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| 00:29:01 | Kaorte | howdy howdy |
| 00:29:29 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 00:30:03 | Kaorte | okay then... |
| 00:30:23 | sharpe | hello? |
| 00:30:26 | sharpe | :D |
| 00:30:29 | Kaorte | hiya |
| 00:30:59 | Kaorte | i just figured i might give this rockbox bit a shot...but im quite afraid of potential consequences |
| 00:31:14 | Mikachu | what player do you have? |
| 00:31:30 | Kaorte | ipod 5G (the video one) |
| 00:31:36 | sharpe | very little consequences :) |
| 00:31:38 | Mikachu | then there is pretty much no risk involved |
| 00:31:59 | Kaorte | thats good to know |
| 00:32:09 | TeaSea | Yeah, from the time I heard about rockbox (Back when I had a H320 and you guys just started the H1xx port), to now, it seems like the whole risk involved has dropped incredibly much. |
| 00:32:18 | Kaorte | i do have a 2 year warranty that pretty much covers it getting run over by a car and sending then the peices |
| 00:32:26 | Mikachu | ipods have a builtin restore mode, hold select+menu then immediately select+left |
| 00:32:31 | Mikachu | hm, i lie |
| 00:32:34 | Mikachu | it's another combination |
| 00:32:36 | sharpe | lol |
| 00:32:39 | Mikachu | but anyway you can restore from there |
| 00:32:40 | Kaorte | yeah i know them...well, i did |
| 00:32:43 | Mikachu | select+left is diagnostic mode |
| 00:32:51 | Kaorte | this is my 3rd ipod, they die rather fast |
| 00:33:00 | Galois | how do they die?? |
| 00:33:01 | Mikachu | heh what do you do with them, rich kid? |
| 00:33:06 | TeaSea | I have an iAudio X5, and the risk involved in flashing the bootloader is practically none. |
| 00:33:08 | Kaorte | i have warranties |
| 00:33:11 | Kaorte | ive only payed for one |
| 00:33:12 | Galois | menu+select, select+play |
| 00:33:13 | Galois | I think |
| 00:33:15 | Mikachu | ah heh |
| 00:33:23 | sharpe | select and play is disk mode... |
| 00:33:24 | TeaSea | Kaorte: Ever considered getting another DAP then? :D |
| 00:33:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Select+Play for disk mode. |
| 00:33:31 | Kaorte | a whowha? |
| 00:33:34 | Mikachu | good to know |
| 00:33:37 | Kaorte | (im a bit of a newb...) |
| 00:33:41 | Mikachu | digital audio player |
| 00:33:51 | sharpe | also known as, target |
| 00:33:52 | Kaorte | ...i had a creative zen touch |
| 00:33:56 | Galois | really, how did it die? hard drive? |
| 00:33:57 | Kaorte | and that died |
| 00:34:05 | sharpe | my friend wants a port of rockbox to his zen... |
| 00:34:10 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 00:34:11 | Kaorte | my first ipod..i dropped it, and it just stopped playing music |
| 00:34:11 | TeaSea | Kaorte: Yes but the zen touch is rubbish imo :) |
| 00:34:21 | Kaorte | indeed, i found that out the hard way |
| 00:34:36 | Kaorte | my second ipod...just plain died..wouldnt turn on...i cried. |
| 00:34:51 | Kaorte | i think that it may be passover time |
| 00:34:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm personally rather annoyed that almost all new HD players use some variation of touch-sensitive input. I like BUTTONS. |
| 00:35:02 | Mikachu | well if you drop a hard disk while it's spinning, they die |
| 00:35:05 | Galois | kaorte the anandtech guys had to throw an ipod nano into the air 40 ft before it stopped playing music |
| 00:35:07 | Kaorte | yeah...XD |
| 00:35:08 | sharpe | i like touch sensitive things... |
| 00:35:13 | sharpe | er. |
| 00:35:14 | * | scottder hugs his Nano |
| 00:35:20 | Kaorte | nano's are flash though |
| 00:35:26 | sharpe | whatever, i mean. |
| 00:35:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nanos are very flash. |
| 00:35:32 | Kaorte | and hold virtually no music |
| 00:35:32 | TeaSea | Mikachu: Thankfully that ain't often for me. The X5 is hard as nails. I've dropped it about five times accidentally. |
| 00:35:33 | TeaSea | And nothing. |
| 00:35:34 | sharpe | so flash, they're light. |
| 00:35:36 | scottder | ./topic #rockbox < sharpe> i like touch sensitive things... |
| 00:35:36 | scottder | :) |
| 00:35:41 | sharpe | damn you. |
| 00:35:51 | sharpe | heh... |
| 00:35:53 | Kaorte | i feel as though i am going to break a nano when i hold it |
| 00:35:54 | sharpe | ooh |
| 00:36:03 | Kaorte | i feel like it will just snap between my fingers XD |
| 00:36:04 | TeaSea | Kaorte: Yeah nanos feel really damn fragile :D |
| 00:36:06 | scottder | I have a aluminum case on mine |
| 00:36:07 | sharpe | i've an idea for hdd based players! |
| 00:36:11 | scottder | dropped it a bunch of times |
| 00:36:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kaorte: Greater than 800 songs isn't "virtually no" music if you're acquiring them legally. I mean that's $800 on iTunes right there. |
| 00:36:13 | sharpe | wait |
| 00:36:16 | sharpe | nevermind |
| 00:36:18 | scottder | and still kicking along fine |
| 00:36:21 | Kaorte | thats why i like the big video..which is also rather small |
| 00:36:21 | TeaSea | Seriously, the X5 is the most sturdily built, yet slim DAP i've ever seen. |
| 00:36:34 | Galois | apple claims 4GB nanos can hold 1000 songs. I'm personally aiming to put 3000 songs on it. |
| 00:36:39 | Kaorte | passover time |
| 00:36:42 | Galois | with rockbox, of course |
| 00:36:48 | TeaSea | passover time? |
| 00:36:48 | sharpe | encode them to 32kbps. |
| 00:36:50 | Kaorte | i shall be back in about an hour...stupid religeon |
| 00:36:54 | TeaSea | Ahh I see. |
| 00:36:58 | TeaSea | Have fun! |
| 00:37:03 | sharpe | fun fun religions |
| 00:37:11 | scottder | I am pretty happy with Q3 Vorbis on my Nano :) |
| 00:37:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: I have 860 with Rockbox. Mostly ogg-vorbis format at Q5 if I recall, plus various MP3s at widely varying bitrates because OCRemixes has no real quality standard. |
| 00:37:32 | Galois | 40-48kbps is "good enough", although I resort to using 64kbps on some songs |
| 00:37:33 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: they're as close to 6MB as possible :) |
| 00:37:34 | sharpe | for some reason, i just don't like ogg-vorbis... |
| 00:38:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Or less. Some of the ones I've got are like a minute thirty, and 64kbps. |
| 00:38:22 | goffa_ | hey Paul_The_Nerd ... did you figure out your x5 thing earlier? |
| 00:38:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Well, whatever reason it is, it's a stupid one. :-P |
| 00:39:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Well, the person in the forum discovered that the behaviour doesn't persist in the most recent build after I said "It doesn't happen on my H120, are you running the newest build?" so there's nothing to check at the moment |
| 00:39:05 | Mikachu | my ocremix dir has a spike at just under 6M i suspect |
| 00:39:12 | goffa_ | ah.. ok |
| 00:39:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone was having the CPU boost and stay boosted after running the Marquis plugin (which I don't believe boosts at all...) |
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| 00:39:30 | sharpe | yeah, it really is a stupid reason, but still. |
| 00:39:57 | sharpe | it's the only thing that keeps me from using ogg-vorbis :D |
| 00:39:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: They need to bloody hit the 1500 songs mark so they can do another torrent of 250. |
| 00:40:03 | Mikachu | heh |
| 00:40:17 | Mikachu | i don't torrent them |
| 00:41:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like the official torrents. Makes it easier for me, at least |
| 00:41:35 | Mikachu | i just download the ones by remixers i know are usually good and games i've played |
| 00:41:39 | sharpe | gah, sometimes i think i'm dyslexic. |
| 00:42:05 | sharpe | more often recently than in the past |
| 00:42:24 | goffa_ | torrent of 250? who, what? |
| 00:42:28 | goffa_ | i must have missed something |
| 00:42:36 | Mikachu | ocremix.org |
| 00:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, remixes of videogame music songs |
| 00:42:52 | goffa_ | oh yeah |
| 00:42:56 | Mikachu | there's also vgmix.com |
| 00:42:57 | goffa_ | haven't been there in like 3 years |
| 00:42:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | The first ~1250 (minus the ones removed by authors) are available in torrents. |
| 00:43:06 | goffa_ | didn't know about vgmix |
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| 00:43:26 | * | scottder shows sharpe "the way" of vorbis |
| 00:43:27 | Mikachu | vgmix has more songs but on average much lower quality since anyone can post |
| 00:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'll stick with OCRemix then |
| 00:43:48 | scottder | the Lancer versions of vorbis have done really well on low bitrate |
| 00:43:53 | goffa_ | yeah... they had some good mixes way back when |
| 00:43:59 | scottder | of course right now, I am listening to a FLAC :) |
| 00:44:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oddly enough so am I. |
| 00:45:51 | goffa_ | heh... not sure what i'm listening to |
| 00:46:03 | goffa_ | looks like mp3 |
| 00:46:06 | sharpe | i'm listening to music. bastards. |
| 00:46:40 | goffa_ | mpc now |
| 00:49:57 | * | goffa_ is thinking about renting a movie... wondering what new releases are good.. since thats all the video store hs |
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| 00:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Agh |
| 00:53:26 | sharpe | problem paul? |
| 00:53:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone needs to say something in the forum so I can respond with my 1337'th post |
| 00:53:39 | goffa_ | ha ha ha |
| 00:53:41 | sharpe | lol |
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| 00:54:03 | Kyomi | Does anyone know anything about the text-editor? |
| 00:54:20 | sharpe | yeah, it edits text :D |
| 00:54:38 | goffa_ | LOL!! WTF!! a43 U g01ng to be 1337 wh3n U p0st? |
| 00:54:45 | * | goffa_ apologizes |
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| 00:55:09 | goffa_ | should have used 2 b |
| 00:55:19 | * | goffa_ isn't 1337 enough |
| 00:55:27 | sharpe | i'm just... |
| 00:55:31 | sharpe | a number. |
| 00:55:43 | Kyomi | Nah... |
| 00:55:52 | Kyomi | Alright then |
| 00:55:57 | goffa_ | my liscence plate was randomly chosen... it was 1037.. i'll admit i was dissapointed |
| 00:56:02 | Kyomi | Why doesn't it allow you to put in : or ; ? |
| 00:56:14 | sharpe | no idea? |
| 00:56:29 | Kyomi | It doesn't even appear in the type thing in the top |
| 00:57:03 | Kyomi | And why when I edit a wps in that (I took out a > to fix something in the one I was using) it like.. COMPLETELY screws it up? |
| 00:58:24 | sharpe | unhelpful response : "it doesn't like you?" helpful response, "I'm not very sure about that, I've not used the text editor, you may need to find one who has..." |
| 00:58:33 | * | scottder plays some vorbis files just to offend sharpe |
| 00:58:34 | scottder | :) |
| 00:58:39 | sharpe | lol |
| 00:58:45 | nudel | does the text editor cope with windows-style end-of-lines? |
| 00:58:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: The ; and : are missing from its keyboard at the moment. I think you can replace the virtual keyboard file with one of your own and have it work, but I'm not sure. |
| 00:59:11 | nudel | My WPS, at least, probably uses windows EOL chars. I didn't even think about it when I made it. |
| 00:59:28 | Galois | all the WPS's that I've seen use DOS newlines |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:46 | nudel | i wonder if it's worth worrying about the extra few bytes, or if there is a 1600 fixed-size buffer allocated and it doesn't matter unless you're tight for space |
| 01:01:12 | nudel | 16 bytes, could get a fraction of a second of audio out of that! |
| 01:01:44 | sharpe | so that's the reason playback stops on so many plugins! your wps! |
| 01:01:54 | sharpe | oh |
| 01:01:55 | sharpe | damn. |
| 01:02:21 | sharpe | just ignore me everyone, i'm incoherent right now. |
| 01:02:33 | nudel | haha :) |
| 01:04:13 | scottder | anything new on the AAC issue? |
| 01:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's probably not gonna be done for 3.0 |
| 01:05:46 | Kyomi | *demands that MIDI get done and then yells at herself because she can't code* |
| 01:06:05 | sharpe | kyomi, have you seem the latest image of the c64 emulator? |
| 01:06:16 | scottder | Just odd, may try going back to an older build.... |
| 01:07:17 | sharpe | i have no signature, only a print version of my name. |
| 01:07:41 | sharpe | which really bothers me when i'm asked for my signature. |
| 01:07:47 | TeaSea | When is 3.0 due out roughly anyway? jooc. |
| 01:07:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | scottder: Either way, AAC isn't going to work consistently until someone actually makes the codec work. The fact that you had no problems with it before was more luck than anything |
| 01:08:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3.0 is on May 1st, unless something incredibly goes wrong |
| 01:08:05 | TeaSea | Awesome |
| 01:08:09 | sharpe | like, the apocalypse. |
| 01:08:22 | TeaSea | Is there a wiki entry on new features? |
| 01:08:26 | sharpe | si |
| 01:08:34 | TeaSea | Excellent. |
| 01:08:36 | sharpe | or, planned features. |
| 01:08:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 01:11:14 | TeaSea | Ah, So 3.1 is due for November. That's roundabout when I expected 3.0 out. |
| 01:11:14 | sharpe | what do i have to do...? |
| 01:11:15 | TeaSea | I can wait :) |
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| 01:11:26 | TeaSea | Also, jewels rocks :D |
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| 01:12:27 | sharpe | hah, i don't know what i did to screw up the video colors for the emulator... |
| 01:14:42 | * | Paul_The_Nerd does the 1337 dance. |
| 01:15:11 | Mikachu | next milestone: 31337 posts |
| 01:15:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 01:16:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually the next milestone is Paul.posts>=LinusN.posts resolving to true |
| 01:16:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | While maintaining the quality of all previous posts, of course |
| 01:16:49 | scottder | Paul_The_Nerd: Ok...will probably end up re-encoding some stuff to vorbis anyway |
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| 01:17:50 | Kyomi | Hmm |
| 01:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | AAC is just really poorly supported by Rockbox at the moment. There's not a great open source implementation of it, and the one we've got isn't really considered 'usable' for us yet, even though it does work in some cases |
| 01:18:13 | Gargamal1 | Should mpo3 playback skip while I scrol;l my Artists menu? |
| 01:18:18 | Gargamal1 | mp3 |
| 01:18:19 | sharpe | yeh |
| 01:18:21 | Kyomi | Hmm |
| 01:18:29 | sharpe | well, shouldn't, but it does. |
| 01:18:33 | Kyomi | I should REALLY update my experimental build |
| 01:18:42 | Kyomi | The one I got yesterday is like... all farked up |
| 01:18:45 | sharpe | is it not experimental anymore? |
| 01:18:48 | Kyomi | The playlist shuffling |
| 01:18:55 | Kyomi | Is horribly wrong' |
| 01:19:22 | Kyomi | Then the audio wont stop/go to next song until like 1.5sec |
| 01:19:23 | Gargamal1 | sharpe: known issue then? |
| 01:19:35 | sharpe | yeppers. |
| 01:19:53 | Gargamal1 | k |
| 01:20:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:20:25 | sharpe | now, to just figure out how i screwed up the colors. |
| 01:20:53 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: congrats |
| 01:20:59 | lostlogic | I have like 5. |
| 01:21:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yes, but you do REAL work. |
| 01:21:32 | lostlogic | speaking of... it's time to get back on the attack. |
| 01:21:35 | sharpe | ooh, what does sharpe do? |
| 01:21:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamal1: It's actually an aspect of the driver we use for the scrollwheel, if I understand correctly. Generates a ton of interrupts while scrolling. |
| 01:21:54 | lostlogic | sharpe: same as I do... write fun code... |
| 01:22:12 | sharpe | yay |
| 01:22:34 | Gargamal1 | o |
| 01:22:36 | Mikachu | i don't think you can stop it from generating interrupts |
| 01:22:38 | Gargamal1 | So scrolling is gay |
| 01:22:43 | Gargamal1 | I knew that already though |
| 01:22:43 | sharpe | not really |
| 01:22:45 | Gargamal1 | Coo |
| 01:22:48 | sharpe | it doesn't have a sexual preference |
| 01:23:05 | sharpe | doesn't live an 'alternate lifestyle' either |
| 01:23:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: There was talk of using a polling method instead, but this is stuff outside of my knowledge so I'm not aware how that would improve/change things necessarily |
| 01:23:28 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: i guess that'd stop it going crazy |
| 01:23:37 | crashd | as you poll when you need it, rather than the driver creating all these interrupts |
| 01:23:50 | Mikachu | the hardware creates the interrupts... |
| 01:24:02 | crashd | yeah, i didnt mean it like that Mikachu |
| 01:25:12 | obo | Mikachu: feeling brave? |
| 01:26:07 | Mikachu | hm, i'm not sure |
| 01:26:41 | obo | http://pastebin.com/656729 - hear the interrupts :) |
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| 01:27:52 | Mikachu | been there done that :) |
| 01:27:58 | Mikachu | but i didn't make a new thread for it |
| 01:28:19 | obo | heh, was a good learning exercise for me anyway |
| 01:28:43 | Mikachu | i'm sure that will come in handy when implementing beeping for menus |
| 01:28:51 | Mikachu | you should put it on the tracker i think |
| 01:29:58 | obo | fair enough - will do |
| 01:30:49 | Kaorte | i am back |
| 01:30:54 | Kaorte | after painful seder |
| 01:31:11 | TeaSea | Damnit, lost at Jewels. |
| 01:31:24 | Mikachu | you can't win |
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| 01:31:29 | TeaSea | I know |
| 01:31:33 | TeaSea | But I wanted to keep going a while longer :) |
| 01:31:33 | Kaorte | que? |
| 01:31:36 | TeaSea | Got to level 5, |
| 01:32:02 | goffa_ | how do they make it harder? |
| 01:32:04 | goffa_ | more shapes? |
| 01:32:10 | TeaSea | Nope |
| 01:32:12 | goffa_ | or just meaner random? |
| 01:32:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think it gets harder. |
| 01:32:16 | goffa_ | oh ok |
| 01:32:17 | Kaorte | does someone want to explain to me how rockbox works, how to install, etc...maybe in a slightly condensed version? |
| 01:32:17 | Mikachu | simple statistics |
| 01:32:19 | goffa_ | luck of the draw |
| 01:32:25 | Mikachu | Kaorte: rockbox.org |
| 01:32:30 | TeaSea | :D |
| 01:32:33 | Kaorte | been there |
| 01:32:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kaorte: Explaining how it works is a LONG and COMPLICATED process. |
| 01:32:40 | Kaorte | its just confusing X_X |
| 01:32:42 | Kaorte | oye oye |
| 01:32:48 | Kaorte | well, i guess i shall be reading then |
| 01:32:50 | Kaorte | im off! |
| 01:32:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kaorte: What part of the installation page confused you? Which target do you have? |
| 01:32:51 | goffa_ | nah |
| 01:32:51 | sharpe | well, that must be why the colors are messed up... |
| 01:32:56 | goffa_ | rockbox is easy to explain |
| 01:32:58 | goffa_ | PFM |
| 01:33:03 | goffa_ | :) |
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| 01:33:08 | Kaorte | i will try to figure it out before i come bother all of you |
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| 01:33:42 | Galois | Karote, on windows, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation is pretty much all you need to instal it |
| 01:33:48 | Galois | +l |
| 01:35:26 | | Part obo |
| 01:37:05 | scottder | It works by the powers of necromancy and nanotechnology |
| 01:37:06 | scottder | :) |
| 01:37:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1701 <−−- Okay, it actually says "leet" |
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| 01:41:01 | Kaorte | hey, one more quick question |
| 01:41:13 | Kaorte | are there any cons about rockbox that anyone can think of? |
| 01:41:30 | sharpe | no videos, would be most everyone's. |
| 01:41:35 | sharpe | er, support for as of yet |
| 01:41:38 | Mikachu | shorter battery life |
| 01:41:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't play video. Occasionally there are bugs, though they get fixed rapidly. The battery life may not be as good as you're used to *yet* |
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| 01:42:08 | Kaorte | oh boo...no video.. |
| 01:42:17 | Galois | given that you can still run the apple firmware even after installing rockbox, I'd say the cons are minimal |
| 01:42:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can always reboot into the Apple Firmware though |
| 01:42:25 | Kaorte | yeah |
| 01:42:29 | Kaorte | i watch videos alot though |
| 01:42:30 | sharpe | well, i've discovered, atoi does not handle hex numbers correctly. |
| 01:42:37 | sharpe | not like it should |
| 01:42:42 | Kaorte | hmm |
| 01:42:43 | sharpe | but still |
| 01:42:46 | sharpe | grr. |
| 01:42:50 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 01:42:51 | goffa_ | big con: you get sucked into it |
| 01:42:57 | Kaorte | im still thinking about it |
| 01:43:00 | goffa_ | and you wind up lurking around the site and channel |
| 01:43:01 | goffa_ | :) |
| 01:43:06 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 01:43:12 | goffa_ | like all the time |
| 01:43:16 | sharpe | and you end up coding for it |
| 01:43:18 | Kaorte | i need the videos for next week though, im going to italy, and my and my friend are going to watch a movie on my ipod XD |
| 01:43:20 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: don't lie. We don't fix bugs, we just call them features here! |
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| 01:43:38 | Mikachu | sharpe: try strtol |
| 01:43:39 | sharpe | unexpected features. |
| 01:43:45 | Mikachu | sharpe: it has an argument base |
| 01:43:45 | sharpe | thanks. |
| 01:43:46 | lostlogic | the beset kind |
| 01:43:49 | lostlogic | they are cheap. |
| 01:44:19 | Kaorte | what games can you put on it? |
| 01:44:27 | Kaorte | pardon the newbish questions |
| 01:44:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It comes with several plugins. |
| 01:44:43 | Kaorte | im just a big step mania fan.. |
| 01:44:48 | Mikachu | i don't think there are any games currently that aren't included |
| 01:44:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also has the ability to play Doom if you have commercial .wads for it, gameboy and gameboy color games, and the MAME Pacman rom |
| 01:45:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone could probably port stepmania if they felt like it, but nobody has. |
| 01:45:12 | Kaorte | :( |
| 01:45:25 | Kaorte | i got a papercut |
| 01:46:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is Not Rockbox's Fault(tm) |
| 01:46:38 | goffa_ | Kaorte: sue rockbox... mental anguish |
| 01:46:43 | goffa_ | trauma |
| 01:46:43 | Kaorte | probably not...its a comic books fault |
| 01:46:47 | goffa_ | oh wait |
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| 01:46:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh |
| 01:47:03 | Kaorte | JTHM cut me :( |
| 01:47:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah |
| 01:47:12 | Kaorte | ? |
| 01:47:28 | goffa_ | well when you play with a homicidal maniac |
| 01:47:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is not written by Warren Ellis, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Brian Michael Bendis, Garth Ennis, or Mark Millar. |
| 01:47:31 | goffa_ | what do you expect? |
| 01:47:55 | goffa_ | i had that in electronic format |
| 01:48:02 | goffa_ | safer that way ;) |
| 01:48:03 | Kaorte | i have sandman on my desk, that is next up |
| 01:48:16 | Kaorte | i get to read comics for english class! |
| 01:48:22 | Kaorte | *shutting up* |
| 01:48:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 01:49:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Sandman almost qualifies as Modern Literature anyway. It's just going to take a while before anyone admits literature has picture |
| 01:49:13 | Kaorte | i feel bad that i am not talking about the rockbox thing anymore, i get distracted easily |
| 01:49:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | pictures |
| 01:49:46 | sharpe | shiny object! |
| 01:49:49 | Kaorte | ive been doing my math homeowkr for 4 hours...and so far...ive written my name, and the date |
| 01:49:53 | goffa_ | can't talk about rockbox ALL day |
| 01:49:58 | goffa_ | just 80% of it |
| 01:50:03 | Kaorte | and there has now been a decline in my typing skills |
| 01:50:12 | sharpe | eh, you get used to it. |
| 01:50:19 | Kaorte | indeed |
| 01:50:19 | sharpe | eventually comes back to you |
| 01:50:31 | sharpe | unless you seem like you're becoming dyslexic. |
| 01:50:44 | Kaorte | my spring break starts tomorrow, so i pretty much have no motivation |
| 01:50:49 | sharpe | same. |
| 01:50:57 | Kaorte | sometimes i write words backwards... |
| 01:51:08 | sharpe | had a sub that did that. |
| 01:51:31 | Kaorte | yikes! |
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| 01:53:57 | goffa_ | umop apisdn w'! aw plah |
| 01:54:17 | Kaorte | ...lovely? |
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| 01:54:22 | goffa_ | i screwed that up |
| 01:54:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Help me, I'm upside down" |
| 01:54:31 | sharpe | mmhmm |
| 01:54:32 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 01:54:37 | goffa_ | supposed to be capital H |
| 01:54:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the p and h are slightly problematic, yes |
| 01:55:00 | TeaSea | BTW, is there no "backspace" key for the keyboard stuff on the X5 yet? |
| 01:55:30 | Mikachu | go outside the text area and press |
| 01:55:39 | goffa_ | bbl... going to go ride my bike.. its like 70 out there.. heat wave :) |
| 01:55:41 | Mikachu | might work |
| 01:56:32 | Kaorte | whoah, the upsidown thing is funny! |
| 01:57:10 | Kaorte | yeah, its been warm here too lately |
| 01:57:53 | TeaSea | Mikachu: I can't go outside the text area unfortunately. |
| 01:58:32 | Mikachu | okay |
| 01:58:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hitting down until you're in the filename field doesn't work? |
| 01:58:50 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thought that was how you do it. |
| 01:59:04 | Mikachu | you can't go outside if there's a delete button defined i think |
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| 02:00:20 | TeaSea | Oh wow you can |
| 02:00:24 | TeaSea | ... why did this never happen before? |
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| 02:05:57 | sharpe | hmm |
| 02:06:02 | sharpe | i fixed the color problem |
| 02:06:11 | Kaorte | ? |
| 02:06:17 | sharpe | c64 emulator |
| 02:06:26 | sharpe | now works with a configuration file |
| 02:06:31 | TeaSea | C64 emulator for rockbox? :O |
| 02:06:37 | Mikachu | what kind of stuff did c64 have? |
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| 02:06:42 | sharpe | yeah, for rockbox. |
| 02:06:45 | TeaSea | I have only two words for you Mikachu. |
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| 02:06:48 | sharpe | mostly, games... |
| 02:06:49 | TeaSea | MAGICLAND DIZZY! :) |
| 02:06:54 | Mikachu | heh |
| 02:06:55 | sharpe | why, that's bold |
| 02:07:04 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Mikachu |
| 02:07:04 | Mikachu | and this is color |
| 02:07:05 | TeaSea | He was a bold egg. |
| 02:07:08 | sharpe | wait, wait, that's a bold statement. |
| 02:07:10 | TeaSea | In a brave adventure. |
| 02:07:13 | sharpe | *harhar*! |
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| 02:08:33 | sharpe | okay, what to add next to the emulator? |
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| 02:10:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Whatever is necessary for me to play this: http://www.lemon64.com/reviews/view.php?id=633 |
| 02:10:21 | sharpe | :'( |
| 02:10:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
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| 02:14:46 | sharpe | what keypress should be used for switching between keyboard and joystick mode? |
| 02:17:27 | goffa_ | <- out of shape |
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| 02:59:16 | Kaorte | its awfully quiet....and im burning incense |
| 02:59:25 | sharpe | ... |
| 02:59:31 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:59:31 | * | Mikachu takes notes |
| 02:59:43 | Kaorte | and listning to loud shiina ringo |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:05 | sharpe | i may get to work on my paper. |
| 03:00:16 | Kaorte | that might be a good idea |
| 03:00:25 | sharpe | mmhmm |
| 03:00:26 | Kaorte | paper for what, if i may ask |
| 03:00:29 | sharpe | englsih |
| 03:00:32 | sharpe | ... |
| 03:00:43 | sharpe | classic typo pertaining to current question. |
| 03:00:49 | Kaorte | aah, high school? or not..? |
| 03:00:51 | sharpe | aye |
| 03:00:58 | Kaorte | gotcha |
| 03:01:00 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:01:23 | Kaorte | i usually suck at english, but this year i have like a 106%...last year i had a 60%...so its a bit of a leap |
| 03:01:27 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:01:49 | Kaorte | yesh |
| 03:02:05 | sharpe | last year the first half of the semester i had a ~72% in civics... the second half, i had a 98% or so |
| 03:02:10 | Kaorte | do you know if they are planning to mack rockbox compatable with videos and such? |
| 03:02:13 | Kaorte | (yikes!) |
| 03:02:29 | sharpe | eventually i'd imagine, but it's not very important at the moment |
| 03:02:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Video requires a LOT of work, and probably will come from somebody outside the core group doing it. |
| 03:02:40 | Kaorte | ah |
| 03:02:48 | sharpe | yeah, after the first semester the 70 was changed to a 90 |
| 03:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, eventually one of the core devs might do it, but there's still so incredibly much audio related to be done, that I think it's unlikely in a reasonable time frame. |
| 03:03:12 | Kaorte | yeah, im not expecting it to be done at light speed or anything |
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| 03:03:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | And since Rockbox is targeted as an Audio Player firmware, and not a Media Player firmware, non-audio features are unlikely to have any real priority for a while |
| 03:03:20 | Kaorte | just wondering if they were pondering it |
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| 03:03:31 | Kaorte | gotcha |
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| 03:03:34 | Kaorte | :P |
| 03:03:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | There has been an attempt or two here |
| 03:04:04 | Kaorte | ah |
| 03:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone made an MPEG-2 decoder if I recall, though it was quite slow |
| 03:04:10 | sharpe | i keep mentioning my one pixel/bit video.. |
| 03:04:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | And of course, to take advantage of the 5G's features someone needs to reverse engineer the chip |
| 03:04:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Have you looked at the rvf? |
| 03:04:34 | Kaorte | i think for now im going to stick with my normal ipod-thing |
| 03:05:00 | Kaorte | unless i just stop watching videos during spanish class... |
| 03:05:10 | sharpe | nope. |
| 03:05:38 | sharpe | but remember for my idea, the screen is either completely white, or completely black. |
| 03:05:42 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:06:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Rockbox already has a black and white, noncompressed, I think 1bpp but I'm not sure, video format that runs on the Recorders and Ondios I believe. |
| 03:06:23 | sharpe | yeah, rvf |
| 03:06:27 | Kaorte | i must depart for a short while |
| 03:06:29 | Kaorte | i shall be back soon |
| 03:06:34 | sharpe | g'bye |
| 03:07:02 | sharpe | i mean, it is a joke idea, about the one pixel or bit per screen video format... |
| 03:07:24 | Mikachu | i don't think i get the joke |
| 03:07:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | One pixel/bit is different than one bit/screen |
| 03:07:52 | sharpe | yeah, the way i've stated it has changed since i've thought of it |
| 03:07:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:09:14 | sharpe | i need to work on teh paper |
| 03:09:28 | sharpe | but the outline isn't due until next next monday |
| 03:09:29 | Mikachu | get a c64 word processor working in your emulator and write it in that |
| 03:09:59 | sharpe | oh, i kind of have video/input coexisting |
| 03:10:53 | sharpe | goes at about 15 frames per second |
| 03:11:43 | sharpe | and keyboard input is like blah, but it works |
| 03:16:30 | sharpe | and now people ignore me... |
| 03:16:34 | sharpe | heh... |
| 03:17:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm being distracted by Indiana Jones movies. |
| 03:18:08 | scottder | I finally got my wife to watch those |
| 03:18:11 | scottder | she had never seen them |
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| 03:20:29 | gursikh | Is it just me or on my h1xx the FM Radio is not outputted from the line out?... Show's how much I use FM Radio.... (not RB related I guess) |
| 03:22:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm. It should be. |
| 03:22:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe you CAN send to Headphones without sending to line out |
| 03:25:16 | sharpe | we should figure out an interfacing method to ipod peripherals :D |
| 03:25:58 | scottder | line out is the only periperal I need :) |
| 03:26:07 | sharpe | same |
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| 03:27:25 | Gargamal1 | how to boot to apple firmwaRE |
| 03:27:31 | Gargamal1 | I thought you held down menu |
| 03:27:49 | Mikachu | yes |
| 03:27:57 | Mikachu | try more |
| 03:28:13 | gursikh | Well, I'm listing to FM radio now, headphone out is working, plug into line out is static |
| 03:28:29 | gursikh | I use Line out all day (I know it's working) |
| 03:28:49 | scottder | line-out + headphone amp |
| 03:29:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamel1: Turn it off. Then tap Menu to turn it on, release, and IMMEDIATELY hold Menu |
| 03:29:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | gursikh: Try listening to normal music on line out real quick now, then. |
| 03:29:45 | sharpe | it's like whack-a-mole, but with a button instead of a mallet, and a blindfold. |
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| 03:30:37 | gursikh | Paul_The_Nerd : Music worked fine, as soon as I switch to FM radio =−− Static |
| 03:31:13 | RotAtoR | gursikh: the radio uses your headphone cable as an antenna, whichonly works with headphone out |
| 03:31:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
| 03:31:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Would it work if you had a remote plugged in, and then hooked up line out? |
| 03:31:53 | RotAtoR | probably |
| 03:32:02 | RotAtoR | try it and see :) |
| 03:32:08 | gursikh | Cool, I thought it might be something like that, since the same issue was with Stock (i said prolly not RB related) |
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| 03:32:48 | gursikh | That worked- Plug in remote and put headphones/speaker in linout −− works fine |
| 03:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:33:12 | gursikh | actually.. better reception that way.... Sweet |
| 03:33:20 | RotAtoR | haha |
| 03:34:08 | speacial_ed | So Paul, now that youve had a night to think it over... any changes in the answer? |
| 03:34:15 | speacial_ed | (I know I just cant let it go...) |
| 03:34:23 | speacial_ed | :P |
| 03:34:27 | * | Mikachu will be impressed if Paul_The_Nerd remember the question |
| 03:34:37 | speacial_ed | he should, it was a very good one |
| 03:34:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:34:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Still no. |
| 03:34:54 | speacial_ed | poop. |
| 03:34:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | My heart belongs to another |
| 03:35:05 | speacial_ed | I just cant win... |
| 03:35:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, you can't. |
| 03:35:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | EVER |
| 03:35:14 | speacial_ed | :( |
| 03:35:20 | speacial_ed | o well |
| 03:35:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:36:49 | sharpe | yay |
| 03:37:15 | sharpe | not really thought |
| 03:37:24 | sharpe | i'm actually quite sad. |
| 03:37:36 | speacial_ed | cheer up emo kid. |
| 03:37:51 | sharpe | eh, not emo |
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| 03:38:01 | sharpe | but it's still funny to make fun of them |
| 03:38:10 | speacial_ed | indeedy |
| 03:38:31 | speacial_ed | why the sadness though? |
| 03:39:13 | sharpe | relationship things, leading to a nonsensical reason why i'm sad |
| 03:39:46 | speacial_ed | well im just not going to say anything and continue my Doom. |
| 03:39:52 | sharpe | yeah, you do that. |
| 03:39:53 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:39:55 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 03:41:05 | sharpe | althought, i do know a lot of people that would fit the description of an 'emo' person. |
| 03:41:13 | sharpe | although |
| 03:41:38 | speacial_ed | dont we all.... |
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| 03:41:57 | speacial_ed | our freshmen this year, nearly all of them are... |
| 03:42:02 | speacial_ed | that, or "gangsta" |
| 03:42:06 | sharpe | heheh |
| 03:42:24 | speacial_ed | cant really decide which ones better |
| 03:42:34 | sharpe | eh, i'd pick emoish |
| 03:42:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least emo is quiet in most cases. |
| 03:43:01 | speacial_ed | yeah, but that whole "lets wear make up and kiss guys" thing kinda weirds me out |
| 03:43:28 | sharpe | nooo it's not that, it's the secureness with their sexuality. heheh |
| 03:43:36 | speacial_ed | o of course, how dare i. |
| 03:43:40 | sharpe | mmhmm. |
| 03:44:08 | speacial_ed | i mean its there thing and i dont have anything against them but... i just dont get it |
| 03:44:38 | sharpe | i really haven't witnessed much of that. |
| 03:44:51 | speacial_ed | lucky... |
| 03:45:06 | sharpe | of course, i fit the 'band geek' stereotype. |
| 03:45:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've had more gay women hit on me than gay men. |
| 03:45:23 | speacial_ed | haha |
| 03:45:27 | speacial_ed | nice |
| 03:45:28 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:45:41 | speacial_ed | which one feels better/less awkward |
| 03:45:48 | speacial_ed | which ever one better fits it.. |
| 03:45:55 | sharpe | just because i play an instrument, and have many friends that are in band classes. |
| 03:45:56 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:46:16 | speacial_ed | i dont really know what im classified as |
| 03:46:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe. Well, when a gay woman does it, it's often "Damn, I wish you were a girl 'cuz then I'd be all over you" or something like that. So it's pretty awkward, because you start thinking "Does that mean to you I'm *almost* female?" |
| 03:46:30 | sharpe | lol... |
| 03:46:32 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 03:46:36 | speacial_ed | o man, good stuff |
| 03:47:17 | sharpe | i can't say i've had any gay women/men hit on me... |
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| 03:47:47 | speacial_ed | there was this one kid in my gym earlier this year who was gay and told me i was hott and always gave me free stuff.... |
| 03:47:57 | speacial_ed | that was pretty weird |
| 03:48:02 | speacial_ed | he got transferd luckily |
| 03:48:09 | sharpe | hahah |
| 03:48:40 | sharpe | i've a friend, who i still haven't figured out if he is gay |
| 03:48:40 | speacial_ed | thats as close as ive gotten, and hopefully ill stay about there |
| 03:49:29 | sharpe | heh. |
| 03:50:00 | sharpe | sources point to that he either is, or was for a while. |
| 03:50:13 | speacial_ed | i wonder if the other people in the channel just kinda read our conversation and chill there eating like cheetos or something. |
| 03:50:24 | sharpe | i was eating chips |
| 03:50:30 | speacial_ed | if so, id like to point out, you guys are weird |
| 03:50:40 | sharpe | ahahah |
| 03:50:48 | BHSPitLappy | uhh |
| 03:50:48 | speacial_ed | excluding of course those who are here to help |
| 03:50:54 | BHSPitLappy | I was about to object to what speacial_ed said |
| 03:50:57 | Mikachu | i was eating yoghurt |
| 03:51:01 | BHSPitLappy | but then I read what sharpe was saying |
| 03:51:01 | speacial_ed | i was close... |
| 03:51:12 | sharpe | it's like i'm here for comical relief |
| 03:51:30 | speacial_ed | i joined with a question but i started talking and totally forgot it |
| 03:51:34 | BHSPitLappy | except instead of relief, you provide yet more awkwardness. |
| 03:51:40 | speacial_ed | ill second that |
| 03:51:43 | speacial_ed | :P |
| 03:51:56 | sharpe | it's an comical awkwardness? |
| 03:52:10 | Mikachu | uncomical awkwardness |
| 03:52:11 | sharpe | yeah, i make you laugh, AND wonder :D |
| 03:52:15 | sharpe | oh |
| 03:52:24 | sharpe | okay, i just make people wonder. |
| 03:52:44 | speacial_ed | sooo... how bout that weather... |
| 03:52:58 | sharpe | according to google, sunny |
| 03:53:00 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:53:08 | Mikachu | all across the globe |
| 03:53:13 | speacial_ed | duh |
| 03:53:18 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 03:53:59 | speacial_ed | normally id ask about them Mariners or Sonics, or even Seahawks, depending on the season, but seeing as im probably the only Seattlite here, youd all make fun of me |
| 03:54:21 | sharpe | i don't participate in/watch sports |
| 03:54:33 | speacial_ed | well that goes with your band nerdiness |
| 03:54:44 | dpassen1 | I hate the Seahawks |
| 03:54:46 | sharpe | eh, i make music |
| 03:54:49 | sharpe | what can i say? |
| 03:55:12 | speacial_ed | thats why i tend to not bring them up |
| 03:55:22 | dpassen1 | <−− Giants fan |
| 03:55:28 | speacial_ed | blehhhh |
| 03:55:34 | dpassen1 | heh |
| 03:56:04 | speacial_ed | i dont care who your a fan of, it was our superbowl |
| 03:56:19 | speacial_ed | Seahawks:14 Refs:21 |
| 03:56:21 | dpassen1 | Believe me, I did not root for the Steelers |
| 03:56:44 | dpassen1 | And I don |
| 03:56:54 | dpassen1 | don't really hate the Seahawks |
| 03:57:21 | dpassen1 | Jurevicius helped me win my fantasy league (plus he's a former Giant), and if not for Jay Feely we would have beaten you guys |
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| 03:59:53 | dpassen1 | too much for him, i suppose |
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| 04:09:47 | TeaSea | Hey BTW, what's the current status of album cover support in current CVS? |
| 04:10:05 | sharpe | still not in? |
| 04:10:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not there yet? |
| 04:10:12 | TeaSea | Ahh k |
| 04:10:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It can't be there until after May 1st at the earliest |
| 04:10:23 | TeaSea | Ahh k |
| 04:10:28 | TeaSea | I know there are patches available |
| 04:10:48 | TeaSea | But that'd mean i'd have to go to the bother of compiling CVS source code. Plus i'd have to get specific cvs versions. Too much hassle :) |
| 04:13:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, you'll KNOW when there's been progress, because in the changelog it'll mention Album Art for the first time ever. |
| 04:13:26 | TeaSea | Hehe :) |
| 04:14:46 | goffa_ | funny album art is such a big deal |
| 04:15:17 | TeaSea | goffa_: I don't care THAT much for it, but it'd be nice. |
| 04:15:42 | goffa_ | not saying it wouldnt be nice.. but its funny the ammount of demand for it |
| 04:15:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 04:16:51 | goffa_ | a history of violence is pretty good.. just got done watching it |
| 04:17:02 | TeaSea | BTW is there a way to stop the filebrowser from reading the .rockbox dir? Every time I try to go through it it borks up rockbox :D |
| 04:17:17 | sharpe | have it only show supported files in the settings |
| 04:17:23 | TeaSea | I do |
| 04:17:28 | TeaSea | That doesn't stop it from displaying the dir :( |
| 04:17:34 | dpassen1 | borks up? |
| 04:17:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | You mean rockbox not .rockbox |
| 04:17:41 | TeaSea | Yeah. fonts get b0rked and I have to restart. |
| 04:17:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the rockbox.ipod file |
| 04:17:52 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 04:17:52 | TeaSea | Ahh |
| 04:17:57 | sharpe | tis the firmware. |
| 04:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | One thing you can do, is move it into the .rockbox folder |
| 04:18:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | The bootloader can see it there, but it'll be hidden from you because the .rockbox folder is |
| 04:18:20 | goffa_ | good tip Paul_The_Nerd |
| 04:18:26 | goffa_ | i just assumed it had to be in root |
| 04:18:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if you do that you HAVE to remember to copy the new rockbox.ipod into the .rockbox folder when you install a newer version |
| 04:18:46 | sharpe | one in .rockbox takes precedence over the one in the root directory... |
| 04:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has to either be in root or the .rockbox folder, but you need to remember to move it from root to .rockbox every time, otherwise you'll have two of 'em. |
| 04:18:54 | TeaSea | Why do I need the rockbox.ipod file? :o |
| 04:19:01 | TeaSea | I'm running an X5. |
| 04:19:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: You sure? People have had problems when they had two in the past... |
| 04:19:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | TeaSea: Okay, rockbox.iaudio |
| 04:19:15 | sharpe | eh, some people's it does anyway. |
| 04:19:15 | goffa_ | he he he... |
| 04:19:16 | TeaSea | kk |
| 04:19:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suppose I could type rockbox.target, but then EVERYONE gets confused |
| 04:19:22 | goffa_ | technicality |
| 04:19:23 | TeaSea | Hehe |
| 04:19:33 | sharpe | rockbox.<insert your player abbriviation here> |
| 04:19:50 | goffa_ | easier to type rockbox.ipod and explain i think |
| 04:20:02 | sharpe | eh, abbreviation. |
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| 04:20:15 | sharpe | phonetically correct |
| 04:20:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: And if the one in .rockbox takes precedent, then when you update and the old one stays in .rockbox, and the new one is in the root, that's when problems can occur. New plugins and codecs, old rockbox.target |
| 04:20:45 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 04:20:46 | goffa_ | i've got rockbox.iaudio not rockbox.target.. what do i do? |
| 04:20:53 | TeaSea | :D |
| 04:20:55 | * | goffa_ apologizes |
| 04:20:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:20:58 | sharpe | lol... |
| 04:21:04 | TeaSea | Oh also |
| 04:21:26 | TeaSea | I have a dir, "music", which I want to appear first in the filebrowser. What's the best character to start it with which doesn't make it look stupid in your opinion? :D |
| 04:21:36 | sharpe | a i would imagine. |
| 04:21:41 | TeaSea | Hehe |
| 04:21:43 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | TeaSea: I think people like ! |
| 04:21:56 | goffa_ | _music |
| 04:21:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | !Music, logically speaking, bothers me. |
| 04:22:02 | TeaSea | Bothers me too |
| 04:22:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's where I'd keep my images or something. |
| 04:22:13 | TeaSea | Plus, linux displays ! Music not first, so nyet to that. |
| 04:22:14 | sharpe | i just have "Music" |
| 04:22:25 | sharpe | i can deal with scrolling down two folders |
| 04:22:32 | TeaSea | sharpe: As would I, but I have loads of other folders, what with it being an X5 :( |
| 04:22:42 | sharpe | 'c64' and 'games' |
| 04:22:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are the other folders necessary? |
| 04:22:45 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:22:47 | goffa_ | you can delete the extra ones |
| 04:22:52 | TeaSea | Paul_The_Nerd: Probably! |
| 04:22:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not set the "hidden" attribute on all the unnecessary ones |
| 04:22:58 | sharpe | try it and tell us :D |
| 04:23:04 | goffa_ | i kept system |
| 04:23:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as Rockbox doesn't coexist with the IAudio firmware anyway |
| 04:23:10 | goffa_ | just in case i wanted to go back |
| 04:23:11 | TeaSea | Paul_The_Nerd: What hidden attribute? |
| 04:23:20 | goffa_ | right click on the file .. properties |
| 04:23:22 | TeaSea | Uh |
| 04:23:22 | goffa_ | then hidden |
| 04:23:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | You know, right click on them in Windows and tick the box labelled "Hidden" |
| 04:23:31 | TeaSea | Sorry, i'm on linux :)_ |
| 04:23:38 | goffa_ | ah |
| 04:23:39 | sharpe | :O |
| 04:23:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well bah |
| 04:23:44 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:23:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox respects the hidden attribute, but I'm not sure what you'd use to apply it in linux |
| 04:24:03 | TeaSea | Does it hide . dirs? |
| 04:24:04 | sharpe | hey paul, i got the configuration settings working for the c64 emulator |
| 04:24:25 | goffa_ | attribL |
| 04:24:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | TeaSea: Yes, it hides .blah folders as well |
| 04:24:29 | goffa_ | er attrib? |
| 04:24:32 | TeaSea | Awesome. |
| 04:24:40 | TeaSea | time for rename then. |
| 04:24:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | As long as you're in "Show Supported" |
| 04:24:48 | TeaSea | Just gotta remember to rename .firmware back to .firmware :) |
| 04:24:50 | TeaSea | Uh |
| 04:24:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:24:53 | TeaSea | .firmware to firmware |
| 04:25:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Man, I miss my old C64. I think it's the first desktop I used that I remember the name of. |
| 04:26:15 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:26:26 | TeaSea | My X5 is now sharp :) |
| 04:26:33 | goffa_ | i had a tandy 1000tl and a appleII and an ibm pc jr |
| 04:26:48 | goffa_ | ironically i had the tandy BEFORE i had the pc jr and the apple II |
| 04:27:09 | sharpe | right now it works okay at 15fps, with text input... |
| 04:28:11 | TeaSea | Oh BTW, how does one delete the contents of the "current playlist"? |
| 04:28:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | TeaSea: By starting a new playlist. |
| 04:30:26 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 04:30:39 | TeaSea | Heh k, simple enough. |
| 04:30:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, does anyone here think "How to change the volume" belongs on the IpodFAQ? |
| 04:31:08 | sharpe | well, i'm gone. |
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| 04:31:14 | sharpe | later everyone. |
| 04:31:15 | dpro | paul: depends on how often it's asked >;-> |
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| 04:31:47 | michikal | Hey. |
| 04:31:48 | * | goffa_ has no ipod.. so i'll stay out of that |
| 04:31:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpro: In the entire time I've been watching the forums, I believe it has been asked ONCE. |
| 04:32:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | On ANY target. |
| 04:32:05 | michikal | What question? |
| 04:32:10 | goffa_ | don't need it for the iaudio |
| 04:32:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | "How do you change the volume" |
| 04:32:21 | michikal | . . . |
| 04:32:22 | TeaSea | Haha |
| 04:32:28 | dpro | paul: apart from being a pretty stupid question it's not a frequent one then ;) |
| 04:32:30 | Mikachu | how do you not change the volume on the ipod? |
| 04:32:41 | dpro | Mikachu: LOL |
| 04:32:42 | Mikachu | :) |
| 04:32:48 | TeaSea | Good one |
| 04:32:58 | goffa_ | i think you should include instructions for the ipod flea though |
| 04:33:00 | goffa_ | :) |
| 04:33:31 | TeaSea | ipod flea? |
| 04:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is no port for the ipod flea for the same reasons there's not a shuffle one. |
| 04:33:53 | michikal | Pfft. I've got the iPod Invisa. |
| 04:33:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | We do not have an appropriate GCC compiler ;-) |
| 04:34:07 | goffa_ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6681445139229604898&q=ipod+flea&pl=true |
| 04:34:08 | TeaSea | I am confused |
| 04:34:09 | michikal | Got a port for the iPod Giganta? |
| 04:34:15 | goffa_ | good point for the flea |
| 04:34:46 | goffa_ | i'd like to see a choad in a flea collar pouring the flea bag into his hand |
| 04:35:20 | TeaSea | Hehe. I think i've been playing jewels a bit too much on my X5. |
| 04:35:30 | TeaSea | My battery life was already pretty crap but this is going to shoot it to pieces :D |
| 04:35:41 | goffa_ | oops.. flee ifestation kit.. not the flea bag |
| 04:36:02 | goffa_ | yeah... you'll give the joystick a good workout too |
| 04:39:32 | TeaSea | Haha. That's good fun. |
| 04:41:30 | * | lostlogic breaks playback all over the floor again. |
| 04:41:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ewww... don't get any on my shoes. |
| 04:42:04 | lostlogic | hehe, just simplifying code some in places where the complexity is no longer necessary |
| 04:42:10 | goffa_ | he he he.. so you're telling me .. no new firmware before bed? |
| 04:42:13 | lostlogic | haven't found any of the extant bugs yet though :( |
| 04:42:36 | goffa_ | bed being in about 2 hours |
| 04:43:04 | lostlogic | hmm, we'll see, maybe I'll figure out how to handle the rapid button press -> breakage situation before then |
| 04:43:13 | lostlogic | since I know _what_ the problem it is reasonable. |
| 04:43:28 | goffa_ | <- doesn't care really.. just giving you a hard time |
| 04:44:37 | lostlogic | how about this, I commit what I've got now, and you guys let me know if I broke anything new, while I work on the above mentioned issue? |
| 04:45:53 | goffa_ | i can do that for you if you want me to |
| 04:46:46 | lostlogic | goffa_: committed, do let me know if there are any new bugs :) |
| 04:47:05 | goffa_ | ok.. will do.. headed to the other room |
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| 04:58:26 | goffa_ | been a long time since i updated firmware.. almost 12 hours :) |
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| 05:03:00 | goffa_ | new firmware seems to work |
| 05:03:12 | goffa_ | hmm |
| 05:03:17 | goffa_ | wonder if that was the file |
| 05:03:30 | goffa_ | got some pops on mpc |
| 05:03:35 | lostlogic | let me know of any regressions. I'm analyzing possible solutions to the multi-skip problem. |
| 05:04:02 | lostlogic | gonna delete at least one more varialbe, and possibly too while I'm at it. |
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| 05:04:52 | goffa_ | must have been when i attempted to seek that caused the popping |
| 05:05:05 | goffa_ | thinks are o now |
| 05:05:18 | goffa_ | not supposed to work n mpc anyway |
| 05:05:23 | goffa_ | grr |
| 05:05:31 | goffa_ | things are ok now is what i meant to say |
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| 05:07:49 | Jungti1234 | hohoho |
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| 05:15:31 | TeaSea | BTW, jooc, the recent addition to CVS, the "ticking" thing to do with H100 remotes, is that the infamous thing where you can hear ticking every so often when you plug your headphones in the remote socket? |
| 05:16:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Rockbox already had a fix for that |
| 05:16:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is an improvement upon the existing fix |
| 05:16:11 | TeaSea | That is pure awesome. |
| 05:16:15 | TeaSea | What was the cause? |
| 05:16:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bad isolation, I think. The data refreshing the LCD on the remote affects the audio line. |
| 05:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not really sure though |
| 05:16:46 | TeaSea | Aha |
| 05:17:24 | TeaSea | Anyway, bed! |
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| 05:17:47 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 05:17:48 | Jungti1234 | http://imgnews.naver.com/image/098/2006/04/13/f52af77db1a538ba020084760ce29fad.jpg |
| 05:17:50 | Jungti1234 | E10 |
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| 05:18:24 | goffa_ | who makes that? |
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| 05:18:55 | goffa_ | nm iriver |
| 05:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | 6gig HD based, apparently? |
| 05:20:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:21:24 | goffa_ | hmm... no issue with playback.. video is goofy in bubbles |
| 05:21:33 | goffa_ | when i fire... the left hand coulumn goes fuzy |
| 05:21:36 | goffa_ | fuzzy |
| 05:22:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is odd. |
| 05:23:07 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 05:23:21 | goffa_ | returns to normal after shot lands though |
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| 05:25:00 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Hm |
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| 05:25:40 | lostlogic | shit, the first solution I came up with doesn't solve the problem. |
| 05:25:59 | lostlogic | (fortunately I didnt' code the whole thing before realizing that) |
| 05:26:12 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 05:26:17 | goffa_ | that would have sucked |
| 05:29:24 | lostlogic | so, how important is it to be able to skip several tracks forward blindly (like press skip 3 times and be sure that the device will _actually_ skip 3 tracks)? |
| 05:30:20 | goffa_ | i don't care about ACTUAL 3 tracks with shuffle |
| 05:30:28 | goffa_ | which is what i use all the time |
| 05:30:50 | lostlogic | bagh, anyone use swcodec and sequential play have an opinion on the matter? |
| 05:30:55 | dpassen1 | I think its rather important |
| 05:30:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity, couldn't you just do it a slower way? Instead of complete blind skipping, why not do a complete one-track skip, three times? Just queue them instead of bypassing (assuming that's not how it already is)? |
| 05:31:19 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: because that's hard :-P |
| 05:31:26 | lostlogic | I think I have a middle of the road solution which won't suck |
| 05:31:29 | lostlogic | give me 30 to code it. |
| 05:31:30 | goffa_ | heh.. i'd rather have it not screw up |
| 05:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | hehehe |
| 05:31:34 | goffa_ | :) |
| 05:31:45 | goffa_ | and don't care abotu the EXACT track |
| 05:31:50 | lostlogic | yes yes, not screwing up is definitely important |
| 05:32:03 | dpassen1 | Sometimes, if I'm listening to an album and I'm about to arrive and I want to hear the last song or something, I would expect it to work. |
| 05:32:10 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: the problem is that in order to really do the queueing thing I'd have to lock-step the codec and audio threads during track skipping |
| 05:32:13 | lostlogic | which sounds shitty to me. |
| 05:32:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
| 05:32:53 | lostlogic | dpassen1: ok, point well taken, I think I have a solution which will handle that, now that I think of it |
| 05:33:02 | goffa_ | good point dpassen1 |
| 05:33:02 | lostlogic | give me 40 instead of 30. |
| 05:33:07 | goffa_ | :) |
| 05:34:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You could always just do a buffer flush if they skip again before playback starts, and force a rebuffer. :-P |
| 05:34:45 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I think I have a theory that will work |
| 05:34:52 | lostlogic | kinda involves moving the brains of the operation around a bit |
| 05:35:00 | lostlogic | but in the end I think I can satisfy both camps pretty well. |
| 05:36:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd cheers. |
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| 05:38:07 | aaronslife | hi all, does anyone know where I could get an iPod video playlist genorator for rockbox? |
| 05:38:21 | aaronslife | or does one exsist? |
| 05:38:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Umm |
| 05:38:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It just uses M3U playlists |
| 05:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | So most modern music playing software can generate usable playlists. |
| 05:38:56 | aaronslife | what would you recommend? |
| 05:38:58 | aaronslife | winamp? |
| 05:39:06 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 05:39:08 | goffa_ | they invented it |
| 05:39:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Foobar2000 is my program of choice |
| 05:39:09 | aaronslife | haha |
| 05:39:10 | aaronslife | k |
| 05:39:11 | goffa_ | :) |
| 05:39:12 | aaronslife | =] |
| 05:39:18 | aaronslife | thanks. |
| 05:39:23 | goffa_ | otherwise fb2k |
| 05:39:58 | aaronslife | anyone use ipl? |
| 05:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really. I installed it, then removed it to fit more music. |
| 05:40:29 | aaronslife | likewise. |
| 05:40:29 | aaronslife | =] |
| 05:40:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I wanted a PDA that could play music, I'd have gotten a PDA that can play music. :) |
| 05:40:46 | * | goffa_ has never tried it |
| 05:40:50 | aaronslife | for some reason... I don't find a use for it because rockbox has everything I want. |
| 05:41:45 | goffa_ | rockbox has everything i want except that queuing feature i want... but thats not the end of the world considering it does everything else i want... well |
| 05:41:51 | aaronslife | lol... I swear the next gen iPod is gonna be like... IpodNet or something... with the net attached. |
| 05:42:09 | aaronslife | net enabled* |
| 05:42:31 | goffa_ | hook directly to itunes... with wifi... no computer needed |
| 05:42:49 | goffa_ | and pay $2.50 for your poorly compressed song |
| 05:42:49 | aaronslife | wa? |
| 05:42:56 | goffa_ | :) |
| 05:43:01 | goffa_ | future |
| 05:43:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, I would like a dap-sized device that could use my WiFi or WiFi hotspots to access webradio streams. |
| 05:43:04 | aaronslife | hahaha |
| 05:43:04 | aaronslife | oh |
| 05:43:22 | goffa_ | that would be cool Paul_The_Nerd |
| 05:43:26 | goffa_ | here that would be better than radio |
| 05:43:32 | aaronslife | yeah, that would be a nice feature. |
| 05:43:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Technically my ancient HP Jornada 565 with a WiFi adapter could do that though |
| 05:43:48 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 05:43:49 | aaronslife | haha |
| 05:44:13 | aaronslife | winamp 5.2 here I come. |
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| 05:45:28 | * | goffa_ needs new fridge... ice cream is soft |
| 05:45:38 | goffa_ | actually tastes better that way.. not good for food though |
| 05:45:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man |
| 05:45:50 | aaronslife | haha |
| 05:46:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I set my fridge on anything above 4 out of 9, it freezes any liquid I put in it |
| 05:46:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that's my fridge, not the freezer |
| 05:46:10 | aaronslife | anyone using Linux? |
| 05:46:17 | goffa_ | my freezer is CRANKED |
| 05:46:28 | Galois | everyone uses linux |
| 05:46:43 | aaronslife | I ment as there main OS Galois. |
| 05:46:51 | goffa_ | got it for free with my house though.. can't complain |
| 05:47:06 | Galois | well, the answer's still yes |
| 05:47:13 | goffa_ | lol.... i only paid $10k for this place |
| 05:47:29 | aaronslife | what distro are you using Galois? |
| 05:47:39 | Galois | redhat enterprise 4AS |
| 05:47:55 | goffa_ | < uses lfs |
| 05:47:55 | aaronslife | hmm haven't played with redhat any good? |
| 05:48:10 | Galois | it works for me |
| 05:48:28 | aaronslife | how long have you been using linux? I've been using it for about a year or so. |
| 05:48:34 | Galois | hm, about 10 years |
| 05:48:54 | aaronslife | yeah, see. that might be why you can survive using it. |
| 05:48:57 | aaronslife | haha. |
| 05:49:01 | goffa_ | fulltime 1 year here |
| 05:49:11 | aaronslife | I always endup screwing up my box. |
| 05:49:12 | goffa_ | on and off for about 5 |
| 05:49:18 | aaronslife | so I just use it on my old 233mhz |
| 05:49:43 | goffa_ | arch is nice and easy |
| 05:49:49 | Galois | given the amount and impact of spyware and viruses on windows, I would argue just the opposite −− any user whose primary machine is windows is bound to screw up their box |
| 05:49:57 | gursikh | on the side box−− gentoo |
| 05:50:02 | goffa_ | quick to install.. nice package manager too |
| 05:50:03 | gursikh | and ubuntu on the other |
| 05:50:27 | goffa_ | gentoo is good stuff |
| 05:50:46 | aaronslife | <3 gentoo. |
| 05:50:54 | aaronslife | ebuild is your friend. |
| 05:51:05 | Galois | I have a computer upstairs with about 10 linux distros installed on it, but my primary machines are redhat enterprise |
| 05:51:28 | aaronslife | haha |
| 05:51:31 | aaronslife | thats crazy. |
| 05:51:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: I beg to differ. I use my laptop as my primary box, and since I never managed to get WiFi working under linux on it, it's mostly stuck in windows. And I've never had a problem with spyware or virii, or even performance degradation over the years from system clutter. It's all merely an issue of being careful with software on it and such. |
| 05:51:49 | aaronslife | slaxs is a pretty nice live distro, its like... 120mb... |
| 05:52:06 | Galois | paul_the_nerd: it takes superhuman carefulness which inevitably lapses. If you have survived so far it is only because you have not YET succumbed. |
| 05:52:23 | Galois | also, I would assume you are far more capable than the average windows user at avoiding such threats |
| 05:52:27 | aaronslife | omg Paul_The_Nerd I've got the perfect help doc for you for wifi. |
| 05:52:54 | goffa_ | i didn't have too much trouble with the wifi on my old box... too lazy to install a distro on this thing |
| 05:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Well that's probably true. That and my "primary use" scenario is mainly communications, and websites with a fairly high degree of trust. |
| 05:53:28 | gursikh | My laptop dual boots xp pro and ubuntu with networking working. I got lucky and found a guide online to using a ubuntu build for hp laptops |
| 05:53:37 | aaronslife | Paul_The_Nerd have a look at this doc http://home.comcast.net/~qatz/dhcp.html |
| 05:53:40 | goffa_ | connected to my other box through ssh... i use screen for irssi.. too lazy to even install an irc client :) |
| 05:53:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: Nah, I'm fairly familiar with using wifi on linux. The laptop just really hates it. It may even be some small fault in MY laptop or something, as I've found specific tutorials for my brand/model laptop, and using the exact same distro and everything as the tutorial it still failed. |
| 05:53:57 | Galois | I, uhm, purchased an aftermarket internal wifi card for my laptop specifically so that I could run linux on the laptop without restriction |
| 05:54:16 | aaronslife | oh I see. |
| 05:54:28 | goffa_ | probably chipset of the card or something |
| 05:54:43 | goffa_ | some can be fussy |
| 05:55:29 | aaronslife | lets see if I built this playlist right... |
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| 05:55:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: I keep meaning to do that, but there's not really a heavy pressure for me to migrate the laptop to Linux since if there's nothing I need mobile that is linux-exclusive, and my desktop runs linux just fine. |
| 05:56:10 | Galois | the worst laptops, unfortunately, have BIOS code that locks out third party internal wifi cards |
| 05:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh. I don't believe mine does. |
| 05:56:54 | aaronslife | anyone know where to get some good themes for Video iPod's for Rockbox? |
| 05:57:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: The only resource I know of is the WpsGallery wiki page |
| 05:57:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the 5G one off of the main gallery |
| 05:57:45 | goffa_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 05:58:56 | * | goffa_ must be a dork |
| 05:58:57 | aaronslife | aaronslife: hmm, for some reason. I can't seem to get the themes working. and I extracted theme into the correct folder. |
| 05:59:00 | goffa_ | i like the engineer2 |
| 05:59:23 | Jungti1234 | i like ipod theme |
| 05:59:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: What problem do you have? |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:31 | aaronslife | when I look for the theme in rockbox it doesn't show up in the themes area Paul_The_Nerd |
| 06:01:02 | aaronslife | I want Turntable 2 for a theme |
| 06:01:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: And you put the .cfg file in the /.rockbox/themes folder, and the wps file in the /.rockbox/wps folder |
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| 06:02:38 | aaronslife | thats what I didn't do. thanks Paul. |
| 06:03:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, the directory with all the .bmps goes in the wps folder beside the .wps file |
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| 06:04:01 | sayocean | got a question |
| 06:04:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ask away |
| 06:04:32 | sayocean | can dust and other small particles (tiny pieces of human hair) damage an ipod or any other devices that rely on hardware etc? |
| 06:04:53 | sayocean | if it gets inside the device via the headphone jack or the bottom dock opening.. |
| 06:06:07 | sayocean | silly question realy.. |
| 06:06:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it really depends on what the dust is, and where it gets to (For example, tiny metal shavings getting into the wrong areas could be much more harmful than human hair). |
| 06:06:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's generally a good idea to try to keep foreign objects outside of your ipod, independent of size. |
| 06:08:18 | lostlogic | good god, I'm making a 4 variable truth table for this shit. |
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| 06:09:06 | * | goffa_ wishes his discrete structures class wasn't at 8am when he was at school... |
| 06:09:28 | goffa_ | that professor made ben stein look like sam kinnesson |
| 06:09:36 | dpassen1 | haha |
| 06:09:42 | dpassen1 | i hated my discrete math class |
| 06:09:53 | goffa_ | he was at nasa 1/3 of the semester |
| 06:10:32 | goffa_ | if a is true and be is false and you have a deck of 52 cards... what is the likelyhood of staying awake if i draw the 4 of hearts |
| 06:11:05 | goffa_ | oh ... and he'd start at the top right of the board.. and write until he got to the bottom left without turning around |
| 06:11:10 | goffa_ | erase.. then start over |
| 06:11:11 | sayocean | paul, so tiny tiny tiny pieces of hair shouldnt be any problems correct? |
| 06:11:19 | dpassen1 | you guys have to do proof by induction? |
| 06:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Shouldn't really, no. |
| 06:11:47 | sayocean | k thanks |
| 06:12:22 | gursikh | sayocean: unless of course your shoving it in by the handful... but then you have other problems that should be taken care of first.... |
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| 06:13:05 | sayocean | lol |
| 06:13:08 | sayocean | true |
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| 06:16:22 | Moos | Good morning |
| 06:17:06 | goffa_ | and yeah.. we did proof by induction |
| 06:17:11 | aaronslife | does anyone have the "coming next" feature working? |
| 06:17:20 | goffa_ | aaronslife: yes |
| 06:17:30 | aaronslife | how do you get it working? |
| 06:17:40 | goffa_ | gotta have a wps that shows it |
| 06:17:51 | aaronslife | I do... or atleast it says it does... |
| 06:17:54 | goffa_ | oh |
| 06:17:56 | aaronslife | Turntable2 |
| 06:18:01 | aaronslife | have a look. |
| 06:18:03 | goffa_ | maybe there's something wrong with the wps |
| 06:18:12 | aaronslife | yeah... |
| 06:18:16 | goffa_ | temporarily |
| 06:18:20 | goffa_ | switch to engineer2 |
| 06:18:27 | aaronslife | does it have it? |
| 06:18:36 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 06:18:37 | aaronslife | k |
| 06:18:38 | goffa_ | and it works on mine |
| 06:19:01 | aaronslife | hm... |
| 06:19:08 | aaronslife | everything is off to the right |
| 06:19:16 | goffa_ | odd |
| 06:19:16 | Jungti1234 | morning Moos |
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| 06:19:24 | warthawg | i dont have turntable2 |
| 06:19:43 | Moos | Hi Jungti1234 ! |
| 06:19:59 | aaronslife | can engineer2 have backdrop support? |
| 06:20:02 | aaronslife | does* |
| 06:20:11 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 06:20:21 | goffa_ | not by default... but you could edit the wps |
| 06:20:23 | goffa_ | its a text file |
| 06:20:28 | aaronslife | ok |
| 06:20:36 | goffa_ | i don't remember where the guide for editing wps's is |
| 06:20:41 | aaronslife | thx |
| 06:20:51 | goffa_ | had pretty good instructions if i remember right |
| 06:21:05 | aaronslife | is it on the rockbox site? |
| 06:21:08 | goffa_ | otherwise.. you could find the playing next code and put it into turntable 2 |
| 06:21:09 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 06:21:14 | aaronslife | k |
| 06:21:45 | aaronslife | think you could host your wps of engineer2? |
| 06:22:24 | goffa_ | probably.. but mine is for iaudio |
| 06:22:27 | aaronslife | oh |
| 06:22:30 | aaronslife | haha. |
| 06:22:36 | aaronslife | thats why it looks funny on mine. |
| 06:22:45 | goffa_ | ah |
| 06:22:51 | goffa_ | i'm using namil 8 font |
| 06:23:06 | goffa_ | i was just saying to try it to see if next track worked |
| 06:23:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Engineer 2 was designed for a mono screen that JUST happens to be the same size as the X5 screen |
| 06:23:33 | goffa_ | looks good on my player :) |
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| 06:24:04 | goffa_ | if next track works then there is something wrong with the wps for turntable on your player |
| 06:24:09 | goffa_ | that's all i was going for |
| 06:24:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaronslife: How old is your Rockbox build? |
| 06:24:25 | webguest00 | hi! i cannot find rockboy on my ipod! where can i download it? |
| 06:24:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's been several builds recently where Next Track doesn't work |
| 06:24:38 | goffa_ | ah ok |
| 06:24:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest00: Rockboy's included. Read the PluginRockboy wiki page for use instructions. |
| 06:24:47 | goffa_ | using latest cvs here |
| 06:25:05 | goffa_ | but... i have an x5 so things may be different for ipod |
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| 06:25:58 | webguest00 | btw, i don't know if it's my ipod, but sound in doom is weird! |
| 06:26:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: There shouldn't be any reason for a feature to work on X5 but not on Ipod unless there's a real bug. |
| 06:26:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest00: Yeah, the sound is played back at approximately twice the speed it should be. |
| 06:26:26 | aaronslife | Paul_The_Nerd I have the latest nightly build of iPod Video. |
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| 06:26:37 | goffa_ | ok Paul_The_Nerd ... i didn't know if different builds acted up on different players |
| 06:26:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: Make sure you're still having issues with a bleeding edge then |
| 06:26:57 | webguest00 | in the wikipage for pluginrockboy doesn't say anything about it |
| 06:27:03 | webguest00 | it is just not in my plugin list |
| 06:27:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: They *shouldn't.* Not any more at least. |
| 06:27:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest00: It says on the page that Rockboy is a viewer plugin and is launched simply by clicking on .gb and .gbc files. |
| 06:28:05 | webguest00 | oh...yeah, i'm going blind |
| 06:28:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:29:32 | aaronslife | Paul_The_Nerd: what would you suggest I do? |
| 06:29:50 | goffa_ | aaronslife: try latest cvs? |
| 06:30:04 | aaronslife | ok thanks goffa_ |
| 06:30:10 | goffa_ | just a shot in the dark |
| 06:30:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: I already suggested to try the bleeding edge. |
| 06:31:37 | aaronslife | Paul_The_Nerd: oh well, I didn't know what that was |
| 06:32:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | aaronslife: Well then that should've been your next question. ;-) Bleeding Edge is available behind the link that says CVS Builds on the front page. |
| 06:33:51 | goffa_ | i have a suggestion.. we should stop referring to it as bleeding edge.. or change the link to cvs (bleeding edge) |
| 06:34:04 | goffa_ | i see a lot of peope coming in thinking nightly is cvs |
| 06:34:07 | goffa_ | i was one |
| 06:34:13 | goffa_ | people |
| 06:34:25 | aaronslife | hmm, the bleeding edge version still doesn't fix the engineer theme. |
| 06:34:45 | goffa_ | next track still doesn't work? |
| 06:34:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Well, I don't know how you can think "Daily" and "CVS" are the same build, since there are two different links there. |
| 06:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *think* the Daily builds should be removed from the "Downloads" page. |
| 06:35:20 | goffa_ | thats another possibility |
| 06:35:38 | aaronslife | the next track works, just the background theme is placed in the wrong position. |
| 06:35:48 | goffa_ | ah... try turntable2 now |
| 06:36:03 | goffa_ | unless you want to keep engineer2 |
| 06:36:10 | goffa_ | i just think its the wrong size for your screen |
| 06:36:16 | sayocean | damn |
| 06:36:18 | aaronslife | goffa_: yeah... I believe so. |
| 06:36:19 | sayocean | shakira is sexy |
| 06:37:46 | aaronslife | anyone know how to fix the sound on Doom for rockbox? |
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| 06:38:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Code the plugin to properly handle 22khz samples? |
| 06:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming that's what the problem is. I think that's what it was said to be. |
| 06:38:52 | goffa_ | is there a mute? |
| 06:39:04 | goffa_ | imo that would fix it |
| 06:39:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I kinda like 'em |
| 06:39:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It feels like the sound has been scaled with the whole game. |
| 06:39:35 | aaronslife | lmao |
| 06:39:37 | goffa_ | i don't remember what doom sounded like |
| 06:39:38 | aaronslife | yes it is kinda funny |
| 06:39:51 | goffa_ | haven't played it in a while |
| 06:40:14 | goffa_ | i think i muted it then to |
| 06:40:24 | goffa_ | had the boom box going |
| 06:40:58 | aaronslife | what? |
| 06:41:09 | goffa_ | during my doom days |
| 06:41:16 | aaronslife | you had doom working with YOUR music running? |
| 06:41:27 | goffa_ | not on the computer |
| 06:41:32 | aaronslife | everytime I try and get both running it freezes. |
| 06:41:37 | aaronslife | on my ipod |
| 06:41:38 | goffa_ | played doom before i had mp3 |
| 06:41:44 | goffa_ | i believe it would |
| 06:41:54 | goffa_ | doom is probably too cpu intensive |
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| 06:42:24 | aaronslife | yeah it does kinda freeze when you open doors. |
| 06:42:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the Ipod Doom might eventually work with sound. |
| 06:43:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | With "user-music" rather |
| 06:43:30 | goffa_ | i don't see it happening on coldfire baed players |
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| 06:43:48 | goffa_ | or based :) |
| 06:43:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if it ever does happen, it's A) Going to be a logn ways off, and B) require a good bit of work |
| 06:44:27 | goffa_ | i'm thinking long being your player will be obsolete |
| 06:45:22 | goffa_ | well i see ipod being always supported |
| 06:45:36 | goffa_ | just because of the simple fact that everybody and their dog has one |
| 06:45:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hah |
| 06:45:47 | aaronslife | lol |
| 06:45:54 | aaronslife | I got mine for free =] |
| 06:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'm the only person in my extended family who owns one, and only so I could be more helpful here |
| 06:46:33 | goffa_ | and don't take that to mean that i think its a better player |
| 06:46:53 | goffa_ | i've got an emotional attachment to my x5 :) |
| 06:47:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | In terms of raw music features, I'd say the H120 is probably the most fully featured right now |
| 06:47:03 | goffa_ | its built like a tank.. i love the cas |
| 06:47:08 | aaronslife | yeah goffa_ how are those? |
| 06:47:13 | goffa_ | case |
| 06:47:22 | aaronslife | I haven't played with one yet. |
| 06:47:31 | goffa_ | its survived a couple too many vdts |
| 06:47:48 | aaronslife | vdts? |
| 06:47:54 | goffa_ | vertical drop tests |
| 06:48:01 | aaronslife | lolz@that |
| 06:48:25 | goffa_ | this thing does not leave my side |
| 06:48:30 | goffa_ | and it has good battery |
| 06:48:32 | aaronslife | I've got my iPod video in this really nice slick plastic casing... and it has servived for 3 months so far... lol. |
| 06:48:49 | goffa_ | yeah... i prefer steel to plastic |
| 06:49:05 | aaronslife | well, its water proof. |
| 06:49:27 | goffa_ | to some degree |
| 06:49:42 | goffa_ | i wouldn't use it as bait :) |
| 06:49:51 | aaronslife | lol |
| 06:50:26 | goffa_ | my only problem with iaudio is that they didn't make a 60gb x5l |
| 06:50:33 | goffa_ | so you have to choose between storage and battery |
| 06:51:33 | goffa_ | Paul_The_Nerd: how are the 340's built? |
| 06:51:44 | goffa_ | they pretty stout? |
| 06:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Couldn't say. Don't have one. |
| 06:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 06:52:42 | goffa_ | oh ok |
| 06:53:06 | goffa_ | i always wondered |
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| 06:53:11 | goffa_ | i like the idea of dig out |
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| 06:54:52 | goffa_ | what i wonder is why they don't sell the h340 here in the us.. but its still available in europe |
| 06:55:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought that was just backstock being sold. |
| 06:56:12 | goffa_ | maybe it is |
| 06:56:18 | goffa_ | i dont read german |
| 06:56:23 | goffa_ | but i saw it on amazon.de |
| 06:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
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| 07:00:53 | goffa_ | wonder if they had troubles with the 40giggers or if they just didn't sell |
| 07:01:04 | goffa_ | seem to have phased out higher capacity players |
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| 07:18:33 | lostlogic | good god, this is taking longer than I thought :-\ |
| 07:18:54 | goffa_ | not going well? |
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| 07:21:23 | lostlogic | going fine |
| 07:21:27 | lostlogic | just taking a long time |
| 07:21:30 | Angel_of_Death | dude paul do u ever leave this chat? |
| 07:21:48 | Angel_of_Death | i swear lol ur always in here |
| 07:21:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I sleep. |
| 07:21:49 | lostlogic | and I've run up a few blind alleys where I thought I needed to do things (like truth tables) and I didn't actually... |
| 07:21:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes. |
| 07:22:04 | goffa_ | ah |
| 07:22:07 | lostlogic | Angel_of_Death: a lot of names never leave the chat, but most of us sleep sometimes. |
| 07:22:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Actually, my name usually leaves when I'm sleeping. |
| 07:22:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or on a date, or otherwise |
| 07:22:29 | Angel_of_Death | yeah i didnt mean like just his name |
| 07:22:33 | Angel_of_Death | i ment like hes actually her |
| 07:22:35 | Angel_of_Death | here* |
| 07:22:41 | Angel_of_Death | like talking or something |
| 07:23:12 | lostlogic | haha |
| 07:23:23 | lostlogic | zomg, it compiles |
| 07:23:28 | lostlogic | I wonder how badly I messed it up! |
| 07:23:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'm here a lot because 99% of my daily activities are done either at a computer, or at my desk which has a computer at hand. Even most recreational activities such as gaming/movies/books/etc are done from the same chair, so I leave the chat open in case someone needs help |
| 07:23:47 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: which is why you rock... |
| 07:24:05 | lostlogic | I usually ride a bike or other physical outdoor stuff for recreation... other than codign rockbox which is kinda recreation |
| 07:24:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, I have a morning jog, and other such things. |
| 07:24:55 | lostlogic | well, it still plays, and an automatic track change seems to work. |
| 07:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, basic use is still possible. |
| 07:25:29 | lostlogic | but in other ways it's completely effed. |
| 07:25:35 | Angel_of_Death | has any1 noticed that crossfading doesnt work anymore? |
| 07:25:42 | Angel_of_Death | maybe i just got a bad build... |
| 07:25:47 | Angel_of_Death | ill get the bleeding edge |
| 07:26:48 | lostlogic | hmm, I think a back skip might be skipping forward and a forward skip backward |
| 07:26:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | "other ways"? |
| 07:26:57 | lostlogic | which would be _really_ neat. |
| 07:26:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh |
| 07:26:59 | lostlogic | :) |
| 07:27:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's like a waterproof case I have for one of my flash daps |
| 07:27:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because of the purely mechanical nature of placing a stick on top of a pad, left presses trigger next, and right trigger previous, up turns volume down, and down up. |
| 07:28:41 | lostlogic | haha |
| 07:28:46 | lostlogic | indeed |
| 07:28:49 | lostlogic | that is quite amusing |
| 07:28:59 | lostlogic | ok, so where the hell is it getting reversed |
| 07:29:10 | Angel_of_Death | wow |
| 07:29:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, a "reverse directional controls" feature is probably the first thing I'll ever code for rockbox, if the port on that target reaches that point. |
| 07:29:28 | Angel_of_Death | i just relized every archos they make is so incredibly ugly |
| 07:29:39 | Angel_of_Death | or atleast every1 they make that rockbox supports |
| 07:29:43 | goffa_ | lost.. the back forward thing happens to me from time to time |
| 07:29:54 | goffa_ | but corrects itself too |
| 07:29:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Well, yeah, those are basically "Antique" if you count their age in DAP years |
| 07:30:25 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:30:30 | Angel_of_Death | dude Archos Player/Studio llooks like a brick |
| 07:30:34 | Angel_of_Death | that thing has got to be huge |
| 07:31:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well it uses a 2.5" HD I believe |
| 07:31:36 | lostlogic | goffa_: the track skipping code you are using is almost 100% different than what I'm using, so it's not the same issue ;) |
| 07:31:56 | lostlogic | this is somethign consistent like I reversed function calls somewhere or something equally stupid. |
| 07:32:07 | goffa_ | yeah.. figured |
| 07:34:13 | lostlogic | whee, found it, it wasn't what I thought, but actually back was allowing it to skip to relatively random points on the buffer :-D |
| 07:34:23 | * | lostlogic pats himself on the back. |
| 07:34:41 | lostlogic | and it was because I forgot a check that I remember consciously reminding myself to check. |
| 07:34:54 | goffa_ | cool |
| 07:35:15 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, question for yah |
| 07:35:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is beginning to wonder how much of the original playback code will be left. |
| 07:35:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the question, Angel_of_Death? |
| 07:35:39 | Angel_of_Death | how do i save my settings so when u update to bleeding edge i can just load them instead of manually going thru them and custimizing it |
| 07:35:45 | Angel_of_Death | i know u can do it, just forgot how |
| 07:35:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the menu there's a "Manage Settings" and under that you can save a config file |
| 07:35:59 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: there are still like a minimum of 500 lines I haven't touched. |
| 07:36:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You forgot the "yet" |
| 07:36:42 | goffa_ | this is going to be like windows update :) |
| 07:36:45 | Angel_of_Death | write a cfg. file? |
| 07:37:03 | goffa_ | replace ALL code through updates and patches :) |
| 07:37:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: yes |
| 07:39:27 | goffa_ | so... what is the plan for 3... just go until the end of the month and call it 3... or when you deem its readY? |
| 07:39:41 | Angel_of_Death | hmmm |
| 07:39:42 | goffa_ | Just curious... i plan on sticking to cvs |
| 07:40:02 | goffa_ | so ver number is just a number |
| 07:41:13 | aaronslife | anyone have any knowledge on building wps's? |
| 07:42:25 | goffa_ | this may help aaronslife |
| 07:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: The idea is that all the bugs on that page will be fixed, and all the release-critical features will be. May 1st is kinda like a deadline, so the plan is to have everything done by then. |
| 07:42:26 | goffa_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 07:42:36 | goffa_ | ok |
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| 07:48:39 | lostlogic | grr, I was mostly messing with on-buffer skips, but somehow I might have screwed up off-buffer skips. I hate that. |
| 07:52:31 | * | goffa_ passes out... catch you tomorrow |
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| 08:06:33 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:08:28 | amiconn | Now I have a suspicion what eats all the bandwidth on H300. It's not some mysterious chip, it's rockbox itself: |
| 08:09:03 | lostlogic | bagh, I'm not going to get this working tonight, and it's way past bedtime. g'night. |
| 08:09:07 | lostlogic | amiconn: g'morning :) |
| 08:09:14 | amiconn | On the H300, the button ADC is part of the PCF50605, and it's polled every single tick in ISR context |
| 08:09:41 | amiconn | 100 i2c transfers/second from an isr... |
| 08:10:02 | lostlogic | ouch, there must be a better way to get the button ADC values? on interrupt? |
| 08:10:06 | amiconn | That also explains why it gets worse when the remote is plugged: then there are 2 adc channels to poll... |
| 08:11:05 | amiconn | If you look at the lcd fps measurement page, it lists 11 fps for the main lcd. It drops to 7.5 fps with the remote plugged... |
| 08:11:15 | amiconn | (at 11 MHz) |
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| 08:13:59 | Angel_of_Death | alright |
| 08:14:12 | Angel_of_Death | just added 3 feature requests on rockbox.org |
| 08:14:49 | amiconn | lostlogic: I doubt it. It would require the adc to be able to detect value changes itself, and only fire an interrupt if that's the case |
| 08:15:22 | infamis | Do you guys think a track should be buffered if it's paused when you skip to it? For example: play track 1, [pause], skip next to track 2, skip next to track 3, skip next to track 4, [play]. Only tracks 1 & 4 are buffered. |
| 08:16:40 | infamis | Also using this method, a split second of the track that was paused (say track 1 in my example) still finds its way to your ears (when you hit play on track 4) |
| 08:16:50 | Angel_of_Death | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5115 http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5114 http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5113 |
| 08:17:01 | Angel_of_Death | dunno if u guys agree but check em out :P |
| 08:19:15 | infamis | Angel_of_Death: can't you enable the insert-recursive option to achieve that (for your first one)? |
| 08:20:53 | Angel_of_Death | mmm |
| 08:21:00 | Angel_of_Death | just was told that by someone else lol |
| 08:21:08 | Angel_of_Death | not quite wat i wanted |
| 08:21:13 | Angel_of_Death | but i guess its better than nothing |
| 08:21:17 | infamis | Sorry, I just joined :) |
| 08:21:33 | Angel_of_Death | cause that adds it to the current playlist |
| 08:21:39 | Angel_of_Death | so if ur already listening to something |
| 08:21:43 | Angel_of_Death | it just adds it to that |
| 08:21:57 | Angel_of_Death | so basically it doesnt change to that artist |
| 08:22:05 | Angel_of_Death | it just adds those songs to what ur currently listening to |
| 08:22:07 | Angel_of_Death | but thank |
| 08:22:08 | infamis | Clear the playlist & do it? |
| 08:22:09 | Angel_of_Death | thanks* |
| 08:22:32 | Angel_of_Death | yeah, i will do that... but i would like it to be less trouble cause im lazy like that |
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| 08:22:53 | infamis | Yeah I got ya |
| 08:23:31 | Angel_of_Death | its half way to what i want |
| 08:24:21 | infamis | So if you clear the playlist, then add all albums for a particular artist (based on dir-structure) to the current playlist, that's ultimately what you want? |
| 08:24:22 | lostlogic | lostlogic: hmm, that is a major suck −− which buttons _aren't_ on the ADC? |
| 08:24:35 | * | lostlogic not sleeping yet somehow |
| 08:24:44 | lostlogic | infamis: interesting point. |
| 08:24:53 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 08:25:01 | Angel_of_Death | but then that also brings up my playlist needs |
| 08:25:16 | lostlogic | infamis: (wrt pause vs. skip) post it eitehr on my wiki page, or on the request tracker |
| 08:25:21 | Angel_of_Death | i dont want playlists when i make a playlist, well i do just not m3u's |
| 08:25:29 | Angel_of_Death | i want folders with shortcuts in them to the real songs |
| 08:25:37 | Angel_of_Death | so u can navigate them without going thru the menu |
| 08:25:39 | infamis | lostlogic: ok |
| 08:26:33 | amiconn | If I switch on hold, H300 framerate at 11MHz increases from 11fps to 15fps... |
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| 08:26:45 | lostlogic | infamis: at the very least, the old audio playing is a bug, maybe what you suggest is better. |
| 08:27:12 | amiconn | (meaning the main button adc isn't polled as well |
| 08:27:14 | amiconn | ) |
| 08:28:00 | amiconn | So, each of the 2 button adc channels sucks ~25% cpu power at 11MHz |
| 08:28:29 | amiconn | ...meaning it still sucks _at least_ ~6% cpu power at 45MHz |
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| 08:32:44 | aaronslife | anyone have an iPod video? |
| 08:32:48 | aaronslife | or an iPod? |
| 08:32:55 | aaronslife | I need some help... |
| 08:33:21 | aaronslife | when I plug my player into the charger... it goes to the sync mode and it doesn't charge... |
| 08:33:41 | Galois | how do you know it doesn't charge? |
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| 08:37:27 | lostlogic | Galois: what kind of charger? If you are plugging in a USB cable plugged into a wall, you hafta hold menu while you insert it to go to USB charge mode (in rockbox), and also USB charge in rockbox is not yet complete, so it will charge very slowly (or not all) if you are using the player heavioly and have it plugged in via USB. |
| 08:37:33 | lostlogic | er @aaronslife |
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| 08:39:29 | amiconn | Hah, I think the pcf driver eating cpu can be solved. There's an el cheapo delay loop with a fixed delay that ensures 400kHz i2c clock at 120MHz cpu clock. The delay value is fixed, so we're using <40kHz i2c clock at 11MHz... |
| 08:39:56 | aaronslife | thanks lostlogic. |
| 08:40:12 | BHSPitLappy | hooray for amiconn |
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| 08:40:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: *nod* I'd noted that, but didn't realize the I2C was heavily abused enough to warrant it at the time. |
| 08:40:48 | lostlogic | now I'm really going to sleep. |
| 08:44:26 | BHSPitLappy | amen to that |
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| 09:00:06 | amiconn | Hmm, where's LinusN... |
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| 09:21:44 | petur | omg! In Brussels (Belgium) a 17 year old got killed to steal his mp3 player... I thought this would only happen in the States :( |
| 09:22:08 | Angel_of_Death | got killed to steal his mp3 player? |
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| 09:22:13 | Angel_of_Death | how does that make sense? |
| 09:22:17 | petur | awfull |
| 09:22:30 | Angel_of_Death | no i mean that way u said it |
| 09:22:33 | Angel_of_Death | i dont understand |
| 09:22:47 | Angel_of_Death | got killed to steal his mp3 player..... no broken english please |
| 09:22:49 | crashd | petur: it'd make sense if he was running rockbox :) |
| 09:22:57 | crashd | Angel_of_Death: it makes sense |
| 09:23:08 | crashd | it might not be exactly grammatically correct, but you can infer meaning |
| 09:23:16 | petur | they took his player, he wanted to stop them and they took a knife |
| 09:23:21 | Angel_of_Death | he got killed because he stole an mp3 player? |
| 09:23:39 | Angel_of_Death | oh he got killed because he tried to stop the thiefs from stealing it? |
| 09:23:48 | * | petur didn't know his english was that bad :( |
| 09:24:06 | Angel_of_Death | its not |
| 09:24:12 | Angel_of_Death | the rest of what u have said is fine |
| 09:24:19 | Angel_of_Death | just that one sentence is like chicken scratch |
| 09:24:22 | RoC_MM | Angel_of_Death is a grammar nazi. |
| 09:25:12 | Angel_of_Death | shutup brother |
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| 09:26:16 | Angel_of_Death | RoC_MM is a losa! |
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| 09:27:12 | petur | that's what we call 'hit and run' ? |
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| 09:34:26 | infamis | Only in the States!!?!?!...confizzled |
| 09:34:58 | infamis | Whatchu tryin' to say petur??? HUH?? Got somethin against us USA'nians? |
| 09:35:21 | petur | easy boy |
| 09:36:01 | petur | just that we hear stuff like that happening elsewhere (like in the States), now it happened here too. *frightened* |
| 09:37:13 | crashd | heh |
| 09:37:16 | crashd | confizzled |
| 09:37:37 | * | petur looks up the word ;) |
| 09:37:50 | infamis | I've never heard of it happening here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did..or anywhere else for that matter; people commit petty crimes; I think an iPod is worth more than some Jordan's... |
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| 09:44:51 | pondlife | Anyone know if there's a way to display the call stack in gdb? |
| 09:45:43 | petur | I know it's possible in the GUI version |
| 09:45:43 | bluebrother | bt? |
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| 09:46:50 | pondlife | GUI version? That'd be nice. Where can I get one of those? |
| 09:47:36 | pondlife | Ah - I can use 'where'.. |
| 09:47:47 | pondlife | Or bt! |
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| 09:47:52 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 09:47:52 | bluebrother | pondlife: ddd |
| 09:49:34 | pondlife | bluebrother: Thanks, will get Cygwin setup running again... |
| 09:49:45 | pondlife | ...after this session! |
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| 10:09:41 | Shonky | Can anyone suggest a simple IRC logger I can run on a linux based firewall? I'd like to keep a personal record of conversations on #gigabeat |
| 10:11:37 | crashd | eggdrop can do the job |
| 10:11:42 | crashd | however, it's not exactly intuitive |
| 10:11:45 | crashd | check freshmeat mebbe? |
| 10:12:56 | Shonky | crashd: Freshmeat wasn't much use. Only one there and the docs were totally confusing. I'm not a newb but the docs were terrile. I'll look at eggdrop. Thanks |
| 10:13:47 | crashd | eggdrop is the all purpose irc bot |
| 10:13:50 | crashd | might be useful, might not |
| 10:13:58 | crashd | anyway, gotta go, adios |
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| 10:20:48 | midkay | hmm... |
| 10:23:16 | midkay | small heads-up, i'm sort of screwing with the wiki so please don't revert anything i change, trying to figure things out.. be done in <30 mins :) |
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| 11:17:48 | markun | preglow: thanks for the new crossfeed! First time I tried it today. |
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| 11:22:35 | * | amiconn is now sure that the 'mysterious bandwidth eater' on H300 is the button adc access in the button tick |
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| 11:23:21 | midkay | amiconn, we iPod 5G users really need you! :) |
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| 11:23:38 | amiconn | Running test_fps at 11MHz with the remote connected and both hold switches enabled yields twice the frame rates as with bold hold switches disabled |
| 11:23:47 | midkay | wow |
| 11:23:48 | amiconn | (and remote lcd fps are the same as on H1x0) |
| 11:24:01 | petur | wtf |
| 11:24:30 | amiconn | Btw, the H1x0 ADC driver has the same problem, only to a much lesser degree |
| 11:24:48 | amiconn | (delays applied independent of cpu clock) |
| 11:25:20 | amiconn | Now that the problem is tracked down, I have some an idea how to solve this. |
| 11:25:26 | amiconn | -some |
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| 11:28:34 | amiconn | midkay: I sure as hell won't get any iPod with plastic case, and especially not a 5G |
| 11:29:06 | midkay | amiconn, 'with plastic case'? |
| 11:30:17 | amiconn | To be more precise, with scratchy case |
| 11:30:53 | midkay | haha, ah.. 5G + iSkin = le pwn. i think. since i don't have one of those cases.. but they look nice. |
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| 11:32:20 | amiconn | The 5G lcd is a waste for a dap |
| 11:32:32 | midkay | a waste? |
| 11:32:39 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:32:44 | spitball | why? |
| 11:32:45 | midkay | in what way? |
| 11:32:47 | amiconn | Any colour lcd is a waste for a dap |
| 11:32:59 | amiconn | ...and especially a high-res lcd |
| 11:32:59 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you think this bandwidth eating is a (major) cause of the H300 battery life issue? |
| 11:33:07 | midkay | haha. you could say that, but videos look superb.. |
| 11:33:28 | midkay | if you only use a DAP to play music, yes, the color LCD (hi-res or not) is indeed a waste. |
| 11:34:09 | petur | but a big screen is nice for browsing files... |
| 11:34:19 | midkay | i'd agree.. |
| 11:34:39 | midkay | if it's hi-res, that's another story, but color in general could be viewed as a waste.. |
| 11:34:54 | midkay | i personally wouldn't mind a hi-res color LCD even if i didn't use it for anything other than audio playback.. |
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| 12:00:01 | Hansmaulwurf | hi |
| 12:00:08 | Hansmaulwurf | i wanna do a battery benchmark test |
| 12:00:23 | Hansmaulwurf | but i dont understand what "repeats" means there: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 12:01:18 | Hansmaulwurf | repeating the test, repeating one song all over again? |
| 12:02:09 | petur | repeat all songs |
| 12:02:38 | Hansmaulwurf | repeating a playlist? |
| 12:02:38 | petur | if you repeat only one song it will not reload from disk |
| 12:03:03 | petur | or a folder with enough files that won't fit the buffer |
| 12:03:11 | Hansmaulwurf | hm ok |
| 12:03:33 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
| 12:03:51 | petur | point 3 |
| 12:04:06 | Hansmaulwurf | hm ok |
| 12:05:59 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: "Repeats" in that table means repeating the whole test multiple times to take an average runtime. |
| 12:06:08 | Hansmaulwurf | ok |
| 12:07:49 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i don't have tried the latest playback code, but what it looks like watching the cvs diffs, you were not removing unnecessary code but removing existing working features (such as fast response in wps when skipping tracks fast), and possible introducing new problems by removing "unnecessary" code which is very necessary for special situations |
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| 12:17:53 | nudel | so many threads about doom. :-| why don't people buy a GBA for $10 |
| 12:19:33 | linuxstb | The "Doom Installer" is useful... |
| 12:19:40 | Hansmaulwurf | doom is a cool gimmick for your player what u wanna show your friends |
| 12:19:44 | Hansmaulwurf | imho |
| 12:19:54 | Hansmaulwurf | thats all |
| 12:20:01 | midkay_ | it's very cool, but the number of threads is crazy.. :) |
| 12:20:13 | Hansmaulwurf | yes, especially in the ipod forum |
| 12:20:14 | nudel | it's not a bad thing, just depressing that there's more talk about it than about audio. i guess there's less to say about audio, we know what works and waht doesn't work. |
| 12:20:45 | Hansmaulwurf | some old SNES games would by cool ;) |
| 12:20:51 | Hansmaulwurf | zelda for example |
| 12:20:59 | linuxstb | It's just that the people who like to chat all day in the forums are the same people that play games. |
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| 12:21:18 | Hansmaulwurf | hehe thats propably right |
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| 12:22:50 | XavierGr | just had a wonderfull playback crash :P |
| 12:23:39 | midkay_ | a crash full of wonder? huh? no wondering is required! *points at lostlogic* |
| 12:23:40 | midkay_ | :) |
| 12:24:27 | XavierGr | at least it crashed when I arrived home. My listening experience wasn't ruinned all day long. |
| 12:24:48 | midkay_ | yeah, that's good.. lucky :) |
| 12:25:52 | darkless | that's why I always carry a clips |
| 12:26:06 | darkless | paper clips, even |
| 12:26:07 | XavierGr | But I always do too. |
| 12:26:20 | XavierGr | A huge paper clip bented for easy usage. |
| 12:26:28 | darkless | same :) |
| 12:26:29 | midkay_ | what the devil!! Bagder, I can't modify my doom post because it's 'locked'! insane! :) |
| 12:27:06 | darkless | what's the link for lostlogic's wiki again? |
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| 12:27:27 | midkay_ | lostlogic's wiki? SoftwareCodecPlayback? |
| 12:27:52 | darkless | that might be it... he referred to something on "his wiki" |
| 12:28:13 | midkay_ | hm, probably 'his wiki page', which would be SoftwareCodecPlayback. |
| 12:29:59 | darkless | alright, I'll take a look at it. Thanks |
| 12:37:35 | sayocean | DAYUMMMMM |
| 12:37:37 | sayocean | shakira is so hot |
| 12:38:30 | sayocean | FO SHO her hips DONT LIE |
| 12:39:16 | sayocean | OOOH so lucious |
| 12:39:19 | sayocean | dammmn |
| 12:40:32 | sayocean | FUCK JLo |
| 12:40:37 | sayocean | Shakira is where its at |
| 12:46:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: r u around? |
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| 13:15:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes. |
| 13:15:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: Could you please take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX whether I've added the mini 2g correctly? |
| 13:16:31 | amiconn | I would also like to know what's needed for the optional FAT32 conversion? |
| 13:16:34 | | Part qwisp |
| 13:16:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm just reading it now. |
| 13:17:16 | amiconn | I suppose the mbr file is just sector 0 of the ipod's hd? |
| 13:17:17 | linuxstb | Just do "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-mini2g.bin count=1" and add that file to the table. (assuming you have a "standard" partitioning setup) |
| 13:17:33 | linuxstb | Yes, exactly. |
| 13:17:34 | amiconn | I have. It was created by the latest ipod updater |
| 13:18:18 | amiconn | How can I figure out which is the correct firmware image within the ipod updater app? |
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| 13:20:45 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean - the Mini is already listed in the table in step e) in the conversion instructions. |
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| 13:21:39 | linuxstb | But yes, your changes seem perfect. |
| 13:21:53 | amiconn | Must have been blind... |
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| 13:23:32 | linuxstb | BTW, did you do your bootloader installation from Windows or Linux? |
| 13:24:16 | amiconn | windows |
| 13:25:01 | linuxstb | That's good. I just wanted to check that ipodpatcher doesn't have problems detecting a mini. |
| 13:25:11 | linuxstb | (I'm assuming you used it) |
| 13:25:33 | amiconn | Therefore I am sure my update to IpodInstallation is correct, but I was not sure whether the Os X instruction update was correct |
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| 13:25:45 | amiconn | I never came near a recent MacOS box |
| 13:25:55 | amiconn | The newest MacOS I know is 7.x |
| 13:26:23 | amiconn | Yes I used ipodpatcher |
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| 14:09:52 | Membrillo | anyone know why http://www.rockbox.org/auto/output/last5.html isnt updated anymore? |
| 14:10:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: I've now added the mini2g mbr, and changed the links in the mbr table to use %ATTACHURL% instead of hard-coded absolute urls... |
| 14:11:48 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. |
| 14:13:10 | amiconn | There's another way to figure out the disk number on windows than just trying every number |
| 14:14:46 | webmind | hmm, is there no way to detect a low battery on the nano? it crashes rather nasty when it's empty |
| 14:15:01 | webmind | and it's rather bad to drain li-ion batteries afaik |
| 14:19:10 | amiconn | All LiIon targets have hardware low-bat protection, 'cause that's required |
| 14:19:42 | amiconn | It was discussed numerous times whether rockbox should shut down before reaching the hw shutdown threshold |
| 14:20:39 | amiconn | Imho we should not do that. It would artificially shorten battery runtime |
| 14:22:00 | Membrillo | the hardware is more of a last resort safety measure though. not for everyday use |
| 14:27:14 | amiconn | The ipod hardware shutdown already happens above 3.0V |
| 14:27:29 | amiconn | ...which is more than sufficient, imho |
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| 14:41:53 | Moos | amiconn: ping? |
| 14:42:31 | amiconn | pong |
| 14:42:42 | Moos | Hello |
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| 14:55:50 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 14:56:28 | Moos | Yo |
| 14:56:57 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 15:01:58 | webguest35 | hi, is there any wy i can keep the backlight on continuously if I'm using sudoku ? |
| 15:02:25 | Galois | yes? |
| 15:02:42 | Galois | go into settings and manually change the backlight setting to "On" |
| 15:03:22 | webguest35 | huh, didn't realise that was there, thanks, i'll create a config for it |
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| 15:19:35 | webguest35 | heh, I've so many config's on my main screen I'm having to scroll down to get to them, need a smaller font |
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| 15:38:58 | lostlogic | w00t, my latest track skipping rework seems pretty dern good. |
| 15:39:13 | lostlogic | will commit after more testing. |
| 15:39:21 | petur | commit commit commit |
| 15:39:23 | petur | :D |
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| 15:39:49 | petur | saw my post in the h300 subforum? |
| 15:40:32 | Jungti1234 | ouch |
| 15:41:41 | amiconn | lostlogic: Did you see Slasheri's remark this morning? |
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| 15:41:47 | amiconn | (euro-morning that is) |
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| 15:49:02 | Rob2222_ | Anyone know, why the file rename feature at H340 doesnt work? |
| 15:49:55 | petur | hmmm really? |
| 15:50:26 | Rob2222_ | i had problems with copy&paste, too |
| 15:50:37 | Rob2222_ | i just update to latest cvs and test again |
| 15:50:37 | amiconn | Rob2222_: What problem did you encounter? Error msg when renaming? |
| 15:50:42 | Rob2222_ | yes |
| 15:50:48 | Rob2222_ | and renaming doesnt work |
| 15:50:58 | amiconn | Did you try to rename just uppercase<->lowercase? |
| 15:51:11 | amiconn | That's not possible |
| 15:51:12 | petur | I could have a look tonight |
| 15:51:27 | amiconn | Also: dircache enabled or disabled? |
| 15:51:38 | Rob2222_ | enabled always |
| 15:51:53 | Rob2222_ | i try without |
| 15:52:30 | amiconn | I bet it works w/o dirache... |
| 15:52:48 | Rob2222_ | no, i try to rename battery_bench.txt to battery_bench.txtA f.e. |
| 15:52:59 | Rob2222_ | right |
| 15:53:04 | Rob2222_ | works WO DC |
| 15:53:48 | Rob2222_ | i had problems with copy&past, too. version was a cvs from last sunday. dircache enabled |
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| 15:58:34 | amiconn | No wonder I didn't notice the problem... |
| 15:58:38 | Rob2222_ | Well, yes. Problem exists still in the latest CVS version, but only with dircache enabled. |
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| 15:58:58 | Rob2222 | amiconn: Didnt use dircache? |
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| 16:00:33 | Kyomi | weee |
| 16:00:42 | amiconn | Rob2222: Except for a quick test, I never used dircache |
| 16:00:50 | Kyomi | Alright... how do you insert a new line with the text-editor plugin? |
| 16:01:21 | amiconn | I don't like it, and I don't need it |
| 16:01:24 | Kyomi | Oh.. and just what exactly is tagcache.. and why is it at -1% complete? |
| 16:01:26 | Rob2222 | amiconn: Why? It boosts the filebrowser. |
| 16:01:41 | Kyomi | Rob2222: I honestly didn't notice a different |
| 16:01:45 | Kyomi | difference* |
| 16:02:25 | lostlogic | amiconn: yes, the features he was speaking of are not to be lost, for that matter, because of his comment, I've readded them in a way that doesn't require special case handling in track skipping already. |
| 16:03:06 | lostlogic | if there are 'special' situations then the code is wrong, IMO. |
| 16:03:18 | amiconn | Rob2222: (1) It takes away RAM. (2) It only boosts the browser if the disk isn't already spinning. (3) It doesn't help at all if directory voicing is enabled using audio clips (4) It adds complexity, and therefore bugs... |
| 16:03:23 | Rob2222 | No difference between dircache enabled and disabled? At my H300 he spins up the disc every time i press the button for filebrowser. thats good a 500-1000ms delay |
| 16:04:10 | Rob2222 | hehe ok @ amiconn ;) |
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| 16:04:32 | Moos | lostlogic: Hi, I hope there will not be "clash" you vs Slasheri (collaboration is always benefit) |
| 16:04:35 | daurnimator | hey |
| 16:04:53 | Rob2222 | amiconn: Is the saved ram with DC disabled used for buffering MP3 files then? |
| 16:06:00 | linuxstb | Rob2222: Yes. |
| 16:06:23 | linuxstb | The buffer used by dircache is allocated at boot-time from the audio buffer. |
| 16:06:36 | daurnimator | does any1 here have an archos? |
| 16:06:36 | petur | size? |
| 16:07:03 | linuxstb | petur: I think you can check it in the debug menu. |
| 16:08:07 | amiconn | daurnimator: Yes, me, several |
| 16:08:29 | daurnimator | what about gminis? |
| 16:09:20 | amiconn | none |
| 16:09:53 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't run on gmini. There is an incomplete gmini port, but development was halted a while ago |
| 16:10:21 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 16:10:25 | daurnimator | i know |
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| 16:10:37 | daurnimator | i want to find out what it takes to get rockbox ported |
| 16:10:59 | linuxstb | A _lot_ of work. Which player are you looking at. |
| 16:11:00 | linuxstb | ? |
| 16:11:18 | daurnimator | 402 |
| 16:12:05 | amiconn | oh |
| 16:12:24 | linuxstb | There's a little info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos#Gmini_400_402_402cc |
| 16:12:26 | amiconn | The 400 series is a completely different beast than the (partially ported to) 1xx and 2xx |
| 16:13:16 | daurnimator | i know all about archopen |
| 16:13:28 | daurnimator | gligli just found an exploit in the 402 |
| 16:13:38 | daurnimator | and he made a demo |
| 16:13:52 | daurnimator | now i wanna get something more than a demo going |
| 16:13:53 | daurnimator | :P |
| 16:14:45 | linuxstb | What does the demo do? Does it use the native LCD/audio drivers? |
| 16:15:00 | linuxstb | By "native", I mean the Archos firmware. |
| 16:15:07 | daurnimator | no idea |
| 16:15:08 | daurnimator | i ran it |
| 16:15:11 | daurnimator | it has credits |
| 16:15:20 | daurnimator | and a fire graphic in the bg |
| 16:15:38 | daurnimator | i also compiled it myself, and it worked fine |
| 16:18:21 | lostlogic | new track skipping code in CVS, I Haven't Broken It Yet. |
| 16:18:28 | linuxstb | Do you have a URL about that exploit? |
| 16:18:54 | Moos | lostlogic: let's try :P |
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| 16:20:13 | daurnimator | linuxstb: yes |
| 16:20:33 | daurnimator | want it? |
| 16:20:37 | daurnimator | :S |
| 16:20:52 | daurnimator | (the files, or the 20 word forum post on it)? |
| 16:21:15 | linuxstb | daurnimator: I think I've found the forum thread at gmini400.com |
| 16:21:24 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 16:22:07 | daurnimator | btw, /j #archopen |
| 16:22:09 | daurnimator | :P |
| 16:22:31 | daurnimator | forum post: http://gmini400.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=73&topic=2030.0 |
| 16:23:56 | daurnimator | src of the exploit: http://sfx.gligli.free.fr/gmini/402/402exploit1311.zip |
| 16:24:08 | daurnimator | exploit itself: http://sfx.gligli.free.fr/gmini/402/402demo1311.zip |
| 16:28:24 | lostlogic | damn, there is still some way that a track change fails resulting in being dumped back to the browser. What am I handling wrong!/ |
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| 16:29:57 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 16:29:57 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 16:30:49 | Mikachu | lostlogic: seeking to the end of the track did it for me |
| 16:30:51 | Mikachu | if that helps |
| 16:31:30 | linuxstb | daurnimator: There's enough info in that exploit to start a Rockbox port... It just needs one person to start it. |
| 16:31:46 | Mikachu | lostlogic: it did switch to the next track first, but then dropped me out |
| 16:32:21 | daurnimator | linuxstb: who could i talk to? |
| 16:32:22 | daurnimator | :S |
| 16:33:06 | RedBreva | anyone know the mAh rating for the standard iPod batteries and if they are LiOn or NiMh? or does it vary from model to model? |
| 16:34:04 | lostlogic | Mikachu: hmm, interesting, thanks. I have a logf of it doing it so hopefully I can decipher it. |
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| 16:36:56 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i seeked to near the end but not to the very end, and it skipped the next song too |
| 16:37:24 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i think there was a very brief "codec failure" popup |
| 16:37:32 | lostlogic | yeah, I seem to have a problem with buffer fills resuming at the wrong place, or clearing the wrong tracks, according to this log. Investigation ensues. |
| 16:37:36 | Mikachu | i can at least say there was an outline for a box :) |
| 16:37:42 | Mikachu | okay |
| 16:38:07 | petur | I had codec failures when skipping AAC songs |
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| 16:41:51 | linuxstb | daurnimator: If you're not planning on working on the port yourself, you need to try and persuade other gmini owners to do it. I don't think any existing Rockbox developers own one, and you will probably have no luck persuading any of us to buy one... |
| 16:42:13 | daurnimator | but its such a great gadget |
| 16:42:14 | daurnimator | :S |
| 16:42:20 | linuxstb | But there are always people around here that could answer Rockbox-related questions. |
| 16:42:32 | daurnimator | i only know high level coding |
| 16:42:38 | daurnimator | i can't do anything low level - at all |
| 16:42:47 | linuxstb | Do you know C? |
| 16:42:57 | daurnimator | not really |
| 16:43:01 | daurnimator | just a little bit |
| 16:43:32 | Jungti1234 | hey lostlogic |
| 16:45:21 | lostlogic | hey Jungti1234 |
| 16:45:26 | Jungti1234 | ok |
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| 16:50:43 | Jungti1234 | hi webtguest45 |
| 16:50:52 | Jungti1234 | Speak |
| 16:51:39 | webguest45 | Hi |
| 16:51:50 | webguest45 | ì™“ì¸„ìœ ì–´ë‚´ìž„ |
| 16:51:50 | Jungti1234 | :P |
| 16:52:00 | webguest45 | ì•Œìœ ë˜ë¼ì´? |
| 16:52:04 | Jungti1234 | Hangul can't see. |
| 16:52:06 | webguest45 | 오우 나ì´ìŠ¤íˆ¬ 미츄 투 |
| 16:52:09 | Mikachu | i can see it :) |
| 16:52:12 | Mikachu | but i can't read it |
| 16:52:13 | webguest45 | Fuck u |
| 16:52:13 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 16:52:17 | Jungti1234 | .. |
| 16:52:19 | webguest45 | u = japaness |
| 16:52:24 | webguest45 | Fuck !! |
| 16:52:29 | Jungti1234 | 'JAPANESE' |
| 16:52:29 | daurnimator | æ |
| 16:52:30 | webguest45 | japanes !! |
| 16:52:37 | Mikachu | webguest45: are you stupid? |
| 16:52:41 | webguest45 | im chanes |
| 16:52:43 | Jungti1234 | He went mad. |
| 16:52:44 | webguest45 | no |
| 16:52:45 | webguest45 | nono |
| 16:53:05 | webguest45 | i look like slilly u |
| 16:53:42 | daurnimator | æÆôÄïïîìøòûùÿöè¦£Ø |
| 16:53:57 | webguest45 | Fuck u !1 |
| 16:55:07 | Moos | no ops here : ( |
| 16:55:14 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 16:55:44 | webguest45 | where r u from that all |
| 16:56:05 | webguest45 | Can You Dig It Sucka !!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
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| 16:58:28 | Moos | is someone using VMware around? |
| 16:58:36 | dpassen2 | I swear this channel used to be more civilized |
| 16:58:43 | webguest45 | im japanes |
| 16:58:47 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 16:58:54 | webguest45 | Fuck korea |
| 16:58:57 | webguest45 | kk |
| 16:59:02 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 16:59:14 | Gena | Moos: why? |
| 16:59:15 | webguest45 | Fuck You |
| 16:59:21 | Jungti1234 | Did you go mad? |
| 16:59:30 | Jungti1234 | Are you crazy? |
| 16:59:34 | Moos | Gena: do you? |
| 16:59:40 | webguest45 | and u? |
| 16:59:49 | Gena | Moos: sometimes... |
| 16:59:49 | webguest45 | DDo RRA I Dl kk |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:11 | Kyomi | o.O |
| 17:00:12 | Moos | Gena: Rockbox image I mean |
| 17:00:23 | webguest45 | u DDo RA I kk |
| 17:00:24 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 17:00:25 | Gena | oooh... |
| 17:00:53 | webguest45 | Michin Nom GalGunDa |
| 17:00:58 | webguest45 | im japaness |
| 17:01:02 | Moos | Gena: no problem, thanks anyway |
| 17:01:02 | webguest45 | Fuck korea |
| 17:01:28 | Moos | webguest45: you don't show a good image of japanes |
| 17:01:46 | Mikachu | he was chinese 5 minutes ago |
| 17:01:56 | webguest45 | that`s all right |
| 17:02:04 | Moos | hehe, didn't check |
| 17:02:12 | Moos | just a silly guy then |
| 17:02:17 | Moos | : ) |
| 17:02:20 | webguest45 | thx ^^; |
| 17:02:26 | Moos | np |
| 17:02:29 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 17:02:32 | Jungti1234 | Moos :) |
| 17:02:40 | webguest45 | thanks !!! |
| 17:02:55 | webguest45 | i`dont say that again it |
| 17:03:03 | webguest45 | lol |
| 17:03:07 | webguest45 | noob ^^: |
| 17:03:27 | Jungti1234 | An English text book? |
| 17:03:43 | webguest45 | do you mind if i close the windwo? |
| 17:04:00 | webguest45 | Yeap ! |
| 17:04:44 | webguest45 | im korean and Japaness = ZZAmBBong MAn . understanding? |
| 17:05:03 | Jungti1234 | I can't trust it. |
| 17:05:50 | webguest45 | that `s why you still are DDo RRA I zz |
| 17:05:52 | RedBreva | I am using VMware with RB Image if it's anything I can help with... |
| 17:05:57 | Jungti1234 | You may close window, please. |
| 17:06:01 | webguest45 | Shout up !! |
| 17:06:05 | Jungti1234 | SHUT |
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| 17:06:29 | Mikachu | lets go blow this guy |
| 17:06:37 | webguest45 | I might seem silly that see all of them |
| 17:06:39 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 17:06:46 | warthawg | well, rats. good news and bad news about my rockbox review. i won't be doing it. that's the bad news. the good news is that someone else will, and it might get published today. |
| 17:06:56 | Jungti1234 | I can't understand his speech. |
| 17:07:02 | webguest45 | DDong SSA SSi BA RA !!! |
| 17:07:16 | webguest45 | A GGA Ri DAg Chu !! |
| 17:07:22 | webguest45 | DDong Ne Na !! |
| 17:07:24 | webguest45 | kkkk |
| 17:07:38 | warthawg | what curious speech |
| 17:07:41 | Jungti1234 | What are you talking about? |
| 17:07:50 | Moos | RedBreva: I just tried it (Cygwin before) and when I typed the cvs command for grab the sources, that complained about no www.rockbox.org. known? any thought |
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| 17:08:10 | webguest45 | about Your private life |
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| 17:08:34 | warthawg | i never have a private life, on the first date |
| 17:08:41 | Jungti1234 | He is abuseing in Korean. |
| 17:08:44 | webguest45 | Curious = Yadong ? |
| 17:08:58 | webguest45 | Thx !! |
| 17:09:33 | RedBreva | I have just done a cvs up -dP with no problems at all... |
| 17:09:34 | warthawg | i speak korean. samsung! |
| 17:09:40 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 17:09:42 | Jungti1234 | LG |
| 17:09:48 | warthawg | good good :) |
| 17:09:54 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 17:10:25 | webguest45 | Fuck = samsung LG |
| 17:10:31 | warthawg | goodness |
| 17:10:34 | webguest45 | DooSan !! |
| 17:10:41 | webguest45 | DooSan !!! |
| 17:10:46 | webguest45 | Gom kk |
| 17:11:01 | Jungti1234 | he is chinese? |
| 17:11:15 | RedBreva | Worked in Cygwin too, although about 10 times slower! |
| 17:11:29 | webguest45 | Fuck You !! |
| 17:11:40 | warthawg | I almost got to visit Wonsan Harbor a long time ago, glad i missed the chance |
| 17:11:57 | webguest45 | korean? |
| 17:12:02 | Jungti1234 | China does well imitate. |
| 17:12:15 | webguest45 | dong ham |
| 17:12:31 | Jungti1234 | wow, Wonsan? |
| 17:12:34 | lostlogic | Is there scrolling for long menu names? |
| 17:12:37 | webguest45 | no imitate |
| 17:12:38 | lostlogic | Will there be if not? |
| 17:12:41 | Moos | RedBreva: yes worked in Cygwin too, but not on VMware for me, trying to find out |
| 17:12:46 | Jungti1234 | warthawg: There is North Korea. |
| 17:12:46 | webguest45 | imitation |
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| 17:12:52 | Moos | lostlogic: yep |
| 17:12:57 | webguest45 | im south korean kk |
| 17:12:57 | warthawg | Jungtil1234 yep, i just mssed being on the pueblo before she was captured |
| 17:13:03 | webguest45 | Fuck Chines !! |
| 17:13:23 | warthawg | pueblo == us spy ship captured by north korea |
| 17:13:37 | warthawg | a guy who worked for me went instead |
| 17:13:49 | Jungti1234 | um? |
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| 17:14:34 | Jungti1234 | Did they capture ship? |
| 17:14:36 | RedBreva | Hmmm, found a few battery configs, but cannot find Nano or 5G capacity .... |
| 17:14:46 | warthawg | yes, they did, and towed her into Wonsan Harbor |
| 17:15:00 | Jungti1234 | oh.. |
| 17:15:03 | Jungti1234 | and? |
| 17:15:13 | warthawg | she is still there, i think, they released the crew about a year later |
| 17:15:13 | lostlogic | Hmm, I wonder why changing the number of characters in the main menu would cause scrolling not to work |
| 17:15:41 | Jungti1234 | It's misfortune... |
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| 17:16:41 | lostlogic | hmm... nvm, I see. |
| 17:17:02 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: how long will you be around for? |
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| 17:17:14 | Jungti1234 | Perhaps, must go now. |
| 17:17:20 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: we' |
| 17:17:27 | Jungti1234 | um? |
| 17:17:38 | Jungti1234 | here is 00:17 |
| 17:18:01 | Hansmaulwurf | hm the bitrate detection in the todays daily build is really fucked up |
| 17:18:09 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: tomorrow, /msg me and I'll make a patch for you to test (I should be home in 12 hours) |
| 17:18:19 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 17:18:23 | Hansmaulwurf | shows not a single bitrate right |
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| 17:19:08 | Moos | lostlogic: I never noticed this before : ) |
| 17:19:28 | Jungti1234 | I knew. |
| 17:19:43 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
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| 17:23:22 | goffa_ | <- almost didn't make it through cpr training this morning... about dozed during the vid |
| 17:23:25 | Moos | lostlogic, amiconn....: what can made the cpu boost all time in the browser screen (x/o audio) ? it is the case for iaudios currently |
| 17:23:31 | goffa_ | lack of sleep last night probably |
| 17:23:39 | Moos | *w/o |
| 17:26:13 | lostlogic | Moos: some thread doesn't deboost :-P |
| 17:26:37 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 17:26:52 | warthawg | goffa_ it does seem like i saw you in here pretty late last night |
| 17:26:53 | Moos | it seems Linus is in vacations |
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| 17:27:32 | lostlogic | Moos: A quick look says that if you stop audio playback during a buffer fill, it could get stuck, so I destuck it. |
| 17:27:34 | goffa_ | yeah... only midnight |
| 17:27:34 | Moos | lostlogic: cause on X5 poor runtime, 124mhz just for browser screen... :) |
| 17:27:41 | goffa_ | but i have to be at work at 7 |
| 17:27:49 | goffa_ | so that means i have to get up at 6 or so |
| 17:27:59 | warthawg | can rockbox play tunes on ipod put there by apple itunes? |
| 17:28:01 | lostlogic | Moos: otherwise, I'm guessing the new tagcache thread, but only because I remember it having a problem of that sort before |
| 17:28:07 | goffa_ | i get tomorrow off ... that helps |
| 17:28:19 | Moos | lostlogic: oh |
| 17:30:31 | RedBreva | just looked in the code, and it seems that all the ipods have an assumed 1300 mAh capacity... but the actual figures can vary from 400 (Mini 1G) to 700(Photo/Color/4G) |
| 17:30:44 | lostlogic | RedBreva: we know. |
| 17:31:01 | lostlogic | RedBreva: some peopel are working on a way to have more flexible battery level monitoring |
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| 17:31:21 | amiconn | RedBreva: Shouldn't that read 1700 for 4g/color/photo? |
| 17:31:33 | linuxstb | Moos: Other people have noticed the CPU being boosted without reason - I don't think it's an X5-specific issue. |
| 17:32:24 | RedBreva | Not according to http://ipodbattyfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
| 17:32:28 | Moos | linuxstb: oh, never noticed it on iriver, let me try |
| 17:33:00 | amiconn | It does happen on iriver - sometimes |
| 17:33:18 | Moos | ouch : ( |
| 17:33:38 | linuxstb | I've noticed it on my ipod. |
| 17:33:39 | Moos | serious thing to find out before the release then? |
| 17:33:48 | amiconn | RedBreva: Your url is lacking an 'er' |
| 17:34:17 | RedBreva | whoops! That about the 5th time today I made the same typo!! |
| 17:34:30 | warthawg | amiconn, did you have a chance to put the new voice file on the site? |
| 17:34:49 | RedBreva | Althought I quite like the idea of a Batty FAQ... |
| 17:36:20 | Moos | linuxstb/amiconn: at least on iriver h1xx 0% boost ratio when no audio... just browser screen, on X5 just this cost 100% activity constantly |
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| 17:36:59 | linuxstb | Do you have the same settings? Especially tagcache/dircache? |
| 17:37:17 | Moos | yep, but let me recheck |
| 17:37:52 | amiconn | Also check voice settings & presence of voice file(s) |
| 17:38:01 | Moos | ok |
| 17:38:03 | Gargamal1 | What does CPU boost mean? |
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| 17:38:43 | linuxstb | The CPU normally runs at a relatively slow speed, and is then boosted to the maximum when it's needed. |
| 17:41:05 | amiconn | Moos: As lostlogic said, some thread 'forgets' to unboost |
| 17:41:23 | Moos | yep, he is working on it |
| 17:41:33 | Moos | both have cahches set |
| 17:41:37 | Moos | caches |
| 17:41:57 | Moos | and presence of english+french voice on iriver only |
| 17:43:56 | Moos | amiconn: I'm silly voice was enabled on X5 |
| 17:44:10 | Moos | let me check the cpu activity now |
| 17:44:11 | amiconn | Voice is enabled by default, but this is a hint. |
| 17:44:22 | amiconn | Try putting a voice file on your x5, then reboot |
| 17:44:32 | Moos | ok |
| 17:44:44 | amiconn | Maybe rockbox forgets to unboost if voice is enabled but no voice file found... |
| 17:45:08 | lostlogic | Moos: what I'm working on only applies to if you stop playback when the buffer is filling. |
| 17:45:50 | Moos | ok |
| 17:48:23 | lostlogic | Moos: committed, I doubt it will change your problem though. |
| 17:49:40 | Moos | thanks anyway : ) |
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| 17:54:37 | Moos | amiconn: yep that was related to voices, when set to ON and no voices 100% activity |
| 17:56:28 | Moos | amiconn: a propos will be one release of voices for 3.0 ? (I know still AT&T license problems, but...) |
| 17:56:56 | amiconn | At least we will have english MS voice files |
| 17:57:11 | Moos | ok |
| 17:57:18 | amiconn | ...and I hope that the AT&T issue can be solved |
| 17:57:26 | goffa_ | hmm.. i had voice menus enabled |
| 17:57:28 | Moos | yeah indeed |
| 17:57:36 | goffa_ | wonder if batt life will improve |
| 17:58:02 | Moos | if you don't care about voices turn it off |
| 17:58:24 | Moos | if yes, go take voice file |
| 17:58:53 | warthawg | would it be possible for me to make my own voice file? |
| 17:59:21 | warthawg | that matches the daily build? |
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| 18:00:08 | Moos | .lang files have the voices entries, then I guess if you can build it yourself why not? |
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| 18:01:19 | lostlogic | yeah, I think amiconn has some scripts that need updating to read the new lang files to help with the process |
| 18:01:21 | warthawg | it seems the voice does not say the right thing to match the menus |
| 18:01:31 | Moos | lostlogic: just one I04: IllInstr for you : ) |
| 18:01:32 | lostlogic | warthawg: the lang files were recently reorganized |
| 18:01:39 | lostlogic | Moos: how'd you get it? |
| 18:01:41 | warthawg | tks, lostlogic |
| 18:01:53 | Moos | pause/stop thing |
| 18:02:05 | Moos | at 31063048 |
| 18:02:08 | lostlogic | Moos: hrm? pause and immediately stop? |
| 18:02:23 | Moos | few ms yes |
| 18:02:26 | lostlogic | gotcha |
| 18:02:38 | Moos | great no more paperclip needed with X5 |
| 18:02:49 | Moos | but that is without your very last change |
| 18:02:51 | lostlogic | nothing immediately comes to mind that would cause that, so I'll hafta look at it some time later. |
| 18:02:59 | lostlogic | doubt it will change |
| 18:03:04 | Moos | ok |
| 18:03:35 | Moos | lostlogic: if that can help, that was one resume playback |
| 18:03:43 | Moos | then pause...stop |
| 18:04:00 | amiconn | lostlogic: Your latest update increased binary size... |
| 18:04:07 | Moos | IllInstr at 31063048 |
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| 18:08:00 | * | goffa_ has never needed a paperclip for his x5 since rockbox |
| 18:08:05 | lostlogic | amiconn: there is more code in that version... by a lot? |
| 18:08:40 | Moos | goffa_: lucky, with irivers we need |
| 18:09:23 | goffa_ | looking forward to trying the update in an hour |
| 18:10:35 | Moos | goffa_: there is always cvs activity for Rockbox : ) |
| 18:11:00 | goffa_ | yeah... i know |
| 18:11:11 | goffa_ | but the multiple skip fix is going to be specifically cool |
| 18:11:29 | * | Moos is guilty cause addicte to this, and he is Psychologist : ) |
| 18:11:39 | Moos | addicted |
| 18:11:40 | goffa_ | he he he |
| 18:11:46 | goffa_ | yeah... i'm addicted too |
| 18:12:01 | Moos | welcome to the Rockbox club |
| 18:12:03 | goffa_ | but being able to improve your player every 6 hours or so is pretty damn cool |
| 18:12:12 | TeaSea | Rockbox > you |
| 18:13:09 | Moos | =we=Rockbox "Communauty"(dev+users) |
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| 18:14:04 | daurnimator | hey people |
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| 18:14:13 | goffa_ | di daurnimator |
| 18:14:14 | daurnimator | anychance of a dev being here? |
| 18:14:17 | goffa_ | he rhi :) |
| 18:14:20 | goffa_ | grr |
| 18:14:25 | goffa_ | can't type today |
| 18:14:38 | goffa_ | daurnimator: there are usually a lot of them lurking around |
| 18:14:50 | goffa_ | i think lostlogic is here |
| 18:15:09 | daurnimator | well, if you find one, tell them to have a look at porting rockbox to the gmini |
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| 18:15:20 | daurnimator | (gmini 402) |
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| 18:20:40 | lostlogic | BAGH, how does the buffer get off!? It looks like a perfectly normal automatic track change, but then the buffer read index is just foobar'd |
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| 18:29:44 | lostlogic | whoops, my debugging was bad :-( |
| 18:32:19 | lostlogic | ok, in all seriousness, which is 'better': maintaining pointers to the current and previous tracks, or maintaining indexes on the tracks ring buffer of the current and previous playing tracks? The tradeoff seems to be tracks[track_ridx].blah vs. cur_ti->blah, is there a real life difference between these two? |
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| 18:33:38 | goffa_ | hmm... couldn't tell you which was better.. .i don't know the code |
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| 18:34:23 | lostlogic | goffa_: it's a general C question, not a specific question |
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| 18:35:12 | lostlogic | I actually just went through and changed it to use tracks[track_ridx] consistently, but now I'm considering changing it all to use cur_ti, just because the code is shorter to read, and eventually we will probably have a linked list of tracks instead of a ring buffer any way. |
| 18:35:17 | kkurbjun | lostlogic, in the first case you're limitied by the size of the array you define correct? |
| 18:35:28 | daurn|afk | lostlogic: i just working with tracks[track_ridx].blah syntax better |
| 18:35:39 | daurn|afk | ^like |
| 18:35:42 | goffa_ | yeah... not a c programmer :) |
| 18:36:09 | kkurbjun | ahh, I don't really understand the ring buffer concept, I was thinking it was a linked list |
| 18:37:34 | lostlogic | daurn|afk: I'm inclined that way, which is why I changed it as I just did, just started having second thoughts, and wanted feedback. |
| 18:38:38 | daurn|afk | its your choice m8 |
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| 18:38:41 | daurn|afk | anyway |
| 18:38:43 | daurn|afk | i gtg |
| 18:38:44 | crashd | hows the playback looking atm lostlogic ? |
| 18:38:45 | daurn|afk | cyas later |
| 18:38:47 | lostlogic | later |
| 18:39:08 | lostlogic | crashd: pretty good, but it still has bugs. dropping out to stopped on codec change frequently is the worst, and what I'm currently working on |
| 18:40:03 | crashd | cool, good work on ironing out those bugs :. |
| 18:40:24 | crashd | : ) rather |
| 18:40:37 | Myth1 | hi guys. I have a question: Is there a tutorial available on how to write codecs? |
| 18:41:04 | lostlogic | I think I may have just zeroed into a specific function for the cause of the current one as well |
| 18:41:12 | crashd | \o |
| 18:41:15 | crashd | he's a debugging machine |
| 18:41:19 | lostlogic | pfft |
| 18:41:44 | linuxstb | Myth1: What do you mean by "write" ? Are you thinking about porting an existing codec to Rockbox? |
| 18:41:58 | lostlogic | Myth1: not that I know of, the easiest thing to do is to read the info on SoftwareCodecPlayback wiki page, and read one of the apps/codecs/*.c files |
| 18:42:13 | amiconn | lostlogic: I would prefer the linked list method, especially since we want to switch to buffering metadata between tracks anyway |
| 18:42:39 | lostlogic | amiconn: well I haven't written the linked list method yet, right now i'm just thinking about which way to point to the existing ring buffer. |
| 18:42:55 | Myth1 | linuxstb: Yes. I have been porting my sid-engine to various machines and I think rockbox should be no problem. it's just the codec api that seems to be a bit undocumented and I don't want to reverse engineer from existing codecs |
| 18:43:18 | crashd | oooh, sid! \o/ |
| 18:44:27 | lostlogic | it will probably be a 3 list system, 1) unplayed tracks forward on the buffer 2) played tracks still be on the buffer (need to make it detectable when a track goes off buffer for this) and 3) free tracks |
| 18:44:33 | Moos | lostlogic: the 100% thing I was talking about is related to playback :( |
| 18:44:44 | lostlogic | Moos: and still happen? |
| 18:44:55 | Moos | yeap and iriver too |
| 18:45:01 | Moos | easy way to reproduce |
| 18:45:14 | Moos | just play song stop it |
| 18:45:19 | amiconn | lostlogic: What is 'free tracks' in your concept? |
| 18:45:20 | Moos | and go debug audio |
| 18:45:32 | linuxstb | Myth1: I don't think the current Rockbox codec API will be very well suited to SID - it only supports streaming codecs at the moment. i.e. it consumes X bytes of data from the start of the audio buffer and gives back Y bytes of PCM data. |
| 18:45:40 | amiconn | I would think the linked list links the 'metadata headers' in the buffer |
| 18:45:57 | lostlogic | amiconn: extra pointers which currently point to nothing, but are linked to each other. |
| 18:46:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: and the metadata is not yet on the buffer |
| 18:46:08 | Moos | lostlogic: 100%boost and no audio, plus this thing doesn't happen if you start the device and don't start playback yet |
| 18:46:12 | amiconn | Where would these pointers be stored? |
| 18:46:17 | linuxstb | As lostlogic said, there isn't really any documentation - but there are only a small number of functions in the API, so it should be clear by looking at the existing codecs. |
| 18:46:36 | amiconn | lostlogic: Maybe it would be a good idea to perform the switch now? |
| 18:46:55 | lostlogic | amiconn: not yet, want to fix existing refactored stuff before doing more. |
| 18:47:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: and this is somethign that can (should) wait till after 3.0 |
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| 18:47:43 | amiconn | The ring buffer method has an extra limit that needs checking which is removed with a linked list |
| 18:48:15 | lostlogic | amiconn: yes, but it's easy, and it's already checked, so I'm not inclined to change it yet |
| 18:48:38 | Myth1 | lunuxstb: How is X calculated? If we use X as the complete sid file (which should be no problem <64k) then the codec could buffer the file. I guess the buffering could even be handled on the stack. |
| 18:48:39 | Moos | lostlogic: any thought about this cpu strange thing? can you replicate it on your device? |
| 18:49:14 | lostlogic | Moos: no thought yet, and am busy on other tasks ATM, sorry |
| 18:49:15 | amiconn | lostlogic: Hmm, okay. I thought it might make things easier right now... |
| 18:49:40 | lostlogic | amiconn: naw, would make the decision of t[i].b vs. c->b easy is all :_p |
| 18:49:54 | Mikachu | Myth1: i think the stack is nearer 8k than 64k |
| 18:49:58 | lostlogic | hmm... actually, the pending switch does make a case for changing to c->b now. |
| 18:50:04 | Myth1 | oh :( |
| 18:50:12 | Moos | loslogic: no problem, but isn't critcal things? ovecrclocking the cpu constantly... |
| 18:50:30 | amiconn | It's not overclocking |
| 18:50:31 | Myth1 | Mikachu: But I could allocate some static arrays in the codec file, i guess |
| 18:50:40 | amiconn | (well, actually it is on the X5, by 3%) |
| 18:50:45 | lostlogic | Moos: maybe kinda sorta :-P I'm surprised it didn't go away with my commit that should have made it go away. |
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| 18:51:07 | Moos | amiconn: reproducible in iriver too, always 100% boost :( |
| 18:51:13 | amiconn | Yes |
| 18:51:18 | Moos | lostlogic: ooops |
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| 18:51:39 | amiconn | I bet the same happens on ipod with the 'right' conditions |
| 18:52:07 | Moos | that strange that cpu work more when "nothing to do" than when codecs... |
| 18:53:01 | lostlogic | Moos: it's not working, just running at a higher speed |
| 18:53:27 | Moos | but for doing nothing special : ) |
| 18:54:54 | Moos | isn't cpu running have impact on batterie? |
| 18:55:16 | lostlogic | definitely |
| 18:55:27 | lostlogic | I'm not saying it won't get fixed, I'm just saying it's not a priority now. |
| 18:55:34 | Moos | (rethorical question) :P |
| 18:55:54 | Moos | ok, no problems |
| 18:56:58 | linuxstb | Myth1: Codecs have (currently, but we want to reduce it) 512KB of working memory available to them. |
| 18:57:42 | Myth1 | linuxstb: I see. Guess thats fine. I will have try and report my experience ;) |
| 18:58:52 | linuxstb | The codec API doesn't give you access to the disk directly - only to the audio buffer. You have two functions - one to get a pointer to X bytes of the audio buffer (which doesn't copy the data - you call another function to advance the pointer after you've processed it), and a "read" function which does copy the data. |
| 18:59:18 | linuxstb | In both cases, you are only guaranteed 32KB of data - the audio buffer is a ringbuffer, and that's the "guard size". |
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| 19:00:07 | Myth1 | but you can access the first 32kb and then request another 32kb and store that |
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| 19:00:30 | Myth1 | (in case the sid file is 64kb) |
| 19:00:50 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 19:00:55 | lostlogic | Hmm, I think my 'debugging' may actually fix some bugs, in which case I can go on to Moos' CPU boost issue. |
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| 19:01:11 | Myth1 | ok, that should suffice. guess it's not very clean but it should work |
| 19:01:28 | lostlogic | Myth1: you can request larger than 32k, you just aren't guaranteed to ge4t it in one read |
| 19:01:37 | Moos | lostlogic: it's your stuff, please do what do you think is prioritary : ) |
| 19:01:54 | Myth1 | lostlogic: Thanks for the info ;) |
| 19:02:08 | lostlogic | Myth1: just like reading a file doesn't guarantee said same. |
| 19:02:25 | Myth1 | are these api functions documented somewhere? The Codec audio playback wiki describes some background information but not on how to use the api |
| 19:02:38 | lostlogic | Myth1: code => documentation |
| 19:02:56 | Myth1 | no doxygen or whatever? |
| 19:03:10 | lostlogic | The comments are not doxygen compliant |
| 19:03:19 | lostlogic | but I've put a lot of work into making them useful and sufficient. |
| 19:04:10 | lostlogic | Myth1: and they work pretty much like similar read / advance functions would on a file handle. |
| 19:04:34 | lostlogic | Some of the codecs expected file operations with slightly different properties, and wrappers were created to simulate that. |
| 19:04:57 | lostlogic | see vorbis.c:seek_handler |
| 19:06:06 | lostlogic | and playback.c:codec_request_buffer_callback and codec_advance_buffer_callback |
| 19:06:32 | Myth1 | Am I right if I guess that the codecs are searched in the codecs folder so I could start by using the wav.c as a beginning, rename it to sid.c, compile it and put it into the codecs folder? |
| 19:07:00 | linuxstb | No, you need to add code to Rockbox itself as well. |
| 19:07:10 | Myth1 | in which file(s)? |
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| 19:07:30 | linuxstb | Various.... One moment. |
| 19:07:59 | lostlogic | Myth1: To tell it what files to load the sid codec for, specifically playback.c you'd need to specify a new codec type and path... not sure where else as I've not looked into the emtadata parsing code mcuh |
| 19:09:07 | linuxstb | Myth1: Look at http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html and look at the commit made at "2006 1 Feb 16:42". This was the AIFF codec being added to CVS, and shows all the changes needed to add a new codec. |
| 19:09:18 | Myth1 | ah great |
| 19:10:36 | obo | anyone here with flyspray admin rights? |
| 19:10:46 | linuxstb | Myth1: BTW, which player are you running Rockbox on? |
| 19:11:10 | Myth1 | I have ordered a iriver h320 |
| 19:11:13 | linuxstb | obo: What do you need doing? |
| 19:11:36 | obo | linuxstb: could you please change 5111 from a bug to a patch?? |
| 19:11:55 | Myth1 | hope that rockbox runs good on it, or should I give it back and take another device? |
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| 19:12:14 | linuxstb | obo: Done. |
| 19:12:20 | obo | thanks |
| 19:12:28 | linuxstb | Myth1: No, the h320 is a good choice. |
| 19:13:18 | * | Myth1 is reliefed |
| 19:14:32 | Myth1 | btw: Does the ui simulater simulate sound? |
| 19:14:49 | linuxstb | In theory, but I don't think it's working very well. |
| 19:15:06 | Myth1 | what does that mean? ;) |
| 19:15:53 | linuxstb | I haven't tried it recently, but some people have reported problems with it. i.e. it should work, but is buggy. Hopefully someone else can explain exactly what goes wrong. |
| 19:16:55 | Myth1 | ok |
| 19:19:05 | lostlogic | there was a problem because the sim didn't simulate rockbox's locking system at all, I'm not sure what the current issues are. |
| 19:20:05 | Myth1 | hey it works! |
| 19:20:15 | Myth1 | you guys are great |
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| 19:21:38 | linuxstb | Do you have any URLs to your sid engine? |
| 19:23:15 | Myth1 | unfortunately my account at university got deleted |
| 19:23:26 | crashd | if you want a mirror Myth1, feel free to drop me a line |
| 19:23:28 | crashd | or, use sf ;) |
| 19:23:36 | Myth1 | but you can try me directly at http://digital-vortex.dyndns.org |
| 19:24:14 | Myth1 | it's called TinySID and a win32/win64 port is available for download. if you want a linux or psp-version I can send it to you |
| 19:24:36 | linuxstb | I'm just interested in glancing at the source. |
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| 19:25:52 | Myth1 | linuxstb: I can send you the sources if you wish |
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| 19:26:57 | linuxstb | So it's not currently open source? |
| 19:27:16 | Myth1 | not yet, but thats no problem |
| 19:28:16 | linuxstb | Yes, I would be interested in having a look at the source. Just to see if I can see any potential problems with incorporating it into Rockbox. |
| 19:28:33 | Myth1 | ok, whats you email? |
| 19:31:18 | lostlogic | Moos: let me know if the commit I just did fixes your bosot problem, and if you have any additional audio jitter issues that you didn't before, and uhh generally if I broke anything new. |
| 19:32:02 | Moos | lostlogic: I will |
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| 19:38:04 | linuxstb | Myth1: The use of floating point in your codec will cause problems - none of the target devices have hardware FPUs. |
| 19:38:25 | Myth1 | oh no. I thought they do? |
| 19:38:59 | Myth1 | hmm |
| 19:39:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I heard the word "codec"... |
| 19:39:25 | linuxstb | We have a few developers (not me) who could probably give you some clues about converting it to fixed-point. |
| 19:39:35 | * | linuxstb prods preglow |
| 19:39:59 | Myth1 | that would be great |
| 19:40:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh. SID? |
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| 19:40:47 | Myth1 | i guess at a first step i could outcomment the filters. |
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| 19:41:27 | Moos | lostlogic: boost still here |
| 19:41:32 | Myth1 | concerning the ADSR values it should be possible to multiply them with by a constant factor and truncate them to fixed point |
| 19:41:51 | linuxstb | Myth1: Also, what samplerate does your player output? The H320 is only capable of 44.1KHz output. |
| 19:42:01 | Myth1 | samplerate is variable, no problem about that |
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| 19:44:32 | linuxstb | But in terms of memory, your 64KB static buffer will be fine. Codecs themselves can be up to 512KB (for both code and data). The 512KB buffer I mentioned earlier is in addition to that, and it looks like you won't need to use it. |
| 19:44:59 | amiconn | @ other devs: What would be the correct policy regarding credits for contributed game graphics? (No code, but they end up in the binary). |
| 19:45:08 | amiconn | I don't want to decide myself, I'm biased... |
| 19:45:56 | Moos | lostlogic: your are very close to have stable playback engine (it seems you fixed the little pop when skipping..) great |
| 19:46:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you just asking if the artists should be added to CREDITS? |
| 19:46:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:46:18 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, have you looked into the reason the ipod's don't set the frequency correctly in doom? also, does sound work in rockboy on ipods? and finally do you want me to just have doom output at 44k for ipods? |
| 19:47:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think they should - if the game graphics were designed specifically for Rockbox. We still need to think of a way to credit authors of third-party code (such as the codecs) who haven't directly contributed code to Rockbox. |
| 19:47:50 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I'm waiting for LinusN to be around - I have a question for him about the uda1380 driver in Rockbox. |
| 19:47:56 | amiconn | My sis created improved 10x8 tiles for chessbox (archos), and new 13x13 tiles (mini)... |
| 19:48:15 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, ok, so I'll just leave doom alone for now then |
| 19:48:33 | linuxstb | I think the solution will be to implement 11.025KHz output in the ipod audio drivers. |
| 19:48:45 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, is sound working in rockboy on ipods? |
| 19:48:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so. |
| 19:48:56 | kkurbjun | I believe it outputs at 11k too.. |
| 19:49:07 | amiconn | 11kHz are possible on river as well |
| 19:49:22 | kkurbjun | yep it does |
| 19:49:23 | amiconn | ...and 22kHz too |
| 19:49:34 | linuxstb | That was my question - I've always thought it was 44.1KHz only, but looking at the driver, I saw that 11.025 and 22.050 were implemented... |
| 19:49:45 | amiconn | Yes, but nothing else |
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| 19:50:08 | linuxstb | OK, I'll implement them on the ipods then. |
| 19:50:35 | crashd | [18:12] [@crashd(+i) (zZzZ)] [2:#freeks(+nst)] [Act: 10,11] |
| 19:50:35 | crashd | [#freeks] |
| 19:50:35 | crashd | 18:08 <@Bobbles> does that make me craaaaaaaazy |
| 19:50:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: If I read the ipl sources correctly, 11kHz won't be possible on all ipods |
| 19:50:38 | lostlogic | Moos: yeah, that pop and the dropping out to browser were all the same issue... 7 bytes at the end of some tracks that the codec never accessed. |
| 19:50:39 | crashd | sigh. |
| 19:50:41 | crashd | sorry about that guys |
| 19:50:46 | crashd | irssi went batshit |
| 19:50:48 | amiconn | s/all/some/ |
| 19:50:54 | lostlogic | Moos: still boost by start, pause, stop eh? |
| 19:50:56 | lostlogic | Moos: very strange. |
| 19:51:46 | Moos | lostlogic: just play tune, and then stop it, and go debug audio−−>100%boost |
| 19:52:01 | Moos | w/o sound runing |
| 19:52:30 | kkurbjun | amiconn, is 22k possible on those ipode? |
| 19:52:31 | lostlogic | I'll check it out eventually, I was hopeing that just taking out that pcmbuf_boost_mode shit that I hated any way would fix it :) |
| 19:52:34 | kkurbjun | ipods that is |
| 19:52:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: My understanding is that only the WM8975 supports all sample rates. WM8758, WM8731 etc only support 8kHz, or >=32 kHz |
| 19:52:52 | Moos | lostlogic: hehe : ) |
| 19:53:26 | amiconn | lostlogic: Why does the buffering boost btw? Is it just to speed up disk reading? |
| 19:53:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: no idea, which is why it's gone now. buffering will boost if the pcm buffer runs low. |
| 19:53:54 | amiconn | If so, that should besolved soon by a global boost-on-disk-read in the ata driver |
| 19:54:07 | lostlogic | amiconn: sounds good then. |
| 19:54:13 | amiconn | ATA is *way* faster when boosted |
| 19:54:22 | Moos | Great |
| 19:54:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: The WM8758 (5g) does support the full range - WM8758 is > WM8975... |
| 19:54:32 | amiconn | on oldfire, that is |
| 19:54:35 | lostlogic | ah, maybe I shouldn't have jumped the gun on it, but generally, it will boost when filling any way to keep the codec happy |
| 19:54:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah ok. |
| 19:54:58 | amiconn | Still, not all ipods suppport 11kHz |
| 19:55:19 | amiconn | s/oldfire/coldfire/ |
| 19:56:06 | linuxstb | No, but they also don't yet support Doom (nudge, nudge...) |
| 19:56:29 | amiconn | meh :( |
| 19:56:39 | amiconn | They will with the grayscale lib... |
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| 19:59:56 | Myth1 | linuxstb: I had a look at the source again: The fixed point can be easily converted to integer arithmetic. The floats are only used for a precalculation concerning the sample-rate. After recompiling with integer calculcations I didn't hear any difference ;) |
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| 20:02:49 | linuxstb | Good news. |
| 20:03:16 | linuxstb | It should be relatively easy to get it working under Rockbox then. |
| 20:04:55 | linuxstb | Have you looked at the changes needed to get_metadata() function? This is used to get information such as track title/artist/genre etc, running time, file format.. Not sure how much of that is applicable to SIDs. |
| 20:06:40 | Mikachu | lostlogic: you've made it so the wps doesn't switch to the next song until it actually starts playing? |
| 20:06:50 | Mikachu | lostlogic: the current track wps track still changes in advance though |
| 20:06:58 | Mikachu | s/track/tag/2 |
| 20:10:37 | Myth1 | linuxstb: I'll have a look at it |
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| 20:18:25 | Myth1 | metadata.c looks straightforward. that should be no problem, thanks for the tip! |
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| 20:28:10 | lostlogic | Mikachu: not sure I follow. |
| 20:28:33 | Mikachu | lostlogic: did the first part make sense? |
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| 20:28:48 | Mikachu | maybe i was dreaming, i will check again |
| 20:30:00 | Mikachu | no i was right |
| 20:30:21 | Mikachu | lostlogic: earlier today, when i reached near the end of a track, the wps would show the next song with the progress bar at 0 until the last song finished |
| 20:30:27 | Mikachu | lostlogic: but now it waits until it actually does finish |
| 20:30:39 | Mikachu | lostlogic: but the wps tag that shows the current playlist number does change ahead of time |
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| 20:31:56 | Mikachu | seeking to the end still drops out to filebrowser btw |
| 20:32:13 | SereR0kR | http://www.rettet-manfred.de.vu/ |
| 20:32:46 | lostlogic | Mikachu: hmm... playlist number... frustration... going to ignore that for now. |
| 20:32:48 | SereR0kR | sry |
| 20:33:03 | Mikachu | SereR0kR: it is a worthy cause |
| 20:33:09 | lostlogic | Mikachu: alright, I'll eventually look into that seeking to the end thing... is this only when you seek to the very end? |
| 20:33:41 | lostlogic | I think I have an infinite loop of some sort that keeps posting audio_stop events to the queue, but I can't figure out wat for the life of me. |
| 20:33:48 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 20:34:01 | Mikachu | something weird happened if i let the song play until the playlist number changed and then seeked to the end |
| 20:34:08 | Mikachu | it just sat there |
| 20:34:16 | Mikachu | but that's probably related to the other thing |
| 20:34:21 | lostlogic | Mikachu: Hmm, good find. maybe. |
| 20:35:18 | Mikachu | %pp is the tag i'm talking about in case it was unclear |
| 20:36:26 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yeah, I figured it out now |
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| 20:36:54 | lostlogic | probable solution is just to not update that tag unless the playing song changes |
| 20:37:06 | lostlogic | but I'm not much interested in fixing that one. |
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| 20:38:07 | amiconn | Bah. There's a bazillion places which use delay loops, all with different delays. It seems I need to add a call to a recalculation function for all of the to set_cpu_frequency() |
| 20:38:19 | amiconn | *all of them |
| 20:38:44 | lostlogic | amiconn: yuck |
| 20:39:03 | amiconn | Any ideas how this could be implemented in a reader-friendly way? |
| 20:40:05 | amiconn | There already is that call to timer_adjust_prescale(). Then on H300, we need to readjust the pcf i2c delay, on H1x0 the adc serial delay instead |
| 20:40:37 | amiconn | The remote lcd delay should also be handled in a clean way, i.e. in set_cpu_frequency... |
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| 21:00:34 | Myth1 | what does ci->configure(CODEC_DSP_ENABLE, (bool *)true); do? |
| 21:00:43 | lostlogic | damn, I can't figure out how it gets into this loop. |
| 21:00:50 | Mikachu | looks like it enables the codec dsp :) |
| 21:01:05 | Myth1 | it enables playback? |
| 21:01:18 | Myth1 | ok |
| 21:01:27 | Mikachu | i don't know |
| 21:01:33 | Myth1 | and what are valid frequency rates for ci->configure(DSP_SET_FREQUENCY, ...); ? |
| 21:02:21 | lostlogic | Myth1: only 44100 is supported officially on rockbox so far, I think. |
| 21:02:34 | Myth1 | ok, thanks |
| 21:02:35 | linuxstb | The DSP in that context is the part of Rockbox that handles things like resampling, crossfeed, EQ. It used to be optional for codecs to use it, but I think it's now compulsory. So just set it to true like all the other codecs. |
| 21:02:40 | lostlogic | Myth1: the DSP enable decides whether codec output will go straight to the pcm buffer, or through the DSP |
| 21:02:56 | Myth1 | ah, i see |
| 21:03:08 | lostlogic | disabling it is a bad idea as I don't think that path is at all tested |
| 21:03:16 | Myth1 | now what I don't understand is this: ci->configure(DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH, (long *)28); |
| 21:03:49 | lostlogic | it's the sample depth the DSP is to expect from this codec |
| 21:04:01 | Mikachu | i think someone made a big point of it being 28 in all codecs |
| 21:04:02 | Myth1 | 28 bit ? |
| 21:04:21 | Myth1 | so it is indeed 16 bit? |
| 21:04:24 | lostlogic | currently all codecs create 28 bit per channel samples, which the DSP operates on and then cuts to 16 bits to avoid loss of precision |
| 21:04:59 | lostlogic | so it's a 32 bit space of which the codec uses 28 bits, giving the DSP 4 bits high and 12 bits low of wiggle before it finishes and cuts it to 16 bit |
| 21:05:06 | lostlogic | but preglow would know more than I about this |
| 21:05:17 | * | lostlogic out for now. |
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| 21:06:39 | Myth1 | what is the output format? 28bit signed or unsigned? little or big endian? |
| 21:07:00 | linuxstb | It's actually 28-bits plus 1 sign bit. So if you create 16-bit signed samples, you need to shift left 13 bits. |
| 21:07:09 | linuxstb | They are host-endian. |
| 21:07:23 | linuxstb | i.e. just an array of 32-bit integers. |
| 21:08:04 | Myth1 | ok, thanks |
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| 21:08:31 | linuxstb | Also, I _think_ preglow (our main DSP guy) would also prefer it if you output non-interleaved audio. i.e. one array for the left channel, one for the right. |
| 21:08:54 | Myth1 | I'll do mono for the beginning ;) |
| 21:09:10 | linuxstb | That's easy then. :) |
| 21:09:40 | Kyomi | weeee... |
| 21:09:46 | Kyomi | I found out how to get rid of that slide |
| 21:09:55 | amiconn | ooooops :) |
| 21:10:22 | * | amiconn just produced an endless test loop with interrupts disabled |
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| 21:13:35 | nugged | Guys, anyone for quick feature investigatin here for Rockbox on iPod video 60Gb? |
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| 21:14:51 | nugged | Does it allow to put RATING marks for IDv2 mp3s? With some skins it displays 0-1-2-3-4-5 stars rating but can I update it? |
| 21:18:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not at the moment |
| 21:18:28 | linuxstb | I think Rockbox only supports ratings with the "runtime database", which hasn't been updated to work with tagcache yet. |
| 21:18:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | The rating feature needs to be reimplemented to be compatible with the new TagCache |
| 21:19:03 | linuxstb | From what I can tell, it doesn't even read ratings from ID3 tags at the moment. |
| 21:19:11 | Slasheri | yep, true. that rating feature is not very hard to do, but it's probably not a good idea to implement it during the feature freeze.. |
| 21:20:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: Out of curiosity, are you planning on trying to write the ratings back to the file, or just read them from the file and then store any changes in the local dB? (The second being my personal preferred method.) |
| 21:20:31 | Slasheri | as that requires support for tagcache to modify tags runtime and reading/creating files containing the modified data |
| 21:20:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:20:54 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: no writing to the original file |
| 21:21:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think tagcache (or the RB core itself at all) should be able to modify tags ever, but that's just me. :) |
| 21:21:06 | petur | Slasheri: did you see the remarks earlier today that renaming files doesn't work with dircache on? Also file copy/paste is reported to be broken (haven't tried myself yet) |
| 21:21:21 | Slasheri | we could store that data into the db and to a ascii file to be processed later with pc for example |
| 21:21:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wouldn't mind a plugin to modify tags, but that's a different topic. ;-) |
| 21:21:51 | Slasheri | petur: hmm, interesting.. at least it has worked before. I will try that |
| 21:21:58 | petur | And let's not forget audioscrobbler ;) |
| 21:22:10 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: yep, core will not touch the original files ever |
| 21:22:20 | Slasheri | at least not the code i write ;) |
| 21:22:59 | Slasheri | petur: is it enough just to rename a file or how that bug can be reproduced? |
| 21:23:35 | petur | I'm looking at the log to find the report |
| 21:24:06 | nugged | I have some programming skills - where is quick FAQ about getting involved in development of Rockbox / what c++ compiler (gcc?) for win xp needed? |
| 21:24:27 | petur | today 15:49:02 |
| 21:24:47 | linuxstb | nugged: You should start here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 21:24:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | nugged: C compiler. No C++. And yes, GCC, version depends on your target. But for working in WinXP you should use Cygwin, or a VMWare image of a linux box. |
| 21:25:24 | Myth1 | What does the following code segment do? while (!*ci->taginfo_ready) |
| 21:25:24 | Myth1 | ci->yield(); |
| 21:25:51 | Mikachu | waits for another thread to finish doing something |
| 21:26:02 | linuxstb | I've wondered about the need for that - I'm guessing it's waiting for the audio thread to call get_metadata() |
| 21:26:13 | nugged | thanks. And little dummy question: what capacity of 5G 50Gb iPod battery? (mAh)? manufacturer (aplle) hides that info... |
| 21:26:27 | linuxstb | lostlogic? Any idea if that is still needed? |
| 21:26:43 | nugged | sorry, 60Gb (misstyped) |
| 21:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | What tag format does Rockbox support on MPC? |
| 21:30:32 | Myth1 | does this command "buf = ci->request_buffer(&n, 1024);" read 1024 bytes from the input file? |
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| 21:36:04 | lostlogic | linuxstb: where do I find this? |
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| 21:37:57 | lostlogic | linuxstb: lemme double check, but I think its not necessary |
| 21:39:46 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yeah, taginfo is guaranteed to be ready before the codec is allwed to run to that point. |
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| 21:41:23 | * | amiconn is confoozled |
| 21:44:35 | lostlogic | amiconn: ? |
| 21:44:52 | amiconn | The coldfire pipeline confuses me |
| 21:45:21 | lostlogic | I'm confoozled by how this playback engine gets into a audio_stop() infinite loop. |
| 21:45:34 | amiconn | (1) Atomic port modification is excessively slow |
| 21:46:17 | amiconn | (2) If I just write to the port twice in sequence, this is also slow. When I intersperse some single-cycle nops, time doesn't change |
| 21:46:36 | Slasheri | petur: good, i was able to reproduce it.. fixing |
| 21:47:05 | amiconn | I need to find a good explanation of the coldfire pipeline. |
| 21:47:19 | lostlogic | amiconn: that is weird, nothing I can remember from my m68k classes in college suggests that behavior |
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| 21:47:55 | amiconn | Well, if there's a store buffer, this behaviour is actually expected |
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| 21:48:46 | amiconn | What I don't understand/know: (1) Why is it *that* slow for GPIO ports (!) (2) How long is the pipeline? I have to account for this in the delay loop |
| 21:48:50 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i see that we have almost the same issues to be solved no matter how the playback engine is internally designed.. :) |
| 21:49:47 | Slasheri | all of those problems took initially quite a much time to fix properly |
| 21:51:19 | lostlogic | Slasheri: You can choose to think of them the same. Please try out the new code and I think that aside from the bugs it operates much more smoothely than the previous. |
| 21:52:28 | lostlogic | Instead of having to check a lot of conditions with just-in-case, we are now able to determine conclusively what conditions are possible at each point in the engine, and handle only those cases, and things like having to busy loop for tag data at the beginning of codecs are no longer necessary. |
| 21:53:04 | Slasheri | well, looking into the problems how the engine behaves generally, there isn't much difference what i initially encountered. of course the internal structure is now a little bit different (and better in some way) |
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| 21:54:08 | lostlogic | I'm sorry you can't understand the significant benefits of my approach. |
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| 21:55:49 | Slasheri | i think the idea is very good to organise the threading in different way to avoid calls from everywhere to different threads |
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| 21:56:58 | Slasheri | it will just require quite a much debugging to redesign every function in the code |
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| 21:57:33 | lostlogic | I'm down to a couple of small bugs at this point, mainly track skips during seek, and whatever infinite loop on exit is going on. |
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| 22:02:31 | lostlogic | *giggle* In frustrating news, a sloccount of playback.c 1.217 vs. the current revision tells me that I've reduced the code by ... 12 lines. :( |
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| 22:03:26 | Slasheri | well, i think clear code is much more important than the line count |
| 22:04:04 | lostlogic | this is true, and I think that the added comments and other code adjustments make strides in that direction (which I keep hoping will encourage someone other than me and you to work on it) :) |
| 22:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know what Result: -5 in the bootloader means? |
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| 22:04:57 | Slasheri | hehe, at least i need to relearn the design in some way to be able to do modifications to it again.. i will check the code more closely soon :) |
| 22:05:03 | Mikachu | if(sum != chksum) |
| 22:05:03 | Mikachu | return -5; |
| 22:05:10 | drspoon | midkay - u around? |
| 22:05:11 | Mikachu | in load_rockbox() |
| 22:05:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Checksum |
| 22:05:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Got it |
| 22:05:32 | Mikachu | or load_firmware() if it's not an ipod |
| 22:05:35 | Mikachu | but same if statement |
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| 22:06:38 | lostlogic | Slasheri: :) after 3.0, I plan to convert the tracks array to one sort or another of linked list, and move the metadata onto the buffer, _other_ than chunked allocation (:-P) what have you got planned for it? |
| 22:06:39 | * | petur wonders why we're printing a number and not also some usefull text |
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| 22:07:19 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i have planned to do something like that also. In fact, i would like to add a container format for the medatada and redesign the track buffering |
| 22:07:25 | Slasheri | linked lists sounds ok |
| 22:07:54 | lostlogic | what do you mean container format? A specific binary format rather than just sticking the struct on the buffer? |
| 22:08:21 | lostlogic | ah, strip_id3v1 doesn't update the filesize. |
| 22:08:30 | Slasheri | just structs that allows any type of binary metadata to be added to the buffer |
| 22:08:38 | Slasheri | like codecs, album art, tag data etc. |
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| 22:08:55 | lostlogic | ah, indeed |
| 22:09:25 | drspoon | anybody feeling brave enough to have a go with my wormlet code? |
| 22:09:27 | drspoon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5077 |
| 22:10:50 | Slasheri | lostlogic: btw, with linked lists, that chunked allocation could be even too temptating to do.. at least something to try for ;) |
| 22:12:00 | lostlogic | non-contiguous tracks is a nightmare I sincerely think we should not open |
| 22:12:20 | Slasheri | maybe we find a better solution for that |
| 22:12:26 | Mikachu | do you mean can of worms? :) |
| 22:12:30 | lostlogic | shit. I just triggered my bug with logf and shut down before I could logfdump it. |
| 22:12:42 | lostlogic | pandora's box. |
| 22:12:57 | Slasheri | lostlogic: but i still doubt it would cause a _significant_ performance loss |
| 22:13:03 | Mikachu | that is one step worse than a can of worms |
| 22:13:09 | Slasheri | it's just a matter how robust the playback engine is.. |
| 22:13:24 | Slasheri | not much harder to implement than any other types of buffering too |
| 22:13:37 | lostlogic | you know my vote on it. |
| 22:13:42 | Slasheri | :) |
| 22:13:49 | lostlogic | complexity not worth benefit, against KISS. |
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| 22:15:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: Can you think of any reason Ape tagged MPCs wouldn't show up properly in Tagcache? "when I browse though them using Tagcache, untagged appears instead of the intended tag." |
| 22:15:49 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, that might be a problem with the metadata reader part of the code |
| 22:16:02 | Slasheri | probably it doesn't yet fully support the mpc files |
| 22:16:24 | Slasheri | in fact, even if the files show correctly in wps, doesn't mean they are tagged at all |
| 22:16:38 | Slasheri | because wps tryes to artifically guess the tags if those are missing |
| 22:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 22:16:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I knew that. I just realized I stupidly assumed he did too. |
| 22:17:10 | Slasheri | currently tagcache doesn't try to guess tags (unless the tracknumber tag in some cases) |
| 22:17:45 | Slasheri | *except |
| 22:17:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: Okay, edited my post. :) |
| 22:18:02 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 22:24:42 | amiconn | Slasheri: Regarding your chunked buffer idea - remember the discussion about dircache, complexity, KISS and hidden bugs? |
| 22:24:54 | crashd | man |
| 22:24:56 | crashd | i hate the forum sometimes |
| 22:25:07 | amiconn | This is still one of the reasons I'm not using dircache... |
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| 22:27:39 | lostlogic | what's special about 7 bytes, I wonder. I often see 7 bytes not read at the end of tracks. |
| 22:27:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a note: Why is TagCache in the Playback menu? |
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| 22:29:03 | sharpe | they're bytist! |
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| 22:30:53 | amiconn | lostlogic: 7 bytes?? I *think* I encountered this once today. There was a glitch in my mix album which should play completely gapless |
| 22:31:26 | amiconn | (it's even encoded hwcodec-compatible, i.e. with lame −−nogap) |
| 22:31:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, one of the fixes I put in CVS today catches that condition and adjusts the buffer pointer, but it seems like I must be missing 7 bytes of a codec or somethign similar to cause this number to appear so often |
| 22:31:59 | lostlogic | unless some files are encoded or tagged to have 7 bytes on their tails that are non-audio. |
| 22:32:28 | lostlogic | wait, no it hasta be the track not the codec |
| 22:33:46 | goffa_ | lostlogic: this is behaving so much better since noon (when i updated the firmware) |
| 22:34:13 | lostlogic | goffa_: good |
| 22:34:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i think dircache should be quite stable now.. |
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| 22:34:41 | goffa_ | i can go forward and back like a maniac ... no crashes... yet |
| 22:34:42 | Slasheri | at least after that new rename bug is fixed |
| 22:35:00 | lostlogic | goffa_: :) |
| 22:35:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: but that chunked buffering could be just one way to do it, still much to think about and finding different solutions also |
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| 22:36:08 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, do you think disk menu for it could be better? (the same place where dircache option is located) |
| 22:36:41 | amiconn | Playback makes more sense, imho |
| 22:36:58 | amiconn | Dircache is for all files. Tagcache is for music only |
| 22:37:19 | Slasheri | yep, that is why i choose the playback menu initially for it |
| 22:38:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. It seems odd to do the scan under playback, but enable the view under the File View which is somewhere else entirely |
| 22:39:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | But then playback is where ID3 tag priority is set. Maybe my worry is that "Playback" is not the best name for that menu or something |
| 22:39:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is a little unsure of where he was going with it. |
| 22:39:52 | amiconn | The latter isn't really logical either |
| 22:40:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I guess it's not that it doesn't belong in playback as I was just certain that somewhere in the process logic seemed to have failed. |
| 22:40:24 | amiconn | Either the tagcache should be visible from a virtual directory in the root, or from the menu |
| 22:40:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though "Beep Volume" maybe doesn't belong in playback. |
| 22:40:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait |
| 22:40:41 | * | petur votes for a virtual dir |
| 22:40:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the beep on track change only |
| 22:40:56 | Slasheri | i think the virtual directory idea is good. It just requires some time to do.. |
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| 22:42:06 | amiconn | petur: Sure. Making it a menu option would only make sense if rockbox' philosophy was changed to have a root menu, and make both file browsing and db browsing menu items of it |
| 22:42:22 | Slasheri | maybe we could even replace opendir etc. in filetree.c with virtual_opendir() etc. to make the virtual directory transparent to the code |
| 22:42:24 | amiconn | I would prefer to keep the 'file browser is root' philosophy... |
| 22:42:52 | Slasheri | and when entering to that directory, tagtree.c would handle the virtual_opendir() etc. calls |
| 22:43:50 | amiconn | Better not. Some code might then try to enter the virtual dir and perform file operations... |
| 22:43:50 | Mikachu | i know this is a crazy idea, but is it possible to not use tagcache? |
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| 22:44:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't understand the question. |
| 22:45:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not using it is a simple as... not using it. |
| 22:45:06 | webguest64 | hey ya guys! |
| 22:45:09 | Mikachu | won't it still index all files on startup? |
| 22:45:10 | webguest64 | just a question |
| 22:45:20 | Mikachu | oh good, i thought you came to kill me |
| 22:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: If you've used it before, just delete the files it generated. |
| 22:45:36 | webguest64 | did anybody finally have a wikipedia running on rockbox |
| 22:45:42 | Mikachu | okay, it won't generate a new cache unless i force it then? |
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| 22:46:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: I have confirmation. He says the tags from MPC are definitely read, just not TagCached. |
| 22:47:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: It won't do first time generation without forcing, and if the files aren't present it qualifies as first time I believe |
| 22:47:22 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:47:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd could be wrong though |
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| 22:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest64: Nobody here is really working on that. |
| 22:47:57 | Mikachu | that would be sort of like the hitchhikers guide |
| 22:48:22 | Mikachu | just make a voice recognizer engine and you're set |
| 22:48:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: There's a thread dedicated to getting it working at MisticRiver, but I don't follow it. |
| 22:48:47 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:48:51 | Mikachu | i try to stay away from forums |
| 22:50:07 | Slasheri | Mikachu: yes, just don't load it to ram and don't use it. simple :) |
| 22:50:20 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, then that's really weird |
| 22:50:40 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: got the url for that topic handy? |
| 22:50:47 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: because if rockbox can read the tags, the file should be indexed by tagcache |
| 22:51:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3536.msg26030;topicseen#msg26030 |
| 22:51:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may be that there's something else funny with his tags. |
| 22:51:56 | crashd | sorry dude, i meant the wikipedia thing |
| 22:52:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36924 |
| 22:52:26 | crashd | thanking you |
| 22:52:31 | Mikachu | you know what would be really useful? |
| 22:52:35 | Mikachu | having Paul_The_Nerd in rockbox |
| 22:52:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't really keep up with what goes on at MisticRiver any more, because there's plenty of questions just here. |
| 22:53:03 | crashd | hehe |
| 22:53:08 | crashd | i find mistic river to be full of idiots |
| 22:53:14 | crashd | no offence to anyone who's a member, as i am too |
| 22:53:16 | crashd | but, generally |
| 22:53:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 22:54:12 | luckz | something changed in the last few days (CVS-wise) to make one lose all preferences? |
| 22:54:14 | * | petur finds the world is full of idiots |
| 22:54:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Yes. |
| 22:54:53 | luckz | what was that? |
| 22:55:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | The new Crossfeed |
| 22:55:03 | Mikachu | luckz: always write a .cfg |
| 22:55:09 | luckz | Mikachu: I do, that's not the problem. |
| 22:55:22 | luckz | but now, I seemingly can't get it to not "commit tagcache" on startup. dunno if that's my fault. |
| 22:56:02 | luckz | (it doesn't seem to be impressed by tagcache being set to HD) |
| 22:56:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does setting it to HD have to do with it? |
| 22:56:48 | luckz | I assumed it would not try to come up with half a minute or more of odd tagcache things upon startup then |
| 22:57:05 | Slasheri | luckz: do you get the "committing tagcache" every time you boot it? |
| 22:57:13 | luckz | Slasheri: seemingly |
| 22:57:24 | Slasheri | then there is something wrong it with.. |
| 22:57:30 | Slasheri | (the committing fails for some reason) |
| 22:57:44 | Slasheri | logf would tell the excact reason if you could enable it |
| 22:57:56 | Slasheri | that would be very useful for fixing the issue |
| 22:57:59 | luckz | mhm, finished replaygaining everything (took centuries), will now experiment with tagcache and committing that some more |
| 22:58:10 | Slasheri | :) |
| 22:58:11 | luckz | let's see. |
| 22:58:55 | Slasheri | please try also removing all tagcache*.tcd -files in the .rockbox directory and try again |
| 22:59:40 | luckz | blah, now it's even behaving, after committing successfully. I earlier had the impression that it took ages around step 4/10 or so and didn't get anywhere. |
| 22:59:58 | luckz | but I really had it do that five starts in a row just two hours ago.. |
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| 23:00:06 | lostlogic | Any brilliant ideas on how we can make seeking within the last 'pcm buffer size' of a track work as the user would expect it to? |
| 23:00:16 | Slasheri | hehe, weird.. |
| 23:00:28 | Slasheri | the commit should take something in between 2-5 minutes |
| 23:00:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: How does it happen now? |
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| 23:00:37 | Slasheri | maybe your hd is highly fragmented |
| 23:00:40 | lostlogic | not sure, but I can guarantee it doesn't work. |
| 23:00:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:00:46 | luckz | does it tell me when a forced update is finished? |
| 23:00:50 | lostlogic | it might seek to that location in the next track |
| 23:00:54 | luckz | Slasheri: shouldn't be, really. |
| 23:01:02 | lostlogic | because the playback system is already done with the playing track by this time. |
| 23:01:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Disable seek forward by that point, because you really shouldn't need to seek in the last 5 seconds of the track? |
| 23:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 23:02:00 | lostlogic | what about sekeing backwards from there, which would make sense though :( |
| 23:02:12 | lostlogic | neither one will work as the use expects it to |
| 23:02:20 | hardeep | how about not switching to the next track until playback is really completed? |
| 23:02:39 | hardeep | that's how the archos code works |
| 23:02:41 | lostlogic | hardeep: that would murder gapless |
| 23:02:55 | lostlogic | because the codec needs time to decode the first frame of the next track |
| 23:03:38 | hardeep | well, begin loading the next track etc, but don't lose track of current? |
| 23:03:42 | luckz | I guess using background cycles to decode the first bits for the next 1-2 tracks and storing that somewhere in the buffer isn't too much of an option? |
| 23:04:24 | lostlogic | luckz: well that's what happens, but how do we know when the pcm buffer _actually_ transitions between tracks so that we can change that 'seek handling track' to the currently playing track |
| 23:04:45 | hardeep | lostlogic: there's no way to find this out? |
| 23:05:32 | luckz | you could put some odd-frequence sound bit inbetween tracks that humans can't perceive and watch out for that ;) |
| 23:05:46 | lostlogic | I mean I made a scheme to detect it pretty well by using the bytes played by the pcm buffer converted to time to calculate the time increments on the pcm buffer until the end of the track, and then trigger an end of track callback, but it's not exact or anything |
| 23:05:57 | lostlogic | hardeep: not currently |
| 23:06:38 | hardeep | how precise is your calculation? |
| 23:06:38 | luckz | lostlogic: wellyes, but how does that work with VBR? |
| 23:06:47 | hardeep | if it's within a second then is it really a problem? |
| 23:06:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, if you know where to start writing to the PCM Buffer with the next track, then you know where the previous track ends, right? Can't you just tell when the last byte has been played somehow? I mean I'm sure it's not that simple, but I guess what I'm asking is why can't you just check for something like that? |
| 23:06:55 | lostlogic | luckz: vbr doesn' timpact it, this is decompressed audio |
| 23:07:05 | luckz | oki |
| 23:07:07 | lostlogic | hardeep: pcm buffer is up-to 17 seconds long |
| 23:07:20 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: but the playback code knows nothing of this. |
| 23:07:53 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: the pcmbuffer does (and should) only know about pcm data |
| 23:08:02 | lostlogic | hardeep: hmm, yes, I suppose I can use the existing track end callback |
| 23:08:19 | lostlogic | and hold onto some kind of track-to-seek-in information. |
| 23:08:36 | lostlogic | this will not be simple. |
| 23:08:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: And with VBR you don't know how much PCM data you're going to send it until you finish, I suppose. |
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| 23:08:56 | luckz | mhm. how fixed is track skipping in general in teh current CVS? |
| 23:09:00 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: VBR vs. non VBR has no impact on this. |
| 23:09:07 | lostlogic | luckz: ask goffa |
| 23:09:08 | lostlogic | :) |
| 23:09:27 | lostlogic | luckz: it works quite well for me, and I have no outstanding bugs specific to track skipping at this point. |
| 23:09:43 | luckz | well, in the CVS build from 2 or 3 days ago I found it horribly easy to either make it display a different track than it was playing or to make it play nothing at all for a bit or similar. |
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| 23:09:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It would if you were planning on precalculating how many bytes of total PCM data/track you were going to be sending to the playback code, wouldn't it? |
| 23:09:59 | luckz | (by just skipping quite a few tracks in a row) |
| 23:10:06 | lostlogic | luckz: there were big bugs then |
| 23:10:08 | lostlogic | they've mostly been fixed. |
| 23:10:25 | lostlogic | ah, yes, which we aren't. |
| 23:10:26 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 23:10:39 | lostlogic | last 2 @ Paul_The_Nerd |
| 23:10:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It would be get you around it. :-P |
| 23:10:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | be a way |
| 23:10:53 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs |
| 23:11:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | My typing skills have been degrading the more and more I type for some reason |
| 23:11:11 | lostlogic | carpal tunnel |
| 23:11:13 | amiconn | murks |
| 23:11:16 | luckz | < Paul_The_Nerd> My typing skills have been degrading the more and more I type for some reason <- I know that. |
| 23:11:19 | hardeep | lostlogic: i'm not as familiar with the software decoding but that method works really well in the archos mpeg code |
| 23:11:47 | hardeep | lostlogic: btw, waiting to call playlist_next() until that point would fix the track number bug someone mentioned earlier |
| 23:11:50 | lostlogic | hardeep: difficult to seek within the previous track, but not undoable, just non-trivial |
| 23:12:36 | amiconn | How can the coldfire ignore up to 4 single-cycle NOPs, and then increase execution time by 2 clocks when I add a 5th?? |
| 23:12:56 | lostlogic | as for the playlist next handling right now it's handled the same for manual and automatic skips, which ensures safety for buffer filling... |
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| 23:14:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I suppose you could, when track end occurs, not switch tracks until the PCM buffer hits the watermark that triggers boosting? Wouldn't that at least make it a much smaller window that seek would fail? |
| 23:14:26 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yuck. ;) |
| 23:14:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 23:14:42 | hardeep | lostlogic: is that for the auto change directory / repeat shuffle scenarios? |
| 23:14:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I see it as my job to offer crazy and/or yucky alternatives, so that the "right" way seems better. |
| 23:14:58 | lostlogic | hardeep: hrm? |
| 23:15:14 | hardeep | lostlogic: the buffer safety issue |
| 23:15:18 | amiconn | The auto-change directory hack needs either to be fixed, or taken out |
| 23:15:26 | luckz | that sounds like it could induce problems with rapidly skipping things, maybe. at least if you immediately hammer skip things once you hear the first bit of sound of the new track. mhm. |
| 23:15:30 | hardeep | why would you call playlist_next() early? |
| 23:15:40 | lostlogic | Once I make seekign in the end of a track work-ish, I'll probably have more trust in the track chagne callback |
| 23:15:44 | luckz | by the way, what is auto-change directory supposed to do? |
| 23:15:53 | lostlogic | luckz: which? the current code gracefully handles hammering skip. |
| 23:15:54 | hardeep | amiconn: heh, well, it works nicely on archos but, yeah, it's a mess on the software platforms |
| 23:16:11 | amiconn | It doesn't work properly on all platforms |
| 23:16:16 | luckz | lostlogic: what Paul suggested, with watermarks and all |
| 23:16:22 | lostlogic | hardeep: the problem isn't the different platforms but the size of the compressed audio buffer, I think. |
| 23:16:23 | hardeep | amiconn: what's the problem? |
| 23:16:34 | lostlogic | *shrug* not doing what he suggested any way. |
| 23:17:11 | amiconn | hardeep: Play a directory and make sure you have auto-change directory enabled, and are near the end of the dir. Then start a (game?) plugin, and watch auto-change directory fail... |
| 23:17:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: It was a pretty bad idea since it forces boosting on *every* track change, even with codecs that don't require boosting at all except when buffering. |
| 23:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the very least |
| 23:17:27 | lostlogic | I'll implement something to handle seeking and playlist updating delayed on automatic track skips. I already have a variable for manual skip vs. automatic skip so I can probably abuse it further. |
| 23:17:41 | hardeep | amiconn: hmmm, i remember trying to reproduce that and was unable to |
| 23:17:47 | hardeep | i'll try again |
| 23:18:51 | luckz | wah. |
| 23:19:17 | hardeep | we don't use the plugin buffer for changing so it's strange that it causes problems |
| 23:19:28 | hardeep | i wonder if it's related to open file/directory handles |
| 23:19:56 | amiconn | No, but auto-change directory uses the tree buffer. 'Browse plugins' sets a different currentdir + dirfilter... |
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| 23:20:30 | Hyperbit | can somebody help me with build a sim ... im a noob in linux :( |
| 23:20:35 | hardeep | i thought we reset that to "ALL" in auto change, might have forgotten to |
| 23:20:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:20:39 | amiconn | The error should also happen when you're just browsing plugins, or fonts, or wps'es, or... |
| 23:21:19 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: actually something is already seeming to push the pcm buffer low on track changes which I just can't figure out |
| 23:21:53 | lostlogic | maybe it's just the cost of the codec initialization, but it seem excessive |
| 23:22:04 | luckz | just as a question: is it possibly to make it take more than a touch of the on button to turn the rockbox X5 on? I usually tend to flick the on thingie to see if the X5 is running, but this way, if it's off, it gets turned on. |
| 23:23:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Why not just tap another button instead? Or, um... isn't there usually visual representation of a player being on, like something on the screen? |
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| 23:23:53 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Not if the backlight is off, I guess |
| 23:23:55 | amiconn | (same as on H300) |
| 23:24:23 | Hyperbit | gote someone a compiled Sim for IPOD G5 ? im unable to compile :( |
| 23:24:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Ah, screen hides itself if the backlight is off? Ick |
| 23:24:45 | luckz | what amiconn said. the backlight runs away after a few seconds and then all is black. |
| 23:25:04 | amiconn | The H300 screen is pitch-black with the backlight off. Same on X5 Iguess |
| 23:25:08 | luckz | yep. |
| 23:25:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Just as a note, I looked at my audio thread right now, and the compressed buffer is somewhere in the negative values. This is with a 45 minute old build or so |
| 23:25:25 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: that's no good. |
| 23:25:26 | luckz | (is there some easy way to get rid of a background picture?) |
| 23:25:53 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: any further info on how it got that way? |
| 23:25:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: So, why not tap the button for menu, or some other button that will always at least trigger backlight? |
| 23:26:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Not a bloody clue. Checking if it reproduces. |
| 23:27:18 | luckz | well, if the on//neutral//off/lock thingie is set to locked and you then just put it into the middle, it already turns on. default firmware doesn't do that. |
| 23:28:00 | luckz | also: if the backlight is off, ANY button you press does nothing but turn on the backlight. thus you have to press a button at least two times to cause some change. |
| 23:28:08 | scottder | Yeah and when will Rockbox support the "Real" video ipod! ;) |
| 23:28:18 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I think that is probably the same as the bug I'm already chasing, but let me know if you find something |
| 23:28:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, I can't seem to get it to trigger again, even while being exceedingly abusive to seeking and skipping randomly around, in early and late parts of tracks. |
| 23:29:00 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, it seems to happen around some buffer wrapping case, so I'm trying to let my device keep playing for a long time until it happens on logf to hopefully find the damn thing. |
| 23:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Well, the Off turns the light on, and on second thing does something, is an option somewhere. But if it's set to that, why not press *any* button to see if it's on? |
| 23:29:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I will say though, after next-tracking out of the buffer, it seems to have filled a very very very small portion of the buffer. |
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| 23:30:06 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it is designed to fill at least 1 meg, up to 7.5 megs, target 1 track after skips |
| 23:30:13 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: the next buffer fill will be a full fill. |
| 23:30:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay. Then that's exactly what it did. Including the full fill after. :) |
| 23:30:22 | luckz | because normally, any button causes *something*. I want to check if it's on without changing anything should it be on. that's only an option because any button turns on the backlight and does nothing else, and that's anything but good in the first place. |
| 23:30:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: A lot of people caused a lot of ruckus until that feature went in. Just disable the option. |
| 23:30:55 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: amazing... the playback code behaved as designed :-p |
| 23:31:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I'm astonished! |
| 23:31:05 | luckz | 1) where do I find the option? |
| 23:31:28 | luckz | 2) I made my current-CVS X5 crash by telling it to play a track. haven't had that for a while. :p |
| 23:31:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Well, I'd look under the LCD settings under General->Display, myself. |
| 23:31:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's where I'd guess it is at least, since I've never used it. |
| 23:32:00 | lostlogic | luckz: what'd you do to it!? :) |
| 23:32:07 | lostlogic | just hit play and it crashed? |
| 23:32:11 | luckz | lostlogic: did nothing but first pause playback, then change themes, then made it re-initialise by executing the .rockbox thingie, then I chose a song |
| 23:32:27 | luckz | oh, and before the last step I chose yet another theme |
| 23:32:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm |
| 23:32:41 | luckz | "I00: at 3101DB3E" is my error |
| 23:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't think Rolo worked properly on X5 yet |
| 23:32:53 | lostlogic | I wonder... |
| 23:32:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to recall various other errors occurring with it |
| 23:33:14 | luckz | let me try to reproduce. |
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| 23:33:42 | luckz | yep. |
| 23:33:44 | luckz | reproduced. |
| 23:33:56 | lostlogic | so it's rolo, or it happened just after a clean shut down and start? |
| 23:34:05 | luckz | same 3103DB3E. |
| 23:34:09 | luckz | rolo? |
| 23:34:17 | lostlogic | executing the .rockbox file |
| 23:34:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you run "the rockbox thingie" |
| 23:34:22 | luckz | yes, that one. |
| 23:34:23 | luckz | :po |
| 23:34:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's not .rockbox since that's a folder |
| 23:34:31 | lostlogic | well whichever, it's not my problem :-D |
| 23:34:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can clearly see "the rockbox thingie" does not in fact have a period in front of it |
| 23:34:49 | luckz | okay. the rockbox.iaudio thingie :) |
| 23:35:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: RoLo is "Rockbox Loader" and it's not functioning on X5 properly, so to reinitialize just shut down and start again. |
| 23:35:33 | amiconn | Hmm, the coldfire pipeline seems to fetch instructions in pairs (when they're cached) |
| 23:35:37 | luckz | oké. |
| 23:35:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, as far as being abusive to the playback code goes, I'm not very good at it, but the *only* thing I can seem to do is seeking not working right at the very end of a track |
| 23:36:15 | amiconn | Probably 32 bit words, as the manual shows a 3x32bit instruction fifo... |
| 23:36:16 | lostlogic | what happens when you seek at the end of the track, out of curiosity? |
| 23:36:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, if I do it at exactly the right moment, I get that position in the next track |
| 23:36:55 | lostlogic | :) |
| 23:37:00 | lostlogic | love that 'feature' |
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| 23:38:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: And one time I got a completely different track entirely, but in its defense the time I had seeked to was like, 4:15, and the next track was under 2 minutes. |
| 23:38:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should've checked where the track was in the playlist (as it wasn't the second or third one either) but I figured "Seeking to a time outside of the track" is something that should ideally never happen anyway, so documenting what happens when you do wasn't that important. |
| 23:39:28 | luckz | arrrrrrr. |
| 23:39:36 | luckz | Slasheri: it's doing the tagcache again |
| 23:39:44 | luckz | this thing just hates me. |
| 23:39:51 | luckz | all I did now was turn it on and back off a few times. |
| 23:40:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Did you ever delete and entirely rebuild it as he suggested? |
| 23:41:03 | luckz | tagnavi.config stays alive, yes? |
| 23:41:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | yes |
| 23:42:06 | * | lostlogic off until ~10:00pm CDT |
| 23:42:14 | luckz | now the young master just started without generating tagcache. I assume it'll stay that way until I tell it to manually commit? |
| 23:42:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 23:42:31 | luckz | but I want tagcache for some odd reason, don't I? |
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| 23:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you use the "Browse by ID3 tag" mode? |
| 23:43:22 | luckz | uh, no. I technically could, but that's ipoddy. tagcache doesn't do anything else? |
| 23:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 23:43:41 | Hyperbit | can nobody help me with a g5 Simulator :(? |
| 23:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hyperbit: What problems are you having compiling? |
| 23:44:46 | Hyperbit | im to stupid to compile.. i starting LINXU VMware Debian Image and then i got a total OVERKILL .. /me is linux noob |
| 23:45:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | That doesn't tell me what problems you're having. |
| 23:45:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which step did you have problems with? |
| 23:45:33 | luckz | does anybody have theme suggestions for car use? it'd be beneficial for traffic safety if I could see the track being played as soon as possible :p |
| 23:45:52 | Hyperbit | i try to follow the instructions ... but i think i make all wrong .. |
| 23:46:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Take Rockbox_Default, remove the peakmeters, and set a double size font. :-P |
| 23:46:28 | luckz | why remove the peakmeters? as it is, it only takes half the screen or so. thus double-sized would still fit fine :p |
| 23:46:32 | Mikachu | only problem is rockbox_default is an empty file |
| 23:46:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hypderbit: You still aren't answering the questions I've asked. Which step did you have problems with, and what problems are you having? |
| 23:46:42 | Mikachu | luckz: peak meters take much cpu power |
| 23:46:46 | Hyperbit | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:username@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel (if you have no username, try anonymous) <−−- where to type that? |
| 23:46:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Well, some people experience gaps in playback with peamketers |
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| 23:47:03 | midkay | those dang peamketers ;) |
| 23:47:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: But the contents of Rockbox_Default are listed in the WPS gallery |
| 23:47:06 | luckz | Mikachu: don't I have ~enough cpu power? |
| 23:47:15 | lostlogic | ok, one last commit, and build, and then I will go :-P |
| 23:47:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hyperbit: In the terminal window. You should be able to run something called "eterm" |
| 23:47:35 | Mikachu | ah okay |
| 23:47:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: It depends on a variety of things, such as what other options you're using. If the peakmeters work, feel free. If you get spotty playback, drop 'em. |
| 23:48:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I use a modified rockbox default without the peakmeters (for aesthetic reasons, I just don't like 'em.) |
| 23:48:27 | luckz | mhm. I'm generally not a fan of "moving parts" on my display. I'm already horrible annoyed by the display by itself switching between showing me the bitrate and the album. |
| 23:48:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: Well, other than peakmeters, the Rockbox_Default one doesn't have any alternating lines I believe |
| 23:51:40 | Hyperbit | when i type the cvs line nothing hapens :( |
| 23:51:43 | luckz | I know. but I also am a fan of comforting/flashy colours, at times. at least the default one seems like it wants to tazer my eyes out, if viewed for longer times. |
| 23:52:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hypderbit: "nothing happens" is a bit vague. You're in the VMWare sim, in an eterm right? |
| 23:52:06 | luckz | and I haven't yet found something that both has colours and is perfectly readable. backgrounds can be especially annoying there, with sunlight and all. |
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| 23:52:19 | Hyperbit | yes |
| 23:52:54 | Hyperbit | it only show me syntax help lines |
| 23:53:08 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: leave me /msg, or some other persistent type of message if you figure anything out about that negative buffer crap. |
| 23:53:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Will do. |
| 23:53:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hyperbit: First off, I hope you aren't typing (if you have no username, try anonymous) as part of it. Second, if it's giving you help that means you've mistyped something. Also, giving you syntax help is very different from "nothing happens" |
| 23:54:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's very hard to help you if you don't accurately relay the problems you are having. |
| 23:54:20 | Hyperbit | hehe ... :) |
| 23:54:44 | Hyperbit | and no i dont type if you have... ;D |
| 23:54:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just making sure since you pasted it up there. :) |
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| 23:55:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd be surprised at what some people in the forums tell me they've typed |
| 23:55:16 | Hyperbit | ^^ |
| 23:55:49 | Hyperbit | but i giv up ..... |
| 23:55:58 | Hyperbit | i doesnt understend the world of TuX |
| 23:56:52 | luckz | Paul: it's a natural trait of germans online, if you haven't noticed. the whole accurate problem description thing. |
| 23:57:20 | Mikachu | or more generally, of people online |
| 23:57:21 | Hyperbit | i think there not so many themes cause the little GFX nerds only understand windows cmds ;) |
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| 23:57:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | luckz: My biggest problem is that people don't take me literally. If I type something, I mean *exactly* that (unless I've made a mistake in typing) but people often assume that I'm replying to their whole idea or the way they've phrased it, rather than any differences I've stated. =/ |
| 23:57:55 | Mikachu | themers are usually quite resourceful |
| 23:58:24 | Mikachu | i love when you give someone an exact command and they say it doesn't work, and it turns out they changed the command |
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| 23:58:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: My personal favorite it "I followed the install instructions. One of them gave an error, but I kept going anyway. It doesn't work. What did I do wrong?" |
| 23:58:54 | Hyperbit | sure .. gfx tutorials and so on ;D |
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