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#rockbox log for 2006-04-11

00:00:10Mikachu <- petur fixed this one a few days ago didn't he?
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00:01:04peturdidn't know there was another report on the tracker :(
00:01:19midkayanybody objecting to my creating a new battery type for the iAudio X5? it currently uses LIPOL1300, the min capacity of which is 1300mah, but the X5's battery is 950mAh, so i think the best thing to do is just #define a new LIPOL950..
00:01:49Mikachupetur: i think this was reported after you fixed it.. :)
00:02:02peturyes I saw it and I closed it ;)
00:02:09Bagdermidkay: I'm not sure a new "type" is the correct answer to that problem
00:02:24midkayBagder, what is then?
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00:02:56midkaythe battery situation imo rather sux.. people probably don't know what to select, and i think iPod's battery is even lower than 950 mAh..
00:03:01Bagdera single type for all similar LiIon ones and a default mah for the model
00:03:17Bagder... but now I'll go sleep
00:03:22midkayBagder, one sec..
00:03:55midkaywhat do you think about preset values? e.g. "450 mAh (iPod 5G, Nano)", "950 mAh (iAudio X5)", ..
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00:04:41Bagderlike I said
00:04:49Bagderit could be fixed nicer too
00:05:12Bagder"a single type for all similar LiIon ones and a default mah for the model"
00:05:16amiconnmin/max/default mAh should be set by model
00:05:42midkayhm, that sounds like a good idea, i'll do that i think..
00:06:47amiconnThe ticks have an amplitude of ~8mV at 124MHz with cvs and reduction disabled
00:07:10amiconnThe signal looks quite noise though at max. inpu amplification of my scope
00:07:37|Unknown|where do I download pacbox?
00:08:16Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: All plugins are included. For instructions on how to use them, go to their page in the wiki for example PluginPacbox
00:08:30amiconnThe amplitude doesn't change at all with reduction, the signal is just 'smeared'
00:08:48lostlogicamiconn: then we'll need an algorithm to calculate the other percentages than 100 and 0
00:09:19amiconnThey can be precalculated... they are now
00:09:53lostlogicthen they need to be calculated per target as well
00:10:05lostlogicnot just per chemistry
00:10:27|Unknown|It says you need Midway Pacman rom
00:10:59midkayis there any way to distinguish between X5 and X5L? on-target or during compile?
00:11:00lostlogic|Unknown|: probably need to get a rom then.
00:11:03Paul_The_Nerd|Unknown|: Yes. Legally you should actually own the arcade cabinet and extract these roms yourself, so please do not ask where to get them
00:11:15Moosmidkay: not yet I think
00:12:05Moosbecause just batterie difference
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00:13:16midkayright. hm..
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00:19:31*amiconn wonders whether a 'sliced update' in the background with intermediate yield()s would work even better for ticking reduction while avoiding CPU hogging at the same time
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00:24:56preglowamiconn: gcc people says a reduced testcase would be nice...
00:25:01preglowgod, they're swift on the bugs
00:25:15amiconnReduced testcase for what?
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00:28:08amiconnHmm, the sliced update won't work that well
00:28:40amiconn...but I have another idea
00:28:46preglowamiconn: the 64 bit gcc bug
00:29:06amiconnAh, that one
00:29:07preglowthe only reason why i'd ever want to hang around the gcc people in the first place
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00:29:27amiconnWell, I wouldn't know how to reduce that
00:29:56amiconnI have no full m68k-elf-gcc available for finding a test case
00:30:07amiconnIt's already xgcc that vomits
00:30:29amiconn..and the function it stumbles upon is tiny (!)
00:30:34preglowwe could just reduce libgcc2.c
00:30:47MoosMikachu: around?
00:30:52amiconnDid you have a look at the .i file I posed?
00:30:59preglowi've got a feeling this patch will be stuck in limbo until some gcc dev actuaklly needs this
00:31:09preglowbut i doubt they did
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00:31:25amiconnI doubt this could be made much shorter
00:31:34MikachuMoos: yes, why?
00:31:46amiconnWell, why do they want the .i when they don't take a look at it??
00:31:51amiconnThat makes no sense
00:32:04sayoceanhow doo i get out of osciloscope?
00:32:39goffa_on my x5 you have to hit the power button momentarily
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00:33:07MoosMikachu: hi, you mentioned playlist insert wasn't bugy for you, right?
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00:33:26MikachuMoos: i said it was buggy, but only with a change i made :)
00:33:52lostlogicapparently it's buggy without that change too
00:33:55Mooscan you try one thing with clean cvs?
00:33:56Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: He doesn't mean "turn it off"
00:34:20amiconnsayocean: what target?
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00:35:06bananafonhow do i get out of plugins? (this is sayocean)
00:35:16MoosMikachu: try this: insert one song "from scratch", let' it play a bit, and stop it. After this reinsert one song.
00:35:47MoosMikachu: here when I do this I've got always, no playback with wps screen freezed
00:35:54amiconnbananafon: [00:33:41] <amiconn> sayocean: what target?
00:36:00MoosMikachu: can you reproduce this?
00:36:17MikachuMoos: how do you empty the playlist?
00:36:27Paul_The_Nerdbananafon: Often it's Menu+Select
00:36:46preglowamiconn: what, have you trimmed that file?
00:36:47bananafonoh there we go
00:36:49bananafonthanks paul
00:36:58amiconnpreglow: Hmm?
00:37:03preglowamiconn: the .i file
00:37:06MoosMikachu: just playlist with the unique song you inserted, and then stop it and retry with other song...
00:37:25amiconnThe .i is the preprocessor output. It simply is much shorter than the original .c
00:37:41amiconn(lots of stuff #ifdefed away for m68k)
00:38:03MikachuMoos: by stop, do you mean stop or pause?
00:38:14Moosstop it completly
00:38:22Mikachuso the icon is a black square in the status bar?
00:38:25Moosand insert the same or one other song
00:38:47MoosMikachu: yeah
00:38:52preglowamiconn: i see
00:39:00preglowi'll badger them a bit more, then
00:39:06MikachuMoos: that seems to work here
00:39:14MikachuMoos: and i doubt i did anything that would fix a bug in clean cvs
00:39:26bananafonso doom works nicely on th eipod
00:39:27Mooshehe : )
00:39:54MoosMikachu: maybe setting specific, I'try reseting settings then
00:39:58Lambodoom doesn't work on my 5g iPod :/
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00:40:18bananafonu go under plugin?
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00:40:51Mikachuif you stop playback and insert a song, it clears the old playlist
00:41:01Mikachui've wondered how to do that forever, but nobody's ever told me
00:41:02Moosyep of course
00:41:09Mikachuwhy would that be of course?
00:41:12LamboI get CRBRICK not found
00:41:23Mikachui would expect playing state and playlist management to have NOTHING to do with eachother
00:41:28ashridahLambo: did you include the rockdoom.wad file?
00:41:34MoosMikachu: I always play tunes like this way, nut insert directories ans shuffle them : )
00:41:40ashridahand, of course, a doom1/doom2.wad ?
00:42:06MikachuMoos: does it happen every time for you?
00:42:17preglowamiconn: did you take a look at the combine.c code in gcc that fails?
00:42:25MoosMikachu: yep, I trying with seeting defaults
00:42:42MikachuMoos: i get it sitting at 0:00 while saying Playing sometimes
00:42:48Mikachubut pausing/playing starts playback
00:42:57*Lambo sticks ipod into disk mode and fiddles with files
00:42:57ashridahi just renamed a directory
00:43:04ashridahit said "rename failed"
00:43:05ashridahand worked anyway
00:43:05Mikachualso, scrolling text is busted
00:43:26ashridah(didnt' update the screen until i'd tried to enter the old directory name, at which point, it changed to the new directory name)
00:43:53MoosMikachu: definitively seetings specific, when rest seeting isn't the bug
00:44:17MoosMikachu: I'll try to spot which one caused this for lostlogic
00:44:33amiconnpreglow: nope
00:44:40preglowi'm taking a look at it now
00:44:45preglowseems to be a sign extension bug indeed
00:44:47preglownot very surprising
00:45:28MoosMikachu: yeah sitting at 00:00 here too, but no playback and all the WPS screen freezed (progress bar...)
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00:47:08Lamboashridah, never had my problem before? :/
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00:49:14MikachuMoos: does it start if you pause/play?
00:50:34Mooswith my problematics seetings, when I stop and start any song again, no playback in any ways and WPS screen freezed, but I can stop the tune anyway
00:50:50Moosbut no song, need to reboot
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00:53:04preglowwading through tons of tons of bloody compiler code
00:53:05preglowgreat fun
00:53:11preglowthe code snippet is very, very easy
00:53:20MoosMikachu, lostlogic: ok, I've got it, it seems to be crossfade
00:53:27preglowbut with nested macros deep enough to sicken a goat
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00:55:11MoosMikachu: can you try with crossfade on?
00:55:48Mooshere buguish all the time when crossfade one (in the way I described)
00:56:19lostlogicdamn, made it this far without modifying the codec_api, but the time has come.
00:59:09Lambodoom laoded
00:59:18preglowamiconn: apparently, most people don't care about m68k gcc anymore since it's become an embedded target
00:59:32preglowlostlogic: oh, what needs to be done?
01:00:22lostlogicI need to add a discard_codec function, because currently there is no 'correct' way to tell when the codec thread has actually loaded the codec from the buffer, so it's kinda just assumed tob e there until it is semi-randomly discarded by the buffer fill, which is among the several reasons that skipping is unreliable.
01:02:27preglowwhy'd it work before? :>
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01:02:59lostlogicit wouldn't have if you skipped back a track at just the right moment during buffer fill
01:03:36lostlogicAnd that kind of "it works by magic" logic is why I'm in this code int he first place.
01:04:45*amiconn needs to get his head around the 'noise ramp up/ramp down' logic
01:05:04preglowlostlogic: but sure, you just go do what you need to do
01:07:09amiconnlostlogic: It seems to really make sense to handle the codecs the same way as ordinary buffer content - tell the audio thread when they are consumed
01:07:32lostlogicamiconn: exactly, which is why I added this callback
01:08:02amiconnOne difference is probably that it causes audiobuffer content to be consumed out of sequence
01:08:19lostlogicamiconn: not at all, the codec is by definition consumed between songs
01:08:42amiconnOkay, even better
01:09:35amiconnWhen you got the codec handling in, handling metadata in-buffer is probably the same thing...
01:10:28lostlogicyep, probably add the reading of the metadata to the codec_thread loop, to ensure linear consumption of the buffer, and bang-zoom
01:11:43preglowstraight to the moon!
01:12:19ashridah* preglow is now known as morty
01:12:34ashridah(if i remember those cartoons right)
01:13:25dpassen1I thought it was Ralph from the Honeymooners
01:13:32preglowit is
01:13:44preglownever saw it, but it gets referenced everywhere,heh
01:14:34goffa_yeah.. honeymooners it was
01:15:04ashridahheh, i was thinking of one of those looney tunes cartoons.
01:15:09*ashridah stands corrected
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01:16:42lostlogicgah, all of my logfs look great, the codec gets loaded, the track changes, it detects that the codec needs swapping out, the old codec stops, but then it says to me that the codec slot is empty. w.t.f.
01:19:03***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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01:25:06ashridahpreglow: did your crossfeed patch make it into cvs?
01:25:20preglowashridah: ah, no, i'll have it in tomorrow
01:25:21midkaywe want crossfeed v2 !!!!!!!!!!!
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01:25:26preglowi'll be gone for a little while after that
01:25:35ashridahthat explains why i wasn't deafened just then :)
01:25:37Mikachuthe commit and run
01:25:59Mikachumidkay: i think i made a better fix for the playlist viewer thing
01:26:22midkayMikachu, i _just_ noticed and had a look at the code..
01:26:49midkayhm.. ugliness :)
01:26:56Mikachulook 10 lines up in the same file
01:27:16midkaylet me finish my quickscreen work and i'll get to your patch :)
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01:28:35preglowamiconn: i give up, i can't wade through this source anymore
01:31:09lostlogicHAH! a remnant of the old "random" buffer clearing!
01:31:51midkaylostlogic, hm, i think all this playback work is screwing with your mind.. maybe you should stop now while you're still partially in control of yourself.
01:32:06lostlogicnaw, it's just getting interesting
01:32:24*midkay prays that we don't lose him before playback works again
01:32:34lostlogicif this works then a few more things to hunt down in back skipping and I can commit my biggest single patch of the process :)
01:32:53midkayplease, please.. let him finish.. :)
01:33:24lostlogic:-P +249, -244 lines
01:33:46midkaysomeone's obviously out to bloat the source..
01:33:55lostlogicI add comments
01:34:02midkaysuuure.. bloater..
01:34:28lostlogicoverall since revision 1.226, not counting comments, I'm down 603 and up 552
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01:35:08midkayyou can't squirm your way out of such accusations with your technical mumbo jumbo. you're a code bloater!
01:35:27lostlogicyes, you're right
01:35:40midkayjust kidding! ha, i had you fooled. :)
01:35:53lostlogicbagh, back skipping still leads to much insanity.
01:36:11midkaysux.. well, i'm sure you can handle it.. :)
01:36:37Paul_The_NerdClearly back skipping should just be disabled
01:36:53lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: that's right, it's just scope creep to include it :)
01:37:01midkayPaul_The_Nerd, well, for safety i was thinking that disabling any and all seeking/skipping should be avoided.
01:37:30Paul_The_NerdC'mon, removing back skipping will surely help reduce binary size, resolve outstanding bugs, and increase the overall stability of the project.
01:37:31midkaypause could be problematic, so that might need commenting-out too. in fact.. maybe we should just not allow audio playback at all for 3.0, until it's working better.
01:37:46midkaythe "todo" for 3.1 could be "make audio work"!
01:37:53preglowwho cares anyway
01:37:56preglowwe have doom now
01:38:02midkayyeah, seriously.
01:38:26midkaybbi 1h!
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01:38:32Paul_The_NerdConsidering the ratio of "How do I get doom to work?" posts to "Hey, audio's funky with these new builds" posts in the iPod forum...
01:38:54Mikachuat least you're attracting some attention to the project
01:39:06Mikachuyou're = it's
01:39:31Mikachudoom is why i installed ipl in the first place :)
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01:41:58goffa_lol.. rockbox.. you can't play music... but you can play doom.. sound like a slogan to me ;)
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01:47:49*XavierGr drools over the idea of 2 player mode in Doom using the USBOTG on H300!!!!
01:49:30Mikachuwhy not using the remote!!!
01:49:55goffa_i think pong should have a 1 player mode
01:49:59XavierGrDoom on the remote screen? You stretched this too far! :P
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01:50:20goffa_lol.. i can see it now... lan doom on a usb hub
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01:51:28*Paul_The_Nerd still thinks there should be a modem feature for transmitting data between players across line-out / line-in, if we're going to get into the patently unlikely.
01:53:31Mikachuwhy not wireless gaming with the piezo and a microphone?
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01:54:47Paul_The_NerdOh, see, now that I like
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01:55:15Mikachuit will be the DS killer
01:55:17*preglow kicks gcc
01:55:47preglowflaming piece of shit
01:56:04adamdullentythat's almost as stupid as the "omg let's build a video out module for the H300!!!" ... you're just building a video player :S and the iRiver itself is reduced to merely a storage device.
01:56:07adamdullentyjust use something else, lol
01:56:29Mikachuthere is a small possibility that we were joking
01:56:36adamdullentyhaha, I do realise ;_
01:56:51maeckOh man, that was just the thing I was waiting for
01:59:40MoosGlory for Rockbox !
01:59:42Moos: )
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02:01:06adamdullentysorry, I had to dash off earlier - but could someone explain what a "short name" is
02:01:19adamdullentyapparently windows not understanding them is the cause of this error i'm currently experiencing:
02:01:30Paul_The_Nerdadamdullenty: Are you using a bleeding edge build?
02:01:39Paul_The_NerdI understood that problem had been resolved.
02:01:47adamdullentyyep someone told me how to fix it earlier
02:01:50Moosisn't suposed to be fixed by petur?
02:01:53adamdullentyI was just wondering what a short name is :)
02:02:08adamdullentyout of interest
02:02:22adamdullentyall the filenames seem different to me in rockbox file view
02:02:28Moosgo download bleeding edge build !
02:02:30Moos: )
02:02:56adamdullentyhaha, aren't they more buggy than the daily builds?
02:03:17Paul_The_NerdBasically, a short name is the 8.3 format name that you sometimes see. 8-character name, so if you have two files ABCDEFGHI.bla and ABCDEFGHJ.bla, it would be ABCDEF~1.bla and ABCDEF~2.bla, or should be?
02:03:17Moosthat will be the tommorrow daily build :)
02:03:26Paul_The_NerdWhy do people think the bleeding edge is more buggy than the daily?
02:03:38Paul_The_NerdAll the daily is, is a repeat of the most recent bleeding edge before it...
02:03:54MoosPaul: mythe
02:03:58lostlogicwhee, back skipping causes tracks to skip in seemling random sequence for a seemingly random amount of time until it finds one it's happy about and plays it :)
02:04:08lostlogicFEATURE, NOT A BUG −− Rockbox AI
02:04:17adamdullentybecause you'd expect if you're using a build which may just have had some code submitted, a second before you download it, to not have been checked... and a build for the end of the day to have been checked and de-bugged
02:04:18MoosCongrates !
02:04:44Paul_The_NerdMoos: What?
02:05:18Moosone myth I meant
02:05:31Moosthe bleeding edge build unstability
02:05:47Paul_The_Nerdadamdullenty: That doesn't make any sense though. I mean yes, there could be code that JUST got submitted before you download the bleeding. But it could also just get submitted before the daily. Code is constantly checked 24 hours, so the daily is basically just as checked as the bleeding.
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02:06:37Moosin 4 hours one daily build will be created : )
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02:06:53adamdullentyah. see that's where your problem is with people thinking the daily is more stable than the bleeding. as far as I can tell people automatically assume the reason for having a daily seperate to the bleeding edge would sensibly be that one is more thoroughly checked than the other
02:07:11adamdullentyit may be a wrong assumption but it's the one I made as a newbie, at least
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02:07:41Paul_The_NerdThe daily really is just an archive made once per day so people can get the older versions.
02:08:02Paul_The_NerdSome developers may try to wait until after the daily is built to submit code they're unsure of, but I at least don't see people *state* that they're doing that very often.
02:08:04adamdullentyperhaps that should be explained on the daily builds page :)
02:08:18FlyingSaucrDudeThis may be a stupid question, but...does anybody in here know if there's an easy way to make Rockbox properly read accented characters in m3u playlists on an iriver H120? (Or if this is a known bug, or if there's an easy way for me to find out if it is?)
02:08:22adamdullentyis it a wiki?
02:08:35Paul_The_Nerdadamdullenty: The build pages are not, I believe
02:08:41adamdullentyah kk
02:11:59FlyingSaucrDudeI guess I'll take that as a "No" then...oh well.
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02:12:45adamdullentydon't know, sorry. have you checked the bug tracker
02:12:53adamdullentyflypaper or whatever it's called
02:13:31FlyingSaucrDudeYeah...I didn't see anything
02:14:04FlyingSaucrDudeBut the last time I thought I had a bug, I checked there and didn't see anything, but came in here, was told it was a known bug, and a bleeding edge build fixed it :-)
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02:15:19adamdullentyaha :) I see
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02:17:29Paul_The_NerdOne solution is to just not have accented characters in your filenames. ;-)
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02:17:53maeckhmm, I seem not to get the scrollwheel create repeated keypresses in a plugin
02:17:55XavierGrtime to hit the sack!
02:18:07maeckanybody got some tips?
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02:18:21maeckseems to work for brickmania and the menu
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02:23:44adamdullentyI just read that the playback engine is being rewritten
02:23:55sharpewhat if it is?
02:23:58adamdullentyis this complete or does anyone know if it has a target date
02:24:00sharpehuh? what if it is?!
02:24:16adamdullentyi'll.... beat you with a stick!
02:24:18Paul_The_Nerdadamdullenty: Target date is May 1st, really.
02:24:19adamdullentyit's a good stick
02:24:27lostlogichaha, where's our we don't estimate release dates topic!?
02:24:41adamdullentylol sorry
02:24:41Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Well, we actually *have* a release date at the moment. :)
02:24:42lostlogicI'll finish my work on the playback engine when it's done.
02:24:57sharpelets have an acronym for everything the topic should be :D
02:25:01adamdullentyWas just wondering.... :)
02:25:04lostlogicnot a moment earlier and not a moment later :)
02:25:33Paul_The_Nerdadamdullenty: You'll know it's done when you stop hearing about how horrible back skipping is every 30 minutes or so in here.
02:25:50lostlogichave I mentioned that back skipping is a nightmare with wings? It is.
02:25:51adamdullentysee if it was going to be ready tomorrow, wouldn't be worth me updating to a bleeding edge build tonight... could do it tomorrow. if it's a month off, obviously, it'd be worth updating now :)
02:26:16lostlogicadamdullenty: it kinda sorta mostly works now :)
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02:26:33Paul_The_NerdJust don't try to go to the previous track. :-P
02:26:52Paul_The_NerdNo, really.
02:26:54Paul_The_NerdThe world will end.
02:27:05sharpeyou know how long it took us to fix it last time?
02:27:12sharpei don't want to think about it.
02:27:12lostlogicI'm considering committing it as it is, because the diff has gotten large, and it's about as good as it was, back is more broken, but forward is less broken.
02:27:48Paul_The_NerdIf forward is less broken, I'm all for it.
02:27:54Mikachuthere's always cvs branch if you want to get some history for your own use
02:28:00Paul_The_NerdDown with back skippers!
02:28:03Paul_The_NerdForward all the way!
02:28:40adamdullentyah I never back skip anyway
02:28:48preglowanyone think of a reason why i shouldn't set default emac mode to fractional in the main thread?
02:28:48adamdullentywouldn't want to be part of that shifty lot... ~_~
02:29:11adamdullentybecause of the dingbats
02:29:14adamdullentythey'll be angry
02:29:15Mikachupreglow: i have no idea what that means so i don't
02:29:34adamdullentyneither do I but doesn't stop you being imaginitive :)
02:29:54lostlogicbagh, forward skipping still sometimes ends playback unexpectedly, so I guess I'll hold off.
02:30:17lostlogicMikachu: I should setup git to store my local changes in, versioned
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02:32:31adamdullentyhas rockbox on the H300 stopped trying to detect when you update firmware
02:33:16adamdullentyyou know when you update rockbox...
02:33:23adamdullentyand unplug the usb cable
02:33:32adamdullentyit pops up saying "Oooh a new version. restart?"
02:33:38adamdullenty[paraphrasing slightly there]
02:33:44Paul_The_NerdIs there a problem with that feature?
02:33:47adamdullentyhas that been disabled? didn't do it just then
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02:38:26preglowbut ok
02:38:34preglowthink i've got crossfeed going ready for commit tomorrow now
02:38:48MoosWee !
02:38:51Moos: )
02:39:13Moossomething changes since your last patch? out of curiosity
02:40:14adamdullentyoh another question, does the channels selection menu work now? [ie being able to select "mono" output instead of "stereo" [mostly for when sharing headphones with someone]]
02:40:53adamdullentycould check myself but have left my headphones at work... dumdumdum
02:41:06adamdullentythat or lost them
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02:42:47preglowMoos: well, yeah, it works on h120 now
02:43:36Moospretty close to commit it then? you'll make some people happy
02:43:55preglowjust beware the settings might need to be reset if someone wants to test it
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02:52:12Moospreglow: I will, but time for sleep a bit here
02:52:19MoosGood night or day at all
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02:55:07preglowoh, it's definitely good night
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03:40:11Ricky28269regarding ipod 5g, updating it to the newest firmware version will not affect rockbox or the special bootloader at all, correct?
03:40:19Ricky28269*newest apple firmware
03:40:36Paul_The_NerdIt'll overwrite the rockbox bootloader, I believe.
03:40:49Ricky28269and then i just reinstall the bootloader?
03:42:02Ricky28269k well i'm kinda in a hurry, i'll just reinstall the bootloader after it updates... bye, thanks for the quick response to my first question :)
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03:53:22Ricky28269sometimes my ipod 5g won't load original firmware when i hold menu as it starts up: is the bootloader buggy?
03:53:45Mikachuyou have to get a knack for it
03:53:46Paul_The_NerdI've never had a problem. You're probably just not quite getting the timing right.
03:54:01Paul_The_NerdThough if you aren't precise with your finger, you can trigger scroll events and that'll mess up the detection
03:54:07Paul_The_NerdOr so I've been told
03:54:09Mikachuit's like jumping to the left of the spikes near the start of the second level in sonic 1
03:54:13Ricky28269hmm.... ok lol
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03:54:36Ricky28269thanks again!
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03:54:44Paul_The_NerdNow that was an odd comparison.
03:55:20Mikachuit takes a lot of tries at first, but then it's pretty easy
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04:03:11Angel_of_DeathDUDE! WHO JUST WATCHED 24?
04:04:51Mikachui'm guessing you did?
04:05:28Mikachuwhat do i win?
04:05:45Angel_of_Deatha cookie?
04:05:47sayoceanangel whats up ?
04:05:54sayoceani got doom to play :)
04:05:54sayoceanpretty sweet
04:06:00Angel_of_Deathguessing u got a good build?
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04:06:13sayoceanbleeding edge from last nite/this morning
04:06:38sayoceanthe issues testers are reporting in this thread ( ) are what im also getting
04:06:50Angel_of_Deathwhats bleeding edge?
04:07:03sayoceanlike the most current update or something
04:07:07sayoceani might be wrong
04:07:11Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: There's a lot of different issues being reported there.
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04:08:07Angel_of_Deathbleeding edge is just a term?
04:08:15Mikachuyes, it doesn't actually bleed
04:09:56Paul_The_NerdMine does. There's a patch for that. ;-)
04:11:01lostlogicI need opinions on a buffer filling matter, which is rather complex. Do any of you have opinions?
04:11:42Paul_The_NerdI have an opinion.
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04:11:47Paul_The_NerdI have three, actually
04:11:49Mikachui don't like onions
04:12:48Paul_The_NerdI will gladly offer any non-expert opinion I can.
04:12:50sayocean[21:10] <Paul_The_Nerd> Mine does. There's a patch for that. ;-)
04:12:52lostlogicWhen the compressed codec buffer runs empty, a refill is initiated, and at this time, the currently playing track's data is dropped off of the buffer up-to the currently playing point. As long as buffer fill continues, should this current-track data point be updated (basically allowing the buffer to fill right up to the playing track's ass), or should the buffer fill just around to that initial point at which data was dropped?
04:12:53sayoceani love that
04:13:24Mikachui think i have to draw a picture for that sentence
04:13:57sayoceanhey paul
04:13:57sayoceangot a question
04:14:00lostlogicThe tradeoff is that if we constantly update the fill-end point, we get the most possible data onto the buffer, BUT ANY TIME we seek backwards during the buffer fill, or on the same track after the buffer fill, it will force a rebuffer.
04:14:09sayoceanthe older ipods, do they have recording capability via the phone jack ?
04:14:42Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Well, I imagine that while dropping and filling up to the ass will improve the battery life, but I think sticking with the method that doesn't force the rebuffer will probably help keep things simpler (and thus less likely for bugs to work in) no?
04:14:56gursikhman, I need a dap with a phone jack....
04:15:12sayoceanlol gursikh
04:15:13sayoceanfunny guy
04:15:30lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: honestly, it's a matter of moving a block of code up or down about 4 lines...
04:15:31sayoceanif you didnt understand that "phone jack" = "headphone jack" ... lol
04:15:32Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: not in rockbox.
04:15:40Mikachulostlogic: i think you want amiconn or something for that one :)
04:15:52sayoceanbut i dont understand.. how can the headphone jack of the ipod pick up sound and record it ?
04:15:59Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I really think that seeking within the current song should never require a rebuffer, but that's my personal opinion
04:16:09Mikachusayocean: a speaker and a microphone is the same thing
04:16:11sayoceando you have to plug in an external recorder?
04:16:20zeMikachu: unless its a condensor mic
04:16:34lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: well I'm not quite willing to go that far, but I'll move the block of code down 4 lines so that it doesn't _always_ require a rebuffer to seek back during buffer fill.
04:16:37Mikachuyeah maybe they don't make great speakers
04:16:37sayoceanso you dont need an external mic
04:16:43Mikachubut from an electrical point of view
04:16:51Mikachuand headphones are probably not so good to record with either
04:17:15zei suppose its maybe possible for a condensor mic to work as a speaker
04:17:20zei've heard of condensor headphones
04:17:28zebut it requires some special wiring at least
04:17:43zeunless maybe its electret
04:18:00Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Hehehe. I suppose the drive *is* already spun up at that point anyway, so actually I guess I could go either way on that issue. =/
04:18:40lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: exactly, hence the opinion, and not an obvious "right way"\
04:18:49Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Because the headphone jack is probably also wired as a line in.
04:19:19sayoceandamn im confused
04:19:33sayoceanso a standalone ipod (4g) can record with ipodlinux
04:19:45sayoceanno need for a microphone to be inserted into the headphone jack
04:19:45Mikachusayocean: you'll be happy to know the jack also can be a video out on video ipods
04:20:11carinilostlogic: I think seeking back in the track is much less common than not seeking, so optimize for the common case and fill the buffer as far as you can.
04:20:37Mikachusayocean: you need a microphone to record though
04:20:41Mikachui don't think it has a builtin one
04:20:42sayoceanoh ok
04:20:42lostlogiccarini: damned conflicting opinions!
04:20:53lostlogiccarini: thanks, I'll leave it an open issue for now, like I said, it's easy to adjust.
04:20:57sayoceanso you eithe rhave to make one or buy one
04:21:04Mikachulostlogic: is this a situation that occurs just after having seeked forward?
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04:21:38cariniMikachu: That's a good question!
04:21:44Angel_of_Deathalright help is required
04:21:51lostlogicMikachu: for that matter... I pretty much hafta do it the way paul initially said or ab will suck heavily if you trigger it on an area that is not entirely buffered.
04:22:16lostlogicMikachu: as for the seeking forward query... it will happen whenever the buffer is filling
04:22:21sayoceananyone had podzilla on their ipods?
04:22:24sayocean5G ?
04:22:37Mikachui just thought that if you seek forward, you might be likely to seek backward a tiny bit just after
04:22:45sayocean4. Record via Line In a microphone or even use your headphones.
04:22:59sayoceanwtf????? youre headphones can pick up audio and act as a microphone??!?!?!
04:23:02Angel_of_Deathi play doom on my iPod for reasons i do not know, and i downloaded some wad files or "lvls" for it, but when i select them via doom on 5g and i hit play game it comes up with like 278 errors of missing textures and so on
04:23:06lostlogicMikachu: ah, well yes, that would be likely to trigger a rebuffer.
04:23:09Angel_of_Deathyes sayocean
04:23:23Angel_of_Deathplug headphones into the mic jack on ur computer
04:23:24sayoceanthat is sweet
04:23:25lostlogicrebuffers are expensive so I think it's worth not filling up some of the buffer to avoid them, now that I think about it.
04:23:36sayoceantrue angle
04:23:39sayoceanima try that now
04:23:41Angel_of_Deathand open up sound recorder
04:23:46Angel_of_Deathrecord something and play it back
04:23:47Mikachulostlogic: if you seek forward within the buffer, do you immediately discard the buffer between where you were and the new point, or does it stay in until it wraps back to that point?
04:23:56Angel_of_Deathi used headphones for a few days on counter-strike before i got a mic
04:24:10Angel_of_Deathu sound like shit but they can get weather ur saying ALPHA OR BRAVO
04:24:31Angel_of_Deathso any1 have some answers on my question?
04:24:57Mikachumaybe the addon isn't compatible then, who knows
04:25:00Mikachutry another one
04:25:08Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: You didn't actually ask a question, but yeah it's probably an incompatible addon.
04:25:24Angel_of_Deathwell i downloaded more than one
04:25:28Angel_of_Deathlike 8
04:25:32Angel_of_Deathand none of them worked
04:25:36sayoceanit does work lol
04:25:45Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Are you sure you're using them with the right base wad?
04:25:49Angel_of_Deathand they said they worked lol.. got the link directly from
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04:26:03lostlogicMikachu: it is marked as free, but it is not overwritten and can still be seeked back to until it is overwritten.
04:26:06Angel_of_Deathi dont know where to get other base wads, so no
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04:26:18Mikachulostlogic: ah okay, that was the case i was thinking about
04:26:21Angel_of_Deathsayocean, if i remeber its only the right one tho?
04:27:06sayoceanleft one
04:27:19Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: most of them want Doom 2 probably
04:27:20sayoceanim reallly really tempted to hit up IpodLinux on my 5G lol
04:27:26sayoceanjust for the recording capa
04:27:38Angel_of_Deathyou can have iPod linux and rockbox if u want
04:27:48Angel_of_Deathbut also with IL its not *released for iPod*
04:27:53Angel_of_Deathu can just get builds
04:28:08sayoceani dont know if its gonna work on 5G
04:28:09Paul_The_NerdWell technically Rockbox isn't "released" for iPod yet either
04:28:13Angel_of_Deathi had similar thoughts yesterday
04:28:19Angel_of_Deathi know thats what i said paul
04:28:29sayoceanbut ive seen a video
04:28:34Paul_The_NerdYou said IL isn't released...
04:28:36sayoceanof someone with ipl loader
04:28:39Angel_of_Deathi said also
04:28:41sayoceanon their video ipod
04:28:41Angel_of_Deathi meant like
04:28:42Angel_of_Deathshut up
04:28:43Angel_of_Deathi meant that lol
04:28:52Angel_of_Deathwell my friend has a 5g
04:28:54Paul_The_NerdWell clearly I can only read what you type.
04:28:55Angel_of_Deathand he has IL on it
04:29:02Paul_The_NerdMy mind reading powers are not yet THAT well developed
04:29:07sayoceandoes he have ipod linux?
04:29:10Angel_of_Deathbetter go meditate
04:29:17Angel_of_DeathIL is ipodlinux
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04:29:24sayoceanoh ok
04:29:35sayoceancause the recording capability is awesome
04:29:43Angel_of_Deathi dont know how often i would use it
04:30:10sayoceanthat is pretty crazy how ur headphone can also record sound lol
04:30:12Paul_The_NerdIf you wanted recording why didn't you just buy a DAP that supported recording?
04:30:51sayoceanive had
04:30:53sayoceanthe zen micro
04:30:58sayoceanand philips hdd 120
04:31:01sayoceanthey both had recording
04:31:08Angel_of_Deathmic and speaker are very very similar in there dynamics
04:31:14sayoceanbut besides that feature, they dont care to the ipod
04:31:43Angel_of_DeathiPod is an amazing device as far as ive seen, the only hinders it has it was apple has done it it
04:31:51Angel_of_Deathto it*
04:32:07Paul_The_NerdYeah but there are plenty of DAPs that are better than the iPod, and have recording as well.
04:32:14Angel_of_Deaththere are
04:32:20sayoceanand paul
04:32:22Angel_of_Deathbut i didnt get one because i wanted to be trendy :P
04:32:28sayoceani think im gonna hit up IPL on my 5G tonite heh
04:32:28Angel_of_Deathlol thats what my brother tells me anyways
04:32:32sayoceansame here man
04:32:37sayoceanall about the aesthetics
04:32:40Angel_of_Deathand i like the nevigation lol
04:32:45sayoceanNO dap beats the ipod in the way it looks
04:32:47*Mikachu points and laughs
04:32:51Angel_of_Deathmy friend has a dell DJ
04:33:02Angel_of_Deathand i liked that u could rename stuff and all that junk
04:33:03*Paul_The_Nerd personally likes the way his H120 looks more than the way his iPod looks.
04:33:08Angel_of_Deathbut i still liked my iPod better
04:33:23Angel_of_Deathnow my iPod can do all of that and the only thing that bothers me is this screen made of i dont know nothing?
04:33:27*Paul_The_Nerd would also never pick form over function.
04:33:31Angel_of_Deathi mean cmon air scracthes it
04:33:35*|Josh| would
04:34:04|Josh|I love how the iPod looks. :P The iRiver was tempting, but in the end I just thought it looked too ugly -.-
04:34:10Angel_of_Deathcause its a shame to cover the sleek design of the iPod up with a big ugly case
04:34:26|Josh|Yeah, thats why I have a BSE
04:34:39|Josh|semi-invisible.. and protects from scratches decently well
04:34:41Angel_of_Deathwell i had a 4g iPod and had no problems with the screen
04:34:42|Josh|no bulk.
04:34:46Galoiswell I think ipod video is a clear case of form over function, but ipod nano is quite different
04:34:50Paul_The_NerdThe only time it would matter how your DAP looks is if you're actually *trying* to show it off, and then it's just vanity
04:35:01Angel_of_Deathi used to keep it in my backpack with paper clips and pens and it had very few scracthes
04:35:09Angel_of_Deathmy 5g, i treat it like a baby and it has plenty
04:35:16Galoisthere are no other 4GB flash players on the market at that price
04:35:26sayoceanhas anyone in here ever installed IPL on their 5G ipods ??
04:35:34Lamboi have
04:35:40sayoceanhow did it go?
04:35:41Angel_of_Deathhow did it work
04:35:50sayoceando u still have it ?
04:35:54Lamboeasy using that windows 5g tut
04:36:10Angel_of_Deathi have a virtual machine of linux ooh!
04:36:21|Josh|I didn't buy my iPod to show it off.. I just like my stuff to look good
04:36:23LamboI have an ubuntu live CD and a linux server <_<
04:36:26|Josh|also, I liked the clickwheel interface
04:36:39sayoceanah fuck it, i'll just wait for rockbox to (hopefully) have it
04:36:41Angel_of_Deathbrother has ubuntu cd's and linux server also
04:36:47Angel_of_Deathlol roc_mm is his handle on here
04:37:13Paul_The_NerdWhat's the point in valuing looks over features if you're the only person looking at it?
04:37:16Angel_of_Deathjosh i didnt buy my iPod to show it off
04:37:22Angel_of_Deathbut i knew if i bought anything else
04:37:33sayoceanand plus i like the ipod's battery life
04:37:34Angel_of_Deathi would always look at the iPod and wish mine lookedl ike it :P
04:37:38Angel_of_Deathi just love the design
04:37:55Angel_of_Deathmine lasts me thru the school day and thats it
04:38:08sayoceanthe FUGLIEST dap in the world = Archos
04:38:23sayoceanno doubt about it
04:38:28Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, because its nice to look at :P
04:38:56Angel_of_Deathsayocean, u play css?
04:39:04Angel_of_Deathguess not
04:39:06sayoceani play MOHAA
04:39:07Angel_of_Deathcounter-strike source
04:39:23sayoceanand a little bit of poker online
04:39:24Angel_of_Deathi think im gonna put IPL on my ipod now
04:39:32sayoceanangel, u have 5G right?
04:39:34Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: I guess I just don't get why you buy an audio player to look at.
04:39:43sayoceanhow are you gonna go about doing that?
04:39:47Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, me either,
04:39:47sayoceantheres an installer out there correct?
04:39:53Angel_of_Deathsayocean, yes
04:40:08Angel_of_Deathwant me to grab u a link?
04:40:12sayoceanthis one?
04:40:20Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: But you just admitted you did.
04:40:22Angel_of_Deathno, im gettin from offical site
04:40:26Galoisfor some product categories looks are clearly important. I mean, if you're in the market for an LCD monitor, the whole point of a monitor is to look at it.
04:40:38Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, i know i did.... i dont know why i just do lol
04:40:44GaloisI don't think music players are quite to that extreme, but I can see some point to it
04:40:48Paul_The_NerdGalois: Well, in the case of an LCD, that qualifies as "functionality"
04:40:49sayoceanangel, can u link me?
04:40:56*Lambo would be happy if the apple firmware allowed you to change the background color
04:41:38webguest96does that installer linked up there work for 5g?
04:41:39|Josh|My points for buying an iPod over the other stuff: Video playback, huge screen size, clickwheel, price per GB, and looks. I would settle for a Toshiba or something else if it actually had the same functions I could get with the iPod.
04:41:40Lambobecause it doesn't.. hello rockbox & ipl
04:41:43|Josh|I don't really need recording.
04:41:53|Josh|And with Rockbox.. audio playback is perfect :)
04:42:09Angel_of_Deathtoshibas run forever!!
04:42:22Angel_of_Deathlol i just trashed mine about 2 months back
04:42:23sayoceanwtf do i do now ? lol
04:42:26Angel_of_Deathi had it since 92
04:42:28Lamboi wish laptops or pda used the HD the iPod has
04:42:29Angel_of_Deathgo there
04:42:34Angel_of_Deathscroll down to 5g
04:43:21Angel_of_Deathdude, i video tutorial
04:43:26|Josh|is there any way of installing iPL without having to use CVS or anything else internet-related in Linux?
04:43:30Paul_The_NerdLambo: Why? A 2.5" drive is fine for a laptop...
04:43:50Lamboi meant.. for a pda
04:43:51|Josh|My dialup modem doesn't work in linux, so I have to have all the files I need already downloaded in Windows then copy them over..
04:43:58webguest96does that installer linked up there work for 5g?
04:44:01lostlogicw00t, I found one of the bugs in back skipping!
04:44:08Lambo <−− a good tut if you need it...
04:44:14Paul_The_NerdLambo: 30 or 60 gigs in a PDA seems overkill... At that point it's hardly a PDA any more.
04:44:28Angel_of_Deathyeah really
04:44:38GaloisI'm hoping in a few years that 60 gigs flash will be economical
04:44:39Angel_of_Deathwhat the hell do u want to have on ur PDA..... dirty man
04:44:39sayoceandamn angel lol
04:44:43sayoceanthat tutorial is LONG
04:44:50sayoceanseems like it would take a good long time
04:44:55*Lambo pokes oqo and hides
04:45:03Angel_of_Deathsssh!! ppl
04:45:11Angel_of_Deathim hearing more system beeps than beets in this techno
04:45:40|Josh|There has to be some way of installing IPL from Windows without rebooting into linux.. :/
04:45:41webguest96um... awesome?
04:45:44Angel_of_DeathUsing this tutorial will ERASE ALL OF YOUR MUSIC! Be sure your music is backed up! I am not responsible for any loss of data as well. I once reformatted my iPod with an English paper on it, making me lose an entire night rewriting it. LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE!
04:45:48Lambomy ipod beeps like a raving lunatic!
04:45:50Angel_of_Deathmake sure u read that say
04:45:55LamboAngel_of_Death, it actually.. didn't
04:45:59Lambowhen I used it
04:46:10Angel_of_Deathwell i backed up yesterday
04:46:25Lamboit also helps that I am not using all the space on my ipod
04:46:29sayoceanok im not doing it lol
04:46:31Paul_The_Nerd|Josh|: There doesn't have to be.
04:46:36sayoceani have 700 mb left on my hard drive
04:46:44sayoceanand my ipod is carrying 53 gigs
04:46:50Angel_of_Deathi have 4.3gb and on my second drive only 10
04:46:51sayoceanno way in hell im going to be able to back that ass up
04:46:57Lamboi'm using about 12gb on my 30gb
04:46:57|Josh|I mean.. all you need linux for is partitioning, correct?
04:47:10Lamboand installing userland...
04:47:13sayoceanplus i dont even have linux :\
04:47:16Angel_of_Deathim using alittle over half of my 30gb
04:47:23Angel_of_Deathrun a virtual machine of linux
04:47:31Paul_The_Nerd|Josh|: Repartition, and format the new one as ext2, for which there aren't really good tools in windows, and the few tools I've found don't see iPods properly (at least my Nano)
04:47:48Lamboyou alos need linux to see the ext2 filesystem.. inorder to install linux
04:48:13Angel_of_Deathwhatever i will have my brother install IPL
04:48:17|Josh|welll.. there is at least one software that lets you see ext2 filesystems in Windows (and write to them)
04:48:38Lamboi have a driver for that.. but my computer detects my ipod as a removable device
04:48:43Paul_The_Nerd|Josh|: Have you tried it? Does it actually *work* for you?
04:48:48Lamboand the driver only works for partitions on hardrives
04:48:58|Josh|it worked for my ubuntu partition, yeah
04:49:10|Josh|I don't have an ext2 partition on my ipod.. so haven't tried that yet
04:49:17Paul_The_Nerd|Josh|: I meant for your iPod. Notice that I *said* there were programs, that don't work well with iPods
04:49:40Angel_of_Deathwas it u who i was talking to about doom
04:49:54Paul_The_NerdWhat about doom?
04:50:07Angel_of_Deaththat i wasnt using the right base files
04:50:19Paul_The_NerdI didn't say you weren't. I asked if you were.
04:50:31Angel_of_Deathyeah i said i didnt have them
04:50:36Angel_of_Deathjust the doom base
04:50:44Angel_of_Deathwhere would i get them, have u seen any?
04:50:51|Josh|Paul_The_Nerd: Do you think I could install iPL using my rockbox vmware enviroment?
04:51:04Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: You go to a store and pay $10 for the doom collection CD
04:51:06|Josh|Vmware does a nice job at bringing my internet connection over to linux..
04:51:20Angel_of_Deathyes same here
04:51:21Paul_The_Nerd|Josh|: Hell, give it a shot. It might work.
04:51:21Lamboor get freedom...
04:51:32Angel_of_Deathi was at there site earlier today
04:51:44Angel_of_Deathi dont remeber why i didnt
04:51:51Paul_The_NerdIf you name freedoom.wad Doom2.wad it'll work as the doom2 base wad.
04:52:10Angel_of_Deathim so confused
04:52:10Lambowhen i downloaded freedom.. it came as doom2.wad
04:52:17Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, if i bought the cd's how would that help?
04:52:21webguest96as did mine
04:52:38Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Because then you'd have the retail .wads?
04:53:05Angel_of_Deathoh i expected the files on the cd's to be in a diff format
04:53:29|Josh|Alright.. I'm going to give it a shot with vmware..
04:53:40|Josh|and if that doesn't work, I might as well try to download all the stuff and do it from ubuntu
04:53:55Lambothe ubuntu livecd is good
04:53:57Angel_of_Deathjosh_, i would think that would work
04:54:06sayoceandoom on ipod is cool
04:54:07Angel_of_Deathsayocean, yeah?
04:54:11sayoceanbut the controls are awkward
04:54:14Angel_of_Deathbrings the old back to life
04:54:14Lamboit is >_>
04:54:15sayoceanhard to run and shoot
04:54:27Angel_of_Deaththeres no strafe'ing
04:54:30sayoceanand also
04:54:33Angel_of_Deathand no back
04:54:36Lamboand no back..
04:54:37Angel_of_Deathbut besides that its fine
04:54:41josh_Angel_of_Death: huh?
04:54:44sayoceanwhat i hate about it is when you stop for 2 seconds, the backlight goes off :\
04:54:52Angel_of_Deathjosh_, wrong josh josh, sorry
04:55:04Angel_of_Deathsayocean, put the backlight timer on longer
04:55:08Angel_of_Deathsayocean, i have mine on 4
04:55:13Angel_of_Deathsayocean, or 5
04:55:23sayoceanyeh i figured thats on the only way around it
04:55:24Lambosayocean, change the settings in rockbox.. or just run it from the usb cable.. with it set that backlight is always when connected >_>
04:55:38sayoceangood solutions
04:55:38Lambobut that defeats the purpuse
04:55:44|Josh|Man.. every place I go there seems to be at least two other joshes
04:55:45sayoceanhaha yeh
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04:56:05|Josh|Last two forums I've signed up at.. always been a josh
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04:56:29Angel_of_Deathso who used freedoom?
04:56:40|Josh|one time, the admin was 'Josh', I signed up as 'Josh.'.. it had everyone confused. I eventually got him to change my username. :P
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04:56:47sayoceanangel, i too LOVE how the ipod GUI looks
04:56:56sayoceanonly if it had features rockbox did
04:57:04Angel_of_Deathwell i fixed that :P
04:57:11Lamboipod firmware needs themes!
04:57:11sayoceanhow so?
04:57:17Angel_of_Deathlol jk
04:57:32Angel_of_Deathi said i loved the way the Ipod looked.
04:57:39|Josh|Lambo: iPodwizard?
04:57:53Angel_of_DeathWHO HAS USED FREEDOOM!?
04:57:54afruff23Does this WPS tag work for the X5?
04:57:55afruff23 %mh "h" if the main unit hold switch is on
04:58:09Lambothat doesn't allow you to change the background color of the apple firmware.. does it?
04:58:10|Josh|it lets you have themes for the apple firmware..
04:58:18|Josh|just the images
04:58:25Lambothen it isn't good for me
04:58:28Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Sheesh, don't shout.
04:58:42|Josh|that was one thing that I really missed too
04:58:48Angel_of_Deathi have the download lol
04:58:57afruff23does the hold swtich for the X5 work as a hold switch?
04:58:59Lamboi have used freedom
04:59:02Angel_of_Deathim just confused, can i use it with the doom that comes on rockbox?
04:59:09*Paul_The_Nerd sighs
04:59:15Paul_The_NerdThe doom that comes on Rockbox is the executable
04:59:18Paul_The_NerdFreedoom is the resource file
04:59:19*Lambo needs to get that right
04:59:31Paul_The_NerdFreedoom will work as a resource for any doom executable that can play Doom 2
04:59:49Lambolike the half-life pwad
05:00:30Lamboand in order for doom1.wad etc to work.. you need rockdoom.wad
05:00:50Angel_of_Deathso doom2.wad will work with rockdoom also?
05:01:05Angel_of_Deathhow do i change between the 2?
05:01:11Angel_of_Deathsorry for being so ignorant :P
05:01:11afruff23 %mh "h" if the main unit hold switch is on
05:01:18afruff23will that work for the X5?
05:01:35Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Have you even tried doom yet? There's a nice little menu that lets you pick which base game to use...
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05:01:41sayoceanCLIFF HANGER!!!!!
05:01:54Angel_of_Deathyes i have paul
05:02:08sayoceanthe BEST movie
05:02:11Paul_The_NerdThen I would expect you have noticed the menu...
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05:02:20sayoceanoops, nevermind
05:02:26sayoceanits ace ventura
05:02:28Angel_of_Deathit was a few hours ago
05:02:31Angel_of_Deathand i didnt make a note of it
05:02:48|Josh|Bootloader installed..
05:02:55sayoceanIPL ?
05:02:57sayoceanor rockbox ?
05:03:08Lamboi'm going to assume ipl
05:03:24|Josh|now off to try vmware
05:03:27afruff23does aybody knwo if the hold switch icon in the WPS will work for the iAudio X5?
05:03:53Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: What's stopping you from just *trying* it?
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05:04:11afruff23not with me now
05:04:18LamboI have doom on my ipod because i can !
05:04:34Angel_of_Deathwhy else?
05:04:45Angel_of_Deathi would never play doom on my pc
05:04:48Angel_of_Deathbut i would on my iPod
05:04:54Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Again, why not just wait and try it?
05:05:06Paul_The_NerdWhy would you never play it on your PC?
05:05:08afruff23because I'm designing something for it now
05:05:35Angel_of_Deathbecause i beat it when it came out, and if i wana play an fps ill play a HL mod.
05:05:47Angel_of_Deathbut on the ipod, thats crazy, so im more intrested
05:06:05Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: And it's so important that you'll repeat your question rather than just having the patience to try it out yourself?
05:06:47webguest96is the hold switch not working in doom a common problem, or just me?
05:07:05Angel_of_Deathhold switch as a menu button works fine for me with my 5g
05:07:20Lambosame here
05:07:22webguest96just me then....
05:07:52Lamboone thing I enjoy about rockbox.. it has a search function for music
05:08:04Angel_of_Deathu just like one thing? :P
05:08:11Lambomany more
05:08:14Lambolike doom
05:08:33Lamboand all the nice advanced features that the apple firmware does not offer, like said search function
05:08:47Angel_of_Deathim just messing
05:09:04webguest96any recomendations to fix my hold switch problem?
05:09:14Lamboand the fact that i have linux on my ipod and it is very easy to run rockbox with the ipod boot loader
05:09:15webguest96becuase i would enjoy being able to save my doom games...
05:09:33Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: You are running a fairly recent build, right?
05:09:56Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, dude u rock
05:10:22webguest96from like 4 days ago
05:10:33Paul_The_Nerdwebguest96: Try a newer one
05:10:41webguest96will do
05:10:45Lambotry today's current build
05:12:02|Josh|vmware is playing odd with my iPod..
05:12:14Lambotis funny, no one at my school comprehends what I did to my iPod
05:12:20Angel_of_Deathi know
05:12:33Angel_of_Deathcant wait to show doom off :P
05:13:05|Josh|linux = frozenish
05:13:21Lamboi say there should be an addon for the iPod that let's you use it as one of those handheld portable tvs
05:15:14lostlogicTV tuner that encodes and pushes the stream to a buffer which can be read via a USB host interface on the ipod adn decoded by the BCM chip... ouch.
05:15:37Angel_of_Deathexactly what i was thinking while reading that
05:15:38LamboI'm not asking for too much.. am I? <_<
05:16:18lostlogicwell the total insanity seems to have been defeated, but the damn thing still ends up showing not what it's playing in some back skipping situations.
05:16:39|Josh|I'm sort of confused on how to modify the path they gave for the iPod to the one that I'm getting..
05:16:49Lambowhat part?
05:17:33afruff23anybody have a rockbox'd X5
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05:18:00|Josh|2.5 in that tutorial
05:18:02Angel_of_Deathwhat is a x5?
05:18:15|Josh|a player. By iAudio.
05:18:25Angel_of_Deathnever heard is your friend
05:18:46|Josh|thats the output..
05:18:47afruff23take advantage of her
05:19:08***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:19:10Lambomy ipod was /dev/sda :/
05:19:27Angel_of_Deathcan any1 name some .WADs that they know work without missing files and such, that are playable. with rockdoom
05:19:30|Josh|so would 2.5 be /sbin/fdisk /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 ?
05:19:44Angel_of_Deathlike ones u have maybe?
05:19:56Lambo|Josh|, I have no clue :/
05:20:01Lambowhat linux distro is that?
05:20:04|Josh|angel_of_death: check the forums. Its been discussed countless times.
05:20:11|Josh|Uh.. some debian variant
05:20:23|Josh|its the one provided by rockbox for vmware
05:21:03carini|Josh|: I haven't looked at the tutorial, but it looks from the output like your ipod is /dev/sdb.
05:21:10webguest96anyone recomend a good IRC client im using the lame web thing
05:21:19afruff23iceChat 5
05:21:24cariniWhat does /sbin/fdisk -p /dev/sdb say?
05:21:41cariniChatZilla's not bad
05:21:48cariniCheaper than mIRC
05:21:55LambomIRC is nagware
05:21:56afruff23iceChat 5 is free
05:22:00afruff23no ads
05:22:03Lamboyou don't have to buy it.. it will just nag you
05:22:08*Paul_The_Nerd uses GAIM, and it works well enough.
05:22:14LamboGaim is good
05:22:21Angel_of_Deathi use GAIM also
05:22:34webguest96i wasnt aware gaim had an irc thing
05:22:42webguest96i had it a bit ago
05:22:51webguest96i suppose ill get it again
05:23:10webguest96since it was recommended by paul, the almighty
05:23:56Paul_The_NerdWell, GAIM is far from the best IRC client
05:24:11Angel_of_Deathi only use gaim for AIM and MSN and such
05:24:13Angel_of_Deathnot for IRC
05:24:14Paul_The_NerdI used it because I like to have all my realtime text-based communication consolidated in one program
05:24:19Angel_of_Deathuse Xchat for that
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05:24:57webguest96i use aim msn and yahoo so yeah.... all in one would be good
05:25:05webguest96ive been using trillian but i dont like it so much
05:25:13Angel_of_Deathgaim is good
05:25:19Angel_of_Death1 buddy list all the programs
05:25:22Angel_of_Deathi love it
05:25:24|Josh|silverx's xchat 2
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05:28:23|Josh|carini: UNable to open /dev/sbd
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05:29:18Angel_of_Death|Josh|, find me a link for those *countless* times please, or help me look
05:29:24|Josh|d'oh.. its db, not bd
05:29:31Angel_of_Deathlooking, havent found one yet
05:29:44|Josh|Its in the sticky.
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05:30:17Angel_of_Deathoh i heard something about goldeneye working on iPod with rockdoom or something
05:30:23Angel_of_Deathany1 heard anything like that
05:30:33Paul_The_NerdIt's just a doom mod made to look like goldeneye
05:30:47afruff23you could make your own WAD based on goldeneye
05:30:51afruff23beat em to it
05:30:52|Josh|Grr.. sdb doesn't work either
05:31:07Lambo|Josh|, try just typing mount
05:31:15Lamboit'l show all drives mounted
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05:31:29|Josh|I was actually just going to ask what the command was :)
05:31:38afruff23does anybody know if doom works for the nano
05:31:46|Josh|I'm still not very good at the shell.. I like GNOME :P
05:31:47afruff23the latest CVS build
05:32:05Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: It should.
05:32:14Angel_of_Deathnot like u will want to
05:32:19Angel_of_Deathwont be able to see anything :P
05:32:53|Josh|on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs
05:33:12Lambonothing mounted with the name ipod?
05:33:16Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: You can see plent on the Nano's screen.
05:33:23Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, what are the demos for?
05:33:25|Josh|I wonder if its because of vmware
05:33:25Lambowell :/
05:33:30Lambomight be
05:33:51Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: I don't understand the question... they're demos.
05:34:08Angel_of_Deathdemos of what
05:34:28Paul_The_NerdThey're demo in the traditional sense of "demonstration"
05:34:35Angel_of_Deathi know what a demo is
05:34:49|Josh|well, I cd'd to /proc/bus/usb and a dir doesn't give any of the iPod files..
05:34:50Angel_of_Deathim just saying whats the point of them, if u already have the gfame
05:34:55carini|Josh|: You may need to mount it yourself.
05:34:58Lambothe halflife wad crashed
05:35:02carinimkdir /mnt/tmp
05:35:09carinimount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp
05:35:10Angel_of_Deathhalflife wad?
05:35:18Lambohalf-life addon
05:35:20Angel_of_Deathsend it plz!
05:35:37carini|Josh|: What exactly are you trying to do? View your iPod files?
05:35:37|Josh|darn.. permission denied. gonna have to su it..
05:35:42Angel_of_Deathdidnt mean that "?" in there btw
05:35:44Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Well, you can download recorded ones showing how to beat levels in incredibly short periods of time and stuff like that. As well, nearly ALL games show a demo if you leave them on the title screen long enough.
05:35:49|Josh|trying to find it :P I want to install iPL
05:36:06|Josh|and I need to use fdisk to get the ext2 partition for it
05:36:07cariniWhat does /sbin/fdisk -p /dev/sdb say?
05:36:24|Josh|cannot find /dev/sdb.. or something like that
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05:36:47cariniOkay, then mount won't work, either
05:36:56LamboAngel_of_Death: some free wads
05:37:01cariniWere you root?
05:37:15|Josh|I am now.
05:37:18Angel_of_Deathoh with IPL
05:37:28Angel_of_Deathdoes that matter?
05:37:29LamboAngel_of_Death, they work with rockdoom too
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05:37:31Lambosome of them
05:37:35Angel_of_Deathyeah what am i saying
05:37:38Angel_of_Deathof course it would
05:38:00|Josh|its working now in root
05:38:05|Josh|I can't beleive I didn't think of that
05:38:08Lamboit is funny how long it take for the default firmware to boot
05:38:09|Josh|thanks carini
05:38:26LamboGood night folks
05:41:28|Josh|awesome.. its working.
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05:43:13Angel_of_Deathtechnology has come so far in 10 years
05:43:44Paul_The_Nerd10 years?
05:44:37|Josh|Darn.. now I'm stuck. The vmware image doesn't come with mkdosfs
05:44:48|Josh|is there some easy way of installing that?
05:44:56Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, yes 10 years
05:45:18Paul_The_NerdSince what?
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05:45:40carinisearch for mkdosfs
05:45:50Angel_of_Deathwhen did doom first come out
05:46:09cariniSays it comes in the "dosfstools" package.
05:46:18cariniAs root, to "apt-get dosfstools"
05:46:26Paul_The_NerdSorry, '93
05:47:00Paul_The_NerdWell again, I can't read your mind, so if you say 10 years I have to assume you actually *mean* something that happened 10 years ago
05:47:12|Josh|E: Invalid operation dosfstools
05:47:14Angel_of_Deathi just mean generally
05:47:16Angel_of_Death10 is a good number
05:47:24Paul_The_Nerd's closer to 15 than 10
05:47:34cariniSorry, "apt-get install dosfstools"
05:47:35Angel_of_Deathwell i didnt feel like looking the date up
05:47:43Paul_The_NerdSo you just made something up?
05:48:03|Josh|73.5% of statistics are made up on the spot
05:48:12Angel_of_Deathtechnology has come along way in 10 years
05:48:19Angel_of_Deathi wasnt saying an event
05:48:23Angel_of_Deathi was just stating that
05:49:13Paul_The_NerdWell in that case, technology has also come a long ways in 100 years
05:49:23afruff23anybody got a X% with rockbox?
05:49:28Angel_of_Deathbut i think the curve from the last 10 is higher
05:49:58|Josh|Temporary failure resolving
05:50:31|Josh|is there a mirror I can change it too?
05:51:05Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Exactly two people have entered the room since you last asked that.
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05:51:30carini|Josh|: Where are you located?
05:51:57|Josh| is loading fine..
05:52:24|Josh| is loading fine in firefox too
05:52:28|Josh|lets try this again..
05:52:39afruff23Hey I'm in MD
05:52:48lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: get ready for breakage!
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05:52:52cariniYou may need to configure vmware to use a bridged connection?
05:53:09Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: WOO!
05:53:14cariniCan you ping from inside vmware?
05:53:32|Josh|Nope. That'd do it..
05:53:42|Josh|last time I booted up vmware the connection bridged fine though..
05:53:53|Josh|it did fail booting up this time. I forgot about that..
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05:54:35afruff23is there a way to search through recent CVS changes?
05:54:41afruff23within the last month
05:55:04Angel_of_Deaththeres a way to pick diff builds?
05:55:15Angel_of_Deathnot sure if they log the changes
05:56:08afruff23that page is taking so long to load
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05:56:18lostlogicnew track skipping committed, hold onto your butts. :)
05:56:42Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: "minor fix"?
05:56:53lostlogicthat was just a prelude commit
05:56:55Paul_The_NerdOr is there another one in line?
05:57:20lostlogicI realized I'd had it sitting around for a while cuz I'd noticed the bug in auditting the playback related code for a bug.
05:57:21Angel_of_Deathwhose butts am i holding?
05:57:25lostlogicyour gf's
05:57:36Angel_of_Deaththanks bud, im single
05:57:38afruff23what's dumprep.exe?
05:57:47afruff23it comes up everytime a program freezes
05:57:51|Josh|something that shows up after your system crashes..
05:57:59|Josh|it reports the error to MS, if you tell it too.
05:57:59Angel_of_Deathnow its just a guess
05:58:07Angel_of_Deathbut thats probably a problem.
05:58:18afruff23everytime I end it, the crash goes away
05:58:38afruff23I tried opening the link from Josh in firefox
05:58:40Angel_of_Deathi love rockBOX and i cannot lie
05:58:44afruff23and it froze since it was so long
05:58:56|Josh|carini: could I do mkdosfs -F 32 with some program in Windows?
05:59:04lostlogicAngel_of_Death: sorry, I'm single too, but in this sausage fest, I wasn't about to tell you to grab your neighbor's ass :)
05:59:07|Josh|The rest of the partition changes I could do fine from vmware..
05:59:30carini|Josh|: How big is your disk?
05:59:31Paul_The_NerdI'm single as well, but not really
05:59:44|Josh|which, the iPod disk, or HD?
05:59:56afruff23GOD< friefox reads long pages bad
06:00:03cariniThe partition
06:00:05afruff23it is howing me soem raw html code
06:00:07Angel_of_Deathfirefox owns
06:00:13afruff23no ti doesn't
06:00:28afruff23IE never gave these problems
06:00:31Angel_of_Deathhave u seen the get firefox page?
06:00:33carini|Josh|: Sorry. The partition on the iPod.
06:00:47Angel_of_Deathhave u guys seen the get internet explorer page?
06:00:51afruff23IE is faster than firefox
06:00:54Angel_of_Deathlol its making fun of itself
06:00:56Angel_of_Deathlol no its not
06:00:56|Josh|should be just under 30GB, I think...
06:01:02afruff23the only reason I use firefox is security and tabbed broswing
06:01:24afruff23yes, IE is faster
06:01:32carinimkdosfs -F 32 just makes a FAT32 filesystem. You should be able to do that with format in Windows, I think.
06:01:34afruff23start IE and firefox at the same time
06:01:39afruff23see what coems up faster
06:01:47|Josh|Opera is fastest, and has tabbed browsing, and is pretty secure
06:01:50Angel_of_Deathwell firefox would take longer for obvious reasons
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06:01:53|Josh|but for some reason I don't really like it..
06:01:54Angel_of_Deathso get the firefox preoloader
06:02:21Angel_of_Deathwith the firefox preloader it opens within a sec or so
06:02:22Paul_The_NerdYeah, IE is somewhat integrated with the OS, so it has an unnatural advantage there, but "faster" isn't really about which opens first, but which tends to render the quickes.
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06:02:37|Josh|Firefox renders slow here too :P
06:02:43|Josh|I don't know why I haven't switched to Opera yet..
06:02:45gursikhactually i think opera loads just as fast or faster than IE most times
06:02:48Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: You broke the build table!
06:03:04Paul_The_NerdA SINGLE point.
06:03:12afruff23firefox keeps freezing on the commits since 2.5 page
06:03:13|Josh|It was so pretty with all those greens..
06:03:17afruff23I'm usign IE
06:04:05Angel_of_Deathuser error
06:04:06lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: pfft, it's not even a real warning, betcha it goes away despite no changes on the next one.
06:04:19|Josh|I'll be right back..
06:04:24lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: that's the problem with the distributed builds, different compiler verionsd give some weird warnings.
06:04:32Angel_of_Deathafruff if to u its about which open faster
06:04:34lostlogicwhere's my follow-up build!/
06:04:38Angel_of_Deathdownload the firefox preloader
06:04:47Angel_of_Deaththat was made by microsoft
06:04:59Angel_of_Deathits suposed to make fun of firefox cause it looks just like the get firefox site
06:05:06Angel_of_DeathTabbed Browsing
06:05:07Angel_of_DeathScrew that. It will only confuse basic users, so instead of making it an option, we just didn't implement it at all. Oh wait... there goes our browser market share. Our next release will have tabs.
06:05:12afruff23does the commits since 2.5 page show up incorrectly for others?
06:05:24Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Shows up fine for me. In firefox.
06:05:48Angel_of_Deathlike i said ruff, must be a user error :P
06:06:05afruff23hwo could I make an error opening a link?
06:06:09Paul_The_Nerd"We discovered the web"?
06:06:18afruff23it shows the html instead fo formatting it
06:06:22afruff23IE does it too
06:06:28Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: You could've improperly installed firefox, or have some extension or other software that causes it to function improperly.
06:06:42Angel_of_DeathFits Like a Glove
06:06:44Angel_of_DeathWe know exactly how big your hand is. Well we at least have a pretty good idea. I mean, come on. We do contol your entire operating system already.
06:06:59Angel_of_Deathahh this one if my favorite, S, M, L or XL—It's Your Choice
06:06:59Angel_of_DeathAs long as your choice is Microsoft's choice.
06:07:05afruff23no, firefox and IE both laod it incorrectly
06:07:06Angel_of_Deathoh right sorry about all that flamming
06:07:23Angel_of_Deaththen its ur pc's prob
06:07:42Angel_of_Deathwould u looky there all this chattin and i forgot about all those wad files !!!
06:07:44Angel_of_Deathback to them
06:08:37afruff23in the commtis since 2.5 page it says
06:08:37afruff23iAudio X5: hold button functions (not yet complete)
06:08:48afruff23so does this mean hold functions as hold
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06:10:06Angel_of_Deathdo i put those games in the games/doom folder
06:10:08Angel_of_Deathor in addons
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06:10:35Paul_The_Nerdthe /games/doom folder is only for base wads
06:10:47afruff23I like the store link on the getIE page
06:10:48Angel_of_Deatharent those all base wads?
06:10:51afruff23ebay lol
06:11:16Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: A base wad is one of the the IWADs that came with a retail version of the game.
06:11:20speacial_edanyone know if the halflife .wad works on rockbox?
06:11:33Angel_of_Deathim about to try special ed
06:11:39Paul_The_NerdWord is that halflife doesn't
06:11:39afruff23halflife uses a differetn engine
06:11:45speacial_edi tried and couldnt get it
06:11:48afruff23heretic should work though
06:11:55afruff23since it uses the same engien with mods
06:12:01Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: The half-life wad is a mod on doom. It's not the actual halflife GAME
06:12:15afruff23so it should work
06:12:17Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Also, heretic has no reason to work, as it used a different build of the engine than Doom2 did.
06:12:45Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: That's like saying the real Half-Life game should work if run with Quake2
06:13:12Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, so doom64 on that link isnta base its an addon?
06:13:52Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: That one even SAYS it needs Doom2.wadc
06:14:22Angel_of_Deathhmm yes it does, eyes were reading what they wanted to read
06:14:34Angel_of_Deathi was thinking something else
06:15:30afruff23in themes, why do people add the statusbar disabled tag?
06:15:39afruff23almost all WPSes already have that tag shoul dnot be a build server, unless there is some particular reason those two builds were so slow.
06:15:45afruff23and the WPS is priority
06:16:07lostlogicoh, and bleeding edge builds wiht new track skipping are out for swcodec testing types.
06:17:50afruff23damn it my WPS is 1676 bytes
06:17:53afruff23what can I do?
06:18:02afruff23and it's not even done
06:18:05Paul_The_NerdMake it simpler?
06:18:13afruff23I know
06:18:16afruff23shorten filenames
06:18:30afruff23make the user clueless
06:18:37afruff23as to which image is what
06:19:22lostlogicYAY WIKISPAM!
06:19:39|Josh|hey.. at least I got the bootloader installed right
06:19:51|Josh|now if I could just get vmware's networking back online..
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06:21:01Angel_of_Deathdoom64, works
06:21:16afruff23here is my current WPS code without the image preloads
06:21:18DBUGEnqueued KICK afruff23
06:21:18afruff23%ca, b e, l:M Pc
06:21:19***Alert Mode level 1
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06:21:33afruff23that came out wrong
06:21:36Paul_The_NerdWhy are you copying the whole thing into the channel and spamming?
06:21:41afruff23%ca, b e, l:M Pc
06:21:52Galoisgod, make it stop
06:21:57afruff23hwo do I paste as one
06:22:17Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: You could always NOT paste your WPS here...
06:22:25Paul_The_NerdMaybe just post a .txt of it somewhere
06:22:37lostlogicuse it, love it.
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06:22:53lostlogicI should sleep, I was about to go crazy and start yelling things.
06:23:04|Josh|_Hmph.. stupid dialup.
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06:23:43Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Sleep. We need you sane in case your recent commit explodes some iPods
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06:24:54lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: haha! Kinda waiting till someone says "I'm running lostlogic's newest code and it {rules,sucks}!"
06:25:08|Josh|vmware is being a pain... stupid networking wont work :/
06:25:29Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Well, you could always rename all the codec-blah.bmps to cdc-blah.bmp or just blah.bmp
06:26:01carini|Josh|: What does "ethernet0.virtualDev" in your .vmx file say? You might try "e1000
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06:26:24afruff23I'm going to shorten all the filenames to jsut "x" or "xx"
06:26:41afruff23that should shave at least 100 bytes
06:26:46Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Well, I'm just about to build it, so we shall see.
06:26:55carini|Josh|: What does "ifconfig -a" say?
06:27:36bananafonlanguage support doesnt work on rockbox correct?
06:27:38bananafonsay for example Koeran
06:27:46lostlogicbananafon: why wouldn't it?!
06:27:53|Josh|ethernet0.virtualDev isn't set..
06:27:57bananafoni tried wed, it wasnt working
06:28:09Paul_The_Nerdbananafon: So long as the file is up to date, there's no reason you should have problems with it. If the file doesn't work, it's because it needs updating, I would assume.
06:28:15bananafonalso, when im updating to bleeding edge, do i just replace .rockbox folder and the rockbox file ?
06:28:19|Josh|ifconfig: command not found?
06:28:24cariniAs root?
06:28:27|Josh|bananafon: yes
06:28:28lostlogicbananafon: extract a new to your player
06:28:30|Josh|carini: yes
06:28:48cariniHmm.. that's not good, I think...
06:28:58bananafonanyone know if rockbox will come out for Philips Hdd120 players?
06:29:09|Josh|no, its not root. I forgot to su after I rebooted VMware
06:29:10|Josh|my mistake
06:29:27|Josh|there we go..
06:29:41cariniyou have eth0?
06:29:48|Josh|I do..
06:29:50Paul_The_Nerdbananafon: If someone ports it, it will. If nobody does, it won't.
06:29:54|Josh|want a screenshot?
06:30:48bananafonthanks paul
06:31:11Paul_The_NerdI know it's a bit of a pat answer, but really new ports happen when someone does them.
06:31:16bananafonso hot
06:31:20***Alert Mode OFF
06:31:37lostlogicon a scale of zero-to off topic, can we get an 11?
06:31:57lostlogicborn in my city nonetheless.
06:32:02bananafonid love to rock that box
06:32:31CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:32:31*Paul_The_Nerd sighs
06:32:50bananafonlol sorry
06:33:02carini|Josh|: No ip4 ip addr...
06:33:29cariniHow is your networking configured? NAT? Bridged?
06:33:45|Josh|Its all on deafult..
06:33:53Galoisbananafon: I have no trouble displaying korean text in rockbox
06:33:58|Josh|which worked a week ago when I was playing around with rockbox CVS
06:34:19bananafongalois, i just updated to bleeding edge
06:34:22bananafonso i'll see if it works
06:34:26bananafonim on 5G video
06:34:33lostlogicBAGH, buffer wrapping or refill or something causes audio glitch -> playback stop -> EVERYTHING HATES LOSTLOGIC
06:34:38Galoisbananafon: it's been working since january
06:34:45cariniWhat does /etc/network/interfaces say for iface eth0? dynamic?
06:34:56Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Awww... I don't hate you. But fix it. or else. -_-
06:35:14lostlogicI think I'll fix it tomorrow, at leaset I know what to expect.
06:35:23Paul_The_NerdSleep is helpful.
06:35:33Paul_The_NerdAnd I think most people know how to get an older daily finally
06:35:40|Josh|carini: how would I find that out? I've always used GUI text viewers/editors
06:35:55carini"cat /etc/network/interfaces"
06:35:55lostlogiclol, I still think this is better than the previous committed version, but I suppose some may disagree.
06:36:23Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Well, we've got three handy threads waiting to explode in the forums if they do disagree
06:36:25|Josh|iface eth0 inet dhcp
06:36:45Angel_of_Deathis heretic any good
06:36:48Angel_of_Deathbah nvm i have enough wads
06:37:03cariniIn /var/log, is there a dhcp.log file or something like that?
06:37:06Angel_of_Deathquake2, half life
06:37:11Angel_of_Deathduke nuken
06:37:13lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: feel free to update my wiki page if you see good bugs reported in the forums :)
06:37:32Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Will do.
06:37:40|Josh|auth.og, daemon.og
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06:38:13speacial_edi reinstalled and it works no (my hold switch for doom
06:38:30Angel_of_Deathspeacial_ed, u there?
06:38:34bananafonwhen i update to bleeding edge, do i need to tagcache again?
06:39:29bananafonbtw, korean , japanese doesnt work on ipod rockbox
06:39:29Angel_of_Deathi got half life working
06:39:37speacial_edon 5g?
06:39:38Galoisbananafon: they work
06:39:43bananafonyeh on 5g
06:39:44speacial_edtelll me
06:39:45|Josh|bananafon: it probably depends on the font you're using
06:39:48bananafonit doesnt display anything
06:39:57Angel_of_Deathwhat was ur problem?
06:39:57Galoisipod nano, taken last night
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06:40:09speacial_edi could get it to get to the new game screen and such
06:40:10Galoisrunning 20060406 daily build of rockbox
06:40:19speacial_edbut when i went to actaully start it i got some weird error
06:40:21Angel_of_Deathand then what happend
06:40:23bananafonwhat font should i be using?
06:40:58bananafonthere we go
06:41:06speacial_editd freeze at the error screen
06:41:17bananafonwhen i update to bleeding edge, do i need to tagcache again?
06:41:17speacial_edwhich was just the error text in black and a white background
06:41:19Angel_of_Deathwant me to send u my half life wad?
06:41:37speacial_edcould you send me the entire folder? to make sure i dont mess it up
06:42:00Angel_of_Deathi can send u the 2 files u need
06:42:03Angel_of_Deathand tell u were to put them
06:42:05speacial_edk thatll work
06:42:06speacial_edi guess
06:42:16Angel_of_Deathlemme hunt down the other one in my recycle bin
06:42:26|Josh|actually.. it looks like I might not need dosfstools anyway..
06:42:32|Josh|the fat32 partition is still intact
06:42:43Angel_of_Deathspeacial_ed, u have doom2?
06:42:57cariniYou should be able to make a fat32 filesystem with "format" from a DOS window.
06:43:20speacial_edthe actuall original bought one
06:43:23Angel_of_Deathdoom2 is in games/doom/ right
06:43:23speacial_ednot like freedoom
06:43:33|Josh|I've never used format before..
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06:43:35Angel_of_Deathwell we might need to get u freedoom
06:43:37|Josh|what syntax?
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06:43:48Angel_of_Deathu got a folder in doom/addons?
06:43:52Angel_of_Deathu have addons folder?
06:43:57speacial_edi had one
06:43:59speacial_edill make another
06:44:09carinitry "help format"
06:44:22carinibut it looks like "format F: /fs:fat32"
06:44:41cariniYou'll have to disconnect your iPod from vmware first, though, and get it mounted as a drive in Windows
06:44:43Angel_of_Deathcancel that
06:44:51|Josh|Yup, did that already
06:44:54|Josh|Ok.. thats working.
06:44:55speacial_edcancel what?
06:45:03Angel_of_Deathi just offered to send u something
06:45:18|Josh|Thanks carini. Now I just have to install ext2 IFS for windows and see if I can get the iPL files copied over
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06:45:49Angel_of_Deathk ed, accept that
06:45:58speacial_edim new to the whole irc thing so yeahhhh
06:46:03Angel_of_Deathme to
06:46:07speacial_edlike i was webguest 96 earlier
06:46:09|Josh|Wow thats slow. 2 percent completed.
06:46:10speacial_edwhen i didnt have a client
06:46:14speacial_edand i asked what one to get
06:46:22|Josh|what did you chose?
06:46:32bananafonthat takes skills to load the apple firmware on a reset
06:46:34speacial_edumm its at 0%
06:46:43Angel_of_Deathu need to accept
06:46:51speacial_edi did
06:46:58speacial_ederr wiat
06:47:01speacial_edit says
06:47:11speacial_edstatus: Jacob&Jessie
06:47:22speacial_edit says status accepting send
06:47:31Angel_of_Deathhold on
06:47:35Angel_of_Deathill just get u the link lol
06:47:43speacial_edi was about to say that
06:47:57speacial_edive got it still
06:47:59speacial_edfrom last time
06:48:09Angel_of_Deathbut that one didnt work
06:48:26Angel_of_Deathjust accept lol
06:48:32speacial_edi did man
06:48:35speacial_edi clicked accept
06:48:45carini|Josh|: Still interested in getting your networking working?
06:48:46Angel_of_Deathclick it again
06:48:51speacial_edjust did
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06:48:59|Josh|carini: Yeah
06:49:05speacial_edyou got a firewall up?
06:49:12|Josh|format is only at 6% :/
06:49:25Angel_of_Deathbut that wouldnt block me from sending
06:49:34speacial_edwouldnt know :/
06:49:39speacial_edme = largest newbie ever
06:49:40Angel_of_Deathill just get u the link lmfao
06:49:42cariniI just booted the Rockbox vmware (I had my own running). Try "/etc/init.d/network restart" as root.
06:49:48speacial_edwhatever happend to that plan last time?
06:49:53cariniCheck out what it says about DHCP
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06:50:34Angel_of_Deathhit the download button
06:50:38speacial_edsame place i got it last time
06:50:39Angel_of_Deathsave to desktop
06:50:43Angel_of_Deathoh really?
06:50:46|Josh|/etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory?
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06:50:51speacial_edi bet i just did it wrong
06:50:56speacial_edme in all of my retarded ness
06:50:59Angel_of_Deathi renamed it halflife and put it in addons
06:51:12speacial_edor just halflife
06:51:23cariniSorry. /etc/init.d/networking
06:51:29Angel_of_Death cause i thought DOOM2.WAD was confusing
06:51:32Angel_of_Deathsince it wasnt doom2
06:51:35speacial_edand that was it?
06:51:53|Josh|ok.. I'll need to take another screenshot
06:51:54Angel_of_Deaththen i opened doom on the iPod selected doom2.wad for my game, and addon halflife.wad
06:51:57Angel_of_Deathand it worked
06:52:00Angel_of_Deathi played for a few minutes
06:52:05speacial_edalright ill try it right now
06:53:15speacial_edif i were gay id kiss you
06:53:17speacial_edbut im not
06:53:19speacial_edso no kisses
06:53:37Angel_of_Deathguessin it worked?
06:53:58speacial_edi WAY overdid it last time
06:54:07speacial_edmade its own folder named halflife and such
06:54:09Angel_of_Deathwhat did u do?
06:54:13Angel_of_Deathno wonder.
06:54:26speacial_edi was going off the iDoom instructions though but i didnt realize that till to late
06:55:03speacial_edis there sound?
06:55:10speacial_edor do i not need to bother to find my headphones
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06:55:40Angel_of_Deathsome sound
06:55:43Angel_of_Deathits gay sound lol
06:56:00Angel_of_Deathi guess its better than nothing
06:56:17Angel_of_Deathi think im gonna edit it so when i kill someone it says something cool from QUAKE like DOMINATING!
06:56:24Angel_of_Deathor would that be to anoying lol?
06:56:41|Josh|I got that same error when I try to reboot the image
06:56:45Angel_of_Deathanyways when u first open doom from the plugins list, go to options>sound> and turn it off
06:56:48carini|Josh|: Okay, the problem is it couldn't get a DHCP lease.
06:56:51Angel_of_Deathoff is on and on is off
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06:57:09cariniIn windows, do you have a service named "VMWare DHCP Service" running?
06:58:00|Josh|That'd do it. *starts the service*
06:58:09speacial_edill play that later
06:58:12speacial_edmore wads
06:58:29|Josh|That did it :)
06:58:42|Josh|Thanks a ton.
06:58:45Angel_of_Deathi choose, duke nukem, doom64, quake2, half life. and they all worked
06:59:02|Josh|heh... format still at 20%
06:59:12|Josh|I guess it wouldn't be safe to cancel that, would it?
06:59:13cariniI doubt mkdosfs would be any faster...
06:59:32cariniSure, what do you have to lose?
06:59:36speacial_edand just put them all in the addons folder?
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06:59:48speacial_edwhich ones would you recommend
06:59:50cariniYou already lost the contents of the partition...
07:00:02|Josh|I didn't, actually..
07:00:05|Josh|its apparently still there
07:00:08Angel_of_Deathduke nukem is good, doom64 is good
07:00:13|Josh|I don't know how or why :P
07:00:14Angel_of_Deathquakes graphics look pretty decent
07:00:20cariniThe partition is there, but you nuked the filesystem with the "format".
07:00:23Angel_of_Deathhalf life i havent tried but i love the game
07:00:35cariniDidn't you?
07:00:36Angel_of_Deathu can get up to 10 on ur iPod at a time
07:00:38speacial_edit doesnt look much like the actaul game... at all..
07:00:47|Josh|it's all showing up in explorer..
07:00:51Angel_of_Deathwhat half life?
07:00:58Angel_of_Deathsure it does, just without the storyline
07:01:05|Josh|I don't know.. as soon as this darn ping finishes I'll double check the partition info
07:01:06speacial_edwell thats what i mean
07:01:11cariniThat's kinda scary. You sure you formatted the right drive?
07:01:11|Josh|can you abort the ping?
07:01:19|Josh|well.. windows didn't crash
07:01:31|Josh|much better :)
07:01:44|Josh|mounting iPod in vmware..
07:01:48Galois"You sure you formatted the right drive?" bad question to be asking at this stage
07:02:06Angel_of_Deathmy thoughts exactly
07:02:17Angel_of_Deathand windows actually not crashing
07:02:22Angel_of_Deaththat must be a first
07:02:27|Josh|windows partition is fine, and my linux partition I'm not worried about. So if I didn't, nothing too bad happened..
07:02:34Angel_of_Deathdo u mean not crashing.... *yet*
07:02:59|Josh|Yay.. dosfstools is installed :)
07:03:57speacial_edhas anyone here done the patcher for the rockboy controlls?
07:04:07Angel_of_Deathwhats that?
07:04:16|Josh|well.. p in fdisk is showing all three partitions as it should be..
07:04:26|Josh|so I don't know why the fat32 wasn't wiped
07:04:28speacial_edangel, me?
07:04:47speacial_edim so lost
07:05:01Angel_of_Death"rockboy controlls" what be those?
07:05:02cariniStupid question but... when you ran "format f: /fs:fat32", f: was your ipod, right?
07:05:12speacial_eddo you not know what rockboy is?
07:05:16speacial_edthe gameboy emu?
07:05:16|Josh|I ran format k:
07:05:20|Josh|K is my iPod
07:05:39speacial_edtheres a patch for the controls since the old one there isnt enough keys
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07:06:16|Josh|I know why I didn't format it..
07:06:30|Josh|thats what mkdosfs was supposed to do, and since I didn't have dosfstools I couldn't do that
07:06:54cariniI thought you were using format from DOS to do it...
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07:07:06|Josh|I was, but it was taking forever.
07:07:20|Josh|So I canceled that
07:07:23|Josh|mkdosfs is done.
07:07:38|Josh|lets see.. now I just have to get and extract the .tar.gz
07:07:49|Josh|is there a shell program for that?
07:08:02carinitar xvzf file.tar.gz
07:08:11cariniextracts to the current directory
07:08:21carinitar tvzf file.tar.gz lists the contents...
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07:10:50|Josh|wget'ing the file..
07:11:02speacial_edangel_of_death: do you know how to get the other episodes for doom1?
07:11:08speacial_edor does anyone for that matter?
07:11:27Angel_of_Deathwhat do u mean
07:11:30Angel_of_Deathother episodes
07:11:38speacial_edlike when you start it up
07:11:40speacial_edbefore you play
07:11:44Angel_of_Deathother addons?
07:11:45speacial_edit says choose episode
07:11:50speacial_edno try starting it
07:11:52Angel_of_Deathi hadnt noticed
07:11:56Angel_of_Deathhold on
07:12:00speacial_editll list 3 episodes
07:12:02Angel_of_Deathk where?
07:12:05speacial_edonly the 1st works
07:12:07speacial_edjust go to new game
07:12:09speacial_edyoull see
07:12:11speacial_edin doom1
07:12:12|Josh|20% (of a 1.5MB file. Darn dialup.)
07:12:51Angel_of_Deathgoogle it
07:13:08|Josh|how do you specify a directory to extract too with tar?
07:13:09speacial_edwell are they more .wads or what?
07:13:22speacial_edor do you not know?
07:13:25Angel_of_Death" i haven't the foggiest"
07:13:30carinitar xvzCf /dir/to/extract/to /file/to/extract/tar.gz
07:13:33speacial_edi think its cause its shareware
07:13:38speacial_edi need the orinal .wad
07:13:45Angel_of_Deaththat makes sense
07:13:49speacial_edjust thought of that
07:13:58Angel_of_Deaththat just occured to me to lol
07:14:21speacial_edi havent seen that doom disc in ages
07:14:37speacial_edi do not feel like going through my garage for that
07:14:43Angel_of_Deathebay for 3 bucks i bet
07:14:51Angel_of_Deathoh better yet
07:14:54Angel_of_Deathtry bit torrent
07:14:58speacial_edi was about to say that
07:15:07speacial_edwere on the same page here
07:15:16Angel_of_Deathgreat minds think alike
07:15:32|Josh|Alright.. thanks for all your help. Its nearing 1:15 here, so I need to be getting to bed. I'll see if I can't finish installing this tommorow.
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07:15:48Angel_of_Deathwhoa its 1.15 here to!
07:15:53Angel_of_Deathits gettin late!
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07:17:02speacial_ed10:16 here
07:17:26speacial_edive got a bit
07:18:12Angel_of_Deathi will prolly be up till 3
07:18:15Angel_of_Deathspring break this week
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07:19:49speacial_edmine was last week
07:20:00speacial_edum i cant find any doom1.wads by themself
07:20:08speacial_edonly a large pack of all sierra games
07:20:20Angel_of_Deathlink plz
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07:20:54|Josh|one last thing..
07:21:18speacial_edtheres doom.wad doom2.wad and doomu.wad (ultimate)
07:21:19|Josh|I'm trying to tar that tar.gz, but it can't find /dev/sdb3 (not a directory)
07:21:23speacial_edcan ultimate run on ipod?
07:21:24|Josh|I assume I have to mount it?
07:21:48Angel_of_Deathdont know
07:21:57Angel_of_Deathlets check on torrentspy
07:22:04speacial_edwas just there
07:22:14Angel_of_Deathwhat about
07:22:14speacial_edsame thing
07:22:19speacial_eddidnt check there
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07:22:40|Josh|never mind. stupid question
07:23:38speacial_edcoming up with alot of the doom movie... but that sit
07:23:50Angel_of_Deathput *game* in there
07:23:54Angel_of_Deathi got 2 results
07:23:58Angel_of_Deathbut niether had seeds
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07:25:28speacial_edcollectors edition
07:25:32speacial_edi imagine its the same doom
07:25:35speacial_edbut will it work?
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07:28:20speacial_edwell angel i got school tomorrow
07:28:40speacial_edim gonna head to bed but if you find one let me know ill be on here tomorrow probably
07:30:24Angel_of_Deathi will prolly get one
07:30:27Angel_of_Deathill let u know
07:32:49Angel_of_Deathspeacial_ed, u still here bro?
07:33:06speacial_edfor a minute
07:33:10speacial_edjust trying the .wads i got
07:33:21Angel_of_Deathi think i have the full version on a disk
07:33:43speacial_edo man just the .wad would be great if you do
07:34:03Bg3rmorning :)
07:34:22Angel_of_Deathhey bg
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07:35:01speacial_edfind it?
07:35:08Angel_of_Deathits on brothers pc
07:35:10Angel_of_Deathhold up
07:35:23Angel_of_Deathhes checking
07:35:38Angel_of_Deathgah all this talk about doom
07:35:41Angel_of_Deathi need to see that movie
07:35:45Angel_of_Deathlol still havent seen it
07:35:47speacial_edi havent either
07:35:48Bg3rwiki spam ...
07:35:53speacial_edmy brother and friend did
07:35:55Bg3rBagder ?
07:35:57speacial_edone says its great the other says it sucks
07:36:08Galoiswho's in charge of the wiki spam?
07:36:09Angel_of_Deathyeah i had similar conversations
07:36:31Angel_of_Deathhe says he has ultimate doom, and doom2
07:36:33speacial_eddid you get twilight.wad? mine wont work... same error i had with halflife
07:36:45Angel_of_Deathi didn't try that one
07:37:07Angel_of_Deathsometimes doom just has an error tho
07:37:08Angel_of_Deathand u just reload and it works
07:37:09speacial_edill try again
07:37:32Angel_of_Deathk im gona try ultimate doom *fingers crossed*
07:39:32speacial_edany luck?
07:39:51Angel_of_Deathlol i made him close his tv show
07:40:01Angel_of_Deathhe accidently closed 24 while looking for it
07:40:11Angel_of_Deathso now he wont get it untill he finishes it
07:40:50speacial_edtell him its for a good cause, so its ok
07:41:14afruff23close his TV show?
07:41:18afruff23do you own a station?
07:41:30Angel_of_Deathhe has class during 24
07:41:33Angel_of_Deathso he downloads it
07:41:36Angel_of_Deathand he was watching it
07:41:42afruff23I saw 24 just a few hours ago
07:41:46Angel_of_Deathme to
07:41:48afruff23how'd it get on the web so quick
07:41:49Angel_of_Deathit was very good
07:42:05Angel_of_Deathlol, usually its on the web right when the episode ends
07:42:14Angel_of_Deathu can also get a live stream on ur pc while its on tv
07:42:23Angel_of_Deathwell actually its about 15 seconds delayed
07:42:24afruff23and it takes apple a day to put up Lost
07:42:43Angel_of_Deathdid u watch prison break?
07:42:44speacial_edtwilight worked now to angel
07:42:48Angel_of_Deathk ed
07:42:49speacial_edso awesome they all worked
07:42:50speacial_edi did
07:42:53speacial_edwatch prison break
07:42:54Angel_of_Deathit was good
07:42:55speacial_edthat is
07:42:58speacial_edit was indeed
07:43:00afruff23I do normally
07:43:00Angel_of_Deaththe unit is on tomorrow
07:43:07Angel_of_Deaththe unit is good to
07:43:08afruff23but it's so bovious they're never gonna get out
07:43:15Angel_of_Deathlol i think they are
07:43:25afruff23no, then what would the show be?
07:43:26Angel_of_Deathits suposed to look imposible
07:43:34Angel_of_Deathso u think its that much more awesome when they do :P
07:43:43Angel_of_Deathno thats how they will end it
07:43:48afruff23it's just a big tease
07:43:50Angel_of_Deathevery show has an end
07:43:55Angel_of_Deathyeah true
07:44:06Angel_of_Deathi think they will drag it out a long time
07:44:07Angel_of_Deathbut they cant drag it past another season
07:44:16afruff23people will grow wise to the tease and stop watching
07:44:17speacial_edany progress on the doom?
07:44:30afruff23then there will be no staisfying finale
07:44:32Angel_of_Deathhe gave me the wrong one lol
07:44:45Angel_of_Deatheven at a tease
07:44:47Angel_of_Deathits still a good show
07:44:53afruff23I like the smart guy in prison break though
07:44:59afruff23I've seen him soemwhere
07:45:00Angel_of_Deathmicheal sciolfield
07:45:07afruff23nto like like
07:45:10afruff23but as an actor
07:45:11Angel_of_Deathi know what u mean
07:45:19Angel_of_Deathi like jessica alba :P
07:45:34nave7693hey she's hot
07:45:44Angel_of_Deathfirst thing ive seen u say nave
07:46:06Angel_of_Deathgettin it now ed
07:46:13afruff23I saw underworld
07:46:14Angel_of_DeathITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!
07:46:19afruff23but I don't rememebr it much
07:46:43afruff23it's jsut soemthing about him that I asmire
07:46:55afruff23just something*
07:46:57Slasherimorning.. goths, whatever :D
07:47:04Angel_of_Deathdude i cant wait till "the sentinel"
07:47:17nave7693looks to me like another 24
07:47:25afruff23does anybody remember Fastlane on Fox
07:47:33Angel_of_Deathi know
07:47:36afruff23that show was sweet
07:47:37Angel_of_Deaththats why i wanna see it
07:47:37speacial_edwell angel im going to bed dude
07:47:41afruff23why'd they cancel
07:48:00speacial_edill be on tomorrow so watch for me and if it works hit me up with it
07:48:04Angel_of_Deathgot it!
07:48:06speacial_edbut see ya
07:48:07Angel_of_Deathlets see if it works
07:48:15Angel_of_Deathultimate doom
07:48:21Angel_of_Deathill work on gettin doom1
07:48:34speacial_edsee ya man
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07:49:45*afruff23 is calcualting pixel positions for his WPS which is annoying sicne the coordinate system starts at 0
07:49:59Angel_of_Deathu making a wps?
07:50:07Angel_of_Deathfor a 5g?
07:50:08afruff23for the X5
07:50:14Angel_of_Deathnvm then! lol
07:50:25afruff23it's optimized for the small screen
07:50:42afruff23since all the ones out now are either too plain or too packed
07:50:46afruff23for the X5 that is
07:51:47afruff23If the 5G had better battery life then I wold've gotten it over my X5
07:52:07Angel_of_Deathi bring a charger to school :P
07:52:40afruff23It also would help if the iPod didn't use a proprietary port
07:53:16afruff23I can just buy any USb cable with a mini-B 5 pin
07:53:34afruff23which costs like $4
07:54:05afruff23any suggestions for a backdrop?
07:54:25Angel_of_Deathwant me to send u one?
07:54:29Angel_of_Deathude have to resize
07:54:34afruff23just description
07:54:40afruff23I want it to be from scratch
07:54:49Angel_of_Deathheres inspiration
07:55:16Angel_of_Deaththose are both good
07:55:35afruff23you didn't give links
07:55:50Angel_of_Deathim sending to u thru IRC
07:56:00afruff23I don't know how to recieve
07:56:12afruff23no message came up either
07:56:22Angel_of_Deathi duno then
07:56:33Angel_of_Deathcancelled them
07:56:40Angel_of_Deathhow about....
07:56:43Angel_of_Deathi dont know
07:56:49Angel_of_Deatha lion eating a whale
07:56:52Angel_of_Deathyes that would be cool
07:56:53afruff23if you can't describe it in words, then it is probably a bad backdrop
07:57:03afruff23that's bad
07:57:07afruff23that would obstruct view
07:57:10Angel_of_Deathit was suposed to be :P
07:57:20Angel_of_Deathi dont know im using the backdrop that came with the theme
07:57:35afruff23is it really that?
07:57:51Angel_of_Deathi just made that up
07:58:09afruff23no username or password
07:58:33Angel_of_Deathfor my backdrop?
07:58:40afruff23to send me the pic
07:58:45Angel_of_Deathno its fine lol
07:58:59afruff23are you a Slayer fan?
07:59:08Angel_of_Deathguess not, whose slayer?
07:59:15afruff23a band
07:59:23afruff23with a song called Angel of Death
07:59:37afruff23they're thrash metal
07:59:40afruff23like Metallica
07:59:48Angel_of_Deathever heard of blindside?
07:59:55afruff23they're one of the big 4 of thrash
08:00:00Angel_of_Deaththey are aight
08:00:26afruff23if you like heavy rock, then I suggest you check out that song
08:00:33afruff23heavy rock/metal
08:00:43Angel_of_Deathmaybe ill download it and see if its to my liking
08:00:43afruff23it's ahrd to tell the difference
08:02:06afruff23what bout this for a backdrop?
08:02:11afruff23scaled down of course
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08:02:56Angel_of_Deathdont like it for 2 reasons
08:03:09Angel_of_Death1 to much black, the more black the faster ur battery goes
08:03:13Angel_of_Deathand 2, its almost pure black
08:03:17Angel_of_Deaththeres hardly an image there
08:03:27afruff23I thoguht it was pure black
08:03:30afruff23I jsut saw it quickly
08:03:34afruff23and posted it
08:03:36afruff23as a joke
08:03:44afruff23I didn't notice that red part
08:03:52Angel_of_Deathwhy wouldnt u just set ur background to black then?
08:03:54afruff23it was a joke
08:04:06afruff23I wouldn't want black
08:04:09Angel_of_Deatha comedian in the house
08:04:37afruff23I cna't find inspiration for a good backdro
08:04:42afruff23they're all either too plain
08:04:46afruff23or obstruct view
08:05:10afruff23beach is too bright
08:05:23afruff23chick would eb too distracting
08:05:40Angel_of_Deaththen u wouldnt like my backdrops i was gonna send u :P
08:05:43Angel_of_Deathi dont use them tho
08:06:16afruff23that would osbtruct though
08:06:33Angel_of_Deathnot found
08:06:59afruff23you sure?
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08:07:14Angel_of_Deathi just tryed again
08:07:29Angel_of_Deathgot it
08:07:33Angel_of_Deathu and ur () in ur links
08:08:07Angel_of_Deathlemme find something
08:08:18afruff23I'm thinking of making a gradient
08:08:34BagderBg3r: yes?
08:09:02afruff23bg3r hasn't talked in a while
08:09:15Bagdersure he has
08:09:16afruff23are you sleeptypign?
08:09:19Bagder34 mins ago
08:09:20Angel_of_Deathlistening to angel of death
08:09:41Angel_of_Deathso far sounds to hardcore for me
08:09:48Angel_of_Deaththats not music
08:09:50afruff23that' what I was gonna say
08:09:56afruff23might be too ahrd for soem
08:10:06Angel_of_Deaththats just noise brotha
08:10:14afruff23says you
08:10:21Angel_of_Deathu like em?
08:10:24afruff23just so you know I'm not a goth or anything
08:10:32Angel_of_Deathwouldnt think u are.
08:11:02afruff23I like hard stuff ebcause of the nice drums and fast guitar
08:11:29Angel_of_Deathyes me to
08:11:34afruff23like the drums in Fear Factory-Slave Labor
08:11:36Angel_of_Deathbut sometimes the voice is to much
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08:12:45afruff23the itnro guitars to Angel of Death are pretty sweet though
08:12:54Angel_of_Deathit is
08:13:48midkayBagder, does puts_scroll only scroll the UI font or something? .. i call it in the quickscreen and even though the font is set to sysfixed, once it begins scrolling it only does so with the UI font.
08:13:54afruff23Slayer is accused of being racist on many occasions
08:14:07midkayi tried moving the setfonts to a place where they absolutely wouldn't change during the running of the quickscreen, it still only scrolls the ui font.
08:14:14afruff23but they refute with the argument that they have a Hispanic member
08:14:42Bagdermidkay: I'm not sure
08:14:54afruff23sorry for getting off-topic
08:14:58afruff23I'll leave
08:15:02midkayBagder, hm :\ not sure what to do.
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08:15:09Angel_of_Deathu might like ASG
08:15:17Angel_of_Deaththey have no voices in like all there songs almost
08:15:25Angel_of_Deathjust guitar and drums and stuff
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08:15:48Angel_of_Deaththe Showdown is good to
08:15:55Angel_of_Deaththey have double kick drums which sound awesome
08:16:11midkayBagder, well, i'll commit it as-is and maybe try to figure that out later, it's not a 'new' bug... and, no rush, but any thoughts on the bounce conundrum yet? my todo list is shrinking, you can't put it off forever! ;)
08:16:31Bagderwell, _my_ todo list is growing...
08:16:54Bagdersorry, but bounce.c is not my top prio work
08:17:05midkayhaha, got it
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08:18:15midkayi guess that can come as late as you want it to, i'll just stick with the multiples that are available for now.. can always change later
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08:26:30Angel_of_Deathi hope within the next few daily builds they will fix the sounds on DOOM
08:26:36Angel_of_Deatheven tho i know its probably there least concern
08:26:50Angel_of_Deathbut have u heard the sounds? sounds like dying birds when u shoot ppl lol
08:27:30Bagderrockbox is not "they", rockbox is "we" !
08:28:54Angel_of_Deathno, to me, its they
08:30:02Angel_of_DeathHey heres a question thats in the wrong IRC chat
08:30:19Angel_of_Deathdoes any1 know how to invert the colors of the windows, start bar and windows?
08:30:44Angel_of_Deathlike u can pick between blue (default), silver, and olive green... but u can also invert the silver
08:30:46Angel_of_Deathi just dont remeber how
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08:45:01midkayjust had an idea for the cvs builds page.. when a build is in progress, it says "Build expected to complete around xx:xx:xx (xxmin xxsec)" iirc - how hard would it be to make the xxmin xxsec actually count down until the expected time?
08:45:09Bg3rBagder what about a place @ for fonts ?
08:45:20midkayshould be rather simple, just expected_time minus current_time, and update every 5s or something..
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08:45:43BagderBg3r: sure, I'd like that
08:45:49Bagdermidkay: no, its not that simple
08:45:52midkayBg3r, wiki page?
08:46:04midkayBagder, oh :(
08:46:26Bg3rmidkay hm ..
08:46:29midkaya nice challenge for Mr. Script if he ever wants one :)
08:46:44midkayBg3r, that'd be best i think, so everyone can contribute fonts that they create, or something :)
08:47:02midkay has all the included ones i think
08:47:35Bg3rokay, but it's good to have them both in .fnt and .bdf formats
08:47:43midkayconverting that to a wiki page would be a nice start, and then adding could begin.. maybe two sections, "standard fonts" and "user-submitted fonts"
08:47:58midkaywell, ask the user to submit in both formats if he decides to submit a custom font :)
08:48:53Bg3rmidkay i think we must require the .bdf source ..
08:49:30midkayso, "you *must* submit the .bdf source along with your compiled .fnt or your font will be removed from the server" or something.
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08:54:25Bagderbloody spammers
08:54:49midkayspam sux!!
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08:58:27Angel_of_Deathlol what?
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09:01:01emiglioum, any one feel like being tech support for a rock box install on a mac?
09:05:30Bagderyou followed the wiki docs?
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09:16:11emiglioah sry, im following the tut on the site here
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09:17:59emiglioim having issues copying the firmware, it says its "Firmware-13.6.1" for 5th gen but all i have in the folder is " Firmware-"
09:18:09emiglioim having issues copying the firmware, it says its "Firmware-13.6.1" for 5th gen but all i have in the folder is " Firmware-"
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09:19:53Bagderyou following ?
09:21:38JdGordonwill the cahrge time between a 5v2A chanrger and a 5V1.5A charger be much different for a h300?
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09:23:15peturunless it would not give enough current
09:24:21JdGordonok, now what about 4.5V against 5V ?
09:24:45peturthere's a thread on MR about chargers
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09:54:56JdGordonhaha, ive found another rockbox... this 1 is a torrent tracker :D
09:55:40Bagderadd it to the pile =>
09:56:12JdGordonu prob dont want to link to potentially illegal sites tho do u?
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10:04:09Bagderwe don't have any wiki page with lcd FPS numbers, do we?
10:04:45peturamiconn was going to put it *somewhere* ;)
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10:05:03BagderI'm trying it on my x5 now
10:05:41Bagder71.5 / 289 in 124MHz
10:06:21Bagder23.5 / 95 in 45MHz
10:06:41Bagderyeah :-/
10:07:50Bagderbut the x5 lcd driver still has room for optimizations
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10:11:26Bagdermy start
10:13:46peturgood idea to add the version of the lcd driver next to it
10:14:16Bagderit should make it easier to compare between driver changes
10:14:28peturyep - what i meant ;)
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10:20:17Bagderlostlogic has a sh-gcc 3.4.X
10:20:32Bagderit makes a too large binary and thus he build fails on his server
10:20:59Bagderthat explais the red
10:28:43man_in_shack << :O
10:28:50man_in_shackwish that was supported by rockbox
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10:29:34Bagdergo go go ;-)
10:33:17peturor this (cheaper)
10:33:56Bagderthe MVP does video at 30 fps
10:34:02Bagderindicating some fancy hw for that
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10:50:09*Bagder pats his trustworthy old paperclip
10:51:01peturnever leave home without it
10:51:24*Bagder hasn't left home today ;-)
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10:52:22peturlast friday I got a bit of a laugh from my coworkers as wanted to leave work but had to come back for a paperclip to reset my h340 ;)
10:52:52BagderI've done the exact same
10:53:11Galoiswhich is why the ipod reset button is superior...
10:53:28midkayBagder, nice idea for the LcdFrameRate page. i just updated it to be like the battery/runtime pages, a chart to make data gathering easier. what do you think?
10:53:50BagderI think good!
10:53:58midkaywheeee :)
10:53:59*Bagder just moved the framebuffer to iram on his x5
10:54:16midkayhow much?
10:54:29Bagder=> 101 / 409 in full speed
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10:54:55Bagderthe x5 has 32K extra iram compared to the irivers
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10:54:57midkayi'd like to try that on my iPod :)
10:55:07midkayvery interesting..
10:55:10Bagder... which we don't currently use
10:55:20midkayi'll gather lcd FPS data for my ipod 5g now..
10:55:39Bagdermidkay: its 124MHz, not 75 on the x5
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10:55:50midkayBagder, what? oops..
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10:56:12midkayi'll correct that during my addition of 5G data (within a few minutes)
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11:02:14midkayBagder, where did your bytes/sec measurement comef rom?
11:02:30Bagdermax fps x width x height x depth =
11:02:47midkayah, oui oui oui ja ja.
11:03:08Bagderjust because the fps is a little misleading for the very large displays
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11:05:54midkaywtf.. hm.
11:06:05midkayi guess the 5g's way faster, intersting
11:06:35midkaywait.. you said 160x128x2?
11:06:42midkayit's x16, right?
11:06:43Bagder2 bytes
11:06:49Bagder16 bits
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11:07:56midkayk, updated..
11:08:47midkayBagder, how did you move the framebuffer to IRAM, and should that work for the iPods too? i'd really like to try it..
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11:09:15Bagderyou have too large buffer and too small iram I'd say
11:09:53midkaycould i take anything else out of IRAM to make room or something? :)
11:10:12Bagderno, 320*240*2 is bigger than the whole iram
11:10:16linuxstbmidkay: The 5g's framebuffer is 153600 bytes... IRAM is 128KB...
11:10:30midkayjust.. blast.
11:10:34Bagderlinuxstb: 128?
11:10:34midkaylet's move 3/4 of it!
11:10:35linuxstbAlso, IRAM doesn't seem to make much of a difference on the ipods anyway.
11:10:51linuxstbBagder: For the 5g, Nano and 2nd Gen Mini.
11:11:00midkaylet's overclock the iram to make room!!! :(
11:11:02linuxstbThe others are 96KB.
11:11:03BagderI see we don't use that either
11:11:35midkaylet's defy the laws of physics, reason and logic in order to fit 153kb-ish of crap into a 128KB bit of memory!
11:11:53linuxstbYou could run-length encode it....
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11:13:39Bagdernano and mini2g can most likely get their buffers into iram
11:13:47Bagderif it makes any diff
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11:22:41linuxstbpreglow: Any ideas how we can introduce a second FIQ handler on the ipods (for recording)?
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11:25:18*amiconn wonders about Bagder's extra #ifdef/#endif in test_fps
11:25:24amiconnWhy not #elif ?
11:25:34*midkay was just this moment semi-wondering the same thing. how odd./
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11:26:21ThatThereSome1what u guys working on?
11:26:52Bagderamiconn: just old fashion #elif paranoia playing tricks
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11:27:29BagderI'm so used to avoiding it I avoid it always ;-)
11:27:59midkayuh-oh.. something's broken! cvs table.. apparently rombox is no longer working for v2?
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11:28:19*midkay glares at Bagder
11:28:23Bagderits lostlogic's server using gcc 3.4
11:28:23midkaythanks a lot.
11:28:33Bagderit had nothing to do with my change
11:28:35midkayno. no. no. it was your test_fps changes.
11:28:40*midkay continues glaring
11:28:46Bagderlook again
11:29:02*midkay glares more furiously than ever before
11:29:31Bagderthen look at my change and try to explain how that could add anything to rombox
11:29:52midkayit just.. it.. did, alright?! :)
11:29:59midkayi know it was you, okay.
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11:42:43Bg3rany idea how to divide one .ape/.cue-ed CD into tracks ? (windows)
11:43:51Mikachuif winamp can play it by track, use wave writer and re encode maybe
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11:44:32Bg3rheh, this is a stupid way imho ...
11:44:55Mikachuit's lossless anyway
11:44:57Bg3rhm, what about writing it to a virtual cd ...
11:45:02Bg3rMikachu depends ...
11:45:16Bg3rEQ etc ...
11:45:25Mikachuwriting to a virtual cd is less stupid than wave files?
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11:46:14Bg3rMikachu no offense, but i don't know what winamp does between track decoding and the output to a .wav
11:46:22Bg3rlike volume etc...
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11:47:13Mikachui doubt it does anything if you disable the eq
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11:52:18JdGordonye, if the eq is off then there prob is no diff than burning to a virtual cd and reripping the tracks..
11:53:34linuxstbBg3r: "shntool" can split files using a cue sheet. Not sure if it supports Ape, but I think it uses external command-line decoders/encoders, so it could be able to.
11:54:12Bg3rlinuxstb 10x!
11:54:26Bg3rat least i can convert the .ape to .wav etc
11:54:37linuxstbAccording to this page, it supports Ape:
11:55:46Bg3rah, multiplatform tool, very good
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11:57:16linuxstbshntool is also useful for checking "losslessness". You can create an MD5 checksum of the uncompressed PCM data (not including the WAV header) in your original APE, and then after you split it, create a "composite" md5 checksum on the set of split files. These should match.
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11:58:25Bg3rokay, thank you for the advice ;)
11:58:34linuxstbThat's for the really paranoid...
11:58:53Bg3rhaha yes :)
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12:09:27preglowlinuxstb: i would have thought ipl already had the how of it ready
12:10:33linuxstbpreglow: IPL uses function pointers to call the appropriate FIQ handler. It's not the details of recording that's the problem, just simply how we can add a second FIQ handler in Rockbox without slowing down the playback FIQ.
12:11:06amiconnBagder: Rombox for fm/v2 is broken since Slasheri's tagcache change yesterday :(
12:11:45amiconnMaybe an sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x adds to that and lets it already break in 'ld'
12:12:14preglowlinuxstb: it'll pretty much have to slow down unless we swap fiq handlers depending on what features are currently enabled
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12:12:57preglowwhich probably means duplicating a lot of code
12:13:29amiconnpreglow: What about full duplex operation?
12:14:02preglowdo the two fiq handlers in ipl look similar?
12:14:26preglowi'm just hoping i can use the set of banked fiq regs for both fiq handlers
12:15:01linuxstbYes, very similar. They both appear to be using the same FIFO - configured for either reading/writing. So I don't think we can have simultaneous playback and recording.
12:15:46preglowahh, then horray
12:15:48preglowhooray too
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12:18:00linuxstbpreglow: How does your playback fiq initialise the banked registers? Will swapping between two different fiq() functions (e.g. using a function pointer) be troublesome?
12:18:29amiconnlinuxstb: Why not just swap the fiq vector?
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12:20:21linuxstbYes, I've thought about that as well. It's a branch instruction, not just an address, but should work.
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12:22:05preglowlinuxstb: depends if i can reuse them or not
12:22:14preglowlinuxstb: currently, the regs are initialised in crt0.S, quite simply
12:22:25preglowduring the different mode inits
12:22:46linuxstbYes, I've noticed that. I'm assuming we could easily re-initialise them if needed.
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12:24:59preglowbut find out if we can neglect full duplex, please :)
12:25:50preglowi'm using the fact that arm gives free address offseting quite a lot, and that'd be harder if we need to support both rec and playback at the same time
12:27:05linuxstbYes, I'll confirm that when I look at the IPL recording code in detail.
12:27:30Mikachuheh, pressed Stop now and the music continued playing until the buffer was emptied
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12:29:06Mikachubut if i pause and the stop, the buffer it looks like the buffer is instantly discarded
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12:30:48Mikachuin the first case, it will even continue emptying the old buffer if i select a new playlist and start playing that
12:30:58Mikachulooks like it recovers gracefully from there on though
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12:53:40amiconnThis is a strange effect; I reported it to lostlogic already. Didn't test on all swcodec targets yet with the new code, but I get this behaviour for a few days on H300 *only*
12:54:15amiconnOn all of H1x0, mini 2G, and swcodec sims it doesn't happen...
12:54:28Mikachuthe thing i described?
12:54:53amiconnSeems like a race that depends on gfx update speed
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12:56:13amiconnLooks like there are still some event serialisation problems in the audio thread
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13:16:35linuxstbpreglow: Seems I was mistaken - there seems to be independent record/playback FIFOs, so simultaneous recording and playback might be possible.
13:17:55man_in_shackhmmm ...
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13:27:30preglowi don't want to do any register reloading in the fiq
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13:31:57linuxstbDoes Rockbox itself support simultaneous playback and record?
13:32:35preglowno idea
13:32:40preglowbut we should support it for radio and such
13:33:34linuxstbRadio isn't an issue on the ipods though.
13:33:56Mikachuthere is a radio accessory
13:34:00amiconnpreglow: Your effect box...
13:34:20preglowyeah, and that, but that'll either be a separate rockbox app or a plugin
13:34:23linuxstbYes, but I doubt the audio goes anywhere near the ipod itself. It's just an external tuner that you plug the headphones directly into.
13:35:36preglowbut yes
13:35:43preglowwe should support full duplex if possible
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13:38:17linuxstbWe should be able to identify the source of the interrupt (playback or recording FIFO) and then branch to the correct FIQ handler. This shouldn't involve any memory accesses (we already read the appropriate status register to reset the FIQ).
13:39:14linuxstbSo I think my first implementation will simply add that check to your ASM playback FIQ, and call a C function to handle the recording FIQs.
13:41:20lostlogicBagder: what version os sh-gcc should I have?
13:41:34Bagder3.3.6 is the latest I think
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13:42:57Bagderanyway, with my patch it should be dead easy to make a test build for nano with the frambuffer in iram and see if it makes it faster
13:43:50Mikachui can test if preglow is sleeping
13:44:20Bagdershould be an added #define and two .lds lines changed
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13:45:52Mikachui'm not sure what numbers i'd change to in the .lds
13:46:03Bagderc000 => 14000
13:46:14Bagderfor iram size
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13:46:56Mikachui just have to go to the laundry room for a bit
13:47:03Bagderand do a make clean
13:47:37Bagderat least I had to
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13:54:09lostlogicbagh, gcc-3.3.6 failed to compile... trying non-parallel, JinC
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13:54:37lostlogicoh, there's a work around
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14:08:00warthawgi think my rockbox would sound better if the volume went all the way to 11
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14:14:22lostlogicI wish mine went down to -60 or -70
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14:16:38lostlogicpetur: -57 is uncomfortably loud in a quiet office environment with shure E3 earphones.
14:17:05lostlogicfor me.
14:17:08peturis that on ipod?
14:17:18linuxstbI think you can apply up to -127db of digital gain in the 5g's DAC.
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14:18:29linuxstbSo we could extend the volume range, and use a combination of the analogue and digital volume controls.
14:19:10lostlogicnot a bad idea.
14:19:12linuxstbIn fact, there are a lot of features (such as the hardware EQ) which we are not using at the moment on the 5g.
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14:20:13wehnH300 goes down to -83, much better vol control than iriver's fw.
14:21:26Mikachudoes volume affect battery life much?
14:21:45XavierGrnot much
14:21:57XavierGrespecially low-mid volume
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14:22:05XavierGrthen it makes a small difference
14:22:11XavierGr30-50mah more maybe
14:22:55Bagderyou mean mA?
14:23:01XavierGrah 50 os too much. I think Rob2222 said something about 30
14:23:07XavierGrah yes sorry
14:23:19MikachuBagder: hm
14:23:20Bagder50 mA is a _lot_
14:23:34XavierGrThere was a site that had a list
14:23:45MikachuBagder: nm, there is PP5020 instead of IPOD_ARCH
14:23:45XavierGrRob made some measurements
14:24:19linuxstbOnly problem with the digital volume control is that I think it's applied before the DAC - so it affects both the headphone and line out. You can specify the analogue gain independently for each output.
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14:24:40MikachuBagder: but 176*134*2/1024 is 46kB and 0x14000-0xc000 is only 32 kB, will it work?
14:25:04BagderMikachu: I'm quite sure as I believe there was already some spare space
14:25:13Bagderbut the linker will tell you if not
14:25:56Bagderat least in the x5 case I also added 32K but managed to add the ~40K frame buffer
14:26:07Bagderand there's actually still plenty of space left
14:26:57Mikachudo you have the limit lower than actual iram size to avoid unnecessary bloating?
14:27:18Mikachu/usr/local/ipod-chain/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (/home/mikaelh/code/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf section .stack)
14:28:37linuxstbARM code seems to be much bigger than Coldfire, which might account for it.
14:28:58Bagder0x10013c6c stackend = .
14:29:03Bagder(for x5)
14:29:16Bagderit wasn't really "plenty"
14:29:30Bagdersorry for being sloppy
14:29:47linuxstbWhich reminds me, we have disabled the ICODE_ATTR for ARM targets in Tremor because it was too big...
14:30:07Mikachuhow big is the iram for ipods?
14:30:22Mikachuthere is an inlined function called in many places, if you uninline it you save 10kB or so
14:30:24linuxstb128KB for the Nano
14:30:52MikachuBagder: i changed 14 to 15 and it linked
14:30:52linuxstbYou can't have a function which is both in IRAM and inlined...
14:31:14Mikachulinuxstb: if the code it's inlined into is placed in iram, which i thought the whole codec was?
14:31:27Mikachuor only parts?
14:31:28BagderMikachu: ok, but then you're shrinking the iram size for the codecs
14:31:29linuxstbAh, you're talking about Tremor, rather than the LCD problem?
14:31:44amiconnICODE_ATTR makes no sense for an iniline function
14:31:52amiconn(at least if it's static inline)
14:32:06Mikachuif only parts of the codec are loaded in iram, ignore what i said
14:32:18linuxstbYes, I think Tremor is mostly not in IRAM.
14:32:25linuxstb(in terms of code)
14:32:25amiconnIf the function is inlined, it will be placed in whatever segment the parent function is placed
14:32:30lostlogicbagh, how are track pointers getting out of sync from the playing track!?
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14:37:09MikachuBagder: the scale here is wrong, but i get 201 and 792.5 without the change and 200.5 and 796.5 after the change
14:37:13amiconnBagder: 101 fps at 124MHz with the framebuffer in IRAM seems quite slow to me
14:37:27Bagderamiconn: yes indeed
14:37:37amiconnOn H300, we manage 134fps at 124MHz, with the framebuffer in SDRAM (!)
14:37:55BagderMikachu: hah, well then IRAM vs DRAM doesn't seem to make of a difference
14:37:57amiconn(and the framebuffer is almost twice as large)
14:38:15preglowep0ch: you here?
14:38:21amiconnBut on H300, we have an asm-optimised lcd_write_data() :-)
14:38:36Bagderyes, the x5 is not optmized
14:38:59Mikachuand in school they always tell us "modern compilers create better code than most good assembler programmers" :)
14:39:12amiconnI planned to have a go at that, including burst read. With IRAM, burst read won't make a difference
14:39:32amiconnMikachu: Hahahahahahahaha. Maybe for x86..
14:39:46Bagderthere's always the risk that the framebuffer won't fit in IRAM in the long run
14:40:11Bagderthey also say that java isn't slow ;-)
14:40:56amiconnMikachu: I've seen numerous examples of gcc stupidity, for SH1 and coldfire...
14:41:26amiconnMy favourite:
14:41:33amiconnmove.l %d0,%d1
14:41:39amiconnaddq.l #4,%sp
14:41:45amiconnmove.l %d1,%d0
14:41:54Bagdera golden one
14:42:10Mikachui'm only vaguely familiar with mips assembler
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14:43:35preglowamiconn: seems that particular stupidity isn't even target dependent
14:43:44preglowMikachu: and that's m68k asm :P
14:44:15Mikachuyes, so i'm not familiar with it at all
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14:46:36preglowanyone on iriver want to test new crossfeed before i commit?
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14:47:18warthawgi am not familiar with mips assembler at all
14:47:47warthawgalthough i once sat at the same table where de icaza and tiemann were extolling the virtues of the architecture
14:51:19amiconnBagder, linuxstb etc: I'll fill in the framerate page tonight. Just hafta redo the tests to note the 1/4lcd update speeds
14:51:35amiconn(my local table only hold full update speeds)
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14:52:06MikachuBagder: it may have given a 0.7 fps increase in doom, but i only ran the test once so it could be noise
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14:53:10amiconnI'll also add proper remote lcd support, and a slightly different cpu frequency printing to test_fps
14:54:24amiconn(and a check whether frequency changed during the test)
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14:59:21preglowall gui stuff is main thread, right?
14:59:44*Bagder managed to up it to 116 fps
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15:00:08peturspeedfreaks ;)
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15:03:05flatlanderwhere is the rockbox "bootloader"
15:03:24flatlanderI can't find it on the download page
15:03:38peturwhat player?
15:03:44flatlanderiRiver hp120
15:05:51flatlanderI'm in USA, should I get "H120 and H140 1.66US"?
15:06:27peturdepends on the iriver firmware you want to run as alternative
15:06:35peturrockbox is dual-boot ;)
15:07:01flatlanderI got the latest firmware for the 120
15:07:40flatlanderso you can choose between the rockbox and stock OS's?
15:07:52amiconnpetur: I don't care much. Retailos is only good for flashing, and on H300 for usbotg (hint hint)
15:08:11flatlanderthanks petur
15:09:16peturamiconn: I finally resumed isp1362 investigation yesterday evening but my asm is quite rusty (reading the h300 disassembly)
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15:10:40lostlogicamiconn: is there any way to re-start a loaded codec currently?
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15:11:49lostlogichmm, never mind, that wouldn't be a good idea on a codec failure.
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15:16:53preglowi'll just init macsr to be frac mode in main thread, seeing as that'll be pretty much the only case we'll ever need to use the emac in anyway
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15:18:28preglowwooo, playback lockup
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15:18:56preglowall threads are running just fine, but it refuses to turn off
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15:21:02preglowARGHGHGH, and now linux usb hangs again
15:21:04preglowpart for life
15:21:37amiconnI thought linux was so super-stable? ;)
15:22:27linuxstbEverything apart from USB.... I get the same problems sometimes.
15:22:28lostlogicpreglow: whee, I assume track skipping was involved?
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15:24:53_FireFly_ho ;)
15:25:05ThatThereSome1wots u lot talking about
15:25:31ThatThereSome1lol, wot about it tho?
15:25:32ThatThereSome1X5 maybe?
15:25:38ThatThereSome1please (A)
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15:25:57preglowlostlogic: yeah...
15:26:43Mikachupreglow: are you doing eject on the ipod before unplugging it?
15:27:03_FireFly_or at least an unmount
15:27:50*amiconn loves to just unplug on windows
15:28:01_FireFly_amiconn: moep
15:28:02amiconnI never use 'safely remove hardware'
15:28:14_FireFly_there you can have also dataloose
15:28:16Mikachuwow, you're so elite
15:28:23amiconn(of course I checked that write caching is disabled)
15:28:29_FireFly_amiconn: so you are a lucky guy at the moment
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15:28:34ep0chpreglow: am now, can i help?
15:29:06lostlogicpreglow: sigh. I haven't gotten any freezes, but there is definitely a buffer vs. track pointer sync problem that pops up with skipping.
15:29:09amiconn_FireFly_: I had a slight dataloss exactly once. That was when write caching was accidentally enabled for one device (archos player)
15:29:26preglowlostlogic: might have been an old build
15:29:31preglowep0ch: ahh, right
15:29:33_FireFly_amiconn: with an usb-flash disk you can damage your disk faster when write-cache is disabled
15:29:39preglowep0ch: you're allowed to do some spdif comparisons for me :)
15:29:51_FireFly_and with an FAT-fs
15:29:59warthawgeject doesnt work on nano on recent builds
15:30:02preglowep0ch: you didn't by any chance use to do asciis before, did you?
15:30:27ep0chasciis? ascii art? nahhhh
15:30:37_FireFly_because each write to the falsh-disk will result in a write to the FAT(which is located on the beginning of the flash)
15:30:43ep0chwhich codecs did you have in mind? or is this crossfeed?
15:31:29_FireFly_and when the maximum write cycles of these cells are reached then these are damaged and also the FAT is broken -> dataloos
15:31:41amiconn_FireFly_: In theory, yes
15:31:56_FireFly_also in partical
15:32:05Mikachuwarthawg: don't use emergency disk mode on nano, use apple os
15:32:06amiconn100000 cycles will take a while
15:32:36Mikachuactually that could be just one write of a big file
15:32:37preglowcan anyone please tell me why my h120 buttons don't work anymore+
15:32:38warthawgMikachu: thanks
15:32:41_FireFly_i have seen some post of users where had sync in ther fstab-opts for their usb-flash-disks and had then brocken flash-disks
15:32:50preglownot even the bootloader recognizes them
15:33:11ep0chyou have the hold switch on ;)
15:33:19preglowyes i did
15:33:25_FireFly_due the mass write in the first part of the flash-disk(where the FAT is when FAT is used)
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15:44:44lostlogicok, my build server now has 3.3.6(sh1) 3.4.5(m68k) and 4.0.3(arm), these are the latest, and best compilers for each target, yes?
15:45:04ep0chthere's a 4.0.3?
15:45:11Mikachuthere's a 3.4.6
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15:45:16Mikachuno idea if it's bester than 3.4.5 though
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15:45:40lostlogicMikachu: I don't see 3.4.6 on the gcc page...
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15:45:49Mikachuthe title says .5, but the text right under says .6
15:46:00Mikachuit's been like that for a couple of months now
15:46:33*amiconn yawns
15:52:41preglowep0ch: please test out crossfeed
15:52:43preglowi'll be back later
15:53:03ep0chok, on ihp, with the patch that's on your website?
15:53:41preglowep0ch: the one i just commited
15:54:06preglowep0ch: and yeah, with h120, and if you've got time, compare if the asm optimised routine is actually equal to the c one
15:54:10preglowthat'd be great
15:54:47ep0chi might generate some sweeping sine wave on one channel and see how it looks
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15:55:54ep0chpreglow: did you bump the config version?
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16:21:31SamSheehey if any mods are around just a heads up, the link at the bottom of the Download page, "bug page", points to a page that's no longer there
16:22:19*petur kicks Bagder
16:22:49lostlogicviolent violent
16:22:58SamSheealso, any word on the iTunes Database? are there any people currently tackling that?
16:23:31SamSheei've read all around the site but it just seems to be a "later" thing
16:23:42peturit is
16:23:42lostlogicit is still a later thing.
16:24:55SamSheeoh well, thanks
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16:35:33GargamaleRockbox is god
16:35:36GargamaleFor the record
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16:41:33man_in_shackjust a suggestion
16:41:56man_in_shacki see references on the wiki to mp3 recording
16:42:06man_in_shackbut why does it have to be mp3? why not ogg or flac?
16:42:22man_in_shacki'd like to see ogg or flac recording in rockbox
16:42:30man_in_shackanyways, time for sleep
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16:45:14linuxstbman_in_shack: Realtime vorbis and FLAC encoding will not be easy on the CPUs Rockbox runs on. The MP3 encoder we do have is poor quality compared to Lame. We do have a realtime lossless Wavpack encoder though - which should compress better than FLAC.
16:45:25_FireFly_is it normal or why is the position of the Shuffle -option on the quickscreen (when holding Mode in file-tree) higher then of the Repeat-option
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16:45:55linuxstb_FireFly_: I think that was a recent change - to allow for long translations.
16:46:41_FireFly_ok, on the remote(h120) between the text and the << is some space
16:47:33*_FireFly_ must now reitigrate his combine-bitmap support ;)
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16:52:56flatlanderI'm confused with how to install rockbox on my h120
16:53:17flatlanderI have latest firmware and bootloader
16:54:19flatlanderI do not want to develop anything new, I just want to use the rockbox firmware
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16:54:49Mikachuhave you looked at the install instructions?
16:55:20flatlanderI'm confused, do I HAVE to install the bootloader?
16:55:32t0masyou have to
16:55:34Mikachui would say that is a prerequisite to booting rockbox
16:56:04Mode"#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas)
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16:59:53GargamaleIs album art in later builds?
16:59:59preglowep0ch: yeah
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17:01:33ep0chpreglow i have just done the testing
17:01:51lostlogicGargamale: no, it's not been applied yet
17:02:09preglowep0ch: how's it look?
17:02:14ep0chpreglow: bit perfect
17:02:33ep0chunless i messed up the testing
17:02:48*linuxstb passes preglow a congratulatory beer
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17:03:05ep0chcrossfeed boost ratio (ogg vorbis 166 kbps) on ihp120. no cf = 20%, cf asm = 23%, cf no asm = 26.5%
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17:04:30Gargamalelostlogic, SO, in order to apply the patch, Id have to compile, eh?
17:04:34lostlogicsomewhere in this playback code, there is 1 bug, and this one bug means that either each buffer fill, or each buffer wrap, something gets missaligned and the world eats itself. but I don't know what the bug is or where, if you play music for <20 m at a time, it never happens.
17:04:39lostlogicGargamale: right
17:04:52Gargamalelostlogic: Ill wait, I guess, otherwise, rockbox owns me
17:05:04lostlogicGargamale: probably won't be applied until after May 1
17:05:07Gargamaleipodlinux was ass, but this is boss
17:05:16GargamaleThanks logic
17:05:33GargamaleI love the fact that I can change every aspect of the WPS
17:05:37GargamaleThat is awesome
17:05:43warthawgrockbox rox
17:06:02GargamaleAnd, once I got Tag Cache working, its just like the old apple firmware browsing
17:06:25GargamaleMy main issue, the cursor moves slow over a list of artists/songs
17:06:31Mikachulostlogic: do you mean "before may 1"?
17:06:38Mikachulostlogic: nm, i missed 'until'
17:06:40GargamaleUntil after
17:06:46Mikachumy eyes are evil
17:06:56lostlogicGargamale: what device?
17:07:04Gargamale5G iPod
17:07:13lostlogicyeah, it is slow when not boosted.
17:07:20GargamaleHow to boosted?
17:07:23Gargamaleer, boost
17:07:29GargamaleI changed scroll speed to 25
17:07:37GargamaleBut that I think is the refresh rate of the page moving
17:07:41lostlogicit's automatically boosted as needed for playback
17:07:41preglowep0ch: cool, thanks a bunch
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17:07:55lostlogicyeah, the problem is the rate it can move the cursor when the CPU is running at it's slower speed
17:08:07lostlogicbut it kills battery life to boost all the time (even more than w/o boost)
17:08:09GargamaleEven while not playing its slow as molasses
17:08:15GargamaleAnd theres no acceleration
17:08:15ep0chpreglow: anytime
17:08:32MikachuGargamale: it would only be fast during playback
17:08:43GargamaleSlow then, too
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17:08:52GargamaleO well, I'll live
17:08:53GargamaleI think
17:08:54Mikachuyes, you need to hit a buffer fill
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17:09:11Mikachualso, ipods aren't done yet
17:09:17GargamaleYeah, I realize that
17:09:33GargamaleThats what I like about this project though, the fact that it is ongoing
17:09:39GargamaleAnd it'll be resolved eventually
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17:10:19GargamaleIs there an equivalent to On The Go playlist like on the apple fw
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17:10:58linuxstbYes - whenever you play files, an "on the go" playlist is created. You can manipulate and save this playlist.
17:11:26GargamaleRight, but how do I queue one up
17:11:32GargamaleTo play next
17:11:47GargamaleHold select over the track?
17:12:02linuxstbYes, and then choose from the menu. It's described in the manual.
17:12:06Paul_The_NerdAnd then choose "Playlist" and "Queue next"
17:12:13GargamaleYeah, I read that, but was having issues
17:12:16Paul_The_NerdA quick search for "Queue" in the manual would've brought you this information.
17:12:31Paul_The_NerdWhat specific problem had ye?
17:12:41linuxstbGargamale: The new work-in-progress manuals are here:
17:12:42GargamaleYes, I read it first before asking, I was making sure I was doing it right, cuz it didnt seem to work
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17:12:57flatlanderwhat do I do with bootloader-h120.bin? I ran the patch program with the original firmware in the same directory and it said patch successful
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17:13:21Paul_The_NerdGargamale: In general, it's best to actually ask about the problem you were having then. What happens, instead of it working?
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17:13:41Paul_The_Nerdflatlander: If you're using fwpatcher.exe the bootloader bin file is unnecessary.
17:14:02GargamalePaul_The_Nerd: Played the next song fromt he album, not the one I queued
17:14:06flatlanderoh ok
17:14:16peturflatlander: copy the patched h120 firmware on your player and use the iriver firmware to flash it
17:14:31flatlandersweet, just making sure I'm doing it right
17:14:35flatlanderhere goes...
17:14:39peturand don't forget to unzip rockbox itself on there too...
17:14:44GargamalePaul_The_Nerd: But that was a build that had a lot of other problems too so it may have been that
17:14:49Paul_The_NerdGargamale: And you did choose "Queue Next" specifically?
17:15:11GargamaleThought so, Ill try again later, and if I have any problems report it
17:15:23GargamaleYou guys are actually helpful
17:15:39GargamaleMost channels for open source software is full of elitist pricks that jump all over the noobs
17:15:46Paul_The_NerdJust make sure it's Queue Next, as there's also a Queue Last, and I'm not 100% certain what Queue does by default.
17:16:03Paul_The_NerdI know Queue places it after the most recently queued song after you've done one.
17:16:45Mikachuif you do queue on song A and then on song B
17:16:50Mikachuthey will be in the order A B
17:16:55Mikachubut if you queue next they will be B A
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17:17:26GargamaleThat pretty much means the features I require most are here
17:17:27GargamaleRight on
17:18:00flatlanderthanks so much for your help
17:18:06Paul_The_NerdMikachu: But you can do "Queue Next" and then make all following ones "Queue". I prefer to do it that way just so it's explicit. Especially if I can't remember if I did a Queue Last at any point.
17:18:09flatlandermy h120 is reborn :D
17:18:19GargamalePaul_The_Nerd: : Good tip
17:19:08Jungti1234What is 'Direct Gain'?
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17:19:39GargamaleHas to dow ith recording doesnt it?
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17:21:25Paul_The_NerdJungti1234: Where do you see "direct gain" in Rockbox?
17:21:57Jungti1234In Crossfeed
17:22:19Paul_The_NerdAh. I haven't tried the new crossfeed yet
17:23:09GargamaleWhats crossfeed?
17:23:18GargamaleI know what Crossfade is
17:23:23lostlogicmix audio between L and R channels
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17:23:45_FireFly_;) cbitmap support readded ;)
17:23:45Paul_The_NerdCrossfeed goes through an effort to mix audio between the L and R channels in a way to reproduce a similar sound to what you'd get if you were listening to speakers instead of headphones.
17:24:34Jungti1234If you don't explain it to wiki, it must answer repeatedly.
17:24:40GargamaleO, stereo widening
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17:25:36Jungti1234then, what is 'Cross gain'?
17:25:43linuxstb_FireFly_: Nice. Now we need a script to convert a WPS with separate bitmaps to a WPS with combined bitmaps...
17:25:57Paul_The_NerdGargamale: Not the same thing. There's also a stereo width option in the sound settings.
17:27:32ep0chGargamale: crossfeed adds a delay and filter to each crossed channel
17:27:37Gargamaleah hah
17:28:10Jungti1234:( what's that..
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17:34:05GargamaleThanks firefly
17:34:07GargamaleGood info
17:34:33Jungti1234I knew it.
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17:38:17Jungti1234Can't I quicken the compile speed?
17:38:29lostlogicJungti1234: use make -j5
17:38:51Jungti1234I began compile already.
17:39:53ep0chJungti1234: what build environment do you use? cygwin is really slow if that's what you are using
17:40:24Jungti1234I use cygwin....
17:40:40Jungti1234What should I use?
17:40:56ep0chwell cygwin does the job but is slow
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17:41:39ep0chi believe there is a rockbox linux vmware image somewhere that might help
17:42:24Jungti1234um, I use the bad computer.
17:42:34_FireFly_and a colinux version of the build -env
17:42:38goffa_interesting on that crossfeed amp.. didn't know they were out of bozeman, mt
17:42:56goffa_i've been to quite a bit
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17:43:19ep0choh hangon
17:43:28goffa_< from montana
17:43:50Jungti1234that is linux?
17:45:13ep0chJungti1234: yes its a linux build that sits inside a virtual machine, so you can run in from within windows
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17:46:56muzhey can someone help me im trying to configure cygwin to make patches
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17:47:11muzsorry i mean to apply patches
17:47:28muzbut when i type the "../tools/configure" command
17:47:41muzi get "no such file or directory"
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17:48:25Jungti1234Where did you input it?
17:48:38Jungti1234Directory path.
17:49:19muzhome/(my name)/build
17:49:59linuxstbWhere is your copy of the Rockbox source? i.e. the apps, firmware, tools etc directories?
17:50:18muzhome/(my name)/rockbox-devel
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17:51:28ep0chi think you need to have your build dir inside rockbox-devel
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17:51:41muzoh okay
17:52:27muzbut awesome tis workin :)
17:52:36muzoops omit the but
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17:53:25muzoh crap
17:53:30muzokay new problem
17:53:30Mikachuyou can have build/ wherever you want, but obviously you have to adjust the command to run configure then
17:53:54muzi get a "the procdure entry point_impure_ptr could not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll"
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17:55:10muzmaybe i have an old cygwin1.dll
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17:58:19flatlanderwhere do i get/put the doom wads?
17:58:34Jungti1234- /games/doom/
17:59:40flatlander..\.rockbox\games\doom -?
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18:00:14flatlanderthanks man
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18:00:36muzgrrrr where can i get the latest cygwin1.dll
18:00:43muzwithout reinstalling everything
18:01:07linuxstbYou probably just have more than one copy. Search your hard disk for cygwin1.dll and delete the oldest one.
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18:01:25Jungti1234oh... :(
18:01:29Jungti1234here is 01:01
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18:06:48muzok im confused on the site there is no individual cygwin1.dll download
18:07:10muzand when i reinstall using setup.exe i dont know which package replaces cygwin1.dll
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18:08:10ep0chis there a "base" package?
18:10:32muzwoooohooooo got it
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18:11:57muzcrap another problem
18:12:02muzi get No targets specified and no makefile found.
18:12:19muzeven though i dont get any warnings/errors
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18:16:14ep0chmuz: you are in the build dir and you did run configure?
18:16:14lostlogicDude is about as patient as a hamster.
18:16:21muzyes and yes
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18:17:20ep0chmuz: and when you do an "ls" there is a Makefile?
18:17:30muzls in build ?
18:17:40ep0chyeah your pwd
18:18:04muzthere is a makefile in rockbox-devel but not in build
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18:18:50ep0chthen i think you ran configure in the wrong dir
18:18:51amiconnlostlogic: What is this good for: /* Recalculate remaining bytes to buffer, but always leave extra data for the currently playing codec to seek back into */
18:19:04amiconnDoe the swcodec codecs need to seek back during normal playback???
18:19:16ep0chcd build; ../tools/configure; make && make zip
18:19:20muzi ran ../tools/configure in rockbox-devel/build
18:21:17muzit says Using sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6 (303)
18:21:28muzthats not an error though is it
18:21:49lostlogicamiconn: It's only needed for the rebuffer and seek type of rebuffer. Should probably be conditional in one way or another, but 32k doesn't seem a very big deal one way or another.
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18:22:36amiconnWhat is rebuffer and seek?
18:23:22amiconnI thought that seek works on what is currently loaded, and if the seek target isn't currently in the buffer, the buffer is discarded and a rebuffering is done?
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18:23:40kkurbjunlinuxstb, are you around?
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18:23:55kkurbjunI was wondering about doom's sound on the ipod
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18:24:57linuxstb_kkurbjun: Sound works fine on the ipods if I change the samplerate to 44.1KHz. I have been meaning to ask you about that.
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18:25:29ep0chare the native samples in doom recorded at 44.1?
18:26:09ep0chn'mind i'm off
18:26:13kkurbjunlinuxstb_, yes, it works at higher rates on irivers too.. kindof, the sound is distorted though as I don't think the processor is keeping up with the higher saple rate..
18:26:19kkurbjunep0ch, their 11k
18:26:25Slasheriamiconn: seeking always has worked whether the requested seek position is in the buffer or not
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18:26:40kkurbjunlinuxstb, does the ipod just not support lower sampling rates right now?
18:27:06MikachuSlasheri: i noticed a commit you made the other day commented out two lines with //, i think rockbox is /**/ only
18:27:09amiconnSlasheri: Yes of course. What I wonder about is the comment
18:27:13kkurbjunif it works fine on the ipod you could always do an ifdef for the sample rate
18:27:18MikachuSlasheri: if you want to set a good example :)
18:27:27SlasheriMikachu: i have a reason why i use // comments
18:27:28amiconnsee 18:18
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18:27:40amiconnAhem, 19:18 for you :)
18:27:41Slasherii use them to comment out single lines of code temporarily (to be removed later)
18:28:13Slasheri(i never do real comments with //, so it's easier to see what type of comment has been made)
18:28:23Mikachuyou could also write that in the comment
18:28:35Slasheriamiconn: yep, that sounds unnecessary to leave old data in the buffer..
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18:29:05lostlogicamiconn: yes, rebuffer and seek is what happens if you seek within the currently playing song, the buffer is discarded, but the codec keeps playing, and rebuffer is done from the target seek point in the playing song, not the beginning of that song. This means that we need to pad the seek point for the buffer, or we will rebuffer multiple times for a single seek (as pointed out by lear)
18:29:41kkurbjunlinuxstb_, also, I was wondering what you were doing with the menu keys on the ipod?
18:29:45amiconnDoesn't rockbox only jump to the seek point after you stop seeking?
18:30:07linuxstb_kkurbjun: I haven't looked at the menu keys yet.
18:30:22lostlogicamiconn: yes
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18:30:48lostlogicbut some codecs (vorbis at least) don't know exactly where they need to go, so they seek 'close' and then correct, which can mean seeking further back.
18:31:12kkurbjunlinuxstb_, I was going to commit definable menu keys eventually, that could make your life easier for that, but I'm not sure if it's really worth it, I can't see the end user wanting to change dooms menu keys around
18:31:16amiconnBad seeking support...
18:32:14amiconnWell mp3 (vbr) also has bad seeking support in that you can't get an exact position in time, but at least you don't need to go backwards
18:32:45lostlogicanywho, my real question is whether we want to overwrite the buffer on a fill up to the ass of the playing track, or do we want to truncate the playing track only once for a buffer fill, and never fill the whole ring buffer?
18:33:07lostlogic(of course this question is of secondary importance to fixing whatever I broke with track tracking consistency)
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18:34:15amiconnI don't get what you mean...
18:34:18lostlogicHmm, probably need a seek-back mode where a back seek in a track prevents _this_ buffer fill from following up the playing audio closely.
18:34:42lostlogicon the ring buffer, during a buffer fill from disk, we can either take a fixed 'target' point to fill to, or fill up to the currently playing audio.
18:34:43kkurbjunlinuxstb_, did you try 22.05k in doom?
18:34:48linuxstb_Are you talking about the part of the buffer which is emptied whilst the buffer is being filled?
18:34:55lostlogiclinuxstb_: right
18:35:05linuxstb_kkurbjun: No - just 44.1KHz.
18:35:49amiconnI would think that a regular rebuffer event should always fill up as much as possible, i.e. up to the back of the currently playing audio
18:36:08lostlogicbut a seek back-triggered one should not, yah.
18:36:23kkurbjunwell I can add in an ifdef for the ipods if it works fine on them, it's too slow on the H300 at least and I don't see the benefit as doom's samples are at 11k
18:36:31amiconnHowever, a rebuffer event triggered by seeking or skipping should perhaps behave like a first-buffer event?
18:36:49lostlogiccan do
18:37:28amiconn...i.e. buffer one track, a maximum of 8MB (?), and a minimum of 1 minute worth of audio
18:38:01amiconn(or a physical size defined minimum)
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18:38:31amiconnThe minimum requirement is just in case there are really short tracks
18:39:02amiconnA CD track can be as short as 4 seconds....
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18:39:10lostlogicyeah, I haven't implemented minimum yet, can probably use the conf_watermark as the minimum.
18:39:18amiconnah, yes
18:39:27lostlogicbasically fill up at least as much as would trigger an immediate buffer any way
18:39:33linuxstb_Shouldn't that use the bitrate of the track in some way?
18:39:40lostlogiclinuxstb_: not today.
18:40:19amiconnlostlogic: Yeah, but the immediate rebuffer then won't behave like an initial buffering
18:40:39lostlogicamiconn: double the watermark?
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18:45:33amiconnHow large is the watermark?
18:45:45lostlogicdefaults to 512k
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18:52:11GargamaleIs there a way to make rockbox autoload a cfg
18:52:15GargamaleLike a default one
18:55:27muesli__just save your current config and it loads that one next time
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18:57:40Gargamalemuesli__: I want rockbox toload it
18:57:51muesli__of course
18:57:59muesli__thats what it does
18:58:08GargamaleAt bootup?
18:58:14LearCan't autoload a .cfg at the moment, but all settings are preserved anyway.
18:58:28GargamaleLear: Thanks
18:58:48GargamaleLear: Sometimes mine reverts to default settings
18:58:55GargamaleFor no apparent reason
18:59:22LearAfter updating to a newer build? Or just when starting it one day?
18:59:59GargamaleI prolly didnt shutdown right, I plugged into my computer after making changes, I probably should have held play down, eh?
19:00:42crashdwhat system you on Gargamale ?
19:00:44crashdplatform, rather
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19:04:29*lostlogic installs a build with smarter buffering. Sadly still don't know what's causing the remaining bugs with wraping and/or filling causing the buffer to be wrongly pointed.
19:05:25crashdGargamale: if you plug in without saving, or unplug it from usb with the hold on
19:05:30crashdespecially the later, it'll wipe your settings
19:05:34crashdso make sure you dont ;)
19:05:38GargamaleAh hah
19:05:43GargamaleThink thats what I did
19:05:52GargamaleDidnt shutdown, went to USB
19:05:58GargamaleThanks for the heads up
19:06:11crashdi do it all the time ;\
19:06:12Mikachuyou'll want to go to manage settings and write .cfg when you have some good settings
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19:06:46GargamaleMikachu: : Did that, thanks
19:06:46amiconnipod rockbox should save settings before switching to USB. It's a bug that it doesn't do so
19:07:02GargamaleBUG SQUASH
19:07:04GargamaleHULK SMASH
19:08:48lostlogicSlasheri: if you happen to get bored and look at what would cause the WPS vs. playing track to get confused and lead to general badness on subsequent track changes, it would be very much appreciated.
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19:09:37GargamaleSo... here's something thatll make the devs go screaming at me... rockbox needs graphic vis.
19:11:33Mikachuor possibly they will just ignore it
19:11:49Mikachuthere is already oscilloscope
19:11:52lostlogicGargamale: write it :-P
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19:13:04GargamaleMilkdrop/Geiss support, here we come
19:13:11GargamaleLet me get right on that
19:13:15GargamaleDoubt its even possible
19:13:40GargamaleGPU prolly cant even do it
19:13:47Mikachuum, daps don't have a gpu
19:14:06Mikachuthe cpu draws everything per pixel
19:15:07GargamaleMeaning its prolly even less possible
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19:18:16Kohlrabiwhich reminds me I should check for visualization plugibs for f2k0.9
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19:21:23lostlogicI love abusing build servers and revision numbers with comment-only commits.
19:21:28lostlogic::shifty eyes::
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19:34:56Mikachulostlogic: if i seek to the end of the song, it just restarts instead of going to the next
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19:35:15Angel_of_Deathdo u have repeat1 set to "on"
19:35:35Angel_of_Deathare u sure
19:35:36lostlogicMikachu: that's because it doesn't like you.
19:35:55lostlogicMikachu: post it on my wiki page... diong paying work ATM
19:36:56Angel_of_Deathi got doom2 (not freedoom) WAD and ultimate doom wad if any1 wants em
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19:37:23Angel_of_Deathdoom2 replaces freedoom wad, and ultimate doom doesnt replace it as a base, but if u wanna play doom the full version u play it
19:37:52GargamaleIs Doom even playable?
19:38:00MikachuGargamale: i get 28 fps
19:38:12MikachuAngel_of_Death: and that's not a smart offer to make in a public logged channel
19:38:27Angel_of_Deathwhys that mik
19:38:56Mikachua little thing called copyright
19:39:17Angel_of_Deaththey don't care anymore
19:39:30Angel_of_Deathim surpirsed there not providing a download on there page like rockstar does
19:39:31Mikachuactually copyrights are valid 70 years after the copyright holder's death
19:39:47Mikachuyou can still buy wolfenstein3d on for $15
19:39:48Angel_of_Deathi didn't say they couldn't
19:39:50kkurbjunAngel_of_Death, ID still sells doom
19:40:05Angel_of_Deathwell, im not worried
19:40:30Angel_of_Deathi think if they would be going after anything it would be shutting down BT sites
19:40:31kkurbjuneither way this channel isn't meant for trading pirate copies
19:40:54Mikachubt sites are perfectly legal
19:41:11Angel_of_Deathyes, i relize that
19:41:25Angel_of_Deathbut thru them u can still get movies, games, shows
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19:57:44GargamaleNice nick
19:58:36scottder_hey all, is there a known issue with playing aac files?
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19:58:55GargamaleDoes AAC have DRM?
19:58:55linuxstb_Yes - the decoder is _very_ slow.
19:59:03scottderNo DRM
19:59:04GargamaleThere is a known issue with DRM'd files
19:59:21scottdernot is however VBR
19:59:25linuxstb_It also can't handle all types of encoders. I think Nero-encoded files aren't parsed properly.
19:59:32GargamaleMy VBR MP3s work fine
19:59:34scottderthis wsa itunes
19:59:36RandomDudeMPC do they work on the X5 now?
19:59:58linuxstb_scottder: What is your problem?
20:00:09neffFollow up mesage for lostlogic (if he checks logs)
20:00:09neffI'm still having problems with my H140 hanging again today the actions were
20:00:09neff1. Plug into car charger
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20:00:09neff2. Turn on
20:00:09neff3. Select my car theme
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20:00:09neff4. navigate tree and select a track
20:00:11neff5. WPS shows but no sound - timer stays at 0:00
20:00:13neff6. No response from keys - even 10sec stop to re-set
20:00:15neffWould low disc space do that? I have 450Mb left from 4Gb disc.
20:00:52scottderstar playing and I get "Data abort 4000C004"
20:01:00scottderthis is on a 4gb Nano
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20:02:36linuxstb_scottder: Has this just started today, or has it happened with older versions of Rockbox? Is it every AAC, or just one?
20:02:51scottderit was happening with an older version (from the 31st)
20:03:00scottderI switched to the lateat daily build
20:03:02scottdersame thing
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20:05:25scottderthey did work for me when I first tried rockbox I know that
20:05:33scottderbut I don't remember the build I used then
20:05:50linuxstb_So you get this problem with all your AAC files?
20:06:05scottderlooks like it
20:06:11scottderI just tried a CBR AAC file
20:06:15scottdersame error
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20:07:57scottderogg mp3s play fine
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20:10:19scottdergotta run and get ready for work...
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20:13:30linuxstbCan you make a file available to me for testing? I've just tried my only AAC file, and it works fine on my ipod.
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20:19:10kkurbjunI've added a new version of my midi patch to the tracker for anyone interested (XavierGr). It's still not full speed on some files though. This version also leaves midi2wav alone and makes midiplay.
20:19:23Mikachudo you need 3rd party patches?
20:19:28Mikachuand by patches i mean sounds
20:19:48kkurbjunyes, it still uses the patches from midi2wav
20:19:53kkurbjunthere's a link on the tracker
20:19:58Mikachulazy :)
20:20:13kkurbjunI don't think the player will sound right on ipods right now though
20:20:22kkurbjunas it's similar code to doom
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20:21:15linuxstb_kkurbjun: Does Doom sound correct on the H300? How is the resampling to 44.1KHz handled?
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20:24:00XavierGrkkbjurn: Great stuff. Is there a chance to commit them?
20:24:10kkurbjunlinuxstb_, yes it sounds correct on the H300, the resampling is handled in i_sound.c mostly under updatesoundparams. it just changes the stepping for different sample rates
20:24:54kkurbjunXavierGr, I don't know how the rest of the team feels committing it as it's technically a new feature altough an ignored one
20:25:39XavierGrbut midi has partial support on todays builds
20:25:54XavierGrso making better isn't a new feature
20:25:58linuxstb_kkurbjun: I'm curious why the sound on the ipod is playing too fast. It only plays at the correct speed when I change SAMPLERATE in i_sound.c to 44100
20:26:03XavierGrbut yeah you should ask the devs
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20:26:42kkurbjunlinuxstb_, since the sound is fine on the H300's I was wondering if the sampling wasn't being taken into account when rb->pcm_set_frequency is called
20:27:00XavierGrAlthough, IMHO, introducing a new audio format for the upcoming release (and optimized) would be sweet.
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20:27:08*amiconn now added some magic that reduces ticking on H1x0 even with 'reduce ticking' disabled, and makes 'reduce ticking' work better while allowing faster remote lcd updates
20:27:21XavierGramiconn: really?
20:27:28kkurbjunbecause it sounds like that call isn't doing anything on the ipods
20:27:41midkayhey XavierGr you created the VMware image, right?
20:27:45linuxstb_kkurbjun: Just to clarify, on the H300, i_sound.c is outputting sound at 11.025KHz?
20:27:59amiconnXavierGr: I'd like you to test this stuff. It'll be ready soon
20:28:07XavierGrof course.
20:28:11midkay(works very well by the way) - how did you get that huge rockbox logo? :)
20:28:17muesli__amiconn had some lessons in defense of the dark arts?
20:28:20linuxstb_kkurbjun: OK, then there must be something wrong with pcm_set_frequency(), as you suggest.
20:28:26XavierGrmidkay: from the manual
20:28:33XavierGrmidkay: and thanks :)
20:28:34Mikachukkurbjun: should it be a viewer, rocks or codec?
20:28:35GargamaleDark Arts?
20:28:42midkayXavierGr, oh, interesting, thx :)
20:28:47kkurbjunlinuxstb_, what do you think about committing a patch on the midi player?
20:29:24kkurbjunMikachu, I fogot to mention that midiplay.rock should replace midi2wav.rock in viewers.config
20:29:25amiconnNo, had some thoughts about doing lcd accesses in byte blocks with intermediate silence instead of stretching all bits, and also keep the data line at the same level when not accessing the lcd
20:29:41Mikachukkurbjun: okay
20:29:57muesli__amiconn dumbledore will appreciate it ;-)
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20:30:12amiconnBefore, the data line was left at whatever level the last bit had
20:30:35amiconnNow I force it high at the end of a byte, that's the opposite of the idle level of CLK
20:30:44muesli__kkurbjun that means music is now possible in doom?
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20:32:04kkurbjunmuesli__, not yet, the midi player still needs some speed improvement and the mus2midi code needs to be added back to doom which I don't think I'll do till after rb 3.0
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20:32:29muesli__mk :-)
20:33:16linuxstb_kkurbjun: It would be nice to commit it, but we are in a feature freeze, and a midi player probably counts as a new feature...
20:33:42Mikachukkurbjun: wow you print a lot of text :)
20:33:55muesli__btw when is the deadline for the freeze?
20:33:56XavierGrah midiplayer... I thought it just played midi like the previous one
20:34:01XavierGr1 may
20:34:09XavierGrbut maybe it will be further
20:34:10kkurbjunthat's kindof what I figured, do you think that committing changes to the midi core that don't affect midi2wav is alright though?
20:34:47kkurbjunI'll just leave out midiplay.c
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20:35:25kkurbjunMikachu, yeah, the old code had all those printf's in it
20:35:37kkurbjunMikachu, what are you running it on?
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20:36:53Mikachuipod nano
20:37:17kkurbjunI'm guessing it sounds distorted correct?
20:37:23Mikachunot getting any sound just yet
20:38:05Mikachuah, there we go
20:38:18linuxstb_Does anyone here understand the uda1380 playback code? I'm confused about why the pcm_set_frequency() function in pcm_playback.c appears to be accepting samplerates other than 44.1KHz.
20:38:22Mikachuplayed at double pitch or so for a few seconds then crashed
20:38:47Mikachuyou even managed to crash so much that the wheel doesn't enable backlight
20:39:25kkurbjunMikachu, yep, what I expected for now, gotta go though.. I think there's some buffer overruns going on in the midi code right now which I need to look into
20:39:49Mikachunow you know :)
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20:43:11RedBreva \opt{RECORDER_PAD}{\ButtonPlay}
20:43:11RedBreva \opt{IRIVER_H100_PAD,IRIVER_H300_PAD}{\ButtonPlay + \ButtonLeft}
20:43:11RedBreva \opt{AUDIO_X5_PAD,IPOD_4G_PAD}{\fixme{TBD}}
20:43:12DBUGEnqueued KICK RedBreva
20:43:12RedBreva \opt{ONDIO_PAD}{Hold \ButtomLeft} %
20:43:20michaelconneri've got a 4g color ipod −− d/l'd a CVS build about an hour ago. lots of playback skips w/vbr MP3's (as in, several per song)
20:43:35RedBrevaWrong Clipboard!