| 00:00:02 | TeaSea | Barrow-in-furness eh? Never been there! :D |
| 00:00:21 | crashd | where you from ? |
| 00:00:21 | TeaSea | I come from Carlisle, but i'm studying at Lancaster uni. |
| 00:00:21 | crashd | ahh, good choice |
| 00:00:21 | crashd | lancaster is a nice place |
| 00:00:21 | warthawg | ok, i'll meet you at the olypia hotel in belfast, crashd |
| 00:00:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: The screendump looks fine in what way? |
| 00:00:24 | crashd | warthawg: hey, fix the playback and i might buy you one :p |
| 00:00:30 | warthawg | heh |
| 00:00:30 | TeaSea | crashd: Yeah :) |
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| 00:00:49 | warthawg | i mean, i would, if i ever go back to belfast |
| 00:00:59 | TeaSea | Lancaster uni makes me smile. |
| 00:01:07 | crashd | TeaSea: you go to the sugarhouse much? :) |
| 00:01:13 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, its in 16bit color |
| 00:01:25 | TeaSea | crashd: Not as often last term as I did the term before :) |
| 00:01:31 | TeaSea | It's strange, i've sort of stopped going out a lot. |
| 00:01:33 | TeaSea | HOWEVER |
| 00:01:47 | TeaSea | I am now social secretary for the theatre group, so I should be going to the sugarhouse a FEW TIMES hopfeully. |
| 00:02:17 | TeaSea | You ever been there crashd? |
| 00:02:31 | crashd | sure have, many times |
| 00:02:41 | TeaSea | Awesome. |
| 00:02:41 | TeaSea | When abouts? |
| 00:02:41 | crashd | in fact, i might be up there weekend may 6th for my birthday |
| 00:02:49 | crashd | i used to go a lot when i lived in barrow, nearest decent gig venue |
| 00:02:54 | TeaSea | crashd: Ah aweseome. I'll definitely be in there May 4th. |
| 00:03:06 | TeaSea | Star Wars bar crawl :D |
| 00:03:10 | crashd | heh |
| 00:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Strange. Could you try bejeweled and see if it looks like it's 16 colors, or higher? |
| 00:03:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Sorry, Jewels |
| 00:03:24 | crashd | hehe, nice work there paul ;) |
| 00:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Preferably after rebooting the ipod. |
| 00:03:58 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, ok |
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| 00:04:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Agh. Man, I kinda wish that people would stop defending the project without at least researching it first. |
| 00:05:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's frustrating reading all these people stating various things about Rockbox that aren't true, or are at least only partially true. |
| 00:05:23 | TeaSea | crashd: Unfortunately sugarhouse isn't as good as it supposedly was. |
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| 00:05:33 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, jewel looks like its in 16 bit |
| 00:05:34 | TeaSea | Saturday night's a mixed back. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. |
| 00:06:03 | aegray | hahahah hows it feel boys |
| 00:06:07 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, i mean, not in 16bit |
| 00:06:22 | aegray | (+girls if there are any) |
| 00:06:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: So, in all instances your iPod Photo looks like it's in 16 colors, but the screendumps come out in 16 bit? |
| 00:06:45 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, yep |
| 00:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Okay, could you do one last thing then? Boot into the Apple firmware, and use iTunes to put a photo on your player, and see how that photo looks in the Apple firmware. |
| 00:07:50 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, i can't seem to boot it into the apple firmware:-p |
| 00:08:00 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, mayby i'm just using the wrong key, but i push menu and nothing happens |
| 00:08:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Turn it off by holding play/pause. Then tap Menu to turn it on, release, and IMMEDIATELY hold it down until you see "Loading original firmware..." |
| 00:09:14 | Matixs | warthawg: thank you for your help with crosscompiler |
| 00:09:14 | brendan_ | ok |
| 00:09:16 | brendan_ | that worked |
| 00:09:24 | Matixs | and all: Good bye |
| 00:09:38 | warthawg | later, Matixs |
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| 00:09:44 | infamis | anyone own a karma & have experience with wps-creation? you know what I'm getting at... |
| 00:09:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: As in, an image looks fine in Apple's Firmware, or just "I got to apple's firmware now" |
| 00:10:39 | angelashes | how does the battery benchmarker work? |
| 00:10:46 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, i got the firmware to load, the iamges in the firmware look like there more than 16 colors(the do not eject icon for example), but i'l try an image now |
| 00:10:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | angelashes: Every 30 minutes, approximately, it takes a reading and stores them in a .txt |
| 00:11:24 | angelashes | but in those 30 minutes does it do anything? |
| 00:11:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | What would it do? |
| 00:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | It runs in the background, so ideally you'd play music like normal. |
| 00:12:06 | angelashes | ok i got yeah |
| 00:13:21 | crashd | TeaSea: you're not wrong, it used to be a really good |
| 00:13:31 | TeaSea | crashd: Yeah. New DJs apparently. |
| 00:13:43 | TeaSea | Although thursday nights are great... if you like indie music :D |
| 00:13:45 | crashd | heh |
| 00:14:18 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, i don't have itunes available, i'm using linux and gtkpod doesn't suport photos |
| 00:14:39 | Mikachu | brendan_: there's gpixpod |
| 00:15:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Ah. Hm. Well, if you say it looks definitely 16-bit in the retail OS, I have to admit I'm confused. I would say delete rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder, put a new one on, and then, as soon as you turn on your iPod, immediately flip the hold switch to On to clear settings. |
| 00:16:10 | lostlogic | Bagder: server problem, CVS notification message send failure, server connection refused. |
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| 00:16:48 | lostlogic | If anyone in here has good ways to reproduce the buffer fill and track change breakage, please test the latest commit I just made. I might have killed it. |
| 00:17:41 | petur | building.... |
| 00:18:19 | lostlogic | if this fixes it, I still don't quite understand why, and will therefor be quite irritated |
| 00:18:30 | Mikachu | i seeked and it skipped to the next tarck |
| 00:18:59 | lostlogic | Mikachu: damn ,you biult that fast |
| 00:19:04 | Mikachu | sounds like it played a tiny bit of the new point |
| 00:19:12 | lostlogic | Mikachu: jus ta normal seek or a seek to the very end? |
| 00:19:12 | Mikachu | lostlogic: takes only 2 secs to rebuild one file... |
| 00:19:12 | Mikachu | normal seek, out of buffer |
| 00:19:20 | * | petur still waits on cygwin :( |
| 00:19:23 | Mikachu | inside buffer seems to work |
| 00:20:21 | lostlogic | how do you even do that? I can't seek as fast as it buffers on a startup |
| 00:20:37 | Mikachu | pcm buffer |
| 00:20:41 | Mikachu | not codec buffer |
| 00:20:49 | lostlogic | now I'm confused |
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| 00:20:56 | lostlogic | there's no such thing as a pcm buffer seek out of buffer. |
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| 00:21:10 | Mikachu | what, the whole file is always decoded instantly? |
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| 00:21:23 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, ok, i removed the the current version and replacd it with an earlier snapshot, and cleared the settings, but it didn't change anythign |
| 00:21:26 | lostlogic | Mikachu: only 2 seconds are, so you are _always_ seeking out of the pcmbuffer |
| 00:21:31 | Mikachu | what i can promise though, is that seeking 3 seconds ahead works while seeking 2 minutes ahead makes it skip tracks |
| 00:21:39 | Mikachu | lostlogic: my pcm buffer is 20MB or so |
| 00:21:43 | Mikachu | ;) |
| 00:21:46 | lostlogic | Mikachu: never mind you then. |
| 00:22:00 | lostlogic | can anyone with a _normal_ sized buffer recreate? |
| 00:22:14 | Poka64 | sorry to bother you with this, nayone using rockbox on 2GB ipod mini ? |
| 00:22:23 | infamis | it's skipped tracks when fast-forwarding a great distance for me |
| 00:22:33 | infamis | haven't messed with any buffer sizes |
| 00:23:01 | lostlogic | infamis: so you seek forward far and it changes tracks instead of seeking to the right place? even if you don't seek to very near the end fo the track? |
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| 00:23:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: This is very strange. I honestly don't know where the problem could be. I mean, I'd guess it was a hardware initialization thing, if anything. |
| 00:23:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Poka64: Do you mean Second Generation? |
| 00:24:02 | infamis | lostlogic: correct; when I let go of the fast-forward button, the next track starts playing. I'll have to see whether or not I'm near the end of a track |
| 00:24:38 | etherz | hiya guys |
| 00:24:50 | Poka64 | Paul_The_Nerd, no, the 2GB version |
| 00:24:54 | etherz | i just read about the rockbox project on slashdot |
| 00:24:57 | lostlogic | infamis: kk, anywho, I'm out. /msg or wiki for playback bugs until later. |
| 00:24:58 | Mikachu | Poka64: aren't they 3 or 6GB? |
| 00:25:03 | Poka64 | no |
| 00:25:04 | brendan_ | Paul_The_Nerd, is there any more debug output i could send you? |
| 00:25:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | brendan_: Nothing that I personally could do anything with. I basically serve as a first line of technical support. I'd almost hazard that something's gone wrong with your bootloader, though I can't imagine what. |
| 00:25:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Polka64: Is it a 1st or 2nd generation then? |
| 00:25:47 | Poka64 | 1st |
| 00:25:54 | crashd | brendan_: is this a new problem? |
| 00:25:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 1st gen isn't supported |
| 00:26:01 | Poka64 | k, thx hehe |
| 00:26:25 | etherz | quick question, audio playback on ipods is now mutifomat with this firmware |
| 00:26:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | We'll get to it, but none of the devs here has a 1st gen Mini. |
| 00:26:47 | brendan_ | crashd, its the first time i installed rockbox, so i'm not sure |
| 00:26:47 | etherz | any chance video will be multi format playback on the ipod video with this firmware in the future? |
| 00:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | etherz: Technically it's multiformat with the default firmware. But we do support MORE formats than them. |
| 00:26:51 | crashd | brendan_: ah, ok |
| 00:27:04 | crashd | brendan_: so, you're sure you got the right bootloader AND build from the rockbox website? |
| 00:27:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | etherz: We don't support video at all though, and it's not likely to happen particularly soon. |
| 00:27:18 | brendan_ | crashd, i may have made a mistake settings it up, but i'm not sure what i could do to mess that up |
| 00:27:27 | etherz | okay |
| 00:27:52 | etherz | thanks, i dont even have an ipod i just thought it would be sweet tho! |
| 00:28:07 | etherz | great idea you guys have |
| 00:28:09 | etherz | cya |
| 00:28:14 | * | Mikachu feels sorry for Bagder 2mbit server |
| 00:28:15 | crashd | brendan_: you got the ipod colour/photo bootloader, and the rockbox colour/photo build? |
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| 00:28:46 | Poka64 | Paul_The_Nerd, thx for the info :) |
| 00:29:13 | brendan_ | crashd, bootloader-color.bin rockbox-ipodcolor-20060414.zip |
| 00:29:24 | crashd | hums |
| 00:29:28 | brendan_ | crashd, those are the files i downloaded |
| 00:29:43 | crashd | i dont have a colour, i must admit, but if there had been problems i thought someone would have reported it by now |
| 00:29:52 | crashd | did you make some screenshots for paul? |
| 00:29:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: I'm pretty sure Linuxstb even has an Ipod Photo. |
| 00:30:28 | brendan_ | crashd, yes, but they look right(16bit color) |
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| 00:30:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: I haven't seen the screenshots, but he said they come out the proper depth, which is why I'm assuming it's a hardware initialization thing. The fact that it doesn't screw up the RetailOS makes me think it's *less* likely part of the bootloader, but that's not guaranteed. |
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| 00:30:54 | crashd | hazum |
| 00:31:01 | crashd | brendan_: do you have a digital camera? |
| 00:31:05 | petur | lostlogic: skipping got worse with your latest commit: when fast skipping, WPS data is much more off now and playback gets full of glitches |
| 00:31:25 | brendan_ | crashd, yes |
| 00:31:40 | crashd | brendan_: could you maybe take a screenshot within rockbox, and take the same screenshot from your camera |
| 00:31:46 | crashd | and then send them over? |
| 00:31:58 | brendan_ | crashd, ok |
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| 00:34:04 | crashd | hmmm |
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| 00:34:23 | crashd | now, thinking on it, there was a post on the forum from someone who had 4g colour problems |
| 00:34:41 | bluebrother | Badger, in? |
| 00:34:42 | crashd | brendan_: are you using the current version of the ipod retailos firmware and so on ? |
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| 00:39:13 | brendan_ | crashd, i'm not sure, i just installed the firmware off the cd when i got it(and converted it to fat) |
| 00:39:29 | crashd | and you haven't updated the firmware since then? |
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| 00:40:08 | Mikachu | brendan_: did you do the converting in windows? |
| 00:40:15 | brendan_ | yes |
| 00:40:19 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 00:40:30 | Mikachu | if you do it in linux and don't give -F 32 to mkdosfs, very funny things happen |
| 00:40:34 | brendan_ | i didn't really convert, i just used the software on the cd to wipe it |
| 00:40:46 | crashd | Mikachu: like, fucking with the screen depth? |
| 00:40:51 | crashd | brendan_: http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/ |
| 00:41:05 | Mikachu | well no, but maybe it would have some strange random effects i dunno |
| 00:41:07 | crashd | your best bet is to update to the most recent apple firmware and reinstalling rockbox |
| 00:41:22 | crashd | Mikachu: possibly aye, but i would have thought it'd be more 'not booting' or 'weird disc stuff' |
| 00:41:41 | Mikachu | it boots but it doesn't find the config sector to write |
| 00:41:41 | crashd | there was a post on the froum a few weeks back about a guy who was running rockbox on a 4g colour, and his retailos was really old, and it was screwing with the colours |
| 00:41:47 | crashd | so it's worth a shot |
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| 00:42:40 | crashd | you might have to reinstall rockbox too, but it's no biggy :) |
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| 00:43:13 | Tarantulafudge | hey guys |
| 00:43:18 | brendan_ | crashd, the screenshots are at office.resara.com/ipod/ |
| 00:43:26 | crashd | ok, cool brendan_ |
| 00:43:34 | crashd | give the apple updated a shot too, and tell me how you get along |
| 00:43:40 | Tarantulafudge | is there any planned support for substandard players? |
| 00:43:48 | brendan_ | crashd, oops, theres an extra photo in there |
| 00:43:56 | Tarantulafudge | like the sandisk m230 |
| 00:44:08 | Mikachu | Tarantulafudge: porting to a new player is a big undertaking |
| 00:44:20 | brendan_ | crashd, it wil be a while before i can get to a windows computer |
| 00:44:33 | crashd | hazum |
| 00:44:34 | crashd | wine! |
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| 00:45:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tarantulafudge: There's never really planned support for any specific player. It takes someone to come along and just do it. |
| 00:45:44 | Mikachu | vmware might have a chance of working |
| 00:45:56 | crashd | vmware would work fine |
| 00:46:03 | crashd | if you had a windows guest setup :) |
| 00:46:05 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: isn't that usually LinusN? :) |
| 00:46:06 | Tarantulafudge | Paul_The_Nerd: how would someone begin ? |
| 00:46:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tarantulafudge: When the wiki starts not being /.ed, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 00:46:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Naaah. For example he had nothing to do with the Ipod ports really. Of the in-progress IFP or Gigabeat(kinda) ones. |
| 00:47:27 | Mikachu | ah okay |
| 00:47:37 | crashd | brendan_: those pics are a bit blurry, but i can see the low colour depth |
| 00:47:42 | crashd | well, unless the pics are meant to be like that ;) |
| 00:48:54 | Tarantulafudge | I see |
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| 00:53:46 | brendan_ | crashd, yea, my camera wouldn't focus for some reason |
| 00:54:18 | crashd | yeah |
| 00:54:23 | crashd | well, when you get to upgrade the retailos, give us a ring |
| 00:54:29 | nle | Um, hello, I got a question. I would like to install rockbox on my 20gb 4g ipod, but I dont have access on a windows machine. I use OS X. The problem is that I cant find any partiton table for my ipod (ipod 4g 20gb). Can anyone help? |
| 00:54:29 | crashd | i think that may well fix it though |
| 00:55:05 | brendan_ | crashd, hopefully |
| 00:55:35 | crashd | you could probably upgrade with just the .exe file from linux, and some creative command lines |
| 00:55:40 | crashd | if you were feeling adventurous |
| 00:58:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | nle: Unfortunately that means nobody's donated one for us yet. Until someone does you'll either need to go without rockbox, or get access to a Windows machine. If you do get access to a windows machine, we'd of course appreciate a donation of the MBR. ;-) |
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| 01:01:20 | nle | Paul_The_Nerd: Thanks for the answer! I can maybe try to install VirtualPC and get my ipod up and running there, but I dont have access on either vpc or windows right now, so I guess I haveto wait. :( |
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| 01:02:05 | nle | but if I get anywhere with vpc I will gladly donate the mbr |
| 01:02:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | nle: Yes, unfortunately the only way to install on an HFS+ formatted Ipod from MacOS requires replacing the MBR, and we only have available what people have given us. |
| 01:03:33 | nle | btw. how do I get the MBR of the ipod |
| 01:03:34 | nle | ? |
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| 01:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | nle: I think they're done simply using dd if=whatever_your_ipods_boot_partition_is of=filename.bin |
| 01:05:48 | nle | k, thx |
| 01:05:49 | nle | :) |
| 01:05:59 | crashd | bedtime, nn all |
| 01:06:00 | linuxstb | The MBR is just the first sector on the disk. So in Mac OS X, you do "dd if=/dev/disk2 of=mbr.bin count=1" |
| 01:06:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course you'd do this after converting to fat32, but *before* installing rockbox |
| 01:06:42 | nle | yes, of course |
| 01:06:42 | nle | :) |
| 01:06:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Just the person I wanted to see. Any idea why someone with an Ipod Photo is getting low colour depth in Rockbox (describes it as looking like 16 colors in plugins/etc)? |
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| 01:07:03 | crashd | the retailos! i tells you, it's the retailos! |
| 01:07:03 | crashd | ; ) |
| 01:08:30 | linuxstb | Yes, it could be the retailos (specifically, the flash-based bootloader) initialising the LCD differently to newer versions. |
| 01:08:42 | crashd | that's how the issue on the forum was resolved anyway |
| 01:09:02 | crashd | and brendan said he only installed the s/w from the cd, and hadnt updates since |
| 01:09:21 | linuxstb | Hopefully that's the reason. |
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| 01:25:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait a second, NOW Jewels gets attention as a copyright violation? And aren't there plenty of open source implementations of it that don't get flak? |
| 01:26:28 | bluebrother | Paul_The_Nerd: have you read my mail or has someone else gotten also one? |
| 01:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just read the email |
| 01:27:02 | Mikachu | didn't you rename it and everything? |
| 01:27:14 | Mikachu | unless they have a patent there's pretty much nothing they can do i think |
| 01:27:24 | bluebrother | I really don't understand their point. |
| 01:28:07 | Mikachu | you can give them a % of rockbox winnings from sales |
| 01:28:13 | Mikachu | but don't tell them that's 0 |
| 01:28:31 | bluebrother | it was renemed to Jewels from Bejeweled. Due to copyright issues, but until it popped out as plugin for rockbox I hadn't heard of the game at all. |
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| 01:28:54 | bluebrother | damn, it in the middle of the night and I need to react to something like this. |
| 01:29:16 | webguest54 | Whats the program for the ipod that plays my itunes music on rockbox (and it shows the band name) |
| 01:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I mean isn't all our art from http://sebdelestaing.free.fr/gweled/ ? Why is that still around? |
| 01:29:37 | webguest54 | Whats the program for the ipod that plays my itunes music on rockbox (and it shows the band name) |
| 01:29:46 | RotAtoR | Paul_The_Nerd: yes all the art is from there |
| 01:29:51 | bluebrother | what do you mean by "itunes music"? |
| 01:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest54: No need to repeat yourself like that. Do you mean TagCache? |
| 01:30:02 | RotAtoR | just read the email, very strange |
| 01:30:02 | webguest54 | Well u can acess your itunes music |
| 01:30:09 | webguest54 | I believe thats it |
| 01:30:19 | bluebrother | what is "itunes music"? |
| 01:30:20 | Mikachu | that would be rockbox then |
| 01:30:20 | webguest54 | It shows the band and song names and everything s on order |
| 01:30:33 | webguest54 | Im using rockbox |
| 01:30:36 | Mikachu | then you're all set |
| 01:30:37 | bluebrother | ah. You mean song database? |
| 01:30:40 | webguest54 | SO i have to copy allll my music to my ipod again? |
| 01:30:42 | webguest54 | Yeahh |
| 01:30:49 | Shonky | Does Daniel Sternberg visit here? I'd like to ask hima couple of questions. |
| 01:31:00 | bluebrother | use tagcache? |
| 01:31:13 | webguest54 | tagcache? |
| 01:31:15 | bluebrother | s/\?/\./ |
| 01:31:28 | Mikachu | Shonky: he's here right now! |
| 01:31:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest54: There's a wiki page for it, entitled TagCache. |
| 01:31:52 | bluebrother | tagcache builds a database from all your music's metadata. |
| 01:31:57 | Shonky | Mikachu: What's his nick? |
| 01:32:03 | webguest54 | I shall look thank you |
| 01:32:03 | Mikachu | Bagder |
| 01:32:04 | | Quit webguest54 (Client Quit) |
| 01:32:10 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 01:32:25 | | Join webguest54 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) |
| 01:32:27 | bluebrother | hmm, this webclient is somewhat laggy. |
| 01:32:30 | webguest54 | There is no wiki page |
| 01:32:38 | webguest54 | tagcache |
| 01:32:44 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 01:32:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is a wiki page for TagCache |
| 01:33:01 | webguest54 | thanks blue |
| 01:33:02 | bluebrother | I mentioned the link the moment your irc client went off. |
| 01:33:10 | webguest54 | Woops |
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| 01:33:24 | Shonky | Badger: Are you there? I'm guessing not if you didn't see me asking for you.... unless you have a bot looking for your nick... |
| 01:33:32 | webguest54 | Thanks all |
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| 01:34:07 | Mikachu | Shonky: BAGDER |
| 01:34:28 | Shonky | Oops |
| 01:34:38 | Shonky | Bagder: Hello? |
| 01:35:10 | | Join nle_ [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-14910.bb.online.no) |
| 01:38:14 | scottder | Badger...BADGERS, we don't need now steekin badgers! |
| 01:39:51 | Mikachu | hello, i would like a license for my pet badger eric |
| 01:40:50 | | Join webguest69 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) |
| 01:40:59 | webguest69 | Are they updating ipod video rockbox alot? |
| 01:41:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | They update rockbox alot, yes |
| 01:41:28 | bluebrother | I'd say daily ;-) |
| 01:41:36 | bluebrother | or, even more often. |
| 01:41:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depends on the time period |
| 01:41:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now, LOTS because Lostlogic is kinda insane like that |
| 01:41:55 | Shonky | scottder: There are no badgers here as I just found out. |
| 01:42:19 | bluebrother | Rockbox hasn't been released for ipod officially, so everything you can get now is pretty much work in progress. |
| 01:42:24 | Chronon | hmm. I thought that there is a feature freeze, so no new CVS updates until May 1 |
| 01:42:32 | bluebrother | just read the cvs log on the frontpage. |
| 01:42:44 | bluebrother | feature freeze means no new _features_ |
| 01:42:57 | webguest69 | Okay so when u goto that page with the picture of devices Under IPOD video you click :"Newest: ? |
| 01:42:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Chronon: Feature freeze means LOTS of CVS updates. Just none that add features. Bugfixes and the like |
| 01:42:59 | Chronon | ok |
| 01:43:02 | Chronon | gotcha |
| 01:43:17 | Chronon | concentrated on finalizing code for existing features |
| 01:43:30 | webguest69 | ? |
| 01:43:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest69: The daily builds page gives you a build made once per day, the CVS builds page gives you the newest version period, with all changes up until when it was made. |
| 01:43:55 | webguest69 | You guys can boost the volume on ur ipod here >> http://www.ringom.no/espen/euPOD_Pro.zip |
| 01:44:15 | webguest69 | So its more wise to wait til the next release? |
| 01:44:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest69: That has nothing to do with rockbox... |
| 01:45:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest69: Well, there hasn't *been* a release for Ipod yet. It's "wisest" to download the newest version every now and then. If you get a particularly buggy one, use a slightly older version. Once you find one that has very few, or no, bugs that affect you, and has the features you like, stick with it until something you HAVE to have comes along. |
| 01:46:14 | webguest69 | okay so maybe every day goto that page with the Ipod video picture and click "Latest:" and download that? If so which file do I actually put on my ipod root? |
| 01:46:45 | ts-x | Ugh - that Bejeweled thing looks semi legitimate => http://www.popcap.com/aboutus.php |
| 01:46:52 | Chronon | Just extract the zip to the root of your ipod |
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| 01:47:16 | Chronon | tell it to overwrite all files and it'll work, webguest69 |
| 01:47:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest69: Have you read the installation instructions? Once you've finished installing the bootloader, all you have to do is extract a rockbox.zip to put the newest version on. |
| 01:47:44 | webguest69 | Oh I see and my original files that i added (ex:doom) will stay |
| 01:47:49 | bluebrother | I need to leave now. Sleep was originally scheduled about 2 hours earlier. Damn mail :( |
| 01:47:51 | webguest69 | Okay |
| 01:47:56 | bluebrother | webguest69: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
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| 01:48:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Well, someone else could've read that and then forged the letter. But it seems best to assume it's real and query as to what grounds they're claiming copyright infringement on specifically (I'd say) |
| 01:51:03 | ts-x | The screens look strikingly similar as well => http://www.popcap.com/launchpage.php?theGame=diamondmine |
| 01:51:39 | bluebrother | the mail headers indicate a popcap.com server with correct ip. |
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| 01:52:14 | bluebrother | but what'd be the deal with the "deluxe" version they sell? Just bigger screen size? More icons? Themes? |
| 01:52:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | ts-x: Our art comes from a GPL'ed bejeweled clone anyway, so everything we use is on an assertion from someone else that it's legit. |
| 01:52:32 | ts-x | Ahhh |
| 01:53:08 | bluebrother | anyway, I've got to go for now. I guess I need to read the logs tomorrow ... |
| 01:53:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if ours is really infringing, the other one definitely was first. |
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| 01:53:41 | bluebrother | cu |
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| 01:54:26 | ts-x | Maybe Febs can lend some insight (since he's an attorney in the States) |
| 01:54:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I'm fairly certain the gameplay itself was not created by Popcap, since I think I remember playing games like that in the pre-WWW era. |
| 01:54:58 | Mikachu | Zooo for gba is very similar, but maybe they've licensed the idea |
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| 01:57:40 | | Join webguest85 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) |
| 01:57:45 | webguest85 | Hi quick question |
| 01:58:02 | ts-x | I wonder if all of the recent publicity led them here...damn you / . ;) |
| 01:58:13 | webguest85 | When playing music on rockbox. How do I get back into the root (.rockbox. notes etc |
| 01:58:25 | Mikachu | one of the buttons should do it |
| 01:58:25 | webguest85 | (Are you talking about digg.com?) |
| 01:58:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you want to stop the music? |
| 01:58:37 | webguest85 | Well just go back to the root menu |
| 01:58:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or do you want to get to the filetree while the music continues playing? |
| 01:58:40 | Mikachu | /. = slashdot.org |
| 01:58:54 | webguest85 | Back to the root |
| 01:58:57 | webguest85 | menu |
| 01:59:03 | ts-x | It's on digg as well |
| 01:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: Hold Play/Pause for about 1-2 second if you want to stop the music. Just tap select if you want the music to continue |
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| 01:59:15 | webguest85 | Lemme try |
| 01:59:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: The filetree and the menu are two different things... |
| 01:59:29 | webguest85 | From dig |
| 01:59:29 | webguest85 | http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223 |
| 01:59:32 | webguest85 | menu |
| 01:59:33 | * | Paul_The_Nerd suggests reading the manual |
| 01:59:37 | webguest85 | File tree is the ipod root correct? |
| 01:59:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 01:59:47 | webguest85 | yes file tree |
| 01:59:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it's the Select button. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a manual available at the site, and I would recommend greatly reading it. |
| 02:00:31 | webguest85 | I dont haev the time to read a PDF with 88888 pages |
| 02:00:32 | Mikachu | not greatly recommend then? /me hides |
| 02:00:34 | webguest85 | Sorry |
| 02:00:43 | Mikachu | webguest85: we don't have time to rewrite what's already in the manual |
| 02:00:50 | Mikachu | to you on irc |
| 02:01:11 | webguest85 | You can easily reword it too "menu button for 2 seconds" |
| 02:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: Why do you think it's somebody else's responsibility to hand you information that you can't be bothered to get yourself? |
| 02:01:35 | webguest85 | This is an irc for help.... |
| 02:01:37 | Mikachu | no |
| 02:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Help" is for "Problems" |
| 02:02:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | "I can't be bothered to demonstrate my position as a member of literate society by reading the instructions for a piece of software I choose to use" is not a "Rockbox problem" it is a "User problem" |
| 02:02:19 | webguest85 | I love you |
| 02:02:25 | Chronon | heheh |
| 02:02:40 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: that is one of the politer RTFM i have seen in a while :) |
| 02:02:43 | webguest85 | =D |
| 02:03:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: You once asked how I stay sane? That's it right there. Coming up with new and interesting RTFM alternatives. |
| 02:03:14 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 02:03:22 | webguest85 | lol |
| 02:03:34 | Mikachu | i'm not sure it was me who asked, but i've wondered too |
| 02:03:37 | webguest85 | I figured out the tagcache deal |
| 02:03:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, well somebody asked me. |
| 02:03:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Several people have asked me. |
| 02:04:02 | webguest85 | It sucks that you have to change it to "show id3 files" to see the music you want. or else it dont show :( |
| 02:04:25 | Mikachu | yes omg there's a setting to do what you want and it's not on by default :(((((( |
| 02:04:45 | scottder | The Horror |
| 02:04:48 | webguest85 | ? |
| 02:04:52 | scottder | You must make a friend of horror |
| 02:05:13 | webguest85 | It shows my music "artist, album etc" But it dont show the other root folders :( |
| 02:05:20 | * | Mikachu mixes some mandrake root and eye of newt to concoct a friend of horror |
| 02:05:38 | scottder | root folders? |
| 02:06:02 | webguest85 | calendar ipod_control .rockbox |
| 02:06:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: Well, if your music was in a "Music" folder, in perhaps the format \Music\Artist\Album\Track - Title.mp3 it'd show well in the file tree |
| 02:06:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I assume you've got it in the "compatible with itunes" format of "horribly obfuscated filenames of doom" |
| 02:06:31 | webguest85 | But its taking it from Ipod_Control/music |
| 02:06:44 | webguest85 | but If i goto that folder it shows the d123 d341 folders |
| 02:06:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:06:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because TagCache shows music based on their Tags |
| 02:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the directory tree shows it based on their filenames |
| 02:07:11 | webguest85 | Yeah |
| 02:07:17 | warthawg | i think it is time to put some saint willie on the nano |
| 02:07:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if you copied over music using the Ipod as a disk, rather than by way of Itunes, the music wouldn't get renamed, and you'd be set. |
| 02:07:34 | | Join mooch [0] (n=TheCurio@a80-186-228-34.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 02:07:35 | mooch | hi |
| 02:07:47 | webguest85 | But sometimes I use the original firmware |
| 02:07:50 | scottder | Yeah what Paul_The_Nerd |
| 02:07:52 | mooch | if i install rockbox on my ipod5g, do i loose the music I have already there? |
| 02:08:00 | webguest85 | no mooch |
| 02:08:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I personally, and I suspect many here, actively advocate the growth of users beyond the constraints of music management software that prevents you from having personal control of the state of your music. :) |
| 02:08:06 | mooch | great! |
| 02:08:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: Why do you use the original to listen to music? |
| 02:08:15 | webguest85 | lol pauk |
| 02:08:16 | webguest85 | paul* |
| 02:08:22 | scottder | But as webguest85 is learning, itunes meses with file names |
| 02:08:30 | webguest85 | because its complicated to navigate |
| 02:08:46 | mooch | the only problem i have is that my ipod claims to be in lock mode and it only mounts read-only under linux, so i might have to dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/ipod to clean it up |
| 02:08:55 | scottder | I copy music of and do Genre/Artist/Album |
| 02:08:57 | mooch | or has anyone any idea how to solve that? |
| 02:09:01 | scottder | couldn't be easier to navigate |
| 02:09:14 | webguest85 | If I want to use tag cache. I have to goto general settings>file view> then show ID3 files Then theres my music! But The rest of my root files dont show. |
| 02:09:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: I thought you said you listened to music in the Retail OS |
| 02:09:52 | webguest85 | I vary between the 2 |
| 02:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't make sense to me to listen to it in both. I can understand doing music in retail, and games/etc in Rockbox. Or doing Music in Rockbox, and only using retail for video... |
| 02:11:00 | webguest85 | Well since i got that sound booster. Perhaps for retail os ill use it as music/videos and rockbox for apps/games :) thanks paul |
| 02:11:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would suggest simply learning to use Rockbox for Music |
| 02:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as Rockbox does support the full range of volume that the Ipod can output. |
| 02:11:52 | webguest85 | Well I got the volume booster and it gets LOUD in retail os |
| 02:12:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
| 02:12:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, Rockbox supports the full range of the hardware. |
| 02:12:22 | webguest85 | I know |
| 02:12:32 | webguest85 | But I guess Im just to used to ipod os |
| 02:12:45 | webguest85 | What kinda of things non music related can I do in rockbox on my 5g |
| 02:12:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not many things. |
| 02:13:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as what it does is "Play music better" |
| 02:13:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's kinda its purpose |
| 02:13:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a few games and other things, and a better jpeg viewer, but that's about it |
| 02:13:53 | webguest85 | Could you hook me up with a link to the games? and how so a better music player? |
| 02:14:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The games come with it... |
| 02:14:27 | midkay | better music player. haha. |
| 02:14:29 | webguest85 | oh... I mean 3rd party gamses |
| 02:14:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | And "Gapless, Crossfade, Crossfeed, several new formats, Parametric Equalizer, Replaygain, on the fly full playlist creation and saving" |
| 02:14:45 | ts-x | webguest85 => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 02:14:50 | midkay | i hope we don't get too many of these visits since the recent burst of publicity.. |
| 02:14:59 | webguest85 | thanks |
| 02:15:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Were you laughing at whether or not it is a better music player? |
| 02:15:15 | mooch | Ogg is kind of the thing i am looking for |
| 02:15:20 | mooch | 8) |
| 02:15:20 | webguest85 | I just wish I knew how to make playlist and stuff. I did read the pdf and it hurts my mind |
| 02:15:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, no, at the fact that he "wants" a better music player, as if it's.. not integrated in rockbox or something. |
| 02:15:29 | mooch | does it skip much playing Vorbis? |
| 02:15:33 | midkay | oh. never mind. misread that. |
| 02:15:34 | webguest85 | All I wanna do is shuffle |
| 02:15:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I've even to valid MP3s that the Retail OS won't play properly. |
| 02:15:46 | midkay | i thought he said he "wanted new plugins and a better music player".. |
| 02:16:03 | webguest85 | i didnt say that |
| 02:16:04 | midkay | even so, i hope.. pray.. this doesn't happen too often. :) |
| 02:16:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | mooch: On the Nano I can play Q8 vorbis without a problem. |
| 02:16:16 | midkay | webguest85, *read* - i said "i thought he said", not "he said". |
| 02:16:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'm already trying to prepare myself to be ready for the forums. I read the slashdot responses and it made me sad. |
| 02:16:58 | webguest85 | Im prob gonna copy all my music into rockbox for the hell of it |
| 02:17:00 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah.. |
| 02:17:02 | webguest85 | i got 25 gigs |
| 02:18:00 | webguest85 | WHAT if I made a suffle, playlist file with Winamp and copied that file into rockbox!? |
| 02:18:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you could play it? |
| 02:18:20 | midkay | what if you just used tagcache? or did i miss something? |
| 02:18:20 | mooch | Paul_The_Nerd: the problem is that i have ALL my music collection (circa 500 cds) in flac+vorbis, so now that i got a video 30gb i do not want to get into the trouble of converting again all the flacs into mp3s |
| 02:18:25 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha. |
| 02:18:35 | webguest85 | TAGCACHE |
| 02:18:37 | Galois | 'A "wealth of codecs" is only really important when you are pirating your music from fellow people who cannot decide on a single standard and you don't want to have to be bothered to convert your booty before it goes to your player.' <−− shining example of piercingly inciteful slashdot commentary |
| 02:18:40 | Galois | er, I meant insightful |
| 02:18:42 | webguest85 | All I want to do is shuffle my music |
| 02:18:44 | scottder | vorbis r00lz! |
| 02:18:44 | scottder | :) |
| 02:18:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | mooch: Well, are they Q8 or higher vorbis, or lower than that? |
| 02:18:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: Why did you just type TAGCACHE in all caps? |
| 02:19:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, your witty responses make the probably-upcoming hell almost worth it :) |
| 02:19:08 | mooch | Paul_The_Nerd: i use -b 192, so dunno... ;) |
| 02:19:12 | webguest85 | IS there a way to make a shuffle playlist with tagcache |
| 02:19:18 | midkay | HAHA. |
| 02:19:31 | mooch | Paul_The_Nerd: my biggest problem is the issue with the lock hard disk... |
| 02:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | mooch: CBR vorbis is already a bad idea. But, those should have no problem playing. Q8 averages ~225ish, maybe higher. |
| 02:19:53 | Moos | Musepack r00lz ; ) |
| 02:20:11 | webguest85 | Can you make a shuffle playlist with tagcache? |
| 02:20:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: Can winamp find all the files on your player to make a playlist? 'cuz you can then save the playlist in the root, switch to file view to launch the playlist. Playlist use has nothing to do with TagCache being enabled or disabled really |
| 02:20:15 | scottder | I've been trying Q3 vorbis files with pretty good results |
| 02:20:22 | mooch | Paul_The_Nerd: i mean, i am ready to trash my ipod, but i have no idea how to solve the problem with accessing the hard disk... |
| 02:20:22 | scottder | certainly good enough for portable listening |
| 02:20:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | mooch: That part I really don't know. |
| 02:20:40 | mooch | Paul_The_Nerd: the kernels sets it into read-only mode for some stupid reason |
| 02:21:09 | mooch | Paul_The_Nerd: i think i posted it somewhere... |
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| 02:21:10 | webguest85 | Thats a great idea pal |
| 02:21:11 | webguest85 | im gonna try |
| 02:21:16 | webguest85 | im gonna try it |
| 02:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest85: If you do it *right* I guarantee it'll work. ;-) |
| 02:22:32 | webguest85 | So ill open a folder through winamp and ill naviage to my ipod drive? |
| 02:22:53 | webguest85 | Wow and winamp encodes it too |
| 02:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, just add the Ipod Control folder to a playlist in Winamp, and then save it as an M3U playlist in the root of your ipod |
| 02:24:02 | webguest85 | Thats the plan :) |
| 02:24:20 | webguest85 | Testing now |
| 02:24:42 | | Join webguest11 [0] (n=44cd0e62@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:24:56 | webguest85 | WORKS Paul your my hero! |
| 02:25:04 | | Quit angelashes () |
| 02:25:12 | scottder | No applause just Paypal donations :) |
| 02:25:17 | webguest85 | lol |
| 02:25:21 | ashridah | you know, i'm wondering if there actually *are* any copyright violations or trademark violations in jewels. the name's still a little dodgy, but there's no copyright violation if you made all the art yourself (not to mention code), and there's no trademark violation if your art doesn't look like his (that's assuming he HAS a trademark on the art) |
| 02:26:05 | scottder | I just want Doom on my nano...all the cool kids have it! |
| 02:26:06 | scottder | :0 |
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| 02:26:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | ahsridah: The art definitely looks somewhat similar to Bejeweled, and there is the name thing. But that's aboug it. |
| 02:26:15 | ashridah | and unless he's trademarked the gameplay (which i doubt, or ID software would probably be the only company that can create FPS's)... |
| 02:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Not to mention I swear I played the same game on my NES before Popcap even existed. |
| 02:26:38 | scottder | ashridah: don't give them ideas! |
| 02:27:11 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: time to hit the NES game archives then |
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| 02:27:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Yeah. Well, maybe not NES unfortunately, but I do have fairly clear memories of a very pixellated game with identical or very nearly identical gameplay |
| 02:27:54 | qwm | can i use rockbox to make toast |
| 02:28:30 | ashridah | so what's this recent slashdotting anyway? |
| 02:28:37 | ashridah | ah, nevermind |
| 02:28:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | qwm: Make sure you have a LOT of very small MP3 files with tags on them, and then start a Tagcache Update. Lay plastic side down, and put the bread on the metal side. |
| 02:29:18 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: heh |
| 02:29:21 | qwm | haha. |
| 02:29:23 | qwm | excellent idea! |
| 02:29:23 | Alicia_R | Yeah, I found Rockbox through Slashdot, and figured I'd throw it on my iPod 5G. :l |
| 02:29:24 | | Quit webguest11 (Client Quit) |
| 02:29:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Note: This procedure may only be possible on HD based Ipods. |
| 02:29:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, I have to go. I have a dinner to eat. I shall return later. |
| 02:29:56 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 02:30:50 | ashridah | anyway, we need to rename jewels again (although i seriously object that "jewels" is close to "bejeweled", it's easier to remove any reference to jewel at all, and change the artwork so it's not similar in any way shape or form |
| 02:30:57 | Alicia_R | I managed to get the loader on there, but whenever I extract the rockbox firmware and other stuff like that to the root iPod directory, I get "Rockbox error: -1" upon rebooting it. |
| 02:31:08 | ashridah | then he can only give us hell about the gameplay style. |
| 02:31:14 | Alicia_R | And upon checking the disc, the rockbox.ipod file is gone, and .rockbox is corrupt. :l |
| 02:31:29 | scottder | bestoned? |
| 02:31:30 | scottder | :) |
| 02:32:47 | obo | Alicia_R: can only suggest you fix any disk errors and re-extract rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder |
| 02:32:50 | ashridah | ScootScat: haha |
| 02:33:03 | Alicia_R | Yeah, I just restored the iPod and tried again. |
| 02:33:06 | ashridah | god damn nick complete |
| 02:33:16 | ashridah | scottder: something like that. |
| 02:33:56 | scottder | :) |
| 02:34:05 | ashridah | Alicia_R: are you possibly not letting it finish writing before disconnecting the device? |
| 02:34:45 | Alicia_R | What do you mean? Windows XP says it's finished extracting to the root directory, so I wait a minute for good measure, then reboot the iPod. |
| 02:35:11 | Alicia_R | I get the -1 error, and upon checking root again, rockbox.ipod is gone. This is weird. |
| 02:35:51 | ashridah | Alicia_R: uh, don't you need to go for the whole "disconnect usb device" (you could be using firewire i guess) |
| 02:36:11 | ashridah | just yanking it out isn't what i'd call conclusive :) |
| 02:36:16 | Alicia_R | I'm using USB. But that might be it.. lemme try again. :b |
| 02:36:23 | scottder | be sure to eject it within Itunes |
| 02:36:33 | scottder | that's what I do with my Nano |
| 02:36:35 | Alicia_R | Aah, didn't think about that. |
| 02:36:38 | | Join StE_gUy [0] (i=dmin@206-248-130-124.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 02:37:49 | ashridah | woo. slashdot. kings of disinformation |
| 02:37:55 | crwl | \o/ |
| 02:37:58 | crwl | indeed |
| 02:37:59 | scottder | get it right |
| 02:38:05 | scottder | kings of OLD disinformation |
| 02:38:32 | crwl | does rockbox support ogg vorbis?!?! ;P it sounds HORRRID! |
| 02:39:01 | scottder | ? |
| 02:40:08 | scottder | speak in slashdotese "it 01nz j00~!" |
| 02:40:39 | crwl | z0rry!1 |
| 02:40:48 | scottder | :) |
| 02:41:18 | * | scottder listens to Walter Piston in glorious OGG Vorbis Sound! |
| 02:41:19 | scottder | :) |
| 02:41:24 | mooch | i will try rockbox tomorrow... ;) |
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| 02:41:41 | roostishaw | hello? |
| 02:42:18 | scottder | goodbye? |
| 02:42:23 | roostishaw | :D |
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| 02:42:59 | roostishaw | how long should it take to extract the 'bootpartition.bin' from my ipod? |
| 02:44:11 | Galois | somebody mod my reply up :P |
| 02:44:26 | * | Galois took the troll seriously ... probably not good for one's health, but oh well |
| 02:44:49 | ashridah | Galois: which troll? practically the entire thread is full of them |
| 02:44:51 | roostishaw | ...anyone know? |
| 02:45:18 | Alicia_R | There we go. Restored iPod again, and now I've got the loader on and functioning. Adding the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder.. |
| 02:46:48 | Galois | this one http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183106&cid=15130621 |
| 02:47:03 | Apostle^ | roostishaw: not long |
| 02:47:03 | nle | is there anyway to trick the ipod into not needing the external power adapter after a restore (ipod 4g). |
| 02:47:13 | nle | i dont have it here :/ |
| 02:47:57 | Galois | reset the ipod... |
| 02:48:20 | roostishaw | Apostle^, is the correct command dd if=/dev/sda2 of=bootpartition.bin ? |
| 02:48:31 | TeaSea | Is there any way to trick the X5 into updating firmware without the adaptor? My friend really wants rockbox but can't find his adaptor :D |
| 02:48:47 | Apostle^ | roostishaw: /dev/sda1 probably since '2' is usually the storage partition |
| 02:49:20 | roostishaw | Apostle^, ok, but how do i know thats my ipod and not my hdd ? |
| 02:49:34 | Apostle^ | roostishaw: right after you plug in the hd type dmesg in a terminal |
| 02:49:40 | Apostle^ | it will give you theright one like sdh |
| 02:49:45 | Apostle^ | then you would do /dev/sdh |
| 02:49:46 | Apostle^ | :-P |
| 02:49:48 | Apostle^ | sdh1 * |
| 02:50:13 | roostishaw | oh, nvm, got it. sda1 woked ... thank you! :D |
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| 02:50:22 | Moos | TeaSea: sorry, not as far I know. The adaptator is needed for the flashing process |
| 02:50:28 | TeaSea | Moos: k |
| 02:50:29 | TeaSea | cheers |
| 02:50:34 | Moos | np |
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| 03:00:41 | Moos | Bye all ! |
| 03:00:53 | yobesoom | bi bi |
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| 03:02:48 | webguest90 | Now I know I cant do this. but can someone give me a link to download a doom2.wad for free |
| 03:03:46 | ashridah | there's a link to doom1's shareware wad on the plugin page for doom iirc |
| 03:03:56 | midkay | google.com/search?q=doom+2+wad !! |
| 03:03:58 | webguest90 | I need doom2 |
| 03:04:05 | ashridah | "need" ? |
| 03:04:10 | webguest90 | I googled it but....it doesnt show it |
| 03:04:12 | TeaSea | Any rules against profanity? |
| 03:04:15 | webguest90 | i need it for add ons |
| 03:04:40 | webguest90 | I need it free. It doesnt show it in google |
| 03:04:45 | midkay | TeaSea, on irc? not specifically, but using it to excess isn't a good idea i think :) |
| 03:04:46 | ashridah | TeaSea: where? |
| 03:04:50 | TeaSea | here. |
| 03:05:04 | webguest90 | ? |
| 03:05:08 | midkay | webguest90, buy it or find it.. it's somewhat illegal to, you know, pirate stuff.. |
| 03:05:09 | ashridah | i imagine we'd prefer that you don't use it |
| 03:05:18 | TeaSea | Ah okay :( |
| 03:05:21 | yobesoom | some swede you are... home of the piracy party |
| 03:05:25 | yobesoom | you should know where to go for these things |
| 03:05:28 | TeaSea | I was going to just show the JFGI link. |
| 03:05:41 | midkay | jfgi? |
| 03:05:43 | webguest90 | Please help me out |
| 03:05:49 | yobesoom | jfgi = just f'ing google it |
| 03:06:06 | ashridah | webguest90: help you steal something you can probably find just by hitting up piratebay or something? |
| 03:06:08 | midkay | ah.. |
| 03:06:17 | webguest90 | Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis? |
| 03:06:19 | webguest90 | lol |
| 03:06:24 | TeaSea | :D |
| 03:06:33 | webguest90 | I went to pirate bay.....but no seeders |
| 03:06:38 | webguest90 | And google shows nothing |
| 03:06:39 | ashridah | bummer |
| 03:06:50 | ashridah | well. can't help you then. |
| 03:07:11 | yobesoom | try a filename that'd be more.. warezy. I give you no more hints. |
| 03:07:25 | webguest90 | doom2.wad |
| 03:07:31 | webguest90 | warezy... |
| 03:07:31 | yobesoom | no. |
| 03:08:22 | webguest90 | ? |
| 03:08:27 | webguest90 | Whats warezy |
| 03:09:38 | lostlogic | mmm, wings and beer. |
| 03:10:00 | webguest90 | :'( |
| 03:10:14 | webguest90 | *sniffle* |
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| 03:13:51 | ashridah | you know what rocks? restoring a dump of a mysql database. one. record. at. a. time |
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| 03:14:07 | ashridah | "Query OK, 1 row affected (0.01 sec)" |
| 03:14:11 | ashridah | over and over and over again |
| 03:14:12 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:14:17 | midkay | script? |
| 03:14:20 | ashridah | motherfuckers, good thing i'm not on a timelimit |
| 03:14:24 | ashridah | midkay: yeah |
| 03:14:42 | ashridah | be nice if it was a mysql hot copy instead |
| 03:14:58 | midkay | hm.. |
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| 03:15:46 | ashridah | ah well |
| 03:15:50 | ashridah | like i say, no time limit |
| 03:16:35 | ashridah | of course, i could probably have sped it up by finding some way to do it and redirect the output to a file instead of the terminal |
| 03:16:41 | ashridah | (then i'd be able to check for failures too) |
| 03:17:00 | webguest90 | MMMMMMMMMMMM CHEESE BURGER |
| 03:17:46 | ashridah | heh. yep, definently think the xterm is the bottleneck, it's chewing 75% cpu |
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| 03:20:18 | kjlkjh | Lol |
| 03:20:21 | kjlkjh | that was awesome |
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| 03:20:38 | kjlkjh | Bye guyes |
| 03:20:40 | kjlkjh | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 03:21:20 | ashridah | yeah. great thing about slashdot exposure... wait. what am i saying, there *is* no great thing about slashdot exposure. |
| 03:22:43 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 35 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:22:43 | * | ts-x shakes fist at /. |
| 03:24:53 | BHSPitLappy | oh sorry guys |
| 03:25:06 | BHSPitLappy | I thought I was in a different, less professional tab |
| 03:25:10 | * | BHSPitLappy embarrased |
| 03:26:39 | * | ts-x goes back to listening to his *HORRID* ogg vorbis files ;) http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183106&cid=15130058 |
| 03:27:26 | ashridah | and lets not forget the nasty run-on nature of gapless playback |
| 03:27:28 | TeaSea | Haha yes. |
| 03:27:34 | TeaSea | ts-x: That comment was hilarious. |
| 03:27:54 | TeaSea | Has he been listening to quality 0 vorbis or something? :D |
| 03:27:58 | TeaSea | Even then it's still better than mp3. |
| 03:28:06 | TeaSea | He just likes the sound of CORPORATE DOOM in his ears. |
| 03:28:19 | warthawg | i have a question |
| 03:28:30 | dpassen1 | -q -2 maybe |
| 03:28:33 | warthawg | are the slashdot comments better or worse than the digg comments |
| 03:28:59 | lostlogic | what the heck is goin' on in here? |
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| 03:29:51 | midkay | lostlogic, slashdot_idiots is what's going on in here... |
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| 03:30:53 | lostlogic | :) |
| 03:33:05 | kidd3ckz | don't flame- quick q: vid supported on 5g with rockbox firmware ? |
| 03:34:55 | ts-x | no |
| 03:35:15 | ts-x | Have to boot retailos for that |
| 03:35:58 | kidd3ckz | ok one more, will anapod manager work with it? |
| 03:36:05 | ashridah | kidd3ckz: sadly, the video chipset in the 5g's is poorly documented at best, and broadcom (naturally) aren't being helpful, so vid support is going to be a long long while |
| 03:36:33 | kidd3ckz | who u gotta hack to get the docs? |
| 03:36:45 | kidd3ckz | :) |
| 03:36:46 | lostlogic | kidd3ckz: broadcom |
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| 03:37:03 | lostlogic | kidd3ckz: but rather than broadcom, go after portalplayer for specs for the pp5021c |
| 03:37:15 | lostlogic | :) |
| 03:37:41 | kidd3ckz | :) |
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| 03:40:08 | VoltageX | once rockbox is built, what parts do i copy to my player? |
| 03:40:48 | thouters | VoltageX: make zip |
| 03:40:50 | thouters | and unzip the zip |
| 03:43:25 | thouters | VoltageX: what are you trying to do (I'm trying to fix the calendar.c so I can use it to view my class schedule:-) |
| 03:44:44 | VoltageX | build rockbox so i can see if my plugin works |
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| 03:45:04 | VoltageX | but when it's built, build/ contains a lot of source files mixed with binaries |
| 03:45:29 | thouters | it's mentioned on the website somewhere |
| 03:45:45 | thouters | make zip/ unzip works fine for me :) |
| 03:45:55 | thouters | what plugin did you write? |
| 03:46:22 | VoltageX | allyourbase.rock :) |
| 03:46:28 | VoltageX | it's just a helloworld |
| 03:46:52 | thouters | :) |
| 03:46:53 | VoltageX | I did make bzip2 |
| 03:47:02 | midkay | you only need to copy apps/plugins/allyourbase.rock to test changes.. |
| 03:47:16 | VoltageX | oh yeah *slaps forehead |
| 03:47:18 | thouters | good point there :P |
| 03:47:21 | midkay | that's builddir/apps/plugins/allyourbase.rock - make sure your rockbox build is up-to-date though. |
| 03:47:44 | midkay | maybe make zip and install it the first time, and for later tests just make and then copy the rock. |
| 03:48:04 | thouters | you can cut some of the plugins out of SOURCES, if you want it to compile faster ;) |
| 03:48:17 | VoltageX | can you make a .rock without the whole rockbox? |
| 03:48:58 | ashridah | no-one's really exported a development environment yet |
| 03:49:58 | thouters | VoltageX: the build doesn't compile already compiled files again |
| 03:50:15 | thouters | so it doesn't slow your trail and error that mutch |
| 03:50:28 | VoltageX | wtf...the file isn't there |
| 03:50:52 | warthawg | good time to catch up on latest daily build, i reckon |
| 03:50:53 | VoltageX | and there's no helloworld.c either |
| 03:52:10 | thouters | VoltageX: did you include the file in SOURCES? |
| 03:52:32 | VoltageX | no, helloworld.c was never downloaded from CVS |
| 03:52:44 | thouters | well, in apps/plugins |
| 03:52:46 | VoltageX | was it removed? (there was something in the wiki about it) |
| 03:52:48 | thouters | is a file named SOURCES |
| 03:53:02 | thouters | all cfiles listed in there get compiled |
| 03:53:25 | thouters | figured that one out myself, took me a few mins, though |
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| 03:55:22 | thouters | mmm, when I disconnect my nano from diskmode, I get a b/w battery symbol with a ! symbol |
| 03:55:38 | warthawg | next song is right :) |
| 03:56:39 | scottder | thouters: happens to me too |
| 03:56:42 | scottder | just reboot |
| 03:57:04 | thouters | if it's common then I don't mind |
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| 04:02:09 | thouters | Is this correct (bubbles.c) the help says RIGHT+LEFT to resume, now BUBBLES_RESUME is defined as BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_LEFT |
| 04:04:44 | VoltageX | oh dear... compiling my plugin, a page of errors |
| 04:05:09 | | Part pascha |
| 04:06:47 | VoltageX | "No rule to make playback_control.h |
| 04:06:50 | VoltageX | wtf? |
| 04:07:41 | thouters | weird |
| 04:07:46 | thouters | well, i'm gonna get some sleep |
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| 04:13:22 | brendan_ | does anyone know how to update the apple firmware without an external power supply? |
| 04:14:02 | brendan_ | Mine broke, and i tried to update the firmware, but won't let me finish untill i connect it to a power supply |
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| 04:21:04 | Jungti1234 | hi all |
| 04:21:23 | BHSPitLappy | hi one |
| 04:21:29 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 04:21:45 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: did you see my patch to test? |
| 04:21:50 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 04:22:03 | Jungti1234 | here is not home |
| 04:22:15 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: ah, so no patch now? |
| 04:22:22 | Jungti1234 | wait.. |
| 04:22:32 | Jungti1234 | I'll try it |
| 04:22:38 | Jungti1234 | now |
| 04:23:12 | lostlogic | http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/main_menu_scroll.patch |
| 04:23:16 | Jungti1234 | thanks |
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| 04:23:26 | HyenBeen | Hi |
| 04:23:30 | lostlogic | should maek the long strings scroll adn doesn't seem to break non-long strings. |
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| 04:24:15 | | Join webguest68 [0] (n=7df11002@labb.contactor.se) |
| 04:24:23 | lostlogic | Mikachu: still able to break the buffer? |
| 04:24:44 | webguest68 | SSi bbal Jang nan Hea ? |
| 04:25:03 | lostlogic | webguest68: this is an english channel. |
| 04:25:20 | webguest68 | Ni Mi Bea GGob JJab Nya? |
| 04:26:10 | VoltageX | anyone care to help a noob? my helloworld.c isn't compiling |
| 04:29:01 | webguest68 | fuck you !! |
| 04:29:14 | webguest68 | Noob - you |
| 04:29:20 | webguest68 | im not noob |
| 04:29:21 | webguest68 | Fycj |
| 04:29:47 | webguest68 | fuck you |
| 04:29:49 | webguest68 | fuck you |
| 04:29:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK webguest68 |
| 04:29:53 | webguest68 | fuck you |
| 04:29:57 | webguest68 | thx !! |
| 04:30:06 | scottder | welcome to ignore webguest68 |
| 04:30:08 | scottder | idiot |
| 04:30:20 | scottder | Isn't it past your bedtime |
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| 04:34:10 | | Part YouCeyE ("Leaving") |
| 04:34:14 | webguest68 | Deac in Fuck you |
| 04:34:35 | | Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) |
| 04:34:48 | webguest68 | fuck u |
| 04:34:52 | webguest68 | Why not? |
| 04:34:57 | webguest68 | you fuck !! |
| 04:35:00 | webguest68 | thx ^^; |
| 04:35:09 | cacophony | I cant find a screenshot page on the site |
| 04:35:14 | cacophony | thats uncommon for open source projects |
| 04:35:42 | Jungti1234 | for what? |
| 04:35:44 | ts-x | cacophony: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 04:35:47 | lostlogic | cacophony: there are WPS galleries, but each persons screen shots are rather different, and the overall rockbox is just text menus |
| 04:35:50 | | Join webguest38 [0] (n=42411039@labb.contactor.se) |
| 04:35:55 | webguest38 | hey guys |
| 04:36:08 | webguest68 | why? |
| 04:36:18 | webguest68 | why sir? |
| 04:36:23 | webguest38 | can anyone help me out with patching? |
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| 04:36:32 | VoltageX | that's an interesting bot webguest |
| 04:36:33 | webguest38 | i cant seem to get it |
| 04:36:34 | webguest68 | Fuck u |
| 04:36:42 | webguest38 | ? |
| 04:36:42 | cacophony | ah |
| 04:36:44 | VoltageX | hi webguest |
| 04:36:45 | webguest68 | you a ga ri closed |
| 04:36:47 | VoltageX | hi webguest |
| 04:36:49 | ashridah | VoltageX: it's not a bot, it's a http->irc gateway |
| 04:36:55 | VoltageX | oh |
| 04:36:56 | webguest38 | hi |
| 04:37:02 | webguest68 | a ga ri da mu ro SSi BBA RA |
| 04:37:02 | cacophony | does the version for the video ipod, play videos? |
| 04:37:13 | webguest68 | Fuck man Shout up ! |
| 04:37:34 | webguest38 | does anyone know how to patch? |
| 04:37:35 | ashridah | cacophony: no, and it's likely to be a while before it does. that said, the unit can dual-boot, so you won't lose the functionality |
| 04:37:41 | ashridah | webguest38: which model player? |
| 04:37:42 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 04:37:48 | ashridah | and what bit are you having trouble with? |
| 04:37:55 | webguest38 | the ipod g4 |
| 04:37:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 04:37:56 | * | ashridah assumes ipod given the recent /. story |
| 04:38:20 | webguest38 | i have the patches i need but do not know how to apply them |
| 04:38:34 | webguest38 | i have tried through the command line |
| 04:38:37 | webguest68 | Fuck you |
| 04:38:41 | Jungti1234 | webguest68: Please be quiet |
| 04:38:50 | webguest38 | but keep getting hunk errors |
| 04:38:53 | VoltageX | WTF? why does webguest keep saying fuck you |
| 04:39:08 | ashridah | VoltageX: because he's a tool |
| 04:39:16 | webguest38 | an IRC tool |
| 04:39:17 | VoltageX | ok |
| 04:39:18 | lostlogic | webguest38: then the patches aren't applying cleanly, they might be out of date from the latest CVS that you have. |
| 04:39:29 | webguest38 | hmm |
| 04:39:31 | webguest38 | ok |
| 04:39:37 | webguest38 | i'll try and get the latest |
| 04:39:41 | VoltageX | lostlogic: would you mind helping me to get my helloworld to compile? |
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| 04:40:16 | roostishaw | hi, how do i save my settings? |
| 04:40:17 | lostlogic | VoltageX: you were serious about that, eh? sure, pastebin it. |
| 04:40:28 | lostlogic | roostishaw: main menu|manage settings|save .cfg file |
| 04:40:35 | VoltageX | lostlogic: I gotta start somewhere |
| 04:40:37 | roostishaw | then... |
| 04:40:50 | roostishaw | will it load automatically from then on? |
| 04:41:06 | lostlogic | roostishaw: no, there are active settings which are saved in a special sector and those load automatically |
| 04:41:32 | lostlogic | but if something resets them or an imcompatible version of the settings block comes out then you will need to load from a .cfg file |
| 04:41:40 | lostlogic | so you can go to manage settings -> load .cfg file to load one |
| 04:41:42 | roostishaw | so whats the point of even going through the trouble of customizing all the setting if they're not saved? |
| 04:41:54 | lostlogic | roostishaw: they _are_ in a special sector, as I said |
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| 04:42:12 | lostlogic | and loaded by default... the .cfg files are just for saving different batches of settings for different purposes |
| 04:42:21 | roostishaw | ...ok, so they do load on startup? |
| 04:42:23 | lostlogic | or so you can restore your settings after an incompatible upgrade |
| 04:42:29 | lostlogic | rightr, but not from a .cfg file |
| 04:42:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or for transferring settings from one unit to another |
| 04:42:34 | roostishaw | just installed |
| 04:42:46 | lostlogic | saving and loading on boot are completely automatic unless there is an incompatible settings block version |
| 04:42:48 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 04:42:49 | webguest38 | yeah, my patches still arent working |
| 04:42:49 | Jungti1234 | lostlogic |
| 04:42:52 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: yes? |
| 04:42:54 | Jungti1234 | It works fine |
| 04:42:58 | Jungti1234 | very nice |
| 04:43:01 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: ok, will commit |
| 04:43:04 | Jungti1234 | :) thanks |
| 04:43:07 | Jungti1234 | ahh |
| 04:43:08 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 04:43:26 | roostishaw | lostlogic, what is an incompatable upgrade? |
| 04:43:48 | Jungti1234 | lostlogic? |
| 04:44:01 | webguest38 | so, can anyone help me out with this? |
| 04:44:01 | lostlogic | roostishaw: the config sector is a binary on disk format, with explicit bit sizes for each field, so if we add another bit to a field, it is invalid. |
| 04:44:17 | webguest68 | Fuck u !! |
| 04:44:22 | webguest68 | aLL Shout up !! |
| 04:44:24 | Jungti1234 | hey webguest68 |
| 04:44:24 | lostlogic | webguest38: I already told you what the problem most likely is, you either have to resolve the conflicts by hand or wait for new patch versions from the creators |
| 04:44:27 | webguest68 | Baby~~!!!! |
| 04:44:29 | Jungti1234 | are you crazy? |
| 04:44:30 | webguest68 | Dog baby~~ |
| 04:44:36 | webguest68 | BANsa |
| 04:44:40 | Jungti1234 | :P |
| 04:44:46 | webguest38 | i might be doing this improperly |
| 04:44:47 | webguest68 | FUCK SUCK SATANG |
| 04:44:52 | | Quit roostishaw (Remote closed the connection) |
| 04:45:00 | webguest68 | TX !! |
| 04:45:03 | webguest68 | TNX !! |
| 04:45:05 | webguest68 | ^^; |
| 04:45:11 | | Quit Shonky () |
| 04:45:19 | webguest68 | THN ^^' |
| 04:45:23 | webguest68 | GKWLAK |
| 04:45:28 | webguest68 | TBM |
| 04:45:35 | webguest38 | i download the patch and then type "patch < patchname.txt" into the cli |
| 04:45:47 | webguest38 | patchname.patch* |
| 04:45:59 | lostlogic | webguest38: try patch -p0 < patchfile from your rockbox source directory. |
| 04:46:15 | lostlogic | VoltageX: you gonna paste me that code to help with? |
| 04:46:43 | VoltageX | lostlogic: yes, just reproducing the error |
| 04:47:00 | lostlogic | VoltageX: gotcha. |
| 04:47:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: What exact error message do you get? |
| 04:48:17 | VoltageX | gah, quick linux cli help... how do I redirect stderr to a file? |
| 04:48:31 | lostlogic | VoltageX: command 2> file |
| 04:49:40 | VoltageX | thanks |
| 04:49:51 | webguest38 | the patch command keeps asking me for the file to patch |
| 04:50:01 | VoltageX | line numbers in paste will be off... http://pastebin.com/660826 |
| 04:50:10 | lostlogic | webguest38: did you try the command I said? |
| 04:50:16 | webguest38 | yes |
| 04:50:29 | lostlogic | webguest38: also, did you checkout or unpack a full rockbox source dir and are you in that dir? |
| 04:50:35 | webguest38 | yes |
| 04:50:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: What folder are you running patch from? Is it the root folder of your source (the one that contains apps, firmware, and all the other folders)? |
| 04:51:18 | webguest38 | i do not see folders like that |
| 04:51:21 | lostlogic | VoltageX: there aren't any include lines in your file? I believe that to be the issue |
| 04:51:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: Well, you're in the wrong folder. What folder are you in? |
| 04:51:44 | webguest38 | im in .rockbox |
| 04:52:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: That's a folder from a BUILD of rockbox, not the source. |
| 04:52:14 | webguest38 | oh |
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| 04:52:25 | VoltageX | lostlogic: so include <plugin.h>? |
| 04:52:29 | webguest38 | so how do i get to the source? |
| 04:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: Have you read the pages relating to how to compile? |
| 04:52:45 | lostlogic | VoltageX: yeah, I think that's all you need #include <plugin.h> above the plugin header |
| 04:52:59 | webguest38 | no |
| 04:53:04 | webguest38 | where are they? |
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| 04:53:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 04:54:04 | airwolf4ever | is rockbox the only thing working on a G5 Video ipod? |
| 04:54:17 | lostlogic | airwolf4ever: what do you mean? |
| 04:54:29 | airwolf4ever | Like I got my Ipod last week |
| 04:54:30 | airwolf4ever | it' |
| 04:54:40 | airwolf4ever | it's a 30g ipod video |
| 04:54:44 | airwolf4ever | 5g |
| 04:54:56 | airwolf4ever | and I can't delete any songs off it |
| 04:55:00 | airwolf4ever | except with Itunes |
| 04:55:08 | lostlogic | yes, that's now ipods work by default |
| 04:55:17 | airwolf4ever | Thats is so annoying |
| 04:55:27 | airwolf4ever | Like when I'm done with a podcast |
| 04:55:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Rockbox allows you to simply treat it as an external Hard Disk |
| 04:55:31 | airwolf4ever | I want to get rid of it |
| 04:55:32 | lostlogic | then you might want to try the latest CVS build of rockbox instead :) |
| 04:55:51 | lostlogic | airwolf4ever: unfortunately many podcasts contain DRM which rockbox does not supportt |
| 04:56:06 | airwolf4ever | ahh ok |
| 04:56:20 | airwolf4ever | I was also doing some reasearch on Ipodlinux |
| 04:56:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Ipodlinux serves a drastically different purpose |
| 04:56:37 | airwolf4ever | do you know if they support this new ipod? |
| 04:56:41 | lostlogic | ipodlinux has much less music playing support than rockbox |
| 04:56:43 | airwolf4ever | Ohhh |
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| 04:56:46 | airwolf4ever | ok |
| 04:56:59 | lostlogic | and I don't think their 5g support is as good as ours, but don't quote me on that |
| 04:57:11 | airwolf4ever | thats cool |
| 04:57:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | If your podcasts are MP3, you should be able to use them with Rockbox |
| 04:57:32 | Jungti1234 | lostlogic |
| 04:57:36 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: yes |
| 04:57:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | If they're AAC, the likelihood of them working properly drops drastically |
| 04:57:41 | airwolf4ever | I think they are |
| 04:57:43 | Jungti1234 | commit it |
| 04:57:47 | Jungti1234 | only patch |
| 04:57:50 | airwolf4ever | does rockbox also do video? |
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| 04:58:09 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 04:58:09 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: where? |
| 04:58:12 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 04:58:17 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 04:58:19 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: if you emailed it to me I didn't receive it. |
| 04:58:27 | webguest38 | thanks for the help guys |
| 04:58:28 | Jungti1234 | I didn't make it |
| 04:58:41 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: I'm confused |
| 04:58:43 | airwolf4ever | so no video playback on the video ipod |
| 04:58:50 | Jungti1234 | commit only your patch |
| 04:58:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | airwolf4ever: Rockbox is primarily designed for Audio players, so no. It doesn't do video. And it probably won't support it soon, unless someone from outside comes up with a way, because there's too much work that can still be done to improve audio related features. |
| 04:59:02 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: I did |
| 04:59:07 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 04:59:08 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 04:59:10 | lostlogic | later |
| 04:59:12 | airwolf4ever | ok |
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| 04:59:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | airwolf4ever: But, Rockbox exists along side the original firmware, so you can reboot into it at any time to watch your videos, or listen to DRM wrapped podcasts |
| 04:59:24 | airwolf4ever | cool thank you for all the info |
| 04:59:34 | airwolf4ever | I still think the delete feature is worth it |
| 04:59:45 | airwolf4ever | Oh cool! |
| 04:59:53 | airwolf4ever | and then I can boot intorockbox |
| 04:59:59 | airwolf4ever | and delete stuf I dont want |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:11 | airwolf4ever | Thats exactly what I want |
| 05:00:49 | airwolf4ever | Thanks Paul!! for all the info |
| 05:00:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you can't really delete things that show up in the Retail OS very well from rockbox |
| 05:01:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does this crazy thing where it obfuscates the files by renaming them, and it has its own database which the files must be removed from, and so on. |
| 05:01:30 | | Quit stamppot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 05:01:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if they're MP3 podcasts, you can just copy them over normally (like an external hard disk) then listen to them in Rockbox, and delete them in Rockbox no problem |
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| 05:03:13 | piroko | has anyone noticed a bug in at least the 4g ipod, maybe others, where the lcd doesn't fully turn off on shutdown, leaving a line behind? |
| 05:03:23 | lostlogic | piroko: yeah, known |
| 05:03:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's fully turned off, it's just not cleared first. |
| 05:03:30 | lostlogic | piroko: we don't have an LCD controller shutdown sequence |
| 05:03:37 | piroko | ok just checking. thanks |
| 05:04:08 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: am I forgetting any outstanding bugs in playback currently? I know about seeking into, or within the last pcmbufsecs of the track, anything else I'm forgetting? |
| 05:04:25 | piroko | crossfade doesn't always work. it seems kinda random |
| 05:04:36 | piroko | but i guess that's an extra feature |
| 05:04:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Not that I know of. It's a little hard to tell because half the time they're reporting a bug you fixed 2 or 3 hours before. =/ |
| 05:05:01 | piroko | testing out the newest version now... |
| 05:05:04 | lostlogic | piroko: depends on pcm buffer level, watch the audio thread debug screen and see if it works when the pcm buffer is high and not when it's low |
| 05:05:43 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ahaha, whoops :-P Well as always let me know via /msg or wiki, I sleep now. |
| 05:05:55 | lostlogic | piroko: if that's not the case then I might have broken crossfade on codec changes or something of that stupid sort. |
| 05:06:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I'll let you know if anything particularly drastic shows up. :) |
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| 05:06:15 | piroko | lostlogic: well, it works more often if I increase the disk buffer... |
| 05:06:43 | lostlogic | piroko: increase the antiskip buffer? weird. |
| 05:06:55 | piroko | yeah. it won't crossfade at all if it's at 5 seconds |
| 05:07:02 | piroko | i have it at 5 minutes |
| 05:07:07 | piroko | is there any harm in that? |
| 05:07:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the antiskip buffer should only affect the Compressed Buffer, right? |
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| 05:07:17 | lostlogic | piroko: means the disk will spin up to rebuffer more often, but for less teim |
| 05:07:25 | webguest38 | now im having trouble compiling |
| 05:07:39 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: probably less likely to be buffer filling during track transition with a higher watermark |
| 05:07:44 | piroko | i don't understand why you'd want to keep the disk buffer low... |
| 05:08:00 | lostlogic | piroko: you want to fill it as rarely as possible to reduce battery usage |
| 05:08:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: It's not exactly what you think |
| 05:08:06 | webguest38 | when i compile the source after patches i get this error: WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path! |
| 05:08:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: What you're actually setting is "How much compressed audio do I have to go below, before the buffer refills" |
| 05:08:25 | lostlogic | g'night rockboxers and slashdotters. |
| 05:08:31 | webguest38 | then if i try to make anyway i get this make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: Command not found |
| 05:08:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: So, at 5 minutes, you can have the disk fail to read for 5 minutes before you get a skip. |
| 05:09:09 | lostlogic | webguest38: then you didnt' install a CrossCompiler as the instructions say to do. |
| 05:09:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest38: Then you don't have arm-elf-gcc in your path. It's a pretty clear error message. Are you on linux? |
| 05:09:32 | ashridah | webguest38: what're you using for your development environment? |
| 05:09:36 | webguest38 | no, im running the BSD subsystem on OSX |
| 05:09:40 | piroko | g'night lostlogic |
| 05:09:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: In the end, this means that the lower you set the value, the longer it plays between disk reads, but the more likely you'll get a skip if a disk read fails. |
| 05:09:55 | piroko | webguest: I CAN HELP! |
| 05:10:04 | piroko | webguest: do you have darwin ports installed? |
| 05:10:15 | webguest38 | no, i have fink |
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| 05:11:07 | webguest38 | so i need to get the cross compiler and it should work? |
| 05:11:33 | piroko | i personally have both, as they both have packages that the others don't. for instance, afaik fink doesn't have arm-elf-gcc. but darwin ports does |
| 05:11:44 | webguest38 | hmm |
| 05:11:46 | webguest38 | ok |
| 05:11:51 | webguest38 | i'll try it out |
| 05:11:51 | piroko | it's safe to run them both together |
| 05:11:52 | webguest38 | thanks |
| 05:12:12 | piroko | darwin ports uses /opt/local, fink uses /sw. no problem. once you get darwin ports running (not hard at all) a sudo fink install arm-elf-gcc |
| 05:12:15 | piroko | should suffice |
| 05:12:40 | piroko | takes a while to compile though, so be prepared to wait for a bit. it works fine though. |
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| 05:13:41 | piroko | Paul_The_Nerd: what do you recommend I set the anti skip buffer to for optimal battery usage/skip prevention? |
| 05:14:22 | piroko | damn. the pcm buffer fills really fast now... |
| 05:14:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: The lower you can set the anti-skip-buffer the better for the battery. So, basically, set it at the lowest, if you have skipping problems raise it a little, so on and so forth |
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| 05:16:45 | piroko | ah I get it now! if the buffer gets below 5 seconds, it will rebuffer, right? if I set it to five minutes, it will get below five minutes more often, and rebuffer more often, right? this doesn't effect _how much_ gets buffered. |
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| 05:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:17:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox always uses as much as it can to buffer |
| 05:17:11 | piroko | awesome. thanks for clarifying that for me :) |
| 05:17:14 | dr3wster | Hey everyone, I just have a quck question: Can I still easily view txt files while using tagcache? |
| 05:17:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | dr3wster: Yes, by switching back to filetree mode and b rowsing to it. |
| 05:17:31 | piroko | hold menu to switch to supported view |
| 05:18:01 | dr3wster | Paul_The_Nerd, and you do that by holding menu like piroko said? |
| 05:18:19 | dr3wster | all right, thanks:) |
| 05:18:21 | | Quit dr3wster (Client Quit) |
| 05:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Holding Menu gives you the Quick Menu, then tapping Play/Pause cycles through various file views |
| 05:18:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well |
| 05:18:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Me and my accursed need to give full and complete answers |
| 05:19:27 | ashridah | heh. i always get a kick out of the clock applet in kde. set it to fuzzy mode, crank up the fuzziness, and all it says is "Weekend!" |
| 05:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
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| 05:22:09 | piroko | holy crap since when is tag cache working again? i've never had any luck with it and all of a sudden it seems semi-perfect |
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| 05:22:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:22:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been working well again for a while |
| 05:22:46 | ashridah | piroko: tagcache? the initial version wasn't perfect, but it got sorted pretty quickly |
| 05:22:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | We like to sneak in the best fixes when people aren't looking. |
| 05:23:02 | piroko | it left me with a blank artist list before |
| 05:23:18 | ashridah | curious |
| 05:23:50 | piroko | sometimes I hate os x. it leaves all those retarded forks lying around like the .DS_STORE and ._<name of a file that already exists> ALL OVER THE PLACE and rockbox tries to play them and crashes... ARGH |
| 05:23:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | The first time I used it, when it first arrived, my first run ignored all my flacs, but a rerun after deleting the cache files, worked fine. |
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| 05:24:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: There used to be a plugin that would scan your disk for those files and clear them. |
| 05:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it never got maintained or really tested |
| 05:24:24 | piroko | what happened to it!? |
| 05:24:28 | piroko | :( |
| 05:24:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was just a patch |
| 05:24:39 | ssstormy | are there any development, partially functional builds for the 3G ipod? |
| 05:24:42 | piroko | there's gotta be some way to prevent it from happening in os x. |
| 05:24:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Yes, but no audio yet. |
| 05:25:01 | ssstormy | Paul_The_Nerd: where would I find them? |
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| 05:25:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Check out the source from CVS, and compile it. |
| 05:25:36 | ssstormy | Paul_The_Nerd: ok thanks. any special steps? |
| 05:25:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope. When you get to the ../tools/configure choice, 3G is already in the list |
| 05:28:36 | | Quit NPswimdude500 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 05:28:37 | piroko | is there a way to remove deleted files from the tagcache or does it need to be deleted and re-run? |
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| 05:29:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Unfortunately that's not a feature tagcache has yet. It will eventually, but it doesn't have it yet. =/ |
| 05:30:36 | ashridah | we probably need to start looking into building external tagcache builders as well, mostly for the people who don't want to flatten their battery just building the cache :) |
| 05:31:25 | piroko | ok that's fine. it's just that it found all my ._files and it's really annoying so I went and deleted them all and now I need to update. maybe a patch could be put in to the tagcache builder that would prevent it from caching "._" files? it would be easy... |
| 05:31:47 | VoltageX | my .c file got compiled to a .o but not a .rock... |
| 05:31:59 | angelashes | i find after i fully charge my ipod and reboot to rockbox it says i have 94% battery life left |
| 05:32:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | ._ files shouldn't be cached anyway, should they? I thought it only cached files with metadata. |
| 05:32:05 | ssstormy | anyone have any apps for linux to suggest for recording? |
| 05:32:18 | VoltageX | ssstormy: audacity.sf.net |
| 05:32:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | angelashes: Yeah, the battery % number may be a little off. |
| 05:32:26 | piroko | angelashes: mine too |
| 05:32:41 | ssstormy | VoltageX: any others? for some absurd reason audacity stopped working 4 me |
| 05:32:49 | piroko | ssstormy: i agree with VoltageX. audacity is the ultimate |
| 05:32:50 | piroko | oh |
| 05:33:06 | VoltageX | oh |
| 05:33:10 | VoltageX | hmm not really |
| 05:33:19 | VoltageX | there'd be a cli app somewhere to record to .wav |
| 05:33:21 | * | ashridah suggests piroko should rephrase that as "pen-ultimate" |
| 05:33:37 | VoltageX | Now talking in #audacity |
| 05:33:37 | VoltageX | * Topic is 'Welcome to #audacity |
| 05:33:41 | VoltageX | on this server |
| 05:33:50 | VoltageX | you should ask them about your problem |
| 05:33:51 | piroko | Paul_The_Nerd: It caches them under untagged |
| 05:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Aaaah. |
| 05:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: I guess I never saw "Untagged" because all my files are tagged. Heheheh. |
| 05:34:26 | piroko | yep |
| 05:34:26 | piroko | :) |
| 05:34:46 | piroko | it's still annoying... sorry I'm a very picky person. I could probably do the patch myself |
| 05:35:09 | VoltageX | why doesn't my .c file get to .rock? |
| 05:35:15 | VoltageX | only to .o |
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| 05:35:38 | piroko | just do an if not "._*" type statement for every file it tries to cache. that wouldn't slow it down too much, would it? |
| 05:36:05 | ashridah | piroko: text comparison is a little more difficult than that |
| 05:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Well, depends on your definition of "too much" ;-) |
| 05:36:56 | ashridah | VoltageX: so far as i know, adding it to SOURCES in apps/plugins/ should be all that's necessary |
| 05:37:13 | piroko | is there any caveat to running tagcache from disk/loading to ram? |
| 05:37:28 | ashridah | provided you've got the appropriate headers and macros like "PLUGIN_HEADER" in use |
| 05:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Running it from disk means your disk will have to spin up to browse, but you have slightly more audio buffer (better battery life if you rarely browse) |
| 05:38:00 | VoltageX | Now talking in #audacity |
| 05:38:00 | VoltageX | * Topic is 'Welcome to #audacity |
| 05:38:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Running it from RAM will mean the disk doesn't need to spin up to browse, but you have slightly less audio buffer (better if you browse alot) |
| 05:38:03 | VoltageX | oohs !! |
| 05:38:06 | VoltageX | oops sorry |
| 05:38:12 | VoltageX | clipboard not working |
| 05:38:31 | VoltageX | it's in SOURCES ashridah |
| 05:39:30 | piroko | crap. i suppose i wasn't supposed to delete the tagnavi.config file? only the caches? |
| 05:39:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yea |
| 05:39:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | tagnavi.config is important |
| 05:39:41 | piroko | oops |
| 05:39:47 | piroko | reloading... |
| 05:39:47 | ashridah | VoltageX: then it should just happen, there's no way for the makefile to magically ignore one, so far asi can tell. you've tried make clean and a full rebuild? |
| 05:39:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's what makes tagcache customizable |
| 05:42:06 | VoltageX | ashridah: rebuilding while I go have lunch. |
| 05:42:19 | Kyomi | tagcache actually works? |
| 05:42:44 | Kyomi | I checked on it in debug menu... And said something like "percent completed: -1%" |
| 05:42:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It's "actually worked" for a while. It's just not always worked how people wanted it to. |
| 05:42:52 | ashridah | Kyomi: it's worked pretty well for me, although i don't use it, since i have far too many crazily tagged compilations |
| 05:43:02 | Kyomi | Oh |
| 05:43:04 | ssstormy | build-dir/apps/rockbox.bin is the program itself right? |
| 05:43:09 | Kyomi | Whats car adapter mode? |
| 05:43:12 | ashridah | Kyomi: that menu's been broken the entire time :) |
| 05:43:16 | Kyomi | When you're using an FM transmitter? |
| 05:43:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: After running "make" run "make zip" to get the same rockbox.zip you'd download from the site, and just use that. |
| 05:43:48 | Kyomi | And why does windows and rockbox say I have 52MB and windows says I have 260somethingMB free? |
| 05:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: The % works now |
| 05:43:58 | Kyomi | errr.. second windows = original firmware |
| 05:44:17 | ashridah | Kyomi: because the original firmware sucks balls at keeping the freespace flags in fat in check |
| 05:44:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Car adapter mode is used to control power on/off when plugged/unplugged (so it shuts off when you turn off your car) but doesn't really work for ipods at the moment |
| 05:44:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Or H300 |
| 05:45:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Do you need to empty the recycle bin on it maybe? |
| 05:45:37 | piroko | Paul_The_Nerd: what did you do to fix the %? there aren't any changes in the cvs, unless it takes a little time to update |
| 05:46:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Well, last time I ran a forced tagcache update from scratch, then watched the % in the debug menu, it showed accurately as the tagcache was built |
| 05:46:52 | piroko | ... nevermind. sorry I was thinking ipod battery %. off topic... |
| 05:46:55 | Kyomi | I still think it's funny mine is -1% complete |
| 05:47:43 | Kyomi | Beware the massive geek that is me and watch me copy over Monty Python and the Holy Grail script to read on my H320 XD |
| 05:48:37 | Kyomi | I also got tired of removing all the themes/wps/rocks I never used/hated |
| 05:48:45 | Kyomi | So I made a batch file to do it for me XD |
| 05:49:44 | ssstormy | hmm I built rockbox, and I'm using the ipodloader2, and when I try to boot rockbox... the progress bar fills, then a message appears behind it and the ipod reboots |
| 05:50:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: You have rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder extracted in the root of the fat32 partition? |
| 05:50:27 | ssstormy | yeah |
| 05:50:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Also, I'm not sure how well loader2 and 3G rockbox get along. You're probably the first to try it. |
| 05:51:19 | ssstormy | why me |
| 05:51:20 | piroko | :O there are 775 KNOWN ISSUES? holy crap |
| 05:51:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Where did you get that number? |
| 05:51:47 | piroko | flyspray |
| 05:51:53 | piroko | Showing tasks 41 - 60 of 775 |
| 05:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Because it doesn't play audio yet, and most people who are actually developing it use our bootloader (when they were around, which is no longer) |
| 05:52:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Bugs, or is that including Feature Requests and Patches? Also, some of those are 2+ years old, and haven't been closed |
| 05:53:11 | piroko | ah. that makes sense though. I was looking at everything. and the crossfade not working at 5second buffer was incorrect on my part. I had to perform a restart to get crossfade working properly. |
| 05:53:32 | piroko | but it still is working randomly... |
| 05:53:33 | piroko | :( |
| 05:54:17 | ssstormy | Paul_The_Nerd: you mean no one is develing 3G ipod anymore!? |
| 05:55:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Nobody here owns one, so it can't be developed directly. |
| 05:55:18 | ssstormy | oh the arghness |
| 05:55:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Basically we need someone with moderate or better programming experience who owns a 3G who will either sit around and test things, or work on it himself. |
| 05:55:51 | ssstormy | well I can test everything you throw at me |
| 05:55:57 | ssstormy | but I don't know a thing about programming |
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| 05:56:53 | piroko | read a programming book ;) sorry, had to state the obvious |
| 05:57:39 | ssstormy | piroko: yeah I know I should. I would, but I've recently picked up some other hobbies before I could start programming. Like a girl. :P |
| 05:57:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | ssstormy: Well, I can't say exactly what's needed anyway. When Linuxstb starts being around, ask him if you can help with 3G in any way. |
| 05:58:01 | ssstormy | ok |
| 05:58:26 | ssstormy | linuxstb: hello, I'm just shouting at you. I'd like to help with the 3G tessting if I can, I have one myself. |
| 05:59:38 | piroko | ssstormy: ah yes. girls can do that whole distraction thing :) |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:10 | ssstormy | piroko: yeah. I even had a book, learn C in 24 hours, next to my bed. Had to return it to the library though, after it had been overdue a few weeks |
| 06:00:41 | piroko | when using tagcache, every once in a while i'll choose a file to play, and it'll go to the wps screen for like one second and then kick me back to the browser screen without starting playback. is this also known? |
| 06:00:58 | ssstormy | well thanks guys, I'll check back in a while |
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| 06:02:20 | Kyomi | Anyone know if the midi function is even close to working? |
| 06:02:32 | Kyomi | I could start exporting my music to midi :) |
| 06:02:49 | Kyomi | Although mp3/ogg works.. I want to be difficult XD |
| 06:03:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: "Close" yes. But "Moving closer" no. |
| 06:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: I don't think it is known, but I'm not sure. |
| 06:03:13 | Kyomi | So it hasn't moved since the doom update? |
| 06:03:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup. And it didn't move for ages before tht |
| 06:03:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | that |
| 06:03:47 | VoltageX | ooh there's a video plugin? it doesn't build though |
| 06:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: The Video Plugin is really not something you'd want to use... |
| 06:04:28 | ashridah | VoltageX: the video plugin is for a much older archos version |
| 06:04:32 | * | VoltageX adds to wishlist |
| 06:05:07 | Kyomi | Someone make the midi function move ;_; |
| 06:05:23 | Kyomi | Or else I'm wasting like 30MB |
| 06:05:26 | piroko | that lcd bug on the ipod is kinda dangerous. if you don't notice it when the ipod shuts off, it could damage it potentially, couldn't it? |
| 06:05:29 | Kyomi | I need a bigger HD |
| 06:06:02 | piroko | when I turn it back on after leaving the line there for a minute or so, it stays on the screen for a good 30 seconds before disappearing |
| 06:06:04 | Kyomi | I only have seasons 1-3.5 of ReBoot on my player... theres still 1.5 seasons left :P |
| 06:06:15 | piroko | Kyomi: I have 1-4 :D |
| 06:06:23 | piroko | I LOVE REBOOT! |
| 06:06:46 | piroko | Kyomi: where did you get yours from? bittorrent? |
| 06:06:50 | ashridah | oh, god no, don't encourage each other |
| 06:07:06 | piroko | ashridah: be quiet. ReBoot is the shit. ;) |
| 06:07:17 | Kyomi | piroko: I have all the seasons :) |
| 06:07:26 | Kyomi | Already encoded to .h300.avi |
| 06:07:29 | piroko | ah. just 1-3.5 on the player. gotcha |
| 06:07:30 | Kyomi | I just need more space |
| 06:07:34 | VoltageX | I looked at a synopsis of an episode of reboot, WTF is it? |
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| 06:07:41 | Kyomi | Awesome |
| 06:07:42 | Kyomi | :D |
| 06:07:48 | piroko | yeah |
| 06:07:48 | VoltageX | but what is it about? |
| 06:07:53 | Kyomi | Especially the Megabyte concert one :D |
| 06:07:59 | piroko | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot |
| 06:08:01 | VoltageX | sounds like a geek's LSD drug trip |
| 06:08:03 | Kyomi | I recorded that and put it on myspace :D |
| 06:08:05 | piroko | My favorite episode! |
| 06:08:07 | ashridah | VoltageX: cartoon about the personification of the insides of computers |
| 06:08:12 | piroko | I have the song on itunes |
| 06:08:21 | Kyomi | piroko: My fav ep is Game Over :) |
| 06:08:24 | VoltageX | might have to have a look |
| 06:08:25 | Kyomi | I sooooo want that fighting game |
| 06:08:31 | Kyomi | The music is awesome |
| 06:08:33 | piroko | that episode gave me chills. the one with megabyte vs. bob in the guitar solos |
| 06:08:40 | Kyomi | Satan looks cool :D |
| 06:08:42 | VoltageX | but I can't download anything because I'm speed limited to 10kb/s |
| 06:08:48 | Kyomi | Andraia is hot :) |
| 06:09:00 | Kyomi | I wonder if she's bi ^^; |
| 06:09:21 | piroko | lol. so is hexadecimal :P |
| 06:09:33 | VoltageX | wow, watch out lara http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/ReBoot_AndrAIa_1.jpg/100px-ReBoot_AndrAIa_1.jpg |
| 06:09:36 | Kyomi | http://www.myspace.com/megami7502 -> click videos underneath my kitty pic |
| 06:09:40 | Kyomi | :D |
| 06:10:04 | piroko | dammit Kyomi. Now I'm gonna go watch a few episodes... And I was just about to sleep too... |
| 06:10:10 | Kyomi | Nuuu |
| 06:10:24 | Kyomi | Watch my like 2 mins of video :D |
| 06:10:40 | Kyomi | Hehe |
| 06:10:52 | Kyomi | A pic like that is my avatar on the 3dRealms forums :P |
| 06:10:56 | VoltageX | 10kb/s is painful |
| 06:12:15 | piroko | Megabyte: "I've always wanted to do that..." He's such a badass! :D |
| 06:13:11 | Kyomi | I've been thinking of making a c64 remix with parts of that in it |
| 06:13:27 | Kyomi | But I think it'd be awesome to use in my remix of the duke nukem 3d theme :D |
| 06:13:32 | Kyomi | As somewhat of an intro |
| 06:13:34 | * | VoltageX needs reboot torrent |
| 06:13:52 | Kyomi | VoltageX: you know.. there are like millions of torrentsites :P |
| 06:14:02 | piroko | Kyomi: what do you use to do your audio creation? |
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| 06:14:08 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 06:14:08 | Kyomi | One that has something to do with a very small nova |
| 06:14:17 | VoltageX | doh! the 4gb one with 4 series of it is dead |
| 06:14:20 | Kyomi | And another one that spys on the torrents |
| 06:14:27 | VoltageX | yes I know all them :D |
| 06:14:34 | Kyomi | One with pirates... |
| 06:14:38 | piroko | and bays... |
| 06:14:39 | Kyomi | Oh |
| 06:14:44 | Kyomi | piroko: Reason 3.0 :D |
| 06:14:47 | VoltageX | and retractable batons |
| 06:14:50 | piroko | on mac? |
| 06:14:56 | Kyomi | Bah... fark mac :P |
| 06:15:00 | piroko | :O |
| 06:15:21 | | Part infamis |
| 06:15:24 | piroko | please tell me you're a linux user |
| 06:15:50 | Kyomi | Nope |
| 06:15:59 | Kyomi | I don't advocate windows |
| 06:16:09 | | Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) |
| 06:16:11 | Kyomi | But I'd rather use something that makes somewhat of sense |
| 06:16:18 | VoltageX | how hard is it to write a codec? I want to port fmod |
| 06:16:19 | piroko | To each his own |
| 06:16:22 | Kyomi | And doesn't require me to compile six million things |
| 06:16:45 | Kyomi | And I mean heck... 98% of things are made for windows first.. if not only for |
| 06:16:51 | VoltageX | Kyomi: you must be thinking of gentoo. Debian: apt-get install anything |
| 06:17:00 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 06:17:05 | piroko | right, go with the flow, conform, be one with the crowd :P |
| 06:17:06 | Kyomi | I also hate the names they give linux |
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| 06:17:27 | * | VoltageX chants: fmod. fmod. fmod. fmod |
| 06:17:29 | Kyomi | piroko: I'm not about to strain my brain just to play half-life 2 :P |
| 06:17:35 | | Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 06:17:39 | Kyomi | I like being able to get to it in like... 2 clicks |
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| 06:17:50 | piroko | Kyomi: I guess I'm fortunate to only play one game. nethack |
| 06:17:51 | Kyomi | minus all of the steam crap |
| 06:17:55 | bancus | and then wait for ten minutes while the level loads :P |
| 06:17:55 | piroko | I understand |
| 06:17:59 | Kyomi | one game? |
| 06:18:02 | Kyomi | You poor soul |
| 06:18:02 | piroko | nethack |
| 06:18:09 | piroko | it's all my soul needs :D |
| 06:18:11 | Kyomi | I played that a bit |
| 06:18:14 | Kyomi | Got bored with it |
| 06:18:19 | ashridah | VoltageX: the hard part about porting a codec comes in a few ways. a) license (must be GPL compatible), b) floating-point usage (can't use floating point math) and c) optimisation (getting it to run quickly once it runs at all) |
| 06:18:21 | Kyomi | I'd rather play a MUD :P |
| 06:18:22 | bancus | has anyone considered a port of nethack to rockbox? |
| 06:18:31 | piroko | Kyomi: oh yeah, I've done that too. aardwolf |
| 06:18:32 | Kyomi | nethack pissed me off |
| 06:18:42 | VoltageX | ashridah: a) is ok |
| 06:18:43 | piroko | bancus: i almost suggested that idea earlier today |
| 06:18:46 | Kyomi | Thers supposedly a board you can get that makes you un-detectable |
| 06:18:47 | Kyomi | Didn't work |
| 06:18:56 | Kyomi | Then when you have to change around files |
| 06:18:57 | VoltageX | ashridah: the rest, I'm screwed coz I'm a C noob |
| 06:19:01 | Kyomi | I did EXACTLY what it said to do |
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| 06:19:05 | dj-fu | omg. |
| 06:19:08 | dj-fu | hi guys :) |
| 06:19:11 | Kyomi | And it was like.. "You didn't complete the job" |
| 06:19:12 | bancus | so no python interpreter for rockbox, eh? :D |
| 06:19:21 | piroko | Kyomi: what are you talking about? |
| 06:19:26 | VoltageX | bancus: that would rule |
| 06:19:28 | Kyomi | nethack :P |
| 06:19:38 | piroko | a board that makes you un-detectable? |
| 06:19:39 | VoltageX | bancus: but be pointless |
| 06:19:40 | dj-fu | just like to say.. Rockbox pwns so hard. has fixed all my issues with ipod+linux :) |
| 06:19:54 | ashridah | well, given that rockbox doesn't really have a virtual memory implementation, an interpreted language might be a bit hard to implement |
| 06:19:58 | bancus | VoltageX: I dunno if it'd be pointless |
| 06:20:06 | bancus | C is a bitch to code in. |
| 06:20:15 | dj-fu | quick question, how do I install a "WPS" theme. |
| 06:20:17 | bancus | Of course, I used to code ASM, but then, python has made me soft. |
| 06:20:31 | dj-fu | mono on rockbox! ha ;D |
| 06:20:31 | Kyomi | piroko |
| 06:20:31 | bancus | dj-fu: copy it to .rockbox/wps, I think |
| 06:20:35 | * | piroko codes in machine code |
| 06:20:36 | dj-fu | bancus, thanks, thought as much. |
| 06:20:46 | piroko | Kyomi |
| 06:20:46 | VoltageX | bancus: are you any good at C? |
| 06:20:46 | bancus | it depends on the theme |
| 06:20:49 | dj-fu | I love drag'n'drop DAP |
| 06:20:49 | bancus | VoltageX: I used to be |
| 06:20:51 | Kyomi | Yeah... you can upgrade your internet/motherboard/ram/etc |
| 06:21:02 | VoltageX | piroko: punch cards ftw! |
| 06:21:10 | bancus | I haven't coded C since rhythmbox 0.6something |
| 06:21:27 | VoltageX | bancus: I need to find someone to port fmod to rockbox |
| 06:21:29 | VoltageX | lol |
| 06:21:37 | bancus | With my fulltime job and all, I don't have much coding time |
| 06:21:49 | bancus | and prefer not to spend it banging my head up against the wall with inferior languages |
| 06:22:19 | Kyomi | No pascal for you :P |
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| 06:22:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | bancus: Did you just call C an inferior language? I hope you're not trying to pass opinion off as the actual case. |
| 06:23:14 | ashridah | VoltageX: i assume fmod is a tracker codec? or am i way off? |
| 06:23:18 | bancus | Paul_The_Nerd: It's my opinion, sure. |
| 06:23:25 | VoltageX | ashridah: one of the best tracker codecs |
| 06:23:28 | bancus | I admit C has its uses, but *shrug*. |
| 06:23:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | bancus: So what would you code a firmware for an embedded device in? |
| 06:23:47 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: asm |
| 06:23:48 | ashridah | VoltageX: what language is it written in? the only fmod i know is a commercial audio library |
| 06:23:50 | bancus | I'm not saying rockbox shouldn't be in C. |
| 06:23:59 | Kyomi | It should be in asm XD |
| 06:24:04 | Kyomi | Ooo! |
| 06:24:06 | VoltageX | o.O I'm sure there was a GNU tracker codec |
| 06:24:06 | bancus | I'm just stating my preference for my personal hobby time. |
| 06:24:07 | Kyomi | Make it in java :D |
| 06:24:20 | Kyomi | Then I might be able to do something |
| 06:24:21 | bancus | mikmod? |
| 06:24:29 | ashridah | VoltageX: besides, i thought someone was working on using DUMB or something |
| 06:24:30 | bancus | Kyomi: ew :x |
| 06:24:36 | VoltageX | DOH fmod isn't gpl |
| 06:24:46 | bancus | what is it? |
| 06:24:50 | VoltageX | ashridah: they would be my hero if they are |
| 06:24:52 | ashridah | bancus: mikmod's pretty much out of the question, it's pretty inferior in comparison to other mod players |
| 06:24:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | bancus: Then that hardly makes C an "inferior" language, if it's the tool suitable for the task. |
| 06:25:10 | bancus | Paul_The_Nerd: and my task is enjoying myself on the weekend |
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| 06:25:20 | bancus | Which C is hardly suitable for. |
| 06:25:49 | ashridah | VoltageX: i'd hit up the rockbox forums and look around for references to DUMB and whatnot. |
| 06:26:00 | ashridah | bancus: so, rockbox should change to give you a hobby? |
| 06:26:04 | bancus | ... |
| 06:26:07 | bancus | Scroll up. |
| 06:26:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | bancus: Ah, but the subject here is working on Rockbox, and at no point before did you mention the words "enjoying" or "weekend" so one can only assume its effectiveness was being judged for the aforementioned task of coding Rockbox. |
| 06:26:12 | ashridah | heh |
| 06:26:14 | bancus | Did I *ever* say that rockbox shouldn't be in C? |
| 06:26:20 | ashridah | sorry, i'm being deliberately obtuse :) |
| 06:26:23 | bancus | :P |
| 06:26:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd grins |
| 06:26:47 | bancus | 21:21 < bancus> With my fulltime job and all, I don't have much coding time |
| 06:26:47 | bancus | 21:21 < bancus> and prefer not to spend it banging my head up against the wall |
| 06:26:47 | bancus | with inferior languages |
| 06:26:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no stick with which to beat the denizens of the forum, so I must enjoy myself here to survive. |
| 06:26:59 | bancus | The idea there was relating that it's a hobby. |
| 06:27:09 | bancus | Someone asked if I knew C, I was merely talking about it. |
| 06:27:27 | * | Paul_The_Nerd needs badly a 'forum denizen beating stick' of some sort. |
| 06:27:31 | bancus | Heh. |
| 06:27:43 | ashridah | but yeah. C's painfulness comes from how it's used more than anything. |
| 06:27:47 | dj-fu | right, is there a way to like, add all the music to a playlist with this? I'm new, is there a wiki that I can oorgle over somewhere? |
| 06:27:57 | dj-fu | I absolutely love having drag'n'drop.. means I don't ahve to reboot to itune. |
| 06:28:00 | bancus | ashridah: Have you ever see GObj-C? |
| 06:28:02 | bancus | seen |
| 06:28:02 | ashridah | i doubt rockbox's architecture is perfect, but i'm willing to bet it's not deliberately painful |
| 06:28:06 | bancus | It's *hideous*. |
| 06:28:14 | bancus | My god is it ever evil. |
| 06:28:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Please to compare these two "It doesn't work" threads: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3567.0 and http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3569.0 |
| 06:28:21 | piroko | argh. too late... need sleep... goddnight everyone |
| 06:28:26 | bancus | It's the reason I only did one bugfix for Rhythmbox. |
| 06:28:29 | piroko | as in goodnight... |
| 06:28:41 | ashridah | dj-fu: go to the root of your player, hit the menu button, playlist options, create playlist |
| 06:28:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | They both have their problems, (one is a typical "I got an error message but kept going for no apparent reason, without asking for help") but clearly one is much less frustrating than the other |
| 06:28:57 | bancus | Figuring out where the menu button was on an X5 was interesting. |
| 06:29:06 | ashridah | you'll get a .m3u containing all your music called root.m3u in the root of the device. |
| 06:29:28 | VoltageX | ashridah: DUMB is kind of a hard keyword to search for :D |
| 06:29:38 | bancus | VoltageX: libdumb? |
| 06:29:42 | ashridah | heh |
| 06:30:10 | ashridah | but dumb, codec, and mod or tracker probably should narrow it down a bit |
| 06:30:57 | dj-fu | ty ashridah |
| 06:31:03 | ashridah | VoltageX: anyway, i seem to recall the issue with trackers being more in how to deal with inserting them into the playback system, since you can't start decoding one without loading it entirely into memory, if memory serves |
| 06:31:23 | dj-fu | holy crap this owns |
| 06:32:09 | bancus | I get the feeling I'm going to have to make my own wps. |
| 06:32:15 | bancus | None of them quite manage what I want. |
| 06:32:21 | bancus | But, the good news is, I can. |
| 06:32:28 | dj-fu | the ipod nano vision looks quite nice |
| 06:32:39 | dj-fu | something minimalistic with a black background wins |
| 06:32:42 | ashridah | yes, that is a pleasantness, although the wps syntax is a bit arcane :) |
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| 06:39:54 | * | Kyomi uses the Trinity 24-bit wps v1.0 and still can't get some parts of it to display right |
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| 06:41:55 | VoltageX | this is the only real reference to libdumb |
| 06:41:56 | VoltageX | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1030.msg5571#msg5571 |
| 06:41:58 | dj-fu | rockbox makes baby jesus dance |
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| 06:45:00 | VoltageX | it's there: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/dumb/ |
| 06:45:08 | VoltageX | but not in a usable state i don't think |
| 06:45:58 | Kyomi | I want midi function now |
| 06:46:03 | Kyomi | I want to work on my music now >_< |
| 06:46:09 | VoltageX | Kyomi: I want tracker music now |
| 06:46:27 | BHSPitLappy | I want <insert demand> now |
| 06:46:35 | Kyomi | I want money now |
| 06:46:36 | VoltageX | not looking good for me, the libdumb files haven't been touched for 4-12 months |
| 06:46:39 | ashridah | so transcode it |
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| 06:46:41 | dj-fu | omg. Doom |
| 06:46:43 | Kyomi | So I can buy more.... boots ^^ |
| 06:46:56 | Kyomi | dj-fu: You're about a month late with that... I beat you to it ^^; |
| 06:47:05 | dj-fu | yeah |
| 06:47:13 | dj-fu | I've been toying with gtkpod and banshee trying to get something to work |
| 06:47:17 | dj-fu | and then, a light shon upon me |
| 06:47:21 | dj-fu | and I found rockbox |
| 06:47:23 | dj-fu | power to the people |
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| 06:48:37 | kidd3ckz | lol |
| 06:48:40 | kidd3ckz | hi sexy |
| 06:49:04 | BHSPitLappy | dj-fu: iPodLinux be fun, too... (though not as music-oriented) |
| 06:49:22 | dj-fu | that's the only reason I have one of these godforsaken things... music |
| 06:49:28 | dj-fu | imported it cheap from japan, only 200 nzd |
| 06:49:30 | kidd3ckz | 5g for porn. |
| 06:49:43 | dj-fu | hi kid |
| 06:49:43 | kidd3ckz | only reason. 60 gigs of the stuff |
| 06:49:43 | dj-fu | ;] |
| 06:49:57 | dj-fu | porn on 5g, rofl |
| 06:50:07 | Jungti1234 | :P |
| 06:50:10 | kidd3ckz | 60 gigsB |
| 06:50:11 | Kyomi | I need 30 gig |
| 06:50:13 | kidd3ckz | i mean |
| 06:50:21 | Kyomi | So I can fit the complete ReBoot saga on it :) |
| 06:50:21 | kidd3ckz | wow |
| 06:50:56 | kidd3ckz | :) |
| 06:50:58 | BHSPitLappy | let's keep the topics clean in here, please |
| 06:51:03 | BHSPitLappy | kthxbye |
| 06:51:04 | kidd3ckz | ok sorry |
| 06:51:20 | kidd3ckz | i put CARTOONS |
| 06:51:27 | dj-fu | you guys mostly nix users, or windows? |
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| 06:52:33 | BHSPitLappy | mixed I guess |
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| 06:52:58 | BHSPitLappy | I know a lot of nix users in here, but I also hear a lot about cygwin development |
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| 06:53:41 | Jungti1234 | I'm windows user |
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| 06:53:56 | BHSPitLappy | boo! |
| 06:54:00 | * | BHSPitLappy throws a stone at Jungti1234 |
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| 06:54:42 | * | Jungti1234 throws more stone at BHSPitLappy |
| 06:55:08 | * | BHSPitLappy is protected from your stones by THE POWER OF LINUX |
| 06:55:34 | dj-fu | pwned. |
| 06:55:39 | dj-fu | mv stones /dev/null |
| 06:55:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 06:55:48 | dj-fu | just -j DROP them |
| 06:55:49 | dj-fu | ;) |
| 06:56:06 | * | dj-fu raises hand like Neo |
| 06:56:10 | dj-fu | Hah, I am protected by iptables. |
| 06:56:22 | * | Jungti1234 believes that power of Windows is stronger than LINUX power. |
| 06:56:45 | * | Kyomi throws bill gates at BHSPitLappy |
| 06:56:59 | * | BHSPitLappy stands protected still |
| 06:57:01 | * | Kyomi then throws steve jobs at him while he's not looking |
| 06:57:33 | * | Jungti1234 is helping Kyomi. |
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| 06:58:01 | dj-fu | wow |
| 06:58:02 | * | dj-fu dies |
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| 06:58:05 | dj-fu | doom actually plays. |
| 06:58:12 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 06:58:23 | * | Kyomi hurls a few penguins wrapped in dynamite at BHSPitLappy for good measure |
| 06:58:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: Why would we say we had doom if it didn't play? |
| 06:58:33 | dj-fu | mind you, I expected as much. |
| 06:58:48 | dj-fu | Paul_The_Nerd, I don't know - this is my first day. I kinda expected issues ;) |
| 06:58:48 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi, :D |
| 06:58:50 | VoltageX | ./configure && make nuclear warhead |
| 06:58:58 | * | BHSPitLappy still prefers iDoom, despite lack of sound |
| 06:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: There's issues, but it mostly works. |
| 06:59:45 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: I've just checked out libdumb from the cvs, theres one patch, then how do i get rockbox's make script to build it? |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:16 | Kyomi | >_< |
| 07:00:17 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 07:00:23 | Kyomi | Thats one thing I HATE |
| 07:00:31 | Kyomi | That stupid i infront of everything |
| 07:00:47 | Kyomi | Alright... xbox ruined Doom... ipod isn't doing it too |
| 07:00:53 | Kyomi | So just sod right off |
| 07:01:08 | Kyomi | Or call it by the right name |
| 07:01:59 | BHSPitLappy | Thats one thing I HATE |
| 07:02:02 | dj-fu | what is it that you hate? |
| 07:02:07 | dj-fu | I missed it |
| 07:02:08 | BHSPitLappy | people that do nothing but complain |
| 07:02:11 | VoltageX | question to everyone... |
| 07:02:16 | VoltageX | I've just checked out libdumb from the cvs, theres one patch, then how do i get rockbox's make script to build it? |
| 07:02:18 | Jungti1234 | yammy |
| 07:02:38 | Jungti1234 | Ice cream is very cool |
| 07:02:47 | dj-fu | doh. can't exit snake2 on ipodnano ;D |
| 07:02:48 | * | dj-fu reboots |
| 07:03:29 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, some of em don't have enlightened key settings |
| 07:03:31 | Kyomi | BHSPitLappy: HOw is that complaining? |
| 07:03:41 | BHSPitLappy | Kyomi: ... how is it not? |
| 07:03:42 | Kyomi | That's stating a fact :P |
| 07:03:58 | Kyomi | Doom should be pc only... it started on pc |
| 07:04:02 | VoltageX | :( |
| 07:04:05 | Kyomi | If you wanna play it.. get a farking pc |
| 07:04:16 | Kyomi | Not some pos laptop console |
| 07:04:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Add it to the makefile, I think |
| 07:04:29 | VoltageX | Kyomi: you don't want doom on rockbox? |
| 07:04:31 | Kyomi | I mean seriously... it's just a laptop with a gamepad |
| 07:04:32 | Jungti1234 | I want to play starcraft in my H300. :D |
| 07:04:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Sorry for the slow response time tonight. A little... distracted |
| 07:04:43 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not sure how to do that... |
| 07:04:48 | Kyomi | VoltageX: Doom on rockbox is awesome :) |
| 07:04:57 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: you're not paid to be here, so I understand fully |
| 07:05:02 | Kyomi | As long as it doesn't get called something stupid... like iDoom |
| 07:05:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Well, I know it's not anywhere near a usable state anyway |
| 07:05:07 | Jungti1234 | It may be foolish ideas. hehe |
| 07:05:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: But I think there should be a makefile in the codecs folder that tells it which other folders to include, but I'm not sure |
| 07:05:25 | Kyomi | Jungti1234: You know... I was thinking about that |
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| 07:05:32 | Kyomi | Jungti1234: It could be possible :) |
| 07:05:36 | dj-fu | wow |
| 07:05:40 | dj-fu | Can I donate money somewhere |
| 07:05:41 | dj-fu | for this |
| 07:05:43 | Kyomi | There aren't that many commands at all |
| 07:05:45 | Jungti1234 | hahaha, really? |
| 07:06:03 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 07:06:05 | dj-fu | nm |
| 07:06:06 | dj-fu | found it |
| 07:06:08 | Kyomi | It's just basically a mouse... which is the arrows on the player :) |
| 07:06:21 | Kyomi | Although it might be a bit slower since you can't have all the key combos |
| 07:06:44 | Jungti1234 | Even if it's not starcraft, I am fine. |
| 07:07:13 | Jungti1234 | Game such as starcraft is fine. |
| 07:09:55 | * | dj-fu donated to bjorn, whoever that is. |
| 07:10:13 | Kyomi | Donate to me :D |
| 07:10:18 | Kyomi | Even though I'm not on there |
| 07:10:23 | Kyomi | I need money ;_; |
| 07:10:23 | dj-fu | not that rich |
| 07:10:27 | dj-fu | used up all my paypals just then |
| 07:11:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 07:11:33 | dj-fu | do wps backdrops have to be a certain type of bmp? |
| 07:11:36 | dj-fu | can't find any good docs on it |
| 07:11:43 | * | dj-fu busts some gimp-fu |
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| 07:12:06 | Jungti1234 | Kyomi, I'm a poor student. :'( |
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| 07:15:24 | VoltageX | well I added dumb to the makefile where it looks as it should be, but it's not making it |
| 07:15:30 | VoltageX | there's a dumb section in the makefile |
| 07:15:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: 24-bit, same dimensions as the screen |
| 07:15:36 | VoltageX | and it seems to skip it |
| 07:15:43 | dj-fu | sweet, got it |
| 07:15:54 | dj-fu | is ther a way to select a .bmp for backdrop.. or do I have to edit a .wps to load it |
| 07:17:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: To use it in a WPS you use the %X tag (capital X) |
| 07:17:34 | dj-fu | sweet |
| 07:17:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | To use it as a menu backdrop, you set it to show all files, browse to /.rockbox/backdrops (where the file needs to be) and click and hold on the .bmp and then choose Set as Backdrop |
| 07:17:44 | dj-fu | oh |
| 07:17:45 | dj-fu | dope |
| 07:19:00 | dj-fu | If I was a blog guy. I'd so blog about this |
| 07:19:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 07:21:23 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: does the fact that it's skipping libdumb mean that it's totally broken? |
| 07:21:25 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:21:59 | Kyomi | backdrop as in background while the music isn't playing? |
| 07:22:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Nah. If it were broken in that way, you'd get warnings/errors from compiling. It's not added right, though I honestly can't say how it needs to be. I've never tinkered with that one. |
| 07:22:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: As in background behind the menus and file tree. |
| 07:22:10 | dj-fu | backdrop as in the background on any screen |
| 07:22:16 | Kyomi | I'm guessing it has to be 220x176? Or does it auto-scale? |
| 07:22:17 | dj-fu | and the wps too no? |
| 07:22:27 | dj-fu | nano's are a little smaller |
| 07:22:30 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: who would know? I'm really really wanting to play tracker music |
| 07:23:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Has to mate exactly |
| 07:23:40 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 07:23:51 | VoltageX | a lot of the cvs dumb stuff is done by 'hlc' but there's no contact details |
| 07:23:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: If the WPS does not define a backdrop in it, I believe it uses the menu one. Otherwise if it has a %X tag it uses its own |
| 07:23:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Match, rather |
| 07:24:15 | Kyomi | Argh |
| 07:24:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: HCl, I thought. |
| 07:24:25 | Kyomi | Someone make an auto-scaler :P |
| 07:24:36 | Kyomi | Like when you're viewing an image :) |
| 07:24:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Or you could just resize the image in almost ANY program. |
| 07:24:53 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: dyslexics untie! |
| 07:24:59 | Jungti1234 | I wonder.... |
| 07:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: HCl is in this room right now, but probably not at the computer. I haven't seen him speak in ages. |
| 07:25:35 | VoltageX | think he would kill me for /msg'ing him? |
| 07:25:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Who knows. |
| 07:26:34 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: we'll find out :) |
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| 07:26:53 | Jungti1234 | Why volume of Rockbox default setting is -25db? |
| 07:27:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not? |
| 07:27:29 | Kyomi | I probably blown my hearing |
| 07:27:30 | Jungti1234 | Isn't it loudness? |
| 07:27:39 | Kyomi | I keep it at -20DB |
| 07:27:52 | Kyomi | Then -5DB in the car and the car volume is like 40 |
| 07:27:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some people think -25 is loud (I do) and others think it is soft. |
| 07:28:04 | Jungti1234 | ... |
| 07:28:14 | dj-fu | whoa, that's quiet. |
| 07:28:18 | Jungti1234 | -45 is most suitable. |
| 07:28:20 | dj-fu | I was running it at about -6 |
| 07:28:29 | dj-fu | directly to headphones |
| 07:28:43 | Kyomi | dj-fu: Yes.. you lost your hearing |
| 07:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I listen at -55 at home. |
| 07:28:52 | Kyomi | Or you're music is EXTREMELY low volume |
| 07:28:53 | dj-fu | neg |
| 07:28:56 | dj-fu | my hearings is fine |
| 07:28:56 | Jungti1234 | Paul, me too |
| 07:28:57 | dj-fu | lol |
| 07:29:04 | dj-fu | I just don't like to hear anything else :) |
| 07:29:07 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: How do you even hear it at that level? |
| 07:29:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: It's quite clear. |
| 07:29:16 | Jungti1234 | I surprise because of Rockbox... |
| 07:29:17 | Kyomi | dj-fu: Thats why I have -20 :P |
| 07:29:22 | Kyomi | Maybe -18 |
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| 07:29:35 | Jungti1234 | My ear may tear |
| 07:29:40 | paco | hey guys |
| 07:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Though because my desktop's cooling is a bit noisy, I had to up it to -40 right now |
| 07:29:51 | Kyomi | But Cradle of Filth at like.... > -18 is like "You want your ears to bleed?" |
| 07:30:15 | VoltageX | lol, digging up the corpses aororraarrrgghhh! |
| 07:30:51 | paco | when i try to make the source i get this error: make[1]: *** [/Users/powerbook/desktop/1/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1 |
| 07:31:11 | paco | any suggestions? |
| 07:31:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | paco: Try doing a "make clean" and try again? |
| 07:31:28 | paco | ok |
| 07:32:02 | Kyomi | You're on a mac? |
| 07:32:14 | Kyomi | Thats why ;) |
| 07:32:22 | paco | yeah |
| 07:32:30 | paco | nothing happened |
| 07:32:35 | paco | too bad |
| 07:32:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is your rockbox patched at all? |
| 07:32:55 | paco | yes |
| 07:33:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | What patch? |
| 07:33:30 | paco | 3 |
| 07:33:36 | paco | hold on |
| 07:33:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try removing them all, making a new build directory, and see if it builds |
| 07:34:30 | paco | ok |
| 07:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should always make sure building unpatched works before installing patches, so you know if they broke your build, or there's some other problem |
| 07:36:05 | paco | in new to this :( |
| 07:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | No worries |
| 07:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why I'm here to help |
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| 07:36:55 | Kyomi | Heyy.... |
| 07:37:11 | dj-fu | hrm |
| 07:37:13 | Kyomi | Isn't a cacophone that floating cyclops enemy in Doom? |
| 07:37:17 | dj-fu | does ipod nano battery checkin work? |
| 07:37:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Cacodemon |
| 07:37:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: Eeeeeeh. |
| 07:37:38 | Kyomi | It's red... and you shoot it with the chaingun and it can't fire... XD |
| 07:37:45 | dj-fu | eeeeh? |
| 07:38:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: I don't know if it's enabled in CVS. It kinda works, but it's rather inaccurate. I think that's more of a hardware thing, as even in Retail it wasn't terribly accurate. |
| 07:38:25 | dj-fu | ic |
| 07:38:33 | dj-fu | i got a daily build of ipod nano |
| 07:38:34 | dj-fu | so maybe it does |
| 07:38:35 | amiconn | good m0rning |
| 07:38:42 | dj-fu | meh, I'm just glad I can drag'n'drop |
| 07:38:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mornin' amiconn |
| 07:39:02 | paco | nah, same error |
| 07:39:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: I hope your new_track change doesn't break mp3 gapless .... |
| 07:39:19 | paco | this is what i got: cc1: Invalid option `long-calls' |
| 07:39:29 | paco | make[1]: *** [/Users/paul/desktop/1/1/1/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1 |
| 07:39:38 | paco | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 07:39:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | paco: Ah, see, you didn't give me that first part. |
| 07:40:08 | paco | oh, my fault |
| 07:40:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | paco: Unfortunately, I know little of how to compile it properly on OSX, but that says to me that your C compiler doesn't work for this purpose. |
| 07:40:42 | paco | that's too bad |
| 07:40:52 | cacophony | 99 users |
| 07:40:55 | cacophony | who will be the 100th |
| 07:40:59 | cacophony | ? :O |
| 07:41:05 | paco | looks like its time to get out the dual boot |
| 07:41:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | paco: What GCC version are you using, and did you compile it yourself or is it just a packaged one? |
| 07:41:23 | cacophony | so which would you guys rather have |
| 07:41:37 | cacophony | dual booting osx and windows on a pc |
| 07:41:41 | cacophony | or dual booting osx and windows on a mac |
| 07:41:47 | paco | 4.0.1 and its packaged |
| 07:41:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 07:41:54 | paco | dual booting osx and gentoo |
| 07:41:54 | cacophony | and why |
| 07:42:08 | cacophony | I guess that works too |
| 07:42:11 | paco | i dont have an intel mac |
| 07:42:14 | cacophony | paco: on what platform |
| 07:42:18 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wold rather avoid OSX altogether as it offers him nothing. |
| 07:42:24 | cacophony | THATS THE SPIRIT |
| 07:42:25 | paco | yeah |
| 07:42:26 | cacophony | you know |
| 07:42:30 | cacophony | I installed itunes today |
| 07:42:30 | paco | dont |
| 07:42:34 | cacophony | and it installed a rootkit |
| 07:42:35 | Kyomi | Yay! |
| 07:42:35 | cacophony | on my pc |
| 07:42:35 | paco | they're not worth it |
| 07:42:44 | Kyomi | I agree with pabs |
| 07:42:45 | paco | yeah, its bull |
| 07:42:47 | Kyomi | I agree with Paul_The_Nerd |
| 07:42:47 | cacophony | I dont understand how apple fanboys can be so high and mighty |
| 07:42:48 | Kyomi | :D |
| 07:43:01 | cacophony | I dont understand how apple fanboys can be so high and mighty, and look down on the sony drm issue, when itunes does the same thing |
| 07:43:04 | paco | they're just trendy idiots that have no idea about anything |
| 07:43:07 | cacophony | it tried to install a driver to my cdrom |
| 07:43:10 | cacophony | and when I blocked it |
| 07:43:12 | cacophony | it disabled my cdrom |
| 07:43:16 | paco | lol |
| 07:43:39 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 07:43:49 | paco | i bought this laptop 2 years ago, it runs fine, but definately not worth the money |
| 07:44:11 | paco | anyway, looks like my c compiler is insufficient |
| 07:44:18 | paco | which is muy mericon |
| 07:44:38 | paco | this is a european channel, right? |
| 07:44:52 | Kyomi | I dunno |
| 07:45:05 | Kyomi | I'm not from europe and I'm in it |
| 07:45:13 | cacophony | no |
| 07:45:25 | cacophony | youre looking for rockbox on freenode.eu |
| 07:45:28 | cacophony | :p |
| 07:45:48 | cacophony | paco: what platform? |
| 07:46:04 | cacophony | bloodshed is a good standards compliant one for windows |
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| 07:46:32 | paco | you, im not in europe right now either |
| 07:46:58 | paco | i have the powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 |
| 07:47:05 | | Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) |
| 07:47:16 | paco | which means that im running tiger with gcc 4 |
| 07:49:07 | paco | 100 members |
| 07:49:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, specifically if you're making for ipod, which arm-elf-gcc version? |
| 07:50:05 | Kyomi | head-shoulders-knees-and-toes-knees-and-toes? |
| 07:50:26 | paco | arm-elf-gcc 2.95.3 (295) |
| 07:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ick |
| 07:51:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | You need to be using 4.0 or better |
| 07:51:10 | paco | ah |
| 07:52:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is soon going to want a new Title for in the forum. |
| 07:52:46 | VoltageX | :( I wish I was good at C |
| 07:53:16 | infamis | VoltageX: I wish I was good at _something_... |
| 07:53:18 | paco | im trying to get a class started in my school |
| 07:53:53 | paco | but unfortunately its much too "macho" and chauvanistic for a serious computer course |
| 07:55:18 | VoltageX | paco: you a C programmer? |
| 07:55:21 | infamis | so what does that make a serious computer course, feminine? |
| 07:55:28 | infamis | lol |
| 07:56:24 | paco | not at all |
| 07:57:12 | dj-fu | schools are mostly about rugby |
| 07:57:17 | dj-fu | and/or football |
| 07:57:21 | dj-fu | programming is illegal |
| 07:57:30 | paco | but i attend a more traditional school that appreciate football players basking heads more than computer nerds like myself that crunce numbers |
| 07:57:51 | dj-fu | ^^ |
| 07:57:52 | infamis | Not if your school is the top in the state...academic decathalon was what 'school' was about |
| 07:58:00 | paco | VoltageX: no, im barely proficcient in it |
| 07:58:15 | paco | yeah, well mine isnt |
| 07:58:49 | infamis | the athletes were the minority (and were also pathetic, at that) at my school |
| 07:59:00 | paco | lol |
| 07:59:18 | paco | the IT guys at my school are the most incompetent people ever |
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| 07:59:40 | ashridah | are they drunks? |
| 07:59:44 | infamis | incompetent? how so? |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:02 | dj-fu | wannabe IT dudes |
| 08:00:10 | Slocketman | !help |
| 08:00:24 | paco | yeah |
| 08:00:28 | Slocketman | right... / |
| 08:00:40 | infamis | left...? |
| 08:00:50 | paco | they sit in their little room all day and do nothing |
| 08:01:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do SD cards come in different physical size? |
| 08:01:03 | paco | they dont patch, upgrade, or fix anything |
| 08:01:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd though standard SD cards where a standard size |
| 08:01:11 | Slocketman | tried to use ! instead of / for a command... |
| 08:01:17 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: there's SD and MiniSD |
| 08:01:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | MiniSD isn't SD though |
| 08:01:31 | Slocketman | it's miniSD |
| 08:01:31 | paco | and isnt there an xSD? |
| 08:02:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically relating to this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3574.msg26304;topicseen#msg26304 though I thought it was just supposed to only support one of those two types in the slot anyway |
| 08:02:09 | infamis | at my school we got root for 2 whole years before they found out |
| 08:02:15 | * | Paul_The_Nerd unfortunately is a lot less capable of helping Archos users |
| 08:02:23 | paco | lol |
| 08:02:29 | paco | that's cool |
| 08:02:32 | infamis | damn novell |
| 08:02:47 | paco | they run windows server 2003 at mine |
| 08:03:04 | paco | one of the guys barely speaks english |
| 08:03:17 | infamis | those are the best kinds of IT people! |
| 08:03:31 | paco | and if there's something wrong with a computer, his solution is to take out a hard drive and put in another |
| 08:03:33 | VoltageX | infamis: on mac you can get root by hitting apple+s at boot |
| 08:03:40 | dj-fu | hax. |
| 08:04:06 | infamis | I hate macs...though I've never used them :) |
| 08:04:14 | paco | they're alright |
| 08:04:22 | infamis | looks to cartoony |
| 08:04:24 | paco | solidly built, but not worth the money |
| 08:04:27 | infamis | like windows xp default theme |
| 08:04:32 | paco | lol |
| 08:04:39 | paco | you mean the fisher price theme |
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| 08:05:25 | paco | so i got arm-elf-gcc 4.0.0.1 but when i make the file it says that im still using arm-elf-gcc 2.95.3 |
| 08:05:31 | infamis | yeah just give me a rectangular, solid-colored window with normal times font & I'm good |
| 08:06:06 | paco | yeah, i dont really like fancy shells |
| 08:06:09 | infamis | do you install in the same dir? |
| 08:06:13 | infamis | *did |
| 08:06:16 | paco | i like the fluxbox |
| 08:06:36 | paco | or the windows blackbox port if in useing windows |
| 08:06:39 | paco | using* |
| 08:07:15 | dj-fu | yep, bb4win is neato. |
| 08:07:21 | Slocketman | i think i'm using... zezayer? |
| 08:07:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | paco: Well, you need to probably overwrite 2.95.3, or remove it from the path, and then put 4.0.0.1 in the path |
| 08:07:31 | Slocketman | yes. zezayer is nice |
| 08:07:36 | dj-fu | or change the symlink to point at 4.0.0.1 |
| 08:07:39 | dj-fu | (lol)? |
| 08:07:48 | paco | problem is that i cant find the 2.95.3 path |
| 08:07:52 | dj-fu | is this on mac? |
| 08:07:53 | infamis | do a whereis |
| 08:07:56 | paco | yep |
| 08:08:00 | dj-fu | shit :) |
| 08:08:03 | dj-fu | I don't know crap about mac console |
| 08:08:09 | paco | im gouging my eyes out at this point |
| 08:08:09 | infamis | ^ditto |
| 08:08:14 | dj-fu | if it's like nix, `which gcc` |
| 08:08:21 | paco | well, lets put it like this |
| 08:08:48 | paco | its a shitty mock-up for a *nix terminal with 1/1000 of the functionality |
| 08:08:56 | paco | its gcc 4.0.0.1 |
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| 08:09:53 | | Part iPotato |
| 08:10:06 | infamis | or do the #1 incompetent-IT solution: format your drive & reinstall the OS |
| 08:10:22 | dj-fu | lol |
| 08:10:29 | dj-fu | install ubuntu dapper drake |
| 08:10:31 | dj-fu | power to the people |
| 08:10:41 | paco | i havent tried that out yet |
| 08:10:44 | paco | any good? |
| 08:10:48 | dj-fu | fully |
| 08:10:57 | dj-fu | http://deejayfuzion.t4c0.info/music/Screenshot.png |
| 08:10:58 | paco | its just a graphical installer, right? |
| 08:11:14 | | Quit gtkspert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 08:11:15 | paco | oh, nice |
| 08:11:20 | dj-fu | ;] |
| 08:11:29 | dj-fu | I've disabled that as latest updates are broken |
| 08:11:32 | dj-fu | hoping for a fix asap |
| 08:11:35 | dj-fu | although it's very nice, even without that. |
| 08:11:40 | dj-fu | has something for evetything i wanna do |
| 08:11:43 | infamis | dj-fu: wth?? 3d desktop? |
| 08:11:48 | dj-fu | infamis, correct |
| 08:11:50 | dj-fu | nice, no? |
| 08:11:55 | paco | indeed |
| 08:12:05 | dj-fu | My four workspaces are mapped onto the horizontal faces of a cube |
| 08:12:16 | dj-fu | not to mention windows which "wobble" and become transparent when moved |
| 08:12:17 | infamis | I'm too plain of a guy to want all that :) |
| 08:12:20 | dj-fu | lol :) |
| 08:12:22 | paco | im thinkin of just getting an old ubuntu disk, going into live and seeing if this will work from there |
| 08:12:27 | dj-fu | it has the Mac OS "expose" trick, too. |
| 08:12:34 | paco | lol |
| 08:12:44 | ashridah | it's a pity the extension required to do some of that stuff hasn't been finalized in nvidia's 3d driver. |
| 08:12:52 | dj-fu | only for aiglx |
| 08:12:57 | ashridah | (well, finalized full stop, really, since it hasn't standardized) |
| 08:13:14 | paco | yeah, cause im stuck with nvidea crap, and the nv driver really doesnt suffice |
| 08:13:28 | dj-fu | nvidia support for Xgl is > ati |
| 08:13:30 | Galois | that's actually really useful, because without it n00bs go "wtf where's my desktop" when they accidentally switch desktops |
| 08:13:31 | dj-fu | and I run ATI (go figure) |
| 08:13:50 | paco | lol |
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| 08:14:10 | infamis | Galois: I used to do that...til I only limited myself to 1 workspace |
| 08:14:13 | Galois | whereas with the cube graphic, the n00b goes "hey neat" and actually tries to figure out how it works |
| 08:14:21 | sayocean | got a question for anyone who can help me ipod G5 |
| 08:14:29 | sayocean | on itunes, i have a song that shows up |
| 08:14:33 | sayocean | but on the ipod, it is missing.. |
| 08:14:35 | sayocean | any idea what is going on? |
| 08:14:42 | ashridah | dj-fu: ah, not quite. the Xgl stuff uses an extension that even the most recent nvidia drivers hacen't supported yet, so you're stuck with mesa for the effects (not that they're slow with mesa, surprisingly, they're pretty fast) |
| 08:14:43 | dj-fu | rm -rf itunes/ |
| 08:14:47 | Galois | rockbox doesn't show your itunes files |
| 08:14:51 | sayocean | galois |
| 08:14:58 | sayocean | im talking about apple firmware |
| 08:14:59 | sayocean | lol |
| 08:15:10 | Galois | can't help you there, I've never used itunes |
| 08:15:14 | sayocean | anyone? |
| 08:15:17 | dj-fu | ashridah, !?! I did not know that. I thought that extension was only used for aiglx, not xgl |
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| 08:15:27 | paco | cya guys, im booting into dedicated linux |
| 08:15:28 | infamis | it shows up on itunes under 'iPod' |
| 08:15:33 | sayocean | yep |
| 08:15:37 | paco | not this mac os x mockup bull |
| 08:15:41 | paco | adios |
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| 08:15:46 | sayocean | but when i disconnect |
| 08:15:48 | dj-fu | sayocean, it's probably in the iTunesDB, but not on the drive. |
| 08:15:51 | sayocean | and look at my ipod |
| 08:15:54 | sayocean | its not there |
| 08:15:56 | dj-fu | ^^ |
| 08:15:59 | ashridah | infamis: http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi btw. it's 58MB, but well worth watching for the effects |
| 08:16:01 | sayocean | dj fu and idea how to remedy it? |
| 08:16:08 | dj-fu | I had the same issues, and gave up. now I run rockbox |
| 08:16:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Is it a store bought file? What format is it? |
| 08:16:28 | sayocean | its a song i ripped from a cd |
| 08:16:29 | sayocean | mp3 |
| 08:16:32 | dj-fu | lol |
| 08:16:39 | dj-fu | try find it in disk mode? |
| 08:16:48 | infamis | dunno...I'm anti-iPod but've had to mess with iPod/itunes for my girlfriend & dad's iPods |
| 08:16:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: And it doesn't show up in TagCache? Have you tried forcing a clean tagcache update (deleting the old tagcache files?) |
| 08:17:11 | sayocean | paul, this is for apple firmware |
| 08:17:20 | sayocean | i forgot to mention, i can find the song via SONGS |
| 08:17:27 | sayocean | but when i go through Artists, its not there |
| 08:17:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sounds like it doesn't have a proper Artist tag then |
| 08:17:36 | sayocean | but on my itunes, its tagged correctly |
| 08:17:37 | infamis | incorrectly tagged? |
| 08:17:44 | sayocean | its correctly tagged |
| 08:17:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's *something* wrong with the tag |
| 08:17:48 | sayocean | i have two versions of the song |
| 08:17:49 | midkay | sayocean, are you tagging it on the iPod or in your library? |
| 08:17:52 | sayocean | one original, one remix |
| 08:17:55 | sayocean | the remix one doesnt show |
| 08:17:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least, there's something wrong with how Apple supports the tag. |
| 08:18:01 | sayocean | library |
| 08:18:02 | midkay | i've only had that problem when the artist tag is missing.. |
| 08:18:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: This is really something you should be asking Apple, as we're Rockbox, a very very very different style of group |
| 08:18:11 | midkay | it needs to be tagged on the iPod of course.. |
| 08:18:13 | sayocean | anyway to rebuild the itunes.db ? |
| 08:18:27 | Galois | by the way, this is one of the reasons I hate itunes: it adds an unwelcome layer of complexity between the keyboard and your files |
| 08:18:28 | midkay | just go to 'iPod' in iTunes, and retag it directly on the iPod. |
| 08:18:39 | sayocean | grr. |
| 08:18:41 | sayocean | did that |
| 08:18:52 | Galois | with a file-browser approach, there's no question as to whether you have the right tag or not |
| 08:18:56 | midkay | then it'd work, something didn't happen right.. |
| 08:19:02 | infamis | see what the tags actually are using winamp or something |
| 08:19:58 | sayocean | anyone here use Ephod ? |
| 08:20:28 | dj-fu | the whole iTunesDB system is shite |
| 08:20:32 | dj-fu | I'm glad to be rid of my iPod software |
| 08:20:37 | infamis | I used to back in '02 |
| 08:20:46 | infamis | ..use ephpod |
| 08:21:02 | sayocean | ok |
| 08:21:04 | sayocean | got it to work |
| 08:21:08 | sayocean | but i had to go to itunes |
| 08:21:13 | sayocean | then retag it |
| 08:21:24 | sayocean | it didnt have anything in for "album" |
| 08:21:28 | sayocean | after i put "misc" it shows up now |
| 08:21:32 | sayocean | but wtf |
| 08:21:42 | sayocean | that was retarded |
| 08:21:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's their software. |
| 08:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's you who's choosing to still use it. |
| 08:23:04 | dj-fu | nod |
| 08:23:30 | sayocean | i did notice |
| 08:23:40 | sayocean | that the new bleeding edges weren't "pausing" as much |
| 08:24:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | What kind of iPod do you have again, and what bitrate files were you using? |
| 08:24:38 | sayocean | 5G (video) |
| 08:24:46 | sayocean | mostly 192k and VBR |
| 08:25:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you've been using a WPS that doesn't show a peakmeter? |
| 08:25:27 | sayocean | yep |
| 08:25:32 | sayocean | well not anymor |
| 08:25:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you have the equalizer set to "off" |
| 08:25:35 | sayocean | not after you told me not to |
| 08:25:41 | sayocean | ive been using iAmp |
| 08:25:50 | sayocean | with equalizer, crossfeed, crossfade off |
| 08:25:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 08:26:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's odd, because most people don't get pausing with it like that. |
| 08:26:20 | sayocean | no no, what im saying is, compared to like 5 days ago, the pausing has stopped more or less |
| 08:26:25 | sayocean | even on the "info/credits' page |
| 08:26:33 | infamis | We need a karma lookalike wps....anybody? |
| 08:26:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well "Has stopped more or less" is quite different from "not as much" |
| 08:27:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it do pausing while in the WPS? |
| 08:27:04 | sayocean | nope |
| 08:27:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, then why are you using the Apple OS? |
| 08:27:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought the pausing was the big thing for you |
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| 08:27:23 | sayocean | only happened once so far with the new CVS |
| 08:27:32 | sayocean | and that was when i was changing the background color |
| 08:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which isn't "In the WPS" really |
| 08:28:00 | sayocean | cause itd be a bitch to transfer all 50+ gigs i already have on my ipod via itunes back to my PC, and back to ipod for rockbox again |
| 08:28:02 | infamis | Pausing happens for me when there's a lot of scrolling too of the artist/title/etc.. |
| 08:28:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Why not use TagCache? |
| 08:28:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Also... that's "Start transfer, go to sleep, wake up, transfer finished." |
| 08:28:29 | sayocean | does tagcache update itself everytime i add new stuff? |
| 08:28:42 | sayocean | i have 1.4 gigs left on my pc |
| 08:28:46 | sayocean | its not happening |
| 08:28:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: You deleted the files from your PC after transferring them to the iPod? |
| 08:29:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And yes, TagCache should automatically update when you add things. |
| 08:29:32 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, just the person i was hoping would be on |
| 08:29:32 | sayocean | paul yes i did, delete them |
| 08:29:35 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, really? |
| 08:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's *supposed* to at least. |
| 08:29:47 | sayocean | also, when i do Tag Cache |
| 08:29:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Adding is supposed to work. Removing is not yet. At least, that's what I thought. |
| 08:30:02 | sayocean | and its done and i browse, it will say "searching, found (0)" |
| 08:30:04 | sayocean | which is odd |
| 08:30:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Something I can help you with? |
| 08:30:10 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, now i already know the answer... but maybe u know some ghetto way to do this |
| 08:30:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i had no idea that code was in place. i thought it had to be updated manually each time.. it'd be rescanning on boot then or something? |
| 08:30:25 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, can i make smart playlist, aka top 25 most played and such with RB |
| 08:30:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: You did shut down properly, and reboot first? |
| 08:30:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I believe so, yes. Not 100% certain, but I think so. |
| 08:30:43 | Galois | infamis: I'm not sure it is yet possible to have a Karma lookalike WPS |
| 08:30:47 | midkay | hmm. |
| 08:30:55 | midkay | interesting :) |
| 08:31:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Not at the moment. The facilities to do that have been removed, but expect them to return HOPEFULLY with 3.1 |
| 08:31:05 | sayocean | shutdown properly as in hold down on PLAY button |
| 08:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 08:31:13 | sayocean | yep |
| 08:31:15 | Angel_of_Death | whens 3.1 expected |
| 08:31:16 | infamis | Galois: how do you figure? |
| 08:31:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: And your TagCache is empty? |
| 08:31:24 | Galois | the Karma has two useful WPS displays, one shows you six songs in the playlist, and the other shows you an oscope trace of the audio |
| 08:31:33 | sayocean | its not |
| 08:31:38 | sayocean | all the artists, albums show up |
| 08:31:39 | sayocean | BUT |
| 08:31:41 | Galois | right now rockbox has no built in facilities for showing playlists or oscopes in the WPS |
| 08:31:54 | sayocean | it also says "searching.found (0)" or something liek that right before it lists the artists or albums |
| 08:32:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Do your files have Genre tags? |
| 08:32:14 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, u know of the top of ur head when 3.1 is expected |
| 08:32:15 | infamis | I usually just used the default progress indicator....just something nice & simple |
| 08:32:29 | midkay | november-ish.. |
| 08:32:40 | infamis | all the other wps's look too graphicy (even if it is all text) |
| 08:32:43 | Angel_of_Death | dang man by the time rockbox is *released* for 5g ipod..... its gonna be so good lol.... i mean it already makes apple firmware look like childs play |
| 08:32:45 | sayocean | paul, some do, some dont |
| 08:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: It's scheduled for November. The RuntimeDB features may or may not be in it. They may be earlier, or later. It's just *hoped* they will. |
| 08:33:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Well, is there a Genres entry inside of tagcache for you? |
| 08:33:08 | Angel_of_Death | i hope they will will be before |
| 08:33:19 | Angel_of_Death | thats one thing i liked about apple |
| 08:33:21 | sayocean | paul what do ya mean? |
| 08:33:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I'm just thinking something in the tagcache.config is going wrong. But I don't really know |
| 08:33:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Is there a Genres entry beside Artists and Albums |
| 08:33:40 | sayocean | yeh |
| 08:33:54 | midkay | i think my efforts will be futile, but - does anyone available know much about rockbox's menu code? anyone watching from the shadows? :) |
| 08:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Wait, is the "searching.found (0)" displayed on the screen, or are you talking about something that flashes and is gone? |
| 08:35:23 | sayocean | it flashes for a sec and its gone. then it lists all the artists |
| 08:35:26 | sayocean | or albums |
| 08:35:29 | sayocean | if i choose albums |
| 08:35:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | See, you need to be explicit. |
| 08:35:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said that it displays "before" them |
| 08:35:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you never said it clears. |
| 08:35:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | In a list, "before" is above. |
| 08:36:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It shows .found (0) because when it starts searching it has not yet found any. With long lists, you may actually see that number increase briefly as it goes. |
| 08:36:44 | sayocean | huh? i said "[01:32] <sayocean> it also says "searching.found (0)" or something liek that right before it lists the artists or albums" |
| 08:36:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 08:36:52 | sayocean | 'right before' |
| 08:36:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Before it lists |
| 08:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You did not say it clears |
| 08:36:57 | sayocean | right |
| 08:37:04 | sayocean | my bad |
| 08:37:09 | sayocean | is that normal? |
| 08:37:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Before it lists" could very easily mean "Above the list" as any text above a list is before it on the screen |
| 08:37:42 | sayocean | i have 50+ gigs.. so i have tons of artists.. then why wouldnt it say foudn (250) |
| 08:37:44 | sayocean | or something like that? |
| 08:38:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it disappears too quickly? |
| 08:38:19 | sayocean | hmm |
| 08:38:20 | sayocean | maybe |
| 08:38:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | "maybe" |
| 08:39:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try it with a particularly long list. |
| 08:39:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like All Songs |
| 08:39:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | See if it visibly increases before it clars |
| 08:39:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | clears |
| 08:39:59 | scorche | midkay: got some 2300 mAh batteries...works fine...still trying to figure out what went wrong with the other ones |
| 08:40:34 | midkay | scorche, good that they work but still odd, yeah. surely other people have used 2400mAh ones.. but i've never heard of such a thing happening like your problem. |
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| 08:41:10 | scorche | it made me sad that they worked though |
| 08:41:16 | scorche | i wanted to hear the beeping again |
| 08:41:31 | midkay | haha. keep a set of the 2400mAh ones around! :) |
| 08:41:36 | midkay | for your beeping pleasure.. |
| 08:41:56 | scorche | i do, but they only beeped that once....it gets even odder =P |
| 08:42:14 | sayocean | paul |
| 08:42:20 | midkay | haha, whoa.. |
| 08:42:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Que? |
| 08:42:27 | sayocean | when i shutdown the ipod while its updating tagcache, does it have to start it all over again? |
| 08:42:28 | scorche | indeed... |
| 08:42:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I really couldn't say. I've not tested that one, and so far nobody's told me "Hey, it was updating, but I felt like shutting it off halfway through." |
| 08:43:33 | sayocean | ah fuck |
| 08:43:35 | sayocean | it just froze on me |
| 08:43:39 | sayocean | i guess thats another issue |
| 08:43:50 | sayocean | when you accidently press too many buttons/commands, it freezes up |
| 08:44:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm |
| 08:44:20 | scorche | now i have to figure out if blue, red, or pure white LCDs would look better |
| 08:44:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've never managed to freeze my ipod that way. |
| 08:44:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, the only time my ipod has ever frozen has been when the playback engine was being reworked this last week |
| 08:45:05 | sayocean | fack |
| 08:45:12 | sayocean | ive been browsing the rockbox forum |
| 08:45:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the Data Aborts when we were trying to get Doom and Voice working, but that doesn't qualify since that was "We know this doesn't work yet, let's start trying it not-working to find out where it fails" |
| 08:45:17 | scorche | only time i have had an ipod freeze on me, was when it was low on batteries..lol |
| 08:45:21 | sayocean | and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common |
| 08:45:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Which issue? Because I've literally read every post in the last 4 months, and nobody has described an "It freezes when I press a bunch of buttons" bug. |
| 08:46:01 | sayocean | let me link you |
| 08:46:07 | dj-fu | pwned by sarcasm |
| 08:46:15 | sayocean | who got pwnt? |
| 08:46:33 | * | Paul_The_Nerd waits for the link. |
| 08:46:51 | * | infamis plays jeopardy theme |
| 08:46:53 | * | sayocean looking for the link |
| 08:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought you said it was pretty common |
| 08:47:20 | sayocean | it is |
| 08:47:22 | sayocean | hold on my friend |
| 08:47:50 | sayocean | "Problems i am having with this is that some things if i skip a song foward, the whole frimware freezes. Also, there is a high pitch glitchy sound in the beginning of the song. The stopping while playing mp3s still occur, but not as much as the older frimware that i tryed. " |
| 08:47:54 | sayocean | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.45 |
| 08:48:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: A) That has nothing to do with pressing multiple buttons at once |
| 08:48:18 | sayocean | i didnt say all at once |
| 08:48:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said too quickly |
| 08:48:34 | sayocean | [01:44] <sayocean> when you accidently press too many buttons/commands, it freezes up |
| 08:48:38 | sayocean | nope |
| 08:48:47 | sayocean | i said too many buttons slash commands |
| 08:48:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 08:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | And do you mean "Ever" |
| 08:48:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or do you mean within a short period of time? |
| 08:49:07 | sayocean | within a short period of time |
| 08:49:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it's quickly |
| 08:49:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now, if you read that post |
| 08:49:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | He describes "skipping forward" |
| 08:49:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is in fact ONE button press |
| 08:49:32 | sayocean | no quickly would be as if i was playing a video game that requires me punching the buttons like a maniac |
| 08:49:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The reason his bug occurred was a problem with the playback engine itself |
| 08:49:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | A problem that in fact does not exist in the CVS build |
| 08:49:42 | sayocean | what im talking about is, pressing pause, to pause the song |
| 08:49:49 | sayocean | then pressing the select button |
| 08:49:54 | sayocean | then trying to go back to the song |
| 08:50:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, and what does that have to do with his bug? |
| 08:50:52 | sayocean | Problems i am having with this is that some things if i skip a song foward, the whole frimware freezes. |
| 08:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you just described Pause->Select->Play |
| 08:51:21 | sayocean | it doesnt have to be "Pause , Select, Play" |
| 08:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but see his bug we've already established is a playback system issue |
| 08:51:39 | sayocean | in general, too many commands in a short period of time (call it "quickly" if you want to), it willf reeze it up |
| 08:51:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's not in the new CVS version |
| 08:51:55 | sayocean | well it just happened to me a few mins ago |
| 08:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, I would again ask that you show me evidence of this "Pressing too many buttons in a short to moderate amount of time" bug is common in the forums |
| 08:52:17 | sayocean | "Also, there is a high pitch glitchy sound in the beginning of the song. The stopping while playing mp3s still occur, but not as much as the older frimware that i tryed. " |
| 08:52:26 | sayocean | and that one just sums it all up. its not my ipod at all |
| 08:52:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: That bug too is fixed |
| 08:52:32 | sayocean | its a common issue |
| 08:52:39 | sayocean | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.0 |
| 08:52:47 | sayocean | just read that forum from first to last |
| 08:52:50 | sayocean | it might be fixed |
| 08:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: That thread is quite full of bugs |
| 08:53:08 | sayocean | but what im saying is, you thought that the bugs/problems might have been an isolated issue with just my ipod, but its not |
| 08:53:17 | scorche | ... |
| 08:53:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I told you I've literally read every post in the last 4 months. I was not joking |
| 08:53:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have read every post in that thread. |
| 08:53:46 | sayocean | lol |
| 08:53:47 | sayocean | k |
| 08:54:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are many different bugs covered in that thread |
| 08:54:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The one you linked me to was fixed 2 days ago |
| 08:54:12 | sayocean | yeh i noticed |
| 08:54:20 | sayocean | im not saying that the bugs are still around |
| 08:54:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, the problem you are having NOW is not Common |
| 08:54:25 | sayocean | except maybe the freezing up one |
| 08:54:29 | infamis | Round 2??? |
| 08:54:31 | sayocean | i totally understand that |
| 08:54:32 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, another question |
| 08:54:42 | scorche | popcorn anyone? |
| 08:54:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Then why did you say that YOUR problem was common in the forums? |
| 08:54:42 | sayocean | my point wasn't to argue that the bugs are still prevalent |
| 08:54:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: What can I do for ye? |
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| 08:55:03 | sayocean | to prove my point that the bugs werent JUST for my ipod and not on other 5Gs |
| 08:55:05 | Angel_of_Death | while im playing music, if i scroll thru my artist folder at a decent speed my music stops or skips |
| 08:55:10 | Angel_of_Death | untill i stop scrolling |
| 08:55:13 | sayocean | angel, thats what happens to me too |
| 08:55:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: But you just admitted that the problem you have ISN'T that one. |
| 08:55:18 | sayocean | or at least it used to |
| 08:55:20 | Angel_of_Death | brother says this is due to the buffer running out |
| 08:55:24 | Angel_of_Death | is there a way to prevent this? |
| 08:55:28 | sayocean | copy paste paul ? |
| 08:55:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: You disproved your own point. |
| 08:55:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | (1:54:18 AM) sayocean: i totally understand that |
| 08:55:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I assume that was in response to the last statement I made before it? |
| 08:55:55 | sayocean | 1) point was , the bugs i used to have weren't just on my ipod |
| 08:55:58 | VoltageX | well I've mastered helloworld, now what should I try :P |
| 08:56:05 | sayocean | 2) the bug i have left on my ipod = freezing up on me |
| 08:56:07 | sayocean | those were my 2 poitns |
| 08:56:08 | sayocean | points |
| 08:56:11 | sayocean | nothing else |
| 08:56:20 | Angel_of_Death | well Paul_The_Nerd is there a way to increase the buffer |
| 08:56:24 | sayocean | [01:54] <Paul_The_Nerd> So, the problem you are having NOW is not Common |
| 08:56:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Yeah. Except you said that "and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common" |
| 08:56:29 | Angel_of_Death | so that it doesnt skip or stop |
| 08:57:01 | sayocean | and ur right, the issues that i did describe a few days ago such as pausing up when scrolling and making screeching noises for the first second when i skip songs |
| 08:57:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Skipping is most often caused by the CPU not keeping up. Pick a WPS without peakmeters, and don't use the equalizer. The buffer size doesn't matter usually, because if the CPU can't keep 1k filled, it certainly can't keep 5mb or more filled |
| 08:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: You weren't talkign about the days ago issues though. You were talking about issues you had now. |
| 08:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: There's no point in complaining NOW about bugs that no longer exist. |
| 08:57:56 | Angel_of_Death | ok guess ill stick with it then, cause i love my waps and my meters And my bass =) lol |
| 08:57:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said specifically that there's an issue where you press accidentally too many buttons |
| 08:57:58 | sayocean | lol but i wasnt complaining, i was only complaining about the FREEZING up issue |
| 08:58:00 | sayocean | nothing else |
| 08:58:02 | Angel_of_Death | thanks for the advise tho |
| 08:58:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then your next statement was that it was common |
| 08:58:15 | sayocean | yeh it was a TOTALLY separate statement |
| 08:58:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | How could anyone infer that? |
| 08:58:27 | sayocean | going back to the issues i had few days ago |
| 08:58:30 | Angel_of_Death | OH and another thing Paul_The_Nerd theres a way to page down on the 5g correct? so u dont have to scroll? |
| 08:59:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: If you complain about a problem, then you say "and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common" without describing ANY other issues, one can only assume the issues you refer to are the most recently described ones. |
| 08:59:34 | sayocean | well my bad on not being so explicit |
| 08:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: I don't believe there is a page down at the moment, but I'm not sure. |
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| 09:00:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I already explained to you earlier in the conversation that you need to be explicit. Tell me, what clues in your conversation implicitly told a normal human that you had switched topics from "bugs that bother me now" to "Problems I had several days ago, but have not yet talked about today?" |
| 09:00:43 | sayocean | do i need to get down on my knees and say 'sorry' or something? |
| 09:01:04 | sayocean | i think we all get the point that the FAULT is on me for not being so explicit |
| 09:01:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, a "I'll try to be clearer next time" would be nice. |
| 09:01:20 | Angel_of_Death | hmmmmmmm |
| 09:01:24 | Angel_of_Death | gah |
| 09:01:27 | sayocean | I'll try to be clearer next time |
| 09:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's very hard to help people if they switch pronoun targets without telling you. |
| 09:01:45 | Angel_of_Death | dam straight u will |
| 09:02:04 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 09:02:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 09:02:32 | sayocean | :( |
| 09:02:47 | sayocean | how long does tagcache take for you angel? |
| 09:02:56 | Angel_of_Death | ummmmmm |
| 09:02:59 | Angel_of_Death | few seconds |
| 09:03:14 | spitball | anyone want to help me rewrite rockbox in COBOL? |
| 09:03:17 | sayocean | ORYL ? |
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| 09:03:22 | sayocean | how many gigs you got used on ipod? |
| 09:03:30 | sayocean | mines been goin for a few mins |
| 09:03:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: You can check the status of it in the Debug menu |
| 09:03:39 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, Are you aware of the button button combo play + up / down which scrolls by pages? |
| 09:03:41 | sayocean | im guessing tagcache is done once u can't hear the HD spin |
| 09:03:46 | Angel_of_Death | he must have been talking not about the 5g |
| 09:03:50 | sayocean | how do i do that paul? |
| 09:03:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: I'm aware of the combo, but wasn't aware you could do it properly on Ipod |
| 09:04:15 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, ive got 14gb used on my iPod |
| 09:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Go into the menu, choose Info, then Debug, then TagCache Status |
| 09:04:39 | sayocean | LOL |
| 09:04:45 | sayocean | 1628% |
| 09:04:46 | sayocean | wtf |
| 09:04:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 09:04:52 | Angel_of_Death | guess its done |
| 09:04:53 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 09:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you are using how new of a build? |
| 09:04:59 | Angel_of_Death | LMFAO |
| 09:05:00 | sayocean | bleeding edge |
| 09:05:02 | sayocean | from like an hour ago |
| 09:05:06 | Angel_of_Death | well ur bleeding for it now |
| 09:05:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 09:05:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, perhaps the status doesn't work right on iPods yet, or has some other issue |
| 09:05:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, when the virtual HD LED stops blinking |
| 09:05:45 | sayocean | u figure, with 50+ gigs , it would take a few mins, is that correct? |
| 09:05:57 | sayocean | paul, theres a virtual HD LED in the ipod? |
| 09:06:00 | Angel_of_Death | well mines 14gb and took me a few seconds |
| 09:06:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | "virtual" is the key word |
| 09:06:06 | sayocean | oh right |
| 09:06:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Up near the clock |
| 09:06:08 | Angel_of_Death | but iwouldnt be surpised if it took u much longer |
| 09:06:08 | sayocean | next to the time |
| 09:06:09 | sayocean | ok |
| 09:06:33 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: you familiar with the sudoku plugin? |
| 09:06:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: I know it exists. :-P |
| 09:06:50 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
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| 09:07:34 | ashridah | god damned connect-4 |
| 09:07:50 | ashridah | i can beat the agent they've given us to play against, but not consistently :/ |
| 09:07:57 | ashridah | stupid randomized agent |
| 09:08:38 | BHSPitLappy | suggestion: a key combo that exits all plugins |
| 09:08:41 | sayocean | paul, are you sure about TagCache updating each time I add new tracks via iTunes? |
| 09:08:43 | BHSPitLappy | by force |
| 09:08:50 | dj-fu | that's a good idea, BHSPitLappy |
| 09:08:59 | midkay | objection: most combos are needed in one plugin or another.. |
| 09:09:02 | Angel_of_Death | why would u use itunes |
| 09:09:23 | sayocean | good point |
| 09:09:36 | Slasheri | sayocean: auto updating works only if dircache is enabled and tagcache is loaded to ram |
| 09:09:43 | sayocean | is there a way to view both ID3 tags AND mp3s u have on ur F: |
| 09:10:06 | Angel_of_Death | yes, load to ram |
| 09:10:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: It *should* update each time. But that may not be working. If it isn't, a forced update should work anyway |
| 09:10:41 | Angel_of_Death | oh, i have one new GMAIL |
| 09:10:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Why don't you just switch back to File View when you need to see files? |
| 09:11:13 | sayocean | i could |
| 09:11:14 | sayocean | i suppose |
| 09:11:22 | Angel_of_Death | just hold menu now with bleeding edge |
| 09:11:35 | Angel_of_Death | then click the play button the amount of times u need to |
| 09:12:11 | sayocean | angel, what is this 'button combo ' u speak of |
| 09:12:25 | Angel_of_Death | hold menu |
| 09:12:31 | Angel_of_Death | and a screen should pop up |
| 09:12:40 | Angel_of_Death | alowing u to change shuffle, repeat, and file view easily |
| 09:12:46 | sayocean | right.. |
| 09:12:52 | sayocean | thats the button combo? |
| 09:13:00 | Angel_of_Death | hold menu when not in the now playing screen |
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| 09:13:07 | Angel_of_Death | might work in the now playing screen, havent tried |
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| 09:13:49 | Angel_of_Death | :P |
| 09:14:28 | infamis | it works in the wps |
| 09:14:55 | Angel_of_Death | infamis, i never said it wasnt feesible |
| 09:15:04 | sayocean | wtf |
| 09:15:12 | sayocean | it only shows artists A through C |
| 09:15:19 | sayocean | and when i get down to the end of C, therse an Arrow |
| 09:15:19 | Angel_of_Death | infamis, i said i would like it if it was changed some |
| 09:15:46 | infamis | you lost me...that's what I get for reading the last few lines in the channel |
| 09:16:07 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 09:16:12 | Angel_of_Death | i just read ur comment on the tracker |
| 09:16:27 | infamis | about what |
| 09:16:38 | Angel_of_Death | about the playlist thing |
| 09:16:50 | sayocean | angel, do you know how to use the "search by Artists" ? |
| 09:16:56 | infamis | firefox: new tab! go! |
| 09:17:16 | Angel_of_Death | ummm |
| 09:17:20 | Angel_of_Death | dont use it |
| 09:18:04 | sayocean | so if you wanted to play an artist like Zebrahead, u just scroll down for 10 mins??? |
| 09:18:15 | infamis | Angel_of_Death: ahh, now I get you...I guess feesible was the wrong word |
| 09:18:25 | ashridah | sayocean: well, i'd be more inclined to scroll up like 3 |
| 09:18:27 | ashridah | but anyway :) |
| 09:18:28 | infamis | I have a horrible vocabulary |
| 09:18:31 | Angel_of_Death | yer lol |
| 09:18:32 | Angel_of_Death | its ok |
| 09:19:09 | infamis | You don't know how hard I have to catch myself from describing constantly using the word 'like' |
| 09:19:56 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
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| 09:20:39 | infamis | welcome back |
| 09:21:17 | sayocean | what a nightmare |
| 09:21:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:21:30 | infamis | what's wrong? |
| 09:21:37 | infamis | just wake up? |
| 09:21:42 | sayocean | lol |
| 09:21:42 | sayocean | no |
| 09:21:49 | sayocean | going from A to Z in the artists |
| 09:21:55 | sayocean | and the scrolling is sooo slow |
| 09:21:57 | sayocean | unlike apple |
| 09:22:10 | ashridah | sayocean: the scrolling should be able to accelerate. |
| 09:22:36 | infamis | Easy solution: listen to a less variety of artists :) |
| 09:22:39 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 09:22:42 | sayocean | is it an option as? |
| 09:22:42 | Angel_of_Death | weve been over this |
| 09:22:48 | Angel_of_Death | no its not |
| 09:22:50 | Angel_of_Death | not yet |
| 09:22:52 | ashridah | if it doesn't, it's a bug in the interface for the tag cache, because it's configurable for the file tree |
| 09:23:15 | * | ashridah notes that tagcache's interface needs work, natch |
| 09:23:44 | amiconn | crap |
| 09:23:59 | Angel_of_Death | where! i dont see crap |
| 09:24:51 | amiconn | lostlogic: Another bug :( If you skip backward, allow a track to start, and then repeatedly skip backwards within the first few seconds, the wps keep going back in your tracks, but the playing track stays the same (!) |
| 09:25:05 | sayocean | UGH |
| 09:25:09 | sayocean | time to go back to apple |
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| 09:25:16 | amiconn | I managed it going back from track 7 to track 3 while still playing track 7 (!!) |
| 09:25:24 | Angel_of_Death | lol sayocean are u serious? |
| 09:25:37 | amiconn | sayocean: I can't, and won't, never go 'back' to apple |
| 09:25:43 | sayocean | [01:58] <Angel_of_Death> OH and another thing Paul_The_Nerd theres a way to page down on the 5g correct? so u dont have to scroll? |
| 09:25:48 | Angel_of_Death | apple is dead to me |
| 09:25:49 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 09:25:50 | sayocean | is there a way to page down instead of scrolling? |
| 09:25:54 | ashridah | amiconn: you won't "never" go back to apple? |
| 09:25:58 | ashridah | wee, double negative |
| 09:26:09 | Angel_of_Death | ummm not on 5g that we are aware of |
| 09:26:10 | amiconn | blarb |
| 09:26:19 | Angel_of_Death | since the 5g doesnt have the right buttons lol |
| 09:26:22 | amiconn | -never |
| 09:26:29 | infamis | won't never means you will...but I wasn't going to bring it up |
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| 09:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | "won't never" doesn't mean you will. |
| 09:26:57 | infamis | to me it does |
| 09:27:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It just means that in the future, your action will not be to "never go back" |
| 09:27:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;-) |
| 09:27:50 | Angel_of_Death | double negative! |
| 09:28:15 | infamis | to not go back but not do that only leaves one option |
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| 09:29:16 | infamis | not 1 is not equal to 2, but not true is equal to false |
| 09:29:21 | * | amiconn notices how a simple mistake can start a lengthy discussion |
| 09:29:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, but "not go back" and "never go back" are two different things. Never implies that at no time in the future will he go back. Fortunately to us, it never IS the future, so he can always still "Not go back now" |
| 09:29:47 | sayocean | paul |
| 09:29:53 | sayocean | got a question for you |
| 09:29:54 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, let it go lol |
| 09:30:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is just having fun. |
| 09:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | What can I do for ya sayocean? |
| 09:30:12 | Angel_of_Death | whats the command to * what u say |
| 09:30:16 | Angel_of_Death | sorry noob alert lol |
| 09:30:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | /me |
| 09:30:26 | * | Angel_of_Death thinks |
| 09:30:29 | Angel_of_Death | cool |
| 09:30:31 | amiconn | Well, one point was that I can't go 'back' because I never really used the apple fw, and even can't, because I don't have itunes installed |
| 09:30:41 | sayocean | When i Browse my Artists, it displays A-M and stops.. and at the end of the last artist on M, Matchbox 20, theres an arrow ( ====> )... is there anyway to display N-Z ? |
| 09:30:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Are there any problems booting Apple OS on the Mini2g? |
| 09:30:49 | sayocean | i already reset my limit to the max |
| 09:30:53 | amiconn | I got my ipod for use with and hacking rockbox - only |
| 09:30:54 | Angel_of_Death | true dat, i installed iTunes months ago |
| 09:31:00 | * | infamis blames amiconn for starting this |
| 09:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I can't answer that one. I've never had it stop like that with an arrow. |
| 09:31:25 | ashridah | it does for me too |
| 09:31:28 | ashridah | i presume it's currently a bug |
| 09:31:48 | ashridah | since while it looks like it's a "page next" arrow, it doesn't actually do what it should. |
| 09:31:54 | amiconn | The arrow is Slasheri's (non-working) attempt on chunked browsing |
| 09:32:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
| 09:32:20 | ashridah | but yes. all hail the development cycle |
| 09:32:21 | sayocean | ash, so for now, we are shit outta luck? |
| 09:32:28 | sayocean | and we just have to use the search function? |
| 09:32:31 | ashridah | sayocean: the search stuff works for me. |
| 09:32:43 | amiconn | I would prefer seeing it replaced by true chunked browsing, like the old db code did |
| 09:32:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: and that will be fixed soon, i am just working with proper chunked browsing implementation |
| 09:32:56 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 09:33:21 | sayocean | ami, could you explain to me how to use the text entry |
| 09:33:33 | sayocean | its frustrating to say the least. |
| 09:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the text entry is explained in the IpodFAQ |
| 09:33:42 | sayocean | it is |
| 09:33:52 | sayocean | but how do i move the cursor Below the separating line |
| 09:33:57 | sayocean | so i can select or delete |
| 09:34:26 | infamis | keeping going down |
| 09:34:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | You keep moving down until you're there? |
| 09:35:00 | sayocean | umm |
| 09:35:01 | sayocean | doesnt work |
| 09:35:21 | infamis | I just tried it... |
| 09:35:53 | amiconn | works here. |
| 09:35:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Works here on an ipod. |
| 09:36:12 | midkay | same for me. |
| 09:36:30 | infamis | 4 against 1 |
| 09:36:39 | sayocean | ok got it |
| 09:36:47 | Angel_of_Death | i would try it. |
| 09:36:53 | Angel_of_Death | but im stealing songs from the internet =) |
| 09:36:53 | sayocean | it works on mine too |
| 09:37:10 | sayocean | i just didnt realize the cursor itself doesnt show up when its below the line |
| 09:37:14 | midkay | the internet's going to want its songs back sooner or later, Angel_of_Death.. |
| 09:37:18 | midkay | stealing from the internet is not a good idea. |
| 09:37:28 | infamis | from the internet? the internets are gonna sue you |
| 09:37:44 | Angel_of_Death | naw |
| 09:38:14 | Angel_of_Death | i honestly dont know whats gonna happen to musicians if ppl pirate all their music |
| 09:38:20 | Angel_of_Death | they cant rely just on concerts lol |
| 09:38:53 | infamis | I doubt it would ever come to that...everyone downloading & no more buying |
| 09:39:06 | infamis | I download a lot but I also buy a lot |
| 09:39:21 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, so you're worried about musicians going out of business from having their music pirated, while *you're* doing it yourself? |
| 09:39:28 | sayocean | ok |
| 09:39:31 | sayocean | g/ntie everyone |
| 09:39:33 | Angel_of_Death | i only download now, i mean if i had money to spend i would buy the cd's of the artists i wanted to support tho |
| 09:39:36 | sayocean | thanks for your help paul |
| 09:39:59 | Angel_of_Death | midkay, yep basically :P |
| 09:40:22 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, convincing argument.. ah, and the "i'd do the right thing if i could" excuse, nice choice :) |
| 09:40:28 | Angel_of_Death | i mean downloading comes with its prices anyways, spyware lol |
| 09:40:39 | midkay | not if you have some sense, no.. |
| 09:40:50 | infamis | ^ what he said |
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| 09:41:00 | Angel_of_Death | no, i would..and when i get christmas money and shit i spend alot of it at allofmp3.com |
| 09:41:03 | midkay | let me guess, you're still using limewire/kazaa/morpheus/something even older? |
| 09:41:06 | Angel_of_Death | its like 10cents a song there |
| 09:41:17 | Angel_of_Death | limewire. |
| 09:41:42 | Angel_of_Death | i'de say ive only paid for like a 3rd of my music tho |
| 09:41:56 | infamis | I couldn't just buy _one_ song...even if it was cheap as hell... |
| 09:41:57 | Angel_of_Death | but i do buy when i can :P |
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| 09:42:06 | Angel_of_Death | lol they sell by the artist to |
| 09:42:08 | Angel_of_Death | albums and such |
| 09:42:12 | sayocean | slasheri |
| 09:42:13 | sayocean | question |
| 09:42:14 | Angel_of_Death | and u can pick the quality u want |
| 09:42:18 | Angel_of_Death | not like shitty itunes |
| 09:42:19 | sayocean | where can i find the "dircache" option? |
| 09:42:23 | Angel_of_Death | where its a dollar a song |
| 09:42:54 | midkay | general settings - system - disk - dir cache. |
| 09:42:59 | Angel_of_Death | actually i use Bit torrent sometimes for music to, rarely tho... only when its like all the songs that artist has ever released, but besides that its limewire |
| 09:43:03 | Angel_of_Death | anyways back to rockbox |
| 09:43:05 | midkay | although if you want to wait for Slasheri's answer.. feel free. |
| 09:43:07 | Slasheri | yep, there it is |
| 09:43:15 | midkay | surely none of us could manage to answer something that tough :) |
| 09:43:22 | Slasheri | =) |
| 09:43:28 | midkay | sayocean, i'd strongly suggest going through all the options.. |
| 09:43:33 | infamis | I don't like buying downloaded stuff period...I'd rather buy the real physical object |
| 09:43:37 | midkay | you'll know where they are and get everything set up the way you want it.. |
| 09:43:38 | sayocean | thanks |
| 09:43:48 | sayocean | slash, another question |
| 09:44:01 | sayocean | so for the time being, theres a limit to how many artists A-Z can be displayed? |
| 09:44:06 | Angel_of_Death | i dont, not with cd's that way they are now lol |
| 09:44:08 | sayocean | on browse artists? |
| 09:44:19 | Angel_of_Death | lol i like that whole sony incident :P |
| 09:44:21 | Slasheri | sayocean: currently yes, but that limit can be increased |
| 09:44:31 | Slasheri | you can increase the max files in a dir setting |
| 09:44:34 | Angel_of_Death | oh we didnt relize we were tracking information on ur computers with our recent cds |
| 09:44:43 | sayocean | to 10K correct? |
| 09:44:47 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 09:44:50 | Slasheri | correct |
| 09:44:52 | sayocean | even if i do that, it only displays A-Z :( |
| 09:44:58 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 09:44:59 | Galois | a normal CD is actually pretty good value for the money, especially used |
| 09:45:04 | sayocean | oh Nevermin |
| 09:45:05 | sayocean | d |
| 09:45:06 | sayocean | lol |
| 09:45:08 | Galois | the problem is that you can't hardly buy normal CDs anymore |
| 09:45:12 | sayocean | maybe restarting changed that |
| 09:45:14 | Angel_of_Death | yep |
| 09:45:22 | Galois | all you get now is this DRM'd copy protected fake CD |
| 09:45:31 | Angel_of_Death | and u cant do anything with them, well u can |
| 09:45:36 | Angel_of_Death | but its harder then it should be |
| 09:45:43 | Angel_of_Death | u bought it u should be able to do what u wish with it |
| 09:45:45 | Galois | that's the real crime, that the music industry is not even interested in helping out their legitimate customers |
| 09:46:18 | sayocean | slash, one last question |
| 09:46:30 | Slasheri | hehe, please just ask ;) |
| 09:46:33 | Angel_of_Death | it's dumb that they are doing that, because the people who dont buy still dont, and the people who rip it off there CD's still manage to |
| 09:46:34 | sayocean | is there a way to scroll up or down faster when browsing the artists or tracks? |
| 09:46:37 | Angel_of_Death | so its a wasted effort |
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| 09:46:47 | Galois | it's worse than wasted |
| 09:46:52 | Slasheri | sayocean: i don't know about ipod, but on iriver holding play (=shift) enabled paged scrolling |
| 09:46:56 | Galois | it's active warfare against their patrons. It's counterproductive. |
| 09:47:11 | sayocean | hmm |
| 09:47:15 | sayocean | play = shift ? |
| 09:47:33 | * | midkay wonders why questions many others could answer are still directed at Slasheri. hmm... *keeps quiet* |
| 09:47:35 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, if u find a way to page scroll hit me up |
| 09:47:37 | Slasheri | might be, i don't have an ipod to try that.. |
| 09:47:48 | Slasheri | :D |
| 09:47:48 | sayocean | midkay, can you help :) |
| 09:47:52 | sayocean | thanks slash btw |
| 09:47:54 | infamis | midkay: it's cause Paul left... |
| 09:47:55 | Slasheri | np |
| 09:48:04 | Angel_of_Death | oh em gee, paul left? |
| 09:48:10 | Angel_of_Death | wow thats a first that ive seen lol |
| 09:48:15 | midkay | infamis, so people just leech on to others that give them a bit of help, yes, i'm noticing that's how it works :) |
| 09:48:43 | infamis | pretty muc |
| 09:48:43 | infamis | h |
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| 09:49:50 | Angel_of_Death | ok its almost 4am, need to get up in a few hours here i need to rap it up |
| 09:49:55 | Angel_of_Death | time to rename all these songs |
| 09:52:06 | infamis | likewise, I'm gonna be at work all night if I stay here |
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| 09:56:16 | HCl | what nonsense about the jeweled plugin |
| 09:56:42 | HCl | unless that guy has a *patent* on the type of game and gameplay, he cannot claim copyright. |
| 09:56:52 | HCl | none of their code nor graphics was copied. |
| 09:57:24 | HCl | patents are for protection of ideas |
| 09:57:32 | HCl | so unless he has a patent he's just totally wrong |
| 09:57:35 | Angel_of_Death | alright chaps |
| 09:57:41 | Angel_of_Death | HCI cool ur jets |
| 09:57:43 | Angel_of_Death | who cares |
| 09:57:46 | Angel_of_Death | nite |
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| 09:58:00 | HCl | well |
| 09:58:11 | Galois | the US copyright system is just barely screwed up enough that a game creater might from time to time successfully obtain copyright protection for a set of gameplay rules |
| 09:58:13 | HCl | i care for bigheaded people who try to bash on an opensource project :) |
| 09:58:15 | infamis | wasn't it just a name change |
| 09:58:16 | scorche | HCI?....guess he doesnt know an acid when he sees one =( |
| 09:58:25 | Ave | woohay, I got a fresh ipod nano rockboxified here |
| 09:58:37 | Galois | didn't tetris get caught up in a big copyright (not patent) brouhaha? |
| 09:58:37 | Ave | everything went smoothly |
| 09:58:53 | HCl | as far as i know, in order to get copyright on an idea, you need a patent. |
| 09:59:04 | HCl | that's what patents are for |
| 09:59:38 | Galois | TTC has licensed the Tetris mark to a number of companies, but courts have not decided on the legality of tetromino games that do not use the Tetris name. |
| 09:59:40 | Galois | According to circulars available from the United States Library of Congress, a game cannot be copyrighted (only patented), which would invalidate much of TTC's copyright claim on the game |
| 09:59:56 | Galois | so, basically, HCl, you're right, but it hasn't stopped people from trying |
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| 10:00:34 | bancus | Is there any way to shuffle the contents of a parent directory, rather than just a leaf directory? |
| 10:00:45 | HCl | Galois: *nodsnods* |
| 10:00:53 | Mikachu | you mean without shuffling the contents of the leaf directories? |
| 10:00:59 | Mikachu | in that case no |
| 10:01:09 | bancus | No. |
| 10:01:16 | Mikachu | you can shuffle your whole playlist |
| 10:01:19 | bancus | I have an Artist/Album structure |
| 10:01:27 | HCl | Galois: care to reply that on the thread in the dev mailing list to settle this matter? |
| 10:01:28 | bancus | say I want to shuffle all the albums by one artist |
| 10:01:40 | Mikachu | all tracks in any order? |
| 10:01:43 | bancus | Do I need to make them a playlist in order to shuffle them? |
| 10:01:45 | bancus | yeah |
| 10:01:47 | Galois | ugh, I'm not into mailing lists |
| 10:01:49 | Mikachu | just add the Artist directory recursivery |
| 10:01:50 | Mikachu | ly |
| 10:01:51 | HCl | okay |
| 10:01:53 | bancus | how? |
| 10:01:53 | HCl | i'll do it then :P |
| 10:01:53 | Galois | I took that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris |
| 10:01:59 | Mikachu | bancus: there's an option somewhere |
| 10:02:01 | Galois | as everyone knows, wikipedia is _always_ right |
| 10:02:12 | HCl | haha |
| 10:02:15 | Mikachu | bancus: also i think context menu insert is always recursive |
| 10:02:21 | Mikachu | bancus: but maybe it isn't |
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| 10:02:33 | bancus | how do you access the context menu? |
| 10:02:43 | Mikachu | on ipods you hold select |
| 10:02:58 | bancus | aha |
| 10:03:02 | bancus | yeah, it's similar on my X5 |
| 10:03:17 | bancus | hm |
| 10:03:24 | bancus | except it doesn't find the tracks |
| 10:03:37 | Mikachu | maybe you need to turn on the recursive option after all |
| 10:03:46 | bancus | hm |
| 10:03:54 | Mikachu | it's probably in Playlist Settings |
| 10:04:00 | Ave | you guys know of the battery status indicator is working in daily/cvs code fir ipods? |
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| 10:04:03 | Galois | US lawsuits are far more heinous than in europe though. If you're sued in the US in civil court, there's no way to defend yourself unless you have a lot of money, *regardless* of the rights and wrongs of the actual case. |
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| 10:04:04 | Ave | if |
| 10:04:05 | bancus | oh, yeah, there it is |
| 10:04:07 | Mikachu | Ave: more or less |
| 10:04:15 | Ave | yay! |
| 10:04:32 | * | Ave is filled with glee |
| 10:04:52 | bancus | thanks, Mikachu |
| 10:05:05 | Mikachu | yw |
| 10:05:11 | Galois | the nano battery indicator displays correctly to within, say, 5% |
| 10:05:26 | Galois | the time remaining estimate of course is still way off |
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| 10:05:54 | HCl | Galois: yea, us law sucks :S |
| 10:05:58 | bancus | hm |
| 10:06:07 | bancus | it seems to be reading the length of my FLACs incorrectly |
| 10:06:15 | Ave | do you have a reading on the ipod of how much current is being drawn from the battery at any given time? |
| 10:06:28 | Galois | I don't think any current readings exist |
| 10:06:35 | Ave | how do you estimate playback time? |
| 10:06:49 | Ave | or how does apple do it |
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| 10:08:05 | Galois | linear extrapolation from a sequence of voltage readings, I think |
| 10:08:19 | Galois | I'm not actually sure. It might just use a naive voltage to time function for all I know. |
| 10:08:34 | Mikachu | apple doesn't do it |
| 10:08:42 | Mikachu | their meter only shows Empty, 20%, 80% and Full |
| 10:08:52 | Galois | huh? I've seen 50% from apple's meter |
| 10:09:05 | Mikachu | maybe that one too then |
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| 10:11:46 | Ave | oh |
| 10:11:50 | Ave | well screw apple |
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| 10:16:58 | Ave | well I've used couple mp3 portable players and the ipod interface with rockbox beats em all hands down |
| 10:17:11 | ashridah | heh. well. to be on the safe side, i say change the name of jewels to something completely devoid of the word "jewels" (call it rock-n-row or something) and problem solved :) |
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| 10:17:42 | Ave | carbon conundrum |
| 10:18:08 | Mikachu | i doubt a trademark on "bejeweled" covers "jewels" |
| 10:18:36 | ashridah | Mikachu: it's going to be easier to fight if it doesn't contain even part of the name |
| 10:19:52 | ashridah | besides, the guys going to have to attack http://sebdelestaing.free.fr/gweled/ if he wants to attack our version |
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| 10:22:10 | ashridah | infact, if we call it "Diamond mine", we've basically used the same name as about 1 zillion clones, which could even predate popcap |
| 10:22:29 | ashridah | then again |
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| 10:22:37 | ashridah | perhaps not, popcap have used that name too |
| 10:23:12 | bancus | are there any unicode fonts available? |
| 10:23:18 | Mikachu | yes |
| 10:23:25 | Mikachu | 6+12x13 and unifont are unicode |
| 10:24:32 | bancus | woot, thanks |
| 10:25:30 | dj-fu | so, is the random tiny pauses on ipod playback normal? |
| 10:25:36 | dj-fu | with vbr mp3 |
| 10:25:54 | ashridah | yeah, we designed it to do that :) |
| 10:25:58 | Ave | heh |
| 10:25:59 | dj-fu | ah, sweet. |
| 10:26:07 | dj-fu | i meant normal as in it's a known issue |
| 10:26:19 | ashridah | dj-fu: the playback code's been going through some fairly major rewrites atm, in order to simplify it |
| 10:26:26 | Ave | well I'm impressed, I cna play back q7 vorbis AND play "frozen bubble" the same time, no hiccups |
| 10:26:28 | ashridah | the problem is, it's at the stage where it's a bit too simple |
| 10:26:36 | * | ashridah looks at lostlogic |
| 10:26:38 | Mikachu | dj-fu: if you use a theme witohut peakmeters and don't use eq and crossfeed, it shouldn't skip |
| 10:26:47 | dj-fu | oh sweet. |
| 10:27:12 | Mikachu | you can look at the info->debug->view audio thread |
| 10:27:21 | Ave | btw should latin1 filenames be supported or is it only utf8? |
| 10:27:27 | Ave | I currently see 'ä' as blank |
| 10:27:30 | dj-fu | what should I be looking at |
| 10:27:32 | bancus | you can set the default |
| 10:27:32 | Mikachu | fat32 is utf8 |
| 10:27:36 | bancus | it's in the display settings |
| 10:27:41 | bancus | Mikachu: I'm pretty sure that's untrue. |
| 10:27:49 | Ave | I hope linux can do transparent file renaming then... |
| 10:27:51 | Mikachu | i think the codepage is only for tags but that could be wrong |
| 10:27:54 | dj-fu | fat32 needs utf8 for international haxinating |
| 10:27:55 | bancus | I believe you can use whatever 8-bit encoding with vfat. |
| 10:28:23 | Mikachu | you can, but it specifies some sort of unicode internally |
| 10:28:30 | Mikachu | Ave: man mount.vfat |
| 10:28:30 | bancus | Mikachu: the display settings changed my russian artist directories from blanks to squares |
| 10:28:39 | Mikachu | bancus: heh |
| 10:28:45 | bancus | changing it from latin-1 to utf8 |
| 10:28:47 | Ave | Mikachu: I knew about -o utf8 but |
| 10:28:53 | Mikachu | if you mount with -o utf8 and use utf8 in linux, it will work |
| 10:28:59 | Mikachu | that's all i can tell you with certainty |
| 10:29:07 | Ave | but I'm not using utf8 in linux :( |
| 10:29:15 | Ave | all my files are in latin1 |
| 10:29:17 | Mikachu | you can probably use some -o iocharset and stuff |
| 10:29:22 | bancus | eventually the whole world will use unicode, and this shit will stop being an issue |
| 10:29:27 | Mikachu | but i don't want to read the manpage for you :) |
| 10:29:31 | Ave | I even changed my ubuntu laptop to use latin1 instead of wtf-8 |
| 10:29:44 | Ave | yes I'll go read the manpage |
| 10:29:52 | Mikachu | it is hard to say ã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯ in latin1 |
| 10:29:56 | Ave | indeed |
| 10:30:12 | Ave | fortunately I dont have a need to say that particular thing |
| 10:30:21 | bancus | or ÑпаÑибо |
| 10:30:40 | Ave | I ran into utf8 problems with legacy systems so I had to turn it off for now |
| 10:30:46 | bancus | I have music in English, Russian, German, Spanish and Italian |
| 10:30:50 | bancus | Unicode++ |
| 10:31:25 | Mikachu | my only problem is most linux apps use utf8 with id3v2.3 which is wrong, so i had to hack the tag reading in rockbox a bit |
| 10:32:03 | RedBreva | Can someone help me with a nooby style linux question? I have created a link to the simulator, but can't see how to add the −−background parameter (VMWare Rockbox Buils + KDE) |
| 10:32:35 | Galois | Ave: it doesn't matter what you use, eventually everybody else will be utf8 |
| 10:32:45 | Ave | yes I hope that too |
| 10:32:52 | Ave | but at the time there are some "kinks" |
| 10:33:09 | Ave | the more out of the box os's will use utf8, the better |
| 10:33:11 | Galois | and you can't just stick your head in the sand on the grounds that you personally only know english. Even the most die-hard rednecks need to know how to calculate the length of a string and basic shit |
| 10:33:24 | Mikachu | RedBreva: 'echo archosui −−background > file.sh; chmod +x file.sh' |
| 10:33:25 | bancus | oddly enough I find that the biggest users of non-utf8 encodings are people who use CJK and Russians |
| 10:33:35 | Galois | bancus: yeah, foreigners have the same problem in reverse |
| 10:33:43 | Ave | Galois: hold on, its not language issue, rather than that I can express ALL my langauges in latin1 |
| 10:33:47 | Mikachu | bancus: cjk in utf8 is 33% larger |
| 10:33:51 | Ave | not english native |
| 10:33:54 | Galois | again, it doesn't matter |
| 10:33:55 | RedBreva | Mikachu: Thanks, will try it |
| 10:34:03 | Galois | there are other languages that you don't know and will have to deal with |
| 10:34:08 | bancus | Mikachu: supposedly CJK in Unicode collapsed some glyphs thath they shouldn't have |
| 10:34:18 | Ave | yes I see exactly what you mean, and I dont wanna appear as utf8 opposer, its great for all.. |
| 10:34:30 | bancus | a lot of them still use BIG5 |
| 10:34:32 | Ave | of course it makes perfect sense to use utf8 for project like rb |
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| 10:35:22 | Ave | and my so called problem is probably avoidable with mount options, so no harm done |
| 10:35:56 | Mikachu | Ave: you can always use convmv if you have to |
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| 10:36:23 | Ave | thanks for the suggestions, I need to see thru all this, fairly new territory |
| 10:36:41 | Galois | I always use mount -o utf8, and it Just Works (tm) |
| 10:36:50 | Mikachu | i had to use convmv for some files i got from a macosx friend |
| 10:36:50 | Galois | well, almost works. FAT32 limitations still abound |
| 10:36:57 | Mikachu | they use NFD but rockbox and linux use NFC |
| 10:37:09 | Galois | like, you can't have / or : in filenames, so I just replace those with similar-looking unicode glyphs :P |
| 10:37:11 | * | Mikachu wonders if anyone knows what he's talking about |
| 10:37:11 | amiconn | A propos utf8 - text_editor.rock doesn't work properly with non-ascii chars :( |
| 10:37:27 | Mikachu | amiconn: i found that it works with utf8 but the normal text viewer recently doesn't |
| 10:37:37 | Galois | yea the text _viewer_ doesn't work with non-ascii |
| 10:37:44 | Mikachu | it used to though |
| 10:37:47 | Mikachu | but now it just shows crap |
| 10:37:55 | amiconn | Mikachu: The text viewer uses your default codepage setting. text_editor does not. |
| 10:38:11 | Mikachu | well, i've got that set to utf8 unless it changed back on me |
| 10:38:18 | Mikachu | which it very well might have... |
| 10:39:56 | amiconn | Well I've set my codepage to latin1, and the viewer shows everything like it should. |
| 10:40:37 | Galois | I set the default codepage to utf8 and still the viewer only partially works |
| 10:40:53 | Galois | many glyphs show ? in the text viewer (the same characters display fine in the file browser and WPS) |
| 10:41:08 | Mikachu | the text viewer doesn't line break multibyte correctly |
| 10:41:17 | Mikachu | there is apatch for that on the tracker |
| 10:41:47 | webguest50 | hi all, are there smart playlists yet? |
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| 10:42:50 | ashridah | webguest50: not yet. we haven't got a working runtime stats unit working, and it's not likely to be added in now, since we're in feature freeze pending release. |
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| 10:43:40 | JdGordon | gday all |
| 10:44:02 | * | amiconn wonders what smart playlist should be |
| 10:44:10 | amiconn | *playlists |
| 10:44:33 | ashridah | amiconn: adding your favourite songs, typically. |
| 10:44:43 | ashridah | or adding them based on your current genre, etc |
| 10:45:10 | Mikachu | webguest50: i believe the databox plugin sort of might do what you want |
| 10:45:28 | Mikachu | it lets you create a search and save to a file |
| 10:45:41 | Mikachu | then you can just select that file to perform the search and create a playlist |
| 10:46:06 | webguest50 | oh ok, I saw something about them here http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223 |
| 10:47:36 | webguest50 | in the comments section |
| 10:47:48 | webguest50 | i'll check out the databox, thank you |
| 10:48:23 | HCl | databox |
| 10:48:25 | HCl | who what where |
| 10:48:27 | HCl | i wrote that :) |
| 10:48:57 | HCl | the databox plugin does do that but i believe it's been obsoleted |
| 10:49:04 | HCl | with the tagcache |
| 10:49:09 | webguest50 | oh, and if any of the developers are here, thanks so much, i used this on my archos and I'm so glad I can replace apple's software |
| 10:50:09 | webguest50 | well I have tagcache on, and I don't know how to take advantage of it... |
| 10:50:10 | ashridah | haha. gotta love osnews.com for flamebait posts. "why windows is less secure than linux" |
| 10:50:30 | ashridah | links to two images, with iis's being a horrible mess, and apache's being nice and straight, but otherwise confirming nothing |
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| 10:54:44 | webguest50 | how is tagcache useful in the latest version? |
| 10:55:03 | midkay | webguest50, what do you mean, how is it useful? if you find it useful, feel free to use it. |
| 10:55:24 | webguest50 | if there a away to browse albums, or artists? |
| 10:55:30 | ashridah | webguest50: it builds a tag database on the fly, so it can display by artist, album, etc. |
| 10:55:36 | midkay | yes, that's... the entire premise of tagcache. |
| 10:55:46 | ashridah | you just need to wait until it's been generated, and then change the file view to Id3 mode |
| 10:55:56 | midkay | whether you find that useful or not is user-specific. |
| 10:56:47 | webguest50 | aha! I have to change the file view! I thought an additional view would appear somewhere |
| 10:57:53 | ashridah | webguest50: hold down the menu button to get a quick-screen to change it |
| 10:58:13 | ashridah | (assuming that's how the quickscreen shows up on your platform, mind you) |
| 10:58:41 | VoltageX | ashridah: (lagging behind here)... but IIS is a mess! |
| 10:59:07 | ashridah | VoltageX: sure, but you could just as easily make apache+linux look like a mess by rearranging the picture |
| 10:59:14 | ashridah | graph drawing is *highly* subjective |
| 10:59:18 | webguest50 | thank you ashridah and midkay |
| 10:59:31 | midkay | no problem.. |
| 10:59:42 | VoltageX | ashridah: chmod -R 777 as root :) |
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| 11:00:06 | ashridah | what? |
| 11:00:19 | VoltageX | ashridah: to mess up linux |
| 11:00:26 | lostlogic | amiconn: I'm not able to reproduce that bug, do you have the large-ish commit that I made last night in when you create it? That should be impossible after that patch. |
| 11:00:47 | ashridah | VoltageX: that's only going to break anything that's got the sticky bit set, it won't actually break much else. |
| 11:00:48 | amiconn | Yes I have |
| 11:01:01 | ashridah | (ie, /tmp might be less functional than it was previously) |
| 11:01:08 | ashridah | it's certainly insecure, but that's much of a muchness |
| 11:01:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: weird. |
| 11:01:17 | VoltageX | lol |
| 11:01:21 | Mikachu | ashridah: it will break anything that checks for sane permissions |
| 11:01:23 | Mikachu | ashridah: like ssh |
| 11:01:30 | VoltageX | ashridah: rm -rf / will help then :D |
| 11:01:39 | ashridah | Mikachu: that's hardly 'breaking linux' |
| 11:02:40 | amiconn | lostlogic: It's fairly easy reproducable here (although getting more than one track difference isn't that easy to reproduce) |
| 11:03:34 | amiconn | If you're somewhere in a track, just skip back to the beginning, wait until it starts playing, then immediately skip back again. |
| 11:03:44 | VoltageX | now that I've mastered hello world on rockbox, what should I try? |
| 11:04:06 | VoltageX | ;) |
| 11:04:14 | amiconn | It shortly pauses, then continues playing the current track, but wps shows the previous track |
| 11:05:25 | lostlogic | amiconn: :( I can't get it |
| 11:05:34 | lostlogic | wait, just did. |
| 11:05:35 | VoltageX | amiconn: doing that on cvs a couple of weeks ago froze rockbox |
| 11:05:35 | lostlogic | ok |
| 11:06:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: This difference then even stays if you again skip back to the beginning of the track |
| 11:06:36 | lostlogic | yeah, it'll stay until there's a 'successful' track change. |
| 11:06:39 | amiconn | If you're skipping back or forth more than one track, it will eventually sync up again |
| 11:08:28 | amiconn | Ugh! Hard freeze... |
| 11:08:51 | lostlogic | Ugh! indeed, how to cause? |
| 11:08:59 | lostlogic | back skipping letting audio just start? |
| 11:09:11 | amiconn | This was just while playing a track (with the wps offset by -1) |
| 11:09:28 | amiconn | It seems it tried to buffer the next track since the current one was about to end |
| 11:09:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, that would make sense, if it thinks its playing a song its not. |
| 11:10:54 | amiconn | Let's see whether it's reproducable... |
| 11:10:58 | webguest50 | is there a way to still play with rockbox while the ipod is plugged in via usb? |
| 11:11:14 | lostlogic | webguest50: you have have it charging, but you cannot access it with your computer |
| 11:11:23 | lostlogic | webguest50: hold menu while inseting USB |
| 11:12:01 | lostlogic | webguest50: note, this charge mode is not right currently, and will take a very long time to charge, and if you have backlight always on, it will actually just slow battery drain, because we don't properly initialize USB charge mode. |
| 11:12:24 | webguest50 | so it can't be mounted as a hard drive while in the GUI? |
| 11:12:29 | lostlogic | no. |
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| 11:12:54 | lostlogic | we still use Apple's disk mode, plus, the host PC must own the hard disk during tha ttime, so there's no point in it really. |
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| 11:13:08 | lostlogic | (that is even on targets where we use our own disk mode there's still no point) |
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| 11:14:43 | webguest50 | oh, thanks. I'm noticed my transfer times seem to be slower in rockbox, if that a known issue too? |
| 11:14:46 | amiconn | Hmm, now I don't manage to trigger the offset thing... :puzzled: |
| 11:16:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: its definitely there, I've gotten it to happen twice now... I'd actually been afraid I had some unsafe button sequences with rapid seek->skip or seek->stop presses. |
| 11:16:47 | amiconn | Yeah I know it's there. I was able to trigger it multiple times, and even managed to get an offset >1 once |
| 11:17:07 | amiconn | Just now I don't seem able to trigger it... |
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| 11:17:54 | lostlogic | weird :) |
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| 11:20:26 | lostlogic | hmph, I didn't realize I had outstanding changes when I went to sleep... |
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| 11:24:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: does it matter what track type you do the initial seek and the subsequent wrongness occurs in? |
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| 11:29:26 | amiconn | track type? Do you mean the format? |
| 11:29:58 | amiconn | I experienced it with mp3 (which is the format of 99% of my tracks) |
| 11:31:00 | crashd | what's the official stance on getting itunes drm'ed music playing on rockbox? |
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| 11:31:14 | crashd | i personally dont mind either way, i havent bought any music from itunes, but i was just wondering |
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| 11:32:28 | amiconn | I don't think that will be possible |
| 11:33:57 | Galois | it might even get rockbox sued, like DVD Jon |
| 11:34:17 | crashd | all those cases that keep getting thrown out ? ;) |
| 11:34:24 | crashd | im merely speaking theoretically |
| 11:34:57 | Galois | well with rockbox some of the devs are in the US, which is way harsher towards this kind of thing |
| 11:35:05 | HCl | *nods* |
| 11:35:07 | HCl | well |
| 11:35:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: Now I got an even more strange effect. I managed to trigger the wps offset. Then I left the track playing (real track 4, displayed track 3). After ~1 minute, it switched to playing the end of track 11, and then continued with track 12, all while still displaying track 3 (!!!) |
| 11:35:19 | HCl | the dmca allows getting around copyprotection for portability uses |
| 11:35:25 | crashd | Galois: yeah, but they can only sue individuals |
| 11:35:29 | crashd | and if it isnt an official patch |
| 11:35:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: filebufused got corrupted, and the buffer filled in circles, causing mass stupidity. |
| 11:35:51 | Galois | the letter of the dmca allows it, but the courts have ruled the other way anyway |
| 11:35:58 | HCl | mhm.. |
| 11:36:02 | Galois | the interoperability clause of the DMCA is a big joke |
| 11:36:06 | HCl | dmca is evil. |
| 11:36:31 | crashd | the dmca is a joke |
| 11:36:37 | crashd | you guys are getting screwed |
| 11:36:47 | linuxstb | crashd: Apart from the possible legal problems, I think a lot of people take the view that DRM is evil and we shouldn't encourage users to use it by implementing it in Rockbox. |
| 11:36:52 | lostlogic | amiconn: the filebufused variable wants to die, but I haven't come up with a good scheme for killing it quite yet. |
| 11:37:00 | Galois | their interpretation seems to be (as far as I can tell): by making rockbox (or DeCSS, or whatever) free software, you give the user extra rights that they didn't have before under the closed system |
| 11:37:03 | crashd | linuxstb: i take the same view, i was just musing really |
| 11:37:11 | Galois | therefore you are not protected by the interoperability excuse |
| 11:37:40 | lostlogic | doing tracks as a linked list and tracking the file buf's status based on where tracks adn their codecs start might be a solution to it. |
| 11:37:42 | HCl | linuxstb: nice one, i second that. |
| 11:38:30 | lostlogic | amiconn: I will try to reproduce that bug with logf. |
| 11:40:16 | * | amiconn now has an i2c driver for the PCF that adapts the delay to the cpu clock |
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| 11:41:21 | amiconn | Still not the gain I would expect to see, but it brings down cpu power consumption at 11MHz from 50% to 20% (polling main + remote buttons) |
| 11:41:44 | lostlogic | amiconn: quiet a step in the right direction, I bet it helps H3x0 battery consumption |
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| 11:50:57 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting. The PCF i2c pins in the H300 are shared with the serial eeprom i2c (which we don't use yet), and they are the same pins as for the seriall eeprom in the H1x0 |
| 11:51:23 | lostlogic | amiconn: your bug will only happen when the skip back would be on buffer, and it would wrap around the buffer, I think. |
| 11:52:08 | amiconn | So it should be possible to read the serial eeprom on H300 with no extra driver. Just a different device address... |
| 11:52:22 | * | amiconn is curious what's in there. |
| 11:53:02 | t0mas | some settings I guess? |
| 11:53:10 | t0mas | from the iriver fw? |
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| 11:53:24 | amiconn | lostlogic: Could the buffer wrap immediately after starting a track from stop state? |
| 11:53:31 | amiconn | t0mas: I guess so. |
| 11:53:53 | t0mas | maybe some free space |
| 11:53:57 | lostlogic | amiconn: blah, no I was wrong. I misread my log. Will be back with another wrong theory in a bit :-P |
| 11:54:13 | t0mas | that would allow us to dump the rockbox configuration sector there |
| 11:54:18 | t0mas | (how big is that atm?) |
| 11:54:21 | amiconn | lostlogic: Must be quite early morning at your place.. |
| 11:54:33 | lostlogic | yeah, I woke up at 4am for some reason. |
| 11:55:04 | amiconn | t0mas: The config sector is (as its name implies) a full disk sector, i.e. 512 bytes == 4096 bit |
| 11:55:07 | scorche | it is 4am here, and i have yet to go to sleep >_> |
| 11:55:11 | amiconn | We use half of it afaik |
| 11:55:32 | t0mas | amiconn: and how big is the iriver H1xx/H3xx eeprom? |
| 11:55:37 | amiconn | But rockbox has 2 settings parts, the first of which is rather small, and could be stored in the eeprom. |
| 11:56:05 | amiconn | This 2-part split is because the archos recorders have a 44-byte RAM in the RTC |
| 11:56:23 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 11:56:32 | t0mas | resume position might be handy to store in eeprom? |
| 11:56:36 | Ave | hm hey, so I copied files with -o utf8, file browser shows things incorrectly (ä missing) but playback screen shows em ok, default codepage is set to utf8, hm? |
| 11:56:42 | t0mas | as that would make it possible to shutdown without spinning up the disk |
| 11:57:46 | lostlogic | this bug is nealy unsolveable without linked lists of tracks, or heinous hacks. |
| 11:57:54 | lostlogic | looks like i'm writing linked lists of tracks today. |
| 11:58:35 | VoltageX | what is another basic thing i can try in a rockbox plugin? |
| 11:59:03 | scorche | VoltageX: heh...isnt this the 3rd time you have asked? |
| 11:59:15 | VoltageX | scorche: yes, and people ignored the noob |
| 11:59:43 | * | scorche gently pats VoltageX |
| 11:59:51 | * | VoltageX purrs |
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| 12:00:08 | * | scorche swells |
| 12:00:38 | lostlogic | hah! both tracks end up having the same buffer position, due to having been buffered at the same place, and currently we free all tracks on a rebuffer, so have no detection of tracks that have _really_ been debuffered... rofl lol *kicks playback* |
| 12:00:53 | VoltageX | scorche: apart from your swelling, do you have any ideas for me? |
| 12:01:05 | lostlogic | VoltageX: I wrote the dice plugin to learn to write plugins, try dice, or tick-tack-toe or something |
| 12:01:30 | VoltageX | dice sounds good |
| 12:01:39 | lostlogic | but that one's been done :-P |
| 12:01:47 | scorche | yahtzee! |
| 12:02:00 | VoltageX | lostlogic: you think of something then! |
| 12:02:08 | VoltageX | scorche: I'm not that good at c++ |
| 12:02:13 | lostlogic | VoltageX: this is C. |
| 12:02:21 | scorche | heh...beat me to it |
| 12:02:24 | lostlogic | don't speak the name of that evil language around here :) |
| 12:02:31 | _FireFly_ | c++ ;) |
| 12:02:35 | lostlogic | ahh, 5am logic. |
| 12:02:36 | VoltageX | lostlogic: oops |
| 12:02:38 | amiconn | c−−; |
| 12:02:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: thanks |
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| 12:03:03 | VoltageX | yeah, I'm not too good at that either |
| 12:03:16 | scorche | c++ has lured me a bit with its STLness though |
| 12:03:36 | _FireFly_ | scorche: nobody treats you to use STL ;) |
| 12:03:43 | lostlogic | the STL is a waste of brain power, IMO, but then I always prefer to write my own data structures so I know their guts. |
| 12:04:11 | Ave | I guess if I'll ever write a plugin I'll make a BMI calculator, simple enough.. |
| 12:04:34 | Ave | and optimum aerobic heart rate etc |
| 12:05:22 | VoltageX | Ave: bmi calc I could do |
| 12:05:49 | VoltageX | Ave: but there's already a good calculator |
| 12:06:00 | Ave | yeah as plain calculator |
| 12:06:17 | scorche | implementing pthreads correctly is one thing i have found to be a good exercise....but then again, i am still learning |
| 12:06:23 | VoltageX | bmi = height / weight^2 right? |
| 12:06:35 | Ave | hm annoying thing, if I uave usb connected and its charging (via menu-trick) and then I power down the ipod, and later power on, the damn thing goes to disk mode |
| 12:06:45 | Ave | cant the disk mode be avoided if you have usb plugged? |
| 12:07:26 | Ave | if I press menu, it loads apple instead, and if I wait until rb loads, it fails to see me pressing menu.. |
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| 12:08:35 | Ave | VoltageX: no its bmi = [kg] / [m]² |
| 12:10:07 | VoltageX | ok |
| 12:11:26 | Galois | Ave: I always just unplugged the ipod before turning it on again |
| 12:18:04 | Ave | yes thats the thing, BUT, it it breaks a charging cycle, will it harm the battery life? |
| 12:18:24 | Ave | as is known, li+ batteries dont have the ni* memory effect but rather, limited set of charge cycles |
| 12:18:33 | Galois | even the regular firmware has this problem, you can't sync up with the computer without a spurious charging cycle |
| 12:18:56 | Ave | that makes panda sad |
| 12:19:13 | Ave | even so, would it be possible to add 'menu' trick to rockbox start as well |
| 12:19:25 | Ave | just like the event handler when its running and you plug in |
| 12:19:36 | Galois | I've never bothered to worry about it. The charging cycle degredation is not as severe as you fear, if you care for the battery properly in other respects |
| 12:19:57 | Ave | ok fair enough |
| 12:20:21 | Galois | in my experience temperature kills more li-ion batteries than charging |
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| 12:20:38 | Galois | don't leave it in the car on a hot day, etc. |
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| 12:21:04 | Ave | I'm also wondering about moisture (electronics damage), if you keep the player near your skin etc, sometimes cellphone can be awfully wet when it sin pocket |
| 12:21:36 | Ave | I guess that'd be sweat rather than condensed water |
| 12:21:40 | Galois | not sure. The front and back are somewhat water resistant |
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| 12:23:21 | Ave | how do you know when the charging is done (in rb)? |
| 12:23:31 | Ave | apple sw changes the battery icon to reflect this |
| 12:23:55 | Galois | you don't get an animated charging icon do you? |
| 12:24:13 | Ave | not unless its in disk mode |
| 12:24:48 | linuxstb | Ave: Rockbox probably doesn't detect the charging status properly yet for the ipods - not much work has been done in that area so far. |
| 12:24:52 | Ave | if its charging and I'm playing a song the only thing I see is given wps bat indicator or status bar graph/text |
| 12:25:06 | Galois | well, it used to be possible to add #define HAVE_CHARGE_STATE in config-ipodnano.h and get charge status display |
| 12:25:38 | Galois | you need #define HAVE_CHARGING 1 and #define HAVE_CHARGE_STATE 1 |
| 12:25:42 | linuxstb | That's possibly just detecting the presence of a charger, rather than actual charging. |
| 12:25:52 | Galois | no, I tested it before |
| 12:25:58 | linuxstb | On which ipod? |
| 12:26:02 | Galois | nano 4GB |
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| 12:26:04 | Ave | where does the indication happen actually? |
| 12:26:11 | Ave | I can experiment with it sure |
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| 12:26:13 | Galois | it does the following, when the charger is connected, it displays a left-to-right filling up battery icon |
| 12:26:25 | Galois | and when the battery is charged, it displays a back-and-forth trickle charge animation |
| 12:26:34 | Galois | basically, you know, it does what it should |
| 12:26:41 | Ave | ah |
| 12:26:54 | Ave | hm well that warrants a compilation right there |
| 12:27:32 | Galois | I'm not sure if the current CVS code still works with those two defines |
| 12:27:44 | Galois | it was working, like, a month ago |
| 12:27:46 | Ave | fails to compile or fails to run? |
| 12:28:00 | Galois | oh it runs fine, it just doesn't animate the icon anymore |
| 12:28:10 | Galois | I think. Again, I'm not sure. I haven't tried recently. |
| 12:28:16 | Ave | I'll do it |
| 12:28:41 | Ave | so, in order to upgrade all you have to do is replace rockbox.ipod and reset? |
| 12:28:52 | Galois | both rockbox.ipod and .rockbox/ |
| 12:29:05 | Ave | sounds like I'll lose settings |
| 12:29:07 | Galois | if you type make zip, it builds a rockbox.zip file that you can just unzip in the ipod root |
| 12:29:26 | Galois | you don't lose settings, not _usually_ (sometimes you do if the CVS code changes the right magic things) |
| 12:29:32 | Galois | and you can save settings! |
| 12:29:39 | Ave | ah right, gotcha |
| 12:34:50 | infamis | MessageAll('MsgClientJoinTeam', '\c2%1 joined the %2 side', %this.name, |
| 12:35:01 | infamis | crap wrong window |
| 12:35:37 | lowesch | What area should i troubleshoot if rockbox fails to loads it's OS ? I have an iPod Nano. (It gives med the error: -2; Loading apple firmware) |
| 12:36:08 | lowesch | I followed the ipod linux installation guide, |
| 12:36:21 | Galois | dammit, I wrote most of that installation guide |
| 12:36:50 | Galois | you probably did the same mistake that Tim Lord (the slashdot article writer) did: mixed up one of the filenames for another |
| 12:37:02 | linuxstb | lowesch: Did you download the correct version of Rockbox? i.e. the Nano version, not another ipod version? |
| 12:37:02 | Galois | Ave: I just tested it against the CVS code, the left-to-right charging animation works |
| 12:37:09 | lowesch | linuxstb: yes i did |
| 12:37:25 | lowesch | linuxstb: but it said, building for 4g, ipod mini... |
| 12:37:29 | linuxstb | "-2" means the checksum doesn't match - which either means the rockbox.ipod file is corrupt, or is the wrong version. |
| 12:37:33 | Ave | yes I have a pulsating battery icon |
| 12:37:41 | Ave | however, my backlight seems to have died.. weird |
| 12:37:43 | lowesch | linuxstb: ok |
| 12:37:45 | Galois | I don't intend to charge it up to capacity, but I would expect the trickle charge animation to work too (only on the default WPS though, the other ones are inferior in this respect) |
| 12:37:50 | Galois | oh yeah you can fix that |
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| 12:38:15 | Galois | go to general settings, display, lcd settings, backlight while plugged in |
| 12:38:29 | lowesch | is the CVS from 0414 ok ? |
| 12:38:42 | lowesch | or should i take a older one. |
| 12:38:44 | Galois | Ave: I also had problems with Line Selector, so you might fix that too |
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| 12:39:00 | myth1 | hi everyone |
| 12:39:02 | Ave | yeah the line selector was reset to hm the not inverted one |
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| 12:39:15 | Galois | it looks like a one-time glitch |
| 12:39:18 | midkay | crap, it's Moos! |
| 12:39:21 | * | midkay runs to code |
| 12:39:31 | Moos | haha : D |
| 12:39:34 | Moos | Hello ! |
| 12:39:41 | midkay | morning :) |
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| 12:39:52 | midkay | don't check recent cvs commits until i say you can, k? :) |
| 12:40:06 | lowesch | I will try to to it all again and get back to you =) |
| 12:40:08 | myth1 | I need some help for 1st time install rockbox to the h320. I have downloaded the h300.hex, patched it and flashed it. I put all contents of the rockbox.zip into the root of the h320, but when I start, it just boots into the iriver firmware. did I miss something? |
| 12:40:30 | linuxstb | lowesch: Firstly, just try downloading a new "rockbox.zip" from the website and unzip that to your ipod. |
| 12:40:41 | Moos | midkay; hehe, k ; ) |
| 12:40:53 | Ave | Galois: ah great stuff, thanks |
| 12:41:09 | linuxstb | lowesch: I would be surprised if the bootloader installation is wrong - if it's displaying that message, it should mean it's working. |
| 12:41:09 | Ave | I was running cvs as of this morning tho, before this config change |
| 12:42:07 | lowesch | linuxstb: I remember, I think i screw it up yesterday (or this morning) gotta go restore it on my windows machine, then try again. I have no doubt that it will work then. |
| 12:42:08 | Ave | btw while using the ipod_fw tool the last phase can be misunderstood, even if I use -g nano the output doesnt mention nano at all! |
| 12:42:17 | Ave | creating <everything else> compatible ... |
| 12:43:21 | lowesch | but, one more question: is it "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 (zero or O) bootpartition.bin" here i se that it is 0 or ? |
| 12:43:32 | Galois | zero |
| 12:43:58 | lowesch | ok thank you. |
| 12:45:40 | lowesch | And ofcourse, thank you for one wonderful and interesting piece of software =) |
| 12:46:15 | midkay | linuxstb, do you know anything about the battery in various iPod models? |
| 12:46:23 | midkay | i can't find any mAh values anywhere. |
| 12:46:34 | midkay | i semi-remember hearing something around 450mAh.. |
| 12:47:21 | Ave | Galois: the debug battery info shows "battery: charged", however the status bar bat symbol is.. I must have misinterpreted it |
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| 12:47:30 | Galois | midkay http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html has everything except nano and 5g |
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| 12:47:34 | Ave | the trickle symbol is few pixels wide alternating white/grey? |
| 12:47:58 | Galois | the trickle symbol has two alternating images |
| 12:48:08 | Galois | the charging symbol goes through at least three images in a cycle |
| 12:48:14 | linuxstb | midkay: There's an ipod battery faq site on the web - ask Google. I think that has the mAh values for the different ipods. |
| 12:48:21 | Ave | check that. |
| 12:48:22 | amiconn | @ devs: would this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5052 considered an additional feature? I think it is, but then it would be nice to have in 3.0... |
| 12:49:40 | linuxstb | I'm relaxed about adding new features to plugins. I think it's only the core we need to be strict about. |
| 12:49:56 | midkay | Galois, thank you, very helpful :) |
| 12:50:08 | midkay | does anyone have any info as to the nano and 5G? that'd be good to have.. |
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| 13:05:09 | lostlogic | well I might have found a good reason that voice sucks. |
| 13:05:26 | petur | goodmorning lostlogic |
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| 13:05:42 | lostlogic | mornin' |
| 13:06:25 | crashd | hey lostlogic |
| 13:06:39 | petur | WPS indication is still wrong when fast skipping, but it's a bit better |
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| 13:07:58 | lostlogic | petur: don't worry, I promise it won't be working for a fair portion of today. I'm about to restructure the filebuf and turn tracks into linked lists instead of a fixed array, and lord knows that never breaks things. |
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| 13:08:23 | petur | have fun ;) |
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| 13:14:57 | Pi____ | Febs: remember your idea to have only the select button turn on backlight? |
| 13:15:29 | VoltageX | lostlogic: you still around? |
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| 13:16:08 | pussfeller | cvs is hanging on bootup for me |
| 13:16:33 | lostlogic | VoltageX: for the moment, probably going for a nap soon. |
| 13:16:42 | linuxstb | pussfeller: Try resetting your settings. Which player do you have? |
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| 13:16:47 | pussfeller | ipod |
| 13:16:51 | pussfeller | color photo |
| 13:16:51 | VoltageX | lostlogic: do you know anything about libdumb? |
| 13:17:02 | crashd | VoltageX: it needs work ;) |
| 13:17:15 | linuxstb | pussfeller: Immediately after you turn on your ipod, turn the hold switch on. |
| 13:17:24 | lostlogic | VoltageX: nope, sorry |
| 13:17:29 | VoltageX | crashd: does it run in any form on rockbox? |
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| 13:17:39 | VoltageX | lostlogic: ok |
| 13:17:40 | crashd | well, it's in cvs, but it doesnt do anything, afaik |
| 13:18:18 | VoltageX | crashd: unfortunately I don't know enough to make it work myself, and I really want tracker music |
| 13:18:21 | pussfeller | yup linuxstb that did it |
| 13:18:38 | crashd | VoltageX: yeah, don't we all, i imagine at some point it'll be integrated as a codec, but right now it does nothing |
| 13:18:49 | VoltageX | crashd: and it's not looking good, because the cvs is 4-12 months old in that directory |
| 13:19:16 | crashd | VoltageX: well, that just means no one has touched it, it doesnt mean there's anything wrong with the libdumb build in there. |
| 13:19:30 | crashd | i assume whatever changes were made to make it integer only can easily be done against a newer source |
| 13:19:36 | crashd | but, as ive said, there's no integration |
| 13:20:00 | VoltageX | crashd: do you know how to put it into the makefile so it gets built? |
| 13:20:25 | ep0ch | linuxstb: hi, i'd like to try SID out on my ipod, is there a patch around i can use? |
| 13:20:32 | mooch | to backup the ipod, a "dd if=/dev/sde of=backup.ipod" should be sufficient, right? |
| 13:20:56 | linuxstb | ep0ch: It should be on the patch tracker soon. |
| 13:21:17 | ep0ch | ah cool |
| 13:21:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:21:50 | linuxstb | mooch: Yes - but probably overkill. You really just need to backup the boot partition (/dev/sde1), and maybe the MBR (the first sector). |
| 13:22:12 | midkay | ep0ch / linuxstb - SID? |
| 13:22:26 | linuxstb | Yes, the author of "tinysid" has ported it to Rockbox. |
| 13:22:30 | crashd | SID, the c64 sound chip |
| 13:22:54 | VoltageX | linuxstb: ooh, first step for tracker music |
| 13:23:02 | midkay | ah, interesting.. |
| 13:23:05 | mooch | linuxstb: i want to backup my music too... dont want to have to transfer everything again... |
| 13:23:33 | linuxstb | mooch: If I was you, I would just backup your music by copying the contents of the FAT32 partition. But it's up to you. |
| 13:23:53 | mooch | linuxstb: the problem is that i need to "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/ipod" because the file system claims to be locked and is mounted read-only under linux |
| 13:24:02 | mooch | linuxstb: no fat32 here, but hfs+ |
| 13:24:30 | linuxstb | Have you tried rebooting your Linux PC? |
| 13:24:40 | mooch | linuxstb: copying the content will not work if once i clean the hard disk it still claims it can only be mounted read-only |
| 13:24:47 | mooch | linuxstb: me? |
| 13:24:51 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 13:24:56 | mooch | yup |
| 13:25:00 | mooch | several times |
| 13:25:13 | linuxstb | But if you just backup using "dd", then when you restore it, you will get an identical ipod. |
| 13:25:15 | mooch | i have tried mounting the ipod in several machines... |
| 13:25:16 | lostlogic | are there any codecs that do _not_ use the malloc buffer? |
| 13:25:43 | mooch | linuxstb: the problem is that once i clean it, i might have the problem that i cannot write to the disk under linux |
| 13:26:10 | mooch | linuxstb: so in that case, yes, I would like to restore it to the original state |
| 13:26:40 | linuxstb | Have you successfully written to the ipod in the past? IIUC, HFS+ write support is a relatively new Linux feature. |
| 13:27:02 | mooch | linuxstb: if once i rewrite the disk with /dev/null and then i can write, i can clean up the backup... i have all the music i need to put back |
| 13:27:30 | mooch | linuxstb: sure, but i unplugged once the ipod without unmounting it (i was in a rush) and after that it can only be written under macosx |
| 13:27:49 | mooch | well, must go to the radio program now... |
| 13:27:51 | mooch | bbl |
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| 13:30:50 | linuxstb | SID codec now on the patch tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5130 |
| 13:31:11 | ep0ch | wahoooo |
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| 13:32:43 | crashd | eurgh, why does cygwin lock directories so i cant delete them within either cygwin or windows |
| 13:32:46 | crashd | real pain in the ass |
| 13:33:03 | VoltageX | will I break my player if I force the fm frequency on rockbox waaay too low? |
| 13:33:06 | amiconn | Most often this is caused by explorer |
| 13:33:08 | Galois | what you're looking at is windows suckage, not cygwin per se |
| 13:33:16 | amiconn | (@ crashd) |
| 13:33:21 | crashd | hehe, see, that's what i thought |
| 13:33:36 | crashd | however, it's fudged the perms so badly, even after a reinstall of windwows 12 months down the line, i cant delete an old cygwin install directory |
| 13:33:46 | amiconn | crashd: There's a workaround that avoids restarting windows: |
| 13:33:47 | crashd | and ive tried all sorts of ntfs permissions stuff to make it deletable |
| 13:33:53 | crashd | nonon, re INSTALLING |
| 13:34:00 | crashd | i had to for various reasons a few weeks back |
| 13:34:00 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 13:34:25 | * | amiconn never reinstalled windows on his laptop |
| 13:34:52 | amiconn | This is still the original installation from Sony, >2.5 years back... |
| 13:34:59 | crashd | you're a lucky man |
| 13:35:21 | * | amiconn is playing around with tagcache on his archos recorder |
| 13:35:38 | VoltageX | ok, I feel like a real noob now, how do I apply patches to rockbox? |
| 13:36:08 | linuxstb | Patches are changes to the source code. So you need to set up a compiling environment to use them. |
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| 13:37:19 | VoltageX | linuxstb: I have cygwin + m68k-elf-gcc |
| 13:37:39 | crashd | VoltageX: do you have patch/diff utils from cygwin also? |
| 13:38:11 | VoltageX | crashd: yes |
| 13:38:26 | crashd | VoltageX: okay, well you just download the source tree, grab the .diff file from the patch tracker |
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| 13:38:38 | crashd | go into the rockbox-bleedingedge directory and do 'patch -p0 < sid_v1.diff' |
| 13:38:40 | crashd | or whatever |
| 13:38:59 | VoltageX | can I do multiple patches at once? |
| 13:39:08 | crashd | check the wiki, there's a page for 'dealing with patches' and 'compiling' |
| 13:39:21 | crashd | no, you'd have to do them seperately if you're just using 'patch' |
| 13:39:30 | VoltageX | ok |
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| 13:39:47 | crashd | linuxstb: is this diff'ed from the latest source tree? |
| 13:40:09 | VoltageX | hmm a bash script using something like "for *.diff in dir do" would work |
| 13:40:19 | VoltageX | or a python script :D |
| 13:40:40 | pussfeller | im getting a ton of lockups from the cvs |
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| 13:42:59 | amiconn | Slasheri: Tagcache works pretty well on archos. |
| 13:43:09 | amiconn | There's a bit of delay when browsing around, during which the search happens, but it's bearable (around a second). |
| 13:43:14 | midkay | anyone know the H300's battery capacity? |
| 13:43:22 | amiconn | Iirc this was also the case with the old tagdb |
| 13:43:34 | VoltageX | midkay: ads/manual says 16hrs |
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| 13:43:41 | VoltageX | midkay: I get 8 :( |
| 13:43:52 | amiconn | (but currently I can only see a fraction of my tracks, you know why ;) ) |
| 13:43:59 | midkay | VoltageX, haha. that's very sad and touching, but i'd like the capacity in mAh :) |
| 13:44:14 | VoltageX | oh |
| 13:44:21 | * | VoltageX looks at back of iriver |
| 13:44:26 | amiconn | midkay: Someone said 1400mAh |
| 13:44:40 | midkay | hmm. |
| 13:44:47 | amiconn | A bit more than H1x0 |
| 13:45:01 | VoltageX | doh it doesn't say |
| 13:45:06 | linuxstb | crashd: If you're talking about the SID patch, then I made the diff a couple of hours ago. It should apply cleanly. |
| 13:45:27 | crashd | well, the source tree ive got is from yesterday when i was toying with myth1's source build |
| 13:45:41 | amiconn | midkay: There's only one way to make sure: open a H300 and check |
| 13:45:43 | linuxstb | lostlogic made a change to the codec api - you need the latest CVS. |
| 13:45:44 | crashd | and it applies fine, but doesnt build, but i think that the source tree is a bit of a state |
| 13:45:49 | crashd | it'll have to wait |
| 13:45:52 | midkay | amiconn, you have an H300, right? >:) |
| 13:45:55 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:46:00 | ep0ch | yeah sid patch works well |
| 13:46:10 | amiconn | I probably will check this |
| 13:46:21 | ep0ch | i'm listening to 2nd reality as we speak :) |
| 13:46:27 | crashd | 2nd reality!!! :o |
| 13:46:31 | midkay | hmm.. i'll leave the range 1300-3200 for now i guess.. |
| 13:46:31 | crashd | the win |
| 13:46:34 | VoltageX | #!@$!! just got shocked by a usb cable |
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| 13:52:19 | marevalo | hi all |
| 13:52:35 | ashridah | VoltageX: yeah, it's funny how that works, ground loops and all that. |
| 13:52:40 | midkay | hey, marevalo - was hoping to catch you on irc :) |
| 13:52:43 | ashridah | what've you got your feet resting on? :) |
| 13:52:59 | marevalo | midkey: hi, I'm not quite an IRC guy at all ;-) |
| 13:53:27 | marevalo | midkay: I'm more pro-XMPP :-D |
| 13:53:33 | * | amiconn guesses marevalo popped in b/c of amiconn's latest commit |
| 13:53:46 | midkay | i created the necessary bitmaps for the vkeyboard for 320x240 LCDs a while ago, but then i realized possibly the plugin isn't your work :) |
| 13:53:49 | marevalo | amiconn: no problem for me |
| 13:54:01 | VoltageX | midkay: at the time, nothing, my feet were 10cm off the ground |
| 13:54:27 | marevalo | amiconn: just wondering what was the freeze policy about plugins |
| 13:54:35 | VoltageX | midkay: musta been touching a metal part of my wheelchair o.O |
| 13:54:43 | midkay | VoltageX, you mean ashridah :) |
| 13:54:57 | Slasheri | amiconn: nice, and now even chunked browsing seems to work quite seamlessly :) |
| 13:55:01 | VoltageX | uhh yea |
| 13:55:15 | VoltageX | I may have to go in search of coffee. |
| 13:55:16 | myth1 | bye everyone |
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| 13:56:04 | midkay | marevalo, were you involved in creating rockcalendar, or did you just write the wiki page, or what? |
| 13:56:18 | FutureCrash | hi all :) |
| 13:56:18 | midkay | or maybe you just updated it :) |
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| 13:56:42 | marevalo | midkay: nop, I just fixed the tracker link that was wrong |
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| 13:57:02 | midkay | oops, haha, sorry :) |
| 13:57:05 | amiconn | marevalo: I noticed only one temporary problem with the opening book addition: If you have a saved state from old chessbox, new chessbox with opening book gets confused |
| 13:57:06 | midkay | i hadn't seen it before.. |
| 13:57:23 | marevalo | amiconn: yep there are a couple of bugs there |
| 13:57:33 | amiconn | It doesn't crash, but displays wrong pieces, and some gfx trash. A simple reset fixes this |
| 13:57:40 | FutureCrash | I read that rockbox doesn't work on ipod g3 - are there any plans to get it working? |
| 13:57:45 | * | lostlogic looks around innocently I'd never change the API suddenly... |
| 13:58:29 | marevalo | amiconn: yep, I was thinking about adding some versioning to the save file, but don't really know as this is only useful for developer, what do you think? |
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| 14:00:09 | marevalo | so what is the freeze policy about plugins? I was going to start mark2 on chessbox (menus and a whole lot batch of new options) |
| 14:00:22 | amiconn | Well, it would protect users from ugly experiences like this. |
| 14:00:43 | arse_ | is todays daily build faulty, on nano i get no file, codec failure and illeagal instruction errors? |
| 14:00:49 | amiconn | The freeze policy for plugins is less strict than for the core |
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| 14:01:39 | marevalo | ok, and how about the Plugin Usability Guide, what do you think guys about it? |
| 14:02:11 | VoltageX | yay PUG |
| 14:02:16 | midkay | arse_, probably.. i think april 3 is the last "should-be-working" build since lostlogic started revamping the playback code... expect new bugs and fixes daily for a little while or just stick with that build, i think :) |
| 14:02:57 | midkay | marevalo, that looked good, i went through it as you noticed, but haven't checked it since your "last update".. which i'll probably do tomorrow :) |
| 14:02:57 | FutureCrash | hmm... so, noone tried rockbox on ipod g3 already? |
| 14:03:09 | midkay | FutureCrash, um, it either doesn't work or barely.. |
| 14:03:14 | arse_ | midkay: ok, i'll try that, thanks |
| 14:03:27 | midkay | arse_, np |
| 14:03:41 | marevalo | amiconn: maybe theli is not that happy with your CB commit: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5054 |
| 14:03:42 | FutureCrash | midkay I read that... I thought of trying it out and perhaps trying to get it working |
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| 14:04:23 | marevalo | amiconn: we ended with 3 diferent pieces for the Mini ;-) |
| 14:04:29 | midkay | FutureCrash, none of the dev team who are generally responsible for getting things like that working have an iPod 3G, but if you think you might be able to help, feel free to try :) |
| 14:05:12 | marevalo | midkay, ok, the real point is if the developers are ok with it, as many plugins would be "broken" with that guide in mind |
| 14:05:15 | FutureCrash | midkay I've not much experience in coding such things, but I think it would be an interesting thing to work on that :) |
| 14:05:44 | midkay | marevalo, well, depends on if you see it as a guide or actual rules :) |
| 14:06:36 | amiconn | marevalo: Ooops, overlooked this one... |
| 14:06:48 | midkay | it's quite a nice guide, but i don't think you have to be too strict on it or anything.. |
| 14:06:48 | amiconn | I swear I checked the tracker before... |
| 14:06:50 | marevalo | midkay: yep, the experience of having usability guides on projects like GNOME has been quite positive |
| 14:07:15 | midkay | FutureCrash, any progress is good progress, or something... whatever.. yes, help is very welcome. yeah. there. :) |
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| 14:07:40 | marevalo | midkay: and the status of the plugin-pool gives an image of been to disparate |
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| 14:08:13 | midkay | disparate? |
| 14:08:14 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 14:08:20 | marevalo | I would really like to have all the "base" plugins work in the same way |
| 14:08:29 | marevalo | midkay: different |
| 14:08:41 | midkay | marevalo, wow, i've never heard or seen that word before, thanks :) |
| 14:08:55 | marevalo | midkay: sorry, it's just my spanglish |
| 14:09:02 | FutureCrash | midkay yeah :) I'll look what I can do... I'll test tomorrow or so on my iPod and then decide what to do further |
| 14:09:05 | midkay | marevalo, well, it's a real word :) |
| 14:09:33 | midkay | FutureCrash, cool |
| 14:09:59 | marevalo | midkay, you know, it's the latin-english slang :-P |
| 14:10:13 | midkay | haha. :) |
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| 14:10:52 | FutureCrash | midkay yes, and I hope that I can get it working at last - I've so many music in other formats than mp3 or aac that I just need it ;) |
| 14:11:02 | marevalo | ok, I will fix chessbox before returning to the usability side |
| 14:11:15 | midkay | and i will fix usability before... um.. you return to it :) |
| 14:11:19 | midkay | ;) |
| 14:11:55 | midkay | FutureCrash, cool. i was under the impression that it wasn't working, but someone told me it in fact was, or used to.. so i'm not sure what's going on with it exactly. i'm pretty sure audio doesn't work even if you can manage to get it running.. |
| 14:12:13 | VoltageX | uhh what files are necessary for the sid codec to work? |
| 14:13:24 | ep0ch | .sid files? |
| 14:13:39 | midkay | haha. |
| 14:13:48 | VoltageX | ep0ch: Loading flashes up then disappears |
| 14:14:11 | ep0ch | and the patch applied cleanly? |
| 14:14:15 | FutureCrash | midkay could be that audio doesn't work, but I hope that there will be a possibility :) |
| 14:14:31 | midkay | FutureCrash, hm, good luck :) |
| 14:14:35 | midkay | and you'll *need* it :) |
| 14:14:55 | VoltageX | ep0ch: yes, no problems with the patch |
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| 14:15:11 | FutureCrash | thanks ;) |
| 14:15:11 | VoltageX | ep0ch: I only copied sid.codec to my player though |
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| 14:15:56 | ep0ch | VoltageX: oh i installed a full build |
| 14:16:45 | ep0ch | VoltageX: otherwise rockbox probably won't know how to associate .sid files with sid.codec |
| 14:17:29 | midkay | VoltageX, you definitely need rockbox.ipod/iriver/iaudio.. |
| 14:17:32 | VoltageX | when I do make tar, it's not including the full build |
| 14:17:43 | ep0ch | make zip |
| 14:17:59 | VoltageX | ep0ch: cygwin's zip utility has screwed itself over |
| 14:19:00 | VoltageX | ah, got it |
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| 14:23:08 | arse_ | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb2) doh |
| 14:23:26 | arse_ | i'll never get this to work :/ |
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| 14:27:23 | linuxstb_ | ep0ch: Are sub-songs currently played by the SID codec? I don't know much about SID. |
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| 14:29:01 | lowesch | Hello again, I just wanted to say that i got it working on the iPod Nano. And thanks for the application, it looks awesome :) |
| 14:30:17 | arse_ | lucky bastard :P |
| 14:30:23 | lowesch | hehe |
| 14:30:49 | lowesch | arse_: by working, i mean it booted |
| 14:31:28 | VoltageX | oops! rockbox crashed |
| 14:33:26 | arse_ | just had to restore my nano, maybe on the second time... |
| 14:33:46 | amiconn | Wee, nice! Jusat noticed that the bleeding edge builds appear as they're built now :) |
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| 14:34:45 | VoltageX | amiconn: you mean more bleeding edge than the build that just crashed my player? |
| 14:34:59 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 14:35:20 | amiconn | I mean that the builds are added one-by-one here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 14:35:36 | amiconn | They used to be available only after the whole build cycle completed |
| 14:36:17 | ep0ch | linuxstb: yeah i think the sid codec does traverse through the subsongs automatically, but there should be a way of manually selecting each one |
| 14:36:49 | linuxstb_ | That will be the same problem as chapters in .m4a files, chained Ogg files, FLAC files with embedded cuesheets.... |
| 14:36:57 | Jungti1234 | hmm I have idea |
| 14:37:03 | amiconn | cuesh*ts |
| 14:37:12 | VoltageX | now I can have http://www.hvsc.c64.org/ on my iriver |
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| 14:40:14 | Jungti1234 | Why is WPS included to build which don't fit in target? |
| 14:40:50 | linuxstb_ | I think Cassandra was working on changing that. |
| 14:41:10 | Jungti1234 | => Some WPS is included to build of target that isn't right. What is reason? |
| 14:42:05 | Jungti1234 | I think that can be included that it fits in target like plugin. |
| 14:42:08 | amiconn | midkay: Imho there should also be a BATTERY_CAPACITY_DEFAULT for each target. Default is not always equal to minimum |
| 14:43:39 | midkay | amiconn, correct, that's what i was planning for tomorrow, but i kind of need to get to bed :) i didn't feel like hunting down the default capacities and inserting them for each model, but i'll definitely do it tomorrow morning if someone else hasn't jumped on it since then.. |
| 14:44:39 | VoltageX | all I need now is libdumb and rockbox is all i need |
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| 14:47:12 | arse_ | midkay: big thanks, it now works and plays my oggs perfectly |
| 14:47:44 | lowesch | the interface looks kinda screwed up when playing music... anyone know any fix ? |
| 14:47:52 | midkay | arse_, good :) |
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| 14:48:00 | XavierGr | [15:35] ,03amiconn,99: They used to be available only after the whole build cycle completed,99 <- amiconn: I remember that this was done many days before. |
| 14:48:16 | VoltageX | lowesch: define "screwed up" |
| 14:48:32 | amiconn | XavierGr: Maybe, but I only noticed it today |
| 14:48:41 | thouters | VoltageX: what is libdumb? |
| 14:48:55 | VoltageX | thouters: tracker music codec |
| 14:49:00 | lowesch | VoltageX: the progressbar lies ontop of the artist - title area |
| 14:49:28 | midkay | amiconn, do you know why the battery stuff in the config files is defined within #ifndef SIMULATOR? |
| 14:49:59 | lowesch | and I see a box that I suppose should be centered, but it's placed to the left |
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| 14:51:01 | VoltageX | lowesch: what player? |
| 14:51:38 | linuxstb_ | lowesch: You are probably just using a WPS not designed for your player. Or you need to use a different font. |
| 14:51:50 | lowesch | linuxstb_: ah ok. |
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| 14:51:56 | lowesch | i have the ipod nano. |
| 14:52:28 | linuxstb_ | That's the reason then. Very few WPS authors have offered their work for inclusion in Rockbox CVS. |
| 14:52:48 | linuxstb_ | But the WpsGallery wiki page has some. |
| 14:53:23 | lowesch | I'll check it out. |
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| 14:53:47 | * | Pi___ grumbles about coding menues |
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| 14:55:37 | Pi___ | I cant see what is wrong with my patch www.see.ed.ac.uk/~s0453136/triggerbutton.patch |
| 14:56:31 | midkay | amiconn or linuxstb - is there any reason that battery type is defined within ifndef SIMULATOR?.. can that be moved out or what? |
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| 14:57:35 | bluefoxicy | aha! |
| 14:57:46 | * | bluefoxicy kept joining #rockbox on furnet and wondering why nobody was there! |
| 14:58:22 | bluefoxicy | on iPod 5gen rockbox doesn't seem to read the iTunesDB |
| 14:58:23 | warthawg | lowesch, the amprocknanoblue wps is nice |
| 14:58:53 | lowesch | warthawg: yeah they're all looking nice =) |
| 14:59:12 | Russss | hi, anyone fancy talking about Audioscrobbler support? :) |
| 14:59:17 | * | warthawg licks his rockbox nano |
| 14:59:28 | lowesch | warthawg: kinky! |
| 14:59:35 | bluefoxicy | heh |
| 14:59:44 | lowesch | i just unzip a wps in the .rockbox/wps dir ? |
| 14:59:45 | warthawg | please note, it's not our first date |
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| 15:00:01 | * | bluefoxicy would do worse on the first date |
| 15:00:08 | warthawg | no browse for it, play it, its installed |
| 15:00:36 | lowesch | can it still be zipped or ? |
| 15:00:47 | warthawg | i think it is general settings -> display -> browse .wps |
| 15:01:58 | * | Russss will ramble on anyway |
| 15:02:30 | Russss | I work for last.fm, we've just come up with a standard log file which portable players can use to log plays |
| 15:02:30 | warthawg | lowesch, did you download one that wasn't included? if so, i haven't done that, but i would assume the procedure would be to unzip it into .rockbox/wps |
| 15:02:35 | Russss | http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging |
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| 15:02:45 | Russss | our new client will read this file and submit the data to last.fm |
| 15:02:49 | warthawg | Russss, is that cool? |
| 15:03:21 | Russss | it would be rather nice if rockbox could read this |
| 15:03:31 | Russss | possibly nice enough for me to buy a new ipod |
| 15:03:35 | warthawg | heh |
| 15:04:20 | ep0ch | VoltageX: The HVSC won't work with dircache, there's way too many files!! |
| 15:04:45 | VoltageX | ep0ch: split it up |
| 15:06:31 | ashridah | Russss: unfortunately, rockbox is in feature freeze, so a feature like that might take a while to get into cvs. that doesn't mean it can't be developed. there's a (broken admittedly) runtime stats capturing engine in rockbox already |
| 15:07:02 | Jungti1234 | http://www.chitsol.com/images/news/q.jpg |
| 15:07:03 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
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| 15:07:11 | Russss | ok fine, we're in no hurry because our client software is a month or two away from release anyway |
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| 15:07:37 | Russss | I could be tempted to buy a new player and implement it myself. Maybe I can charge that as an expense. |
| 15:07:41 | Russss | heh |
| 15:08:07 | Jungti1234 | http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200604/kt2006041317503911780.htm |
| 15:08:43 | ashridah | Russss: it's probably possible to build it using the simulators |
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| 15:09:25 | bluefoxicy | will rockbox play videos on Ipod 5G? |
| 15:09:38 | midkay | bluefoxicy, no. |
| 15:09:44 | petur | I'm learning m68k asm the hard way, can somebody explain me what this does? http://pastebin.com/661390 |
| 15:09:58 | bluefoxicy | midkay: planned feature? |
| 15:09:59 | lowesch | I like the "Debug (keep out)" entry =) |
| 15:10:18 | * | bluefoxicy is also interested in it reading the itunesdb |
| 15:10:49 | midkay | bluefoxicy, not in the near future, no, not planned.. |
| 15:11:00 | midkay | and, rockbox has its own tag database.. tagcache. |
| 15:11:35 | bluefoxicy | yeah but when switching between proprietary player firmware and rockbox, sometimes it's nice to have access at hand... ipod files are random filenames |
| 15:12:31 | bluefoxicy | wow |
| 15:12:35 | bluefoxicy | you guys wrote your own kernel? |
| 15:13:15 | crwl | bluefoxicy, tagcache will find those itunes-written randomly named files |
| 15:13:26 | warthawg | it is one of the best kernels i have never helped write |
| 15:13:34 | midkay | if you could call it that.. rockbox is coded from scratch, save for the codecs and a few low level ipod hardware things.. |
| 15:13:45 | * | bluefoxicy would have figured someone would use netbsd, freebsd, or Linux with all the hardware-specific stuff and drivers stripped out. Then again that leaves you with implementations of memcpy() and strcpy() ;) |
| 15:13:54 | bluefoxicy | ah, must be very simple hardware |
| 15:14:15 | ashridah | bluefoxicy: given that rockbox was originally written for the archos, using a unix kernel would easily have been excessive |
| 15:14:41 | midkay | bed for midkay! :) night all.. |
| 15:14:45 | bluefoxicy | woot flac |
| 15:14:56 | ashridah | it was then ported to the iriver, where the software codecs were added, along with a bunch of other dsp features, then the H3xx, ipod and iaudio ports followed. |
| 15:15:29 | bluefoxicy | ah |
| 15:15:30 | warthawg | later midkay |
| 15:16:49 | * | warthawg notes the new oral tradition of the Internet |
| 15:16:56 | * | qwm hugs Russss with warmth, love, and midkay |
| 15:17:09 | thouters | playing uncompressed avi like ipodlinux would be cool |
| 15:17:17 | bluefoxicy | so what about the artist/album browser like in iPod, a better shuffle (i.e. rhythmbox's shuffle code!) than what iPod has, etc |
| 15:17:53 | thouters | bluefoxicy: nobody says you can't hack those features up for yourself ;-) |
| 15:18:07 | thouters | well, except maybe your skills |
| 15:18:13 | bluefoxicy | yeh lack of skill |
| 15:18:29 | ashridah | bluefoxicy: all of those features exist already |
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| 15:18:45 | bluefoxicy | ashridah: cool. Then I will have to tinker with this a bit |
| 15:18:46 | thouters | bluefoxicy: did you take a look at tagcache |
| 15:18:51 | ashridah | shuffle is already truely random (well, as random as any turing machine can manage, ie, pseudorandom) |
| 15:18:58 | bluefoxicy | thouters: not sure what tagcache is |
| 15:19:06 | ashridah | as for album/artist, put the file view into ID3 mode |
| 15:19:18 | bluefoxicy | ashridah: rhythmbox lets you rate things like in itunes, and weights itself based on the rating |
| 15:19:21 | ashridah | (hold down the menu button so the quickmenu pops up, then use (iirc) down to change the view) |
| 15:19:31 | ashridah | ah, can't do that yet, we haven't got a working runtime database |
| 15:19:35 | ashridah | it needs fixing |
| 15:19:38 | * | ashridah looks at HCl |
| 15:19:45 | bluefoxicy | itunes and ipod both just take the files and randomize the playlist order |
| 15:19:51 | bluefoxicy | so they play every file 1 time each time through |
| 15:20:25 | bluefoxicy | which means that you have a 1/n chance to play any given song first, 1/(n-1) for any of the remaining second, etc. |
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| 15:21:01 | MrBIOS-slabby | hi folks |
| 15:21:15 | bluefoxicy | A real random playlist has 1/n for each song each time, while the weighted algorithm like in rhythmbox is less likely to play lower rated songs but is otherwise random. :) |
| 15:21:16 | MrBIOS-slabby | I'm wondering if anyone can tell me the status of the non-working parts of the iPod 3G port? |
| 15:21:30 | bluefoxicy | which I like a lot |
| 15:21:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:21:45 | ashridah | MrBIOS-slabby: they're not working |
| 15:22:36 | thouters | bluefoxicy: are you a rhythmbox hacker or do you folow development? |
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| 15:25:23 | ashridah | MrBIOS-slabby: seriously tho, there should be a description of what is/isn't working on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 15:25:26 | thouters | mmm, what tool can you use in linux to change a fat label? |
| 15:25:55 | ashridah | look at the IPodStatus link |
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| 15:26:49 | sketcher | hallo :-) |
| 15:27:31 | sketcher | does anybody know how to install themes on rockbox? |
| 15:28:23 | ashridah | the wps goes into .rockbox/wps and the theme config goes into .rockbox/themes |
| 15:28:36 | * | Pi___ jumps around happy thinking he has found his bug |
| 15:28:36 | MrBIOS-slabby | ashridah: there's NOT. That's why I came here |
| 15:28:43 | MrBIOS-slabby | I read that page first |
| 15:28:48 | sketcher | thx i'll try that |
| 15:28:50 | ashridah | MrBIOS-slabby: there is. the bootloader works. nothing else does. :) |
| 15:29:02 | MrBIOS-slabby | it doesn't say that |
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| 15:29:51 | ashridah | iPod Daily Builds? Status |
| 15:29:52 | Gena | hey guys |
| 15:29:52 | ashridah | 3G Port is being actively developed - bootloader is working, but Rockbox itself is not yet functional. |
| 15:30:30 | Gena | are there any x5 developers here at the moment? |
| 15:30:37 | ashridah | MrBIOS-slabby: there might be more info on the rockbox forums tho |
| 15:30:48 | ashridah | i haven't seen any 3g specific stuff mentioned here, but that's hardly conclusive |
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| 15:32:32 | petur | amiconn? |
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| 15:35:11 | VoltageX | is there any risk of bricking my player if I tell rockbox its fm module can go down to 1mhz? |
| 15:35:26 | | Join slink87 [0] (n=slinkzor@219.90.242.173) |
| 15:35:40 | slink87 | you guys are awesome, wicked job with rockbox |
| 15:35:41 | slink87 | <3 it |
| 15:35:58 | slink87 | OH its awesome |
| 15:36:07 | slink87 | sure to impress chicks at work |
| 15:36:14 | slink87 | "OH! you have a custom firmware on your ipod |
| 15:36:18 | VoltageX | lol |
| 15:36:19 | slink87 | sleep with me!" |
| 15:36:32 | VoltageX | that should be the channel tpic |
| 15:36:48 | VoltageX | RockBox - Sure to impress the chicks at work. |
| 15:36:49 | petur | VoltageX: don't think so, check the code and the datasheet to verify what it will write... I can tell you it won't be what you expect ;) |
| 15:37:15 | petur | VoltageX: that was of course about the fm module |
| 15:37:33 | VoltageX | petur: i know the iriver tuner supports down to at least 76mhz |
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| 15:39:37 | VoltageX | anyways, bed time now |
| 15:39:42 | | Quit VoltageX () |
| 15:41:10 | piroko | tagcache runs automatically now? |
| 15:41:22 | piroko | i didn't do a force update |
| 15:41:43 | petur | it always does |
| 15:41:58 | piroko | ah. i'm just not used to it working ;) |
| 15:42:06 | petur | I think if dircache is on |
| 15:42:41 | * | petur won't use it until the virtual folder arrives :D |
| 15:43:19 | piroko | and dircache is on by default now |
| 15:44:00 | thouters | would be nice to have an 'All' entry in the id3 tag browser (like give me all files by Foobartheband) |
| 15:46:55 | linuxstb | midkay: I believe things are defined in the config files under #ifndef SIMULATOR if they are not implemented in the simulator. Things such as CPU emulation, low-level battery emulation etc. If you move #defines out of that section, you will most likely break the sim. |
| 15:48:07 | * | petur learns some coldfire asm and understand the code even less :( |
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| 15:49:02 | Rob2222 | hmm, i have a problem. My H300 stock battery (1400mAh) got 12,5h rockbox runtime (rockbox version build anywhen in january). Now I have a cheap 2200mAh battery again and now i got 11,5h. :( Is that battery sooo bad or is rockbox needing more power .... |
| 15:49:48 | petur | Rob2222: to be sure, try again with a january build? |
| 15:50:00 | piroko | who manages the sudoku plugin? |
| 15:50:44 | Rob2222 | petur: how to get? |
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| 15:52:15 | petur | Rob2222: daily builds -> older |
| 15:52:45 | Rob2222 | ah ok |
| 15:52:46 | Rob2222 | thx |
| 15:53:26 | Rob2222 | but there is no january version |
| 15:53:27 | Rob2222 | ^^ |
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| 15:54:25 | Rob2222 | can i get the cvs sources from2006-01-19 |
| 15:54:27 | Rob2222 | ? |
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| 15:55:40 | Russss | hmm, apparently this box doesn't have enough cpu power to play mp3s in realtime using the simulator, heh |
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| 15:56:55 | Russss | the model of player I configured it for shouldn't affect that should it? |
| 15:57:23 | Russss | this pc does suck amazingly, apple have stolen my powerbook from me. |
| 15:57:34 | Slasheri | amiconn: real chunked browsing support committed, please try =) |
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| 16:00:39 | piroko | would it help anyone at all to enable "gather runtime data" and give the data to someone? |
| 16:01:04 | Slasheri | piroko: no, that feature doesn't work at the moment |
| 16:01:19 | piroko | ah ok. is there anything that can be done to aid in battery calibration? |
| 16:01:58 | Slasheri | that "gather runtime data" is entirely different thing.. it will be redesigned for the tagcache soon |
| 16:02:06 | Slasheri | try battery_bench plugin |
| 16:02:20 | Slasheri | it will generate a benchmark file in the player root directory |
| 16:02:50 | piroko | i should probably run it from a full charge and let it drain while playing then, right? |
| 16:03:26 | Slasheri | yes, you should put the player in repeat mode to play same bitrate and same format files continuosly |
| 16:03:30 | Rob2222|Laptop | btw, does anybody want a battery bench from ipod video for the battery calibration? |
| 16:03:35 | Slasheri | and you shouldn't touch the player until it shut off |
| 16:04:13 | piroko | ouch. we trying to gather data for all kinds of different formats/bitrates? |
| 16:04:52 | Slasheri | piroko: well, for battery calibration the bitrate doesn't matter as long as it wont change between the songs played |
| 16:04:53 | piroko | all my stuff is either mp3 vbr or ogg, obviously vbr. |
| 16:04:59 | piroko | oh ok |
| 16:05:17 | Slasheri | cbr mp3s could be even more accurate |
| 16:05:22 | piroko | so in other words, charge the player, run the benchmark, play one song continuously till it dies |
| 16:05:26 | Slasheri | but i think vbr should do it too |
| 16:05:49 | piroko | or an album looped with a bunch of say 192kbps mp3s |
| 16:05:57 | Slasheri | you could also play a whole folder continuosly (it will drain battery little faster) |
| 16:06:08 | piroko | and then who do I give this data to? |
| 16:06:18 | Slasheri | but playing one song is also enough, and should give more accurate results |
| 16:06:28 | Slasheri | it will just take longer before the battery dies |
| 16:06:38 | Slasheri | piroko: you could upload it to the wikiä |
| 16:06:42 | Slasheri | -ä |
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| 16:07:37 | piroko | where in the code is the actual runtime calculated for the ipods? if I collected valid data, is there anything I can do to fine tune the battery life estimation? |
| 16:08:10 | Slasheri | yes, you can find the calibrated values in firmware/powermngt.c |
| 16:08:17 | piroko | awesome. thank you |
| 16:08:20 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 16:33:36 | Ave | interesting stuff, this battery drain estimation |
| 16:37:06 | Gena | does anyone know what's holding down the development of the dual-boot for iaudio? |
| 16:38:48 | Moos | Gena: there was planning by the dev working on iaudio (LinusN), but surely isn't much priority since we are on feature freeze, and fix current bugs for all targets as possible is the main goal |
| 16:39:49 | Moos | but dual-boot will happen for sure |
| 16:40:18 | Gena | i see... the feature freeze is for an upcoming major version? |
| 16:41:02 | Moos | 3.0 release one, planed for 1erMay if all is well |
| 16:42:02 | Gena | oh... |
| 16:42:25 | Moos | for archos, iriver only |
| 16:42:48 | Moos | 3.1 will include iaudio if all happen goos too |
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| 16:43:24 | Moos | *god |
| 16:43:24 | Gena | so what's the point of a feature freeze on the iaudio? |
| 16:43:26 | Moos | good |
| 16:43:42 | Moos | feature freeze for *Rockbox* ; ) |
| 16:44:10 | Gena | hmm... |
| 16:44:39 | Moos | new feature can potentially come with new bugs, then if you want to hunt the current bugs, better to not creates new ones |
| 16:45:18 | Ave | mh as if CONFIG_BATTERY is not defined for ipod nano? |
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| 16:47:04 | Gena | does that mean that even if hypothetically i implement the dual-boot, it wont be included? |
| 16:47:13 | Moos | Ave: maybe midkay didn't know the values for nano, I' remebering he was sopken about something, check irc logs |
| 16:47:53 | Ave | ipod config defines something for 1300 mAh but its not that variable |
| 16:48:25 | Ave | if its this easy to get proper battery estimation working I'm sure gonna do it, what you guys discussed earlier running the benchmark |
| 16:48:47 | _FireFly_ | Gena: it will be included after the feature-freeze has ended(if the code gets accept) |
| 16:49:15 | Moos | Gena: new ports things are'nt considered like new features, but there is only *one* guy working/worked on the bootloader front (LinusN), a,d he seems to be busy and X5 probably isn't prioritary issue... |
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| 16:50:31 | Moos | Gena: don't worries that will happen in a soon futur |
| 16:50:33 | punkrockguy318 | Hello all :) |
| 16:50:41 | Moos | Hi |
| 16:51:03 | punkrockguy318 | I just installed rockbox on my ipod 5g, it's a really cool project! :) |
| 16:51:12 | Moos | hehe indeed ; ) |
| 16:51:23 | Ave | yeah, I just installed it into mine today |
| 16:51:30 | punkrockguy318 | i'm going to take a look at the source and start hacking away on it |
| 16:51:36 | Moos | every day new users ! |
| 16:51:37 | Ave | but imagine this, I learned about rockbox before it was in slashdot.. |
| 16:51:56 | punkrockguy318 | hmm |
| 16:52:18 | punkrockguy318 | i skimmed over the page before the /.ing, but it didn't even have sound support for the ipod, so i didn't check it out |
| 16:53:10 | Ave | I guess the ipod support has been progressing huge leaps lately |
| 16:53:55 | punkrockguy318 | yeah, it's not bad |
| 16:54:19 | Ave | very very impressive all in all, gotta admit |
| 16:54:25 | punkrockguy318 | yeah |
| 16:54:54 | punkrockguy318 | i don't think it'll be ready for world domination for a while, but... doesn't mean i won't use it :) |
| 16:55:13 | punkrockguy318 | i love open source! now, i can just hack away on it and improve it to my liking :) |
| 16:55:35 | Ave | to me it looks like theres only couple things missing like, apple-cute theme out of the box, and more optimized decoders |
| 16:55:51 | Ave | I got one han, so maybe some stability fixes too |
| 16:55:54 | Ave | hang |
| 16:55:55 | punkrockguy318 | i really seem to prefer rockbox over ipl |
| 16:56:05 | punkrockguy318 | Ave: yeah, i get hangs every once and a while as well |
| 16:56:15 | Ave | like someone says, rockbox continues where ipl leaves |
| 16:56:26 | Ave | ipl sure looks like apple firmware |
| 16:56:36 | ashridah | you can blame current playback engine rewrites for that. |
| 16:56:41 | punkrockguy318 | ipl looks like the 2g firmware |
| 16:56:52 | ashridah | if you can, you might want to go back a few weeks in CVS, audio was a bit more stable then |
| 16:57:16 | Ave | nah, on ehang in a day isnt all that bad as long as it doesnt wreck the data |
| 16:57:29 | punkrockguy318 | yeah |
| 16:57:42 | Ave | I'm ready to bleed for the edge |
| 16:58:10 | punkrockguy318 | i wonder what it would take to get a iTunesDB support.. there's a libgpod that deals with it already |
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| 16:58:43 | Ave | would it matter? you cant exactly play back apple drm files anyhow |
| 16:59:10 | Ave | and when you have mass storage file transfers why would you use itms |
| 16:59:38 | punkrockguy318 | i guess your right |
| 16:59:52 | Ave | but eh I have seen some talk about this in the wiki |
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| 17:00:08 | punkrockguy318 | before rhythmbox i had been using gtkpod on linux, and just transferring all my mp3s from my CDs |
| 17:00:17 | punkrockguy318 | rockbox* excuse me :) |
| 17:00:21 | Moos | Rockbox Wiki is really full of informations |
| 17:00:40 | linuxstb | There is a plugin on the patch tracker that reads playlists from the itunesdb. The author of that plugin seemed to be interested in further itunesdb support, but I don't think he's published anything. |
| 17:01:41 | linuxstb | But itunesdb support is useless for a) All Rockbox users who don't run it on ipods; b) Rockbox users who use file formats not supported by itunes - FLAC, Vorbis, Wavpack, AC3, Shorten, ... |
| 17:01:41 | punkrockguy318 | i'll have to check that out |
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| 17:02:52 | punkrockguy318 | i personally don't care for the way itunes synchs things.. having to use a certain program to put media on my media player.. itunes just randomly puts songs in random folders with random file names... it's not very elegant :-\ |
| 17:03:09 | Ave | for a reason you know |
| 17:03:23 | Ave | get away evil freedom fighter hackers! |
| 17:03:26 | Ave | vade retro satana |
| 17:03:42 | punkrockguy318 | :) hehe. gtkpod has been actually working quite nicely, ugly as it is. |
| 17:04:19 | punkrockguy318 | but I would so much rather be able to do it through bash/nautilus/explorer/whatever. |
| 17:04:22 | Ave | I really wonder ho wlong apple will look at this and put some obstructions in |
| 17:04:47 | Moos | Apple can't ; ) |
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| 17:04:48 | spitball | the tag database thing doesn't seem to be working on my h120 :( |
| 17:05:05 | Ave | if I connect ipod into ubuntu it'll launch rhythmbox, but equally well you can run nautilus |
| 17:05:09 | spitball | anybody know why? when i force the update the hd light stays om for a bit then stops |
| 17:05:13 | mirak | hey |
| 17:05:17 | spitball | on* |
| 17:05:23 | Moos | Salut mirak ! |
| 17:05:31 | mirak | the H300 pad can't do up and left at the same time on doom ? |
| 17:06:12 | Moos | mirak: maybe like h1xx you can't press simulatenly 2 buttons, just guessing |
| 17:06:24 | punkrockguy318 | Ah, the wonderful world of C. It's been a long time since I've done see, I've been spoiled by python |
| 17:06:28 | Moos | hardware limitations |
| 17:06:35 | punkrockguy318 | see -> C. Wow, it's early |
| 17:07:04 | mirak | Moos: well you can press mode plus the another key |
| 17:07:16 | mirak | but for the directional pad seems no feasible :/ |
| 17:07:21 | Ave | punkrockguy318: too bad, I've been doing ruby for years (and now rails too), going back to low level language is like.. torture |
| 17:07:35 | punkrockguy318 | Ave: yeah, really :( |
| 17:07:44 | Moos | (mirak: c'est ce que je voulais dire) |
| 17:07:51 | Ave | the housekeeping really hurts and every stupid trivial thing you get for free |
| 17:08:23 | spitball | does anybody know why i cant browse by id3 tags? i forced the tag update but nothing shows up when i vew in the database mode thing |
| 17:08:26 | mirak | mooch: ah |
| 17:08:50 | Moos | on the pad canot press 2 keys same time |
| 17:08:56 | Moos | in h1xx that is |
| 17:09:07 | amar | spitball: did you restart? |
| 17:09:10 | punkrockguy318 | mirak: Francais? J'adore la glace bleu! Salut :) |
| 17:09:52 | obo | Russss: I had a patch to spit out a plain text log for scrobbler - I'll see what I can come up with |
| 17:09:59 | Russss | cool |
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| 17:11:01 | Moos | mirak: still on the video front? :P |
| 17:11:27 | mirak | Moos: well after seeing doom running quiet smoothly on the screen, I am interested to have video again |
| 17:11:29 | punkrockguy318 | I'm reading over the developer FAQ and I'm a little unclear, can I use just gcc 4.0.2 to compile for the ipod? |
| 17:11:40 | Moos | mirak: hehe : ) |
| 17:11:45 | Russss | obo, we're working directly with some player manufacturers to integrate this into their players, so it should be pretty cool |
| 17:12:05 | obo | Russss: excellent :) |
| 17:12:11 | mirak | Moos: also after seeing video on the gmini archos |
| 17:12:13 | Moos | mirak: IIRC austriancoder begun something with libtheora: did you checked? |
| 17:12:18 | Moos | : ) |
| 17:12:22 | obo | Russss: how will it handle devices without a RTC? |
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| 17:12:32 | punkrockguy318 | Russss: So would rockbox be the default firmware on these players? |
| 17:12:37 | mirak | Moos: no, but theora is probably very consumming also |
| 17:12:54 | Moos | yep, ogg... :( |
| 17:13:21 | obo | Russss: ah, just read on a bit further |
| 17:13:30 | Russss | everything is optional |
| 17:13:51 | Russss | I dunno exactly what we'll do with non-timed entries, because our system depends on timestamps for everything |
| 17:14:01 | Moos | mirak: did you perform stats yet for see which one will bes the faster...? |
| 17:14:11 | | Part mooch ("reboot") |
| 17:14:25 | Russss | punkrockguy318, nah, it's just a standard log format for playing data reporting |
| 17:14:39 | Moos | uh there was one mooch? : ) |
| 17:14:56 | obo | Russss: other problem is that rockbox doesn't have a mktime() function - but can provide a tm struct.... |
| 17:14:58 | thouters | mmm, is there a tune2fs for fat32 which I can use to change the volume label? |
| 17:15:10 | mirak | Moos: no |
| 17:15:20 | Moos | mirak: pm for french ;) |
| 17:15:29 | mirak | Moos: in thoery it's mpeg4 > mpeg2 > mpeg1 |
| 17:15:38 | Moos | k |
| 17:16:18 | Ave | punkrockguy318: I used gcc 4.0.2 just as the doc instructed, no problems |
| 17:16:29 | Ave | punkrockguy318: but it must be an arm cross compiler |
| 17:16:35 | Russss | hmm, interesting point |
| 17:16:39 | punkrockguy318 | Ave: alright |
| 17:16:48 | Ave | debian atleast doesnt ship cross compilers so I had to compile it (and binutils) |
| 17:16:54 | Russss | I guess the players don't know what time zone they're in. |
| 17:17:06 | obo | nope, no way to tell |
| 17:17:12 | punkrockguy318 | Ave: i wonder if 4.0.3 would be alright |
| 17:17:38 | obo | plus... irivers have a conflict issue with the origional firmware - the year can be out... |
| 17:18:19 | Ave | punkrockguy318: sorry, no idea |
| 17:18:20 | Russss | I guess we need a flag which logs whether it's a proper GMT timestamp or local time |
| 17:18:33 | punkrockguy318 | Ave: i'll play it safe and go with 4.0.2 |
| 17:18:33 | Ave | however I did use the latest available binutils! |
| 17:18:37 | Russss | then we have to convert using the time zone on the synchronising computer and hope for the best |
| 17:19:11 | obo | yup, but might have to rely on the end user to set that correctly in the firmware options? |
| 17:20:08 | Russss | well that assumes that the timezone on the synchronising PC is the same as the timezone on the device, which is probably logical |
| 17:21:29 | obo | should be in most cases |
| 17:21:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:21:44 | obo | Is this going to be added to the new beta client then? |
| 17:21:58 | Russss | yeah |
| 17:22:17 | Russss | at some point |
| 17:28:17 | TiMiD | hi |
| 17:29:00 | TiMiD | I've made a replacement tetris plugin that handles multiplayer on players with 2 screens |
| 17:29:10 | spitball | i think it was album art that screwed up the tagcache thing |
| 17:29:24 | _FireFly_ | hi TiMiD :) |
| 17:29:33 | TiMiD | is this considered as a new feature ? |
| 17:29:42 | TiMiD | should I commit it ? |
| 17:29:58 | TiMiD | hi _FireFly_ |
| 17:30:02 | TiMiD | long time no see |
| 17:30:06 | _FireFly_ | jupp |
| 17:30:09 | Moos | TiMiD: give a link before, for ones wanted to see |
| 17:30:32 | TiMiD | oh |
| 17:30:35 | TiMiD | patch |
| 17:30:47 | TiMiD | too lazy to make a patch |
| 17:30:58 | TiMiD | :) |
| 17:31:00 | Moos | mor the sources maybe :p |
| 17:31:02 | Moos | or |
| 17:31:13 | TiMiD | I've a build for iriver |
| 17:31:28 | Moos | is linuxstb around by any chance? : ) |
| 17:31:47 | TiMiD | http://timidzone.free.fr/pub/capture_tetris3.png |
| 17:31:56 | TiMiD | here is a screenshot |
| 17:32:23 | TiMiD | http://timidzone.free.fr/pub/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
| 17:32:43 | piroko | grr... i guess the simulator runs on linux but not BSD? |
| 17:32:59 | crwl | that gray background isn't very good a choice on target |
| 17:33:11 | TiMiD | yes I changedit to white |
| 17:33:17 | TiMiD | that's an old screenshot |
| 17:33:31 | crwl | great :) |
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| 17:33:49 | Moos | I tested it on iriver and it is great for me |
| 17:34:10 | piroko | can I trick the rockbox configure script into thinking I'm running linux? |
| 17:34:13 | TiMiD | I had this project since a long time but I decided to finish it |
| 17:34:23 | Moos | 2 plyaers, can play on remote.... |
| 17:34:27 | TiMiD | yes |
| 17:34:36 | ashridah | piroko: probably. |
| 17:34:44 | TiMiD | or one player on remote if you dont wanna use themain unit |
| 17:34:51 | piroko | because I have X installed with sdl and everything. it should run just fine |
| 17:35:07 | ashridah | piroko: it's probably just a uname check |
| 17:35:14 | piroko | probabl\y |
| 17:35:45 | ashridah | piroko: hmm. looks like there should be handling for FreeBSD |
| 17:35:48 | ashridah | which BSD is it? |
| 17:36:10 | Moos | TiMiD: not luck, it seems no core dev around |
| 17:36:10 | piroko | os x. i think it's based off netbsd or something |
| 17:36:51 | ashridah | hrm, that should already have been working. curious |
| 17:36:53 | ashridah | anyway, run "uname" at the prompt |
| 17:36:57 | ashridah | what's it spit out? |
| 17:37:04 | piroko | Darwin |
| 17:37:20 | piroko | change bsd to Darwin in configure? |
| 17:37:28 | piroko | just to make it work? |
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| 17:37:36 | _FireFly_ | you could try |
| 17:37:43 | ashridah | maybe not, that entry doesn't have support for the SDL config yet |
| 17:38:03 | _FireFly_ | nad if it works then we could add it as an additional target for the sim |
| 17:38:04 | piroko | i'll try linux then |
| 17:38:06 | ABondar | hello. can someone tell me how to get an plugin compiled? |
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| 17:39:15 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 17:39:33 | ABondar_de | for example blackjack |
| 17:40:05 | |Unknown| | when I hold the menu key whats suppose to happen? |
| 17:40:35 | ABondar_de | it even cannot find the source files... but htey were here some weeks ago |
| 17:40:42 | piroko | :( |
| 17:40:48 | piroko | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `sys/vfs.h', needed by `/Users/jeremy/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build/comsim/io.o'. Stop. |
| 17:40:51 | piroko | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `sys/vfs.h', needed by `/Users/jeremy/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build/comsim/io.o'. Stop. |
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| 17:40:56 | piroko | gah. sorry for the double |
| 17:41:34 | |Unknown| | when I hold the menu key whats suppose to happen? |
| 17:41:47 | ashridah | that's provided as part of the C development headers |
| 17:42:05 | piroko | hmm... maybe darwinports or fink has them |
| 17:43:16 | punkrockguy318 | When compiling my cross compiler, I got the error that i have no termcap library. What is that? |
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| 17:44:17 | ABondar_de | anyone? |
| 17:44:52 | piroko | punkrockguy318: what operating system are you running? |
| 17:44:59 | punkrockguy318 | piroko: Ubuntu linux |
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| 17:45:30 | piroko | punkrockguy318: try sudo apt-get install libtermcap? |
| 17:45:47 | piroko | or whatever package manager ubuntu uses nowadays. |
| 17:46:09 | |Unknown| | how do I play music on rockbox? |
| 17:46:16 | punkrockguy318 | :-\ I can't find it.. oh well, I don't use gdb that much anyway |
| 17:46:31 | punkrockguy318 | I asked in #ubuntu but they are generally helpless :) |
| 17:47:10 | lostlogic | Slasheri: are there separate malloc buffers for the voice codec and the audio codec? It looks like there's just one, or is the malloc buffer not used in normal decoding and only in wav writing? |
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| 17:47:45 | linuxstb_ | Most of the codecs use the malloc buffer. Is that not being swapped for voice? |
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| 17:48:37 | TiMiD | linuxstb_: would a new plugin be considered as a new feature ? :D |
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| 17:49:08 | linuxstb_ | Is that your tetris plugin? We already have two... |
| 17:49:11 | Moos | TiMiD: isn't one upgrade of the new one? |
| 17:49:17 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 17:49:31 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i think the malloc buffer is not used by the mpa codec |
| 17:49:32 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: doesn't look like it... |
| 17:49:40 | Slasheri | so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:49:44 | TiMiD | yes we have two but this one is better ^^ |
| 17:49:48 | Moos | linuxstb: 1 for replace the 2 currents? |
| 17:49:53 | lostlogic | Slasheri: so if we allow other codecs for voice then we have a problem |
| 17:49:56 | linuxstb_ | It is - grep for malloc in libmad/ |
| 17:49:58 | Slasheri | lostlogic: yes |
| 17:50:10 | Slasheri | at least vorbis needs that buffer |
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| 17:50:36 | linuxstb_ | We can probably get rid of malloc for most of the codecs quite easily. But Vorbis and AAC will be a lot of work. |
| 17:50:57 | lostlogic | well I'll leave it as is, 1 malloc buffer for now, snice MPA doesn't use it. |
| 17:50:59 | Ave | grand idea, someone needs to write a sudoku plugin.. |
| 17:51:22 | lostlogic | unless linuxstb_ is right and it does, *looks deeper* |
| 17:51:25 | ABondar_de | Ave: we have already a sudoku plugin... |
| 17:51:30 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: It _IS_ being used for libmad. |
| 17:51:34 | Ave | grand idea, I need to open my eyes |
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| 17:52:02 | ABondar_de | any plugin developer here? |
| 17:52:09 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: well damn, ok ok ok, I'll either fix libmad, or make 2 malloc buffers for safety since I'm about to reorganize the thing a little bit for linked tracks any way. |
| 17:52:14 | linuxstb_ | Or at least, malloc is in the code. I may be mistaken, and it's in an unused code path. |
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| 17:53:43 | punkrockguy318 | I wonder if I could use the binary compiler supplied with ipl |
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| 17:54:49 | linuxstb_ | It seems there is one small buffer malloc'd - in layer3.c:mad_layer_III(). It's about 2500 bytes and a fixed size. Plus one calloc, which is even smaller. |
| 17:57:07 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: yep that's what I'm seeing, but what I'm not sure of is if there need to be 2 of those 2500 byte buffers and it references the previous one in the next frame before freeing it |
| 17:59:11 | linuxstb_ | I don't see that. But I'm sure it will quickly complain if it does need two of them. |
| 17:59:38 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: :-P I'm preetty sure it does −− seems to use the data from two frames in that function, still reading code. |
| 17:59:45 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: also there's a malloc in decoder.c |
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| 18:00:32 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i just made a rough estimate that using non-contiguous playback buffer with chunksize (cs) = 128k, buffer size (bs) = 28M, guard buffer (gb) = 8k, the worst estimated performance loss would be 6%. And with 256k chunksize 3% 100-bs*100/(bs/cs*gs+bs) |
| 18:00:49 | Slasheri | so that would be a minor hit for the performance |
| 18:00:58 | linuxstb_ | The one in decoder.c is inside ifdef USE_ASYNC - which isn't defined in our build. |
| 18:01:30 | lostlogic | ah |
| 18:02:33 | linuxstb_ | I can't see anywhere where the pointer stream->main_data is changed. |
| 18:03:17 | linuxstb_ | i.e. it always seems to point to that single 2500 byte buffer. |
| 18:03:44 | lostlogic | Slasheri: I have no idea where you got that forumula, but 3% performance hit in order to avoid restarting playback once in a long while doesn't seem reasonable, especially with the code complexity cost that will also result. |
| 18:04:02 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: yous eem to understand the code better than me, I've never looked at libmad until this second. |
| 18:04:24 | linuxstb_ | Not really. But I'm confident enough to say to try just giving it a single buffer. |
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| 18:04:34 | linuxstb_ | If you want, I can have a go now to remove the mallocs |
| 18:04:49 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: sounds great, would save me hassle if it works. |
| 18:05:03 | lostlogic | s/if/when/ |
| 18:05:15 | linuxstb_ | I'll have a go now then. Happy to relieve a burden from you... |
| 18:05:27 | Gena | where can i find a reference for ColdFire assembly? |
| 18:05:42 | lostlogic | Gena: the programmers reference manual is linked from the wiki |
| 18:06:14 | lostlogic | Gena: it's available on motorola/freescale's site. |
| 18:07:03 | punkrockguy318 | Hmm I was compiling the rockbock source and I got this error:/usr/local/crosscompilers/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: address 0x2000048 of /home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM |
| 18:07:03 | punkrockguy318 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [/home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf] Error 1 make[2]: *** [doom] Error 2 |
| 18:08:04 | Gena | lostlogic: thanks, found it |
| 18:08:53 | punkrockguy318 | anyone else have an ideas? I'm compiling for the ipod video with gcc 4.0.2 |
| 18:09:28 | Slasheri | lostlogic: hmm, maybe. but then for example codecs too could have a better memory allocation if needed by any codec, and no need to reserve any malloc buffers |
| 18:10:22 | linuxstb | lostlogic: It seems the malloc has already been disabled - stream.main_data is initialised to a static buffer in mpa, in a custom init_mad() function. |
| 18:10:39 | lostlogic | linuxstb: so Slasheri was indeed correct, yayz! |
| 18:10:55 | linuxstb | Similarly for the calloc. |
| 18:11:12 | lostlogic | Slasheri: I think the better strategy is to manually remove the mallocs from codecs as has apparently already been done for mad. |
| 18:11:16 | linuxstb | So yes, Slasheri was right :) |
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| 18:11:50 | Slasheri | yeah, i had made sure of that a long time ago before implementing the swcodec voice codec support :) |
| 18:12:28 | linuxstb | I was wondering how voice could have worked at all.... |
| 18:13:09 | lostlogic | hehe, yeah |
| 18:13:18 | linuxstb | I agree with lostlogic, that we the aim should be to make all the codecs malloc-free. But Tremor and faad don't make that easy. |
| 18:14:56 | punkrockguy318 | Can anyone compile today's cvs for ipodvideo? I'm getting an error... This is my first attempt at compilation, and I don't know if it's just me or if it's broken. |
| 18:15:08 | lostlogic | Slasheri: any thoughts on making voice support more reliable on swcodec? |
| 18:15:24 | linuxstb | punkrockguy318: If the build table says it's OK, then it's OK - http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 18:15:33 | linuxstb | What's the error? |
| 18:15:41 | punkrockguy318 | /usr/local/crosscompilers/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: address 0x2000048 of /home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM |
| 18:16:12 | linuxstb | Have you applied any patches to the source? Specifically Doom? |
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| 18:16:40 | punkrockguy318 | linuxstb nope, just vanilla cvs from today |
| 18:17:41 | linuxstb | Something has gone badly wrong - Doom shouldn't be anywhere near address 0x20000048. Try deleting your build directory, and start again. |
| 18:17:53 | Slasheri | lostlogic: nope, feel free to invent some new ideas in that area ;) |
| 18:18:22 | punkrockguy318 | linuxstb i'll give it another shot |
| 18:18:26 | punkrockguy318 | linuxstb building... |
| 18:18:26 | lostlogic | Slasheri: :( I've got nothing on that yet, I keep hoping that if I simplify the overall playback enough someone else will come up with something brilliant :-P |
| 18:18:51 | * | lostlogic decides to move track_info to the buffer now. |
| 18:19:04 | linuxstb | punkrockguy318: Sorry, forget that, I miscounted the zeros. It's not _very_ wrong, but it _is_ wrong. |
| 18:19:51 | Slasheri | lostlogic: it might be better not to do too many changes to the code before the release.. it still has a bunch of problems to be solved |
| 18:21:18 | punkrockguy318 | linuxstb alright.. i'm using gcc 4.0.2 that I just compiled today |
| 18:22:05 | lostlogic | Slasheri: this will solve one of them, and facilitate solving others. What problems do you refer to exactly? |
| 18:22:24 | * | amar falls off his chair, Don't swing on chairs kids! |
| 18:22:33 | _FireFly_ | amar: ;) |
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| 18:23:10 | punkrockguy318 | linuxstb I got the same error the third time around :-\ |
| 18:23:12 | lostlogic | The ones in my todo are: back-skipping can desync the WPS, this will be solved by moving the tracks to the buffer. Seeking to the very end causes some weird behavior (haven't investigated enough yet) and Seeking within the end of a track seeks in the next track, having tracks on the buffer will make this a bit easier to deal with. |
| 18:23:16 | punkrockguy318 | address 0x2000048 of /home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM |
| 18:23:43 | Slasheri | lostlogic: yes, and every big change will introduce more.. but i was referring in general what i had feel lately. Problems when skipping tracks fast, pop/pause when selecting a new track or playback will stop entirely etc. |
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| 18:24:25 | _FireFly_ | punkrockguy318: have you only the gcc as an cross-compiler or have you also build the binutils for the target |
| 18:25:08 | punkrockguy318 | _FireFly_: I built binutils as well.. |
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| 18:26:07 | punkrockguy318 | _FireFly_: Is the makefile sure to use the right binutils? |
| 18:26:08 | lostlogic | Slasheri: if you have bugs in playback with the latest code, please report them on my wiki page or explicitly here as to how to produce them. |
| 18:26:27 | punkrockguy318 | _FireFly_: I have 386 binutils as well installed |
| 18:26:28 | _FireFly_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 18:26:54 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i will, as soon as i try the most recent code |
| 18:26:55 | linuxstb | punkrockguy318: The error means that the doom plugin is too large for the 512KB plugin buffer. It is very tight - my gcc (also 4.0.2) only leaves a few hundred bytes free... |
| 18:27:28 | linuxstb | Which version of binutils did you install? (type "arm-elf-as −−version") |
| 18:27:34 | linuxstb | Mine is 2.16.1 |
| 18:27:41 | punkrockguy318 | 2.16.1 |
| 18:28:48 | linuxstb | :( I can't explain the difference then. |
| 18:29:17 | punkrockguy318 | i have a directory called arm-elf/bin... i added that to the path and i'm compiling again |
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| 18:30:35 | _FireFly_ | i have only the bin-dir in my PATH in which are the mk68-* files resists |
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| 18:30:52 | punkrockguy318 | Same error! :( |
| 18:31:21 | _FireFly_ | punkrockguy318: did you follow the CrossCompiler howto on the rockbox wiki ? |
| 18:31:34 | punkrockguy318 | _FireFly_: yes |
| 18:32:04 | punkrockguy318 | i built binutils in the same directory as the source though.. would that make a difference? |
| 18:32:45 | _FireFly_ | maybe you have done something wrong when compiling the binutils and the gcc (e.g. a wrong configure-option) |
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| 18:33:25 | punkrockguy318 | ../gcc-4.0.2/configure −−target=arm-elf −−prefix=/usr/local/crosscompilers/ −−enable-languages=c |
| 18:33:39 | _FireFly_ | punkrockguy318: have you done this step before compiling gcc? : /home/linus> export PATH=/home/linus/sh1/bin:$PATH |
| 18:33:59 | punkrockguy318 | no |
| 18:34:20 | punkrockguy318 | perhaps that's it |
| 18:34:24 | _FireFly_ | to add the path of the compiled binutils to the path before configuring/compiling the gcc |
| 18:34:26 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 18:34:37 | _FireFly_ | so gcc was compiled against the wrong binutils |
| 18:34:51 | punkrockguy318 | ah! your a lifesaver! |
| 18:34:59 | punkrockguy318 | thanks everyone for your help! i love the friendly community! :) |
| 18:35:12 | _FireFly_ | remember to adjust the path to your setup for the export ;) |
| 18:35:25 | _FireFly_ | punkrockguy318: np, |
| 18:35:43 | punkrockguy318 | thanks! well i'm going to go mow lawns, but when i come back i'll be hacking away :) |
| 18:36:26 | _FireFly_ | punkrockguy318: next time read the howto carefully :) |
| 18:36:56 | punkrockguy318 | i didn't even see that :( |
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| 18:39:21 | spitball | yo yo |
| 18:40:04 | Burma | yea brother's |
| 18:40:23 | Burma | do you speac russian" |
| 18:40:24 | Burma | ? |
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| 18:41:53 | spitball | да |
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| 18:42:39 | spitball | тишь |
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| 18:44:21 | t0mas | woops |
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| 18:57:02 | spitball | i think instead of having songs with no album tags in an <Untagged> folder they should just be all together in the artist folder |
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| 19:02:07 | spitball | fine :( |
| 19:02:20 | spitball | i'll figure out how to do it myself |
| 19:02:23 | spitball | somehow |
| 19:03:19 | Slasheri | hmm, i just got an idea that it might be possible to use the allocated dircache buffer to commit tagcache and after that load the dircache.. everything in background :) |
| 19:03:39 | Slasheri | and dircache buffer _should_ be large enough always for that |
| 19:04:24 | Slasheri | however, if it's not, then the tagcache would be lost |
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| 19:08:30 | spitball | keep up the good work |
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| 19:08:40 | spitball | heh |
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| 19:30:49 | mooch | argh! |
| 19:30:55 | mooch | do I really need fat32 |
| 19:30:56 | mooch | ? |
| 19:31:05 | mooch | in my ipod video... |
| 19:31:08 | _FireFly_ | japp |
| 19:31:22 | mooch | frack |
| 19:33:57 | mooch | how can i turn it into a fat32 with a mac? |
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| 19:39:57 | _FireFly_ | here is a howto for it: http://www.appleswitcher.com/viewtopic.php?t=12670 |
| 19:40:40 | _FireFly_ | you have at least reformat the drive so make a backup of your music-files on the ipod |
| 19:41:00 | _FireFly_ | before doing the filesystem change |
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| 19:47:57 | mooch | is there any plans to add support for hfs+ ? |
| 19:48:20 | Ave | I think not |
| 19:48:34 | Ave | and btw, all new ipods ship with fat32, no thfs |
| 19:49:14 | mooch | Ave: my video has hfs+, even journaled |
| 19:49:56 | Ave | well thats great? |
| 19:50:10 | Ave | ipodlinux supports hfs+ afaicr |
| 19:50:53 | mooch | dunno, but i try to stay as fas as possible from fat32 |
| 19:51:02 | mooch | dont want to touch it even with a 10 meter pole... |
| 19:51:49 | mooch | the only reason i want rockbox is vorbis, and if that means fat32, i have to rethink it... |
| 19:52:26 | Ave | I think I saw something abou tthe issue in the wiki but can't find it anymore |
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| 19:57:02 | linuxstb_ | mooch: People add whatever features they want to Rockbox - so when someone who can code it wants HFS+ support, it will happen. |
| 19:59:17 | Slasheri | looks good, soon tagcache will be committed in background.. more reasons to enable the dircache :) |
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| 20:00:06 | mooch | linuxstb_: sure... |
| 20:00:30 | mooch | linuxstb_: i am not new in FOSS |
| 20:00:39 | mooch | i was just wondering... ;) |
| 20:02:52 | Ave | whats the benefit of tag cache? |
| 20:03:24 | Slasheri | Ave: it makes it possible to browse songs by tags instead of the directory structure |
| 20:03:58 | Ave | ahhh stupid of me |
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| 20:21:42 | Slasheri | huh, i think now i have the most horrible bootup sequence designed for dircache & tagcache (when tagcache is to be loaded in ram also): |
| 20:23:12 | Slasheri | Foreground: Allocate dircache, Allocate tagcache. Background: Steal dircache buffer & commit tagcache, Load dircache, Load tagcache, Update tagcache. As necessary: Reverse generate tagcache (deleted files), Steal dircache buffer, Commit tagcache, Reload tagcache, Reload dircache |
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| 20:27:30 | b00st4 | obo, ur there? |
| 20:29:14 | crwl | urfhg |
| 20:29:50 | Slasheri | crwl :) |
| 20:30:14 | crwl | :) |
| 20:30:19 | b00st4 | lol |
| 20:31:01 | Jungti1234 | booo |
| 20:33:13 | obo | b00st4: yup |
| 20:33:40 | b00st4 | aight, any clue if ipoduplug patch works on new cvs? |
| 20:33:52 | obo | nope, but I've got a newer patch here... |
| 20:34:11 | b00st4 | u fixed the bug? |
| 20:35:16 | obo | yeah - it's still not as it should be, but it works |
| 20:35:42 | b00st4 | thats the most important thing ;) |
| 20:35:50 | b00st4 | can u post it? |
| 20:35:57 | b00st4 | ill try if it compiles |
| 20:36:40 | obo | b00st4: http://pastebin.com/661883 |
| 20:37:19 | b00st4 | thx |
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| 20:39:07 | b00st4 | hmm, if i paste that, it doesnt work |
| 20:39:37 | b00st4 | patch unexpectedly ends in the middle of the line... |
| 20:39:45 | obo | hang on.. |
| 20:40:38 | b00st4 | k |
| 20:41:08 | arse_ | i can't get doom to gork, i put rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad to /games/doom/ and plugins says that it can't find database wads |
| 20:41:56 | arse_ | any great ideas? :) |
| 20:43:09 | b00st4 | obo, do i have to copy this text into the patch directly? and remove the current text? |
| 20:43:28 | obo | yes - or paste it into a new file, and patch that in. |
| 20:43:39 | obo | it needs to be applied into a clean, uptodate source tree |
| 20:43:54 | obo | one hunk with have a fuzz warning, rest is clean (was in a hurry :) ) |
| 20:44:10 | b00st4 | jap, i just got the new cvs |
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| 20:45:25 | b00st4 | hm, doesnt work |
| 20:45:32 | b00st4 | stil same fault |
| 20:45:45 | b00st4 | doesnt seem to be in right format |
| 20:46:03 | | Quit infamis ("off to reverse-engineering rockbox :)") |
| 20:46:05 | obo | you're using patch -p0 < file ?? |
| 20:46:12 | b00st4 | jp |
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| 20:46:31 | b00st4 | it says only garbage was found in patch input |
| 20:46:43 | b00st4 | maybe u can send me a prpoer version? |
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| 20:51:27 | obo | b00st4: getting the dcc? |
| 20:51:37 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
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| 20:53:30 | b00st4 | nah |
| 20:53:33 | b00st4 | failed |
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| 20:53:52 | b00st4 | pls retry |
| 20:53:58 | b00st4 | or post it to flyspray |
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| 20:54:33 | obo | sent again - I don't want to post it if you're having problems..... |
| 20:55:35 | b00st4 | but maybe also other peoples wanna apply that patch |
| 20:55:48 | b00st4 | and the version on flyspray is very old |
| 20:57:57 | b00st4 | it says unable to connect |
| 20:58:07 | b00st4 | do i have to register, to receive files? |
| 20:59:49 | obo | pass... |
| 20:59:57 | Ribs | no, you don't |
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| 21:00:07 | lostlogic | hah, was just listening to music with xmms and heard a bad track transition... was about to start looking for the bug in my swcodec playback code... of course that doesn' tmake any sense. |
| 21:00:12 | Ribs | it's obo's computer sending out the wrong IP, or the port his computer is sending is firewalled |
| 21:00:14 | Ribs | or both |
| 21:00:52 | Ribs | lostlogic: That's dedication :> |
| 21:01:18 | obo | yeah, bit of a IRC noob here... flyspray updated :) |
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| 21:02:57 | b00st4 | nah, i normally dont got probs with irc, lol |
| 21:03:24 | Ribs | obo: it can be fixed, but needs work |
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| 21:09:01 | obo | b00st4: that version applying okay for you? |
| 21:10:06 | b00st4 | jap, thx |
| 21:12:18 | b00st4 | im out...thx dudes |
| 21:12:33 | obo | cya |
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| 21:20:39 | obo | linuxstb_: I'm trying to get the headphone socket to generate an event when it changes state |
| 21:21:35 | obo | I've tried changing the interupt code in button.c at line 638 onwards... but has no effect |
| 21:21:38 | obo | any ideas? |
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| 21:23:59 | lostlogic | this is seriously creepy. xmms is having bugs like those I've had in playback recently, it's trying to fuck with me. |
| 21:24:25 | crwl | try something else |
| 21:24:57 | crwl | what about amaroK, it's cool 'n all - and has some very interesting bugs on its own |
| 21:26:10 | petur | lostlogic: paranoia? ;) |
| 21:26:43 | petur | maybe the glitches you hear are *in* the songs you listen to? |
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| 21:34:43 | petur | any m68k/coldfire asm person around? |
| 21:36:02 | petur | I'm wondering why, when writing to a device mapped at certain mem location, this is used: move.w 0xA(a6), (a5) |
| 21:37:05 | petur | this is writing the contens of A6 + 0xA to the mem location contained in A5, right? |
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| 21:44:13 | petur | hmmm... must be saturday night :( |
| 21:46:30 | | Join ABondar_de [0] (i=alexande@Odd30.o.pppool.de) |
| 21:48:35 | ABondar_de | is somebody here who wants to help me add some usefull (for me at least) futures to the key press handlings? |
| 21:51:32 | ABondar_de | nobody? |
| 21:52:01 | petur | only bots here... |
| 21:52:42 | lostlogic | petur: yes, I am beginning to think that some of the glitches I was hearing in my playback code were in my songs instead :( |
| 21:53:29 | petur | lostlogic: any progress on the WPS-out-of-sync? |
| 21:54:47 | petur | bah... where's Linus when you need him :\ |
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| 21:56:17 | lostlogic | petur: I'm currently switching to metadata-on-buffer, which will completely screw the world for at least the wekend (I'll try not to commit until after that state). |
| 21:56:47 | petur | yeah, do try not to commit if it's broken ;) |
| 21:57:30 | ABondar_de | petur: do you have some time? |
| 21:57:46 | petur | for? |
| 21:58:52 | ABondar_de | petur: to tell me where settings get saved, how to access, change and add them. :) |
| 21:59:01 | petur | in the code? |
| 21:59:13 | ABondar_de | yes |
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| 21:59:32 | ABondar_de | is there a giid wiki page for that kind of stuf? |
| 21:59:36 | petur | apps/settings.c |
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| 22:00:35 | ABondar_de | ok, line 315: "backlight filters first keypress", off_on }, |
| 22:01:10 | petur | settings used to be documented I think, maybe there's something in the wiki, but probably not up to date at all |
| 22:01:51 | petur | tell me what you're trying to do... |
| 22:01:58 | ABondar_de | how do i add new setting after "first key press..." |
| 22:02:15 | ABondar_de | I want to add event handling for each button |
| 22:02:15 | petur | new setting? |
| 22:02:18 | ABondar_de | yes |
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| 22:02:44 | petur | you mean different handling dependant on the key? |
| 22:02:45 | ABondar_de | 1st key press -> NAVI, 1st key press -> PLAY etc |
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| 22:02:51 | ABondar_de | yes |
| 22:04:04 | ABondar_de | to set for example only REC button to turn the light on |
| 22:04:37 | petur | enable/disable 'eat first keypress' for each key as a setting or give more options in that one setting that's there now? |
| 22:04:59 | petur | so: change the setting to multi-option or add more settings? |
| 22:05:23 | ABondar_de | add more settings |
| 22:06:38 | petur | well, then you need to add entries at the back of the settings list and struct (copy paste an existing one) |
| 22:06:50 | kkurbjun | Does anyone know why rockbox doesn't have an _exit implementation for plugins? |
| 22:07:29 | kkurbjun | is it a philosophical reason? |
| 22:07:35 | ABondar_de | in apps/settings.c ? |
| 22:08:09 | petur | ABondar: yes |
| 22:08:30 | petur | and settings.h of course |
| 22:09:43 | petur | copy paste an existing setting everywhere you find it ;) |
| 22:10:33 | ABondar_de | #ifdef CONFIG_BACKLIGHT |
| 22:10:33 | ABondar_de | bool bl_filter_first_keypress; /* filter first keypress when dark? */ |
| 22:10:33 | ABondar_de | #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD |
| 22:10:33 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ABondar_de |
| 22:10:33 | ABondar_de | bool remote_bl_filter_first_keypress; /* filter first remote keypress when remote dark? */ |
| 22:10:33 | ABondar_de | #endif |
| 22:10:54 | kkurbjun | also does anyone know how to read the contents of the pc in coldfire asm; I'm looking through the asm docs and it doesn't look like you can.. |
| 22:12:13 | ABondar_de | but i need something like bool bl_filter_first_keypress_play; ..._navi ... _rec |
| 22:12:25 | ABondar_de | or should F1, F2 be used? |
| 22:14:00 | petur | ABondar: all settings are accessed through the settings struct which gets filled when settings are read from disk |
| 22:14:15 | petur | so you need to put them also in there |
| 22:15:08 | ABondar_de | but how? bl_filter_first_keypress_navi or bl_filter_first_keypress_f1 ? |
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| 22:17:00 | cyberjb | anyone have any screen shots of the rockbox on ipod?? |
| 22:19:00 | petur | cyberjb: look for the wps galeries in the wiki |
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| 22:20:28 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 22:20:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm personally always tempted to respond "If you feel you need screenshots, you're probably not the target audience." |
| 22:21:19 | petur | ABondar: are you asking me to solve all your programming issues? :P |
| 22:21:55 | ABondar_de | maybe ;) |
| 22:22:23 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd: maybe, but I'm also a visual type guy, I always look for screenshots as a hint for usability (not fancy stuff) |
| 22:22:35 | ABondar_de | I try to understand which button ist meant with ..._MODE and ..._ON (on h300) |
| 22:23:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: I suppose, but *most* people who ask for screenshots demonstrated they aren't doing it for Usability's sake now, because the Manual has plenty of usability demonstrating screenshots, and that's where you'd check usability anyway. :-P |
| 22:23:20 | ABondar_de | but there are still many problems for usability of rockbox... (menu) |
| 22:25:35 | petur | ABondar_de: I'd suggest you convert the current setting (first keypress) to one that takes multiple values (any first key, first NAV key,...) |
| 22:25:56 | petur | but indeed check what keys exist on all targets |
| 22:26:21 | petur | so NAVI is a bad example |
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| 22:26:46 | _jim_fear | whats up party people |
| 22:27:16 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_INC BUTTON_UP up |
| 22:27:16 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_DEC BUTTON_DOWN down |
| 22:27:16 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_OK BUTTON_SELECT play? |
| 22:27:16 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_OK2 BUTTON_LEFT ? |
| 22:27:16 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_CANCEL BUTTON_OFF stop |
| 22:27:17 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:27:17 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_CANCEL2 BUTTON_MODE a-b? |
| 22:27:19 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_PREV BUTTON_LEFT rew |
| 22:27:21 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_NEXT BUTTON_RIGHT ff |
| 22:27:23 | ABondar_de | #define SETTINGS_ACCEPT BUTTON_ON navi? |
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| 22:27:59 | _jim_fear | ok then |
| 22:28:33 | _jim_fear | anyone here have a iRiver H3xx with this rockbox firmware? |
| 22:28:44 | ABondar_de | _jim_fear: yes |
| 22:28:50 | _jim_fear | awesome |
| 22:28:54 | _jim_fear | can i ask u a few questions? |
| 22:28:58 | _jim_fear | im a little skeptical |
| 22:29:30 | ABondar_de | _jim_fear: what do you want to know? |
| 22:29:33 | _jim_fear | first i read somewhere on the page but dont know if it applies to the iriver or not, can u que up songs? |
| 22:30:22 | _jim_fear | thats the main feature I wish my iriver had |
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| 22:30:41 | ABondar_de | what meens "que up songs"? (not native speaker and vocanulary is cery slow ;) ) |
| 22:31:02 | thouters | he means queue |
| 22:31:18 | _jim_fear | thats okay, i understand, basically to have another song from another album ready to play after the one that is playing |
| 22:31:30 | _jim_fear | its like a playlist on dynamic, i dont have to make a .pls or whatever first and send it over |
| 22:31:48 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:31:48 | * | petur returns |
| 22:32:09 | ABondar_de | _jim_fear: yes, you can add any song to a playlist |
| 22:32:19 | _jim_fear | on the iriver itself? |
| 22:32:43 | petur | yes |
| 22:32:49 | ABondar_de | where else??? |
| 22:32:54 | _jim_fear | okay that means its worth it lol |
| 22:32:59 | _jim_fear | ABondar_de: on the computer |
| 22:33:00 | _jim_fear | =) |
| 22:33:02 | ABondar_de | isn't it OTF-playlist? |
| 22:33:10 | petur | it's more than worth it ;) |
| 22:33:38 | ABondar_de | does anybody know how the original fw looks like? ;) |
| 22:33:52 | petur | do check the manual for what RB can and can't do for you... |
| 22:33:55 | _jim_fear | petur: like i said idonno im a computer tech and im a little skeptical about it |
| 22:34:02 | _jim_fear | i did read it |
| 22:34:08 | _jim_fear | it was a little confusing but i think i get the gist |
| 22:34:14 | _jim_fear | do you have a H3xx petur |
| 22:34:17 | petur | yes |
| 22:34:30 | _jim_fear | you think its worth it too then huh |
| 22:34:36 | petur | sure |
| 22:35:01 | petur | you can even browse your dynamic playlist to skip some songs |
| 22:35:14 | ABondar_de | and shufle them |
| 22:35:41 | ABondar_de | and save the changed playlists everywhere you want |
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| 22:37:50 | ABondar_de | petur: what is SETTINGS_NEXT BUTTON_RIGHT? |
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| 22:38:16 | petur | ABondar_de: now you're looking at the wrong stuff ;) |
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| 22:38:48 | petur | that's how the navigation in the settings menu is attached to buttons of the platform |
| 22:39:04 | ABondar_de | petur: but I want to know settings of which button this are... |
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| 22:39:34 | petur | If you're looking for the actual button handling (and keypress eating), it is elsewhere (don't know exactly myself) |
| 22:39:48 | petur | ther's no such thing as the setting of a button |
| 22:40:09 | ABondar_de | (this are the things i want to add) |
| 22:40:27 | petur | a button of a target device is 'mapped' to a certain functionality |
| 22:40:45 | ABondar_de | ok |
| 22:41:24 | lostlogic | hmm... I wonder if metadata-on-buffer will end up being more or less code than metadata on ringbuffer. It looks like its going to be a close race. |
| 22:41:32 | petur | have a look at the CVS history when the 'first keypress...' was added, then you'l know where to hack it |
| 22:41:41 | ABondar_de | petur: I'll try to change it now only for up and left, so i cannot do anything wrong |
| 22:41:46 | ABondar_de | petur: ok |
| 22:45:34 | petur | I really should go looking for a good book on m68k/coldfire asm :( |
| 22:46:38 | _jim_fear | what do i use iriver's firmware upgrade tool to upload the rockbox firmware? |
| 22:47:14 | ABondar_de | petur: 8 different files... :) |
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| 22:48:42 | petur | _iim_fear: you must first patch an original iriver firmware with the fwpatcher, then use the iriver flash tool to flash that |
| 22:49:14 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 22:50:31 | petur | put fwpatcher and the original firmware in the same folder and run fwpatcher, then flash that |
| 22:51:13 | petur | and don't forget to unzip rockbox itself to your h340 (a bleeding (cvs) build is recommended) |
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| 22:51:17 | uski_ | m0o |
| 22:51:24 | petur | moo? |
| 22:51:30 | petur | Bagder? |
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| 22:51:47 | uski | petur: i just like to say "moo" when I come here |
| 22:51:55 | uski | there's no particular reason for that : |
| 22:51:56 | uski | ) |
| 22:52:01 | angelashes | is there something qwrong with rockbox and the ipod g battery because i just charged my ipod for 9 hours and it says i have only 85%? |
| 22:52:04 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder Bagder Bagder Bagder mushroom! mushroom! |
| 22:52:11 | uski | loooool BHSPitLappy |
| 22:52:34 | BHSPitLappy | angelashes: heh, I've never heard of the "ipod g" |
| 22:52:44 | BHSPitLappy | those g's usually have a number in front of them |
| 22:52:51 | angelashes | 5 |
| 22:52:56 | angelashes | sorry i missed the the 5 |
| 22:53:15 | BHSPitLappy | angelashes: is the battery reader any more accurate in RetailOS? :P |
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| 22:53:30 | BHSPitLappy | I consider the retailos battery display to be a random color generator |
| 22:53:49 | yobesoom | angelashes: those battery levels are only estimates. Even apple says so |
| 22:53:51 | angelashes | i never thought of that |
| 22:54:15 | petur | angelashes: using a recent build? |
| 22:54:20 | yobesoom | it's because the batteries they stick in the units vary in capacity so you shouldn't freak out because it says 85% |
| 22:54:32 | yobesoom | also I know the project's been recently tweaking the measurements somewhat |
| 22:54:33 | angelashes | yeah i know |
| 22:54:46 | angelashes | after watching my friends 4gs start to die after only 9 months |
| 22:56:26 | ABondar_de | petur: either it's too late or I should post a future request :) |
| 22:56:32 | petur | angelashes: ipod battery stuff got updated yesterday for all but the 5g - too bad amiconn isn't around to explain some things |
| 22:56:40 | petur | heh |
| 22:57:03 | angelashes | yeah i read that in the cvs |
| 22:57:04 | petur | you can always post a request and add your patch later ;) |
| 22:57:05 | punkrockguy318 | How does the battery life of rockbox compare to the battery life when using the retailos on an ipod? |
| 22:57:20 | petur | worse atm I fear |
| 22:57:24 | angelashes | rockbox estimates 9 hours |
| 22:57:35 | angelashes | apple usually alsts 13 hours |
| 22:57:40 | punkrockguy318 | not bad |
| 22:57:42 | angelashes | if i just start my playlist |
| 22:57:54 | punkrockguy318 | i've read apple boasted 30hrs... bah don't believe that for a minute |
| 22:58:08 | angelashes | the real video ipod or the 5g |
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| 22:58:18 | angelashes | ? |
| 22:58:38 | punkrockguy318 | ? isn't 5g == video? |
| 22:58:42 | angelashes | no |
| 22:58:51 | angelashes | it a ipod with video capabilities |
| 22:59:06 | angelashes | they are releasing a ipod dedicated to video |
| 22:59:11 | angelashes | it in widescreen |
| 22:59:20 | angelashes | and touch screen |
| 22:59:24 | angelashes | from what i read |
| 22:59:29 | punkrockguy318 | oh hmm |
| 22:59:41 | yobesoom | the concept of using the touchscreen with goopy greasy fingers to watch video with is amusing |
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| 23:00:00 | angelashes | they will ahve to have some plastic that doesn't get grease on it |
| 23:00:06 | angelashes | but i don't nkow of any plastic that can do that |
| 23:00:25 | punkrockguy318 | yeah |
| 23:00:36 | punkrockguy318 | are there docs for plugin writing? |
| 23:00:54 | angelashes | to hook it up to the pc |
| 23:00:55 | angelashes | ? |
| 23:01:13 | punkrockguy318 | no, to write rockbox plugins |
| 23:01:26 | angelashes | good question i want to know to |
| 23:01:34 | angelashes | i want to right plugins |
| 23:01:39 | angelashes | write |
| 23:01:55 | punkrockguy318 | i don't see anything in the wiki, i'm just going to look at some other functions and try to write my own |
| 23:02:08 | petur | punkrockguy318: check the wiki and the helloworld plugin in the source tree |
| 23:02:11 | angelashes | if you find anything tell me |
| 23:02:17 | punkrockguy318 | petur: thanks :) |
| 23:03:10 | angelashes | here it is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
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| 23:03:16 | petur | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginUsability |
| 23:05:42 | angelashes | i would like to see a way to quick change between file views instead of holding menu then changing it |
| 23:06:47 | petur | formulate your idea and put it on the tracker ;) |
| 23:06:53 | angelashes | ok |
| 23:07:12 | punkrockguy318 | ah I LOVE good documentation! :) |
| 23:08:15 | angelashes | how do i make an account |
| 23:08:24 | angelashes | found it |
| 23:08:43 | * | amiconn appears |
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| 23:08:50 | petur | wheeee |
| 23:08:52 | amiconn | petur: You wanted to ask me sth? |
| 23:08:58 | petur | yeah |
| 23:09:18 | petur | what are they ddoing here: move.w arg_2(a6), (a5) |
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| 23:09:43 | petur | is it fetcjhing a var on the stack? |
| 23:09:47 | amiconn | Wazdat? |
| 23:09:49 | petur | *fetching |
| 23:09:53 | angelashes | i just got to say what would we do without wiki |
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| 23:10:48 | amiconn | Looks like m68k asm, but in symbolic form, and neither exactly gas nor motorola syntax |
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| 23:11:03 | petur | ida pro output |
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| 23:11:35 | petur | some lines before it prints this: arg_2 = 0xA |
| 23:11:39 | amiconn | Iiuc, this would be move.w (arg_2,%a6),(%a5) in motorola syntax. |
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| 23:12:17 | _jim_fear | petur: i had the european firmware for the H340 so i could watch videos |
| 23:12:28 | amiconn | It's just moving a 16 bit word from the memory address (a6 + arg_2) to the memory address a5 |
| 23:12:31 | _jim_fear | should i get the US firmware from the iriver site to make the bootloader? |
| 23:12:46 | petur | no |
| 23:12:52 | angelashes | are the developers going to put a boot menu in some day like ipl> |
| 23:12:53 | angelashes | ? |
| 23:13:00 | petur | amiconn: http://pastebin.com/662089 |
| 23:13:10 | BHSPitLappy | angelashes: umm, why don't you just use ipl's loader, then? |
| 23:13:36 | amiconn | That's definitely no stack access, for 2 reasons: (1) stack ptr is a7. (2) stack accesses use predecrement (push) or postincrement (pop) addressing |
| 23:13:42 | angelashes | because i nearly killed med ipod trying to install ipl |
| 23:14:07 | petur | _iim_fear: take one that's in the list of supported firmwares - could be the one you have now |
| 23:14:11 | BHSPitLappy | angelashes: installing ipl's loader is NO different than installing rockbox's loader |
| 23:14:24 | BHSPitLappy | the -same- process exactly |
| 23:14:30 | _jim_fear | petur: im sorry if I am being a pain in the butt here, let me know if I am annoying you, im reading the pdf file that comes with it and i see i have to edit a iriver firmware to get this to work properly, i live in the us but it doesnt matter what region firmware i get huh |
| 23:14:34 | amiconn | ahahaha rotflmao |
| 23:14:44 | _jim_fear | petur: okay just read that now |
| 23:14:48 | amiconn | Delaying with a streak of nops.... |
| 23:14:52 | scottder | hacked his first WPS... |
| 23:14:55 | scottder | well an existing one :) |
| 23:15:28 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 23:15:40 | petur | put fwpatcher and the original firmware in the same folder and run fwpatcher, then flash that |
| 23:15:47 | petur | and don't forget to unzip rockbox itself to your h340 (a bleeding (cvs) build is recommended) |
| 23:16:11 | * | petur loves the history buffer of his irc client ;) |
| 23:16:50 | ABondar_de | petur: what client do you use? |
| 23:17:00 | petur | nettalk |
| 23:17:15 | petur | amiconn: would this come from a function like this: int read(int reg) ? |
| 23:17:32 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:17:35 | _jim_fear | petur: anywhere on the iriver or specifically in the main dir |
| 23:18:05 | petur | rockbox files and folder must be in the root |
| 23:18:11 | amiconn | And this code is relatively easy to read. It seems it's not very optimised. For some reason it even uses a frame pointer... |
| 23:18:16 | _jim_fear | roger |
| 23:18:51 | petur | amiconn: any good asm books to recommend? I'm bad at reading this stuff :( |
| 23:19:06 | amiconn | Line 26 and 27 look like a typical gcc goof.... |
| 23:19:49 | petur | yeah, looks useless |
| 23:20:01 | amiconn | I have no idea. I used no books for learning any of the asm dialects of our platforms. I have a very old m68k asm book, but that's not really helpful |
| 23:20:17 | amiconn | There's the coldfire programming manual in the wiki, that's what I use... |
| 23:20:25 | petur | I'm using wikibooks atm ;) |
| 23:20:48 | petur | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:68K_assembly |
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| 23:22:19 | petur | well, would this asm come from a function like this: int read(int reg) ? |
| 23:22:29 | amiconn | I'm using just this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/CFPRM.pdf for general coldfire coding and this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/MCF5249UM.pdf for info about the various modules (timer....) and execution times |
| 23:22:39 | amiconn | [23:17:41] <petur> amiconn: would this come from a function like this: int read(int reg) ? |
| 23:22:39 | amiconn | [23:17:59] <amiconn> yes |
| 23:22:48 | Ave | the horror, sudokuplugin doesnt work with nano! |
| 23:23:06 | BHSPitLappy | it hardly works at all. |
| 23:23:16 | amiconn | BHSPitLappy: ? |
| 23:23:18 | petur | woops - sorry |
| 23:23:22 | BHSPitLappy | it's buggy, and you easily get caught in its move-legality checks |
| 23:23:24 | lostlogic | handling really long tracks (longer than filebuflen) with metadata stored on buffer is complex. |
| 23:23:26 | amiconn | Sudoku works great on archos and iriver |
| 23:23:34 | BHSPitLappy | sometimes you can't get to the menu/exit |
| 23:23:51 | amiconn | lostlogic: In what way? |
| 23:24:12 | amiconn | I suppose the metadata of the current track is copied to a separate buffer |
| 23:24:15 | Ave | well good riddance to that plugin |
| 23:24:42 | Ave | if one wants stability, what would be a good date to backtrack on cvs? |
| 23:24:58 | lostlogic | amiconn: well normally, the track that is being written to has its metadata on the buffer so I point to that metadata for write operations, but for a really long track, that data will be overwritten, and I will be writing into only the currently playing track (writing into the currentlly playing which _is_ a track on the buffer is already supported) |
| 23:24:59 | midkay | april 3. |
| 23:25:10 | Ave | lets see |
| 23:25:27 | Ave | I did the show charging state mod in nano config, hope it'll still work |
| 23:25:30 | * | petur finds a lot more gcc goofyness |
| 23:26:02 | petur | http://pastebin.com/662118 |
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| 23:26:04 | amiconn | lostlogic: Writing to the track? |
| 23:26:13 | amiconn | I have no idea what you mean... |
| 23:26:40 | lostlogic | amiconn: increasing the counters for how much of the currently being read track's data is on the buffer |
| 23:27:12 | amiconn | Ah |
| 23:27:19 | amiconn | Still, I don't see the problem here |
| 23:27:54 | amiconn | There must be at least one track in the buffer. A nont-yet-started track will have its metadata (and codec) stored in the main buffer |
| 23:28:25 | lostlogic | adds another if to see when the linked-list of metadata on buffer is emtpy, and in that case, writing and readnig are both happening on the same track |
| 23:28:45 | amiconn | As soon as the track starts playing, the codec is "consumed" and copied into the codec slot. The metadata would just be handled the same way, and copied into the trackinfo slot |
| 23:29:09 | amiconn | You could still continue updating it there |
| 23:29:37 | lostlogic | what if that track is still being read, but the user then skips back behind it on the buffer, now its on buffer information is not correct. |
| 23:30:11 | amiconn | skips back behind it? |
| 23:30:39 | lostlogic | amiconn: so there are 3 cases: 1) writing to a track that is not playing: just update the on buffer information 2) writing to a track that is playing, while its metadata is alive on the buffer, update two sets of metadata and 3) writing to a playing track whos metadata has been overwritten, write only to the off-buffer track struct |
| 23:30:53 | lostlogic | amiconn: the playback system supports skipping tracks backward and forward without rebuffering |
| 23:30:54 | amiconn | I would even think this special metadata slot is not a very special case, it would just be the head of the linked list at all times |
| 23:31:19 | lostlogic | no, the head of the linked list is the first metadata on buffer which may have been played some time ago |
| 23:31:22 | amiconn | lostlogic: My point is that (2) would never happen |
| 23:31:30 | lostlogic | 2 _happens_. |
| 23:31:34 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 23:31:47 | * | amiconn doesn't get it |
| 23:32:02 | amiconn | If the data is played, it's played, and invalidated |
| 23:32:08 | lostlogic | the linked list holds the metadata of all tracks currently on the buffer, that linked list may have nodes above and below the playing track. |
| 23:32:17 | lostlogic | this allowes skipping backward in the buffer without rebuffering. |
| 23:32:26 | amiconn | Ah, that one |
| 23:32:34 | * | amiconn didn't think of that |
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| 23:32:47 | amiconn | The hwcodec engine doesn't handle it this way |
| 23:32:56 | lostlogic | it doesn't have enough ram to worry about this kind of case |
| 23:33:01 | amiconn | Skipping backwards *always* rebuffers. Way simpler. |
| 23:33:37 | lostlogic | so, the result is that the case when there are no track structs on buffer, but we are playing and reading the same track must be handled. |
| 23:34:59 | amiconn | Well, I still don't see a real problem. Either the metadata of an earlier track is still on the buffer, or it's not. |
| 23:35:15 | amiconn | In the latter case I would treat the track as non-present, and just rebuffer |
| 23:36:04 | amiconn | ...execpt if it's the same track as the currently playing one, in which case the metadata is available in the 'metadata slot' |
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| 23:37:32 | lostlogic | and the number of excepts makes it ... fun (by some definition of fun) |
| 23:38:41 | amiconn | Well, the question is how much effort we want to put into the skip-back-w/o |
| 23:38:47 | amiconn | -rebuffer feature |
| 23:39:47 | amiconn | If we just count a track whose header is overwritten as invalidated, it shouldn't be too complex |
| 23:40:58 | lostlogic | *shrug* it's mostly written already... I'll start testing it tomorrow, and if it really sucks I'll start scope culling, but if it goes well, I'll keep all of the features I have planned. |
| 23:41:34 | amiconn | I would try to keep the number of exceptions down by all means |
| 23:41:46 | amiconn | That doesn't necessarily mean to drop features |
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| 23:43:01 | amiconn | The current method with the metadata array may allow more fine-grained reverse seeking, but otherwise it has many problems |
| 23:44:24 | amiconn | Also, don't forget that it's currently not possible to seek backwards *into* a previous track. Seeking works within the current track only, in order to get to other tracks you need to skip, and skipping means you need the start of the track |
| 23:45:02 | amiconn | ...so if you skip back and the start of the previous track (where the metadata would be located) if off-buffer, you need to rebuffer anyway |
| 23:45:21 | amiconn | s/if off-buffer/is off-buffer/ |
| 23:46:11 | petur | wheeee ... I think I've located (all) the isp1362 read/write functions, let's see what they're doing with them :D |
| 23:46:31 | * | petur wants to put Glen Moore on the credits list :P |
| 23:46:49 | petur | even if only 8 years old |
| 23:47:44 | midkay | who's that? |
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| 23:54:18 | petur | midkay: pure malt ;) |
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| 23:56:05 | midkay | petur, ah, i have to be very protective of my (i *think*) spot on the credits list as 'youngest' :) |
| 23:56:23 | petur | heh |
| 23:56:32 | mikolas | just came by to tell my thanks for sid support! |
| 23:57:13 | mikolas | this is something i've been wanting for ages for a portable player :-) |
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