| 00:00:00 | amiconn | ah |
| 00:00:10 | amiconn | Why did you turn it off? |
| 00:00:20 | Mikachu | preglow said it didn't work well yet, a while back |
| 00:01:19 | linuxstb | 4G Color: 48.5 and 189.0 |
| 00:02:09 | amiconn | AT 75MHz? |
| 00:02:16 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 00:02:23 | amiconn | That's ... slow |
| 00:02:49 | preglow | Mikachu: that's a really, really long time back |
| 00:02:49 | * | petur wraps his h340 in an extra towel to protect it |
| 00:02:58 | preglow | Mikachu: it's been working for ages now |
| 00:03:03 | Mikachu | heh |
| 00:03:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: H1x0 reaches 850fps at 124MHz :-P |
| 00:04:14 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just run it myself - 855.0 |
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| 00:04:40 | amiconn | H300 is next... |
| 00:04:49 | linuxstb | Can it beat 48.5? |
| 00:05:00 | amiconn | AT what clock? max? |
| 00:05:11 | linuxstb | Using half the number of CPUs it has. |
| 00:05:22 | petur | frrrr |
| 00:05:41 | linuxstb | But yes, I guess max speed is fair. |
| 00:06:04 | lostlogic | would CPU clock even help the ipoop 5g much? |
| 00:06:23 | amiconn | lostlogic: Try it! |
| 00:06:49 | * | lostlogic shuts up and sits on his hands |
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| 00:07:24 | lostlogic | I must say I'm extremely impressed with the basic playability of doom on the 5g. |
| 00:07:53 | amiconn | Why is the cpu on h1x0 and h300 boosted after boot?? |
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| 00:07:56 | amiconn | Slasheri?? |
| 00:08:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: H300 beats iPod color even at 45MHz... |
| 00:08:39 | amiconn | 56.5 fps |
| 00:09:25 | amiconn | odd |
| 00:09:35 | amiconn | At 11mhz, I get only 11 fps |
| 00:10:15 | amiconn | Probably the ram refresh |
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| 00:12:26 | petur | and fullspeed? |
| 00:12:36 | amiconn | 134.5 fps |
| 00:13:45 | petur | to be fair, we should also calculate the amount of data that needs to be sent and show a kbps value as well |
| 00:14:00 | petur | to evaluate the driver |
| 00:14:15 | preglow | any arm people here that can tell me what's going on in memset_a.S line 256 |
| 00:14:25 | preglow | i can't match the instruction with the comment |
| 00:14:25 | petur | if you *really* want to compare between platforms, that is |
| 00:14:49 | amiconn | petur: Then you also need to take the width of the interface into account |
| 00:15:29 | petur | yes |
| 00:15:45 | amiconn | ...and the CPU clock |
| 00:16:01 | amiconn | Then you can calculate an efficiency indicator |
| 00:16:10 | petur | bah, got to get some sleep (the beer, you know - sorry preglow) |
| 00:16:20 | amiconn | How many CPU clocks per data transfer? |
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| 00:16:41 | preglow | i can't see why someone would actually _add_ to the byte counter after having written some bytes to realign the data pointer |
| 00:17:26 | amiconn | Does memset run backwards, like I did it for coldfire and SH1? |
| 00:17:45 | preglow | no |
| 00:17:47 | preglow | it runs forwards |
| 00:17:52 | preglow | i'm recoding it to run backwards now |
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| 00:18:05 | preglow | but i don't understand the line of code in question |
| 00:18:30 | amiconn | Hrmph, no wonder my mini hung in the timer isr without boosting in my lcd refresh test plugin :/ |
| 00:19:00 | amiconn | lcd refresh is ~59 Hz, but the mini only manages 62.5fps at 30 MHz |
| 00:23:36 | preglow | argh |
| 00:23:39 | preglow | forget about it |
| 00:23:40 | preglow | i understand it now |
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| 00:24:25 | linuxstb | Do we have a memset16 for ARM? |
| 00:25:12 | Mikachu | there is a memset16_a.S |
| 00:25:51 | Mikachu | but that seems to be coldfire |
| 00:26:14 | Mikachu | ctags doesn't give me any other hits than the .c |
| 00:26:38 | Mikachu | "than that and the .c"* |
| 00:27:26 | preglow | linuxstb: i've got one |
| 00:27:37 | preglow | linuxstb: but amiconn's test_mem says it's buggy |
| 00:27:59 | preglow | linuxstb: you can have it if you want to bug hunt... |
| 00:28:43 | preglow | somehow it manages to work just fine, though |
| 00:29:23 | * | amiconn thinks test_mem can be trusted |
| 00:29:36 | preglow | yeah, it probably has got a bug |
| 00:29:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: I tried your suggestion to inline the functions used in lcd_update_rect, and it's still 48.5fps. Bizarrely, the 1/4 updates have dropped down to 188.5 (from 189.0) |
| 00:29:41 | preglow | i had some strange crashes some time |
| 00:29:47 | preglow | but i can't for the love of god find a bug in it |
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| 00:30:01 | preglow | so it's on temporary hold until i feel like tearing my hair out again |
| 00:30:12 | * | lostlogic hands preglow a bottle of rogain |
| 00:30:17 | linuxstb | preglow: I doubt I can help, but post it somewhere anyway. |
| 00:30:23 | Mikachu | linuxstb: did you check the size changed? i think gcc can ignore inline sometimes if it wants |
| 00:30:36 | linuxstb | No, but I can check the map.. |
| 00:30:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, that's strange. I tried a similar thing with another function in lcd-ipod.c for grayscale, and framerate also dropped slightly |
| 00:30:53 | preglow | linuxstb: okiedoke |
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| 00:31:10 | Mikachu | is the function called from lots of places? |
| 00:31:12 | linuxstb | Yes, those functions have disappeared from the map. |
| 00:31:34 | linuxstb | Mikachu: It's not really a critical function - it's just called 4 or 5 times at the start of each update. |
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| 00:31:55 | linuxstb | And I don't think the overhead is very high - ARM passes the first 3 parameters in registers. |
| 00:32:18 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/arm_memset16.diff |
| 00:32:24 | Mikachu | my point was that if you inline something that's called in a couple of places, it will compete with itself for cpu cache |
| 00:32:53 | lostlogic | linuxstb: I dug around in the lcd update code and optimized the few bits I could already... didn't seem to be anythign else worth doing in there to me. |
| 00:33:41 | preglow | linuxstb: like i said, works fine, but apparently has a bug somewhere |
| 00:34:08 | lostlogic | linuxstb: we could save one compare by doing a special first update and doing away with the if check on the finishup, but... somehow I don't think that a 1 longword read and compare are worth the trouble |
| 00:34:11 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I'm looking at the 4g Color/Photo (and Nano) update at the moment. |
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| 00:34:22 | lostlogic | oh, shoot, was thinking IPV. |
| 00:34:38 | Zoide777 | amiconn: You there? Need any 4g grayscale testers? |
| 00:34:56 | amiconn | hi Zoide777 :) |
| 00:35:04 | amiconn | Did you test current cvs yet? |
| 00:35:23 | linuxstb | Yes, well I optimised it all I could originally, so we've both done what we can. As you say, nothing else can really make any significant difference. |
| 00:35:43 | * | lostlogic mutters about datasheets and bus timing |
| 00:36:17 | carini | Anyone know of problems with battery_bench? I can't get it to work anymore? |
| 00:39:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: Loops like the one in lcd-ipod.c line 479 are what makes the ipod lcd drivers so slow |
| 00:39:22 | scottder | Anyone working on an adjustable crossfeed, that'd be cool :) |
| 00:39:29 | amiconn | Polling everywhere.... |
| 00:39:43 | lostlogic | :q |
| 00:39:52 | Zoide777 | amiconn: No, I've been traveling since Sunday night... let me check it out |
| 00:40:10 | amiconn | For the color/photo, I would expect similar framerates as for H300. It's the same lcd controller |
| 00:40:12 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, same goes for a lot of ipod stuff (lcd and i2c) |
| 00:42:18 | preglow | scottder: i am |
| 00:42:22 | preglow | scottder: and it's basically ready |
| 00:42:22 | amiconn | Zoide777: Meanwhile I flipped the lcd driver to use apple format. If current cvs works for you, you could update your bootloader with the new one on the wiki page. It should solve the "mirrored apple firmware" problem |
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| 00:43:08 | Zoide777 | amiconn: ok, i'll do that |
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| 00:44:58 | Mikachu | you really need reflexes to boot apple from menu+select reboot |
| 00:45:27 | amiconn | Nah, not really |
| 00:45:57 | preglow | takes some getting used to |
| 00:46:02 | preglow | but it works like a charm after that |
| 00:46:09 | preglow | we should have a better polling driver, though |
| 00:46:10 | amiconn | On mini it you need to press Menu about 1 second after the apple logo appears, and hold it until the rockbox bootloader prints its texts |
| 00:46:13 | preglow | too bad it's such a flaming pain in the ass |
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| 00:49:03 | Huey | hello |
| 00:49:27 | Mikachu | i know this probably isn't very smart, but if i replace that poll-while with a forloop, i can go as low as for (i=0; i < 6; i++) without rb crashing directly on bootup, but test_fps is still slower than the polling |
| 00:50:21 | Huey | I'm having extreme difficulty installing Doom on Rockbox, can someboy plz help me step by step |
| 00:50:26 | Zoide777 | amiconn: Original firmware works and isn't flipped. but the scrollbar seems to lag a little |
| 00:50:26 | Huey | by PM of course |
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| 00:50:33 | Zoide777 | amiconn: not sure if it used to lag before |
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| 00:50:51 | Huey | plz? |
| 00:50:58 | Mikachu | asl? |
| 00:51:19 | Zoide777 | preglow: at least on my 4g grayscale, it's very easy to go into the original firmware. I just hold menu+select until the screen goes blank, then just keep Play pressed until it says "loading original firmware" |
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| 00:51:47 | lostlogic | Mikachu: interesting |
| 00:52:06 | Mikachu | maybe that at least gives an idea of how long it waits |
| 00:52:11 | amiconn | Zoide777: What scrollbar is lagging where? |
| 00:52:16 | preglow | Huey: install the plugin from a recent cvs build, add rockdoom.wad and some wad of your choice to /games/doom, start the plugin, bam |
| 00:52:36 | preglow | Huey: if you just read the wiki page all should be very clear |
| 00:52:58 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I'd be interested to see some collected stats of how many times that polling loop is executed in 'normal' operations, and if it varies... but it'd be a fairly large pain to collect that in a meaningful way, I think. |
| 00:53:00 | amiconn | Zoide777: I'm just preparing a little test build for you, which has a new function needed for implementing grayscale, and 2 test plugins. |
| 00:53:10 | Cassandra | What does ! mean in a context diff? |
| 00:53:13 | Zoide777 | amiconn: when i scroll through menus in the apple os, the scroll bar on the right takes a short while to get to its position. though it looks more like an issue with the refresh rate of the lcd. i.e. the scroll bar moves instantly, but there is some ghosting behind it |
| 00:53:18 | Zoide777 | amiconn: cool :D |
| 00:53:19 | lostlogic | Cassandra: that the line changed |
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| 00:53:31 | lostlogic | and there's a matching ! in the other part |
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| 00:53:52 | Cassandra | lostlogic, Ah, right. |
| 00:53:56 | Mikachu | what you want to do with a context diff is apply it and create a unified diff |
| 00:54:06 | Zoide777 | amiconn: it could be that the scroll bar thing might have been there all along and i just noticed it now that i was looking out for any display glitches |
| 00:54:08 | Cassandra | Mikachu, actually, I don't. |
| 00:54:25 | Cassandra | What I want to do is work out which files in the various WPS directories are duplicates. |
| 00:54:37 | Cassandra | I'm using diff on a list of md5sums. :) |
| 00:54:40 | Mikachu | heh |
| 00:54:44 | Huey | awwww no Help? |
| 00:54:47 | Mikachu | if you're on *nix, maybe you want fdupes |
| 00:54:51 | * | Cassandra is fixing the WPS installer script. |
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| 00:55:36 | * | Cassandra checks out fdupes. |
| 00:55:41 | preglow | Cassandra: got any thoughts on integrating fwpatcher into your util? |
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| 00:56:02 | Cassandra | preglow, yeah. It's a damn good idea. I hope to have time to do it at some point. |
| 00:56:14 | preglow | Cassandra: at least it shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:56:18 | Cassandra | My CFS seems to be particularly bad at the moment, worse luck. |
| 00:56:34 | preglow | Cassandra: it'd please me greatly if we just had one great rockbox all-in-one-utility |
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| 00:56:54 | Cassandra | preglow, yeah. Except I want to do it properly. I'm looking at re-engineering rbutil to have a more modular structure. |
| 00:57:02 | amiconn | haha, funny gcc message: |
| 00:57:03 | Cassandra | preglow, me too. |
| 00:57:07 | amiconn | "<stdin>:23:23: error: token "=" is not valid in preprocessor expressions" |
| 00:57:25 | amiconn | Happened because I wrote === instead of == |
| 00:58:07 | preglow | Cassandra: sure, just don't go too far in that venture, i know too well how easy it is to spend more time thinking about how to code an app than coding it itself |
| 00:58:11 | lostlogic | gotta love it when GCC is feeling useful |
| 00:58:17 | preglow | that's more or less how i work since starting to use c++... |
| 00:58:17 | Cassandra | Mikachu, nice program. Thanks. |
| 00:58:28 | Mikachu | np |
| 00:58:41 | Zoide777 | I noticed a backlight bug: 1) Start Rockbox w/ hold button, so all settings cleared, 2) Release Hold, then press Menu+Select, and Play to go to Apple OS, 3) Press Menu+Select to reboot into Rockbox, 4) Backlight doesn't go on when pressing buttons or using scroll wheel |
| 00:58:48 | Cassandra | preglow, yeah. For 3.0 I'm going to try to push the current one out the door with a couple of bugfixes. |
| 00:59:02 | Cassandra | Which sadly means no integrated fw patcher. |
| 00:59:09 | Cassandra | Hopefully before 3.1 though. |
| 00:59:26 | linuxstb | Zoide777: You should really shut down Rockbox cleanly by holding PLAY for a couple of seconds. |
| 00:59:27 | preglow | i'll probably try to make fwpatcher a bit more blind people friendly for 3.0 |
| 00:59:29 | preglow | but not much more |
| 00:59:38 | preglow | i don't use windows very often anymore, so don't know when |
| 00:59:49 | amiconn | Zoide777: If you press Menu+Select to reboot, this is a hard reset. Rockbox doesn't have a chance to save its settings in this case |
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| 01:00:16 | linuxstb | preglow: Didn't someone write a patch for a command-line version? |
| 01:00:20 | Mikachu | wouldn't it sort of be good to flush the settings at some point before shutting down? |
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| 01:01:16 | amiconn | Mikachu: Rockbox flushes the settings on a disk access, or on shutdown if there was no disk access since the last settings change |
| 01:01:35 | amiconn | This is to save battery power |
| 01:01:41 | Mikachu | it feels like it doesn't flush on nano |
| 01:01:52 | Mikachu | but it's possible that it does and i'm silly |
| 01:02:02 | Zoide777 | But if you're in Apple OS, how do you go back to Rockbox? Won't holding Play just make it go back to Apple OS when you press Menu? |
| 01:02:11 | amiconn | Maybe this is due to preglow's ata_sleep hack... |
| 01:02:12 | preglow | linuxstb: fwpatcher does command line too now |
| 01:02:23 | linuxstb | Zoide777: Yes, Apple OS doesn't have a shutdown, so you have to use the hard reset (MENU+SELECT) |
| 01:02:29 | preglow | amiconn: i still don't know what about the software reset that bugs our chip |
| 01:02:34 | amiconn | Zoide777: Yes, for switching apple->rockbox there is no other way |
| 01:02:53 | preglow | but at least i have isolated the error now |
| 01:03:38 | preglow | if someone else with a nano wants to work on it, please do :/ |
| 01:03:42 | Zoide777 | you guys were right... I went to Apple OS holding Play instead of Menu+Select, and now when I return to Rockbox the backlight works |
| 01:03:51 | preglow | i've got about fifteen gvim windows here that desperately need my attention |
| 01:03:56 | amiconn | Connecting USB seems to cause a hard reset (w/o settings save) as well... |
| 01:04:17 | obo | Mikachu: if you get a chance I've updated the patch again |
| 01:04:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes :( Feel free to find a nice way to handle that... |
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| 01:05:13 | lostlogic | have we solved the USB not USBing from WPS on swcodec targets yet? |
| 01:06:17 | preglow | lostlogic: i can't replicate it |
| 01:06:30 | preglow | lostlogic: only on nano, and that's probably because of my crummy nano ata hack |
| 01:06:42 | linuxstb | I don't think I managed to replicate either... |
| 01:06:55 | lostlogic | preglow: nope, works on my video now too, so I guess it dun got fixed by sumfin. |
| 01:06:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do the same cleanup as on a clean shutdown, except that we don't shutdown but do the 'diskmode hotstuff' reset? |
| 01:07:02 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 01:07:33 | preglow | my language centre is always down |
| 01:07:50 | preglow | lostlogic: yar, guess so |
| 01:08:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, but how? My idea (not knowing much about the shutdown process) was to pass a parameter with the SYS_POWEROFF (or whatever it is called) event indicating the type of shutdown - power off, diskmode etc. |
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| 01:08:41 | lostlogic | TODAY I'm actually going to get the pcmbuf calls off of the audio thread, I've been putting it off for way too long. But first, a bike ride. |
| 01:08:50 | preglow | argh |
| 01:08:54 | preglow | too icey for my bike here |
| 01:08:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: Either that, or just duplicate the behaviour. |
| 01:09:02 | Mikachu | obo: ah, i will try it |
| 01:09:03 | preglow | i miss it too |
| 01:09:39 | lostlogic | preglow: bike year round here in Chicago... the streets never stay iced for more than a day at a time fortunately. |
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| 01:10:29 | scottder | Rockbox + Nano + Line out + Xin Supermin-3 Amp + Koss KSC-75 = Audio love on the go :) |
| 01:11:58 | preglow | scottder: got any special crossfeed parameters you want, btw? |
| 01:12:42 | preglow | lostlogic: icy all through the fall/winter where i like to go biking, unfortunately |
| 01:13:08 | preglow | at least this year |
| 01:14:15 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I fixed the problem with the select button |
| 01:14:24 | kkurbjun | just committe |
| 01:14:28 | kkurbjun | d |
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| 01:15:14 | amiconn | Zoide777: Please install this build: amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-4g.zip">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-4g.zip |
| 01:15:24 | Zoide777 | amiconn: my pleasure :) |
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| 01:15:50 | amiconn | Then I'll ask you to run some tests in order to get info about the 4g display |
| 01:16:39 | Mikachu | obo: well, now it lets me press play to resume, and it it resumes with phones in but not out. HOWEVER, it still doesn't pause/resume when i plug/unplug them |
| 01:17:40 | linuxstb | scottder: Out of curiosity, what codec do you use? |
| 01:17:49 | obo | Mikachu: hmm, not sure what's going on, it is here on a 5g |
| 01:18:39 | Zoide777 | amiconn: Ok, what should I run? |
| 01:19:02 | Mikachu | obo: yeah it's strange, since the backlight does come on, and the old version worked |
| 01:19:03 | preglow | time for late-night roger whittaker |
| 01:19:05 | amiconn | You will find 2 test_* plugins in 'Browse plugins' |
| 01:19:13 | amiconn | First, run test_fps. |
| 01:19:41 | amiconn | It will display 2 fps values. Please tell me the first (lower) one |
| 01:19:46 | Zoide777 | FPS Measurements: 1:1 = 117.5 (cpu = 11289600) |
| 01:19:53 | Zoide777 | but the display cuts off the last 0 |
| 01:19:54 | obo | Mikachu: if you enable rewind as well, do that part of the code run? |
| 01:19:59 | Zoide777 | so I don't know if there's something after it |
| 01:20:02 | scottder | linuxstb: since I moved to Rockbox vorbis Q4 |
| 01:20:16 | scottder | very pleased with the results |
| 01:20:43 | amiconn | Zoide777: That's no problem. The cpu frequency displayed there is off anyway. I know your 4G runs at constant 75MHz in rockbox |
| 01:20:56 | Zoide777 | amiconn: ok. and then 1:4 = 414.5 (cpu = 11289600) |
| 01:21:10 | Mikachu | obo: yes |
| 01:21:10 | scottder | preglow: just the amount that is fed from each channel top the other... |
| 01:21:50 | obo | Mikachu: the ev.id and ev.data lines aren't working for you then... but I have no idea why :( |
| 01:21:52 | amiconn | Zoide777: Okay. Now please run the other plugin (test_gray2) |
| 01:21:57 | Zoide777 | amiconn: i don't quite get test_gray2, but if i press Select after a while it says 16550 |
| 01:22:04 | amiconn | It will make the display flicker, don't get scared |
| 01:22:20 | Mikachu | obo: i'll play with it a bit more tomorrow, have to slepe now |
| 01:23:00 | amiconn | What it does is flicking between black and white really fast. Move the wheel backward or forward until the black-white boundary almost stops |
| 01:23:23 | amiconn | Probably it will not completely stop, but move up or down very slowly |
| 01:23:24 | obo | Mikachu: same here - thanks for the testing |
| 01:23:36 | amiconn | *then* press select, and it should display a number |
| 01:23:44 | Zoide777 | amiconn: I noticed that test_fps sometimes gives different numbers... like 117.0 and 415.0 |
| 01:24:36 | preglow | scottder: ok, you'll get four new parameters with this crossfeed |
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| 01:25:07 | amiconn | Zoide777: this small difference doesn't matter. |
| 01:25:36 | scottder | preglow: excellent...I like crossfeed but the default setting just cuts into volume a bit much...a slightly lighter touch is what I like :) |
| 01:27:29 | preglow | scottder: this crossfeed impacts volume just as much as you want |
| 01:27:45 | midkay | preglow, that sounds great. when do we get it? :) |
| 01:27:47 | preglow | scottder: you can adjust direct gain, cross gain, high frequency cross gain and high frequency cutoff |
| 01:27:50 | | Part obo |
| 01:27:58 | Cassandra | Does it include Moon-On-A-Stick Technology (TM) |
| 01:27:58 | preglow | you'll hopefully get it during the next couple of days |
| 01:28:02 | preglow | Cassandra: why, indeed! |
| 01:28:06 | midkay | preglow, cool, can't wait. |
| 01:28:13 | amiconn | preglow: As you implemented timer.c - are TIMER2_CFG and TIMER2_VAL documented somewhere? |
| 01:28:18 | preglow | Cassandra: it is also the very embodiment of Eternal Hapiness! |
| 01:28:27 | amiconn | Also, it seems that you didn't implement the restart prevention... |
| 01:28:28 | preglow | amiconn: in my head |
| 01:28:28 | * | Cassandra proposes we market Rockbox as having "MoonOnAStick Inside!" |
| 01:28:43 | Cassandra | Right. Done the easy part. |
| 01:28:52 | Cassandra | Now I have to piss about with wpsbuild |
| 01:29:15 | scottder | preglow: wow...thanks :) |
| 01:29:48 | preglow | scottder: no worries, though you should also give jlo a cuddle when he drops by, he designed it |
| 01:29:59 | scottder | preglow: will do ;) |
| 01:30:06 | Zoide777 | amiconn: ok, in test_gray2 either the black half moves very slowly downward or it moves very slowly upward, the difference being a tiny scroll wheel movement. it moves veeery slowly upward at 18870 |
| 01:30:09 | amiconn | preglow: TIMER2_CFG is the configuration register also taking the cycle count, and TIMER2_VAL is the current value? |
| 01:30:27 | amiconn | Zoide777: Really that much? |
| 01:30:47 | preglow | amiconn: TIMER2_CFG top bit is timer enable, the second top bit is interrupt enable, the rest is microsecond time |
| 01:30:58 | preglow | amiconn: as for TIMER2_VAL, yes, i believe so, but i've never used it |
| 01:31:03 | * | Cassandra rejoices. When this has done, I should have as a side effect eliminated all the duplicated bitmaps in the CVS wps module. |
| 01:31:14 | preglow | amiconn: all is highly theoretical at this point, i'm planning to do some changes to timer.c, but haven't gotten around to it yet |
| 01:31:42 | Zoide777 | amiconn: i tried again and it moves slowly downward at 18870 as well |
| 01:31:42 | amiconn | Zoide777: There is a verification built into test_gray2: When you press MENU after the value is displayed, the flickering happens at twice the speed for 5 seconds |
| 01:32:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: There is a little documentation of the timer controller here: http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 |
| 01:32:02 | Zoide777 | amiconn: let me try again |
| 01:32:13 | preglow | midkay: at least it really is superior quality to the current one. i just need to code an assembler version of the coldfire crossfeed loop before i give people a patch to test |
| 01:32:25 | amiconn | This should also not move much, and you should see 2 black-white boundaries (e.g. white-black-white) |
| 01:32:27 | preglow | the default c implementation is too slow |
| 01:32:43 | midkay | preglow, now i really can't wait. :) |
| 01:33:00 | amiconn | preglow: Do you know whether it's possible to reprogram the cycle count without resetting? |
| 01:33:59 | preglow | amiconn: no, all i know is you can't read back the CFG register, i tried that for some timer.c change |
| 01:34:03 | amiconn | That's what I call 'restart prevention': when changing the cycle count on the fly, and the current value doesn't exceed the new count, the timer should not be restarted, but the count changed on the fly |
| 01:34:17 | preglow | amiconn: currently, the timer starts before it should, since timer_set enables as well as sets the timer value |
| 01:34:19 | Zoide777 | amiconn: strange. it gave 18860 for slowly moving upward, but then I pressed Menu and it didn't seem to change (i.e. just one block of black moving upward, not 2 boundaries), then it exited to the plugins menu |
| 01:34:24 | scottder | I was just so psyched to have vorbis and replaygain. crossfeed completes my trifecta of happiness :) |
| 01:34:26 | preglow | amiconn: i need to store the current time in a varaible to do it properly |
| 01:34:31 | amiconn | This lowers interval fluctuation when changing the count |
| 01:39:05 | lostlogic | preglow: obviously you need to move to somewhere with 4 seasons :) |
| 01:39:27 | Zoide777 | amiconn: there's a band with lighter shade of gray that i can get moving slowly downward at 15720, and then i press Menu and I see about 3 bands moving downward and everything flashes very quickly, but it goes seemingly indefinitely (not just 5 seconds) |
| 01:39:44 | Zoide777 | amiconn: and then I have to hard reset to get otu |
| 01:39:45 | Zoide777 | *out |
| 01:39:59 | amiconn | Hrm, ok |
| 01:40:24 | amiconn | For some reason the controller in the 4g seems to have a slower refresh then... |
| 01:40:36 | Zoide777 | than mini? |
| 01:40:51 | amiconn | oops, yes |
| 01:41:13 | Zoide777 | hmmm... wouldn't the ipodlinux guys know, since they have doom, etc. on 4g grayscale? |
| 01:41:20 | amiconn | The hard reset is because the lcd update is too slow for double speed, so it can't cope and hangs |
| 01:42:15 | amiconn | Zoide777: ipl doesn't use the method that the grayscale library uses. Ipl can just use the 4 shades of grey the lcd offers itself |
| 01:42:59 | Zoide777 | amiconn: ok, i got a very slowly moving upward black boundary at 18850, then i pressed menu and it showed black-white-black, then exited to the plugins menu |
| 01:43:02 | preglow | lostlogic: sounds like you're missing the last one anyway, heh |
| 01:43:20 | Zoide777 | amiconn: i think that's as close to stopped boundary, etc. as i've gotten |
| 01:43:31 | amiconn | Zoide777: Okay, black-white-black sounds good |
| 01:43:48 | lostlogic | preglow: we have been lately :( "when I was a boy we had winters" |
| 01:43:58 | amiconn | Doesn't matter if it moves slowly, it will change slightly with temperature anyway |
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| 01:44:41 | Zoide777 | amiconn: interesting. btw i noticed that there was recently a grayscale lib for h100. is that similar to what you'd use for 4g? do you just have to plug in the specific values that we're testing for? |
| 01:45:06 | preglow | lostlogic: when i was a boy we really had some winters too, and this year, it bloody came again |
| 01:45:07 | amiconn | I wrote the grayscale lib for the h1x0... |
| 01:45:13 | preglow | with a vengeance |
| 01:45:25 | amiconn | ..and for the archos... |
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| 01:45:35 | lostlogic | preglow: lucky you :-P |
| 01:45:43 | amiconn | (in the oppoite order of mentioning them) |
| 01:45:51 | * | amiconn can't type |
| 01:45:55 | preglow | it's cool when you need to run to climb some of the bigger heaps of snow |
| 01:46:02 | Zoide777 | amiconn: i take it that's a good sign :) |
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| 01:46:07 | preglow | run and leap |
| 01:46:09 | Zoide777 | (not the typing, the libs!) |
| 01:46:36 | lostlogic | preglow: yah, like 6 years ago, we had a winter like that, where some towns were having to close municipal parking ltos just to have a place for snow... |
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| 01:46:53 | amiconn | Zoide777: It's a bit more work than just changing some values, but yes, I intend to port the grayscale lib to the grayscale iPods |
| 01:47:34 | amiconn | That's what this experiment was made for - I need to know the LCD refresh rate |
| 01:48:03 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah, that was pretty much the case in oslo three-four weeks ago |
| 01:48:26 | preglow | and boy, i love it. starting to grow somewhat tired of the snow now, though |
| 01:48:53 | lostlogic | preglow: yeah, after a certain number of months, I'd imagine it gets tiresome ;) |
| 01:49:26 | preglow | melting everywhere, with the icicles falling from the rooftops to crack your head open |
| 01:49:49 | preglow | nothing like some good old-fashioned everyday danger |
| 01:51:36 | goffa | ugh... new update made things worse for me... when i hit the center button twice (happens by accident when navigating)... playlist gets nuked |
| 01:52:16 | goffa | i know that's default behavior |
| 01:52:19 | goffa | still frustrationg |
| 01:52:22 | amiconn | Zoide777: Thanks for testing so far, you can delete the test plugins now. My porting effort can start now... |
| 01:52:25 | goffa | frustrating |
| 01:58:00 | goffa | i still don't see why playing a track from the file browser should wipe your playlist.. unless there's a menu option i'm not seeing |
| 02:00 |
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| 02:00:44 | | Nick Cassandra- is now known as Cassandra (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 02:02:33 | preglow | me bed |
| 02:02:42 | goffa | good night preglow |
| 02:02:51 | XavierGr | night preglow |
| 02:03:12 | Zoide777 | amiconn: no problem, thank *you*! |
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| 02:05:39 | Kyomi | Alright! |
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| 02:05:50 | Kyomi | I demand to know who is working on SID support |
| 02:05:54 | XavierGr | a crappy fonts (or crappy eyes) I keep confusing double 'v with 'w' |
| 02:06:06 | Kyomi | Because I want to tell them to hurry up ^^; |
| 02:06:12 | XavierGr | SID? |
| 02:06:30 | * | Kyomi would love to have .xm, .s3t, .mod support too... but doesn't know how to code that :( |
| 02:06:31 | Kyomi | omg |
| 02:06:39 | Kyomi | c64 music :) |
| 02:06:46 | XavierGr | ah! |
| 02:07:00 | XavierGr | Optimized midi would suit my needs |
| 02:07:14 | Kyomi | Midi would be good |
| 02:07:20 | Kyomi | Then there would be level music in Doom :) |
| 02:09:23 | scottder | C=64 for life! |
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| 02:22:15 | goffa | so... what exactly does auto change directory do? |
| 02:29:34 | Zoide777 | bye |
| 02:29:58 | | Part Zoide777 |
| 02:35:13 | XavierGr | goffa: when you are on the last song in a folder instead of stop playing it will move to the next folder |
| 02:35:34 | goffa | ok... thought so, wasn't sure |
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| 02:37:20 | JdGordon | "Fix up configurable keys" does this actually mean custom key config in doom works?> |
| 02:41:31 | goffa | i think that's what they were going for, don't know if it works |
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| 02:55:48 | harbel | Can anyone help me out with doom on 5G, I keep on getting the 'Sorry, you have no base wads' message when I try to run it, and I followed the wiki instructions |
| 02:57:22 | | Part carini |
| 02:57:31 | Kyomi | harbel: You don't either have the prboom.wad or the doom2.wad |
| 02:57:39 | Kyomi | If you wanna play the original game |
| 02:57:44 | Kyomi | You need to have to wad file |
| 02:58:49 | ScootScat | i thought you had to have rockdoom.wad and then a game wad |
| 02:59:51 | JdGordon | u need either prboom.wad or rockdoom.wad AND a game wad |
| 03:00 |
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| 03:00:17 | harbel | I have rockdoom.wad and a game wad |
| 03:00:23 | JdGordon | where? |
| 03:00:30 | JdGordon | they need to be in /games/doom |
| 03:00:34 | harbel | Fat32 partition /games/doom |
| 03:00:42 | JdGordon | hmm.. odd |
| 03:01:27 | ScootScat | do you have the latest cvs? |
| 03:03:21 | harbel | I have the rockbox daily build, if that's what you mean |
| 03:05:10 | ScootScat | try the cvs |
| 03:05:19 | harbel | Ok |
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| 03:17:07 | | Join |Unknown| [0] (i=pinchas@216-145-235-188.rev.dls.net) |
| 03:17:10 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 03:18:19 | |Unknown| | where an i find games for rockbox? |
| 03:18:46 | Huey | I dont know |
| 03:18:49 | Huey | but Doom |
| 03:18:52 | |Unknown| | ya |
| 03:18:56 | |Unknown| | i just downloaded it |
| 03:19:00 | Huey | U can find Doom games everywhere |
| 03:19:05 | Huey | Doom wads |
| 03:19:09 | |Unknown| | how bout, how do i change theme? |
| 03:19:10 | Huey | that modify it |
| 03:19:18 | Huey | for Doom? |
| 03:19:23 | |Unknown| | for rockbox |
| 03:19:25 | Huey | or Rockbox? |
| 03:19:32 | Huey | I Dont Know |
| 03:19:37 | Huey | actually |
| 03:19:47 | |Unknown| | do you have linux? |
| 03:19:52 | Huey | Ya |
| 03:19:55 | |Unknown| | oh |
| 03:19:59 | Huey | I dont ever use it though |
| 03:20:00 | |Unknown| | what games you have for it? |
| 03:20:01 | Huey | i have both |
| 03:20:07 | |Unknown| | im looking for games |
| 03:20:09 | Huey | I never use linux |
| 03:20:17 | |Unknown| | i have Rockbox and linux |
| 03:20:22 | Huey | me too |
| 03:20:23 | |Unknown| | imma install iBoy next |
| 03:20:28 | Huey | I got that |
| 03:20:42 | Huey | and I downloaded every GBC game |
| 03:20:53 | Huey | so that i wont ever get bored LOL |
| 03:21:28 | |Unknown| | where do you get GBC games? |
| 03:21:34 | Huey | download |
| 03:21:36 | Huey | search |
| 03:21:41 | Huey | GBC roms |
| 03:21:47 | |Unknown| | what else is there for video? |
| 03:21:51 | Huey | but, do u want a Fullset |
| 03:21:52 | |Unknown| | Linux, Rockbox, iBoy |
| 03:21:52 | Huey | ? |
| 03:21:57 | |Unknown| | ya full set |
| 03:22:01 | Huey | thats it |
| 03:22:19 | Huey | other than MPD which is basically the same thing as Rockbox but worst |
| 03:22:37 | Huey | k |
| 03:22:42 | Huey | i'll give u a link |
| 03:22:44 | |Unknown| | whats Rockboy? |
| 03:22:54 | Huey | samething as iboy |
| 03:22:58 | |Unknown| | okay cool thankx |
| 03:23:03 | Huey | no problem |
| 03:23:11 | |Unknown| | ookay, sorry im new to this stuff |
| 03:23:19 | |Unknown| | i just got my free 60gb video ipod like a week ago |
| 03:23:39 | Huey | well, I had my ipod for a while |
| 03:23:39 | Huey | 30 GB |
| 03:23:44 | |Unknown| | for free? |
| 03:23:47 | |Unknown| | ^_^ |
| 03:23:47 | Huey | but I started yesterday modding it |
| 03:23:49 | Huey | No |
| 03:23:55 | Huey | I bought it |
| 03:24:06 | Huey | http://www.coolrom.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2799#post2799 |
| 03:24:08 | |Unknown| | i started like 2 days ago |
| 03:24:11 | |Unknown| | okay thanks |
| 03:24:19 | Huey | me too |
| 03:24:25 | |Unknown| | do you have Mame or iNes on your iPod? |
| 03:24:34 | Huey | no Not Yet |
| 03:24:47 | Huey | I couldnt think of a reason to have Mame |
| 03:24:53 | Huey | only Pacmon works |
| 03:25:01 | Huey | and I already have it for GBC |
| 03:25:19 | Huey | and iNes, I dont like the old nintendo |
| 03:25:25 | |Unknown| | o lol |
| 03:25:30 | Huey | but i will proably end up downloading it anyway |
| 03:26:28 | |Unknown| | how big is that file you gave me? |
| 03:26:43 | Huey | 200+ MB |
| 03:26:44 | | Quit maeck ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") |
| 03:26:57 | Huey | dont download it if u dont have Broadband |
| 03:27:04 | |Unknown| | oh i guess ill download it @ school |
| 03:27:08 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 03:27:10 | Huey | k |
| 03:27:15 | |Unknown| | i have firefox on my flash drive |
| 03:27:19 | |Unknown| | so i can download stuff |
| 03:27:22 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 03:27:27 | Huey | LOL |
| 03:27:36 | Huey | I would die without Firefox |
| 03:27:49 | |Unknown| | you know another other places without megaupload or rapidshare? |
| 03:27:50 | Huey | intill the new microsoft internet explorer came out |
| 03:27:55 | |Unknown| | and is a full set |
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| 03:28:05 | Huey | no |
| 03:28:11 | Huey | ryumaster253 |
| 03:28:16 | Huey | is me |
| 03:28:57 | |Unknown| | when you load your iPod does it say loader.cfg not found? |
| 03:29:06 | |Unknown| | for ipl bootloader |
| 03:29:38 | |Unknown| | brb |
| 03:29:59 | Huey | Ya i think |
| 03:30:04 | Huey | by the way for Doom |
| 03:30:08 | |Unknown| | ok |
| 03:30:15 | Huey | If u wanna play mods |
| 03:30:16 | |Unknown| | ya? |
| 03:30:19 | Huey | aka wads |
| 03:30:32 | | Part harbel ("Leaving") |
| 03:30:36 | Huey | u have to either buy the real one or download FreeDoom |
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| 03:30:59 | |Unknown| | wheres freedoom @? |
| 03:31:32 | Huey | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/freedoom/freedoom-iwad-0.4.zip?use_mirror=jaist |
| 03:31:42 | Huey | this is 7MB |
| 03:32:00 | |Unknown| | whats the difference? |
| 03:33:32 | Huey | ummm, Its Free |
| 03:33:41 | Huey | and u can play the Wads |
| 03:33:56 | Huey | on the one that is included with the normal dowload, u cant |
| 03:34:24 | |Unknown| | what do you mean? |
| 03:34:45 | |Unknown| | what do you mean by wads |
| 03:35:32 | |Unknown| | sorry im new to this term |
| 03:35:36 | |Unknown| | as of today |
| 03:35:37 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 03:37:14 | Huey | me too |
| 03:37:19 | Huey | I learned it too |
| 03:37:42 | Huey | The mods, aka GoldenEye, Half Life, Quake etc. |
| 03:38:34 | Huey | for Doom |
| 03:38:34 | Huey | they are contained in .wad files |
| 03:38:46 | |Unknown| | oh |
| 03:38:56 | |Unknown| | where do you get the mods from? |
| 03:39:13 | |Unknown| | or how much does it cost to buy the game? |
| 03:39:24 | Huey | Mods are free |
| 03:39:29 | Huey | and everywhere on the internet |
| 03:39:34 | Huey | Game is 30 bucks |
| 03:39:56 | |Unknown| | o |
| 03:39:59 | |Unknown| | paypal? |
| 03:40:12 | |Unknown| | i get like $17 for free each week from www.emailmoneyback.com ^_^ |
| 03:40:20 | Huey | kool |
| 03:40:30 | | Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:40:32 | Huey | I am playing a DBZ mod right now |
| 03:40:44 | harbel | Could anyone help me with getting CVS builds? I don't have much of an idea how to |
| 03:40:59 | Huey | sure |
| 03:41:44 | Huey | do u have Ipod Linux? |
| 03:41:48 | |Unknown| | do you know, can you edit the Apple OS firmware without IPL getting deleted or screwing it up |
| 03:41:56 | Huey | Ya I heard |
| 03:42:11 | harbel | Yes, I do |
| 03:42:17 | Huey | k |
| 03:42:21 | Huey | that makes it easier |
| 03:42:22 | harbel | And rockbox, but with a daily build |
| 03:42:26 | Huey | o |
| 03:42:33 | Huey | then do the same thing |
| 03:42:40 | Huey | o |
| 03:42:41 | Huey | neva mind |
| 03:42:49 | Huey | just open the zip file |
| 03:42:57 | Huey | extact everything to ur ipod |
| 03:43:04 | Huey | to the root |
| 03:43:06 | Huey | and ur done |
| 03:43:10 | Huey | so easy |
| 03:43:25 | |Unknown| | Wheres file browser in podzilla? |
| 03:43:26 | | Join blokpa [0] (i=patriarc@a21222.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 03:43:35 | harbel | Well, yeah, I know that, but I want the CVS build, because doom isn't working with the daily |
| 03:43:41 | Huey | ya |
| 03:43:42 | Huey | I know |
| 03:43:53 | blokpa | wow, getting crowded in here compared to a few years back :] |
| 03:43:58 | Huey | i got doom working a half hour ago |
| 03:44:07 | Huey | its fun |
| 03:44:19 | harbel | Could you help me out getting it to work then? |
| 03:44:23 | Huey | Ya |
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| 03:44:29 | Huey | ummm quick question |
| 03:44:37 | Huey | do u know how to change the backdrop |
| 03:44:38 | Kyomi | harbel: Have an H300? |
| 03:44:48 | Kyomi | Just use experimental build :) |
| 03:44:55 | harbel | 5G iPod |
| 03:44:58 | Huey | so do i |
| 03:45:04 | blokpa | hey, got a few questions if you guys dont mind |
| 03:45:07 | Huey | so I have personal experience |
| 03:45:07 | Huey | sure |
| 03:45:19 | |Unknown| | how do I get to file browser anyone know? |
| 03:45:29 | blokpa | anyone mess about with the gameboy emu for the iriver 140? was wondering what games are playable :] |
| 03:45:32 | Huey | blokpa, do u know how to change the Backdrop for Rockbox |
| 03:45:42 | blokpa | Huey, wish i did :) |
| 03:45:47 | Huey | no, I have it for Ipod, and I have all the games |
| 03:45:53 | Huey | for GBC |
| 03:46:04 | blokpa | ah yea, they have an ipod firmware now too, dont they? :O |
| 03:46:07 | blokpa | busy bees |
| 03:46:08 | harbel | I'm not sure how to change the backdrop from rockbox itself, but I just edit the .cfg file for the theme I want to load, and direct it to the .bmp in /.rockbox/backdrops |
| 03:46:09 | Huey | does anybody else know how to do it |
| 03:46:21 | blokpa | Huey, there you go :P |
| 03:46:23 | Huey | k |
| 03:46:43 | |Unknown| | how do I get to file browser anyone know? >.< |
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| 03:46:45 | harbel | I'm using the OS X default backdrop with another theme now |
| 03:46:46 | lostlogic | any iRiver or iPod or iAudio users who can build from source to test a patch around? |
| 03:46:50 | blokpa | oh, does rockbox support remote control display yet, on the iriver port? |
| 03:46:59 | Huey | nope srry |
| 03:47:03 | Huey | I dont know |
| 03:47:04 | blokpa | all these questions |
| 03:47:05 | blokpa | :P |
| 03:47:06 | harbel | File Browser in what? |
| 03:47:41 | |Unknown| | linux |
| 03:47:41 | |Unknown| | Podzilla |
| 03:47:55 | Huey | my Podzilla freezes everytime i use it |
| 03:48:00 | harbel | It's on the main menu |
| 03:48:01 | Huey | so i ignore it, LOL |
| 03:48:07 | harbel | File Browser |
| 03:48:15 | harbel | It shouldn't |
| 03:48:30 | |Unknown| | all i see is Extras, Settings and Power |
| 03:48:56 | |Unknown| | when I go to Extras it says "No Items" |
| 03:48:59 | harbel | In the /usr/lib folder on the linux partition, do you have the file browser module? |
| 03:49:06 | harbel | You must not have any modules installed |
| 03:49:14 | |Unknown| | where do i get the modules? |
| 03:49:30 | Galois | lostlogic I can build for ipod nano |
| 03:49:35 | harbel | www.ipodlinux.org/Special:Module |
| 03:49:56 | |Unknown| | is there a way to reinstall podzilla with out reinstalling linux? |
| 03:50:18 | harbel | You can get them there seperately, but there's a download with a bunch of them, I'm not sure where though |
| 03:50:34 | harbel | You can update podzilla without reinstalling linux, if that's what you mean |
| 03:50:45 | |Unknown| | ya |
| 03:50:49 | |Unknown| | how do i do that? |
| 03:50:59 | |Unknown| | so itll reinstall the file browser |
| 03:51:01 | |Unknown| | and stuff |
| 03:51:15 | harbel | Podzilla's already installed |
| 03:51:23 | harbel | You just need the modules |
| 03:52:10 | Huey | Did anybody sucessfully use the internet on SLAX? Just a random question |
| 03:52:13 | harbel | http://www.josh.sys-techs.com/svnbuilds/pzmodules-1073.zip |
| 03:52:17 | harbel | Take that file |
| 03:52:22 | blokpa | does rockbox support remote control display yet, on the iriver port? |
| 03:52:35 | harbel | Extract it to /usr/lib on your linux partition |
| 03:52:42 | Huey | idk |
| 03:52:47 | Huey | ummm |
| 03:52:48 | |Unknown| | okay thanks |
| 03:52:50 | |Unknown| | ill try it |
| 03:52:55 | harbel | Alright |
| 03:53:21 | Huey | I had to try the Link from the Kernal link to get my Modules working |
| 03:53:35 | Huey | that doesnt make sense that much LOL |
| 03:54:04 | harbel | Unknown: What OS are you running? |
| 03:54:13 | |Unknown| | windows |
| 03:54:16 | |Unknown| | but i have slax |
| 03:54:28 | harbel | Ok |
| 03:54:49 | |Unknown| | so i put that file in the lib folder? |
| 03:54:55 | |Unknown| | well extract it of course |
| 03:55:18 | lostlogic | Galois: thanks, I'll post a patch shortly |
| 03:55:27 | harbel | Yep, and there should be a bunch of folders, which are the modules |
| 03:55:34 | |Unknown| | okay |
| 03:55:44 | |Unknown| | and you know why loader.cfg is not found |
| 03:55:49 | |Unknown| | when ipl bootloader shows? |
| 03:56:04 | Galois | but, I'll be gone shortly (15 mins or so) |
| 03:56:49 | harbel | loader.cfg isn't needed for the loader, it's only if you want to do specific things with the loader, say instead of RetailOS you want it to say Apple Firmware, or you want the timer to timeout differently |
| 03:57:06 | |Unknown| | how bout ipodloader.cfg? |
| 03:57:12 | blokpa | so no one here runs rockbox on their iriver? :/ |
| 03:57:19 | harbel | It's the same thing |
| 03:57:32 | |Unknown| | how bout ext2f? |
| 03:58:00 | | Quit hardeep ("[BX] "got bitchx?"") |
| 03:58:23 | harbel | I'm not sure, ext2 filesystem? |
| 03:58:46 | |Unknown| | idk it says ext2fs not found |
| 03:58:53 | |Unknown| | ya thats prolly it |
| 03:58:57 | |Unknown| | how do i fix that? |
| 03:59:54 | harbel | Loader is made to search different areas for the same file, so it'll say not found anyways, but if you update your Loader to 2.2, then the text won't flash by anymore |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:33 | |Unknown| | oh how do I update to 2.2? |
| 04:00:56 | harbel | You can find it in a thread in on the iPodlinux forums |
| 04:01:27 | harbel | http://www.tempel.org/ftp/pub/iPod/ipodloader2_tt_31mar06.zip |
| 04:01:29 | harbel | Download that |
| 04:01:32 | harbel | Extract it |
| 04:01:42 | harbel | And loader.bin is in there somewheres |
| 04:01:55 | harbel | Just install it the same way you installed the loader the first time |
| 04:02:16 | harbel | Are you using silviu's tutorial? |
| 04:02:23 | |Unknown| | ya |
| 04:02:28 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 04:02:32 | lostlogic | Galois: tragic, thanks any way, I'm being slow. |
| 04:02:54 | harbel | Ok, then just do the same thing as before, with ipod_fw and ipodpatcher |
| 04:03:12 | |Unknown| | it wont earse linux? |
| 04:03:17 | harbel | Nope |
| 04:03:36 | harbel | It's only writing to the first partiton, so it won't touch the other partitons |
| 04:03:42 | |Unknown| | okay thanks so much |
| 04:03:46 | |Unknown| | ^_^ |
| 04:03:51 | harbel | No problem |
| 04:04:32 | |Unknown| | you have aim? |
| 04:04:47 | harbel | Nope, MSN |
| 04:04:55 | |Unknown| | ah add me unknownkind@gmail.com |
| 04:05:00 | |Unknown| | ^_^ |
| 04:05:03 | harbel | Ok |
| 04:05:11 | |Unknown| | i g2g now, ill be back tomarrow |
| 04:05:19 | harbel | Same here actually |
| 04:05:19 | |Unknown| | gotta finish some school stuff |
| 04:05:26 | |Unknown| | okay ttyl thanks again |
| 04:05:28 | | Quit |Unknown| () |
| 04:06:03 | Huey | ya |
| 04:06:19 | Huey | DBZ Doom style is fun |
| 04:06:58 | harbel | What build of rockbox are you using? |
| 04:07:06 | Huey | CVS build |
| 04:07:16 | Huey | Ipod |
| 04:07:23 | Huey | I have a 5G Video |
| 04:07:39 | harbel | Same, I just need the cvs build though |
| 04:07:48 | Huey | do u want help |
| 04:07:49 | Huey | ? |
| 04:07:56 | harbel | Yeah, sure |
| 04:08:00 | Huey | k |
| 04:08:12 | Huey | did u dowload it |
| 04:08:38 | harbel | Nope, I've never really understood CVS very well |
| 04:09:39 | Huey | download it |
| 04:09:45 | Huey | it is super easy to install |
| 04:09:46 | | Part carini |
| 04:09:48 | Huey | two steps |
| 04:09:59 | harbel | Ok |
| 04:10:00 | Huey | Its the same thing as the normal one |
| 04:10:07 | Huey | its just more up to date |
| 04:11:08 | harbel | Bleeding edge builds? |
| 04:11:31 | Huey | ya |
| 04:11:34 | Huey | same thing |
| 04:11:44 | harbel | Ah, ok, I got it now |
| 04:12:27 | harbel | I thought I had to use cvs command line stuff and whatnot, that's why I was all messed up |
| 04:12:54 | Huey | nope |
| 04:13:00 | Huey | so |
| 04:13:13 | Huey | extract everything to the ipod root |
| 04:13:15 | Huey | and ur done |
| 04:13:17 | Huey | soooo easy |
| 04:13:20 | harbel | Yep, I got it |
| 04:14:04 | Huey | I hated my Ipod untill two days ago when i heard about Rockbox |
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| 04:14:41 | harbel | Aha, I don't even use the Apple firmware anymore, just for video |
| 04:14:48 | Huey | me either |
| 04:14:56 | Huey | umm, can I ask u a favor |
| 04:14:56 | harbel | I'd rather skin rockbox |
| 04:15:00 | harbel | Yeah, sure |
| 04:15:26 | Huey | ummm, can i copy ur text file for cfg |
| 04:15:36 | Huey | I cant get the backdrop thing working |
| 04:16:12 | harbel | Alright, what theme are you using? |
| 04:16:23 | Huey | doesnt matter |
| 04:16:29 | Huey | what ever the default is |
| 04:16:32 | harbel | Ok |
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| 04:18:41 | harbel | Ok, just open the .cfg file of the theme you want to change the backdrop for and add this line, or edit it if it's already there |
| 04:19:08 | harbel | backdrop: /.rockbox/backdrops/NAMEOFBACKDROP.bmp |
| 04:19:17 | Huey | k thanks |
| 04:19:24 | harbel | It should be a 320x240 image as well |
| 04:19:43 | Huey | i know, I made a custom one in Photoshop |
| 04:19:49 | harbel | Alright |
| 04:20:03 | harbel | That's only for the menus and filebrowser |
| 04:20:19 | harbel | For the music playback, it'll be different |
| 04:21:12 | Huey | k |
| 04:22:18 | Huey | Yes, It worked |
| 04:22:21 | Huey | thankz |
| 04:22:33 | harbel | I gotta go |
| 04:22:34 | harbel | Later |
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| 04:27:38 | blokpa | oh btw, could someone send those AT&T voices my way? |
| 04:32:22 | Huey | wtf |
| 04:34:14 | blokpa | ? |
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| 05:16:28 | carini | Anyone know if it's safe to increase MAXTHREADS? The tagcache implementation took the last available thread on SWCODEC targets, so battery_bench.rock no longer works. |
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| 05:26:12 | lostlogic | I think I've finally succeeded in killing that blasted mutex in pcmbuf.c for once and for all... pending it actually still working... |
| 05:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:28:25 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: :( doesn't work yet −− seeking leaves old audio in the buffer, but I'm close! |
| 05:28:37 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I bet you're looking forward to telling me how badly I've broken it this time :-P |
| 05:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Absolutely. Except I can't compile on this computer. I could make this computer compile, given time and cleaning efforts, but the one I've always used suffered a foul smelling demise this morning. |
| 05:30:30 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I'll compile for you then... |
| 05:30:50 | lostlogic | asdflajksdfl;jk WTF audio_ff_rewind is a sync. call on hwcodec and an async. call on swcodec, no wonder shit breaks. |
| 05:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: But, but, my beautiful USB patch. But yeah, if you want me to test, I'm willing. |
| 05:35:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, no I won't test. |
| 05:35:36 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: what USB patch? do I want it too? |
| 05:35:38 | lostlogic | oh? |
| 05:36:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have had a miserably 6 days of illness, and just as I've gotten better my laptop dies. But an attractive girl has just asked me if I'm doing anything tonight. |
| 05:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think you know what the answer *has* to be. |
| 05:36:15 | lostlogic | awesome, have a great time :) |
| 05:36:31 | lostlogic | I'll just put it in CVS and wait for the bitching. |
| 05:36:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:36:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is a most excellent plan |
| 05:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just watch the iPod forum. They're kinda good at that |
| 05:37:13 | lostlogic | which ipod forum? ours? |
| 05:37:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:37:27 | lostlogic | kk, will do. |
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| 05:37:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'm off! |
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| 05:41:28 | lostlogic | bagh, I'm going to have to write a gwps_seek_complete callback or something to deal with this. |
| 05:47:32 | Huey | U guys are evil |
| 05:47:41 | Huey | Ur evil plan |
| 05:47:49 | Huey | I will warn them all |
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| 05:56:26 | Huey | they are evil |
| 05:56:29 | Huey | LOL |
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| 06:03:30 | XavierGr | anyone that wants to test my new VMware image? |
| 06:03:42 | XavierGr | It is now a full development platform |
| 06:03:47 | XavierGr | I just have to share it. |
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| 06:12:21 | TiMiD | XavierGr: you'd better go to bed at this hour |
| 06:12:25 | TiMiD | :) |
| 06:12:30 | XavierGr | YAY |
| 06:12:39 | scottder | XavierGr: development for what? :) |
| 06:12:40 | XavierGr | TiMiD: It's been a long time :D |
| 06:12:50 | XavierGr | Where are you lost? |
| 06:12:58 | XavierGr | How is Japan? |
| 06:13:13 | TiMiD | great XD |
| 06:13:47 | TiMiD | but difficult since my japanese is a little sucky |
| 06:13:51 | XavierGr | scottder: I made a VMware image (that you can use with VMware player (free)) that contains all needed programs and files to compile everything in rockbox |
| 06:14:19 | TiMiD | really sucks a lot I can say |
| 06:14:40 | XavierGr | TiMiD: I started learning Japanese a while ago. But my lack of time, and self-commitment don't help me |
| 06:14:54 | | Quit Farpenoodle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 06:15:27 | XavierGr | I had learned hiragana and katakana, but I haven't studyed for weeks and I have forgotten them |
| 06:15:39 | scottder | XavierGr: |
| 06:15:53 | TiMiD | you have to read them to remember them |
| 06:15:58 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 06:16:03 | TiMiD | read a lot of japanese |
| 06:16:08 | DrumRBoy320|Away | Hey... im not trying to be annoying, but annyone here got the pacman files? |
| 06:16:13 | TiMiD | you can buy stories for kids on the net |
| 06:16:19 | TiMiD | story books |
| 06:16:30 | XavierGr | I had a plan to read but as I said lack of time moved me out of it |
| 06:16:33 | TiMiD | you'll learn a lot of vocabulary |
| 06:16:40 | DrumRBoy320|Away | a DCC of teh files would be greatly appriciated |
| 06:16:47 | XavierGr | I started making cards and stuff |
| 06:16:55 | XavierGr | to learn the symbols I used a game |
| 06:17:28 | XavierGr | "Knuckles in China Land" |
| 06:17:49 | XavierGr | Are you in Japan right now? |
| 06:18:22 | DrumRBoy320|Away | nevermind, got em... |
| 06:19:12 | TiMiD | yes |
| 06:19:54 | XavierGr | how is the world over ther? Do you like your life there? How's your work going? |
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| 06:20:44 | TiMiD | oh |
| 06:20:49 | TiMiD | same as everywhere |
| 06:20:56 | TiMiD | not that much different |
| 06:21:11 | TiMiD | excepted the language and some cultural aspects |
| 06:21:24 | TiMiD | work is boring as usual |
| 06:21:36 | TiMiD | but I like to speak with japanese :) |
| 06:21:42 | XavierGr | at least money is good, right? |
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| 06:22:04 | FalloutMan | hey guys |
| 06:22:13 | FalloutMan | anyone up for helping me out> |
| 06:22:15 | FalloutMan | *? |
| 06:22:20 | XavierGr | for what? |
| 06:22:33 | FalloutMan | how do i boot into rockbox |
| 06:22:41 | XavierGr | which target? |
| 06:22:51 | FalloutMan | 5g ipod 30gb |
| 06:23:15 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 06:24:16 | TiMiD | hmm money is ok but I have to pay back half if I dont wanna work for them |
| 06:24:32 | FalloutMan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation i followed the instructions from there and it isnt working :( |
| 06:24:36 | TiMiD | and I don't know where they are going to send me after that |
| 06:25:02 | XavierGr | after that is? ( I mean how long) |
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| 06:25:17 | XavierGr | FalloutMan: I don't have an iPod usually these info help. |
| 06:25:26 | FalloutMan | these info? |
| 06:25:36 | XavierGr | yes |
| 06:25:40 | XavierGr | ok thi |
| 06:25:41 | XavierGr | s |
| 06:25:49 | FalloutMan | what info do you need |
| 06:26:22 | XavierGr | no I don't need any info. I just said that usually this info on the wiki work for most people |
| 06:26:25 | TiMiD | hmm 4 month left |
| 06:26:41 | XavierGr | I wish I could help you but I don't own an iPod. |
| 06:27:00 | XavierGr | Wait or come back later to see if you find someone that could help you. |
| 06:27:12 | FalloutMan | ok |
| 06:27:19 | XavierGr | TiMiD: so after that it maybe France again? |
| 06:27:29 | XavierGr | (or you want to stay in Japan?) |
| 06:28:01 | lostlogic | hold on to your butts swcodec users, and please test my latest commit and report any reproduceable new breakage. |
| 06:28:26 | XavierGr | does it make a vast change? |
| 06:29:24 | lostlogic | not vast in code, but pretty significant in how seeking and skipping are handled |
| 06:29:46 | lostlogic | I think I may have already identified at least one problem with skipping to another file of the same codec that is already in RAM |
| 06:29:52 | DrumRBoy320|Away | anyone here know about iPod rockbox? |
| 06:29:54 | XavierGr | I guess more optimized or clean, right? |
| 06:30:16 | FalloutMan | lawl |
| 06:30:24 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i updated, now when i try to use a plugin... it says "Incompatable Version" and quits |
| 06:30:25 | lostlogic | cleans up a pretty major hack that was in place because pcmbuffer functions were being called by two different threads |
| 06:30:37 | FalloutMan | drum, do you knwo how to install it? |
| 06:30:43 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: then the plugin API version changed, and you didn't upgrade all plugins |
| 06:30:57 | DrumRBoy320|Away | also, when i try to apply a new build its telling me random error, incopying files |
| 06:31:09 | DrumRBoy320|Away | im just trying to apply the newest build |
| 06:31:10 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :/ |
| 06:31:26 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: fsck dat ting |
| 06:31:42 | DrumRBoy320|Away | fsck? |
| 06:33:02 | DrumRBoy320|Away | what is fsck? |
| 06:33:14 | FalloutMan | the eff word |
| 06:33:38 | XavierGr | no, drive checking utility in linux I think |
| 06:33:42 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ... well, that makes sense |
| 06:33:43 | DrumRBoy320|Away | oh |
| 06:33:48 | DrumRBoy320|Away | im in windoze |
| 06:34:22 | lostlogic | then chkdsk it instead |
| 06:34:54 | lostlogic | sounds like filesystem corruption from a hard shutdown during disk write, or a pulled plug on USB durign write, at least at first glance |
| 06:35:19 | DrumRBoy320|Away | aha, i had a power outage while it was plugged in |
| 06:35:21 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :/ |
| 06:35:24 | DrumRBoy320|Away | could that be it? |
| 06:35:33 | lostlogic | yes |
| 06:35:34 | XavierGr | yes, more probably |
| 06:35:45 | XavierGr | echo ;) |
| 06:36:11 | lostlogic | :) |
| 06:36:41 | FalloutMan | im gunna cut my wrists if i cna t get this dam thing working!! |
| 06:36:44 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ok, running chkdsk |
| 06:37:17 | XavierGr | DrumRBoy320|Away: Can you help FalloutMan install rockbox? Maybe he is serious :D |
| 06:37:57 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i have my own problem |
| 06:37:58 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ss |
| 06:37:59 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :( |
| 06:38:13 | FalloutMan | have you gotten it to work before? |
| 06:38:30 | lostlogic | w00t, no red builds, time to sleep. |
| 06:39:09 | DrumRBoy320|Away | chkdsk doesnt help |
| 06:39:10 | FalloutMan | so far, i ran the ipodpatcher in hte cmd and now i have a bottpartition.bin fiel in my C:\rockbox files |
| 06:39:14 | FalloutMan | folder* |
| 06:39:33 | lostlogic | FalloutMan: so now you hafta write that to your ipod... |
| 06:39:39 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: any errors? |
| 06:39:39 | FalloutMan | how |
| 06:39:48 | lostlogic | FalloutMan: I recommend reading the instructionsd on the wiki... |
| 06:39:53 | TiMiD | XavierGr: I don't know, I would like to stay but no information about where they want to send me |
| 06:39:55 | lostlogic | I've never used windows to install it |
| 06:39:58 | FalloutMan | they are confizziling |
| 06:40:24 | TiMiD | XavierGr: if it's in france I've better find a french company that will make me do an interresting work |
| 06:40:39 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: recommend copying any custom stuff you have in .rockbox on the ipod somewhere safe, and then blowing away that directory and installing rockbox again, then copying your special stuff back. |
| 06:40:50 | lostlogic | (config files, wpss, high scores, etc. are all stored in subdirs of .rockbox |
| 06:41:06 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ive already tried to delete everything |
| 06:41:09 | DrumRBoy320|Away | wont delete |
| 06:41:18 | lostlogic | and chkdsk didn't report any errors!? |
| 06:41:21 | DrumRBoy320|Away | tells me the file isnt empty or some crap like that |
| 06:41:27 | DrumRBoy320|Away | it reported like 50000 |
| 06:41:33 | DrumRBoy320|Away | but |
| 06:41:38 | DrumRBoy320|Away | idk what to do with the info |
| 06:41:45 | FalloutMan | alright, im gunna go to bed and deal with this 2marrow, good night |
| 06:41:48 | | Part FalloutMan |
| 06:41:49 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i just keep hitting Y when it asks |
| 06:41:56 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: then it should have fixed some errors |
| 06:42:05 | lostlogic | have you tried deleting the folder since chkdsking? |
| 06:42:18 | DrumRBoy320|Away | yes |
| 06:42:35 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i am trying with /f meaning it wont just detect, but also fix my errors |
| 06:42:36 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i hop |
| 06:42:37 | DrumRBoy320|Away | w |
| 06:42:40 | DrumRBoy320|Away | hope** |
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| 06:42:55 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: probably tyhe right thing to do next. |
| 06:43:33 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i think windows took over the drive and is denying access to teh whoel thing now |
| 06:43:34 | DrumRBoy320|Away | hmm |
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| 06:45:11 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ok, just wiped teh .rockbox folder clean... starting over |
| 06:45:28 | DrumRBoy320|Away | thanks for the advice |
| 06:45:55 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: yayz |
| 06:46:19 | DrumRBoy320|Away | what happened to teh bleeding edge for ipod video? |
| 06:46:43 | lostlogic | the buidl server seems to be confused?\ |
| 06:47:01 | lostlogic | when it's done building they'll be there agian |
| 06:47:23 | DrumRBoy320|Away | oh, so im getting a 100% fresh copy |
| 06:47:28 | DrumRBoy320|Away | nice :) |
| 06:47:41 | lostlogic | yep, with my likely to mildly mess-up skipping/seeking changes :) |
| 06:48:59 | DrumRBoy320|Away | i know someones playin a trick... the iPod video is the last to show up |
| 06:49:00 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :) |
| 06:49:18 | DrumRBoy320|Away | wait, nvm |
| 06:49:19 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :) |
| 06:50:48 | midkay | lostlogic, is there any behavior/performance change in your latest commit, or is it just kind of code cleanliness/What We Should Be Doing (tm) stuff? |
| 06:52:24 | lostlogic | midkay: in theory, performance will improve because we no longer lock on commits to the pcm buffer, but I didnt' verify that, behaviorwise, I don't expect any particular change. This is an essential step in my quest to making the swcodec playback fairly bug-free for 3.0. |
| 06:53:04 | midkay | lostlogic, cool.. hope to see more. nice work. :) |
| 06:53:13 | lostlogic | midkay: I think I measured a 2-3% boost improvement from dropping those locks, the last time I tried it, but at that tiem I hadn't solved the original need for the locks, so I couldn't leave them out. |
| 06:53:28 | midkay | aha.. |
| 06:53:35 | lostlogic | so hopefully this time it won't crash at least, but might still have skip/seek related bugs |
| 06:54:19 | lostlogic | bagh, I'm getting the urge to stay up until 1:02:03, 04/05/06 |
| 06:55:24 | midkay | lostlogic, haha. |
| 06:56:49 | dpassen1 | EST? |
| 06:57:31 | lostlogic | CST |
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| 07:02:29 | Huey | <lostlogic> I'll just put it in CVS and wait for the bitching. |
| 07:02:29 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe |
| 07:02:29 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> That is a most excellent plan |
| 07:02:29 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Huey |
| 07:02:29 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> Just watch the iPod forum. They're kinda good at that |
| 07:02:29 | Huey | <lostlogic> which ipod forum? ours? |
| 07:02:29 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 07:02:29 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah |
| 07:02:31 | Huey | <lostlogic> kk, will do. |
| 07:02:34 | Huey | <lostlogic> I'll just put it in CVS and wait for the bitching. |
| 07:02:35 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe |
| 07:02:37 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> That is a most excellent plan |
| 07:02:39 | lostlogic | wtf? |
| 07:02:39 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> Just watch the iPod forum. They're kinda good at that |
| 07:02:42 | Huey | <lostlogic> which ipod forum? ours? |
| 07:02:43 | Huey | <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah |
| 07:02:46 | Huey | <lostlogic> kk, will do. |
| 07:02:47 | Huey | wtf |
| 07:02:53 | lostlogic | paste problems there? |
| 07:02:55 | Huey | what just happened |
| 07:02:57 | Huey | LOL |
| 07:03:00 | Huey | I guess |
| 07:04:07 | Huey | "I'll just put it in CVS and wait for the bitching." wat is that about? it has ur name |
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| 07:06:27 | lostlogic | my latest commit... |
| 07:06:38 | lostlogic | I expect at least some breakage, but it's for the greater good, so there it is. |
| 07:08:31 | lostlogic | there's also a very attractive hack in that commit that I eagerly await someone laying the smack down on me for. |
| 07:09:31 | lostlogic | B4gder: do any hwcodec targets use the code in gwps-common.c? If so, what in god's name is with the if (!wps_state.paused) audio_pause() and resume calls? :) |
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| 07:09:56 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 07:10:02 | lostlogic | ok :) |
| 07:10:14 | Zoide777 | i just read the feature freeze thread on the forums (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3303.0)... what does this mean for ipod development? will no ipod updates get into cvs now? |
| 07:10:39 | lostlogic | Zoide777: ipod specific coding will probably be reduced, but most code is shared between all swcodec targets, so ... |
| 07:11:37 | Zoide777 | lostlogic: what i don't understand is why the ipod targets are not officially part of the release. it seems like most of them work just as well as the other targets |
| 07:12:25 | lostlogic | Zoide777: too much at once => breakage, there are still major areas of duplicated code for ipods, and the ipod battery life is still 1/4 of the stock firmware, among other things. |
| 07:12:30 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 07:12:35 | lostlogic | I'ms ure Cassandra would have better reasons |
| 07:13:18 | lostlogic | zzZZ |
| 07:14:31 | Zoide777 | hmmm.... i don't doubt that, it's just that at first sight it seems that it will be more of a hassle to limit non-3.0 stuff to patches. especially given that so much of the code is common for all targets |
| 07:15:03 | Zoide777 | then again, maybe i exaggerated. the freeze is just on *new* features, but bugfixes are fine for all platforms, right? |
| 07:15:13 | lostlogic | of course |
| 07:15:21 | XavierGr | morning |
| 07:15:24 | lostlogic | I don't even own a target that is in the release... that's not stoppping me from working on stuff |
| 07:15:31 | lostlogic | BAGH, I said zzZZ didn't I. |
| 07:15:35 | Zoide777 | hehe |
| 07:15:44 | Zoide777 | go sleep, good night! :P |
| 07:15:48 | lostlogic | 'night |
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| 07:16:09 | XavierGr | B4gder: I have the VMware image that we were talking about. 210MB VMware tools and all parts of rockbox compilable. |
| 07:16:29 | XavierGr | Do you know if you can host it? |
| 07:16:29 | B4gder | nice |
| 07:16:38 | B4gder | we certainly can |
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| 07:17:14 | B4gder | can I download it from you? |
| 07:17:26 | XavierGr | it is in rar format do you knwo a better compressing program? |
| 07:17:48 | B4gder | afaik, 7zip is the compression king |
| 07:18:06 | XavierGr | do you want me to compress it with 7zip? Should we gain much? |
| 07:18:16 | B4gder | I have no idea |
| 07:18:22 | B4gder | I generally don't like rar though ;-) |
| 07:18:27 | B4gder | but that's me |
| 07:18:45 | XavierGr | also the disk uncmpressed is 2.00GB maybe it will be a good idea to make it smaller right? |
| 07:18:57 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 07:19:13 | B4gder | well, perhaps 2GB is unnecessary big |
| 07:19:15 | XavierGr | the previous was 1gb I think |
| 07:20:27 | XavierGr | I will make it 1.5 just in case someone has many branches. |
| 07:25:34 | XavierGr | Bagder: With VMware tools we can have shared window folders. But in the VMware studio there is no option for this. Should I leave the patch to C:\ and let it share the whole C drive. Though it won't be able to see other drives (from the plaeyer) |
| 07:25:58 | XavierGr | but I now see that maybe the user can changed it by editing the VMware file |
| 07:26:02 | XavierGr | let me check |
| 07:26:22 | B4gder | I'm not very good with the vmware details so I'm not the best man to ask |
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| 07:38:36 | XavierGr | Wow it will take 40 minutes to compress the image with 7zip according to the meter |
| 07:38:42 | B4gder | haha |
| 07:38:45 | XavierGr | (down to 25) |
| 07:39:17 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:39:43 | XavierGr | morning! |
| 07:39:50 | Bg3r | XavierGr did you have any success with the zeroing ? |
| 07:39:54 | XavierGr | yup |
| 07:39:59 | Bg3r | :P |
| 07:40:01 | Bg3r | how much ? |
| 07:40:17 | XavierGr | the image was compressed down to 210MB now I will try 7zip Ultra compression |
| 07:40:35 | Bg3r | and what was the previous compressed size ? |
| 07:41:01 | XavierGr | and then we are ready. Only a little testing from other users to see if there are any problems |
| 07:41:34 | XavierGr | bger 370MB but I had 100MB of rockbox sources and builds |
| 07:42:34 | Bg3r | hm |
| 07:43:24 | XavierGr | wow when 7zip says ultra it really means ultra compression. 23 minutes to compress and CPU usage at 100% (on a pentium 4 at 3.0GHz) |
| 07:43:49 | B4gder | let's hope it makes a difference too then ;-) |
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| 07:44:13 | XavierGr | yeah, else you know: "Compression my ass" |
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| 07:57:53 | XavierGr | shame that doom is nearly unplayable for H100 targets |
| 07:58:00 | XavierGr | I can barely see anything |
| 07:58:41 | crwl | you can crank the brightness up, but the screen's too slow to actually play |
| 07:58:50 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 07:59:16 | XavierGr | but lol 3d on a b/w screen |
| 07:59:24 | XavierGr | the power of rockbox |
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| 08:00:27 | XavierGr | Brandon did a good job on his last commit. |
| 08:00:47 | XavierGr | While I can hear still some pops on track change. I can't freeze the player |
| 08:01:03 | amiconn | good morning |
| 08:01:19 | XavierGr | Strangely enough those pops occur only when you change track with left/right button. |
| 08:01:33 | XavierGr | If you select another track from the filetree it will never pop |
| 08:01:43 | XavierGr | good morning amiconn |
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| 08:02:28 | amiconn | Who messed up sound.c so badly? |
| 08:02:46 | amiconn | There's a lot of faking going on for the WM* codecs |
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| 08:06:09 | XavierGr | from 210MB rar compressed, 7zip made it 179MB |
| 08:06:13 | XavierGr | I think that's nice |
| 08:06:23 | XavierGr | B4gder: Here? |
| 08:06:36 | B4gder | yes |
| 08:06:47 | XavierGr | do you want to download it from me? |
| 08:06:51 | B4gder | sure! |
| 08:07:05 | XavierGr | how? DCC? |
| 08:07:23 | XavierGr | or better upload it in your space? |
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| 08:08:27 | Bg3r | XavierGr RAR's best ? |
| 08:08:48 | XavierGr | no 7zip is better |
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| 08:08:57 | Bg3r | i mean did you use the rar's "best" option ? |
| 08:09:02 | XavierGr | yes |
| 08:09:05 | Bg3r | hm |
| 08:09:10 | XavierGr | and ultra for 7zip |
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| 08:13:33 | Zoide777 | hi amiconn |
| 08:15:11 | XavierGr | Bger: Why skeptical over the compression. I think it is normal for the 7zip to be better. It took 3-4 times more to compress it. |
| 08:15:56 | Zoide777 | amiconn: aren't the wm* codecs only for when the fixed point lib is ready? |
| 08:16:34 | amiconn | No, they're the audio codecs used in the various iPods |
| 08:17:24 | Zoide777 | oh, wm* is for the dac? |
| 08:19:44 | Bg3r | XavierGr because this is 30MB difference, i didn't expect so much ... ~ 14% |
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| 08:38:50 | * | amiconn just started a battery_bench test run on his mini |
| 08:39:40 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I've just committed a "fix" for some problems in the scaling code in doom, if you have time could you look at the V_DrawMemPatch code; specifically the scaling part, I have been trying to fix the graphic errors, but I'm not sure why it's going over the screen's bounds. It's also causing some data corruption within doom... |
| 08:39:46 | XavierGr | 1.30 minute to uncompress the 179MB image. 7zip seems great. |
| 08:40:57 | XavierGr | amiconn: what files do you play on that becnh? (I mean what bitrate) |
| 08:41:10 | amiconn | mp3 at various bitrates |
| 08:41:29 | amiconn | averaging around 192 kbps |
| 08:41:52 | Zoide777 | amiconn: what do you mean by "faking" in the wm* codecs? |
| 08:42:43 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you have both H100 and H300? |
| 08:42:50 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:43:26 | XavierGr | do you have an H100 remote too? Does it tick on your H100? What about ticking on the H300 (with the H100 remote)? |
| 08:44:03 | amiconn | I have a H100 remote. It doesn't tick |
| 08:44:27 | amiconn | (afaik the ticking is a fault in the main unit hardware, not the remote itself) |
| 08:44:42 | XavierGr | Because I now have 3 H100 remotes all three tick with the H100 (though different ticking loudness) and 1 of them doesn't tick on the H300 (the other 2 tick as hell) |
| 08:45:26 | XavierGr | I am waiting for an H115 to test another remote and player. |
| 08:45:47 | XavierGr | But to me it seems that both remote and main unit can be blamed at times. |
| 08:45:53 | amiconn | To be honest I didn't test remote on my H300 much |
| 08:46:23 | amiconn | Usually my H100 remote resides deep in some drawer, only to be taken out for occasional development activities... |
| 08:46:28 | XavierGr | My cousin has an H300 LCD ticking remote too. He was very dissapointed when he got it. |
| 08:47:06 | XavierGr | ha on the contrary I use my remote too much that sometimes I wonder why I bought an H300 if I can't enjoy the nice screen it has. |
| 08:47:22 | amiconn | Does the 'reduce ticking' option work on the H300? |
| 08:48:08 | XavierGr | I tried to compile once with it. (on the H300-config.h I included the HAS_TICKING_REMOTE) but the player crashed. |
| 08:48:29 | XavierGr | Though that time I didn't had an H300 the tester was my cousin with the H300 LCD remote |
| 08:48:45 | XavierGr | so I will try to make the same test with my player. |
| 08:51:48 | amiconn | Hmm. Too bad my remote doesn't tick, because I have some ideas how to reduce ticking even better, without loading the CPU that much |
| 08:53:15 | amiconn | It would require quite some experimentation though |
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| 08:57:02 | amiconn | There are 2 main ideas: (1) try to switch SCL and SDA at the same time if they both change state in the opposite direction (e.g. SDA goes high->low and SCL goes low->high), only apply a delay in the other cases (only one changes) |
| 08:57:45 | amiconn | (2) Make the delay pseudo-random instead of fixed. |
| 08:59:27 | XavierGr | Now I am even more confused. Remote ticking loudness is different in each target |
| 08:59:55 | XavierGr | on H100 the silver ticks more than the black while on H300 the opposite |
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| 09:00:19 | amiconn | Slasheri: r u there? |
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| 09:02:37 | XavierGr | and BTW the H300 LCD-less remote works perfectly on H100 unti |
| 09:02:42 | XavierGr | ^unit |
| 09:03:21 | amiconn | Yes, all 3 iriver remote types work on both H1x0 and H300 |
| 09:03:35 | amiconn | (since I fixed the type detection at devcon) |
| 09:03:39 | Bg3r | XavierGr but try with the original fw :) |
| 09:03:56 | XavierGr | it won't on the original? |
| 09:04:01 | XavierGr | my my.... |
| 09:04:06 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 09:04:16 | XavierGr | let me test |
| 09:04:34 | amiconn | Afaik the H300 original firmware handles the H100 remote |
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| 09:05:21 | amiconn | Not sure whether the H1x0 original firmware does remote detection |
| 09:06:16 | XavierGr | it works perfectly |
| 09:06:38 | XavierGr | now the only combination left is trying an H300 LCD remote with the H100 unit |
| 09:07:09 | amiconn | maybe ask Linus |
| 09:07:28 | XavierGr | ah yes indeed |
| 09:09:04 | amiconn | With this ticking issue, a remote grayscale lib for iriver is out of question. It wouldn't just tick, it would make lots of noise... |
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| 09:15:07 | petur | amiconn: did you see this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4982 |
| 09:15:56 | XavierGr | bad news on the shared folder capability of VMware tools. It seems that only the workstation manages to set up the shared folders even if the user edits the VMware image to include a shared folder from the player |
| 09:15:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:16:26 | XavierGr | but we don't loose much. Compiling on a shared folder is more slow that cygwin itself |
| 09:16:44 | amiconn | I know |
| 09:17:14 | B4gder | why not export a disk from the VM using samba? |
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| 09:21:34 | ashridah | B4gder: rofl |
| 09:22:11 | ashridah | could also enable ssh and use winscp to access stuff |
| 09:22:24 | ashridah | that'll be easier to setup, but samba'll perform better |
| 09:22:28 | B4gder | indeed |
| 09:22:33 | XavierGr | B4gder: We do |
| 09:22:55 | XavierGr | you can access all the filesystem of linux by typing \\debian |
| 09:23:07 | B4gder | and that isn't good enough? |
| 09:23:09 | XavierGr | though I didn't managed to do the opposite |
| 09:23:21 | XavierGr | access Windows files within linux using Samba |
| 09:23:42 | B4gder | using smbclient or smbmount you mean? |
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| 09:25:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think for this purpose, being able to access it from windows is pretty much fine. |
| 09:26:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, the only disadvantage is that you don't have access to the files while the VM isn't running |
| 09:26:41 | XavierGr | yes that is the only limitation |
| 09:27:02 | XavierGr | that's why I wanted shared folders, but when I saw the compile times I changed my mind |
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| 09:44:48 | solexx | ouch |
| 09:44:50 | solexx | *PANIC* |
| 09:44:55 | solexx | mount: 0 |
| 09:45:06 | ashridah | ? |
| 09:45:07 | solexx | on first boot of current CVS build on iriver h120 |
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| 09:45:52 | solexx | hm, second boot works |
| 09:48:03 | amiconn | lostlogic: Your latest change seems to stop the freezes, but now voice stops working when playback is stopped, as soon as something was played |
| 09:49:55 | amiconn | I.e. voice works directly after boot, and during playback. Stopping playback stops voice working. Restarting playback also restarts voice, sometimes babbling clips queued during the stop period |
| 09:50:19 | amiconn | *sometimes* voice works after stop |
| 09:51:12 | amiconn | Voice sometimes goes weird, cycling through filetype clips several times. After a while it stops again |
| 09:55:50 | solexx | is there a way to prevent the dircache to scan certain directories? |
| 09:56:06 | solexx | i keep a svn working copy with a lot of small files on my player |
| 09:56:23 | solexx | which i never need to see |
| 09:58:09 | amiconn | Yes there is a way: don't use dircache ;) |
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| 09:58:34 | solexx | grr! |
| 09:58:58 | solexx | hm, i will keep that in mind for post-freeze |
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| 10:02:25 | Bg3r | solexx as usual, u can post a feature request :) |
| 10:03:11 | JdGordon | is any1 else having problems with doom saying no base wads with the latet version? |
| 10:03:20 | JdGordon | even when prboom.wad is in /games/doom |
| 10:03:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom uses rockdoom.wad now, not prboom. |
| 10:04:30 | JdGordon | oh, u cant use prboom anymore? |
| 10:04:38 | * | JdGordon goes to get rockdoom.wad then |
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| 10:07:34 | JdGordon | yippeeee :D crash on save game load.. |
| 10:07:45 | XavierGr | was there a time that voice UI worked on SW_CODEC without bugs? |
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| 10:09:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's been a few times where it was okay. Not bug free, but very within the usable range |
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| 10:15:38 | JdGordon | this is awesome... im doing this for my 21st when i get some cash :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pub_golf |
| 10:16:25 | B4gder | "Sometimes, people ask me if it is a sin in the church of Emacs to use the editor Vi. It is true that Vi-Vi-Vi is the editor of the beast." |
| 10:16:32 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:16:54 | JdGordon | groan.. |
| 10:16:54 | B4gder | (quote by RMS) |
| 10:17:08 | pabs | i really prefer the emacs ones |
| 10:17:25 | pabs | EMACS: Escape Meta Alt Control Shift |
| 10:17:39 | pabs | or EMACS: Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping |
| 10:17:46 | pabs | are there funny vi ones? |
| 10:18:04 | B4gder | nah, vi is never funny ;-P |
| 10:18:08 | pabs | :/ |
| 10:18:38 | nudel | Learn Vi in 21 milliseconds −− :qw |
| 10:19:13 | nudel | I particularly love those Vi builds where the cursor keys don't work because they're stuck in the 1940s before keyboards had such an invention. |
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| 10:20:05 | Galois | M-x viper-mode ... |
| 10:20:13 | B4gder | now when was the first keyboard with dedicated cursors keys? |
| 10:20:41 | B4gder | late 80s? |
| 10:20:51 | nudel | Hitler invented it in 1942 but it was not mass produced until just after the end of the 1st world war, in 1968. |
| 10:21:21 | B4gder | did the original XT keyboards have them? |
| 10:21:23 | JdGordon | u mean 2nd ww? |
| 10:21:23 | nudel | Meanwhile starlin was working on something that would revolutionise the computing world: The two button mouse! |
| 10:21:46 | B4gder | starlin? is that darth vader's father? |
| 10:21:53 | nudel | spoilers! |
| 10:21:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | There ought to be a "History of Computing" wiki somewhere with odd bits like that. |
| 10:22:07 | B4gder | I bet there is |
| 10:23:54 | Mikachu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing |
| 10:24:21 | JdGordon | i think im doing a subject named something like that next semester |
| 10:25:59 | B4gder | seems Mac plus had dedicated cursor keys |
| 10:26:01 | B4gder | 1986 |
| 10:26:14 | B4gder | the AT keyboard too, introduced the same year |
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| 10:28:18 | JdGordon | so there u go! |
| 10:28:56 | B4gder | and vi started 1976 |
| 10:29:31 | Bg3r | amiconn how much should i increase the MAXTHREAD ? |
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| 10:30:21 | Bg3r | (bugid 5037) |
| 10:30:27 | Bg3r | MAXTHREADS |
| 10:37:05 | bluebrother^ | doom crashes on my h120 :( |
| 10:37:33 | bluebrother^ | the last line I can read is "Z_Malloc: Failure trying to" (rest is out of screen) |
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| 10:37:46 | bluebrother^ | on current cvs build. |
| 10:38:10 | * | bluebrother^ picks a paperclip |
| 10:38:46 | linuxstb | bluebrother^: Did the same wad work with earlier versions? |
| 10:39:01 | bluebrother^ | no, but it worked on the sim. |
| 10:39:15 | bluebrother^ | haven't tried previous versions on my player. |
| 10:39:18 | linuxstb | Do some wads work? |
| 10:39:27 | bluebrother^ | shareware wad, rockdoom.wad. |
| 10:39:40 | bluebrother^ | how can I change them? I just picked "start game" |
| 10:40:22 | linuxstb | There is a "game" option in the first menu - you use that to change the game. |
| 10:40:51 | bluebrother^ | it seems I have only the shareware game found. |
| 10:41:08 | bluebrother^ | Tried changing the "player bobbing" setting −− dap crashed again :( |
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| 11:31:35 | * | linuxstb notices that Doom is broken.... |
| 11:32:15 | Mikachu | if i go around and inline various functions in rockbox, and it shrinks rockbox.ipod, can i then assume it will shrink on all targets? |
| 11:33:11 | linuxstb | Just install the other cross-compilers and test it. |
| 11:33:51 | Mikachu | "Just" :) |
| 11:34:09 | linuxstb | It's only three commands and a bit of a wait :) |
| 11:34:32 | linuxstb | It's always a good idea to test patches with all compilers anyway. |
| 11:35:45 | linuxstb | But I'm curious how inlining funtions can reduce the binary size. |
| 11:36:03 | Mikachu | static functions only called from one location... |
| 11:36:14 | Mikachu | maybe just adding -finline-functions would be easier |
| 11:36:36 | linuxstb | How many bytes are we talking about for each function? |
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| 11:36:57 | Mikachu | i inlined three functions and saved ~200 bytes |
| 11:37:17 | Mikachu | 160 to be exact |
| 11:37:23 | linuxstb | Wow. Maybe that's the −−long-jumps overhead. |
| 11:37:43 | Mikachu | i'm running a make with -finline-functions now.. |
| 11:37:46 | B4gder | inline and -O2/O3 makes a huge diff for ARM |
| 11:37:59 | B4gder | I've learned in my work project |
| 11:38:03 | Mikachu | i didn't have much success with -O3 iirc :) |
| 11:38:05 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:38:06 | Mikachu | didn't even compile |
| 11:38:26 | B4gder | you checked the asm? |
| 11:38:38 | Mikachu | no, i just do this by trial and error |
| 11:38:41 | B4gder | ok |
| 11:38:56 | Mikachu | -finline-functions is not good, increased size by tens of kB |
| 11:39:00 | B4gder | I found that plain inline is sometimes still fiddling around with registers a lot in vain |
| 11:39:37 | B4gder | but I don't know what -O level that is required to make it good |
| 11:39:54 | Mikachu | that option says it's enabled by -O3 |
| 11:40:24 | B4gder | in my loop I have at work with two level of inlined function calls... |
| 11:40:30 | B4gder | I went from 50 to 9 instructions |
| 11:40:39 | B4gder | by using -O3 |
| 11:40:41 | Mikachu | heh |
| 11:43:51 | B4gder | I do 1mhz 16bits 2channel sampling on my 180mhz arm9, I need my cycles ;-) |
| 11:46:13 | ScoTTie_ | anyone have a working link for puttycyg ? |
| 11:46:51 | bluebrother^ | puttycyg? |
| 11:47:41 | ScoTTie_ | yeah, lets you use putty instead of the cygwin console |
| 11:47:47 | ScoTTie_ | without telnetd/sshd |
| 11:48:32 | amiconn | -O3 and even -O2 is a bad idea for some archs |
| 11:48:45 | amiconn | sh-elf-gcc introduces nasty bugs with that |
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| 11:50:19 | B4gder | well, the root linux kernel uses -O2 |
| 11:50:25 | B4gder | root makefile I mean |
| 11:51:10 | amiconn | Perhaps it would work better with newer gcc, |
| 11:51:17 | amiconn | but we can't use any gcc 4.x for sh |
| 11:51:21 | * | petur is hit by mailinglist lag and mails the same thing as Linus |
| 11:51:30 | preglow | would you need lots of recoding to make rockbox work with 4.x? |
| 11:51:35 | amiconn | ...because of their (mho) silly design decision |
| 11:51:37 | B4gder | I doubt anyone builds linux for sh1 though ;-) |
| 11:52:03 | amiconn | ...and sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x is even less recommendable than 3.3.x |
| 11:52:16 | amiconn | It generates larger code, with more bugs at higher -O levels |
| 11:52:58 | preglow | 'cause i don't really see the gcc thing changing |
| 11:54:26 | amiconn | B4gder: archoslinux? ;) |
| 11:54:35 | B4gder | hehe |
| 11:54:37 | preglow | perhaps just doing a plugin rebuild with 4.x and have a look at the result code and performance would be a good indicator whether to really bother |
| 11:55:14 | amiconn | Core size is what matters most on archos |
| 11:55:49 | preglow | sh.c seems to have gained 50kb, at least |
| 11:56:02 | preglow | amiconn: well, yeah, and if all plugins are smaller... |
| 11:56:58 | preglow | sh.md also seems to have gained quite a bit in size |
| 11:57:06 | preglow | so at least there's a chance something has happened |
| 11:57:09 | amiconn | Well, the core is ~6 times the size of the plugin buffer on archos |
| 11:57:16 | amiconn | That's excluding .bss ... |
| 11:57:37 | preglow | then lucky me i didn't say you'd get anything else than an indication |
| 11:58:06 | preglow | just saying it might be worth a shot to see if it actually generates better/smaller code |
| 11:58:07 | Slasheri | amiconn: hi, now i am :) |
| 11:58:52 | Mikachu | funny, you can't inline a function before it appears, even if you predeclare it |
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| 11:59:37 | preglow | amiconn: hell, the gcc backend files for sh1 are far bigger than the ones for m68k... |
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| 12:01:11 | amiconn | Slasheri: Some notes regarding the 'committing tagcache' splash: |
| 12:01:40 | amiconn | (1) Imho it would be better to only even call this splash when there's actually something to commit |
| 12:01:52 | amiconn | (2) It doesn't work right on the iriver remote |
| 12:02:31 | amiconn | (3) On recorder+Ondio the message still overlays the logo. Perhaps we could use the very first line (the logo is placed at y=10 for all targets) |
| 12:02:36 | preglow | btw, i think plugins should really disable the remote in some way while they're going. just getting the spurious splashes and stuff with nothing else displayed looks kind of buggy |
| 12:02:42 | amiconn | (4) On player, there's no indication at all |
| 12:03:16 | amiconn | I might look into this, but could need some hints where to look for the calls |
| 12:03:31 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, true. i will try to look at the issue later today by using the simulators |
| 12:05:15 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree, but plugins which use the built-in menus also display those menus on the remote. Would you want to stop that? |
| 12:05:20 | amiconn | Slasheri: As mentioned, I might look into this. I would like the tracknum issue to be fixed. |
| 12:05:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, thanks :) i will look the tracknum issue then |
| 12:06:11 | * | amiconn also mentions chunked browsing again... |
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| 12:07:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: the commit takes effect at boot time only if TAGCACHE_FILE_TEMP file is present |
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| 12:07:50 | preglow | linuxstb: yes, if they don't display anything else to the remote |
| 12:08:00 | preglow | linuxstb: just displaying the menus but not the game itself makes no sense |
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| 12:08:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I personally think the plugin should still show rwps if at all possible, but that's just me. |
| 12:08:34 | preglow | linuxstb: game/plugin/whatever |
| 12:08:48 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: It's not possible with the current design |
| 12:08:51 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: don't know how easy that'd be |
| 12:09:10 | amiconn | It would require two UI threads - my old ide |
| 12:09:11 | amiconn | a |
| 12:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if it's not possible, then "blank unless the plugin uses it for something" works. :) |
| 12:09:45 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, exactly |
| 12:09:50 | preglow | the current thing looks glitchy |
| 12:09:50 | amiconn | It already gets blanked at plugin start |
| 12:10:00 | preglow | amiconn: but widget use pastes nonsense all over it |
| 12:13:18 | Bg3r | wouldn't one change to FOR_NB_SCREENS macro and a global var fix this ? |
| 12:13:45 | preglow | probably |
| 12:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: I think I love that "Ask questions the smart way" link. I had never seen that before. |
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| 12:17:00 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:17:20 | LinusN | good reading for everyone |
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| 12:18:36 | LinusN | i just wish i have read "Getting rid of annoying anonymous people" too :-) |
| 12:20:55 | preglow | oh, but you can! |
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| 12:21:36 | * | preglow brandishes "/ignore" and it's email counterpart "don't read" |
| 12:21:44 | preglow | s/it's/its/ |
| 12:21:47 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:22:04 | LinusN | lunch! |
| 12:22:43 | ashridah | mmm. lunch |
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| 12:38:53 | Girl_Rock | hello |
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| 12:39:07 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 12:39:29 | Girl_Rock | what you name?? |
| 12:39:58 | Jungti1234 | me? |
| 12:40:41 | Girl_Rock | I from spain |
| 12:40:58 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 12:41:07 | Jungti1234 | I'm Korean. |
| 12:41:33 | Girl_Rock | ok |
| 12:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if we have users on all continents. |
| 12:42:54 | Girl_Rock | Europa |
| 12:43:12 | Jungti1234 | Asia |
| 12:43:40 | Girl_Rock | I dont INGLISH |
| 12:43:46 | Jungti1234 | :) ENGLISH |
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| 12:44:27 | Jungti1234 | you don't well speak english... more than me. |
| 12:44:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just curious in General. I know I've seen Europe, Asia, North America, and Australian rockbox users in the forums. |
| 12:44:49 | Girl_Rock | sorry |
| 12:44:54 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 12:45:12 | Jungti1234 | don't worry.. |
| 12:45:51 | XavierGr | what about Africa? |
| 12:45:57 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 12:46:25 | Jungti1234 | Girl_Rock: I don't well speak english too. :) I use translation. |
| 12:46:54 | Girl_Rock | what moment please!!! |
| 12:47:04 | XavierGr | Jungti: Ah so that's why your grammar is weird? That explains everything :D |
| 12:47:19 | Jungti1234 | hahaha... yes.. :D |
| 12:47:49 | XavierGr | At least we can communicate. Your translator does the job. |
| 12:48:02 | Jungti1234 | Translation isn't perfect.... |
| 12:48:03 | Lynx_ | we have the rockbox chairman in burundi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/InnocentNdikuriyo |
| 12:48:15 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 12:48:33 | XavierGr | Rockbox chairman? |
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| 12:48:54 | Jungti1234 | what is 'chairman'? |
| 12:49:40 | Lynx_ | i have no idea |
| 12:49:59 | ashridah | Jungti1234: the person who leads a committee or board |
| 12:50:06 | Jungti1234 | ahh |
| 12:50:30 | ashridah | i'm more interested to work out what a "chairmain" is :) |
| 12:50:58 | Girl_Rock | I am of spain and not to be spoken ingles very well |
| 12:51:21 | Jungti1234 | hehehe, Is difficult to understand. |
| 12:51:57 | Jungti1234 | Girl_Rock: How old are you? |
| 12:55:14 | Girl_Rock | 17 |
| 12:55:18 | Girl_Rock | and you?? |
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| 12:56:12 | Jungti1234 | um.. may be me too |
| 12:56:23 | Jungti1234 | maybe |
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| 12:57:52 | Girl_Rock | and you?? |
| 12:57:52 | Mikachu | heh, inlining just one function tagcache.c saves 292 bytes |
| 12:57:59 | preglow | jesus, i am so tired of gl and bluechip trying to pick a fight |
| 12:58:25 | Mikachu | they are still going on the ml? |
| 12:58:27 | preglow | sure |
| 12:58:32 | preglow | like i said |
| 12:58:34 | preglow | they won't let it rest |
| 12:58:38 | Jungti1234 | Girl_Rock: What's meaning? |
| 12:58:39 | Mikachu | i'm glad i'm not subscribed :) |
| 12:58:54 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: she wants to know how old you are |
| 12:58:56 | petur | the good thing is they post bugs and fixes from time to time |
| 12:59:07 | Jungti1234 | she? |
| 12:59:14 | preglow | sure, and they can continue doing that |
| 12:59:17 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: he/she |
| 12:59:22 | Jungti1234 | hehe :) |
| 12:59:23 | preglow | but without trying to pick a fight every month |
| 12:59:41 | Jungti1234 | Girl_Rock: maybe 17. |
| 12:59:59 | preglow | they've made their choice, know the consequences and shouldn't start whining every other post |
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| 13:00:29 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: you don't know how old you are? |
| 13:00:40 | Jungti1234 | yes..... |
| 13:01:12 | Girl_Rock | messenger?? |
| 13:01:18 | Bg3r | Mikachu i think koreans have different year system ... |
| 13:01:25 | Bg3r | or something like this |
| 13:01:39 | Jungti1234 | :) a little different. |
| 13:01:57 | Slasheri | Mikachu: hmm, which function? |
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| 13:02:06 | Mikachu | Slasheri: the one that returns a struct |
| 13:02:06 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
| 13:03:00 | Jungti1234 | maybe he was boring... |
| 13:03:17 | Jungti1234 | he/she |
| 13:03:41 | linuxstb | Off-topic question, but I know lots of people here know SSH. I have a problem when working remotely on some servers (Linux to Linux ssh connection), that the ssh session will just freeze after a period of inactivity. Killing the terminal window is the only way out. Any suggestions? |
| 13:03:41 | Slasheri | Mikachu: there are many functions that return a struct :) |
| 13:03:59 | Mikachu | Slasheri: hm, static too then :) |
| 13:04:40 | Slasheri | hehe, but why not just tell me the function name? ;) |
| 13:05:30 | preglow | linuxstb: if you're still using your isp, it sounds like the problem you're having with irc in another incarnation |
| 13:05:33 | Mikachu | struct index_entry *find_entry_disk |
| 13:05:52 | ashridah | linuxstb: how long a period of inactivity? |
| 13:06:08 | Slasheri | Mikachu: uh, that is a huge function if you are going to inline it entirely |
| 13:06:33 | Mikachu | Slasheri: but it's only called from one place |
| 13:06:37 | amiconn | Umm, returning structs should be avoided. |
| 13:06:59 | linuxstb | ashridah: Of the order of a few minutes. |
| 13:07:03 | amiconn | Usually it's better to return pointers |
| 13:07:10 | Mikachu | that would explain why it saved so much space |
| 13:07:11 | ashridah | linuxstb: tried turning on TCPKeepAlive ? |
| 13:07:19 | linuxstb | preglow: In what way? I'm not losing my IRC connection at the same time. |
| 13:07:24 | Slasheri | amiconn: well, that is a pointer to a struct :) |
| 13:07:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:07:31 | linuxstb | ashridah: Is that a client or server feature? |
| 13:07:35 | preglow | linuxstb: it might not happen to all your tcp connections at the same time |
| 13:07:38 | ashridah | linuxstb: client, iirc. |
| 13:07:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: i don't think that returning a void* pointer would be better.. |
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| 13:07:48 | preglow | linuxstb: but to me it sounds like the typical dsl router bug that sometimes kills tcp connections |
| 13:07:51 | amiconn | Slasheri: I was referring to [13:03:42] <Slasheri> Mikachu: there are many functions that return a struct |
| 13:07:58 | Slasheri | ah |
| 13:08:00 | preglow | i used to get freezing ssh _all the time_ when i used the buggy dsl router i had |
| 13:08:09 | Slasheri | in fact all of them return a struct pointer |
| 13:08:21 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, it does seem to affect me more at home than with other connections. So it could be the router. So I guess there is no workaround? |
| 13:08:36 | linuxstb | ashridah: I think I've tried that in the past, but I'll try again now. |
| 13:09:03 | ashridah | linuxstb: i've seen some very pathetic stateful firewalls that time out a connection super early, is all |
| 13:09:13 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds very likely to me, after all, i had the same problem with my old router, and know of tons of people who're still having the same problem |
| 13:10:27 | linuxstb | So (assuming TCPKeepAlive doesn't fix it), the only solution is to buy a better router? |
| 13:10:40 | Mikachu | saved 996 bytes in tagcache.c |
| 13:11:06 | linuxstb | Maybe I should also check for firmware updates.... |
| 13:11:29 | Mikachu | 2784 overall |
| 13:11:31 | Mikachu | <- bored |
| 13:11:35 | linuxstb | Keep going... |
| 13:11:50 | ashridah | linuxstb: that's assuming it's your end |
| 13:12:02 | ashridah | i'd bust out ethereal and filter for just ssh |
| 13:12:13 | ashridah | preferably at both ends, if possible |
| 13:12:18 | ashridah | see which end stops responding |
| 13:12:32 | linuxstb | I've never used those.... |
| 13:12:47 | ashridah | filters? or ethereal? |
| 13:13:14 | linuxstb | Both. I'll ask google. |
| 13:13:21 | amiconn | Mikachu: What target? |
| 13:13:27 | Mikachu | ipod nano |
| 13:13:38 | Mikachu | i wonder if i can save a fat cluster :P |
| 13:13:39 | * | amiconn would be evry interested in such savings for archos (sh1) |
| 13:14:09 | B4gder | linuxstb: "ServerAliveInterval 60" in ssh_config at least helps keeping connections alive |
| 13:14:45 | B4gder | nats/ipmasqurading things time out idle connections otherwise |
| 13:15:09 | ashridah | B4gder: just catching up, are we? :) |
| 13:15:46 | B4gder | I thought I'd mention the exact config line |
| 13:16:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:16:12 | ashridah | i did too |
| 13:16:21 | ashridah | although, admittedly, i see now it's been deprecated in favour of the server one |
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| 13:16:30 | ashridah | since that uses ssh to do it, instead of tcp |
| 13:16:48 | B4gder | that tcp one is useless |
| 13:17:08 | B4gder | isn't it? |
| 13:17:18 | B4gder | tcp keepalive usually is at least |
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| 13:17:25 | ashridah | anyway tethereal -w dump.txt dst port 22 |
| 13:17:35 | ashridah | B4gder: it's worked for me |
| 13:17:35 | Nico_P | Slasheri: since the last tagcache commit, when i'm in ID3 database mode, absolutely nothing is show... |
| 13:17:40 | ashridah | it's just spoofable |
| 13:17:48 | Nico_P | i tried recreating the tagcache but it didn't change anything |
| 13:18:16 | Slasheri | Nico_P: you don't have extracted the full zip then |
| 13:18:19 | linuxstb | B4gder: Thanks. I'll do some tests. |
| 13:18:25 | Slasheri | you need to have tagnavi.config file on .rockbox |
| 13:18:38 | ashridah | linuxstb: that tethereal command (assuming you've got it installed) will dump the traffic to a file. do that on both ends, wait for the issue to occur, kill them both (run them in screen or something), and then copy both files home. |
| 13:18:53 | Nico_P | Slasheri: thanks |
| 13:18:54 | ashridah | open them up in ethereal, and you can look through and see which end seems to have gotten lost. |
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| 13:19:16 | ashridah | (if both ends start not getting replies, then it could be a device in the middle being a dick |
| 13:19:34 | ashridah | depends how savvy you are with general tcp/ip networking protocols tho |
| 13:20:12 | linuxstb | Thanks. I'll test those two config options first, and if they don't help, I'll roll up my sleeves... |
| 13:20:58 | Mikachu | amiconn: see if this does anything, http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox_apps-inline.patch |
| 13:23:03 | B4gder | that TCPKeepAlive option only enables the SO_KEEPALIVE option |
| 13:23:48 | * | B4gder returns back to work |
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| 13:27:27 | DeathRose | heya |
| 13:27:39 | DeathRose | how can i get doom to run on my 5g ipod? |
| 13:27:55 | Mikachu | follow the instructions on the wiki page |
| 13:27:55 | crashd | DeathRose: install CVS build |
| 13:28:01 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 13:28:31 | DeathRose | i looked at that page and it didn't make much sense! |
| 13:28:44 | Bg3r | B4gder how should i check whether a langv2 file is ok ? |
| 13:29:31 | Jungti1234 | It's a little complicated... |
| 13:29:36 | B4gder | use genlang -b, and if makes a binary output with no complaints it should be fine |
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| 13:29:40 | B4gder | if it |
| 13:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | DeathRose: I'm afraid if that page doesn't make much sense, what people will be able to tell you won't make much either. |
| 13:30:05 | B4gder | but I should probably consider a "lang lint" option |
| 13:30:08 | linuxstb | DeathRose: Which part of it doesn't make sense? How far through the instructions have you got? |
| 13:30:13 | Bg3r | B4gder and about the voices ? |
| 13:30:22 | DeathRose | all it tells me is to copy two files into my /games/ipod folder... done that but nothing happens |
| 13:30:36 | linuxstb | It tells you to copy them into /games/doom/ |
| 13:30:44 | B4gder | Bg3r: they're only used by the voice-generating scripts |
| 13:30:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then you run Doom. |
| 13:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | After putting them in the right folder, as linuxstb mentioned |
| 13:31:20 | DeathRose | sorry yeah mis thought |
| 13:31:24 | Bg3r | B4gder because patch # 5029 changes some voice lines from voice: "" to voice: |
| 13:31:28 | DeathRose | thy are in the right folder and nothing happens |
| 13:31:35 | DeathRose | how do i 'run doom' |
| 13:31:40 | DeathRose | what do i select |
| 13:31:44 | linuxstb | But note that the very latest builds of Rockbox have broken Doom on the 5g..... |
| 13:31:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the plugins list, there's one named Doom... |
| 13:31:49 | B4gder | Bg3r: the correct syntax is _with_ the quotes |
| 13:32:00 | DeathRose | i don't even get that far |
| 13:32:09 | DeathRose | all i get it a folder called games which i select |
| 13:32:15 | linuxstb | DeathRose: Bring up the main menu (press MENU), then select "Browse Plugins" |
| 13:32:27 | DeathRose | ah i'll try that |
| 13:32:53 | linuxstb | There is a nice Rockbox manual available here: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 13:33:17 | DeathRose | done it :) thanks |
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| 13:39:01 | DeathRose | not to just try getting addons working |
| 13:39:16 | DeathRose | now |
| 13:39:22 | Bg3r | B4gder imho all genlang messages should be printed to stderr (at least when using -u option) |
| 13:41:50 | DeathRose | when i try and load the addons it comes up with "there were still 4 files left" how can i get round this? |
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| 13:42:29 | amiconn | Mikachu: Your patch doesn't apply cleanly. I get a failed hunk in playback.c |
| 13:42:34 | DeathRose | wait i first get you cannot -file with a shareware version... is this the problem? |
| 13:42:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | DeathRose: the problem is that addons do not work with the shareware version of doom |
| 13:43:06 | Mikachu | amiconn: okay, i hand edited the patch a bit, apparently it didn't go so well |
| 13:43:07 | B4gder | Bg3r: it would make it more awkward to update a language surely |
| 13:43:12 | * | Febs kicks himself for getting sucked into and perpetuating the gl narcissism saga. |
| 13:43:25 | B4gder | Bg3r: now you can use -u and redirect to a new file and edit that until all comments have been dealt with |
| 13:43:26 | * | JdGordon kicks gl for starting it! |
| 13:43:29 | DeathRose | how do i fix this? (i have a copy of the full doom1 and 2) |
| 13:43:37 | Mikachu | then use them instead |
| 13:43:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | DeathRose: Copy the .wad from either of those into /games/doom and use it. |
| 13:43:52 | DeathRose | ok |
| 13:45:18 | amiconn | Mikachu: patching file playback.c |
| 13:45:18 | amiconn | Hunk #11 FAILED at 1796. |
| 13:46:14 | Mikachu | if you revert the last hunk in playlist.c too, it should be fine |
| 13:46:49 | Mikachu | or remove from the patch file before applying |
| 13:47:27 | Mikachu | hmm |
| 13:47:37 | Mikachu | i think you will have to remove the first hunk too then, or gcc will complain |
| 13:47:55 | Mikachu | i had to move the whole function and add prototypes for it to be inlined, maybe not quite worth it |
| 13:48:09 | Mikachu | and use __attribute__((always_inline)) |
| 13:49:48 | Mikachu | amiconn: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox_apps-inline2.patch has those changes |
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| 14:03:37 | amiconn | Mikachu: I did −−dry-run |
| 14:05:19 | Mikachu | i suspected that |
| 14:05:45 | amiconn | your patch saves 496 bytes on archos recorder |
| 14:05:48 | amiconn | Not bad... |
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| 14:06:50 | petur | hehe, more space to fill with eye-candy :P |
| 14:06:57 | Mikachu | how big is rockbox.archos? |
| 14:07:48 | amiconn | There is no rockbox.archos. It's called ajbrec.ajz so that the original firmware can load it |
| 14:08:08 | lostlogic | anyone seen particular new badness in swcodec playback since 6am GMT? |
| 14:08:11 | amiconn | This filled is self-extracting for recordewr now, so the size doesn't tell anything |
| 14:08:46 | amiconn | I compared rombox.ucl size. That's the uncompressed flash file |
| 14:08:49 | Mikachu | ah okay |
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| 14:09:06 | amiconn | Your patch brought it down to 225126 bytes |
| 14:09:09 | XavierGr | I just can't understand why gl.tter is refering to stolen code. He posts on the mailing list that there is a bug somewhere, while he knows that he wont get credit using a nick. And then what? He expects the devs NOT to fix the bug because he discovered? And which part of the code was his anyway? He just corrected a bug. |
| 14:09:28 | Mikachu | i know you can't compare them straight off, but my rockbox.ipod is 363kB |
| 14:09:40 | Bg3r | XavierGr he just *pointed* a bug |
| 14:09:48 | XavierGr | It is like asking copyright for a bug |
| 14:09:51 | Mikachu | so you stole his point? i don't believe points can be copyrighted |
| 14:10:31 | XavierGr | strange logix he has. |
| 14:10:32 | * | ashridah reads every single line of rockbox and thus, now owns the copyrights |
| 14:10:36 | XavierGr | ^logic |
| 14:10:38 | ashridah | you people owe me money |
| 14:10:44 | XavierGr | :D |
| 14:11:30 | Febs | "Hi, I want recognition AND anonymity!" |
| 14:11:38 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 14:12:00 | Febs | Personally, I found Linus' commit message highly amusing. |
| 14:12:12 | LinusN | he didn't :-) |
| 14:12:14 | preglow | lostlogic: beeps are playing over music |
| 14:12:22 | preglow | lostlogic: just try it yourself, it's really easy to reproduce |
| 14:12:40 | LinusN | even bluechip thought it was funny |
| 14:13:11 | lostlogic | preglow: I know beeps play over music, but do they play over music when they are also getting louder, the code tells me no, but I want to hear it from the reporter |
| 14:14:15 | amiconn | Mikachu: -616 bytes for H300 |
| 14:14:18 | Febs | He seems like a smart guy. It's a shame he continues to waste everyone's time by making such an issue out of such an inconsequential point. |
| 14:15:23 | preglow | lostlogic: just tried it by rapidly skipping songs, and to me, it sounds like the exact same segment is being played over and over again, but with a louder beep each time |
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| 14:15:53 | preglow | where the segment is a tiny snip of the song i was in when i started skipping |
| 14:16:03 | [IDC]Dragon | hello world! |
| 14:16:11 | preglow | hello germany! |
| 14:16:13 | lostlogic | preglow: perfect, that's what I would have expected, fixoring. |
| 14:16:53 | [IDC]Dragon | any gcc homebrewer around? |
| 14:17:00 | preglow | i wish |
| 14:17:10 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm trying to patch gcc with cred |
| 14:17:14 | linuxstb | Febs: I can sympathise in a way - he likes Rockbox and wants to help make it better. But I also firmly agree with the "no anonymous contributions" stance. |
| 14:17:16 | [IDC]Dragon | under cygwin |
| 14:17:40 | * | [IDC]Dragon smells flamewar ashes |
| 14:17:46 | preglow | linuxstb: i sympathise just fine with him, but he's acting like a moron |
| 14:17:52 | preglow | linuxstb: and that i can't sympathise with |
| 14:18:00 | * | B4gder accidentally pastes a link... http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0512.1/0498.html |
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| 14:18:40 | petur | haha |
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| 14:18:55 | B4gder | fascists everywhere! |
| 14:19:00 | preglow | arghh!!! more snow!!! |
| 14:19:14 | LinusN | lostlogic,preglow: the beep is probably mixed into the same pcm chunk each time, where the previous beep is already mixed |
| 14:19:23 | preglow | LinusN: yes, absolutely |
| 14:19:51 | XavierGr | woops |
| 14:20:04 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree - I'm not excusing that. |
| 14:20:24 | XavierGr | I wanted to attach a vmware image in the wiki. But now I see that it is too big. Better remove it. :p |
| 14:20:31 | preglow | ahahahah |
| 14:20:57 | petur | preglow laughs backwards |
| 14:21:47 | preglow | genetic defect i have |
| 14:22:17 | kclaf | brain lag ;x |
| 14:22:30 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: you've compiled gcc, do you read? |
| 14:22:46 | preglow | i've compiled gcc tons of times too |
| 14:23:18 | LinusN | me too |
| 14:23:19 | preglow | haven't everyone? |
| 14:23:25 | XavierGr | my god! A link on the wiki says that I cannot delete attachments |
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| 14:23:37 | [IDC]Dragon | me not |
| 14:23:52 | [IDC]Dragon | for x86 and cygwin? |
| 14:23:53 | XavierGr | I have once.... |
| 14:24:01 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I think you can just move them to the TrashAttachments page. |
| 14:24:35 | XavierGr | yes that's what is says. |
| 14:24:46 | XavierGr | I assume that we have this topic, right? |
| 14:25:02 | Mikachu | JdGordon: hahaha, "build a freaking bridge and get over it" |
| 14:26:59 | ashridah | XavierGr: overwrite it with a 0 byte file |
| 14:27:02 | Febs | I'm just waiting for Neon John to chime in on the "freedom of speech" issue. After all, he IS a nuclear engineer who once spent time hanging out with lawyers! |
| 14:27:23 | LinusN | lol |
| 14:27:48 | Zoide777 | Does anyone know why Nimbus-14 uses 15 pixel glyphs as opposed to 14 pixel ones? |
| 14:27:54 | Mikachu | if i submit a patch without saying "omg plz credit me ^____^" in the mail, i really don't expect anyone to note my name anywhere |
| 14:28:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't that 14 for the font, and one for the spacing? |
| 14:28:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd could have no idea what he's talking about. That happens often. |
| 14:28:50 | Zagor | maybe it's version 14? :-) |
| 14:29:09 | Mikachu | i must have milli... hundre... tens... a couple of patches in various cvs repos without my name on them |
| 14:29:48 | preglow | Febs: i hope they stop soon, some day in the not too distant future i'll probably be drink and just explode unto the list |
| 14:29:56 | preglow | s/drink/drunk/........ |
| 14:30:05 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: yes, I've compiled gcc, numerous times |
| 14:30:16 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I also found my asm recording loop :) |
| 14:30:36 | petur | preglow: don't, you'll feel twice as bad the morning after (like I did) |
| 14:30:41 | * | Zagor notes Opera has started releasing weekly builds |
| 14:31:04 | preglow | Zagor: cool |
| 14:31:05 | Kohlrabi | right |
| 14:31:07 | preglow | i like opera |
| 14:31:48 | * | petur wishes his fav rockband would release weekly 'builds' |
| 14:31:53 | B4gder | we have "weakly" builds ;-) |
| 14:31:53 | Kohlrabi | *g* |
| 14:31:56 | Kohlrabi | Which is? |
| 14:32:05 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: hi |
| 14:32:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll delay my gcc questions |
| 14:32:29 | XavierGr | zzzz..... |
| 14:32:36 | XavierGr | I must... get... to bed |
| 14:33:02 | [IDC]Dragon | nice you found asm recording |
| 14:33:18 | * | JdGordon agrees with petur |
| 14:33:19 | [IDC]Dragon | my pcm rec plugin is mostly done |
| 14:33:34 | [IDC]Dragon | except that it won't record |
| 14:33:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I get no demand interrupts |
| 14:34:02 | [IDC]Dragon | (haven't looked into details) |
| 14:34:04 | XavierGr | just in case I have pointed B4gder the image location to uploaded to his site. If anyone is intereseted to use the image, please remember to login with: login: root pass: rockbox or login: user pass: rockbox |
| 14:34:33 | XavierGr | al that after 3 hours when the upload will finish |
| 14:34:37 | Mikachu | B4gder: pun of the weak |
| 14:34:59 | B4gder | :-P |
| 14:35:06 | XavierGr | good noun everyone |
| 14:35:16 | XavierGr | I am of to my sweet bed. |
| 14:36:16 | Zoide777 | Paul_The_Nerd: It seems that the spacing issue is inconsistent. For example nedore-9 uses 10 pixels, but rockfont-8 uses 8 |
| 14:37:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zoide777: Assuming that's what it is. As I said, I don't really know |
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| 14:37:46 | LinusN | the whole font situation in rockbox is quite sad at the moment, imho |
| 14:38:05 | Mikachu | you could import pango and use arial unicode ms, that would probably only need about 50MB ram |
| 14:38:16 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:38:47 | Zoide777 | yeah... also, i just noticed that the fonts i was referring to are from (http://www.rockbox.org/fonts/), and the link to it on the DocsIndex page says that it's "old, deprecated" |
| 14:39:22 | Zoide777 | so maybe the ones in cvs don't have the extra pixel? |
| 14:39:28 | LinusN | no |
| 14:39:35 | LinusN | they are the same |
| 14:40:09 | LinusN | the fonts on that page are valid, but you don't need to download them, since they are all included in the zip packages |
| 14:40:29 | LinusN | that's what "old, deprecated" means |
| 14:40:55 | LinusN | i should rephrase that |
| 14:41:06 | Bg3r | B4gder is the <header> part in the lang files implemented ? |
| 14:41:10 | B4gder | no |
| 14:41:32 | B4gder | that's left for post-3.0 |
| 14:41:38 | Bg3r | k |
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| 14:42:53 | Massa | lostlogic, are you here? |
| 14:42:55 | LinusN | i think the playback beep should be transformed into a more generic keyboard beep |
| 14:43:20 | Massa | Ahh you're alread talking about that theme :) |
| 14:43:52 | Zoide777 | LinusN: that's good to know, thanks |
| 14:44:05 | Zoide777 | wow... Doom looks pretty good on the H120 sim |
| 14:44:33 | Zoide777 | does it look worse on the actual player than on the sim, or do they look about the same? |
| 14:44:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, remember the H120's LCD is kinda slow |
| 14:45:01 | LinusN | it's a bit dark on the target, iirc |
| 14:45:22 | ashridah | a *bit* ? |
| 14:45:30 | ashridah | the only thing visible is the status bar |
| 14:45:42 | preglow | gamma fixes that |
| 14:45:45 | preglow | it's quite playable then |
| 14:45:48 | Zoide777 | Paul_The_Nerd: i assume the sim doesn't simulate any lcd slowness right? |
| 14:45:54 | LinusN | nope |
| 14:45:55 | ashridah | preglow: except you can't FIND gamma becuase the menus are practically invisible |
| 14:46:06 | preglow | ashridah: yeah, default should be fixed |
| 14:46:16 | lostlogic | Massa: vaguely |
| 14:46:43 | * | lostlogic makes the beep code more readable while he's at it |
| 14:47:29 | Massa | lostlogic: I just saw your comment at the bug report and thought I have a look here :-) |
| 14:47:50 | Massa | were you able to reproduce it? |
| 14:48:17 | lostlogic | Massa: I haven't bothered, but preglow told me how it sounds, and I'm fixing it. |
| 14:48:38 | Massa | Fine - so you already found what causes that bug? |
| 14:49:06 | ashridah | gamma doesn't make that much difference |
| 14:49:37 | ashridah | meanwhile, when are we goign to get the option of using replacement .ogg files for the midi music? :) |
| 14:49:54 | lostlogic | Massa: yeah, like Linus said before you joined, it keeps beeping over the same area of the buffer without clearing it. |
| 14:50:10 | * | ashridah has ogg versions of the original midi music using real equipment samples |
| 14:50:19 | lostlogic | LinusN: what do you mean a more generic keyboard beep? The pcmbuf_beep function is already generic and can be used by anyone... |
| 14:50:55 | ashridah | ah well. sleep |
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| 14:51:14 | LinusN | good then, i mean it should be called by the button driver, and be controlled with a "button beep" setting |
| 14:51:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Imho the beep should not be called by the button driver, but rather by the app code that wants to beep |
| 14:52:17 | lostlogic | LinusN: not until I (or someone) figures a way to get more reliable mix behavior (ie fixes voice better on swcodec) |
| 14:52:20 | amiconn | Calling it from the button driver will cause the beep to be asynchronous to the action |
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| 14:52:49 | amiconn | Same goes for the piezo driver on iPod |
| 14:53:06 | LinusN | amiconn: true, but then it might be harder to apply the beep to all actions |
| 14:53:51 | preglow | LinusN: which is exactly what i'm struggling against with my piezo tick patch... |
| 14:54:10 | preglow | i don't want to make a ton of work out of it |
| 14:54:37 | LinusN | and increase the code size :-) |
| 14:54:45 | solexx | Rockbox behaves very strange atm on my iriver |
| 14:54:53 | solexx | h120 |
| 14:55:02 | solexx | I am trying to play http://media.ccc.de/filez/chaosradio/cr111/chaosradio_111.ogg |
| 14:55:17 | solexx | 49kbps ogg, ~3 hours long |
| 14:55:56 | amiconn | LinusN: The question is whether we *want* beeps on all actions. I don't think so |
| 14:56:12 | solexx | at 2:11:11 Rockbox starts to spin the disk like crazy and doesn't play anymore |
| 14:56:15 | amiconn | Imagine the beepding orgy in doom or rockboy... |
| 14:56:20 | preglow | hahahah |
| 14:56:27 | LinusN | lol |
| 14:57:17 | solexx | I am using the latest CVS build |
| 14:57:17 | Mikachu | it would go well with the too-high-pitched sounds |
| 14:57:58 | JdGordon | has any1 done a manual page for the text editor? i guess if its in 3.0 it needs one... |
| 14:58:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I know the graphics have to be shrunk to fit on the Nano's screen, but was it really necessary to scale the sounds to fit? ;-) |
| 14:58:51 | linuxstb | B4gder: You beat me to it. Adding ranlib to the Makefile fixes the ucl problem on Darwin for me. |
| 14:59:01 | B4gder | goodie |
| 14:59:32 | B4gder | friendly error message he got at least ;-) |
| 15:00 |
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| 15:00:29 | * | JdGordon hates writing user documentation :'( |
| 15:02:12 | JdGordon | would chaning the file browser to use a default viewer be considered a bugfix and so valid for addition during the freeze? |
| 15:02:41 | amiconn | The text viewer is in urgent need of cleanup |
| 15:02:50 | amiconn | The current menu is confusing... |
| 15:03:43 | JdGordon | how is it confusing? |
| 15:03:58 | JdGordon | it should have all the options that are settable by the keys there tho.. |
| 15:05:05 | Mikachu | it's confusing that it has two different menus too |
| 15:05:08 | JdGordon | yuk.. i hate tex sooo much |
| 15:05:17 | JdGordon | Mikachu: it does? |
| 15:05:27 | Mikachu | yeah, one on menu and one on select+menu |
| 15:05:44 | preglow | amiconn, linuxstb: think i've fixed the memset to be compliant now |
| 15:07:21 | preglow | wooops |
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| 15:07:25 | preglow | data abort :/ |
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| 15:08:31 | lostlogic | I think that many beeps (ie skipping ~20 tracks rapidly without letting playback start on any of them) effs up the pcm driver and causes death, perhaps in the same way that voice sometimes messes it up. |
| 15:08:38 | linuxstb | Bagder: Your ServerAliveInterval=60 suggestion seems to have solved my ssh problem. |
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| 15:12:52 | JdGordon | any1 here work on the manual? |
| 15:15:03 | Zoide777 | btw, the 4g grayscale manual has entries for the Fire and Plasma plugins, which don't work & are not included on the actual target |
| 15:15:26 | linuxstb | solexx: Could you post a bug report to the bug tracker (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/) ? Sounds like bug we should fix.... |
| 15:16:00 | amiconn | lostlogic: Voice sometimes causes weird noises... |
| 15:16:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:17:34 | lostlogic | amiconn: new problem or old problem beign mentioned? |
| 15:18:14 | amiconn | Seems to be new |
| 15:18:15 | solexx | linuxstb: will do |
| 15:18:28 | amiconn | Maybe this is where it locked up before? |
| 15:19:20 | lostlogic | amiconn: either is possible, I'll play with it... |
| 15:19:26 | JdGordon | Bg3r: u around? |
| 15:20:49 | Bg3r | JdGordon yep |
| 15:21:07 | JdGordon | is the text editor not being compiled for the recorder? |
| 15:21:16 | Bg3r | hm |
| 15:21:18 | Bg3r | it should be |
| 15:21:39 | amiconn | it is |
| 15:21:40 | JdGordon | doesnt matter.. im just doing the manual entry for it and spotted its keys being missing... |
| 15:21:52 | Bg3r | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP /* Not for the Player */ |
| 15:21:52 | Bg3r | text_editor.c |
| 15:22:35 | Kyomi|off | Hey... whats wrong with Doom in the latest build? |
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| 15:22:54 | Kyomi | It keeps telling me I have no base wads no matter where I put them |
| 15:23:13 | Kyomi | I have like 2000 game wads + DOOM2.WAD + prboom.wad |
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| 15:23:35 | Bg3r | any objections to s/LANG_CODEPAGE_RUSSIAN/LANG_CODEPAGE_CYRILLIC |
| 15:23:46 | Bg3r | Kyomi you need a rockdoom.wad, not prboom.wad |
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| 15:23:54 | Kyomi | When did they change that? |
| 15:23:55 | Bg3r | get it from the plugin's wiki page |
| 15:24:05 | Bg3r | recently |
| 15:24:08 | Kyomi | Where is that at? |
| 15:24:16 | Kyomi | I mean.. shouldn't it include rockdoom.wad? |
| 15:24:25 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
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| 15:24:34 | preglow | argfh23%# |
| 15:26:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Only a fractional argh? |
| 15:26:51 | JdGordon | any1 know how to show long press button in the manul (as in.. the tex) ? |
| 15:27:23 | Kyomi | Dont tell me the keys actually make sense in Doom now... |
| 15:27:29 | RedBreva | Normally Hold \ButtonMenu |
| 15:27:36 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:27:37 | Kyomi | up was weapon change... down was down/open |
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| 15:28:36 | Kyomi | So I can safely delete prboom? |
| 15:28:46 | Kyomi | Just put rockdoom.wad in the same place? |
| 15:29:30 | Bg3r | yep |
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| 15:30:25 | Zoide777 | Is the 5g sim supposed to work? I just get a black screen after the splash screen |
| 15:32:44 | JdGordon | should the text editor manual entry be under applicatinos or viewers? |
| 15:33:23 | lostlogic | USB from WPS while disk spinning just gave me the finger. |
| 15:33:24 | preglow | ok, now i've bloody spent my daily foolish mistakes quota |
| 15:33:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I feel that if it can be opened independently it should be in the Applications section. |
| 15:34:24 | RedBreva | I would concur with what he said.... |
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| 15:35:23 | webguest74 | how do i get tagcahce to work h140, thee is no info in the manual ? |
| 15:35:43 | JdGordon | right.. i hope whoever maintains the manual checks flyspray :p |
| 15:36:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest74: BUT, instructions are on the TagCache wiki page |
| 15:36:30 | Massa | So the plugins should then be able to switch the beeping on and off? Or they should implement their own beepding if they need to have it? |
| 15:36:53 | webguest74 | I have EVEN searched for it, no joy, your search engine is borked then :) |
| 15:37:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest74: Funny, when i type TagCache in the box on the left at the front page, the FIRST link is the right one... |
| 15:37:54 | webguest74 | well I typed in search from within the h140 manual and zippo nada |
| 15:38:19 | lostlogic | gah, why does voice with playback idle stop working after using voice with playback!? |
| 15:38:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | You were looking in the manual. |
| 15:38:29 | webguest74 | so |
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| 15:38:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if you're using Acrobat Reader's search on a single PDF, how do you expect that to search the site? |
| 15:39:02 | webguest74 | it's logical to search from within the manual, or is that illogical |
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| 15:39:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's logical to search the manual from within the manual, yes. |
| 15:39:20 | linuxstb_ | The manual is still a draft, and tagcache is a very new feature. |
| 15:39:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's illogical to assume that searching the manual will find you anything else in the wiki |
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| 15:39:50 | webguest74 | NOTE: This Wiki topic does not exist |
| 15:39:59 | webguest74 | search for tagcahce ^ |
| 15:40:07 | webguest74 | tagcache |
| 15:40:21 | petur | use the box on the left |
| 15:40:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, wiki is case sensitive |
| 15:40:44 | linuxstb | webguest74: That box is a "go to" box. You need to type the exact name of the wiki page - in this case TagCache. |
| 15:40:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | The *search* box for the site is on the front page |
| 15:41:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd notes that he even explicitly said what to type, and to type it on the box on the front page. |
| 15:42:00 | webguest74 | very illogical and unintuitive |
| 15:42:18 | RedBreva | bluebrother^: Hi... Two to look at on Flyspray http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5038 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5040 when you have some sparetime ;-) |
| 15:42:28 | linuxstb | webguest74: When you type "tagcache" into the "go to page" box, what does that page tell you? |
| 15:42:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest74: How is a box with a button labelled "Search" illogical? |
| 15:43:02 | webguest74 | I'm there thanks, oh dear me, started something have I |
| 15:43:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you're calling the site illogical and unintuitive yet offer neither suggestions as to what in your mind is more intuitive, nor information as to why you think the existing thing isn't. |
| 15:44:08 | webguest74 | paul, chill fella |
| 15:44:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just saying, how 'bout some *constructive* criticism? |
| 15:44:48 | webguest74 | two search boxes, how is one supposed to kinow which is the preferred one, ? |
| 15:45:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, one is labelled search |
| 15:45:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other is labelled "Go to page" |
| 15:45:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that should one be literate, one can figure out which does what. |
| 15:45:50 | webguest74 | Paul, If I throw a stick, will you leave ? |
| 15:46:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | You asked a question, and I answered it, no? |
| 15:46:36 | webguest74 | lol, have a nice day, you'all |
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| 15:47:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, so maybe I was a little short with him... |
| 15:47:14 | linuxstb | But he also can't read... |
| 15:47:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do feel that literacy is a virtue, yes. |
| 15:47:21 | linuxstb | (or she...) |
| 15:47:56 | preglow | hahahah |
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| 15:48:58 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: You should have the "how to ask questions" link permanently in your clipboard... |
| 15:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have it at the top of my list of bookmarks, for easing clipboarding. |
| 15:50:03 | * | preglow has another broken memset on his hands |
| 15:50:20 | linuxstb | Congratulations. A nice collection you're building... |
| 15:51:57 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: thanks, already noticed them |
| 15:52:33 | bluebrother^ | I was thinking about replacing the front page copyright notice |
| 15:53:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Who manages flyspray? 'tis Zagor, yes? |
| 15:53:19 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:53:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zagor: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3348.msg24140;topicseen#msg24140 |
| 15:53:27 | bluebrother^ | replace the names with "the rockbox project" and move the names to a "about this manual" page −− either right before the first chapter or at the appendix. |
| 15:53:56 | Zagor | eh? not much info there. |
| 15:54:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zagor: Yeah, but I don't know what to ask about this one, or anything. |
| 15:54:42 | Zagor | it's ok, thanks for the report. |
| 15:54:51 | Zagor | found a discussion about it on the flyspray dev list |
| 15:54:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 15:54:57 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you make the genlang update mode output the updated dest.lang in english.lang order? |
| 15:55:12 | preglow | that'd be great, yeah |
| 15:55:25 | RedBreva | Bluebrother^: What's your opinion on the seperate Debug menu page? (FS #5014) |
| 15:55:47 | preglow | do we need a section on the debug menu? |
| 15:55:56 | bluebrother^ | I wouldn't write one. |
| 15:55:59 | preglow | me neither |
| 15:56:04 | preglow | and if you do, put it in the appendix |
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| 15:56:22 | bluebrother^ | We're on an end user manual, so for everything else I'd like to point to the wiki. |
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| 15:56:29 | amiconn | I guess it requires to switch read order. First read old_dest.lang, then read english.lang and check. That's what I did in my local 'fixlang' for my lang rework |
| 15:56:29 | preglow | yep |
| 15:56:30 | preglow | agreed |
| 15:56:43 | RedBreva | Fairy Nuff.. |
| 15:56:44 | preglow | amiconn: the comments you did also seem to be stripped now :/ |
| 15:56:44 | * | Paul_The_Nerd just notices he broke 1k posts, 2 posts ago. |
| 15:57:17 | amiconn | preglow: Old uplang used to strip ### comments only, and kep all others |
| 15:57:21 | amiconn | *kept |
| 15:57:27 | bluebrother^ | If we have some time left at the end (which I don't think) we could think about more advanced topics like the debug menu |
| 15:57:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think anyone who'd be using the debug section of Rockbox probably should either know how to use the wiki, or take that as a good time to start learning. |
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| 15:58:17 | Zagor | Paul_The_Nerd: apparently mcafee doesn't like the mouse hover javascript. silly software. http://flyspray.rocks.cc/bts/task/704 |
| 15:59:21 | webguest68 | with ID3 db, tagcache, if one selects search by year with no value inout the creen goes blank, and a restart is required to get info back |
| 15:59:48 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: yesterday I tried setting all paragraph indents to zero and increasing the spacing between paragraphs a bit. |
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| 16:00:09 | bluebrother^ | I think this looks better bescause we have some really short paragraphs. |
| 16:00:16 | bluebrother^ | what do you think? |
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| 16:00:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zagor: I love "overprotective" virus scanners. |
| 16:00:48 | RedBreva | I would agree, I have been temped a couple of times to insert extra \\'s to seperate paragraphs! |
| 16:00:50 | Zagor | yeah... |
| 16:01:09 | bluebrother^ | no, don't hardcode extra paragraphs ... please ;-) |
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| 16:01:53 | bluebrother^ | if you want to try it: http://pastebin.com/642017 |
| 16:02:12 | preglow | bluebrother^: nooo, paragraph indents are Good |
| 16:02:15 | lostlogic | hmph, nobody's bothered to turn on ab repeat mode for ipod, I should do that so I can fix the ab-repeat mode bug on flyspray... |
| 16:02:16 | bluebrother^ | I think these values look pretty good. |
| 16:02:20 | * | preglow hates parskip :/ |
| 16:02:58 | bluebrother^ | preglow: I agree with this, but only on longer paragraphs. We have a fairly amount of about 3 line paragraphs and it looks pretty silly with them. |
| 16:03:27 | bluebrother^ | otoh we could rewrite those short paragraphs and make them a bit longer ;-) |
| 16:03:31 | preglow | why so short paragraphs? |
| 16:03:37 | * | t0mas stares at his console in amazement... |
| 16:03:53 | bluebrother^ | think of like the stats plugin. No long description is needed. |
| 16:03:55 | preglow | if you're using a bunch of short paragraphs, it probably doesn't read very well anyway |
| 16:04:00 | preglow | true enough |
| 16:04:01 | t0mas | C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop>uptime |
| 16:04:01 | t0mas | \\W2KASDC has been up for: 105 day(s), 15 hour(s), 51 minute(s), 5 second(s) |
| 16:04:04 | t0mas | that just can't be true :P |
| 16:04:15 | bluebrother^ | some paragraphs also seem to be broken up too much to me. |
| 16:04:16 | * | Zagor made his second ever post on the forum. |
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| 16:05:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Do you know why the "Convert from HFS+ to FAT32" part of the OSX install page says (Optional) by chance? |
| 16:05:54 | | Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:06:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox does still require Fat32 right? |
| 16:06:54 | Zagor | or fat16 |
| 16:06:57 | Zagor | ...on ondio |
| 16:07:12 | amiconn | t0mas: Why can't this be true? |
| 16:07:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, either way, not HFS+ |
| 16:07:25 | Zagor | mp |
| 16:07:26 | Zagor | no |
| 16:07:34 | t0mas | amiconn: it's windows ;) |
| 16:07:49 | amiconn | Yeah, and? |
| 16:08:01 | petur | t0mas: at my previous job we had an uptime contest, and the W2K boxes always won (linux came second) |
| 16:08:14 | preglow | windows _does_ tend to get a bit flakey after its fiftieth day |
| 16:08:15 | preglow | even win2k |
| 16:08:16 | bluebrother^ | windows has a uptime function? Or is this only true for windows server? |
| 16:08:21 | amiconn | A properly configured windows isn't less stable than a properly configured linux |
| 16:08:23 | t0mas | windows server |
| 16:08:27 | t0mas | it's in the resource kit bluebrother^ |
| 16:08:38 | bluebrother^ | ah ok. |
| 16:08:44 | amiconn | The main uptime killer for windows is security updates |
| 16:08:45 | t0mas | petur: here it doesn't... |
| 16:08:46 | t0mas | [root@bruce root]# uptime |
| 16:08:46 | t0mas | 16:07:38 up 472 days, 6:02, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 |
| 16:09:10 | t0mas | amiconn: windows has some more memory leaks... at least when running IIS |
| 16:09:22 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, that's misleading - it should say something like (Mac format iPods only). |
| 16:09:23 | * | bluebrother^ likes linux better −− all nice tools already shipped :) |
| 16:09:25 | amiconn | Well, then just restart iis |
| 16:09:32 | t0mas | that didn't work |
| 16:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Edited then. :) |
| 16:09:49 | t0mas | we have a box at work that just has to reboot every 3 to 4 weeks |
| 16:09:55 | Zagor | t0mas: I wouldn't brag about running a 472 day old kernel, personally... :-) |
| 16:10:08 | amiconn | Btw, I know that IIS5 (Win2K) has memory leaks. Couldn't find any with IIS6 (Win2K3) |
| 16:10:24 | t0mas | Zagor: it's a router... kernel 2.4 with some iptables modules... and nothing else |
| 16:10:35 | * | petur never used IIS |
| 16:10:38 | t0mas | amiconn: NT 4 had even more... |
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| 16:14:53 | Massa | LinusN: I just saw that you created a new patch for the peakmeter margins and height. |
| 16:15:22 | Massa | LinusN: First I want to say thanks for that :) |
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| 16:16:43 | Massa | LinusN: was it your intention to rechange the usage of display->height and display->width to LCD_HEIGHT and LCD_WIDTH again? |
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| 16:18:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | wma2wav plugin (that works in the sim)! |
| 16:18:30 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes he would just post the patch. |
| 16:19:23 | LinusN | Massa: where? |
| 16:20:28 | Massa | For my peakmeter margins and height patch (#4871) - in gwps-common.c |
| 16:20:29 | LinusN | ah i see |
| 16:20:59 | Massa | I assume, display is no longer available? |
| 16:21:21 | Massa | So wouldn't gwps->display->height and gwps->display-width the correct choice? |
| 16:21:50 | Massa | "wouldn't ... be..." ;) |
| 16:21:51 | preglow | haven't we got any voice files that work at all now? |
| 16:23:59 | preglow | lostlogic: feature freeze? :P |
| 16:24:34 | lostlogic | preglow: it's a wps tag, bite me. ::shifty eyes:: (I thought of that _after_ I'd marked the task closed, so hit enter on the commit any way) |
| 16:25:07 | * | Bg3r just did a useless commit :) |
| 16:25:49 | lostlogic | mang, there is something squirlier than ever with USB mode triggering... |
| 16:25:58 | lostlogic | and I blame some *cough* new thread *cough* |
| 16:26:07 | * | mindmedic is still impressed |
| 16:26:08 | Massa | LinusN: well, progressbar also uses LCD_WIDTH????? |
| 16:26:59 | LinusN | yes, i saw that the bitmap loading code uses it |
| 16:27:30 | RedBreva | bluebrother^: Is there a way to include a \btnmap table within a {description} block? or would you need to \end the description and \begin it again after the table? |
| 16:27:33 | Massa | You mean the backdrop image? |
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| 16:28:26 | LinusN | the progressbar and the backdrop images |
| 16:28:37 | Massa | LinusN: I think for the backdrop it's O.K. - backdrop are currently only allowed on the main screen... |
| 16:28:53 | Massa | LinusN: but the progressbar should also be possible for remote screens? |
| 16:29:00 | LinusN | yes |
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| 16:29:51 | Massa | Even the bitmapped version? |
| 16:29:57 | LinusN | yes |
| 16:30:40 | Massa | Then it should use gwps->display->width instead of LCD_WIDTH. Or am I wrong? |
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| 16:31:00 | LinusN | Massa: yes |
| 16:31:55 | * | Bg3r falls in love with the green build table ... |
| 16:32:41 | Massa | LinusN: so anther bugfix commit is necessary (for the progressbar) :-) - and I will produce another patch for the peakmeter margins and height... |
| 16:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The green is so much brighter on this monitor than it was on my laptop |
| 16:33:12 | LinusN | Massa: i'm fixing the progressbar/backdrop now |
| 16:33:25 | Massa | O.K. |
| 16:33:47 | preglow | linuxstb: now this is weird, i've fixed memset to do as it should, but doom still hangs |
| 16:33:50 | Bg3r | LinusN so, to expect yellow/red again ? ;) |
| 16:33:59 | preglow | btw, is it ok for us to call the plugin doom? |
| 16:34:00 | Bg3r | until the "Oops" commit:P |
| 16:34:01 | preglow | isn't that trademarked? |
| 16:34:21 | linuxstb | The source is GPL'd... |
| 16:34:32 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 16:34:36 | preglow | that doesn't invalidate the trademark |
| 16:35:28 | petur | let's ask gl :P |
| 16:35:48 | Massa | ROFL :D |
| 16:36:57 | petur | hey, the buildserver number is counting down |
| 16:37:29 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: btnmap has to be in a float environment. Haven't tried but iirc this doesn't work inside of a description |
| 16:37:36 | linuxstb | IANAL, but isn't trademark infringement about representing Product B as if it was Product A ? In this case, we are actually distributing the real Doom, so we are not infringing the trademark, just using it. |
| 16:37:49 | preglow | yeah, that might be the case |
| 16:38:03 | Zagor | linuxstb: i was just thinking the same thing |
| 16:38:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm pretty sure that's it |
| 16:38:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Considering how trademarks *used* to be regional |
| 16:38:19 | RedBreva | That's what I found last night... So removed the table and just centered the text as a work asound! |
| 16:38:27 | RedBreva | asound=around! |
| 16:38:44 | LinusN | Massa: uuuh, fixing that wasn't as easy as i hoped... the display data isn't available to that function |
| 16:39:46 | LinusN | gotta go |
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| 16:39:57 | preglow | 44: e1a0c000 mov ip, r0 |
| 16:39:57 | preglow | 48: e1a0000c mov r0, ip |
| 16:40:02 | preglow | i'm like... what... |
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| 16:40:35 | bluebrother^ | you could try using a minipage. |
| 16:40:56 | linuxstb | preglow: I take it that's gcc playing games again? |
| 16:41:02 | preglow | linuxstb: that's like saying r0 = r0, isn't it? |
| 16:41:10 | preglow | how the flaming hELL can this happen at -O2 ? |
| 16:41:54 | bluebrother^ | I added minipages to the archos devices table recently. |
| 16:42:06 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, according to amiconns test_mem, my memset now works just fine, yet doom still crashes when i remove the #if1 |
| 16:42:20 | linuxstb | How does it crash? |
| 16:43:17 | linuxstb | Does amiconn's test_mem check for a correct return value? |
| 16:43:23 | preglow | linuxstb: dunno... |
| 16:43:31 | amiconn | No it doesn't |
| 16:43:38 | amiconn | That could be added though |
| 16:43:39 | preglow | but it should be correct... |
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| 16:50:23 | preglow | amiconn: i think commiting all the test_* plugins we can is a good idea |
| 16:50:34 | preglow | just disabled by default |
| 16:51:14 | Bg3r | preglow what about a different place in cvs for all that test stuff ? |
| 16:51:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders who keeps telling people to put the doom wads in /.rockbox/doom |
| 16:53:29 | petur | typing DOOM in the searchbox gives the closed patch as first hit, and that one mentions this... |
| 16:53:35 | * | amiconn wonders why /.rockbox/doom is not the path to put wad files |
| 16:54:33 | petur | we should also remove this one: http://www.rockbox.org/doom/ |
| 16:54:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yeah, it does seem like it should be there. |
| 16:54:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Were those screenshots just done with the jpeg viewer and grayscale lib, or something like it? |
| 16:55:11 | amiconn | Either that, or doom should allow to select the path where to look for wad files, and store that info in a config file |
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| 16:56:51 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: This april fools joke is from before the grayscale lib was written |
| 16:57:20 | amiconn | Today it could even become reality, on 8MB modded archoses. Probably slow as hell though |
| 16:58:40 | amiconn | Bg3r: You should not have changed the source: strings in the non-english .lang files |
| 16:59:02 | amiconn | Then genlang -u would have spotted the change for the translator. Now it doesn't |
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| 17:00:51 | Bg3r | amiconn :( uf |
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| 17:03:30 | muesli__ | just insert the charger while playinga song. the screen went off and didnt wont on on key press. though the remote was working normal :o |
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| 17:08:08 | preglow | linuxstb: as far as i can see, the return value works too :/ |
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| 17:10:11 | linuxstb | No idea then.... How exactly does Doom crash? |
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| 17:12:39 | preglow | it doesn't seem to crash anymore... |
| 17:12:48 | preglow | why, oh why, do i get so many bugs like this |
| 17:13:16 | preglow | also, sounds seems to be pitched up like hell... |
| 17:13:18 | petur | either you attract them or you write them :) |
| 17:13:21 | preglow | but i guess someone's noticed that |
| 17:13:30 | Bg3r | :) |
| 17:13:42 | Bg3r | amiconn should i revert them ? |
| 17:14:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Sound was pitched up since it was enabled, I think. :) |
| 17:14:40 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I think the sound is 22.050KHz. But I haven't looked at it properly. I don't even know if plugin audio goes via the dsp - but I'm assuming it doesn't given this problem. |
| 17:14:53 | Bg3r | bbl |
| 17:14:58 | preglow | linuxstb: can it go via dsp? |
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| 17:15:07 | linuxstb | I've no idea... |
| 17:15:12 | preglow | anyone with an ipod care to test a memset patch for me, then? |
| 17:15:21 | linuxstb | Just checked the source, it's 11.025KHz audio. |
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| 17:16:10 | linuxstb | But it seems Doom supports 44.1KHz output. I'm just testing... |
| 17:16:40 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/arm_backwards_memset_plus_doom_fix.patch |
| 17:17:04 | linuxstb | I'll give it a go in a minute. |
| 17:17:10 | preglow | goodie |
| 17:17:27 | preglow | linuxstb: would probably be better for us to use 11khz and downsample... |
| 17:18:37 | preglow | then again, maybe not |
| 17:18:48 | preglow | doom's audio processing probably is ultra cheap |
| 17:19:29 | * | [IDC]Dragon wonders how long gcc will compile, it's ongoing since a good hour |
| 17:19:57 | linuxstb | 44.1KHz seems to work very nicely. I couldn't notice any slowdown on my 4g Color. |
| 17:19:59 | petur | in cygwin, it goes on forever |
| 17:20:07 | linuxstb | Now for the memset patch. |
| 17:20:12 | [IDC]Dragon | cygwin, yes |
| 17:20:26 | Mikachu | i wonder if it was doom's setup.exe that asked about #audio channels to use, and you could select 2-8? |
| 17:20:30 | [IDC]Dragon | how long is forever? :-/ |
| 17:20:44 | preglow | all compiles are slow as hell in cygwin |
| 17:20:50 | preglow | all bigger compiles doubly so |
| 17:21:53 | [IDC]Dragon | all awaited compiles triple so |
| 17:22:19 | petur | :) |
| 17:22:50 | petur | any reason you're not using the precompiled ones? |
| 17:23:51 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Which gcc? sh-elf-gcc 3.3.x, on cygwin? |
| 17:24:02 | amiconn | Might take hours... |
| 17:24:28 | [IDC]Dragon | gcc 3.4.4 for x86 on cygwin |
| 17:24:36 | amiconn | oh |
| 17:25:00 | [IDC]Dragon | a ton of warnings is normal? |
| 17:25:01 | amiconn | The reason why gcc 3.3.x for sh takes sol ong is the newlib workaround |
| 17:25:20 | amiconn | Other gcc never took more than 1 hour for me |
| 17:25:26 | amiconn | (on cygwin) |
| 17:25:31 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 17:25:47 | amiconn | Then I never tried to build an x86 gcc |
| 17:25:52 | [IDC]Dragon | so it must be on the finishing line |
| 17:25:55 | amiconn | Btw, why do you do that? |
| 17:26:08 | amiconn | cygwin provides gcc 3.4.4 by default |
| 17:26:13 | [IDC]Dragon | I patched it with cred |
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| 17:26:22 | [IDC]Dragon | a bounds checker |
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| 17:26:54 | preglow | why not use libmudflap? |
| 17:26:58 | preglow | ahh, right, gcc 3.4 |
| 17:27:08 | preglow | 3.x, even |
| 17:27:10 | [IDC]Dragon | use what? |
| 17:27:34 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not especially keen on 3.x |
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| 17:27:57 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/Mudflap%20Pointer%20Debugging |
| 17:28:15 | [IDC]Dragon | just thought it might be a good idea to use the same version my code happily compiled for before |
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| 17:29:06 | [IDC]Dragon | preglow: is that a new 4.x goody? |
| 17:29:14 | [IDC]Dragon | goodie, even |
| 17:29:25 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: available for 4.0 and on, i think |
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| 17:29:58 | preglow | never tried it myself, though, but it might be enabled by default for some binary cygwin gcc |
| 17:30:50 | amiconn | cygwin doesn't provide gcc4 |
| 17:30:59 | ep0ch | preglow: i'll give the patch a go on the 5g, how do i test? just play doom? |
| 17:31:08 | preglow | ep0ch: just play doom, do whatever, etc |
| 17:31:10 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't know which is better. cred is maintained for 4.0.x as well, so there must be a point |
| 17:31:16 | preglow | ep0ch: if all sounds/looks well, and no data aborts, then i'll commit |
| 17:31:50 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: i wouldn't know either, and if gcc4 isn't available for cygwin, you shouldn't abort that compile just yet ;) |
| 17:32:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I can compile gcc4 later, if it ever finishes |
| 17:32:47 | [IDC]Dragon | with cred, too, just in case |
| 17:32:48 | preglow | it probably won't |
| 17:33:05 | preglow | you should consider cross compiling from vmware or something |
| 17:33:08 | preglow | heaps and heaps faster |
| 17:34:57 | [IDC]Dragon | not now |
| 17:35:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I wouldn't know how to tell it to build a cygwin exe |
| 17:36:04 | preglow | ep0ch, linuxstb: any luck? |
| 17:36:08 | amiconn | −−target=i386-pc-cygwin |
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| 17:36:21 | amiconn | (or similar) |
| 17:36:22 | ep0ch | still mounting the ipod :s |
| 17:36:27 | [IDC]Dragon | aha, looks reasonable ;-) |
| 17:37:37 | amiconn | I tried to build a crosscompiler for debian-amd64 on debian−−x86 |
| 17:38:24 | amiconn | Didn't work because of a bug in the crosscompile though. The targets always follow a certain pattern |
| 17:38:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, the memset patch seemed fine on my 4g. |
| 17:39:13 | amiconn | In my case it was −−target=x86_64-elf-unknown-linux-gnu |
| 17:39:14 | preglow | amiconn: is there a way to build a gcc a that will run on the cross compile target too? |
| 17:39:18 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, i'll commit it, then |
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| 17:39:41 | ep0ch | hmm i tried doom before and after the patch, works both times except the top 2/3 of the screen is covered in brown (on both occasions). |
| 17:39:52 | amiconn | That was my first stage to crosscompile a crosscompiler, but I didn't reach the second stage due to the failure in stage 1 |
| 17:40:04 | linuxstb | ep0ch: Yes, I get the same on my 5g. I think kkurbjun has broken it with his recent changes... |
| 17:40:10 | ep0ch | ah ok |
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| 17:40:21 | ep0ch | and the keys are unplayable... |
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| 17:40:28 | amiconn | In theory gcc supports crosscompiling a crosscompiler, as the configure script distinguishes 3 systems: host, target and buid |
| 17:40:57 | amiconn | *build |
| 17:41:02 | [IDC]Dragon | tricky, I never thought about that |
| 17:41:45 | amiconn | Well, that was a desperate attempt to get a working m68k crosscompiler for amd64, b/c building it on debian-amd64 fails |
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| 17:42:37 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps it matters which compiler you use, too |
| 17:43:24 | [IDC]Dragon | an interesting bootstrap |
| 17:44:35 | amiconn | preglow: In theory it should even be possible to build a gcc where target == build != host |
| 17:44:56 | preglow | haha |
| 17:45:40 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: shouldn't matter which compiler you use as long as it's standards compliant, gcc is build over and over again in many stages |
| 17:45:48 | preglow | it builds itself at several points |
| 17:45:49 | [IDC]Dragon | so, compile it on the SH! |
| 17:46:15 | [IDC]Dragon | gcc.rock |
| 17:46:27 | preglow | haahahah |
| 17:46:52 | preglow | so you can keep the cvs tree on target and recompile on the fly! |
| 17:47:07 | preglow | better prepare for heavy virtual memory use |
| 17:47:29 | [IDC]Dragon | do we have emacs.rock? |
| 17:47:57 | preglow | the day we do, i'm leaving this joint |
| 17:48:05 | preglow | yelling "good riddance" |
| 17:48:22 | [IDC]Dragon | now we know how to scare you off! |
| 17:48:44 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: emacs.rock requires the 8MB mod... |
| 17:48:50 | [IDC]Dragon | np |
| 17:49:00 | preglow | amiconn: it requires the 256mb mod |
| 17:49:08 | preglow | and probably will do a bit of disk thrashing then as well |
| 17:49:12 | amiconn | "eight megabytes and constantly swapping" |
| 17:49:53 | preglow | shop time! |
| 17:50:29 | preglow | amiconn: did you see the lovely code gcc spat out for arm an hour or so ago, btw? |
| 17:50:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:50:39 | amiconn | lovely |
| 17:50:51 | preglow | i wonder how it manages it |
| 17:51:02 | amiconn | gcc never stops to surprise us |
| 17:51:19 | preglow | and this was with gcc 4.1 |
| 17:51:27 | preglow | i hope it'll start surprising me in a positive way soon |
| 17:51:30 | preglow | that'd be the day |
| 17:51:43 | preglow | i'm _almost_ tempted to learn gcc internals so i can fix the thing |
| 17:51:52 | preglow | but yeah, bbl |
| 17:52:50 | lostlogic | ep0ch: one of my favorite swcodec bug finders! lemme know what you notice that's changed or broken in seek/skip/general playback behavior between yesterday and today |
| 17:53:20 | ep0ch | yeah i did try FF in vorbis, it froze my 5g |
| 17:54:06 | ep0ch | bog standard playing and skipping seemed fine though |
| 17:54:20 | ep0ch | a few sound glitches when skipping though |
| 17:54:37 | lostlogic | ep0ch: yeah, I noticed those, trying to figure out where they are coming from. |
| 17:54:42 | lostlogic | but the freeze on seek I haven't seen. |
| 17:55:29 | ep0ch | well, i only did it the once and got scared :) |
| 17:55:30 | lostlogic | ok, now I've seen it... seek when disking => soft freeze... is that what yo ugot? |
| 17:55:55 | ep0ch | ahh possibly, let me try some more |
| 17:56:29 | lostlogic | well my hack apparently is not only a hack, but a broken one... I at least loosely know why that happens. |
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| 17:57:57 | ep0ch | just played a tune, i let it buffer and spindown the disk, i FFed 10 seconds and now its hung, i'll try something other than vorbis |
| 17:58:32 | lostlogic | amiconn: does the call to audio_resume() at line 2403 of gwps-common.c make sense on hwcodec? (it sho doesn't on swcodec) |
| 17:58:52 | lostlogic | ep0ch: damn, I don't get that, but when I seeked during buffer fill, I did get a freeze, both on vorbis... |
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| 18:00:36 | ep0ch | mp3 behavied a little better but now it crashed when i restarted the same track and FFed |
| 18:00:48 | ep0ch | crashed=hung |
| 18:02:20 | amiconn | lostlogic: I'm not sure at all. Playback engines tend to scare me :/ |
| 18:02:25 | Lynx_ | is the power consumption bug/issue fixed? didn't see it on the 3.0 bugs list anymore... |
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| 18:02:44 | amiconn | Maybe I should just try |
| 18:04:04 | lostlogic | ep0ch: alright, I'm pretty sure I know what the cause of this is, I'll let you konw when I have a patch and/or commit a fix... thanks. |
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| 18:04:23 | lostlogic | amiconn: I thought you knew the hwcodec playback engine well? |
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| 18:04:49 | amiconn | I know it way better than the swcodec one, but I wouldn't say I know it well |
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| 18:06:06 | lostlogic | ah, well, it seems to me that that call needs to happen after the seek has been completed, but audio_ff_rewind() is asynchronous and really is very likely to have returned before the seek is complete |
| 18:06:47 | amiconn | I would think that seeking pauses audio, so it needs to be resumed, unless it was paused before |
| 18:07:13 | Mikachu | is there any simple way to benchmark a decoder? |
| 18:07:25 | lostlogic | amiconn: yes, but that resume needs to happen after the seek is complete, not after the seek request is put on the audio queue |
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| 18:07:57 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I was planning to write a null-output timer for the pcmbuffer, but I got distracted... there's a no longer applying patch for null codec timer or some such on the tracker |
| 18:08:02 | amiconn | lostlogic: Yes. That is ensured in the hwcodec engine |
| 18:08:08 | Mikachu | hm, okay |
| 18:08:09 | lostlogic | amiconn: how? |
| 18:08:21 | Mikachu | can't you just put the second thing you want to do in the queue too? |
| 18:08:42 | amiconn | Both audio_ff_rewind() and audio_resume() are asynchronous and just post events to the mpeg thread's queue |
| 18:08:45 | lostlogic | Mikachu: seek is double-async on swcodec, as the codec itself actually does the seeking |
| 18:08:50 | amiconn | This way the events are serialized |
| 18:08:51 | lostlogic | amiconn: ahhhhh |
| 18:08:54 | Mikachu | aoh |
| 18:09:21 | [IDC]Dragon | mg, the compiler finished! |
| 18:09:42 | lostlogic | amiconn: can make less hackish now, thanks for pointing out that obvious fact. |
| 18:10:22 | [IDC]Dragon | and produced a gcc \o/ |
| 18:10:33 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I would like to fix that at some point - separating the container format parsing with the actual decoding. I think this would also make swcodec playback more closely resemble the hwcodec - treating the codecs like the MAS. But that's a long-term plan. |
| 18:10:35 | Mikachu | how large are the chances of the ipod unplug patch getting in (after the freeze)? |
| 18:10:42 | amiconn | But afaics, the audio_resume() *should* not be necessary. There seems to be no code that pauses during seek |
| 18:11:17 | lostlogic | amiconn: the pause is done on the wps thread about 100 lines up |
| 18:11:55 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yeah, I'm not going that aggressive at this point, just trying to make the swcodec sensical and stable. |
| 18:12:27 | amiconn | ah, yes |
| 18:13:01 | amiconn | This event based control is used a lot in the mpeg thread |
| 18:13:35 | amiconn | (which is responsible for both playback and recording on archos, something that needs to be changed for playback engine unification) |
| 18:13:59 | amiconn | We will need a recording thread then (which should also be unified) |
| 18:14:59 | amiconn | I was thinking about really starting & stopping threads as needed, instead of just letting them idle |
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| 18:15:36 | kclaf | i have same problem as ep0ch with vorbis on 5G it hangs when i FF |
| 18:15:45 | amiconn | It's possible with the rockbox kernel, and we could save ram for stacks |
| 18:16:25 | lostlogic | kclaf: yes, it's a bug, I'm working on it. |
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| 18:17:43 | Mikachu | are all stacks in iram or only the core stack? |
| 18:17:49 | Mikachu | +codecs i guess |
| 18:18:39 | kclaf | btw lostlogic it seems playback is "better" now, I can enable EQ and WPS with backdrop and i dont get any skip |
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| 18:18:58 | kclaf | that's great |
| 18:19:33 | lostlogic | kclaf: great to hear, I expected some performance improvement, but I wasn't sure how much. |
| 18:20:30 | lostlogic | gah, this is going to be another shitty hack for now I think :( |
| 18:22:30 | Mikachu | what do the numbers with progressbars attached in 'View audio thread' mean? |
| 18:22:34 | Mikachu | pcm: and codec: |
| 18:22:53 | lostlogic | bytes |
| 18:22:57 | lostlogic | buffered and total |
| 18:23:05 | lostlogic | er used and total |
| 18:23:44 | Mikachu | okay, and the total of the totals is the same as Buffer: in Rockbox Info? |
| 18:24:03 | lostlogic | Mikachu: should be... unless you have a voice file... I think |
| 18:24:07 | Mikachu | okay |
| 18:24:20 | Mikachu | can i affect the split of that buffer somehow? |
| 18:24:30 | Mikachu | it would make more sense to have a big pcm buffer on the nano and smaller codec buffer |
| 18:24:40 | lostlogic | Mikachu: no, it wouldn't. |
| 18:24:44 | Mikachu | it wouldn't? |
| 18:24:53 | Mikachu | i thought it didn't matter so much when you read from flash |
| 18:25:03 | lostlogic | why would it make sense to have less total audio in ram? |
| 18:25:43 | Mikachu | it can refill the codec buffer by just reading from flash, but pcm buffer needs lots of cpu to refill |
| 18:25:53 | Mikachu | so if i had lots of cpu buffer, i could do more things before audio started skipping |
| 18:26:03 | Mikachu | pcm buffer, not cpu buffer |
| 18:26:26 | Mikachu | also, i have formulated myself as if i was sure of this for some reason |
| 18:26:32 | Mikachu | i didn't mean to |
| 18:27:00 | lostlogic | no no, no problem, it's an interesting thought, but filling the codec buffer makes keeping the pcm buffer full 'hard' too, so frequent fills would mean frequent 'competition' |
| 18:27:32 | Mikachu | does it use much cpu to read from the flash? |
| 18:27:46 | Mikachu | excuse my swedish-english, i'm a bit tired |
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| 18:28:17 | lostlogic | Mikachu: enough that the decoder (ogg q7) can barely keep realtime when filling the codec buffer on my video |
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| 18:28:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have a disk read/write benchmark/test plugin? |
| 18:28:40 | Mikachu | okay, i use at most q4 :) |
| 18:29:06 | Mikachu | but assuming it was better, where would i find the split? :) |
| 18:29:30 | lostlogic | you are correct that you could run longer while 'doing stuff' with a larger pcm buffer though, so you're more than welcome to fiddle with the buffer size, by simply changing the number of seconds added in playback.c line 2466 from 2 to a larger number |
| 18:29:52 | lostlogic | Mikachu: sorry to be argumentative as well ;0 |
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| 18:31:36 | lostlogic | damnit, why isn't my fix fixing!? |
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| 18:32:14 | Mikachu | no problem :) |
| 18:32:41 | Lear | lostlogic: seeking fix? 'cause I had a seek problem earlier today... |
| 18:32:53 | lostlogic | Lear: yeah, I'm working on it... my hack was apparently too hacky |
| 18:33:38 | lostlogic | Lear: was surprised/impressed to see you fix bug 3003 in CVS logs today... thought I was going to have to (gah) transcode my OLD vorbis files. |
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| 18:34:31 | Mikachu | speaking of buffers, which of these numbers does the anti-skip buffer setting set? |
| 18:34:53 | Lear | well, luckily enough, it was easy to fix that case, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are more problematic files. :) |
| 18:34:54 | lostlogic | Mikachu: it sets how low the codec buffer will go before it starts refilling |
| 18:35:00 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 18:35:15 | Mikachu | higher seconds = less unfilling? |
| 18:35:28 | lostlogic | Lear: if they are also pre-1.0 vorbis, then we really ought not fix them, the stream format wasn't finalized until 1.0... |
| 18:35:32 | lostlogic | Mikachu: right |
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| 18:35:55 | lostlogic | Gah, rebuffer and seek totally breaks. |
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| 18:36:18 | Mikachu | will there be any bad effects if i change the 2 to too high? |
| 18:36:21 | Mikachu | tototoo |
| 18:36:42 | Lear | it was finalized before 1.0, I'm pretty sure of that. But as it is, most problem files has exposed malloc-related problems unrelated to the stream format. |
| 18:36:53 | lostlogic | Mikachu: probably not until you make it big enough to fill the whole damn buffer |
| 18:37:03 | lostlogic | Lear: ah |
| 18:37:34 | Mikachu | my whole damn buffer is only 4.5MB |
| 18:37:43 | Mikachu | (yes, i like to fiddle with things) |
| 18:37:49 | Lear | "rebuffer and seek" sounds like the problem I had... :) |
| 18:38:36 | Mikachu | it seems i managed to flip the numbers exactly, at least to the first two digits |
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| 18:40:02 | lostlogic | Lear: yeah, it's definitely the problem case, and now I see the two loops that put the codec thread and audio thread in a deadlock, but I don't see the Right Way to fix them. |
| 18:40:27 | Mikachu | last question before dinner, what is the pcmbufferdesc number? it is 107/150 now |
| 18:40:42 | Mikachu | pcmbufdesc even |
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| 18:41:41 | lostlogic | Mikachu: the pcm buffer is a ring buffer split into varying sized chunks, I calculate a number of chunks that it may be split into, and allocate that many descriptors, that number is the used / total descriptors |
| 18:41:54 | lostlogic | Mikachu: if you run out, it doesn't _break_ but it prevents the whole buffer from being used temporarily |
| 18:42:01 | lostlogic | I allocate enough that that shouldn't happen |
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| 18:42:11 | Mikachu | ah |
| 18:42:44 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Have you thought about how different samplerates can be handled on the ipod? (we can switch the DAC to different frequencies) |
| 18:43:09 | lostlogic | linuxstb: it's been running in a background thread in my brain, but I haven't really made any particular headway |
| 18:43:11 | linuxstb | (I know this is something for after 3.0, but was just wondering if it's on your to-do list) |
| 18:43:17 | Mikachu | but why is it only 108/150 when the buffer is full? (this is a followup so it doesn't count) |
| 18:43:56 | lostlogic | Mikachu: because the chunks vary in size, so IF the chunks were smaller, it would need more descriptors, so I have to over-allocate to catch that less-than ideal condition |
| 18:44:04 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
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| 18:44:21 | lostlogic | linuxstb: overall, I don't see _major_ difficulties, but I'm sure that's famous last words. |
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| 18:57:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: Just discovered another playback bug: |
| 18:57:41 | amiconn | Stopping playback is like quick puase-unpause, wait 1/2 second, then finally stop |
| 18:57:53 | amiconn | That's with mp3, and voice enabled, if that makes a difference |
| 18:58:28 | amiconn | Wow, my mini2g battery benchmark is stil running... |
| 18:58:36 | amiconn | 10 hours so far, with mp3... |
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| 19:01:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nice |
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| 19:10:00 | ep0ch | stupid observation to make, it seems that Rockbox battery life suffers greatly for the colour screen targets, but greyscale targets have comparable battery life to their stock firmwares |
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| 19:11:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: That's not a fair observation considering a few things |
| 19:11:20 | pussfeller | using tagcache on ipod, im getting long hangs on certain entries |
| 19:11:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: One colour target, the H300, clearly has some problems most likely in hardware initialization |
| 19:11:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: Meanwhile, the iPods aren't even at the point where they'd be ready to compete until a lot more things are done. |
| 19:11:47 | pussfeller | shuts down the sound too |
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| 19:12:24 | Slasheri | pussfeller: hmm, are you using dircache and loading the tagcache to ram? |
| 19:12:36 | Slasheri | try that, searching for certain tags from disk is slow |
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| 19:12:48 | pussfeller | i have it in ram, i dont know about dircache |
| 19:12:50 | ep0ch | Paul_The_Nerd: hence the word 'stupid' |
| 19:13:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: I figured I ought to clarify that in neither case is the colour screen the actual cause of the battery life issues. :) Other people read things here and get the wrong idea. |
| 19:13:47 | ep0ch | haha |
| 19:13:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Today someone posted in the forums that someone had intentionally broken Doom. |
| 19:14:13 | Huey | LOL |
| 19:14:30 | pussfeller | thanks slasheri, im turning on dircache |
| 19:14:40 | Huey | proably my Little Brother, he is paranoid |
| 19:14:50 | Slasheri | pussfeller: good, unless dircache is enabled, tagcache will not load to ram |
| 19:14:58 | Huey | when something doesnt work, someone broke it |
| 19:15:16 | pussfeller | oops i got a data abort |
| 19:16:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 19:17:01 | Slasheri | pussfeller: hmm, when you got it? during bootup? |
| 19:17:05 | aXp | hi |
| 19:17:18 | pussfeller | Slasheri, no, scrolling thru the Atrists menu |
| 19:17:23 | aXp | anyone uses ipod nano + itrip + rockbox?? is it possible? |
| 19:17:24 | Slasheri | ah, weird |
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| 19:17:49 | BHSPitLappy | aXp: why wouldn't it be?? |
| 19:18:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does the iTrip simply use line out? |
| 19:18:33 | BHSPitLappy | I thought it uses the headphone jack |
| 19:18:33 | aXp | itrip has some kind of control interface to set the frequency is this supported? |
| 19:18:47 | BHSPitLappy | but maybe the nano's is different |
| 19:19:03 | BHSPitLappy | aXp: just make a folder full of the mp3's that set the freq |
| 19:19:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | aXp: If it would cause anything to show up on the iPod's screen, then it shouldn't work yet. |
| 19:19:21 | aXp | Paul_The_Nerd, thx |
| 19:19:36 | BHSPitLappy | aXp: does it plug into the headphone jack, or the dock? |
| 19:19:45 | aXp | i'll going to try it now, and let you know |
| 19:19:50 | aXp | BHSPitLappy, both |
| 19:20:06 | BHSPitLappy | I would think it should work. |
| 19:20:17 | BHSPitLappy | the dock is probably just for power |
| 19:20:19 | aXp | http://www.griffintechnology.com/images/products/prod_itripnano_side03.jpg |
| 19:20:40 | Kyomi|off | Hmmm |
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| 19:20:56 | Kyomi | You know.. I'd LOVE to see someone make something like iShat |
| 19:20:59 | BHSPitLappy | should work. that's my answer. |
| 19:21:03 | Kyomi | iFarted |
| 19:21:05 | Kyomi | XD |
| 19:21:19 | BHSPitLappy | /iGnore Kyomi |
| 19:22:30 | BHSPitLappy | aXp: USA? |
| 19:25:30 | aXp | BHSPitLappy, ;) AT |
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| 19:26:40 | * | BHSPitLappy wonders what that means |
| 19:26:52 | aXp | .at −−-> Austria |
| 19:26:59 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
| 19:27:05 | BHSPitLappy | I thought it was AU |
| 19:27:21 | aXp | AU −−> Australia (AFAIK) |
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| 19:27:54 | BHSPitLappy | OH, I misread what you told me, lol |
| 19:28:02 | BHSPitLappy | so it's European frequencies? |
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| 19:28:34 | Blade[L] | hi |
| 19:28:48 | BHSPitLappy | then extract http://www.griffinserver.com/downloads/software/current/itrip_europe.zip THAT zip to a folder on your iPod |
| 19:28:57 | BHSPitLappy | ( aXp ) |
| 19:29:02 | BHSPitLappy | hi, Blade[L] |
| 19:29:10 | Blade[L] | rockbox does support g5, does it? |
| 19:29:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It runs on G5 |
| 19:29:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you mean 5th gen iPods |
| 19:29:31 | Blade[L] | yeah |
| 19:29:46 | BHSPitLappy | isn't G5 an apple processor |
| 19:30:05 | Blade[L] | too |
| 19:30:11 | aXp | BHSPitLappy, thx mate ;) |
| 19:30:16 | BHSPitLappy | I wish my 5G had a G5 proc... |
| 19:30:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because a 30 second battery life would be useful. |
| 19:30:42 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 19:30:50 | BHSPitLappy | 30 seconds of the finest Apple gaming! |
| 19:30:54 | BHSPitLappy | ... photoshop? |
| 19:31:01 | Blade[L] | is it hard to install or easy? |
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| 19:31:20 | BHSPitLappy | depends on your level of smartivity. |
| 19:31:45 | BHSPitLappy | it's a little time-consuming if it's your first time |
| 19:31:45 | Blade[L] | oh lets say, high ;) |
| 19:31:58 | BHSPitLappy | look in the rockbox wiki |
| 19:32:00 | BHSPitLappy | there's a page on it |
| 19:32:20 | Blade[L] | yes im on it right now |
| 19:37:29 | Blade[L] | ok will give it a try |
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| 19:40:19 | preglow | amiconn: do you think we can drop the return value of memset16? |
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| 19:41:51 | amiconn | Possibly. It's not used in lcd-16bit.c, and that's the only place using memset16() so far |
| 19:42:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Blade[L]: There's a nice IpodInstallation page, which links to OS-specific ones (and IpodBoot if you're on linux covers the bare bones for installing the bootloader on linux, since I'm not sure it's covered elsewhere.) |
| 19:42:24 | amiconn | My mini2g finally shut down. I'll let it charge a bit, then grab the battery log |
| 19:42:31 | preglow | amiconn: about how long did it go? |
| 19:42:44 | amiconn | ~10.5 hours |
| 19:42:47 | preglow | ooooh |
| 19:42:48 | preglow | damn |
| 19:42:52 | preglow | that's better than the nano, even |
| 19:43:01 | amiconn | Well, apple promises up to 16 hours |
| 19:43:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is 2 hours longer than the nano |
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| 19:43:34 | amiconn | Maybe the PP5022 is more power efficient |
| 19:43:37 | preglow | it is |
| 19:43:43 | preglow | that is |
| 19:43:47 | preglow | not than the pp5021 |
| 19:43:53 | preglow | but than the pp5020 |
| 19:44:08 | amiconn | Yeah, linuxstb got less than 6 hours out of his 4g |
| 19:44:21 | amiconn | But that was with flac, i.e. buffering more often |
| 19:44:37 | amiconn | ...and running at a constant 75MHz |
| 19:45:09 | preglow | oh? |
| 19:45:19 | preglow | did his most recent run also run at a constant 75mhz? |
| 19:45:22 | preglow | ahhh, riiiight, 4g |
| 19:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Data aborts occurring in CVS Doom, apparently at difficulty select. Think it relates to your new memset? Though one person said it's been in an earlier build. |
| 19:45:40 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i sincerely doubt it's got anything to do with memset |
| 19:45:43 | Chamois | amiconn : PM, pliz |
| 19:46:15 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: but a fast way to test is just by modifying firmware/SOURCES to use ordinary memset.c instead of memset_a.S |
| 19:46:35 | Blade[L] | how can i bring the ipod in ddep standby? |
| 19:46:37 | Blade[L] | e |
| 19:46:45 | kkurbjun | What's wrong with doom on the ipod 5g? |
| 19:46:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I'll try to talk more details out of 'em, then. |
| 19:47:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Blade[L]: Do you want to send it into deep sleep, or wake it up from it? |
| 19:47:25 | Blade[L] | set it into |
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| 19:47:51 | Blade[L] | wah |
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| 19:48:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Blade[L]: I don't think you *can* send it into deep sleep from Apple's firmware. |
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| 19:48:12 | Blade[L] | bad |
| 19:48:21 | preglow | i've gone through the code with a fine-toothed comb, and test_mem also says it works fine |
| 19:48:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Fair enough. |
| 19:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Data abort at 01FA9EB0 apparently |
| 19:49:09 | kkurbjun | data abort? |
| 19:49:24 | kkurbjun | I don't know what would be causing that |
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| 19:49:49 | kkurbjun | I read that some people thought it was due to a committ of mine, I don't see how it would be affecting the 3g |
| 19:49:52 | kkurbjun | oops 5g |
| 19:49:59 | Blade[L] | nice works |
| 19:50:03 | Blade[L] | thanks dudes |
| 19:50:06 | Huey | Here |
| 19:50:08 | Huey | talk to me |
| 19:50:13 | Huey | I have the error |
| 19:50:18 | Blade[L] | where |
| 19:50:23 | Huey | Here |
| 19:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | kkurbjun: Well, if you make a 5G build, and check the .map you could see where the data abort is. I can't build on this machine at the moment. =/ |
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| 19:50:27 | Huey | I have the error |
| 19:50:46 | kkurbjun | I don't have the arm compiler setup, it works fine in the sim though |
| 19:51:09 | Huey | I dont have the compiler |
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| 19:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know if this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding is accurate with the new language changes? Or have the steps changed? (Amiconn, I'm looking in your direction.) |
| 19:51:16 | Huey | and i dont know how |
| 19:51:31 | Blade[L] | what for do you need a compiler |
| 19:51:39 | Huey | i dont know how to build |
| 19:51:45 | Huey | compile |
| 19:51:51 | Huey | whatever u wanna call it |
| 19:52:00 | kkurbjun | The changes I made are basically a bounds check in the drawing code which shouldn't affect standard doom. |
| 19:52:10 | kkurbjun | Huey, are you running a mod? |
| 19:52:15 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: The script needs adjustments |
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| 19:52:28 | Huey | I tried the regular shareware3 |
| 19:52:29 | amiconn | Not only the script, but also voicefont.c |
| 19:52:37 | Huey | then i tried the FreeDoom |
| 19:52:46 | Huey | then I tried all my Mods |
| 19:52:51 | kkurbjun | Huey, try erasing your .dfg file in doom |
| 19:52:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Okay. That's all I needed to know. I can tell this person "Unfortunately no" |
| 19:52:53 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: ahh, i've got that once too |
| 19:52:57 | Huey | k |
| 19:53:12 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I have to do that, and I have to do it soon. |
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| 19:55:07 | Blade[L] | ah were do i have to put the musicfiles :> |
| 19:55:23 | kkurbjun | Huey, did that help? |
| 19:56:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I suggested that this person revert to an earlier build until 3.0. If I recall voice worked reasonably on some those for H120 in early March, or earlier. I think. |
| 19:56:05 | Huey | wait |
| 19:56:07 | Huey | one sec |
| 19:56:30 | Huey | It froze |
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| 19:57:05 | Huey | i'll try again |
| 19:58:14 | Huey | the error occurs if u leave ur ipod alone for 5 secs |
| 19:58:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, backlight? |
| 19:58:30 | Huey | proably freezing because of Demo Mode |
| 19:58:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 19:58:44 | Huey | thats my guess, thats how long Demo Mode takes to start up |
| 19:59:42 | kkurbjun | Huey, are you able to start a game? |
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| 20:07:46 | Huey | no |
| 20:08:14 | kkurbjun | Was there a default.dfg file in you doom dir? |
| 20:08:25 | Blade[L] | ah were do i have to put the musicfiles :> |
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| 20:09:23 | Huey | yes |
| 20:09:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Blade[L]: Anywhere you want! :) |
| 20:09:26 | Mikachu | Blade[L]: *beep* you forgot to phrase your answer as a question |
| 20:09:29 | Mikachu | :) |
| 20:09:54 | Blade[L] | and how do i select them... |
| 20:10:12 | kkurbjun | Huey, Hmm, I wasn't expecting one to be there, is there a way to exit doom now on the ipods? |
| 20:10:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Blade[L]: Browse to them, and click on them? |
| 20:10:24 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: linuxstb changed hold to menu iirc |
| 20:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You do see the file tree in rockbox? |
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| 20:11:07 | Huey | ummmm |
| 20:11:08 | Huey | Hold |
| 20:11:14 | Huey | the way |
| 20:11:22 | Huey | u do to reset it completly |
| 20:11:37 | Huey | but, there is no proper way |
| 20:11:45 | kkurbjun | Is hold emulated on the sim? |
| 20:12:06 | Huey | no, not the hold button |
| 20:12:12 | Huey | Menu and Select |
| 20:12:19 | Huey | for 6 seconds |
| 20:13:24 | kkurbjun | Huey, you erased that default.dfg and it came back? |
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| 20:15:22 | Huey | I havent checked if it came back |
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| 20:15:51 | kkurbjun | If you're resetting the ipod to quit I don't know why it ever would have been there |
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| 20:17:15 | Huey | i'm am guessing it only appears when u change the controls |
| 20:17:24 | Huey | cause it is not there |
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| 20:17:39 | Huey | and it wasnt there on the old version where u cant change the controls |
| 20:21:38 | obo | Mikachu: thanks for looking at the unplug patch - it works very nicely now |
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| 20:25:59 | Mikachu | obo: you're welcome :) |
| 20:26:10 | Mikachu | obo: thank you for the patch |
| 20:26:57 | obo | Mikachu: heh, I only stole it from bot47 before going mad with options :) |
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| 20:27:23 | Mikachu | obo: i don't know who he is so that's okay |
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| 20:27:43 | Huey | <kkurbjun> what do u think |
| 20:28:04 | preglow | ipod tetrox controls are annoying, i keep brushing the wheel when i want to move right or left |
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| 20:29:43 | Mikachu | even with the change to not do rotating until you rotate a lot? |
| 20:29:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't like wheel rotating at all |
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| 20:42:32 | Huey | so, do u guys have any ideas |
| 20:42:33 | Huey | ? |
| 20:42:44 | Huey | bout the error |
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| 20:50:02 | XavierGr | New vmware image can be founde here: |
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| 20:50:03 | XavierGr | http://dev.jv24.org/rockbox/ |
| 20:50:12 | | Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) |
| 20:50:25 | XavierGr | please test it and report any problems or ommitions on the wiki |
| 20:50:46 | * | Mikachu saturates XavierGr's bandwidth |
| 20:51:01 | XavierGr | this isn't my bandwidth |
| 20:51:11 | * | Mikachu saturates someone's bandwidth |
| 20:51:16 | XavierGr | a kind soul sent me an email asking to host the file |
| 20:51:26 | Mikachu | he asked to host it? |
| 20:51:53 | XavierGr | but yeah seeds are needed. If anyone can redistribute it please add your link there. |
| 20:52:08 | Mikachu | i guess i can host it too |
| 20:52:26 | XavierGr | he told me to upload the file via ftp and then he sent me a public link for download. |
| 20:52:36 | Mikachu | maybe he has tampered with the image! |
| 20:52:43 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Ah thanks that would be great. |
| 20:52:48 | XavierGr | you think so? |
| 20:52:52 | Mikachu | probably not :) |
| 20:52:56 | Mikachu | do you have md5sum? |
| 20:53:04 | XavierGr | I can make one |
| 20:53:44 | Mikachu | doesn't hurt to check |
| 20:57:02 | XavierGr | done |
| 20:57:08 | XavierGr | but I can't check it |
| 20:57:15 | Mikachu | i can check it in 2 minutes |
| 20:57:21 | XavierGr | What???!!!!!! |
| 20:57:26 | XavierGr | 2minutes? |
| 20:57:34 | Mikachu | 1 minute and 5 seconds now |
| 20:57:44 | XavierGr | I hate you. It took me 4 hours to upload it. |
| 20:57:47 | XavierGr | ;P |
| 20:57:54 | Mikachu | would you rather upload it to everyone yourself? :) |
| 20:58:04 | XavierGr | haha |
| 20:58:40 | Mikachu | a7b92802838d0ae5571d15dcb2a9b2b1 Debian.7z |
| 20:58:41 | XavierGr | I tried to upload it at Bagders site at first but the connection dropped after 3 hours on 159MB |
| 20:59:21 | Mikachu | There is a possibility that AlexanderSpyridakis is editing this topic. |
| 20:59:21 | Mikachu | :) |
| 20:59:24 | lostlogic | bagh, this stupid async seek is stupid. |
| 20:59:45 | Mikachu | XavierGr: feel free to add http://mikachu.ath.cx/Debian.7z |
| 20:59:56 | XavierGr | Mikachu:yes that's the same |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:03 | XavierGr | ok I will add it |
| 21:00:06 | preglow | amiconn: would you like to test my clickwheel ticking patch? |
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| 21:01:39 | Mikachu | XavierGr: also, this one isn't self extracting, so maybe you should link to 7zip.something |
| 21:02:06 | XavierGr | yup |
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| 21:04:23 | amiconn | preglow: I have a question regarding the piezo: Can the piezo generate beeps by itself, or do you need to toggle a port pin very fast to produce sound? |
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| 21:04:38 | Mikachu | amiconn: it beeps on its own |
| 21:04:46 | Mikachu | you just set a memory location |
| 21:04:46 | petur | :( |
| 21:04:55 | Mikachu | and then you need to write somewhere to shut it off |
| 21:04:58 | petur | there go the sound effects |
| 21:05:03 | amiconn | Ah, so in theory it would be possible to use it as an alarm clock? |
| 21:05:16 | Mikachu | apart from it being too quiet, yeah |
| 21:05:31 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Thanks. Please don't forget to report any problems in the wiki. |
| 21:05:44 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Also does it work for you? |
| 21:05:52 | Mikachu | unknown |
| 21:06:29 | preglow | amiconn: by itself |
| 21:06:31 | amiconn | preglow: I have an idea, based on some more thoughts regarding the piezo |
| 21:06:36 | preglow | amiconn: you set the freq and just let it go |
| 21:06:44 | Mikachu | petur: i have some awesome sound effects in brickmania and tetrox |
| 21:07:18 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/beeper.c |
| 21:07:23 | preglow | amiconn: just nothing too ambitious now, please, i want this out pretty soon so blind people can tell me if it's any help |
| 21:07:24 | Mikachu | that is also fun |
| 21:07:26 | amiconn | (1) for wheel/button click, it might in fact be better to click at the time the event is generated than at the time it is consumed. This way it better resembles a true clicking button |
| 21:07:33 | Mikachu | (yes, i know it spins the loop way too fast) |
| 21:07:41 | preglow | amiconn: yes, exactly, it feel quite intuitive too |
| 21:07:49 | preglow | you should try it, i'm confident you'll find it's not bad at all |
| 21:07:58 | amiconn | (2) We will probably want to use the piezo for other things as well |
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| 21:08:29 | amiconn | (3) We do *not* want it to click everywhere |
| 21:08:40 | amiconn | i.e. it should be disableable |
| 21:08:49 | amiconn | My idea is as follows: |
| 21:09:12 | amiconn | - Have a separate piezo driver. This should be simple, just another tick task |
| 21:10:39 | amiconn | - Have *two* click enable/disable function as part of the button driver, which are ANDed together |
| 21:10:40 | lostlogic | amiconn: hmph, I don't get that pause unpause sleep stop thta you mentioned. |
| 21:11:19 | Mikachu | i may have noticed that when i shut down, it paused briefly before it stopped |
| 21:11:35 | amiconn | One function would be controlled by a global enable/disable click, the other would be enabled by default, but disabled in places where we don't want to click (e.g. in doom) |
| 21:11:59 | amiconn | If both values are true, the button driver would fire the clicks, using the piezo driver |
| 21:12:18 | preglow | amiconn: sounds good |
| 21:12:44 | amiconn | In fact we don't need two enable functions |
| 21:13:15 | amiconn | If we don't want to click, call button_enable_click(false); |
| 21:13:36 | amiconn | afterwards call button_enable_click(global_settings.button_click); |
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| 21:17:48 | amiconn | preglow: Play 1 channel midi on the piezo... |
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| 21:18:11 | Zoide777 | you can use it as a speaker?!? |
| 21:18:12 | Mikachu | i already had that idea |
| 21:18:13 | amiconn | iPod ringtones... |
| 21:18:31 | Mikachu | how dare you use my idea without giving credit? |
| 21:18:57 | Zoide777 | awesome |
| 21:19:31 | Zoide777 | and then the only thing missing will be recording through the headphone out... (it *is* possible! podzilla does it) |
| 21:19:44 | Zoide777 | oh, and video playback, but i'm sure that'll come in due time |
| 21:20:42 | Mikachu | and video recording!!1 |
| 21:21:57 | Zoide777 | through the headphone out!!!! |
| 21:21:59 | Zoide777 | hahahahaha |
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| 21:22:34 | Zoide777 | no, i was joking, that's impossible. obviously the video would be recorded *through the screen* ! |
| 21:23:00 | Zoide777 | you measure the tiny voltage fluctuations on each pixel of the lcd that are caused by the photons on the light that hits the screen |
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| 21:23:06 | Zoide777 | then you convert that to video |
| 21:23:10 | Zoide777 | pretty trivial imo |
| 21:23:18 | preglow | amiconn: ahhahaha |
| 21:23:19 | * | Zoide777 is talking out of his ass and enjoying it ::) |
| 21:23:22 | preglow | amiconn: well, it should be possible |
| 21:23:23 | Zoide777 | gotta go eat lunch |
| 21:23:37 | preglow | amiconn: at least somewhat, you control the period of the piezo |
| 21:23:43 | preglow | amiconn: you can also control the pulse width, i think |
| 21:24:20 | Mikachu | can you change it fast enough to make it resemble something other than a tone? |
| 21:25:26 | preglow | sure |
| 21:25:38 | preglow | that's how the did drums in c64 times |
| 21:25:40 | preglow | they |
| 21:27:34 | crashd | SID chips ftw. |
| 21:28:16 | crashd | speaking of SID, poor modplayer still needs attention ;( |
| 21:29:39 | preglow | ftw? |
| 21:30:09 | crashd | sorry, colloquial IRC acronym, got a bit carried away |
| 21:30:10 | crashd | for the win |
| 21:30:20 | Mikachu | O RLY? |
| 21:30:26 | crashd | ya, rly |
| 21:30:27 | Mikachu | the orly owl is dead btw :( |
| 21:30:35 | crashd | lies! |
| 21:30:40 | Mikachu | it is true |
| 21:30:43 | crashd | ; ( |
| 21:31:31 | Mikachu | http://goodbyeowl.ytmnd.com (has some funny text tags that takes a while to render in mozilla) |
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| 21:33:42 | Mikachu | of course, i don't know if that true |
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| 21:39:19 | preglow | sid chips ftw indeed |
| 21:39:27 | preglow | nothing sounds as sweet as a bona fide sid chip |
| 21:41:11 | * | lostlogic makes _major_ changes to audio operation... for the better, but probably introducing BUGS. |
| 21:41:18 | lostlogic | that's my job, right? |
| 21:41:19 | ep0ch | oh that reminds me i was going to test dircache with 30,000 sid files |
| 21:41:35 | preglow | lostlogic: oh sure |
| 21:41:41 | preglow | lostlogic: as long as it ends up easier to work with |
| 21:42:02 | lostlogic | preglow: that's the goal |
| 21:42:22 | preglow | then go forth |
| 21:42:39 | lostlogic | I seem to have made seeking Not Work during filling instead of Doing Bad Stuff during filling, not sure which is worse :-\ |
| 21:44:43 | preglow | well, as long as it's fixable... |
| 21:46:13 | lostlogic | I'm sure it is... I'm probably going to commit this soon, because it's an important paradigm switch (similar to yesterday's) in that it puts buffer fill monitoring frequency in the hands of the codec thread instead of the audio thread to allow proper serialization of audio thread events. |
| 21:46:41 | lostlogic | (which is why it came up as I was trying to fix a serialization problem with stupid seek) |
| 21:48:17 | preglow | lostlogic, Slasheri: do you know why all output buffers are split up into chunks before furhter processing in dsp.c ? |
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| 21:50:31 | macncheese | hey guys, how do i start rockboy on my h140? i cant find it in my plugin list |
| 21:51:27 | preglow | just start a rom |
| 21:51:31 | preglow | rockboy will launch |
| 21:51:35 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, really? |
| 21:51:42 | preglow | Slasheri: looks like it |
| 21:51:46 | preglow | Slasheri: convert_samples |
| 21:51:51 | preglow | Slasheri: top line, it caps the count variable |
| 21:51:58 | macncheese | preglow, wow that's pretty easy lol, thanks :) |
| 21:52:04 | preglow | convert_to_internal, i mean |
| 21:52:26 | lostlogic | preglow: no idea, I've wondered the same myself. |
| 21:52:27 | preglow | macncheese: you're welcome |
| 21:52:38 | Slasheri | ah, hmm |
| 21:52:42 | preglow | i can see there being a problem with not enough yielding |
| 21:52:45 | macncheese | does it support gbc too, btw, on h140? or just gb? |
| 21:52:48 | preglow | but surely, that can be fixed better with more yields |
| 21:52:57 | preglow | macncheese: gbc too, but support is not complete |
| 21:53:32 | macncheese | yea i figured as much :) any games known to work well? |
| 21:53:48 | preglow | macncheese: i dunno, haven't used it for yonks, mario land works nice, though :) |
| 21:54:01 | macncheese | ahh, thats all we need, isnt it? :] |
| 21:54:04 | preglow | indeed |
| 21:54:06 | preglow | heh |
| 21:54:34 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, probably it had something to do with the sample depth / stereo mode |
| 21:54:45 | Slasheri | i can't remember the code right now and it has changed a lot :) |
| 21:54:54 | preglow | Slasheri: nah, that part hasn't changed much |
| 21:54:57 | preglow | Slasheri: it's pretty much your code |
| 21:55:01 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 21:55:06 | preglow | Slasheri: but yeah, i can understand the chunking in the case of the converting |
| 21:55:10 | preglow | Slasheri: but not when the samples are in the target format |
| 21:55:24 | preglow | Slasheri: which they almost always now |
| 21:55:30 | preglow | insert "are" somewhere there |
| 21:55:52 | Slasheri | hmm, yep. then it might be unnecessary |
| 21:56:09 | preglow | but yeah |
| 21:56:13 | preglow | i think i'll try to fix that some day |
| 21:56:22 | preglow | perhaps when i remove support for 16 bit samples altogether |
| 21:56:24 | Slasheri | sounds good :) |
| 21:56:50 | Slasheri | hmm, you mean 16 bit input data? |
| 21:56:53 | preglow | yes |
| 21:57:01 | Slasheri | ok, that can probably go then.. :) |
| 21:57:09 | preglow | i've converted all codecs to use 32 bit data now |
| 21:57:13 | preglow | in a fixed s3.28 fixed point format |
| 21:57:22 | Slasheri | oh, nice :) |
| 21:57:35 | preglow | so we always know how much precision we have |
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| 21:58:01 | Slasheri | that's good. but now sleeping, night -> |
| 21:58:53 | preglow | good night |
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| 22:01:28 | macncheese | oh one more question, sorry about that |
| 22:01:46 | macncheese | i cant seem to find a way to get rockbox to shuffle through all my songs, instead of just the songs in current folder |
| 22:02:03 | macncheese | since i have subfolders in subfolders in subfolders |
| 22:02:04 | Mikachu | add all songs to the playlist and optionally do a Reshuffle Playlist |
| 22:02:14 | macncheese | so i could only through a playlist? |
| 22:02:17 | Mikachu | you can select Insert Subdirs Recursively somewhere in the options |
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| 22:05:56 | Zoide777 | it would be nice if there were a tagcache "All" option that would queue up all songs, such that if Shuffle were set to On they would be shuffled |
| 22:05:57 | macncheese | alright, thanks :) |
| 22:06:08 | macncheese | Zoide777, agree:) |
| 22:06:20 | Mikachu | can't you go to browse by title and just select one? |
| 22:06:26 | Mikachu | (i haven't tried tagcache) |
| 22:06:40 | macncheese | you mean manually select a song and pretend im shuffling? :P |
| 22:06:56 | Mikachu | if you select a song in normal dir mode, it inserts all songs in the dir |
| 22:07:05 | Mikachu | so i thought it might do the same in tagbrowser |
| 22:07:11 | macncheese | ah like that |
| 22:07:17 | macncheese | i got all my songs in subdirs |
| 22:07:29 | Mikachu | that wouldn't affect tagcache |
| 22:11:38 | macncheese | guess ill try in a min :) |
| 22:11:47 | macncheese | once im done throwing all these gameboy roms on :] |
| 22:12:21 | macncheese | is it worth putting gbc roms on, or wont they play properly anyway? |
| 22:13:20 | RedBreva | Just been playing with the new VMWARE image... I can compile and run sims again - Woot!! |
| 22:13:27 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 22:14:24 | RedBreva | But... can someone tell me how to get to a file manager of some sort? :-( |
| 22:15:11 | Mikachu | you should start up in the file browser |
| 22:15:41 | RedBreva | It's just an empty desktop with rockbox logo... |
| 22:16:05 | Mikachu | maybe you don't have any files on it |
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| 22:17:42 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: I noticed you used \note{Note: ...} −− \note brings the Note: prefix itself |
| 22:18:28 | RedBreva | Whoops! Just wrapped some existing text and forgot to remove the extra bit... |
| 22:19:42 | amiconn | preglow: The total mp3 runtime of my mini2g was in fact 10h 43 48s |
| 22:21:23 | amiconn | (last log entry) |
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| 22:22:08 | RedBreva | hmmm how do I view the pdf manual I have just built? |
| 22:22:22 | Mikachu | with a pdf viewer? |
| 22:22:27 | ep0ch | heh |
| 22:22:36 | Mikachu | is it a trick question? |
| 22:22:50 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/battery_bench_ipodmini2g_4gb.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/battery_bench_ipodmini2g_4gb.txt |
| 22:23:01 | RedBreva | :P Can I do it from cmd line, or do I need to install / run a pdf viewer first |
| 22:23:23 | ep0ch | :o |
| 22:23:37 | RedBreva | Still *very* new to the entire linux thing... I like my GUI |
| 22:24:02 | ep0ch | you can compile the manual but you dont know how to view a pdf? |
| 22:24:06 | Mikachu | pdf viewers are always gui |
| 22:25:05 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: what os you're on? Linux? |
| 22:25:14 | RedBreva | epOch: yep - in linux... I can view it by returning to XP and opening a share, browsing across etc, but am hoping to stay in the VMWARE box |
| 22:25:29 | Zoide777 | bye |
| 22:25:33 | | Part Zoide777 |
| 22:25:35 | Mikachu | RedBreva: install xpdf |
| 22:25:46 | ep0ch | well there's xpdf or kpdf (in kde) |
| 22:25:50 | Mikachu | does the vmware thing have X? |
| 22:26:20 | lostlogic | well, every seek is seamless now −− the old audio keeps playing until it seeks... this is a step in the right direction. |
| 22:26:42 | RedBreva | It's got some apps in the menu with X at the start of the name if that is any sort of answer... |
| 22:26:56 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok. Vmware ... you could look for xpdf. |
| 22:27:20 | Mikachu | RedBreva: try apt-get xpdf |
| 22:27:36 | RedBreva | OK... |
| 22:27:53 | preglow | amiconn: definitely pretty good |
| 22:28:01 | amiconn | yeah |
| 22:28:02 | preglow | amiconn: and for mp3, one of the slowest codecs |
| 22:28:13 | Mikachu | lostlogic: am i doing something stupid? i tried to add %sp to my wps but it only shows a p |
| 22:28:14 | amiconn | Would be better with some libmad optimisations ;) |
| 22:28:27 | Mikachu | that line has |
| 22:28:28 | Mikachu | %al%sp%acNext: |
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| 22:28:45 | Mikachu | hrm |
| 22:28:45 | amiconn | Btw, it seems the iPod has a hardware protection circuit kicking in pretty high - at 3.5 volts |
| 22:28:52 | lostlogic | Mikachu: doesn't look stupid, I wonder if I effed something up |
| 22:28:58 | amiconn | s/iPod/mini 2G/ |
| 22:29:07 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i wonder if there isn't already a %s |
| 22:29:26 | amiconn | Of course |
| 22:29:33 | preglow | amiconn: it's on my todo list |
| 22:29:38 | amiconn | One of the oldest wps tags, scrollling line... |
| 22:29:50 | preglow | amiconn: after writing a parser for the arm profiler output |
| 22:29:53 | Mikachu | ah, my next line is |
| 22:29:55 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yeah, I effed it up |
| 22:29:56 | Mikachu | %ac%s%Ia - %It |
| 22:29:59 | Mikachu | yw :) |
| 22:30:06 | ep0ch | RedBreva: is there a command called 'pdftotext' available? |
| 22:30:11 | RedBreva | Hurahhh... apt-get install xpdf did the trick.... Thanks all |
| 22:30:12 | lostlogic | gah, why didn't GCC yell at me for that :( |
| 22:30:19 | preglow | it's also after a ton of other stuff, like fixing the resampler |
| 22:30:29 | amiconn | :/ |
| 22:30:43 | amiconn | The resampler needs work too, definitely |
| 22:30:48 | RedBreva | yes there is (pdftotext) |
| 22:30:53 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: xpdf can reload pdf files by pressing the "r" key. |
| 22:30:56 | amiconn | And that is release stuff, unlike the arm libmad |
| 22:31:03 | Mikachu | lostlogic: looks like it's in another switch statement |
| 22:31:04 | preglow | amiconn: i sincerely doubt i'll have time to implement a good resampler |
| 22:31:11 | Mikachu | lostlogic: which is strange in itself |
| 22:31:12 | preglow | amiconn: instead, i'll focus on finding the bugs in the current one |
| 22:31:45 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yeah, damn, ok, so I'll hafta find some other leading character for sound/DSP stuff, any thoughts? anything not taken that is even remotely intuitive? |
| 22:32:18 | Mikachu | i'm no wps expert |
| 22:34:07 | Mikachu | hrm, does it actually reparse the whole wps file every time it draws the display? |
| 22:34:22 | lostlogic | Mikachu: pretty much, yeah... |
| 22:34:26 | Mikachu | cool |
| 22:34:30 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: you should also avoid to insert a hard line break right before \note and \warn −− they to this themselves. |
| 22:34:52 | Mikachu | lostlogic: looks like S isn't taken |
| 22:35:01 | Mikachu | but maybe would be confusing |
| 22:35:07 | bluebrother^ | I'm just looking over the playback options patch. Looks nice. |
| 22:35:41 | Mikachu | n for noise is also free |
| 22:35:44 | lostlogic | Mikachu: what about 'e' for equalizer and other DSP things? |
| 22:36:01 | RedBreva | OK, thanks - I am learning rapidly... hopefully I won't make the same mistake too many times - BTW r works like a charm |
| 22:36:14 | Mikachu | i don't have any strong opinions on the choice of letter |
| 22:36:36 | bluebrother^ | its the only pdf viewer I know that supports this. |
| 22:37:08 | RedBreva | Hmmm... xedit is a bit crap tho' |
| 22:37:14 | bluebrother^ | btw, have you notices I extended the LatexGuidelines and ManualTodo? |
| 22:37:22 | bluebrother^ | I'd suggest you gvim ;-) |
| 22:37:34 | RedBreva | is that a apt-get too? |
| 22:37:40 | bluebrother^ | should be. |
| 22:37:53 | Mikachu | it could be something silly like vim-gui too |
| 22:38:01 | Mikachu | but try gvim first |
| 22:38:13 | bluebrother^ | are you using the rockbox devel image? I haven't used, no idea whats all included. |
| 22:38:32 | bluebrother^ | but maybe I should try some time ... just to know ;) |
| 22:38:35 | preglow | ehh |
| 22:38:44 | * | bluebrother^ runs Linux natively |
| 22:38:48 | RedBreva | yes... so far I have added xpdf and ccache |
| 22:38:56 | ep0ch | looks like dircache hates me for having the entire sid collection on my mp3 player :( |
| 22:39:01 | preglow | lostlogic: do you have any idea why apply_gain doesn't just write to the src array? |
| 22:39:07 | * | preglow summons Lear |
| 22:39:09 | Mikachu | ep0ch: i do too |
| 22:39:46 | midkay | Mikachu, what's up? S and N? for what? |
| 22:40:12 | RedBreva | just tried gvim... it is a virtual package provided by ...lots of vim-xxx options... You should selct one to install :( |
| 22:41:48 | Mikachu | midkay: we are searching for a good wps tag prefix for sound related things, like pitch |
| 22:42:02 | lostlogic | preglow: I also recall thinking that when I browsed DSP code. |
| 22:42:22 | midkay | Mikachu, aha.. yes, my vote goes to "S" then. :) |
| 22:42:23 | preglow | i can't see why it doesn't just write to src |
| 22:42:26 | preglow | it's just a flaming gain |
| 22:42:31 | preglow | fastest thing in the world made slower |
| 22:42:47 | lostlogic | preglow: ahaha yes, I was frustrated by the number of copies done during DSP. |
| 22:42:57 | preglow | i intend to eliminate all |
| 22:43:05 | Mikachu | you will be EXTERMINATED |
| 22:43:05 | lostlogic | preglow: you're my hero :) |
| 22:43:16 | | Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=steve-o@adsl-66-139-196-2.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 22:43:30 | harbel | Would it be possible to run Rockbox if you had a HFS+ iPod and you added a Fat32 partition right after your ext2 partition if you had linux, or right after the HFS+ partition, and you ran Rockbox off the Fat32 partition? |
| 22:43:38 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: I'm not used to debian, can't help you really here ... on my box the package is called vim-X11 |
| 22:43:47 | Mikachu | harbel: you could probably just reformat it to fat32 |
| 22:44:03 | Mikachu | harbel: i'm not sure how hardcoded the partition number is in the bootloader |
| 22:45:02 | RedBreva | Any suggestions for a web browser? |
| 22:45:03 | amiconn | preglow: Changing the data in place requires that the function is never called twice for the same block. If this is made sure, then there shouldt'n be a problem |
| 22:45:25 | bluebrother^ | Firefox. |
| 22:45:30 | harbel | Could you use iPodLoader2 and make a config file and tell it to search for Rockbox on (hd0,3)? |
| 22:45:33 | ep0ch | RedBreva: firefox for gui, w3m for shell |
| 22:45:39 | Mikachu | harbel: maybe |
| 22:46:03 | harbel | Mikachu: Alright, I may try it out later then |
| 22:46:08 | amiconn | Mikachu, harbel: The fat32 partition number isn't hardcoded anywhere. The rockbox fat driver simply grabs the first fat32 partition it can find |
| 22:46:12 | preglow | amiconn: well, of course not, then you'll get double the effect |
| 22:46:16 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 22:46:18 | * | bluebrother^ just notices w3m not to be installed. |
| 22:46:18 | preglow | amiconn: which is logical anyway... |
| 22:46:33 | amiconn | There's only one restriction - rockbox does only support primary partitions |
| 22:46:35 | Mikachu | harbel: how would you go about shrinking the hfs partition? |
| 22:46:39 | RedBreva | silly question time: How do I get to install a browser, without a browser to get to the web site to download a browser from?? I think!! |
| 22:46:47 | Mikachu | i will poke anyone with more than 4 partitions on an ipod |
| 22:46:55 | Mikachu | RedBreva: apt-get! |
| 22:46:58 | amiconn | RedBreva: Use a caommandline download tool, like curl |
| 22:47:06 | Mikachu | apt-get firefox should work |
| 22:47:08 | bluebrother^ | RedBreva: if you know the complete url: wget |
| 22:47:11 | RedBreva | Doh! |
| 22:47:19 | amiconn | Yeah, or your favourite package managing tool |
| 22:47:39 | harbel | Couldn't you shrink the hfs+ partition with fdisk in linux? |
| 22:48:01 | Mikachu | you could shrink the partition sure, but not the filesystem |
| 22:48:15 | RedBreva | I only found out what packages were a few days ago - I don't have any mangling tools, never mind a favorite :D |
| 22:48:24 | Mikachu | you used apt-get earlier |
| 22:48:39 | RedBreva | it's the only one I know |
| 22:48:44 | harbel | Ah, ok, but I have to go now anyways |
| 22:48:59 | lostlogic | Mikachu: 'S' it is |
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| 22:49:20 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:49:45 | RedBreva | The Mouse handling in this new VMWARE is *WAY* better than old build... |
| 22:50:00 | amiconn | Yes, it contains vmware tools... |
| 22:50:32 | * | bluebrother^ just discovered w3m supporting his mouse wheel |
| 22:50:52 | ep0ch | yeah w3m is sweet |
| 22:50:57 | RedBreva | Darn - apt-get firefox didn't work :( Can;t find package |
| 22:51:05 | lostlogic | mozilla-firefox perhaps? |
| 22:51:05 | t0mas | mozilla-firefox ? |
| 22:51:05 | Mikachu | try mozilla-firefox |
| 22:51:07 | Mikachu | heh |
| 22:51:08 | t0mas | lol |
| 22:51:09 | lostlogic | lol |
| 22:51:15 | lostlogic | we _rule_ |
| 22:51:28 | t0mas | we all had the same problem I guess ;) |
| 22:51:46 | RedBreva | Woooot - yes, Rule is definately what you do. |
| 22:51:49 | Mikachu | RedBreva: might as well tell you about apt-cache search 'text' |
| 22:51:55 | Mikachu | at least i think that's the comamnd |
| 22:51:58 | Mikachu | i've never actually had debian |
| 22:52:18 | Bagder | it is the right command |
| 22:52:50 | * | t0mas really likes debian |
| 22:52:55 | t0mas | and as of today... Xen |
| 22:53:17 | RedBreva | do I entrust font managment to defoma? |
| 22:58:03 | | Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 22:59:12 | RedBreva | OK, 1 final question before I pack it in for the evening... |
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| 22:59:27 | Mikachu | i think the answer is 7 |
| 22:59:28 | RedBreva | How do I change the keyboard mapping in X? |
| 22:59:31 | RedBreva | hehehe |
| 22:59:56 | Mikachu | setxkbmap us for us, se for sweden i think, etc |
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| 23:01:13 | preglow | man, it looks like apply_gain does some really nasty assumptions |
| 23:04:57 | Mikachu | lostlogic: the tag works fine now as expected |
| 23:05:20 | amiconn | Bagder: what's that 'user:' line in langv2 files meant for? |
| 23:05:35 | Bagder | its meant for core or specific plugins etc |
| 23:05:48 | Bagder | its not being used atm |
| 23:06:07 | | Quit ender` (" And on the 8th day, God said: "Okay, Murphy, it's your turn now."") |
| 23:06:30 | RedBreva | Right, I'm off - Thanks for you help earlier... |
| 23:06:40 | | Quit RedBreva () |
| 23:08:24 | lostlogic | blah, what the heck did I do to break starting playback!? |
| 23:08:59 | midkay | lostlogic, what? |
| 23:09:26 | t0mas | [22:59:39] <Mikachu> i think the answer is 7 <−− no... it's... 42! |
| 23:09:37 | Mikachu | 7 is a factor of 42 though |
| 23:09:46 | t0mas | yeah, so you were close |
| 23:10:32 | t0mas | (you did see that movie? the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?) |
| 23:10:32 | | Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.191.217) |
| 23:10:52 | Mikachu | yeah, it was a big letdown |
| 23:11:07 | petur | the book is much better |
| 23:11:08 | Mikachu | it was like a cliffnotes version of the first book with the jokes ripped out :) |
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| 23:11:47 | goffa | still light years better than the bbc version |
| 23:11:55 | Mikachu | at least that was funny |
| 23:12:07 | lostlogic | Mikachu: can't get audio to play on my player any more, and I don't see any good reason for it. |
| 23:12:37 | Mikachu | can't help there |
| 23:12:43 | lostlogic | sigh, I know. |
| 23:12:59 | * | Mikachu sends some Insta-Fix Cookies (tm) |
| 23:13:12 | * | t0mas has never seen the old movie |
| 23:13:14 | t0mas | did read the book |
| 23:13:17 | * | lostlogic mutters something about weblogic session cookies and apache module bugs |
| 23:13:26 | Mikachu | t0mas: by movie you mean the bbc series? |
| 23:13:29 | goffa | t0mas: stick with the book |
| 23:13:31 | goffa | :) |
| 23:13:35 | t0mas | ah, that was a serie |
| 23:13:44 | Mikachu | as you may or may not know, the book was written after that |
| 23:13:53 | t0mas | didn't see that... only saw the new movie (what a downer) |
| 23:14:00 | t0mas | and read the book |
| 23:14:06 | Mikachu | the only funny thing that i remember was the zoomout that never ended |
| 23:14:07 | t0mas | (no, didn't know about the serie) |
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| 23:14:24 | Mikachu | i think i have it on two cds somewhere, if you want it |
| 23:14:42 | t0mas | hm.. not if it's awful :) |
| 23:14:50 | obo | t0mas: try the origional radio series |
| 23:14:57 | goffa | radio series is good |
| 23:14:59 | Mikachu | i liked it, i even saw it twice |
| 23:15:06 | Mikachu | i haven't finished the new radio series yet |
| 23:15:20 | t0mas | ok, I'll look for a download link tomorrow |
| 23:15:29 | t0mas | I like listening to things before I get to sleep |
| 23:15:44 | t0mas | podcasts... audio books... radio series fit in perfectly |
| 23:16:01 | goffa | <- has tunes running all night long |
| 23:16:06 | goffa | and all day if i can help it |
| 23:16:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:16:16 | bluebrother^ | argh. These ButtonFoo macros are driving me crazy :( |
| 23:16:28 | * | t0mas is listening to digital fortress by Dan Brown now... but I don't really like it... |
| 23:16:37 | * | Mikachu is listening to 美少女戦士セーラームーン - 合コトバはムーン・プリズム・パワー・メイクアップ！ (0:10 / 4:22) |
| 23:16:47 | goffa | bought that book... haven't read it yet |
| 23:16:59 | t0mas | it's not that good |
| 23:17:17 | t0mas | Deception point is the best if you ask me... |
| 23:17:19 | Mikachu | i'm not good at audio books |
| 23:17:28 | Mikachu | i start doing something and then i realize i missed 5 chapters |
| 23:17:28 | goffa | yeah.. that was good |
| 23:17:52 | t0mas | Mikachu: ever tried listening in a train? nothing todo there |
| 23:18:04 | Mikachu | would work !at computer i guess |
| 23:18:07 | goffa | heh.. i've never been on a train |
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| 23:18:35 | t0mas | talking about audiobooks and sleeping... it's 23:18 here |
| 23:18:40 | t0mas | so bed time for little kids :) |
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| 23:18:49 | t0mas | g'night |
| 23:18:58 | goffa | he he he.. good night t0mas 3:30 pm here |
| 23:19:26 | t0mas | I bet you don't have to work tomorrow? |
| 23:19:33 | t0mas | oh wait pm |
| 23:19:35 | t0mas | is afternoon |
| 23:19:41 | goffa | yeah... |
| 23:19:45 | t0mas | <−− Dutch... using the 24h system |
| 23:19:49 | goffa | playing hookey today.. played it yesterday too |
| 23:19:58 | goffa | i have the plague |
| 23:20:01 | goffa | or something :) |
| 23:20:08 | Mikachu | am/pm is impossible to understand |
| 23:20:18 | Mikachu | especially around 0-1 |
| 23:20:19 | goffa | ha ha ha... i think 24 is harder |
| 23:20:27 | preglow | hell no |
| 23:20:33 | goffa | hard to subtract 2 all the time.. lol |
| 23:20:38 | preglow | ???? |
| 23:20:52 | preglow | no wonder you think it's hard if you subtract 2 |
| 23:20:55 | goffa | er 12 |
| 23:20:58 | t0mas | lol |
| 23:21:03 | t0mas | but 24 is way more logical |
| 23:21:06 | goffa | yeah.. harder |
| 23:21:11 | Mikachu | my brain uses a lookup table for that |
| 23:21:14 | goffa | it is .. but when you've been raised on 12 |
| 23:21:14 | t0mas | and you don't have to remember when it's am and when pm |
| 23:21:42 | t0mas | erm... I don't have a problem with that... all analog clocks use 1 - 12 |
| 23:21:52 | t0mas | so if I read 23:21 I think 11:21 in the evening |
| 23:22:10 | * | amiconn prefers digital clocks |
| 23:22:13 | goffa | not me... if i see 11:21 it's 11:21 :) |
| 23:22:18 | Bagder | binary! |
| 23:22:22 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:22:23 | Mikachu | what i can never understand about am/pm is 12:30 |
| 23:22:25 | goffa | and i wear a digital watch |
| 23:22:29 | Mikachu | is that am or pm? |
| 23:22:34 | Mikachu | and is it in the day or the night? |
| 23:22:44 | Bagder | Mikachu: no one can understand that |
| 23:22:48 | goffa | think.. is it light out? |
| 23:22:51 | t0mas | yeah, and 12:00 |
| 23:22:52 | Bagder | which is why they call it noon instead ;-) |
| 23:22:55 | t0mas | lunch time |
| 23:22:57 | t0mas | is that am or pm? |
| 23:23:00 | amiconn | Bagder: Hehe, in fact there are binary watches. Good for confusing unaware persons... |
| 23:23:05 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:23:06 | Mikachu | i mean, in am/pm systems, you still go up to 12:59 |
| 23:23:07 | goffa | yeah.. i've seen those |
| 23:23:15 | Bagder | I have one on my screen |
| 23:23:21 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, got my question regarding langv2 'user:' |
| 23:23:25 | * | t0mas had a widget on the desktop too |
| 23:23:34 | Mikachu | so if it's half past twelve at noon, is that 12:30am or 12:30pm? |
| 23:23:36 | goffa | tokyoflash.com |
| 23:23:40 | goffa | they have a bunch of cool ones |
| 23:23:43 | Bagder | amiconn: I replied to it |
| 23:24:05 | amiconn | Uhm, sorry, overlooked that |
| 23:24:09 | Bagder | amiconn: its not in use yet |
| 23:24:09 | obo | 12:30 pm |
| 23:24:16 | amiconn | Okay, future thing |
| 23:24:27 | Bagder | yes, it is completely ignored now |
| 23:24:32 | Mikachu | obo: so 11:59 is am, then 12:01 is pm, and they are two minutes apart? |
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| 23:24:44 | obo | yup |
| 23:24:49 | Mikachu | that's really weird |
| 23:24:52 | amiconn | Also, would it be possible to spit out the new file produced with genlang -u in english.lang order? |
| 23:24:57 | obo | [nods] |
| 23:25:09 | Bagder | amiconn: it surely would |
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| 23:25:15 | Mikachu | but at night it switches from 11:59pm to 0:01am as expected :) |
| 23:25:29 | amiconn | Mikachu: Afaik not |
| 23:25:49 | Mikachu | it is 12:01am too? |
| 23:25:52 | obo | 12:01 am |
| 23:25:57 | linuxstb | 12:01am |
| 23:25:59 | amiconn | in 12-hour system the time goes from 1:00 to 12:59am, then 1:00 to 12:59pm |
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| 23:26:07 | amiconn | Erm, wrong |
| 23:26:15 | Mikachu | so a day starts at 12 instead of 0, that's really odd :) |
| 23:26:23 | preglow | i hate the 12-hour system |
| 23:26:30 | preglow | it makes my head explode |
| 23:27:00 | amiconn | 12:00..12:59 am, 1:00..11:59 am, 12:00..12:59 pm, 1:00..11:59 pm |
| 23:27:13 | amiconn | That simply equals 0:00..23:59 |
| 23:27:45 | lostlogic | ahaha. yes. |
| 23:28:21 | preglow | i refuse to remember that |
| 23:28:31 | preglow | on the grounds of prefering my brains intact |
| 23:28:43 | linuxstb | You need it hammered into you from an early age... |
| 23:28:45 | lostlogic | you get used to it... I swear... I had never noticed just how insane it was until I read this conversation. |
| 23:28:49 | amiconn | 12 hour system is for those who also still use other weird non-metric units like miles, yards, feet, inches, gallons, Fahrenheit... |
| 23:28:58 | midkay | amiconn, huh? what's with the 12:00..12:59am thing? thing? |
| 23:28:59 | preglow | oh, the other units are ok |
| 23:29:03 | Bagder | the 12 hour time system and time zones with DST, the two biggest problems of humanity ;-) |
| 23:29:04 | preglow | they don't have postfixes that don't make no sense |
| 23:29:14 | midkay | it's not to 12:59, it's to 11:59. rather simple.. |
| 23:29:20 | Mikachu | pounds are crazy, lets make our main unit for measuring mass depend on the local gravity constant |
| 23:29:22 | * | lostlogic vomits on DST, I still cna't figure out what time it is since they screwed with my clocks. |
| 23:29:27 | midkay | 12:00 to 11:59, 12:00 to 11:59, repeat... |
| 23:29:47 | lostlogic | midkay: that doesn't make any sense numerically... |
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| 23:29:57 | lostlogic | 12:00 goes to 13:00... how does that ever reach 11:59 |
| 23:30:02 | midkay | lostlogic, but it certainly does _not_ go to 12:59 at any point.. |
| 23:30:04 | amiconn | midkay: That's not monotonic. |
| 23:30:09 | Mikachu | unless it goes backward and a day only has 2 minutes |
| 23:30:17 | midkay | if you're talking about the 12-hour havles. |
| 23:30:20 | midkay | halves.* |
| 23:30:26 | amiconn | So the first hour after midnight and the first hour after noon is a separate sequence |
| 23:30:30 | lostlogic | midkay: you are missing the point |
| 23:30:42 | midkay | i'm not even sure what you're discussing.. |
| 23:30:44 | midkay | :) |
| 23:30:54 | lostlogic | hah! |
| 23:31:00 | Mikachu | well, that's my point, it's crazy |
| 23:31:07 | lostlogic | Slasheri: ping? |
| 23:31:26 | midkay | just noticed amiconn's message and last i checked, 12hour time does not switch am <-> pm at 1:00. |
| 23:31:50 | amiconn | Nope, but the value jumps |
| 23:32:00 | amiconn | 12:59am->1:00 am |
| 23:32:11 | Mikachu | he didn't say it does either |
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| 23:32:19 | lostlogic | midkay: it goes 11:59pm -> 12:00am, counts normally until 12:59am, then cycles to 1:00am, then counts normally to 11:59am, then switches to 12:00pm, then ocunts to 12:59pm, then turns to 1:00pm, then counts to 11:59pm |
| 23:32:34 | midkay | "what" counts/cycles that way? |
| 23:32:42 | t0mas | your watch |
| 23:32:43 | midkay | a clock? |
| 23:32:46 | midkay | yes, agreed.. |
| 23:32:46 | lostlogic | right |
| 23:32:46 | Mikachu | i guess if i convert the number to value%12 first it will make more sense |
| 23:32:49 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:32:53 | midkay | see, i didn't know what you were talking about. :) |
| 23:33:03 | lostlogic | lol |
| 23:33:12 | * | t0mas will stick to 24h formatted GMT |
| 23:33:16 | amiconn | Mikachu: 24->12 hour: |
| 23:33:20 | midkay | if(hour>12 && 12_hr_mode) hour-=12; |
| 23:33:25 | Bagder | now I won't be able to sleep tonight, you've messed up my head! |
| 23:33:29 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 23:33:31 | * | lostlogic uses 24hr in his clocks, but the people around him never understand. |
| 23:33:31 | midkay | Bagder, haha. |
| 23:33:35 | t0mas | I'm going to try it anyway |
| 23:33:37 | amiconn | pm = (h24 >=12); |
| 23:33:47 | amiconn | if (pm) h24 -= 12; |
| 23:33:54 | midkay | Bagder, btw.. on the main page! it says rockbox supports "iRiver", not "iriver". ha. nice going. :) |
| 23:34:11 | Bagder | yeah, we should go to Iriver all over |
| 23:34:15 | amiconn | h12 = (h24-1) % 12 + 1; |
| 23:34:16 | midkay | ew, ew. |
| 23:34:21 | midkay | no. no. iriver. not Iriver. ew. please. |
| 23:34:23 | midkay | forget i said anything. |
| 23:34:24 | midkay | :) |
| 23:34:29 | Mikachu | amiconn: *explodes* |
| 23:34:53 | amiconn | midkay: Iriver is a proper name |
| 23:35:04 | midkay | amiconn, 'proper'? they call themselves iriver. |
| 23:35:27 | amiconn | Afaik a proper name is always capitalized in english |
| 23:35:29 | midkay | if there's one pet peeve i have, it's Ipod instead of ipod or iPod.. it looks so _awfully_ ugly and incorrect.. |
| 23:35:34 | Mikachu | only exception is \latex |
| 23:35:40 | midkay | well, they're going against the language rules, i think.. |
| 23:35:59 | Mikachu | amiconn: how do you write 'van der Haag' at the start of a sentence in english? |
| 23:36:20 | stripwax | the spelling of LaTeX with a tau, epsilon and chi character annoys me more than iPod vs ipod ever could.. |
| 23:36:37 | stripwax | Mikachu - "Van der Haag" presumably |
| 23:37:11 | midkay | stripwax, i've never seen LaTeX spelled with whatever that crap is.. :) |
| 23:37:22 | Mikachu | stripwax: Laτεχ |
| 23:37:33 | amiconn | hrmpf |
| 23:37:43 | amiconn | That looks like gibberish here |
| 23:37:50 | Bagder | here too |
| 23:37:55 | midkay | that doesn't bug me as much as capital I, but.. still rather ew.. |
| 23:37:58 | midkay | i can see it. |
| 23:38:12 | * | Mikachu passes around some utf-8 terminals |
| 23:38:20 | Bagder | irc is not utf8 |
| 23:38:25 | Bagder | it is whatever-you-want |
| 23:38:38 | Mikachu | utf-8 is one of whatever-you-want |
| 23:38:55 | amiconn | Yes, but not the most common |
| 23:39:01 | Bagder | no, that's whatever-you-should-want ;-) |
| 23:39:08 | Mikachu | i can't write greek in anything else than utf-8 |
| 23:39:13 | amiconn | Hehe, probaby |
| 23:39:16 | Mikachu | unless we agree on latin9 or whatever it's in |
| 23:40:04 | Mikachu | is the only greek character in latin1 i think |
| 23:40:43 | amiconn | Bagder: Tell that to ms. I still couldn't figure out how to tell SAPI I want to use utf-8 (from a script), although the engine says it supports utf-8 |
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| 23:41:22 | Bagder | can we sue them? |
| 23:41:25 | Bagder | :-P |
| 23:41:26 | amiconn | I played cheap and used iconv, but that requires unix-ish tools (i.e. cygwin) |
| 23:41:53 | amiconn | Beforel utf-8 a translator only needed perl |
| 23:42:01 | Mikachu | i remember hearing windows uses the system wide encoding or something, that you set in the control panel applet with the globe icon |
| 23:42:22 | amiconn | You can't change the encoding directly |
| 23:42:30 | amiconn | You can only change the locale |
| 23:42:41 | amiconn | ...and afaik there are no locales using utf-8 |
| 23:42:50 | Bagder | iconv exists as win32 port without cygwin too |
| 23:42:56 | * | Mikachu hugs windows |
| 23:43:11 | * | preglow kicks windows in the nuts |
| 23:43:21 | * | preglow rinces and repeats |
| 23:43:27 | Bagder | like here => http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libiconv.htm |
| 23:43:40 | amiconn | Internally, windows uses unicode for a long time (ucs2, since ~1995) |
| 23:43:41 | stripwax | http://www.est.ufpr.br/dicas/img2.png <- is what i was talking about. |
| 23:43:43 | Mikachu | it's sort of amazing how many things you can't do in windows |
| 23:43:45 | preglow | that is, i believe windows was neutered quite some time ago, so this is something of a fruitless effort |
| 23:44:15 | stripwax | amiconn - only NT/2000/XP though, right? Win95, 98 and ME don't use unicode internally afaik. or do they? |
| 23:44:25 | amiconn | They do, partially |
| 23:44:34 | stripwax | ah, neta |
| 23:44:35 | stripwax | neat |
| 23:44:44 | Mikachu | ah yes, it should be written with a capital tau, which is the same as T |
| 23:44:45 | amiconn | ...and there is an unicode addition that can be installed to get full unicode support |
| 23:45:04 | stripwax | Mikachu - 'roughly' ;-) |
| 23:45:12 | Mikachu | http://www.wlug.org.nz/La%CE%A4%CE%B5%CF%87 |
| 23:45:27 | amiconn | stripwax: They have to. VFAT is a win95 'invention' and VFAT filenames are always ucs2 |
| 23:45:39 | Mikachu | like how windows 95c has usb support but doesn't support usb mice? |
| 23:45:42 | stripwax | amiconn - wow, I didn't know that |
| 23:46:27 | Mikachu | amiconn: are you sure? the option for the linux driver is 'utf8' |
| 23:46:30 | sharpe | hello everyone |
| 23:46:36 | amiconn | Mikachu: 100% |
| 23:46:40 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:46:46 | Mikachu | linux people like saying utf8 i think |
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| 23:48:14 | sharpe | try pronouncing it... |
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| 23:48:29 | Mikachu | it's supposed to be pronounced latech |
| 23:48:42 | Mikachu | it's not my fault english has so few sounds |
| 23:48:50 | amiconn | Mikachu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf page 29 at the bottom |
| 23:49:14 | Mikachu | polish has 5 letters that sound like 5 naunces of spitting |
| 23:49:17 | Mikachu | nuance |
| 23:50:22 | sharpe | heh... i get to write a paper on the bubonic plague. |
| 23:50:56 | sharpe | and i know i'll get sidetracked and start working on the c64 emulator |
| 23:51:09 | sharpe | so i'll just start working on it right now, and avoid the sidetracking. |
| 23:51:24 | lostlogic | bagh, why in hell is initial file buffering w/seek broken now? |
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| 23:51:47 | Zoide777 | how hard would it be to do ipod recording through the headphone jack (like in podzilla) in rockbox? could the recording code be a mixture of low-level ipod code from ipodlinux and higher level recording code from rockbox targets like h120? |
| 23:53:38 | lostlogic | Zoide777: that's how a lot of rockbox is done (drivers modified from IPL). |
| 23:53:44 | lostlogic | for the ipod that is |
| 23:54:21 | Zoide777 | ahh, so it's not impossible :) |
| 23:54:50 | Zoide777 | b/c i know there's a lot of code borrowing, but at the same time i keep hearing how the two platforms use different kernels and different etc, etc. |
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| 23:55:38 | lostlogic | Zoide777: yes, the kernels are unique, but the driver code is usually portable enough to share large parts. |
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