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| 00:00:55 | XavierGr | sharpe: I always have my right hand cold when I am on my PC. But if I raise the room temprature I can retrieve my hand. Very annoying at times |
| 00:01:16 | XavierGr | (wow that sounded like I lost my hand) |
| 00:01:21 | | Quit PhR3aK ("get satisfied! :: (Gamers.IRC) www.gamersirc.net ::") |
| 00:01:29 | sharpe | lol |
| 00:01:53 | sharpe | when i got home i spent like, half an hour just making sounds... |
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| 00:02:04 | sharpe | then i had an idea or two for the cpu emulator. |
| 00:02:31 | sharpe | completely unrelated events, but that's how it happened... |
| 00:02:36 | sharpe | i'll get back to work now. |
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| 00:02:52 | XavierGr | making sounds? |
| 00:02:59 | XavierGr | what sorts of sounds? |
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| 00:03:44 | sharpe | one time i got a high pitch screaming sound. |
| 00:03:58 | sharpe | was cool |
| 00:04:36 | XavierGr | haha |
| 00:04:57 | XavierGr | At least you don't fart like others when thinking ROFLMAO |
| 00:05:07 | sharpe | lol |
| 00:05:19 | sharpe | i have almost no taste buds right now |
| 00:05:34 | XavierGr | :D |
| 00:05:46 | sharpe | and last night my tongue somewhat bled because of it |
| 00:05:48 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/2remotes_t.jpg |
| 00:06:02 | Bagder | a little comparsion h1x0 vs x5 with remotes |
| 00:06:15 | sharpe | damn you willy wonka and your delectible shocktarts! |
| 00:06:15 | XavierGr | Bagder: wanna compete? |
| 00:06:16 | Mikachu | the thing on the x5 is pretty small |
| 00:06:29 | Moos | Bagder: the X5 remote is really great indeed |
| 00:06:39 | Bagder | XavierGr: compete? |
| 00:07:00 | Moos | complete |
| 00:07:03 | Bagder | at least the screen itself |
| 00:07:39 | * | ender` finds it funny that h1x0 remote has more buttons than the main unit |
| 00:07:43 | Moos | yes the buttons sucks a bit |
| 00:08:06 | Moos | but the screen is so cool :) |
| 00:08:16 | XavierGr | w8 |
| 00:08:18 | Bagder | I haven't really used it yet ;-) |
| 00:08:26 | Bagder | I need rockbox to support it |
| 00:08:41 | Moos | hehe :), I tested it a bit |
| 00:08:50 | Mikachu | what do they cost in sweden? |
| 00:09:05 | sharpe | whoops, that would have been bad. |
| 00:09:09 | Moos | Bagder: let's hope we will go to grayscale way in Rockbox |
| 00:09:14 | ender` | how hard would it be for the h120 bootloader to print something to remote when starting up? it's hard to see that the unit turned on during the day otherwise |
| 00:09:22 | Bagder | Moos: of course |
| 00:09:33 | Bagder | Mikachu: you mean the x5 ? |
| 00:09:35 | sharpe | about halfway through of the add with carry commands, i forgot to tell it to add to the 'a' register... would've been funny... |
| 00:09:35 | Moos | that will be fun |
| 00:09:39 | Mikachu | Bagder: yeah |
| 00:10:03 | XavierGr | Bagder: http://www.illhostit.com/files/7225382924675050/Pic%20(2).jpg |
| 00:10:24 | Bagder | Mikachu: they sell x5v 20gb for just above 2000 SEK |
| 00:10:26 | XavierGr | Show off! |
| 00:10:33 | XavierGr | ( I mean me) |
| 00:10:37 | Mikachu | okay |
| 00:10:56 | Bagder | and I thought my picture was blurry... :-) |
| 00:11:00 | * | Moos paid 400 euros for X5 60gb+remote+case+conversion dollars/euros from New York |
| 00:11:25 | XavierGr | Bagder: I took it with my crappy k500 phone. I don't have a Digital Camera |
| 00:11:30 | preglow | x5 out of stock already? |
| 00:11:35 | Moos | iaudios are expensive in europe |
| 00:11:39 | Bagder | no |
| 00:11:44 | Bagder | they sell x5s all over |
| 00:11:51 | Bagder | at least in Sweden |
| 00:11:59 | preglow | oooh, another current port |
| 00:12:03 | Moos | preglow: Cowan/iaudio planed to stop X5 60 prduction really soon |
| 00:12:04 | * | ender` paid ~390euros for his ihp-120 |
| 00:12:29 | * | XavierGr paid 450 for both H340 and H140 |
| 00:12:32 | * | Mikachu paid 0 for his nano |
| 00:12:35 | XavierGr | I mean each |
| 00:12:39 | XavierGr | wow |
| 00:12:42 | XavierGr | how come? |
| 00:12:44 | * | Moos paid 400 euros for his iHP-140 more than 2years ago |
| 00:13:01 | ender` | mine was almost exactly 2 years ago |
| 00:13:01 | Bagder | x5 60GB costs 4800 SEK here |
| 00:13:17 | Moos | how much euros please? :) |
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| 00:13:36 | ender` | google 4800sek in euro |
| 00:13:38 | Mikachu | Moos: sek to euros is almost divide 10 |
| 00:13:40 | Bagder | ~500 euros |
| 00:13:45 | ender` | =4 800 Swedish kronor = 513.260848 Euro |
| 00:13:46 | Moos | ok |
| 00:13:46 | ]RowaN[ | whats all this about doom i see in the wiki? |
| 00:14:01 | Moos | yeah X5 products are a lot expensiver than USA ones |
| 00:14:02 | Bagder | ]RowaN[: its a game |
| 00:14:04 | Bagder | ;-] |
| 00:14:07 | XavierGr | oh and I forgot to mention that soon I will have an H115 in my collection for free!!! |
| 00:14:12 | * | webguest48 paid £200 for his ihp-120 1.5 years ago |
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| 00:14:30 | Bagder | I certainly won't claim an extensive mp3 player collection |
| 00:14:33 | XavierGr | I am lucky winner in a MR subscriber contest! |
| 00:14:43 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 00:14:44 | preglow | i have two players :> |
| 00:15:06 | Mikachu | is Dragon the guy with all the broken players/recorders? |
| 00:15:11 | preglow | yea |
| 00:15:13 | XavierGr | I have 2 (+1) I should be a dev :D haha |
| 00:15:30 | Bagder | no, you should send your players to devs ;-] |
| 00:15:37 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 00:15:44 | XavierGr | lol |
| 00:15:45 | ]RowaN[ | badger: any more info than that? like i guess i need to put the wad somewhere? |
| 00:15:55 | Moos | 3 here (Ondio for flsah MMC support, H1xx cause the best DAP for audio and X5 60 gb) |
| 00:16:03 | Moos | hahaha XD |
| 00:16:04 | Bagder | ]RowaN[: I'm not very good at the details |
| 00:16:06 | XavierGr | "/games/doom" |
| 00:16:23 | ]RowaN[ | does it run good on ihp120? =] |
| 00:16:37 | ]RowaN[ | i'll stick to my dsLite for games i think |
| 00:16:38 | XavierGr | noooo |
| 00:16:51 | Mikachu | "does it run well?", "good" is an adjective |
| 00:16:55 | XavierGr | yes |
| 00:17:02 | XavierGr | quite impressing I could say |
| 00:17:11 | XavierGr | more fast than rockboxy |
| 00:17:21 | XavierGr | I mean faster |
| 00:17:22 | ender` | doom works on h120? |
| 00:17:22 | ]RowaN[ | Mikachu: thanks for the tip. i have now discarded it |
| 00:17:32 | XavierGr | ender: no |
| 00:17:40 | ender` | will it? |
| 00:17:41 | Moos | Bagder: have you tested Doom on X5 yet? Ididn't yet |
| 00:17:45 | * | Bagder updated the rockbox.org frontpage |
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| 00:17:54 | Moos | wow |
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| 00:18:01 | XavierGr | I doubt, though you never know what amiconn can do. |
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| 00:18:33 | Moos | yeah grayscal doom maybe |
| 00:18:39 | miner49er | sorry, i'm very forgettful, can someone tell me how to do a trace out to the console window for the rockboxui please? |
| 00:18:45 | Bagder | Moos: it should work but might need some tweaking for the resolution (x5 doom) |
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| 00:19:06 | Moos | Bagder: I'll test I was just curious |
| 00:19:08 | Bagder | miner49er: you can "tail -f" on the file it creates |
| 00:19:09 | XavierGr | good night all. I think I should hit the sack |
| 00:19:11 | Moos | Hello hardeep ! |
| 00:19:29 | Moos | NIghty XavierGr |
| 00:19:34 | XavierGr | Moos if you test it now please tell me. I am curious too. |
| 00:19:36 | hardeep | hello |
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| 00:20:00 | Moos | Xavier: I don't know yet how get .wad thing |
| 00:20:21 | XavierGr | you can find them on kkbjurn's post on MR |
| 00:20:22 | XavierGr | w8 |
| 00:20:48 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36364 |
| 00:20:59 | Moos | hardeep: I had spoted one bug for you but that was few weeks ago, don't remenber well how to repoduce it, that was about the warn for playlist change thing |
| 00:21:11 | Moos | XavierGr: thanks I'll check now |
| 00:21:16 | XavierGr | alamode.mines.edu/~kkurbjun/prboom.wad |
| 00:21:25 | XavierGr | the prboom.was |
| 00:21:34 | Moos | hardeep: let me few minutes and I'll refind it again |
| 00:21:35 | hardeep | Moos: let me know when you remember it =) |
| 00:21:37 | XavierGr | both on the same folder. /games/doom |
| 00:21:41 | Moos | XavierGr: ok |
| 00:21:50 | Moos | hardeep: ok I will :) |
| 00:21:54 | * | linuxstb wonders why he wrote the PluginDoom page... |
| 00:21:55 | Mikachu | you should be able to find shareware wads (maybe registered too) on google if you don't have them |
| 00:22:16 | Moos | linuxstb: oops sorry :( |
| 00:22:21 | XavierGr | Moos: note: not on the .rockbox directory, but in your root |
| 00:22:36 | Mikachu | linuxstb: so you can say omg rtfm to people who ask! |
| 00:22:39 | Moos | linuxstb: that page was recent I assume :) |
| 00:22:47 | Moos | XavierGr: ok |
| 00:23:14 | linuxstb | :) I wrote it about 4 hours ago - shortly after committing Doom to CVS. |
| 00:23:31 | Moos | hehe :-) |
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| 00:26:30 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 00:27:36 | sharpe | wow, it would be so easier if i just used define statements. |
| 00:27:43 | sharpe | i think that's what i'll do. |
| 00:29:37 | amiconn | My, arm has an extensive instruction set. Does look less RISC to me than coldfire... |
| 00:29:44 | miner49er | nobody wants to help me print stuff out to the console then? I only want to see what the relationship between current_tick and the values passed to sleep() is? |
| 00:30:16 | sharpe | i've no expierence with coldfire... |
| 00:30:42 | sharpe | experience. |
| 00:30:43 | Bagder | miner49er: you can "tail -f" on the file it creates |
| 00:30:56 | Bagder | as I said |
| 00:31:28 | XavierGr | Moos: Does it work I want to sleep! :) |
| 00:31:31 | preglow | amiconn: it doesn't really have many instructions |
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| 00:31:37 | preglow | amiconn: but each instruction can do much |
| 00:31:39 | amiconn | clz ... |
| 00:31:45 | preglow | amiconn: we don't have that |
| 00:31:55 | preglow | i wish we did, but no |
| 00:32:00 | preglow | thats an armv5 feature, i think |
| 00:32:10 | amiconn | mmyes |
| 00:32:16 | Nv | hi all |
| 00:32:20 | Moos | XavierGr: I'm on the process |
| 00:32:38 | preglow | clz is really nice for a lot of codecs |
| 00:32:45 | preglow | and for huffman decoding, i think |
| 00:32:49 | | Part Nv |
| 00:33:21 | | Quit ender` (" Drive defensively. Buy a tank.") |
| 00:33:36 | ]RowaN[ | hmm.. doom support before midi support.. =/ |
| 00:33:41 | hicks008 | how do i install rockbox on my x5? |
| 00:34:20 | sharpe | first, you need... |
| 00:34:31 | Bagder | hicks008: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot#Installation |
| 00:34:51 | | Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) |
| 00:34:53 | BoD[] | herm... is there a problem there : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g ? |
| 00:34:59 | sharpe | a hammer, a rock, two gallons of jello, a roll of duct tape, and a penny with a hole the size of a dime in it. |
| 00:34:59 | BoD[] | (can't see any picture) |
| 00:35:21 | Bagder | BoD[]: the split of the wps gallery page is still not completed |
| 00:35:33 | Bagder | so there are many links there that aren't updated |
| 00:35:44 | Mikachu | sharpe: well we have plenty of .rocks |
| 00:36:04 | BoD[] | ah ok |
| 00:36:20 | Bagder | ]RowaN[: well, I bet more people want doom than want midi so it makes sense to me |
| 00:36:21 | BoD[] | I just finished a new theme... I'll upload it later |
| 00:36:54 | Bagder | if what people wants even matter |
| 00:37:14 | Mikachu | it matters if said people can write code :) |
| 00:37:20 | sharpe | god, i hope i got that indexing method right. |
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| 00:37:35 | Bagder | Mikachu: very true! ;-) |
| 00:37:46 | sharpe | (Indirect X) : memory[((memory[pcounter++] + x) & 0x00FF)] | (memory[(((memory[pcounter++] + x) & 0x00FF)+1)] << 4) |
| 00:38:09 | sharpe | because i feel like cramming it all into one define statement... |
| 00:38:09 | Bagder | I say unnecessary complex |
| 00:38:26 | sharpe | that's how it accesses a part of memory apparantly. |
| 00:38:36 | sharpe | the indirect way anyway. |
| 00:38:47 | Bagder | and using the pcounter++ on two palces within the same expression is not good C |
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| 00:39:08 | sharpe | eh. |
| 00:39:26 | preglow | Bagder: not only isn't it good c, it's a prime example of a spot begging for obscure bugs |
| 00:39:31 | Mikachu | it may not even work |
| 00:39:31 | Bagder | amen |
| 00:39:33 | sharpe | i like bugs |
| 00:39:45 | Bagder | rather, it _may_ work |
| 00:39:46 | sharpe | they're unoffical... unplanned... excused features. |
| 00:39:56 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:39:59 | preglow | i hope you like the ones that require you to disassemble the code to understand them |
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| 00:40:11 | sharpe | the favorite kind. |
| 00:40:17 | preglow | then you'll be alright |
| 00:40:19 | Bagder | and change when you update compiler ;-) |
| 00:40:24 | sharpe | okay fine, i'll change it, heh... |
| 00:40:34 | preglow | i did that o0nce |
| 00:40:52 | preglow | spent a couple of hours scratching my head before someone kindly told me that what i was doing was begging for trouble |
| 00:41:16 | linuxstb | sharpe: Make it a static inline function instead. |
| 00:41:39 | Bagder | static inlines are good |
| 00:41:45 | sharpe | i was thinking about that... |
| 00:41:50 | * | linuxstb curses kkurbjun for switching from doom to prboom... |
| 00:42:04 | preglow | what was the point of it? |
| 00:42:17 | Paprica | someone could help me in scaling? =\ |
| 00:42:19 | * | BoD[] needs to sleep |
| 00:42:23 | BoD[] | but compiling :) |
| 00:42:25 | sharpe | point of what? |
| 00:42:27 | preglow | Paprica: what scaling? |
| 00:42:31 | preglow | sharpe: switching to prboonm |
| 00:42:32 | linuxstb | preglow: Support for a wide range of wads iirc. |
| 00:42:35 | Paprica | scaling bitmap.. |
| 00:42:45 | BoD[] | woops |
| 00:42:46 | sharpe | ooh |
| 00:42:48 | linuxstb | s/wide/wider/ |
| 00:42:50 | preglow | Paprica: for what? albumart? |
| 00:42:51 | Mikachu | isn't prboom the one team tnt wrote? |
| 00:43:22 | BoD[] | build fails |
| 00:43:24 | Paprica | yep, i have a little problem... |
| 00:43:25 | BoD[] | in doom |
| 00:43:26 | austriancoder | what kind of files do i need to play doom? |
| 00:43:31 | preglow | scaling a bitmap at those sizes is bound to look like a bag of shit, unless you do bilinear interpolation |
| 00:44:06 | Bagder | austriancoder: PluginDoom is your friend |
| 00:44:46 | Moos | not working yet |
| 00:44:47 | Paprica | preglow, i know, but its nice to have it |
| 00:44:50 | Paprica | coul you help? |
| 00:44:51 | Moos | I'm testing |
| 00:44:53 | Paprica | =\ |
| 00:44:59 | Moos | retesting |
| 00:45:10 | austriancoder | Bagder: thanks.. lets see if my button mappings work |
| 00:45:13 | preglow | anyway, i've gotta go to bed |
| 00:45:13 | | Part arf-arf |
| 00:45:15 | preglow | later all |
| 00:45:18 | Paprica | oh |
| 00:45:20 | Paprica | night |
| 00:45:35 | BoD[] | f*ck it's very very late |
| 00:45:53 | XavierGr | indeeed |
| 00:46:26 | webguest48 | Mikachu: That seems to be plain Boom |
| 00:46:47 | Mikachu | ? |
| 00:46:49 | BoD[] | and cygwin compiling is slooooooow |
| 00:46:53 | webguest48 | The one team tnt wrote |
| 00:47:02 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 00:47:15 | BoD[] | and it's only wendesday |
| 00:47:17 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:47:19 | amiconn | preglow: Why not bicubic interpolation? ;) |
| 00:47:22 | XavierGr | bye-bye all ad goodnight! |
| 00:47:23 | Moos | Bagder, austriancoder: doom not working on X5 |
| 00:47:37 | Moos | yet :-) |
| 00:47:43 | hicks008 | hey bagder thanks for the info. what is the iAudio X5V |
| 00:47:51 | austriancoder | Moos: lets see.. i got main menu of plugin |
| 00:48:06 | Moos | go to play and you will see :) |
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| 00:48:22 | Mikachu | doomsday is a pretty good engine if you're on a computer, but i doubt it ports well to daps since it uses gl |
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| 00:48:51 | austriancoder | Moos: ah okay |
| 00:49:08 | Moos | first attempt baclight goes off frozen |
| 00:49:18 | sharpe | why do there have to be so many addressing modes for the 6502? |
| 00:49:29 | Moos | ac: 2nd attemp frozen in initialisation |
| 00:49:41 | * | Cassandra finishes coating her iPod in plastic. |
| 00:49:53 | Moos | Congrates :) |
| 00:49:59 | Cassandra | That was a lot of effort, but I think it will look good when it's set. |
| 00:50:18 | Cassandra | (and stay looking good, which is the point, of course.) |
| 00:50:28 | sharpe | it'd be kind of funny if... |
| 00:50:32 | sharpe | wait, nevermind. |
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| 00:50:47 | austriancoder | Moos: i hang at ST_Init: Init status bar. |
| 00:50:59 | Moos | like the one I had yep |
| 00:51:07 | Mikachu | i wonder if a cd disc repair kit would help on a scratched ipod? |
| 00:51:16 | Moos | ac: firts try or second one? |
| 00:51:29 | Cassandra | You can buy scratch repairer for iPods, so I imagine so. |
| 00:51:36 | austriancoder | Moos: second one |
| 00:51:43 | Cassandra | Can't imagine they're that different. |
| 00:51:44 | Moos | like here |
| 00:51:44 | sharpe | heh, it's funny that i have a function 'indirecty' |
| 00:52:10 | Moos | ac: you found what can you do then :-) |
| 00:52:27 | Cassandra | Downsides of this plastic are that you lose that lovely cold metal feel, and the matte effect on the clickwheel. |
| 00:52:42 | * | austriancoder looks through doom source |
| 00:52:49 | Moos | Cool ! |
| 00:53:04 | BoD[] | ANYWAY dodo time ! |
| 00:53:08 | BoD[] | byebye all ! |
| 00:53:16 | Moos | dodo time here too |
| 00:53:22 | Moos | bonne nuit BoB |
| 00:53:23 | | Nick BoD[] is now known as BoD[ZZZzzz] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) |
| 00:53:27 | Moos | BoD |
| 00:53:28 | Cassandra | But now I have an iPod you could use to fly a helicopter with or something. |
| 00:53:37 | BoD[ZZZzzz] | :) bonne nuit |
| 00:53:39 | Mikachu | Cassandra: i found some more specific ones for cell phones and pdas etc, maybe i'll try one when it gets worse |
| 00:53:41 | Moos | Good night at all |
| 00:54:02 | Cassandra | The one I've seen is on www.theinvisibleshield.com |
| 00:54:04 | Moos | ac: please let us know your progress |
| 00:54:07 | | Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") |
| 00:54:12 | Cassandra | It's called Apple Sauce. |
| 00:55:12 | Cassandra | I still want to know how I managed to get a small scratch on the back of my iPod despite not having had it outside of a protective case for more than 5 minutes in all the time I've owned it. *sigh* |
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| 00:55:35 | sharpe | i should use a table for the cycle times... |
| 00:55:38 | Mikachu | i think they planted small timed nano charges on it that blows up and create scratches |
| 00:55:49 | sharpe | when exposed to air |
| 00:55:50 | webguest48 | A single scratch is pretty much the worst thing that can happen |
| 00:55:56 | Cassandra | That would make sense, yes. |
| 00:56:08 | Cassandra | webguest48, it's only a small dot, but I know it's there. |
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| 00:56:32 | webguest48 | Yeah, if it had a thousand scratches, it'd just look worn, and that'd be okay |
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| 00:56:42 | webguest48 | but one, single, tiny scratch is just.. horrible |
| 00:56:56 | webguest48 | (I'm dead serious) |
| 00:57:12 | Cassandra | Ah well. Looks like a small piece of brown crap has got stuck under the shield too. |
| 00:57:15 | amiconn | This H300 lcd burst write could need more optimisation... |
| 00:57:24 | Cassandra | So maybe it's not so bad now. ;) |
| 00:57:50 | obo | Cassandra: www.agent18.com - not very subtle, but it works :) |
| 00:58:07 | Cassandra | webguest48, it is kind of sad, especially given that I've spent about a fifth of the cost of the iPod on trying to keep it scratch free. |
| 00:58:18 | amiconn | Why oh why didn't I use long reads for the leading/trailing pixels... |
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| 00:58:56 | * | amiconn seems lazy |
| 00:59:01 | Cassandra | obo: I think the one I got from the place I linked too above is probably better. |
| 00:59:04 | webguest48 | Does the nano screen scratch, or just the case? |
| 00:59:14 | Cassandra | Nope, the screen. |
| 00:59:18 | webguest48 | Ouch |
| 00:59:19 | Cassandra | My nano is beyond saving. |
| 00:59:31 | Mikachu | the whole thing is covered in the same material |
| 00:59:34 | Cassandra | Fortunately it was a freebie. (To me, anyway.) |
| 00:59:43 | Mikachu | i have some scratches going continuously from the white onto the screen |
| 00:59:59 | webguest48 | makes sense I guess |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:08 | Mikachu | somehow the metal backside also scratches easily |
| 01:00:22 | Mikachu | you would think they could find a metal that didn't scratch |
| 01:00:30 | Cassandra | At least my screen still appears pristine. |
| 01:00:37 | Cassandra | And should now stay that way too. |
| 01:01:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | My screen has one deep scratch about 2/3 of the way across it, almost diagonally |
| 01:01:03 | amiconn | Mikachu: The metal backside also scratches??? |
| 01:01:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's the *only* scratch on my nano |
| 01:01:07 | Mikachu | amiconn: sure |
| 01:01:18 | amiconn | What metal is that?? |
| 01:01:24 | Mikachu | must be a natrium compound :P |
| 01:01:30 | Cassandra | amicon: The whole thing scratches like a biatch. |
| 01:01:44 | Mikachu | the hold button and the wheel don't have any scratches |
| 01:02:07 | * | amiconn hopes that anodised aluminium doesn't scratch *that* easily |
| 01:02:15 | Cassandra | Oh, and did we mention the problem with finger prints. |
| 01:02:55 | | Part obo |
| 01:03:02 | Cassandra | Ipods sure look cool. Keeping them looking cool is bloody hard though. |
| 01:03:13 | Mikachu | heh, wiping off the finger prints always gives more scratches too |
| 01:03:14 | kclaf | heh |
| 01:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I swear you can scuff it with a soft cotton cloth. |
| 01:03:35 | kclaf | i bought an iskin recently it's quite good |
| 01:03:42 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: that gives scratches though |
| 01:03:48 | Mikachu | anything that isn't vacuum will scratch it |
| 01:03:55 | kclaf | it makes the ipod bigger and heavier but i dont really care |
| 01:04:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: scuffing is a negative thing. |
| 01:04:28 | Mikachu | ah |
| 01:04:30 | Cassandra | So far, I'd recommend InvisibleShield, although installation is somewhat fiddly. |
| 01:04:37 | Cassandra | We'll see how it ages though. |
| 01:04:44 | Mikachu | is invisibleshield the plastic coating thing? |
| 01:05:15 | Cassandra | kclaf, I hated my iSkin. Made a lovely stick piece of electronics look cheap and tacky. |
| 01:05:22 | Cassandra | Mikachu, yeah. |
| 01:05:23 | Ironhand | for someone who knows a bit about the X5 and doesn't mind answering an offtopic question: where are the various elements of the firmware located? is the usb mass storage + firmware upgrade code seperated from the media player code so that firmware can still be re-flashed after an upgrade gone wrong? also, does any of the default firmware code absolutely require certain files to be on the harddisk? |
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| 01:05:58 | kclaf | heh cassandra that's true, but the ipod is mainly acting as a jukebox for my car and when it's not, it's in my pocket |
| 01:06:13 | amiconn | Slasheri: 'View tagcache info: -1 %' ?? |
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| 01:06:24 | Cassandra | kclaf, well quite. It's how it sounds and the form factor that are the important things. |
| 01:06:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: Slasheri told me that was because dircache isn't enabled - so it doesn't know how many files there are to do. |
| 01:06:48 | Cassandra | But the iSkin also makes it bulkier. Something else that's not so much of a factor with the InvisibleShield. |
| 01:06:48 | linuxstb | s/do/go/ |
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| 01:07:29 | Cassandra | kclaf, I'll happily sell you my iSkin though. |
| 01:07:38 | scottder | I got a great little aluminum case for mine... |
| 01:07:42 | * | Cassandra grins. |
| 01:07:55 | scottder | for my nano I should say |
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| 01:09:20 | Cassandra | I should find the clip (a feature I find pretty useless, so I remove it) and pop the thing on eBay, I suppose. |
| 01:10:48 | amiconn | linuxstb, Slasheri: w/o dircache 'View tagcache info' could show the progress as # of files. Also, it still shows -1% after finishing the scan... |
| 01:11:37 | austriancoder | amiconn: is it okay to extend current codec api this way: http://nopaste.php-q.net/201649 |
| 01:11:38 | scottder | http://pdair.com/scripts/main/viewitem_v2.php?itemid=1986&pdaid=191 |
| 01:11:43 | scottder | thats what I got |
| 01:12:01 | scottder | adds suprising little to the thickness of the unit |
| 01:12:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:12:23 | Cassandra | Looks pretty nice too. |
| 01:12:44 | scottder | Yeah... |
| 01:13:03 | scottder | it's held up pretty well... |
| 01:13:27 | amiconn | I can only see songs from A through C. I though chunked browsing is implemented now? |
| 01:13:42 | kclaf | cassandra : yea I find the clip useless too, and it's true my ipod looks like a panzer tank a bit |
| 01:13:42 | amiconn | After scrolling all the way down, it hangs... |
| 01:14:56 | Cassandra | kclaf, I also love the way iSkin try to claim the fact that it attracts dirt is a feature. ;) |
| 01:15:24 | amiconn | In fact it hangs as soon as I stop scrolling through the list, regardless of position... |
| 01:15:27 | amiconn | gah... |
| 01:15:35 | scottder | "No one will want to steal a dirty ipod!" |
| 01:15:38 | kclaf | cassandra : hehe yea, nice feature |
| 01:18:17 | amiconn | Now let's see how tagcache performs on recorder... |
| 01:20:12 | amiconn | austriancoder: I'm not sure whether codecs should be allowed to access the lcd directly. Audio codecs aren't allowed to access the audio hw... |
| 01:20:14 | austriancoder | amiconn: is it okay to extend current codec api this way: http://nopaste.php-q.net/201649 |
| 01:20:38 | amiconn | Other than that, it looks okay, except that you changed some texts to dreaded UTF-8... |
| 01:21:08 | amiconn | Probably Bj½n Stenberg won't be amused... |
| 01:21:29 | austriancoder | sure.. but i dont know how to fix this issue |
| 01:21:50 | webguest48 | the paste-thing might be making it worse |
| 01:21:53 | webguest48 | probably is |
| 01:23:27 | * | webguest48 can't find iskin claiming that attracting dirt is a feature |
| 01:23:48 | linuxstb | Won't it cause lots of problems if the codec is writing to the lcd? What about the WPS and the rest of the Rockbox UI? |
| 01:24:20 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i dont know if there will be much ui if you decode a video |
| 01:25:15 | linuxstb | But Rockbox doesn't know that... It will carry on as normal display the WPS, menus etc |
| 01:25:23 | austriancoder | linuxstb: have you an other idea how to design the interface for video codecs? |
| 01:25:37 | amiconn | Showing 'Current progress: -' certainly isn't very helpful... |
| 01:26:48 | linuxstb | austriancoder: No. If I was working on video, I would write a plugin first, and only think about incorporating into the playback/codec system when it was close to working in realtime. |
| 01:27:03 | * | amiconn agrees |
| 01:27:16 | amiconn | That's what Jrg and me did for archos pcm playback... |
| 01:27:43 | amiconn | The main architectural question is: should video codecs be allowed to write directly to the lcd? |
| 01:27:54 | Mikachu | wouldn't it be faster that way? |
| 01:28:08 | austriancoder | persuaded - will make firstly a plugin |
| 01:28:33 | amiconn | Yes, but (1) you get mentioned UI problems and (2) it might be more difficult to keep audio & video in sync |
| 01:28:54 | amiconn | Audio is delayed by decoding and pcm buffering. |
| 01:29:16 | amiconn | This delay isn't fixed, and I expect video delays to be variable as well |
| 01:29:22 | linuxstb | Exactly - I think integrating video playback will a major undertaking. Best to work on the codecs first IMO. |
| 01:30:39 | * | austriancoder makes encodes some short movies with libtheora |
| 01:30:44 | amiconn | In fact it might make sense (unlike I thought earlier) to implement lcd_blit for colour targets |
| 01:31:42 | amiconn | This way video codecs could decode into a 'movie buffer' (equivalent to the pcm buffer, and the frames could then be shown with lcd_blit(), without copying mem->mem |
| 01:32:25 | austriancoder | sounds like a good idea |
| 01:32:33 | amiconn | This would then be the task of the (core or plugin) video playback engine. |
| 01:33:05 | amiconn | The video codec would just decode frames into the video frame buffer |
| 01:33:29 | amiconn | We will probably need to add timestamps to both video frames and pcm chunks |
| 01:34:04 | austriancoder | yeah.. to sync it |
| 01:34:17 | amiconn | yup |
| 01:34:37 | amiconn | Video playback should be a plugin anyway, imho |
| 01:34:49 | amiconn | It's not a main feature of a dap to play video |
| 01:35:34 | webguest48 | It doesn't really need to be anything else, does it? |
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| 01:35:44 | amiconn | Hmm, tagcache-scan of the whole disk of my recorder took 17 minutes. Not bad... |
| 01:39:15 | amiconn | Tagcache commit is sloo-ow though, 3:40 minutes. That was way faster in the first test versions... |
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| 01:44:30 | JdGordon | good morning all |
| 01:48:06 | sharpe | good late afternoon |
| 01:49:01 | webguest48 | night |
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| 01:50:51 | afruff23 | can someone please revert the WPS gallery page? |
| 01:51:03 | afruff23 | the updated version is less useful |
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| 01:52:57 | JdGordon | doom is now in cvs? |
| 01:53:13 | afruff23 | semms like it |
| 01:53:32 | afruff23 | although it appears to work only for the H3xx |
| 01:53:36 | afruff23 | according to the maker |
| 01:53:39 | JdGordon | thats good enough for me :D |
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| 01:57:41 | afruff23 | isn't there some safeguard for wikis to revert? |
| 01:57:54 | afruff23 | could someone do that for the WPS gallery page |
| 01:58:30 | afruff23 | the screenshots don't sipaly and you have to look at each model specifically |
| 01:58:55 | afruff23 | I like to look at other WPS's for other players as well to get ideas |
| 01:59:07 | Mikachu | it was split because it was getting too long |
| 01:59:38 | afruff23 | Well, could somebody fix the screenshot URLs |
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| 02:00:51 | JdGordon | its a wiki... you can do it... |
| 02:01:01 | Mikachu | all night long |
| 02:01:26 | afruff23 | but I don't know the URL's for the images |
| 02:01:34 | afruff23 | are they in the source code of the page |
| 02:02:19 | austriancoder | is there a good video processing tool for linux? |
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| 02:03:18 | Mikachu | avidemux2 is okay |
| 02:04:32 | austriancoder | Mikachu: thanks.. looks nice.. i will give it a try |
| 02:04:46 | afruff23 | I can't find the image URLs |
| 02:05:24 | afruff23 | the source code for one of the HTML files reveals that the pic for one is located in a relative folder |
| 02:05:32 | afruff23 | for the iAudio X5 one |
| 02:05:38 | afruff23 | it is /twiki/pub/Main/WpsIaudioX5/thomasv1.png |
| 02:05:52 | afruff23 | so I go to the main wpsGallery page |
| 02:06:06 | afruff23 | and paste that after the current address |
| 02:06:10 | afruff23 | and nothing comes p |
| 02:07:48 | austriancoder | good night all |
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| 02:08:00 | afruff23 | I figured it out |
| 02:08:13 | afruff23 | but I'm not going to change the URL for dozens of images |
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| 02:10:21 | ssnajper | can someone tell me how ipod 3g rockbox is moving along? |
| 02:11:07 | ssnajper | please answer and i will read the log later on |
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| 02:25:28 | goffa | hi everyone |
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| 02:25:50 | goffa | just got rockbox to boot on my iaudio.. now i have to figure out how to run it :) |
| 02:28:36 | qwm | congratulations! you've accomplished what no-one has done before you! |
| 02:28:41 | JdGordon | :) thats the fun part |
| 02:30:51 | goffa | actually linus or whatever his name has before |
| 02:31:03 | goffa | supposedly todays build has sound support |
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| 02:31:09 | goffa | jurry is still out |
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| 02:32:19 | goffa | this thing is insane even if it doesn't play music :) |
| 02:32:54 | JdGordon | haha.. how bad is the oriognal fw? |
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| 02:33:22 | markun_ | goffa: it doesn't play music for you? |
| 02:33:23 | goffa | actually orig firmware is good |
| 02:33:34 | goffa | but there's games on this now |
| 02:33:36 | goffa | doesn't seem to |
| 02:33:42 | goffa | but its probably cockpit error |
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| 02:33:57 | unhcr | hey |
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| 02:34:18 | unhcr | how did album art get incorporated into irivers builds |
| 02:34:24 | unhcr | is there a way to do that with iaudio? |
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| 02:34:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: It's just a patch at the moment |
| 02:34:47 | unhcr | ah |
| 02:34:54 | goffa | dunno... <- not a programmer just a noob :) |
| 02:35:01 | unhcr | who here works on the x5 |
| 02:35:09 | unhcr | or are they not here now |
| 02:35:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: Well, most things are rockbox as a whole, rather than hardware specific, with the exception of drivers and keymappings, mainly |
| 02:35:54 | goffa | making a playlist |
| 02:35:57 | goffa | that could help :) |
| 02:36:06 | unhcr | ah but |
| 02:36:12 | unhcr | like how did they deisgn the album art port |
| 02:36:15 | unhcr | *skin |
| 02:36:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: What exactly are you asking? Are you asking about the WPSes, or the patch that adds the feature? |
| 02:37:00 | goffa | grrr |
| 02:37:16 | unhcr | im asking about album art |
| 02:37:17 | goffa | io4:illinstr at 00000002 |
| 02:37:25 | unhcr | how does one develop it for the iaudio x5 |
| 02:38:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: So, you're asking about the album art feature. It's simple, you apply the patch to the source, and compile for X5 and see if it works. It probably *should* right out of the box, as it were |
| 02:38:25 | unhcr | ah okay |
| 02:38:30 | unhcr | well i dont know how to do that |
| 02:38:33 | unhcr | so ill ask someone in the boards to |
| 02:39:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: It's better to patch yourself, so you don't have to keep asking for updated ones. Also, the Album Art patch doesn't work since Tagcache was added, I hear. |
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| 02:39:15 | Doomed9 | hello |
| 02:41:04 | unhcr | what is Tagcache and is it on iaudios port |
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| 02:42:02 | Doomed9 | tagcache |
| 02:42:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: It's on the iAudio version yes. Most features are on all ports. It's the database. |
| 02:42:17 | Doomed9 | is sorting music by ID3 tags |
| 02:43:04 | unhcr | o |
| 02:43:06 | unhcr | well how do i test it |
| 02:43:09 | unhcr | what do i apply |
| 02:43:09 | Doomed9 | got some suggestions for that too....1) add a directory option so you dont have to switch to "ALL" 2.) list tracks in numerical order |
| 02:43:28 | Doomed9 | 3.) add artist to playlist option |
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| 02:43:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhchr: If you check out the Patch Tracker at rockbox.org, you can find the album art patch. Read the wiki page for working with patches to find out how to apply it to the source code. You'll need to set things up so you can compile, first, though |
| 02:43:58 | unhcr | ah okay |
| 02:44:00 | unhcr | sorry about this man |
| 02:44:02 | unhcr | im sort of new |
| 02:44:03 | unhcr | lol |
| 02:44:04 | Doomed9 | whts the album art patch? |
| 02:44:10 | Doomed9 | unhcr i am too, its alright |
| 02:44:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed9: It allows Album Art in WPSes, but doesn't work at the moment. It'll hopefully be added to CVS with a few more changes, last I heard. It's got a few things that need to be tidied up / modified, to my understanding. |
| 02:45:02 | unhcr | "album artist" ID3 tag support well does that one work |
| 02:45:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: As I said, at the moment the album art patch causes Rockbox to freeze, so you may want to wait a bit on it. But it's always worthwhile to learn how to compile rockbox for future use anyway. |
| 02:45:27 | Doomed9 | ah sweet cant wait for that |
| 02:45:36 | unhcr | ah |
| 02:45:38 | unhcr | but so then |
| 02:45:39 | unhcr | how does |
| 02:45:42 | unhcr | iriver have it |
| 02:45:45 | unhcr | see like i said |
| 02:45:49 | unhcr | they skinned rockbox |
| 02:45:56 | unhcr | they customized it |
| 02:45:58 | unhcr | in someway |
| 02:46:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: I just *told* you, it stopped working recently |
| 02:46:57 | unhcr | ah okay it doesnt say so |
| 02:46:59 | unhcr | on there thing |
| 02:47:00 | unhcr | alright im sorry |
| 02:47:01 | unhcr | lol |
| 02:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: Rockbox is open source. They didn't skin rockbox. Someone made a patch, people used that patch, it allowed them to create While Playing Screens with Album Art in them. As of yesterday a new feature was added, and now the patch itself doesn't work any more. It freeze rockbox. The "album artist" id3 patch you mentioned is the wrong one anyway. It does something completely different. |
| 02:47:35 | unhcr | ah okay |
| 02:47:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox itself is natively skinnable, as it were, all they did was compile a slightly different version of rockbox that adds another customization option to the screen. |
| 02:48:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: Actually, here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 <−−- At the very bottom it's fixed to work with Tagcache, so that's good |
| 02:48:52 | unhcr | ah okay |
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| 02:48:56 | unhcr | alrihgt ill see if i can do this |
| 02:49:00 | unhcr | or ill post it in the fourm |
| 02:49:05 | unhcr | and see if someone can get working on this |
| 02:49:09 | unhcr | i would love to have album art |
| 02:49:14 | unhcr | im sure its just a matter of time |
| 02:49:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean "get working on this?" |
| 02:49:22 | unhcr | so i can see if it works |
| 02:49:23 | unhcr | and stuff |
| 02:49:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can see if it works by compiling it and trying it... |
| 02:49:36 | unhcr | yah |
| 02:49:36 | unhcr | well |
| 02:49:40 | unhcr | mine is on its way back |
| 02:49:43 | unhcr | from repairing |
| 02:49:44 | unhcr | the battery |
| 02:49:46 | unhcr | so i can not |
| 02:49:46 | unhcr | lol |
| 02:49:48 | Doomed9 | idk how to compile it |
| 02:49:55 | unhcr | but thats why im going to post it in the fourm |
| 02:49:57 | unhcr | i dont know either so |
| 02:50:01 | unhcr | ill leave it up to them |
| 02:50:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed9: There's instructions for several different methods in the Wiki. |
| 02:50:39 | Doomed9 | kk |
| 02:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | unhcr: If you're not interested in testing it yourself, you may as well just wait. Album Art is going to become an official feature of Rockbox anyway, and from reading the patch description it sounds like most, if not all, of what I've seen mentioned as concerns have been resolved |
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| 03:04:30 | scottder | What's the easiet way to upgrade to the latest daily build on a nano? |
| 03:04:57 | ts-x | For someone who understands the wiki better than I - I managed to get the wps gallery pics back (they appear to have been lost during the by player page split), but have not figured out how to the file links back |
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| 03:05:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | scottder: Download the .zip and extract it to the nano... |
| 03:05:58 | scottder | Is that all that is needed? |
| 03:06:28 | scottder | Cool...thanks |
| 03:06:42 | ts-x | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you speak wiki? ;) |
| 03:07:14 | DBordello | how fast of a server are you looking for to act as a build server? I have a box on a fast pipe that sits around all day |
| 03:07:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Not terribly well, unfortunately. I don't know how to link to files across pages, all I've ever done is simply upload and attach a file to a page. |
| 03:09:32 | ts-x | For the pics it was a matter of pointing the img links from .../WPS(player name) back to .../WPSGallery. Doesn't seem to work for the .zip files... |
| 03:10:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: I really don't know how file attachment works. =/ |
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| 03:12:25 | ts-x | Well, I did what I could...hopefully someone more knowledgeable will come along and finish. The pictures themselves for all galleries should be fine now. |
| 03:13:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: That's good then. |
| 03:15:17 | ts-x | We need to locate this WillRobertson character to correct. Danger, Will Robertson! Danger! :D |
| 03:15:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
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| 03:17:02 | ts-x | I actually have a compiling question maybe you could answer - is it normal for it to take 1hr+ under windows? |
| 03:18:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Well, on a 2.2ghz athlon, in Cygwin it takes me ~3-4 minutes. In VMWare, about 1min 30seconds... |
| 03:19:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if you're doing it on a pentium 90, *maybe* |
| 03:19:11 | Doomed9 | amd or intel ...which do u like better |
| 03:19:12 | ts-x | I must have something set up wrong. I've got a 2.8 pentium... |
| 03:19:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed9: I think, if I needed a laptop with battery life, Intel. If I wanted good price/power ratio, AMD. |
| 03:19:30 | DBordello | is it worth my seting up a build server on a 700mhz box? |
| 03:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Are you using Cygwin, or the VMWare image? |
| 03:19:34 | Mikachu | in native linux it takes 1:33 on my 2ghz athlon xp (2600+) |
| 03:19:37 | Doomed9 | aight |
| 03:19:37 | ts-x | Cygwin |
| 03:19:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: You should try out the new VMWare image. It's faster, and quite easy to set up. |
| 03:20:37 | Doomed9 | wht are we talking about |
| 03:20:51 | ts-x | I think I will try it out. Still baffles me as to why cygwin takes sooo long. |
| 03:21:48 | ts-x | Took a really long time when I was compiling the sim as well... |
| 03:21:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Probably just something configured/installed wrong. Which is fortunately not something you can really get wrong with the vmware image. |
| 03:22:27 | ts-x | I did have trouble getting cygwin installed...took 3 or 4 tries. |
| 03:23:09 | * | ts-x goes to read the vmware wiki page... |
| 03:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: With the VMWare one, you install the player (which I don't think has any options) then you extract the archive from rockbox.org and double click the .vmx |
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| 03:26:46 | DBordello | has anybody ever heard of the ipod (apple firmware) not liking filenames that are like 50 chars (including path)? I thought I had way to get both working, but it only works if the filenames are short. |
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| 03:30:36 | ts-x | Does vmware place nicely with windows? |
| 03:30:57 | DBordello | vmware is awesome, give it a shot |
| 03:32:30 | Mikachu | i heard something about apple firmware and 46 or so characters, but i don't know how it works exactly |
| 03:32:42 | scottder | Secret voodoo |
| 03:32:49 | Doomed9 | 46 because of fast |
| 03:32:51 | Doomed9 | fat* |
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| 03:33:24 | Mikachu | 46 has nothing to do with fat... |
| 03:34:41 | DBordello | Mikachu, that sounds about right, that seems to be about where i start having issues |
| 03:34:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: VMWare plays fine with windows. |
| 03:34:59 | DBordello | doesn't foo_pod claim 127? That would be perfect |
| 03:35:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: Or you could just use Tagcache, as that shows your files based on their tags rather than their filenames, so they can have whatever filenames iTunes wants them to. *OR* you could *just* use rockbox for your music, and only use Retail for other things. :-P |
| 03:36:26 | * | ts-x begins downloading the 185 mb worth of vmware files... |
| 03:37:21 | DBordello | Paul_The_Nerd, well, depends on where i want to use the db heh, i plan on using rockbox exclusivly, but it would be nice to be able to use both |
| 03:37:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Yeah, it's a bit bigger than the cygwin install. =/ But it's faster, more reliable, etc. |
| 03:37:39 | DBordello | but i will look into tagcache |
| 03:37:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: What does Apple offer you for *music* that Rockbox doesn't? |
| 03:38:41 | DBordello | Paul_The_Nerd, not sure, just haven't put enough time into using Rockbox |
| 03:39:06 | DBordello | i am transitioning right now, while i was at it i figured dual booting would be nice |
| 03:39:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dbordello: The proper answer, unless you buy music via iTunes, is "Nothing" :-P |
| 03:39:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Retail offers the ability to watch Videos, and play DRMed music, and that's about as far as it has anything over Rockbox now. :) |
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| 03:40:02 | DBordello | heh, i am having trouble with the WPS, many of them seem to look like they weren't designed to fit the screen, funny formatting |
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| 03:41:13 | Mikachu | most are designed to fit other screens than yours |
| 03:41:28 | Mikachu | and specific font sizes, etc |
| 03:41:50 | DBordello | that is what i figured. |
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| 03:42:17 | Mikachu | i should make a new wps for my nano, i just made one in 5 minutes as a test, it's really ugly :) |
| 03:42:28 | DBordello | so i take it font size has an influence on the WPS |
| 03:42:31 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/slask/mikachu-wps.png |
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| 03:43:30 | sharpe | ahh... the ugliness! it burns with great ouch |
| 03:43:31 | DBordello | midkay_, doesn't look half bad, i like it, english would be nice :) |
| 03:43:45 | DBordello | Mikachu, make one for the ipod photo ;) |
| 03:43:49 | Mikachu | heh |
| 03:43:58 | Mikachu | the japanese are just song titles, it would be english if you used it |
| 03:44:19 | DBordello | cool |
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| 03:44:31 | DBordello | but i assume it would look funky on my screen |
| 03:44:40 | Mikachu | i guess it would just sit in a corner |
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| 03:54:55 | DBordello | is there a location with WPS for ipods? I only found a collection of WPSs for the iriver players |
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| 03:57:58 | ts-x | DBordello: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery. Unfortunately the .zip download links are broken right now... |
| 03:58:46 | DBordello | ts-x, yeah, i saw that, unfortunetly, no catagory for ipod photo/color :( |
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| 03:58:58 | DBordello | I didn't think it was THAT rare of an ipod |
| 03:59:13 | ts-x | Same screen size as iRiver h3xx |
| 03:59:19 | ts-x | So you can use those |
| 03:59:36 | DBordello | aaah, now we are talking |
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| 04:00:00 | Mikachu | maybe you could change the category name then |
| 04:00:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Yeah, I'd suggested that WPSes be divided into screen size and bit depth categories. 160x120x2 for H120 (I think that's right), 220x176x16 for H300 and iPod Photo, etc. |
| 04:01:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Remote WPSes would then just be named as .wpses for much smaller screens, since really that's all they are. Honestly, it seems odd to me that they have a different extension since the file format is the same, and it's just where they're used that's different. |
| 04:02:13 | Mikachu | i don't know about them since i don't have a remote but that sounds sane |
| 04:02:40 | DBordello | wow, i am reading the wps documentation, sounds easy to make one |
| 04:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: It's incredibly easy |
| 04:03:03 | Mikachu | easy to make, impossible to read once you're done and more than 10 minutes have passed :) |
| 04:03:19 | Mikachu | the hard part is making the bitmaps imo |
| 04:03:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 04:03:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | And getting annoyed that things don't line up neatly with proportional width fonts. |
| 04:04:10 | Mikachu | heh |
| 04:04:27 | DBordello | well, i am not artistic, but I recognize the nice interface |
| 04:07:46 | ts-x | I just changed the WpsGallery H3xx heading to read 'H3xx & iPod Color/Photo' ;) |
| 04:08:23 | DBordello | It makes me happy :) |
| 04:08:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | My WPS is worse: http://66.68.93.2/rockbox/dump%20061002-201726.bmp I wanted it simple, and a small font, but it took me a while to figure out what to do with a half a screen of empty space. |
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| 04:09:32 | Mikachu | put in the info for next song :) |
| 04:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I like it to be a surprise. Heh |
| 04:10:18 | Mikachu | haha, okay |
| 04:11:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, a picture of Edison seemed somewhat appropriate, all things considered. |
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| 04:12:06 | Mikachu | i'm not sure i see the connection |
| 04:12:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Edison invented the Phonograph, which is in a large part considered the beginning of recorded sound. |
| 04:13:06 | Mikachu | ah, he invented too much to keep track of |
| 04:13:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 04:13:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | He was a busy fellow. |
| 04:13:58 | DBordello | Paul_The_Nerd, i like that |
| 04:14:22 | DBordello | what screen size is it for? |
| 04:14:33 | scottder | Wax Tubes for life! |
| 04:14:34 | scottder | :) |
| 04:14:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: That's for Nano |
| 04:15:48 | DBordello | I think the problem i was having was I wasn't using the .cfg files, so all the fonts were wrong |
| 04:16:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, you need to load most WPSes by way of .cfg to change the colors and font |
| 04:17:47 | DBordello | i just realized that |
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| 04:20:25 | psycho_maniac | hey everybody. i got a quick question |
| 04:20:39 | DBordello | shoot |
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| 04:21:42 | psycho_maniac | ok i went to main page on rockbox and saw this: Moved main menu button to REC for both file browser and WPS. this means mean then to get to menu i have to press REC ? |
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| 04:22:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: I think that's just on X5, so yes if you have an X5 |
| 04:22:53 | biffhero_ | does "force tag cache update" print anything when it finishes? |
| 04:23:15 | psycho_maniac | oh ok. thank for clearing that up |
| 04:23:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: I could be wrong though. But I *think* that's what it is. |
| 04:24:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero_: Unfortunately no. If your unit has an disk-activity light, it will stop blinking. Otherwise, there's an icon in the upper right corner on the status bar that will go away, a virtual disk activity symbol |
| 04:24:34 | biffhero_ | Is *that* what that nipple picture was? I thought it was rockbox-pr0n |
| 04:25:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's supposed to represent a disk-platter, I imagine. |
| 04:25:14 | DBordello | ts-x, you seem to have control over the WPS gallery, the joltsteel .zip download is broken |
| 04:25:41 | Mikachu | all the download links are broken i think |
| 04:26:01 | DBordello | not for me, all of the ones under h300 work fine |
| 04:26:03 | DBordello | except that one |
| 04:26:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: As he said, all the .zip downloads are broken for the moment. And it's a wiki, so anyone has control over it. :-P |
| 04:26:06 | ts-x | Yeah they're all broken...someone split the gallery by player earlier today. I was able to fix the images, but had no luck with the file links |
| 04:26:44 | DBordello | I take that back, they were working yesterday, and that one was borken |
| 04:26:59 | DBordello | broken*, now joltamp works, and joltsteel still doesn't, i'll wait it out |
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| 04:27:15 | DBordello | (and i looked to see if it was a wiki, didn't appear as if it was, never mind) |
| 04:27:16 | ts-x | DBordello: If you search the MisticRiver galleries, you could probably locate it... |
| 04:29:08 | ts-x | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35852 - just watch for the ones requiring extra patches e.g. the album art patch |
| 04:30:24 | ts-x | ...the patch I use because I'm an album art whore =D |
| 04:31:26 | biffhero_ | seen odo |
| 04:32:02 | DBordello | Hmmm, my ears just perked up... i love album art :) |
| 04:32:09 | DBordello | does that require recompiling? |
| 04:32:27 | biffhero_ | yes |
| 04:32:56 | biffhero_ | dbzdeath: it requires 100x100 .bmp files in the filesystem, does not parse the ones in the ID3 tags |
| 04:32:56 | DBordello | intresting... where does it pull the album art from? i would need to organize my collection |
| 04:33:11 | biffhero_ | s/dbzdeath/DBordello/ |
| 04:33:15 | DBordello | i figured that was at me |
| 04:33:23 | DBordello | it takes the .bmp in the folder? |
| 04:33:51 | maeck | cover.bmp if I am correct |
| 04:34:05 | biffhero_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 04:34:06 | ts-x | It actually accepts any size up to 125x125...pulls .bmp from the album folder under a variety of names including cover.bmp |
| 04:34:26 | ts-x | Allows song specific art as well |
| 04:34:33 | DBordello | cool |
| 04:34:50 | DBordello | i believe there is an application out to autofetch album art, i should run that on my collection |
| 04:35:07 | biffhero_ | but, *of course*, the development around here is _screaming_ _fast_, so read that task report, and see that there are 3 comments in the last 24 hours |
| 04:35:17 | ts-x | I just added it about a week ago...works well (on my H3xx), just a little extra wps lag |
| 04:35:23 | biffhero_ | DBordello: there are a bunch of them. depends on your OS of course, but it is cool |
| 04:35:31 | psycho_maniac | im dl the bleeding edge buld of the h120 to see if this is only for the X5 |
| 04:35:56 | ts-x | I *think* the addition of Tag Cache broke it |
| 04:36:02 | DBordello | i noticed development seemed quick, the fact that you need build servers says something, i really like rockbox, it is awesome |
| 04:36:53 | psycho_maniac | what is this tag cache i have been hearing of latley? |
| 04:37:20 | Mikachu | it caches tags, so you can browse by them |
| 04:37:38 | biffhero_ | psycho_maniac: it is a lifesaver for us ipod folx. I can let the rockbox build a tagcache, and not have to read the itunes.db file |
| 04:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Album Art has already been fixed for tagcache |
| 04:39:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Browsing by Artist, Genre, or Album, and the ability to search/create playlists based on things like Year, etc. |
| 04:40:03 | ts-x | Cool...Nico_P's comments seem to indicate the updated version is not quite ready yet, so I think I'll wait a day or two |
| 04:40:20 | DBordello | Tag Cache was added to the Rockbox CVS on 26 March 2006 and is still in the very early stages of development., wow must be stable by now, heh |
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| 04:41:46 | psycho_maniac | wow sounds sweet |
| 04:41:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: On the plus side, it sounds like he's cleared up most of the issues that were keeping it from being commit-ready, as far as I've heard. So, *maybe* it'll slip in before feature freeze, with luck (or very soon after) |
| 04:42:32 | maeck | who is the main developer |
| 04:42:36 | ts-x | That would be awesome...it's really a cool feature for those who want it |
| 04:42:37 | Mikachu | the problem is if you enable browse by tagcache, you can't view the filesystem |
| 04:42:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Of what? |
| 04:42:46 | maeck | tagcache |
| 04:42:50 | Mikachu | Slasheri |
| 04:43:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, the whole point of tagcache is to browse by it. It's not like you can't switch to "Browse Supported" or "Browse All" pretty easily. Especially if they ever add a quick menu on iPod |
| 04:43:47 | ts-x | aka *Cache*ri and/or *Flash*eri :) |
| 04:44:57 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd it must be only for the X5 i got bleeding edge build on h120 right now and the A-B button is stull the menu button |
| 04:45:47 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: but browsing by tags is pretty useful and i still want to look at other files easily |
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| 04:45:55 | Mikachu | so it's not really the same difference as supported and all |
| 04:46:18 | Mikachu | since all includes supported, but all and cache are sort of disjunct |
| 04:46:30 | DBordello | i assume tag cache is in the recent build? |
| 04:46:34 | maeck | I suppose over time other files like photos will be recognized. |
| 04:46:38 | maeck | yes itis |
| 04:46:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Alright, good to know for a fact. I knew my H120 used A-B still, but I couldn't remember what time today I CVS upped at |
| 04:47:08 | maeck | there is some info on the website about how to build the database and how to enable it |
| 04:47:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, "Supported" is a subset of all, and "Cache" is really a subset of "Supported" |
| 04:47:24 | psycho_maniac | lot of the buttons were switched on the X5 werent they? |
| 04:47:36 | Mikachu | but you can do things with cache that you can't with supported and vice versa |
| 04:47:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: In the playback menu you can force a cache update. Wait for all HD access to finish, and then reboot the player. The building can take 5 minutes or more the first time |
| 04:47:53 | maeck | I have no issues on my simulator (works nice there). However, my bigger database (on the player) shows nothing. Need to figure out what is wrong |
| 04:48:05 | Mikachu | i'm pretty sure it will be changed so you go into the tagcache by a menu entry instead |
| 04:48:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: True, but as I said, it's really quick to switch between them either way. Why's switching a problem for when you want to view non-music? |
| 04:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: You *do* go into Tagcache by a menu entry. You go into the menu and choose "File View: ID3 Database"... |
| 04:49:03 | maeck | do you view non music content? |
| 04:49:17 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: that's like 3 or 4 levels deep |
| 04:50:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Not on most players. Just the iPod, until the quick menu is in. |
| 04:51:13 | psycho_maniac | wasnt there talk of the quick menu on ipods being to hold the menu button for a couple seconds? |
| 04:51:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: on iRiver, you hold down the button that brings up the Menu, and you get a quick menu that lets you change shuffle mode, repeat mode, and file view quickly |
| 04:51:22 | Mikachu | i still think browsing the tag cache and browsing the filesys are two different things, not two modes of the same thing |
| 04:52:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Maybe you should be able to browse the tagcache by way of the menu, if one exists, but I definitely think it should be able to be your root file view too, for people who prefer the database system. |
| 04:52:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Yeah. I don't know why it hasn't been done yet. Probably a conflict somewhere. |
| 04:52:53 | Mikachu | i guess that's a reasonable compromise |
| 04:52:59 | Mikachu | then the menu entry can be View Filesystem |
| 04:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Or just a "Filesystem" option as the last entry in the root Tagcache screen. |
| 04:54:03 | Mikachu | that could also work |
| 04:54:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way you don't loose *anything* by going to tagcache, except being essentially one level further up to start. |
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| 05:07:35 | maeck | hmm, my ipod keeps locking up after the rebuild (the nipple dissapears after rebuilding) and selecting the idtag option in file view. |
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| 05:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: How old is your build? |
| 05:08:26 | maeck | yesterday |
| 05:08:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try using a bleeding edge |
| 05:08:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | That bug should be fixed. |
| 05:09:01 | webguest44 | after 3 attempts at this, I have a basic question is rockbox picky about me running 1.0 vs. 1.1? |
| 05:09:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: That's a rather vague question... |
| 05:10:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: Are you talking about, by guessing in a lot of factors, an iPod Nano running Apple's OS version 1.0 vs 1.1? |
| 05:11:09 | webguest44 | sorry, 5G 60Gb , have failed 3 times just wondering should i restore to 1.0 vs 1.1 then try? or is there sucsess on 1.1 as well? |
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| 05:12:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: 1.1 works fine. Maybe if you described what problem you're actually having? |
| 05:14:54 | webguest44 | k thanks, im hurting for info! I followed the guide on the rockbox website and it resulted in a damaged boot loader with a error and had to restore, tried another tutoriol in linux, created a partion and it would load the bootloader, but say "rockbox error: -1" defualt apple os |
| 05:15:39 | webguest44 | tried the the rockbox again and again it resulted in a traingle of death! |
| 05:16:28 | webguest44 | is it nessary to partion a linux spot on the drive or will this work with a full fat32 partion? |
| 05:18:42 | maeck | no |
| 05:20:23 | webguest44 | ok that helps i was torn between the two tutorials however i was unsure, I have had nothing but traiangles of death follow the tutorial from rockbox |
| 05:20:36 | maeck | after installing the bootloader, did you install the .rockbox folder? |
| 05:21:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: Yeah, error -1 means that it doesn't find the rockbox.ipod file |
| 05:21:55 | maeck | after installing the boot loader, you have to copy the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod on the root of the ipod harddrive |
| 05:22:17 | webguest44 | following the rockbox tut, i never installed .rockbox folder the after installing the bootloader and restarting it, it would come up with triangle of death (TOD) |
| 05:22:49 | webguest44 | i could get to the next step |
| 05:23:32 | maeck | can you access the harddrive from your pc? |
| 05:23:33 | maeck | ehh, the harddrive of the ipod through usb on the pc |
| 05:23:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: You never extracted the rockbox zip onto your iPod? How do you expect rockbox to work if you don't finish installing it? |
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| 05:25:33 | webguest44 | sorry, that is were my confusing comes from after you create a new bootloader the tutorial says that you can demount and restart and the loader screen will appear, then error out, this never happend just went straight to tob |
| 05:25:59 | goffa_ | so.. how do i patch rockbox? do i have to get the source and compile? |
| 05:26:20 | goffa_ | i see that i need to patch to get sound working on my x5 |
| 05:26:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: What do you mean by tob or triangle of death? |
| 05:26:29 | goffa_ | linus rules |
| 05:26:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: I don't believe you need a patch for sound... |
| 05:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Have you tried the newest CVS build? |
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| 05:27:10 | goffa_ | i tried the one on daily |
| 05:27:24 | maeck | Triangle of death: is that the ipod retail firmware freaking out? |
| 05:27:50 | DBordello | how do i exit picture mode? I can't get back to the file browser |
| 05:27:57 | goffa_ | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/iaudiox5/rockbox-iaudiox5-20060328.zip |
| 05:28:00 | goffa_ | is that cvs? |
| 05:28:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: I didn't ask if you tried the daily. I asked if you tried the latest CVS build. |
| 05:28:11 | goffa_ | ok.. than i guess not |
| 05:28:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: You may notice there's a CVS link on the main page as well |
| 05:28:43 | webguest44 | haha the TOB is the triangle with a file in and a elplantion mark blinking or close to it |
| 05:29:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: Okay, that usually means you didn't install the bootloader properly. |
| 05:29:16 | goffa_ | ah... bleeding edge? |
| 05:29:21 | goffa_ | i think i see it |
| 05:29:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Indeed |
| 05:29:25 | maeck | weguest44: did you load the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folders yet? |
| 05:29:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: The error he's getting is from improperly installing the bootloader. |
| 05:30:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: Which instructions are you following? |
| 05:30:20 | webguest44 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#d2_iPod_Video_5G_users_only_Extr |
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| 05:31:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: You're doing some step wrong. Often people do ipodpatcher 1 -w apple_os.bin instead of rockboot.bin or something like that. |
| 05:32:27 | webguest44 | im runnig through it now, on the step: ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin |
| 05:32:35 | maeck | why not this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 05:32:52 | maeck | oh, that is the same... |
| 05:32:56 | webguest44 | :> |
| 05:33:20 | webguest44 | :) sorry those im programs... |
| 05:33:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: You did restore your ipod using the apple restore tool before trying again, right? |
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| 05:34:08 | webguest44 | yeah, and this time i got a new error, |
| 05:34:40 | webguest44 | "cannot open firmware image file apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin" I checked spelling |
| 05:35:09 | maeck | file exists on your pc? |
| 05:35:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: That means you didn't do the extra step for 5g owners. |
| 05:35:33 | webguest44 | i have not recieved this error before, yeah thats what i checked the spelling to |
| 05:35:40 | webguest44 | ok ill double check that to |
| 05:36:23 | maeck | ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin |
| 05:36:31 | webguest44 | hmm, the "extra step" is there the physical file was created |
| 05:37:44 | goffa_ | Paul_The_Nerd: you rule.. thanks |
| 05:37:51 | goffa_ | didn't see bleeding edge builds |
| 05:38:07 | webguest44 | no worries was a spelling error |
| 05:39:22 | goffa_ | that's about 21000 files that i have access to now that i didn't have with the iaudio firmware |
| 05:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Hahaha. Nice. |
| 05:39:46 | warthawg | is rockbox good on a nano? |
| 05:40:08 | maeck | think so, it is fine on my video |
| 05:40:14 | warthawg | great |
| 05:40:18 | webguest44 | ok so i am done with the bootloader"ipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin" is it safe to demount and restart to check for a propar bootloader? |
| 05:40:51 | webguest44 | in past this is were i have to restore it again |
| 05:41:10 | maeck | copy the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file to the root of ple player |
| 05:41:35 | maeck | make sure you have the ipod video version |
| 05:41:40 | webguest44 | ok |
| 05:41:42 | webguest44 | brb |
| 05:41:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Those steps are unnecessary to confirm that the bootloader installed properly. |
| 05:41:58 | DBordello | does anybody know how to exit 'picture' mode on an ipod? I accidently click on an album art picture, and now don't know how to get back to the file browser |
| 05:42:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: Have you tried Menu+Select? |
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| 05:42:24 | DBordello | Paul_The_Nerd, nope, didn't know there were combos :) |
| 05:42:31 | DBordello | i searched the webpage for a control list |
| 05:42:58 | maeck | hey, if you get stuck. You can always reboot with menu and select (5 seconds) |
| 05:43:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: I think in the FAQ I mentioned that most plugins can be exited with Menu + Select, or just Menu, but I'm not sure. |
| 05:43:13 | DBordello | ah, ok |
| 05:43:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can never remember what I wrote there. |
| 05:43:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably need to do a drive by update considering how many things have been fixed recently |
| 05:44:53 | DBordello | wow tag cache is nice, as soon as it tracks track #s it will be perfect for me |
| 05:45:54 | DBordello | (and it will open up using both firmwares, but i won't talk about that around here) |
| 05:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:46:43 | DBordello | but right now i am rockbox only, we'll see if i miss anything |
| 05:47:50 | maeck | hmm, this tagdb thing is not working for me... the menus for artist, album, etc show me nothing |
| 05:48:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Did you run a forced tagcache update, then reboot your unit? |
| 05:48:32 | maeck | yes |
| 05:48:45 | maeck | and I tried a rebuild using the perl program directly on my unit |
| 05:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | THe perl program/ |
| 05:48:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 05:48:58 | maeck | the tagdb file gets around 50Mb big |
| 05:49:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The cache is built by the unit, not a separate program |
| 05:49:09 | maeck | songdb.pl |
| 05:49:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's for the old TagDB |
| 05:49:25 | maeck | there is even a java version. |
| 05:49:35 | maeck | ah |
| 05:49:46 | DBordello | i am surprised the unit has the hoursepower to build it, but good for it |
| 05:49:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: The tagcache is generated by an option in the Playback menu |
| 05:50:08 | webguest44 | ok copied safe so demount? and restart Ipod? |
| 05:50:15 | maeck | tag cache or force tag cache update |
| 05:50:24 | maeck | restart it |
| 05:50:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: It can take a little bit the first time (5minutesish) but really, it's worth it to be able to update it on the fly etc, especially since adding files to it takes less time (unless you like, double its size) |
| 05:50:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Force Tag Cache UPdate. |
| 05:50:57 | DBordello | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, i ran it, it didn't take long at time |
| 05:51:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: You probably want to delete the old TagDB files. I don't know what those will do to Tagcache. |
| 05:51:16 | maeck | tag cache is just the disk or ram setting. |
| 05:51:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Yup |
| 05:51:34 | maeck | started it earlier. But will retry |
| 05:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: Yeah, it all depends on how many files you've got, and how fast the disk is really |
| 05:51:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: You should probably delete the files it generated then. They're all in /.rockbox/ |
| 05:52:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Building it clean is a good idea if it didn't work quite right. My first build only managed to get one subdirectory of my whole unit for some reason. It's not perfect yet. |
| 05:52:19 | maeck | rockbox.tagdb? |
| 05:52:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the file for tagdb |
| 05:52:35 | maeck | not used I presume |
| 05:52:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | There should be various files with tagcache in their name if you ran the Force Tagcache Update option |
| 05:52:55 | maeck | none there... |
| 05:53:02 | DBordello | now, if i used itunes to transfer the files, both databases would be upto date, intresting |
| 05:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Then it apparently didn't finish, or something |
| 05:53:52 | DBordello | right after i transfered all my music into folders, we'll see if it is worth my effor to redo it |
| 05:53:56 | webguest44 | It worked! thank you all, the reboot in the middle is a bad idea! it screwed me over twice! |
| 05:54:22 | maeck | yipeee |
| 05:54:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: The reboot didn't screw you over. It's safe to reboot in the middle (I've done it before). You'd made a mistake somewhere else, though we'll never really know where. |
| 05:55:16 | webguest44 | haha yeah it most likely was a user error.....may i ask another basic question? |
| 05:55:43 | webguest44 | what is hotdog? |
| 05:55:46 | maeck | you have burnt all your questions |
| 05:55:56 | webguest44 | :} |
| 05:56:05 | maeck | hotdog? |
| 05:56:14 | maeck | a file on your ipod? |
| 05:56:38 | goffa | lol... maybe i should have gotten the 60gb... can't decide what to put on /take off |
| 05:56:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: A "hotdog" is a small, almost cylindrical food item composed of one or more meats that is intended to be eaten in a bun with various condiments. :-P |
| 05:57:48 | webguest44 | haha yeah i will go read, however what is the difference or benift rather of installing it on a linux partion? |
| 05:58:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest44: I really don't know what you mean when you're asking about "hotdog" honestly. I've never heard of it... |
| 05:58:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only one I know of, in all honesty, is the food item |
| 05:58:31 | maeck | have you tried installing ipod linux or something? |
| 05:59:00 | maeck | 'cause for rockbox, no linux partitions are necessary |
| 05:59:07 | maeck | not even sure if they are supported |
| 05:59:19 | goffa | there's no wma support is there? |
| 05:59:34 | maeck | no |
| 05:59:35 | webguest44 | yeah, i honestly have been reading so many threads i came across a app what i thought was a rockbox type but it was called hotdog, for any matter it is of no use. |
| 05:59:51 | goffa | ok.. just making sure before i nuked them off the player |
| 05:59:56 | maeck | tastes like sh*t anyways |
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| 06:00:15 | goffa | yeah... i'd MUCH rather have the musepack support |
| 06:00:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: *yet* It's being worked on |
| 06:00:34 | maeck | as long as they are not DRM-ed |
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| 06:00:39 | goffa | yeah... i have less than 1000 anyway |
| 06:01:26 | maeck | what is a good id3 tag app for linux? |
| 06:01:31 | webguest03 | ok, so am i in, or is my firewall screwing me up |
| 06:02:12 | webguest03 | idle servers? what the... |
| 06:02:16 | webguest44 | your in |
| 06:02:43 | webguest44 | i installed a linux partion in hopes to install podzilla2 |
| 06:03:00 | maeck | feeling lucky tonight? |
| 06:03:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: It's not too terrible of a process |
| 06:03:30 | webguest03 | im thinking about trying that out, i just have got to get the time |
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| 06:04:15 | webguest44 | haha yeah i got the whole thing done and that is were i got the "rockbox error: -1" error and it would just default to appleos |
| 06:04:34 | MrStaticVoid | maeck: picard - www.musicbrainz.org |
| 06:04:41 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 06:04:56 | webguest03 | also, i have a 5G iPod, not yet supported by iPodLinux, you would think iPodLinux would do like Rockbox, start on the latest ones and go back |
| 06:05:38 | webguest03 | did you download the latest build and copy it over to your iPod |
| 06:06:04 | webguest44 | i did latest every thing and couldnt figure out what went wrong |
| 06:06:50 | webguest03 | did you put Rockbox on the root of your player |
| 06:07:26 | RoC_MM | 5g did not exist when ipodlinux started |
| 06:07:36 | RoC_MM | when they introduced 3g they started on that |
| 06:07:45 | webguest03 | the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file |
| 06:07:54 | webguest03 | oh |
| 06:07:57 | RoC_MM | apple releases new revisions faster than the ipl team can reverse enginnerr and code |
| 06:08:35 | webguest44 | what i dont understand is when i did the podzilla it said rockbox error, why>? |
| 06:08:47 | webguest44 | arent they two seperate programs> |
| 06:08:58 | warthawg | i'm looking for ipodpatcher for nano, for linux, but i can't find it |
| 06:09:17 | webguest03 | yeah, there is a "unsupported" "build" for 5G but it doesn't have a simple point and click installer |
| 06:09:37 | webguest03 | im talking bout pz2, not rb |
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| 06:10:22 | webguest03 | g2g |
| 06:10:24 | | Quit webguest03 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 06:10:59 | webguest44 | so a stupid question are there skins or themes for RB? |
| 06:12:42 | maeck | yes, they are called wps-es |
| 06:12:44 | warthawg | aha, i can just use dd, doan need no steenkin ipodpatcher |
| 06:13:01 | RoC_MM | does dd do offsets thouhg? |
| 06:13:18 | maeck | you should be able to find some on rockbox.org |
| 06:13:27 | webguest44 | ok thanks |
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| 06:18:35 | webguest44 | umm. were on the sitw? |
| 06:20:57 | goffa | hmm... this has wavpack support right? |
| 06:21:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: For lossy or lossless, but not hybrid |
| 06:21:32 | goffa | ok |
| 06:22:08 | warthawg | if a man |
| 06:22:53 | warthawg | has the rockbox.bin in /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:23:05 | warthawg | and /dev/sdb2 is the vfat partition |
| 06:23:18 | warthawg | and /dev/sdb3 is the ipodlinux partition |
| 06:23:29 | warthawg | where do he stick the rockbox zip thingie? |
| 06:23:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | warthawg: Extract the .zip into the vfat one. |
| 06:24:01 | warthawg | thanks, Paul_The_Nerd |
| 06:24:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | warthawg: You also need to rename the kernel .bin file to linux.bin and put it on the vfat one as well, in the root |
| 06:24:34 | warthawg | ok |
| 06:34:21 | warthawg | paradise hotel sounds sweet on rockbox :) |
| 06:35:57 | BHSPitLappy | touchpad would be cool |
| 06:36:11 | BHSPitLappy | things like the eq would be a lot more bearable |
| 06:40:19 | MrStaticVoid | so how can i tell if replaygain is working? |
| 06:40:41 | MrStaticVoid | a ran mp3gain on an album, enabled it in rockbox, but i cant tell the difference |
| 06:40:56 | MrStaticVoid | and Show ID3 Info says <no info> for the Gain stuff |
| 06:41:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | MrStaticVoid: MP3gain actually changes the file rather than just creating the tags... |
| 06:41:43 | MrStaticVoid | oh? |
| 06:41:59 | MrStaticVoid | i got the impression based on the website that it did just write tags |
| 06:41:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you read about it before using it? |
| 06:42:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, it's fully reversible but the normal behaviour is to actually modify the MP3s, so that they're essentially replaygained even on players that don't support it |
| 06:42:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you *just* do the scan step, then it just creates the tags. |
| 06:42:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'd recommend using something else, like just foobar2000... that's me though |
| 06:43:07 | MrStaticVoid | i use linux |
| 06:43:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 06:44:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, then just do the analyze/scan step to just create the tags |
| 06:44:16 | MrStaticVoid | thank you |
| 06:44:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You might want to undo first, or do a fresh rip, or something |
| 06:45:12 | warthawg | good taste in software, MrStaticVoid |
| 06:45:17 | MrStaticVoid | it wont let me undo |
| 06:45:24 | MrStaticVoid | No undo information in ... |
| 06:45:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought MP3gain was supposed to be reversible... |
| 06:45:30 | MrStaticVoid | oh well |
| 06:45:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, if it didn't write the tags... right |
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| 06:55:29 | maeck | [Paul_The_Nerd] is it correct that songs in the album list are not shown in track order? |
| 06:57:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: It is correct. They aren't sorted by track yet. It *may* be alphabetical, or it may just be the order the files are on disk. I'm not sure |
| 06:57:29 | maeck | that all is fine |
| 06:57:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's planned to add displaying them in track order though |
| 06:57:52 | maeck | should be like that. |
| 06:58:18 | maeck | Just like the next menu after artist should be *all* followed by an album list |
| 06:58:34 | maeck | Or do I have too many good feelings for my -now dead- rio karma? |
| 06:59:01 | ze | maeck: aww, what happened? |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:05 | ze | my karma's outlasted an archos jukebox, an archos recorder, and a creative nomad zen, combined |
| 07:00:06 | maeck | battery died... but somehow bought insurance from circuitcity... now have a new ipod video... rockboxed ofcourse... now with tags alsmost as good |
| 07:00:06 | goffa | my karma died too |
| 07:00:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Well, the tagcache was originally idealized to be quite similar to the karmas. The goal is basically to surpass anything out there, eventually. It may take a while, but since it's open source it'll gradually improve for quite a while |
| 07:00:11 | goffa | well... it was my fault |
| 07:00:21 | goffa | didn't pass the VDT when it landed on the wheel |
| 07:00:29 | goffa | still works... but the wheel is hosed |
| 07:00:39 | ze | goffa: too bad |
| 07:00:44 | ze | the wheel rocks |
| 07:00:50 | goffa | yeah it does |
| 07:00:54 | maeck | I do miss the Karma |
| 07:01:01 | goffa | i got an iaudio x5... like that better than the karma |
| 07:01:12 | goffa | but now its even better as of tonight :) |
| 07:01:15 | ze | heh |
| 07:01:23 | ze | i just wish i could get rockbox on the karma |
| 07:01:26 | goffa | i'm like a kid in a candy store :) |
| 07:01:53 | ze | theoretically anything that can run on a decent selection of ipod models ougtta be portable to the karma |
| 07:01:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd likes his Rockbox on H120 best. |
| 07:01:59 | goffa | i even clicked the paypal link on the rockbox site i was so happy |
| 07:02:17 | ze | but karma firmware upgrades are public-key encrypted |
| 07:02:19 | maeck | I never thought I would buy an Ipod. Then Karma died... no alternatives except for X5... though about it for a while... then Ipod Rockbox landed... I cashed the insurance money at the city for an ipod. |
| 07:02:28 | maeck | Now, x5 and ipod video are the same... |
| 07:02:37 | goffa | yeah |
| 07:02:44 | goffa | i think the x5 is more durable |
| 07:02:52 | lostlogic | ipv has _TEH_ screen |
| 07:02:53 | maeck | or almost the same... clickwheel and bigger screen on ipod vs. better battery life on X5 |
| 07:03:07 | * | lostlogic makes out with his IPV's screen |
| 07:03:11 | goffa | yeah... i've got the x5l so its a lot better battery |
| 07:03:11 | dpassen1 | One of the best things about Rockbox is being able to go from one model to another and instantly know how it runs/operates. |
| 07:03:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: STOP THAT |
| 07:03:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hits lostlogic on the nose with a newspaper |
| 07:03:30 | lostlogic | ahahahaha |
| 07:03:30 | goffa | and screen cracked on the iaudio... |
| 07:03:41 | goffa | found out that the folks at iaudio are good with rma |
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| 07:04:12 | maeck | good, heard some bad things lately... like being slow. |
| 07:04:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: Absolutely. Know how it operates, know what volume your music will sound right. You can even transfer your .cfg file (minus theme-related lines) and not have to configure *anything* |
| 07:04:21 | lostlogic | zzz |
| 07:04:25 | dpassen1 | Exactly |
| 07:04:40 | dpassen1 | It means whenever my 120 gives out, I can purchase an iPod or x5 and have a seemless transition. |
| 07:04:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Bah, no sleep until you fix *all* playback code issues! |
| 07:04:50 | goffa | yeah |
| 07:04:56 | maeck | But I think that the ipod port of rockbox is one of the best things happening for rockbox... we are seeing some good progress in development |
| 07:05:00 | goffa | i'm glad i waited |
| 07:05:04 | goffa | i almost bought a 120 |
| 07:05:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: You mean "Whenever my 120 gives out, I can spend twice the cost of an iPod gathering parts to repair it..." right? |
| 07:05:24 | dpassen1 | The thought ran through my mind, I must admit |
| 07:05:34 | goffa | wish there was an x5l 60gb |
| 07:05:37 | dpassen1 | A single platter 40 GB drive and a larger capacity battery |
| 07:05:50 | goffa | i guess there is an ipod 60gb |
| 07:06:00 | dpassen1 | My 120 has a lot of sentimental value |
| 07:06:03 | goffa | but would like the 35 hour battery life |
| 07:06:05 | maeck | only 10 hrs of battery in th eipod 60gb |
| 07:06:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: Yeah, I'm not going to waste money on a larger drive *yet* just because I'm going to wait until this on fails, but I'm keeping my H120 alive as long as I can. |
| 07:06:19 | DBordello | is there a good program out there to scan my collection (mp3 & flac) and add replaygain data? |
| 07:06:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: If you're in windows, yes. |
| 07:06:39 | scottder | foobar2000 if yer in windoze |
| 07:06:46 | DBordello | linux :/ |
| 07:06:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wine |
| 07:06:59 | dpassen1 | How old is your 120? Mine's 2.5 years old. |
| 07:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wine + Foobar2000 is supposed to work fairly well |
| 07:07:06 | DBordello | really? |
| 07:07:08 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: sigh I haven't worked on it in a couple of days... I've actually had to do... my job... :-\ |
| 07:07:27 | DBordello | i tried installing it and it kept whining about win2000 or newer, een when set to emulate it |
| 07:07:28 | DBordello | so i gave up |
| 07:07:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: I bought mine sometime in the first month they were available in Best Buy, but I'm not 100% sure when that was. It says iHP on it, for what that's worth |
| 07:07:41 | dpassen1 | Yes, mine too |
| 07:07:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: Just reporting what I've heard. |
| 07:07:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: *gasp* Work for pay?! |
| 07:08:07 | dpassen1 | It seemed so small when I bought it. |
| 07:08:29 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it's tragic... hopefully it'll be better for the rest of the week... I was short 3 bosses for the last few days |
| 07:08:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It's strange, I see reports of all these playback bugs and everything in the forums, and I've been driving 300 miles a day for the last 3 days, living with my MP3 player as the only thing between me and insanity, and I haven't encountered *any* of the bugs. |
| 07:09:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I've been putting a new build on each morning, so I should've picked 'em up at some point. |
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| 07:09:13 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I know, it's frustrating... I listen for 8-10 hours a day, play games, skip tracks, etc. and I don't seem them either |
| 07:09:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: Smaller players feel too small to me. |
| 07:09:53 | maeck | lostlogic/paul_the_nerd : talking about skipping? |
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| 07:10:06 | dpassen1 | My old roommate had an x5, I doubt you'd find it too small, slightly odd shaped though. |
| 07:10:07 | lostlogic | maeck: no, talking about misc. playback bugs that freeze the player |
| 07:10:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: The freezes |
| 07:10:37 | maeck | no have none of that. Sometimes skipping on flac and mp3... oggs seem fine |
| 07:10:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: It looks badly shaped for being left-handed, from screenshots, but I've been told otherwise. I'm personally not a fan of color screens, really. |
| 07:10:51 | lostlogic | maeck: now that's a new one... what player? |
| 07:10:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Odd. Skipping, as in gaps in the playback? in FLAC?! |
| 07:10:57 | lostlogic | maeck: flac is the fastest codec and mp3 the next |
| 07:11:01 | maeck | ipod video |
| 07:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Does your WPS have a peakmeter? |
| 07:11:12 | DBordello | flac is the fastest, didn't know that |
| 07:11:17 | goffa | flac sucks the battery though :( |
| 07:11:23 | DBordello | boo :( |
| 07:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: not on flash based players. :-P |
| 07:11:28 | goffa | mpc is fast too |
| 07:11:33 | lostlogic | goffa: spins the battery often yes |
| 07:11:34 | dpassen1 | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm left handed, as well. Also see no reason for color screens, I still think my 120 is the best player around. |
| 07:11:36 | goffa | true |
| 07:11:48 | goffa | well they don't make a flash based player big enough yet :) |
| 07:11:59 | goffa | so they don't enter my mind |
| 07:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: I have a Nano as well, because I wanted something flash based. But it's only for situations I deem too risky or too high-impact for the H120 |
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| 07:12:34 | maeck | I'll keep a look out when it skips. |
| 07:12:35 | lostlogic | maeck: I'd be interested to see a video recorded of your audio thread debug screen during playback on flac when it skips, if you have the equip to make such a thing |
| 07:12:37 | goffa | now that i have mpc support 30gb just doesn't seem like enough |
| 07:12:47 | dpassen1 | I don't have the expendable income currently to buy a player for certain situations, unfortunately. |
| 07:13:11 | goffa | i've got my karma for high impact.. since its fubar |
| 07:13:19 | maeck | lostlogic, I'll check. Maybe I am wrong... could have been ALAC aswell. I'll check later |
| 07:13:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: I don't either. But I have rich parents who won't take "I don't want anything from you for Christmas" as an answer. |
| 07:13:51 | lostlogic | maeck: I hear that at the same bitrate, ogg is a tad bit quicker than mp3 on the ipod so that at least makes some sense |
| 07:14:06 | scottder | SRC IP ARIN for 172.27.240.65 SRC Port: 609 |
| 07:14:06 | scottder | =================================================== |
| 07:14:10 | dpassen1 | That's not bad. |
| 07:14:12 | scottder | Opps |
| 07:14:16 | dpassen1 | Not bad at all. |
| 07:14:19 | goffa | ogg seems to be the best for my battery |
| 07:14:25 | goffa | i use q6 |
| 07:14:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | ogg is ideal on iPod right now. |
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| 07:15:16 | scottder | ogg -q4 with the latest encoder and optimizations is quite nice |
| 07:15:28 | goffa | heh... aac or whatever crap they are using for itunes sucks |
| 07:15:43 | goffa | well... unless you jab your ear with a pencil first |
| 07:17:24 | maeck | lostlogic : the files are ALAC encoded. That must be it... need to reencode... only cd that I encoded on Itunes I guess... |
| 07:17:30 | goffa | amazes me they charge for that... but now they have a "hi-fi" (read boombox) that you can hook it to |
| 07:17:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Yeah, if I recall ALAC had some issues still |
| 07:24:59 | biffhero_ | <maeck> what is a good id3 tag app for linux? <<< I love easytag |
| 07:25:14 | lostlogic | easytag is good, but not great |
| 07:25:20 | biffhero_ | what's better? |
| 07:25:27 | lostlogic | biffhero_: unless you can tell me how to change one tag on several files to the same value quickly |
| 07:25:35 | lostlogic | biffhero_: haven't found better yet ;) |
| 07:25:47 | biffhero_ | it does it. I do it all the time. little checkbox thingys |
| 07:25:52 | lostlogic | bastard |
| 07:26:04 | lostlogic | splain to me how here or in a /msg please! |
| 07:26:33 | biffhero_ | <webguest44> what is hotdog? <<< one of the ipodlinux developers did some work (I think he mentioned rockbox guys as inspiration) and built "hotdog" as a proof of concept app to show that they could do faster video than what is currently in ipl/pz2/ttk toolkit |
| 07:26:38 | DBordello | i love easytag |
| 07:27:00 | goffa | can you disable tags and have rockbox read file names? |
| 07:27:03 | biffhero_ | <Paul_The_Nerd> warthawg: You also need to rename the kernel .bin file to linux.bin and put it on the vfat one as well, in the root <<< you don't _even_ want to hear about my rockbox install experience |
| 07:27:09 | lostlogic | goffa: sure, just set it up that way in the wps |
| 07:27:13 | DBordello | lostlogic, select the ones you want to change, edit tag, click little box next to it |
| 07:27:14 | DBordello | save |
| 07:27:18 | biffhero_ | <lostlogic> ipv has _TEH_ screen <<< Glad to hear you have one. I love mine too. |
| 07:27:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero_: Had some difficulty getting linux running? |
| 07:27:28 | goffa | hmm... i'll have to look into that |
| 07:28:03 | lostlogic | DBordello: DAMN! never noticed that those were checkboxes to the right |
| 07:28:09 | lostlogic | ok, easytag does everything a tag editor should. |
| 07:28:14 | biffhero_ | lostlogic: CTRL-A (select all file in that directory), type in '69' in the year field, and then click on the zit-bump to apply to all |
| 07:28:37 | lostlogic | adn now I really make Zs, thanks and good nigth |
| 07:28:48 | midkay | lostlogic, you said "flac is the fastest codec and mp3 the next" - no way, wavpack runs way better than MP3.. |
| 07:29:05 | lostlogic | midkay: okokok, zzzz |
| 07:29:38 | midkay | lostlogic, and i think even some others run faster. mp3 is way slow.. |
| 07:29:58 | biffhero_ | Paul_The_Nerd: actuall... I have ipl running, did the step-by-step there. While looking it over, I looked at the source for the ipl bootloader... saw some stuff about rockbox, had no idea what it was... |
| 07:30:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: MP3 is much faster on non-iPod players |
| 07:30:11 | lostlogic | midkay: I think I remember mp3 being next fastest on Hxx0... but either I'm remembering wrong or it's totally different on ipod |
| 07:30:16 | lostlogic | see, I'm not insane! |
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| 07:30:33 | midkay | lostlogic, oh, i was under the impression you were talking about the ipods |
| 07:30:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I think it's FLAC then WAVPACK lossless, then MP3 in iRiver, but I'm not sure |
| 07:30:43 | amiconn | mooning |
| 07:30:46 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: makes sense. |
| 07:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lossy wavpack though, is somewhere else entirely |
| 07:31:13 | biffhero_ | ... I found out about rockbox, thought "hrmmm, that sounds interesting". Mounted /dev/sda2 (vfat), unzip <filename>.zip, rebooted, and the ipl bootloader automatically found rockbox boot file. woo hoo! |
| 07:31:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | mornin' amiconn |
| 07:31:17 | midkay | flac is surely the fastest for at least the ipods.. |
| 07:31:37 | DBordello | can you tri-boot, ipl, rockbox, and apple? |
| 07:31:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero_: Yeah, the iPodLinux Loader2 is nice about that, and not so bad if you don't *just* want to be in Rockbox as fast as you can |
| 07:31:43 | biffhero_ | yes |
| 07:32:17 | biffhero_ | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I have been thinking about that, the bootloader kinda gets in the way. but I still go back to retailOS right now |
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| 07:32:26 | biffhero_ | DBordello: yes |
| 07:32:26 | DBordello | cool, how does it work, asks you which to load like a PC boot loader? |
| 07:32:47 | maeck | So what is the status on using both cores on the ipod? I presume that the current rb architecture isnt really multi treaded... |
| 07:32:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero_: You can get to Retail with the Rockbox loader by holding Menu while you boot. |
| 07:33:04 | biffhero_ | DBordello: yes, it reads all three partitions, and then builds the kernel list on the fly |
| 07:33:08 | biffhero_ | Paul_The_Nerd: that's cool. |
| 07:33:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Oh, its quite multithreaded, but utilizing the other core has a few roadblocks anyway. Besides, for the moment it helps keep an eye on optimizing and writing good code by limiting the resources anyway |
| 07:34:41 | DBordello | hmmm, do i need to create a new partition to use ipod linux? is it just for linux files, or does the music go on there too? |
| 07:34:56 | goffa | so... where do i get the rom for pacman? |
| 07:35:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: You need an ext2 or ext3 partition, with the Linux filesystem on it. The music is read from your Fat32 partition |
| 07:35:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: You use google to find it |
| 07:35:59 | DBordello | hmmm, intresting, i'll check into it, how is podzilla, does it even compete? |
| 07:36:23 | goffa | ah.. just mame |
| 07:37:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: They're not meant to compete. You'll never really use iPodLinux for music. But it has a variety of other programs some people consider useful. |
| 07:37:22 | DBordello | and the geek factor |
| 07:37:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 07:37:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I removed it from my Nano because I wanted to fill *all* the space with songs |
| 07:38:07 | DBordello | how big is the ext2/3 partition? |
| 07:38:09 | * | Paul_The_Nerd was possibly the first person to triple boot Rockbox/iPL/Retail on a Nano. |
| 07:38:16 | DBordello | i guess it varies, but typical |
| 07:38:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: I don't know what the minimum was |
| 07:38:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hear 100mb is more than enough |
| 07:38:25 | Mikachu | i wish they hadn't wasted 80MB at the start of the drive |
| 07:38:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: You can actually resize that. Especially if you install Rockbox *without* reatil OS |
| 07:39:14 | Mikachu | well, i don't want to fuck up my whole partition if i accidentally leave it in retail once for a day |
| 07:40:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: If you remove retail, how could you leave it in retail? |
| 07:40:10 | DBordello | i guess on a nano all that is significant, with 40gb it doesn't really matter |
| 07:40:32 | Mikachu | well, i wouldn't want to remove retail since i use it for file transfers |
| 07:40:35 | Mikachu | ps, i just woke up |
| 07:40:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
| 07:41:17 | DBordello | why use it for file transfers? Doesn't rockbox bounce it into diskmode or something? |
| 07:41:19 | amiconn | Mikachu: Shouldn't that be possible with the builtin disk mode? |
| 07:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Yeah, the only reason I have Retail still on my Nano is for file transfers. When Rockbox has its own USB handling, I'm gonna drop it for space, faster boot times, and just because |
| 07:41:34 | Mikachu | yeah but apples diskmode is still 10x faster |
| 07:41:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: The built in disk mode is PAINFULLY slow on Nanos. |
| 07:41:42 | * | amiconn plans to never run anything else on his soon-expected mini |
| 07:41:56 | amiconn | *anything else than rockbox |
| 07:42:11 | DBordello | i used the diskmode on my 4g, seemed reasonably fast |
| 07:43:40 | RoC_MM | is there any way to charge the 5g's or 4g's when they are off? |
| 07:43:50 | Mikachu | well, on nanos it takes something like a minute to transfer just rockbox.ipod |
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| 07:44:08 | DBordello | ah |
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| 07:45:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | DBordello: Yeah, the Disk Mode on Nanos is different for some reason. |
| 07:46:02 | DBordello | got it |
| 07:46:56 | biffhero_ | Paul_The_Nerd: are you saying that rockbox has a goal of doing USB mode from w/in rockbox? _without_ the reboot? woo hoo! |
| 07:47:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero_: It already does it on some other players. It won't likely be soon though, so don't get your hopes *to* up |
| 07:47:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | *too* |
| 07:48:34 | biffhero_ | that's cool |
| 07:49:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe iPL even has a USB driver yet, does it? |
| 07:49:28 | DBordello | i don't think so |
| 07:49:29 | amiconn | Argh! I just realised why doom crashes when voice is enabled! |
| 07:49:34 | Mikachu | i think no one knows how usb works on ipods |
| 07:49:38 | biffhero_ | no, you boot into disk mode |
| 07:49:49 | biffhero_ | amiconn? |
| 07:49:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Tell meeeeeeee |
| 07:50:06 | amiconn | Doom uses the core menu functions, which try to voice the menu. But, doom also takes IRAM... |
| 07:50:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, I think I'm in a strange mood tonight. |
| 07:50:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 07:50:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well that is naughty |
| 07:50:43 | amiconn | ...and codec swap therefore trashes the doom IRAM part |
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| 07:52:20 | amiconn | So either we will have to change the way voice works (no codec swap, extra link address), or we need a way to explicitly disable voice for such plugins |
| 07:52:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmmm.... |
| 07:53:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can the codec swap restore the IRAM contents after the voice has been played? |
| 07:53:29 | biffhero_ | those iaudio products look nice |
| 07:55:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | iaudio has a lot of products... |
| 07:55:04 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: It usually does. But it's designed to swap main audio codec and voice codec. I'm not sure what it does when the audio codec isn't present, but a plugin is using the iram instead. |
| 07:55:24 | amiconn | I bet it's swapping in the last audio codec (and hence its iram part too) |
| 07:55:39 | biffhero_ | the X5 is what I was looking at, but there are a lot of others |
| 07:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Ah, seems strange that it swaps for the last used codec rather than the last real contents... |
| 07:56:31 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Perhaps it even swaps in the latest content. But there's another pitfall: |
| 07:56:45 | DBordello | how does the x5 compare to the ipod photo? Cheaper? |
| 07:57:44 | amiconn | Codec thread and voice thread are interlocked (using a mutex) to not run whenever their respective codec is swapped out. The main thread doesn't know anything about that, and that is where plugins are running in... |
| 07:57:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaaaah.... |
| 07:58:19 | amiconn | So as soon as the voice codec yields -> boom |
| 07:58:22 | biffhero_ | iAUDIO X5 60GB Black is $399.99 at their store |
| 07:58:33 | DBordello | same price |
| 07:58:56 | biffhero_ | the smaller iaudios look cool too. the u3 is smaller |
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| 08:03:19 | ipod5G60Gb | i have only been runnig RB for a few hours but found the that GUI intense plugins like fire and more, cause my 5G video to pause playing at resume then pause, I know that this is know already but have there been patches out to improve this |
| 08:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally performance improvements don't come by way of patch |
| 08:04:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that's mostly the fact that only one core is used right now, and the 5G requires the most effort to drive the LCD of the iPods so far |
| 08:04:44 | Mikachu | heh, fire on the video must be really intensive |
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| 08:05:07 | ipod5G60Gb | haha it looks cool! so do the nanos run more smoothly? |
| 08:05:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Muuuuuch |
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| 08:05:34 | amiconn | morning mr. master bouncer ;) |
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| 08:06:08 | biffhero_ | yeah, that big LCD must be tough |
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| 08:08:27 | ipod5G60Gb | i have another newbie Q: Since loading RB i have been unable to switch back to the apple OS, shouldnt I be greeted with the option of either or? |
| 08:08:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 08:09:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | You turn on the ipod, and immediately press again, and hold, Menu |
| 08:09:01 | ipod5G60Gb | ok |
| 08:09:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it should, if you pressed it again early enough, eventually say "Loading original firmware..." |
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| 08:11:22 | ipod5G60Gb | ha got thank you |
| 08:11:35 | LinusN | amiconn: morning :-) |
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| 08:17:20 | ipod5G60Gb | ah ok so now i am in appleos and after pressing and holding play/pause the screen goes black but select turns the backlight back on, it acts like it doesnt actually turn off |
| 08:18:15 | ipod5G60Gb | a reset puts me back in RB pressing holding play renders "shutting off" and it is off for sure |
| 08:20:30 | * | amiconn wonders about the crappy lcd update routines in rockbox doom |
| 08:20:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipod5g60gb: AppleOS normally just sleeps. It doesn't really turn off. |
| 08:21:53 | amiconn | The default routine uses table lookups for the scaling, and the target routine (1) uses the hard-coded lcd data port, as numeric constant and (2) also a strange way of doing the scaling |
| 08:22:16 | amiconn | Both could just use a bresenham-lookalike for scaling. |
| 08:22:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: The scaling was taken from the way the iDoom port does it, if I recall. |
| 08:23:17 | amiconn | The one in the default routine, yes |
| 08:23:24 | amiconn | Still a strange way to do it... |
| 08:23:40 | ipod5G60Gb | ok, apoun a couple restarts I have noticed that apple os "resets" erasing your setting, is this also normal? i understand that installing RB means "who cares about apple os!haha" |
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| 08:24:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipod5g60gb: I'm not sure how/when Apple OS saves its settings, but they didn't get reset for me. |
| 08:25:10 | amiconn | The target routine is tailored towards H300 but is ifdefed wrong, so it does of course break for H1x0 and X5 |
| 08:25:43 | ipod5G60Gb | Thanks <paul_the_nerd> i have to select a launguage every time |
| 08:26:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipod5g60gb: Strange. Do you delete your iPod Control folder? |
| 08:26:53 | ipod5G60Gb | im not terrible worried about however, not to my knoweledge, i followed the tutorial exactly |
| 08:28:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipod5g60gb: I'm not really sure what causes the ipod settings to save, but then I don't use retail *at all* except for file transfers (only really necessary to use it for them on a Nano) |
| 08:29:44 | ipod5G60Gb | its ok im not worried about it, im full of newbie questions, is there a idoom port for RB |
| 08:31:09 | preglow | there's a doom port |
| 08:31:19 | preglow | doesn't work quite right on ipod yet |
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| 08:35:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't work any more on ipod. =/ |
| 08:37:54 | ipod5G60Gb | As I have been reading about pz2 it has a boot menu to choose between the two would it be possible to have all three RB,pz2, appleos? |
| 08:38:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 08:38:51 | ipod5G60Gb | is it a custom bootloader |
| 08:38:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact if you install iPodLinux with loader 2, then extract Rockbox into your fat32 partition it should detect it in the menu for you |
| 08:39:35 | ipod5G60Gb | oh cool, thats what i was hoping for |
| 08:41:52 | ipod5G60Gb | i have had a hell of a time getting pz2 to work tomorrow will be true dedication |
| 08:43:09 | biffhero_ | pz2 doesn't work for you? |
| 08:43:31 | biffhero_ | I couldn't get mpd working, but that's known. |
| 08:44:30 | ipod5G60Gb | well i gave it a run and ended up with rockbox error: -1 so the bootloader was screwed, i then gave RB a run, i want it all though! |
| 08:45:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipod5g60gb: Error -1 doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the bootloader. It usually means rockbox.ipod wasn't found. |
| 08:46:20 | biffhero_ | I thought you were having problems with ipl, not rockbox |
| 08:46:38 | ipod5G60Gb | i think you mentioned that earlier I will give it a go tommorrow using this tut: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7748 |
| 08:47:28 | ipod5G60Gb | im sure ill work it out |
| 08:55:21 | webguest44 | goodbye |
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| 08:58:34 | JdGordon | ok odd q... i have been asked to make a driver for a fake hard disk for windows.. does any1 know where the heck to start looking for info how to do it? |
| 08:58:47 | amiconn | msdn? |
| 08:59:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | msdn is a good place, I'd say |
| 08:59:22 | JdGordon | http://msdn.micorsoft.com/ <- haha, |
| 08:59:27 | JdGordon | damn typo |
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| 09:02:23 | Slasheri | lostlogic: hmm, would you if i go and add the metadata buffering to the playback engine? (codecs buffered also as metadata entries) |
| 09:02:28 | Slasheri | +mind |
| 09:05:18 | amiconn | Slasheri: Found my tagcache test results/rants in last night's log? |
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| 09:07:32 | HuntermicAtWork | Good morning people :-) |
| 09:08:10 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, just read the logs. 13 minutes sounds good, and the commit time 3 minutes is really good for slow archos too (as it has to do sorting and uniquing of the tags) |
| 09:08:41 | HuntermicAtWork | This looks like a fine day, sound on the X5, and the sun is shining, now all i have to do is wait for some sound on the M5 |
| 09:08:41 | amiconn | The tagcache message still overlays the logo, btw |
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| 09:09:53 | preglow | does anyone in the team even have an m5? |
| 09:10:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, hmm.. that needs to be fixed then, maybe i could try with archos simulator later today |
| 09:10:29 | HuntermicAtWork | i hope so :-), otherwise i can wait a long time |
| 09:10:54 | B4gder | preglow: not that I know of |
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| 09:11:43 | HuntermicAtWork | is it easy and safe to open my M5? |
| 09:12:15 | preglow | might be easy, and is almost always not completely safe :) |
| 09:12:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:12:16 | LinusN | Slasheri: i tried out tagcache this morning on my x5 |
| 09:12:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both easy and safe are dependent upon your skill at taking things apart in general, and putthing them back together successfully. |
| 09:12:27 | LinusN | i couldn't get it to work |
| 09:12:37 | LinusN | until i set it to "load to ram" |
| 09:13:07 | LinusN | it wouldn't work from disk |
| 09:13:09 | * | preglow wants a dynamic mp3 buffer reallocator |
| 09:13:18 | LinusN | /kick preglow :-) |
| 09:13:28 | B4gder | we discussed that a bit at devcon |
| 09:13:29 | preglow | pft, shouldn't be too much work |
| 09:13:35 | preglow | and then we don't need to reboot for changes to apply all the time |
| 09:13:38 | preglow | rebooting != good |
| 09:13:39 | goffa__ | hey preglow were those tracks old enough? |
| 09:13:41 | LinusN | we have an idea for that |
| 09:13:43 | preglow | goffa__: nope |
| 09:13:44 | B4gder | I agree with preglow |
| 09:13:47 | goffa__ | ok |
| 09:13:57 | preglow | goffa__: like i said, getting pre-sv7 tracks isn't easy |
| 09:14:06 | goffa__ | i know i have a bunch |
| 09:14:16 | Slasheri | LinusN: hmm, did you try "force tagcache update"? |
| 09:14:20 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:14:36 | Slasheri | hmm, weird.. i will try to debug it soon |
| 09:14:40 | LinusN | then i rebooted, but the database was still empty |
| 09:14:42 | preglow | what idea do you have for that, then? |
| 09:14:52 | Slasheri | preglow: yeah, that would be nice.. at least some kind of limited malloc |
| 09:15:07 | LinusN | preglow: basically the same as today, except that the buffers can be reallocated |
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| 09:15:19 | preglow | LinusN: which is exactly what i want. hooray! |
| 09:15:22 | bobTHC | morning all ! |
| 09:15:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: What about my progress idea of showing just an icreasing numer (item count?) instead of % when dircache is off/unavailable? |
| 09:15:32 | LinusN | preglow: the music has to stop though |
| 09:15:36 | preglow | LinusN: sure |
| 09:15:40 | amiconn | ...and not showing -1% when it's done... |
| 09:15:46 | preglow | LinusN: but we'll only use it for stuff like loading voice files, calculating tag cache, etc |
| 09:15:53 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:15:53 | preglow | LinusN: initing dircache on the fly |
| 09:15:54 | Slasheri | amiconn: that sounds good, i will implement it :) |
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| 09:16:15 | preglow | Slasheri: how hard will it be to adapt the gui better to tagcache? |
| 09:16:40 | Slasheri | preglow: shouldn't be hard, accessing the engine is simple.. but i am not one of the gui experts ;) |
| 09:16:46 | preglow | hell, me neither |
| 09:16:49 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 09:17:10 | preglow | i've got my very own gui code slave in safetydan anyway :) |
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| 09:17:59 | HuntermicAtWork | i think i'll try to open my M5 this evening when i'm home, i just hope it will still work after that, Are pictures from inside made with a digicam (3 MP) good to use for you people? |
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| 09:18:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Scanner's better, but digicam can be useful. Try to get chip labels too. |
| 09:19:02 | B4gder | digicams are hard to get good pcb pics with |
| 09:19:31 | HuntermicAtWork | my cam has a very good macro mode, so i think i will be able to make some nice shots, scanning just isn't my thing |
| 09:19:53 | B4gder | well, any pictures are better than no pictures |
| 09:20:16 | HuntermicAtWork | :-) , that's true, so i'll give it a try tonight |
| 09:20:58 | HuntermicAtWork | i normaly only take apart stuff when it's broke allready, or when it isn't expensive |
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| 09:22:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan, funny, preglow just mentioned you. |
| 09:22:18 | preglow | why, here he is |
| 09:22:24 | safetydan | ? |
| 09:22:28 | safetydan | Should I be scared? |
| 09:22:32 | preglow | i just mentioned you like doing my gui code for me :> |
| 09:22:56 | safetydan | ah |
| 09:24:08 | safetydan | Actually I have someone to do all the hard fixed point work for me :) |
| 09:24:24 | preglow | hahah |
| 09:24:47 | nudel | would it be possible for Flyspray to include the description of each bug/patch in the page title? that way bookmarking flyspray pages would be, like, possible... |
| 09:26:57 | B4gder | it would indeed be useful |
| 09:27:11 | B4gder | let's poke Zagor until he makes it do that |
| 09:27:50 | * | Paul_The_Nerd pokes Zagor |
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| 09:37:14 | safetydan | Nothing from WMA guy lately. It'd be nice if people posted work in progress stuff for that sort of thing |
| 09:37:26 | preglow | yeah, it would |
| 09:37:42 | B4gder | yes, that's why I asked him about a patch or zip of his current state or similar |
| 09:38:11 | B4gder | we've seen things like this before just end up with nothing |
| 09:39:30 | preglow | yes, exactly |
| 09:39:49 | LinusN | i really don't get this "you can't get it until i'm finished" idea |
| 09:40:06 | B4gder | very open source style... not |
| 09:40:15 | LinusN | i guess it's an ego thing |
| 09:40:21 | B4gder | possibly |
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| 09:41:23 | linuxstb | I'm guessing he doesn't want someone else to finish it and steal his glory. I just hope his work isn't lost. |
| 09:42:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | PM him on the forum, see if he's still around? |
| 09:42:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | That triggers an email by default, so even if he doesn't check the forums he might get it and come back briefly to update or something. |
| 09:43:51 | preglow | just ask him if it'll be ready for 3.0 or something |
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| 09:46:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | "We'd like to include WMA playback in 3.0 if at all possible. Unfortunately, by policy we can only include it if work-in-progress code is checked into CVS before the feature freeze. So, we'd love if you'd provide us a patch by April 1st so that we can try to include it" ? |
| 09:46:30 | B4gder | yeps |
| 09:46:51 | goffa__ | LinusN: i'm glad you have the release early, release often mentality |
| 09:47:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Who's sending it, y'know, so four of you guys don't all do it. :-P |
| 09:47:55 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: go ahead, send it! |
| 09:48:38 | LinusN | ehum, doesn't the wolfson codecs have bass and treble? |
| 09:48:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Will do then |
| 09:48:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd goes off to the forums |
| 09:49:08 | preglow | LinusN: they do |
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| 09:49:23 | preglow | LinusN: though it sounds like a bag of shit, esp. on the nano |
| 09:49:25 | LinusN | they are disabled in the settings storage |
| 09:49:38 | preglow | right, that'd explain why people say it's not saved :> |
| 09:49:44 | LinusN | aha |
| 09:50:06 | preglow | i think all of the wolfsons have bass and treble, at least |
| 09:50:35 | LinusN | -6 - 9 ? |
| 09:52:14 | linuxstb | The 5g's DAC doesn't have bass/treble (the others do though). But it does have a basic 5-band eq which could be used for bass/treble. But it's not implemented yet. |
| 09:52:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Do the bass/treble actually *do* something on iPod? It just sounded like volume adjustment to me... |
| 09:52:59 | LinusN | i'll enable the saving |
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| 09:53:06 | linuxstb | LinusN: Thanks. |
| 09:53:32 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: they do something that sounds vaguely like it |
| 09:53:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: So, nothing good. |
| 09:54:02 | preglow | although it's so shite i'm contemplating on just removing it |
| 09:54:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You probably should |
| 09:54:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Otherwise people are going to just think it's bugged. |
| 09:54:57 | preglow | does *buf++ increment the pointer or the value? |
| 09:55:03 | LinusN | pointer |
| 09:55:04 | B4gder | the pointer |
| 09:55:12 | B4gder | ++ is right-to-left |
| 09:55:28 | goffa__ | lol... when they go into the eq, just have a screen that says "this blows, don't use it" |
| 09:55:35 | preglow | lostlogic: then line 473 in pcmbuf.c is never used |
| 09:56:09 | preglow | gcc 4.1 complains that "value computed is not used" |
| 09:56:34 | B4gder | clever thing |
| 09:56:48 | B4gder | and hey |
| 09:56:58 | B4gder | I built a successful build with langv2 last night |
| 09:57:04 | preglow | ooooh |
| 09:57:10 | preglow | a round of applause for bagder! |
| 09:57:43 | preglow | i seriously need to learn c operator precedence soon |
| 09:57:46 | preglow | i just know the bare minimum |
| 09:58:06 | goffa__ | dammit... i want to go to bed... (waiting for stuff to transfer) |
| 09:58:39 | nudel | use lots of brackets and you don't need to remember the silly precedence rules |
| 09:58:48 | preglow | i don't do lisp |
| 09:58:51 | nudel | i just remember the ones which are useful all the time |
| 09:59:03 | B4gder | well, you still should know the basics for when you read others code |
| 09:59:06 | nudel | well, lots as in up to 2 pairs a line |
| 09:59:06 | preglow | nudel: what about a nano version of your wps, btw? :) |
| 09:59:15 | nudel | er, i got a bit sidetracked by Oblivion :( |
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| 10:00:49 | nudel | Someone needs to hack into my xbox and make one of the NPCs in Oblivion tell me to convert the WPS. THen i'd do it in no time. (Stupid addictive game!) |
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| 10:08:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: It sounds like he's got the a fixed point decoder that compiles successfully, but it is entirely untested. He's working on the ASF parsing now. |
| 10:08:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it sounds like he'd be willing to get it checked in, if possible. :) |
| 10:08:31 | phaedrus961 | would anyone object to me committing my loadable keyboard patch? |
| 10:08:35 | B4gder | linuxstb: seeing your server is the only build server still using IP only, I'd just like to mention that we can of course offer a DNS name for your server if you want to |
| 10:09:27 | goffa__ | so... linus.. do you have an x5 or an x5l? |
| 10:09:41 | goffa__ | wondering what to set my battery meter to |
| 10:10:31 | LinusN | goffa__: x5 |
| 10:11:02 | linuxstb | B4gder: That sounds like fun. Did you have anything in mind? |
| 10:11:18 | B4gder | linuxstb.rockbox.org perhaps? |
| 10:11:31 | linuxstb | Sounds good to me. Everyone will want one :) |
| 10:11:40 | goffa__ | i have the L... does that battery setting affect anything other than the meter? |
| 10:11:51 | LinusN | goffa__: no |
| 10:11:57 | B4gder | linuxstb: I think I'll be able to handle the crowds ;-) |
| 10:12:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: I also wonder what the strange ===> last entry is in tagcache.... |
| 10:12:12 | goffa__ | guess it doesn't matter too much.. was wondering what i should set it to |
| 10:12:24 | amiconn | Imho chunked browsing should work as it did in old tagdb |
| 10:12:33 | amiconn | Iirc Zagor implemented that... |
| 10:12:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: it meant to be my poor attempt at "chunked" browsing to the ui :) it's not even working properly.. |
| 10:13:09 | B4gder | yes, zagor did that |
| 10:13:21 | Slasheri | ok, i will check the old code soon |
| 10:13:32 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: untested? i thought he said he had a couple of files working |
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| 10:14:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: His response PM said that he had a decoder that compiled but was untested. It's possible that he meant that it hasn't been put through any *real* testing. One could argue one or two files isn't a "test." But he seemed positive about putting together a patch with what he's got. |
| 10:15:38 | B4gder | linuxstb: done |
| 10:15:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | At one point he said he has a version that "builds but is untested." and at another he said that his "concern is that this code has not been thoroughly tested" |
| 10:16:19 | goffa__ | lol... if he needs testing done he should release the code |
| 10:16:42 | goffa__ | assuming it doesn't make your player spontaneously combust |
| 10:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa__: He mentioned he was afraid that people would run off and expect it to be usable in its current state and try to figure out how to enable it. Which, having observed the forums for a while, seems to be a good assumption. |
| 10:18:55 | B4gder | yes, users have rather high expectations of what they download |
| 10:18:58 | goffa__ | yeah |
| 10:19:15 | B4gder | "developers only" is not something they actually grasp |
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| 10:19:29 | Mikachu | maybe pre-pre-alpha would get the point across? |
| 10:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: Yeah, for some reason they expect code that's in development to be focusing primarily on the user experience, rather than getting core functionality working. |
| 10:19:31 | goffa__ | yeah... well patience is thin |
| 10:19:46 | goffa__ | but what's another week i guess |
| 10:20:07 | goffa__ | i waited since '98 to get a player to play musepack |
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| 10:21:33 | B4gder | the primary to get something form him wnow ould be to assist in getting it done the rockbox way |
| 10:22:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: Well, judging from his initial response, he'll be willing to submit a patch with what he's got. Hopefully. :) |
| 10:22:31 | B4gder | patch is good |
| 10:23:40 | Mikachu | what patch/thing are we talking about here? |
| 10:23:47 | linuxstb | I think the integration into Rockbox will be just as much work as the initial porting to fixed point, or maybe even more, depending on how much he's optimised it. |
| 10:23:53 | Mikachu | couldn't find it by glancing through my scrollback |
| 10:23:54 | B4gder | Mikachu: wma codec |
| 10:23:58 | Mikachu | ah |
| 10:24:17 | linuxstb | Extracting code from ffmpeg isn't an easy job. |
| 10:27:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone looked at either of the patches here, for the backlight issue? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4934 More in how he implements it, since he seems uncertain which is the preferred way... |
| 10:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | For the "Off means the backlight stays on" ipod problem, rather |
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| 10:30:20 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: The "Prefetch abort at 86AD43D8" tagcache error the person reported in the ipod forum is odd. There is nothing at that memory address, so something bad (and untraceable) is happening. |
| 10:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: So it's *not* my fault for being unable to figure out what was there. |
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| 10:31:50 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Nope. There is nothing there... |
| 10:32:10 | B4gder | surely we can blame Paul a bit anyway? ;-) |
| 10:32:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 10:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Is there any reason a 32khz AAC wouldn't be resampled properly on H120? (It's described as playing too fast.) |
| 10:35:02 | goffa__ | well... time for me to head to bed.. thanks for your tolerance/answering my dumb qestions... |
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| 10:37:02 | * | amiconn will probably have a shot at improving doom drawing/scaling, if no one else does it before |
| 10:37:25 | Mikachu | i promise not to |
| 10:37:25 | amiconn | Should make it work on X5 as well. Next step would be using grayscale lib for H1x0 |
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| 10:38:00 | linuxstb | Is it working at all on your H300 now? |
| 10:38:21 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: it's a metadata parser issue |
| 10:38:23 | preglow | it has to be |
| 10:38:50 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm looking now, and ci->configure seems to be called _before_ the frequency is read from the file. |
| 10:39:21 | kkurbjun | amiconn, sounds great to me, it's easy now to see how the performance is impacted with those timedemo's |
| 10:39:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Ah, improper metadata, or the parser handling proper data poorly? |
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| 10:39:53 | preglow | i'd guess the last |
| 10:39:55 | preglow | btw |
| 10:39:55 | kkurbjun | amiconn, the r_draw.c functions seem to be the most time critical for the game |
| 10:40:07 | preglow | in its current state, i say aac is out of 3.0 |
| 10:40:12 | kkurbjun | at least right now |
| 10:40:23 | preglow | the parser doesn't handle all files, and the decoder is too slow for fun |
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| 10:41:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. The hang was caused by voice being enabled. See this morning's log for the design flaws in rockbox causing it :( |
| 10:41:19 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Could you get a copy of that 32KHz file? I'm not sure why it doesn't work now. |
| 10:41:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I read that - iram was my suspicion as well. |
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| 10:42:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It was brought up in the tracker. I'm not even sure he'll ever check back to see if anything's become of his bug report. |
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| 10:42:36 | amiconn | Maybe we have to change the whole voice concept in swcodec. The current concept is rather shaky |
| 10:42:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll request it though |
| 10:43:10 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: OK, thanks. Does he mention the encoder he used? (i.e. itunes or Nero) |
| 10:43:17 | preglow | amiconn: what concept? codec swapping? |
| 10:43:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:43:49 | linuxstb | I'm surprised no-one has reported the same problem with pacbox - that uses both IRAM and the core menus. |
| 10:43:57 | preglow | amiconn: what else do you propose? |
| 10:44:01 | preglow | amiconn: we have to swap some memory anyway? |
| 10:44:07 | preglow | s/?// |
| 10:44:10 | amiconn | Separate codec, perhaps |
| 10:44:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: He just mentions it's 66kbps VBR. =/ |
| 10:44:24 | preglow | amiconn: how would that really help the situation? |
| 10:44:24 | amiconn | Linked to a different address, and not using iram |
| 10:44:26 | preglow | amiconn: the codec swapping isn't the problem |
| 10:44:32 | preglow | ahh, forget that |
| 10:44:33 | preglow | they need that iram |
| 10:44:49 | preglow | or you can forget all semblance at low latency operation |
| 10:45:00 | amiconn | Really? Voice is low sample rate mono, highly compressed |
| 10:45:11 | preglow | my bet is it would still be really slow |
| 10:45:20 | preglow | and we aren't always going to be using mp3 |
| 10:45:23 | preglow | at least i hope not |
| 10:45:42 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I also have code that I need to add that handles larger screens well (i.e. Ipod video), I think that the scaling can be done cleanly in i_video.c for resolutions lower then 320x200 for all the status things, and then the game drawing "should" handle lower resolutions alright |
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| 10:45:54 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think we should replace mp3 with an even more CPU intensive codec though. |
| 10:45:57 | preglow | not to mention having a zillion separate codecs linked at different addresses is really "pretty" |
| 10:46:42 | * | preglow wants speex going :/ |
| 10:46:55 | amiconn | preglow: We could (and imho should) limit voice to one codec. That currently is mp3, and should become speex if that'll ever get ported |
| 10:47:28 | preglow | but anyway, this issue aside, the codec swapping system isn't what makes voice ui so sucky |
| 10:47:51 | Cassandra | What is speex? |
| 10:47:56 | preglow | Cassandra: speech specific codec |
| 10:48:01 | preglow | Cassandra: compresses to really low bitrates |
| 10:48:02 | kkurbjun | It would be alot cleaner implementation with the scaling for the status bar, text, etc being handled in i_video.c and the rest of the drawing code being done in r_draw.c with a straight blit to screen |
| 10:48:06 | preglow | Cassandra: www.speex.org, i think |
| 10:48:22 | Cassandra | Ah cool. Is it feasible on Archos? |
| 10:48:28 | preglow | Cassandra: hell no |
| 10:48:36 | preglow | far from it |
| 10:49:12 | Cassandra | That'd be a good argument against switching the voice UI to it. |
| 10:49:54 | Cassandra | Archos is the platform that would potentially benefit most anyway, and it'd not be good to have to maintain two seperate types of voice file. |
| 10:51:18 | muesli- | yo |
| 10:51:28 | amiconn | Cassandra: Voice files will be target specific with langv2 anyway |
| 10:51:44 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:51:50 | amiconn | That's one of the main points of v2. It doesn't need to contain clips for nonpresent options |
| 10:51:55 | JdGordon | hey all... can i be annoying and bug u all about 2 patches ready to go... (2 days till the freezee...) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4936 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4864 |
| 10:52:21 | JdGordon | and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4929 while your at it... |
| 10:52:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought the freeze was April 4th? |
| 10:53:10 | JdGordon | ok, then 7 days... |
| 10:53:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or 3rd |
| 10:53:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 10:53:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Somewhere about there |
| 10:53:41 | JdGordon | .. missing the point of my msg.... :p |
| 10:53:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 10:54:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since I have no commit access, I can't do anything other than miss the point. ;-) |
| 10:54:35 | JdGordon | everyone else went hiding did they? |
| 10:56:05 | * | Paul_The_Nerd looks around |
| 10:56:10 | * | B4gder is invisible |
| 10:56:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | What everyone else? I'm the only person here. |
| 10:56:38 | petur | you and 104 bots ;) |
| 10:57:02 | muesli- | oink |
| 10:57:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I just have a lot of remote computers logged into the same channel. I like to talk with myself. |
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| 11:02:51 | | Join webguest10 [0] (n=56d43ae7@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:03:03 | webguest10 | Hello Rockbox |
| 11:03:33 | muesli- | JdGordon http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3093.msg21841#msg21841 interesting 4 u? |
| 11:04:10 | webguest10 | LinusN: is you the main X5 dev? |
| 11:04:48 | webguest10 | LinusN: I just installed Rockbox on my X5 and it's wonderfull |
| 11:05:12 | JdGordon | muesli-: if its a s simple as reading from the file header or something then could be doable.. but iv got uni and other stuff to do.. maybe.. |
| 11:05:56 | | Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) |
| 11:05:57 | webguest10 | LinusN: but that seems RTC isn't used? is it one know issue? |
| 11:06:22 | muesli- | JdGordon would be really nice. i guess its just the header. at least the source code is already there |
| 11:06:25 | webguest10 | I mean no time, date... |
| 11:06:28 | B4gder | webguest10: feel free to dive in and help |
| 11:07:02 | webguest10 | B4gder: do you are an X5 developer too? |
| 11:07:06 | bobTHC | X5 is in a early stage |
| 11:07:14 | webguest10 | ok |
| 11:07:25 | B4gder | webguest10: rockbox is mostly a single software that runs on numerous players |
| 11:07:36 | B4gder | only small parts are model-specific |
| 11:07:46 | B4gder | but yes, I've done some x5 fiddling |
| 11:07:59 | webguest10 | but I thought with all stuff you managed to have working, RTC seems "simple" |
| 11:08:06 | webguest10 | B4gder: ok |
| 11:08:08 | bobTHC | LinusN ,B4gder, and Zagor are the maindev for the entire project webguest10 |
| 11:08:20 | webguest10 | ok |
| 11:08:49 | B4gder | I actually don't think we three are that special these days |
| 11:08:50 | bobTHC | but there are far to be alones :) |
| 11:09:05 | webguest10 | Fortunatly yeah :) |
| 11:09:18 | webguest10 | massive Rockbox communauty it seems |
| 11:09:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, people pitch in where they can. |
| 11:09:44 | B4gder | some ~170 named contributors in the credits |
| 11:09:53 | webguest10 | Wooooow ! |
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| 11:11:18 | Mikachu | where is the authors file in the cvs tree? |
| 11:11:23 | B4gder | docs/CREDITS |
| 11:11:47 | webguest10 | I did read in others models, the Hard Disc activity have one item in your statubar, it will be possible in X5 too, because currently it are not? |
| 11:12:03 | dwihno | Damn |
| 11:12:04 | dpro | mikachu: ehat exactly does your wheel-absolute patch do ? |
| 11:12:10 | dwihno | I just read about the initial audio on the X5. |
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| 11:12:13 | dpro | s/ehat/what/ |
| 11:12:14 | Mikachu | didn't i write it in the description? |
| 11:12:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:12:20 | dwihno | \o/ LinusN \o/ LinusN \o/ LinusN \o/ |
| 11:12:29 | dpro | I don't really get it ... it patched one line ... |
| 11:12:40 | dwihno | I am more impressed than Mike Levy on "amazing discoveries" |
| 11:12:43 | B4gder | webguest10: it should indeed be possible, yes |
| 11:12:45 | Mikachu | it's not many lines, but definitely not just one |
| 11:12:49 | webguest10 | dwihno: I'm currently trying Rockbox, and it is sound |
| 11:13:13 | webguest10 | B4gder: Thx that's good |
| 11:13:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: There are 96 positions on the wheel. Instead of telling which direction it's being scrolled, it tells which of those positions the finger is at. Or something like that. |
| 11:13:19 | dwihno | webguest10: on the X5? |
| 11:13:27 | webguest10 | yep |
| 11:13:32 | dpro | pauk: ah nice |
| 11:13:48 | Mikachu | so for example in brickmania i can put the pad at an absolute position |
| 11:13:59 | Mikachu | so if i want to move it to the left edge of the screen i just put my finger on the left edge of the wheel |
| 11:14:12 | dwihno | webguest10: Nice nice! |
| 11:14:13 | Mikachu | doesn't matter where i start my finger or how fast etc |
| 11:14:15 | linuxstb | Isn't that cheating? :) |
| 11:14:20 | Mikachu | heh, it's still hard |
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| 11:14:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | That patch is ideal for the gameboy button issue. |
| 11:14:44 | * | dwihno wants to give his Recorder-60 a retirement plan and get a new.. Don't know what to get though, now that Rockbox runs on so many platforms. |
| 11:14:46 | Mikachu | if it didn't hand out extra lives like super mario 3 it would even be challenging |
| 11:14:49 | dwihno | What would you guys recommend? |
| 11:14:50 | webguest10 | dwinho: now I begin to think f**k Cowan &co :) |
| 11:14:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I keep pointing people who complain at it, and they keep trying to *just* change rockboy without using the patch |
| 11:14:53 | Mikachu | i think last time i finished level 30 i had 22 lives |
| 11:15:03 | Mikachu | but i still died many times |
| 11:15:07 | linuxstb | dwihno: Just choose based on the hardware features that you want. |
| 11:15:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwinho: H120/140 or bust. |
| 11:15:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 11:15:28 | webguest10 | dwihno: iaudios are fine |
| 11:15:33 | B4gder | dwihno: getting one already supported is for cowards! ;-P |
| 11:15:35 | linuxstb | dwihno: Is a colour LCD important? FM Radio? Recording? Optical I/O ? |
| 11:15:46 | amiconn | dwihno: If you want stability, I'd says don't retire your archos right now, sorry... |
| 11:16:58 | dwihno | B4gder: Then I'll simply get one of the spanking new archos models ;D |
| 11:17:06 | bobTHC | depnd which HD size and upgrade possibility u wan to |
| 11:17:16 | bobTHC | want too |
| 11:17:19 | dwihno | optical isn't that important |
| 11:17:20 | * | webguest65 complains that tetrox uses too dark a background on iriver-h1x0 |
| 11:17:33 | dwihno | Audio quality is most importants. |
| 11:17:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: I've mentioned that myself |
| 11:17:56 | dwihno | Second, disk... upgradable in the archos way... i.e, simply replacing the disk |
| 11:17:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: The bricks should be light gray, or the backdrop should be white, I think. |
| 11:18:06 | webguest65 | the latter, if you ask me |
| 11:18:32 | preglow | Slasheri: here? |
| 11:19:32 | bobTHC | iriver and cowon seens to use better DAC, but i cant warrant that |
| 11:19:49 | B4gder | hey |
| 11:19:52 | B4gder | greeeen |
| 11:20:06 | B4gder | 40 green columns |
| 11:20:17 | Mikachu | just don't change the backdrop to white on color targets |
| 11:20:19 | preglow | improbable! |
| 11:20:40 | webguest10 | is there one Rockbox manual somewhere please? |
| 11:20:49 | Mikachu | yes, you're welcome |
| 11:21:06 | B4gder | webguest10: the wiki is a good place to start |
| 11:21:19 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WikiManual |
| 11:21:24 | amiconn | bobTHC: I don't know the cowon dac, but the iriver dac is shit compared to the MAS integrated dac |
| 11:21:33 | Slasheri | preglow: yes |
| 11:21:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | 0-score build! Wee |
| 11:21:40 | webguest10 | thanks |
| 11:21:55 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is there a reason there are no automatic manual builds yet, or have you just not got round to it? |
| 11:22:06 | B4gder | the latter |
| 11:22:20 | B4gder | it is on my list |
| 11:22:30 | linuxstb | Will they be distributed as well? |
| 11:22:47 | JdGordon | ... so... no takers on the 3 patches above ? |
| 11:22:47 | B4gder | nah, only daily |
| 11:23:09 | preglow | Slasheri: what's going on at pcmbuf line 473 |
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| 11:23:13 | B4gder | I'll probably host them on the download.rockbox.org site though |
| 11:23:22 | preglow | Slasheri: gcc 4.1 warns me that that value isn't used, and it looks like it speaks truth |
| 11:23:30 | austriancoder | JdGordon: what patches? |
| 11:23:50 | JdGordon | look about 30min up the log |
| 11:23:56 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm, i will check that. But i doubt the pcmbuf.c has been quite restructured when i last touched the code.. |
| 11:25:06 | preglow | Slasheri: annotate says it's your code |
| 11:25:20 | webguest10 | B4gder: should I wait a bit you host them? |
| 11:25:51 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, the entire function? if (pos >= pcmbuf_size) pos -= pcmbuf_size; |
| 11:25:56 | B4gder | webguest10: that's why I pointed you to the wiki |
| 11:26:29 | webguest10 | Ok I will look at it, I already checked few pages |
| 11:26:29 | Slasheri | that line might be new, at least that identation style is not mine |
| 11:26:34 | austriancoder | JdGordon: i could commit them... but i need to check it first in my x5 |
| 11:26:42 | preglow | Slasheri: no, just the *buf++ line |
| 11:26:43 | Slasheri | probably it makes the following check redundant |
| 11:26:52 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 11:27:00 | preglow | Slasheri: i can't see what function that line is supposed to have |
| 11:27:16 | webguest10 | austriancoder: are you developer for X5 too? |
| 11:27:47 | austriancoder | webguest10: no.. LinusN did all the work.. i only fix some simple stuff for x5 |
| 11:27:54 | Slasheri | preglow: "blocksize = MIN((pcmbuf_size - pos)/2, blocksize);" prevented write outside the pcmbuffer (in fact, long time ago there was a typo on this line that caused pops in the crossfade) |
| 11:28:12 | Slasheri | but it seems that has become redundant now |
| 11:28:26 | webguest10 | austriancoder: ok, I just wanted to evalute if a lot pf people are working on X5 |
| 11:28:29 | safetydan | Do we have a policy to handle patches that have been submitted, but the original submitter isn't contactable anymore? |
| 11:28:34 | dpro | Mikachu: sorry I just got up but how do I use this then ? you didn't change button.h AFAICS |
| 11:29:04 | webguest10 | austriancoder: do you know what "power handling: 10%" mean in IaudioPort wiki page? |
| 11:29:39 | Mikachu | dpro: you could always look at the brickmania and pacbox patches in the same tracker item for examples |
| 11:29:55 | B4gder | webguest10: there are not very many people doing x5 work |
| 11:30:01 | B4gder | yet |
| 11:30:05 | webguest10 | ok :) |
| 11:30:10 | dpro | mikachu: thx |
| 11:30:15 | preglow | Slasheri: i'll ask lostlogic about it |
| 11:32:00 | webmind | not sure if this is possible yet in rockbox on the ipod, but forward and rewind with the scrollweel.. would this be possible ? |
| 11:32:04 | webmind | or will it be? |
| 11:32:49 | Mikachu | i think i prefer holding down prev/next over how it works in apple |
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| 11:38:30 | austriancoder | before i commit a patch from bugtracker, i have a question: i am also allowed to do this action? |
| 11:38:51 | bobTHC | do u think a PluginIriverify like for ipod have any interest ? |
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| 11:39:21 | bobTHC | and if it have, how hard it will be ? |
| 11:39:42 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:40:16 | webguest10 | Hello |
| 11:43:11 | webmind | Mikachu, I find it horrible to scroll that way in audiobooks |
| 11:43:19 | webmind | I can't guess the positition well |
| 11:43:25 | webmind | and it's slow |
| 11:43:42 | Mikachu | you can set the acceleration speed if that helps, i don't know if the default is the highest |
| 11:46:25 | Slasheri | hmm, i would like to hear if anyone gets the "playlist control file corrupted" after updating to latest cvs |
| 11:46:42 | Slasheri | there was a null pointer access bug in dircache |
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| 11:47:56 | webguest10 | I saw in Rockbox front page that X5 doesn't have bass/treble |
| 11:48:24 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I've made a little progress with doom on the ipods. I've found (and fixed) a data abort problem in R_InitTextures. The value of nummappatches is wrong though - in the sim, it's 350 (for my doom1.wad), but on the ipod it's an extremely large number (causing the subsequent Z_Malloc to fail). So I think the loading of the wad data is broken. |
| 11:48:28 | webguest10 | What do I need to do for have bass anyway, the iaudio firmware have good bass |
| 11:48:30 | webguest10 | ? |
| 11:48:38 | austriancoder | JdGordon: jpeg slideshow looks good |
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| 11:49:24 | webguest10 | austriancoder: what is this? |
| 11:49:46 | austriancoder | webguest10: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4936 |
| 11:49:51 | webguest10 | thanks |
| 11:50:22 | linuxstb | webmind: As Mikachu said, you should try changing the acceleration options in General Settings -> Playback -> FFwd/Rewind. |
| 11:50:47 | webmind | ah |
| 11:50:53 | webguest10 | austriancoder: great feature, will you add it? that could be great |
| 11:51:07 | webmind | I'd still prefer the dial, since it also provides better precision.. but I'll check it out |
| 11:51:21 | austriancoder | webguest10: i am looking at it and will commit it later |
| 11:51:29 | safetydan | webguest10, you can use the equalizer to enhance bass |
| 11:51:35 | webguest10 | gr8 ! |
| 11:51:37 | Jungti1234 | wow.. |
| 11:51:55 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon, excellent |
| 11:51:55 | safetydan | webguest10, be aware that it may cause skipping at the moment because of cpu load issues |
| 11:52:04 | webguest10 | safetydan: I don't know nothing about equalizer :( |
| 11:52:21 | webguest10 | don't know how to configure it |
| 11:52:55 | webguest10 | Is there a Wiki page "how to equalizer" ? |
| 11:53:00 | linuxstb | safetydan: Is skipping with EQ a problem on the Coldfire targets? |
| 11:53:01 | safetydan | webguest10, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu#Equalizer |
| 11:53:11 | webguest10 | Thx |
| 11:53:16 | safetydan | linuxstb, no it seems fine on h120 so... |
| 11:53:58 | linuxstb | I'm assuming the audio side of the iaudio port is already as efficient as the irivers. |
| 11:54:16 | webguest10 | safetydan: that looks complicated for me, do you knwo which configure to do for touch bass only? |
| 11:59:21 | bobTHC | webmind, u can save 2 diff config files, one for music with slow RE/FF and another one for ebook with fast FF |
| 11:59:41 | safetydan | linuxstb, actually ignore me, I'm getting a different issue mixed up. iPod's skip with eq, iAudio skips with peakmeter |
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| 12:00:03 | preglow | oh? |
| 12:00:27 | safetydan | webguest10, try increasing the gain of the 60 Hz band and the 200 Hz band |
| 12:00:41 | preglow | eq works fine on coldfire targets, btw |
| 12:00:44 | safetydan | preglow, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3219.0 seems to suggest turning off peak meter stopped some oggs skipping |
| 12:00:50 | preglow | damn crappy ipod cpus :// |
| 12:00:53 | webguest10 | safetydan: ok, thanks I'll play with it |
| 12:01:25 | webmind | bobTHC, true.. but I'll still lack the precision |
| 12:01:49 | webmind | presicion? |
| 12:02:57 | linuxstb | webmind: Have you actually tried it? |
| 12:03:22 | safetydan | hrmm... scalable eq graphical interface is going to be interesting... |
| 12:03:22 | webmind | not yet. but I will |
| 12:04:04 | webmind | I wasjust generally wondering.. still need to flash the damn things |
| 12:04:25 | webmind | :) |
| 12:06:17 | webguest10 | safetydan: that seem to not have really impact on bass side |
| 12:06:31 | safetydan | webguest10, did you enable the equalizer? |
| 12:06:39 | webguest10 | I'm wondering how Cowan managed to have great bass |
| 12:06:40 | safetydan | and what settings did you use? |
| 12:06:47 | webguest10 | safetydan, yes |
| 12:07:02 | webguest10 | I played with 60 ans 200 Hz band like you said |
| 12:07:26 | safetydan | there's an extra step required to actually turn it on though |
| 12:07:31 | safetydan | did you do that? |
| 12:07:34 | webguest10 | the are audio changes but not bass |
| 12:07:47 | webguest10 | extra step? |
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| 12:07:59 | Mikachu | random settings menu -> equalizer -> on |
| 12:08:04 | safetydan | what Mikachu said |
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| 12:09:01 | webguest10 | ok |
| 12:09:08 | safetydan | I wonder if it will actually be easier to drop the graphical equalizer screen. It doesn't really provide that much value |
| 12:11:44 | webguest10 | safetydan: ok, that seems I need to choose good values because that clips like made if values are too high |
| 12:11:52 | webguest10 | mad |
| 12:12:33 | safetydan | yes it will clip :) |
| 12:12:42 | safetydan | you either need to use the precut setting to compensate |
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| 12:12:52 | webguest10 | Rockbox have have a very good system for configuration, why not provide few equaliszer .config in cvs builds? |
| 12:13:02 | safetydan | i.e. if you set an equalizer band to gain by +6db then set precut to -6db |
| 12:13:03 | preglow | safetydan: nah, don't drop that |
| 12:13:08 | preglow | safetydan: the other interface is a nightmare |
| 12:13:28 | safetydan | preglow, really? hrm... |
| 12:13:37 | preglow | takes ages to adjust settings |
| 12:13:39 | webguest10 | safetydan: I'll make tis in stand by for now then, that need more experimentation |
| 12:13:41 | preglow | no acceleration button, etc |
| 12:13:47 | safetydan | I don't really like it since it's a bit too much on one screen. |
| 12:14:01 | safetydan | ah well, maybe I just need a better design |
| 12:14:30 | safetydan | Pity I can't copy the Karma's design wholesale :) |
| 12:14:35 | webguest10 | what is this crosffed thing betwen? |
| 12:15:01 | * | austriancoder has commited jpeg slideshow patch |
| 12:15:14 | webguest10 | wow sound volume go downnnnnnnnnn |
| 12:15:24 | safetydan | webguest10, it's for making hard stereo imaged audio sound better in headphones |
| 12:15:24 | webguest10 | austriancoder: great |
| 12:15:28 | safetydan | a better implementation is coming |
| 12:15:33 | safetydan | which won't cut the volume |
| 12:15:35 | webguest10 | great too |
| 12:15:36 | * | safetydan pokes preglow |
| 12:15:37 | preglow | safetydan: i think you should... |
| 12:15:48 | safetydan | safetydan, copy their interface? |
| 12:15:49 | preglow | safetydan: copy the interface, that is, heh |
| 12:15:56 | safetydan | talking to myself |
| 12:15:56 | webguest10 | Rockbox have very active developement, I like it ! |
| 12:15:59 | safetydan | lousy xchat |
| 12:16:11 | preglow | new crossfeed is coming today |
| 12:16:16 | safetydan | preglow, well I'll use it as insipiration at least |
| 12:16:23 | safetydan | they didn't have to deal with different resolution screens |
| 12:16:28 | preglow | correct |
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| 12:17:18 | preglow | austriancoder: you messed up jörgs name with utf8 |
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| 12:17:32 | preglow | i believe we don't want to use utf8 in source files |
| 12:17:52 | webguest10 | safetydan: will it be graphical view for equalizer? |
| 12:18:10 | webguest10 | that could be things much easier |
| 12:18:12 | austriancoder | preglow: oha... could you fix it.. and i will look for a way to get ride of this utf8 stuff |
| 12:19:08 | preglow | webguest10: what kind of graphical view do you mean? |
| 12:19:10 | B4gder | does utf8 even work without a proper BOM like that? |
| 12:19:26 | * | B4gder is a utf8 cluebie |
| 12:19:35 | Mikachu | bom is for utf16 i think |
| 12:19:48 | Mikachu | since they can be either endian |
| 12:19:51 | Mikachu | but utf8 is fixed |
| 12:19:53 | B4gder | ah, of course |
| 12:19:55 | B4gder | thanks |
| 12:19:59 | austriancoder | what coding should i use? iso8859 |
| 12:20:08 | Mikachu | -1 |
| 12:20:12 | preglow | i dunno what the stance is on that |
| 12:20:22 | B4gder | we've used the 8859-1 so far |
| 12:20:27 | preglow | i think utf8 is just fine, but we don't appear to want it in source files |
| 12:20:33 | webguest10 | preglow: like few software ones, curves and all |
| 12:20:47 | preglow | webguest10: i'm working on a curve solution, but it isn't easy on such a limited platform |
| 12:20:58 | webguest10 | Ah ok good |
| 12:21:13 | preglow | webguest10: besides, you won't be able to set the curve directly, only see how the curve will look after adjusting the sliders |
| 12:21:26 | austriancoder | preglow: i use kdevelop for coding for rockbock.. and its coding is set to utf8, buti will switch to 88589-1 |
| 12:21:34 | webguest10 | preglow: that's great anyway |
| 12:21:56 | Mikachu | won't the sliders sort of form a curve? |
| 12:21:58 | B4gder | 13 points |
| 12:22:26 | preglow | Mikachu: sort of yes, but the way the different bands combine to one curve isn't always completely intuitive |
| 12:22:37 | Mikachu | ah okay, is that changeable too? |
| 12:22:53 | preglow | Mikachu: one band might affect all the other bands as well |
| 12:22:57 | preglow | if the q is low |
| 12:23:23 | Mikachu | i'm used to winamp/xmms/beep/audacious where you can only change the value of the sliders |
| 12:23:25 | preglow | austriancoder: wait a bit, i'd like it if someone came up with an official stance :> |
| 12:23:35 | austriancoder | preglow: okay |
| 12:23:37 | B4gder | bad proto in that patch |
| 12:23:58 | preglow | is 8859-1 the Official rockbox source code charset? |
| 12:24:06 | preglow | if so, it should be set down in the contrib file |
| 12:24:09 | Mikachu | i think if you're going to decide on something it should be utf8, in case someone with a name outside latin1 joins the project :) |
| 12:24:20 | preglow | sure, i think utf8 sounds great as well |
| 12:24:29 | preglow | i think everyone should switch to utf8 for everything :> |
| 12:24:34 | * | safetydan votes for utf-8 |
| 12:24:36 | preglow | øæå |
| 12:24:45 | Mikachu | i think the keyboard definitions are in utf8, but that is maybe not a prejudice |
| 12:24:54 | austriancoder | B4gder: what do you mean with bad proto? |
| 12:24:55 | * | linuxstb doesn't mind either way. |
| 12:24:56 | Mikachu | i don't think ł is in utf8 |
| 12:24:59 | Mikachu | errrrr |
| 12:25:01 | markun_ | UTF-8 for the cvs diffs of the language files would look a lot nicer |
| 12:25:02 | Mikachu | in latin1 |
| 12:25:13 | B4gder | austriancoder: you should spot that quite easily |
| 12:25:23 | B4gder | there are 13 yellow columns |
| 12:25:33 | Mikachu | markun_: that's up to your terminal though... or if you mean in viewcvs you can change the encoding in the browser manually |
| 12:25:50 | Mikachu | since the lang files are already utf8 |
| 12:26:03 | markun_ | Mikachu: I meant the 2nd one |
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| 12:26:34 | Mikachu | i think mozilla's autodetect feature would work better if bagders apache stopped saying iso8859-1 in the http header :) |
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| 12:26:46 | B4gder | hehe |
| 12:26:58 | austriancoder | B4gder: okay found it |
| 12:28:51 | B4gder | I recall the mozilla autodetect detecting lots of log files as binary |
| 12:28:51 | t0mas | aaaaah man |
| 12:29:00 | t0mas | I hate doing nothing... |
| 12:29:12 | t0mas | just hanging around at school again |
| 12:29:13 | Mikachu | i don't even think mozilla has a binary setting |
| 12:29:25 | B4gder | no, but it detects it |
| 12:29:33 | markun | t0mas: you could order some rockbox t-shirts from bagder :) |
| 12:29:55 | t0mas | ah, he finished his plan? |
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| 12:30:09 | markun | I didn't know there was a plan.. |
| 12:30:19 | t0mas | he was thinking about how to do it |
| 12:30:56 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Does your jpeg patch save the settings? |
| 12:32:36 | B4gder | the postage for a tshirt within europe will cost me 60SEK |
| 12:32:53 | linuxstb | About 6 Euro? |
| 12:33:01 | B4gder | yeps |
| 12:33:20 | markun | also 60SEK for 2? |
| 12:33:22 | linuxstb | How many do you have? |
| 12:33:32 | t0mas | Can you fit 3 of em in 1 package? |
| 12:33:33 | Mikachu | cp: cannot create directory `./なんちゅう恋をやってるぅ You Know?': Invalid argument |
| 12:33:37 | * | Mikachu kicks fat in the balls |
| 12:33:39 | t0mas | for markun, HCl and me |
| 12:33:47 | austriancoder | linuxstb: do i dont save its settings |
| 12:34:05 | B4gder | I have about 17 shirts |
| 12:34:13 | markun | Mikachu: it's probably the '?' |
| 12:34:32 | preglow | Mikachu: hah! damn cool to see hiragana in my irssi window |
| 12:34:41 | Mikachu | yes i know, that's why i hate it :) |
| 12:34:51 | Mikachu | preglow: かっこいい です ね |
| 12:34:55 | Slasheri | hmm, rockbox shirts would be nice ;) |
| 12:35:04 | preglow | indeed |
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| 12:35:21 | Mikachu | preglow: i don't suppose you understand japanese? |
| 12:35:28 | preglow | Mikachu: not much |
| 12:35:36 | B4gder | ok, I'll write down a plan for the shirts |
| 12:35:52 | preglow | Mikachu: i had a brief stint of trying to learn in quite some years ago, and got as far as learning hiragana and most of katakana, plus some other basic stuff |
| 12:35:55 | preglow | but then i just stopped |
| 12:36:00 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 12:36:01 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 12:36:24 | * | safetydan gives up prototyping in the gimp and just starts coding instead |
| 12:36:39 | Jungti1234 | hi markun |
| 12:36:48 | markun | Jungti1234: hi |
| 12:37:07 | preglow | Mikachu: and it's amazing how fast i forget when i stop using something ;) |
| 12:37:12 | * | austriancoder eating |
| 12:37:29 | Mikachu | preglow: they're pretty easy to forget too :) |
| 12:37:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb: no |
| 12:37:36 | JdGordon | should it? |
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| 12:38:40 | linuxstb | At least the timeout value would be useful to save. You can look at how pacbox does it, but it's not very clean (duplicated definitions of everything - one for the menu, one for the config file). |
| 12:39:15 | webguest71 | I just noticed something about backlight on X5 |
| 12:40:25 | webguest71 | the LCD backlight never turn off, is it one wanted behaviour? |
| 12:41:04 | B4gder | it certainly switches off on my x5 |
| 12:41:20 | webguest71 | because on original fw, the backlight goes for fex second in semi turn off state the turn off completly |
| 12:41:43 | B4gder | is it readable without backlight? |
| 12:41:49 | JdGordon | linuxstb: im going to watch west wing.. then ahve aa look at adding exif support.. so i can add the setting saving then... back in an hour |
| 12:42:36 | webguest71 | not turned totally of the screen, it's great but for batterie usage that not too good |
| 12:43:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I wouldn't say it's a high priority, but users would probably expect their settings to be saved. |
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| 12:44:56 | B4gder | webguest71: so is it readable without backlight? |
| 12:45:33 | webguest18 | B4gder: yes readable without backlight now |
| 12:45:35 | B4gder | the reason we don't have any lcd on but backlight off is that the h3x0 lcd is completely useless without backlight |
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| 12:46:05 | webguest18 | but that eat batterie a bit much like Cowan fw turned of the backlight |
| 12:46:32 | B4gder | what did eat batteries? |
| 12:46:38 | B4gder | backlight on all the time? |
| 12:46:40 | webguest18 | ok, I like it that way but I'm afraid for batterie |
| 12:46:54 | webguest18 | maybe configurable could be perfect |
| 12:47:40 | webguest18 | sorry, I have to read the log for replies IRC chanel screen don't want to update :( |
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| 12:48:13 | webguest18 | yes currently the baclight never turn off, then a bit of eating batterie than original fw |
| 12:48:36 | B4gder | I don't understand what you're talking about |
| 12:48:46 | B4gder | backlight switches off on my x5 |
| 12:48:52 | B4gder | the whole lcd switches off |
| 12:49:04 | webguest18 | I don't know how named this baclight state, not tuned off but readable |
| 12:49:04 | dwihno | Nah, that's just you blinking ;) |
| 12:49:36 | petur | LCD off you mean? |
| 12:49:59 | webguest18 | B4gder: maybe you are in one place without enough light |
| 12:50:23 | B4gder | are you saying that the backlight switches off but the lcd is kept on? |
| 12:50:28 | webguest18 | but here screen definitively readable without backlight, because doesn't completly turned of the LCD |
| 12:50:48 | Mikachu | this is a bit unrelated to the current discussion, but does the trick with sending am radio waves with a display only work with crt displays? |
| 12:51:04 | webguest18 | Grr... why God this IRC buged, I see no replies, obliged to switch to irc logs |
| 12:51:17 | B4gder | webguest18: use a proper irc client instead |
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| 12:53:37 | webguest68 | no :( |
| 12:54:24 | linuxstb | Anyone have any ideas about dealing with the increasing number of multi-file plugins? There are a fast-growing number of if statements in apps/plugins/Makefile itself now. IMO, we could use something like SOURCES for sub-directories. |
| 12:54:39 | B4gder | I agree |
| 12:54:49 | B4gder | but I haven't done any closer thinking on the subject |
| 12:55:13 | preglow | yeah, that sounds good |
| 12:56:19 | linuxstb | I guess the question is do we modify SOURCES to include subdirs, or do we create a new (e.g. SUBDIRS) file? |
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| 12:57:10 | B4gder | or put new SOURCES files in the subtree |
| 12:57:52 | B4gder | hm, just modifying or adding SOURCES doesn't quite cover all cases, does it? |
| 12:58:05 | B4gder | we still want target-specific dirs |
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| 12:58:13 | B4gder | so perhaps a SUBDIRS is what we want |
| 12:58:38 | linuxstb | I think so. We could also use it in apps/ |
| 12:58:51 | B4gder | yes |
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| 13:02:51 | linuxstb | OK, I may look at it later - unless someone else fancies it. |
| 13:03:14 | JdGordon | does any1 else think a text editor would be handy in the 3.0 release?? :p |
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| 13:04:37 | Garry | re |
| 13:05:57 | Garry | B4gder: can you read your LCD without backlight too? (I was webguest) |
| 13:06:19 | B4gder | I don't have it here to check |
| 13:06:32 | Garry | ok |
| 13:06:52 | B4gder | but I'll check that out later |
| 13:06:57 | Garry | just wanted to verify, because here baccklight never go of |
| 13:07:13 | B4gder | you mean the LCD never gets off? |
| 13:07:24 | B4gder | or do you actually mean backlight is on all the time? |
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| 13:08:36 | Garry | backlight go off but apparently still a bit of light for read the LCD cause with original fw tere was this too but just few seconds before go completly off |
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| 13:11:52 | Garry1 | maybe LinusN know why |
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| 13:13:30 | B4gder | the code simply doesn't switch it off |
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| 13:14:11 | B4gder | feel freeo to submit a patch that improves it |
| 13:15:04 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 13:15:05 | Jungti1234 | http://dvdprime.dreamwiz.com/images/news_special/200603281057367930.jpg |
| 13:15:12 | Jungti1234 | dual-core player |
| 13:15:33 | safetydan | Jungti1234, aren't the iPod's already dual core? |
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| 13:15:56 | Jungti1234 | hahaha really? |
| 13:16:18 | linuxstb | Yes, all the ipods are dual-core, and in addition, the 5g also has a dual-core video DSP. |
| 13:16:27 | Jungti1234 | ah... |
| 13:16:28 | B4gd3r | all PP players even |
| 13:16:33 | B4gd3r | there are many more than ipods too |
| 13:16:34 | linuxstb | indeed. |
| 13:16:50 | linuxstb | iriver H10 is one. |
| 13:17:17 | linuxstb | Someone really needs to try a Rockbox port to the H10... |
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| 13:18:40 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 13:19:57 | preglow | ok, has anyone in here successfully opened an ipod? |
| 13:20:49 | preglow | linuxstb: and do you know how the pcf would react to having no battery voltage? |
| 13:21:21 | linuxstb | preglow: Sorry, I've no idea. |
| 13:21:22 | preglow | i assume it has no other source of power, so will forget its settings pretty quick |
| 13:21:54 | preglow | is the menu/select power on mechanism controlled by the pcf or something else? |
| 13:22:31 | linuxstb | I think there is an "EXTON" pin on the pcf, and pressing menu or select activates that pin. |
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| 13:36:32 | preglow | linuxstb: will usb trigger exton too? |
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| 13:39:05 | austriancoder | bye all |
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| 13:40:45 | preglow | safetydan: btw, any reason you've started using javadoc comments in dsp.c? |
| 13:44:02 | markun | preglow: is the C version of the new crossfeed finished? |
| 13:44:05 | preglow | markun: yes |
| 13:44:16 | preglow | markun: at least i think so, i'm about to test it with settings code now |
| 13:44:16 | markun | nice, how's the sound and CPU usage? |
| 13:44:34 | safetydan | preglow, err... force of habit? |
| 13:44:34 | preglow | we'll see |
| 13:44:50 | safetydan | doxygen has a javadoc parser as well |
| 13:45:04 | preglow | yeah, i use javadoc style for doxygen myself |
| 13:45:20 | safetydan | the lack of documentation of parameter types was starting to bug me :) |
| 13:45:32 | safetydan | so I figured I'd try and be good myself |
| 13:45:39 | linuxstb | preglow: I think external power triggers on. IIRC, we set the EXTON and CHGON bits when we put the pcf into standby. |
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| 13:47:20 | preglow | safetydan: yeah, some places really could need that |
| 13:47:48 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm basically just wondering if the pcf will wake up on usb if it hasn't got enough power to remember its state |
| 13:47:56 | preglow | but i guess there's no way to find out except trying... |
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| 13:48:22 | linuxstb | Have you looked at the pcf datasheet? |
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| 13:50:09 | preglow | of course not :> |
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| 13:52:14 | preglow | why does the sim buffer underrun so easily? |
| 13:52:20 | preglow | i'm on a friggin athlon64 here |
| 13:53:13 | safetydan | preglow, I still blame the yield() implementation for that |
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| 13:53:50 | preglow | how does that work? |
| 13:54:43 | preglow | blargh, the replaygain decibel convertor can't convert anything under -23db |
| 13:54:55 | safetydan | mutex_unlock(p); sleep(1); mutex_lock(p) |
| 13:55:03 | preglow | ehhh... |
| 13:55:15 | safetydan | Try to map rockbox threads on to sdl threads |
| 13:55:38 | preglow | not trivial? |
| 13:56:14 | linuxstb | safetydan: That sleeps for one second? |
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| 13:57:01 | safetydan | linuxstb, 1 millisecond |
| 13:57:03 | safetydan | or tries to |
| 13:57:09 | safetydan | actually it's 10 milliseconds |
| 13:57:42 | linuxstb | The standard POSIX sleep() function is in seconds... |
| 13:57:49 | safetydan | now actually I read the source... it's SDL_Delay(1); which will try for 1ms but will average 10ms probably |
| 13:58:27 | safetydan | preglow, no the mapping isn't trivial since sdl threads lack a yield() so we have to fake it so that they're cooperative |
| 13:59:05 | safetydan | sdl 1.3/2.0 is supposed to have a yield implementation so maybe that will make it easier when it's released |
| 13:59:12 | preglow | yes |
| 13:59:16 | preglow | in about ten years |
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| 14:01:37 | linuxstb | safetydan: sleep(1) is used in kernel.c - in queue_wait_w_tmo() |
| 14:01:49 | linuxstb | That will sleep for 1 second. |
| 14:02:08 | linuxstb | (in uisimulator/sdl/kernel.c) |
| 14:02:54 | safetydan | okay, well that's obviously wrong |
| 14:02:59 | preglow | very, very, very wrong |
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| 14:03:05 | safetydan | lousy cut and paste |
| 14:03:20 | linuxstb | But it's the same in the x11 and win32 versions... |
| 14:03:50 | safetydan | Well I'll try changing it to an SDL_Delay(1) and see what happens. |
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| 14:05:20 | safetydan | wee... lock up |
| 14:06:46 | preglow | how's that possible? |
| 14:07:51 | safetydan | I don't know. |
| 14:08:24 | safetydan | actually... it should be calling sim_sleep not sleep |
| 14:08:48 | safetydan | changing it has no effect on the underruns though |
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| 14:10:21 | safetydan | well, I'll commit the s/sleep/sim_sleep/g change |
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| 14:30:00 | preglow | markun: isn't that negative constant in your crossfeed quite wrong now? i think david bryant meant to correct it, but didn't quite make it |
| 14:30:46 | dpro | ok now attempting latest cvs on a mini ... let's see ;) |
| 14:31:35 | B4gder | yay |
| 14:33:13 | bobTHC | some infos about ipod/accessories protocols > http://www.maushammer.com/systems/ipod-remote/ipod-remote.html |
| 14:34:02 | bobTHC | http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/%7Ee0026607/ipod_remote/ipod_ap_new.html |
| 14:36:02 | bobTHC | to make rockbox compatible with ipod accessories |
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| 14:36:21 | markun | preglow: it might be wrong now, I'm not sure |
| 14:37:03 | markun | preglow: I only did it because of my hs filter (which was not optimal anyway) |
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| 14:42:58 | preglow | it wasn't even an hs filter, heh |
| 14:43:08 | preglow | the new design doesn't even have an hs filter |
| 14:48:19 | linuxstb | Oooh. Proof that Rockbox sounds like a bag of shit: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3228 |
| 14:48:30 | B4gder | hehe, yeah |
| 14:49:16 | linuxstb | Is it possible that the DAC's not initialised properly? |
| 14:49:21 | preglow | veyr |
| 14:49:22 | preglow | very <- |
| 14:49:23 | B4gder | I guess so |
| 14:49:54 | preglow | looks like perhaps the oversampling filter is misconfigured |
| 14:50:33 | safetydan | at least there's a graph this time rather than "it sounds crap to my ears therefore Rockbox is crap" |
| 14:50:40 | preglow | yes |
| 14:51:01 | B4gder | graphs are good |
| 14:56:06 | preglow | safetydan: having to press up for decreasing db values is a bit confusing, so i think i'll just make those settings negative in settings.c |
| 14:56:28 | safetydan | preglow, okay, you'll need to make the setting signed again |
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| 15:01:41 | preglow | sure |
| 15:01:53 | preglow | hmm |
| 15:02:04 | preglow | i think actually the crossfeed might benefit rather well from a combined parameter |
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| 15:08:46 | davinci_ | hello |
| 15:08:58 | amiconn | Bah, jpeg.c was converted to UTF-8.... |
| 15:09:43 | bobTHC | wtf |
| 15:11:22 | davinci_ | should I post lang file-patch by "Flyspray"? |
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| 15:12:34 | preglow | who's broken the left/right behaviour in the pitch screen? |
| 15:12:45 | preglow | amiconn: any good reason we shouldn't use utf8? |
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| 15:13:31 | warthawg | how does battery usage compare between rockbox on a nano and ipod on a nano? |
| 15:13:32 | davinci_ | Anyone? Or should it be mailed to developer? |
| 15:13:32 | dpro | preglow: I didn't - but what's broken ? |
| 15:13:50 | * | safetydan recreates the "twips" concept in Rockbox |
| 15:13:57 | safetydan | davinci_, post it to the tracker, i.e. flyspray |
| 15:15:04 | preglow | dpro: the left and right adjustments don't snap back when you release the control anymore |
| 15:18:36 | dpro | preglow: ah ok I thought it was supposed to be that way (I used left-wait a little-right combos, not all that bad) |
| 15:19:16 | dpro | preglow: BTW I added pause and seek to the pitch screen, only on ipod though + needs more testing ... |
| 15:20:16 | preglow | the entire pitch screen is made like it is for dj use |
| 15:20:55 | preglow | but all these options might be a wee bit too subtle for the crossfeed, hmm |
| 15:21:04 | dpro | preglow: but it's not really usable yet, that's why I still have a lot of hacking to do ... |
| 15:21:20 | linuxstb | davinci_: Yes, please post lang patches to flyspray in the same way as other patches. |
| 15:22:39 | dpro | preglow: but I'll probably source this out to a nano specific plugin anyway (or heavily patch wps since most of the stuff is in there already) |
| 15:25:30 | preglow | well, the volume issue in crossfeed is definitely gone |
| 15:26:03 | safetydan | \o/ |
| 15:26:05 | safetydan | but...? |
| 15:26:09 | davinci_ | done: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4942 If developers think it's not useles they (you? ;) ) will add it, right? |
| 15:27:30 | dpro | preglow: BTW set_pitch seems to have heavy delays (at least on ipod nano) before anything noticeable happens ... any idea why that is ? |
| 15:27:40 | preglow | dpro: all effects processing has delays in rockbox |
| 15:27:52 | preglow | that's because of the long buffering we use |
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| 15:28:42 | dpro | preglow: ic, where is that done ? dsp.c ? (sorry for my dumb questions, I'm juet trying to get the hang of it) |
| 15:29:14 | safetydan | there is that low latency function |
| 15:29:18 | dpro | preglow: eventually I'd really like to get the playbacksystem to a state where one can scrub fwd/back through the buffer ... |
| 15:29:50 | safetydan | dpro, try calling pcmbuf_set_low_latency(true) before changing the pitch setting |
| 15:30:02 | safetydan | don't forget to call pcmbuf_set_low_latency(false) after |
| 15:30:51 | preglow | dpro: you'll never be able to do that without massive buffering |
| 15:31:01 | dpro | preglow: will seamless_seek(currentpos) work better for pause/unpause than audio_pause/resume (I mentioned the hard to predict delays before here) ? |
| 15:31:02 | preglow | dpro: our decoders are far, far from fast enough to do for example 10x speed ffwd |
| 15:31:28 | preglow | unless you're doing wav or something, of course |
| 15:31:43 | dpro | preglow: I thought the buffer was big already, I talk about scrubbing the buffer not an encoded file |
| 15:32:22 | dpro | preglow: and only short portions of the sound, not turntablism ;) |
| 15:32:28 | linuxstb | The uncompressed buffer is 512KB - about 3 seconds of 44.1KHz 16-bit stereo. |
| 15:32:35 | B4gder | aah, x5v bootloader reported working |
| 15:32:38 | preglow | dpro: but where's the fun then ;) |
| 15:32:54 | dpro | preglow: hehe - get a record player man ! |
| 15:34:29 | preglow | i do have a record player, but i can't carry it around |
| 15:34:30 | preglow | heh |
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| 15:34:46 | amiconn | preglow: The sources were always in ISO8859-1. I expect there are several source editors incapable of UTF-8, and since UTF-8 breaks the 1 char == 1 byte rule, it shouldn't be used for source code imho |
| 15:36:13 | safetydan | There are editors that can't handle UTF-8? |
| 15:36:19 | preglow | i just think we should start using utf-8 for everthing |
| 15:36:24 | preglow | we're a unicode project now, after all |
| 15:36:40 | preglow | amiconn: and why does the 1 char == 1 byte rule matter? we're talking about comments here |
| 15:37:27 | preglow | if someone insists on using edit.com for editing, they're by far strange enough to be used to weird looking characters |
| 15:38:11 | preglow | the sooner i don't have to care about character sets any longer, the better, and for me that means starting to use utf-8 everywhere i can |
| 15:39:09 | * | safetydan nods |
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| 15:40:43 | amiconn | preglow: It's not only edit.com, and not everyone uses (or even can use) UTF-8 |
| 15:41:00 | amiconn | ...e.g. there's (afaik) no windows locale that supports UTF-8 |
| 15:41:54 | preglow | plenty of editors that support it |
| 15:42:10 | amiconn | preglow: midkay broke the pitchscreen behaviour... |
| 15:42:16 | preglow | then he needs to fix it again |
| 15:42:37 | amiconn | Yes. I already mentioned that to him... |
| 15:42:43 | preglow | i'll mention it again |
| 15:43:06 | safetydan | even notepad can handle utf-8 |
| 15:43:21 | preglow | i seriously doubt there are any popular programs that don't |
| 15:43:21 | amiconn | ConTEXT can't (yet) |
| 15:43:39 | preglow | then the coder needs a serious talking to |
| 15:44:02 | bobTHC | for this project and since the begining source HAVE to be in ISO8859-1 |
| 15:44:09 | preglow | not doing everything but your best to get out of charset hell is incomprehensible to me |
| 15:44:25 | preglow | bobTHC: guess who wants to change that! :) |
| 15:45:20 | Lynx_ | where in the wiki are the theme config files described again? |
| 15:45:44 | B4gder | they are just normal config files |
| 15:45:50 | B4gder | generated at make zip time |
| 15:46:25 | B4gder | by wpsbuild.pl |
| 15:46:34 | preglow | anyway, if you can't use utf8 in your editor, then no harm is done anyway |
| 15:46:40 | preglow | the editor won't convert any characters |
| 15:46:42 | Lynx_ | i mean the options that are used in the file, what the numbers describing forground and background colours mean, for example |
| 15:47:37 | B4gder | the themes files don't contain any such info afaik |
| 15:47:51 | preglow | that'd be the config file |
| 15:47:58 | preglow | the theme file doesn't contain much at all, afaik |
| 15:48:30 | Lynx_ | actually my problem is that i just installed the the ajant themes, and choose the romul color version. but now it's black text on more or less black background, and i can't read the menu anymore. |
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| 15:49:13 | Lynx_ | and the 'ajant romul.cfg' file in the themes dir has a 'foreground' section, and i thought that might mean the colour of the text |
| 15:49:24 | preglow | then it probably does, heh |
| 15:49:32 | B4gder | then someone hand-edited that theme config file |
| 15:49:51 | Lynx_ | hmm |
| 15:49:54 | preglow | B4gder: set up some commiter voting facilities in a jiffy, please :) |
| 15:50:08 | Lynx_ | it sais foreground: 64512 and i wonder what the number means |
| 15:50:40 | LinusN | hmmm, i can't see what i could have done wrong with the dac settings on the x5 |
| 15:51:22 | preglow | he didn't say how he measured it, though |
| 15:51:25 | preglow | think i'll ask |
| 15:51:34 | preglow | might be a codec problem |
| 15:51:43 | preglow | though it's doubtful |
| 15:52:09 | LinusN | the thing is that the tlv320 has no filter settings |
| 15:52:17 | LinusN | only deemphasis |
| 15:52:25 | amiconn | preglow: An UTF-8 file in a not UTF-8 capable editor looks like gibberish. |
| 15:52:49 | preglow | LinusN: not even oversampling filter settings? |
| 15:52:52 | amiconn | .e.g like that: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/jpeg.c.diff?r1=1.41&r2=1.42 |
| 15:52:55 | preglow | amiconn: certain characters will, yes |
| 15:53:01 | amiconn | Look at the copyright line... |
| 15:53:03 | preglow | but you don't have to touch those characters |
| 15:53:11 | LinusN | preglow: i can select oversampling rate, 256fs or 384fs |
| 15:53:11 | preglow | it's just a comment anyway |
| 15:53:18 | amiconn | No, but maybe I want to be able to *read* the text?? |
| 15:53:22 | preglow | LinusN: currently using? |
| 15:53:27 | LinusN | 256 |
| 15:53:32 | preglow | LinusN: should be ample |
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| 15:54:50 | preglow | LinusN: but still might be worth a shot, of course |
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| 15:55:25 | preglow | tucoz: what charset are we using in the manual, btw? |
| 15:55:35 | tucoz | latin-1 |
| 15:55:39 | tucoz | I think |
| 15:55:48 | LinusN | preglow: the cowon fw uses 256 |
| 15:55:57 | preglow | LinusN: then that's obviously not the problem, no |
| 15:56:07 | preglow | it should be more than enough anyway |
| 15:56:13 | tucoz | Febs, ping |
| 15:56:17 | preglow | if you can botch a design at 256 times oversampling, you're talentless |
| 15:56:21 | amiconn | LinusN: What's the problem? |
| 15:56:36 | preglow | amiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3228 |
| 15:56:36 | LinusN | amiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3228.0;topicseen |
| 15:56:42 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:59:09 | Jungti1234 | phaedrus961, there? |
| 15:59:16 | Lynx_ | so, how do i change the font colour in rockbox? |
| 15:59:16 | dpro | safetydan: pcmbuf_set_low_latency(true); doesn't help (same as before) also pause/resume has the same issues |
| 15:59:21 | preglow | amiconn: context seems to be one of the only editors that manages to not support unicode at all |
| 15:59:42 | preglow | doesn't seem to support very many charsets at all, actually |
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| 16:00:11 | cpu_usr | lol idoom HAHA |
| 16:00:19 | cpu_usr | cant seem to get it to work on my 3g 15gig |
| 16:00:26 | B4gder | ? |
| 16:00:28 | preglow | #ipodlinux |
| 16:00:30 | B4gder | idoom is not on Rockbox |
| 16:00:57 | Febs | tucoz, I'm here. |
| 16:01:07 | tucoz | manual is broken :( |
| 16:01:11 | cpu_usr | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060125.txt |
| 16:01:33 | B4gder | cpu_usr: www.rockbox.org |
| 16:01:36 | preglow | cpu_usr: so what? |
| 16:01:55 | preglow | cpu_usr: we don't do idoom, go to #ipodlinux for that, and i very seriously doubt they'll answer too many questions either |
| 16:02:05 | Febs | Let me see if I can figure out what I did to break it. |
| 16:02:19 | tucoz | good |
| 16:02:51 | Jungti1234 | bye... |
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| 16:03:15 | cpu_usr | wow |
| 16:03:23 | tucoz | Febs, do you want to change some \dap to \dap\ in system_options and display_options. Just happened to notice while I looked at your changes :) |
| 16:03:25 | cpu_usr | ur serious o no.. what shall i do haha |
| 16:03:57 | Febs | Yes. I also need to clean up some places were I used capital letters for options instead of quotes. |
| 16:03:58 | cpu_usr | peace out.. |
| 16:04:06 | | Part cpu_usr |
| 16:04:07 | preglow | learning to spell would be a good start |
| 16:04:09 | B4gder | cpu_usr: you should make rockbox run on your 3g and then make sure the rockbox doom runs on it |
| 16:04:15 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 16:04:55 | tucoz | Febs, nice progress anyway. Starting to look good. |
| 16:05:11 | preglow | always nice to see someone ircing as root |
| 16:05:31 | tucoz | hehe |
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| 16:07:47 | Febs | How do I redirect the compiler error messages to a file? Make > file? |
| 16:08:08 | linuxstb | I would use "make &> file" |
| 16:08:14 | B4gder | make >file 2>&1 |
| 16:08:35 | B4gder | since errors are likely to be on stderr |
| 16:09:19 | linuxstb | Isn't that the same as my suggestion? |
| 16:09:42 | B4gder | not in plain sh syntax |
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| 16:09:56 | linuxstb | Ah, so your syntax is sh, mine is bash? |
| 16:10:07 | B4gder | I don't know yours actually |
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| 16:10:49 | linuxstb | I've always just used that, and it always redirects both stdout and stderr. |
| 16:10:56 | B4gder | ok |
| 16:10:58 | tucoz | Febs, look in manual/rockbox-build.log |
| 16:11:02 | B4gder | but yes, it fails on sh |
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| 16:13:32 | Febs | Got it. Tucoz, take a look at my comment on the ManualHowto page about Chapter 4. |
| 16:13:44 | tucoz | Febs, ok :) goodie |
| 16:15:22 | tucoz | Febs, somehow that comment got removed. Weird |
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| 16:15:46 | tucoz | and it looks like I removed it, but I did not |
| 16:17:40 | Febs | Strange. |
| 16:17:51 | tucoz | Febs, if you feel it is a natural break, then I suggest you split the chapter |
| 16:18:16 | tucoz | I added your comment. Wonder why it got removed. |
| 16:18:59 | tucoz | I agree that the chapter is too long |
| 16:19:44 | tucoz | Febs, what was the errror with the build? |
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| 16:23:05 | Febs | I'm looking for it now. |
| 16:23:49 | tucoz | ah, I thought you had found it |
| 16:24:19 | tucoz | got to go |
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| 16:26:34 | dpro | is anyone working on cue point/loop support ? |
| 16:26:47 | B4gder | I don't think so |
| 16:26:49 | bobTHC | :) |
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| 16:31:29 | dpro | hrrrmmm why can't I use rebuffer_and_seek(pos) from the pitch screen ? |
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| 16:34:20 | dpro | ok I changed it from static ... let's see what happens ... |
| 16:37:34 | b00st4 | hmm, why does my ipod reset status from time to time? |
| 16:37:41 | b00st4 | bout once a day... |
| 16:37:56 | B4gder | b00st4: because you install a rockbox with a bounced setting count |
| 16:38:06 | b00st4 | mean? |
| 16:38:12 | B4gder | it changed config format |
| 16:38:32 | b00st4 | but that happens inconstantly |
| 16:38:45 | B4gder | but only at rockbox updates, right? |
| 16:38:46 | b00st4 | only sometimes when i switch on |
| 16:38:49 | b00st4 | nope |
| 16:38:52 | B4gder | ok |
| 16:38:56 | B4gder | then its something else |
| 16:38:59 | b00st4 | thats the strange thing |
| 16:39:07 | b00st4 | otherwise it would be normal |
| 16:39:13 | b00st4 | and acceptable |
| 16:39:32 | b00st4 | but its nasty to configure all settings 3 times a day |
| 16:39:44 | B4gder | save a config file |
| 16:39:46 | B4gder | and reload that |
| 16:40:54 | b00st4 | can i do that on my ipod? |
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| 16:43:07 | linuxstb | b00st4: Do you have the hold switch on when you turn it on? |
| 16:46:12 | b00st4 | could be |
| 16:46:30 | b00st4 | but no, if i got hold, i cant turn on |
| 16:46:50 | linuxstb | If you plug it in to USB or a wall charger with hold on, then it will still turn on. |
| 16:46:54 | | Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:47:31 | linuxstb | It's not perfect, but turning on your ipod with the hold switch on tells Rockbox you want to reset the settings. |
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| 16:49:01 | b00st4 | aight, thx |
| 16:49:31 | b00st4 | i did now a cfg and if it happens again, i just load it |
| 16:49:42 | Kyomi | Hmm |
| 16:49:47 | b00st4 | and i know now, always turn hold off |
| 16:49:50 | Kyomi | Is there a discussion thread for the Doom game/ |
| 16:49:51 | Kyomi | ? |
| 16:50:06 | b00st4 | there is one |
| 16:50:18 | b00st4 | but dunno where...sry |
| 16:50:29 | Kyomi | Because I'd like strafing/run to be in the next release |
| 16:50:35 | Kyomi | So I can get past level 2 |
| 16:50:57 | Kyomi | Without run... you're screwed |
| 16:51:09 | b00st4 | ^^ |
| 16:51:11 | B4gder | Kyomi: there's a forum, try that |
| 16:51:20 | Kyomi | You can't get to the red keycard on the second level in that lil castle like thing |
| 16:51:34 | | Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@shahassociates.plus.com) |
| 16:51:38 | Kyomi | You always fall short... besides... You can't get the rocket launcher on the first level either :( |
| 16:52:38 | bobTHC | hehee, better support than the ID software games tips channel |
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| 16:53:38 | | Nick Kyomi is now known as Kyomi|off (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) |
| 16:53:48 | linuxstb | Kyomi: I am sure there are threads on misticriver in the H300 Rockbox forum. |
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| 16:58:39 | [IDC]Dragon | who is cvs user Christian? |
| 16:58:46 | B4gder | austriancoder |
| 16:59:02 | [IDC]Dragon | not around atm |
| 16:59:21 | B4gder | nope |
| 16:59:22 | [IDC]Dragon | he made a nono in jpeg.c |
| 16:59:55 | [IDC]Dragon | links agains the rockbox core |
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| 17:00:05 | B4gder | ouch |
| 17:00:37 | [IDC]Dragon | and crippled my name in the (c) |
| 17:01:02 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: Are you sure it's linking against the core, and not against functions in the plugin lib? |
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| 17:01:14 | b00st4 | any chance to make a bootscreen for rockbox? |
| 17:01:17 | b00st4 | ^^ |
| 17:01:29 | B4gder | b00st4: there source is there ===> |
| 17:01:34 | B4gder | the source |
| 17:01:40 | b00st4 | where? |
| 17:01:42 | linuxstb | No, its there <==== |
| 17:01:47 | [IDC]Dragon | he's not using the rb-> pointer |
| 17:01:48 | b00st4 | lol |
| 17:02:02 | b00st4 | nah, how can i do that? |
| 17:02:07 | B4gder | [IDC]Dragon: what particular source line? |
| 17:02:12 | [IDC]Dragon | playback_control(rb); |
| 17:02:21 | linuxstb | Yes, that's a plugin lib function. |
| 17:02:32 | [IDC]Dragon | huh? |
| 17:02:34 | b00st4 | for a bootscreen? |
| 17:02:57 | [IDC]Dragon | how can, without the fn pointer? |
| 17:03:04 | [IDC]Dragon | is that a macro? |
| 17:03:11 | B4gder | b00st4: where did you try to change? |
| 17:03:27 | b00st4 | i didnt try yet, thats why im askin |
| 17:03:33 | B4gder | and I say edit source |
| 17:03:45 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: The plugin lib is statically linked against every plugin - no api pointer needed. |
| 17:03:48 | b00st4 | i cant do that so far |
| 17:04:06 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, that's new to me |
| 17:04:30 | | Part XavierGr |
| 17:04:30 | [IDC]Dragon | why #include "playback_control.h" then? |
| 17:04:31 | linuxstb | The greyscale lib works the same way - but the plugin lib has been extended to have more features. |
| 17:04:53 | linuxstb | That contains the prototypes for the functions in the plugin lib - it's in apps/plugins/lib/ |
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| 17:05:00 | b00st4 | i would like to show a pic, while loading is that possible? |
| 17:05:03 | bobTHC | btw, someone already think about a totally improbable Mozilla iminimo port ? |
| 17:05:06 | linuxstb | (some of the functions - there are various .h files there) |
| 17:05:14 | b00st4 | after the acual booting |
| 17:05:55 | b00st4 | any chance to make that? |
| 17:06:01 | linuxstb | b00st4: Do you mean before the Rockbox logo is displayed? |
| 17:06:06 | b00st4 | after |
| 17:06:10 | bobTHC | s/iminimo/minimo |
| 17:06:11 | b00st4 | or instead |
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| 17:06:54 | linuxstb | If you can compile Rockbox yourself from the source, then it's easy to change the logo bitmap to something else. |
| 17:07:04 | tempi | Anyone of the developers here? I see a possible conflict with 60GB 5G ipods I like to clarify (about the ipodloader2 from ipodlinux) |
| 17:07:06 | b00st4 | what file is it |
| 17:07:24 | b00st4 | i got an ipod 5g 60gb... |
| 17:07:28 | tempi | ah, linuxstb - you could be the one i am looking for |
| 17:07:30 | bobTHC | tempi > ask |
| 17:07:42 | linuxstb | tempi: Yes, we know we ignore the extra 32MB of RAM, if that's the question. |
| 17:07:56 | tempi | ah. q answered. thanks :) |
| 17:08:00 | b00st4 | ^^ |
| 17:08:07 | B4gder | haha |
| 17:08:10 | tempi | i will add a note to the source then |
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| 17:08:24 | tempi | so that i won't have to ask again in a few weeks when i forgot |
| 17:08:39 | linuxstb | None of the Rockbox devs have a 60GB model, and no-one else has provided a patch.... (which would be welcome!) |
| 17:09:01 | b00st4 | damn, that would be great |
| 17:09:07 | b00st4 | im afraid im at the beginning |
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| 17:10:41 | b00st4 | any1 could do oe |
| 17:10:50 | b00st4 | one |
| 17:11:12 | linuxstb | b00st4: The logo for the 5g is the file apps/bitmaps/native/rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp |
| 17:11:21 | b00st4 | linuxstb: in what file i can change the bmp? |
| 17:11:28 | b00st4 | ahh |
| 17:11:36 | b00st4 | thx |
| 17:12:06 | linuxstb | You just need to replace that file with any 24-bit bmp file that's up to 320 pixels wide and (I think) up to about 230 pixels high, and then compile Rockbox. |
| 17:12:07 | * | B4gder detects that linuxstb has started to answer questions before they are asked |
| 17:12:22 | * | linuxstb has been here too long... |
| 17:12:27 | nudel | i want an animation to play during power-up |
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| 17:12:31 | B4gder | haha |
| 17:12:38 | B4gder | that's a challange for you |
| 17:12:43 | b00st4 | thx |
| 17:13:01 | OPP | i like the boot logo , but can i change the background image while browsing on the x5 |
| 17:13:17 | * | linuxstb resigns and goes back to work |
| 17:13:24 | B4gder | OPP: yes, set as backdrop |
| 17:13:29 | OPP | ahh k |
| 17:13:41 | OPP | im thinking of making a WPS but it seems hard |
| 17:14:06 | OPP | a color one |
| 17:14:22 | B4gder | there are many existing to look at |
| 17:14:26 | B4gder | for inspiration |
| 17:14:29 | OPP | ya |
| 17:14:56 | b00st4 | how big is the screen for 5g ipod |
| 17:15:17 | B4gder | 320x240 |
| 17:15:59 | b00st4 | thx |
| 17:16:07 | OPP | what kind of battery life can i expect with rockbox on the x5 |
| 17:18:41 | B4gder | try it and tell us |
| 17:18:47 | OPP | ok |
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| 17:22:14 | dpro | aarg if pause/resume was a bit more predictable dj'ing would be much more fun ;) |
| 17:22:33 | OPP | i have a shity |
| 17:22:35 | OPP | shirt* |
| 17:22:43 | OPP | :-D |
| 17:22:49 | OPP | and it says, "dj's scratch their 12 inch" |
| 17:23:14 | dpro | OPP: that's pretty bad indeed :) |
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| 17:23:58 | dpro | OPP: I don't even feel like scratching my nano (yeah I know) predictable pause/resume is all I ask for ;) |
| 17:24:12 | OPP | lol |
| 17:24:19 | OPP | did you see the ipod deck |
| 17:24:28 | dpro | the numark thing ? |
| 17:24:54 | OPP | yep |
| 17:25:04 | dpro | that I can do with my laptop, and a ~150$ hercules dj console ... that's _boring_ ;) |
| 17:25:13 | OPP | ya |
| 17:25:35 | dpro | + my laptop compiles rockbox _and_ receives email |
| 17:25:48 | tempi | btw, i like to make a test of the loader2 to see if it loads rockbox properly. is there a ready file that i can download for testing on a 5G? |
| 17:25:50 | dpro | while playing if necessary |
| 17:25:51 | Kyomi|off | lol....email? |
| 17:25:52 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: playback_control is part of the plugin api (since a few days), like grayscale, xlcd, configfile, highscore, overlay, playergfx and profile_plugin |
| 17:26:01 | tempi | i just need to see if it loads. it won't run anyways on my MacPod then :) |
| 17:26:04 | amiconn | s/plugin api/plugin lib/ |
| 17:26:10 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: thanks, I'll shutup |
| 17:26:15 | Kyomi|off | Oh.. I thought you meant your DAP receives email |
| 17:26:17 | dpro | tempi: compared to the numarc accessory |
| 17:26:27 | tempi | dpro? huh? |
| 17:26:39 | dpro | tempi: ah sorry -> kyomi |
| 17:26:44 | tempi | ahh |
| 17:27:05 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: (but I already complained about your crippled name, aka UTF-8 mangling) |
| 17:27:06 | [IDC]Dragon | (looking closer, it's hard to imagine how to link against rb) |
| 17:27:16 | linuxstb | tempi: Downloads are here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 17:27:50 | [IDC]Dragon | did I say I started on a wav recording plugin? |
| 17:27:55 | dpro | I tried dj'ing with rockbox now for an hour or so and it kinda works but it's such a drag ... it takes 100 tries to get the start right (everytime) |
| 17:27:58 | tempi | got it, thanks linuxstb |
| 17:28:08 | [IDC]Dragon | (not much done yet) |
| 17:28:38 | linuxstb | Is the hardware capable of 44.1KHz/16-bit Stereo recording? |
| 17:28:54 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:29:00 | amiconn | Even 48kHz/16 bit stereo |
| 17:29:20 | [IDC]Dragon | if we can suck the data |
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| 17:30:15 | dpro | where should I start looking to make it pause when I press pause and resume exactly when I press again ? |
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| 17:30:37 | amiconn | Shouldn't be much of a problem. The bigger problem is whether we can cope with flushing the data to disk on Ondio, while polling the MAS PIO |
| 17:30:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd like to open the door for a guitar tuner plugin |
| 17:30:51 | amiconn | The bad thing is that we can't use DMA like we can for playback |
| 17:31:11 | [IDC]Dragon | ind the buffer is still small, iirc |
| 17:31:14 | [IDC]Dragon | and |
| 17:31:16 | dpro | [IDC]Dragon: I was thinking of sth. like that last night |
| 17:31:24 | goffa__ | interesting idea |
| 17:32:11 | amiconn | ...but even at 48kHz/16bit stereo, we have 57 cpu clocks for fetching each byte (that'd be 100% cpu load) |
| 17:32:36 | amiconn | (recorder; slightly more on Ondio) |
| 17:32:56 | amiconn | The buffer in the MAS seems to be 1.5K samples |
| 17:33:04 | [IDC]Dragon | the guitar tuner can mux recording and fft |
| 17:33:37 | amiconn | So the maximum allowed latency is 16 ms |
| 17:33:39 | [IDC]Dragon | soesn't have to sample all the time |
| 17:33:45 | amiconn | (at 48kHz stereo) |
| 17:34:22 | [IDC]Dragon | polling for MAS PIO? |
| 17:34:31 | [IDC]Dragon | wasn't it interrupt driven? |
| 17:35:17 | amiconn | nope |
| 17:35:29 | [IDC]Dragon | yuck |
| 17:36:26 | amiconn | Look at the recording loop: mpeg.c lines 724..748 |
| 17:36:28 | Mikachu | i don't think any guitars play at 22khz |
| 17:36:56 | amiconn | That one is a bit slow on purpose, we can go faster but that would make the bitshift more likely with mp3 |
| 17:37:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I wonder why |
| 17:39:46 | amiconn | pm... |
| 17:40:14 | bobTHC | dunno if that can help but > http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=6264 About guitar tuner |
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| 17:43:07 | ]RowaN[ | is replaygain supported in any of the archos builds yet? |
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| 17:45:51 | JJure | Is any RockBox developer here? |
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| 17:46:12 | tempi | I have a uclinux question: how do i pause a script to wait for a keypress, e.g. the Action button? I just want to make sure i can print something from the echo, then wait for a keypress, before i continue to load other things in the "rc" file |
| 17:46:48 | tempi | hmm, should perhaps ask linuxstb directly... |
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| 17:47:25 | OPP | the id3 database doesnt work with x5 yet, right? |
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| 17:49:43 | JJure | I have trouble with czech translation on Archos Recorder. Some national chars are invisible. I think that it is connected with unicode support. Can someone explain to me how it is work? |
| 17:49:51 | bobTHC | who is working on the guitar tuner ? |
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| 17:54:07 | bobTHC | JJure > have u read that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide ? |
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| 18:11:49 | Ironhand | does the iAudio X5 read its HDD's boot sector for anything else than figuring out the partition table? (in other words, is it safe to install my own PC boot loader there?) |
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| 18:33:20 | bobTHC | cya |
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| 18:48:11 | OPP | hi, how do i get the id3 tag datbase to work on the x5 |
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| 18:57:13 | warthawg | i see in the news this morning apple allows volume to be limited. is this something rockbox will also implement? |
| 18:57:26 | warthawg | on ipods, i mean |
| 18:58:06 | amiconn | gah |
| 18:58:43 | * | amiconn *strongly* hopes that people will work on getting code more compact instead of just adding more and more |
| 18:59:03 | amiconn | Rockbox shouldn't become bloatware |
| 18:59:08 | markun | true |
| 18:59:14 | amiconn | ...and I don't want to loose rombox... |
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| 19:00:05 | amiconn | Loadable vkeyboard added 3KB (!) |
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| 19:01:25 | linuxstb | Loadable vkeyboard? Where did that come from? |
| 19:01:43 | amiconn | Look at the front page... |
| 19:02:16 | markun | a bit strange that phaedrus961 didn't announce it first |
| 19:02:19 | * | linuxstb is looking... |
| 19:03:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: How close are we to losing rombox? |
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| 19:05:42 | amiconn | Less than 2KB for fmrecorder :( |
| 19:06:28 | linuxstb | A lot of that patch seems to be the hangul support, rather than loadable vkeyboard layouts in general. |
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| 19:07:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm assuming that's code and const data? |
| 19:07:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I could shrink bootbox some more |
| 19:07:31 | amiconn | 11KB on recorder |
| 19:07:40 | [IDC]Dragon | there's a lot of dead code |
| 19:08:01 | [IDC]Dragon | e.g. disk writing, subdir support of the file system |
| 19:08:17 | linuxstb | We also have the old tagdb code to remove (I think), as well as finishing TiMiD's gui work. |
| 19:08:31 | [IDC]Dragon | dump the wannabe fancy charging algorithm |
| 19:08:36 | amiconn | [18:58:43] * amiconn *strongly* hopes that people will work on getting code more compact <=== |
| 19:08:58 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The new charging seems to work rather well... |
| 19:09:05 | goffa__ | anything is better than the default x5 firmware |
| 19:09:15 | goffa__ | i noticed a HUGE improvement in load time with rockbox |
| 19:09:25 | amiconn | 16KB on Ondio FM |
| 19:09:45 | [IDC]Dragon | bootbox has the old charging |
| 19:09:52 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 19:10:20 | amiconn | It needs updating anyway |
| 19:10:22 | [IDC]Dragon | but it could have brute force charging, I think |
| 19:10:39 | amiconn | Distributed bootbox has that stack-trashing bug |
| 19:10:40 | [IDC]Dragon | why? |
| 19:10:50 | [IDC]Dragon | urgh |
| 19:11:06 | amiconn | I mentioned that quite a while ago... |
| 19:11:13 | [IDC]Dragon | to me? |
| 19:11:29 | amiconn | yup |
| 19:11:48 | [IDC]Dragon | oh |
| 19:12:17 | linuxstb | warthawg: What do you mean by "apple allows volume to be limited" ? |
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| 19:12:35 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta go, cu |
| 19:12:40 | warthawg | linuxstb: sets a maximum value, i guess. let me get the url. |
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| 19:13:28 | warthawg | http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1781398 |
| 19:13:36 | warthawg | linuxstb, there you go |
| 19:13:53 | goffa__ | he he he.. neat feature of most players is the volume control :) |
| 19:13:54 | amiconn | bah, he left... |
| 19:14:02 | goffa__ | (i do know what you mean.. just thought i'd be a smart ass) |
| 19:14:36 | goffa__ | i think its amazing people can sue apple... because they don't regulate the volume themselves |
| 19:16:09 | amiconn | Weird americans... |
| 19:16:13 | linuxstb | warthawg: No, I think Rockbox will always let users decide when their ears hurt.... |
| 19:16:22 | warthawg | goffa__ isn't it illegal to sue a corporation in the US? I think only corporations can sue customers now, not the other way around |
| 19:16:58 | Chamois | Anyone has an idea why Rockbox does that : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3228.msg23025#msg23025 on X5 |
| 19:17:16 | Chamois | sound is very weird in high frequency |
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| 19:20:35 | linuxstb | Chamois: It was discussed here earlier, but no, I don't think anyone knows the reason yet. |
| 19:21:35 | Chamois | oki |
| 19:21:53 | goffa__ | warthawg: you are probably right |
| 19:21:54 | Chamois | can't be the playback code ? |
| 19:22:23 | Chamois | wihc cut off high frequency ? |
| 19:22:36 | linuxstb | Anything's possible - but the iaudio playback code should be the same as the irivers and ipods, and no-one has reported a problem like that before. |
| 19:22:46 | goffa__ | people are always wrong... they should be forced to buy content that they don't want ... but only if the quality is degraded :) |
| 19:23:04 | warthawg | exackly :) |
| 19:23:05 | Chamois | linuxstb : true |
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| 19:32:35 | bitmastro | hi! |
| 19:32:43 | bitmastro | may i ask something? |
| 19:33:30 | lostlogic | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 19:34:11 | bitmastro | :-D I was playing with my dap to make it bootable |
| 19:34:26 | bitmastro | but i keep getting this error |
| 19:34:35 | bitmastro | ATA error: -71 |
| 19:34:45 | bitmastro | anyone knows what this means? |
| 19:38:34 | warthawg | 16 mentions on google re rockbox and ata error -71 |
| 19:39:51 | bitmastro | doh! |
| 19:41:47 | preglow | haha, fft on archos |
| 19:41:55 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon sure is ambitous |
| 19:42:25 | preglow | lostlogic: you, line 473 in pcmbuf.c again, do you know what's going on? gcc 4.1 says it's redundant, and it sure looks like it's right |
| 19:43:19 | XavierGr | wow some crazy company released a 64GB Flash Drive for 5000 dollars!!! |
| 19:45:43 | goffa__ | heh... bring the price down to about $500 and i'm seriously tempted |
| 19:46:01 | dpassen1 | XavierGr: Have a link? |
| 19:46:15 | goffa__ | so.. when are you goys going to have rockbox running on that... lol |
| 19:46:18 | XavierGr | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/29/buslinks-64gb-usb-2-0-flash-drive-pro-2-series/ |
| 19:47:01 | dpassen1 | Early April fools? |
| 19:47:13 | ender` | hasn't samsung announced 32GB 1,8in flash disk? |
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| 19:47:24 | AceTheFace | Hi |
| 19:47:53 | goffa__ | ah ... just a drive |
| 19:48:03 | XavierGr | http://www.buslink.com/B1/p_BDP2U2.shtml |
| 19:48:07 | XavierGr | company site |
| 19:48:21 | AceTheFace | I'm trying to get rockbox running on my X5, but the boot-loader always exits with result: -1....I putted the whole ".rockbox"-folder in the /-folder of the x5. is this not correct? |
| 19:48:42 | goffa__ | did you put the rockbox.iaudio file in / too? |
| 19:48:47 | XavierGr | AFAIK it must be in your root |
| 19:48:49 | ender` | http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/21/32gb_ssd_samsung/ |
| 19:48:59 | XavierGr | or X5 has different instructions? |
| 19:49:15 | AceTheFace | in my root? |
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| 19:49:23 | goffa__ | x5 is pretty straght forward |
| 19:49:35 | goffa__ | x5 bootloader has to go in the firmware folder |
| 19:49:42 | AceTheFace | yes |
| 19:49:43 | goffa__ | rockbox.iaudio and .rockbox go in / |
| 19:49:49 | * | warthawg licks rockbox |
| 19:49:58 | AceTheFace | oh mompl |
| 19:50:08 | goffa__ | make sure that you have the dongle plugged in with the power cord when you turn it on |
| 19:50:10 | AceTheFace | there should be a rockbox.iaudio-folder, too? ;) |
| 19:50:16 | goffa__ | not a folder |
| 19:50:18 | goffa__ | just a file |
| 19:50:20 | AceTheFace | bootloader is working already |
| 19:50:20 | AceTheFace | k |
| 19:50:56 | goffa__ | it'll look like it does when you upgrade the firmware to new firmware on the iaudio |
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| 19:51:17 | goffa__ | also... you want the bleeding edge build too |
| 19:51:25 | goffa__ | or you wont get sound |
| 19:51:45 | goffa__ | i went through this stuff myself yesterday... so i figured i'd pass it on |
| 19:51:54 | AceTheFace | wanted to compile the cvs but can't find the mk86-elf-gcc-thing for my suse |
| 19:52:20 | bitmastro | mmm... i still can't get it... error: -71 usually happens when rundb is trying to write or due to low battery |
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| 19:52:46 | goffa__ | odd |
| 19:54:14 | bitmastro | that's true... well i was hoping someone has already encountered this, but it's not so important |
| 19:54:31 | Chamois | anyone knows where we define that a target has IRAM ? |
| 19:55:12 | linuxstb | bitmastro: Looking at the source, it seems that ATA error -71 is caused by the set_multiple_mode() function failing. I've no idea what that means though. |
| 19:55:23 | goffa__ | so is your player working at all? like can you get the iaudio firmware back on? |
| 19:55:28 | XavierGr | http://www.dpie.com/storage/sa2580.html |
| 19:55:38 | linuxstb | Chamois: I think it's in various places. Why do you ask? |
| 19:55:44 | XavierGr | ehh? This thing eats more power than an 1.8 HS |
| 19:55:49 | XavierGr | HD |
| 19:55:49 | preglow | is the ipod battery measurement accurate? |
| 19:56:07 | AceTheFace | yeah, its working...with sound, great |
| 19:56:10 | bitmastro | linuxstb: thanks for the suggestion... maybe i should do more research :-) |
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| 20:02:23 | bitmastro | btw, just to ask.. anyone trying to boot from usb using x5, ipod, h100 or archos? I was using my h300 |
| 20:02:57 | Chamois | linuxstb : because I wanted to verify the usage on x5 :-) |
| 20:02:59 | Chamois | i found |
| 20:03:11 | Chamois | config.h |
| 20:03:38 | Chamois | because boost ratio is very bad |
| 20:03:59 | Chamois | 25% with a 128 kbits cbr mp3 |
| 20:04:07 | Chamois | 0% wiht the h100 |
| 20:04:20 | linuxstb | Chamois: The best way to check it's being used is to check the .map files. |
| 20:04:43 | Chamois | where are they these .map ? |
| 20:05:00 | linuxstb | They are created in your build directory. e.g. apps/rockbox.map and apps/codecs/*.map |
| 20:05:11 | Chamois | oki |
| 20:05:30 | Chamois | any ideas why so bad boost ratio |
| 20:05:40 | Chamois | frequency and cpu are same |
| 20:06:14 | linuxstb | Maybe the audio driver is less efficient. e.g. maybe it's not using dma. I've no idea how the iaudio hardware works. |
| 20:06:43 | | Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=steve-o@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 20:06:48 | Chamois | it is the same problem with h300 |
| 20:07:00 | Chamois | wich has the same hardware than h100 |
| 20:07:02 | linuxstb | There's also the LCD driver which will be slower. |
| 20:07:11 | Chamois | yes |
| 20:07:17 | Chamois | i must be the LCD driver |
| 20:07:34 | Chamois | *it |
| 20:08:05 | b00st4 | doom is integrated in cvs??? |
| 20:08:26 | warthawg | what? |
| 20:08:26 | linuxstb | Yes, but it's only working on the H300 at the moment. |
| 20:08:31 | warthawg | wow |
| 20:08:33 | b00st4 | damn |
| 20:08:44 | b00st4 | when will it work on ipod? |
| 20:08:48 | warthawg | drop everything til its in nano :) |
| 20:08:58 | b00st4 | 5g :D |
| 20:09:01 | linuxstb | When someone debugs it and gets it to work... |
| 20:09:30 | b00st4 | hmm, u developers have no ipod is that right? |
| 20:09:46 | | Part bitmastro ("Rockbox BoxRocks") |
| 20:09:47 | linuxstb | How do you think we ported Rockbox to the ipod? |
| 20:09:51 | b00st4 | we should make a donation to get u one :) |
| 20:10:07 | b00st4 | ok^^ |
| 20:10:12 | warthawg | good idea, b00st4. i made a donation yesterday, now its your turn :) |
| 20:10:19 | linuxstb | There are about 4 or 5 active devs with ipods now. |
| 20:10:25 | b00st4 | coo |
| 20:10:41 | b00st4 | im still waiting for a ram patch with the 5g |
| 20:11:11 | preglow | linuxstb: do you know if anyone have any ideas of why wps prevents usb reboots? |
| 20:11:23 | linuxstb | Is that an ipod problem, or a general one? |
| 20:11:29 | preglow | general, i believe |
| 20:11:56 | linuxstb | So you mean if you are in the WPS, Rockbox doesn't enter USB mode? |
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| 20:12:09 | preglow | linuxstb: hmm, will try on h120 now |
| 20:12:16 | preglow | i think the logo is showed, but that's that |
| 20:12:39 | preglow | no, h120 works |
| 20:12:43 | bluebrother^ | iirc I changed from wps to usb mode. Is this a new bug? |
| 20:12:49 | linuxstb | Have you got the latest CVS on your h120? |
| 20:12:54 | preglow | pretty much |
| 20:12:56 | preglow | i'll upgrade it |
| 20:13:29 | linuxstb | Just tried it on my 4g ipod, and it rebooted into disk mode as normal. |
| 20:13:50 | preglow | i'm doing some rockbox work for a client now, and the reboot action for ipod needs to work |
| 20:13:55 | b00st4 | what other important plugins were added to the new cvs, i got a 3 day old... |
| 20:14:20 | | Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@64.50.110.131) |
| 20:15:45 | tucoz | bluebrother^, are you bluebrother on flyspray as well? |
| 20:15:50 | linuxstb | b00st4: Check this page for all the changes (not all are applicable to the ipods though): http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 20:16:31 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: yes. |
| 20:16:32 | warthawg | how do i boot into apple os? |
| 20:16:42 | preglow | linuxstb: newest cvs does still not work on nano |
| 20:16:55 | bluebrother^ | linuxstb: just tried bleeding edge on h120 −− works for me. |
| 20:17:08 | tucoz | bluebrother^, good. Do you have an idea how to use the KOMA-script for the rockbox manual? |
| 20:17:26 | tucoz | Do we have to bundle that with the manual folder? |
| 20:17:37 | b00st4 | when i chance rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp how big may it be? |
| 20:17:45 | tucoz | or is it contained within the tetex-extra package? |
| 20:17:46 | b00st4 | 320*240? |
| 20:17:52 | preglow | linuxstb: so it works for you, then? |
| 20:17:55 | bluebrother^ | change the \documentclass in the preamble to the following |
| 20:17:57 | preglow | linuxstb: what about 5g? |
| 20:17:57 | bluebrother^ | \documentclass[a4paper,11pt]{scrreprt} |
| 20:18:05 | tucoz | ok |
| 20:18:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, it works on my 4g. I'll update my 5g now to current CVS and test. |
| 20:18:20 | preglow | linuxstb: "my" 5g? :-) |
| 20:18:30 | preglow | you taken permanent possesion of it? |
| 20:18:42 | linuxstb | :) Hope she isn't reading.... |
| 20:18:52 | linuxstb | But yes, she rarely uses it. |
| 20:19:17 | preglow | then hooray for us! |
| 20:19:24 | preglow | but yeah, this is annoying |
| 20:19:33 | preglow | but hey, if i can get paid to fix rockbox bugs... |
| 20:19:35 | b00st4 | ^^ |
| 20:19:42 | b00st4 | when i chance rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp how big may it be? |
| 20:19:47 | b00st4 | cant compile |
| 20:20:00 | b00st4 | i changed it to actual screen size |
| 20:20:09 | b00st4 | so 320x240 on my 5g |
| 20:20:33 | linuxstb | What happens when you try to compile? |
| 20:20:39 | Mikachu | did you change the filename too? |
| 20:20:45 | b00st4 | no |
| 20:20:48 | Mikachu | good |
| 20:20:54 | b00st4 | i can make a screen |
| 20:20:55 | b00st4 | mom |
| 20:21:04 | Mikachu | but i think the splash code starts displaying it at 10 pixels offset from the top |
| 20:22:12 | b00st4 | http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4854/bmp5vr.jpg |
| 20:22:15 | b00st4 | there u go |
| 20:22:35 | b00st4 | so it has to be 10 pixel smaller? |
| 20:22:37 | Mikachu | that's a completely unrelated error though |
| 20:22:59 | b00st4 | nothing to do with bmp? |
| 20:23:01 | Mikachu | don't change more than one thing at once if you don't know what you're doing |
| 20:23:17 | b00st4 | i just imported the cvs new |
| 20:23:19 | linuxstb | Nope - your BMP file seems to have been processed fine. |
| 20:23:24 | b00st4 | no other changes |
| 20:23:34 | Mikachu | i don't think the headphone pause is in cvs |
| 20:23:47 | linuxstb | Did you apply a patch, and then do "cvs update" ? |
| 20:23:58 | b00st4 | patch is old |
| 20:24:05 | b00st4 | from yesterday i thnk |
| 20:24:11 | Mikachu | if you get any C in front of a file, it means something went wrong |
| 20:24:14 | b00st4 | compiled with old cvs |
| 20:24:42 | b00st4 | so maybe theres a new patch.. |
| 20:25:02 | preglow | ahhh, shit, i just remembered the battery icon thing that sometimes happens when the ipod is going to autoreboot itself |
| 20:25:05 | tucoz | bluebrother^, man-tabularx-on-wps2.patch does not apply cleanly |
| 20:25:18 | preglow | that's going to be major hurdle |
| 20:25:23 | bluebrother^ | ooops. |
| 20:25:44 | b00st4 | mikachu: how do you mean c in front of a file |
| 20:25:47 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, it works fine on her 5g... |
| 20:25:54 | Mikachu | b00st4: when you update cvs |
| 20:26:03 | b00st4 | filename? |
| 20:26:07 | Febs | tucoz, the problem with the files I committed earlier was a missing end bracket for an \opt statement. |
| 20:26:18 | linuxstb | b00st4: Probably apps/lang/english.lang |
| 20:26:39 | Febs | I need to see if I can find a language file for LaTex for UltraEdit. If so, it will make it much easier to spot those issues as I'm editing the files. |
| 20:26:46 | preglow | lostlogic: you also had the wps usb problem, yes? |
| 20:26:48 | amiconn | preglow: It's just the nano that doesn't catch USB properly? |
| 20:26:54 | tucoz | Febs, ok. good you found it |
| 20:26:59 | preglow | amiconn: it catches it, alright, but it doesn't reboot itself |
| 20:27:08 | amiconn | yeps, that's what I mean |
| 20:27:17 | preglow | but there's not very much to it |
| 20:27:20 | amiconn | I suspect your hack to disable ata sleep to be the cause |
| 20:27:23 | b00st4 | nothing obviously wrong with english.lang |
| 20:27:30 | preglow | amiconn: why would that cause this? |
| 20:27:46 | tucoz | Febs, yes, syntax highligting is really helpful. |
| 20:27:47 | linuxstb | b00st4: Have you looked at the very end of the file? |
| 20:27:48 | preglow | amiconn: it's only this way in wps... |
| 20:27:55 | amiconn | Perhaps some code thinks there's still an ongoing access, and not allowing the reboot? |
| 20:28:24 | tucoz | bluebrother^, regarding your comment. No, we tetex is the only one we care about. |
| 20:28:37 | tucoz | tetex-base and tetex-extra |
| 20:28:43 | preglow | amiconn: perhaps |
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| 20:29:36 | nelson_ | hi guys |
| 20:29:45 | tucoz | hello |
| 20:30:08 | b00st4 | new: |
| 20:30:08 | b00st4 | >>>>>>> 1.235 |
| 20:30:11 | b00st4 | is the end |
| 20:30:26 | amiconn | preglow: May as well be something completely different, perhaps the playback system |
| 20:30:32 | b00st4 | and i cant see any update on ipod auto pause patch |
| 20:30:53 | preglow | amiconn: can't see why that would only happen on the nano |
| 20:31:05 | amiconn | It's currently shaky as anything, too much for me to be bearable in everyday use :( |
| 20:31:08 | preglow | amiconn: so i guess ata sleep hack is probably the culprit |
| 20:31:19 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: just uploaded a new patch, should apply cleanly now. |
| 20:31:31 | tucoz | bluebrother^, thanks |
| 20:31:35 | preglow | it's not any shakier than it used to be |
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| 20:31:36 | bluebrother^ | it replaces the two previous patches. |
| 20:31:38 | preglow | perhaps a tiny bitr |
| 20:31:55 | amiconn | preglow: Huh? I get hangs within minute intervals... |
| 20:32:36 | amiconn | I would have to re-equip myself with a reset tool (aka straightened paper clip) |
| 20:32:50 | b00st4 | LANG_PAUSE_PHONES_RESUME: i can find that value in the english.lang file |
| 20:32:59 | preglow | amiconn: works fine for me for hours at a time |
| 20:33:05 | preglow | it's been two weeks since my last hang |
| 20:33:11 | b00st4 | but everything looks fine |
| 20:33:19 | Mikachu | you think <<<<<< looks like it belongs there? |
| 20:33:31 | preglow | but yeah, it isn't the most stable thing ever |
| 20:33:34 | preglow | and needs tons of fixing |
| 20:33:41 | amiconn | preglow: I'm using in my car (that means, most of the time) |
| 20:33:55 | amiconn | Insert 'voice UI' where appropriate |
| 20:34:07 | preglow | ah, i never use that |
| 20:34:17 | tucoz | bluebrother^, the appendix patch as well? |
| 20:34:39 | preglow | ok, this usb bug is bad |
| 20:35:05 | bluebrother^ | works well for me if I apply the tabularx-on-wps first. |
| 20:35:38 | tucoz | ok, I just wondered if the new wps replaced the appendix. But, I guess not. |
| 20:38:09 | b00st4 | hmm, seems like there are coplications with ipod_unplug.patch |
| 20:38:15 | b00st4 | obo, ur there? |
| 20:40:53 | nelson_ | anybody knows the iaudio port ? |
| 20:41:17 | nelson_ | it crashes on my X5L |
| 20:41:49 | nelson_ | and i can't switch from file exploring |
| 20:42:01 | | Join Massa [0] (n=Massa@85.220.132.199) |
| 20:42:41 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 20:43:42 | nelson_ | nmind |
| 20:44:26 | b00st4 | hmm, cant update for days now, because it doesnt compile... |
| 20:45:02 | Mikachu | you'll never be able to compile until you fix the file |
| 20:45:11 | b00st4 | .#english.lang.1.234 <- whats this file for |
| 20:45:29 | b00st4 | yap i know...but im not able to fix it myself...:/ |
| 20:45:30 | Mikachu | that's the file how it looked before it was broken |
| 20:45:50 | b00st4 | but english.lang still exists |
| 20:46:18 | Mikachu | yes, but it's broken, that's why it needs fixing |
| 20:46:38 | b00st4 | is it obvious to see what fixes are needed? |
| 20:46:43 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:46:58 | b00st4 | i got both files, can compare |
| 20:47:03 | b00st4 | so what i gotta do |
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| 20:47:06 | tucoz | Do you know how to cvs commit file1 file2 with a message? |
| 20:47:15 | Mikachu | you only need to compare what's between <<<<<< and ===== with the part between ====== and >>>>>> |
| 20:47:16 | b00st4 | nope |
| 20:47:27 | Mikachu | tucoz: commit -m "hi guys" file1 file1 |
| 20:47:30 | Mikachu | er, file2 |
| 20:47:32 | b00st4 | in the broken file? |
| 20:47:32 | tucoz | Mikachu, thanks |
| 20:47:37 | Mikachu | b00st4: yes |
| 20:47:44 | bluebrother^ | cvs commit -m "my message" file1 file2 |
| 20:47:59 | Mikachu | yes, "cvs" is also good to have in the command :P |
| 20:48:21 | tucoz | That I knew ;-) |
| 20:48:34 | b00st4 | ok, i see the differences |
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| 20:48:59 | b00st4 | what changes are needed? |
| 20:49:15 | Mikachu | the part above ==== is what you had before, and the part after is what would be in the file without your patch |
| 20:49:15 | PhR3aK | does anyone know how much mAh the battery of the x5l got? |
| 20:49:16 | | Join maeck [0] (n=chatzill@206.208.224.161) |
| 20:50:12 | b00st4 | hm, these are actually totally different values |
| 20:50:50 | goffa__ | PhR3aK: was wondering that myself |
| 20:50:52 | b00st4 | before is something with the unplug plugin after something with the keyboard |
| 20:51:05 | goffa__ | i think what i'm going to have to do is charge it all the way |
| 20:51:16 | goffa__ | then adjust until its max |
| 20:52:06 | PhR3aK | i dont know why... but somehow no one knows about the mAh of the x5 / x5l batterys |
| 20:52:37 | Massa | Is amiconn or somebody else with knowledge about WPS parsing online? |
| 20:53:20 | b00st4 | mikachu, what have i to edit in the broken file |
| 20:53:22 | * | amiconn doesn't know much about wps parsing |
| 20:53:26 | b00st4 | ^^ |
| 20:54:02 | Massa | amiconn, who else knows about the sequence in which the functions are called during WPS parsing? |
| 20:54:42 | goffa__ | trade secret PhR3aK |
| 20:54:46 | tucoz | use the source Luke, like the old folks say |
| 20:54:55 | goffa__ | its not on any spec sheets |
| 20:55:03 | goffa__ | and i didn't see it on cowon's site |
| 20:55:13 | goffa__ | i didn't try cowonamerica or jetaudio yet though |
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| 20:55:25 | goffa__ | wierd how they have different things on different sites |
| 20:55:25 | amiconn | PhR3aK: Open it and check what's written on the battery? |
| 20:55:29 | Massa | Would it be possible to load something from the file which is currently playing _during_ it already plays or just a moment before? |
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| 20:56:10 | tucoz | Massa, doesn't it access id3 data from the next file now? |
| 20:56:20 | PhR3aK | open and void the warranty? ok i already did this with flashing rockbox on the x5 ^^ |
| 20:56:47 | PhR3aK | but i can allways flash back |
| 20:56:49 | | Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@82-32-84-226.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:56:53 | amiconn | PhR3aK: Guess how rockbox development is possible? |
| 20:57:05 | miner49er | hello eveyone :-) |
| 20:57:10 | * | amiconn opened his Ondio SP the day he got it :) |
| 20:57:11 | miner49er | oops, everyone |
| 20:57:14 | Massa | tucoz, yes it does - but it does it outside the WPS parsing -or am I wrong? |
| 20:57:26 | linuxstb | Massa: What information do you want to read? |
| 20:57:36 | miner49er | can someone please explain something to me? |
| 20:57:45 | * | amiconn opened the majority of his rockboxes at least once |
| 20:58:00 | b00st4 | hm, no one can help me on how to edit a broken file? |
| 20:58:28 | Massa | tucoz: ID tag informations (user tags) - but only those which are needed (that means those for which the WPS uses a tag) |
| 20:58:35 | miner49er | b00st4: what's broken, an mp3 file? VBRFix? |
| 20:58:42 | b00st4 | no |
| 20:58:57 | b00st4 | after cvs update a lang file is broken |
| 20:59:03 | b00st4 | english.lang |
| 20:59:04 | linuxstb | Massa: IMO, the WPS isn't the place to read those tags. The standard get_metadata() function should read them. |
| 20:59:21 | tucoz | bbl |
| 20:59:25 | Massa | currently it always tries to load as much as it can - in get_metadata() even if it's not necessary. |
| 20:59:32 | amiconn | Hmm. With printf() and friends it's impossible to reorder arguments, correct? |
| 20:59:52 | linuxstb | Massa: But you may want to add some kind of communication between the WPS code and get_metadata() to tell get_metadata() which non-standard tags to read. |
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| 21:00:32 | Massa | linuxstb: yes - that would be nice. Is such a communication possible? |
| 21:00:43 | linuxstb | Everything is possible if you invent it... |
| 21:01:08 | miner49er | linuxtb: Invent a time-machine for me please :-) |
| 21:01:15 | Massa | linuxstb: Yes - but I don't know how it currently works - when is which function be called in which thread |
| 21:01:34 | miner49er | ...and release the source code under the GPL |
| 21:01:40 | Massa | linuxstb: a time-machine is easy - H.G.Wells already did it a few years ago ;) |
| 21:01:43 | linuxstb | miner49er: If you give me a machine which makes time machines... |
| 21:01:48 | preglow | amiconn: if you know what makes the ata code tick, could you please just open ata.c and grep for NANO to see if the two changes i made are capable of breaking anything? |
| 21:02:04 | Massa | but I don't know if he knew about GPL - so this may be an issue :) |
| 21:02:04 | miner49er | an infinite improbabilty drive? |
| 21:02:22 | obo | b00st4: still there? |
| 21:02:53 | Massa | Is there any documentation available aobut the threads and which functions they use in which sequence? |
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| 21:03:18 | Massa | Is get_metadata and wps-parsing in the same thread? |
| 21:03:43 | Massa | Hi Nico_P |
| 21:03:49 | Nico_P | hi |
| 21:04:55 | miner49er | I'm just looking at plugin.c, and can see stuff like audio_stop, pause, next etc. Does this mean that it owuld be possible to _completely take over the control of music playback via a plugin? |
| 21:05:12 | miner49er | ..that wasn't the question I really wanted answering though. |
| 21:05:15 | Massa | Nico_P: Any progress in the album art? |
| 21:05:52 | Nico_P | i'm still working on the test versions, trying to make it work in an economical way |
| 21:06:30 | Massa | I looked at the code - it looks O.K. to me - what kind of optimization are you doing? |
| 21:07:15 | Massa | BTW, integrating my latest changes should be easy - most of them are in gwps-common.c and don't affect the move of the other code... |
| 21:07:27 | miner49er | gotta go, my bird has just suggested we watch Revenge of The Sith...I'lll be back! |
| 21:07:39 | miner49er | init 0, here we go! |
| 21:08:01 | | Quit miner49er (Remote closed the connection) |
| 21:08:33 | nelson_ | good night all |
| 21:08:36 | | Quit nelson_ ("Killed (einride (Requested by panasync))") |
| 21:08:39 | amiconn | randomize usr 0 |
| 21:08:43 | Nico_P | Massa: i'm trying to make the album art bitmaps be loaded the least possible |
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| 21:09:10 | Massa | Nico_P: What I don't understand is how the moving from metadata.c to playback.c gives a better performance??! |
| 21:09:10 | Nico_P | for example when listening to an album, it's a waste to load the same bitmap for all tracks |
| 21:09:37 | Nico_P | it's not for performance, it's to be able to use the file buffer |
| 21:09:48 | Nico_P | but i'll probably move most of it back to metadata.c |
| 21:10:16 | Massa | Nico_P: it depends - if you use bitmaps for the album it is a waste, but if you use it per track you have to load it for each track... |
| 21:10:16 | Nico_P | i think i've found a smarter way to do it |
| 21:10:28 | Massa | Nico_P: what exactly is the file buffer? |
| 21:10:39 | Nico_P | yes, i want to try to save as much space as possible |
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| 21:11:29 | Nico_P | well i'm not the best person to answer that question, but from what i understand, it's a space in RAM which is constantly filled with the audio data from the tracks playing |
| 21:11:32 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm not sure it's worth trying that kind of optimisation at the moment. IMO, you are just over-complicating things. e.g. what happens if a user switches to/from shuffle mode? |
| 21:11:52 | Massa | What I also don't understand is how often those functions are called - if you look at the stderr.txt when using the simulator, it calls the preload function a several time per second! |
| 21:11:55 | b00st4 | obo: yaep |
| 21:12:17 | b00st4 | got probs with ipod_unplug |
| 21:12:23 | fiftyfour123 | how do i install rockbox on my macpod 5g? |
| 21:12:26 | Massa | Why doesn't it only call it _once_ per file? Neither the tags nor the bitmap change... |
| 21:12:32 | b00st4 | fails with new cvs |
| 21:12:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:12:44 | linuxstb | fiftyfour123: 1) Convert to fat32 ; 2) Install Rockbox. |
| 21:12:46 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i started going that way because the code created delays in track playing and small pauses between tracks |
| 21:12:56 | fiftyfour123 | i have to convert to fat32? |
| 21:12:57 | Massa | Nico_P: only the audio data? Or also other data? |
| 21:13:18 | amiconn | Bagder: there? |
| 21:13:23 | b00st4 | fiftyfour123: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
| 21:13:29 | Massa | Nico_P: I mean the file buffer... |
| 21:13:33 | linuxstb | fiftyfour123: Yes. Until someone adds HFS+ support to Rockbox - which doesn't seem a likely event. |
| 21:13:34 | Nico_P | Massa: i think it's only meant for audio data atm, but it can be used for almost anything if it's used properly |
| 21:13:46 | | Quit fiftyfour123 ("Chatzilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") |
| 21:13:53 | Nico_P | and the devs are planning on using it to store metadata |
| 21:14:40 | Massa | So I assume they'll move get_metadata to the playback.c? If yes, why not adding the bitmap loading there? |
| 21:14:46 | Nico_P | Massa: what preload function are you talking about ? |
| 21:15:05 | Massa | wps_preload... don't remember the correct name currently... |
| 21:15:17 | amiconn | Massa: get_metadata won't be moved into playback.c |
| 21:15:20 | linuxstb | Massa: No, get_metadata() was moved out of playback.c a long time ago. It won't go back. |
| 21:15:41 | Nico_P | iirc that function is called when parsing the wps, once for each tag which implies loading data |
| 21:15:56 | amiconn | playback.c is already a huge mess that needs further splitting into logical units rather than making it more messy |
| 21:15:57 | obo | b00st4: okay, one min... |
| 21:16:11 | Massa | Two answers in the same second - or must I say two outcries :-) |
| 21:16:13 | b00st4 | shall i past u errors? |
| 21:16:16 | Nico_P | but it (get_metadata) is called from within playback.c |
| 21:16:43 | linuxstb | Yes, and so are lots of other functions... |
| 21:16:46 | Massa | LOL :) |
| 21:17:02 | Nico_P | not so surprising... |
| 21:17:07 | preglow | everything is called from pretty much everwhere, still not a good argument to make just one big rockbox.c file |
| 21:17:20 | Nico_P | that's not what i meant |
| 21:17:34 | Massa | Nico_P: I don't know if you were already online when I asked for a possiblity to load "things" (metadata) from a file during WPS parsing |
| 21:17:59 | Nico_P | things : yes, bitmaps already are |
| 21:18:06 | obo | b00st4: no, it's okay, just updating the patch, will post in a sec |
| 21:18:12 | Massa | Nico_P: linuxstb suggested to create some communication between get_metadata and WPS code... |
| 21:18:35 | b00st4 | coo |
| 21:18:54 | Massa | Nico_P: And I wanted to know if they are in the same thread... |
| 21:19:05 | Nico_P | Massa: so that get_metadata could load only the necessary information ? |
| 21:19:11 | Nico_P | no idea |
| 21:19:29 | amiconn | How would you decide what's necessary? |
| 21:19:34 | Massa | Nico_P: exactly! |
| 21:19:36 | amiconn | (1) The user could switch wps |
| 21:19:43 | Nico_P | i'm in no way an experienced rockbox developer |
| 21:20:00 | Massa | amiconn: of course then it has to be rechecked/reloaded |
| 21:20:03 | amiconn | (2) The user could use the tagbrowser, which shows more than a typical wps |
| 21:20:25 | amiconn | Reloading would be a bad idea. We want to save battery power, not waste it |
| 21:20:39 | Massa | amiconn: this should IMHO also load the tags itself - otherwise it's a waste of memory! |
| 21:20:50 | amiconn | The only tags that should be optional are those which take much space |
| 21:20:58 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, i had thought about the second point... about the first : i have this kind of problem with album art ;) |
| 21:21:29 | obo | b00st4: okay, tis updated |
| 21:21:33 | Nico_P | linuxstb: still there ? |
| 21:21:33 | amiconn | Well, we want to switch to buffering metadata *in* the audio buffer, at the track boundaries |
| 21:21:46 | Massa | amiconn: yes, I don't think about the "usual" tags (which are in id3.c) - I'm just thinking about better possibilities for user tags... |
| 21:21:50 | amiconn | Reloading additional metadata then means rebuffering everything... |
| 21:22:12 | * | amiconn doesn't understand the hype about album art |
| 21:22:24 | Mikachu | timed lyrics would be more fun |
| 21:22:30 | preglow | NO! |
| 21:22:30 | amiconn | yes, perhaps |
| 21:22:34 | preglow | don't go there |
| 21:22:36 | Mikachu | heh |
| 21:22:43 | Massa | amiconn: Just think about the comment tag - it may be a rather memory consuming tag |
| 21:22:49 | obo | preglow: I thought someone had?? :) |
| 21:22:55 | preglow | karaoke is evil, as is everything that even looks like it |
| 21:23:14 | amiconn | Still less important than (above all) rock-solid playback |
| 21:23:21 | Mikachu | i would have used it for vocal versions of songs in a language i don't fully understand yet maybe |
| 21:23:28 | preglow | amiconn: we're not going to get everyone to work on playback code |
| 21:23:40 | Mikachu | but opening text files with the viewer is just as good |
| 21:23:48 | Massa | amiconn: I like album art (even when I would really appreciate if it could be read from tag information - or even resizing of bitmaps would be good) |
| 21:23:52 | Slasheri | that metadata buffering inside the main buffer is quite easy to implement (including codecs as metadata also) |
| 21:23:58 | Slasheri | i might do that soon |
| 21:24:03 | | Part warthawg ("You never miss your warthawg til the well runs dry") |
| 21:24:09 | Nico_P | Massa: resizing could come soon :) |
| 21:24:09 | preglow | it's not 3.0 stuff anyway |
| 21:24:25 | amiconn | Slasheri: Sounds good. Would solve the problem with the limited number of tracks |
| 21:24:25 | preglow | we do not need further surgery on the playback engine before the feature freeze |
| 21:25:08 | Massa | Nico_P: actually bitmap resizing should be no big deal - if someone is familiar with graphics code - which I'm not! |
| 21:25:14 | amiconn | (the 'norwegian language course problem') |
| 21:25:24 | preglow | graphics resizing is easy |
| 21:25:38 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, if you have unlimited memory... |
| 21:25:39 | Nico_P | Massa: paprica has done basic bitmap scaling for the album art |
| 21:25:48 | preglow | amiconn: album art usually is pretty small |
| 21:25:52 | Nico_P | it's almost working |
| 21:25:56 | amiconn | *usually* |
| 21:25:56 | preglow | amiconn: besides, it's pretty easy to do chunked as well |
| 21:25:57 | Massa | Nico_P: cool! Where? |
| 21:26:09 | preglow | amiconn: as long as the picture isn't bloody humongous |
| 21:26:13 | amiconn | Remember that someone mentioned an 800KB id3v2 tag? |
| 21:26:14 | Nico_P | on his HDD and on mine :) |
| 21:26:30 | Massa | amiconn: did you have a look at the user tags patch? |
| 21:26:34 | amiconn | nope |
| 21:26:35 | preglow | yeah, good point |
| 21:26:39 | preglow | let's just not implement album art! |
| 21:26:44 | preglow | it's the most elegant solution |
| 21:26:54 | Massa | Nico_P: why not on mine????:-S |
| 21:27:16 | amiconn | In fact all I need in wps is title, artist, album, year, tracknumber, current playtime, total playtime, and the status bar |
| 21:27:18 | amiconn | That's it |
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| 21:27:44 | preglow | i don't even need that |
| 21:27:47 | Mikachu | i don't have year but i have next song artist+title too |
| 21:27:53 | preglow | i sometimes look at the title |
| 21:28:02 | preglow | directory and file names usually suffice for me |
| 21:28:08 | linuxstb | Personally, I miss using physical media with packaging. Album art is a small step back towards that. |
| 21:28:36 | preglow | linuxstb: still doesn't do anything for me, i get the whole packaging issue, i prefer my music in a physical format myself, but album art does absolutely nothing for me |
| 21:28:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: I don't miss handling physical media. I rather appreciate not having to deal with it |
| 21:29:30 | preglow | it looks cool, though |
| 21:29:43 | * | preglow reminds nudel to stop playing oblivion... |
| 21:29:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree - that's why all my music is now digital. But it's nice to be reminded what the actual CD looks like. |
| 21:30:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, sometimes. Just stick the .jpg somewhere |
| 21:30:42 | preglow | i don't miss physical media while i'm mobile |
| 21:30:51 | preglow | but when at home, i actually usually use cds and vinyl |
| 21:30:59 | amiconn | vinyl??? |
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| 21:31:04 | preglow | vinyl > * |
| 21:31:09 | * | amiconn never liked vinyl |
| 21:31:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's too much hassle. I rarely look at the LCD when playing music, but when I do, it would nice to see some album art there. |
| 21:31:27 | amiconn | ..even before I got my very first CD |
| 21:31:53 | t0mas | hm |
| 21:31:59 | preglow | i'm just barely old enough to remember when vinyl was the dominant format (before tapes), but i didn't really discover them until around 6-7 years ago |
| 21:32:02 | t0mas | is it true that there's no risk at all in installing rockbox on an ipod? |
| 21:32:10 | preglow | now if they just weren't so heavy... |
| 21:32:16 | t0mas | because it boots from the harddisk, so you can always restore? |
| 21:32:19 | * | petur hugs his slimdevices squeezebox |
| 21:32:22 | preglow | t0mas: correct |
| 21:32:35 | t0mas | nice |
| 21:32:40 | * | t0mas goes to buy one... |
| 21:32:43 | linuxstb | hehe |
| 21:32:44 | t0mas | a nano that is |
| 21:33:46 | * | linuxstb wonders which of the Swedes will be the first to succumb to temptation... |
| 21:33:56 | Mikachu | which one? |
| 21:34:07 | linuxstb | Sorry - I meant The Big Three. |
| 21:34:23 | Mikachu | i mean which temptation |
| 21:34:36 | linuxstb | Buying an ipod. |
| 21:34:43 | linuxstb | Slowly every rockbox dev is getting one. |
| 21:35:06 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 21:35:14 | t0mas | does rockbox work on the 60gb model? |
| 21:35:21 | t0mas | (I assume it's 5g or something?) |
| 21:35:27 | linuxstb | Yes - but it only uses 32MB out of the 64MB RAM. |
| 21:35:37 | linuxstb | (not a big issue, but no-one has one) |
| 21:35:41 | XavierGr | Another dev succumbed to the "dark" (white more probably) side? |
| 21:35:45 | t0mas | I have one laying around here |
| 21:35:48 | t0mas | but it's not mine |
| 21:36:24 | linuxstb | There's an easy way to support the extra memory (create a new build) or a hard way (keep one build for both 5gs). |
| 21:36:54 | obo | linuxstb: is it just case of finding a good method of detection at runtime? |
| 21:37:13 | obo | "just" - such an easy word :) |
| 21:38:05 | linuxstb | The first problem is working out how to remap the memory correctly (the current remapping code only remaps 32MB). The second problem is that the plugins and codecs are statically linked to execute from the end of memory. So if we want a single build, we will need to re-organise how the memory is used. |
| 21:38:23 | preglow | shouldn't be hard |
| 21:38:33 | linuxstb | Which one? |
| 21:38:33 | preglow | wouldn't be surprised if the memory already is correctly organised |
| 21:38:44 | preglow | remap |
| 21:38:51 | t0mas | why isn't the audio buffer last in mem?? |
| 21:38:52 | preglow | are you sure the current code only remaps 32 megs? |
| 21:38:57 | preglow | i sure as hell ain't |
| 21:39:03 | t0mas | that would make bigger ram sizes easier |
| 21:39:17 | amiconn | t0mas: How would you place the plugin and codec buffer then? |
| 21:39:22 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I'm not sure, but I thought there was a page count field in those numbers. |
| 21:39:24 | amiconn | These need fixed addresses |
| 21:39:34 | preglow | linuxstb: there are, but no one seems to know how large an arm page is |
| 21:39:41 | preglow | s/are/is/ |
| 21:39:46 | t0mas | amiconn: before the audio buffer? |
| 21:39:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Someone just needs to test then... |
| 21:39:58 | preglow | linuxstb: yup |
| 21:40:20 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: are there style guidelines for the manual? |
| 21:40:21 | amiconn | t0mas: Before audio buffer isn't fixed. The rockbox binary size (plus .bss) changes between builds |
| 21:40:22 | t0mas | || all we have now || plugin buf || codec buf || audio buffer with var. size |
| 21:40:39 | t0mas | yeah, but it is fixed at compile time? |
| 21:40:41 | linuxstb | t0mas: Rockbox itself is first (at the start of RAM, size varies with each build), then the audio buffer, then the plugins and codecs. |
| 21:40:45 | t0mas | so for a release that would be fixed? |
| 21:41:07 | amiconn | t0mas: Yes, however, the plugin api is designed to be backwards compatible to some degree. |
| 21:41:17 | t0mas | ok |
| 21:41:21 | amiconn | This is in order to allow 3rd party plugins |
| 21:41:33 | * | preglow whistles the relocatable plugin format tune |
| 21:41:33 | tucoz | bluebrother^, Well, not many official guidelines. Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto for some guidelines from the old manual. |
| 21:41:39 | t0mas | then we might end up with an extra 64mb build |
| 21:41:44 | bluebrother^ | hmm, I already read that. |
| 21:41:46 | * | amiconn slaps preglow |
| 21:41:54 | * | t0mas hugs preglow |
| 21:42:02 | t0mas | you should code it :P |
| 21:42:04 | preglow | t0mas: that feels good on my burning cheek |
| 21:42:06 | bluebrother^ | but as I walked through the .tex files I found it pretty inconsistent. |
| 21:42:07 | * | Mikachu does the preglow slapping dance |
| 21:42:14 | preglow | yes, there are also quite a bunch of other stuff i should code |
| 21:42:22 | t0mas | well... get to work then |
| 21:42:26 | preglow | i am working |
| 21:42:29 | tucoz | bluebrother^, with regards to indentation? |
| 21:42:30 | bluebrother^ | I think it would be good to write everything with the 80 chars limit in mind. |
| 21:42:30 | preglow | just not on rockbox |
| 21:42:37 | t0mas | that's the first problem to fix then |
| 21:42:38 | amiconn | preglow: Didn't you want to optimise libmad on arm? ;) |
| 21:42:42 | preglow | unfortunately i also have to earn money |
| 21:42:42 | bluebrother^ | yes, also indentation. |
| 21:42:53 | bluebrother^ | but also stuff like the use of "smart quotes" |
| 21:42:55 | t0mas | preglow: you don't have a nice social system there? :) |
| 21:43:00 | Mikachu | preglow: i thought everyone in norway got money for free with all that oil |
| 21:43:00 | preglow | a fact that still doesn't sit too well with me |
| 21:43:02 | preglow | amiconn: indeed... |
| 21:43:03 | tucoz | bluebrother^, Like that. Yes, I am all for some guidelines. Like, no tabs, just spaces |
| 21:43:21 | preglow | Mikachu: we most definitely should |
| 21:43:25 | bluebrother^ | some parts use `` and '', other parts use the "normal" quote " |
| 21:43:27 | preglow | i deserve free money! |
| 21:43:52 | bluebrother^ | I would also apreciate it to have vim magic lines in the files ;-) |
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| 21:44:05 | tucoz | bluebrother^, what is that? |
| 21:44:08 | preglow | bluebrother^: word |
| 21:44:35 | bluebrother^ | or, don't use \textbf{emphasized text} but \emph{text} |
| 21:45:03 | Mikachu | i thought it was {\em text} or something |
| 21:45:07 | preglow | bluebrother^: what quotes does english typographic rules say should be used? i can't remember |
| 21:45:11 | bluebrother^ | vim magic? It tells vim how to format the code. |
| 21:45:13 | tucoz | bluebrother^, and remember, the manual is still suffering from effects from the writer2tex, that it is based upoon. |
| 21:45:23 | bluebrother^ | preglow: IIRC `` for opening and '' for closing. |
| 21:45:25 | Mikachu | english uses upside down quotes before and normal after, swedish uses the same at both sides |
| 21:45:28 | amiconn | gah |
| 21:45:32 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok. |
| 21:45:42 | preglow | and norwegian uses guillemets, which are the coolest :) |
| 21:45:44 | Mikachu | “hi” if you read utf-8 |
| 21:45:44 | * | amiconn still |
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