| 00:00:01 | afruff23 | when does the battery indicator go from 100% to 75% |
| 00:00:02 | | Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:00:02 | afruff23 | ? |
| 00:00:09 | afruff23 | when you reach exactly 75% |
| 00:00:10 | sharpe | after 25% has been used? |
| 00:00:11 | afruff23 | ? |
| 00:00:15 | afruff23 | ok |
| 00:00:44 | afruff23 | why are there two tags for charging |
| 00:00:46 | Moos | lostlogic: are you editing playback sw codec wiki page? |
| 00:00:48 | afruff23 | charger conencted |
| 00:00:50 | afruff23 | acnd charging |
| 00:01:02 | afruff23 | is it ebcaus e the charger can be connected |
| 00:01:07 | afruff23 | but battery is full? |
| 00:01:13 | afruff23 | because* |
| 00:01:18 | afruff23 | and* |
| 00:01:35 | Moos | lostlogic: ok |
| 00:01:39 | lostlogic | Moos: yes, just put the bugs on there, am done now. |
| 00:01:52 | Moos | we will |
| 00:01:53 | Mikachu | sin(0.0000001) / 0.0000001 = 1 |
| 00:02:20 | lostlogic | Moos: thanks |
| 00:02:29 | Moos | no problem |
| 00:02:34 | afruff23 | i am going to use a color coordinated battery indicator |
| 00:02:39 | sharpe | ooh |
| 00:02:41 | sharpe | use pink! |
| 00:02:43 | afruff23 | you think i should use greeen yellow and red? |
| 00:02:56 | sharpe | pink, purple, and bright orange! |
| 00:02:57 | afruff23 | pink would be transparent lol |
| 00:03:35 | sharpe | sin(x) = 1/csc(x) |
| 00:03:39 | sharpe | i are special!! |
| 00:03:53 | petur | sure you am |
| 00:04:03 | sharpe | thank you much |
| 00:04:07 | afruff23 | so I'm thinking I should put two different images for when the abttery is full (one when the charger is connected so ti really is at 100%, and one when the charger is disconencetd so ti could eb from 76-100%) |
| 00:04:21 | afruff23 | it could be* |
| 00:04:25 | afruff23 | battery* |
| 00:04:29 | afruff23 | it* |
| 00:04:34 | afruff23 | disconnected* |
| 00:04:42 | ScootScat | lol |
| 00:04:49 | afruff23 | I type bad |
| 00:05:04 | Mikachu | preglow: since main() never returns or does stuff, should it be safe to mark it naked? |
| 00:05:19 | Mikachu | preglow: saved 4 bytes :P |
| 00:05:20 | sharpe | heh, i still haven't solved the problem with 0xE2FC being swapped to 0xFCE2, no matter what i try it comes out as 0x6c60... |
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| 00:07:21 | afruff23 | does anybody knwo the subline times I should use to simulate a bettery icon charging? |
| 00:07:27 | afruff23 | know* |
| 00:07:44 | afruff23 | the image alterantes between 25 and 50% |
| 00:07:48 | afruff23 | images |
| 00:07:56 | afruff23 | alternate* |
| 00:08:53 | | Quit petur ("toomuchbeer") |
| 00:10:23 | afruff23 | does anybody understand what I mean? |
| 00:11:27 | sharpe | you want to alternate between images while the battery is charging? |
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| 00:13:08 | afruff23 | yes |
| 00:13:31 | afruff23 | I need to know a good subline time to make it look natural |
| 00:13:32 | sharpe | hmm |
| 00:13:42 | sharpe | oh, just the time? |
| 00:13:52 | afruff23 | yes |
| 00:13:57 | afruff23 | i knwo how to code the rest |
| 00:14:00 | afruff23 | know* |
| 00:14:24 | sharpe | you want it like rockbox has it, or... |
| 00:14:29 | sharpe | just a good time? |
| 00:14:43 | afruff23 | a good time |
| 00:15:08 | afruff23 | so if the abttery was at 25% and it is charging, then it would alternate between the 25 and 50% iamge |
| 00:15:12 | sharpe | well, since yours alternates between... 25 and 50... i'd say... 2 seconds... |
| 00:15:15 | afruff23 | how long should it display each? |
| 00:15:26 | | Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.11 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 00:15:29 | afruff23 | ok |
| 00:15:42 | afruff23 | why does it matter if ti is between 25 and 50 |
| 00:15:46 | afruff23 | and not 50 and 75 |
| 00:15:49 | sharpe | feels odd... |
| 00:16:05 | afruff23 | so what should I do for alternating between 50 and 75? |
| 00:16:11 | sharpe | i'd alternate between 0, 25, 50, 75, and 100... |
| 00:16:20 | sharpe | probably about the same |
| 00:16:24 | dpassen1 | or 0, 33, 67, 100 |
| 00:16:35 | sharpe | yeah |
| 00:16:37 | afruff23 | yes, btu if I do that, then the user wouldn't know what charge level it is at currently |
| 00:16:45 | afruff23 | functionality>pretty |
| 00:16:58 | sharpe | oh, so you're giving somewhat of a notification to the battery level? |
| 00:17:04 | afruff23 | yes |
| 00:17:21 | afruff23 | most WPSes don't let the user have a graphic presentation of the abttery level while charging |
| 00:17:22 | sharpe | couldn't you just have the battery level to the side of the icon, while it's charging...? |
| 00:17:34 | sharpe | or percentage |
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| 00:17:46 | afruff23 | As Is aid, its going to be color-coded(red, yellow, and green) |
| 00:17:52 | afruff23 | so a quick glance at the screen |
| 00:18:01 | afruff23 | will tell the user an approxiamte value |
| 00:18:18 | sharpe | i think the percentage while it's charging would be nice... |
| 00:18:23 | afruff23 | also, I need all the space I can get(coding for a 160 x128 X5 screen) |
| 00:18:28 | sharpe | mm. |
| 00:19:16 | afruff23 | besides isn't the percent value nto completely accurate? |
| 00:19:20 | afruff23 | not* |
| 00:19:33 | sharpe | yeah, but it'd be more accurate than a range of 25-50, and 50-75 |
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| 00:20:55 | afruff23 | coudl the battery level tag conditional be revised possibley to increments of 10% in the future? |
| 00:20:59 | afruff23 | that would help |
| 00:21:07 | afruff23 | possibly* |
| 00:21:10 | sharpe | don't see why not... |
| 00:22:18 | afruff23 | I''ll still display the percentage, but Is till want a functional battery icon |
| 00:22:23 | afruff23 | I still* |
| 00:22:32 | afruff23 | so 'm going to use 2 second sublines |
| 00:23:14 | | Join |Unknown| [0] (i=pinchas@216-145-235-224.rev.dls.net) |
| 00:23:24 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 00:23:38 | afruff23 | yes? |
| 00:23:42 | | Join Chamois [0] (n=Florian@bro67-3-82-231-134-112.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 00:23:45 | |Unknown| | for tagcache do I wan RAM or on disk? |
| 00:23:52 | dwihno | anyone w. ipod awake? |
| 00:24:07 | sharpe | do you want faster access? |
| 00:24:07 | Mikachu | depends on your definition of awake |
| 00:24:14 | sharpe | and ipod. |
| 00:24:18 | afruff23 | RAM is faster access |
| 00:24:20 | | Join novimon [0] (n=novimon@a84-230-230-239.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 00:24:25 | |Unknown| | ok |
| 00:24:25 | crashd | dwihno: i am |
| 00:24:28 | afruff23 | but then other thigns will be slower |
| 00:24:34 | dwihno | Well... Matrix-awake state :) |
| 00:24:35 | afruff23 | AFAIK |
| 00:24:36 | |Unknown| | and whats the folder name I add for Doom if I want mods |
| 00:24:40 | |Unknown| | Addon? or Addons |
| 00:24:52 | dwihno | I got my video ipod today |
| 00:24:54 | afruff23 | read the wiki |
| 00:24:55 | Mikachu | |Unknown|: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 00:25:20 | preglow | Mikachu: if it returns, then the ipod crt0.S code is in deep trouble |
| 00:25:21 | crashd | dwihno: ok... |
| 00:25:37 | preglow | so might as well mark it naked |
| 00:25:49 | dwihno | and now, I think I cra hed the mandelbrot renderer... Is there a way to reboot? |
| 00:25:53 | Mikachu | preglow: i followed the calling trace or whatever it's called from there, and the next one looks okay to mark naked too |
| 00:25:59 | crashd | dwihno: menu+select |
| 00:25:59 | |Unknown| | what happens if I have more than 10? |
| 00:26:01 | crashd | hold for a few seconds |
| 00:26:08 | Mikachu | preglow: that is, app_main |
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| 00:26:25 | |Unknown| | what happens if I put more than 10 wads? |
| 00:26:27 | dwihno | crashd: select=middle button? |
| 00:26:30 | afruff23 | I don't think you can use more than 10 wads |
| 00:26:31 | crashd | yeah, the round one |
| 00:26:33 | crashd | ;P |
| 00:26:45 | Mikachu | |Unknown|: then your computer will explode |
| 00:26:46 | dwihno | :) |
| 00:26:52 | dwihno | it worked :) |
| 00:26:55 | preglow | Mikachu: dunno if that is a very good way to optimise for size, though, heh |
| 00:26:55 | crashd | yes, it did! :) |
| 00:27:00 | preglow | but i guess every byte counts |
| 00:27:01 | afruff23 | besides, when ar eyou ever gonna have the time/battery life to play all of them |
| 00:27:09 | preglow | ep0ch, Moos: any comments on the crossfeed? |
| 00:27:17 | | Join Kyomi [0] (n=a@24-196-196-108.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) |
| 00:27:25 | dwihno | damn, compared to the archos, ipod video is tiny and has a huuuge screen |
| 00:27:31 | crashd | hah, yeah |
| 00:27:32 | Mikachu | preglow: and browse_root too :) |
| 00:27:35 | crashd | they do have massive screens |
| 00:27:40 | |Unknown| | and whats root.m3u? |
| 00:27:49 | preglow | Mikachu: all the thread functions too |
| 00:27:57 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 00:28:01 | Kyomi | Hey, have any of you had the problem when you try to copy something over with USB it somehow.. resets the USB connection at a certain point everytime you try to transfer it? |
| 00:28:12 | Kyomi | I have an H320 |
| 00:28:19 | * | preglow puts on some sweet, sweet goto80 |
| 00:28:24 | Kyomi | It's fine with anything else |
| 00:28:31 | Kyomi | But It doesn't want to get this on it |
| 00:28:37 | Mikachu | preglow: does the thing that switches thread save stack for them? |
| 00:28:50 | crashd | preglow: you got an slagsmalskluben? |
| 00:29:33 | preglow | crashd: if i've got a fight club? :> |
| 00:29:35 | crashd | or some of this bad boy : http://sid.oth4.com/ |
| 00:29:39 | crashd | preglow: the band, not the translation :P |
| 00:29:47 | Kyomi | Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 00:29:49 | crashd | bloody scandanavians...*mumblemumble* |
| 00:30:01 | preglow | Mikachu: yeah |
| 00:30:25 | preglow | Mikachu: that is, it doesn't save the stack, it saves the stack pointer |
| 00:30:30 | preglow | Mikachu: each thread has its own stack |
| 00:30:49 | lee-qid_ | hi there |
| 00:31:04 | lee-qid_ | finally got my iAudio X5 |
| 00:31:09 | Mikachu | doh, i meant registers :) |
| 00:31:15 | preglow | crashd: "this bad boy"? there's a bunch of people's music there |
| 00:31:26 | lee-qid_ | how hard will it be to switch to rockbox? |
| 00:31:28 | afruff23 | is this correct: |
| 00:31:29 | crashd | i meant the site, recordings of c64 tunes |
| 00:31:29 | Mikachu | would be fun to memcpy 80kB 100 times per second |
| 00:31:30 | afruff23 | %xdA;%xdB |
| 00:31:37 | | Nick lee-qid_ is now known as lee-qid (n=liqid@p5496704E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:31:41 | afruff23 | to dispaly A for 2 seconds |
| 00:31:42 | crashd | as you can see |
| 00:31:46 | afruff23 | tjam show B for 2 seconds |
| 00:31:53 | | Nick lee-qid is now known as lee-qid_ (n=liqid@p5496704E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:31:53 | afruff23 | then* |
| 00:32:03 | preglow | crashd: riiight, no, didn't know of that site |
| 00:32:06 | | Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") |
| 00:32:07 | preglow | looks promising |
| 00:32:14 | crashd | hehe, it's good if you're into that kind of thing |
| 00:32:22 | preglow | oh, and i am |
| 00:32:26 | * | preglow strokes his sidstation |
| 00:32:27 | Kyomi | Anyone at all? |
| 00:32:28 | crashd | \o/ |
| 00:33:17 | Kyomi | Have any of you had the problem when you try to copy something over with USB it somehow.. resets the USB connection at a certain point everytime you try to transfer it? |
| 00:33:29 | | Quit ender` (" Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it.") |
| 00:33:30 | Mikachu | logf("thread pcmrec done"); |
| 00:33:30 | Mikachu | } |
| 00:33:35 | preglow | Kyomi: we heard you the first time |
| 00:33:49 | preglow | Kyomi: no one answering usually signifies that no one else has the problem |
| 00:33:59 | preglow | and i don't even have a h3x0 |
| 00:34:20 | preglow | Mikachu: what about it? |
| 00:34:32 | Mikachu | does that mean it returns? |
| 00:34:40 | preglow | sure as hell looks like it |
| 00:34:47 | Mikachu | okay! |
| 00:34:47 | preglow | threads should never return |
| 00:34:57 | Mikachu | it's after a while(1) loop though |
| 00:35:02 | ashridah | Kyomi: what makes you think the connection is being 'reset' ? |
| 00:35:02 | preglow | hahah |
| 00:35:07 | afruff23 | %xdA;%xdB this displays A for 2 secodns, then B for 2 seconds, correct? |
| 00:35:16 | |Unknown| | can rockbox play mame or nes roms? |
| 00:35:19 | afruff23 | seconds* |
| 00:35:34 | afruff23 | AKAIK no |
| 00:35:57 | afruff23 | although some targets can lay gameboy games |
| 00:36:16 | ashridah | |Unknown|: there's no working emulator for either of those platforms on rockbox, no. |
| 00:36:53 | preglow | |Unknown|: no, the gameboy emulator can't play anything but gameboy games |
| 00:36:58 | |Unknown| | how bout, can Doom play Doom 2 wads? |
| 00:37:07 | preglow | i know it's tough to believe, but sometimes you've just gotta take one's word for it |
| 00:37:25 | ashridah | |Unknown|: that it can, so far as i know. |
| 00:37:34 | crashd | my rockboy can play Mame ROMS, i spent today playing KLAX for the Sega Arcade System II |
| 00:37:46 | Mikachu | ashridah: do you know if it plays plutonia and the other one? |
| 00:38:04 | Mikachu | when rockboy grows up, will he become rockman? |
| 00:38:10 | crashd | heh |
| 00:38:11 | crashd | rockman X |
| 00:38:37 | preglow | crashd: ahah |
| 00:38:46 | preglow | crashd: goto80 and slagsmalklubben is playing at a squat just close to here |
| 00:38:50 | crashd | preglow: \o |
| 00:38:51 | preglow | on a day i'm busy |
| 00:38:52 | preglow | grahadh |
| 00:38:54 | crashd | oh dude |
| 00:38:55 | preglow | fuck |
| 00:38:55 | crashd | that sucks ;\ |
| 00:39:01 | preglow | intensely |
| 00:40:00 | preglow | strange |
| 00:40:06 | preglow | that's a punker's nest, mostly |
| 00:40:16 | preglow | and then these fellas go dragging the c64s in |
| 00:40:34 | preglow | beats what they usually play in there |
| 00:41:01 | crashd | hah, i can imagine it'd cause a riot |
| 00:41:04 | crashd | wish i could see them ;\ |
| 00:41:23 | * | amiconn just spotted weirdness in the colour ipod lcd driver |
| 00:41:37 | Mikachu | preglow: down 60 bytes from threads :) |
| 00:41:59 | | Quit warthawg (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 00:42:04 | |Unknown| | can Doom play Doom 2 wads? |
| 00:42:09 | amiconn | That looks like it's more or less a straight copy, with some completely useless boundary swapping |
| 00:42:22 | Mikachu | |Unknown|: why don't you f***ing read replies to you? |
| 00:42:28 | amiconn | Like, why simple if we can make it complex? :/ |
| 00:42:59 | |Unknown| | noone replied |
| 00:43:01 | |Unknown| | >.< |
| 00:43:03 | preglow | |Unknown|: yes, they did |
| 00:43:07 | Mikachu | 00:37:26 <ashridah> |Unknown|: that it can, so far as i know. |
| 00:43:21 | ashridah | |Unknown|: "|Unknown| how bout, can Doom play Doom 2 wads?" "ashridah |Unknown|: that it can, so far as i know." |
| 00:43:32 | Mikachu | sorry for the f word, i'm a bit tired |
| 00:43:38 | ashridah | apparently i don't count :( |
| 00:43:41 | |Unknown| | thought he was talking about mame |
| 00:43:46 | Mikachu | you can pretend there's a nice word that starts with f and ends with ing |
| 00:43:47 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 00:43:54 | preglow | amiconn: ipl code is the sweetest code |
| 00:43:57 | | Quit TCK (Success) |
| 00:44:02 | preglow | Mikachu: farting? |
| 00:44:02 | goffa | fishing? |
| 00:44:07 | amiconn | preglow: I mean rockbox code here |
| 00:44:09 | Mikachu | preglow: haha |
| 00:44:11 | goffa | ;> |
| 00:44:23 | Mikachu | goffa: maybe it should match the context as well |
| 00:44:32 | preglow | amiconn: ipod rockbox code that's not lifted from ipl? |
| 00:44:34 | preglow | rare! |
| 00:44:40 | amiconn | This is taken from ipl I know. While ipl might need the ability to show mirrored rectangles, rockbox never will |
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| 00:44:49 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 00:45:02 | amiconn | So this flip code could have been eliminated during porting |
| 00:45:21 | preglow | ep0ch: comments about crossfeed! |
| 00:45:25 | preglow | Moos: comments about crossfeed! |
| 00:45:38 | goffa | censorship doesn't have to match context in the movies |
| 00:45:52 | | Quit bluebrother^ ("Leaving") |
| 00:45:59 | goffa | "Shut the FRANK up you son of a JACK" |
| 00:46:00 | afruff23 | %?bp<%?bc<%?bl<%xda;%xdb|%xdb;%xdc|%xdc;%xdd|%xdd;%xde|%xde;%xdf>|%xdf>|%?bl<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde>> |
| 00:46:05 | afruff23 | that's my battery icon code |
| 00:46:08 | Mikachu | goffa: haha |
| 00:46:20 | Mikachu | afruff23: looks like a cat walked on your keyboard |
| 00:46:28 | * | amiconn is searching for possibilities to speed things up concerning this dreaded PP and its lcd controller controller |
| 00:46:37 | afruff23 | what is PP? |
| 00:46:41 | Mikachu | portalplayer |
| 00:46:47 | Mikachu | the chip the ipod uses |
| 00:46:48 | preglow | amiconn: the transfer rate you mentioned makes it sound like something isn't configured correctly |
| 00:46:48 | afruff23 | iPods and such? |
| 00:46:53 | afruff23 | too late |
| 00:46:54 | afruff23 | lol |
| 00:46:57 | |Unknown| | http://www.coolrom.com/roms/gbc/4757/Grand_Theft_Auto_2.php |
| 00:46:58 | goffa | was going to tell you to ask your mother |
| 00:47:06 | crashd | oh, new crossfeed preglow ? |
| 00:47:12 | Mikachu | |Unknown|: not a good idea |
| 00:47:21 | amiconn | preglow: Yes. Now tell me where to configure what. </sarcasm> |
| 00:47:23 | preglow | amiconn: the flash bootloader code is probably very conservative with its timing settings, perhaps we should do some retailos disassembling to see if they reset anything |
| 00:47:31 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 00:48:02 | preglow | now, someone find me a usable disassembler for linux |
| 00:48:11 | preglow | crashd: new crossfeed |
| 00:48:12 | crashd | can you run IDA under wine? |
| 00:48:18 | preglow | probably |
| 00:48:20 | crashd | :P |
| 00:48:31 | amiconn | The only disasm available to me is objdump |
| 00:48:37 | preglow | me too |
| 00:48:39 | amiconn | (both for coldfire and arm) |
| 00:48:41 | preglow | and that sucks |
| 00:49:02 | amiconn | For sh there's sh2d, which is a bit better |
| 00:50:03 | amiconn | What I don't understand with arm-elf-objdump -D is why it doesn't try to be smart and spot which words are actually constants instead of instructions |
| 00:50:05 | markun_ | crashd: I use IDA under wine a lot |
| 00:50:07 | afruff23 | anybody know of a text-editor that can help a user easily recognize where a nested statment begins and ends? |
| 00:50:18 | afruff23 | I have a bunch of if statements within another |
| 00:50:30 | Mikachu | look at indenting? |
| 00:50:34 | preglow | amiconn: it does do that, but not perfectly |
| 00:50:37 | crashd | vi, textpad |
| 00:50:44 | crashd | vim, textpad, rather ;P |
| 00:50:47 | afruff23 | it's a WPS so I can't indent |
| 00:50:52 | afruff23 | sicne it's all one line |
| 00:51:04 | afruff23 | since* |
| 00:51:07 | crashd | could knock up some highlighting rules for either of those afruff23 |
| 00:51:12 | Mikachu | preglow: here's the disassemblers category on freshmeat, http://freshmeat.net/browse/873/ |
| 00:51:14 | vca | i used to use this dasm.pl thing that analyzes objdump's output and attempts to make it readable by analyzing alongside the symbol table |
| 00:51:23 | amiconn | preglow: Is there an extra option? Because, I got only instructions, even for word which are clearly constants |
| 00:51:26 | preglow | amiconn: it's complicated by the fact that almost all 32 bit numbers decode to a legal arm instruction |
| 00:51:30 | vca | it ain't IDA, but it works |
| 00:51:30 | afruff23 | are either of them available as windows binaries? |
| 00:51:40 | afruff23 | @crashd |
| 00:51:50 | preglow | amiconn: i use only -d and it sometimes picks up the constant pool, that's all i know |
| 00:52:00 | amiconn | preglow: I don't see the problem. If an address is referenced by a load instruction, it is likely to be data |
| 00:52:03 | vca | probably only good for x86 though |
| 00:52:11 | amiconn | That's the heuristic sh2d uses on sh |
| 00:52:14 | preglow | amiconn: ahh, yeah, true, but objdump doesn't work on that level at all |
| 00:52:32 | preglow | vca: feel free to port it to arm :> |
| 00:52:42 | vca | yeah i'll get right on that. rofl |
| 00:53:51 | * | amiconn recently discovered ipod rom diagnostics |
| 00:54:33 | amiconn | Well, with help from the ipl wiki... |
| 00:54:58 | preglow | there's a _ton_ of addresses left to map |
| 00:55:02 | preglow | but yeah |
| 00:55:09 | preglow | disassmbling the diag code would probably help heaps |
| 00:55:27 | amiconn | why do you think so? |
| 00:55:43 | preglow | diag/bootloader, at least |
| 00:55:46 | preglow | it does all the inits |
| 00:55:58 | preglow | both rockbox and retailos hardly init anything |
| 00:55:59 | amiconn | The diag seems to use way slower lcd code than retailos itself |
| 00:56:14 | preglow | i don't mean specifically for lcd code |
| 00:56:16 | amiconn | at least on my mini |
| 00:56:33 | Mikachu | heh, it does a cute beep with the piezo |
| 00:56:37 | preglow | but both rockbox and retailos relies heavily on what the bootloader does to the hardware |
| 00:56:40 | Mikachu | (select+left on nano to enter apparently) |
| 00:57:02 | amiconn | preglow: YEs I know. The mirrored lcd in retailos on greyscale ipods... |
| 00:57:19 | crashd | markun_: same for 5g also |
| 00:58:25 | amiconn | But, if retailos relies on bootloader inits like that, wouldn't it be unlikely that it changes things like the transfer speed? |
| 00:59:37 | afruff23 | anybody know aspect ratio for a typical battery icon? |
| 00:59:44 | afruff23 | including the "=" tip part |
| 00:59:53 | afruff23 | "+" |
| 00:59:57 | midkay | there is absolutely none. use whichever size you feel like.. |
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| 01:00:05 | crashd | heh |
| 01:00:12 | crashd | the diagnostics on the 5g has the TVOUT stuff |
| 01:00:21 | afruff23 | but I don't want it too like out of proportion |
| 01:00:38 | midkay | afruff23, so... make it not-out-of-proportion. |
| 01:00:39 | Mikachu | http://images.google.com/images?q=battery&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 01:00:43 | midkay | whatever looks good to you. |
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| 01:01:00 | vca | apparently there's IDA for Linux in console mode that supports ARM |
| 01:01:06 | vca | http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/linux/index.htm |
| 01:01:16 | afruff23 | I need the aspect ratio for the abttery icon not an actual battery |
| 01:01:25 | afruff23 | battery* |
| 01:01:32 | Mikachu | http://images.google.com/images?q=battery%20icon&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 01:02:02 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, probably |
| 01:02:16 | afruff23 | I found one in that search |
| 01:02:16 | Mikachu | Charge OK ! |
| 01:02:20 | Mikachu | thank you apple |
| 01:02:24 | afruff23 | but it seemse out of proportion |
| 01:02:44 | crashd | wonder if we could get preliminary tvout on rockbox |
| 01:02:54 | midkay | afruff23, so _make one that looks good to you_. nobody follows a standard, there is no typical proportion. it boils down to what looks good. |
| 01:03:19 | afruff23 | midkay, I'mnot too good at creating non-basic graphics from scratch |
| 01:03:26 | afruff23 | I need semthing to work off of |
| 01:03:33 | afruff23 | something* |
| 01:03:39 | midkay | um, it's a box, with another small box at the end.. |
| 01:03:48 | midkay | i don't think there's possibly an easier icon to make. :) |
| 01:03:53 | afruff23 | But I don't know how rounded the edges are |
| 01:04:02 | midkay | they aren't. |
| 01:04:03 | afruff23 | how much the tip sticks out |
| 01:04:06 | midkay | if you want "typical". |
| 01:04:10 | midkay | 1 pixel, then. |
| 01:04:32 | afruff23 | The height for it is going to be exactly 20 |
| 01:04:39 | afruff23 | not sure about width tough |
| 01:04:48 | afruff23 | horizontally oriented battery |
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| 01:05:05 | midkay | that's quite big. well, try 35 or 40.. |
| 01:05:20 | midkay | and a 3x5-ish bump.. |
| 01:05:23 | afruff23 | Found something nvm |
| 01:05:24 | afruff23 | http://www.kodak.com/global/images/en/service/digCam/mc3/ownerManual/batteryLowIcon.gif |
| 01:05:39 | midkay | omg! no! that's too wide. it's not typical! |
| 01:05:57 | afruff23 | No, it seems proportional to me |
| 01:06:16 | afruff23 | and it is easy to edit |
| 01:06:23 | afruff23 | since there's only two colors |
| 01:06:32 | afruff23 | and no antialiasing |
| 01:06:34 | midkay | now do you realize how impossible it is to ask "anybody know aspect ratio for a typical battery icon?"? :) |
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| 01:06:45 | sharpe | wheee |
| 01:07:19 | afruff23 | or do you think I should use this one? |
| 01:07:19 | afruff23 | http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/sds_battery062305.gif |
| 01:07:21 | webguest66 | hello |
| 01:07:25 | afruff23 | apple |
| 01:07:42 | ashridah | i'd avoid stealing art :) |
| 01:07:58 | afruff23 | No |
| 01:08:02 | midkay | afruff23, it's not typical!!! |
| 01:08:03 | afruff23 | I'm gonna edit it a lot |
| 01:08:13 | ashridah | which doesn't negate stealing |
| 01:08:14 | afruff23 | different colors |
| 01:08:16 | afruff23 | size |
| 01:08:18 | afruff23 | edges |
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| 01:08:47 | afruff23 | if I change edges, then ti's very different |
| 01:08:52 | afruff23 | it's* |
| 01:09:16 | afruff23 | besides don't many people already have iPod look-alike WPSes? |
| 01:09:26 | afruff23 | how come apple isn't suing them? |
| 01:09:50 | ashridah | making a wps that resembles an ipod is one thing. violating apple's copyright on a specific image is quite another altogether |
| 01:10:20 | afruff23 | but soem people sue the exact same pics |
| 01:10:21 | nudel | the ipod UI is pretty ugly IMO, not much of it is even worth stealing/copying |
| 01:10:32 | afruff23 | the battery icon looks nice |
| 01:10:34 | afruff23 | lol |
| 01:10:36 | ashridah | afruff23: that doesn't make it right |
| 01:10:46 | nudel | yeah it does, i was thinking that :) the rest is pretty horrible though |
| 01:10:58 | amiconn | preglow: This is interesting. I found a bogomips comparison of PP5002, PP5020 and PP5022: |
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| 01:11:10 | afruff23 | so do oyu knwo where I can find non-copyrighted battery icons? |
| 01:11:15 | afruff23 | you* know* |
| 01:11:30 | amiconn | "(PP5022) ... At 75Mhz they've been kicking out BogoMIPS of around 37, compared to 32 for the Pp5020 and 16 for the PP5002." |
| 01:11:32 | crashd | i dont think apple are going to chase people who create stuff that looks a bit like their battery icon |
| 01:11:40 | crashd | as that is so very similar to other battery icons |
| 01:11:43 | crashd | previous art and so on |
| 01:12:15 | midkay | afruff23, yes, with your image editor and the 'rectangle' tool. |
| 01:12:26 | afruff23 | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.virginelectronics.com/images/lithium-ion_icon.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.virginelectronics.com/hi-player_128_256.htm&h=66&w=105&sz=1&tbnid=y1Hey1PdszL2dM:&tbnh=49&tbnw=79&hl=en&start=271&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbattery%2Bicon%26start%3D260%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN |
| 01:12:33 | afruff23 | this stie is down |
| 01:12:38 | afruff23 | so I'm not breaking any laws |
| 01:12:46 | afruff23 | site* |
| 01:12:49 | afruff23 | right? |
| 01:12:50 | midkay | haha. |
| 01:12:56 | Mikachu | uh, what kind of logic is that? |
| 01:12:56 | crashd | dude |
| 01:12:59 | Mikachu | 1) the site isn't down |
| 01:13:00 | midkay | um.. |
| 01:13:00 | Mikachu | 2) wtf |
| 01:13:03 | crashd | your grasp of copyright is rudimentary |
| 01:13:07 | crashd | to say the least |
| 01:13:09 | afruff23 | yes it is down |
| 01:13:14 | afruff23 | it says not found for me |
| 01:13:18 | ashridah | afruff23: actually, there's quite a few places you can find gratis artwork online |
| 01:13:27 | crashd | for it to say not found, the site actually has to be up |
| 01:13:30 | afruff23 | links please? |
| 01:13:31 | ashridah | lots of opensource projects distribute artwork under free licenses |
| 01:13:31 | preglow | amiconn: no pp5021? |
| 01:13:47 | preglow | amiconn: damn, that really makes me look forward to optimising codecs for pp5002 |
| 01:13:50 | midkay | so if you use apple's, they're going to be at your door the next morning to throw you in jail for modifying a battery icon? and a site that's hosting a picture and just missing page will be fine to steal from? |
| 01:13:54 | amiconn | No. But some other site says the pp5021 is just a low power version of the pp5020 |
| 01:14:06 | amiconn | ...although I don't really believe this |
| 01:14:11 | midkay | afruff23, it's not down. a page is missing.. it's clearly up, the image is there. |
| 01:14:12 | preglow | i thought it was a low power version of pp5022 |
| 01:14:48 | afruff23 | oh, you're right |
| 01:14:55 | afruff23 | I went to virginelectronic.com |
| 01:14:59 | amiconn | The CPU frequency issue not occuring on pp5021 makes me doubt it |
| 01:15:10 | afruff23 | and I realized this is the well-known virgin company whcih makes crap phones |
| 01:15:19 | afruff23 | and crap mp3 players |
| 01:15:26 | amiconn | preglow: Imagine codec performance on pp5002... |
| 01:15:28 | sharpe | now, to see if this will work. |
| 01:15:52 | sharpe | i may have the joystick possibly implemented |
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| 01:17:01 | amiconn | preglow: http://www.audiodesignline.com/howto/178600007 |
| 01:17:17 | amiconn | "Both the Nano and Video use the PP5021C, which is believed to be a lower power consumption version of the PP5020, with some minor changes." |
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| 01:18:12 | afruff23 | off-topic, how do I make rounded rectangles in GIMP |
| 01:18:31 | afruff23 | the GIMP IRC hardly responds, so sorry |
| 01:19:21 | preglow | amiconn: it'll be hell |
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| 01:19:34 | preglow | not using both cores is completely out of the question |
| 01:20:13 | nudel | i wonder how much ARM charge for their assembler mp3 decoder |
| 01:20:20 | Mikachu | afruff23: try 'Rounded Rectangle' from the Select menu |
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| 01:21:51 | Mikachu | afruff23: disclaimer, i have a very new gimp |
| 01:22:29 | Mikachu | well, 30 days old anyway |
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| 01:28:19 | preglow | arghghg |
| 01:28:27 | preglow | i want a flaming coldfire gcc _now_ |
| 01:28:35 | Mikachu | flaming coldfire sounds cool |
| 01:29:13 | preglow | looks even cooler |
| 01:29:54 | austriancoder | backlight handling for plugins: should every plugin do it by it own, or should there be a global config? |
| 01:30:13 | Mikachu | did you make that patch for a global setting or was it sosmeone else? |
| 01:30:54 | nudel | i'd imagine some plugins (e.g. games) would be suited to it always being on while others wouldn't (e.g., erm, i dunno, clock or something that you leave on your desk and don't want to eat the battery) |
| 01:30:55 | austriancoder | was someone else.. but i want to check it an mybe commit it |
| 01:32:28 | midkay | preglow, btw, at your comment about using both cores... any progress or update or even attempt at that yet? |
| 01:32:49 | austriancoder | nudel: okay, you are right... so i will fix every plugin by its own |
| 01:33:10 | midkay | austriancoder, wait, what? |
| 01:33:21 | midkay | hardlocking the backlight is a bad idea, i think.. |
| 01:33:46 | austriancoder | midkay: i will make an option menu in every plugin to set setting |
| 01:34:28 | midkay | austriancoder, an option menu in every plugin? sounds tough and inconsistent.. good luck.. |
| 01:35:20 | austriancoder | there is already in some plugins a menu to control playback, so addin backlight setting shouldn't be that hard |
| 01:35:32 | preglow | midkay: neither progress not attempt |
| 01:35:40 | midkay | preglow, any idea how hard it'd be? |
| 01:35:44 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:35:47 | preglow | moderately hard |
| 01:35:57 | preglow | i don't know really how to do it yet |
| 01:35:58 | midkay | austriancoder, i know that, i've only seen that menu in a few plugins. again, good luck.. both doing and getting it accepted, if you manage.. |
| 01:36:27 | austriancoder | midkay: if it works for me, i will commit it |
| 01:36:31 | midkay | preglow, hm. :\ so are you able to use both cores at once for an effective 150mhz single CPU, or do you have to address them seperately, or what? |
| 01:36:46 | midkay | austriancoder, oh, there you go.. alright.. |
| 01:38:08 | * | austriancoder adds playback control menu to some plugins |
| 01:38:15 | midkay | austriancoder, maybe you should consider any other approaches first - maybe a plugin.config file in /.rockbox that allows you to specify timeouts for specific plugins and then have the timer set appropriately if that plugin is loaded.. so you don't need to modify each one. |
| 01:38:28 | preglow | midkay: address separetly |
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| 01:38:31 | Mikachu | you would still need somewhere to save the plugin specific settings |
| 01:38:38 | preglow | midkay: and they can't communicate very easilt |
| 01:38:41 | preglow | esaily |
| 01:38:45 | preglow | bah, you get it |
| 01:38:48 | midkay | preglow, that rather sucks.. :) |
| 01:38:58 | preglow | they have their separate caches |
| 01:39:07 | preglow | all communication has to go through iram |
| 01:39:48 | sharpe | YAY! |
| 01:39:57 | sharpe | guess what!! |
| 01:40:10 | Kyomi | what? |
| 01:40:20 | sharpe | the cpu emulator works properly now :) |
| 01:40:27 | Kyomi | For what? |
| 01:40:29 | sharpe | c64 |
| 01:40:38 | Kyomi | on h320? |
| 01:40:46 | sharpe | i don't have a h320 |
| 01:40:48 | midkay | preglow, i see.. hm.. crossed fingers hoping to see some progress on that soon, though i know it's not really a priority. it'd be cool to not have rapid button events and stuff not killing playback.. |
| 01:41:18 | preglow | it probably wont happen soon at all, no |
| 01:41:33 | Kyomi | What about MIDI music? |
| 01:41:55 | sharpe | i'll say it again, "cpu emulator" |
| 01:42:04 | sharpe | so far, it's the only implemented part of the c64 |
| 01:42:10 | Kyomi | sharpe: I'm not talking about that anymore |
| 01:42:16 | sharpe | aww... |
| 01:42:17 | sharpe | but |
| 01:42:20 | sharpe | nobody talks to me |
| 01:42:24 | sharpe | lol... |
| 01:42:30 | Mikachu | you should be used to it by now |
| 01:42:31 | midkay | preglow, before 3.1?! *prays* :) |
| 01:42:34 | Kyomi | Because you just stopped the conversation :P |
| 01:42:52 | sharpe | :( i'll just go back to working on the emulator. |
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| 01:46:23 | preglow | midkay: perhaps |
| 01:48:08 | midkay | preglow, not that i do *any* work in that field so it's definitely not my place to say this, but having it done before 3.1 sounds almost 'important' considering the iPods should be officially supported by then.. |
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| 01:49:51 | Moos | preglow: your new crossfeed sounds good for me when you find the good values for your songs, but I'm surely not the one for more feedbacks |
| 01:49:55 | preglow | midkay: sure, and it'll work fine as it is given enough optimising |
| 01:49:56 | Moos | markun? |
| 01:50:02 | preglow | midkay: we'll see, it might easily be much work |
| 01:50:18 | midkay | preglow, agreed, i know much optimization is still left.. |
| 01:50:32 | preglow | Moos: yo, got any crossfeed comments for me? |
| 01:51:11 | afruff23 | Mikachu, I have 2.2.10 I believe |
| 01:51:11 | midkay | preglow, btw, with your new crossfeed, the same exact effect the last one had will be reproducible, right? |
| 01:51:17 | afruff23 | for GIMp that is |
| 01:51:38 | preglow | midkay: no |
| 01:51:48 | Moos | like I said, I'm not a big fan of equalzer and things like this, but in term of sounds I played a bit with values and that sounds *far* better the current implementation |
| 01:51:52 | afruff23 | I sued it but it realy deosn't give much of a rounded feel for a 28x20 rectangle |
| 01:51:52 | Moos | markun :p |
| 01:51:55 | preglow | midkay: the old one used some truly funky stuff that made no sense |
| 01:52:09 | preglow | Moos: right, didn't see your answer |
| 01:52:19 | preglow | thanks for testing |
| 01:52:20 | midkay | preglow, ah, i'm just slightly worried i'll lose it, but i trust you in that the new one will sound better. :) |
| 01:52:42 | preglow | midkay: well, i really think it does |
| 01:53:01 | Moos | preglow: no problem, hopefully you will commit this stuff for aal |
| 01:53:03 | midkay | preglow, as does Moos, so.. "can't wait". :) |
| 01:53:18 | Moos | *all |
| 01:53:52 | preglow | Moos: yeah, i will soon |
| 01:54:09 | Moos | midkay: what's about your clock plugin for X5? while you are in the europeean hours |
| 01:54:09 | preglow | i'm just curious about what people think about the settings |
| 01:54:14 | Moos | preglow: goodie |
| 01:54:31 | Moos | preglow: for me that looks a bit like equalizer stuff |
| 01:54:42 | midkay | Moos, what do you mean? making it work? should be extremely easy.. 'while you are in the european hours'? :) |
| 01:55:34 | Moos | yeah make it working for X5, and I don't see you a lot when we are awake us europeans ;) |
| 01:56:05 | midkay | Moos, ah. :) i'm around a lot, i guess the time's off quite a bit though, true.. yes, i just need to add some key assignments. i'll do that now.. |
| 01:56:14 | midkay | Moos, do you have an X5? |
| 01:56:21 | Moos | Thanks, yes I have |
| 01:56:37 | midkay | cool.. maybe you can test it for me and let me know how the button layout is? |
| 01:56:44 | preglow | Moos: exactly, it's not really intuitive, but i don't know how to make a crossfeed intuitive... |
| 01:57:03 | Moos | sure but make quicly, 2:00 am here :) |
| 01:57:28 | midkay | Moos, *rushing* :) |
| 01:58:01 | midkay | does X5 have a button_select? |
| 01:58:15 | afruff23 | isn't it right |
| 01:58:20 | Moos | preglow: imho, that will be hard to do it more intuitive, for me both equalizer and Crossfeed need knowledge in this area or testing a lot of values |
| 01:58:36 | preglow | Moos: yeah, exactly, you pretty much need to know how it works to understand it |
| 01:58:42 | Moos | yeah |
| 01:59:06 | midkay | Moos, compiling.. |
| 01:59:13 | Moos | goodie |
| 01:59:23 | preglow | i actually think this crossfeed will be far faster then the old one too |
| 01:59:26 | preglow | everyone wins |
| 01:59:32 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:13 | * | midkay chants: "We want Crossfeed2 in CVS!" |
| 02:00:41 | Moos | preglow: did safetydan gave you feedbacks before he went? |
| 02:00:44 | preglow | ep0ch: actually, it looks like i've got one register to spare, perhaps delay time can be made an option too, then |
| 02:00:59 | preglow | Moos: no, he just did the gui coding for me, i didn't have the actual crossfeed code finished when he left |
| 02:01:02 | preglow | heh |
| 02:01:42 | Moos | a ok, because with you it's probably the only one knowing about those stuff (and markn too) |
| 02:01:52 | Moos | markun even |
| 02:02:51 | Moos | midkay: I suspect you to compile with the slower Cygwin, do you? :p |
| 02:03:24 | midkay | Moos, no, VMware. :) overlooked a couple things, fixing them now. |
| 02:03:37 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 02:03:38 | Moos | ok |
| 02:04:06 | Moos | I'm thinking to switch to VMware me too |
| 02:04:09 | midkay | there we are.. |
| 02:04:15 | midkay | are you using cygwin, Moos? |
| 02:04:17 | Moos | XavierGr made great stuff |
| 02:04:21 | Moos | yes :( |
| 02:04:34 | midkay | then definitely switch.. cuts your compile time into like a fourth... |
| 02:04:40 | midkay | it's incredible. :) |
| 02:04:48 | Moos | yeah I heard about : ) |
| 02:05:03 | Moos | but no linux knowledge at all here :( |
| 02:05:09 | midkay | Moos, got latest CVS? i have a clock.rock for you.. |
| 02:05:28 | Moos | I'll cvs update |
| 02:05:29 | midkay | Moos, it's just like cygwin, really.. |
| 02:05:36 | midkay | where shall i send it? |
| 02:05:43 | Moos | DCC? |
| 02:05:53 | Moos | or mail |
| 02:06:12 | midkay | probably won't work.. |
| 02:06:31 | Moos | why? |
| 02:06:38 | midkay | dcc, i mean.. |
| 02:06:42 | midkay | firewalled router. |
| 02:06:46 | midkay | mail it is. |
| 02:06:48 | Moos | ah |
| 02:07:17 | Moos | mail me: moos75 AT gmail.com |
| 02:07:24 | midkay | sent. :) |
| 02:07:30 | Moos | ok : ) |
| 02:07:31 | midkay | wait.. |
| 02:07:53 | midkay | there, sent. |
| 02:07:54 | midkay | :) |
| 02:08:20 | Moos | thanks |
| 02:08:33 | Moos | received |
| 02:09:08 | midkay | cool, let me know how it runs.. |
| 02:09:13 | Moos | sure |
| 02:11:15 | Moos | testing... |
| 02:12:53 | Moos | key mapping looks good for me |
| 02:12:59 | Moos | great plugin btw |
| 02:13:22 | Moos | never see it (h140, ondio and X5 here) |
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| 02:14:26 | midkay | Moos, haha, bad luck. cool. thanks. still waiting to scale it up for other LCDs.. |
| 02:14:41 | Moos | hehe one anonymous people on the credits : ) |
| 02:14:51 | midkay | who was it? |
| 02:14:56 | * | Moos point to BlueChip direction :) |
| 02:15:02 | midkay | oh. haha. yes.. |
| 02:15:07 | midkay | i couldn't possibly leave him out. :) |
| 02:15:31 | midkay | he helped with some things i had trouble with, i can't really remember what. :) |
| 02:15:32 | Moos | just kinding with this *huge* and infinite debate in ml |
| 02:15:41 | midkay | yeah.. |
| 02:15:50 | midkay | at least he gets a *little* credit ;) |
| 02:15:56 | Moos | :-) |
| 02:16:00 | austriancoder | jewels plugin: shoudl there be the playback control only in the in game-menu or also in the main.emu of the plugin? |
| 02:16:18 | midkay | both? |
| 02:16:27 | midkay | if only one, the game menu.. |
| 02:16:33 | midkay | you're definitely more likely to be there.. |
| 02:16:39 | Moos | midkay: please commit this |
| 02:16:52 | midkay | Moos, cool, if it's working well, i will right now.. |
| 02:17:04 | Moos | yeah working great |
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| 02:17:12 | austriancoder | midkay: at the moment i have the plugin running with the ingame-menu |
| 02:17:15 | Moos | ac: did you try it? |
| 02:17:23 | austriancoder | Moos: what? |
| 02:17:31 | Moos | clock plugin for X5 |
| 02:17:43 | midkay | i just committed it.. |
| 02:17:51 | Moos | cool thanks |
| 02:18:02 | * | austriancoder will do a try later... is commiting his patch too |
| 02:18:12 | Moos | hehe :-) |
| 02:18:45 | midkay | Moos, np, it was very easy. thanks for suggesting i get around to it. :) |
| 02:18:54 | Moos | np |
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| 02:20:04 | | Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m12.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 02:20:21 | Moos | midkay: if you have nothing to do make quickscreen working for X5 too ;) |
| 02:20:35 | midkay | Moos, which seems like an appropriate button? ;) |
| 02:21:09 | Moos | difficult because both play and rec button bussy |
| 02:21:38 | Moos | X5 lack in term of buttons |
| 02:21:45 | Moos | not enough |
| 02:21:53 | midkay | not nearly as much as iPod i think. :) |
| 02:21:57 | midkay | (lacking) |
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| 02:22:08 | Moos | hehe, right : ) |
| 02:22:12 | Moos | or Ondios |
| 02:22:25 | midkay | yeah. :) |
| 02:22:38 | * | Moos have one Ondio too ;) |
| 02:23:11 | Moos | is the quickscreen can be called in WPS screen? |
| 02:23:36 | midkay | yes.. |
| 02:23:50 | Moos | grrr silly me, busy too |
| 02:24:02 | Moos | I don't see which button we can use :( |
| 02:24:14 | midkay | which button is menu? |
| 02:24:26 | midkay | it can be on a hold.. like holding menu for iPods. |
| 02:24:26 | Moos | rec call the menu, and play, pause/stop |
| 02:24:42 | Moos | hold rec is menu already |
| 02:24:56 | Moos | made that way for prevent nowanted touch |
| 02:25:15 | Moos | and hold play is for stop |
| 02:25:21 | midkay | argh.. |
| 02:25:22 | Moos | short press for pause |
| 02:25:22 | midkay | select? |
| 02:25:25 | midkay | holding select? |
| 02:25:33 | Moos | context menu |
| 02:25:37 | midkay | argh. |
| 02:25:41 | midkay | that sucks. really. hmm. |
| 02:25:48 | Moos | yeah indeed :( |
| 02:25:59 | midkay | just like ipods, only you press menu instead of hold it for menu.. |
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| 02:26:06 | Moos | that seems we will never have quickscreen for iAudios |
| 02:26:18 | Moos | yeah |
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| 02:26:54 | Moos | but that was Bagder, hopping that will not annoye him |
| 02:27:03 | Moos | Bagder decided this way |
| 02:27:04 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 02:27:09 | midkay | ah. weird.. |
| 02:27:15 | midkay | it's a very easily pressed button? |
| 02:27:40 | Moos | but definitively single press for menu and hold press for quickscreen, looks well |
| 02:27:55 | Moos | a bit like iriver h1xx |
| 02:28:23 | midkay | Moos, that would make sense, that's how the iPod is too. but i won't change it at least not yet, if Bagder was who decided on holding for menu.. |
| 02:28:29 | Moos | not needed to hold, it was a plus, but if we need quickscreen we will have to change this |
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| 02:28:46 | Moos | yeah, we'll ask Bagder tomorrow |
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| 02:29:11 | afruff23 | i made a battery image from scratch |
| 02:29:12 | afruff23 | http://i2.tinypic.com/t6cm87.png |
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| 02:29:23 | afruff23 | apple won't be knocing on my door |
| 02:29:27 | afruff23 | knocking* |
| 02:29:34 | midkay | omg, it must have been _so_ _hard_. |
| 02:29:36 | midkay | i bow down. |
| 02:29:37 | midkay | :) |
| 02:29:44 | Moos | but now time for sleep a bit here |
| 02:29:55 | midkay | Moos, sounds good. nice talking to you, night. :) |
| 02:30:00 | afruff23 | it tookk me w while because I amde all the other battery images a s well |
| 02:30:03 | Moos | Good night or whatever at all |
| 02:30:15 | Moos | midkay: hehe, same here :) |
| 02:30:15 | afruff23 | 25%, 50%, 75%,100,%, Full |
| 02:30:18 | preglow | beh |
| 02:30:21 | afruff23 | with color codes |
| 02:30:25 | preglow | assembler version of crossfeed finished |
| 02:30:29 | preglow | and it is indeed smaller than the old one |
| 02:30:39 | Moos | Congrates |
| 02:30:44 | Moos | and good night |
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| 02:30:48 | preglow | nightie |
| 02:31:07 | midkay | preglow, cvs commit -m "New Crossfeed yay" apps/crossfeed.c!!! |
| 02:31:08 | midkay | :( |
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| 02:32:02 | preglow | ahah |
| 02:32:19 | preglow | i need to test the assembler one first |
| 02:32:29 | preglow | i haven't god a coldfire compiler on this box, after all |
| 02:32:32 | scottder | afruff23: what about 63.8%??? :) |
| 02:32:45 | preglow | thrice a curse over the gcc people and their inability to fix bugs |
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| 02:35:38 | preglow | but aight |
| 02:35:39 | preglow | i need sleep |
| 02:35:40 | austriancoder | how can a plugin save own config stuff? |
| 02:35:41 | preglow | later, all |
| 02:37:11 | afruff23 | scottder, ???? |
| 02:39:15 | afruff23 | the pink part is there for transparency |
| 02:39:44 | scottder | afruff23: just funning with ya :) |
| 02:39:55 | afruff23 | did you mean a proportion? |
| 02:40:10 | afruff23 | 63.8% |
| 02:40:33 | scottder | in refernce to the battery images...bad joke :) |
| 02:40:43 | afruff23 | oh lol |
| 02:41:06 | scottder | Mmm new crossfeed :) |
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| 02:42:48 | afruff23 | x and y coordinates from diaplyign pics start from 0,0 right? |
| 02:42:55 | afruff23 | displaying* |
| 02:43:38 | midkay | yes.. |
| 02:43:59 | afruff23 | so the X5's x-coord should go from 0-159 |
| 02:44:02 | midkay | or. no. wait. my bad, they start from 29,17.. |
| 02:44:23 | midkay | A JOKE!! |
| 02:44:37 | afruff23 | I know you were joking |
| 02:44:49 | afruff23 | so it should only go up to 159 right? |
| 02:45:12 | midkay | something like that... |
| 02:45:33 | afruff23 | I hope you guys don't mind if I do soem math here |
| 02:45:38 | afruff23 | 159-5=154 |
| 02:45:52 | afruff23 | 154-29=125 |
| 02:46:39 | afruff23 | +1=126 |
| 02:47:14 | midkay | oooh. |
| 02:47:33 | afruff23 | sin(126)=.... |
| 02:47:52 | afruff23 | god designing WPSes are so hard !!!11111111 |
| 02:48:47 | midkay | why sin? |
| 02:49:07 | Mikachu | afruff23: degrees or radians? |
| 02:49:17 | afruff23 | radians |
| 02:49:58 | midkay | 126 radians? |
| 02:49:59 | afruff23 | notice sarcasm(e.g. !!!11111111) |
| 02:50:10 | midkay | omfg. whoa. whoa. no way. |
| 02:50:27 | Mikachu | fancy, calc can do % with floats |
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| 02:54:02 | Mikachu | afruff23: i have 2.3.8 |
| 02:54:16 | afruff23 | in the WPS I'm making, my volume indicator, repeat status, and shuffle status are all within a 28 x20 box |
| 02:54:20 | afruff23 | is that too ahrd to read |
| 02:54:27 | afruff23 | they are all graphic(using bmps) |
| 02:54:35 | midkay | is it too hard to read for you? |
| 02:54:36 | afruff23 | is that too hard to read?* |
| 02:54:44 | afruff23 | well the X5 has huge pixels |
| 02:54:54 | afruff23 | so i don't think it will be |
| 02:55:18 | midkay | WPS making is for *you*.. if it looks good to you, then that's fine.. |
| 02:55:31 | afruff23 | I plan on releasing it though |
| 02:56:04 | afruff23 | Most X5 WPSes are jsut ports of other WPSes or they're made from scratch and aren't good |
| 02:56:09 | afruff23 | just* |
| 02:56:12 | midkay | screw other people. if it looks fine to you, do it.. it's your WPS. do what you want, not what you think everybody might like.. |
| 02:56:36 | afruff23 | you would make a fine capitalist(not that I'm not) |
| 02:56:50 | midkay | good. because capitalism pwnz. |
| 02:57:23 | afruff23 | Mikachu, how's the new Gimp? |
| 02:57:41 | afruff23 | most of the new features would probably be too advvanced for me to able to use |
| 02:58:22 | midkay | reboot, brb. |
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| 03:00:30 | Mikachu | afruff23: they're focusing a bit on ease of use actually |
| 03:00:56 | afruff23 | 20+29+28=77 |
| 03:01:12 | afruff23 | why, GImp was already easy to sue |
| 03:01:14 | afruff23 | use* |
| 03:01:32 | Mikachu | not really |
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| 03:02:01 | afruff23 | to me anything with a GUI that is precompiled is easy to use |
| 03:02:33 | afruff23 | 77x20 pixels contain volume, shuffle, repeat, playback status, and battery indicator |
| 03:02:40 | Mikachu | you obviously haven't used xfig |
| 03:02:40 | afruff23 | I'm worried about readability now |
| 03:03:06 | afruff23 | what's so special about xfig |
| 03:03:48 | afruff23 | is buying bootleg CD's in embargoed coutnries and using them back in your country okay by law? |
| 03:04:17 | afruff23 | i.e. I go to cuba and buy photoshop CS for $2 and come to the US and use it |
| 03:04:37 | Mikachu | most likely not |
| 03:04:44 | afruff23 | damn |
| 03:05:20 | afruff23 | isn't photoshop a bit of a memory hog?(well most image editors are) |
| 03:05:34 | Mikachu | no idea |
| 03:05:37 | afruff23 | I like Gimp for its relatively short startup |
| 03:05:55 | afruff23 | But I ahte how the windows are separated |
| 03:06:04 | afruff23 | instead of one single big window like fireworks |
| 03:06:09 | afruff23 | hate* |
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| 03:07:31 | * | qwm yawns |
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| 03:07:53 | afruff23 | I already went through A-Y for naming iamges in my WPS. Now I'm using a-Z. What signle iamge can you think of I should name for Z? |
| 03:08:01 | afruff23 | single image* |
| 03:08:16 | midkay | um... what? |
| 03:08:23 | JdGordon | w000t |
| 03:08:24 | scottder | Is your wps for the Nano... |
| 03:08:27 | afruff23 | no |
| 03:08:29 | * | JdGordon kicks ass :D |
| 03:08:31 | afruff23 | for the X5 |
| 03:08:39 | scottder | then I don't care ;) |
| 03:08:56 | afruff23 | The nano could use the X5's WPSes |
| 03:09:29 | afruff23 | Although thigns may seem very small on the nano screen |
| 03:09:36 | afruff23 | since the X5 ahs huge pixels |
| 03:09:40 | afruff23 | individual that is |
| 03:09:43 | afruff23 | has* |
| 03:10:38 | afruff23 | the only problems I expect with my WPS is text positioning and making a good backdrop |
| 03:11:26 | afruff23 | in general that is, not just for porting to the nano |
| 03:11:56 | afruff23 | I wish I could use coordinate positioning for text... |
| 03:15:59 | afruff23 | what do you guys think of this progress bar I made? |
| 03:15:59 | afruff23 | http://i2.tinypic.com/t6e747.png |
| 03:16:08 | afruff23 | be honest |
| 03:16:22 | midkay | it's.. a gray... thing. |
| 03:16:39 | afruff23 | It's kind of ahrd to tell but it's not a solid color |
| 03:16:42 | afruff23 | hard* |
| 03:16:49 | midkay | gradient, clearly.. |
| 03:16:53 | afruff23 | open it with some zooming application |
| 03:16:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:17:10 | midkay | well, it seems to gradient dark to light, should be the other way around, unless that's unfilled. |
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| 03:17:31 | afruff23 | that's nto a gradient |
| 03:17:36 | afruff23 | that's a modified pattern fill |
| 03:17:43 | afruff23 | aluminum |
| 03:17:46 | afruff23 | in GIMP |
| 03:18:01 | afruff23 | then I moved around some of the darkness and lightness bars |
| 03:18:05 | midkay | ah.. |
| 03:18:12 | afruff23 | in the config for the pattern |
| 03:18:22 | afruff23 | not general brightness/contrst |
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| 03:19:03 | afruff23 | if you zoom in you can see a purplish-gray |
| 03:19:09 | midkay | aaaaaaaAAAaAaAAH!!!! |
| 03:19:25 | Mikachu | midkay: http://mikachu.ath.cx/slask/mikachu-wps.png is the wps i made in 5 minutess in gimp :) |
| 03:19:30 | afruff23 | I'm jsut telling you so you could tell yourself that it's not a gradient |
| 03:19:54 | midkay | afruff23, i understood right when you said it wasn't a gradient, thx. |
| 03:19:55 | midkay | :) |
| 03:20:02 | midkay | Mikachu, it's .. hideous! |
| 03:20:10 | afruff23 | no, I was telling you for future |
| 03:20:15 | midkay | what future? |
| 03:20:21 | Mikachu | midkay: i know :) |
| 03:20:27 | afruff23 | in case you see an image and think it's a gradient |
| 03:20:32 | Mikachu | but i haven't gotten around to making something nicer |
| 03:21:00 | midkay | afruff23, .... who cares? if i'm supposed to be able to tell it's a pattern, i'll see it.. and if i care, i'll check closer... |
| 03:21:40 | afruff23 | don't get defensive, I'm sure you have way better iamge editing skills(no sarcasm) |
| 03:21:51 | afruff23 | image* |
| 03:22:18 | midkay | well, i think i have the ability to draw a box for a battery icon, but that wasn't what i meant.. |
| 03:22:49 | afruff23 | I wanted rounded edges, that's not as simple |
| 03:22:56 | afruff23 | but it still is simple |
| 03:22:58 | midkay | clear a pixel at each edge.. |
| 03:23:03 | * | Mikachu thinks the default status bar succeeds well in putting lots of info in a small space |
| 03:23:06 | afruff23 | but I wanted antialiasing |
| 03:23:19 | afruff23 | for the edges |
| 03:23:19 | midkay | so gray it instead of clear it.. |
| 03:23:30 | midkay | Mikachu, yes, it's nice, but on the larger screens a bit of a waste of space.. |
| 03:23:48 | midkay | i'd rather have it 3 pixels taller and larger, easier to see icons.. |
| 03:23:53 | Mikachu | okay |
| 03:23:53 | afruff23 | I wanted gradual antialiasing rather than changing ~10 different pixels |
| 03:24:08 | Mikachu | afruff23: quick mask -> gaussian blur |
| 03:24:30 | midkay | afruff23, maybe you don't understand how to antialias then. it's gradual, yes.. |
| 03:24:33 | afruff23 | i would have to select the corners exactly though |
| 03:24:55 | afruff23 | and that would take mroe tiem than jsut making a rounded rectangle with a tool |
| 03:25:03 | afruff23 | more time than jsut* |
| 03:25:07 | midkay | so use the Rounded rectangle tool instead of the rectangle tool. |
| 03:25:09 | Mikachu | or talking about it for two hours on irc |
| 03:25:13 | midkay | yeah.. |
| 03:25:14 | afruff23 | that's what I did use |
| 03:25:25 | midkay | afruff23, after a few hundred questions about typical ratios, i guess.. ;) |
| 03:26:12 | afruff23 | what can I say? |
| 03:26:16 | afruff23 | I aim to please the eye |
| 03:26:51 | afruff23 | midkay, you also forgot about the arguments about copyrights |
| 03:26:58 | midkay | afruff23, that's true.. |
| 03:27:16 | midkay | and the "is this size big enough?!" stuff.. |
| 03:27:16 | afruff23 | I thought copyrights didn't matter for non-profit business |
| 03:27:36 | Mikachu | ?? |
| 03:27:51 | midkay | yes, rockbox is non profit, so we can steal docs, decoders, trademarked names... hahaha.. |
| 03:27:52 | Mikachu | software licenses are exceptions to copyright |
| 03:28:00 | afruff23 | like I was allowed to edit copyrighted pictures for a web design class |
| 03:28:24 | midkay | well, sure. just don't post it as your own.. get permission if you post it at all.. etc. |
| 03:28:54 | afruff23 | couldn't I jsut put references into the WPS as comments |
| 03:29:03 | afruff23 | just* |
| 03:29:08 | midkay | no, you'd need permission. |
| 03:29:58 | afruff23 | and I'm sure apple wouldn't want people experiencing their battery icon on another palyer |
| 03:30:05 | afruff23 | (no sarcasm) |
| 03:30:11 | midkay | afruff23, exactly. |
| 03:30:20 | midkay | so just draw one in three seconds and avoid all that. |
| 03:30:40 | * | austriancoder goes to bed,,, good night all |
| 03:30:45 | midkay | night austriancoder.. |
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| 03:31:09 | afruff23 | capitalism comes back to bite me in the arse |
| 03:31:44 | afruff23 | are WPSes non-copyrighted? |
| 03:31:55 | afruff23 | as in I can modfiy soembody's WPS and post it as my own |
| 03:31:59 | Mikachu | everything you create is copyrighted |
| 03:32:13 | midkay | afruff23, not without permission and credit.. |
| 03:32:16 | Mikachu | it depends on the license of the wps |
| 03:32:22 | afruff23 | then what about those people who posted modified WPSes to port to the X5 |
| 03:32:28 | midkay | using another as a reference, you could just.. say.. make your own.. |
| 03:33:38 | afruff23 | do people follow web design rules when makign WPSes? |
| 03:33:44 | afruff23 | i.e. don't sue too amny colors |
| 03:33:47 | afruff23 | use* |
| 03:33:49 | afruff23 | many* |
| 03:33:53 | midkay | you can't use colors in WPS' without bitmaps. |
| 03:33:53 | afruff23 | makign* |
| 03:33:59 | afruff23 | making* |
| 03:34:04 | Mikachu | afruff23: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright |
| 03:34:09 | midkay | make it as colorful as you want... it's not as big of a deal as you make it out to be. |
| 03:35:00 | afruff23 | SO far I've only used 5 or 6 colors |
| 03:35:08 | afruff23 | hope it's not too tacky when it's done |
| 03:35:11 | midkay | the number you may use is unlimited.. |
| 03:35:14 | Mikachu | are you designing the wps or we? |
| 03:35:16 | midkay | make it as tacky as you want it to be. |
| 03:35:33 | midkay | aaa-gain, it's your wps, not mine or his or hers or its.. |
| 03:35:40 | scottder | Lots if bright pink and flourecent green |
| 03:35:40 | scottder | :)\ |
| 03:35:48 | afruff23 | I'm jsut wodnerign if you guys would use a WPS with dozens of colors? |
| 03:35:57 | midkay | scottder, and vibrant yellow against blood red.. |
| 03:36:03 | midkay | make my eyes bleed pls!! |
| 03:36:09 | Mikachu | afruff23: as you can see, i'm not the person to ask about that :)) |
| 03:36:11 | midkay | afruff23, i'm just wondering if you would. |
| 03:36:15 | midkay | and if you would, then you should. |
| 03:36:24 | afruff23 | actually I do have bright pink and flourescent green |
| 03:36:33 | afruff23 | bright pink is for transparency |
| 03:36:44 | afruff23 | green is very little spacer |
| 03:36:50 | midkay | nice job. |
| 03:36:58 | afruff23 | it's bright to allow people to see the border since it's one pixel wide |
| 03:37:47 | afruff23 | midkay, was that genuine? |
| 03:37:57 | midkay | afruff23, what? |
| 03:38:01 | midkay | oh. no. |
| 03:38:01 | afruff23 | or do you think I'm hunting for compliments |
| 03:38:05 | afruff23 | lol |
| 03:38:28 | midkay | it was "omg, you're witty, you really did use green and pink, ha"-ish "nice job". :) |
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| 03:40:50 | afruff23 | here's the iamge with green and pink(it's the volume bar) |
| 03:40:51 | afruff23 | http://i2.tinypic.com/t6fbqq.png |
| 03:41:14 | qwm | ok, that was ugly. |
| 03:41:43 | afruff23 | in the center goes repeat and shuffle status |
| 03:41:46 | Mikachu | rb uses the pink=transparent hack, doesn't it? |
| 03:41:47 | afruff23 | the big pink part |
| 03:41:53 | afruff23 | yes |
| 03:42:05 | Mikachu | i may have not read everything there |
| 03:42:07 | afruff23 | taht's why the center is transparetn |
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| 03:43:55 | afruff23 | when volume is set to ( it looks like this: |
| 03:43:56 | afruff23 | http://i2.tinypic.com/t6fejl.png |
| 03:44:04 | afruff23 | remember the center is transparent once again |
| 03:44:13 | afruff23 | set to 9* |
| 03:45:07 | scottder | my eyes!!! |
| 03:45:08 | scottder | :) |
| 03:46:51 | qwm | ugh. |
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| 03:47:11 | afruff23 | qwm, what is neo-cmmutative transparency? |
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| 03:48:28 | afruff23 | qwm, I googled neo-commutative transparency |
| 03:48:33 | afruff23 | I couldn't find anything |
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| 03:49:40 | qwm | i have no fucking clue. |
| 03:49:57 | afruff23 | you said it yourself in a PM |
| 03:50:10 | afruff23 | you know, you could do it better with neo-commutative transparency. |
| 03:50:14 | afruff23 | your words |
| 03:50:25 | qwm | i'm out of my mind. you shouldn't listen to anything i say. |
| 03:51:02 | afruff23 | rockbox only recognizes pink as trasnparecny |
| 03:51:07 | afruff23 | transparency* |
| 03:51:35 | qwm | pink is a nice color. |
| 03:51:42 | qwm | what a shame to make it transparent like that. |
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| 03:52:55 | Huey | hey, has the DATA error been fixed for 5G ipods |
| 03:52:57 | Huey | ? |
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| 04:00:16 | afruff23 | you can jsut slighlty change the RGB value |
| 04:00:20 | afruff23 | and it won't be transparent |
| 04:00:34 | afruff23 | and it's nearly undectable that you used a different shade of pink |
| 04:00:41 | afruff23 | undetectable |
| 04:07:02 | qwm | that would feel wrong. it would be wrong. |
| 04:09:22 | afruff23 | WTF |
| 04:09:24 | afruff23 | lol |
| 04:11:37 | qwm | even many small lies sum up to a big one. |
| 04:12:25 | afruff23 | I'm not a a man I'm a woMAN |
| 04:12:34 | afruff23 | I didn't use 255,0,255 in the WPS |
| 04:12:42 | afruff23 | I used *gasp* 255,1,255 |
| 04:13:03 | afruff23 | I don't pay mty taxes |
| 04:13:05 | afruff23 | my* |
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| 04:13:32 | afruff23 | that should create af ew megatons of lies |
| 04:13:39 | afruff23 | a few* |
| 04:13:57 | qwm | what are you talking about? |
| 04:14:20 | afruff23 | you were saying many small lies make up a big one |
| 04:14:39 | qwm | what did i tell you not too long ago? |
| 04:14:59 | afruff23 | pink is a nice color? |
| 04:15:19 | qwm | yeah, that too. |
| 04:15:20 | afruff23 | I'm outta my mind? |
| 04:15:25 | qwm | are you? |
| 04:15:28 | afruff23 | no you |
| 04:15:28 | qwm | :o |
| 04:15:29 | sharpe | pink *is* a nice color... |
| 04:15:31 | qwm | am i? |
| 04:15:34 | qwm | why is that? |
| 04:15:40 | afruff23 | you said that yourself |
| 04:15:48 | afruff23 | use the scrollbar to see what you said |
| 04:15:54 | qwm | yeah, but why do you think i am. |
| 04:16:06 | afruff23 | or if you have a little scollwhell on your mouse, use that |
| 04:16:16 | afruff23 | because you say nonsense things |
| 04:16:25 | afruff23 | newo-commutative transparency? |
| 04:16:27 | afruff23 | WTF?! |
| 04:16:30 | afruff23 | newo* |
| 04:16:33 | afruff23 | neo* |
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| 04:17:25 | qwm | ok. |
| 04:17:32 | FalloutMan | hey guys, does anyone knwo how to change teh background on a 5g ipod? |
| 04:17:33 | qwm | what did you say.. you're a woman? |
| 04:17:58 | sharpe | color? |
| 04:18:14 | FalloutMan | its a video |
| 04:18:17 | FalloutMan | ipod |
| 04:20:07 | FalloutMan | anyone know? |
| 04:20:18 | FalloutMan | i did check in the manual FTW |
| 04:20:27 | afruff23 | that was a joke qwm... |
| 04:20:44 | qwm | good, i prefer men. |
| 04:20:52 | afruff23 | WTF?! |
| 04:21:00 | afruff23 | you're one wierd guy |
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| 04:21:05 | afruff23 | I hope you're kidding |
| 04:21:21 | afruff23 | and thus you're criticisms of my WPS volume icon is null |
| 04:21:37 | qwm | i didn't really criticize it. and why would i be kidding? |
| 04:21:45 | qwm | you don't like my kind? |
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| 04:41:26 | afruff23 | no, HE LEFT!!! |
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| 04:45:04 | Mikachu | no, HE LEFT!!! |
| 04:45:27 | Mikachu | <- can see the difference between a reconnect and a quit |
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| 04:49:14 | JdGordon | i dont suppose any1 here knows the viewer.c code do they? |
| 04:50:09 | Mikachu | phaedrus961 might |
| 04:50:17 | Mikachu | i may be mixing up my patch writers though |
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| 04:56:31 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5056 if any1 wants to have a look @ the improved viewer plugin :) |
| 04:56:56 | Mikachu | you know there is already a patch for it? |
| 04:57:24 | JdGordon | unless ur thinking of another one.. this is a patch of that patch. |
| 04:57:30 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4873 |
| 04:58:11 | JdGordon | ok, diff patch |
| 04:58:36 | Mikachu | but i think it is quite orthogonal to yours |
| 04:58:56 | JdGordon | ye., i think so |
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| 06:19:59 | aaronfg | is audio broken on the sim with the current CVS? |
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| 06:35:48 | midkay_ | Bagder, you seem rather idle, but maybe you'll manage to catch this and respond.. |
| 06:36:16 | midkay_ | i'm working on a bounce.c update with auto-bounce table generation. i'm having one large problem.. if i try to generate tables with >128 values, they act really screwy. |
| 06:36:38 | midkay_ | they are calculated correctly, but bouncing text looks really weird and garbled. <=128 works fine.. |
| 06:36:56 | midkay_ | i thought it might be a char used somewhere or something.. no, can't find anything. maybe you know why this happens? |
| 06:37:45 | midkay_ | Bagder, actually, maybe it's multiples. |
| 06:37:58 | midkay_ | with 240 values (320x240 LCD) it was all garbled. |
| 06:38:07 | midkay_ | i just for fun tried 256. it's working alright. |
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| 07:12:42 | midkay | B4gder!!?! |
| 07:12:57 | * | B4gder jumps |
| 07:13:07 | B4gder | careful, its early here! ;-) |
| 07:13:28 | midkay | yay. haha. sorry! *uses 6-inch voice* maybe you can help me. did you catch what i wrote about 45 minutes ago? |
| 07:14:03 | B4gder | doing that now |
| 07:14:14 | B4gder | it sounds you don't do right ;-) |
| 07:14:32 | midkay | B4gder, i accidentally discovered it seems to only work on certain multiples.. :) |
| 07:14:47 | B4gder | ok, then it certainly sounds like a bad division/shift |
| 07:15:07 | midkay | it generates fine, i've spent a few hours trying to figure it out. it just seems that the display code is unable to handle most everything except some multiples.. |
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| 07:18:01 | midkay | B4gder, for what it's worth.. 64 works, 127 works, 128 works, 160 works, 256 works, 512 works. i did try 240 and that was not working.. |
| 07:18:14 | midkay | there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern. |
| 07:19:16 | B4gder | if you mail me a patch I think I'll be able to check it out tonight |
| 07:19:25 | midkay | B4gder, the generating patch? |
| 07:19:29 | B4gder | yes |
| 07:19:36 | midkay | how about just the .c file? :) |
| 07:19:41 | B4gder | sure |
| 07:20:04 | midkay | let me just make sure all of my extremely vulgar temporary variables are cleaned out.. :) |
| 07:20:38 | B4gder | ok, you have my permission! ;-) |
| 07:20:57 | midkay | daniel [at at at at aAAAATTTT] haxx (sigh. dot dot dot dottttttt) ess-eeee? |
| 07:20:58 | midkay | :) |
| 07:21:05 | B4gder | yeps |
| 07:21:50 | midkay | sent. |
| 07:21:51 | B4gder | the forums have exploded tonight |
| 07:22:29 | midkay | there's a #define TABLE_SIZE 128 in there, i think.. adjusting that changes the size of the tables and thus how many values are generated.. |
| 07:22:53 | midkay | and in generate_bounce_tables there are #define TABLE_(x/y)_RADIUS which are self-explanatory.. |
| 07:23:10 | midkay | what's up? lots of forum posts? |
| 07:23:20 | B4gder | loooooads |
| 07:23:28 | midkay | wow, plenty in the iPod section.. |
| 07:24:00 | midkay | cool, i guess :) |
| 07:24:08 | B4gder | its cool indeed |
| 07:24:15 | B4gder | hard to keep up with though |
| 07:24:30 | midkay | yeah.. |
| 07:24:53 | midkay | it's like, you respond to them all and an hour later there's another two or three! it's unbelievable.. ;) |
| 07:25:49 | midkay | haha. small-amt-of-wiki-spam-alert.. |
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| 07:38:34 | midkay | alright, bed for me, night all.. B4gder, you better have a look at that or i might have to kill you. ;) i've been stumped by this for days.. you'll probably figure it out in about 20 seconds, but still. :) |
| 07:38:45 | B4gder | :-) |
| 07:38:47 | B4gder | good night! |
| 07:41:18 | B4gder | hey |
| 07:41:22 | B4gder | the build is yellow |
| 07:41:38 | midkay | B4gder, i did notice that after my clock commit, but for some reason it appears completely unrelated.. |
| 07:41:41 | midkay | i have no idea what happened.. |
| 07:41:57 | midkay | nobody touched playback.c or whatever in that commit.. |
| 07:42:03 | B4gder | it is brandon's commit |
| 07:42:20 | midkay | why didn't it show up in the last build before that? |
| 07:42:25 | B4gder | the warning only occurs on amiconn's 64bit host |
| 07:42:34 | B4gder | so it moves around ;-) |
| 07:42:37 | midkay | oh. haha. |
| 07:42:39 | midkay | that's useful. :) |
| 07:42:54 | midkay | like chasing a ghost! |
| 07:42:59 | midkay | only.. not quite. |
| 07:43:00 | B4gder | hehe |
| 07:43:01 | midkay | :) |
| 07:43:27 | midkay | B4gder, btw.. few things to note.. |
| 07:43:37 | midkay | the daily build manuals aren't working, their links are broken.. |
| 07:43:55 | midkay | wait. |
| 07:43:56 | B4gder | not now |
| 07:44:02 | midkay | now they are all of a sudden. |
| 07:44:03 | midkay | what did you do?! :) |
| 07:44:13 | B4gder | there's a small time gap when they don't work |
| 07:44:23 | midkay | oh.. |
| 07:44:28 | B4gder | since they're built on this host and the cgi script that lists them runs on this host |
| 07:44:40 | B4gder | but they are mirrored over to the download host and the links point to the download one |
| 07:45:00 | B4gder | I'll work on minimizing the gap though |
| 07:45:15 | midkay | alright, also i had a suggestion, instead of a seperate page for the manuals that's identical to the daily builds page more or less, i wanted to suggest just adding a "manual" link for each target on daily builds.. "newest", "older", "manual".. |
| 07:45:30 | B4gder | that's a good idea |
| 07:45:35 | B4gder | I'll work on that |
| 07:45:37 | midkay | easier to notice and access.. and saves the seperate page |
| 07:45:59 | B4gder | the site and these scripts is quite a complex system these days |
| 07:46:08 | midkay | damn firefox.. sucks with PDFs.. *ends process* |
| 07:46:16 | midkay | B4gder, i can imagine :) |
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| 07:48:30 | midkay | oh, and a couple other minor, potentially-useless and probably-opinionated things. :) having the CVS build time also displayed in mins.. e.g. "43 builds in 323 seconds (5m 23s) makes 7.5 seconds/build".. |
| 07:49:41 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:49:53 | midkay | morning Bg3r :) |
| 07:51:29 | midkay | oh, and, Bagder, the "commits since 2.5" page is extremely annoying in that it only updates once a day. can we get it to auto-update each cvs commit prettypls? :) |
| 07:51:44 | B4gder | I'll work on that too |
| 07:51:57 | B4gder | now stop talking, I'm getting too much work! ;-) |
| 07:52:16 | midkay | it's not extremely annoying, but there tends to be this period where there are more than 10 commits for a day and thus some earlier ones end up off the recent list but not yet on the 2.5 list. |
| 07:52:18 | midkay | alright alright! :) |
| 07:52:53 | midkay | oh. on the server stats page! "(changelog for this build)" the hyperlink carries over into the ) when it should stop after the "d" in build!!!!!!!! ;) |
| 07:53:01 | midkay | alright.. seriously though. alright. i'm done. |
| 07:53:43 | midkay | i think B4gder deserves a nice round of applause for all his scripts and crap that run all the automated CVS ... builds and.. changelogs and such! *claps* |
| 07:54:58 | B4gder | :-) |
| 07:56:02 | midkay | *clapping fades* sigh, all these losers don't understand.... well, their loss. :) bed *now*. night! :) |
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| 08:07:59 | goffa__ | so... i see there's keymappings in the new firmware |
| 08:08:06 | goffa__ | how do i get to them? |
| 08:10:04 | Bg3r | goffa__ are you talking about doom ? |
| 08:10:30 | goffa__ | 7 Apr 00:17Zakkapps/plugins/SOURCES 1.116 |
| 08:10:38 | goffa__ | apps/plugins/clock.c 1.29 Add button mappings and support for iAudio X5, also simplified a bit of code. |
| 08:12:15 | goffa__ | or is that clock? |
| 08:13:14 | B4gder | that's the clock plugin, yes |
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| 08:26:27 | goffa__ | grr... getting codec failure |
| 08:37:11 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:38:53 | amiconn | Grr, 64bit warnings... |
| 08:39:35 | B4gder | yeps |
| 08:39:42 | B4gder | bouncy bouncy ;-) |
| 08:40:03 | amiconn | Bah, wtf! casting a pointer to int! |
| 08:40:11 | * | amiconn slaps lostlogic |
| 08:40:17 | B4gder | haha |
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| 08:58:24 | macd|dskt | hi, I'm looking for a 3g bootloader... from what I understand 3g isn't officially supported but is under development so there must be a bootloadter somewhere... I'd just like to tinker |
| 08:59:07 | B4gder | you can easily build one yourself |
| 08:59:36 | macd|dskt | ahh... from the sources? |
| 08:59:40 | B4gder | yes |
| 08:59:46 | macd|dskt | excellent... ty ;D |
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| 09:00:05 | B4gder | just follow the normal "how to build" docs |
| 09:00:20 | B4gder | but select bootloader in configure |
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| 09:02:09 | macd|dskt | heh... looks like I better boot to linux... thanks again ;) |
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| 09:06:24 | Bg3r | heh |
| 09:08:10 | amiconn | Hrrrmmm, playback in the sim is completely broken :/ |
| 09:11:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: ye, some1 came in a while ago asking if it was.. |
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| 09:38:44 | JdGordon | woohoo... gmail finnaly added groups for conatcts :) |
| 09:38:51 | LinusN | amiconn: we poll the buttons every tick now? |
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| 09:40:25 | LinusN | lostlogic: there? |
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| 09:44:06 | petur | too early afaik |
| 09:50:12 | amiconn | LinusN: We did so for more than a year now, and iirc it was you who changed that... |
| 09:51:08 | LinusN | ah, silly me, you made it sound like you had changed it |
| 09:52:28 | amiconn | From viewing annotated: 62 : linus 1.56 #define POLL_FREQUENCY HZ/100 |
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| 09:52:30 | amiconn | Thu Sep 23 12:08:48 2004 UTC |
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| 11:14:51 | ep0ch | preglow: comments about crossfeed. It's bloody good and doesn't break, why haven't you commited it? :D |
| 11:16:11 | ashridah | uh. am i missing something? cross-feed's already in rockbox |
| 11:16:26 | petur | *new* crossfeed |
| 11:16:32 | crashd | NEWWWWW! |
| 11:16:38 | ashridah | ah. |
| 11:16:47 | ashridah | in which case, feature freeze would kinda stop it |
| 11:17:03 | markun | Nah, same feature, new implementation |
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| 11:17:56 | ep0ch | old crossfeed has a bug |
| 11:18:06 | ashridah | only one? |
| 11:18:25 | ep0ch | yeah the attenuation bug ;) |
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| 11:19:07 | ashridah | ah, that one |
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| 11:20:45 | ep0ch | preglow: but the distoration you get before you change the cross gain setting is annoying. |
| 11:21:12 | ep0ch | preglow: (i.e. the first time you use the new cross feed) |
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| 11:52:01 | preglow | ep0ch: yeah, i don't know why that's there |
| 11:52:09 | preglow | i thought i gave sensible defaults |
| 11:53:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do the defaults get loaded though? |
| 11:53:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, with EQ there were sensible defaults but it didn't reset the config, so they didn't get loaded. |
| 11:55:00 | ashridah | preglow: yeah, did you bump the config version number? |
| 11:55:03 | preglow | no... |
| 11:55:10 | preglow | i thought it was supposed to get handled nicely anyway |
| 11:56:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | It didn't with the EQ at least. |
| 11:57:45 | preglow | i'm not too known with the settings system |
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| 12:00:30 | muesli__ | mmh..auto-change directory seems to be broken |
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| 12:03:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | In general, or just in Tagcache? |
| 12:03:47 | muesli__ | btw how do i disable tagcache? |
| 12:04:43 | preglow | you don't |
| 12:04:50 | preglow | just use keep it on disk and never update it |
| 12:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can delete the files. |
| 12:05:29 | muesli__ | oki |
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| 12:10:20 | muesli__ | auto-change worx...repeat all was activated for some reasons.. |
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| 12:11:59 | preglow | ok, so if i just add settings at the end of the config block and pretend like nothing's up, the data will be corrupted on load? |
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| 12:39:50 | Jungti1234 | hey hey |
| 12:41:04 | markun | hi Jungti1234 |
| 12:41:48 | amiconn | preglow: The data at the end of the cfg block will be all zero |
| 12:42:15 | preglow | ok, so i should bump the config on commit so no one will break their ears |
| 12:42:28 | Jungti1234 | :'( |
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| 12:42:49 | Jungti1234 | Eye is painful. |
| 12:43:17 | preglow | amiconn: you think we'll go cfg file only for 3.1? |
| 12:44:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:45:11 | preglow | goodie |
| 12:46:50 | linuxstb | I've just been playing with the cpu frequency again, and the freeze doesn't seem to be a complete freeze - I've noticed that after the screen freezes, audio keeps playing for a couple of seconds. So the FIQ is still working and seems to empty the PCM buffer. |
| 12:47:09 | marevalo | hi |
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| 12:48:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: How's the udelay implemented? |
| 12:48:16 | marevalo | I'm researching the different plugins for the right way to implement menus and other things on ChessBox |
| 12:48:25 | amiconn | Maybe a frequency change resets the microsecond timer on pp5020? |
| 12:48:35 | marevalo | but it seems that every plugin writer has his own ideas about that |
| 12:48:51 | amiconn | Try adding a delay loop instead of udelay... |
| 12:49:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: It's implemented in system.h |
| 12:49:31 | marevalo | for example jewels is now quite less usable than before |
| 12:50:00 | preglow | marevalo: using the menu functions in the plugin api would be the best |
| 12:50:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm currently testing code that re-initialises the ticker interrupt on every cpu frequency change. It hasn't crashed so far... |
| 12:50:18 | marevalo | would it be some interest on a Plugin Interface Guidelines ? |
| 12:50:26 | preglow | marevalo: sure |
| 12:50:48 | marevalo | I have used extensibly the one from GNOME and found it quite useful |
| 12:51:03 | marevalo | of course it would be quite smaller than that |
| 12:52:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does udelay use the tick? I thought it polls the usec timer, as several other loops do |
| 12:52:21 | amiconn | (e.g. in lcd-ipod.c) |
| 12:52:26 | linuxstb | No, it doesn't use the tick. |
| 12:52:26 | marevalo | well, I will take the job and try to write a basic one this weekend based on my research these days with the other plugins |
| 12:52:38 | amiconn | Completely reiniting the tick is undesirable |
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| 12:52:53 | marevalo | will publish it on the wiki and ask for feedback |
| 12:53:24 | preglow | marevalo: not all the other plugins use practices we want, but sure, go ahead |
| 12:53:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't think udelay() is the problem - it seems that sometimes the ticker interrupt is being reset. My test seems to be working. |
| 12:54:11 | preglow | amiconn: if we save av write back TIMER1_VAL, it should work |
| 12:54:17 | preglow | amiconn: assuming it's even possible... |
| 12:54:22 | preglow | s/av/and/ |
| 12:54:41 | marevalo | preglow: I think the problem is that there is no "official" way to do some things and so people try to solve that problems in a different way every time |
| 12:55:11 | preglow | marevalo: yeah, but like with the menus, a lot of people don't want to use the plugin api menus because they're ugly and use the whole screen |
| 12:55:22 | preglow | marevalo: but they should anyway, they won't always be ugly |
| 12:55:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Maybe only the interrupt gets disabled? |
| 12:55:36 | linuxstb | marevalo: The "official" way is to use the built-in menus. I think there is agreement amongst the devs that they should be migrated to the standard menus. |
| 12:55:57 | marevalo | preglow: yep, I asume that the playback menu will also get prettier and more usable |
| 12:56:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, although there is a quirk that needs fixing |
| 12:56:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: Maybe. I'm doing more tests. |
| 12:56:24 | preglow | i don't get why the interrupt should sometimes be disabled |
| 12:56:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you talking about voice, or something else? |
| 12:56:29 | amiconn | Built-in menus try to use voice, and that freezes rockbox if the plugin uses iram |
| 12:56:44 | preglow | ghaargh |
| 12:56:46 | amiconn | We need to disable voice for plugins. |
| 12:56:54 | marevalo | preglow: ok, then I will write a basic usability guide and try to get some feedback |
| 12:57:00 | linuxstb | preglow: Nope. The PP is a mystery wrapped an enigma etc etc |
| 12:57:02 | preglow | i'm starting to think this thing with a separate iramless voice codec might be clever |
| 12:57:25 | marevalo | well, I think that these are bugs (menu voice and appearence) and should be fixed there not in the plugins then |
| 12:58:32 | preglow | man, it's fun to develop remotely with gcc! |
| 12:58:33 | amiconn | marevalo: Yes. Since plugins can't use voice right now anyway, we can disable voice in the plugin loader |
| 12:58:35 | * | preglow kicks the gcc people |
| 12:58:52 | preglow | amiconn: tsr plugins |
| 12:59:32 | amiconn | tsr plugin will never use voice, and they must not use iram |
| 12:59:38 | marevalo | ok, so I will try to stick to default menus and the rest of the plugin.h services on the draft guide |
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| 13:00:31 | marevalo | so, seeya and thanks for the feedback |
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| 13:07:28 | linuxstb | Just adding the line "CPU_INT_EN |= TIMER1_MASK;" to the end of set_cpu_frequency() seems (fingers crossed) to fix it. This is with the original udelay(2000). |
| 13:08:32 | preglow | i don't get it... |
| 13:08:43 | preglow | why only the timer int? |
| 13:12:52 | Jungti1234 | who have H300? |
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| 13:13:25 | petur | me |
| 13:13:32 | preglow | linuxstb: try hard to trigger a button interrupt around the freq change too |
| 13:13:40 | Jungti1234 | ok, petur |
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| 13:14:17 | Jungti1234 | petur, I need your help a little. |
| 13:15:02 | petur | yes? |
| 13:15:14 | MarcoPolo | I had a problem with cvs from yesterday (and maybe before) : rockbox puts in cache only one track |
| 13:16:12 | linuxstb | MarcoPolo: I don't think it's just one track. I've been testing FLAC playback, and it only seems to be buffering around 1MB of data. |
| 13:16:23 | MarcoPolo | linuxstb: ok |
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| 13:16:47 | MarcoPolo | linuxstb: but I have this with mp3 playback |
| 13:16:51 | preglow | don't expect playback to work |
| 13:16:53 | linuxstb | Have you been looking at the audio debug screen? |
| 13:16:57 | preglow | it's undergoing heavy development |
| 13:17:03 | preglow | someone should post on the ml about it |
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| 13:17:12 | MarcoPolo | linuxstb: yes I have been looking at this screen |
| 13:17:13 | Jungti1234 | petur? |
| 13:17:19 | petur | yes? |
| 13:17:24 | MarcoPolo | linuxstb: that's the reason of my question |
| 13:17:26 | MarcoPolo | :) |
| 13:17:36 | MarcoPolo | well, i'm gonna lunch, brb |
| 13:17:47 | Jungti1234 | petur: Didn't you receive private message? |
| 13:17:48 | * | MarcoPolo is away: lunch |
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| 13:17:59 | petur | yes, sorry |
| 13:23:43 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I can't break the button interrupt. |
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| 13:26:24 | preglow | hrmph |
| 13:28:10 | linuxstb | Does the button interrupt get re-enabled outside the interrupt handler? |
| 13:28:28 | preglow | don't think so |
| 13:29:01 | preglow | if it does, it's very unintentional |
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| 13:31:26 | linuxstb | Also, should I be doing CPU_INT_EN |= TIMER1_MASK ? - I noticed the other places (including enabling both the button interrupt TIMER2) just do CPU_INT_EN = MASK. |
| 13:32:24 | preglow | you might as well just do a move |
| 13:32:38 | preglow | the register latches all changes to some kind of internal register |
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| 13:32:58 | preglow | at least that's my understanding of it |
| 13:33:16 | preglow | i think it's pretty common practice, to avoid changes to the mask register betwen read and write |
| 13:33:21 | Jungti1234 | Isn't there a person who know H300 LCD? |
| 13:33:28 | preglow | Jungti1234: not may |
| 13:33:34 | linuxstb | OK. Any reason why I shouldn't commit it? It seems to be working well now. |
| 13:33:47 | Jungti1234 | preglow: what's mean? |
| 13:33:48 | preglow | your call |
| 13:33:55 | preglow | Jungti1234: not many, i mean |
| 13:34:06 | linuxstb | I've #ifdef'ed my change for the 4g, 4g color and first gen mini. |
| 13:34:10 | Jungti1234 | ah... um..... |
| 13:34:23 | Jungti1234 | Information is lacking..... |
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| 13:34:30 | linuxstb | OK, I'll test for a little more, and then commit if there are no problems. |
| 13:34:38 | preglow | linuxstb: surround it by /* WTF ??? WTF ??? WTF ??? WTF ??? */ or something |
| 13:34:48 | preglow | haha |
| 13:34:54 | preglow | to make it clear i don't get it |
| 13:35:20 | linuxstb | I haven't gone that far, but I've explained we have no idea why it's needed. |
| 13:35:25 | preglow | great |
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| 13:35:46 | linuxstb | We should add that disclaimer for most of the ipod code... |
| 13:35:50 | preglow | haha |
| 13:36:06 | Moos | MarcoPolo: known playback bug http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback |
| 13:36:06 | preglow | but didn't you mention your ipod tossing prefetch aborts and everything when doing freq changes at a point? |
| 13:36:47 | linuxstb | Yes - I can't replicate those prefetch aborts now though. |
| 13:38:25 | preglow | beh |
| 13:38:33 | preglow | arghghgh |
| 13:38:40 | preglow | coldfire only supports index scaling by up to 4 |
| 13:42:04 | markun | preglow: did you also make a arm version? |
| 13:43:24 | linuxstb | Mmm.... Just got a data about inside the dbg_cpufreq() function. |
| 13:43:29 | linuxstb | s/about/abort/ |
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| 13:44:28 | preglow | linuxstb: no, not yet |
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| 13:45:24 | linuxstb | markun: Any gigabeat progress to report? |
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| 13:47:12 | preglow | argh, seems i've gotta go now |
| 13:47:18 | preglow | crossfeed will have to wait until after weekend |
| 13:47:38 | markun | linuxstb: no, I've been too busy with studying |
| 13:47:41 | MarcoPolo|AFK | Moos: i only got this problem this week, never before. |
| 13:48:07 | markun | linuxstb: but I found out to which pins some of the components are connected. I'll update the wiki soon. |
| 13:48:07 | Moos | yep, last lostlogic's reworks |
| 13:48:13 | MarcoPolo|AFK | Moos: ok |
| 13:52:23 | preglow | but ok, gotta go |
| 13:52:26 | preglow | see you later |
| 13:52:39 | Moos | have fun |
| 13:52:49 | linuxstb | bye |
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| 13:54:31 | ep0ch | cya |
| 13:54:47 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 14:10:49 | B4gder | icc is one picky compiler |
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| 14:18:38 | crashd | hmm |
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| 14:18:52 | crashd | has the buffer size for audio been increased? takes forever to start files over about 8mb |
| 14:18:56 | crashd | like mixes or long tracked lp's |
| 14:19:34 | linuxstb | No, but the playback code is in an unstable state at the moment. |
| 14:19:47 | crashd | yeah, i noticed all the commits re: playback |
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| 14:19:57 | crashd | just making sure lostlogic is aware of the pain he's causing me ;) |
| 14:20:20 | B4gder | hey |
| 14:20:35 | B4gder | we should all show respect and gratitude |
| 14:20:44 | crashd | i'm only joking, of course |
| 14:20:50 | crashd | i have all the respect in the world for the rockbox devs |
| 14:20:56 | B4gder | its a hairy area to hack in |
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| 14:21:27 | b00st4 | mikachu, ur there? |
| 14:21:32 | b00st4 | or obo |
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| 14:28:15 | Mikachu | yes |
| 14:28:23 | b00st4 | hi |
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| 14:29:12 | b00st4 | u reported on flyspray, that u fixed the problem, ipod_unplug.patch has |
| 14:29:26 | Mikachu | yes, that was a few days ago |
| 14:30:07 | b00st4 | but actually i cant find ev.id=... and ev.data=... in any file...did i mismatch something? |
| 14:30:30 | muesli__ | natives.. Being part of it gives me an amazing opportunity to experience by skin this process. makes that sense? |
| 14:30:36 | Mikachu | well, you would have to apply the patch first |
| 14:30:43 | Mikachu | muesli__: no |
| 14:30:46 | b00st4 | did that |
| 14:30:52 | muesli__ | mk..i knew it ;-) |
| 14:30:58 | b00st4 | get an error while compilin |
| 14:31:06 | Mikachu | too bad |
| 14:31:37 | b00st4 | after applying? |
| 14:32:22 | linuxstb | muesli__: s/experience by skin/personally experience/ makes more sense. |
| 14:32:39 | muesli__ | :-) cheers |
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| 14:38:59 | b00st4 | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5212/pause3nb.jpg |
| 14:39:06 | b00st4 | this is the error i recieve |
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| 14:39:48 | lostlogic | *yawn* |
| 14:40:22 | lostlogic | anyone know why in particular Linus was looking for me at 2:40am my time? :-P |
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| 14:40:51 | B4gder | Linus works in mysterious ways ;-) |
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| 14:49:36 | ep0ch | lostlogic: you in the USA? |
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| 14:56:53 | thegeek | are there any problems with the current h120 build? |
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| 14:57:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know for sure, but I think the playback issues are still there |
| 14:57:58 | thegeek | hmm |
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| 14:58:04 | thegeek | playback issues? |
| 14:58:14 | thegeek | how far back would I have to go in order to get an ok build? |
| 14:58:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno, 3, 4 days maybe?] |
| 14:58:32 | thegeek | ok:) |
| 14:58:34 | thegeek | thanks |
| 14:58:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or just wait for 3.0 |
| 14:59:19 | thegeek | going on vacation today;) |
| 14:59:35 | linuxstb | thegeek: Checking the CVS logs for playback.c, lostlogic started his work on 5 April at 04.27. So the 4 April daily build should be OK. |
| 14:59:58 | thegeek | thanks:) |
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| 15:00:11 | linuxstb | Please let us know if it's reliable - it would be useful to tell others. |
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| 15:01:44 | thegeek | if I get a chance to drop by I will:) |
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| 15:07:08 | lostlogic | ep0ch: yes, brb |
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| 15:20:56 | t0mas | hmm... |
| 15:21:03 | t0mas | we have a problem with calculating times in long files |
| 15:21:09 | t0mas | a little rounding error somewhere? |
| 15:21:48 | t0mas | skipping from 10:26:00 to 10:24:00 takes you to 10:25:21 |
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| 15:21:53 | t0mas | (hh:mm:ss that is) |
| 15:22:14 | t0mas | and with takes you to I mean the timer display also jumps to that time |
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| 15:22:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is the file vbr? |
| 15:23:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically a vbr mp3? |
| 15:23:47 | austriancoder | whats the difference between recording volume and recoring gain? |
| 15:24:24 | t0mas | Paul_The_Nerd: no |
| 15:24:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | t0mas: What format is it, out of curiosity? |
| 15:24:52 | t0mas | 64 kbps 44100 khz |
| 15:24:53 | goffa | ugh.. last couple of bleeding edge builds have been real unstable |
| 15:24:54 | t0mas | standard mp3 |
| 15:25:00 | goffa | guess that's why its bleeding edge |
| 15:25:13 | goffa | i'll have to get yesterday's daily so i can be stable again |
| 15:25:16 | t0mas | goffa: that's because Slasheri is rebuilding some playback code |
| 15:25:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic is rebuilding the playback code. |
| 15:25:34 | goffa | yeah |
| 15:25:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri's working on tagcache. |
| 15:25:44 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 15:25:48 | t0mas | my bad |
| 15:25:51 | t0mas | didn't read all mail |
| 15:26:00 | goffa | guess that's why its not called stable :) |
| 15:26:06 | goffa | i should probably get on the mailing list |
| 15:26:24 | goffa | i lurk in here a lot.. and follow the forums to some degree |
| 15:27:15 | lostlogic | The latest bleeding edge seems to work well enough to be useable, although there are plenty of known issues (detailed at the top of SoftwareCodecPlayback wiki page) |
| 15:27:46 | lostlogic | is doom on ipod broken for all people, or just for me? (brown lines, can't esc) |
| 15:28:14 | Mikachu | lostlogic: removed the .dfg file |
| 15:28:14 | linuxstb | You need to delete the .dfg file in /games/doom/ - I had the same problem. |
| 15:28:16 | goffa | i just have to wait until 11 am to have tunes again |
| 15:28:22 | goffa | 7:30 now |
| 15:28:28 | goffa | dunno if i can make it... lol |
| 15:28:40 | lostlogic | thanks |
| 15:28:44 | lostlogic | goffa: why waiting? |
| 15:28:53 | lostlogic | Mikachu: linuxstb: thanks |
| 15:29:11 | goffa | don't have my usb cable here at work |
| 15:29:34 | goffa | i've reset and don't get audio now |
| 15:29:52 | goffa | this happened last night too and i switched to daily things worked fine |
| 15:30:04 | lostlogic | goffa: try starting a new playlist, not resuming (if you are currently resuming) there've been problems with resuming mid-song |
| 15:30:16 | goffa | so this morning i switched to bleeding edge.. i had audio |
| 15:30:20 | goffa | ok.. i'll give it a shot |
| 15:31:37 | goffa | cool... that worked.. .thanks |
| 15:31:52 | goffa | now i won't get the shakes from withdrawl ;) |
| 15:32:27 | ep0ch | lostlogic: i think your last commit made starting playback very difficult (atleast for me) |
| 15:33:49 | lostlogic | ep0ch: :( gotta get to work right now, but I'll be working on it more once I get there. |
| 15:34:14 | ep0ch | no worries, have a good day :) |
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| 15:35:36 | souki | hello all |
| 15:35:49 | amiconn | lostlogic: Playback on the sims is currently broken, maybe that'll give some hints? |
| 15:36:11 | amiconn | Trying to start a track brings up the wps, but nothing is played and the time stays at 0:00 |
| 15:36:23 | amiconn | Tried both ogg and mp3 |
| 15:37:11 | goffa | i had that trouble too ami |
| 15:37:16 | goffa | reset |
| 15:37:20 | goffa | then load a new playlist |
| 15:37:22 | souki | I've tested the rockbox-iaudiox5-20060407.zip firmware, it doesn't play may mp3 anymore, previous version 20060404 does - any idea ? |
| 15:37:24 | goffa | that helped me |
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| 15:38:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | souki: A lot of work is being done on playback code right now. Some things have to be broken on the way to making them work even better, and unfortunately that seems to have happened to playback for the moment. I would recommend sticking with one that works until 3.0 is released. |
| 15:39:08 | souki | Paul_The_Nerd: should I report a bug ? |
| 15:39:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | souki: In this case, no. This is well known.:) |
| 15:39:54 | souki | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks, see you |
| 15:40:17 | goffa | souki: you might want to switch to yesterday's daily |
| 15:40:40 | souki | goffa: ok |
| 15:40:45 | goffa | lostlogics tip helped me though |
| 15:40:54 | goffa | about loading a new playlist |
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| 15:42:44 | Triple-z | can i change the next song on shuffle mode with out changin the one that is currectly played? |
| 15:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can insert or queue next a song, so that it becomes the next one played. |
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| 15:52:22 | Triple-z | no i mean random next song |
| 15:53:21 | goffa | not sure what you mean Triple-z |
| 15:53:37 | goffa | oh wait |
| 15:53:51 | goffa | you mean like have the player randomly pick the next song? |
| 15:54:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | But isn't that what shuffle mode *is*? |
| 15:54:18 | lostlogic | amiconn: that is interesting −− I definitely have some kind of race condition in the playback startup currently then. |
| 15:54:34 | lostlogic | back in 30 |
| 15:54:50 | goffa | i'd just hit next after the current playing song gets over |
| 15:55:01 | goffa | that should give you another random track |
| 15:55:25 | goffa | otherwise go into playlist view and select one further down the list |
| 15:58:57 | Triple-z | yeah i know shuffle is not set for you to pick the next song |
| 15:59:22 | Triple-z | but i want to be able to choose the next random song i will hear |
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| 16:00:15 | Mikachu | then it wouldn't be very random? |
| 16:00:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Saying "Choose the next random" is an oxymoron |
| 16:00:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you want the next song to be random (put it in shuffle mode) or do you wish to select a song? |
| 16:01:28 | Mikachu | if you want random playback but still control over songs, turn off shuffle and do a reshuffle of the playlist |
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| 16:01:31 | Mikachu | or enable shuffle repeat |
| 16:01:51 | Triple-z | i want to be able to press next for the player to pick other random song while a song is playin |
| 16:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Triple-z: If you have shuffle enabled, the next song IS random |
| 16:02:24 | Triple-z | i got that |
| 16:02:32 | goffa | if you don't like that track, reshufle after current song |
| 16:02:46 | goffa | unless you want to pick a specific song, then you can queue that |
| 16:03:26 | Triple-z | instead of pressin next every time i got one i dont want i wanna be able to change the next one while playin |
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| 16:04:01 | Mikachu | then you don't want shuffle mode |
| 16:04:07 | Mikachu | do what i said before |
| 16:04:54 | Triple-z | hmm |
| 16:05:09 | Triple-z | ok ill try thanks |
| 16:05:53 | linuxstb | Triple-z: I think I know what you mean - you are listening to music in shuffle mode, you see that the next track isn't one you want to listen to, so you want to change it before it starts to play? |
| 16:06:07 | goffa | i assume that's what he wants |
| 16:06:22 | goffa | but i don't see that being implemented |
| 16:06:24 | Triple-z | yeah |
| 16:06:30 | Mikachu | if you reshuffle and turn off shuffle, the songs will be in random order but still under control |
| 16:06:36 | Mikachu | that's how i listen on my computer |
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| 16:12:57 | Triple-z | ok thanks, but i still want it to choose random song everytime |
| 16:13:14 | Mikachu | it's not more random in shuffle mode than a pre-shuffled playlist |
| 16:13:47 | Triple-z | any news with the random-album playin? :P |
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| 16:23:20 | ashridah | Triple-z: we're in feature freeze. if it happens, it'll be a patch for a while. |
| 16:24:53 | Triple-z | ok np, you doing a great work ;] |
| 16:25:49 | ashridah | you posted it as a feature request didn't you? |
| 16:26:10 | Triple-z | it was there already |
| 16:26:14 | ashridah | ah |
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| 16:36:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you test whether timer2 keeps working across cpu frequency changes? |
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| 16:37:54 | linuxstb | I thought about that, but couldn't think of a way to test it. Does the battery_bench plugin use timer2? |
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| 16:38:41 | linuxstb | To answer my own question, I can't see that it does... |
| 16:39:42 | amiconn | Nope. Backlight fading does, if it's enabled for 4g colour... |
| 16:40:03 | linuxstb | No, the 4g's backlight has it's own hardware fade. |
| 16:40:18 | linuxstb | its |
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| 16:40:26 | amiconn | Afaik all ipods have a short fade-out |
| 16:40:35 | amiconn | (half a second or so) |
| 16:40:51 | amiconn | pwm fading still works on top of that |
| 16:41:09 | Mikachu | the nano backlight is instant without pwm |
| 16:41:13 | amiconn | But I saw mentioning of some hardware brightness setting for 4g in the ipl sources |
| 16:42:06 | amiconn | Mikachu: Backlight'on is instant on mini 2g as well. Backlight off has that mentioned short fade out. There is no hw brightness setting |
| 16:42:20 | amiconn | Still, software pwm works like a charm on mini 2g |
| 16:42:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: metronome... |
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| 16:44:03 | linuxstb | OK, I'll try it (for the first time...) |
| 16:52:43 | linuxstb | metronome works, but I don't think I can make it change CPU frequency at the same time - it stops audio playback. |
| 16:53:54 | linuxstb | I think the easiest test would be for a 4g grayscale owner to try one of grayscale demos when audio is playing. |
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| 17:02:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: The grayscale lib is not ported yet... |
| 17:02:20 | amiconn | I'm working on it |
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| 17:03:44 | amiconn | You could add some random rb->cpu_boost(true) and rb->cpu_boost(false) calls to metronome |
| 17:04:03 | amiconn | (somewhere in the button processing loop) |
| 17:04:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: I keep forgetting that :) |
| 17:05:53 | linuxstb | I'll probably just write a simple test plugin tonight that uses the user timer to increment a variable, and has a main loop that displays it. |
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| 17:12:33 | lostlogic | amiconn: as we kinda talked about, initial buffering should be handled through the same path as later buffering, so I'm making swcodec do that, and removing a possible race (that I don't think is the cause of current problems, bug _could_ be in the process. |
| 17:15:45 | lostlogic | why do all of the bmps, rocks, and fnts get new timestamps on every build even if they aren't changed at all? |
| 17:17:10 | linuxstb | Are you talking about the builds on rockbox.org, or your own builds? |
| 17:17:15 | lostlogic | my own |
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| 17:17:34 | lostlogic | if I just do a "make && make zip" the resulting zip thinks every file is updated |
| 17:17:53 | linuxstb | I think the files are all copied into a temporary .rockbox folder before zip is run on it. |
| 17:18:03 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:18:05 | lostlogic | that would do it. |
| 17:18:16 | lostlogic | wonder if we can copy without changing timestamps |
| 17:18:18 | amiconn | That's how 'make zip' works, and I like that |
| 17:18:23 | linuxstb | "cp -p" would preserve the timestamps |
| 17:18:36 | amiconn | This way I know which files were installed by the latest build |
| 17:18:48 | amiconn | Handy for cleanup actions |
| 17:18:54 | linuxstb | I agree. |
| 17:18:57 | lostlogic | oh :( |
| 17:19:05 | lostlogic | I'll just change it locally then. |
| 17:19:14 | lostlogic | because I want to be able to unzip a new build and only update changed files. |
| 17:19:27 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 17:19:37 | linuxstb | That could be useful though.... |
| 17:19:37 | amiconn | An option would be nice, in fact |
| 17:19:45 | lostlogic | whoops, now playback from an offset owrks, but _not_ playback starting from a new playlist (until you skip tracks) |
| 17:19:53 | amiconn | It would make updating the Ondio *way* faster |
| 17:20:06 | amiconn | (usb 1.1 you know) |
| 17:20:09 | linuxstb | Yes, and the Nanos. |
| 17:20:16 | lostlogic | yah |
| 17:20:18 | linuxstb | (using the emergency disk mode) |
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| 17:20:33 | amiconn | I wonder why that's so screwed |
| 17:20:39 | amiconn | (nano disk mode) |
| 17:20:52 | amiconn | mini 2g disk mode is as fast as it can get |
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| 17:21:08 | linuxstb | Yes, same on both my 4g and 5g. |
| 17:21:18 | amiconn | Just a little bit slower tha iriver usb mode, due to the way smaller drove |
| 17:21:21 | amiconn | *drive |
| 17:24:03 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Testing with a build from a few hours ago, the audio buffer never filled with more than about 1MB of my flac files. Is that a known problem? |
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| 17:25:20 | lostlogic | sorta... what device? I think it 'should' have been 10, not 1, but regardless, it will be fixed shortly :) |
| 17:25:43 | linuxstb | A 4g. |
| 17:26:07 | amiconn | lostlogic: Why doesn't it use the whole buffer? |
| 17:26:31 | linuxstb | OK. I'm hoping to do another runtime test tonight now that cpu frequency changing appears to be working. |
| 17:26:41 | amiconn | The hwcodec engine does the following at playback start, or after an underrun: |
| 17:27:13 | amiconn | It starts buffering, and if the 'start playing' level is reached, it starts playing. It continues buffering until the buffer is full |
| 17:27:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: on an initial buffer, it deliberately doesn't fill the whole buffer in case the user is going to skip or something... |
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| 17:27:32 | Febs | There's a patch on the patchtracker that would modify the backlight configuration options to include a mode to add two options, so that the NAVI/select button would enable the backlight, but other keypresses would enage their regular functions: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5047 |
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| 17:27:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: it will be easy to fill the buffer all the way instead now, but that was a deliberate feature of the old design so I'm not going to change it just yet. |
| 17:27:49 | Febs | Is the patch something that would be precluded by the feature freeze? |
| 17:27:50 | amiconn | lostlogic: That's a feature I never really understood. |
| 17:28:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: nod, we can remove it... once things work properly ;) |
| 17:28:05 | * | linuxstb is with amiconn |
| 17:28:08 | amiconn | When I start playing a track, why would I skip shortly afterwards? |
| 17:28:23 | linuxstb | I remember someone suggesting it on the mailing list, and Slasheri liked the idea so implemented it. |
| 17:28:27 | amiconn | ...and if I do, buffering will likely not have ended yet |
| 17:28:35 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 17:28:39 | linuxstb | exactly. |
| 17:28:52 | amiconn | But if we keep it, first-time buffering really is special.... |
| 17:29:03 | Febs | I did a quick poll at Mistic River that indicates that type of backlight functionality would be preferred over both of the existing backlight options: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=39885 |
| 17:29:23 | lostlogic | amiconn: after my next commit, you'll see that it's easy to choose if it's special in that one small way or not. |
| 17:29:50 | amiconn | okay |
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| 17:30:10 | amiconn | That'll be handy for playback engine unification later |
| 17:30:25 | amiconn | On archos, partial filling makes no sense, with only 2MB... |
| 17:30:26 | lostlogic | w00t! I'm finally winning the LOC battle by a significant amount. Last time I checked I was at -12, but now I'm at -68! |
| 17:30:57 | lostlogic | (refactoring goal: reduce lines of code as much as possible while maintaining full function and without obfuscating) |
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| 17:37:11 | MarcoPolo | my playback is completly broken now with last cvs |
| 17:38:25 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: do you plan to update something before tomorrow ? |
| 17:38:52 | Mindship-03 | Is something like this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3039 already included in the source? |
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| 17:40:55 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: in the next hour or two. |
| 17:41:37 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: yeah ! (i'm leaving my computer for two weeks so I want to have a working rockbox ;-)) |
| 17:43:06 | MarcoPolo | bbl |
| 17:43:09 | MarcoPolo | bbl |
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| 18:18:23 | lostlogic | anyone want to (gasp) test changes to buildzip.pl to allow for optional passing -p to preserve mtimes? and wpsbuild.pl |
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| 18:19:42 | lostlogic | http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/buildzip_preserve_mtime.patch <−− doesn't activate the feature, but needs testing with it off to amke sure I didn't break any cases of building zips normally, add -p to the buildzip.pl line in Makefile to test with preserving mtimes. |
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| 18:28:54 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe you're right and retailos does adjust the lcd controller delays. |
| 18:29:06 | amiconn | Is it known whether retailos changes cpu speed? |
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| 18:29:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Which ipods are not yet covered by rockbox devs? Afaik 1g, 2g, 3g, and mini 1g |
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| 18:31:23 | linuxstb_ | Yes, those plus the 4g grayscale, and one of the two types of 4g Color LCDs. |
| 18:31:43 | linuxstb_ | We only have the Nano, 5g, 4g Color and your mini 2g. |
| 18:31:47 | lostlogic | new playback.c committed, behavior is _much_ better for me. |
| 18:32:29 | linuxstb_ | And yes - retailos uses quite fine-grained CPU frequency changing. There was a hack (only working on older ipods) to display the current CPU frequency in the status bar in retailos. |
| 18:32:47 | amiconn | ah |
| 18:33:01 | linuxstb_ | You had to create a text file on the hard disk with a certain filename to enable it. |
| 18:33:14 | linuxstb_ | (or edit an existing file) |
| 18:34:23 | amiconn | The 4g grayscale components are very similar to the 4g color and/or the mini 2g that I count it as 'covered'. |
| 18:35:13 | amiconn | Also, we know for sure that rockbox works on these and plays music |
| 18:35:31 | linuxstb_ | Yes - same with the other type of 4g colour LCD. |
| 18:36:26 | amiconn | The mini 1g button driver is a bit different |
| 18:36:55 | amiconn | audiocodec is the same as mini 2g, lcd too, lcd controller is similar to 4g |
| 18:38:10 | amiconn | In fact, the difference between the 2 color lcd types (I'd rather say lcd controller type) and the difference between the mini 1g and mini 2g lcd controller is very similar |
| 18:38:31 | amiconn | One of each pair uses a 16bit i/f, the other uses 8bit |
| 18:39:12 | amiconn | Now, if we could find the lcd code in a retailos disassembly... |
| 18:39:35 | lostlogic | amiconn: you check out my buildzip patch? Makes an unzip -uo only extract viewers.config, wps.cfg files and .cp files each time (plus anything modified) |
| 18:40:13 | amiconn | Will do so later |
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| 18:41:35 | amiconn | lostlogic: You caused a 64bit warning again ... |
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| 18:42:03 | lostlogic | amiconn: line? |
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| 18:42:53 | amiconn | Say after me: "A pointer must not be casted to an int, it has to be casted to a long." ;-) |
| 18:43:13 | lostlogic | ah, whoops |
| 18:43:37 | lostlogic | so lines 1877 and 1891? |
| 18:43:41 | amiconn | yup |
| 18:44:03 | lostlogic | lines 1870 and 1869 don't cause a problem? |
| 18:44:09 | lostlogic | I guess (bool) acts differently |
| 18:44:46 | amiconn | no, they don't |
| 18:44:55 | austriancoder | can anybody tells me whats the difference between recording gain and recorsing volume? I want to look in recording for x5 |
| 18:46:00 | XavierGr | the volume in the record screen manages how loud the recording will sound while you monitor |
| 18:46:11 | XavierGr | It doens't affect the recording. |
| 18:46:19 | amiconn | lostlogic: Just check the build table for warnings only occuring for few swcodec sims, then check which box built these sims. I bet it'll be amiconn.dyndns.org ... (running debian-amd64) |
| 18:46:36 | XavierGr | gain affects how loud the source will be recorded |
| 18:46:57 | austriancoder | XavierGr: ahh.. thanks for this informations :) |
| 18:46:58 | goffa | hope that playback.c update helps.. guess i'll find out in about 20 mins or so |
| 18:47:12 | amiconn | austriancoder: recording gain is before the adc, recording volume is after the dac, just as for playback |
| 18:47:52 | austriancoder | amiconn: thanks |
| 18:48:31 | austriancoder | what min hardware should a cvs build server have? |
| 18:48:43 | amiconn | I'd say pretty current |
| 18:49:21 | lostlogic | amiconn: nod |
| 18:49:26 | amiconn | P4/Xeon >= 2.5 GHz, or Athlon XP/64/Opteron of similar specs |
| 18:49:54 | lostlogic | goffa: see the wiki page on the subject for what bugs I believe it fixes |
| 18:49:58 | austriancoder | ok.. i only have an AMD 949.71Mhz.. with a 2Mbit connection |
| 18:50:06 | linuxstb_ | To give you an idea, I think most of the servers can build a large (i.e. swcodec) build in around 1 minute (or less). |
| 18:50:21 | lostlogic | seek -> stuck paused is my next victim |
| 18:50:47 | amiconn | austriancoder: Not sure what our slowest build server is specced, I can only tell my specs |
| 18:51:36 | austriancoder | amiconn: hmmm.. if you think i can help with my server, then i am willing to setup |
| 18:51:37 | amiconn | Athlon64 3700+, 1GB RAM, 2x160GB SATA RAID1 (software raid) |
| 18:52:24 | amiconn | Disk space requirements aren't high, but the disk should be sufficiently fast |
| 18:52:31 | ep0ch | lostlogic: playback is loads better now, but i think there is an issue when changing codecs? i was playing Vorbis, but have difficulty switching to play mp3 |
| 18:53:00 | ep0ch | good stuff, but gotta go now |
| 18:53:33 | austriancoder | amiconn: i think i wont setup such a server... i think it wouldn't help that much |
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| 18:54:37 | amiconn | How fast is a swcodec build on your box? |
| 18:55:27 | austriancoder | amiconn: i must test it... i only know it on my laptop |
| 18:56:56 | amiconn | For comparison: My box needs ~60 sec for a fresh ipod mini 2g build |
| 18:57:28 | amiconn | The distributed build system uses ccache to speed things up, so the build stats may give you a wrong impression |
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| 19:06:06 | pussfeller | if i port some of the nicer looking themes down to the unpatched ipod color daily builds funtionality, will they end up in the build |
| 19:06:26 | pussfeller | cause, the themes that come with it are kinda , uh... |
| 19:06:48 | pussfeller | not the best representation of what rockbox can do |
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| 19:07:32 | crashd | i do agree that for each target there should be one WPS in the builds that are clean, functional and not hideous to look at |
| 19:07:46 | crashd | however, there are more pressing matters, as im sure you'll get told ;) |
| 19:07:55 | pussfeller | heh yeah I am sure |
| 19:08:01 | crashd | pussfeller: even if it doesnt get put in builds, you can always put it on the WPS Gallery |
| 19:08:05 | crashd | which is a start |
| 19:08:31 | pussfeller | in any case, I am gonna prot a few themes for my own use, and I will put them up on the gallery |
| 19:08:39 | crashd | yeah, go for it dude |
| 19:08:42 | crashd | the more the merrier :) |
| 19:08:45 | pussfeller | ok |
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| 19:10:24 | obo | Bagder_: around? |
| 19:13:09 | Bagder_ | not really |
| 19:13:38 | crashd | pussfeller: which themes were you thinking of modding? |
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| 19:15:20 | obo | Bagder: still need build servers? |
| 19:15:28 | Bagder | sure! |
| 19:15:36 | Bagder | the more the merrier |
| 19:15:41 | obo | xp1700 smp do? |
| 19:15:43 | t0mas | :D |
| 19:15:48 | t0mas | yes it will |
| 19:15:50 | Bagder | obo: certainly! |
| 19:16:02 | Bagder | but i'm off now, t0mas might be able to help out |
| 19:16:11 | obo | okay |
| 19:16:14 | Bagder | bbl |
| 19:16:30 | t0mas | yes, I can help you set it up |
| 19:17:10 | t0mas | have you installed the compilers? |
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| 19:17:47 | obo | yeah, I grabbed the fat tarball that was posted on the forum |
| 19:17:59 | t0mas | ok, and sdl libs? |
| 19:18:04 | obo | yup |
| 19:18:10 | t0mas | ssh is installed? |
| 19:18:31 | obo | yup - rockbox-devel is in the root of the rbclient home folder |
| 19:18:54 | t0mas | great |
| 19:19:08 | t0mas | I'm at a corporate laptop... so I don't have all keys etc here |
| 19:19:14 | t0mas | give me a minute to setup vpn etc |
| 19:19:21 | obo | okay, no worries |
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| 19:22:42 | t0mas | see pm :) |
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| 19:25:09 | * | XavierGr just heard Linus Torvalds pronounce Linux the right way. :P |
| 19:26:31 | goffa | heh... didn't read.. just threw it on.. seems to have helped |
| 19:26:58 | goffa | i can't be a maniac when i switch songs, but things are improved |
| 19:27:20 | goffa | XavierGr: you watch revolution os? |
| 19:29:41 | XavierGr | no I just digged a Linux tutorial which has a file that lets you hear Linus pronouncing the name. |
| 19:29:50 | goffa | ah.. ok |
| 19:30:06 | goffa | because he pronounced it in that documentary |
| 19:31:30 | goffa | so naturally i assumed you were watching it :P |
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| 19:33:17 | warthawg | does rockbox on nano give me more/better functionality than retailos? |
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| 19:33:20 | goffa | i still don't pronounce it that way |
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| 19:33:46 | goffa | i'd think it would warthawg |
| 19:33:48 | warthawg | i shoulda agreed to be interviewed for revolution os |
| 19:34:06 | goffa | i wasn't into the whole scene when that thing came out |
| 19:34:15 | XavierGr | Well I learnt to pronounce Linux the right way from the start. Then I heard someone to pronounce it Lynux and I was like ... "yuck" |
| 19:34:16 | goffa | but now i'd be happy to be interviewed |
| 19:34:25 | warthawg | but i am too ugly, and have bad teeth, no way, jose |
| 19:34:33 | XavierGr | And I wasn't sure which was the right way. |
| 19:35:08 | goffa | i say lin like in |
| 19:35:22 | goffa | i used to switch back and forth |
| 19:35:58 | goffa | bucause his name was linus... so i thought l eye nux.. initially.. because thats how its pronounced here |
| 19:36:22 | goffa | but when you hear him pronounce his name it sounds like l ee nus |
| 19:37:09 | goffa | now i really don't care |
| 19:37:13 | XavierGr | I know what you mean |
| 19:37:31 | XavierGr | and that's why I can't understand English pronounciation. |
| 19:37:36 | XavierGr | At times it is just random |
| 19:37:45 | goffa | thats exactly it |
| 19:37:55 | goffa | in the us alone there are a ton of different dialects |
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| 19:38:05 | warthawg | what is your native language, XavierGr ? |
| 19:38:11 | XavierGr | Greek |
| 19:38:21 | XavierGr | the pronounciation is strict with rules |
| 19:38:22 | warthawg | i have trouble saying gyro |
| 19:38:30 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 19:38:37 | goffa | yeah... how do you say that? |
| 19:38:48 | warthawg | in texan, or greek? :) |
| 19:38:49 | goffa | i hear some people saying geero |
| 19:39:00 | goffa | and some like gyroscope |
| 19:39:07 | goffa | or jyro |
| 19:39:08 | XavierGr | yes it is like the 'i' in 'in' |
| 19:39:16 | warthawg | coolio |
| 19:39:25 | goffa | ok... like giro |
| 19:39:35 | XavierGr | goffa the 'g' is something between 'g' and 'j' |
| 19:39:40 | goffa | ok |
| 19:39:42 | XavierGr | but not so depp 'j' |
| 19:39:59 | goffa | maybe that's why people don't pronounce it right |
| 19:40:17 | XavierGr | it's not so hard to pronounce when you hear it |
| 19:40:27 | goffa | i'm sure |
| 19:40:53 | goffa | but when you hear montanans pronounce it you never hear it the same twice |
| 19:41:24 | XavierGr | now that I think of it the 'g' can relate with the 'y' from yellow |
| 19:42:16 | goffa | ah... so you say both g and y |
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| 19:43:25 | goffa | i don't encounter that word very often... the closest greek restaraunt i can think of is like 400 mi away |
| 19:44:09 | XavierGr | and again now that you said 'word' the 'g' in 'gyros' can realate to 'w' |
| 19:44:26 | goffa | he he he |
| 19:44:36 | XavierGr | well yeah 'g' has nothing to do with the pronounciation we use |
| 19:44:48 | goffa | ok |
| 19:44:51 | XavierGr | it is just that this letter is refered to the english 'g' in keyboards |
| 19:45:44 | XavierGr | and Greek people typing greek with latin characters often type the 'g' for that letter. So that's why it comes to be written as gyros |
| 19:45:54 | goffa | ok |
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| 19:48:21 | nickgd | Can I get some help? |
| 19:48:29 | goffa | well... time for me to head back to work... |
| 19:48:31 | XavierGr | shoot |
| 19:48:55 | nickgd | just instlled rockbox but many mp3 files make it freeve |
| 19:49:10 | nickgd | what settings are good for the mp3 files |
| 19:49:25 | nickgd | kbit, etc? |
| 19:49:41 | XavierGr | nickgd: there are currently major changes in playback code, so latest releases are quite unstable |
| 19:50:00 | XavierGr | try a build before 4th of april if you have problems |
| 19:50:18 | nickgd | which release is consindered stable? ipod 5g as platform |
| 19:50:28 | petur | are you seeking (fast forward/reverse) |
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| 19:51:11 | nickgd | no mater what. it just does not play the mp3 and freezes |
| 19:51:36 | petur | with the latest cvs build? |
| 19:52:08 | nickgd | i'm using the build from last night |
| 19:52:53 | * | petur swears |
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| 19:53:43 | nickgd | i'll try the build from 03.04.06 as xaviergr wrote and get right back to you guys here |
| 19:53:45 | petur | you're right, the current build doesn't play mp3 at all :( |
| 19:54:21 | crashd | doh |
| 19:54:25 | crashd | they say as i unrar the latest build ;) |
| 19:54:59 | * | petur calls lostlogic |
| 19:56:17 | crashd | hum |
| 19:56:18 | crashd | it does play |
| 19:56:37 | | Part eaz |
| 19:56:48 | theli_ua | can anyone say is it possible to use grayscale lib on iPod with 2bpp lcd ? |
| 19:56:51 | crashd | it's just very choosy about what it will play ;) |
| 19:57:30 | nickgd | what is "very choosy"? what will it play and what not? |
| 19:57:37 | petur | weird: I select a file and it plays. I stop and press play again and it freezes |
| 19:57:39 | crashd | well, it wont (for me) play stuff from m3u |
| 19:57:48 | crashd | but it's play an album if i just choose the first file |
| 19:57:52 | petur | same file, just resuming iso fresh start |
| 19:57:53 | crashd | except, sometimes it wont |
| 19:58:48 | petur | nevermind, wrong theory |
| 19:58:57 | petur | it is completely random |
| 19:59:45 | crashd | when did the playback upending begin anyway? |
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| 20:00:50 | petur | aargh |
| 20:01:01 | nickgd | petur and crashd: I've just uploaded the build from 03.04. and now all seems fine. |
| 20:01:22 | crashd | yeah, seems the playback hacking started on the 4th |
| 20:01:34 | petur | lostlogic: current cvs build freezes on playback! |
| 20:02:30 | nickgd | i can fast forward and back. can jump from one file to the next. etc..... |
| 20:02:40 | crashd | ill revert to that daily for now then |
| 20:04:22 | nickgd | another question: i think i read somewhere that rockbox can show album artwork. true or not? if true, how do i get it to work? |
| 20:04:47 | petur | its done via a patch |
| 20:04:56 | petur | not included in the normal builds |
| 20:05:26 | nickgd | thanks. i'll go look for the patch. |
| 20:05:31 | goffa | lol... playback was fine when i left the house... now its screwing up again now that i'm at work |
| 20:05:37 | goffa | should have gone back to daily |
| 20:05:52 | lostlogic | petur: I hate you. |
| 20:05:52 | petur | there are no experimental ipod builds I know of, only iriver has one that incorporates album art |
| 20:05:59 | petur | what? |
| 20:06:11 | Nico_P | nickgd: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 20:06:21 | lostlogic | petur: because you tell me that current CVS doesn't work |
| 20:06:30 | petur | it doesn't |
| 20:06:32 | lostlogic | ... works for me, but then I mostly play ogg, and I htink I'm reading that MP3 is broken? |
| 20:06:32 | crashd | heh. |
| 20:06:53 | petur | I'm using mp3 and it freezes my player almost all the time |
| 20:07:08 | * | petur walks around with paperclip in hand |
| 20:07:11 | lostlogic | wait... I just rebooted my player, and resumed my last playlist... in an mp3... and it works fine... |
| 20:07:16 | lostlogic | how are you breaking it?! |
| 20:07:19 | crashd | hehe |
| 20:07:27 | crashd | well, it doesnt play all mp3's for me, mostly m3u |
| 20:07:28 | lostlogic | then I skipped to an ogg and it's playing that fine too! |
| 20:07:40 | lostlogic | m3u is a playlist, mp3 is an audio file... what do you mean!? |
| 20:07:44 | crashd | i mean |
| 20:07:50 | crashd | if i load an m3u, it wont play any of the mp3's in it |
| 20:07:50 | crashd | but |
| 20:07:54 | goffa | < playing a mp3 vbr |
| 20:07:55 | petur | I just did an update from cvs, build it and copied to player |
| 20:07:57 | lostlogic | and then... I skipped to an mp3 and it plays that too |
| 20:08:05 | goffa | was hosed on an ogg... seems random though |
| 20:08:06 | crashd | if i load the first mp3 of a directory, that is usually the first mp3 on the playlist anyway, it usually plays |
| 20:08:11 | petur | will do full rebuild |
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| 20:08:51 | crashd | let me just throw the newest cvs on here and see |
| 20:09:38 | lostlogic | man, the rockamp wpsses for 5g are kickass, I might actually break down and try one instead of my own text-only wps |
| 20:09:52 | goffa | i'm amazed at the amount of progress in a day |
| 20:10:26 | crashd | lostlogic: arent they just : ) |
| 20:10:30 | crashd | so perty |
| 20:10:37 | crashd | the 5g screen *is* massive tho |
| 20:11:47 | lostlogic | long menu -> quick screen is really irritating on the 5g, since menu is also what to hold when inserting USB to not go to disk mode :( |
| 20:12:02 | crashd | lostlogic: so, ive reloaded the latest build onto here and tried to play some tunes |
| 20:12:10 | lostlogic | crashd: and? |
| 20:12:16 | crashd | first up is an mp3 in a folder with some other mp3's, loads the id3 data fine, but doesnt play the tune |
| 20:12:22 | crashd | if i skip along a tune, no joy |
| 20:12:31 | crashd | but then, if i do it again, it'll start playing the next mp3 |
| 20:13:30 | lostlogic | crashd: ok, I've finally gotten that behavior... weird. |
| 20:13:32 | crashd | no joy if i 'load' an m3u playlist either |
| 20:13:47 | lostlogic | do you have shuffle on or off? |
| 20:13:48 | crashd | lemme try a single mp3 in a directory, a long mix |
| 20:13:53 | crashd | shuffle off |
| 20:14:15 | lostlogic | ok, I've now gotten some of these behaviors at least. |
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| 20:14:35 | crashd | ok, trying to load a single mp3 mix, about 80mb, no other files in the directory, same behaviour |
| 20:14:40 | * | petur still has cygwin building :( |
| 20:14:56 | crashd | i think ive got some oggs aboot here too |
| 20:15:13 | lostlogic | damnit, how can this be happening :-\ |
| 20:15:20 | crashd | :| sorry dude |
| 20:15:25 | lostlogic | not your fault ;) |
| 20:15:42 | nickgd | what have i done?? i've really started something here. |
| 20:15:43 | goffa | ogg seems to be giving me the most trouble |
| 20:15:45 | crashd | hah, i know ;) just feel bad as you've put loads of work into this, and it's being retarded |
| 20:16:17 | lostlogic | interestingly, having shuffle o n seems to make it happen a hellofa lot less. |
| 20:16:20 | goffa | and mp3 seems to be fine |
| 20:16:54 | crashd | ogg works fine from loading the first file |
| 20:17:02 | crashd | and fine for skipping and searching |
| 20:17:26 | goffa | i just have to remember to not manually skip tracks |
| 20:17:33 | goffa | when it does its thing it seems to go fine |
| 20:17:45 | crashd | heh |
| 20:17:54 | lostlogic | I don't think it's format specific, I think it's still a race condition, something to do with the initial audio play event's timing. |
| 20:18:48 | lostlogic | on a higher note, I think I've made seeking not retarded. |
| 20:18:54 | crashd | \o/ |
| 20:19:03 | goffa | cool |
| 20:19:18 | petur | once you get it to actually play... :P |
| 20:20:26 | lostlogic | petur: hehe, yeah |
| 20:20:52 | lostlogic | baby steps :-P |
| 20:23:26 | warthawg | what license does rockbox use? |
| 20:23:33 | petur | gpl |
| 20:23:36 | warthawg | tu |
| 20:23:41 | lostlogic | gplv2, right? |
| 20:23:46 | lostlogic | none of that gplv2 and above BS |
| 20:23:51 | warthawg | :) |
| 20:24:16 | petur | well we're not into DRM either ;) |
| 20:24:24 | goffa | <- wishes work would provide him with a cot and allocated nap time... |
| 20:24:35 | goffa | i'm thinking my sandwitch had setatives in it |
| 20:24:37 | lostlogic | yeah, but v3 apparently is going to say "you can't run this code on a DRM capable device" |
| 20:24:43 | lostlogic | goffa: mmm, food coma :) |
| 20:25:37 | t0mas | lostlogic: ehm, that's not really correct... |
| 20:25:46 | t0mas | I pc is a DRM capable device :) |
| 20:25:50 | t0mas | s/I/a |
| 20:26:12 | lostlogic | yeah, whatever. |
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| 20:26:33 | t0mas | there were some misunderstandings about v3 |
| 20:26:52 | goffa | linux journal had a good write up last month |
| 20:27:01 | goffa | or this month.. |
| 20:27:02 | t0mas | but as far as I've read explainations it's not shuch a big thing |
| 20:27:04 | goffa | didn't check the date |
| 20:27:28 | petur | hmmm, can't play any file anymore :( |
| 20:27:40 | lostlogic | petur: try making a big playlist, and shuffling it :-P |
| 20:27:49 | lostlogic | or letting the disk spin down, the nselecting a file |
| 20:27:58 | lostlogic | either one I feel is likely to make it work, but I don't know _why_ yet |
| 20:29:19 | petur | weird |
| 20:29:40 | lostlogic | it's a race, but I can't for the life of me figure out between what and who we are racing :( |
| 20:30:01 | petur | when I let the disk spin down before starting playback, it won't freeze the player but it won't play the file |
| 20:30:02 | goffa | cross your fingers.. hop on your left toe... and recite gpl v2 |
| 20:30:10 | goffa | while pressing play |
| 20:30:17 | goffa | that seems to work :) |
| 20:30:17 | petur | id3 data is shown but no audio / peakmeter |
| 20:30:28 | lostlogic | petur: do track skips then make it play? |
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| 20:30:35 | petur | nope |
| 20:30:41 | lostlogic | petur: what player? |
| 20:30:44 | petur | is shows id3 of the next file tho |
| 20:30:48 | petur | h340 |
| 20:30:54 | lostlogic | goffa: what player are yoU? |
| 20:31:00 | goffa | x5l |
| 20:31:27 | lostlogic | ugh, my brain hurts, why would it act different between those two, they are practically the same damn thing. |
| 20:32:17 | nickgd | petur and lostlogic: wish you the best luck finding the bug. must go now. over and out |
| 20:32:23 | petur | did you see the report this morning about playbacktaking long to start on a big file? |
| 20:32:39 | amiconn | lostlogic: If it's a race, H300 and H1x0 can be quite different |
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| 20:32:58 | amiconn | Graphics on H300 are way slower, and starting playback also draws graphics |
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| 20:34:28 | * | petur resets his personal memory banks - lostlogic, forget about that report of 'this morning' |
| 20:34:31 | lostlogic | amiconn: yah, I expected it to be worst on h1x0 |
| 20:34:43 | lostlogic | petur: hrm? morning? |
| 20:34:58 | petur | I'm searching for it now... |
| 20:35:49 | petur | today at 14:18:52 |
| 20:36:59 | petur | but I'd rather have it play the file at all atm :/ |
| 20:37:39 | lostlogic | petur: so it no longer takes super long on long mixes? |
| 20:37:48 | lostlogic | petur: yes yes, I'm trying to figure it out |
| 20:38:22 | petur | no no, crashd said it took super long on long mixes... |
| 20:38:28 | crashd | yeah |
| 20:38:36 | crashd | that was from a build from last night, could say which though |
| 20:38:53 | lostlogic | crashd: but it doesn't any more... when playback starts at all? |
| 20:39:04 | crashd | no, it loads fine IF it loads |
| 20:39:09 | lostlogic | ok |
| 20:39:35 | * | petur watches lostlogic getting burried with work and feels sorry for him |
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| 20:40:14 | lostlogic | petur: *shrug* it's looking much better now than it was, because I now have a pretty complete understanding of playback buffering, and have removed dozens of lines of duplicated or unnecessary code from it :) |
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| 20:40:41 | lostlogic | so despite the current problems, it's in a much better state than it was |
| 20:40:57 | petur | just get it to play and it 'll look better for me too :P |
| 20:43:26 | Bagder | obo: I see your server joined the game! |
| 20:43:27 | Bagder | nice |
| 20:43:32 | lostlogic | petur: I'm listening to music right now... so for some reason 5g like to play more than 340 or x5l :-\ |
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| 20:44:00 | obo | Bagder: yup, good to have it doing something useful for once ;) |
| 20:44:06 | Bagder | :-) |
| 20:45:02 | lostlogic | I. have figured it out. I think. |
| 20:45:17 | petur | fast boy ;) |
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| 20:46:01 | lostlogic | still doesn't _quite_ make sense, but I can see how one of the two cases of "it don't play none" could happen |
| 20:46:46 | petur | feel free to thow around test code |
| 20:46:53 | petur | *throw |
| 20:46:56 | crashd | im willing to test for 30 mins or so ;) |
| 20:47:00 | crashd | got work soon tho O.o |
| 20:47:17 | lostlogic | no no, I'll just go with my current method of commit and see what happens, until it starts reliably... |
| 20:48:05 | crashd | ehe |
| 20:48:08 | crashd | 'suck it and see' |
| 20:48:38 | petur | 'thrash it and swear at those who complain' |
| 20:48:41 | crashd | heh |
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| 20:52:15 | goffa | just beware of pitch forks and torches... lol |
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| 20:53:16 | muesli__ | pitchfork..nice band btw |
| 20:53:31 | goffa | as in project pitchfork? |
| 20:54:32 | muesli__ | ;) |
| 20:54:39 | goffa | yeah.. good stuff |
| 20:55:11 | muesli__ | got lost with their music ages ago. but it was nice at those times |
| 20:55:27 | goffa | yeah |
| 20:55:35 | goffa | i'm liking their newer stuff too |
| 20:56:33 | muesli__ | anything beyond io is out of my knowledge |
| 20:57:37 | amiconn | lostlogic: Weirdos from the sim front: |
| 20:57:56 | amiconn | On cygwin, I can't make current cvs play no matter how often I try |
| 20:58:04 | goffa | alpha omega, chakra red, and inferno are worth checking out |
| 20:58:10 | amiconn | There's an occosional popup 'codec failure' |
| 20:58:37 | amiconn | However, on my amd64, I managed to get it playing after 2..3 tries |
| 20:58:56 | lostlogic | are there differences between how queues are handled on sims vs. devices by chance? |
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| 20:59:01 | amiconn | I got a popup 'No codec for...', but then it played that track (!) |
| 20:59:07 | muesli__ | goffa nah, am too old for that stuff right now :-) |
| 20:59:40 | goffa | heh... never too old... |
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| 21:00:19 | goffa | of course i listen to a wide variety... bluegrass to metal, jazz to electronic |
| 21:00:23 | goffa | everything in between |
| 21:00:24 | amiconn | Seeking/skipping is a hit & miss, and I also get 'codec failure' accasionally |
| 21:00:47 | goffa | not a big fan of country or rap.. but there are exceptions |
| 21:01:04 | lostlogic | bagh, I've successfully broken it entirely. |
| 21:01:57 | petur | congrats |
| 21:02:34 | goffa | lostlogic: sure... take your ball and run home... see if we care |
| 21:02:37 | goffa | :) |
| 21:03:05 | amiconn | lostlogic: The queueing code is identical for sim & target, except that the sim queueing doesn't support broadcasts (and hence has no all_queues[] array) |
| 21:03:36 | lostlogic | hmph. |
| 21:04:30 | amiconn | Hrm, in my sim test, track display is messed up. Wps shows a different track than what is playing |
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| 21:05:12 | amiconn | Now it has gone totally nuts... |
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| 21:06:41 | petur | bah... the code to search for duplicate short filenames in fat.c add_dir_entry() doesn't work as it should |
| 21:07:09 | petur | it reates files with identical short filenames (as reported) |
| 21:07:15 | petur | *creates |
| 21:08:41 | amiconn | Hmm, would porting vkeyboard morse mode to archos be considered a new feature? It certainly isn't just a bugfix |
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| 21:10:22 | petur | extending functionality accros all targets should be ok I think |
| 21:11:46 | amiconn | petur: Do you have an idea why that happens? |
| 21:12:00 | petur | looking at it now |
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| 21:12:10 | amiconn | This code altready received a lot of review. I wonder what's going on there |
| 21:12:39 | petur | shouldn't short filenames always end with ~1 |
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| 21:12:54 | Mikachu | that's what windows does |
| 21:12:58 | amiconn | lostlogic: Do you need info about the probability of successful playback start on various swcodec targets? |
| 21:13:00 | petur | because create_dos_name() doesn't do that |
| 21:13:01 | amiconn | petur: Nope. |
| 21:13:15 | petur | ok |
| 21:13:28 | amiconn | The fat spec talks about this numerictail algorithm, |
| 21:13:54 | amiconn | but the only real requirement is that the shortname is unique, and does only contain valid characters |
| 21:13:58 | lostlogic | amiconn: not at this time, thanks. |
| 21:14:46 | amiconn | petur: If you're interested in the numerictail algorithm, the fat specs are on the datasheet page |
| 21:14:59 | amiconn | I'd say implementing this is overkill |
| 21:15:11 | petur | probably is |
| 21:15:47 | petur | checking randomize_dos_name() atm ;) |
| 21:16:37 | lostlogic | well, I've made it reliably _not_ work by calling the buffer fill from the audio_play_start event handler instead of just putting the event on the queue, so this says to me that it's a race between two different events hitting the queue, and when the audio_fill_buffer event hits furst it was breaking |
| 21:16:42 | lostlogic | the question is _WHY_ |
| 21:16:46 | dwihno | Damn Rockbox on the ipod is sweet |
| 21:17:03 | Mode | "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 21:17:08 | Mikachu | i only have regular rockbox on mine |
| 21:17:21 | petur | rotfl |
| 21:17:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 21:17:39 | Topic | "The Rockbox channel - We have a feature freeze - Have a server? --> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer" by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 21:18:06 | petur | maybe also mention we have an audio freeze atm :D |
| 21:18:20 | goffa | ha ha ha... maybe damn rockbox seeks and doesn't freeze audio |
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| 21:20:48 | * | petur runs off for a while |
| 21:23:13 | * | Bagder makes the commits-since-2.5 page get updated hourly |
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| 21:26:29 | * | lostlogic tries the infamous for-loop-sleep-delay method. |
| 21:27:01 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: i have no more playback on ipod, even with the last cvs corrections by brandon |
| 21:27:11 | lostlogic | I am brandon |
| 21:27:23 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: try a large shuffled playlist, and uhh stuff, and uhh be patient. |
| 21:27:34 | Mikachu | how can you be both brandon and lostlogic?!!? /me explodes |
| 21:27:51 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: i'm going away from home tomorrow snif :'( |
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| 21:28:13 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: so you said, if need be, you can revert to before I started making this mess... |
| 21:28:22 | muesli__ | who is brandon btw? |
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| 21:28:30 | MarcoPolo | ok |
| 21:29:13 | lostlogic | muesli__: ...? |
| 21:29:26 | muesli__ | ah..i knew it ;-) |
| 21:29:45 | lostlogic | you know, we have a useful IRC names page... |
| 21:30:04 | muesli__ | audible seeking in mp3s is meant by "This makes seeking work for me" |
| 21:30:13 | muesli__ | yeah..i should check from time to time |
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| 21:30:23 | Zoide777 | hi guys |
| 21:30:36 | muesli__ | hi guy |
| 21:30:37 | Zoide777 | How do you do the equivalent of println() in Rockbox? I'm trying to debug something |
| 21:30:42 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: which files where modified (to revert) ? |
| 21:30:57 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: probably easiest to just get a daily build from then... |
| 21:31:12 | Mikachu | Zoide777: in what language would println() do something, and what? |
| 21:31:15 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: i have a patched rockbox ;) |
| 21:31:23 | lostlogic | Mikachu: java |
| 21:31:32 | Zoide777 | yes |
| 21:31:36 | muesli__ | lostlogic -> audible seeking in mp3s is meant by "This makes seeking work for me" !? |
| 21:31:55 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: ah, mostly playback.c, but just reverting that would cause some things to not compile I think... |
| 21:32:00 | lostlogic | muesli__: I don't understand. |
| 21:32:03 | Paprica | XavierGr? |
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| 21:32:13 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: yes |
| 21:32:27 | linuxstb_ | Zoide777: Have you tried the latest CVS on your 4g? |
| 21:32:28 | Mikachu | aaand... what does it do? |
| 21:32:29 | lostlogic | gwps-common.c, abrepeat.c and audio.h I think are the only other 3 |
| 21:32:42 | MarcoPolo | ok ! |
| 21:32:43 | MarcoPolo | thanks |
| 21:32:43 | lostlogic | Mikachu: printf("stuff\n"); |
| 21:32:52 | Zoide777 | linuxstb: i installed it and set my prefs, but haven't tried playback |
| 21:33:03 | Mikachu | ah |
| 21:33:12 | Mikachu | you could use lcd_putsxy for that then? |
| 21:33:12 | Zoide777 | lostlogic: but now i'm trying to debug my attempts at recording from an older version of cvs code |
| 21:33:17 | muesli__ | i mean when seeking in irivers os is done with increased and audible music. the question is if that is meant by your patch |
| 21:33:25 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: I'll try that, thanks |
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| 21:34:05 | lostlogic | muesli__: I still don't understand... that patch just fixed seeking so that it wouldn't leave the music paused after seeking. |
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| 21:34:12 | * | Bagder added manual links on the daily build page |
| 21:35:18 | muesli__ | lostlogic at least i know that your patch doesnt do what ive been assuming |
| 21:36:37 | lostlogic | muesli__: Now I get what you mean... I tried to do that at one point, but it caused havoc in the playback, so had to give it up for the time. |
| 21:37:27 | muesli__ | oki :-) |
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| 21:43:46 | * | amiconn still doesn't get why so many people want audible seeking |
| 21:43:50 | Paprica | mm someone got this problem? |
| 21:43:51 | Paprica | http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/6971/untitled0su.jpg |
| 21:44:02 | amiconn | I'd rather not want to hear ugly noises while seeking |
| 21:44:38 | lostlogic | gah, I'm an idiot. |
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| 21:45:42 | lostlogic | the first conditional in the audio_fill_file_buffer call would rarely be met, which would mean that the buffer would never fill and playback would never start. |
| 21:47:18 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: does it mean that the problem is solved ? |
| 21:47:46 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: I'm not positive, but you can test momentarily |
| 21:48:09 | lostlogic | Still seems to be some variable that I am not accounting for |
| 21:48:54 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: committed, let me know. |
| 21:49:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: now I'd be interested in an update on what the cygwin sim does... |
| 21:49:18 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: okj |
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| 21:51:04 | amiconn | mompls |
| 21:52:44 | Mikachu | that looked funny before i realized mom was short for moment |
| 21:52:59 | lostlogic | haha |
| 21:53:01 | Bagder | hehe |
| 21:53:36 | amiconn | lostlogic: It started playing at the 5th attempt or so |
| 21:54:08 | amiconn | Then it played the first second from the track I selected, then skipped to the next |
| 21:55:09 | amiconn | Skipping works only sometimes |
| 21:55:29 | amiconn | Now it froze |
| 21:55:51 | amiconn | (after trying to skip back 5 times in quick succession) |
| 21:55:58 | MarcoPolo | lostlogic: it works better (i have playback on play), but when I skip all the tracks which are in the buffer, i get no playback on the next one |
| 21:57:33 | amiconn | I'd say it starts playing in ~25% of all attempts |
| 21:57:47 | lostlogic | thanks dudez. |
| 21:57:53 | amiconn | Sometimes it says 'No codec for...' before playing |
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| 21:58:32 | lostlogic | amiconn: that is terribly strange. wonder if it has something to do with reading metadata vs. reading the song. |
| 21:58:39 | Zoide777 | where is audio_init_recording() defined in the rockbox code? |
| 21:58:54 | Mikachu | ctags -R . |
| 21:58:59 | Mikachu | edit -t audio_init_recording |
| 21:59:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: Do you test in the sim yourself? Might be useful because you can use logf() / debugf() |
| 21:59:37 | Mikachu | Zoide777: there's one at line 139 in pcm_record.c and one in line 2130 of mpeg.c |
| 21:59:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: no, I don't have any GUI-able computer that can build sims... |
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| 22:00:03 | amiconn | logf() isn't exactly convenient on ipod because of no remote lcd |
| 22:00:18 | lostlogic | amiconn: yah |
| 22:00:24 | Mikachu | you could morse on the piezo :P |
| 22:00:24 | Zoide777 | Mikachu: thanks. btw, I'd forgotten about grep :D |
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| 22:01:50 | lostlogic | Mikachu: thanks for reminding me to tag rockbox. |
| 22:02:23 | Mikachu | when did i do what? |
| 22:03:08 | lostlogic | I use ctags at work for everything, but kept not having tagged rockbox and then wondering why it was harder to navigate rockbox than work code :-P |
| 22:03:34 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
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| 22:03:43 | Mikachu | there's even a button for it in gvim :) |
| 22:04:08 | lostlogic | a button, eh? I just use ^] in vim... |
| 22:04:21 | MarcoPolo | I have to leave ! good bye ! |
| 22:04:30 | Mikachu | lostlogic: to generate the index |
| 22:04:35 | MarcoPolo | i'm sure rockbox will be perfect in two weeks ;) |
| 22:04:38 | lostlogic | Mikachu: oh, interesting. |
| 22:04:44 | lostlogic | MarcoPolo: have a good trip |
| 22:05:29 | lostlogic | well I've gotta take a break from rockbox and do some paying work for a while... I certainly encourage anyone else interested to try and figure out what's still breaking some cases of playback initialization :) |
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| 22:10:27 | petur | still no playback here :( |
| 22:11:48 | lostlogic | petur: I assume you've tried a couple of different tracks and playlists? |
| 22:11:55 | lostlogic | do you use dircache? tagcache? |
| 22:12:03 | petur | tracks yes, playlists no |
| 22:12:12 | petur | dircache |
| 22:12:31 | lostlogic | I'm curious if you have better luck with dircache off. |
| 22:13:19 | petur | wtf! playback now with dircache off |
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| 22:14:38 | petur | seeking stops playback but doesn't freeze the player |
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| 22:15:16 | lostlogic | it's still a race of some very strange sort. |
| 22:15:51 | lostlogic | playback initializing before playlist, I'd bet |
| 22:15:51 | petur | found a track that won't play and skipping to it freezes again |
| 22:16:25 | lostlogic | ok, so now I need to figure out what the initialization sequence is and how playback gets ahead. |
| 22:16:33 | lostlogic | seeking still breaks for you!? |
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| 22:16:45 | lostlogic | that I totally fixed. |
| 22:16:46 | XavierGr | Paprica: you called? |
| 22:17:48 | XavierGr | Paprica do you have problems with the VMware image? |
| 22:18:22 | XavierGr | From the pic I see that you can't connect to the VMware image filesystem using windows, right? |
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| 22:18:31 | petur | lostlogic: seeking stops playback, skipping to the next/prev track starts it again |
| 22:18:48 | XavierGr | Paprica: Do you know if it worked for you with the old image? |
| 22:19:11 | lostlogic | petur: pause/unpause also resume it? |
| 22:19:27 | lostlogic | petur: consistently? I can't get seeking to stop playback. |
| 22:19:30 | * | petur checks |
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| 22:20:39 | petur | pause/unpause resumes playback as well |
| 22:21:09 | petur | and playback after seeking stops consistently |
| 22:21:13 | herz42 | talking about playback problems with the latest cvs changes? |
| 22:21:24 | herz42 | I think I also have them :( |
| 22:21:51 | XavierGr | we all have them |
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| 22:22:14 | petur | the absolute latest build kind of works when dircache is off |
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| 22:24:15 | lostlogic | please report and update bugs on the SoftwareCodecPlayback wiki page so that I can keep track and get more information on problems people are having (since a lot of them I do not experience myself. |
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| 22:24:59 | XavierGr | Paprica: be sure that your VMware ethernet adapter is set to Connected and Bridged. You can set this under 'Devices' next to 'Player' label |
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| 22:25:54 | XavierGr | Paprica: Oh and when you try to log from windows. Username: root (or user) Pass: Rockbox |
| 22:26:16 | XavierGr | no, Pass: rockbox (no capitals) |
| 22:27:09 | amiconn | Doesn't need to be bridged |
| 22:27:28 | amiconn | For guest<->host communication , all 3 modes will work |
| 22:27:37 | amiconn | (bridged, nat and host-only) |
| 22:27:38 | XavierGr | didn't know that |
| 22:27:43 | XavierGr | thanks |
| 22:28:18 | XavierGr | amiconn: BTW did you tried it? |
| 22:28:18 | amiconn | The various modes are only important if you want the virtual machine communicate with other machines on your lan, or the internet |
| 22:28:54 | amiconn | no |
| 22:29:13 | XavierGr | okay just asking. I wanted to know if I missed anything. |
| 22:29:48 | XavierGr | bbl |
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| 22:32:20 | amiconn | Hmm, now that I think about it, bridged mode might not work, depending on the ip configuration |
| 22:33:20 | * | petur falls over goto statement in fat.c and hurts his left knee |
| 22:33:34 | amiconn | hehe |
| 22:33:39 | Mikachu | goto hospital; |
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| 22:33:59 | amiconn | *sometimes* goto is rather efficient |
| 22:34:25 | petur | I know, but wasn't expecting it in RB code |
| 22:34:39 | lostlogic | there are gotos scattered about. |
| 22:35:38 | Mikachu | i've seen a couple too |
| 22:35:40 | amiconn | petur: goto is used in some places, where it makes sense |
| 22:35:50 | amiconn | ata_mmc has some, for error handling |
| 22:35:53 | Mikachu | like unlikely error cases |
| 22:36:15 | amiconn | If C wouldn't have certain limitations, we wouldn't need goto |
| 22:36:32 | lostlogic | what limitation? |
| 22:36:35 | petur | allright, I say no more ;) |
| 22:37:02 | amiconn | (1) You can only break; out of the innermost loop |
| 22:37:14 | Huey | has anybody gotten the Rockboy scrolling patch to work? |
| 22:37:18 | lostlogic | ah yes, I wasn't thinking of that one. |
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| 22:37:26 | amiconn | (2) There's no general error handling concept |
| 22:37:47 | amiconn | (like try/catch. Note that I'm not a C++ prorammer) |
| 22:38:02 | Mikachu | amiconn: isn't there a gcc extenision that lets you put labels on while() and use break label; ? |
| 22:38:27 | Mikachu | it's possible it was just a dream |
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| 22:39:56 | lostlogic | gah, nothing is occuring to me that would be called faster with dircache enabled, and the calling of which too soon in the buffering process would cause playback not to start. |
| 22:41:25 | herz42 | my logf says "Partially buf:0" a thousand times. Does that help in any way? |
| 22:41:38 | lostlogic | herz42: yes, yes it does! |
| 22:41:54 | lostlogic | tells me what condition it's sticking in |
| 22:42:18 | herz42 | various... |
| 22:42:29 | lostlogic | herz42: hrm? |
| 22:42:47 | herz42 | If I use tag database, I couldn't get any playback however what I tried |
| 22:42:58 | lostlogic | by condition, I meant state. |
| 22:43:21 | herz42 | In file mode, if I skip/search enough, it will eventually start playback |
| 22:43:34 | lostlogic | herz42: yeah, that's what others have basically reported too. |
| 22:43:38 | herz42 | state is: I select a file to play. |
| 22:43:50 | lostlogic | herz42: but you're the first person to actually be useful by telling me about that Partially buf message. |
| 22:43:52 | herz42 | from the file browser |
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| 22:46:06 | herz42 | Uhm, now I get "Partial buf:7980" as often. I was skipping tracks and that one started the disk to spin. |
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| 22:47:27 | herz42 | What is really weird, is that audio thread info shows 154556/529200 bytes and codec 7980/28MB, but it is static - doesn't run down |
| 22:48:11 | lostlogic | yeah, the codec is requesting data, more than is available on the file buffer, and the file buffer is trying to fill, but that repeated partially buf message says that for some reason it thinks it doesn't have space to buffer any more. |
| 22:48:27 | lostlogic | and I'm tryin got figure out who the hell is telling it it can't buffer any more. |
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| 22:51:35 | lostlogic | shit. I see the problem, and it's my own dumb fault. |
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| 22:58:04 | lostlogic | codec thread requests more data than is on the file buffer, asks for more data, before any additional data is read, the audio_thread yields, sees a new event to process, goes to process the same event posted again. whoops. |
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| 23:03:48 | goffa | at least you are narrowing it down |
| 23:04:17 | lostlogic | oh, I know exactly how to fix this particular set of problems now... it's just non-trivial to fix. |
| 23:06:05 | goffa | ah |
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| 23:06:44 | Mikachu | one of my math profs said "this is trivial. but why is it trivial?" and then went on for five minutes to explain why it was trivial |
| 23:06:57 | Mikachu | free association day |
| 23:06:59 | petur | lol |
| 23:07:02 | goffa | he he he |
| 23:07:44 | warthawg | anybody know where the opening rockbox splash screen is kept? |
| 23:07:53 | warthawg | i need a good pikshur |
| 23:07:54 | Mikachu | apps/bitmaps/native i think |
| 23:07:59 | warthawg | thanks, Mikachu |
| 23:08:50 | Mikachu | heh, why does the 320x one have the K in rock in front of box, but the other ones have it behind? |
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| 23:22:46 | lostlogic | can anyone see why this macro would leave irqs masked? |
| 23:22:50 | lostlogic | http://pastebin.com/646872 |
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| 23:27:27 | petur | lostlogic: don't see a problem |
| 23:27:43 | herz42 | me neither... |
| 23:28:08 | lostlogic | *sigh* well somethings wrong with it, let me see if I can make playback work without something of that sort for the time being. |
| 23:32:42 | lostlogic | just hit commit, test and lemme know, I betcha it works now |
| 23:32:50 | lostlogic | and I'll just pretend that macro never happened. |
| 23:33:21 | petur | building now... |
| 23:33:54 | lostlogic | I can even reliably skip several tracks now :-P |
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| 23:35:55 | petur | first check ok (seeking still stops playback) |
| 23:36:03 | * | petur enables dircache |
| 23:36:22 | lostlogic | petur: seeking hates you. |
| 23:36:37 | petur | that makes two then |
| 23:37:58 | petur | playback works, seeking freezes :( |
| 23:38:02 | herz42 | everything I tried (play/pause/skip/search/...) works fine up to now for tag database and file browser |
| 23:38:04 | lostlogic | _freezes_ or just stops? |
| 23:38:22 | petur | freezes the player - reset req |
| 23:38:22 | lostlogic | herz42: yay |
| 23:38:41 | lostlogic | petur: ok, what do you do differently when seeking than the rest of us? |
| 23:39:06 | petur | aw |
| 23:39:26 | lostlogic | wait, I might have at least gotten seek to not resume now... |
| 23:39:32 | petur | skipping tracks gives short high pitch noises |
| 23:39:42 | lostlogic | yes, that's noted on my bug page |
| 23:39:56 | petur | ah ok |
| 23:41:49 | lostlogic | -74 lines net change to playback.c in the course of this refactoring... not as many as I was hoping for :-P |
| 23:43:04 | herz42 | hmm, now I also managed to stop playback with searching - play symbol still showing, but time doesn't move, but play pause fixes things in that case |
| 23:43:25 | lostlogic | herz42: yeah, I haven't gotten petur's hard freeze though, so let me know if and how you can get that |
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| 23:44:31 | herz42 | the hard freeze? never managed up to now |
| 23:45:35 | petur | hahahaha |
| 23:45:52 | petur | maybe also on your page already: |
| 23:46:48 | petur | I seek into a file, on release it stops playback. If I then skip to the next track, it resumes playback at *that* postion in that track |
| 23:46:55 | petur | very funny |
| 23:47:12 | lostlogic | hehe, that's helpful! thank you. |
| 23:48:06 | herz42 | howto to stop playback by searching: skip to next track, ff about 2mins, then it stops with about 30% prob. for me |
| 23:48:58 | herz42 | in the logf I get: "pre ff/rewind", "pause", "ff/rewind: 186328" in that order |
| 23:49:47 | lostlogic | herz42: well then, where the hell does that pause come from !? |
| 23:49:53 | Judge2112 | It freezes on me if I play several tracks about 5-10sec each. after 10th song −− freezes. LCD stays on tho |
| 23:50:10 | petur | if i seek, then do pause/unpause to make it resume, I first get a bit of audio from the position before the seek, and then seemless comes the correct audio |
| 23:50:13 | Moos | no seeking here too |
| 23:50:34 | petur | but at least it plays again :D :D |
| 23:50:39 | petur | hooray for that |
| 23:50:41 | lostlogic | oh, wait, that pause is supposed to happen |
| 23:50:44 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 23:50:57 | lostlogic | petur: yes, I know that, thanks |
| 23:51:06 | herz42 | then probably the un-pause is missing... ? |
| 23:51:08 | lostlogic | Judge2112: hard or soft freeze? |
| 23:51:14 | Moos | seeking making freeze all times here |
| 23:51:19 | Judge2112 | hard |
| 23:51:35 | lostlogic | herz42: the unpause is in the codec_seek_complete callback, which _should_ always be called by the codec after seeking finishes |
| 23:51:46 | goffa | hmm... x5 files from the target tree.. what will that do? |
| 23:51:47 | lostlogic | what I can't figure out is why it's _not_ getting called. |
| 23:52:02 | goffa | have to wait 8 mins to find out i guess |
| 23:53:04 | Bagder | goffa: they contain the x5-specific code |
| 23:53:20 | petur | I reset settings, enabled dircache and now seeking doesn't freeze anymore |
| 23:53:46 | Moos | oh this is related to dircache? |
| 23:54:01 | lostlogic | Moos: dircache can sometimes impact it, but it's not directly related |
| 23:54:06 | petur | lostlogic: got a good hint for you how to freeze it tho: |
| 23:54:16 | lostlogic | petur: for the hard freeze or the soft one? |
| 23:54:39 | petur | in the browser, move to a file and press play twice (fast after each other) |
| 23:54:52 | petur | what's soft freeze btw? |
| 23:55:15 | petur | that one requires the magic paperclip |
| 23:55:22 | Moos | lostlogic: the good thing it's now I know, no paperclip needed for reset just power button : ) |
| 23:55:25 | lostlogic | soft means no paperclip, hard means paperclip |
| 23:55:44 | Moos | oh maybe I experimented the soft one then |
| 23:56:12 | petur | It does put on the backlight on keypress but won't do anything usefull or powerdown |
| 23:56:15 | Moos | but you can do nothing anyway, just frozen in WPS screen |
| 23:56:28 | lostlogic | k |
| 23:56:46 | Rob2222 | hi all |
| 23:56:55 | * | Moos try dircache disabled |
| 23:57:03 | Rob2222 | are there any known problems with copy & paste? |
| 23:57:19 | Rob2222 | I got "paste failed" on my H300 but dont know why. |
| 23:57:29 | lostlogic | anywho, I'm probably going to be off drinking myself stupid tonight, and will resume this work tomorrow, unless someone else happens to look into these bugs first :-P |
| 23:57:46 | petur | bah... let me correct myself: pressing play twice gives a real hard freeze |
| 23:57:52 | petur | backlight stays on |
| 23:58:00 | lostlogic | petur: you are H3x0? |
| 23:58:04 | petur | yup |
| 23:58:15 | Moos | seeking freeze with dircache disable too here, X5 :( |
| 23:58:16 | goffa | yeah... Bagder ... i figured that much... just wondering what it'll do for me... smoother opperation, better battery life, nothing :) |
| 23:58:20 | Judge2112 | i am also H3x0 |
| 23:58:26 | lostlogic | ok, ipod 5g _doesn't_ do that, I've tried many times pressing it various speeds of fast and no dice |
| 23:58:32 | Bagder | goffa: it includes the sources in the source packages |
| 23:58:37 | goffa | ah |
| 23:58:43 | Bagder | goffa: you need to pay attention to what file that is modified |
| 23:58:53 | lostlogic | ok, so somehow H3x0 is getting hard freezes that hte ipod is not. |
| 23:58:57 | Bagder | FILES contains the files that are included in source packages |
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