moves it when a build is completed |
| 23:32:47 | t0mas | while it can't do that |
| 23:32:54 | preglow | 7.3 seconds per build is completely respectable |
| 23:33:09 | Mikachu | do you rebuild even if the commit was in manual/? |
| 23:33:11 | Bagder | I think we can officially say that we don't want P3 cpus |
| 23:33:14 | Bagder | in the farm |
| 23:33:22 | Bagder | Mikachu: no |
| 23:33:23 | preglow | too slow? |
| 23:33:26 | * | t0mas cries out loud |
| 23:33:28 | Bagder | preglow: yes |
| 23:33:39 | t0mas | p3 SMP 2x800 mhz iirc... |
| 23:33:44 | t0mas | my testing server |
| 23:33:52 | Bagder | well a dual p3 could be fine |
| 23:33:56 | t0mas | might even be 900 ;) |
| 23:34:06 | preglow | why not just time a build and see |
| 23:34:06 | preglow | ? |
| 23:34:12 | t0mas | indeed |
| 23:34:13 | Bagder | exactly |
| 23:34:17 | t0mas | idle P3's can be fast... |
| 23:34:22 | | Quit tianjing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:34:26 | Bagder | a 500Mhz p3 takes some 4-500 seconds |
| 23:34:30 | t0mas | busy dual xeons can be quite slow :) |
| 23:34:34 | preglow | ouch |
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| 23:34:54 | t0mas | well... not just state "we don't want them" |
| 23:35:04 | t0mas | but do ask some questions before setting up new ones |
| 23:35:30 | Bagder | nah, I rather set a limit. a single P3? no thanks |
| 23:35:41 | t0mas | ok |
| 23:35:48 | Bagder | for my own simplicity |
| 23:35:52 | * | t0mas spots something bad in the logs :) |
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| 23:36:06 | t0mas | your failure detection part... it reports a missing zip file |
| 23:36:10 | t0mas | but doesn't try to rebuild |
| 23:36:28 | Bagder | wasn't sure how far I'd go force rebuilds |
| 23:36:33 | t0mas | ah |
| 23:37:19 | Bagder | I can see a need for some kind of protection for the case where all servers fail |
| 23:37:32 | t0mas | *kuch* |
| 23:37:33 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
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| 23:37:44 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:38:01 | Bagder | need to rebuild on failed zip then I guess |
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| 23:38:19 | t0mas | yes, I think so |
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| 23:39:03 | t0mas | will you edit? |
| 23:39:21 | Bagder | you go ahead |
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| 23:40:00 | b00st | hmm ipod_unplug.patch error on this one |
| 23:40:21 | b00st | hunk #1 failed at 3830 |
| 23:40:26 | t0mas | Bagder: those ld errors... didn't get a rebuild |
| 23:40:29 | t0mas | on what condition? |
| 23:40:32 | b00st | any coder of this here? |
| 23:40:57 | obo | b00st: yup |
| 23:41:36 | obo | anymore details about the failure? |
| 23:41:38 | Bagder | t0mas: what you said, it doesn't rebuild when it failed getting a zip |
| 23:41:52 | t0mas | no... |
| 23:41:59 | t0mas | you check for a build to finish |
| 23:42:01 | b00st | could make a screenshot |
| 23:42:08 | t0mas | that should report a failed build |
| 23:42:25 | obo | b00st: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 23:42:42 | Bagder | t0mas: the build finishes fine |
| 23:42:50 | t0mas | oooh wait |
| 23:42:52 | t0mas | ld errors |
| 23:43:00 | t0mas | those are real errors... |
| 23:43:12 | t0mas | might be caused by some cvs commit |
| 23:43:17 | Bagder | ah, yes |
| 23:43:37 | * | t0mas goes to find something else to test |
| 23:43:49 | godzirra | Anyone have the link handy that shows how to rebuild your itunes database? :) |
| 23:43:53 | Bagder | and in fact the lack of a zip can also happen in legit case |
| 23:43:58 | Bagder | in a |
| 23:44:11 | herz42 | hmm, think I know the reason for the 'backlight is always on if switched off' problem on ipods |
| 23:44:14 | godzirra | nevermind.. found it :) |
| 23:44:21 | b00st | obo: http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2680/hunk9hv.jpg |
| 23:44:32 | b00st | takes too long for me to type.. |
| 23:44:35 | b00st | :D |
| 23:45:19 | herz42 | gcc for arm doesn't have -fsigned-char, so the -1 in the table for off gets 255 -> timeout of 4+min |
| 23:45:48 | obo | hehe - okay, I guess it's failing after the commit at 21:20 - give me a minute or two and I'll re-do it |
| 23:46:21 | preglow | herz42: the arm char is signed by default, afaik |
| 23:46:31 | herz42 | but if it is changed to signed, another recently introduced bug is revealed: keypresses don't work anymore if the backlight is statically switched off (that should be the case for other targets also) |
| 23:46:32 | t0mas | Bagder: I've just made farsan.haxx.se fail a h120sim |
| 23:46:39 | b00st | ok |
| 23:46:48 | t0mas | it should be rebuild by the first servers that looks for sdl builds |
| 23:46:49 | b00st | powermanagement_20060316.patch is also failing now... |
| 23:46:53 | herz42 | preglow: I have changed to signed and backlight goes dark... |
| 23:47:06 | godzirra | Is there a way to boot into the ipod firmwarE? (normal firmware, not emergency disk mode?) |
| 23:47:10 | preglow | perhaps that's where our current backlight bug stems from |
| 23:47:17 | herz42 | exactly |
| 23:47:53 | herz42 | but when fixed, only scrolling works on ipod (and long keypresses) , no normal pushing anymore |
| 23:47:54 | b00st | sees, that there is something changed with english.lang |
| 23:48:16 | godzirra | anyone know? |
| 23:48:18 | b00st | same with the unplug patch.. |
| 23:48:19 | Mikachu | b00st: open english.lang and english.lang.rej in an editor |
| 23:48:28 | b00st | k |
| 23:48:31 | herz42 | what is caused by "if (!remote_filter_first_keypress || is_remote_backlight_on()" in button.c |
| 23:48:42 | obo | godzirra: hold menu as the apple logo appears |
| 23:48:57 | godzirra | thanks |
| 23:49:28 | b00st | and than mikachu? |
| 23:49:36 | Mikachu | i was hoping it would be obvious |
| 23:50:03 | b00st | u know, im a noob still :D |
| 23:51:14 | b00st | and ther eis no lang.rej |
| 23:51:57 | b00st | only the original |
| 23:52:20 | Mikachu | right, look in the .patch instead |
| 23:52:25 | b00st | maybe cuz i did −−dry-run? |
| 23:52:29 | b00st | ok |
| 23:52:29 | Mikachu | and just add the lines starting with a + |
| 23:52:35 | Mikachu | but remove the + |
| 23:52:43 | t0mas | Bagder: while having killed 2 builds... it still made it |
| 23:52:50 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 23:52:53 | t0mas | only in a bit longer time |
| 23:52:55 | Bagder | neato |
| 23:53:10 | t0mas | but |
| 23:53:13 | t0mas | with some bugs left |
| 23:53:30 | t0mas | 176 Server rbclient@www.haxx.se finished, but 2 builds left. Sleep and recheck. |
| 23:53:30 | t0mas | 181 Server rbclient@www.haxx.se done (DBG left=0). |
| 23:53:43 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:53:50 | t0mas | 303 Server rbclient@byzantium.homedns.org finished, but 1 builds left. Sleep and recheck. |
| 23:54:01 | godzirra | Ack! Anyone have a copy of foobar 2000 0.8? |
| 23:54:03 | | Part yeahx |
| 23:54:07 | t0mas | so at T + 181 there were no builds left... |
| 23:54:08 | godzirra | I can only find 0.9 and foo_pod wont work with 0.9 |
| 23:54:13 | t0mas | and at T + 303 we had 1 left |
| 23:54:19 | b00st | mikachu: there are no lines with +a in front |
| 23:54:26 | b00st | i searched for it |
| 23:54:40 | Mikachu | hm, is it a patch with lots of < and >? |
| 23:54:51 | Mikachu | they're impossible to read imo |
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| 23:54:58 | OPP | hello |
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| 23:55:01 | b00st | no, not really |
| 23:55:03 | OPP | anyone here working with X5 |
| 23:55:12 | Mikachu | well, going to bed now |
| 23:55:14 | Bagder | t0mas: that's because the last failure occured at 300 |
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| 23:55:31 | OPP | i just want to know if the X5 will have no file limit and ID3 tag databasing |
| 23:55:31 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 23:55:34 | b00st | ok, thx anyways, gn8 |
| 23:55:46 | * | t0mas edits |
| 23:55:51 | b00st | maybe there will be some fixes tomororrow |
| 23:56:34 | b00st | im away too...tomorrow guys and good night |
| 23:56:48 | OPP | bye |
| 23:56:50 | | Quit b00st () |
| 23:57:14 | t0mas | Bagder: fixed |
| 23:57:23 | t0mas | it only counts them as done when they really are done |
| 23:57:42 | linuxstb | OPP: Rockbox no file limit and ID3 tag databasing - so the X5 port will as well. |
| 23:57:47 | Bagder | well, it makes sense to show how many there are in the queue to build as well |
| 23:58:02 | Bagder | which it then showed before |
| 23:58:04 | Bagder | but nevermind |
| 23:58:10 | OPP | k just making sure, thanks linuxstb |
| 23:58:20 | OPP | keep up the good work |
| 23:58:31 | * | t0mas goes to bed |
| 23:58:38 | t0mas | c u tomorrow |
| 23:58:43 | Bagder | gd'night |
| 23:58:58 | OPP | i cant wait for id3 databasing my x5 looks messy |
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