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#rockbox log for 2006-04-02

00:02:05XavierGramiconn: have you ever succeded into copy-pasting text from guestOS - hostOS (and vice versa) with vmware?
00:02:50amiconnWorks fine here. But I think that requires vmware tools...
00:03:11XavierGrI just installed them. And all is working right except from this
00:03:23XavierGr(Shared folders, mouse universality e.t.c)
00:03:48amiconnI think it worked... but I can check
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00:06:44XavierGrI have checked all options to enable the feature but still each operating system keep its own clipboard
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00:09:15bluebrother_is the archos player sim not capable of playing sound?
00:09:26 Nick bluebrother_ is now known as bluebrother^ (
00:10:09XavierGramiconn I just found the solution
00:10:37XavierGrYou can't copy-paste from windows-linux with the shortcut ctrl-c and ctrl-v
00:10:56XavierGrinstead you must use right-click->edit->copy
00:12:08XavierGryup that's it
00:12:16XavierGrno more ctrl-c ctrl-v
00:12:21XavierGrstrange though
00:12:49XavierGrI though that these hotkeys were shortcuts and didn't place the data to another part of memory
00:13:20XavierGrnow lets compile the cross-compiler
00:14:20amiconnctrl-c and ctrl-v are working fine on the windows side
00:14:50XavierGryou mean copy pasteing inside windows
00:14:52amiconnIn the linux console, ctrl-c is taken
00:15:12XavierGrtry this ctrl-c on windows and then copy on linux the gnome terminal uses shift-ctrl-c and shift-ctrl-v instead
00:15:24amiconnXavierGr: Yes, I tried that, it works
00:15:26sharpei am having... problems...
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00:30:53enzymeok i got a new problem i think i fucked my ipod
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00:31:48Massa_Nico_P, are you online?
00:31:58Nico_Pi am
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00:32:27Massa_I have found the problem I have with the latest album art patches
00:32:46Nico_Pwhat is it ?
00:33:05Massa_look at the function wps_reset in apps\gui\gwps.c
00:33:07enzymeits on the rockbox bootloader, it says partion 1:0x08 28mb then loading after that rockbox error -1 loading original firmware then keeps repeating, it doesnt show me a disk drive nothing
00:33:25Massa_You reset the album art loading there - which is not good!
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00:33:40Nico_Pwhy ?
00:33:49sharpeerror -1 is where the firmware isn't on the ipod if i remember correctly, try copying 'rockbox.ipod' to the root of the ipod.
00:34:12Massa_Because this function will be called twice, once with data pointer to main device WPS and the second time with data pointer to remote (if present)
00:34:15enzymei cant i plug my ipod in the computer and it doesnt show up
00:34:51sharpewhile booting your ipod, hold menu and select when you first see the apple logo, and then when it's in disk mode, try then...
00:34:59Nico_PMassa: and so what does it do wrong ? i didn't see any problem
00:35:38Massa_1.) wps_reset is called for the main device - it also resets the album art loading.
00:35:55sharpeer, hold play and select... menu and select is to reboot.
00:36:20Massa_2.) set_load_album_art(true) is called because the tag '%C' for main device has been found
00:36:45Massa_3.) wps_reset for remote device is called -> reset of album art loading again!!!!
00:36:53Massa_And that's the problem!
00:36:55enzymethank god ok it is in disc mode now
00:37:11Massa_It happens if your main wps is defined before your remote wps in the theme....
00:37:15sharpetry copying the firmware to it then
00:38:11Nico_Pok i'll look at it...
00:38:24Massa_Maybe the album_art loading flag could be part of the wps_data structure?
00:38:33Nico_Pjust need to get my sim to work again
00:38:46Massa_Why doesn't it work?
00:39:10Nico_Pi don'tknow, it crashes when i start it
00:39:33Massa_Did you have a look inside stderr.txt?
00:39:34Nico_Psince i did cvs up earlyer today after the commit for the recording screen
00:40:11Massa_Hmm - it still works here... - but I'm not sure if I'm up to date :)
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00:40:38Nico_Pi don't have a stderr file
00:40:39Massa_Shall I solve the problem and provide a patch?
00:40:52Massa_What is your environment?
00:41:05Nico_Pif you want... maybe you could also include the changes you made some time ago :)
00:41:13Nico_Pi'm on kubuntu linux
00:41:25Massa_They are already integrated here ;)
00:41:44enzymeso sharpe, ok so should i install the old firm ware with ipodupdater and try rockbox
00:41:54Massa_BTW, has paprica changed something in the resizing?
00:42:06Nico_PReading sector 3D
00:42:10Nico_Pload_config_buffer: header & checksum test ok
00:42:14Nico_PWe open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/Nicolas_albumart.wps'
00:42:15Nico_PFatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed)
00:42:15Nico_PXlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x62)!
00:42:15DBUGEnqueued KICK Nico_P
00:42:15Nico_P*** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7e98838 ***
00:42:34sharpeenzyme: you could try
00:42:48Massa_Hmm, I'm too lazy and use cygwin :)
00:43:02Nico_PMassa: i haven't got anything new from Paprica since the last thing i gave you
00:43:12Nico_Pand did you save that code ? i forgot to do so...
00:43:21Massa_(I have a SuSE Linux - but didn't manage to install the cross compilers)
00:43:30Massa_Yes I did save it.
00:43:38amiconnNico_P: use gdb and check the backtrace when it crashes
00:43:58Massa_I just wonder if Paprica wants to create a patch for the bitmap resizing code...
00:44:12Bgerwow, the manual is becoming very good ...
00:44:28Massa_Hi amiconn, do you have knowledge about the peakmeter?
00:44:59amiconna bit...
00:45:05Massa_At least your name is coming up when looking at the CVS history :D
00:45:15enzymethanks for your helo sharpe
00:45:23sharpeyou're welcome enzyme
00:45:37Massa_Did you notice, that the peakmeter has some (random?) pixel spots between left and right bar?
00:45:52midkaythey aren't random.
00:45:54midkaythey're scale.
00:45:59midkayi believe each represents 10db..
00:46:03Nico_Pamiconn: it seems to crash when applying the settings...
00:46:08midkayor 10% of the scale..
00:46:13amiconnMassa: They're not random, they're scale marks
00:46:13Nico_Phow can i reset them in the sim ?
00:46:34amiconnNico_P: Just delete sector3D.bin
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00:47:06Nico_Paaah now it works again
00:47:07enzymei was woundering did one find a patch for the file skipping with large bitrates
00:47:12Nico_Pthanks amiconn
00:48:36Massa_midkay: I used the function peak_meter_draw and also used the x and width parameter (it's not screen size) and the spots are outside x and (x+width).
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00:49:04midkayMassa, then they must assume full-LCD width..
00:49:13midkayyou could fix that.. :)
00:49:16Massa_midkay: they always use the whole screen width.
00:49:24midkayMassa, so, that's a bug.
00:49:47Massa_midkay: any idea were to look at?
00:50:09midkayfind where the scale is drawn. i think in peak_meter_draw or whatever. i was in that code last night..
00:50:11Massa_Are the spots the peak_meter_scale_value ?
00:51:08midkaynot sure.
00:51:38midkayprobably the only instances of "drawpixel" in the code, though..
00:52:21Massa_Yes, you're write there is a comment above "draw dots for scale marks" ;)
00:52:22sharpewow, that seems oddly logical.
00:52:25amiconnThe peakmeter needs some work anyway. Simplify code, make it more readable, implement a better fixed point logarithm and exponential function...
00:53:04Massa_amiconn: slow down a bit - I don't even understand the code atm....
00:53:23amiconnI had some ideas for that quite some months ago, but obviously I can't work on all parts of rockbox at the same time
00:53:44Zoide777oh but of course you can :D
00:53:47Zoide777just kidding....
00:53:57Massa_and of course you do already :D
00:54:02Bgernite ;)
00:54:06Massa_just kidding, too ;)
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00:55:22Zoide777Massa_: you forgot the other guy, amiconn_ (with the underscore). he's the one who does everything else
00:56:56Massa_Wow - two person, that means each one has 24 hours a day time for rockbox - that'll be enough :-p
00:58:27Massa_But it seems, I'm also a bit schizophrenic - and exist as "Massa" and "Massa_" ;)
00:58:47sharpeactually, generally schizophrenia isn't 'split personalities'
00:59:11CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:59:11*amiconn summons Bagder
00:59:11sharpecontrary to popular belief...
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01:00:25Massa_Yeah - sometimes there already multiple personalities - would really help for rockbox development :-P
01:00:56sharpei need to figure out... how i'm going to get this to work...
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01:03:12sharpe... i just realized something...
01:03:58sharpeand, it's going to make me sad and lonely the next week.
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01:04:56sharpeactually, it'll probably also be depressing saturday/sunday.
01:05:27sharpeand more like a personal problem.
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01:07:08Massa_So what? Don't let us die unsespectingly!
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01:08:37sharpeeh, it's okay. don't worry about it :D
01:09:00Mikachui don't know if this saying exists in english, but "if you say A, you have to say B"
01:09:13linuxstbamiconn: I don't speak German, but I was looking at your deutsch.lang commit - did you mean to write "Equalizer" in some places, and "Eualizer" in others in the voice strings?
01:09:28amiconnAhem, typo...
01:10:22Nico_PMassa: wps_data_preload_tags(), which is where the album art boolean is set, is called after all the wps_reset() calls
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01:10:45kkurbjunlinuxstb, what's the screenheight of the ipod video?
01:11:02linuxstbIf you mean pixels, it's 320x240
01:11:43Nico_Plinuxstb: have you had a look at my latest album art patch (v4.0), or at least read the comment i posted with it ?
01:12:08kkurbjunok, thanks, I'm adding back in all of prbooms high resolution support so when the ipod video works it will be actually using that screen space rather then just doubling some lines
01:12:20Massa_Nico_P: When I look at my logging I see first "we open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/mywps.wps'"
01:12:45Massa_Nico_P: and then I see the first wps_reset call with data pointer for main device
01:12:55 Part pfavr
01:13:06Massa_Nico_P: after that wps_data_preload_tags will be called (for main device)
01:13:23Nico_PMassa: opening the wps file happens just before resetting the wps
01:13:25linuxstbNico_P: Yes, I read the comment.
01:13:49Massa_Nico_P: after more loading of bitmaps and so on I see "We open the real file 'archo/.rockbox/wps/mywps.rwps'"
01:14:09Massa_Nico_P: and then another call to wps_reset - now with data pointer for the remote...
01:14:20***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:14:38Massa_Nico_P: ... but the rwps does (of course) not contain a '%C' tag ;)
01:15:17enzymesharpe another question, i got rockbox on good it works but when ever i turn off my ipod by pressing menu and select it turns off then i turns on agian
01:15:31sharpeturn it off by holding play
01:15:33amiconnZoide777: Could you please test lcd flip again? Same link as before, new rockbox.ipod...
01:15:33Nico_PMassa: ok i see what you mean and i've managed to reproduce :)
01:15:39sharpemenu+select is to restart :)
01:15:54Nico_Pi used the rockbox defualt rwps so it never got loaded
01:16:10Nico_Plinuxstb: what do you think about it ?
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01:16:38Massa_Nico_P: as far as I understand you added the load_album_art flag to playback.c because you have no direct access to the wps_data there - right?
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01:16:50Zoide777amiconn: ok
01:17:01Zoide777amiconn: just a sec
01:17:16sharpeblarr!! i still can't fix this.
01:17:43Mikachunu nununu, can't fix this. i told you homeboy, can't fix this
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01:17:58Massa_Isn't there any possibility to put that information into playbackc from wps?
01:18:04linuxstbNico_P: I think you gave up too easily :)
01:18:33Mikachuif you write IPOG_4G_PAD instead of IPOD_4G_PAD, it doesn't work
01:18:34Massa_linuxstb: LOL
01:18:43amiconnCassandra: are you around?
01:18:47enzymeany way to make the .rockbox file invisible
01:18:50sharpehmm... i want an ipog...
01:19:02Nico_Plinuxstb: maybe, but i'm going to have very little time soon, so i think it's just easier to wait for the new system
01:19:34Nico_Pand i just couldn't find what was wrong on my test patches
01:19:44sharpeenzyme, general settings->file view->show files->all
01:19:56Nico_Pmaybe if someone shows me my mistakes i'll be able to make some progress
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01:21:15sharpei need to fix the redeclaration error... but without including 'gwps.h' in 'plugin.h' my plugin doesn't work :D
01:21:45amiconnlinuxstb: Is there a reason why the confirmation button is Play and not Select on iPod?
01:21:56amiconnIs it just to conform with the UI string?
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01:22:13Mikachui think it's so you don't accidentally double press select
01:22:37Mikachuand if it wasn't why, that's a good reason to keep it on play
01:22:44amiconnWell, then iPod users are deemed extremely clumsy.
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01:23:05amiconnOn all other targets, the confirmation button is the same as the main selection button
01:23:28amiconn(Play on archos players/recorders, Right on Ondio, Select on H1x0, Navi on H300)
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01:24:04amiconnThe strings will soon be adustable for each target
01:24:13*amiconn prods Bagder again
01:24:27Zoide777amiconn: what should i test?
01:25:08amiconnAre there display shifts now in flip mode?
01:25:33linuxstbamiconn: Yes, it was both those reasons - to be consistent with the UI, and also because I think it's better to have confirmation of a dangerous action to be a different button to the one that brings up that action.
01:25:40Zoide777no, but there weren't last time either, right?
01:26:02amiconnI changed some things internally, and wanted to make sure it still works
01:26:16Zoide777ah, ok. everything seems fine
01:26:26amiconnIt would be great if you could test oscilloscope
01:26:54amiconnWhat I want to know is whether it draws correctly before it starts scrolling
01:27:13Mikachui don't think anyone answered this earlier, is it okay to add a semi-finished plugin to the patches tracker even if it isn't ready for inclusion?
01:27:15Zoide777upside down + inverted, or just normal?
01:27:23Zoide777well, i'll do both anyway :D
01:27:32amiconnBoth upside down and normal.
01:27:50amiconnInvert should always work
01:28:03amiconnIt's a simple function of the LCD controller
01:28:46Zoide777upside down works, as does normal
01:29:01Zoide777the only problem is that there are gaps in the playback, but that's always been a bug
01:29:10Zoide777or limitation/etc
01:29:36amiconnYes, playback can't keep up with higher bitrate mp3 if you also use the EQ, or do some other CPU-consuming stuff
01:29:56amiconnThe mp3 decoder needs more optimisation for the arm cpu
01:30:13amiconnWe need to prod preglow
01:30:17Zoide777yup... i'd definitely help out if i could, but i don't know how
01:30:21Zoide777ah, yes, preglow
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01:31:07amiconnWell, while I usually like to do low-level stuff and asm, I don't understand enough about audiocodecs in order to optimise them
01:31:12Mikachuif i do int foo[40][40], can i assume it is zeroed?
01:31:21amiconnBesides, I need to learn arm asm fisrt
01:31:37Mikachuhe told me you could do some optimizations without using arm
01:31:53linuxstbWas he talking in general or about libmad?
01:31:54amiconnYes, maybe, for the codecs
01:31:57Mikachunot sure
01:32:09*amiconn needs to learn arm asm for porting the grayscale lib
01:32:49amiconnZoide777: Btw, the 4-pixel shift was because I did a silly miscalculation. Our controller is a plain HD66753...
01:32:54Zoide777mikachu: or maybe he meant the display part? since i suppose that's always the thing: playback + display = gaps if any of the two are inefficient enough for the aggregate
01:33:06Mikachui think he meant codecs
01:33:42Zoide777amiconn: phew! at least there's no secret conspiracy of spec mislead-ery by apple
01:33:48Zoide777Mikachu: i see
01:35:42amiconnZoide777: One reason for implementing flip was to learn more about the lcd controller....
01:35:51amiconnI'll need this for porting the grayscale lib
01:36:26Mikachuin case anyone else wondered, the array is not zeroed automatically :)
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01:36:53amiconnI will probably need a tester in a few days. It's necessary to run a 'tuner' plugin to figure out the exact refresh frequency of the lcd
01:37:04Zoide777amiconn: the holy grail! the key to grayscale inclusion into the wonderful world of for-color plugins/games...
01:37:22*amiconn wants jpeg display on his mini
01:37:37*Zoide777 wants jpeg display on his 4g grayscale
01:37:44amiconnhehe :-)
01:38:07amiconnBetter jpeg display than ipl can do :-P
01:39:08linuxstbAre you planning on investigating the Apple firmware lcd issue?
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01:39:20Zoide777with grayscale lib in rockbox, ipl should reaaaally consider joining forces
01:39:23Zoide777imho of course
01:40:35amiconnlinuxstb: I have a suspicion. It seems the apple firmware uses a different mode of the lcd controller. If we set the proper mode, the apple firmware should no longer be mirrored
01:40:57amiconnZoide777: Btw, how does the apple firmware look on 4g if you start it via the rockbox loader?
01:41:10amiconnOnly mirrored horizontally, or also vertically?
01:41:18webguest16Hmm, I thought that my ipod was charging while it was playing and connected to usb charger. But it stopped playing a a certain time. When I checked in apple firmware the battery was completely empty.
01:41:59webguest16SO it doesn't seem to be charging when using rockbox :(
01:42:15Zoide777amiconn: i'm not sure if i had installed one of linuxstb's builds, where he had fixed the orientation
01:42:36amiconnlinuxstb: You did fix it?
01:42:52herz42webguest16: charging over usb in rockbox is limited to 100mA what can be less than the player consumes on playback
01:42:57linuxstbamiconn: I avoided the problem... I disabled the lcd_init (and writes) in the bootloader.
01:43:13amiconnSo Zoide777's loader doesn't display anything?
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01:43:40linuxstbNothing at all.
01:43:58amiconnHmm. Is that the version in the wiki?
01:44:01Zoide777i just see an apple and then rockbox comes up
01:44:10linuxstbamiconn: No, just on my own website.
01:44:14Zoide777or the ipod os if i hold Play
01:44:21Zoide777(no flipping or any other strange thing)
01:44:22linuxstbThe bootloaders on the wiki page are from CVS.
01:44:29amiconnOkay, so you have the print-nothing loader
01:45:09amiconnI would be interested how the apple firmware looks when started via the bootloader in the wiki
01:45:12Mikachulinuxstb: looks like you left an incorrect comment in sudoku
01:45:28linuxstbWhich one...?
01:45:29Mikachucase 0: /* Save state */ should be something else
01:45:49Mikachu playback_control(rb);
01:45:54webguest16herz42: is it proosble to increase that value
01:46:05linuxstbMikachu: Yes, thanks.
01:46:39Nico_PMassa: i solved the problem...
01:46:53herz42webguest16: we don't know the way to activate that highpower charging. maybe someone finds it sometime
01:47:06webguest16It's pretty essential to me and many persons I think that I can plug it in and let it play all day long
01:47:18Massa_Nico_P: I too :)
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01:47:34Nico_Phow did you do it ?
01:47:43Massa_Nico_P: but it's not very good - it's just a hack...
01:47:44Nico_Pi just removed the boolean in playback.c
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01:48:13Nico_Pi didn't find a way to prevent the rwps from resetting it to false
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01:48:31oboCould someone look at
01:48:33Massa_Nico_P: and how do you transfer the flag to playback.c?
01:48:33webguest16hope someone finds it :) How do you know there is a highpower charging mode?
01:48:45oboCould it be committed, or is it not wanted or post-Mayday?
01:48:59Massa_Nico_P: I did just a detection in wps_reset and only reset it for the main device...
01:49:16Nico_Pthat seems better
01:49:57herz42webguest16: there is some documentation for the charging ic that shows a highpower pin. so I assume that is somehow connected to the main cpu
01:50:01Massa_Nico_P: but it's much better to remove the additional flag itself - but I couldn't find a methode to transfer the data from wps_data structure to playback...
01:51:52herz42webguest16: there are some power adapters available (like most car adapters) that charge with 12V. With them the charging is faster and the ipod will run directly from mains -> can't drain the battery
01:51:54Nico_Pyes but even if playback.c could read wps_data, why wouldn't it read the one for the remote ? you see what i mean ?
01:53:05Nico_Pcould you show me just the detection part ?
01:53:13Massa_Nico_P: No, I don't see it. When the already existing flag wps_has_albumart inside the structure wps_data could be used, it would distinguish between remote and main (remote has it's own structure instance...)
01:55:01Massa_Nico_P: I added an additional parameter to wps_reset and used gwps->display->screen_type; if this type == SCREEN_MAIN then I reset the flag...
01:55:35Massa_Or is it possible to get the screen_type when you only have a wps_data structure?
01:55:38Nico_Pthat's much better than what i did
01:55:52Nico_Pi don't think so
01:56:11Massa_It's bad hack - I didn't want to add an additional parameter to wps_reset :(
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01:57:23Massa_How did you get rid of the flag itself?
01:58:22Nico_Pi removed the one from playback.c, so now get_metadata() will always look for an album art, even if the wps doesn't have the tag...
01:58:27*amiconn just found his asm optimised ata recording transfer loop that he thought was lost :-)
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01:59:40Massa_amiconn, do you know if it's possible to get the screen type if you only have a wps_data structure?
01:59:54Nico_PMassa: ok i see what you meant about it being dirty
02:00:06Nico_Psorry for being so slow, i'm really sleepy
02:01:09Massa_Nico_P: me too, I just wanted to finish it, make it clean and remove my debug output, put it on the patch tracker and then go to bed!
02:01:28Nico_Pi'm putting mine right now :)
02:01:45Massa_Nico_P: But now I think, I'll go directly and finish the patch tomorrow ;)
02:02:00Massa_I can't think anymore...
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02:02:35Massa_Maybe I find a solution tomorrow... or better: later this day :D
02:03:29Nico_Pnow i'm going to bed
02:03:51Massa_Good night! I'm going, too!
02:03:56sharpei think i've solved the problem i had
02:03:57Nico_Pgnight ;)
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02:09:07Zoide777i'm a bit surprised by the april fool's joke on the ipodlinux forums....
02:09:21Zoide777they basically wiped out all the sections (temporarily i assume)
02:10:33linuxstbI thought April fools jokes were meant to end at midday. Or is that just a British rule?
02:10:52sharpeit depends on the region...
02:10:57sharpecanada does that too
02:11:14Zoide777well, it's april 02 on the posts in the ipl forum
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02:13:09Zoide777i don't understand what's with the bird on the ipl homepage & forums
02:13:58realnick2It's a forum-sub-culture icon, thingy
02:14:06realnick2usually accompanied by the phrase "O RLY"
02:14:09Zoide777ah ok
02:14:17Zoide777and what do those letters mean?
02:14:17realnick2Pretty infamous by now
02:14:23realnick2Oh really?
02:14:46ScootScatya rly
02:14:53realnick2no wai!!!
02:14:54Zoide777ah i see
02:15:08ScootScatya wai!!
02:15:17realnick2(there are ya rly, no wai and ya wai owls as well)
02:15:21realnick2It's very, very silly
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02:20:47Zoide777i agree
02:21:10Mikachuthe JPEG_NEXT define in jpeg.c for ipods doesn't work...
02:21:35sharpehrm... well, the compiling error is solved, now to work on, getting it to work correctly now
02:21:57Mikachuonly very sporadically
02:22:54sharpei saw "chessclock.rock" as "cheesecloth.rock"
02:24:22sharpethere's a sequel to the garfield movie apparently.
02:25:10amiconnlinuxstb: I can now boot apple fw with a button press in the bootloader...
02:25:42MikachuO RELIABLY?
02:25:44Mikachusorry :)
02:25:49amiconnWell, as shaky as on the other iPods, I think
02:26:15amiconnYou have to press the button at The Right Time(tm) to make it work
02:26:31linuxstbYes, that 10ms window of opportunity...
02:26:44amiconn(and it's mirrored)
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02:29:31amiconnWas just a matter of changing an #ifdef - the mini 1g has a special button read while the mini 2g uses the opto_ stuff
02:29:56JdGordonwhen is the manual gonna be built automagically?
02:30:10realnick2it is
02:30:11amiconnBtw, regarding preglow's piezo work - I think the piezo shouldn't be hard-linked to the button driver.
02:30:29amiconnThe piezo should have its own driver, with the app deciding when to click
02:30:33JdGordonoh, ta
02:30:47JdGordonnearly 100pages! bloody hell...
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02:31:19BHSPitLappyman rockbox
02:31:27*amiconn needs to make a 4-gray rockbox logo for the mini lcd
02:31:50*Zoide777 agrees with everything amiconn says today
02:32:06muesli-get married ;)
02:32:21Zoide777but that's a bit of a contradiction
02:32:25Zoide777married people never agree get divorced ;)
02:32:48Zoide777i suppose
02:35:59sharpeadvil time
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02:41:18Zoide777amiconn: need any more tests? if not, i'll get going now
02:42:45*realnick2 just noticed something
02:43:03realnick2IPL has a "Recent SVN activity", Rockbox has "Recent CVS activity"
02:43:29realnick2Why not simply, "Recent development activity"? That'd make more sense to real people
02:43:56Zoide777question: does the grayscale lcd consume more power with inverse mode? (i.e. do black pixels draw more power than white ones?)
02:44:26Zoide777realnick2: no offense to the projects, but they don't seem very user-friendly
02:44:35Zoide777or rather, they are very developer-oriented
02:44:53realnick2IPL seems downright user-hostile at times
02:44:55JdGordonits all a plot to scare off uber-idiots..
02:44:58Zoide777as projects; as a product, i'd say at least rockbox is pretty user friendly
02:45:07Zoide777once it's on the player
02:45:24Zoide777installation is a bit too technical for the average ipod user, i'd say
02:45:41Zoide777yeah, ipl is kind of a scary place
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02:46:29Zoide777average forum thread: "umm, how do I do XYZ?" "wtf! RTFM u lus3r! this has been asked a million times before" etc
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02:47:37Zoide777strange: the debug info screen for the tagcache thread says "Current progress 100%", but the hard drive is still doing stuff and the icon is on
02:47:38sharpedon't forget "try using the search feature"
02:47:55ashridahi love it when forums do that
02:48:08ashridahand then you try to search for something, and their search page tells you it's "temporarily disabled"
02:48:12Zoide777sharpe: oh yes, that too. but sometimes that's too helpful of a reply, since it *is* helping the poster by giving a suggestion
02:49:23Zoide777ok, so no one thinks I'm lying.... this is the fourth thread down from the stickies in the "Installation from Windows" section of the IPL forum:
02:49:33sharpegah, the only way i'll get my plugin to work is if i have it a certain way... and if i do that, it breaks doom
02:49:56Zoide777wow, those guys are veritable assholes
02:50:12Zoide777instead of getting a sandbag they just tear forum newbies to pieces
02:50:13sharpethey seem so nice.
02:50:41sharpewhy don't they just close forum registration, so they don't have to bitch at people? :)
02:50:54realnick2That'd be suicide
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02:51:12realnick2eventually there'd only be one of them left, and he'd beat himself to death after a while
02:51:31Zoide777but then the only people left are the 1337 kr3w that knows how to find things or even better, knows them already :P
02:51:38sharpe"Now, shut the fuck up and search before asking.
02:51:38sharpe(sorry for bitching at you, but there is already to many people that asks questions like this)
02:51:55sharpewitty satire, i say.
02:52:42Zoide777the funny thing is that sharpe isn't even making that up: (third post)
02:52:47Mikachuare any of those actually involved in the ipl project?
02:52:52sharpeanyone have any suggestions to my dilemma? :D
02:53:19sharpenope... i would imagine they're 'expierence users'
02:53:43Zoide777Mikachu: i hope not; i also doubt it, since i can't imagine how they'd be able to work together to make the project work
02:54:00sharpeheh... nobody would get anything done.
02:54:16Mikachuit seems forums attract a certain kind of people
02:54:22Zoide777now to be fair to some of the cruel posters, it seems that some of the newbies are *extraordinarily* lost
02:55:19Zoide777and sometimes it's very sad to read... check out the last 4 posts on the link i pasted before
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02:55:51realnick2It's so very hard to respond to people who are lost to that degree
02:56:07muesli-JdGordon r u arround?
02:56:30Zoide777and there seem to be plenty of them on the ipl forums. sometimes i wonder if some of those are just ppl who are pretending to have questions and are just joking around / trolling
02:56:31JdGordoni r
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02:56:47JdGordonmuesli-: wassup?
02:57:00muesli-do you know when the race starts?
02:57:03*realnick2 hands JdGordon and muesli- a bucket of spare characters
02:57:07Zoide777OMG look at this thread, hahaha
02:57:19JdGordonmuesli-: the f1? about 2 isnt it?
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02:57:40muesli-dunno, its 3am up under ;)
02:58:13realnick2Zoide777: Jesus Christ on a pogostick.. I mean the first post is bad, but the responses aren't better...
02:58:52JdGordonmuesli-: ye, 2pm..
02:58:57Zoide777I mean, sorry to keep talking about the ipl forums so much, but it's just too funny. I think there must be a big group of people who just post over there for the hell of it to make a big joke out of the whole thing
02:59:04JdGordon3 hours
02:59:14sharpei've got... 8pm...
02:59:34muesli-in the us?
02:59:47muesli-ah si claro
02:59:47JdGordonhaha. they are doing the bmw Vs v8 Vs f1 race again :D
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03:00:11realnick2So, how many hours to the F1?
03:00:13Zoide777ooohhh.... they even threaten people: "yeah, and if you want an installer make one, read the rules dont be a jackass or a post whore and the rules say dont beg for new dont wanna end up like jordy now do you"
03:00:20JdGordonrealnick2: 3
03:01:33realnick2JdGordon: alright, thanks
03:03:17sharpeso far, like three hours spent of trying to fix my problem
03:03:22Zoide777hahaha... it seems the rockbox forums are getting a bit of the ipl flavor. the latest thread is called: "WTF is Rockbox?!?!?!?!"
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03:04:11sharpeyeah, but without the hateful replies
03:05:28realnick2It's a happy ending!
03:06:31Zoide777heh... I've noticed it usually comes down to Llorean giving very, very patient advice
03:06:49Zoide777he seems very dedicated
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03:07:33sharpeokay, i'm all out of ideas.
03:07:56Zoide777sharpe: compressed wps?
03:08:22sharpeno, the uncompressed wps plugin, *not* breaking doom's functionality to compile.
03:08:33Paul_The_NerdZoide777: I'm Llorean. :) Thanks.
03:09:23Zoide777Paul_The_Nerd: I didn't know that! sorry to "talk behind your back" hehe... but you're welcome, I really think your contributions to the forum are invaluable
03:09:52sharpethe only way the wpz plugin works, is if i add the neccessary function to the plugin api, and include 'gwps.h' in 'plugin.h', and when i do that, doom gives an error while compiling about the redefiniton of 'screens'
03:10:09Zoide777sharpe: sorry, can't help you with that
03:10:14Zoide777gotta go anyway
03:10:17Zoide777bye everyone
03:10:29Zoide777(unless amiconn has grayscale lib for me to test, hehe)
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03:10:39sharpeheh, Paul, any ideas? :)
03:10:44Mikachusharpe: well, you probably have a screens variable in both doom and gwps.h then
03:11:06sharpeyes, that's a given...
03:11:11Mikachuif you just want to get some test code going, copy the prototypes you need from gwps.h to plugin.h directly
03:11:28sharpeperfect time picked for someone to commit doom to cvs ;)
03:11:48sharpeit works fine when doom isn't compiled
03:11:56Paul_The_NerdOr you could look into how Doom is using screens, and see if they can be made friendly.
03:12:19sharpethey just use it as a pointer to them... as far as it seemed...
03:13:10sharpei was thinking it's probably easier to fix the doom's source, but then again it seemed as if people would be angry for it.
03:13:48sharpedoom's statement : "extern byte *screens[6];"
03:13:59Paul_The_NerdI would just fix doom's source.
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03:14:39Paul_The_NerdI mean, otherwise you're probably just putting off the same conflict arising in the future.
03:14:47sharpei think, changing the name to a different variable would work.
03:15:08sharpeand changing all the references to said variable correctly.
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03:17:22sharpei guess that means... about 34 changes.
03:19:28sharpeheh, that's nice.
03:19:38sharpeone of the lines i have to change is v_video.c:666
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03:27:43sharpei wonder if i'm registered in the forums...
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03:30:01sharpeguess what everyone
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03:32:12JdGordonyour mad!
03:33:29sharpenope, but i may be slightly, at least, not clinically, but nickelodeon's kid's choice awards is on
03:33:45JdGordonomg yay!!!!!!11!!1one!
03:33:49enzyme`any one know a good way of removing scratches on black ipods
03:34:00sharpei wanna see the ant bullly
03:34:15sharpeexcept, with two l's
03:35:10JdGordonhaha, im cleaning my room and ive gone from 0 reset button pusher thingy pins, to 3 :D
03:35:47sharpeso you just have... reset switches laying around?
03:36:03JdGordonno, the pin things u need to push the reset button
03:36:56sharpeis it odd that i like watching cartoons, that are deemed... for children?
03:37:21Mikachuenzyme: scratch it until it's completely white
03:39:08sharpeheh, hey Paul, it they both compile now.
03:39:48Paul_The_NerdSo, is it ready for the patch tracker?
03:40:50sharpeit may...
03:40:55sharpejust have to check if it works
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03:44:36sharpeoh... ear bleeding again, not good.
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03:46:45Paul_The_NerdYeah, that's generally a Very Bad Thing(tm)
03:47:21sharpeyeah, but it's really just a Little Cut(tm) on the outer ear thing.
03:48:36Mikachumaybe an imp is throwing fireballs at you from the side
03:49:03sharpeyeah, the doom source code is getting it's revenge on me from changing the name of the screens variable
03:49:08MikachuI Forgot To Write "(tm)" (tm)
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03:49:38Paul_The_NerdI had assumed the ear bleeding was in relation to the coding
03:49:52saixhey how do you install rockbox on the iaudio x5?
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03:51:18Paul_The_Nerdsaix: then extract a CVS or Daily build into the root of your player
03:52:17saixthank you very much
03:53:16sharpeso friendly :D
03:54:11Paul_The_NerdIs it sad that I'm at the point where someone saying "Thanks" in any form surprises me now?
03:55:29*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
03:55:38*JdGordon cackles crazily...
03:55:53Paul_The_NerdI hate it when I'm helping them in one thread, and they say "Okay, new question" and, while I'm answering that new question, they go ahead and start a new thread for that question *anyway*
03:58:02saixDoes anyone know if rockbox drains the battery more? especially like having a WPS with album art?
03:58:26Paul_The_Nerdsaix: At the moment I hear it definitely drains more battery on X5. Also, Album Art isn't a feature of Rockbox yet.
03:59:11saixPaul, this wps shows album art
03:59:27Paul_The_NerdThats using a modified build
03:59:29JdGordonalbum art isnt part of the oficial builds yet.. but it exsists..
03:59:30sharpeit uses a patch
03:59:37Paul_The_NerdAs I said, it's not a feature of Rockbox.
03:59:48sharpeoffically :)
03:59:55saixic, thanks, plus I think album art would look goofy on the tiny x5 screen
04:00:54sharpei made a program to handle the installation of rockbox to ipods...
04:00:58sharpea long time ago.
04:04:09saixPaul, sorry for the dumb questions but on the site it dosent tell me exactly where to put the folder, do i just paste it in the firmware?
04:05:27sharpenickelodeon's kid's coice awards just reminded me that i don't like rap much...
04:05:45saixrap sucks, hip-hop is much better
04:05:47Paul_The_Nerdsaix: Which folder?
04:06:07Mikachuthere's good rap and bad rap, like with any genre, but with rap there is so much more bad :)
04:06:29saixwhen I extracted the daily build it gave me a .rockbox folder and a rockbox.iaudio file
04:06:43Paul_The_NerdBoth rockbox.iaudio and the .rockbox folder go in the root of the drive
04:06:54Paul_The_NerdSo, F:\rockbox.iaudio and F:\.rockbox\
04:06:59Paul_The_NerdWhere F is whatever drive your iAudio is
04:07:08sharpeahah, i think someone knocked over a cameraman in the crowd :)
04:07:11JdGordonwhatever happened to putting the rockbox.* file into the .rockbox folder?
04:07:28saixalright thx a ton again paul, will try it out now
04:07:35Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: It works, but the build script doesn't do it by default yet. They want to be nearly 100% sure everyone's using bootloaders that support it
04:07:44sharpeor an least, knocked his camera out of his hands...
04:07:49JdGordongrr... ok
04:08:20Paul_The_NerdYeah, I set up a build script to extract it after building, move the rockbox.ipod (or .iriver) into the .rockbox folder for me, so I just copy that over. :)
04:11:25sharpethe singer from greenday just said 'stick it to the man!' to the audience...
04:11:47Paul_The_Nerdof what, 12 year olds?
04:12:02sharpeabout that, yeah
04:12:24saixmaybe he should tell him that nickoloden shows blues clues and dora the explorer and not Salute Your shorts or Rocko's Modern Life anymore
04:12:39sharpethat's nick jr
04:12:50sharpetrust me. 'cause i know.
04:13:43sharpei think after i get this plugin working and everything...
04:13:54sharpemaybe i should start work on the 6502 cpu emulator? :)
04:14:17saixgroar I need help with my x5 paul :( I loaded up my x5 and I get some weird black and white menu that is whack
04:14:25saixhow do you install the wps?
04:16:12JdGordonsaix: goto settings > display > browse wps
04:16:16JdGordonand choose the one u want
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04:17:30Paul_The_Nerdsaix: The black and white menu is rockbox. It's a file tree browser by default. WPS is a While Playing Screen, so it *only* displays while music is playing
04:17:33saixI dont evne have a settings
04:17:39saixmy x5 looks like its in dos mode or something ~_~
04:18:11sharpeyeah, but you can tell your friends your x5 has dos on it now :)
04:18:32saix:/ I hope that was a joke cuz i dont have any friends
04:19:19saixPaul, are you sure I wasen't suppose to put the folder and file inside of the system folder?
04:19:46MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: shouldn't the whack menu be rockbox_blue?
04:20:29Paul_The_Nerdsaix: If you're *in* Rockbox now, why would you think you've done it wrong?
04:20:49Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I've found many people think Black and Rockbox Blue is Black and White.
04:21:04saixwell I know for a fact it updated the firmware, to the basic rockbox thing, but I dont think I have the current x5 build
04:21:07saixthe latest
04:21:14Paul_The_NerdWhy do you say that?
04:21:19saixor is this how it looks without a wps?
04:21:28saixbecause it looks horrible and unfunctionable
04:21:32Paul_The_NerdA WPS is a WHILE PLAYING SCREEN. I already said this. It only shows while playing.
04:21:47Paul_The_NerdI also already said that rockbox is a text based directory browser by default, and that's how it's supposed to look.
04:21:53*Mikachu takes two steps away from Paul_The_Nerd
04:22:06Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Sorry, not a fan of repeating the exact same thing.
04:22:25saixbut I cant even get to adjust my equalizer or anything, do I have to do that all in a config?
04:22:28Mikachui know, i feel the same way :), but your inhuman calmness scared me
04:22:38Paul_The_Nerdsaix: One of the buttons on the X5 should take you into the menu.
04:23:13saixyea you hold the joystick, but when I do that it goes to the text junx and asks me to adjust or delete playlists
04:23:20sharpemake clean; make veryclean; make mrclean; make sterile...
04:23:31Mikachumrclean? what about mrsclean?
04:23:37sharpedidn't you hear?
04:23:47sharpethey were divorced and she took on her maiden name again.
04:23:56Mikachuoh, how sad :(
04:24:17Paul_The_Nerdsaix: That's not the right menu.
04:24:18sharpeshe said they never had any time for each other, Mr. Clean was always working...
04:24:42Paul_The_Nerdsaix: Also, it's all going to be text, so get used to it.
04:25:07sharpeno pretty pictures
04:25:22Mikachui think you can make it pretty pretty with a wellselected backdrop
04:25:28saixall im saying is i cant even adjust the settings
04:25:56Paul_The_Nerdsaix: And all I'm saying is that you haven't tapped the right button to get into the menu
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04:26:17Paul_The_Nerdsaix: I unfortunately don't have an X5, so I can't tell you what button it is, but you should have to tap, not hold, a button, and it'll bring up a menu
04:26:39Paul_The_NerdYou must be at the File System view to bring up this menu
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04:27:17saixgot it ~_~ who would think holding record would b it
04:27:20KyomiHey.. all of those themes are necessary for rockbox to run right? I can delete the ones I never ues... correct?
04:27:37Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Yeah, you can delete any themes you don't want.
04:28:28Paul_The_Nerdsaix: Anyway, Rockbox is geared toward functionality, not prettiness. It does vastly more than most (all) stock firmwares, so saying "Yeah, but it's not pretty" is kinda a losing argument.
04:29:34*Kyomi agrees with Paul_The_Nerd
04:29:41KyomiI actually like it better this way
04:29:44Paul_The_NerdI do too
04:29:49KyomiJust had to figure out themes :)
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04:29:58KyomiBecause I want it pretty while it's playing music :)
04:30:24KyomiAnd why do I have 8 tagcache files?
04:30:41ChristophMexANy body knows how to MAke Work DOOM in 5g ipod Using Rockbox_
04:30:47Paul_The_NerdI'm not really sure, but tagcache seems to create many files
04:30:48KyomiIt's like it copied itself 7 times.. then made an index
04:30:53MikachuChristophMex: yes, find the bug and fix it
04:30:53Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: It doesn't
04:31:04ChristophMexI foun it
04:31:26KyomiChristophMex: 1) Sell the ipod on eBay 2) Use what little money you got from that and buy an iRiver
04:31:32ChristophMexwere i found how to fix it_
04:31:40ChristophMexWhats is a bug_
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04:31:49Mikachui should learn to shut up
04:31:51Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: It's open source. If you're asking "What is a bug" you probably can't fix this one.
04:32:05KyomiWhy is there a _ after every sentance of yours ChristophMex
04:32:20ChristophMexI allready install linux
04:32:36ChristophMexipodlinux ina 5g
04:32:59ChristophMexi think i can fix the bug
04:33:10KyomiI repeat.. to get rockdoom working
04:33:13Kyomi1) Sell the ipod on eBay 2) Use what little money you got from that and buy an iRiver
04:33:28Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: Do you have any programming skills? Do you know C? Do you understand what I mean by "data alignment error?"
04:33:38ChristophMexbut i don[t want to sell it
04:33:38KyomiThen you wont have to worry about what mode you're in
04:33:50KyomiAlright.. I tried... He's too far gone
04:33:58KyomiLooks like I'll have to kill him >)
04:34:16ChristophMexNo plis
04:34:19KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, barely, no
04:34:28ChristophMexI only want to see doom in my 5G
04:34:30ChristophMexjust taht
04:34:40ChristophMexjust that
04:34:42KyomiIsn't C like.. EXTREMELY picky on how you align the code?
04:34:48ChristophMexSorry about being so rude
04:34:57KyomiI knew there was some language that did that
04:35:01KyomiBut I couldn't remember which
04:35:05Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: It *doesn't work.* Someone with programming skills needs to figure out where the problem is in the source code and fix it. It is most likely a data alignment error.
04:35:23Paul_The_NerdKyomi: It has nothing to do with the language. It's the ARM architecture that requires the data to line up with certain boundaries.
04:36:26Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: Nobody has worked out what is causing the problem. So I can't tell you how to fix it. Nobody can. The misunderstanding seems to be that you think someone here knows what to fix. We know how. It needs to be analyzed, tested, and rewritten in a way that works. But we don't know what exact part of the code needs rewritten.
04:36:48ChristophMexI just saw a Bug fix for colour and graphics for doom in the Rockbox page
04:36:49KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: I think this is a problem with the WAD file.. but on one custom WAD I found... The mobs.. never attack you
04:36:56KyomiThey notice you an everything
04:36:59KyomiThey just dont attack you XD
04:37:15ChristophMexbut i don[t know how to install it ... are files with .c and .h at the end
04:37:43MikachuChristophMex: there are plenty of docs on the site! feel free to read them, that's why they were written.
04:37:49ChristophMexANy body can help me please
04:37:53Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: Search the site for information about how to Compile.
04:38:16KyomiWhy is there a patch for color and graphics?
04:38:23KyomiThey are fine right now o.O
04:38:27ChristophMexI dont knoe
04:38:31ChristophMexsee it yor self
04:38:43KyomiThere's just slight pauses everyonce in awhile... and the midi music needs to get working :P
04:38:46Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Those are probably really old ones that never got removed. As for the Doom wad issue, that's strange. I'm inclined to believe there's a dehacked patch invovled?
04:39:04KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: Most likely
04:39:27ChristophMexI have a Wild Guess that My 5G works with the fix
04:39:39Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: When did you get the fix?
04:39:56KyomiI have this *HUGE* book called "Alchemy" that tells you how to make maps in Doom I/II, Heretic and Hexen in EXCRUTIATING detail :)
04:40:05KyomiAnd I remember theres a way to do that
04:40:11ChristophMexto day so it on the page
04:40:18KyomiYou can make areas where they "see" you but dont attack
04:40:20Paul_The_NerdKyomi: I have a program called WadEd that makes it point and click. That + Dehacked makes everything rather simple.
04:40:40Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: If you're talking about the front page, that's not a patch. That's updates to the program
04:41:00Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: If you download the newest CVS build, that's included.
04:41:36KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: That book came with a CD of like.. LOADS of editing stuff
04:41:48KyomiAlthough.. I can't get WadEd to work in XP :(
04:41:53ChristophMexReinstall rockbox"|}[[['']'.\',][,]>{>{)]0-]0=-
04:42:01Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Mostly overkill. Doom requires surprisingly little. WadEd was my favorite, but I haven't edited doom in probably a decade
04:42:13KyomiAnd it has a habit of... crashing constantly
04:42:16Mikachui still have 4 wads i made 10 years ago on a cd somewhere
04:42:22KyomiEven when I used it in DOSBox
04:42:27Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: I don't know what all that gibberish was, but reinstalling Rockbox is as simple as extracting a new .zip onto the unit. You don't have to redo the bootloader every time
04:42:51KyomiDoes the bootloader ever get updated? Or is it in "final"?
04:43:36ChristophMexI can t see well
04:43:36Paul_The_NerdKyomi: It does from time to time, but it's at a point now where it's not likely to for a while
04:43:42ChristophMexbut nice cuestion
04:43:48sharpethis is really odd...
04:44:14ChristophMexit s ok
04:44:23ChristophMexI will do it PAul
04:44:31ChristophMexMy second name is paul too
04:45:02Paul_The_NerdKyomi: For example there have been a total of 6 bootloader versions for the iRiver H1x0 series.
04:45:21Mikachuand there's a patch for the ipod loader that lets you reboot to apple more easily
04:45:25sharpei bet it's impossible to guess my real name from my email :)
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04:46:22KyomiHoly crap
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04:46:40Kyomisharpe: I didn't know MindSpring was still in business
04:47:13sharpewhy tell me that?
04:47:36sharpeactually, it's roadrunner/earthlink, not sure how that works out to mindspring
04:47:53sharpetime warner i mean
04:48:51Mikachuit's especially hard if you don't know your email
04:48:59JdGordonany opeth fans here?
04:49:04sharpemattbridge at
04:49:20ChristophMexHEy PAul this means the reboot? "Update adds prboom's high resolution support,"
04:49:25*Kyomi sends you gigs of porn email
04:49:27Mikachuhm, are you matt bridge? or possibly matt b ridge?
04:49:50sharpematt bridge
04:49:52KyomiNah... He's Mattbrid ge
04:50:07sharpeaccording to google, i'm a doctor with a phd in golf...
04:50:22KyomiI didn't know you could get a phd in gold
04:50:22Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: The reboot? I don't understand what you meen.
04:50:31KyomiReBoot I like ^^
04:50:57 Quit nudel ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.")
04:50:59Paul_The_NerdI used to love the show Reboot.
04:51:28sharpeoh, i remember that show
04:51:29ChristophMexOk i wil lern to do it and do it
04:51:45Paul_The_NerdI'm confused.
04:52:02MikachuChristophMex: have you understood the fact that doom doesn't work on ipods?
04:52:31ChristophMexNot well... i saw pics workin in pods
04:52:41Mikachuthey weren't of rockbox
04:52:46sharpethat's from ipodlinux
04:52:59KyomiAccording to google I'm a film editor
04:53:03Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: it worked in the past. It is broken now. It will be fixed eventually, but nobody knows what needs fixing yet.
04:53:10MikachuKyomi: kyomi or your real name?
04:53:18KyomiReal name
04:53:27Paul_The_NerdMikachu: they may have been of Rockbox. It worked on iPod in the past on Rockbox.
04:53:39Mikachuah right
04:53:45Mikachui think i was in school that hour
04:53:55sharpefrom google, i have a phd and bsc in sport and exercise sciences.
04:54:10Paul_The_NerdMikachu: It was at *least* 3 hours before he released the prboom version and broke it again. I think.
04:54:16Mikachui'm a hockey player and systems engineer
04:54:21MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: oh okay
04:54:25Paul_The_NerdI'm an expert on the Titanic, apparently
04:54:28Mikachuthen i have no excuse
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04:54:40Paul_The_NerdThough, the second google entry is actually me!
04:54:46sharpethere is also a bridge called, "Matt's Bridge"
04:55:19sharpethere was a google entry for me, which was a project i had started on
04:55:29Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Actually, somewhere on my computer lurks the source for a working iPod version of Doom, I suspect. But it didn't fit in the plugin buffer anyway.
04:55:30sharpei never actually did anything with it.
04:55:33MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: is the nerd your real last name?
04:55:44MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: my plugin buffer is 26 MB :)
04:55:45sharpeit's Paul T. Nerd
04:55:46Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Ah, if only.
04:55:46ChristophMexGOd save the queen
04:55:52MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: but i can do without doom for a while
04:56:00Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Nano I take it?
04:56:35ChristophMexIt is possible to see videos in Rockbox 5g ipod?
04:56:47sharpenot as of yet
04:57:01sharpeyou can still boot into the apple firmware to do so.
04:57:32ChristophMexTheres any channel for ipodlinux?
04:57:33*Mikachu gives ChristophMex a and e keys
04:57:40Mikachuoh, you found them already, nm
04:57:41Paul_The_NerdChristophMex: #ipodlinux
04:57:43KyomiHeyyyyyy y^^
04:57:51KyomiIt's Kyomi XD :D
04:57:58ChristophMex:P thnks
04:58:03ChristophMexCheers mate
04:58:12KyomiI'm a place in India
04:58:12MikachuKyomi: should two successive smilesy be taken as an animation?
04:58:24Paul_The_NerdClearly she has two faces
04:58:28KyomiJust think of the first one.. then the second :)
04:58:29Mikachuor a superposition of their emotional states?
04:59:27KyomiCute... but not me :P
04:59:41ChristophMexThe channel ipodlinux is blocked
04:59:53ChristophMexany body can invite me there pliz?
05:00:11Paul_The_NerdI just successfully joined and left #ipodlinux. Have you perhaps been banned?
05:00:13ChristophMexif it is pssible of course
05:00:28Mikachui suspect the rb web irc only allows this channel
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05:00:43ChristophMexin fact .. ia can t be cuz ill never been there
05:01:19ChristophMexNice group
05:01:30KyomiMikachu: See? My name is pretty... it can be used with ANYTHING :D
05:01:48ChristophMexwhats the name of this irc server?
05:01:52*Paul_The_Nerd 's real name is very easy to figure out with a few seconds of though.
05:02:00MikachuKyomi: i don't like this one :)
05:02:02Paul_The_NerdI thought it was now...
05:02:11sharpeprobably both would work
05:02:16ChristophMexMExican police
05:02:20Paul_The_NerdKyomi: No, my full real name. It's plastered all over the place, and I give out clues to it pretty often.
05:02:20ChristophMexhaha :P
05:02:23KyomiMikachu haha
05:02:42KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: still works
05:02:48sharpewhen was your most recent cvs commit? :)
05:02:48KyomiThats what I logged into
05:03:20Mikachui have figured it out, but i cheated with google
05:03:52ChristophMexBye tke cear all... and good luck
05:04:18Paul_The_NerdKyomi: I remember whatever I used to use stopped working for a while because they were getting attacks
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05:04:31Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I don't have CVS access
05:05:32sharpeeh, if you did, it'd be a pretty good hint...
05:05:38Paul_The_NerdThere's an IRCNicks list at full of people who are okay with their real name being known. :)
05:05:45Paul_The_NerdMany people can be looked up there.
05:06:07sharpewhich reminds me, i should add myself there
05:06:46KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: I'm not because I'm paranoid.... Which is why I dont join the wiki since I HAVE TO use my real name
05:07:44sharpepaul lounden! ahah!
05:07:47Paul_The_NerdI dunno. I feel like if I'm contributing to this at all, I should be doing it as *me*
05:08:02Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Louden, but close enough. Did I somehow mistype it there?
05:08:16sharpeno, but i think i may be dyslexic.
05:08:27sharpeit's happened seemingly before
05:08:45Mikachuoh, you can say both dyslexic and dyslectic, i was about to correct you :)
05:10:29sharpeand, everything seems to be okay between prboom and my plugin...
05:11:01Mikachuis your plugin faster than normal loading?
05:11:03KyomiWhat is prboom?
05:11:13Mikachua port of doom
05:11:26Mikachulike doomsday, zdoom, boom, and others
05:11:31sharpeMikachu: you mean, starting the plugin, or what the plugin does?
05:11:42KyomiSoo ummm
05:11:44Mikachui mean loading a wps
05:11:45KyomiHow cam I can
05:11:49Kyomican't play it?
05:11:53KyomiIt just loads it
05:12:00KyomiAnd goes into the original game
05:12:02sharpe:D nah, it extracts it, and loads it.
05:12:04Mikachuyou mean the wad file?
05:12:14Paul_The_NerdKyomi: prboom is really "Doom + extra features like translucency"
05:12:16Mikachui guess it's just some stuff prboom uses
05:12:27sharpeand it also removes previous packaged wpses in the temp directory
05:12:31Paul_The_NerdYeah, the .wad has tables and stuff embedded, from what I understand
05:12:40Mikachuprboom is the name of the program, and prboom.wad is just a helper file
05:13:27Mikachusharpe: okay, heh
05:13:35sharpeit seems like there wouldn't be any conflict between a plugin that handles packaged wpses, and doom. but there is, or rather, was.
05:13:57Mikachuyou could argue that having a global variable called screens in gwps is a bit stupid
05:14:13Mikachuit should have a namespace prefix
05:14:18sharpewell, having it in doom's source is kind of stupid too...
05:14:21KyomiWheres prboom at?
05:14:23***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:14:40Mikachui think rockbox' doom is a port of prboom
05:14:49Mikachuso it's what you're using
05:15:25KyomiOhhhh cool :D
05:16:08Mikachugot to love the variable names
05:16:08sharpewhat should my flyspray login be... ?
05:16:12Mikachuam_map.c: static int fuck = 0;
05:16:58KyomiThats... awesome
05:17:08KyomiIt's a new meaning of "vulgar code" :P
05:17:17sharpethe kind of funny thing, while i was changing doom's source to solve the problem, i had to edit the line number 666 in one of the files.
05:17:18Mikachuyou should see how many there are in linux :)
05:17:48Mikachuwell, only in comments there, i'm pretty sure
05:17:56Jungti1234hi all
05:18:08Mikachuanyong haseyo
05:18:29Mikachuheh, i only know that one :)
05:18:40Jungti1234bangapsupnida = nice to meet you
05:19:14Mikachuit sounds like something someone in new york could say
05:20:24KyomiBanga! sup nigga ;)
05:20:32Mikachuexactly :)
05:20:36KyomiWell.. at least thats what it LOOKS like :P
05:20:38Jungti1234haha Banga? :D
05:20:51KyomiYeah... Emeril got a bit gay there ;)
05:21:11Jungti1234gay? ;;
05:22:07Jungti1234ban gap seup ni da
05:22:27*Kyomi thinks Jungti1234 COMPLETLY missed that joke ;P
05:22:41KyomiI spelled that wrong didn't I?
05:22:55KyomiI think it's supposed to be completely
05:22:56sharpewell... time to make a patch...
05:23:07KyomiBut it just looks like too many e's
05:23:13MikachuJungti1234: does korean sound a bit like japanese?
05:23:46Jungti1234Kyomi: I don't speak well English.
05:23:50Mikachuthen i guess i have a pretty good idea how it sounds
05:23:57Mikachudo you speak japanese? (mine isn't very good)
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05:24:04Jungti1234a little.
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05:24:50KyomiI speak some...
05:24:53KyomiLearning more though
05:25:06Jungti1234Kyomi, are you japanese?
05:25:14KyomiSadly, no ;_;
05:25:24Mikachudon't be sad, they are crazy :P
05:26:11KyomiThey have like.. PERFECT hair
05:26:18KyomiThey are small and cute ^^
05:26:22KyomiI love their eyes
05:26:32KyomiThe langauge is sooooo pretty
05:26:38KyomiSo is the country
05:26:44KyomiWell.. parts of it :)
05:27:24Jungti1234Japanese was ugly.
05:27:48Jungti1234If they are pretty or nice, it's not Japanese.
05:27:59Kyominew experimental build turned it upside down XD
05:28:40KyomiHmmm.. my battery seems to die...quickly
05:28:42MikachuJungti1234: the people or the language?
05:29:24KyomiBut but...
05:29:34KyomiHayashibara Megumi is pretty....
05:29:40Jungti1234They aren't the single nation.
05:29:47KyomiAnd she is japanese :P{
05:29:59Jungti1234There are many child of mixed races.
05:30:18KyomiYou just dont wanna be wrong :P
05:30:36Jungti1234I had been in Japan.
05:30:52Jungti1234They were ugly.
05:31:03Jungti1234It's actuality.
05:31:07MikachuKyomi: i guess i've heard her as haruka in love hina then
05:31:10KyomiYou were in the ugly part :P
05:31:19KyomiMikachu: <3'ed her in Slayers ^^
05:31:32Jungti1234Hayashibara Megumi is...
05:31:47Mikachuand i'm not sure who they mean by "Magician" in cardcaptor sakura :)
05:31:58KyomiAnd then found out that shes Tira in Bakuretsu Hunters... and bought that entire series
05:32:05KyomiAnd Lost Universe
05:32:05Paul_The_NerdBe back later.
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05:32:08Jungti1234sorry, but she may not be Japanese.
05:32:14KyomiAnd I believe El Hazard too...
05:32:15Mikachuwhat is this word you use, "bought"?
05:32:18JdGordonok, fuck.. i tihnk my hdd on the h300 is dying.. it just stopped playing during a song (same place as it stopped a wile ago :'( )
05:32:34KyomiMikachu: It's what mommies and daddies did before the internet :P
05:32:54Mikachuoh okay, i only got a C in history
05:33:14KyomiI buy stuff I love
05:33:20KyomiAnd "buy" the rest :P
05:33:34scottder/win 3
05:33:42Mikachu/lose 5
05:33:55Kyomi-2 :D
05:34:04*Kyomi beats all of you
05:34:21Jungti1234Kyomi: Real Japanese is similar with monkey.
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05:34:50scottderJdGordon: thats why I went flash....tired of HDs dying
05:34:56scottderand I wasn't hard on my players at all
05:35:19JdGordonye, but 4gb just isnt enough for me at all...
05:35:35Mikachuyou can have many!
05:35:40Jungti1234Pika, Pika!
05:35:51JdGordoni have unfortunatly dropped my h300 quite a few times accidently
05:36:01JdGordonalmost never when its on tho which is a bit better..
05:36:05scottderJdGordon: was worth the tradeoff for me
05:36:16scottderespecially now that I can play Q4 vorbis on my Nano :)
05:36:25scottder4Gb holds quite a bit at that bitrate
05:36:43Mikachui use q3 (2gb nano)
05:36:56Jungti1234I use Q10 :O
05:37:01*scottder get's out anti-Pokemon spray
05:37:03JdGordonanyway, trying the song again.. hopefully it wont crash.. but i doubt it
05:37:10Mikachuscottder: GOTTA CATCH EM ALL NANANANA
05:37:21scottderJungti1234: if I feel the nead to go that far I just do FLAC :)
05:37:23*Kyomi sells all of the iPods on eBay and can only afford the dollar menu at mcdonalds
05:37:45KyomiMy midi files dont play :(
05:37:50KyomiWell.. technically
05:37:52KyomiThey do play
05:37:59KyomiBut there isn't any sound/progress bar
05:38:02JdGordonhehe i either ffwd'd too far into the song and skipped the bad bit, or its working again :D
05:38:19Jungti1234what is 'trigger'?
05:38:20scottderKyomi: yeah you'll never know when the annoy beeps will end
05:38:33MikachuJungti1234: verb or noun?
05:38:42Jungti1234don't know.
05:38:49JdGordonJungti1234: trigger is a fucking awesong song by "in flames" - a swedish death metal band :D
05:38:54Jungti1234in recoding
05:39:04Mikachuoh, don't know about recoding
05:39:11Mikachusome threshold i'd guess
05:39:43Mikachuit's also the part of a gun you pull to shoot
05:40:02Jungti1234Voice Detect?
05:40:07sharpeindexing the wpz is quick... :)
05:40:11scottderJdGordon: bad encode? re-rip (if you own it) :)
05:40:27MikachuJungti1234: you lost me now
05:41:19Jungti1234I know Trigger in gun.
05:42:04MikachuJungti1234: how do you say good night?
05:43:25Jungti1234joun bam deseyo.
05:43:34Jungti1234annyonghi jumuseyo
05:44:05Mikachueither is fine?
05:44:25Jungti1234'nae ggum gguer' hehehe
05:44:41Jungti1234= Have my dream
05:45:27Mikachui think the middle one is easiest to remember, it sounds like the hello one
05:45:56Jungti1234annyonghi jumuseyo
05:46:13Jungti1234nae ggum gguer = I'll be in your dream
05:46:24Mikachucan you say annyonghi haseyo too, or is there no "hi"?
05:46:42Jungti1234annyong haseyo = hello
05:46:53Mikachuah, annyonghi kaseyo is bye
05:46:53Kyomiage aggaweses ggauwbga = probably something in whatever language that is
05:47:02Jungti1234Mikachu: yes
05:47:11Jungti1234Kyomi, hahahahaha
05:47:14Kyomilmao Mikachu: that looks like "annoying hi"
05:47:39KyomiACK! Starcraft! *hides*
05:47:54sharpethat's what we can do!!
05:48:05sharpecreate a starcraft type game for rockbox!
05:48:23Kyomisharpe: Or just port starcraft XD
05:48:32sharpeit no open source
05:48:42Mikachuisn't there a freecraft?
05:48:46KyomiWe dont have to tell THEM that :P
05:48:48Jungti1234Laugh so.
05:48:51sharpethat was for warcraft
05:48:56sharpeor, warcraft II
05:49:02sharpebut it was shut down
05:49:04sharpeby blizzard
05:49:12KyomiWarcraft III: Frozen Ass
05:49:23KyomiOh..wait.. I think thats supposed to be Throne XD
05:49:32Mikachuyou think?
05:49:57Jungti1234Frozen Ass? :)
05:51:14Jungti1234It something lacking...
05:52:01sharpewell... i made the patch for the wpz plugin
05:52:16Jungti1234what is wpz? wps?
05:52:26sharpepackaged wps
05:52:47Jungti1234what's that..
05:53:00sharpethe wps and all bitmaps are stored in one file...
05:53:02KyomiYeah... that stratagus looks nice
05:53:08KyomiBut that text gets on my nerves
05:53:14KyomiIt looks like AOL speak
05:53:15sharpewhen it's executed, it extracts it to a directory and applys the wps
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05:53:39Jungti1234what is trigger.... Voice Detect?
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06:02:48dave_Owhere do you guys get your music from
06:02:59sharpethe store
06:03:08Mikachuthe internet (tm)
06:03:21sharpeShady Dealer(tm)
06:03:26dave_Owhats gileguri
06:03:57KyomiI completely missed that conversation
06:04:00sharpepaul, the plugin be finished.
06:04:09Jungti1234fileguri is p2p :)
06:04:40dave_Ocan you get fullalbums off it
06:05:18KyomiuTorrent :P
06:06:05KyomiEasy to install, Easy to hide ;)
06:06:13sharpei've got it on my usb drive
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06:06:45KyomiIsn't it just lovely?
06:06:53KyomiI probably should get the CoF discography again
06:07:08KyomiI kinda... over wrote my good versions with live ones
06:07:17Jungti1234what's meaning of 'codec failure'?
06:07:18KyomiAnd that makes me a sad panda
06:07:20sharpemm, torrent mishaps.
06:07:26KyomiJungti1234: errr... what it just says?
06:07:27Mikachuoh no! not a sad panda :(
06:07:30sharpeyou should update your codes
06:08:30sharpei've encountered it a few times myself while working on the plugin.
06:08:49sharpethat i'm done with...
06:09:02sharpei make less sense as i stay awake
06:09:03Paul_The_NerdThat you should put on the tracker then
06:09:18sharpeshould i put the doom screens fix too?
06:09:27Paul_The_NerdI would say so, since your patch requires it
06:09:36sharpeheh, two seperate files...
06:10:19sharpeand i need to update the cvs, and redo the replacement thing with the doom source
06:10:39sharpeas i kind of screwed it up...
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06:12:07Jungti1234hmmm hey
06:12:22Jungti1234english.lang is strange.
06:12:38sharpethat's like saying the english language is strange.
06:13:01Jungti1234desc: in sound_settings
06:13:06Jungti1234desc: in sound settings
06:13:15dave_Oi got some japanese albums any way to get rockbox to read the japanese
06:13:29sharpeit may display the characters.
06:13:31Jungti1234desc: in the main menu
06:13:33Jungti1234desc: in the main menu
06:14:57Jungti1234Is it mistake?
06:16:44KyomiErr... whats a mistake?
06:16:59KyomiAll I see the is same line... cept with one space difference
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06:18:41Jungti1234desc: in settings_menu()
06:18:42Jungti1234desc: in settings_menu
06:19:18Jungti1234I don't know.. bye
06:19:26Mikachuannyonghi kaseyo
06:19:39Jungti1234annyonghi geseyo
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06:19:49KyomiAnnoying Hi kelso :)
06:19:56Mikachui wonder what geseyo means
06:19:57KyomiOh.. damn... I was way off
06:20:08Kyomigay say ho?
06:20:21Kyomilol... it's like sphinctersayswhat
06:20:41KyomiI'm entertain myself... hooray for me :D
06:20:51Mikachui am also entertained by your charades
06:21:48Mikachubut now i am going to bed, good night
06:21:58KyomiAwwww... ;_;
06:22:04*Kyomi clings onto you
06:22:06sharpedon't worry, i'll be up.
06:22:33sharpeuntil i figure out what i want to do with my life and what i'm going to do about someone.
06:26:26sharpenot that it really matters if i'm awake or not.
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06:50:12scottderOk, pardon my ignorance here, but I've seen the word tagcache bounces around a bit
06:50:25scottderwhats the deal with that? (aka what is it?)
06:52:41dave_Oare you on here all the time sharpe
06:53:08sharpedepends on how depressed i am
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06:54:04scottderHrmm ok how can one tell when the forced tagcache update is done :)
06:54:51sharpeone second...
06:57:09Paul_The_Nerdscottder: When the drive stops accessing, either by way of the drive LED, or the virtual one in the status bar
06:57:29sharpethere you go.
07:00:53sharpehey paul, wish to test the wpz plugin?
07:01:00sharpebefore i submit it as a patch
07:01:30Paul_The_NerdNot tonight. I'm currently very very fuzzy from various cold medications.
07:01:35Paul_The_NerdI've been quite ill this weekend
07:08:31sharpei don't know what to do now... can't go to sleep, but i want to. want to forget about something but i can't. meh.
07:08:42sharpeand i'm done with the plugin as of now.
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07:20:27Kyomisharpe: Work on getting midi function better :D
07:20:31KyomiPretty please? ^^
07:20:50sharpelike i have any idea how i'd do that
07:21:06Paul_The_NerdMidi kinda requires someone who's very knowledgeable about the current playback code and buffering system, as well as at the same time knowledgeable about MIDI
07:21:27sharpewhich, i'm not.
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07:22:17sharpei'm just that dude that isn't a developer and doesn't really do much in the way of graphics.
07:23:03sharpenot that midi has anything to do with graphics, but, graphics are not my thing.
07:23:10XavierGrMIDI needs tremendous optimization. At least for 44.1KHz
07:30:43midkaysharpe, if you need a tester i'm rather available..
07:31:11sharpeuno momento
07:32:32*Paul_The_Nerd thinks his painkillers are fading
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07:34:27sharpeit also patches doom...
07:34:28midkayhave you considered on-device wpz packaging?
07:34:32midkaypatches doom for what?
07:34:47sharpeconflicts with including 'gwps.h' in plugin.h
07:34:55midkayah, alright
07:35:17sharpeyou mean, creating a wpz on the player?
07:35:30sharpenot really, but it'd be easy
07:35:40midkayindeed it should..
07:35:59sharpeit'd kind of weird i'm using a half drunken pepsi bottle to cool down my ipod...
07:36:40Moos07:35am time to sleep :)
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07:37:51midkaysharpe, haha.. um. do i need wpzpkg.c ? :)
07:37:59sharpetis in the patch
07:38:21midkayweird, wasn't created//
07:38:38midkaycan you post it alone?
07:38:40sharpewhy else would it take 10kb to patch the plugin.c/.h files?
07:38:41sharpeyeah, sure
07:38:50midkaydon't want to have to remove all those pluses to create it manually..
07:38:58midkayand your stupid doom fixes!
07:39:26sharpeit's either change the name of the variable in doom, or not have packaged wpses
07:39:32sharpeso get over it
07:39:49KyomiI choose not have packaged wpses :P
07:40:27midkayif(pkg_wps.extension == ".wpz") not_have_packaged_wpses();
07:41:11sharpeyou and your pseudocode. har har... har... heh...
07:41:24midkayhey. fu.
07:42:03sharpesurprisingly, pepsi is a nice heat transfer liquid...
07:43:14midkaygot an error in v_video.c
07:43:30sharperedeclaration error?
07:43:39sharpethat's why you need to patch doom :)
07:43:46midkayah, v_video.c.rej - patch may not be applied correctly
07:44:12sharpetis just the doom fix
07:44:33midkaythere it went
07:44:54midkaymore errors
07:44:59sharpesuch as?
07:45:40sharpejust remove the patch with both of the things...
07:45:49sharpeand i've one with just the wpz patch...
07:47:14sharpeif you need it
07:47:34midkayhow old was your build?
07:47:48midkaylike.. within hours?
07:48:14midkayjust FU MAN. FU.
07:48:38sharpeyeah, i knew you were going to say you could test it, so i purposely created the patch with the latest build
07:48:45sharpejust to fuck with you
07:48:51midkaywait. wtf.
07:49:12midkaythe latest i_video.c looks.. um.
07:49:17midkaygod .. ARGH.
07:49:24midkaycan you post i_video.c?
07:49:29sharpelol, sure...
07:50:52KyomiI want the music to work in Doom... screw variables :P
07:51:20Kyomisharpe: were you the one who found that one "interesting" varible name?
07:51:28sharpenope, was someone else
07:51:29midkayfinally, compiled..
07:51:44midkayKyomi, what? interesting? :)
07:51:52KyomiHold on :)
07:51:55sharpejust a variable named 'fuck' in the doom source :)
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07:52:14Kyomi[22:16] <Mikachu> am_map.c: static int fuck = 0;
07:52:23midkayhaha. kkurbjun's work, or id's? :)
07:52:38sharpebob's work.
07:52:41sharpeit was bob.
07:52:41KyomiI'd laugh my arse off if it was ID
07:52:44sharpethat bob.
07:52:46sharpethe guy.
07:52:47midkayi bet it was. haha.
07:52:50sharpegrr bob
07:52:56midkaysharpe, you know what. you're insane.
07:53:03sharpei may be.
07:53:07midkaywpz = uncompressed zip?
07:53:17midkaybitmaps go in root as well as WPS?
07:53:20midkayor in a folder?
07:53:24sharpein the folder
07:53:42sharpecorrect folder, mind you. :)
07:53:56midkayyezzir. :)
07:54:04midkaywait. so.
07:54:09midkayit only extracts file.wps and /file?
07:54:14midkayor everything?
07:54:25sharpewell, from the code, everything.
07:54:32sharpebut, only 55 entries
07:54:40sharpestarting from the first one
07:54:42midkaywhy that?
07:55:08sharpe52 for all possible images, one entry for the folder, one for the .wps, and one for an extra file
07:55:24sharpelike credits and such
07:55:52midkaywhy did you limit it?
07:56:01sharpeless memory usage
07:56:15sharpeand it's supposed to only have that many files
07:56:38midkaywhat the hell is that icon?
07:56:48sharperandom hex vales
07:57:07midkaydata abort.
07:57:33*Paul_The_Nerd does the iPod cheer.
07:57:43sharpedid you copy the built rockbox.ipod too?
07:57:50midkaymake zip + extracted
07:58:56sharpeare you sureee?
07:59:05midkay100% positive. :)
07:59:17midkaymy bad..
07:59:21midkayi had a rockbox.ipod in /.rockbox
07:59:48midkayyou win this time.
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08:00:49midkaycool, works fully.
08:01:08midkaynice job :)
08:01:12sharpethank you
08:01:30sharpetry it with a compressed zip :)
08:01:39midkayi'm going to try a number of things... :)
08:01:48sharpeto try to break it?
08:06:23midkayyou better change that compression error. :)
08:07:39sharpenobody has a sense of humor anymore :)
08:07:52midkayyes, it's funny. no, it's not appropriate. ;)
08:07:58Paul_The_NerdAt least with that one you'll *never* have people showing up in the forums saying "What does <blah> mean?"
08:08:22Kyomimidkay: Whats the message?
08:08:24midkay"Uncompressed files only!" is sufficient?
08:08:38midkayKyomi, atm it's like.. "What part of *uncompressed* is confusing?"
08:11:08sharpeinstead of the error message, i'll just have it do "clean("/.rockbox/");"
08:12:04Paul_The_NerdI am a firm believer that Rockbox needs to be more abusive once the manual becomes finished.
08:12:17sharpei'm paving the way :)
08:12:18Kyomiomg yes
08:12:22KyomiIt'd be sooo funny
08:12:38KyomiAlthough I'm a bit confused as to how you make an uncompressed zip file
08:12:53midkaythen don't make WPZ files!!
08:13:14sharpekyomi, what do you use for zipping files?
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08:13:39midkaychoose compression level "store"
08:13:39KyomiNormally I just use sfx
08:13:42sharpewell, when you add files to a zip, you can select the compression level
08:13:44midkaywhich means no compression
08:13:54KyomiBut I'm starting to use solid state archive
08:14:31sharpei don't really like 'quick zip' much...
08:14:48sharpefor use with rockbox anyway
08:15:02sharpefor extracting the zips...
08:16:11sharpeso, any problems with it so far midkay?
08:16:20midkaysharpe, seems to work fine.. i made an icon.
08:16:39KyomiYou can make icons with it?
08:16:41midkaysomewhat ambiguous, since it's hard to show a compressed WPS within 5x7 pixels, but.. :)
08:16:52midkayKyomi, i mean rockbox icon for WPZ files..
08:17:09midkayit's just a folder icon with alternate pixels inside it..
08:17:12midkaye.g. 'compressed'..
08:17:37midkaylooks nice anyways, way better than anything else i could come up with.. would also look good for zip files.
08:17:42sharpeyou can also cure cancer with it, but doom conflicts with it's compilation, so the cure part is out of the build for now
08:18:27Paul_The_NerdDoom is clearly more important that cancer curing MP3 players
08:18:44sharpewell, it's cancer curing, minus the curing...
08:18:56sharpeso it's just carcinogenic
08:19:46midkaysharpe, hmm.. do you mind if i change a few things to how i think they should be, and send it back at you?
08:19:47Shonkyany gigabeat hackers here?
08:20:00sharpemidkay... like what few things? :)
08:20:41midkayERROR_TIME, the errors, all your stupid tab indents..
08:20:49sharpei like my tabs.
08:20:55midkayrockbox doesn't. :)
08:20:59sharpeand error_time was going to be something else.
08:21:05sharpebut decided not to...
08:21:11KyomiIf playing Doom gives you cancer
08:21:12sharpedo whatever it was supposed to be
08:21:15KyomiConsider me dead already
08:21:18midkayjust extending the time.
08:21:23midkayway too short to read any of your messages..
08:21:27sharpewell, it's on 5g that it causes cancer
08:21:40sharpewhich is why it doesn't execute correctly for the 5g
08:21:42KyomiWhat about the H320?
08:21:51sharpeh320 is carcinogen free
08:23:16sharpethe only reason it's at one second for the error time, is because it's what i read it at, and didn't bother to change it yet
08:23:34midkaysharpe, well, do up all your changes and then let me have a look please :)
08:23:44midkayor if you want this back, i'm done with it..
08:23:53sharpewhat be your changes?
08:24:05midkayerrors simplified/beautified, longer error splash time, tabs replaced with 4 spaces..
08:24:29sharpewell, lets see how long it takes me to do that.
08:24:39midkaydepends on how you beautify them.
08:27:16midkaybtw, the icon: 7e 6b 55 6a 7e 00
08:28:11sharpeooh, i must fix something.
08:28:44sharpeshould i have it exit the plugin after it can't create an output file?
08:28:57midkaynoooooo! ;)
08:29:01sharpeor leave it as it is?
08:30:00KyomiI like the error
08:30:13KyomiThe compression error that is
08:30:33sharpethink it's too quick?
08:31:11midkaysharpe, waay too quick..
08:31:15midkayHZ*2 at least
08:31:22sharpetis what i have it at now.
08:32:46midkaythat's good.
08:32:48sharpeheh, nice icon midkay
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08:32:56midkayty i guess :)
08:36:34sharpeany other ideas for it?
08:37:19midkayif you're preparing to submit it.. add a header-thingamajig..
08:37:27sharpeyeah, i know
08:39:53sharpei'm going to wait until later today to submit it
08:39:58sharpelike, when i wake up
08:40:54midkaywhat a loser!
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08:42:49sharpeso midkay, what do you think of the whole idea, including the .wpz extension? :D
08:43:20midkaypackaged WPS files is an excellent idea.. the plugin works great.. i'm only still rather iffy on the extension. :)
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08:43:47XavierGrwow building the cross-compiler for all targets is sure bothersome!!!
08:43:55midkayXavierGr, agreed
08:44:05ashridahall three of them?
08:44:26XavierGrwell I just started to build it for m68k (coldfire)
08:44:26sharpeheh, i like the font used...
08:44:46midkaysharpe, what?
08:44:58sharpethe font used in the plugin
08:44:59XavierGrI have split blood in order to make it compile
08:45:03sharpeit sets it before it shows anything
08:45:14sharpeeven though it's the default font
08:45:18midkay.. it's used in basically every plugin... :)
08:45:19sharpeit looks cool.
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08:57:21XavierGrI give up. The cross-compiler is built but the firmware refuses to be compiled
08:57:37KyomiIt hates you
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08:58:28ashridahXavierGr: in which way does it fail?
09:03:42Bgerproblems with the crosscompiler ?
09:03:54XavierGrashridah:it will stop at scrable.o with an error: file format not recognized
09:04:03XavierGrBger: You lied!!!
09:04:12XavierGrIt is a hell of a mess to build it
09:05:03XavierGrah I don't have perl installed
09:05:14XavierGrand my virtual HD is out of space
09:05:23Kyomihorray for horrible MS programming
09:05:35KyomiIt's gone from 1:59 to 3:00 :P
09:05:38XavierGrdoes anyone know how to increase the vhd space?
09:05:47BgerXavierGr i just don't get why would you need X too ...
09:05:56XavierGrfor simulator
09:06:02Bgerah, yes
09:06:21XavierGrand vmware tools dont install correctly on the current rockbox vmware image
09:06:56XavierGr(because I managed to build the simulator on the rockbox vmware image, you just need xserver and a window manager, along with libsdl-dev)
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09:09:57XavierGrhmfp! 2GB is just the installation of Ubuntu alone. Too much storage waste
09:10:11XavierGrI even tried to build the crosscompiler with puppy linux
09:10:21XavierGr(and dsl and feather linux)
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09:10:48ashridahXavierGr: so remove chunks of it, like evolution, firefox, openoffice, etc
09:10:54ashridahthat'll free up giant wads of space
09:11:15XavierGryeah open-office will be useless to me
09:11:33Galoisyou can get away with removing X, if all you want it for is rockbox
09:11:40Galoisoh, oops, sim
09:11:41ashridahGalois: simulator.
09:11:45Galoisscrew the sim
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09:15:26XavierGrha found it.
09:15:46XavierGrThere is a command line utility to make vhd larger
09:23:11bluebrother^is there a possibility to make a screenshot of the id3 screen of the archos player using the sim?
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09:32:08midkayoh, never mind.
09:34:55RedBrevaOK, I may be missing something really obvious here... I can't find the option to create a bookmark on the H140... :(
09:35:49midkayhold select, i think, to get the context menu..
09:36:01midkaythen go to "bookmarks" and then "create bookmark"
09:39:26*Bger just learned something new
09:39:44ashridahRedBreva: the unit can also be configured to create a bookmark when you stop a file
09:39:53ashridahhandy for audio books
09:41:40RedBrevaashridah - Thanks, I did know that bit, but am just trying to ensure the main menu section of the manual reads correctly, and it looks to be completely out of date in this area. I think we need a 'Context Menu' section...
09:42:21RedBrevaLooks like Bookmarking got moved from Main to Context at some point
09:42:39midkayRedBreva, which manual is that?
09:43:09RedBrevaThe new latex job
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09:44:28XavierGrBger: What?
09:45:12BgerXavierGr i didn't know how this bookmarking stuff works
09:48:05Bagdersome pics from the event
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09:51:33*XavierGr drools
09:51:51Bgerwow! at last
09:52:59midkayBagder, i see you also uploaded the fullsize pics.. any chance of linking to them from the smaller version?
09:53:02Kyomiworld of warcraft?
09:53:19Bagdermidkay: yes, I intend to do that
09:53:33midkaycool :)
09:54:18midkay"Christi and Brandon had still now showed up at the conference place"
09:54:44midkay"wondering about in the cold." -wondering+wandering. :)
09:55:20amiconngood morning
09:55:30*amiconn spots Bagder around :)
09:55:49*Bagder ducks
09:56:06*amiconn is waiting for langv2
09:56:31Bagderme do a commit tonight or tomorrow I think
09:56:53midkay"two boxes of chocalate" chocolate. :)
09:57:19midkayi have the reverse of that!
09:57:44midkaylet me imageshack it
09:57:49Bagderplease do!
09:57:58midkayat least i think it is..
09:58:10Bagderseems likely
09:58:32amiconnI'll then o through the strings again and merge what can be merged (our extra _PLAYER cases mostly)
09:59:50midkayi was considering sending you that, Bagder, but never really decided to or got around to it. it might make a nice addition to that page right beneath the cam shot, though. :)
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10:00:27midkayBagder, cool page though, nice work.. way more than i expected to see :)
10:00:55*Bagder bows
10:01:11amiconnmidkay: Btw, is there a reson why you Capitalized Almost Every Word in the strings?
10:01:25midkayamiconn, To Unify Case :)
10:02:02midkayevery other string was Capitalized-Every-Word so i Had to Decide what to Do, and i Thought that Initial Capital Letters were TheBestChoice.
10:02:03amiconnI thought the rule in english.lang was to capitalize only the first letter of each menu item
10:02:18midkaywas it? then it definitely wasn't being followed..
10:02:25XavierGrany news from the guy that was making an updated vmware image? I really start to loose my temper with this....
10:02:50midkayfirst letter of each word for the menu items seemed considerably more common than just capitalizing the first letter of the string, so i went with that.. makes a bit more sense to me, too.. considering it's a menu..
10:03:07XavierGrtrying to build crosscompiler from Ubuntu, seems that it doesn't like
10:03:26amiconnHmm, okay. It's definitely better to have one style than several
10:04:15midkayamiconn, yeah, looked really ugly with almost every other string being capitalized in different places.. title case was most common from what i could see, and also made the most sense, so i went with it..
10:04:29safetydanUI conventions tend to have menu entries with the first letter of each word capitalised
10:04:42safetydanAt least the Gnome HIG has that anyway
10:04:46midkaysafetydan, yeah, that's what i thought.
10:05:25midkayPlay Selected First, Resume on startup, Anti-Skip Buffer.
10:05:31midkayfor example.. ew.
10:05:59amiconnSomehow I didn't spot that the capitalisation of the english strings was so different.
10:06:04Galoismy gnome is slightly inconsistent then
10:06:22Galois"Preferred Applications" "Network proxy"
10:06:38safetydanGalois, it's "Network Proxy" here
10:06:41Galois"File types and programs" "Keyboard Shortcuts"
10:06:43safetydanmaybe they fixed it in 2.14 :)
10:06:44Galoisthis is redhat bluecurve
10:06:46midkayamiconn, hm, each time i go in the menus i notice it and it bugs me.. although that's the kind of thing i'd notice anyways. :)
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10:06:49amiconnThen I'm using german most of the time, only switching to english when I want to look up the english strings for explanations where to find something in the menu
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10:07:44Bagdermidkay: ok, now links to all the original-sized pictures
10:07:55midkayBagder, great, thx
10:08:12midkayLinus looks extremely enthusiastic here..
10:08:36Bagderhehe, yeah
10:08:40amiconn(or testing english voices)
10:08:51XavierGrI 've got a great shot of linus from the webcam :D
10:09:27XavierGrwhere do I sent it?
10:09:44BagderXavierGr: you can email it to me daniel at rockbox dot org
10:10:20XavierGrquality isn't good. I just catcht him yawing
10:10:46midkayooh, i wanaa seeeeee :)
10:11:08XavierGrdamn gmail seems to be down again
10:11:13midkayalright. alright. alright. now i'll finish up those darned quickscreens..
10:15:32amiconnBagder: Does the langv2 script now have an option to output a file for the voice scripts?
10:15:42Bagdernot yet, no
10:15:47BagderI'll fix that before I commit
10:15:57amiconn(i.e. langv1 format with just id: and voice:)
10:16:50amiconnWill you put in charset conversion, or should I look into doing that in the vbscript?
10:17:30BagderI will not convert charsets in the first version at least
10:17:37amiconnHmm, okay
10:17:49amiconnProbably it even makes more sense
10:18:06amiconnWe would have to tell the perl script which destination charset we want
10:18:45amiconnThe vbscript can perhaps figure it out via some windows-specific function
10:19:05amiconnLess options to pass around
10:19:11safetydanRight. Time to go away for a month. Good luck with the 3.0 release.
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10:19:36amiconnThat was quick...
10:20:01amiconnThe graphic equalizer UI needs work to fit on the mini's screen
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10:25:31midkayanyone know why puts_scroll seems to display a line where it should be but if it's long enough to need scrolling, it scrolls the line in a different position? *confused*
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10:28:04midkayah, i might have figured it out.
10:28:38Bagderamiconn: for the voice output, I figure I should output the id: and voice: lines in the english order?
10:33:09midkayhaving the statusbar enabled/disabled seems to be independent of setting the margins? i.e. even if i set them to (0,0) if the statusbar is on it moves them down, what, like 8 pixels?
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10:37:38midkayamiconn, do you know? <midkay> having the statusbar enabled/disabled seems to be independent of setting the margins? i.e. even if i set them to (0,0) if the statusbar is on it moves them down, what, like 8 pixels?
10:38:36amiconn_Bagder: yes, voice needs the IDs in english.lang order
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10:41:16amiconnmidkay: Maybe. I'm not that familiar with the margins concept, and I didn't touch it with my gfx work.
10:41:25*midkay sobs
10:41:46amiconnAfter 3.0 we will do the transition to viewports, then the old margins become obsolete
10:41:56midkayi could just disable the status bar in the quickscreens.. any opinions?
10:42:11midkaywell.. it's nice to see the effect of "status bar" on and off...
10:42:50midkayi guess i'll just do the placement based on statusbar on/off..
10:43:01amiconnYou mean if you switch the status bar the scroll thread doesn't know about it and therefore puts the scrolling line in a different place?
10:43:18midkayno, that was an unrelated problem..
10:43:37midkayi was setting the margins where i called puts_scroll and then changed them again, and it seemed to scroll based on the latest change..
10:43:44midkaywhich made sense..
10:43:47midkayin a stupid way.. ;)
10:44:30amiconnHmm. The scroll thread doesn't store the margin settings as they were at the time each scrolling line got added
10:45:04midkayyeah, i guess it just scrolls based on what they are "right now"?
10:45:06amiconnThere are only global margin variables. So the line will jump if you change a margin while a scrolling line is still displayed
10:45:34midkayright. okay.
10:45:46amiconnYou would need to remove all scrolling lines before changing margin
10:45:54midkaymakes my job like 402% more difficult!!
10:46:08amiconn...i.e. lcd_clear_display(), then redraw everything
10:47:08amiconnBut in fact your discovery has an important point - with the upcoming viewports concept we also need to be able to remoe single scrolling lines
10:47:51amiconnSo then then-to-be scrolling text function (lcd_putsxy_scroll() ??) should return the ID of the scrolling line
10:47:54midkayhooray for inadvertent, useful discoveries that provoke thought and consideration!!!
10:48:14midkaylcd_putsxy_scroll would be extremely useful at the quickscreens..
10:48:57amiconnYes, and it will aso be usefull to be able to clip at the right edge as well
10:49:16midkayyes, especially that.. i'm still wondering the best way to right-align the text and icon.
10:49:40amiconn...and the scrolling line stores its viewport settings (background & foreground colour etc)
10:49:51midkayi think that just if the string is longer than the LCD, add two spaces to the end of it and scroll that, drawing the icon on top of it.
10:49:56amiconnBut that's all post-3.0 stuff
10:49:59midkaycool :)
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10:55:50XavierGrwell good morning all...
10:56:00XavierGrI am going to my bed :D
10:56:10midkaynight XavierGr :)
10:56:22amiconnXavierGr: At noon?
10:56:48XavierGryeah I am an allnighter
10:56:59XavierGrI woke up at 8.00pm yesterday aahaha
10:57:26XavierGrsee you later, bye
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12:08:27PiXEL8is there any eta on when the mod/xm codec will be working?
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12:09:36ashridahis anyone even working on that anymore?
12:09:42Paul_The_NerdNobody's working on it at the moment, I believe
12:10:04ashridahwe probably should mark various stagnant codecs with 'needs developer/maintainer' in the tables
12:10:37midkaywoohoo, quick screens are working perfectly now..
12:10:43midkayas good as it gets without viewport ability..
12:10:59midkayi'll add access to the quickscreen for iPod i think..
12:12:12midkaywhich player do you have?
12:12:25midkayit's a screen that lets you quick-configure three settings using left, right and down..
12:12:40midkayrepeat mode, shuffle, and "show files".
12:14:33ashridahi know the one you mean
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12:21:07nlsmidkay, you were the guy who adapted wormlet to the new targets, right?
12:21:37midkaynls, yes..
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12:22:08nlsany plans on supporting multiplayer and different control modes on those
12:22:56midkaynot for me, not really, no.. should be rather simple for the irivers, though. the ipods have no remote support yet..
12:23:09midkayi could look into it if you'd like..
12:23:48nlsI just saw this when fiddling with the manual page..
12:24:19midkayah, well, it's not exactly on my todo list :)
12:24:54nlsheh :)
12:25:46nlsIt's like this with many older plugins anyway, the bare minimum to make them work on a new platform has been done.
12:26:05midkaytrue.. if i had an iriver and a remote, i might be a bit more eager to do it..
12:26:17midkayi'm more into doing things that i can test and use myself, though.
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12:42:45*linuxstb wonders what everyone is doing on the last day before feature freeze...
12:43:09midkayjust committed a quickscreen update..
12:43:50*nls is packing bags (or should pack bags)
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12:47:35linuxstbNo, I'm doing nothing today.
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12:48:11linuxstbMy Sudoku updates yesterday were the only thing on my "must do before feature freeze" list.
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12:51:13midkaywhat to doooo..
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12:58:20RedBrevaAnychance of someone having a look at - Completely reworked 'Main Menu' chapter for the manual and some screenshots...
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13:02:29bluebrother^RedBreva: just checked it in.
13:03:43RedBrevaCool, thanks - I can concentrate on finding the rest of the screenshots and key presses for other platforms now ;-)
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13:04:38bluebrother^I just wanted to make some small modifications before.
13:04:46bluebrother^are you french?
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13:11:01Hyperbitlook ^^
13:11:04JdGordonhey guys
13:11:18midkayhey JdGordon
13:14:23RedBrevabluebrother^ : No, English
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13:15:15midkayamiconn, do you know why recent builds for recorder have a filetype array full error?
13:16:20amiconnDid you replace the full build?
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13:16:41amiconnI got that when adding wavplay, but solved it by upping the number of allowed filetypes
13:16:57midkayoverwrote anything old..
13:18:42amiconnPerhaps some old plugins laying around?
13:18:54midkayreally? how would that make a difference?
13:19:12midkaydoes that refer to the viewers?
13:19:20linuxstbHyperbit: Very nice. If only we had something physical to put inside that box.
13:19:40amiconnCheck the file dates in viewers/ and rocks/, and remove all .rock files which are older than your latest build
13:21:46midkayah, i had some old stuff, like bejeweled from before it was renamed..
13:21:47bluebrother^RedBreva: I noticed some "french" typographic "glitches".
13:22:16*amiconn spots bluebrother
13:22:21bluebrother^the french people usually write a space between words and marks like : and !
13:22:25midkaystill getting it.. not related to your lang update possibly?
13:22:38bluebrother^which isn't done in english.
13:22:52amiconnbluebrother^: As you updated the archos table in the manual: I think the complete table makes no sense anymore with your move towards target specific manuals
13:23:06RedBrevaAs in menu options : Like this?
13:23:12amiconns/your move/our move/
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13:25:41bluebrother^RedBreva: yes.
13:26:18bluebrother^the french people have some funny "style guidelines" for typesetting imo.
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13:26:56linuxstbbluebrother^: I'm with you - in English, there shouldn't be a space before the colon.
13:27:32bluebrother^amiconn: you're right. But I also thought of adding a "supported devices" table to the appendix. So this could become the archos page for this.
13:27:43RedBrevaI changed to that because the font that was being shown for those headings has an almost invisible space, and it looked terrible without it, but the font seems to be different now!!
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13:28:28amiconnbluebrother^: Sounds like a good idea.
13:28:35bluebrother^RedBreva: as I already discussed with tucoz we decided to go for the description environment on places like that.
13:29:15bluebrother^If we later on want to have bullets (as the description environment doesn't have them usually) we can change this globally in the preamble.
13:29:20PapricaNico_P around?
13:29:40Papricaoh no
13:30:17bluebrother^You also shouldn't care to much for the actual "look" −− thats the cause we're using macros for stuff like \note, \fname and so on.
13:30:34RedBrevaWhy does 3.8 have a differing font to 5.1 (Player manual) for the menu names... for example?
13:31:05Moosbluebrother^: I'll clean as possible the french.lang
13:31:11bluebrother^so we don't need to change it on every place when we want to cange it globally.
13:31:17bluebrother^Moos: I'm german ;-)
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13:31:26Mooshehe :)
13:31:52bluebrother^I only suspected RedBreva to be french because the additional space in typesetting I only know from french people.
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13:32:34RedBrevaAnd the fact that my knowledge of english grammar is so poor ... :D
13:32:36*Moos is reading the logs
13:33:06bluebrother^RedBreva: you mean the description in section 5.1 compared to the one in 3.8?
13:33:33Hyperbitlinuxstb: what do you mean with physikal thing?
13:33:36RedBrevaBut that should have told you that I must be English, if you learn a 'foreign' language, you generally learn the details much better than a native speaker"
13:34:04linuxstbHyperbit: I mean that that is a design for a box, but there is nothing we could put inside it. So it's nice, but useless.
13:34:09bluebrother^simply because it isn't adjusted in chapter 5 yet.
13:35:02bluebrother^I had the idea of adding a table with all shipped themes.
13:35:24bluebrother^like a wps screenshot and the name in the appendix.
13:35:29linuxstbbluebrother^: That would be nice, but a lot of screenshots needed.
13:35:54RedBrevaso is the correct synax \item[Menu Name text: ] ? inside a \begin{description}?
13:36:01bluebrother^linuxstb: I think it would be sufficient to have the wps only. Maybe one or two other screens.
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13:36:31bluebrother^RedBreva: yes. The description title is the optional argument of \item (thus the [])
13:37:00RedBrevaAhhhh, now it's starting to make sense -
13:37:10linuxstbI just mean that one screenshot per WPS per target soon adds up. Also, I wouldn't do that yet - I'm sure the WPSs that will ship with 3.0 won't be the same as the ones there currently.
13:37:16bluebrother^I've added a note on this to the wiki:
13:37:54RedBrevaOK, I will continue later, must dash - shopping to be done :(
13:38:40bluebrother^linuxstb: I also think this has pretty much low priority. But I like the idea.
13:39:19bluebrother^ATM I'm trying to concentrate on cleaning the tex code up so we get a better base.
13:40:18bluebrother^the tables are still producing headaches to me :(
13:40:34Hyperbitlinuxstb: its only a comercial gag.. but we can put a little bit love into ;D
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13:40:53linuxstbbluebrother^: Definitely - don't make extra work for yourself.
13:41:02linuxstbHyperbit: I know it's not serious - and my reply wasn't serious.
13:41:22bluebrother^Hyperbit: I like the "box". Maybe we could use something as a little announcement gag for 3.0?
13:41:44bluebrother^"grab your box ... now at your local dealer"
13:41:58midkayalright, what have i missed?
13:42:09bluebrother^or should we say "at your local internet connection"?
13:42:37JdGordon"at your local dealer" <- sounds like drugs... :p
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13:43:18midkayhaha. ooh.
13:43:26*ashridah believes that the next sound test on a new unit should be
13:43:49JdGordonashridah: thats my ringtone on my mobile
13:43:59ashridahthat's an awesome idea
13:44:19ashridahpity getting mp3's onto my mobile is a bitch atm thanks to my main devel workstation being hosed :(
13:45:01ashridahpity the version i have is a little cut off near the end :(
13:45:02linuxstbJdGordon: That must drive you and everyone around you insane...
13:45:24JdGordonmy fone doesnt ring that often :( and its normally on vibrator anyway
13:45:43ashridahsame here
13:45:57*midkay giggles. "vibrator".
13:46:20midkaywtf is with that song/whatever.
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13:46:28ashridahhaha. mate of one my parentals thought he was having a heart attack first time his phone rang on vibrate
13:46:53JdGordonbut, im glad its on vibrator... there have been some pretty gay rings coming from the international students' fones during some lectures
13:47:03JdGordonmust be fun having 200+ ppl laughing at you
13:47:30ashridahJdGordon: haha. i saw someone throw someone else's half-way across a room when it went off with the jamster tone :)
13:47:46JdGordonserves em right :D
13:47:51ashridahhell yeah
13:48:29ashridah"bananaphone, it's a phone with appeal"
13:50:04Hyperbita rockbox strelsslesspackage would be nice... connect RockBox Player and a tool will stream the daily build on it...
13:50:19Hyperbitand i need a rockbox car venyl ;D
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13:51:16*JdGordon wants to add a random level creator to brickmania... any1 wanna suggest the best way to do it?
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13:51:54midkaymy cellular bananular phone.
13:52:14JdGordonits no balony... it aint a pony! ..
13:52:22JdGordonmy cellular bananular phoooooooone.
13:52:33amiconnmidkay: I'm now getting 'filetype array full' on Ondio as well... strange
13:52:37linuxstbamiconn: I'm looking at the copy_read_sectors() function in ata.c - am I right in thinking that it is just a memcpy with (in some cases) byte-swapping? So on the ipods, (no byte-swapping needed afaics) we can just use memcpy?
13:52:58midkayamiconn, hmmmm.. i was first curious if it was my latest quickscreen fix, but it doesn't seem possible..
13:53:08amiconnIt's a ata port->memory copy. The source address stays constant
13:53:10linuxstbamiconn: Sorry... Just realised.
13:54:14ashridahJdGordon: isn't "balony" supposed to be spelled "bologne"?
13:54:17ashridahand it's "phony"
13:54:22ashridahnot "pony" i'm pretty sure
13:54:25JdGordonyes, probably..
13:54:43JdGordonno.. watch the flash animatino.. its pony
13:54:54midkayor the flash animation is wrong!
13:55:12ashridahflash version?
13:55:23JdGordongoogle.. :p
13:55:44amiconnmidkay: Something is really fishy in filetypes.c. The number of allowed filetypes and exttypes is set considerably higher than what we have, but still we're getting these error messages
13:57:28amiconnI've now upped the number of filetypes to 48, enough to get rid of the message
14:02:06midkaywhat exactly is 'filetypes'?
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14:21:14midkayJdGordon, it IS phony.
14:21:16midkayso clearly.
14:21:29JdGordonok, u win
14:21:42midkayoperator get me bei-jing jing jing.
14:21:55*midkay rocks out
14:22:14midkayif anyone could see me right now... i'd.. go jump off a cliff.
14:22:40midkaya brother and sister and dog-a-phone. haha.
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14:25:05amiconnlinuxstb: There's a dependency problem with the bitmaps and bitmap headers
14:25:37linuxstbI'm not surprised... Do you have an example?
14:25:57linuxstbAlso, are you talking about the core or the plugins?
14:26:16amiconnWhen you replace rockboxlogo.for_your_unit.bmp with a file of different dimension, the logo display gets all messed up if you just 'make'
14:26:29linuxstbAh, so the .h isn't recreated?
14:26:35amiconnIt is...
14:26:58midkay[ding ding ding ding ding donanaphone..]
14:26:58amiconnMy suspicion is that the libbitmaps*.a isn't rebuilt correctly
14:29:12*ashridah notes that his cunning plan to halt all rockbox development is coming to fruition >:)
14:29:52linuxstbamiconn: I'm about to go out now, but I'll have a look later this afternoon.
14:30:31midkayping pong ping pong ping PONANAPHONE.
14:31:12midkayying yang ying yang ying yananaphone!
14:32:08ashridahwee, bug in the "next" WPS field. if it decodes more than one song ahead, it seems to skip ahead next too
14:34:50midkaydamn you, ashridah.
14:34:54midkayi can't control it anymore.
14:35:12ashridahbadger badger badger badger badger AAAH SNAKE ITS A SNAKE
14:35:17Hyperbitdont some somany weed... ;D
14:35:30midkaysmoke? so much?
14:35:31Hyperbitit seems u see a Banaphona PonanaPhone
14:35:39midkaywtf. :)
14:35:52*ashridah isn't sure english is hyperbit's speciality
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14:36:30midkayyeeeah.. i'm gonna go ahead and ask you to, shut up. oh, and if you could just, go ahead and... learn some english... that'd be great.
14:36:38midkay(jk to anyone who hasn't seen office space!!)
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14:37:52Hyperbitashridah seems to know me
14:38:46midkayheey JdGordon, whaaat's happening. oh, by the way, i'm gonna need you to go ahead, and, get back to work on your color picker. oh, and if you could just, go ahead and, jump off a cliff, when you're done... that'd be greeat. mmkay?
14:39:06JdGordonmmm... bbut,.. but..
14:39:20JdGordonif they take my stapler, i swaer, im gonna burnn the building down..
14:39:33midkayheeey JdGordon, what's happening. hey, did you get that memo.
14:39:35ashridahmidkay: heh. the nightmare about lumberg doing his gf was hilarious in that movie
14:39:38ashridahthen there's the printer
14:39:44midkayi'm gonna need you to go ahead and file some tps reports. mmkay?
14:39:46midkayashridah, haha. yeah.
14:39:47ashridahi've thought about doing shit like that to printers from time to time
14:40:12midkay*looks over* heeey peter, what's happening. did you get those tps reports? mm..
14:40:20JdGordoni have a nice printer/fax/scanner that u cant get ink for anymore.. so i might just take the bat to it :D
14:41:07*ashridah pats his laserjet
14:41:43ashridahthere's an officeworks nearby that has my exact model of toner, it's awesome, and i've had it like two years and haven't had to replace the toner yet :)
14:42:08ashridahnone of this 60-pages per cartridge that inkjets go on with
14:42:13midkayashridah, if you could just go ahead and, shut the hell up, that'd be great.
14:42:31ashridahthe printer cost me $700 australian mind you
14:42:33ashridahit wasn't cheap
14:42:40ashridahbut it's already paid for itself in saved ink
14:42:49midkayoh, and if you could just, go ahead and, shut the hell up _now_... that'd be great.
14:42:51JdGordonnice, colour i assume?
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14:42:57amiconnkkurbjun: r u there?
14:43:12midkayjk ashridah!!
14:45:29ashridahJdGordon: nah, colour laserjet's are hella expensive
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14:46:02JdGordon700$ for b+w sounds bloody expensive...
14:46:30ashridahfor a decent quality laserjet? not really
14:46:30midkaynot when it has a built-in ringringringringringringring bananaphoooone!
14:48:12Mikachuit's a phone with a(p)peal!
14:48:36midkayping pong ping pong ping pong ping PONANAPHONE.
14:48:41*ashridah taps fingers together
14:48:58midkayying yang ying yang ying yang ying.. YANANAPHONE.
14:49:08midkay*converts to FLAC for iPod listening 24/7*
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14:49:20linuxstbamiconn: I've just confirmed your bitmap bug... I replaced the logo for my ipod color with a smaller one, and it is corrupted. Using "arm-elf-ar t libbitmapsnative.a" shows that both the old and new logos are in that archive, which is obviously the problem.
14:50:36linuxstbThe problem is the "r" (replace) option. The .o files are called rockbox.220x176x16.o and rockbox.whatever.o - so the replace option doesn't replace.
14:52:13amiconnHmm, so that means there are several objects in the .a, which all provide the rockboxlogo[] array?
14:52:43linuxstbSo I'm assuming the linker just uses the first one.
14:52:54ashridahhahha. i love lecturers who write assignments that require students to use huge amounts of space in /tmp
14:52:56amiconnSo we should call the generated .c just rockboxlogo.c, like it's done for the .h
14:53:09ashridahFilesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on
14:53:10ashridahswap 8.0G 8.0G 0K 100% /tmp
14:53:15ashridah8GB and it's full :)
14:54:04nlsbluebrother^, around?
14:54:39nlsI fixed up the wormlet part but need to add multirow package, ok?
14:54:41linuxstbamiconn: That seems the cleanest solution. Or delete the .a file before generating it. I can't remember how easy it will be to rename the .o files, but it should be possible.
14:54:59nlsI mean is that ok with you?
14:55:42amiconnOnly one of the bitmapname.size_x_depth.bmp files is used for each target. So stripping the .size_x_depth part shouldn't cause problems
14:56:02bluebrother^I have no problem with adding new packages as long as its not breaking the tables.
14:56:16linuxstbI think the problem will be the makefile rules - we currently have rules such as $(OBJDIR)/%.c: %.bmp - so if the .c has a different name to the .bmp, it won't work.
14:56:58linuxstbI _really_ have to leave now, I'll have a think about it.
14:57:25nlsbluebrother^, not at all, I just needed it in this table, you gotta use "\multirow" command to use it, just like multicolumn.
14:58:08nlsIt was done with creepy table within table before
14:59:49bluebrother^go ahead :)
15:01:34amiconnSomething is really wrong with the dB volume on iPod. I have to go considerably lower to get the same volume as on the other targets
15:01:51amiconnI'm now at -55 dB with my earphones
15:02:18amiconnAre the datasheets avilable for the WM* codecs?
15:04:28Mikachui use between -25 and -15
15:04:45Mikachubut i think my songs are replaygained about -10 to
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15:06:53webmindhmm, anyone care to venture on the possibility of that one day the nano might do video ?
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15:07:48midkaywebmind, it already does with ipodlinux..?
15:07:51midkayare you asking about rockbox?
15:08:15webmindrockbox yes
15:08:25midkayif iPL can, rockbox can.. :)
15:08:26webminddidn't know with ipl either though :)
15:09:35midkayashridah, i'm going to bed and i'll fall asleep to bananaphone.flac!!
15:09:41midkaythanks to you.
15:10:29midkayso, night all. :)
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15:11:28webmindnight midkay
15:11:29JdGordon41bloody 25 yr old fridge.. decided to die @ 11pm :'(
15:11:34bluebrother^can't believe it:
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15:11:56Mikachuum, .flac?
15:12:15midkayJdGordon41, that sucks! webmind, ty!!!! bluebrother^, haha. Mikachu, converted!
15:12:20Paul_The_NerdAmiconn: Just as a note, what iPod is your volume low on, and does it have the same WM as the Nano, or is it different, because they sound the same between my Nano and my H120...
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15:12:26BoD[]Hello, world!
15:12:35amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: mini 2G
15:13:08Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: as of last week at least, as far as I could tell the volumes were the same (within my hearing's ability to discern) on Nano and H120
15:13:41BoD[]Hey, what is "Quickscreen" ?
15:13:59Paul_The_NerdBoD[]: Shortcut to some very commonly changed menu items.
15:14:09BoD[]ahh :)
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15:14:46BoD[]i see in the cvs log that it's available on the ipod ? what is the key to go there?
15:14:47Paul_The_NerdAlso, do my eyes deceive me, or is the FM Presets patch in CVS finally?
15:14:53amiconnSlasheri: Why did you disable the search plugin with your tagcache commit?
15:14:54Paul_The_NerdBoD[]: Hold down Menu
15:15:17BoD[]ok good :) thanx
15:15:17amiconnIt has nothing to do with the searchengine stuff, it just searches .m3u files...
15:16:33JdGordon41Paul_The_Nerd: about time that got added!
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15:18:42Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I agree. Now my fm presets .zip is finally useful. :)
15:19:36BoD[]hey is it recommended to compile/update the bootloader frequently?
15:19:50ashridahat least, depends on the platform
15:20:07Mikachudepends on what changes there have been...
15:20:11ashridahbut generally, it's entirely possible that a minor change in rockbox completely breaks the bootloader, and leaving you with a dead unit
15:20:34ashridahparticularly on flash-based booting units, like the iriver players
15:21:18BoD[]thanks :)
15:21:25Paul_The_NerdBoD[]: It is only recommended to update the bootloader when the file changes at IriverBoot, IpodBoot or IaudioBoot, and even then wait a day or two just to make sure there's not a "Oh, wait!" of some sort.
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15:21:51Paul_The_NerdAnd even then, only if the changes are something you feel you can't live without
15:21:55BoD[]oh ok
15:22:09BoD[]ahah ok :)
15:22:22BoD[]there are lots of things I can't live without ;)
15:22:27Paul_The_NerdThough admittedly updating the bootloader on the Ipod is much less of a deal than on anything else.
15:22:32JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: boooring... i had fun updating to the v2 bootloader (h300) back in the day as soon as it was relased :D sif wait and make sure its safe...
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15:23:25BoD[]I'm happy the vendors always think of a "hardware" way of shutting the unit off
15:23:26Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Didn't one of the H300 bootloaders have fairly serious problems? I know I used several of the H100 ones, I then later saw people have issues with the H300 ones, so it seemed fair to give warning.
15:23:59JdGordonna, it had some usb problem for some ppl.. v3 iirc... never affected me anyway
15:24:08ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: they weren't fatal tho
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15:24:57BoD[]woops... compile errors after a cvs update
15:25:39Mikachuis the quick screen supposed to only have 3 things on it?
15:25:55Paul_The_NerdRepeat mode, Shuffle mode, and File View mode, right?
15:27:37Mikachuwhat was that talk about scrolling text then? it fits on my nano screen..?
15:27:59Paul_The_NerdAlso, the Nano has more pixels than the H120, X5, and Archoses
15:28:16Mikachuare the items supposed to be spread out in a strange pattern too?
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15:28:41Paul_The_NerdOne on the left, one on the right, and one at the bottom?
15:28:46*Paul_The_Nerd doesn't know how it looks with the changes
15:28:59Paul_The_NerdYeah. Because you press left to change the one on the left, right the one on the right, etc.
15:29:51webguest75Was really confusing when they were just in the corner of the screen, with no arrows as well
15:30:17Mikachuthe icon for down is "wrong" on ipods though :)
15:30:39Mikachualso, abrepeat only has a $$ where it's supposed to be $Id: $
15:31:32Mikachunice that the cvs log for that file says it was committed just before the 2.5 feature freeze and that it's not 100% complete yet, and the only change since then is adding support for swcodec
15:31:50BoD[]by the way... why is the scroll bar on the left part of the screen
15:32:54webguest75one's as good as another
15:33:01Paul_The_NerdWhat's wrong with left?
15:33:15Mikachumost programs have it on the right
15:33:26Paul_The_NerdAnd how many of those programs are rockbox?
15:33:30BoD[]well it's on the right side in most OSes
15:33:52BoD[]well... you know ... "principle of least surprise"
15:33:59webguest75There's no surprise here
15:34:13Paul_The_NerdYeah, it's a scroll bar. You see it, you say "Ah, the scroll bar is there. Okay."
15:34:31webguest75it's a scrollbar.. there's no logic that dictates that it belongs in either side of the window
15:34:32BoD[]i was surprised :) I admit, it's not a big deal... but why not doing it like the rest?
15:34:37Paul_The_NerdSurely the volume in dB causes a far greater amount of surprise.
15:34:39JdGordoncan any1 tell me how to setup my linux "box" to check my isp email and forward it to my gmail account?
15:35:13BoD[]just my -1 cents
15:35:26webguest75JdGordon: Can't you just instruct gmail to check it directly?
15:35:51*webguest75 could've sworn gmail could check mail in other accounts
15:36:42Paul_The_NerdGmail can check pop accounts.
15:37:09Paul_The_NerdAt least I thought it could...
15:37:14webguest75It can? I can't find how.. and it really surprises me
15:37:34JdGordonur comfused.. u can check gmail through pop.. but it cant check other pop accounts...
15:38:43webguest75Well not confused, I knew it could do outbound pop3, but assumed that it could also check pop3 mailboxes
15:38:55Paul_The_NerdI swear at an earlier point you could configure it to check various webmails and anything with POP3.
15:39:08webguest75Oh cool, they support +syntax
15:39:11Paul_The_NerdMaybe I'm dreaming of something else.
15:39:22webguest75so is sent to
15:39:47*webguest75 makes a mental note of that
15:41:02JdGordonquickscreen still needs work on the h300...
15:41:58BoD[]hey do "combo" still exist?
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15:42:19BoD[]I mean pressing two keys to change common settings
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15:44:23Mikachuheh, i just understoond _RC_ in button defs means remote control
15:45:49webguest75BoD[]: What is this feature?
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15:46:55BoD[]webguest75: I remember back in the days when I had an Archos, I could press two keys (forgot which ones) to cycle through random and repeat modes
15:47:19webguest75Ah.. might've been F-keys?
15:47:20BoD[]I'm wondering if that still exists and/or implemented on the ipod for example
15:47:34Mikachuthe ipod doesn't have nearly enough keys to do that
15:48:09BoD[]Mikachu: well for example menu+left could work ? :)
15:48:14BoD[]or menu+right
15:48:39webguest75that's practically what the quick-screen does, really
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15:49:02BoD[]webguest75: but you can't do it easily without looking at the screen (IMHO)
15:49:23Mikachuhow would you know which repeat mode you're in without looking?
15:49:24webguest75Seems like that'd be a matter of training
15:50:11BoD[]Mikachu: well if your song just repeated once, you're in repeat-one mode :)
15:50:33webguest75actually, couldn't the quick-screen be voiced?
15:50:39webguest75(maybe it is?)
15:51:05*Mikachu tries enabling ab-repeat for ipods
15:51:10Paul_The_NerdBoD[]: The only difference is that this way you don't have to hold two buttons at once. You toggle the quick screen, then change modes, then release the quick screen.
15:51:46BoD[]I agree
15:52:09t0masCassandra? on the devcon pictures you have a tablet pc, which brand/type is it?
15:52:33BoD[]hmm well I just used it now.. I have to see if I'm happy with it after using it longer :)
15:52:36t0masI'm looking for one... but I haven't found anything decent under 2200 euro...
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15:52:41t0maswhich is a little to much for me :)
15:52:54BoD[]but I remember I liked the combo system on the archos
15:53:00Mikachuhoho, it seems to work fine
15:53:03Paul_The_NerdBoD[]: Especially since trying to touch two places on the wheel often results in unintentional volume adjustments, I think single presses instead of combos is better
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15:53:38BoD[]ok that seems right
15:56:06Mikachui'm getting lots of random popups of "error accessing playlist control file"
15:56:14Jungti1234hi Mikachu
15:56:27webguest75Mikachu: recent build?
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15:56:30Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I think that's a bug that's been going around a bit lately.
15:56:36webguest75Mikachu: Using tagcache?
15:56:59Mikachunot using tagcache
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15:58:16Mikachuthere seems to be no ill effects though
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16:08:22webguest75Crikey, I may have found the answers to my replaygain related prayers:">
16:09:10blueycould anyone tell me what "NO VAT FROM USA" exactly means?
16:09:13Paul_The_Nerd"Scarcely tested"
16:09:47MikachuVAT is value added tax
16:10:12webguest75Paul_The_Nerd: Yeah, I'm being careful with i.. only tried it on copies for now..
16:10:35*webguest75 doesn't know python :-/
16:11:25webguest75I wonder how many programs can't read id3v2.4
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16:11:49Mikachuhm, it would seem ab-markers aren't cleared when changing tracks, is that on purpose?
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16:15:47iaudioRockboxer2loving rockbox on my new iaudio
16:17:17webguest75That script seems to work right on this test-album.. rockbox can read the replaygain values written to the tag, and the apetag is no longer there. Still a bit scared about the id3v2.4 thing though.
16:17:55Paul_The_Nerdid3v2.4 is generally considered more compatible than Ape, isn't it?
16:18:27webguest75Sure, but I meant in contrast to 2.3
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16:19:07webguest75It changes the existing tag (usually 2.3 in my case) into 2.4
16:19:29webguest75Works well with Rockbox at least :)
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16:19:58linuxstbamiconn: I think the WM8731 datasheet is available on Wolfson's website. There are no datasheets for the other ipod codecs, but we've been working with datasheets which appear to be close matches.
16:21:29linuxstbamiconn: Also, the only two solutions I've thought of to the bitmap problem are: 1) Delete the bitmap .a files before running AR on them (I don't know what impact this will have on build times); or 2) Create an extra directory level under (e.g.) apps/bitmaps/native/ for the different LCD sizes, which means that the .bmp files can all have the same name.
16:21:45linuxstb... or 3) Document the issue somewhere and don't attempt to fix it.
16:22:43linuxstbAlso, to continue my monologue, is the intention of the feature freeze that all iaudio/ipod specific development should stop?
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16:23:43Mooslinuxstb: IIRC LinusN said me he will continue X5 devlopement in parallel to bug hunt
16:23:55Paul_The_NerdWell, there was that comment about how it would be nice to see more people actually focusing on the purpose of the Feature Freeze relative to last time
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16:25:15linuxstbI agree that the focus should be on the release - almost all bug fixes there will benefit the "unreleased" ports as well. I was just wondering if cvs commits would be frowned upon if they related only to ipod or iaudio targets.
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16:27:18Mooslinuxstb: if you remenber, last bug freeze was a bit "prolificless" cause not a lot of dev hard worked to bugfixes, maybe just 3,4 pepoles
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16:29:59linuxstbMoos: I remember that. The difference was that was an Archos only release, and lots of the active developers either don't own Archoses, or are not familiar with that part of the code. People (including me) don't have the same excuse this time.
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16:33:48Mooslinuxstb: this time, if *more* dev will join working, 1 month may be a bit :)
16:34:10MoosHello webguest74
16:34:28webguest74How is it going?
16:35:10bluebrother^is there a difference between the mini 1g and 2g regarding the display size and depth?
16:35:24linuxstbMoos: I think that's optimistic, but there's nothing stopping an early release...
16:35:54webguest74Could i ask about the Iaudio X5 and sound? I was reading about people not been happy with it, is now not the case? and everything is sounding good?
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16:37:16Mooslinuxstb: I mean, not a lot of new bugs introcuded since last release, it's more bugfix for antiguos bugs
16:37:29Moosthat's why I'm optimistic :)
16:37:34nlswebguest74, I think that was fixed
16:37:49Moosyep sound working great
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16:38:00Paul_The_Nerdwebguest74: If you saw the thread in the forum, at the end it's pretty clear it's fixed.
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16:38:14webguest74I was unsure...
16:38:31Moosgot it a try and you'll see
16:38:45webguest74Anyway - what are you talking about in here then?
16:39:37Moosthe coming feature freeze
16:39:38linuxstbbluebrother^: No, the LCD size/depth (and the buttons) are identical on both minis. They may even end up with a single build in the future.
16:39:43JdGordonCassandra: u still keepiong an eye on the rockbox utility thread on the forums?
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16:40:56Paul_The_NerdHyperbit: Hold menu when you plug in the power adapter.
16:41:03Hyperbiti know^^
16:41:48webguest74With rockbox - in the furture, would the nav be based on ID3 Tags? Like on the Ipod, where you can go via artists or album etc etc...
16:42:20linuxstbwebguest74: You already have that option - TagCache
16:42:34webguest74Whats that?
16:42:37webguest74Any links?
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16:42:46linuxstbThe TagCache wiki page.
16:43:07webguest74O *Looks*
16:43:19Hyperbitis it possible to set up the 100mAh to 500 or Something more?
16:43:58HyperbitIpod Charging .. ;D
16:44:34Mikachuwe don't know how to control that yet
16:44:37webguest74This will sound silly - how do i get TagCache ?
16:44:50Mikachuwebguest74: set View Files to tags
16:44:56Paul_The_NerdHyperbit: I imagine that whenever someone figures out how to do better charging on the ipod, it'll get done. It's not like they're going to intentionally *not* put the changes in.
16:44:57nlsyou should already have it
16:45:19webguest74My last question - could Album art happen (A)?
16:45:26Mikachuit's also in progress
16:45:36webguest74How much %?
16:45:44Mikachuthere's a patch if you're feeling adventurous (sp?)
16:45:49webguest74And any links to watch?
16:46:01nlscheck the tracker
16:46:02Paul_The_NerdThe patch on the tracker
16:46:05webguest74haven't got a clue with patches xD
16:46:12webguest74o well :P
16:46:17webguest74some things r just not meant 2 b
16:46:34Paul_The_NerdWhat, that you have to wait maybe a few more months for it to be in CVS?
16:46:36Mikachuwebguest74: you can add yourself to watch the task on the tracker and you will get an email when it's updated
16:46:55webguest74o *will do that*
16:47:05Hyperbit=) ok, Posted an idea how to find out if a USB DATA or Power Cable is connectet (if Power Cable is Connected Data+ and Data- is on Ground) is that possible to notice due rockbox? ( so we dont have to push menu while plug on the usb cable)
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16:48:01webguest74name odd1
16:48:08webguest74\name odd1
16:48:19impatchAnyone know what the replaygain mode "Track if shuffling" does if not shuffling, and no album gain is defined?
16:48:22Paul_The_NerdWhat's odd about it?
16:48:35webguest74*im trying to change my name*
16:48:43Paul_The_NerdForward slash
16:48:45Paul_The_Nerd /
16:48:53Paul_The_NerdAnd it's /nick, right?
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16:49:09JdGordongnite guys
16:49:15Moosimpatch: if no no album gain, that will search for track gain if they are
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16:49:29Paul_The_Nerdimpatch: Probably the same thing that happens if you set it to just album and there's no album defined.
16:49:45impatchPaul_The_Nerd: which is.. track?
16:50:37odd is that for the album art? So i watch that?
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16:52:29Moosimpatch: always this way if no album gain, Rockbox will use track gain, and this for trackgain if shuffle, or if you set album gain and they er missing....
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16:54:39nlshmm maybe that should be in the manual...
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16:55:39Moosnls: indeed
16:58:14nlsheh it was already :)
16:58:30impatchThat'll teach me
16:58:40Mooshehe :-)
17:00:32impatchSo it is
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17:15:03nlsheh Brightness: Changes the contrast of your LCD display. ;-)
17:15:05*Mikachu throws some commutators at Lie-Algebra
17:15:42nlsshouldn't brightness change the brightness?
17:15:59impatchOne would assume so
17:17:33nlswell, I dont have more time for the this now.
17:19:56Lie-Algebrahi, I am installing rockbox on my 4g grayscale and when booting the apple firmware, the menu is displayed in reverse way : i need a mirror to look at it so that the image is correct...
17:20:06Lie-Algebrasee, its pretty funny ;o
17:20:10Mikachuthat's a known problem i think
17:20:39Lie-Algebrai still can use it but is a bit confusing ;p
17:21:14*impatch thought this was fixed
17:21:22impatchamiconn will be interested to hear this
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17:23:20amiconnLie-Algebra: It's a known problem. What I didn't know exactly was whether it is mirrored horizontally, vertically, or both on 4g
17:23:37amiconnNow I know that it's only mirrored horizontally, like on my mini 2g
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17:25:50Lie-Algebrastrange behavior, it doesnt seem to be very logical, I mean an expectable issue..
17:30:29KohlrabiI just discovered the "reduce ticking" option in remote-LCD-settings on my H120, what das ist do?
17:32:13Farpenoodlei was just listening to a podcast on my 2g mini and i noticed clicking... and it would seem that rockbox is resampling everything to 44.1khz
17:32:21Farpenoodleand i was wondering if this was necessary
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17:32:54Kohlrabis/das ist/does it
17:33:43Farpenoodleit would seem so
17:34:05Farpenoodlei tried a 22khz file and the clicking wasn't present
17:38:34linuxstbFarpenoodle: Yes, currently Rockbox resamples everything to 44.1KHz - because that's all the iriver (and iaudio I think) targets can handle. But the ipods can handle all the common samplerates, so that's planned to be changed.
17:39:45amiconn..and I have to add that our resampler is rather crappy
17:39:53amiconn*current resampler
17:40:13Mikachui guess that's for after the freeze?
17:40:35bluebrother^are there the player model images avaliable in some bigger size?
17:40:36amiconnI would like to have a better resampler in 3.0 for iriver...
17:41:01bluebrother^I mean the images used e.g. on the daily builds page.
17:42:33Mikachui guess most of my music is 44khz
17:42:38Farpenoodleapart from the podcast thing rockbox is awesome
17:44:01amiconnMikachu: For that single point pcm playback on archos is currently better than on iriver/iPod. The archos pcm codec handles all common sample rates, and wavplay.rock uses this feature...
17:45:06Mikachui guess that's more interesting if you can record
17:45:28amiconnYes, that should be possible as well
17:45:38Mikachui heard the nano doesn't have any linein
17:45:39amiconnWe 'just' need to be fast enough..
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17:47:51Mikachubut i guess you can connect most things through usb if you ever figure out how it works
17:48:48warthawgdoes anyone know where i left my ipod's usb cable?
17:48:56Mikachuthe fridge
17:49:01warthawghmmm could be
17:49:04warthawgi'll check
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17:58:45paulheuI have a(nother) C question?!
17:58:51paulheuanyone here to help?
17:59:13paulheuhey.. what makes bool gui_sync_wps_has_albumart(); differ from bool gui_sync_wps_has_albumart(void); ?
17:59:30paulheuThe first gives me 'no prototype warnings when I build
17:59:35paulheuteh second is fine
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18:00:37paulheubut I wonder if it makes a difference in execution
18:00:39stripwaxevery function prototype has to specify the type of the args, I guess. The first doesn't, the second does
18:00:52Mikachui'm not sure if it makes a difference in the code, but you should put (void) instead of ()
18:01:23paulheuAH.. so (void) is the same as () but it just tells explicitly there is nothing there?
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18:01:52paulheumenaing no arguments are expected
18:02:45stripwaxYes : argument of type "void" means 'no arguments'.
18:03:03stripwax(in the same way that return type of type 'void' means 'this function doesn't return a value')
18:03:19paulheuOK.. makes sense I guess..
18:04:29paulheuthanks.. I was building wit hthe new album art build and got a lot of the warnings.. and sortof expected I had to add the void bit.. cool..
18:04:56Slasheriexcept void* that is just a pointer to any type of data
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18:05:05stripwaxgood point.
18:05:17stripwaxvoid* really annoys me
18:06:01Slasheriit's useful on some places
18:06:02paulheuwell it still means the same, jus in a different context (I guess)
18:06:31Slasherifor example memcpy function expects void* data that can be a struct, char array etc.
18:07:37amiconnpaulheu: If you call a function with just () and you get a 'no prototype' warning, you forgot to include the declaration
18:09:48paulheuamiconn: actually it is the declaration that is causing the warning
18:10:22amiconnThe declaration needs the explicit (void)
18:10:26paulheuchanging () to (void) makes the warning go away
18:10:41warthawgwhew, i found it. a minor miracle.
18:10:52paulheuyeah so I figured.. somehow C is kinda logical..;)
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18:14:05Paul_The_NerdUgh. Why are the most common questions about playing *games* on the iPod? There are so many portable game systems out there that run games infinitely better, and it's all "How do I use Rockboy?" and "Are you suuuuuure Doom doesn't work?"
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18:18:18skwadis it possible that something not working on the sim works on the player ?
18:18:21*petur slaps his irc client
18:18:28Paul_The_NerdVery possible
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18:19:38warthawgare there instructions for setting up triple boot with apple os, ipodlinux, and rockbox?
18:20:00warthawgon a nano, that is
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18:20:15Paul_The_NerdPut an ext2 or ext3 partition on your ipod. Put the linux root filesystem in it. Put a new version of podzilla on it, overwriting the old. Copy the kernel .bin file to the fat32 partition named linux.bin
18:20:16warthawgi keep forgetting rockbox is primarily for a whole nother piece of hardware
18:20:32warthawgi've got all that, Paul_The_Nerd
18:20:35Paul_The_NerdThat's it.
18:20:48Paul_The_NerdHold Play while booting, like you hold Menu for retail
18:21:16Paul_The_NerdIt's pretty simple as long as "create an ext2 partition" doesn't stump you. :)
18:22:23warthawgi already had ipodlinux on the nano
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18:23:11Paul_The_NerdI installed iPodLinux alongside my Rockbox on Nano for less than 30 minutes
18:23:21Mikachufor or in?
18:24:03Paul_The_NerdI learned how to do it to make sure it worked, before it had really been tested much / at all.
18:24:26Paul_The_NerdThen I removed it. At the moment my Nano has less than 10mb free space. Not really enough for a linux installation.
18:25:01warthawgdoes iDoom play on Rockbox?
18:25:16Mikachui have it in the gap between the boot and fat partition, for better or for worse
18:25:50stripwaxwarthawg - Rockbox games run on Rockbox. No others. iDoom is an ipodlinux thing. Doom has been ported to Rockbox.
18:26:09warthawgthanks, stripwax
18:26:34Paul_The_NerdDoom on Rockbox doesn't work on iPod right now though
18:26:58Kohlrabi<Paul_The_Nerd> Ugh. Why are the most common questions about playing *games* on the iPod? | same with mobile phones ;)
18:27:45skwadI have to build <N>ormal no ?
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18:28:31Paul_The_NerdIf you're building for a player, yes
18:29:41warthawgKohlrabi, games are for sissies! well, sissies and me :)
18:31:00skwad"warning : function declaration is not a prototype" should not cause any problem ?
18:31:01KohlrabiI like games too
18:31:11KohlrabiBut I'd never want to play on my H120
18:31:17stripwaxKohlrabi - why not?
18:31:30Kohlrabibecause the controls are ... unfitting
18:31:35stripwaxskwad - it's a warning. what's the code?
18:31:45Kohlrabiand I don't like gameboy games much anyways :)
18:31:57Kohlrabior breakout games
18:32:02Kohlrabior space invaders
18:32:25stripwaxskwad - i mean: what does the line of code that caused that warning look loik
18:32:47stripwaxKohlrabi - or pac man?
18:32:50Paul_The_NerdI like puzzle games on my portables.
18:33:02Paul_The_NerdGames that require no fast reflexes that can be hobbled by awkward controls
18:33:18skwadstripwax : i don't know I'm compiling
18:33:27KohlrabiFor that, I have my theoretical physics exercises :)
18:33:51stripwaxskwad - there should at least be a line number and a file name.. unfortunately I'm not a mind reader
18:33:56amiconnPaprica: r u around?
18:34:00KohlrabiI like strategy games, I don't see any good coming for any console
18:34:19Paul_The_NerdStrategy Games and Consoles don't mix
18:34:20stripwaxKohlrabi - hrm, a port of Chaos would rock
18:34:22skwadjust 2s stripwax
18:34:25Paul_The_NerdYou almost need a mouse input.
18:34:35skwad$ make install
18:34:36skwadmake: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
18:34:43Paul_The_NerdThough the Nintendo DS, and probably the Revolution with both be suitable for strat games.
18:34:49Paul_The_NerdYou don't make install a N build
18:34:51Paul_The_NerdYou make zip
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18:35:15Paul_The_NerdThat creates a .zip that's just like the ones you download
18:35:15skwadso I just make ../tools/configure -> make -> make zip ?
18:35:41peturunless it's a sim, then you do make install
18:35:57skwadit's because before I was always making a sim ^^
18:36:15stripwaxmake zip works for sim too (but you need to unzip afterwards ;-))
18:37:55skwadso now let's give a try :p
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18:43:10skwaddoesn't work :'(
18:43:45stripwaxin what way "doesn't work"?
18:44:04skwadI tried the album art patch
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18:45:03stripwaxskwad - yes, and it what way doesn't it work?
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18:45:28skwadI made a wps with juste the %C tag or album art
18:45:35skwadand I don't see anything on the screen
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18:45:59Paul_The_NerdYou have the proper bmps and everything?
18:46:18skwadI did a 24bit 150*150 bmp
18:46:28preglowamiconn: to get the button driver working in the bootloader, you'd probably need to enable interrupts
18:47:01Paul_The_Nerdskwad: Isn't the size limit 125x125 or 100x100? Or did they up it again?
18:47:04stripwaxskwad - pretty sure it has to be 100x100
18:47:19amiconnpreglow: I wonder why the iPod button driver needs interrupts at all. Can't we just poll the buttons like we do on all other targets?
18:47:27skwadThe bitmaps have to be smaller than 125x125 pixels to fit in the buffer
18:47:39skwadhum now I don't remember what size I did :S
18:47:42preglowamiconn: please do try, we haven't been able to make a good polling driver yet
18:47:47skwadjust changed it to 100x100
18:48:02preglowamiconn: it is possible, however, since apple does it in their flash code
18:48:08skwad100*100 working ^^
18:48:12stripwaxthere ya go
18:48:16amiconnpreglow: An interrupt related question: Where are the actual isrs for ipod? Are you sure all necessary registers are saved?
18:49:27preglowamiconn: the actual master isr is in system.c
18:49:38preglowamiconn: and just relays requests on based on which interrupt it is
18:49:49preglowamiconn: then you've got one isr in kernel.c, one in buttons.c and one in timer.c
18:49:53preglowthat's all i can think of
18:50:05preglowthe actual master master isr is in crt0.S :-)
18:50:10preglowi plan to clean that up some day
18:51:43skwadyear 125x125 is just nice, it take much of the 160x128 x5 screen ^^
18:52:33*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why you ever tried to set it to 150x150 on that screen
18:53:10stripwaxwould be nice if the album art was scalable i.e. didn't matter what size the bmp was.
18:53:40skwadyear Paul_The_Nerd I too wonder why I did 150*150, I thought I had 125x125
18:58:22sharpehello everyone...
18:58:57stripwaxhow's the maze? :-)
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18:59:10sharpeum... the same as it was last time? :)
18:59:24sharpebeen working on a few other things :D
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19:01:55sharpebut i did finish the packaged wps plugin...
19:06:45bluebrother^RedBreva: still here?
19:06:50skwadthey must be packaged in .tar right ?
19:08:29sharpewell, for what the rockbox devs plan on doing, yeh.
19:11:40sharpethis however, uses the zip format...
19:12:27skwadand it works already ?
19:13:04skwadlol then I will patch it for my rockbox :p
19:13:38sharpethe funny thing is, without a patch to the doom source, doom won't compile because of it :)
19:14:19skwaddid you put it in the patchtracker ?
19:14:23sharpenot yet
19:14:30sharpejust going over it...
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19:16:56sharpeonly the zips have to be uncompressed, but it shouldn't be much of a problem...
19:17:56sharpenot just yet, checking if it compiles and works again :)
19:18:14sharpethen i shall have it in the patchtracker...
19:18:26sharpemuahaha... heh...
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19:24:04bam_how would one make a request? for a software change/suggestion?
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19:24:46bam_like bringing up the plugins menu with the record button....h120
19:25:07webguest26Ah, button assignment issues is probalby not good to put on the tracker
19:25:45bam_well then how would one get this done...err or considered?
19:26:33webguest26Bring it up for discussion on the mailinglist, probably.. it's kind of a sore thumb though
19:27:01bam_I take it button assignments are a bear to deal with
19:27:23webguest26More like 5 bears and an orca
19:27:40bam_perhaps a nice *.conf file so users can assign thier own buttons?
19:28:30peturnope, already discussed
19:28:39peturthat would be a support nightmare
19:28:46webguest26That'd require _major_ changes and create a host of problems regarding support
19:29:30bam_or just maybe let the record be assignable
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19:30:07bam_actually if the plugin menu was assigned to it playlists would be alot simpler
19:30:30peturI personally feel something for programmable function keys for targets that have more than enough buttons
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19:31:48bam_ok, how about the record button that runs a button (macro) file that simulates all the needed pushbuttons
19:32:00bam_that would be a little simpler
19:32:54bam_push the button , if the macro exists, parse the file into its pushbutton interface
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19:33:55bam_you get the idea
19:35:23sharpethere, added it to the patch tracker
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19:44:52*webguest26 notes 2 3.0 bugs that can be closed
19:45:36webguest262387 and 2388 are both fixed in splitedit.c r1.16
19:45:49amiconnPaprica: The brickmania help text needs updating. Some extras are not explained.
19:46:02t0masCassandra is the bug wizard atm right? :)
19:46:04amiconnAlso, I would like the text to be reformatted to the screen width
19:46:30amiconnAnd the topping would be bitmaps for the iPod mini lcd ;)
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19:52:58preglowamiconn: tried making grayscale lib work yet?
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19:56:18sharpewell, my patch compiles correctly against the latest cvs build...
19:57:03sharpeand it works correctly...
19:57:35sharpeand doom still crashes like it should :)
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19:58:16bam_good to be consistent
19:59:19webguest26"Playlist control file invalid"
19:59:38*webguest26 wonders how they're supposed to look
20:01:46bluebrother^is the player sim not capable of saving screenshots?
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20:05:17sharpei feel like i've acomplished something now :)
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20:09:25webguest26Hrm, this .playlist_control is pretty corrupted.. null characters and other goodies in it
20:09:59webguest26eh, no
20:10:06webguest26vim was acting up
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20:12:42webguest26Starts with TCH\0x01\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n then part of the path
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20:15:06tucozbluebrother^, nice work. Glad you are on the team
20:15:40tucozand the player sim can not save screenshots
20:17:07bluebrother^hi tucoz :)
20:17:20bluebrother^I need two screenshots of the player.
20:17:37tucozis it possible that you can use the screenshots from the old manual?
20:17:41bluebrother^do you have any idea how I can show the id3 screen on the player sim?
20:18:00tucozIt is possible that you can find that from the 2.4 manual
20:18:20bluebrother^the old used the screenshot from the recorder.
20:18:48bluebrother^atm \screenshot is really doing a great job −− I can now grep for missing images.
20:19:06tucozhmm, amiconn talked about implementing screenshot for the player-sim
20:19:17tucozcool. Very good work :)
20:19:21bluebrother^if I just could get the sim to show the id3 screen I could use gimp to catch it.
20:19:36bluebrother^table stuff is still waiting.
20:20:16tucozok, but there has been some pretty good progress lately
20:20:51tucozI am not on linux at the moment.
20:20:59tucozso I can not try the player sim
20:21:33bluebrother^the problem is the player sim can't play sound, so I can't get to the wps and therefore not to the id3 screen.
20:22:11tucozI see.
20:22:24tucozmaybe wait for amiconn and ask him what to do
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20:24:03tucozor cassandra, as she wrote the 2.4 manual
20:24:08bluebrother^I'm just going for the missing video screens.
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20:25:53tucozthe macrofying of the manual was a real good move.
20:27:07bluebrother^I fully agree with that.
20:27:23bluebrother^btw, I looked around for a latex2html replacement.
20:27:38bluebrother^latex2html fails badly on \opt (and many more)
20:27:42tucozI read that.
20:27:54sharpelatex3html! :D
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20:28:07sharperandom thing
20:28:09bluebrother^hevea failed even badly :(
20:28:15sharpelatex4html sounds better
20:28:29bluebrother^tex4ht looks pretty good
20:28:42bluebrother^but it produces only one big file.
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20:28:57bluebrother^and doesn't recognize our button macros.
20:28:58tucozDoes that work with opts as well?
20:29:26linuxstbsharpe: Like Bagder, I'm not sure what the purpose of your wpz plugin is. The main problem we have with WPSs is that they are too slow to load (lots of small files), and your patch just adds to that slowness by extracting the contents of the zip to a temporary directory and then loading it in the normal slow way.
20:30:16bluebrother^the opts work fine, so I'd say it would be a good start.
20:30:41bluebrother^it fails on the new \marginpar stuff, but this could be \if'ed away.
20:30:54tucozcool, did you do anything special or was it just a standard run of the tool?
20:31:23preglowlinuxstb: sure? did you try it? not having to do open() all the time should cut a bit off the load time
20:32:08tucozhighly customizable (tex4ht) sounds good
20:32:12bluebrother^just a standard run.
20:32:35bluebrother^so I have the hope we can fix the button stuff without too much pain.
20:32:37sharpemmaybe it was a bad idea using the words, "temp directory," as some people may think it gets deleted every time the player is turned off...
20:33:04sharpei think i am becoming dyslexic.
20:33:23preglowlinuxstb: forget that...
20:33:48preglowi want wpses with pre-converted bitmaps, please
20:33:53tucozgot to go, see you in a few days
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20:34:28stripwaxhow about a preconverter which runs the first you load the wps?
20:34:33sharpethat's kind of funny... "I noticed the screens[] conflict as well, but due to another patch I use.. Funny enough I did the exact same thing (change screens[] to dscreens[] in doom code)"
20:37:38linuxstbsharpe: Also, which player(s) have you tested your patch on? I can't see any code to deal with different endianness.
20:37:48preglowwhat, they're having the baby now?
20:38:14preglowstripwax: i'd kinda like a preconverter that converted bitmaps and packed everything into one file
20:38:20preglowstripwax: smooth load every time
20:38:22stripwaxyep, something like that
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20:38:30preglowstripwax: we should also support the old way, of course, for quick wps testing
20:38:59stripwaxwell, the preconverter would really just be a cache.
20:39:33stripwaxBrowsing for wps would just be 'the old way', which would then produce the converted-and-packed file along the way when you load the wps
20:39:38stripwaxI guess
20:40:30linuxstbBut then you still have to check the original files to see if they have changed before using the cached version.
20:41:07preglowwhich will destroy the entire point of everything
20:41:19linuxstbThis would be easy if someone wrote a nice PC application to design and test WPSs....
20:41:33RedBrevabluebrother^: Is there anything in particular you want me to be work on (manual wise) over the next few days?
20:41:35preglowlinuxstb: you know if the code is easily portable to something else than rockbox, then?
20:42:26linuxstbpreglow: what code?
20:42:54Bgerbluebrother^ am i wrong or the "footnote" of the manual should be "user's manual" and not "users manual" ?
20:43:13linuxstbusers' manual?
20:44:50Bgerlinuxstb u're the native speaker ...
20:45:19linuxstbYes, but most non-native English speakers have spent more time learning grammar than I have...
20:45:50linuxstbBut I think "Users' manual" is right - assuming we have more than one user.
20:45:59preglowlinuxstb: wps code
20:46:09webguest26In my mind, "users manual" refers to a single user
20:46:15webguest26"(the) user's manual"
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20:46:27muesliiii know a guy from london who writes like a 1st class boy. and he got a master degree at the uni
20:46:32webguest26That didn't clarify anything
20:46:52Bgerwebguest26 i think this way too
20:47:14RedBrevauser's manual = the manual of the user users' manual = the manuals of the users
20:47:42webguest26What RedBreva said.
20:47:46RedBrevawhoops: the manual of the users
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20:48:07webguest26And I think the first is the one usually needed
20:48:34preglowi think user's manual makes the most sense
20:48:50stripwaxlinuxstb - you wouldn't need to check the original files to see if they have changed. You would just reload the WPS if you have changed it. in my opinion, of course.
20:48:50bluebrother^RedBreva: nothing specific. I want to concentrate on cleaning up the macro stuff so the text itself isn't that important for me now.
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20:50:29bluebrother^Bger: afair most english manuals I read used the "users manual" (at the moment of reading it _is_ only one user, namely the reader)
20:51:08preglowin which case it should be user's manual
20:51:17obouser is manual?
20:51:31bluebrother^user (ha)'s manual :)
20:51:41sharpewhy not just do, "User/User's/Users' Manual" ?
20:51:42Bgergoogle search:
20:51:45BgerResults 1 - 10 of about 5,330,000 for "user's manual".
20:51:51BgerResults 1 - 10 of about 1,990,000 for "users' manual"
20:51:58preglow's is genitive
20:52:10sharpecatch-all phrase :)
20:52:51webguest26What preglow said. "user's" can mean "user is" or "of or belonging to the user"
20:53:22bluebrother^ translates me to "user guide", "user's guide" and "user manual"
20:53:54webguest26User manual sounds wrong to me
20:54:36webguest26Not a native speaker, so it's not like that matters much.
20:55:18bluebrother^what was this quote from ... uuuh ... one of the british royals?
20:55:33bluebrother^"The world language is not english. It's bad english"
20:55:53muesliiiBger had any luck with the lcd remote?
20:56:01Bgermuesliii hah
20:56:15muesliiihoh :-)
20:56:27RedBrevaGiven that 98% of native English speakers don't know correct use of the apostrope, not too sure anyone will really notice ;-)
20:56:38Bgerare you asking about the button mappings?
20:56:49bluebrother^Prince Charles if Google doesn't fool me.
20:57:00muesliiiRedBreva whats the rule? im curious either :-)
20:57:19Bgermuesliii this won't happen till after the 3.0 release
20:57:34muesliiiooh ;-/
20:57:40RedBrevathe simplest explanation i found was here :
20:59:05RedBrevaShould remote buttons be in the H120/140 manual? What about the H340 and the X5 or any other hardware with a remote option?
20:59:12muesliiiBger but it was working with the experimental build once upon a time
20:59:33sharpewell... i'm going to just... shut up for now... as i feel bad and i don't think anyone wishes to hear any more of my ideas :D i'll be here if anyone needs me.
20:59:38Bgermuesliii there is a new patch on the tracker, but it does it in a really silly way
21:00:29muesliiito be honest...i dont care but yearning for a proper working remote. since i got it there are problems :o
21:00:53*linuxstb thinks the manual is for more than one user, so it is the Users' manual. But I also think we should be using "iPod"...
21:01:33preglowwhich disqualifies you from all further discussion relating to typography and language!
21:01:38Bger <= muesliii here
21:01:42RedBrevaMaybe Remote should be an appendix?
21:01:49linuxstbpreglow: Yes, me and the Oxford English Dictionary...
21:01:55bluebrother^I just was thinking of this too.
21:01:56preglownever liked the thing anyway
21:02:28preglowi definitely don't get how that can be oxford publishing's stance, i thought they were a fairly clever bunch
21:02:53RedBrevaAre we ever likely to get the option to 'screendump' the remote?
21:03:01bluebrother^or are there any plugins / viewers / whatever that make a difference between the buttons? I.e. they don't match directly?
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21:04:03muesliiididnt lose oxford the race today?
21:04:24preglowlet's just let everyone break grammar whenever they want to and say it's alright
21:04:31preglowwould be a fun experiment if nothing else
21:04:43webguest26I!!!!! agreE
21:04:47sharpeit's what everyone does anyway...
21:05:05RedBrevaNo, actually Oxford won...
21:05:18bluebrother^Bger: is there no interest for or has it problems?
21:06:14bluebrother^as the remote is said to be supported I think plugins shouldn't have broken text on it.
21:06:22muesliiiRedBreva mk..but rockbox shouldnt be more the pope than the pope (hope, its understandable)
21:07:38RedBreva? :)
21:07:50amiconnBagder: You can now add an iPod mini 2G sim build :-)
21:08:15muesliiiRedBreva means, it doesnt have to be over-correct :-)
21:08:22muesliiimore blue than blue ;)
21:08:31bluebrother^it's a german saying.
21:08:35RedBrevaAh OK...
21:08:41Bgerbluebrother^ heh
21:08:45Bgeri'll commit it now
21:08:54bluebrother^great :)
21:09:11muesliiibluebrother^ ;)
21:09:12Bgerwanted to add size & size on disk things
21:09:45bluebrother^I thought about adding something like "music files"
21:09:49Bgerbut won't be able to do it till the freeze
21:10:16Bgerah, the last one is easy probably
21:10:40bluebrother^I just haven't looked into it anymore ...
21:10:40Bgerat least i can implement it in a buggy way and fix it after midnight :D
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21:12:50bluebrother^has anyone the player images from the website in a better resolution?
21:14:06MassaHi everybody!
21:14:07bluebrother^like the ones in uisimulator/sdl but without the added keys?
21:14:36Bgerbluebrother^ try asking amiconn and/or Bagder
21:14:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:14:44BoD[]ph3Ar my new themes for the ipod: (at the bottom of the page)
21:14:52bluebrother^too bad amiconn just left.
21:15:07bluebrother^but it's not that important.#
21:18:31BoD[](do you like it?)
21:19:39webguest26Haha, an Ubuntu theme, using the new Orange Human
21:20:37MassaPaprica, are you here?
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21:25:10linuxstbHere's a nasty test file for Rockbox - an MP3 with a 680KB PNG file in the id3v2 tag:
21:25:10stripwaxIs there a context menu option to simply "view file details" e.g. creation date/time, tags and length for audio files, size for other files, etc?
21:25:44stripwaxlinuxstb - was that encoded by musicmatch?
21:25:54bluebrother^whats this?
21:25:58bluebrother^cvs update: Updating PC
21:25:58bluebrother^U PC/ss-fm-radio-screen-112x64x1.png
21:25:58bluebrother^U PC/ss-fm-radio-screen-160x128x2.png
21:26:00linuxstbstamppot: It was encoded by the devil himself...
21:26:20bluebrother^upon a cvs up -dP manual ... has somebody an idea what caused this?
21:26:51preglowby some malign entity wishing evil on all humankind
21:27:15peturwhat, Bill Gates himself? :D
21:27:16linuxstbThe lyrics are there as well...
21:27:36webguest26Lyrics make a lot more sense than albumart, really
21:28:19bluebrother^but a fresh checkout works fine.
21:29:20stripwaxbluebrother^ - "works fine"? what's wrong with updating the files when you did cvs up -dP? looks like it did the right thing to me
21:29:27*bluebrother^ is really puzzled.
21:30:00linuxstbRockbox shouldn't freeze whilst trying to play that mp3 file though...
21:30:10bluebrother^stripwax: but why is it updating a directory "PC"? Haven't had this one before, and the files are supposed to get somewhere else.
21:30:33peturalbum art inside the song makes no sense at all
21:30:37bluebrother^its exactly the files of my last commit.
21:30:41stripwax"get somewhere else"? My guess would be, someone cvs added a new directory called PC, and when you did cvs up -dP it updated it. what's the problem?
21:30:53bluebrother^may this be caused by cervisia not recognizing them to be binary?
21:31:25bluebrother^I did a "cvs up -dP manual" to only update the manual module ...
21:32:00bluebrother^and I can't find these PC folder with the web cvs
21:32:27stripwaxah. weird, indeed.
21:33:05bluebrother^if I forget to add binary files as binaries, what can happen?
21:33:12preglowlots of neat stuff
21:33:14bluebrother^cvs converts all "linebreaks"?
21:33:31bluebrother^or something like that? This was the first time I used cervisia to add the files.
21:33:31preglowif you convert binary files as ascii files, you should remove and recommit
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21:34:01bluebrother^I even don't know if I did ... :(
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21:34:51linuxstbbluebrother^: Have a look at the CVS/Entries file in the directory containing your bitmaps. That lists which ones have been added with -kb.
21:36:13bluebrother^linuxstb: should I look in this strange PC folder or the actual cvs tree?
21:37:30bluebrother^ah ok ... seems they got added without -kb :(
21:37:55bluebrother^so I am supposed to remove and readd them? Or is there a different way to revert?
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21:40:00linuxstbbluebrother^: I think removing and readding is the only way.
21:43:17Massapetur: something is strange with the included album art - in some programs it looks O.K. in others it's pixel garbage???
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21:56:59kalmarkhi all
21:57:23kalmarkare any devs around and watching here? :)
21:59:28sharpeonly if you chant their names a lot
21:59:55kalmarkhehe :)
22:00:05kalmarkI only want to say something that should not be lost :)
22:00:25stripwaxwell, the irc logs are kept around. what's on your mind?
22:01:26kalmarkIRC logs are kept, yep, I was just scanning one of them :) One guy wrote a link which had some specsheets and internal photos of an MPIO HD300
22:01:39kalmarkand well maybe that should get into the wiki or something
22:02:26kalmark(and as far as I can see noone really responded to him at that time)
22:03:05linuxstbYou could add them to the wiki yourself :)
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22:04:25kalmarkif I registered, yes :) But I don't understand what the codes like "SCF5249PB" CPU mean, and the guy only hosts his files at his server, not linking to manufacturers
22:04:38kalmarkand without a manufecturer, a product code ain't worth much
22:05:00kalmarkmaybe someone knows these or something
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22:05:42peturwell that must be a coldfire cpu...
22:05:44stripwaxSCF5249B is a Samsung coldfile CPU
22:05:58sharpeanyone else use google?
22:06:27linuxstbYes, the wiki already says that the hd300 is very similar to the iriver h1x0/h3x0 and iaudio x5:
22:06:37kalmarkit definitely says so
22:07:00kalmarkbut I guess devs would need more info than that :)
22:07:27linuxstbkalmark: Do you own a HD300?
22:07:35kalmarkI do
22:07:47b00st4how much power the battery of ipod 5g 60gig has?
22:07:52kalmarkI should disassemble it, right? :D
22:08:01linuxstbYep :) You know the response...
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22:08:37kalmarkI don't want to blow my warranty :) but that site has pics, I will try to put those on the wiki
22:08:40*stripwax oopses
22:08:50sharpeohes noes!
22:09:03ivan`anyone know how to make an iaudio x5 battery pack?
22:09:04linuxstbBut you really need to find one or more HD300 owners with programming skills willing to try a port. I'm sure the existing Rockbox developers will help, but you are unlikely to be able to persuade anyone who doesn't own a HD300 to start the port.
22:09:08b00st4what does the option party-modus mean?
22:09:17ivan`i think 4.8 V on 4.5 V will be safe
22:09:27kalmarkhmm that sounds reasonanle, linuxstb
22:09:27stripwaxb00st4 - you mean "party mode"?
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22:11:11stripwaxb00st4 - read the rockbox manual!
22:11:22b00st4^^, thx
22:12:40sharpeat least it wasn't "rtfm"
22:12:45sharpewith no link
22:13:21Mikachui don't see anyone complaining?
22:13:39kalmarkokay, call me a noob, but where should I click to add a new wiki page?
22:13:51Mikachujust go to your wanted url
22:13:55sharpeif you try to go to the page, you'll get a link to create it
22:14:01kalmarkoh! okay
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22:14:58MOoGhello all
22:16:02sharpewow... it's so not useful, but it's so interesting...
22:16:34MOoGwhere can i find a rockdoom version for ipod?
22:16:48Mikachuyou can't!
22:16:49sharpeGoogle's "Eyes" content for the Google homepage...
22:16:52sharpeit crashes
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22:17:21sharpeer, not the google thing, the doom for ipods at the moment.
22:17:36sharpedata alignment error...
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22:19:10MOoGand videos or rockboy?
22:19:33sharpeno videos yet, rockboy works... i think...
22:20:05MOoGon ipod?
22:20:29MOoGwhere i can find rockboy?
22:20:46sharperockboy should already be with the rockbox install...
22:21:27sharpeit's not as a plugin, it's as a viewer plugin if i remember correctly
22:21:29*petur expects the 'where can I find roms' question
22:21:31webguest26It is, you just "play" a .gb or .gbc file
22:22:24linuxstbMOoG: Which ipod do you have?
22:22:37linuxstbThen you're out of luck...
22:23:21linuxstb(Rockboy doesn't work on the Nano at the moment)
22:23:34MOoGbut Sigh :'
22:23:36linuxstbRockbox can play music though...
22:23:36BHSPitLappyMOoG: try iBoy-nano with linux
22:23:43sharpeinsert wah, waahh, waaahhh noise here.
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22:23:55MOoGi have ipodlinux too..
22:24:07MOoGand i have problem whit pacman...
22:24:10BHSPitLappyMOoG: the controls are better than rockboys' anyway ;)
22:24:36sharpewell, there is pacbox for rockbox... i don't know if it works on the nano...
22:24:39MOoGi create a folder on .rockbox called pacman and put rom
22:25:15linuxstbMOoG: Did you follow the instructions?
22:25:18sharpedo you have the correct roms for it?
22:25:27stripwaxpacbox wfm
22:25:32MOoGbut when i try yo load it roms in pacman
22:26:11Genre9mp3Just a quick question.... 16bit bmps aren't supported?
22:26:13stripwaxsounds like you don't have all the roms
22:26:35stripwaxGenre9mp3 - is that a question or a statement? If it's a question, is the answer "no?" ok?
22:26:54MOoGcorrect rom is...
22:27:13stripwaxyou need *all* the roms.
22:27:17linuxstbMOoG: Did you follow the instructions?
22:27:28sharpedeja vu? :P
22:27:42linuxstball over again...
22:27:58stripwaxMOoG - I believe there are 14 rom files. Do you have them all?
22:28:14sharpeyou only need the six stated on the wiki page
22:28:29stripwaxer. yeah. what sharpe said.
22:28:31preglowwhat is album art bitmap files supposed to be called with the current patch?
22:28:33Genre9mp3I converted 24bit bmps of a wps to 16bit and now the bmps do not load, so I guess 16bit bmps aren't supported. Is this right?
22:28:54stripwaxGenre9mp3 - sounds reasonable
22:29:06kkurbjunis there something in rockbox that is forcing cpu boost on a plugin load, I've tried disabling the cpu_boost calls in doom but every time I exit the plugin the cpu it boosted to 1, it's odd though because if I run doom again with the boost already up, it still shows up as 1 on exit
22:29:09MOoGi have pacman.5e .5f .6e .6f .6j .6h
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22:29:34Genre9mp3stripwax: Why this is reasonable?
22:29:39stripwaxMOoG and do the MD5 check out ok?
22:30:03stripwaxGenre9mp3 - it sounds reasonable that 16bit bmps are not supported, given that you tried them, and they didn't work.
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22:30:11kalmark Done :)
22:30:14Mikachuonly 24bit bmps work
22:30:14MOoGi follow instruction on wiki page
22:30:16stripwaxI don't know for a fact
22:30:57stripwaxMOoG - good. If you follow all the instructions correctly, pacbox will now work.
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22:31:11MOoGwhat version of pacman work?
22:31:25MOoGanyone have link to download?
22:31:30kkurbjunamiconn, I have all the high/low resolution code in doom, if you still were planning on changing the scaling code it's in v_video.c mainly under V_DrawMemPatch.
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22:31:47linuxstbIf pacbox is telling you there are no roms, then either the roms have the wrong names, or they are in the wrong directory.
22:31:52stripwaxMOoG - dude. What does it say on that wiki page? Did you check the MD5 sums on the files?
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22:32:20Genre9mp3Ok...just let you know...with the recent album art patch changes, the album art bmp is stored in the wps bmp buffer. This makes album art not working in some wpses (cause the buffer is almost full)
22:32:44stripwaxMOoG - btw we will not give you a link to download arcade roms
22:32:47MOoGno i don't check MD5
22:33:00stripwaxok. try checking them.
22:33:05sharpebut, with the knowledge of google you shalt findeth them.
22:34:07stripwaxMOoG - with an MD5 generator. google for one if you don't have one and/or if you don't know what one is
22:34:56Genre9mp3about the wps buffer, i can say that is about 250.000 bytes....anyone confirm this?
22:35:04linuxstbpacbox doesn't check the MD5s - if pacbox is telling you there are no roms, then it simply means it can't find the files.
22:35:34linuxstbSo you haven't put them in /.rockbox/pacman/
22:35:47linuxstb(or they don't have the correct filenames)
22:35:51b00st4any advantages on brining doom to ipod?
22:35:58MOoGi create afolder called pacman in .rockbox
22:36:01stripwaxlinuxstb - I was thinking 'or they're corrupted', maybe I'm wrong
22:36:13Genre9mp3Isn't it /.rockbox/games/pacman/ ??
22:36:56Genre9mp3I place them in /.rockbox/games/pacman/ and works fine
22:37:03amiconnkkurbjun: The scaling looks all different than it did when I looked last time. Iirc the scaling was doen in i_video.c ...
22:37:04sharpefor doom it's just /games/doom/...
22:37:08stripwaxhrm, was the location moved?
22:37:21sharpelets see...
22:37:26b00st4where do i get these roms?
22:37:27linuxstbGenre9mp3: That's a miracle then...
22:37:44bluebrother^amiconn around?
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22:37:53Genre9mp3I was playing pacbox an hour ago and I'm sure...the files were in /.rockbox/games/pacman/
22:37:54amiconnOh, and the current routine in i_video.c doesn't work for the X5
22:37:54stripwaxb00st4 - read the message earlier where I said we won't tell you where to download the roms from
22:37:55sharpei have mine in '/.rockbox/pacman/' works fine for me.
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22:38:11b00st4u mean wiki?
22:38:26stripwaxb00st4 - no, on IRC, about five minutes ago
22:38:43bluebrother^amiconn: I just used the jpeg viewer on my h120. When leaving the menu returning to the image the screen doesn't gets redrawn correctly.
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22:38:56sharpe<stripwax> MOoG - btw we will not give you a link to download arcade roms
22:38:59preglowamiconn: worked any on grayscale?
22:39:04bluebrother^i.e. if I scroll around there is a white rectangle where the menu was.
22:39:12amiconnbluebrother^: which menu?
22:39:21DBUGEnqueued KICK stripwax
22:39:21stripwax<sharpe> but, with the knowledge of google you shalt findeth them.
22:39:37CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:39:37*amiconn doesn't know about any menu in the jpeg viewer
22:39:40b00st4if i got the roms, do i have to compile or just put em on my drive
22:39:55stripwaxb00st4 - what do the wiki pages for pacbox say?
22:40:06*stripwax wonders why everything is coming out in blue
22:40:11kkurbjunamiconn, it turns out that all of prbooms high resolution additions work well for low resolution, now the status bar, menus, text are all scaled in v_video.c and the game is only rendering on the screenspace given for the particular resolution
22:40:19*sharpe questions it also.
22:40:41Mikachuamiconn: there is one now, jdgordon's thinger
22:40:42XavierGrGenre9mp3: Maybe you put the files on the correct place in an older build. Then you updated and put again the files in /games/pacbox/. With a replace procedure the old files don't get deleted
22:40:59kkurbjunamiconn, on the x5 it's probably trying to use the H300 code, I need to properly ifdef that
22:41:45Genre9mp3XavierGr: Nope....first time put the pacman files
22:42:01bluebrother^amiconn: the menu that appears when pressing stop −− the previous quit button.
22:42:13amiconnThe X5 probably uses a different port address, and also needs translation of the gfx data because the silly lcd takes 18 bit data (written as 2 consecutive 16bit words containing 9 significant bits each), although it scales back down to 16bit internally
22:42:32XavierGramiconn: JdGordon introduced a menu because with the new slideshow iPods didn't have any vacant buttons
22:42:50kkurbjunthat sounds extremely inefficient
22:43:08amiconnImho the jpeg viewer is suffering from too many extras now.
22:43:34bluebrother^I agree with this.
22:43:36Mikachuit still views a single file the same way as before
22:43:43Mikachuso i don't tihnk there's any downside..
22:43:43b00st4 < on this site i cant find any hint to where i could get the roms
22:43:50Mikachub00st4: correct
22:43:52psiianyone know if there has been any development on a fixed point mp3 encoder?
22:43:53amiconnIt was designed and intended as a jpeg *viewer*, not a viewer-slideshow -all-in-one-mega-plugin :/
22:43:55bluebrother^I liked it better quitting the viewer with a single button.
22:44:03Genre9mp3so should be in "/.rockbox/pacman" OR "/games/pacman" ?
22:44:06preglowpsii: we already have one
22:44:07amiconnMikachu: No, it doesn't.
22:44:08stripwaxb00st4 right, and that's because we won't tell you where to download the roms for. say, do you know any search engines?
22:44:08Bgeramiconn: evolution ;)
22:44:14Mikachuamiconn: you mean the quit button?
22:44:34psiipreglow: oh wow, so we can record to mp3 with irivers now?
22:44:40linuxstbGenre9mp3: No. Pacbox only looks for ROMs in /.rockbox/pacman/
22:44:54amiconnFor instance, with the view-while-playing addition, I can't zoom fully into some images, and for other images it asks me whether I want to stop playback - but I'm not playing anything (!)
22:44:58webguest26psii: having an encoder and having one integrated is not the same
22:45:07XavierGramiconn: I think that will better if we manage a way to split the jpeg plugin in a way that the jpeg code isn't shared with the slideshow, file changing code. So in the future we could make a universal plugin for more picture formats
22:45:21preglowpsii: currently, you can convert wavs to mp3s, and the quality is none too good
22:45:27Nico_PPaprica: you there ?
22:45:31preglowpsii: some day after 3.0 we will make it possibly to encode directly
22:45:34XavierGr(ok my sentence is pretty fucked up)
22:45:38psiiwebguest26: ah that's what i was after..
22:45:51kkurbjunamiconn, I think I have it commited so that the X5 will use the generic routine now, just comitted
22:46:12amiconnThe generic routine isn't particularly efficient.
22:46:18sharpeheh, should i continue on the idea of the 6502 cpu emulator? :)
22:46:20psiipreglow: in early may i can start helping with development
22:46:26preglowpsii: then hooray!
22:46:39kkurbjunamiconn, what could be done to speed it up?
22:46:46preglowanyone here interested in trying the piezo ticking patch?
22:46:52ivan`i'm getting an X5 in a few days but probably won't flash rockbox yet because of increased batt. usage
22:46:53MOoGthere is a rockpaint or rockword for pod?
22:47:12amiconnI don't understand the internals of v_video right now, but if it would be possible to also apply the pallette directly in there (i.e. rendering into native lcd format) that would help a lot
22:47:15linuxstbpreglow: Are you thinking of committing it?
22:47:16stripwaxMOoG - it's probably buildable from source
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22:47:48amiconnWe would then add lcd_blit() for all platforms, and use that for transferring the image to the lcd
22:47:50Bgerbluebrother^ in cvs
22:48:02Genre9mp3Oh...I was mistaken...The files are not in /.rockbox/games/pacman" but neither in "/.rockbox/pacman". I have a folder "/GAMES/pacman" and works!
22:48:05MOoGim so noob whit compiler
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22:48:20Genre9mp3Just like "/GAMES/Doom"
22:48:39linuxstbGenre9mp3: Are you running a patched version of Rockbox?
22:48:49amiconnpreglow: I don't know whether your piezo thing is currently implemented that way, but imho it shouldn't be directly linked to the button driver
22:48:51kkurbjunamiconn, v_video only handles the 2d drawing, r_draw handles all the 3d stuff.
22:49:12linuxstbOne of the H300 experimental builds?
22:49:23amiconnThe piezo should have its own driver, and called from apps when it should tick/beep/whatever
22:49:34Genre9mp3No..I've patched my self...but I used similar patches with the experimental
22:49:39preglowamiconn: that's the only thing i've got time for right now
22:50:00linuxstbGenre9mp3: Then you must have patched pacbox..
22:50:18kkurbjunamiconn, do you have an x5 to test with?
22:50:19amiconnkkurbjun: I mean, v_video seems to render into a palette-based framebuffer. i_video then applies the current pallette while transferring the image to the lcd
22:50:22preglowi've got a couple of hours of rockbox time tomorrow, but i need those for making the crossfeed patch ready
22:50:33Genre9mp3Oh...I see....So, mystery solved!
22:50:48stripwaxnot for MOoG it's not
22:51:03amiconnIf the pallette would already get applied in v_video, the routine in i_video would turn into a simple transfer, easily replaced by lcd_blit()
22:51:07MOoGi need help
22:51:07Mooskkurbjun: I'll test doom on X5 and let you know
22:51:32*amiconn prods preglow for libmad optimisation and a less crappy resampler
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22:51:51preglowyeah, i'll try to fix the last some time during feature freeze
22:52:13obolinuxstb: got a mo?
22:52:37preglowi also need to write a profiler parser for arm
22:53:08kkurbjunyes, that is correct, but the rendering is done in two seperate places, v_video just does the paletted buffer for 2d stuff, and r_draw does the 3d paletted stuff, I guess both could possibly render to a native format, but it would still require palette lookups..
22:53:12kkurbjunMoos, thanks
22:53:21MOoGi doesn't work..
22:53:31obohehe - you commented on - any chance on some more feedback, even if it's just to say it's not a wanted feature, or if it should wait to post-Mayday?
22:53:40MOoGi want pacman
22:53:42stripwaxMOoG - what doesn't work - building rockpaint from source?
22:54:44linuxstbobo: Ah, the headphone pause patch. Personally, I hate that feature in the Apple firmware...
22:54:45MOoGim not a programer..
22:55:07MOoGi want rock work or rockpaint..but i have to wait..
22:55:16amiconnkkurbjun: Adding grayscale lib support would be another interesting task, but I won't work on that right now. I already have to split forces during the freeze between fixing things for our release targets and experimenting with my iPod mini
22:55:29amiconnI want to get grayscale running on that too...
22:55:31Mikachulinuxstb: i find it useful
22:55:34linuxstbMOoG: Rockword and Rockpaint were written for the iriver H300 - they won't work on the Nano's smaller display.
22:55:47Mikachuobo: wolud it be possible to combine it with the autoresume setting, so rb only resumes playing if headphones are plugged in?
22:55:59Mikachuobo: i don't want it to start playing when i'm at home experimenting with plugins for example
22:56:13MOoGi know..
22:56:25MOoGi need also pacman =)
22:56:55oboMikachu: not sure I understand what you're asking exactly... it can already auto-resume
22:57:03Mikachuobo: i only want auto-resume if the phones are in
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22:57:13Mikachuobo: ah, maybe i wasn't clear
22:57:21Mikachuobo: i mean when i start rockbox
22:57:32Mikachuobo: there's a setting that says if music should start playing automatically or not on bootup
22:57:32sharpeahah, what about a 4004 emulator? :)
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22:58:01oboMikachu: ah, okay - I don't tend to use auto-resume, so I hadn't considered that
22:58:16kkurbjunamiconn, doom uses quite a few of it's own paletted buffers, I think it's usually 3 at the most. It buffers the 2d stuff and then combines it on screens[0], the 3d stuff always renders to screens[0], the status bar is at screens[4] (I think), and then the screen melts use other buffers. I understand, I can see working on the mini being higher on the list for release
22:58:28XavierGris there a list of bugs that must be hunted down during the feature freeze?
22:58:36amiconnSlasheri: The *whole* row turned yellow (!)
22:58:40XavierGror we just pick them from the bug tracker?
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22:58:45Mikachuobo: it would be nice since i can then just turn it on and put it in my pocket and go about unlocking my bike
22:59:06MikachuXavierGr: there is a 'for 3.0' link in the trackre
22:59:11amiconnkkurbjun: The iPods are no release targets for 3.0
22:59:22oboMikachu: okay, I'll see what I can do
22:59:29kkurbjunahh, I didn't realize that
22:59:37Mikachuobo: i noticed the register is not the same before and after you plug in the headphones... after you did it once it's either 0x10 or 0x30 (i think), but before it is just 0x20
22:59:50amiconn(and now the darn builds seem to hang once again, grr)
22:59:53Mikachuso maybe it is only detected if you plug/unplug it while running
22:59:56MOoGanyone have try pacbox on nano?
23:00:04kkurbjunMoos, did that work for the X5?
23:00:04oboMikachu: 0x80 is headphones - 0x20 is hold (I think...)
23:00:07amiconnt0mas? Bagder?
23:00:27XavierGrkkurbjun: yeah ipod has a long way to see a release from what I understand
23:00:34Mikachuobo: okay, i'll look at it again
23:00:43XavierGrkkurbjun: any plan to optimize the midi plugin?
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23:00:45MikachuMOoG: yes, it works fine except it crashes after 5 minutes
23:00:51Mooskkurbjun: I'am relloking where to get the 2 files for test, let's me 2min
23:01:05XavierGrkkurbjun: also, I though that the doom plugin had sound, no?
23:01:30kkurbjunXavierGr, I would like to eventually. It does have sound, just no music
23:01:36Mikachuobo: which pin is it again?
23:01:48oboMikachu: GPIOA
23:02:01Mikachuokay, it's 28 now, booted without phones
23:02:25Mikachuplugged in, A8
23:02:33Mikachuah, back to 28 when unplugged
23:02:37Mikachui must have been dreaming then, nm :)
23:02:38oboMikachu: yup - try now with hold
23:02:47amiconnkkurbjun: Hmm. The current method for H300 in i_video.c is rather dirty. Directly accessing the hardware....
23:03:03amiconnBut otoh this is way faster than copying everything twice...
23:03:04Mikachuobo: hm, F also changes between 1A and 3A
23:03:35kkurbjunamiconn, yes, it's at least a noticable difference
23:04:07Mikachuobo: i think that's the one that was 2A, but it isn't now, so there's no problem then
23:04:16kkurbjunamiconn, would there be a way to have a general optimized paletted transfer for use in rockboy and doom?
23:04:37kkurbjunI don't know how much asm could help with a function like that
23:04:38oboMikachu: yes, F seems to be 0x20 - but I can't get mine to 1A or 3A....
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23:04:50amiconnkkurbjun: Hmm, not sure
23:04:52Mikachuobo: is yours a nano?
23:04:58oboMikachu: nope, 5g
23:04:58Mikachuobo: hold changes both A and B
23:05:06Mikachumaybe it's different for some reason
23:05:25oboMikachu: yes, hold is changing A and B for me also - but different values
23:05:51kkurbjunamiconn, also, I don't know if the H300 lcd driver supports it, but being able to have a paletted mode supported by the lcd driver would probably speed things up
23:05:51oboMikachu: 2 and F
23:06:16amiconnkkurbjun: The lcd controller has no palette features
23:06:23kkurbjunI was looking at the specs for it and I couldn't find much other then (I think) and 8 color mode
23:06:26Mikachuwould be a lot easier if the values were printed in binary :)
23:06:45Mikachuobo: yeah, same here if you mean the first digit
23:06:55obotrue :) yup, first digit
23:07:23amiconnkkurbjun: The 8-colour mode is just for saving energy. You still need to transfer 16bit image data, only the pixel cells get either fully enabled, or fully disabled
23:07:44Mikachuamiconn: what do you think about only clearing settings with hold on but headphones not plugged in? :)
23:07:48kkurbjunI see
23:07:59amiconnDoing that saves energy because the whole voltage divider circuitry can be switched off
23:08:29sharpewoo! found the instruction set for the intel 4004
23:08:55kkurbjunmakes sense
23:10:19webguest26Does anything interesting for 4004 exist?
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23:10:26sharpei dunno
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23:10:33sharpedoesn't seem like it
23:10:47amiconnsharpe: I think an efficient Z80 emulator would be more useful
23:10:49sharpewell... they were originally used for calculators
23:11:03sharpethere's already one on the... pacbox source i think...
23:11:14stripwax*efficient* ;-)
23:11:21amiconnpacbox uses Z80 emulation, and the gameboy CPU is a modified Z80 as well
23:11:25mindmedica big thanks to the rockbox team for making my ipod nano more enjoyable!!!
23:12:07sharpewouldn't it be kind of interesting to have a 4004 emulator for rockbox? :)
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23:12:17mindmedicrockbox is really square┬▓.
23:12:32midkaydoes lcd_set_contrast require an lcd_update to take effect?
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23:14:19sharpewell, the 4004 could address 4kb of memory..
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23:16:21amiconnt0mas? Bagder?
23:18:46*Cassandra gets confused. What time is it in CET?
23:18:58linuxstbCET is GMT+1
23:19:06bluebrother^Cassandra: CEST is 23.18h now
23:19:10Mikachusweden is in CEST now
23:19:13amiconnBut we have CEST now, which is GMT+2
23:19:14stripwaxI thought CET was BST+1
23:19:23Mikachuwhat is BST?
23:19:31CassandraLooks like I'm not the only one. ;)
23:19:34MOoGthx 4 all pacmanwork
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23:19:42linuxstbCassandra: I had the same question yesterday :)
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23:19:53Mikachuapparently australia just went out of dst :)
23:20:11*Cassandra decides a certain flexibily for the last commit before freeze might be sensible..
23:20:14amiconnpreglow: Haha, I now found why backlight fading disturbed playback. It was just some overdriving because the meaning of the settings block changed
23:20:29amiconnI now enabled backlight fading, reset settings - and it works like a charm
23:20:41sharpewhat about a 8080 emulator, strangely similar to the z80 :)
23:20:53stripwaxsharpe - what for, though@
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23:21:04sharpeeh, not real reason. just to have.
23:21:24amiconn(and even 10s looks very smooth)
23:21:24CassandraCouple of things I need to get done: making sure only WPSes designed fot the appropriate resolution get installed into the tarballs.
23:21:28Mikachuit makes not so much sense to just have a cpu emulator
23:22:47linuxstbCassandra: Yes. My thought was to extend the WPSLIST file to have both a minimum and maximum size for each WPS.
23:22:49bluebrother^Cassandra: KDE's clock can show different timezones. Including UTC directly :)
23:23:04Nico_Pabout album art: would the plugin buffer be a good place to store the bitmaps ?
23:23:19linuxstbNico_P: Where would plugins go?
23:23:37Nico_Pisn't the plugin buffer free when displaying the WPS ?
23:23:40Cassandralinuxstb: There's a couple of problems with that approach.
23:23:47MikachuNico_P: not if you have a tsr plugin
23:23:53bluebrother^what happened to the bleeding edge buildings? Looks like something stucks
23:23:57CassandraText WPS and graphical WPSes require different handling.
23:24:18Mikachutext wps still depend on the number of lines you can display..
23:24:22linuxstbYes, but text WPSs are also designed for certain font/lcd size combinations.
23:24:30Cassandra(AFAICT a text WPS needs to be able to get at least 'n' text lines, width not so important.)
23:24:45CassandraGraphical WPSes are always fixed resolution.
23:25:24Mikachuthis is unrelated, but i put in some keybinds for a-b repeat on ipods, and it seems to work fine on my nano
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23:25:29XavierGrtsr plugins are not a problem AFAIK
23:25:42Cassandralinuxstb, but the only thing that will 'stop' a text WPS from working is if there aren't enough display lines.
23:25:51XavierGrI remember that amiconn said that you can fetch the point where the tsr plugin takes memory.
23:26:05XavierGrIIRC, I am not sure though
23:26:35linuxstbIt's still not a good place to put album art. What happens if you start a plugin whilst album art is sitting there, and then return to the WPS?
23:26:53Mikachuyou would have to tell the wps that you ate his buffer and he has to reload it
23:27:04linuxstbNot a KISS approach...
23:27:23kkurbjundoes the X5 sim work? what button opens the menu
23:27:35Mikachuit would be nice if the core could sort of dynamically borrow memory from the audio buffer
23:27:42amiconnNico_P: Don't mess with the plugin buffer. A tsr plugin may be running, and the playlist viewer also uses it
23:27:48*Cassandra proposes the following system for working out which WPSes to install:
23:28:00XavierGryes, indeed. If you start a plugin you will have to reloade the picture
23:28:10linuxstbCassandra: So your plan is to make text WPSs available for all targets (subject to a minimum number of lines?) and graphics WPSs are only for the size specified?
23:28:19*webguest26 notes again that and can be closed (
23:28:29preglowamiconn: cool
23:28:29Nico_Pit was just an idea like that... i suspected there would be such objections :)
23:28:40preglowamiconn: it doesn't look smooth on the darkest levels here
23:29:01linuxstbwebguest26: I'll have a look now.
23:29:15webguest26linuxstb: should be pretty clear-cut
23:29:18Cassandra1) Get rid of the .rwps file type. Move to having wpses in /.rockbox/wps/ and rwpses in /rockbox/rwps/ (on the targer) both with extension .wps (since there are no formatting differences between wpses and rwpses
23:29:35Bgerwebguest26 done
23:29:55MikachuBger: bug close stealer :)
23:29:57Cassandra2) In CVS, have WPSes sorted into subdirs according to screen capabilities needed to display them.
23:30:08webguest262 down, 30 to go
23:30:15amiconnCassandra: How would the loader then distinguish wps'es for main & remote lcd?
23:30:35amiconnRemember, you can load wps'es from anywhere, not just /.rockbox/wps
23:30:36BgerMikachu :)
23:30:57Cassandraamiconn: The distinctions artificial. You should be able to load any WPS file that will fit in your remoter on the remote.
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23:31:22linuxstbBut how can you tell Rockbox to load a .wps to the remote?
23:31:38CassandraSo for example, many wpses designed for the Archos Recorder would be suitable for the Hxxx remoter.
23:31:43amiconnCassandra: How would the loader know that the wps fits the main lcd, or the remote lcd?
23:31:53Mikachuthe user would have to say what he wants?<