| 00:00:05 | tucoz | bluebrother^, looks good |
| 00:00:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | scf: The X5 is a smaller screen. |
| 00:00:30 | tucoz | much better. (not that I remember what the looked like). But this looks goood |
| 00:00:31 | bluebrother^ | :) |
| 00:00:32 | miner49er | linuxstb: holey cack, what's the key loayout for that model? |
| 00:00:38 | amiconn | preglow: Why? This way, the thread pretends that it sends the disk to sleep. What actually happens is nothing |
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| 00:00:45 | bluebrother^ | just look at the online manuals ;-) |
| 00:00:49 | scf | Paul_The_Nerd: ah true, thanx |
| 00:00:51 | linuxstb | miner49er: All the working ipod ports have the same keypad - IPOD_4G_PAD |
| 00:00:55 | amiconn | ...but ata_disk_is_active() returns the pretended sleep state |
| 00:01:22 | Mikachu | is that the thing i "fixed"? |
| 00:01:25 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but the sleep state is never changed, is it? |
| 00:01:38 | preglow | amiconn: now it just pretends it's never sleeping |
| 00:01:40 | miner49er | linuxstb: phew, that's okay then. So, all iPods have the scrolly-wheel thingy? |
| 00:01:43 | tucoz | bluebrother^, really nice. I'll commit this |
| 00:01:55 | amiconn | Aumm, you're right |
| 00:01:55 | preglow | linuxstb: could you have a look at the 4g battery stuff? |
| 00:02:00 | amiconn | That shouldn't be... |
| 00:02:05 | RoC_MM | 4g greyscale |
| 00:02:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | miner49er: They all have the wheel. Not all of them have the wheel also be the 4 buttons. |
| 00:02:33 | * | amiconn didn't check that 'sleeping' is set within ata_perform_sleep() |
| 00:02:39 | preglow | amiconn: what surprises me is the fact that the only thing that really changed now from before, is that some mutex locking isn't done, and the sleeping variable isn't set |
| 00:03:03 | linuxstb | I'm too tired to think about battery scaling now, but I will try and do it tomorrow evening. I'll try and run a battery test for my 4g Color during the day tomorrow, and then I can compare it with the greyscale. |
| 00:03:10 | miner49er | Paul_the_nerd: aah right. This is useful information, I will forget very soon though, of course. |
| 00:03:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | miner49er: Pictures of the various ipods http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
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| 00:03:38 | preglow | linuxstb: no worries, was just wondering if you would care to do it since you can test it |
| 00:03:41 | amiconn | preglow: Ah, perhaps it has to do with the wakeup that it tries to perform when it thinks the disk is sleeping? |
| 00:03:55 | preglow | amiconn: very possibly, i haven't seen that part of the code, i think |
| 00:04:00 | preglow | amiconn: at least that makes sense |
| 00:04:16 | tucoz | bluebrother^, committed |
| 00:04:16 | amiconn | Check lines 809ff and 1294ff |
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| 00:04:53 | preglow | amiconn: it does a soft reset? |
| 00:05:16 | | Quit petur (Client Quit) |
| 00:05:26 | amiconn | yes, seems so |
| 00:05:34 | preglow | amiconn: well, i think we can pretty much conclude that's the spot where stuff goes wrong |
| 00:05:52 | amiconn | Why should a soft reset go wrong? |
| 00:06:08 | amiconn | Isn't that basic ata standard? |
| 00:06:14 | preglow | i have no idea |
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| 00:06:24 | preglow | but it fits very much with everything i've seen so far |
| 00:06:24 | sean | yo |
| 00:06:38 | amiconn | Hmmm.... |
| 00:07:16 | preglow | sounds a bit strange to need to do a soft reset to wake something |
| 00:07:21 | preglow | but i have no idea at all about ata |
| 00:07:40 | amiconn | The ata specs are in the wiki |
| 00:07:58 | preglow | i'm waaay too tired to read anything at all right now :) |
| 00:08:01 | preglow | it'll have to wait |
| 00:08:32 | * | amiconn is also tired :/ |
| 00:09:18 | sean | question.....40gb ipod 4gen.....flac possible? |
| 00:09:22 | preglow | sean: sure |
| 00:09:26 | preglow | sean: it works very well |
| 00:09:31 | preglow | fastest codec we have |
| 00:10:19 | sean | yeah? |
| 00:10:25 | sean | how do u ... .do it |
| 00:10:26 | sean | lol |
| 00:10:34 | sean | is there a readme or something im missing |
| 00:10:37 | preglow | do what? |
| 00:10:39 | preglow | play flacs? |
| 00:10:41 | sean | yeah |
| 00:10:41 | preglow | you just play them |
| 00:10:45 | sean | onto ipod? |
| 00:10:48 | | Quit ender` (" Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and IRC is nothing like Shakespeare.") |
| 00:10:52 | preglow | ehh |
| 00:10:58 | preglow | how far are you? you even got rockbox on the thing? |
| 00:11:07 | sean | no not yet |
| 00:11:07 | sean | lol |
| 00:11:16 | preglow | then that quite obviously needs doing |
| 00:11:20 | sean | hahahaha |
| 00:11:29 | sean | is there a readme? |
| 00:11:33 | preglow | after you've got that going, a lame bull should be able to make flac work |
| 00:11:49 | sean | whats a lame bull |
| 00:11:53 | preglow | sean: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 00:12:09 | Mikachu | sean: a male cow that can't move |
| 00:12:11 | preglow | sean: a bull with severe difficulties in moving |
| 00:12:23 | sean | haha |
| 00:12:40 | sean | sweet |
| 00:12:51 | sean | so i install this and it will support flacs and such? |
| 00:12:53 | sean | very cool. |
| 00:13:08 | preglow | yes it will |
| 00:13:21 | preglow | and yes it is |
| 00:13:38 | sean | alrite ima try this ish....thanks man |
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| 00:19:30 | preglow | amiconn: sweet mother of satan, that thing is 400 pages |
| 00:20:25 | * | amiconn wants a HD66753 datasheet |
| 00:20:52 | miner49er | oops, I've just decided to upgrade from debian sarge to etch...I hope I can still code after this... |
| 00:21:11 | preglow | miner49er: better start with more basic stuff like hoping you can boot |
| 00:21:14 | preglow | miner49er: hoping you can login |
| 00:21:47 | MrStaticVoid | so...how long does ROLO normally take to load a new rockbox file? |
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| 00:22:43 | preglow | amiconn: spec says only way of waking a sleeping device is soft reset, hard reset or DEVICE RESET |
| 00:23:29 | miner49er | m00s: it appears i'm not registerd... |
| 00:23:44 | lostlogic | MrStaticVoid: as long as rockbox takes to boot up |
| 00:24:04 | MrStaticVoid | then it must be freezing for me |
| 00:24:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: I have a copy of the HD66753 datasheet in Japanese. |
| 00:24:20 | Mikachu | lostlogic: did you see what i wrote about id3 tag view thing? |
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| 00:24:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: I only found the HD66571 |
| 00:24:29 | miner49er | Moos: i'm not regesterd |
| 00:24:43 | lostlogic | Mikachu: don't think so... does it relate to me specifically? |
| 00:24:52 | sean | ummm i cant find what number my ipod is |
| 00:24:55 | Mikachu | preglow: i don't know if this helps, but hdparm manual says the same thing for -Y, but for -y says standby mode also causes a spindown |
| 00:24:56 | sean | for the ipodpatcher thing |
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| 00:25:18 | Mikachu | lostlogic: yes, scrolling the wheel in that screen only goes one step until you release the wheel and touch again, because it doesn't check for | BUTTON_REPEAT on ipods, and you changed that |
| 00:25:27 | Moos | miner49er: registered your nick type /msg nickserv register <your pass> |
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| 00:25:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/j207335_hd66753.pdf |
| 00:25:56 | Mikachu | lostlogic: it's on line 1100 in screens.c and the next case |
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| 00:26:51 | Mikachu | hm, that doesn't display correctly in xpdf |
| 00:26:59 | sean | how do i find which number my ipod is for the "ipodpatcher" |
| 00:27:12 | lostlogic | Mikachu: ah, yes, we need to go around and check that places that should allow button_repeat do... |
| 00:27:17 | lostlogic | same happens in several games I understand |
| 00:27:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Thanks |
| 00:27:39 | amiconn | I hope the 66753 is similar enough to the 66751 to figure out some things |
| 00:27:40 | Mikachu | lostlogic: ah, maybe it does happen in more places, this is the only one i noticed so far though |
| 00:27:56 | lostlogic | Mikachu: there are plenty, a patch that fixes them would be muchly appreciated |
| 00:27:57 | miner49er | <Moos: It's not working for me - that'll be the vodka i've been drinking tonight |
| 00:28:03 | amiconn | The update is definitely fishy, and I want to get display flip working etc |
| 00:28:24 | amiconn | The 66751 is 128x128 while the 753 is 168x132. The data layout is the same |
| 00:29:27 | miner49er | Moos: If you can test for me, I would appreciate that a lot but my bird (girlfriend) has just come home and I need to see to her. |
| 00:29:44 | Doomed9 | hey |
| 00:29:46 | amiconn | Nice :) Now I know the internal refresh rate. It's 69Hz, very similar to the H1x0 LCD |
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| 00:30:12 | amiconn | Together with the somewhat slow panel this should work excellent for grayscale... |
| 00:30:51 | webguest26 | Could anyone test if they can convert this bdf http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTB___24.bdf to rockbox fnt? Convbdf segfaults for me :-s |
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| 00:32:13 | tabby | Hi, i want to ask something about ROCKbox logo. |
| 00:32:14 | tabby | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockboxlogo.png |
| 00:32:16 | tabby | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockboxlogo.png |
| 00:32:17 | tabby | are these uses OK? |
| 00:32:19 | tabby | If it isn't OK, please imform them on Talkpage or somewhere. |
| 00:32:40 | Moos | miner49er: haha XD |
| 00:32:47 | Moos | I'll check that, link? |
| 00:32:48 | | Part tabby |
| 00:32:59 | Bagder | tabby: its fine enough |
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| 00:33:07 | webguest26 | tabby: I can't see how it wouldn't be, since it's distributed in the source as gpl |
| 00:33:20 | * | mustaqila rapes Xerion |
| 00:33:22 | webguest26 | Bagder: How about the large version? |
| 00:33:23 | | Part mustaqila |
| 00:33:43 | Bagder | we'll certainly license that under the same rules |
| 00:33:58 | Bagder | at least |
| 00:34:02 | webguest26 | And more interesting, how about copyright/licensing of wiki contents? |
| 00:34:16 | Bagder | that is a good question! ;-) |
| 00:34:42 | webguest26 | Agreed |
| 00:35:17 | | Quit sean ("CGI:IRC") |
| 00:35:34 | webguest26 | "Copyright © 1999-2006 by the contributing authors." not very informative |
| 00:37:03 | webguest26 | is it just under regular copyright terms then? |
| 00:37:32 | webguest26 | because that'd be unfortunate |
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| 00:44:35 | preglow | amiconn: i think we can pretty much kiss a fast resolution of the m68k bug goodbye |
| 00:45:08 | Doomed9 | heh, is there anyway to support rvf on H120? |
| 00:45:38 | | Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:45:46 | sean | rockbox is awesome |
| 00:45:54 | webguest26 | Yes, yes it is. |
| 00:46:15 | sean | so now i can just upload songs (AND FLAC!!!) as i please with my normal program? |
| 00:46:17 | sean | (winamp) |
| 00:46:28 | Doomed9 | upload? |
| 00:46:42 | Mikachu | just open the ipod in explorer and copy the files wherever you want |
| 00:46:44 | webguest26 | Absolutely (although I didn't know winamp had any sort of upload capabilities) |
| 00:46:59 | sean | yeah winamp new version can do it |
| 00:47:05 | webguest26 | Unless you mean the winamp ipod thing? |
| 00:47:08 | sean | yeah |
| 00:47:10 | webguest26 | shouldn't use that |
| 00:47:13 | sean | no? |
| 00:47:19 | webguest26 | That's for working with Apple OS |
| 00:47:25 | sean | very true |
| 00:47:31 | sean | so explorer is the way to go? |
| 00:47:33 | webguest26 | just copy the files unto your ipod in explorer |
| 00:47:45 | sean | anywhere? |
| 00:47:50 | webguest26 | Or any other program that works in the same way |
| 00:47:51 | webguest26 | Yes |
| 00:47:54 | webguest26 | however you please |
| 00:48:08 | sean | wow |
| 00:48:19 | sean | how can i delte all the music i have on here now? |
| 00:48:52 | webguest26 | Don't know how that works, better ask someone with an ipod :) |
| 00:48:59 | webguest26 | (who's used appleos) |
| 00:49:04 | Mikachu | there's a dir somewhere under Ipod_Control that has all the mp3 files |
| 00:49:23 | sean | yeah i remmeber that....do i just delete it....or delete the folders within it |
| 00:49:24 | preglow | Mikachu: you did have a nano, yeah? |
| 00:49:30 | Mikachu | yes, still do |
| 00:49:31 | preglow | Mikachu: windows? linux? |
| 00:49:41 | Mikachu | leenucks |
| 00:49:54 | preglow | you ever get the blinking battery icon when disconnecting from disk mode? |
| 00:50:07 | Mikachu | i use apple for transferring files |
| 00:50:13 | preglow | riiight |
| 00:50:23 | preglow | i just insert usb and wait |
| 00:50:23 | Mikachu | i could try though |
| 00:50:31 | preglow | it doesn't happen all the time |
| 00:50:37 | Mikachu | i have the 'reboot to apple' menu entry |
| 00:50:53 | Mikachu | and not rebooting on insert of usb |
| 00:51:00 | Mikachu | so i don't actually have to touch the cable to switch |
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| 00:52:04 | sean | any reason why my computer isnt reading it ? |
| 00:52:26 | Mikachu | it seems menu+usb also reboots to apple with that patch |
| 00:53:06 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 00:53:21 | | Part Aditya |
| 00:53:54 | preglow | looking good |
| 00:54:27 | preglow | Mikachu: and that never has any glitches of any kind? |
| 00:54:54 | Mikachu | not that i've noticed, no |
| 00:55:00 | preglow | good to know, good to know |
| 00:55:17 | Mikachu | of course it won't reboot back to rockbox on unplugging by default though |
| 00:55:27 | Mikachu | but i write a { to /dev/sda1 in my script :) |
| 00:55:28 | preglow | Mikachu: ahh, forgot about that |
| 00:55:54 | sean | still cant my computer to read it when i plug it in |
| 00:56:25 | Doomed9 | whats the rvf viewer called |
| 00:56:39 | preglow | i need sleep |
| 00:56:42 | preglow | later, all |
| 00:56:47 | Mikachu | good night |
| 00:57:41 | RoC_MM | nite Mikachu |
| 00:58:05 | sean | anyone know how to make the explorer read the ipod? or am i just retarded |
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| 01:03:54 | Bagder | any way for me to check the number of pages of a pdf file? |
| 01:04:52 | linuxstb | sean: You may need to tick a box in itunes to enable access via explorer. |
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| 01:07:48 | bluebrother^ | Bagder: some time ago I found a script on the net that counted pages of a ps file. |
| 01:07:56 | bluebrother^ | unfortunately I lost it. |
| 01:08:53 | Bagder | it isn't that important, I just thought it would be nice to show "X pages" next to the link |
| 01:09:12 | linuxstb | Bagder: I'm not sure where it came from, but my Debian has a "pdfinfo" which displays the number of pages. |
| 01:09:29 | * | Bagder checks |
| 01:10:17 | Bagder | xpdf-utils it seems |
| 01:10:52 | Bagder | no poppler-utils it is |
| 01:11:14 | bluebrother^ | I just tried pdfinfo ... but it gives me a wrong page count :( |
| 01:11:20 | Bagder | argh |
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| 01:12:21 | webguest26 | linuxstb: dpkg -S pdfinfo |
| 01:12:30 | Bagder | it works for the two manuals I tried |
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| 01:12:42 | Bagder | recorder and iaudio |
| 01:13:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:13:48 | bluebrother^ | strange. Mine is pdfinfo 3.01 so I guess it isn't _that_ old. |
| 01:14:13 | Bagder | "pdfinfo version 3.00" |
| 01:14:18 | Bagder | hehe |
| 01:15:37 | bluebrother^ | anyway, I should go and catch some sleep |
| 01:15:54 | | Quit bluebrother^ ("until tomorrow ...") |
| 01:16:14 | | Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) |
| 01:16:53 | * | webguest26 boggles |
| 01:16:56 | Bagder | page count added |
| 01:17:28 | webguest26 | Why on earth is convbdf segfaulting for me, and not for phaedrus961? Riddle me that. Same bdf file. |
| 01:17:54 | webguest26 | Can anyone test if convbdf on this file works? http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTB___24.bdf |
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| 01:20:09 | webguest26 | Why is there a donate button on the manual page? |
| 01:20:17 | webguest26 | isn't that sortof.. redundant? |
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| 01:26:34 | goffa__ | heh... maybe more people will see it webguest26 |
| 01:26:51 | goffa__ | i hope more people donate |
| 01:27:06 | webguest26 | Well it's on that same page twice |
| 01:27:18 | webguest26 | Just seems like a fork in the eye to me |
| 01:27:35 | webguest26 | I'd keep the text but remove the button |
| 01:27:49 | webguest26 | maybe say "click the paypal button on your left to donate" |
| 01:28:43 | goffa__ | yeah.. i know what you are saying... |
| 01:28:48 | goffa__ | but i guess it doesn't bother me |
| 01:29:30 | webguest26 | Probably easier to stay sane that way |
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| 01:34:04 | Kyomi|off | Oh |
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| 01:34:16 | Kyomi | Anyone get the latest experimental build? |
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| 01:37:35 | sean | my computer wont read my ipod, its not that itunes "disk usage" isnt checked, winamp doesnt read it either, any ideas? |
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| 01:40:33 | Mikachu | sean: are you in apple os? |
| 01:40:50 | sean | nope win xp |
| 01:41:05 | sharpe | are you using the apple firmware on your ipod? |
| 01:41:16 | Mikachu | i meant on your ipod.. |
| 01:41:40 | sean | um? i installed the rockbox os i thought |
| 01:41:50 | sean | i followed that guide someone sent me |
| 01:41:57 | sean | its in the rockbox os as of right now |
| 01:41:57 | Kyomi | Anyone have the recent experimental build? |
| 01:42:08 | Mikachu | sean: what's on the ipod's screen when the cable is plugged in? |
| 01:42:14 | Kyomi | I've noticed that when you try to save a config file and push a-b... it doesn't work anymore |
| 01:42:18 | sean | same as when its not plugged in |
| 01:42:25 | sean | nothing changes |
| 01:42:32 | Mikachu | well, rockbox doesn't support file transfers on ipods yet |
| 01:42:32 | Kyomi | a-b gets you to some screen so you can move left/right in the text |
| 01:42:33 | sharpe | is the usb cable plugged in completely? |
| 01:42:33 | sean | its the rockbox os screen main menu |
| 01:42:44 | sharpe | er, both ends. |
| 01:42:47 | Mikachu | so you need to reboot back to apple os or the disc mode to copy files |
| 01:42:58 | sean | oh |
| 01:43:03 | sean | how would i do either of those? |
| 01:43:17 | sharpe | while booting hold play and select for disk mide |
| 01:43:18 | sharpe | mode |
| 01:43:22 | Mikachu | hold down play for a few seconds to turn off rockbox, then click menu (dont hold it down) then hold down menu |
| 01:43:29 | Mikachu | for apple os |
| 01:43:34 | Mikachu | and i guess play and select for disc mod |
| 01:43:36 | Mikachu | e |
| 01:43:52 | sean | whats "disc mode" |
| 01:44:05 | sharpe | essentially where your ipod acts as a usb drive. |
| 01:44:12 | sean | thats what i want i think |
| 01:44:54 | Mikachu | if you have a nano that mode is slower than apple os, but otherwise it's fine |
| 01:45:08 | sean | 40gb blck white, shoiuld be fine |
| 01:45:51 | sean | ok so to reboot to disc mode i have to restart it then hold those 2? |
| 01:46:00 | Mikachu | yes |
| 01:46:13 | sean | and i restart how? |
| 01:46:13 | sharpe | yes, while the apple logo is displayed. |
| 01:46:14 | sean | :p |
| 01:46:18 | sharpe | hold menu and select |
| 01:46:19 | sharpe | er |
| 01:46:20 | Mikachu | sean: i already told you |
| 01:46:28 | Mikachu | you don't want to hold menu+select unless it crashed |
| 01:46:33 | Mikachu | use just play for a few seconds |
| 01:46:37 | sharpe | yeah, but it always works. :) |
| 01:47:16 | sean | sick |
| 01:47:18 | sean | thanks guys |
| 01:47:21 | sean | thanks a lot |
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| 01:48:47 | midkay | amiconn, @ me not adapting wormlet for the minis - of course i didn't! :) |
| 01:49:10 | sharpe | midkay! |
| 01:49:15 | midkay | sharpe! |
| 01:50:32 | midkay | amiconn, holy crap.. from unworking to audio playback, bootable, usable in one day.. congrats! |
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| 01:53:48 | RotAtoR | w00t! decently fast and accurate seeking for musepack?! http://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=299 |
| 01:53:58 | * | RotAtoR wets himself with glee |
| 01:54:10 | Moos | O.O |
| 01:54:15 | Moos | Great |
| 01:54:18 | goffa__ | yeah |
| 01:54:25 | goffa__ | i haven't stopped RotAtoR |
| 01:54:36 | goffa__ | been running it on my iaudio for 2 days now |
| 01:54:39 | goffa__ | or something like that |
| 01:55:08 | * | Moos have plenty of mpc's too :) |
| 01:55:18 | RotAtoR | this is such good news, my entire collection is mpc! |
| 01:55:45 | Moos | Yeah RotAtoR that's great thanks for the news |
| 01:55:56 | goffa__ | yeah... about 1/3 here.. got approx 21000 mpcs |
| 01:56:27 | RotAtoR | it's good to see the format is still somewhat alive |
| 01:56:29 | goffa__ | your nick looks familiar RotAtoR |
| 01:56:40 | Moos | but btw will that needed to reencode all collection? :( |
| 01:56:48 | Kyomi | I have... umm... none |
| 01:56:51 | Moos | or decoder thing |
| 01:56:52 | Moos | ? |
| 01:56:54 | RotAtoR | goffa__: yours too, dc hub user? |
| 01:56:56 | * | Kyomi converts them all to ogg |
| 01:57:00 | goffa__ | there ya go |
| 01:57:01 | goffa__ | :) |
| 01:57:04 | RotAtoR | :D |
| 01:57:07 | goffa__ | used to be anyway |
| 01:57:20 | goffa__ | that still going or did it die? |
| 01:57:23 | Moos | RotAtoR: need to rerip entire collection? |
| 01:57:35 | Moos | encodeur or decodeur thing? |
| 01:57:55 | RotAtoR | goffa__: there are still a few hubs I visit occasionally |
| 01:58:05 | * | Moos goes to read the link :) |
| 01:58:51 | RotAtoR | Moos: it looks like the patch also changes the encoder, it looks like the seeking that was implemented is slightly inaccurate with the current encoder |
| 01:59:07 | Moos | ok |
| 01:59:31 | Moos | will we need to rerip CDs then? |
| 01:59:45 | sharpe | aww... |
| 01:59:50 | sharpe | dead battery... |
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| 02:00:42 | RotAtoR | Moos: meh, i doubt the inaccuracy would be noticable, he said it was only a few inaccurate decoded frames out of the whole file |
| 02:01:03 | Moos | wee then \o/ |
| 02:01:52 | * | RotAtoR goes off to try the patch |
| 02:02:17 | Moos | hehe :-) let us know |
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| 02:02:50 | * | Moos waited this happen since looooog time ! :) |
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| 02:09:40 | midkay | sharpe, what's up? |
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| 02:11:30 | * | webguest26 wonders how well audio works on 2g mini |
| 02:11:48 | webguest26 | Don't they have the "bad" pp chips? |
| 02:12:28 | sharpe | like bad as in evil? |
| 02:12:40 | sharpe | or the new modern sense of bad, as in good? |
| 02:13:00 | webguest26 | Bad is in defective |
| 02:13:04 | sharpe | aww... |
| 02:13:10 | sharpe | i've no idea. |
| 02:13:20 | webguest26 | Not actually evil, just not very good. Don't think they'll eat anyone's firstborn |
| 02:13:40 | webguest26 | I guess I could read up on that somewhere |
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| 02:14:40 | sharpe | nor would they be 'gangster' even though that has no connection with the word 'bad' but is usually associated with said person. |
| 02:15:22 | webguest26 | Ah, no, the minis have pp5020 |
| 02:15:40 | webguest26 | Regular 1g, 2g and 3g are the ones with pp5002 |
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| 02:16:40 | sharpe | something's not right... |
| 02:17:12 | sharpe | oh |
| 02:17:16 | sharpe | that's what's wrong. |
| 02:18:16 | RotAtoR | hooray, musepack is seeking! |
| 02:18:24 | RotAtoR | still seems a little buggy though |
| 02:18:50 | RotAtoR | had a couple pops when seeking, not too loud though |
| 02:19:02 | webguest26 | Sounds good, preglow will be interested to hear |
| 02:19:05 | RotAtoR | also it didn't like seeking 20 minutes into a file |
| 02:19:27 | RotAtoR | I gave up after ~30 seconds of it constantly running the disk |
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| 02:20:08 | Moos | Very good start indeed |
| 02:20:19 | Moos | that sounds promising |
| 02:20:56 | RotAtoR | yeah, it seems almost perfect for shorter jumps |
| 02:21:09 | Moos | Coooooooooool ! |
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| 02:23:43 | sean | i <3 rockbox |
| 02:24:04 | sharpe | one more down, sixty three million to go... |
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| 02:24:33 | sean | hahaha |
| 02:25:01 | sean | one question, how do i get back to the main main menu, the one where i can browse the folders i made witth music in them |
| 02:25:12 | sean | and flac files sound amazing thru there btw |
| 02:25:31 | sharpe | from the while playing screen, press select |
| 02:25:37 | midkay | that's not a menu, that's the browser.. just exit any menu you're in with the menu button or the << to keep going up in the menu hierarchy.. |
| 02:25:37 | midkay | or, yeah. |
| 02:25:38 | midkay | : |
| 02:25:40 | midkay | :)* |
| 02:25:46 | sharpe | and left to go down a folder level |
| 02:25:50 | sean | i love you |
| 02:26:00 | * | midkay wanders off :E |
| 02:26:05 | sean | hahaha |
| 02:26:07 | sean | thanks all |
| 02:26:12 | sean | you've got a great product here |
| 02:30:59 | fergie | Is there some color guide for setting color values? |
| 02:31:31 | sharpe | what do you mean? |
| 02:31:57 | fergie | to set the colors |
| 02:32:25 | fergie | like forground: colorcode |
| 02:32:44 | fergie | so black is 0 |
| 02:32:48 | fergie | and white? |
| 02:33:11 | sharpe | wait, what are you working with? |
| 02:33:48 | fergie | wit a .cfg from a theme, they forgot to include the color values, the must be black and white |
| 02:34:01 | sharpe | okay then |
| 02:34:09 | sharpe | black: 000000 white: FFFFFF |
| 02:34:25 | fergie | ah ok, hex works also, thanks |
| 02:34:29 | sharpe | welcome |
| 02:34:48 | sean | peace...ill be back with more questions soon |
| 02:34:49 | sean | lol |
| 02:34:57 | sharpe | later :) |
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| 02:35:38 | sharpe | yeah, FFFFFF unless you wish to remember 4294967295... which as far as i know, values are only stored/read in hex. |
| 02:36:24 | vca | heh, i can see how that could be confusing if black was stuck in there as 0x"0" instead of 0x"000000" |
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| 02:54:55 | fiftyfour123 | is an hfs driver for rockbox currentl being developed? |
| 02:56:11 | webguest26 | no |
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| 03:24:06 | unhcr | hey all |
| 03:24:14 | unhcr | what is the battery life on the x5 with rockbox |
| 03:24:18 | unhcr | 3 hours? |
| 03:24:43 | midkay_ | unhcr, haha. no real tests have been done.. |
| 03:24:47 | midkay_ | afaik. |
| 03:24:49 | unhcr | ah |
| 03:24:50 | unhcr | okay |
| 03:24:55 | midkay_ | should be way more than that. |
| 03:24:59 | unhcr | o okay |
| 03:25:01 | unhcr | so then its fine |
| 03:25:11 | unhcr | tomrorw im going to compile the album art |
| 03:25:14 | unhcr | and then |
| 03:25:17 | unhcr | laugh at every fucker |
| 03:25:21 | unhcr | cause im not sharing the shit |
| 03:25:27 | midkay_ | how generous of you. |
| 03:25:33 | unhcr | ive asked the forums to help me |
| 03:25:34 | unhcr | no one does |
| 03:25:35 | unhcr | so |
| 03:25:57 | midkay_ | maybe if you laid off the i'm-better-than-you-cause-i-use-rockbox-and-you-don't attitude.. :) |
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| 03:27:12 | sharpe | aww... |
| 03:27:32 | midkay_ | idiot.. |
| 03:28:32 | sharpe | did i miss anything? |
| 03:28:56 | midkay_ | only the few minutes of dialog before he quit.. oh, and when he was here last night asking.. |
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| 04:57:55 | afruff23 | I need help making a WPS |
| 04:58:03 | afruff23 | can I put a picture inside fo another one |
| 04:58:14 | afruff23 | say a picture takes up half the screen |
| 04:58:23 | afruff23 | can I display another picture on top of that? |
| 04:58:35 | afruff23 | fr jsut part of it |
| 04:58:40 | afruff23 | for jsut part of it |
| 04:58:43 | afruff23 | just* |
| 04:59:21 | afruff23 | anybody there? |
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| 05:00:29 | afruff23 | hello? |
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| 05:01:33 | afruff23 | is it possilbe to dispaly a picture on top of another picture in the WPS? (the bottom image is not the WPS) |
| 05:01:46 | afruff23 | I eman the bottom image is not the backdroo |
| 05:01:58 | afruff23 | mean backdrop* |
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| 05:21:05 | midkay_ | afruff23, um.. |
| 05:21:10 | midkay_ | well, why not try it? |
| 05:21:37 | afruff23 | maybe alter |
| 05:21:42 | afruff23 | my x5 isn't with me |
| 05:22:01 | afruff23 | do you use the GIMP? |
| 05:22:08 | midkay_ | it's probably done in the order you execute it in the wPS.. |
| 05:22:12 | midkay_ | ugh, no. :) |
| 05:22:21 | afruff23 | what's wrong with it? |
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| 05:22:40 | afruff23 | it's pretty powerful |
| 05:22:42 | midkay_ | i don't like the multiple windows mainly.. just too 'weird'.. |
| 05:22:49 | midkay_ | so is photoshop. :) |
| 05:23:02 | afruff23 | yea, but PS isn't free |
| 05:23:10 | midkay_ | nope.. |
| 05:23:34 | afruff23 | it's free? |
| 05:23:41 | midkay_ | nope as in it's not free. haha. |
| 05:23:46 | virtualball2 | i have a question, why ant rockbox work from a HFS+ iPod? Is it the way it searches for files in the home directory? |
| 05:23:59 | afruff23 | it's formatted for macs |
| 05:24:08 | afruff23 | at least I think that's why |
| 05:24:11 | midkay_ | hfs+ ipod? mac? rockbox only reads fat32.. |
| 05:24:23 | afruff23 | yep |
| 05:24:26 | afruff23 | I was right |
| 05:24:33 | virtualball2 | midkay_, sorry, ya i was asking why only for fat32? |
| 05:24:54 | afruff23 | it's one of the msot universal formats |
| 05:25:05 | midkay_ | virtualball2, because other filesystem support takes time to create and code space.. |
| 05:25:07 | afruff23 | and most players already have it |
| 05:25:16 | midkay_ | fat is the most popular, and yeah, most simply work like that. |
| 05:25:37 | virtualball2 | oh ok thanks |
| 05:25:46 | midkay_ | no problem |
| 05:25:46 | afruff23 | does anybody know how to fill in transparent area with a certain color? |
| 05:25:56 | midkay_ | afruff23, where/when? |
| 05:26:01 | afruff23 | in gimp |
| 05:26:20 | midkay_ | blah.. :) |
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| 05:29:09 | burnhamd | what is the status of the ipod mini support |
| 05:29:41 | midkay_ | burnhamd, the latest commits are visible on the main page... apparently it's working alright. |
| 05:30:57 | afruff23 | audio is working on ipod mini 2g |
| 05:31:10 | afruff23 | not sure abotu 1g |
| 05:31:13 | afruff23 | about* |
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| 05:31:26 | burnhamd | that is the one i own |
| 05:31:29 | burnhamd | the 1 g |
| 05:31:47 | midkay_ | then it's not working yet, as far as i know. |
| 05:36:23 | burnhamd | anyone know if there is a developer in the community with this model |
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| 05:40:12 | ts-x | burnhamd: talk to amiconn, he's the one developing for the mini 2g. |
| 05:40:31 | burnhamd | ok |
| 05:40:53 | ts-x | I don't believe any developers have 1g's - you may be able to do some testing to help them |
| 05:41:13 | burnhamd | yes i was planning on that |
| 05:41:16 | afruff23 | anybody use GIMP |
| 05:41:23 | burnhamd | just trying to asess the situation |
| 05:41:52 | ts-x | Did you read yesterday's logs...I believe there was some discussion pertaining to 1g v. 2g |
| 05:42:11 | burnhamd | no i havent |
| 05:42:15 | burnhamd | thanks for the tip |
| 05:44:22 | ts-x | np...amiconn, linuxstb, and/or preglow would be the people you'd want to talk to |
| 05:44:41 | burnhamd | ok |
| 05:46:48 | ts-x | burnhamd: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060330.txt, read from about 16:00 on |
| 05:47:30 | ts-x | oops, w/o the comma - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060330.txt |
| 05:47:52 | burnhamd | thanks i was searching throught the 29th |
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| 05:50:32 | ts-x | gtg..later |
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| 05:53:08 | aliask | Hey all, I'm looking for some feedback for a patch I made: |
| 05:53:09 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4954 |
| 05:53:48 | midkay_ | aliask, sounds quite useful if only i used the playlist search more often. :) |
| 05:54:15 | aliask | I use it all the time, because I don't think tagcache is quite ready. |
| 05:54:45 | midkay_ | aliask, why not? certainly easier than searching for songs i think.. |
| 05:55:29 | aliask | Well, I like to have a big playlist with shuffled songs, and search for songs in it every once in a while, this is something tagcache doesn't offer (or does it?) |
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| 05:56:06 | aliask | Also, wading through all the artists/albums/songs is tedious, as the scrolling acceleration isn't that fast. |
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| 05:56:29 | midkay_ | aliask, cool. well, we don't all have to have the same preferences. :) |
| 05:56:57 | aliask | Which is why rockbox is so good! :D |
| 05:57:05 | midkay_ | :) |
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| 05:57:59 | webguest04 | does the ipod charge while in rockbox os mode while plugged in to the comp? |
| 05:59:13 | aliask | Hrm, just checking tagcache out a bit more, it looks like the folder limit applies when browsing, should it be ignored and just display the max amount? |
| 05:59:29 | dwihno | webguest04: good question! |
| 05:59:33 | burnhamd | wbguest04: i believe that ipod charging is handled by the hardware so yes |
| 05:59:46 | dwihno | that would be good |
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| 06:00:05 | dwihno | How good is ipod audio quality with rockbox? |
| 06:00:44 | webguest04 | thx |
| 06:00:47 | webguest04 | qualitys sick |
| 06:00:52 | webguest04 | especially with flac files |
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| 06:01:15 | webguest04 | gapless audio....eqs.... |
| 06:01:22 | webguest04 | good friggen stuff |
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| 06:36:37 | RoC_MM | any of the developers who were looking at that 4G battery benchmark earlier today around? |
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| 07:14:30 | amiconn | good morning :) |
| 07:14:46 | dwihno | Howdy! |
| 07:14:51 | dwihno | Howdy y'all! |
| 07:15:43 | midk | hey dwihno, long time no see.. :) morning amiconn - i guess you didn't catch it earlier, but congrats on the mini work :) |
| 07:16:41 | amiconn | Found it in the logs - thx :) |
| 07:16:56 | midk | ah, you actually read all that. :) |
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| 07:17:21 | amiconn | Not everything, but my client highlights lines directed to me |
| 07:17:42 | midk | amiconn, i use xchat which highlights the nick.. semi-hard to find sometimes though :) |
| 07:18:03 | * | amiconn prefers clients with configurable highlithing |
| 07:18:21 | amiconn | I have mine configured to highlight the whole line, in red text |
| 07:18:26 | midk | amiconn, in xchat you can configure colors.. haven't looked into it too much though. |
| 07:18:33 | midk | that'd be nice, hm. what client are you using? |
| 07:19:04 | RoC_MM | xchat default is to highlight in red any lines with your nick and turn the tab for that channel blue (as opposed to red for just new chat lines) |
| 07:19:20 | midk | RoC_MM, maybe you're using a newer version.. |
| 07:19:24 | dwihno | hiya midk |
| 07:19:29 | RoC_MM | 2.4.5, actually a little old |
| 07:19:37 | midk | 2.0.10c here, it only bold/yellows the nick, leaves the line white.. tab turns blue though. |
| 07:19:38 | RoC_MM | it may be a preference that I turned on |
| 07:19:50 | * | dwihno is -><- this close to getting a ipod video... would be nice to do some rockboxing again |
| 07:19:54 | midk | what's up, dwihno? i can't remember having seen you for a while. :) |
| 07:20:03 | dwihno | midk: Been here, just idling most of the time :) |
| 07:20:24 | dwihno | "If you don't have anything smart to say, just shut up"... And shut up I did ;D |
| 07:20:25 | midk | dwihno, ah, haha. i guess i should read the entire userlist more often ;) |
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| 07:21:21 | dwihno | ;) |
| 07:21:45 | midk | dwihno, well, cool - if you have any questions.. i've got a video as well. |
| 07:22:00 | amiconn | midk: Actually, my net hacking time yesterday was just 5 hours from start until working playback |
| 07:22:48 | midk | amiconn, quite incredible.. from "unusable, almost abandoned port" to "basically fully working" in like half a day.. even less in total work time. :) |
| 07:23:19 | amiconn | It is now working almost as well as the 4G grayscale |
| 07:23:33 | midk | what's not working yet? anything? |
| 07:23:45 | amiconn | The only thing not yet working is the button driver in the bootloader, so I can't boot apple fw at all |
| 07:23:45 | midk | a battery of plugins, i'd guess.. |
| 07:23:56 | midk | amiconn, blah, that's low priority :) |
| 07:24:10 | amiconn | The other quirks are the same as for the 4G itself |
| 07:24:17 | amiconn | plugins, battery monitoring... |
| 07:24:25 | dwihno | midk: ah, really nice! so how are they? the last time I saw something else than a nano was a 1g :) |
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| 07:24:39 | midk | damn, you're efficient.. :) what's the res of the screen? same as another model? |
| 07:25:44 | midk | dwihno, haha. it's great.. physically, very small but sturdy; the screen is very nice.. video playback if you ever use it works well.. rockbox runs deliciously. :) |
| 07:26:09 | RoC_MM | amiconn, which target did you fix? |
| 07:26:54 | midk | amiconn, wow - the mini's screen is the same number of pixels as the 4G? isn't it like half the size? :O |
| 07:27:10 | midk | oh. no.. it's smaller, my mistake. |
| 07:27:33 | dwihno | midk: yummy! I was thinking of running rockbox mainly, with an exception of running the apple fw when playing videos... but then, I'd still need to create that database (for just a handful of clips)... are there any plugins on target that create apple db's? |
| 07:28:07 | midk | dwihno, no database support at all (yet?..).. |
| 07:28:25 | midk | btw, has your nick always been dwihno? i thought it was 'dwinho'. |
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| 07:28:57 | midgey31 | so, I know not many devs are on, but has anyone had the chance to look at my snake2 patch? |
| 07:29:05 | dwihno | midk: writing a plugin for creating a database, for, let's say, a directory, should be a trivial task, provided there are libs for the db format |
| 07:29:08 | midgey31 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4952 |
| 07:29:15 | dwihno | (or good specs) |
| 07:29:26 | dwihno | midk: always the same name, yay! ;D |
| 07:29:55 | RoC_MM | midgey31, try again tomorrow afternoon (EST)....the channel is quieter at night around now |
| 07:30:01 | midk | dwihno - haha, wow.. i've always thought it was the other way around :) - but i don't think it would be very hard, it just hasn't been done yet. |
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| 07:31:10 | dwihno | midk: As I can see it, there are two ways. 1) create a plugin 2) create an app |
| 07:31:28 | dwihno | there are pro's and con's with both ideas, but both tasks should be trivial anyhow |
| 07:31:28 | midk | booting to apple firmware is fine for videos, what's the problem exactly? rockbox plays music well, so you shouldn't need to go back and forth for that.. |
| 07:32:04 | dwihno | midk: afaik, the apple fw _requires_ "the database file" to be able to browse for files. |
| 07:32:04 | midk | midgey31, i saw it earlier, fwiw.. i'll actually try it now and see how it is. :) |
| 07:32:04 | midk | for what exactly? |
| 07:32:07 | dwihno | unless that has changed |
| 07:32:14 | midgey31 | RoC_MM: yah I know the whole timezone thing sorta messes it up, I was really just wanting to get it in the log before I leave for vactaion |
| 07:32:17 | midk | dwihno, it does. |
| 07:32:20 | midk | how does that affect you, i mean? |
| 07:32:36 | RoC_MM | ahh |
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| 07:32:48 | dwihno | midk: Well, I don't want to use itunes to be able to play videos... I still need to create that database file somehow... |
| 07:33:04 | midk | midgey31, just looking at the bitmaps. cool. :) |
| 07:33:04 | dwihno | midk: one way being using a plugin in rockbox, and one way is an application run on your computer |
| 07:33:25 | dwihno | midk: for smaller directories (only video's for instance) a plugin should do the task quite nicely |
| 07:33:36 | midk | dwihno, ah. well, afaik, itunes is about the only way.. |
| 07:34:03 | dwihno | midk: There has got to be other ways... |
| 07:34:16 | midk | dwihno, well, foo_pod is supposed to work but doesn't.. |
| 07:34:18 | dwihno | midk: So how do you choose fw? A special key combo? |
| 07:34:32 | midk | dwihno, yeah. on boot, if you hold menu you end up in the original firmware. |
| 07:34:35 | dwihno | midk: "if there is a will, there is a way" |
| 07:34:55 | midk | dwihno, however true that is, there isn't a way atm.. as far as i know, again. :) |
| 07:35:03 | dwihno | :) |
| 07:35:24 | dwihno | So how about audio quality? You used to have a archos previousley, right? |
| 07:35:51 | midk | dwihno, yes - and i used to think the archos sounded good... :) |
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| 07:36:21 | midk | sounds incredible.. i'm using FLAC only at the moment, but MP3s sounded great when i used them too.. |
| 07:36:39 | midk | gapless, crossfading, 5-band EQ are notable.. |
| 07:36:40 | dwihno | I prefer wavpack, due to better compression |
| 07:36:52 | dwihno | flac is still nice :) |
| 07:36:57 | midk | wavpack's cool too. i did some comparisons, flac files ended up a few KB smaller.. :) |
| 07:36:59 | midk | both are very fast.. |
| 07:37:30 | dwihno | Are you using maximum compression then? |
| 07:37:34 | RoC_MM | depends on the level of compression you choose. |
| 07:37:48 | RoC_MM | flac has more mindshare |
| 07:38:00 | dwihno | With maximum compression (non-hybrid), wavpack gives me smaller files |
| 07:38:36 | dwihno | then again, people must have something against wavpack... there are not many applications with wavpack support :/ |
| 07:38:39 | midk | max flac for me gave smaller, only slightly.. oh well.. :) |
| 07:38:52 | RoC_MM | smaller by how much? |
| 07:38:57 | dwihno | what flac options do you use? |
| 07:39:17 | midk | RoC_MM, not much at all. maybe 100kb most on a ~30mb file... max compression, level 8 iirc. |
| 07:39:19 | dwihno | midk: speaking of ipod, how about that dreaded scratch issue? |
| 07:39:34 | midk | dwihno, ah, that.. pretty bad. |
| 07:40:02 | midk | probably not as bad on the white models, but on my black one it's kind of major.. workaround is simple, get a playthrough case that you can leave on always.. |
| 07:40:11 | RoC_MM | horrid |
| 07:40:21 | RoC_MM | they really got a problem there |
| 07:40:33 | RoC_MM | dont' even put it in your pocket or breath on it until it's in a case |
| 07:40:42 | dwihno | :/ |
| 07:40:44 | ScootScat | i heard you can use brasso to remove the scratches |
| 07:40:58 | dwihno | What case do people recommend then? |
| 07:41:03 | dwihno | I've read about something called rhinoskin |
| 07:41:06 | RoC_MM | eventually you'll get used to the scratches though...they look like the screen has a wet smear, so you go to wipe it but it doesn't come off |
| 07:41:13 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:41:24 | RoC_MM | it's less of a scratch |
| 07:41:28 | RoC_MM | and more of an abrasion |
| 07:42:59 | dwihno | :( |
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| 07:43:32 | dwihno | I hate scratches... |
| 07:43:40 | dwihno | :( |
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| 07:44:03 | dwihno | will the entire casing get affected, or just the screen? |
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| 07:44:36 | midk | dwihno, the metal backing gets really ugly and quickly.. |
| 07:45:04 | midk | the screen is where it's most noticeable during use.. like smudges on your monitor.. |
| 07:45:10 | RoC_MM | the scratches look like scratches on the casing, and they are the same severity as on the older ipods, which is not bad....some people like their mirror finish on the back to stay inblemished...this is impossible without a case |
| 07:45:10 | midk | but in the light, i can see all the scratches easily, on my black one at least. |
| 07:45:25 | RoC_MM | yes |
| 07:45:28 | RoC_MM | it's a lot like smudges |
| 07:45:53 | midk | yeah, the pixels look.. um.. magnified and stuff. :) |
| 07:46:03 | dwihno | eww :( |
| 07:46:19 | midk | dwihno, just gotta get a case asap.. |
| 07:46:45 | dwihno | how much size does it add onto the unit? |
| 07:46:53 | midk | it's not unusable after it's scratched - i've learned to ignore it - but it's nice to have it scratchfree.. |
| 07:47:04 | midk | dwihno, depends on the case.. |
| 07:47:39 | RoC_MM | most are like cell phone cases like for those flip phones...it's quite a bit less elegant, but it's also quite protective. |
| 07:47:58 | RoC_MM | very similiar to a case on a flip phone |
| 07:48:03 | midk | i actually stopped using the actionjacket recently, at least a lot less.. |
| 07:48:13 | midk | my ipod's so ugly now it's hardly worth it.. |
| 07:48:21 | midk | i'd like to try an iskin perhaps. |
| 07:48:53 | dwihno | are there replacement cases? |
| 07:49:02 | dwihno | Someone must have thought about it |
| 07:49:04 | midk | what do you mean? |
| 07:49:22 | midk | replacing the ipod's case (back/front) itself? |
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| 07:49:33 | dwihno | Simply open the case, put the hw in a new 3rd party shell |
| 07:49:40 | dwihno | yeah |
| 07:49:44 | midk | ah.. i haven't seen anything like that.. |
| 07:51:00 | RoC_MM | nite all |
| 07:51:12 | midk | night RoC_MM :) |
| 07:51:49 | dwihno | night |
| 07:52:01 | dwihno | all scratch issues would be solved in an instant |
| 07:52:07 | dwihno | Just a new case. |
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| 07:52:26 | midk | dwihno, true, but i don't think anyone's bothered.. |
| 07:53:16 | midk | midgey31? |
| 07:53:31 | dwihno | there are countless case manufacturers... there should be shell manufacturers as well |
| 07:53:45 | midk | dwihno, well, lemme know if you discover anything.. :) |
| 07:53:50 | dwihno | surething :) |
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| 07:55:26 | midk | brb |
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| 07:58:38 | midkay | dwihno, say my nick! :) |
| 07:59:51 | dwihno | midkay \o/ |
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| 08:00:05 | midkay | haha. i forgot you used to do that!!! |
| 08:00:08 | midkay | hmm. |
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| 08:03:44 | dwihno | midkay: There are countless ipod accessories shops on the 'net... Perhaps you could check as well? |
| 08:03:58 | midkay | dwihno, for .. shells? |
| 08:04:03 | dwihno | yeah |
| 08:04:05 | dwihno | replacement shells. |
| 08:04:11 | dwihno | someone must have thought about it. |
| 08:06:35 | midkay | looking, can't find anything.. |
| 08:06:40 | dwihno | http://shop.ipodworld.co.uk/iPodWorldSite/product/all_iPods_Cases_Other/AO11/Core_Cases_Aluminium_iPod_video_Case.htm |
| 08:06:45 | dwihno | (still a case, but not too shabby) |
| 08:07:04 | midkay | the iSkin looks delicious, have you seen it? |
| 08:07:59 | dwihno | neh |
| 08:08:16 | midkay | neh as in haven't seen it? http://www.iskin.com/eVo3gallery/features.html |
| 08:09:39 | midkay | ah, those metal ones look pretty nice. |
| 08:10:21 | midkay | but, yeah.. snag a case and an ipod video, and i don't think you'll be disappointed. :) |
| 08:13:27 | dwihno | :-) |
| 08:13:36 | dwihno | Remotes will not work, huh? |
| 08:13:43 | midkay | no(t yet).. |
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| 08:17:47 | dwihno | are there any accessories you recommend? |
| 08:18:03 | dwihno | I just MUST have some kind of AA-battery pack thing |
| 08:18:07 | midkay | dwihno, i don't have or use any, no.. |
| 08:18:10 | dwihno | That would be swell |
| 08:18:18 | midkay | hmm.. i have heard of extended batteries.. |
| 08:18:24 | midkay | but can't remember anything about AAs.. |
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| 08:34:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: r u there? |
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| 08:42:20 | midkay | nite all |
| 08:45:01 | Bg3r | nite, midkay |
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| 09:33:47 | amiconn | Turned out that just lcd_update_rect() caused the graphic glitches on greyscale iPods. Now it's working like a charm :) |
| 09:34:50 | dwihno | \o/ |
| 09:34:53 | dwihno | Great! |
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| 09:36:44 | Moos | Good morning |
| 09:38:23 | petur | red build... |
| 09:39:21 | amiconn | gah |
| 09:39:30 | safetydan | no ipod mini 2g sim either... |
| 09:39:48 | amiconn | I didn't expect lcd_enable() to be used on any b&w or greysacle target |
| 09:39:54 | safetydan | The mini 2g looks the same as the 1g right? |
| 09:39:55 | amiconn | safetydan: Image missing... |
| 09:40:00 | amiconn | yes |
| 09:40:15 | amiconn | I'll scan my mini at the weekend |
| 09:40:28 | JdGordon | the ipods are taking over th eubild table!! kill em all! |
| 09:40:29 | safetydan | cool |
| 09:41:15 | Slasheri | hmm, i started to redesign the tag browser.. in future, there are no searches defined in the code, but as strings like: "Best songs" artist album song ? y >= 2000 & title !^ "crap" & genre = "good genre" |
| 09:41:25 | safetydan | from the simulator point of view there's no difference between the 1g and the 2g is there? |
| 09:41:43 | Bg3r | amiconn lcd_enable is used for backlight on/off on the minis |
| 09:41:57 | amiconn | No it's not |
| 09:42:02 | Bg3r | huh ? |
| 09:42:04 | amiconn | Just for the 3G it was |
| 09:42:10 | Bg3r | ah, k |
| 09:42:12 | Bg3r | sorry |
| 09:42:24 | Bg3r | imho it should be named differently on 3G ... |
| 09:42:52 | LinusN | ok, seems that Asteroids is still registered as a trademark, any ideas for an alternative name? |
| 09:43:05 | Bg3r | astrorocks ? |
| 09:43:41 | LinusN | omg, i'm so fed up with these "rock" and "box" puns |
| 09:43:57 | JdGordon | just roids? |
| 09:44:14 | Bg3r | LinusN i'm too, but in this case it has some meaning ... |
| 09:44:17 | JdGordon | then be thankful the poroject isnt named Hemm something |
| 09:44:21 | Moos | LinusN: Hi, while you are around on X5front, the volume values seems wrong, still sound at 0 :-) |
| 09:44:24 | LinusN | Bg3r: sure |
| 09:44:35 | LinusN | Moos: hahaha |
| 09:44:43 | Moos | :) |
| 09:45:04 | Bg3r | Moos and probably it's louder than @ 23 ? ;) |
| 09:45:06 | JdGordon | fine.. no1 laugh at my joke.. thats kewl... |
| 09:45:07 | LinusN | "rockstars" :-) |
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| 09:45:16 | Moos | the inverse I mean of course the lower value isn't good |
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| 09:45:22 | Moos | :-) |
| 09:45:58 | amiconn | Bg3r: I *removed* lcd_enable for the b&w iPods, and my backlight still works... |
| 09:46:42 | Bg3r | amiconn u mean the 3g ? |
| 09:47:19 | amiconn | For all b&w iPods |
| 09:47:32 | amiconn | The only one that used the backlight switch in lcd_enable was the 3g |
| 09:47:39 | amiconn | ..which doesn't make sense. |
| 09:47:50 | amiconn | b&w lcds are perfectly readable without backlight |
| 09:47:57 | Bg3r | yep |
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| 09:56:21 | austriancoder | what do you think about colored icons for folders, music-, picturefiles... |
| 09:58:15 | petur | would be better visible than what there is now |
| 09:59:52 | LinusN | austriancoder: colored icons are nice, and also icons that match the font size |
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| 10:04:29 | stamppot | A question: when enabling the tagcache and forcing a tagcache update, I see that it accesses the disk for a while but if I then look in artists, albums or songs nothing is recorded there |
| 10:04:50 | stamppot | I keep the tagcache on disk. |
| 10:04:55 | stamppot | Am I missing something? |
| 10:05:37 | Moos | stamppot: did you rebboted? |
| 10:05:46 | Moos | *rebooted |
| 10:05:47 | stamppot | Y up. |
| 10:06:09 | stamppot | I have dircache enabled as well. |
| 10:06:13 | Moos | did you have the commiting tagcache screen? |
| 10:06:49 | stamppot | didn't see it, due to backlight timeouts probably |
| 10:07:54 | Moos | when you reboot usually the Rockbox boot screen stay and you have one commiting tagcache message |
| 10:08:26 | stamppot | Moos: let me check... |
| 10:09:24 | stamppot | Moos: yup. I get the committing tagcache message... |
| 10:09:56 | Moos | let's it finish then |
| 10:10:04 | LinusN | i had the same problem until i set the setting to "in ram" |
| 10:10:08 | stamppot | Hmmm, never mind. It works all of a sudden,,, |
| 10:10:24 | austriancoder | LinusN: as plugins uses bmp's i could also use bmp |
| 10:10:35 | austriancoder | for icons |
| 10:10:40 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:10:46 | stamppot | LinusN: I keep it on disk (I didn't know what the memory consumption would be) |
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| 10:13:29 | stamppot | OK, lets assume I'm thick, but shouldn't it be possible to recursively insert all songs of an artist into a playlist? Just tried this using tagcache, and the only option the quickmenu gives me is 'open with' |
| 10:15:01 | Moos | stamppot: did you checked the Tagcache wiki page yet? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 10:16:50 | austriancoder | LinusN: Found nice icons under GLP.... now.... whats the best way to support different font sizes for icons? |
| 10:16:51 | stamppot | Moos: of course... :) |
| 10:17:16 | aliask | Is there any way to get the filesize of something in rockbox? |
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| 10:17:20 | stamppot | But this doesn't fall under the smart playlist functionality or something. |
| 10:17:42 | LinusN | austriancoder: i have no idea :-) |
| 10:18:03 | Moos | stamppot: Tagcache is new, let's it still evolute |
| 10:18:14 | LinusN | i guess you would have to check the font height and match the available icon sizes |
| 10:18:34 | austriancoder | LinusN: okay.. |
| 10:18:43 | austriancoder | check the icons: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=35357&file1=35357-1.png&file2=35357-2.png&file3=&name=Smooth+Icons |
| 10:18:49 | petur | If fileview set to all - wouldn't it be better to have tag broswing as a virtual folder? |
| 10:18:53 | austriancoder | are they okay for everybody? |
| 10:18:55 | stamppot | Also, does anyone have an idea what the memory consumption of keeping the tagcache in memory would be? Assume that I have 15GB of songs, roughly 2300 tracks |
| 10:19:24 | stamppot | I'd like to add that info to the wiki-page as well |
| 10:19:34 | LinusN | austriancoder: aren't they a little too detailed? |
| 10:19:40 | petur | austriancoder: much too complex imho |
| 10:19:46 | petur | heh |
| 10:20:47 | aliask | austriancoder: Yeah I agree, too detailed to make even 15x15 icons. |
| 10:20:53 | austriancoder | i will try many icons, will pick the best 3 an we will have a vote |
| 10:21:03 | aliask | Sounds like a good idea. |
| 10:21:21 | Moos | indeed |
| 10:21:41 | * | petur likes the folder/file icons of w2k |
| 10:21:47 | LinusN | or have some of those arty guys at misticriver draw a set |
| 10:22:14 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm around now. |
| 10:22:14 | Moos | nice idea :) |
| 10:22:23 | aliask | There were some nice ones that popped up in the mailing list, I'll find a link |
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| 10:23:10 | aliask | http://home.arcor.de/gabriel.meier/temp/rockboxsuggestions.html |
| 10:23:31 | austriancoder | who big are the current icons? |
| 10:23:56 | LinusN | 7x6 or something |
| 10:24:07 | LinusN | check the source |
| 10:24:32 | austriancoder | aliask: ah... that looks nice |
| 10:24:59 | aliask | I just did a guesstimate from the manual, they look about 7x7 |
| 10:25:21 | Mikachu | that looks nice because of the aa fonts :) |
| 10:26:34 | austriancoder | need to go to my bus... see you later |
| 10:28:13 | aliask | Anti-aliasing would be a nightmare wouldn't it. |
| 10:28:23 | Bg3r | bitmap_icons_6x8 are the one used in the browser ... |
| 10:28:25 | petur | his icons came from here: http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery |
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| 10:29:19 | Mikachu | i think a truetype renderer would sort of take too much resources, but maybe it would be possible to render pre-antialiased fonts |
| 10:29:41 | aliask | Mikachu: Using opacity? |
| 10:30:00 | Mikachu | yeah, i guess the problem is the alpha transparency |
| 10:30:02 | aliask | petur: Those look really nice. |
| 10:30:32 | Slasheri | stamppot: you can check the codec buffer size from the debug menu before and after loading the tagcache in ram |
| 10:30:48 | Slasheri | that should tell the excact memory consumption |
| 10:31:27 | petur | why does it display that committing tagcache message? |
| 10:32:00 | preglow | so you know what's happening? |
| 10:32:13 | Slasheri | petur: while that message is displayed, new files are being uniqued and sorted with the existing files in the database |
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| 10:33:08 | Slasheri | and index tables with seek locations are updated as well |
| 10:33:31 | petur | but why when I haven't changed anything? |
| 10:33:46 | Slasheri | then you shouldn't see that message |
| 10:33:57 | * | petur tries again |
| 10:35:17 | petur | sometimes it's flashes quickly, sometimes it's there for 5-10 seconds |
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| 10:36:09 | aliask | Is there any way to get the filesize of something in rockbox? |
| 10:36:17 | Slasheri | if rockbox was turned off cleanly, that message should only flash |
| 10:36:41 | petur | not always :( |
| 10:36:54 | petur | and how do I turn tagcache off? |
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| 10:37:15 | petur | because it slows down my boot time and I can't combine it with file view |
| 10:37:37 | Slasheri | petur: there is no really a way to turn it off. But if you choose to keep it on disk, then you shouldn't get that committing tagcache message unless you have forced a tagcache update manually |
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| 10:39:43 | petur | Slasheri: well... setting it to disk now only makes the message flash shortly |
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| 10:41:33 | petur | anyway, I got to stop playing with it to have some battery left for the ride home - and got work to do ;) |
| 10:42:34 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 10:43:12 | petur | paid work, not RB work :( |
| 10:44:56 | Slasheri | petur: if you load the cache in ram, make sure you don't shutdown rockbox before it has ran a few minutes |
| 10:45:24 | Slasheri | currently there is a bug that will remove the tagcache, because it thinks the commit file has became corrupt if rockbox is shutdown too early |
| 10:45:27 | amiconn_ | linuxstb_: The colour iPod lcd driver needs some work, imho. There's a lot of function calling and conditional execution going on |
| 10:45:38 | amiconn_ | Wasting cpu cycles... |
| 10:45:53 | petur | Slasheri: I didn't, I let it run until the disk went quiet |
| 10:46:12 | Slasheri | petur: after that, you should still wait at least a minute |
| 10:46:17 | amiconn_ | Now that I have some insight, I thing a unified rockbox build for mini 1g+2g isn't hard |
| 10:46:24 | petur | ah |
| 10:46:25 | amiconn_ | s/thing/think/ |
| 10:46:32 | Slasheri | because tagcache checks files against the dircache even when disk has spun down |
| 10:46:44 | petur | right |
| 10:47:10 | petur | how about that virtual folder idea? |
| 10:47:53 | Slasheri | it will be implemented somehow |
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| 10:48:19 | Slasheri | for example in tagcache "Browse files" or something like that |
| 10:48:42 | amiconn_ | Imho the virtual folder idea should be implemented the other way round |
| 10:48:44 | petur | would be nice to have both worlds ;) |
| 10:49:08 | amiconn_ | Have a virtual dir <database> in the root of the file browser |
| 10:49:22 | petur | I agree with amiconn |
| 10:49:48 | linuxstb | amiconn_: That's good news about a unified mini build. I'll have a look at the colour LCD driver - I haven't done anything to it since the initial port from IPL about 6 months ago. |
| 10:50:27 | amiconn_ | linuxstb: Runtime adaption to hardware differences (like lcd type for the colour iPods) should imho be done using function pointers rather than conditional execution |
| 10:50:38 | amiconn_ | At least for stuff that's called often... |
| 10:53:42 | linuxstb | But is it an issue to have one if statement in lcd_update() ? |
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| 10:57:02 | preglow | really shouldn't, no |
| 10:57:10 | preglow | as long as it's only called once, of course |
| 10:58:01 | linuxstb | That if statement shouldn't be there for the Nano though - only the Color/Photo. |
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| 11:01:29 | preglow | a branch in send_data is worse |
| 11:01:54 | preglow | yeah, i can see us using function pointers here |
| 11:02:28 | preglow | at some point we need to go through the code and resolve some numerical address to defines |
| 11:02:34 | preglow | a lot of them already have corresponding defines |
| 11:04:32 | linuxstb | I didn't notice that if statement in lcd_cmd_data(). That should obviously go. |
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| 11:13:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Perhaps not in lcd_update(). In lcd_blit() it will |
| 11:13:30 | preglow | pity we can't burst write in it |
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| 11:13:45 | preglow | lcd_blit??? |
| 11:13:54 | preglow | i thought that was scheduled for removal |
| 11:14:03 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 11:14:05 | preglow | grayscale |
| 11:14:49 | amiconn | A few days ago I realised that lcd_blit() might be useful for colour as well. Video codecs... |
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| 11:15:22 | amiconn | It's somewhere in the logs. |
| 11:15:28 | preglow | what does it do? |
| 11:16:03 | linuxstb | It bypasses lcd_framebuffer - so a video codec can decode to a local buffer and blit it to the lcd. |
| 11:16:24 | amiconn | B4gder: What about my idea of an extra 'basic score' per broken (i.e. red) target? |
| 11:20:17 | nudel | Posted by one of the Rio/Sigmatel developers: "One aspect of Plays-for-sure 2.0 which might appeal to denizens of this board, by the way, is that it mandates gapless playback. Some of Microsoft's marketing gimmicks can fairly be described as just gimmicks, but this time they do seem to be, however sledgehammerously, genuinely trying to drive up the quality of digital audio players." |
| 11:20:44 | nudel | Sweet. If Microsoft make gapless playback a standard feature I'll have Bill Gates's's's's's babies |
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| 11:21:18 | amiconn | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060329.txt starting around 01:30 |
| 11:23:20 | amiconn | nudel: pays-for-sure??? |
| 11:23:54 | nudel | it's microsoft's certification/logo thing for WMA music players that support a bunch of stuff like WMA10 and subscription DRM and, apparently, gapless |
| 11:24:07 | nudel | i.e lots of evil stuff, and gapless \o/ |
| 11:24:25 | nudel | well, according to that one post. don't know any more details, e.g. which formats have to play gaplessly |
| 11:25:26 | amiconn | I know what it is. Didn't you see the deliberate typo? |
| 11:27:38 | preglow | gapless playback is a standard feature |
| 11:27:39 | nudel | ohh lol, sorry, i'm hungover :) |
| 11:27:44 | preglow | with quality stuff, of course |
| 11:27:50 | preglow | no need to sell your soul to microsoft to have that |
| 11:27:54 | nudel | i.e. zero mp3 players except the karma and rockbox |
| 11:28:02 | preglow | pft, use rockbox |
| 11:28:09 | nudel | i am :) but more choice is always good |
| 11:28:45 | nudel | i think gapless should be considered a "lack of bug" rather than a feature |
| 11:29:36 | preglow | amiconn: not a bad idea |
| 11:29:50 | preglow | nudel: i think it should be considered the only sane thing |
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| 11:30:05 | preglow | not having gapless playback is plain broken |
| 11:30:07 | amiconn | Well, in regard to gapless, archos obviously managed to do a better job in 2000 than most dap manufacturers do today |
| 11:30:22 | preglow | well, that's a direct consequence of how the platform works |
| 11:30:34 | preglow | and it only works in the most special of cases |
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| 11:31:16 | preglow | if you need specially encoded music, then you don't have gapless playback, if you ask me |
| 11:31:40 | preglow | not proper gapless, at least |
| 11:32:02 | * | linuxstb agrees that inserting gaps between tracks is a bug |
| 11:32:10 | amiconn | Well, it's a lot more proper than what e.g. iriver does in th h series |
| 11:33:22 | amiconn | Archos doesn't deliberately insert gaps. The worst thing than can happen is a few milliseconds gap |
| 11:33:32 | amiconn | (one partial mp3 frame) |
| 11:33:40 | preglow | it's impossible for it to insert gaps |
| 11:33:45 | preglow | so no wonder |
| 11:34:07 | amiconn | Well, it could insert gaps |
| 11:34:22 | preglow | i wouldn't really say they did a better job, they just chose a design that makes it harder for them to insert gaps :) |
| 11:34:38 | amiconn | It seems the lack of gapless e.g. on iriver is because of the lame buffering system |
| 11:34:48 | preglow | doesn't matter how it's buffered |
| 11:34:58 | preglow | if both tracks are in mem, you still get a glitch |
| 11:35:07 | preglow | and a long one |
| 11:35:12 | amiconn | preglow: Stopping playback because the next track isn't buffered would insert a gap on any platform |
| 11:35:36 | preglow | sure |
| 11:35:46 | amiconn | Same happens if you feed non-stripped metadata to the decoder/dac |
| 11:36:13 | nudel | crossfading? i want a randomly generated DJ talking nonsense to me between tracks. |
| 11:36:44 | preglow | we'll work on integrating festival for that |
| 11:36:46 | linuxstb | and during tracks... |
| 11:36:53 | nudel | heh yeah, and averts |
| 11:37:18 | preglow | "elephant hovercraft sails forever bookshelf into the whatever, now for next track" |
| 11:37:21 | linuxstb | "Your music is sponsered by rockbox.org. Please donate...." |
| 11:37:25 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 11:37:38 | nudel | hhehe |
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| 11:38:15 | preglow | hell, with a large dictionare and some markov chain data trained to mimic some idiot dj, this could be really fun |
| 11:38:20 | preglow | dictionary, even |
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| 12:16:14 | * | webguest81 throws in a vote for Tango icons |
| 12:17:28 | webguest81 | http://tango-project.org/Tango_Desktop_Project |
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| 12:20:22 | preglow | they're bloody bigger than our screens |
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| 12:21:21 | austriancoder | sure... we need to modify them... lets see how good they look |
| 12:21:40 | aliask | Well 16x16 pixels isn't _too_ big |
| 12:21:53 | preglow | ooh, there are small ones too |
| 12:21:58 | preglow | this'd actually rock |
| 12:22:03 | aliask | Yeah, I quite like them |
| 12:22:27 | aliask | GPL too. |
| 12:22:33 | austriancoder | yep |
| 12:22:37 | webguest37 | there was a mockup on the mailinglist a while ago that used tango icons |
| 12:22:52 | webguest37 | (webguest81 here) |
| 12:23:42 | preglow | i like the fact that the smaller ones have been custom made |
| 12:23:45 | preglow | instead of just scaled down |
| 12:24:10 | webguest37 | http://home.arcor.de/gabriel.meier/temp/rockboxsuggestions.html |
| 12:24:36 | preglow | ahh, so that's you |
| 12:24:48 | nudel | nice icons |
| 12:25:06 | webguest37 | No, not me |
| 12:25:59 | * | Moos likes the icons too :) |
| 12:26:11 | * | austriancoder is workong to get icons into rockbox |
| 12:27:31 | preglow | right |
| 12:27:31 | Moos | Great |
| 12:27:33 | preglow | anywho |
| 12:27:36 | preglow | it would be great indeed |
| 12:27:55 | amiconn | The icons shouldn't be any bigger than the default font chars |
| 12:27:58 | preglow | but a gui like that will require a lot of planning |
| 12:28:47 | austriancoder | amiconn: LinusN told me this too |
| 12:28:58 | preglow | how high is the default font+ |
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| 12:29:05 | austriancoder | preglow: sure.. but i think we need such a gui |
| 12:29:06 | LinusN | we should have several sets of icons |
| 12:29:19 | Moos | preglow: did you check the RotAtoR news about musepack? |
| 12:29:22 | LinusN | in different sizes |
| 12:29:24 | preglow | austriancoder: need, no, but it would sure be nice |
| 12:29:30 | LinusN | and also loadable icons for themes |
| 12:29:33 | preglow | LinusN: not exactly trivial to achieve |
| 12:29:42 | preglow | you can't just resize icons at that size |
| 12:29:48 | preglow | every pixel counts |
| 12:29:49 | austriancoder | LinusN: a theming system would be cool |
| 12:30:26 | amiconn | austriancoder: Default font height is 8 pixels... for all targets currently. |
| 12:30:36 | amiconn | This won't change before the 3.0 release |
| 12:31:08 | austriancoder | amiconn: thanks for this info |
| 12:31:13 | preglow | even though it really should |
| 12:31:54 | preglow | but we can pretty much forget 8x8 icons unless we want to make them ourselves |
| 12:32:25 | amiconn | The current icons are 6x8 |
| 12:32:49 | webguest37 | isn't it even 7x7.. hrm, or 6x7? |
| 12:32:56 | preglow | has rasher's rockbox page vanishes? |
| 12:32:59 | preglow | vanisheD |
| 12:34:30 | amiconn | The file browser icons are 6x8. Some places use 7x8 icons, some others 5x8 |
| 12:34:43 | amiconn | (status bar) |
| 12:35:06 | amiconn | Of course, one line is reserved for spacing in the file browser |
| 12:36:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I can still get to it. rasher.dk/rockbox/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ right? |
| 12:37:20 | preglow | i could have sworn that exact url just didn't work right now... |
| 12:43:49 | Mikachu | wow i'm #3 for march |
| 12:44:57 | preglow | wow |
| 12:45:04 | preglow | i didn't think those were still updated |
| 12:45:05 | preglow | not bad |
| 12:45:30 | preglow | with my tendency to break sentences up in several lines i do feel somewhat like a cheat, though :> |
| 12:45:55 | Mikachu | he hasn't enabled the words/line column |
| 12:46:00 | webguest37 | Ah, but there's a wordcount as well |
| 12:46:14 | webguest37 | so you win anyway, heh |
| 12:46:31 | preglow | \o/ |
| 12:47:30 | preglow | haha, but amiconn spoke only a few thousand words less then me |
| 12:47:38 | preglow | yet he also spokes over thousand lines less |
| 12:47:38 | preglow | heh |
| 12:49:26 | Mikachu | i'm not seeing wordcount anywhere |
| 12:49:48 | Mikachu | oh in the big numbers part |
| 12:51:17 | safetydan | good to see that 'patch' is the 8th most popular word this month |
| 12:51:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Patch is an important word |
| 12:52:38 | safetydan | and according to the most referenced nicks this month, the Rockbox project is run by preglow and amiconn |
| 12:55:15 | * | webguest37 wonders about rockbox.org/fonts/ |
| 12:55:26 | webguest37 | aren't all these included? |
| 12:55:43 | LinusN | that's a very old page |
| 12:56:22 | webguest37 | ah, just found it on the Documentation page |
| 12:59:46 | webguest37 | Same thing with /lang/? |
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| 13:01:44 | preglow | hashah |
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| 13:03:13 | preglow | what can i say, i'm going for a regime change |
| 13:05:06 | tucoz | hehe, midnight2k3 must have been pretty busy around here. 4th place overall and 468 days since that nick was last seen here. |
| 13:05:55 | preglow | yeah, he was quite a chatterbox |
| 13:06:21 | preglow | i remember seeing him later than that, though |
| 13:06:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's "midkay" now, right? |
| 13:06:27 | tucoz | I think so |
| 13:06:46 | preglow | tis? |
| 13:06:46 | tucoz | Is grayscale working on the ipods now? |
| 13:06:53 | tucoz | aye |
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| 13:11:05 | tucoz | I tried to use both hevea and latex2html on the docs yesterday with no luck. |
| 13:11:31 | tucoz | But, it's possibly because I didn't try hard enough :-) |
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| 13:19:29 | * | LinusN is playing astrorocks on x5 |
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| 13:19:44 | Moos | wee ! :) |
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| 13:20:29 | petur | I thought you had something against the *rocks name? :D |
| 13:20:51 | preglow | god, not another name with 'rock' in it :/ |
| 13:21:02 | Mikachu | better than boxeroids |
| 13:21:07 | preglow | hell no |
| 13:21:07 | preglow | haha |
| 13:21:09 | petur | lol |
| 13:21:11 | preglow | that's an excellent name |
| 13:21:23 | LinusN | "rockstars" |
| 13:21:24 | preglow | best 'box' name i've seen, as a matter of fact |
| 13:21:24 | preglow | haha |
| 13:21:28 | preglow | LinusN: hahah, also good |
| 13:25:42 | dwihno | anyone have experience with replacing batteries on ipods? |
| 13:25:46 | preglow | boxeroids does have a nice sound to it, though |
| 13:25:51 | dwihno | or have any insight on how hard it is to change it |
| 13:26:14 | Mikachu | dwihno: on a scale from 1-5 i think it's about 6 |
| 13:26:26 | preglow | it also sounds like a nasty ass rash, which is a bonus |
| 13:26:35 | petur | dwihno: there must be lots of sites that show how-to's I think |
| 13:26:46 | preglow | dwihno: what model? |
| 13:27:21 | LinusN | how about "spacerocks"? |
| 13:27:32 | LinusN | kind of a synonym to asteroid |
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| 13:28:13 | Moos | I like it ! |
| 13:28:14 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:28:16 | preglow | yeah |
| 13:28:40 | webguest37 | why not just asteroids :-/ |
| 13:28:49 | aliask | Yes, exactly. |
| 13:28:53 | Bg3r | webguest37 because it's a trademark |
| 13:28:56 | LinusN | it's a registered trademark, owned by Atari |
| 13:28:57 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: I failed for the button environment. Something is a bit complicated there. But I got it working using a command macro. |
| 13:28:58 | Moos | trademark? |
| 13:28:59 | dwihno | preglow: g5 (video)... I am about to get one... but I need to straighten the battery isue out first. |
| 13:29:21 | aliask | Can we call it "astroroids" |
| 13:29:43 | tucoz | bluebrother^, ok. Well, anything is better than the current setup |
| 13:29:45 | LinusN | http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=itvtl0.2.25 |
| 13:30:14 | webguest37 | This trademarking of real words in their regular meaning needs to stop |
| 13:30:17 | Moos | LinusN: "spacerocks" sounds more Rockbox spirit imho :) |
| 13:30:18 | bluebrother^ | :) |
| 13:30:30 | LinusN | webguest37: amen |
| 13:30:33 | bluebrother^ | It's similar to the screenshot command. |
| 13:30:36 | webguest37 | I mean "Apple" is fine, because Apple has nothing to do with actual apples |
| 13:30:59 | webguest37 | But a game about asteroids being called asteroids.. well that's just not trademark-worthy |
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| 13:31:37 | preglow | dwihno: the battery _might_ be soldered to the board |
| 13:31:41 | preglow | dwihno: i know it is in the nano |
| 13:32:07 | tucoz | sounds good |
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| 13:32:32 | tucoz | I wonder if there are other standard features we should write macros for |
| 13:32:50 | tucoz | hmm, \note{} thing |
| 13:33:37 | tucoz | bluebrother^, did you get a mail? |
| 13:33:38 | LinusN | so, which is it gonna be? "spacerocks"? |
| 13:33:45 | preglow | yea |
| 13:34:03 | * | Moos votes for it too |
| 13:34:37 | dwihno | preglow: that's pretty nasty ... :( ... I'll google and se what I'll find out |
| 13:34:45 | tucoz | why not rockspaceboxes to please preglow ;-) |
| 13:34:58 | Moos | :-) |
| 13:35:01 | preglow | hahah |
| 13:35:02 | LinusN | boxrocks |
| 13:35:09 | tucoz | even better, hehe |
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| 13:36:52 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: I just commited a patch for a \note macro ;-) |
| 13:37:07 | bluebrother^ | now only the table stuff is still in my pipe. |
| 13:37:09 | tucoz | bluebrother^, cool. Me is happy |
| 13:37:42 | bluebrother^ | just checked my mailbox. Mail reached me :) |
| 13:37:49 | tucoz | good |
| 13:38:32 | tucoz | I am quite certain the first version of the latex proposal had that url-style. Well, good you changed it |
| 13:39:03 | bluebrother^ | the url \usepackage was already in it. I changes the \urlstyle and removed the comment marks. |
| 13:39:30 | tucoz | yes, I wonder why it was quoted out. |
| 13:40:51 | tucoz | do you want to commit your fs-patches yourself? |
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| 13:45:02 | bluebrother^ | I haven't replied to that mail yet. |
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| 13:45:13 | tucoz | oh, sorry |
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| 13:45:23 | bluebrother^ | so if you want to have it in quick do it yourself ;-) |
| 13:45:31 | austriancoder | LinusN: rtc on x5 - really cool |
| 13:45:59 | tucoz | bluebrother^, I just read that you commited a note macro, missed the 'patch' there :-) |
| 13:46:00 | bluebrother^ | and I want to finish the tables stuff first. |
| 13:46:19 | bluebrother^ | but after that ... |
| 13:46:57 | tucoz | no hurry. I might have a go at 80-col the first and second chapter |
| 13:47:11 | bluebrother^ | anyone here using xchat? I'm searching for the sound event that gets triggered when I'm highlighted. |
| 13:48:02 | tucoz | Settings->Preferences->Chatting->Sound? |
| 13:48:13 | tucoz | oh, which sound event it is |
| 13:49:48 | bluebrother^ | exactly that is my problem. |
| 13:50:07 | bluebrother^ | but without sound I'm missing more and more events ... |
| 13:50:24 | bluebrother^ | (in other words: I need more monitors!) |
| 13:51:24 | tucoz | I understand |
| 13:51:29 | tucoz | Maybe it's notice? |
| 13:52:22 | bluebrother^ | seems not −− I already defined a sound for that event. |
| 13:52:37 | petur | not many clients support a soundevent when your nick is shown - if you're on windows you could try nettalk |
| 13:52:44 | bluebrother^ | I assume I don't need to restart xchat for the settings to take effect. |
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| 13:55:00 | preglow | man, i totally dig that the manual is actually getting patches |
| 13:55:08 | preglow | obviously a lot of latex people out there |
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| 13:55:49 | dwihno | Damn, I just can't seem to find ipod g5 batteries... still, there SHOULD be ones available. |
| 13:56:04 | tucoz | It's cool that having the manual in cvs actually works as we wanted it. |
| 13:56:15 | preglow | tucoz: exactly |
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| 13:58:40 | tucoz | bluebrother^, you forgot to attach the patch to the \note{} macro patch. But, no hurry. I go and do some stuff on my own now. |
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| 14:00:07 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: fixed. I had the window still open ;) |
| 14:01:00 | tucoz | cool. I am about to code-police some parts of the manual. Starting with the first chapter |
| 14:01:14 | bluebrother^ | nice :) |
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| 14:10:34 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: while code policing, I was thinking about naming conventions for labels as well. |
| 14:10:46 | tucoz | ah, that is true |
| 14:11:04 | bluebrother^ | I'd suggest using the section name. If necessary prepend the section one level higher. |
| 14:11:19 | bluebrother^ | and I'd also prefer having labels written lowercase. |
| 14:11:23 | tucoz | the section name is good. |
| 14:11:24 | tucoz | me too |
| 14:11:39 | preglow | oh yes |
| 14:11:40 | bluebrother^ | so the xobox plugin would be named sec:xobox |
| 14:11:42 | tucoz | with underscore as a separater? |
| 14:11:48 | tucoz | separator? |
| 14:11:53 | bluebrother^ | maybe, or using camelCase. |
| 14:12:02 | preglow | underscore, please |
| 14:12:03 | preglow | :) |
| 14:12:09 | preglow | sec:plugin_xobox |
| 14:12:19 | bluebrother^ | i.e. to mark xobox as a plugin: sec:pluginXobox or sec:plugin_xobox. |
| 14:12:28 | tucoz | second one is better I think |
| 14:12:34 | preglow | me too |
| 14:12:34 | bluebrother^ | ok, I'll add this to the Guidelines. |
| 14:12:37 | tucoz | good |
| 14:13:00 | tucoz | only sections gets a label? or subsections as well? |
| 14:13:07 | preglow | whatever needs one |
| 14:13:18 | preglow | there's really no need to assign a label to everything |
| 14:13:42 | tucoz | no, that is not wanted. It's kind of hard to tell what needs a label, and what does not. |
| 14:13:50 | LinusN | could someone with ipod knowledge fix the red build for ipod 3g? |
| 14:13:58 | preglow | i usually add one whenever i need one |
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| 14:14:44 | preglow | no time for testing now |
| 14:14:48 | preglow | perhaps later |
| 14:14:49 | tucoz | me too, but I've never worked on a collaboration latex-document before |
| 14:15:12 | preglow | well, i doubt we'll ever need referance even 10% of the sections we do |
| 14:15:26 | preglow | and subsections, perhaps sometimes, but very, very rarely |
| 14:15:40 | tucoz | you are probably right. |
| 14:15:44 | preglow | lots of things might need references |
| 14:15:47 | preglow | you can't go labling everything |
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| 14:16:01 | tucoz | I won't, I promise :) |
| 14:16:04 | preglow | hehe |
| 14:16:22 | preglow | no, i dunno, this is just the way i work, but i've never done a (big) collab latex doc either |
| 14:16:29 | preglow | usually just worked with one other fella |
| 14:16:36 | tucoz | hmm, we should also have a fixme macro |
| 14:16:39 | markun | preglow: how's the new crossfeed? |
| 14:16:40 | preglow | indeed |
| 14:16:43 | preglow | one that lights up red |
| 14:16:47 | preglow | markun: it's nice |
| 14:16:53 | preglow | markun: i can try to hack you up a patch before i leave |
| 14:16:54 | tucoz | yes, I'll go make one |
| 14:16:54 | markun | Almost ready for commit |
| 14:17:05 | preglow | markun: almost, i just need to polish some settings and add an asm version |
| 14:17:14 | preglow | and i'll be gone this weekend |
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| 14:18:51 | skwad | hi |
| 14:18:57 | markun | you can hack up the patch if you want, but I can wait till next week |
| 14:19:54 | skwad | Can i make precompiled simulator for the iaudiophile forum so they can develop some wps ? |
| 14:20:17 | preglow | markun: looks like that'll be the way of things, then, i wont have time to take out the relevant pieces now |
| 14:20:23 | markun | skwad: sure, why not? |
| 14:20:34 | skwad | just wanted to know if it was allowed |
| 14:21:19 | webguest37 | You'll technically be obligated to provide source, but if you don't modify anything, pointing to rockbox.org seems to be acceptable |
| 14:21:42 | webguest37 | Wow, that Tango set has a lot of icons |
| 14:22:45 | webguest37 | Hm, looks like thinkgeek sent out their April 1st mail today |
| 14:22:56 | webguest37 | Unless this is a real product: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/izilla.shtml?cpg=28T |
| 14:23:34 | petur | hahahaha |
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| 14:24:07 | petur | 'vinyl inserted' |
| 14:24:20 | webguest37 | Or this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/usbtanner.shtml?cpg=28T :) |
| 14:24:51 | preglow | markun: only thing i don't like much about it is the fact that it's got four parameters, and most of them are pretty subtle |
| 14:25:11 | preglow | but they're also pretty much necessary for fine tuning for those of us who cares about that |
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| 14:25:32 | markun | preglow: do you need different settings for different songs? |
| 14:25:50 | markun | or could we choose some nice values for some of them? |
| 14:26:15 | tucoz | bluebrother^, are you editing the LatexGuidelines page? If not, do you think you could remove the edit lock? |
| 14:26:58 | bluebrother^ | I just finished editing it. |
| 14:27:13 | tucoz | ah |
| 14:27:15 | preglow | markun: the settings should be universal |
| 14:27:21 | markun | I remember from my tests that much more or less than 13 samples delay didn't make sense |
| 14:27:24 | preglow | markun: differing from head to head |
| 14:27:52 | bluebrother^ | cool, I found the event for xchat. "Channel Msg Highlight". Why haven't I seen this before? |
| 14:28:00 | preglow | markun: the parameters you can change are: direct sound gain, cross sound gain, cross sound high frequency gain, cross sound cutoff freq |
| 14:28:09 | preglow | markun: the delay time is not yet adjustable, but that might happen |
| 14:28:22 | preglow | markun: since the delay changes depending on how thick your head is, heh |
| 14:28:28 | markun | :) |
| 14:28:58 | amiconn | LinusN: Going for highscore takes a bit more... ;) |
| 14:29:13 | tucoz | there is still an edit lock on the page |
| 14:29:19 | amiconn | Someone obviously forgot to check button assignments... |
| 14:29:25 | preglow | that highscore is mine for ever |
| 14:31:10 | linuxstb | LinusN: spacerocks fixed for the 3G. |
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| 14:35:43 | * | linuxstb should have compiled it first.... |
| 14:37:29 | linuxstb | Anyone understand the purpose of the second CONFIG_KEYPAD check in spacerocks (starting at line 103) ? i.e. why is that a keypad feature? |
| 14:38:15 | LinusN | beats me |
| 14:38:27 | amiconn | spacerocks for 3G is still red. Ondio buttons are also missing... |
| 14:38:45 | linuxstb | Yes, I know. I'm puzzling over the code around line 103... |
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| 14:40:19 | LinusN | linuxstb: seems to be related to the screen size to me |
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| 14:44:58 | linuxstb | Hmm... Maybe I'll just add the 3G keypad and leave it as it is. I can't test my commits now anyway. |
| 14:48:06 | * | bluebrother^ grabs a coffee ... |
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| 15:07:28 | LinusN | poof |
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| 15:10:32 | amiconn | b00574 |
| 15:10:37 | elinenbe | what is the X5V? |
| 15:10:50 | webguest37 | X5 without fm |
| 15:10:52 | webguest37 | afaik |
| 15:11:11 | webguest37 | How that translates into a V is anyone's guess |
| 15:11:16 | tucoz | bluebrother^, what do you think we should use to highlight the bold part in a item list? |
| 15:11:26 | tucoz | emph? |
| 15:11:59 | bluebrother^ | hmm. You mean emphasized parts? |
| 15:12:27 | tucoz | well, not really. like \item {The Scale} Between the indicators of .... |
| 15:12:35 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok. |
| 15:12:49 | bluebrother^ | \item[The Scale] Between ... |
| 15:12:59 | tucoz | Ok, what will happen then? |
| 15:13:04 | tucoz | latex-magic? |
| 15:13:16 | bluebrother^ | iirc this was using the description environment. |
| 15:13:32 | tucoz | Ok, will probably work |
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| 15:14:14 | bluebrother^ | yup. \begin{description}\item[Term] Description for it |
| 15:14:40 | tucoz | hmm, so I should use description instead of itemize? |
| 15:15:52 | bluebrother^ | exactly. |
| 15:16:00 | tucoz | I'll see how that looks |
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| 15:22:20 | * | LinusN loves the Luke_Skyrocker WPS/theme |
| 15:23:20 | webguest37 | Where's that? |
| 15:23:27 | LinusN | misticriver |
| 15:23:58 | amiconn | Oh, LinusN turned to the dark side ;( |
| 15:23:59 | tucoz | hmm, I am not sure what we should use as a standard. With the itemize environment, we get bullets. But, then we need to highlight the 'entry' ourselves. |
| 15:24:04 | LinusN | amiconn: :-) |
| 15:24:09 | amiconn | Graphical gimmicks... |
| 15:24:15 | webguest37 | haha |
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| 15:24:29 | webguest37 | I love the idea with the stars |
| 15:24:39 | LinusN | i love the trench |
| 15:25:04 | pore_69 | aha |
| 15:25:06 | webguest37 | ah, that's what I meant |
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| 15:27:52 | bluebrother^ | I'm just looking if we can modify the description environment to use bullets as well |
| 15:28:28 | bluebrother^ | but as the lists _are_ descriptions I think we should prefer the description environment. |
| 15:28:39 | tucoz | nice if you get that working. I'll commit your notes patch now. |
| 15:28:52 | bluebrother^ | except where the lists aren't descriptions of course. |
| 15:28:56 | tucoz | :) |
| 15:29:00 | bluebrother^ | I'm still trying. |
| 15:29:18 | bluebrother^ | found some nice information on the net too. |
| 15:30:20 | tucoz | I am a bit undecided on what looks best, bullets with a bold description. Or just a bold description |
| 15:32:29 | Lynx_ | does anyone else think the wiki needs a better table of contents? |
| 15:33:04 | webguest37 | Does it have one? :) |
| 15:33:40 | Lynx_ | well, i'm talking about the main wiki page |
| 15:34:12 | Lynx_ | I often find myself searching for a page that i have seen before, but can't remember how to get to via links |
| 15:36:55 | linuxstb | We need a wiki about the wiki... |
| 15:37:06 | LinusN | Lynx_: most "important" pages are linked from the "Documentation" page |
| 15:37:21 | Lynx_ | LinusN: yes, the index there is nice |
| 15:37:25 | LinusN | that is the official toc |
| 15:37:30 | Lynx_ | ok |
| 15:37:37 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch |
| 15:37:55 | Lynx_ | Mikachu: that's cheating ;) |
| 15:38:29 | * | amiconn often uses WebIndex, and still doesn't understand why Zagor removed the direct links to it |
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| 15:41:28 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: after googling around a bit: the easiest way seems tu define a new list format. Works quite well for me. |
| 15:41:53 | bluebrother^ | now I have a description-environment with bullets but I'm not sure if I like it. |
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| 15:42:10 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 15:43:25 | tucoz | Ok, that we could decide. Maybe I just use the description env for now. That is, for list of the kind in chapter 2->playlist submenu |
| 15:43:36 | tucoz | ..decide later on.. |
| 15:43:47 | tucoz | man, I suck at writing |
| 15:44:19 | tucoz | Just to get rid of the textbf at least |
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| 15:45:08 | bluebrother^ | hehe. |
| 15:45:23 | tucoz | or what do you think? |
| 15:45:28 | bluebrother^ | with search and replace this wouln't be a big deal. |
| 15:45:42 | bluebrother^ | so I'd say stick with the description for now. |
| 15:45:47 | tucoz | ok |
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| 15:48:02 | tucoz | I like the note macro. |
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| 15:51:11 | bluebrother^ | great :) |
| 15:51:27 | bluebrother^ | I'd like to expand your fixme macro to show a margin icon as well. |
| 15:51:50 | webguest37 | Haha, an lcar theme/wps |
| 15:52:54 | tucoz | bluebrother^, do that |
| 15:54:53 | tucoz | I think I commit my changes to the rockbox_interface chapter. The description env looks a little weird, but the file is easier to work with at least. |
| 15:55:01 | Mikachu | webguest37: i wonder if you can get the woman from startrek to record the voice interface too |
| 15:55:40 | webguest37 | Now that'd be something |
| 15:57:29 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 15:57:36 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 15:57:54 | Lynx_ | how difficult is it to compile the simulator under windows? do i have to install sdl under cygwin? |
| 15:58:19 | Mikachu | you can use a precompiled sdl, but you need the headers too |
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| 16:04:52 | B4gder | Linus' cygwin package should be fine for that I think |
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| 16:08:50 | Lynx_ | i'm just installing that |
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| 16:14:57 | Lynx_ | hmm, configure still tells me about a missing sdl-config |
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| 16:15:49 | B4gder | could be a PATH issue perhaps |
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| 16:16:49 | Lynx_ | where would i search for the sdl-config file? |
| 16:17:44 | B4gder | /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin I'd guess |
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| 16:18:29 | Mikachu | added fancy colors to spacerocks, is it HAVE_LCD_COLOR i want to check for? |
| 16:19:34 | B4gder | yes |
| 16:23:07 | amiconn | LCD flip is tricky for the mini :( |
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| 16:23:27 | amiconn | The problem is that the mini LCD with is not a whole number of bytes |
| 16:23:36 | amiconn | Flipping that means bitshifting... |
| 16:24:11 | amiconn | The LCD controller can do that (rotation+masking), but that means writing all lines twice |
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| 16:24:40 | amiconn | No such problem for 1G..4G |
| 16:26:11 | B4gder | somehow I don't feel very disturbed by not being able to support lcd flip on the mini-) |
| 16:26:19 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-spacerocks_color.patch |
| 16:26:46 | webguest37 | What is the way to get extra output from "make"? |
| 16:26:52 | Mikachu | V=1 |
| 16:27:01 | Mikachu | does that patch look good? |
| 16:27:08 | webguest37 | thanks |
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| 16:28:37 | amiconn | I think the CPU should do that, especially since on arm shifting comes almost for free... |
| 16:29:01 | B4gder | Mikachu: with no testing done or anything it looks fine to me |
| 16:29:09 | Mikachu | how do you use an ipod upside down without covering the display with your hand? |
| 16:29:25 | Mikachu | B4gder: i tried compiling+running that with both ifdef and ifndef on my nano |
| 16:30:03 | Mikachu | (and it worked fine :) |
| 16:30:15 | linuxstb | How about setting a backdrop image? |
| 16:30:27 | amiconn | Mikachu: The main use of upside down is when your box is lying on a table and you're using earphones. Using it upside down means less strees to the cable, and also slightly more usable cable length |
| 16:30:51 | Mikachu | amiconn: ah, they have the phone plug on the top? |
| 16:30:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:31:03 | Mikachu | okay, makes less sense for the nano then |
| 16:31:07 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I think only the Nano doesn't. |
| 16:31:10 | amiconn | Most of our targets have |
| 16:31:13 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i guess that would be plausible |
| 16:31:26 | * | webguest37 despairs at the enourmous LD rockboxui command |
| 16:31:31 | amiconn | Only exceptions are (afaik) fm/v2 recorder (side) and nano (bottom) |
| 16:31:51 | B4gder | the x5 has it on the side |
| 16:32:12 | B4gder | very near the top |
| 16:32:18 | amiconn | Okay, then add X5 to the exception list |
| 16:32:41 | * | amiconn thinks that having the earphone socket on the side is a silly design |
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| 16:34:34 | Mikachu | sounds hard to keep in pocket |
| 16:34:49 | amiconn | yeps |
| 16:35:10 | B4gder | in the x5 case it really isn't any real nuisance |
| 16:36:28 | B4gder | but still an odd design idea |
| 16:36:47 | B4gder | the fm/v2 has it in the middle of the side, don't they? |
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| 16:37:21 | amiconn | Don't know, since I don't own one |
| 16:37:36 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks1.png http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks2.png |
| 16:37:44 | B4gder | me neither, trying to remember how Linus' one looks |
| 16:38:21 | B4gder | Mikachu: committed! |
| 16:38:25 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 16:38:45 | * | Mikachu hopes for no points |
| 16:38:56 | B4gder | we need to keep the build servers going |
| 16:38:58 | B4gder | :-) |
| 16:40:40 | B4gder | now here's fine quote from the iaudio forum: |
| 16:40:45 | B4gder | "Will be RockBox operate as multiboat?" |
| 16:40:51 | Mikachu | hahaha |
| 16:40:52 | webguest37 | Has anyone looked into crosscompiling w32 sims? |
| 16:41:04 | webguest37 | that is, sdl-w32 |
| 16:41:06 | Mikachu | it should be possible with some mingw32 hackery |
| 16:41:14 | webguest37 | Yeah, I'm looking into it |
| 16:41:23 | webguest37 | Compiling SDL was no problem |
| 16:41:40 | webguest37 | I'm now trying to hack up the rockbox Makefile to do what I want |
| 16:41:58 | B4gder | you may need to patch the configure somewhat |
| 16:42:04 | webguest37 | Replaced all native tools with the ming32 versions |
| 16:42:11 | webguest37 | Well, currently I'm just manually editing the makefile |
| 16:42:14 | B4gder | we built the previous native win32 sim on linux |
| 16:42:23 | B4gder | and there are traces of that left |
| 16:42:29 | amiconn | B4gder: katamaranbox? |
| 16:42:30 | B4gder | you can probably take advantage of them |
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| 16:42:40 | webguest37 | I'll have a look |
| 16:42:55 | B4gder | rockbox - your first dual boat firmware! ;-) |
| 16:43:02 | webguest37 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.5/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmingw32.a(main.o): undefined reference to `_WinMain@16' |
| 16:43:09 | webguest37 | is what I'm getting now |
| 16:43:17 | webguest37 | When it's linking |
| 16:44:06 | * | webguest37 checks out configurescript |
| 16:44:50 | B4gder | the iaudiophile forum turned into a rockbox fest |
| 16:45:03 | B4gder | (x5 people) |
| 16:45:48 | B4gder | table still green |
| 16:46:03 | Mikachu | phew |
| 16:46:43 | Mikachu | shouldn't viewcvs diffs be in fixed width fonts? |
| 16:46:51 | Mikachu | code in varwidth looks really strange |
| 16:47:24 | Lynx_ | make tells me "not rule to make target 'zip'. Stop.". How do I fix that? |
| 16:49:17 | skwad | yeah B4gder but it isn't well organised I find |
| 16:49:44 | B4gder | what isn't? |
| 16:49:48 | B4gder | ah, the forum? |
| 16:49:50 | skwad | the iaudiophile forum |
| 16:49:51 | skwad | yep |
| 16:49:57 | B4gder | ah, not it seems more like chaos to me |
| 16:50:14 | * | skwad thinking the same |
| 16:50:27 | skwad | what means white text in the wiki ? |
| 16:50:59 | linuxstb | I noticed the iaudiophile.net front page news item doesn't mention that Rockbox also works on ipods - only Archos and iriver... |
| 16:52:04 | Mikachu | heh, "the modified firmware" |
| 16:52:22 | skwad | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5 |
| 16:52:27 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 16:52:32 | skwad | why is Hipod written in white ? |
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| 16:52:51 | B4gder | because it is a wiki-style text but there's no such wiki page |
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| 16:53:21 | B4gder | you can prevent that somehow I forget how |
| 16:53:22 | bobTHC | hi |
| 16:53:28 | skwad | ok |
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| 16:54:29 | B4gder | ipod mini 2g daily builds added |
| 16:54:31 | linuxstb | I think you need to put an ! before it - !HiPod |
| 16:55:00 | amiconn | linuxstb, skwad: <nop>HiPod |
| 16:55:06 | skwad | ok thx |
| 16:55:36 | skwad | worked nice |
| 16:55:37 | linuxstb | An ! also works... |
| 16:55:51 | amiconn | There's a nice link at the bottom of the edit window opening a popup window describing all formatting options |
| 16:56:24 | bobTHC | re |
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| 17:00:11 | webguest37 | Strange that the iaudiophile frontpage link to the forum goes straight to a post saying "Flac run's the best" |
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| 17:03:22 | bobTHC | hi |
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| 17:11:58 | webguest37 | hrrr.. it's like I'm not linking with mingw32, except I am |
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| 17:14:17 | goffa | so... what's Mikachu's color patch? |
| 17:14:33 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks1.png http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks2.png |
| 17:14:48 | goffa | leaving town in an hour... wondering if its worth flashing my iaudio :) |
| 17:14:59 | Mikachu | it's just for spacerocks as you can see |
| 17:15:38 | goffa | looks cool though |
| 17:15:52 | goffa | i think i'll leave the player alone though |
| 17:15:57 | amiconn | Teh asteroids aren't filled?? |
| 17:16:09 | Mikachu | that's not my fault, they were only polygons before too |
| 17:16:13 | webguest37 | Should they be? |
| 17:16:24 | goffa | i don't remember them being filled |
| 17:16:24 | amiconn | Would look way better, imho |
| 17:17:03 | webguest37 | But it'd be wrong |
| 17:17:07 | goffa | today will be a true test of battery life... |
| 17:17:29 | Mikachu | i think some clones use filled and some use unfilled |
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| 17:19:20 | goffa | well looks like i've got spacerocks |
| 17:19:25 | goffa | guess that's what counts for now ;) |
| 17:19:49 | Mikachu | i need to add piezo sound effects too :) |
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| 17:21:10 | amiconn | Opportunity to show off with an efficient polygon fill ;) |
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| 17:27:10 | goffa | so.. is there a place to adjust the clock on the x5? |
| 17:27:15 | goffa | i guess i shouldn't mess with it |
| 17:27:21 | goffa | because tomorrow it will change anyway |
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| 17:29:28 | webguest37 | woo! |
| 17:29:32 | webguest37 | Exciting, I have a rockboxui.exe |
| 17:29:43 | Mikachu | does it work too? |
| 17:29:47 | linuxstb | Mikachu: You now need to merge spacerocks and starfield... |
| 17:29:52 | webguest37 | We'll see about that |
| 17:30:29 | Mikachu | i can't touch starfield, preglow promised to kill me |
| 17:30:49 | linuxstb | Quite right too... |
| 17:31:18 | Mikachu | it would be fun if you could rotate in starfield though, so the stars scrolled by sideways etc |
| 17:31:49 | Mikachu | but i think that would constitute touching |
| 17:32:10 | goffa | call it something else? |
| 17:32:21 | goffa | :) |
| 17:32:30 | webguest37 | It actually runs. Hurray |
| 17:32:30 | goffa | staroids or something |
| 17:34:42 | Mikachu | goffa: the point is i don't want to write any actual code |
| 17:35:04 | goffa | ok |
| 17:35:33 | goffa | i just thought you were trying to avoid death by preglow |
| 17:35:34 | Nico_P | anyone to help me with the playback engine ? |
| 17:35:35 | goffa | he he he |
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| 17:36:01 | webguest37 | "The application or DLL <blabla>_temp_codec.dll is not a valid Windows image. Please check this against your installation diskette." |
| 17:36:09 | webguest37 | Diskette? Diskette?!? |
| 17:36:16 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 17:36:29 | Mikachu | "please insert the floppy disc windows 98 cd-rom in drive d:" |
| 17:36:29 | webguest37 | Minor problem though, the sim actually runs |
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| 17:38:22 | webguest37 | Well that's strange.. "file" seems to think that it is indeed a w32 DLL |
| 17:41:19 | safetydan | man... maybe I should have just called it pregain instead of precut in the equalizer... though then there'd be questions like "why can't in increase the pregain above 0 dB"... |
| 17:41:37 | webguest37 | (my problem with _WinMain was that I had to link against SDLmain as well as SDL) |
| 17:42:26 | Febs | Are people really asking that? |
| 17:43:14 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I would like to have a look at the album art patch and see if I can fix the playback problems - but I can't do it now. Is your latest patch available anywhere? |
| 17:43:21 | Febs | "Precut" seems like a self-explanatory term. |
| 17:43:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: :D i'll send you my latest version |
| 17:44:28 | Nico_P | i've sent you a DCC request... |
| 17:46:55 | safetydan | Febs, saw a question about it on the iaudiophile forum |
| 17:48:32 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it's on the patch tracker now |
| 17:49:45 | Nico_P | i haven't yet moved the data out of mp3entry... i wanted to concentrate on fixing playback |
| 17:49:56 | linuxstb | Nico_P: OK, thanks. I'll let you know if I make any progress. |
| 17:50:02 | Slasheri | hmm, what is the problem with that patch? |
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| 17:51:32 | Nico_P | Slasheri: it stores the album art in the file buffer. But at least part of the bitmap data is read by the codecs, and that causes failures for some codecs and/or breaks gapless playback |
| 17:52:05 | Nico_P | MP3s play but there is a slight 'hiccup' between tracks |
| 17:52:11 | Slasheri | ah |
| 17:52:21 | Slasheri | i should do the metadata buffering to the playback engine.. |
| 17:52:31 | Slasheri | maybe i have time to do that before the feature freeze :) |
| 17:52:38 | Nico_P | oggs fail if following MP3s, but work fine (gapless too) when started from the browser |
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| 17:53:28 | Nico_P | Slasheri: that would be really cool but isn't it a bit too big of a task to start before the feature freeze ? |
| 17:53:58 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe. In fact, that shouldn't be a big task |
| 17:54:21 | Slasheri | just convert the codec buffer to metadata buffer to store the codecs and other data |
| 17:54:58 | webguest37 | Weird, shouldn't _temp_codec.dll and .rockbox/codecs/mpa.codec be identical if you play an mp3? |
| 17:55:13 | webguest37 | or is it altered before being loaded? |
| 17:55:22 | Slasheri | Hmm, i will check |
| 17:55:27 | webguest37 | I guess I *could* check the source, but that'd involve work |
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| 17:56:24 | webguest37 | Ah, hrm, it is altered |
| 17:57:14 | Slasheri | how? |
| 17:57:37 | webguest37 | or not.. wah |
| 17:57:41 | Slasheri | it should be identical |
| 17:57:44 | webguest37 | at least it has been, in this case |
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| 18:00:29 | webguest37 | Interesting, there's ifdef WIN32 blocks in the function responsible for the codecload |
| 18:01:10 | webguest37 | hrm, no, I probably don't want that |
| 18:01:26 | webguest37 | eh, I do |
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| 18:05:00 | linuxstb | Interesting post about ipod 5G battery life: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3259.0 |
| 18:05:01 | amiconn | Mikachu: starrocks? spacefield? |
| 18:05:10 | Slasheri | Nico_P: Hmm, i don't wonder that the patch breaks the playback buffer.. just looked at the patch |
| 18:05:13 | linuxstb | (claiming Rockbox outlasts the Apple firmware) |
| 18:05:29 | amiconn | webguest37: You need to use dlltool instead of ld for building the codecs and plugins |
| 18:05:36 | Nico_P | yes ? it's probably full of mistakes |
| 18:05:40 | amiconn | ...when building for windows, that is |
| 18:06:02 | webguest37 | amiconn: that might matter.... |
| 18:06:27 | linuxstb | bbl |
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| 18:06:30 | Slasheri | Nico_P: i will try to do the metadata buffering soon, then it would be easy to use that instead |
| 18:06:50 | Nico_P | Slasheri: cool |
| 18:07:06 | Nico_P | maybe you'd want to include album art directly ? |
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| 18:07:35 | Slasheri | hmm, i will consider that :) |
| 18:07:40 | webguest37 | Now to figure out how to actually use dlltool,, then |
| 18:07:45 | Slasheri | but i would need to use simulator as i have only h140 |
| 18:08:56 | amiconn | Album art in 4 greylevels... |
| 18:08:57 | Nico_P | there is still some work needed on the displaying part : scaling, allowing to use a 'covers' subdir, including massa's changes... but maybe whilst you're at it you could include the basic loading |
| 18:09:29 | Nico_P | and btw, do you have any big mistakes i made in mind ? |
| 18:09:33 | webguest37 | amiconn: It's not as bad as you'd think |
| 18:09:49 | amiconn | 4 greylevels suck badly for image display |
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| 18:18:06 | amiconn | Wee, I finally managed to open my mini |
| 18:18:33 | amiconn | Surprise: The codec is neither a WM8721 nor a WM8731, but a WM8711 |
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| 18:21:01 | webguest37 | Here's what I did to crosscompile the SDL sim.. I don't have enough knowledge to fix the configure script or the codec problem.. http://pastebin.com/632836 |
| 18:21:27 | Mikachu | do the .rock plugins work? |
| 18:22:04 | webguest37 | up |
| 18:22:06 | webguest37 | yup |
| 18:22:21 | webguest37 | Cube is spinning |
| 18:22:55 | webguest37 | Plasma is damn slow |
| 18:23:03 | Mikachu | heh, surprise |
| 18:23:15 | webguest37 | fire's fast enough though.. seems the other way round on target iirc |
| 18:24:49 | webguest37 | But yeah, everything but codecs seem to work |
| 18:25:06 | safetydan | odd, codec loading is basically the same as plugin loading |
| 18:26:13 | webguest37 | curious |
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| 19:01:00 | webguest31 | for best rockbox support, would it be better to purchase an X5 over a 5G? |
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| 19:03:16 | tempi | here's again the man again that currently works on iPodLinux Loader v2... |
| 19:04:23 | tempi | i have another question: do you have use for the ability to pass a text string to the loaded rockbox from the loader? e.g. that you can configure the loader to launch rockbox with either of 2 or more arguments and the user can then select them at boot time? |
| 19:05:08 | tempi | if so, contact me soon, please, over at #ipodlinux-dev or personally (might have to try my other nick "tempel" then as well) |
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| 19:05:17 | tempi | and off again... |
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| 19:05:31 | Mikachu | does he pay for irc windows or something? |
| 19:05:38 | webguest37 | haha |
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| 19:05:52 | webguest37 | drive-by ircing |
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| 19:11:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Is there an attachment size limit in the wiki? |
| 19:11:34 | amiconn | I'm trying to upload my mini2g shots, but it doesn't work... |
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| 19:19:07 | webguest37 | wow, the HACKING document in uisimulator has "no info yet" on win32 sim |
| 19:19:58 | Bger | webguest37 win32/X sims are considered obsolete now |
| 19:20:35 | webguest37 | Yeah, just noting that win32 sim came and went without being mentioned in that document |
| 19:21:22 | Bger | :D |
| 19:21:44 | Slasheri | hmm, just wondering how i could remove the glue from the backside of h140 as i removed one of the worn stickers |
| 19:22:13 | Slasheri | without breaking the paint |
| 19:22:28 | Bger | h140 has a paint too ? |
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| 19:22:56 | Slasheri | i think it has something like that (black paint on the magnesium allow or similar) |
| 19:23:26 | bluebrother^ | I have the european h120 which is champagne |
| 19:23:27 | Bger | ah, i got it now |
| 19:23:30 | Slasheri | *alloy |
| 19:23:40 | bluebrother^ | on some edges the "paint" came off. |
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| 19:23:57 | bluebrother^ | the inner case seems to be white. Looks quite funny. |
| 19:25:03 | webguest37 | Maybe it wants to be an ipod |
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| 19:25:27 | bluebrother^ | maybe. But it doesn't have a click-wheel ;-) |
| 19:26:07 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 19:40:55 | jay-k | hello - I'm using the x5 rockbox and seem to have locked myself out of the UI - anybody got time to give me a pointer? |
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| 19:42:48 | jay-k | I turned off backlignt timeout - and now the buttons are unresponsive. Can anyone tell me how to reset the configuration to the default. I tried reflashing the firmware - but no go. |
| 19:43:21 | Mikachu | try holding one of the buttons while booting, not sure which it would be for x5 |
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| 19:47:21 | jay-k | no dice - just booted with each button held down. I get the boot screen, the rockbox logo, then the backlight turns off and keys are unresponsive again. |
| 19:47:37 | Mikachu | i guess something is wrong with the backlight first press filter code |
| 19:47:59 | Mikachu | i don't know how that works though |
| 19:48:26 | jay-k | is there a file somewhere that stores the startup config ? I can still access it as a drive |
| 19:48:52 | Mikachu | no, it's saved somewhere on the disk not part of a filesystem |
| 19:49:30 | amiconn | It's possible to clear the settings sector from a pc - if you use dd and know what you are doing |
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| 19:49:56 | Mikachu | probably easier to copy a rockbox.x5 that is hardcoded to reset the settings |
| 19:50:03 | jay-k | I am familiar with dd.. |
| 19:50:08 | Mikachu | or even better has the bug fixed |
| 19:51:26 | jay-k | mikachu - you mean a specially compiled rockbox ? I tried reflashing but that didn't work. |
| 19:51:49 | webguest37 | you would need to change the config sector version thingy |
| 19:51:49 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 19:52:10 | amiconn | No, just zeroing the config sector is enough |
| 19:52:11 | Mikachu | no, there's a check in startup that resets settings if you hold the right button |
| 19:52:13 | amiconn | (with dd) |
| 19:52:29 | Mikachu | you could just remove the button check and it would reset the settings |
| 19:53:08 | jay-k | ok... so how do I find the config sector? |
| 19:53:27 | jay-k | set location or ? |
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| 19:53:56 | Mikachu | jay-k: did you try booting with hold on too? |
| 19:54:32 | jay-k | yup. :-( |
| 19:54:38 | amiconn | jay-k: Try the following: |
| 19:55:18 | amiconn | (1) check for config sector: dd if=/your/iaudio_dev of=config.bin skip=61 count=1 |
| 19:55:46 | amiconn | Then open this in a hex editor. It should start with "Roc" |
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| 19:56:09 | amiconn | If you're sure this is your config sector, then overwrite it: |
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| 19:57:33 | amiconn | dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1 |
| 19:58:03 | Mikachu | be sure to use seek there, and not skip again |
| 19:58:39 | amiconn | y |
| 19:59:09 | jay-k | sho' nuff. |
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| 20:00:06 | jay-k | here goes nothing. |
| 20:00:35 | jay-k | You guys are officially my heros. :-) |
| 20:00:48 | Mikachu | someone should fix that bug though |
| 20:01:36 | jay-k | Which one, where the backlight is off so you can't use the keys, or where there is nothing you can do to overwrite the config sector? |
| 20:01:49 | webguest37 | Both |
| 20:02:00 | amiconn | The config sector business will go, one day |
| 20:02:17 | webguest37 | There should be a SETTINGS_RESET defined for.. all targets? |
| 20:02:33 | amiconn | But if there's a bug with backlight timeout and the 'eat first keypress' thing, this needs to be fixed |
| 20:02:34 | Mikachu | or it should use button_hold for all targets without it |
| 20:02:49 | amiconn | Mikachu: Not all targets have hold |
| 20:03:19 | Mikachu | what i meant to say was the ones with hold don't need a settings_reset |
| 20:03:31 | petur | I was surprised the 'eat first keypress' was on default |
| 20:03:46 | amiconn | It is for colour targets |
| 20:04:15 | Mikachu | what's the connection between colour and backlight? |
| 20:04:25 | Slasheri | ah, just used turpentine and now black shines from the backside of my h140 :) no stickers or glue left at all |
| 20:05:30 | amiconn | jay-k: So, did you set the backlight to always off, or always on? |
| 20:05:34 | webguest37 | Mikachu: Most colour screens are completey unusable without backlight |
| 20:05:56 | Mikachu | rockbox should detect if you're looking at the screen or not |
| 20:06:06 | webguest37 | hah |
| 20:06:31 | jay-k | I set the backlight to 'off' |
| 20:06:50 | jay-k | when I did that, all the buttons stopped responding immediately. I couldn't change it back. |
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| 20:12:09 | amiconn | Hmm, backlight completely off should automatically disable 'eat first keypress' |
| 20:12:43 | Mikachu | if (!filter_first_keypress || is_backlight_on()) |
| 20:12:57 | Mikachu | would anything break if is_backlight_on() reported true when backlight is disabled? |
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| 20:14:37 | jay-k | here's what I noticed when trying the buttons on bootum |
| 20:14:39 | jay-k | bootup. |
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| 20:15:36 | jay-k | it would sometimes take that first keypress - for example if I was holding down select (the joystick pushed down) it would go to the first folder (firmware i think) but after that the buttons were unresponsive. |
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| 20:18:02 | Mikachu | possible that the button driver queues the events before the settings are loaded maybe |
| 20:18:16 | linuxstb | Mikachu: The problem with using hold to reset settings on the ipod is that inserting USB/power will turn on the ipod, even if hold is on. A few people have "complained" about losing their settings accidentally by doing that. So we should try and prevent that happening. |
| 20:18:37 | Mikachu | i've been able to reset it accidentally two times in the last three days without using usb |
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| 20:19:03 | linuxstb | How do you manage that? |
| 20:19:16 | Mikachu | i'm not exactly sure |
| 20:19:21 | RedBreva | I have just added "http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4979" to fix the broken Ondio manuals, can anyone comit it please? |
| 20:19:34 | linuxstb | The config version has been bumped a couple of times recently - that will reset your settings. |
| 20:19:45 | Mikachu | yeah but it was while i was out |
| 20:20:01 | Mikachu | i probably turned on hold right after i pressed menu and put it in my pocket, forgot i had to press play too |
| 20:21:01 | linuxstb | That's also a problem with using hold - if a user has auto-resume, they may want to turn it on, turn hold on and then put it away before Rockbox starts... |
| 20:21:06 | Mikachu | yeah |
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| 20:21:47 | linuxstb | But I can't think of a better solution with our current button driver - just enabling a key combination didn't work. |
| 20:21:54 | Mikachu | the only actually annoying part is losing the current position in the playlist |
| 20:22:09 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, early usb detection should catch that, before loading settings |
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| 20:22:29 | Mikachu | why didn't a key combination work? |
| 20:22:53 | linuxstb | The button driver doesn't seem to register presses before it is started. |
| 20:23:00 | Mikachu | i remembered that now |
| 20:23:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 20:23:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, that's because of how the ipod button driver works |
| 20:23:20 | amiconn | (interrupt driven) |
| 20:23:25 | Mikachu | is that a hw limit? |
| 20:23:35 | amiconn | On targets where we poll the button there's no such limit |
| 20:24:03 | Mikachu | couldn't you read it from the hw directly in that place only, or would it be cheating? |
| 20:24:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: There's early usb detection in main.c which is done even before ata init, i.e. before loading settings |
| 20:24:11 | Mikachu | like button_really_check_status() |
| 20:24:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, but how would that help us with resetting the settings? |
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| 20:24:55 | amiconn | I dunno. Imho the button driver should just poll on iPod the same way as on other targets. The button tick is there anyway |
| 20:25:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: It means the settings shouldn't be reset because of hold being enabled and then waking up the iPod by plugging USB |
| 20:25:52 | Ricky28269 | hi, i was wondering how i can get a 'base WAD' for rockdoom and where i should copy it to? i'm new to rockbox and doom, but i'd really like to get it working... |
| 20:26:39 | amiconn | The settings can only be reset after they are loaded, which means loading from disk. As early USB detection happens before ata init, the settings can't be loaded yet and hence not be reset |
| 20:27:37 | amiconn | Hmm, but they are reset... |
| 20:27:46 | amiconn | So something isn't working as it should |
| 20:28:09 | linuxstb | Ricky28269: Which player do you have? |
| 20:28:27 | Ricky28269 | ipod 5g |
| 20:28:58 | linuxstb | The Rockbox Doom doesn't work on the ipods yet. |
| 20:29:23 | Ricky28269 | darn... is iDoom compatible with rockbox? |
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| 20:30:31 | linuxstb | No - iDoom runs under ipodlinux. |
| 20:30:56 | Ricky28269 | and ipodlinux still doesn't fully support 5g, plus it requires linux and my linux box is at home :S |
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| 20:31:11 | Ricky28269 | *requires linux to install |
| 20:31:41 | Ricky28269 | well then, on with more browsing through the plugins folder :) |
| 20:32:13 | Ricky28269 | oh one more thing, does anyone here have a suggestion as to how to make all the iTunes scrambled file names into nice ones that i can easily browse? |
| 20:32:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've just done a quick test, if I turn my ipod off, then turn on hold, and then plug in USB, it boots and then reboots into disk mode (settings are not reset). But then, if I unattach USB, the ipod reboots (with the hold switch still on) and goes into Rockbox, where the settings are then reset. |
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| 20:33:52 | linuxstb | So the early USB detection works as you thought, but it's the subsequent reboot back into Rockbox that causes the problem. |
| 20:34:15 | amiconn | Yes, if the hold switch is still on when unplugging USB, the reset is obvious |
| 20:34:17 | linuxstb | Ricky28269: Use TagCache - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 20:34:19 | Mikachu | this is probably not so helpful, but why would you have hold on when having it on your desk? |
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| 20:34:51 | amiconn | But the settings are also reset if you switch hold on, plug usb (rockbox boots & reboots into disk mode), then switch off hold before pulling USB |
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| 20:35:36 | amiconn | At least on my mini... |
| 20:35:57 | linuxstb | That doesn't make sense. I'll try it... |
| 20:37:01 | linuxstb | Works as expected for me - no reset. |
| 20:37:06 | linuxstb | (on my 4g Color) |
| 20:38:16 | amiconn | hmmm. |
| 20:38:31 | Ricky28269 | okay, i'm following those tag cache instructions. another question i have is, when i am playing a song, it skips during playback. file type is plain mp4, and i wasn't doing anything but listening, nothing was going in the background |
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| 20:39:17 | linuxstb | The mp4 (AAC) decoder is very slow - skips are due to it not being fast enough to decode in realtime. |
| 20:39:28 | linuxstb | Do you know the bitrate of your files? |
| 20:39:41 | Ricky28269 | i believe it's 128kb/s |
| 20:40:27 | Ricky28269 | yea on the play screen it says 128kBit avg (no id3) |
| 20:40:30 | Mikachu | Ricky28269: do you have the peak meters on? |
| 20:40:34 | linuxstb | My 128kb/s AAC test file works fine. Do you have the peakmeter on your play screen? |
| 20:40:47 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Good question... |
| 20:40:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have an idea: |
| 20:40:49 | Ricky28269 | it skips approximately every 6 seconds, for about half a second |
| 20:41:01 | Ricky28269 | Mikachu, maybe. what is that? lol |
| 20:41:06 | amiconn | The bootloader should check both usb and hold status. |
| 20:41:31 | amiconn | If it find usb active, it should immediately reboot to disk mode, without even bothering to load rockbox |
| 20:41:32 | Mikachu | Ricky28269: the moving bars |
| 20:41:52 | amiconn | ..and if it finds usb inactive but hold active, it should shut down |
| 20:41:52 | Ricky28269 | oh yea. yea, on this play screen, but i think it also skips on the other play screen - i'll check right now |
| 20:41:59 | Mikachu | amiconn: what if you want to have usb in to charge? |
| 20:42:13 | linuxstb | Checking usb status in the bootloader could be tricky. Any initialisation of the hardware we do in the bootloader seems to cause the Apple firmware to refuse to run. |
| 20:42:21 | amiconn | urgs |
| 20:42:38 | amiconn | Btw, speaking about apple firmware: |
| 20:42:42 | Ricky28269 | okay i switched to one called iAmp, it has no peak meters and seems to be working |
| 20:42:53 | linuxstb | If you notice, most of the firmware/ code is #ifndef BOOTLOADER for the ipod. |
| 20:43:00 | amiconn | I can't get the apple firmware to start from the rockbox bootloader |
| 20:43:29 | amiconn | ...independent of which bootloader button code I use. Tried both mini (1g) and ipod 4g code |
| 20:43:31 | Ricky28269 | that's another question i have! how do i switch back to the apple firmware, instead of loading the rockbox firmware? |
| 20:43:42 | amiconn | Maybe preglow could give some hints... |
| 20:43:57 | Mikachu | Ricky28269: hold menu |
| 20:43:58 | linuxstb | So it's just the button detection that's failing? |
| 20:44:34 | linuxstb | I mean, if you delete rockbox.ipod, does the apple firmware load? |
| 20:44:46 | Ricky28269 | ok, i'll try it after the TagCache thing. speaking of which, another question: how will i know when the TagCache update is done? |
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| 20:45:09 | linuxstb | When your hard disk stops making noises. |
| 20:45:39 | Ricky28269 | lol, that's the only indication? great....... |
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| 20:45:47 | linuxstb | It's still a work in progress.... |
| 20:45:57 | odoyletul | hey i have a question where can i find some good nimh batteries |
| 20:46:10 | Ricky28269 | yea, well i guess that's the price of open source :) |
| 20:46:30 | Mikachu | the price is you can fix it |
| 20:46:37 | Ricky28269 | odoyletul, you might want to try goodnimhbatteries.com, i heard they can teleport them through your screen instantly |
| 20:46:38 | odoyletul | i need some for my archos jukebox |
| 20:46:38 | linuxstb | s/price/pleasure/ |
| 20:46:43 | Mikachu | if it was closed and all the developers died you would be stuck with a nonworking program |
| 20:47:02 | Mikachu | Ricky28269: “goodnimhbatteries.com” could not be found. :(( |
| 20:47:02 | * | Ricky28269 knocks on wood |
| 20:47:06 | Mikachu | ouch |
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| 20:47:25 | Ricky28269 | well then the next best try would be your nearest RadioShack :) |
| 20:47:40 | odoyletul | jeez cmon i figured you guyz would know some good sources |
| 20:47:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. But the apple firmware gets confused by our bootloader |
| 20:48:11 | amiconn | The display is mirrored and shown at an offset |
| 20:48:23 | odoyletul | you dont have to be mean to me |
| 20:48:24 | Ricky28269 | lol! that's pretty funny, i should try that |
| 20:48:25 | linuxstb | That's exactly the same bug as the 4g grayscale users have reported. |
| 20:48:50 | Mikachu | can't you do something like write the retailOS cookie in iram and reboot from the bootloader and do no init at all and just check the cookie? |
| 20:48:51 | Ricky28269 | amiconn, does this mirrored+offset thing work on 5g ipods or a diff model? |
| 20:49:03 | amiconn | mini 2g |
| 20:49:10 | odoyletul | can someone be serious and help a brotha out |
| 20:49:11 | linuxstb | Ricky28269: It's a bug - and it only affects the mini 2g and 4g greyscale. |
| 20:49:25 | Ricky28269 | ah darn. i was going to do it and show my friends, be like "hey guys look my ipod is messed up, it's all flipped and stuff" |
| 20:49:36 | Ricky28269 | that would be fun. |
| 20:49:52 | Ricky28269 | odoyletul, i suggest google or something. this is not #nimhbatteries |
| 20:50:03 | linuxstb | Mikachu: But that would mean an extra reboot, which doesn't seem desirable. |
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| 20:50:14 | Mikachu | linuxstb: apple takes like half a minute to boot anyway |
| 20:50:23 | Mikachu | i usually go and have dinner while it boots |
| 20:50:37 | odoyletul | i need them for my archos player so i can run rockbox OS |
| 20:50:39 | linuxstb | You could have dinner and a movie whilst the 5g firmware boots... |
| 20:50:57 | Ricky28269 | that's quite an exaggeration, although it does take almost a minute... |
| 20:50:59 | Mikachu | so maybe the reboot would only look a bit strange, but not hurt a lot |
| 20:51:00 | linuxstb | Apple's solution is their sleep/hibernation modes. |
| 20:51:09 | amiconn | Well, apple boots considerably slower than rockbox on mini 2g |
| 20:51:26 | linuxstb | And it's just got worse with later ipods I think. |
| 20:51:33 | amiconn | I'd say apple boot on mini 2g needs about the same time as rockbox boot on iriver |
| 20:51:43 | amiconn | rockbox boot on mini 2g is blazingly fast |
| 20:52:03 | Ricky28269 | i have only had experience with my 5g, so i don't kno about the older ipods, but the 5g does take about a minute i believe |
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| 20:52:19 | odoyletul | yeah because there is no hdd to spin up smarty pants |
| 20:52:23 | Ricky28269 | as long as you wake it up every once in a while, it doesn't power all the way down... |
| 20:52:37 | amiconn | The slowest part of rockbox boot is the time the apple logo is shown |
| 20:53:02 | amiconn | odoyletul: There is a HD to spin up... |
| 20:53:27 | Ricky28269 | wow, it seems the volume indicator of the iAmp wps is off the top of the screen.... :S |
| 20:53:41 | Mikachu | rockbox takes exactly 5 seconds to reach the main menu from pressing menu to awaken from deep sleep on my nano |
| 20:54:14 | odoyletul | ipods suck apple don't even make them |
| 20:54:20 | Ricky28269 | i scroll the wheel for volume changes and some pixels at the top turn on and off, in no apparent bar pattern or anything |
| 20:54:38 | Mikachu | odoyletul: thanks for the meaningful contributions |
| 20:54:39 | Ricky28269 | odoyletul, you just keep looking for batteries k? |
| 20:54:59 | odoyletul | they OEM from some company in japan |
| 20:55:06 | amiconn | Mikachu: 7 seconds on mini 2g (from switched-off-by-rockbox state) |
| 20:55:26 | Ricky28269 | i would time my 5g but it's probably still doing the tag cache thing :) |
| 20:55:38 | Mikachu | i added a button_clear_queue() after the splash is done, i think i'll remove that |
| 20:55:45 | odoyletul | apple only writes the firmware which cripples the player to their shit |
| 20:55:46 | Mikachu | since i can press play after like 3 seconds and it will be queued |
| 20:56:09 | Mikachu | -!- #rockbox You need to be a channel operator to do that :( |
| 20:56:31 | odoyletul | the original firmware for that player plays movies music ebooks |
| 20:57:44 | Ricky28269 | IRC should have a votekick command :-D |
| 20:58:24 | tboy | I seem to have a problem with tagcache |
| 20:58:34 | tboy | every time I force a update |
| 20:58:35 | odoyletul | i was in china and i could have bought a bunch of ipods for the price of one ipod |
| 20:58:40 | odoyletul | here |
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| 20:58:46 | tboy | my H300 freezes after 30 sec. |
| 20:58:56 | tboy | anyone familiar with this? |
| 20:59:29 | Slasheri | tboy: can you crash it with the simulator? |
| 20:59:40 | amiconn | Mikachu: button_clear_queue() should ideally not be used at all. |
| 20:59:43 | Slasheri | if possible, please try with that and using same files as on your player |
| 20:59:51 | odoyletul | my friends buy that shit too |
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| 21:00:10 | amiconn | On archs, when rockbox is flashed, it allows to press resume directly after poweron, and rockbox will catch it :) |
| 21:00:15 | Slasheri | tboy: then you can take a bactrace from a debugger if it crashes |
| 21:00:19 | tboy | Slasheri: I haven't tried |
| 21:00:53 | Ricky28269 | is there a way i can get rockbox to load my iTunes playlists? |
| 21:01:03 | Mikachu | amiconn: yeah it was not a good idea |
| 21:01:24 | odoyletul | wait so i can resume from where i was on the mp3 |
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| 21:02:01 | odoyletul | amiconn does that mean i can resume where i was on the mp3 |
| 21:02:03 | * | Mikachu feels an overpowering desire to help odoyletul |
| 21:02:06 | Mikachu | no wait, i don't |
| 21:02:51 | odoyletul | what i am just stating the truth |
| 21:03:21 | Ricky28269 | it seems my force tag cache update feature is not working. i select it, it says updating in background, and the hard drive makes noise for a couple seconds, then just stops and nothing updates. |
| 21:03:28 | Mikachu | most of your statements are incorrect and/or stupid |
| 21:04:28 | Ricky28269 | and what is the danger of incrementing Max files in dir browser to something huge? is that just a freeze detector basically? |
| 21:04:52 | odoyletul | http://i23.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/b7/48/3c_1_b.JPG this is the original player before apple puts their shit on it |
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| 21:06:18 | * | Ricky28269 definitely agrees with Mikachu regarding odoyletul, especially after seeing that last line. |
| 21:07:46 | odoyletul | i heard that the new rockbox has it where you can have voice commands |
| 21:08:45 | Ricky28269 | oh wow i just found the 'Open with' command, how useful! |
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| 21:10:16 | Ricky28269 | not to mention the rest of the options..... basically complete file support, yay :) |
| 21:10:30 | webguest03 | odoyletul: I think what you have there is known as an "Ipod Clone" |
| 21:10:56 | Ricky28269 | lol |
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| 21:12:39 | webguest03 | Looks like one of those Neo players |
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| 21:12:44 | webguest03 | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=49020&TabID=1&source=1&doy=25m2 |
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| 21:13:16 | odoyletul | yeah so it does alot more than ipod ever thought of |
| 21:13:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:13:53 | Ricky28269 | lmfao |
| 21:14:01 | Ricky28269 | Neo.... |
| 21:14:26 | odoyletul | i never seen an ipod mini that plays vidz |
| 21:14:40 | Ricky28269 | how much is 70 lira, in USD? |
| 21:15:29 | obo | Ricky28269: if tagcache is complete - menu -> general -> file -> show files - set to id3 database |
| 21:15:43 | Ricky28269 | it's not complete, it doesn't start... |
| 21:15:54 | linuxstb | I think you also need to shutdown your ipod and restart it. |
| 21:16:03 | bluey | wtf? why is it so fu***** expensive to order something from UK? |
| 21:16:13 | bluey | 30GPS for delivery??? |
| 21:16:17 | Mikachu | to where? |
| 21:16:21 | bluey | ger |
| 21:16:23 | Ricky28269 | oh, yes it seems, it auto-turned off so i turned it on and it said "Committing tagcache" - checking now |
| 21:16:24 | * | linuxstb has no complaints - living in the UK... |
| 21:16:30 | bluey | :) |
| 21:16:46 | Ricky28269 | Yay, it works! :) |
| 21:17:03 | bluey | http://cgi.ebay.de/ULTIMATE-EARS-super-fi-5-PRO-in-ear-earphones-BLACK-NIB_W0QQitemZ9702127018QQcategoryZ112529QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:17:11 | * | Ricky28269 is in good old North Carolina, USA |
| 21:17:12 | bluey | to germany 40GPS? that can't be true |
| 21:17:30 | Mikachu | what is a GPS? |
| 21:17:46 | Ricky28269 | gold pieces, of course! |
| 21:17:49 | Ricky28269 | RuneScape currency :) |
| 21:17:52 | webguest03 | GBP, I think is the correct abbreviation of british pounds |
| 21:17:55 | bluey | british pounds i guess |
| 21:17:58 | Mikachu | i thought most countries used paper money now |
| 21:18:10 | webguest03 | bluey: I think it'll be shipped with its own plane or something :-/ |
| 21:18:10 | Ricky28269 | Mikachu it was a joke.. |
| 21:18:17 | Ricky28269 | you've never played RuneScape before? |
| 21:18:18 | Mikachu | me too |
| 21:18:22 | bluey | or somekind of heavy transporter |
| 21:18:37 | Mikachu | i think i thought they really were gold pieces? |
| 21:18:41 | Mikachu | er, you* :) |
| 21:19:30 | Ricky28269 | lol no. im just in the mood for RuneScape, but im on my crappy computer at my dad's house, so im messing with rockbox instead :) |
| 21:20:12 | Ricky28269 | its a celeron 467 mhz... can't do much of anything lol |
| 21:21:35 | Ricky28269 | does the gameboy emulator work on ipod 5g, and what are the buttons? |
| 21:22:17 | odoyletul | ipod is always the best FOR ME TO POOP ON |
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| 21:22:39 | webguest03 | odoyletul: good, now take that somewhere else |
| 21:22:57 | Ricky28269 | /votekick odoyletul |
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| 21:23:10 | Ricky28269 | :) |
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| 21:23:42 | odoyletul | um |
| 21:24:07 | odoyletul | i guess that didnt work |
| 21:24:26 | Ricky28269 | it was a joke |
| 21:24:49 | webguest03 | It didn't work :) |
| 21:25:47 | odoyletul | man i just come here asking where i can find some decent batteries for my mp3 playa and i get sassed at some guy asks for help with his broke ipod and he gets help like nothing |
| 21:26:12 | odoyletul | WTH |
| 21:26:24 | Ricky28269 | BECAUSE THIS ISN'T #nimhbatteries !!! |
| 21:26:48 | Ricky28269 | this is #rockbox, it is a support discussion for rockbox, having nothing to do with replacement mp3 player batteries! |
| 21:26:58 | odoyletul | its hardware that is required to RUN THE MP3 PLAYER |
| 21:27:01 | petur | odoyletul: try to get sanyo ones, they last the longest |
| 21:27:18 | Ricky28269 | then go to #hardwarethatisrequiredtoRUNTHEMP3PLAYER or something! |
| 21:27:26 | petur | also: look at photo related review sites, they feature battery tests |
| 21:27:55 | petur | google is your friend :) |
| 21:27:58 | odoyletul | thanks petur |
| 21:28:01 | Ricky28269 | batteries for mp3 players are so remotely related to this topic, you might as well ask for windows xp help on the lines that "rockbox was made for windows" |
| 21:28:32 | odoyletul | what about generics should i stay away from those |
| 21:28:53 | petur | right, well I've seen many linux discussions here, never complained about it... |
| 21:29:23 | webguest03 | odoyletul: That's usualy a good idea for any product, but then again, you might catch a good deal |
| 21:29:34 | Ricky28269 | lol, well anyway i hope you kinda get my point. i asked for rockbox help, and i got it because this is #rockbox... |
| 21:29:44 | petur | odoyletul: as the saying goes: you get what you pay for... sometimes good, sometimes a rip-off |
| 21:30:29 | * | Ricky28269 's stupid crappy computer freezes as he plugs back in his ipod video to transfer a gameboy rom to it |
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| 21:31:09 | odoyletul | well i want to get a couple sets of nimhs but ebay and websites like that charge like 12 bucks to ship 16 batteries |
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| 21:31:37 | webguest03 | odoyletul: Get something local.. having them shipped far is unlikely to be worth the extra cost |
| 21:32:18 | odoyletul | i was hoping an enlightened individual such as the people here would know a good source on the internet |
| 21:32:40 | petur | I always buy batteries local |
| 21:32:48 | odoyletul | yeah right they want 12 bucks for 4 batteries |
| 21:32:54 | Ricky28269 | like i said: radioshack |
| 21:33:05 | petur | shipping costs too much compared to the cost of the batteries |
| 21:33:32 | odoyletul | most stores i go to don't even carry 2700mah batteries |
| 21:33:33 | petur | so compare some stores close to you |
| 21:33:47 | Ricky28269 | also i saw a sign in the window of some video game store that said you can buy batteries there, i don't remember the store though |
| 21:33:50 | petur | that's bad |
| 21:34:03 | Ricky28269 | actually it might have been EB Games |
| 21:34:22 | webguest03 | odoyletul: You're in Boston (?), and you can't get decent batteries? |
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| 21:34:57 | odoyletul | i want some 2700mah batteries so my player will run 20 hours |
| 21:35:18 | webguest03 | so you say |
| 21:35:39 | petur | google, and if you fail, ask a good brand for a dealer near you |
| 21:36:45 | Ricky28269 | lol, im playing pokemon gold on my ipod video :) |
| 21:37:01 | Mikachu | pikapika chuuuuuu |
| 21:37:21 | Ricky28269 | idk the buttons tho :S |
| 21:37:22 | odoyletul | yeah now you can brag to your dorky friends lol |
| 21:37:41 | Ricky28269 | ummm.... ok? |
| 21:37:43 | linuxstb | Slasheri: There seems to be a bug in tagcache relating to genres. I think that it's possible that either the numeric genre tag OR the genre_string to be set from the tags. So when a file only has a numerical genre, the genre_string is empty, so tagcache is categorising that track as "Unknown". |
| 21:38:19 | linuxstb | I noticed this yesterday when I first tried tagcache with some mp3/id3v2 files, but a few others have mentioned it on the forums. |
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| 21:38:25 | webguest03 | odoyletul: Please stop attacking people who are trying to help you |
| 21:38:43 | webguest03 | Even if they happen to own hardware that you despise. |
| 21:39:22 | Ricky28269 | agh, i can't use up down left and right lmao.... |
| 21:39:56 | Ricky28269 | this is quite funny, i wasn't expecting to be able to play game boy games on my ipod :) |
| 21:40:33 | odoyletul | how well do the controls work |
| 21:40:54 | odoyletul | which button is a b etc |
| 21:40:56 | Ricky28269 | not well cause i can't figure out how to use directions. but A and B work fine, so far |
| 21:41:13 | Ricky28269 | i went into the menu and pressed buttons and ended up with play as A, and menu as B |
| 21:41:57 | Mikachu | all keys aren't bound on ipods in rockboy yet |
| 21:42:01 | odoyletul | don't you hist use the directional pad on the side of the buttons |
| 21:42:30 | Ricky28269 | i have an ipod, remember? lol |
| 21:42:49 | odoyletul | well i have an archos jukebox |
| 21:42:56 | Ricky28269 | ipods have the scroll wheel, and the 5 buttons :S |
| 21:43:02 | petur | ah.. the fun of multi-platform software ;) |
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| 21:43:11 | Ricky28269 | lol yea |
| 21:43:24 | Ricky28269 | especially when the platforms have completely different button setups |
| 21:43:29 | linuxstb | Yep, 18 targets now.... |
| 21:43:29 | webguest03 | odoyletul: ther archoses can't really play gameboy games very well. The screen is much too small, and the cpu is much too slow |
| 21:43:50 | Ricky28269 | hehe |
| 21:43:59 | webguest03 | Is rockboy even included for archos? |
| 21:44:07 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so. |
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| 21:44:29 | Ricky28269 | what is "iriverify" ? |
| 21:44:44 | bluebrother^ | converts rockbox playlists to iriver format. |
| 21:44:47 | odoyletul | i dont really care about that i am just using it as a case for one of my 2.5 hard drives |
| 21:45:03 | Ricky28269 | ah, i found the plugins sections of the wiki. how useful :) |
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| 21:45:19 | odoyletul | hells yeah 60gb of mp3s |
| 21:45:24 | miner49er | you could always play asteroids...I mean spacerocks! |
| 21:45:25 | webguest03 | I wonder why iriverify is included on anything but irivers |
| 21:45:35 | jay-k | So - sorry to idle so long - do the peak bars eat up a lot of CPU? |
| 21:45:36 | * | linuxstb wonders the same thing and goes to fix it... |
| 21:45:47 | Ricky28269 | jay-k: yep |
| 21:45:58 | Ricky28269 | i turned them off and everything works smoothly, 99% of the time |
| 21:46:12 | jay-k | ok - that would explain why I started getting skipping with EQ on and peak on some ogg files |
| 21:46:21 | odoyletul | oh BTW i am able to play pokemon on it |
| 21:46:34 | Ricky28269 | EQ is a waste of batteries, IMO |
| 21:46:56 | webguest03 | odoyletul: really? I would've thought it wasn't playable |
| 21:47:23 | odoyletul | the main problem with the rockboy on archos is you have to make sure it is 1mb or under |
| 21:47:41 | odoyletul | each rom is 1mb or under |
| 21:47:42 | miner49er | there is a GB game that is actually playable on tha Archos'? |
| 21:48:16 | Ricky28269 | ah great. from snake: "Game Paused, [Off] to quit" - what is the button combo for [Off]? |
| 21:48:43 | webguest03 | menu+select or something like that, iirc |
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| 21:48:54 | Ricky28269 | nevermind, i froze it anyway |
| 21:48:55 | Ricky28269 | *restarts* |
| 21:49:18 | webguest03 | It is menu+select, by the way |
| 21:49:29 | webguest03 | Just checked |
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| 21:49:43 | Kyomi | Alright.. I have a question on Doom |
| 21:49:51 | Kyomi | How can you play other wad files? |
| 21:49:55 | jay-k | Yeah. I don't usually use it EQ - even on the stock iaudio firmware. |
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| 21:50:44 | jay-k | I notice the Iaudio firmware peak bars slow WAY down when processing high quality oggs. |
| 21:51:13 | Ricky28269 | the "cube" plugin is pretty awesome - it's openGL right? |
| 21:51:27 | Kyomi | Anyone? |
| 21:51:35 | webguest03 | Ricky28269: not at all |
| 21:51:51 | webguest03 | Homebrew 3d code |
| 21:51:52 | Mikachu | Ricky28269: er, no dap has a 3d card |
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| 21:52:01 | Ricky28269 | ah, weird. |
| 21:52:08 | Ricky28269 | software 3d engine test then |
| 21:52:13 | jay-k | ahah. That would be hot. GLPod. ;-) |
| 21:52:22 | linuxstb | jay-k: That's not surprising. High quality vorbis files require a lot of CPU, and so does the peakmeter. |
| 21:53:00 | webguest03 | Kyomi: you need to put them in games/doom .. don't know what to do if you've already done that |
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| 21:53:05 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 21:53:06 | jay-k | Yeah. I did some vorbis coding on a 90Mhz arm. it dropped below realtime at about 212kbps, doing nothing but playback. |
| 21:53:13 | IcyStorM | Where have the CVS builds gone? |
| 21:53:15 | jay-k | (no status display at all) |
| 21:53:17 | Kyomi | I tried that Add-on menu but it says nothing |
| 21:53:27 | Kyomi | Base game is all it says in GAME |
| 21:53:41 | webguest03 | IcyStorM: have they gone anywhere? |
| 21:53:49 | IcyStorM | yeah |
| 21:53:52 | webguest03 | Kyomi: no idea then |
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| 21:53:55 | Ricky28269 | i wish rockdoom worked on ipod :( |
| 21:53:59 | IcyStorM | look here |
| 21:54:00 | IcyStorM | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 21:54:06 | IcyStorM | gz source |
| 21:54:07 | IcyStorM | 6.44MB |
| 21:54:07 | IcyStorM | bz2 source |
| 21:54:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK IcyStorM |
| 21:54:07 | IcyStorM | 5.15MB |
| 21:54:12 | webguest03 | Ah, hah |
| 21:54:22 | webguest03 | Probably because it's building |
| 21:54:24 | IcyStorM | nothing else is there |
| 21:54:25 | webguest03 | somehow |
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| 21:55:35 | jay-k | Now - for a nice break from the 'hey how do I' and 'where are my batteries' - |
| 21:55:54 | jay-k | Can I just tell you guys that the interface for rockbox is Fan-F@#%ing-Tastic? |
| 21:55:58 | obo | anyone know why on a debian sid box 'cvs -q diff -ub > output.patch' produces a file with DOS linebreaks? |
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| 21:56:24 | jay-k | Increasing speed of menu scroll the longer you hold the scroll button - Who'da thought! |
| 21:56:31 | webguest03 | obo: because the original has DOS linebreaks? |
| 21:57:11 | webguest03 | If not, I've no idea |
| 21:57:13 | obo | webguest03: nope - normal checkout of rockbox |
| 21:57:19 | Ricky28269 | jay-k: ?? |
| 21:57:42 | webguest03 | obo: Are you sure? There have been some Rockbox files with CRLF lineendings |
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| 21:58:10 | linuxstb | obo: Which files are you looking at? |
| 21:58:27 | jay-k | oh... I was just scrolling through my music collection, trying to find the track that was skipping earlier - and I held the joystick-down, and the scroll through the artists accelerated as I held it. So nice. |
| 21:58:37 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:58:37 | * | Ricky28269 is mezmerized by the plasma plugin |
| 21:58:39 | obo | playback.c, settings.[c|h], settings_menu.c and english.lang |
| 21:58:45 | Ricky28269 | ooo, pretty colors... |
| 21:59:20 | webguest03 | obo: Right those shouldn't be crlf |
| 21:59:32 | Kyomi | argh... I wanna play different wad's :( |
| 21:59:53 | Kyomi | Is there a way to increase the dir browser cache? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:09 | linuxstb | Increase it? What do you mean? |
| 22:00:21 | linuxstb | It already caches every file. |
| 22:00:34 | webguest03 | Or do you mean the "max files in dir" thing? |
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| 22:00:49 | webguest03 | If so, menu > general settings > system > limit > max files in dir |
| 22:01:53 | Kyomi | I mean beyond 400 |
| 22:02:08 | Kyomi | I have like 1700 wad files in the doom dir |
| 22:02:45 | webguest03 | Sure, go to that menu and change it |
| 22:02:50 | webguest03 | requires you to reboot afterwards |
| 22:03:03 | Kyomi | webguest03:... |
| 22:03:09 | Kyomi | It wont go past 400 |
| 22:03:17 | Kyomi | Which is why I said beyond 400 :P |
| 22:03:18 | webguest03 | teh fukc?! |
| 22:03:29 | webguest03 | Can't see why it shouldn't.. anyone? |
| 22:03:49 | webguest03 | Sure you're pressing the right buttons? |
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| 22:05:00 | Ricky28269 | lmao @ the snow plugin |
| 22:06:05 | afruff23 | ehat's the difference between shuffle in the repeat mode tag and the shuffle in the playlis/song info tag (%ps) |
| 22:06:09 | afruff23 | what's* |
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| 22:06:50 | webguest03 | afruff23: Shuffle in the repeat mode means that when the playlist has been finished, it'll be reshuffled and played again |
| 22:07:02 | Kyomi | webguest03: I pressed every button I could |
| 22:07:12 | Kyomi | It wouldn't go past 400 |
| 22:07:24 | webguest03 | afruff23: The other shuffle just means that songs aren't bein played in directory order |
| 22:07:43 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 22:07:45 | Kyomi | Problem\ |
| 22:07:48 | webguest03 | Kyomi: no idea |
| 22:07:59 | afruff23 | so the shuffle for repeat mode is usually not in a manufacturer's firmware, right? |
| 22:08:09 | Kyomi | Everytime I plug in the usb cable and take it out... it resets my backlight time to like.. 2 seconds |
| 22:08:13 | Ricky28269 | Kyomi: do you mean the option wouldn't change, or the option would be high but the limit would still be 400? |
| 22:08:25 | Kyomi | Ummm.. |
| 22:08:30 | Kyomi | Theres a number you can adjust |
| 22:08:33 | webguest03 | afruff23: Probably correct |
| 22:08:34 | Kyomi | It wont go past 400 |
| 22:08:47 | Kyomi | You can lower it |
| 22:08:54 | Kyomi | But it just wont go by 400 |
| 22:09:24 | Kyomi | And for the love of god |
| 22:09:29 | Kyomi | Fix that backlight error :P |
| 22:09:34 | Kyomi | It's really annoying at 2 sec |
| 22:09:50 | Ricky28269 | lol |
| 22:10:10 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 22:10:24 | Kyomi | I think rockdoom should be in the "open with" area |
| 22:10:35 | Kyomi | So just select a wad... say open with rockdoom |
| 22:10:40 | Kyomi | And it'll load the wad :) |
| 22:11:32 | Kyomi | And I REALLY hope that running and strafing are in the next release |
| 22:11:38 | Kyomi | So I can get past level 2 |
| 22:11:39 | webguest03 | Someone on the ML having problems with Gentoo.. what else is new? |
| 22:11:54 | Kyomi | I mean.. it's awesome to be able to play the game |
| 22:12:14 | Kyomi | But since you can't run... you can't make it into the lil castle thingy in the second level to get the keycard |
| 22:12:24 | Kyomi | Unless theres a key combination I'm missing somewhere |
| 22:17:00 | Ricky28269 | i agree with the doom open-with idea, that would be good cause it might fix the ipod version as well |
| 22:17:37 | afruff23 | when displaying images in the WPS, what is the origin(0,)? is it the topright, topleft, bottomright, bottomleft? |
| 22:17:51 | afruff23 | (0,0)* |
| 22:18:04 | afruff23 | origin-(0,0) |
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| 22:18:44 | Ricky28269 | im guessing top-left, that's pretty much a standard for pixel coords |
| 22:18:56 | webguest03 | correct |
| 22:19:14 | afruff23 | and when you put the coordinates for an image, you're giving the coordinates for the top left f the image |
| 22:19:15 | afruff23 | right? |
| 22:19:37 | webguest03 | Should be.. why not try it out? |
| 22:19:46 | jay-k | so - if you set anti-skip to 10 minutes, does it actually load up the next song too, or is it 'up to 10 minutes of the file currently playing' ? |
| 22:19:50 | afruff23 | I don't know how to compile |
| 22:19:54 | afruff23 | the uisimulator |
| 22:20:21 | afruff23 | the precompiled one doesn't have it for the X5 |
| 22:20:28 | webguest03 | you could try it out on target |
| 22:20:39 | afruff23 | that would be such a hassle |
| 22:20:43 | webguest03 | There's a precompiled sim? |
| 22:20:46 | jay-k | Forgive me - if this is documented somewhere, I'll go pester the web server instead of you all. ;-) |
| 22:20:48 | afruff23 | yeah |
| 22:20:54 | webguest03 | Where? |
| 22:21:01 | afruff23 | on the uisimulator page |
| 22:21:08 | afruff23 | but it's from february |
| 22:21:18 | afruff23 | so no X5 support |
| 22:21:28 | webguest03 | ah, and it'll be the w32 sim too |
| 22:21:43 | Ricky28269 | ugh, i dont understand the whole playlist thing :S |
| 22:22:04 | afruff23 | yea, I use windows |
| 22:22:37 | webguest03 | Well, the old w32 sim, not the new sdl sim compiled for Windows |
| 22:22:39 | afruff23 | could somebody compile the uisimulator for me? |
| 22:22:44 | afruff23 | and include x5 support? |
| 22:23:10 | Mikachu | you can use the vmware image |
| 22:23:34 | afruff23 | I don't know what you mean by that |
| 22:24:21 | Mikachu | hang on |
| 22:24:34 | afruff23 | it emulates linux |
| 22:24:41 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 22:24:47 | webguest03 | Would make more sense to use cygwin to compile a windows sim |
| 22:24:56 | Mikachu | you can run the sim in vmware :) |
| 22:25:07 | afruff23 | but I still ahve to compile |
| 22:25:09 | afruff23 | don't I |
| 22:25:11 | Mikachu | yes |
| 22:25:22 | afruff23 | I don't know how |
| 22:25:28 | Mikachu | that guy managed to compile a windows sim in cygwin earlier |
| 22:25:34 | Mikachu | that's why instructions are written |
| 22:26:27 | webguest03 | Well, using cygwin would let the simulator run natively, which is probably preferable |
| 22:27:30 | webguest03 | But yeah, it'd involve compiling either way |
| 22:27:53 | afruff23 | I have little experience compiling |
| 22:27:56 | Mikachu | i don't know if typing make is all that hard |
| 22:27:57 | afruff23 | could somebody send me the files precopiled for the uisimulator on windows |
| 22:28:10 | Mikachu | i just think the chances of someone having compiled a w32 sim is pretty low |
| 22:28:27 | afruff23 | why? because everyoe uses linux? |
| 22:28:31 | webguest03 | I don't have one, and can't make one. |
| 22:28:46 | webguest03 | I do, at least. |
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| 22:29:37 | Ricky28269 | are you talking about a windows emulator for linux, or a linux emulator for windows? |
| 22:29:50 | afruff23 | 2nd one |
| 22:30:09 | Ricky28269 | maybe you should try a live cd? |
| 22:30:12 | webguest03 | well, you could run the vmware image in linux as well :) |
| 22:30:25 | afruff23 | live cd??? |
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| 22:30:43 | Ricky28269 | a cd that boots instead of windows, and doesn't modify the hard drive at all (unless you want it to) |
| 22:30:51 | Ricky28269 | i believe knoppix is a popular live cd |
| 22:31:01 | webguest03 | Well, not modifying the harddrive is a bitch if you want to build a crosscompiler |
| 22:31:02 | afruff23 | that's now what I want |
| 22:31:06 | afruff23 | I only need to use it once |
| 22:31:15 | Ricky28269 | for what? |
| 22:31:21 | webguest03 | I doubt any current live-cd has crosscompilers for m68k, arm and sh |
| 22:31:22 | afruff23 | building the uisimulator |
| 22:31:41 | Ricky28269 | pclinuxos is a live cd that comes loaded with all sorts of programs, it probably has compilers |
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| 22:32:14 | webguest03 | What problem would it solve? |
| 22:32:28 | afruff23 | I just need to compile uisimulator |
| 22:32:32 | afruff23 | I don't need linux |
| 22:32:39 | webguest03 | So install cygwin |
| 22:32:46 | afruff23 | I tried ti before |
| 22:32:46 | Ricky28269 | i wonder if there is such thing as LINE |
| 22:32:47 | webguest03 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 22:32:53 | afruff23 | it hangs |
| 22:32:57 | afruff23 | on the downlaod |
| 22:32:57 | webguest03 | Hangs? |
| 22:33:02 | webguest03 | oh, use another mirror |
| 22:33:07 | afruff23 | I did |
| 22:33:08 | webguest03 | some of them are bad |
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| 22:33:11 | afruff23 | I used 2 different oens |
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| 22:33:21 | afruff23 | it hanged in the middle |
| 22:33:46 | webguest03 | :-/ try again with a third mirror |
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| 22:34:07 | afruff23 | lol |
| 22:34:34 | | Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) |
| 22:34:42 | webguest03 | Or maybe your connection is broken |
| 22:34:45 | afruff23 | I've always heard of linux people not being able to use certain thigns without emulators |
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| 22:34:53 | Ricky28269 | LINE appears to exist but have no files, as if someone said "i want to make a program that runs linux programs on windows" and then gave up |
| 22:34:53 | afruff23 | but now the windos people are left out |
| 22:35:37 | Ricky28269 | oh, maybe it does have files... |
| 22:35:39 | webguest03 | Ricky28269: don't tell, it's on sourceforge? |
| 22:35:50 | Ricky28269 | yeh, sf.net/projects/line |
| 22:36:03 | Ricky28269 | but it does appear to have files - i made an assumption before the page was finished loading |
| 22:36:21 | webguest03 | SF is full of abandoned projects promising to revolutionise the world - with no files or anything |
| 22:36:29 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 22:36:35 | Ricky28269 | SF does have some good projects tho |
| 22:36:44 | Kyomi | The new experimental build says its in-sync with the mar 31 one |
| 22:36:46 | ender` | line actually worked for some apps |
| 22:36:55 | Kyomi | But when I boot it up it still says its the mar 30 one |
| 22:37:04 | Ricky28269 | but does line work as well as wine? :) |
| 22:37:24 | * | ender` needs to try CoLinux |
| 22:37:42 | Kyomi | Argh... he packaged the same one |
| 22:37:57 | * | petur gave up on colinux for the moment |
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| 22:39:26 | sharpe | i'm here for the weekend everyone! |
| 22:39:36 | Ricky28269 | yay! |
| 22:39:45 | * | Ricky28269 doesn't know you. |
| 22:39:50 | * | Ricky28269 is new tho |
| 22:39:50 | afruff23 | for usign CVS it says I ened to have CVS isntalled |
| 22:39:57 | afruff23 | what is that? |
| 22:40:09 | afruff23 | using need* |
| 22:40:19 | Ricky28269 | installed* |
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| 22:40:39 | afruff23 | why do i need a program to downlaod stuff? |
| 22:40:44 | afruff23 | download* |
| 22:40:48 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 22:40:51 | Ricky28269 | because it's CVS... |
| 22:40:58 | sharpe | you need to cvs to the cvs cvs server to obtain the new copy of the cvs souce, then compile, then cvs to the newer cvs server that supports only the version you just compiled, then you have to compile the source from the new server, which will in turn allow you to use cvs with any server. |
| 22:41:23 | afruff23 | it's all clear now |
| 22:41:25 | afruff23 | ... |
| 22:41:27 | sharpe | yes. |
| 22:41:29 | Ricky28269 | clear as mud |
| 22:41:35 | Kyomi | Does someone have a mar 31 experimental build |
| 22:41:45 | Ricky28269 | i do i do@ |
| 22:41:47 | Ricky28269 | ! |
| 22:41:48 | Kyomi | The one on audiostuff was uploaded today |
| 22:41:51 | jay-k | or you could download: http://www.wincvs.org/ |
| 22:41:52 | Ricky28269 | but i deleted the zip file. |
| 22:41:52 | Kyomi | But |
| 22:42:05 | Kyomi | When I boot it up it still says it's yesterdays version |
| 22:42:09 | Ricky28269 | i do have the Pokemon Gold zip file tho |
| 22:42:39 | Ricky28269 | double-you tee eff? |
| 22:42:47 | afruff23 | god, it's so complicated to preview a WPS! |
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| 22:43:31 | XavierGr | doh! the doom guy! |
| 22:43:34 | Kyomi | omg |
| 22:43:38 | Kyomi | Doom guy! |
| 22:43:38 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 22:43:41 | Kyomi | Help me :D |
| 22:43:46 | Ricky28269 | oh emm gee |
| 22:44:04 | Kyomi | I wanna play different WADs because I heard I could... how do I load those? |
| 22:44:20 | Kyomi | And.. is there a run option somewhere so I can make it past level 2? |
| 22:44:20 | Ricky28269 | i wanna play doom, period. on an ipod 5g. |
| 22:44:39 | Kyomi | Ricky28269: You wont be able to get past lvl 2 atm |
| 22:44:47 | Ricky28269 | that's ok with me :) |
| 22:44:48 | Kyomi | It's still fun though :) |
| 22:44:56 | Ricky28269 | it complains about a base wad |
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| 22:45:21 | kkurbjun | Kyomi, what player are you using? |
| 22:45:42 | Kyomi | iRiver H320 |
| 22:45:55 | Kyomi | The game loads fine |
| 22:45:57 | kkurbjun | toggle the hold switch, that enables run |
| 22:46:01 | Kyomi | lmao |
| 22:46:03 | Kyomi | dur |
| 22:46:11 | Kyomi | kkurbjun: What about strafe? |
| 22:46:11 | afruff23 | could someone make a nobb guide to uisimulator? the current one is way too complciated for people trying to make a WPS, but have no experience |
| 22:46:21 | Ricky28269 | kkurbjun, so doom doesn't work on ipod 5g right? |
| 22:46:35 | kkurbjun | and to play other wads put them in the addon directory under doom |
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| 22:46:43 | Kyomi | Ohh |
| 22:46:43 | kkurbjun | Ricky28269, no |
| 22:46:47 | Kyomi | There wasn't one |
| 22:46:58 | Kyomi | *has like.. 1700 wads she wants to try* |
| 22:47:02 | kkurbjun | then you can select other wads in the startup menu |
| 22:47:15 | Kyomi | Am I SOL about strafing though? |
| 22:47:31 | kkurbjun | I think that holding on and using the direction keys will strafe in the cvs |
| 22:47:32 | webguest03 | afruff23: what do you mean? The simulator is just the same as the regular firmware |
| 22:47:44 | Kyomi | hmmm |
| 22:47:45 | Kyomi | interesting |
| 22:48:00 | kkurbjun | amiconn, are you around? |
| 22:48:07 | afruff23 | the uisimulator requires compiling |
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| 22:48:16 | afruff23 | soemthing a nobb like me isn't skilled at |
| 22:48:17 | * | Kyomi demands rockdoom come with a manual |
| 22:48:17 | webguest03 | afruff23: Yes. So get too it! ;) |
| 22:48:27 | webguest03 | afruff23: There are instructions. Follow them. |
| 22:48:32 | * | Kyomi also demands that the music work... sooner or later |
| 22:48:33 | * | Ricky28269 demands rockdoom work on ipod 5g :S |
| 22:48:37 | afruff23 | it says I need cvs |
| 22:48:45 | afruff23 | but there are no isntructions on using cvs |
| 22:48:53 | kkurbjun | Kyomi, why don't you addon to the wiki page |
| 22:49:01 | webguest03 | afruff23: you need the cygwin environment as I said |
| 22:49:04 | webguest03 | afruff23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 22:49:09 | Kyomi | Where at? |
| 22:49:26 | afruff23 | yes, but before that, it says I need to downlaod stuff using CVS |
| 22:49:37 | kkurbjun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 22:49:43 | jay-k | ok folks - gotta pretend I have a job. thanks for the assistance earlier. Catch you another time! |
| 22:49:46 | Ricky28269 | where would i download a regular PC version of doom? |
| 22:49:48 | webguest03 | afruff23: no it doesn't |
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| 22:50:08 | afruff23 | so I could just download withou cvs right |
| 22:50:15 | afruff23 | just click on the repository |
| 22:50:27 | webguest03 | afruff23: you just do what that page tells you.. |
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| 22:51:09 | webguest03 | afruff23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots might be even easier to follow |
| 22:51:11 | afruff23 | I do and it tells me to first get stuff from cvs |
| 22:51:20 | webguest03 | afruff23: where? |
| 22:51:26 | afruff23 | on the uisimulator page |
| 22:51:38 | * | Ricky28269 has got to go now, but it's been fun. bye everyone! |
| 22:51:40 | | Part Ricky28269 |
| 22:51:42 | webguest03 | Why are you on the uisimulator page? |
| 22:51:52 | kkurbjun | Kyomi, also, there is another feature where you can play other demos (.lmp format) if they are placed in doom/Demos |
| 22:51:52 | afruff23 | because I want to sue the uisimulator... |
| 22:51:55 | afruff23 | use* |
| 22:52:07 | webguest03 | afruff23: You *need* a working cygwin installation first |
| 22:53:34 | Kyomi | Ohh |
| 22:53:38 | Kyomi | Another question for you |
| 22:54:10 | Kyomi | Has anyone been getting this problem: You plug in the usb cable and it works fine.. but the backlight time is reset to 2 seconds |
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| 22:54:42 | Kyomi | Even after you take it out it still stays at 2 sec |
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| 23:04:09 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 23:04:36 | Kyomi | kkurbjun: Whats the use of the Base Game option? |
| 23:04:45 | Kyomi | Select DoomI/II? |
| 23:05:11 | kkurbjun | Kyomi, you can run doom1 shareware, registered, retail, doom2, tnt, or plutonia |
| 23:05:22 | kkurbjun | those are the official id releases |
| 23:05:28 | Kyomi | o.O |
| 23:05:36 | Kyomi | I never even heard of tnt or plutonia |
| 23:05:46 | kkurbjun | I guess it also has support for french doom, but none of the language strings are in the game |
| 23:05:56 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 23:06:00 | Kyomi | With the addon folder |
| 23:06:10 | Kyomi | Is it just named "addon" inside the doom folder? |
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| 23:06:17 | kkurbjun | they were just commercial addons with id's backing |
| 23:06:17 | Kyomi | Because there wasn't one there when I go this |
| 23:06:26 | kkurbjun | yes, just Addon |
| 23:06:27 | Kyomi | got* |
| 23:06:34 | kkurbjun | or addons... one second |
| 23:06:43 | kkurbjun | nope, addons |
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| 23:09:29 | Kyomi | k |
| 23:09:40 | Kyomi | gonna test it now :) |
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| 23:11:19 | kkurbjun | Kyomi, one last thing is the addons and demo's only will show 10 in the list right now. |
| 23:12:27 | Kyomi | only 10 at a time or only 10 total? |
| 23:12:58 | Kyomi | Err... I think I overwhelmed it |
| 23:13:13 | Kyomi | It just says Select Addon: 3 |
| 23:13:19 | Kyomi | And it wont lemme change it |
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| 23:14:18 | kkurbjun | Kyomi, try it with just 10 in there, the addon code still needs work |
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| 23:14:35 | Kyomi | XD |
| 23:14:38 | Kyomi | I crashed it |
| 23:14:47 | Kyomi | With like the 6 million wads I have |
| 23:20:04 | Kyomi | Alright.. lets try it with 10 |
| 23:20:48 | Kyomi | I'm guessing it only displays a number just.. because it's like.. technically beta? |
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| 23:27:02 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 23:27:08 | Kyomi | It didn't didn't load it |
| 23:27:14 | Kyomi | It just loaded regular doom 2 |
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| 23:28:22 | Kyomi | And the hold button.. just holds him in place |
| 23:28:49 | Kyomi | :( |
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| 23:30:58 | Kyomi | nvm |
| 23:31:03 | Kyomi | Figured out the run |
| 23:31:10 | Kyomi | But the add-on thing still isn't working :( |
| 23:31:30 | Kyomi | And is there a way to make the left and right strafe without having to press the play button? |
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| 23:40:46 | Kyomi | Awwww |
| 23:40:55 | Kyomi | It's not regular Doom 2 anymore :( |
| 23:41:10 | Kyomi | There isn't a Time: something Par: something |
| 23:41:23 | Kyomi | haha |
| 23:41:24 | Kyomi | Wait |
| 23:41:33 | Kyomi | No.. it did load the map.. just... on level 2 |
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| 23:46:47 | Kyomi | brb |
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| 23:50:37 | petur | must be a new record for talking to yourself :D |
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| 23:52:45 | lostlogic | !monolog |
| 23:52:53 | lostlogic | lots of bots track that |
| 23:53:21 | petur | it 'll sure make it into the stats :) |
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