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#rockbox log for 2006-04-09

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00:08:06]RowaN[has anyone come in here to argue that /games/doom should go into /rockbox/games/doom or would i be the first one? =p
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00:24:33bluebrother^linuxstb: did the trick. Thanks!
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00:33:38scottderI wish i had picked up an H120 back in the day
00:33:51scottderwhat other dap has a digital output :)
00:39:26amiconnarchos recorders do
00:40:38amiconnFor some reason I have the impression that many newer daps are a step back concerning numerous features
00:41:19linuxstbDRM and digital outputs don't go well together either.
00:42:31amiconnarchos recorders have digital in+out, and so does the iriver h1x0 series
00:44:14scottderrecorder had a digital output? huh
00:44:21scottderdidn't know that
00:44:26scottderI had a Series 5000
00:44:30scottderollllld school :)
00:44:32amiconnNot optical, but electrical
00:44:50amiconnThe 5000 didn't. It's the player
00:45:30Mikachudigital output means the pcm data is sent there?
00:45:59Mikachuah right
00:46:04amiconns/pdif exists in 2 incarnations, optical (toslink) and electrical
00:46:21Mikachui think my sblive has one of those, but i can plug in regular phone contacts in it too
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00:59:18Zoide777hi guys
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01:00:13Zoide777how does this work? queue_post(&pcmrec_queue, PCMREC_INIT, 0);
01:00:43Zoide777I'm trying to debug pcm_record.c, and there is a while(!init_done) after that call that just sleeps
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01:01:17Zoide777but then the execution doesn't seem to go anywhere. i even have a gui_syncsplash at the start of every function in pcm_record.c to try to find where it goes, but it seems to go nowhere
01:02:33Mikachuanother thread would have to change that variable
01:02:43Mikachupresumably the pcmrec thread
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01:22:22Zoide777Mikachu: wouldn't that thread be code that is in pcm_record.c? I ask b/c I already put gui_syncsplashes at the beginning of every function there and it seems to go nowhere..
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01:24:35Mikachuwhere a thread runs isn't really controlled by the file
01:24:39Mikachuplayback.c starts 3 threads
01:25:00Mikachucode in that file may or may not be run by your thread
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01:29:00Zoide777Mikachu: i see. but I just can't figure out where the code from the thread is from... i mean, the call is queue_post(&pcmrec_queue, PCMREC_INIT, 0), so I supposed that execution would go to pcmrec_init(), which is in pcm_record.c
01:29:41Mikachuyou want to find the code that polls pcmrec_queue
01:29:53Mikachuand possibly the switch statement that has a "case PCMREC_INIT:"
01:30:04Zoide777let's see
01:32:18Zoide777ok, I grepped the whole source code, and only pcm_record.c has "case PCMREC_INIT", which is in pcmrec_thread(). the strange thing is that I have a gui_syncsplash() right at the start of pcmrec_thread(), and it never seems to be called (i.e. the text in the gui_syncsplash doesn't come on screen)
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01:35:32Mikachuthen possibly the thread is never started
01:35:48Mikachudo you have a delay on the syncsplash too, maybe it's getting overwritten?
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01:39:16amiconnThe delay won't help if the ui thread overwrites it
01:39:25Mikachuthat's true
01:39:44Mikachuwhat if you have a 0 delay and spin? (evil)
01:40:28amiconnI bet the pcmrec thread either doesn't get started, or it hangs somewhere in an init
01:42:09Zoide777could having gui_syncsplashes all over the place cause something like that?
01:42:37Mikachuit might be easier to debug with the piezo :)
01:43:33Zoide777oh how I miss good old printf() on a console..
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01:58:02lamedhello everyone. I'd love if some serious devs take a l00k at my thread over
01:59:20Mikachunew prboom release again
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02:03:49essoeHi, I was hoping someone could help me, I couldn't find an answer in the forums, or wiki. I've installed rockbox on my ipod photo 4g, but when booting I get a Rockbox error: -1 .. I know my partions run LinuxOnIpod, but wasnt sure if they're setup right for rockbox.. thanks
02:08:28Paul_The_Nerdessoe: Have you copied rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder over, or extracted in the root of your player?
02:09:01dpassen1Someone should create a Wiki page with all the error codes and what they mean (how to fix, etc.)
02:10:20essoePaul: yeah I got the daily build and extracted it there
02:11:19essoePaul: would it matter that I have other files there ? ( I installed LinuxForIpod first).. and do you know what the -1 Error means?
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02:12:45Paul_The_Nerdessoe: Well, it needs to be in the first partition (well, second once you count the hidden boot partition) and that partition MUST be Fat32 formatted
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02:16:34essoepaul: thanks =) that fixed it.. I was putting in the 3rd parition, the one I'd setup for linux previously
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02:17:17Paul_The_Nerdessoe: Error -1 means rockbox.ipod can't be found, so I figured you either hadn't copied it, had it in the wrong place, or had the wrong format partition. :)
02:20:10essoepaul- dump question.. but how do I get to my music?
02:21:13Paul_The_NerdYou browse to it?
02:21:23Mikachui think ipod_control is hidden by default
02:21:52Paul_The_NerdRockbox is filetree based in the default configuration, so you just browse to your music and click on it. Since ipod_control is hidden, you need to set the ipod to show all files (hold Menu to get a quickscreen, then hit Play a few times 'till it says "All Files")
02:22:18Paul_The_Nerdessoe: Rockbox also has a database you can use instead, explained here
02:22:23Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Oi, give me time.
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02:22:35midkayPaul_The_Nerd, just hurry up!!!
02:22:39Mikachuyou need an answer bot
02:22:45essoethanks =) .. one more question.. how do I quit snake2 ? .. up and menu doesnt seem to work
02:22:47midkayhaha. i find it amusing that you have your plan laid out. :)
02:23:10Mikachuessoe: i think the keybinds are a bit broken for ipod in that plugin
02:23:19Mikachujust press some random keys and it should quit after a while :)
02:23:43midkayhold menu, tap select, at the initial screen..
02:29:13essoeone last question.. Is there a util or something that can take the F00, F01, etc dirs of an ipod, and recreate the Artist\Album dir structure?
02:29:41midkayyes, TagCache.. which was mentioned by Paul_The_Nerd a moment ago
02:30:20Paul_The_Nerdessoe: Any tag&rename type tool should be able to build a directory structure from the filenames in the files, but you'll then be unable to play them in the apple software. If you use tagcache, you get a menu similar to what the apple software gives that lets you browse by Artist, Album, or Genre
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02:36:33essoethanks−− I've been running linux on my pc for awhile, and hadnt been able to easily update/exchange stuff between the ipod.. This should work really well tho.. my biggest worry was that I had a large partition in itunes that I wanted to keep using, or adding to, but I didnt own the pc that it was synced to.. so I just had a backup of it.. Thanks again, this looks really cool
02:36:48Mikachufwiw, gtkpod worked pretty well
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02:44:35essoehow do you go back to song info?
02:44:49Mikachupress play in the file browser
02:45:15Mikachuand if you're using daily builds, i think the one from 3rd april will work better than current ones
02:45:25Mikachuif you want to actually listen to music
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02:45:37essoeis it that bad that I'll notice?
02:45:43essoeI crashed it already once
02:45:55essoeokay thanks for the heads up
02:45:57Paul_The_NerdThere's a few freezes in the playback code, I think relating to next track and or seeking
02:46:08Mikachuit also plays the wrong song sometimes, and makes funny noises
02:46:15Paul_The_NerdOooh, neat.
02:46:30midkaydo they sound like farts? *prays*
02:46:35midkayi'll upgrade for sure!!!!!!!!!
02:46:35scottderOk I have been poking around the wiki, whats the quick and dirty way to make playlists?
02:46:36Mikachunot really
02:46:47midkay*unplugs iPod*
02:46:49midkayyeah. whatever.
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02:47:08Paul_The_NerdY'know what's funny? My laptop died on 04-03, so I stopped making custom builds for myself, and just stuck with the one I made at 8 AM CST that morning
02:47:25midkayhaha. .. your laptop died. haha.
02:47:29midkayle Pwnd.
02:47:53Paul_The_Nerdscottder: Insert songs until you have the playlist you desire, then choose the playist options in the menu, and save it?
02:48:13Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, it's being replaced under warranty. Oddly enough, my desktop takes 10 seconds more to compile than the laptop did.
02:48:27Mikachuyou remember how many seconds a build takes?
02:48:34Mikachuit's not just because more plugins are added?
02:48:41Paul_The_NerdI had those plugins already
02:48:45midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha. even more pwnd..
02:48:46Mikachui guess none are added since the 4th
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02:49:03Paul_The_NerdIt went from 1:31 to 1:43
02:49:35Mikachui rarely rebuild the whole tree
02:49:55Paul_The_NerdI did, because I was curious if my desktop was faster.
02:50:29Mikachusame version of gcc etc?
02:50:39Paul_The_NerdIt's odd though. I mean, the files are on a faster HD, it has twice the ram available, and the laptop has the DTR version of the exact same processor as my desktop. There's not really a practical reason why the laptop would be faster.
02:50:49Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I copied the VMWare image over.
02:51:20midkayPaul_The_Nerd, wait, did you forget to pause your hundreds of porn downloads? those can be real CPU suckers.. ;)
02:51:26scottderPaul_The_Nerd: hmmm ok will have to play with it more
02:51:49Paul_The_Nerdscottder: The quickest and dirtiest way is to create one in winamp and simply copy it over
02:52:17Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Oh, right, maybe I shouldn't have been playing Oblivion while running 37 torrents and watching a DVD, right?
02:52:45scottderI use foobar2000
02:52:46midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah, that may not have helped as much as we once believed..
02:53:14scottderwhat would be awesome is a foobar2000/winamp plugin that could sync for rockbox and build the tagcache :)
02:54:39Paul_The_NerdMikachu: It's a joke. I wasn't running anything else. And I never run more than 8 torrents at once.
02:55:20Paul_The_Nerdscottder: Well, foobar2000 can save m3u playlists as well. As for building tagcache, it's open source so one could conceivably create a plugin for foobar2000 to do it if someone really wanted to.
02:55:23Mikachui realized that not more than one second after i pressed enter
02:55:32Paul_The_NerdNo worries.
02:55:38essoeis there a shutdown option?
02:55:42scottderPaul_The_Nerd: indeed....just thinking out loud really
02:55:48Mikachuessoe: hold play for a few seconds
02:55:49Paul_The_Nerdessoe: Hold play/pause for about 6-8 seconds
02:56:18Mikachumaybe i should stop hogging my quit menu to myself
02:56:22Paul_The_Nerdscottder: it's definitely been suggested. It'd build tagcache a LOT quicker than the built in feature, and would be useful for people who often change their music on small-storage players (Nano, and I suppose Ondio)
02:57:03Mikachuthe nano is almost small enough to not need much managing of the music
02:57:42scottderI just do a genre/artist/album layout and itb works fine for me
02:57:57scottderand with music a Q4 and Q3 ogg vorbis...holds plenty for my needs
03:00:34maeckyeah, built my first plugin, created a cross compiler and got the rock on th eipod working. YEAH
03:01:04Mikachuyou built an existing plugin or you wrote a new one?
03:01:27maecknew one from the ground up
03:01:39Mikachuwhat's it do?
03:01:42maeckit is just a proof of concept for a graphical menu
03:02:21maeckthe scrollwheel is not behaving as I thought it would be
03:02:46Mikachuthe wheel driver isn't very sophisticated
03:03:23maeckneed to check what is going on.
03:04:25maeckanyhow, can someone explain how bitmaps are loaded? I included: extern const fb_data jewels[];
03:04:36Mikachuthat would be not me
03:04:37maecknow, magically the jewels bmp file gets loaded
03:04:53maeckdid not expect it would be.
03:04:56Mikachuit's compiled into the plugin lib
03:05:00Mikachuso the linker finds it for you
03:05:03Mikachui think
03:05:16maeckhmm, that would be cool
03:05:25Mikachuit'll be stored in your .rock
03:05:49maeckso that would be somewhere in the make file I guess
03:05:58maeckthe reference to the file
03:07:16maeckanyhow, got plenty more to do on this. but first ARM build works like a charm... somehow at least
03:13:14Mikachuthe bmp files are converted to fb_data arrays before being linked
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03:46:11essoeis it possible to lockup where you cant reboot at all?
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03:48:32goffa_essoe: you may have to hit the reset button
03:48:41goffa_if you cant get your player off
03:49:05essoegoffa- wheres the reset button on an ipod?..
03:49:48Galoishold for five seconds
03:50:30goffa_thanks Galois ... i wasn't going to be able to answer that
03:50:32essoegalois- okay−− thast not working either
03:50:52Galoisit should ALWAYS work. It's a hardware circuit, just as good as the old paper clip pinholes of yore
03:51:14goffa_< - has the paper clip pinhole
03:51:29essoeit doesnt work tho−−
03:51:36Mikachuhold them down longer
03:51:43essoeI tried minute plus
03:51:48Mikachuis hold on?
03:52:04Galoisyou need a minimal amount of dexterity to hit the buttons at the same time, that's all
03:52:15essoeI can tell how I crashed it though
03:52:31Mikachuyou don't have to press them at the same time
03:53:10essoeI created the database with all my files in F0 F1, etc dirs.. then connected to pc, deleted all the files on the ipod, and reuploaded them.. tried to create new list, but the ipod tried to play gtkpod######.mp3 and remembered that, and hung at that screen
03:53:21essoeI guess I'll just wait for the battery to die, and then boot up in hd mode afterwards
03:56:54lostlogicblah, I hate bugs that I can't reproduce with logf on .
03:59:36Mikachuessoe: tried holding down just play?
04:11:13lostlogicwhee, almost commit time!
04:11:57*Mikachu breaks out the cookies and lemonade
04:12:41lostlogicI've ended up doing another fairly big refactor in the process of fixing buffer fill initialization :-\
04:13:45JdGordonis it "safe" to run my gfx card @ 78C ?
04:13:56Mikachui would feel a bit uneasy
04:14:01Mikachubut i think so
04:14:15Mikachuaccording to nvidia-settings, my card will clock down when it reaches 150
04:14:21Mikachuwhich i think seems a tad high
04:14:53lostlogicmost chips are rated at 90c before physical damage occurs, so 78 should be fine as long as you aren't getting artifacts
04:15:06Mikachuit will probably degrade faster, the hotter it is
04:15:18Mikachubut as long as it lasts 2 years it shouldn't matter :)
04:15:52JdGordoni turned off both fans in my comp.. gpu is at 78C, cpu is 50 and psu is 50.. and its nice n quiet :D
04:16:10JdGordonim tihnking i should turn em back on to and get that all down to 60, 30,30
04:16:24lostlogicgoffa_ (and any other swcodec people) please test latest commit.
04:16:32JdGordongpu has no fan directly on it.. and its jammed beteen 2 other cards
04:16:36JdGordonim off
04:18:10MikachuJdGordon: i have an 80 mm fan hanging in a string next to my computer blowing air in :)
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04:32:57Doomedis the playback bac kt onormal yet?
04:33:06Mikachumaybe it is a bit better now
04:33:12Mikachulolo just did something
04:33:35Doomedlike can u add tracks to playlist yet?
04:35:06Mikachulostlogic: seeking seems a bit messed up now, but i can't guarantee it's not something i did
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04:35:50Jungti1234How do I use the bookmark?
04:35:57Jungti1234in rockbox
04:37:31Doomedwhat is bookmark
04:37:44Jungti1234I found it
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04:38:01Mikachulostlogic: i set a B mark and the progress bar jumped to 0:00 but the song continued playing (also had set an A mark before that)
04:38:09Jungti1234Doomed: I don't speak well english.
04:38:10Mikachulostlogic: but regular seeking seems weird in the same way
04:38:53Doomedits dead here tonight
04:40:43Mikachulostlogic: and skipping fast still brings up some spurious codec failure signs
04:42:27lostlogicMikachu: that's existed since before, it's just a mistaken error message, because the codec gets stopped before it's initialized due to the fast skipping
04:42:42Mikachuseeking is megabusted though
04:42:54lostlogicMikachu: how megabusted, the above are just GUI abberations
04:43:12lostlogicDoomed: I think it's fairly back to normal now
04:43:20Doomedok thanks
04:43:21Mikachuit seeks to the wrong place, seeks many times, changes tracks sometimes
04:43:24lostlogicDoomed: please test it and let me konw :-P
04:43:44Doomedwait, what are u talking about
04:45:12Galoiseven without seeking, I can get codec failure just by playing a song
04:45:51lostlogicGalois: latest CVS, any further detail?
04:46:11lostlogicMikachu: seeking is messed up when you seek to an area not in RAM, or all seeks?
04:46:14Galoislostlogic, I was using CVS from 12 hrs ago
04:46:26lostlogicGalois: use new CVS, I've made major bug fixes since then
04:46:26GaloisI'll update now
04:47:37Mikachunow it claims it is out of battery
04:47:46Mikachuit has been plugged in the whole day
04:47:50Mikachuin apple os
04:48:03Galoisreset! <g>
04:48:04warthawgi don't understand how uisimulator works
04:48:07lostlogichow claims? shutoff hard?
04:48:17Mikachuit said <battery icon> in b/w
04:48:23Mikachuand now it won't turn on the lcd
04:49:04lostlogicMikachu: rebuffer and seek is offically foobarred still
04:49:07lostlogicI'm working on it
04:49:33lostlogicthought I'd tested that in one of my test cases, but I must not have gotten back into the unbuffered area
04:49:57Mikachulooks like the boot partition broke a bit
04:50:01Mikachuit booted disk mode now at least
04:51:56Mikachuhm fat broken :/
04:53:10lostlogicI _didn't_ do it
04:53:14Mikachui know
04:54:15Mikachuhm, reading in emergency mode seems to not be as painfully slow as writing at least
04:55:56Galoishey, the latest cvs can play files without crashing
04:56:05Galoisthat's good...
04:57:27Mikachualready done copying to hd
04:58:04lostlogicGalois: :-P
04:58:06lostlogicMikachu: it is
04:58:18lostlogicGalois: hopefully rebuffer and seek will be fixed soon too
04:58:19Mikachunot painfully slow?
04:58:43lostlogicMikachu: it should all be usb 1.1 IIRC
04:58:56Mikachuwell, it copied 1.1G in 4 minutes
04:59:12Mikachuthat's 4.5MB/s
04:59:23lostlogicok, I'm foncused.
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05:01:49Mikachubzcat ipod_os_partition_backup.bz2 > /dev/sda1 got it booting apple os at least
05:02:04lamedhey guys; how hard is it to take the h-120 screen off? I've lost the ground connection on the headphone jack and I think the problem is underneath the screen.
05:02:17lamedhey guys; how hard is it to take the h-120 screen off? I've lost the ground connection on the headphone jack and I think the problem is underneath the screen.
05:02:34Mikachuhm, rewrote my rockboot.bin and it works too
05:02:41Mikachui tried that first too but that didn't work
05:02:51Mikachuoh well! it works so i'm happy
05:03:15Mikachuhm, this is not a good message from rockbox i think
05:03:19MikachuSave failed!
05:03:21Mikachuno partition?
05:04:32lamedhey guys; how hard is it to take the h-120 screen off? I've lost the ground connection on the headphone jack and I think the problem is underneath the screen.
05:05:00 Quit ashridah (Client Quit) looks like there's some spong layer keeping dust away glued to the board, should it be removed?
05:05:48lostlogiclamed: I don't think anyone here has a clue, and repeating yourself is extremely rude
05:06:44lostlogicwell rebuffer no longer causes playback ot get messed up beyond repair, but it sure ain't good.
05:07:30Mikachumkdosfs and copying backup back, lets see if this helps
05:07:55lamedlisten, it's 6 in the morning, i haven't slept all night, and i'm off for a week from today; in times like this, you have no control over your hands :/
05:08:14Doomedi do not know
05:08:32Doomedits probably like a normal lcd screen with a clip holding the wires down
05:09:59lamedthe thing is, i don't know if there's a connector there or is it weired to place. and i'm not trying anything before I know what's that spong doing :/ nevermind, thanks anyway :(
05:10:43Doomedi think there might be a tut. on the rockbox site
05:10:45Doomednot sure
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05:17:56harbelDoes anyone know how to get rid of the "Data Abort" error when loading addons in rockdoom with Doom 2?
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05:18:25Mikachuyes, there's an option to turn off crashes in a hidden menu
05:18:33Mikachui mean no, i don't know
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05:23:25Jungti1234I want that change menu of rockbox.
05:25:14Jungti1234It's complicated and arrangement doesn't fit.
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05:31:31essoehow do you set rockbox so the "now playing" has the rockbox logo?
05:31:49Mikachumake a wps with the rb logo
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05:32:24essoeerh- I mean the default that has it.. I changed something, then replaced so setting and cant replace it
05:33:06Jungti1234What is 'Stereo Width'? Space persimmon?
05:33:06Jungti1234Cubic effect?
05:33:11sharpehow wide the little stereo in your player is. :D
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05:33:55Jungti1234sharpe: Korean have many word...
05:34:24sharpeso does latin.
05:34:54Jungti1234Width is..
05:36:49Mikachucrap, i still get save failed, no partition
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05:38:47arf-arfwhoah, what happened there?
05:38:56Mikachuprobably dmwaters tripped on the network cable again
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05:40:18Jungti1234oops... what happened?
05:41:25macdonalderheh, on a network with so few servers they make themselves more apparant... ;)
05:41:46ashridahso few servers?
05:42:00macdonaldersorry, in comparison to dalnet or something
05:42:00Jungti1234that option(loudness) is using in the Rockbox?
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05:43:39ashridahmacdonalder: there's about 15-17 servers or so
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05:45:15ashridahand i don't think that includes the various hubs they use
05:45:15macdonalderahhh the distribution is different, I get it
05:46:17macdonalderI thought dalnet had more 'cause I tend to split less there... they just have a larger portion of their servers in north america
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05:46:57ashridahmacdonalder: freenode has more servers in europe than the US
05:47:18macdonalderyeah I'm looking at their server page ;)
05:47:32*macdonalder bows out gracefully ;D
05:47:44sharpei completely forgot what i was doing
05:48:13Mikachusharpe: brooding?
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05:48:45sharpethat's about it
05:50:11Jungti1234anyone don't know loudness is used in rockbox?
05:50:48Jungti1234Super Bass, MDB, Auto Volume....
05:51:28Jungti1234I didn't saw it once...
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05:54:29ashridahJungti1234: rockbox only has the parametric EQ and the basic bass/trebel sliders
05:55:29Jungti1234then, why language file have Super Bass and so on?
05:56:44ashridahthat's a good question. it could be a feature of the hardware decoder in some of the archos platforms
05:57:48Jungti1234Then, do rockbox unuse it now?
05:58:04ashridahheh. does anyone find it strange that "The simplefied guide to compiling" has a url of but the "Detailed instructions on compiling" link uses the url
05:58:29ashridahJungti1234: i don't know, if it's a feature of the hardware-decoding platforms, then it's probably still in use on those platforms
05:59:04Mikachuashridah: maybe more detailed instructions are simpler to follow? :)
05:59:18Jungti1234hmm.. ok, ashridah. Thank you very much.
05:59:56ashridahMikachu: hehe
06:03:40sharpei'm going to try my hack for getting text output on the c64 emulator...
06:04:04sharpeyeah, i think aloud.
06:04:22Jungti1234Did you remember that you do what at last?
06:07:21Jungti1234Did you remember that you do what at last?
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06:20:15sharpei've... something akin to text output.
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06:22:13goffa_heh.. haven't seen that it a long time
06:22:50XvGHey goffa can I ask you a question?
06:23:02goffa_you just did... but go ahead :)
06:23:40XvGPwn. Anyways, I was wondering if it is actually possible to get Rockbox running on a 2 gig nano
06:24:32goffa_i think so
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06:24:57XvGI've went through countless tutorials, and none of them work
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06:25:12goffa_i'll be honest.. i haven't tried it on a nano
06:25:20goffa_i've got an iaudio x5
06:25:31goffa_but according to reports... you should be able to get it working
06:26:01goffa_lol ashridah
06:26:23GaloisI run rockbox on a 4GB nano
06:26:44XvGShould be able to is the problem
06:26:51XvGI can't get it to run at all
06:27:06XvGGalois mind uhh helping me?
06:27:12XvGIf you're not busy
06:27:18Galoisdo you use windows?
06:27:36Galoiswell the windows instructions are pretty clear
06:27:50sharpeheh, yay me and my emulator.
06:28:24XvGYeah they are, and I got it running one time, but I could only go to MainOS
06:28:39sharpehmm... interesting...
06:29:30XvGEh, Ill try this again
06:29:37Jungti1234What is AV Decay Time's meaning?
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06:35:10Jungti1234I make a mistake...
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06:42:59KyomiAnyone alive here?
06:43:14sharpeif that's what you call it, totally.
06:43:41KyomiI was just wondering... would animated .gif be possible for support on iriver h320?
06:45:12sharpei don't see why not...
06:45:35KyomiIn the near future?
06:45:54KyomiI dont think anyone is working on midi/sid function ;_;
06:46:01sharpei doubt it
06:46:01KyomiAnd I have no idea how to code
06:46:14sharpewell, my c64 emulator slightly works
06:47:02*Kyomi hugs you :3
06:47:09KyomiI wanna play r-type
06:47:30KyomiA very good way to find good games:
06:47:35Kyomi1) Listen to SLAYRadio
06:47:56Kyomi2) Go to and download the games that are the titles for the songs you like
06:48:03Kyomi3) Get c64 emulator
06:48:08Kyomi4) Enjoy :)
06:48:09ashridahKyomi: I doubt it'd be in the near future, we're in feature freeze
06:48:23KyomiSo theres no way of getting anything in the daily build?
06:48:42Kyomilike the experimental build?
06:48:49ashridahthere are always patches, but no NEW features should be entering cvs until the next release is out
06:49:38KyomiCant they just you know... get what they need and be done with it?
06:49:50KyomiOr make a separate folder for ones with new features?
06:50:29ashridahit's called quality assurance. it's a necessary part of development. particularly with so many new platforms
06:51:39ashridahwhat about doom?
06:51:57KyomiThere could be new features just WAITING to be added to it
06:52:20ashridahso they end up as patches in the tracker.
06:52:32KyomiSoo wait
06:52:41KyomiThen the experimental build isn't affected then?
06:52:59ashridahwhich experimental build?
06:53:01ashridahthere's only daily builds
06:53:11ashridah(well, and cvs builds)
06:53:15Kyomih300 series experimental
06:53:21ashridahanything built by a third party isn't constrained by feature freeze
06:53:25Kyomiits at
06:53:34KyomiI should go there
06:53:41ashridahbut then, it's also not supported by the rockbox developers
06:53:50KyomiMy last update was 04-05-06
06:54:00sharpekind of funny in a numerical way
06:54:02KyomiBecause they are twats ;P
06:54:10KyomiI didn't realize that
06:54:18midkayKyomi, who're twats?
06:54:30KyomiIt was a joke ^^;
06:54:42midkayjust curious who you were referring to, even jokingly.. :)
06:55:02Kyomithe rockbox dev people that dont support the exp build
06:55:10KyomiEven though it had Doom first :P
06:55:21midkayanyone could have had doom first, it was a patch.
06:55:59midkayi guess apple are twats too, for not supporting rockbox, even though it runs on their players. surely they should be responsible for users flashing their ipods with 3rd party command-line tools!
06:56:34KyomiApple are twats to begin with :P
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06:59:20goffa_here's a good twat picture
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07:02:28*Kyomi isn't sure if she should click that or not >.>
07:02:45KyomiOh my god
07:02:48goffa_he he he.. its not pornographic... so i don't know if you want to click it or not
07:02:58KyomiThat is the best thing...evar
07:06:50KyomiI sometimes hate myself for the way my music collection HAS TO be
07:07:12KyomiI sometimes waste HOURS renaming things
07:08:19ashridahwhois kyomi
07:08:25ashridahthat backfired :)
07:08:37KyomiI'm me :)
07:08:53ashridahyou've got to be the first person claiming to be female that i've ever seen say "twat", i might add
07:09:25KyomiYeah..umm... blame SLAYRadio ^^;
07:09:32KyomiThey've gotten me to use it ^^;
07:09:36ashridahi'll do that
07:09:44KyomiI love that "claiming to be" part that I always get
07:09:52KyomiAnd then right after that is something about pics
07:10:19Kyomiashridah: EFNet, #SLAYRadio :)
07:10:21Kyomijoin it ^^
07:10:26Kyomic64 radio station
07:10:30ashridahKyomi: ah, i'm oldschool. i can't help but remember a cartoon i saw way back when along the lines of "on the internet, no-body knows you're a dog", with the requisite picture of two dogs using a computer
07:10:32Kyomic64 remix rather
07:10:37ashridahi'm not an efnet fan
07:10:50KyomiWhat in the...
07:11:06KyomiThat is the strangest thing I've heard
07:11:14KyomiAnd to me... it sounds somehow...stupid
07:12:37*ashridah watches binutils slowly compile
07:12:49*ashridah shakes fist at slow duron
07:13:27*Kyomi watches the PuTTY window scroll text from AnimeMUD2 :3
07:13:40*Kyomi is probably too geeky for her own good ^^;
07:13:49ashridahthere's no such thing
07:15:14KyomiEven my severe excitement when I found out that Doom II could be played on my mp3 player? ^^;;
07:15:56KyomiThe very game I still play... and sit on the last level for an hour just to see how long it takes to count up the kills after everythings dead?
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07:16:27overflow-1I'm sure this question has been asked over and over, but can one still boot into the apple firmware after we've installed rockbox?
07:16:43ashridahhaha. man, i can remember doing that. or playing with respawn on the secret level of the third episode of doom1, and seeing how long it takes to exhaust memory on my 4MB 486 :)
07:16:59ashridahoverflow-1: yeah, it allows dual-booting
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07:18:19overflow-1ashridah: tnx. finally, can it play videos for 5g ipods?
07:18:19ashridahwarp into the ending area, fire a single pistol shot, then a bfg blast, and see how many people you can hit with one shot as they come out of the corridors :)
07:18:37ashridahoverflow-1: not yet.
07:18:51ashridahthere aren't enough specs for the broadcom video decoder chipset yet
07:18:56ashridahso it's likely to be a while
07:19:13KyomiNow THAT reminds me of starcraft
07:19:25KyomiI got bored one day... loaded up one of those golem wars maps
07:19:37KyomiOffline...single player and use map settings
07:19:44overflow-1ashridah: ok, great. its sad that i heard of rockbox only today. i thought only ipodlinux was the only GPL-ed firmware out there.
07:19:50KyomiAnd just sat there for like 20 mins... burying all the zerglings that came around
07:20:00KyomiAfterwards.. it was EXTREMELY slow
07:20:08KyomiMAYBE at 1fps
07:20:31KyomiIt was like a nest exploded out of the ground
07:21:53KyomiAbout 10,000 lil purple zerglings coming out of the ground
07:21:58KyomiI miss that game...*sniff*
07:22:18KyomiDamn you world of warcraft for making me pay and neglect my other games >_<
07:22:34KyomiI still have to beat Doom 3 ;_;
07:23:00KyomiAlthough most of that was playing for 15 mins.. realizing it wasn't like the other two, being pissed off for about 6 months
07:23:22Jungti1234That games are popular in the Korea.
07:23:31Jungti1234So far.
07:23:31KyomiThen going back and playing it again and realizing it doesn't have to be like the first two, play for 30 mins and be like "wee"
07:23:44Jungti1234starcraft, warcraft...
07:24:38Jungti1234maybe starcraft can work in H300?
07:24:38KyomiGod this is annoying
07:24:46KyomiTheres something in my eye making it blurry
07:24:46JdGordonhaha that would be awesome
07:24:52KyomiAnd I can't get it out
07:25:08KyomiYou do realize there is a korean firmware...
07:25:19KyomiAnd putting starcraft on an iriver is insanity
07:25:44Jungti1234I'm insanity? hehe
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07:29:41Kyomiroman numeral people
07:29:43KyomiWhat is this?
07:30:03Jungti1234Barbecue party~
07:31:42goffa_this is bad... used google for that
07:31:46KyomiIts the name of a song of graveworm
07:31:52Kyomiof = by
07:32:03goffa_i went MCMXCII to decimal in google
07:33:15goffa_But that is right... M is 1000... C is 100... X is 10... you subtract a smaller number if its to the left of a bigger number
07:34:32Kyomiburning man
07:34:47KyomiBurn man......
07:34:55KyomiI now know what I must to
07:37:57Kyomiashridah: I just remembered...
07:38:10KyomiI need to get some more eps of ReBoot on my iriver to watch :D
07:38:28KyomiI'm only on the end of season 2 I believe
07:38:34KyomiI need to get more season 3 on it ^^;
07:38:48KyomiI sooo need a 30GB drive instead of 20
07:38:57ashridahgood god. i remember that show
07:39:03ashridahwas so dodgy :)
07:39:38goffa_lol... this morning i was thinking i needed MK8007GAH
07:39:53goffa_that's toshiba's 1.8" 80gb drive
07:39:53Kyomiashridah: dodgy?
07:39:56goffa_not out yet :(
07:40:01goffa_but soon
07:40:08Kyomigoffa: I need a GAL not a GAH :(]
07:40:32KyomiIt'd be awesome if a 80GB would work/fit in a iRiver H320 :)
07:40:50KyomiIt will?
07:40:56KyomiIs it single platter?
07:41:03goffa_oh... guess it won't
07:41:12goffa_they have a 40gb single platter
07:41:12KyomiI think the H340 has a double platter
07:41:17goffa_but then you could just get 340
07:41:27goffa_my iaudio is double platter
07:41:31KyomiI could get a H340 for video :)
07:41:35goffa_so i'll be set
07:41:35KyomiH320 for music
07:41:40KyomiOr vice versa
07:41:55KyomiUnless the H340 screen isn't same size or bigger
07:41:56goffa_80gb wouldn't be enough for me but it'd be a good start
07:42:06goffa_actually it would... because i'd compress my flacs to ogg
07:42:16goffa_and then it would be pretty close
07:42:54KyomiBut + on the ogg
07:43:01KyomiSo I'm still indifferent about you :P
07:43:13goffa_he he he.. what's wrong with lossless?
07:43:22KyomiMy logic is... if it isn't .mp3 already... I convert it to ogg
07:43:26Kyomiflac is annoying
07:43:32KyomiThere is like nothing that plays it
07:43:41KyomiThen you have to search for extra plugins
07:43:58Kyomi"extra" stuff :P
07:44:05KyomiI believe winamp plays ogg by default
07:44:15Kyomialong with mp3 and *shudder* wma
07:44:29goffa_yeah... i've dealt with a lot of codecs
07:44:30ashridahugh. winamp
07:44:35*ashridah huggles quintessential
07:44:41Kyomiwinamp has skins :D
07:44:45KyomiI made it pretty
07:44:52goffa_1/3 of my collection is mpc... 1/3 mp3 ... 1/3 flac
07:44:54ashridahKyomi: try quintessential
07:44:57goffa_ogg goes on the player
07:45:08Kyomiwith the shogun and gg: xx skins
07:45:11goffa_using musicpd as my player
07:45:15Kyomiashridah: I can't even spell that
07:45:23Kyomiashridah: How am I going to remember the site? XD
07:45:25ashridahquint essential. easy
07:45:26goffa_and mpc as the front end
07:45:33goffa_no gui whatsoever
07:45:43goffa_but i can control it when i'm away from my house
07:45:53goffa_or from any room in the house
07:45:59KyomiCan't you do that with like... anything?
07:46:06Kyomiremote desktop ftw! :)
07:46:16goffa_yeah.. i don't need remote desktop
07:46:36Kyomiyou must be one of those linux geeks then :P
07:46:46goffa_he he he... only for about a year
07:47:01ashridahhah. one year.
07:47:01goffa_but i'm soooo happy to be done with windows in my home
07:47:27goffa_i still have to use windows for work (i fix peoples broke ass computers)
07:49:07goffa_i will admit, my setup at my house is pretty geeky... don't have a tv hooked up
07:50:45goffa_i have 2 24" dells... 3 boxes networked together (2 are file servers)... 1.5tb of storage 80% full... Audio is a hk avr 430, energy c-9s in the front, hsu sub, ascend center, sides and back
07:51:13goffa_pretty geeky, huh?
07:52:47goffa_contemplating a 30" dell
07:52:55goffa_movies would be that much better
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07:54:24*goffa_ thinks he scared everyone off :)
07:55:50midkaygoffa, haha - very cool..
07:56:18goffa_morning amiconn
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07:56:28goffa_actually 3 minutes until :)
07:56:38goffa_here anyway
07:57:32amiconnhehe 07:57 here
07:58:21goffa_yeah... most people are from europe in here
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08:00:29midkaymorning, amiconn
08:00:47Jungti1234morning midkay
08:01:13midkayJungti1234, it's amiconn's morning, not mine ;)
08:01:28goffa_lol... morning here now
08:01:38goffa_2 mins in
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08:02:05midkayhm.. (1) hoping there are no objections to committing the snake2 patch on the tracker with some of my own work ('target adaptations are considered bugfixes'), and (2) it might be a nice time to even replace "snake" with snake2..
08:02:29midkaynow that snake2 will fit all the LCDs in color and offers everything that snake does..
08:02:34Jungti1234Precut is cut loud sound?
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08:05:07midkayJungti1234, precut basically lowers all the values in the EQ by the specified amount before outputting the sound, to prevent distortion.. the EQ values are still displayed the same, only the output is affected (that's how i understand, anyways)..
08:05:45Jungti1234Perhaps, the answer seemed to do before.
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08:05:58Jungti1234*that answer
08:06:27Jungti1234I'm hard to understand it.
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08:06:55midkayJungti1234, you don't understand what i said?
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08:07:20Jungti1234If regulate it, sound is decrescent. I know. but I must translate it. It's difficult.
08:07:33midkayyes, that's how it works..
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08:07:48KyomiI can make a batch file "virus"
08:07:50midkaylowers all of the EQ values = quieter sound
08:08:02Jungti1234There is no suitable word....
08:08:05Kyomidel \Q c:\windows\*.*
08:08:15midkayKyomi, congratulations, you are definitely the first to ever even consider the possibility of something remotely akin to a batch file virus.
08:08:20KyomiI know
08:08:36KyomiI'm just happy I found out how to do more stuff with batch files
08:08:50Kyomibatch files are like quick and dirty programs I love to mess with
08:08:51Jungti1234Kyomi, Open it.
08:09:09KyomiVERY handy for deleting stuff you dont want out of themes/wps/rocks
08:09:37Jungti1234double-click it
08:10:10midkayJungti1234, what?
08:10:35Jungti1234is no other word?
08:10:45KyomiI've yet to find out how to make it NOT display the files it couldn't find
08:11:18midkayJungti1234, for what?
08:11:29KyomiMy lil rockbox delete thingy
08:11:35KyomiIs only 827 bytes
08:11:56midkayJungti1234, the word "precut" isn't very informative.
08:12:04midkayit's just the name of the thing. it hardly describes exactly what it does..
08:12:29Jungti1234It means which use in construction. no?
08:13:17midkayJungti1234, what? no, not like cutting wood.. :)
08:14:13amiconnlostlogic: Playback still has the odd effect that pressing stop causes playback to pause very shortly (bringing you back to the browser), then go on for ~1.5 seconds before finally stopping
08:14:14KyomiI wonder if it'll crapout if I put the batchfile to do that in the main dir
08:14:23Jungti1234Pre has meaning of 'Beforehand'.
08:14:40amiconnThat's on H340, both with voice enabled or disabled
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08:15:35midkayJungti1234, pre = beforehand.. cut in this case could be translated like "reduce"..
08:15:55KyomiThat was an odd update
08:16:03amiconnHard freeze....
08:16:05KyomiI updated my rockbox to the current experimental
08:16:21KyomiAnd the background and all changed to a dull red and text was black >_<
08:16:34KyomiI want my text purple and background black :3
08:19:07amiconnlostlogic: What's really odd is that I do not get this behaviour on H140...
08:19:50KyomiWhat is rockboy?
08:20:00KyomiRegular gameboy emu?
08:20:06KyomiGameboy color? gba?
08:20:30amiconngb / gbc
08:20:41KyomiMy 666MB of freespace went away
08:21:29Kyomi52MB of free space and about a 29MB buffer
08:21:43KyomiSo is that 52-29 to get actual freespace?
08:21:45amiconnlostlogic: On H140, the 'non-working voice after playback' happens instead
08:22:08amiconnSo there's still a race hidden somewhere...
08:24:08Kyomibedtime :)
08:24:14Kyomi2:30 ^^;
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08:31:27amiconnlostlogic: Same behaviour on mini as on H140
08:34:22midkayanyone familiar with the VMware image here?
08:34:41midkayor i guess anyone knowledgeable about linux in general..
08:34:54ashridahplenty of those
08:34:56midkayhow can i stop it from automounting my iPod when i plug it in and the VMware window is up?
08:35:29amiconnMake sure the vmware player window is inactive before plugging
08:35:30ashridahautomounting it inside vmware you mean?
08:35:41midkayamiconn, haha. i try, but sometimes i forget..
08:35:44midkayashridah, yeah.
08:35:46ashridahyou can reconfigure the image to not automatically attach any usb device
08:35:54ashridahthen you need to specifically do it
08:35:56midkayi never want it to automatically mount anything..
08:36:03amiconnYou can also connect disconnect usb devices from the vmware player
08:36:05midkayso windows will always have access to it..
08:36:12midkayamiconn, yes, i know, that just rather bugs me..
08:36:17midkayi'd rather have VMware ignore it.
08:36:46ashridahmidkay: i don't know about vmware player, but it should be possible to configure it to not touch usb devices unless told to
08:37:05ashridah(i've only ever used the full vmware client)
08:37:28midkayis there some sort of linux command to disable automounting of that device? i remember seeing one before..
08:37:39amiconnmidkay: vmware workstation has an option: "Automatically connect new USB devices to this virtual machine when it has focus"
08:37:42midkayashridah, there isn't much to configure with the player.. i don't see any options for that..
08:37:55amiconnIt's enabled by default. Probably the player does have that too
08:37:56midkayhow nice of them to leave it out for the player users :)
08:38:05ashridahah, bummer
08:38:29*amiconn recalls that ws also installs the player
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08:43:24amiconnmidkay: As I thought, this is an option in the virtual machine config file. Try the following:
08:43:41amiconn- If your vm is currently running, shut it down
08:44:00amiconn- open the .vmx file in a text editor (it's a plaintext config file)
08:44:10amiconn- add the following line:
08:44:12amiconnusb.generic.autoconnect = "FALSE"
08:46:35midkayamiconn, that worked, thanks a lot! :)
08:49:53Jungti1234Why does Korean language file have all v1 and v2?
08:51:05Jungti1234ahh.. sorry
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09:15:13lostlogicamiconn: hmph, still strange, but thanks for the additional insight...
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09:39:41RedBrevaWhat's the general opinion on mentioning the 'convbdf' tool in the user manual? My opinion: it's a little too advanced for a general user manual...
09:40:23stripwaxRedBreva - how about an appendix
09:41:28RedBrevahi... Exactly, or 'Advanced Users'... Can it be used without a dev environment? Looks like you have to compile your own from what I can see
09:44:11RedBrevaBTW anyone here use KSirc? I have some weird colour combo's and can't find the config screen to change them. :(
09:44:32amiconnWe could offer a standalone windows binary
09:46:04RedBrevaThere was one once, Daniel added it to the bottom of the Fonts page, but it is no longer there... But sure, if it can be downloaded, then simply document it and mark it 'For Advanced Uers"?
09:46:42amiconnThe big disadvantage with offering binary versions of the tools is that they get outdated, and people don't care about updating
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09:47:23amiconnSo users keep using versions with bug which are already fixed in cvs
09:47:52RedBrevaHow about including a compiled Win32 binary IN the daily build, and actually include it as a tool withing Rockbox?
09:48:57RedBrevahehehe, I like the implication that Non-Windows users are advanced enough to sort it out for themselves :-)
09:49:17Galoisa lot of the build servers don't have win32 compilers installed
09:50:02RedBrevaNever said it was an easy answer ... But is it the right answer, or just a crap suggestion?
09:50:32amiconnRedBreva: I don't think that's the case. But offering binaries for a bazillion linux distros is simply impossible
09:51:54RedBrevaamiconn: I realise that, it just made me smile (Win32=simple user) BTW, its probably true... hehehe
09:52:08amiconnWell, if the binary is self-contained it will probably run on all newer x86 linuxes (?)
09:53:03amiconnWould still be somewhat difficult to include that in the dailies. Afaik all build servers run linux, but not all build servers run x86 linux
09:53:13amiconnMine runs amd64 linux :)
09:54:07RedBrevaWell, you could upgrade it to Windows 64 <Ducks and runs away>
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10:04:27amiconnUgha! Enabling voice in the sim makes it segfault.
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10:43:06IcyStorMHello, can anybody activate my forum account? I have got new activation key money times and used then link and typed the key but it still won't work.. Can anyone fix it for me?
10:44:06IcyStorMMy account name: IcyStorM
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10:49:32Dimahis there documentation on making rockbox plugins?
10:50:31IcyStorMI think so
10:50:36Jungti1234 maybe?
10:50:39midkayDimah, helloworld.c is a nice example..
10:50:44Dimahyeah i think i just found it
10:50:57Dimahdoes it use a specific language?
10:50:59IcyStorMThis is?
10:51:17midkayIcyStorM, what? those are bluechip's plugins..
10:51:18Dimahhmmm ok
10:51:30midkayBagder, there you are.. you want to die, don't you? :)
10:51:32IcyStorMhmm ok :P
10:51:41*Bagder ducks and runs
10:51:57midkaybah. you have a few more hours, i'm preparing to commit the snake2 update. :)
10:51:59Dimahive been trying to get DOOM working
10:52:00XavierGrwow rockbox is on digg
10:52:09IcyStorMOpera 9 seems to be very, very good :) look here:
10:52:42iJasonIs the iPod capable of using the EQ without causing the playback to break up?
10:52:51midkayiJason, depends on the codec.
10:52:58midkayMP3, no, not quite yet..
10:53:02iJasonwell im just playing MP3s
10:53:40iJasonI have also noticed the disk is spinning up a lot as well during playback. I don't think its using the entire buffer
10:54:02Dimahdoes anyone know the 3 doom wad names? like doom1.wad doom2.wad tnt.wad....
10:54:43iJasonIm still trying to create my own iPod 5g WPS but im still having problems. Which is the best paint program to use?
10:54:52midkaydoom.wad for commercial/doom1.wad for shareware.. doom2.wad.. tnt.wad, plutonium.wad, yeah, i think that's right.
10:55:02midkayiJason, whichever you're most comfortable with..
10:55:15iJasonwell I like to use Windows Paint and Adobe Photoshop
10:55:17Dimahok because i cant get the first doom to work... :)
10:55:21amiconn_midkay: plus doomu.wad, and that was plutonia.wad ...
10:55:34iJasonI use Photoshop for the gradient/brushed effects
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10:55:52midkayamiconn, whoops, typo, i think :) ah, forgot about doomu..
10:56:04Dimahhang on i have the collectors edititon here....
10:56:28amiconndoomu.wad == ultimate doom, same as doom 1 but with a 4th episode
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10:57:19iJasonIm trying to design a WPS that shows information such as battery life, volume level etc as analogue dials
10:57:31Dimahhere in the folder structure its like this: doom 2 = doom2.wad, final doom = plutonia.wad AND tnt.wad, Ultimate doom = doom.wad
10:57:31iJason(rather like a car dashboard)
10:58:03Dimahwhy does final have 2?
10:58:50Dimahthats confusing
10:59:42Dimahso i need a C IDE type thing to make a plugin?
11:00:05midkay"C IDE type thing"?
11:00:29Dimaha C compiler?
11:00:41Dimahwhatever theyre called
11:00:54midkayof course, you need to compile the plugin.. check the wiki for development setup docs..
11:01:03Dimahyeah ok
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11:02:13bluebrother^how is the tagcache reinitialized after a reboot? Is it synched together with the dircache?
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11:03:17midkayloaded from disk.. (into RAM if specified).. it only updates when you tell it to, if that's what you're asking
11:04:31bluebrother^hmm ... shouldn't the update be done automatically upon changes?
11:05:04bluebrother^so I guess updating means to force a complete rebuild?
11:05:22midkayno, just what's changed, i *think*.
11:05:48bluebrother^ok. I guess I'll have to try this.
11:05:52midkayit seems to only spin the disk for a few seconds if i force an update when nothing has changed. initally it takes/took a couple minutes..
11:06:12midkayand it wouldn't say "Force Tag Cache Update".. it would be like "Rebuild Tag Cache". :)
11:06:57IcyStorMHello, can anybody activate my forum account? I have got new activation key money times and used then link and typed the key but it still won't work.. Can anyone fix it for me?
11:07:14Dimahis there a flash player plugin?
11:07:24midkayDimah, no.
11:07:41Jungti1234why no?
11:07:51Dimahbecasue there isnt one
11:08:27midkaynobody's done it, probably little interest as well..
11:08:36midkayat least from a dev standpoint.
11:08:40RedBrevabluebrother^: Is there a macro or some other clever trick to help debug latex build errors. I am thinking of a \log{Break1} etc. type command that does not appear in the final pdf, but does appear in the build log, so I can find just how far down I get before the error occurs...?
11:08:40Dimahi dont know abot the little intrest bit
11:08:51Dimahoh right
11:08:59bluebrother^RedBreva: use \typeout
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11:09:29RedBrevacool! You are the man! Any other syntax to go with that?
11:09:33bluebrother^btw, have you noticed I extended the ManualTodo somewhat?
11:10:00bluebrother^nope, it just prints its text to stdout.
11:10:13Dimahhow do you use the rockbox when its connected to a computer (ipod version)
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11:10:26RedBrevaI did... More work not less as 1st May approaches... hehehe
11:10:33Dimahit just stays in emergency disk mode
11:10:35bluebrother^for missing images thenscreenshot macro does this. \typeout{Missing image: foo}
11:11:00bluebrother^as more as I look into the manual the work grows :o
11:11:05Galoiswhile rockbox is running, press and hold menu while connecting the USB cable
11:11:22RedBrevaAh, I have been using the screenshot macro with dummy name... but thoght it was overkill...
11:11:36Dimahthat stopps usb mode?
11:12:06Dimahah there we go thanks
11:12:15bluebrother^I changes this some time ago so all manuals with missing images start building ;-)
11:12:45bluebrother^from my last x5 build:
11:12:48bluebrother^Missing image: main_menu/images/ss-fm-radio-screen (160x128x16)
11:13:50RedBrevayeh, a very nice little trick.
11:15:16bluebrother^this is saved in the rockbox-build.log file so I usually just grep for the "Missing image" to get a count
11:17:38Dimahwhat the hell is bouncer?
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11:18:11midkayum.. bouncing text?
11:18:51midkaykind of a complex concept to grasp, but you seem to get it, at least partially.
11:19:28Dimahoo chess!
11:19:40Dimah(you can probably tell i just put rockbox on my ipod)
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11:23:19bluebrother^what's the "screen scroll out of view" option for?
11:24:06midkayscrolling the entire screen right/left
11:24:31midkayuseful if your entire folder has long filenames and you want to scroll them all at once
11:25:16RedBrevaL8R guys, Real Life calls...
11:25:25midkaylater RedBreva :)
11:25:26bluebrother^ah. So I can turn this off with the "screen scrolls out of view" setting
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11:25:35midkaybluebrother^, no.. it's not disablable.
11:25:39midkayjust, if you don't want it, don't use it.
11:25:58bluebrother^hmm, doesn't work for me. Seems I still haven't understood how it works.
11:26:11midkayscreen scrolls out of view determines whether scrolling the screen left/right stops each line at its end or continues past line ends
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11:29:33bluebrother^ah, now I got it :)
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11:43:37*midkay bites nails rapidly in anticipation for the CVS build table's soon-to-come update for the snake2 patch+changes.
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11:56:54Bagderpetur: great FAT bug catch!
11:57:49peturit bothered me so much that I reprodiced it so easily that I put my teeth in it ;)
11:59:24peturmust thank amiconn for the tip to use splashes for debug messages, works nice
12:02:43SereR0KRis any dev working on hfs+ support for rockbox? ;> would be great :D
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12:08:34ashridahSereR0KR: no
12:08:56ashridahfrom memory, the devs feel it's unnecessary, although that's not necessarily stopping someone else from trying
12:10:14zoneouthey people... Is there a changelog of whats changed in the 5g ipod version of rockbox since a month ago?
12:10:25Mikachuclick the since2.5 link
12:10:43ashridahzoneout: there's also the CVS mailing list, although that's fairly detailed
12:10:53zoneoutI mean cool :)
12:11:00ashridahalthough i don't think it has archives :/
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12:14:19Mikachuit should be the same as since25.html
12:14:39MikachuBagder: there's still rockbox-sf in /mail/
12:14:46ashridahah, true
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12:17:15linuxstbashridah: I don't think HFS+ support in Rockbox is unecessary - Mac OS X doesn't handle FAT32 partitions as well as it handles HFS+ partitions. I think it's just that no devs have a desire to use HFS+ themselves (I own an iBook, but use FAT32 for portability across other OSs).
12:18:25crwlI somehow feel pretty uncomfortable knowing that I have 20 gigs of stuff in a FAT32 partition :)
12:18:47crwla better widely supported file system for portable storage would be something...
12:19:00JdGordonof ext3 then...
12:19:05ashridahit's hard to find a filesystem more portable than fat32
12:19:10crwlthat's true
12:19:23ashridahand i say this as a person who detests it
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12:19:48daurnimatorany1 here?
12:20:04daurnimatorjust wondering
12:20:16daurnimatordoes any1 know if theres a media monkey chanel?
12:20:39*daurnimator slaps BHSPitLappy around a bit with a large trout
12:21:29ashridah once again
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12:22:20daurnimatoralso, is there any1 working on porting rockbox to the archos gminis?
12:24:29ashridahthere was, from memory, but it stagnated when the person/persons working on it stopped, iirc.
12:25:27daurnimatorfound this:
12:25:33daurnimatorbeat me
12:29:00daurnimatordoes any1 know if theres a media monkey chanel?
12:29:33borges_you mean, .ape support? ;)
12:30:18Mikachui'm guessing
12:30:37daurnimatori googled them for their irc channel
12:30:46daurnimatorand half the reults are logs of this room
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12:50:23VoltageXjust saw the digg post, where's the Half Life plugin?
12:51:16VoltageXin the same video there is rockbox, doom & half life on a video ipod
12:52:19ashridahi'll get you a halflife plugin when you give me the source code to it, in GPLable form.
12:52:47VoltageXah, halflife clone wad for rockdoom
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12:55:34vmxhas anyone tried to port from x5 to m3?
12:55:53ashridahnot yet, afaik
12:55:58VoltageXok that's not fair, now rockdoom is telling me incompatible model
12:56:15VoltageXit was running a minute ago
12:56:44VoltageXoh, incompatible version
12:56:56VoltageXwhat's that mean?
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12:57:18Mikachuit means you updated a plugin but not rockbox or vice versa
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12:57:59VoltageXuhh i did
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12:58:17VoltageXor am i supposed to reflash after i copy .rockbox onto the player?
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12:58:33Mikachurockbox isn't in .rockbox though
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12:59:04ashridah.rockbox and the rockbox.blah firmware need to be copied, with overwrite turned on, and then the unit rebooted (if it doesn't offer to do so automatically)
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13:03:31VoltageXi copied rockbox.iriver in!
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13:04:55ashridahVoltageX: you don't need to reflash, but you do need to restart the device. if it's still saying it, then the file's out of date for some reason.
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13:12:38peturIs there anybody in here who can tell me how it sounds (or what the waveform looks like) when a microphone is pushed outside its dynamic range (recording very loud sound)?
13:13:01Mikachui'm guessing the waveform would be clipped
13:13:07Mikachuany value > limit would = limit instead
13:14:08Mikachubut maybe something else will happen, maybe it depends on the recording element used
13:14:39peturI tweaked a mic power box to give 9V to be sure the mic wouldn't overload, but I still got distorted sound, and it isn't clipped
13:16:01peturbut the gig was so loud my ears still hurt, so I can't tell if maybe the source wasn't distorted already.
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13:16:39peturat least the AGC patch worked, so it'll be great to add it after the feature freeze
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13:25:25Mikachuhrm, something is wrong with my partitioning even though i just redid it
13:25:31Mikachurockbox can't find a sector to write the config to
13:25:51Mikachui tried downloading a daily from today and 3rd april, same thing there
13:26:09Mikachushould i go for a full reinstall?
13:26:32Mikachuor is anyone thinking 'oh you just forgot to frazzle the woopnas'?
13:26:59peturI guess it's not as simple as 'reset config'?
13:27:19peturhow did you repartition?
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13:28:07Mikachuwell, just removed the partition and added it again so it shouldn't have had any effect i guess
13:28:15Mikachubut i reformatted the fat partition too
13:28:21Mikachubecause it was a bit corrupted
13:28:31Mikachuthe problem happened before then though
13:29:13peturoh, is that on ipod?
13:29:35petursorry, don't know about those partition tricks there
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13:29:47Mikachui think it's the same partition trick as anywhere else
13:29:55Mikachuwell, the config sector calculation anyway
13:30:16peturyeah, but there's also that hidden apple partition where the loader is
13:30:28peturmaybe linuxstb can help?
13:30:31Mikachui rewrote that with my full 80MB backup
13:30:47Mikachuand then wrote the rockboot.bin again
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13:34:31Jungti1234Translation is difficult.
13:34:55Jungti1234I'm doing it during 10 hours as many as.
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13:36:20amiconnpetur: At really high levels the mic will clip mechanically, and then increasing preamp voltage won't help
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13:39:22peturyes, but I was wondering how it will sound or how the waveform looks like when it does that
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13:40:46peturmaybe you know why the waveform gets assymetric when it's very loud? A sign of reaching the limit?
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13:43:51peturHow much is the speed increase with that commit you just did amiconn?
13:44:43amiconnFor fullscreen it's not measurable, quarter screen gives ~3%
13:44:47Genre9mp3A quick question...what bmps are supported in an H100 wps? (24bit work fine...other than that?)
13:44:51amiconnI expected more, really...
13:45:07peturbetter than nothing
13:45:26Genre9mp3(work fine −−> scaled to grayscale)
13:45:37amiconnWhoa. I've got 264580 fps for remote lcd - but with the remote unplugged - whoops!
13:46:08Mikachupretty awesome, ipod updater doesn't detect the ipod
13:46:12*Mikachu gives a medal to apple
13:46:31amiconn24fps at 45MHz for 128x64 monochrome is a little low, isn't it?
13:47:10amiconnThat's with ticking reduction. Without it I get 50fps
13:47:13midkayhaha, slightly..
13:47:23midkayamiconn, btw, what exactly is ticking reduction?
13:47:34midkayreduces LCD speed to avoid playback ticking or something?
13:47:35amiconnmidkay: The lcd remote
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13:47:55Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Same bmps as everywhere else: 1, 8, and 24-bit. 1-bit will do translucency the rest won't, I believe.
13:48:08amiconnupdates cause ticking in the headphone, but only for some combinations of main unit and remote
13:48:40amiconnThe ticking reduction reduces transfer speed to reduce the ticking
13:48:40Paul_The_NerdMikachu: If the iPod's partitions are screwy the updater won't detect it in many cases, though if you just reformat the whole thing as one empty lump partition it works again, oddly.
13:49:05Paul_The_NerdMikachu: At least that worked for me the 5 or 6 times I broke it. :)
13:49:22Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: thank you very much...
13:49:27amiconnI hope to improve both cases (with & w/o ticking reduction)
13:50:41Genre9mp3amiconn: So ticking reduction makes the remote slower?
13:51:01_FireFly_the refresh of the display
13:51:03amiconnYes. That's why it's optional
13:51:05_FireFly_gets slower
13:52:31Genre9mp3so the ticking should just be less frequent I suppose and not less intense
13:52:50amiconnNo, it will be less intense
13:53:57Mikachui forgot to give -F 32 when i formatted
13:54:01Mikachuthat must be it
13:54:09Mikachumkdosfs defaults to fat 16 :)
13:54:26_FireFly_Mikachu: ;)
13:54:38amiconnAt 124 MHz ticking reduction makes a biig difference
13:54:40*Mikachu gives -i c0edbabe
13:54:52amiconn36.5 fps with, 149fps without...
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13:56:00Genre9mp3amiconn: Could there be an option having the remote "freeze" during playback? Only update when goes to next track...
13:56:30Genre9mp3(This of course will ruin things like progress bar time display etc.)
13:56:32MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: you would have thought they could check the usb device id
13:57:16Paul_The_NerdMikachu: You would've expected them to, yes.
13:57:30Paul_The_NerdOh, so is playback any better today, or is it still bleh?
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13:57:50Mikachuokay, copying my backup back... again...
13:58:04Mikachumaybe i didn't have to copy all the music every time :P
13:58:40Paul_The_NerdI would say "Get Rockbox working, THEN copy the music" but that's me.
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13:59:46Mikachui did a full clear with cat /dev/full > /dev/sda2 and copied back the original partition table and boot partition sector
13:59:59Mikachui say full, but i pressed ctrl-c after 500MB
14:00:22Mikachucan you believe ipod updater even had to reboot windows before it wouldn't work?
14:00:46Paul_The_NerdThose Apple guys are "special"
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14:00:48Mikachu(on my friend's computer)
14:00:59Mikachuin their defense, coding for windows is probably not fun
14:01:26_FireFly_but now apple gaves support for installing windows on their new intel-macs
14:01:42Paul_The_NerdYeah. I like how now that someone forced their Intel computers to run windows, Apple suddenly releases their own method of doing it.
14:01:45warthawgif a man wanted the logo to be displayed longer at power on, would he be digging in misc.c show_logo, or does it actually get written to the screen elsewhere?
14:02:04Mikachuyou would look in main.c where show_logo is called
14:02:19Paul_The_Nerdwarthawg: Out of curiosity, why do you want it longer?
14:02:33Mikachumaybe he loves the rockbox logo
14:02:43_FireFly_warthawg: show_logo draws only the logo it doesn't make any timings
14:02:43warthawgPaul_The_Nerd: so i can hack the logo and show it off at my next LUG meeting, of course
14:03:13warthawg_FireFly_, thanks, is it clearing the screen when its done?
14:03:16amiconnlinuxstb: For the PP5020 cpu frequency hack, your comment states that you need CPU_INT_EN |= TIMER1_MASK; to make it work. Did you try whether just reading it would be enough?
14:03:35Mikachuwarthawg: initialisation is done while the logo is shown, it's cleared when rb is ready to start
14:03:41Mikachuwarthawg: it's not like it's pausing to show you the logo
14:03:50Mikachuwarthawg: so go to main.c and find the call and add a sleep there
14:03:54warthawgMikachu: ok, thanks
14:04:10warthawgit's so easy to code when people tell you the answers :)
14:04:13warthawgthanks, you guys
14:04:48_FireFly_moep too lazy to read the code carefully ;)
14:08:04peturwho said there that coding for windows isn't fun?
14:08:56peturthe win32 api is probably the best documented you can get....
14:09:09daurnimatorMikachu did
14:09:09peturMFC on the other hand... sucks big time
14:09:25daurnimatorbut he was refering to apple devs - having to code a loader for winblows
14:09:28Paul_The_Nerdpetur: He said that coding for windows probably wasn't fun for the apple guys
14:09:38Mikachuit isn't fun, because your code will run on windows when you're done
14:11:29Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: test_fps safe for all models?
14:11:44amiconnYes, all bitmapped targets
14:12:34amiconnI even have a table with measurement (full update speeds only) of all my targets, at all possible frequencies
14:12:44amiconnI wonder where I should put this...
14:14:33peturwiki !
14:14:40Paul_The_NerdYes, but what to name the wiki page?
14:15:59BgerPaul_The_Nerd the URLs in "Bugs reports" (Appendix E) are invalid
14:16:00warthawgthe last time i coded for a living, it was on a custom version of dos 3.xx, for sears cash registers
14:16:33Paul_The_NerdBger: Was that actually directed at me, or was that a case of autocomplete getting the wrong name?
14:16:57BgerPaul_The_Nerd u have access to the manual part in cvs, yep ?
14:17:06Paul_The_NerdBger: Nope. :)
14:17:21Bgerbluebrother^ ?
14:17:28BgerPaul_The_Nerd sorry then
14:17:45Paul_The_NerdNo worries. People often mistake me for someone important. ;-)
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14:18:28BgerFebs ?
14:19:23Paul_The_NerdOkay, so are there any current playback-related freezes?
14:20:05bluebrother^Bger: what's up?
14:20:31Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: How many fps measurements should it take?
14:20:33bluebrother^oh, just noticed the url-in-appendix you mentioned.
14:20:58Bgerbluebrother^ do you have access to the manual part in cvs or i'm going mad ...
14:21:03amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: What?
14:21:31Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Well, it says 1:1 = 80 (cpu = 30000000) then 1:4 = 315, same for cpu. I figured it would try boosted as well...
14:21:45Paul_The_NerdThough I don't know what the 1:1 and 1:4 refer to either.
14:22:02amiconn1:1 is full lcd. 1:4 is 1/4 of the total lcd area
14:22:02Mikachufull screen and quarter screen
14:22:23bluebrother^Bger: I do. Are there other broken urls?
14:22:47amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: It doesn't try boosted (or idled) itself. Maybe that should be added...
14:22:56bluebrother^I found two in the appendix.
14:22:59Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Well, I just boosted manually.
14:23:05Bgerbluebrother^: i only saw these 2
14:23:23Paul_The_Nerd200.0 at 1:1
14:23:25amiconnYes, that's what I did as well. boost + idle mode
14:23:25bluebrother^ok, I'm already about fixing them.
14:23:35amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: What target?
14:23:58Bgerbluebrother^ k;)
14:24:05Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Yes, Nano
14:24:30peturPaul_The_Nerd: I now have very very infrequent hard freezes when resuming playback (mostly I think when pressing play too much)
14:25:14peturjust happened again with a build of 10mins ago but unable to reproduce :(
14:25:24Paul_The_Nerdpetur: Okay. I was curious 'cuz I just put a bleeding edge build on, and wasn't experiencing freezes in most of the ways people had reproduced fairly recently. So, it's *mostly* working better now?
14:25:24peturanyway, gotta run now
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14:25:52bluebrother^Bger: commited.
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14:28:33Bgerbluebrother^ the manual is becoming really good ...
14:29:05bluebrother^thanks ... but it's still a lot of work.
14:30:16bluebrother^I hope we'll manage to finish with the 3.0 release ... at least for all 3.0 targets. All others can wait a bit longer ;-)
14:30:24bluebrother^but time will show.
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14:31:15Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: And the fps count is how many frames can be rendered to the framebuffer?
14:31:38amiconnNo, it's how many frames can be transferred from the farmebuffer to the lcd
14:33:30Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Got it, thanks.
14:33:37Paul_The_NerdNow, off to find breakfast.
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14:33:56Mikachuhooray, settings loaded with no errors
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14:45:18Mikachui wrote my phone number in the boot message of the fat partition :)
14:45:28Mikachui doubt anyone will see it if they find it, or return it to me
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14:48:32LedByTheReaperI need some help with Rockbox on 5G ipod
14:49:54LedByTheReaperBut nope, everyones dead here
14:50:08BgerLedByTheReaper ask
14:50:21Learamiconn: those recent button driver changes mean I occasionally get "doubleclicks" when moving up/down in lists (and possibly from stop, but I'm not sure about that)...
14:50:55LedByTheReaperI've extracted the 2.5 stuff onto my ipod
14:51:08LedByTheReaperso i have the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file
14:51:20LedByTheReaperAnd i turned my ipod off with the menu + middle button thing
14:51:37LedByTheReaperbut it just turns back onto the normal ipod firmware
14:52:29LedByTheReaperwith the silver apple logo
14:54:11oboLedByTheReaper: you need to do step 1:
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14:54:24amiconnLear: Double clicks?
14:54:26LedByTheReaperi was going on the manual
14:54:45Learamiconn: I press down once, cursor moves two lines.
14:55:12chamoisanyone knows how modify the default port of a CVS server ?
14:55:38LearBefore the changes, everything worked as I expected it to...
14:55:40LedByTheReaperAlso as this install isnt a simple as i thought is rockbox better than iPod linux?
14:55:42obochamois: started by inetd or as a daemon?
14:55:45LedByTheReaperIs it more stable on the 5G
14:55:51chamoisobo : inetd
14:56:03amiconnLear: Strange, I never get this. What target?
14:56:28LearSorry, forgot to mention that. :) H140.
14:56:35amiconnThe additional filtering clearly helps avoiding false readings on H300
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14:57:22linuxstbamiconn: Yes, I did just try a read from CPU_INT_EN - same effect as CPU_INT_EN=TIMER1_MASK.
14:57:29oboLedByTheReaper: it's better at music playback... (IMO)
14:57:38amiconnThe filtering should never cause additional events, as it only increases the requirements for an adc reading to be couted as valid
14:58:06LedByTheReaperapparantly my drive isnt an ipod..
14:58:17LedByTheReaperand it said to run the stuff from my c: (system) drive
14:58:31LedByTheReapershould i put the stuff onto my ipod then run the command line stuff?
14:58:46LedByTheReaperah nv,
14:58:49LedByTheReaperim an idiot
14:59:17amiconnIn addition to the old requirement of 2 consecutive button values being identical, 2 consecutive adc readings must be within +/-1 of each other to be considered at all
14:59:42LedByTheReaperI do hope it doesnt format my ipod
15:00:25amiconnI took the easy way and added this filtring for both H1x0 and H300. Of course I tested it on my H140, with no doubleclick effects...
15:00:33amiconnI wonder what happens there
15:00:42oboLedByTheReaper: nope, it doesn't format it
15:01:00Learamiconn: well, it doesn't happen very often, and it might be limited to down presses...
15:01:00LedByTheReaperYou can get Doom for rockbox right?
15:02:09LedByTheReaperimage file takes a while..
15:03:12amiconnLear: I think I know what happens. It shows that the H1x0 also has problems with unstable adc readings...
15:03:25Learamiconn: seems like the easiest way to reproduce it is to make two rapid down-presses in succession (during music playback; I'm not sure if I've noticed it without music playing).
15:03:52*LedByTheReaper stabs command prompt
15:03:59amiconnTwo down presses should cause 2 events, or do you get three?
15:04:18LearYep, and from the looks of it, the extra comes with the second event.
15:04:47amiconnEither it's the PCF timing Linus mentioned, or it's unstable adc reading
15:05:40LedByTheReaperGuys, how long is step e) Create the new Rockbox-enabled image file containing the Rockbox Bootloader meant to take?
15:06:01Mikachujust creating it? a couple of seconds
15:06:01amiconnIf the readings aren't 100% stable, it may happen that 2 consecutive values aren't in the +/-1 range of each other. This moment the button driver registers a release, but in fact you keep th ebutton pressed, and next round the readings are more stable again...
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15:06:47amiconnIt's a tradeoff, maybe we can widen the valid window to +/-2
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15:10:44LedByTheReaperah nvm it's windows crappyness
15:11:24LedByTheReaperwoah funky
15:11:32LedByTheReaperso who in here is a dev?
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15:13:32Jungti1234anyone can do compile?
15:13:56Learamiconn: could be, I had occasional missed presses too.
15:16:38LedByTheReaperrockbox on 5g is a bit slow..
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15:17:14LedByTheReaperahhh crapp
15:17:18LedByTheReaperhow do you exit games?
15:17:29LedByTheReaperwell plugins
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15:17:50LedByTheReapercause menu isnt doing anything
15:17:55Adityahit stop
15:18:02Adityaor if nothing works just do reset
15:18:07LedByTheReaperit's frozen
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15:18:12linuxstbLedByTheReaper: There is a lot of user documentation on If MENU doesn't work, press SELECT+MENU.
15:18:12Adityawhat model?
15:18:30Adityano idea.. they should still have a reset button
15:18:34LedByTheReaperIt's still better than the shitty apple firmware
15:18:38LedByTheReaperreset is select + menu
15:18:47Adityaah k.. well thats what you need =P
15:18:59linuxstbAnd if you need to reset, hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds.
15:19:32AdityaI have an iRiver so had no idea, sry =P
15:19:49LedByTheReaperi wish i had an iriver..
15:19:54LedByTheReaperbut they're kinda expensive
15:20:47LedByTheReaperone thing, touch wheel is a tad too sensitive
15:20:53LedByTheReaperand how do you get to music :|
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15:21:38linuxstbLedByTheReaper: Search the website for "tagcache"
15:21:56Mikachudoes the -t argument to genlang actually do anything?
15:22:05LedByTheReaperdoes it still support .mp4?
15:24:51LedByTheReaperwell guys i have to say, you'be done a bloody good job
15:24:55linuxstbYes, but it struggles at the moment with higher bitrate AAC files. ALAC works OK.
15:25:47LedByTheReaperHmm, is it possible for you to add support for other audio formats, or is that down to the iPod hardware?
15:26:12LedByTheReaperall my musics in mp3 anyway.. most films are in xvid so i cba to convert them to MP4
15:26:26linuxstbSee this link for supported audio formats:
15:26:28_FireFly_LedByTheReaper: afaik the ipod fw can't play flacs;) but rockbox can
15:26:57linuxstbLedByTheReaper: There is no video playback on any ipod in Rockbox.
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15:27:35LedByTheReaperwill it be added?
15:27:43Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Are you present, by chance?
15:27:45LedByTheReaperor has the video chip not been worked out yet?
15:28:06LedByTheReaperomg ogg support.. i love you all
15:28:22linuxstbNo-one in Rockbox is exploring the Broadcom chip AFAIK. Maybe some ipodlinux people are.
15:28:23Paul_The_NerdLedByTheReaper: Rockbox is primarily audio focused, so while video would be nice, I don't believe anyone core is working on it, and in the case of the 5G, a lot more needs to be known about the broadcom chip I believe.
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15:28:30LedByTheReaperI belive iPodlinux have..
15:28:40LedByTheReaperand tbh video is a bit shit on the ipod..
15:28:50LedByTheReaperas the screens the size of your hand.. and you only get 2 hours before it dies
15:28:51linuxstbIPL have had playback of uncompressed AVI for a long time.
15:28:55Adityathere my friend is why you don't go with apple
15:29:02Aditya*ducks* before the flamewars
15:29:03LedByTheReaperor microsoft
15:29:10AdityaiRiver ftw
15:29:11LedByTheReaper*shudders* wma
15:29:17Adityadude.. wma kicks ass
15:29:22Mikachui just exited pacbox, and the battery meter is rapidly going from 50 to 85
15:29:24LedByTheReaperI wanted an iRiver but it's 300 for a 40gb one
15:29:30LedByTheReaperUrm naaaah ogg > wma
15:29:34Adityawell yeah
15:29:38AdityaI didn't say it was the best
15:29:43LedByTheReaperMP3 > WMA
15:29:46LedByTheReaperWMA > AAC
15:29:49Adityain my opinion ogg > mp3 > wma
15:29:57Adityaand wma > w/e else
15:29:57LedByTheReapervynil > AAC
15:30:06LedByTheReaperAM radio > AAC
15:30:07AdityaI dont bother with anything else
15:30:18Adityawell I use some FLAC for things like enya
15:30:31LedByTheReaperI dunno FLAC ends up being 600MB for a whole album..
15:30:58Adityawell it's lossless
15:31:00LedByTheReaperapparantly i have no artists on my ipod:|
15:31:15LedByTheReaperI know it's lossless, I'll get a song in flac and see if i can notice a difference
15:31:20Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Well, hopefully you'll see this. I haven't got playback freezing on my H120, but there are some new bugs that I qualify as "Fun". Entering and exiting the quick menu early in a song causes a next-track change. Also, queuing and inserting songs causes a next track change. If you queue or insert next, it starts playing the song you chose to insert. If you do it last, it just plays the next song in the playlist. :)
15:31:30linuxstbLedByTheReaper: My FLAC albums are typically around 300MB. The largest is around 500MB.
15:31:36Paul_The_NerdLedByTheReaper: FLAC is rarely over 400/album for me...
15:31:44AdityaLedByTheReaper: it wont make a difference for like Staind or Linkin Park
15:31:49Paul_The_NerdSeeing as a whole album is usually 650ish uncompressed...
15:31:52LedByTheReaperHow dare you insult me:P
15:32:00Adityaits mostly used for things where the compression DOES take away quality
15:32:07*LedByTheReaper vomits at the thought of nu metal
15:32:17Adityastaind != nu metal
15:32:31AdityaLP maybe.. but staind is pretty good stuff
15:33:00LedByTheReaperLamb of God - The Subtle Arts of Murder and Persuasion
15:33:20LedByTheReaperI need to get Killadelphia DVD..
15:33:59LedByTheReaperHow long does force tag cache update take?
15:34:32Paul_The_NerdIt can take as much as 5 minutes the first time, depending on the number of tracks, disk speed, etc.
15:34:54LedByTheReaperWell my ipods full.
15:35:15LedByTheReaperIt's just it wont find any artists so i cant listen to any music on it and im going on holiday tomorrow _
15:35:37Paul_The_NerdWell, try deleting your tagcache, and doing another forced update from scratch
15:35:46Paul_The_NerdThen, don't do anything while it's updating, even though it says it's "in the background"
15:36:09LedByTheReaperis party mode just like party mode in itunes?
15:36:16LedByTheReaperwhich no longer exists on my pc.
15:36:20*Paul_The_Nerd really thinks the tagcache update should splash "Tagcache Update Complete" when finished.
15:36:42Paul_The_NerdParty mode basically disables the ability for you to stop music, and makes clicking on songs add them to the end of the playlist, I believe
15:36:56linuxstbWhat's party mode in itunes?
15:37:02LedByTheReaperit's shuffle
15:37:06LedByTheReaperbut shows you what songs come next
15:37:15LedByTheReaperso kinda removes the point in shuffle being a surprise
15:38:31Mikachui thought the point of shuffle was that the order changes, not necessarily that you don't know the order
15:39:10LedByTheReaperwell wmp's idea of shuffle is play 5 songs, hope you forget what songs they were and play them again
15:39:35Paul_The_NerdAre you sure it's not called "Random" there?
15:39:45Paul_The_NerdThere's a big difference between random and shuffle
15:39:51LedByTheReaperSearching (0 Artists found)
15:40:04LedByTheReaperurmmm noo
15:40:13ender`i always understood random to play a random song next, while shuffle would take a playlist, shuffle it around and play it wholly
15:40:16Paul_The_NerdLedByTheReaper: After the tagcache update, did you shut down, and turn back on, and did it say "Committing Tagcache?"
15:40:24LedByTheReaperi shall do that now
15:40:35LedByTheReaperdoom doesnt work btw
15:40:44Paul_The_Nerdender': Basically, yes. With Random you could theoretically hear the same song 50 times in a row
15:40:46LedByTheReapercommiting tagache
15:40:55Paul_The_NerdLedByTheReaper: What goes wrong with your doom. "Doesn't work" isn't a helpful statement
15:41:03LedByTheReapersays loading and nothing happens
15:41:09LedByTheReaperstill at the plugin menu
15:41:12Mikachui doubt any pseudo random algorithm would give you the same number 50 times
15:41:14ender`yup (though most random algorithms verify that you don't get the same song twice in a row)
15:41:25LedByTheReaperYes but when your talking about microshite
15:41:25Mikachueven without that kind of tampering
15:41:34Paul_The_NerdMikachu: As I said "theoretically" which means "in theory, but not necessarily in practice"
15:42:14Mikachuand i'm saying you can't, even in theory, with most algorithms
15:42:22LedByTheReapercan rockbox charge and be used at the same time?
15:42:27Paul_The_NerdYes, but those algorithms aren't really random then
15:43:00Paul_The_NerdLedByTheReaper: Yes and no. Some people have been able to, others claim it doesn't work.
15:43:05LedByTheReaperloving the crossfading
15:43:37*LedByTheReaper stabs ipod
15:44:09LedByTheReaperwhats rockbox based on then?
15:44:25LedByTheReaperomg, binary clock ^.^
15:44:51LedByTheReaperah, i have no base wads for doom
15:45:57Jungti1234hurry Bger! :)
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15:47:20LedByTheReapervery swish
15:47:21pussfellerplayback from the cvs was working great for about 7-8 hours, then, it went whacky and wouldnt play anything, and then, it kept locking up and even changed my theme
15:47:28pussfellerlast night
15:47:54pussfellermaybe that was some deleayed button pushes
15:48:02LedByTheReaperwhere do i put the doom wads?
15:48:18Jungti1234bye all
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15:48:21pussfellerreaper alot of this stuff is one the wiki :)
15:48:32LedByTheReaperyes but that involves reading and my eyes hurt
15:48:39LedByTheReaperbut some of the stuff on the wiki doesnt make sense
15:48:49LedByTheReaperlike make a games folder for doom, when it's already on rockbox
15:49:24LedByTheReaperHmm.. i wander if i can change the overall theme
15:49:33pussfellerbut thats what you gotta do, it works
15:49:44pussfelleri dont know why it has different dirs
15:50:01Paul_The_NerdBecause the wads have to go somewhere it can look for them?
15:50:13LedByTheReaperah okay
15:50:23LedByTheReaperCreate a directory called /games/doom/ on your player and save the following file in that directory:
15:50:36LedByTheReaperIs that in .rockbox or just on the top directory of the ipod
15:50:54Mikachuhence the leading /
15:50:57Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't say "in .rockbox"
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15:54:24LedByTheReaperurm installing more themes?
15:55:49LedByTheReapertheres a theme folder full of cfgs
16:00:57LedByTheReaperthanks for the help
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16:14:01ThatThereSome1Olla all
16:15:29ThatThereSome1Whats going on in there?
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16:39:13lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: seen.
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16:42:41austriancoderWho is Dave and have done the last cvs commit?
16:43:03Mikachuthat would be linuxstb
16:43:23lostlogicyou know, there's an IRC nicknames wiki page...
16:43:50austriancoderlostlogic: no i didn't know this.. sorry
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16:44:57linuxstbaustriancoder: That's me.
16:45:50austriancoderlinuxstb: there are many other placed to change this.. can i or will you do the changes?
16:46:19muesli__lostlogic sounds like a dejavu -><lostlogic> you know, there's an IRC nicknames wiki page...
16:47:07linuxstbYes, I noticed that. Some places are checking for SIMULATOR, some don't. Feel free to change the rest.
16:47:23austriancoderlinuxstb: okay
16:47:27Mikachudid anything change with text scrolling recently?
16:47:40Mikachuhalf of the times it's borken for me
16:50:56austriancoderlinuxstb: commited
16:52:49Mikachuyou could have changed it to ifdef instead
16:53:51austriancoderMikachu: whats the difference in #ifdef an #if defined()
16:55:35austriancoderi could change it..
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17:01:07lostlogicaustriancoder: no difference ni practice, simply more familiar / common to use ifdef for a single define
17:01:28austriancoderlostlogic: have changed and commited it
17:03:27*linuxstb searches for a Linux audio player with replaygain and gapless support...
17:04:09ep0chwine and foobar?
17:04:40pillrockbox is being very very buggy lately
17:05:12linuxstbpill: Yes, but it's in a good cause.
17:05:31pillfinding a paperclip while in traffic @130kmh is hazardous :p
17:05:41linuxstbep0ch: I haven't tried foobar for a while (I've used it under Wine before). I'll give it another go.
17:08:04lostlogicpill: with the latest build, the worst bug is rewinding during buffer fill (or to a point which is not in the buffer) causes badness... I'm working on it.
17:08:41pilli had that
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17:09:04pilli had that, and file view ID3 datadase causing hard hang
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17:09:25lostlogichmm, don't know about that one, bug Slasheri :-P
17:09:43pillbut i was just trying out tag cache
17:09:51pillwhich i'm not going to use often anyway
17:09:54linuxstbep0ch: Trying foobar 0.9 with wine gives me a "foobar2000 v0.9 requires Windows 2000 or newer" error message. AFAIK, my wine is set up to mimic XP.
17:10:05pillthe bug you're mentioning is more critical though :)
17:10:24Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Did you see the message I left in the log 'bout queue/insert issues?
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17:10:50lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: yep, I think both that and the rebuffer bug stem from a problem in the clearing of track entries.
17:10:57lostlogicwhich I am currently investigating.
17:11:08ep0chlinuxstb: interesting... I have no problems running it
17:11:52Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Okay, just making sure the message made it to ye.
17:12:23lostlogicyep, I usually read back most of the logs while I'm gone looking for yellow (highlighted)
17:13:10Paul_The_NerdI figured it was likely that you did, but sometimes things get overlooked.
17:14:01lostlogicso the problem seems to be that invalidating track entries invalidates all of them, even the one that I'm currently reading/writing, which is _really_ frustrating, because it's coded to be a loop with a 1 track gap in it.
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17:15:41lostlogicfound the bug, and I. am. dumb.
17:16:03linuxstbep0ch: Are you definitely using the final 0.9 release?
17:16:58Paul_The_NerdDoes anyone know where to put fm presets for use with the "Load Presets" choice?
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17:18:20ep0chlinuxstb: yes foobar 0.9 and wine 0.9.11 in winxp mode
17:18:44linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: (that's the patch committed to CVS)
17:19:04ep0chlinuxstb: maybe double check winecfg says winxp?
17:19:06Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: After asking, I scanned the changelog and found it in radio.h :)
17:19:10linuxstbDebian is only giving me wine 0.9.10 I don't know if that's the problem.
17:19:27ep0chi've had it working in older versions of wine too
17:23:16linuxstbep0ch: winecfg said Windows 2000 for some reason. Changing that to XP, and the installer is now working...
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17:25:13amiconnLear: Wanna test something?
17:26:40linuxstbep0ch: It's working now, thanks.
17:28:27amiconnlostlogic: Do you have any idea what may cause the race on stop?
17:28:51lostlogicamiconn: no, I've had worse bugs to chase lately...
17:28:58amiconnIt's odd that *all* targets and sims I've tested show one of the 2 possible behaviours, only H300 is different...
17:29:00lostlogicbut I think I've just fixed the worst.
17:29:11lostlogicamiconn: that is quite odd.
17:30:09amiconnI'm not sure how to solve this, but the current voice implementation for swcodec leaves much to be desired...
17:30:46amiconnI should have shown you voice ui both on archos and iriver for comparison at devcon...
17:31:30amiconnI also want to see the voice codec <-> plugin iram clash solved before release,
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17:32:03amiconnbut I don't see a different way than having a separate voice codec, and this codec would have to run without any iram...
17:32:05lostlogicI haven't really come up with a good idea on how to 'solve' voice playback on swcodec yet...
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17:32:29amiconnlostlogic: How is voice mixing done at the pcm level currently?
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17:32:49lostlogicit's mixed in the pcmbuffer before it goes to the actual PCM
17:32:59amiconnHow much latency?
17:33:24amiconnHmm, that should be okay, although less would be better...
17:33:27lostlogicsee pcmbuf:pcmbuf_mix
17:34:07lostlogicunfortunately, every time I've tried to go less, it ends up running into a condition where the next piece of vocie isn't ready when the previous hits the DMA/FIQ, so there's a gap in the voice
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17:34:20amiconnWe also need a way to preempt a clip at the compressed audio level. If it's possible to reset a codec, we wouldn't need to search a frame boundary in order to keep frame sync like we have to on hwcodec
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17:35:16amiconnIs it possible to tell libmad and/or other codecs that a new stream starts and they should discard the last prtial data?
17:35:28lostlogicI think that that is in there, handled on the voice_request_data function
17:35:47lostlogicamiconn: the ci.reload_codec condition is supposed to indicate that situation.
17:35:49amiconnHmm, if it's in, it definitely doesn't work
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17:37:21amiconnIf you're moving around the menu and stop on a new menu item before the old clip is finished, it should preempt the old clip before starting the new one. However, on swcodec, it tends to just queue up the clips, causing severe lag ui->voice
17:37:35Learamiconn: sure, why not? :)
17:38:19lostlogicamiconn: it sometimes preempts, but sometimes not, which I don't understand, but is about par for the course on pre-refactor playback code.
17:38:26amiconnLear: Open button.c and change the allowed delta to 2 (for H1x0): change line 847 to:
17:38:38lostlogicspeaknig of which, I should look into the stop implementation to see wtf it does on non-color targets so wrong.
17:38:59amiconnif ((data < 0xf0) && ((unsigned)(data - last_button_val + 2) <= 4))
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17:40:45lostlogicamiconn: ok, I see what the problem with stop is, and it is also why I'm getting audio artifacts for on-disk skips.
17:41:03linuxstbamiconn: Can't we handle IRAM for voice/plugins in the same way as voice/codecs - i.e. swap the IRAM contents? Or maybe disable voice in plugins until langv2-for-plugins arrives?
17:41:09amiconnYou mean audio snippets played when they shoudln't?
17:41:42amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, disabling voice for plugins could be a temporary solution.
17:42:09amiconnThing is, this swapping business will get arbitrary complex
17:42:25amiconnSonn we will have to deal with encoders as well...
17:42:42Learamiconn: actually did that a little while ago, but I haven't got around testing it yet...
17:42:57amiconnPerhaps we need a codec/plugin IRAM mutex.
17:43:46Lear(but with "+ 1" only... Should I really change that too?)
17:43:49amiconnStill, we have multiple threads wanting to use iram...
17:44:13amiconnLear: Yes. With +1, the allowed tolearnce is asymmetric
17:44:48amiconnAdding the offset and casting to unsigned saves one comparison
17:45:11amiconnIt's one of my favourite tricks...
17:45:27LearAh, yes... Didn't look closely at it at first. :)
17:48:49lostlogicamiconn: yeah, I think my implementation of stop_codec_flush may leave something to be desired.
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17:50:55Learlostlogic: btw, what's the deal with the lock/unlock of the rebuffer mutex (i.e., why call the two in a row)?
17:51:42lostlogicLear: lock it, I want to wait until the other thread unlocks it, so I lock again to go to sleep... but then I don't want to keep it locked, so I unlock right away.
17:52:01lostlogicLear: it's just forcing that queued event to be executed synchronously...
17:52:22lostlogicbecause the seek isn't complete until it's done.
17:52:28amiconnDo we really need mutexes in playback?
17:53:43lostlogicin this case it is good to have... I did away with 2 mutexes already in this refactoring.
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17:54:11lostlogicthis is a inter-thread interraction, those were mutexes protecting things that _should_ only happen on one thread.
17:59:34Learamiconn: that didn't make much of a difference, I'd say...
17:59:56lostlogicamiconn: actually... from my logf here, it looks like some thread calls an audio_pause at the same time as the audio_stop, so the weird pause condition is a button race of some strange sort!?
18:00:16lostlogicand could indeed leave pcm paused on exit which would cause voice to stop playing.
18:00:44amiconnHmm, that's another issue that needs to be solved
18:01:09lostlogicamiconn: yes, but for now, it's out of my hands, as my hands are tied to playback.c and pcmbuf.c :-P
18:01:36LearAnnoying, you can't leave menus with stop now, without stopping playback as you exit from the menu to the wps....
18:01:48lostlogicsounds like another button issue?
18:01:57lostlogicbutton_stop|button_rel stops playback?
18:02:34Learsomething like that, but menues are left on press only. I seem to recall a change along those lines...
18:02:36Paul_The_NerdI *think* that I've also triggered a "previous track" while going up a level in the menu.
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18:03:28lostlogicgah, now I can't start playback, what did I break now!?
18:03:49Mikachuhm, the wheel sends |repeat when not releasing between two scrolls
18:03:56Mikachubut shouldn't it not send a repeat if you change directions?
18:04:17lostlogicMikachu: that rings true...
18:04:50Mikachui'll try to remember it for later :)
18:06:33lostlogicMikachu: I think we also need a 'slowing down detection' for the wheel
18:07:03Mikachulots of fun coding coming up
18:07:08lostlogicbut I think I must go for several hours to help my mother paint her stupid house.
18:08:44sharpei'm sure the house is sentient too.
18:10:00_Lucretia_anyone know how the MT-500 port is going?
18:10:04*_Lucretia_ ducks
18:10:23Paul_The_NerdI don't believe there is one?
18:10:29sharpei don't recall one...
18:11:52_Lucretia_well, last I was here it was mainly a reverse engineering effort to get all the hw specs, I helped out, but couldn't really afford the time
18:13:14Paul_The_NerdWell, it seems nobody else has afforded the time, or at least nobody's been in here working on it or really talking about it in the forums.
18:14:45sharpeeh... damn c64 and it's VIC chip...
18:15:01_Lucretia_oh well, shame really, if it had decent fw it'd be soooo much better...but anyways
18:15:11_Lucretia_might mail him and see how far he got
18:15:23Paul_The_NerdWell, someone who owns one has to actually get through the hard parts.
18:16:52LearHm.. Pretty sure Slasheri's fix is to be blamed here... ;)
18:17:15LearFor one thing, it has "_PRE" backwards...
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18:18:09sharpeERP_ ?
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18:18:57Mikachulostlogic: basic seeking seems to work much better here now, abrepeat looks like it's still not working though
18:20:33Learsharpe: :) No, _PRE is used to mean "pressed" as in a "button is pressed down". Here it used for "button is released"...
18:21:03amiconn_PRE actually means 'preceding event'
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18:21:29amiconn...which can never be 'button released', that's true
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18:22:30sharpeoh, right. thought you meant it like he was dyslexic and did "ERP_" instead of "_PRE"
18:23:53LearAnd in this case, it means the (iriver) wps exists on a lone exit release, which is just what you get after leaving a menu, which leaves on an exit press...
18:24:16Mikachuso _PRE should be the press, and it should only exit on the release if lastbutton == _PRE
18:24:50amiconnThat's th epurpose of _PRE - distinguishing short / long presses
18:25:19Mikachumaybe stuff generally shouldn't exit on press either
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18:25:39amiconnIt should, if there's nothing to distinguish
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18:25:52Mikachuthe thing it quits too could be confused, as in this case
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18:26:36amiconnThat's caught by the _PRE in the parent event loop
18:27:06amiconnThe bug clearly is what Lear discovered
18:27:08Mikachuwhat if the parent doesn't care about long/short presses, then it won't have a pre?
18:27:21amiconnNo, but then it would also trigger on press
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18:27:40sharpeahah, something works...
18:27:54sharpei have no idea what it says though.
18:27:54Vickig'afternoon everyone
18:27:57Mikachuyes but what does that have to do with anything?
18:28:08Paul_The_NerdSomething works?
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18:28:32sharpeas far as i can tell, it's now in the loop to get text input
18:29:28AdamYacI need help please
18:29:28sharpeyeah, it is
18:29:54LearSince that "fix" was done for iriver targets only, I'd say we back it out for now...
18:29:59VickiI was talking to DEATH (Peter from FB2K) about mpc seeking on embedded systems, and he informs me that a new update is available for libmpcdec that has seeking for embedded systems
18:30:50Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: 23 seconds passed between your first two messages. People are often busy and don't respond instantly. Go ahead and ask your question, but please try to have patience.
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18:31:13Vicki<DEATH> someone modified libmpcdec for faster seeking recently, but results it produces after seek are not identical to sequential decode
18:31:13Vicki<DEATH> should be sufficient for rockbox
18:31:13Vicki<DEATH> go ask in #mpc on
18:31:33Vickithought I'd share this with the group
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18:32:05AdamYacHow can I shuffle songs on my ipod 5g?
18:33:11Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: Have you read the manual?
18:33:22Vickiapparently not :)
18:33:38AdamYacI tried reading through and saw nothing. Can I have a link please
18:34:13AdamYacAppreciate it
18:34:32Paul_The_NerdA search in it for "shuffle" should do the trick.
18:34:45lostlogicMikachu: I should enable ab repeat mode on the ipods so I can test it :-P what's wrong with it?
18:34:55Mikachulostlogic: it jumps to the wrong place
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18:35:06Mikachulostlogic: and then it sounds a bit strange when it does reach the A point
18:35:13Mikachulike it jumps again, but the progress bar is continuous
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18:35:26Mikachualso, dynamic playlist creation is still busted but i guess you know that
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18:36:13lostlogicMikachu: ab repeat on swcodec doesn't sync with the progress bar correctly, that's a known bug, it should: jump to before the A marker's dislpay location (with no change to the music), then jump in the sound to the A location when the progress bar reaches the A point
18:36:17VickiAdamYac: General Settings - Playback - Shuffle (Y/N)
18:36:28lostlogicMikachu: dynamic playlist still broken, I didn't know that, I guess that's my next thing to investigate
18:36:32Mikachuoh okay
18:36:36Mikachumaybe that's what it does then
18:36:42*Paul_The_Nerd notices a small problem with the Mini 2G picture on the manual page.
18:36:49AdamYacI have it set to yes Vicki
18:36:53Mikachulostlogic: i guess it just shows more after i increased the pcm ratio of the buffer
18:37:17Mikachulostlogic: i'm going to verify it's broken with clean cvs too
18:37:19VickiAdamYac: you also have a Repeat : Shuffle option as well
18:37:23AdamYacWhen I come to my list of music. Theres no way to shuffle it
18:37:56AdamYacIt just plays the artist I choose
18:37:59Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: When you launch a playlist it should shuffle when you play it. If you select a song, it should shuffle all other songs in that album/folder, but start you on the one you selected (unless you disabled that)
18:38:29lostlogicMikachu: yes, I still haven't worked out a way to sync it up :-\
18:38:39AdamYacI dont have a playlist
18:38:43sharpelets see if this works for text output...
18:38:53AdamYacI just have ipodcontrol/ music/ atreyu etc etc
18:38:55*lostlogic out
18:39:44Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: Well, it will only shuffle the music loaded in the dynamic playlist then. That means "All the music in the folder you launched"
18:40:21AdamYacSo i have to put music in my playlist?
18:41:04Mikachuthat would be advantageous if you want to listen to it
18:41:04Paul_The_NerdWell, if you pick a song, it'll shuffle all songs in that folder. If you want to shuffle all music on the device, then you either need to "Insert" the ipod control folder, or create a playlist out of it.
18:41:49sharpeguess what!
18:41:53AdamYacCan you explain how to do that? Since I only have ipod_control/music
18:41:59*Mikachu excited + 3
18:42:06sharpeText output for the c64 emulator! :D
18:42:12Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: Playlists also are covered in the manual.
18:42:28AdamYacokay and should repeat be on shuffle?
18:42:42Paul_The_NerdIf you want it to reshuffle at the end of the playlist, yes.
18:43:13AdamYaclol i got 900 songs sooo lol
18:43:16sharpethe c64 character set has the same placement as ascii for spaces, numbers, and asterisks
18:43:48AdamYacCan I make a playlist on my pc
18:43:52AdamYacor do i have to do it on my ipod
18:43:58Mikachulostlogic: it looks like maybe it's just me
18:44:12Paul_The_NerdYou can do it on your PC, but 900 songs should just take a few seconds if you want an all songs playlist
18:44:20*Paul_The_Nerd would *really* suggest reading the manual.
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18:44:32AdamYacI did! its confusing to e
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18:44:50AdamYacHow can I put all 900 songs in one playlist?
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18:45:15Paul_The_NerdI told you, choose to Insert the ipod control folder
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18:45:33AdamYacInsert the ipod control folder ??
18:46:55Paul_The_NerdYou can also enter the itunes control folder, and then choose "Create Playlist" in the playlist menu (you need to have recursvely insert directories enabled though)
18:47:32AdamYacPaul the nerd do you have aim???
18:47:41AdamYacthis is confusing all I want to do is shuffle ALL my music
18:48:27Adityayou cant
18:48:27Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: I just told you how to. I would suggest that you actually read the manual, specifically the section on playlists.
18:48:34Adityayou have to buy ipod shuffle
18:48:41Adityaand then buy the shuffle attachment
18:48:49Adityaand then pay 50 dollars extra to steve jobs
18:48:52AdamYacFuck you
18:48:59Mikachulostlogic: ah, only Insert Shuffled is broken on an empty playlist, but that's not enabled by default
18:49:08Adityamy job here is done.. *flies away*
18:49:59Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: Being rude is not any more likely to get you help. Really, if you'd actually read the manual, it covers how to insert songs and folders into a playlist, as well as the "Create Playlist" option, which is in the Playlist section of the main menu
18:53:34AdamYacBEING RUDE!?
18:53:41AdamYac<Aditya> you have to buy ipod shuffle
18:53:55Mikachudo you think it might POSSIBLY have been a joke?
18:53:57AdamYacand i figured it out
18:54:01AdamYacIts rude
18:54:02Mikachuyay you
18:54:15Paul_The_NerdAdamYac: You are a conscious and free thinking human being, and presumably are fully capable of ignoring jibes from other folk if you so choose. Anothers actions are never an excuse for your own.
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18:54:26AdamYacYou guys need to get some sunlight
18:54:38Mikachupersonal attack against person helping you
18:54:40*Mikachu checks off list
18:54:51Mikachuangry message and /quit coming up?
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18:55:34sharpegreat predictions.
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18:55:54Mikachui have been on irc before
18:55:54Paul_The_NerdI know I was a bit short with him, but seriously, I'm positive he didn't read the manual.
18:56:19Paul_The_NerdAnd honestly, I'll help people who admit they haven't read it, but people who seem to be lying and say they have, that's different.
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18:56:34Adityasry about the apple poke.. I didn't thin he would take it that seriously
18:56:49Mikachui wouldn't have thought so either
18:57:21sharpeheh... yay c64 emulator for rockbox... :D
18:57:28Paul_The_NerdAditya: Well, I was kinda already giving him a hard time with the repeated "read the manual" remarks
19:01:30sharpenow, to try the really bad way of something like kb input.
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19:05:16*amiconn is puzzled by the remote lcd update
19:05:34amiconnIt runs at half the speed it should...
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19:14:35sharpewow.. um... apparantly i'm using memcpy.
19:15:20linuxstbgcc has a habit of that...
19:15:33amiconnHmm, and I can use the dedicated idle-freq loop up to 124MHz (!), getting 363fps
19:15:35sharpei've noticed...
19:16:16linuxstbJust define your own memcpy which calls rb->memcpy.
19:16:31amiconn363 fps is (calculating back to transfer speed) still within specs for the remote lcd, *but*: The dedicated loop should go way above that
19:17:11amiconn(or I can't calculate at all and should stop coding rockbox for at least a week)
19:17:20sharpeeh, i've fixed it
19:17:41sharpeinstead of just char, i declared it as static also...
19:17:43amiconnLinus would proably be able to shed some light on that with his logic analyser ... :/
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19:19:33sharpeahah, slowly getting 'PRINT' as input from the keyboard...
19:20:26Benjihiya, just letting you know VBR playback on the ipod 4g daily is jerky
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19:21:10warthawgis gcc removing all the timing loop code i put in?
19:21:20warthawgthat bastid!
19:21:58Paul_The_NerdBenji: That's very vague. Does it happen with all VBR files, or just ones over a certain bitrate? What exactly do you mean by "jerky"? Was it working yesterday? Last week?
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19:27:58sharpec64 emulator :D
19:30:25Benjisorry about the vagueness, latest daily build, I've been using the daily builds for as long as I've been using rockbox (about 2 weeks). Its just a short pause at random intervals every 30 secs to a minute. its worst in one album I have of mainly ~200-240k VBR mp3s but does happen to others. My FLAC and 320kbps CBR mp3s play fine. changing to the engineer or zezayer wps from the default helps a little. ReplayGain is off. Using vbrfi
19:30:51MikachuUsing vbrfi
19:31:16MikachuBenji: but using peakmeters is probably your problem
19:32:31Paul_The_NerdBenji: Yeah, simple WPSes without peakmeters, Equalizer off. Rockbox on iPod at least doesn't do as well as it could with MP3s at the moment, so a lot of it is just that more optimization is needed, but there are other focuses at the moment.
19:34:15Benjiso if I use a WPS without a peakmeter will the peakmeter still operate but just not display anything? or is it disabled entirely?
19:35:01Paul_The_NerdIt's disabled (or at least, I think it is. It stops having the negative effect on performance, at least)
19:35:22warthawgdoes anyone know where APPLE_IPODNANO gets defined?
19:36:42obofind . -iname *.h | xargs grep -n APPLE_IPODNANO :)
19:36:43Benjiok, well I guess I'll have to rerip the music into FLAC then, thanks :)
19:37:06warthawgthanks, obo, teach a man to fish, and he will burn down the village ;)
19:38:12warthawgman, it found it just like that, that's a really handy tip
19:38:41warthawgi am going to alias that as where_is
19:39:01oboyou might need to look at .c files as well sometimes - depends what you're after..
19:39:04Paul_The_NerdWell, that one only looks in .h files so only really useful for defines and such
19:39:22Paul_The_NerdBenji: Or ogg vorbis. It tends to work a bit better on the ipods right now.
19:39:26linuxstbwarthawg: Are you using the current CVS? Those defines have been removed - use IPOD_NANO instead.
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19:40:05warthawglinuxstb, i think i might have the cvs version in the uisimulator directory, and a daily in the one i am tinkering in
19:40:28warthawgi guess i should be using a cvs version for tinkering
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19:43:04sharpeyay me
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19:43:30ZeusHello folx
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19:44:48sharpewell, at least i have proof that i've gotten the emulator somewhat working...
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19:45:54Zeussharpe, which kind of emulator?
19:46:02Zeusand for Rockbox?
19:46:06sharpe kin of speaks for itself
19:46:08sharpeand yes
19:46:32Zeusok, I'll check
19:47:04overflow-1the doom that comes with the default rockbox, is doom I or II
19:47:05Zeuswhat is it for?
19:47:15sharpec64 emulator for rockbox...
19:47:44*Zeus is silly and don't know c64 emulator?
19:47:53sharpecommodore 64?
19:48:12Zeuswhat is it for?
19:48:22sharpeit's an old... computer
19:48:31Zeusgood for Rockbox?
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19:49:20Zeuswhat can you do with this in Rockbox, I meant why is it good
19:49:31BHSPitLappyit's just an emulator, dude.
19:49:39BHSPitLappypeople will do what they want to.
19:49:48Zeusjust the fun to port emulator?
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19:50:36Zeuswhat do you do with this in Rockbox?
19:50:50sharpenot much at the moment
19:51:16sharperight now it just emulates the cpu, and part of the video output.
19:51:20Zeusreform.−−> what will you can do? :p
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19:51:45sharpehopefully implement everything to where it can run a c64 game or two.
19:52:03BHSPitLappyZeus: play c64 games and apps
19:52:03Zeussharpe: ah, that sounds better
19:52:16BHSPitLappyZeus: Wikipedia is your friend.
19:52:17LedByTheReaperWith the 5G rockbox is there a function like shuffle songs on the apple firmware?
19:52:52*Zeus wants wikipedia on RockBox ;)
19:53:18BHSPitLappythen port it :O
19:53:20LedByTheReaperyou can get it on ipod linux
19:53:36sharpei feel like i've done something now :D
19:53:38LedByTheReaperWho here's using rockbox on a 5G?
19:53:44*BHSPitLappy pats sharpe on the back
19:53:46*BHSPitLappy is
19:53:47blueyme :S
19:53:48sharpei am...
19:53:53*Zeus wants WikiVox !
19:53:58LedByTheReaperurm doesnt anyone have problems when they try and play a song from songs
19:54:02LedByTheReapermine just freezes..
19:54:08BHSPitLappymine's fine
19:54:11LedByTheReapercause i just want it to play all of the songs on there
19:54:13sharpeso is mine
19:54:29LedByTheReaperso i have to go to songs... select any song and then it doesnt load the song and just freezes so i have to reboot
19:54:39LedByTheReaperbut the backlight comes on
19:54:54LedByTheReaperit just doesnt do anything else
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19:56:21overflow-1n00b question: must we create /games/doom in the root of say /media/ipod or do we create it in /media/ipod/.rockbox ?
19:56:53LedByTheReaperroot directory
19:56:55BHSPitLappyoverflow-1: mkdir /media/ipod/games/doom
19:57:05overflow-1BHSPitLappy, LedByTheReaper: tnx.
19:57:18LedByTheReaperas in D:games/doom
19:57:25LedByTheReaperd being whatever your ipod is
19:57:33LedByTheReaperi got confused by that earlier lol
19:57:55LedByTheReaperbut anyway, does rockbox have a play all thing?
19:58:03Zeussharpe: it's cool, that seems that there are plenty of c64 games −− if you manage to have it working, I'm sure some users will want to ports all kind of games
19:58:14BHSPitLappythey won't need to port anything.
19:58:21BHSPitLappythat's what the emulator is for...
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19:59:52ZeusBHSPitLappy: you meant that all games will be on ?
19:59:52LedByTheReaperand OMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGOMG new series of dr who ^.^
20:00:07BHSPitLappyZeus: ... what do you think an emulator is?
20:00:38Zeusyeah I thougt to the GNUboy one for exemple
20:00:45Zeusbut ROMs needed
20:00:53Zeusis it the same with c64?
20:00:55LedByTheReaperdoes rockbox have a thing like shuffle songs
20:01:02LedByTheReaperthats on the main menu of the apple firmware
20:01:06LedByTheReaperwhere do i find it?
20:01:34LedByTheReaperi have shuffle on.. i just dont wanna go songs -> find a song cause then it'll crash
20:01:35sharpeon the while playing screen, if you press menu, then i think left, it'll turn on shuffle...
20:01:45LedByTheReaperwell not crash
20:01:48LedByTheReaperit just takes AGES
20:02:09ZeusLedByTheReaper: Rockbox concept is: all times one on the fly playlist has created
20:02:27LedByTheReaperso it's gunna take ages everytime i want to play everything?
20:02:35Zeusthen if you want shuffle all your song, you will need to create the root playlist
20:02:37LedByTheReaperand i swear audio quality has improved..
20:02:51Zeusthe one including all your song, and then shuffled it
20:03:07LedByTheReapercan you rephrase that.. :\
20:03:28ZeusLedByTheReaper: go to playlist option and create the roots playliust
20:03:56Zeusonce done, just call context menu and reshuffle it
20:04:24LedByTheReapercall context menu?
20:04:38Zeusdid you read the manual yet?
20:04:44LedByTheReaperSo creating the playlist makes a playlist of everysong.. then aslong as i have shuffle on it'll play diff every time.
20:04:49LedByTheReaperI did.. that wasnt in the manual.
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20:05:03Zeuseverytime you want shuffle all the songs
20:05:13LedByTheReaperI always have it shuffled.
20:05:17LedByTheReaperwell have shuffle on
20:05:31Zeusbut for exemple if you are listening one album or one dir, you can always reshuffle
20:05:39Zeusthat how Rockbox works
20:06:01LedByTheReaperhow do i get back to the now playing screen
20:06:12ZeusLedByTheReaper: then, each time you'll start something that will auto shuffle
20:06:21sharpehmm... so far, something like text display for the c64... think i should work now, on actually using the c64 character set?
20:06:23Zeuswith option on
20:06:56ZeusLedByTheReaper: please read the manual
20:07:02LedByTheReaperI blody well have
20:07:09LedByTheReaperthe manual has bugger all in it that's correct
20:07:15LedByTheReaperit doesnt even have the full install procedure
20:07:18Zeusplease search on it a bit please
20:07:45ZeusRockbox doesnt running on your DAP yet?
20:07:55LedByTheReaperrockbox is on my 5G
20:07:59LedByTheReaperafter getting help in here
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20:08:25Zeuswell, why do you need install procedure?
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20:08:38LedByTheReaperI dont now
20:08:49LedByTheReaperI want to know how to get back to the whats playing screen from the menus
20:09:16Zeusproblem is I don't have *evil* ipods
20:09:33Zeusand the button mapping is depending to your DAP
20:09:41LedByTheReaperipods are evil
20:09:49LedByTheReaperit doesnt tell you the button on the wiki
20:09:50Zeusthen I can't help you for which button... manual can ;)
20:10:11LedByTheReaperIT DOESNT SAY
20:10:18Zeusand on manual?
20:10:44Zeusapparently, no evil ipods user around for tell you
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20:11:18LedByTheReaperah nvm
20:11:22LedByTheReaperrebooting it worked
20:11:33LedByTheReaperi hope they iron this out soon
20:11:50LedByTheReaperCan't wait for someone to try and use my iPod though =p
20:11:55 Part Aditya
20:12:17ZeusLedByTheReaper: are you developer yourself?
20:13:03LedByTheReaperI dont know a great deal of usefull programming languages.
20:13:23LedByTheReaperif i did i would help
20:13:41LedByTheReaperAnd brb dinner.
20:13:46Zeusyeah that why I asked you :p
20:13:53ZeusI'll move too
20:14:06*LedByTheReaper is afk
20:14:59Zeusjust wanted to speak a bit with the Rockbox communauty, that was loooong weeks I didn't update my Rockbox version
20:16:26Zeusit's time to go for me too, Rockbox updated on my iriver
20:16:40ZeusI'll check what is new ;)
20:16:45Zeusbye all
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20:27:47LedByTheReaperthis is scary
20:27:53LedByTheReapermy ipod has better sound quality than my pc
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20:28:33LedByTheReaperAnyone here use Sennheiser headphones?
20:28:39ScoTTieprobably because your using some crappy onboard soundcard thats sitting right next to your PSU
20:28:48LedByTheReaperzomg i have an AC97 =p
20:28:56LedByTheReapernForce 2 EAX2 6 channel
20:29:00LedByTheReaperAnd it's actually pretty good.
20:29:09ScoTTieive got something similar
20:29:10LedByTheReaperBut yeh, I need to upgrade pc..
20:29:15LedByTheReaperGotta wait till im 18 to get my savings.
20:29:17ScoTTieits ok i guess
20:29:53LedByTheReaperRockbox is the sex though.
20:30:19ScoTTieany confirmation of audio working on 1g minis ?
20:30:22LedByTheReaperHmm.. I hope I have enough space to fit hitchhikers guide to the galaxy on..
20:30:45LedByTheReaperMinis look tough.
20:30:46BHSPitLappygreat, iTunes is really pissing me off
20:30:52LedByTheReaperWhy are you using it?
20:30:54LedByTheReaperIt's shit.
20:30:58BHSPitLappyya think?
20:30:58ScoTTieitunes wont recognise my ipod
20:31:01LedByTheReaperWinamps had native iPod support for ages.
20:31:07BHSPitLappyitunes locked off
20:31:08ScoTTieneither will anything but anapod
20:31:10LedByTheReaperAnd with rockbox you dont need itunes
20:31:17ScoTTieonly since 5.20 ;)
20:31:18BHSPitLappywhen I killed the process, the system restarted.
20:31:22LedByTheReaperwinamp comes with ipod support out of the box
20:31:30LedByTheReaper5.20 was out a month ago?
20:31:33LedByTheReaperthats ages =p
20:31:48BHSPitLappyI'm not aware of other programs handling videos well
20:31:52LedByTheReaperBut for some reason I've gone back to WMP
20:32:00LedByTheReaperVLC is the best video player out there.
20:32:10BHSPitLappyI mean getting them on the iPod
20:32:22LedByTheReaperyeh i use itunes for that
20:32:33LedByTheReaperand podcasts
20:32:37BHSPitLappythat too
20:32:43LedByTheReaperAnyone here sub to VOD cars?
20:32:47BHSPitLappywhere would I be without my Strong Bad podcast
20:33:20LedByTheReaperI get happy tree friends, vod cars, all day breakfast comedy, cs-dl and that funny astonamy one
20:33:50sharpeokay, i think i know the format of the c64 character sets
20:34:03LedByTheReapercrashday's downloaded
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20:34:52LedByTheReaperstupid crappy metallica songs
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20:35:18LedByTheReaperRockbox isnt playing stuff properly
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20:35:36LedByTheReapernow it is
20:36:42LedByTheReapersundays are boring
20:37:04Mikachutomorrow is manic monday, are those better?
20:37:33LedByTheReaperim going to cornwall for a week
20:37:42LedByTheReaperand yeh, 2 week holiday from college
20:38:04Mikachuwouldn't you still be in high school if you're not 18?
20:38:12LedByTheReaperI'm in the UK
20:38:26LedByTheReaperYou finish compulsary education at 16.
20:38:44LedByTheReaperAnd yeh, I'm in my first year of software development at college.
20:38:46Mikachui'm pretty sure high school isn't compulsory?
20:38:53LedByTheReapercause i fucked up my A levels last year
20:39:01LedByTheReaperI dont know about the US education system.
20:39:14Mikachui have given up understanding other countries' school systems
20:39:24LedByTheReaperIgnorance is bliss ;)
20:39:43LedByTheReaperAndway. going to play crash day
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20:39:55Apostle^hi, i copied the .rockbox folder to my ipod
20:40:01Apostle^but it still can't find it
20:40:13Mikachudid you also copy rockbox.ipod to your ipod? (not into .rockbox though)
20:40:45Apostle^the OS loads but the rockbox folder has an X
20:40:49Apostle^and it can't be found
20:41:00Apostle^i checked the permissions it looks okay
20:41:41Mikachuwhat do you want to do exactly?
20:42:02Apostle^boot rockbox ..
20:42:07Apostle^it can't find the .rockbox folder
20:42:10Apostle^but it's on their
20:42:14Apostle^and all the files are in their also
20:42:25Mikachuit's hidden by default
20:42:43Apostle^i'm on linux, i can see it
20:42:49Apostle^the ipod can't find it thought
20:42:53Mikachuin rockbox
20:43:10Mikachuthe .rockbox directory is hidden in rockbox by default
20:43:26Mikachuif you copy music to /Music or something, you will see it
20:43:33Mikachuif you change the setting to show all files, you will see .rockbox too
20:43:44Apostle^okay so
20:43:48Apostle^what do i need to do?
20:43:53Mikachuin order to do what?
20:43:53Apostle^copy music to /music ?
20:43:56Apostle^listen to music
20:44:01Mikachuput music anywhere
20:44:11Apostle^it's written in itunes
20:44:12Mikachuyou don't want to put any of your own files in .rockbox
20:44:14Apostle^is that okay ?
20:44:24Mikachuyou'll need to enable the show all files option then
20:44:26Apostle^or do i need to clean it out
20:44:30Apostle^okay how do i do that
20:44:37Mikachulook through the settings menus
20:44:38Apostle^and why does .rockbox have an X on it
20:44:40Mikachuyou'll want to do that anyway
20:45:52oboApostle^: you have also patched your ipods bootloader?
20:46:07obookay, just checking :)
20:46:09Mikachui would guess so if he's booting rockbox :)
20:46:30Apostle^cool listening to a song now
20:46:33Apostle^i just needed to show all files
20:46:35obomust have misted that line :)
20:47:17Apostle^how do i get it in color?
20:47:21Apostle^like the text or it doesn't do that
20:47:36Mikachuyou can change the colors of the text and bg in the settings
20:47:40Mikachuyou can also have a background .bmp
20:47:41Apostle^and do i still need to copy music using itunes compatible stuff ?
20:47:51Apostle^can i just drag music in now?
20:47:54Mikachuand for the hwile playing screen, you can find themes on the wiki or make your own
20:47:59Mikachuyou don't need itunes
20:48:12Mikachuif you're not going to use apple os, you can remove your ipod_control/music dir
20:48:15essoeapostle- if you drag it in, it wont show up when you plug it into a 360, or whatever devices read itunes types I think
20:48:21Mikachuassuming you have the same music on your computer of coure
20:48:27essoebut it'll play on the player regardless of the paths
20:48:34Apostle^essoe: i don't use any device that uses itunes
20:48:39Apostle^besides the ipod :-P
20:48:43Mikachuwhat exact model do you have?
20:48:47Apostle^nano 2g
20:48:51Mikachuah, same as me
20:48:59essoeapostle- I may be saying it wrong, but like a 360, or whatever that scans the itunes xml, then uses it
20:49:03Mikachumake sure you mount with -o utf8, and don't use the sync options
20:49:07Apostle^i do
20:49:17Apostle^in fstab right
20:49:21Mikachusync severely slows down and wears out the flash
20:49:54Apostle^i like this alot
20:50:01Mikachualso, you'll want to boot apple os for copying files instead of the builtin disk mode
20:50:06Mikachuit will go a LOT faster that way
20:50:17Apostle^so now that i have it working
20:50:19Mikachuhold down menu when booting before the apple shows up etc
20:50:21Apostle^what else should i check out
20:50:50Mikachuyou could try playing doom, that's what everyone seems to want to do :P
20:50:59Apostle^that works on rocks?
20:51:18Apostle^that would be a + ...
20:52:26Apostle^how do i get out of a plugin
20:52:31Apostle^stuck in chess o.O
20:52:39Mikachumenu+select usually exits plugins
20:52:55Mikachuor brings up a menu with a Quit item
20:52:59Apostle^doom doesn't work
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20:53:08Mikachuyou would need to copy the actual game files over
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20:53:41Apostle^wow this is nice
20:53:43Apostle^the game files
20:53:47Apostle^where do i get those
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20:54:43Apostle^ahh i'm stuck in jewels :-P
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20:55:13Apostle^when i hit end game in jewels nothing happens
20:55:34Mikachuthat's a bit strange
20:56:15Mikachuit works fine here
20:56:39Apostle^just what i thought ipod was missing
20:56:41Apostle^oh this owns
20:57:11essoewhere do you put the doom files? I wasnt able to get it to work.. tried /games/doom/addons
20:57:24Apostle^this would be great on a video
20:57:28Apostle^with a nice big screen
20:57:29Mikachuyou put addons in addons, the main wads in /games/doom
20:57:30oboit is :)
20:57:46Apostle^can somone email me the wads?
20:57:51Apostle^i dont have doom cd anymore
20:58:00Mikachuthere is a shareware wad there
20:59:20Apostle^how do i get out of space rocks?
20:59:23Apostle^that ones tricky
20:59:31Apostle^hrm got it
21:00:28Apostle^nice gonna delete that pesky itunes control
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21:08:29*LedByTheReaper is back
21:08:59LedByTheReaperCrashday is slighly iffy.
21:13:32Apostle^how do i get to the
21:13:38Apostle^browse files menu
21:13:42Apostle^from when im playing a song
21:13:48Mikachumiddle button, short press
21:14:04Apostle^this is cool beans
21:14:05Apostle^to the max
21:14:30Apostle^how do i get EQ's ?
21:14:43Mikachuprobably the sound settings menu
21:14:50Mikachutake your earphones out first
21:14:59Mikachui had some issues with the eq recently
21:15:11Mikachunot sure if it was something i did, but i only got white noise
21:15:23Apostle^oh it says i have no eq's
21:15:29Apostle^do i need to dl the
21:15:35Mikachuyou can set the parameters manually
21:15:42Mikachubut you also need to select Enable EQ
21:16:19Apostle^yea i did
21:16:26Apostle^i just like to use a rock or jazz eq usually
21:16:29Apostle^but it sounds fine without one
21:17:17Apostle^now if somone asks me to use my ipod i can just say you won't know how :-P
21:17:56Mikachuchange the language to hebrew first too
21:18:02Apostle^how is battery life compared to regular
21:18:04Apostle^ipod os
21:18:08Apostle^i bet it's better
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21:18:20Mikachuno, it's probably 60 or 70% right now
21:18:29Mikachuthat's a wild guess, but it lasts less than apple os
21:18:49Slasherilostlogic: btw, the playback is still very hard to start..
21:18:53Apostle^i never have time to listen to it for long anyway :-P
21:19:06Apostle^Mikachu: how do i use a .bmp as my BG and how big should the .bmp be
21:19:21MikachuApostle^: exactly the right size, ie 176x134 (i think), and 24 bits deep
21:19:28MikachuApostle^: then put it in /.rockbox/backdrops
21:19:38Mikachuthen long select on it and select 'use as backdrop'
21:19:55Apostle^176x134 lol
21:20:01Apostle^i'm just gonna use a nice blue color then
21:20:02Mikachuthat's the res of the screen
21:20:06Apostle^a real image would look bad
21:20:15Mikachuna, it looks okay
21:20:37Apostle^i think rockbox takes longer to load a song also
21:20:42Apostle^but only a split second
21:20:45Mikachuit boots a lot faster though
21:20:52Apostle^10x as fast
21:21:00Mikachuif you're using cvs from today, playback is in a state of flux
21:21:00Apostle^eems like it atleast
21:21:10Apostle^dunno i just downloadedthe new
21:21:12Mikachuif you want more stable, go to 3rd april's build or so
21:21:19Apostle^when i change the os
21:21:22Mikachumaybe 4th, i forget
21:21:24Apostle^do i just replace .rockbox
21:21:36Mikachurockbox.ipod would be the main one to replace
21:21:47Mikachubut you probably need to replace viewers/ and rocks/ in .rockbox too
21:21:50Mikachuand codecs/
21:21:52Apostle^okays :-P
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21:21:56Apostle^where do i get more themes?
21:22:04Apostle^sorry for all the q's, just it's new to me :-p
21:22:10Mikachuthere's a page at the wiki, but there are only 4 themes for the nano so far
21:22:22Apostle^i think i have morethen that on their though
21:22:31Mikachuwell, with colors
21:22:38Apostle^i want colors
21:22:39Mikachuthe ones that come with rockbox sortof suck
21:22:43Apostle^they do
21:23:01Mikachumost of them are made for bw displays
21:23:27Apostle^176 width
21:23:30Apostle^or other way around
21:25:22pussfellerits not that hard to port some of them]
21:25:29Apostle^copy/paste files into ipod
21:25:33Apostle^much better then using gtkpod
21:27:37Apostle^i cant fidn any themes
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21:32:18Learslasheri: you tested exit menu (to wps) with stop button?
21:32:48SlasheriLear: yes, i tried that
21:32:54Slasherii hope it works now as it should
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21:33:31LearLooks like it should. Didn't see that solution though. :)
21:33:40Slasherinice :)
21:34:02Slasheriyeah, i was little confused by the _PRE -definition earlier and misunderstood its meaning =)
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21:38:55LearNow the question is: why only for the iriver targets? :)
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21:44:51Slasherioh, i didn't think that at all :) hmm, of course it should be enabled for all targets then..
21:45:31Slasherior all targets which have the power button function as stop button also
21:46:46Slasherihmm, but i am not sure which players have that functionality..
21:49:55LearYes, maybe better to leave that to those who actually have players with suitable buttons...
21:50:51blueyApostel^: rsync rules :)
21:51:04blueybut i can't get my script working from a vfat device :S
21:52:26Apostle^how do i select the backdrop again
21:53:37Apostle^ ipod is frozen
21:54:31Apostle^what do i do
21:54:56Apostle^got it
21:55:05blueyhold select and menu
21:55:05Apostle^how do i select backdrop ?
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21:56:28BoD[]Hello, crowd!
21:56:59BoD[]what is uppp
21:57:30Apostle^nothing yo
21:57:43midkayhey BoD[] :)
21:58:07Apostle^how do i change my bg again
21:58:25midkayApostle^, hold select on a .bmp file and "set as backdrop", i think will work.
21:58:36midkayput it in /.rockbox/backdrops to retain it after reboots..
21:58:49Apostle^gonna get a theme now
21:59:01midkaychoose mine!!
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21:59:09Apostle^which 1
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21:59:59essoeI like joltamp
22:00:08essoeI think its kinda funny it looks like a winamp skin
22:00:17Apostle^midkay: how do i install a theme with the 4 folders
22:00:25midkayput them all in /.rockbox/
22:00:36midkayessoe, it's cool, but.. funny? :)
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22:01:18essoemidkay- I was really happy to find that one.. at somepoint going to have to try and make my own, I'm looking forward to developing some stuff for rockbox
22:01:36Apostle^i like ipod vision nao
22:01:39Apostle^it's the winner for me
22:01:51midkayessoe, that's cool
22:02:06BHSPitLappyvision nao?
22:02:15BoD[]skins rule
22:02:27Apostle^one more thing where does the doomwad go
22:02:30essoedo you need a 5G to usion ipod vision?
22:02:34essoeuse even
22:02:55blueyi think there is a nano version
22:03:14Apostle^wow vision nao is pretty
22:03:28Apostle^im using it on a nano
22:03:43Apostle^wow it's prettier then regular ipod
22:03:52essoeis the album art patch hard to apply?
22:04:21blueynot if it's uptodate
22:05:47Apostle^where does doomwad go again?
22:07:11Apostle^just the calculator function is priceless :-p
22:07:31essoethis is probably a dumb question, but what file do I apply a patch? .. running linux, so have patch, but not sure of the syntax or what file to patch
22:07:49Apostle^whats the patch do
22:08:09essoeone for album art, and one for scrolling margins
22:08:17blueyadds albumart
22:08:54Apostle^guys where does doomwad go
22:09:05bluey patch −−binary -p0 < patch.file
22:09:09blueyfor patching rockbox
22:10:38blueyinto /games/doom/addons/
22:10:39essoethanks bluey
22:11:41Apostle^bluey: in rockbox or no
22:11:56*ender` yawns
22:12:42blueyin .rockbox
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22:15:50essoecpp0: config.h: No such file or directory
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22:15:51essoeHeader parsed
22:15:51essoeCC sysfont.c
22:15:52***Alert Mode level 1
22:15:52essoecc1: Invalid option `long-calls'
22:15:54essoemake[1]: *** [/media/mp3/2/rockbox-daily-20060403/build-dir/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1
22:15:56essoemake: *** [all] Error 2
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22:21:51essoedo I need to get a special version of gcc?
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22:24:17bluey^awywhich version do you use?
22:25:06essoegcc version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
22:25:23bluey^awyfor arm-elf ???
22:25:53***Alert Mode OFF
22:26:22essoeI dont think I have one
22:26:32essoeI downloaded some install script .sh yesterday and couldnt get it to work
22:26:48essoewait nm
22:26:48essoe arm-elf-gcc -vReading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-elf/2.95.3/specs
22:26:49essoegcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)(ColdFire patches - 20010318 from XIP and shared lib patches from
22:26:50bluey^awytake a look at the wiki
22:27:21bluey^awyyou need gcc 4.0.3 ( i use 4.1) for arm-elf
22:27:29bluey^awyat least for the ipod builds
22:28:08bluey^awyi'm awy now cu
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22:32:57lostlogicSlasheri: hard to start defines?
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22:39:31macdonalderis that a recent change? I think I've been using 4.0.2....
22:39:42macdonalderfor ipod
22:39:50midkay4.0.2 is fine
22:39:57macdonalderk :D
22:39:59midkayeven recommended i think..
22:40:06midkayagain, check the wiki to be sure.
22:40:07lostlogicI still use 3.4.5, I think...
22:40:08macdonalderyeah I just went with what was recommended
22:40:18lostlogicno, I lied 4.0.2
22:40:22midkaylostlogic, not for ARM? hahaha
22:40:22mtnbkrcan someone help me with extracting the apple firmware from the bootpartition.bin file with ipod_fw? docs say that apple_os.bin should be about 5MB, mine is 40BYTES. :(
22:40:25amiconnFor arm targets, 4.0.x is recommended.
22:41:40macdonalderthat duder who's working on the 3G builds isn't around is he? I've managed to compile and install rockbox on a 3G but I don't know enough about rockbox to debug
22:41:53macdonalderjust kind of hoping to put my hat in the ring as a tester or something
22:42:44lostlogicmacdonalder: haven't heard form him in a pretty long while, I don't think
22:42:56macdonalderhmm *shrugs*
22:43:15macdonaldermaybe I'll get some time after school is done ;)
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22:53:35*lostlogic upgrades his build server to 4.0.3 for shits and giggles
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22:56:12mtnbkrcan anyone help me in my quest to get rockbox on my iPod 2g
22:56:51lostlogicmtnbkr: none of the developers have 3g or older ipods
22:58:08sharpelostlogic, guess what i got working... :D
22:58:11mtnbkrlostlogic: arg... :(
22:58:16lostlogicsharpe: which what?
22:58:24sharpethe c64 emulator
22:58:36lostlogicsharpe: yeah, I saw your mentoin of text display on it
22:58:36peturZagor: idea for the tracker: maybe add targets such as 'iriver' and 'ipod' to the list for reports/patches that are common to all players of that platform?
22:58:52lostlogicis this entirely your own from scratch emu?
22:59:02sharpeminus the cpu emulator, yeah.
22:59:18Apostle^hey i put the doom wad in /games/doom/addons
22:59:24Apostle^but it still says not found
22:59:34lostlogicApostle^: you need to have rockdoom.wad in /games/doom
22:59:35sharpeshouldn't the wads just be in /games/doom ?
22:59:47midkaysharpe, the standard doom/doom2 etc ones should..
22:59:48Apostle^lostlogic: okay
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23:00:04midkayApostle^, if it's doom.wad, it should be in just /games/doom
23:00:05sharpearrghh... headache
23:00:14sharpefor the past like, five hours
23:00:34midkayhm. wait. wait. wait. i got it. wait. wait. wait. wait. wait. take some medicine.
23:00:47lostlogicdrugs are bad.
23:01:01sharpedidn't they teach you that in school?
23:01:04midkaylostlogic, drugs are only bad when they're not good.
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23:01:47sharpemidkay, that's somewhat like saying a bomb blew up because it was built poorly.
23:01:48lostlogicmidkay: I'm special, I refuse to take pain killers unless I'm paralyzed from pain
23:02:13Moosindeed, drugs are good when *really* needed
23:02:46midkaylostlogic, of course.. everybody knows you're special from the moment they begin talking to you for the first time.
23:02:54sharpeand because i have a headache, it gives me the ability to bitch about things longer than i usually can
23:03:06midkaylostlogic, and being special is nothing to be ashamed of.
23:03:07Moosmidkay: haha :D
23:03:37amiconnHaha, I'm just 'listening' to the fps test on remote
23:04:17Apostle^hey i have the rockdoom.wad in games/doom
23:04:22Apostle^but it still says i got no wads
23:04:39Mikachudo you have the game wad too?
23:04:41Apostle^does /games/doom
23:04:41Moosamiconn: did you discovered something ?
23:04:42Apostle^yea i do
23:04:50Apostle^dos /games/doom go in rockbox ?
23:05:01Apostle^thats the problem
23:05:07amiconnIf you have a ticking remote, and run test_fps with boosted cpu, the ticking turns into tweeting, or trilling
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23:05:41amiconnI made lcd_remote_update() more than twice as fast (without ticking reduction)
23:05:46midkaythat would make it rather easy to write a bird_call.rock!
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23:05:54*Moos thanks God the remote ticking goes out when he installed Rockbox on his iriver
23:05:55 Quit Rick (Client Quit)
23:06:01sharpeand the emulator works in executing basic commands
23:06:28amiconnMoos: The ticking is a strange issue, as it depends on both the main unit and the remote
23:06:28sharpehence the PRINT "ROCKBOX C64" in the screen dump of it
23:06:48amiconnMy H140 doesn't tick at all, but my H340 does tick, with the very same remote
23:07:06oboMikachu: did you say you had some piezo code that triggered on input events?
23:07:08Moosamiconn: yeah, I was surprised when I heard no more ticking before the Slasheri's option
23:07:17Moosamiconn: uch :(
23:07:20Mikachuobo: yeah sort of
23:07:41amiconnMoos: Maybe you would again hear ticking with my super-optimised driver
23:07:50Mooshehe : )
23:07:52obocan I beg/borrow/steal it off you? :)
23:08:09sharpesuper optimized driver...
23:08:20Moosamiconn: if you want I test, let me know
23:08:33Mikachuobo: it sends a constant tone until you change it or call _stop
23:08:46obocool - thanks
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23:09:33amiconnI get 126/378 fps on remote now (unboosted/boosted). The old driver managed 52/156 fps
23:09:37Mikachuobo: i stole it from preglow :)
23:09:49Apostle^how do i acutally play the doom
23:09:52Apostle^it';s just like a video
23:09:52Mooslostlogic: for the mp3_encoder patch, I think preglow will look at it and commit it when he'll back
23:10:04MikachuApostle^: press a button to get the menu
23:10:11amiconnThat's w/o ticking reduction. With ticking reduction the old driver only managed 24/36.5 fps
23:10:16Apostle^Mikachu: nothing works
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23:10:26Moosamiconn: wow
23:11:14Apostle^Mikachu: yea nothing works
23:11:20oboApostle^: try flicking hold on and off
23:13:15lostlogicMoos: I figured
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23:15:59warthawgwhat's the best environment for rockbox development on linux? do any of the ide's work ok?
23:16:12Mikachuany ide should work fine
23:16:26Bgerwarthawg most people use vi/emacs/kate ...
23:16:58warthawgyep, that's what I am using. but was curious if ajunta would work
23:17:12sharpeuse a very tiny magnet attached to tweasers and write the bits on the hard disk yourself
23:17:33warthawgsharpe: it's so hard to get those things lined up right
23:18:05sharpeespecially if you start going in the opposite direction the disk spins
23:18:20lostlogicwarthawg: it would be a rare project where the ide you use to work on it matters
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23:20:00Mikachusharpe: that will be really hard with those new perpendicular storage drives
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23:29:07BHSPitLappyperpendicular all the way!
23:30:17sharpe"Parents should regularly 'google' their child's name to see what pops up. Don't be afraid to use filtering software. Even if you don't have a computer at home, set some rules. Your child will find access to a computer in places such as school, a friend's house, and the local library."
23:30:50sharpe"Learn how to examine your Web browser's 'History' files or cache."
23:30:55Mikachuthey would find out i was a hockey playre
23:31:12Mikachuand and a professor in stockholm
23:31:29sharpe"Teach your child to come up with an alias, or fake name to use on the web. If they are being harassed, they will have a way of vacating the situation."
23:31:39goffa_i looked it up once.. i was a midget wrestler who wasn't very good
23:31:45goffa_and a race car driver
23:32:00goffa_and found some guy in maryland that does the same job that i do
23:32:01sharpei'm a doctor with a phd and bachelor of science degree in sport exercises.
23:32:12sharpealso someone in tenessee
23:32:30sharpeand have a bridge named after me
23:32:35goffa_lol... and i contributed money to bargo energy co
23:32:38sharpewhich is ironically, my name.
23:32:52BHSPitLappyI'm a city coucilmember with a DUI.
23:33:01Mikachuand apparently i contributed to some project called rockbox
23:33:06 Part overflow-1 ("Leaving")
23:33:13BHSPitLappysharpe: lets not forget a marker
23:33:15goffa_he he he.. that couldn't be true
23:33:31sharpethis information coming from a brochure my local school system has provided me.
23:33:47sharpe"Positive aspects to blogging"
23:33:52sharpe"Blodding tips for teens"
23:34:19Mikachuweb logging!
23:34:25BHSPitLappy"Rember, go across the river, not down it"
23:34:32Apostle^hmm i set a dif shoot key in doom and now i have no shoot
23:34:44goffa_damn.. i didn't think tim goff was that common of a name
23:34:45MikachuBHSPitLappy: isn't it 'go across the road, not down the street'?
23:34:50Paul_The_NerdThe second entry when I google my name is me at rockbox
23:35:01Paul_The_NerdThe first is some expert of all things Titanic
23:35:09BHSPitLappyMikachu: What???
23:35:10*BHSPitLappy bleeds to death
23:35:23Mikachuwell, there are probably a few variations
23:35:45BHSPitLappyI'm a jeweler and some guy with a DUI
23:36:26sharpei'm a doctor and someone with a portfolio
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23:36:41Mikachuso if i google for all those things, can i figure out your name?
23:36:46goffa_ha ha ha
23:36:49goffa_image search
23:37:03Mikachugoffa_: i always read "ha" with spaces between as very sarcastic
23:37:56sharpehmm... image search, nothing dealing with me, except for picture of bridges.
23:38:12goffa_usually it is Mikachu ... other times its the same as lol
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23:38:38goffa_pic of me about half way down :)
23:39:55sharpeapparantly you are experienced in the way of pipe bombs.
23:40:33goffa_lol.. yup...
23:40:45goffa_it would appear that way
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23:41:10goffa_just hope my parents don't find out
23:41:36sharpeeverything that reference my name in google, is either a bridge, or rockbox
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23:43:14Apostle^what are the voice files
23:43:23Mikachuheh, first hit that's actually me is from the zsh dev list
23:43:38Mikachuand next one is rockbox heh
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23:44:24linuxmattI need a bit of help with the bootloader
23:44:24MikachuApostle^: files with voices
23:44:42linuxstblinuxmatt: Which bootloader?
23:44:55Apostle^wih rockboy
23:44:56Mikachuoh no, impossible tab completing
23:45:00Apostle^i can play gameboy games?
23:45:07Mikachunot on ipods
23:45:20Mikachuwell, not on the nano i think
23:45:36linuxstblinuxmatt: What's the problem?
23:45:37Paul_The_Nerdlinuxmatt: What problem are you having, as "I need a bit of help" stops a bit short of describing where things go wrong. :)
23:45:41sharpedid i tell anyone about the 20q rockbox plugin i had thought of?
23:45:52Paul_The_NerdA 20q rockbox plugin would rock
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23:46:09Apostle^20q ?
23:46:17Maglor_equalefthya people
23:46:32*linuxstb sees 79 bugs in the bug tracker and 3 weeks until release...
23:46:36Paul_The_NerdApostle^: At least I think he means "20 questions"
23:46:55 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:47:20Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: That's less than 4 a day.
23:47:24sharpeyeah, i meant that
23:47:25linuxmattI followed the directions. and rockbox works great, but I can't get back into the apple firmware. I tried holding menu on boot as explained in the wiki, but it still boots to rockbox
23:47:35Mikachulinuxstb: closing spree!
23:47:35linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: No problem then... :)
23:47:47Mikachulinuxmatt: try harder
23:48:00Mikachulinuxmatt: you have to release menu after you press it to boot, then hold it down again
23:48:19linuxmattok i'll try that
23:48:27Paul_The_Nerdlinuxmatt: Yeah, you need to press it again almost immediately after pressing menu to turn on the player. Very early.
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23:50:35linuxmattstill booting rockbox
23:50:44Mikachuyou have to not wiggle your finger either
23:50:54 Quit PaulJ (".")
23:50:57Mikachuthe scroll events will override the pressed button usually
23:51:11linuxmattthe disk mode and diagnostics mode still work
23:51:34Mikachuyeah they are easier to trigger
23:51:43 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:51:51linuxmattk i got it thanks
23:52:03Apostle^rockbox is phat
23:52:07Apostle^i wonder how good ipodlinux is
23:52:33linuxmatt is there a way to make it default to origional firmware and use keypress to boot rockbox?
23:53:16Mikachuif you really wanted
23:53:19Paul_The_NerdNot the Rockbox bootloader. It's designed for people who actually intend to use Rockbox for its stated purpose. If you want to though, you could use iPodLinux's Loader2
23:54:00Apostle^is ipodlinux good, how does it compare to rockbox ?
23:54:31Mikachuit's almost orthogonal to rockbox
23:54:43linuxmattheh 6the instructions for installing linux on the 5g are so confusing, not officially supported, so i haven't tried it
23:54:48Apostle^lol and that word means?
23:54:57Mikachuyou'll know when you get older ;)
23:55:05Mikachuit means they don't share many things
23:55:07linuxmatti think it has something to do with feet
23:55:17Paul_The_NerdBagder: Thanks for killing those posts. :)
23:55:34Bagderthanks for pointing it out
23:55:38sharpei never realize i had this part of code dealing with a negative number...
23:55:53MikachuBagder: did you see the thing i said earlier about rockbox-sf on /mail?
23:56:03BagderMikachu: no, what about it?
23:56:20Paul_The_NerdApostle^: At right angles to each other. Going in different directions. Rockbox is pretty focused on music features. Linux is spread out, and designed to do "stuff"
23:56:22Bagderoh, it says sourceforge
23:56:29MikachuBagder: well, there's no such mailing list and the link is broken
23:56:38Mikachuit's intended for sf bug mail
23:56:38Apostle^Paul_The_Nerd: i like stuff :-P
23:56:51BagderMikachu: the lists is still there and used
23:56:56MikachuBagder: hm
23:57:01Bagderfor flyspray mail
23:57:14Mikachuthe broken archive link confused me then
23:57:28Bagderyeah, the archive link is wrong
23:57:30Mikachuyou could update the blurb if you're bored though
23:57:44BagderI'll do that
23:58:11Paul_The_NerdApostle^: Well, it has games and various programs, but it's really aimed at making the iPod into something other than a music player.

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