| 00:02:05 | XavierGr | amiconn: have you ever succeded into copy-pasting text from guestOS - hostOS (and vice versa) with vmware? |
| 00:02:37 | amiconn | Yes |
| 00:02:46 | XavierGr | windows-linux? |
| 00:02:50 | amiconn | Works fine here. But I think that requires vmware tools... |
| 00:03:11 | XavierGr | I just installed them. And all is working right except from this |
| 00:03:23 | XavierGr | (Shared folders, mouse universality e.t.c) |
| 00:03:37 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 00:03:48 | amiconn | I think it worked... but I can check |
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| 00:06:44 | XavierGr | I have checked all options to enable the feature but still each operating system keep its own clipboard |
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| 00:09:15 | bluebrother_ | is the archos player sim not capable of playing sound? |
| 00:09:26 | | Nick bluebrother_ is now known as bluebrother^ (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 00:10:09 | XavierGr | amiconn I just found the solution |
| 00:10:37 | XavierGr | You can't copy-paste from windows-linux with the shortcut ctrl-c and ctrl-v |
| 00:10:56 | XavierGr | instead you must use right-click->edit->copy |
| 00:12:08 | XavierGr | yup that's it |
| 00:12:16 | XavierGr | no more ctrl-c ctrl-v |
| 00:12:21 | XavierGr | strange though |
| 00:12:49 | XavierGr | I though that these hotkeys were shortcuts and didn't place the data to another part of memory |
| 00:12:56 | XavierGr | ^thought |
| 00:13:20 | XavierGr | now lets compile the cross-compiler |
| 00:14:20 | amiconn | ctrl-c and ctrl-v are working fine on the windows side |
| 00:14:50 | XavierGr | you mean copy pasteing inside windows |
| 00:14:52 | amiconn | In the linux console, ctrl-c is taken |
| 00:15:12 | XavierGr | try this ctrl-c on windows and then copy on linux |
| 00:15:15 | amiconn | ...so the gnome terminal uses shift-ctrl-c and shift-ctrl-v instead |
| 00:15:22 | XavierGr | hmm |
| 00:15:24 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes, I tried that, it works |
| 00:15:26 | sharpe | i am having... problems... |
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| 00:30:53 | enzyme | ok i got a new problem i think i fucked my ipod |
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| 00:31:15 | sharpe | howso? |
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| 00:31:48 | Massa_ | Nico_P, are you online? |
| 00:31:58 | Nico_P | i am |
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| 00:32:27 | Massa_ | I have found the problem I have with the latest album art patches |
| 00:32:46 | Nico_P | what is it ? |
| 00:33:05 | Massa_ | look at the function wps_reset in apps\gui\gwps.c |
| 00:33:07 | enzyme | its on the rockbox bootloader, it says partion 1:0x08 28mb then loading after that rockbox error -1 loading original firmware then keeps repeating, it doesnt show me a disk drive nothing |
| 00:33:25 | Massa_ | You reset the album art loading there - which is not good! |
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| 00:33:40 | Nico_P | why ? |
| 00:33:49 | sharpe | error -1 is where the firmware isn't on the ipod if i remember correctly, try copying 'rockbox.ipod' to the root of the ipod. |
| 00:34:12 | Massa_ | Because this function will be called twice, once with data pointer to main device WPS and the second time with data pointer to remote (if present) |
| 00:34:15 | enzyme | i cant i plug my ipod in the computer and it doesnt show up |
| 00:34:51 | sharpe | while booting your ipod, hold menu and select when you first see the apple logo, and then when it's in disk mode, try then... |
| 00:34:59 | Nico_P | Massa: and so what does it do wrong ? i didn't see any problem |
| 00:35:38 | Massa_ | 1.) wps_reset is called for the main device - it also resets the album art loading. |
| 00:35:55 | sharpe | er, hold play and select... menu and select is to reboot. |
| 00:36:20 | Massa_ | 2.) set_load_album_art(true) is called because the tag '%C' for main device has been found |
| 00:36:45 | Massa_ | 3.) wps_reset for remote device is called -> reset of album art loading again!!!! |
| 00:36:53 | Massa_ | And that's the problem! |
| 00:36:55 | enzyme | thank god ok it is in disc mode now |
| 00:37:08 | sharpe | :) |
| 00:37:11 | Massa_ | It happens if your main wps is defined before your remote wps in the theme.... |
| 00:37:15 | sharpe | try copying the firmware to it then |
| 00:38:11 | Nico_P | ok i'll look at it... |
| 00:38:24 | Massa_ | Maybe the album_art loading flag could be part of the wps_data structure? |
| 00:38:33 | Nico_P | just need to get my sim to work again |
| 00:38:46 | Massa_ | Why doesn't it work? |
| 00:39:10 | Nico_P | i don'tknow, it crashes when i start it |
| 00:39:33 | Massa_ | Did you have a look inside stderr.txt? |
| 00:39:34 | Nico_P | since i did cvs up earlyer today after the commit for the recording screen |
| 00:40:11 | Massa_ | Hmm - it still works here... - but I'm not sure if I'm up to date :) |
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| 00:40:38 | Nico_P | i don't have a stderr file |
| 00:40:39 | Massa_ | Shall I solve the problem and provide a patch? |
| 00:40:52 | Massa_ | What is your environment? |
| 00:41:05 | Nico_P | if you want... maybe you could also include the changes you made some time ago :) |
| 00:41:13 | Nico_P | i'm on kubuntu linux |
| 00:41:25 | Massa_ | They are already integrated here ;) |
| 00:41:44 | enzyme | so sharpe, ok so should i install the old firm ware with ipodupdater and try rockbox |
| 00:41:54 | Massa_ | BTW, has paprica changed something in the resizing? |
| 00:41:54 | Nico_P | settings_reset() |
| 00:41:58 | Nico_P | reload_all_settings() |
| 00:42:02 | Nico_P | load_config_buffer() |
| 00:42:06 | Nico_P | Reading sector 3D |
| 00:42:10 | Nico_P | load_config_buffer: header & checksum test ok |
| 00:42:14 | Nico_P | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/Nicolas_albumart.wps' |
| 00:42:15 | Nico_P | Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 00:42:15 | Nico_P | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x62)! |
| 00:42:15 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Nico_P |
| 00:42:15 | Nico_P | *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7e98838 *** |
| 00:42:16 | Nico_P | Abandon |
| 00:42:34 | sharpe | enzyme: you could try |
| 00:42:48 | Massa_ | Hmm, I'm too lazy and use cygwin :) |
| 00:43:02 | Nico_P | Massa: i haven't got anything new from Paprica since the last thing i gave you |
| 00:43:12 | Nico_P | and did you save that code ? i forgot to do so... |
| 00:43:21 | Massa_ | (I have a SuSE Linux - but didn't manage to install the cross compilers) |
| 00:43:30 | Massa_ | Yes I did save it. |
| 00:43:38 | amiconn | Nico_P: use gdb and check the backtrace when it crashes |
| 00:43:58 | Massa_ | I just wonder if Paprica wants to create a patch for the bitmap resizing code... |
| 00:44:12 | Bger | wow, the manual is becoming very good ... |
| 00:44:28 | Massa_ | Hi amiconn, do you have knowledge about the peakmeter? |
| 00:44:59 | amiconn | a bit... |
| 00:45:05 | Massa_ | At least your name is coming up when looking at the CVS history :D |
| 00:45:15 | enzyme | thanks for your helo sharpe |
| 00:45:23 | sharpe | you're welcome enzyme |
| 00:45:37 | Massa_ | Did you notice, that the peakmeter has some (random?) pixel spots between left and right bar? |
| 00:45:52 | midkay | they aren't random. |
| 00:45:54 | midkay | they're scale. |
| 00:45:59 | midkay | i believe each represents 10db.. |
| 00:46:03 | Nico_P | amiconn: it seems to crash when applying the settings... |
| 00:46:08 | midkay | or 10% of the scale.. |
| 00:46:13 | amiconn | Massa: They're not random, they're scale marks |
| 00:46:13 | Nico_P | how can i reset them in the sim ? |
| 00:46:34 | amiconn | Nico_P: Just delete sector3D.bin |
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| 00:47:06 | Nico_P | aaah now it works again |
| 00:47:07 | enzyme | i was woundering did one find a patch for the file skipping with large bitrates |
| 00:47:12 | Nico_P | thanks amiconn |
| 00:48:36 | Massa_ | midkay: I used the function peak_meter_draw and also used the x and width parameter (it's not screen size) and the spots are outside x and (x+width). |
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| 00:49:04 | midkay | Massa, then they must assume full-LCD width.. |
| 00:49:13 | midkay | you could fix that.. :) |
| 00:49:16 | Massa_ | midkay: they always use the whole screen width. |
| 00:49:24 | midkay | Massa, so, that's a bug. |
| 00:49:47 | Massa_ | midkay: any idea were to look at? |
| 00:50:09 | midkay | find where the scale is drawn. i think in peak_meter_draw or whatever. i was in that code last night.. |
| 00:50:11 | Massa_ | Are the spots the peak_meter_scale_value ? |
| 00:51:08 | midkay | not sure. |
| 00:51:38 | midkay | probably the only instances of "drawpixel" in the code, though.. |
| 00:52:21 | Massa_ | Yes, you're write there is a comment above "draw dots for scale marks" ;) |
| 00:52:22 | sharpe | wow, that seems oddly logical. |
| 00:52:25 | amiconn | The peakmeter needs some work anyway. Simplify code, make it more readable, implement a better fixed point logarithm and exponential function... |
| 00:53:04 | Massa_ | amiconn: slow down a bit - I don't even understand the code atm.... |
| 00:53:23 | amiconn | I had some ideas for that quite some months ago, but obviously I can't work on all parts of rockbox at the same time |
| 00:53:44 | Zoide777 | oh but of course you can :D |
| 00:53:47 | Zoide777 | just kidding.... |
| 00:53:57 | Massa_ | and of course you do already :D |
| 00:54:02 | Bger | nite ;) |
| 00:54:06 | Massa_ | just kidding, too ;) |
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| 00:55:22 | Zoide777 | Massa_: you forgot the other guy, amiconn_ (with the underscore). he's the one who does everything else |
| 00:55:34 | Zoide777 | :P |
| 00:55:43 | amiconn | %$&§ |
| 00:56:36 | Zoide777 | hehehe |
| 00:56:56 | Massa_ | Wow - two person, that means each one has 24 hours a day time for rockbox - that'll be enough :-p |
| 00:57:15 | Doomed9 | lol |
| 00:58:27 | Massa_ | But it seems, I'm also a bit schizophrenic - and exist as "Massa" and "Massa_" ;) |
| 00:58:47 | sharpe | actually, generally schizophrenia isn't 'split personalities' |
| 00:59:11 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:59:11 | * | amiconn summons Bagder |
| 00:59:11 | sharpe | contrary to popular belief... |
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| 01:00:25 | Massa_ | Yeah - sometimes there already multiple personalities - would really help for rockbox development :-P |
| 01:00:56 | sharpe | i need to figure out... how i'm going to get this to work... |
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| 01:03:12 | sharpe | ... i just realized something... |
| 01:03:58 | sharpe | and, it's going to make me sad and lonely the next week. |
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| 01:04:22 | Massa_ | what? |
| 01:04:56 | sharpe | actually, it'll probably also be depressing saturday/sunday. |
| 01:05:27 | sharpe | and more like a personal problem. |
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| 01:07:08 | Massa_ | So what? Don't let us die unsespectingly! |
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| 01:08:37 | sharpe | eh, it's okay. don't worry about it :D |
| 01:09:00 | Mikachu | i don't know if this saying exists in english, but "if you say A, you have to say B" |
| 01:09:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't speak German, but I was looking at your deutsch.lang commit - did you mean to write "Equalizer" in some places, and "Eualizer" in others in the voice strings? |
| 01:09:28 | amiconn | Ahem, typo... |
| 01:10:22 | Nico_P | Massa: wps_data_preload_tags(), which is where the album art boolean is set, is called after all the wps_reset() calls |
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| 01:10:45 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, what's the screenheight of the ipod video? |
| 01:10:58 | sharpe | 240... |
| 01:11:02 | linuxstb | If you mean pixels, it's 320x240 |
| 01:11:43 | Nico_P | linuxstb: have you had a look at my latest album art patch (v4.0), or at least read the comment i posted with it ? |
| 01:12:08 | kkurbjun | ok, thanks, I'm adding back in all of prbooms high resolution support so when the ipod video works it will be actually using that screen space rather then just doubling some lines |
| 01:12:20 | Massa_ | Nico_P: When I look at my logging I see first "we open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/mywps.wps'" |
| 01:12:45 | Massa_ | Nico_P: and then I see the first wps_reset call with data pointer for main device |
| 01:12:55 | | Part pfavr |
| 01:13:06 | Massa_ | Nico_P: after that wps_data_preload_tags will be called (for main device) |
| 01:13:23 | Nico_P | Massa: opening the wps file happens just before resetting the wps |
| 01:13:25 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, I read the comment. |
| 01:13:49 | Massa_ | Nico_P: after more loading of bitmaps and so on I see "We open the real file 'archo/.rockbox/wps/mywps.rwps'" |
| 01:14:09 | Massa_ | Nico_P: and then another call to wps_reset - now with data pointer for the remote... |
| 01:14:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:14:38 | Massa_ | Nico_P: ... but the rwps does (of course) not contain a '%C' tag ;) |
| 01:15:05 | sharpe | gah... |
| 01:15:17 | enzyme | sharpe another question, i got rockbox on good it works but when ever i turn off my ipod by pressing menu and select it turns off then i turns on agian |
| 01:15:31 | sharpe | turn it off by holding play |
| 01:15:33 | amiconn | Zoide777: Could you please test lcd flip again? Same link as before, new rockbox.ipod... |
| 01:15:33 | Nico_P | Massa: ok i see what you mean and i've managed to reproduce :) |
| 01:15:39 | sharpe | menu+select is to restart :) |
| 01:15:54 | Nico_P | i used the rockbox defualt rwps so it never got loaded |
| 01:16:10 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what do you think about it ? |
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| 01:16:38 | Massa_ | Nico_P: as far as I understand you added the load_album_art flag to playback.c because you have no direct access to the wps_data there - right? |
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| 01:16:50 | Zoide777 | amiconn: ok |
| 01:16:52 | Nico_P | exactly |
| 01:17:01 | Zoide777 | amiconn: just a sec |
| 01:17:16 | sharpe | blarr!! i still can't fix this. |
| 01:17:43 | Mikachu | nu nununu, can't fix this. i told you homeboy, can't fix this |
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| 01:17:58 | Massa_ | Isn't there any possibility to put that information into playbackc from wps? |
| 01:18:04 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think you gave up too easily :) |
| 01:18:33 | Mikachu | if you write IPOG_4G_PAD instead of IPOD_4G_PAD, it doesn't work |
| 01:18:34 | Massa_ | linuxstb: LOL |
| 01:18:43 | amiconn | Cassandra: are you around? |
| 01:18:47 | enzyme | any way to make the .rockbox file invisible |
| 01:18:50 | sharpe | hmm... i want an ipog... |
| 01:18:59 | sharpe | yes... |
| 01:19:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: maybe, but i'm going to have very little time soon, so i think it's just easier to wait for the new system |
| 01:19:34 | Nico_P | and i just couldn't find what was wrong on my test patches |
| 01:19:44 | sharpe | enzyme, general settings->file view->show files->all |
| 01:19:56 | Nico_P | maybe if someone shows me my mistakes i'll be able to make some progress |
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| 01:20:32 | sharpe | mmm... |
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| 01:21:15 | sharpe | i need to fix the redeclaration error... but without including 'gwps.h' in 'plugin.h' my plugin doesn't work :D |
| 01:21:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there a reason why the confirmation button is Play and not Select on iPod? |
| 01:21:56 | amiconn | Is it just to conform with the UI string? |
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| 01:22:13 | Mikachu | i think it's so you don't accidentally double press select |
| 01:22:37 | Mikachu | and if it wasn't why, that's a good reason to keep it on play |
| 01:22:44 | amiconn | Well, then iPod users are deemed extremely clumsy. |
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| 01:23:05 | amiconn | On all other targets, the confirmation button is the same as the main selection button |
| 01:23:28 | amiconn | (Play on archos players/recorders, Right on Ondio, Select on H1x0, Navi on H300) |
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| 01:24:04 | amiconn | The strings will soon be adustable for each target |
| 01:24:13 | * | amiconn prods Bagder again |
| 01:24:27 | Zoide777 | amiconn: what should i test? |
| 01:25:08 | amiconn | Are there display shifts now in flip mode? |
| 01:25:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it was both those reasons - to be consistent with the UI, and also because I think it's better to have confirmation of a dangerous action to be a different button to the one that brings up that action. |
| 01:25:40 | Zoide777 | no, but there weren't last time either, right? |
| 01:25:45 | amiconn | No |
| 01:26:02 | amiconn | I changed some things internally, and wanted to make sure it still works |
| 01:26:16 | Zoide777 | ah, ok. everything seems fine |
| 01:26:26 | amiconn | It would be great if you could test oscilloscope |
| 01:26:54 | amiconn | What I want to know is whether it draws correctly before it starts scrolling |
| 01:27:13 | Mikachu | i don't think anyone answered this earlier, is it okay to add a semi-finished plugin to the patches tracker even if it isn't ready for inclusion? |
| 01:27:15 | Zoide777 | upside down + inverted, or just normal? |
| 01:27:23 | Zoide777 | well, i'll do both anyway :D |
| 01:27:32 | amiconn | Both upside down and normal. |
| 01:27:50 | amiconn | Invert should always work |
| 01:28:03 | amiconn | It's a simple function of the LCD controller |
| 01:28:46 | Zoide777 | upside down works, as does normal |
| 01:29:01 | Zoide777 | the only problem is that there are gaps in the playback, but that's always been a bug |
| 01:29:10 | Zoide777 | or limitation/etc |
| 01:29:36 | amiconn | Yes, playback can't keep up with higher bitrate mp3 if you also use the EQ, or do some other CPU-consuming stuff |
| 01:29:56 | amiconn | The mp3 decoder needs more optimisation for the arm cpu |
| 01:30:13 | amiconn | We need to prod preglow |
| 01:30:17 | Zoide777 | yup... i'd definitely help out if i could, but i don't know how |
| 01:30:21 | Zoide777 | ah, yes, preglow |
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| 01:31:07 | amiconn | Well, while I usually like to do low-level stuff and asm, I don't understand enough about audiocodecs in order to optimise them |
| 01:31:12 | Mikachu | if i do int foo[40][40], can i assume it is zeroed? |
| 01:31:21 | amiconn | Besides, I need to learn arm asm fisrt |
| 01:31:37 | Mikachu | he told me you could do some optimizations without using arm |
| 01:31:53 | linuxstb | Was he talking in general or about libmad? |
| 01:31:54 | amiconn | Yes, maybe, for the codecs |
| 01:31:57 | Mikachu | not sure |
| 01:32:09 | * | amiconn needs to learn arm asm for porting the grayscale lib |
| 01:32:49 | amiconn | Zoide777: Btw, the 4-pixel shift was because I did a silly miscalculation. Our controller is a plain HD66753... |
| 01:32:54 | Zoide777 | mikachu: or maybe he meant the display part? since i suppose that's always the thing: playback + display = gaps if any of the two are inefficient enough for the aggregate |
| 01:33:06 | Mikachu | i think he meant codecs |
| 01:33:42 | Zoide777 | amiconn: phew! at least there's no secret conspiracy of spec mislead-ery by apple |
| 01:33:48 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: i see |
| 01:35:42 | amiconn | Zoide777: One reason for implementing flip was to learn more about the lcd controller.... |
| 01:35:51 | amiconn | I'll need this for porting the grayscale lib |
| 01:36:26 | Mikachu | in case anyone else wondered, the array is not zeroed automatically :) |
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| 01:36:53 | amiconn | I will probably need a tester in a few days. It's necessary to run a 'tuner' plugin to figure out the exact refresh frequency of the lcd |
| 01:37:04 | Zoide777 | amiconn: the holy grail! the key to grayscale inclusion into the wonderful world of for-color plugins/games... |
| 01:37:15 | Zoide777 | awesome |
| 01:37:22 | * | amiconn wants jpeg display on his mini |
| 01:37:37 | * | Zoide777 wants jpeg display on his 4g grayscale |
| 01:37:44 | amiconn | hehe :-) |
| 01:38:07 | amiconn | Better jpeg display than ipl can do :-P |
| 01:39:08 | linuxstb | Are you planning on investigating the Apple firmware lcd issue? |
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| 01:39:20 | Zoide777 | with grayscale lib in rockbox, ipl should reaaaally consider joining forces |
| 01:39:23 | Zoide777 | imho of course |
| 01:40:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have a suspicion. It seems the apple firmware uses a different mode of the lcd controller. If we set the proper mode, the apple firmware should no longer be mirrored |
| 01:40:57 | amiconn | Zoide777: Btw, how does the apple firmware look on 4g if you start it via the rockbox loader? |
| 01:41:10 | amiconn | Only mirrored horizontally, or also vertically? |
| 01:41:18 | webguest16 | Hmm, I thought that my ipod was charging while it was playing and connected to usb charger. But it stopped playing a a certain time. When I checked in apple firmware the battery was completely empty. |
| 01:41:59 | webguest16 | SO it doesn't seem to be charging when using rockbox :( |
| 01:42:15 | Zoide777 | amiconn: i'm not sure if i had installed one of linuxstb's builds, where he had fixed the orientation |
| 01:42:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: You did fix it? |
| 01:42:52 | herz42 | webguest16: charging over usb in rockbox is limited to 100mA what can be less than the player consumes on playback |
| 01:42:57 | linuxstb | amiconn: I avoided the problem... I disabled the lcd_init (and writes) in the bootloader. |
| 01:43:13 | amiconn | So Zoide777's loader doesn't display anything? |
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| 01:43:40 | linuxstb | Nothing at all. |
| 01:43:56 | sharpe | grr... |
| 01:43:58 | amiconn | Hmm. Is that the version in the wiki? |
| 01:44:01 | Zoide777 | i just see an apple and then rockbox comes up |
| 01:44:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, just on my own website. |
| 01:44:14 | Zoide777 | or the ipod os if i hold Play |
| 01:44:21 | Zoide777 | (no flipping or any other strange thing) |
| 01:44:22 | linuxstb | The bootloaders on the wiki page are from CVS. |
| 01:44:29 | amiconn | Okay, so you have the print-nothing loader |
| 01:45:09 | amiconn | I would be interested how the apple firmware looks when started via the bootloader in the wiki |
| 01:45:12 | Mikachu | linuxstb: looks like you left an incorrect comment in sudoku |
| 01:45:28 | linuxstb | Which one...? |
| 01:45:29 | Mikachu | case 0: /* Save state */ should be something else |
| 01:45:49 | Mikachu | playback_control(rb); |
| 01:45:54 | webguest16 | herz42: is it proosble to increase that value |
| 01:46:05 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, thanks. |
| 01:46:39 | Nico_P | Massa: i solved the problem... |
| 01:46:53 | herz42 | webguest16: we don't know the way to activate that highpower charging. maybe someone finds it sometime |
| 01:47:06 | webguest16 | It's pretty essential to me and many persons I think that I can plug it in and let it play all day long |
| 01:47:18 | Massa_ | Nico_P: I too :) |
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| 01:47:34 | Nico_P | how did you do it ? |
| 01:47:43 | Massa_ | Nico_P: but it's not very good - it's just a hack... |
| 01:47:44 | Nico_P | i just removed the boolean in playback.c |
| 01:48:12 | | Quit JoeBorn (Nick collision from services.) |
| 01:48:13 | Nico_P | i didn't find a way to prevent the rwps from resetting it to false |
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| 01:48:31 | obo | Could someone look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 |
| 01:48:33 | Massa_ | Nico_P: and how do you transfer the flag to playback.c? |
| 01:48:33 | webguest16 | hope someone finds it :) How do you know there is a highpower charging mode? |
| 01:48:45 | obo | Could it be committed, or is it not wanted or post-Mayday? |
| 01:48:59 | Massa_ | Nico_P: I did just a detection in wps_reset and only reset it for the main device... |
| 01:49:16 | Nico_P | that seems better |
| 01:49:57 | herz42 | webguest16: there is some documentation for the charging ic that shows a highpower pin. so I assume that is somehow connected to the main cpu |
| 01:50:01 | Massa_ | Nico_P: but it's much better to remove the additional flag itself - but I couldn't find a methode to transfer the data from wps_data structure to playback... |
| 01:51:52 | herz42 | webguest16: there are some power adapters available (like most car adapters) that charge with 12V. With them the charging is faster and the ipod will run directly from mains -> can't drain the battery |
| 01:51:54 | Nico_P | yes but even if playback.c could read wps_data, why wouldn't it read the one for the remote ? you see what i mean ? |
| 01:53:05 | Nico_P | could you show me just the detection part ? |
| 01:53:13 | Massa_ | Nico_P: No, I don't see it. When the already existing flag wps_has_albumart inside the structure wps_data could be used, it would distinguish between remote and main (remote has it's own structure instance...) |
| 01:55:01 | Massa_ | Nico_P: I added an additional parameter to wps_reset and used gwps->display->screen_type; if this type == SCREEN_MAIN then I reset the flag... |
| 01:55:35 | Massa_ | Or is it possible to get the screen_type when you only have a wps_data structure? |
| 01:55:38 | Nico_P | that's much better than what i did |
| 01:55:52 | Nico_P | i don't think so |
| 01:56:11 | Massa_ | It's bad hack - I didn't want to add an additional parameter to wps_reset :( |
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| 01:57:23 | Massa_ | How did you get rid of the flag itself? |
| 01:58:22 | Nico_P | i removed the one from playback.c, so now get_metadata() will always look for an album art, even if the wps doesn't have the tag... |
| 01:58:27 | * | amiconn just found his asm optimised ata recording transfer loop that he thought was lost :-) |
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| 01:59:40 | Massa_ | amiconn, do you know if it's possible to get the screen type if you only have a wps_data structure? |
| 01:59:54 | Nico_P | Massa: ok i see what you meant about it being dirty |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:06 | Nico_P | sorry for being so slow, i'm really sleepy |
| 02:01:09 | Massa_ | Nico_P: me too, I just wanted to finish it, make it clean and remove my debug output, put it on the patch tracker and then go to bed! |
| 02:01:28 | Nico_P | i'm putting mine right now :) |
| 02:01:45 | Massa_ | Nico_P: But now I think, I'll go directly and finish the patch tomorrow ;) |
| 02:02:00 | Massa_ | I can't think anymore... |
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| 02:02:35 | Massa_ | Maybe I find a solution tomorrow... or better: later this day :D |
| 02:03:18 | Nico_P | posted... |
| 02:03:29 | Nico_P | now i'm going to bed |
| 02:03:50 | sharpe | yay |
| 02:03:51 | Massa_ | Good night! I'm going, too! |
| 02:03:56 | sharpe | i think i've solved the problem i had |
| 02:03:57 | Nico_P | gnight ;) |
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| 02:09:07 | Zoide777 | i'm a bit surprised by the april fool's joke on the ipodlinux forums.... |
| 02:09:21 | Zoide777 | they basically wiped out all the sections (temporarily i assume) |
| 02:10:33 | linuxstb | I thought April fools jokes were meant to end at midday. Or is that just a British rule? |
| 02:10:52 | sharpe | it depends on the region... |
| 02:10:57 | sharpe | canada does that too |
| 02:11:14 | Zoide777 | well, it's april 02 on the posts in the ipl forum |
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| 02:13:09 | Zoide777 | i don't understand what's with the bird on the ipl homepage & forums |
| 02:13:58 | realnick2 | It's a forum-sub-culture icon, thingy |
| 02:14:06 | realnick2 | usually accompanied by the phrase "O RLY" |
| 02:14:09 | Zoide777 | ah ok |
| 02:14:17 | Zoide777 | and what do those letters mean? |
| 02:14:17 | realnick2 | Pretty infamous by now |
| 02:14:23 | realnick2 | Oh really? |
| 02:14:46 | ScootScat | ya rly |
| 02:14:53 | realnick2 | no wai!!! |
| 02:14:54 | Zoide777 | ah i see |
| 02:14:58 | Zoide777 | hehe |
| 02:15:08 | ScootScat | ya wai!! |
| 02:15:17 | realnick2 | (there are ya rly, no wai and ya wai owls as well) |
| 02:15:21 | realnick2 | It's very, very silly |
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| 02:20:47 | Zoide777 | i agree |
| 02:21:10 | Mikachu | the JPEG_NEXT define in jpeg.c for ipods doesn't work... |
| 02:21:35 | sharpe | hrm... well, the compiling error is solved, now to work on, getting it to work correctly now |
| 02:21:57 | Mikachu | only very sporadically |
| 02:22:54 | sharpe | i saw "chessclock.rock" as "cheesecloth.rock" |
| 02:24:22 | sharpe | there's a sequel to the garfield movie apparently. |
| 02:25:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: I can now boot apple fw with a button press in the bootloader... |
| 02:25:32 | linuxstb | Reliably? |
| 02:25:42 | Mikachu | O RELIABLY? |
| 02:25:44 | Mikachu | sorry :) |
| 02:25:49 | amiconn | Well, as shaky as on the other iPods, I think |
| 02:26:15 | amiconn | You have to press the button at The Right Time(tm) to make it work |
| 02:26:31 | linuxstb | Yes, that 10ms window of opportunity... |
| 02:26:44 | amiconn | (and it's mirrored) |
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| 02:29:31 | amiconn | Was just a matter of changing an #ifdef - the mini 1g has a special button read while the mini 2g uses the opto_ stuff |
| 02:29:56 | JdGordon | when is the manual gonna be built automagically? |
| 02:30:10 | realnick2 | it is |
| 02:30:11 | amiconn | Btw, regarding preglow's piezo work - I think the piezo shouldn't be hard-linked to the button driver. |
| 02:30:22 | realnick2 | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 02:30:23 | linuxstb | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 02:30:29 | amiconn | The piezo should have its own driver, with the app deciding when to click |
| 02:30:33 | JdGordon | oh, ta |
| 02:30:47 | JdGordon | nearly 100pages! bloody hell... |
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| 02:31:19 | BHSPitLappy | man rockbox |
| 02:31:20 | BHSPitLappy | :) |
| 02:31:27 | * | amiconn needs to make a 4-gray rockbox logo for the mini lcd |
| 02:31:50 | * | Zoide777 agrees with everything amiconn says today |
| 02:32:06 | muesli- | get married ;) |
| 02:32:12 | Zoide777 | haha |
| 02:32:21 | Zoide777 | but that's a bit of a contradiction |
| 02:32:25 | Zoide777 | married people never agree |
| 02:32:38 | muesli- | mmh...so get divorced ;) |
| 02:32:48 | Zoide777 | i suppose |
| 02:35:59 | sharpe | advil time |
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| 02:41:18 | Zoide777 | amiconn: need any more tests? if not, i'll get going now |
| 02:42:45 | * | realnick2 just noticed something |
| 02:43:03 | realnick2 | IPL has a "Recent SVN activity", Rockbox has "Recent CVS activity" |
| 02:43:29 | realnick2 | Why not simply, "Recent development activity"? That'd make more sense to real people |
| 02:43:56 | Zoide777 | question: does the grayscale lcd consume more power with inverse mode? (i.e. do black pixels draw more power than white ones?) |
| 02:44:26 | Zoide777 | realnick2: no offense to the projects, but they don't seem very user-friendly |
| 02:44:35 | Zoide777 | or rather, they are very developer-oriented |
| 02:44:53 | realnick2 | IPL seems downright user-hostile at times |
| 02:44:55 | JdGordon | its all a plot to scare off uber-idiots.. |
| 02:44:58 | Zoide777 | as projects; as a product, i'd say at least rockbox is pretty user friendly |
| 02:45:07 | Zoide777 | once it's on the player |
| 02:45:24 | Zoide777 | installation is a bit too technical for the average ipod user, i'd say |
| 02:45:41 | Zoide777 | yeah, ipl is kind of a scary place |
| 02:46:09 | | Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") |
| 02:46:29 | Zoide777 | average forum thread: "umm, how do I do XYZ?" "wtf! RTFM u lus3r! this has been asked a million times before" etc |
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| 02:47:37 | Zoide777 | strange: the debug info screen for the tagcache thread says "Current progress 100%", but the hard drive is still doing stuff and the icon is on |
| 02:47:38 | sharpe | don't forget "try using the search feature" |
| 02:47:55 | ashridah | i love it when forums do that |
| 02:48:08 | ashridah | and then you try to search for something, and their search page tells you it's "temporarily disabled" |
| 02:48:12 | Zoide777 | sharpe: oh yes, that too. but sometimes that's too helpful of a reply, since it *is* helping the poster by giving a suggestion |
| 02:48:21 | sharpe | heh |
| 02:49:23 | Zoide777 | ok, so no one thinks I'm lying.... this is the fourth thread down from the stickies in the "Installation from Windows" section of the IPL forum: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9146 |
| 02:49:24 | Zoide777 | hahaha |
| 02:49:33 | sharpe | gah, the only way i'll get my plugin to work is if i have it a certain way... and if i do that, it breaks doom |
| 02:49:56 | Zoide777 | wow, those guys are veritable assholes |
| 02:50:12 | Zoide777 | instead of getting a sandbag they just tear forum newbies to pieces |
| 02:50:13 | sharpe | they seem so nice. |
| 02:50:17 | Zoide777 | haha |
| 02:50:41 | sharpe | why don't they just close forum registration, so they don't have to bitch at people? :) |
| 02:50:54 | realnick2 | That'd be suicide |
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| 02:51:12 | realnick2 | eventually there'd only be one of them left, and he'd beat himself to death after a while |
| 02:51:21 | sharpe | heh |
| 02:51:31 | Zoide777 | but then the only people left are the 1337 kr3w that knows how to find things or even better, knows them already :P |
| 02:51:36 | Zoide777 | yes |
| 02:51:38 | sharpe | "Now, shut the fuck up and search before asking. |
| 02:51:38 | sharpe | (sorry for bitching at you, but there is already to many people that asks questions like this) |
| 02:51:49 | realnick2 | Classy |
| 02:51:55 | sharpe | witty satire, i say. |
| 02:52:42 | Zoide777 | the funny thing is that sharpe isn't even making that up: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9146 (third post) |
| 02:52:47 | Mikachu | are any of those actually involved in the ipl project? |
| 02:52:52 | sharpe | anyone have any suggestions to my dilemma? :D |
| 02:53:19 | sharpe | nope... i would imagine they're 'expierence users' |
| 02:53:41 | sharpe | experienced. |
| 02:53:43 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: i hope not; i also doubt it, since i can't imagine how they'd be able to work together to make the project work |
| 02:54:00 | sharpe | heh... nobody would get anything done. |
| 02:54:16 | Mikachu | it seems forums attract a certain kind of people |
| 02:54:22 | Zoide777 | now to be fair to some of the cruel posters, it seems that some of the newbies are *extraordinarily* lost |
| 02:55:19 | Zoide777 | and sometimes it's very sad to read... check out the last 4 posts on the link i pasted before |
| 02:55:33 | realnick2 | Yeah |
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| 02:55:51 | realnick2 | It's so very hard to respond to people who are lost to that degree |
| 02:56:07 | muesli- | JdGordon r u arround? |
| 02:56:30 | Zoide777 | and there seem to be plenty of them on the ipl forums. sometimes i wonder if some of those are just ppl who are pretending to have questions and are just joking around / trolling |
| 02:56:31 | JdGordon | i r |
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| 02:56:47 | JdGordon | muesli-: wassup? |
| 02:57:00 | muesli- | do you know when the race starts? |
| 02:57:03 | * | realnick2 hands JdGordon and muesli- a bucket of spare characters |
| 02:57:07 | Zoide777 | OMG look at this thread, hahaha http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8975 |
| 02:57:19 | JdGordon | muesli-: the f1? about 2 isnt it? |
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| 02:57:40 | muesli- | dunno, its 3am up under ;) |
| 02:58:13 | realnick2 | Zoide777: Jesus Christ on a pogostick.. I mean the first post is bad, but the responses aren't better... |
| 02:58:52 | JdGordon | muesli-: ye, 2pm.. |
| 02:58:57 | Zoide777 | I mean, sorry to keep talking about the ipl forums so much, but it's just too funny. I think there must be a big group of people who just post over there for the hell of it to make a big joke out of the whole thing |
| 02:59:04 | JdGordon | 3 hours |
| 02:59:09 | muesli- | mmh |
| 02:59:14 | sharpe | i've got... 8pm... |
| 02:59:30 | muesli- | 8pm? |
| 02:59:34 | muesli- | in the us? |
| 02:59:37 | sharpe | si |
| 02:59:47 | muesli- | ah si claro |
| 02:59:47 | JdGordon | haha. they are doing the bmw Vs v8 Vs f1 race again :D |
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| 03:00 |
| 03:00:11 | realnick2 | So, how many hours to the F1? |
| 03:00:13 | Zoide777 | ooohhh.... they even threaten people: "yeah, and if you want an installer make one, read the rules dont be a jackass or a post whore and the rules say dont beg for new features....you dont wanna end up like jordy now do you" |
| 03:00:20 | JdGordon | realnick2: 3 |
| 03:01:33 | realnick2 | JdGordon: alright, thanks |
| 03:02:58 | sharpe | blarRR! |
| 03:03:17 | sharpe | so far, like three hours spent of trying to fix my problem |
| 03:03:22 | Zoide777 | hahaha... it seems the rockbox forums are getting a bit of the ipl flavor. the latest thread is called: "WTF is Rockbox?!?!?!?!" |
| 03:03:29 | Zoide777 | (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3284.0) |
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| 03:04:11 | sharpe | yeah, but without the hateful replies |
| 03:05:10 | Zoide777 | *exactly* |
| 03:05:28 | realnick2 | It's a happy ending! |
| 03:05:38 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:06:31 | Zoide777 | heh... I've noticed it usually comes down to Llorean giving very, very patient advice |
| 03:06:49 | Zoide777 | he seems very dedicated |
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| 03:07:33 | sharpe | okay, i'm all out of ideas. |
| 03:07:56 | Zoide777 | sharpe: compressed wps? |
| 03:08:22 | sharpe | no, the uncompressed wps plugin, *not* breaking doom's functionality to compile. |
| 03:08:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zoide777: I'm Llorean. :) Thanks. |
| 03:09:23 | Zoide777 | Paul_The_Nerd: I didn't know that! sorry to "talk behind your back" hehe... but you're welcome, I really think your contributions to the forum are invaluable |
| 03:09:40 | muesli- | Bg3r? |
| 03:09:52 | sharpe | the only way the wpz plugin works, is if i add the neccessary function to the plugin api, and include 'gwps.h' in 'plugin.h', and when i do that, doom gives an error while compiling about the redefiniton of 'screens' |
| 03:10:09 | Zoide777 | sharpe: sorry, can't help you with that |
| 03:10:13 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:10:14 | Zoide777 | gotta go anyway |
| 03:10:17 | Zoide777 | bye everyone |
| 03:10:22 | sharpe | g'bye |
| 03:10:29 | Zoide777 | (unless amiconn has grayscale lib for me to test, hehe) |
| 03:10:33 | Zoide777 | bye |
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| 03:10:39 | sharpe | heh, Paul, any ideas? :) |
| 03:10:44 | Mikachu | sharpe: well, you probably have a screens variable in both doom and gwps.h then |
| 03:11:06 | sharpe | yes, that's a given... |
| 03:11:11 | Mikachu | if you just want to get some test code going, copy the prototypes you need from gwps.h to plugin.h directly |
| 03:11:28 | sharpe | perfect time picked for someone to commit doom to cvs ;) |
| 03:11:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:11:48 | sharpe | it works fine when doom isn't compiled |
| 03:11:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or you could look into how Doom is using screens, and see if they can be made friendly. |
| 03:12:19 | sharpe | they just use it as a pointer to them... as far as it seemed... |
| 03:13:10 | sharpe | i was thinking it's probably easier to fix the doom's source, but then again it seemed as if people would be angry for it. |
| 03:13:48 | sharpe | doom's statement : "extern byte *screens[6];" |
| 03:13:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would just fix doom's source. |
| 03:14:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:14:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, otherwise you're probably just putting off the same conflict arising in the future. |
| 03:14:47 | sharpe | i think, changing the name to a different variable would work. |
| 03:14:49 | sharpe | yeah |
| 03:15:08 | sharpe | and changing all the references to said variable correctly. |
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| 03:17:22 | sharpe | i guess that means... about 34 changes. |
| 03:19:28 | sharpe | heh, that's nice. |
| 03:19:38 | sharpe | one of the lines i have to change is v_video.c:666 |
| 03:20:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 03:27:43 | sharpe | i wonder if i'm registered in the forums... |
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| 03:30:01 | sharpe | guess what everyone |
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| 03:32:12 | JdGordon | your mad! |
| 03:33:29 | sharpe | nope, but i may be slightly, at least, not clinically, but nickelodeon's kid's choice awards is on |
| 03:33:45 | JdGordon | omg yay!!!!!!11!!1one! |
| 03:33:49 | enzyme | `any one know a good way of removing scratches on black ipods |
| 03:33:55 | sharpe | ooh |
| 03:34:00 | sharpe | i wanna see the ant bullly |
| 03:34:15 | sharpe | except, with two l's |
| 03:35:10 | JdGordon | haha, im cleaning my room and ive gone from 0 reset button pusher thingy pins, to 3 :D |
| 03:35:47 | sharpe | so you just have... reset switches laying around? |
| 03:36:03 | JdGordon | no, the pin things u need to push the reset button |
| 03:36:11 | sharpe | ooh. |
| 03:36:56 | sharpe | is it odd that i like watching cartoons, that are deemed... for children? |
| 03:37:21 | Mikachu | enzyme: scratch it until it's completely white |
| 03:39:08 | sharpe | heh, hey Paul, it they both compile now. |
| 03:39:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, is it ready for the patch tracker? |
| 03:40:50 | sharpe | it may... |
| 03:40:55 | sharpe | just have to check if it works |
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| 03:43:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 03:44:36 | sharpe | oh... ear bleeding again, not good. |
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| 03:46:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that's generally a Very Bad Thing(tm) |
| 03:47:21 | sharpe | yeah, but it's really just a Little Cut(tm) on the outer ear thing. |
| 03:47:42 | midkay | Ohh(tm). |
| 03:48:36 | Mikachu | maybe an imp is throwing fireballs at you from the side |
| 03:49:03 | sharpe | yeah, the doom source code is getting it's revenge on me from changing the name of the screens variable |
| 03:49:08 | Mikachu | I Forgot To Write "(tm)" (tm) |
| 03:49:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 03:49:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had assumed the ear bleeding was in relation to the coding |
| 03:49:52 | saix | hey how do you install rockbox on the iaudio x5? |
| 03:50:41 | | Quit qwm ("leaving") |
| 03:51:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot then extract a CVS or Daily build into the root of your player |
| 03:52:17 | saix | thank you very much |
| 03:53:16 | sharpe | so friendly :D |
| 03:54:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it sad that I'm at the point where someone saying "Thanks" in any form surprises me now? |
| 03:54:22 | sharpe | nah... |
| 03:55:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 03:55:38 | * | JdGordon cackles crazily... |
| 03:55:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hate it when I'm helping them in one thread, and they say "Okay, new question" and, while I'm answering that new question, they go ahead and start a new thread for that question *anyway* |
| 03:58:02 | saix | Does anyone know if rockbox drains the battery more? especially like having a WPS with album art? |
| 03:58:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: At the moment I hear it definitely drains more battery on X5. Also, Album Art isn't a feature of Rockbox yet. |
| 03:59:11 | saix | Paul, this wps shows album art http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8527/preview7jd.png |
| 03:59:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thats using a modified build |
| 03:59:29 | JdGordon | album art isnt part of the oficial builds yet.. but it exsists.. |
| 03:59:30 | sharpe | it uses a patch |
| 03:59:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, it's not a feature of Rockbox. |
| 03:59:48 | sharpe | offically :) |
| 03:59:55 | saix | ic, thanks, plus I think album art would look goofy on the tiny x5 screen |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:54 | sharpe | i made a program to handle the installation of rockbox to ipods... |
| 04:00:58 | sharpe | a long time ago. |
| 04:04:09 | saix | Paul, sorry for the dumb questions but on the site it dosent tell me exactly where to put the folder, do i just paste it in the firmware? |
| 04:05:27 | sharpe | nickelodeon's kid's coice awards just reminded me that i don't like rap much... |
| 04:05:45 | saix | rap sucks, hip-hop is much better |
| 04:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: Which folder? |
| 04:06:07 | Mikachu | there's good rap and bad rap, like with any genre, but with rap there is so much more bad :) |
| 04:06:29 | saix | when I extracted the daily build it gave me a .rockbox folder and a rockbox.iaudio file |
| 04:06:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 04:06:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both rockbox.iaudio and the .rockbox folder go in the root of the drive |
| 04:06:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, F:\rockbox.iaudio and F:\.rockbox\ |
| 04:06:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where F is whatever drive your iAudio is |
| 04:07:08 | sharpe | ahah, i think someone knocked over a cameraman in the crowd :) |
| 04:07:11 | JdGordon | whatever happened to putting the rockbox.* file into the .rockbox folder? |
| 04:07:28 | saix | alright thx a ton again paul, will try it out now |
| 04:07:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It works, but the build script doesn't do it by default yet. They want to be nearly 100% sure everyone's using bootloaders that support it |
| 04:07:44 | sharpe | or an least, knocked his camera out of his hands... |
| 04:07:49 | JdGordon | grr... ok |
| 04:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I set up a build script to extract it after building, move the rockbox.ipod (or .iriver) into the .rockbox folder for me, so I just copy that over. :) |
| 04:11:25 | sharpe | the singer from greenday just said 'stick it to the man!' to the audience... |
| 04:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | of what, 12 year olds? |
| 04:12:02 | sharpe | about that, yeah |
| 04:12:24 | saix | maybe he should tell him that nickoloden shows blues clues and dora the explorer and not Salute Your shorts or Rocko's Modern Life anymore |
| 04:12:39 | sharpe | that's nick jr |
| 04:12:50 | sharpe | trust me. 'cause i know. |
| 04:13:03 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:13:43 | sharpe | i think after i get this plugin working and everything... |
| 04:13:54 | sharpe | maybe i should start work on the 6502 cpu emulator? :) |
| 04:14:17 | saix | groar I need help with my x5 paul :( I loaded up my x5 and I get some weird black and white menu that is whack |
| 04:14:25 | saix | how do you install the wps? |
| 04:16:12 | JdGordon | saix: goto settings > display > browse wps |
| 04:16:16 | JdGordon | and choose the one u want |
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| 04:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: The black and white menu is rockbox. It's a file tree browser by default. WPS is a While Playing Screen, so it *only* displays while music is playing |
| 04:17:33 | saix | I dont evne have a settings |
| 04:17:39 | saix | my x5 looks like its in dos mode or something ~_~ |
| 04:18:11 | sharpe | yeah, but you can tell your friends your x5 has dos on it now :) |
| 04:18:32 | saix | :/ I hope that was a joke cuz i dont have any friends |
| 04:19:19 | saix | Paul, are you sure I wasen't suppose to put the folder and file inside of the system folder? |
| 04:19:46 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: shouldn't the whack menu be rockbox_blue? |
| 04:20:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: If you're *in* Rockbox now, why would you think you've done it wrong? |
| 04:20:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I've found many people think Black and Rockbox Blue is Black and White. |
| 04:20:55 | Mikachu | ah |
| 04:21:04 | saix | well I know for a fact it updated the firmware, to the basic rockbox thing, but I dont think I have the current x5 build |
| 04:21:07 | saix | the latest |
| 04:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you say that? |
| 04:21:19 | saix | or is this how it looks without a wps? |
| 04:21:28 | saix | because it looks horrible and unfunctionable |
| 04:21:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | A WPS is a WHILE PLAYING SCREEN. I already said this. It only shows while playing. |
| 04:21:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I also already said that rockbox is a text based directory browser by default, and that's how it's supposed to look. |
| 04:21:53 | * | Mikachu takes two steps away from Paul_The_Nerd |
| 04:21:59 | saix | lol |
| 04:22:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Sorry, not a fan of repeating the exact same thing. |
| 04:22:25 | saix | but I cant even get to adjust my equalizer or anything, do I have to do that all in a config? |
| 04:22:28 | Mikachu | i know, i feel the same way :), but your inhuman calmness scared me |
| 04:22:37 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:22:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: One of the buttons on the X5 should take you into the menu. |
| 04:23:13 | saix | yea you hold the joystick, but when I do that it goes to the text junx and asks me to adjust or delete playlists |
| 04:23:20 | sharpe | make clean; make veryclean; make mrclean; make sterile... |
| 04:23:31 | Mikachu | mrclean? what about mrsclean? |
| 04:23:37 | sharpe | didn't you hear? |
| 04:23:47 | sharpe | they were divorced and she took on her maiden name again. |
| 04:23:56 | Mikachu | oh, how sad :( |
| 04:24:01 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 04:24:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: That's not the right menu. |
| 04:24:18 | sharpe | she said they never had any time for each other, Mr. Clean was always working... |
| 04:24:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: Also, it's all going to be text, so get used to it. |
| 04:25:07 | sharpe | no pretty pictures |
| 04:25:22 | Mikachu | i think you can make it pretty pretty with a wellselected backdrop |
| 04:25:28 | saix | all im saying is i cant even adjust the settings |
| 04:25:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: And all I'm saying is that you haven't tapped the right button to get into the menu |
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| 04:26:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: I unfortunately don't have an X5, so I can't tell you what button it is, but you should have to tap, not hold, a button, and it'll bring up a menu |
| 04:26:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | You must be at the File System view to bring up this menu |
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| 04:27:17 | saix | got it ~_~ who would think holding record would b it |
| 04:27:20 | Kyomi | Hey.. all of those themes are necessary for rockbox to run right? I can delete the ones I never ues... correct? |
| 04:27:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Yeah, you can delete any themes you don't want. |
| 04:27:49 | Kyomi | yay |
| 04:28:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | saix: Anyway, Rockbox is geared toward functionality, not prettiness. It does vastly more than most (all) stock firmwares, so saying "Yeah, but it's not pretty" is kinda a losing argument. |
| 04:28:38 | sharpe | heheh |
| 04:29:34 | * | Kyomi agrees with Paul_The_Nerd |
| 04:29:41 | Kyomi | I actually like it better this way |
| 04:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do too |
| 04:29:49 | Kyomi | Just had to figure out themes :) |
| 04:29:51 | | Join ChristophMex [0] (n=c97c6113@labb.contactor.se) |
| 04:29:57 | ChristophMex | Hi |
| 04:29:58 | Kyomi | Because I want it pretty while it's playing music :) |
| 04:30:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 04:30:24 | Kyomi | And why do I have 8 tagcache files? |
| 04:30:41 | ChristophMex | ANy body knows how to MAke Work DOOM in 5g ipod Using Rockbox_ |
| 04:30:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not really sure, but tagcache seems to create many files |
| 04:30:48 | Kyomi | It's like it copied itself 7 times.. then made an index |
| 04:30:53 | Mikachu | ChristophMex: yes, find the bug and fix it |
| 04:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: It doesn't |
| 04:31:04 | ChristophMex | I foun it |
| 04:31:25 | ChristophMex | ok |
| 04:31:26 | Kyomi | ChristophMex: 1) Sell the ipod on eBay 2) Use what little money you got from that and buy an iRiver |
| 04:31:32 | ChristophMex | were i found how to fix it_ |
| 04:31:40 | ChristophMex | Whats is a bug_ |
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| 04:31:46 | Kyomi | x_x |
| 04:31:49 | Mikachu | i should learn to shut up |
| 04:31:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: It's open source. If you're asking "What is a bug" you probably can't fix this one. |
| 04:32:05 | Kyomi | Why is there a _ after every sentance of yours ChristophMex |
| 04:32:20 | ChristophMex | I allready install linux |
| 04:32:36 | ChristophMex | ipodlinux ina 5g |
| 04:32:59 | ChristophMex | i think i can fix the bug |
| 04:33:10 | Kyomi | I repeat.. to get rockdoom working |
| 04:33:13 | Kyomi | 1) Sell the ipod on eBay 2) Use what little money you got from that and buy an iRiver |
| 04:33:19 | Kyomi | ;) |
| 04:33:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: Do you have any programming skills? Do you know C? Do you understand what I mean by "data alignment error?" |
| 04:33:31 | ChristophMex | Thanks |
| 04:33:38 | ChristophMex | but i don[t want to sell it |
| 04:33:38 | Kyomi | Then you wont have to worry about what mode you're in |
| 04:33:40 | ChristophMex | >P |
| 04:33:50 | Kyomi | Alright.. I tried... He's too far gone |
| 04:33:58 | Kyomi | Looks like I'll have to kill him >) |
| 04:34:16 | ChristophMex | No plis |
| 04:34:19 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, barely, no |
| 04:34:27 | Kyomi | Wait |
| 04:34:28 | ChristophMex | I only want to see doom in my 5G |
| 04:34:30 | ChristophMex | just taht |
| 04:34:40 | ChristophMex | just that |
| 04:34:42 | Kyomi | Isn't C like.. EXTREMELY picky on how you align the code? |
| 04:34:48 | ChristophMex | Sorry about being so rude |
| 04:34:57 | Kyomi | I knew there was some language that did that |
| 04:35:01 | Kyomi | But I couldn't remember which |
| 04:35:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: It *doesn't work.* Someone with programming skills needs to figure out where the problem is in the source code and fix it. It is most likely a data alignment error. |
| 04:35:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It has nothing to do with the language. It's the ARM architecture that requires the data to line up with certain boundaries. |
| 04:36:21 | ChristophMex | Thnkx |
| 04:36:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: Nobody has worked out what is causing the problem. So I can't tell you how to fix it. Nobody can. The misunderstanding seems to be that you think someone here knows what to fix. We know how. It needs to be analyzed, tested, and rewritten in a way that works. But we don't know what exact part of the code needs rewritten. |
| 04:36:48 | ChristophMex | I just saw a Bug fix for colour and graphics for doom in the Rockbox page |
| 04:36:49 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: I think this is a problem with the WAD file.. but on one custom WAD I found... The mobs.. never attack you |
| 04:36:56 | Kyomi | They notice you an everything |
| 04:36:59 | Kyomi | They just dont attack you XD |
| 04:37:15 | ChristophMex | but i don[t know how to install it ... are files with .c and .h at the end |
| 04:37:43 | Mikachu | ChristophMex: there are plenty of docs on the site! feel free to read them, that's why they were written. |
| 04:37:49 | ChristophMex | ANy body can help me please |
| 04:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: Search the site for information about how to Compile. |
| 04:38:04 | Kyomi | Errr... |
| 04:38:07 | ChristophMex | COmpile |
| 04:38:09 | ChristophMex | OK |
| 04:38:13 | ChristophMex | Thnks |
| 04:38:16 | Kyomi | Why is there a patch for color and graphics? |
| 04:38:23 | Kyomi | They are fine right now o.O |
| 04:38:27 | ChristophMex | I dont knoe |
| 04:38:31 | ChristophMex | see it yor self |
| 04:38:39 | ChristophMex | www.rockbox.org |
| 04:38:43 | Kyomi | There's just slight pauses everyonce in awhile... and the midi music needs to get working :P |
| 04:38:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Those are probably really old ones that never got removed. As for the Doom wad issue, that's strange. I'm inclined to believe there's a dehacked patch invovled? |
| 04:39:04 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: Most likely |
| 04:39:27 | ChristophMex | I have a Wild Guess that My 5G works with the fix |
| 04:39:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: When did you get the fix? |
| 04:39:56 | Kyomi | I have this *HUGE* book called "Alchemy" that tells you how to make maps in Doom I/II, Heretic and Hexen in EXCRUTIATING detail :) |
| 04:40:05 | Kyomi | And I remember theres a way to do that |
| 04:40:11 | ChristophMex | to day so it on the page www.rockbox.org |
| 04:40:18 | Kyomi | You can make areas where they "see" you but dont attack |
| 04:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: I have a program called WadEd that makes it point and click. That + Dehacked makes everything rather simple. |
| 04:40:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: If you're talking about the front page, that's not a patch. That's updates to the program |
| 04:40:55 | ChristophMex | >* |
| 04:41:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: If you download the newest CVS build, that's included. |
| 04:41:08 | ChristophMex | :( |
| 04:41:36 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: That book came with a CD of like.. LOADS of editing stuff |
| 04:41:48 | Kyomi | Although.. I can't get WadEd to work in XP :( |
| 04:41:53 | ChristophMex | Reinstall rockbox"|}[[['']'.\',][,]>{>{)]0-]0=- |
| 04:42:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Mostly overkill. Doom requires surprisingly little. WadEd was my favorite, but I haven't edited doom in probably a decade |
| 04:42:13 | Kyomi | And it has a habit of... crashing constantly |
| 04:42:16 | Mikachu | i still have 4 wads i made 10 years ago on a cd somewhere |
| 04:42:22 | Kyomi | Even when I used it in DOSBox |
| 04:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: I don't know what all that gibberish was, but reinstalling Rockbox is as simple as extracting a new .zip onto the unit. You don't have to redo the bootloader every time |
| 04:42:51 | Kyomi | Does the bootloader ever get updated? Or is it in "final"? |
| 04:43:36 | ChristophMex | I can t see well |
| 04:43:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It does from time to time, but it's at a point now where it's not likely to for a while |
| 04:43:42 | ChristophMex | but nice cuestion |
| 04:43:48 | sharpe | this is really odd... |
| 04:44:09 | ChristophMex | Sorry |
| 04:44:14 | ChristophMex | it s ok |
| 04:44:23 | ChristophMex | I will do it PAul |
| 04:44:25 | ChristophMex | thnks |
| 04:44:31 | ChristophMex | My second name is paul too |
| 04:44:32 | ChristophMex | ;) |
| 04:45:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: For example there have been a total of 6 bootloader versions for the iRiver H1x0 series. |
| 04:45:21 | Mikachu | and there's a patch for the ipod loader that lets you reboot to apple more easily |
| 04:45:25 | sharpe | i bet it's impossible to guess my real name from my email :) |
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| 04:46:22 | Kyomi | Holy crap |
| 04:46:22 | | Join Vertigo_t [0] (n=vertah@cor9-ppp1865.bur.dsl.connect.net.au) |
| 04:46:40 | Kyomi | sharpe: I didn't know MindSpring was still in business |
| 04:47:13 | sharpe | why tell me that? |
| 04:47:16 | sharpe | oh |
| 04:47:17 | sharpe | that |
| 04:47:36 | sharpe | actually, it's roadrunner/earthlink, not sure how that works out to mindspring |
| 04:47:53 | sharpe | time warner i mean |
| 04:48:51 | Mikachu | it's especially hard if you don't know your email |
| 04:48:58 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:48:59 | JdGordon | any opeth fans here? |
| 04:49:04 | sharpe | mattbridge at gmail.com |
| 04:49:09 | Kyomi | lol |
| 04:49:20 | ChristophMex | HEy PAul this means the reboot? "Update adds prboom's high resolution support," |
| 04:49:25 | * | Kyomi sends you gigs of porn email |
| 04:49:27 | Mikachu | hm, are you matt bridge? or possibly matt b ridge? |
| 04:49:37 | Kyomi | ;) |
| 04:49:50 | sharpe | matt bridge |
| 04:49:52 | Kyomi | Nah... He's Mattbrid ge |
| 04:50:01 | Mikachu | hahah |
| 04:50:07 | sharpe | according to google, i'm a doctor with a phd in golf... |
| 04:50:13 | Kyomi | lmao |
| 04:50:22 | Kyomi | I didn't know you could get a phd in gold |
| 04:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: The reboot? I don't understand what you meen. |
| 04:50:24 | Kyomi | golf* |
| 04:50:31 | Kyomi | ReBoot I like ^^ |
| 04:50:57 | | Quit nudel ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") |
| 04:50:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I used to love the show Reboot. |
| 04:51:28 | sharpe | oh, i remember that show |
| 04:51:29 | ChristophMex | Ok i wil lern to do it and do it |
| 04:51:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm confused. |
| 04:52:02 | Mikachu | ChristophMex: have you understood the fact that doom doesn't work on ipods? |
| 04:52:31 | ChristophMex | Not well... i saw pics workin in pods |
| 04:52:41 | Mikachu | they weren't of rockbox |
| 04:52:42 | ChristophMex | ipods |
| 04:52:46 | sharpe | that's from ipodlinux |
| 04:52:50 | Kyomi | weeee |
| 04:52:59 | Kyomi | According to google I'm a film editor |
| 04:53:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: it worked in the past. It is broken now. It will be fixed eventually, but nobody knows what needs fixing yet. |
| 04:53:10 | Mikachu | Kyomi: kyomi or your real name? |
| 04:53:18 | Kyomi | Real name |
| 04:53:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: they may have been of Rockbox. It worked on iPod in the past on Rockbox. |
| 04:53:39 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 04:53:45 | Mikachu | i think i was in school that hour |
| 04:53:55 | sharpe | from google, i have a phd and bsc in sport and exercise sciences. |
| 04:54:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: It was at *least* 3 hours before he released the prboom version and broke it again. I think. |
| 04:54:16 | Mikachu | i'm a hockey player and systems engineer |
| 04:54:19 | ChristophMex | Thanks |
| 04:54:21 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: oh okay |
| 04:54:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm an expert on the Titanic, apparently |
| 04:54:28 | Mikachu | then i have no excuse |
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| 04:54:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, the second google entry is actually me! |
| 04:54:46 | sharpe | there is also a bridge called, "Matt's Bridge" |
| 04:55:19 | sharpe | there was a google entry for me, which was a project i had started on |
| 04:55:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Actually, somewhere on my computer lurks the source for a working iPod version of Doom, I suspect. But it didn't fit in the plugin buffer anyway. |
| 04:55:30 | sharpe | i never actually did anything with it. |
| 04:55:33 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: is the nerd your real last name? |
| 04:55:38 | Kyomi | weee |
| 04:55:39 | Kyomi | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0757298/ |
| 04:55:41 | Kyomi | :) |
| 04:55:44 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: my plugin buffer is 26 MB :) |
| 04:55:45 | sharpe | it's Paul T. Nerd |
| 04:55:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Ah, if only. |
| 04:55:46 | ChristophMex | GOd save the queen |
| 04:55:52 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: but i can do without doom for a while |
| 04:56:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Nano I take it? |
| 04:56:03 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 04:56:35 | ChristophMex | It is possible to see videos in Rockbox 5g ipod? |
| 04:56:47 | sharpe | not as of yet |
| 04:57:01 | sharpe | you can still boot into the apple firmware to do so. |
| 04:57:19 | ChristophMex | Tru |
| 04:57:22 | ChristophMex | Thnks |
| 04:57:32 | ChristophMex | Theres any channel for ipodlinux? |
| 04:57:33 | * | Mikachu gives ChristophMex a and e keys |
| 04:57:40 | Mikachu | oh, you found them already, nm |
| 04:57:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | ChristophMex: #ipodlinux |
| 04:57:43 | Kyomi | Heyyyyyy y^^ |
| 04:57:43 | Kyomi | http://www.flickr.com/photos/indeliblegrace/94682973/ |
| 04:57:51 | Kyomi | It's Kyomi XD :D |
| 04:57:58 | ChristophMex | :P thnks |
| 04:58:03 | ChristophMex | Cheers mate |
| 04:58:06 | Kyomi | Woah |
| 04:58:12 | Kyomi | I'm a place in India |
| 04:58:12 | Mikachu | Kyomi: should two successive smilesy be taken as an animation? |
| 04:58:18 | Kyomi | Nah |
| 04:58:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clearly she has two faces |
| 04:58:28 | Kyomi | Just think of the first one.. then the second :) |
| 04:58:29 | Mikachu | or a superposition of their emotional states? |
| 04:58:55 | Mikachu | http://www.lohkokleding.nl/foto%20Kyomi%201.JPG |
| 04:59:27 | Kyomi | Cute... but not me :P |
| 04:59:35 | Mikachu | haha, http://tapnation.co.uk/acatalog/ideal-standard-kyomi-bathroom-suite-header.jpg |
| 04:59:41 | ChristophMex | The channel ipodlinux is blocked |
| 04:59:53 | ChristophMex | any body can invite me there pliz? |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just successfully joined and left #ipodlinux. Have you perhaps been banned? |
| 05:00:13 | ChristophMex | if it is pssible of course |
| 05:00:23 | ChristophMex | no |
| 05:00:28 | Mikachu | i suspect the rb web irc only allows this channel |
| 05:00:30 | | Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) |
| 05:00:43 | ChristophMex | in fact .. ia can t be cuz ill never been there |
| 05:01:19 | ChristophMex | Nice group |
| 05:01:22 | ChristophMex | thnx |
| 05:01:30 | Kyomi | Mikachu: See? My name is pretty... it can be used with ANYTHING :D |
| 05:01:48 | ChristophMex | whats the name of this irc server? |
| 05:01:52 | * | Paul_The_Nerd 's real name is very easy to figure out with a few seconds of though. |
| 05:01:54 | sharpe | irc.freenode.net |
| 05:02:00 | Mikachu | Kyomi: i don't like this one :) http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/1256/comics/adopt_mikachu.gif |
| 05:02:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought it was chat.freenode.net now... |
| 05:02:02 | Kyomi | Paul |
| 05:02:03 | Kyomi | XD |
| 05:02:11 | sharpe | probably both would work |
| 05:02:16 | ChristophMex | MExican police |
| 05:02:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: No, my full real name. It's plastered all over the place, and I give out clues to it pretty often. |
| 05:02:20 | ChristophMex | haha :P |
| 05:02:23 | Kyomi | Mikachu haha |
| 05:02:23 | ChristophMex | Thnkz |
| 05:02:42 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: irc.freenode.net still works |
| 05:02:48 | sharpe | when was your most recent cvs commit? :) |
| 05:02:48 | Kyomi | Thats what I logged into |
| 05:03:20 | Mikachu | i have figured it out, but i cheated with google |
| 05:03:52 | ChristophMex | Bye tke cear all... and good luck |
| 05:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: I remember whatever I used to use stopped working for a while because they were getting attacks |
| 05:04:24 | | Quit ChristophMex ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 05:04:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I don't have CVS access |
| 05:05:32 | sharpe | eh, if you did, it'd be a pretty good hint... |
| 05:05:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's an IRCNicks list at Rockbox.org full of people who are okay with their real name being known. :) |
| 05:05:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many people can be looked up there. |
| 05:06:07 | sharpe | which reminds me, i should add myself there |
| 05:06:46 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not because I'm paranoid.... Which is why I dont join the wiki since I HAVE TO use my real name |
| 05:07:44 | sharpe | paul lounden! ahah! |
| 05:07:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. I feel like if I'm contributing to this at all, I should be doing it as *me* |
| 05:08:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Louden, but close enough. Did I somehow mistype it there? |
| 05:08:13 | Mikachu | no |
| 05:08:16 | sharpe | no, but i think i may be dyslexic. |
| 05:08:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 05:08:22 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 05:08:27 | sharpe | it's happened seemingly before |
| 05:08:45 | Mikachu | oh, you can say both dyslexic and dyslectic, i was about to correct you :) |
| 05:10:29 | sharpe | and, everything seems to be okay between prboom and my plugin... |
| 05:11:01 | Mikachu | is your plugin faster than normal loading? |
| 05:11:03 | Kyomi | What is prboom? |
| 05:11:13 | Mikachu | a port of doom |
| 05:11:26 | Mikachu | like doomsday, zdoom, boom, and others |
| 05:11:31 | sharpe | Mikachu: you mean, starting the plugin, or what the plugin does? |
| 05:11:42 | Kyomi | Soo ummm |
| 05:11:44 | Mikachu | i mean loading a wps |
| 05:11:45 | Kyomi | How cam I can |
| 05:11:49 | Kyomi | can't play it? |
| 05:11:53 | Kyomi | It just loads it |
| 05:12:00 | Kyomi | And goes into the original game |
| 05:12:02 | sharpe | :D nah, it extracts it, and loads it. |
| 05:12:04 | Mikachu | you mean the wad file? |
| 05:12:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: prboom is really "Doom + extra features like translucency" |
| 05:12:16 | Mikachu | i guess it's just some stuff prboom uses |
| 05:12:27 | sharpe | and it also removes previous packaged wpses in the temp directory |
| 05:12:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, the .wad has tables and stuff embedded, from what I understand |
| 05:12:40 | Mikachu | prboom is the name of the program, and prboom.wad is just a helper file |
| 05:13:27 | Mikachu | sharpe: okay, heh |
| 05:13:35 | sharpe | it seems like there wouldn't be any conflict between a plugin that handles packaged wpses, and doom. but there is, or rather, was. |
| 05:13:57 | Mikachu | you could argue that having a global variable called screens in gwps is a bit stupid |
| 05:14:13 | Mikachu | it should have a namespace prefix |
| 05:14:18 | sharpe | well, having it in doom's source is kind of stupid too... |
| 05:14:21 | Kyomi | Wheres prboom at? |
| 05:14:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:14:40 | Mikachu | i think rockbox' doom is a port of prboom |
| 05:14:49 | Mikachu | so it's what you're using |
| 05:15:25 | Kyomi | Ohhhh cool :D |
| 05:16:08 | Mikachu | got to love the variable names |
| 05:16:08 | sharpe | what should my flyspray login be... ? |
| 05:16:12 | Mikachu | am_map.c: static int fuck = 0; |
| 05:16:41 | Kyomi | LMAO |
| 05:16:58 | Kyomi | Thats... awesome |
| 05:17:08 | Kyomi | It's a new meaning of "vulgar code" :P |
| 05:17:17 | sharpe | the kind of funny thing, while i was changing doom's source to solve the problem, i had to edit the line number 666 in one of the files. |
| 05:17:18 | Mikachu | you should see how many there are in linux :) |
| 05:17:48 | Mikachu | well, only in comments there, i'm pretty sure |
| 05:17:56 | Jungti1234 | hi all |
| 05:18:08 | Mikachu | anyong haseyo |
| 05:18:18 | Jungti1234 | bangapsupnida |
| 05:18:20 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 05:18:29 | Mikachu | heh, i only know that one :) |
| 05:18:33 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 05:18:40 | Jungti1234 | bangapsupnida = nice to meet you |
| 05:18:44 | Mikachu | ah |
| 05:18:48 | Mikachu | likewise |
| 05:19:14 | Mikachu | it sounds like something someone in new york could say |
| 05:20:18 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 05:20:24 | Kyomi | Banga! sup nigga ;) |
| 05:20:32 | Mikachu | exactly :) |
| 05:20:36 | Kyomi | Well.. at least thats what it LOOKS like :P |
| 05:20:38 | Jungti1234 | haha Banga? :D |
| 05:20:51 | Kyomi | Yeah... Emeril got a bit gay there ;) |
| 05:20:57 | sharpe | lol |
| 05:21:11 | Jungti1234 | gay? ;; |
| 05:22:07 | Jungti1234 | ban gap seup ni da |
| 05:22:27 | * | Kyomi thinks Jungti1234 COMPLETLY missed that joke ;P |
| 05:22:41 | Kyomi | I spelled that wrong didn't I? |
| 05:22:47 | Mikachu | yes |
| 05:22:53 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 05:22:55 | Kyomi | I think it's supposed to be completely |
| 05:22:56 | sharpe | well... time to make a patch... |
| 05:22:56 | Mikachu | COMPLETERLY |
| 05:23:07 | Kyomi | But it just looks like too many e's |
| 05:23:13 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: does korean sound a bit like japanese? |
| 05:23:30 | Jungti1234 | yep |
| 05:23:46 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi: I don't speak well English. |
| 05:23:50 | Mikachu | then i guess i have a pretty good idea how it sounds |
| 05:23:57 | Mikachu | do you speak japanese? (mine isn't very good) |
| 05:23:58 | | Join imphasin1 [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) |
| 05:24:04 | Jungti1234 | a little. |
| 05:24:31 | | Nick imphasin1 is now known as imphasing_ (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) |
| 05:24:50 | Kyomi | I speak some... |
| 05:24:53 | Kyomi | Learning more though |
| 05:25:06 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi, are you japanese? |
| 05:25:14 | Kyomi | Sadly, no ;_; |
| 05:25:20 | Jungti1234 | hehe.. |
| 05:25:24 | Mikachu | don't be sad, they are crazy :P |
| 05:25:36 | Jungti1234 | right. |
| 05:26:06 | Kyomi | But..but... |
| 05:26:11 | Kyomi | They have like.. PERFECT hair |
| 05:26:18 | Kyomi | They are small and cute ^^ |
| 05:26:22 | Kyomi | I love their eyes |
| 05:26:23 | Mikachu | haha |
| 05:26:32 | Kyomi | The langauge is sooooo pretty |
| 05:26:37 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 05:26:38 | Kyomi | So is the country |
| 05:26:38 | Jungti1234 | agree |
| 05:26:44 | Kyomi | Well.. parts of it :) |
| 05:26:57 | Jungti1234 | but |
| 05:27:24 | Jungti1234 | Japanese was ugly. |
| 05:27:48 | Jungti1234 | If they are pretty or nice, it's not Japanese. |
| 05:27:51 | Kyomi | haha... |
| 05:27:59 | Kyomi | new experimental build turned it upside down XD |
| 05:28:40 | Kyomi | Hmmm.. my battery seems to die...quickly |
| 05:28:42 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: the people or the language? |
| 05:28:53 | Jungti1234 | people |
| 05:29:24 | Kyomi | But but... |
| 05:29:34 | Kyomi | Hayashibara Megumi is pretty.... |
| 05:29:40 | Jungti1234 | They aren't the single nation. |
| 05:29:47 | Kyomi | And she is japanese :P{ |
| 05:29:49 | Kyomi | -{ |
| 05:29:59 | Jungti1234 | There are many child of mixed races. |
| 05:30:18 | Kyomi | You just dont wanna be wrong :P |
| 05:30:36 | Jungti1234 | I had been in Japan. |
| 05:30:52 | Jungti1234 | They were ugly. |
| 05:31:03 | Jungti1234 | It's actuality. |
| 05:31:07 | Mikachu | Kyomi: i guess i've heard her as haruka in love hina then |
| 05:31:10 | Kyomi | You were in the ugly part :P |
| 05:31:15 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 05:31:17 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 05:31:19 | Kyomi | Mikachu: <3'ed her in Slayers ^^ |
| 05:31:32 | Jungti1234 | Hayashibara Megumi is... |
| 05:31:47 | Mikachu | and i'm not sure who they mean by "Magician" in cardcaptor sakura :) |
| 05:31:58 | Kyomi | And then found out that shes Tira in Bakuretsu Hunters... and bought that entire series |
| 05:32:05 | Kyomi | And Lost Universe |
| 05:32:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Be back later. |
| 05:32:06 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 05:32:08 | Jungti1234 | sorry, but she may not be Japanese. |
| 05:32:14 | Kyomi | And I believe El Hazard too... |
| 05:32:15 | Mikachu | what is this word you use, "bought"? |
| 05:32:18 | JdGordon | ok, fuck.. i tihnk my hdd on the h300 is dying.. it just stopped playing during a song (same place as it stopped a wile ago :'( ) |
| 05:32:34 | Kyomi | Mikachu: It's what mommies and daddies did before the internet :P |
| 05:32:54 | Mikachu | oh okay, i only got a C in history |
| 05:33:04 | Kyomi | :) |
| 05:33:12 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi |
| 05:33:14 | Kyomi | I buy stuff I love |
| 05:33:20 | Kyomi | And "buy" the rest :P |
| 05:33:34 | scottder | /win 3 |
| 05:33:42 | Mikachu | /lose 5 |
| 05:33:45 | scottder | whoopps |
| 05:33:45 | scottder | :) |
| 05:33:53 | Kyomi | Yay! |
| 05:33:55 | Kyomi | -2 :D |
| 05:34:04 | * | Kyomi beats all of you |
| 05:34:11 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 05:34:21 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi: Real Japanese is similar with monkey. |
| 05:34:28 | | Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 05:34:50 | scottder | JdGordon: thats why I went flash....tired of HDs dying |
| 05:34:56 | scottder | and I wasn't hard on my players at all |
| 05:35:19 | JdGordon | ye, but 4gb just isnt enough for me at all... |
| 05:35:35 | Mikachu | you can have many! |
| 05:35:40 | Jungti1234 | Pika, Pika! |
| 05:35:44 | Mikachu | chuuuuuuuu |
| 05:35:51 | JdGordon | i have unfortunatly dropped my h300 quite a few times accidently |
| 05:35:52 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 05:36:01 | JdGordon | almost never when its on tho which is a bit better.. |
| 05:36:05 | scottder | JdGordon: was worth the tradeoff for me |
| 05:36:16 | scottder | especially now that I can play Q4 vorbis on my Nano :) |
| 05:36:22 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu: http://cbingoimage.naver.com/data/bingo_34/imgbingo_85/cmw19627/34150/cmw19627_13.jpg |
| 05:36:25 | scottder | 4Gb holds quite a bit at that bitrate |
| 05:36:43 | Mikachu | i use q3 (2gb nano) |
| 05:36:56 | Jungti1234 | I use Q10 :O |
| 05:37:01 | * | scottder get's out anti-Pokemon spray |
| 05:37:03 | JdGordon | anyway, trying the song again.. hopefully it wont crash.. but i doubt it |
| 05:37:10 | Mikachu | scottder: GOTTA CATCH EM ALL NANANANA |
| 05:37:19 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 05:37:21 | scottder | Jungti1234: if I feel the nead to go that far I just do FLAC :) |
| 05:37:23 | * | Kyomi sells all of the iPods on eBay and can only afford the dollar menu at mcdonalds |
| 05:37:38 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 05:37:45 | Kyomi | My midi files dont play :( |
| 05:37:50 | Kyomi | Well.. technically |
| 05:37:52 | Kyomi | They do play |
| 05:37:59 | Kyomi | But there isn't any sound/progress bar |
| 05:38:02 | JdGordon | hehe i either ffwd'd too far into the song and skipped the bad bit, or its working again :D |
| 05:38:19 | Jungti1234 | what is 'trigger'? |
| 05:38:20 | scottder | Kyomi: yeah you'll never know when the annoy beeps will end |
| 05:38:20 | scottder | :) |
| 05:38:33 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: verb or noun? |
| 05:38:42 | Jungti1234 | don't know. |
| 05:38:49 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: trigger is a fucking awesong song by "in flames" - a swedish death metal band :D |
| 05:38:54 | Jungti1234 | in recoding |
| 05:39:04 | Mikachu | oh, don't know about recoding |
| 05:39:04 | Jungti1234 | recording |
| 05:39:11 | Mikachu | some threshold i'd guess |
| 05:39:43 | Mikachu | it's also the part of a gun you pull to shoot |
| 05:40:02 | Jungti1234 | Voice Detect? |
| 05:40:07 | sharpe | indexing the wpz is quick... :) |
| 05:40:11 | scottder | JdGordon: bad encode? re-rip (if you own it) :) |
| 05:40:27 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: you lost me now |
| 05:40:46 | Jungti1234 | haha..; |
| 05:41:19 | Jungti1234 | I know Trigger in gun. |
| 05:42:04 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: how do you say good night? |
| 05:42:43 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 05:43:25 | Jungti1234 | joun bam deseyo. |
| 05:43:34 | Jungti1234 | annyonghi jumuseyo |
| 05:44:05 | Mikachu | either is fine? |
| 05:44:18 | Jungti1234 | both.. |
| 05:44:25 | Jungti1234 | 'nae ggum gguer' hehehe |
| 05:44:41 | Jungti1234 | = Have my dream |
| 05:45:27 | Mikachu | i think the middle one is easiest to remember, it sounds like the hello one |
| 05:45:46 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 05:45:56 | Jungti1234 | annyonghi jumuseyo |
| 05:46:13 | Jungti1234 | nae ggum gguer = I'll be in your dream |
| 05:46:24 | Mikachu | can you say annyonghi haseyo too, or is there no "hi"? |
| 05:46:42 | Jungti1234 | annyong haseyo = hello |
| 05:46:53 | Mikachu | ah, annyonghi kaseyo is bye |
| 05:46:53 | Kyomi | age aggaweses ggauwbga = probably something in whatever language that is |
| 05:47:02 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu: yes |
| 05:47:11 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi, hahahahaha |
| 05:47:14 | Kyomi | lmao Mikachu: that looks like "annoying hi" |
| 05:47:21 | Mikachu | hah |
| 05:47:24 | Mikachu | korean! |
| 05:47:31 | Jungti1234 | nonono |
| 05:47:39 | Kyomi | ACK! Starcraft! *hides* |
| 05:47:43 | Mikachu | KEKEKE |
| 05:47:46 | Kyomi | XD |
| 05:47:47 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 05:47:54 | sharpe | that's what we can do!! |
| 05:48:03 | Kyomi | I OWNZ JUU WIT FINGAR! |
| 05:48:05 | sharpe | create a starcraft type game for rockbox! |
| 05:48:09 | sharpe | :D |
| 05:48:13 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 05:48:23 | Kyomi | sharpe: Or just port starcraft XD |
| 05:48:32 | sharpe | it no open source |
| 05:48:36 | sharpe | :( |
| 05:48:37 | Kyomi | Shhh! |
| 05:48:39 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 05:48:42 | Mikachu | isn't there a freecraft? |
| 05:48:46 | Kyomi | We dont have to tell THEM that :P |
| 05:48:48 | Jungti1234 | Laugh so. |
| 05:48:51 | sharpe | that was for warcraft |
| 05:48:56 | sharpe | or, warcraft II |
| 05:49:02 | sharpe | but it was shut down |
| 05:49:04 | sharpe | by blizzard |
| 05:49:09 | Mikachu | http://stratagus.sourceforge.net/screenshots.shtml |
| 05:49:12 | Kyomi | Warcraft III: Frozen Ass |
| 05:49:23 | Kyomi | Oh..wait.. I think thats supposed to be Throne XD |
| 05:49:32 | Mikachu | you think? |
| 05:49:57 | Jungti1234 | Frozen Ass? :) |
| 05:50:52 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu |
| 05:51:14 | Jungti1234 | It something lacking... |
| 05:52:01 | sharpe | well... i made the patch for the wpz plugin |
| 05:52:16 | Jungti1234 | what is wpz? wps? |
| 05:52:26 | sharpe | packaged wps |
| 05:52:47 | Jungti1234 | what's that.. |
| 05:53:00 | sharpe | the wps and all bitmaps are stored in one file... |
| 05:53:02 | Kyomi | Yeah... that stratagus looks nice |
| 05:53:08 | Kyomi | But that text gets on my nerves |
| 05:53:14 | Kyomi | It looks like AOL speak |
| 05:53:15 | sharpe | when it's executed, it extracts it to a directory and applys the wps |
| 05:53:34 | Kyomi | http://stratagus.sourceforge.net/images/21/bosbuild.png |
| 05:53:37 | | Part XavierGr |
| 05:53:39 | Jungti1234 | what is trigger.... Voice Detect? |
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| 06:01:36 | | Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB10A96.ipt.aol.com) |
| 06:02:34 | | Join dave_O [0] (n=dave_O@d207-81-78-2.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 06:02:48 | dave_O | where do you guys get your music from |
| 06:02:59 | sharpe | the store |
| 06:03:02 | Jungti1234 | fileguri |
| 06:03:08 | Mikachu | the internet (tm) |
| 06:03:12 | sharpe | heh |
| 06:03:21 | sharpe | Shady Dealer(tm) |
| 06:03:26 | dave_O | whats gileguri |
| 06:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | CDs |
| 06:03:39 | Kyomi | eBay(tm) |
| 06:03:47 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 06:03:57 | Kyomi | I completely missed that conversation |
| 06:04:00 | sharpe | paul, the plugin be finished. |
| 06:04:09 | Jungti1234 | fileguri is p2p :) |
| 06:04:40 | dave_O | can you get fullalbums off it |
| 06:04:46 | sharpe | bittorrent. |
| 06:05:03 | ScootScat | eMule |
| 06:05:18 | Kyomi | uTorrent :P |
| 06:05:24 | sharpe | ;) |
| 06:06:05 | Kyomi | Easy to install, Easy to hide ;) |
| 06:06:13 | sharpe | i've got it on my usb drive |
| 06:06:45 | | Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) |
| 06:06:45 | Kyomi | Isn't it just lovely? |
| 06:06:53 | Kyomi | I probably should get the CoF discography again |
| 06:07:03 | sharpe | heh |
| 06:07:08 | Kyomi | I kinda... over wrote my good versions with live ones |
| 06:07:17 | Jungti1234 | what's meaning of 'codec failure'? |
| 06:07:18 | Kyomi | And that makes me a sad panda |
| 06:07:20 | sharpe | mm, torrent mishaps. |
| 06:07:26 | Kyomi | Jungti1234: errr... what it just says? |
| 06:07:27 | Mikachu | oh no! not a sad panda :( |
| 06:07:30 | sharpe | you should update your codes |
| 06:07:31 | sharpe | codecs |
| 06:08:11 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 06:08:30 | sharpe | i've encountered it a few times myself while working on the plugin. |
| 06:08:49 | sharpe | that i'm done with... |
| 06:09:02 | sharpe | i make less sense as i stay awake |
| 06:09:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | That you should put on the tracker then |
| 06:09:18 | sharpe | should i put the doom screens fix too? |
| 06:09:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would say so, since your patch requires it |
| 06:09:36 | sharpe | heh, two seperate files... |
| 06:10:19 | sharpe | and i need to update the cvs, and redo the replacement thing with the doom source |
| 06:10:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah' |
| 06:10:39 | sharpe | as i kind of screwed it up... |
| 06:10:45 | | Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") |
| 06:12:07 | Jungti1234 | hmmm hey |
| 06:12:22 | Jungti1234 | english.lang is strange. |
| 06:12:38 | sharpe | that's like saying the english language is strange. |
| 06:12:54 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 06:13:01 | Jungti1234 | desc: in sound_settings |
| 06:13:03 | sharpe | :D |
| 06:13:06 | Jungti1234 | desc: in sound settings |
| 06:13:15 | dave_O | i got some japanese albums any way to get rockbox to read the japanese |
| 06:13:29 | sharpe | it may display the characters. |
| 06:13:31 | Jungti1234 | desc: in the main menu |
| 06:13:33 | Jungti1234 | desc: in the main menu |
| 06:14:57 | Jungti1234 | Is it mistake? |
| 06:16:44 | Kyomi | Err... whats a mistake? |
| 06:16:59 | Kyomi | All I see the is same line... cept with one space difference |
| 06:18:12 | | Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 06:18:41 | Jungti1234 | desc: in settings_menu() |
| 06:18:42 | Jungti1234 | desc: in settings_menu |
| 06:18:57 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 06:19:18 | Jungti1234 | I don't know.. bye |
| 06:19:26 | Mikachu | annyonghi kaseyo |
| 06:19:39 | Jungti1234 | annyonghi geseyo |
| 06:19:44 | | Quit Jungti1234 () |
| 06:19:49 | Kyomi | Annoying Hi kelso :) |
| 06:19:53 | Mikachu | lol |
| 06:19:56 | Mikachu | i wonder what geseyo means |
| 06:19:57 | Kyomi | Oh.. damn... I was way off |
| 06:20:08 | Kyomi | gay say ho? |
| 06:20:21 | Kyomi | lol... it's like sphinctersayswhat |
| 06:20:29 | Kyomi | gaysayho |
| 06:20:31 | Kyomi | XD |
| 06:20:33 | Mikachu | lol |
| 06:20:41 | Kyomi | I'm entertain myself... hooray for me :D |
| 06:20:45 | Kyomi | lol |
| 06:20:46 | Kyomi | Err |
| 06:20:48 | Kyomi | I* |
| 06:20:51 | Mikachu | i am also entertained by your charades |
| 06:21:48 | Mikachu | but now i am going to bed, good night |
| 06:21:58 | Kyomi | Awwww... ;_; |
| 06:22:04 | * | Kyomi clings onto you |
| 06:22:06 | sharpe | don't worry, i'll be up. |
| 06:22:33 | sharpe | until i figure out what i want to do with my life and what i'm going to do about someone. |
| 06:23:49 | sharpe | blar! |
| 06:26:26 | sharpe | not that it really matters if i'm awake or not. |
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| 06:47:45 | sharpe | ugh |
| 06:50:12 | scottder | Ok, pardon my ignorance here, but I've seen the word tagcache bounces around a bit |
| 06:50:25 | scottder | whats the deal with that? (aka what is it?) |
| 06:50:40 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 06:50:41 | sharpe | :) |
| 06:52:41 | dave_O | are you on here all the time sharpe |
| 06:53:02 | sharpe | somewhat |
| 06:53:08 | sharpe | depends on how depressed i am |
| 06:53:20 | scottder | Ahhh |
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| 06:54:04 | scottder | Hrmm ok how can one tell when the forced tagcache update is done :) |
| 06:54:51 | sharpe | one second... |
| 06:57:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | scottder: When the drive stops accessing, either by way of the drive LED, or the virtual one in the status bar |
| 06:57:29 | sharpe | there you go. |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:53 | sharpe | hey paul, wish to test the wpz plugin? |
| 07:01:00 | sharpe | before i submit it as a patch |
| 07:01:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not tonight. I'm currently very very fuzzy from various cold medications. |
| 07:01:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've been quite ill this weekend |
| 07:01:58 | sharpe | :D |
| 07:08:31 | sharpe | i don't know what to do now... can't go to sleep, but i want to. want to forget about something but i can't. meh. |
| 07:08:42 | sharpe | and i'm done with the plugin as of now. |
| 07:14:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 07:20:27 | Kyomi | sharpe: Work on getting midi function better :D |
| 07:20:31 | Kyomi | Pretty please? ^^ |
| 07:20:50 | sharpe | like i have any idea how i'd do that |
| 07:21:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midi kinda requires someone who's very knowledgeable about the current playback code and buffering system, as well as at the same time knowledgeable about MIDI |
| 07:21:27 | sharpe | which, i'm not. |
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| 07:22:17 | sharpe | i'm just that dude that isn't a developer and doesn't really do much in the way of graphics. |
| 07:23:03 | sharpe | not that midi has anything to do with graphics, but, graphics are not my thing. |
| 07:23:10 | XavierGr | MIDI needs tremendous optimization. At least for 44.1KHz |
| 07:30:43 | midkay | sharpe, if you need a tester i'm rather available.. |
| 07:31:11 | sharpe | uno momento |
| 07:32:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks his painkillers are fading |
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| 07:33:16 | sharpe | midkay: http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/wpzpkg_doom_screens_fix.diff |
| 07:34:27 | sharpe | it also patches doom... |
| 07:34:28 | midkay | have you considered on-device wpz packaging? |
| 07:34:32 | midkay | patches doom for what? |
| 07:34:47 | sharpe | conflicts with including 'gwps.h' in plugin.h |
| 07:34:55 | midkay | ah, alright |
| 07:35:17 | sharpe | you mean, creating a wpz on the player? |
| 07:35:22 | midkay | yeah. |
| 07:35:30 | sharpe | not really, but it'd be easy |
| 07:35:40 | midkay | indeed it should.. |
| 07:35:59 | sharpe | it'd kind of weird i'm using a half drunken pepsi bottle to cool down my ipod... |
| 07:36:40 | Moos | 07:35am time to sleep :) |
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| 07:37:51 | midkay | sharpe, haha.. um. do i need wpzpkg.c ? :) |
| 07:37:59 | sharpe | tis in the patch |
| 07:38:21 | midkay | weird, wasn't created// |
| 07:38:38 | midkay | can you post it alone? |
| 07:38:40 | sharpe | why else would it take 10kb to patch the plugin.c/.h files? |
| 07:38:41 | sharpe | yeah, sure |
| 07:38:50 | midkay | don't want to have to remove all those pluses to create it manually.. |
| 07:38:58 | midkay | and your stupid doom fixes! |
| 07:39:10 | sharpe | :'( |
| 07:39:26 | sharpe | it's either change the name of the variable in doom, or not have packaged wpses |
| 07:39:32 | sharpe | so get over it |
| 07:39:33 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:39:49 | Kyomi | I choose not have packaged wpses :P |
| 07:39:56 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:40:27 | midkay | if(pkg_wps.extension == ".wpz") not_have_packaged_wpses(); |
| 07:40:27 | midkay | :) |
| 07:40:35 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/wpzpkg.c |
| 07:41:11 | sharpe | you and your pseudocode. har har... har... heh... |
| 07:41:24 | midkay | hey. fu. |
| 07:41:29 | sharpe | :D |
| 07:42:03 | sharpe | surprisingly, pepsi is a nice heat transfer liquid... |
| 07:43:14 | midkay | got an error in v_video.c |
| 07:43:30 | sharpe | redeclaration error? |
| 07:43:37 | midkay | yes.. |
| 07:43:39 | sharpe | that's why you need to patch doom :) |
| 07:43:46 | midkay | ah, v_video.c.rej - patch may not be applied correctly |
| 07:44:02 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/doom_screens_fix.diff |
| 07:44:12 | sharpe | tis just the doom fix |
| 07:44:33 | midkay | there it went |
| 07:44:39 | midkay | ffs.. |
| 07:44:46 | sharpe | ? |
| 07:44:54 | midkay | more errors |
| 07:44:59 | sharpe | such as? |
| 07:45:10 | midkay | i_video.c |
| 07:45:21 | sharpe | lol... |
| 07:45:40 | sharpe | just remove the patch with both of the things... |
| 07:45:49 | sharpe | and i've one with just the wpz patch... |
| 07:47:14 | sharpe | if you need it |
| 07:47:34 | midkay | how old was your build? |
| 07:47:41 | sharpe | latest |
| 07:47:48 | midkay | like.. within hours? |
| 07:47:52 | sharpe | yes |
| 07:47:56 | midkay | damn.. |
| 07:48:06 | sharpe | :D |
| 07:48:14 | midkay | just FU MAN. FU. |
| 07:48:38 | Kyomi | :P |
| 07:48:38 | sharpe | yeah, i knew you were going to say you could test it, so i purposely created the patch with the latest build |
| 07:48:45 | sharpe | just to fuck with you |
| 07:48:47 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:48:51 | midkay | wait. wtf. |
| 07:48:58 | sharpe | ? |
| 07:49:00 | Kyomi | lol |
| 07:49:12 | midkay | the latest i_video.c looks.. um. |
| 07:49:17 | midkay | god .. ARGH. |
| 07:49:22 | sharpe | ? |
| 07:49:24 | midkay | can you post i_video.c? |
| 07:49:25 | midkay | :p |
| 07:49:29 | sharpe | lol, sure... |
| 07:49:37 | sharpe | problems? |
| 07:49:46 | midkay | aplenty |
| 07:50:31 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/i_video.c |
| 07:50:52 | Kyomi | I want the music to work in Doom... screw variables :P |
| 07:51:06 | sharpe | eh? |
| 07:51:20 | Kyomi | sharpe: were you the one who found that one "interesting" varible name? |
| 07:51:28 | sharpe | nope, was someone else |
| 07:51:29 | midkay | finally, compiled.. |
| 07:51:44 | midkay | Kyomi, what? interesting? :) |
| 07:51:52 | Kyomi | Hold on :) |
| 07:51:55 | sharpe | just a variable named 'fuck' in the doom source :) |
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| 07:52:14 | Kyomi | [22:16] <Mikachu> am_map.c: static int fuck = 0; |
| 07:52:23 | midkay | haha. kkurbjun's work, or id's? :) |
| 07:52:38 | sharpe | bob's work. |
| 07:52:41 | sharpe | it was bob. |
| 07:52:41 | Kyomi | I'd laugh my arse off if it was ID |
| 07:52:44 | sharpe | that bob. |
| 07:52:46 | sharpe | the guy. |
| 07:52:47 | midkay | i bet it was. haha. |
| 07:52:50 | sharpe | grr bob |
| 07:52:56 | midkay | sharpe, you know what. you're insane. |
| 07:53:03 | sharpe | i may be. |
| 07:53:03 | midkay | so.. |
| 07:53:07 | midkay | wpz = uncompressed zip? |
| 07:53:10 | sharpe | aye |
| 07:53:17 | midkay | bitmaps go in root as well as WPS? |
| 07:53:20 | midkay | or in a folder? |
| 07:53:24 | sharpe | in the folder |
| 07:53:31 | midkay | k |
| 07:53:42 | sharpe | correct folder, mind you. :) |
| 07:53:56 | midkay | yezzir. :) |
| 07:54:02 | sharpe | lol... |
| 07:54:04 | midkay | wait. so. |
| 07:54:09 | midkay | it only extracts file.wps and /file? |
| 07:54:14 | midkay | or everything? |
| 07:54:25 | sharpe | well, from the code, everything. |
| 07:54:32 | sharpe | but, only 55 entries |
| 07:54:40 | sharpe | starting from the first one |
| 07:54:42 | midkay | why that? |
| 07:55:08 | sharpe | 52 for all possible images, one entry for the folder, one for the .wps, and one for an extra file |
| 07:55:24 | sharpe | like credits and such |
| 07:55:52 | midkay | why did you limit it? |
| 07:56:01 | sharpe | less memory usage |
| 07:56:03 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:56:12 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 07:56:15 | sharpe | and it's supposed to only have that many files |
| 07:56:38 | midkay | what the hell is that icon? |
| 07:56:48 | sharpe | random hex vales |
| 07:56:49 | sharpe | values |
| 07:56:50 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:56:56 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:57:07 | midkay | data abort. |
| 07:57:33 | * | Paul_The_Nerd does the iPod cheer. |
| 07:57:42 | midkay | wheee |
| 07:57:43 | sharpe | did you copy the built rockbox.ipod too? |
| 07:57:50 | midkay | make zip + extracted |
| 07:58:56 | sharpe | are you sureee? |
| 07:58:57 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:59:05 | midkay | 100% positive. :) |
| 07:59:08 | midkay | or. |
| 07:59:09 | midkay | no. |
| 07:59:11 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:59:15 | sharpe | hah! |
| 07:59:16 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:59:17 | midkay | my bad.. |
| 07:59:21 | midkay | i had a rockbox.ipod in /.rockbox |
| 07:59:37 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:59:48 | midkay | you win this time. |
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| 08:00:03 | sharpe | sharpe : 1, midkay : 0 |
| 08:00:49 | midkay | cool, works fully. |
| 08:01:03 | sharpe | :D |
| 08:01:08 | midkay | nice job :) |
| 08:01:12 | sharpe | thank you |
| 08:01:30 | sharpe | try it with a compressed zip :) |
| 08:01:39 | midkay | i'm going to try a number of things... :) |
| 08:01:48 | sharpe | to try to break it? |
| 08:02:05 | midkay | yep! |
| 08:02:08 | sharpe | heh |
| 08:06:23 | midkay | you better change that compression error. :) |
| 08:07:25 | sharpe | aww... |
| 08:07:39 | sharpe | nobody has a sense of humor anymore :) |
| 08:07:52 | midkay | yes, it's funny. no, it's not appropriate. ;) |
| 08:07:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least with that one you'll *never* have people showing up in the forums saying "What does <blah> mean?" |
| 08:08:15 | Kyomi | lol |
| 08:08:22 | Kyomi | midkay: Whats the message? |
| 08:08:24 | midkay | "Uncompressed files only!" is sufficient? |
| 08:08:38 | midkay | Kyomi, atm it's like.. "What part of *uncompressed* is confusing?" |
| 08:09:03 | Kyomi | lol |
| 08:11:08 | sharpe | instead of the error message, i'll just have it do "clean("/.rockbox/");" |
| 08:11:16 | midkay | hzha. |
| 08:12:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I am a firm believer that Rockbox needs to be more abusive once the manual becomes finished. |
| 08:12:16 | Kyomi | Yes |
| 08:12:17 | sharpe | i'm paving the way :) |
| 08:12:18 | Kyomi | omg yes |
| 08:12:22 | Kyomi | It'd be sooo funny |
| 08:12:38 | Kyomi | Although I'm a bit confused as to how you make an uncompressed zip file |
| 08:12:53 | midkay | then don't make WPZ files!! |
| 08:12:55 | midkay | ;) |
| 08:13:10 | Kyomi | Errr...wha? |
| 08:13:14 | sharpe | kyomi, what do you use for zipping files? |
| 08:13:23 | Kyomi | winrar |
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| 08:13:39 | midkay | choose compression level "store" |
| 08:13:39 | Kyomi | Normally I just use sfx |
| 08:13:42 | sharpe | well, when you add files to a zip, you can select the compression level |
| 08:13:44 | midkay | which means no compression |
| 08:13:54 | Kyomi | But I'm starting to use solid state archive |
| 08:14:31 | sharpe | i don't really like 'quick zip' much... |
| 08:14:48 | sharpe | for use with rockbox anyway |
| 08:15:02 | sharpe | for extracting the zips... |
| 08:16:11 | sharpe | so, any problems with it so far midkay? |
| 08:16:20 | midkay | sharpe, seems to work fine.. i made an icon. |
| 08:16:24 | sharpe | yay |
| 08:16:33 | Kyomi | lol..woah |
| 08:16:39 | Kyomi | You can make icons with it? |
| 08:16:41 | midkay | somewhat ambiguous, since it's hard to show a compressed WPS within 5x7 pixels, but.. :) |
| 08:16:48 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 08:16:52 | midkay | Kyomi, i mean rockbox icon for WPZ files.. |
| 08:17:01 | Kyomi | Ahhhh |
| 08:17:09 | midkay | it's just a folder icon with alternate pixels inside it.. |
| 08:17:12 | midkay | e.g. 'compressed'.. |
| 08:17:37 | midkay | looks nice anyways, way better than anything else i could come up with.. would also look good for zip files. |
| 08:17:42 | sharpe | you can also cure cancer with it, but doom conflicts with it's compilation, so the cure part is out of the build for now |
| 08:17:53 | midkay | hahaha |
| 08:18:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom is clearly more important that cancer curing MP3 players |
| 08:18:44 | sharpe | well, it's cancer curing, minus the curing... |
| 08:18:56 | sharpe | so it's just carcinogenic |
| 08:19:46 | midkay | sharpe, hmm.. do you mind if i change a few things to how i think they should be, and send it back at you? |
| 08:19:47 | Shonky | any gigabeat hackers here? |
| 08:20:00 | sharpe | midkay... like what few things? :) |
| 08:20:41 | midkay | ERROR_TIME, the errors, all your stupid tab indents.. |
| 08:20:49 | sharpe | i like my tabs. |
| 08:20:55 | midkay | rockbox doesn't. :) |
| 08:20:59 | sharpe | and error_time was going to be something else. |
| 08:21:05 | sharpe | but decided not to... |
| 08:21:05 | midkay | so.... |
| 08:21:11 | Kyomi | If playing Doom gives you cancer |
| 08:21:12 | sharpe | do whatever it was supposed to be |
| 08:21:15 | Kyomi | Consider me dead already |
| 08:21:18 | midkay | just extending the time. |
| 08:21:23 | midkay | way too short to read any of your messages.. |
| 08:21:27 | sharpe | well, it's on 5g that it causes cancer |
| 08:21:40 | sharpe | which is why it doesn't execute correctly for the 5g |
| 08:21:42 | Kyomi | What about the H320? |
| 08:21:51 | sharpe | h320 is carcinogen free |
| 08:22:02 | Kyomi | yay |
| 08:22:12 | sharpe | :D |
| 08:23:16 | sharpe | the only reason it's at one second for the error time, is because it's what i read it at, and didn't bother to change it yet |
| 08:23:34 | midkay | sharpe, well, do up all your changes and then let me have a look please :) |
| 08:23:44 | midkay | or if you want this back, i'm done with it.. |
| 08:23:53 | sharpe | what be your changes? |
| 08:24:05 | midkay | errors simplified/beautified, longer error splash time, tabs replaced with 4 spaces.. |
| 08:24:29 | sharpe | well, lets see how long it takes me to do that. |
| 08:24:39 | midkay | depends on how you beautify them. |
| 08:27:16 | midkay | btw, the icon: 7e 6b 55 6a 7e 00 |
| 08:27:25 | sharpe | 'kay |
| 08:28:11 | sharpe | ooh, i must fix something. |
| 08:28:28 | sharpe | or, |
| 08:28:44 | sharpe | should i have it exit the plugin after it can't create an output file? |
| 08:28:57 | midkay | noooooo! ;) |
| 08:29:01 | sharpe | or leave it as it is? |
| 08:30:00 | Kyomi | I like the error |
| 08:30:13 | Kyomi | The compression error that is |
| 08:30:33 | sharpe | think it's too quick? |
| 08:31:11 | midkay | sharpe, waay too quick.. |
| 08:31:15 | midkay | HZ*2 at least |
| 08:31:22 | sharpe | tis what i have it at now. |
| 08:32:46 | midkay | that's good. |
| 08:32:48 | sharpe | heh, nice icon midkay |
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| 08:32:56 | midkay | ty i guess :) |
| 08:36:34 | sharpe | any other ideas for it? |
| 08:37:19 | midkay | if you're preparing to submit it.. add a header-thingamajig.. |
| 08:37:27 | sharpe | yeah, i know |
| 08:39:53 | sharpe | i'm going to wait until later today to submit it |
| 08:39:58 | sharpe | like, when i wake up |
| 08:40:54 | midkay | what a loser! |
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| 08:42:49 | sharpe | so midkay, what do you think of the whole idea, including the .wpz extension? :D |
| 08:43:20 | midkay | packaged WPS files is an excellent idea.. the plugin works great.. i'm only still rather iffy on the extension. :) |
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| 08:43:47 | XavierGr | wow building the cross-compiler for all targets is sure bothersome!!! |
| 08:43:55 | midkay | XavierGr, agreed |
| 08:44:05 | ashridah | all three of them? |
| 08:44:26 | XavierGr | well I just started to build it for m68k (coldfire) |
| 08:44:26 | sharpe | heh, i like the font used... |
| 08:44:46 | midkay | sharpe, what? |
| 08:44:58 | sharpe | the font used in the plugin |
| 08:44:59 | XavierGr | I have split blood in order to make it compile |
| 08:45:03 | sharpe | it sets it before it shows anything |
| 08:45:14 | sharpe | even though it's the default font |
| 08:45:18 | midkay | .. it's used in basically every plugin... :) |
| 08:45:19 | sharpe | it looks cool. |
| 08:45:24 | sharpe | :P |
| 08:51:04 | midkay | whaddaluser. |
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| 08:57:21 | XavierGr | I give up. The cross-compiler is built but the firmware refuses to be compiled |
| 08:57:37 | Kyomi | It hates you |
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| 08:58:28 | ashridah | XavierGr: in which way does it fail? |
| 08:59:04 | Bger | morning |
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| 09:02:54 | XavierGr | morning |
| 09:03:42 | Bger | problems with the crosscompiler ? |
| 09:03:54 | XavierGr | ashridah:it will stop at scrable.o with an error: file format not recognized |
| 09:04:03 | XavierGr | Bger: You lied!!! |
| 09:04:12 | XavierGr | It is a hell of a mess to build it |
| 09:04:13 | XavierGr | :D |
| 09:05:03 | XavierGr | ah I don't have perl installed |
| 09:05:11 | Bger | haha |
| 09:05:14 | XavierGr | and my virtual HD is out of space |
| 09:05:23 | Kyomi | horray for horrible MS programming |
| 09:05:26 | Bger | huh |
| 09:05:35 | Kyomi | It's gone from 1:59 to 3:00 :P |
| 09:05:38 | XavierGr | does anyone know how to increase the vhd space? |
| 09:05:47 | Bger | XavierGr i just don't get why would you need X too ... |
| 09:05:56 | XavierGr | for simulator |
| 09:06:02 | Bger | ah, yes |
| 09:06:21 | XavierGr | and vmware tools dont install correctly on the current rockbox vmware image |
| 09:06:56 | XavierGr | (because I managed to build the simulator on the rockbox vmware image, you just need xserver and a window manager, along with libsdl-dev) |
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| 09:09:57 | XavierGr | hmfp! 2GB is just the installation of Ubuntu alone. Too much storage waste |
| 09:10:11 | XavierGr | I even tried to build the crosscompiler with puppy linux |
| 09:10:21 | XavierGr | (and dsl and feather linux) |
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| 09:10:48 | ashridah | XavierGr: so remove chunks of it, like evolution, firefox, openoffice, etc |
| 09:10:54 | ashridah | that'll free up giant wads of space |
| 09:11:15 | XavierGr | yeah open-office will be useless to me |
| 09:11:33 | Galois | you can get away with removing X, if all you want it for is rockbox |
| 09:11:40 | Galois | oh, oops, sim |
| 09:11:41 | ashridah | Galois: simulator. |
| 09:11:45 | Galois | screw the sim |
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| 09:15:26 | XavierGr | ha found it. |
| 09:15:46 | XavierGr | There is a command line utility to make vhd larger |
| 09:23:11 | bluebrother^ | is there a possibility to make a screenshot of the id3 screen of the archos player using the sim? |
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| 09:30:52 | midkay | amiconn? |
| 09:32:08 | midkay | oh, never mind. |
| 09:34:55 | RedBreva | OK, I may be missing something really obvious here... I can't find the option to create a bookmark on the H140... :( |
| 09:35:49 | midkay | hold select, i think, to get the context menu.. |
| 09:36:01 | midkay | then go to "bookmarks" and then "create bookmark" |
| 09:36:10 | RedBreva | Doh! |
| 09:36:21 | midkay | :) |
| 09:39:26 | * | Bger just learned something new |
| 09:39:44 | ashridah | RedBreva: the unit can also be configured to create a bookmark when you stop a file |
| 09:39:53 | ashridah | handy for audio books |
| 09:41:40 | RedBreva | ashridah - Thanks, I did know that bit, but am just trying to ensure the main menu section of the manual reads correctly, and it looks to be completely out of date in this area. I think we need a 'Context Menu' section... |
| 09:42:21 | RedBreva | Looks like Bookmarking got moved from Main to Context at some point |
| 09:42:39 | midkay | RedBreva, which manual is that? |
| 09:43:09 | RedBreva | The new latex job |
| 09:43:56 | midkay | ah.. |
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| 09:44:28 | XavierGr | Bger: What? |
| 09:45:12 | Bger | XavierGr i didn't know how this bookmarking stuff works |
| 09:45:56 | XavierGr | :) |
| 09:48:00 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/ |
| 09:48:05 | Bagder | some pics from the event |
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| 09:51:33 | * | XavierGr drools |
| 09:51:51 | Bger | wow! at last |
| 09:52:59 | midkay | Bagder, i see you also uploaded the fullsize pics.. any chance of linking to them from the smaller version? |
| 09:53:02 | Kyomi | world of warcraft? |
| 09:53:19 | Bagder | midkay: yes, I intend to do that |
| 09:53:33 | midkay | cool :) |
| 09:54:18 | midkay | "Christi and Brandon had still now showed up at the conference place" |
| 09:54:20 | midkay | -now+not |
| 09:54:44 | midkay | "wondering about in the cold." -wondering+wandering. :) |
| 09:55:08 | Bagder | thanks |
| 09:55:20 | amiconn | good morning |
| 09:55:30 | * | amiconn spots Bagder around :) |
| 09:55:49 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 09:55:52 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:56:06 | * | amiconn is waiting for langv2 |
| 09:56:24 | Bagder | yeah |
| 09:56:31 | Bagder | me do a commit tonight or tomorrow I think |
| 09:56:53 | midkay | "two boxes of chocalate" chocolate. :) |
| 09:57:07 | midkay | hey.. |
| 09:57:08 | midkay | http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/t_IMG_4281.JPG |
| 09:57:19 | midkay | i have the reverse of that! |
| 09:57:31 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:57:44 | midkay | let me imageshack it |
| 09:57:49 | Bagder | please do! |
| 09:57:56 | midkay | http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4024/smile0tw.jpg |
| 09:57:58 | midkay | at least i think it is.. |
| 09:58:10 | Bagder | seems likely |
| 09:58:32 | amiconn | I'll then o through the strings again and merge what can be merged (our extra _PLAYER cases mostly) |
| 09:58:38 | amiconn | s/o/go/ |
| 09:58:45 | Bagder | yeps |
| 09:59:50 | midkay | i was considering sending you that, Bagder, but never really decided to or got around to it. it might make a nice addition to that page right beneath the cam shot, though. :) |
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| 10:00:27 | midkay | Bagder, cool page though, nice work.. way more than i expected to see :) |
| 10:00:55 | * | Bagder bows |
| 10:01:11 | amiconn | midkay: Btw, is there a reson why you Capitalized Almost Every Word in the strings? |
| 10:01:25 | midkay | amiconn, To Unify Case :) |
| 10:02:02 | midkay | every other string was Capitalized-Every-Word so i Had to Decide what to Do, and i Thought that Initial Capital Letters were TheBestChoice. |
| 10:02:03 | amiconn | I thought the rule in english.lang was to capitalize only the first letter of each menu item |
| 10:02:18 | midkay | was it? then it definitely wasn't being followed.. |
| 10:02:25 | XavierGr | any news from the guy that was making an updated vmware image? I really start to loose my temper with this.... |
| 10:02:50 | midkay | first letter of each word for the menu items seemed considerably more common than just capitalizing the first letter of the string, so i went with that.. makes a bit more sense to me, too.. considering it's a menu.. |
| 10:03:07 | XavierGr | trying to build crosscompiler from Ubuntu, seems that it doesn't like |
| 10:03:09 | XavierGr | ^me |
| 10:03:26 | amiconn | Hmm, okay. It's definitely better to have one style than several |
| 10:04:15 | midkay | amiconn, yeah, looked really ugly with almost every other string being capitalized in different places.. title case was most common from what i could see, and also made the most sense, so i went with it.. |
| 10:04:29 | safetydan | UI conventions tend to have menu entries with the first letter of each word capitalised |
| 10:04:42 | safetydan | At least the Gnome HIG has that anyway |
| 10:04:46 | midkay | safetydan, yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 10:05:25 | midkay | Play Selected First, Resume on startup, Anti-Skip Buffer. |
| 10:05:31 | midkay | for example.. ew. |
| 10:05:31 | midkay | :) |
| 10:05:59 | amiconn | Somehow I didn't spot that the capitalisation of the english strings was so different. |
| 10:06:04 | Galois | my gnome is slightly inconsistent then |
| 10:06:22 | Galois | "Preferred Applications" "Network proxy" |
| 10:06:38 | safetydan | Galois, it's "Network Proxy" here |
| 10:06:41 | Galois | "File types and programs" "Keyboard Shortcuts" |
| 10:06:43 | safetydan | maybe they fixed it in 2.14 :) |
| 10:06:44 | Galois | this is redhat bluecurve |
| 10:06:46 | midkay | amiconn, hm, each time i go in the menus i notice it and it bugs me.. although that's the kind of thing i'd notice anyways. :) |
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| 10:06:49 | amiconn | Then I'm using german most of the time, only switching to english when I want to look up the english strings for explanations where to find something in the menu |
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| 10:07:44 | Bagder | midkay: ok, now links to all the original-sized pictures |
| 10:07:55 | midkay | Bagder, great, thx |
| 10:08:12 | midkay | Linus looks extremely enthusiastic here.. http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/IMG_4275.JPG |
| 10:08:13 | midkay | :) |
| 10:08:36 | Bagder | hehe, yeah |
| 10:08:40 | amiconn | (or testing english voices) |
| 10:08:51 | midkay | hahaha |
| 10:08:51 | XavierGr | I 've got a great shot of linus from the webcam :D |
| 10:09:27 | XavierGr | where do I sent it? |
| 10:09:44 | Bagder | XavierGr: you can email it to me daniel at rockbox dot org |
| 10:10:20 | XavierGr | quality isn't good. I just catcht him yawing |
| 10:10:46 | midkay | ooh, i wanaa seeeeee :) |
| 10:11:08 | XavierGr | damn gmail seems to be down again |
| 10:11:13 | midkay | alright. alright. alright. now i'll finish up those darned quickscreens.. |
| 10:15:32 | amiconn | Bagder: Does the langv2 script now have an option to output a file for the voice scripts? |
| 10:15:42 | Bagder | not yet, no |
| 10:15:47 | Bagder | I'll fix that before I commit |
| 10:15:57 | amiconn | (i.e. langv1 format with just id: and voice:) |
| 10:16:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:16:50 | amiconn | Will you put in charset conversion, or should I look into doing that in the vbscript? |
| 10:17:30 | Bagder | I will not convert charsets in the first version at least |
| 10:17:37 | amiconn | Hmm, okay |
| 10:17:49 | amiconn | Probably it even makes more sense |
| 10:18:06 | amiconn | We would have to tell the perl script which destination charset we want |
| 10:18:42 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:18:45 | amiconn | The vbscript can perhaps figure it out via some windows-specific function |
| 10:19:05 | amiconn | Less options to pass around |
| 10:19:11 | safetydan | Right. Time to go away for a month. Good luck with the 3.0 release. |
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| 10:19:22 | amiconn | meh |
| 10:19:36 | amiconn | That was quick... |
| 10:20:01 | amiconn | The graphic equalizer UI needs work to fit on the mini's screen |
| 10:24:52 | midkay | hmmm.. |
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| 10:25:31 | midkay | anyone know why puts_scroll seems to display a line where it should be but if it's long enough to need scrolling, it scrolls the line in a different position? *confused* |
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| 10:28:04 | midkay | ah, i might have figured it out. |
| 10:28:38 | Bagder | amiconn: for the voice output, I figure I should output the id: and voice: lines in the english order? |
| 10:32:36 | midkay | wtf.. |
| 10:33:09 | midkay | having the statusbar enabled/disabled seems to be independent of setting the margins? i.e. even if i set them to (0,0) if the statusbar is on it moves them down, what, like 8 pixels? |
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| 10:37:38 | midkay | amiconn, do you know? <midkay> having the statusbar enabled/disabled seems to be independent of setting the margins? i.e. even if i set them to (0,0) if the statusbar is on it moves them down, what, like 8 pixels? |
| 10:38:36 | amiconn_ | Bagder: yes, voice needs the IDs in english.lang order |
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| 10:41:16 | amiconn | midkay: Maybe. I'm not that familiar with the margins concept, and I didn't touch it with my gfx work. |
| 10:41:25 | * | midkay sobs |
| 10:41:46 | amiconn | After 3.0 we will do the transition to viewports, then the old margins become obsolete |
| 10:41:56 | midkay | i could just disable the status bar in the quickscreens.. any opinions? |
| 10:42:06 | amiconn | hmm? |
| 10:42:11 | midkay | well.. it's nice to see the effect of "status bar" on and off... |
| 10:42:50 | midkay | i guess i'll just do the placement based on statusbar on/off.. |
| 10:43:01 | amiconn | You mean if you switch the status bar the scroll thread doesn't know about it and therefore puts the scrolling line in a different place? |
| 10:43:18 | midkay | no, that was an unrelated problem.. |
| 10:43:37 | midkay | i was setting the margins where i called puts_scroll and then changed them again, and it seemed to scroll based on the latest change.. |
| 10:43:44 | midkay | which made sense.. |
| 10:43:47 | midkay | in a stupid way.. ;) |
| 10:44:30 | amiconn | Hmm. The scroll thread doesn't store the margin settings as they were at the time each scrolling line got added |
| 10:45:04 | midkay | yeah, i guess it just scrolls based on what they are "right now"? |
| 10:45:06 | amiconn | There are only global margin variables. So the line will jump if you change a margin while a scrolling line is still displayed |
| 10:45:34 | midkay | right. okay. |
| 10:45:46 | amiconn | You would need to remove all scrolling lines before changing margin |
| 10:45:54 | midkay | makes my job like 402% more difficult!! |
| 10:46:08 | amiconn | ...i.e. lcd_clear_display(), then redraw everything |
| 10:46:46 | midkay | gotcha |
| 10:47:08 | amiconn | But in fact your discovery has an important point - with the upcoming viewports concept we also need to be able to remoe single scrolling lines |
| 10:47:51 | amiconn | So then then-to-be scrolling text function (lcd_putsxy_scroll() ??) should return the ID of the scrolling line |
| 10:47:54 | midkay | hooray for inadvertent, useful discoveries that provoke thought and consideration!!! |
| 10:48:14 | midkay | lcd_putsxy_scroll would be extremely useful at the quickscreens.. |
| 10:48:57 | amiconn | Yes, and it will aso be usefull to be able to clip at the right edge as well |
| 10:49:16 | midkay | yes, especially that.. i'm still wondering the best way to right-align the text and icon. |
| 10:49:40 | amiconn | ...and the scrolling line stores its viewport settings (background & foreground colour etc) |
| 10:49:51 | midkay | i think that just if the string is longer than the LCD, add two spaces to the end of it and scroll that, drawing the icon on top of it. |
| 10:49:56 | amiconn | But that's all post-3.0 stuff |
| 10:49:59 | midkay | cool :) |
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| 10:55:50 | XavierGr | well good morning all... |
| 10:56:00 | XavierGr | I am going to my bed :D |
| 10:56:10 | midkay | night XavierGr :) |
| 10:56:22 | amiconn | XavierGr: At noon? |
| 10:56:48 | XavierGr | yeah I am an allnighter |
| 10:56:59 | XavierGr | I woke up at 8.00pm yesterday aahaha |
| 10:57:26 | XavierGr | see you later, bye |
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| 11:11:52 | linuxstb | sharpe: Are you around? |
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| 12:07:52 | PiXEL8 | Hi |
| 12:08:01 | midkay | hey |
| 12:08:27 | PiXEL8 | is there any eta on when the mod/xm codec will be working? |
| 12:08:41 | midkay | no.. |
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| 12:09:15 | PiXEL8 | k |
| 12:09:36 | ashridah | is anyone even working on that anymore? |
| 12:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody's working on it at the moment, I believe |
| 12:10:04 | ashridah | we probably should mark various stagnant codecs with 'needs developer/maintainer' in the tables |
| 12:10:37 | midkay | woohoo, quick screens are working perfectly now.. |
| 12:10:43 | midkay | as good as it gets without viewport ability.. |
| 12:10:59 | midkay | i'll add access to the quickscreen for iPod i think.. |
| 12:11:58 | ashridah | quickscreen? |
| 12:12:12 | midkay | which player do you have? |
| 12:12:25 | midkay | it's a screen that lets you quick-configure three settings using left, right and down.. |
| 12:12:40 | midkay | repeat mode, shuffle, and "show files". |
| 12:14:26 | ashridah | ah |
| 12:14:33 | ashridah | i know the one you mean |
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| 12:21:07 | nls | midkay, you were the guy who adapted wormlet to the new targets, right? |
| 12:21:37 | midkay | nls, yes.. |
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| 12:22:08 | nls | any plans on supporting multiplayer and different control modes on those |
| 12:22:56 | midkay | not for me, not really, no.. should be rather simple for the irivers, though. the ipods have no remote support yet.. |
| 12:23:09 | midkay | i could look into it if you'd like.. |
| 12:23:48 | nls | I just saw this when fiddling with the manual page.. |
| 12:24:19 | midkay | ah, well, it's not exactly on my todo list :) |
| 12:24:54 | nls | heh :) |
| 12:25:46 | nls | It's like this with many older plugins anyway, the bare minimum to make them work on a new platform has been done. |
| 12:26:05 | midkay | true.. if i had an iriver and a remote, i might be a bit more eager to do it.. |
| 12:26:17 | midkay | i'm more into doing things that i can test and use myself, though. |
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| 12:42:45 | * | linuxstb wonders what everyone is doing on the last day before feature freeze... |
| 12:43:09 | midkay | just committed a quickscreen update.. |
| 12:43:11 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 12:43:26 | midkay | you? |
| 12:43:50 | * | nls is packing bags (or should pack bags) |
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| 12:47:35 | linuxstb | No, I'm doing nothing today. |
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| 12:48:11 | linuxstb | My Sudoku updates yesterday were the only thing on my "must do before feature freeze" list. |
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| 12:51:03 | midkay | :) |
| 12:51:07 | midkay | hmmm. |
| 12:51:13 | midkay | what to doooo.. |
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| 12:58:20 | RedBreva | Anychance of someone having a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4981 - Completely reworked 'Main Menu' chapter for the manual and some screenshots... |
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| 13:02:29 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: just checked it in. |
| 13:03:43 | RedBreva | Cool, thanks - I can concentrate on finding the rest of the screenshots and key presses for other platforms now ;-) |
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| 13:04:38 | bluebrother^ | I just wanted to make some small modifications before. |
| 13:04:46 | bluebrother^ | are you french? |
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| 13:10:12 | Hyperbit | HI |
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| 13:11:01 | Hyperbit | look ^^ http://scriptasyl.de/Rockbox/ |
| 13:11:04 | JdGordon | hey guys |
| 13:11:15 | midkay | hmmm |
| 13:11:18 | midkay | hey JdGordon |
| 13:14:23 | RedBreva | bluebrother^ : No, English |
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| 13:15:15 | midkay | amiconn, do you know why recent builds for recorder have a filetype array full error? |
| 13:16:20 | amiconn | Did you replace the full build? |
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| 13:16:41 | amiconn | I got that when adding wavplay, but solved it by upping the number of allowed filetypes |
| 13:16:48 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 13:16:57 | midkay | overwrote anything old.. |
| 13:18:42 | amiconn | Perhaps some old plugins laying around? |
| 13:18:54 | midkay | really? how would that make a difference? |
| 13:19:12 | midkay | does that refer to the viewers? |
| 13:19:20 | linuxstb | Hyperbit: Very nice. If only we had something physical to put inside that box. |
| 13:19:40 | amiconn | Check the file dates in viewers/ and rocks/, and remove all .rock files which are older than your latest build |
| 13:21:46 | midkay | ah, i had some old stuff, like bejeweled from before it was renamed.. |
| 13:21:47 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: I noticed some "french" typographic "glitches". |
| 13:22:16 | * | amiconn spots bluebrother |
| 13:22:21 | bluebrother^ | the french people usually write a space between words and marks like : and ! |
| 13:22:25 | midkay | still getting it.. not related to your lang update possibly? |
| 13:22:38 | bluebrother^ | which isn't done in english. |
| 13:22:52 | amiconn | bluebrother^: As you updated the archos table in the manual: I think the complete table makes no sense anymore with your move towards target specific manuals |
| 13:23:06 | RedBreva | As in menu options : Like this? |
| 13:23:12 | amiconn | s/your move/our move/ |
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| 13:25:41 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: yes. |
| 13:26:18 | bluebrother^ | the french people have some funny "style guidelines" for typesetting imo. |
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| 13:26:56 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: I'm with you - in English, there shouldn't be a space before the colon. |
| 13:27:32 | bluebrother^ | amiconn: you're right. But I also thought of adding a "supported devices" table to the appendix. So this could become the archos page for this. |
| 13:27:43 | RedBreva | I changed to that because the font that was being shown for those headings has an almost invisible space, and it looked terrible without it, but the font seems to be different now!! |
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| 13:28:28 | amiconn | bluebrother^: Sounds like a good idea. |
| 13:28:35 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: as I already discussed with tucoz we decided to go for the description environment on places like that. |
| 13:29:15 | bluebrother^ | If we later on want to have bullets (as the description environment doesn't have them usually) we can change this globally in the preamble. |
| 13:29:20 | Paprica | Nico_P around? |
| 13:29:40 | Paprica | oh no |
| 13:29:40 | Paprica | =\ |
| 13:30:17 | bluebrother^ | You also shouldn't care to much for the actual "look" −− thats the cause we're using macros for stuff like \note, \fname and so on. |
| 13:30:34 | RedBreva | Why does 3.8 have a differing font to 5.1 (Player manual) for the menu names... for example? |
| 13:31:05 | Moos | bluebrother^: I'll clean as possible the french.lang |
| 13:31:11 | bluebrother^ | so we don't need to change it on every place when we want to cange it globally. |
| 13:31:17 | bluebrother^ | Moos: I'm german ;-) |
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| 13:31:26 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 13:31:52 | bluebrother^ | I only suspected RedBreva to be french because the additional space in typesetting I only know from french people. |
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| 13:32:34 | RedBreva | And the fact that my knowledge of english grammar is so poor ... :D |
| 13:32:36 | * | Moos is reading the logs |
| 13:33:06 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: you mean the description in section 5.1 compared to the one in 3.8? |
| 13:33:33 | Hyperbit | linuxstb: what do you mean with physikal thing? |
| 13:33:36 | RedBreva | But that should have told you that I must be English, if you learn a 'foreign' language, you generally learn the details much better than a native speaker" |
| 13:33:42 | RedBreva | Yes |
| 13:34:04 | linuxstb | Hyperbit: I mean that that is a design for a box, but there is nothing we could put inside it. So it's nice, but useless. |
| 13:34:09 | bluebrother^ | simply because it isn't adjusted in chapter 5 yet. |
| 13:35:02 | bluebrother^ | I had the idea of adding a table with all shipped themes. |
| 13:35:24 | bluebrother^ | like a wps screenshot and the name in the appendix. |
| 13:35:29 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: That would be nice, but a lot of screenshots needed. |
| 13:35:54 | RedBreva | so is the correct synax \item[Menu Name text: ] ? inside a \begin{description}? |
| 13:36:01 | bluebrother^ | linuxstb: I think it would be sufficient to have the wps only. Maybe one or two other screens. |
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| 13:36:31 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: yes. The description title is the optional argument of \item (thus the []) |
| 13:37:00 | RedBreva | Ahhhh, now it's starting to make sense - |
| 13:37:10 | linuxstb | I just mean that one screenshot per WPS per target soon adds up. Also, I wouldn't do that yet - I'm sure the WPSs that will ship with 3.0 won't be the same as the ones there currently. |
| 13:37:16 | bluebrother^ | I've added a note on this to the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines#Descriptions |
| 13:37:54 | RedBreva | OK, I will continue later, must dash - shopping to be done :( |
| 13:38:03 | bluebrother^ | cu |
| 13:38:40 | bluebrother^ | linuxstb: I also think this has pretty much low priority. But I like the idea. |
| 13:39:19 | bluebrother^ | ATM I'm trying to concentrate on cleaning the tex code up so we get a better base. |
| 13:40:18 | bluebrother^ | the tables are still producing headaches to me :( |
| 13:40:34 | Hyperbit | linuxstb: its only a comercial gag.. but we can put a little bit love into ;D |
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| 13:40:53 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: Definitely - don't make extra work for yourself. |
| 13:41:02 | linuxstb | Hyperbit: I know it's not serious - and my reply wasn't serious. |
| 13:41:22 | bluebrother^ | Hyperbit: I like the "box". Maybe we could use something as a little announcement gag for 3.0? |
| 13:41:23 | Hyperbit | :P |
| 13:41:44 | bluebrother^ | "grab your box ... now at your local dealer" |
| 13:41:58 | midkay | alright, what have i missed? |
| 13:42:09 | bluebrother^ | or should we say "at your local internet connection"? |
| 13:42:37 | JdGordon | "at your local dealer" <- sounds like drugs... :p |
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| 13:42:49 | linuxstb | midkay: http://scriptasyl.de/Rockbox/ |
| 13:43:17 | Hyperbit | X-D |
| 13:43:18 | midkay | haha. ooh. |
| 13:43:26 | * | ashridah believes that the next sound test on a new unit should be http://filesingularity.timedoctor.org/bananaphone.mp3 |
| 13:43:28 | ashridah | :) |
| 13:43:49 | JdGordon | ashridah: thats my ringtone on my mobile |
| 13:43:59 | ashridah | that's an awesome idea |
| 13:44:19 | ashridah | pity getting mp3's onto my mobile is a bitch atm thanks to my main devel workstation being hosed :( |
| 13:45:01 | ashridah | pity the version i have is a little cut off near the end :( |
| 13:45:02 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That must drive you and everyone around you insane... |
| 13:45:24 | JdGordon | my fone doesnt ring that often :( and its normally on vibrator anyway |
| 13:45:30 | Bger | lol |
| 13:45:43 | ashridah | same here |
| 13:45:57 | * | midkay giggles. "vibrator". |
| 13:46:20 | midkay | wtf is with that song/whatever. |
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| 13:46:28 | ashridah | haha. mate of one my parentals thought he was having a heart attack first time his phone rang on vibrate |
| 13:46:53 | JdGordon | but, im glad its on vibrator... there have been some pretty gay rings coming from the international students' fones during some lectures |
| 13:46:54 | midkay | haha. |
| 13:47:03 | JdGordon | must be fun having 200+ ppl laughing at you |
| 13:47:30 | ashridah | JdGordon: haha. i saw someone throw someone else's half-way across a room when it went off with the jamster tone :) |
| 13:47:46 | JdGordon | hahaha |
| 13:47:46 | JdGordon | serves em right :D |
| 13:47:51 | ashridah | hell yeah |
| 13:48:29 | ashridah | "bananaphone, it's a phone with appeal" |
| 13:48:30 | ashridah | heh |
| 13:50:04 | Hyperbit | a rockbox strelsslesspackage would be nice... connect RockBox Player and a tool will stream the daily build on it... |
| 13:50:19 | Hyperbit | and i need a rockbox car venyl ;D |
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| 13:51:16 | * | JdGordon wants to add a random level creator to brickmania... any1 wanna suggest the best way to do it? |
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| 13:51:54 | midkay | my cellular bananular phone. |
| 13:52:14 | JdGordon | its no balony... it aint a pony! .. |
| 13:52:22 | midkay | hahaha |
| 13:52:22 | JdGordon | my cellular bananular phoooooooone. |
| 13:52:33 | amiconn | midkay: I'm now getting 'filetype array full' on Ondio as well... strange |
| 13:52:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm looking at the copy_read_sectors() function in ata.c - am I right in thinking that it is just a memcpy with (in some cases) byte-swapping? So on the ipods, (no byte-swapping needed afaics) we can just use memcpy? |
| 13:52:46 | amiconn | no |
| 13:52:58 | midkay | amiconn, hmmmm.. i was first curious if it was my latest quickscreen fix, but it doesn't seem possible.. |
| 13:53:08 | amiconn | It's a ata port->memory copy. The source address stays constant |
| 13:53:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Sorry... Just realised. |
| 13:54:14 | ashridah | JdGordon: isn't "balony" supposed to be spelled "bologne"? |
| 13:54:17 | ashridah | and it's "phony" |
| 13:54:22 | ashridah | not "pony" i'm pretty sure |
| 13:54:25 | JdGordon | yes, probably.. |
| 13:54:30 | midkay | haha. |
| 13:54:43 | JdGordon | no.. watch the flash animatino.. its pony |
| 13:54:54 | midkay | or the flash animation is wrong! |
| 13:55:02 | JdGordon | neva! |
| 13:55:12 | ashridah | flash version? |
| 13:55:14 | ashridah | where? |
| 13:55:23 | JdGordon | google.. :p |
| 13:55:27 | ashridah | bah |
| 13:55:44 | amiconn | midkay: Something is really fishy in filetypes.c. The number of allowed filetypes and exttypes is set considerably higher than what we have, but still we're getting these error messages |
| 13:56:04 | midkay | hm.. |
| 13:57:28 | amiconn | I've now upped the number of filetypes to 48, enough to get rid of the message |
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| 14:02:06 | midkay | what exactly is 'filetypes'? |
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| 14:12:01 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 14:21:14 | midkay | JdGordon, it IS phony. |
| 14:21:16 | midkay | so clearly. |
| 14:21:29 | JdGordon | ok, u win |
| 14:21:42 | midkay | operator get me bei-jing jing jing. |
| 14:21:55 | * | midkay rocks out |
| 14:22:14 | midkay | if anyone could see me right now... i'd.. go jump off a cliff. |
| 14:22:40 | midkay | a brother and sister and dog-a-phone. haha. |
| 14:23:36 | ashridah | "boop-beboop-beboop" |
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| 14:25:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: There's a dependency problem with the bitmaps and bitmap headers |
| 14:25:37 | linuxstb | I'm not surprised... Do you have an example? |
| 14:25:57 | linuxstb | Also, are you talking about the core or the plugins? |
| 14:26:16 | amiconn | When you replace rockboxlogo.for_your_unit.bmp with a file of different dimension, the logo display gets all messed up if you just 'make' |
| 14:26:29 | linuxstb | Ah, so the .h isn't recreated? |
| 14:26:35 | amiconn | It is... |
| 14:26:58 | midkay | [ding ding ding ding ding donanaphone..] |
| 14:26:58 | amiconn | My suspicion is that the libbitmaps*.a isn't rebuilt correctly |
| 14:29:12 | * | ashridah notes that his cunning plan to halt all rockbox development is coming to fruition >:) |
| 14:29:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm about to go out now, but I'll have a look later this afternoon. |
| 14:30:31 | midkay | ping pong ping pong ping PONANAPHONE. |
| 14:30:43 | midkay | doo-doo-doodoo-doo-doo. |
| 14:31:12 | midkay | ying yang ying yang ying yananaphone! |
| 14:32:08 | ashridah | wee, bug in the "next" WPS field. if it decodes more than one song ahead, it seems to skip ahead next too |
| 14:34:45 | midkay | bananaphone. |
| 14:34:50 | midkay | damn you, ashridah. |
| 14:34:54 | midkay | i can't control it anymore. |
| 14:35:12 | ashridah | badger badger badger badger badger AAAH SNAKE ITS A SNAKE |
| 14:35:17 | Hyperbit | dont some somany weed... ;D |
| 14:35:30 | midkay | smoke? so much? |
| 14:35:31 | Hyperbit | it seems u see a Banaphona PonanaPhone |
| 14:35:31 | midkay | :) |
| 14:35:39 | midkay | wtf. :) |
| 14:35:52 | * | ashridah isn't sure english is hyperbit's speciality |
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| 14:35:58 | midkay | yyeaah... |
| 14:35:59 | ashridah | :) |
| 14:36:30 | midkay | yeeeah.. i'm gonna go ahead and ask you to, shut up. oh, and if you could just, go ahead and... learn some english... that'd be great. |
| 14:36:38 | midkay | (jk to anyone who hasn't seen office space!!) |
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| 14:36:56 | JdGordon | hahaha |
| 14:37:52 | Hyperbit | ashridah seems to know me |
| 14:38:46 | midkay | heey JdGordon, whaaat's happening. oh, by the way, i'm gonna need you to go ahead, and, get back to work on your color picker. oh, and if you could just, go ahead and, jump off a cliff, when you're done... that'd be greeat. mmkay? |
| 14:39:06 | JdGordon | mmm... bbut,.. but.. |
| 14:39:20 | JdGordon | if they take my stapler, i swaer, im gonna burnn the building down.. |
| 14:39:33 | midkay | heeey JdGordon, what's happening. hey, did you get that memo. |
| 14:39:35 | ashridah | midkay: heh. the nightmare about lumberg doing his gf was hilarious in that movie |
| 14:39:38 | ashridah | then there's the printer |
| 14:39:44 | midkay | i'm gonna need you to go ahead and file some tps reports. mmkay? |
| 14:39:46 | midkay | ashridah, haha. yeah. |
| 14:39:47 | ashridah | i've thought about doing shit like that to printers from time to time |
| 14:40:12 | midkay | *looks over* heeey peter, what's happening. did you get those tps reports? mm.. |
| 14:40:20 | JdGordon | i have a nice printer/fax/scanner that u cant get ink for anymore.. so i might just take the bat to it :D |
| 14:41:07 | * | ashridah pats his laserjet |
| 14:41:43 | ashridah | there's an officeworks nearby that has my exact model of toner, it's awesome, and i've had it like two years and haven't had to replace the toner yet :) |
| 14:41:55 | midkay | haha. |
| 14:42:08 | ashridah | none of this 60-pages per cartridge that inkjets go on with |
| 14:42:13 | midkay | ashridah, if you could just go ahead and, shut the hell up, that'd be great. |
| 14:42:31 | ashridah | the printer cost me $700 australian mind you |
| 14:42:33 | ashridah | it wasn't cheap |
| 14:42:40 | ashridah | but it's already paid for itself in saved ink |
| 14:42:49 | midkay | oh, and if you could just, go ahead and, shut the hell up _now_... that'd be great. |
| 14:42:51 | JdGordon | nice, colour i assume? |
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| 14:42:57 | amiconn | kkurbjun: r u there? |
| 14:43:12 | midkay | jk ashridah!! |
| 14:45:29 | ashridah | JdGordon: nah, colour laserjet's are hella expensive |
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| 14:46:02 | JdGordon | 700$ for b+w sounds bloody expensive... |
| 14:46:30 | ashridah | for a decent quality laserjet? not really |
| 14:46:30 | midkay | not when it has a built-in ringringringringringringring bananaphoooone! |
| 14:48:12 | Mikachu | it's a phone with a(p)peal! |
| 14:48:36 | midkay | ping pong ping pong ping pong ping PONANAPHONE. |
| 14:48:41 | * | ashridah taps fingers together |
| 14:48:43 | ashridah | "excellent" |
| 14:48:58 | midkay | ying yang ying yang ying yang ying.. YANANAPHONE. |
| 14:49:08 | midkay | *converts to FLAC for iPod listening 24/7* |
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| 14:49:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've just confirmed your bitmap bug... I replaced the logo for my ipod color with a smaller one, and it is corrupted. Using "arm-elf-ar t libbitmapsnative.a" shows that both the old and new logos are in that archive, which is obviously the problem. |
| 14:49:49 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 14:50:36 | linuxstb | The problem is the "r" (replace) option. The .o files are called rockbox.220x176x16.o and rockbox.whatever.o - so the replace option doesn't replace. |
| 14:52:13 | amiconn | Hmm, so that means there are several objects in the .a, which all provide the rockboxlogo[] array? |
| 14:52:19 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 14:52:43 | linuxstb | So I'm assuming the linker just uses the first one. |
| 14:52:54 | ashridah | hahha. i love lecturers who write assignments that require students to use huge amounts of space in /tmp |
| 14:52:56 | amiconn | So we should call the generated .c just rockboxlogo.c, like it's done for the .h |
| 14:53:09 | ashridah | Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on |
| 14:53:10 | ashridah | swap 8.0G 8.0G 0K 100% /tmp |
| 14:53:15 | ashridah | 8GB and it's full :) |
| 14:54:04 | nls | bluebrother^, around? |
| 14:54:10 | bluebrother^ | yup. |
| 14:54:39 | nls | I fixed up the wormlet part but need to add multirow package, ok? |
| 14:54:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: That seems the cleanest solution. Or delete the .a file before generating it. I can't remember how easy it will be to rename the .o files, but it should be possible. |
| 14:54:59 | nls | I mean is that ok with you? |
| 14:55:42 | amiconn | Only one of the bitmapname.size_x_depth.bmp files is used for each target. So stripping the .size_x_depth part shouldn't cause problems |
| 14:56:02 | bluebrother^ | I have no problem with adding new packages as long as its not breaking the tables. |
| 14:56:16 | linuxstb | I think the problem will be the makefile rules - we currently have rules such as $(OBJDIR)/%.c: %.bmp - so if the .c has a different name to the .bmp, it won't work. |
| 14:56:58 | linuxstb | I _really_ have to leave now, I'll have a think about it. |
| 14:56:59 | linuxstb | bbl |
| 14:57:25 | nls | bluebrother^, not at all, I just needed it in this table, you gotta use "\multirow" command to use it, just like multicolumn. |
| 14:58:08 | nls | It was done with creepy table within table before |
| 14:59:49 | bluebrother^ | go ahead :) |
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| 15:01:34 | amiconn | Something is really wrong with the dB volume on iPod. I have to go considerably lower to get the same volume as on the other targets |
| 15:01:51 | amiconn | I'm now at -55 dB with my earphones |
| 15:02:18 | amiconn | Are the datasheets avilable for the WM* codecs? |
| 15:04:28 | Mikachu | i use between -25 and -15 |
| 15:04:45 | Mikachu | but i think my songs are replaygained about -10 to |
| 15:04:47 | Mikachu | o |
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| 15:06:53 | webmind | hmm, anyone care to venture on the possibility of that one day the nano might do video ? |
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| 15:07:48 | midkay | webmind, it already does with ipodlinux..? |
| 15:07:51 | midkay | are you asking about rockbox? |
| 15:08:15 | webmind | rockbox yes |
| 15:08:25 | midkay | if iPL can, rockbox can.. :) |
| 15:08:26 | webmind | didn't know with ipl either though :) |
| 15:08:30 | webmind | hehe |
| 15:08:31 | webmind | ok |
| 15:09:35 | midkay | ashridah, i'm going to bed and i'll fall asleep to bananaphone.flac!! |
| 15:09:41 | midkay | thanks to you. |
| 15:09:50 | ashridah | heh |
| 15:10:29 | midkay | so, night all. :) |
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| 15:11:28 | webmind | night midkay |
| 15:11:29 | JdGordon41 | bloody 25 yr old fridge.. decided to die @ 11pm :'( |
| 15:11:34 | bluebrother^ | can't believe it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananaphone |
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| 15:11:56 | Mikachu | um, .flac? |
| 15:12:15 | midkay | JdGordon41, that sucks! webmind, ty!!!! bluebrother^, haha. Mikachu, converted! |
| 15:12:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Amiconn: Just as a note, what iPod is your volume low on, and does it have the same WM as the Nano, or is it different, because they sound the same between my Nano and my H120... |
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| 15:12:26 | BoD[] | Hello, world! |
| 15:12:35 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: mini 2G |
| 15:13:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: as of last week at least, as far as I could tell the volumes were the same (within my hearing's ability to discern) on Nano and H120 |
| 15:13:41 | BoD[] | Hey, what is "Quickscreen" ? |
| 15:13:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Shortcut to some very commonly changed menu items. |
| 15:14:09 | BoD[] | ahh :) |
| 15:14:12 | BoD[] | interesting |
| 15:14:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:14:46 | BoD[] | i see in the cvs log that it's available on the ipod ? what is the key to go there? |
| 15:14:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, do my eyes deceive me, or is the FM Presets patch in CVS finally? |
| 15:14:53 | amiconn | Slasheri: Why did you disable the search plugin with your tagcache commit? |
| 15:14:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Hold down Menu |
| 15:15:17 | BoD[] | ok good :) thanx |
| 15:15:17 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with the searchengine stuff, it just searches .m3u files... |
| 15:16:33 | JdGordon41 | Paul_The_Nerd: about time that got added! |
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| 15:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I agree. Now my fm presets .zip is finally useful. :) |
| 15:19:36 | BoD[] | hey is it recommended to compile/update the bootloader frequently? |
| 15:19:44 | ashridah | no |
| 15:19:50 | ashridah | at least, depends on the platform |
| 15:20:07 | Mikachu | depends on what changes there have been... |
| 15:20:11 | ashridah | but generally, it's entirely possible that a minor change in rockbox completely breaks the bootloader, and leaving you with a dead unit |
| 15:20:34 | ashridah | particularly on flash-based booting units, like the iriver players |
| 15:21:06 | BoD[] | ok |
| 15:21:18 | BoD[] | thanks :) |
| 15:21:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: It is only recommended to update the bootloader when the file changes at IriverBoot, IpodBoot or IaudioBoot, and even then wait a day or two just to make sure there's not a "Oh, wait!" of some sort. |
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| 15:21:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | And even then, only if the changes are something you feel you can't live without |
| 15:21:55 | BoD[] | oh ok |
| 15:22:09 | BoD[] | ahah ok :) |
| 15:22:22 | BoD[] | there are lots of things I can't live without ;) |
| 15:22:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though admittedly updating the bootloader on the Ipod is much less of a deal than on anything else. |
| 15:22:32 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: boooring... i had fun updating to the v2 bootloader (h300) back in the day as soon as it was relased :D sif wait and make sure its safe... |
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| 15:23:25 | BoD[] | I'm happy the vendors always think of a "hardware" way of shutting the unit off |
| 15:23:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Didn't one of the H300 bootloaders have fairly serious problems? I know I used several of the H100 ones, I then later saw people have issues with the H300 ones, so it seemed fair to give warning. |
| 15:23:59 | JdGordon | na, it had some usb problem for some ppl.. v3 iirc... never affected me anyway |
| 15:24:08 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: they weren't fatal tho |
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| 15:24:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 15:24:57 | BoD[] | woops... compile errors after a cvs update |
| 15:25:39 | Mikachu | is the quick screen supposed to only have 3 things on it? |
| 15:25:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 15:25:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Repeat mode, Shuffle mode, and File View mode, right? |
| 15:26:00 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 15:27:37 | Mikachu | what was that talk about scrolling text then? it fits on my nano screen..? |
| 15:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Translations |
| 15:27:48 | Mikachu | ah |
| 15:27:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, the Nano has more pixels than the H120, X5, and Archoses |
| 15:28:16 | Mikachu | are the items supposed to be spread out in a strange pattern too? |
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| 15:28:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | One on the left, one on the right, and one at the bottom? |
| 15:28:46 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 15:28:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't know how it looks with the changes |
| 15:28:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. Because you press left to change the one on the left, right the one on the right, etc. |
| 15:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hopefully |
| 15:29:51 | webguest75 | Was really confusing when they were just in the corner of the screen, with no arrows as well |
| 15:30:17 | Mikachu | the icon for down is "wrong" on ipods though :) |
| 15:30:39 | Mikachu | also, abrepeat only has a $$ where it's supposed to be $Id: $ |
| 15:31:32 | Mikachu | nice that the cvs log for that file says it was committed just before the 2.5 feature freeze and that it's not 100% complete yet, and the only change since then is adding support for swcodec |
| 15:31:50 | BoD[] | by the way... why is the scroll bar on the left part of the screen |
| 15:32:07 | ashridah | because? |
| 15:32:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because? |
| 15:32:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shoot. |
| 15:32:37 | BoD[] | hm? |
| 15:32:54 | webguest75 | one's as good as another |
| 15:33:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's wrong with left? |
| 15:33:15 | Mikachu | most programs have it on the right |
| 15:33:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | And how many of those programs are rockbox? |
| 15:33:30 | BoD[] | well it's on the right side in most OSes |
| 15:33:52 | BoD[] | well... you know ... "principle of least surprise" |
| 15:33:59 | webguest75 | There's no surprise here |
| 15:34:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it's a scroll bar. You see it, you say "Ah, the scroll bar is there. Okay." |
| 15:34:31 | webguest75 | it's a scrollbar.. there's no logic that dictates that it belongs in either side of the window |
| 15:34:32 | BoD[] | i was surprised :) I admit, it's not a big deal... but why not doing it like the rest? |
| 15:34:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Surely the volume in dB causes a far greater amount of surprise. |
| 15:34:39 | JdGordon | can any1 tell me how to setup my linux "box" to check my isp email and forward it to my gmail account? |
| 15:35:13 | BoD[] | just my -1 cents |
| 15:35:26 | webguest75 | JdGordon: Can't you just instruct gmail to check it directly? |
| 15:35:34 | JdGordon | no? |
| 15:35:51 | * | webguest75 could've sworn gmail could check mail in other accounts |
| 15:36:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gmail can check pop accounts. |
| 15:37:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least I thought it could... |
| 15:37:14 | webguest75 | It can? I can't find how.. and it really surprises me |
| 15:37:34 | JdGordon | ur comfused.. u can check gmail through pop.. but it cant check other pop accounts... |
| 15:38:43 | webguest75 | Well not confused, I knew it could do outbound pop3, but assumed that it could also check pop3 mailboxes |
| 15:38:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I swear at an earlier point you could configure it to check various webmails and anything with POP3. |
| 15:39:08 | webguest75 | Oh cool, they support +syntax |
| 15:39:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe I'm dreaming of something else. |
| 15:39:22 | webguest75 | so foo+bla@gmail.com is sent to foo@gmail.com |
| 15:39:47 | * | webguest75 makes a mental note of that |
| 15:41:02 | JdGordon | quickscreen still needs work on the h300... |
| 15:41:58 | BoD[] | hey do "combo" still exist? |
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| 15:42:19 | BoD[] | I mean pressing two keys to change common settings |
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| 15:44:23 | Mikachu | heh, i just understoond _RC_ in button defs means remote control |
| 15:45:49 | webguest75 | BoD[]: What is this feature? |
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| 15:46:55 | BoD[] | webguest75: I remember back in the days when I had an Archos, I could press two keys (forgot which ones) to cycle through random and repeat modes |
| 15:47:19 | webguest75 | Ah.. might've been F-keys? |
| 15:47:20 | BoD[] | I'm wondering if that still exists and/or implemented on the ipod for example |
| 15:47:34 | Mikachu | the ipod doesn't have nearly enough keys to do that |
| 15:48:09 | BoD[] | Mikachu: well for example menu+left could work ? :) |
| 15:48:14 | BoD[] | or menu+right |
| 15:48:39 | webguest75 | that's practically what the quick-screen does, really |
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| 15:49:02 | BoD[] | webguest75: but you can't do it easily without looking at the screen (IMHO) |
| 15:49:23 | Mikachu | how would you know which repeat mode you're in without looking? |
| 15:49:24 | webguest75 | Seems like that'd be a matter of training |
| 15:50:11 | BoD[] | Mikachu: well if your song just repeated once, you're in repeat-one mode :) |
| 15:50:33 | webguest75 | actually, couldn't the quick-screen be voiced? |
| 15:50:39 | webguest75 | (maybe it is?) |
| 15:50:45 | Mikachu | heh |
| 15:51:05 | * | Mikachu tries enabling ab-repeat for ipods |
| 15:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: The only difference is that this way you don't have to hold two buttons at once. You toggle the quick screen, then change modes, then release the quick screen. |
| 15:51:46 | BoD[] | I agree |
| 15:52:09 | t0mas | Cassandra? on the devcon pictures you have a tablet pc, which brand/type is it? |
| 15:52:33 | BoD[] | hmm well I just used it now.. I have to see if I'm happy with it after using it longer :) |
| 15:52:36 | t0mas | I'm looking for one... but I haven't found anything decent under 2200 euro... |
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| 15:52:41 | t0mas | which is a little to much for me :) |
| 15:52:54 | BoD[] | but I remember I liked the combo system on the archos |
| 15:53:00 | Mikachu | hoho, it seems to work fine |
| 15:53:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | BoD[]: Especially since trying to touch two places on the wheel often results in unintentional volume adjustments, I think single presses instead of combos is better |
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| 15:53:38 | BoD[] | ok that seems right |
| 15:55:55 | Mikachu | hm |
| 15:56:06 | Mikachu | i'm getting lots of random popups of "error accessing playlist control file" |
| 15:56:14 | Jungti1234 | hi Mikachu |
| 15:56:27 | webguest75 | Mikachu: recent build? |
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| 15:56:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I think that's a bug that's been going around a bit lately. |
| 15:56:36 | webguest75 | Mikachu: Using tagcache? |
| 15:56:59 | Mikachu | not using tagcache |
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| 15:58:16 | Mikachu | there seems to be no ill effects though |
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| 16:08:22 | webguest75 | Crikey, I may have found the answers to my replaygain related prayers: rasher.dk/rockbox/rgfix.py">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/rgfix.py |
| 16:09:10 | bluey | could anyone tell me what "NO VAT FROM USA" exactly means? |
| 16:09:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Scarcely tested" |
| 16:09:47 | Mikachu | VAT is value added tax |
| 16:10:12 | webguest75 | Paul_The_Nerd: Yeah, I'm being careful with i.. only tried it on copies for now.. |
| 16:10:35 | * | webguest75 doesn't know python :-/ |
| 16:11:25 | webguest75 | I wonder how many programs can't read id3v2.4 |
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| 16:11:49 | Mikachu | hm, it would seem ab-markers aren't cleared when changing tracks, is that on purpose? |
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| 16:15:47 | iaudioRockboxer2 | loving rockbox on my new iaudio |
| 16:16:57 | nls | gr8 |
| 16:17:17 | webguest75 | That script seems to work right on this test-album.. rockbox can read the replaygain values written to the tag, and the apetag is no longer there. Still a bit scared about the id3v2.4 thing though. |
| 16:17:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 16:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | id3v2.4 is generally considered more compatible than Ape, isn't it? |
| 16:18:27 | webguest75 | Sure, but I meant in contrast to 2.3 |
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| 16:19:07 | webguest75 | It changes the existing tag (usually 2.3 in my case) into 2.4 |
| 16:19:29 | webguest75 | Works well with Rockbox at least :) |
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| 16:19:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think the WM8731 datasheet is available on Wolfson's website. There are no datasheets for the other ipod codecs, but we've been working with datasheets which appear to be close matches. |
| 16:21:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: Also, the only two solutions I've thought of to the bitmap problem are: 1) Delete the bitmap .a files before running AR on them (I don't know what impact this will have on build times); or 2) Create an extra directory level under (e.g.) apps/bitmaps/native/ for the different LCD sizes, which means that the .bmp files can all have the same name. |
| 16:21:45 | linuxstb | ... or 3) Document the issue somewhere and don't attempt to fix it. |
| 16:22:43 | linuxstb | Also, to continue my monologue, is the intention of the feature freeze that all iaudio/ipod specific development should stop? |
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| 16:23:43 | Moos | linuxstb: IIRC LinusN said me he will continue X5 devlopement in parallel to bug hunt |
| 16:23:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there was that comment about how it would be nice to see more people actually focusing on the purpose of the Feature Freeze relative to last time |
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| 16:25:15 | linuxstb | I agree that the focus should be on the release - almost all bug fixes there will benefit the "unreleased" ports as well. I was just wondering if cvs commits would be frowned upon if they related only to ipod or iaudio targets. |
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| 16:27:18 | Moos | linuxstb: if you remenber, last bug freeze was a bit "prolificless" cause not a lot of dev hard worked to bugfixes, maybe just 3,4 pepoles |
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| 16:29:59 | linuxstb | Moos: I remember that. The difference was that was an Archos only release, and lots of the active developers either don't own Archoses, or are not familiar with that part of the code. People (including me) don't have the same excuse this time. |
| 16:30:21 | Moos | indeed |
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| 16:33:47 | webguest74 | Hey |
| 16:33:48 | Moos | linuxstb: this time, if *more* dev will join working, 1 month may be a bit :) |
| 16:34:00 | Moos | +much |
| 16:34:10 | Moos | Hello webguest74 |
| 16:34:28 | webguest74 | How is it going? |
| 16:35:10 | bluebrother^ | is there a difference between the mini 1g and 2g regarding the display size and depth? |
| 16:35:24 | linuxstb | Moos: I think that's optimistic, but there's nothing stopping an early release... |
| 16:35:54 | webguest74 | Could i ask about the Iaudio X5 and sound? I was reading about people not been happy with it, is now not the case? and everything is sounding good? |
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| 16:37:16 | Moos | linuxstb: I mean, not a lot of new bugs introcuded since last release, it's more bugfix for antiguos bugs |
| 16:37:18 | webguest74 | hello? |
| 16:37:29 | Moos | that's why I'm optimistic :) |
| 16:37:34 | nls | webguest74, I think that was fixed |
| 16:37:49 | Moos | yep sound working great |
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| 16:38:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest74: If you saw the thread in the forum, at the end it's pretty clear it's fixed. |
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| 16:38:14 | webguest74 | I was unsure... |
| 16:38:31 | Moos | got it a try and you'll see |
| 16:38:45 | webguest74 | Anyway - what are you talking about in here then? |
| 16:39:37 | Moos | the coming feature freeze |
| 16:39:38 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: No, the LCD size/depth (and the buttons) are identical on both minis. They may even end up with a single build in the future. |
| 16:39:43 | JdGordon | Cassandra: u still keepiong an eye on the rockbox utility thread on the forums? |
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| 16:40:12 | Hyperbit | Hoi |
| 16:40:14 | Hyperbit | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4975 |
| 16:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hyperbit: Hold menu when you plug in the power adapter. |
| 16:41:03 | Hyperbit | i know^^ |
| 16:41:48 | webguest74 | With rockbox - in the furture, would the nav be based on ID3 Tags? Like on the Ipod, where you can go via artists or album etc etc... |
| 16:42:20 | linuxstb | webguest74: You already have that option - TagCache |
| 16:42:34 | webguest74 | Hu? |
| 16:42:34 | webguest74 | Whats that? |
| 16:42:37 | webguest74 | Any links? |
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| 16:42:46 | linuxstb | The TagCache wiki page. |
| 16:42:59 | nls | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 16:43:07 | webguest74 | O *Looks* |
| 16:43:19 | Hyperbit | is it possible to set up the 100mAh to 500 or Something more? |
| 16:43:34 | nls | ? |
| 16:43:58 | Hyperbit | Ipod Charging .. ;D |
| 16:44:34 | Mikachu | we don't know how to control that yet |
| 16:44:37 | webguest74 | This will sound silly - how do i get TagCache ? |
| 16:44:50 | Mikachu | webguest74: set View Files to tags |
| 16:44:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hyperbit: I imagine that whenever someone figures out how to do better charging on the ipod, it'll get done. It's not like they're going to intentionally *not* put the changes in. |
| 16:44:57 | nls | you should already have it |
| 16:44:58 | webguest74 | o |
| 16:45:19 | webguest74 | My last question - could Album art happen (A)? |
| 16:45:24 | nls | yes |
| 16:45:26 | Mikachu | it's also in progress |
| 16:45:36 | webguest74 | How much %? |
| 16:45:44 | Mikachu | there's a patch if you're feeling adventurous (sp?) |
| 16:45:49 | webguest74 | And any links to watch? |
| 16:46:01 | nls | check the tracker |
| 16:46:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | The patch on the tracker |
| 16:46:05 | webguest74 | haven't got a clue with patches xD |
| 16:46:12 | webguest74 | o well :P |
| 16:46:17 | webguest74 | some things r just not meant 2 b |
| 16:46:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | What, that you have to wait maybe a few more months for it to be in CVS? |
| 16:46:36 | Mikachu | webguest74: you can add yourself to watch the task on the tracker and you will get an email when it's updated |
| 16:46:55 | webguest74 | o *will do that* |
| 16:47:05 | Hyperbit | =) ok, Posted an idea how to find out if a USB DATA or Power Cable is connectet (if Power Cable is Connected Data+ and Data- is on Ground) is that possible to notice due rockbox? ( so we dont have to push menu while plug on the usb cable) |
| 16:47:33 | webguest74 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
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| 16:47:47 | webguest74 | That? |
| 16:48:01 | webguest74 | name odd1 |
| 16:48:08 | webguest74 | \name odd1 |
| 16:48:19 | impatch | Anyone know what the replaygain mode "Track if shuffling" does if not shuffling, and no album gain is defined? |
| 16:48:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's odd about it? |
| 16:48:35 | webguest74 | *im trying to change my name* |
| 16:48:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Forward slash |
| 16:48:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | / |
| 16:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's /nick, right? |
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| 16:49:07 | Mikachu | odd2: that's the one |
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| 16:49:09 | JdGordon | gnite guys |
| 16:49:13 | nls | nite |
| 16:49:15 | Moos | impatch: if no no album gain, that will search for track gain if they are |
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| 16:49:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | impatch: Probably the same thing that happens if you set it to just album and there's no album defined. |
| 16:49:45 | impatch | Paul_The_Nerd: which is.. track? |
| 16:50:25 | Moos | yep |
| 16:50:36 | impatch | Excellent |
| 16:50:37 | odd | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 is that for the album art? So i watch that? |
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| 16:52:29 | Moos | impatch: always this way if no album gain, Rockbox will use track gain, and this for trackgain if shuffle, or if you set album gain and they er missing.... |
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| 16:54:39 | nls | hmm maybe that should be in the manual... |
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| 16:55:39 | Moos | nls: indeed |
| 16:58:14 | nls | heh it was already :) |
| 16:58:30 | impatch | That'll teach me |
| 16:58:40 | Moos | hehe :-) |
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| 17:00:32 | impatch | So it is |
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| 17:15:03 | nls | heh Brightness: Changes the contrast of your LCD display. ;-) |
| 17:15:05 | * | Mikachu throws some commutators at Lie-Algebra |
| 17:15:42 | nls | shouldn't brightness change the brightness? |
| 17:15:59 | impatch | One would assume so |
| 17:17:33 | nls | well, I dont have more time for the this now. |
| 17:19:56 | Lie-Algebra | hi, I am installing rockbox on my 4g grayscale and when booting the apple firmware, the menu is displayed in reverse way : i need a mirror to look at it so that the image is correct... |
| 17:20:06 | Lie-Algebra | see http://alephzero.free.fr/iPod.jpg, its pretty funny ;o |
| 17:20:10 | Mikachu | that's a known problem i think |
| 17:20:39 | Lie-Algebra | i still can use it but is a bit confusing ;p |
| 17:20:46 | Lie-Algebra | its* |
| 17:21:14 | * | impatch thought this was fixed |
| 17:21:22 | impatch | amiconn will be interested to hear this |
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| 17:23:20 | amiconn | Lie-Algebra: It's a known problem. What I didn't know exactly was whether it is mirrored horizontally, vertically, or both on 4g |
| 17:23:37 | amiconn | Now I know that it's only mirrored horizontally, like on my mini 2g |
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| 17:25:50 | Lie-Algebra | strange behavior, it doesnt seem to be very logical, I mean an expectable issue.. |
| 17:30:29 | Kohlrabi | I just discovered the "reduce ticking" option in remote-LCD-settings on my H120, what das ist do? |
| 17:32:13 | Farpenoodle | i was just listening to a podcast on my 2g mini and i noticed clicking... and it would seem that rockbox is resampling everything to 44.1khz |
| 17:32:21 | Farpenoodle | and i was wondering if this was necessary |
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| 17:32:54 | Kohlrabi | s/das ist/does it |
| 17:32:57 | Kohlrabi | .oO(WTF?) |
| 17:33:43 | Farpenoodle | it would seem so |
| 17:34:05 | Farpenoodle | i tried a 22khz file and the clicking wasn't present |
| 17:38:34 | linuxstb | Farpenoodle: Yes, currently Rockbox resamples everything to 44.1KHz - because that's all the iriver (and iaudio I think) targets can handle. But the ipods can handle all the common samplerates, so that's planned to be changed. |
| 17:39:45 | amiconn | ..and I have to add that our resampler is rather crappy |
| 17:39:53 | amiconn | *current resampler |
| 17:40:13 | Mikachu | i guess that's for after the freeze? |
| 17:40:35 | bluebrother^ | are there the player model images avaliable in some bigger size? |
| 17:40:36 | amiconn | I would like to have a better resampler in 3.0 for iriver... |
| 17:40:45 | Mikachu | ah |
| 17:41:01 | bluebrother^ | I mean the images used e.g. on the daily builds page. |
| 17:42:04 | Farpenoodle | cool |
| 17:42:33 | Mikachu | i guess most of my music is 44khz |
| 17:42:38 | Farpenoodle | apart from the podcast thing rockbox is awesome |
| 17:42:40 | Farpenoodle | :p |
| 17:44:01 | amiconn | Mikachu: For that single point pcm playback on archos is currently better than on iriver/iPod. The archos pcm codec handles all common sample rates, and wavplay.rock uses this feature... |
| 17:45:06 | Mikachu | i guess that's more interesting if you can record |
| 17:45:28 | amiconn | Yes, that should be possible as well |
| 17:45:38 | Mikachu | i heard the nano doesn't have any linein |
| 17:45:39 | amiconn | We 'just' need to be fast enough.. |
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| 17:47:51 | Mikachu | but i guess you can connect most things through usb if you ever figure out how it works |
| 17:48:48 | warthawg | does anyone know where i left my ipod's usb cable? |
| 17:48:56 | Mikachu | the fridge |
| 17:49:01 | warthawg | hmmm could be |
| 17:49:04 | warthawg | i'll check |
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| 17:54:52 | * | Lie-Algebra plays mpc anf flac files woooo its f* good ;p |
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| 17:58:45 | paulheu | I have a(nother) C question?! |
| 17:58:51 | paulheu | anyone here to help? |
| 17:58:56 | Mikachu | maybe! |
| 17:59:13 | paulheu | hey.. what makes bool gui_sync_wps_has_albumart(); differ from bool gui_sync_wps_has_albumart(void); ? |
| 17:59:30 | paulheu | The first gives me 'no prototype warnings when I build |
| 17:59:35 | paulheu | teh second is fine |
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| 18:00:37 | paulheu | but I wonder if it makes a difference in execution |
| 18:00:39 | stripwax | every function prototype has to specify the type of the args, I guess. The first doesn't, the second does |
| 18:00:52 | Mikachu | i'm not sure if it makes a difference in the code, but you should put (void) instead of () |
| 18:01:23 | paulheu | AH.. so (void) is the same as () but it just tells explicitly there is nothing there? |
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| 18:01:52 | paulheu | menaing no arguments are expected |
| 18:02:45 | stripwax | Yes : argument of type "void" means 'no arguments'. |
| 18:03:03 | stripwax | (in the same way that return type of type 'void' means 'this function doesn't return a value') |
| 18:03:12 | stripwax | (roughly) |
| 18:03:19 | paulheu | OK.. makes sense I guess.. |
| 18:04:29 | paulheu | thanks.. I was building wit hthe new album art build and got a lot of the warnings.. and sortof expected I had to add the void bit.. cool.. |
| 18:04:56 | Slasheri | except void* that is just a pointer to any type of data |
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| 18:05:05 | stripwax | good point. |
| 18:05:17 | stripwax | void* really annoys me |
| 18:06:01 | Slasheri | it's useful on some places |
| 18:06:02 | paulheu | well it still means the same, jus in a different context (I guess) |
| 18:06:31 | Slasheri | for example memcpy function expects void* data that can be a struct, char array etc. |
| 18:07:37 | amiconn | paulheu: If you call a function with just () and you get a 'no prototype' warning, you forgot to include the declaration |
| 18:09:48 | paulheu | amiconn: actually it is the declaration that is causing the warning |
| 18:10:22 | amiconn | The declaration needs the explicit (void) |
| 18:10:26 | paulheu | changing () to (void) makes the warning go away |
| 18:10:41 | warthawg | whew, i found it. a minor miracle. |
| 18:10:52 | paulheu | yeah so I figured.. somehow C is kinda logical..;) |
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| 18:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ugh. Why are the most common questions about playing *games* on the iPod? There are so many portable game systems out there that run games infinitely better, and it's all "How do I use Rockboy?" and "Are you suuuuuure Doom doesn't work?" |
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| 18:14:33 | skwad | ^^ |
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| 18:18:18 | skwad | is it possible that something not working on the sim works on the player ? |
| 18:18:21 | * | petur slaps his irc client |
| 18:18:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very possible |
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| 18:18:48 | skwad | ok |
| 18:19:38 | warthawg | are there instructions for setting up triple boot with apple os, ipodlinux, and rockbox? |
| 18:20:00 | warthawg | on a nano, that is |
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| 18:20:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Put an ext2 or ext3 partition on your ipod. Put the linux root filesystem in it. Put a new version of podzilla on it, overwriting the old. Copy the kernel .bin file to the fat32 partition named linux.bin |
| 18:20:16 | warthawg | i keep forgetting rockbox is primarily for a whole nother piece of hardware |
| 18:20:32 | warthawg | i've got all that, Paul_The_Nerd |
| 18:20:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's it. |
| 18:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Play while booting, like you hold Menu for retail |
| 18:20:54 | warthawg | aha |
| 18:21:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's pretty simple as long as "create an ext2 partition" doesn't stump you. :) |
| 18:22:23 | warthawg | i already had ipodlinux on the nano |
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| 18:23:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I installed iPodLinux alongside my Rockbox on Nano for less than 30 minutes |
| 18:23:21 | Mikachu | for or in? |
| 18:23:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | For |
| 18:24:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I learned how to do it to make sure it worked, before it had really been tested much / at all. |
| 18:24:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then I removed it. At the moment my Nano has less than 10mb free space. Not really enough for a linux installation. |
| 18:24:49 | Mikachu | ah |
| 18:25:01 | warthawg | does iDoom play on Rockbox? |
| 18:25:16 | Mikachu | i have it in the gap between the boot and fat partition, for better or for worse |
| 18:25:50 | stripwax | warthawg - Rockbox games run on Rockbox. No others. iDoom is an ipodlinux thing. Doom has been ported to Rockbox. |
| 18:26:09 | warthawg | thanks, stripwax |
| 18:26:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom on Rockbox doesn't work on iPod right now though |
| 18:26:58 | Kohlrabi | <Paul_The_Nerd> Ugh. Why are the most common questions about playing *games* on the iPod? | same with mobile phones ;) |
| 18:27:45 | skwad | I have to build <N>ormal no ? |
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| 18:28:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're building for a player, yes |
| 18:29:36 | skwad | ok |
| 18:29:41 | warthawg | Kohlrabi, games are for sissies! well, sissies and me :) |
| 18:31:00 | skwad | "warning : function declaration is not a prototype" should not cause any problem ? |
| 18:31:01 | Kohlrabi | I like games too |
| 18:31:11 | Kohlrabi | But I'd never want to play on my H120 |
| 18:31:17 | stripwax | Kohlrabi - why not? |
| 18:31:30 | Kohlrabi | because the controls are ... unfitting |
| 18:31:35 | stripwax | skwad - it's a warning. what's the code? |
| 18:31:45 | Kohlrabi | and I don't like gameboy games much anyways :) |
| 18:31:57 | Kohlrabi | or breakout games |
| 18:32:02 | Kohlrabi | or space invaders |
| 18:32:03 | skwad | 437 |
| 18:32:25 | stripwax | skwad - i mean: what does the line of code that caused that warning look loik |
| 18:32:28 | stripwax | ^like |
| 18:32:47 | stripwax | Kohlrabi - or pac man? |
| 18:32:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like puzzle games on my portables. |
| 18:32:52 | Kohlrabi | yeah |
| 18:33:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Games that require no fast reflexes that can be hobbled by awkward controls |
| 18:33:09 | Kohlrabi | exactly |
| 18:33:10 | Kohlrabi | but |
| 18:33:18 | skwad | stripwax : i don't know I'm compiling |
| 18:33:27 | Kohlrabi | For that, I have my theoretical physics exercises :) |
| 18:33:36 | Kohlrabi | -, |
| 18:33:45 | Kohlrabi | well |
| 18:33:51 | stripwax | skwad - there should at least be a line number and a file name.. unfortunately I'm not a mind reader |
| 18:33:56 | amiconn | Paprica: r u around? |
| 18:34:00 | Kohlrabi | I like strategy games, I don't see any good coming for any console |
| 18:34:04 | Paprica | yep |
| 18:34:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Strategy Games and Consoles don't mix |
| 18:34:20 | stripwax | Kohlrabi - hrm, a port of Chaos would rock |
| 18:34:22 | skwad | just 2s stripwax |
| 18:34:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | You almost need a mouse input. |
| 18:34:35 | skwad | $ make install |
| 18:34:36 | skwad | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 18:34:41 | skwad | :'( |
| 18:34:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the Nintendo DS, and probably the Revolution with both be suitable for strat games. |
| 18:34:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't make install a N build |
| 18:34:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | You make zip |
| 18:35:01 | skwad | ok |
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| 18:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | That creates a .zip that's just like the ones you download |
| 18:35:15 | skwad | so I just make ../tools/configure -> make -> make zip ? |
| 18:35:22 | petur | yes |
| 18:35:41 | petur | unless it's a sim, then you do make install |
| 18:35:57 | skwad | it's because before I was always making a sim ^^ |
| 18:36:15 | stripwax | make zip works for sim too (but you need to unzip afterwards ;-)) |
| 18:37:55 | skwad | so now let's give a try :p |
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| 18:42:04 | sharpe | grarrrrr... |
| 18:43:10 | skwad | doesn't work :'( |
| 18:43:45 | stripwax | in what way "doesn't work"? |
| 18:44:04 | skwad | I tried the album art patch |
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| 18:45:03 | stripwax | skwad - yes, and it what way doesn't it work? |
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| 18:45:28 | skwad | I made a wps with juste the %C tag or album art |
| 18:45:35 | skwad | and I don't see anything on the screen |
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| 18:45:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have the proper bmps and everything? |
| 18:46:18 | skwad | I did a 24bit 150*150 bmp |
| 18:46:28 | preglow | amiconn: to get the button driver working in the bootloader, you'd probably need to enable interrupts |
| 18:47:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | skwad: Isn't the size limit 125x125 or 100x100? Or did they up it again? |
| 18:47:04 | stripwax | skwad - pretty sure it has to be 100x100 |
| 18:47:19 | amiconn | preglow: I wonder why the iPod button driver needs interrupts at all. Can't we just poll the buttons like we do on all other targets? |
| 18:47:27 | skwad | The bitmaps have to be smaller than 125x125 pixels to fit in the buffer |
| 18:47:39 | skwad | hum now I don't remember what size I did :S |
| 18:47:42 | preglow | amiconn: please do try, we haven't been able to make a good polling driver yet |
| 18:47:47 | skwad | just changed it to 100x100 |
| 18:48:02 | preglow | amiconn: it is possible, however, since apple does it in their flash code |
| 18:48:08 | skwad | 100*100 working ^^ |
| 18:48:12 | stripwax | there ya go |
| 18:48:16 | amiconn | preglow: An interrupt related question: Where are the actual isrs for ipod? Are you sure all necessary registers are saved? |
| 18:49:27 | preglow | amiconn: the actual master isr is in system.c |
| 18:49:38 | preglow | amiconn: and just relays requests on based on which interrupt it is |
| 18:49:49 | preglow | amiconn: then you've got one isr in kernel.c, one in buttons.c and one in timer.c |
| 18:49:53 | preglow | that's all i can think of |
| 18:50:05 | preglow | the actual master master isr is in crt0.S :-) |
| 18:50:10 | preglow | i plan to clean that up some day |
| 18:51:43 | skwad | year 125x125 is just nice, it take much of the 160x128 x5 screen ^^ |
| 18:52:33 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why you ever tried to set it to 150x150 on that screen |
| 18:52:48 | stripwax | hehehehe |
| 18:53:10 | stripwax | would be nice if the album art was scalable i.e. didn't matter what size the bmp was. |
| 18:53:40 | skwad | year Paul_The_Nerd I too wonder why I did 150*150, I thought I had 125x125 |
| 18:58:22 | sharpe | hello everyone... |
| 18:58:57 | stripwax | how's the maze? :-) |
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| 18:59:10 | sharpe | um... the same as it was last time? :) |
| 18:59:24 | sharpe | been working on a few other things :D |
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| 19:01:28 | Paprica | amiconn? |
| 19:01:40 | stripwax | :-) |
| 19:01:55 | sharpe | but i did finish the packaged wps plugin... |
| 19:06:45 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: still here? |
| 19:06:50 | skwad | they must be packaged in .tar right ? |
| 19:08:29 | sharpe | well, for what the rockbox devs plan on doing, yeh. |
| 19:09:33 | skwad | ok |
| 19:11:40 | sharpe | this however, uses the zip format... |
| 19:12:27 | skwad | and it works already ? |
| 19:12:41 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 19:13:04 | skwad | lol then I will patch it for my rockbox :p |
| 19:13:11 | sharpe | heh... |
| 19:13:38 | sharpe | the funny thing is, without a patch to the doom source, doom won't compile because of it :) |
| 19:13:46 | skwad | lol |
| 19:14:19 | skwad | did you put it in the patchtracker ? |
| 19:14:23 | sharpe | not yet |
| 19:14:30 | sharpe | just going over it... |
| 19:14:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:16:56 | sharpe | only the zips have to be uncompressed, but it shouldn't be much of a problem... |
| 19:17:56 | sharpe | not just yet, checking if it compiles and works again :) |
| 19:18:14 | sharpe | then i shall have it in the patchtracker... |
| 19:18:26 | sharpe | muahaha... heh... |
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| 19:23:39 | bam_ | morning |
| 19:24:04 | bam_ | how would one make a request? for a software change/suggestion? |
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| 19:24:46 | bam_ | like bringing up the plugins menu with the record button....h120 |
| 19:24:46 | webguest26 | bam_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=1 |
| 19:24:55 | bam_ | cool |
| 19:25:07 | webguest26 | Ah, button assignment issues is probalby not good to put on the tracker |
| 19:25:45 | bam_ | well then how would one get this done...err or considered? |
| 19:26:33 | webguest26 | Bring it up for discussion on the mailinglist, probably.. it's kind of a sore thumb though |
| 19:27:01 | bam_ | I take it button assignments are a bear to deal with |
| 19:27:23 | webguest26 | More like 5 bears and an orca |
| 19:27:40 | bam_ | perhaps a nice *.conf file so users can assign thier own buttons? |
| 19:28:30 | petur | nope, already discussed |
| 19:28:39 | petur | that would be a support nightmare |
| 19:28:46 | webguest26 | That'd require _major_ changes and create a host of problems regarding support |
| 19:29:30 | bam_ | or just maybe let the record be assignable |
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| 19:30:07 | bam_ | actually if the plugin menu was assigned to it playlists would be alot simpler |
| 19:30:30 | petur | I personally feel something for programmable function keys for targets that have more than enough buttons |
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| 19:31:48 | bam_ | ok, how about the record button that runs a button (macro) file that simulates all the needed pushbuttons |
| 19:32:00 | bam_ | that would be a little simpler |
| 19:32:54 | bam_ | push the button , if the macro exists, parse the file into its pushbutton interface |
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| 19:33:48 | bam_ | a-b,up,up,select,down,down....etc. |
| 19:33:55 | bam_ | you get the idea |
| 19:35:23 | sharpe | there, added it to the patch tracker |
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| 19:41:55 | bam_ | cool |
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| 19:44:52 | * | webguest26 notes 2 3.0 bugs that can be closed |
| 19:45:35 | t0mas | links? |
| 19:45:36 | webguest26 | 2387 and 2388 are both fixed in splitedit.c r1.16 |
| 19:45:41 | t0mas | ok |
| 19:45:49 | amiconn | Paprica: The brickmania help text needs updating. Some extras are not explained. |
| 19:46:02 | t0mas | Cassandra is the bug wizard atm right? :) |
| 19:46:04 | amiconn | Also, I would like the text to be reformatted to the screen width |
| 19:46:30 | amiconn | And the topping would be bitmaps for the iPod mini lcd ;) |
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| 19:52:58 | preglow | amiconn: tried making grayscale lib work yet? |
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| 19:56:18 | sharpe | well, my patch compiles correctly against the latest cvs build... |
| 19:57:03 | sharpe | and it works correctly... |
| 19:57:35 | sharpe | and doom still crashes like it should :) |
| 19:58:06 | bam_ | hehe |
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| 19:58:16 | bam_ | good to be consistent |
| 19:59:19 | webguest26 | "Playlist control file invalid" |
| 19:59:38 | * | webguest26 wonders how they're supposed to look |
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| 20:01:46 | bluebrother^ | is the player sim not capable of saving screenshots? |
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| 20:05:17 | sharpe | i feel like i've acomplished something now :) |
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| 20:09:25 | webguest26 | Hrm, this .playlist_control is pretty corrupted.. null characters and other goodies in it |
| 20:09:59 | webguest26 | eh, no |
| 20:10:06 | webguest26 | vim was acting up |
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| 20:12:42 | webguest26 | Starts with TCH\0x01\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n then part of the path |
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| 20:15:06 | tucoz | bluebrother^, nice work. Glad you are on the team |
| 20:15:40 | tucoz | and the player sim can not save screenshots |
| 20:17:07 | bluebrother^ | hi tucoz :) |
| 20:17:11 | bluebrother^ | damn. |
| 20:17:20 | bluebrother^ | I need two screenshots of the player. |
| 20:17:37 | tucoz | is it possible that you can use the screenshots from the old manual? |
| 20:17:41 | bluebrother^ | do you have any idea how I can show the id3 screen on the player sim? |
| 20:18:00 | tucoz | It is possible that you can find that from the 2.4 manual |
| 20:18:20 | bluebrother^ | the old used the screenshot from the recorder. |
| 20:18:34 | tucoz | oh |
| 20:18:48 | bluebrother^ | atm \screenshot is really doing a great job −− I can now grep for missing images. |
| 20:19:06 | tucoz | hmm, amiconn talked about implementing screenshot for the player-sim |
| 20:19:17 | tucoz | cool. Very good work :) |
| 20:19:21 | bluebrother^ | if I just could get the sim to show the id3 screen I could use gimp to catch it. |
| 20:19:36 | bluebrother^ | table stuff is still waiting. |
| 20:20:16 | tucoz | ok, but there has been some pretty good progress lately |
| 20:20:51 | tucoz | I am not on linux at the moment. |
| 20:20:59 | tucoz | so I can not try the player sim |
| 20:21:33 | bluebrother^ | the problem is the player sim can't play sound, so I can't get to the wps and therefore not to the id3 screen. |
| 20:22:11 | tucoz | I see. |
| 20:22:24 | tucoz | maybe wait for amiconn and ask him what to do |
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| 20:24:03 | tucoz | or cassandra, as she wrote the 2.4 manual |
| 20:24:08 | bluebrother^ | I'm just going for the missing video screens. |
| 20:24:19 | tucoz | 320x240? |
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| 20:25:53 | tucoz | the macrofying of the manual was a real good move. |
| 20:27:07 | bluebrother^ | I fully agree with that. |
| 20:27:23 | bluebrother^ | btw, I looked around for a latex2html replacement. |
| 20:27:38 | bluebrother^ | latex2html fails badly on \opt (and many more) |
| 20:27:42 | tucoz | I read that. |
| 20:27:54 | sharpe | latex3html! :D |
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| 20:28:01 | bluebrother^ | latex3html? |
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| 20:28:07 | sharpe | random thing |
| 20:28:09 | bluebrother^ | hevea failed even badly :( |
| 20:28:15 | sharpe | latex4html sounds better |
| 20:28:29 | bluebrother^ | tex4ht looks pretty good |
| 20:28:42 | bluebrother^ | but it produces only one big file. |
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| 20:28:57 | bluebrother^ | and doesn't recognize our button macros. |
| 20:28:58 | tucoz | Does that work with opts as well? |
| 20:29:26 | linuxstb | sharpe: Like Bagder, I'm not sure what the purpose of your wpz plugin is. The main problem we have with WPSs is that they are too slow to load (lots of small files), and your patch just adds to that slowness by extracting the contents of the zip to a temporary directory and then loading it in the normal slow way. |
| 20:30:05 | sharpe | yeh |
| 20:30:16 | bluebrother^ | the opts work fine, so I'd say it would be a good start. |
| 20:30:41 | bluebrother^ | it fails on the new \marginpar stuff, but this could be \if'ed away. |
| 20:30:54 | tucoz | cool, did you do anything special or was it just a standard run of the tool? |
| 20:31:23 | preglow | linuxstb: sure? did you try it? not having to do open() all the time should cut a bit off the load time |
| 20:32:08 | tucoz | highly customizable (tex4ht) sounds good |
| 20:32:12 | bluebrother^ | just a standard run. |
| 20:32:35 | bluebrother^ | so I have the hope we can fix the button stuff without too much pain. |
| 20:32:37 | sharpe | mmaybe it was a bad idea using the words, "temp directory," as some people may think it gets deleted every time the player is turned off... |
| 20:33:04 | sharpe | i think i am becoming dyslexic. |
| 20:33:23 | preglow | linuxstb: forget that... |
| 20:33:45 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 20:33:48 | preglow | i want wpses with pre-converted bitmaps, please |
| 20:33:53 | tucoz | got to go, see you in a few days |
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| 20:34:28 | stripwax | how about a preconverter which runs the first you load the wps? |
| 20:34:33 | sharpe | that's kind of funny... "I noticed the screens[] conflict as well, but due to another patch I use.. Funny enough I did the exact same thing (change screens[] to dscreens[] in doom code)" |
| 20:37:38 | linuxstb | sharpe: Also, which player(s) have you tested your patch on? I can't see any code to deal with different endianness. |
| 20:37:48 | preglow | what, they're having the baby now? |
| 20:38:04 | sharpe | 5g |
| 20:38:14 | preglow | stripwax: i'd kinda like a preconverter that converted bitmaps and packed everything into one file |
| 20:38:20 | preglow | stripwax: smooth load every time |
| 20:38:22 | stripwax | yep, something like that |
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| 20:38:30 | preglow | stripwax: we should also support the old way, of course, for quick wps testing |
| 20:38:59 | stripwax | well, the preconverter would really just be a cache. |
| 20:39:33 | stripwax | Browsing for wps would just be 'the old way', which would then produce the converted-and-packed file along the way when you load the wps |
| 20:39:38 | stripwax | I guess |
| 20:40:30 | linuxstb | But then you still have to check the original files to see if they have changed before using the cached version. |
| 20:40:59 | preglow | yes |
| 20:41:07 | preglow | which will destroy the entire point of everything |
| 20:41:19 | linuxstb | This would be easy if someone wrote a nice PC application to design and test WPSs.... |
| 20:41:33 | RedBreva | bluebrother^: Is there anything in particular you want me to be work on (manual wise) over the next few days? |
| 20:41:35 | preglow | linuxstb: you know if the code is easily portable to something else than rockbox, then? |
| 20:42:26 | linuxstb | preglow: what code? |
| 20:42:54 | Bger | bluebrother^ am i wrong or the "footnote" of the manual should be "user's manual" and not "users manual" ? |
| 20:43:13 | linuxstb | users' manual? |
| 20:44:50 | Bger | linuxstb u're the native speaker ... |
| 20:45:19 | linuxstb | Yes, but most non-native English speakers have spent more time learning grammar than I have... |
| 20:45:50 | linuxstb | But I think "Users' manual" is right - assuming we have more than one user. |
| 20:45:59 | preglow | linuxstb: wps code |
| 20:46:09 | webguest26 | In my mind, "users manual" refers to a single user |
| 20:46:15 | webguest26 | "(the) user's manual" |
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| 20:46:27 | muesliii | i know a guy from london who writes like a 1st class boy. and he got a master degree at the uni |
| 20:46:32 | webguest26 | That didn't clarify anything |
| 20:46:52 | Bger | webguest26 i think this way too |
| 20:47:14 | RedBreva | user's manual = the manual of the user users' manual = the manuals of the users |
| 20:47:42 | webguest26 | What RedBreva said. |
| 20:47:46 | RedBreva | whoops: the manual of the users |
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| 20:48:07 | webguest26 | And I think the first is the one usually needed |
| 20:48:34 | preglow | i think user's manual makes the most sense |
| 20:48:50 | stripwax | linuxstb - you wouldn't need to check the original files to see if they have changed. You would just reload the WPS if you have changed it. in my opinion, of course. |
| 20:48:50 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: nothing specific. I want to concentrate on cleaning up the macro stuff so the text itself isn't that important for me now. |
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| 20:50:29 | bluebrother^ | Bger: afair most english manuals I read used the "users manual" (at the moment of reading it _is_ only one user, namely the reader) |
| 20:51:08 | preglow | in which case it should be user's manual |
| 20:51:11 | Bger | yep |
| 20:51:11 | webguest26 | user's? |
| 20:51:17 | obo | user is manual? |
| 20:51:31 | bluebrother^ | user (ha)'s manual :) |
| 20:51:41 | sharpe | why not just do, "User/User's/Users' Manual" ? |
| 20:51:42 | Bger | google search: |
| 20:51:45 | Bger | Results 1 - 10 of about 5,330,000 for "user's manual". |
| 20:51:51 | Bger | Results 1 - 10 of about 1,990,000 for "users' manual" |
| 20:51:58 | preglow | 's is genitive |
| 20:52:10 | sharpe | catch-all phrase :) |
| 20:52:51 | webguest26 | What preglow said. "user's" can mean "user is" or "of or belonging to the user" |
| 20:53:22 | bluebrother^ | dict.leo.org translates me to "user guide", "user's guide" and "user manual" |
| 20:53:54 | webguest26 | User manual sounds wrong to me |
| 20:54:36 | webguest26 | Not a native speaker, so it's not like that matters much. |
| 20:55:18 | bluebrother^ | what was this quote from ... uuuh ... one of the british royals? |
| 20:55:33 | bluebrother^ | "The world language is not english. It's bad english" |
| 20:55:53 | muesliii | Bger had any luck with the lcd remote? |
| 20:56:01 | Bger | muesliii hah |
| 20:56:15 | muesliii | hoh :-) |
| 20:56:27 | RedBreva | Given that 98% of native English speakers don't know correct use of the apostrope, not too sure anyone will really notice ;-) |
| 20:56:38 | Bger | are you asking about the button mappings? |
| 20:56:42 | muesliii | yepp |
| 20:56:49 | bluebrother^ | Prince Charles if Google doesn't fool me. |
| 20:57:00 | muesliii | RedBreva whats the rule? im curious either :-) |
| 20:57:19 | Bger | muesliii this won't happen till after the 3.0 release |
| 20:57:34 | muesliii | ooh ;-/ |
| 20:57:40 | RedBreva | the simplest explanation i found was here : http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/ |
| 20:59:05 | RedBreva | Should remote buttons be in the H120/140 manual? What about the H340 and the X5 or any other hardware with a remote option? |
| 20:59:12 | muesliii | Bger but it was working with the experimental build once upon a time |
| 20:59:33 | sharpe | well... i'm going to just... shut up for now... as i feel bad and i don't think anyone wishes to hear any more of my ideas :D i'll be here if anyone needs me. |
| 20:59:38 | Bger | muesliii there is a new patch on the tracker, but it does it in a really silly way |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:29 | muesliii | to be honest...i dont care but yearning for a proper working remote. since i got it there are problems :o |
| 21:00:53 | * | linuxstb thinks the manual is for more than one user, so it is the Users' manual. But I also think we should be using "iPod"... |
| 21:01:33 | preglow | which disqualifies you from all further discussion relating to typography and language! |
| 21:01:38 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2987 <= muesliii here |
| 21:01:42 | RedBreva | Maybe Remote should be an appendix? |
| 21:01:49 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, me and the Oxford English Dictionary... |
| 21:01:55 | bluebrother^ | I just was thinking of this too. |
| 21:01:56 | preglow | never liked the thing anyway |
| 21:02:28 | preglow | i definitely don't get how that can be oxford publishing's stance, i thought they were a fairly clever bunch |
| 21:02:53 | RedBreva | Are we ever likely to get the option to 'screendump' the remote? |
| 21:03:01 | bluebrother^ | or are there any plugins / viewers / whatever that make a difference between the buttons? I.e. they don't match directly? |
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| 21:04:03 | muesliii | didnt lose oxford the race today? |
| 21:04:24 | preglow | let's just let everyone break grammar whenever they want to and say it's alright |
| 21:04:31 | preglow | would be a fun experiment if nothing else |
| 21:04:43 | webguest26 | I!!!!! agreE |
| 21:04:47 | sharpe | it's what everyone does anyway... |
| 21:05:05 | RedBreva | No, actually Oxford won... |
| 21:05:18 | bluebrother^ | Bger: is there no interest for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4882 or has it problems? |
| 21:06:14 | bluebrother^ | as the remote is said to be supported I think plugins shouldn't have broken text on it. |
| 21:06:22 | muesliii | RedBreva mk..but rockbox shouldnt be more the pope than the pope (hope, its understandable) |
| 21:07:12 | muesliii | himself |
| 21:07:38 | RedBreva | ? :) |
| 21:07:50 | amiconn | Bagder: You can now add an iPod mini 2G sim build :-) |
| 21:08:15 | muesliii | RedBreva means, it doesnt have to be over-correct :-) |
| 21:08:22 | muesliii | more blue than blue ;) |
| 21:08:31 | bluebrother^ | it's a german saying. |
| 21:08:35 | RedBreva | Ah OK... |
| 21:08:41 | Bger | bluebrother^ heh |
| 21:08:45 | Bger | i'll commit it now |
| 21:08:54 | bluebrother^ | great :) |
| 21:09:11 | muesliii | bluebrother^ ;) |
| 21:09:12 | Bger | wanted to add size & size on disk things |
| 21:09:45 | bluebrother^ | I thought about adding something like "music files" |
| 21:09:49 | Bger | but won't be able to do it till the freeze |
| 21:10:16 | Bger | ah, the last one is easy probably |
| 21:10:38 | amiconn | bbl |
| 21:10:40 | bluebrother^ | I just haven't looked into it anymore ... |
| 21:10:40 | Bger | at least i can implement it in a buggy way and fix it after midnight :D |
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| 21:10:51 | bluebrother^ | :D |
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| 21:12:50 | bluebrother^ | has anyone the player images from the website in a better resolution? |
| 21:14:06 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 21:14:07 | bluebrother^ | like the ones in uisimulator/sdl but without the added keys? |
| 21:14:36 | Bger | bluebrother^ try asking amiconn and/or Bagder |
| 21:14:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:14:44 | BoD[] | ph3Ar my new themes for the ipod: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g (at the bottom of the page) |
| 21:14:46 | sharpe | hello... |
| 21:14:52 | bluebrother^ | too bad amiconn just left. |
| 21:15:07 | bluebrother^ | but it's not that important.# |
| 21:18:31 | BoD[] | (do you like it?) |
| 21:19:39 | webguest26 | Haha, an Ubuntu theme, using the new Orange Human |
| 21:20:37 | Massa | Paprica, are you here? |
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| 21:25:10 | linuxstb | Here's a nasty test file for Rockbox - an MP3 with a 680KB PNG file in the id3v2 tag: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3265.msg23623#msg23623 |
| 21:25:10 | stripwax | Is there a context menu option to simply "view file details" e.g. creation date/time, tags and length for audio files, size for other files, etc? |
| 21:25:44 | stripwax | linuxstb - was that encoded by musicmatch? |
| 21:25:49 | bluebrother^ | argh. |
| 21:25:54 | bluebrother^ | whats this? |
| 21:25:58 | bluebrother^ | cvs update: Updating PC |
| 21:25:58 | bluebrother^ | U PC/ss-fm-radio-screen-112x64x1.png |
| 21:25:58 | bluebrother^ | U PC/ss-fm-radio-screen-160x128x2.png |
| 21:26:00 | linuxstb | stamppot: It was encoded by the devil himself... |
| 21:26:20 | bluebrother^ | upon a cvs up -dP manual ... has somebody an idea what caused this? |
| 21:26:38 | preglow | ahahahha |
| 21:26:51 | preglow | by some malign entity wishing evil on all humankind |
| 21:27:15 | petur | what, Bill Gates himself? :D |
| 21:27:16 | linuxstb | The lyrics are there as well... |
| 21:27:36 | webguest26 | Lyrics make a lot more sense than albumart, really |
| 21:28:19 | bluebrother^ | but a fresh checkout works fine. |
| 21:29:20 | stripwax | bluebrother^ - "works fine"? what's wrong with updating the files when you did cvs up -dP? looks like it did the right thing to me |
| 21:29:27 | * | bluebrother^ is really puzzled. |
| 21:30:00 | linuxstb | Rockbox shouldn't freeze whilst trying to play that mp3 file though... |
| 21:30:10 | bluebrother^ | stripwax: but why is it updating a directory "PC"? Haven't had this one before, and the files are supposed to get somewhere else. |
| 21:30:33 | petur | album art inside the song makes no sense at all |
| 21:30:37 | bluebrother^ | its exactly the files of my last commit. |
| 21:30:41 | stripwax | "get somewhere else"? My guess would be, someone cvs added a new directory called PC, and when you did cvs up -dP it updated it. what's the problem? |
| 21:30:53 | bluebrother^ | may this be caused by cervisia not recognizing them to be binary? |
| 21:31:25 | bluebrother^ | I did a "cvs up -dP manual" to only update the manual module ... |
| 21:32:00 | bluebrother^ | and I can't find these PC folder with the web cvs |
| 21:32:27 | stripwax | ah. weird, indeed. |
| 21:33:05 | bluebrother^ | if I forget to add binary files as binaries, what can happen? |
| 21:33:12 | preglow | lots of neat stuff |
| 21:33:14 | bluebrother^ | cvs converts all "linebreaks"? |
| 21:33:31 | bluebrother^ | or something like that? This was the first time I used cervisia to add the files. |
| 21:33:31 | preglow | if you convert binary files as ascii files, you should remove and recommit |
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| 21:33:43 | preglow | s/convert/commit/ |
| 21:33:44 | preglow | ... |
| 21:34:01 | bluebrother^ | I even don't know if I did ... :( |
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| 21:34:51 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: Have a look at the CVS/Entries file in the directory containing your bitmaps. That lists which ones have been added with -kb. |
| 21:36:13 | bluebrother^ | linuxstb: should I look in this strange PC folder or the actual cvs tree? |
| 21:37:30 | bluebrother^ | ah ok ... seems they got added without -kb :( |
| 21:37:55 | bluebrother^ | so I am supposed to remove and readd them? Or is there a different way to revert? |
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| 21:40:00 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: I think removing and readding is the only way. |
| 21:40:25 | bluebrother^ | ok. |
| 21:43:17 | Massa | petur: something is strange with the included album art - in some programs it looks O.K. in others it's pixel garbage??? |
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| 21:56:59 | kalmark | hi all |
| 21:57:23 | kalmark | are any devs around and watching here? :) |
| 21:59:28 | sharpe | only if you chant their names a lot |
| 21:59:55 | kalmark | hehe :) |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:05 | kalmark | I only want to say something that should not be lost :) |
| 22:00:25 | stripwax | well, the irc logs are kept around. what's on your mind? |
| 22:01:26 | kalmark | IRC logs are kept, yep, I was just scanning one of them :) One guy wrote a link which had some specsheets and internal photos of an MPIO HD300 |
| 22:01:39 | kalmark | and well maybe that should get into the wiki or something |
| 22:02:26 | kalmark | (and as far as I can see noone really responded to him at that time) |
| 22:03:05 | linuxstb | You could add them to the wiki yourself :) |
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| 22:04:25 | kalmark | if I registered, yes :) But I don't understand what the codes like "SCF5249PB" CPU mean, and the guy only hosts his files at his server, not linking to manufacturers |
| 22:04:38 | kalmark | and without a manufecturer, a product code ain't worth much |
| 22:05:00 | kalmark | maybe someone knows these or something |
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| 22:05:42 | petur | well that must be a coldfire cpu... |
| 22:05:44 | stripwax | SCF5249B is a Samsung coldfile CPU |
| 22:05:52 | petur | heh |
| 22:05:58 | sharpe | anyone else use google? |
| 22:06:02 | sharpe | :) |
| 22:06:26 | stripwax | ? |
| 22:06:27 | linuxstb | Yes, the wiki already says that the hd300 is very similar to the iriver h1x0/h3x0 and iaudio x5: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos#HD_300 |
| 22:06:37 | kalmark | it definitely says so |
| 22:07:00 | kalmark | but I guess devs would need more info than that :) |
| 22:07:27 | linuxstb | kalmark: Do you own a HD300? |
| 22:07:35 | kalmark | I do |
| 22:07:47 | b00st4 | how much power the battery of ipod 5g 60gig has? |
| 22:07:52 | kalmark | I should disassemble it, right? :D |
| 22:08:01 | linuxstb | Yep :) You know the response... |
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| 22:08:37 | kalmark | I don't want to blow my warranty :) but that site has pics, I will try to put those on the wiki |
| 22:08:40 | * | stripwax oopses |
| 22:08:50 | sharpe | ohes noes! |
| 22:09:03 | ivan` | anyone know how to make an iaudio x5 battery pack? |
| 22:09:04 | linuxstb | But you really need to find one or more HD300 owners with programming skills willing to try a port. I'm sure the existing Rockbox developers will help, but you are unlikely to be able to persuade anyone who doesn't own a HD300 to start the port. |
| 22:09:08 | b00st4 | what does the option party-modus mean? |
| 22:09:17 | ivan` | i think 4.8 V on 4.5 V will be safe |
| 22:09:27 | kalmark | hmm that sounds reasonanle, linuxstb |
| 22:09:27 | stripwax | b00st4 - you mean "party mode"? |
| 22:09:31 | kalmark | reasonable |
| 22:09:45 | b00st4 | jap |
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| 22:11:11 | stripwax | b00st4 - read the rockbox manual! http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 22:11:22 | b00st4 | ^^, thx |
| 22:12:40 | sharpe | at least it wasn't "rtfm" |
| 22:12:45 | sharpe | with no link |
| 22:13:21 | Mikachu | i don't see anyone complaining? |
| 22:13:26 | sharpe | :D |
| 22:13:39 | kalmark | okay, call me a noob, but where should I click to add a new wiki page? |
| 22:13:51 | Mikachu | just go to your wanted url |
| 22:13:55 | sharpe | if you try to go to the page, you'll get a link to create it |
| 22:14:01 | kalmark | oh! okay |
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| 22:14:58 | MOoG | hello all |
| 22:16:02 | sharpe | wow... it's so not useful, but it's so interesting... |
| 22:16:34 | MOoG | where can i find a rockdoom version for ipod? |
| 22:16:48 | Mikachu | you can't! |
| 22:16:49 | sharpe | Google's "Eyes" content for the Google homepage... |
| 22:16:52 | sharpe | it crashes |
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| 22:17:21 | sharpe | er, not the google thing, the doom for ipods at the moment. |
| 22:17:36 | sharpe | data alignment error... |
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| 22:19:10 | MOoG | and videos or rockboy? |
| 22:19:33 | sharpe | no videos yet, rockboy works... i think... |
| 22:20:05 | MOoG | on ipod? |
| 22:20:29 | MOoG | where i can find rockboy? |
| 22:20:46 | sharpe | rockboy should already be with the rockbox install... |
| 22:21:03 | MOoG | nope.. |
| 22:21:27 | sharpe | it's not as a plugin, it's as a viewer plugin if i remember correctly |
| 22:21:29 | * | petur expects the 'where can I find roms' question |
| 22:21:31 | webguest26 | It is, you just "play" a .gb or .gbc file |
| 22:22:22 | MOoG | ah.. |
| 22:22:24 | linuxstb | MOoG: Which ipod do you have? |
| 22:22:29 | MOoG | nano |
| 22:22:37 | linuxstb | Then you're out of luck... |
| 22:23:21 | linuxstb | (Rockboy doesn't work on the Nano at the moment) |
| 22:23:34 | MOoG | but Sigh :' |
| 22:23:36 | linuxstb | Rockbox can play music though... |
| 22:23:36 | BHSPitLappy | MOoG: try iBoy-nano with linux |
| 22:23:43 | sharpe | insert wah, waahh, waaahhh noise here. |
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| 22:23:55 | MOoG | i have ipodlinux too.. |
| 22:24:07 | MOoG | and i have problem whit pacman... |
| 22:24:10 | BHSPitLappy | MOoG: the controls are better than rockboys' anyway ;) |
| 22:24:36 | sharpe | well, there is pacbox for rockbox... i don't know if it works on the nano... |
| 22:24:39 | MOoG | i create a folder on .rockbox called pacman and put rom |
| 22:25:15 | linuxstb | MOoG: Did you follow the instructions? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
| 22:25:18 | sharpe | do you have the correct roms for it? |
| 22:25:27 | stripwax | pacbox wfm |
| 22:25:32 | MOoG | but when i try yo load it ....no roms in pacman |
| 22:26:11 | Genre9mp3 | Just a quick question.... 16bit bmps aren't supported? |
| 22:26:13 | stripwax | sounds like you don't have all the roms |
| 22:26:35 | stripwax | Genre9mp3 - is that a question or a statement? If it's a question, is the answer "no?" ok? |
| 22:26:54 | MOoG | correct rom is... |
| 22:27:13 | stripwax | you need *all* the roms. |
| 22:27:17 | linuxstb | MOoG: Did you follow the instructions? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
| 22:27:28 | sharpe | deja vu? :P |
| 22:27:42 | linuxstb | all over again... |
| 22:27:58 | stripwax | MOoG - I believe there are 14 rom files. Do you have them all? |
| 22:28:14 | sharpe | you only need the six stated on the wiki page |
| 22:28:29 | stripwax | er. yeah. what sharpe said. |
| 22:28:31 | preglow | what is album art bitmap files supposed to be called with the current patch? |
| 22:28:33 | Genre9mp3 | I converted 24bit bmps of a wps to 16bit and now the bmps do not load, so I guess 16bit bmps aren't supported. Is this right? |
| 22:28:54 | stripwax | Genre9mp3 - sounds reasonable |
| 22:29:06 | kkurbjun | is there something in rockbox that is forcing cpu boost on a plugin load, I've tried disabling the cpu_boost calls in doom but every time I exit the plugin the cpu it boosted to 1, it's odd though because if I run doom again with the boost already up, it still shows up as 1 on exit |
| 22:29:09 | MOoG | i have pacman.5e .5f .6e .6f .6j .6h |
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| 22:29:34 | Genre9mp3 | stripwax: Why this is reasonable? |
| 22:29:39 | stripwax | MOoG and do the MD5 check out ok? |
| 22:30:03 | stripwax | Genre9mp3 - it sounds reasonable that 16bit bmps are not supported, given that you tried them, and they didn't work. |
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| 22:30:11 | kalmark | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/InsideMPIOHD300 Done :) |
| 22:30:14 | Mikachu | only 24bit bmps work |
| 22:30:14 | MOoG | i follow instruction on wiki page |
| 22:30:16 | stripwax | I don't know for a fact |
| 22:30:57 | stripwax | MOoG - good. If you follow all the instructions correctly, pacbox will now work. |
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| 22:31:11 | MOoG | what version of pacman work? |
| 22:31:25 | MOoG | anyone have link to download? |
| 22:31:30 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I have all the high/low resolution code in doom, if you still were planning on changing the scaling code it's in v_video.c mainly under V_DrawMemPatch. |
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| 22:31:47 | linuxstb | If pacbox is telling you there are no roms, then either the roms have the wrong names, or they are in the wrong directory. |
| 22:31:52 | stripwax | MOoG - dude. What does it say on that wiki page? Did you check the MD5 sums on the files? |
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| 22:32:20 | Genre9mp3 | Ok...just let you know...with the recent album art patch changes, the album art bmp is stored in the wps bmp buffer. This makes album art not working in some wpses (cause the buffer is almost full) |
| 22:32:44 | stripwax | MOoG - btw we will not give you a link to download arcade roms |
| 22:32:47 | MOoG | no i don't check MD5 |
| 22:33:00 | stripwax | ok. try checking them. |
| 22:33:05 | sharpe | but, with the knowledge of google you shalt findeth them. |
| 22:33:09 | MOoG | how? |
| 22:34:07 | stripwax | MOoG - with an MD5 generator. google for one if you don't have one and/or if you don't know what one is |
| 22:34:22 | MOoG | ok |
| 22:34:56 | Genre9mp3 | about the wps buffer, i can say that is about 250.000 bytes....anyone confirm this? |
| 22:35:04 | linuxstb | pacbox doesn't check the MD5s - if pacbox is telling you there are no roms, then it simply means it can't find the files. |
| 22:35:34 | linuxstb | So you haven't put them in /.rockbox/pacman/ |
| 22:35:47 | linuxstb | (or they don't have the correct filenames) |
| 22:35:51 | b00st4 | any advantages on brining doom to ipod? |
| 22:35:58 | MOoG | i create afolder called pacman in .rockbox |
| 22:36:01 | stripwax | linuxstb - I was thinking 'or they're corrupted', maybe I'm wrong |
| 22:36:13 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't it /.rockbox/games/pacman/ ?? |
| 22:36:20 | sharpe | nope |
| 22:36:56 | Genre9mp3 | I place them in /.rockbox/games/pacman/ and works fine |
| 22:37:03 | amiconn | kkurbjun: The scaling looks all different than it did when I looked last time. Iirc the scaling was doen in i_video.c ... |
| 22:37:04 | sharpe | for doom it's just /games/doom/... |
| 22:37:08 | stripwax | hrm, was the location moved? |
| 22:37:21 | sharpe | lets see... |
| 22:37:26 | b00st4 | where do i get these roms? |
| 22:37:27 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: That's a miracle then... |
| 22:37:44 | bluebrother^ | amiconn around? |
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| 22:37:53 | Genre9mp3 | I was playing pacbox an hour ago and I'm sure...the files were in /.rockbox/games/pacman/ |
| 22:37:54 | amiconn | Oh, and the current routine in i_video.c doesn't work for the X5 |
| 22:37:54 | stripwax | b00st4 - read the message earlier where I said we won't tell you where to download the roms from |
| 22:37:55 | sharpe | i have mine in '/.rockbox/pacman/' works fine for me. |
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| 22:38:11 | b00st4 | u mean wiki? |
| 22:38:26 | stripwax | b00st4 - no, on IRC, about five minutes ago |
| 22:38:43 | bluebrother^ | amiconn: I just used the jpeg viewer on my h120. When leaving the menu returning to the image the screen doesn't gets redrawn correctly. |
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| 22:38:56 | sharpe | <stripwax> MOoG - btw we will not give you a link to download arcade roms |
| 22:38:59 | preglow | amiconn: worked any on grayscale? |
| 22:39:04 | bluebrother^ | i.e. if I scroll around there is a white rectangle where the menu was. |
| 22:39:12 | amiconn | bluebrother^: which menu? |
| 22:39:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK stripwax |
| 22:39:21 | stripwax | <sharpe> but, with the knowledge of google you shalt findeth them. |
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| 22:39:37 | * | amiconn doesn't know about any menu in the jpeg viewer |
| 22:39:40 | b00st4 | if i got the roms, do i have to compile or just put em on my drive |
| 22:39:55 | stripwax | b00st4 - what do the wiki pages for pacbox say? |
| 22:40:06 | * | stripwax wonders why everything is coming out in blue |
| 22:40:10 | preglow | too |
| 22:40:11 | kkurbjun | amiconn, it turns out that all of prbooms high resolution additions work well for low resolution, now the status bar, menus, text are all scaled in v_video.c and the game is only rendering on the screenspace given for the particular resolution |
| 22:40:19 | * | sharpe questions it also. |
| 22:40:41 | Mikachu | amiconn: there is one now, jdgordon's thinger |
| 22:40:42 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: Maybe you put the files on the correct place in an older build. Then you updated and put again the files in /games/pacbox/. With a replace procedure the old files don't get deleted |
| 22:40:59 | kkurbjun | amiconn, on the x5 it's probably trying to use the H300 code, I need to properly ifdef that |
| 22:41:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:41:45 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Nope....first time put the pacman files |
| 22:42:01 | bluebrother^ | amiconn: the menu that appears when pressing stop −− the previous quit button. |
| 22:42:13 | amiconn | The X5 probably uses a different port address, and also needs translation of the gfx data because the silly lcd takes 18 bit data (written as 2 consecutive 16bit words containing 9 significant bits each), although it scales back down to 16bit internally |
| 22:42:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: JdGordon introduced a menu because with the new slideshow iPods didn't have any vacant buttons |
| 22:42:50 | kkurbjun | that sounds extremely inefficient |
| 22:43:08 | amiconn | Imho the jpeg viewer is suffering from too many extras now. |
| 22:43:34 | bluebrother^ | I agree with this. |
| 22:43:36 | Mikachu | it still views a single file the same way as before |
| 22:43:43 | Mikachu | so i don't tihnk there's any downside.. |
| 22:43:43 | b00st4 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox < on this site i cant find any hint to where i could get the roms |
| 22:43:45 | b00st4 | from |
| 22:43:50 | Mikachu | b00st4: correct |
| 22:43:52 | psii | anyone know if there has been any development on a fixed point mp3 encoder? |
| 22:43:53 | amiconn | It was designed and intended as a jpeg *viewer*, not a viewer-slideshow -all-in-one-mega-plugin :/ |
| 22:43:55 | bluebrother^ | I liked it better quitting the viewer with a single button. |
| 22:44:03 | Genre9mp3 | so should be in "/.rockbox/pacman" OR "/games/pacman" ? |
| 22:44:06 | preglow | psii: we already have one |
| 22:44:07 | amiconn | Mikachu: No, it doesn't. |
| 22:44:08 | stripwax | b00st4 right, and that's because we won't tell you where to download the roms for. say, do you know any search engines? |
| 22:44:08 | Bger | amiconn: evolution ;) |
| 22:44:14 | Mikachu | amiconn: you mean the quit button? |
| 22:44:34 | psii | preglow: oh wow, so we can record to mp3 with irivers now? |
| 22:44:40 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: No. Pacbox only looks for ROMs in /.rockbox/pacman/ |
| 22:44:54 | amiconn | For instance, with the view-while-playing addition, I can't zoom fully into some images, and for other images it asks me whether I want to stop playback - but I'm not playing anything (!) |
| 22:44:58 | webguest26 | psii: having an encoder and having one integrated is not the same |
| 22:45:07 | XavierGr | amiconn: I think that will better if we manage a way to split the jpeg plugin in a way that the jpeg code isn't shared with the slideshow, file changing code. So in the future we could make a universal plugin for more picture formats |
| 22:45:21 | preglow | psii: currently, you can convert wavs to mp3s, and the quality is none too good |
| 22:45:27 | Nico_P | Paprica: you there ? |
| 22:45:31 | preglow | psii: some day after 3.0 we will make it possibly to encode directly |
| 22:45:34 | XavierGr | (ok my sentence is pretty fucked up) |
| 22:45:38 | psii | webguest26: ah that's what i was after.. |
| 22:45:51 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I think I have it commited so that the X5 will use the generic routine now, just comitted |
| 22:46:12 | amiconn | The generic routine isn't particularly efficient. |
| 22:46:18 | sharpe | heh, should i continue on the idea of the 6502 cpu emulator? :) |
| 22:46:20 | psii | preglow: in early may i can start helping with development |
| 22:46:26 | preglow | psii: then hooray! |
| 22:46:39 | kkurbjun | amiconn, what could be done to speed it up? |
| 22:46:46 | preglow | anyone here interested in trying the piezo ticking patch? |
| 22:46:52 | ivan` | i'm getting an X5 in a few days but probably won't flash rockbox yet because of increased batt. usage |
| 22:46:53 | MOoG | there is a rockpaint or rockword for pod? |
| 22:47:12 | amiconn | I don't understand the internals of v_video right now, but if it would be possible to also apply the pallette directly in there (i.e. rendering into native lcd format) that would help a lot |
| 22:47:15 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you thinking of committing it? |
| 22:47:16 | stripwax | MOoG - it's probably buildable from source |
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| 22:47:48 | amiconn | We would then add lcd_blit() for all platforms, and use that for transferring the image to the lcd |
| 22:47:50 | Bger | bluebrother^ in cvs |
| 22:48:02 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...I was mistaken...The files are not in /.rockbox/games/pacman" but neither in "/.rockbox/pacman". I have a folder "/GAMES/pacman" and works! |
| 22:48:05 | MOoG | im so noob whit compiler |
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| 22:48:20 | Genre9mp3 | Just like "/GAMES/Doom" |
| 22:48:39 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Are you running a patched version of Rockbox? |
| 22:48:49 | amiconn | preglow: I don't know whether your piezo thing is currently implemented that way, but imho it shouldn't be directly linked to the button driver |
| 22:48:51 | kkurbjun | amiconn, v_video only handles the 2d drawing, r_draw handles all the 3d stuff. |
| 22:48:52 | Genre9mp3 | Yes.... |
| 22:49:12 | linuxstb | One of the H300 experimental builds? |
| 22:49:23 | amiconn | The piezo should have its own driver, and called from apps when it should tick/beep/whatever |
| 22:49:34 | Genre9mp3 | No..I've patched my self...but I used similar patches with the experimental |
| 22:49:39 | preglow | amiconn: that's the only thing i've got time for right now |
| 22:50:00 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Then you must have patched pacbox.. |
| 22:50:18 | kkurbjun | amiconn, do you have an x5 to test with? |
| 22:50:19 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I mean, v_video seems to render into a palette-based framebuffer. i_video then applies the current pallette while transferring the image to the lcd |
| 22:50:22 | preglow | i've got a couple of hours of rockbox time tomorrow, but i need those for making the crossfeed patch ready |
| 22:50:33 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...I see....So, mystery solved! |
| 22:50:48 | stripwax | not for MOoG it's not |
| 22:51:03 | amiconn | If the pallette would already get applied in v_video, the routine in i_video would turn into a simple transfer, easily replaced by lcd_blit() |
| 22:51:07 | MOoG | i need help |
| 22:51:07 | Moos | kkurbjun: I'll test doom on X5 and let you know |
| 22:51:32 | * | amiconn prods preglow for libmad optimisation and a less crappy resampler |
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| 22:51:51 | preglow | yeah, i'll try to fix the last some time during feature freeze |
| 22:52:13 | obo | linuxstb: got a mo? |
| 22:52:33 | linuxstb | Maybe..... |
| 22:52:37 | preglow | i also need to write a profiler parser for arm |
| 22:53:08 | kkurbjun | yes, that is correct, but the rendering is done in two seperate places, v_video just does the paletted buffer for 2d stuff, and r_draw does the 3d paletted stuff, I guess both could possibly render to a native format, but it would still require palette lookups.. |
| 22:53:12 | kkurbjun | Moos, thanks |
| 22:53:21 | MOoG | i doesn't work.. |
| 22:53:31 | obo | hehe - you commented on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 - any chance on some more feedback, even if it's just to say it's not a wanted feature, or if it should wait to post-Mayday? |
| 22:53:40 | MOoG | i want pacman |
| 22:53:42 | stripwax | MOoG - what doesn't work - building rockpaint from source? |
| 22:54:44 | linuxstb | obo: Ah, the headphone pause patch. Personally, I hate that feature in the Apple firmware... |
| 22:54:45 | MOoG | im not a programer.. |
| 22:55:07 | MOoG | i want rock work or rockpaint..but i have to wait.. |
| 22:55:16 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Adding grayscale lib support would be another interesting task, but I won't work on that right now. I already have to split forces during the freeze between fixing things for our release targets and experimenting with my iPod mini |
| 22:55:29 | amiconn | I want to get grayscale running on that too... |
| 22:55:31 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i find it useful |
| 22:55:34 | linuxstb | MOoG: Rockword and Rockpaint were written for the iriver H300 - they won't work on the Nano's smaller display. |
| 22:55:47 | Mikachu | obo: wolud it be possible to combine it with the autoresume setting, so rb only resumes playing if headphones are plugged in? |
| 22:55:59 | Mikachu | obo: i don't want it to start playing when i'm at home experimenting with plugins for example |
| 22:56:13 | MOoG | i know.. |
| 22:56:25 | MOoG | i need also pacman =) |
| 22:56:55 | obo | Mikachu: not sure I understand what you're asking exactly... it can already auto-resume |
| 22:57:03 | Mikachu | obo: i only want auto-resume if the phones are in |
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| 22:57:13 | Mikachu | obo: ah, maybe i wasn't clear |
| 22:57:21 | Mikachu | obo: i mean when i start rockbox |
| 22:57:32 | Mikachu | obo: there's a setting that says if music should start playing automatically or not on bootup |
| 22:57:32 | sharpe | ahah, what about a 4004 emulator? :) |
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| 22:58:01 | obo | Mikachu: ah, okay - I don't tend to use auto-resume, so I hadn't considered that |
| 22:58:16 | kkurbjun | amiconn, doom uses quite a few of it's own paletted buffers, I think it's usually 3 at the most. It buffers the 2d stuff and then combines it on screens[0], the 3d stuff always renders to screens[0], the status bar is at screens[4] (I think), and then the screen melts use other buffers. I understand, I can see working on the mini being higher on the list for release |
| 22:58:28 | XavierGr | is there a list of bugs that must be hunted down during the feature freeze? |
| 22:58:36 | amiconn | Slasheri: The *whole* row turned yellow (!) |
| 22:58:40 | XavierGr | or we just pick them from the bug tracker? |
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| 22:58:45 | Mikachu | obo: it would be nice since i can then just turn it on and put it in my pocket and go about unlocking my bike |
| 22:59:06 | Mikachu | XavierGr: there is a 'for 3.0' link in the trackre |
| 22:59:11 | amiconn | kkurbjun: The iPods are no release targets for 3.0 |
| 22:59:22 | obo | Mikachu: okay, I'll see what I can do |
| 22:59:29 | kkurbjun | ahh, I didn't realize that |
| 22:59:37 | Mikachu | obo: i noticed the register is not the same before and after you plug in the headphones... after you did it once it's either 0x10 or 0x30 (i think), but before it is just 0x20 |
| 22:59:50 | amiconn | (and now the darn builds seem to hang once again, grr) |
| 22:59:53 | Mikachu | so maybe it is only detected if you plug/unplug it while running |
| 22:59:56 | MOoG | anyone have try pacbox on nano? |
| 22:59:58 | MOoG | ??? |
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| 23:00:04 | kkurbjun | Moos, did that work for the X5? |
| 23:00:04 | obo | Mikachu: 0x80 is headphones - 0x20 is hold (I think...) |
| 23:00:07 | amiconn | t0mas? Bagder? |
| 23:00:27 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: yeah ipod has a long way to see a release from what I understand |
| 23:00:34 | Mikachu | obo: okay, i'll look at it again |
| 23:00:43 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: any plan to optimize the midi plugin? |
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| 23:00:45 | Mikachu | MOoG: yes, it works fine except it crashes after 5 minutes |
| 23:00:51 | Moos | kkurbjun: I'am relloking where to get the 2 files for test, let's me 2min |
| 23:01:05 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: also, I though that the doom plugin had sound, no? |
| 23:01:30 | kkurbjun | XavierGr, I would like to eventually. It does have sound, just no music |
| 23:01:36 | Mikachu | obo: which pin is it again? |
| 23:01:48 | obo | Mikachu: GPIOA |
| 23:02:01 | Mikachu | okay, it's 28 now, booted without phones |
| 23:02:25 | Mikachu | plugged in, A8 |
| 23:02:33 | Mikachu | ah, back to 28 when unplugged |
| 23:02:37 | Mikachu | i must have been dreaming then, nm :) |
| 23:02:38 | obo | Mikachu: yup - try now with hold |
| 23:02:47 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Hmm. The current method for H300 in i_video.c is rather dirty. Directly accessing the hardware.... |
| 23:03:03 | amiconn | But otoh this is way faster than copying everything twice... |
| 23:03:04 | Mikachu | obo: hm, F also changes between 1A and 3A |
| 23:03:35 | kkurbjun | amiconn, yes, it's at least a noticable difference |
| 23:04:07 | Mikachu | obo: i think that's the one that was 2A, but it isn't now, so there's no problem then |
| 23:04:16 | kkurbjun | amiconn, would there be a way to have a general optimized paletted transfer for use in rockboy and doom? |
| 23:04:37 | kkurbjun | I don't know how much asm could help with a function like that |
| 23:04:38 | obo | Mikachu: yes, F seems to be 0x20 - but I can't get mine to 1A or 3A.... |
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| 23:04:50 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Hmm, not sure |
| 23:04:52 | Mikachu | obo: is yours a nano? |
| 23:04:58 | obo | Mikachu: nope, 5g |
| 23:04:58 | Mikachu | obo: hold changes both A and B |
| 23:05:01 | Mikachu | ah |
| 23:05:06 | Mikachu | maybe it's different for some reason |
| 23:05:25 | obo | Mikachu: yes, hold is changing A and B for me also - but different values |
| 23:05:51 | kkurbjun | amiconn, also, I don't know if the H300 lcd driver supports it, but being able to have a paletted mode supported by the lcd driver would probably speed things up |
| 23:05:51 | obo | Mikachu: 2 and F |
| 23:06:16 | amiconn | kkurbjun: The lcd controller has no palette features |
| 23:06:23 | kkurbjun | I was looking at the specs for it and I couldn't find much other then (I think) and 8 color mode |
| 23:06:26 | kkurbjun | oh |
| 23:06:26 | Mikachu | would be a lot easier if the values were printed in binary :) |
| 23:06:45 | Mikachu | obo: yeah, same here if you mean the first digit |
| 23:06:55 | obo | true :) yup, first digit |
| 23:07:23 | amiconn | kkurbjun: The 8-colour mode is just for saving energy. You still need to transfer 16bit image data, only the pixel cells get either fully enabled, or fully disabled |
| 23:07:44 | Mikachu | amiconn: what do you think about only clearing settings with hold on but headphones not plugged in? :) |
| 23:07:48 | kkurbjun | I see |
| 23:07:59 | amiconn | Doing that saves energy because the whole voltage divider circuitry can be switched off |
| 23:08:29 | sharpe | woo! found the instruction set for the intel 4004 |
| 23:08:55 | kkurbjun | makes sense |
| 23:10:19 | webguest26 | Does anything interesting for 4004 exist? |
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| 23:10:26 | sharpe | i dunno |
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| 23:10:33 | sharpe | doesn't seem like it |
| 23:10:47 | amiconn | sharpe: I think an efficient Z80 emulator would be more useful |
| 23:10:49 | sharpe | well... they were originally used for calculators |
| 23:11:03 | sharpe | there's already one on the... pacbox source i think... |
| 23:11:14 | stripwax | *efficient* ;-) |
| 23:11:20 | sharpe | :) |
| 23:11:21 | amiconn | pacbox uses Z80 emulation, and the gameboy CPU is a modified Z80 as well |
| 23:11:25 | mindmedic | a big thanks to the rockbox team for making my ipod nano more enjoyable!!! |
| 23:12:07 | sharpe | wouldn't it be kind of interesting to have a 4004 emulator for rockbox? :) |
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| 23:12:17 | mindmedic | rockbox is really square². |
| 23:12:32 | midkay | does lcd_set_contrast require an lcd_update to take effect? |
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| 23:14:19 | sharpe | well, the 4004 could address 4kb of memory.. |
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| 23:16:21 | amiconn | t0mas? Bagder? |
| 23:16:24 | amiconn | Slasheri? |
| 23:18:46 | * | Cassandra gets confused. What time is it in CET? |
| 23:18:58 | linuxstb | CET is GMT+1 |
| 23:19:01 | amiconn | 22:18 |
| 23:19:06 | bluebrother^ | Cassandra: CEST is 23.18h now |
| 23:19:10 | Mikachu | sweden is in CEST now |
| 23:19:13 | amiconn | But we have CEST now, which is GMT+2 |
| 23:19:14 | stripwax | I thought CET was BST+1 |
| 23:19:20 | stripwax | ah |
| 23:19:23 | Mikachu | what is BST? |
| 23:19:29 | linuxstb | GMT+1 |
| 23:19:31 | Cassandra | Looks like I'm not the only one. ;) |
| 23:19:34 | MOoG | thx 4 all pacmanwork |
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| 23:19:42 | linuxstb | Cassandra: I had the same question yesterday :) |
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| 23:19:53 | Mikachu | apparently australia just went out of dst :) |
| 23:20:11 | * | Cassandra decides a certain flexibily for the last commit before freeze might be sensible.. |
| 23:20:14 | amiconn | preglow: Haha, I now found why backlight fading disturbed playback. It was just some overdriving because the meaning of the settings block changed |
| 23:20:29 | amiconn | I now enabled backlight fading, reset settings - and it works like a charm |
| 23:20:41 | sharpe | what about a 8080 emulator, strangely similar to the z80 :) |
| 23:20:53 | stripwax | sharpe - what for, though@ |
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| 23:21:04 | sharpe | eh, not real reason. just to have. |
| 23:21:24 | amiconn | (and even 10s looks very smooth) |
| 23:21:24 | Cassandra | Couple of things I need to get done: making sure only WPSes designed fot the appropriate resolution get installed into the tarballs. |
| 23:21:28 | Mikachu | it makes not so much sense to just have a cpu emulator |
| 23:22:13 | sharpe | heh |
| 23:22:47 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes. My thought was to extend the WPSLIST file to have both a minimum and maximum size for each WPS. |
| 23:22:49 | bluebrother^ | Cassandra: KDE's clock can show different timezones. Including UTC directly :) |
| 23:23:04 | Nico_P | about album art: would the plugin buffer be a good place to store the bitmaps ? |
| 23:23:19 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Where would plugins go? |
| 23:23:37 | Nico_P | isn't the plugin buffer free when displaying the WPS ? |
| 23:23:40 | Cassandra | linuxstb: There's a couple of problems with that approach. |
| 23:23:47 | Mikachu | Nico_P: not if you have a tsr plugin |
| 23:23:53 | bluebrother^ | what happened to the bleeding edge buildings? Looks like something stucks |
| 23:23:53 | Nico_P | right |
| 23:23:57 | Cassandra | Text WPS and graphical WPSes require different handling. |
| 23:24:18 | Mikachu | text wps still depend on the number of lines you can display.. |
| 23:24:22 | linuxstb | Yes, but text WPSs are also designed for certain font/lcd size combinations. |
| 23:24:30 | Cassandra | (AFAICT a text WPS needs to be able to get at least 'n' text lines, width not so important.) |
| 23:24:45 | Cassandra | Graphical WPSes are always fixed resolution. |
| 23:25:24 | Mikachu | this is unrelated, but i put in some keybinds for a-b repeat on ipods, and it seems to work fine on my nano |
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| 23:25:29 | XavierGr | tsr plugins are not a problem AFAIK |
| 23:25:42 | Cassandra | linuxstb, but the only thing that will 'stop' a text WPS from working is if there aren't enough display lines. |
| 23:25:51 | XavierGr | I remember that amiconn said that you can fetch the point where the tsr plugin takes memory. |
| 23:26:05 | XavierGr | IIRC, I am not sure though |
| 23:26:35 | linuxstb | It's still not a good place to put album art. What happens if you start a plugin whilst album art is sitting there, and then return to the WPS? |
| 23:26:53 | Mikachu | you would have to tell the wps that you ate his buffer and he has to reload it |
| 23:27:04 | linuxstb | Not a KISS approach... |
| 23:27:23 | kkurbjun | does the X5 sim work? what button opens the menu |
| 23:27:35 | Mikachu | it would be nice if the core could sort of dynamically borrow memory from the audio buffer |
| 23:27:42 | amiconn | Nico_P: Don't mess with the plugin buffer. A tsr plugin may be running, and the playlist viewer also uses it |
| 23:27:48 | * | Cassandra proposes the following system for working out which WPSes to install: |
| 23:28:00 | XavierGr | yes, indeed. If you start a plugin you will have to reloade the picture |
| 23:28:10 | linuxstb | Cassandra: So your plan is to make text WPSs available for all targets (subject to a minimum number of lines?) and graphics WPSs are only for the size specified? |
| 23:28:19 | * | webguest26 notes again that http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2388 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2387 can be closed (http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/splitedit.c?view=log) |
| 23:28:29 | preglow | amiconn: cool |
| 23:28:29 | Nico_P | it was just an idea like that... i suspected there would be such objections :) |
| 23:28:40 | preglow | amiconn: it doesn't look smooth on the darkest levels here |
| 23:29:01 | linuxstb | webguest26: I'll have a look now. |
| 23:29:15 | webguest26 | linuxstb: should be pretty clear-cut |
| 23:29:18 | Cassandra | 1) Get rid of the .rwps file type. Move to having wpses in /.rockbox/wps/ and rwpses in /rockbox/rwps/ (on the targer) both with extension .wps (since there are no formatting differences between wpses and rwpses |
| 23:29:35 | Bger | webguest26 done |
| 23:29:55 | Mikachu | Bger: bug close stealer :) |
| 23:29:57 | Cassandra | 2) In CVS, have WPSes sorted into subdirs according to screen capabilities needed to display them. |
| 23:30:08 | webguest26 | 2 down, 30 to go |
| 23:30:15 | amiconn | Cassandra: How would the loader then distinguish wps'es for main & remote lcd? |
| 23:30:35 | amiconn | Remember, you can load wps'es from anywhere, not just /.rockbox/wps |
| 23:30:36 | Bger | Mikachu :) |
| 23:30:57 | Cassandra | amiconn: The distinctions artificial. You should be able to load any WPS file that will fit in your remoter on the remote. |
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| 23:31:22 | linuxstb | But how can you tell Rockbox to load a .wps to the remote? |
| 23:31:38 | Cassandra | So for example, many wpses designed for the Archos Recorder would be suitable for the Hxxx remoter. |
| 23:31:43 | amiconn | Cassandra: How would the loader know that the wps fits the main lcd, or the remote lcd? |
| 23:31:53 | Mikachu | the user would have to say what he wants? |
| 23:32:20 | amiconn | What's so bad about the .rwps extension?? |
| 23:32:28 | Cassandra | linuxstb, you have two copies on target of wpses that can be loaded on either, one in /.rockbox/wps one in /.rockbox/rwps. |
| 23:32:32 | sharpe | the fact that it's four letters :P |
| 23:32:43 | amiconn | The build system could easily repackage a .wps as .rwps |
| 23:32:45 | Cassandra | Unfortunate in terms of space, but I think KISS applies. |
| 23:33:07 | webguest26 | how about /mine.wps |
| 23:33:08 | amiconn | Well, normally you don't have 2 copies of any wps |
| 23:33:11 | webguest26 | where's that loaded? |
| 23:33:16 | Cassandra | amiconn, the problem with that occurs with, say boxes on H3xx. |
| 23:33:21 | amiconn | We dont have targets with identical main & remote lcd resolution |
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| 23:34:08 | linuxstb | Cassandra: But Rockbox decides what to do with a file based on the extension - when you select a .wps file in the file browser, which screen should Rockbox load the WPS to? |
| 23:35:08 | Cassandra | linuxstb, good point. OK, keep the rwps extension. It'll mean that we can't share bitmaps between WPS and RWPS, but that's not a total disaster. |
| 23:35:17 | linuxstb | Unless we stop users loading .wps files directly, and force them to use .cfg files... |
| 23:35:45 | bluebrother^ | how about extending the wps format so it can hold both? |
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| 23:35:58 | Cassandra | bluebrother^, we want them to be independent. |
| 23:36:01 | linuxstb | I would also like a way for WPSs in CVS to share bitmaps - I'm sure there are lots of duplicated bitmaps in all the boxes WPSs for example. |
| 23:36:07 | bluebrother^ | hmm, ok. |
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| 23:36:12 | Cassandra | linuxstb, so would I. |
| 23:36:28 | bluebrother^ | but I think it would at least be nice to have one file containing all. |
| 23:36:40 | Cassandra | Consider, however, the case where you have a WPS for H100, H300 and iriver remote. |
| 23:36:47 | bluebrother^ | otoh, this could be something for a tarred theme loader. |
| 23:36:58 | Cassandra | the h100 wps and iriver remote wpses could share bitmaps. |
| 23:37:21 | Cassandra | But the h300 one would need colour bitmaps, so couldn't share with the remote wps. |
| 23:37:38 | Cassandra | Sharing bitmaps adds a hell of a lot of complexity to the situation. |
| 23:38:01 | Cassandra | Especially if we want to keep bitmaps segregated according to what WPS they're for. |
| 23:38:08 | Cassandra | (which seems like a good idea.) |
| 23:38:38 | sharpe | it's not a good thing to have segregation... :D |
| 23:39:16 | Cassandra | sharpe, actually it is. Without it, WPS installation and uninstallation becomes practically unmanageable. |
| 23:39:27 | sharpe | i wasn't talking about wpses... |
| 23:39:33 | Cassandra | (oh, sorry, humour. ;) ) |
| 23:39:44 | Mikachu | maybe you should just have one default wps for all targets and have a cvs-independent wps repository |
| 23:41:05 | Cassandra | If we ship some wpses by default, they really ought to be in CVS. |
| 23:42:03 | XavierGr | what about the default wps contest you were saying for the 3.0 release? |
| 23:42:05 | Mikachu | yeah, i meant just having one rockbox wps in the dist, but maybe it wouldn't solve any of those problems anyway |
| 23:42:31 | XavierGr | will each target have a default wps or all tragets will share the same? |
| 23:42:49 | Cassandra | Mikachu, not really, no. |
| 23:43:20 | Cassandra | XavierGr, the current intention, I believe is to have a version of boxes for each supported platforrm. |
| 23:43:27 | sharpe | my ipod seems to be generating a lot more heat now than it used to... |
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| 23:43:42 | Cassandra | I'm not sure whether we decided whether it would be the default or not. |
| 23:44:06 | sharpe | improvised cooling! mountain dew and a rag. |
| 23:44:18 | linuxstb | I still think we should try and focus the efforts of the WPS designers by having a competition for a default theme for the 3.0 release. |
| 23:44:22 | Mikachu | you use bottled water as a coolant? |
| 23:44:59 | Cassandra | linuxstb, the problem is that WPS designers don't tend to design with portability in mind. |
| 23:45:28 | linuxstb | Exactly - but a competition with the prize of "default Rockbox theme" may tempt a few of them to make the extra effort. |
| 23:46:17 | Cassandra | linuxstb, well send a mail out to the commiters list about it and we'll discuss it. |
| 23:46:28 | XavierGr | default for all targets? |
| 23:46:36 | XavierGr | and what about colour pictures then? |
| 23:47:23 | Cassandra | I have no objection to someone producing a better WPS than boxes, but it has to run on all the graphical targets, it has to fit with the KISS feel of default rockbox, and it has to have 'rockbox branding'. |
| 23:47:27 | * | webguest26 hopes the commiters list is named rockbox-cabal |
| 23:47:48 | Cassandra | (oh, and it has to work with the 3.0 featureset). |
| 23:48:20 | Cassandra | That's actually a pretty tough call. |
| 23:48:24 | XavierGr | Cassandra: So boxes use colour or b/w pics? |
| 23:48:28 | Galois | the current default theme is pretty much the only one that works with unifont |
| 23:48:34 | Mikachu | XavierGr: there is boxes in bw and color |
| 23:48:39 | Cassandra | XavierGr, colour on colour targets. |
| 23:49:17 | Cassandra | Galois, which reminds me of another constraint - must be able to use the rockbox_default font. |
| 23:49:19 | XavierGr | so the designer will have to make it portable along all targets, colour and b/w, and with rockbox colour on it? |
| 23:49:48 | XavierGr | yes and rockbox default font |
| 23:50:01 | Galois | unifont is the only useful font |
| 23:50:20 | Mikachu | unifont is pretty useless on nano |
| 23:50:21 | Cassandra | Galois, unifont is useless on Archos platforms. |
| 23:50:23 | Cassandra | It's too big. |
| 23:50:46 | Mikachu | 6+12x13 is just right for nano and a moderate set of outlandish characters |
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| 23:50:52 | Cassandra | This is the problem with soliciting content. |
| 23:51:08 | Cassandra | Most people using Rockbox are very focussed on a single platform. |
| 23:51:22 | XavierGr | Cassandra: But if boxes has both colour and b/w version the WPS itself is different for some targets. (I mean it is not the same package) |
| 23:51:26 | Cassandra | But consistenct across platforms is an important goal for us. |
| 23:52:08 | XavierGr | so a WPS for H300 screen will be different on archos recorder. So eventually you need 2 versions |
| 23:52:14 | Cassandra | XavierGr, correct - that's why I need to change the WPS build script - so that it copies the appropriate version of boxes for the desired platform. |
| 23:52:37 | Cassandra | XavierGr, there are already 5 different versions of boxes. |
| 23:52:44 | XavierGr | ah so the contestants will have to make one version for each target (or screen) |
| 23:52:47 | Galois | without unifont the international characters are simply not displayed. I prefer too big over nonexistent. |
| 23:52:50 | Cassandra | Yes. |
| 23:53:03 | Mikachu | it should be pretty easy to convert the X.org fonts to rockbox fonts |
| 23:53:13 | Mikachu | they come in all sizes from 5x4 to 12x24 i think |
| 23:53:19 | Mikachu | and have pretty good unicode coverage |
| 23:53:32 | Cassandra | Galois, yes, well of course. Some of our users don't need international characters, and some of our users don't have enough memory for them. |
| 23:53:49 | Cassandra | Just because a choice is right for you doesn't mean it's right for everyone. |
| 23:54:11 | Galois | you're using the same logic in reverse by letting the archos users wag the dog |
| 23:54:31 | Cassandra | Galois, I don't think so. |
| 23:54:43 | Cassandra | Per platform default fonts is on the roadmap for 3.1 |
| 23:55:10 | Cassandra | And it's pretty easy to change the font to one you want anyway. |
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| 23:55:26 | linuxstb | Whatever the default theme is, it's not going to appeal to everyone. IMO, it should show what Rockbox is capable of - and there are some nice looking WPSs available for both the H1x0 and H3x0. |
| 23:55:28 | Galois | it won't be if the default theme becomes like boxes or something that doesn't even fit unifont |
| 23:55:56 | linuxstb | I just think that we should try and make a better first impression. |
| 23:56:00 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I believe boxes is the closesst thing we have to fulfilling that goal currently. |
| 23:56:05 | Mikachu | you need a better unicode font than unifont too |
| 23:56:12 | Cassandra | I have no problem with soliciting more options though. |
| 23:56:30 | XavierGr | linuxstb: exactly, so each wps has to be different for each target (well the same design but with different syntax and such) |
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| 23:56:49 | linuxstb | I don't understand what the problem is with specifying a different default font for larger LCDs. This is a different issue to the built-in system font. |
| 23:57:05 | Galois | as long as the present default theme is still present in non-default form (as opposed to being completely replaced), the unifont users can deal |
| 23:57:19 | Cassandra | linuxstb, the problem is that it screws things wrt remote support. |
| 23:57:43 | Cassandra | Galois, oh, it'll be there alright. |
| 23:58:05 | Cassandra | I think we should add an 8 pixel high unicode font if we can find one though. |
| 23:58:14 | Genre9mp3 | Would it be possible to use different fonts in the remote to solve this? |
| 23:58:27 | Cassandra | Then any WPS designed to work with the default will have a unicode option. |
| 23:58:32 | Mikachu | isn't unifont like 20 pixels high? |
| 23:58:43 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, not currently. |
| 23:58:44 | Bger | nite |
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| 23:58:50 | linuxstb | Cassandra: I wouldn't go as far as to say it screws up the remote. Are you saying no h1x0 or h3x0 uses a larger font than the default? |
| 23:58:58 | Cassandra | It's one of the things that require more fixing than we have time for. |
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