| 00:00:03 | Bagder | midkay: I'd suggest using a fixed table with 32 bit resolution that you scale down to what you need |
| 00:00:22 | Mikachu | you're of course aware that a half sine isn't a gravitational bounce? |
| 00:00:29 | amiconn | There's a fixed point sine in cube.c, and others |
| 00:00:30 | midkay | Bagder, i need to know how to generate it.. :) |
| 00:00:37 | amiconn | s17.14 format |
| 00:00:45 | midkay | amiconn, are you talking to me? |
| 00:00:50 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:01:06 | midkay | i already use a sine to generate the tables in clock.c, and i'm now using it in bounce.c for the clock tables there too.. |
| 00:01:14 | adrcos | i remember C64 when they were going out |
| 00:01:17 | midkay | i have access to it, i just don't know how to use it to make that weird bouncy thing. :) |
| 00:01:18 | amiconn | The table saves space, as it only needs 16bit values |
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| 00:01:39 | amiconn | weird bounce thing? |
| 00:01:40 | Mikachu | if you want to make a bounce, all you need is a square function... |
| 00:01:51 | adrcos | they came out with GEOS |
| 00:01:51 | midkay | amiconn, the bounce table. |
| 00:01:54 | amiconn | Mikachu: ? |
| 00:02:05 | midkay | dunno how to describe it. |
| 00:02:12 | midkay | line 82 of bounce.c |
| 00:02:26 | midkay | a table is used to define the positions for the bouncing rockbox text or something. |
| 00:02:31 | amiconn | sin(x) ^ 2 == 0.5 * sin(2*x) + 0.5 |
| 00:02:41 | afruff23 | is the X5's RTC supported in Rockbox? |
| 00:02:48 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:02:53 | amiconn | (that was directed at Mikachu) |
| 00:02:55 | Mikachu | amiconn: assuming constant acceleration, the position will be a monom of degree 2 |
| 00:03:23 | amiconn | Ah, you mean simulating gravity... |
| 00:03:35 | Mikachu | that is what bouncing usually means :) |
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| 00:03:53 | Bagder | nah, not in demos ;-) |
| 00:04:17 | amiconn | The bounce effect looks like a superposition of several sines (probably just 2) |
| 00:04:35 | Moos | LinusN: any news yet about the scaled values for volume in X5? |
| 00:04:37 | afruff23 | if I place the time display function in my WPS at the beginning of the file, will it's position be different from if it were at the end? |
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| 00:05:03 | afruff23 | in the dispalyign will the position be different that is |
| 00:05:08 | LinusN | Moos: the what? please refresh my memory |
| 00:05:10 | afruff23 | in the displaying* |
| 00:05:10 | midkay | of course. it shows up where it's put, like everything else. |
| 00:05:14 | afruff23 | ok |
| 00:05:29 | afruff23 | I wish i could use x and y -coords... |
| 00:05:46 | Moos | LinusN: the values used for volume (X5 port) sounds wrong, exemple there is still audio when mute |
| 00:05:46 | midkay | indeed.. life sux. |
| 00:05:54 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 00:06:17 | LinusN | are there more problems? |
| 00:06:49 | midkay | Bagder, so, are you gonna give me a formula for generating that table? :) |
| 00:06:51 | Bagder | midkay: hey, the clock doesn't build for the x5 |
| 00:06:57 | Moos | LinusN: not as I know, just wrong values for volume, audio works fine anyway :) |
| 00:07:00 | midkay | Bagder, does it have an RTC? |
| 00:07:04 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:07:09 | midkay | then i'll need to update it. |
| 00:07:16 | afruff23 | linus said it's supported above |
| 00:07:18 | midkay | after bounce is done.. |
| 00:07:25 | midkay | if at some point in the next few years i get a formula.. :) |
| 00:07:28 | LinusN | Moos: no, i mean are there more volume problems than the missing mute? |
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| 00:07:52 | Moos | *Big* pops at start/shuting down, yes |
| 00:07:54 | afruff23 | in the Uisimulator my file skips when I view the WPS |
| 00:07:58 | afruff23 | is this normal? |
| 00:08:01 | amiconn | Yeah, seems I'm right |
| 00:08:21 | afruff23 | it plays fine when I'm not at the WPS |
| 00:08:23 | LinusN | Moos: that's not related to the volume values |
| 00:08:32 | Bagder | midkay: you need to learn how to make a sine table! ;-) |
| 00:08:44 | amiconn | midkay: table[] and xtable[] are just sine (and cosine) tables scaled to the display resolution. |
| 00:08:46 | Moos | LinusN: nope I know just in audio area I meant :) |
| 00:08:50 | webguest06 | afruff23: the uisimulator is slow |
| 00:08:59 | amiconn | The weird bounce effect is added with a second, tiny sine table, speed[] |
| 00:09:09 | midkay | Bagder, what? :) |
| 00:09:19 | midkay | oh, really? |
| 00:09:32 | midkay | oh. i didn't realize that.. |
| 00:09:38 | amiconn | For archos, the scale factor for x and y needs to be different, because the pixels are non-square |
| 00:09:39 | midkay | k, thanks. :) |
| 00:09:57 | midkay | amiconn, what? so it will look a little weird, big deal. ;) |
| 00:09:59 | amiconn | Basically, you need to calculate an ellipsis to see a circle. |
| 00:10:05 | afruff23 | if I right align text and a picture is displayed at the right end of the screen what will happen in the PWS? |
| 00:10:18 | amiconn | If you just calculate a circle, you'll see an ellipsis |
| 00:10:19 | afruff23 | will they overlap, or will the text move to the left of the pic? |
| 00:10:34 | Bagder | I'm so surprised the langv2 didn't byte me yet |
| 00:10:37 | Bagder | bite |
| 00:10:39 | midkay | amiconn, yes.. |
| 00:10:52 | afruff23 | WPS* |
| 00:11:01 | Bagder | I'll go to sleep and I bet the errors show up |
| 00:11:31 | amiconn | midkay: In fact, there already are 2 sets of tables, one matching the archos lcd size and the other matching the H1x0/X5/iPod greyscale lcd size |
| 00:11:53 | midkay | amiconn, so we just generate the table if LCD_WIDTH > 112.. |
| 00:11:56 | midkay | right? |
| 00:12:02 | amiconn | Bagder: They will longword you in the morning ;) |
| 00:12:09 | * | Mikachu nibbles Bagder |
| 00:12:16 | amiconn | midkay: No, I would generate the tables for all resolutions |
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| 00:12:42 | midkay | amiconn, well, i don't know how to do that if you must have it technically correct for the archos' pixel aspect.. |
| 00:12:53 | amiconn | It's simple... |
| 00:13:13 | amiconn | Just use a different radius for the x table than for the y table |
| 00:13:32 | amiconn | rx = 1.25 * ry |
| 00:13:42 | amiconn | or ry = 0.8 * rx |
| 00:14:05 | midkay | alright.. hm. |
| 00:14:22 | afruff23 | can anyone reccomend an XCF to bmp batch converter, since I made my WPS graphics in GIMP? preferably with a GUI |
| 00:14:51 | afruff23 | the GIMP irc is dead, so sorry for askign here |
| 00:14:54 | afruff23 | askign* |
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| 00:15:34 | afruff23 | asking* |
| 00:15:36 | Mikachu | afruff23: convert file.xcf file.bmp |
| 00:15:41 | Mikachu | (imagemagick) |
| 00:15:46 | LinusN | afruff23: imagemacick |
| 00:15:55 | afruff23 | I tried that but the layers count as separate iamges |
| 00:16:00 | * | LinusN can't type today |
| 00:16:17 | Mikachu | afruff23: how about using gimp then? |
| 00:16:34 | afruff23 | gimp has no batch covnerter AFAIK |
| 00:16:37 | Mikachu | i'm not sure exactly how to use it, but there is a −−batch command |
| 00:16:42 | Mikachu | -b, −−batch=<command> Batch command to run (can be used multiple times) |
| 00:16:46 | Mikachu | −−batch-interpreter=<proc> The procedure to process batch commands with |
| 00:16:52 | LinusN | time to sleep, nite all |
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| 00:17:10 | austriancoder | is apps/gui in use? |
| 00:17:27 | Mikachu | i'm pretty sure all files are used |
| 00:18:10 | linuxstb | afruff23: xcftools ? |
| 00:18:17 | linuxstb | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/xcftools |
| 00:18:21 | afruff23 | is it GUI |
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| 00:18:30 | Mikachu | gui != batch |
| 00:18:35 | afruff23 | I know |
| 00:18:42 | afruff23 | but I hate working with cmd |
| 00:18:52 | Mikachu | "xcf2png" converts XCF files to PNG format, flattening layers if necessary. Transparency information can be kept in the image, or a background color can be specified on the command line. |
| 00:18:57 | afruff23 | I know how to use it but I prefer a GUI |
| 00:19:06 | Mikachu | maybe in this case you can make an exception |
| 00:19:15 | afruff23 | yes, but i need to covnert to bmp |
| 00:19:21 | Mikachu | convert a.png a.bmp |
| 00:19:38 | afruff23 | does covnertign to png have any loss in quality |
| 00:19:43 | Mikachu | no |
| 00:19:56 | afruff23 | even if I change the compression level? |
| 00:20:02 | Mikachu | it only uses gzip |
| 00:20:57 | ashridah | png is a lossless image compression format, like flac for audio, or pkzip for generally anything :) (and unlike lzip, the lossy compression utility :) ) |
| 00:21:34 | afruff23 | how do I install xcftools on windows? |
| 00:21:47 | afruff23 | I have a pentium class processor |
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| 00:22:19 | linuxstb | That page I linked to was for the Debian packages. Ask google, but you may have to compile it yourself. |
| 00:22:46 | sharpe | grarr!! |
| 00:22:51 | afruff23 | dam |
| 00:22:52 | sharpe | meh. |
| 00:23:24 | afruff23 | can PNG handle sepaate layers? |
| 00:23:29 | afruff23 | and treat them independently |
| 00:23:36 | afruff23 | separate* |
| 00:23:57 | afruff23 | because fireworks saved using PNG and had layers, but GIMp says it can't |
| 00:25:24 | Mikachu | you just said you didn't want it layered |
| 00:26:05 | afruff23 | I know |
| 00:26:12 | afruff23 | this is a separate Q |
| 00:26:20 | Mikachu | i don't think it can |
| 00:26:43 | afruff23 | so, there is no best image format |
| 00:26:55 | afruff23 | even fi size doesn't matter |
| 00:26:58 | afruff23 | if8 |
| 00:26:58 | Mikachu | i don't know how you reached that conclusion from that data |
| 00:27:00 | afruff23 | if* |
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| 00:27:22 | sharpe | eh, weird. undefined reference to 'plugin_get_buffer' ... |
| 00:27:26 | afruff23 | jpg is lossy, bmp have patents |
| 00:27:35 | afruff23 | GIf can't handle many colors |
| 00:27:42 | afruff23 | png can't handle layers |
| 00:27:46 | afruff23 | etc. |
| 00:27:53 | Mikachu | jpg and bmp can't handle layers either |
| 00:28:23 | webguest06 | you could do png.tar :) |
| 00:28:24 | afruff23 | I knew that, but bmp isn't lossy |
| 00:28:34 | Mikachu | neither is png |
| 00:28:48 | afruff23 | but png can handle lots of colors |
| 00:28:51 | webguest06 | (not that anything in the world would support it) |
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| 00:28:55 | ashridah | afruff23: on the plus side, jpg is smaller, bmp is quick and simple to process, gif probably has some feature that used to be useful, png's got reasonable quality for a final format for something, svg supports vector graphics, etc. |
| 00:29:07 | webguest06 | gif = animation |
| 00:29:20 | afruff23 | not all of them |
| 00:29:22 | ashridah | if you're doing layering, store it in a layered format, and export to png for viewing in a static location by everyday folk |
| 00:29:24 | webguest06 | Say mng and I kill. |
| 00:29:26 | | Quit ender` (" Laziness is the mother of nine inventions out of ten.") |
| 00:29:32 | ashridah | webguest06: that's not really a "plus" |
| 00:29:33 | ashridah | :) |
| 00:29:33 | Mikachu | I KEEEL YOU |
| 00:29:35 | sharpe | mng! |
| 00:29:36 | Mikachu | good night |
| 00:29:39 | webguest06 | afruff23: well, it's gif's only redeeming feature |
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| 00:30:03 | ashridah | webguest06: no, it really really isn't. |
| 00:30:16 | webguest06 | I guess before png it was somewhat useful as a palettebased and compressed format |
| 00:30:26 | afruff23 | I did store it in a layered format(XCF), but I'm havign trouble exporting it in a timely fashion to a BMP |
| 00:30:42 | Mikachu | just how many themes do you have? |
| 00:30:52 | webguest06 | ashridah: It's the only reason to use gif. |
| 00:30:57 | Mikachu | you could have clicked through at least 20 in this time |
| 00:31:07 | Leperkawn | How exactly would I go about upgrading rockbox for my iPod 5G? |
| 00:31:07 | afruff23 | they're pictures for my WPS icons |
| 00:31:15 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:31:20 | afruff23 | I have around 30 |
| 00:31:23 | ashridah | webguest06: and it's used in the most non-useful of places, ie, banner ads |
| 00:31:33 | Mikachu | afruff23: if you haven't got it by tomorrow i can do it then |
| 00:31:42 | ashridah | anyway, |
| 00:31:45 | webguest06 | ashridah: well, that's hardly the fault of the format |
| 00:31:56 | preglow | we've got some routines already |
| 00:32:01 | afruff23 | I don't need to convert it right this moment, but thanks |
| 00:32:02 | preglow | oh |
| 00:32:11 | * | preglow finds out he was 1 hour in the backlog :/ |
| 00:32:23 | webguest06 | that's always annoying |
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| 00:32:45 | sharpe | gcc does not like 'plugin_get_buffer' apparantly. |
| 00:33:12 | preglow | but yeah, a fixed point lib would be good |
| 00:33:17 | preglow | we should gather some to use in the core as well |
| 00:33:27 | afruff23 | remember I kept askign for the Uisimulator, well somebody from the iaudiophile forums was ncie nough to compile it for us |
| 00:33:46 | afruff23 | nice* |
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| 00:34:30 | Leperkawn | How exactly would I go about upgrading rockbox for my iPod 5G? |
| 00:34:40 | sharpe | extract the latest build zip to it |
| 00:34:40 | Leperkawn | How exactly would I go about upgrading rockbox for my iPod 5G? |
| 00:34:42 | afruff23 | if you display a progress bar and the code says to have it's eft and right pos be shorter than the picture's actual width, then what happens? |
| 00:34:46 | Leperkawn | Whoops, it doubled my post |
| 00:34:52 | afruff23 | does the image get cut off or squeezed |
| 00:35:26 | markun | Leperkawn: just unzip on your ipod |
| 00:35:39 | Leperkawn | I mean, what files would I replace? |
| 00:35:51 | sharpe | most of them... |
| 00:36:04 | Leperkawn | you mean .rockbox? |
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| 00:36:15 | sharpe | everything in the zip, pretty much. |
| 00:36:19 | Leperkawn | Ok |
| 00:36:26 | afruff23 | would it override your saved settings though? |
| 00:36:29 | sharpe | nope |
| 00:36:33 | Leperkawn | I was wondering if it was a bit more complicated than that, but I'm in luck :P |
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| 00:37:08 | Leperkawn | I need the ROM for Midway Packman, I went to play it and was quite saddened. |
| 00:37:15 | Leperkawn | Good ol' Emuparadise. |
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| 00:37:26 | sharpe | you have to find that on your own... :D |
| 00:37:49 | Leperkawn | Oh, I know where to find it |
| 00:37:55 | sharpe | heh... |
| 00:37:57 | Leperkawn | I was just expressing my initial dissapointment |
| 00:38:08 | Leperkawn | Upon attempting to play and discovering that it would not work. |
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| 00:38:28 | sharpe | lightning is cool. |
| 00:39:55 | preglow | Bagder: so, when's the first rockbox demo coming? :P |
| 00:40:41 | amiconn | preglow: Perhaps when we have a mod playback engine? |
| 00:40:55 | afruff23 | rockbox demo? |
| 00:41:04 | amiconn | Many Amiga demos used mods as soundtrack |
| 00:41:15 | preglow | if not all |
| 00:41:24 | sharpe | afruff23: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo_(computer_programming) |
| 00:42:25 | preglow | amiconn: i'm a bit tempted to do a gourad shaded cube.c as well :) |
| 00:42:30 | afruff23 | I knew what a demo was, but I didn't understand why a demo would be needed when rockbox is out already |
| 00:42:41 | preglow | afruff23: not that kind of demo |
| 00:42:56 | amiconn | preglow: Try it! Maybe you'll use the grayscale lib for H1x0 for better results |
| 00:43:02 | preglow | haha |
| 00:43:07 | preglow | plenty of more important stuff to do first |
| 00:43:13 | preglow | and yeah, definitely use grayscale lib |
| 00:43:32 | amiconn | I still want to turn cube.rock into platonics.rocks |
| 00:43:44 | preglow | hahah |
| 00:43:49 | webguest06 | remember the teapot |
| 00:43:53 | preglow | i want a gourad shaded teapot |
| 00:43:55 | preglow | ahah, exactly |
| 00:43:56 | sharpe | ooh, turn it into noneuclideangeometrics.rock |
| 00:44:02 | amiconn | 3 shades (apart from white background) aren't exactly much if you want to show a dodecaeder |
| 00:45:08 | preglow | amiconn: worst part of it all would be making a fast triangle filler, the rest should be easy |
| 00:45:30 | amiconn | Yes, the rest is already there |
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| 00:45:41 | preglow | amiconn: not if you want proper lighting |
| 00:45:46 | preglow | in which case you also need some 3d maths |
| 00:45:56 | preglow | but that's pretty easy stuff |
| 00:46:09 | amiconn | cube.rock already does some 3d maths |
| 00:46:17 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you know if our ARM memset correctly returns the address of the memory area being filled? |
| 00:46:21 | preglow | linuxstb: it does not |
| 00:46:34 | linuxstb | Doom doesn't like that... |
| 00:46:43 | preglow | doom actually _uses_ the return value? |
| 00:46:48 | linuxstb | Yep, in calloc... |
| 00:46:59 | preglow | ahh, riight |
| 00:47:00 | amiconn | preglow: Why not? It's standard ansi behaviour... |
| 00:47:09 | preglow | doom wasn't commited yet when i did that grep of the source tree to check |
| 00:47:18 | sharpe | isn't it, gcc's problem with undefined references... that are clearly defined...? |
| 00:47:19 | preglow | amiconn: i didn't code it myself, and the original author hasn't done it |
| 00:47:31 | preglow | amiconn: i didn't think of it until it was commited |
| 00:48:04 | amiconn | My, updating all my rockboxes is time consuming... |
| 00:48:35 | preglow | i need to convert the entire thing to set memory backwards to make it return the original address in a fast way |
| 00:50:16 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, it should be easy to hack around that, yeah? |
| 00:50:21 | amiconn | Guess what sh1 and coldfire memset do... |
| 00:50:28 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i know |
| 00:50:33 | amiconn | (but sh1 memset does it for 2 reasons) |
| 00:51:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Of course. Now I've found it... |
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| 00:53:53 | * | linuxstb plays Doom on his ipod to celebrate... |
| 00:54:09 | preglow | :-D)= |
| 00:54:15 | preglow | nano doom? |
| 00:54:19 | preglow | pretty please? |
| 00:54:22 | afruff23 | the X5 supports doom, as reported by some memebrs on iAudiophile forums |
| 00:54:28 | afruff23 | they included several screenshots |
| 00:54:34 | linuxstb | OK, I'll remove my 5000 printf() statements and commit. |
| 00:54:38 | afruff23 | nano dooom works |
| 00:54:56 | afruff23 | some guy came on this chat and said he has it working |
| 00:55:18 | linuxstb | The ipodlinux port of Doom works. Now it seems the Rockbox port does as well. |
| 00:55:24 | sharpe | this is not good... |
| 00:55:45 | sharpe | and i'm not talking about doom. |
| 00:55:54 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, sorry about that, i did check that no part of rockbox actually uses the return value, but i obviously did that before doom was commited |
| 00:56:02 | preglow | so it slid somewhat down on my urgency list |
| 00:56:46 | afruff23 | linux are you the doom port dev? |
| 00:57:40 | afruff23 | linuxstb, are you the doom port developer? |
| 00:57:54 | preglow | kkurbjun is the main dev |
| 00:58:04 | linuxstb | afruff23: No, I've been debugging it on the ipod |
| 00:58:38 | linuxstb | preglow: Don't worry about it. I'm sure you told us about it, and like you, I didn't believe anyone would use it... |
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| 00:59:15 | preglow | yeah, i think you actually did a grep yourself |
| 00:59:39 | linuxstb | I think I probably did... |
| 00:59:52 | linuxstb | Anyway, hack committed. |
| 00:59:56 | preglow | goodiegoodie |
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| 01:00:05 | preglow | does it play on nano? |
| 01:00:48 | linuxstb | I think so. |
| 01:00:52 | afruff23 | didn't soem guy say he played doom on his nano using rockbox a while back? |
| 01:01:01 | afruff23 | whyu does it not work now |
| 01:01:29 | linuxstb | It does work now... |
| 01:02:00 | linuxstb | The problem was that the doom developer changed to using a better version of doom. The old version worked fine on the ipods, but until a few minutes ago, the new version didn't. |
| 01:02:35 | * | afruff23 hopes this new version did not make the X% incompatible |
| 01:02:40 | afruff23 | X5* |
| 01:02:42 | preglow | arghhh |
| 01:02:53 | preglow | surprisingly, english.lang conflict |
| 01:04:29 | * | austriancoder will run a doom test on x5 in about a minute |
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| 01:05:43 | | Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") |
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| 01:06:25 | afruff23 | thanks austriancoder |
| 01:06:27 | * | webguest06 is still confused about forward not being forward |
| 01:07:13 | | Quit markun (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 01:07:13 | NSplit | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 01:07:17 | linuxstb | Hmm. The button mappings are very confused on the ipod. No open, and no shoot... |
| 01:07:29 | webguest06 | it's really not very convenient to keep your fingers on the joystick, record and a-b |
| 01:07:36 | webguest06 | is there an open in doom? |
| 01:07:48 | webguest06 | I thought you just bopped into things |
| 01:08:07 | afruff23 | on pC, it was space AFAIK |
| 01:08:11 | afruff23 | PC* |
| 01:08:21 | webguest06 | Hm, bopping into things works |
| 01:08:47 | | Quit bluebrother^ ("Leaving") |
| 01:09:05 | austriancoder | on x5 doom hangs at "Starting Graphics engine" |
| 01:09:30 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 01:09:30 | NJoin | markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) |
| 01:09:32 | afruff23 | oh man |
| 01:12:09 | sharpe | anyone know a solution to an undefined 'plugin_get_buffer' ? :D |
| 01:12:52 | amiconn | ? |
| 01:13:10 | amiconn | In a plugin you use rb->plugin_get_buffer() |
| 01:13:17 | sharpe | since when... |
| 01:13:30 | amiconn | Since the invention of rockbox plugins... |
| 01:13:38 | amiconn | i.e. years |
| 01:13:39 | sharpe | you've got to be kidding me. |
| 01:14:43 | sharpe | wow, and i've done it before using rb->plugin_get_buffer(), i just didn't realize i was using the api struct... |
| 01:14:55 | sharpe | thanks :) |
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| 01:18:09 | preglow | p_plats.c:68: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 01:18:21 | preglow | linuxstb: i get those _ALL_ over the doom source using gcc 4.1 |
| 01:18:41 | amiconn | Then don't use gcc 4.1.... |
| 01:18:48 | linuxstb | :) |
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| 01:19:34 | preglow | amiconn: i see no reason not to use gcc 4.1, it seems to do a better job than gcc 4.0 |
| 01:21:42 | preglow | doom gives me a data abort |
| 01:22:38 | linuxstb | In InitSprites? |
| 01:23:12 | preglow | gimme a sec |
| 01:23:20 | preglow | i'll just disable my crazy-ass memset16 |
| 01:23:23 | midkay | linuxstb, is your latest commit meant to fix doom on ipods? |
| 01:23:28 | midkay | or just a small step? |
| 01:23:38 | XavierGr | yippie |
| 01:23:45 | XavierGr | I finally managed to setup samba! |
| 01:23:54 | linuxstb | midkay: It's working for me. But the button mappings seem wrong. |
| 01:24:04 | midkay | linuxstb, superb.. *going to try it* |
| 01:24:10 | linuxstb | But preglow gets a data abort... |
| 01:24:16 | midkay | what does he have? |
| 01:24:19 | midkay | you're trying on a 5G right? |
| 01:24:26 | linuxstb | No, a 4G Color. |
| 01:24:31 | midkay | oh.. |
| 01:24:51 | linuxstb | I have a 5G as well, but it needs charging. |
| 01:24:51 | midkay | do you know what he has? |
| 01:24:56 | linuxstb | Nano. |
| 01:24:59 | midkay | well, i'll be a 5G tester.. |
| 01:25:06 | midkay | *disconnects to try* |
| 01:25:32 | XavierGr | what's the reason we use different gcc for every target group? |
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| 01:26:46 | preglow | linuxstb: what's the deal? i though you could just play a wad |
| 01:26:48 | preglow | but that does nothing |
| 01:27:14 | midkay | preglow, no, you have to launch doom.rock.. |
| 01:27:24 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you read the PluginDoom wiki page? :) |
| 01:27:26 | preglow | yep, did that, and got the data abort |
| 01:27:27 | preglow | linuxstb: sure |
| 01:27:35 | preglow | linuxstb: and i couldn't see that specified |
| 01:28:00 | linuxstb | You just put rockdoom.wad and (e.g.) doom1.wad in /games/doom/ and start Doom as a plugin. |
| 01:28:18 | preglow | done all that, got the data abort |
| 01:28:21 | linuxstb | Have you looked up the name of the function? |
| 01:28:21 | preglow | but something else is wrong |
| 01:28:38 | preglow | i get an undefined reference to memset in d_main.c ... |
| 01:29:04 | linuxstb | That must be gcc wanting to use memset. |
| 01:29:14 | linuxstb | It's just #defined to be rb->memset |
| 01:30:02 | midkay | working for me, great. |
| 01:30:37 | preglow | ahh, yeah |
| 01:30:40 | preglow | it's the name array |
| 01:30:43 | preglow | i just made that const |
| 01:30:45 | midkay | keymappings are weird/sucky though. |
| 01:30:48 | preglow | so gcc didn't try to copy it |
| 01:31:07 | linuxstb | midkay: Yes, I'm investigating that now. |
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| 01:32:06 | midkay | linuxstb, great. |
| 01:32:10 | midkay | runs well though.. |
| 01:33:01 | preglow | wooo |
| 01:33:04 | preglow | loading |
| 01:33:09 | midkay | brb |
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| 01:33:28 | preglow | hahha |
| 01:33:30 | preglow | lEETNESS |
| 01:33:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: Rebuilding bmp2rb doesn't cause the bitmaps to be rebuilt... |
| 01:36:23 | amiconn | Wow... that was easier than I thought... |
| 01:36:45 | * | amiconn now has a working flipped lcd-2bit-horz driver |
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| 01:39:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: Nice work. |
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| 01:42:00 | austriancoder | good night all |
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| 01:43:25 | amiconn | There are probably some minor quirs that need ironing out. I already have suspicions where these might hide |
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| 01:43:57 | amiconn | But it displays the UI correctly, and retailos looks like it should when booted by the rockbox bootloader |
| 01:43:58 | * | linuxstb hopes Paul_The_Nerd is ready for the complaints about Doom button mappings on the ipod. |
| 01:44:44 | webguest06 | "User defined button mappings!" |
| 01:48:58 | webguest06 | I still can't grasp why "forward" changes weapon |
| 01:50:07 | linuxstb | webguest06: I agree. I think I'm about to change that with my button changes for the ipods. |
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| 01:55:31 | linuxstb | preglow: Is Doom working OK on your Nano now? |
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| 02:00:08 | preglow | linuxstb: sure |
| 02:00:17 | preglow | linuxstb: controls are completely insane, but you know that |
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| 02:00:53 | preglow | linuxstb: how's the framerate on your 5g, btw? |
| 02:01:11 | amiconn | gcc is silly |
| 02:01:17 | amiconn | arm-elf-gcc this time |
| 02:01:24 | linuxstb | I haven't tried this version on the 5g yet. But the previous version worked nicely. |
| 02:02:21 | preglow | amiconn: why? |
| 02:02:39 | amiconn | It doesn't preload a subroutine address used in a loop |
| 02:03:14 | * | amiconn was looking at the disassembled lcd_update_rect() |
| 02:03:20 | preglow | i guess gcc is pretty much tuned to short jumps |
| 02:03:24 | preglow | which we should really strive to get back |
| 02:04:18 | amiconn | The good thing is that the bitshifting update (which is used for non-flipped display with the new lcd-2bit-horz) only uses 2 more instructions per iteration than the non-shifting update |
| 02:04:40 | preglow | i don't think we have really explored the possibility of marking all ICODE_ATTR functions long-call yet |
| 02:05:17 | amiconn | One iteration updates 8 pixels (16 bit). |
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| 02:05:27 | preglow | however, it seems to need doing in both c and h files |
| 02:05:36 | linuxstb | preglow: If you want to test, I've fixed the keymappings for the ipod. |
| 02:05:41 | preglow | linuxstb: sure |
| 02:05:46 | linuxstb | We still need about 10 more buttons though... |
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| 02:05:51 | ssnajper | how can i install rockbox on my 3g ipod? |
| 02:06:36 | preglow | 3g rockbox isn't really finished yet |
| 02:06:46 | preglow | i don't even know if it works |
| 02:06:47 | ssnajper | ah :( |
| 02:07:16 | linuxstb | I think we should remove the daily build... |
| 02:07:20 | preglow | indeed |
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| 02:08:02 | ssnajper | well then good luck, great work so far and i'll be waiting for its release! |
| 02:09:04 | preglow | then you'll be waiting long! :) |
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| 02:09:42 | preglow | i'm really looking forward to seeing codec performance on pp5002 |
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| 02:12:23 | amiconn | preglow: A propos codec performance: On mini 2g I could raise the boosted frequency... |
| 02:12:45 | amiconn | PP5022 is specced 100MHz while PP5020 is specced 80MHz |
| 02:13:52 | linuxstb | What freq did you test? |
| 02:14:22 | amiconn | I didn't try it yet |
| 02:15:33 | linuxstb | Ah, "could"... |
| 02:15:48 | * | linuxstb is tired and should sleep. |
| 02:16:30 | preglow | sweet lord |
| 02:16:34 | amiconn | I could try 96MHz... |
| 02:16:37 | preglow | reading amd64 disassemblies is no fun |
| 02:16:45 | preglow | 64 bit immediates everywhere |
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| 02:17:17 | preglow | x86 really has to have the worst assembly language ever |
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| 02:17:57 | amiconn | preglow: Is changing cpu frequencies as easy as changing the appropriate #define CPUFREQ_* in system.h ? |
| 02:19:00 | amiconn | Ah, I need to set the _MULT properly |
| 02:19:19 | preglow | amiconn: the _MULT is what matters |
| 02:19:30 | preglow | amiconn: see the cpu freq changing function for how to set it |
| 02:19:45 | amiconn | Btw, we should set the idle frequency lower |
| 02:20:10 | preglow | probably |
| 02:20:25 | preglow | 24mhz is the xtal freq, so i just set it at that for now |
| 02:20:43 | preglow | not that it matters, i still use the pll |
| 02:24:20 | amiconn | Hmm, how am I supposed to quit spacerocks on iPod? |
| 02:24:29 | preglow | never tried it |
| 02:24:40 | preglow | we might also want to set the normal freq somewhat higher |
| 02:24:43 | preglow | 30mhz isn't really much |
| 02:24:53 | amiconn | Imho it's enough |
| 02:24:59 | preglow | yeah, i'm thinking the same |
| 02:25:15 | amiconn | arm seems to be somewhat more powerful per MHz than coldfire |
| 02:25:22 | preglow | but then again, i don't want to boost anymore than 75mhz either |
| 02:25:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: MENU+SELECT is normally exit for the plugins. |
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| 02:25:28 | amiconn | ..and on coldfire, we use 45 MHz for the UI |
| 02:25:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yeah, but obviously not in spacerocks... |
| 02:26:04 | linuxstb | Checking the source, it should be... |
| 02:26:09 | amiconn | preglow: 75MHz leaves a 5 MHz safety margin for PP5020 |
| 02:26:36 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, and i don't really want to have a differing boost freq from ipod to ipod |
| 02:26:36 | amiconn | For some reason there are no quickspecs available for the PP5021 |
| 02:26:48 | preglow | also a lower freq gives us a reason to optimise more, of course |
| 02:27:09 | preglow | which is always good |
| 02:27:12 | amiconn | The grayscale gfx driver just got faster |
| 02:27:20 | amiconn | (inlining another function) |
| 02:27:46 | amiconn | I need to squash the bug in lcd_bitmap_part.... |
| 02:29:29 | preglow | gcc really does seem to generate really memory intensive code |
| 02:31:30 | * | linuxstb goes to bed |
| 02:31:32 | linuxstb | goodnight. |
| 02:31:41 | sharpe | well, from what i can tell, the c64 cpu emulator is working... |
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| 02:31:53 | sharpe | i think. |
| 02:32:59 | sharpe | or at least, it isn't crashing. |
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| 02:34:51 | preglow | bedtime |
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| 02:46:45 | DeusEx777 | hi all |
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| 02:47:45 | Leperkawn | Hello World. |
| 02:48:04 | Leperkawn | I was wondering how exactly I would go about updating my 5G ipod without wiping all my setting and such. |
| 02:48:41 | DeusEx777 | is there a chance to make an archos jb recorder 20 modded to 80 draw power from the one usb while being mounted as harddisk? |
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| 02:49:50 | RoC_MM | Leperkawn, go into the menu and choose "manage settings", then choose "write config". This will save your settings (LCD timeout, theme, etc). |
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| 02:50:38 | Leperkawn | and that will leave me with a file? |
| 02:50:41 | RoC_MM | Then download the latest rockbox.zip for your player, and extract it to your iPod. When you boot up, you will be on factory settings again,but choosing "Manage Settings, Browse cfg files and choosing your config file" will restore you to your usual settings. |
| 02:50:43 | RoC_MM | yes |
| 02:50:50 | Leperkawn | Ok. |
| 02:51:00 | Leperkawn | So I extract .rockbox and rockbox.ipod to my ipod. |
| 02:53:20 | RoC_MM | yes |
| 02:53:41 | Leperkawn | Erm, when I'm on the naming screen, what button do I hit to save my .cfg? |
| 02:53:45 | Leperkawn | I can't seem to find it >_< |
| 02:54:01 | RoC_MM | I even have two configs, one for home, one for car....the home one has the LCD timeout on 5s, and the car has the LCD on longer and the font a little bigger sometimes. |
| 02:54:01 | sharpe | hold select... |
| 02:54:13 | Leperkawn | Thankee |
| 02:54:17 | sharpe | welcome |
| 02:54:56 | DeusEx777 | errrm...draw power...from USB ..? |
| 02:55:33 | DeusEx777 | any ideas? =) |
| 02:55:49 | sharpe | not from me... |
| 02:57:41 | Leperkawn | Wow, good thing my computer isn't frozen or anything... >_< |
| 02:59:00 | DeusEx777 | it's incredible how fast my batteries die when plugging usb :/ |
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| 03:05:38 | RoC_MM | When did feature freeze start? |
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| 03:47:52 | sharpe | well... kind of working cpu emulator... :\ |
| 03:48:08 | midkay | sharpe, what a loser. |
| 03:48:09 | midkay | :) |
| 03:48:15 | midkay | how's it coming? |
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| 03:48:31 | sharpe | eh, trying to get it to actually execute the opcode... |
| 03:49:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder. Would Rockbox ever support DRM if it was an open-source DRM that offered actual fair rights? |
| 03:49:14 | midkay | NO. |
| 03:49:16 | sharpe | if someone made a codec for it :D |
| 03:49:17 | midkay | NO. |
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| 03:50:27 | sharpe | well... it does... something... |
| 03:52:48 | sharpe | wait, according to some people, wouldn't that be an oxymoron? open-source, DRM, fair rights... |
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| 04:00:21 | sharpe | yayyYY!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:00:30 | sharpe | it executes |
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| 04:01:06 | sharpe | go me... lol... |
| 04:01:14 | jd|uni | hey guys |
| 04:01:46 | sharpe | hi... |
| 04:02:31 | midkay | is Doom going on the H100s? |
| 04:02:32 | midkay | i didn't know it.. |
| 04:02:40 | midkay | doesn't sound right, but i may as well be wrong.. |
| 04:02:54 | sharpe | midkay! the cpu emulator works... |
| 04:02:55 | jd|uni | i dont think so... |
| 04:02:56 | sharpe | as you knew. |
| 04:02:58 | sharpe | but still |
| 04:03:03 | midkay | sharpe, what> |
| 04:03:05 | sharpe | i thought i should tell you. |
| 04:03:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:03:11 | midkay | um. thanks. |
| 04:03:16 | midkay | and. congrats. |
| 04:03:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Doom will probably go on the H100 at some point. Same CPU as the H300 anyway, and Doom's been run on a screen of the same properties on iPodLinux |
| 04:03:33 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:03:34 | midkay | jd|uni, someone updated the wiki page with saying it works on the H100s.. i think that's wrong. |
| 04:03:44 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i didn't mean will it, i mean does it. |
| 04:03:59 | * | jd|uni doesnt think doom would look v good greyscale |
| 04:04:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Oh, I read "Is it going" as a question relating to the future. I don't believe it runs there yet. |
| 04:04:18 | midkay | oh, my bad :) |
| 04:04:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, "Are you going on the boat?" "Yeah, I need to get there before it leaves..." |
| 04:04:54 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yes, i know what you mean. bad word choice.. |
| 04:07:20 | midkay | hmm.. |
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| 04:07:46 | midkay | anyone know if i install the latest iPod update, it leaves my ipodlinux partition alone,right? |
| 04:08:02 | DrumRBoy320 | as long as you dont restore, you should be ok |
| 04:08:05 | DrumRBoy320 | i think |
| 04:08:07 | jd|uni | does any1 have cvs write acces? |
| 04:08:13 | DrumRBoy320 | cause only restore formats |
| 04:08:16 | DrumRBoy320 | AFAIK |
| 04:08:29 | DrumRBoy320 | im afraid to update cause it might break rockbox |
| 04:08:33 | DrumRBoy320 | but... idk |
| 04:08:36 | midkay | ah, i "should" be "ok", you "think".. "as far as you know".. anyone else? ;) |
| 04:08:46 | midkay | DrumRBoy320, you'd need to reinstall the rockbox bootloader, yes.. |
| 04:11:38 | jd|uni | midkay: u can commit cant u? |
| 04:12:01 | midkay | jd|uni, yes, why? |
| 04:12:13 | midkay | sorry, missed your message.. |
| 04:12:36 | jd|uni | can u commit a patch fpr the text editor.. i forgot a bloody ! |
| 04:13:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Someone on the forums did an update. It *just* rewrote the boot partition |
| 04:13:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, good.. |
| 04:13:31 | midkay | jd|uni, is the text editor in cvs? :o |
| 04:13:44 | jd|uni | ye, it got in like 5 min b4 the freeze :D |
| 04:13:49 | DrumRBoy320 | Paul... still trying to get this drive to format to FAT32 |
| 04:13:50 | DrumRBoy320 | :) |
| 04:13:51 | jd|uni | this is definatly a bug fix.. |
| 04:14:01 | midkay | jd|uni, superb.. i didn't see it in the recent commits.. |
| 04:14:09 | jd|uni | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/text.patch |
| 04:14:30 | jd|uni | it fixes the problem where it asks for the file to save to if u loaded a file... |
| 04:14:37 | jd|uni | wow that sentance suked! |
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| 04:15:53 | jd|uni | doesnt eh x5 have the same lcd size as the h300 ? |
| 04:16:00 | midkay | no.. |
| 04:16:05 | midkay | 160x128 vs 220x176, iirc |
| 04:16:19 | jd|uni | oh, ok |
| 04:16:24 | midkay | jd|uni, oh, good.. alright. i'll commit it in a few moments |
| 04:17:31 | jd|uni | cheers :) |
| 04:17:45 | sharpe | yay |
| 04:17:48 | sharpe | i feel happier |
| 04:18:25 | sharpe | but |
| 04:18:30 | sharpe | the feeling's gome. |
| 04:18:31 | sharpe | gone |
| 04:19:40 | jd|uni | bloody hell.. 4/8 tips correct this w/e |
| 04:25:48 | midkay | jd|uni, oops, forgot!! ;) k, doing it now.. |
| 04:28:07 | midkay | committed. |
| 04:33:49 | jd|uni | thanx |
| 04:33:55 | midkay | no problem |
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| 04:38:00 | jd|uni | any1 know perl... im trying to find a word in a line.. is this correct? if ($line =~/\($this_word\)/i) ? |
| 04:38:55 | BHSPitLappy | hey, C question... |
| 04:39:07 | BHSPitLappy | can I have comments within comments, without it confusing the compiler? |
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| 04:39:17 | BHSPitLappy | like, /* ... /*... */... */ |
| 04:39:28 | jd|uni | no, gcc will bug you |
| 04:39:32 | BHSPitLappy | aite |
| 04:39:33 | jd|uni | but its just a warning... |
| 04:39:34 | BHSPitLappy | thanks |
| 04:39:45 | BHSPitLappy | JdGordon? |
| 04:39:45 | jd|uni | you could do #if 0 around the whole comment |
| 04:40:03 | BHSPitLappy | is that you? |
| 04:40:05 | jd|uni | BHSPitLappy: thats me :D im at uni atm |
| 04:40:12 | BHSPitLappy | that was my first guess |
| 04:41:06 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, you can't.. |
| 04:41:21 | midkay | the first */ will end the first /* |
| 04:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I found one key feature missing in TagCache: You can't play an entire genre (or artist, or anything really that's not a song and it's parallels) |
| 04:41:35 | midkay | the compiler will complain about the /* within the comment, but the */ will mean nothing.. |
| 04:42:05 | jd|uni | no perl ppl here ? :'( |
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| 04:43:40 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:43:43 | sharpe | whatever i did. |
| 04:43:48 | sharpe | the piezo did something. |
| 04:44:01 | midkay | sharpe, :EEEEE?!?! |
| 04:44:11 | sharpe | nah... |
| 04:44:20 | sharpe | "dee doo dee" |
| 04:44:22 | | Nick DrumRBoy320 is now known as DrumRBoy320|Away (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:44:22 | midkay | ah, you just wanted attention. |
| 04:44:26 | sharpe | blank screen |
| 04:44:28 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:44:30 | midkay | ah. you sux0r. |
| 04:44:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmmm |
| 04:44:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, when I chose to Quit Doom, it shut down my iPod, and did not wake on Menu or Select presses, I had to hold for a reset... that is strange. |
| 04:45:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, how did you quit? |
| 04:45:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I never left the main menu |
| 04:45:20 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 04:45:25 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, odd.. |
| 04:45:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I just wanted to verify that it ran, then quit. |
| 04:45:44 | midkay | aha.. |
| 04:47:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, at least there's not gonna be any more "Are you suuuuuure you don't know a way to make Doom work?" pms and stuff |
| 04:48:55 | RoC_MM | When was the feature freeze? |
| 04:49:20 | jd|uni | yesterday |
| 04:49:33 | jd|uni | or this morning... depeneing on your timezone :p |
| 04:49:58 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, that's what you think.. |
| 04:50:09 | BHSPitLappy | got another C question... with a switch-case setup, can I do an "else" type of result? |
| 04:50:12 | midkay | now you'll probably be bombarded with "can u send me some wads pls thx".. |
| 04:50:22 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, just default:, i believe.. |
| 04:50:33 | midkay | unless i'm blocked. in which case, no. |
| 04:51:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I got that a lot with the pacman one, so I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 04:52:00 | midkay | yeah.. |
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| 04:52:08 | album_art | Hi |
| 04:52:25 | album_art | HOw can i install the album art in .rockbox? |
| 04:52:33 | BHSPitLappy | jd|uni: you made the mistake of helping me once, now I want more :P |
| 04:52:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | album_art: There's a patch in the tracker. Apply it to a copy of the CVS source, and compile. Compiling instructions are in the wiki. |
| 04:53:20 | album_art | tehres a way to compile in windows? |
| 04:53:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 04:53:41 | jd|uni | BHSPitLappy: haha, ye, midkay andwered u/... gotta use default: |
| 04:53:42 | album_art | how? |
| 04:53:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMWareDevelopment or http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 04:53:51 | midkay | jd|uni, he has me blocked i think.. |
| 04:54:00 | midkay | -i think+i'm 99% sure |
| 04:54:07 | BHSPitLappy | jd|uni: oh... he's on my /ignore list, lol |
| 04:54:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | album_art: If both of those links are too difficult, you should probably just wait for it to be included in CVS. |
| 04:54:18 | midkay | LOLOL. lol. that is funny. it reallly is. |
| 04:54:24 | midkay | literally lol funny. |
| 04:54:36 | BHSPitLappy | I'm just rolling with laughter. |
| 04:54:44 | midkay | yeah. out loud. |
| 04:54:46 | jd|uni | hahaha |
| 04:54:47 | midkay | i mean. lol. |
| 04:54:51 | BHSPitLappy | the walls are shaking. |
| 04:54:59 | midkay | the earth is falling apart. |
| 04:55:17 | BHSPitLappy | and back he goes... |
| 04:55:25 | album_art | THnx |
| 04:55:26 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, now of all times.. |
| 04:55:59 | midkay | i find it amusing how you play along and even though in the end it's you that's the idiot, you suddenly re-ignore me.. hardly my loss, but.. suit yourself. |
| 04:57:14 | album_art | bye |
| 04:57:21 | midkay | bye bye now. |
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| 04:59:22 | jd|uni | im off also.. class then home :D |
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| 05:44:08 | corevette | hello? |
| 05:44:18 | midkay | hi there. |
| 05:44:59 | corevette | how do you put backdrops on the video ipod version |
| 05:45:03 | corevette | or...what do they do? |
| 05:45:50 | corevette | does anybody know what backdrops do? |
| 05:46:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: If you wait a few seconds for people to type answers... they're backdrops. What they do is somewhat implicit in the name |
| 05:47:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | You may set one by long-clicking on a 320x240 24-bit .bmp file and choosing "Set as backdrop" |
| 05:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the file is in /.rockbox/backdrops/ when you do this, it saves across reboots, otherwise it will reset when you turn it off and back on |
| 05:47:41 | corevette | hold on let me try |
| 05:48:53 | corevette | does it hagve to be that size? |
| 05:49:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 05:49:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the size of the screen |
| 05:49:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has to match the number of pixels on the screen exactly |
| 05:49:42 | corevette | is their any examples i can try without resizing my pictures? |
| 05:50:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really. |
| 05:50:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not just resize one? In the time you've taken to ask, you could've saved a copy of an image at an appropriate bitmap |
| 05:52:10 | corevette | 24 bit required? |
| 05:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 05:52:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why I specified. |
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| 05:54:10 | corevette | k i got one...now what |
| 05:54:18 | | Part Aditya |
| 05:54:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I already typed the instructions. Scroll back and read 'em. |
| 05:55:08 | corevette | how do i get to the picture |
| 05:55:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | You browse to it? |
| 05:55:48 | corevette | how |
| 05:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you read the manual? |
| 05:55:58 | corevette | go to .rockbox on ipod? |
| 05:56:02 | corevette | nothing happens |
| 05:56:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you sure that's .rockbox, and not the rockbox.ipod file? |
| 05:56:27 | corevette | i mean rockbox |
| 05:56:29 | corevette | yes |
| 05:56:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | You do have the file view set to show all files. |
| 05:56:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you put it in /.rockbox/backdrops |
| 05:56:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is a . in it |
| 05:57:04 | corevette | ok hold on |
| 05:57:30 | corevette | i can't open the picture |
| 05:58:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | That doesn't tell me anything. What happens when you choose "Set as backdrop" in the context menu? |
| 05:58:29 | corevette | got it |
| 05:58:32 | corevette | thanks soo much |
| 05:58:36 | corevette | one more thing |
| 05:58:45 | corevette | are you familliar with the gimp? |
| 05:58:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 05:59:11 | corevette | ok thanks anyway |
| 05:59:59 | corevette | do you know when rockboy / doom is going to come out? |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 06:01:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockboy's been out since day 0 for iPod |
| 06:01:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Doom works on it as of today. |
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| 06:02:08 | corevette | where can i download either? |
| 06:03:17 | corevette | i can't find them on the main site |
| 06:03:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 06:03:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're included with Rockbox. |
| 06:03:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you download a new copy of rockbox, any official plugins are included |
| 06:04:58 | corevette | how come i can't play doom |
| 06:05:15 | corevette | or...where do i put the doom wad file |
| 06:05:23 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: anywhere |
| 06:05:31 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: you just choose the WAD from the file browser |
| 06:05:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: Read the PluginDoom page on the wiki. |
| 06:05:34 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: correct? |
| 06:05:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 06:05:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not correct |
| 06:05:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | /games/Doom |
| 06:05:41 | BHSPitLappy | heheh |
| 06:05:45 | BHSPitLappy | my apologies |
| 06:05:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, 'tis not a viewer (which I feel it SHOULD be) |
| 06:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may move in that direction in the future. |
| 06:05:59 | * | BHSPitLappy agrees |
| 06:06:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like Rockboy. Rockboy's a viewer. You put gameboy roms wherever you want. |
| 06:06:21 | BHSPitLappy | I think that would be best. although, doom's weird with the possibilities of combos of wads |
| 06:06:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: I would strongly suggest reading the Manual, and learning to use the Wiki, as most of your questions' answers are contained therein. |
| 06:06:39 | BHSPitLappy | so it might be best to have a small plugin that lets you pick which mods to include in the call |
| 06:06:40 | corevette | alright that was my last question |
| 06:07:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Can be handles easily by allowing you to save the command line you would use for a dos copy of doom into a .txt, and have the viewer launch those text files isntead of directly launching wads |
| 06:07:48 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: also valid, though I'm against anything that requires much intervention on the PC |
| 06:08:09 | BHSPitLappy | and text input is not a recreational activity on an mp3 player, I'm afraid |
| 06:08:15 | corevette | alright i'm sorry one more time |
| 06:08:19 | corevette | what kind of game boy roms |
| 06:08:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Well, it's less intervention than say, a WPS. |
| 06:08:24 | corevette | just like normal gameboys? |
| 06:08:27 | corevette | or color |
| 06:08:33 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: both |
| 06:08:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: Have you read the wiki page for PluginRockboy? |
| 06:08:44 | BHSPitLappy | yeah! read! |
| 06:08:45 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 06:09:00 | midkay | lol! |
| 06:09:06 | corevette | i have not read it..nor can i find it |
| 06:09:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Well, I feel that having a single file you can click per Mod is easier than having to go into the menus and select which base and which patch wads to run it. |
| 06:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: The page is in the wiki. It's named PluginRockboy. There's a few search functions that will take you there. |
| 06:09:48 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: perhaps it's possible to adopt both methods, too. |
| 06:09:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heck, even google oughtta |
| 06:09:57 | midkay | you need a PC to load the mod onto your player, while you're there creating a file that describes what WADs need to be used for the mod isn't hard.. |
| 06:10:13 | BHSPitLappy | just use the browser for simple configs, use the configurator for complex ones |
| 06:10:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Possible. The current menu, and the ability to launch it with .doom files that are command lines for the DOS one. I kinda like the idea of having /.rockbox/doom/pwads and /.rockbox/doom/iwads and then you can keep the .dooms anywhere and quicklaunch |
| 06:10:40 | BHSPitLappy | and as much as it isn't my place to say it, I do think rockbox needs to start moving towards modularity. |
| 06:11:04 | corevette | nothing tells you on the rockboy wiki what kind of gameboy roms you can use |
| 06:11:14 | BHSPitLappy | it's as if, a new Windows build was released every day, and each build was a compilation of every windows program ever written |
| 06:11:24 | midkay | it's not modular already? plugins.. audio playback is built-in, since that's what rockbox is "for".. |
| 06:11:47 | midkay | in a way.. |
| 06:11:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: It says in that it supports gbc mode. gameboy and gameboy color |
| 06:11:54 | BHSPitLappy | don't take me wrongly- I'm not saying rockbox is evil, I'm saying it's getting to be a big boy :) |
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| 06:12:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: How would you suggest modularizing it then? |
| 06:12:26 | BHSPitLappy | and including everything possible is getting to be impractical |
| 06:12:56 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: well, isn't it -kinda- modular already? |
| 06:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know if a 3mb zip is "Impractical" |
| 06:13:36 | corevette | p.s. doom doesn't work |
| 06:13:38 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: the pattern I've seen is, include every possible feature in one standard distribution. I'm just forseeing the begging of a bloatware |
| 06:13:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Well, they're talking about a "lean" version that leaves off non-essential files (most plugins, etc) |
| 06:13:47 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: p.s., -you- don't work. |
| 06:13:57 | corevette | lol |
| 06:14:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: Are you running the NEWEST CVS build? |
| 06:14:06 | corevette | i put the wad file in the right location |
| 06:14:09 | corevette | and it can't find it |
| 06:14:10 | corevette | yes |
| 06:14:14 | corevette | i just downloaded it |
| 06:14:15 | midkay | you need rockdoom.wad |
| 06:14:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: "Bleeding Edge" not "Daily"? |
| 06:14:21 | midkay | at the PluginDoom wiki page. |
| 06:14:23 | corevette | i have it |
| 06:14:25 | corevette | yes paul |
| 06:14:30 | corevette | i have the lpeeding edge |
| 06:14:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: Yeah, and do you have rockdoom.wad as well as a commercial wad? |
| 06:14:39 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: I guess... I know this comment should be resented, but... "it should be more like podzilla2" |
| 06:14:40 | corevette | ...... |
| 06:14:41 | * | BHSPitLappy ducks |
| 06:14:42 | corevette | commercial wad |
| 06:14:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | commercial wad |
| 06:14:50 | midkay | hahaha.. |
| 06:14:52 | BHSPitLappy | commercial w ad |
| 06:14:54 | BHSPitLappy | aaack |
| 06:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | You know, from a legal copy of the doom game. |
| 06:15:08 | midkay | yes, let's load settings menus from disk.. |
| 06:15:10 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: or if not, the shareware wad? |
| 06:15:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: What features would you leave out, besides plugins? |
| 06:15:36 | corevette | where do you get that? |
| 06:15:38 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: ... plugins. :P |
| 06:15:42 | corevette | i got pacman installed easily |
| 06:16:00 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: try googling doom1.wad |
| 06:16:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: You google "Doom shareware" |
| 06:16:13 | BHSPitLappy | give Google Romance a try |
| 06:16:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Well, leaving off all non-audio related plugins is already a plan. Haven't you read the plans for Mayday? |
| 06:16:39 | corevette | does this go in the same folder? |
| 06:16:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | ...yes |
| 06:16:53 | BHSPitLappy | no, but two separate releases isn't what I had in mind, either, really |
| 06:17:22 | BHSPitLappy | and I'd like to say again, I understand this isn't my place to step in and dictate how things are run |
| 06:17:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Then what the heck did you have in mind? |
| 06:17:34 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: modularity! :D |
| 06:17:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: As the wiki page says, you put all the wads there |
| 06:17:56 | BHSPitLappy | not a Minimum distro and a Maximum distro... |
| 06:18:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: The word modularity on its own does not describe what the hell you mean by it. Do you mean "Downloading just the .ipod file and core components, and then being able to download individual plugins?" or what? |
| 06:19:09 | BHSPitLappy | the plugins and the viewers are the main points I see as leading down a weird and unideal path |
| 06:19:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | So what's wrong with a minimum and maximum build? The minimum is "Rockbox, and all plugins with audio related function" and maximum would include of course, everything. |
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| 06:20:39 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: do you think these plugins and viewers will ever stop being created? |
| 06:20:59 | midkay | everything stops eventually.. |
| 06:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why does it matter? |
| 06:21:16 | BHSPitLappy | it's not out of control now, but at some point you'll look at your plugin list or zip size and think, "this is way more than I need on here..." |
| 06:21:37 | midkay | then don't download the full package? :) |
| 06:21:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you install the full build, trim it, and then install the minimum in the future. |
| 06:21:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not that hard |
| 06:21:58 | midkay | how big could it get, even the full build? |
| 06:22:22 | BHSPitLappy | I guess I'm just an anarchist then |
| 06:22:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Saying "You should do it my way" is not anarchy in any definition. |
| 06:23:43 | midkay | that only applies if you _have_ a 'way'.. |
| 06:23:44 | BHSPitLappy | what's the definition of saying "Come now, it isn't difficult to just deal with it." |
| 06:24:32 | BHSPitLappy | your argument seems to say to me, that you concede that it isn't the most ideal way things should be done, but that it just shouldn't be thought of |
| 06:24:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I see having to click 40 download links to get my 40 updated plugins when compatibility breaks as being much more frustrating than downloading the full version once, and just deleting the files on disk. |
| 06:24:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially if I create a cull script |
| 06:24:50 | BHSPitLappy | agreed |
| 06:24:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, how is your "modular" design any better? |
| 06:25:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | You've said "It should be in parts" |
| 06:25:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you've offered no suggestion that takes the existing system, and makes it modular without requiring an increase in *user* effort |
| 06:25:58 | BHSPitLappy | I didn't say it should be done on a basis of using download links, either... it could be, something like the Cygwin installer, etc |
| 06:26:20 | BHSPitLappy | and I think it's splitting into two different ideas, too |
| 06:26:33 | BHSPitLappy | and that's my fault for steering the conversation the wrong way |
| 06:26:44 | corevette | i can't figure out the a button in rockboy |
| 06:27:21 | BHSPitLappy | basically, it shouldn't be any more than adding or deleting a file/folder to add or remove a feature, respectively |
| 06:27:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Define "feature" |
| 06:27:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought we were just talking plugins |
| 06:27:48 | BHSPitLappy | as I understand it, everything is "tied into" rockbox in ways |
| 06:27:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | corevette: Rockboy doesn't have one yet. I said it's in, not playable. |
| 06:27:58 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: we can be. |
| 06:28:15 | BHSPitLappy | feature/plugin/vewer/bell-whistle |
| 06:28:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Plugins and Viewers are very different than core features |
| 06:28:48 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: then consider my use of the word "feature" to mean extraneous functions, like doom, game boys, etc |
| 06:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those are plugins then |
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| 06:28:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not features |
| 06:29:02 | BHSPitLappy | I'll try to avoid that word misuse from now on. |
| 06:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | And those are as easy as deleting a file to remove |
| 06:29:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Delete rockboy.rock or doom.rock and try if for yourself |
| 06:29:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | s/if/it |
| 06:30:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can delete rocks all you want, or copy over new/different ones as long as they're built for your target and aren't from an incompatible plugin API version. |
| 06:30:40 | Doomed | hm, |
| 06:30:46 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 06:31:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it *isn't* any more difficult than adding or deleting a file/folder |
| 06:31:20 | BHSPitLappy | the inconsistency of the platform architectures is a rather annoying thorn towards an ideal system, isn't it |
| 06:31:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well that's not exactly something you can change |
| 06:32:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I'd say "Ideal" is "Works best in the situation we have" |
| 06:32:24 | BHSPitLappy | oh I know |
| 06:32:46 | BHSPitLappy | I'm not trying to change THAT, I was "just saying" there for a second |
| 06:33:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | So again, I'm really not sure what you want changed other than the distribution method |
| 06:34:22 | BHSPitLappy | I'm not really saying "I want this changed to this"... I'm just letting out a "bad feeling" about the way things are packaged up |
| 06:35:01 | BHSPitLappy | I'm starting to come around to the dual-distribution idea, too |
| 06:39:02 | corevette | dangit, it still says i hav eno base wads for doom |
| 06:39:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have both rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad, doom2.wad, doomu.wad, doom.wad or some other real one in /games/Doom/ ? |
| 06:39:38 | corevette | i have rockdoom.wad |
| 06:39:41 | corevette | and doom1.wad |
| 06:40:14 | corevette | is there something i'm doing wrong |
| 06:41:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I have F:\Games\Doom\doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad, and it works fine |
| 06:42:15 | corevette | hold on a sec] |
| 06:43:08 | corevette | oh i got it |
| 06:43:13 | corevette | i spelt doom wrong |
| 06:43:17 | corevette | who knows how |
| 06:46:17 | midkay | goddamn this.. |
| 06:46:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Problems? |
| 06:46:39 | midkay | yes... |
| 06:47:30 | midkay | it was working before, my table generator for 'bounce'.. |
| 06:47:37 | midkay | something weird's up with it "now" though.. |
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| 06:50:43 | corevette | how do you get out of doom |
| 06:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Reset the ipod |
| 06:51:10 | corevette | wonderful |
| 06:52:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, code something better |
| 06:52:45 | BHSPitLappy | what is rockdoom.wad? |
| 06:53:15 | midkay | i am _ready_ to jump out my window.. |
| 06:53:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Various tables and stuff I believe |
| 06:54:41 | corevette | will rockboy eventually support the a button feature and faster games? |
| 06:54:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | If someone works on it, yeah |
| 06:55:18 | BHSPitLappy | corevette: you could always give iPodLinux a try |
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| 07:17:09 | midkay | thank you jesus. |
| 07:19:46 | Mikachu | np |
| 07:20:03 | midkay | :)) |
| 07:30:50 | Mikachu | the demos menu in doom is incorrectly called "Demo's" |
| 07:31:10 | midkay | ugh!! |
| 07:31:26 | midkay | damn. |
| 07:31:29 | midkay | screw you, jesus. |
| 07:31:33 | midkay | it's not working anymore. |
| 07:31:36 | midkay | why did you take your gift away. |
| 07:33:19 | Mikachu | hm, doom just started a demo and didn't let me do anything, but at least it runs (didnt get any sound though) (ipod nano) (just saying) |
| 07:33:51 | midkay | a demo isn't supposed to let you do anything, is it? it's a demo.. |
| 07:34:00 | Mikachu | i'm not playing a demo |
| 07:34:16 | midkay | oh, misread that.. what do you mean, started a demo? |
| 07:34:44 | Mikachu | okay, now it works |
| 07:35:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, I've played doom on my iPod Nano. And it had sound (though pitched poorly, I think it needs playback speed tweaks) |
| 07:35:02 | Mikachu | i just browsed through the menus |
| 07:36:13 | midkay | damn this to hell. |
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| 07:44:09 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/541 can be closed :) |
| 07:44:16 | Mikachu | accidentally sorted by oldest first instead of newest |
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| 07:49:17 | Bg3r | morning :) |
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| 07:49:45 | Mikachu | do you have hilight on closable bugs? :) |
| 07:50:31 | midkay | morning, Bg3r :) |
| 07:52:20 | Bg3r | midkay :) |
| 07:52:45 | Bg3r | btw, did you see my comment yesterday in the evening (EU) |
| 07:52:55 | midkay | Bg3r, me? which? |
| 07:55:32 | Bg3r | about the quick screen |
| 07:55:36 | Bg3r | u're Zakk, yep ? |
| 07:58:05 | midkay | Bg3r, yes? that's me :) |
| 07:58:18 | midkay | i remember reading it, but i can't remember what it was. |
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| 08:07:31 | Bg3r | the problem is that your last change (02 april) broke the quickscreen on the remote ... |
| 08:07:44 | Bg3r | on the iriver lcd remotes |
| 08:10:23 | ScootScat | in doom, do i bring up the menu? |
| 08:13:04 | ScootScat | how* |
| 08:13:14 | Bg3r | stop |
| 08:13:40 | ScootScat | what about on the ipod? |
| 08:14:38 | Bg3r | i don't know ... |
| 08:14:49 | Bg3r | midkay ? |
| 08:15:12 | midkay | Bg3r, my bad - um.. any specifics? |
| 08:15:23 | midkay | ScootScat, you need to reset to get out of doom.. |
| 08:15:41 | ScootScat | ok thanks |
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| 08:17:25 | Bg3r | midkay i think it doesn't depend on the size of the display |
| 08:18:07 | midkay | Bg3r, hm... do you know the res of the iriver lcd remote? |
| 08:19:27 | amiconn | 128x64, very similar to the archos lcd |
| 08:20:11 | Bg3r | midkay btw i don't think it should be hardcoded... iirc, the display var holds the display resolution... |
| 08:20:26 | midkay | Bg3r, what? who said it was hardcoded? |
| 08:20:27 | amiconn | However, the apps/gui/ stuff is designed to be resolution independent |
| 08:20:46 | midkay | it fits my ipod video's screen fine. it just requires that lcd_height be larger than 64.. |
| 08:20:55 | Bg3r | midkay at least there is if(w > LCD_WIDTH) |
| 08:21:06 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/gui/quickscreen.c.diff?r1=1.9&r2=1.10 |
| 08:21:08 | midkay | Bg3r, what's wrong with that? |
| 08:21:34 | amiconn | midkay: What's wrong is that it hard-codes the lcd width |
| 08:21:45 | Bg3r | where's defined the screen struct ? |
| 08:22:00 | midkay | oh... you mean it's not considering the remote's LCD width. hm. |
| 08:22:49 | amiconn | The whole gui/ stuff was introduced to get rid of that, in order to deal with more than one lcd, each having a different resolution |
| 08:23:03 | midkay | amiconn, i understand, that was my mistake.. |
| 08:23:30 | midkay | well, is there any way to tell if it's being displayed on the remote? |
| 08:23:56 | amiconn | YOu are meant to use the screen struct which tells you the resolution |
| 08:23:58 | Bg3r | midkay better see if the screen struct hase |
| 08:24:00 | Bg3r | yep |
| 08:24:05 | Bg3r | amiconn said it before me ... |
| 08:24:25 | midkay | amiconn, how is that done? |
| 08:24:47 | Bg3r | midkay do you know where is located the stuct screen's definition ? |
| 08:24:52 | Bg3r | declaration ... |
| 08:25:04 | Bg3r | s/stuct/struct |
| 08:25:12 | midkay | not where it's located, no. |
| 08:25:20 | Bg3r | amiconn ? |
| 08:25:35 | amiconn | apps/screen_access.h |
| 08:25:47 | amiconn | Use the search functions of the world... |
| 08:26:02 | Bg3r | screen_access |
| 08:26:04 | Bg3r | just found it |
| 08:26:12 | midkay | need to go to bed. i'll try and fix it tomorrow.. |
| 08:26:18 | Bg3r | k |
| 08:26:35 | amiconn | The quickscreens look rather odd now anyway, |
| 08:26:47 | amiconn | due to two strings being combined to one |
| 08:27:31 | midkay | amiconn, what? |
| 08:28:19 | amiconn | Well there are strings like "status bar", "scroll bar" which were originally 2 strings |
| 08:28:29 | midkay | yes? |
| 08:28:56 | amiconn | In german these were often just one word, separated (?) |
| 08:29:13 | amiconn | Original word: "Statusleiste" (status bar) was written |
| 08:29:16 | amiconn | Status- |
| 08:29:20 | amiconn | leiste |
| 08:29:33 | amiconn | Now it looks like "Status- leiste" |
| 08:29:46 | midkay | alright, that's on the todo for tomorrow too, then.. |
| 08:30:37 | amiconn | Of course the fix is to combine these strings into one. I have it on my list for the next .lang rework round |
| 08:31:15 | midkay | we already have a combined version, i believe. |
| 08:31:17 | midkay | in the menus.. |
| 08:31:23 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 08:31:25 | midkay | "Status Bar"; "Scroll Bar".. |
| 08:31:42 | amiconn | That's even better, we can deprecate the partial strings then |
| 08:31:58 | midkay | i think the reason i didn't fix it was because of the way the quickscreen accepts two strings.. i'll change that, though, now that they're per-line.. |
| 08:32:13 | midkay | i mean now that it's one line per setting. |
| 08:32:13 | amiconn | That probably goes for all options in the 2 quickscreens |
| 08:32:50 | midkay | amiconn, not quite.. "Repeat" "Mode" we had/have. but in the menus it's only "Repeat". not sure if we should leave it at "Repeat" or make a new one, "Repeat Mode".. what do you think? |
| 08:33:17 | amiconn | Just "Repeat" I'd say |
| 08:33:35 | midkay | sounds good, alright. |
| 08:33:53 | midkay | bed for me, though, that comes tomorrow.. as well as a completely scalable bounce.c, i hope. |
| 08:34:12 | midkay | a really annoying and hard-to-find bug or something, i'm having.. |
| 08:35:12 | amiconn | The whole left_right_title parameter can go then |
| 08:35:22 | midkay | amiconn, right. |
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| 08:36:14 | midkay | night all. |
| 08:36:20 | amiconn | night midkay |
| 08:36:51 | Bg3r | nite |
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| 08:58:06 | amiconn | crap- The EQ menu voicing is all off |
| 08:59:43 | amiconn | The menu items for simple & advanced settings aren't voiced at all (because they are combined strings), and the Q and gain settings don't respect the decimal point |
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| 09:02:36 | Bg3r | amiconn i think that most people (including me) doesn't understand the voice interface well (and maybe aren't very interested in it ...) |
| 09:02:49 | Bg3r | s/doesn't/dont |
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| 09:03:03 | amiconn | Now tell that to our blind users... |
| 09:03:11 | Bg3r | yeah :( |
| 09:03:25 | Bg3r | for example i didn't know that the splash messages aren't voiced .. |
| 09:03:26 | amiconn | Apart from that, the voice UI is really useful for in-car use |
| 09:03:32 | amiconn | Safer driving... |
| 09:03:36 | Bg3r | yep |
| 09:04:13 | amiconn | So I wonder why so few devs seem to use the voice UI |
| 09:05:32 | amiconn | Hmm, I'm not sure if we had voicing of decimals in the past... |
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| 09:05:59 | amiconn | I mean in talk_unit(). output_dyn_value() definitely supports it |
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| 09:20:21 | B4gder | we need a wiki page for all the new ports questions |
| 09:24:38 | JdGordon | hey guys |
| 09:24:46 | Bg3r | is the adding of the "playback control" menu to a plugin considered as a new feature ? |
| 09:24:51 | JdGordon | B4gder: i was thinking that for the forums yesterday |
| 09:24:53 | Bg3r | hey, JdGordon :) |
| 09:25:20 | B4gder | yeah, we get a "new port?" question just about daily these days |
| 09:26:10 | JdGordon | oh, how long has that pitch control screen been in cvs? i accidently found it today :p |
| 09:26:17 | * | Bg3r remembers the day in the 2004's summer, when he read about rockbox on the iriver.com's forum ... |
| 09:26:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only problem is that if you made a Wiki page, or a stickied post, in most cases nobody would read it anyway |
| 09:26:41 | JdGordon | stickied post would be seen more than a wiki page |
| 09:26:42 | * | BHSPitLappy just stunned by his iPod |
| 09:26:43 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: true, but it would be a nice URL to paste in all the replies |
| 09:27:02 | Bg3r | B4gder ? amiconn ? |
| 09:27:11 | BHSPitLappy | I was trying to make doom work... my iPod's piezo played a little chime at me and rebooted |
| 09:27:22 | B4gder | Bg3r: I would call it just a fix |
| 09:27:28 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5011 <= i mean this |
| 09:28:02 | Bg3r | okies |
| 09:28:12 | JdGordon | .. would this be considered a bug fix? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3293.0 |
| 09:28:40 | Bg3r | hahaha |
| 09:29:21 | JdGordon | so no? |
| 09:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4Gder: That's certainly true. |
| 09:30:03 | Bg3r | JdGordon no, i'm laughting because these questions are frequent (just asked something similar) |
| 09:30:20 | JdGordon | well it was inevitable when the freeze happened :D |
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| 09:32:22 | Bg3r | but imho there should be some consistency in the behaveour of the plugins ... |
| 09:33:00 | RicII | rockbox has come a long way! even ipod ports now... |
| 09:33:07 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 09:33:51 | JdGordon | RicII: well.. they had it all working 3 months ago (including some other "non-working" ports), but they stagegr the release to keep getting more visitors to the site.. |
| 09:34:05 | crashd | can anyone recommend a decent mp3 tagger |
| 09:34:10 | crashd | ive tried loads and they are all shit |
| 09:34:31 | * | B4gder uses easytag |
| 09:34:34 | B4gder | on linux |
| 09:35:05 | crashd | never really dug easytag |
| 09:35:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does that mean it's "shit", or was your generalization overbroad? |
| 09:35:28 | B4gder | me neither, but it works |
| 09:35:34 | LinusN | i like godfather on windows |
| 09:35:38 | crashd | no, i think it was a bit simplistic Paul_The_Nerd |
| 09:35:42 | * | petur replies to the article on http://www.mobilityguru.com/2006/04/04/who_designed_this_crap/ and advertises RockBox :) |
| 09:35:46 | LinusN | but i haven't yet found a matching linux app |
| 09:35:49 | JdGordon | LinusN: i thought godfather sucked... |
| 09:36:03 | B4gder | petur: go go go ;-) |
| 09:36:14 | Bg3r | haha petur :)) |
| 09:36:18 | petur | http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/Designed-Crap-Great-Ipod-Scam-ftopict47051.html |
| 09:36:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Ipod is spelled Ipod! |
| 09:36:40 | crwl | I think Ex Falso was also quite good |
| 09:37:54 | petur | btw, one more commit and we're all green again :) |
| 09:38:25 | Bg3r | yep |
| 09:38:31 | * | Bg3r will do it |
| 09:38:57 | RicII | still got my miniture font somewhere (~3x5).. and a mini1g to do some testing.. |
| 09:40:00 | ScoTTie_ | not much works on mini's |
| 09:40:11 | ScoTTie_ | unless somethings changed sound wont |
| 09:40:19 | ScoTTie_ | only the keypad and screen work |
| 09:40:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought the 2G mini has sound |
| 09:40:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you might want to be careful generalizing about them, at least |
| 09:40:58 | crashd | dude, it's too early to be so bloody anal |
| 09:41:39 | Bg3r | :(( |
| 09:41:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: Well, saying a statement that people could easily misunderstand into thinking something isn't working that is, is kinda a point that should be commented on. |
| 09:41:49 | amiconn | RicII: The mini 1g might work, but nobody tested it recently |
| 09:43:06 | amiconn | Back we initial mini support was added, sound wasn't working, but now that sound on mini2g is working, it might also work on the 1g |
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| 09:43:17 | amiconn | Both use the same audio chip |
| 09:43:46 | amiconn | RicII: So, if you want to give it a shot, please do so... |
| 09:43:52 | RicII | amiconn: I will do some testing then, end of this week. unfortunly it's still hfs formated. (did read it but supects rockbox still needs fat) |
| 09:44:25 | amiconn | yes |
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| 09:52:08 | RicII | have to run for work, feels good to see rockbox is still kicking |
| 09:53:09 | austriancoder | preglow: as you are the master of asm |
| 09:53:10 | austriancoder | mp3_encoder.c: In function `filter_subband': |
| 09:53:10 | austriancoder | mp3_encoder.c:1470: error: can't find a register in class `ADDR_REGS' while reloading `asm' |
| 09:53:22 | austriancoder | build for h120 with logf support |
| 09:53:43 | Bg3r | austriancoder yep, this is old one ... |
| 09:54:17 | austriancoder | Bg3r: ah okay... and no fix has been found yet? |
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| 09:57:16 | Bg3r | austriancoder did you try the well-known -fommit-frame-pointer ? |
| 09:57:59 | B4gder | or use the C version of that function |
| 09:58:11 | austriancoder | Bg3r: sure, but preglow did last time also an fix: we put the asm in an own file |
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| 10:00:23 | JdGordon | hey, quick perl q... what the heck does this mean "Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <−− HERE in m/* <−− HERE / at ./ass1 line 35, <STDIN> line 574." the line is if ($line =~ /$this_word/i) |
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| 10:01:22 | Galois | I have no idea, but my guess would be that $this_word is empty or undef |
| 10:01:45 | austriancoder | B4gder: i could have fix: dont use asm with we want to use logf |
| 10:01:47 | austriancoder | #if defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && !defined(ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF) |
| 10:01:47 | austriancoder | {asm} |
| 10:01:47 | austriancoder | #else |
| 10:01:47 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK austriancoder |
| 10:01:47 | austriancoder | {c} |
| 10:01:47 | austriancoder | #endif |
| 10:02:13 | B4gder | yes, as I said |
| 10:02:26 | B4gder | but I'd rather see a better fix in cvs |
| 10:02:35 | B4gder | if possible |
| 10:02:53 | austriancoder | B4gder: i can only do a fix with defines - sorry |
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| 10:07:30 | JdGordon | Galois: im doing a check to c if $this_word is empty.. still happens.. |
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| 10:16:48 | Topic | "feature freeze but we can still use your build server!" by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 10:17:25 | Bg3r | haha |
| 10:17:46 | JdGordon | u can have mine again.. but it will slow the builds down.. |
| 10:17:51 | B4gder | haha |
| 10:18:56 | B4gder | our build system design makes only fast servers really helpful |
| 10:19:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:19:39 | * | B4gder goes to refill black goo |
| 10:21:26 | JdGordon | would using memcpy to copy a struct with 2 floats in it be faster than just doing 2 assingments? |
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| 10:24:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: that assignment will probably be translated to a memcpy by the compiler anyway |
| 10:24:30 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:26:29 | LinusN | btw, why 2 assignments? |
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| 10:27:37 | Martinp | hi there |
| 10:29:15 | B4gder | hi |
| 10:29:26 | Martinp | what's up? |
| 10:29:57 | Martinp | uhm, I wanted to know about the whole TI DM320 support thing |
| 10:30:35 | LinusN | what do you want to know? |
| 10:30:40 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 10:30:48 | B4gder | is a good start |
| 10:31:07 | Martinp | cool, the AV500 also uses the same chip by the way |
| 10:31:21 | B4gder | ah, right |
| 10:31:32 | B4gder | feel free to update the wiki! ;-) |
| 10:31:38 | Martinp | will do |
| 10:32:06 | Martinp | but why is there such a big problem of porting Rockbox to players with this chipset |
| 10:32:08 | Martinp | ? |
| 10:32:37 | B4gder | the lack of DSP compiler I'd guess |
| 10:32:54 | B4gder | but I don't think there's *that* big of a problem |
| 10:32:59 | Martinp | okay, I am completely untechnichal about that |
| 10:33:06 | Martinp | what is a DSP compiler |
| 10:33:19 | Martinp | I'm just the dude who runs iAudiophile :p |
| 10:33:23 | B4gder | something that generates code for the DSP core |
| 10:33:42 | Martinp | okay, I actually understood that |
| 10:33:49 | B4gder | there's also that issue that TI doesn't reveal any docs for the chip |
| 10:34:02 | Martinp | anyone bugged them about it? |
| 10:34:08 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:34:13 | Martinp | what did they say? |
| 10:34:18 | B4gder | even companies that make such units |
| 10:34:28 | B4gder | TI is the enemy of everything open |
| 10:34:37 | B4gder | and always were |
| 10:35:14 | B4gder | they just won't give away their docs unless you sign NDAs |
| 10:35:33 | Martinp | ah shit |
| 10:35:39 | Mikachu | what happens if someone signs an NDA and releases the docs anyway, and i use the docs? |
| 10:35:53 | B4gder | well, it hasn't happened yet so we can't tell |
| 10:36:06 | Martinp | you will probably get sued real bad |
| 10:36:17 | Mikachu | but i didn't sign anything |
| 10:36:30 | Martinp | oh, and you use them |
| 10:36:38 | Martinp | hmm, I dunnow |
| 10:36:45 | B4gder | no, the sue would be against the leak |
| 10:36:49 | B4gder | I'd guess |
| 10:36:53 | Martinp | (gotta learn to read) |
| 10:36:57 | Martinp | yes, obviously |
| 10:37:18 | B4gder | still, that's just hypothetical |
| 10:37:22 | B4gder | we have no docs |
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| 10:37:44 | B4gder | so it takes more reverse engineering |
| 10:37:54 | B4gder | which is harder and more time consuming |
| 10:38:14 | petur | and we can't sign an NDA (or one of the devs)? Or are not allowed to? |
| 10:38:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if you sign an NDA, you can't really code for it in an open-source project then |
| 10:38:38 | B4gder | I'd guess it would be hard, but I don't think we've had the opportunity even |
| 10:39:06 | B4gder | right, as releasing code for it would be revealing info |
| 10:39:31 | Martinp | yup, that's true |
| 10:39:32 | B4gder | it'll be interesting to harvest the Neuros code for details ;-) |
| 10:39:39 | petur | right, should have figured that out myself |
| 10:39:49 | Martinp | neuros uses one of those chips too? |
| 10:39:55 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:39:58 | JdGordon | B4gder: itll all be obfusctaed to piss everyone off :D |
| 10:40:18 | B4gder | well they at least states they want to develop it open source |
| 10:41:14 | B4gder | but |
| 10:41:26 | B4gder | you won't be able to access the DAC without going through the DSP |
| 10:41:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, the Neuros will what, be an open source project that there's no compiler for? |
| 10:41:42 | B4gder | so it requires at least some DSP code to make noise |
| 10:41:59 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: for the DSP parts, yes |
| 10:42:03 | Martinp | what about the Cowon A2 sources? |
| 10:42:08 | B4gder | the cowon is the same |
| 10:42:11 | LinusN | here's my optimistic theory: |
| 10:42:13 | Martinp | has anyone looked into them? |
| 10:42:25 | B4gder | the cowon A2 is even based on the very same BSP package that neuros use |
| 10:42:30 | LinusN | the dm320 is a dual-core chip with an arm and a tms320 dsp core |
| 10:42:32 | B4gder | the exact same u-boot and linux kernel version |
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| 10:43:22 | LinusN | "all" we need to know is if the chip is equipped with extra stuff like 12s busses and the like |
| 10:43:30 | LinusN | i2s |
| 10:44:04 | B4gder | and I believe the Neuros DSP binary chunk will become open source... :-) |
| 10:44:14 | Martinp | I'm quite friendly with the guys at Cowon - do you think I should have a go at asking them? |
| 10:44:41 | B4gder | Martinp: I don't think asking will hurt, but I think this is pretty much mandated by TI |
| 10:45:05 | Martinp | okay, so what should I ask them - Linus was just saying something about i2s |
| 10:45:07 | Martinp | what is that? |
| 10:45:09 | B4gder | Neuros has been trying pretty much to reveal info for devs |
| 10:45:30 | B4gder | and they are the ones who _buy_ these things |
| 10:46:19 | B4gder | now where's Joe when we need him? ;-) |
| 10:47:29 | RedBreva | Bluebrother^: Mornin... Have updated http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5014 - can you have a look at it when you get 5 minutes? |
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| 10:47:58 | webguest96 | can anyone help me with this error i get |
| 10:48:00 | webguest96 | cannot open firmware image file bootpartition.bin rockbox installation |
| 10:48:00 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: already noticed it, will look into it later. |
| 10:48:07 | RedBreva | Thanks... |
| 10:48:23 | LinusN | the problem is not programming the dsp, it's using the onboard peripherals |
| 10:48:49 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: I'm in germany, so my day just started some hours ago ;-) |
| 10:48:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: Is this when trying to use ipod_fw? |
| 10:49:00 | webguest96 | its 1:50 here |
| 10:49:09 | B4gder | LinusN: that should probably be revealed in the linux drivers pretty much |
| 10:49:20 | webguest96 | i get that error when i type this |
| 10:49:30 | webguest96 | hang on |
| 10:49:31 | LinusN | B4gder: how? the dsp code is not open source |
| 10:49:32 | webguest96 | let me find it |
| 10:49:43 | B4gder | ah, you mean in the DSP side of it |
| 10:49:56 | LinusN | yes, the codec interfaces etc |
| 10:50:04 | LinusN | (i2s bus) |
| 10:50:27 | RedBreva | Bluebrother^: Like the new improved keymap table macro, it seems to work really well... |
| 10:50:28 | B4gder | and it would be useful to know if these DM320 chips are different somehow |
| 10:50:43 | webguest96 | when i type |
| 10:50:43 | webguest96 | ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 10:50:58 | webguest96 | it gives me the cannot open firmware image file bootpartition.bin error |
| 10:51:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you have the bootparition.bin in the folder where you're doing this? |
| 10:51:38 | webguest96 | yes |
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| 10:51:51 | Odd1 | olla |
| 10:52:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the bootpartition.bin was extracted from an ipod that was "clean" (no rockbox bootloader or ipodlinux)? |
| 10:52:29 | webguest96 | yep |
| 10:52:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | What kind of iPod? |
| 10:52:45 | webguest96 | its my brand new 5G |
| 10:52:49 | JdGordon | can any1 help me with my perl problem?? error "Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <−− HERE in m/* <−− HERE / at ./ass1 line 37, <STDIN> line 573." code http://pastebin.com/639496 |
| 10:53:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm assuming it's Fat32 formatted already? |
| 10:53:25 | webguest96 | yes |
| 10:53:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or was initially |
| 10:53:35 | webguest96 | it came fat32 |
| 10:54:31 | B4gder | JdGordon: I would guess that $this_word contains some funny letters that screws up the regex |
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| 10:54:44 | JdGordon | any idea how to make it work? |
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| 10:55:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: How bit is your bootpartition.bin? |
| 10:55:09 | B4gder | try running quotemeta on the string before you use it |
| 10:55:23 | webguest96 | how bit?? |
| 10:55:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: big |
| 10:55:33 | webguest96 | 80 249 |
| 10:55:40 | webguest96 | er |
| 10:55:42 | webguest96 | 294 |
| 10:55:46 | webguest96 | kb |
| 10:55:51 | B4gder | JdGordon: like this: http://pastebin.com/639498 |
| 10:56:16 | B4gder | (but I missed an underscore) |
| 10:56:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the exact error message is: "cannot open firmware image file bootpartition.bin rockbox installation" |
| 10:56:37 | webguest96 | no |
| 10:56:38 | webguest96 | just |
| 10:56:38 | webguest96 | cannot open firmware image file bootpartition.bin |
| 10:56:49 | JdGordon | thans B4gder, ill give it a try.. underscroe where? |
| 10:57:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you sure you got the name right then |
| 10:57:04 | B4gder | I typed $thisword instead of $this_word |
| 10:57:06 | linuxstb | webguest96: Are you sure your "bootpartition.bin" has that exact filename? You didn't make any typos? |
| 10:57:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Double check your spelling |
| 10:57:49 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 10:57:51 | JdGordon | thanx alot |
| 10:57:51 | webguest96 | its the same |
| 10:57:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would suggest using tab-autocompletion to help out there |
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| 10:58:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: That's the error message when it doesn't find the file. Try it again, and make sure the filename is right (as you may have made the typo when you extracted it, so the file is misnamed instead of you typing it wrong in this command) |
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| 11:00:41 | webguest96 | its spelled right |
| 11:00:48 | webguest96 | i tried again |
| 11:00:50 | webguest96 | 3 times |
| 11:01:57 | webguest96 | is there someway i just can erase everything ive done and start over again? |
| 11:02:11 | webguest96 | its not too far into the installation |
| 11:02:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can always extract bootpartition.bin again |
| 11:02:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the problem you're encountering is that ipod_fw is not seeing the file. |
| 11:03:05 | webguest96 | ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin |
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| 11:03:10 | PiXEL8 | lo |
| 11:03:10 | webguest96 | to extract? |
| 11:03:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | You're 100% sure that you're in the same directory as the file when you run it, 100% sure that the file is named *exactly* bootpartition.bin and not bootparttion.bin or some very close variant? Have you tried simply renaming it to bob.bin and running the command on that? |
| 11:03:28 | PiXEL8 | is power.c where the ipod 5g power off happens? |
| 11:04:04 | JdGordon | umm.. does continue work in perl in foreach? |
| 11:04:19 | B4gder | JdGordon: use 'next;' |
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| 11:04:25 | JdGordon | ah, thanx |
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| 11:04:41 | webguest96 | same error |
| 11:04:45 | webguest96 | when its bob.bin |
| 11:05:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you're typing -e 0 bob.bin now? |
| 11:05:29 | webguest96 | yes |
| 11:05:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because that error means that the file is *not present* so reextracting it shouldn't fix thing |
| 11:06:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | bob.bin is in the same folder as ipod_fw, and you're typing the command after cding to that folder, right? |
| 11:06:02 | refnumzx | the voice files have not been updated since the AT&T ones were removed for daily builds, how can i do this? im a totally blind user |
| 11:06:24 | webguest96 | yes |
| 11:06:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | refnumzx: At the moment the new version of Rockbox isn't compatible with the older files anyway, unfortunately. |
| 11:06:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: Then will you share your .bin so that one of us can test it? |
| 11:06:59 | webguest96 | how do i share it? |
| 11:07:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Post it somewhere? |
| 11:07:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or you could just start the whole process over |
| 11:07:25 | refnumzx | know if there are plans to upgrade? |
| 11:07:35 | PiXEL8 | anyone? =) |
| 11:07:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | refnumzx: There are plans. When version 3.0 comes out there should be new voice files. This is due in a month. |
| 11:08:19 | refnumzx | rats, not in time for todays linux world conference heh. |
| 11:08:26 | refnumzx | okay well thanks |
| 11:08:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | refnumzx: Unfortunately, with the new language system, the old voice files are incompatible. |
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| 11:09:47 | webguest96 | if i start over again do i just delete the stuff i already have? |
| 11:09:59 | webguest96 | like the rockbox folder? |
| 11:09:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | refnumzx: And since the AT&T software is forbidden at the moment, it will only likely be the stock Microsoft voices for the moment, once the new language system is more stabilized. |
| 11:10:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: If you want. Or you could just delete the bootpartition.bin and extract it again, since most of the rest of that has nothing to do with it. |
| 11:10:32 | austriancoder | i want to use malloc and free in a simple xml reader (apps/xml).. is there anything i must be aware of? |
| 11:10:39 | webguest96 | and whats the line to extract it? |
| 11:10:40 | B4gder | those voice guys should try the new genlang -o option! ;-) |
| 11:10:41 | crashd | was the wiki page updated for Mayday, to say which features got froze? |
| 11:10:53 | Mikachu | austriancoder: i don't think rockbox has malloc |
| 11:10:58 | B4gder | austriancoder: yes, that there is no malloc or free |
| 11:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: What line created the file? |
| 11:11:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you use dd, or ipodpatcher, or what? |
| 11:11:24 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I have voice files which work properly for current cvs |
| 11:11:31 | amiconn | Both at&t and microsoft |
| 11:11:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Tell that to refnumzx. Then give them to me, for testing purposes. :-P |
| 11:11:41 | B4gder | nice |
| 11:11:47 | austriancoder | B4gder: any other way to to it? |
| 11:11:50 | B4gder | Cassandra: here? |
| 11:12:07 | webguest96 | i used ipodpatcher |
| 11:12:09 | B4gder | austriancoder: use, don't use malloc ;-) |
| 11:12:12 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Do you want to do this in the core of Rockbox or a plugin? |
| 11:12:22 | webguest96 | i followed the exact instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 11:12:22 | * | B4gder can't type |
| 11:12:41 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i want to do it in the core |
| 11:12:58 | linuxstb | webguest96: Can you type "dir" in your rockbox directory and then post a screenshot of what's there? |
| 11:13:00 | B4gder | austriancoder: then use a fixed-size buffer |
| 11:13:27 | B4gder | but an xml parser in the core... sounds like a hard bargain for you to get that added |
| 11:13:42 | Mikachu | what xml do you want to parse? |
| 11:13:49 | crashd | i was thinking an xml parser would be useful tho |
| 11:13:56 | crashd | for configs and datasets |
| 11:14:00 | crashd | but yeah, it's gonna be a real drain ;\ |
| 11:14:03 | LinusN | why on earth do we want that? |
| 11:14:03 | B4gder | as a plugin, sure |
| 11:14:12 | linuxstb | What's wrong with "key: value" for config files? |
| 11:14:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: Configs already have a parser... Datasheets? |
| 11:14:30 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, all im saying is a standardised way of parsing datasets and so on within rockbox |
| 11:14:35 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: clean your glasses |
| 11:14:49 | crashd | don't be so reactionary for chrissake |
| 11:15:06 | LinusN | xml tends to do that to me |
| 11:15:09 | crashd | heh |
| 11:15:10 | B4gder | xml is scary |
| 11:15:22 | LinusN | B4gder: no, xml zealots are scary |
| 11:15:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And rather overblown for what rockbox is. |
| 11:15:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:16:02 | austriancoder | okay.. then i will use the nativ config file parser for my stuff |
| 11:16:18 | LinusN | please do, if it is possible |
| 11:16:40 | B4gder | I vote for plain text anyday |
| 11:17:13 | petur | if you want xml for config stuff, a sax parser should be more than enough, also very low on mem usage and code complexity |
| 11:17:32 | petur | you don't really need a full-spec dom parser |
| 11:17:33 | austriancoder | where can i find the current config file parser? |
| 11:17:57 | austriancoder | my xml parser wont be a dom parser |
| 11:18:01 | webguest96 | http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/ilovehardxcore/fjh.png |
| 11:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a little too tiny to read |
| 11:18:26 | petur | hahaha |
| 11:18:27 | webguest96 | crap |
| 11:18:36 | petur | love the url too |
| 11:18:39 | webguest96 | it looks weird cause my other desktops over there too |
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| 11:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could also trim so that it's just the directory listing |
| 11:19:02 | webguest96 | kk |
| 11:19:09 | linuxstb | midkay: Is your 5g's firmware partition 112MB? Mine is 80MB, the same as the Nano. |
| 11:19:17 | petur | use ALT-printscreen |
| 11:19:18 | webguest96 | its 2 19 in the morning here so im tired |
| 11:19:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's 4:19 here. :) |
| 11:19:35 | webguest96 | im running on candy tho |
| 11:19:36 | webguest96 | haha |
| 11:19:49 | webguest96 | candy and rockstars |
| 11:19:55 | webguest96 | all i need for a long night |
| 11:20:13 | petur | webguest96: use ALT-printscreen to copy the active window only |
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| 11:23:23 | webguest96 | paul would still having files from my installation of IPL on my nano on my computer effect this somehow? |
| 11:23:52 | Mikachu | 10:52:08 <Paul_The_Nerd> And the bootpartition.bin was extracted from an |
| 11:23:52 | Mikachu | ipod that was "clean" (no rockbox bootloader or ipodlinux)? |
| 11:23:52 | Mikachu | 10:52:30 <webguest96> yep |
| 11:24:17 | Mikachu | oh, missed "on my computer" :) |
| 11:24:31 | webguest96 | it was for a differant ipod |
| 11:24:41 | Mikachu | right, then it shouldn't matter |
| 11:24:47 | webguest96 | k thanks |
| 11:24:54 | Mikachu | assuming you're not in the same actual directory |
| 11:24:58 | webguest96 | its not |
| 11:25:25 | webguest96 | soo... how bout that weather |
| 11:25:43 | Mikachu | dunno, curtains closed |
| 11:25:49 | webguest96 | haha |
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| 11:27:27 | webguest96 | its taking forever to upload the screen shot |
| 11:30:53 | webguest96 | http://media3.uploadjar.com/image.php?img=uploads/fts.gif |
| 11:30:55 | webguest96 | there finally |
| 11:31:37 | Mikachu | um, you have a bob.bin.bin, but no bob.bin |
| 11:32:16 | webguest96 | theres a bootpartition.bin tho |
| 11:34:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed there is. |
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| 11:35:25 | webguest96 | so is there some obviously huge mistake im making or.... other stuff |
| 11:35:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | If, from that command prompt there you're typing the command, it does make very little sense. |
| 11:36:19 | Mikachu | like that sentence :) |
| 11:37:13 | webguest96 | I was worried I was just being an idiot |
| 11:37:25 | Mikachu | that's not ruled out yet :) |
| 11:37:33 | webguest96 | of course not |
| 11:37:36 | webguest96 | it never truly is |
| 11:37:42 | webguest96 | at least not with me |
| 11:38:05 | | Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.11 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 11:39:02 | webguest96 | so does this happen much or are my ipod/computer just retarded |
| 11:39:35 | Mikachu | i've never seen the problem persist after "are you sure you spelled it right?" |
| 11:40:03 | webguest96 | ha |
| 11:40:07 | webguest96 | i KNEW i could spell! |
| 11:40:16 | webguest96 | i was however worried for a bit |
| 11:40:55 | webguest96 | paul? any ideas? |
| 11:41:03 | webguest96 | or any ideas from anyone for that matter |
| 11:41:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really don't know. |
| 11:41:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only thing I can think of is this |
| 11:41:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there *any* other copy of ipod_fw somewhere on your computer? |
| 11:41:54 | webguest96 | one moment |
| 11:42:11 | webguest96 | nope |
| 11:42:23 | webguest96 | i was scared it would be with the ipl stuff but nothin in there |
| 11:43:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Type ipod_fw somewhere other than in the rockbox directory. I'm kinda wondering if there's a copy somewhere in the path or something |
| 11:44:18 | webguest96 | what do you mean? |
| 11:44:27 | webguest96 | like in another command prompt? |
| 11:44:34 | Mikachu | cd \ |
| 11:44:36 | Mikachu | ipod_fw |
| 11:44:37 | linuxstb | webguest96: Or just use try the command with "bob.bin.bin" |
| 11:44:44 | webguest96 | i did |
| 11:44:50 | webguest96 | when i saw that i had put 2 bins |
| 11:45:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just cd .. or something, then type ipod_fw |
| 11:45:51 | webguest96 | ipod fw is not recognized as an internal |
| 11:45:53 | webguest96 | blah blah |
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| 11:47:08 | linuxstb | All I can suggest is completely deleting your rockbox folder and starting again. You don't need to put all those files from .rockbox in there either. |
| 11:48:00 | webguest96 | ill do that then |
| 11:48:05 | webguest96 | didnt take too long the first time |
| 11:48:18 | Mikachu | i would also suggest sleeping and trying tomorrow :) |
| 11:49:02 | refnumzx | hmm? sorry i went away somebody called me? |
| 11:49:18 | refnumzx | scroll back died and all i saw was a reference to me |
| 11:50:01 | linuxstb | refnumzx: This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 11:50:54 | petur | refnumzx: [11:11] <amiconn> Paul_The_Nerd: I have voice files which work properly for current cvs |
| 11:51:45 | webguest96 | Well it seems to be working now guys |
| 11:51:50 | webguest96 | at least that part has |
| 11:52:19 | webguest96 | im going to continue installing and if i have problems ill be sure to bother you some more with them |
| 11:52:34 | refnumzx | looks good, url? :) |
| 11:52:48 | * | petur kicks amiconn |
| 11:52:55 | webguest96 | wait, you want another screen shot? |
| 11:53:23 | refnumzx | gonna record some keynotes, should be interesting |
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| 11:54:09 | webguest96 | what do you want it of? |
| 11:54:27 | Mikachu | i don't think anyone asked for a screenshot |
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| 11:54:35 | webguest96 | i am soooo lost |
| 11:54:45 | webguest96 | im just gonna stop now |
| 11:54:50 | webguest96 | and be quiet |
| 11:55:08 | webguest96 | after i say thank you you guys because id probably be more lost right now |
| 11:55:11 | webguest96 | if not for you |
| 11:55:22 | linuxstb | webguest96: I thought you said it was working now? |
| 11:55:27 | webguest96 | it is |
| 11:55:41 | linuxstb | Then why are you lost? Just keep following the instructions. |
| 11:55:50 | webguest96 | im finished now actaully |
| 11:56:02 | webguest96 | i was just lost about a screen shot thing up there |
| 11:56:04 | webguest96 | but nevermind |
| 11:56:06 | webguest96 | forget about it |
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| 11:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still wish I knew why it was doing that.. |
| 11:56:54 | webguest96 | it was probably some really dumb mistake on my part |
| 11:57:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'eh. Every now and then errors show up that are real, but defy all reasoning. |
| 11:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then vanish. |
| 11:58:59 | webguest96 | well thanks anyways guys |
| 11:59:08 | webguest96 | im gonna play with it for awhile |
| 11:59:40 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: From reading last night logs, I wasn't sure if you knew that Doom now works on the H100. kkurbjun is using the grayscale lib. |
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| 12:00:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I was not aware it worked yet, no. I keep missing things in the changelog. |
| 12:00:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I've been watching for that one too, as I've got an H120 and I wanted to show it off to some people just because that'll impress them a lot more than the actually useful features. |
| 12:01:16 | linuxstb | AFAIK, the current Doom status is correct on the wiki page - it works on the h100, h300, the ipod Color/Photo, Nano and Video. It doesn't yet work on the X5 for an unknown reason. |
| 12:01:30 | Mikachu | it would be useful if the frontpage log was a tad longer, the since2.5 is way too long and doesn't update as often either |
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| 12:02:22 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, battery meter seems to work fine now, with the enabled LIION define |
| 12:02:37 | preglow | i think i'll commit that |
| 12:02:54 | * | Mikachu reverts patch from tracker |
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| 12:03:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Thanks then. |
| 12:04:37 | preglow | so there's a patch for it too... |
| 12:04:47 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4998 |
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| 12:05:09 | preglow | yeah, looking at it |
| 12:05:16 | refnumzx | er.. voice files? |
| 12:05:17 | preglow | anyone who can try it should feel free to commit |
| 12:05:44 | Mikachu | i've had it applied two days or so, but i haven't gone below 80% so i can't say how accurate it is |
| 12:07:15 | amiconn | refnumzx: pm... |
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| 12:10:37 | preglow | at least the scale factor is wrong |
| 12:10:43 | preglow | that's specified in the pcf datasheet, afaik |
| 12:10:46 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva? |
| 12:12:04 | amiconn | preglow: Using the ipodvideo battery scalefactor gives correct voltage readings on my mini2g |
| 12:12:23 | amiconn | Using BATTERY_LIPOL1300 also gives (roughly) correct percentages |
| 12:12:43 | amiconn | I didn't perform a full rundown, but will do so soon |
| 12:13:10 | RedBreva | hello |
| 12:13:33 | linuxstb | I'm about to run battery_bench on my 4g color. Just to check, I should uncomment CONFIG_BATTERY and #define the scalefactor to be the same as the 5g? |
| 12:13:35 | preglow | yeah, so will i, when i fix the ata bug |
| 12:13:52 | preglow | linuxstb: scalefactor is almost certainly the same as on 5g |
| 12:14:13 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: is your text editor automatically removing trailing spaces? |
| 12:14:13 | amiconn | yes, since it's the same chip |
| 12:14:52 | RedBreva | I think it may be... I keep switching it off, but it seems to reset :( |
| 12:15:06 | bluebrother^ | it seems your last patch contains a lot of changes in trailing spaces. |
| 12:15:18 | bluebrother^ | which somewhat blows it up. |
| 12:15:34 | RedBreva | I wondered why it was so frickin big! |
| 12:15:44 | bluebrother^ | :) |
| 12:15:53 | bluebrother^ | I'm just reading over it. |
| 12:16:20 | bluebrother^ | earlier I haven't had syntax highlighting ... makes it really hard to read :o |
| 12:16:29 | bluebrother^ | but now I'm back to vim :) |
| 12:17:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you ran battery_bench on your mini? If so, how many hours runtime did you get? |
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| 12:26:21 | webguest96 | so im looking at all these plugins but i dont know how to get them... im retarded i know, but help please? |
| 12:26:28 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: you can tell diff to ignore whitespace changes with -b |
| 12:26:41 | linuxstb | Where are you looking? They should be installed when you install Rockbox. |
| 12:26:44 | bluebrother^ | I just tried it, you diff gets 200 lines shorter ;-) |
| 12:28:09 | RedBreva | OK, I'll file that one away under "Stop Pissing Dev's Off" ;-) |
| 12:28:40 | linuxstb | Maybe a separate patch that cleans up the whitespace could be useful though? |
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| 12:30:23 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: I just removed your whitespace changes ... fortunately its not really complicated |
| 12:30:54 | RedBreva | Cheers... |
| 12:31:13 | bluebrother^ | now I know why the wiki tells to use "diff -ub". |
| 12:31:39 | RedBreva | What's the -u do? |
| 12:31:56 | B4gder | -u is for unified |
| 12:32:02 | bluebrother^ | unified format |
| 12:32:03 | B4gder | its the style of the diff |
| 12:32:04 | bluebrother^ | gtg now. |
| 12:32:25 | RedBreva | OK - thanks again |
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| 12:32:32 | Galois | I don't see any BATT_LIPOL340 as claimed in the patch description |
| 12:33:10 | linuxstb | B4gder: What do you think about removing the 3g from the daily/cvs downloads? (but keep it in the build table). It's not working, and there is no developer with a 3g. |
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| 12:34:37 | B4gder | ok |
| 12:34:39 | Galois | preglow, I think what you checked into CVS was an old version of nanobatt.patch right? |
| 12:36:00 | B4gder | 3g versions hidden now |
| 12:36:34 | linuxstb | Thanks. I do hope slimx returns though, or someone else with a 3g comes to pick it up. |
| 12:37:10 | B4gder | nice and green table |
| 12:37:22 | linuxstb | Time for the release then? :) |
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| 12:39:02 | preglow | Galois: no, it's a few mods i did to make it work |
| 12:39:24 | Galois | oh so this is just the lite version? |
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| 12:42:39 | preglow | this isn't the patch in any way |
| 12:42:46 | preglow | it's something i did |
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| 12:44:37 | XavierGr | do I need crosscomilers to build the manual? |
| 12:44:46 | B4gder | no |
| 12:45:07 | XavierGr | strange the config dialog puts a warning about it |
| 12:45:19 | XavierGr | and the build process fails |
| 12:45:22 | B4gder | that's a flaw in configure |
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| 12:56:34 | webguest96 | Im announcing to the world, my love for rockbox, it is true love and noone or thing can stop it. |
| 12:56:49 | B4gder | :-) |
| 12:57:25 | B4gder | spring time makes love burst out ;-) |
| 12:57:43 | webguest96 | very true, and i could no longer hold it in |
| 12:58:39 | webguest96 | im sooo tired but i cant sleep at all |
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| 13:00:06 | * | B4gder updated HowtoUpdateLangfile |
| 13:00:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: [12:12:44] <amiconn> I didn't perform a full rundown, but will do so soon |
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| 13:05:17 | LinusN | linuxstb: doom is reported to work on the x5 if you run the metronome plugin first (!) |
| 13:06:00 | amiconn | Timer init #ifdefed wrong, I'd guess |
| 13:06:22 | B4gder | the secret metronome backdoor trick! |
| 13:06:52 | preglow | can i also hack nasa doing that? |
| 13:07:01 | B4gder | sure |
| 13:07:07 | B4gder | just start metronome first |
| 13:07:15 | * | preglow writes an extortion letter |
| 13:08:01 | XavierGr | xaxa |
| 13:08:08 | XavierGr | how is that possible? |
| 13:08:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, sorry - I read that after I asked the question... |
| 13:09:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you talking about the time init possibly being #ifdefed wrong in Doom? |
| 13:10:11 | amiconn | Yes, but I just checked, and it doesn't look like that |
| 13:11:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: But the timer_unregister() call is wrong (nothing to do with the X5 issue) |
| 13:11:31 | linuxstb | Does metronome use the user timer? |
| 13:11:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:12:57 | linuxstb | Do you just mean the #ifdef logic is wrong for time_unregister()? If so, I'll fix. |
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| 13:14:39 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:14:56 | amiconn | The logig should be identical to that used for timer_register(9 |
| 13:15:02 | amiconn | *logic |
| 13:15:20 | linuxstb | Yep. Committing now. I've also added a comment saying why we need to do it. |
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| 13:18:46 | webguest95 | will the ability to display mulitple fonts for different screens be supported in v3 for the h1xx's |
| 13:18:50 | ashridah | am i reading CVS mailouts right? does the H1xx play doom now? |
| 13:19:18 | linuxstb | ashridah: It does indeed. |
| 13:19:48 | ashridah | god damnit. just my luck. my copies of doom*.wad are on a SATA hd i can't get to |
| 13:19:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest95: I don't recall seeing it on the ReleaseTodo page. |
| 13:20:10 | webguest95 | thanks, thats a shame |
| 13:20:11 | amiconn | It's quite dark though. Maybe we should use a hand-made gamma table in the palette generation |
| 13:20:34 | Slasheri | hehe, now i would say that tagcache browser is pretty advanced by its conditional search capability :) probably committing that today evening |
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| 13:21:30 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 13:21:44 | linuxstb | Was supporting multiple fonts discussed at devcon for inclusion in 3.1 and rejected, or just not discussed? |
| 13:22:00 | B4gder | I don't think we discussed it |
| 13:22:15 | B4gder | and since it isn't in for 3.0, let's hope we'll get it for 3.1! |
| 13:22:41 | * | amiconn prods Slasheri and mentions chunked browsing... |
| 13:23:01 | Slasheri | now all entries in the tagcache browser root menu are fully user configurable |
| 13:23:12 | Slasheri | amiconn: yeah, that would be probably the next thing to fix :) |
| 13:23:21 | * | linuxstb notices that the majority (6 to 5) of the 3.1 features are eye-candy... |
| 13:23:39 | Slasheri | and user may add there so many entries as he wish |
| 13:23:47 | B4gder | I think most of the 3.1 things mentioned are just things we decided we wouldn't fit in 3.0 |
| 13:25:38 | linuxstb | Is anyone planning to do the work to add a [Database] virtual directory to the file browser? |
| 13:26:40 | amiconn | we're within feature freeze now... |
| 13:28:06 | Bg3r | B4gder good work on the NewPort topic |
| 13:28:24 | B4gder | should work as a start |
| 13:28:35 | petur | maybe checking if software upgrades are possible should go first? |
| 13:28:47 | B4gder | hehe |
| 13:29:03 | B4gder | not a bad idea |
| 13:30:31 | amiconn | The simulators should simulate the user timer... |
| 13:31:09 | linuxstb | Also, do any targets have more than one spare user timer? |
| 13:31:16 | amiconn | Yes |
| 13:31:24 | amiconn | We could use several timers on archos |
| 13:31:31 | amiconn | SH1 has 5 (!) timers |
| 13:31:40 | amiconn | We currently use 3 |
| 13:31:48 | amiconn | (including the user timer) |
| 13:31:51 | linuxstb | Did preglow ever mention the ipod's capability? |
| 13:31:56 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 13:32:12 | amiconn | PP has 2 programmable timers, and one fixed microsecond timer afaik |
| 13:33:01 | amiconn | Coldfire has just 2 timers |
| 13:36:12 | LinusN | really lame |
| 13:36:59 | B4gder | amiconn/LinusN: please have a look at my NewPort page when you have a moment |
| 13:37:20 | B4gder | I want to use it as a generic "point-to" URL when people ask for new ports |
| 13:38:30 | LinusN | B4gder: i have already changed it |
| 13:38:36 | B4gder | ah |
| 13:38:38 | B4gder | nice |
| 13:42:24 | JdGordon | " it may require various degrees of violence." haha |
| 13:42:25 | scf | amiconn: didnt expect to meet amigan here :-) |
| 13:44:07 | JdGordon | booo! boring build table... |
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| 13:46:43 | B4gder | http://www.tikorea.co.kr/seminar/tidc/file/ingenient%20-%20TIDC2005.Korea.PMP.Presentation-2005.04.17.pdf |
| 13:46:51 | B4gder | interesting little thing |
| 13:46:55 | * | linuxstb has the itch to start work on a new target again... |
| 13:47:16 | crashd | hehe |
| 13:47:25 | crashd | which target you thinking of linuxstb ? |
| 13:47:43 | preglow | gigabeat! |
| 13:48:05 | linuxstb | Yes, the H10 and gigabeat are the two I've been considering. But I really want a 120GB player... |
| 13:48:11 | crashd | heh |
| 13:48:16 | linuxstb | Second best would be two 60GB... :) |
| 13:48:17 | XavierGr | VMware image H100 simulator Full build : 1.58s |
| 13:48:34 | XavierGr | Cygwin the same: 4.58s |
| 13:50:04 | linuxstb | How is your vmware accessing your disk? Is it via a virtual local network connection? |
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| 13:51:11 | XavierGr | ha,first I did the test with a shared folder on windows. It was slowwwwww. Then I rerun the test with a folder inside the virtual machine disk, which gave linux 2.00 minutes time |
| 13:53:03 | linuxstb | Is that tip on the vmware wiki page? |
| 13:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | vmware should default to that way, I thought |
| 13:53:21 | XavierGr | yes |
| 13:53:51 | XavierGr | currently on the vmware image there are no vmware tools installed. So the user can't make the build to a windows shared folder |
| 13:54:17 | XavierGr | I just made a new vmware image with vmware tools installed X and fluxbox. |
| 13:54:32 | XavierGr | I will refine it a little more and see if we can replace the existing one |
| 13:54:59 | XavierGr | I did that mostly to be able to build the sim and manual. |
| 13:58:45 | * | linuxstb manages to quit Doom on the ipod, but got a message saying there were 3 files open... |
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| 14:00:53 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. hi |
| 14:01:24 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: The hold switch now bring up the menu in doom on the ipod. |
| 14:01:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: What toggles run now, then? |
| 14:01:44 | linuxstb | Nothing... |
| 14:02:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I would recommend making it permanently on then, for the moment. There are places you have to "jump" gaps. |
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| 14:02:39 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how to do that - best to ask kkurbjun. |
| 14:02:59 | linuxstb | But at least it's playable now, and you can exit it. |
| 14:03:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye |
| 14:03:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Last time I exited it (from the initial menu) it gave me the three files open warning, and then shut down my ipod (which refused to come back on without a menu/select reset) |
| 14:03:46 | linuxstb | There are lots of improvements that could be made though - e.g. using different buttons in the menu to the actual game. |
| 14:04:05 | linuxstb | Yes, I got that 3 files open warning. That's not good. |
| 14:04:49 | linuxstb | I think the shutting down bug was due to the timer_unregister() function being wrong - amiconn spotted that mistake this morning, and I committed a fix. |
| 14:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, okay |
| 14:05:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I don't exactly play it, so I just tried it briefly. :) |
| 14:05:15 | linuxstb | At least, Rockbox still works fine for me after leaving doom. |
| 14:05:33 | linuxstb | (but those unclosed files will soon add up and cause a problem). |
| 14:06:44 | linuxstb | Ah no, checking the source, the files do seem to be closed. That's just a warning to say that Doom itself didn't close them, so kkurbjun closes them. (if you know what I mean) |
| 14:07:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
| 14:07:36 | linuxstb | So all seems fine now. |
| 14:07:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure I'll hear about it if Doom starts causing people problems. :) |
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| 14:12:06 | Triple-z | hello |
| 14:12:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hi |
| 14:13:22 | petur | zzz |
| 14:13:35 | Triple-z | maybe someone know if theres an option to do shuffle by folder in rockbox for H3XX? to hear random albums but in the orginal order |
| 14:13:59 | Triple-z | just installed rockbox :P |
| 14:14:21 | ashridah | not via any method i can think of, unfortunately. |
| 14:14:36 | Triple-z | i was awesome back in my archos jukebox days |
| 14:14:39 | Triple-z | hmm |
| 14:14:43 | Triple-z | bummer |
| 14:14:49 | Triple-z | i=it |
| 14:14:53 | ashridah | may be possible with tagcache in the future tho |
| 14:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does "move to next folder" do, if you play one folder and shuffle it? |
| 14:15:00 | * | petur considers this a bug ;) |
| 14:15:01 | ashridah | since it already does album sorting |
| 14:15:55 | B4gder | red red red |
| 14:16:03 | Triple-z | paul: huh? |
| 14:16:22 | * | B4gder drags Bg3r out in the open. now clean up this mess you made on the floor! ;-) |
| 14:16:38 | ashridah | Triple-z: he was asking a question that's not entirely related to your problem. |
| 14:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Triple-z: Oh, I reversed your intent. |
| 14:17:08 | ashridah | really, he wants random albums, not the "next" album |
| 14:17:10 | Triple-z | i only found an old thread for this feature: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1303.0 but its very old |
| 14:17:13 | Bg3r | B4gder ah |
| 14:17:21 | linuxstb | In fact, I would quite like a "random album" facility. |
| 14:17:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: I caught that after a little time. :) |
| 14:17:32 | crashd | linuxstb: seconded |
| 14:17:41 | crashd | often times ill be out and about and spend ten minutes flitting between albums |
| 14:17:43 | ashridah | bit late now, freeze and all :) |
| 14:17:45 | crashd | be nice for rockbox to decide for me ;) |
| 14:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I'd like the ability to play a whole artist, rather than being force to just play one album by him. |
| 14:17:54 | linuxstb | ashridah: Yes, definitely something for post 3.0 |
| 14:18:09 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: definently sounds like it should be coupled with tagcache then |
| 14:18:18 | ashridah | ie "shuffle by <insert field> |
| 14:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: I kinda expected to be able to insert an Artist or Genre like I could insert a folder in directory browser, but it seems not. |
| 14:18:43 | Triple-z | anyone know if this feature is requested for H3XX? |
| 14:18:47 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: the interface isn't really up to scratch |
| 14:18:52 | ashridah | Triple-z: it is now. |
| 14:19:01 | Triple-z | :] |
| 14:19:23 | ashridah | well, not officially, yet. |
| 14:19:26 | linuxstb | Triple-z: You should search the feature requests on the website and add it if it's not there. It won't be specific to the H3x0 - it will be for all Rockbox targets together. |
| 14:19:28 | ashridah | but with that much interest |
| 14:19:46 | Triple-z | ok gotcha |
| 14:19:56 | B4gder | only 422 open requests atm... :-O |
| 14:20:09 | linuxstb | hehe. So Rockbox is far from finished... |
| 14:20:10 | Bg3r | :D |
| 14:20:19 | B4gder | yes, still work left for us! |
| 14:20:26 | linuxstb | phew |
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| 14:21:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, my laptop has just done something horrible, so I may be gone for a while |
| 14:21:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems that my AC adapter has fused itself to the plug inside of the laptop. This is Not A Good Thing (TM) |
| 14:22:14 | ashridah | ... how?! |
| 14:22:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do not know. |
| 14:22:26 | ashridah | there's no-where near enough current for a spot-weld, surely |
| 14:22:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | The rubber on it is slightly discolored, it is now slightly deformed, and applying moderate force does not dislodge it. |
| 14:23:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had noticed an odd smell earlier, but at the same time I have a severe cold and it was faint so I assumed it was just something wafting in through the window. |
| 14:23:23 | Triple-z | when rockbox on H3xx is connected to the pc with usb2.0 it also charges the player? no need to plug the dc too? |
| 14:23:39 | Triple-z | sorry for my noob quastions |
| 14:23:47 | Bg3r | petur btw any progress with the isp1362 ? |
| 14:24:15 | petur | nope but Spare Time (tm) coming up soon :) |
| 14:24:23 | linuxstb | Bg3r: Are you going to fix the red builds? If not, I can do it. |
| 14:26:15 | Triple-z | well i think i found it already requasted http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 |
| 14:26:36 | Bg3r | linuxstb i'm compiling atm |
| 14:26:38 | Bg3r | :) |
| 14:26:46 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: whoa. that's extreme, that kind of damage usually goes hand in hand with a short. has a fuse tripped somewhere along the line as well? |
| 14:26:48 | Bg3r | %s/\<exit\>/done/gc |
| 14:27:06 | linuxstb | :) I was going to do s/exit/quit/ |
| 14:27:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | ahsridah: It has not. I suspect that maybe the plastic around it has melted to it. No spot weld, just minor melting. |
| 14:27:26 | ashridah | anyone got a quick link to shareware doom1.wad |
| 14:27:27 | ashridah | ? |
| 14:27:35 | linuxstb | ashridah: It's on the PluginDoom wiki page now. |
| 14:27:36 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: ah |
| 14:27:49 | ashridah | linuxstb: tar |
| 14:27:58 | Bg3r | linuxstb, B4gder commited |
| 14:28:14 | amiconn | Thou shalt not use global symbols with standard names |
| 14:28:22 | * | B4gder hands Bg3r his 280 points on a silver plate |
| 14:28:31 | Bg3r | haha |
| 14:28:48 | amiconn | Same goes for main() in plugins. This *will* crash cygwin sims |
| 14:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, I'm shutting down now. Be back some arbitrary amount of time in the future. Really, just need to replace the power supply in my desktop |
| 14:28:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd waves |
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| 14:29:54 | Triple-z | thanks for the info guys |
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| 14:34:09 | Bg3r | ok, green again, but pitty for the build table ... |
| 14:35:17 | ashridah | so commit 19 meaningless changes :) |
| 14:35:25 | ashridah | (and watch the build servers come and lynch you) |
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| 14:39:15 | Bg3r | yep |
| 14:42:02 | amiconn | B4gder: What about my extra per-red-target score idea? |
| 14:42:32 | B4gder | I didn't see that |
| 14:43:17 | amiconn | Well, my idea was that 3 errors in one build are less severe than one error in 3 builds |
| 14:43:29 | B4gder | right |
| 14:43:33 | amiconn | So we could add an extra score per broken build |
| 14:43:42 | petur | what about earning points when fixing stuff from the tracker and losing them by the build result :P |
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| 14:47:21 | ashridah | is there any way to make doom visible on the H1xx? it's a dark blur atm |
| 14:48:06 | Bg3r | evil amiconn :P |
| 14:48:17 | linuxstb | There is a "gamma" setting in the menu. |
| 14:48:23 | linuxstb | (the in-game Doom menu) |
| 14:48:56 | linuxstb | But even with that it's still too dark... So it needs work. |
| 14:49:00 | ashridah | linuxstb: i can't even read that! |
| 14:49:26 | linuxstb | The second menu option is "Options", and then the third item should be the gamma. |
| 14:49:28 | linuxstb | (IIRC) |
| 14:49:41 | ashridah | heh. my mate's got a H3xx. and another has an ipod video, i'll have to get them to give it a try. |
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| 14:50:18 | linuxstb | Sounds like a perfect setup for networked doom... |
| 14:50:39 | ashridah | ah, if we were going to play games, we'd go to the graphics labs |
| 14:50:54 | ashridah | has pretty much any game that runs under linux installed with accounts for anyone who asks nicely |
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| 14:53:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: 'Networked' doom should be possible with the iPods - via the serial port |
| 14:53:15 | JdGordon | and the h300 with usb-otg?? |
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| 14:55:01 | ashridah | couldn't you rig up something using whatever whackiness the iriver remotes are hooked up with as well? |
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| 14:57:06 | ashridah | anyway, time to sleep. |
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| 14:58:47 | XavierGr | hmm what the heck? |
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| 14:59:41 | XavierGr | I export the path to the crosscompiler folder. It will build fine. Then when I try to make the crosscompiler is not included again in the PATH. |
| 14:59:49 | XavierGr | (I do this through an Xterm) |
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| 15:00:41 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you add the mini 2G to the frontpage target list? |
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| 15:02:18 | B4gder | sure thing! |
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| 15:03:05 | B4gder | done |
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| 15:06:00 | amiconn | thx |
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| 15:08:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: Well, someone needs to investigate the usbotg chip, and then implement a compact, efficient usb stack... |
| 15:09:17 | JdGordon | bah! simple |
| 15:10:33 | * | petur mutters some excuses for being so slow in investigating usbotg |
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| 15:11:51 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 15:13:25 | petur | JdGordon: see here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport (especially at the bottom) |
| 15:14:18 | * | JdGordon was dreaming-joking about the doom-over-usbotg.. |
| 15:14:39 | * | petur knows :P |
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| 15:18:26 | PaulJ | Hi, i have a problem with the recording feature on my h320: |
| 15:19:12 | petur | speak... |
| 15:19:26 | PaulJ | when i tryed to copy 2 files that were recorded on the same day windows XP crashed with a bluescreen... |
| 15:20:00 | petur | euh |
| 15:20:11 | petur | reproducable? |
| 15:20:25 | JdGordon | B4gder: re http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort, i thin there should be a sticky in the forums saying "we dont port on a request basis.. if u have the know-how look there, else wait and prey.." but in nicer language.. |
| 15:20:26 | PaulJ | i ran chkdsk and it said that there was more than one entry R350303-.WAV in the recordings folder. |
| 15:20:53 | PaulJ | the problem is reproduceable |
| 15:21:14 | B4gder | JdGordon: I don't think it'll help |
| 15:21:18 | linuxstb | Hmm. Shortname/longname problem? |
| 15:21:19 | petur | and the files are named like ^^ |
| 15:21:27 | B4gder | people just don't read "stickies" in forums |
| 15:21:57 | JdGordon | ye, but ppl would more likly see the sticky then the wiki.. and it means u can fun with the close thread button :D |
| 15:22:12 | B4gder | and instead of referring people back to to a stuck post, we can instead refer to the wiki page |
| 15:22:34 | B4gder | since the wiki page can be edited by us all |
| 15:22:57 | petur | PaulJ: the filename should be: Ryymmdd-hhmmss.wav |
| 15:23:54 | petur | what are the names in explorer? |
| 15:24:36 | PaulJ | in the explorer i saw the long name (Ryymmdd-hhmmss.wav). |
| 15:25:54 | PaulJ | btw. linux didn't complain when i copied the files on my pc, so it might be a problem with windows |
| 15:26:26 | petur | well I've copied same day recordings to W2K several times without problems |
| 15:27:14 | petur | linuxstb: who's responsible for creating the short name? |
| 15:27:31 | linuxstb | PaulJ: If you do "dir /x" from the DOS command prompt, what short names does it give you? |
| 15:27:41 | linuxstb | petur: Rockbox is. |
| 15:28:10 | petur | in the fat32 implementation I guess? |
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| 15:29:28 | linuxstb | petur: Yes. in firmware/drivers/fat.c |
| 15:30:45 | PaulJ | linuxstb: 04.04.1999 15:28 2.220.076 R990404-.WAV R990404-152819.wav |
| 15:30:45 | PaulJ | 04.04.1999 15:28 1.523.756 R990404-.WAV R990404-152838.wav |
| 15:30:57 | petur | yuck |
| 15:31:05 | linuxstb | PaulJ: That looks like the bug then. Could you post it to the bug tracker? |
| 15:31:14 | linuxstb | Include that output showing the shortnames are the same. |
| 15:31:43 | B4gder | wow |
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| 15:35:29 | XavierGr | can someone help with the PATH designation? |
| 15:35:57 | XavierGr | shouldn't "exprot PATH" save it universally? |
| 15:36:17 | midkay | only for that session, i'm pretty sure.. |
| 15:36:27 | midkay | and just for the current user.. |
| 15:36:40 | XavierGr | so how can I make it permanent |
| 15:36:49 | midkay | add it to .bashrc, i believe.. |
| 15:36:59 | midkay | must run. bbl. |
| 15:37:06 | XavierGr | ah okay. That isn't refered to the wiki |
| 15:37:25 | midkay | i think you're kind of expected to know it, or ask... i did the latter. :) |
| 15:37:27 | midkay | seeya. |
| 15:37:36 | XavierGr | thanks |
| 15:37:41 | linuxstb | The vmware image could set the paths globally - e.g. in /etc/profile |
| 15:37:59 | XavierGr | yup that's where I store my aliases and functions |
| 15:38:10 | XavierGr | I should add the commands there |
| 15:38:30 | linuxstb | There will probably already be an "export PATH=" line there - just add the extra directory(ies) to it. |
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| 15:53:50 | SereR0KR | just a lil question, is anyone working on MacPod Support for RockBox? |
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| 16:00:10 | webguest51 | Hey, I was in here yesterday complaining about the doom buttonmappings, and now I see that the ones on the wiki don't match reality.. any chance someone could fix reality? |
| 16:00:34 | B4gder | SereR0KR: nopes |
| 16:00:46 | B4gder | feel free to start! |
| 16:02:57 | linuxstb | SereR0KR: Out of curiosity, what's the reason you won't convert to FAT32? |
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| 16:40:44 | Thoughts_ | hi all |
| 16:41:40 | | Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) |
| 16:42:00 | Thoughts_ | I've just updated my rockbox to the latest optimized build for H140, and now Im trying to get doom to work. Where the heck should I put the .wad files? Ive tried everywhere... |
| 16:42:19 | linuxstb | www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 16:43:09 | Thoughts_ | but Ive tired that! Me thinks... *will try again* |
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| 16:43:41 | linuxstb | Have you also copied "rockdoom.wad" there? Also, try with an official Rockbox build. |
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| 16:45:11 | hardeep | Is there any reason we don't automatically set the id3 genre_string for "known" genres instead of requiring a call to get_id3_genre() ? |
| 16:45:24 | hardeep | for mp3 files |
| 16:45:49 | Thoughts_ | linuxstb: yes I have both files there and it cant find them, will try with a clean install of an official build. |
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| 16:46:30 | B4gder | hardeep: I don't know |
| 16:48:10 | hardeep | i noticed this because the tag cache was listing a number of my files with Unknown genre |
| 16:48:29 | hardeep | It's a pretty easy fix in tag cache but I thought it might be better to do in the id3 code |
| 16:49:01 | linuxstb | If you do try and fix it, don't forget that files can have both id3v1 tags (genre) and id3v2 tags (genre string)... |
| 16:49:35 | linuxstb | But there is also the id3_get_genrestring() function (or something like that). |
| 16:50:00 | linuxstb | Which returns either the genrestring text, or the string version of the genre number. |
| 16:50:03 | hardeep | ah, maybe that's why it's not automatically populated |
| 16:50:19 | hardeep | RedBreva: id3v1 vs id3v2 |
| 16:50:28 | linuxstb | IMO, tagcache should just call that function, instead of using genrestring directly. |
| 16:50:40 | hardeep | yeah, that was the change i had made |
| 16:51:19 | hardeep | i'll just do that for now |
| 16:51:25 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, sounds good. I will fix that and update the tagcache version number on the next commit |
| 16:51:38 | hardeep | thanks Slasheri |
| 16:51:49 | linuxstb | The metadata handling needs a rework anyway. I would like to move the id3 tag parsing into apps/, but that seems to be too closely tied to the hardware playback engine... |
| 16:51:57 | Slasheri | today i will commit new browser engine too |
| 16:52:16 | linuxstb | And then the feature freeze starts? :) |
| 16:52:25 | Slasheri | hehe, yeah =) |
| 16:52:58 | Slasheri | but i don't think anybody minds.. that is so important feature for tagcache anyway |
| 16:53:07 | linuxstb | I certainly don't. |
| 16:53:23 | linuxstb | But we do need time to debug tagcache - which means you need to stop adding features :) |
| 16:53:51 | Slasheri | yes, true :) i promise that will be the last one ;) |
| 16:54:08 | amiconn | hardeep: Perhaps it has something to do with selectable tag priority? |
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| 16:55:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: Moving the id3 code to apps *requires* unification of playback engines beforehand |
| 16:55:08 | linuxstb | Is there a reason to keep the id3v1 genre number? Is it available to the WPS for example? |
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| 16:56:53 | Thoughts_ | do I need more freespace than 18MB when running Doom? |
| 16:58:54 | linuxstb | Doom shouldn't need any extra disk space - apart from the space you need for the wads. |
| 16:59:07 | hardeep | amiconn: but in the case there's only v1 tags, why not set the genre_string as well? |
| 16:59:44 | Thoughts_ | now I get "I41:PDIR2FULL at 32FB891E" when trying to start doom... |
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| 17:00:40 | amiconn | I'm not sure. Perhaps it does allow switching id3 tag priority 'live' and have the displayed info change on the fly? |
| 17:01:12 | amiconn | If this is not the case, or even if it's not the case for other fields, I think we don't need to keep the numerical value |
| 17:01:30 | amiconn | It depends on where this priority setting is applied |
| 17:01:46 | linuxstb | If the priority is id3v1 first, then the id3v2 tag isn't loaded IIRC. |
| 17:03:16 | linuxstb | But I may be wrong - I've misread my notes. |
| 17:04:09 | linuxstb | I am wrong - it does read both tags, regardless of the v1first setting. |
| 17:06:30 | hardeep | it looks like only the wps is affected by v1/v2 priority |
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| 17:08:05 | linuxstb | So what should tagcache do if a file has both tags? |
| 17:09:27 | JW | I read I need m68k-elf-gcc to compile for my iRiver. Where do I get it? (Arch Linux) |
| 17:09:27 | hardeep | maybe use the priority setting as well? |
| 17:10:24 | Moos | speaking about tags, any news about APE tags for mp3? |
| 17:10:45 | linuxstb | JW: You need to build it yourself - instructions are here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 17:11:01 | Nico_P | Moos: APEv2 ? |
| 17:11:08 | Moos | yeah |
| 17:11:09 | linuxstb | Moos: IMO, that should be implemented when the id3 parsing is merged with the other metadata parsing. |
| 17:11:20 | Nico_P | there's a patch... i use it |
| 17:11:24 | Nico_P | works fine for me |
| 17:11:28 | Moos | Fred one? |
| 17:11:35 | Moos | *Fred's |
| 17:11:47 | B4gder | JW: I have a 61MB binary tarball for linux with all cross-compilers built for /usr/local install, if you feel like trying that out |
| 17:11:52 | Moos | linuxstb: indeed |
| 17:11:56 | Nico_P | Moos: yes |
| 17:12:10 | linuxstb | At the moment adding support for ape would involve extra seeks and reads on every MP3 file played by Rockbox. When the id3 parsing is merged with the other metadata parsing, then the ape and id3v1 checks can be merged into a single seek/read operation. |
| 17:12:24 | Moos | Nico_P: glory for frenchis ;-) |
| 17:12:30 | Nico_P | :D |
| 17:12:39 | B4gder | glory for the french fries? ;-) |
| 17:12:48 | Moos | haha :D |
| 17:13:05 | linuxstb | B4gder: Were those compiled with −−prefix=/usr/local - or have you used subdirectories under /usr/local ? |
| 17:13:24 | B4gder | I've used subdirs, one for each build |
| 17:13:43 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/gcc.tar.bz2 |
| 17:14:48 | JW | linuxstb: Do I need to build binutils too? |
| 17:14:55 | B4gder | JW: yes |
| 17:15:03 | B4gder | follow the wiki instructions |
| 17:15:06 | B4gder | and you shall be fine |
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| 17:15:59 | JW | k, thx |
| 17:16:00 | linuxstb | JW: That wiki page is long, but it's basically as simple as "configure; make ; make install" for both binutils and gcc. |
| 17:16:20 | JW | k, than there will be not problems :-) |
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| 17:22:30 | Huey | Hello |
| 17:22:58 | Huey | has anybody sucessfully got Doom to work on a 5G Ipod Video |
| 17:23:29 | linuxstb | Yes. Just make sure you are using the very latest Bleeding Edge/CVS Rockbox version, and follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 17:24:03 | Huey | k |
| 17:24:06 | Huey | thankz |
| 17:25:02 | JW | I see gcc will build for my iHP140 with gcc v. 3 and 4. The wiki advises to take 3. Is this information outdated? |
| 17:25:17 | Mikachu | linuxstb: does toggling hold once still enable run with your change to bring up the menu? |
| 17:25:20 | linuxstb | No - the latest 3.4.x is still the recommended version for m68k |
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| 17:25:26 | JW | k. |
| 17:25:40 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No - that needs fixing. But I thought the menu was more important than running. |
| 17:26:12 | Mikachu | that's true :) |
| 17:26:18 | linuxstb | Did that method for running work on the ipods OK then? |
| 17:26:37 | Mikachu | i only played a few minutes, but it worked i think |
| 17:26:49 | Mikachu | holdonoff => enable run, holdonoff again => disable run |
| 17:27:17 | Huey | also, for the Backdrops, are the dimensions 320x240 |
| 17:27:35 | Mikachu | for ipod video, i think so |
| 17:27:51 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd suggested to all enable run for the ipods - as a better choice than always disabling it. What do you think? |
| 17:27:59 | linuxstb | s/all/always/ |
| 17:28:12 | linuxstb | Huey: Yes, it must be a 24-bit bmp file with those dimensions. |
| 17:28:17 | Mikachu | given that some levels are impossible with running enabled, i think i agree |
| 17:28:26 | Mikachu | without! |
| 17:28:29 | linuxstb | :) |
| 17:28:36 | Mikachu | but i meant to say i think some later levels are impossible without walking |
| 17:28:42 | Mikachu | but you can't get to those then :) |
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| 17:28:53 | Mikachu | another option would be to add it to the menu i guess |
| 17:29:13 | Huey | k, time to make some art in Photoshp |
| 17:29:14 | Huey | LOL |
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| 17:29:21 | Mikachu | or make select bring up a small menu of {switch weapon,toggle run,press switch} etc |
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| 17:33:15 | linuxstb | Yes, a small menu on the select button would work. |
| 17:34:19 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, congratulations on getting the ipod working on doom |
| 17:34:35 | linuxstb | Thanks. Did you see what the problem was in the end? |
| 17:34:43 | linuxstb | (i.e. nothing to do with prboom at all...) |
| 17:34:51 | kkurbjun | yes I did |
| 17:34:53 | kkurbjun | : ) |
| 17:35:05 | kkurbjun | well there was one problem with prboom |
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| 17:35:07 | linuxstb | In fact, I can probably put that call to LONG() back. |
| 17:35:12 | kkurbjun | oh really? |
| 17:35:15 | kkurbjun | haha |
| 17:35:46 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, there's an autorun varilable |
| 17:35:51 | linuxstb | The address of names was wrong due to the memset bug. I'm sure that prboom ensures that names is aligned correctly. |
| 17:35:53 | kkurbjun | that will lock in running across levels |
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| 17:36:24 | linuxstb | Did you also see my keymap changes? I wanted to talk to you about that. |
| 17:36:45 | kkurbjun | yes I did, I think what needs do be done in the end is configurable keys |
| 17:36:57 | kkurbjun | I don't think changing button definitions is the way to go |
| 17:36:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: the other way round makes more sense: id3v2 first skips loading of the id3v1 tag |
| 17:36:59 | linuxstb | Was there a reason why you changed the core key mappings, and not just change the BUTTON_ defines in i_video.c ? |
| 17:37:19 | kkurbjun | as it will mess up the up down left right in the in game menu and automap |
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| 17:37:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it does. But it seems Rockbox always loads both regardless. |
| 17:38:17 | amiconn | Afaik it doesn't |
| 17:38:32 | kkurbjun | I was thinking about adding a menu that had a list of game functions and then you can select one and it will give you an option of buttons in the game, select and it'll apply it |
| 17:38:35 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I was thinking that it would be nice to be able to define different button mappings on the different screens. |
| 17:38:36 | amiconn | loading id3v1 requires a seek, and that costs battery |
| 17:39:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Sorry, you're right (again...). id3v1 tags are not always loaded. |
| 17:39:35 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, that could be done, doom keeps track of it's gamestate well and you could just add checks for those in the button driver |
| 17:40:02 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, why would you want different buttons on the different screens? |
| 17:40:13 | kkurbjun | I guess you could use enter for something in the game |
| 17:40:27 | kkurbjun | actually, I really like that idea |
| 17:40:42 | * | webguest51 nags about up not being "move forward" |
| 17:41:03 | linuxstb | I was thinking about changing the core key mappings - to add keys such as "key_menuup" which are used in the menus, instead of "key_up". |
| 17:41:09 | linuxstb | webguest51: Have you tested the latest builds? |
| 17:41:16 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, that already exists |
| 17:41:21 | webguest51 | linuxstb: I believe I have.. I'll retest |
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| 17:42:05 | kkurbjun | I don't see why you would want to change the menu up though |
| 17:42:24 | linuxstb | On the ipod, there is no "down" key defined. |
| 17:42:29 | Mikachu | on ipods, it would make sense to use scrolling for the menus |
| 17:42:34 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes. |
| 17:42:51 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, what's down used for on the keypad? |
| 17:43:05 | Mikachu | shooting iirc |
| 17:43:11 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Looking at m_menu.c, it seems to check for KEY_UPARROW, KEY_DOWNARROW. My idea was to use KEY_MENUUPARROW, KEY_MENUDOWNARROW for example. |
| 17:43:14 | Mikachu | remember ipods have 5 buttons |
| 17:43:35 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: So on some targets (e.g. H300) these would be identical to KEY_UPARROW and KEY_DOWNARROW, but on ipods, we could map them differently. |
| 17:44:18 | webguest51 | linuxstb: yeah, joystick-up still changes weapon |
| 17:44:20 | kkurbjun | one second, lemme look at the ipod code in i_video |
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| 17:45:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, laptop is on its way to manufacturer, desktop has a new power supply, harmony is restored in the world |
| 17:45:59 | * | Mikachu puts the Chaos Hammer (tm) down |
| 17:46:01 | linuxstb | webguest51: Which version of Rockbox are you using? Looking at the current CVS code, UP should now move forward.. |
| 17:46:14 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Welcome back. |
| 17:46:25 | webguest51 | linuxstb: just downloaded a cvs build before testing now |
| 17:46:29 | Huey | LOL ur funny Mr. (quote from Peters fat son Chris from Family Guy) |
| 17:46:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now I need a cheap 2.5" drive enclosure, because I realized everything of value to me is on this little disk here. |
| 17:46:53 | linuxstb | An Archos? |
| 17:47:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, the drive from my laptop. |
| 17:47:13 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, why not just use the same button mapping definitions, but have a gamestate check in getkey, use that to change the buttons fed to doom |
| 17:47:15 | linuxstb | I know - but you could maybe put that inside an Archos. |
| 17:47:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 17:47:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hey, that's a good idea. |
| 17:47:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't have an Archos, but my brother is giving me his. :) |
| 17:47:44 | Mikachu | i would possibly make backups |
| 17:48:00 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: It just seems clearer to me to have separate definitions. |
| 17:48:42 | kkurbjun | I guess it doesn't really matter, how were you planning on implementing the use of menu button? |
| 17:48:48 | linuxstb | It may also be better to use the Rockbox button driver directly - to allow use of the scrollwheel on ipods. i.e. use rb->get_button() instead of button_status() |
| 17:49:32 | linuxstb | But maybe that will conflict with the standard button handling. I've no idea how it works. |
| 17:49:36 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, actually, I guess without those definitions you could do an ifdef in m_misc also for ipods |
| 17:50:20 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I tried using get button, but since it only gives one button event at a time it kinda messes things up |
| 17:50:45 | kkurbjun | I didn't try very hard though so probably could be done |
| 17:50:53 | linuxstb | I'll try and implement what I am thinking about for the menus, and let you look at it before I commit it. |
| 17:51:24 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, ok, you are planning on using the gamestate variables? |
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| 17:52:08 | linuxstb | No, my plan is to have separate KEY_MENU_ defines. I think this is the cleanest approach. |
| 17:52:30 | linuxstb | Using the gamestate variable will add unecessary code. |
| 17:52:48 | kkurbjun | hmm, I guess I don't really understand what you're plan is, so I'll see what you implement |
| 17:53:16 | linuxstb | Yes, I think it will be clearer once I do it - hopefully later tonight. |
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| 17:54:55 | Huey | kool, New CVS? |
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| 17:55:42 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I think I'm going to start working on configurable keys unless you've started that |
| 17:58:15 | Mikachu | i saw there was a release on prboom recently :) |
| 17:58:49 | Mikachu | on the 2nd |
| 17:59:16 | J1 | hmm... the compiles (binutils and gcc) have finished. Now you may guess my system specs :-P |
| 17:59:39 | Mikachu | i don't even have your start in my scrollback |
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| 17:59:48 | Moos | kkurbjun: any luck about doom for iAudios? |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:30 | kkurbjun | Moos, nope, no developers that have one are working on doom |
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| 18:00:58 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: does it affect/help you in any way? |
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| 18:01:53 | Moos | kkurbju: wasn't the problem identified? timer bugs or something |
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| 18:02:01 | Mikachu | ah, other nick |
| 18:02:13 | Moos | kkurbjun even |
| 18:02:30 | JW | yes, I fixed my router in the mean time... so my old nock didn't time out yet |
| 18:02:54 | JW | any idea for how fast my processor is ;-P |
| 18:03:00 | Moos | kkurbjun: log start 13:05 |
| 18:03:00 | linuxstb | Moos: We think it's something to do with the timer, but it's nothing obvious. |
| 18:03:01 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, :) it adds more stuff to be considered in implementing, prboom uses alot of system calls that arn't implemented in rockbox, so backporting is very time consuming, I plan on looking at it sometime later, probably after I get deahcked support back in rockdoom |
| 18:03:02 | Mikachu | 850mhz |
| 18:03:10 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: ah, okay |
| 18:03:15 | JW | 450 |
| 18:03:17 | Moos | linuxstb: ok |
| 18:03:42 | JW | now for the RAM, lol |
| 18:03:55 | JW | a beer for the man who knows |
| 18:03:55 | Mikachu | 64MB! |
| 18:04:00 | JW | (or woman) |
| 18:04:24 | JW | nope... than it would have taken a day or two... |
| 18:04:32 | webguest51 | 128 |
| 18:04:34 | linuxstb | 512MB!!! |
| 18:05:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | 640mb |
| 18:05:25 | JW | haha... nope... hint: it's 2^x + 2^(x-1) |
| 18:05:34 | Mikachu | 96? |
| 18:05:45 | Mikachu | 384? |
| 18:05:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would be 768 |
| 18:05:50 | linuxstb | 192? |
| 18:05:55 | Mikachu | 768 with a 450mhz cpu, are you crazy? |
| 18:06:01 | scf | lol |
| 18:06:03 | JW | 384 was right |
| 18:06:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I've seen more bizarre things |
| 18:06:07 | * | linuxstb has stumbled into Rockbox - The Gameshow |
| 18:06:15 | JW | but you took a lot of guesses |
| 18:06:26 | Mikachu | your only criteria was being the first |
| 18:06:33 | Mikachu | but you're lucky, i don't drink alcohol :P |
| 18:06:42 | JW | linuxstb was close enough. You know what, you can all come and get a beer in Friesland (the Netherlands) |
| 18:06:59 | JW | or tea ofcourse :-P |
| 18:07:15 | webguest51 | Hrm, the lots of problems with voiceui on the mailinglists |
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| 18:13:09 | amiconn | Mikachu: We once had a netware server witn 2x 450MHz and 896MB... |
| 18:13:58 | muesli__ | you called this a server? ;) |
| 18:14:20 | amiconn | 8 years ago... |
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| 18:51:14 | Hansmaulwurf | hi, just a question: did the buttons on the H120 remote change? |
| 18:51:31 | Hansmaulwurf | they are totally fucked up with the last build |
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| 18:52:34 | Hansmaulwurf | ok, noone there |
| 18:53:21 | Hansmaulwurf | hello |
| 18:53:24 | Hansmaulwurf | ? |
| 18:53:43 | crashd | have you tried checking the forums/bug tracker |
| 18:54:26 | Hansmaulwurf | forum says nothing |
| 18:54:35 | Hansmaulwurf | uh great, crash down |
| 18:54:43 | Hansmaulwurf | first time since weeks |
| 18:56:14 | Hansmaulwurf | hm ok |
| 18:56:17 | Hansmaulwurf | problem solved |
| 18:56:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Remember that Daily and Bleeding edge builds are *always* "unstable". |
| 18:56:24 | | Join Matixs [0] (n=miranda@nazgul.coolnet.cz) |
| 18:56:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only sure fire way to avoid crashes or bugs is to stick with a version you know is as bug free as you want it to be, and not update. |
| 18:57:01 | Hansmaulwurf | looks like it didnt load my .cfg file correctly, afte a restart and a reload of the cfg everything looks normal |
| 18:57:16 | Hansmaulwurf | just wanted to try doom out |
| 18:57:20 | Hansmaulwurf | :( |
| 18:57:43 | Hansmaulwurf | but I dont see the doom file anyway |
| 18:57:44 | Hansmaulwurf | so... |
| 18:58:10 | kkurbjun | Hansmaulwurf, it should show up in your plugins list |
| 18:58:21 | Hansmaulwurf | as rockdoom? |
| 18:58:47 | Hansmaulwurf | thx found it |
| 18:59:09 | Hansmaulwurf | sorry you have no base wads |
| 18:59:40 | Matixs | Hansmaulwurf try these http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 18:59:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | You need rockdoom.wad and also a wad from Doom Shareware, Doom, or Doom 2 |
| 18:59:44 | kkurbjun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 18:59:52 | kkurbjun | oops already got it |
| 18:59:57 | Matixs | :) |
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| 19:00:16 | Hansmaulwurf | i know and i did all steps that are sayed in the wiki |
| 19:01:12 | Hansmaulwurf | ah |
| 19:01:34 | Matixs | and there are many http://www.doomwadstation.com/main/tc.html |
| 19:01:53 | kkurbjun | : ), have configurable keys working |
| 19:02:19 | kkurbjun | the timer in the game seems a bit fast right now though.. |
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| 19:05:22 | kkurbjun | what's this code doing? rb->timer_register(1, NULL, TIMER_FREQ/TICRATE, 1, doomtime); it's not correct for the H300's |
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| 19:06:19 | crashd | can rockdoom play hexen/heretic? |
| 19:07:11 | kkurbjun | no, it doesn't have the code for those |
| 19:07:27 | crashd | but wasnt hexen/heretic the same engine, it just loaded all the stuff from the WADS? |
| 19:07:32 | Hansmaulwurf | hm, looks a bit dark imho |
| 19:07:34 | crashd | maybe im sorely mistaken |
| 19:07:34 | Hansmaulwurf | on my h120 |
| 19:07:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: Same base engine, moderately modified. |
| 19:07:55 | crashd | i thought it was like for like, oh well |
| 19:08:03 | kkurbjun | there are some doom mods to play heretic though.. I believe both of those games had some additional features like scripting and looking up and down that wern't present in doom |
| 19:08:11 | crashd | yeah, possibly |
| 19:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: Hexen had the class system, which was fairly different. Heretic was minimally different (less changes than some dehacked patches) |
| 19:08:59 | kkurbjun | crashd, there's a doom mod called herrian that uses some of booms features to play like a cross between heretic and hexen I believe |
| 19:09:19 | crashd | ahh, fair deal |
| 19:09:39 | kkurbjun | I'll give you a link in a second |
| 19:09:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: I mean, take for example American McGee's Alice. It uses the Quake3 engine, but you wouldn't be able to run it with the same executable. Engine != Executable |
| 19:09:49 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, i understand that |
| 19:09:53 | crashd | im not a retard, thanks ¬_¬ |
| 19:09:57 | Hansmaulwurf | alice is a great game |
| 19:10:10 | Hansmaulwurf | amazing ideas |
| 19:10:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, considering the rather huge differences between Hexen and Doom 2, I thought maybe you didn't understand that point. |
| 19:10:16 | crashd | but i wasunder the impression that it _did_ use exactly the same engine, in so far as swapping wads would play |
| 19:10:18 | Hansmaulwurf | but the game was too short |
| 19:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: What gave you that impression? |
| 19:10:34 | goffa__ | in alice they have up at the end |
| 19:10:36 | kkurbjun | crashd, heres a link to a number of mods that will run fine in rockdoom :http://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/ |
| 19:10:41 | crashd | well, its been a long time since ive played Doom ;) |
| 19:10:48 | goffa__ | haven't tried oz yet |
| 19:10:51 | goffa__ | dunno if its out |
| 19:10:52 | pussfeller | they leased the code from ID and then went on to customize it |
| 19:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe Oz is out yet. |
| 19:11:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it'll ever be |
| 19:11:41 | kkurbjun | crashd, this is the page that has the link to herrian 2: http://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/1999.php |
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| 19:11:55 | crashd | cool, thanks kkurbjun |
| 19:12:01 | yeahx | I need to drop a wad on my nano |
| 19:12:01 | crashd | ill check it out when im done with dinner :> |
| 19:12:23 | goffa__ | maybe its not |
| 19:12:31 | goffa__ | seems like he was working on it ages ago |
| 19:12:38 | goffa__ | and i didn't follow it |
| 19:13:10 | bluebrother^ | will http://www.rockbox.org/lang/ still be supported with langv2? |
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| 19:13:38 | Matixs | is tag cache already usable on ipods? or still freeze? |
| 19:13:40 | yeahx | I have to use the terminal to put it in a folder though, pain in the ass |
| 19:13:52 | yeahx | or use windows |
| 19:13:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: It works |
| 19:14:58 | Matixs | for my, still freeze with today cvs, library 1700+ mp3 |
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| 19:16:31 | Matixs | a tried tag cache leave on disk, or load to Ram, nothing changed, while I'm looking for something - simply freeze |
| 19:17:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: Are they all MP3s, or are there other formats present? And have you tried deleting and rebuilding the tagchache? |
| 19:19:15 | Matixs | all mp3s, they were inserted from itunes, and for many times, i tried delete/rebuild tag chache, but stiil this happened |
| 19:19:33 | amiconn | kkurbjun: (user timer) Did you replace rockbox.iriver as well? |
| 19:19:48 | amiconn | If not, the timer will run twice as fast as intended |
| 19:20:09 | kkurbjun | ahh, ok, that's what the problem was then |
| 19:20:22 | kkurbjun | I'll try it with that |
| 19:20:24 | preglow | didn't doom work on h1x0 now? |
| 19:20:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matrixs: Do they have album art in them? |
| 19:20:39 | kkurbjun | preglow, yes it does |
| 19:20:50 | preglow | kkurbjun: i get a z_malloc error here |
| 19:20:52 | preglow | kkurbjun: then it just hangs |
| 19:20:53 | Matixs | Paul_The_Nerd yes, they have |
| 19:21:04 | preglow | kkurbjun: straight after S_SetMusicVolume |
| 19:21:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: Album Art tags have been known to cause problems in the past, especially if the art files are particularly big. |
| 19:21:23 | Matixs | but in build from cvs, the week ago, everything work fine |
| 19:21:31 | kkurbjun | preglow, hmm |
| 19:21:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Was Tagcache in a week ago? |
| 19:21:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd can't remember. |
| 19:21:43 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has been quite ill. |
| 19:21:47 | kkurbjun | the H1xx have different amounts of ram correct? |
| 19:21:53 | preglow | 32 |
| 19:21:57 | preglow | this one, at least |
| 19:21:59 | preglow | h110 has 16 |
| 19:22:00 | kkurbjun | so that should be fine |
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| 19:22:35 | amiconn | preglow: what wad? |
| 19:22:46 | Matixs | I dont know if the was ago a week or couple of days, but it worked, and now it freeze, i have to wait until somebody fix it |
| 19:22:46 | preglow | amiconn: doom1 shareware and the one on the wiki page |
| 19:24:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: Does it freeze when you create the cache, or while browsing the cache? And, as I asked, have you deleted and rebuilt the cache? |
| 19:24:21 | kkurbjun | preglow, do you know where in the code the malloc problem is? |
| 19:24:44 | kkurbjun | if is't after music volume, I think it's in hu_init |
| 19:24:45 | preglow | kkurbjun: i copied an ipod cfg file or something onto it too |
| 19:24:49 | preglow | kkurbjun: worked with a fresh dir |
| 19:24:56 | kkurbjun | oh |
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| 19:25:11 | kkurbjun | hmm, that's still odd though |
| 19:25:15 | preglow | kkurbjun: any way to brighten the game up a bit? |
| 19:25:18 | preglow | i can't see shit |
| 19:25:21 | Matixs | Paul_The_Nerd: When Iam browsing, i tried many times delete and rebuilt tag cache |
| 19:25:27 | amiconn | Running fine here on H140, both doomu.wad and doom2.wad |
| 19:25:33 | kkurbjun | preglow, there's a gamma setting in options |
| 19:25:45 | kkurbjun | turn that all the way up |
| 19:26:00 | kkurbjun | from what I've read though it's still pretty dark |
| 19:26:21 | preglow | ingame options? |
| 19:26:27 | kkurbjun | yes |
| 19:26:28 | preglow | i can't see which of the menu items are gamma, heh |
| 19:26:37 | kkurbjun | : ), I think it's the third one down |
| 19:26:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: And does it just freeze, or does it give an error? Does something specific make it happen, or just at completely random points? |
| 19:27:53 | preglow | kkurbjun: how do i shoot? :P |
| 19:28:14 | amiconn | A-B |
| 19:28:24 | preglow | mno |
| 19:28:27 | amiconn | The button assignment are absolutely weirdo |
| 19:28:30 | preglow | it was records |
| 19:28:32 | preglow | -s |
| 19:28:48 | amiconn | record is 'forward' here |
| 19:29:04 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Is there a reason why the button assignments are so weird? |
| 19:29:09 | kkurbjun | I'm going to commit configurable keys in a second, amiconn linuxstb changed the keys to be more normal, if you delete your dfg file it will reset them |
| 19:29:29 | Matixs | Paul_The_Nerd freeze, without error, and HDD is still spining. It happens when i browse library, when iam using a clikcwheel, after a few seconds |
| 19:29:38 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I couldn't use up and turn at the same time on the H300 so I created modified keys that worked |
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| 19:30:45 | t0mas_ | woops |
| 19:30:47 | amiconn | It's so illogical that I always change weapon when I want to walk |
| 19:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: I would suggest then filing a full bug report at the site, so that others can comment on it if they find more information. |
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| 19:31:26 | amiconn | ...and my firing is quite delayed. I'd never expect fire to be anything else than Select (Navi on H300) |
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| 19:32:15 | kkurbjun | amiconn, when I have the configurable keys in it'll work for everyone |
| 19:32:56 | kkurbjun | I don't think there's one button configuration everyone wil be happy with |
| 19:33:12 | Matixs | Paul_The_Nerd i haven't any experience with bugs reports,but i wiil look at it. And my english - is terrible :) |
| 19:34:52 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Would it be possible to handle the red menu texts in a special way? |
| 19:34:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: Well, the person who does most of the work on Tagcache isn't here right now I believe. Also, maybe other people have the same problem, and can help point out what's causing it. |
| 19:35:01 | amiconn | Like, make them white for H1x0 |
| 19:35:12 | amiconn | (or almost white) |
| 19:36:02 | kkurbjun | amiconn, the notification texts are configurable, and statusbar text, I don't think that the menu text could easily be changed |
| 19:36:09 | Matixs | Paul_The_Nerd thank you very much :) i will try write bug report |
| 19:38:40 | kkurbjun | amiconn, there's also a palette shift that could work for greyscale |
| 19:38:55 | kkurbjun | the god mode palette is extremely birght |
| 19:38:58 | kkurbjun | bright |
| 19:39:07 | Matixs | bye guys |
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| 19:39:19 | kkurbjun | and it's already all grayscale |
| 19:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | That palette would probably work well, if I remember it correctly. Though it still doesn't do anything about the menus. |
| 19:42:17 | kkurbjun | amiconn, the other thing that could be done is create a create a modified gamma table for the H100's |
| 19:42:28 | kkurbjun | I think that might be the best solution |
| 19:42:28 | amiconn | Maybe the menus are better readable with this modified palette |
| 19:43:04 | amiconn | The poblem isn't that the text is dark, it is that the text brightness differs so little from the background |
| 19:43:04 | crashd | thinking about keymaps for the ipod, could it be possible to use the wheel as a left/right and << and >> as strafe? |
| 19:43:33 | kkurbjun | amiconn, the gamma tables are in v_video if you want o try a new setting.. Ahh, I see |
| 19:44:09 | amiconn | The H1x0 has a really weak backlight, especially when compared with the iPod mini... |
| 19:44:28 | kkurbjun | The godmode palette I think could help that... the problem is that I find it somewhat washed out on the H300s, I don't know what it would look like on the H100s |
| 19:45:05 | amiconn | Changing the rgb->grey mapping by applying some gamma might also help |
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| 19:50:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: Suggestion for speeding up the iPod colour lcd driver: I would inline all of lcd_wait_write(), lcd_send_lo() and lcd_send_hi() |
| 19:51:40 | preglow | ok, i'm going insane here, how do i make the tab character behave in emacs? |
| 19:51:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: It's not possible to do that the way things are set up right now. Doom needs some changes before it can use the wheel |
| 19:52:08 | amiconn | Ahem, and since the lcd controller is the same as in the H300, implementing display flip should be quite simple |
| 19:53:15 | kkurbjun | oh, amiconn I was trying the display flip with the H300's in doom, and it works mostly correct, but it is offset some, do you know why that would be? |
| 19:53:31 | amiconn | Yes |
| 19:53:59 | amiconn | You're bypassing the lcd driver |
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| 19:54:48 | kkurbjun | amiconn, yes, I was just curious why it mostly works |
| 19:54:48 | amiconn | The lcd driver has to adjust the lcd controller write address for flipped mode, because the lcd panel doesn't use the whole area the controller is able to address |
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| 19:55:11 | amiconn | The panel is 220x176, but the controller can handle up to 240x176 |
| 19:55:11 | kkurbjun | ahh, ok |
| 19:55:37 | amiconn | You can only avoid that if you don't bypass the lcd driver |
| 19:56:25 | kkurbjun | yeah, well, I think having flipped mode a bit skewed is better then slowing the game down |
| 19:57:38 | amiconn | Well, you could read the global flip setting and adjust the address within doom... hackish.... |
| 19:58:35 | amiconn | Perhaps we should really add lcd_blit() (and perhaps lcd_pal_blit(), applying a palette)... |
| 19:58:41 | kkurbjun | that or having a rockbox optimized function that does an direct paletted buffer w/ palette to controller |
| 19:58:48 | kkurbjun | yeah, that could be useful |
| 19:59:05 | amiconn | A callback is probably too much overhead |
| 19:59:51 | kkurbjun | callback for what? |
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| 20:00:26 | amiconn | Instead of a palette array. Would allow to use it for different on-the-fly adjustments than just palette |
| 20:00:59 | kkurbjun | hmm |
| 20:01:26 | kkurbjun | do you know if much improvement would be done with an asm version of palette to driver? |
| 20:01:29 | amiconn | Btw, doom seems quite fast on H140. Is there a way to see the actual framerate? |
| 20:01:37 | kkurbjun | would /could |
| 20:01:44 | kkurbjun | amiconn, you can run a timedemo |
| 20:01:54 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, ran one and it's about 10 fps |
| 20:02:17 | kkurbjun | the calculation in the timedemo is messed up on output though |
| 20:02:34 | kkurbjun | the calculation is 35*gameticks/realticks |
| 20:02:39 | kkurbjun | =fps |
| 20:03:08 | amiconn | Hmm, this is unbuffered grayscale lib mode? |
| 20:03:13 | kkurbjun | yes |
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| 20:03:37 | kkurbjun | I think I allocated enough for buffered too, so it should just be a matter of changing the function call to try it |
| 20:04:00 | amiconn | How would I run a timedemo? |
| 20:04:21 | kkurbjun | you select doom shareware and then go to options and turn on timedemo |
| 20:04:25 | amiconn | I enabled the timedemo option, but what then? |
| 20:04:30 | kkurbjun | play the game |
| 20:04:37 | kkurbjun | and it will run through the demo |
| 20:04:46 | amiconn | I don't have the shareware wad on my iriver |
| 20:04:51 | kkurbjun | when it's done it outputs the results to the screen |
| 20:04:51 | amiconn | I'll go fetch... |
| 20:04:57 | kkurbjun | it's in the wiki |
| 20:05:11 | kkurbjun | it also saves /games/doom/timedemo.txt |
| 20:05:16 | kkurbjun | with the information in it |
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| 20:05:46 | muesli__ | whats the best and easiest way to transcode flac to mp3 (dont blame me...) |
| 20:05:51 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Pacbox also needs to render an internal framebuffer to the LCD with a palette lookup. An ASM function to do the palette->framebuffer conversion gave a big speedup on both Coldfire and ARM. |
| 20:06:18 | linuxstb | But that's slightly different because there is also a rotate and (for the H300) scale operation. |
| 20:06:43 | amiconn | It's probably possible to get similar speedups with C optimisations, pushing gcc in the direction we want to |
| 20:07:14 | kkurbjun | As a note the H300's are running at about 16 fps, idoom says they get 10 to 20 but they're just looking at the immediate framerate rather then running a timedemo, at least that's how their code fps works |
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| 20:08:06 | kkurbjun | I don't know asm well enough to be able to write a palette to display function efficiently |
| 20:08:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll have a look at the ipod's LCD driver in detail, but I think I might wait until after the feature freeze. I feel I should start bug hunting. |
| 20:08:16 | Mikachu | how can you compare idoom to rockdoom on h300? |
| 20:08:45 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, you can't I'm just comparing the number they report on the ipod |
| 20:09:11 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 20:09:41 | kkurbjun | I just would be supprised if they are getting 20 fps in a timedemo with the way they are scaling and without using both cores from what I've seen on the H300 |
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| 20:10:51 | amiconn | Don't forget the iPod cpu has a combined code & data cache |
| 20:11:07 | Mikachu | is that good or bad? |
| 20:11:47 | amiconn | Compared to the iriver it's good. Coldfire only has a code cache, no data cache |
| 20:11:53 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:11:56 | amiconn | ..and the sdram interface is sloo-oow |
| 20:12:33 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I guess, I wonder what rockdoom is reporting on the ipod for fps |
| 20:12:51 | amiconn | I can't test yet, first need to port the grayscale lib... |
| 20:13:04 | kkurbjun | prboom has alot of optimizations over the stock doom code |
| 20:13:05 | Mikachu | if you need a number for nano, i could probably test |
| 20:13:21 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, that would be great, I'd be interested to find out |
| 20:13:34 | Mikachu | is the timedemo builtin? |
| 20:13:40 | kkurbjun | yes |
| 20:13:42 | Mikachu | i just need to cvs update a bit |
| 20:13:44 | kkurbjun | it's under options |
| 20:13:51 | amiconn | Nano has smaller lcd though. Best comparison would be an iPod color/photo |
| 20:14:14 | kkurbjun | you have to run it on the shareware version of doom |
| 20:14:27 | Mikachu | do you have a link to that? |
| 20:14:38 | kkurbjun | true, the newer scaling does make smaller screens much faster |
| 20:14:43 | linuxstb | Can someone look at my battery_bench output? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/battery_bench_ipod4gcolor60gb.txt |
| 20:14:47 | kkurbjun | it's in the wiki.. one second |
| 20:14:47 | amiconn | 10.9 fps on H1x0 |
| 20:14:52 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 20:15:10 | kkurbjun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 20:15:24 | kkurbjun | Yeah, that's about what it used to be on the H300 |
| 20:17:11 | linuxstb | muesli__: The most common answer I've seen for re-encoding questions is "foobar". |
| 20:17:31 | Mikachu | it's annoying that flac/ogg can't read mp3 and lame can't read flac/ogg :/ |
| 20:17:44 | Mikachu | +enc on the first flac/ogg |
| 20:17:48 | muesli__ | linuxstb thx, sounds familiar...will try it |
| 20:17:49 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Submit a patch :) |
| 20:17:57 | Mikachu | heh, i doubt they want mp3 decoder code |
| 20:17:58 | linuxstb | Shouldn't be that hard to make lame support FLAC. |
| 20:18:06 | Mikachu | that's true though |
| 20:18:22 | Mikachu | but lame doesn't keep tags anyway, i mostly go from mp3 to ogg now, for fittingmore music on my nano |
| 20:18:24 | t0mas | yeah, the other way around will never be accepted... |
| 20:18:32 | t0mas | mp3 has a lot of legal issues |
| 20:18:45 | obo | kkurbjun: 2134 gametics in 7067 realtics = 1076175679 fps??? |
| 20:19:11 | Mikachu | obo: did you look at the phones/resume thing? |
| 20:19:14 | linuxstb | FLAC and Ogg Vorbis just seem a natural pairing - oggenc works using FLAC input files, and transfers the vorbis comments from the FLAC to the vorbis. |
| 20:19:26 | amiconn | t0mas: I'm using the other way around sometimes. I have to if I want to be able to play my stuff on all my rockboxes... |
| 20:19:27 | obo | Mikachu: yeah, I've just updated the patch |
| 20:19:28 | goffa__ | ouch mp3 to ogg? |
| 20:19:29 | kkurbjun | the calulation is gameticks*35/realticks |
| 20:19:33 | goffa__ | tat has to sound terrible |
| 20:19:39 | kkurbjun | obo: what player is that? |
| 20:19:47 | obo | ipod 5g |
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| 20:19:50 | t0mas | amiconn: with 2 programs I assume? |
| 20:19:52 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Gonna try buffered mode next.. |
| 20:20:12 | amiconn | t0mas: Nope. |
| 20:20:17 | amiconn | TheGodfather |
| 20:20:19 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: pressing SELECT in the options goes back into the option when i release it, have to use LEFT instead... |
| 20:20:23 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: maybe that's for linuxstb though |
| 20:20:36 | kkurbjun | hmm, odd that it's that slow on the 5g, I expected faster. |
| 20:20:53 | linuxstb | Why faster? It has a larger and slower LCD. |
| 20:21:03 | Mikachu | how come backlight fading doesn't work in doom, do you explicitly turn it off? |
| 20:21:23 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: In terms of raw lcd updates, I think the H300 can do about 80fps, and the 5g about 54fps. |
| 20:21:40 | linuxstb | (but I'm guessing the H300 figure...) |
| 20:21:45 | Mikachu | does the time used to update the lcd block the cpu? |
| 20:21:56 | Mikachu | + grammar |
| 20:22:00 | linuxstb | Yes - the CPU is updating the LCD... |
| 20:22:02 | kkurbjun | yes, I know I was just basing that off the idoom fps statement. I wonder how fast a timedemo actually runs on idoom |
| 20:22:12 | amiconn | Mikachu: doom grabs the user timer, that disables backlight fading |
| 20:22:18 | Mikachu | amiconn: ah, okay |
| 20:22:46 | Mikachu | hm |
| 20:22:49 | Mikachu | i am back in the rockbox filesys now |
| 20:22:55 | Mikachu | i take it that is not expected |
| 20:23:03 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I guess that SELECT/LEFT issue is in the Rockbox menu at the start of Doom? |
| 20:23:09 | Mikachu | linuxstb: yeah |
| 20:23:20 | Mikachu | maybe it's related to the pacbox menu problem too |
| 20:23:24 | Mikachu | i don't remember if it was the same there |
| 20:23:40 | amiconn | There's something odd with the doom menu, which is especially strange as doom uses the core menu function... |
| 20:23:41 | Mikachu | ah, there's a timedemo.txt |
| 20:24:11 | kkurbjun | amiconn, the button handler for the menu is different then the way the core does it, I pulled it out of suduku |
| 20:24:35 | amiconn | ...and we should disable voice while doom is running. Otherwise the menu hangs when voice is enabled, because doom uses iram, which is shared between codecs and plugins... |
| 20:24:36 | linuxstb | I think it's something to do with the menu callback function that some keypress. That callback is needed on the H300, but not on the ipod. But I confess to not understanding it. |
| 20:24:46 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: ipod nano, Timed 2134 gametics in 3024 realtics = 1077457654 frames per second |
| 20:25:07 | kkurbjun | nice, 24 fps |
| 20:25:24 | linuxstb | Well the Nano only has 1/3 of an LCD... |
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| 20:25:31 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 20:25:32 | Mikachu | yeah, it feels nice to play |
| 20:25:37 | Mikachu | apart from the controls :) |
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| 20:25:50 | yeahx | I need to get that wad in there I guess |
| 20:26:08 | gluck | hello |
| 20:26:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: 5h 40min is definitely not much.... |
| 20:26:37 | amiconn | Was that with mp3? |
| 20:26:45 | Moos | w00t mp3_encoder patch updated |
| 20:26:47 | linuxstb | No, flac -8 - around 950kbps. |
| 20:27:02 | linuxstb | And there's no cpu scaling on my 4g either. |
| 20:27:10 | gluck | i was trying to decompile the original x5 firmware with m68k-elf-objdump but it said me it was an unknown file format |
| 20:27:22 | gluck | could someone give me the right command? |
| 20:27:39 | Mikachu | i guess you need to find the part that has actual code first |
| 20:27:55 | linuxstb | Also, is it encrypted in any way? |
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| 20:28:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: The cpu scaling crash on 4g definitely needs investigation. It might also hit the mini 1g |
| 20:28:39 | amiconn | My suspicion is that the frequency switching code isn't 100% correct for PP5020 |
| 20:29:24 | linuxstb | But the odd thing is that it appeared in IPL specifically for the PP5020 ipods. |
| 20:29:41 | IcyStorM | Hey what do you guys think of a PDF viewer for RockBox ? |
| 20:29:48 | linuxstb | Good luck. |
| 20:29:59 | Mikachu | they hardly work on pcs |
| 20:30:08 | Mikachu | s/hardly/barely/ |
| 20:30:22 | gluck | maybe is the screen a little to small... |
| 20:31:00 | IcyStorM | Hey what do you guys think of a PDF viewer for RockBox ? |
| 20:31:08 | linuxstb | Good luck. |
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| 20:31:18 | IcyStorM | Would it be possible? |
| 20:31:44 | _FireFly_ | impossible is nothing but if it is useable is a other question ;) |
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| 20:31:46 | linuxstb | Almost anything is possible. But is it worth the work? |
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| 20:32:19 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Are you sure doom malloc() will never fail? |
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| 20:34:26 | IcyStorM | Ok |
| 20:34:33 | IcyStorM | Do RockDoom work for iPods yet? |
| 20:34:57 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 20:35:42 | IcyStorM | Nice where do I put the wads? |
| 20:37:20 | preglow | linuxstb: well, the code works good if you just call it one time, but not several times |
| 20:37:44 | preglow | which of course doesn't verify it's not correct, but makes it a bit strange |
| 20:37:54 | preglow | s/not// |
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| 20:39:03 | amiconn | preglow: My suspicion is that it's a similar thing to what happens when you switch to base frequency on coldfire and disable the pll too early |
| 20:39:07 | webguest44 | wow looks like a lot of work went into the updated mp3 encoder - really cool |
| 20:39:09 | * | webmind found a bug I think for the nano |
| 20:39:46 | raf82 | yay ! i managed to boot rockbox on my irivier iFP790 :) |
| 20:39:57 | XavierGr | nice! |
| 20:40:03 | linuxstb | I had forgotten about that port... |
| 20:40:10 | lostlogic | woah, sweet |
| 20:40:16 | amiconn | Hmm, buffered grayscale makes doom slower. 9.3fps |
| 20:40:18 | raf82 | there's not much activity there actually |
| 20:40:43 | raf82 | any news of Tomek ? |
| 20:40:45 | preglow | amiconn: well, that should be easily verifiable |
| 20:40:57 | lostlogic | raf82: are you going to pick up the port and move it along? |
| 20:41:01 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I set the battery scale on my 4g Color to the same value as the 5g and defined CONFIG_BATTERY. Here is the output of a full battery_bench test: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/battery_bench_ipod4gcolor60gb.txt |
| 20:41:11 | linuxstb | Any tips for what I should do with that info? |
| 20:41:52 | lostlogic | linuxstb: graph it, pick out the 0...10...20...90...100% values, put them in ifdef'd appropriately, scaled to centivolts in the powermgmt.c file |
| 20:41:53 | preglow | depressing.... |
| 20:41:54 | raf82 | lostlogic: i'll do what i can, but i don't know well low level code and stuff |
| 20:41:54 | amiconn | Yes: adjust the 0% mark and linearize the percentage vs. time |
| 20:42:41 | amiconn | That menu in viewer.rock is odd. |
| 20:42:51 | amiconn | If I press stop, I expect the plugin to quit |
| 20:43:01 | preglow | oooh, mp3 encoder patch |
| 20:43:05 | amiconn | A menu should appear when pressing the menu button |
| 20:43:22 | IcyStorM | Where can I find the pluin help page |
| 20:43:27 | lostlogic | did the wad dir move from games/doom? |
| 20:43:35 | webguest44 | preglow: indeed, exciting news |
| 20:43:36 | Mikachu | lostlogic: still there |
| 20:43:49 | linuxstb | IcyStorM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 20:44:00 | Mikachu | lostlogic: ps, does your backlight_off on shutdown disable fading first? |
| 20:44:05 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I'm not sure if we agreed on the best alternative. |
| 20:44:33 | lostlogic | linuxstb: alternative for? |
| 20:44:36 | lostlogic | Mikachu: no |
| 20:44:49 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Alternative to putting the wads in /games/doom/ |
| 20:45:00 | Mikachu | i thought it looked like it didn't turn off before the white clear, but it's kinda hard to tel |
| 20:45:24 | lostlogic | Mikachu: hmm, interesting |
| 20:45:38 | lostlogic | hmm... I have prboom.wad and doom1.wad inthere, but it's telilng me I don't have any base wads :( |
| 20:45:39 | XavierGr | lostlogic: what about your results in the battery_log. Is the result good or disappointing? |
| 20:45:40 | Mikachu | it's entirely possible that i'm dreaming |
| 20:45:49 | lostlogic | XavierGr: I've not run it |
| 20:46:00 | linuxstb | lostlogic: prboom has changed to rockdoom.wad - see the PluginDoom wiki page. |
| 20:46:33 | XavierGr | linuxstb: It says 5.40 runtime, so.... |
| 20:47:09 | obo | Mikachu: it didn't turn off on the fugly version I submitted :) |
| 20:47:46 | XavierGr | linuxstb: Don't forget to put your results in the wiki |
| 20:48:21 | Mikachu | obo: ? |
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| 20:49:19 | obo | Mikachu: the ipod white screen on shutdown - lostlogic submitted the patch I put together - that version left the backlight on while it set the screen white |
| 20:49:29 | Mikachu | ah okay |
| 20:49:41 | obo | it got cleaned up afterwards |
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| 20:50:22 | Mikachu | it looks a lot better if i turn fading off i think |
| 20:50:32 | Mikachu | maybe not |
| 20:50:42 | Mikachu | at any rate, there's still some crap left on the screen after it turns offf |
| 20:51:09 | Mikachu | also, why do my settings only save every 5th time i turn off rockbox? |
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| 20:51:23 | preglow | the settings lottery patch |
| 20:51:38 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:51:49 | Mikachu | if i disable fadeout every time i try, it looks better :) |
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| 20:52:05 | Mikachu | does saving a .cfg file also write the config block? |
| 20:52:17 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I'll turn off backlight fading before the screen clear |
| 20:53:08 | RaeNye | Did anybody else had a ALSA conf.c segmentation fault when running the UI simulator on linux ? |
| 20:53:12 | ts-x | muesli__: If you're still here - investigate dbPowerAmp as well. It has a great batch file encoding option. |
| 20:53:54 | preglow | Mikachu: pause fadeout er backlight? |
| 20:53:55 | preglow | or |
| 20:53:57 | muesli__ | ts-x oki...do you think its a good idea to rebuild wavs and use lame afterwards? |
| 20:54:12 | lostlogic | hmm... maybe I won't... |
| 20:54:36 | Mikachu | preglow: backlight fadeout |
| 20:54:52 | Mikachu | obo: your patch is too good, i can't resume playback manually without the phones in :) |
| 20:55:31 | obo | Mikachu: oops :) exhaustive testing, as you can tell... |
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| 20:55:52 | obo | is that at boot, or at any time? |
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| 20:55:56 | Mikachu | now i just need to disable clear settings on hold, and i'm ready to go |
| 20:56:02 | Mikachu | obo: play in filetree is effectless |
| 20:56:12 | obo | Mikachu: ouch |
| 20:56:30 | Mikachu | (only when phones are not plugged) |
| 20:56:32 | preglow | hmmm |
| 20:56:38 | preglow | mp3_encoder actually is pretty decent quality now |
| 20:56:57 | obo | Mikachu: it just worked here... |
| 20:57:02 | ts-x | muesli__: I don't think it's necessary to rebuild wavs, flac s/b fine. I've encoded all of my ogg's that way with excellent results. |
| 20:57:12 | lostlogic | should the backlight fade on poweroff? *ponders* |
| 20:57:20 | Mikachu | obo: and it doesn't actually pause when i unplug it |
| 20:57:28 | obo | lostlogic: will it have enough time? |
| 20:57:40 | Mikachu | you mean starting the fadeout before the other stuff? |
| 20:57:47 | Mikachu | maybe if you set it to the lowest interval |
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| 20:58:38 | godzirra | Guys, I'm generating playlists with Media Monkey on rockbox, and for some reason it wont ever let me move past the first song and I'm not entirely sure why... |
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| 20:58:43 | godzirra | Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 20:58:50 | godzirra | The paths seem to be right.... |
| 20:58:57 | pussfeller | is todays build for ipod working well, i think miy durrent one is from 3 days ago |
| 20:59:22 | obo | Mikachu: okay, unplug pause seems to need an extra cycle to kick in - will take a looksie |
| 20:59:39 | Moos | preglow: CVS material? |
| 20:59:39 | Mikachu | i can't get it to do anything, no matter how many times i replug it |
| 20:59:47 | Mikachu | and yes, i did enable it in settings again |
| 20:59:58 | Mikachu | and it does work correctly for blocking auto-resume |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:25 | godzirra | Can I paste two lines from my .m3u playlist in here? |
| 21:00:34 | godzirra | 3 actually I guess. :/ |
| 21:01:05 | lostlogic | obo: right, I don't think so, which is why I'm inclined to disable it, but I was wondering what other devs had to say about backlight fading on poweroff |
| 21:01:18 | godzirra | Are my playlists failing only because I don't have a preceeding / I wonder? |
| 21:02:16 | Mikachu | obo: and it does turn on the backlight, so it gets past "if (!phones_present)" too |
| 21:02:17 | webmind | uhm, the delete directory function.. is that suposed to take a while ?/ |
| 21:02:29 | preglow | Moos: preparing for commit now |
| 21:02:37 | preglow | 270%realtime at 64kbs |
| 21:03:01 | preglow | 130% realtime at 320kbps |
| 21:03:11 | amiconn | lostlogic: I would only accept backlight fading on shutdown if it doesn't increase the shutdown time |
| 21:03:24 | Moos | Hooray \o/ |
| 21:03:35 | webmind | yes apearently |
| 21:03:49 | muesli__ | preglow yummy :-) |
| 21:03:55 | amiconn | It's also possible that it will look rather odd, in case the cpu stops working before the backlight power is cut |
| 21:04:43 | XavierGr | is there intended to add in the record screen encoding support? |
| 21:05:12 | amiconn | Then the backlight might fade down, and produce a short flash at the end, if the cpu stopped during the 'on' period of the pwm |
| 21:05:23 | webmind | is it known that rockbox on the nano won't decode high bitrate mp3's realtime ? |
| 21:05:28 | godzirra | No, that didnt fix it. |
| 21:05:30 | godzirra | Sigh. |
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| 21:05:38 | amiconn | webmind: known, and known |
| 21:05:42 | muesli__ | ive got the feeling at all runtime has been significantly increased on h300 |
| 21:05:44 | godzirra | Doess rockbox handle # signs as comments correctly in playlists? |
| 21:05:58 | Mikachu | amiconn: the code could disable fadeout as a final resort just before shutdown |
| 21:06:00 | webmind | amiconn, is it being worked on? :) |
| 21:06:03 | amiconn | delete directory can take quite some time if there is a lot of files and/or subdirs |
| 21:06:07 | Mikachu | amiconn: just before setting the background to white rather |
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| 21:06:36 | ts-x | muesli__: Also, if you use dbPowerAmp you'll want to use the 'dMC File Selector' subprogram to do the mass encoding. It's basically a file explorer window where you select your folders, set the options, and start the encoding :) |
| 21:06:54 | webmind | amiconn, not really.. but I don't care much a bout the slowness.. aslong as I know it works :) |
| 21:07:08 | webmind | amiconn, find the non-realtime play more important :) |
| 21:07:25 | amiconn | webmind: For the non-realtime mp3 playback, prod preglow... |
| 21:07:44 | webmind | preglow, prod |
| 21:08:06 | muesli__ | ts-x thx for that hint but too l8, just did it with foobar ->wav ->lame ;-) but there were 10files only. so it was ok |
| 21:08:13 | preglow | webmind: wah? |
| 21:08:49 | webmind | preglow, realtime mp3 decoding on the nano :) |
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| 21:09:05 | webmind | preglow, will it work on higher bitrates ? :) |
| 21:09:12 | webmind | (eventually) |
| 21:09:31 | godzirra | Anyone know? |
| 21:09:37 | Bizmo | I've tried to install rockbox on my iPod but when i try to run it it doesn't work and now that i try to delete the files it won't let me.... what should i do? |
| 21:10:07 | preglow | webmind: some day when i have time |
| 21:10:13 | preglow | webmind: it should work now too, just not with eq |
| 21:10:54 | webmind | preglow, ah.. so disabling eq should work.. also for 190kb/s mp3's ? |
| 21:11:01 | preglow | webmind: yes |
| 21:11:02 | Bizmo | ? |
| 21:11:20 | preglow | if someone would be as kind as to test the new mp3 encoder on coldfire, i'd be very grateful |
| 21:11:36 | webmind | coldfire ? |
| 21:11:41 | preglow | iriver |
| 21:11:46 | webmind | ah |
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| 21:12:05 | lostlogic | amiconn: that's my thought, backlight fading on shutdown is _out_. |
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| 21:12:47 | lostlogic | Mikachu: the backlight off call is the line before the clear LCD call, so there's no sense in what you suggested, sorry ;) |
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| 21:14:28 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Have you listened to the output of the mp3 encoder patch? |
| 21:14:46 | preglow | linuxstb_: yes |
| 21:14:52 | preglow | but only on arm, i have no cf compiler |
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| 21:15:17 | Bizmo | I've tried to install rockbox on my iPod but when i try to run it it doesn't work and now that i try to delete the files it won't let me.... what should i do? |
| 21:15:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:16:31 | Mikachu | lostlogic: if you want fadeout during shutdown, you obviously want to move that call to the start of the shutdown sequence |
| 21:16:54 | linuxstb_ | Bizmo: What do you want to do? Do you want help installing Rockbox, or help restoring your ipod back to how it was? |
| 21:17:00 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yeah, which I'm too lazy to do for now, so I'll just disable fading for now... since I don't use it any way, feel free to make a patch :):) |
| 21:17:28 | Bizmo | linuxstb_: taking the rockbox files off my ipod so i can try re-installing it |
| 21:17:38 | Mikachu | heh, i just wanted to disable fadeout so that's fine with me |
| 21:17:48 | Bizmo | i've tried deleteing them both in windows and linux but neither have worked |
| 21:17:52 | linuxstb_ | Bizmo: What happens when you turn your ipod on? |
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| 21:18:32 | Bizmo | i get the bootloader and try to select rockbox but it comes up with an IO error ... i then realised the extracted files are not right.... so i try to delete them and it won't let me |
| 21:19:05 | linuxstb_ | So you're using the ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 21:19:11 | Bizmo | yup |
| 21:19:38 | Bizmo | on a 5g iPod |
| 21:19:56 | linuxstb_ | It sounds like your disk is corrupted somehow. My suggestion would be a full restore and reformat. |
| 21:20:05 | lostlogic | Has anyone else noticed that iPL's svn commit comments are useless on their front page, because they _never_ provide context, and don't include the files touched? |
| 21:20:29 | Bizmo | so there is no way to fix it without a full format? |
| 21:20:30 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: Yes, the lack of filenames seems odd. |
| 21:20:44 | Mikachu | lostlogic: you mean like Mon, 3 Apr 2006, 04:44:41 GMT "Whee!" |
| 21:20:54 | Bizmo | is there no way to force delete the files or something? |
| 21:20:59 | linuxstb_ | Bizmo: You could try running scandisk and/or chkdsk on it. |
| 21:21:07 | lostlogic | Bizmo: a chkdsk, scandisk or fsck might help |
| 21:21:14 | lostlogic | Mikachu: :) |
| 21:21:19 | Bizmo | how can i do that under linux? |
| 21:21:29 | Bizmo | my windows box is off atm, |
| 21:22:27 | linuxstb_ | fsck.vfat ? |
| 21:22:50 | webguest44 | lostlogic: no kidding "Whee!" isn't particularly helpful |
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| 21:24:59 | Mikachu | the first three syllables in "an anonymous person" sound the same |
| 21:25:58 | Mikachu | is there any particular reason the frontpage doesn't update the cvs log before the builds complete? |
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| 21:26:20 | lostlogic | Mikachu: so that peopel don't go download a build expecting a commit to be in it when it won't be |
| 21:26:49 | Mikachu | hm, i guses that might be true |
| 21:26:55 | Mikachu | still, the suspense is killing me |
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| 21:27:02 | webguest44 | They can't though, since the builds disappear now |
| 21:27:06 | webguest44 | When the build starts |
| 21:27:11 | webguest44 | and appear when they're done |
| 21:27:13 | Mikachu | they're still there |
| 21:28:11 | godzirra | Does anyone know if # comments get ignored politely by rockboxes m3u system? |
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| 21:28:36 | amiconn | kkurbjun: There's a bug in the custom key mappings: If I map Shoot to Select it doesn't work, |
| 21:28:43 | webguest44 | godzirra: I can't imagine not |
| 21:28:47 | amiconn | and next time I run doom it says 'unmapped' |
| 21:30:34 | amiconn | Mikachu: Leaving backlight fading enabled and fade out during shutdown makes it harder to disable the backlight just before switching off the lcd |
| 21:31:24 | Mikachu | i wasn't sure how the fading code would cope with the setting changing during a fade |
| 21:31:30 | Mikachu | wasn't sure = not a clue |
| 21:32:25 | lostlogic | Mikachu: lemme know if you still get ghosting with that latest CVS build ;) |
| 21:32:40 | Mikachu | will do |
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| 21:32:56 | Mikachu | i'm not sure how the backlight fix will change the lcd crap though |
| 21:33:38 | godzirra | webguest44: I cant figure out why my playlists arent working. I generated them with media monkey... . then I fixed the \ to be / like in the one I generated on the fly on the ipod. |
| 21:33:43 | lostlogic | Mikachu: well I haven't gotten LCD ghosting since the clear-to-white change, so ... *shrug* |
| 21:33:49 | godzirra | but they'll plasy the first song and not any song afterwards. |
| 21:34:26 | amiconn | lostlogic: It seems we need to shutdown the lcd controller on the greyscale iPods as well |
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| 21:35:16 | amiconn | We don't do so currently, and that sometimes causes a dark horizontal line on the display when powering back on. This line then slowly fades |
| 21:35:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: so no reason for the #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR check you're saying? or do we need some actual 'correct' power off sequence? |
| 21:36:14 | amiconn | We need a correct power off sequence . It's not yet implemented |
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| 21:38:20 | lostlogic | there are things we need worse than that (I2C bursting) |
| 21:38:57 | muesli__ | btw lame 3.98a ->recommendable? |
| 21:39:32 | godzirra | webguest44: I tried taking them out just in case, but no, they still dont work. |
| 21:39:51 | godzirra | webguest44: My playlist lists 2111 songs, but only plays the first one. :/ |
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| 21:43:12 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: you're in? |
| 21:43:56 | amiconn | Slasheri: I just tried tagcache on my mini, it works. But the tracknumbers are rather hit-and-miss |
| 21:44:24 | muesli__ | wow, lame 4.0 encodes hell FAST |
| 21:44:32 | muesli__ | 3-4s per track |
| 21:44:55 | Huey | does anybody know how to acess the Music in ur ipod from RockBox |
| 21:45:52 | amiconn | In fact the tracknumbers are *all* off |
| 21:46:04 | Huey | ? |
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| 21:46:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Huey: You browse to it... |
| 21:46:14 | godzirra | Huey: plug it in and copy it to and from like a normal folder. |
| 21:46:22 | godzirra | Anyone have any ideas why my m3u's might not be working? |
| 21:46:33 | godzirra | They look the same as the ones generated on the fly as far as I can tell. |
| 21:48:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does Rockbox care about Dos vs Unix line endings in playlists? |
| 21:48:18 | amiconn | nope |
| 21:48:21 | godzirra | Hmm.. that is a good question. I have no idea? |
| 21:48:29 | godzirra | Want me tto paste part of my playlist somewhere? |
| 21:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It seems like the sort of thing that would let just the first song play, though... |
| 21:48:42 | amiconn | It also doesn't care about dos \ vs. unix / path separators |
| 21:49:19 | godzirra | Ahh ok. |
| 21:49:21 | preglow | man, maintaining the language files are beginning to be a truly huge task |
| 21:50:09 | preglow | are/is/whatever |
| 21:50:24 | godzirra | http://sial.org/pbot/16607 |
| 21:50:32 | godzirra | There's a post of snippets of two non working files and one working file. |
| 21:50:41 | godzirra | the working one is the one generated by rockbox. |
| 21:50:58 | godzirra | the first non working is the one that I edited to look like the working one. |
| 21:51:06 | godzirra | the second non working one is the one I edited just to change the /'s |
| 21:52:46 | Moos | preglow: indeed, I'm on it for francais.lang :( |
| 21:53:13 | godzirra | Anyone? I'm really at a loss and I just want my playlists to work :/ |
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| 21:55:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: sounds good :) i will try to fix that track number issue soon |
| 21:55:12 | linuxstb_ | Do your filenames have any non-ASCII characters in them? |
| 21:55:44 | linuxstb_ | Also, can you play your playlists with any other applications? e.g. winamp? |
| 21:56:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: The tracknumber problems are really weird. No track has the number it should have, some numbers are assigned twice, and then there are gaps... |
| 21:56:32 | RedBreva | anyone know, which platform support A-B repeat mode? is it all of them? |
| 21:56:35 | muesli__ | preglow improvements on the mp3encoder touches h100 only? |
| 21:56:51 | preglow | muesli__: no |
| 21:57:11 | muesli__ | oki, Target Iriver H100 series is a little bit misleading |
| 21:57:19 | preglow | what says that? |
| 21:57:35 | muesli__ | concerns h100 series? |
| 21:57:36 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, this is with dircache turned off, and tagcache on disk |
| 21:57:45 | preglow | the patch report isn't exactly under my control |
| 21:57:51 | preglow | or perhaps it is |
| 21:57:55 | preglow | i didn't read too closely anyway |
| 21:58:07 | linuxstb_ | Does it have coldfire asm in it? |
| 21:58:07 | muesli__ | oki |
| 21:58:11 | preglow | linuxstb_: yes |
| 21:58:19 | preglow | the snippets i tossed in it some time ago |
| 21:58:29 | * | t0mas goes to bed |
| 21:58:30 | t0mas | night |
| 21:58:33 | preglow | night |
| 21:58:37 | Doomed | i noticed something weird today |
| 21:58:42 | Doomed | tagcache is messed up, |
| 21:58:56 | Doomed | its not giving the right track number to a lot of my songs |
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| 21:59:07 | preglow | amiconn: have we fixed the button name issues that made us go langv2 at all yet? doesn't look like it |
| 21:59:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, weird. If the tracks has correct track number tag, then it should be ok |
| 21:59:24 | Slasheri | if not, the track numbers are being guessed from the filename |
| 21:59:47 | Doomed | yeah everysong i have has the correct track number in the ID3 |
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| 22:00:01 | amiconn | The tracks all have correct numbers in the tag. mp3 files with id3v2 |
| 22:00:16 | Slasheri | oh.. maybe i have broken something with the latest commits then |
| 22:00:18 | godzirra | linuxstb_: some of them do. And yes, they play in winamp. |
| 22:00:37 | godzirra | some of them do have non standard characters I mean |
| 22:00:38 | Doomed | im gonna update to see what happens |
| 22:00:53 | godzirra | but those files have played in my ipod just fine before via rockbox |
| 22:00:54 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, I would scrap that track number guessing. Either there are correct track numbers, or the track has no number. |
| 22:01:12 | Doomed | amiconn are u haveing the same problem? |
| 22:01:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:01:17 | preglow | i agree with amiconn |
| 22:01:22 | preglow | the whole point of the tagcache is to use the tags |
| 22:01:28 | Bger | so do i |
| 22:01:30 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: That _may_ be an issue. Especially if you are editing the .m3u files - if Rockbox is interpreting the character encoding correctly, then it may not find the files. |
| 22:01:34 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, true. that might work better. I will consider dropping that code |
| 22:01:34 | preglow | not extrapolate info from filenames and pretend it is tag info |
| 22:01:34 | * | Paul_The_Nerd votes that non-numbered tracks be sorted alphabetically by filename. |
| 22:01:35 | Doomed | agiht, so its not just me |
| 22:01:38 | amiconn | I have a bunch of single tracks which don't have a number on purpose |
| 22:01:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | If there is a track number at the start of the filename, but not in the tags for some reason, that way they'll be in order |
| 22:01:49 | godzirra | linuxstb_: But that would keep it from playing -any- songs but the first? |
| 22:02:07 | godzirra | linuxstb_: only a few of them have non standard characters. |
| 22:02:09 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: No, that doesn't really explain that. |
| 22:02:17 | godzirra | Yeah, it stays on 1 of 2111. |
| 22:02:30 | Doomed | well im gonna update h/o |
| 22:02:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | And repeats, or freezes? |
| 22:02:46 | godzirra | Repeats. |
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| 22:05:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And clearly you're not in Repeat One mode. What happens if you go to view the playlist, and select another track in it? |
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| 22:06:39 | godzirra | I'm not clear on how to view playlists.. how do I do that an d I'll try? |
| 22:08:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the menu, where you can save your playlist, you can also view it. |
| 22:08:06 | Doomed | does it read the track number from the ID3 file |
| 22:08:17 | godzirra | Although my "Coming up" says the same song is next. |
| 22:08:40 | godzirra | It lets me play another song in the playlist fine. |
| 22:08:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you do it from the playlist view? |
| 22:09:08 | godzirra | Yes. |
| 22:09:13 | godzirra | And when I go back to the main screen |
| 22:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, and you're definitely not in repeat-one mode? |
| 22:09:19 | godzirra | it says that the song I just chose is next. |
| 22:09:27 | godzirra | I'm checking now. I know for a fact that I didnt set it that way. |
| 22:09:32 | godzirra | sigh. |
| 22:09:40 | godzirra | thanks paul. I dont know how that got there. |
| 22:09:52 | godzirra | Wow look at that. :/ |
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| 22:09:59 | godzirra | I've been l ooking at this for like an hour now. |
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| 22:10:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could potentially have gotten set from the new quick menu while in your pocket or something. It's just a couple button presses to do it. |
| 22:12:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders: Are four identical smileys really more expressive than just one? |
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| 22:15:25 | preglow | to any norwegians: i need a norwegian word for "fade" |
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| 22:18:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, I was wrong about the necessity of bitshift in nonflipped mode with apple format on mini. It's still only necessary in flipped mode |
| 22:18:36 | amiconn | ..and for the grayscale lib I decided to tradeoff 2 pixels for speed |
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| 22:19:06 | amiconn | The grayscale lib on mini will only support 136x110 instead of 138x110, and in flipped mode it will be offset by 2 pixels |
| 22:22:24 | godzirra | Paul_The_Nerd: Probably. And no idea.. why? About your smiley question? |
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| 22:23:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | godzirra: I dunno. I just see people follow up posts in the forum with like 50 of the question mark smileys, or 20 great big grinning faces. |
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| 22:26:07 | Doomed | gah i want this to be fixed |
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| 22:34:49 | Doomed | igotta wait |
| 22:37:32 | godzirra | PaulJ: thats stupid. |
| 22:37:37 | godzirra | oops. wrong paul. |
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| 23:17:34 | amiconn | grayscale lib on iPod will need boosting :/ |
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| 23:20:06 | amiconn | lcd_update() FPS: H140 @ 45 MHz: 540 fps, iPod mini 2G @30 MHz: 93 fps |
| 23:20:23 | amiconn | That's in spite of the mini LCD being smaller... |
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| 23:21:50 | petur | that's very slow... |
| 23:21:51 | preglow | no secret the ipod drivers need a lot of work |
| 23:22:49 | amiconn | The bad thing is that we don't have PP docs. I would really like to know how the lcd is hooked up |
| 23:23:12 | amiconn | There are a lot of delay loops checking magic bits on some ports... |
| 23:23:39 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:23:56 | preglow | no, i'd really, really love some of those docs |
| 23:23:57 | preglow | arhg |
| 23:23:58 | amiconn | The H1x0 lcd data routine is asm optimised, and the timing is purely based on bus cycles and waitstates |
| 23:24:31 | amiconn | At 124MHz, H1x0 gets >1000 fps... |
| 23:24:38 | amiconn | That's for fullscreen... |
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| 23:32:11 | amiconn | Even on archos we're drawing way faster: 208 fps @ 11 MHz... |
| 23:32:27 | amiconn | Btw, that is bit-banging serial transfer! |
| 23:39:40 | * | HCl reads the mail about gl |
| 23:40:22 | nudel | next time there's a rockbox gathering i think some time should be set aside for either a fight or an orgy just to get all of these feelings out of everyone's system :) |
| 23:40:32 | nudel | maybe a fight and an orgy at once |
| 23:40:37 | HCl | gross >.> |
| 23:40:41 | nudel | ...i'll get my coat. |
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| 23:44:24 | amiconn | petur's fps plugin wasn't correct... |
| 23:44:40 | amiconn | All fps values were 50% too high |
| 23:44:44 | petur | aaarrggg |
| 23:45:32 | * | Mikachu puts up a stone stand |
| 23:45:36 | preglow | nudel: i think a huge drunken binge will naturally lead to whichever is the most apropriate, and vote for that instead :) |
| 23:45:43 | Mikachu | buy your stones here, sharp stones, flat stones, 1 pound each |
| 23:45:47 | nudel | haha |
| 23:46:04 | * | HCl grabs the pitchforks and the torches and forms an angry mob to chase after petur |
| 23:46:07 | HCl | :p |
| 23:46:10 | petur | I fear I don't even have that code myself anymore... |
| 23:46:17 | amiconn | (and the test loop had a division in the loop condition...) |
| 23:46:21 | Mikachu | it wasn't in cvs? |
| 23:46:37 | Mikachu | i still have it lying around |
| 23:46:42 | Mikachu | but i guess amiconn does too |
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| 23:46:57 | petur | HEY, I warned you when I gave it... it was a quick hack |
| 23:47:00 | Mikachu | unless he learned the code by heart, and only just now realized the error |
| 23:47:10 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes, I have a correctly working version now |
| 23:47:23 | * | amiconn is doing fps tests on all his rockboxes |
| 23:47:45 | Mikachu | if you want a nano benchmark, send a patch/.c here |
| 23:47:45 | Bagder | when you commit that I'll run some tests on the x5 to compare with ;-) |
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| 23:48:35 | amiconn | I would expect X5 to reach similar fps as H300 |
| 23:48:53 | amiconn | Less pixels, but slightly more complex write, and no asm |
| 23:49:04 | * | linuxstb_ cries at the test_fps news... |
| 23:49:04 | amiconn | With asm, it should become slightly faster |
| 23:49:10 | * | HCl hands everyone cookies and beer for doing good work on rockbox |
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| 23:49:24 | * | HCl wishes he had enough time to actually do work on rockbox D: |
| 23:49:24 | * | petur is surprised to find the original code and checks it |
| 23:49:27 | amiconn | beer!! |
| 23:49:28 | Mikachu | HCl: is there HCl on the cookies? |
| 23:49:32 | HCl | no o-o |
| 23:49:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is the fix just to change the while loop to ... <= HZ*2 ? |
| 23:49:42 | * | amiconn heads towards the fridge |
| 23:49:48 | * | Mikachu has a cookie |
| 23:49:59 | HCl | a cookie is better than nothing |
| 23:50:02 | * | petur had about 5 Leffe and doesn't care about stone throwing and fps bugs :P |
| 23:50:03 | HCl | nothing is better than eternal happiness |
| 23:50:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: Almost. That fixes the 50% too high issue, but not the division in the loop condition |
| 23:50:08 | HCl | a cookie is better than eternal happiness |
| 23:50:08 | Mikachu | but sligthly worse than 2 cookies |
| 23:50:10 | HCl | :o |
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| 23:50:23 | preglow | petur: quiet, you! |
| 23:50:24 | Mikachu | HCl: yay deductive logic |
| 23:50:27 | amiconn | I now use while(*rb->current_tick - time_start < 2*HZ) |
| 23:50:34 | preglow | petur: belgians aren't allowed to speak about beer while i'm in here |
| 23:50:38 | petur | <burp> |
| 23:50:44 | amiconn | Note that I also fixed CamelCaseAndHungarianNotationCrap |
| 23:51:00 | * | linuxstb would like a hardware benchmarking plugin in CVS |
| 23:51:36 | * | preglow too |
| 23:51:47 | Mikachu | it should display awesome graphics for 10 minutes and then output a number proportional to the price of your unit |
| 23:51:59 | linuxstb | hehe |
| 23:52:00 | bluebrother^ | bogomips plugin? |
| 23:52:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Perhaps I should commit the fixed test_fps.c ? |
| 23:52:13 | amiconn | (without adding it to SOURCES) |
| 23:52:17 | preglow | amiconn: good start if nothing else |
| 23:52:34 | amiconn | Al my test plugins are called test_*.c by convention |
| 23:52:50 | * | petur sees his own bug and runs off crying |
| 23:53:09 | preglow | linuxstb: how come the ipl people have picked up our bragging about highly exaggerated 5g fps numbers? ;) |
| 23:53:10 | linuxstb | Maybe rename it to something more general first though - so it can be extended to benchmark other things. |
| 23:53:23 | Mikachu | it says 200.5 and 793.0 for me |
| 23:53:25 | preglow | linuxstb: haven't <- |
| 23:53:29 | amiconn | petur: Yeah, the loop runs for 3 seconds instead of 2 |
| 23:53:30 | Mikachu | i don't remember what to multiply that by to get the real fps |
| 23:53:47 | petur | very sorry about that stupid bug |
| 23:54:14 | amiconn | preglow: Nah, 'highly exaggerated' is exaggerated by itself |
| 23:54:27 | linuxstb | preglow: No idea... Now we need more optimising to reach those levels. |
| 23:54:31 | amiconn | 50%, so 5g should in fact manage <~40 fps |
| 23:54:33 | Mikachu | what do my numbers mean? |
| 23:54:38 | * | linuxstb is about to test again on the 5g. |
| 23:54:53 | amiconn | Mikachu: fps for full update and fps for 1/4lcd update |
| 23:55:32 | Mikachu | it says the cpu freq is 24mhz, but ti's really 75 i think, so maybe it's really 64.16 or so? |
| 23:55:37 | amiconn | I also simplified the decimal printout |
| 23:55:41 | nudel | I wonder if my laptop's GF6800UltraGo would fit in an iPod |
| 23:56:01 | Bagder | laptop drives are usually 2.5" |
| 23:56:03 | amiconn | just (frame_count%2)*5 |
| 23:56:19 | Bagder | argh |
| 23:56:23 | Bagder | is that a gfxcard? |
| 23:56:31 | nudel | GF6800UltraGo = graphics card. 3D animated menus at 120fps, and 3 seconds' battery life. :) |
| 23:56:41 | Mikachu | try putting an old geforce 256 in |
| 23:56:46 | Mikachu | i think they draw 60W |
| 23:56:51 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:56:53 | * | linuxstb cries some more at the 5g's real speed.... |
| 23:57:29 | amiconn | Wow, archos is quite fast even with the correct measurement |
| 23:57:31 | linuxstb | The figures are 36.5 and 57.0 |
| 23:57:40 | amiconn | recorder: 138.5 fps, ondio: 151.5 fps |
| 23:58:00 | linuxstb | H300? |
| 23:58:29 | amiconn | Patience... I'll test all my bitmapped targets |
| 23:58:51 | Mikachu | did i convert my number right? |
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