| 00:00:10 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5085 <- petur fixed this one a few days ago didn't he? |
| 00:00:41 | petur | yup |
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| 00:01:04 | petur | didn't know there was another report on the tracker :( |
| 00:01:19 | midkay | anybody objecting to my creating a new battery type for the iAudio X5? it currently uses LIPOL1300, the min capacity of which is 1300mah, but the X5's battery is 950mAh, so i think the best thing to do is just #define a new LIPOL950.. |
| 00:01:49 | Mikachu | petur: i think this was reported after you fixed it.. :) |
| 00:02:02 | petur | yes I saw it and I closed it ;) |
| 00:02:09 | Bagder | midkay: I'm not sure a new "type" is the correct answer to that problem |
| 00:02:24 | midkay | Bagder, what is then? |
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| 00:02:56 | midkay | the battery situation imo rather sux.. people probably don't know what to select, and i think iPod's battery is even lower than 950 mAh.. |
| 00:03:01 | Bagder | a single type for all similar LiIon ones and a default mah for the model |
| 00:03:08 | Bagder | perhaps |
| 00:03:17 | Bagder | ... but now I'll go sleep |
| 00:03:22 | midkay | Bagder, one sec.. |
| 00:03:55 | midkay | what do you think about preset values? e.g. "450 mAh (iPod 5G, Nano)", "950 mAh (iAudio X5)", .. |
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| 00:04:41 | Bagder | like I said |
| 00:04:49 | Bagder | it could be fixed nicer too |
| 00:04:59 | midkay | what? |
| 00:05:12 | Bagder | "a single type for all similar LiIon ones and a default mah for the model" |
| 00:05:16 | amiconn | min/max/default mAh should be set by model |
| 00:05:42 | midkay | hm, that sounds like a good idea, i'll do that i think.. |
| 00:06:47 | amiconn | The ticks have an amplitude of ~8mV at 124MHz with cvs and reduction disabled |
| 00:07:10 | amiconn | The signal looks quite noise though at max. inpu amplification of my scope |
| 00:07:37 | |Unknown| | where do I download pacbox? |
| 00:08:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: All plugins are included. For instructions on how to use them, go to their page in the wiki for example PluginPacbox |
| 00:08:30 | amiconn | The amplitude doesn't change at all with reduction, the signal is just 'smeared' |
| 00:08:48 | lostlogic | amiconn: then we'll need an algorithm to calculate the other percentages than 100 and 0 |
| 00:09:12 | amiconn | Why? |
| 00:09:19 | amiconn | They can be precalculated... |
| 00:09:26 | amiconn | ...as they are now |
| 00:09:53 | lostlogic | then they need to be calculated per target as well |
| 00:10:05 | lostlogic | not just per chemistry |
| 00:10:27 | |Unknown| | It says you need Midway Pacman rom |
| 00:10:59 | midkay | is there any way to distinguish between X5 and X5L? on-target or during compile? |
| 00:11:00 | lostlogic | |Unknown|: probably need to get a rom then. |
| 00:11:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Yes. Legally you should actually own the arcade cabinet and extract these roms yourself, so please do not ask where to get them |
| 00:11:15 | Moos | midkay: not yet I think |
| 00:11:34 | midkay | alright |
| 00:12:05 | Moos | because just batterie difference |
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| 00:13:16 | midkay | right. hm.. |
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| 00:19:31 | * | amiconn wonders whether a 'sliced update' in the background with intermediate yield()s would work even better for ticking reduction while avoiding CPU hogging at the same time |
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| 00:24:56 | preglow | amiconn: gcc people says a reduced testcase would be nice... |
| 00:25:01 | preglow | god, they're swift on the bugs |
| 00:25:15 | amiconn | Reduced testcase for what? |
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| 00:28:08 | amiconn | Hmm, the sliced update won't work that well |
| 00:28:40 | amiconn | ...but I have another idea |
| 00:28:46 | preglow | amiconn: the 64 bit gcc bug |
| 00:29:06 | amiconn | Ah, that one |
| 00:29:07 | preglow | the only reason why i'd ever want to hang around the gcc people in the first place |
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| 00:29:27 | amiconn | Well, I wouldn't know how to reduce that |
| 00:29:56 | amiconn | I have no full m68k-elf-gcc available for finding a test case |
| 00:30:07 | amiconn | It's already xgcc that vomits |
| 00:30:21 | preglow | well |
| 00:30:29 | amiconn | ..and the function it stumbles upon is tiny (!) |
| 00:30:34 | preglow | we could just reduce libgcc2.c |
| 00:30:47 | Moos | Mikachu: around? |
| 00:30:52 | amiconn | Did you have a look at the .i file I posed? |
| 00:30:56 | amiconn | *posted |
| 00:30:59 | preglow | i've got a feeling this patch will be stuck in limbo until some gcc dev actuaklly needs this |
| 00:31:05 | preglow | yes |
| 00:31:09 | preglow | but i doubt they did |
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| 00:31:25 | amiconn | I doubt this could be made much shorter |
| 00:31:34 | Mikachu | Moos: yes, why? |
| 00:31:46 | amiconn | Well, why do they want the .i when they don't take a look at it?? |
| 00:31:51 | amiconn | That makes no sense |
| 00:32:04 | sayocean | how doo i get out of osciloscope? |
| 00:32:39 | goffa_ | on my x5 you have to hit the power button momentarily |
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| 00:32:59 | sayocean | shit |
| 00:33:00 | sayocean | lol |
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| 00:33:07 | Moos | Mikachu: hi, you mentioned playlist insert wasn't bugy for you, right? |
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| 00:33:26 | Mikachu | Moos: i said it was buggy, but only with a change i made :) |
| 00:33:37 | Moos | oh,ok |
| 00:33:52 | lostlogic | apparently it's buggy without that change too |
| 00:33:55 | Moos | can you try one thing with clean cvs? |
| 00:33:56 | Mikachu | oh |
| 00:33:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: He doesn't mean "turn it off" |
| 00:34:20 | amiconn | sayocean: what target? |
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| 00:34:58 | bananafon | paul |
| 00:35:06 | bananafon | how do i get out of plugins? (this is sayocean) |
| 00:35:16 | Moos | Mikachu: try this: insert one song "from scratch", let' it play a bit, and stop it. After this reinsert one song. |
| 00:35:47 | Moos | Mikachu: here when I do this I've got always, no playback with wps screen freezed |
| 00:35:54 | amiconn | bananafon: [00:33:41] <amiconn> sayocean: what target? |
| 00:36:00 | Moos | Mikachu: can you reproduce this? |
| 00:36:17 | Mikachu | Moos: how do you empty the playlist? |
| 00:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | bananafon: Often it's Menu+Select |
| 00:36:37 | bananafon | target? |
| 00:36:46 | preglow | amiconn: what, have you trimmed that file? |
| 00:36:47 | bananafon | oh there we go |
| 00:36:49 | bananafon | thanks paul |
| 00:36:58 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm? |
| 00:37:03 | preglow | amiconn: the .i file |
| 00:37:06 | Moos | Mikachu: just playlist with the unique song you inserted, and then stop it and retry with other song... |
| 00:37:25 | amiconn | The .i is the preprocessor output. It simply is much shorter than the original .c |
| 00:37:41 | amiconn | (lots of stuff #ifdefed away for m68k) |
| 00:38:03 | Mikachu | Moos: by stop, do you mean stop or pause? |
| 00:38:14 | Moos | stop it completly |
| 00:38:22 | Mikachu | so the icon is a black square in the status bar? |
| 00:38:25 | Moos | and insert the same or one other song |
| 00:38:47 | Moos | Mikachu: yeah |
| 00:38:52 | preglow | amiconn: i see |
| 00:39:00 | preglow | i'll badger them a bit more, then |
| 00:39:06 | Mikachu | Moos: that seems to work here |
| 00:39:14 | Mikachu | Moos: and i doubt i did anything that would fix a bug in clean cvs |
| 00:39:26 | bananafon | so doom works nicely on th eipod |
| 00:39:27 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 00:39:54 | Moos | Mikachu: maybe setting specific, I'try reseting settings then |
| 00:39:58 | Lambo | doom doesn't work on my 5g iPod :/ |
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| 00:40:18 | bananafon | u go under plugin? |
| 00:40:42 | Mikachu | OH |
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| 00:40:50 | Moos | ? |
| 00:40:51 | Mikachu | if you stop playback and insert a song, it clears the old playlist |
| 00:41:01 | Mikachu | i've wondered how to do that forever, but nobody's ever told me |
| 00:41:02 | Moos | yep of course |
| 00:41:09 | Mikachu | why would that be of course? |
| 00:41:12 | Lambo | I get CRBRICK not found |
| 00:41:13 | Lambo | :/ |
| 00:41:23 | Mikachu | i would expect playing state and playlist management to have NOTHING to do with eachother |
| 00:41:28 | ashridah | Lambo: did you include the rockdoom.wad file? |
| 00:41:32 | Lambo | yes |
| 00:41:34 | Moos | Mikachu: I always play tunes like this way, nut insert directories ans shuffle them : ) |
| 00:41:40 | ashridah | and, of course, a doom1/doom2.wad ? |
| 00:41:43 | Lambo | yes |
| 00:42:06 | Mikachu | Moos: does it happen every time for you? |
| 00:42:17 | preglow | amiconn: did you take a look at the combine.c code in gcc that fails? |
| 00:42:25 | Moos | Mikachu: yep, I trying with seeting defaults |
| 00:42:42 | Mikachu | Moos: i get it sitting at 0:00 while saying Playing sometimes |
| 00:42:48 | Mikachu | but pausing/playing starts playback |
| 00:42:51 | ashridah | wtf. |
| 00:42:53 | ashridah | okay., |
| 00:42:57 | * | Lambo sticks ipod into disk mode and fiddles with files |
| 00:42:57 | ashridah | i just renamed a directory |
| 00:43:04 | ashridah | it said "rename failed" |
| 00:43:05 | ashridah | and worked anyway |
| 00:43:05 | Mikachu | also, scrolling text is busted |
| 00:43:26 | ashridah | (didnt' update the screen until i'd tried to enter the old directory name, at which point, it changed to the new directory name) |
| 00:43:29 | ashridah | o.O |
| 00:43:53 | Moos | Mikachu: definitively seetings specific, when rest seeting isn't the bug |
| 00:44:17 | Moos | Mikachu: I'll try to spot which one caused this for lostlogic |
| 00:44:33 | amiconn | preglow: nope |
| 00:44:40 | preglow | i'm taking a look at it now |
| 00:44:45 | preglow | seems to be a sign extension bug indeed |
| 00:44:47 | preglow | not very surprising |
| 00:45:28 | Moos | Mikachu: yeah sitting at 00:00 here too, but no playback and all the WPS screen freezed (progress bar...) |
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| 00:47:08 | Lambo | ashridah, never had my problem before? :/ |
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| 00:49:14 | Mikachu | Moos: does it start if you pause/play? |
| 00:50:34 | Moos | with my problematics seetings, when I stop and start any song again, no playback in any ways and WPS screen freezed, but I can stop the tune anyway |
| 00:50:50 | Moos | but no song, need to reboot |
| 00:50:55 | Moos | sound |
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| 00:52:54 | preglow | gragh |
| 00:53:04 | preglow | wading through tons of tons of bloody compiler code |
| 00:53:05 | preglow | great fun |
| 00:53:11 | preglow | the code snippet is very, very easy |
| 00:53:20 | Moos | Mikachu, lostlogic: ok, I've got it, it seems to be crossfade |
| 00:53:27 | preglow | but with nested macros deep enough to sicken a goat |
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| 00:55:11 | Moos | Mikachu: can you try with crossfade on? |
| 00:55:48 | Moos | here buguish all the time when crossfade one (in the way I described) |
| 00:56:19 | lostlogic | damn, made it this far without modifying the codec_api, but the time has come. |
| 00:59:05 | Lambo | !! |
| 00:59:07 | Lambo | finally |
| 00:59:09 | Lambo | doom laoded |
| 00:59:10 | Lambo | loaded |
| 00:59:18 | preglow | amiconn: apparently, most people don't care about m68k gcc anymore since it's become an embedded target |
| 00:59:32 | preglow | lostlogic: oh, what needs to be done? |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:22 | lostlogic | I need to add a discard_codec function, because currently there is no 'correct' way to tell when the codec thread has actually loaded the codec from the buffer, so it's kinda just assumed tob e there until it is semi-randomly discarded by the buffer fill, which is among the several reasons that skipping is unreliable. |
| 01:02:27 | preglow | why'd it work before? :> |
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| 01:02:59 | lostlogic | it wouldn't have if you skipped back a track at just the right moment during buffer fill |
| 01:03:36 | lostlogic | And that kind of "it works by magic" logic is why I'm in this code int he first place. |
| 01:04:45 | * | amiconn needs to get his head around the 'noise ramp up/ramp down' logic |
| 01:05:04 | preglow | lostlogic: but sure, you just go do what you need to do |
| 01:07:09 | amiconn | lostlogic: It seems to really make sense to handle the codecs the same way as ordinary buffer content - tell the audio thread when they are consumed |
| 01:07:32 | lostlogic | amiconn: exactly, which is why I added this callback |
| 01:08:02 | amiconn | One difference is probably that it causes audiobuffer content to be consumed out of sequence |
| 01:08:19 | lostlogic | amiconn: not at all, the codec is by definition consumed between songs |
| 01:08:42 | amiconn | Okay, even better |
| 01:09:35 | amiconn | When you got the codec handling in, handling metadata in-buffer is probably the same thing... |
| 01:10:28 | lostlogic | yep, probably add the reading of the metadata to the codec_thread loop, to ensure linear consumption of the buffer, and bang-zoom |
| 01:11:43 | preglow | straight to the moon! |
| 01:12:19 | ashridah | * preglow is now known as morty |
| 01:12:34 | ashridah | (if i remember those cartoons right) |
| 01:13:25 | dpassen1 | I thought it was Ralph from the Honeymooners |
| 01:13:32 | preglow | it is |
| 01:13:44 | preglow | never saw it, but it gets referenced everywhere,heh |
| 01:14:34 | goffa_ | yeah.. honeymooners it was |
| 01:15:04 | ashridah | heh, i was thinking of one of those looney tunes cartoons. |
| 01:15:09 | * | ashridah stands corrected |
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| 01:16:42 | lostlogic | gah, all of my logfs look great, the codec gets loaded, the track changes, it detects that the codec needs swapping out, the old codec stops, but then it says to me that the codec slot is empty. w.t.f. |
| 01:16:58 | ashridah | heh |
| 01:19:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:24:58 | ashridah | hm. |
| 01:25:06 | ashridah | preglow: did your crossfeed patch make it into cvs? |
| 01:25:20 | preglow | ashridah: ah, no, i'll have it in tomorrow |
| 01:25:21 | midkay | we want crossfeed v2 !!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:25:24 | midkay | waaa. |
| 01:25:26 | preglow | i'll be gone for a little while after that |
| 01:25:35 | ashridah | that explains why i wasn't deafened just then :) |
| 01:25:37 | Mikachu | the commit and run |
| 01:25:45 | midkay | hahaha |
| 01:25:59 | Mikachu | midkay: i think i made a better fix for the playlist viewer thing |
| 01:26:20 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5087 |
| 01:26:22 | midkay | Mikachu, i _just_ noticed and had a look at the code.. |
| 01:26:25 | Mikachu | ah |
| 01:26:49 | midkay | hm.. ugliness :) |
| 01:26:56 | Mikachu | look 10 lines up in the same file |
| 01:26:57 | Mikachu | :) |
| 01:27:16 | midkay | let me finish my quickscreen work and i'll get to your patch :) |
| 01:27:30 | Mikachu | sure |
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| 01:28:35 | preglow | amiconn: i give up, i can't wade through this source anymore |
| 01:31:09 | lostlogic | HAH! a remnant of the old "random" buffer clearing! |
| 01:31:51 | midkay | lostlogic, hm, i think all this playback work is screwing with your mind.. maybe you should stop now while you're still partially in control of yourself. |
| 01:32:06 | lostlogic | naw, it's just getting interesting |
| 01:32:24 | * | midkay prays that we don't lose him before playback works again |
| 01:32:34 | lostlogic | if this works then a few more things to hunt down in back skipping and I can commit my biggest single patch of the process :) |
| 01:32:53 | midkay | please, please.. let him finish.. :) |
| 01:33:24 | lostlogic | :-P +249, -244 lines |
| 01:33:46 | midkay | someone's obviously out to bloat the source.. |
| 01:33:55 | lostlogic | I add comments |
| 01:34:02 | midkay | suuure.. bloater.. |
| 01:34:05 | lostlogic | :) |
| 01:34:09 | midkay | :P) |
| 01:34:12 | midkay | hm. |
| 01:34:22 | midkay | aaaaa!!! |
| 01:34:28 | lostlogic | overall since revision 1.226, not counting comments, I'm down 603 and up 552 |
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| 01:35:08 | midkay | you can't squirm your way out of such accusations with your technical mumbo jumbo. you're a code bloater! |
| 01:35:27 | lostlogic | yes, you're right |
| 01:35:40 | midkay | just kidding! ha, i had you fooled. :) |
| 01:35:53 | lostlogic | bagh, back skipping still leads to much insanity. |
| 01:36:11 | midkay | sux.. well, i'm sure you can handle it.. :) |
| 01:36:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clearly back skipping should just be disabled |
| 01:36:53 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: that's right, it's just scope creep to include it :) |
| 01:37:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, well, for safety i was thinking that disabling any and all seeking/skipping should be avoided. |
| 01:37:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | C'mon, removing back skipping will surely help reduce binary size, resolve outstanding bugs, and increase the overall stability of the project. |
| 01:37:31 | midkay | pause could be problematic, so that might need commenting-out too. in fact.. maybe we should just not allow audio playback at all for 3.0, until it's working better. |
| 01:37:46 | midkay | the "todo" for 3.1 could be "make audio work"! |
| 01:37:53 | preglow | who cares anyway |
| 01:37:56 | preglow | we have doom now |
| 01:38:02 | midkay | yeah, seriously. |
| 01:38:26 | midkay | bbi 1h! |
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| 01:38:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Considering the ratio of "How do I get doom to work?" posts to "Hey, audio's funky with these new builds" posts in the iPod forum... |
| 01:38:54 | Mikachu | at least you're attracting some attention to the project |
| 01:39:06 | Mikachu | you're = it's |
| 01:39:31 | Mikachu | doom is why i installed ipl in the first place :) |
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| 01:41:58 | goffa_ | lol.. rockbox.. you can't play music... but you can play doom.. sound like a slogan to me ;) |
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| 01:47:49 | * | XavierGr drools over the idea of 2 player mode in Doom using the USBOTG on H300!!!! |
| 01:49:30 | Mikachu | why not using the remote!!! |
| 01:49:55 | goffa_ | i think pong should have a 1 player mode |
| 01:49:59 | XavierGr | Doom on the remote screen? You stretched this too far! :P |
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| 01:50:20 | goffa_ | lol.. i can see it now... lan doom on a usb hub |
| 01:50:30 | XavierGr | hehe |
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| 01:51:28 | * | Paul_The_Nerd still thinks there should be a modem feature for transmitting data between players across line-out / line-in, if we're going to get into the patently unlikely. |
| 01:53:31 | Mikachu | why not wireless gaming with the piezo and a microphone? |
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| 01:54:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, see, now that I like |
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| 01:55:15 | Mikachu | it will be the DS killer |
| 01:55:17 | * | preglow kicks gcc |
| 01:55:47 | preglow | flaming piece of shit |
| 01:56:04 | adamdullenty | that's almost as stupid as the "omg let's build a video out module for the H300!!!" ... you're just building a video player :S and the iRiver itself is reduced to merely a storage device. |
| 01:56:07 | adamdullenty | just use something else, lol |
| 01:56:29 | Mikachu | there is a small possibility that we were joking |
| 01:56:36 | adamdullenty | haha, I do realise ;_ |
| 01:56:38 | adamdullenty | *;) |
| 01:56:51 | maeck | Oh man, that was just the thing I was waiting for |
| 01:59:40 | Moos | Glory for Rockbox ! |
| 01:59:42 | Moos | : ) |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:51 | adamdullenty | :) |
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| 02:01:06 | adamdullenty | sorry, I had to dash off earlier - but could someone explain what a "short name" is |
| 02:01:19 | adamdullenty | apparently windows not understanding them is the cause of this error i'm currently experiencing: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40068 |
| 02:01:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | adamdullenty: Are you using a bleeding edge build? |
| 02:01:37 | adamdullenty | nope... |
| 02:01:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I understood that problem had been resolved. |
| 02:01:47 | adamdullenty | yep someone told me how to fix it earlier |
| 02:01:50 | Moos | isn't suposed to be fixed by petur? |
| 02:01:53 | adamdullenty | I was just wondering what a short name is :) |
| 02:02:08 | adamdullenty | out of interest |
| 02:02:22 | adamdullenty | all the filenames seem different to me in rockbox file view |
| 02:02:28 | Moos | go download bleeding edge build ! |
| 02:02:30 | Moos | : ) |
| 02:02:56 | adamdullenty | haha, aren't they more buggy than the daily builds? |
| 02:03:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, a short name is the 8.3 format name that you sometimes see. 8-character name, so if you have two files ABCDEFGHI.bla and ABCDEFGHJ.bla, it would be ABCDEF~1.bla and ABCDEF~2.bla, or should be? |
| 02:03:17 | Moos | that will be the tommorrow daily build :) |
| 02:03:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do people think the bleeding edge is more buggy than the daily? |
| 02:03:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | All the daily is, is a repeat of the most recent bleeding edge before it... |
| 02:03:54 | Moos | Paul: mythe |
| 02:03:58 | lostlogic | whee, back skipping causes tracks to skip in seemling random sequence for a seemingly random amount of time until it finds one it's happy about and plays it :) |
| 02:04:08 | lostlogic | FEATURE, NOT A BUG −− Rockbox AI |
| 02:04:17 | adamdullenty | because you'd expect if you're using a build which may just have had some code submitted, a second before you download it, to not have been checked... and a build for the end of the day to have been checked and de-bugged |
| 02:04:18 | Moos | Congrates ! |
| 02:04:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Moos: What? |
| 02:05:18 | Moos | one myth I meant |
| 02:05:31 | Moos | the bleeding edge build unstability |
| 02:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | adamdullenty: That doesn't make any sense though. I mean yes, there could be code that JUST got submitted before you download the bleeding. But it could also just get submitted before the daily. Code is constantly checked 24 hours, so the daily is basically just as checked as the bleeding. |
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| 02:06:37 | Moos | in 4 hours one daily build will be created : ) |
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| 02:06:53 | adamdullenty | ah. see that's where your problem is with people thinking the daily is more stable than the bleeding. as far as I can tell people automatically assume the reason for having a daily seperate to the bleeding edge would sensibly be that one is more thoroughly checked than the other |
| 02:07:11 | adamdullenty | it may be a wrong assumption but it's the one I made as a newbie, at least |
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| 02:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The daily really is just an archive made once per day so people can get the older versions. |
| 02:08:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some developers may try to wait until after the daily is built to submit code they're unsure of, but I at least don't see people *state* that they're doing that very often. |
| 02:08:04 | adamdullenty | perhaps that should be explained on the daily builds page :) |
| 02:08:18 | FlyingSaucrDude | This may be a stupid question, but...does anybody in here know if there's an easy way to make Rockbox properly read accented characters in m3u playlists on an iriver H120? (Or if this is a known bug, or if there's an easy way for me to find out if it is?) |
| 02:08:22 | adamdullenty | is it a wiki? |
| 02:08:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | adamdullenty: The build pages are not, I believe |
| 02:08:41 | adamdullenty | ah kk |
| 02:11:59 | FlyingSaucrDude | I guess I'll take that as a "No" then...oh well. |
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| 02:12:45 | adamdullenty | don't know, sorry. have you checked the bug tracker |
| 02:12:53 | adamdullenty | flypaper or whatever it's called |
| 02:13:31 | FlyingSaucrDude | Yeah...I didn't see anything |
| 02:14:04 | FlyingSaucrDude | But the last time I thought I had a bug, I checked there and didn't see anything, but came in here, was told it was a known bug, and a bleeding edge build fixed it :-) |
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| 02:15:19 | adamdullenty | aha :) I see |
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| 02:17:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | One solution is to just not have accented characters in your filenames. ;-) |
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| 02:17:53 | maeck | hmm, I seem not to get the scrollwheel create repeated keypresses in a plugin |
| 02:17:55 | XavierGr | time to hit the sack! |
| 02:17:58 | XavierGr | bye |
| 02:18:07 | maeck | anybody got some tips? |
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| 02:18:21 | maeck | seems to work for brickmania and the menu |
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| 02:23:44 | adamdullenty | I just read that the playback engine is being rewritten |
| 02:23:55 | sharpe | what if it is? |
| 02:23:58 | adamdullenty | is this complete or does anyone know if it has a target date |
| 02:24:00 | sharpe | huh? what if it is?! |
| 02:24:16 | adamdullenty | i'll.... beat you with a stick! |
| 02:24:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | adamdullenty: Target date is May 1st, really. |
| 02:24:19 | adamdullenty | it's a good stick |
| 02:24:27 | lostlogic | haha, where's our we don't estimate release dates topic!? |
| 02:24:41 | adamdullenty | lol sorry |
| 02:24:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, we actually *have* a release date at the moment. :) |
| 02:24:42 | lostlogic | I'll finish my work on the playback engine when it's done. |
| 02:24:57 | sharpe | lets have an acronym for everything the topic should be :D |
| 02:25:01 | adamdullenty | Was just wondering.... :) |
| 02:25:04 | lostlogic | not a moment earlier and not a moment later :) |
| 02:25:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | adamdullenty: You'll know it's done when you stop hearing about how horrible back skipping is every 30 minutes or so in here. |
| 02:25:50 | lostlogic | have I mentioned that back skipping is a nightmare with wings? It is. |
| 02:25:51 | adamdullenty | see if it was going to be ready tomorrow, wouldn't be worth me updating to a bleeding edge build tonight... could do it tomorrow. if it's a month off, obviously, it'd be worth updating now :) |
| 02:26:16 | lostlogic | adamdullenty: it kinda sorta mostly works now :) |
| 02:26:25 | adamdullenty | woo |
| 02:26:26 | adamdullenty | ! |
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| 02:26:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just don't try to go to the previous track. :-P |
| 02:26:38 | adamdullenty | hahaha |
| 02:26:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, really. |
| 02:26:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | The world will end. |
| 02:26:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Again |
| 02:27:05 | sharpe | you know how long it took us to fix it last time? |
| 02:27:07 | sharpe | gah... |
| 02:27:12 | sharpe | i don't want to think about it. |
| 02:27:12 | lostlogic | I'm considering committing it as it is, because the diff has gotten large, and it's about as good as it was, back is more broken, but forward is less broken. |
| 02:27:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | If forward is less broken, I'm all for it. |
| 02:27:54 | Mikachu | there's always cvs branch if you want to get some history for your own use |
| 02:28:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Down with back skippers! |
| 02:28:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Forward all the way! |
| 02:28:40 | adamdullenty | ah I never back skip anyway |
| 02:28:48 | preglow | anyone think of a reason why i shouldn't set default emac mode to fractional in the main thread? |
| 02:28:48 | adamdullenty | wouldn't want to be part of that shifty lot... ~_~ |
| 02:29:11 | adamdullenty | because of the dingbats |
| 02:29:14 | adamdullenty | they'll be angry |
| 02:29:15 | Mikachu | preglow: i have no idea what that means so i don't |
| 02:29:22 | Mikachu | can't |
| 02:29:34 | adamdullenty | neither do I but doesn't stop you being imaginitive :) |
| 02:29:54 | lostlogic | bagh, forward skipping still sometimes ends playback unexpectedly, so I guess I'll hold off. |
| 02:30:17 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I should setup git to store my local changes in, versioned |
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| 02:32:31 | adamdullenty | has rockbox on the H300 stopped trying to detect when you update firmware |
| 02:33:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | huh? |
| 02:33:16 | adamdullenty | you know when you update rockbox... |
| 02:33:23 | adamdullenty | and unplug the usb cable |
| 02:33:32 | adamdullenty | it pops up saying "Oooh a new version. restart?" |
| 02:33:38 | adamdullenty | [paraphrasing slightly there] |
| 02:33:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there a problem with that feature? |
| 02:33:47 | adamdullenty | has that been disabled? didn't do it just then |
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| 02:38:26 | preglow | but ok |
| 02:38:34 | preglow | think i've got crossfeed going ready for commit tomorrow now |
| 02:38:48 | Moos | Wee ! |
| 02:38:51 | Moos | : ) |
| 02:39:13 | Moos | something changes since your last patch? out of curiosity |
| 02:39:22 | Moos | *changed |
| 02:40:14 | adamdullenty | oh another question, does the channels selection menu work now? [ie being able to select "mono" output instead of "stereo" [mostly for when sharing headphones with someone]] |
| 02:40:53 | adamdullenty | could check myself but have left my headphones at work... dumdumdum |
| 02:41:06 | adamdullenty | that or lost them |
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| 02:42:47 | preglow | Moos: well, yeah, it works on h120 now |
| 02:43:36 | Moos | pretty close to commit it then? you'll make some people happy |
| 02:43:44 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/new_crossfeed.patch |
| 02:43:55 | preglow | just beware the settings might need to be reset if someone wants to test it |
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| 02:52:12 | Moos | preglow: I will, but time for sleep a bit here |
| 02:52:19 | Moos | Good night or day at all |
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| 02:55:07 | preglow | oh, it's definitely good night |
| 02:55:08 | preglow | later |
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| 03:40:11 | Ricky28269 | regarding ipod 5g, updating it to the newest firmware version will not affect rockbox or the special bootloader at all, correct? |
| 03:40:19 | Ricky28269 | *newest apple firmware |
| 03:40:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll overwrite the rockbox bootloader, I believe. |
| 03:40:49 | Ricky28269 | and then i just reinstall the bootloader? |
| 03:42:02 | Ricky28269 | k well i'm kinda in a hurry, i'll just reinstall the bootloader after it updates... bye, thanks for the quick response to my first question :) |
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| 03:53:22 | Ricky28269 | sometimes my ipod 5g won't load original firmware when i hold menu as it starts up: is the bootloader buggy? |
| 03:53:45 | Mikachu | you have to get a knack for it |
| 03:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've never had a problem. You're probably just not quite getting the timing right. |
| 03:53:53 | Ricky28269 | ok |
| 03:54:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though if you aren't precise with your finger, you can trigger scroll events and that'll mess up the detection |
| 03:54:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or so I've been told |
| 03:54:09 | Mikachu | it's like jumping to the left of the spikes near the start of the second level in sonic 1 |
| 03:54:13 | Ricky28269 | hmm.... ok lol |
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| 03:54:36 | Ricky28269 | thanks again! |
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| 03:54:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now that was an odd comparison. |
| 03:55:20 | Mikachu | it takes a lot of tries at first, but then it's pretty easy |
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| 04:03:11 | Angel_of_Death | DUDE! WHO JUST WATCHED 24? |
| 04:04:51 | Mikachu | i'm guessing you did? |
| 04:05:18 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 04:05:19 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:05:28 | Mikachu | what do i win? |
| 04:05:45 | Angel_of_Death | a cookie? |
| 04:05:47 | sayocean | angel whats up ? |
| 04:05:51 | Angel_of_Death | hi |
| 04:05:54 | sayocean | i got doom to play :) |
| 04:05:54 | sayocean | pretty sweet |
| 04:05:56 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 04:06:00 | Angel_of_Death | guessing u got a good build? |
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| 04:06:13 | sayocean | bleeding edge from last nite/this morning |
| 04:06:38 | sayocean | the issues testers are reporting in this thread ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.0 ) are what im also getting |
| 04:06:50 | Angel_of_Death | whats bleeding edge? |
| 04:07:03 | sayocean | like the most current update or something |
| 04:07:07 | sayocean | i might be wrong |
| 04:07:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: There's a lot of different issues being reported there. |
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| 04:07:58 | sayocean | gotcha |
| 04:08:03 | Angel_of_Death | so |
| 04:08:07 | Angel_of_Death | bleeding edge is just a term? |
| 04:08:15 | Mikachu | yes, it doesn't actually bleed |
| 04:08:22 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:09:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine does. There's a patch for that. ;-) |
| 04:11:01 | lostlogic | I need opinions on a buffer filling matter, which is rather complex. Do any of you have opinions? |
| 04:11:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have an opinion. |
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| 04:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have three, actually |
| 04:11:49 | Mikachu | i don't like onions |
| 04:12:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I will gladly offer any non-expert opinion I can. |
| 04:12:50 | sayocean | [21:10] <Paul_The_Nerd> Mine does. There's a patch for that. ;-) |
| 04:12:51 | sayocean | HAHAHAH |
| 04:12:52 | lostlogic | When the compressed codec buffer runs empty, a refill is initiated, and at this time, the currently playing track's data is dropped off of the buffer up-to the currently playing point. As long as buffer fill continues, should this current-track data point be updated (basically allowing the buffer to fill right up to the playing track's ass), or should the buffer fill just around to that initial point at which data was dropped? |
| 04:12:53 | sayocean | i love that |
| 04:13:24 | Mikachu | i think i have to draw a picture for that sentence |
| 04:13:57 | sayocean | hey paul |
| 04:13:57 | sayocean | got a question |
| 04:14:00 | lostlogic | The tradeoff is that if we constantly update the fill-end point, we get the most possible data onto the buffer, BUT ANY TIME we seek backwards during the buffer fill, or on the same track after the buffer fill, it will force a rebuffer. |
| 04:14:09 | sayocean | the older ipods, do they have recording capability via the phone jack ? |
| 04:14:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, I imagine that while dropping and filling up to the ass will improve the battery life, but I think sticking with the method that doesn't force the rebuffer will probably help keep things simpler (and thus less likely for bugs to work in) no? |
| 04:14:56 | gursikh | man, I need a dap with a phone jack.... |
| 04:15:12 | sayocean | lol gursikh |
| 04:15:13 | sayocean | funny guy |
| 04:15:27 | gursikh | :-) |
| 04:15:30 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: honestly, it's a matter of moving a block of code up or down about 4 lines... |
| 04:15:31 | sayocean | if you didnt understand that "phone jack" = "headphone jack" ... lol |
| 04:15:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: not in rockbox. |
| 04:15:40 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i think you want amiconn or something for that one :) |
| 04:15:52 | sayocean | but i dont understand.. how can the headphone jack of the ipod pick up sound and record it ? |
| 04:15:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I really think that seeking within the current song should never require a rebuffer, but that's my personal opinion |
| 04:16:09 | Mikachu | sayocean: a speaker and a microphone is the same thing |
| 04:16:11 | sayocean | do you have to plug in an external recorder? |
| 04:16:20 | ze | Mikachu: unless its a condensor mic |
| 04:16:25 | sayocean | hmm |
| 04:16:34 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: well I'm not quite willing to go that far, but I'll move the block of code down 4 lines so that it doesn't _always_ require a rebuffer to seek back during buffer fill. |
| 04:16:37 | Mikachu | yeah maybe they don't make great speakers |
| 04:16:37 | sayocean | so you dont need an external mic |
| 04:16:43 | Mikachu | but from an electrical point of view |
| 04:16:51 | Mikachu | and headphones are probably not so good to record with either |
| 04:17:15 | ze | i suppose its maybe possible for a condensor mic to work as a speaker |
| 04:17:20 | ze | i've heard of condensor headphones |
| 04:17:28 | ze | but it requires some special wiring at least |
| 04:17:30 | ze | heh |
| 04:17:43 | ze | unless maybe its electret |
| 04:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Hehehe. I suppose the drive *is* already spun up at that point anyway, so actually I guess I could go either way on that issue. =/ |
| 04:18:09 | sayocean | http://ipodlinux.org/Recording |
| 04:18:40 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: exactly, hence the opinion, and not an obvious "right way"\ |
| 04:18:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Because the headphone jack is probably also wired as a line in. |
| 04:19:19 | sayocean | damn im confused |
| 04:19:33 | sayocean | so a standalone ipod (4g) can record with ipodlinux |
| 04:19:45 | sayocean | no need for a microphone to be inserted into the headphone jack |
| 04:19:45 | Mikachu | sayocean: you'll be happy to know the jack also can be a video out on video ipods |
| 04:20:11 | carini | lostlogic: I think seeking back in the track is much less common than not seeking, so optimize for the common case and fill the buffer as far as you can. |
| 04:20:29 | sayocean | mikachu |
| 04:20:37 | Mikachu | sayocean: you need a microphone to record though |
| 04:20:41 | Mikachu | i don't think it has a builtin one |
| 04:20:42 | sayocean | oh ok |
| 04:20:42 | lostlogic | carini: damned conflicting opinions! |
| 04:20:53 | lostlogic | carini: thanks, I'll leave it an open issue for now, like I said, it's easy to adjust. |
| 04:20:57 | sayocean | so you eithe rhave to make one or buy one |
| 04:21:04 | Mikachu | lostlogic: is this a situation that occurs just after having seeked forward? |
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| 04:21:38 | carini | Mikachu: That's a good question! |
| 04:21:44 | Angel_of_Death | alright help is required |
| 04:21:51 | lostlogic | Mikachu: for that matter... I pretty much hafta do it the way paul initially said or ab will suck heavily if you trigger it on an area that is not entirely buffered. |
| 04:22:16 | lostlogic | Mikachu: as for the seeking forward query... it will happen whenever the buffer is filling |
| 04:22:21 | sayocean | anyone had podzilla on their ipods? |
| 04:22:24 | sayocean | 5G ? |
| 04:22:37 | Mikachu | i just thought that if you seek forward, you might be likely to seek backward a tiny bit just after |
| 04:22:45 | sayocean | 4. Record via Line In a microphone or even use your headphones. |
| 04:22:59 | sayocean | wtf????? youre headphones can pick up audio and act as a microphone??!?!?! |
| 04:23:02 | Angel_of_Death | i play doom on my iPod for reasons i do not know, and i downloaded some wad files or "lvls" for it, but when i select them via doom on 5g and i hit play game it comes up with like 278 errors of missing textures and so on |
| 04:23:06 | lostlogic | Mikachu: ah, well yes, that would be likely to trigger a rebuffer. |
| 04:23:09 | Angel_of_Death | yes sayocean |
| 04:23:23 | Angel_of_Death | plug headphones into the mic jack on ur computer |
| 04:23:24 | sayocean | that is sweet |
| 04:23:25 | lostlogic | rebuffers are expensive so I think it's worth not filling up some of the buffer to avoid them, now that I think about it. |
| 04:23:32 | sayocean | lol |
| 04:23:36 | sayocean | true angle |
| 04:23:37 | sayocean | angel |
| 04:23:39 | sayocean | ima try that now |
| 04:23:41 | Angel_of_Death | and open up sound recorder |
| 04:23:46 | Angel_of_Death | record something and play it back |
| 04:23:47 | Mikachu | lostlogic: if you seek forward within the buffer, do you immediately discard the buffer between where you were and the new point, or does it stay in until it wraps back to that point? |
| 04:23:56 | Angel_of_Death | i used headphones for a few days on counter-strike before i got a mic |
| 04:24:10 | Angel_of_Death | u sound like shit but they can get weather ur saying ALPHA OR BRAVO |
| 04:24:31 | Angel_of_Death | so any1 have some answers on my question? |
| 04:24:57 | Mikachu | maybe the addon isn't compatible then, who knows |
| 04:24:57 | sayocean | hmm |
| 04:25:00 | Mikachu | try another one |
| 04:25:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: You didn't actually ask a question, but yeah it's probably an incompatible addon. |
| 04:25:24 | Angel_of_Death | well i downloaded more than one |
| 04:25:28 | Angel_of_Death | like 8 |
| 04:25:32 | Angel_of_Death | and none of them worked |
| 04:25:34 | sayocean | omg |
| 04:25:36 | sayocean | it does work lol |
| 04:25:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Are you sure you're using them with the right base wad? |
| 04:25:49 | Angel_of_Death | and they said they worked lol.. got the link directly from rockbox.org |
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| 04:26:03 | lostlogic | Mikachu: it is marked as free, but it is not overwritten and can still be seeked back to until it is overwritten. |
| 04:26:06 | Angel_of_Death | i dont know where to get other base wads, so no |
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| 04:26:16 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 04:26:18 | Mikachu | lostlogic: ah okay, that was the case i was thinking about |
| 04:26:21 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, if i remeber its only the right one tho? |
| 04:27:06 | sayocean | left one |
| 04:27:11 | sayocean | ok |
| 04:27:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: most of them want Doom 2 probably |
| 04:27:20 | sayocean | im reallly really tempted to hit up IpodLinux on my 5G lol |
| 04:27:26 | sayocean | just for the recording capa |
| 04:27:38 | Angel_of_Death | you can have iPod linux and rockbox if u want |
| 04:27:48 | Angel_of_Death | but also with IL its not *released for iPod* |
| 04:27:53 | Angel_of_Death | u can just get builds |
| 04:28:01 | sayocean | damn |
| 04:28:04 | sayocean | dilemma.... |
| 04:28:05 | sayocean | lol |
| 04:28:07 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 04:28:08 | sayocean | i dont know if its gonna work on 5G |
| 04:28:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well technically Rockbox isn't "released" for iPod yet either |
| 04:28:13 | Angel_of_Death | i had similar thoughts yesterday |
| 04:28:19 | Angel_of_Death | i know thats what i said paul |
| 04:28:29 | sayocean | but ive seen a video |
| 04:28:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said IL isn't released... |
| 04:28:36 | sayocean | of someone with ipl loader |
| 04:28:38 | sayocean | etc |
| 04:28:39 | Angel_of_Death | i said also |
| 04:28:41 | sayocean | on their video ipod |
| 04:28:41 | Angel_of_Death | i meant like |
| 04:28:42 | Angel_of_Death | shut up |
| 04:28:43 | Angel_of_Death | i meant that lol |
| 04:28:52 | Angel_of_Death | well my friend has a 5g |
| 04:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well clearly I can only read what you type. |
| 04:28:55 | Angel_of_Death | and he has IL on it |
| 04:29:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | My mind reading powers are not yet THAT well developed |
| 04:29:07 | sayocean | does he have ipod linux? |
| 04:29:10 | Angel_of_Death | better go meditate |
| 04:29:17 | Angel_of_Death | IL is ipodlinux |
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| 04:29:24 | sayocean | oh ok |
| 04:29:29 | Angel_of_Death | *wink* |
| 04:29:35 | sayocean | cause the recording capability is awesome |
| 04:29:43 | Angel_of_Death | i dont know how often i would use it |
| 04:30:10 | sayocean | that is pretty crazy how ur headphone can also record sound lol |
| 04:30:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you wanted recording why didn't you just buy a DAP that supported recording? |
| 04:30:50 | sayocean | honestly |
| 04:30:51 | sayocean | ive had |
| 04:30:53 | sayocean | the zen micro |
| 04:30:58 | sayocean | and philips hdd 120 |
| 04:31:01 | sayocean | they both had recording |
| 04:31:08 | Angel_of_Death | mic and speaker are very very similar in there dynamics |
| 04:31:14 | sayocean | but besides that feature, they dont care to the ipod |
| 04:31:40 | Mikachu | compare? |
| 04:31:43 | Angel_of_Death | iPod is an amazing device as far as ive seen, the only hinders it has it was apple has done it it |
| 04:31:51 | Angel_of_Death | to it* |
| 04:32:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah but there are plenty of DAPs that are better than the iPod, and have recording as well. |
| 04:32:13 | Angel_of_Death | yep |
| 04:32:14 | Angel_of_Death | there are |
| 04:32:16 | sayocean | angel |
| 04:32:20 | sayocean | and paul |
| 04:32:22 | Angel_of_Death | but i didnt get one because i wanted to be trendy :P |
| 04:32:28 | sayocean | i think im gonna hit up IPL on my 5G tonite heh |
| 04:32:28 | Angel_of_Death | lol thats what my brother tells me anyways |
| 04:32:32 | sayocean | same here man |
| 04:32:37 | sayocean | all about the aesthetics |
| 04:32:40 | Angel_of_Death | and i like the nevigation lol |
| 04:32:45 | sayocean | NO dap beats the ipod in the way it looks |
| 04:32:47 | * | Mikachu points and laughs |
| 04:32:51 | Angel_of_Death | my friend has a dell DJ |
| 04:33:02 | Angel_of_Death | and i liked that u could rename stuff and all that junk |
| 04:33:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd personally likes the way his H120 looks more than the way his iPod looks. |
| 04:33:08 | Angel_of_Death | but i still liked my iPod better |
| 04:33:23 | Angel_of_Death | now my iPod can do all of that and the only thing that bothers me is this screen made of i dont know nothing? |
| 04:33:27 | * | Paul_The_Nerd would also never pick form over function. |
| 04:33:31 | Angel_of_Death | i mean cmon air scracthes it |
| 04:33:35 | * | |Josh| would |
| 04:34:04 | |Josh| | I love how the iPod looks. :P The iRiver was tempting, but in the end I just thought it looked too ugly -.- |
| 04:34:10 | Angel_of_Death | cause its a shame to cover the sleek design of the iPod up with a big ugly case |
| 04:34:26 | |Josh| | Yeah, thats why I have a BSE |
| 04:34:39 | |Josh| | semi-invisible.. and protects from scratches decently well |
| 04:34:41 | Angel_of_Death | well i had a 4g iPod and had no problems with the screen |
| 04:34:42 | |Josh| | no bulk. |
| 04:34:46 | Galois | well I think ipod video is a clear case of form over function, but ipod nano is quite different |
| 04:34:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only time it would matter how your DAP looks is if you're actually *trying* to show it off, and then it's just vanity |
| 04:35:01 | Angel_of_Death | i used to keep it in my backpack with paper clips and pens and it had very few scracthes |
| 04:35:09 | Angel_of_Death | my 5g, i treat it like a baby and it has plenty |
| 04:35:16 | Galois | there are no other 4GB flash players on the market at that price |
| 04:35:26 | sayocean | has anyone in here ever installed IPL on their 5G ipods ?? |
| 04:35:34 | Lambo | i have |
| 04:35:40 | sayocean | how did it go? |
| 04:35:41 | Angel_of_Death | how did it work |
| 04:35:44 | Angel_of_Death | lo,l |
| 04:35:44 | sayocean | heh |
| 04:35:44 | Lambo | great |
| 04:35:50 | sayocean | do u still have it ? |
| 04:35:54 | Lambo | easy using that windows 5g tut |
| 04:35:54 | Angel_of_Death | hmm |
| 04:35:56 | Lambo | yeah |
| 04:36:00 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:36:10 | Angel_of_Death | i have a virtual machine of linux ooh! |
| 04:36:21 | |Josh| | I didn't buy my iPod to show it off.. I just like my stuff to look good |
| 04:36:23 | Lambo | I have an ubuntu live CD and a linux server <_< |
| 04:36:26 | |Josh| | also, I liked the clickwheel interface |
| 04:36:39 | sayocean | ah fuck it, i'll just wait for rockbox to (hopefully) have it |
| 04:36:41 | Angel_of_Death | brother has ubuntu cd's and linux server also |
| 04:36:47 | Angel_of_Death | lol roc_mm is his handle on here |
| 04:37:09 | Angel_of_Death | anyways |
| 04:37:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the point in valuing looks over features if you're the only person looking at it? |
| 04:37:16 | Angel_of_Death | josh i didnt buy my iPod to show it off |
| 04:37:22 | Angel_of_Death | but i knew if i bought anything else |
| 04:37:33 | sayocean | and plus i like the ipod's battery life |
| 04:37:34 | Angel_of_Death | i would always look at the iPod and wish mine lookedl ike it :P |
| 04:37:38 | Angel_of_Death | i just love the design |
| 04:37:55 | Angel_of_Death | mine lasts me thru the school day and thats it |
| 04:38:08 | sayocean | the FUGLIEST dap in the world = Archos |
| 04:38:12 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:38:23 | sayocean | no doubt about it |
| 04:38:28 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, because its nice to look at :P |
| 04:38:56 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, u play css? |
| 04:39:00 | sayocean | css? |
| 04:39:04 | Angel_of_Death | guess not |
| 04:39:06 | sayocean | i play MOHAA |
| 04:39:07 | Angel_of_Death | counter-strike source |
| 04:39:23 | sayocean | and a little bit of poker online |
| 04:39:24 | Angel_of_Death | i think im gonna put IPL on my ipod now |
| 04:39:32 | sayocean | angel, u have 5G right? |
| 04:39:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: I guess I just don't get why you buy an audio player to look at. |
| 04:39:36 | Angel_of_Death | yep |
| 04:39:43 | sayocean | how are you gonna go about doing that? |
| 04:39:47 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, me either, |
| 04:39:47 | sayocean | theres an installer out there correct? |
| 04:39:53 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, yes |
| 04:40:08 | Angel_of_Death | want me to grab u a link? |
| 04:40:11 | sayocean | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinuxinst/ |
| 04:40:12 | sayocean | this one? |
| 04:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: But you just admitted you did. |
| 04:40:22 | Angel_of_Death | no, im gettin from offical site |
| 04:40:26 | Galois | for some product categories looks are clearly important. I mean, if you're in the market for an LCD monitor, the whole point of a monitor is to look at it. |
| 04:40:38 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, i know i did.... i dont know why i just do lol |
| 04:40:44 | Galois | I don't think music players are quite to that extreme, but I can see some point to it |
| 04:40:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Well, in the case of an LCD, that qualifies as "functionality" |
| 04:40:49 | sayocean | angel, can u link me? |
| 04:40:55 | Angel_of_Death | yer |
| 04:40:56 | * | Lambo would be happy if the apple firmware allowed you to change the background color |
| 04:41:05 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:41:38 | webguest96 | does that installer linked up there work for 5g? |
| 04:41:39 | |Josh| | My points for buying an iPod over the other stuff: Video playback, huge screen size, clickwheel, price per GB, and looks. I would settle for a Toshiba or something else if it actually had the same functions I could get with the iPod. |
| 04:41:40 | Lambo | because it doesn't.. hello rockbox & ipl |
| 04:41:40 | Lambo | lol |
| 04:41:41 | Angel_of_Death | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation_:_iPod_with_video |
| 04:41:43 | |Josh| | I don't really need recording. |
| 04:41:53 | |Josh| | And with Rockbox.. audio playback is perfect :) |
| 04:41:55 | Lambo | http://ipodlinux.org/5g |
| 04:41:57 | Lambo | >_> |
| 04:42:09 | Angel_of_Death | toshibas run forever!! |
| 04:42:18 | sayocean | hmmm |
| 04:42:22 | Angel_of_Death | lol i just trashed mine about 2 months back |
| 04:42:23 | sayocean | wtf do i do now ? lol |
| 04:42:26 | Angel_of_Death | i had it since 92 |
| 04:42:28 | Lambo | i wish laptops or pda used the HD the iPod has |
| 04:42:28 | Lambo | lol |
| 04:42:29 | Angel_of_Death | go there |
| 04:42:34 | Angel_of_Death | scroll down to 5g |
| 04:42:43 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:43:21 | Angel_of_Death | dude, i video tutorial |
| 04:43:26 | |Josh| | is there any way of installing iPL without having to use CVS or anything else internet-related in Linux? |
| 04:43:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lambo: Why? A 2.5" drive is fine for a laptop... |
| 04:43:36 | sayocean | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7748 |
| 04:43:50 | Lambo | i meant.. for a pda |
| 04:43:51 | Lambo | lol |
| 04:43:51 | |Josh| | My dialup modem doesn't work in linux, so I have to have all the files I need already downloaded in Windows then copy them over.. |
| 04:43:58 | webguest96 | does that installer linked up there work for 5g? |
| 04:44:01 | lostlogic | w00t, I found one of the bugs in back skipping! |
| 04:44:08 | Lambo | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7748 <−− a good tut if you need it... |
| 04:44:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lambo: 30 or 60 gigs in a PDA seems overkill... At that point it's hardly a PDA any more. |
| 04:44:25 | Lambo | heh |
| 04:44:28 | Angel_of_Death | yeah really |
| 04:44:38 | Galois | I'm hoping in a few years that 60 gigs flash will be economical |
| 04:44:39 | Angel_of_Death | what the hell do u want to have on ur PDA..... dirty man |
| 04:44:39 | sayocean | damn angel lol |
| 04:44:43 | sayocean | that tutorial is LONG |
| 04:44:50 | sayocean | seems like it would take a good long time |
| 04:44:55 | * | Lambo pokes oqo and hides |
| 04:45:03 | Angel_of_Death | sssh!! ppl |
| 04:45:11 | Angel_of_Death | im hearing more system beeps than beets in this techno |
| 04:45:16 | Angel_of_Death | beats* |
| 04:45:40 | |Josh| | There has to be some way of installing IPL from Windows without rebooting into linux.. :/ |
| 04:45:41 | webguest96 | um... awesome? |
| 04:45:44 | Angel_of_Death | Using this tutorial will ERASE ALL OF YOUR MUSIC! Be sure your music is backed up! I am not responsible for any loss of data as well. I once reformatted my iPod with an English paper on it, making me lose an entire night rewriting it. LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE! |
| 04:45:48 | Lambo | my ipod beeps like a raving lunatic! |
| 04:45:50 | Angel_of_Death | make sure u read that say |
| 04:45:55 | Lambo | Angel_of_Death, it actually.. didn't |
| 04:45:59 | Lambo | when I used it |
| 04:46:05 | Angel_of_Death | oh |
| 04:46:05 | Angel_of_Death | ok |
| 04:46:10 | Angel_of_Death | well i backed up yesterday |
| 04:46:25 | Lambo | it also helps that I am not using all the space on my ipod |
| 04:46:25 | Lambo | lol |
| 04:46:29 | sayocean | ok im not doing it lol |
| 04:46:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Josh|: There doesn't have to be. |
| 04:46:36 | sayocean | i have 700 mb left on my hard drive |
| 04:46:40 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:46:44 | sayocean | and my ipod is carrying 53 gigs |
| 04:46:50 | Angel_of_Death | i have 4.3gb and on my second drive only 10 |
| 04:46:51 | sayocean | no way in hell im going to be able to back that ass up |
| 04:46:57 | Lambo | i'm using about 12gb on my 30gb |
| 04:46:57 | |Josh| | I mean.. all you need linux for is partitioning, correct? |
| 04:46:57 | Lambo | lol |
| 04:47:04 | Lambo | yeah |
| 04:47:10 | Lambo | and installing userland... |
| 04:47:13 | sayocean | plus i dont even have linux :\ |
| 04:47:16 | Angel_of_Death | im using alittle over half of my 30gb |
| 04:47:18 | Lambo | livecd |
| 04:47:23 | Angel_of_Death | run a virtual machine of linux |
| 04:47:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Josh|: Repartition, and format the new one as ext2, for which there aren't really good tools in windows, and the few tools I've found don't see iPods properly (at least my Nano) |
| 04:47:48 | Lambo | you alos need linux to see the ext2 filesystem.. inorder to install linux |
| 04:47:52 | Lambo | *also |
| 04:48:13 | Angel_of_Death | whatever i will have my brother install IPL |
| 04:48:17 | |Josh| | welll.. there is at least one software that lets you see ext2 filesystems in Windows (and write to them) |
| 04:48:38 | Lambo | i have a driver for that.. but my computer detects my ipod as a removable device |
| 04:48:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Josh|: Have you tried it? Does it actually *work* for you? |
| 04:48:48 | Lambo | and the driver only works for partitions on hardrives |
| 04:48:58 | |Josh| | it worked for my ubuntu partition, yeah |
| 04:49:10 | |Josh| | I don't have an ext2 partition on my ipod.. so haven't tried that yet |
| 04:49:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Josh|: I meant for your iPod. Notice that I *said* there were programs, that don't work well with iPods |
| 04:49:33 | Angel_of_Death | paul |
| 04:49:40 | Angel_of_Death | was it u who i was talking to about doom |
| 04:49:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about doom? |
| 04:50:07 | Angel_of_Death | that i wasnt using the right base files |
| 04:50:13 | Lambo | heh |
| 04:50:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't say you weren't. I asked if you were. |
| 04:50:31 | Angel_of_Death | yeah i said i didnt have them |
| 04:50:36 | Angel_of_Death | just the doom base |
| 04:50:44 | Angel_of_Death | where would i get them, have u seen any? |
| 04:50:51 | |Josh| | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you think I could install iPL using my rockbox vmware enviroment? |
| 04:51:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: You go to a store and pay $10 for the doom collection CD |
| 04:51:06 | |Josh| | Vmware does a nice job at bringing my internet connection over to linux.. |
| 04:51:20 | Angel_of_Death | yes same here |
| 04:51:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Josh|: Hell, give it a shot. It might work. |
| 04:51:21 | Lambo | or get freedom... |
| 04:51:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | freedoom |
| 04:51:32 | Angel_of_Death | i was at there site earlier today |
| 04:51:33 | Lambo | er |
| 04:51:34 | Lambo | yeah |
| 04:51:44 | Angel_of_Death | i dont remeber why i didnt |
| 04:51:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you name freedoom.wad Doom2.wad it'll work as the doom2 base wad. |
| 04:52:10 | Angel_of_Death | im so confused |
| 04:52:10 | Lambo | when i downloaded freedom.. it came as doom2.wad |
| 04:52:16 | Lambo | *freedoom |
| 04:52:17 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, if i bought the cd's how would that help? |
| 04:52:21 | webguest96 | as did mine |
| 04:52:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Because then you'd have the retail .wads? |
| 04:53:05 | Angel_of_Death | oh i expected the files on the cd's to be in a diff format |
| 04:53:29 | |Josh| | Alright.. I'm going to give it a shot with vmware.. |
| 04:53:40 | |Josh| | and if that doesn't work, I might as well try to download all the stuff and do it from ubuntu |
| 04:53:55 | Lambo | the ubuntu livecd is good |
| 04:53:57 | Angel_of_Death | josh_, i would think that would work |
| 04:54:02 | sayocean | angel |
| 04:54:06 | sayocean | doom on ipod is cool |
| 04:54:07 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, yeah? |
| 04:54:11 | sayocean | but the controls are awkward |
| 04:54:14 | Angel_of_Death | brings the old back to life |
| 04:54:14 | Lambo | it is >_> |
| 04:54:15 | sayocean | hard to run and shoot |
| 04:54:27 | Angel_of_Death | theres no strafe'ing |
| 04:54:30 | sayocean | and also |
| 04:54:33 | Angel_of_Death | and no back |
| 04:54:36 | Lambo | and no back.. |
| 04:54:37 | Angel_of_Death | but besides that its fine |
| 04:54:41 | josh_ | Angel_of_Death: huh? |
| 04:54:44 | sayocean | what i hate about it is when you stop for 2 seconds, the backlight goes off :\ |
| 04:54:52 | Angel_of_Death | josh_, wrong josh josh, sorry |
| 04:54:55 | josh_ | ah. |
| 04:55:04 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, put the backlight timer on longer |
| 04:55:08 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, i have mine on 4 |
| 04:55:13 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, or 5 |
| 04:55:23 | sayocean | yeh i figured thats on the only way around it |
| 04:55:24 | Lambo | sayocean, change the settings in rockbox.. or just run it from the usb cable.. with it set that backlight is always when connected >_> |
| 04:55:38 | sayocean | good solutions |
| 04:55:38 | Lambo | but that defeats the purpuse |
| 04:55:44 | |Josh| | Man.. every place I go there seems to be at least two other joshes |
| 04:55:45 | sayocean | haha yeh |
| 04:55:52 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:55:56 | | Nick sayocean is now known as J0sh (n=say@c-67-184-76-109.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:55:58 | J0sh | hi |
| 04:56:04 | Lambo | o.o |
| 04:56:05 | |Josh| | Last two forums I've signed up at.. always been a josh |
| 04:56:09 | | Nick J0sh is now known as sayocean (n=say@c-67-184-76-109.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:56:29 | Angel_of_Death | so who used freedoom? |
| 04:56:40 | |Josh| | one time, the admin was 'Josh', I signed up as 'Josh.'.. it had everyone confused. I eventually got him to change my username. :P |
| 04:56:45 | | Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 04:56:47 | sayocean | angel, i too LOVE how the ipod GUI looks |
| 04:56:56 | sayocean | only if it had features rockbox did |
| 04:57:00 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:57:04 | Angel_of_Death | well i fixed that :P |
| 04:57:11 | Lambo | ipod firmware needs themes! |
| 04:57:11 | sayocean | how so? |
| 04:57:17 | Angel_of_Death | lol jk |
| 04:57:32 | Angel_of_Death | i said i loved the way the Ipod looked. |
| 04:57:33 | sayocean | eh |
| 04:57:34 | sayocean | heh |
| 04:57:39 | |Josh| | Lambo: iPodwizard? |
| 04:57:52 | Lambo | ermm |
| 04:57:53 | Angel_of_Death | WHO HAS USED FREEDOOM!? |
| 04:57:54 | afruff23 | Does this WPS tag work for the X5? |
| 04:57:55 | afruff23 | %mh "h" if the main unit hold switch is on |
| 04:58:09 | Lambo | that doesn't allow you to change the background color of the apple firmware.. does it? |
| 04:58:10 | |Josh| | it lets you have themes for the apple firmware.. |
| 04:58:13 | |Josh| | nope |
| 04:58:18 | |Josh| | just the images |
| 04:58:25 | Lambo | then it isn't good for me |
| 04:58:26 | Lambo | heh |
| 04:58:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Sheesh, don't shout. |
| 04:58:29 | |Josh| | Yeah.. |
| 04:58:32 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 04:58:40 | Lambo | Angel_of_Death, sourceforge.net |
| 04:58:42 | |Josh| | that was one thing that I really missed too |
| 04:58:43 | Lambo | >_> |
| 04:58:48 | Angel_of_Death | i have the download lol |
| 04:58:57 | afruff23 | does the hold swtich for the X5 work as a hold switch? |
| 04:58:59 | Lambo | i have used freedom |
| 04:59:02 | Angel_of_Death | im just confused, can i use it with the doom that comes on rockbox? |
| 04:59:09 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs |
| 04:59:10 | Lambo | grr |
| 04:59:12 | Lambo | freedoom |
| 04:59:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | The doom that comes on Rockbox is the executable |
| 04:59:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Freedoom is the resource file |
| 04:59:19 | * | Lambo needs to get that right |
| 04:59:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Freedoom will work as a resource for any doom executable that can play Doom 2 |
| 04:59:49 | Lambo | like the half-life pwad |
| 04:59:53 | Angel_of_Death | ahhh |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:30 | Lambo | and in order for doom1.wad etc to work.. you need rockdoom.wad |
| 05:00:40 | Angel_of_Death | ok |
| 05:00:50 | Angel_of_Death | so doom2.wad will work with rockdoom also? |
| 05:00:53 | Lambo | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 05:00:55 | Lambo | yes |
| 05:01:05 | Angel_of_Death | how do i change between the 2? |
| 05:01:11 | Angel_of_Death | sorry for being so ignorant :P |
| 05:01:11 | afruff23 | %mh "h" if the main unit hold switch is on |
| 05:01:18 | afruff23 | will that work for the X5? |
| 05:01:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Have you even tried doom yet? There's a nice little menu that lets you pick which base game to use... |
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| 05:01:41 | sayocean | CLIFF HANGER!!!!! |
| 05:01:54 | Angel_of_Death | yes i have paul |
| 05:02:08 | sayocean | the BEST movie |
| 05:02:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then I would expect you have noticed the menu... |
| 05:02:16 | afruff23 | stallone? |
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| 05:02:20 | sayocean | oops, nevermind |
| 05:02:21 | sayocean | lol |
| 05:02:26 | sayocean | its ace ventura |
| 05:02:28 | Angel_of_Death | it was a few hours ago |
| 05:02:31 | Angel_of_Death | and i didnt make a note of it |
| 05:02:31 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 05:02:48 | |Josh| | Bootloader installed.. |
| 05:02:55 | sayocean | IPL ? |
| 05:02:57 | sayocean | or rockbox ? |
| 05:03:08 | Lambo | i'm going to assume ipl |
| 05:03:11 | |Josh| | ipl |
| 05:03:24 | |Josh| | now off to try vmware |
| 05:03:27 | afruff23 | does aybody knwo if the hold switch icon in the WPS will work for the iAudio X5? |
| 05:03:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: What's stopping you from just *trying* it? |
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| 05:03:57 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 05:04:11 | afruff23 | not with me now |
| 05:04:18 | Lambo | I have doom on my ipod because i can ! |
| 05:04:34 | Angel_of_Death | why else? |
| 05:04:45 | Angel_of_Death | i would never play doom on my pc |
| 05:04:48 | Angel_of_Death | but i would on my iPod |
| 05:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Again, why not just wait and try it? |
| 05:05:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why would you never play it on your PC? |
| 05:05:08 | afruff23 | because I'm designing something for it now |
| 05:05:35 | Angel_of_Death | because i beat it when it came out, and if i wana play an fps ill play a HL mod. |
| 05:05:47 | Angel_of_Death | but on the ipod, thats crazy, so im more intrested |
| 05:06:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: And it's so important that you'll repeat your question rather than just having the patience to try it out yourself? |
| 05:06:47 | webguest96 | is the hold switch not working in doom a common problem, or just me? |
| 05:07:05 | Angel_of_Death | hold switch as a menu button works fine for me with my 5g |
| 05:07:20 | Lambo | same here |
| 05:07:22 | webguest96 | just me then.... |
| 05:07:52 | Lambo | one thing I enjoy about rockbox.. it has a search function for music |
| 05:08:04 | Angel_of_Death | u just like one thing? :P |
| 05:08:11 | Lambo | many more |
| 05:08:11 | Lambo | >_> |
| 05:08:14 | Lambo | like doom |
| 05:08:33 | Lambo | and all the nice advanced features that the apple firmware does not offer, like said search function |
| 05:08:47 | Angel_of_Death | im just messing |
| 05:09:04 | webguest96 | any recomendations to fix my hold switch problem? |
| 05:09:14 | Lambo | and the fact that i have linux on my ipod and it is very easy to run rockbox with the ipod boot loader |
| 05:09:15 | webguest96 | becuase i would enjoy being able to save my doom games... |
| 05:09:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: You are running a fairly recent build, right? |
| 05:09:56 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, dude u rock |
| 05:10:22 | webguest96 | from like 4 days ago |
| 05:10:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: Try a newer one |
| 05:10:41 | webguest96 | will do |
| 05:10:45 | Lambo | try today's current build |
| 05:10:52 | Lambo | :/ |
| 05:11:36 | |Josh| | hmph |
| 05:12:02 | |Josh| | vmware is playing odd with my iPod.. |
| 05:12:14 | Lambo | tis funny, no one at my school comprehends what I did to my iPod |
| 05:12:20 | Angel_of_Death | i know |
| 05:12:22 | Angel_of_Death | likewise |
| 05:12:33 | Angel_of_Death | cant wait to show doom off :P |
| 05:12:41 | Lambo | lol |
| 05:13:05 | |Josh| | linux = frozenish |
| 05:13:21 | Lambo | i say there should be an addon for the iPod that let's you use it as one of those handheld portable tvs |
| 05:13:59 | Lambo | <chatkill> |
| 05:15:14 | lostlogic | TV tuner that encodes and pushes the stream to a buffer which can be read via a USB host interface on the ipod adn decoded by the BCM chip... ouch. |
| 05:15:37 | Angel_of_Death | exactly what i was thinking while reading that |
| 05:15:38 | Lambo | I'm not asking for too much.. am I? <_< |
| 05:16:07 | |Josh| | hmm |
| 05:16:18 | lostlogic | well the total insanity seems to have been defeated, but the damn thing still ends up showing not what it's playing in some back skipping situations. |
| 05:16:39 | |Josh| | I'm sort of confused on how to modify the path they gave for the iPod to the one that I'm getting.. |
| 05:16:49 | Lambo | what part? |
| 05:17:33 | afruff23 | anybody have a rockbox'd X5 |
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| 05:18:00 | |Josh| | 2.5 in that tutorial |
| 05:18:02 | Angel_of_Death | what is a x5? |
| 05:18:15 | |Josh| | a player. By iAudio. |
| 05:18:23 | Angel_of_Death | aight |
| 05:18:25 | Angel_of_Death | never heard |
| 05:18:37 | afruff23 | roxkbox.org is your friend |
| 05:18:43 | |Josh| | Lambo: http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1820/vmware8lx.gif |
| 05:18:46 | |Josh| | thats the output.. |
| 05:18:47 | afruff23 | take advantage of her |
| 05:19:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:19:10 | Lambo | my ipod was /dev/sda :/ |
| 05:19:27 | Angel_of_Death | can any1 name some .WADs that they know work without missing files and such, that are playable. with rockdoom |
| 05:19:30 | |Josh| | so would 2.5 be /sbin/fdisk /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 ? |
| 05:19:44 | Angel_of_Death | like ones u have maybe? |
| 05:19:56 | Lambo | |Josh|, I have no clue :/ |
| 05:20:01 | Lambo | what linux distro is that? |
| 05:20:04 | |Josh| | angel_of_death: check the forums. Its been discussed countless times. |
| 05:20:11 | |Josh| | Uh.. some debian variant |
| 05:20:15 | Angel_of_Death | mk |
| 05:20:23 | |Josh| | its the one provided by rockbox for vmware |
| 05:20:30 | Lambo | oh |
| 05:21:03 | carini | |Josh|: I haven't looked at the tutorial, but it looks from the output like your ipod is /dev/sdb. |
| 05:21:10 | webguest96 | anyone recomend a good IRC client im using the lame web thing |
| 05:21:19 | afruff23 | iceChat 5 |
| 05:21:24 | carini | What does /sbin/fdisk -p /dev/sdb say? |
| 05:21:25 | Lambo | mIRC |
| 05:21:41 | carini | ChatZilla's not bad |
| 05:21:48 | carini | Cheaper than mIRC |
| 05:21:55 | Lambo | mIRC is nagware |
| 05:21:56 | afruff23 | iceChat 5 is free |
| 05:22:00 | afruff23 | no ads |
| 05:22:03 | Lambo | you don't have to buy it.. it will just nag you |
| 05:22:08 | * | Paul_The_Nerd uses GAIM, and it works well enough. |
| 05:22:14 | Lambo | Gaim is good |
| 05:22:21 | Angel_of_Death | i use GAIM also |
| 05:22:34 | webguest96 | i wasnt aware gaim had an irc thing |
| 05:22:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 05:22:42 | webguest96 | i had it a bit ago |
| 05:22:51 | webguest96 | i suppose ill get it again |
| 05:23:10 | webguest96 | since it was recommended by paul, the almighty |
| 05:23:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 05:23:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, GAIM is far from the best IRC client |
| 05:24:11 | Angel_of_Death | i only use gaim for AIM and MSN and such |
| 05:24:13 | Angel_of_Death | not for IRC |
| 05:24:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I used it because I like to have all my realtime text-based communication consolidated in one program |
| 05:24:19 | Angel_of_Death | use Xchat for that |
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| 05:24:57 | webguest96 | i use aim msn and yahoo so yeah.... all in one would be good |
| 05:25:05 | webguest96 | ive been using trillian but i dont like it so much |
| 05:25:13 | Angel_of_Death | gaim is good |
| 05:25:19 | Angel_of_Death | 1 buddy list all the programs |
| 05:25:22 | Angel_of_Death | i love it |
| 05:25:24 | |Josh| | silverx's xchat 2 |
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| 05:28:23 | |Josh| | carini: UNable to open /dev/sbd |
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| 05:29:18 | Angel_of_Death | |Josh|, find me a link for those *countless* times please, or help me look |
| 05:29:24 | |Josh| | d'oh.. its db, not bd |
| 05:29:31 | Angel_of_Death | looking, havent found one yet |
| 05:29:44 | |Josh| | Its in the sticky. |
| 05:29:45 | |Josh| | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3471.0 |
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| 05:30:17 | Angel_of_Death | oh i heard something about goldeneye working on iPod with rockdoom or something |
| 05:30:23 | Angel_of_Death | any1 heard anything like that |
| 05:30:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just a doom mod made to look like goldeneye |
| 05:30:47 | afruff23 | you could make your own WAD based on goldeneye |
| 05:30:48 | afruff23 | damn |
| 05:30:51 | afruff23 | beat em to it |
| 05:30:52 | |Josh| | Grr.. sdb doesn't work either |
| 05:30:54 | afruff23 | me* |
| 05:31:07 | Lambo | |Josh|, try just typing mount |
| 05:31:12 | |Josh| | mmk |
| 05:31:15 | Lambo | it'l show all drives mounted |
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| 05:31:29 | |Josh| | I was actually just going to ask what the command was :) |
| 05:31:38 | afruff23 | does anybody know if doom works for the nano |
| 05:31:46 | |Josh| | I'm still not very good at the shell.. I like GNOME :P |
| 05:31:47 | afruff23 | the latest CVS build |
| 05:32:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: It should. |
| 05:32:14 | Angel_of_Death | not like u will want to |
| 05:32:19 | Angel_of_Death | wont be able to see anything :P |
| 05:32:38 | |Josh| | usbfs? |
| 05:32:53 | |Josh| | on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs |
| 05:33:02 | Lambo | hrmm |
| 05:33:12 | Lambo | nothing mounted with the name ipod? |
| 05:33:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: You can see plent on the Nano's screen. |
| 05:33:18 | |Josh| | nope.. |
| 05:33:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | plenty |
| 05:33:23 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, what are the demos for? |
| 05:33:25 | |Josh| | I wonder if its because of vmware |
| 05:33:25 | Lambo | well :/ |
| 05:33:30 | Lambo | might be |
| 05:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: I don't understand the question... they're demos. |
| 05:34:08 | Angel_of_Death | demos of what |
| 05:34:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom... |
| 05:34:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're demo in the traditional sense of "demonstration" |
| 05:34:35 | Angel_of_Death | i know what a demo is |
| 05:34:49 | |Josh| | well, I cd'd to /proc/bus/usb and a dir doesn't give any of the iPod files.. |
| 05:34:50 | Angel_of_Death | im just saying whats the point of them, if u already have the gfame |
| 05:34:52 | Lambo | aww |
| 05:34:55 | carini | |Josh|: You may need to mount it yourself. |
| 05:34:58 | Lambo | the halflife wad crashed |
| 05:35:02 | carini | mkdir /mnt/tmp |
| 05:35:09 | carini | mount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp |
| 05:35:10 | Angel_of_Death | halflife wad? |
| 05:35:18 | Lambo | half-life addon |
| 05:35:20 | Lambo | kik |
| 05:35:20 | Angel_of_Death | send it plz! |
| 05:35:21 | Lambo | lol |
| 05:35:37 | carini | |Josh|: What exactly are you trying to do? View your iPod files? |
| 05:35:37 | |Josh| | darn.. permission denied. gonna have to su it.. |
| 05:35:42 | Angel_of_Death | didnt mean that "?" in there btw |
| 05:35:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Well, you can download recorded ones showing how to beat levels in incredibly short periods of time and stuff like that. As well, nearly ALL games show a demo if you leave them on the title screen long enough. |
| 05:35:49 | |Josh| | trying to find it :P I want to install iPL |
| 05:36:06 | |Josh| | and I need to use fdisk to get the ext2 partition for it |
| 05:36:07 | carini | What does /sbin/fdisk -p /dev/sdb say? |
| 05:36:24 | |Josh| | cannot find /dev/sdb.. or something like that |
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| 05:36:47 | carini | Okay, then mount won't work, either |
| 05:36:56 | Lambo | Angel_of_Death: some free wads |
| 05:36:57 | Lambo | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4984&highlight=halflife |
| 05:37:01 | carini | Were you root? |
| 05:37:13 | |Josh| | no.. |
| 05:37:15 | |Josh| | I am now. |
| 05:37:18 | Angel_of_Death | oh with IPL |
| 05:37:28 | Angel_of_Death | does that matter? |
| 05:37:29 | Lambo | Angel_of_Death, they work with rockdoom too |
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| 05:37:31 | Lambo | some of them |
| 05:37:35 | Angel_of_Death | yeah what am i saying |
| 05:37:38 | Angel_of_Death | of course it would |
| 05:37:56 | |Josh| | cool.. |
| 05:37:57 | Lambo | heh |
| 05:38:00 | |Josh| | its working now in root |
| 05:38:04 | carini | Cool. |
| 05:38:05 | |Josh| | I can't beleive I didn't think of that |
| 05:38:08 | Lambo | it is funny how long it take for the default firmware to boot |
| 05:38:09 | |Josh| | thanks carini |
| 05:38:17 | carini | np |
| 05:38:26 | Lambo | Good night folks |
| 05:41:28 | |Josh| | awesome.. its working. |
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| 05:43:05 | Angel_of_Death | wow |
| 05:43:13 | Angel_of_Death | technology has come so far in 10 years |
| 05:43:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | 10 years? |
| 05:44:37 | |Josh| | Darn.. now I'm stuck. The vmware image doesn't come with mkdosfs |
| 05:44:48 | |Josh| | is there some easy way of installing that? |
| 05:44:56 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, yes 10 years |
| 05:45:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since what? |
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| 05:45:35 | carini | http://packages.debian.org |
| 05:45:40 | carini | search for mkdosfs |
| 05:45:50 | Angel_of_Death | when did doom first come out |
| 05:46:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | '92 |
| 05:46:09 | carini | Says it comes in the "dosfstools" package. |
| 05:46:18 | carini | As root, to "apt-get dosfstools" |
| 05:46:23 | carini | *do |
| 05:46:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, '93 |
| 05:46:40 | Angel_of_Death | whatever |
| 05:47:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well again, I can't read your mind, so if you say 10 years I have to assume you actually *mean* something that happened 10 years ago |
| 05:47:09 | Angel_of_Death | no |
| 05:47:12 | |Josh| | E: Invalid operation dosfstools |
| 05:47:14 | Angel_of_Death | i just mean generally |
| 05:47:16 | Angel_of_Death | 10 is a good number |
| 05:47:20 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 05:47:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's closer to 15 than 10 |
| 05:47:34 | carini | Sorry, "apt-get install dosfstools" |
| 05:47:35 | Angel_of_Death | well i didnt feel like looking the date up |
| 05:47:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you just made something up? |
| 05:47:48 | Angel_of_Death | no |
| 05:48:03 | |Josh| | 73.5% of statistics are made up on the spot |
| 05:48:12 | Angel_of_Death | technology has come along way in 10 years |
| 05:48:19 | Angel_of_Death | i wasnt saying an event |
| 05:48:23 | Angel_of_Death | i was just stating that |
| 05:49:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well in that case, technology has also come a long ways in 100 years |
| 05:49:20 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 05:49:23 | afruff23 | anybody got a X% with rockbox? |
| 05:49:28 | Angel_of_Death | but i think the curve from the last 10 is higher |
| 05:49:33 | afruff23 | X5* |
| 05:49:43 | |Josh| | Hmm |
| 05:49:53 | Angel_of_Death | anyways |
| 05:49:58 | |Josh| | Temporary failure resolving ftp.se.debian.org |
| 05:50:31 | |Josh| | is there a mirror I can change it too? |
| 05:51:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Exactly two people have entered the room since you last asked that. |
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| 05:51:25 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 05:51:30 | carini | |Josh|: Where are you located? |
| 05:51:35 | |Josh| | VA |
| 05:51:57 | |Josh| | packages.debian.org is loading fine.. |
| 05:52:16 | |Josh| | huh.. |
| 05:52:24 | |Josh| | ftp.se.debian.org is loading fine in firefox too |
| 05:52:28 | |Josh| | lets try this again.. |
| 05:52:39 | afruff23 | Hey I'm in MD |
| 05:52:48 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: get ready for breakage! |
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| 05:52:52 | carini | You may need to configure vmware to use a bridged connection? |
| 05:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: WOO! |
| 05:53:14 | carini | Can you ping ftp.se.debian.org from inside vmware? |
| 05:53:32 | |Josh| | Nope. That'd do it.. |
| 05:53:42 | |Josh| | last time I booted up vmware the connection bridged fine though.. |
| 05:53:53 | |Josh| | it did fail booting up this time. I forgot about that.. |
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| 05:54:35 | afruff23 | is there a way to search through recent CVS changes? |
| 05:54:41 | afruff23 | within the last month |
| 05:54:59 | Angel_of_Death | ummm |
| 05:55:04 | Angel_of_Death | theres a way to pick diff builds? |
| 05:55:15 | Angel_of_Death | not sure if they log the changes |
| 05:55:23 | |Josh| | afruff23: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 05:56:08 | afruff23 | that page is taking so long to load |
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| 05:56:18 | lostlogic | new track skipping committed, hold onto your butts. :) |
| 05:56:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: "minor fix"? |
| 05:56:53 | lostlogic | that was just a prelude commit |
| 05:56:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or is there another one in line? |
| 05:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 05:57:20 | lostlogic | I realized I'd had it sitting around for a while cuz I'd noticed the bug in auditting the playback related code for a bug. |
| 05:57:21 | Angel_of_Death | whose butts am i holding? |
| 05:57:25 | lostlogic | your gf's |
| 05:57:36 | Angel_of_Death | thanks bud, im single |
| 05:57:38 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 05:57:38 | afruff23 | what's dumprep.exe? |
| 05:57:47 | afruff23 | it comes up everytime a program freezes |
| 05:57:51 | |Josh| | something that shows up after your system crashes.. |
| 05:57:59 | |Josh| | it reports the error to MS, if you tell it too. |
| 05:57:59 | Angel_of_Death | now its just a guess |
| 05:58:07 | Angel_of_Death | but thats probably a problem. |
| 05:58:18 | afruff23 | everytime I end it, the crash goes away |
| 05:58:38 | afruff23 | I tried opening the link from Josh in firefox |
| 05:58:40 | Angel_of_Death | i love rockBOX and i cannot lie |
| 05:58:44 | afruff23 | and it froze since it was so long |
| 05:58:56 | |Josh| | carini: could I do mkdosfs -F 32 with some program in Windows? |
| 05:59:04 | lostlogic | Angel_of_Death: sorry, I'm single too, but in this sausage fest, I wasn't about to tell you to grab your neighbor's ass :) |
| 05:59:07 | |Josh| | The rest of the partition changes I could do fine from vmware.. |
| 05:59:16 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 05:59:30 | carini | |Josh|: How big is your disk? |
| 05:59:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm single as well, but not really |
| 05:59:44 | |Josh| | which, the iPod disk, or HD? |
| 05:59:56 | afruff23 | GOD< friefox reads long pages bad |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:03 | carini | The partition |
| 06:00:05 | afruff23 | it is howing me soem raw html code |
| 06:00:07 | Angel_of_Death | firefox owns |
| 06:00:10 | afruff23 | showing* |
| 06:00:13 | afruff23 | no ti doesn't |
| 06:00:15 | afruff23 | it* |
| 06:00:28 | afruff23 | IE never gave these problems |
| 06:00:31 | Angel_of_Death | have u seen the get firefox page? |
| 06:00:33 | carini | |Josh|: Sorry. The partition on the iPod. |
| 06:00:47 | Angel_of_Death | have u guys seen the get internet explorer page? |
| 06:00:51 | afruff23 | IE is faster than firefox |
| 06:00:54 | Angel_of_Death | lol its making fun of itself |
| 06:00:56 | Angel_of_Death | lol no its not |
| 06:00:56 | |Josh| | should be just under 30GB, I think... |
| 06:01:02 | afruff23 | the only reason I use firefox is security and tabbed broswing |
| 06:01:24 | afruff23 | yes, IE is faster |
| 06:01:32 | carini | mkdosfs -F 32 just makes a FAT32 filesystem. You should be able to do that with format in Windows, I think. |
| 06:01:34 | afruff23 | start IE and firefox at the same time |
| 06:01:39 | afruff23 | see what coems up faster |
| 06:01:42 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:01:44 | afruff23 | comes* |
| 06:01:47 | |Josh| | Opera is fastest, and has tabbed browsing, and is pretty secure |
| 06:01:50 | Angel_of_Death | well firefox would take longer for obvious reasons |
| 06:01:52 | | Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 06:01:53 | |Josh| | but for some reason I don't really like it.. |
| 06:01:54 | Angel_of_Death | so get the firefox preoloader |
| 06:02:21 | Angel_of_Death | with the firefox preloader it opens within a sec or so |
| 06:02:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, IE is somewhat integrated with the OS, so it has an unnatural advantage there, but "faster" isn't really about which opens first, but which tends to render the quickes. |
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| 06:02:37 | |Josh| | Firefox renders slow here too :P |
| 06:02:43 | |Josh| | I don't know why I haven't switched to Opera yet.. |
| 06:02:45 | gursikh | actually i think opera loads just as fast or faster than IE most times |
| 06:02:46 | Angel_of_Death | brb |
| 06:02:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You broke the build table! |
| 06:02:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nooooooooo! |
| 06:03:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | A SINGLE point. |
| 06:03:12 | afruff23 | firefox keeps freezing on the commits since 2.5 page |
| 06:03:13 | |Josh| | It was so pretty with all those greens.. |
| 06:03:17 | afruff23 | I'm usign IE |
| 06:03:35 | afruff23 | using* |
| 06:04:05 | Angel_of_Death | user error |
| 06:04:06 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: pfft, it's not even a real warning, betcha it goes away despite no changes on the next one. |
| 06:04:19 | |Josh| | I'll be right back.. |
| 06:04:24 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: that's the problem with the distributed builds, different compiler verionsd give some weird warnings. |
| 06:04:32 | Angel_of_Death | afruff if to u its about which open faster |
| 06:04:34 | lostlogic | where's my follow-up build!/ |
| 06:04:38 | Angel_of_Death | download the firefox preloader |
| 06:04:41 | Angel_of_Death | http://www.getinternetexplorer.com/ |
| 06:04:47 | Angel_of_Death | that was made by microsoft |
| 06:04:59 | Angel_of_Death | its suposed to make fun of firefox cause it looks just like the get firefox site |
| 06:05:06 | Angel_of_Death | Tabbed Browsing |
| 06:05:07 | Angel_of_Death | Screw that. It will only confuse basic users, so instead of making it an option, we just didn't implement it at all. Oh wait... there goes our browser market share. Our next release will have tabs. |
| 06:05:12 | afruff23 | does the commits since 2.5 page show up incorrectly for others? |
| 06:05:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Shows up fine for me. In firefox. |
| 06:05:48 | Angel_of_Death | like i said ruff, must be a user error :P |
| 06:06:05 | afruff23 | hwo could I make an error opening a link? |
| 06:06:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | "We discovered the web"? |
| 06:06:18 | afruff23 | it shows the html instead fo formatting it |
| 06:06:22 | afruff23 | IE does it too |
| 06:06:24 | afruff23 | WTF |
| 06:06:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: You could've improperly installed firefox, or have some extension or other software that causes it to function improperly. |
| 06:06:42 | Angel_of_Death | Fits Like a Glove |
| 06:06:44 | Angel_of_Death | We know exactly how big your hand is. Well we at least have a pretty good idea. I mean, come on. We do contol your entire operating system already. |
| 06:06:59 | Angel_of_Death | ahh this one if my favorite, S, M, L or XL—It's Your Choice |
| 06:06:59 | Angel_of_Death | As long as your choice is Microsoft's choice. |
| 06:07:05 | afruff23 | no, firefox and IE both laod it incorrectly |
| 06:07:06 | Angel_of_Death | oh right sorry about all that flamming |
| 06:07:23 | Angel_of_Death | then its ur pc's prob |
| 06:07:42 | Angel_of_Death | would u looky there all this chattin and i forgot about all those wad files !!! |
| 06:07:44 | Angel_of_Death | back to them |
| 06:07:45 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:08:37 | afruff23 | in the commtis since 2.5 page it says |
| 06:08:37 | afruff23 | iAudio X5: hold button functions (not yet complete) |
| 06:08:48 | afruff23 | so does this mean hold functions as hold |
| 06:08:51 | afruff23 | ? |
| 06:09:02 | afruff23 | commits* |
| 06:09:02 | | Quit webguest96 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 06:09:55 | Angel_of_Death | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4984&highlight=halflife |
| 06:10:06 | Angel_of_Death | do i put those games in the games/doom folder |
| 06:10:08 | Angel_of_Death | or in addons |
| 06:10:13 | | Join speacial_ed [0] (n=stopthav@00095b0ec047.click-network.com) |
| 06:10:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Addons |
| 06:10:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | the /games/doom folder is only for base wads |
| 06:10:47 | afruff23 | I like the store link on the getIE page |
| 06:10:48 | Angel_of_Death | arent those all base wads? |
| 06:10:51 | afruff23 | ebay lol |
| 06:11:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: A base wad is one of the the IWADs that came with a retail version of the game. |
| 06:11:20 | speacial_ed | anyone know if the halflife .wad works on rockbox? |
| 06:11:33 | Angel_of_Death | im about to try special ed |
| 06:11:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Word is that halflife doesn't |
| 06:11:39 | afruff23 | halflife uses a differetn engine |
| 06:11:45 | speacial_ed | i tried and couldnt get it |
| 06:11:48 | afruff23 | heretic should work though |
| 06:11:55 | afruff23 | since it uses the same engien with mods |
| 06:11:58 | afruff23 | engine* |
| 06:12:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: The half-life wad is a mod on doom. It's not the actual halflife GAME |
| 06:12:10 | afruff23 | oh |
| 06:12:15 | afruff23 | so it should work |
| 06:12:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Also, heretic has no reason to work, as it used a different build of the engine than Doom2 did. |
| 06:12:24 | afruff23 | oh |
| 06:12:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: That's like saying the real Half-Life game should work if run with Quake2 |
| 06:13:12 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, so doom64 on that link isnta base its an addon? |
| 06:13:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: That one even SAYS it needs Doom2.wadc |
| 06:14:22 | Angel_of_Death | hmm yes it does, eyes were reading what they wanted to read |
| 06:14:34 | Angel_of_Death | i was thinking something else |
| 06:15:30 | afruff23 | in themes, why do people add the statusbar disabled tag? |
| 06:15:39 | afruff23 | almost all WPSes already have that tag |
| 06:15:41 | lostlogic | byzantium.homedns.org shoul dnot be a build server, unless there is some particular reason those two builds were so slow. |
| 06:15:45 | afruff23 | and the WPS is priority |
| 06:16:07 | lostlogic | oh, and bleeding edge builds wiht new track skipping are out for swcodec testing types. |
| 06:17:50 | afruff23 | damn it my WPS is 1676 bytes |
| 06:17:53 | afruff23 | what can I do? |
| 06:18:02 | afruff23 | and it's not even done |
| 06:18:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Make it simpler? |
| 06:18:13 | afruff23 | I know |
| 06:18:16 | afruff23 | shorten filenames |
| 06:18:30 | afruff23 | make the user clueless |
| 06:18:37 | afruff23 | as to which image is what |
| 06:18:40 | afruff23 | MWAHAHA |
| 06:19:22 | lostlogic | YAY WIKISPAM! |
| 06:19:39 | |Josh| | hey.. at least I got the bootloader installed right |
| 06:19:51 | |Josh| | now if I could just get vmware's networking back online.. |
| 06:20:43 | | Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") |
| 06:21:01 | Angel_of_Death | doom64, works |
| 06:21:16 | afruff23 | here is my current WPS code without the image preloads |
| 06:21:18 | afruff23 | %?mm<%?ps<%xdP|%xdO>|%?ps<%xdN|%xdM>|%?ps<%xdR|%xdQ>|%?ps<%t3%xdP;%t3%xdS|%xdS>|%?ps<%t3%xdL;%t1%xdP|%xdL>> |
| 06:21:18 | afruff23 | %?pv<%xdA|%xdB|%xC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG|%xdH|%xdI|%xdJ|%xdK> |
| 06:21:18 | afruff23 | %pb|6|10|150| |
| 06:21:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK afruff23 |
| 06:21:18 | afruff23 | %ca, b e, l:M Pc |
| 06:21:18 | afruff23 | %?mp<%t1%xdT;%t0.5%xdY|%xdU|%t1%xdV;%t0.5%xdY|%t0.4%xdW;%t0.2%xdY|%t0.4%xdX;%t0.2%xdY> |
| 06:21:19 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 06:21:19 | afruff23 | %?bp<%?bc<%?bl<%xda;%xdb|%xdb;%xdc|%xdc;%xdd|%xdd;%xde|%xde;%xdf>|%xdf>|%?bl<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde>> |
| 06:21:21 | afruff23 | %?fc<%xdg|%xdh|%xdi|%xdj|%xdk|%xdl|%xdm|%xdn|%xdo|%xdp>;%fbkbps;%t1%ffHz;%t1.5%fskB |
| 06:21:23 | afruff23 | Artist:%?ia<%ia|%?ic<%ic|%d2>> |
| 06:21:23 | | Quit amiconn (Connection timed out) |
| 06:21:24 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 06:21:25 | afruff23 | Title:%?it<%it|%fn> |
| 06:21:27 | afruff23 | Album:%?id<%id|%d1> |
| 06:21:29 | afruff23 | %?ig<Genre:%ig|%t0>;%?iy<Year:%iy|%t0> |
| 06:21:31 | afruff23 | %?mm<%?ps<%xdP|%xdO>|%?ps<%xdN|%xdM>|%?ps<%xdR|%xdQ>|%?ps<%t3%xdP;%t3%xdS|%xdS>|%?ps<%t3%xdL;%t1%xdP|%xdL>> |
| 06:21:33 | afruff23 | that came out wrong |
| 06:21:35 | afruff23 | %?mm<%?ps<%xdP|%xdO>|%?ps<%xdN|%xdM>|%?ps<%xdR|%xdQ>|%?ps<%t3%xdP;%t3%xdS|%xdS>|%?ps<%t3%xdL;%t1%xdP|%xdL>> |
| 06:21:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why are you copying the whole thing into the channel and spamming? |
| 06:21:37 | afruff23 | %?pv<%xdA|%xdB|%xC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG|%xdH|%xdI|%xdJ|%xdK> |
| 06:21:39 | afruff23 | %pb|6|10|150| |
| 06:21:41 | afruff23 | %ca, b e, l:M Pc |
| 06:21:43 | afruff23 | %?mp<%t1%xdT;%t0.5%xdY|%xdU|%t1%xdV;%t0.5%xdY|%t0.4%xdW;%t0.2%xdY|%t0.4%xdX;%t0.2%xdY> |
| 06:21:45 | afruff23 | %?bp<%?bc<%?bl<%xda;%xdb|%xdb;%xdc|%xdc;%xdd|%xdd;%xde|%xde;%xdf>|%xdf>|%?bl<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde>> |
| 06:21:47 | afruff23 | %?fc<%xdg|%xdh|%xdi|%xdj|%xdk|%xdl|%xdm|%xdn|%xdo|%xdp>;%fbkbps;%t1%ffHz;%t1.5%fskB |
| 06:21:48 | Angel_of_Death | sdfu |
| 06:21:49 | afruff23 | Artist:%?ia<%ia|%?ic<%ic|%d2>> |
| 06:21:51 | afruff23 | Title:%?it<%it|%fn> |
| 06:21:52 | Galois | god, make it stop |
| 06:21:53 | afruff23 | Album:%?id<%id|%d1> |
| 06:21:55 | afruff23 | %?ig<Genre:%ig|%t0>;%?iy<Year:%iy|%t0> |
| 06:21:57 | afruff23 | hwo do I paste as one |
| 06:21:59 | afruff23 | sorry |
| 06:22:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: You could always NOT paste your WPS here... |
| 06:22:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe just post a .txt of it somewhere |
| 06:22:33 | lostlogic | pastebin.com |
| 06:22:37 | lostlogic | use it, love it. |
| 06:22:37 | afruff23 | thnx |
| 06:22:48 | | Join |Josh|_ [0] (i=|Josh|@unaffiliated/josh/x-000000001) |
| 06:22:53 | lostlogic | I should sleep, I was about to go crazy and start yelling things. |
| 06:23:04 | |Josh|_ | Hmph.. stupid dialup. |
| 06:23:19 | | Quit |Josh| (Nick collision from services.) |
| 06:23:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Sleep. We need you sane in case your recent commit explodes some iPods |
| 06:23:44 | | Nick |Josh|_ is now known as |Josh| (i=|Josh|@unaffiliated/josh/x-000000001) |
| 06:23:46 | afruff23 | http://pastebin.com/652868 |
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| 06:24:49 | | Join bananafon [0] (n=say@c-67-184-76-109.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 06:24:54 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: haha! Kinda waiting till someone says "I'm running lostlogic's newest code and it {rules,sucks}!" |
| 06:25:08 | |Josh| | vmware is being a pain... stupid networking wont work :/ |
| 06:25:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Well, you could always rename all the codec-blah.bmps to cdc-blah.bmp or just blah.bmp |
| 06:26:01 | carini | |Josh|: What does "ethernet0.virtualDev" in your .vmx file say? You might try "e1000 |
| 06:26:04 | carini | '" |
| 06:26:17 | | Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) |
| 06:26:24 | afruff23 | I'm going to shorten all the filenames to jsut "x" or "xx" |
| 06:26:41 | afruff23 | that should shave at least 100 bytes |
| 06:26:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, I'm just about to build it, so we shall see. |
| 06:26:55 | carini | |Josh|: What does "ifconfig -a" say? |
| 06:27:36 | bananafon | language support doesnt work on rockbox correct? |
| 06:27:38 | bananafon | say for example Koeran |
| 06:27:41 | bananafon | Korean |
| 06:27:46 | lostlogic | bananafon: why wouldn't it?! |
| 06:27:53 | |Josh| | ethernet0.virtualDev isn't set.. |
| 06:27:57 | bananafon | i tried wed, it wasnt working |
| 06:28:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | bananafon: So long as the file is up to date, there's no reason you should have problems with it. If the file doesn't work, it's because it needs updating, I would assume. |
| 06:28:15 | bananafon | also, when im updating to bleeding edge, do i just replace .rockbox folder and the rockbox file ? |
| 06:28:19 | |Josh| | ifconfig: command not found? |
| 06:28:24 | carini | As root? |
| 06:28:27 | |Josh| | bananafon: yes |
| 06:28:28 | lostlogic | bananafon: extract a new rockbox.zip to your player |
| 06:28:30 | |Josh| | carini: yes |
| 06:28:48 | carini | Hmm.. that's not good, I think... |
| 06:28:58 | bananafon | anyone know if rockbox will come out for Philips Hdd120 players? |
| 06:29:01 | |Josh| | wait.. |
| 06:29:09 | |Josh| | no, its not root. I forgot to su after I rebooted VMware |
| 06:29:10 | |Josh| | my mistake |
| 06:29:27 | |Josh| | there we go.. |
| 06:29:41 | carini | you have eth0? |
| 06:29:48 | |Josh| | I do.. |
| 06:29:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | bananafon: If someone ports it, it will. If nobody does, it won't. |
| 06:29:54 | |Josh| | want a screenshot? |
| 06:29:58 | carini | sure |
| 06:30:46 | bananafon | k |
| 06:30:48 | bananafon | thanks paul |
| 06:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know it's a bit of a pat answer, but really new ports happen when someone does them. |
| 06:31:15 | bananafon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welsh |
| 06:31:16 | bananafon | so hot |
| 06:31:20 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 06:31:37 | lostlogic | on a scale of zero-to off topic, can we get an 11? |
| 06:31:44 | bananafon | 20 |
| 06:31:57 | lostlogic | born in my city nonetheless. |
| 06:31:59 | |Josh| | carini: http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/153/untitled22yb.gif |
| 06:32:02 | bananafon | id love to rock that box |
| 06:32:31 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:32:31 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs |
| 06:32:50 | bananafon | lol sorry |
| 06:33:02 | carini | |Josh|: No ip4 ip addr... |
| 06:33:29 | carini | How is your networking configured? NAT? Bridged? |
| 06:33:40 | |Josh| | NAT |
| 06:33:45 | |Josh| | Its all on deafult.. |
| 06:33:53 | Galois | bananafon: I have no trouble displaying korean text in rockbox |
| 06:33:58 | |Josh| | which worked a week ago when I was playing around with rockbox CVS |
| 06:34:19 | bananafon | galois, i just updated to bleeding edge |
| 06:34:22 | bananafon | so i'll see if it works |
| 06:34:26 | bananafon | im on 5G video |
| 06:34:33 | lostlogic | BAGH, buffer wrapping or refill or something causes audio glitch -> playback stop -> EVERYTHING HATES LOSTLOGIC |
| 06:34:38 | Galois | bananafon: it's been working since january |
| 06:34:45 | carini | What does /etc/network/interfaces say for iface eth0? dynamic? |
| 06:34:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Awww... I don't hate you. But fix it. or else. -_- |
| 06:35:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:35:14 | lostlogic | I think I'll fix it tomorrow, at leaset I know what to expect. |
| 06:35:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 06:35:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sleep is helpful. |
| 06:35:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I think most people know how to get an older daily finally |
| 06:35:40 | |Josh| | carini: how would I find that out? I've always used GUI text viewers/editors |
| 06:35:55 | carini | "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 06:35:55 | lostlogic | lol, I still think this is better than the previous committed version, but I suppose some may disagree. |
| 06:36:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, we've got three handy threads waiting to explode in the forums if they do disagree |
| 06:36:25 | |Josh| | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:36:45 | Angel_of_Death | is heretic any good |
| 06:36:48 | Angel_of_Death | bah nvm i have enough wads |
| 06:36:54 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 06:37:03 | carini | In /var/log, is there a dhcp.log file or something like that? |
| 06:37:06 | Angel_of_Death | quake2, half life |
| 06:37:11 | Angel_of_Death | duke nuken |
| 06:37:12 | Angel_of_Death | doom64 |
| 06:37:13 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: feel free to update my wiki page if you see good bugs reported in the forums :) |
| 06:37:14 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:37:16 | lostlogic | g'night! |
| 06:37:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Will do. |
| 06:37:40 | |Josh| | auth.og, daemon.og |
| 06:37:48 | | Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") |
| 06:38:13 | speacial_ed | i reinstalled and it works no (my hold switch for doom |
| 06:38:30 | Angel_of_Death | speacial_ed, u there? |
| 06:38:34 | bananafon | when i update to bleeding edge, do i need to tagcache again? |
| 06:39:24 | speacial_ed | yes? |
| 06:39:29 | bananafon | btw, korean , japanese doesnt work on ipod rockbox |
| 06:39:29 | Angel_of_Death | i got half life working |
| 06:39:37 | speacial_ed | on 5g? |
| 06:39:38 | Galois | bananafon: they work |
| 06:39:40 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 06:39:43 | bananafon | yeh on 5g |
| 06:39:44 | speacial_ed | telll me |
| 06:39:45 | |Josh| | bananafon: it probably depends on the font you're using |
| 06:39:45 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 06:39:48 | bananafon | it doesnt display anything |
| 06:39:53 | Galois | bananafon: http://efnet-math.org/~djao/20060410-003759.png |
| 06:39:57 | Angel_of_Death | what was ur problem? |
| 06:39:57 | Galois | ipod nano, taken last night |
| 06:39:58 | | Quit sayocean (Connection timed out) |
| 06:40:09 | speacial_ed | i could get it to get to the new game screen and such |
| 06:40:10 | Galois | running 20060406 daily build of rockbox |
| 06:40:19 | speacial_ed | but when i went to actaully start it i got some weird error |
| 06:40:21 | Angel_of_Death | and then what happend |
| 06:40:23 | bananafon | what font should i be using? |
| 06:40:27 | Galois | unifont |
| 06:40:50 | Angel_of_Death | hmm |
| 06:40:58 | bananafon | there we go |
| 06:40:59 | bananafon | thanks |
| 06:41:06 | speacial_ed | itd freeze at the error screen |
| 06:41:13 | Angel_of_Death | mk |
| 06:41:17 | bananafon | when i update to bleeding edge, do i need to tagcache again? |
| 06:41:17 | speacial_ed | which was just the error text in black and a white background |
| 06:41:19 | Angel_of_Death | want me to send u my half life wad? |
| 06:41:37 | speacial_ed | could you send me the entire folder? to make sure i dont mess it up |
| 06:41:48 | Angel_of_Death | ummm |
| 06:42:00 | Angel_of_Death | i can send u the 2 files u need |
| 06:42:03 | Angel_of_Death | and tell u were to put them |
| 06:42:05 | speacial_ed | k thatll work |
| 06:42:06 | speacial_ed | i guess |
| 06:42:09 | Angel_of_Death | k |
| 06:42:16 | Angel_of_Death | lemme hunt down the other one in my recycle bin |
| 06:42:21 | speacial_ed | k |
| 06:42:26 | |Josh| | actually.. it looks like I might not need dosfstools anyway.. |
| 06:42:32 | |Josh| | the fat32 partition is still intact |
| 06:42:43 | Angel_of_Death | speacial_ed, u have doom2? |
| 06:42:57 | carini | You should be able to make a fat32 filesystem with "format" from a DOS window. |
| 06:43:09 | speacial_ed | yes |
| 06:43:20 | speacial_ed | the actuall original bought one |
| 06:43:23 | Angel_of_Death | doom2 is in games/doom/ right |
| 06:43:23 | speacial_ed | not like freedoom |
| 06:43:26 | speacial_ed | yes |
| 06:43:29 | Angel_of_Death | k |
| 06:43:33 | |Josh| | I've never used format before.. |
| 06:43:34 | | Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 06:43:35 | Angel_of_Death | well we might need to get u freedoom |
| 06:43:35 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:43:37 | Angel_of_Death | anyways |
| 06:43:37 | |Josh| | what syntax? |
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| 06:43:48 | Angel_of_Death | u got a folder in doom/addons? |
| 06:43:52 | Angel_of_Death | u have addons folder? |
| 06:43:57 | speacial_ed | i had one |
| 06:43:59 | speacial_ed | ill make another |
| 06:44:01 | Angel_of_Death | k |
| 06:44:09 | carini | try "help format" |
| 06:44:22 | carini | but it looks like "format F: /fs:fat32" |
| 06:44:41 | carini | You'll have to disconnect your iPod from vmware first, though, and get it mounted as a drive in Windows |
| 06:44:43 | Angel_of_Death | cancel that |
| 06:44:51 | |Josh| | Yup, did that already |
| 06:44:54 | |Josh| | Ok.. thats working. |
| 06:44:55 | speacial_ed | cancel what? |
| 06:45:03 | Angel_of_Death | i just offered to send u something |
| 06:45:18 | |Josh| | Thanks carini. Now I just have to install ext2 IFS for windows and see if I can get the iPL files copied over |
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| 06:45:49 | Angel_of_Death | k ed, accept that |
| 06:45:58 | speacial_ed | im new to the whole irc thing so yeahhhh |
| 06:46:03 | Angel_of_Death | me to |
| 06:46:03 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:46:07 | speacial_ed | like i was webguest 96 earlier |
| 06:46:09 | |Josh| | Wow thats slow. 2 percent completed. |
| 06:46:10 | speacial_ed | when i didnt have a client |
| 06:46:14 | speacial_ed | and i asked what one to get |
| 06:46:22 | |Josh| | what did you chose? |
| 06:46:24 | bananafon | damn |
| 06:46:32 | bananafon | that takes skills to load the apple firmware on a reset |
| 06:46:34 | speacial_ed | umm its at 0% |
| 06:46:43 | Angel_of_Death | u need to accept |
| 06:46:51 | speacial_ed | i did |
| 06:46:58 | speacial_ed | err wiat |
| 06:46:59 | speacial_ed | wait* |
| 06:47:01 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:47:01 | speacial_ed | it says |
| 06:47:11 | speacial_ed | status: Jacob&Jessie© |
| 06:47:11 | speacial_ed | 2.26.05 |
| 06:47:13 | speacial_ed | oops |
| 06:47:14 | speacial_ed | haha |
| 06:47:15 | speacial_ed | um |
| 06:47:22 | speacial_ed | it says status accepting send |
| 06:47:31 | Angel_of_Death | hold on |
| 06:47:35 | Angel_of_Death | ill just get u the link lol |
| 06:47:43 | speacial_ed | i was about to say that |
| 06:47:43 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 06:47:55 | speacial_ed | WAIT |
| 06:47:57 | speacial_ed | ive got it still |
| 06:47:59 | speacial_ed | from last time |
| 06:48:07 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 06:48:09 | Angel_of_Death | but that one didnt work |
| 06:48:26 | Angel_of_Death | just accept lol |
| 06:48:32 | speacial_ed | i did man |
| 06:48:35 | speacial_ed | i clicked accept |
| 06:48:45 | carini | |Josh|: Still interested in getting your networking working? |
| 06:48:46 | Angel_of_Death | click it again |
| 06:48:51 | speacial_ed | just did |
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| 06:48:59 | |Josh| | carini: Yeah |
| 06:49:05 | speacial_ed | you got a firewall up? |
| 06:49:12 | |Josh| | format is only at 6% :/ |
| 06:49:20 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 06:49:25 | Angel_of_Death | but that wouldnt block me from sending |
| 06:49:34 | speacial_ed | wouldnt know :/ |
| 06:49:36 | Angel_of_Death | bah |
| 06:49:39 | speacial_ed | me = largest newbie ever |
| 06:49:40 | Angel_of_Death | ill just get u the link lmfao |
| 06:49:42 | carini | I just booted the Rockbox vmware (I had my own running). Try "/etc/init.d/network restart" as root. |
| 06:49:42 | speacial_ed | ok |
| 06:49:48 | speacial_ed | whatever happend to that plan last time? |
| 06:49:53 | carini | Check out what it says about DHCP |
| 06:50:20 | Angel_of_Death | http://www.gp32x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,24,331 |
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| 06:50:34 | Angel_of_Death | hit the download button |
| 06:50:38 | speacial_ed | same place i got it last time |
| 06:50:39 | Angel_of_Death | save to desktop |
| 06:50:43 | Angel_of_Death | oh really? |
| 06:50:45 | speacial_ed | yup |
| 06:50:46 | |Josh| | /etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory? |
| 06:50:49 | | Quit solexx_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 06:50:51 | speacial_ed | i bet i just did it wrong |
| 06:50:56 | speacial_ed | me in all of my retarded ness |
| 06:50:59 | Angel_of_Death | i renamed it halflife and put it in addons |
| 06:51:09 | speacial_ed | halflife.wad? |
| 06:51:12 | speacial_ed | or just halflife |
| 06:51:17 | Angel_of_Death | .wad |
| 06:51:19 | speacial_ed | k |
| 06:51:23 | carini | Sorry. /etc/init.d/networking |
| 06:51:29 | Angel_of_Death | cause i thought DOOM2.WAD was confusing |
| 06:51:32 | Angel_of_Death | since it wasnt doom2 |
| 06:51:35 | speacial_ed | and that was it? |
| 06:51:53 | |Josh| | ok.. I'll need to take another screenshot |
| 06:51:54 | Angel_of_Death | then i opened doom on the iPod selected doom2.wad for my game, and addon halflife.wad |
| 06:51:57 | Angel_of_Death | and it worked |
| 06:52:00 | Angel_of_Death | i played for a few minutes |
| 06:52:05 | speacial_ed | alright ill try it right now |
| 06:52:10 | Angel_of_Death | =) |
| 06:53:12 | speacial_ed | Yesssss |
| 06:53:15 | speacial_ed | if i were gay id kiss you |
| 06:53:17 | speacial_ed | but im not |
| 06:53:19 | speacial_ed | so no kisses |
| 06:53:25 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:53:37 | Angel_of_Death | guessin it worked? |
| 06:53:51 | speacial_ed | yupp |
| 06:53:58 | speacial_ed | i WAY overdid it last time |
| 06:53:59 | Angel_of_Death | :) |
| 06:54:07 | speacial_ed | made its own folder named halflife and such |
| 06:54:09 | Angel_of_Death | what did u do? |
| 06:54:10 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:54:13 | Angel_of_Death | no wonder. |
| 06:54:26 | speacial_ed | i was going off the iDoom instructions though but i didnt realize that till to late |
| 06:55:03 | speacial_ed | is there sound? |
| 06:55:05 | |Josh| | http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6311/untitled30wg.gif |
| 06:55:10 | speacial_ed | or do i not need to bother to find my headphones |
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| 06:55:36 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 06:55:40 | Angel_of_Death | some sound |
| 06:55:43 | Angel_of_Death | its gay sound lol |
| 06:56:00 | Angel_of_Death | i guess its better than nothing |
| 06:56:17 | Angel_of_Death | i think im gonna edit it so when i kill someone it says something cool from QUAKE like DOMINATING! |
| 06:56:24 | Angel_of_Death | or would that be to anoying lol? |
| 06:56:41 | |Josh| | I got that same error when I try to reboot the image |
| 06:56:45 | Angel_of_Death | anyways when u first open doom from the plugins list, go to options>sound> and turn it off |
| 06:56:48 | carini | |Josh|: Okay, the problem is it couldn't get a DHCP lease. |
| 06:56:51 | Angel_of_Death | off is on and on is off |
| 06:57:02 | | Quit solexx__2 (Connection timed out) |
| 06:57:09 | carini | In windows, do you have a service named "VMWare DHCP Service" running? |
| 06:57:50 | |Josh| | nope. |
| 06:58:00 | |Josh| | That'd do it. *starts the service* |
| 06:58:06 | speacial_ed | well |
| 06:58:09 | speacial_ed | ill play that later |
| 06:58:12 | speacial_ed | more wads |
| 06:58:19 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 06:58:29 | |Josh| | That did it :) |
| 06:58:32 | |Josh| | Awesome. |
| 06:58:42 | |Josh| | Thanks a ton. |
| 06:58:44 | carini | :-) |
| 06:58:45 | Angel_of_Death | i choose, duke nukem, doom64, quake2, half life. and they all worked |
| 06:58:54 | carini | np |
| 06:59:02 | |Josh| | heh... format still at 20% |
| 06:59:12 | |Josh| | I guess it wouldn't be safe to cancel that, would it? |
| 06:59:13 | carini | I doubt mkdosfs would be any faster... |
| 06:59:32 | carini | Sure, what do you have to lose? |
| 06:59:36 | speacial_ed | and just put them all in the addons folder? |
| 06:59:41 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
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| 06:59:48 | speacial_ed | which ones would you recommend |
| 06:59:50 | carini | You already lost the contents of the partition... |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:01 | Angel_of_Death | ummm |
| 07:00:02 | |Josh| | I didn't, actually.. |
| 07:00:05 | |Josh| | its apparently still there |
| 07:00:08 | Angel_of_Death | duke nukem is good, doom64 is good |
| 07:00:13 | |Josh| | I don't know how or why :P |
| 07:00:14 | Angel_of_Death | quakes graphics look pretty decent |
| 07:00:20 | carini | The partition is there, but you nuked the filesystem with the "format". |
| 07:00:23 | Angel_of_Death | half life i havent tried but i love the game |
| 07:00:35 | carini | Didn't you? |
| 07:00:36 | Angel_of_Death | u can get up to 10 on ur iPod at a time |
| 07:00:38 | speacial_ed | it doesnt look much like the actaul game... at all.. |
| 07:00:47 | |Josh| | it's all showing up in explorer.. |
| 07:00:51 | Angel_of_Death | what half life? |
| 07:00:53 | speacial_ed | yeah |
| 07:00:58 | Angel_of_Death | sure it does, just without the storyline |
| 07:01:05 | |Josh| | I don't know.. as soon as this darn ping finishes I'll double check the partition info |
| 07:01:06 | speacial_ed | well thats what i mean |
| 07:01:09 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:01:11 | carini | That's kinda scary. You sure you formatted the right drive? |
| 07:01:11 | |Josh| | can you abort the ping? |
| 07:01:17 | carini | Ctrl-C |
| 07:01:19 | |Josh| | well.. windows didn't crash |
| 07:01:31 | |Josh| | much better :) |
| 07:01:44 | |Josh| | mounting iPod in vmware.. |
| 07:01:48 | Galois | "You sure you formatted the right drive?" bad question to be asking at this stage |
| 07:02:00 | |Josh| | :) |
| 07:02:01 | |Josh| | heh |
| 07:02:06 | Angel_of_Death | my thoughts exactly |
| 07:02:09 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:02:17 | Angel_of_Death | and windows actually not crashing |
| 07:02:22 | Angel_of_Death | that must be a first |
| 07:02:27 | |Josh| | windows partition is fine, and my linux partition I'm not worried about. So if I didn't, nothing too bad happened.. |
| 07:02:34 | Angel_of_Death | do u mean not crashing.... *yet* |
| 07:02:59 | |Josh| | Yay.. dosfstools is installed :) |
| 07:03:57 | speacial_ed | has anyone here done the patcher for the rockboy controlls? |
| 07:04:07 | Angel_of_Death | whats that? |
| 07:04:16 | |Josh| | well.. p in fdisk is showing all three partitions as it should be.. |
| 07:04:26 | |Josh| | so I don't know why the fat32 wasn't wiped |
| 07:04:28 | speacial_ed | angel, me? |
| 07:04:35 | Angel_of_Death | hmm? |
| 07:04:47 | speacial_ed | im so lost |
| 07:05:01 | Angel_of_Death | "rockboy controlls" what be those? |
| 07:05:02 | carini | Stupid question but... when you ran "format f: /fs:fat32", f: was your ipod, right? |
| 07:05:12 | speacial_ed | do you not know what rockboy is? |
| 07:05:16 | speacial_ed | the gameboy emu? |
| 07:05:16 | |Josh| | I ran format k: |
| 07:05:20 | |Josh| | K is my iPod |
| 07:05:20 | |Josh| | :) |
| 07:05:23 | carini | :-) |
| 07:05:24 | carini | phew |
| 07:05:33 | |Josh| | heh |
| 07:05:39 | speacial_ed | theres a patch for the controls since the old one there isnt enough keys |
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| 07:06:16 | |Josh| | I know why I didn't format it.. |
| 07:06:30 | |Josh| | thats what mkdosfs was supposed to do, and since I didn't have dosfstools I couldn't do that |
| 07:06:54 | carini | I thought you were using format from DOS to do it... |
| 07:06:59 | | Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzzz") |
| 07:07:06 | |Josh| | I was, but it was taking forever. |
| 07:07:20 | |Josh| | So I canceled that |
| 07:07:23 | |Josh| | mkdosfs is done. |
| 07:07:38 | |Josh| | lets see.. now I just have to get and extract the .tar.gz |
| 07:07:49 | |Josh| | is there a shell program for that? |
| 07:08:02 | carini | tar xvzf file.tar.gz |
| 07:08:11 | carini | extracts to the current directory |
| 07:08:21 | carini | tar tvzf file.tar.gz lists the contents... |
| 07:09:31 | | Quit gursikh () |
| 07:10:50 | |Josh| | wget'ing the file.. |
| 07:11:02 | speacial_ed | angel_of_death: do you know how to get the other episodes for doom1? |
| 07:11:08 | speacial_ed | or does anyone for that matter? |
| 07:11:27 | Angel_of_Death | what do u mean |
| 07:11:30 | Angel_of_Death | other episodes |
| 07:11:38 | speacial_ed | like when you start it up |
| 07:11:40 | speacial_ed | before you play |
| 07:11:44 | Angel_of_Death | other addons? |
| 07:11:45 | speacial_ed | it says choose episode |
| 07:11:48 | Angel_of_Death | umm |
| 07:11:50 | speacial_ed | no try starting it |
| 07:11:52 | Angel_of_Death | i hadnt noticed |
| 07:11:56 | Angel_of_Death | hold on |
| 07:12:00 | speacial_ed | itll list 3 episodes |
| 07:12:02 | Angel_of_Death | k where? |
| 07:12:05 | speacial_ed | only the 1st works |
| 07:12:07 | speacial_ed | just go to new game |
| 07:12:09 | speacial_ed | youll see |
| 07:12:11 | speacial_ed | in doom1 |
| 07:12:12 | |Josh| | 20% (of a 1.5MB file. Darn dialup.) |
| 07:12:47 | Angel_of_Death | oh |
| 07:12:51 | Angel_of_Death | google it |
| 07:13:08 | |Josh| | how do you specify a directory to extract too with tar? |
| 07:13:09 | speacial_ed | well are they more .wads or what? |
| 07:13:22 | speacial_ed | or do you not know? |
| 07:13:25 | Angel_of_Death | " i haven't the foggiest" |
| 07:13:30 | carini | tar xvzCf /dir/to/extract/to /file/to/extract/tar.gz |
| 07:13:33 | speacial_ed | i think its cause its shareware |
| 07:13:38 | speacial_ed | i need the orinal .wad |
| 07:13:42 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 07:13:45 | Angel_of_Death | that makes sense |
| 07:13:49 | speacial_ed | just thought of that |
| 07:13:53 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 07:13:58 | Angel_of_Death | that just occured to me to lol |
| 07:14:21 | speacial_ed | i havent seen that doom disc in ages |
| 07:14:25 | speacial_ed | blah |
| 07:14:37 | speacial_ed | i do not feel like going through my garage for that |
| 07:14:38 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:14:43 | Angel_of_Death | ebay for 3 bucks i bet |
| 07:14:51 | Angel_of_Death | oh better yet |
| 07:14:54 | Angel_of_Death | try bit torrent |
| 07:14:58 | speacial_ed | i was about to say that |
| 07:15:07 | speacial_ed | were on the same page here |
| 07:15:12 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:15:16 | Angel_of_Death | great minds think alike |
| 07:15:32 | |Josh| | Alright.. thanks for all your help. Its nearing 1:15 here, so I need to be getting to bed. I'll see if I can't finish installing this tommorow. |
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| 07:15:48 | Angel_of_Death | whoa its 1.15 here to! |
| 07:15:53 | Angel_of_Death | its gettin late! |
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| 07:17:02 | speacial_ed | 10:16 here |
| 07:17:26 | speacial_ed | ive got a bit |
| 07:18:07 | Angel_of_Death | well |
| 07:18:12 | Angel_of_Death | i will prolly be up till 3 |
| 07:18:15 | Angel_of_Death | spring break this week |
| 07:19:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:19:45 | speacial_ed | nice |
| 07:19:49 | speacial_ed | mine was last week |
| 07:20:00 | speacial_ed | um i cant find any doom1.wads by themself |
| 07:20:08 | speacial_ed | only a large pack of all sierra games |
| 07:20:20 | Angel_of_Death | link plz |
| 07:20:25 | speacial_ed | sec |
| 07:20:46 | | Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 07:20:52 | speacial_ed | http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3335190 |
| 07:20:54 | |Josh| | one last thing.. |
| 07:21:18 | speacial_ed | theres doom.wad doom2.wad and doomu.wad (ultimate) |
| 07:21:19 | |Josh| | I'm trying to tar that tar.gz, but it can't find /dev/sdb3 (not a directory) |
| 07:21:23 | speacial_ed | can ultimate run on ipod? |
| 07:21:24 | |Josh| | I assume I have to mount it? |
| 07:21:48 | Angel_of_Death | dont know |
| 07:21:57 | Angel_of_Death | lets check on torrentspy |
| 07:22:04 | speacial_ed | was just there |
| 07:22:14 | Angel_of_Death | what about mininova.org? |
| 07:22:14 | speacial_ed | same thing |
| 07:22:19 | speacial_ed | didnt check there |
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| 07:22:40 | |Josh| | never mind. stupid question |
| 07:23:38 | speacial_ed | coming up with alot of the doom movie... but that sit |
| 07:23:50 | Angel_of_Death | put *game* in there |
| 07:23:54 | Angel_of_Death | i got 2 results |
| 07:23:58 | Angel_of_Death | but niether had seeds |
| 07:24:25 | | Quit |Josh| ("Leaving") |
| 07:24:30 | Angel_of_Death | duno |
| 07:25:28 | speacial_ed | collectors edition |
| 07:25:32 | speacial_ed | i imagine its the same doom |
| 07:25:35 | speacial_ed | but will it work? |
| 07:26:57 | | Quit quobl ("Leaving") |
| 07:28:20 | speacial_ed | well angel i got school tomorrow |
| 07:28:40 | speacial_ed | im gonna head to bed but if you find one let me know ill be on here tomorrow probably |
| 07:30:24 | Angel_of_Death | i will prolly get one |
| 07:30:27 | Angel_of_Death | ill let u know |
| 07:32:49 | Angel_of_Death | speacial_ed, u still here bro? |
| 07:33:04 | speacial_ed | yeah |
| 07:33:06 | speacial_ed | for a minute |
| 07:33:10 | speacial_ed | just trying the .wads i got |
| 07:33:21 | Angel_of_Death | i think i have the full version on a disk |
| 07:33:30 | Angel_of_Death | hm! |
| 07:33:30 | speacial_ed | doom? |
| 07:33:32 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 07:33:43 | speacial_ed | o man just the .wad would be great if you do |
| 07:34:03 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:34:22 | Angel_of_Death | hey bg |
| 07:34:52 | | Part carini |
| 07:35:01 | speacial_ed | find it? |
| 07:35:08 | Angel_of_Death | its on brothers pc |
| 07:35:10 | Angel_of_Death | hold up |
| 07:35:23 | Angel_of_Death | hes checking |
| 07:35:38 | Angel_of_Death | gah all this talk about doom |
| 07:35:41 | Angel_of_Death | i need to see that movie |
| 07:35:45 | Angel_of_Death | lol still havent seen it |
| 07:35:46 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 07:35:47 | speacial_ed | i havent either |
| 07:35:48 | Bg3r | wiki spam ... |
| 07:35:53 | speacial_ed | my brother and friend did |
| 07:35:55 | Bg3r | Bagder ? |
| 07:35:57 | speacial_ed | one says its great the other says it sucks |
| 07:36:08 | Galois | who's in charge of the wiki spam? |
| 07:36:09 | Angel_of_Death | yeah i had similar conversations |
| 07:36:31 | Angel_of_Death | he says he has ultimate doom, and doom2 |
| 07:36:33 | speacial_ed | did you get twilight.wad? mine wont work... same error i had with halflife |
| 07:36:45 | Angel_of_Death | i didn't try that one |
| 07:37:06 | speacial_ed | k |
| 07:37:07 | Angel_of_Death | sometimes doom just has an error tho |
| 07:37:08 | Angel_of_Death | and u just reload and it works |
| 07:37:09 | speacial_ed | ill try again |
| 07:37:32 | Angel_of_Death | k im gona try ultimate doom *fingers crossed* |
| 07:39:32 | speacial_ed | any luck? |
| 07:39:51 | Angel_of_Death | lol i made him close his tv show |
| 07:40:01 | Angel_of_Death | he accidently closed 24 while looking for it |
| 07:40:11 | Angel_of_Death | so now he wont get it untill he finishes it |
| 07:40:13 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 07:40:16 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:40:50 | speacial_ed | tell him its for a good cause, so its ok |
| 07:41:14 | afruff23 | close his TV show? |
| 07:41:18 | afruff23 | do you own a station? |
| 07:41:22 | Angel_of_Death | no |
| 07:41:30 | Angel_of_Death | he has class during 24 |
| 07:41:33 | Angel_of_Death | so he downloads it |
| 07:41:36 | Angel_of_Death | and he was watching it |
| 07:41:42 | afruff23 | I saw 24 just a few hours ago |
| 07:41:46 | Angel_of_Death | me to |
| 07:41:48 | afruff23 | how'd it get on the web so quick |
| 07:41:49 | Angel_of_Death | it was very good |
| 07:42:05 | Angel_of_Death | lol, usually its on the web right when the episode ends |
| 07:42:13 | afruff23 | neat |
| 07:42:14 | Angel_of_Death | u can also get a live stream on ur pc while its on tv |
| 07:42:23 | Angel_of_Death | well actually its about 15 seconds delayed |
| 07:42:24 | afruff23 | and it takes apple a day to put up Lost |
| 07:42:26 | afruff23 | LOL |
| 07:42:29 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:42:43 | Angel_of_Death | did u watch prison break? |
| 07:42:44 | speacial_ed | twilight worked now to angel |
| 07:42:47 | afruff23 | no |
| 07:42:48 | Angel_of_Death | k ed |
| 07:42:49 | speacial_ed | so awesome they all worked |
| 07:42:50 | speacial_ed | i did |
| 07:42:53 | speacial_ed | watch prison break |
| 07:42:54 | Angel_of_Death | it was good |
| 07:42:55 | speacial_ed | that is |
| 07:42:58 | speacial_ed | it was indeed |
| 07:43:00 | afruff23 | I do normally |
| 07:43:00 | Angel_of_Death | the unit is on tomorrow |
| 07:43:07 | Angel_of_Death | the unit is good to |
| 07:43:08 | afruff23 | but it's so bovious they're never gonna get out |
| 07:43:13 | afruff23 | obvious* |
| 07:43:15 | Angel_of_Death | lol i think they are |
| 07:43:25 | afruff23 | no, then what would the show be? |
| 07:43:26 | Angel_of_Death | its suposed to look imposible |
| 07:43:34 | Angel_of_Death | so u think its that much more awesome when they do :P |
| 07:43:43 | Angel_of_Death | no thats how they will end it |
| 07:43:48 | afruff23 | it's just a big tease |
| 07:43:50 | Angel_of_Death | every show has an end |
| 07:43:55 | Angel_of_Death | yeah true |
| 07:44:06 | Angel_of_Death | i think they will drag it out a long time |
| 07:44:07 | Angel_of_Death | but they cant drag it past another season |
| 07:44:16 | afruff23 | people will grow wise to the tease and stop watching |
| 07:44:17 | speacial_ed | any progress on the doom? |
| 07:44:30 | afruff23 | then there will be no staisfying finale |
| 07:44:32 | Angel_of_Death | he gave me the wrong one lol |
| 07:44:34 | afruff23 | satisfying* |
| 07:44:45 | Angel_of_Death | even at a tease |
| 07:44:47 | Angel_of_Death | its still a good show |
| 07:44:53 | afruff23 | I like the smart guy in prison break though |
| 07:44:59 | afruff23 | I've seen him soemwhere |
| 07:45:00 | Angel_of_Death | micheal sciolfield |
| 07:45:02 | afruff23 | yea |
| 07:45:07 | afruff23 | nto like like |
| 07:45:10 | afruff23 | but as an actor |
| 07:45:11 | Angel_of_Death | i know what u mean |
| 07:45:19 | Angel_of_Death | i like jessica alba :P |
| 07:45:27 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 07:45:34 | nave7693 | hey she's hot |
| 07:45:38 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:45:44 | Angel_of_Death | first thing ive seen u say nave |
| 07:46:06 | Angel_of_Death | gettin it now ed |
| 07:46:09 | afruff23 | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0589505/ |
| 07:46:13 | afruff23 | I saw underworld |
| 07:46:14 | Angel_of_Death | ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG! |
| 07:46:19 | afruff23 | but I don't rememebr it much |
| 07:46:43 | afruff23 | it's jsut soemthing about him that I asmire |
| 07:46:47 | afruff23 | admire* |
| 07:46:55 | afruff23 | just something* |
| 07:46:57 | Slasheri | morning.. goths, whatever :D |
| 07:47:04 | Angel_of_Death | dude i cant wait till "the sentinel" |
| 07:47:17 | nave7693 | looks to me like another 24 |
| 07:47:25 | afruff23 | does anybody remember Fastlane on Fox |
| 07:47:33 | Angel_of_Death | i know |
| 07:47:36 | afruff23 | that show was sweet |
| 07:47:37 | Angel_of_Death | thats why i wanna see it |
| 07:47:37 | speacial_ed | well angel im going to bed dude |
| 07:47:41 | afruff23 | why'd they cancel |
| 07:47:48 | Angel_of_Death | aight |
| 07:48:00 | speacial_ed | ill be on tomorrow so watch for me and if it works hit me up with it |
| 07:48:04 | Angel_of_Death | got it! |
| 07:48:06 | speacial_ed | but see ya |
| 07:48:07 | Angel_of_Death | lets see if it works |
| 07:48:08 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:48:15 | Angel_of_Death | ultimate doom |
| 07:48:21 | Angel_of_Death | ill work on gettin doom1 |
| 07:48:32 | speacial_ed | k |
| 07:48:34 | speacial_ed | see ya man |
| 07:48:36 | Angel_of_Death | later |
| 07:48:38 | Angel_of_Death | nite |
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| 07:49:45 | * | afruff23 is calcualting pixel positions for his WPS which is annoying sicne the coordinate system starts at 0 |
| 07:49:49 | afruff23 | since* |
| 07:49:59 | Angel_of_Death | u making a wps? |
| 07:50:02 | afruff23 | yes |
| 07:50:07 | Angel_of_Death | for a 5g? |
| 07:50:08 | afruff23 | for the X5 |
| 07:50:10 | Angel_of_Death | oh |
| 07:50:14 | Angel_of_Death | nvm then! lol |
| 07:50:25 | afruff23 | it's optimized for the small screen |
| 07:50:42 | afruff23 | since all the ones out now are either too plain or too packed |
| 07:50:46 | afruff23 | for the X5 that is |
| 07:51:47 | afruff23 | If the 5G had better battery life then I wold've gotten it over my X5 |
| 07:51:53 | afruff23 | would've* |
| 07:52:01 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:52:07 | Angel_of_Death | i bring a charger to school :P |
| 07:52:40 | afruff23 | It also would help if the iPod didn't use a proprietary port |
| 07:53:06 | Angel_of_Death | yay! |
| 07:53:16 | afruff23 | I can just buy any USb cable with a mini-B 5 pin |
| 07:53:34 | afruff23 | which costs like $4 |
| 07:54:05 | afruff23 | any suggestions for a backdrop? |
| 07:54:22 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 07:54:25 | Angel_of_Death | want me to send u one? |
| 07:54:29 | Angel_of_Death | ude have to resize |
| 07:54:34 | afruff23 | just description |
| 07:54:40 | afruff23 | I want it to be from scratch |
| 07:54:43 | Angel_of_Death | here |
| 07:54:49 | Angel_of_Death | heres inspiration |
| 07:55:07 | afruff23 | ...where? |
| 07:55:16 | Angel_of_Death | those are both good |
| 07:55:27 | afruff23 | what |
| 07:55:35 | afruff23 | you didn't give links |
| 07:55:43 | Angel_of_Death | accept |
| 07:55:50 | Angel_of_Death | im sending to u thru IRC |
| 07:56:00 | afruff23 | I don't know how to recieve |
| 07:56:12 | afruff23 | no message came up either |
| 07:56:22 | Angel_of_Death | i duno then |
| 07:56:22 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:56:33 | Angel_of_Death | cancelled them |
| 07:56:40 | Angel_of_Death | how about.... |
| 07:56:43 | Angel_of_Death | i dont know |
| 07:56:49 | Angel_of_Death | a lion eating a whale |
| 07:56:52 | Angel_of_Death | yes that would be cool |
| 07:56:53 | afruff23 | if you can't describe it in words, then it is probably a bad backdrop |
| 07:57:03 | afruff23 | that's bad |
| 07:57:05 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:57:07 | afruff23 | that would obstruct view |
| 07:57:10 | Angel_of_Death | it was suposed to be :P |
| 07:57:20 | Angel_of_Death | i dont know im using the backdrop that came with the theme |
| 07:57:35 | afruff23 | is it really that? |
| 07:57:48 | Angel_of_Death | no |
| 07:57:51 | Angel_of_Death | i just made that up |
| 07:57:52 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:57:56 | afruff23 | use tinypic.com |
| 07:58:09 | afruff23 | no username or password |
| 07:58:33 | Angel_of_Death | for my backdrop? |
| 07:58:40 | afruff23 | to send me the pic |
| 07:58:45 | Angel_of_Death | no its fine lol |
| 07:58:59 | afruff23 | are you a Slayer fan? |
| 07:59:08 | Angel_of_Death | guess not, whose slayer? |
| 07:59:15 | afruff23 | a band |
| 07:59:20 | Angel_of_Death | nope |
| 07:59:23 | afruff23 | with a song called Angel of Death |
| 07:59:28 | Angel_of_Death | oh |
| 07:59:37 | afruff23 | they're thrash metal |
| 07:59:40 | afruff23 | like Metallica |
| 07:59:42 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:59:48 | Angel_of_Death | ever heard of blindside? |
| 07:59:55 | afruff23 | they're one of the big 4 of thrash |
| 07:59:55 | afruff23 | no |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:00 | Angel_of_Death | they are aight |
| 08:00:26 | afruff23 | if you like heavy rock, then I suggest you check out that song |
| 08:00:33 | afruff23 | heavy rock/metal |
| 08:00:43 | Angel_of_Death | maybe ill download it and see if its to my liking |
| 08:00:43 | afruff23 | it's ahrd to tell the difference |
| 08:00:44 | afruff23 | lol |
| 08:00:49 | afruff23 | hard* |
| 08:02:06 | afruff23 | what bout this for a backdrop? |
| 08:02:07 | afruff23 | http://www.ssod.org/images/backdrop.jpg |
| 08:02:11 | afruff23 | scaled down of course |
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| 08:02:56 | Angel_of_Death | dont like it for 2 reasons |
| 08:03:09 | Angel_of_Death | 1 to much black, the more black the faster ur battery goes |
| 08:03:13 | Angel_of_Death | and 2, its almost pure black |
| 08:03:17 | Angel_of_Death | theres hardly an image there |
| 08:03:27 | afruff23 | I thoguht it was pure black |
| 08:03:30 | afruff23 | I jsut saw it quickly |
| 08:03:34 | afruff23 | and posted it |
| 08:03:36 | afruff23 | as a joke |
| 08:03:38 | afruff23 | lol |
| 08:03:44 | afruff23 | I didn't notice that red part |
| 08:03:45 | Angel_of_Death | well |
| 08:03:52 | Angel_of_Death | why wouldnt u just set ur background to black then? |
| 08:03:54 | afruff23 | it was a joke |
| 08:04:00 | Angel_of_Death | ok. |
| 08:04:06 | afruff23 | I wouldn't want black |
| 08:04:09 | Angel_of_Death | a comedian in the house |
| 08:04:13 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 08:04:37 | afruff23 | I cna't find inspiration for a good backdro |
| 08:04:42 | afruff23 | they're all either too plain |
| 08:04:46 | afruff23 | or obstruct view |
| 08:04:57 | Angel_of_Death | clouds |
| 08:05:00 | Angel_of_Death | landscape |
| 08:05:03 | Angel_of_Death | beach |
| 08:05:05 | Angel_of_Death | sunsets |
| 08:05:10 | Angel_of_Death | chicks |
| 08:05:10 | afruff23 | beach is too bright |
| 08:05:23 | afruff23 | chick would eb too distracting |
| 08:05:25 | afruff23 | be* |
| 08:05:40 | Angel_of_Death | then u wouldnt like my backdrops i was gonna send u :P |
| 08:05:41 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 08:05:43 | Angel_of_Death | i dont use them tho |
| 08:06:01 | afruff23 | http://uoregon.edu/~arobak/images/cloud(best).jpg |
| 08:06:03 | afruff23 | cloud |
| 08:06:16 | afruff23 | that would osbtruct though |
| 08:06:21 | afruff23 | obstruct* |
| 08:06:33 | Angel_of_Death | not found |
| 08:06:54 | afruff23 | http://uoregon.edu/~arobak/images/cloud(best).jpg |
| 08:06:59 | afruff23 | you sure? |
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| 08:07:10 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 08:07:14 | Angel_of_Death | i just tryed again |
| 08:07:27 | Angel_of_Death | oh |
| 08:07:29 | Angel_of_Death | got it |
| 08:07:33 | Angel_of_Death | u and ur () in ur links |
| 08:08:07 | Angel_of_Death | lemme find something |
| 08:08:18 | afruff23 | I'm thinking of making a gradient |
| 08:08:34 | Bagder | Bg3r: yes? |
| 08:08:49 | afruff23 | what?!?!? |
| 08:09:02 | afruff23 | bg3r hasn't talked in a while |
| 08:09:15 | Bagder | sure he has |
| 08:09:16 | afruff23 | are you sleeptypign? |
| 08:09:19 | Bagder | 34 mins ago |
| 08:09:20 | Angel_of_Death | listening to angel of death |
| 08:09:24 | afruff23 | sleeptyping* |
| 08:09:41 | Angel_of_Death | so far sounds to hardcore for me |
| 08:09:45 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 08:09:48 | Angel_of_Death | thats not music |
| 08:09:50 | afruff23 | that' what I was gonna say |
| 08:09:56 | afruff23 | might be too ahrd for soem |
| 08:09:59 | afruff23 | hard* |
| 08:10:06 | Angel_of_Death | thats just noise brotha |
| 08:10:09 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 08:10:14 | afruff23 | says you |
| 08:10:21 | Angel_of_Death | u like em? |
| 08:10:24 | afruff23 | just so you know I'm not a goth or anything |
| 08:10:32 | Angel_of_Death | wouldnt think u are. |
| 08:11:02 | afruff23 | I like hard stuff ebcause of the nice drums and fast guitar |
| 08:11:08 | afruff23 | because* |
| 08:11:29 | Angel_of_Death | yes me to |
| 08:11:34 | afruff23 | like the drums in Fear Factory-Slave Labor |
| 08:11:36 | Angel_of_Death | but sometimes the voice is to much |
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| 08:12:45 | afruff23 | the itnro guitars to Angel of Death are pretty sweet though |
| 08:12:51 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 08:12:54 | Angel_of_Death | it is |
| 08:13:48 | midkay | Bagder, does puts_scroll only scroll the UI font or something? .. i call it in the quickscreen and even though the font is set to sysfixed, once it begins scrolling it only does so with the UI font. |
| 08:13:54 | afruff23 | Slayer is accused of being racist on many occasions |
| 08:14:07 | midkay | i tried moving the setfonts to a place where they absolutely wouldn't change during the running of the quickscreen, it still only scrolls the ui font. |
| 08:14:14 | afruff23 | but they refute with the argument that they have a Hispanic member |
| 08:14:42 | Bagder | midkay: I'm not sure |
| 08:14:54 | afruff23 | sorry for getting off-topic |
| 08:14:58 | afruff23 | I'll leave |
| 08:15:02 | midkay | Bagder, hm :\ not sure what to do. |
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| 08:15:09 | Angel_of_Death | u might like ASG |
| 08:15:17 | Angel_of_Death | they have no voices in like all there songs almost |
| 08:15:25 | Angel_of_Death | just guitar and drums and stuff |
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| 08:15:48 | Angel_of_Death | the Showdown is good to |
| 08:15:55 | Angel_of_Death | they have double kick drums which sound awesome |
| 08:16:11 | midkay | Bagder, well, i'll commit it as-is and maybe try to figure that out later, it's not a 'new' bug... and, no rush, but any thoughts on the bounce conundrum yet? my todo list is shrinking, you can't put it off forever! ;) |
| 08:16:31 | Bagder | well, _my_ todo list is growing... |
| 08:16:54 | Bagder | sorry, but bounce.c is not my top prio work |
| 08:17:05 | midkay | haha, got it |
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| 08:18:15 | midkay | i guess that can come as late as you want it to, i'll just stick with the multiples that are available for now.. can always change later |
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| 08:26:18 | Angel_of_Death | ok |
| 08:26:30 | Angel_of_Death | i hope within the next few daily builds they will fix the sounds on DOOM |
| 08:26:36 | Angel_of_Death | even tho i know its probably there least concern |
| 08:26:50 | Angel_of_Death | but have u heard the sounds? sounds like dying birds when u shoot ppl lol |
| 08:27:30 | Bagder | rockbox is not "they", rockbox is "we" ! |
| 08:28:54 | Angel_of_Death | no, to me, its they |
| 08:30:02 | Angel_of_Death | Hey heres a question thats in the wrong IRC chat |
| 08:30:19 | Angel_of_Death | does any1 know how to invert the colors of the windows, start bar and windows? |
| 08:30:44 | Angel_of_Death | like u can pick between blue (default), silver, and olive green... but u can also invert the silver |
| 08:30:46 | Angel_of_Death | i just dont remeber how |
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| 08:40:44 | midkay | Bagder? |
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| 08:43:58 | Bagder | yes? |
| 08:45:01 | midkay | just had an idea for the cvs builds page.. when a build is in progress, it says "Build expected to complete around xx:xx:xx (xxmin xxsec)" iirc - how hard would it be to make the xxmin xxsec actually count down until the expected time? |
| 08:45:09 | Bg3r | Bagder what about a place @ rockbox.org for fonts ? |
| 08:45:17 | Bg3r | (regarding http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5053) |
| 08:45:20 | midkay | should be rather simple, just expected_time minus current_time, and update every 5s or something.. |
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| 08:45:43 | Bagder | Bg3r: sure, I'd like that |
| 08:45:49 | Bagder | midkay: no, its not that simple |
| 08:45:52 | midkay | Bg3r, wiki page? |
| 08:46:04 | midkay | Bagder, oh :( |
| 08:46:26 | Bg3r | midkay hm .. |
| 08:46:29 | midkay | a nice challenge for Mr. Script if he ever wants one :) |
| 08:46:44 | midkay | Bg3r, that'd be best i think, so everyone can contribute fonts that they create, or something :) |
| 08:47:02 | midkay | http://rockbox.org/fonts has all the included ones i think |
| 08:47:08 | midkay | yeah. |
| 08:47:35 | Bg3r | okay, but it's good to have them both in .fnt and .bdf formats |
| 08:47:43 | midkay | converting that to a wiki page would be a nice start, and then adding could begin.. maybe two sections, "standard fonts" and "user-submitted fonts" |
| 08:47:58 | midkay | well, ask the user to submit in both formats if he decides to submit a custom font :) |
| 08:48:53 | Bg3r | midkay i think we must require the .bdf source .. |
| 08:49:30 | midkay | so, "you *must* submit the .bdf source along with your compiled .fnt or your font will be removed from the server" or something. |
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| 08:53:06 | * | Bagder blocks two chinese C nets from rockbox.org |
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| 08:54:25 | Bagder | bloody spammers |
| 08:54:49 | midkay | spam sux!! |
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| 08:58:27 | Angel_of_Death | lol what? |
| 08:58:57 | Angel_of_Death | nite! |
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| 09:01:01 | emiglio | um, any one feel like being tech support for a rock box install on a mac? |
| 09:05:30 | Bagder | you followed the wiki docs? |
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| 09:16:11 | emiglio | ah sry, im following the tut on the site here |
| 09:17:56 | | Join solexx___ [0] (n=jrschulz@c211114.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 09:17:59 | emiglio | im having issues copying the firmware, it says its "Firmware-13.6.1" for 5th gen but all i have in the folder is " Firmware-13.6.1.1" |
| 09:18:09 | emiglio | im having issues copying the firmware, it says its "Firmware-13.6.1" for 5th gen but all i have in the folder is " Firmware-13.6.1.1" |
| 09:19:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:19:53 | Bagder | you following http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX ? |
| 09:21:38 | JdGordon | will the cahrge time between a 5v2A chanrger and a 5V1.5A charger be much different for a h300? |
| 09:22:36 | petur | none |
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| 09:23:15 | petur | unless it would not give enough current |
| 09:23:23 | emiglio | yeah |
| 09:24:21 | JdGordon | ok, now what about 4.5V against 5V ? |
| 09:24:45 | petur | there's a thread on MR about chargers |
| 09:26:16 | petur | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32297 |
| 09:26:32 | JdGordon | cheers |
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| 09:54:56 | JdGordon | haha, ive found another rockbox... this 1 is a torrent tracker :D |
| 09:55:40 | Bagder | add it to the pile => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OtherRockbox |
| 09:56:12 | JdGordon | u prob dont want to link to potentially illegal sites tho do u? |
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| 10:04:09 | Bagder | we don't have any wiki page with lcd FPS numbers, do we? |
| 10:04:45 | petur | amiconn was going to put it *somewhere* ;) |
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| 10:05:03 | Bagder | I'm trying it on my x5 now |
| 10:05:41 | Bagder | 71.5 / 289 in 124MHz |
| 10:06:21 | Bagder | 23.5 / 95 in 45MHz |
| 10:06:31 | petur | yuck |
| 10:06:41 | Bagder | yeah :-/ |
| 10:07:50 | Bagder | but the x5 lcd driver still has room for optimizations |
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| 10:11:25 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 10:11:26 | Bagder | my start |
| 10:13:46 | petur | good idea to add the version of the lcd driver next to it |
| 10:14:16 | Bagder | it should make it easier to compare between driver changes |
| 10:14:28 | petur | yep - what i meant ;) |
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| 10:20:07 | Bagder | aah |
| 10:20:17 | Bagder | lostlogic has a sh-gcc 3.4.X |
| 10:20:32 | Bagder | it makes a too large binary and thus he build fails on his server |
| 10:20:59 | Bagder | that explais the red |
| 10:21:02 | Bagder | explains |
| 10:28:43 | man_in_shack | http://secure.serverlab.net/shop/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=9120&Category_Code=MultiMedia&Store_Code=T00107 << :O |
| 10:28:50 | man_in_shack | wish that was supported by rockbox |
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| 10:29:34 | Bagder | go go go ;-) |
| 10:32:50 | Bagder | whoa |
| 10:32:53 | Bagder | 600USD |
| 10:33:17 | petur | or this (cheaper) http://secure.serverlab.net/shop/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=8060&Category_Code=MultiMedia&Store_Code=T00107 |
| 10:33:56 | Bagder | the MVP does video at 30 fps |
| 10:34:02 | Bagder | indicating some fancy hw for that |
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| 10:50:09 | * | Bagder pats his trustworthy old paperclip |
| 10:51:01 | petur | never leave home without it |
| 10:51:24 | * | Bagder hasn't left home today ;-) |
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| 10:52:22 | petur | last friday I got a bit of a laugh from my coworkers as wanted to leave work but had to come back for a paperclip to reset my h340 ;) |
| 10:52:42 | Bagder | haha |
| 10:52:52 | Bagder | I've done the exact same |
| 10:53:11 | Galois | which is why the ipod reset button is superior... |
| 10:53:28 | midkay | Bagder, nice idea for the LcdFrameRate page. i just updated it to be like the battery/runtime pages, a chart to make data gathering easier. what do you think? |
| 10:53:50 | Bagder | I think good! |
| 10:53:58 | midkay | wheeee :) |
| 10:53:59 | * | Bagder just moved the framebuffer to iram on his x5 |
| 10:54:09 | midkay | faster? |
| 10:54:12 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:54:16 | midkay | how much? |
| 10:54:29 | Bagder | => 101 / 409 in full speed |
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| 10:54:40 | midkay | wow |
| 10:54:50 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 10:54:55 | Bagder | the x5 has 32K extra iram compared to the irivers |
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| 10:54:57 | midkay | i'd like to try that on my iPod :) |
| 10:55:07 | midkay | very interesting.. |
| 10:55:10 | Bagder | ... which we don't currently use |
| 10:55:20 | midkay | i'll gather lcd FPS data for my ipod 5g now.. |
| 10:55:39 | Bagder | midkay: its 124MHz, not 75 on the x5 |
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| 10:55:50 | midkay | Bagder, what? oops.. |
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| 10:56:12 | midkay | i'll correct that during my addition of 5G data (within a few minutes) |
| 10:56:38 | Bagder | sure |
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| 11:02:14 | midkay | Bagder, where did your bytes/sec measurement comef rom? |
| 11:02:30 | Bagder | max fps x width x height x depth = |
| 11:02:47 | midkay | ah, oui oui oui ja ja. |
| 11:03:08 | Bagder | just because the fps is a little misleading for the very large displays |
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| 11:05:54 | midkay | wtf.. hm. |
| 11:06:05 | midkay | i guess the 5g's way faster, intersting |
| 11:06:35 | midkay | wait.. you said 160x128x2? |
| 11:06:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:06:42 | midkay | it's x16, right? |
| 11:06:43 | Bagder | 2 bytes |
| 11:06:49 | Bagder | 16 bits |
| 11:06:52 | midkay | oh. |
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| 11:07:56 | midkay | k, updated.. |
| 11:08:47 | midkay | Bagder, how did you move the framebuffer to IRAM, and should that work for the iPods too? i'd really like to try it.. |
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| 11:09:15 | Bagder | you have too large buffer and too small iram I'd say |
| 11:09:53 | midkay | could i take anything else out of IRAM to make room or something? :) |
| 11:10:12 | Bagder | no, 320*240*2 is bigger than the whole iram |
| 11:10:16 | linuxstb | midkay: The 5g's framebuffer is 153600 bytes... IRAM is 128KB... |
| 11:10:26 | midkay | blast. |
| 11:10:30 | midkay | just.. blast. |
| 11:10:34 | Bagder | linuxstb: 128? |
| 11:10:34 | midkay | let's move 3/4 of it! |
| 11:10:35 | linuxstb | Also, IRAM doesn't seem to make much of a difference on the ipods anyway. |
| 11:10:51 | linuxstb | Bagder: For the 5g, Nano and 2nd Gen Mini. |
| 11:10:55 | Bagder | ok |
| 11:11:00 | midkay | let's overclock the iram to make room!!! :( |
| 11:11:02 | linuxstb | The others are 96KB. |
| 11:11:03 | Bagder | I see we don't use that either |
| 11:11:20 | linuxstb | Nope... |
| 11:11:35 | midkay | let's defy the laws of physics, reason and logic in order to fit 153kb-ish of crap into a 128KB bit of memory! |
| 11:11:53 | linuxstb | You could run-length encode it.... |
| 11:12:07 | petur | hehe |
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| 11:13:39 | Bagder | nano and mini2g can most likely get their buffers into iram |
| 11:13:47 | Bagder | if it makes any diff |
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| 11:18:25 | petur | Ho |
| 11:18:32 | petur | Let's go |
| 11:18:43 | Bagder | lemmings? |
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| 11:19:00 | ThatThereSome1 | hehe |
| 11:19:05 | ThatThereSome1 | old school games rule..... |
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| 11:22:41 | linuxstb | preglow: Any ideas how we can introduce a second FIQ handler on the ipods (for recording)? |
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| 11:25:18 | * | amiconn wonders about Bagder's extra #ifdef/#endif in test_fps |
| 11:25:24 | amiconn | Why not #elif ? |
| 11:25:34 | * | midkay was just this moment semi-wondering the same thing. how odd./ |
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| 11:26:21 | ThatThereSome1 | what u guys working on? |
| 11:26:52 | Bagder | amiconn: just old fashion #elif paranoia playing tricks |
| 11:26:58 | Bagder | fashioned |
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| 11:27:29 | Bagder | I'm so used to avoiding it I avoid it always ;-) |
| 11:27:59 | midkay | uh-oh.. something's broken! cvs table.. apparently rombox is no longer working for v2? |
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| 11:28:19 | * | midkay glares at Bagder |
| 11:28:23 | Bagder | its lostlogic's server using gcc 3.4 |
| 11:28:23 | midkay | thanks a lot. |
| 11:28:33 | Bagder | it had nothing to do with my change |
| 11:28:35 | midkay | no. no. no. it was your test_fps changes. |
| 11:28:40 | * | midkay continues glaring |
| 11:28:46 | Bagder | look again |
| 11:29:02 | * | midkay glares more furiously than ever before |
| 11:29:31 | Bagder | then look at my change and try to explain how that could add anything to rombox |
| 11:29:52 | midkay | it just.. it.. did, alright?! :) |
| 11:29:59 | midkay | i know it was you, okay. |
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| 11:31:51 | Bagder | lunch! |
| 11:31:59 | midkay | l8rz "B"!! |
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| 11:42:43 | Bg3r | any idea how to divide one .ape/.cue-ed CD into tracks ? (windows) |
| 11:43:51 | Mikachu | if winamp can play it by track, use wave writer and re encode maybe |
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| 11:44:32 | Bg3r | heh, this is a stupid way imho ... |
| 11:44:55 | Mikachu | it's lossless anyway |
| 11:44:57 | Bg3r | hm, what about writing it to a virtual cd ... |
| 11:45:02 | Bg3r | Mikachu depends ... |
| 11:45:16 | Bg3r | EQ etc ... |
| 11:45:25 | Mikachu | writing to a virtual cd is less stupid than wave files? |
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| 11:46:14 | Bg3r | Mikachu no offense, but i don't know what winamp does between track decoding and the output to a .wav |
| 11:46:22 | Bg3r | like volume etc... |
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| 11:47:13 | Mikachu | i doubt it does anything if you disable the eq |
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| 11:52:18 | JdGordon | ye, if the eq is off then there prob is no diff than burning to a virtual cd and reripping the tracks.. |
| 11:53:02 | Bg3r | hm |
| 11:53:34 | linuxstb | Bg3r: "shntool" can split files using a cue sheet. Not sure if it supports Ape, but I think it uses external command-line decoders/encoders, so it could be able to. |
| 11:54:12 | Bg3r | linuxstb 10x! |
| 11:54:26 | Bg3r | at least i can convert the .ape to .wav etc |
| 11:54:37 | linuxstb | According to this page, it supports Ape: http://www.etree.org/shnutils/shntool/ |
| 11:55:46 | Bg3r | ah, multiplatform tool, very good |
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| 11:57:16 | linuxstb | shntool is also useful for checking "losslessness". You can create an MD5 checksum of the uncompressed PCM data (not including the WAV header) in your original APE, and then after you split it, create a "composite" md5 checksum on the set of split files. These should match. |
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| 11:58:25 | Bg3r | okay, thank you for the advice ;) |
| 11:58:34 | linuxstb | That's for the really paranoid... |
| 11:58:53 | Bg3r | haha yes :) |
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| 12:09:27 | preglow | linuxstb: i would have thought ipl already had the how of it ready |
| 12:10:33 | linuxstb | preglow: IPL uses function pointers to call the appropriate FIQ handler. It's not the details of recording that's the problem, just simply how we can add a second FIQ handler in Rockbox without slowing down the playback FIQ. |
| 12:11:06 | amiconn | Bagder: Rombox for fm/v2 is broken since Slasheri's tagcache change yesterday :( |
| 12:11:45 | amiconn | Maybe an sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x adds to that and lets it already break in 'ld' |
| 12:12:14 | preglow | linuxstb: it'll pretty much have to slow down unless we swap fiq handlers depending on what features are currently enabled |
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| 12:12:57 | preglow | which probably means duplicating a lot of code |
| 12:13:29 | amiconn | preglow: What about full duplex operation? |
| 12:14:02 | preglow | do the two fiq handlers in ipl look similar? |
| 12:14:26 | preglow | i'm just hoping i can use the set of banked fiq regs for both fiq handlers |
| 12:15:01 | linuxstb | Yes, very similar. They both appear to be using the same FIFO - configured for either reading/writing. So I don't think we can have simultaneous playback and recording. |
| 12:15:46 | preglow | ahh, then horray |
| 12:15:48 | preglow | hooray too |
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| 12:16:29 | DarkJesus | Hi, everyone |
| 12:18:00 | linuxstb | preglow: How does your playback fiq initialise the banked registers? Will swapping between two different fiq() functions (e.g. using a function pointer) be troublesome? |
| 12:18:10 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 12:18:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Why not just swap the fiq vector? |
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| 12:20:21 | linuxstb | Yes, I've thought about that as well. It's a branch instruction, not just an address, but should work. |
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| 12:22:05 | preglow | linuxstb: depends if i can reuse them or not |
| 12:22:14 | preglow | linuxstb: currently, the regs are initialised in crt0.S, quite simply |
| 12:22:25 | preglow | during the different mode inits |
| 12:22:46 | linuxstb | Yes, I've noticed that. I'm assuming we could easily re-initialise them if needed. |
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| 12:24:50 | preglow | yeah |
| 12:24:59 | preglow | but find out if we can neglect full duplex, please :) |
| 12:25:50 | preglow | i'm using the fact that arm gives free address offseting quite a lot, and that'd be harder if we need to support both rec and playback at the same time |
| 12:27:05 | linuxstb | Yes, I'll confirm that when I look at the IPL recording code in detail. |
| 12:27:30 | Mikachu | heh, pressed Stop now and the music continued playing until the buffer was emptied |
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| 12:29:06 | Mikachu | but if i pause and the stop, the buffer it looks like the buffer is instantly discarded |
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| 12:30:48 | Mikachu | in the first case, it will even continue emptying the old buffer if i select a new playlist and start playing that |
| 12:30:58 | Mikachu | looks like it recovers gracefully from there on though |
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| 12:46:46 | ThatThereSome1 | hey |
| 12:46:51 | Jungti1234 | Perhaps Iriver is scant of money..... |
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| 12:51:56 | amiconn | Mikachu: What target? |
| 12:52:07 | Mikachu | nano |
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| 12:53:40 | amiconn | This is a strange effect; I reported it to lostlogic already. Didn't test on all swcodec targets yet with the new code, but I get this behaviour for a few days on H300 *only* |
| 12:54:15 | amiconn | On all of H1x0, mini 2G, and swcodec sims it doesn't happen... |
| 12:54:28 | Mikachu | the thing i described? |
| 12:54:32 | amiconn | yep |
| 12:54:37 | Mikachu | funny |
| 12:54:53 | amiconn | Seems like a race that depends on gfx update speed |
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| 12:56:13 | amiconn | Looks like there are still some event serialisation problems in the audio thread |
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| 13:16:35 | linuxstb | preglow: Seems I was mistaken - there seems to be independent record/playback FIFOs, so simultaneous recording and playback might be possible. |
| 13:17:55 | man_in_shack | hmmm ... |
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| 13:27:24 | preglow | bah |
| 13:27:30 | preglow | i don't want to do any register reloading in the fiq |
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| 13:31:57 | linuxstb | Does Rockbox itself support simultaneous playback and record? |
| 13:32:35 | preglow | no idea |
| 13:32:40 | preglow | but we should support it for radio and such |
| 13:33:34 | linuxstb | Radio isn't an issue on the ipods though. |
| 13:33:56 | Mikachu | there is a radio accessory |
| 13:34:00 | amiconn | preglow: Your effect box... |
| 13:34:20 | preglow | yeah, and that, but that'll either be a separate rockbox app or a plugin |
| 13:34:23 | linuxstb | Yes, but I doubt the audio goes anywhere near the ipod itself. It's just an external tuner that you plug the headphones directly into. |
| 13:35:36 | preglow | but yes |
| 13:35:43 | preglow | we should support full duplex if possible |
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| 13:38:17 | linuxstb | We should be able to identify the source of the interrupt (playback or recording FIFO) and then branch to the correct FIQ handler. This shouldn't involve any memory accesses (we already read the appropriate status register to reset the FIQ). |
| 13:39:14 | linuxstb | So I think my first implementation will simply add that check to your ASM playback FIQ, and call a C function to handle the recording FIQs. |
| 13:41:20 | lostlogic | Bagder: what version os sh-gcc should I have? |
| 13:41:26 | Bagder | 3.3.X |
| 13:41:34 | Bagder | 3.3.6 is the latest I think |
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| 13:41:42 | lostlogic | will downgrade. |
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| 13:42:57 | Bagder | anyway, with my patch it should be dead easy to make a test build for nano with the frambuffer in iram and see if it makes it faster |
| 13:43:50 | Mikachu | i can test if preglow is sleeping |
| 13:44:20 | Bagder | should be an added #define and two .lds lines changed |
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| 13:45:52 | Mikachu | i'm not sure what numbers i'd change to in the .lds |
| 13:46:03 | Bagder | c000 => 14000 |
| 13:46:14 | Bagder | for iram size |
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| 13:46:56 | Mikachu | i just have to go to the laundry room for a bit |
| 13:47:03 | Bagder | and do a make clean |
| 13:47:37 | Bagder | at least I had to |
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| 13:54:09 | lostlogic | bagh, gcc-3.3.6 failed to compile... trying non-parallel, JinC |
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| 13:54:37 | lostlogic | oh, there's a work around |
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| 14:08:00 | warthawg | i think my rockbox would sound better if the volume went all the way to 11 |
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| 14:14:22 | lostlogic | I wish mine went down to -60 or -70 |
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| 14:15:13 | * | petur points lostlogic to his stop button |
| 14:16:38 | lostlogic | petur: -57 is uncomfortably loud in a quiet office environment with shure E3 earphones. |
| 14:17:05 | lostlogic | for me. |
| 14:17:08 | petur | is that on ipod? |
| 14:17:18 | lostlogic | yeah |
| 14:17:18 | linuxstb | I think you can apply up to -127db of digital gain in the 5g's DAC. |
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| 14:18:29 | linuxstb | So we could extend the volume range, and use a combination of the analogue and digital volume controls. |
| 14:19:10 | lostlogic | not a bad idea. |
| 14:19:12 | linuxstb | In fact, there are a lot of features (such as the hardware EQ) which we are not using at the moment on the 5g. |
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| 14:20:13 | wehn | H300 goes down to -83, much better vol control than iriver's fw. |
| 14:21:26 | Mikachu | does volume affect battery life much? |
| 14:21:45 | XavierGr | not much |
| 14:21:57 | XavierGr | especially low-mid volume |
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| 14:22:05 | XavierGr | then it makes a small difference |
| 14:22:11 | XavierGr | 30-50mah more maybe |
| 14:22:55 | Bagder | you mean mA? |
| 14:23:01 | XavierGr | ah 50 os too much. I think Rob2222 said something about 30 |
| 14:23:07 | XavierGr | ah yes sorry |
| 14:23:19 | Mikachu | Bagder: hm |
| 14:23:20 | Bagder | 50 mA is a _lot_ |
| 14:23:23 | XavierGr | yes |
| 14:23:34 | XavierGr | There was a site that had a list |
| 14:23:45 | Mikachu | Bagder: nm, there is PP5020 instead of IPOD_ARCH |
| 14:23:45 | XavierGr | Rob made some measurements |
| 14:24:19 | linuxstb | Only problem with the digital volume control is that I think it's applied before the DAC - so it affects both the headphone and line out. You can specify the analogue gain independently for each output. |
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| 14:24:40 | Mikachu | Bagder: but 176*134*2/1024 is 46kB and 0x14000-0xc000 is only 32 kB, will it work? |
| 14:25:04 | Bagder | Mikachu: I'm quite sure as I believe there was already some spare space |
| 14:25:09 | Mikachu | okay |
| 14:25:13 | Bagder | but the linker will tell you if not |
| 14:25:56 | Bagder | at least in the x5 case I also added 32K but managed to add the ~40K frame buffer |
| 14:26:07 | Bagder | and there's actually still plenty of space left |
| 14:26:57 | Mikachu | do you have the limit lower than actual iram size to avoid unnecessary bloating? |
| 14:27:18 | Mikachu | /usr/local/ipod-chain/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (/home/mikaelh/code/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf section .stack) |
| 14:27:26 | Bagder | oh |
| 14:28:37 | linuxstb | ARM code seems to be much bigger than Coldfire, which might account for it. |
| 14:28:58 | Bagder | 0x10013c6c stackend = . |
| 14:29:03 | Bagder | (for x5) |
| 14:29:16 | Bagder | it wasn't really "plenty" |
| 14:29:30 | Bagder | sorry for being sloppy |
| 14:29:47 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, we have disabled the ICODE_ATTR for ARM targets in Tremor because it was too big... |
| 14:30:07 | Mikachu | how big is the iram for ipods? |
| 14:30:22 | Mikachu | there is an inlined function called in many places, if you uninline it you save 10kB or so |
| 14:30:24 | linuxstb | 128KB for the Nano |
| 14:30:52 | Mikachu | Bagder: i changed 14 to 15 and it linked |
| 14:30:52 | linuxstb | You can't have a function which is both in IRAM and inlined... |
| 14:31:14 | Mikachu | linuxstb: if the code it's inlined into is placed in iram, which i thought the whole codec was? |
| 14:31:27 | Mikachu | or only parts? |
| 14:31:28 | Bagder | Mikachu: ok, but then you're shrinking the iram size for the codecs |
| 14:31:29 | linuxstb | Ah, you're talking about Tremor, rather than the LCD problem? |
| 14:31:36 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 14:31:44 | amiconn | ICODE_ATTR makes no sense for an iniline function |
| 14:31:52 | amiconn | (at least if it's static inline) |
| 14:32:06 | Mikachu | if only parts of the codec are loaded in iram, ignore what i said |
| 14:32:18 | linuxstb | Yes, I think Tremor is mostly not in IRAM. |
| 14:32:25 | linuxstb | (in terms of code) |
| 14:32:25 | amiconn | If the function is inlined, it will be placed in whatever segment the parent function is placed |
| 14:32:30 | lostlogic | bagh, how are track pointers getting out of sync from the playing track!? |
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| 14:37:09 | Mikachu | Bagder: the scale here is wrong, but i get 201 and 792.5 without the change and 200.5 and 796.5 after the change |
| 14:37:13 | amiconn | Bagder: 101 fps at 124MHz with the framebuffer in IRAM seems quite slow to me |
| 14:37:27 | Bagder | amiconn: yes indeed |
| 14:37:37 | amiconn | On H300, we manage 134fps at 124MHz, with the framebuffer in SDRAM (!) |
| 14:37:55 | Bagder | Mikachu: hah, well then IRAM vs DRAM doesn't seem to make of a difference |
| 14:37:57 | amiconn | (and the framebuffer is almost twice as large) |
| 14:38:15 | preglow | ep0ch: you here? |
| 14:38:21 | amiconn | But on H300, we have an asm-optimised lcd_write_data() :-) |
| 14:38:36 | Bagder | yes, the x5 is not optmized |
| 14:38:59 | Mikachu | and in school they always tell us "modern compilers create better code than most good assembler programmers" :) |
| 14:39:12 | amiconn | I planned to have a go at that, including burst read. With IRAM, burst read won't make a difference |
| 14:39:32 | amiconn | Mikachu: Hahahahahahahaha. Maybe for x86.. |
| 14:39:46 | Bagder | there's always the risk that the framebuffer won't fit in IRAM in the long run |
| 14:40:11 | Bagder | they also say that java isn't slow ;-) |
| 14:40:56 | amiconn | Mikachu: I've seen numerous examples of gcc stupidity, for SH1 and coldfire... |
| 14:41:26 | amiconn | My favourite: |
| 14:41:33 | amiconn | move.l %d0,%d1 |
| 14:41:39 | amiconn | addq.l #4,%sp |
| 14:41:45 | amiconn | move.l %d1,%d0 |
| 14:41:47 | amiconn | rts |
| 14:41:54 | Bagder | a golden one |
| 14:42:10 | Mikachu | i'm only vaguely familiar with mips assembler |
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| 14:43:35 | preglow | amiconn: seems that particular stupidity isn't even target dependent |
| 14:43:44 | preglow | Mikachu: and that's m68k asm :P |
| 14:44:15 | Mikachu | yes, so i'm not familiar with it at all |
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| 14:46:36 | preglow | anyone on iriver want to test new crossfeed before i commit? |
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| 14:47:18 | warthawg | i am not familiar with mips assembler at all |
| 14:47:47 | warthawg | although i once sat at the same table where de icaza and tiemann were extolling the virtues of the architecture |
| 14:51:19 | amiconn | Bagder, linuxstb etc: I'll fill in the framerate page tonight. Just hafta redo the tests to note the 1/4lcd update speeds |
| 14:51:35 | amiconn | (my local table only hold full update speeds) |
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| 14:52:06 | Mikachu | Bagder: it may have given a 0.7 fps increase in doom, but i only ran the test once so it could be noise |
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| 14:53:10 | amiconn | I'll also add proper remote lcd support, and a slightly different cpu frequency printing to test_fps |
| 14:54:24 | amiconn | (and a check whether frequency changed during the test) |
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| 14:59:21 | preglow | all gui stuff is main thread, right? |
| 14:59:44 | * | Bagder managed to up it to 116 fps |
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| 15:00:08 | petur | speedfreaks ;) |
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| 15:03:05 | flatlander | where is the rockbox "bootloader" |
| 15:03:24 | flatlander | I can't find it on the download page |
| 15:03:38 | petur | what player? |
| 15:03:44 | flatlander | iRiver hp120 |
| 15:04:59 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 15:05:51 | flatlander | I'm in USA, should I get "H120 and H140 1.66US"? |
| 15:06:27 | petur | depends on the iriver firmware you want to run as alternative |
| 15:06:35 | petur | rockbox is dual-boot ;) |
| 15:07:01 | flatlander | I got the latest firmware for the 120 |
| 15:07:40 | flatlander | so you can choose between the rockbox and stock OS's? |
| 15:07:49 | petur | yes |
| 15:07:52 | amiconn | petur: I don't care much. Retailos is only good for flashing, and on H300 for usbotg (hint hint) |
| 15:07:56 | flatlander | sweet |
| 15:08:11 | flatlander | thanks petur |
| 15:09:16 | petur | amiconn: I finally resumed isp1362 investigation yesterday evening but my asm is quite rusty (reading the h300 disassembly) |
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| 15:10:40 | lostlogic | amiconn: is there any way to re-start a loaded codec currently? |
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| 15:11:49 | lostlogic | hmm, never mind, that wouldn't be a good idea on a codec failure. |
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| 15:16:53 | preglow | i'll just init macsr to be frac mode in main thread, seeing as that'll be pretty much the only case we'll ever need to use the emac in anyway |
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| 15:18:28 | preglow | wooo, playback lockup |
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| 15:18:56 | preglow | all threads are running just fine, but it refuses to turn off |
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| 15:21:02 | preglow | ARGHGHGH, and now linux usb hangs again |
| 15:21:04 | preglow | part for life |
| 15:21:37 | amiconn | I thought linux was so super-stable? ;) |
| 15:22:27 | linuxstb | Everything apart from USB.... I get the same problems sometimes. |
| 15:22:28 | lostlogic | preglow: whee, I assume track skipping was involved? |
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| 15:24:38 | ThatThereSome1 | hey |
| 15:24:53 | _FireFly_ | ho ;) |
| 15:25:05 | ThatThereSome1 | wots u lot talking about |
| 15:25:06 | ThatThereSome1 | ??? |
| 15:25:16 | _FireFly_ | rockbox |
| 15:25:22 | _FireFly_ | www.rockbox.org |
| 15:25:31 | ThatThereSome1 | lol, wot about it tho? |
| 15:25:32 | ThatThereSome1 | X5 maybe? |
| 15:25:38 | ThatThereSome1 | please (A) |
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| 15:25:39 | ThatThereSome1 | hehe! |
| 15:25:57 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah... |
| 15:26:43 | Mikachu | preglow: are you doing eject on the ipod before unplugging it? |
| 15:27:03 | _FireFly_ | or at least an unmount |
| 15:27:50 | * | amiconn loves to just unplug on windows |
| 15:28:01 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: moep |
| 15:28:02 | amiconn | I never use 'safely remove hardware' |
| 15:28:14 | _FireFly_ | there you can have also dataloose |
| 15:28:16 | Mikachu | wow, you're so elite |
| 15:28:20 | petur | really? |
| 15:28:23 | amiconn | (of course I checked that write caching is disabled) |
| 15:28:29 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: so you are a lucky guy at the moment |
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| 15:28:34 | ep0ch | preglow: am now, can i help? |
| 15:29:06 | lostlogic | preglow: sigh. I haven't gotten any freezes, but there is definitely a buffer vs. track pointer sync problem that pops up with skipping. |
| 15:29:09 | amiconn | _FireFly_: I had a slight dataloss exactly once. That was when write caching was accidentally enabled for one device (archos player) |
| 15:29:26 | preglow | lostlogic: might have been an old build |
| 15:29:31 | preglow | ep0ch: ahh, right |
| 15:29:33 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: with an usb-flash disk you can damage your disk faster when write-cache is disabled |
| 15:29:39 | preglow | ep0ch: you're allowed to do some spdif comparisons for me :) |
| 15:29:51 | _FireFly_ | and with an FAT-fs |
| 15:29:57 | ep0ch | hehe |
| 15:29:59 | warthawg | eject doesnt work on nano on recent builds |
| 15:30:02 | preglow | ep0ch: you didn't by any chance use to do asciis before, did you? |
| 15:30:27 | ep0ch | asciis? ascii art? nahhhh |
| 15:30:37 | _FireFly_ | because each write to the falsh-disk will result in a write to the FAT(which is located on the beginning of the flash) |
| 15:30:43 | ep0ch | which codecs did you have in mind? or is this crossfeed? |
| 15:31:29 | _FireFly_ | and when the maximum write cycles of these cells are reached then these are damaged and also the FAT is broken -> dataloos |
| 15:31:41 | amiconn | _FireFly_: In theory, yes |
| 15:31:56 | _FireFly_ | also in partical |
| 15:32:05 | Mikachu | warthawg: don't use emergency disk mode on nano, use apple os |
| 15:32:06 | amiconn | 100000 cycles will take a while |
| 15:32:36 | Mikachu | actually that could be just one write of a big file |
| 15:32:37 | preglow | can anyone please tell me why my h120 buttons don't work anymore+ |
| 15:32:38 | warthawg | Mikachu: thanks |
| 15:32:41 | _FireFly_ | i have seen some post of users where had sync in ther fstab-opts for their usb-flash-disks and had then brocken flash-disks |
| 15:32:50 | preglow | not even the bootloader recognizes them |
| 15:33:11 | ep0ch | you have the hold switch on ;) |
| 15:33:18 | preglow | yes |
| 15:33:19 | preglow | yes i did |
| 15:33:22 | ep0ch | lol |
| 15:33:25 | _FireFly_ | due the mass write in the first part of the flash-disk(where the FAT is when FAT is used) |
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| 15:44:44 | lostlogic | ok, my build server now has 3.3.6(sh1) 3.4.5(m68k) and 4.0.3(arm), these are the latest, and best compilers for each target, yes? |
| 15:45:04 | ep0ch | there's a 4.0.3? |
| 15:45:11 | Mikachu | there's a 3.4.6 |
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| 15:45:16 | Mikachu | no idea if it's bester than 3.4.5 though |
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| 15:45:40 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I don't see 3.4.6 on the gcc page... |
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| 15:45:49 | Mikachu | the title says .5, but the text right under says .6 |
| 15:45:59 | lostlogic | hmph |
| 15:46:00 | Mikachu | it's been like that for a couple of months now |
| 15:46:04 | lostlogic | *fetches* |
| 15:46:33 | * | amiconn yawns |
| 15:52:41 | preglow | ep0ch: please test out crossfeed |
| 15:52:43 | preglow | i'll be back later |
| 15:53:03 | ep0ch | ok, on ihp, with the patch that's on your website? |
| 15:53:41 | preglow | ep0ch: the one i just commited |
| 15:53:45 | ep0ch | ohhh |
| 15:54:06 | preglow | ep0ch: and yeah, with h120, and if you've got time, compare if the asm optimised routine is actually equal to the c one |
| 15:54:10 | preglow | that'd be great |
| 15:54:19 | ep0ch | k |
| 15:54:47 | ep0ch | i might generate some sweeping sine wave on one channel and see how it looks |
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| 15:55:54 | ep0ch | preglow: did you bump the config version? |
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| 16:21:31 | SamShee | hey if any mods are around just a heads up, the link at the bottom of the Download page, "bug page", points to a page that's no longer there |
| 16:22:19 | * | petur kicks Bagder |
| 16:22:49 | lostlogic | violent violent |
| 16:22:58 | SamShee | also, any word on the iTunes Database? are there any people currently tackling that? |
| 16:23:31 | SamShee | i've read all around the site but it just seems to be a "later" thing |
| 16:23:42 | petur | it is |
| 16:23:42 | lostlogic | it is still a later thing. |
| 16:24:55 | SamShee | oh well, thanks |
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| 16:35:27 | Gargamale | Allo |
| 16:35:33 | Gargamale | Rockbox is god |
| 16:35:36 | Gargamale | For the record |
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| 16:39:56 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
| 16:40:54 | Mikachu | o/ |
| 16:41:08 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 16:41:33 | man_in_shack | just a suggestion |
| 16:41:56 | man_in_shack | i see references on the wiki to mp3 recording |
| 16:42:06 | man_in_shack | but why does it have to be mp3? why not ogg or flac? |
| 16:42:22 | man_in_shack | i'd like to see ogg or flac recording in rockbox |
| 16:42:30 | man_in_shack | anyways, time for sleep |
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| 16:45:14 | linuxstb | man_in_shack: Realtime vorbis and FLAC encoding will not be easy on the CPUs Rockbox runs on. The MP3 encoder we do have is poor quality compared to Lame. We do have a realtime lossless Wavpack encoder though - which should compress better than FLAC. |
| 16:45:25 | _FireFly_ | is it normal or why is the position of the Shuffle -option on the quickscreen (when holding Mode in file-tree) higher then of the Repeat-option |
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| 16:45:55 | linuxstb | _FireFly_: I think that was a recent change - to allow for long translations. |
| 16:46:41 | _FireFly_ | ok, on the remote(h120) between the text and the << is some space |
| 16:47:33 | * | _FireFly_ must now reitigrate his combine-bitmap support ;) |
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| 16:52:56 | flatlander | I'm confused with how to install rockbox on my h120 |
| 16:53:17 | flatlander | I have latest firmware and bootloader |
| 16:54:19 | flatlander | I do not want to develop anything new, I just want to use the rockbox firmware |
| 16:54:34 | flatlander | anyone? |
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| 16:54:49 | Mikachu | have you looked at the install instructions? |
| 16:55:09 | flatlander | yes |
| 16:55:20 | flatlander | I'm confused, do I HAVE to install the bootloader? |
| 16:55:30 | t0mas | yes |
| 16:55:32 | t0mas | you have to |
| 16:55:34 | Mikachu | i would say that is a prerequisite to booting rockbox |
| 16:56:04 | Mode | "#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 16:56:15 | flatlander | ok |
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| 16:59:53 | Gargamale | Is album art in later builds? |
| 16:59:59 | preglow | ep0ch: yeah |
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| 17:01:33 | ep0ch | preglow i have just done the testing |
| 17:01:51 | lostlogic | Gargamale: no, it's not been applied yet |
| 17:02:09 | preglow | ep0ch: how's it look? |
| 17:02:14 | ep0ch | preglow: bit perfect |
| 17:02:33 | ep0ch | unless i messed up the testing |
| 17:02:48 | * | linuxstb passes preglow a congratulatory beer |
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| 17:03:05 | ep0ch | crossfeed boost ratio (ogg vorbis 166 kbps) on ihp120. no cf = 20%, cf asm = 23%, cf no asm = 26.5% |
| 17:03:31 | lostlogic | nice |
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| 17:04:30 | Gargamale | lostlogic, SO, in order to apply the patch, Id have to compile, eh? |
| 17:04:34 | lostlogic | somewhere in this playback code, there is 1 bug, and this one bug means that either each buffer fill, or each buffer wrap, something gets missaligned and the world eats itself. but I don't know what the bug is or where, if you play music for <20 m at a time, it never happens. |
| 17:04:39 | lostlogic | Gargamale: right |
| 17:04:52 | Gargamale | lostlogic: Ill wait, I guess, otherwise, rockbox owns me |
| 17:05:04 | lostlogic | Gargamale: probably won't be applied until after May 1 |
| 17:05:07 | Gargamale | ipodlinux was ass, but this is boss |
| 17:05:12 | lostlogic | lol |
| 17:05:16 | Gargamale | Thanks logic |
| 17:05:29 | lostlogic | :) |
| 17:05:33 | Gargamale | I love the fact that I can change every aspect of the WPS |
| 17:05:37 | Gargamale | That is awesome |
| 17:05:43 | warthawg | rockbox rox |
| 17:06:02 | Gargamale | And, once I got Tag Cache working, its just like the old apple firmware browsing |
| 17:06:25 | Gargamale | My main issue, the cursor moves slow over a list of artists/songs |
| 17:06:31 | Mikachu | lostlogic: do you mean "before may 1"? |
| 17:06:38 | Mikachu | lostlogic: nm, i missed 'until' |
| 17:06:40 | Gargamale | Until after |
| 17:06:46 | Mikachu | my eyes are evil |
| 17:06:48 | Gargamale | hhe |
| 17:06:56 | lostlogic | Gargamale: what device? |
| 17:07:04 | Gargamale | 5G iPod |
| 17:07:13 | lostlogic | yeah, it is slow when not boosted. |
| 17:07:20 | Gargamale | How to boosted? |
| 17:07:23 | Gargamale | er, boost |
| 17:07:29 | Gargamale | I changed scroll speed to 25 |
| 17:07:37 | Gargamale | But that I think is the refresh rate of the page moving |
| 17:07:41 | lostlogic | it's automatically boosted as needed for playback |
| 17:07:41 | preglow | ep0ch: cool, thanks a bunch |
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| 17:07:55 | lostlogic | yeah, the problem is the rate it can move the cursor when the CPU is running at it's slower speed |
| 17:08:07 | lostlogic | but it kills battery life to boost all the time (even more than w/o boost) |
| 17:08:09 | Gargamale | Even while not playing its slow as molasses |
| 17:08:15 | Gargamale | And theres no acceleration |
| 17:08:15 | ep0ch | preglow: anytime |
| 17:08:32 | Mikachu | Gargamale: it would only be fast during playback |
| 17:08:43 | Gargamale | Slow then, too |
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| 17:08:52 | Gargamale | O well, I'll live |
| 17:08:53 | Gargamale | I think |
| 17:08:54 | Mikachu | yes, you need to hit a buffer fill |
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| 17:09:11 | Mikachu | also, ipods aren't done yet |
| 17:09:17 | Gargamale | Yeah, I realize that |
| 17:09:33 | Gargamale | Thats what I like about this project though, the fact that it is ongoing |
| 17:09:39 | Gargamale | And it'll be resolved eventually |
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| 17:10:19 | Gargamale | Is there an equivalent to On The Go playlist like on the apple fw |
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| 17:10:58 | linuxstb | Yes - whenever you play files, an "on the go" playlist is created. You can manipulate and save this playlist. |
| 17:11:26 | Gargamale | Right, but how do I queue one up |
| 17:11:32 | Gargamale | To play next |
| 17:11:47 | Gargamale | Hold select over the track? |
| 17:12:02 | linuxstb | Yes, and then choose from the menu. It's described in the manual. |
| 17:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then choose "Playlist" and "Queue next" |
| 17:12:13 | Gargamale | Yeah, I read that, but was having issues |
| 17:12:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | A quick search for "Queue" in the manual would've brought you this information. |
| 17:12:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | What specific problem had ye? |
| 17:12:41 | linuxstb | Gargamale: The new work-in-progress manuals are here: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 17:12:42 | Gargamale | Yes, I read it first before asking, I was making sure I was doing it right, cuz it didnt seem to work |
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| 17:12:57 | flatlander | what do I do with bootloader-h120.bin? I ran the patch program with the original firmware in the same directory and it said patch successful |
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| 17:13:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: In general, it's best to actually ask about the problem you were having then. What happens, instead of it working? |
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| 17:13:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | flatlander: If you're using fwpatcher.exe the bootloader bin file is unnecessary. |
| 17:14:02 | Gargamale | Paul_The_Nerd: Played the next song fromt he album, not the one I queued |
| 17:14:06 | flatlander | oh ok |
| 17:14:16 | petur | flatlander: copy the patched h120 firmware on your player and use the iriver firmware to flash it |
| 17:14:31 | flatlander | sweet, just making sure I'm doing it right |
| 17:14:35 | flatlander | here goes... |
| 17:14:39 | petur | and don't forget to unzip rockbox itself on there too... |
| 17:14:44 | Gargamale | Paul_The_Nerd: But that was a build that had a lot of other problems too so it may have been that |
| 17:14:46 | flatlander | yup |
| 17:14:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: And you did choose "Queue Next" specifically? |
| 17:15:11 | Gargamale | Thought so, Ill try again later, and if I have any problems report it |
| 17:15:23 | Gargamale | You guys are actually helpful |
| 17:15:39 | Gargamale | Most channels for open source software is full of elitist pricks that jump all over the noobs |
| 17:15:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just make sure it's Queue Next, as there's also a Queue Last, and I'm not 100% certain what Queue does by default. |
| 17:16:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know Queue places it after the most recently queued song after you've done one. |
| 17:16:45 | Mikachu | if you do queue on song A and then on song B |
| 17:16:50 | Mikachu | they will be in the order A B |
| 17:16:55 | Mikachu | but if you queue next they will be B A |
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| 17:17:08 | Gargamale | K |
| 17:17:14 | | Part tinodeleste |
| 17:17:26 | Gargamale | That pretty much means the features I require most are here |
| 17:17:27 | Gargamale | Right on |
| 17:18:00 | flatlander | thanks so much for your help |
| 17:18:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: But you can do "Queue Next" and then make all following ones "Queue". I prefer to do it that way just so it's explicit. Especially if I can't remember if I did a Queue Last at any point. |
| 17:18:09 | flatlander | my h120 is reborn :D |
| 17:18:19 | Gargamale | Paul_The_Nerd: : Good tip |
| 17:18:19 | petur | congrats! |
| 17:18:55 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 17:19:08 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Direct Gain'? |
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| 17:19:39 | Gargamale | Has to dow ith recording doesnt it? |
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| 17:20:09 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 17:21:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: Where do you see "direct gain" in Rockbox? |
| 17:21:57 | Jungti1234 | In Crossfeed |
| 17:22:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah. I haven't tried the new crossfeed yet |
| 17:22:30 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 17:23:09 | Gargamale | Whats crossfeed? |
| 17:23:18 | Gargamale | I know what Crossfade is |
| 17:23:23 | lostlogic | mix audio between L and R channels |
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| 17:23:45 | _FireFly_ | ;) cbitmap support readded ;) |
| 17:23:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Crossfeed goes through an effort to mix audio between the L and R channels in a way to reproduce a similar sound to what you'd get if you were listening to speakers instead of headphones. |
| 17:24:08 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 17:24:34 | Jungti1234 | If you don't explain it to wiki, it must answer repeatedly. |
| 17:24:40 | Gargamale | O, stereo widening |
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| 17:25:36 | Jungti1234 | then, what is 'Cross gain'? |
| 17:25:43 | linuxstb | _FireFly_: Nice. Now we need a script to convert a WPS with separate bitmaps to a WPS with combined bitmaps... |
| 17:25:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: Not the same thing. There's also a stereo width option in the sound settings. |
| 17:27:05 | Gargamale | o |
| 17:27:21 | Jungti1234 | http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/data/mainnews/cdpkorea-1144716650-1.jpg |
| 17:27:29 | _FireFly_ | Gargamale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphone_amplifier#Crossfeed_and_Other_Audio_Processing |
| 17:27:32 | ep0ch | Gargamale: crossfeed adds a delay and filter to each crossed channel |
| 17:27:37 | Gargamale | ah hah |
| 17:28:10 | Jungti1234 | :( what's that.. |
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| 17:31:31 | _FireFly_ | Gargamale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphone_amplifier#Crossfeed_and_Other_Audio_Processing |
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| 17:34:05 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 17:34:05 | Gargamale | Thanks firefly |
| 17:34:07 | Gargamale | Good info |
| 17:34:33 | Jungti1234 | I knew it. |
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| 17:38:17 | Jungti1234 | Can't I quicken the compile speed? |
| 17:38:29 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: use make -j5 |
| 17:38:41 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 17:38:51 | Jungti1234 | I began compile already. |
| 17:39:53 | ep0ch | Jungti1234: what build environment do you use? cygwin is really slow if that's what you are using |
| 17:40:17 | Jungti1234 | .... |
| 17:40:24 | Jungti1234 | I use cygwin.... |
| 17:40:40 | Jungti1234 | What should I use? |
| 17:40:56 | ep0ch | well cygwin does the job but is slow |
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| 17:41:39 | ep0ch | i believe there is a rockbox linux vmware image somewhere that might help |
| 17:42:24 | Jungti1234 | um, I use the bad computer. |
| 17:42:34 | _FireFly_ | and a colinux version of the build -env |
| 17:42:38 | goffa_ | interesting on that crossfeed amp.. didn't know they were out of bozeman, mt |
| 17:42:52 | ep0ch | Jungti1234: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 17:42:56 | goffa_ | i've been to headphone.com quite a bit |
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| 17:43:19 | ep0ch | oh hangon |
| 17:43:28 | goffa_ | < from montana |
| 17:43:47 | Jungti1234 | wow |
| 17:43:50 | Jungti1234 | that is linux? |
| 17:45:13 | ep0ch | Jungti1234: yes its a linux build that sits inside a virtual machine, so you can run in from within windows |
| 17:45:24 | ep0ch | in=it |
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| 17:46:56 | muz | hey can someone help me im trying to configure cygwin to make patches |
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| 17:47:11 | muz | sorry i mean to apply patches |
| 17:47:28 | muz | but when i type the "../tools/configure" command |
| 17:47:41 | muz | i get "no such file or directory" |
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| 17:48:25 | Jungti1234 | Where did you input it? |
| 17:48:38 | Jungti1234 | Directory path. |
| 17:49:19 | muz | home/(my name)/build |
| 17:49:59 | linuxstb | Where is your copy of the Rockbox source? i.e. the apps, firmware, tools etc directories? |
| 17:50:18 | muz | home/(my name)/rockbox-devel |
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| 17:51:28 | ep0ch | i think you need to have your build dir inside rockbox-devel |
| 17:51:29 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
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| 17:51:37 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 17:51:41 | muz | oh okay |
| 17:52:27 | muz | but awesome tis workin :) |
| 17:52:36 | muz | oops omit the but |
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| 17:53:25 | muz | oh crap |
| 17:53:30 | muz | okay new problem |
| 17:53:30 | Mikachu | you can have build/ wherever you want, but obviously you have to adjust the command to run configure then |
| 17:53:39 | Jungti1234 | what? |
| 17:53:54 | muz | i get a "the procdure entry point_impure_ptr could not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll" |
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| 17:55:10 | muz | maybe i have an old cygwin1.dll |
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| 17:58:19 | flatlander | where do i get/put the doom wads? |
| 17:58:34 | Jungti1234 | - /games/doom/ |
| 17:59:40 | flatlander | ..\.rockbox\games\doom -? |
| 17:59:44 | Mikachu | no |
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| 18:00:02 | linuxstb | flatlander: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 18:00:14 | flatlander | thanks man |
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| 18:00:36 | muz | grrrr where can i get the latest cygwin1.dll |
| 18:00:43 | muz | without reinstalling everything |
| 18:01:07 | linuxstb | You probably just have more than one copy. Search your hard disk for cygwin1.dll and delete the oldest one. |
| 18:01:07 | Mikachu | cygwin.com |
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| 18:01:25 | Jungti1234 | oh... :( |
| 18:01:29 | Jungti1234 | here is 01:01 |
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| 18:06:48 | muz | ok im confused on the site there is no individual cygwin1.dll download |
| 18:07:10 | muz | and when i reinstall using setup.exe i dont know which package replaces cygwin1.dll |
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| 18:08:10 | ep0ch | is there a "base" package? |
| 18:08:56 | Jungti1234 | lostlogic? |
| 18:10:32 | muz | woooohooooo got it |
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| 18:11:57 | muz | crap another problem |
| 18:12:02 | muz | i get No targets specified and no makefile found. |
| 18:12:19 | muz | even though i dont get any warnings/errors |
| 18:14:18 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 18:16:14 | ep0ch | muz: you are in the build dir and you did run configure? |
| 18:16:14 | lostlogic | Dude is about as patient as a hamster. |
| 18:16:21 | muz | yes and yes |
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| 18:17:20 | ep0ch | muz: and when you do an "ls" there is a Makefile? |
| 18:17:30 | muz | ls in build ? |
| 18:17:40 | ep0ch | yeah your pwd |
| 18:18:04 | muz | there is a makefile in rockbox-devel but not in build |
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| 18:18:50 | ep0ch | then i think you ran configure in the wrong dir |
| 18:18:51 | amiconn | lostlogic: What is this good for: /* Recalculate remaining bytes to buffer, but always leave extra data for the currently playing codec to seek back into */ |
| 18:19:04 | amiconn | Doe the swcodec codecs need to seek back during normal playback??? |
| 18:19:16 | ep0ch | cd build; ../tools/configure; make && make zip |
| 18:19:20 | muz | i ran ../tools/configure in rockbox-devel/build |
| 18:21:17 | muz | it says Using sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6 (303) |
| 18:21:28 | muz | thats not an error though is it |
| 18:21:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: It's only needed for the rebuffer and seek type of rebuffer. Should probably be conditional in one way or another, but 32k doesn't seem a very big deal one way or another. |
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| 18:22:36 | amiconn | What is rebuffer and seek? |
| 18:23:22 | amiconn | I thought that seek works on what is currently loaded, and if the seek target isn't currently in the buffer, the buffer is discarded and a rebuffering is done? |
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| 18:23:40 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, are you around? |
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| 18:23:55 | kkurbjun | I was wondering about doom's sound on the ipod |
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| 18:24:57 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: Sound works fine on the ipods if I change the samplerate to 44.1KHz. I have been meaning to ask you about that. |
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| 18:25:29 | ep0ch | are the native samples in doom recorded at 44.1? |
| 18:26:09 | ep0ch | n'mind i'm off |
| 18:26:13 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, yes, it works at higher rates on irivers too.. kindof, the sound is distorted though as I don't think the processor is keeping up with the higher saple rate.. |
| 18:26:19 | kkurbjun | ep0ch, their 11k |
| 18:26:25 | Slasheri | amiconn: seeking always has worked whether the requested seek position is in the buffer or not |
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| 18:26:40 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, does the ipod just not support lower sampling rates right now? |
| 18:27:06 | Mikachu | Slasheri: i noticed a commit you made the other day commented out two lines with //, i think rockbox is /**/ only |
| 18:27:09 | amiconn | Slasheri: Yes of course. What I wonder about is the comment |
| 18:27:13 | kkurbjun | if it works fine on the ipod you could always do an ifdef for the sample rate |
| 18:27:18 | Mikachu | Slasheri: if you want to set a good example :) |
| 18:27:27 | Slasheri | Mikachu: i have a reason why i use // comments |
| 18:27:28 | amiconn | see 18:18 |
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| 18:27:40 | amiconn | Ahem, 19:18 for you :) |
| 18:27:41 | Slasheri | i use them to comment out single lines of code temporarily (to be removed later) |
| 18:28:13 | Slasheri | (i never do real comments with //, so it's easier to see what type of comment has been made) |
| 18:28:23 | Mikachu | you could also write that in the comment |
| 18:28:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, that sounds unnecessary to leave old data in the buffer.. |
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| 18:29:05 | lostlogic | amiconn: yes, rebuffer and seek is what happens if you seek within the currently playing song, the buffer is discarded, but the codec keeps playing, and rebuffer is done from the target seek point in the playing song, not the beginning of that song. This means that we need to pad the seek point for the buffer, or we will rebuffer multiple times for a single seek (as pointed out by lear) |
| 18:29:41 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, also, I was wondering what you were doing with the menu keys on the ipod? |
| 18:29:45 | amiconn | Doesn't rockbox only jump to the seek point after you stop seeking? |
| 18:30:07 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: I haven't looked at the menu keys yet. |
| 18:30:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: yes |
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| 18:30:48 | lostlogic | but some codecs (vorbis at least) don't know exactly where they need to go, so they seek 'close' and then correct, which can mean seeking further back. |
| 18:31:02 | amiconn | ah... |
| 18:31:12 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, I was going to commit definable menu keys eventually, that could make your life easier for that, but I'm not sure if it's really worth it, I can't see the end user wanting to change dooms menu keys around |
| 18:31:16 | amiconn | Bad seeking support... |
| 18:31:20 | lostlogic | right |
| 18:32:14 | amiconn | Well mp3 (vbr) also has bad seeking support in that you can't get an exact position in time, but at least you don't need to go backwards |
| 18:32:45 | lostlogic | anywho, my real question is whether we want to overwrite the buffer on a fill up to the ass of the playing track, or do we want to truncate the playing track only once for a buffer fill, and never fill the whole ring buffer? |
| 18:33:07 | lostlogic | (of course this question is of secondary importance to fixing whatever I broke with track tracking consistency) |
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| 18:34:15 | amiconn | I don't get what you mean... |
| 18:34:18 | lostlogic | Hmm, probably need a seek-back mode where a back seek in a track prevents _this_ buffer fill from following up the playing audio closely. |
| 18:34:42 | lostlogic | on the ring buffer, during a buffer fill from disk, we can either take a fixed 'target' point to fill to, or fill up to the currently playing audio. |
| 18:34:43 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, did you try 22.05k in doom? |
| 18:34:48 | linuxstb_ | Are you talking about the part of the buffer which is emptied whilst the buffer is being filled? |
| 18:34:55 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: right |
| 18:35:05 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: No - just 44.1KHz. |
| 18:35:49 | amiconn | I would think that a regular rebuffer event should always fill up as much as possible, i.e. up to the back of the currently playing audio |
| 18:36:08 | lostlogic | but a seek back-triggered one should not, yah. |
| 18:36:23 | kkurbjun | well I can add in an ifdef for the ipods if it works fine on them, it's too slow on the H300 at least and I don't see the benefit as doom's samples are at 11k |
| 18:36:31 | amiconn | However, a rebuffer event triggered by seeking or skipping should perhaps behave like a first-buffer event? |
| 18:36:46 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 18:36:49 | lostlogic | can do |
| 18:37:28 | amiconn | ...i.e. buffer one track, a maximum of 8MB (?), and a minimum of 1 minute worth of audio |
| 18:38:01 | amiconn | (or a physical size defined minimum) |
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| 18:38:31 | amiconn | The minimum requirement is just in case there are really short tracks |
| 18:39:02 | amiconn | A CD track can be as short as 4 seconds.... |
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| 18:39:10 | lostlogic | yeah, I haven't implemented minimum yet, can probably use the conf_watermark as the minimum. |
| 18:39:18 | amiconn | ah, yes |
| 18:39:27 | lostlogic | basically fill up at least as much as would trigger an immediate buffer any way |
| 18:39:33 | linuxstb_ | Shouldn't that use the bitrate of the track in some way? |
| 18:39:40 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: not today. |
| 18:39:46 | Mikachu | heh |
| 18:39:47 | amiconn | ;) |
| 18:40:19 | amiconn | lostlogic: Yeah, but the immediate rebuffer then won't behave like an initial buffering |
| 18:40:39 | lostlogic | amiconn: double the watermark? |
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| 18:45:33 | amiconn | How large is the watermark? |
| 18:45:45 | lostlogic | defaults to 512k |
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| 18:52:11 | Gargamale | Is there a way to make rockbox autoload a cfg |
| 18:52:15 | Gargamale | Like a default one |
| 18:55:27 | muesli__ | just save your current config and it loads that one next time |
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| 18:57:40 | Gargamale | muesli__: I want rockbox toload it |
| 18:57:49 | Gargamale | Automagically |
| 18:57:51 | muesli__ | of course |
| 18:57:59 | muesli__ | thats what it does |
| 18:58:08 | Gargamale | At bootup? |
| 18:58:14 | Lear | Can't autoload a .cfg at the moment, but all settings are preserved anyway. |
| 18:58:14 | muesli__ | logo |
| 18:58:28 | Gargamale | Lear: Thanks |
| 18:58:48 | Gargamale | Lear: Sometimes mine reverts to default settings |
| 18:58:55 | Gargamale | For no apparent reason |
| 18:59:22 | Lear | After updating to a newer build? Or just when starting it one day? |
| 18:59:59 | Gargamale | I prolly didnt shutdown right, I plugged into my computer after making changes, I probably should have held play down, eh? |
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| 19:00:37 | crashd | heh |
| 19:00:42 | crashd | what system you on Gargamale ? |
| 19:00:44 | crashd | platform, rather |
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| 19:04:29 | * | lostlogic installs a build with smarter buffering. Sadly still don't know what's causing the remaining bugs with wraping and/or filling causing the buffer to be wrongly pointed. |
| 19:05:17 | Gargamale | ipod |
| 19:05:25 | crashd | Gargamale: if you plug in without saving, or unplug it from usb with the hold on |
| 19:05:30 | crashd | especially the later, it'll wipe your settings |
| 19:05:34 | crashd | so make sure you dont ;) |
| 19:05:38 | Gargamale | Ah hah |
| 19:05:43 | Gargamale | Think thats what I did |
| 19:05:52 | Gargamale | Didnt shutdown, went to USB |
| 19:05:58 | Gargamale | Thanks for the heads up |
| 19:06:08 | crashd | np's |
| 19:06:11 | crashd | i do it all the time ;\ |
| 19:06:12 | Mikachu | you'll want to go to manage settings and write .cfg when you have some good settings |
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| 19:06:46 | Gargamale | Mikachu: : Did that, thanks |
| 19:06:46 | amiconn | ipod rockbox should save settings before switching to USB. It's a bug that it doesn't do so |
| 19:06:56 | Gargamale | o |
| 19:07:02 | Gargamale | BUG SQUASH |
| 19:07:04 | Gargamale | HULK SMASH |
| 19:08:48 | lostlogic | Slasheri: if you happen to get bored and look at what would cause the WPS vs. playing track to get confused and lead to general badness on subsequent track changes, it would be very much appreciated. |
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| 19:09:37 | Gargamale | So... here's something thatll make the devs go screaming at me... rockbox needs graphic vis. |
| 19:11:33 | Mikachu | or possibly they will just ignore it |
| 19:11:49 | Mikachu | there is already oscilloscope |
| 19:11:52 | lostlogic | Gargamale: write it :-P |
| 19:12:47 | Gargamale | Yeah |
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| 19:13:04 | Gargamale | Milkdrop/Geiss support, here we come |
| 19:13:11 | Gargamale | Let me get right on that |
| 19:13:15 | Gargamale | Doubt its even possible |
| 19:13:40 | Gargamale | GPU prolly cant even do it |
| 19:13:47 | Mikachu | um, daps don't have a gpu |
| 19:14:06 | Mikachu | the cpu draws everything per pixel |
| 19:15:07 | Gargamale | Meaning its prolly even less possible |
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| 19:18:16 | Kohlrabi | which reminds me I should check for visualization plugibs for f2k0.9 |
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| 19:20:35 | Gargamale | f2k? |
| 19:20:38 | Gargamale | Foobar? |
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| 19:21:23 | lostlogic | I love abusing build servers and revision numbers with comment-only commits. |
| 19:21:28 | lostlogic | ::shifty eyes:: |
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| 19:34:56 | Mikachu | lostlogic: if i seek to the end of the song, it just restarts instead of going to the next |
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| 19:35:15 | Angel_of_Death | do u have repeat1 set to "on" |
| 19:35:27 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:35:35 | Angel_of_Death | are u sure |
| 19:35:36 | lostlogic | Mikachu: that's because it doesn't like you. |
| 19:35:55 | lostlogic | Mikachu: post it on my wiki page... diong paying work ATM |
| 19:36:13 | Mikachu | okay |
| 19:36:56 | Angel_of_Death | i got doom2 (not freedoom) WAD and ultimate doom wad if any1 wants em |
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| 19:37:23 | Angel_of_Death | doom2 replaces freedoom wad, and ultimate doom doesnt replace it as a base, but if u wanna play doom the full version u play it |
| 19:37:52 | Gargamale | Is Doom even playable? |
| 19:37:54 | Gargamale | FPS-wise? |
| 19:37:58 | Angel_of_Death | yeah.... |
| 19:38:00 | Mikachu | Gargamale: i get 28 fps |
| 19:38:12 | Mikachu | Angel_of_Death: and that's not a smart offer to make in a public logged channel |
| 19:38:27 | Angel_of_Death | whys that mik |
| 19:38:56 | Mikachu | a little thing called copyright |
| 19:39:17 | Angel_of_Death | they don't care anymore |
| 19:39:30 | Angel_of_Death | im surpirsed there not providing a download on there page like rockstar does |
| 19:39:31 | Mikachu | actually copyrights are valid 70 years after the copyright holder's death |
| 19:39:47 | Mikachu | you can still buy wolfenstein3d on idsoftware.com for $15 |
| 19:39:48 | Angel_of_Death | i didn't say they couldn't |
| 19:39:50 | kkurbjun | Angel_of_Death, ID still sells doom |
| 19:40:05 | Angel_of_Death | well, im not worried |
| 19:40:30 | Angel_of_Death | i think if they would be going after anything it would be shutting down BT sites |
| 19:40:31 | kkurbjun | either way this channel isn't meant for trading pirate copies |
| 19:40:54 | Mikachu | bt sites are perfectly legal |
| 19:41:11 | Angel_of_Death | yes, i relize that |
| 19:41:25 | Angel_of_Death | but thru them u can still get movies, games, shows |
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| 19:56:24 | RandomDude | hey |
| 19:57:40 | Gargamale | Heya |
| 19:57:44 | Gargamale | Nice nick |
| 19:58:36 | scottder_ | hey all, is there a known issue with playing aac files? |
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| 19:58:55 | Gargamale | Does AAC have DRM? |
| 19:58:55 | linuxstb_ | Yes - the decoder is _very_ slow. |
| 19:59:03 | scottder | No DRM |
| 19:59:04 | Gargamale | There is a known issue with DRM'd files |
| 19:59:19 | Gargamale | k |
| 19:59:21 | scottder | not DRMed...it is however VBR |
| 19:59:25 | linuxstb_ | It also can't handle all types of encoders. I think Nero-encoded files aren't parsed properly. |
| 19:59:32 | Gargamale | My VBR MP3s work fine |
| 19:59:34 | scottder | this wsa itunes |
| 19:59:36 | RandomDude | MPC do they work on the X5 now? |
| 19:59:58 | linuxstb_ | scottder: What is your problem? |
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| 20:00:09 | neff | Follow up mesage for lostlogic (if he checks logs) |
| 20:00:09 | neff | I'm still having problems with my H140 hanging again today the actions were |
| 20:00:09 | neff | 1. Plug into car charger |
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| 20:00:09 | neff | 2. Turn on |
| 20:00:09 | neff | 3. Select my car theme |
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| 20:00:09 | neff | 4. navigate tree and select a track |
| 20:00:11 | neff | 5. WPS shows but no sound - timer stays at 0:00 |
| 20:00:13 | neff | 6. No response from keys - even 10sec stop to re-set |
| 20:00:15 | neff | Would low disc space do that? I have 450Mb left from 4Gb disc. |
| 20:00:52 | scottder | star playing and I get "Data abort 4000C004" |
| 20:01:00 | scottder | this is on a 4gb Nano |
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| 20:02:36 | linuxstb_ | scottder: Has this just started today, or has it happened with older versions of Rockbox? Is it every AAC, or just one? |
| 20:02:51 | scottder | it was happening with an older version (from the 31st) |
| 20:03:00 | scottder | I switched to the lateat daily build |
| 20:03:02 | scottder | same thing |
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| 20:05:25 | scottder | they did work for me when I first tried rockbox I know that |
| 20:05:33 | scottder | but I don't remember the build I used then |
| 20:05:50 | linuxstb_ | So you get this problem with all your AAC files? |
| 20:06:05 | scottder | looks like it |
| 20:06:11 | scottder | I just tried a CBR AAC file |
| 20:06:15 | scottder | same error |
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| 20:07:57 | scottder | ogg mp3s play fine |
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| 20:13:30 | linuxstb | Can you make a file available to me for testing? I've just tried my only AAC file, and it works fine on my ipod. |
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| 20:19:10 | kkurbjun | I've added a new version of my midi patch to the tracker for anyone interested (XavierGr). It's still not full speed on some files though. This version also leaves midi2wav alone and makes midiplay. |
| 20:19:23 | Mikachu | do you need 3rd party patches? |
| 20:19:28 | Mikachu | and by patches i mean sounds |
| 20:19:48 | kkurbjun | yes, it still uses the patches from midi2wav |
| 20:19:53 | kkurbjun | there's a link on the tracker |
| 20:19:58 | Mikachu | lazy :) |
| 20:20:13 | kkurbjun | I don't think the player will sound right on ipods right now though |
| 20:20:22 | kkurbjun | as it's similar code to doom |
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| 20:21:15 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: Does Doom sound correct on the H300? How is the resampling to 44.1KHz handled? |
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| 20:24:00 | XavierGr | kkbjurn: Great stuff. Is there a chance to commit them? |
| 20:24:10 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, yes it sounds correct on the H300, the resampling is handled in i_sound.c mostly under updatesoundparams. it just changes the stepping for different sample rates |
| 20:24:54 | kkurbjun | XavierGr, I don't know how the rest of the team feels committing it as it's technically a new feature altough an ignored one |
| 20:25:39 | XavierGr | but midi has partial support on todays builds |
| 20:25:54 | XavierGr | so making better isn't a new feature |
| 20:25:58 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: I'm curious why the sound on the ipod is playing too fast. It only plays at the correct speed when I change SAMPLERATE in i_sound.c to 44100 |
| 20:26:03 | XavierGr | but yeah you should ask the devs |
| 20:26:21 | amiconn | Wee |
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| 20:26:42 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, since the sound is fine on the H300's I was wondering if the sampling wasn't being taken into account when rb->pcm_set_frequency is called |
| 20:27:00 | XavierGr | Although, IMHO, introducing a new audio format for the upcoming release (and optimized) would be sweet. |
| 20:27:08 | Ctcp | Ignored 9 channel CTCP requests in 33 minutes and 49 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:27:08 | * | amiconn now added some magic that reduces ticking on H1x0 even with 'reduce ticking' disabled, and makes 'reduce ticking' work better while allowing faster remote lcd updates |
| 20:27:21 | XavierGr | amiconn: really? |
| 20:27:25 | amiconn | yup |
| 20:27:28 | kkurbjun | because it sounds like that call isn't doing anything on the ipods |
| 20:27:41 | midkay | hey XavierGr you created the VMware image, right? |
| 20:27:45 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: Just to clarify, on the H300, i_sound.c is outputting sound at 11.025KHz? |
| 20:27:46 | XavierGr | yup |
| 20:27:55 | kkurbjun | yes |
| 20:27:59 | amiconn | XavierGr: I'd like you to test this stuff. It'll be ready soon |
| 20:28:07 | XavierGr | of course. |
| 20:28:11 | midkay | (works very well by the way) - how did you get that huge rockbox logo? :) |
| 20:28:17 | muesli__ | amiconn had some lessons in defense of the dark arts? |
| 20:28:20 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: OK, then there must be something wrong with pcm_set_frequency(), as you suggest. |
| 20:28:26 | XavierGr | midkay: from the manual |
| 20:28:33 | XavierGr | midkay: and thanks :) |
| 20:28:34 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: should it be a viewer, rocks or codec? |
| 20:28:35 | Gargamale | Dark Arts? |
| 20:28:42 | midkay | XavierGr, oh, interesting, thx :) |
| 20:28:47 | kkurbjun | linuxstb_, what do you think about committing a patch on the midi player? |
| 20:29:24 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, I fogot to mention that midiplay.rock should replace midi2wav.rock in viewers.config |
| 20:29:25 | amiconn | No, had some thoughts about doing lcd accesses in byte blocks with intermediate silence instead of stretching all bits, and also keep the data line at the same level when not accessing the lcd |
| 20:29:41 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: okay |
| 20:29:57 | muesli__ | amiconn dumbledore will appreciate it ;-) |
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| 20:30:12 | amiconn | Before, the data line was left at whatever level the last bit had |
| 20:30:35 | amiconn | Now I force it high at the end of a byte, that's the opposite of the idle level of CLK |
| 20:30:44 | muesli__ | kkurbjun that means music is now possible in doom? |
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| 20:32:04 | kkurbjun | muesli__, not yet, the midi player still needs some speed improvement and the mus2midi code needs to be added back to doom which I don't think I'll do till after rb 3.0 |
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| 20:32:29 | muesli__ | mk :-) |
| 20:33:16 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: It would be nice to commit it, but we are in a feature freeze, and a midi player probably counts as a new feature... |
| 20:33:42 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: wow you print a lot of text :) |
| 20:33:55 | muesli__ | btw when is the deadline for the freeze? |
| 20:33:56 | XavierGr | ah midiplayer... I thought it just played midi like the previous one |
| 20:34:01 | XavierGr | 1 may |
| 20:34:09 | XavierGr | but maybe it will be further |
| 20:34:10 | kkurbjun | that's kindof what I figured, do you think that committing changes to the midi core that don't affect midi2wav is alright though? |
| 20:34:47 | kkurbjun | I'll just leave out midiplay.c |
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| 20:35:25 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, yeah, the old code had all those printf's in it |
| 20:35:37 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, what are you running it on? |
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| 20:36:53 | Mikachu | ipod nano |
| 20:37:17 | kkurbjun | I'm guessing it sounds distorted correct? |
| 20:37:23 | Mikachu | not getting any sound just yet |
| 20:38:05 | Mikachu | ah, there we go |
| 20:38:18 | linuxstb_ | Does anyone here understand the uda1380 playback code? I'm confused about why the pcm_set_frequency() function in pcm_playback.c appears to be accepting samplerates other than 44.1KHz. |
| 20:38:22 | Mikachu | played at double pitch or so for a few seconds then crashed |
| 20:38:47 | Mikachu | you even managed to crash so much that the wheel doesn't enable backlight |
| 20:39:25 | kkurbjun | Mikachu, yep, what I expected for now, gotta go though.. I think there's some buffer overruns going on in the midi code right now which I need to look into |
| 20:39:40 | Mikachu | okay |
| 20:39:49 | Mikachu | now you know :) |
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| 20:43:11 | RedBreva | \opt{RECORDER_PAD}{\ButtonPlay} |
| 20:43:11 | RedBreva | \opt{IRIVER_H100_PAD,IRIVER_H300_PAD}{\ButtonPlay + \ButtonLeft} |
| 20:43:11 | RedBreva | \opt{AUDIO_X5_PAD,IPOD_4G_PAD}{\fixme{TBD}} |
| 20:43:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK RedBreva |
| 20:43:12 | RedBreva | \opt{ONDIO_PAD}{Hold \ButtomLeft} % |
| 20:43:18 | RedBreva | Aghhhh!!! |
| 20:43:20 | michaelconner | i've got a 4g color ipod −− d/l'd a CVS build about an hour ago. lots of playback skips w/vbr MP3's (as in, several per song) |
| 20:43:35 | RedBreva | Wrong Clipboard! |
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