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#rockbox log for 2006-04-10

00:00:00 Join JdGordon [0] (
00:00:35Paul_The_NerdNot *yet*
00:00:45goffa_yeah.. they're working on it
00:00:53Paul_The_NerdBut it seems progress has been made in that direction, so for once I think hope is warranted. :)
00:01:02Apostle^wouldn't you guys have to pay
00:01:05Apostle^for .wma format thoug
00:01:11Apostle^t microsoft own it
00:01:21goffa_no... they are working on their own code
00:01:29Paul_The_NerdThere's an open source implementation that's being adapted.
00:01:37Apostle^.wma blows anyway
00:01:42Apostle^either FLAC or mp3 for me
00:01:51Mikachuwhy not flac and ogg?
00:01:52goffa_i'd rather have musepack than wma any day
00:02:16goffa_and yeah.. i seem to prefer ogg these days.. well ogg and flac
00:02:27muesli__goffa i c u didnt turn to stone ;)
00:02:41goffa_ha ha ha... not yet
00:02:51Apostle^i dont like ogg
00:02:56 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-4111077806543047)
00:03:01goffa_when did you last try it?
00:03:18Apostle^awhile ago
00:03:20Apostle^sounds weird to me
00:03:30goffa_ah.. its improved recently
00:03:42Paul_The_NerdAlso, tell me tell me tell me you did not transcode from MP3 to OGG
00:03:42goffa_and q6-7 sounds pretty good to me
00:03:44Mikachuum, has it changed at all in the last couple of years?
00:03:45dpassen1I've still never found a reason to leave the universality of MP3
00:03:46linuxmattk well i'm gonna go so byebye
00:03:52Paul_The_NerdI've heard so many people say that ogg sounds funny, and then I hear they transcoded.
00:04:01goffa_EW cardinal sin.. .transcoding lossy
00:04:05muesli__i dont like ogg too
00:04:08 Quit linuxmatt ("Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...")
00:04:10MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: i transcode 192kbps mp3 to 100kbps ogg
00:04:15*Mikachu watches Paul_The_Nerd fall over and die
00:04:22Paul_The_Nerddpassen1: Some of us avoid MP3 simply because... *dies*
00:04:34*Paul_The_Nerd mutters something in his last moments about being philosophically opposed to software patents.
00:04:53 Join harbel [0] (
00:04:59dpassen1Understood, but its such a standard, and LAME does high quality at ~200kbps and Gapless
00:05:09Apostle^rockbox is worth using just so you can drag/drop music to the ipod
00:05:13Mikachump3 is an algorithm patent though
00:05:13dpassen1I like being able to send a friend a song
00:05:14goffa_what gives me best quality is taking 128 mp3.. transcoding to vqf, then to flac... then to wav
00:05:23dpassen1vqf, nice
00:05:23goffa_takes a while longer.. but the file size is worth it
00:05:29Apostle^never heard of it
00:05:34Mikachuvery queer format
00:05:41Paul_The_NerdMikachu: But that's basically what software patents are, are patents on algorithms, which in the end are math.
00:05:59goffa_96 was the highest bitrate it allowed
00:05:59goffa_well when i last followed it
00:06:00MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: not like the amazon one click thing and similar retarded things
00:06:05goffa_and it was really good for 96... but it was still 96
00:06:20borges|afk_is it possible to find out what font is loaded at the moment?
00:06:25MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: but i think i do agree with you :)
00:06:28dpassen1I remember hearing that WMA at a time was bsed on VQF
00:06:31muesli__btw what was the reason to break playback so badly?
00:06:37 Nick borges|afk_ is now known as borges_ (n=chatzill@
00:06:43Mikachumuesli__: for fun
00:06:54muesli__of course ;)
00:06:56 Join grout58 [0] (
00:06:58Mikachumuesli__: the end result should be better hopefully
00:06:58muesli__what else..
00:06:59goffa_no... wma wasn't based on vqf
00:07:10Mikachumuesli__: the code was a bit crazy i hear
00:07:13grout58hey how do i install rockbox on my ipod video?
00:07:20goffa_competed directly with wma for a while
00:07:24Paul_The_Nerdgrout58: You read the instructions.
00:07:39muesli__Paul_The_Nerd teacher style ;) nice
00:07:42grout58i did but the automatic installer isnt working
00:07:42goffa_because microsoft claimed that 96k wma was cd quality to most listeners
00:07:55 Part Maglor_equaleft
00:08:07Paul_The_Nerdgrout58: The automatic installer is not ours. Click the link, and read the instructions.
00:08:09goffa_and i guess to a group of untrained ears in a lab .. a case could be made
00:08:21harbelCan anyone help me with patching rockbox? I searched but couldn't find anything
00:08:23dpassen1CD-quality is hard enough a concept to define
00:08:35goffa_flac=cd quality
00:08:41Mikachuif you have an ogg file in 96khz, is that better than cd quality?
00:08:42goffa_lossless is cd quality
00:08:44Paul_The_Nerdharbel: Did you try ?
00:08:50grout58isnt rockbox linux?
00:08:53dpassen1Well, when a lossy codec says achieves CD quality, I assume they mean transparency
00:08:57Paul_The_Nerdgrout58: No. It's not.
00:09:05goffa_at least thats my opinion if they are trying to sell it
00:09:19goffa_i guess thats why i'm so anti itunes, etc
00:09:29goffa_because it doesn't sound good enough to me
00:09:38Paul_The_Nerdgoffa_: Have you seen Mindawn?
00:10:06Paul_The_NerdThey sell ogg and flac
00:10:10goffa_oh... cool
00:10:19goffa_do they have a big catalog?
00:10:26harbelPaul_The_Nerd: I don't really understand the instructions on the page very well
00:10:26goffa_and are the prices reasonable?
00:10:31Paul_The_NerdIt's fairly large, but not necessarily stuff you've heard of
00:10:42Paul_The_NerdIf I recall it's 99 cents for ogg, and 1.24 for flac
00:11:04borges_uhm, can anyone give me a hint how i could find out the name of the font i have loaded at the moment?
00:11:04goffa_i've just been hitting cd bargain bins
00:11:07goffa_that's still cheaper
00:11:11Paul_The_Nerdharbel: Well, let's go from the start. Have you set up a development environment and successfully attempted to compile rockbox?
00:11:18goffa_like (if you can find a deal)...
00:11:37Paul_The_Nerdgoffa_: That is *absolutely* my preferred method. I've yet to purchase music online, but I support mindawn just because of their format choices and their DRM-free philosophy
00:11:40Mikachuborges_: write a .cfg and open it in the text viewer
00:12:15goffa_yeah... i support that too Paul_The_Nerd
00:12:33goffa_things are going that way... i just don't want to see cds die without a comparable replacement
00:13:35dpassen1As in a physical medium, or the quality
00:13:54goffa_flac can acutally be better than cd
00:14:12 Quit ender` (" If enough data is collected, anything may be proven by statistical methods.")
00:14:22dpassen1as in 24-bit, 96Khz?
00:15:03dpassen1multichannel, as well
00:15:30Mikachuhow do you rate a multichannel 24-bit 96KHz ogg file?
00:15:35harbelPaul_The_Nerd: Well I'm running windows with cygwin, and I've attempted compiling but it won't
00:15:37dpassen1I always favored WavPack for lossless
00:15:38Mikachuless or more than cd quality?
00:15:54dpassen1Mikachu: If it was ripped from a CD, less
00:16:15goffa_wavpack is good too.. just that musicpd doesn't sepport it
00:16:16Mikachucompressed from a multichannel 24-bit 96KHz source obviously
00:16:34Mikachuomg i zoomed this picture 100x look at the quality
00:16:36borges_Mikachu: that doesn't reveal me the name... or does it?
00:16:37goffa_i have to fire up xmms to listen to my .wv files
00:17:00Paul_The_Nerdharbel: "it won't" what? Also, have you tried the VMWare Development environment? Either way, you need to be able to compile before you can use patches.
00:17:07dpassen1I like the idea of the hybrid mode, decent sized files on a portable, lossless with correction on laptop
00:17:49goffa_that is nice
00:18:01goffa_optimfrog was planning on that too
00:18:24dpassen1Yeah, WavPack also happens to run rather well on the iRiver-H1x0s
00:18:40goffa_hmm... $9/album flac on that minidawn.. thats almost reasonable
00:19:06goffa_yeah... havent tried on my iaudio but i presume the same
00:19:30dpassen1The creator of WavPack also seems to be a rather nice guy, helped with Rockbox, posts on Hydrogenaudio, etc.
00:20:21harbelPaul_The_Nerd: It won't compile, and nope, I haven't
00:20:27dpassen1Not that that should influence it
00:21:04Paul_The_Nerdharbel: The VMWare environment compiles faster, and requires less effort to set up, though it takes up more disk space. I can't help with your cygwin problem without more information, if you still want to try that, but I strongly suggest using vmware
00:21:09goffa_no.. but nice trivia
00:25:10dpassen1Whatever gives you the warm fuzzy feeling of placebo, eh?
00:25:22goffa_he he he.. yup
00:26:50goffa_but the lossy/less concept is really apealing
00:26:50goffa_just from a musicpd standpoint it sucks :)
00:26:50goffa_but that's not wavpack's fault
00:26:50DBUGEnqueued KICK goffa_
00:26:50goffa_that x player doesn't support it
00:27:01goffa_we'd all be on mp3 if that was the case
00:27:19goffa_or itunes
00:27:34 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection)
00:27:35Galois96k ogg beat out 96k wma by a metric mile in the most recent HA test
00:27:50goffa_i'd believe that...
00:27:52Galoisin fack, 96k ogg beat 128k mp3 for pop music
00:28:48goffa_i'd believe that too
00:30:28 Join ashridah [0] (
00:30:34goffa_i had a friend transcode 64k vqf to 96k wma ... now that was pain
00:31:32 Part borges_ ("hmmm...")
00:34:44 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 :")
00:34:45harbelPaul_The_Nerd: How would I set up a VMware environment?
00:35:07 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
00:37:40 Quit bluebrother^ ("Leaving")
00:39:30CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:39:30*petur goes to his closet and puts on his RTFM t-shirt
00:41:36peturand yes, I have one :D
00:44:04 Part chi ("gimmie XMMS2!")
00:44:23 Quit imphasing ("Lost terminal")
00:45:29grout58how do i get doom 2 for rockbox?
00:47:29ashridahgrout58: well, the cvs/dailies ship with doom's plugin. you'll need the rockdoom.wad file from the wiki, and doom2.wad
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00:50:08 Part raf82
00:52:18grout58ashridah ok i got the wads now where do i put them?
00:53:09 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!")
00:53:48grout58so just create a dir in the ipods root /games/doom/
00:53:52grout58and put the wads there?
00:54:12ashridahyou could always try :)
00:55:02goffa_worst thing that could happen is that your player may spontaneously combust... resulting in a chain reaction that causes your death
00:55:09goffa_but that's rare :)
00:55:19 Join XavierGr [0] (
00:56:23Paul_The_NerdHappened to me once.
00:56:36Paul_The_NerdI am now the smallest minority in Rockbox Users: Zombie.
00:57:42peturhow's your pc now - got it fixed?
00:58:19Paul_The_NerdLaptop's out for warranty repairs still. Supposed to get it back on the 15th.
00:58:46goffa_what happened to it?
00:58:58peturBagder: the tracker isn't responding anymore
00:59:27peturah it's back again
00:59:40Paul_The_Nerdgoffa_: The hinges were cracked causing the screen to flicker occasionally (factory recall for that) but that was minor. The AC adapter tip melted the plastic around itself attaching itself to the laptop
01:00:09 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
01:01:09grout58is there a list somewhere of other games i can get on rockbox?
01:01:18sharpenow i'm going to try... actual text output, instead of a simple lookup table...
01:02:26sharpeeither it will be correct, flipped diagonally, not show at all, or crash.
01:02:37 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
01:02:58*Paul_The_Nerd hopes for "crash"
01:03:05 Quit petur ("ZzzZzz")
01:03:12sharpewhy hope for a crash?
01:03:21Paul_The_NerdBecause that's the most fun?
01:03:36sharpebut not the most visually appealing, or satisfying...
01:03:38 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenw├╝rmer")
01:04:01Paul_The_NerdWell yeah
01:04:06Paul_The_NerdTHAT would be "flipped diagonally"
01:04:09sharpesomething works
01:05:33Mikachugrout58: all games are included
01:05:35grout58does rockbox enable the ipod to play more video codecs?
01:05:46midkayno, fewer.. none.
01:06:11BHSPitLappylol, less
01:06:12grout58really my ipod cant play video anymore?
01:06:29midkayunless you boot to the apple firmware.
01:06:30Mikachuno, never again! it is forever disabled
01:06:30BHSPitLappygrout58: why?
01:06:41midkayBHSPitLappy, maybe, um, he wants to play video? :O
01:06:48grout58how do i boot into the apple firmware?
01:06:50BHSPitLappyrockbox starts off by burning out the video processor
01:06:56BHSPitLappygrout58: reboot and hold MENU
01:07:03grout58ah ok
01:07:05BHSPitLappyyou have to start holding menu at JUST the right time, though
01:07:08BHSPitLappyit's very picky
01:07:11sharpeit's like a game
01:07:12midkaybefore the apple logo shows up..
01:07:17sharpelike the whackamole games
01:07:19goffa_lol BHSPitLappy
01:07:25BHSPitLappyit's there for your benefit
01:07:25Paul_The_Nerdgrout58: This page could be helpful to you in general:
01:07:39BHSPitLappyhow dull would an easily operable bootloader be?
01:07:56sharpewe have to have at least six levels of complexity for it to be fun
01:09:29sharpefor instance, the keypress has to happen on an even second, odd minute, odd millisecond, and on a multiple of 3 millseconds
01:09:52Mikachuan even multiple!
01:10:01goffa_that way you don't need to program games
01:10:03Paul_The_NerdHe said odd millisecond
01:10:04goffa_its already fun
01:10:08 Quit swampcow (Client Quit)
01:10:11Mikachuyes, that's why an odd multiple would be fun
01:10:16Mikachui mean even
01:10:20Paul_The_NerdSo, a multiple of 6, minus 3
01:10:39sharpebut it also has to happen when it's not a full moon.
01:10:48sharpenor any complete phases
01:11:30sharpeheh, i have the correct text output...
01:11:39sharpeplacement of supposed characters
01:11:44sharpejust not the characters.
01:14:14linuxstbHas anyone tested today's libmad patch on an ipod? Sadly, I can't notice very much (if any) improvement.
01:14:26midkaylibmad patch?!
01:14:31midkay*runs to check*
01:15:03Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Don't I remember there being talk of how IRAM wasn't as useful on iPod, or is my brain fuzzy again?
01:15:06midkayhm, i'll have to try that in a little bit..
01:15:28Mikachueither amiconn or preglow said something about moving something to iram didn't help, or even made it worse
01:15:29linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, both preglow and I have found that.
01:15:58linuxstbWhen I was optimising pacbox, I even managed to slow it down by moving some things to iram.
01:16:19Mikachuhm, i almost remembered right then :)
01:16:38Paul_The_NerdAnd that patch accomplishes part of what it's doing by moving things to IRAM.
01:16:40 Quit tianjing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:17:04Paul_The_NerdI would laugh if the move to IRAM caused a performance hit, and the other two things caused a gain, so that the net was almost 0 on ipod.
01:17:30Mikachuhas anyone tried disabling iram completely on ipods then? :)
01:17:34linuxstbpreglow's been threatening to build a "no IRAM" version of Rockbox for the ipod. I'm not sure if he has though.
01:17:41sharpeahah, i kind of have something
01:17:49sharpethe '@' symbol displays correctly
01:18:00sharpebut the space is a reversed 'D'
01:18:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:19:10sharpeand all the other characters are partially part of random characers...
01:19:36 Quit harbel ("Leaving")
01:19:56 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:20:36midkaylinuxstb, haha, what could be expected of a no-IRAM rockbox? faster? about the same?
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01:21:36sharpecharacter video display works
01:21:44midkaysharpe, congrats :)
01:21:44FA-Tha_Stighi, anyone here to help?
01:21:45sharpei have each character reveresed
01:22:14FA-Tha_Stigi just discovered this unique alien technology :P.....are there any bugs with it concerning the i-pod nano 2GB?
01:22:17sharpeon accident, of course....
01:22:56midkayFA-Tha_Stig, well, yes, there must always be bugs, but everything that should work generally does :)
01:23:20FA-Tha_Stigsoo in case my nano is havin troubles, is there a way to get the original firmware back?
01:23:35linuxstbAh, disabling IRAM means Doom is too big for the plugin buffer...
01:23:40midkayyes, and after installing rockbox you can choose whether to boot to the apple firmware or rockbox..
01:23:49FA-Tha_Stigoo, nice :P
01:23:50Mikachulinuxstb: not for mine :)
01:24:16linuxstbMikachu: You and your tiny lcd...
01:24:36Mikachui'm not sure how the lcd relates to my crazy plugin buffer
01:25:15Mikachui'd be happy to run a timedemo with iram on and off if it's relatively simple to not use iram
01:25:21linuxstbMikachu: Sorry, forgot that...
01:26:03lostlogicMikachu: hey, can you give me a refresher course (here or /msg) on what breaks when doing dynamic playlisting? I seem to have a flee's memory at the moment.
01:26:29lostlogicwhatever :-P
01:26:30ashridahflee is to run away :)
01:26:38Mikachulostlogic: well, as it turned out, it only breaks if you do Insert Shuffled with an empty playlist, but you can't do that in cvs :)
01:26:41FA-Tha_Stigthanks for the link midkay
01:26:47Mikachulostlogic: nevertheless, that used to work fine
01:26:53Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Did you end up fixing the ones I mentioned?
01:26:56midkayFA-Tha_Stig, no problem.. any unanswered questions, feel free to ask.
01:27:08Mikachulostlogic: i haven't tried Insert Shuffled with a nonempty playlist though
01:27:20 Quit ashridah ("uni :(")
01:27:22lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: hmm, refresh me too, since I can't spell, nor remember things at the moment.
01:27:29sharpeit looks great. :D
01:27:38Mikachulostlogic: i'll try that now
01:27:45lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: I'm pretty sure that 'normal' playlist actions should work fine now...
01:27:49Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: When you insert or queue a song (next, last, whatever) it also triggers a "Next track"
01:28:01lostlogic*tries it*
01:28:16Paul_The_NerdI haven't tried a build since this morning, since I've been out all day. I built about 10 hours ago I think
01:28:19Mikachuyeah hm, that seems to work fine
01:28:27Mikachubut when i do it on an empty one, all hell breaks loose basically
01:28:34lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: it's probably fixed then, but I'll double check
01:28:39Mikachuwhich i usually want to do
01:28:39sharpeheh, anyone care to comment on the video output of the c64 emulator so far? :)
01:28:43lostlogicMikachu: can you show me the patch that you use to do that?
01:28:44Mikachubecause then i don't have to go and Reshuffle it after
01:28:47Mikachuhang on
01:28:54linuxstbWell, I'm reassured a little. Disabling IRAM completely and libmad is struggling to keep the PCM buffer full and is on 100% boost.
01:29:37lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, insert next seems to work fine now.
01:30:13lostlogicit was because of the same BIG BUG in clear tracks that would zero the currently playing track
01:30:29Mikachuheh actually i can't find it
01:30:35Mikachudo you know which file has the Insert shuffled stuff?
01:30:52lostlogicMikachu: no, I was about to find out if there was still a bug in insert next :-p
01:31:09Mikachuas soon as you find it, i can give you a diff :)
01:32:25lostlogicMikachu: looks to be playlist.c
01:32:46sharpenow try to have the text displayed... not flipped.
01:33:07Mikachulostlogic: surprise, it's in onplay.c
01:33:49midkaysharpe, haha. cool.
01:34:29lostlogicMikachu: and what happens when you try to use this feature now?
01:34:52Mikachulostlogic: a playlist with weird entries is created and lots of errors pop up while it tries to play them
01:35:08Mikachulooks mostly like random data in View Playlist
01:35:33lostlogicMikachu: sweet.
01:36:04lostlogicI can't figure anything that I've done that would effect that
01:36:43Mikachui still haven't figured out how to clear a playlist properly
01:37:29sharpecorrectly oriented text output
01:39:06sharpeyou say the revered text screen shot didn't you?
01:39:08midkaysigh! that sucks! alright fine! :(!
01:39:20midkayyes, that's what i said "cool" to !!!
01:40:09 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:40:55midkaybut you just didn't listen!
01:41:12sharpeactually, that'd only apply if i had a text to speech program running
01:41:15sharpei didn't 'see'
01:43:52midkayce n'est pas ici!
01:46:16 Part grout58 ("Leaving")
01:46:29sharpethere, i accidentally renamed the wrong file
01:47:00lostlogicsharpe: awesome!
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01:47:55lostlogicMikachu: sorry, I really don't know the playlist code, and I really don't know how anything I've chanced would have impacted it
01:48:00sharpenow, to just have it read the border/character values from ram, and that should work
01:48:13sharpeand it won't really be able to display the borders either...
01:48:21Mikachulostlogic: i didn't realize it was only the shuffled one the first time i reported it so this is okay
01:48:21webguest96newbie asking quick question.... i already have rockbox on my 5g ipod and i was wondering if i can install ipod linux without uninstalling and such
01:48:52lostlogicMikachu: :) what's my status with regard to artifacts on track skip?
01:49:06Mikachui think it's pretty good
01:49:37Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: Since you phrased it as a yes/no question, "Yes"
01:49:54lostlogicooh, found a bug for myself, track skip out of buffer leaves next track data unpopulated.
01:50:16lostlogicor... it was just a really weird track.
01:50:32webguest96thank you... and is there a special way i need to install IPL or will the way they have on their site do it fine?
01:51:55lostlogicwebguest96: you can tripple boot using their bootloader v2 I think... but don't hold me to that
01:52:05Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: You need to create a 3rd partition (fat32 is #2, the one that is the bootloader is #1) in ext2 or ext3 file system, put the iPodLinux root structure/file system there, and put the kernel .bin file in the fat32 partition named linux.bin. Make sure there's an up to date podzilla in the ext2/3 partition, and you're good to go.
01:52:14Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: You can triple boot with ours too. :)
01:52:21lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: woo
01:52:46lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: it's good you know so much more about our software than me :-\ :-D
01:53:00Mikachui also knew that
01:53:18lostlogic*hides in the corner with playback.c and pcmbuf.c*
01:53:20Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Hehehe. Well, I don't do much else other than sit here and listen. :) You actually make things work.
01:54:17lostlogicalright, so any other regressions been reported in playback that I'm missing?
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01:55:11Paul_The_NerdNot that I'm aware of.
01:55:25sharpei feel speshul
01:55:31Paul_The_NerdI should go shout "Playback is working!" in the forums, just to see if anyone replies "No it's not, you dumbass!"
01:55:57BHSPitLappyNo it's not, you dumbass!
01:56:09lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: DO IT! :) Seriously, I need all the regression reports I can get, and then amiconn and I need to figure out how to make voice more reliable
01:56:15lostlogicBHSPitLappy: ?
01:56:26lostlogicBHSPitLappy: just making trouble, or have a real bug?
01:56:40BHSPitLappytrouble, as always :(
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01:57:10*amiconn now has an emi reduction routine for the iriver remote that works better than the cvs one, and lcd updates are still faster :)
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01:58:13amiconnI get 34.5/50fps with ticking reduction (cvs: 24/36.5fps)
01:58:47amiconnJust need to implement a hook to frequency changing
01:58:57Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Okay, gonna post in a few of the forums then, and see what happens. Since nobody reads General Discussion.
01:59:14lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: You're the best :)
01:59:47lostlogicamiconn: damn, dude, you know way too much stuff.
02:00:03Mikachushould i whack him boss?
02:03:40Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: At least on the iPod board, I think they're too busy talking about doom to even notice. *sigh*
02:03:43Moosprecious amiconn : )
02:04:24amiconnMoos: I'll let you test before commit (and probably XavierGr should try it as well)
02:04:44midkayamiconn, hey, feel free to get an iPod 5G and, you know.. do some optimizations on that too.. ;)
02:04:58Moosno problem, but I'll probably go sleep soonish
02:05:10amiconnme too
02:05:39*Moos goes search for his iriver then : )
02:05:49amiconnno hurry
02:05:59amiconnI won't implement the hook right now
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02:10:30FA-Tha_Stighey im really confused :'(
02:10:36FA-Tha_Stigi dont know which files to download
02:10:47lostlogicamiconn: any thoughts on making pause and unpause off-thread events (let pause and unpause process outside of the audio_queue loop to let them happen more immediately)?
02:11:28FA-Tha_Stiganyone wanna help me go through the installation step by step?...i know most of the stuff i just dont know the correct files i need
02:11:37warthawgwhat are you installing?
02:11:43FA-Tha_Stigi-pod nano
02:12:15warthawgwell, i could help you by sending you to my ipodlinux install article
02:12:21lostlogicconnecting... USB... is making tracks clear???
02:12:23warthawgbut that isn't really necessary
02:12:48FA-Tha_Stigi just need to know the names of the correct archives i have to download :S
02:12:51FA-Tha_Stigits confusing
02:12:51Paul_The_NerdFA-Tha-Stig: Did you read the IpodInstallation wiki page?
02:13:08FA-Tha_Stigyeah, it told me what to do but not which files to download first
02:13:35Paul_The_NerdWhich step are you at that you don't know which file to download? need the name of the file im supposed to download to STArt the installation process
02:14:03Paul_The_NerdI mean, a) Download the required files tells you pretty specifically which ones to get there
02:14:33Paul_The_NerdYou did read that far into the installation instructions, right?
02:14:34FA-Tha_Stigooh, the links work...brb
02:14:39*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
02:14:43FA-Tha_Stigsorry :P
02:15:19Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Should A-B be working yet, or is the fact that that's still borked a well known thing?
02:15:27lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: should work fine
02:17:09MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: they do confuse the progressbar a bit but it should be working, or so lostlogic tells me
02:17:21Mikachuthey = a and b :)
02:17:28Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Well, someone's reported a freeze with it.
02:17:49lostlogicunfortunately I still haven't tried to enable A-B on ipod so I'll hafta do that before I can investigate.
02:18:08Mikachulostlogic: i used menu+left and menu+right for setting the points, works well enough for testing
02:18:35lostlogicMikachu: cept that a hold on menu pulls up the quick screen really soon and messes it all up?
02:19:09Mikachuwell, you have to press them more or less at the same time
02:19:15lostlogicMikachu: gotcha.
02:19:28lostlogicMikachu: I'm lazy, got a patch?
02:20:49Mikachui should learn how to use my own bot :)
02:21:15Mikachu+#define AB_REPEAT_ENABLE 1
02:21:20lostlogicyeah, that part I can manage :-p
02:21:21Mikachuin config-ipodnano.h too
02:21:27lostlogicvideo in my case ;)
02:21:36Mikachui think that's all there's to it
02:21:55Mikachumy tree is getting a bit messed up i think
02:22:02Mikachu% cvs diff|diffstat
02:22:04Mikachu 72 files changed, 1204 insertions(+), 561 deletions(-)
02:23:23lostlogicwhere to get diffstat?
02:23:33lostlogic"emerge diffstat" works
02:23:56Mikachuit's a good method to see what a diff does without actually reading it
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02:25:00lostlogic457 insertions(+), 483 deletions(-)
02:25:09lostlogicthat's my playback.c changes in the last week or two
02:25:13Mikachuyou did a better job :)
02:25:38lostlogicmy tree is closer to synched up overall than yours though.
02:25:50Mikachuadvantages of cvs commit access :)
02:28:16Moosamiconn: go to sleep, if tests on non-ticking devices still needed tommorow, I will
02:28:26Mooshave a good night or day at all
02:28:35*Paul_The_Nerd bets he's even more in sync. :-P
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02:29:02Mikachuat least amiconn committed my less clearing plugin patch
02:29:10Mikachuhas anyone noticed plugins loading a zillion times faster?
02:29:49lostlogicbagh, ab repeat works fine for me.
02:30:00lostlogicso fine in fact that I'm gonna activate it in CVS for nano and video and 4g
02:30:25Mikachuhooray less diff for me
02:30:39Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: His problem occurs when you rewind to before the A marker
02:30:43Mikachulostlogic: also, don't accidentally commit my reversal of long select and long menu
02:30:44amiconnlostlogic: Why not all ipods?
02:31:10lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: I just tested that
02:31:19Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: What happens for you?
02:31:23lostlogicamiconn: cuz different keypads
02:31:37lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: it acts as expected, winds forward to the B marker, then rewinds back to the A marker
02:31:38Mikachushould you allow the seek bar to go outside the a-b range when seeking?
02:31:48Mikachui guess it's useful on second thought
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02:32:06amiconnHmm? Afaik *all* rockbox-supported ipods have the "4g" keypad, except the partially supported 3g
02:32:13lostlogicMikachu: we need a way to make it loop properly within the box in ab repeat but I don't konw what that way is yet.
02:32:25Paul_The_NerdAnd the 3G would still probably work fine with that button combo for A-B repeat
02:32:37Mikachuit's plausible that you would want to play an intro to a song and then loop a part
02:32:41amiconn3g has no audio playback yet afaik
02:33:05lostlogicamiconn: ok, I'll turn it on for mini2g as well, that's the only one I didn't list that we support, right?
02:33:30amiconnplus color
02:33:42afruff23Can anybody explain the discrepancy between the example conditional for displaying the codec in the WPS AND the number of listed codecs?
02:33:51amiconn(4g by itself is ambiguous)
02:34:32Mikachuafruff23: someone forgot to update both parts
02:34:58afruff23so can I use use SHN in the conditional?
02:35:22afruff23SHN means Shorten
02:36:13afruff23so is the example conditional not going to work?
02:36:31FA-Tha_Stigyaaay i dunn it :P
02:36:37afruff23as in the player won't process it because it is too short of a conditional
02:37:17Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Try it and find out?
02:37:18afruff23since AAC, ALAC, SHN,abd AIFF aren;t included
02:37:34amiconnlostlogic: I'd say enable it for all 4g-keypad ipods (i.e. all we have config-* files for except the 3g)
02:38:08FA-Tha_Stighmm there are some games i cant seem to get out of without restarting
02:38:17FA-Tha_Stigis there some combination of keys i should know baout/
02:38:41Paul_The_NerdFA-Tha_Stig: Menu + Select is often what you need
02:38:49FA-Tha_Stigok, thanks
02:39:01lostlogicamiconn: is mini 1g 4g keypad?
02:39:38FA-Tha_Stigdoom says :Sorry you have no base wads
02:40:00lostlogicok, done.
02:40:35FA-Tha_Stigdamn, theres so much to this thing :o,, whoever did this is a genious
02:40:58Paul_The_NerdWell, there's a LOT of people together who did this.
02:41:05Paul_The_NerdI think upward of 130 credited so far?
02:41:33afruff23for Doom or Rockbox?
02:41:33midkay185 or so.
02:41:40midkayor.. wait.. 187?
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02:42:21sharpei've color...
02:42:41FA-Tha_Stigwel i see most of the plugins are already updated....
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02:43:06MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: i'm number 160 in CREDITS
02:43:18lostlogicbagh, there is definitely still a way to make playback do something _stupid_ by skipping tracks a lot, I think it has to do with skipping out of a track soon enough to cause it to report codec failure.
02:44:18Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I'm not in credits. :) I have not yet contributed any real code.
02:44:28sharpei'm not in there either
02:44:45MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: i think you should be in anyway, you've certainly helped a lot in other ways
02:44:55FA-Tha_Stighmm i still havent tried songs yet
02:45:31Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Naah. As it is, once I want to get in it I could always get off my lazy ass and actually write a useful patch.
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02:45:49sharpemine isn't useful!
02:45:52FA-Tha_Stigso basically i can just dump the tracks in the ipod drive and just play em?
02:45:54sharpeor, as they say.
02:45:58MikachuFA-Tha_Stig: yes
02:45:59lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: :-P your help really is appreciated, I don't know how you have the patience / energy to do what you do.
02:45:59sharpebut, i'll get back to the c64.
02:46:19nave7693hi may I make a suggestion?
02:46:26FA-Tha_Stigcool, once it unfreezes
02:46:28lostlogicnave7693: course, may or may not listen ot it :-P
02:46:36nave7693well that's your freedom
02:46:42nave7693just want to throw the idea out
02:46:44Paul_The_Nerdnave7693: Suggestions are always welcome, but there's no guarantee anything will come of it. :)
02:47:40nave7693I would like the screen that display the song info when playing use a different font than the other screens
02:48:11nave7693oh that also applies to the file browsing screens
02:48:21Mikachuthat doesn't leave a lot of other screens
02:48:29nave7693well right
02:48:46Paul_The_Nerdnave7693: There's actually a patch on the tracker for it.
02:49:18Paul_The_Nerdnave7693: And it's in the list of "Features Rockbox will probably have eventually, but everyone has more major things to work on at the moment, but if someone made a really good implementation it'd probably make its way into CVS" :)
02:50:33Paul_The_NerdBut if you're up to compiling for yourself, you could give the current patch a try. It's probably a bit outdated, but there's probably a decent chance you could finagle it into applying.
02:51:18FA-Tha_Stigmy nano stopped working
02:51:33FA-Tha_Stigwell i put in songs
02:51:34Paul_The_Nerd"stopped working" is a vague statement
02:51:38FA-Tha_Stigdisconnected it
02:51:46FA-Tha_Stigand it gave me a low battery sign
02:51:49FA-Tha_Stigand logged off
02:51:53FA-Tha_Stigi conncected it to the USB
02:51:57FA-Tha_Stigits still not responding
02:52:04Mikachudid you try pressing menu+select until it flashes th eapple?
02:52:27FA-Tha_Stigdamn u hackers
02:52:33Paul_The_Nerdnave7693: Actually, the patch was last updated 04-03-06, so it probably applies to CVS
02:52:43FA-Tha_Stigthanks it worked
02:52:51FA-Tha_Stigim new to this :S
02:52:54Mikachuyou're welcome, newbie
02:53:40lostlogicugh, there are definitely still track skipping problems where a skip will register, but not actually happen, leading to the next skip skipping two tracks.
02:53:48lostlogicbut now I must paint another ceiling.
02:54:11FA-Tha_Stighmm, its track skipping an issue with some audio formats or all/
02:54:19Mikachumaybe you will have an epiphany while you paint
02:54:28lostlogicFA-Tha_Stig: it's a bug in the playback system, so all formats.
02:54:57lostlogicMikachu: I fear this may result in me completely rehacking something else large :) :-p
02:55:14Mikachureimplement threads!
02:55:34Mikachudynamic memory management!
02:58:07midkaysecond cpu core put to use!
02:58:10midkayno seriously! do it!
02:58:37midkaylibmad @ 300% realtime!
02:58:39Paul_The_NerdBecause that will somehow fix playback issues?
02:58:53midkayif they don't affect me then nevermind them!
02:59:30*Paul_The_Nerd goes to use A-B repeat mode for the first time EVER just to see if he can reproduce this bug.
02:59:52Paul_The_NerdAnyone know what the set marker button is on iRiver?
03:01:12Mikachuit is the same as NEXT/PREV-dir it seems
03:01:32Paul_The_NerdI do not know what that combo is either
03:01:43Mikachuis iriver h100/h300 or that ifp7xx thing?
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03:02:02Mikachu#define WPS_NEXT_DIR (BUTTON_RIGHT | BUTTON_ON)
03:02:02Mikachu#define WPS_PREV_DIR (BUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_ON)
03:02:07afruff23is the iPod video the most powerful CPU nad ram wise than other rockbox players?
03:02:17afruff23and ram*
03:02:19Paul_The_NerdThe ifp7xx isn't yet at a point where I consider it a "working" target
03:02:25Mikachuramwise gamgi
03:02:32Mikachuokay, i don't keep track :)
03:02:43Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Depends on whether you count the Gigabeat WIP
03:02:48FA-Tha_StigLOVE IT ^^
03:03:27afruff23you mean the gigabeat F series?
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03:03:37Mikachuwasn't someone rewriting the wps parser too btw?
03:03:45Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: whichever one's being worked on.
03:08:49Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I can confirm that you can rewind to outside of the A-B range rather easily, but I don't get the freeze he does.
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03:09:58afruff23sorry about caps
03:10:39BHSPitLappy400MHz can run windows
03:10:56afruff23my computer's 333 mhz and it's running XP
03:11:09BHSPitLappythat's fantastic...
03:11:31afruff23what's the minimum to running XP?
03:11:36afruff23I eman windows
03:12:13Mikachuany computer without an internet connection
03:12:37afruff23because windows is virus-prone?
03:13:31Mikachui think the installer for windows 98 required more ram than windows 98 itself
03:13:34Mikachuor possibly it was 95
03:13:40Paul_The_NerdIt was 98, if I recall
03:13:58afruff23how much?
03:14:12Paul_The_NerdI think it was like 50% more, but I don't remember how much that was.
03:14:17Mikachueither 8 or 16 maybe
03:14:36Mikachuit's strange that 640kB isn't enough for bill anymore
03:15:51Paul_The_Nerd"So, Bill, we have you quoted as saying 640kb of RAM should be plenty. Can we expect this design philosophy to hold with the upcoming Windows Vista release?"
03:16:13Mikachuhaha, maybe if your gfx card has plenty of ram it will work
03:16:25afruff23I bet that thign is going to have a 512 mB minimum
03:16:29sharpehey, i'm dealing with 64kb of ram...
03:16:44Mikachuafruff23: i wouldn't be surprised if it was 1GB :)
03:17:01Paul_The_NerdI think 1gb is the current suggested, with 512 being the listed minimum, but I could be wrong
03:17:06Mikachuvariable may be used uninitialized: thing
03:17:08afruff23I jsut ahte te design philiosphy of windows as it get snewer and newer
03:17:16afruff23they trade performance in for eyecandy
03:17:23afruff23just hate the*
03:17:31Mikachui think they have a deal with hardware manufacturers
03:17:52Mikachu</conspiracy theory>
03:17:55Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: People were uninstalling Rockbox from their H300s back when it didn't have the ability to change colors or use color graphics in WPS.
03:18:13sharpegah, how do i figure out the foreground color...
03:18:18Mikachumaybe that's why the x5's selling point is COLOR STEREO
03:18:24afruff23color sound*
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03:18:32afruff23and no they put that on the M5 as well
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03:18:36afruff23the M5 is grayscale
03:18:37*Paul_The_Nerd wonders what Blue sounds like.
03:18:49Mikachufeh, close enough :)
03:19:00afruff23it's engrish
03:19:04BenacoolBlue sound likes a river!
03:19:08afruff23sicne they put it on the grayscale M5
03:19:35mongeyAre the current rockbox builds for the h300 stable
03:19:38sharpewell, it depends on how you represent your color, and what way of outputting audio you have.
03:19:45afruff23I think they meant that the device Colors sound
03:19:48afruff23that's bad
03:20:00Mikachuthat still doesn't make any sense to me
03:20:09afruff23coloring sound means distorting
03:20:38afruff23anyways, it's jsut bad translation
03:20:42afruff23yes it is stable
03:20:53Paul_The_Nerdmongey: Hopefully, yes.
03:21:10mongeyi heard that the builds after april 4th were unstable with plaback
03:21:25Mikachuhopefully that should get an upper bound too
03:21:34afruff23didn't they fix that by now
03:21:54Mikachuit's the very thing lostlogic is working on now
03:22:16afruff23downlaod an older build isntead then
03:22:31mongeywell i have aapril the second
03:22:57Paul_The_Nerdmongey: We think that the playback issues are fixed. And we'd appreciate people downloading the newest build and letting us know if they aren't. Even started a few threads for that purpose specifically in the forum.
03:23:14Paul_The_NerdMind you, by newest I mean "CVS / Bleeding Edge" and not "Daily"
03:23:16mongeyok ill try now
03:24:06sharpei have the correct background/foreground colors now
03:24:20afruff23what do you mean?
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03:24:42sharpec64 emulator
03:25:07afruff23on rockbox?!?!
03:25:22afruff23is it in the CVS?
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03:25:35sharpetis a plugin i'm working on
03:25:49afruff23when's the feature freeze over?
03:25:51mongeydunno if i should ask
03:25:54sharpethere's also the feature freeze, and it's probably nowhere near complete.
03:26:05sharpeer, my plugin is probably nowhere near complete.
03:26:08mongeywell i just say it where can i get doom wads
03:26:26webguest96theres in link to top 100
03:26:30sharpeand that's all i can say.
03:26:44afruff23shady dealings
03:26:46sharpeyou could just use the shareware wads.
03:26:57afruff23or user-created ones
03:27:11Mikachui'm not sure if tc wads work without the retail wad
03:27:44Mikachutotal conversion
03:28:05afruff23but the user created will right?
03:29:19webguest96can anyone give me a link to a site that will explain to me in the most simple of ways how to install ipl if i already have rockbox going
03:30:11essoecan seomone help me setup the elf-elf-gcc ?
03:30:47essoewebguest: I can send you a decent link, none of the ones I've seen have worked 100% tho
03:31:13webguest96what exactly is wrong with them?
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03:31:42essoejust different things vary, the install is basically the same
03:32:40webguest96well can i have the link, please? i suppose if its not going to screw my ipod up ill do it
03:33:05sharpeokay, i've a screenshot of the emulator so far, with colored text working
03:33:25webguest96lookin nice
03:33:52afruff23what are the possible applicatiosn for this emulator?
03:33:56afruff23just a few
03:34:18sharpeprobably just games when i get the VIC chip implemented
03:34:19essoehow do you launch games on a commodore? .. I never understood those emulators or the atari ones with disc drives
03:34:45sharpeLOAD it off the casette, then RUN it...
03:34:47sharpei think
03:35:01sharpeunless you typed it, then just RUN
03:35:05webguest96essoe: do you have the link?
03:35:18essoeweb- I sent you two, check your pm
03:35:32webguest96thank you... im brand new to this whole thing so yeah...
03:35:34essoewait its my side
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03:35:54webguest96there we go
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03:36:25sharpeyay emulator
03:36:36webguest96i pressed backspace and it went back in my browser
03:36:38essoerockbox is different than IPL I think, but the installs are similar.. you partition the disc drives the same way, then for rockbox you install everything on drive sda2 .. whereas with linux it goes on sda3
03:36:44webguest96i missed that second link
03:36:45essoe^ for webguuest
03:38:09sharpeokay, what to work on next...
03:38:11webguest96and these instructions take into account my ipod is already running rockbox, correct?
03:38:19afruff23is it safe to use the bitrate tag in the WPS WITHOUT a conditional?
03:38:30essoeweb- no, those may not be rockbox, just Ipodforlinux
03:38:55mongeywas doom taken out?
03:38:57sharpeafruff23, i imagine it's okay.
03:40:13afruff23How would I display a tag then a constant text right after without a space between it?
03:40:21afruff23could I do this?:
03:40:41afruff23would this display soemthing like 192kbps?
03:40:52afruff23ok thanks
03:40:57sharpemmhmm :D
03:41:51afruff23do you think file frequency is a staple tag to include in the WPS?
03:42:26sharpeaw, i thought you meant using a staple and binding it to the text...
03:42:30sharpeah, sure
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03:44:11mongeycan some try doom with the latest build
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03:46:11mongeymy bad
03:48:21mongeyi forgot the rockbox.wad
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04:03:51afruff23should Current Time In Song and Total Track Time be used in conditionals?
04:04:09Mikachui don't think they'll ever be empty..
04:04:31afruff23what would happen if you displayed an empty tag in the WPS?
04:04:35afruff23would it crash?
04:04:44midkayno, haha. it just wouldn't show up.
04:04:47webguest96anyone got a link to a very simple installation process for ipl if ive already got rockbox on my 5g
04:05:11Mikachuwilling to put a lot of work into it eh
04:05:38afruff23mikachu, who was that directed to?
04:05:39Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: The one I explained to you earlier is about as simple as it gets if you want to use the Rockbox loader.
04:06:23afruff23what are the future plans for the runtime db?
04:06:26webguest96what was it again paul?
04:06:33afruff23remove, improve, integrate into tagcache?
04:06:37Mikachuafruff23: the wps system should be pretty failsafe
04:06:51Mikachuafruff23: it may totally mess up the parsing, but it shouldn't crash at least
04:07:25midkaythere's no reason *for* it to crash..
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04:07:54Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: Create an ext2 or ext3 partition (in addition to the existing two), extract the ipodlinux root filesystem to it, overwrite with the newest build of podzilla, and then copy a new .bin for the kernel into the fat32 partition named linux.bin
04:07:55afruff23the CustomWPS guide keeps warnign to use conditionals as if soemthing bad would happen
04:08:05midkayafruff23, no, just for good looks..
04:08:24midkayyou don't want "Next Track: %It" and then have it just show "Next Track: " when there is no %It.
04:08:26midkayit looks ugly.
04:08:36afruff23Oh, I know that
04:08:45midkaythat's the reason, that's the why.
04:08:46Mikachuit would show Next Track: -
04:08:54Mikachuor hm, maybe i have - in my wps, nm :)
04:09:21lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: btw, rewindig behind A is a feature, so that you can reset an A you missed ;0
04:10:07Mikachuwhat uses are there for abrepeat?
04:10:15webguest96Paul_The_Nerd: i dont think you understand how newbie i am at this, i have no clue how to even create a new partition, and rather than bother you guys a whole bunch, i just wanted a site with it all
04:10:20midkaymidkay, haha.
04:10:23lostlogic*shrug* I never use it
04:10:24afruff23for artist what should the priority be for displaying?
04:10:26afruff23 currently I'm going by ID3 Artist, ID3 composer, filename without extension
04:10:40midkayMikachu, um.. musicians or whatever trying to get down a certain portion of a song..
04:10:56Mikachuwould you do such things on a dap?
04:11:01Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Seems like a good feature to have. :)
04:11:02midkaysure, why not?
04:11:18Mikachusitting on the subway with your dap and your tuba
04:11:22midkayif you find a portion of an audiobook hilarious, hearing it over and over..
04:11:25sharpemodkay, did you laugh at yourself?
04:11:29sharpeer, midkay.
04:11:41midkaysharpe, haha. it was unintentional!
04:11:43Mikachumidkay: heh, that's a good reason i guess
04:11:46sharpelol, okay.
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04:11:55midkayMikachu, yes, every DAP needs it for that :)
04:12:09sharpewell... now that i have colored text... what to do?
04:12:22*afruff23 would like everything in the WPS to be coordinate absed so I could finish everything superfast
04:12:33Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: There's not a site that explains creating a partition specifically for Rockbox. You're gonna have to learn how to use Linux to create an ext2 partition on your iPod. As I said, that's the simplest way for doing it using the Rockbox bootloader. The other option is starting from scratch and installing Linux first using their Loader2, and then adding rockbox on top of it (which is just then a matter of unzipping it in the ro
04:12:44midkayafruff23, i don't see how coordinates would help you finish it faster?
04:13:05afruff23so I would know fi aprts would voerlap or not
04:13:14afruff23if parts*
04:13:18Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Then go ahead 'n code us up a viewport system. :)
04:13:33midkayhow big is your WPS that you need to use every square .. pixel?!
04:13:42webguest96Paul_The_Nerd: the end of your explanation got cut off to me... stops at (which is just then a matter of unzipping it in the ro
04:13:44afruff23my screen's res?
04:13:48afruff23160 x 128
04:14:00sharpethink i should implement something, that makes use of the scroll wheel, to enter commands?
04:14:38sharpeer, to scroll thru the alphabet...
04:14:40Mikachuyou should implement it so it doesn't depend on a specific dap's features
04:14:43sharpeor possible keys.
04:15:05Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: root of your ipod). But to do that you need to get instructions for installing ipodlinux from them
04:15:08sharpeas far as i can tell, there's nothing i've done that's player specific
04:15:16sharpeother than the memory requirements
04:15:23sharpeand the screen requirement
04:15:39midkay<sharpe> think i should implement something, that makes use of the scroll wheel, to enter commands?
04:15:47midkaydon't make it depend on the scroll wheel, i think he means.
04:15:54sharpebite me.
04:16:08midkay^ teeth.
04:16:32sharpei meant, have it scroll thru the alphabet to enter characters :) using different keys and such for each player...
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04:16:51midkayyou said scroll wheel!!
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04:17:16sharpefreudian slip!
04:18:19webguest96Paul_The_Nerd: so how am I going to learn to use linux to create a new partition?
04:18:41sharpeokay, the plugin needs at least 68kb of free plugin space.
04:18:51sharpewhich, won't work with archoses.
04:19:55Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: The internet is full of information relating to linux. Honestly, if you've never touched linux in your life, you might want to go looking through ipodlinux's resources for a means of installing IPL with Loader2 on your ipod, and tackle it that way.
04:20:05sharpeand it needs a screen at least, 320x200
04:20:20sharpedue to the character size of the c64
04:21:00sharpemidkay, you saw the picture with the colors working, right?
04:21:09webguest96Paul_The_Nerd: so am i going to need to delete all of the rockbox stuff on my ipod to do that, because i have indeed never used linux
04:22:58midkaysharpe, nope?
04:23:12Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: Before starting the linux installation process, whatever it may be, you should either "ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin" or use the apple upgrade tool to restore your ipod. But I can't promise there will be easy steps from IPL, I don't know what resources are available from them
04:23:41sharpe ?
04:23:57midkayhas anyone found the capacity of the iPod 5G and nano batteries?
04:24:31midkaysharpe, cool :)
04:24:46sharpeand the basic commands work still
04:24:49sharpeso that's good
04:25:26webguest96Paul_The_Nerd: I have a 5g and the installation guide there for a 5g links to the forum in which a user has posted his way of installion which is very very lengthy... maybe ill just stick with rockbox....
04:25:32sharpei feel special for making an emulator
04:26:28Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: It may be best. There's just not a simple way to do both yet.
04:29:04sharpei may have to figure out what keypresses should be used to switch between keyboard and joystick mode
04:29:33sharpefor entry of stuff
04:29:38sharpeor playing games
04:42:25webguest96so, uh, how bout that weather?
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04:45:12sharpei can't tell. it's dark.
04:45:45Paul_The_NerdI plot to destroy it.
04:47:19sharpei like the rain
04:47:37Paul_The_NerdNothin' wrong with rain
04:47:47Paul_The_NerdI hate it being 50F one day, and 95F the next
04:49:07sharpetime to test my attempt at text input for the c64.
04:49:24webguest96ill help in that destruction of the weather thing you got goin on there
04:49:44webguest96as long as when its destroyed it just kinda remains like 70 and slightly sunny
04:50:19midkayanyone with an X5 around?
04:50:34sharpedurr i have a 5g!
04:50:51midkayyes, they both have a "5". nice job. :)
04:51:24sharpei are good
04:51:27midkayafruff23? you have an X5, don't you?
04:51:39BHSPitLappyI is, too!
04:51:59sharpebut does your 5g have a c64 emulator on it? :D
04:52:46essoeI just want a port of the oregon trail
04:52:55afruff23I do
04:53:08midkayafruff23, can you tell me what holding REC does in the browser?
04:53:34afruff23answer to midkay not sharpe
04:54:04afruff23not sure
04:54:11midkayseems to do nothing?
04:54:19afruff23I'll try in the uisimulator now
04:54:26midkaywhere's your X5? :)
04:54:42afruff23not with me
04:54:47midkayah. :\
04:55:41afruff23it did nothing in the UI sim
04:55:49midkayi think it's to resume..
04:55:54afruff23unless I press it a few times
04:55:59midkaycan you try playing a file, stopping, and then holding rec?
04:56:26afruff23ggoes back to file browser
04:56:35midkaywhat does?
04:56:48afruff23what you jsut said
04:57:00midkayplay a file, then stop playback, and you should go back to the browser, then from there hold rec.
04:57:50afruff23what's stop?
04:57:53midkayhm. nevermind, thanks.. i figured it out..
04:57:56midkayhm, not sure.
04:58:08midkayhold play..
04:58:29sharpeno wonder the text input didn't really work
04:59:22sharpequick, use select or down to enter the text?
04:59:31midkayuse play.
04:59:49midkayno. scroll_back.
04:59:58sharpealready use it.
05:00:16sharpealready use that
05:00:47sharpeup down left right select start !
05:00:55Paul_The_NerdUUDDLRLRBA Start
05:00:59midkayPaul_The_Nerd, left|right|menu|play|(select|rel)
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05:01:17midkaythat'd be tough :)
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05:01:29Paul_The_NerdIndeed it would
05:01:56midkayhm, that's really _weird_..
05:02:14midkayTREE_POWER_BUTTON is defined for 8 targets but used nowhere.
05:02:16sharpei should really add cpu_boost()...
05:02:44Paul_The_NerdThat's strange.
05:02:58midkayeach occurrence in the entire /rockbox/ dir was a #define..
05:03:10sharpetwould make it emulate faster while drawing the screen...
05:03:30midkayi guess i'll remove them while i'm here, can put them back later if they're for anything..
05:03:40sharpewell, i'm gone.
05:03:46midkaylater sharpe
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05:07:33sharpejust to notify, text input works somewhat :D
05:07:54midkaysharpe, my trust in you is shattered.
05:07:58midkayyou said you were leaving and you werent.
05:08:23sharpeactually, i don't leave for the next six or so hours
05:08:32sharpei sleep eight feet away.
05:08:47sharpeokay, going to sleep now
05:08:50sharpelater everyone
05:08:53midkaywhat the hell.
05:08:56midkayi'm not saying later.
05:09:00midkaybecause you already ruined it.
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05:19:49essoestopwatch is simple, yet genius
05:20:02midkayyes. so clever. a watch that actually times something.
05:20:13midkayhow unbelievably insane is that.
05:20:20essoewell as a plugin for rockbox
05:20:40Paul_The_NerdIf I didn't have an actual watch, I'd love it.
05:20:43midkaywho would have ever considered giving rockbox a stopwatch over the past 5 years?
05:20:48midkaythat's _insane_. yeah.i can't believe it happened.
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05:30:36VoltageXreckon it would be possible to use the second mini usb port to hook up peripherals like say, a wifi adaptor? streaming mp3s in rockbox would rule.
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05:32:57Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Possible, maybe (assuming you're talking about a USB OTG/Host port) but the likelihood of what you've described is pretty slim.
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05:35:51afruff23but it would have to be self-powered right?
05:36:01afruff23the power demand would be great for wireless right?
05:36:20afruff23anyways, it's probably never gonna happen on rockbox
05:36:21Paul_The_NerdWell, I know bluetooth adapters can be powered simply by USB, I imagine 802.11b probably can too
05:36:38Paul_The_NerdSomeone would have to code a custom driver for a specific chipset though, I imagine
05:36:45afruff23that's what I thought btu it'd eb hard to stream music over either of those 2
05:37:03afruff23111 mbps or less is not much
05:37:19afruff23and that's at peak
05:37:25afruff23it's usually around 5 mbps
05:37:26Paul_The_Nerd11mbps is a LOT more than the 320kbps that the highest bitrate MP3s are.
05:37:28afruff23or less
05:37:39Paul_The_NerdOr the 1411kbps raw WAV is.
05:38:08afruff23bluettoth is way less than 11 mbps peak though
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05:38:14afruff23I forget waht it is exactly
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05:39:59afruff23I finished my WPS, except now I ahve to do trial and error with text and picture positioning
05:40:06afruff23I hate this part
05:40:29Paul_The_NerdLooks like BT is 723kbps (actual. The spec is 1Mbit, but some is wasted here 'n there). Enough to stream most compressed audio at least
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05:40:58afruff23but actual speeds are probably much less
05:41:13Paul_The_NerdWell, it depends on range.
05:41:38Paul_The_NerdBut that's still more than twice the bitrate any MP3 should ever be.
05:42:11afruff23what was wrong with 802.11b?
05:42:16afruff23why was BT introduced?
05:42:34afruff23302.11b is faster, cheaper, and more versatile
05:42:48midkay902.10 !!
05:43:05afruff23is that a real standard?
05:43:06Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: BT is a lot easier for laypersons to set up device interoperability with.
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05:43:11midkayno.. it's a.. joke.
05:43:16midkayisn't that a show or something.
05:43:19midkayi guess nobody got it.
05:43:35afruff23the dot threw me off
05:43:45Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: 802.11b is primarily for networking. While BT can be used for networking, it's really more of a device to device protocol, like syncing a cellphone, or using a hands free headset.
05:44:09afruff23802.11b has ad-hoc
05:44:28Paul_The_NerdYes, but 802.11b as a standard has no means by which a device can offer its capabilities.
05:44:35afruff23but yea I get what you're saying
05:44:56afruff23it can but the hardware would be more expensive
05:45:03afruff23looka t those wireless media streamers
05:45:11Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: That's not a feature of the protocol.
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05:46:05Paul_The_NerdBT is useful because it lets a cellphone control a remote control car, or serve as a means of controlling a mouse pointer on my desktop. Not that I'd ever WANT to do that, but it allows such things in an easy for my Dad to use manner
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05:47:26Galoisbluetooth jumped the shark for me when one day I found myself typing on my friend's computer and vice versa
05:48:27Paul_The_NerdI am 100% against wireless keyboards and mice.
05:48:27VoltageXI'd still love to stream to rockbox
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05:48:41Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Don't expect it any time this year at least. :)
05:48:48VoltageXand the RT2XXX chipset is being ported to linux
05:48:54VoltageXah well I've got doom so I"m happy
05:49:18Lambodoom hates me
05:49:25afruff23why paul?
05:49:30afruff23why do you hat wireless mouse?
05:50:07afruff23I try not to use wireless thigns when possible due to batteries beign such a hassle
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05:51:04Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Batteries. It's all about the batteries. I will never put myself in a position whereby through neglect I need to visit a STORE just to resume use of my computer.
05:51:21Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Well, seeing as rockbox isn't linux, that isn't a huge help
05:51:33afruff23yep, same here
05:51:37afruff23I ahte using batteries
05:51:47VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: but I'm assuming the m68k gcc will compile it.
05:52:44afruff23if soembody invents a battery that will never lose it's maximmum charge capacity, then I will give them a $100
05:52:56VoltageXactually I'd rather a fmod port first :D
05:52:58afruff23as in over time, it doesn
05:53:03afruff23t become less efficient
05:53:29VoltageXafruff23: I'm looking at my iriver, which lasts for <8hrs between recharges
05:53:50afruff23isn't that bad?
05:54:01VoltageXthe way that you replace the iriver battery looks scary.
05:54:05Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Just because you can compile something doesn't mean it'll work without drastic modifications
05:54:27VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: it's a start :S
05:54:38Paul_The_NerdYeah, it is
05:54:56VoltageXfmod first, wifi second
05:55:04VoltageXI had my first rockbox freeze today...
05:56:11Lambodoom doesn't like my ipod :/
05:56:12afruff23has anybody noticed that whenever some cool new mp3 player ccomes out it is usually flash-based
05:56:19afruff23like that wireless one
05:56:37afruff23I don't like flash due to it's abysmal cpacity
05:57:03VoltageXerr how come the iriver h340 is twice as thick as the h320?
05:57:15afruff23bigger hard drive
05:57:20Galoisflash is barely adequate, if you use some higher quality format to make up for the lower capacity
05:57:23Paul_The_NerdIt's not twice as thick
05:57:37VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: exaggeration
05:58:23Paul_The_NerdAlso, I believe they're releaseing 2.5" 32gig flash based HDs soon, which at least means the archoses might be able to move to flash
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05:59:03VoltageXiriver needs to release the iriver h380. I filled 37gb so quickly
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06:01:19Galoisafruff23: NiCd batteries last basically forever if you cycle them regularly (
06:01:34Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Buy an 80-gig and swap it in?
06:01:43Galoisbut, NiCd batteries don't match Li-ion in energy density
06:02:06Galoisalso, unfortunately, it is not in the manufacturer's best interest to ship a battery that lasts forever
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06:03:51VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: o.O that's possible? I might do it when I'm replacing the battery - I've gotta pop the hdd out anyway. How likely am I to brick the player doing this?
06:04:19Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: The HD swap to my understanding is basically about as simple as a battery swap.
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06:06:05VoltageXoooh! very tempting.
06:06:25VoltageXerr, my noobness is showing, what kind of hard drive is it?
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06:10:57Paul_The_Nerd1.8" Dual Platter. MK8007GAH I think.
06:11:36VoltageXgah, possibly tricky to get here
06:12:16VoltageXso will it take non-toshiba drives?
06:13:01VoltageXhmm I've found somewhere that sells 15gb 1.8" drives.
06:13:26VoltageXand the same 40gb drive that's stock
06:13:47Paul_The_NerdThe MK8007GAH is toshiba I think
06:13:49VoltageXcrap, that's almost as much as a new player
06:15:21VoltageX Toshiba 60GB 1.8" HDD (HDD 225)
06:15:22VoltageXNot Rated
06:15:22VoltageX Rate Merchant
06:15:22DBUGEnqueued KICK VoltageX
06:15:24Paul_The_NerdYeah, they aren't cheap
06:15:25VoltageXoops sorry.
06:17:29VoltageXhmm not really worth it unless they drop in price a bit
06:17:46VoltageXstill, good to know that in 3 years I could extend the life of my player.
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06:18:56livesNboxanyone awake ?
06:19:02VoltageXme, barely.
06:19:25Paul_The_NerdAye, I do not yet sleep.
06:19:35livesNboxheh.. I have an iPod and I've just started running rockbox on it −− I've been running it on my iRiver h320 for a while now and it looks like the port to iPod is pretty stable now..
06:20:00livesNboxOne giant problem though - I have to have 2 copies of everything on my player!
06:20:22Paul_The_NerdNo, you don't
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06:20:24livesNboxactually I just realized something
06:20:25Paul_The_NerdThere are a few solutions
06:20:30Paul_The_Nerd1) Don't use Apple FW
06:20:32Paul_The_Nerd2) Use TagCache
06:20:35livesNboxmy doc connector in my car worked just fine with rockbox
06:20:49livesNboxI was using tagcache but then you can't use album art..
06:21:25Paul_The_NerdIsn't the recent album art patch compatible with it?
06:21:38CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:21:38*Paul_The_Nerd still doesn't get the desire of people to waste space on album art.
06:21:51livesNboxi believe you have to put a cover.bmp in the folder with the songs for the album it relates to
06:22:18livesNboxPaul_The_Nerd: it looks nice... there is something to be said for style, ya know
06:22:36livesNboxmaybe I'll just blow away all of my songs from my apple side of the house.
06:24:02Paul_The_NerdYes, but there's something to be said against style over substance, and album art both takes up space on the HD that could potentially fit a little more music, and takes up valuable audio buffer. So, for me at least, it's a fairly useless thing. :)
06:24:06livesNboxthe only real reason I was keeping them was for my peripherals (docks and stuff in the house / office / car)
06:24:50livesNboxif I didn't still have 18GB free I might worry about that :)
06:24:55livesNboxbut the ladies love it.
06:24:56Galoiscan't you use foopod to deobfuscate the itunes filenames so that rockbox can read them?
06:25:11livesNboxyeah I think so.. but they are still scattered all over the hard drive I believe.
06:25:20livesNboxtagcache is probably easier.
06:26:02Galoismy ipod only has ogg files, so the apple firmware is kind of irrelevant to me
06:26:19livesNboxogg only eh ?
06:26:20Lamboyay for errors!
06:26:22livesNboxrip your own ?
06:26:34Galoisyeah I don't trade, that's, like, illegal and shit
06:26:58livesNboxi buy em...
06:27:06livesNbox$.02 per meg.. pretty decent.
06:27:25Galoisalso it's a nano so I do not have 18GB free space like you
06:28:09livesNboxohh I just remembered the real reason I came here −− I'm not setup to build my own rockbox firmware.. is there anyone who can compile a version of the latest firmware with the album art patch for me ?
06:28:27livesNboxor might just have one laying around.. for ipod 5g (video)
06:28:47GaloisI technically could, except 1) I've never built an ipod video firmware before, 2) the consensus on the channel seems to be to encourage such petitioners to learn to compile
06:28:49SlasherilivesNbox: hmm, it would be better to even download them illegally than buy from If the really are so cheap, that is a russian site anyway which just delivers illegally copied files..
06:28:50Paul_The_NerdWhy not set up the ability to compile for yourself?
06:29:13livesNboxPaul_The_Nerd: didn't want to be up all night
06:29:15Paul_The_NerdlivesNbox: You learn to compile once, and you never have to ask that question again. Especially since there are possibly still playback bugs hiding in CVS.
06:29:19midkaylivesNbox, wow, interesting site, that's like a buck an album..
06:29:26Paul_The_NerdSo you'll probably need a new version in say, two days anyway
06:29:27livesNboxmidkay: yeah super cheap.
06:29:49livesNboxis there a site that might walk me through getting setup ?
06:29:52midkaylivesNbox, very cool.. *bookmarks* :)
06:30:30livesNboxmidkay: yeah the best part −− you don't have to worry about getting wierd sounds in the middle of your songs.. heh
06:30:42VoltageXmidkay: at first it doesn't look like you can use paypal, but they support icards from which in turn uses paypal
06:30:49GaloislivesNbox I heard that the vmware platform is easiest to set up
06:30:58midkayhaha. VoltageX, nice..
06:31:08livesNboxis there anyone who could build one for me tonight and then I'll get setup tomorrow?
06:31:11midkaylivesNbox, looking to compile? i'm using the vmware image at the moment, it's extremely easy..
06:31:13VoltageXgah, xrost is still down
06:31:23livesNboxmidkay: does rockbox maintain a vmware image ?
06:31:27midkaylivesNbox, it's already compiled and everything, just download it and use it..
06:31:27livesNboxthat would be really cool
06:31:30Galois !!
06:31:39midkaynot maintain, but has one that's up-to-date and fully working.
06:31:59livesNboxthat's sweet.
06:32:08livesNboxdon't have time to do it tonight.. but I'll do it tomorrow
06:32:26livesNboxok guys.. thanks... I'll just get back on this tomorrow
06:35:16midkaylater livesNbox
06:39:56VoltageXhmm I think 100mb of doom wads may be excessive.
06:40:37Paul_The_NerdLesse... Doom(ultimat):12mb, Doom2: 14, TNT: 14, Plutonia: 14, and then 46mb of add-ons?
06:41:34VoltageXand it's not recognising any others other than doom 1 and 2
06:41:34Shadowarrior13Hey, has the USB detection in the ipod changed recently?
06:41:34Paul_The_NerdShadowarrior13: In what way?
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06:41:50Shadowarrior13I upgraded after a while, and it does the old stupid "Seeing-usb-when-it-isn't-there" thing, and reboots to disk mode.
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06:42:14Paul_The_NerdNobody else has complained about anything USB related at all.
06:42:24Shadowarrior13Yeah, my ipod is a fuckhead.
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06:42:31Paul_The_NerdIt's probably a hardware flaw then
06:42:45Shadowarrior13If there was an evil ipod, it'd be mine.
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06:44:34midkayhm, that libmad patch is interesting.
06:44:48essoeis there a quick way to boot into the apple interface with rockbox?
06:44:49midkaymy iPod is now managing mp3 just about 100% realtime with EQ on..
06:45:10Shadowarrior13Get ipodloader2. It's a whole lot easier than the rockbox bootloader.
06:45:17Shadowarrior13And while you're at it, install ipl.
06:45:34midkayessoe, yes..
06:45:47midkayhold MENU before the apple logo shows up (just after turning it on)
06:46:01Shadowarrior13He said quick :P
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06:46:21midkaythat's quicker than a menu.. it's just pressing a button.
06:46:30Shadowarrior13That menu button works 1 out of 10 times
06:46:32midkayand it doesn't require switching loaders..
06:46:39essoemidkay- thanks!
06:46:41midkaymore often if you're not pathetic :)
06:46:41Paul_The_NerdShadowarrior13: Funny, it works 10 out of 10 for me...
06:46:50midkayessoe, np
06:46:51Shadowarrior13Well, my ipod is evil.
06:47:05Shadowarrior13I'm going to blame everything on it.
06:47:17Shadowarrior13"My cat got run over! Damn iPod."
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06:47:30*lostlogic starts a complete track skipping rework, and then heads to bed
06:47:34Paul_The_NerdThat's good. In most situations locally, I'm the blame magnet.
06:47:44Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: You just love to torture yourself, doncha?
06:47:55midkaylostlogic, what do you think about the libmad patch? seems like an improvement to me..
06:48:15lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: it's necessary −− look at my wiki page, all of the bugs in the current playback are now track skipping related
06:48:28lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: I dodged this one for as long as I could, working on the buffering logic
06:48:39lostlogicmidkay: yes, it looks nice, waiting for preglow to commit it
06:48:58midkaycool. i can't wait for his next patch (or at least he implied one)
06:49:02midkaynight :)
06:49:05Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I'd actually noticed that most/all were skipping related. Still, I have to say you're doing some pretty amazing work. Thanks for the huge effort.
06:49:24midkay^ seconded :)
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07:01:26sayoceanhi guys
07:01:29sayoceanquick question
07:01:32sayocean5G Ipod
07:01:35sayocean60 gigs
07:01:49sayoceanfilled up about 88 percent with mp3s..
07:02:11sayoceani loaded rockbox , but the songs were skipping at times and crossfade wasn't working at all (besides when I stopped the music, it would fade out)
07:02:18sayoceanany idea why im having these problems?
07:02:27Paul_The_NerdDoes your WPS have a peakmeter?
07:02:35midkayskipping would probably be the result of crossfeed and/or EQ enabled.. or peak meter..
07:02:45sayoceanand when it "pauseS" or skips, the peak meter dips to 0
07:02:46Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I would recommend trying one without a peakmeter.
07:02:52midkaycrossfade, make sure it's enabled "Yes" or "Track Skip Only" if you wish, and set the durations..
07:03:04sayoceanis it a common issue at the moment?
07:03:10sayoceanfor songs to "pause"
07:03:15sayoceani guess "skipipng" is the wrong term
07:03:18sayoceanthey take a 1 second pause
07:03:24sayoceanfrom time to time
07:03:39Paul_The_NerdYes, it's a common issue
07:03:42sayoceanother than that, the rockbox kicks the apple firmware SOOOO hard
07:03:56essoecould someone help me with getting elf-gcc up and running?
07:04:00sayoceanso even if i formated the ipod and loaded rockbox, it wouldnt fix it?
07:04:20midkayfix what?
07:04:27sayoceanfix the pauses
07:04:32Galoisjust turn off the peak meter and eq
07:04:34sayoceani thought
07:04:45sayoceanthat the pausing during songs was because my ipod was almost full
07:04:55midkayno, not at all.
07:04:57Galoisit's unrelated
07:04:57sayocean57 some gigs and i had 1.4 gigs left
07:05:06midkaydisable EQ, disable crossfeed, remove the peak meter.
07:05:11midkayshould run just fine after that..
07:05:18Galoismp3 playback is slow right now, you have to turn off all the extra stuff
07:06:24sayocean<−−- noob
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07:06:41sayoceancan someone explain to me how i turn the peak meter off? is it an option within the menu?
07:06:42essoegot one other dumb question−− when a track is playing, how do you get to the browse music/files screen?
07:07:11Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Just pick a different WPS, one that doesn't show a peakmeter
07:07:21Paul_The_Nerdessoe: What type of player?
07:07:30Galoisessoe: hit select (the middle button)
07:07:34essoepaul- ipod photo
07:07:51essoegalois: thanks
07:08:15sayoceananyone else have an ipod with rockbox ?
07:08:25Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Many of us do.
07:08:25Galoismost people here do
07:08:32Angeli do
07:08:37Paul_The_NerdGalois: I wouldn't necessarily say "Most"
07:08:49sayoceanok cool
07:09:00sayoceanok here goes my second attempt :)
07:09:02Angelany of you have a 5g ipd with rockbox on it?
07:09:21sayoceanim about to reload rockbox on mine
07:09:28sayoceani had it 3 days ago
07:09:33sayoceanbut uninstalled because of pauses
07:09:48sayoceananyone here have foobar2000 v. 8?
07:09:54Angelmk, have u heard of doom working on 5g yet?
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07:10:15Paul_The_NerdDoom should work on 5G, I believe.
07:10:31AngelYes i belive so to, how to get it working it my problem.
07:10:58Paul_The_NerdHave you read the PluginDoom page?
07:11:09Paul_The_NerdIt's in the rockbox wiki
07:11:15Paul_The_Nerdjust type PluginDoom in the Go To Page box
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07:12:19Angel_of_DeathAlright, checking it out now thanks.
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07:13:41Angel_of_DeathRoC_MM, dank
07:15:36RoC_MMTell me if you get it working Angel_of_Death
07:15:43Angel_of_Deathsayocean, yes i have foobar
07:17:26Angel_of_Deathsayocean, Did you have questions about foobar sayocean?
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07:19:31sayoceancould you please send me foobar v 8 ?
07:19:50Angel_of_DeathWhy dont you just download it?
07:20:05sayoceanah FUCK
07:20:07Angel_of_Deathoh now that i look, i have foobar 2000
07:20:10sayoceanRockbox error -1
07:20:12sayoceanwhat does that meaN?
07:20:17Angel_of_Deathno idea
07:20:22sayoceanright underneath it reads "loading original firmware"
07:20:44Angel_of_Deathmhmm, when u were booting into rockbox on the iPod did you hold down menu?
07:20:58essoesayocean- I had that error yesterday.. turns out I put the .rockbox dir on the wrong partition
07:21:00sayoceannope..i just finished reinstalled rockbox
07:21:09sayoceanor rather, installing the bootloader
07:21:46sayoceani didnt install the actual rockbox yet
07:21:52Galoisif you install the bootloader without installing rockbox then you're supposed to get an error, and then it's supposed to boot the original firmware
07:22:33sayoceanfoobar2000 v 8 isnt available anymroe :(
07:22:42sayoceanits v9 now, and that version doesnt work with foo_pod
07:22:48Angel_of_Deathwell mine does
07:22:54sayoceanwas wondering if anyone had v 8 that they wouldnt mind dccing to me
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07:23:36Angel_of_Deathwell i tried it with foo_pod and i rebuilt the DB just like it said, but when i tried playing a song with Apple firmware it just skipped thru the songs.
07:25:08RoC_MMIt would show track names for a split second, but just go to the next one and not play any of them Angel_of_Death ?
07:25:48RoC_MMI had that happen with a friend of mine....I think the iPod DB is dumb and can't process file's longer than 8 characters.
07:25:57RoC_MMSo your mp3s wouldn't play I think.
07:26:06RoC_MMunless they were axgq.mp3
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07:26:20Angel_of_Deathwell doesn't matter much to me, i wouldn't use apple firmware again anyways
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07:28:49sayoceannow when it loads
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07:29:07sayoceanand the Rockbox logo comes up, underneath it, it reads "failure to load playlist blah blah"
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07:30:24Angel_of_Deathhas any1 got DOOM to work?
07:30:33Angel_of_Deathi just tried and when i open it nothing happens.... lol
07:30:53Paul_The_NerdAre you running the Doom plugin, or are you just clicking on the .wad file and expecting something to happen?
07:31:25Angel_of_Deathhold on
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07:33:47Angel_of_Deaththey are both .wad files
07:34:54Angel_of_Deathso i suppose im clicking on the .wad file and expecting something to happen
07:35:02sayoceanno way to make the font size bigger huh
07:35:14Angel_of_Deathno there is
07:35:18sayoceanso no one has foobar v8 they can send?
07:35:57Angel_of_Deathsayocean, i have a foobar that works with foo pod, but i dont have the installer, i cant just send the folder with everything already installed, wont work
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07:36:32GaloisI searched google and found multiple sites that let you download foobar 0.8.3
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07:36:53Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, thats the page im looking at
07:37:21sayoceanim 10 secs removed from uninstalling rockbox again
07:37:25Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: You simply run doom from the browse plugins menu...
07:37:54Angel_of_Deathdo you need a recent CVS build?
07:38:44sayoceanthe pausing is driving me mad
07:38:50sayoceanreminds me of a shitty philips mp3 player i used to have
07:38:56Galoissayocean: did you change the theme?
07:39:12FlyingSaucrDudeThis may be a stupid question, but...does anybody in here know how to make Rockbox (for the iriver) not immediately jump to the next track whenever I insert or queue something into the current playlist?
07:39:17sayoceanim using danicing duo
07:39:23sayoceangalois, what would u recommend?
07:39:38sayoceanif i can get the rockbox to play mp3s without pausing, i would be the happiest guy
07:39:40Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: fairly recent, I suppose.
07:39:41sayoceansuch promise
07:39:50sayoceanbut too buggy for my taste
07:39:50Galoissayocean hold on I'm building right now
07:39:53Angel_of_Deathmines from march 3rd, im downloading a new build now
07:40:05Paul_The_NerdFlyingSaucrDude: Upgrade to the newest bleeding edge. It's a bug
07:40:31sayoceanand the "stock" wps files that came with the zip file are all out of proportion and looks un-aligned with the ipod screen dimensions :(
07:40:32Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Well, try using a non-animated WPS
07:40:45FlyingSaucrDudeI'll give it a shot −− thanks!
07:41:18Angel_of_Deathyes all the stock wps files are out of proportion, they are for the color and 4g
07:41:52Angel_of_Deathi can send u my wps if u want.... its fairly nice and album art will work if the art is 100x100
07:42:37Galoissayocean ipodvol works for me
07:42:40sayoceanyeh i just changed to that
07:42:41essoehow do you bookmark the currently playing track?
07:42:43sayoceanbut now it just froze on me
07:43:01Galoisor boxes
07:43:11sayoceanyou guys with the ipods, does it freeze up a lot?
07:43:13Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Are you using the bleeding edge?
07:43:29Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't normally freeze a lot, but there have been some recent bugs that have just been ironed out in the last day or two.
07:43:31sayoceanim using that one
07:43:41Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Well, that's not a bleeding edge.
07:43:48Paul_The_NerdLet alone THE bleeding edge.
07:44:00FlyingSaucrDudeHow does one get THE bleeding edge?
07:44:00Angel_of_Deathmy iPod doesnt freeze...ever
07:44:11Angel_of_Deathused to with apple firmware tho....
07:44:14Paul_The_NerdClick the "CVS Build" link on the page.
07:44:21sayoceanappple firmware never froze on me
07:44:37Paul_The_NerdApple firmware skipped on VBR MP3s for me, where Rockbox doesn't
07:44:46GaloisI can get as far as the doom intro screen but after that it "Data abort"s
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07:45:00Angel_of_Deathapple firmware changed the volume constantly with VBR files
07:45:02Paul_The_NerdGalois: how new of a version of Rockbox are you running?
07:45:02sayoceanim there
07:45:04FlyingSaucrDudeGotcha...didn't realize it had to be still-gushing-blood-bleeding −− thanks again!
07:45:07sayoceannow what?
07:45:18GaloisI built rockbox 5 minutes ago
07:45:32Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: See the section labelled "Bleeding Edge Builds?" Look for your player there...
07:45:47sayoceangot it
07:45:52Paul_The_NerdGalois: Odd. Are you playing just a retail, or with an add-on?
07:46:03GaloisI just reset and ran it again, and now doom works
07:46:10Galoisshareware version
07:46:21Angel_of_Deathi'm in doom and i just hit PLAY GAME and its playing for me lol? what?
07:46:24sayoceanso frustrating
07:46:25Angel_of_Deathi cant actually play
07:46:30Angel_of_Deathcomputer is playing
07:46:53Paul_The_NerdYeah, if you take too long to start it goes into a demo
07:47:03sayoceando i just replace the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod file
07:47:09sayoceanin the ipod root directory?
07:47:18sayoceaneasy as 1 - 2- 3 correct?
07:47:37Paul_The_NerdEasy as 1 2 3
07:47:42Galoisbut I think ipod doom is silly, so I don't really care if it works or not
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07:47:59Paul_The_NerdGalois: iRiver H120 doom is sillier.
07:48:39sayoceani really hope the bleeding edge works ok for me :(
07:48:55Angel_of_Deathpfft!! i do!
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07:49:29Angel_of_Deathwhy isn't there sound?
07:49:40Paul_The_NerdThere should be some sound effects.
07:49:52Angel_of_Deathit seems pretty silent
07:49:57*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
07:50:03Angel_of_Deathis sound something i gotta turn on?
07:50:11FlyingSaucrDudePaul: The bleeding edge didn't seem to do it (it still immediately skips to the next track in the playlist whenever I insert or queue a track)...since you seem to be pretty knowledgeable, do you know if this is a known bug?
07:50:33Paul_The_NerdFlyingSaucrDude: Definitely a known bug. Let me verify whether it's still happening
07:50:38Angel_of_Deathhow do i exit doom? without rebooting the iPod?
07:50:56FlyingSaucrDudePaul: k, I'll be here. Thanks again for your help!
07:51:12FlyingSaucrDudePaul: (And let me know if you need anymore info on my system, etc.)
07:53:05Paul_The_NerdFlyingSaucrDude: Are you 100% sure you got a bleeding edge, and not a daily (it should be named just, no date)
07:53:29Paul_The_NerdAnd that you copied both the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder to your player.
07:53:39Paul_The_NerdI just double checked, and the bug is cleared up in the newest builds
07:53:46sayoceanits actually worse now
07:53:49sayoceanwith the bleeding edge
07:53:58sayoceanits pausing every 3-5 seconds it seems
07:54:07Paul_The_NerdWhat bitrate are your MP3s?
07:54:40sayoceanim using iAMP as wps
07:54:44Paul_The_NerdYes, but what does rockbox say they're approximating to?
07:54:46Angel_of_Deathi use OGG
07:55:05FlyingSaucrDudePaul_The_Nerd: OK, I'm a're right. I didn't realize that I had to power cycle the unit −− I figured that it would reload everything after I unplugged the USB connection.
07:55:06Paul_The_NerdVBR can mean anything from "16-32kbps" to "256-320kbps"
07:55:14sayocean226 kbps vbr
07:55:20Paul_The_NerdFlyingSaucrDude: No worries. :)
07:55:22Galoisdid you turn off the eq and crossfade?
07:55:24sayoceanpaul, by they way, i appreciate your help
07:55:58sayoceanyou too galois and anyone else i misse d:)
07:55:59Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: 226kbps is possibly pushing the limit on the iPod Video at the moment until further optimizations are done. I know the Video has to struggle a little harder than the other iPods.
07:56:06sayoceanactually galois, i just turned crossfade off
07:56:47sayoceanpaul do you have ur video with you right now?
07:56:52sayoceancan you do me a favor and try something?
07:56:59sayoceanwith music playing, go to "info"
07:57:08sayoceanand see if it "pauses" for you as well as the credits roll
07:57:29Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I don't have a video, but pausing then is not unexpected at all. I have a Nano.
07:57:30Galoispreglow was going to commit some libmad improvements today, they may help with mp3
07:57:49Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: At any point where you stress the processor more, pausing becomes more likely
07:57:56sayoceani see isee
07:58:15sayoceandoes ur nano freeze often and do you have to hard reset it each time?
07:58:31essoehey how do you make bookmarks?
07:58:38Paul_The_NerdIf you're having to hard reset, you're not using the newest bleeding edge.
07:58:53Galoisessoe: press and hold select, scroll down to bookmarks, create bookmark
07:59:04sayoceanfroze again
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07:59:13sayoceanthis is what im using
07:59:35Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Try deleting rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder before copying the new ones over.
08:00:02sayoceangood idea
08:00:04sayoceani'll try that now
08:00:36Paul_The_NerdAnd make sure that you're extracting the and using the ones from that, rather than accidentally using the ones from the old .zip somehow. I've seen that happen a few times.
08:00:44sayoceanpaul, do you think video playback will be implemented some time in the future?
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08:00:54Paul_The_NerdSome time, yes. Soon, no.
08:01:23sayoceanhopefully we'll be able to playback .avi and other formats etc
08:01:29Galoisfor me the whole point of rockbox is to break free of the limitations of mp3, so I find the mp3 complaints somewhat ironic
08:01:31Paul_The_NerdRockbox's focus is improved audio playback features, so unless someone from outside comes an implements it, it's probably going to be quite a while before a core dev focuses on it, if ever. As well, for good video playback on the 5G, there's still hardware that needs to be reverse engineered.
08:02:03sayoceani have a feeling my ipod is just retarded
08:02:06Angel_of_Deathhas any1 actually played doom on there ipod?
08:02:08sayoceanand rockbox will never work good on it
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08:02:15GaloisAngel_of_Death I just did a few minutes ago
08:02:20sayoceanyou've seen that video right?
08:02:24sayoceanof some guy playing doom ?
08:02:27Angel_of_Deathhow do u save?
08:02:37Angel_of_Deathor exit the game without rebooting?
08:02:40Galoisuh, hit ESC (hold switch) ?
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08:04:12Angel_of_Deathcan u save?
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08:04:20GaloisI didn't try
08:04:22Bg3rmorning :)
08:04:34Angel_of_Deathdid u scroll in the main menu when u hit hold switch?
08:04:49sayoceangalois, can u send me a .wps that works well with the video ?
08:04:56Galoisyou have to unset the hold switch, and then you can navigate the menu with the MENU button
08:04:58Angel_of_Deathi can
08:05:02Paul_The_NerdMornin' Bg3r
08:05:05Angel_of_Deathsayocean, i can
08:05:16Angel_of_Deathoh thanks gal
08:06:29Angel_of_Deathsayocean, you want me to send u a good wps?
08:06:30sayoceanerror accessing playlist file control...
08:06:36sayoceanthast what it says ..
08:06:45Angel_of_Deathalright lemme find it
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08:06:57dpassen1sayocean: are you a saosin fan?
08:07:23sayoceanyes sir
08:07:34sayoceani have a feeling the bleeding edge didnt help me out at all :\
08:09:19amiconngood morning
08:10:23amiconnlostlogic: As you asked last night - no, I don't think pause should be handled off-queue. Afaiu it would introduce more possible race conditions
08:10:26sayoceanso who all in here just ignores the bugs (pausing tracks, freezing up) and enjoys the rockbox
08:10:40Angel_of_Deathi dont have any
08:10:51Angel_of_Deathsi i enjoy
08:11:07Angel_of_Deathso i enjoy it*
08:11:20sayoceanim just gonna reload apple firmware
08:11:21Galoisthe only time it's frozen on me in the last few days was while playing doom
08:11:30sayoceanthis is way too much hassle
08:11:34amiconnFurthermore, I think that low-level pcm should never be paused for extended amounts of time
08:11:36Angel_of_Deaththats what i thought at first
08:11:41Angel_of_Deathnow im glad i didn't go back
08:11:50sayoceanhopefully there will be a stable release sometime soon
08:11:55Galoisoh and there were a few freezes during lostlogic's rework of the playback code
08:11:56Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Most of us don't get those bugs.
08:12:04sayoceanits a hassle in the fact (for me) that it freezes and it pauses during songs
08:12:13Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: The fact that yours is freezing on a build that doesn't freeze anyone else's ipod suggests there's something else at play here.
08:12:46Paul_The_NerdSomething specific to either your files or your ipod
08:12:47sayoceani read from a forum that it might be due to the fact that my ipod is almost "maxed out"
08:13:02Paul_The_NerdIt has nothing to do with the space free you have
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08:13:56sayoceanmaybe ill just buy an external HD, backup my songs there and format my ipod
08:13:58sayoceanand try it again
08:14:07sayoceancause i do LOVE the possibitlies
08:14:12sayoceanthat rockbox brings to the table
08:14:32Paul_The_NerdReformatting shouldn't do anything.
08:14:57Paul_The_NerdI mean, it could, but it shouldn't
08:15:02sayoceanso pretty much uninstall and enjoy apple firmware :\
08:15:07sayoceanor get the nano
08:15:25Angel_of_Deathlol say, ur doing SOMETHING wrong
08:15:42Angel_of_Deathjust go over it again
08:15:46Angel_of_Deathand redo all the steps
08:15:49Angel_of_Deathfollow it to the letter
08:15:56sayoceaninstalling the bootloader etc?
08:16:19Angel_of_Deathuse an older build to
08:16:42Angel_of_Deaththe build i had earlier today was from march 19th and i know it works
08:16:47sayoceani so want it to work on mine too
08:16:53sayoceanu have video ipod?
08:17:02Angel_of_Deathjust got doom working on it =)
08:17:39Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: the bleeding edge build DOES work on iPods. There's something funny going on in his case, but I don't have a clue what.
08:17:42sayoceanso if i want to revert to the march 19th build, i would just delete the rockbox folder and rockbox file and replace with the 3-19 ones correct?
08:17:57Angel_of_Deathsounds right
08:18:08sayoceaniamp wps is so pimp lol
08:18:39Angel_of_Deathif u get it working i will send you the WPS i use... its the best one ive seen that fits the screen properly so far
08:19:31GaloisI still get some playscreen bugs with the current CVS
08:19:32Angel_of_Deathany1 know of any other sweet pointless games for the 5g?
08:19:44Paul_The_NerdGalois: What specifically?
08:19:49Galoissometimes it will change tracks but the play screen still displays the previous track's title, artist etc.
08:20:01sayoceani just noticed that
08:20:03Galoisthis didn't happen before
08:20:23sayoceanor its not even the right track title etc
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08:21:12Paul_The_NerdThat's possible
08:21:38sayoceanthis is the last try
08:21:43sayoceancrossing fingers
08:21:52Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Unfortunately, you caught Rockbox at a rather bad time to be a new user. Some very major things are being reworked which as you've noticed has caused some problems, though it's odd that you're getting extra ones that nobody else has.
08:22:25Angel_of_Deathjust try the build from 3.19.06
08:22:39sayoceanwhat are extra ones?
08:22:46sayoceanthe bugs i notice thus far for me include:
08:22:49Angel_of_Deathoh by the way... make sure ur gettin rockbox for the right kinda iPod :P
08:22:59sayoceanpauses during songs (sometimes, not too frequent. but it happens)
08:23:02Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: The fact that you get freezes that require a hard reset.
08:23:03sayoceanlol angel
08:23:25sayoceansince wed when i first tried rockbox, i think ihad to hard reset (menu + center button)
08:23:29sayocean4-5 times
08:23:38Angel_of_Deathwell if ur downloading it for a color its not gonna work!
08:23:38sayocean2 times tonite (span of 1 hour)
08:23:49Paul_The_NerdI thought you said you were getting freezes regularly.
08:23:49sayoceanhah angel, im getting video, im sure of it
08:24:04sayoceanwell 2 times in 1 hour, thtas still not regular.. or is ti?
08:24:07Angel_of_Deathive menu+ center button 3 times tonight just to get outa doom :P lol
08:24:27sayoceananother bug = when i press "NEXT" song, it will play the next song for 1 sec, pause, then play that song from beginning again
08:25:06sayoceananother bug = crossfade not working
08:25:09sayoceanbut thats aboutit
08:25:12sayoceanangel got it :)
08:25:19sayoceanthanks though
08:25:23Galoissayocean the 20060406 build doesn't have the "NEXT" song bug
08:25:25Angel_of_Deathmaybe u dont know how to turn on crossfade =)?
08:25:27Galoiseverything after that does
08:25:31sayoceani do :\
08:25:35Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: The second or so of the next song thing relates to how the buffering is done.
08:25:44sayoceangalois, u know what im talking about though right? the "next song" bug
08:25:50Galoisyes I get that bug too
08:26:13sayoceanso reverting to March 19 build wont help much huh
08:26:24Galois20060406 works really well for me
08:26:26sayoceanbut i'll give it a shot either way
08:26:29Angel_of_Deathwell i certainly would try it before giving up
08:26:41Galoisright now lostlogic is re-engineering the buffering and playback code. He promises that the result will be an improvement :)
08:27:01sayoceanangel, wanna send over the wps ?
08:27:05sayoceaniAmp looks VERY nice
08:27:18Angel_of_Deathit just looks like another computer winamp look alike
08:27:24Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: If all the other bugs weren't there but the NEXT one, would that still send you back to Apple? Because if a minor thing like that is enough to have you leave, you should probably vamoos until it's "released."
08:27:39Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: It *is* still under development for iPod, remember.
08:29:47Angel_of_Death(when u use it use the one without album art because it wont work unless the art is 100x100 it will just waste batery but displaying a green box there)
08:30:36sayoceanpaul thats true
08:30:45sayoceanbut my apple firmware is pretty nice too :)
08:31:07Paul_The_NerdThe apple firmware essentially cripples the player...
08:31:27Paul_The_NerdThere's so much that it cannot do simply because Apple said "Our device shall not do this."
08:31:41Angel_of_Deathyeah, umm.... thats ur ignorance talking :P
08:31:44GaloisI bought the ipod nano specifically to run rockbox
08:32:00Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Was that directed at me?
08:32:02Galoisnever used the apple firmware, except for testing
08:32:08Angel_of_Deathno lol
08:32:12Paul_The_NerdOkay, good.
08:33:36Angel_of_Deathwhy apple made there products firmware i dont know
08:33:37sayoceanok here goes
08:33:47sayoceanlets see if mar 19 is the winner
08:33:58Angel_of_Deathworked for me *wink*
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08:35:26sayoceanso far so good...
08:35:38sayoceanangel, is mar 19 what ur running on right now?
08:35:42sayoceanah fuck it
08:35:44Angel_of_Deathnope lol
08:35:48sayoceangoing back to apple lol
08:35:50Angel_of_Deathjust changed it about 30minutes ago
08:35:58Angel_of_Deathbut i was running it since it came out
08:36:01Angel_of_Deathwith no problems might i add
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08:37:38Angel_of_Deathwell i do admit at first i didnt much like it, and my brother installed it for me so i had no problems on that end.....but after about an hour u will never go back to the original firmware
08:38:02Angel_of_Deathi mean... backgrounds, fonts, themes, crossfades... games... goes on and on
08:38:17Angel_of_Deathu can zoom in while viewing pictures lol
08:38:22JdGordonAngel_of_Death: an hour?? i havnt been back in origional firmware (iriver) since installing 5 months ago :)
08:38:49Angel_of_Deathno i was saying i was using that build untill an hour ago, then i got a more recent build
08:39:00Angel_of_Deathi havent been into apple firm since the night i got rockbox tho
08:39:05*Paul_The_Nerd has had Rockbox on his H120 since some unknown time in the past, and on his Nano since about a month or so before sound was enabled on iPods.
08:39:32sayoceani hate my ipod now lol
08:39:40sayoceanwhy cant it make peace with rockbox!
08:39:48sayoceannow he has to deal with apple firmware
08:39:59Angel_of_Deathwhat time is it there
08:40:05*JdGordon 's dvd player is making scray noises while trying to burn :'(
08:40:10sayoceani should be in bed
08:40:13Angel_of_Deathlol go to bed
08:40:18sayoceanok fuck it
08:40:24sayoceanim just gonna reinstall bleeding edge
08:40:26Angel_of_Deathtry again in the morn when ur not anxious lol
08:40:29sayoceanand reset and load up apple
08:40:33sayoceanand just leave it at that
08:41:16sayoceando you think having sharepod (software) in the root directory of the ipod (same root as rockbox files) making it worse?
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08:41:34Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: There's no reason for it to.
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08:41:57Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Is the problem you're encountering freezing, or just skipping in music?
08:42:14Angel_of_DeathRoC_MM, PREVIOUSLY ON....SURVIVOR!
08:42:50sayoceanpaul, freezing happens sometimes
08:42:59Angel_of_Deathalright sayocean, goodluck i hope u end with something other than that horrid default firmware..... better luck tomorrow eh? well its almost 3am here so g'night!
08:43:00sayoceanwhen i press down on Play/Pause button to shutdown the ipod
08:43:28sayoceanskipping is the wrong term. the song only "skips" when i press "next" track and it will skip for 1 sec and resume playing from the beginning
08:43:45sayoceanwhat annoys me is when a song pauses for a second. which happens every 10 songs or so
08:43:50sayoceanthanks angel
08:44:45Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Well, part of that is the fact that you have needlessly high bitrate MP3s, and rockbox isn't yet optimized with libmad enough to handle them well, especially on the 5G
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08:45:12Angel_of_Deathwhats the quality on them?
08:45:25Paul_The_NerdHe said they were VBR averaging at 225ish?
08:45:47Angel_of_Deathi use 160 when using mp3s, but i try to stick with ogg vorbis
08:45:49sayoceansuch a superior wps compared to apple..
08:46:09JdGordonsayocean: u can get a boring 1 also if u wanted...
08:46:10Angel_of_Deathits lostless like a wave file but 1/3 smaller then a mp3
08:46:28Angel_of_Deathmmm donut
08:46:46sayoceanjdgordon, if its not gonna pause on my songs or freez me ill def take a look :)
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08:48:14Angel_of_Deathsayocean, you have no problem installing rockbox correct?
08:48:29Angel_of_Deathur only problems are the *bugs* and such
08:51:43sayoceanyeh i had no problem
08:51:44sayoceanit works
08:51:47Angel_of_Deathwell, time for me to really go to bed now.... heres what i recomend.. delete all rockbox related files on ur iPod. install the 3.19.06 build.... any other problems, and ur on ur own lol
08:51:47sayoceanbut with bugs
08:52:07Angel_of_Deaththat build has no probs
08:52:08sayoceanim actually installling the bleeding edge right now
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08:52:13Angel_of_Deathbleeding edge?
08:52:16sayoceanit had bugs on my ipod :\
08:52:19sayoceanso i deleted mar 19
08:52:22sayoceanand just put bleed edge right now
08:52:24Angel_of_Deathoh really?
08:52:34Paul_The_NerdSee, there's clearly something funny going on then.
08:52:35sayoceanbut im really anal
08:52:39sayoceanand paranoid
08:52:42sayoceanso every single pause
08:52:44sayoceanevery dirty look
08:52:46sayoceani call it a bug
08:52:48Paul_The_NerdBut your definition of problems is those pauses
08:52:56Paul_The_NerdA bug is a programming error though.
08:53:02sayoceanoh ok.
08:53:05Paul_The_NerdA buffer underrun is not a programming error.
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08:53:12sayoceanbut i mean is it everyone else thats getting the pauses?
08:53:20sayoceanor is my problem something only a few people have?
08:53:27Paul_The_NerdAnd adjusting your anti skip buffer *might* even help
08:53:29Angel_of_Deathits not rockbox's fault at this point then
08:53:38Angel_of_Deaththeres something *wrong* with ur ipod, a virus or something
08:53:43Paul_The_Nerdsaycoean: Everyone has those pauses if the bitrates on their files are too high
08:54:13Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: No, most of his "problems" are simply the fact that the codecs aren't optimized yet.
08:54:16sayoceanpaul what do you suggest i adjust the anti skip buffer to?
08:54:45Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Experiment and see if it helps at all. It probably won't, but it might. It kinda depends on whether your underruns occur during rebuffering or at some other point.
08:55:04Paul_The_NerdIf it happens once every 10-15 minutes, it could very well be happening on rebuffers.
08:55:19Angel_of_Deathsay ocean another thing i might do, tho might be pointless, is to right click to to properties> tools> and error check it > check the top box in there but not the search bad sectors one
08:56:18Angel_of_Deathi know it's helped me in the past, nothing quite like this hto
08:56:26Angel_of_Deathgoodnight! gah i need to go now lol
08:56:41Angel_of_Deathbest of luck to u
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08:57:01sayoceanok im gonna keep the bleeding edge
08:58:52sayoceanhow do i get out of viewing a picutre?
08:59:42sayoceanthank you
09:02:36sayoceanone more question for you all
09:02:46sayoceanfrom WPS, when i press Select button
09:02:54sayoceanit takes me to the file tree.. now how do i get back to WPS
09:03:39Paul_The_NerdBut this may be helpful:
09:03:58sayoceanfor tagcache, should i have keep on disk or RAM?
09:06:50Paul_The_NerdRam is better for your battery life if you browse a lot
09:07:00Paul_The_NerdDisk is ever so slightly better if you never ever ever browse.
09:07:36JdGordonor dont use it.. i.e use the directory borwer instead...
09:08:04sayoceanwhats that gordon?
09:08:12JdGordonwhats what?
09:08:19sayoceandirectory borwer
09:09:10JdGordonin the file browser.. if you see the id3 info your using the tagcache. any other listing and your using the directory borwser
09:10:20*JdGordon doesnt use the tag browser so i keep it on the hdd to save more room for the buffer
09:10:43sayoceanso paul
09:10:50sayoceaneventually, the codec will be optimized
09:10:59sayoceanand "pausing" and "skipping" shouldn't be an issue correct?
09:13:05Paul_The_NerdThe iPod port is still in a fairly early stage
09:13:17sayoceanso i really shouldnt be complainig
09:14:10Galoishave you tried one or two test files at lower bitrate just to see if the problem really is cpu overloading?
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09:14:18Paul_The_NerdWell, actual bug reports are *always* welcome
09:14:40sayoceangalois, the pause problem, it doesnt happen with all VBR songs
09:14:47sayoceanit will happen occasionally
09:14:52Paul_The_NerdBut the buffer issue is more a symptom of the fact that people are still concentrating on getting all the hardware working right.
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09:16:48preglowGalois: i was?
09:17:23GaloisI thought you were
09:17:43preglowwell, this is something of a surprise to me :)
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09:19:40BHSPitLappywow, woooooo! all green build table!
09:19:47sayoceang/nite folks
09:19:49BHSPitLappya rare spectacle :P
09:19:52JdGordonbooo! boring green build table!
09:20:22BHSPitLappywe should try for a smiley face sometimes :P
09:20:43JdGordonin the table? hahaa
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09:22:08preglowGalois: ah, i might, i see there's a patch in the tracker for libmad
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09:28:27midkaypreglow, i saw that and asked lostlogic about it - he said he was waiting for you to commit it..
09:29:08midkayi tried it on my 5G, seemed to speed it up a bit - actually to right around 100% realtime with EQ on.
09:33:09BHSPitLappyso, tag cache isn't supposed to work on iPods at this point?
09:33:11*amiconn just found what causes most of the remote ticking on iriver
09:33:33amiconnIt's not the data transfer itself, but just the chip select
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09:34:08midkayBHSPitLappy, it's been working for weeks..
09:34:18amiconnSo, keeping CS low all the time while the lcd is connected avoids all the noise, but still allows faaaast remote lcd updates
09:34:35midkayamiconn, haha, congrats! :)
09:34:50Bagderamiconn: nice work!
09:34:59preglowmidkay: i'll have a look at it, just need to test it on ipod first
09:35:14amiconnNo noise even at 124MHz, but 360fps on the remote! woohoo!
09:35:22midkayBagder!!! *glares*
09:35:29midkaypreglow, cool.
09:35:45Bg3ramiconn congrats!:)
09:35:50amiconnNow, we just need to find out whether this is true for all ticking remotes, or just for mine
09:36:30amiconnBg3r: Do you have ticking remote(s)?
09:37:11Bg3ramiconn no, unfortunately
09:37:22Bg3rin fact fortunately :)
09:37:42Bg3rXavierGr has 3-4 ...
09:38:28amiconnBg3r: You can perform a test with a slight modification to cvs:
09:39:18Bg3ryes ?
09:39:19amiconnOpen lcd-h100-remote.c,
09:39:52amiconnComment out CS_HI; in the following places:
09:40:54amiconnline 146, 290, 328
09:41:35Bg3rother places ?
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09:42:13amiconnThen find the beginning of remote_lcd_init(void) (line 398), and add the following:
09:42:21amiconn CLK_LO;
09:42:21amiconn CS_LO;
09:42:51Bg3rbefore all other ?
09:43:12amiconnThen boot that and first check whether the lcd updates correctly
09:43:21amiconnThen switch of ticking reduction...
09:43:30Bg3rok, give me 5 minutes
09:43:57amiconnWee, if that holds true for all ticking remotes.....
09:44:35Bg3rbtw, my remote doesn't tick...
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09:45:19peturit will now :P
09:45:38amiconnBg3r: huh?
09:45:49Bg3r0:37AM <amiconn> Bg3r: Do you have ticking remote(s)?
09:45:49Bg3r<Bg3r> amiconn no, unfortunately
09:45:53amiconnAH, hmm, misunderstood
09:46:15amiconnSo I'll have to wait for XavierGr
09:46:44amiconn(or Moos)
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09:48:04Bg3ramiconn i can make these changes as a patch and make a "call" @ MR
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09:49:39Bg3rless remote_ticking1.diff
09:50:25amiconnMaybe that's a good idea.
09:50:39Bg3ror even make a h100 and h300 build :)
09:50:59amiconnBtw, this is an experimental modification. It keeps the remote lcd controller selected the whole time it is plugged in
09:51:49amiconnIt's not harmful, but it draws a tiny bit more power, and the remote lcd might get confused after a while in case there are some glitchs
09:52:29Bg3r <= these are the correct changes, yep ?
09:52:42amiconnIf this really is the cure to ticking, my final version will select & deselect the lcd controller as needed, but way less often than cvs does. It won't be noticeable
09:53:03Bg3rBagder ?
09:53:50Bg3rof, where to put these builds
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09:55:55peturBg3r: C++ style comments?
09:56:01peturtsk tsk tsk :P
09:56:08Bg3rpetur yep :P
09:58:20BagderBg3r: you need some upload space?
09:58:26Bg3ryep ?
09:58:54Bg3ruf :(
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10:11:00Bg3ramiconn so, these builds should cause less ticking ?
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10:38:11Jungti1234what's that?
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10:38:32Bg3rJungti1234 do you have ticking remote ?
10:38:48Jungti1234LCD remote? not LCD?
10:39:26Bg3ruh ...
10:39:47Bg3rdo you have an LCD remote ?
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10:40:52Jungti1234I have a non LCD remote..
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10:42:43Bg3rah, k
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10:49:49Jungti1234ticking is LCD remote?
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11:06:42Jungti1234Why can't see unicode in recording and equalizer?
11:08:16peturthe recording screen uses a fixed font
11:08:43peturwhich probably isn't unicode (?)
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11:12:08Jungti1234what is 'Internal'?
11:12:09amiconnBg3r: The modified build should cause less ticking with 'ticking reduction' disabled than cvs does with 'ticking reduction' enabled
11:12:55amiconnFor me, this modification *completely removes* ticking even with my ultra-optimised remote lcd update, which otherwise ticks like hell on my h300
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11:15:42Bg3ramiconn okay, more quoting :)
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11:16:54peturJungti1234: internal = inside
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11:18:36Jungti1234I can't know to Rockbox to what meaning it was used.
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11:18:57peturJungti1234: ?
11:19:03Bg3rcan someone explain to Jungti1234 what does ticking mean ...
11:19:39*Bagder likes the PluginUsability page
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11:19:57Jungti1234why it was used to Rockbox, and I don't know what the meaning is.
11:20:32markunJungti1234: it can also mean 'built-in'
11:21:55markunJungti1234: in which sentence is 'internal' used?
11:22:15Jungti1234I don't kno.w
11:22:17Jungti1234 desc: in info menu; name for internal disk with multivolume (keep short!)
11:23:48markun"name for the disk inside the player with multiple partitions" ?
11:23:52markunI'm not sure
11:24:29Jungti1234Understand a little, but don't understand perfectly.
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11:27:53Genre9mp3I just saw the post about the ticking remotes
11:27:53*Bagder falls off his chair
11:27:59Genre9mp3(in mistic river)
11:28:23Genre9mp3I just tested the version with a H300 LCD Remote!
11:28:24Bg3rBagder :))))
11:28:28Bg3rGenre9mp3 and ?
11:28:35Genre9mp3NO TICKING!!!!!!!!!!!
11:28:44Bagderyay \o/
11:28:58Genre9mp3With or without the reduce ticking option....
11:29:00*preglow wonders why only the cs signal generates ticking...
11:29:12Bg3rGenre9mp3 h100/h300 ?
11:29:23Genre9mp3h300 with h300 lcd remote
11:29:44Genre9mp3I tested with rockbox default and with iAmp rwps
11:30:00Genre9mp3I tested while scrolling in the file browser or the menus....
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11:30:11Bg3rGenre9mp3 very good :)
11:30:22Genre9mp3I had severe ticking before (especially when scrolling)
11:30:33Genre9mp3Now, I can't hear anything!!!!
11:30:44Jungti1234ticking is...
11:30:45Genre9mp3Great work guys!!!!
11:30:56Genre9mp3I 'm amazed....
11:31:05Bg3rGenre9mp3 all beer goes to amiconn :P
11:31:05Jungti1234Is it heard sound when use remote?
11:31:20*midkay glares piercingly at Bagder
11:31:36Bg3rJungti1234 yep,when the remote screen is updated
11:31:44Bg3rthis is only on some units
11:31:45Genre9mp3Where can I send a dozen of beers to amiconn? :)
11:32:01Jungti1234Bg3r: Is it bug?
11:32:13muesli__i guess i will more pleased about some bytes ;)
11:32:14Bg3rJungti1234 it's also present in the iriver fw
11:32:14Genre9mp3And the LCD screen responses are OK
11:32:33Bg3rJungti1234 so it's more likely a hardware "bug"
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11:33:52Jungti1234Did it fix hardware bug as software in Rockbox?
11:34:29Bg3rJungti1234 it seems that amiconn has found the reason and rockbox will workaround it ...
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11:35:07Genre9mp3Just a notice....with the build with the remote....sometimes, when music is played stop (from the main unit) doesn't work (while it works on the remote)... this is a playback issue though....right?
11:35:27Jungti1234I'm late to understand... :)
11:36:22Bg3rhah ,.. Checksum: 4EE4
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11:37:30amiconnGenre9mp3: Check the 'first keypress enables backlight only' option. It might be enabled
11:37:58BagderI get annoyed with that one enabled
11:38:04amiconnlostlogic: This odd 'tiny pause - play some more - stop' behaviour which occurs on stop on h300 also happens on skip back
11:38:28Bg3rBagder a matter of habbit :)
11:38:30amiconnA further hint might be that I have dircache disabled (as always) know that the (at least for H300 LCD remotes) the buttons are not working as they expected (eg. >>/<< acts like +/- in the file browser)
11:38:46Bg3rGenre9mp3 yep
11:38:49BagderBg3r: of course, but its hard to learn when you find it annoying from the start and just disable it ;-)
11:38:56Bg3rbut this is a different thing
11:39:22Genre9mp3yes I know that this is in other builds, too
11:39:32amiconnGenre9mp3: Btw, thanks for testing. If other responses are also positive, we can get rid of the reduce ticking option and still have no ticking
11:39:49amiconn...and faster remote lcd updates
11:40:04amiconn-> less problems with playback when scrolling lists
11:40:18Genre9mp3BTW...THANKS for finding the solution!!! :)
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11:40:38Genre9mp3I am who is supposed to thanks...not you amiconn!
11:40:57amiconn-> and a remote grayscale lib becomes feasible
11:41:31Slasherihehe, soon the tagcache engine will reach the playback engine size in lines of code..
11:41:55amiconnSlasheri: bah :(
11:42:13Slasherimaybe time for some optimizations soon :)
11:42:48amiconnSlasheri: Btw, could you please test the tick-fixing modification? Iirc you do have a ticking remote...
11:43:28Slasheriamiconn: hmm, where is the modification?
11:43:55Slasherior do you mean the one already present in the code?
11:44:12Slasheriah, i will check that later when i get home :)
11:44:30Slasheri(no remote here)
11:44:32amiconn(mr thread courtesy of Bg3r)
11:45:47Slasherii am just significantly speeding up the playlist creation with tagcache
11:45:47Genre9mp3BTW I'm replying to the thread right now (Yngwiejo)....just don't count me as a second person.. :)
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11:51:01PaulJdoes anyone else have the problem, that sometimes the currently playing song is shown in the wps as next song, and the wps shows the the previous song as the now playing? (i have some patches applied to the source, i'm not sure if this also happens with a cvs build)
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11:53:26midkayPaulJ, i've seen it reported in here like twice today, yeah..
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12:28:34iksarkhey all
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12:28:43JdGordonhey ho! lets go
12:28:57iksarki was just wonidering if anyone could tell me why the ipod 3g project has been removed from the rockbox website?
12:29:45midkayin what way has it?
12:30:00iksarkwell its not listed any more
12:30:01Bg3rXavierGr ??
12:30:04Bg3rhere ?
12:30:09midkaylisted.. where?
12:30:29iksarkit cannot be downloaeded anymore
12:30:39midkayno point in downloading something that doesn't work..
12:30:44midkaynor making it or providing links to it..
12:30:50iksarkyer but the project has gone
12:30:52Bg3rXavierGr private
12:30:52Apostle^rockbox for ipod nano works great
12:30:55midkayit's still in development, it's not official or supported or working.
12:31:01iksarkwell i dont hav a nano
12:31:06Apostle^just saying :-P
12:31:13iksarki know but they had it on their website for a while
12:31:16midkayiksark, no it hasn't. just because you can't see the daily builds of it doesn't mean all the work has been deleted and stuff.
12:31:18iksarkand now its gone :(
12:31:32midkayit never worked, it doesn't work, we're not building it daily because there's no point until it actually runs.
12:31:43iksarkit does run
12:31:47iksarkit just doesnt fully work
12:31:51midkaylast i checked it was nonfunctional..
12:32:09iksarki can get ti to start on my ipod and look around it but i couldnt play anything thats all
12:32:27iksarkand i was testing daily builds but i cant now :(
12:32:42iksarkdoes anyone else know of any other way to make my ipod itunes free?
12:33:07iksarki.e. use it as a normal mp3 player just drag and drop songs onto the hdd
12:33:40iksarkdoes ipodlinux make it work without itunes?
12:33:46midkaynot really.. ipodlinux might..
12:34:05iksarkok i might hav a look at that then, thanx for ur help
12:34:10Apostle^yea i love how it's just drag+drop now
12:34:11midkaygood luck
12:34:13Apostle^best part!
12:35:33Apostle^how often should i update my rockbox install?
12:36:22midkayslammed foot into the door
12:36:37JdGordoni mean.. ouch!
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12:36:49JdGordonas often as something interesting changes
12:36:56Apostle^how do i see when ipod nano changes
12:37:18JdGordonthe rb homepage shows the recent changes
12:38:12Apostle^i love the game bubbles
12:38:50midkayi think one of my toes is broken.
12:39:18*XavierGr is trying to not get drowned by the excess amount of remotes and cables! :D
12:40:16midkayow.. ow.. sigh, please..
12:40:53Apostle^seems all freenode channels have people who are always here but never speak
12:41:18ScoTTiegoto efnet
12:41:23preglowdoes eliminating bit fields give faster code?
12:41:26preglowi don't see why it should
12:41:27ScoTTie3/4 of the network doesnt speak at all
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12:41:39Apostle^DALnet has alot of homos
12:41:50Apostle^freenode is the best :-P
12:41:51ScoTTieDalNet is homo ;p
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12:42:36drspoonanybody been playing wormlet?
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12:42:46Apostle^been playing bubbles :-P
12:43:25drspooni think it needs a patch
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12:47:12Bg3rhm, tell this in the channel ...
12:47:51XavierGramiconn: it really works for the H300
12:47:51amiconnApostle^: There's currently no dev with a 3g, so nobody is able to track down the playback probs. But it *might* be that 3g would work now
12:48:14amiconnXavierGr: Nice :) And H1x0?
12:48:35XavierGrall remotes I have (2 ticking and 1 not-ticking) (all H100) are clear off ticks completely even with the reduce ticking option set to off.
12:48:59XavierGrit seems that this won't make difference on H100 units though
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12:49:03XavierGrI will test again
12:49:28XavierGrbut on H300 it is really superb
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12:49:36XavierGrI can't hear the slightest tick
12:49:49amiconnThat'd mean the ticking on H1x0 has a slightly different cause than on H300.
12:50:06amiconnMy H140 doesn't tick so I can't test. Bummer.
12:51:15XavierGrthe builds on the MR thread are okay right?
12:51:25XavierGrI test both units with those
12:51:29Bg3rXavierGr this post is mine ...
12:51:36XavierGrah yes
12:51:58Bg3rbut u can patch against cvs
12:52:44RedBrevais it the remote hardware ot the player hardware that causes some units to tick..
12:53:54XavierGrwell I tested again, no ticks for H300 at all. But the same levels for H100
12:54:22amiconnRedBreva: Seems to be a combination of both
12:55:05RedBrevaJust wondering if MyH140 (no Tick) might have ticking if I use a friend remote?
12:59:08amiconnXavierGr: Hmm, okay :/ At least it seems to fix ticking for H300. My optimised emi reduction routine should help on h1x0.
13:00:33amiconnI would like you to test this as well when it's ready
13:00:37XavierGramiconn: if you have further ideas about it on H100 contact me to do the testing. I have many remotes
13:02:27XavierGrthough it would be good to find other users of H100 units too. Because the problem seems to be both on remotes and units. E.g your fix maybe will affect some users that report different behaviour with different remotes/units
13:05:21amiconnI'll incorporate the /CS fix for all irivers, as it eliminates one potential source of ticking. The good thing is that it doesn't slow down anything,
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13:06:12amiconnIf a unit still ticks with the /CS fix, we need to keep the 'reduce ticking option'. I hope that my modified emi reduction works better than the one in cvs
13:08:13XavierGralso it is very stange that I take the opposite findings from you amiconn. 1 of my H100 remotes tick on H100 unit while it doesn't on the H300 unit. You say that you get the opposite.
13:09:59amiconnI have a theory, but first I have a question: The remotes that tick on H300 for you - do they tick on all H300s you have access to?
13:11:02XavierGrI only have 1 H300 unit
13:11:34XavierGrSumming up I have: 1 H100 unit. 1 H300 unit
13:11:42XavierGr3 H100 remotes
13:11:52XavierGr1 H300 LCD-less remote
13:11:54peturI wonder if I should get a h300 remote lcd+joystick for $59 + $14.50 shiiping - good price?
13:11:57amiconnHmm. I thought you said something about a friend with a H300...
13:12:56XavierGrmy cousin has an H300 unit with an H300 LCD-remote. He reports that you fix works like a charm
13:13:06XavierGryou = your
13:13:12amiconnAnyway, my theory is that ticking on H300 is caused by bad shielding of /CS in the remote (cable?), so a remote that ticks on one H300 will tick on all of them (and probably H1x0 too, in which case my fix should fix the prob)
13:13:23XavierGrbut he lives in Athnes so I can't test
13:14:16XavierGrmaybe he will get here in Easter. Then I could conduct some more tests
13:14:56amiconnBut the (other kind of) ticking on H1x0 is caused by bad grounding in the unit, i.e. depends on the unit, not the remote
13:15:46amiconnTo sum up: H300 ticking depends on the remote, i.e. a remote that does tick on one H300 will tick on all of them (but my fix will fix this once and for all)
13:16:26amiconnH1x0 ticking depends on the main unit (and the remote), i.e. a main unit that has remote ticking has it with all remotes
13:16:34Genre9mp3Yes! :) Next week I'm coming to Crete! Will have some testing there with the remotes
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13:16:57amiconn(the remote as a potential second cause will be eliminated by my fix)
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13:34:18amiconnSlasheri: 'no thanks' for finally breaking rombox for fmrecorder and recorder v2 :-(
13:34:34amiconn"Output is 232 bytes larger than max (233456)
13:34:34amiconnremoving UCL file again, making it a fake one
13:36:02Slasherioh :/
13:36:45Slasherihmm.. i still hadn't applied the suggested tagcache code size optimizations..
13:37:02Slasherithere was a patch somewhere and it should free ~1k
13:37:10Bg3ramiconn as a fat "guru":) what would be the drawbacks if i make a 75GB FAT32 with 4k cluster size ?
13:38:01amiconnThe result is a huge fat that makes file access very slow
13:38:21amiconnWhy would you want that?
13:39:01Bg3ri don't want it, just the default cluster size of mkdosfs seems to be 4k ...
13:39:59amiconnThe recommended cluster size for >32GB FAT32 partitions is 32k
13:40:16amiconn(which is the maximum possible cluster size)
13:40:51Bg3r10x :)
13:41:51*petur wonders if Bg3r is installing a 80GB 1.8" toshiba disk
13:42:17Bg3rpetur hah no :)
13:42:25Bg3ri wish this was the case
13:42:42Bg3rjust making big fa32 on a desktop HDD
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13:46:28*Bg3r sees for the first time, that FAT32 has "logical sector size" thing ...
13:47:11*Bagder finds it amusing that the fat bug causes windows crashes
13:48:34XavierGrha, that's why my H100 could hang some PC when I connected it?
13:49:05BagderXavierGr: if you made windows read a dir which had files with this problem, then it could be yes
13:49:34peturit never hung or crashed my w2k - am I glad I don't run XP :D
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13:52:56preglowbut anyone, does c compilers actually make so poor bitfield code that it's better to do it by hand?
13:53:10Bagderin general, yes
13:53:25preglowhow is that possible?
13:53:32preglowit's the simplest thing in the world
13:53:50Bagderbut it is also vert often due to C not specifying exactly how bitfields should work
13:54:07Bagderso you can't map hw to bitfields and you can use them fine in unions
13:54:36Bagderalso, when you do it manually you can avoid the bit stuff when you want to, while struct style bitfields make it used always
13:55:03*midkay glares silently from the shadows
13:55:09preglowjust looking at the libmad patch
13:55:23preglowit's got a shitload of changes just relating to removing bitfields
13:55:31preglowbut if it makes sense i guess i'll commit it
13:56:05BagderI guess only a comparison will tell if there's a good reason for that case
13:56:38preglowthen i need to write a profiler parser for arm first..
13:56:42preglowoh woe
13:57:07Bagderor just check the generated asm to see if you can detect any notable differences
13:57:41preglowyeah, i guess it's simple enough for that to be clever
13:57:45preglowbut first, some food
14:01:56Bg3ramiconn are you sure that 32k is the max fat32 cluster size ? because i managed to create a 262144bytes/cluster ...
14:02:41amiconnYeah, it's possible, but outside specs
14:03:11Bg3rk ;)
14:03:12amiconnExpect most fat implementations to vomit
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14:27:53midkayany forum admins interested in stickying a "how to play doom" thread if i make one? seems like there's just streams and streams of questions from people who aren't reading a _word_ before asking how..
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14:28:26Bagdersure, I'll stick it
14:28:44BagderI trust you mean in the ipod section
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14:29:45preglowwhy? doom's for pretty much all targets
14:30:04midkayBagder, yes..
14:30:05Bagderbecause that's where all the doom questions are being made atm
14:30:08JdGordonah.. ah.. AH ....
14:30:12preglowbless you
14:30:14JdGordon.. almost sneeze...
14:30:18JdGordon chooooo!
14:30:28JdGordonoh crap.. shnot all over the screen :'(
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14:30:39peturmost questions get asked by ipod people: either there are more ipod users or they more 'stupid' ?
14:30:52preglowooh, looks nice
14:31:03Bagderpetur: they don't have any MR ;-)
14:31:04preglowpetur: stupid
14:31:18warthawgwhen you play doom, how should you hold your mouth?
14:31:35midkaypetur, the ones who buy an iPod because it's an iPod (like 99% of them) = stupid, yes. :)
14:31:35peturI guessed the latter because they bought an ipod :P
14:32:00warthawgbut, but, i was GIVEN an ipod
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14:32:29muesli__midkay ;)
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14:40:38*Bg3r just added the target ids to the LangFiles
14:42:24Bg3rBagder , if we have
14:42:32Bg3r *: "PLAY = Yes"
14:42:32Bg3r h300: "NAVI = Yes"
14:42:32Bg3r h100,h120: "SELECT = Yes"
14:42:41Bg3rthis will work ok, yep ?
14:42:47BagderBg3r: yes
14:43:00JdGordonBg3r: lookin good (y)
14:43:11amiconnBg3r: Yes, although I would like to switch to SELECT for ipod as well
14:43:18amiconn(currently it is PLAY)
14:43:20preglowme too
14:43:42amiconnOh, and to be 100% correct it should be RIGHT for Ondios
14:44:08Bg3ramiconn yep, it was just an example
14:46:24midkayBagder, posted..
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14:47:09JdGordonMikachu: oh noes!!!! c++ style comments... the source is corrupted :p
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14:48:13midkayBagder, thanks. i wonder if it'd be best to close it too, so it doesn't get cluttered with questions..
14:48:25midkayunique and specific questions should IMO get their own thread..
14:48:27BagderI'll wait and see
14:48:50Bagdernah, I lock it
14:49:00midkayif anything genuine gets asked, we can still add it to the FAQ in there.
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14:49:26midkayk, ty
14:50:14lostlogicamiconn: yeah, after further consideration, I agree about pause off-queue, and to your other comment, I am reworking skip behavior so that it is less of a 'special case' than before.
14:50:30Bg3r *: "SELECT = Yes"
14:50:31Bg3r player,recorder,fmrecorder,recorderv2,gmini120,gminisp: "PLAY = Yes"
14:50:31Bg3r h300: "NAVI = Yes"
14:50:31DBUGEnqueued KICK Bg3r
14:50:31Bg3r ondiofm,ondiosp,ifp7xx,x5,gigabeatf: "RIGHT = Yes"
14:50:43Bg3rany corrections ?
14:51:03midkaydoesn't ifp7xx have select?
14:51:10midkayand the X5 does too.
14:51:12Bg3rmidkay maybe, but ..
14:51:20Bg3r#elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5_PAD)
14:51:21Bg3r#define YESNO_OK BUTTON_RIGHT
14:51:29midkaymaybe that's not how it currently works, but for consistency that should probably be changed..
14:51:36Bg3r#elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_IFP7XX_PAD)
14:51:37Bg3r#define YESNO_OK BUTTON_RIGHT
14:51:58midkayany reason it's like that, anyone?
14:52:04Jungti1234Why does 'Rockbox info' have limit of number of character?
14:52:28Bagderthe x5 keys are pretty much set at random
14:52:43Bg3rBagder still ?
14:52:48midkayBagder, haha. it'd be funny to actually use rand() to generate them.. :)
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14:53:01BagderBg3r: not much has happened to them since
14:53:04midkaywell, my vote goes to "change to select"..
14:53:54JdGordonhas there been any word on when the cvs builds will put the rockbox.* file int eh .rockbox folder?
14:54:34Bg3rJdGordon i asked linus some time ago ...
14:54:46JdGordon.. and?
14:54:52Bg3rand it's planned for the 3.0
14:55:28Bg3r(at least if we remind him;))
14:56:48Mikachuthat would require reflashing, wouldn't it?
14:57:07Mikachufor devices that need flashing
14:57:26Bg3rMikachu iirc the bootloader first searches in the .rockbox dir
14:57:30Bagderits been supported by the bootloader for a while
14:57:34Mikachuah, okay
14:57:50RickJungti1234: cool :)
14:58:25Jungti1234Can it be fixed?
14:58:38RickI see the bug now
14:58:46Rickdidn't notice it before
14:59:02Mikachuheh, i moved rockbox.ipod in rockbox, it worked fine
14:59:04Jungti1234all have problem
14:59:08Mikachuhaven't tried the copy/paste stuff before
15:01:08Bg3rany1 against increasing the temp buffers @ line 80 in main_menu.c from 32 bytes to ... huh.. ?
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15:05:31ep0chmy little test with the libmad patch showed no performance boost on 5g :( time for a test on ihp
15:06:30Bg3rBagder so, Select = yes (for x5) ?
15:06:44BagderI don't know
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15:06:50Mikachui don't like confirm being the same as selecting things from the menu
15:06:56Mikachuespecially for delete
15:07:01Bg3ri know less than u :) i don't have x5
15:07:10Bagderwell, I _have_ one
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15:07:24Bg3ryes, that's why i'm asking u ;)
15:07:25Bagderbut I don't even know when I'd select yes ;-)
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15:09:16Mooscurrently way is good, right click joystick for yes, better than select imho
15:09:42Moosbut din't find out how to use the vkeybord yet : )
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15:15:02ep0chlostlogic: i'm just doing a quick mp3 boost ratio test on my ihp, i believe your changes have reduced the boost ratio of one of my mp3s from 10% to 4%
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15:15:53Bg3rgood to hear
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15:20:21ep0chand with the libmad patch the same file has no boost at all!
15:20:55ep0chthats a 199 kbps mp3
15:21:21Bagderthat's pretty impressive
15:21:45ep0chyeha i'll see if i have some higher bitrate mp3s....
15:23:26midkayep0ch, which of lostlogic's changes do you mean?
15:23:39midkayall his playback reworking?
15:23:50midkayaha, interesting..
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15:30:59ep0ch320 kbps file used 1% boost ratio
15:31:31ep0chnow the interesting thing is my mp1 file plays without boost, but mp2 uses 50% :s
15:32:00ep0ch(ps this is on ihp not ipod)
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15:37:38ashridahlucky you
15:37:43Jungti1234Rick: Solved problem.
15:38:11ashridah720 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 28 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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15:38:12DBUGEnqueued KICK ashridah
15:38:31ashridah(it's actually a stable box faced with a 'testing' upgrade, but i'm not going to put it through that atm
15:39:59BagderI'm just a few weeks behind on unstable
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15:40:13*ashridah doesn't even want to think about the upgrade path when he gets his new PC
15:40:51ashridahnevermind that just booting it is going to be a chore thanks to it being impossible for me to builda kernel with the new SATA controller supported right now
15:41:00ashridahmight have to use a boot cd
15:42:31*warthawg looks around for other devices to install linux on
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15:56:39linuxstbBg3r: It seems others disagree, but I would argue for the YES/NO buttons to be different to the SELECT button. It seems much safer to have a different button to confirm a dangerous action than is used to bring up the confirmation prompt initially.
15:57:02*preglow got bored and tried out a perceptual bass boosting algorithm
15:57:27JdGordoni agree... and in that case h300 should be changed to use play for yes, not navi..
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16:02:55amiconnlinuxstb: There's still safety because you need to press 2 times. Having to move the finger/thumb just to confirm is cumbersome.
16:03:19linuxstbYes, but deliberately cumbersome.
16:03:30amiconnOn all targets except ipod, the buttons are the same,
16:03:41linuxstbI know - I'm suggesting we change them.
16:03:43amiconnand I never accidentally deleted something
16:03:43JdGordonye, but sometimes u accidently release the button and press again.. you could do something bad in that case very accidently..
16:04:25amiconnlinuxstb: If you do, I would insist on making the confirmation optional, and I would switch it off completely
16:05:11linuxstbWell, I'm not insisting they should be different - I'm just curious what opinions people have.
16:05:32JdGordon*cough* implement user configurable buttons for the whole system :p
16:05:40linuxstbBut isn't there a button on all targets which is very close to select/right (or whichever is currently the button for yes)
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16:21:52XavierGrwith the new libmad I am pretty sure that H100 will equal or suprass the stock firmware battery time
16:22:13XavierGr(if 328kbps = 1% boostas ep0ch mentioned)
16:23:38preglowif that is so, the improvement is pretty drastic
16:24:03lostlogicep0ch: good to know that it's not all just random refactoring :)
16:24:31preglowlostlogic: playback seems pretty sweet again now
16:24:38muesli__i had the feeling runtime has improved at all
16:24:55lostlogicpreglow: there are a myriad of stupid skipping issues, so I'm redoing the skip logic onto the right thread now.
16:25:04lostlogicwell later today any way, started last night.
16:25:54preglowwhat the fuck
16:25:58preglowmy disk makes CRAZY noises
16:26:29*preglow decides to do some impromptu brute force backups
16:27:03mtnbkrI know this is a silly question, since it looks like th FAQ already answers it, but having a real person corroboarate it will help. Does Rockbox work on a 2g grey 10GB iPod yet? Will it ever? What can I (a non-programmer) do to help?
16:27:05*Bagder ducks
16:27:28preglowBagder: i've acted the fool too many times when it comes to backups now
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16:27:56Bagderthe upside of having most of your content committed in CVS servers hosted elsewhere ;-)
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16:28:21preglowyeah, i was just now thanking Someone Up There I've got all of my projects in svn now
16:28:21mtnbkrBagder: yeah, but can you commit all of your mp3s :)
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16:28:32Bagderwhat's mp3?
16:29:08*mtnbkr prefers ogg vorbis but ass-u-me-d that most use mp3
16:29:29preglowi swear, if this disk crashes before i can backup some essentials, i'll just find a new hobby
16:30:01mtnbkrwhich is why I desperately need Rockbox to work on my ipos (all my CDs have been ripped and then encoded as -q8 oggs) <shakes fist>Damn You apple </shake>
16:30:33Bagdermtnbkr: that 2G thing is not a mini, is it?
16:30:49peturthen why the h*ll do you have an ipod? :P
16:31:50mtnbkrBagder: no it is a 2nd gen 10GB grey LCD model it says (c) 2002 Apple Computer, Inc. on the back
16:32:42Bagderah, a PP5002
16:33:06preglowmtnbkr: ouch, god damn, you might as well just start optimising our vorbis decoder right now, then
16:33:06mtnbkrpetur: lol I know I know... Well, I got this 10GB model pretty cheap from a friend and I figure since its MAIN purpose is to go mountain biking with me, a loss of it due to a crash would not worry me as much as a more expensive (eg: new) iriver or other.
16:34:04Bagderipodlinux can play 192kbit mp3 "almost ok" on the PP5002
16:34:06mtnbkrpreglow: yeah, -q8 makes some big, but good sounding oggs.
16:34:22preglowmtnbkr: yes, and REALLY cpu hungry
16:34:36Bagderand ogg not at all it seems
16:35:15mtnbkrBagder: I've always got to be different. Been using oggs before most (normals) knew what an mp3 was. lol
16:35:16preglowthey did play vorbis at some time
16:35:33BagderI'm just reading
16:35:57Bagdermtnbkr: well, then you should've gotten another player ;-)
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16:36:08mtnbkrso RockBox 100% for sure does not support this dinosaur?
16:36:14preglowoh, it will
16:36:24Bagderat the moment it doesn't
16:36:26preglowbut we have no devs with a unit like that yet
16:36:42preglowand when we do support it, it probably will struggle like a bitch
16:37:10mtnbkrBagder: well, before I did the re-ripping/reencoding to oggs I have about 24GB of 256K mp3s on another server. So, iTunes on my Apple laptop happily transfers them to the ipod
16:37:37Bagder256K mp3 plays fine on the 2g?
16:38:07mtnbkrthe thing is, I have since stopped engoding to mp3 a long time ago, so that collection is a bit stagnant compared to my current ogg collection.
16:38:34mtnbkrBagder: yeah, I am pretty sure they are all 256k... I'd have to check.
16:38:56Bagderjust curious, it doesn't matter that much
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16:39:19Bagdersince ipl says 192kbit is "almost ok" for them
16:39:46linuxstbBagder: Don't forget that's with the helix decoder, not libmad.
16:39:48mtnbkrI am planning a mountain biking trip to Moab Utah next month and would like to get some of my current stuff on this iPod, but it is looking like I am SOL - without re-ripping/encoding or using sox to convert a bunch of oggs to mp3s which i have successfully done in the past.
16:40:08Bagderlinuxstb: ah, right
16:42:14mtnbkrI have a question though... When I use the ipod_fw to extract the apple firmware, apple_os.bin ends up being about 40BYTES instead of about 5MB reported by the docs. Does the lack of support for the 2g begin right at this point? ie" ipod_fw not able to properly find/extract what it needs from the bootpartition.bin of the 2g? Curious.
16:45:54preglowBagder: also, they don't use iram
16:46:10preglowgod knows if that's any better on pp5002 than on pp5020, though
16:46:12Bagderhow weird
16:48:03preglowok, courtc confirms it's not yet realtime
16:49:28Bagdermtnbkr: but to answer your previous question, to get 2G support going you'd basically have to extract the proper little pieces from IPL and apply to Rockbox and get it running
16:50:05mtnbkrBagder: without explicit directions, that is probably beyond me.
16:50:14linuxstbmtnbkr: ipod_fw (which is just a copy of make_fw from the IPL project) should be able to extract 2G images. AFAIK, IPL works for the 2G.
16:50:15mtnbkrand my iPod skillz
16:50:26Genre9mp3Just a quick the buffer is organised? Does the wps buffer reserves a part, the plugin buffer another part, and the rest goes to the file buffer?
16:50:35mtnbkrI mean OH
16:50:38BagderGenre9mp3: yeps
16:51:01BagderGenre9mp3: but of course there's a whole range of tiny buffers for various purposes
16:51:24linuxstbmtnbkr: How big is the bootpartition.bin file you extracted from your ipod?
16:51:37BagderGenre9mp3: langs, fonts, wps, plugins, codecs, dir cache, tag cache, ...
16:51:59mtnbkrlinuxstb: about 32K −−> 31744 Apr 9 14:33 bootpartition.bin
16:52:07Genre9mp3Bagder: I have extended the wps buffer for my preference...should I expect any bugs?
16:52:22linuxstbmtnbkr: That's the problem I think. It should be around 40MB - definitely a LOT more than 32K.
16:52:45linuxstbmtnbkr: Also, is it a FAT32 or HFS ipod?
16:53:31mtnbkrlinuxstb: OH! UG! I read that it should be abot 30-40MEG, and saw my 32K and READ it as MB and though. ok, coo so far...
16:54:10mtnbkrlinuxstb: it was hfsplus, I have since made it FAT32 so that I could get rockbox to install...
16:54:25amiconnpreglow: For pp5002, I think 2 things might help a bit. (1) IRAM, because the pp5002 is said to have a broken cache implementation. (Broken in what way, btw?)
16:54:34amiconn(2) We can clock it a little higher
16:55:48linuxstb(I think that's all we know about the PP5002)
16:56:11amiconnHaha, a cache with a waitstate...
16:56:39amiconnNow I would expect the heavy iram usage in rockbox to pay off
16:56:50linuxstbSo would I.
16:56:53amiconnOn PP5020+ it seems to make virtually no difference
16:57:27amiconnThe arm core itself is identical?
16:58:32preglowamiconn: would you like to do some memory timing tests on your ipod? :)
16:58:43mtnbkrlinuxstb: I have to run... but when I get back I will see if I can get a 32MEG bootpartition.bin file. That would probably be a good start. :) Thanks
16:58:50amiconnSo with some arm libmad optimisations, I would expect that we can manage realtime on pp5002, provided the gains are in the range of what became possible on coldfire due to preglow's work...
16:58:54preglowi'm curious if iram has an effect on pp502x
16:59:20preglowamiconn: i'm pretty optimistic when it comes to mp3, ogg will be worse
16:59:32amiconnOgg already has arm optimisations?
17:00:14amiconnI've looked a bit into the arm instruction set. Contrary to SH1, arm seems to be built around a barrel shifter...
17:00:28linuxstbpreglow: Do you have specific libmad functions in mind that you want to optimise for ARM, or are you planning to profile it first? shifts almost everywhere
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17:01:40preglowlinuxstb: synth_full
17:01:55preglowand some other small stuff
17:01:57preglowbut we'll see
17:02:06preglowi'll profile (and hence write a parser) first
17:05:54amiconnBtw, with some higher bitrate oggs (dunno the -q, but they are ~220kbps) I get ~50% boost on my mini2g
17:06:15Mikachuover what time period is the boost ratio calculated?
17:06:15preglowogg is actually faster on ipod than mp3...
17:06:25preglowMikachu: all the time you've been in the screen
17:07:59amiconnpreglow: Yes. Wiith the same bitrate mp3, I get ~65..70% boost
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17:08:52Mikachuso i guess repeat on a single song is best if i want to test two different versions of the decoder?
17:10:15man_in_shackanyone know if rockbox would work on a 5g ipod?
17:11:19*petur runs off screaming
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17:12:57linuxstbman_in_shack: Yes, it does work.
17:13:10man_in_shacknow i wish i could afford one
17:14:43warthawgit's better when someone gives you an ipod
17:14:50Mikachui agree :)
17:14:57man_in_shackthat's true
17:15:04man_in_shackbut i don't know anyone who would :(
17:15:47warthawgthe company i work for made a profit for the first time ever last qtr, so they gave every employee a black nano
17:15:57man_in_shackcan i have one? :)
17:16:05Mikachuwarthawg: they didn't like making a profit? :)
17:16:22warthawgMikachu: right ;) making sure it doesn't happen again!
17:17:02*man_in_shack gets hired by warthawg's company and complains about the lack of ipod
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17:17:57warthawgi wonder what the pricing is on the other music players that rockbox supports, are they less expensive than apple?
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17:23:51man_in_shacki wouldn't mind designing/building an mp3 player
17:24:09man_in_shacklike one that's specifically designed to run rockbox :D
17:27:38linuxstbwarthawg: I think the only other MP3 player still being made which is supported by Rockbox is the iaudio X5. All the others are discontinued.
17:27:54warthawglinuxstb, i didn't know that
17:28:04warthawgi guess apple has won the market
17:28:36linuxstbNot really, it's just that other companies have moved on to different hardware designs. All the ipods are very similar to each other, making it easy for us to support them all.
17:29:09warthawglinuxstb, do you see rockbox becoming ipod only, then?
17:29:14linuxstbDefinitely not.
17:29:48linuxstbI'm sure people will continue to port Rockbox to new targets, it's just that by the time the ports are finished, manufacturers have stopped selling them.
17:30:22warthawgi didn't realize it took so long to reverse engineer things
17:30:33linuxstbAnd maybe Apple's next ipod will be a completely different design, and will never get a Rockbox port...
17:35:11man_in_shackwonder what the most power-effcient embedded processor is
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17:36:05Papricai have some probelm in vmware
17:36:31Papricawhen i do ../tools/configure
17:36:59Papricait tells "permission denied"
17:37:08Mikachuchmod +x configure
17:37:13XavierGrhm file permission.
17:37:19Papricaok 10x =]
17:37:23XavierGrOR log in as root. (dirty)
17:37:30Mikachuthat has nothing to do with it
17:37:48XavierGranother way (that I do most of the time to avoid file permissions)
17:37:57XavierGrchmod 777 * -R as root
17:38:08MikachuPaprica: don't listen to XavierGr, he's crazy :)
17:38:27XavierGrThen I have all file permissions for everyone
17:38:44Paprica10x it works now
17:38:45XavierGrofcourse this would be quite silly if it was your main machine
17:41:30Papricaaff now somthing else
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17:42:40lostlogicwhee, testing my first build with reworked skipping (chance of track changes ~= 10%)
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17:48:29preglowmeaning? :>
17:48:43Mikachushould that number be either 0 or 100?
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17:50:23lostlogicmeant track changes working
17:50:27lostlogicand they don't.
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17:53:55Papricammm Mikachu, XavierGr, i need your help again, it tells "permission denied" now on mkdir x
17:53:59Toni1hi there
17:54:25Toni1I added some measurements to my patch
17:54:29XavierGrPaprica go to the whole rockbox source dir and type:
17:54:36XavierGrgive the root password
17:54:42XavierGrthen chmod 777 * -R
17:54:43preglowToni1: looking good
17:54:49preglowToni1: but what's the (0) ?
17:54:55XavierGryou will not have a file permission problem again
17:55:10Toni1only index to the function measured
17:55:12MikachuPaprica: you should unpack the tree as the user who's going to use it
17:55:19preglowToni1: yeah, and 0 isn't listed.. :)
17:55:22Mikachuor cvs
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17:56:37Toni1preglow: sorry, (0)=III_huff_decode (1)=III_stereo
17:57:34Toni1so III_huffdecode can be improved more, but it needs a different bitstream decoder
17:58:10Toni1I don't know, wether the modifications would be excepted by rockbox?
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17:58:48Toni1but anyway, I will try for the fun on it
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18:00:24preglowcan't see why not
18:00:42preglowanything that works towards faster codecs will pretty much be commited
18:00:46preglowand btw
18:00:54preglowyour recording codec stuff is scheduled for 3.1
18:00:58preglowso we haven't forgotten it
18:01:36Toni1ah, that sound good. I will adept the patch to the time after 3.0
18:03:04lostlogicok, that's weird, the first track skip leaves audio stopped, but the subsequent one works, I'm gonna hafta logf this beeeaatch
18:03:04Toni1preglow, do you know wether DRAM is faster on ipod than on iriver?
18:03:32peturwith recording codec and agc,... coming up, would we need a boost mechanism for recording as well?
18:03:56preglowToni1: ipod has cache
18:04:13preglowToni1: and to be honest, i don't know. on newer ipods, iram doesn't seem to matter at all
18:04:42Toni1preglow, ok, that explains, why my patch does not show a difference on ipod.
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18:04:55preglowToni1: oh, but i'm fairly certain someone said it does affect ipods
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18:05:22Toni1petur: I think so. my patch already includes stable cpu clock switching
18:05:55Toni1petur, encoder codec patch it is
18:06:37Toni1preglow, so the small mod in III_huffdecode caching may take effect on ipod
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18:07:36peturToni1: you mean you monitor the ringbuffer and boost when it gets full?
18:08:07Toni1petur, yes exactly.
18:08:32*petur takes bike and iriver and drives home
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18:08:52Toni1petur, have a nice go
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18:24:47livesNboxhey guys −− kinda new to rockbox. I currently subscribe to several podcasts (and video podcasts) is there a good peice of software to get to manage podcasts with a rockbox player ?
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18:25:08Angelnot yet, but u can always boot into the apple firmware and watch them
18:26:18livesNboxAngel, Yeah −− trying to figure out exactly the best way to use this thing.. I love the idea of drag and drop.. and I love the added functionality of rockbox −− and with the theme I have, it looks great.. but there are some things that are missing.
18:26:19Angelany1 know of any sweet games that work with 5g besides doom?
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18:27:05livesNboxLike with album art - seems like my only option is to either give up using album-art, or continue to keep 2 copies of everything on my ipod.. one in apple wierdo format, and one in normal rockbox readable format
18:27:56Angel_of_Deathalbum art will work for rockbox like it does for apple, it will resize and such
18:28:13Angel_of_Deathbut since rockbox hasnt been *released for 5g* yet, not everything is working
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18:28:40livesNboxI thought the only way album art would work is if you have cover.bmp in the folder with the songs in the album?
18:29:08Angel_of_Deathi have a theme right now in which if ur album art is 100x100 it will display while playing the song
18:29:15livesNboxwhich theme ?
18:29:19livesNboxnudel green ?
18:29:22Angel_of_Deathbut none of mine are, simply because itunes used to resize them
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18:29:31Angel_of_Deathits gonna be a little be longer before they fix that
18:29:35Angel_of_Deathnudel green
18:29:46livesNboxthats the one I have.. but you didn't have to put cover.bmp in the folders ?
18:29:58Angel_of_Deathdidnt try
18:30:10livesNboxso you just used itunes to assign artwork to all of the songs ?
18:30:11Angel_of_Deathi knew the AA was attached to each song i had
18:30:22Angel_of_Deathwell i had already done that lol
18:30:24Angel_of_Deathbut yes
18:30:30livesNboxhmm.. I've done that too..
18:30:38Angel_of_Deathwhere they 100x100 in size?
18:30:42livesNboxso maybe I should just use itunes to manage my ipod..
18:30:45livesNboxno they weren't.
18:30:49livesNboxall different sizes.
18:30:54Angel_of_Deaththen they wont display on nudel green...yet
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18:31:01livesNboxah... i see....
18:31:19Angel_of_Deathlike i said rockbox hasnt been *released* for 5g yet, u can just get the daily progress builds
18:31:28Angel_of_Deathsome days the builds dont even work at all :P
18:31:44Angel_of_Deathfor me tho AA isnt important enough to switch me back
18:31:46livesNboxheh.. i have a devel environment.. i should try that :)
18:32:02Angel_of_Deathi mean, its nice... but i will wait for RB to come out with it
18:32:37*livesNbox blows away his duplicate copies of everything
18:32:50*livesNbox goes back to itunes to manage his stuff :)
18:32:59*livesNbox uses tagcache and lives happily ever after
18:33:02livesNboxglad I came here today!
18:33:12Angel_of_Deathso ur gonna ditch rockbox cause of AA?
18:33:54livesNboxno no.. I'm just not going to need dupe copies
18:33:59livesNboxI'll just let itunes manage my songs..
18:34:05livesNboxand then use that tagcache program to index them all.
18:34:37livesNboxthat nudel green with the album art looks really slick.. the UI for rockbox has come a long way in the last year.
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18:34:50Angel_of_Deathit look bad on the site
18:35:05Angel_of_Deathits missing the background
18:35:17Angel_of_Deathwhich is slightly noticable, but its nice
18:35:58Angel_of_Deathwell goodluck
18:36:04Angel_of_Deathjust dont use foo_pod
18:36:08Angel_of_Deathcause it doesnt work lol
18:36:35Angel_of_Deaththink im going to go play Counter-Strike source
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18:50:50preglowLear: yo
18:51:22preglowLear: what's the reason behind apply_gain doing so much copying? why doesn't it just do the gain and store the result in the array it's working on?
18:51:50LearThere was a reason, I remember that... Let me think a little. :)
18:52:16preglowthe working buffer is almost always iram these days anyway
18:58:58LearWell, src might be the sample_buf, in which case it isn't copying. :) But that might've been the reason, not assuming src was in iram. Or maybe just not modifying in incoming buffer...
18:59:24LearAiming for getting rid of one of the sample buffers? Maybe to allow "longer" loops?
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19:00:45adamdullentydoes anyone have any idea what the heck is going on here... trying to send someone a recording I made from the radio today, every single time I plug my iRiver into any PC, the PC blue screens and restarts
19:01:08Mikachutry linux
19:01:22PaulJor run chkdsk
19:01:24adamdullentyIt might be some thing to do with the recordings folder, i try browsing to that then it crashes a second or two later
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19:01:38Angel_of_Deathsounds not-good
19:01:44adamdullentyyeah :-\
19:02:00Angel_of_Deathis the build for iRiver *released*
19:02:16adamdullentyI glanced a message on one of the bluescreens saying it might have something to do with fastfat.sys, if I read correctly
19:02:44Angel_of_Deathlike on my 5g the build hasnt been released, they are still working on the final version
19:02:52Angel_of_Deathhave they released rockbox for ur iriver
19:03:18Mikachu3.0 will be released at the end of this month
19:03:28Mikachu2.5 was the last release, so i'm guessing it didn't support iriver
19:03:33adamdullentythere's a new release every day isn't there?
19:03:42Angel_of_Deaththose are called builds
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19:03:54Mikachua release has a version number
19:04:15adamdullentyah, whether it "supports" it or not is irrelevant - it's used by many many iRiver users already, and is still crashing my PCs, lol
19:04:25adamdullentycheers for that link, seems to be exactly what i'm experiencing
19:05:11Angel_of_Deathlol yes i know, but what i was saying was... if u have a bad build... some days the builds they release dont even work.... that might be why
19:05:16Angel_of_Deathso try an older build
19:05:30adamdullentyah good point
19:06:07PaulJadamdullenty: you should update rockbox, the bug that caused your problems was fixed a few day ago.
19:06:17adamdullentycheers :)
19:07:03Mikachuit's pretty awesome that you can crash windows with it though
19:07:23adamdullentyhaha, yeah, I was thinking that... get some of those files on a USB stick and voila. instant crashing
19:07:24Angel_of_Deathlike thats hard to do...
19:07:55Angel_of_Deathplease crashing windows is like a baby crying.... it happens all to often
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19:08:31adamdullentywhat do you mean by the "short name", by the way?
19:08:53Mikachuthere's a difference between it crashing on its own and crashing by plugging in a funny usb device
19:09:04Angel_of_Deathwell of course
19:09:17Angel_of_Death1, u mean to do, the other, it means to do =)
19:09:46Angel_of_Death"Windows XP is the most Secure version of windows yet"
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19:10:03preglowLear: yeah, but in the process you cut everything into smaller pieces
19:10:12preglowLear: it also looks like you assume what size sample_buf is
19:10:32preglowLear: but yeah, i'd like all sample buffers to be as long as possible, so eq and stuff like that with some init overhead gets run in an innerloop as often as possible
19:10:37preglowi'll probably fix it at some point
19:11:39Angel_of_Deathok i have a problem now.
19:11:47Angel_of_Deathwho here has played doom on there iPods?
19:11:58Learpreglow: well, the assumption within all of dsp.c is that the count for all the processing functions is small enough to fit in the sample_buf, so it can be used whenever needed.
19:12:38Learpreglow: at the time, there wasn't much overhead, so I wasn't worried about it.
19:12:40Angel_of_Deathdoes any1 know how to open the .wad (levels) files in doom?
19:13:05LearBut if you want to change things in dsp.c, don't let me stop you. ;)
19:13:50Angel_of_Deathhm. guess not.
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19:14:32kkurbjunAngel_of_Death, what do you mean open levels in doom?
19:14:49Angel_of_Deathhave u played doom on an ipod?
19:15:29kkurbjunno, but I developed it
19:15:34preglowLear: i can't think of any places where that needs using now
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19:15:47kkurbjun(linuxstb did most of the ipod work)
19:15:56preglowLear: that is, except in convert
19:16:14kkurbjunAngel_of_Death, what is your question?
19:16:16Angel_of_Deathwell anyways ive downloaded different .wad files because i was told i could load them up and play them in doom
19:16:23Learpreglow: Which you're slowly removing the need for...
19:16:24Angel_of_Deathi put them in the \Games\doom folder
19:16:29Angel_of_Deathbut i dont know how to play on them
19:16:40kkurbjunyou need to put them in /games/doom/addons
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19:17:16Angel_of_Deathlets see if that did the trick...
19:17:23preglowLear: one hurdle left: interleaved stereo
19:17:31preglowLear: the wavpack guy doesn't want me to remove that :)
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19:18:20preglowLear: if you know of a good, in-place way to convert interleaved to non-interleaved: let me know
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19:28:10lostlogicdamnit, every time there's supposed to be a codec change, it stops playback instead *mutter*
19:29:35Learlostlogic: noticed another thing (not quite with the latest build though): reshuffle the playlist and it skips to the next track. happened for me when playing a folder and changing from shuffled to sorted...
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19:30:18lostlogicI think that's fixed, but won't be able to mess with it until I make track skipping some semblence of work again :-P
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19:59:46neffgood evening all - are there any current known resume bugs with the h140?
20:00:18neffI'm having to carry a paper clip around with me again at the moment
20:02:29preglowlostlogic's refurbishing the playback system
20:04:05neffahhhh - first noticed it last week - I can't pin it down exactly yet but it seems to be when I turn it back on with the car power plugged in
20:04:41neffI shall be a patient little user and keep updating - thanks for the info
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20:13:07pilli had another hang->jump to next album near the end of the album
20:14:01pillit's slightly less worse than yesterday where i had hang->jump to a random position in a random track in the same folder basically anytime
20:15:39Rob2222lostlogic: Do you have a H300 LCD Remote?
20:15:43Angel_of_Deathkkurbjun, u still here?
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20:19:37lostlogicRob2222: no
20:19:46lostlogicneff: try latest bleeding edge
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20:19:58Rob2222lostlogic: Do you know about the swapped buttons at H300 LCD remote?
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20:23:19neffOK - I've give the bleeding one a go and testing out on my commute tomorrow - thanks
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20:25:48lostlogicdamn thing isn't loading the codec on what should be a full rebuffer *mutter spit*
20:26:06lostlogicpreglow: I like that term for what I'm doing :-P
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20:45:25lostlogicah HAH! found the bugger... now, will track skipping work right?
20:45:52peturlostlogic rules
20:46:09peturlostlogic for president
20:46:27peturanything 's better than Bush, right? :P
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20:46:44luckzwhat is a qucikscreen exactly?
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20:46:57Paul_The_NerdIt's a very limited option menu
20:47:09Paul_The_Nerdusually accessed by holding down the same button that gets you to the full menu, instead of tapping it
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20:47:21lostlogicpetur: :) I'm not old enough to be president yet :-(
20:48:42lostlogicdidn't work.
20:49:00peturlostlogic doesn't rule
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21:09:43crashdhey guys
21:09:50crashdhow's the playback on swcodec looking lostlogic ;)
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21:11:26lostlogiccrashd: coming along... CVS playback works fine, some cases of track skipping give BUGS, includging sometimes audio artifacts, so I'm reworking track skip currently
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21:11:51crashdcool, glad it's coming on well :) gonna give it a spin when i get back to my box tommorow
21:11:52lostlogiccrashd: my current tree just stops after starting to load the next track on a unbuffered skip.
21:12:10crashdgetting there though : )
21:12:13lostlogichehe, yah
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21:26:07godzirraHowdy folks.
21:26:20godzirraIs the album art patch in the current builds now? I dont see it on the patch list anymore...
21:27:41Paul_The_Nerdgodzirra: This one?
21:27:51*Paul_The_Nerd still sees it.
21:28:08godzirraOops. Sorry, I'm braindead.
21:28:17godzirraDidnt realize it had just gotten pushed off the page.
21:29:55Paul_The_NerdThere's a really handy "search" function
21:30:03Paul_The_NerdAnd you can tell what gets included in CVS by checking the changelog.
21:31:10godzirraOk. I just figured there had to be an easier way than going through hcangelogs for every day back to the day I updated. ;)
21:31:20godzirraWhats holding back album art being put into the build, if I may ask?
21:31:50Paul_The_NerdHaving the album art stored with the metadata in the audio buffer properly, I believe.
21:33:08Paul_The_NerdThat and it's not even really gonna get looked at again by a dev until the freeze is over
21:34:01godzirraAhh ok. I didnt realize that the stuff that already had patches out counted towards the freeze.
21:34:46Paul_The_NerdThe freeze is on new features going into CVS
21:35:11Paul_The_NerdPeople can make all the patches they want during the freeze, but unless it addresses issues mentioned in the ToDo for 3.0, or fixes outstanding bugs it's not going to be included
21:35:23godzirraMakes sense.
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21:38:11amiconnXavierGr: r u around?
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21:40:01amiconnWanna test something on h1x0?
21:40:06XavierGrof course
21:40:15amiconnPatch or pre-built?
21:40:30XavierGrwhatever you like
21:41:24arf-arfamiconn: I can test on H140 if you like?
21:41:46amiconnarf-arf: Do you have the ticking remote problem?
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21:42:12arf-arfSometimes, not all the time though.
21:42:43arf-arfOr that might have been the residual growing hum after playing a lot of mpc files in a row a few months back.
21:43:05arf-arfCome to think of it, since I re-encoded from flac->ogg, I stopped getting that.
21:43:25arf-arfBut now seeking works in mpc, I'm considering going back to mpc...
21:43:59arf-arfaaaaand back to lurking I go.
21:45:03amiconnApply this, then test a build on h1x0 with a ticking remote. I would like to know whether this build ticks more, less or equally loud _at 45MHz_
21:45:12amiconn...with the ticking fix enabled.
21:45:30amiconnIt should tick like hell with the ticking fix disabled
21:45:35XavierGrthe reduce ticking options you mean?
21:45:52amiconnIt's implemented in a rather different way
21:46:21amiconnYou can also try a H300 build, it shouldn't tick at all because it contains my /CS fix (with timeout this time)
21:47:21XavierGrok wait one moment please
21:47:39amiconnThe 'reduce ticking' option does not yet adjust itself to 124MHz, so I would expect it to tick a bit more than cvs when boosted
21:47:45amiconn(on H1x0)
21:49:32amiconnYOu can try that nevertheless, would be a pleasant surprise if it doesn't tick more
21:50:03XavierGrI test it when no music is playing. I just get to filetree and scroll
21:50:47amiconnYes, that's what I did on H300 as well
21:51:04*amiconn just found that his remote even ticks a bit on his H140
21:51:16amiconnNever noticed before, 'cause it's very faint...
21:51:27XavierGrI know what you mean
21:52:34amiconnAt 124MHz, ticking is clearly noticeable w/o ticking reduction
21:52:45*amiconn wonders why he never noticed it before
21:52:59amiconnProbably because I usually don't use the remote...
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21:53:54XavierGrRight now I am compiling
21:54:01amiconnMaybe all (or the majority) of H1x0's tick...
21:54:58amiconnNow it becomes interesting...
21:55:31*amiconn compares with cvs
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21:55:54XavierGrI need only the firmware file to test right?
21:56:02sharpeodd... taskmanager just crashed on me :D
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21:58:10XavierGrok let's hear. :)
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21:59:19sharpexavier, didst thou knoweth i got colored text output on the c64 emulator?
21:59:27CeleryHello, my rockbox wont load doom (its in the plug ins directory) but its stating that I have no base wads......any help?
21:59:50sharpeare the wads in "/games/doom" ?
22:00:44sharpeor, did you place the wads in that directory?
22:01:04Celeryi got my addons folder in there in my /doom root i got doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad
22:01:54CelerySays theres no base wads
22:01:58amiconnNow it gets completely confusing... :-/
22:02:12CeleryYup lol
22:02:25amiconnWhy the hell is the remote lcd faster on H1x0 than on H300????
22:02:29Galoisit's supposed to be in /games/doom not /doom
22:02:42Celeryi have rockbox/games/doom
22:02:50sharpeshouldn't be in rockbox
22:02:53amiconnIt's the same flaming lcd controlled the same way with the same cpu at the same frequencies????
22:02:58CeleryDAMN lol lemme try
22:03:01sharpejust on a folder in it's own on the root of the drive
22:03:36Celerylol ;)
22:03:58Celeryanyone here get the iboy (gameboy) to run yet?
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22:04:26CeleryI run both Ipod-Linux and rockbox on my ipodloader
22:04:36Celeryit lets me select whichever (on my 5 g)
22:05:06Celery(yay doom works) thanks
22:05:12XavierGrit is very hard to tell if there is any ticking with the option set to on. (but that;s the case in both versions)
22:05:41XavierGrI think that I hear a very slight tick (very very tiny) but this maybe placebe.
22:06:20XavierGrI could say that the tick is the same or lower with the patch you gave me.
22:06:32amiconnMy ticking is so faint that it's barely noticeable at 45MHz in cvs *without* ticking reduction
22:06:34XavierGrbut veyry difficult to recognise
22:06:49Celeryanyone else run ipod linux?
22:06:52amiconnMy faster lcd update makes it more noticeabe without reduction
22:06:53Celeryon there 5 g
22:06:56XavierGrwithout ticking reduction I can hear it pretty well
22:07:18XavierGrbut let me check then without ticking reduction
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22:09:07lostlogicif an immediate return condition at the top of a function is always true when called in the context I'm calling it, is that a bad thing?
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22:13:10XavierGramiconn: with and with out reduce ticking option enabled I get the same levels of ticking. With the option enabled the tick is so faint that I am not sure if it is just my idea.
22:13:36XavierGrI mean on the different versions of the firmware
22:13:46lostlogicZOMG it finally skipped a track or 3
22:13:53XavierGrah crap let me rephrase
22:14:03*preglow swallows tongue
22:14:22sharpethat's not too good to do
22:14:35amiconnSomething is really at odds on H300. The remote lcd update speed differences H300-H140 are (all w/o ticking reduction): 100:104 at 124MHz, 100:112 at 45MHz and 100:191 at 11MHz (!!)
22:14:54amiconnThat means, something is eating almost half the I/O bandwidth on H300 at 11MHz
22:15:32*amiconn summons LinusN
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22:16:01XavierGrwith reduce ticking on it is very hard to disntiguish any differences on both firmwares. I am not sure if it is my idea on hearing.
22:16:11amiconnWhat the flaming hell could that be??
22:16:56XavierGrwithout reduce ticking. Again I can't sense a difference (between the 2 firmwares I tested). Though on 124 Mhz it ticks like hell.
22:16:57amiconnXavierGr: Your H300 doesn't tick at all as expected?
22:17:07XavierGrhmm didn't try on my h300
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22:18:42XavierGramiconn: the patch you gave me doesn't change the H300
22:19:00XavierGrI mean the file the patch alters is lcd-h100-remote.c
22:19:11XavierGrdoes that has impact on H300?
22:19:25lostlogicgah, I have a buffer pointing problem. codecs seem to be fed themselves to decode, or old audio to decode, depending on buffer condition :(
22:19:51XavierGrhmm let me try again something
22:19:54amiconnlcd-h100-remote is also used on H300, and also for the H300 lcd remote. The lcd circuit is identical for both
22:20:04XavierGrI think I did something very foolish
22:20:46XavierGrcrap how the hell my CVS trees messed up with each other
22:20:58XavierGrall my tests were wrong
22:21:08XavierGrthat's why I heard the same levels of ticking
22:21:13XavierGrI will compile again
22:23:36preglowlostlogic: sounds like a heap of fun
22:23:42preglowlostlogic: are you doing testing on target or sim?
22:23:47lostlogicpreglow: this is the home stretch, imo
22:23:51lostlogicpreglow: target
22:24:24lostlogicpreglow: diffstat for the commit that will happen once I figure out how I'm mispointing the buffer: 1 file changed, 234 insertions(+), 241 deletions(-)
22:27:57preglowlooking forward to it
22:28:23*petur syncs with cvs before hell breaks loose
22:28:39amiconnHell already has broken loose...
22:28:49amiconn(and no, I don't mean lostlogic's rework)
22:28:58lostlogic::blink blink:: you don't!?
22:29:01lostlogicI'll hafta try harder!
22:29:08XavierGramiconn: with your patch ticking can be heard a little bit more on H100
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22:29:22amiconnI wonder why...
22:29:27XavierGra great deal with reduce off and a tiny bit with reduce on
22:29:41amiconnYes, with reduce off it's expected
22:29:44XavierGrnow I will check H300
22:29:54amiconnThe lcd update is more than twice as fast without reduction
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22:30:46XavierGrbut I will test again the H100 with reduce to on. It is very hard to hear a difference. If it is louder it is a tiny bit.
22:31:22amiconnI think it's louder as well. Have to grab my scope and connect it to headphone out
22:31:31amiconn(should have had this idea earlier)
22:33:12XavierGrwell yes, it is a little louder at 45mhz. at 124 I can hear it clearly. (all with reduction set to on)
22:33:58amiconn124MHz is not accounted for yet
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22:36:08*Paul_The_Nerd returns bearing bugs.
22:36:27Paul_The_NerdPreglow: You present by chance?
22:36:32XavierGron H300 you have enabled the previous patch?
22:36:57amiconnYes, this time also with a proper /CS timeout
22:37:08amiconnDoesn't tick at all on my H340
22:37:21preglowPaul_The_Nerd: yeah
22:37:22amiconn(like the previous, proof-of-concept patch)
22:37:50Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: This may just be my faulty understanding, but with a precut of 7db, I shouldn't clip if the song doesn't clip normally and no bands are raised over +7, right?
22:38:23preglowPaul_The_Nerd: indeedey
22:39:28XavierGramiconn: yes I can confirm that.
22:39:29Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: In that case, precut has two bugs. The first being that if precut is set to 0, equalizer settings don't seem to be applied at all. Then, when I increased it to 0.5, suddenly clipping like mad with a +7 at the 60hz shelf (to be expected) but raising it to +7 still didn't remove it. In fact, if I raise the precut to +24, with a flat EQ, the overall sound is barely softer. Shouldn't it be considerably quieter?
22:39:40XavierGrnow dinner time.
22:39:49XavierGramiconn: thanks for looking into it.
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22:40:07Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Though the latter may just be a scale issue. 2.4 instead of 24 being applied, or something?
22:40:09preglowPaul_The_Nerd: ehh, i'll check it out
22:40:20preglowi tried it a couple of days ago, and it worked fine for me
22:40:47Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Okay. This is from a build as of about 16 hours ago.
22:42:28Learso a positive pre-cut lowers the volume?
22:42:51Paul_The_NerdLear: Precut only goes from 0 to -24
22:43:05preglowi'll try again, then
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22:43:45LearHm.., that surely explains why I got the impression the equalizer didn't do that much the other day... :)
22:44:43preglowprecut most definitely works
22:45:17LearHe, when I activate pre-cut, volume is noticably increased. Then agian, I only have a low-shelf filter with some boost... :)
22:45:24Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Odd, even with a precut of -24 I can get clipping pretty easily. Is there something else I could be doing wrong?
22:45:35Paul_The_NerdLear: Same here
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22:46:03Paul_The_NerdWith a completely flat EQ, if I move precut from 0.0 to -0.5, the volume goes up quite a bit
22:46:08preglowi can't make it clip no matter what
22:46:13preglowPaul_The_Nerd: _UP_ ?
22:46:19preglowthat's insane
22:46:35Paul_The_NerdLike about the same as increasing volume ~8db or so
22:46:38preglowis this with replaygain?
22:46:46preglowthen i guess that's to blame
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22:46:55Paul_The_NerdReplaygain and precut are incompatible then?
22:46:57preglowi don't know how well safetydan debugged using replaygain too
22:47:14preglowtry with no replaygain
22:47:16Paul_The_NerdI certainly don't mind if the answer to that is "yes" since I don't actually *use* the equalizer, but it'll be good to know if anyone starts complaining. :)
22:47:26preglowit'd be a bbug
22:48:00Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Yeah, with replaygain disabled precut works a lot more like it should.
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22:48:28LearHm.. Could the line with the "/* FIXME: This isn't that easy right? */" be the reason perhaps? :)
22:48:41preglowLear: yes
22:48:43preglowthat's my guess
22:48:46preglowi think it's a sign problem
22:48:49preglowbut brb
22:50:00Learthat should probably be a proper fixed-point mul (they way gain * preamp is calculated)...
22:50:31amiconnIsn't replaygain stored as dB?
22:51:10MikachuREPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN=+0.18 dB
22:51:14Mikachuthat's in ogg
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22:51:27LearYes, but recalculated to a linear scale value, so that to apply it, it is mulitplied to each sample value.
22:51:31preglowi was under the impression the value was in db
22:51:48preglowand you can add db values
22:51:52Learthat's the gain stored in dsp->replaygain.
22:52:11Learbut dsp->replaygain isn't db...
22:52:24preglowahh, right
22:52:27preglowthen we need a mul, yes
22:53:09Learthat's what get_replaygain_int does, convert from db...
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22:53:43amiconnWhy not just use one scaler for both replaygain and eq precut?
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22:54:11amiconnThen the value could be converted to linear after adding replaygain dB and precut dB
22:54:13tempelamiconn here? i need help with the LCD iPod driver on linux
22:54:21tempelah , there he is :)
22:54:33webguest82I know i'm a noob, but I don't see a readme anywhere...How do I install rockbox onto my ipod, drag it into itunes or what?
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22:54:46Mikachuwebguest82: that's not quite it, no
22:55:04sharpethar be a wiki off the port side!
22:55:10Mikachuwebguest82: there are plenty of intsructions on the web site
22:55:19tempelhey amiconn, would you please come to #tempel ?
22:57:50preglowamiconn: i think that's what safetydan thought he was doing, at least ;)
22:58:16Learamiconn: conversion is done during tag read already, so it isn't quite that easy to retro-fit...
22:59:09amiconnHmm, I'd think the tag read could be changed into reading dB, and conversion can be done later, when starting the track?
22:59:26matslBagder: you there?
22:59:31BagderI am
23:00:23preglowi say let's just do a multiply for now
23:00:35preglowat least i haven't got time for any big overhauls of it now
23:00:53LearWell, yes, but it'd need to be converted if replaygain mode, pre-amp, etc. is changed, and it isn't as fast as a mul...
23:01:09matslBagder: is there some way to find out the email from the userid in CVS
23:01:21Lear(well, a couple of muls, adds and a shift, really)
23:02:00Bagdermatsl: not really, but I think I can assist with a manual lookup! ;-)
23:02:20Bagder(if you're talking about rockbox)
23:03:19matslBagder: maybe you don't need to I just saw someone.
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23:04:25akimblah I must be failing at command prompt
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23:04:52akimDrive is not an Ipod, aborting >_<
23:05:05midkayakim, try another then.
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23:05:49Paul_The_Nerdakim: ipodpatcher 2, ipodpatcher 3... until the drive IS an iPod. :)
23:05:50matslLear: could you also be known as learman?
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23:06:00|Unknown|how do I add a codec to rockbox?
23:06:18preglowwhat codec?
23:06:28midkayby porting it, but everything that works or is intended to work is included..
23:06:50akimoh lord it worked
23:07:06akimi think i still have more stuff t do -_-
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23:08:38akimhmm so to install i extract all the files through my itunes now?
23:09:24*Paul_The_Nerd wonders if ACC is a format he's not familiar with, or a typo.
23:09:26Mikachui'm not sure why you're guessing instead of reading the instructions, but i don't think itunes is involved in any way in the install process
23:09:27matslBagder: I lost him. learman has been updating the svenska.lang. I would like to discuss some translation issues with him.
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23:09:47akimTo install (or upgrade) Rockbox you need to attach your iPod to your PC via USB, ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk, and then unzip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod.
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23:09:59sharpei'm going to add a little custom setting for the emulator...
23:10:00matslBagder: but I fail to find a way to contact him. can you help?
23:10:14Mikachuah okay
23:10:24Paul_The_Nerdakim: Assuming you've finished the bootloader process, yes. That doesn't say anything about "itunes" though.
23:10:36Paul_The_NerdOther than enabling disk mode
23:10:43akimhow do I do that?
23:10:44dwihnoAnyone noticed funny wps/current file behaviour on ipod lately?
23:11:10Paul_The_Nerdakim: Right click on your ipod, choose properties, and find the setting. Then, you can access your ipod like a hard disk through My Computer
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23:11:37Paul_The_Nerddwihno: You mean, incorrect tags displaying for next song, and stuff like that?
23:11:54*|Unknown| means cod3c AAC
23:11:57dwihnoPaul_The_Nerd: yeah)
23:12:06Paul_The_Nerddwihno: Known issue. 'tis being tackled. :)
23:12:21Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: AAC is already partially supported by Rockbox. It needs a good bit of work though.
23:12:26dwihnoFunny thing though :) Got me foole
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23:13:53dwihnoFunky how flac decodes realtime at 30mhz and wavpack struggling at 75mhz
23:14:24|Unknown|so there is no AAC codec for rockbox atm?
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23:14:39Bagder<Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: AAC is already partially supported by Rockbox. It needs a good bit of work though.
23:14:40preglowread what Paul_The_Nerd said to you
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23:14:55Bagderthat _is_ a codec
23:14:58Bagderjust needs work
23:15:03Bagderfeel free to dive in!
23:15:19Paul_The_Nerddwihno: Lossless wavpacks are struggling?
23:15:20|Unknown|where is this "sorta" working codec?
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23:15:34Bagder|Unknown|: in rockbox
23:15:38Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: With all the rest of 'em...
23:16:03dwihnoPaul_The_Nerd: Well, roughly 80% time spent in boosted mode
23:16:16|Unknown|cause whenever I listen to music a little message comes up like /itunes/music/some number/ no codec found
23:16:21dwihnodisk reads doe
23:16:25Paul_The_Nerddwihno: But they're actual lossless files? Not lossy ones?
23:16:32lostlogicbagh, back skipping is like a nightmare with wings.
23:16:34Paul_The_NerdAnd bear in mind that hybrid doesn't work.
23:16:49dwihnoPaul_The_Nerd: as as lOssless as they get
23:17:08*Bagder curses those winged nightmares
23:17:09akimHmm I put the files into my ipod G drive finished all the command stuff and my ipod looks the same :P
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23:17:11Paul_The_Nerddwihno: What type of player?
23:17:32Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: Are they files you encoded yourself, or bought from the store, or what?
23:17:34dwihnoPaul_The_Nerd: ipod video
23:17:51Mikachuakim: are you sure you read the instructions? are you sure it wasn't... nothing?
23:17:54dwihnowhat is par y mode btw?
23:18:04Paul_The_Nerddwihno: Could you by chance share as small file compressed in that manner? Lossless wavpack should be *very* efficient.
23:18:11lostlogichmm, if I keep holding play while the ipod shuts down, the backlight doesn't go off before the screen clears and it flashes.
23:18:19|Unknown|mostly from cds I own
23:18:20Mikachudwihno: if you turn it on, lots of girls will come to your house and party all night
23:18:26akimbad fg reference ;p
23:18:29|Unknown|and a few I downloaded
23:18:39Mikachulostlogic: maybe the button driver calls backlight_on because you send wheel events?
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23:18:49lostlogicMikachu: good call! stupid.
23:18:52Paul_The_Nerdakim: You did finish the whole bootloader process. Like, you did the ipodpatcher -r ste, the ipod_fw steps, and the ipodpatcher -w step?
23:18:55preglowPaul_The_Nerd: depends how it's compressed
23:18:59dwihnoPaul_The_Nerd: Just compress anything with max compression
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23:19:02preglowPaul_The_Nerd: it's pretty heavy on the cpu in -h mode
23:19:09Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Ah.
23:19:24dwihnoMikachu: that explains the PRO people joining the fun ;(
23:19:27Paul_The_NerdI used to have wavpacks, but I don't recall which mode they were in. I transcoded to flac at some point.
23:19:40preglowordinary wavpack is still pretty fast
23:19:49preglowand always compressed a bit better than flac, afaik
23:20:00dwihnoI might up going all flac too..
23:20:08Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: Well, is it ALL of them that cause the problems, or just the downloaded ones? Rockbox doesn't support DRM wrapped music
23:20:15dwihnopeople have a hard time supporting it
23:20:34|Unknown|all of them
23:20:59preglowlike it's been said
23:21:02preglowaac support needs work
23:21:03preglowtons of it
23:21:10preglowas it is, it's not going to be bundled with 3.0
23:21:17dwihnowhat is party ,ode? less afgressive caching?
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23:21:47|Unknown|okay, how bout has there been a fix for rockboy and the hold keY?
23:21:52Paul_The_Nerddwihno: Party mode disabled the ability to stop playback, and causes an automatic "Insert Last" (or Queue Last?) event when songs are clicked on, instead of playing them back immediately, if I understand correctly
23:21:56gursikhdwihno: makes it so you can't stop playback no matter what
23:22:14Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: Generally speaking, that information is available in the changelog.
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23:22:51gursikhand all over the forums where people post 4 times asking... "what's this new so and so...
23:23:06akimOH WAIT
23:23:08akimim retarded
23:23:26Sinbiosyah really
23:25:10|Unknown|wheres the changelog?
23:25:24dwihnoaren't there any xvid plugins yet btw? ;)
23:25:40Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: It's that thing on the front page t hat shows recent updates, and then the link right above it that says "Changes since 2.5"
23:25:51Mikachudwihno: i think there is a plugin that can extract frames from an xvid stream
23:25:58|Unknown|ok thankx ^_^
23:26:13dwihnoMikachu: always a start :)
23:27:04akimthat was the most confusing crap I've ever done
23:27:04dwihnoMikachu: without the hw chip, it'll be difficult to do realtime?
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23:28:16lostlogicback skipping out of the buffer is a nightmare with wings and horns
23:28:27*dwihno pulls the NDA-free specs from Mikachu's ear
23:28:52Mikachuoh thanks, they were itching something fierce
23:28:52dwihnoNow that would be a pretty neat trick :)
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23:33:01Mikachuhm, it might be useful to call the pitch screen from the view audio thread screen
23:33:07akimWhat does, "Sorry you have no base wad's" mean?
23:33:27Mikachuit means that you don't have any base wads, but i think it's not really sorry
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23:34:35akimoh dear
23:34:41sharpeyeah, it's secretly giggling.