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| 00:07:47 | WVU2034 | guys i just have a quick question for the x5 when i go to load the rockbox file in the gui it says rolo loading then executing then does nothing. any suggestions ? |
| 00:08:00 | | Join luckz [0] (i=alcyon@217.160.205.180) |
| 00:08:26 | Bagder | so don't |
| 00:08:37 | luckz | quick question.. can I manually query a non-standard tag field from a .wps, like disc/discnumber or so? |
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| 00:09:04 | * | Bagder runs off to bed |
| 00:09:34 | petur | moo |
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| 00:10:48 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 00:10:56 | WVU2034 | anyone ? |
| 00:11:10 | preglow | what |
| 00:11:21 | preglow | don't load it |
| 00:11:23 | preglow | it's not supported yet |
| 00:12:04 | WVU2034 | so how do i get the wps files to work |
| 00:12:14 | luckz | WVU2034: to work how? |
| 00:12:23 | WVU2034 | display |
| 00:12:32 | luckz | how to browse them or..? |
| 00:12:42 | WVU2034 | well theres a rockbox file |
| 00:12:43 | |Unknown| | hey is Rockbox like a big browser? |
| 00:12:56 | WVU2034 | and i click on that and it wont load on the x5 |
| 00:12:56 | luckz | WVU2034: player? |
| 00:13:01 | luckz | uh |
| 00:13:06 | luckz | that file doesnt do anything |
| 00:13:15 | WVU2034 | o no |
| 00:13:15 | luckz | i took a few hours to find the actual menu, WVU2034 :P |
| 00:13:25 | WVU2034 | o |
| 00:13:30 | luckz | just hold down the stick |
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| 00:13:51 | luckz | that gets you a menu with the first option being playist |
| 00:13:53 | luckz | *playlist |
| 00:13:54 | |Unknown| | where do I put .wad files? |
| 00:14:06 | luckz | then press the REC button |
| 00:14:09 | luckz | and navigate from there |
| 00:14:51 | WVU2034 | k |
| 00:14:54 | WVU2034 | let me try it |
| 00:15:15 | |Unknown| | where do I put .wad files? |
| 00:15:19 | |Unknown| | >.< |
| 00:15:38 | Mikachu | secret! |
| 00:16:00 | |Unknown| | . . . |
| 00:16:47 | preglow | wiki page... |
| 00:16:50 | |Unknown| | wheres this secret |
| 00:17:06 | preglow | what the hell, have we been overrun by people who don't like reading web sites? |
| 00:17:13 | WVU2034 | thanks luckz i appreciate the help |
| 00:17:21 | Mikachu | and people who want to play doom |
| 00:17:36 | WVU2034 | luckz what theme works the best for u |
| 00:18:22 | |Unknown| | put the doom file in a folder called games/doom/ |
| 00:18:41 | |Unknown| | but when i go to Plugins on my iPod and select doom it says Sorry, Not enough base words |
| 00:18:44 | |Unknown| | or something |
| 00:18:54 | sharpe | you need the required wad too. |
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| 00:19:34 | |Unknown| | i did, i put the wad in games/doom/ |
| 00:19:57 | sharpe | sure it's the required one? |
| 00:20:40 | |Unknown| | i downloaded the one from the rockbox site |
| 00:21:31 | RaeNye | Does it matter whether you call it /games/doom/ or /Games/Doom/ ? |
| 00:21:39 | sharpe | no |
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| 00:22:04 | sharpe | |Unknown|: rockdoom.wad ? |
| 00:22:42 | |Unknown| | no |
| 00:22:48 | |Unknown| | well lemme check |
| 00:23:09 | |Unknown| | ya |
| 00:23:12 | |Unknown| | rockdoom.wad |
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| 00:23:19 | |Unknown| | 279 k |
| 00:23:23 | |Unknown| | kb* |
| 00:23:26 | RaeNye | Is any dev alive here? I've just posted my first patch and I want it commited :)) |
| 00:23:49 | sharpe | feature freeze... |
| 00:23:52 | lostlogic | RaeNye: there are dozens of patches on the tracker, is there a particular reason that yours takes first priority? |
| 00:23:59 | RaeNye | it's a bugfix |
| 00:24:16 | sharpe | yay bugs |
| 00:24:37 | lostlogic | RaeNye: link? |
| 00:24:50 | RaeNye | the unstoppable sleep timer one (#5001) |
| 00:25:17 | |Unknown| | so um anyone? |
| 00:26:06 | * | RaeNye points at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5001 |
| 00:26:43 | * | amiconn spotted a bug in the iriver button driver |
| 00:27:07 | * | sharpe spots a bug outside my window. |
| 00:27:45 | amiconn | The iriver button driver wouldn't pick up a main unit button press as long as a remote button is pressed (goes for buttons hooked to adc) |
| 00:28:19 | * | RaeNye is being spotted by bugs from outer space |
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| 00:30:53 | |Unknown| | hey is Rockbox suppose to when you go into it show you all your files? |
| 00:31:38 | * | preglow needs the norwegian equivalent of "tag" :/ |
| 00:31:43 | lostlogic | RaeNye: I approve of your patches in a general sort of way. Is there any way to avoid rounding either direction unless the value is actually changed in the menu? |
| 00:32:10 | preglow | |Unknown|: hey, is you coherent sentence make |
| 00:32:11 | lostlogic | preglow: keyword, metadata? |
| 00:32:45 | preglow | hmm, metadata might work |
| 00:33:37 | RaeNye | I guess the only way would be to make the sleep timer value count seconds instead of minutes, updating step size to 300=5*60 |
| 00:34:09 | luckz | WVU2034: I use a modified S3T_003 |
| 00:34:29 | luckz | I added current time, genre, track number and info about the next track |
| 00:34:35 | preglow | "commiting tagcache" <- THE worst sentence to translate to norwegian |
| 00:34:39 | RaeNye | either that or a ugly patch in sleep_timer that saves the value beforehand and resets it on set_int returning false. |
| 00:34:41 | luckz | not used that extensively |
| 00:34:41 | |Unknown| | hey can you use IpodWizard without losing Linux? |
| 00:35:17 | RaeNye | The problem of this last patch is that you lose the time spent inside set_int's menu |
| 00:36:44 | luckz | does playcounting work? if so, how? |
| 00:37:23 | lostlogic | RaeNye: applied your patches as is, as they are better than the previous behavior for sure. Thanks. |
| 00:37:54 | RaeNye | BTW, does anyone here uses a dark background? if so, do you have a problem with hard-to-see splash messages (e.g., "Shutting down...")? |
| 00:38:11 | RaeNye | lostlogic: no, thank YOU :) |
| 00:38:12 | preglow | lostlogic: remember CREDITS |
| 00:38:17 | lostlogic | preglow: I did!!! |
| 00:38:19 | preglow | ahh |
| 00:38:23 | preglow | i haven't gotten all mails yet |
| 00:38:27 | lostlogic | *bites your finger* |
| 00:38:30 | luckz | I mainly had a problem with not being able to read anything while in a car using a dark background, not fully solved that yet due to lack of time |
| 00:38:34 | * | preglow kicks ass |
| 00:38:53 | lostlogic | RaeNye: yeah, that's a problem, because the splashes and a few other places don't respect all color settings properly |
| 00:38:58 | lostlogic | file a bug? :) |
| 00:39:03 | RaeNye | now if only I could run the UI sim on linux instead of uploading it to the real thing every time.... <sob> |
| 00:39:18 | lostlogic | RaeNye: SDL doesn't work for you? |
| 00:39:32 | lostlogic | RaeNye: I never use the sim myself, but then I may be a bit masochistic |
| 00:39:33 | RaeNye | alsa conf.c segfaults |
| 00:39:47 | lostlogic | RaeNye: try using esd or oss sound? |
| 00:40:10 | RaeNye | I ran the precompiled win32 sim, but my build environment is gentoo |
| 00:40:35 | RaeNye | how? i have alsa oss emulation |
| 00:40:46 | lostlogic | RaeNye: not sure, I'm no SDL expert, it was just a thought. |
| 00:40:55 | |Unknown| | Do you run iBoy through Linux, or Rockbox? or Will it be located in IPL Bootloader? |
| 00:40:59 | * | preglow starts wondering if anyone will ever use this lang file, then reconsiders |
| 00:41:24 | lostlogic | preglow: reconsiders as in stops working on it or stops wondering? |
| 00:41:38 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm sure your sister will use it... if you give her your nano... if you have a sister... |
| 00:42:05 | RaeNye | I want to check whether the problem persists with a uisim that was compiled somewhere else. Anyone has a linux build somewhere over the net? |
| 00:42:30 | lostlogic | RaeNye: why not compile the sim yourself? |
| 00:42:43 | RaeNye | did so. segfaults |
| 00:42:53 | lostlogic | oohhhh |
| 00:43:02 | lostlogic | misunderstood. |
| 00:43:20 | RaeNye | (I want to know whether to blame my runtime env) |
| 00:43:29 | DrumRBoy320|Away | does rockbox for the ipod understand chargers and external batteries? |
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| 00:43:58 | lostlogic | DrumRBoy320|Away: it understands AC charger and USB charge, don't know about batteries |
| 00:44:18 | luckz | so nobody has a clue whether I can in any way show custom tags? |
| 00:44:37 | lostlogic | and on that note, I bike home (just to make preglow jealous again) |
| 00:44:58 | preglow | lostlogic: i've got a half-sister, and she rather fancies my nano... |
| 00:45:05 | lostlogic | :) |
| 00:45:11 | preglow | quite luckily she's in england, so she never sees it |
| 00:45:12 | preglow | i win! |
| 00:45:22 | preglow | oh, and yeah, she doesn't speak norwegian |
| 00:45:22 | preglow | haha |
| 00:46:05 | * | RaeNye is away |
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| 00:50:02 | |Unknown| | hey whats the difference of these 2 files? |
| 00:50:03 | |Unknown| | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip |
| 00:50:14 | |Unknown| | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060405.zip |
| 00:50:29 | luckz | I'd assume the former to be newer |
| 00:50:33 | luckz | well |
| 00:50:35 | luckz | that's the cvs, no? |
| 00:50:54 | luckz | ye |
| 00:51:10 | luckz | basically the second was done at 6 AM GMT, AFAIK |
| 00:51:40 | luckz | the former gets dynamically updated every time somebody changes something |
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| 00:55:01 | |Unknown| | which is better to use? |
| 00:55:44 | midkay | the very latest.. |
| 00:56:14 | |Unknown| | k |
| 00:56:15 | scottder | did the line out for nano get changes....adjustign colume used to adjust output levels on the line out |
| 00:56:19 | scottder | but now it doesn't |
| 00:58:45 | preglow | correct |
| 00:58:48 | preglow | now it's always fixed |
| 00:59:00 | preglow | the way the good lord intended it to be |
| 00:59:00 | scottder | Ah cool :) |
| 00:59:10 | * | scottder buys preglow a beer |
| 00:59:11 | scottder | :) |
| 00:59:14 | midkay | line out on nano? :o |
| 00:59:17 | * | preglow explodes in glee |
| 00:59:32 | scottder | midkay: yup through the doc port |
| 00:59:37 | preglow | finally all this rockbox coding pays off in beer! |
| 00:59:45 | midkay | scottder, ah.. nice. :) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:00 | * | scottder hands preglow white can that simply says "BEER" on the side |
| 01:00:01 | scottder | :) |
| 01:00:17 | scottder | I picked up one that is just a line out....quite nice |
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| 01:02:53 | goffa | scottder: that's not very nice... you should at least go for something that hasn't been filtered through a human :) |
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| 01:04:31 | scottder | Ok |
| 01:04:36 | * | scottder breaks out the Guinness |
| 01:04:37 | scottder | :) |
| 01:04:42 | goffa | that's more like it |
| 01:04:44 | goffa | he he he |
| 01:06:19 | preglow | ghargh |
| 01:06:25 | Zoide777 | I just created a thread in the forums for those of you who might be interested in getting recording to work on the iPod: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3368.0 |
| 01:06:42 | Zoide777 | It's just the start of a project, but I guess at least it's a start |
| 01:06:46 | * | preglow fetches his trusty bottle of gammel dansk to not feel completely left alone |
| 01:06:54 | macncheese | were there tests yet with the h140 for playing video? |
| 01:07:15 | Zoide777 | (though if someone realizes they can hack it up alone in a couple days, by all means go ahead :) ) |
| 01:07:46 | Zoide777 | the more eyes, the better... |
| 01:08:06 | Zoide777 | (and hopefully more finger for typing code too!) |
| 01:08:10 | Zoide777 | *fingers |
| 01:12:37 | macncheese | one more small question, how reliable/precise is the battery time specified in rockbox on h140? |
| 01:13:56 | preglow | not at all |
| 01:14:07 | preglow | it's pure guesswork based on vague uncertanties |
| 01:14:10 | macncheese | that's what i figured heh, it's saying i have 6 hours left |
| 01:14:16 | macncheese | where im more thinking i have about 1 hour left |
| 01:14:21 | macncheese | although i hope it's right :] |
| 01:14:23 | preglow | haha |
| 01:14:38 | preglow | what time you have left is depending on so many factors it's not funny |
| 01:14:47 | preglow | what codec, how many disk access, if you browse around a lot |
| 01:14:47 | preglow | etc |
| 01:15:08 | macncheese | yea, it's a bit off though |
| 01:15:09 | macncheese | (or i am) |
| 01:15:27 | macncheese | i bet playing gameboy games didnt quite help the battery either :O |
| 01:16:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:16:38 | preglow | haha |
| 01:16:49 | preglow | and a sure bet it'd be |
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| 01:17:22 | unknownkind | Hey |
| 01:17:24 | macncheese | once the plasma screensaver kicks in though, you know it has all been worth it |
| 01:17:57 | macncheese | haha there's a chip-8 emulator, that's brilliant |
| 01:18:04 | macncheese | (i'm quite new to rockbox, as you might notice) |
| 01:18:30 | macncheese | well.. i've been following it from even before they started considering the iriver series, but only installed it on my iriver yesterday :) |
| 01:18:32 | unknownkind | Hey why do I get these to errors while loading the modules for linux? Warning - Send text input selected. Make sure a keyboard is attached or select a different input method, Error Unable to connect to MPD |
| 01:18:52 | Zoide777 | I think there is a mistake in the IpodHardwareInfo wiki (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodHardwareInfo) |
| 01:19:05 | Zoide777 | it says that CPU boosting is working fully, but afaik it doesn't work on 4g |
| 01:19:09 | Zoide777 | (grayscale at least) |
| 01:19:10 | macncheese | it's a wiki, go edit it :] |
| 01:19:14 | Zoide777 | oook |
| 01:19:44 | unknownkind | anyone |
| 01:19:45 | unknownkind | ? |
| 01:20:00 | amiconn | Zoide777: You could test whether boosting works on your 4g |
| 01:20:07 | amiconn | That would be interesting in fact |
| 01:20:46 | macncheese | im assuming the base wads it can't find when starting up doom are the base wads that came with the original doom, and werent included for copyright reasons? |
| 01:21:07 | Zoide777 | ok |
| 01:21:17 | Zoide777 | how do i do that? |
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| 01:21:28 | macncheese | or are free wads still available? |
| 01:21:39 | Zoide777 | unknownkind: you're in the wrong forum |
| 01:21:44 | Zoide777 | unknownkind: mpd is for ipodlinux |
| 01:21:55 | Zoide777 | unknownkind: try asking at #ipodlinux |
| 01:22:00 | amiconn | Zoide777: Do you have a develepment environment installed so you can build yourself? |
| 01:22:05 | Zoide777 | yeah |
| 01:23:16 | macncheese | nevermind, figured it out :o |
| 01:24:10 | amiconn | Okay, so open firmware/export/config-ipod4g.h , go to line 97 and remove the // in front of #define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ |
| 01:24:22 | unknownkind | Whats Sorry, you have no base words mean? |
| 01:24:22 | amiconn | Then rebuild and install |
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| 01:24:49 | preglow | unknownkind: what go perhaps #ipodlinux then whatever help get |
| 01:25:02 | amiconn | If it doesn't work, this build will probably crash. You'll then need to revert to your previous build |
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| 01:26:44 | amiconn | Note: You need to unzip the full build when changing this #define, because it changes the plugin/codec api |
| 01:31:17 | sharpe | hmm... cpu emulator works... |
| 01:31:24 | midkay | sharpe, so what use is it?! |
| 01:31:36 | sharpe | correct basic/kernal/char set loaded.. |
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| 01:33:22 | preglow | sharpe: porting something? |
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| 01:37:12 | lostlogic | c64? |
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| 01:37:33 | preglow | sure sounds like it |
| 01:37:44 | preglow | which automatically qualifies the entire effort as a Good Thing |
| 01:37:50 | lostlogic | heck yeah |
| 01:38:14 | * | amiconn wonders how a c64 emulation could be controlled |
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| 01:38:20 | amiconn | keyboard?? |
| 01:38:35 | lostlogic | probably use it in boot-a-rom mode |
| 01:38:39 | lostlogic | to play joystick based games |
| 01:38:42 | preglow | or boot-a-tape |
| 01:39:09 | * | amiconn wants the boing demo ported |
| 01:39:10 | lostlogic | I only had floppy drives and cartridges on my c64 :-P |
| 01:39:17 | * | preglow wants second reality ported |
| 01:39:21 | lostlogic | I just want qbert and frantic freddie |
| 01:39:25 | preglow | lostlogic: i only had tapes and a cart, heh |
| 01:39:45 | sharpe | yeah... i was thinking like have a rom file to load... then it'd start execution from that... |
| 01:39:58 | sharpe | yeah, tis the c64. |
| 01:40:07 | preglow | sharpe: porting a specific emu? |
| 01:40:12 | sharpe | nay |
| 01:40:14 | lostlogic | sharpe: remember homework is overrated... (that's what you're not doing, right?) |
| 01:40:18 | preglow | sharpe: what? |
| 01:40:28 | sharpe | no emulator at all, actually. |
| 01:40:32 | preglow | lostlogic: not only is homework overrated, good grades are too |
| 01:40:48 | lostlogic | preglow: that's right, I know well that D is for Diploma (assuming you use the ABCDF scale) |
| 01:40:52 | sharpe | tis not homework for the next... few days, until i have to actually start it. |
| 01:40:59 | Zoide777 | amiconn: something's wrong. the build hangs at 100% cpu after "gcc -g codepages.c codepage_tables.c -o codepages" |
| 01:41:00 | preglow | lostlogic: that's what we use (most of the time) |
| 01:41:20 | preglow | the norwegian government has had a hard 10 years deciding what to use |
| 01:41:32 | Zoide777 | you people are a terrible influence! leave poor sharpe alone :D |
| 01:41:54 | amiconn | Zoide777: Check your system time, time zone, and the codepages.c and codepage_tables.c time stamps |
| 01:41:55 | lostlogic | hehe, in the US, some schools use ABCDF, some use ABCDE, some use 54321, and some now decide that there is no such thing as not passing :-\ |
| 01:42:05 | preglow | hahaha |
| 01:42:13 | Zoide777 | amiconn: what about them? |
| 01:42:20 | sharpe | hmm... i'm not sure, but... is the kernal supposed to eventually just stop execution at 0x48FF... |
| 01:42:22 | preglow | i've had "Lg, Ng, G, Mg, Sg", "123456", and "ABCDE" |
| 01:42:29 | amiconn | Such effect can be caused by a source file with a future time stamp, causing make to rebuild again and again |
| 01:42:31 | sharpe | element names... :-D |
| 01:42:34 | preglow | nothing like extreme diversity |
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| 01:43:33 | sharpe | it seems as if it stops after 16 opcodes... |
| 01:43:58 | sharpe | er, 22 |
| 01:44:18 | XavierGr | all-right another productive day start for me. :D |
| 01:44:35 | lostlogic | preglow: Lg = Lotsa-good, Ng = Nice-n-good, G = Good, Mg = Moderately-good and Sg = Slightly-good? :-P |
| 01:44:52 | preglow | lostlogic: haha, at least you got the adjective right |
| 01:44:59 | preglow | lostlogic: it's other way around |
| 01:45:17 | preglow | nokså, noe, nothing, meget and særdeles |
| 01:45:18 | Zoide777_ | amiconn: i now tried saving the config-ipod4g file with the date from april 1, but it still hangs |
| 01:45:24 | preglow | which i suspect makes no sense for you |
| 01:45:31 | lostlogic | bagh, the ABCDE ordering on the last set threw me, punk. |
| 01:45:32 | preglow | plus displays several weird characters |
| 01:45:50 | sharpe | what should i implement in the c64 emulator? or, as of right now, 6502 emulator? |
| 01:46:04 | preglow | lostlogic: leading people astray makes me feel superior, sue me |
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| 01:46:16 | lostlogic | :) |
| 01:46:24 | amiconn | Zoide777_: Hmm, did you check codepages.c and codepage_tables.c as well? |
| 01:46:26 | sharpe | ideas anyone? :) |
| 01:46:34 | lostlogic | sharpe: joystick input primarily |
| 01:46:46 | Zoide777_ | amiconn: what should be the relation between their date and that of config-ipod4g? |
| 01:46:50 | sharpe | i mean, other than that... |
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| 01:47:08 | amiconn | Zoide777_: YOu mean if you revert that definition, it works? |
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| 01:47:49 | Zoide777_ | amiconn: i haven't tried without making changes. what i mean is: what is it that i should look for when checking codepages.c and codepage_tables.c? |
| 01:48:04 | amiconn | the file date.... |
| 01:48:12 | Zoide777_ | well, yes, but what about it |
| 01:48:14 | amiconn | It should not be in the future |
| 01:48:21 | Zoide777_ | relative to when? |
| 01:48:25 | amiconn | ...relative to your system time |
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| 01:48:32 | Zoide777 | ok.. |
| 01:49:03 | Zoide777 | oh! i noticed my time was in am instead of am |
| 01:49:08 | Zoide777 | i mean, am instead of pm |
| 01:49:08 | sharpe | oh, wow. okay... |
| 01:50:11 | sharpe | joystick #1 input is at address 0xdc01 |
| 01:51:00 | Zoide777 | amiconn:now it's building correctly |
| 01:51:39 | sharpe | and i've no idea how color ram works, i guess i get to find that out |
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| 01:54:43 | Zoide777 | i've been getting this error when building cvs: "cp: connot stat `/home/rockbox-bleeding/apps/tagnavi.config': No such file or directory |
| 01:54:54 | Zoide777 | i mean, when doing "make zip" |
| 01:55:06 | amiconn | You're not buildinmg from a cvs checjout? |
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| 01:55:19 | Zoide777 | no, from the cvs source file on the website |
| 01:55:32 | Zoide777 | (http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2) |
| 01:55:37 | amiconn | It seems there's a newly introduced file missing in the tarballs. |
| 01:55:41 | XavierGr | I am in the middle of abattery benchmark for the H300 and I can say that the results still seems disappointing. The test started at 15:40 (3:40 pm). It still plays but the battery meter reports another 2 hours of juice. That means that it will barely reach 13 hours of playback. |
| 01:56:21 | XavierGr | 15:40 GMT -2 |
| 01:56:30 | Zoide777 | amiconn: what would that affect? |
| 01:57:02 | amiconn | XavierGr: H300 still has that mysterious power problem. Probably only solvable with measuring equipment and some digging in disassemblies of the stock firmware |
| 01:57:12 | amiconn | Zoide777: That you can't 'make zip' ... |
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| 01:57:27 | Zoide777 | well, it does make the zip after that |
| 01:57:37 | Zoide777 | and it works on the target (except now that i tried cpu boosting) |
| 01:57:59 | Zoide777 | amiconn: The cpu boosting build gives a prefetc abort error on boot |
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| 01:58:12 | amiconn | oops |
| 01:58:28 | amiconn | preglow: Why would cpu boost cause a prefetch abort? |
| 01:58:31 | linuxstb | Yes, I get that sometimes with the CPU boosting. |
| 01:58:37 | Zoide777 | amiconn: Prefetch abort at 60005FFE, and the display is shifted to the left by one letter. Also, there is a 3 on the right side of the screen |
| 01:58:54 | amiconn | Non-preset |
| 01:58:54 | XavierGr | ah and I forgot to say that this is with a custom 1900mah battery |
| 01:59:21 | amiconn | Non-present tagnavi.congig means you can't use the tagcache |
| 01:59:23 | preglow | amiconn: how? |
| 01:59:53 | amiconn | preglow: iPod 4g greyscale with boosting enabled |
| 01:59:56 | preglow | ahh, 4g |
| 01:59:58 | preglow | i don't know |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:00 | amiconn | see a few lines above |
| 02:00:02 | Zoide777 | amiconn: oh, and no wonder i didn't notice the tagcache not working... i only noticed the the tagnavi missing on sim builds where i didn't use tagcache |
| 02:00:04 | preglow | it sounds like the ram is misconfigured |
| 02:00:20 | preglow | the prefetch abort is a tricky exception to understand |
| 02:00:26 | preglow | since it depends so much on internals |
| 02:00:39 | amiconn | preglow: What is at 60005ffe? That looks like some PP register? |
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| 02:00:55 | Zoide777 | preglow: could that ram misconfiguration affect things other than cpu boosting? |
| 02:01:10 | lostlogic | XavierGr: backlight use percentage? type of music? |
| 02:02:02 | preglow | amiconn: it is |
| 02:02:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've just added tagnavi.config to FILES |
| 02:02:18 | preglow | amiconn: that's why you got the prefetch abort, the pp core tosses one if it's about to read from a port |
| 02:02:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: thx |
| 02:02:31 | preglow | or any io reg of any kind |
| 02:02:32 | sharpe | mmm, pizza. |
| 02:02:46 | preglow | Zoide777: sure, but i don't think that's what we're seeing |
| 02:02:50 | XavierGr | 128kbps mp3. Left in a drawer, I just checked once the battery level. So the backlight usage is pretty low. (2-3 times of 15 seconds each) |
| 02:03:00 | preglow | Zoide777: i think perhaps some internal controller is panicing when the pll is reconfigured |
| 02:03:19 | amiconn | preglow: I don't think that can be true. Sure you need to read from "I" IO registers... |
| 02:03:21 | preglow | it would be very nice if linuxstb could do some extensive tests with changing around udelay values... :) |
| 02:03:25 | lostlogic | XavierGr: damn. |
| 02:03:28 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but not code |
| 02:03:41 | linuxstb | preglow: I wouldn't say I've done extensive tests, but I tried a few different values. |
| 02:03:47 | amiconn | True. |
| 02:03:57 | amiconn | preglow: So 'prefetch' implies code? |
| 02:04:01 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 02:04:10 | lostlogic | "execute my damn IO ports!" |
| 02:04:11 | preglow | amiconn: at least i'm fairly certain |
| 02:04:12 | XavierGr | I am in awe, with the same battery rockbox could output 25 hours on H100 |
| 02:04:31 | Zoide777 | do you need me to test changing something to see if it no longer gives the prefetch abort? |
| 02:04:55 | amiconn | linuxstb, preglow: The cpu frequency is programmed once even when boosting is #ifdefed out, correct? |
| 02:05:50 | lostlogic | XavierGr: power drain bugs are great that way :( |
| 02:06:18 | lostlogic | XavierGr: ipod video gets ~6 hours on rockbox in my experience compared to nearly 20 on apple firmware :( |
| 02:06:46 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah |
| 02:06:49 | * | amiconn can't compare to apple fw at all |
| 02:06:51 | XavierGr | 20 on apple firmware? |
| 02:06:55 | preglow | ehh |
| 02:06:56 | preglow | amiconn: yeah |
| 02:07:07 | lostlogic | XavierGr: I've not used the apple firmware, that's just what I've heard... |
| 02:07:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: A suggestion for an interesting experiment: |
| 02:07:24 | preglow | amiconn: you can see the routine that's used for cpu freq programming when boosting is ifdeffed out in system.c |
| 02:07:28 | XavierGr | well apple is known for the false battery readings |
| 02:07:34 | preglow | amiconn: seek for the cpu freq define |
| 02:07:43 | XavierGr | I can't really believe that it would achieve 20 hours |
| 02:07:50 | amiconn | Instead if setting the frequency just once, do the following: |
| 02:07:50 | XavierGr | maybe 16 |
| 02:08:26 | amiconn | ipod_set_cpu_frequency(); sleep(1); ipod_set_cpu_frequency(); |
| 02:09:02 | amiconn | I would expect it to panic too, at least sometimes |
| 02:09:47 | Zoide777 | is there a way of shutting down the ipod while it is plugged into the wall without having it reset right back on? |
| 02:09:52 | preglow | i also got some weird errors sometimes when i just started coding cpu freq chaning |
| 02:10:04 | preglow | but i can't duplicate them now :/ |
| 02:10:19 | preglow | but i do _nothing_ out of the ordinary even now when it works, so godknows |
| 02:11:00 | linuxstb | Zoide777: No - it seems to need to be on to charge. At least, that's how the apple firmware works, so Rockbox does the same. |
| 02:13:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: Trying your suggestion causes an immediate *PANIC* Stkov... |
| 02:13:14 | amiconn | huh? |
| 02:13:24 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: actually, you're right. i had forgotten that even with the apple os, if you try to turn it off while plugged in it goes into the "Charging" screen with the big battery icon |
| 02:13:27 | amiconn | You got *Stkov* from that?? |
| 02:13:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm guessing it's too early to call sleep() |
| 02:13:55 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe |
| 02:14:02 | amiconn | Try a simple delay loop instead |
| 02:14:16 | amiconn | ..or just leave the sleep() out |
| 02:14:17 | preglow | too early? |
| 02:14:18 | linuxstb | Doing that now. We have a udelay() function on the ipods. |
| 02:14:47 | amiconn | Yeah, and ugly inl() and outl() thingies... |
| 02:15:03 | preglow | amiconn: i'm going to weed out those i can (which aren't many) :/ |
| 02:15:10 | linuxstb | Changing the sleep to udelay and it seems to work fine. |
| 02:15:19 | preglow | also, i'm not convinced all the new GPIO defines we have got are truly gpio |
| 02:15:31 | preglow | linuxstb: hmm |
| 02:15:46 | preglow | it almost seems like we're switching back to pll too soon |
| 02:15:49 | preglow | but you've tested that |
| 02:16:52 | linuxstb | I'll try again now. What would suggest for the frequency change udelay? 4000? |
| 02:17:08 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, were you having trouble with doom in the latest cvs build? |
| 02:17:15 | linuxstb | Only on the 5g. |
| 02:17:27 | kkurbjun | what problems were you having? |
| 02:17:37 | preglow | linuxstb: something outrageously high |
| 02:17:40 | linuxstb | The top 80% of the screen has brown lines all over it. |
| 02:18:05 | midkay | linuxstb, i had that too.. |
| 02:18:06 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, trying 100000 |
| 02:18:13 | midkay | linuxstb, it's not quite new. |
| 02:18:20 | amiconn | preglow: It could also be that we're chaging frequency too soon, or we don't disable the pll before switching |
| 02:18:25 | midkay | i had it for the first time almost 24 hours ago.. |
| 02:18:26 | preglow | amiconn: we do |
| 02:18:36 | preglow | amiconn: afaik, at least, it's not easy to say with ipl source code |
| 02:18:43 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, could you try erasing your default.dfg and see if that has any effect? |
| 02:18:48 | amiconn | On coldfire, the cpu must not be clocked from the pll during a frequency change |
| 02:18:52 | preglow | amiconn: the comments you see in system.c is basically just me guessing from prior knowledge about how pll systems work |
| 02:19:18 | kkurbjun | I don't see why the 5g would be having trouble, it works fine in the sim |
| 02:19:21 | preglow | amiconn: but afaik, we switch to xtal before reclocking |
| 02:19:41 | amiconn | The sequence is switch cpu to input clock - change frequency - wait for relock - switch back to pll output clock |
| 02:21:09 | preglow | yes, that's just what i think we do |
| 02:21:19 | preglow | we just udelay for a specific time, though |
| 02:21:23 | preglow | and hope relock is done by then |
| 02:21:43 | * | linuxstb needs to find some files which are not FLAC... |
| 02:21:58 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: i have maaany wavpacks... |
| 02:22:04 | preglow | lostlogic: well said |
| 02:22:19 | lostlogic | ty |
| 02:23:04 | linuxstb | I think it's working.... |
| 02:24:20 | preglow | god, please |
| 02:24:21 | preglow | let it be |
| 02:24:50 | Zoide777 | would this fix the prefetch abort errors? |
| 02:25:18 | scottder | conver them to ogg |
| 02:25:29 | scottder | oggenc can usually take flac files directly too :) |
| 02:25:39 | preglow | i sure as hell hope this works |
| 02:25:47 | preglow | i can think of no other explanation as to why it doesn't |
| 02:26:04 | sharpe | well, it should take... not much effort to implement the joystick in the emulator.. |
| 02:27:14 | sharpe | it seems like all it is, is changing bits on a byte in memory... depending on which directon, or if the button is pressed. |
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| 02:31:01 | XavierGr | is there any possibility that a file in linux is writable but not readable? |
| 02:31:18 | XavierGr | (I mean it doesn't make sense that way) |
| 02:32:03 | kkurbjun | yes, depending on permissions |
| 02:32:23 | XavierGr | but if you are going to write to file you need to read it first so... |
| 02:32:40 | lostlogic | XavierGr: why? you can just write new data to it without reading it |
| 02:33:26 | XavierGr | so if a I have a test.txt and have only write permission |
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| 02:33:40 | XavierGr | doing vi test.txt will output an error rihgt? |
| 02:34:16 | lostlogic | most likely |
| 02:34:20 | lostlogic | why don't you test it? |
| 02:34:49 | XavierGr | yeah better test it. I just read a tutorial on file permissions and the idea came to me |
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| 02:34:54 | preglow | linuxstb: no further news? |
| 02:36:46 | linuxstb | Yes, it seems to be boosting nicely. |
| 02:37:00 | linuxstb | But is there a bug in Rockbox at the moment that leaves the CPU boosted? |
| 02:37:10 | linuxstb | I have to go into the debug screen and reset the boost count. |
| 02:37:26 | linuxstb | Ah, spoke to soon. It's just froze... |
| 02:38:50 | preglow | hmm |
| 02:38:55 | preglow | ghah |
| 02:38:58 | preglow | how freeze? |
| 02:39:41 | linuxstb | It just froze on the WPS, with the backlight still on. |
| 02:40:52 | amiconn | There's a bug in rockbox that *sometimes* leaves the cpu boosted at boot |
| 02:41:06 | amiconn | I bet it's the tagcache code |
| 02:41:19 | linuxstb | And it's just frozen again... |
| 02:41:48 | linuxstb | But before the freeze, it was happilly playing wavpack and boosting at around 40%, with lots of frequency changes. |
| 02:41:59 | amiconn | Maybe we should disable interrupts during a freq change? |
| 02:42:35 | preglow | hmm |
| 02:42:38 | preglow | amiconn: ahhh |
| 02:42:39 | preglow | amiconn: good idea |
| 02:42:48 | linuxstb | But the FIQ is still going... |
| 02:42:53 | preglow | linuxstb: disable that too!!! |
| 02:42:54 | preglow | :-) |
| 02:43:02 | preglow | but no, there's no reason we should |
| 02:43:09 | preglow | the clock is locked to 24mhz |
| 02:43:13 | preglow | all should be well |
| 02:43:21 | preglow | somebody bloody give portalplayer a ring before i implode |
| 02:44:08 | lostlogic | hear hear |
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| 02:46:22 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I tried setting the sound frequency to 44.1KHz in Doom earlier today, and it seemed to work fine on my 4g ipod. |
| 02:46:56 | lostlogic | man, I am just dreading trying to wade through the file buffer filling code to figure out why with my new 'corrected' swcodec stuff it doesn't play on resume (starting a new song, and seeking within a song work) |
| 02:47:47 | preglow | lostlogic: whisky |
| 02:47:51 | preglow | lostlogic: that'll do the trick |
| 02:48:23 | lostlogic | you make a valid point |
| 02:48:28 | lostlogic | *adds whisky to his beverage |
| 02:48:36 | linuxstb | disabling the interrupts didn't help... |
| 02:48:42 | preglow | i didn't expect it would |
| 02:49:12 | linuxstb | Ah, and now my battery is dead... |
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| 02:50:46 | preglow | lostlogic: at any rate you surely need to fearless which probably calls for some strong drink when we're talking about that particular portion of code |
| 02:50:52 | preglow | insert "be" |
| 02:51:12 | preglow | i always read my sentences after having pressed "enter", before? never! |
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| 02:51:32 | amiconn | Wah! My H100 remote does indeed tick when connected to the H300 |
| 02:51:47 | preglow | amiconn: isn't there some hardware mod for that problem? |
| 02:51:51 | lostlogic | hehe :) feeling better already... I'm really tempted to just commit in it's _very_ broken state just so everyone else can feel my pain while I work on it :) |
| 02:52:04 | lostlogic | s/it's/its/ |
| 02:52:06 | amiconn | XavierGr: see, you're right. It depends both on remote & main unit... |
| 02:52:15 | XavierGr | amiconn: see I told you it may tick |
| 02:52:48 | Zoide777 | lostlogic: commit! commit! :D |
| 02:53:00 | XavierGr | strangely enough my original remote (as I said earlier) doesn't tick on my H300 (while it ticks on the H100) or it ticks so low that I can't hear it. |
| 02:53:09 | preglow | my h100 remote doesn't tick the least bit |
| 02:53:36 | lostlogic | Zoide777: you are asking for a world of pain for you and everyone else running rockbox on swcodec |
| 02:53:54 | amiconn | It's a faint ticking here, and it's independent of the volume setting |
| 02:54:12 | XavierGr | amiconn try this: |
| 02:54:53 | XavierGr | go to filetree and move the navi button to the right/lef and hold it. |
| 02:55:23 | XavierGr | it should scroll files until it will reach the end of the list and the ticking will continue to be heard. (as long as you push the button) |
| 02:55:31 | amiconn | Well, it's the remote lcd update |
| 02:55:41 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:56:11 | amiconn | If you put the cursor on a long line in the file browser so that it starts scrolling, and you've set a not too low scroll speed, it will make a hiss |
| 02:56:16 | preglow | amiconn: tried slasheri's anti-ticking? |
| 02:56:23 | amiconn | With low scroll speed it ticks |
| 02:56:35 | amiconn | preglow: Need to make a build with ticking fix enabled |
| 02:57:35 | preglow | amiconn: ahh, right, it's not enabled by default? |
| 02:57:43 | amiconn | Not for H300 |
| 02:58:19 | amiconn | My H140 doesn't tick with the very same remote |
| 02:58:48 | preglow | queer... |
| 02:59:28 | XavierGr | #define HAVE_REMOTE_LCD_TICKING on config-h300.h |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:56 | preglow | then why did i just bloody translate a settings string for it? |
| 03:01:25 | amiconn | ? |
| 03:01:36 | XavierGr | well hooray. then amiconn can make some improvements on the remote now that he can hear it |
| 03:02:02 | preglow | hgahaha |
| 03:06:56 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, so we'll conclude the udelay hack was a flaming wreck, then? |
| 03:12:28 | linuxstb | I'll try again tomorrow... It wasn't a total disaster. |
| 03:15:15 | preglow | bodes well, at least |
| 03:15:20 | preglow | what with the crashing |
| 03:16:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:24:21 | XavierGr | hmm copy paste works on vmware only if the user run vmware-toolbx& and the program is running |
| 03:24:40 | XavierGr | this is something that the manual or FAQs I've read don't mention it. |
| 03:25:18 | XavierGr | I wasted hours and hours trying to figure why it won't work only to discover it by chance. |
| 03:25:26 | * | XavierGr goes to update the wiki |
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| 03:27:01 | sharpe | wow, that may be what's wrong... |
| 03:27:43 | amiconn | XavierGr: 'reduce ticking' does what it says, it reduces the ticking |
| 03:27:52 | amiconn | It's still there, but really faint |
| 03:28:12 | sharpe | anyone else think something may be wrong if the cpu emulator jumps to 0xE2FC instead of FCE2? :D |
| 03:28:12 | amiconn | Stock firmware does also tick |
| 03:28:46 | XavierGr | strange: you just added the define in h300-config? |
| 03:29:05 | XavierGr | yes stock firmware ticks too, it isn;t a rockbox issue. |
| 03:29:53 | lostlogic | I might hafta start hurting myself soon, the buffering logic is beginning to make sense :-\ |
| 03:30:03 | preglow | amiconn: does it seem slower in any way? |
| 03:30:10 | preglow | amiconn: rockbox remote navigation, that is |
| 03:30:17 | amiconn | no |
| 03:30:28 | preglow | ahh, i remember people complaining about that |
| 03:30:29 | amiconn | The ticking fix causes an overall slowdown |
| 03:31:04 | XavierGr | amiconn: if the only thing you did was add the define then I did something seriously wrong when my cousin asked my a modded build with it enabled |
| 03:31:27 | amiconn | E.g. when you scroll a long list, more cpu cycles are used to redraw the remote lcd |
| 03:31:36 | preglow | ahh, yeah, but do you notice it? |
| 03:31:43 | amiconn | This makes it more likely for playback to skip.... |
| 03:31:57 | amiconn | preglow: Not during navigation, no |
| 03:32:23 | amiconn | XavierGr: You need to reset settings. The settings block changes with the ticking fix enabled |
| 03:32:28 | XavierGr | aha |
| 03:32:51 | XavierGr | any ideas on this to make it better? What about those other alternatives you were saying? |
| 03:33:03 | amiconn | preglow: I want to get the ticking fix to work better, while drawing less cpu power |
| 03:33:29 | amiconn | Will still be more than with the fix disabled though |
| 03:34:20 | amiconn | My extra button filtering for H300 seems to work well |
| 03:34:52 | preglow | amiconn: please don't invest too much time into that :) |
| 03:35:35 | amiconn | ? |
| 03:36:17 | amiconn | It annoys me when things don't to what they should. |
| 03:36:44 | amiconn | ..and we need to get things ready for release |
| 03:37:10 | preglow | ahh, sure, but few people uses the remote anyway. it would be better if you had a look at the playback engine ;) |
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| 03:39:48 | preglow | seriously |
| 03:39:54 | preglow | is bluechip drunk? |
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| 03:42:48 | scottder | What about Optifrog support?!?!?! :) |
| 03:42:50 | scottder | Just kidding |
| 03:43:39 | preglow | hahahha |
| 03:43:43 | preglow | _OPTIFROG_ ? |
| 03:43:49 | preglow | you're drunk too |
| 03:43:51 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 03:44:07 | XavierGr | Bluechip is surely drunk |
| 03:44:17 | scottder | http://www.losslessaudio.org/ |
| 03:44:48 | XavierGr | "Honour" is British word. <−−- What's that supposed to mean? |
| 03:45:05 | goffa | heh... it means it has an extra u |
| 03:45:40 | XavierGr | :D |
| 03:46:18 | scottder | Limeys need to learn English ;) |
| 03:46:25 | goffa | yep |
| 03:46:28 | goffa | he he he |
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| 03:47:24 | scottder | next paycheck I may throw a few bucks in the Paypal tip jar for Rockbox :) |
| 03:47:33 | preglow | you don't start fucking reciting custom made poetry on a mailing list unless you're smack high on crack |
| 03:47:43 | preglow | scottder: :-P |
| 03:47:54 | preglow | scottder: would make us all a happy bunch that would |
| 03:48:11 | scottder | Nonono....if yer gonna stick yer tongue out |
| 03:48:14 | scottder | :) |
| 03:48:15 | goffa | custom made poetry? who, what, where? |
| 03:48:49 | scottder | I think preglow is drunk |
| 03:49:02 | lostlogic | I'm working on getting that way :-P |
| 03:49:04 | preglow | goffa: on the dev-list |
| 03:49:07 | goffa | i put a measly $50 in the tip jar.. and then i made an offer that aparently they could all refuse |
| 03:49:10 | preglow | scottder: i'm just slightly drunk... |
| 03:49:10 | goffa | ok |
| 03:49:49 | lostlogic | bagh, issues with track skipping not always skipping, but initial seek works. |
| 03:50:14 | XavierGr | lostlogic: about the 'pops' 'clicks: |
| 03:50:18 | preglow | scottder: still, don't keep my alcoholic tendencies from making you donate |
| 03:50:36 | goffa | yeah.. tip money=beer money :P |
| 03:50:54 | preglow | hahah |
| 03:51:00 | preglow | i wish i had direct access to the donation money |
| 03:51:07 | lostlogic | goffa: there was i ndeed a lot of free beer at devcon2006... ::shiftyeyes:: |
| 03:51:18 | XavierGr | it seems to me that they occur when I press /right/left to change track (though not always) while selecting another track from the filetree is nearlt glitchless. |
| 03:51:41 | lostlogic | XavierGr: if I can get track skipping to NOT SUCK I think my next commit will help with such things |
| 03:51:51 | XavierGr | ok nice :) |
| 03:51:55 | preglow | lostlogic: and the very best of luck to you |
| 03:52:11 | sharpe | well, i figured out what was wrong |
| 03:52:16 | lostlogic | preglow: cheers, good lookin' out on the whisky => better coding mindset thought :) |
| 03:53:01 | goffa | lol... my mom is telling my sister not to smuggle cigarettes across state lines |
| 03:53:41 | goffa | they are cheaper in north dakota... and montana has a law that cigarettes need to have a tax stamp |
| 03:53:47 | preglow | lostlogic: ahahaha, i gave up on coding four hours ago |
| 03:54:01 | preglow | and you'll all benefit from my doing so |
| 03:54:14 | lostlogic | preglow: it's only 20:53 here, so I've still got some code left in me :) |
| 03:55:17 | lostlogic | damn, buffer filling causes skips still, but I think that's going to be a case of "I can commit with that problem" |
| 03:55:28 | preglow | pwned by gammel dansk |
| 03:56:30 | Zoide777 | amiconn: how's grayscale lib going? |
| 03:56:31 | scottder | preglow: Paypal won't let me pay in bottles of jack Daniels...sorry |
| 03:56:39 | scottder | maybe Mad Dog 2020 |
| 03:56:42 | linuxstb | scottder: You'll have to persuade the author to open source Optimfrog first... |
| 03:56:57 | goffa | he he he... wonder what the exchange is $$ to jack |
| 03:56:58 | scottder | linuxstb: hehe I was just kidding :) |
| 03:57:23 | preglow | scottder: i've got plenty of alternate payment methods handy! |
| 03:57:41 | scottder | ;) |
| 03:57:49 | lostlogic | preglow: glasses? |
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| 03:59:01 | preglow | lostlogic: no, i've got good eyesight |
| 03:59:12 | preglow | lostlogic: what were you asking, really? :) |
| 03:59:30 | scottder | preglow: could give a whole new meaning to "feature bounties" |
| 04:00 |
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| 04:00:34 | lostlogic | lostlogic: alternate methos of receiving payment in whisky |
| 04:00:49 | preglow | scottder: a new revolution in open source, this is |
| 04:01:01 | scottder | lostlogic: talking to yourself is a sign you've had too much already |
| 04:01:02 | scottder | :) |
| 04:01:03 | preglow | lostlogic: you just passed drunk hurdle level 1 |
| 04:01:09 | scottder | jinx |
| 04:01:10 | scottder | :) |
| 04:02:50 | preglow | oh, but we're really a decent bunch of people |
| 04:02:58 | preglow | that's why you should donate |
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| 04:03:44 | lostlogic | hmm... file reading is a synchronous operation? no DMA? :( |
| 04:03:47 | lostlogic | this saddens me |
| 04:04:20 | preglow | someone (probably amiconn) was planning dma |
| 04:04:22 | | Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) |
| 04:05:25 | scottder | I've been playing around with vorbis....encoded an album at Q3, still sounds pretty good to me |
| 04:05:52 | lostlogic | *nod* if file reading was non-blocking, the problems with CPU resource collision between codec and buffer threads would go byebye |
| 04:06:11 | lostlogic | not that this helps me solve my "skipping changes tracks, maybe" problem. |
| 04:06:24 | preglow | scottder: q3 should be just fine |
| 04:06:34 | preglow | scottder: vorbis is actually faster than mp3 on ipod |
| 04:07:46 | preglow | lostlogic: what's the time? |
| 04:07:59 | scottder | faster? |
| 04:08:27 | scottder | I've been pretty happy with battery life....as long as i make it through my shift, it's all good :) |
| 04:08:35 | preglow | scottder: haha |
| 04:08:49 | preglow | scottder: as in ogg will give you more out of your battery than mp3 now |
| 04:09:29 | lostlogic | preglow: 21:08 |
| 04:09:49 | scottder | Sweet :) |
| 04:10:06 | scottder | especially at q3 :) |
| 04:10:49 | preglow | ahh |
| 04:11:07 | preglow | approximately nine hours behind me, then |
| 04:11:29 | preglow | s/approximately/accuratecly/ |
| 04:11:35 | * | preglow rests his case |
| 04:12:00 | Galois | scottder: if you haven't already, you might want to try the aotuv vorbis encoder. It has better sound quality than the standard encoder, especially for quality between -2 and 2. http://rarewares.org/ogg.html |
| 04:12:07 | sharpe | ahh!! swapping bytes in a word... |
| 04:12:13 | Galois | even at q3, there should be some slight improvement |
| 04:12:46 | preglow | sharpe: what aout it? |
| 04:12:57 | lostlogic | there is an aotuv useflag for the libvorbis package in Gentoo Linux (courtesy of yours truly) ;) |
| 04:12:59 | scottder | Galois: that's what I use :) |
| 04:13:20 | sharpe | preglow: it doesn't like me. |
| 04:13:22 | Galois | in the sept. 2005 guruboolez test, aotuv at q3 beat lame mp3 at 128k for rock/pop |
| 04:13:51 | preglow | sharpe: rockbox has macros for doing it... |
| 04:14:08 | sharpe | oh my god. |
| 04:14:13 | preglow | oh your gox |
| 04:14:14 | preglow | d |
| 04:14:14 | lostlogic | Galois: the code as of sep 2005 should be in the libvorbis mainstream at this point, I believe... |
| 04:14:21 | lostlogic | can't remember exactly when they last merged |
| 04:14:26 | sharpe | yeah, my god. not yours. hah! get your own! :D |
| 04:14:38 | sharpe | preglow, what would those macros be? |
| 04:14:56 | Galois | they merged aotuv beta2 last year, and haven't synced since. In the last xiph.org irc meeting there was talk of syncing up again. |
| 04:15:10 | Galois | that meeting was only a couple of weeks ago, I believe |
| 04:15:18 | lostlogic | Galois: ah, my mistake. |
| 04:16:09 | preglow | sharpe: swap32 and wsap16 |
| 04:16:40 | Galois | http://www.xiph.org/minutes/2006/03/200603_meeting.txt |
| 04:16:47 | sharpe | preglow: thank you. |
| 04:16:50 | Galois | oops, five weeks ago |
| 04:18:25 | pussfeller | whats this data abort at 0001642c |
| 04:18:40 | pussfeller | is that a ref to a place in memory thats usefull at all |
| 04:19:03 | | Join Doomed [0] (n=nnscript@ool-44c53f18.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:19:07 | Doomed | hey |
| 04:19:22 | Doomed | there is still a problem with track numbering in tagcache |
| 04:19:29 | preglow | sharpe: oh, you're welcome |
| 04:20:05 | Doomed | just letting u guys no |
| 04:20:22 | preglow | Doomed: we know |
| 04:20:26 | Doomed | lol |
| 04:20:30 | scottder | OggEnc v2.81 (Lancer 20060302(SSE) based on aoTuV |
| 04:20:31 | scottder | :) |
| 04:20:53 | Doomed | idk if it was attempted to be solved since last i was in here |
| 04:20:54 | Galois | hey lancer is not too bad |
| 04:20:55 | pussfeller | well tagcache crashes on me when I scroll up and down real fast |
| 04:21:01 | Galois | I still use ordinary aotuv, though |
| 04:21:09 | scottder | I rip to flac then transcode with that to ogg |
| 04:21:13 | scottder | VERY fast |
| 04:21:19 | scottder | 23x for me most of the time |
| 04:21:25 | Galois | amd64? |
| 04:21:29 | scottder | Nope |
| 04:21:45 | Galois | audio encoding benefits a lot from 64-bit |
| 04:21:52 | scottder | 32bit AMD 3000+ |
| 04:23:50 | scottder | Does the job for me |
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| 04:24:05 | scottder | I am sure I'll go 64bit next time I upgrade my windows box |
| 04:24:11 | Galois | I'd use the 20060331 version if I were you |
| 04:24:48 | warthawg | if i download a newer version of rockbox than i already have installed on my nano, do i need to go thru the entire install again, or can i just copy the .rockbox directory over? |
| 04:25:08 | Doomed | just unzip |
| 04:25:09 | Galois | copy both the .rockbox dir and the rockbox.ipod file |
| 04:25:17 | Doomed | the zip to ur nano |
| 04:25:19 | warthawg | tks, guys |
| 04:25:47 | scottder | Galois: was that to me? |
| 04:26:11 | sharpe | ahh... |
| 04:26:17 | Galois | scottder: yeah |
| 04:26:27 | sharpe | how does one get 0x6c60 out of 0xfce2... |
| 04:26:55 | scottder | AHh didn't notice there was a new version out |
| 04:26:56 | scottder | thanks :) |
| 04:28:17 | Doomed | WHY? |
| 04:29:34 | sharpe | okay, very strange... |
| 04:31:29 | sharpe | i wonder if this works. |
| 04:32:48 | sharpe | :( |
| 04:34:56 | preglow | i need to sleep |
| 04:35:20 | sharpe | then you should probably sleep. |
| 04:35:46 | sharpe | okay... |
| 04:35:55 | sharpe | something still doesn't like me :) |
| 04:35:59 | preglow | haha |
| 04:36:57 | sharpe | 0xECF2, should be 0xF2EC... however, it apparantly is now 0x6C60 |
| 04:37:07 | preglow | rockbox code has had years to learn how to be hostile |
| 04:37:16 | preglow | and new code learns quick |
| 04:37:34 | sharpe | and it wasn't even rockbox's that did it first, when i tried, i got similar results. |
| 04:37:53 | preglow | like i said |
| 04:37:54 | preglow | it learns fast |
| 04:38:02 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:38:06 | sharpe | polymorphic code! |
| 04:38:20 | preglow | welcome to the wonderful world of embedded coding |
| 04:39:19 | scottder | preglow: code darwinism? :) |
| 04:39:58 | preglow | hahaha |
| 04:40:28 | Doomed | what the hell, its not showing me my db |
| 04:40:33 | sharpe | hmm, i wonder if this will work. |
| 04:41:28 | sharpe | doubt it, but still... |
| 04:42:50 | sharpe | well, back to where i started, except instead of a void pointer, now it's a char pointer. |
| 04:43:56 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:45:04 | XavierGr | '+' = addition then '-' = ? |
| 04:45:07 | preglow | solid progress |
| 04:45:11 | XavierGr | I don't remember the word |
| 04:45:16 | preglow | subtractionm |
| 04:45:17 | sharpe | subtraction? |
| 04:45:18 | preglow | ehh |
| 04:45:21 | preglow | subtraction |
| 04:45:22 | preglow | yes |
| 04:45:29 | XavierGr | ok 10x |
| 04:45:50 | scottder | werid. that 20060331 version con't convert flac on the command line :( |
| 04:46:24 | Doomed | i dont even get the tagcache menu |
| 04:50:17 | sharpe | still no success, oh well, sleep time. |
| 04:52:24 | Zoide777 | Doomed: did you reboot after forcing a tagcache update? |
| 04:52:40 | Zoide777 | (even after it finishes the forced update, you have to reboot so that it will "commit" the new db) |
| 04:53:46 | Doomed | yeah i just unzipped the same cvs |
| 04:53:46 | Zoide777 | (or at least that's how it works for me) |
| 04:54:29 | Zoide777 | hmm.... i don't know what it could be |
| 04:55:11 | Zoide777 | maybe one of the other 94 people in the channel can help you? (though I'd say 90% of them never say anything... very creepy) |
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| 04:56:28 | midkay | Doomed, what's up? |
| 04:56:34 | Doomed | nothin |
| 04:56:40 | Doomed | i fixed it |
| 04:56:41 | Doomed | lol |
| 04:57:09 | midkay | good. |
| 04:57:11 | midkay | :) |
| 04:57:28 | Doomed | lol |
| 04:57:36 | Doomed | i think i did |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:08 | Zoide777 | good |
| 05:00:38 | midkay | good _enough_.. |
| 05:00:39 | midkay | :) |
| 05:00:51 | scottder | weird I grabbed the latest lancer version dbpoweramp is showing it as an version from 2003 |
| 05:01:16 | Galois | I trust ogginfo on such matters |
| 05:01:16 | scottder | tool = Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 |
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| 05:02:11 | nave7693 | hi rockbox is not making for me |
| 05:03:27 | nave7693 | gcc uclpack.o src/libucl.a -o ../uclpack |
| 05:03:27 | nave7693 | src/libucl.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one |
| 05:03:27 | nave7693 | sh-elf-ranlib is called on libucl so I am wondering what's up |
| 05:07:25 | nave7693 | anyone alive? |
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| 05:11:12 | FalloutMan | hey guys |
| 05:11:42 | FalloutMan | does anyone know how to build a playlist on an ipod? |
| 05:12:36 | midkay | FalloutMan, a custom one, or one of a directory? or how to create one, or what? |
| 05:13:01 | FalloutMan | i dunno, i just need guidence from step A onward |
| 05:13:41 | midkay | so you want to create a playlist of tracks you select or what? |
| 05:13:45 | FalloutMan | yeah |
| 05:14:50 | midkay | locate the first song you want, hold SELECT on it and choose "playlist" -> "insert". it will begin playing. press select while it's playing to get back to the browser, keep locating the songs you want, holding select and "insert"ing until it's got the tracks you want... then go to menu - playlist options - save playlist (gotta double check that last bit) |
| 05:15:03 | midkay | you can reorder tracks from the playlist viewer also.. |
| 05:15:30 | FalloutMan | thanks a bunch |
| 05:15:36 | midkay | "save current playlist", yeah. |
| 05:15:39 | midkay | np.. |
| 05:15:56 | lostlogic | don't we have a user's manual that has stuff like this in it? |
| 05:16:07 | FalloutMan | no |
| 05:16:15 | FalloutMan | the manual is so confusing |
| 05:16:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:16:54 | midkay | lostlogic, we have way too many :) |
| 05:17:04 | midkay | a wiki manual, a 2.4 manual, a latex manual.. |
| 05:17:28 | lostlogic | well the latex manual is the most up-to-date, yes? |
| 05:17:35 | midkay | lostlogic, right.. |
| 05:17:40 | midkay | but also the hardest to access, i think. |
| 05:17:50 | lostlogic | ah, someone was talkinga bout doing weekly pdf builds ofit? |
| 05:17:56 | midkay | you have to compile it yourself, i think.. so most people who need it can't really get to it. |
| 05:18:02 | midkay | so they don't know where to look.. |
| 05:18:04 | XavierGr | H300 stopped at 6:16am |
| 05:18:09 | XavierGr | from 15:40 |
| 05:18:19 | midkay | XavierGr, doing/playing what? |
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| 05:18:33 | XavierGr | 128kbps with 1900mah battery on repeat |
| 05:18:47 | midkay | wow.. |
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| 05:20:14 | XavierGr | ouch |
| 05:20:29 | XavierGr | battery_bench didn't report anything |
| 05:20:34 | XavierGr | not a single measurement |
| 05:20:55 | midkay | :E |
| 05:21:18 | XavierGr | at least I managed to time it myself |
| 05:24:01 | midkay | XavierGr, well, that's quite impressive, i think. :) |
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| 05:24:28 | XavierGr | I don't think so |
| 05:24:34 | XavierGr | the battery is 1900mah |
| 05:24:35 | stevenm | Hey all |
| 05:24:42 | stevenm | What's the whole deal with the gl thing? |
| 05:24:47 | XavierGr | H100 managed 25 hours on rockbox |
| 05:24:57 | Doomed | nice |
| 05:24:58 | XavierGr | while H300 just managed 14:40 |
| 05:25:09 | midkay | XavierGr, color screen... |
| 05:25:20 | goffa | XavierGr: what coodec... and did you mess with it while it was going? |
| 05:25:23 | midkay | though it shouldn't make that huge a difference, 15 hours is definitely nothing to complain about.. |
| 05:25:30 | midkay | imo. |
| 05:25:38 | XavierGr | the screen was not activated (except 2-3 times) during benchmark |
| 05:25:42 | Doomed | H100 needs a better greyscale for doom |
| 05:26:05 | midkay | Doomed, as though it should be running doom at all.. |
| 05:26:10 | XavierGr | midkay: again, the test is with a 1900mah bettery |
| 05:26:16 | XavierGr | not with the default |
| 05:26:19 | Doomed | i no, im just saying |
| 05:26:27 | midkay | XavierGr, my archos recorder couldn't pull nearly that, i think, with those batteries. |
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| 05:26:36 | midkay | and its LCD is considerably smaller, it's much slower.. |
| 05:26:40 | midkay | but the buffer is a killer, 2mb.. |
| 05:26:49 | XavierGr | yes but iriver firmware can make it play more. |
| 05:26:58 | goffa | all i have to say about iaudio x5l is 35 hours .. my ass |
| 05:27:00 | XavierGr | so something is wrong as Linus has said |
| 05:27:03 | goffa | its close to 20 or so |
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| 05:27:13 | midkay | XavierGr, how much more? |
| 05:27:16 | goffa | but seems to be the same with rockbox or iaudio firmware |
| 05:27:39 | XavierGr | midkay: at least 14-15 hours with a normal battery |
| 05:27:54 | goffa | hard to do an exact comparrison though... because i have a bunch of mpcs on the player now |
| 05:27:56 | midkay | how is that more? looks the same-or-slightly-less. |
| 05:27:57 | XavierGr | but my next test will be on default firmware |
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| 05:28:06 | midkay | oh. never mind. |
| 05:28:12 | midkay | i'd like to hear your results.. |
| 05:28:21 | goffa | and iaudio firmware does't support mpc |
| 05:28:30 | goffa | but i suspect mpc being in between mp3 and ogg |
| 05:28:34 | XavierGr | I will keep them updated along with the other on IriverRuntime in the wiki |
| 05:28:42 | midkay | XavierGr, cool. |
| 05:28:56 | nave7693 | midkay: how long does your archos last in a full charge |
| 05:29:16 | midkay | nave7693, god, it's been too long, and my batteries are too old to say.. |
| 05:29:27 | midkay | when they were new, 2050mah i think.. probably 11-12 hours.. |
| 05:29:38 | nave7693 | wow |
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| 05:29:45 | midkay | maybe less, really can't remember.. |
| 05:29:57 | midkay | sounds about right though.. or what should be expected. |
| 05:30:05 | nave7693 | mine goes 3~4 with brand new 2500 energizers |
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| 05:30:11 | midkay | nave7693, wtf? |
| 05:30:16 | nave7693 | yea wtf. |
| 05:30:25 | XavierGr | Rob are you here? |
| 05:30:28 | midkay | well, i haven't used it lately. it actually seems to be way _slower_ than it used to be.. |
| 05:30:29 | | Quit imphasing (Client Quit) |
| 05:30:38 | midkay | before all the iriver/iPod/iAudio ports started.. |
| 05:30:46 | midkay | loading dirs, buffering, navigation.. |
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| 05:31:29 | goffa | that's scary...because rockbox is lightyears faster than the original iaudio firmware |
| 05:31:35 | nave7693 | newer versions just seem to last shorter and shorter... |
| 05:32:04 | scottder | Know whats great |
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| 05:32:15 | scottder | finding a co-workers embarassing MySpace page :) |
| 05:33:06 | goffa | lol... you should have preluded that with new keyboard $20... internet connection $70... finding your coworker's embarassing page on myspace... priceless |
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| 05:33:32 | goffa | followed by the url :) |
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| 05:35:08 | nave7693 | sigh seems like it's time for me to ditch my trusty archos and go with a newer player |
| 05:35:37 | Doomed | i like my H120 |
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| 05:36:25 | midkay | nave7693, agreed.. |
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| 05:36:32 | goffa | i'm tempted to get a second 340 so i can pack around more tunes |
| 05:36:44 | midkay | nave7693, do you agree that it seems to browse, load and generally _go_ slower than it used to? |
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| 05:40:00 | [C]Boomstick | hello |
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| 05:40:40 | nave7693 | midkay: that's true, but maybe it's because I am using unicode fonts |
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| 05:41:21 | nave7693 | midkay: it has to be slower because of the added features |
| 05:41:21 | midkay | nave7693, it's possible.. |
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| 05:41:33 | midkay | nave7693, which? there isn't anything majorly new. |
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| 05:41:41 | NJoin | vHs [0] (n=vincent@speelplaats.net) |
| 05:42:57 | nave7693 | midkay: there's support for other players now, when rockbox becomes not specific to archos it adds overhead |
| 05:43:53 | midkay | nave7693, stuff that doesn't apply to the archos is, for the most part, not compiled for the archos. |
| 05:43:58 | midkay | most of it the archos can't even handle. |
| 05:44:18 | nave7693 | as long as there's shared code... I guess |
| 05:44:26 | midkay | that's not really how it works. |
| 05:44:46 | nave7693 | some things can be done differetly that get generalized |
| 05:44:56 | midkay | i'm not sure if you're familiar with rockbox's code, but the compiler simply doesn't compile stuff that doesn't pertain, as long as it's told not to, and it most often is. |
| 05:45:14 | midkay | most often is told not to, that is.. |
| 05:45:24 | XavierGr | ah shit. I know why the benchmark didn't work |
| 05:45:24 | nave7693 | ok |
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| 05:45:43 | midkay | XavierGr, why? |
| 05:45:43 | nave7693 | and somebody please fix the build lol |
| 05:45:44 | XavierGr | I got a version of the plugin with a bug that relates ti the new tagcache |
| 05:45:54 | midkay | ah.. |
| 05:46:01 | XavierGr | this bug was fixed today but I forgot to update |
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| 05:46:10 | midkay | nave7693, 'fix the build'? |
| 05:46:26 | warthawg_ | where is the games folder? |
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| 05:46:54 | midkay | warthawg_, it doesn't exist unless you make it, if you're talking about for doom. |
| 05:47:00 | warthawg_ | midkay |
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| 05:47:10 | warthawg_ | yes, i am. |
| 05:47:18 | midkay | warthawg_, where are you reading about it? |
| 05:47:22 | nave7693 | midkay: I can't build the CVS for archos |
| 05:47:25 | warthawg_ | in the forum |
| 05:47:45 | nave7693 | midkay: actually its uclpack |
| 05:48:00 | midkay | nave7693, rockbox seems to be able to compile itself just fine.. |
| 05:48:08 | midkay | warthawg_, you need to create it yourself. that's not the best source of info anyways.. |
| 05:48:21 | nave7693 | midkay: can you update and try make veryclean and make? |
| 05:48:32 | warthawg_ | tks, midkay |
| 05:48:38 | midkay | nave7693, alright. |
| 05:48:42 | nave7693 | oh make sure you run configure to update the makefile |
| 05:48:48 | warthawg_ | just create /games/doom/addons and drop the wad(s) in there? |
| 05:48:58 | midkay | if it's an 'addon', yes.. |
| 05:49:12 | midkay | nave7693, standard recorder, right? |
| 05:49:18 | nave7693 | midkay: yes |
| 05:49:24 | warthawg_ | i guess i don't know if it is or not |
| 05:49:31 | midkay | nave7693, works for me. |
| 05:49:36 | midkay | or seems to.. |
| 05:49:53 | midkay | wait.. |
| 05:49:56 | midkay | yep, worked. |
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| 05:50:07 | nave7693 | midkay: does it compile uclpack fine? |
| 05:50:25 | nave7693 | what ar and ranlib does it call on libucl.a? |
| 05:50:26 | midkay | nave7693, it was probably already compiled from before. but there were no errors.. |
| 05:50:48 | nave7693 | make veryclean should clean everything so you recompile all tools |
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| 05:51:36 | midkay | sh-elf-ranlib libucl.a |
| 05:52:11 | nave7693 | what does it use to link |
| 05:52:19 | nave7693 | to produce uclpack? |
| 05:52:25 | nave7693 | gcc? |
| 05:52:35 | midkay | yes.. |
| 05:52:42 | nave7693 | hmm |
| 05:52:57 | nave7693 | can you type "which gcc"? |
| 05:53:21 | midkay | /usr/bin/gcc |
| 05:53:33 | midkay | it's 3.3.6 |
| 05:53:40 | midkay | for this.. |
| 05:53:47 | nave7693 | so it's the sh1 gcc |
| 05:53:59 | midkay | yes, that's what you need for recorder building.. |
| 05:54:13 | nave7693 | midkay: in my machine it is sh-elf-gcc |
| 05:54:16 | | Quit [C]Boomstick ("Knowing and not doing are equal to not knowing at all.") |
| 05:54:22 | midkay | nave7693, well, mine too.. |
| 05:54:31 | nave7693 | which the makefile should really use |
| 05:54:32 | midkay | 'sh1 gcc' == 'sh-elf-gcc', no? |
| 05:54:36 | nave7693 | yea |
| 05:54:40 | midkay | same for me. |
| 05:54:45 | nave7693 | but "gcc" != "sh-elf-gcc" |
| 05:54:53 | nave7693 | gcc is the host's compiler |
| 05:54:57 | midkay | Using sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6 (303) |
| 05:55:05 | nave7693 | says on mine too... |
| 05:55:07 | midkay | nave7693, ... right....? |
| 05:55:22 | midkay | why did you ask about gcc if you wanted to know about sh-elf-gcc? |
| 05:55:47 | midkay | this is the vmware image.. |
| 05:56:06 | midkay | be back in ~5 minutes. |
| 05:56:10 | nave7693 | because the makefile is calling gcc |
| 05:56:20 | nave7693 | which it sould really call sh-elf-gcc |
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| 06:01:52 | midkay | nave7693, not for me.. |
| 06:02:01 | webguest18 | how do i get to the menu where u can select which files to show on a g5? |
| 06:02:14 | midkay | hold menu, or menu - general settings - file view - show files. |
| 06:02:31 | webguest18 | thanks |
| 06:02:56 | nave7693 | midkay: maybe your gcc is linked sh-elf-gcc |
| 06:03:00 | nave7693 | mine is not |
| 06:03:05 | midkay | nave7693, probably. |
| 06:03:11 | midkay | i've never had a problem. is this recent or what? |
| 06:03:29 | webguest18 | how do i get it to show all files? |
| 06:03:37 | midkay | webguest18, from where? |
| 06:03:43 | webguest18 | nvm |
| 06:03:47 | midkay | press play (downwards) from the quick screen.. |
| 06:03:49 | midkay | alright. |
| 06:05:13 | lostlogic | well I'm going to do my famous late evening playback breakage and go-to-sleep commit act. |
| 06:06:40 | nave7693 | man this is annoying. |
| 06:07:08 | nave7693 | some of the tools are meant to be built with the host's gcc and others built by sh-elf-gcc |
| 06:07:24 | nave7693 | otherwise they can't be executed by the host |
| 06:07:33 | lostlogic | nave7693: and the build system should detect and use the right ones, if you have sh-elf-gcc and host-gcc in your path |
| 06:07:51 | nave7693 | lostlogic: uclpack is not using the right one |
| 06:08:03 | lostlogic | swcodec people, please test, and email, /msg, or flyspray me the new bugs. |
| 06:08:12 | lostlogic | nave7693: have you re-run configure recently? |
| 06:08:28 | nave7693 | lostlogic: I rerun it on every cvs update |
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| 06:08:57 | lostlogic | nave7693: that is quite odd... what host and target are you building? |
| 06:09:46 | nave7693 | host is x86 windows/cygwin, target is sh-elf |
| 06:09:56 | lostlogic | I mean what player specifically |
| 06:10:04 | nave7693 | archos recorder 2MB |
| 06:10:46 | nave7693 | the problem apparently is not in rockbox itself but the uclpack tool |
| 06:10:57 | lostlogic | can you paste the results of gcc -dumpversion and sh-elf-gcc -dumpversion here? |
| 06:11:13 | nave7693 | it is getting linked by the host's gcc which does not know about the results by sh-elf-ranlib. |
| 06:11:17 | nave7693 | sure just a sec |
| 06:11:59 | lostlogic | also ranlib -v and sh-elf-ranlib -v (jus tthe first line) |
| 06:12:22 | nave7693 | 3.4.4 for host and 3.3.6 for sh-elf-gcc |
| 06:12:39 | nave7693 | GNU ranlib 2.16.91 20050610 |
| 06:12:51 | nave7693 | GNU ranlib 2.16.1 |
| 06:12:57 | nave7693 | first one is host |
| 06:13:16 | lostlogic | damn, I was hoping to see an old ranlib on one of those to point a finger at :( |
| 06:13:23 | nave7693 | heh |
| 06:13:31 | nave7693 | you don't find that with redhat's stuff :P |
| 06:13:56 | lostlogic | on my build server (which is one of the CVS Build machines) I have 3.4.5, 3.4.5 and 2.16.1, 2.16.1, but I can't imagine that'd matter. |
| 06:15:26 | lostlogic | w00t! look at that green build table, I was thinking I might be the one to break that streak with this latest commit ;-P |
| 06:16:04 | nave7693 | does the build server do a complete build every time? |
| 06:16:29 | lostlogic | yeah, and I just ran clean builds of 3 targets separately from the build system, no problems. |
| 06:16:39 | lostlogic | but these are all linux machines, not cygwin\ |
| 06:17:07 | nave7693 | can you see what gcc is getting called to link uclpack? |
| 06:17:14 | nave7693 | I mean which gcc |
| 06:19:19 | lostlogic | lemme see |
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| 06:21:40 | lostlogic | the command run for uclpack is "gcc" whichis hostcc |
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| 06:23:28 | nave7693 | so your gcc knows about sh-elf libs... |
| 06:23:59 | lostlogic | hmph. I guess so. |
| 06:24:13 | lostlogic | but I think it's more likely a binutils issue than GCC |
| 06:24:30 | lostlogic | anywho, I must sleep, nothing seems to be burning down as a result of my latest commit, so it's a good time for it. |
| 06:24:39 | nave7693 | ok see ya |
| 06:24:44 | lostlogic | good luck :) |
| 06:24:48 | nave7693 | heh |
| 06:24:50 | nave7693 | thx |
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| 06:38:42 | afruff23 | in the WPS, does the X5 support the hold switch? Battery indicator? Battery charging? |
| 06:40:53 | afruff23 | more imprtantly what feature should all WPSes include? |
| 06:41:13 | afruff23 | play status indicator, volume indicator, battery indicator, progress bar, artist, title |
| 06:41:24 | afruff23 | repeat and shuffle status |
| 06:41:28 | afruff23 | what else? |
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| 06:53:44 | RoC_MM | blinkenlights |
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| 06:57:44 | JdGordon | WOW... this is interesting... http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ |
| 06:58:26 | dpassen1 | JdGordon: very interesting |
| 06:58:38 | JdGordon | have appl lost the plot?? |
| 06:59:23 | JdGordon | haha, reading the site.. 2 snaps @ windows... |
| 06:59:30 | JdGordon | Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means itll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes. |
| 06:59:58 | dpassen1 | They seem to be getting closer and closer to a hardware company |
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| 07:07:08 | BHSPitLappy | oh dag |
| 07:16:14 | RoC_MM | mmm |
| 07:16:24 | RoC_MM | good point JdGordon |
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| 07:16:58 | * | JdGordon would definatly consider an apple laptop now tho.. unless the price difference is rediculous.. |
| 07:16:58 | * | B4gder almost responded to the trolls but managed to resist |
| 07:17:09 | JdGordon | which trolls in particular? |
| 07:17:16 | B4gder | the dev list trolls |
| 07:17:27 | JdGordon | move the list to the forums and u can deal with this crap.. |
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| 07:18:04 | B4gder | I prefer mailing lists to any forum |
| 07:18:16 | Galois | pfft, weak. You should get an apple laptop and run linux on it. |
| 07:19:22 | JdGordon | osx is linux.. |
| 07:19:25 | JdGordon | almost |
| 07:19:37 | B4gder | a big almost |
| 07:19:41 | B4gder | its *nix though |
| 07:19:42 | Galois | yeah except for the "free" part |
| 07:20:02 | JdGordon | u only pay for the gui.... the backend is all DSB |
| 07:20:05 | JdGordon | BSD |
| 07:20:14 | B4gder | no, but BSD-like |
| 07:20:28 | dpassen1 | Its a modern *nix desktop, nothing wrong with that. |
| 07:20:49 | Galois | the typical slashdot flamewar would then continue by pointing out lack of basic features such as virtual desktops... |
| 07:20:56 | B4gder | hehe |
| 07:22:13 | B4gder | but slashdot is very apple friendly |
| 07:22:20 | Mikachu | and then someone would point out there is a shareware program that lets you have virtual desktops, but it costs like $50 |
| 07:22:56 | Galois | there's a couple of free virtual desktop programs that by the authors' own admission resort to "devious tricks" to get it working |
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| 07:34:07 | Bg3r | amiconn ? |
| 07:34:35 | XavierGr | morning Bg3r |
| 07:34:44 | Bg3r | morning :) |
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| 07:48:01 | XavierGr | Bg3r: I did a bettery bench for my H300 today |
| 07:48:20 | XavierGr | Bad thing thing was that I forgot to update my build :( |
| 07:48:43 | XavierGr | Battery_bench didn't capture a single measurement |
| 07:49:16 | XavierGr | but at least I kept a timer myself so I managed to see how long it managed to play |
| 07:49:27 | XavierGr | 14:40hours with a 1900mah battery |
| 07:49:46 | XavierGr | H100 did 24:55 with the same battery and album. |
| 07:51:35 | Bg3r | oh :( |
| 07:52:17 | XavierGr | I think 10 hours is too much :( |
| 07:58:39 | Bg3r | ?? |
| 07:59:02 | XavierGr | I mean the difference between H100 runtime and H300 |
| 07:59:30 | B4gder | was that with the same cvs version on both units? |
| 07:59:38 | XavierGr | no |
| 07:59:57 | XavierGr | H100 was much earlier |
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| 08:00:33 | XavierGr | 2005-11-15 |
| 08:00:41 | XavierGr | was the build for H100 |
| 08:01:00 | XavierGr | and now I can't compare them. I have only 1 1900mah battery |
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| 08:09:01 | Bg3r | XavierGr yes, it's too much |
| 08:09:04 | Bg3r | :( |
| 08:14:23 | amiconn | good morning |
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| 08:18:12 | Bg3r | amiconn morning |
| 08:18:17 | Bg3r | sorry for yesterday ... |
| 08:19:59 | amiconn | np |
| 08:22:03 | Bg3r | i thought that i could fix the .langs today ... |
| 08:22:34 | amiconn | I just happen to know the .lang system rather well, because I already dealt with it a lot |
| 08:23:01 | Bg3r | hm, i think that this should be noted somewhere too (the changes to the <source>...) |
| 08:23:01 | amiconn | So I usually know what implications a non-standard change might have |
| 08:23:25 | Bg3r | i'll add it to the wiki |
| 08:24:12 | amiconn | Well, usually, when you add or deprecate string (as a coder), you only ever change english.lang, and leave all others alone |
| 08:24:50 | Bg3r | yep |
| 08:24:58 | amiconn | Changing an ID is quite exceptional (although it doesn't break backwards compatibility) |
| 08:25:23 | amiconn | You could just have changed the meaning, and let the ID alone |
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| 08:30:52 | Bg3r | amiconn yep, but imho it's not correct |
| 08:31:49 | amiconn | Well, even after my .lang rework, there are still some IDs where the usage doesn't match the ID name fully. The IDs are only used internally, the user will never see them |
| 08:33:54 | amiconn | Some typos stayed for years, just to avoid touching all .lang files for no user-visible effect (one ID used LENGHT instead of LENGTH) |
| 08:34:39 | amiconn | I corrected it now because I had to touch everything anyway |
| 08:36:49 | Bg3r | aha |
| 08:42:57 | Bg3r | LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_PLAYER ... LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_RECORDER |
| 08:43:35 | Bg3r | what about removing them and just specifying the model ? |
| 08:43:43 | Bg3r | removing one of them |
| 08:44:10 | amiconn | Yes |
| 08:44:30 | Bg3r | and how should i do this ? |
| 08:44:38 | Bg3r | i don't want to make a new mistake ... |
| 08:44:40 | amiconn | That's something I already saw during rework and knew it will be solvable with langv2 |
| 08:46:04 | amiconn | Well, in this case the correct translation for both player and the rest are known, so this can be applied to all .lang files even if you don't know the language |
| 08:46:28 | amiconn | Btw, this pair is related to a second one |
| 08:47:04 | Bg3r | to _SAVE_PLAYER |
| 08:47:05 | Bg3r | ? |
| 08:47:09 | Bg3r | and _SAVE_RECORDER |
| 08:47:32 | amiconn | Oh, and the _BATTERY_ part should be replaced when touching it anyway, since as you might have noticed that it doesn't match anymore |
| 08:49:09 | amiconn | This would be the first actual use of langv2 |
| 08:49:43 | Bg3r | yep |
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| 09:06:07 | Coldtoast | hi all |
| 09:06:26 | Coldtoast | there's a prob with the h120 if nobody knows |
| 09:06:31 | Coldtoast | can't ffwd |
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| 09:07:01 | Coldtoast | you do it once and when you release, it doesn't resume playing |
| 09:07:16 | B4gder | I think lostlogic is aware |
| 09:07:20 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 09:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Coldtoast: How old is the build you're trying with? |
| 09:07:44 | Coldtoast | better than yesterday at least. last night, it'd just lock the player up and you HAD to hit the reset button |
| 09:07:54 | Coldtoast | it's the absolute latest CVS build |
| 09:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | The most recent CVS change says it fixes seeking, but I don't know if that's your bug, or a different seeking bug. |
| 09:08:05 | Coldtoast | it's not fixed |
| 09:08:22 | Coldtoast | just downloaded and installed it, oh, 3mins ago |
| 09:09:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
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| 09:13:11 | Coldtoast | I'd download the latest daily but it's going to have the same bug. heh |
| 09:13:34 | Coldtoast | so, for the first time in ages, I'll have to use the iriver fw |
| 09:13:37 | * | Coldtoast shudders |
| 09:14:05 | Bg3r | Coldtoast then just switch to the daily build from yesterday |
| 09:14:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could download an older daily |
| 09:16:31 | Coldtoast | any idea when the bug turned up? |
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| 09:17:27 | Bg3r | B4gder, amiconn: is this all i should do for the first real usage of langv2 features: http://pastebin.com/643605 |
| 09:18:20 | Bg3r | the stupid pastebin.com doesn't have syntax highlight for diffs |
| 09:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Coldtoast: the playback system's undergoing alot of changes. It could be that most recent commit, or it could be something that was agitated and has been around for a while. But I'm sure it'll get worked out soon enough. :) |
| 09:18:54 | B4gder | Bg3r: looks fine to me |
| 09:19:17 | Bg3r | B4gder what about the lang version ? |
| 09:20:18 | B4gder | I'm not sure |
| 09:20:25 | B4gder | strictly speaking, yo'd have to bump it |
| 09:20:41 | B4gder | but I think we could also just leave it for our cleanup work |
| 09:20:52 | B4gder | and bump it once |
| 09:21:03 | Bg3r | yep |
| 09:21:17 | B4gder | with langv2, the lang version is becoming a lot more complicated |
| 09:21:28 | Bg3r | because ? |
| 09:21:40 | B4gder | because it is much easier to break an old language |
| 09:21:57 | B4gder | even for a specific target only |
| 09:22:16 | B4gder | like you can set "player: none" on lots of strings |
| 09:22:27 | B4gder | that the players don't use/have |
| 09:23:10 | B4gder | and if you do that for example on a target that doesn't have feature X |
| 09:23:17 | Bg3r | should i also remove the old LANG_...[PLAYER|RECORDER] from the translated .lang-s |
| 09:23:24 | B4gder | and then one day you add feature X and remove the "none", it breaks |
| 09:23:42 | B4gder | Bg3r: no need, the -u option will do that for translators |
| 09:23:47 | Bg3r | ah :) |
| 09:23:55 | Bg3r | this is good :) |
| 09:24:12 | amiconn | Bg3r: During the rework, I would just deprecate old strings which are now combined under 1 ID, to avoid both bumpding the version every time during the rework, and at the same time avoid incompatibility |
| 09:24:47 | amiconn | Then we'll do a final round, removing all deprecations and bumping version once |
| 09:25:13 | amiconn | The settings save failure messages should even be combined into one. |
| 09:25:31 | amiconn | No need to start with the dreaded ...1 ...2 etc business again |
| 09:25:41 | Bg3r | amiconn and how to do this ? |
| 09:25:42 | amiconn | We *do* have splash, for quite a while |
| 09:25:49 | Bg3r | ah, yes |
| 09:26:03 | Bg3r | so, just use the splash ? |
| 09:26:06 | B4gder | right, it even works on the player! ;-) |
| 09:26:14 | Bg3r | k |
| 09:26:22 | amiconn | B4gder: Why the ;-) ? |
| 09:26:35 | Bg3r | how do i deprecate a string ? |
| 09:26:56 | * | B4gder cuts off the ":-)" |
| 09:28:14 | amiconn | It definitely does work on the player, although it needs a bit of fixing |
| 09:28:37 | amiconn | Bg3r: Using splash() also avoids having to handle the remote separately |
| 09:29:20 | LinusN | are splashes spoken? |
| 09:30:17 | Bg3r | LinusN no, but these strings are with empty voice: strings |
| 09:30:39 | Bg3r | amiconn yep |
| 09:31:36 | B4gder | but I guess making the splashes speak shouldn't be that hard |
| 09:31:46 | amiconn | LinusN: Please test my new button code on X5. I don't expect problems though |
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| 09:35:36 | amiconn | B4gder: Making splashes speak has some ugly implication. They must not even try to speak in some cases |
| 09:37:00 | * | JdGordon needs to set up more computers in my room... winter has come :'( |
| 09:37:06 | B4gder | yes it struck me too |
| 09:37:30 | HCl | winter? |
| 09:37:44 | petur | downunder, remember? |
| 09:37:48 | Bg3r | JdGordon australia ? |
| 09:37:53 | JdGordon | ye |
| 09:38:16 | petur | but still early to call it winter |
| 09:38:29 | JdGordon | its like 15C outside... thats winter |
| 09:38:36 | Bg3r | haha |
| 09:38:42 | Bg3r | JdGordon here it's about 15 too |
| 09:38:48 | HCl | move to europe till the winter has passed |
| 09:38:58 | Bg3r | but i'd call that spring ... |
| 09:39:03 | * | HCl sighs @ work |
| 09:39:10 | JdGordon | ye, coz u guys like the cold ... |
| 09:39:22 | HCl | 15C is cold |
| 09:39:25 | * | B4gder has 2C and thinks its spring |
| 09:39:25 | HCl | :( |
| 09:39:26 | * | petur slaps HCl for reminding him of it |
| 09:39:33 | HCl | people here are weird |
| 09:39:36 | petur | the work that is |
| 09:39:38 | HCl | it was 15C the other day |
| 09:39:43 | HCl | and they said it was hot O.o |
| 09:40:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's about 21C here right now. At night. |
| 09:41:02 | JdGordon | nice (y) |
| 09:41:17 | JdGordon | thats much nicer than bloody 15C |
| 09:41:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | 15C is almost exactly where I like it. |
| 09:42:21 | Bg3r | hahaha |
| 09:42:29 | JdGordon | wanna swap? |
| 09:42:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno about you, but I've got no money and I don't trust my luck swimming. ;-) |
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| 09:54:10 | Zoide777 | is anyone here familiar with the wm*.c files? |
| 09:54:20 | Zoide777 | I am trying to understand the conversion between the ipodlinux and rockbox code |
| 09:54:57 | Zoide777 | For example ipodlinux has a line "ipod_i2c_send(0x1a, 0x45, 0x50);", while Rockbox uses "wm8975_write(LOUTMIX1, 0x150);" |
| 09:55:49 | Zoide777 | or ipodlinux has "ipod_i2c_send(0x1a, 0x1f, 0xff);" while Rockbox has "wm8975_write(RESET, 0x1ff);" |
| 09:56:17 | Zoide777 | i'm not sure what's going on with the hex numbers |
| 09:57:15 | Bg3r | Zoide777 the wm8*** chips are documented... see the DataSheets page in the wiki |
| 09:57:48 | _FireFly_ | Zoide777: i think the defines LOUTMIX1 equels to 0x1a,0x45 and Reset to 0x1a,0x1f |
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| 10:01:23 | Zoide777 | Bg3r: thanks, i'll see what i can find there |
| 10:01:24 | Zoide777 | _FireFly_: but then it doesn't make sense that "ipod_i2c_send(0x1a, 0x45, 0x50);" becomes "wm8975_write(LOUTMIX1, 0x150);" ... shouldn't it be "wm8975_write(LOUTMIX1, 0x50);" instead? |
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| 10:02:29 | petur | some feature of the chip got enabled afaik |
| 10:02:36 | petur | check the datasheets |
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| 10:18:42 | linuxstb_ | Zoide777: The i2c writes to the WM codecs consist of a 16-bit value. The top 7 bits are the register address, and the bottom 9 bits are the data value to write to that register. The IPL code in your example writes the 16-bit value 0x4550 to the wm8975. This equates to register 0x22 and value 0x150 - which is what Rockbox does. |
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| 10:22:25 | * | petur had no idea at all |
| 10:22:46 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: wow, i would have never figured that out hehe |
| 10:22:50 | Zoide777 | thanks |
| 10:23:17 | linuxstb | It's explained in the datasheet for the codec - but it wasn't immediately obvious to me either. |
| 10:24:24 | Zoide777 | oh! the "Register Map" on p. 50 |
| 10:24:43 | linuxstb | That will help... |
| 10:27:08 | linuxstb | But the hard part for recording isn't the initialisation of the codec, you will need to use the FIQ (fast interrupt) to read the incoming data from the codec, and incorporate it into Rockbox's general recording code. |
| 10:27:30 | crashd | is this for recording on 3g? |
| 10:29:22 | linuxstb | Not specifically - it's for all ipods. |
| 10:31:08 | linuxstb | lostlogic: The 5g still detects the wall charger as a USB connection. You're the second person to try and close that bug report.... |
| 10:31:50 | petur | most of the recording code is usable, just the dma handler needs to be replaced with that FIQ thing [I think] |
| 10:32:29 | linuxstb | Yes, it will be a similar job to the playback code. |
| 10:32:32 | petur | and add init code and gain setting of course |
| 10:32:56 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: when you mention 16-bit writes, which of the 3 arguments in ipod_i2c_send corresponds to what? |
| 10:33:34 | linuxstb | The first value is the i2c address of the wm codec (0x1a), and the second and third values are the high and low bytes of the 16-bit value. |
| 10:34:28 | Zoide777 | ah, ok thanks |
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| 10:41:33 | Bg3r | B4gder how do i deprecate strings ? |
| 10:42:36 | B4gder | set them to be "" |
| 10:44:30 | Bg3r | k, 10x |
| 10:45:24 | B4gder | of you set them to 'none' (without quotes) they will be completely left out from the strings |
| 10:45:59 | B4gder | which is how lots of player strings should be dealt with |
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| 10:46:07 | B4gder | and radio strings for targets without radio etc |
| 10:46:12 | Bg3r | you mean <dest> ? |
| 10:46:16 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:46:27 | Bg3r | <dest>*:none</dest> |
| 10:46:36 | Bg3r | (for all) |
| 10:46:47 | B4gder | well, setting all to none makes no sense ;) |
| 10:46:58 | Bg3r | yes, it makes |
| 10:47:08 | Bg3r | in cases like LANG_BUFFER_STAT_RECORDER |
| 10:48:00 | B4gder | if it won't create output for any target, it could just be completely removed insted? |
| 10:48:20 | Bg3r | (if i s/LANG_BUFFER_STAT_PLAYER/LANG_BUFFER_STAT) |
| 10:48:40 | Bg3r | because amiconn suggested to deprecate them first |
| 10:48:54 | B4gder | yes, but deprecating them is to set "" |
| 10:49:02 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:49:05 | Bg3r | okay |
| 10:49:06 | B4gder | setting them to none removes them |
| 10:49:40 | B4gder | I should perhaps add another keyword for deprecate |
| 10:49:44 | B4gder | might make it more readable |
| 10:50:45 | Bg3r | yeah, and some notes in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile won't hurt ;) |
| 10:51:04 | B4gder | yeah |
| 10:51:41 | Bg3r | or maybe even moving it to LangFiles |
| 10:51:47 | Bg3r | or something like this |
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| 11:03:51 | * | XavierGr learns linux playing with X commands in the new vmware image. :P |
| 11:04:05 | TiMiD | pervert |
| 11:04:09 | Bg3r | XavierGr go go :) |
| 11:04:52 | XavierGr | I must update the wiki with the info I learnt |
| 11:06:12 | XavierGr | The thing that I don't get. What's the difference between .xinit and .xsession? |
| 11:07:03 | XavierGr | I think I got it now. /.xinit runs if you type xinit before X has started |
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| 11:07:37 | XavierGr | while /.xsession runs all the commands you put there and exits (so if you don't star a WM it will exit) |
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| 11:16:16 | B4gder | Bg3r: renamed and edited |
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| 11:16:28 | Bg3r | B4gder very good :) |
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| 11:17:35 | pkern | Hm. The Rockbox website is unclear about it, but does the Rockbox bootloader actually work on iPod minis? I tried the 4G bootloader (as I remembered it from ipodlinux to be very similar to the mini ones) and the background light indeed flashes, but only with an apple within. |
| 11:17:55 | B4gder | pkern: you need the mini bootloader |
| 11:18:09 | pkern | B4gder: I thought that and I saw build logs, but where could I get it? |
| 11:18:23 | pkern | b4gder: It's not included in the zip, isn't it? |
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| 11:19:01 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 11:19:31 | pkern | B4gder: I'm sorry, thanks. |
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| 11:20:57 | linuxstb | pkern: Do you know if you have a first or second generation mini? |
| 11:20:58 | pkern | :D |
| 11:21:10 | pkern | linuxstb: IIRC it's 2g |
| 11:21:22 | pkern | It's a Silver 4GB Mini |
| 11:21:23 | linuxstb | That's perfect then. Only the 2g is known to work well. |
| 11:21:37 | pkern | linuxstb: At least ipodlinux did once run on it ;) |
| 11:22:21 | pkern | Time to put some audio onto it. Perhaps it does work in an usable way... |
| 11:22:28 | amiconn | pkern: There's a dedicated mini2g rockbox bootloader & rockbox build |
| 11:22:45 | pkern | amiconn: Well, I took the mini2g rockbox build from the webpage. |
| 11:22:45 | amiconn | It definitely does work. |
| 11:23:15 | pkern | Well, I get the screen, it's just in the FAQ that audio is not yet continous. |
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| 11:23:21 | amiconn | You also need to use the mini2g bootloader. Other bootloaders won't work |
| 11:23:35 | pkern | amiconn: Yep, it started :D |
| 11:24:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | pkern: If you're referring to IpodFaq, the portion is in response to some people having problems with audio. It often depends on the bitrates or whether you're using the Equalizer, or show the Peakmeters, or other things. |
| 11:24:30 | amiconn | Playback should be working fine, as long as you don't try mp3 with the eq enabled |
| 11:24:50 | pkern | I mainly want to play OGG ;) |
| 11:25:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well you're in luck |
| 11:25:02 | pkern | Hm. |
| 11:25:04 | amiconn | Peakmeter is no problem on the greyscale ipods. It might be on the colour ones |
| 11:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ogg tends to work pretty well. |
| 11:25:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Peakmeter has caused problems even on H120s sometimes recently. There's something up there. =/ |
| 11:25:39 | amiconn | Really? |
| 11:25:40 | pkern | Hm. I get overmodulation or whatever that's called. |
| 11:26:00 | pkern | No. |
| 11:26:06 | pkern | The OGG is weird. (Wesnoth one) |
| 11:26:08 | pkern | So thanks a lot (= |
| 11:26:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: There were reports of playback skips in the H120 forum at least, and when I recommended disabling the peakmeter it was fine. They *may* have been using other cpu intensive things simultaneously though |
| 11:30:21 | pkern | Hm. 203kbit/s OGG playing fine. Well, Rockbox very much exceeds my expectations. |
| 11:30:42 | pkern | So thanks for your work. :D |
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| 11:32:59 | amiconn | B4gder: We don't want any lang IDs to be non-present on any target |
| 11:33:17 | B4gder | I do |
| 11:33:21 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:33:37 | amiconn | All that should happen is set them to empty, which means wasting one byte (the \0 ) |
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| 11:33:47 | B4gder | I know your position on that |
| 11:33:47 | amiconn | We already discussed that a while ago |
| 11:34:26 | * | petur notices gl has threatened *again* to leave :) |
| 11:34:46 | amiconn | The bad thing with missing ids is that if someone implements a feature and enables a string for a target where it wasn't enabled before, that'll screw up string order for this target |
| 11:34:51 | LinusN | petur: i'm sooo scared |
| 11:34:55 | B4gder | amiconn: I know |
| 11:35:02 | amiconn | So we would be forced to bump the binary lang version |
| 11:35:06 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:35:11 | amiconn | I would prefer to avoid that mess |
| 11:35:12 | B4gder | but I think its worth that hassle |
| 11:35:44 | B4gder | its not like people get random language files and use anyway |
| 11:35:56 | amiconn | It's not about random .lng files |
| 11:36:03 | amiconn | It's about older .lng files |
| 11:36:14 | B4gder | people don't use older either |
| 11:36:19 | B4gder | they use the ones we ship |
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| 11:36:31 | B4gder | I mean in real-world |
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| 11:36:42 | amiconn | What happens if people forget to replace their .lng file, just replacing rockbox.whatever? |
| 11:36:55 | B4gder | they mess up |
| 11:36:59 | B4gder | they do things like that today |
| 11:37:01 | B4gder | and suffer |
| 11:37:07 | B4gder | so they learn not to |
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| 11:37:17 | B4gder | everything else breaks hard when you do those things |
| 11:37:20 | * | amiconn is a bit disappointed |
| 11:37:35 | B4gder | about what? |
| 11:37:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, as it is just only ever replacing the rockbox.whatever as an update method is asking to encounter troubles in the end. |
| 11:38:03 | B4gder | the breakage of bad updates is not due to lang files |
| 11:38:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aren't the installation instructions "extract the .zip on your player"? |
| 11:38:10 | amiconn | We have a number of measures to avoid severe messup in case of errors like this. The plugin api versioning comes to mind... |
| 11:38:19 | amiconn | Why not use a similar policy here? |
| 11:38:30 | B4gder | I'm not against that |
| 11:38:36 | B4gder | I'm just against your way of solving that |
| 11:38:58 | B4gder | I'd rather have a more strict policy |
| 11:39:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems the plugin API's method would work pretty well. |
| 11:39:28 | B4gder | its just that the language files are more complex than the plugin API |
| 11:39:36 | B4gder | or they could be at least |
| 11:40:12 | amiconn | Well, languages work different. For plugin api, we need to enforce a minimum version, because otherwise a plugin might call a function not yet present, and crash |
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| 11:40:36 | Mikachu | is the byte only wasted on disk or in ram too? |
| 11:40:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wouldn't you need a minimum version with languages too? |
| 11:40:52 | amiconn | However, for .lng, we want to support older files, and just use the english strings for things not yet present in the .lng |
| 11:41:01 | B4gder | Mikachu: both, and its more than a byte |
| 11:41:18 | Mikachu | yeah i guess it needs some padding etc |
| 11:41:24 | amiconn | Yeah, in RAM it's 5 bytes |
| 11:41:41 | amiconn | (the \0 and a pointer) |
| 11:41:47 | B4gder | and on the player, I bet there's a 100 strings it doesn't want/use |
| 11:41:50 | Mikachu | why do you load the string if it's not used anywhere in the build? shouldn't that be pretty easy to avoid? |
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| 11:42:40 | B4gder | now where's reaching the culprit ;-) |
| 11:42:50 | B4gder | we're |
| 11:42:52 | B4gder | ggg |
| 11:43:04 | B4gder | we load them because they are in the .lng file |
| 11:43:21 | B4gder | and they are in the .lng file because the .lang file says so |
| 11:43:38 | XavierGr | which command do I have to type in Linux to see running processes? |
| 11:43:42 | B4gder | and the .lang file says so, because if we _ever_ add the string we don't want to break backwards compatiblity |
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| 11:43:54 | B4gder | XavierGr: ps |
| 11:44:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't understand why breaking backwards compatibility is so horrible? |
| 11:44:28 | B4gder | that's my position too |
| 11:44:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean yes, people will have to make a choice between using a new build in english, or the one they've already got in their native tongue. |
| 11:45:19 | Bg3r | the best would be to not allow loading of older lang file ... |
| 11:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also provides more incentive for people to update translations, if a bit draconian in its methodology. |
| 11:45:37 | Mikachu | is the lang file built by regular configure+make? |
| 11:45:46 | Bg3r | Mikachu .lng is |
| 11:45:49 | B4gder | Mikachu: make zip builds them |
| 11:45:54 | Bg3r | ah |
| 11:45:55 | Mikachu | oh.. silly :) |
| 11:47:31 | linuxstb | XavierGr: There is also the "top" command - which is an interactive version of ps. Press "q" to quit it. |
| 11:48:19 | XavierGr | nice thanks |
| 11:49:03 | XavierGr | also the kill command works for me only with the -9 option |
| 11:49:23 | B4gder | XavierGr: it depends on the program you try to kill |
| 11:49:46 | B4gder | most signals can be caught and dealt with by the app itself |
| 11:50:00 | Mikachu | why is the swedish lang file called svenska, but the japanese is japanese? |
| 11:50:13 | B4gder | Mikachu: to confuse readers |
| 11:50:25 | LinusN | wouldn't the voice files suffer from incompatible lang changes? |
| 11:50:36 | Mikachu | B4gder: ah, okay |
| 11:50:52 | B4gder | Mikachu: I guess its just because different people adding them |
| 11:50:57 | amiconn | LinusN: yes, exactly |
| 11:51:09 | B4gder | don't the voice files use the id ? |
| 11:51:23 | amiconn | They use the numeric id the same way as .lng |
| 11:51:24 | B4gder | or do the use the same ordered thing as strings? |
| 11:51:29 | B4gder | ok |
| 11:52:05 | amiconn | So, if the numeric IDs shift because of left-out strings introduced later, voice clips will also be messed up |
| 11:52:14 | LinusN | i think keeping the voice file compatible is a good thing |
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| 11:52:23 | amiconn | ...and unlike .lng, we don't include .voice in the .zip |
| 11:53:24 | Mikachu | is english included in the binary? i haven't updated the lng file since i first installed but new strings appear anyway |
| 11:53:32 | amiconn | Mikachu: I think the rule is to write the language name in the target language, unless it's impossible with latin1 |
| 11:53:44 | B4gder | Mikachu: english is always built-in |
| 11:53:53 | Mikachu | okay*2 |
| 11:54:32 | Mikachu | what is wallisertitsch? |
| 11:54:56 | XavierGr | Mikachu maybe we will have to rename the lang file to 'nihongo' |
| 11:55:05 | XavierGr | :P |
| 11:56:09 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether zip can handle unicode |
| 11:56:23 | Mikachu | there is probably someone that has a zip implementation that doesn't |
| 11:56:38 | Mikachu | as long as it doesn't strip arbitrary 8bit bytes from filenames it should be fine |
| 11:56:55 | B4gder | I'd hate 8bit letters in file names in our tree |
| 11:57:13 | amiconn | ? |
| 11:57:16 | Mikachu | mine works fine |
| 11:57:25 | Mikachu | % unzip a.zip |
| 11:57:25 | Mikachu | Archive: a.zip |
| 11:57:25 | Mikachu | extracting: にほんご |
| 11:57:46 | B4gder | because it would force me to make sure all my systems use utf8 or what not |
| 11:57:57 | B4gder | and they don't now |
| 11:58:03 | amiconn | They would need to be true unicode filenames, not just utf-8 without zip or other tools not knowing about it |
| 11:58:16 | amiconn | Might also be a problem with cvs... |
| 11:58:24 | Mikachu | what do you mean by"true unicode"? |
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| 11:59:14 | Mikachu | a filename by itself doesn't have an encoding |
| 11:59:48 | Mikachu | it's just a couple of bytes \ {'/'} |
| 11:59:52 | amiconn | I mean that the tools need to know about it, and the filenames need to be in the native unicode encoding *on the file system* |
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| 12:01:14 | Mikachu | in general, filesystems don't have encodings |
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| 12:01:32 | Mikachu | they only store said bytes in a filename field... |
| 12:01:40 | amiconn | That's not always true |
| 12:02:01 | amiconn | As mentioned yesterday, VFAT filenames are *always* UCS-2 encoded |
| 12:02:23 | amiconn | The OS translates that to/from whatever the current locale uses |
| 12:02:29 | crashd | morning |
| 12:02:52 | Mikachu | that's up to the filesystem driver though, not zip |
| 12:03:02 | crashd | just wanted to headsup, as we cant submit bugs for 'new targets', searching on ipod is the fucked, you can search once, but once you let go and try and skip through again rockbox hangs |
| 12:03:19 | crashd | at least on the 5g |
| 12:03:29 | Mikachu | of course you can put ipod bugs in the tracker... |
| 12:03:34 | Mikachu | that's what the target field is for |
| 12:03:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | You mean "next track" or the actual search function? |
| 12:03:42 | crashd | Mikachu: i understand that. |
| 12:03:46 | crashd | but Please do not submit bug reports for very early Rockbox target ports! |
| 12:03:52 | crashd | and it is still an early target, non? |
| 12:03:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Until the new tracker, you weren't supposed to put bugs up for targets other than those that had an official release. |
| 12:03:57 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: searching through a track |
| 12:04:00 | crashd | as in, ff and rw |
| 12:04:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: That's "seeking" then. :) |
| 12:04:16 | Mikachu | in this case, it's not related to ipods, but lostlogic's swcodec hackings |
| 12:04:17 | crashd | ahh, sorry, i do agree that seeking is a better word ;) |
| 12:04:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that's an all-SWCODEC bug at the moment |
| 12:04:31 | Mikachu | he knows it doesn't work well yet, i think |
| 12:04:37 | crashd | ah, ok, fair enough |
| 12:04:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | But yeah, it's okay to post ipod-related bugs now I think |
| 12:05:02 | Mikachu | if a devel doesn't want to watch it, he can exclude ipod targets from the search |
| 12:05:06 | Mikachu | or she! |
| 12:05:36 | B4gder | hehe |
| 12:05:45 | Mikachu | or would be able if flyspray had a sensible search function |
| 12:06:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it should probably be changed to something as simple as "Don't report bugs until Audio works on your target" rather than as it is now. |
| 12:07:05 | B4gder | possibly |
| 12:07:08 | linuxstb | Or just until daily builds are available. |
| 12:07:23 | B4gder | the thing is that people start to file bugs like crazy on things we just haven't done yet |
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| 12:07:35 | B4gder | like the "remote on x5 doesn't work!" |
| 12:08:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is true. |
| 12:08:04 | B4gder | but its hard to explain that in a few words |
| 12:08:10 | linuxstb | But even bug reports like that still have some use IMO - so things are documented somewhere. |
| 12:08:27 | B4gder | hm, yeah you might be right |
| 12:08:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Please, don't file bug reports until Audio is functional, search carefully for your bug before filing a report, and try to make sure in advance it's not a case of 'the feature isn't done yet'" |
| 12:09:12 | B4gder | lunch! |
| 12:09:16 | Mikachu | so if english is compiled in, what happens if i select english.lng, all strings are stored twice? |
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| 12:26:27 | Febs_ | Look like gl.tter is taking his toys and going home. |
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| 12:28:36 | anrdewmel | wondering if anybody here is working on making plugins work for iPod? i |
| 12:28:51 | anrdewmel | i have found a couple of problems I would like to flag |
| 12:29:40 | Mikachu | would doing something like this make sense for ipods? http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox_int-tick-wip1.patch |
| 12:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which plugin are you having problems with? |
| 12:29:55 | Mikachu | maybe i should wait for lostlogic |
| 12:29:59 | anrdewmel | the jpeg viewer and the stopwatch |
| 12:30:18 | anrdewmel | i have edited the wiki to show what is and isnt working |
| 12:30:25 | anrdewmel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginJpeg |
| 12:30:37 | anrdewmel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginStopWatch |
| 12:31:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, for the jpeg viewer it's mainly the fact that only limit types of jpegs are supported? |
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| 12:31:58 | anrdewmel | nope, there is no way to terminate it, or move to the next or previous image |
| 12:32:11 | Mikachu | incorrect |
| 12:32:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can move to previous/next image... |
| 12:32:25 | Mikachu | select+left/right and select+menu |
| 12:32:26 | anrdewmel | hmmmm, how are you doing that |
| 12:32:32 | anrdewmel | ahhhhhh, bugger |
| 12:32:45 | anrdewmel | and to terminate? |
| 12:32:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Select+menu |
| 12:33:21 | Mikachu | my button change thing seems to work |
| 12:33:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does it do? |
| 12:33:38 | anrdewmel | hmmm, looks like some editing is in order, thanks |
| 12:33:51 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: does it prevent the flood of scroll events? can you scroll long lists without the sound skipping? |
| 12:33:55 | Mikachu | hrm, it probably breaks repeat now that i think :) |
| 12:34:22 | anrdewmel | I will edit the wiki .... |
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| 12:35:10 | Mikachu | hm, it didn't |
| 12:35:12 | Mikachu | that's odd |
| 12:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait, so it works AND it doesn't break things? |
| 12:36:10 | Mikachu | yes, but it should break repeat |
| 12:36:13 | Mikachu | so that means it doesn't work |
| 12:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 12:36:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | When working is defined by breaking something else... interesting. :) |
| 12:37:15 | Mikachu | heh |
| 12:37:31 | * | Mikachu adds piezo ticking to hear when the button drivers if statement is true |
| 12:37:47 | Mikachu | ah, constant sound |
| 12:38:08 | Mikachu | hah, of course, i'm stupid |
| 12:38:13 | Mikachu | tick−− won't stop at zero |
| 12:38:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 12:40:42 | Mikachu | now it sounds right, but the buttons only work if i scroll at the same time i press a button :P |
| 12:41:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well that is unfortunate. |
| 12:41:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though it would prevent accidental volume adjustments. |
| 12:41:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Scroll only while select is held"! |
| 12:41:50 | Mikachu | scrolling always works |
| 12:41:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 12:42:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Buttons only while scrolling |
| 12:42:07 | Mikachu | those events are sent from the interrupt handler |
| 12:42:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, nobody wants THAT |
| 12:42:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 12:42:14 | Mikachu | it's obviously not on purpose |
| 12:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know. |
| 12:43:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just giving you a hard time because the forum is slow at the moment. :) |
| 12:43:27 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 12:43:55 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: People have run out of Doom questions? |
| 12:44:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the moment. It's rather astonishing. |
| 12:45:16 | Mikachu | hm, apparently button_tick needs to run twice to register a button, /me adds a tick++; |
| 12:47:35 | Mikachu | heh, now i managed to make it tick only when i release the finger from the wheel, it's somewhat unsettling |
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| 12:55:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd realized he finally found something proper for his forum sig. |
| 12:55:35 | JdGordon | u dont _have_ to have a sig u know... |
| 12:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, I know. And I didn't want one, until now. |
| 12:56:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I realized it would be the perfect place to keep that "How to ask questions the smart way" link LinusN posted. |
| 12:56:57 | Febs_ | Is that the article by Eric Raymond? I've had that in my Mistic River sig for a long time. Unfortunately, the people who most need to read it never will. |
| 12:57:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs_: Yes, that one. I know they never will, but at least it's there now. |
| 12:59:27 | XavierGr | Paul where is that link? |
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| 13:01:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 13:02:15 | JdGordon | any1 know how much 256mb ddr laptop ram would go for 2nd hand? |
| 13:03:06 | XavierGr | wow big Guide on just to tell you how to ask. Imagine the answer :p |
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| 13:07:57 | solexx | hm. does anyone else still have problems seeking in sw codec platforms? |
| 13:08:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | solexx: Many people have reported that it's still messed up, yes. |
| 13:08:29 | solexx | ok |
| 13:09:40 | amiconn | Mikachu: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:11:35 | Mikachu | amiconn: skip most of button_tick when i know no button is pressed |
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| 13:19:13 | MarcoPolo | i get some weird error with current cvs : |
| 13:19:26 | MarcoPolo | Undefined subroutine &main::No Info called at genlang line 418, <LANG> line 2490. |
| 13:19:58 | amiconn | Mikachu: Hmm, I don't get it? button_tick is there to determine which buttons are pressed. How can you know no button is pressed before processing this very information? |
| 13:20:04 | amiconn | What target, btw? |
| 13:20:15 | Mikachu | amiconn: on ipods, so i know in the interrupt context |
| 13:20:39 | amiconn | Well, for the 4g iPods, button_tick() is almost empty anyway |
| 13:21:07 | Mikachu | one if is less than 5 :) |
| 13:21:51 | amiconn | 5?? |
| 13:22:09 | amiconn | There's just 2 for iPod 4g and up |
| 13:22:16 | amiconn | It all boils down to |
| 13:22:19 | Mikachu | hm |
| 13:22:47 | amiconn | btn = int_btn; then check for flip and apply, then apply debounce |
| 13:23:33 | amiconn | line 1211 and lines 1293..1306 |
| 13:23:36 | Mikachu | i guess so |
| 13:24:45 | amiconn | The debounce check *might* be unnecessary for iPod, depends on whether there is hardware button debounce |
| 13:25:04 | amiconn | But it doesn't hurt to do it. |
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| 13:26:20 | Mikachu | i also noticed POLL_FREQUENCY is HZ/100, doesn't that mean the first if statement is always true? |
| 13:27:34 | amiconn | Ah, you're talking about button_tick... |
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| 13:27:46 | amiconn | Yes, this first if is always true nowadays |
| 13:30:27 | amiconn | It could be removed, together with the POLL_FREQUENCY definition, if we don't want to go back to slower polling one day |
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| 13:31:00 | amiconn | But you can't easily skip parts of that code without breaking the release/repeat handling |
| 13:31:10 | amiconn | This is quite optimised as it is |
| 13:31:21 | Mikachu | i noticed |
| 13:31:23 | Mikachu | :) |
| 13:31:42 | Mikachu | (that you can break it) |
| 13:34:07 | Zoide777 | arrrggghhh.... ipod recording stuff is driving me *craaaazy* |
| 13:34:29 | Zoide777 | I keep getting undefined references to a bunch of functions in recording.c |
| 13:34:46 | Mikachu | a lot of stuff is probably ifdeffed out for ipods |
| 13:35:04 | Zoide777 | even though they are all in pcm_record.c and I am doing #include pcm_record.h |
| 13:35:34 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: the ifdefs *are* a pain... |
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| 13:36:22 | Mikachu | hm, it seems the hold button actually generates an interrupt |
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| 13:38:54 | petur | Zoide777: does your ipod config file have #define HAVE_RECORDING ? |
| 13:39:05 | Zoide777 | petur: yes |
| 13:39:51 | petur | also check SOURCES and FILES that the file is compiled for your target |
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| 13:43:40 | Zoide777 | petur: that might be it! pcm_record wasn't being built as far as the SOURCES file was concerned |
| 13:44:24 | Zoide777 | well, now i have new errors, but at least i got out of the rut i was in for so long! |
| 13:44:26 | Zoide777 | thanks petur |
| 13:45:24 | petur | np |
| 13:46:00 | petur | recording is about the only part of RB I know a bit of :) |
| 13:46:47 | lostlogic | *yawn* |
| 13:46:59 | petur | goodmorning |
| 13:47:04 | lostlogic | mornin' |
| 13:47:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Your "fixes seeking" thing apparently didn't. |
| 13:47:50 | Zoide777 | hi |
| 13:48:01 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: oh? |
| 13:48:04 | Mikachu | um, how do i put an int in a string in rockbox? "%i" and "%d" didn't work |
| 13:48:16 | lostlogic | *seeks a bit* |
| 13:48:30 | lostlogic | sure seems to work |
| 13:48:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I've got reports of swcodec seeking not working properly on H120s and various iPods... |
| 13:48:38 | lostlogic | even when disk reload is needed |
| 13:48:41 | Mikachu | er, yeah, forgot to copy the plugin |
| 13:49:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | FF/RW is freezing players for many people. |
| 13:49:34 | lostlogic | hahahhahaha, I think I may have broken the opposite case, instead of it not working when disk reload is needed, it might not work when disk reload is _not_ needed now :( |
| 13:49:43 | preglow | beh |
| 13:49:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | :( |
| 13:49:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Such things happen though |
| 13:50:06 | lostlogic | although I haven't had a freeze yet, just playback fails, stop and resume works which is better than the old behavior here. |
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| 13:50:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah. |
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| 13:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, these were ordinary people saying "It freezes" so that could just mean that playback halted. |
| 13:51:10 | lostlogic | on the upside, the playback.c code is beginning to make sense in a basic sort of "this can reasonably work" way :) |
| 13:51:30 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, that's my guess, pending further reports of _freezes_ |
| 13:51:32 | Bg3r | :P |
| 13:51:42 | Mikachu | lostlogic: not that you care, but that last queue_wait thing broke headphone detection a bit :) |
| 13:52:02 | lostlogic | Mikachu: which what how? |
| 13:52:10 | lostlogic | headphone detection? we have that? |
| 13:52:16 | Mikachu | no, it's a patch on the tracker |
| 13:52:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Actually, I remember one of them saying specifically "At least it no longer locks up my player after this update" so I'm actually guessing it's just playback halting. |
| 13:52:29 | lostlogic | oh, if anything I did broke it, then it's done wrong |
| 13:52:37 | ep0ch | lostlogic: yeah playback hasn't hung rockbox for me yet, but when i FF sound stops so i have to press pause and play to get playback to start again |
| 13:52:47 | Mikachu | it polls for the headphone in the playback thread i think |
| 13:52:51 | lostlogic | ep0ch: great, useful information! |
| 13:52:58 | lostlogic | Mikachu: right, and that is _wrong_. |
| 13:53:03 | lostlogic | :) |
| 13:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even *I* know that's wrong... |
| 13:53:29 | lostlogic | playback thread is designed for serialization, which is why I had to do the stuff I did last night, it can't be used for polling. |
| 13:53:35 | Mikachu | yeah, we want to poll somewhere else and put an event on the playback queue! (i guess) |
| 13:53:42 | lostlogic | Mikachu: exactly :) |
| 13:54:14 | ep0ch | preglow: how's the new crossfeed? I want something to play with :D |
| 13:54:15 | Mikachu | when i say playback*, it seems i mean audio_* |
| 13:54:34 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yep, they seem synonymous to me. |
| 13:54:45 | Mikachu | so at least you don't have both then :) |
| 13:54:50 | preglow | ep0ch: try to have it done today |
| 13:54:56 | ep0ch | cool |
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| 13:55:13 | preglow | but no promises, i've also got a bunch of work |
| 13:55:40 | XavierGr | work? what is that preglow :P |
| 13:55:49 | XavierGr | your work is here! :D |
| 13:55:56 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:56:12 | Zoide777 | what are DSR1, DCR1, DAR1, BCR1, IPR? they are present in mcf5249.h, for example, but not in pp5020.h |
| 13:56:31 | preglow | Zoide777: they are completely different architectures... |
| 13:56:32 | petur | they are for DMA |
| 13:57:07 | petur | as said earlier, that's the place where the platform specific code must come |
| 13:57:09 | Zoide777 | hmm.... the situation does not seem very friendly.... |
| 13:57:16 | Zoide777 | i see |
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| 13:57:50 | Mikachu | lostlogic: do you have an idea where it would be logical to poll it? button_tick()? |
| 13:58:09 | petur | the init for recording and he handling of data reception must be written for the ipods, the rest is reusable |
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| 13:59:21 | obo | Mikachu: guess I've got some work to do |
| 13:59:24 | Mikachu | btw, it seems the button driver happily sends repeat events when hold is on |
| 13:59:45 | petur | hold repeat? :D |
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| 14:00:02 | B4gder | "hold is still active hold is still active hold is still active hold is still active" ;-) |
| 14:00:05 | Mikachu | i accidentally pressed button_left when turning on hold earlier today and it went seeking |
| 14:00:20 | Mikachu | until i turned off hold, and then playback froze :) |
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| 14:02:56 | Mikachu | obo: i have a pretty good idea of how to do it now |
| 14:04:14 | obo | Mikachu: move it into button.c?? |
| 14:06:39 | lostlogic | Mikachu: could make headphone insert/remove a button event actually and then handle it on the WPS thread (or any thread who wants to do soemthign with it) |
| 14:06:48 | Bg3r | B4gder |
| 14:06:55 | * | B4gder awakes |
| 14:08:21 | Bg3r | B4gder prv |
| 14:09:08 | lostlogic | any swcodec people care to comment on performance changes from my commit last night? New skips during buffering? Better or worse boost levels during play? |
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| 14:13:52 | XavierGr | dpkg seems evil |
| 14:14:20 | ep0ch | I haven't noticed any skipping during buffering |
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| 14:16:25 | petur | lostlogic: your mail will tell if he actually left, because it's the type of mails he likes to jump on ;) |
| 14:16:59 | lostlogic | petur: if you say so *shrug* |
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| 14:18:29 | Kanashimi | Hi there, just thought I'd hop on and let you know that the current version of Rockbox for IHP-120 (http://download.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20060406.zip) just hard locked twice when I was trying to fastforward an audio book. All the controls froze completely and would not respond in any manner. The title of the file still kept on moving though. The lock |
| 14:18:34 | Kanashimi | happened after I stopped fastforwarding and the player should have started playing the file again. |
| 14:19:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: See, all night. :) |
| 14:19:14 | Kanashimi | I had to do a hard reset from the hardware button to free up the player again. |
| 14:19:43 | Bg3r | hah lostlogic your comment about B5032 ... |
| 14:19:56 | Bg3r | better ask "with today's daily build" |
| 14:20:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | "yes, but I haven't updated in a while." |
| 14:20:54 | Bg3r | yep |
| 14:21:10 | petur | better ask "with todays bleeding edge" |
| 14:21:24 | Kanashimi | Same audio book fastforwards and works just fine with version CVS-051125. |
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| 14:22:21 | petur | the last fix is only in todays bleeding edge build, not the daily *I think* |
| 14:22:47 | ep0ch | Kanashimi: try bleeding edge, there was an update to playback code at 4am |
| 14:22:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: This is a known bug, but thanks for reporting it. At the moment the playback code is being reworked, and this is resulting in problems like this here and there. Hopefully it should be fixed soon, and we look forward to hearing back from you if there are further problems once it is. :) |
| 14:23:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: That 4am update is actually the one that *causes* it. :) |
| 14:23:16 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd :) |
| 14:23:27 | ep0ch | what time is the dailybuild made? |
| 14:23:33 | Bg3r | btw, what happened with the theme contest ? |
| 14:23:39 | petur | with development now going on 24/24, what's the use of the dailies? |
| 14:23:50 | LinusN | Bg3r: it hasn't been announced yet |
| 14:23:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | ep0ch: Well, okay, it may fix the hard freeze, but it replaces it with a soft freeze. |
| 14:24:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Archival copies so that when something breaks people can get one from 24 hours ago. |
| 14:24:24 | petur | right |
| 14:24:40 | Kanashimi | Paul_The_Nerd: Ah, alright then, and sure. Thanks for the info, I'll let you know if I have any problems with the new version when it comes out :) Oh btw.. another question, what's with the volume level being reported in negatives in that build, too ? :) |
| 14:25:00 | petur | hey long time no see :P |
| 14:25:11 | petur | they're in dB now |
| 14:25:19 | petur | 0 is max |
| 14:25:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: Volume levels have been in negatives for a long time. It's a measurement of attenuation vs the base level of the file, as that's more useful functionally for people who need it. |
| 14:25:40 | B4gder | we're just a negative bunch! |
| 14:25:46 | B4gder | :-P |
| 14:25:50 | Kanashimi | Heh, alright :) |
| 14:26:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: The main advantage of that is that if you use Rockbox on an older device, then move to an iPod, if you were listening at -32 before, you'll be listening at it now too. |
| 14:26:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: As well, you also know that 0 is line out level (since some devices go into the positives, though this may result in clipping) |
| 14:27:00 | Kanashimi | Anyways, a thanks for you all for working on creating rockbox and porting it over to the iriver's too. I've been using the firmware for a while now, and in specific enjoyed some of the functions like bookmarks and so that the original firmware doesn't provide. |
| 14:27:20 | * | petur goes back to MFC coding :( |
| 14:27:37 | LinusN | speaking of bookmarks, it looks like rename() doesn't work when dircache is enabled |
| 14:27:39 | Kanashimi | Paul_The_Nerd: Ah hmm *nods some* so it's a more standard metric in that regard. |
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| 14:28:07 | Zoide777 | could someone lend me a hand w/ the ipod fifo & dma stuff for recording? |
| 14:28:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: Much moreso than just a percentage, yes. 100% would then mean different things on a target that can go from -83 to 0 than one that goes from -78 to +6 |
| 14:28:27 | preglow | petur: sweet lord, mfc :/ |
| 14:28:28 | Zoide777 | it looks almost impossible for someone like me who's not very familiar with how it works |
| 14:28:37 | preglow | give this man a valium |
| 14:29:01 | Zoide777 | and one for me too, please! |
| 14:29:06 | * | petur passes the valium in overdose on to the customer |
| 14:29:19 | Kanashimi | Paul_The_Nerd: Hmm, indeed, I see what you mean. Well thanks for clearing it up for me *small smile and a nod*. I'll just use the old version of rockbox I have for the moment and check up on a update in a few days or so. |
| 14:29:27 | preglow | Zoide777: going to ruin my lovely asm optimised fiq handler, are you? :/ |
| 14:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm. With WMA on the horizon, and MP3 recording an assumed likelihood, is there anything else from the H1x0 stock firmware Rockbox lacks? |
| 14:29:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: I would actually suggest waiting until May 1st. :) |
| 14:29:58 | Zoide777 | preglow: maybe yes, maybe no. i'm not too sure what i'm doing! :P |
| 14:30:04 | Kanashimi | Paul_The_Nerd: Oh ? |
| 14:30:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: There's a lot of changes in the works at the moment, but 3.0 *should* be available at or near that date, and hopefully it will be "stable" |
| 14:30:45 | preglow | Zoide777: don't worry about the asm handler, revert it to use the c handler instead, and i'll fix it when i can |
| 14:31:12 | Kanashimi | Paul_The_Nerd: Ah.. ok. Any major changes in specific ? |
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| 14:31:34 | Zoide777 | preglow: I don't quite understand what you mean by that... i'm trying to port ipod recording code from ipodlinux (audio.c) to rockbox's pcm_record.c |
| 14:32:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kanashimi: Well, Tagcache will hopefully be fully functional (or at least usably consistent). That's a database so you can find tracks by Artist, Album, or Genre. As well, there's a new language system, so it might actually say "Navi = Yes" in those Yes/No screens. :) Plus of course, bugfixes and optimizations, and Doom. |
| 14:32:22 | Zoide777 | the problem is that pcm_record.c is structured very differently, and it relies on variables like DCR1, BCR1, etc. that are not used by pp5020 from what i've been told |
| 14:32:44 | preglow | Zoide777: you probably can't use dma for ipod recording naywya |
| 14:32:48 | preglow | anyway, too |
| 14:32:54 | Zoide777 | why? |
| 14:34:23 | preglow | because we don't know how |
| 14:34:47 | Kanashimi | Paul_The_Nerd: Mm, alright :) Thanks again for the info, I'll need to run off now though. Sso take care everyone. |
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| 14:36:40 | Zoide777 | preglow: can't we just use the ipodlinux code? for example there is a function in their audio.c called "i2s_pp5020_rec_dma" |
| 14:42:06 | petur | Zoide777: porting != copying |
| 14:42:34 | petur | you'll obviously need to change it to fit into our recording framework |
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| 14:43:40 | petur | there's an init function that configures the dma currently, there you need to put the code to start it |
| 14:43:54 | preglow | Zoide777: they don't use dma |
| 14:44:06 | preglow | Zoide777: the function is named dma because they're doing soft dma |
| 14:44:15 | preglow | Zoide777: at least that's the way it is for playback code |
| 14:45:34 | petur | Zoide777: the current code uses a circular buffer consisting of chunks of 8KB and a pointer to the chunk that is currently being filled from hardware |
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| 14:46:40 | webmind | hmm, how do you turn on an ipod in deep sleep ? |
| 14:46:53 | lostlogic | Yeah, and I'm goign to do another fairly big commit to the audio stuff pretty soon, but I think we're past the downside of the functionality ladder. |
| 14:47:12 | Mikachu | webmind: menu |
| 14:47:52 | lostlogic | hmph, the filebuf is never filled up completely, only up to how many bytes it had space for when the fill process was initiated. |
| 14:47:57 | webmind | doesnt seem to work... |
| 14:47:58 | amiconn | lostlogic: That odd playback stop behaviour is still there. |
| 14:48:37 | lostlogic | amiconn: ok |
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| 14:48:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | webmind: Did you have some sort of error before it entered deep sleep? |
| 14:49:01 | Zoide777 | petur: and what are dcr1, etc? are they like registers? |
| 14:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | webmind: Try holding Menu + Select until it reboots. If that doesn't work, are you sure the battery is charged? |
| 14:49:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: doesn't happen on ipod that I've seen :-\ |
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| 14:49:35 | webmind | no error that I know |
| 14:49:47 | webmind | could be that the battery died while it was paused |
| 14:50:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | webmind: Well, if menu+select doesn't reboot it and wake it, then it needs charging. |
| 14:50:03 | webmind | it was in my pocket for 1 day without checking |
| 14:50:09 | petur | Zoide777: they're from the current implementation that uses dma |
| 14:50:11 | webmind | seems so |
| 14:50:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have to hold Menu + Select for several seconds (8? 10?) |
| 14:50:49 | petur | Zoide777: that's all code that needs to be replaced with proper handling for your platform |
| 14:50:54 | webmind | some better battery support for the nano would be lovely :) |
| 14:51:09 | amiconn | If I am playing music on my H300 and hit Stop, music stops immediately for ~0.1 sec, then continues for ~0.5 sec, then stops |
| 14:51:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's coming eventually. :) |
| 14:51:27 | Zoide777 | i see, so the ipod code in ipodlinux doesn't use real dma, but the non-ipod code in rockbox does use dma |
| 14:51:43 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:52:02 | amiconn | This is with voice enabled, and *sometimes* (if voice decides that it will be working), I can hear a short snippet of my music again when the first voice clip is played |
| 14:53:41 | Zoide777 | one thing i don't understand is the way the 3 letter variables appear to behave like functions. for example, the DMA transfer is started by the strange line "DCR1 = DMA_INT | DMA_EEXT | DMA_CS | DMA_DINC | DMA_START;" and is stopped by "DCR1=0" |
| 14:53:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: I continue to hate voice. |
| 14:53:47 | amiconn | lostlogic: Regarding your question about ide dma last night: No, rockbox doesn't use dma for ide transfers, on any platform |
| 14:54:01 | lostlogic | amiconn: k, thanks |
| 14:54:02 | Zoide777 | do they behave more like sentinels? |
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| 14:54:47 | amiconn | On sh1 (archos) it's not possible due to the endian swap. On iriver it might be possible, but we only have 2 dma channels, which are currently reserved exclusively for playback + recording |
| 14:54:59 | lostlogic | Zoide777: they are control registers. |
| 14:54:59 | petur | Zoide777: its a bunch of bits that get set in a register to start/stop DMA |
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| 14:55:31 | amiconn | Furthermore it might end up slower to use dma, as it doesn't use memory bursts in the required operating mode |
| 14:56:18 | lostlogic | amiconn: good to know, so no non-blocking IO for me :(:) |
| 14:56:30 | amiconn | I have no idea whether ide dma is possible on ipod |
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| 14:56:52 | amiconn | Disk IO is always blocking, even with dma. |
| 14:57:16 | amiconn | dma would just let other threads run during the transfer |
| 14:57:20 | Zoide777 | I'd just like to port recording to rockbox, no matter the mechanism :O |
| 14:57:34 | Zoide777 | tooooo much lost sleep already hehe |
| 14:57:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: right... |
| 14:58:06 | linuxstb_ | Zoide777: IMO, the best place to start will be to try and understand the playback code - comparing what's in Rockbox with what's in IPL. The same principle applies to recording, just that the transfer of data is in the opposite direction. |
| 14:59:04 | JdGordon | haha.. uni is gonna kill me :) ive been hogging one of the main remote-access unix boxes for nearly the last 4 hours (my program has been @ 99.9%cpu usage since it started :) ) |
| 14:59:19 | Zoide777 | i noticed that the ipodlinux pseudo-dma implementation uses constants such as "DMA_READ_OFF" that are set to "/* special locations in fast ram */" |
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| 14:59:38 | JdGordon | change that to nearly 5 hours :) |
| 14:59:55 | Zoide777 | for example 0x40000004, 0x40000008, 0x4000000c, 0x40000010. are those in use in rockbox? |
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| 15:00:01 | linuxstb_ | No. |
| 15:01:07 | linuxstb_ | For playback, IPL uses an 80KB ringbuffer in playback. Podzilla or MPD will put audio in this buffer, and the "fake DMA" function runs on the second processor (the COP) and is constantly trying to empty that ringbuffer. Communication via the main CPU and the COP is via those variables in IRAM. |
| 15:01:20 | linuxstb_ | In Rockbox, we do everything on the main CPU. |
| 15:01:45 | linuxstb_ | (replace "in playback" in the first sentence with "in IRAM") |
| 15:03:27 | linuxstb_ | Zoide777: Have you tried using the recording feature in ipodlinux? |
| 15:03:46 | Zoide777 | no |
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| 15:05:30 | linuxstb_ | But time for lunch. bbl. |
| 15:06:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know why ipl doesn't use dma? |
| 15:06:20 | Zoide777 | so, would it work if I just made those constants in rockbox and pretty much pasted over code from "i2s_pp5020_rec_dma" in audio.c (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/audio.c?view=markup)? |
| 15:06:59 | Zoide777 | well, i *really* gotta go to bed now... thanks for all the help |
| 15:07:23 | Zoide777 | feel free to have a try at the recording porting :D ... |
| 15:07:39 | Zoide777 | bye |
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| 15:10:46 | * | man_in_shack waves |
| 15:11:03 | * | JdGordon shoots.. |
| 15:11:08 | JdGordon | misses.. |
| 15:11:13 | JdGordon | bugger! |
| 15:11:34 | man_in_shack | fine then |
| 15:11:37 | * | man_in_shack vorbises |
| 15:11:38 | man_in_shack | :D |
| 15:12:08 | man_in_shack | wondering if rockbox supports 4G ipods. one page says yes, another says no |
| 15:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which one says "No?" |
| 15:13:05 | man_in_shack | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#Using_Rockbox_on_iPod |
| 15:13:16 | man_in_shack | "iPod Color/Photo, the iPod Nano, and the iPod Video" |
| 15:13:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 15:13:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Later in that page it actually talks about it specifically working on the 4G |
| 15:13:40 | man_in_shack | yay |
| 15:13:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure but I think Apple's firmware may still have graphical issues with the 4G bootloader though |
| 15:14:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, basically, with 4G Rockbox you have to choose, you can't have both properly. I think. It may have been yet another fix I missed. |
| 15:15:17 | man_in_shack | well if i end up getting an ipod, i will want to be sure of that before installing rockbox |
| 15:15:33 | man_in_shack | cos i want a portable ogg/mp3 player :D |
| 15:15:41 | JdGordon | rockbox works fine |
| 15:15:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, why would you want to go into retail then? |
| 15:16:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox itself works just fine on 4G. |
| 15:16:28 | man_in_shack | what you mean retail? |
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| 15:16:47 | petur | apple fw |
| 15:16:55 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 15:17:12 | Bg3r | Bagder ? |
| 15:17:18 | man_in_shack | will i still need apple fw for downloading files to the ipod? |
| 15:18:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 15:18:16 | man_in_shack | cool |
| 15:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is primarily filetree based, and iPods have a hardware disk mode. |
| 15:18:32 | man_in_shack | what's this about rockboy? |
| 15:18:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about it? |
| 15:18:58 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: The graphical issues with the rb bootloader on 4g grayscale + mini 2g are fixed |
| 15:18:59 | man_in_shack | what is it? |
| 15:19:06 | man_in_shack | amiconn, w00t |
| 15:19:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: thanks. I'll update the faq then |
| 15:19:23 | amiconn | I fixed that 3 days ago or so, and made new bootloaders |
| 15:19:36 | man_in_shack | ipod is looking like a promising option |
| 15:20:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I thought I remembered you making some changes to the display code, but I wasn't sure if they were a fix to it. :) |
| 15:20:41 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060404.html Check my 00:55 commit :) |
| 15:21:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Now that I see it, I remember reading that too. Ugh. One day I will actually be able to remember things. :) |
| 15:21:46 | man_in_shack | what sort of battery life can i expect from rockbox compared to say ipodlinux and apple' |
| 15:21:51 | man_in_shack | apple's estimates? |
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| 15:23:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | man_in_shack: Well, on the 2G Mini I believe ~75-80% of Apple's estimate was seen (though it was not a new battery.) Is that about right amiconn? |
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| 15:24:23 | Bg3r | amiconn okay, what should i do with these _PLAYER and _RECORDER things ? |
| 15:25:09 | Bg3r | if i deprecate them and make new LANG_IDs... it's like i haven't done nearly anything |
| 15:25:39 | Bg3r | s/i haven't done nearly anything/i have done nearly nothing |
| 15:26:55 | JdGordon | who was complaiing about the text viewer menu yesterday? |
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| 15:27:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: That was me |
| 15:28:06 | JdGordon | what about it annoys u? |
| 15:28:39 | lostlogic | I want to add "queue_post_single" to the queue functions in the kernel, both for scrolling and now for my audio buffer changes |
| 15:28:51 | lostlogic | any complaints? |
| 15:29:18 | Bg3r | amiconn ? |
| 15:30:02 | amiconn | lostlogic: ? |
| 15:30:14 | JdGordon | tisk tisk.. some1 let tabs into viewer.c!! |
| 15:32:07 | lostlogic | amiconn: it will post this event to the queue, only if it is not the same as the last event posted to the queue. |
| 15:32:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: I don't see why this would be needed as a general function. It somehow contradicts the purpose of a queue |
| 15:32:37 | amiconn | The button repeat is special, and it's already taken care of |
| 15:33:10 | lostlogic | amiconn: but it's not taken care of right... you _should_ be able to queue up a sequence of actions, including one or more scroll events |
| 15:33:14 | lostlogic | and you cannot do that currently |
| 15:33:22 | lostlogic | with queue_post_single you could |
| 15:36:20 | JdGordon | amiconn: what about the viewer menu do u not like? |
| 15:38:59 | amiconn | I don't like that it pops up when pressing Stop/Off |
| 15:39:08 | amiconn | That's unintuitive. |
| 15:39:16 | JdGordon | where else would u put it? |
| 15:39:27 | amiconn | It should be called by the appropriate Menu button for the target |
| 15:39:35 | amiconn | Stop/Off should exit |
| 15:39:56 | preglow | btw, i can't find the ^M being talked about in the mp3_encoder.c cygwin bug mail |
| 15:39:58 | JdGordon | i dont know if this will be accepted, but im changing the settings to be settable from the menu, so that could free up buttons so the menu could have a designated button.. |
| 15:42:05 | amiconn | That's something I was planning to do for a long time. |
| 15:42:22 | JdGordon | :) would it be acceptable for pre-3.0? |
| 15:42:54 | preglow | i think so |
| 15:42:54 | webmind | uhm... is there a way to enforce charging, or do a hardreset or something on a nano? |
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| 15:43:18 | webmind | after a disconnect it doesn't give me anything anymoreafter I copnnect it to usb |
| 15:44:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Holding Menu+Select performs a hard reset. |
| 15:44:27 | webmind | nm |
| 15:44:33 | webmind | yeah |
| 15:44:39 | webmind | it was locked :) |
| 15:44:53 | webmind | and for some reason it then doesn't go to usb mode either |
| 15:45:02 | amiconn | Should be done better sooner than later |
| 15:45:27 | amiconn | These cryptic combos are annoying, as I never remember the right ones |
| 15:45:56 | amiconn | The settings should be put in the menu, and made persistent via config file |
| 15:46:22 | amiconn | iirc they already are persistent (???) |
| 15:48:13 | Bg3r | amiconn please, reply to my question: should i mark _PLAYER and _RECORDER LANGids as deprecated and create new ones ? |
| 15:48:42 | lostlogic | amiconn: ok, I'll do it a different way, but we still need a better soln for wheel. |
| 15:49:37 | amiconn | Bg3r: Hmm, either that, or bump the lang version properly. |
| 15:49:47 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I can only guess that the IPL people don't know how the DMA works - either because the Apple firmware doesn't use it, or because they haven't r.e.'ed it yet. |
| 15:49:54 | preglow | amiconn: would you care to check if mp3_encoder has any bugs on cygwin? i can't find any carriage returns in the file |
| 15:49:59 | amiconn | If you go for the latter, you should also modify the strings in the other .lang files properly |
| 15:50:25 | Bg3r | amiconn imho it's better to bump the ver... |
| 15:50:37 | Bg3r | yes, i'll do this too |
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| 15:53:28 | amiconn | We still need to solve the ID numbering problem for voice, esp. since we don't bundle voices... |
| 15:54:22 | Bg3r | but there will be new voice clips for v3.0, yep? |
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| 15:57:21 | marevalo | hi, all |
| 15:57:34 | marevalo | i'm adding opening book to chessbox |
| 15:57:51 | preglow | ooh |
| 15:57:54 | marevalo | and get this on the recorder build: |
| 15:58:01 | marevalo | /storage/H120/sh/lib/gcc/sh-elf/3.4.5/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region OVERLAY_RAM is full (/storage/H120/rockbox-opening/build-recorder/apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.elf section .bss) |
| 15:58:22 | marevalo | probably it's just to big |
| 15:58:24 | preglow | then it's too big |
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| 15:58:37 | preglow | i don't know how big the overlay can be, though |
| 15:58:44 | linuxstb_ | I think you'll need to allocate the memory dynamically, rather than having a static buffer. |
| 15:59:08 | marevalo | well, the point is that dinamically or statically I will be using this memory |
| 15:59:17 | marevalo | it's the opening book |
| 15:59:25 | linuxstb_ | How big is it? |
| 15:59:41 | marevalo | I will try to check it |
| 15:59:51 | marevalo | how could I tell you? |
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| 16:00:52 | marevalo | 27566 2006-04-06 15:56 opening.o |
| 16:01:06 | marevalo | 43260 2006-04-06 15:56 gnuchess.o |
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| 16:02:35 | linuxstb_ | The Archos targets only have 2MB RAM in total. Is gnuchess now requiring a lot of memory? |
| 16:02:55 | marevalo | nop |
| 16:03:18 | Bg3r | marevalo on the archos targets the plugin size is max 32kb |
| 16:03:21 | marevalo | I think the problem is the overlay, I remeber something about smaller limits on the archoses |
| 16:03:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the iFP-790 will only have 1mb, if it ever resumes progress. |
| 16:03:34 | marevalo | ok |
| 16:03:51 | marevalo | I will try to estimate the size increment with this version |
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| 16:05:38 | linuxstb_ | My undertanding is that the overlay is a small plugin which loads the main plugin directly into the audio buffer. So the limit should be around 1.5MB. Your changes shouldn't be changing the overlay plugin. |
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| 16:07:08 | marevalo | well, by the moment I'm just checking memory use increment on this version |
| 16:07:42 | marevalo | but the opening book is just: unsigned short OBook[241][56]; |
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| 16:09:43 | marevalo | a H120 build, with openings: |
| 16:09:56 | marevalo | 62692 2006-04-06 16:03 rockbox-opening/build-h100/apps/plugins/chessbox.rock |
| 16:10:00 | marevalo | and without: |
| 16:10:08 | amiconn | marevalo: If the overlay ram on recorder isn't big enough, it is possible to extend it. I just made it a bit bigger than what was needed |
| 16:10:15 | marevalo | 35560 2006-04-06 16:07 rockbox-all/build-h100/apps/plugins/chessbox.rock |
| 16:10:19 | amiconn | Opening adds quite some code + data |
| 16:10:57 | marevalo | well, openings didn't add any code, it was still there and compiled (silly me) |
| 16:11:03 | amiconn | It's not only the binary size that counts. You need to add the .bss size. Check the .map fie |
| 16:11:13 | amiconn | *file |
| 16:12:06 | marevalo | what should I check? |
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| 16:12:49 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: So the "overlay RAM" is a fixed-sized part of the audio buffer? |
| 16:13:03 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:13:46 | amiconn | It is calculated downward from audiobuffer_end |
| 16:13:58 | marevalo | well, I tried to decrease the memory size of the opening book, but my C foo wasn't quite enough |
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| 16:14:10 | amiconn | That's because an overlay is linked exactly like a plugin, just with a different start address |
| 16:14:26 | marevalo | an opening is something like this: |
| 16:14:29 | marevalo | */ |
| 16:14:29 | marevalo | { |
| 16:14:29 | marevalo | 0x0C1C , 0x3424 , 0x0615 , 0x392A , 0x051A , 0x3D22 , 0x0B13 , 0x3E2D , |
| 16:14:29 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK marevalo |
| 16:14:29 | marevalo | 0x0112 , 0x332B , 0x0226 , 0x372F , 0x262D , 0x3B2D , 0x1223 , 0x2D3B , |
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| 16:14:33 | marevalo | 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , |
| 16:14:34 | marevalo | 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , |
| 16:14:36 | marevalo | 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , |
| 16:14:38 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 16:14:38 | marevalo | 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , |
| 16:14:40 | marevalo | 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 , 0x0000 |
| 16:14:42 | marevalo | } |
| 16:14:52 | marevalo | so there is some memory overuse |
| 16:15:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, it's clear to me now. How big is it currently? |
| 16:15:51 | amiconn | marevalo: In your recorder build dir, check apps\plugins\chessbox\chessbox.map |
| 16:15:58 | marevalo | ok |
| 16:16:16 | amiconn | OVERLAY_RAM should start at 0x091d8000 currently |
| 16:16:32 | amiconn | Check the address of _plugin_end_addr |
| 16:16:55 | marevalo | 0x00000000091fb4ec _plugin_end_addr = . |
| 16:17:14 | amiconn | Aha, so it's just a bit too big |
| 16:17:24 | marevalo | just a bit? |
| 16:17:27 | amiconn | Is that with some things disabled you would like to enable? |
| 16:17:38 | amiconn | Yes, less than 16KB |
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| 16:18:06 | aXp | hi all |
| 16:18:07 | marevalo | well, I can save more or less 50% of the memory the opening book is currently using |
| 16:18:28 | marevalo | but I would need some help with my faulty C |
| 16:18:57 | aXp | i now installed rockbox on my ipod nano but i cant use the itrip for the ipod nano(griffin) anyone has it got working? |
| 16:18:58 | amiconn | I'm not talking about disabling things. I rather want to estimate how much we should increase the overlay area for chessbox on archos |
| 16:19:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | aXp: No. |
| 16:19:26 | amiconn | Since it is still fairly small, we could just give it some more than absolutely necessary |
| 16:19:27 | linuxstb | aXp: No, Rockbox doesn't support accessories that communicate with the ipod. |
| 16:20:00 | marevalo | well, apart from this change (openings) the other thing I should add is just a little bit of code before my target for the freeze |
| 16:20:00 | RoC_MM | The MONSTER line of FM transmitters work. |
| 16:20:40 | marevalo | think on your time is already on the code, I just should find a clever way to activate it on a uni-thread environment |
| 16:20:55 | marevalo | but it shouldn't be so much code |
| 16:21:44 | marevalo | so 56 or 64k should be more than enough |
| 16:22:25 | marevalo | I can tell you that I will try to use also any remaining memory for the transposition table once the features are finished |
| 16:22:55 | aXp | thx |
| 16:23:31 | amiconn | marevalo: Open apps/plugins/chessbox/archos.lds, and change line 11 to |
| 16:23:35 | amiconn | #define OVERLAY_LENGTH 0x30000 |
| 16:23:55 | amiconn | (192 KB instead of 128KB, i.e. 64KB more) |
| 16:23:56 | JdGordon | ok, ive moved all the viewer options to the menu.. should i remove all the key combos to set the otions and set 1 key to show the menu? or keep the combos and change 1 to show the menu? |
| 16:24:19 | amiconn | Please remove all option combos |
| 16:24:31 | JdGordon | .. done and done |
| 16:24:31 | amiconn | (but not the scrolling) |
| 16:24:39 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 16:24:58 | JdGordon | ye, ive added a new option to change the default to scroll by line or page.. |
| 16:25:10 | JdGordon | default being page |
| 16:25:21 | amiconn | marevalo: You could also change the comment at the top. It still says 'rockboy' |
| 16:25:28 | marevalo | ok |
| 16:25:41 | marevalo | building |
| 16:26:19 | marevalo | built ok |
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| 16:26:37 | marevalo | should I add this change to the finished patch? |
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| 16:35:11 | amiconn | marevalo: yes |
| 16:35:48 | lostlogic | bagh, my new buffering stuff seems great... until it starts miss-buffering and causing codec failure all over the map. but now, to work. |
| 16:35:56 | marevalo | amiconn: ok, thanks, will send a patch this afternoon once checked on a couple of targets |
| 16:39:42 | linuxstb | Are there any Etymotic ER4P owners here? Cassandra? |
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| 16:53:45 | * | petur wonders if there's an STL guru lurking around |
| 16:55:34 | warthawg | i may look like i am playing doom on my nano, but in reality, i am researching |
| 16:56:23 | Mikachu | i tried to run a timedemo but i got a data abort instead |
| 16:57:57 | linuxstb | Can you replicate it? |
| 16:58:06 | goffa_ | he he he.. playing doom seems to be the thing to do around here lately |
| 16:58:36 | Mikachu | hm, didn't kkurbjun say he fixed the menu select thing on ipods? |
| 16:59:03 | Mikachu | my graphics are very corrupt and stuff too, before it crashes |
| 16:59:08 | Mikachu | so maybe i have a strange build |
| 16:59:48 | preglow | petur: as in c++? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:23 | petur | yeah... was wondering if one is allowed to compare iterators with reverse_iterators |
| 17:00:54 | petur | but already changed it to a normal one to be safe ;) |
| 17:01:22 | nudel | see if there's an operator< defined which takes both as an argument |
| 17:02:14 | petur | nevermind - no time to experiment |
| 17:02:20 | nudel | fair nuff :) |
| 17:02:29 | nudel | i'd probably do the same thing |
| 17:02:42 | petur | workload ;) |
| 17:03:20 | Mikachu | hrm, now that i think, it's strange that doom ever worked here... |
| 17:03:27 | Mikachu | how much ram does it need, and where does it allocate it from? |
| 17:03:32 | linuxstb | I was just thinking the same - with your tiny audio buffer. |
| 17:03:38 | linuxstb | The audio buffer. |
| 17:03:52 | Mikachu | is 26MB enough? |
| 17:04:03 | linuxstb | I thought your plugin buffer was 26MB? |
| 17:04:06 | preglow | should be ample, i think |
| 17:04:16 | Mikachu | yes, i was thinking about changing it to use the plugin buffer |
| 17:04:44 | linuxstb | Yes, as preglow said, I'm sure 26MB is ample. |
| 17:05:07 | preglow | why the hell is your plugin buffer so big? |
| 17:05:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to ask something similar, though with less invocations of afterlives. I was curious what benefit there is since all the plugins fit anyway. |
| 17:05:50 | Mikachu | i wanted to view a large jpeg while listening to music :P |
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| 17:06:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 17:06:02 | Mikachu | well, now it says allocated 26000kB zone buffer, but the same thing happens |
| 17:06:07 | preglow | highres map of the world? |
| 17:06:14 | Mikachu | but i'm not going to make you run around and look for things when i've changed so much |
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| 17:06:39 | Mikachu | preglow: the jpeg plugin needs to fit the whole uncompressed image |
| 17:06:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd, I think Doom only requires 4mb |
| 17:06:47 | preglow | Mikachu: know |
| 17:06:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | 8mb for Doom 2.. |
| 17:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I remember well. |
| 17:07:03 | preglow | it doesn't require much |
| 17:07:12 | preglow | i ran it on machines with waaaay less then 32 megs ram |
| 17:07:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 17:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's either 2/4 or 4/8 I think |
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| 17:07:53 | Mikachu | i'll just wait passively a couple of days |
| 17:09:12 | preglow | Mikachu: sounds like you'll be doing more looking at the progress bare than viewing pictures anyway |
| 17:09:17 | preglow | bar... |
| 17:09:30 | Mikachu | yeah, it takes a while to decode |
| 17:10:05 | Mikachu | i guess i have a big plugin buffer mostly out of spite |
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| 17:10:26 | preglow | so that's why you made that plugin buffer clearing patch |
| 17:10:26 | preglow | hahaha |
| 17:10:33 | Mikachu | yes :) |
| 17:10:42 | Mikachu | it took like 10 seconds to load a plugin before |
| 17:10:50 | Mikachu | but it still speeds up loading with 512k buffers |
| 17:10:56 | Mikachu | or maybe that was placebo |
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| 17:12:25 | Mikachu | i cvs up -D'ed to a couple days ago and it seems to run fine |
| 17:13:43 | preglow | i can't think of any reason we shouldn't commit it |
| 17:13:53 | lostlogic | Slasheri: ping? |
| 17:15:13 | Slasheri | hi :) |
| 17:16:25 | lostlogic | So, I'm totally abusing the playback engine... and I have a question... In design, what is the purpose of the track_count variable? |
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| 17:17:05 | Slasheri | hmm, i will check the code if it has a real meaning.. just a moment |
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| 17:17:52 | lostlogic | Slasheri: thanks :) I think I've finally got a handle on the _buffer_ handling, but the track struct handling is still difficult :-\ |
| 17:18:12 | Slasheri | yeah, it's used to prevent the ring structure overflowing.. and when clearing the buffers so correct track entries are cleared |
| 17:18:34 | lostlogic | Slasheri: ok, I think it may be my next victim (muahahaha) |
| 17:18:57 | Slasheri | :D i hope you do some extensive testing after changing the code.. |
| 17:19:33 | Slasheri | because even the smallest changes like to break some parts from the engine :) |
| 17:19:50 | Slasheri | so you are thinking about converting that ring structure to a dynamic list? |
| 17:21:24 | lostlogic | Slasheri: not yet... but I prefer to do things in a mathematically correct way, then see what I've forgotten (when Paul_The_Nerd and ep0ch report) and then fix my math and try again... |
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| 17:21:41 | lostlogic | it's impossible to test every corner case and weirdness, but it's possible to mathematically capture them all :) |
| 17:22:19 | lostlogic | Slasheri: it's broken in CVS already, and will probably continue to be so for the next week or so as every major change will fix some things and break others until it restabilizes. |
| 17:22:38 | Slasheri | well, yeah. but you are going to remove that track_count variable? |
| 17:22:54 | lostlogic | Slasheri: it is likely that it will fall victim to a refactoring. |
| 17:23:01 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 17:23:12 | lostlogic | Slasheri: but now that I think of it, that might not happen until the tracks become a linked list. |
| 17:23:44 | Slasheri | yep, it shouldn't.. and probably not even after the linked lists are implemented |
| 17:23:57 | Slasheri | because it's always good to know how many tracks are currently loaded in the buffer |
| 17:24:30 | lostlogic | I can't think of a good reason with linked lists to know how many tracks are in memory, only that there are tracks, and whether or not each track is in the ringbuffer or not. |
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| 17:25:44 | lostlogic | but any way, I'm not there yet. right now I need to figure out why my work to fix some track skipping errors has decided to break buffering completely. |
| 17:26:49 | lostlogic | I was hoping you'd tell me that track count was a magical variable and that would tell me that it was the probable cause for my current effedupness |
| 17:27:57 | Slasheri | hehe, there shouldn't be any magic with that :) unless you have already touched it |
| 17:28:16 | Slasheri | but current implementation absolutely requires that track count |
| 17:28:21 | lostlogic | nope, haven't done anything to it yet. |
| 17:29:01 | Slasheri | or maybe not "absolutely" but it makes things easier and cleaner |
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| 17:31:30 | lostlogic | yah, I understand how it is used now. |
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| 17:44:24 | webguest54 | hello guys |
| 17:44:55 | webguest54 | I installed the bleeding edge build and playback engine is completly crazy |
| 17:45:01 | lostlogic | Slasheri: what happens if you skip backwards to a track that was set to use the track earlier than itself in the buffer's codec? Force buffer refill to get the codec? |
| 17:45:24 | lostlogic | webguest54: yes, that is likely, it's undergoing a complete sandblasting. |
| 17:45:29 | webguest54 | every few seconds HD activity.... + no skiping possible, are those problems for all? |
| 17:46:05 | webguest54 | lostlogic: will you fix this *soon* or need do dowgrade? |
| 17:46:06 | lostlogic | I've been rewhacking major parts of it. I think the version that is in CVS right now will be buffering far far too often. |
| 17:46:13 | Slasheri | lostlogic: yep, buffer refill is forced if that happens |
| 17:46:30 | webguest54 | just few seconds buffered |
| 17:46:45 | lostlogic | webguest54: soon is relative, I use the software daily and the version that I'm working on is worse than CVS so I'm actively working on it, but I'd guess I won't have another commit until afternoon (CDT) |
| 17:46:55 | webguest54 | all the buffer isn't used, it's why needed HD activity so often |
| 17:47:06 | lostlogic | webguest54: yes, of course. |
| 17:47:28 | webguest54 | ok, I can wait then, thanks for work on it |
| 17:47:37 | lostlogic | webguest54: cool |
| 17:48:13 | webguest54 | will be the playback engine and pcm buffer, better after those reworks? I assume yes |
| 17:48:24 | lostlogic | that is the hope, of course :) |
| 17:48:34 | webguest54 | that's great then :) |
| 17:48:36 | lostlogic | I'm not touching the pcmbuffer at this time though. |
| 17:48:46 | lostlogic | I already abused it a few months ago |
| 17:49:39 | * | webguest54 will not use his iriver until you fixe the problem |
| 17:49:56 | webguest54 | :-] |
| 17:50:00 | amiconn | Mikachu, preglow: Buffer clearing patch? What's that do? |
| 17:50:19 | lostlogic | I'll do my best, however I am currently using my iPod with the issues *shrug* just hafta fiddle with it sometimes to keep it playing. |
| 17:51:23 | webguest54 | lostolgic: cheers for this *no-payed* hard works |
| 17:51:55 | lostlogic | *hides under his desk* I'm being payed... sorta... in that I'm at my _paying_ job doing this work :-P |
| 17:52:04 | webguest54 | time for me to go and keep my DAP in my bag since I can't use it with this build and no usb cable here |
| 17:52:24 | webguest54 | lostlogic hahaha XD, great plan |
| 17:52:39 | webguest54 | bye |
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| 17:55:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: It was something to do with not memsetting the entire plugin buffer. It's here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3022 |
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| 17:58:48 | marevalo | ok, the Chessbox opening book patch is at the tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5052 |
| 17:59:18 | marevalo | no more boring games ;-) |
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| 18:00:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, while I don't think this is absolutely necessary (I never noticed a delay resulting from the buffer clearing), it shouldn't hurt to include this. The change is minimal |
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| 18:00:18 | amiconn | (and it could in fact be applied to the overlay loader as well |
| 18:00:19 | amiconn | ) |
| 18:01:18 | lostlogic | what happens on a double close in rockbox? ie fd = open(); close(fd); close(fd);? |
| 18:01:28 | amiconn | Nothing |
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| 18:01:50 | lostlogic | ok |
| 18:01:53 | amiconn | The second close() will find the file descriptor already closed and terminate |
| 18:02:15 | amiconn | Not closing a file is far worse |
| 18:03:12 | amiconn | Leaking file descriptors, and their number is fixed... |
| 18:03:32 | lostlogic | *nod* is there any reasonable chance that the same file descriptor would have been assigned to another caller to open() in the meantime and thereby causing another application to get a closed descriptor suddenly? |
| 18:03:48 | lostlogic | (I'm planning to prevent this nonetheless, but was just wondering) |
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| 18:06:51 | amiconn | Hmm, now that you mention it.... that might happen |
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| 18:07:31 | amiconn | You would then close the other thread's descriptor, with the effect that the other thread's read(), write() etc calls will al fail |
| 18:07:40 | lostlogic | yarr |
| 18:08:26 | Mikachu | amiconn: i've had the patch applied for a month or two, no problems |
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| 18:09:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: (with EBADF) |
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| 18:10:01 | Lamed | hello everybody |
| 18:10:31 | lostlogic | so basically, it's important to 1) not leak descriptors and 2) not double close if another thread has run in the meantime |
| 18:10:40 | amiconn | yep |
| 18:11:22 | amiconn | The mpeg thread on archos has a simple mechanism to ensure this |
| 18:12:10 | Lamed | I'm gonna be off an internet connection for a long while. can someone suggest me a way of downloading everything from rockbox's site? (the www package is obsolete btw) |
| 18:12:13 | amiconn | There's a global fd variable (the mpeg thread opens only one file at a time) which is set by open(), and reset to -1 after close() |
| 18:12:30 | amiconn | So, closing means |
| 18:12:35 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, same in the swcodec, except I think I abused it this morning. |
| 18:13:48 | Kyomi|off | Hey you all |
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| 18:13:54 | | Join tianjing_ [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) |
| 18:13:58 | Kyomi | I have a question about the Doom game |
| 18:14:06 | Kyomi | What happened to the strafe key? |
| 18:14:34 | | Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:14:42 | linuxstb | You should now be able to define your own keys in Doom. |
| 18:14:47 | Kyomi | Oooo |
| 18:14:51 | Kyomi | *goes to update it* |
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| 18:15:07 | Mikachu | i'm trying to find the commit that broke it here |
| 18:15:13 | luckz | is %ik for displaying discnumber in the current CVS build? |
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| 18:18:01 | Kyomi | I'm guessing Doom is updated in the experimental build now too? |
| 18:18:09 | Kyomi | One more question |
| 18:18:16 | lostlogic | I don't think anyone is updating the experimental build any more...? |
| 18:18:23 | Mikachu | Kyomi: do you mean cvs build? |
| 18:18:30 | Kyomi | Is there an option like... "always strafe"? |
| 18:19:53 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I think paulheu has taken over the H300 experimental build. |
| 18:20:05 | lostlogic | ah, my mistake. |
| 18:20:10 | Kyomi | http://rockbox.audiostuff.info :) |
| 18:20:18 | Mikachu | found it |
| 18:20:25 | linuxstb | Someone is also doing a h1x0 "optimized build"... |
| 18:20:31 | Mikachu | * d_englsh.h, doomdef.h, m_menu.c, m_misc.c, rockdoom.c: Fix up configurable keys, edit exit string, more work needs to be done on menu keys |
| 18:20:54 | Mikachu | does 0063bec8 tell you anything? |
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| 18:22:35 | Kyomi | damnit |
| 18:22:39 | Kyomi | Oh well.. |
| 18:22:40 | lostlogic | alright, latest CVS is much less broken, although skipping backwards seems to be unreliable for some ungodly reason. it's starting to feel under control. |
| 18:23:12 | Mikachu | but that doesn't make any sense... why would that break the graphics? |
| 18:23:23 | Mikachu | i wonder if cvs update -D "clock" is my time or cvs server time |
| 18:23:46 | Mikachu | looks like it's my time though, so it is that commit |
| 18:23:49 | linuxstb | You can specify a timezone in "clock" |
| 18:23:53 | linuxstb | (I think) |
| 18:24:23 | preglow | arghghh |
| 18:24:40 | * | preglow kicks gcc |
| 18:24:45 | Mikachu | i don't suppose i can make cvs diff a directory between two dates? |
| 18:25:09 | linuxstb | You can do it easily with the web interface. |
| 18:25:19 | linuxstb | (but only on single files...) |
| 18:25:24 | Mikachu | yeah, i looked at those |
| 18:25:36 | linuxstb | I guess you just have to download two copies and do a diff. |
| 18:25:42 | Mikachu | okay |
| 18:25:48 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't exactly look like the 64 bit issue will see a quick resolution |
| 18:25:55 | linuxstb | Mikachu: What's the problem you're trying to find? |
| 18:26:07 | Mikachu | linuxstb: data abort and broken graphics in the two seconds before that |
| 18:26:37 | lostlogic | diff [-kl] [rcsdiff_options] [[-r rev1 | -D date1] [-r rev2 | -D |
| 18:26:37 | lostlogic | date2]] [files...] |
| 18:26:43 | amiconn | preglow: How do you know? I didn't get any mail so far regarding this bug... |
| 18:26:50 | lostlogic | why wouldn't you be able to diff between two dates? |
| 18:26:51 | Mikachu | ahah, there i go |
| 18:27:01 | Mikachu | i just assumed it wouldn't work :P |
| 18:27:03 | preglow | amiconn: because the only guy who seems to be interested in fixing it doesn't seem to have time to fix it |
| 18:27:19 | lostlogic | that would be one shitty SCM tool. |
| 18:27:36 | Mikachu | cvs is not in so high regard with me |
| 18:28:17 | lostlogic | CVS may not be the be-all, end-all it used to be, but it's still a functional and robust tool... |
| 18:28:47 | lostlogic | I still gotta find some time to learn and play with git myself. |
| 18:28:53 | luckz | how do I know if some patches already made their way into the cvs? |
| 18:29:03 | preglow | luckz: they should be closed in the tracker |
| 18:29:14 | lostlogic | luckz: patch −−dry-run < patchfile to see if it says "reversed"? |
| 18:30:26 | luckz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4961 <- so this one isnt in. is there any easy way to get it? is quite necessary for me unless I want to re-tag a huge lot of music for portable use. |
| 18:31:07 | lostlogic | Slasheri: let me know what you think of my last 3 or 4 commits to playback.c, combined they are a pretty major rehack, but I think they pave the way for us to stabilize this thing for 3.0. |
| 18:33:07 | Lamed | guys: any chance of recommanding me something so i could download everything from rockbox.org (html, that is mostly) |
| 18:33:23 | Mikachu | why would you want to? |
| 18:34:03 | amiconn | preglow: For some reason I start to dislike gcc. I have now filed 2 bug reports, which seem to be ignored more or less. |
| 18:35:34 | Lamed | mikachu: i'll be off an internet connection for a while, and i want to be able to view the wiki and stuff for information |
| 18:35:41 | Mikachu | ah |
| 18:35:46 | linuxstb | luckz: That seems a reasonable patch to me, but I think it's up to Slasheri to add it to tagcache - tagache is his baby. But remember that we are currently in a feature freeze in preparation for releasing 3.0. |
| 18:36:02 | preglow | amiconn: they aren't known for their ability to fix bugs |
| 18:36:15 | Mikachu | Lamed: wget -r rockbox.org should work |
| 18:36:34 | preglow | amiconn: you could join their irc channel and ask if someone wants to fix it, i've done it, but like i said, only one guy seems to care |
| 18:36:39 | preglow | perhaps more people nagging will help |
| 18:37:24 | preglow | their dev channel is irc.oftc.net/#gcc |
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| 18:37:55 | Lamed | mikachu: how does wget handels files? what will i end up with..? |
| 18:38:16 | Mikachu | Lamed: ? you'll end up with lots of files |
| 18:38:25 | Mikachu | you may want to do wget -kr rockbox.org now that you mention it |
| 18:41:21 | Slasheri | hmm, that disc number patch looks ok, but i don't know what others like about committing that during the feature freeze |
| 18:41:56 | Lamed | mikachu: yeah, I should... but will it download .pdf s, .exe 's ? |
| 18:42:00 | luckz | Slasheri: how would I go about using that and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2974 on my player? |
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| 18:42:31 | Mikachu | Lamed: -A html,htm |
| 18:43:00 | Mikachu | linuxstb__: this is the commit that breaks doom for me, http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/doom/m_misc.c?r1=1.2&r2=1.3 |
| 18:43:05 | Slasheri | in fact both of the patches looks good. But the tagcache patch requires some modifying to apply it to the latest cvs |
| 18:43:16 | Mikachu | linuxstb__: updated all files to newest cvs and reverted that one, and everything works (except opening the menu of course) |
| 18:43:26 | Slasheri | as the tagtree codes has changed a bit |
| 18:43:45 | Slasheri | -s |
| 18:43:51 | lostlogic | hmph, I've managed to reduce playback.c by 12 functional lines, but overall increase by 20 lines, must break that bad commenting habit I've developed. |
| 18:44:07 | luckz | what tags are %rr and %rp actually? %rp at least doesn't seem to be the same as %PLAY_COUNTER% in foobar. |
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| 18:45:18 | Lamed | mikachu: thanks! i've found a windows wget binary build and it's working rather nice :) but i'm very sceptic if this would ever finish in a reasonable time :/ |
| 18:45:29 | Mikachu | heh, yeah it'll take a while |
| 18:46:28 | luckz | Slasheri: I assume that means I should either develop insane coding skills or just give up on it for now, correct? |
| 18:46:46 | Mikachu | Lamed: also note links won't be made relative until it finishes, so if you press ctrl-c they're unchanged |
| 18:47:48 | Slasheri | luckz: well, that requires only very little code changes.. i think you can probably find out what to do if you look at the code carefully and what has changed and how =) |
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| 18:52:45 | luckz | what's easiest and less hasslesome for coding on windows - cygwin, colinux or vmware? |
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| 18:53:59 | Lamed | mikachu: kinda silly, it's downloading the huge irc logs... and it stays as a background procces if i'll ctrl+c it. :/ what's the -c switch any good for? |
| 18:54:15 | Mikachu | -c should resume broken downloads |
| 18:54:20 | Slasheri | lostlogic: well, with a quick look through four past diffs combined, i didn't see anything too major. Just some comments were funny and scary, like "wind the buffer...", but then i saw there wasn't actual code changes but just the comments =) |
| 18:54:27 | Mikachu | Lamed: it would also be a good idea to start in /twiki and give -np |
| 18:54:41 | Slasheri | lostlogic: but of course something might be still broken |
| 18:55:41 | Lamed | mikachu: my bad, ctrl+break puts in in the background. there's no way to skip to next file isnt' it? |
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| 18:55:48 | Mikachu | Lamed: i doubt it |
| 18:56:03 | Mikachu | Lamed: i think you can give patterns of filenames to ignore though |
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| 18:57:51 | Lamed | mikachu: wget -r rockbox.org/twiki -np |
| 18:57:53 | Lamed | for now |
| 18:58:03 | RoC_MM | :-! |
| 18:58:08 | Lamed | i can exclude extentions with -R |
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| 19:07:17 | Slasheri | lostlogic: hmm, the latest cvs seems to be very broken by the playback.. |
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| 19:07:36 | amiconn | Lamed: IRC logs are just ~90MB |
| 19:07:37 | Slasheri | pause is very laggy and playback continously stops/skips |
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| 19:08:04 | Slasheri | even after i pressed stop, i still get some continous random noises |
| 19:08:18 | Slasheri | and suddenly playback starts for five seconds until buffer runs out! :D |
| 19:09:04 | Slasheri | it seems that pause doesn't respond at all while buffering.. |
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| 19:10:05 | borges_ | hi there, just wondering: can you make the ipod nano louder with rockbox than it actually is with the default firmware? |
| 19:10:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think so, yes. |
| 19:10:24 | Lamed | amiconn: i don't have any use of them, not that bored after all |
| 19:10:32 | preglow | borges_: yes |
| 19:10:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though going above 0 can result in clipping |
| 19:10:43 | borges_ | nice. |
| 19:10:45 | Slasheri | and pressing stop causes really weird effects.. it takes over 10s for the playback to actually stop (i have a large crossfade buffer) |
| 19:10:56 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: retailos is capped at far lower than 0db |
| 19:11:25 | Mikachu | they released a new version where you can set a limit, but i don't know how high the max is there |
| 19:11:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I was just clarifying on the 0 thing before there's any "Rockbox distorts my music" posts. :) |
| 19:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: The limit you can set is downward from the current Retail cap, I believe |
| 19:11:59 | Slasheri | well, it seems there are still a long way for a stable playback now... =) |
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| 19:13:06 | borges_ | so the volume limit isn't in the hardware or sth., right? |
| 19:13:40 | preglow | borges_: correct |
| 19:13:48 | Mikachu | linuxstb__: heh, i just needed to remove defaults.dfg |
| 19:13:56 | borges_ | cool. i think i'm gonna buy the nano with intent of playing around with rockbox. from what i've seen this really seems to be what i'm looking for :D |
| 19:14:00 | Lamed | how can i tell the size of a site's folder? say /documentation? |
| 19:14:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | borges_: That is the best way to do it. The Nano with Rockbox is exceptional if you don't go into it with a desire to see a reproduction of how Apple works. Everything Retail does is there, and a lot more, but it doesn't have the polish to the interface some people expect. |
| 19:14:54 | Mikachu | Lamed: download it and check... |
| 19:15:08 | Slasheri | lostlogic: there seems to be even buffering errors.. (errorneus glitches during playback).. |
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| 19:15:31 | Mikachu | Lamed: does it have an index? |
| 19:15:50 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: we aren't exactly owning retailos in the database department yet |
| 19:15:57 | Lamed | mikachu: DocsIndex? |
| 19:16:16 | Mikachu | Lamed: hm, i guess you could download just the http header for each file referenced |
| 19:16:21 | Mikachu | but i don't think wget has a switch for it |
| 19:16:33 | Lamed | wget can spider |
| 19:16:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:17:00 | Lamed | but i think it doesn't knows the file size until the time it finishes downloading it |
| 19:17:20 | Mikachu | it knows the file when it starts downloading if you look closer |
| 19:17:21 | borges_ | nah, i don't care about the default interface. |
| 19:17:33 | borges_ | i just love (and need) those extra codecs and features like directory structure, mass storage etc. |
| 19:17:49 | borges_ | plus i like to customize things like *i* want them to be. |
| 19:18:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Yeah, but other than "Play All" buttons at each level, we basically offer what they do. |
| 19:18:27 | Lamed | mikachu: i've looked. are you certain? |
| 19:18:44 | Mikachu | yes |
| 19:18:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Besides, I said "everything it does" is there. I consider that more of an interface difference, since from the filetree you can do a lot more anyway. |
| 19:18:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
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| 19:19:39 | Mikachu | Lamed: hm, but it looks like rockbox' web server doesn't tell sizes |
| 19:20:03 | preglow | lostlogic: wasn't there some patch to make gcc use addq and subq more often? |
| 19:20:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Q: Should rockbox be able to play all WAV files now, or are there still unsupported things? |
| 19:20:32 | crashd | Lamed: it cant guesstimate how big a website will be, as it doesnt know until it's spidered it, and by then you have it all alreayd, if you get me |
| 19:20:38 | Lamed | yepp, that's what i ment. but somebody here outa know this kind of stuff won't they? |
| 19:20:50 | Mikachu | Bagder would know |
| 19:20:53 | crashd | well, if you ask whoever the web admin is, he could find out |
| 19:21:11 | crashd | there was a 'nicely' in there somewhere ;) |
| 19:21:44 | Lamed | crashd: i think wget can get file sizes if the server tells them, but rockbox.org doesn't seems to support them iiuc |
| 19:22:33 | crashd | Lamed: works fine here |
| 19:22:40 | crashd | Length: 2,332,711 [application/zip] |
| 19:22:47 | crashd | for the CVS build of ipodvideo rock |
| 19:22:53 | crashd | might be your win32 build tbh |
| 19:22:59 | Lamed | crashd, what switches? |
| 19:23:03 | crashd | try another one, there's various ones based on different branches |
| 19:23:06 | crashd | wget <url> |
| 19:23:30 | Lamed | crashd: acctually i've thought about it. it was compiled in 1999 |
| 19:23:30 | crashd | as i say, there is 2 main branches of wget, either that or they changed their interface at some point |
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| 19:23:46 | crashd | one does a text percentage bar, and one doesnt |
| 19:23:48 | crashd | yeah |
| 19:23:52 | crashd | try getting a newer build :) |
| 19:23:53 | crashd | what ver is it ? |
| 19:24:14 | crashd | http://users.ugent.be/~bpuype/wget/#download |
| 19:24:19 | crashd | has a dec 2005 build |
| 19:24:52 | crashd | hmm, that doesn't seem to work |
| 19:25:02 | Lamed | yepp, i've just g00gled it myself |
| 19:25:30 | crashd | 1.9.1 is the version on my bsd box |
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| 19:26:10 | crashd | hmm, might be something to do with windows then, rather than the build |
| 19:26:20 | crashd | what are you trying to do, anyway ? |
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| 19:28:29 | Lamed | carry out as much information as i can from the site before i'm going off the cyberweb for a week, so i could read and learn |
| 19:28:45 | crashd | from the wiki? |
| 19:29:36 | Mikachu | the html pages don't have sizes |
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| 19:29:41 | Lamed | new wget tells me the file size, but it won't work -r <recursively> and i still can't tell a complete folder size (www.rockbox.org/twiki ex) |
| 19:29:43 | Mikachu | presumably because they're generated |
| 19:30:13 | Lamed | mikachu: apperently they do |
| 19:30:14 | Lamed | 20:28:24 (33.47 KB/s) - `www.rockbox.org/index.html' saved |
| 19:30:20 | crashd | arent the wiki pages actually static, just you can edit them via a 'dynamic interface' |
| 19:30:23 | Mikachu | that's a speed |
| 19:30:33 | Lamed | maybe it's just stated after the download was completed |
| 19:30:39 | Mikachu | that doesn't help you a lot |
| 19:30:45 | Lamed | crashd? |
| 19:30:49 | crashd | n/m |
| 19:30:53 | crashd | why dont you just set it spidering and leave it? |
| 19:31:00 | crashd | it's only text anyway, shouldnt take too lon |
| 19:31:00 | crashd | g |
| 19:31:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Correct me if I'm wrong, but you shouldn't have to adjust horizontal and vertical position of the image on an LCD monitor should you? |
| 19:31:09 | crashd | or ask the webadmin to tar up the wiki directory and get it all in one hit |
| 19:31:17 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i don't think so |
| 19:31:19 | crashd | thus reducing the load you're creating by using websuck :) |
| 19:31:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: That's what I thought. I'm trying to figure out why I can on mine. |
| 19:31:33 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: since there's no electron beam, it should know where the image is going |
| 19:31:53 | Mikachu | especially if it's dvi stuff |
| 19:32:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's not dvi. I suppose that might be it. |
| 19:32:37 | Mikachu | maybe it's possible for the graphics card to send the data so it's unaligned then |
| 19:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an old bugger. I actually have it hooked up to my PS2 by way of this horrible little adapter, so it's even worse. |
| 19:33:03 | Lamed | crashd: i _am_. it's currently harvesting the wiki. i was wondering how and if it can be done. |
| 19:33:26 | Mikachu | i guess google does it every day |
| 19:33:32 | Mikachu | (probably not day) |
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| 19:34:14 | Lamed | zagor? |
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| 19:34:57 | Lamed | for a different subject: how do i attend files under VMware? |
| 19:35:06 | crashd | attend? |
| 19:35:28 | crashd | Mikachu: google spiders run a weekly basis, or at least they used too |
| 19:35:37 | crashd | that doesnt mean a site will get reindexed once a week tho |
| 19:35:39 | crashd | obv. |
| 19:35:40 | Lamed | i've downloaded a cvs tree. what then? |
| 19:36:06 | crashd | ... |
| 19:36:09 | crashd | what do you want to do? |
| 19:37:41 | Lamed | anyone is using the VMware machine? |
| 19:37:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters. |
| 19:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hate this monitor. Just because |
| 19:38:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lamed: What exactly are you having problems with? |
| 19:39:07 | crashd | whois Llorean, on the forums? |
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| 19:39:26 | Lamed | whoops, sorry. i'm trying to edit files with an external editor. |
| 19:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Crashd: Before I answer: Negative or positive reason for asking? ;-) |
| 19:39:51 | crashd | no reason, ive always wondered, as he reminds me of you Paul, and ive never seen a Llorean on irc |
| 19:39:54 | crashd | is all =] |
| 19:39:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lamed: The vmware machine can be seen shared on your network, and accessed as \\Debian usually |
| 19:40:18 | Lamed | mmm... |
| 19:40:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, 'tis me. I signed up for the forums before I started regularly hanging out in here, but I *always* use this on IRC channels. |
| 19:40:45 | crashd | fair deal, makes sense then |
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| 19:41:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | And of course I'm something else again on the patch tracker, simply because that came from my Sourceforge ID. |
| 19:41:18 | crashd | yeah |
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| 19:42:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: I read in #ipodlinux-dev that the 3g also suffers from the mirrored display issue in RetailOS - so it seems your fix was needed for that as well. |
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| 19:45:52 | Lamed | hey! look at that! thanks Paul! |
| 19:46:44 | Mikachu | linuxstb: you saw that i only had to remove the dfg file? |
| 19:46:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is that with the ipl bootloader? |
| 19:47:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, with ipodloader2. |
| 19:47:28 | amiconn | Hehe... |
| 19:47:43 | amiconn | They should switch format, like I did for rockbox... |
| 19:47:52 | linuxstb | I've pointed them in the direction of your changes. Not sure if anyone will implement it though. |
| 19:47:52 | Mikachu | when they get to 3, they can call it tripodloader |
| 19:48:17 | * | linuxstb groans |
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| 19:48:38 | linuxstb | It can already triple-boot Rockbox, IPL and Apple. |
| 19:49:10 | crashd | ive never had much luck with loader2 though |
| 19:49:12 | * | amiconn can't |
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| 19:49:43 | Bizmo | how can i apply a patch to my 5g ipod? |
| 19:49:49 | amiconn | ipodlinux worked exactlly once for me, subsequent rebbots just hung. |
| 19:50:07 | crashd | ipl works ok, but trying to boot it from loader2 just ended in tears, hanging on the menu, hanging on the loading bar |
| 19:50:11 | crashd | general hanging, really |
| 19:50:32 | * | amiconn doesn't really care |
| 19:50:49 | crashd | grumpy :> |
| 19:51:11 | amiconn | I don't need ipl on my ipod. That doesn't mean ipl is useless, the sources are valuable for rockbox |
| 19:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bizmo: You apply the patch to the source code, and then compile a 5G build. Have you read the wiki pages relating to how to compile your own build? |
| 19:51:31 | Mikachu | amiconn: but it would be better if they joined rockbox instead :) |
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| 19:51:33 | Lamed | mazal-tov, i got the wiki! |
| 19:51:58 | preglow | Mikachu: you'll be thankful they exist when you one day want to run apache on your ipod! |
| 19:52:06 | crashd | heh |
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| 19:52:15 | crashd | surely squid, get some nice webcaching going on |
| 19:52:16 | Mikachu | yes, i will stream mp3s over the lineout attached to my computers serial port |
| 19:52:28 | Bizmo | How can I apply a .patch file? |
| 19:52:34 | Mikachu | read said wiki page |
| 19:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bizmo: There's a wiki page entitled I believe "Working With Patches" that covers how to use them. |
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| 19:53:41 | linuxstb | Bizmo: Basically: 1) Install a development environment; 2) Compile an unmodified version Rockbox to test your development environment; 3) Apply your patches to the source code and compile your own patched version of Rockbox. |
| 19:54:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I bet an iPod could actually handle running a dedicated Quake 1 server actually. Which would be a really neat trick at a LAN party. |
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| 19:56:04 | Lamed | please remind me: how do i open a new process that doesn't takes over the terminal? |
| 19:56:14 | Mikachu | & |
| 19:56:33 | Mikachu | also, you can probably press alt-f1-6 to switch vts |
| 19:56:51 | ender` | screen -DR and you get virtual terminals |
| 19:56:59 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Removing the .dfg file also fixed the graphics corruption I was having in Doom on my 5g. Very strange. |
| 19:57:24 | Mikachu | linuxstb: my guess is the menu config things messed up the offsets |
| 19:57:36 | * | Mikachu tries to sound like he knows what he's talking about |
| 19:57:52 | Lamed | i've thought this won't work over a virtual machine |
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| 19:58:52 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Maybe. But I can't imagine what config setting would have caused the video corruption. But anyway, I think we should add a version number to the .dfg file. |
| 19:58:52 | Lamed | ender? |
| 19:59:27 | ender` | Lamed: there's a program called screen that lets you run multiple sessions at once |
| 19:59:54 | Lamed | it's not commonly installed i suspect? |
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| 20:00:19 | ender` | usually isn't, though it's present on all my boxes |
| 20:00:55 | linuxstb | Lamed: Try (as root) "apt-get install screen" |
| 20:01:15 | Lamed | what man page should i look into for managing processes? |
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| 20:04:27 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i removed that 2second sleep on startup and it pretty much starts up instantly... |
| 20:04:37 | Mikachu | i wish i'd done that before i did the cvs bisect though |
| 20:04:55 | linuxstb | Which 2 second sleep? |
| 20:05:05 | Mikachu | the one that says Rockdoom v0.90 |
| 20:05:32 | * | ender` wants doom for h120 :) |
| 20:05:34 | linuxstb | The rb->splash() ? |
| 20:05:38 | Mikachu | yeah, sorry |
| 20:05:40 | linuxstb | ender`: You've got it. |
| 20:05:44 | lostlogic | Slasheri: latest CVS seems fine here when just playing, but breaks when skipping is that what you were talking about buffering errors? |
| 20:05:45 | ender` | really? |
| 20:05:47 | lostlogic | preglow: yes, there is such a patch |
| 20:05:53 | preglow | lostlogic: found it too |
| 20:05:57 | Lamed | linuxstb: i'm not interested in screen. i'm trying to stop using cygwin, and vmware has virtual terminals, and i'm trying to use only ubuntu linux but i can't get it to connect a pptp connection :( |
| 20:05:57 | linuxstb | ender`: Yes, it's been working for a few days. |
| 20:06:00 | preglow | lostlogic: not in main tree yet, i see... |
| 20:06:07 | lostlogic | preglow: yeah, they suck. |
| 20:06:14 | ender` | great, is it in the CVS or separate? |
| 20:06:18 | Lamed | what man page should i look into for managing processes? |
| 20:06:19 | linuxstb | CVS |
| 20:06:35 | linuxstb | Using the grayscale lib. Only problem is that it's a bit dark at the moment. |
| 20:06:45 | ender` | cvs -z3 up && cd build && make |
| 20:07:45 | linuxstb | Lamed: I don't think there is a single man page. Your shell does some things (try "man bash"), and other commands related to processes are "ps", "top", "kill", "killall" |
| 20:08:12 | Lamed | will l00k |
| 20:08:12 | Mikachu | there is probably some good startup docs in ldp |
| 20:08:14 | ep0ch | lostlogic: FF is still a bit flakey, i have to pause and unpause to get playback after FF |
| 20:08:34 | lostlogic | ep0ch: how's track skipping? |
| 20:08:35 | Mikachu | Lamed: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 20:08:50 | lostlogic | ep0ch: yeah, I'm actively trying to figure out what the deal with seek_complete not being called is :-\ |
| 20:09:30 | Lamed | great, now that i know how to get a web... this is too much info for one time. |
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| 20:09:48 | lostlogic | Slasheri: if you call the changes my last 4 commits have made to playback.c not major, I question your sanity... |
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| 20:11:43 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Whats the problem with seek_complete? I remember that function was added relatively recently, so if not all the codecs use it, it's a bug and they should be fixed. |
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| 20:12:06 | lostlogic | linuxstb: hmm, I wonder if that's the problem, I was looking for a cause in the playback code, but it could be in the codecs. |
| 20:12:11 | lostlogic | linuxstb: thanks! |
| 20:12:36 | ep0ch | lostlogic: skipping seemed to work with sound glitches, but now i think i've skipped so many times its gotten confused |
| 20:13:03 | Mikachu | i found a real use for the headphone patch, i can just put my hand in my pocket and pull the cord out, and rb will shut down after 4 minutes, i don't have to fiddle with the lock and find the play button and turn hold back on etc |
| 20:13:05 | lostlogic | ep0ch: let me know if you can determine how you confuse it, the sound glitches I am also working on. |
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| 20:14:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb: :( all the codecs call it, the problem is still mine :-P |
| 20:15:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: You shouldn't get him all hopeful like that. Poor fellow. |
| 20:21:38 | ep0ch | lostlogic: play/pause seems very dodgy while buffering |
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| 20:22:34 | lostlogic | ep0ch: ie pause doesn't pause and unpause doesn't unpause? |
| 20:25:02 | ep0ch | lostlogic: it does pause and unpause eventually, but it has a fit on the way :) |
| 20:25:28 | lostlogic | *tries it out* |
| 20:25:45 | ep0ch | lostlogic: sometimes it sounds like it is rapidly pausing/unpausing all by itself, and the sound flutters |
| 20:26:00 | lostlogic | woah. |
| 20:26:23 | lostlogic | oh my, so it does |
| 20:26:24 | lostlogic | wtf. |
| 20:26:48 | ep0ch | i think that was what slasheri might have been talking about |
| 20:27:08 | lostlogic | indeed |
| 20:27:31 | lostlogic | gah, hell if I can think of what I've changed that would impact pause behavior, but obviously... |
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| 20:28:22 | lostlogic | first pause works, but after that all hell breaks loose. |
| 20:28:52 | lostlogic | actually, I wonder if this and the seeking artifacts stem from the same problem wherever that is. |
| 20:30:06 | lostlogic | can anyone tell me the design purpose of the mp3_pause_done() function? |
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| 20:32:58 | preglow | no :/ |
| 20:34:12 | preglow | i wonder why the hell get_replaygain_int returns 0 for a decibel value of 0 |
| 20:34:19 | preglow | it should return fixed point 1 |
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| 20:40:04 | luckz | 20:30:07 < lostlogic> can anyone tell me the design purpose of the mp3_pause_done() function? <- fadeout? |
| 20:43:02 | Lamed | how do i update lang strings to lang2? |
| 20:45:37 | lostlogic | we don't fade on pause. |
| 20:45:47 | preglow | lostlogic: yes we do |
| 20:45:48 | luckz | my player does.. |
| 20:45:58 | Lamed | isn't there a script to generate lang 2 files out of old lang files? |
| 20:46:00 | luckz | so, uhm, unless your rockbox is entirely different.. |
| 20:46:01 | preglow | there's a setting for it, even, which i always turn off |
| 20:46:17 | lostlogic | asdf;ljka |
| 20:46:24 | lostlogic | where's that done!? |
| 20:47:05 | luckz | look at the options ;) |
| 20:47:21 | luckz | maybe it's related to the crossfeed settings, not sure. |
| 20:47:32 | preglow | it's not |
| 20:47:34 | preglow | it's in playback |
| 20:47:35 | amiconn | No, it's totally different |
| 20:47:52 | preglow | and i suspect it's been in rockbox for ages |
| 20:47:55 | amiconn | Fade out is done with the audiocodec's volume control, and also works on archos |
| 20:48:03 | lostlogic | ok, I have never seen any code in playback.c, pcmbuf.c or pcm_playback.c to handle fading out on pause |
| 20:49:46 | amiconn | mp3_pause_done() is related to fade out, in that it tells whether playback has really stopped |
| 20:50:43 | preglow | could anyone on cygwin check if mp3_encoder compiles? |
| 20:50:56 | amiconn | It exists because the MAS has an internal buffer of a fixed length, which we can't flush programmatically and causes it to continue playing for some time after we stop feeding it mp3 data |
| 20:51:58 | amiconn | This time can be more than a second for very low bitrates. When doing fade out, after we reach silence, we need to wait for the MAS to run out of data before switching the volume back to normal |
| 20:53:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: ah, fade out is done with volume, no wonder I've not seen it, thanks! |
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| 21:16:26 | preglow | anyone wanna test some crossfeed? |
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| 21:17:21 | kclaf | heh |
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| 21:23:33 | luckz | test how preglow? |
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| 21:26:09 | preglow | luckz: as in test the new one |
| 21:26:10 | preglow | but forget it anyway |
| 21:26:10 | luckz | where are new WPS tags actually defined? |
| 21:26:18 | preglow | i just remember i haven't tested it on target yet :-) |
| 21:26:26 | lostlogic | luckz: gwps-common.c |
| 21:26:57 | luckz | ahhhhh |
| 21:26:57 | luckz | okay |
| 21:27:09 | luckz | now I understand :) |
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| 21:28:21 | luckz | was metadata.c/.v abandoned in favour of tagcache? |
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| 21:31:11 | Slasheri | luckz: no |
| 21:31:17 | RoC_MM | preglow, I don't wnat to bug you, but how can I keep track of battery indicator progress on 4G grey? |
| 21:31:27 | RoC_MM | is there anything more I can provide? |
| 21:31:28 | Slasheri | tagcache uses metadata.c to get the real metadata |
| 21:31:37 | Slasheri | (while it builds the db) |
| 21:31:47 | luckz | Slasheri: well, the albumartist patch changes metadata while the discnumber one changes tagcache |
| 21:32:06 | preglow | linuxstb: didn't you do some measurements on the 4g now? |
| 21:32:13 | Slasheri | luckz: yep.. the albumartist patch needs to add an entry to tagcache also |
| 21:32:20 | amiconn | preglow: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/battery_bench_ipod4gcolor60gb.txt |
| 21:32:21 | Slasheri | same way the discnumber patch does |
| 21:32:52 | preglow | amiconn: shouldn't be too hard to have battery readout support soon now, then? |
| 21:32:52 | luckz | so I'll just go to all places changed by either and put in the necessary stuff for both, yes? their function is pretty alike, after all. |
| 21:33:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, what do you think if the first entry in file browser would be <Browse Tags> and in tagcache browser <Browse Files>? |
| 21:33:22 | Slasheri | I have almost implemented that now.. |
| 21:33:24 | ender` | where does doom expect it's WADs? |
| 21:33:34 | Mikachu | ender`: it expects its wads in /games/doom/ |
| 21:33:37 | crashd | Slasheri: i'd like that ;o |
| 21:33:39 | luckz | ender`: apparently in Games\Doom or so |
| 21:33:52 | amiconn | Slasheri: That sounds less intuitive to me than just a virtual sub-dir |
| 21:33:58 | luckz | is doom supposed to work on the X5 in any way? |
| 21:34:05 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, yeah.. but that would work for both ways |
| 21:34:08 | crashd | i guess though, if you can choose it via a menu |
| 21:34:08 | ender` | ok, i've got doom1.wad in there, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 21:34:09 | luckz | (it gets compiled for it, after all) |
| 21:34:19 | crashd | and there is a way to change on-the-fly, via a virtual dir as amiconn suggests |
| 21:34:21 | crashd | *shrug* |
| 21:34:23 | Mikachu | ender`: do you have rockdoom.wad too? |
| 21:34:27 | amiconn | preglow: I would like to see discharge curves of other ipods taken with battery_bench and continuous playback from fully charged to low-bat shutdown |
| 21:34:27 | ender` | no |
| 21:34:43 | Mikachu | tada |
| 21:34:44 | amiconn | Slasheri: That would look like a circular link... |
| 21:35:11 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i just need to fix the ata.c hack first, then i'll do a rundown |
| 21:35:12 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, true.. maybe the virtual sub-dir would be better then |
| 21:35:24 | amiconn | virtual sub-dir also works both ways: just leave it to get back to fs |
| 21:35:56 | amiconn | preglow: Nice. |
| 21:35:59 | Slasheri | amiconn: however, that has the one benefit that after rebooting unit, the last browse mode would be recalled |
| 21:36:08 | luckz | 21:32:14 < Slasheri> luckz: yep.. the albumartist patch needs to add an entry to tagcache also <- the point also was more that not one patch changes both metadata and tagcache while the other doesn't but that both ONLY change either one and that that confuses me |
| 21:36:11 | amiconn | We could also use a curve from a 5g... |
| 21:36:44 | RoC_MM | preglow, should I just keep asking you from time to time to see the progress of the ata.c hack and the calculations needed and to keep it on your mind? |
| 21:37:07 | Slasheri | luckz: hmm, do you have a link to the patch that changed the metadata also? |
| 21:37:10 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm. We could remember the last dir instead. Would be even more general |
| 21:37:22 | Slasheri | amiconn: hehe, agreed too |
| 21:37:27 | amiconn | ...but requires to stop using the config sector |
| 21:37:34 | preglow | RoC_MM: 4g battery should work soon |
| 21:37:38 | preglow | you need to bug linuxstb, not mee |
| 21:37:41 | preglow | i don't even have a 4g |
| 21:37:41 | amiconn | ...at least to do it in a clean way |
| 21:38:02 | luckz | Slasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4961 <- only tagcache || http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2974 <- only metadata |
| 21:38:20 | RoC_MM | What is linuxstb working on preglow? |
| 21:38:32 | amiconn | preglow: If we have the curves, and also the standard capacities, correct battery readout for all ipods should be simple |
| 21:38:54 | amiconn | We already know the scale factor is identical (it has to, since it is the same chip) |
| 21:39:21 | Slasheri | luckz: ah, interesting |
| 21:39:31 | Slasheri | luckz: probably that is to support ogg tags too |
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| 21:39:49 | amiconn | The 100% limit is also the same. The 0% limit is a bit different depending on generation and storage medium |
| 21:39:51 | Slasheri | as id3.c supports only the id3 tags |
| 21:40:09 | lostlogic | bagh, this pause -> unpause -> all effed up during disk buffer is not easy to reproduce. |
| 21:40:10 | amiconn | What would also be useful is a charge curve |
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| 21:40:49 | luckz | Slasheri: which method seems better, easier to implement, potentially less problematic etc? |
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| 21:41:13 | RoC_MM | It's not linear? |
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| 21:41:31 | PhR3aK | i have a question, when i update rockbox, should i remove all the rockbox files on my x5 or should i overwrite them? |
| 21:41:42 | RoC_MM | overwrite them PhR3aK |
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| 21:41:47 | luckz | PhR3aK: I just overwrite them, keeps your settings |
| 21:41:53 | PhR3aK | ok |
| 21:41:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Deleting them will still keep your settings. |
| 21:42:05 | luckz | Paul_The_Nerd: where are settings saved? |
| 21:42:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: In their own sector, elsewhere on the disk. They aren't in an actual file. |
| 21:42:23 | afruff23 | does the X5 have software charge control or monitoring |
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| 21:42:42 | afruff23 | for power |
| 21:42:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually it's safe to just overwrite, but every now and then you end up with spare files. Like bejeweled.rock after the rename. |
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| 21:43:26 | PhR3aK | yes thats what i meant, in the and i got too many trash in my rockbox folder |
| 21:43:30 | PhR3aK | so better delete? |
| 21:44:01 | luckz | did you add custom themes etc? still have them on your comp? |
| 21:45:17 | PhR3aK | is someone working on the power management for the x5? because the battery life really isnt that good even with the "L" version |
| 21:45:22 | afruff23 | does anybody know if the X5 has software charge control or monitoring |
| 21:45:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK PhR3aK |
| 21:45:55 | PhR3aK | (afruff23): how long lasts your x5 with the rockbox fw? |
| 21:46:09 | afruff23 | don't keep track |
| 21:46:15 | luckz | afruff23: I dont think that just repeating yourself will get you anywhere; I also dont understand your question |
| 21:46:24 | lostlogic | ep0ch: is it true that the screwed up pause crap only happens during initial buffer fill? |
| 21:46:43 | ender` | ouch, doom on h120 can certainly cause a headache |
| 21:46:49 | afruff23 | %bc "c" if the unit is currently charging the battery (only on targets that have software charge control or monitoring) |
| 21:46:57 | afruff23 | taken from CustomWPS page |
| 21:47:16 | afruff23 | I want to make an X5 WPS with this |
| 21:47:19 | afruff23 | is it possible? |
| 21:47:27 | ep0ch | lostlogic: seems so |
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| 21:47:46 | lostlogic | ep0ch: yay for at least narrowing down WTF. |
| 21:47:54 | hardeep | I'm totally for the virtual sub dir idea for tag database |
| 21:48:05 | luckz | afruff23: I dont know if you can even charge the X5 while using it. at least I havent done so successfully. |
| 21:48:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Can you charge while in the retail firmware? If so, you'll probably eventually be able to charge in Rockbox. |
| 21:48:24 | hardeep | especially if other modules (e.g. playlist) could use the virtual path directly |
| 21:48:27 | Slasheri | luckz: i am going to do the sub dir idea. But not sure if i do it during the feature freeze :) |
| 21:48:52 | hardeep | that way you wouldn't have to insert each track into the playlist |
| 21:49:06 | hardeep | when in tag database |
| 21:49:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: By "charge while in retail" I mean, can you charge while doing other stuff (playback, browsing) |
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| 21:50:02 | amiconn | Slasheri: How's chunked browsing coming along? |
| 21:50:13 | afruff23 | basically, when rockbox is on? |
| 21:50:18 | luckz | Slasheri: how long do you think it'll approximately take until I in some way can obtain a then-current rockbox build with those features? |
| 21:50:20 | PhR3aK | (Paul_The_Nerd) yes you can |
| 21:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: I didn't say anything about rockbox... |
| 21:50:38 | Slasheri | amiconn: needs more work, but probably in a few days when i get enough time to do it |
| 21:50:45 | afruff23 | oh, charge in retail firmware? |
| 21:50:46 | afruff23 | yes |
| 21:50:47 | luckz | Paul_The_Nerd: if I understood the manual etc correctly, you cant charge in retail |
| 21:50:51 | luckz | but that is just me |
| 21:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Then eventually you'll be able to charge in Rockbox probably, so the battery charging tag should work (once that's implemented, that is) |
| 21:51:08 | luckz | as it tends to then throw you OUT of the firmware and into a "charging..." screen, IIRC |
| 21:51:28 | afruff23 | no, it doesn't |
| 21:51:36 | ep0ch | Slasheri: any idea what a "-2" error code is on boot with dircache enabled? |
| 21:51:42 | Slasheri | luckz: well, if not during the feature freeze, probably very soon after it (just make sure you remember to mention that to me again) :) |
| 21:52:02 | afruff23 | the battery icon animates while charging in the original firmware |
| 21:52:08 | Slasheri | ep0ch: unfortunately the error code doesn't tell much :/ you have two possibilities: |
| 21:52:38 | Slasheri | too many files (dircache ram size limit is reached) or too deep directory structure (over 6-8 levels) |
| 21:52:54 | PhR3aK | hm, any idea why rockbox hangs sometimes? it happens after a time, i recognize it often when crossfading stops working, and when i try to swich tracks, the x5 hangs |
| 21:53:00 | ep0ch | Slasheri: yes too many files - i tried 30,000 sid files :) |
| 21:53:00 | Slasheri | ep0ch: if you want the exact error, you may check with logf enabled |
| 21:53:05 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 21:53:28 | Slasheri | yep, that is too much for dircache to handle |
| 21:53:30 | ep0ch | boy wasn't rockbox happy when i tried to delete them as well |
| 21:53:30 | goffa_ | haven't had that happen to me PhR3aK but then i don't use crossfade |
| 21:53:47 | Slasheri | we would need some sort of compression to handle that much of files |
| 21:53:54 | PhR3aK | could it be that crossfading is not this stable? |
| 21:54:01 | ep0ch | no worries |
| 21:54:09 | afruff23 | I bleive it puts a lot fo strain on the processor |
| 21:54:13 | afruff23 | to use crossfade |
| 21:54:18 | PhR3aK | yeah that could be |
| 21:54:19 | afruff23 | believe* |
| 21:54:26 | PhR3aK | but i love this feature :) |
| 21:54:34 | goffa_ | its always annoyed me |
| 21:54:43 | theli_ua | i'm slightly confused ... why does 'make clean' makes sources unusable? (for example it removes 'firmware' dir) |
| 21:54:47 | Slasheri | lots of changes to the playback engine has been made recently |
| 21:54:58 | luckz | I got rid of crossfading because it takes annoyingly long to just skip a few tracks |
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| 21:54:59 | Slasheri | and in its current state it's quite buggy.. |
| 21:55:08 | luckz | (it should not crossfade on manual skip IMO) |
| 21:55:15 | afruff23 | Could the hold switch for the X55 be used for somethign other than hold? |
| 21:55:18 | luckz | I really like crossfades on track end though |
| 21:55:18 | Slasheri | but now going to sleep, night |
| 21:55:18 | goffa_ | it took me a while to disable it on pause |
| 21:55:29 | ep0ch | cya |
| 21:55:34 | goffa_ | then i found it |
| 21:55:34 | Slasheri | :) |
| 21:55:35 | afruff23 | since the buttons and joystick never get accidentally pressed in most pockets |
| 21:55:40 | hardeep | luckz: i believe that is configurable |
| 21:55:49 | luckz | afruff23: uh, in mine they do. I thought that too, at first. |
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| 21:55:59 | PhR3aK | hm... crossfading works for my when skipping tracks, too |
| 21:56:06 | luckz | hardeep: you can make it crossfade only when in shuffle mode, but that still does that on manual skip |
| 21:56:07 | robin__ | where do I get the wad files for doom ? |
| 21:56:13 | luckz | robin__: hy legal reasons |
| 21:56:23 | hardeep | i thought midk added an option for crossfade on skip |
| 21:56:32 | robin__ | hy ? means :) ? |
| 21:56:41 | afruff23 | my* |
| 21:56:45 | Mikachu | robin__: there's a shareware wad on the wiki page |
| 21:56:45 | luckz | robin__: that this is not #warez, if I understand correctly |
| 21:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | robin__: I found them on a copy of the game I bought for $10 at walmart |
| 21:57:03 | robin__ | ok, but thought the demo wads was okay |
| 21:57:09 | afruff23 | you can use free, legal WADs made by people |
| 21:57:11 | Mikachu | i can reveal that it's not very hard to find on google |
| 21:57:19 | robin__ | no okay, it's doom1 ? |
| 21:57:26 | Mikachu | robin__: yes, the demo wad is free |
| 21:57:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | robin__: Well the demo wad is linked to in the wiki at PluginDoom... |
| 21:57:32 | robin__ | ok |
| 21:57:38 | robin__ | thx |
| 21:57:55 | luckz | so did anybody actually try doom on x5? or not? |
| 21:58:00 | afruff23 | yes |
| 21:58:05 | afruff23 | soem iaudiophile.net |
| 21:58:10 | afruff23 | memebrs report it to be working |
| 21:58:19 | PhR3aK | yep they sad it works smoothly |
| 21:58:19 | afruff23 | some* |
| 21:58:26 | afruff23 | not smotthly |
| 21:58:26 | luckz | using the /games/doom/ folder there too? |
| 21:58:32 | afruff23 | they said there is no enter button |
| 21:58:33 | PhR3aK | no? |
| 21:59:12 | PhR3aK | i mean it doesnt lag... |
| 21:59:17 | luckz | http://www.iaudiophile.net/gallery/albums/iaudio_x5/rockbox/IMG_2362_resize.jpg <- what game is that? |
| 21:59:21 | afruff23 | don't know aboyt that |
| 21:59:26 | Mikachu | luckz: bubbles |
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| 22:00:07 | afruff23 | my mesage was directed to phr3ak BTW |
| 22:00:19 | afruff23 | about* |
| 22:01:07 | PhR3aK | (afruff23): Is your x5 getting hot, too? i experienced this today |
| 22:01:31 | warthawg | is a wad an ascii file? |
| 22:01:34 | warthawg | or binary? |
| 22:01:35 | PhR3aK | i mean while using rockbox |
| 22:02:06 | PhR3aK | mine is getting kind of hot on the back |
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| 22:02:33 | robin__ | hmm I have created a /games/doom/ directory and placed doom1.wad there |
| 22:02:33 | | Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) |
| 22:02:37 | robin__ | but it can't find the wad file? |
| 22:02:38 | afruff23 | a lot of people have been notiving that as well |
| 22:02:50 | Mikachu | robin__: please read the wiki page! |
| 22:03:03 | afruff23 | directed at phr3ak |
| 22:03:17 | robin__ | Mikachu: sry :D |
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| 22:03:52 | subwayjared | something cool to add to the "car adapter mode" would be a switch that turned off all effects/eq and turned the volume all the way up for the best "line in" sound |
| 22:06:22 | PhR3aK | afruff23 hm... and another thing is, that the voltage (normally about 4V) is getting lower and lower at every start (you can see the voltage in the boot screen) |
| 22:06:22 | afruff23 | line out* |
| 22:06:22 | | Quit tianjing_ (Connection timed out) |
| 22:06:22 | ep0ch | is it just me or is .rockbox starting to have too many dirs inside it? |
| 22:06:23 | afruff23 | over tiem batteries lose voltage |
| 22:06:23 | afruff23 | but I don't know how often |
| 22:06:23 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK afruff23 |
| 22:06:23 | afruff23 | time* |
| 22:06:23 | afruff23 | sicne they build up resistance |
| 22:06:24 | Doomed | hey, |
| 22:06:46 | subwayjared | line out on the mp3 player, line in on the stereo yes |
| 22:06:53 | afruff23 | you won't see anymore extra dirs for a while |
| 22:06:59 | afruff23 | (feature freeze) |
| 22:07:01 | Doomed | somebody fuxxed up the tagcache play (i guess thats what ill call it), and they took off the "Add to playlist option" |
| 22:07:13 | ep0ch | doom dir will go in there |
| 22:07:40 | Doomed | ? |
| 22:07:43 | Doomed | o nvm |
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| 22:08:09 | afruff23 | subwayjared, yes but you were referrign to the player itself, the greatest line-out may not be mean a great line-in |
| 22:08:14 | ep0ch | a common 'settings' dir would be nice, instead of having them scattered around |
| 22:08:17 | | Quit theli_ua ("") |
| 22:08:19 | afruff23 | may not mean* |
| 22:08:20 | robin__ | and how do I play fullscreen ? (there is some border), and get back to the menu ? |
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| 22:08:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 20 minutes and 28 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:08:34 | * | robin__ kicks myself for not reading wiki |
| 22:08:40 | Mikachu | robin__: go to the menu and options, and make change Screen Size |
| 22:08:51 | Mikachu | wow, great sentence |
| 22:09:00 | * | Mikachu escapes to kitchen |
| 22:09:18 | * | Doomed sees if the new cvs |
| 22:09:21 | scottder | RTFW :) |
| 22:09:46 | sharpe | i are back here! |
| 22:10:00 | afruff23 | how doe we find out the exact changes to a wiki topic |
| 22:10:50 | afruff23 | I knwo about the recent changes thign but it doesn't say where exactly in the topic |
| 22:10:50 | afruff23 | how do* |
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| 22:11:28 | robin__ | lol the sounds |
| 22:11:30 | robin__ | are wicked :) |
| 22:11:36 | robin__ | there is no music, that's right? |
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| 22:13:39 | afruff23 | robin, what palyer are you using? |
| 22:13:45 | afruff23 | player* |
| 22:14:00 | Doomed | anybody no why this is happening? |
| 22:15:03 | robin__ | afruff23: ipod nano |
| 22:15:33 | Doomed | wtf, can anybody help me real quick |
| 22:16:08 | ep0ch | wot |
| 22:16:27 | warthawg | has the rapture begun? |
| 22:16:36 | robin__ | what's the status of the gbc emulator for the ipod? |
| 22:16:39 | robin__ | ipod nano |
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| 22:17:40 | Doomed | when i play a song, then i change to another song, the first song keeps playing |
| 22:17:55 | Doomed | the screen changes then the music abruptly stops and the new song starts |
| 22:18:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | robin__: It does not work yet. |
| 22:19:00 | Doomed | and why was the add to playlist option taken out of tagcache |
| 22:19:31 | luckz | I assume there won't be a rockboy for X5 any time soon, due to the LCD things? |
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| 22:20:06 | Doomed | okay |
| 22:20:15 | Doomed | does this happen to anybody else |
| 22:20:20 | ep0ch | Doomed: playback code is being reworked |
| 22:20:25 | Doomed | ok |
| 22:20:26 | afruff23 | LCD things? |
| 22:20:33 | afruff23 | you eman small LCD? |
| 22:20:35 | afruff23 | mean* |
| 22:20:43 | Doomed | so thats why eh |
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| 22:21:00 | luckz | afruff23: the X5 LCD works different, technically, and thus you cant simply make rockboy work in a second or two. read the feature request stuff for more information. |
| 22:21:47 | afruff23 | luckz: link |
| 22:21:50 | afruff23 | I couldn't find it |
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| 22:23:17 | harbel | Could anyone point me to a tutorial on how to make rockbox themes, I searched, but couldn't find anything |
| 22:23:23 | Doomed | whats the estimated time itll be finished? |
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| 22:24:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed: There are no time estimates, really |
| 22:24:12 | Doomed | gahhhh |
| 22:24:18 | Doomed | its really annoying |
| 22:24:18 | Doomed | lol |
| 22:24:33 | amiconn | urgh. |
| 22:24:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it'll be done when someone does it. If you want to know when it's done, be the one working on it. :-p |
| 22:24:46 | ep0ch | can you get an older build? |
| 22:25:06 | * | amiconn just discovered horizontal scrolling in oscilloscope is broken on greyscale ipods after the lcd driver flip |
| 22:25:18 | * | amiconn goes to fix the scrolling routines |
| 22:25:52 | RoC_MM | Older builds are available on the website. |
| 22:26:01 | RoC_MM | under "daily builds" click "older" under your player |
| 22:26:35 | RoC_MM | What is this LCD driver invert thing on 4G ipods? |
| 22:26:48 | afruff23 | harbel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomConfigFile |
| 22:27:35 | afruff23 | that might not be what you're looking for |
| 22:28:30 | harbel | Nope, I'm looking for how to make WPS files, moreso |
| 22:28:36 | harbel | more so* |
| 22:28:49 | afruff23 | go to the customWPS page |
| 22:29:16 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 22:29:24 | Doomed | yeah i no where they are |
| 22:29:30 | Doomed | i would really like to help |
| 22:29:35 | Doomed | but i have no clue where to start |
| 22:29:53 | afruff23 | doomed: are you talking about WPSes? |
| 22:30:05 | Doomed | no, talking about helping code |
| 22:30:10 | afruff23 | oh |
| 22:30:36 | Doomed | eh i guess ill get an old version |
| 22:31:49 | harbel | Thanks aruff23 |
| 22:32:35 | afruff23 | I don't know how to change font and font color though. Do you jsut change them in general settigns? |
| 22:32:38 | afruff23 | just* |
| 22:32:57 | harbel | You can set them in the .cfg file for the theme |
| 22:33:52 | afruff23 | but there is no wiki on this format |
| 22:33:53 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomConfigFile |
| 22:34:01 | afruff23 | it mentions that thmes also use this format |
| 22:34:08 | afruff23 | but they don't mention what variables |
| 22:34:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Manually save your settings, and then all variables are in the .cfg |
| 22:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then trim the ones you don't want changes. |
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| 22:34:58 | luckz | afruff23: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4951 |
| 22:35:01 | afruff23 | can you change the font color for the WPS and not the menus? |
| 22:35:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | no |
| 22:36:36 | afruff23 | if I "open" a cfg file with only the foreground color variables, will my other settings change? (i.e. id3 tag priority, scroll speed, etc.) |
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| 22:38:03 | afruff23 | to reword my question better, if a cfg file is applied and it only contains some but not all variables, will the unincluded variables be affected(i.e. go back to default values)? |
| 22:38:11 | luckz | I dont think so. |
| 22:38:12 | amiconn | no |
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| 22:38:23 | afruff23 | thanks |
| 22:38:23 | luckz | I had a huge problem because one config file changed my background and that made everything unreadable. |
| 22:38:27 | luckz | I had no other background file. |
| 22:39:02 | luckz | I think a "reset .cfg-changed things to standard values" option wouldnt be all that horrible. an easy-to-find one, that is |
| 22:39:36 | harbel | Just put the hold switch to the on position when starting up rockbox |
| 22:40:07 | harbel | It resets settings, if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:41:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | yes |
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| 22:41:16 | afruff23 | does anybody know the mAh ratign of the X5L battery? |
| 22:41:25 | afruff23 | rating* |
| 22:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's in the x5 forums, isn't it? |
| 22:41:31 | afruff23 | no |
| 22:41:34 | afruff23 | I couldn't fidn it |
| 22:41:38 | afruff23 | oh |
| 22:41:44 | afruff23 | you meant rockbox.rog forums |
| 22:41:47 | afruff23 | I'll check |
| 22:41:50 | afruff23 | org* |
| 22:43:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm basically always going to mean the Rockbox forums. |
| 22:43:47 | afruff23 | yea, I'm used to the iaudiophile.net forums |
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| 22:43:56 | afruff23 | :-p |
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| 22:44:24 | goffa_ | afruff23: 2250 mah |
| 22:44:27 | goffa_ | is what linus says |
| 22:44:31 | goffa_ | i think he's pretty close |
| 22:44:37 | goffa_ | some claim that its over 3200 |
| 22:44:41 | goffa_ | hard to guage |
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| 22:44:52 | goffa_ | and really isn't important as the meter isn't accurate |
| 22:45:09 | afruff23 | yea, I found hat topic |
| 22:45:12 | afruff23 | that* |
| 22:45:30 | goffa_ | ah ok |
| 22:45:53 | afruff23 | is 2250 good?(compared to other rockbox players) |
| 22:46:11 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 22:46:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | The H120/320 are 1300. |
| 22:46:32 | goffa_ | actually i think the x5l has one of the stronger batteries if not the strongest |
| 22:46:41 | amiconn | Some say the H300 is 1400mAh |
| 22:46:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though many people have replaced 'em with 1900-2200 ones. |
| 22:47:16 | afruff23 | are there any higher cpacity batteries available in a size that would fit mp3 players |
| 22:47:29 | afruff23 | I am aware the price would be high |
| 22:48:12 | goffa_ | probably.. it all depends on the form factor of the case, how badly you want to void your warranty, etc |
| 22:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well it depends on the mp3 player |
| 22:48:54 | goffa_ | i get pretty good life out of my x5l.. like 20 hours |
| 22:49:04 | afruff23 | anybody know the iPod 60 gig 5g's mAh? |
| 22:49:08 | goffa_ | that was with default firmware or rockbox |
| 22:50:08 | goffa_ | all of my songs are ogg q6, mp3 vbr (around 256), and mpc extreme |
| 22:50:34 | goffa_ | ogg seems to give me the most battery life... |
| 22:50:48 | afruff23 | odd, ogg is usually the msot intensive |
| 22:50:51 | afruff23 | most* |
| 22:51:00 | afruff23 | what bitrate is q6? |
| 22:51:02 | goffa_ | i think the smaller the size the better battery life you can expect.. of course the higher the compression lower the sound quality |
| 22:51:09 | Mikachu | i think mp3 is the worst optimised one |
| 22:51:17 | preglow | afruff23: vorbis doesn't use bitrate settings... |
| 22:51:25 | preglow | that's the point of the quality setting |
| 22:51:38 | afruff23 | there's no AVerage bitrate? |
| 22:51:40 | afruff23 | average* |
| 22:51:43 | preglow | no |
| 22:51:53 | Mikachu | you _can_ encode with an abr |
| 22:51:57 | preglow | q6 is _very_ roughly average to 192kbps |
| 22:52:04 | preglow | but that's very roughly, and there's no rate control |
| 22:52:14 | Mikachu | but it's not recommended |
| 22:52:43 | goffa_ | and ogg uses more cpu, but less disk access... and the disk access is what drains the battery |
| 22:52:48 | goffa_ | at least in my experience |
| 22:52:54 | goffa_ | flac really sucked the juice |
| 22:52:56 | Mikachu | some guy made the encoder work with very low bitrates, like 4 or 8, and encoded a dire straits song with it |
| 22:53:09 | Mikachu | it's like 250kB for 5 minutes and you can actually hear what they sing and some of the instruments |
| 22:53:18 | goffa_ | ha ha ha |
| 22:53:27 | Mikachu | speaking of bitrates |
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| 22:54:24 | crashd | i want that song! |
| 22:54:42 | goffa_ | looks like ipod batteries vary in size.. from 600 to 1600 |
| 22:54:55 | goffa_ | http://www.cellsavers.co.uk/acatalog/iPOD_Batteries_iPOD_battery.html |
| 22:54:59 | goffa_ | according to that anyway |
| 22:56:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | slasheri: Is there a particular reason why when selecting a song in an album it would take 8 seconds for playback to start in tagcache, or is that just an "I haven't gotten around to making it create playlists quickly" thing? |
| 22:56:29 | preglow | Mikachu: haha, yeah, that was experimental, however |
| 22:56:40 | preglow | sultans of swing at 1kbps |
| 22:56:47 | Mikachu | i know i have the ogg somewhere |
| 22:56:50 | Mikachu | i just can't remember the name |
| 22:57:00 | goffa_ | ha ha ha.. sultans of vomit |
| 22:57:02 | goffa_ | at that bitrate |
| 22:57:34 | preglow | pft |
| 22:57:40 | preglow | sultans of swing > * |
| 22:57:48 | afruff23 | goffa; there are no iPod video 60 gig specs on that page |
| 22:58:32 | goffa_ | afruff23: from that page |
| 22:58:37 | goffa_ | iPod 4th Generation (4G) Battery |
| 22:58:37 | goffa_ | Battery for the Apple iPod 4th Gen (4G) 20 GB, 30GB, 40GB & 60GB. Battery specification : Li-Ion, 3.7v, 750 mAh |
| 22:58:41 | goffa_ | Compatible with the following part numbers : |
| 22:58:43 | goffa_ | 616-0183, 616-0206, AW4701218074 , ICP0534500 |
| 22:58:46 | Mikachu | i found it :) |
| 22:59:32 | afruff23 | that says 4G |
| 22:59:35 | afruff23 | not 5G |
| 22:59:52 | afruff23 | ipod video=5G |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:21 | goffa_ | ah... |
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| 23:00:32 | Mikachu | Vorbis stream 1: |
| 23:00:32 | Mikachu | Total data length: 199244 bytes |
| 23:00:32 | Mikachu | Playback length: 5m:46.293s |
| 23:00:32 | Mikachu | Average bitrate: 4.602895 kb/s |
| 23:01:23 | Mikachu | you could stream this comfortably on a 28k modem |
| 23:01:30 | Mikachu | (obviously) |
| 23:01:44 | crashd | Mikachu: send ;) |
| 23:01:48 | crashd | or url, heh |
| 23:01:53 | sharpe | serial port would be just dandy. |
| 23:01:55 | Mikachu | crashd: you already autoaccepted it :P |
| 23:01:59 | crashd | oh, heh |
| 23:02:01 | crashd | i went for a smoke |
| 23:02:03 | goffa_ | i'd estimate around 910 |
| 23:02:09 | crashd | and then did the irssi 'chase the window' game |
| 23:02:09 | goffa_ | for the 5g |
| 23:02:15 | crashd | Mikachu: so i did! |
| 23:02:16 | Mikachu | crashd: alt-a? |
| 23:02:25 | goffa_ | based on http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
| 23:02:33 | goffa_ | and taking 14hrs vs 20 hrs |
| 23:02:36 | crashd | Mikachu: alt-winnumber over and over, i cant do with having acts |
| 23:02:46 | Mikachu | crashd: try holding alt-a instead |
| 23:02:57 | goffa_ | thats probably not exact.. but its ballpark |
| 23:02:58 | crashd | i remapped the alias |
| 23:03:02 | crashd | but i dont remember to what O.o |
| 23:03:05 | Mikachu | heh |
| 23:03:21 | Mikachu | or /script install chanact |
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| 23:03:54 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 23:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is something clearly wrong when someone encounters a problem, you ask if they followed all the instructions, and they say "What guy does?" |
| 23:05:12 | crashd | yeah, some kind of language barrier there |
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| 23:05:45 | Mikachu | crashd: what do you think of the quality? :) |
| 23:06:12 | crashd | interesting |
| 23:06:20 | crashd | it's like listening to it through a wall |
| 23:06:32 | crashd | but you can identify the instruments |
| 23:06:35 | Mikachu | it is better than mp3 at 4kbits/s |
| 23:07:04 | crashd | i bet you could tweak it to make it sound better |
| 23:07:07 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting: Just removing data_end++; and changing the loop condition from data < data_end to data <= data_end shaved 16 bytes off the binary |
| 23:07:09 | amiconn | (ipod) |
| 23:07:47 | Mikachu | i found an inline function in tremor that when un-inlined made the codec 10kB smaller (it was 110kB before) |
| 23:07:57 | Mikachu | i wonder which is better |
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| 23:09:49 | preglow | amiconn: weird... |
| 23:10:17 | preglow | Mikachu: only one way to find out |
| 23:10:34 | amiconn | Anyway, one step closer to grayscale lib: lcd_blit() in cvs... |
| 23:11:54 | amiconn | ...and I know the LCD refresh rates for 4g gray and mini 2g. They are a bit lower than on archos and H1x0, but that lowers the CPU load a bit |
| 23:13:08 | Mikachu | preglow: and what is that? |
| 23:13:10 | amiconn | Unfortunately the grayscale lib on ipod will suck almost 50% CPU power (at 75MHz), similar to what it draws on archos |
| 23:13:28 | amiconn | On H1x0 it needs less than 10%, and we don't need to boost... |
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| 23:15:47 | preglow | amiconn: ouuuch |
| 23:15:53 | preglow | amiconn: why so high? |
| 23:16:00 | |Unknown| | where can i get tagcache? |
| 23:16:04 | amiconn | The slow lcd write... |
| 23:16:08 | preglow | riiight |
| 23:16:13 | afruff23 | tagcahe is in the CVS |
| 23:16:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknonw|: It's built in. |
| 23:16:31 | afruff23 | it's already included if you have a relatively new rockbox build |
| 23:16:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:16:56 | |Unknown| | hum is there a way to access music then without accessing ipod_control and selecting music and different folders |
| 23:17:17 | Doomed | tagcahe? |
| 23:17:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Enable tagcache and let it index your music. Tagcache is explained more fully at the TagCache wiki page. |
| 23:17:34 | Doomed | u have to force it to use tagcache |
| 23:17:55 | Mikachu | at gunpoint |
| 23:17:58 | afruff23 | unrelated, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3368.0 |
| 23:18:07 | afruff23 | will this be lower quality than a dedicated line-in? |
| 23:18:09 | preglow | okiedoke |
| 23:18:14 | preglow | anyone wanna test new crossfeed? |
| 23:18:41 | afruff23 | the link I posted was to a discuassion of using the iPod's headphone prot as a line-in port |
| 23:19:26 | Mikachu | or zoide speaking and some guy saying lol |
| 23:19:27 | amiconn | preglow: So, using the grayscale lib on ipod *will* make mp3 playback skip as hell for sure :-( |
| 23:19:43 | ep0ch | preglow: meeeeeeeeeeeee :) |
| 23:20:08 | preglow | ep0ch: you can do your own compiles, yes? |
| 23:20:13 | preglow | amiconn: how lovely |
| 23:20:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Remember, you have the second core right? Won't playback eventually be done over there? |
| 23:20:21 | ep0ch | yup |
| 23:20:47 | * | amiconn decides PP should be bashed for not releasing docs |
| 23:20:55 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: riiight |
| 23:21:21 | amiconn | preglow: Would it be possible to run the grayscale isr on the cop? |
| 23:21:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: By eventually, I mean somewhere around 2010 or so, but it still means that playback + grayscale is feasible. Just not, y'know... likely any time soon. |
| 23:21:55 | * | amiconn doesn't know anything about the communication between the 2 cores |
| 23:22:33 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/new_crossfeed.patch |
| 23:22:53 | preglow | beware your ears, sounds may be distorted until you start adjusting settings for some reason |
| 23:23:01 | preglow | amiconn: sure |
| 23:23:17 | preglow | amiconn: but i don't think we should do that |
| 23:23:30 | preglow | amiconn: eventually we'll move audio/dsp to it anyway so that core 1 will have more free cycles |
| 23:23:32 | lostlogic | I really wish I understood why pause -> unpause during initial buffer fill causes insanity. |
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| 23:24:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It's one of those fundamental laws of the univers. Y'know "What can go wrong, will go wrong" and "The work Brandon picks shall never be easy" |
| 23:24:22 | amiconn | lostlogic: Why is there a distinction between initial fill and subsequent fills, btw? |
| 23:24:39 | lostlogic | amiconn: this is one of the ways I've considered solving the problem :-P |
| 23:24:48 | amiconn | The hwcodec engine doesn't distinguish these |
| 23:24:59 | lostlogic | amiconn: but I'd rather understand why it causes a problem first. |
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| 23:25:56 | preglow | ep0ch: lemme know what you think |
| 23:26:00 | Moos | lostlogic: did you have the strange behaviour when you stop playback and resume, no audio and when you go to debug audio menu, all is freezed? |
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| 23:26:05 | lostlogic | hmph, now I can't get it to screw up any more, this is very frustrating, and I'm obviously missing some mode of interaction between the two threads. |
| 23:26:31 | lostlogic | Moos: yes, sometimes when playing from an offset I've had that. |
| 23:26:37 | ep0ch | preglow: will do, just copying over the new build |
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| 23:27:06 | Moos | lostlogic: you really have destoyed playback man : ) |
| 23:27:47 | amiconn | preglow: From looking at the lcd writing code, it seems there is something like an interface controller between the cpu and the actual lcd controller |
| 23:27:59 | preglow | amiconn: wouldn't surprise me |
| 23:28:04 | Moos | lostlogic: ohoh, I didn't test your last fix yet |
| 23:28:07 | amiconn | This controller handles the timing requirements of the lcd controller |
| 23:28:16 | afruff23 | Audio ADC/DAC driver 50% Playback works, recording not done |
| 23:28:17 | lostlogic | Moos: don't expect much new in the latest, that was mostly non-functional changes. |
| 23:28:21 | afruff23 | from X5 port page |
| 23:28:31 | afruff23 | does recording necessarily mean using hte Mic? |
| 23:28:34 | afruff23 | the* |
| 23:28:35 | amiconn | ...but: somehow the timing is apparently much slower than what the lcd controller can handle |
| 23:28:37 | Moos | lostlogic: ok |
| 23:28:39 | ep0ch | preglow: do you have any recommended settings for crossfeed? |
| 23:28:40 | preglow | amiconn: damn, it's got _SIX_ dma channels |
| 23:28:47 | preglow | ep0ch: the defaults should be pretty nice |
| 23:28:55 | lostlogic | Moos: yes, I expected I'd severely break playback when I started this, now the goal is to fix it. and in the end we'll have a cleaner and more robust (and a bit faster) system. |
| 23:28:56 | afruff23 | in other words, are there definite plans to support the mic on the X5? |
| 23:29:20 | preglow | ep0ch: http://www.ohl.to/interests-in-audio/crossfeed-and-eq-for-headphones/ |
| 23:29:24 | amiconn | I suspect there's some configuration register for this interface controller, where the timings can be adjusted |
| 23:29:25 | Moos | lostlogic: we are in bugs hunting, no? : ) |
| 23:29:28 | preglow | ep0ch: check that page, it's from jlo, who designed the crossfeed |
| 23:29:40 | preglow | we really should find out how to use the dma |
| 23:29:43 | lostlogic | this was on the 3.0 release schedule :-P |
| 23:29:47 | amiconn | Now if I only knew this register :-( |
| 23:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: There are always plans to support all hardware, it's just a matter of how long it'll take. |
| 23:30:00 | ep0ch | preglow: cool |
| 23:30:29 | afruff23 | "Datasheets are only available to ALi's development partners and customers who have signed non-disclosure agreements. Unfortunately, datasheets cannot be provided to end-users. ALi will review requests from other developers and grant them on a case-by-case basis. " |
| 23:30:44 | afruff23 | taken from X5 hardware components page talking about USB chip on X5 |
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| 23:30:51 | Moos | lostlogic: but why didn't made patches and ask for testers instead of commit broken code? :p |
| 23:31:00 | afruff23 | has any developer cotnacted these guys for a datasheet |
| 23:31:04 | afruff23 | contacted* |
| 23:31:07 | ep0ch | preglow: no option to change the delay? |
| 23:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Since there's a non-disclosure agreement, information from the datasheet may not be able to be used anyway., |
| 23:31:19 | afruff23 | to help engineer USba nd USB-OTG |
| 23:31:20 | preglow | ep0ch: nope |
| 23:31:52 | preglow | amiconn: the pp spec sheet says it's got display controllers |
| 23:32:11 | amiconn | preglow: The lcd controller can handle cycle times of 600ns at the lowest voltage. It's a 16bit i/f, so this would allow ~3MByte/s transfer rate. |
| 23:33:00 | lostlogic | Moos: I'm encouraging people to help me. |
| 23:33:20 | lostlogic | Moos: and because I don't have my own SCM system and want revision control and tracking on the various steps of the process. |
| 23:33:33 | lostlogic | (that is I'm too lazy to set up a local repository for versioning) |
| 23:33:33 | preglow | we're in dev anyway |
| 23:33:36 | amiconn | However, we get 156fps on mini at 75MHz, which means only 580KByte/s |
| 23:33:54 | Moos | lostlogic: hehe :) |
| 23:34:01 | Mikachu | "naked: Use this attribute on the ARM, AVR, C4x and IP2K ports to indicate that the specified function does not need prologue/epilogue sequences generated by the compiler. It is up to the programmer to provide these sequences." <- what does that mean? |
| 23:34:08 | amiconn | So where's the slowness factor of 5 coming from? |
| 23:34:10 | Moos | lostlogic: if you need I test something, just ask |
| 23:34:11 | preglow | besides, now lostlogic has all the testers he could ever want :P |
| 23:34:33 | Moos | :-) |
| 23:34:34 | lostlogic | exactly, I just hafta look for people yelling my name in the channel :) |
| 23:35:01 | preglow | ep0ch: i guess i could hack up a version that has the delay control as well |
| 23:35:14 | * | scottder yells random things at lostlogic |
| 23:35:17 | preglow | i'm just sceptical to include it since i don't think it'll have very much impact, and will make my code slower |
| 23:35:22 | Moos | preglow: new crosfeed coming? |
| 23:35:34 | preglow | Moos: i just posted the patch here |
| 23:35:48 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/new_crossfeed.patch |
| 23:35:49 | Moos | goodie |
| 23:35:51 | ep0ch | preglow: i say don't do it if its going to make it slower |
| 23:36:11 | preglow | ep0ch: it might, i'm coding the assembler optimised routine now, and it doesn't look like i'll have any registers to spare |
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| 23:40:06 | ep0ch | preglow: crossfeed seems good, without the attenuation loss its easier to compare the difference with and without crossfeed now |
| 23:41:00 | preglow | ep0ch: yup, be careful you don't make it clip now, though |
| 23:41:04 | preglow | ep0ch: since that's possible |
| 23:41:07 | Mikachu | are the interrupt handlers written in assembler? |
| 23:41:18 | preglow | Mikachu: on ipod, only the fiq handler is |
| 23:41:22 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:41:24 | preglow | that's the most critical one anyway |
| 23:41:36 | Mikachu | there is an "interrupt" attribute in gcc |
| 23:41:41 | amiconn | preglow: Hah, this is nice: In arm asm, a conditional return is just one instruction, including the register restore... |
| 23:41:45 | Mikachu | "The compiler will generate function entry and exit sequences suitable for use in an interrupt handler when this attribute is present." |
| 23:41:55 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, that's really sweet |
| 23:41:57 | Mikachu | Permissible values for this parameter are: IRQ, FIQ, SWI, ABORT and UNDEF. |
| 23:42:07 | preglow | amiconn: and including a thumb/arm state change |
| 23:42:16 | amiconn | ldmeqia sp!, {......., pc} |
| 23:42:46 | preglow | the ldm and stm instructions are really handy |
| 23:43:58 | preglow | sweet god, gcc is so incredibly wasteful with the registers |
| 23:44:48 | amiconn | What still confuses me is the operand order |
| 23:45:09 | preglow | it's quite logical, really |
| 23:45:14 | preglow | it's in algebraic order for most thing |
| 23:45:15 | preglow | s |
| 23:45:26 | Mikachu | preglow: are you supposed to add strings in the middle of the lagn file? |
| 23:45:27 | preglow | add r0, r1, r2 -> r0 = r1 + r2 |
| 23:45:37 | amiconn | Mikachu: No, never |
| 23:45:44 | preglow | right |
| 23:45:48 | Mikachu | that's why one of my menus had YES = PLAY in it then |
| 23:45:53 | preglow | i tried to follow the logical layout of amiconns lang update |
| 23:46:32 | preglow | i question how useful the lang file backwards compatability is |
| 23:46:45 | Moos | preglow: crossfeed is now so far better, in one usable state for use it always for me now : ) |
| 23:47:23 | * | Moos is playing with settings |
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