| 00:00:00 | amiconn | lostlogic: Why not? |
| 00:00:03 | mikolas | preglow, the battery only lasts about 8 hours even with stock firmware |
| 00:00:05 | preglow | lostlogic: sure it is |
| 00:00:17 | amiconn | ida pro seems a bit lazy, bset to memory is always bset.b |
| 00:00:40 | lostlogic | register + offset indirect addressing... I must have missed that part of the course. |
| 00:00:53 | amiconn | (and coldfire doesn't care about alignment anyway) |
| 00:00:55 | petur | ha! |
| 00:01:35 | mikolas | hope arm assembler isn't too hard as coldfire felt familiar right away bcos of democoding for the amiga back in the days :-) |
| 00:01:49 | preglow | mikolas: arm asm is pretty easy |
| 00:02:03 | amiconn | Imho arm is more complex than both coldfire and sh1 |
| 00:02:04 | preglow | cf asm is harder |
| 00:02:12 | petur | that code comes from a read/modify/write to the isp1362 hardware config reg, and bit 3 means wakeup on CS :D hope this is it!!! |
| 00:02:13 | lostlogic | alright, I'm confused, if it's valid, how does it not set the 3rd bit of the byte above var2(a6)? |
| 00:02:16 | mikolas | pp has arm7 cores, right? |
| 00:02:23 | preglow | mikolas: yea |
| 00:02:32 | mikolas | ok, have to dig up some literature then |
| 00:02:41 | preglow | amiconn: how is it more complex? i think it's really simple and easy to remember |
| 00:02:51 | amiconn | lostlogic: coldfire is big endian |
| 00:03:08 | preglow | you need to think a bit to properly utilise the conditional instructions, but that's that |
| 00:03:08 | lostlogic | preglow: arm is just too long |
| 00:03:25 | amiconn | preglow: Way more instructions, 3 operands, ... |
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| 00:04:15 | amiconn | and the inverse operand order (dest, source) to all other asm dialects I know |
| 00:04:20 | mikolas | so it is like sparc or alpha then? |
| 00:04:25 | petur | I find it weird that they use bset iso OR |
| 00:04:28 | preglow | more? there's just30 or something |
| 00:04:35 | amiconn | Well, except Z80, but that was >15 years back... |
| 00:04:41 | preglow | amiconn: and x86 |
| 00:04:45 | mikolas | :) |
| 00:05:27 | preglow | but arm asm is pretty simple otherwise, few exceptions to remember and such |
| 00:05:33 | preglow | as opposed to with coldfire |
| 00:05:41 | preglow | though coldfire isn't really bad in that regard |
| 00:05:50 | mikolas | what is this stuff about pp having 2 cores? |
| 00:05:55 | lostlogic | mikolas: they do |
| 00:05:56 | preglow | well, just that |
| 00:05:58 | preglow | it's got two cores |
| 00:06:00 | mikolas | are they both really utilized? |
| 00:06:02 | preglow | no |
| 00:06:03 | preglow | not yet |
| 00:06:07 | preglow | we just sleep the second one |
| 00:06:10 | mikolas | ok |
| 00:06:14 | lostlogic | we assume that stock firmware uses the 2nd :) |
| 00:06:19 | mikolas | ha |
| 00:06:29 | bluebrother | RedBreva: nice work anyway. |
| 00:06:42 | amiconn | Slasheri: Did you speed up tagcache updates somehow? |
| 00:06:58 | * | amiconn got that impression during a full rebuild on archos |
| 00:07:07 | RedBreva | Thanks |
| 00:07:11 | bluebrother | I thought about converting the title image from png to jpg. Saves about 500kiB. |
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| 00:07:40 | RedBreva | A not insignificant saving!! |
| 00:07:58 | amiconn | jpg for line art? urgh |
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| 00:08:47 | bluebrother | it's already a bitmap format and looking at it (400% magnification) doesn't show any noteable difference to me. |
| 00:09:10 | midkay | bluebrother, talking about the large manual logo? |
| 00:09:15 | bluebrother | midkay: yes. |
| 00:09:26 | midkay | bluebrother, do you know how that was obtained? such a large copy? |
| 00:10:04 | bluebrother | no idea. But as there are only a few svg'ed versions around I assume it originally was a bitmap format. |
| 00:10:28 | midkay | do you have any links to svgs? |
| 00:10:56 | bluebrother | also afaik there is no way to use vector graphics in latex (except xfig, which can export pstricks) |
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| 00:11:30 | bluebrother | Rasher's site has two: rasher.dk/rockbox/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/ |
| 00:12:23 | midkay | bluebrother, thanks |
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| 00:13:23 | bluebrother | another one was posted on the users list (bw only): http://www.freewebs.com/joerch/rockbox_sw.svg |
| 00:13:33 | obo | lostlogic: should I be able to call copy_mp3entry multiple times against the same dest? |
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| 00:14:37 | RedBreva | night everyone, I need my beauty sleep... |
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| 00:20:14 | lostlogic | obo: ya mean overwriting one dest with new sources for each track? yes |
| 00:20:20 | preglow | blaargh |
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| 00:20:39 | obo | lostlogic: yup - seems to lock my 5g solid |
| 00:20:57 | lostlogic | obo: will investigate :( |
| 00:21:18 | obo | lostlogic: thanks |
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| 00:23:51 | lostlogic | obo: care to show me code? I see nothing in what I did that would cause death :-\ |
| 00:24:20 | twisted` | hey I have a few questions, someone here would mind answering them to me without sending me to the website and let me read through a lot of pages...? |
| 00:24:43 | lostlogic | twisted`: depends how obvious they are, if they are really obvious, you'll get RTFM'd, but if they aren't, people will try to help. :-D |
| 00:24:58 | twisted` | lostlogic: that is logical :P |
| 00:25:20 | amiconn | Hmm, my impression wasn't correct |
| 00:25:29 | bluebrother | hmm, using svg in latex seems to need a conversion before −− no svg capable output driver for pdf. |
| 00:25:30 | twisted` | I have an iPod Video 60gb, and I wanted to check out Rockbox, but... anyone in here having any experience with running it on that? |
| 00:25:32 | obo | lostlogic: http://pastebin.com/666040 (the .h is also changed - struct removed) |
| 00:25:43 | obo | lostlogic: am I doing something daft again? |
| 00:25:44 | twisted` | as in battery time... cause I read somewhere it drops from 20hrs to 5hrs |
| 00:25:53 | * | bluebrother asks himself when latex 3 will come out. |
| 00:26:11 | twisted` | bluebrother: I think never, LaTeX2 hasn';t been updated for a loooong while anyway |
| 00:26:14 | lostlogic | twisted`: not sure if it's that extreme, but yes, ipod battery life on rockbox is a lot less than on ipod firmware |
| 00:26:57 | twisted` | lostlogic: ok... how bout video capabilities? |
| 00:26:58 | preglow | bluebrother: around when hell has an ice age |
| 00:27:02 | lostlogic | obo: only slightly daft :-P remove the * from line 23, and add an & when you do the copy ;) |
| 00:27:04 | bluebrother | twisted`: at least there people working on it. It can only be decades ... ;-) |
| 00:27:12 | bluebrother | hehe. |
| 00:27:15 | preglow | bluebrother: or more likely, after hell has thawed up from its ice age |
| 00:27:26 | obo | lostlogic: lol, okay, cheers |
| 00:27:42 | lostlogic | obo: I'm sure you see why that's necessary? |
| 00:27:54 | obo | since we want a real copy? |
| 00:27:57 | bluebrother | Ice Age 2 just appeared in the movies here short ago. |
| 00:28:08 | bluebrother | I guess I'll need to go for it ;-) |
| 00:28:12 | obo | and not yet another pointer to something that'll disappear? |
| 00:28:38 | twisted` | ok... well I can reboot so that's not a real issue... k, can I use the existing music? |
| 00:28:42 | lostlogic | obo: more like you had a pointer to the ether before, and now you have a solid place to put your copy. |
| 00:28:48 | twisted` | or do I have to put it on the iPod on a different way? |
| 00:29:17 | lostlogic | struct mp3entry scrobbler_entry; allocates a sizeof(struct mp3entry) area of ram, sturct mp3entry *scrobbler_entry; does no such allocation |
| 00:29:51 | preglow | arhrrhrhhr |
| 00:29:59 | preglow | it seems i need two additional registers :/// |
| 00:30:00 | petur | twisted`: you can rearrange it or use tagcache in RB |
| 00:30:26 | obo | lostlogic: okay, thanks - makes sense |
| 00:30:51 | twisted` | petur: tagcache in RB? |
| 00:31:09 | petur | browse by tags |
| 00:31:37 | bluebrother | ok, I'm thinking about the frontpage image later. Need to go now. |
| 00:31:43 | warthawg | can i just format my ipodlinux partition as a fat32 file system and use it with rockbox? |
| 00:31:51 | twisted` | petur: hmm, doesn't the iPod firmware keep the songs in a diff location? |
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| 00:32:11 | warthawg | or should i delete that partition and grow the fat32 fs to include the space? |
| 00:32:36 | petur | twisted`: Rb tagcache scans all files and puts them in a database that you can browse (artist -> album -> song) |
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| 00:34:49 | twisted` | petur: can it copy the existing iTunes db? |
| 00:34:55 | petur | nope |
| 00:35:00 | twisted` | holy... |
| 00:35:06 | twisted` | that would mean... redoing 60gb music |
| 00:35:11 | petur | nah |
| 00:35:45 | petur | rb had its own db and keeps it up to date automatically |
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| 00:36:15 | petur | to be honest, I haven't used this feature myself :) |
| 00:40:27 | sharpe | neither have i... |
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| 00:40:40 | twisted` | lol |
| 00:41:13 | lostlogic | It is somewhat problematic that there are some features that none of the devs really use |
| 00:41:31 | petur | hehe |
| 00:41:33 | sharpe | i imagine not... |
| 00:41:47 | petur | what playback? |
| 00:42:02 | sharpe | file browser? what file browser? |
| 00:42:12 | petur | what doom? |
| 00:42:21 | sharpe | what menu? |
| 00:42:37 | sharpe | headphones? ppsch. |
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| 00:43:03 | sharpe | i'll stick to the good ol' magnet, coil of wire, and cup. |
| 00:43:11 | sharpe | even though that's not a rockbox feature. |
| 00:43:56 | sharpe | it's kind of pointless to defrag a flash based storage device. |
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| 00:45:26 | sharpe | i think i'm done with the funny now. |
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| 00:47:55 | * | petur adds isp1362 init code to main() and hopes the bloody chip will answer when spoken to |
| 00:48:11 | sharpe | if not, smack it into submission. |
| 00:49:24 | lostlogic | petur: that's in the H3x0? You going to give us keyboard input on H3x0? :) |
| 00:49:48 | petur | if only that &^%$#$ controller would answer me |
| 00:50:05 | petur | i simply cannot access its registers :( |
| 00:50:09 | twisted` | anyone have a "screenshot" of rockbox on an iPod? |
| 00:50:17 | petur | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagrh |
| 00:50:49 | sharpe | aren't there any on the wps gallery? |
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| 00:51:02 | twisted` | sharpe: hmm, let me try to find that |
| 00:52:04 | twisted` | sharpe: what's the wps gallery 'n where can I find it |
| 00:52:13 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 00:52:39 | sharpe | then http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g for the video... |
| 00:53:08 | twisted` | wow |
| 00:53:09 | twisted` | ok |
| 00:53:12 | twisted` | I did not expect that... |
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| 00:53:52 | petur | we should put a link to it on the front page (in a big font) to solve these 'can I have my screenshot now' questions |
| 00:54:11 | twisted` | yup... |
| 00:54:17 | twisted` | it should be on the frontpage |
| 00:54:21 | twisted` | cus I google image searched |
| 00:54:24 | twisted` | 'n found these... |
| 00:54:29 | twisted` | crappy gameboy like shit |
| 00:54:31 | lostlogic | what do people not understand about "We don't have screenshots, because it's totally customizeable and any screen shot would give a false impression" |
| 00:54:33 | twisted` | 'n this is just fuckin awesome |
| 00:54:51 | twisted` | I mean this shit almost makes me fap fap |
| 00:54:53 | * | twisted` gonna install it |
| 00:54:57 | lostlogic | lol |
| 00:55:09 | twisted` | fuck I don't need any of the new options probably... just want... the interface |
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| 00:55:27 | petur | twisted`: do read the manual (as a teaser: it's full of screenshots) |
| 00:55:47 | * | twisted` faps more |
| 00:55:51 | lostlogic | I should read the manual one day... |
| 00:56:06 | * | petur looks at the isp1362 and gets a large hammer |
| 00:56:14 | twisted` | time to tell my pc to play music |
| 00:56:16 | * | twisted` fires up xmms |
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| 00:58:03 | petur | I do hope this chip doesn't want that configuration done within xx ms after powerup or I'll have to mess with the bootloader :( |
| 00:58:13 | twisted` | btw |
| 00:58:15 | twisted` | how big is the risk |
| 00:58:17 | twisted` | I blow up my iPod |
| 00:58:19 | petur | none |
| 00:58:22 | twisted` | hmm |
| 00:58:23 | lostlogic | zero brick ratio to date |
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| 00:58:33 | lostlogic | but nobody should claim zero risk :) |
| 00:58:38 | petur | do backup your music |
| 00:58:56 | twisted` | /exec -o ls -lhR /WD200GB-2/music |
| 00:58:57 | twisted` | rofl |
| 00:59:03 | twisted` | /exec -o ls -lhR /WD200GB-1/music |
| 00:59:21 | twisted` | -!- Tobu [n=g2p@nea78-1-82-242-101-49.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 00:59:22 | twisted` | rofl |
| 00:59:23 | twisted` | uh |
| 00:59:26 | twisted` | I meant twisted |
| 00:59:26 | twisted` | :D |
| 00:59:27 | twisted` | oh well |
| 00:59:55 | warthawg | if i delete the linux partition from my ipod nano, and use that space for a new fat32 partition, will rockbox see it? |
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| 01:00:20 | twisted` | man... |
| 01:00:27 | petur | rb only uses the primary partition iirc |
| 01:00:35 | twisted` | I was gonna read UNIX Network Programming Vol1 |
| 01:00:37 | twisted` | but... |
| 01:00:42 | twisted` | instead I'm gonna install Rockbox |
| 01:01:29 | preglow | bodes better for your future sanity |
| 01:01:35 | petur | twisted`: before you get disappointed, the album art stuff isn't in the main code yet.... |
| 01:02:10 | warthawg | twisted: part 1, introduction. When writing programs that communication across a computer network, one must first invent a protocol... |
| 01:02:27 | warthawg | oops, communicate, not communication |
| 01:02:42 | warthawg | thanks, petur |
| 01:02:53 | twisted` | When writing programs that communicate across a computer network, one must first invent a protocol, an agreement on how those programs will communicate. Before delving into the design details of a protocol, high-level decisions must be made about which program is expected to initiate communication and when responses are expected. For example, a Web server is typically thought of as a long-running program (or daemon) that sends network me |
| 01:03:00 | * | twisted` pets the CHM |
| 01:03:01 | warthawg | heh |
| 01:03:13 | twisted` | warthawg: want it? |
| 01:03:18 | warthawg | CHM? |
| 01:03:23 | twisted` | petur: i'll probably grab bleeding edge code |
| 01:03:24 | warthawg | i have a hard copy |
| 01:03:30 | twisted` | warthawg: CHM always handy |
| 01:03:32 | petur | you do that |
| 01:03:45 | twisted` | petur: I like livin on the edge :) |
| 01:03:58 | petur | and come around daily for a new version :D |
| 01:04:16 | twisted` | ipod_fw? |
| 01:04:18 | twisted` | wtf... |
| 01:04:32 | sharpe | programie |
| 01:05:33 | sharpe | yay |
| 01:06:04 | twisted` | actually I should install NetBSD for the true nerd factor... |
| 01:06:09 | twisted` | on my iPod that is |
| 01:06:19 | sharpe | you do that. |
| 01:06:27 | twisted` | "What does it do?" "Nothin" "So the point is?" "There is none, it just... you know... boots..." |
| 01:06:45 | * | petur sees copyricht violation |
| 01:07:02 | petur | copyright even |
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| 01:07:17 | sharpe | kind of like the c64 emulator i'm working on for rockbox. doesn't do anything significant, but some keyboard input is possible... |
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| 01:07:25 | twisted` | C codes doesn't look harmful, let's run it |
| 01:07:26 | twisted` | whehehe |
| 01:08:11 | twisted` | petur: copyright violation? where? |
| 01:08:24 | petur | 'you do that' ^^ |
| 01:08:42 | sharpe | ;) |
| 01:08:56 | sharpe | it'd be trademark violation, wouldn't it? |
| 01:09:03 | petur | whatever |
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| 01:09:14 | sharpe | yeah, you get 'you do that' i get, 'you do that.' |
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| 01:09:33 | twisted` | ya'll confuse me... |
| 01:09:34 | twisted` | btw |
| 01:09:42 | twisted` | what the hell do I do if I totally fucked up my iPod |
| 01:09:49 | sharpe | restore it... |
| 01:09:49 | twisted` | start cryin 'n goto the Apple Center? |
| 01:10:00 | petur | apple has this ipod repair thingy |
| 01:10:03 | muesli__ | get an iriver |
| 01:10:09 | muesli__ | a real dap :p |
| 01:10:10 | petur | you download from their site |
| 01:10:13 | twisted` | muesli__: whoa don't say scary shit there |
| 01:10:13 | twisted` | :P |
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| 01:10:28 | sharpe | it's part of the ipod firmware updater too. |
| 01:10:34 | * | petur hugs his h340 |
| 01:10:35 | twisted` | http://screenshots.bastardoperatorfromhell.org/iPod/ <3 |
| 01:11:03 | muesli__ | if ur in danger or in doubt run in circles scream and shout |
| 01:12:09 | muesli__ | support piracy..thats neat |
| 01:12:14 | twisted` | booyah |
| 01:12:15 | twisted` | :D |
| 01:12:20 | twisted` | I loved unwrapping it |
| 01:12:27 | twisted` | the seal said: DO NOT STEAL MUSIC |
| 01:12:33 | twisted` | and underneat engraved: SUPPORT PIRACY |
| 01:12:50 | muesli__ | how did you do that? attended a tattoo maker? |
| 01:13:01 | twisted` | like they said: PC users watch sex on their computers, Apple users have sex with their computers |
| 01:13:10 | twisted` | muesli__: nope, you can do that online at their store |
| 01:13:25 | sharpe | i've my name engraved. |
| 01:13:44 | muesli__ | i would have written "jobs suxxx" |
| 01:14:04 | twisted` | pff friend of mine wanted to engrave: JOBS MEIN FUHRER |
| 01:14:06 | sharpe | "This Ipod Belongs To God." |
| 01:14:31 | sharpe | but, why all caps... |
| 01:14:42 | twisted` | I have a comment to make about the installation manual |
| 01:14:49 | twisted` | the "Enter" [code] part |
| 01:14:52 | twisted` | is in the same font... |
| 01:14:55 | sharpe | and we've got manuals to defend! |
| 01:15:00 | muesli__ | twisted` donate him an ü and try committing suicide |
| 01:15:32 | twisted` | a what?! |
| 01:15:40 | sharpe | umulat |
| 01:15:43 | sharpe | umulaut |
| 01:15:55 | twisted` | Enter dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin to extract the boot partition to your hard disk. This is typically around 40MB-80MB but less than 10MB will be used. << my file is 110mb |
| 01:15:57 | sharpe | umlaut. |
| 01:16:08 | muesli__ | sharpe bingo ;) |
| 01:16:25 | sharpe | thank you google and the "did you mean: " |
| 01:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted': 5G 60GB? |
| 01:17:08 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: yup |
| 01:17:18 | sharpe | teehee. |
| 01:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: They're the exception. Their bootpartition.bin is bigger. Basically it includes space to store the contents of RAM while sleeping. Since they have twice the RAM, they need a bit more space, if I understand |
| 01:18:20 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: sounds logical |
| 01:18:27 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: how much RAM it uses anyway? or flash memory |
| 01:18:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: And 80+32 ~112. :) |
| 01:18:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: The 5G 60gb has 64 mb ram, I believe all other ipods have 32 |
| 01:19:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: In most cases this is primarily used as an audio buffer so the HD doesn't have to spin up as often. |
| 01:19:47 | twisted` | ya sometimes ya can hear it spin... |
| 01:19:47 | twisted` | whehehe |
| 01:20:33 | twisted` | WTF |
| 01:20:35 | twisted` | ok |
| 01:20:38 | twisted` | real bad comment ehre people |
| 01:20:42 | twisted` | I'm followin it in steps |
| 01:20:48 | twisted` | and underneat it says: NOTE IPOD VIDEO USERS... |
| 01:20:53 | twisted` | damnit, gotta start over |
| 01:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Anyway, in response to the question about screwing up your ipod, you *can't* with just Rockbox really, so if you think you have the first step would be to come here so we can tell you how to fix it. :) |
| 01:21:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Which note? |
| 01:21:50 | twisted` | # Write the new boot partition image back to the iPod: dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1 |
| 01:21:51 | petur | and don't thow it through the window ;) |
| 01:21:53 | twisted` | # NOTE: iPod Video users should use the option "-g 5g" and you will need a copy of the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file that you extracted in step 2 in the current directory when running ipod_fw |
| 01:21:57 | twisted` | shouldn't it be the other way around? |
| 01:21:57 | twisted` | lol |
| 01:22:00 | twisted` | already fixed it but still |
| 01:22:01 | twisted` | lol |
| 01:22:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, that hardly makes you start over anyway. |
| 01:22:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:22:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: What page are you reading? |
| 01:22:54 | twisted` | meh just that thing |
| 01:23:01 | twisted` | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 01:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, Linux |
| 01:23:09 | twisted` | sweet |
| 01:23:11 | twisted` | it boots |
| 01:23:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was like, on our main installation page it says to use -g video |
| 01:23:45 | twisted` | video worked too it seemed |
| 01:23:49 | twisted` | I did that and it gave the same message |
| 01:23:54 | twisted` | but I just went paranoid for a sec :) |
| 01:25:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Anyway, page updated to be slightly more clear. |
| 01:26:38 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: sweet |
| 01:26:51 | * | twisted` pets Paul_The_Nerd |
| 01:26:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 01:27:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you could've fixed it too, being a Wiki 'n all. |
| 01:27:25 | twisted` | ah, I thought it was special users online |
| 01:27:26 | twisted` | only* |
| 01:27:29 | twisted` | wow |
| 01:27:29 | twisted` | ok |
| 01:27:33 | twisted` | the menu of rockbox suprises me |
| 01:27:41 | twisted` | it looks... crappy... I can fix that right :P |
| 01:27:46 | twisted` | tho it's low level |
| 01:27:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can change it's font. |
| 01:27:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you can give it a backdrop image |
| 01:28:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's about the limit of what you can do to the actual menu at the moment. Nobody's really put work into making it skinnable or anything, as most of the focus is on audio features, and to a lesser extent, the customizability of the While Playing Screen |
| 01:28:42 | twisted` | ahhh |
| 01:28:42 | twisted` | k |
| 01:28:52 | VoltageX | well I woulda thought simple was better with non-bitmap players |
| 01:29:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, font, backdrop image, background color (if no image), and font/foreground color |
| 01:29:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Yes, and simple it shall remain on the non-bitmap players. But you can leave it simple, but allow some customization on bitmapped players still. |
| 01:30:10 | VoltageX | must...resist..urge...pr0n backdrop |
| 01:30:26 | twisted` | VoltageX: totally gonna |
| 01:30:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, I think it'd be kinda neat to, as a third line selector option to go along with the arrow and the inverse, is a different font, so you can basically have the selected line bigger. |
| 01:30:26 | twisted` | rofl |
| 01:30:42 | twisted` | or I'm gonna go black background |
| 01:30:44 | twisted` | green letters |
| 01:30:46 | twisted` | yup |
| 01:30:49 | twisted` | first gotta rtfm |
| 01:30:54 | twisted` | to figure out HOW THE HELL IT WORKS |
| 01:31:09 | VoltageX | make sure you don't set black on black accidentally |
| 01:31:34 | twisted` | I don't see... |
| 01:31:36 | twisted` | ipod... |
| 01:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm? |
| 01:31:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 01:32:01 | ze | yeah, you don't want your controls to be labled in black on a black background with a black light that lights up black to let you know you've pressed it |
| 01:32:14 | | Nick no is now known as Jaguar (n=dufus@12-219-93-249.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:32:23 | | Nick Jaguar is now known as Jaguar77 (n=dufus@12-219-93-249.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:32:40 | twisted` | ahhh |
| 01:32:45 | twisted` | figures |
| 01:34:15 | twisted` | voice?! |
| 01:34:16 | twisted` | WTF! |
| 01:34:22 | twisted` | IT CAN TALK TO ME!?!?! |
| 01:34:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 01:34:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it requires pre-generated voice files |
| 01:34:47 | VoltageX | twisted`: if you can tell me how to make that work on the CVS build, I'll be very happy |
| 01:35:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
| 01:35:07 | twisted` | VoltageX: dude I just like... booted it for the first time |
| 01:35:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Download one of the two CVS voice files, and put it in /.rockbox/lang |
| 01:35:19 | VoltageX | lol I know |
| 01:35:34 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: which one doesn't sound crap? |
| 01:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: I thought you said "Make it work." There's a difference between "Making it work" and "Having voices that sound GOOD" |
| 01:36:22 | VoltageX | ...lol |
| 01:36:26 | VoltageX | MS Mike |
| 01:36:29 | twisted` | roflmfao |
| 01:36:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | The AT&T ones sounded really good, but there's a bit of a license question at the moment |
| 01:37:05 | VoltageX | twisted`: omfgwtfbbqlolkthxbye |
| 01:37:35 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: put on your eyepatch and parrot and then the issue goes away ;) |
| 01:38:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but the thing is that the license seems to say we CAN use 'em, so it'd be nice to have it sorted properly and all that jazz. |
| 01:38:23 | sharpe | you don't wear a parrot... |
| 01:38:46 | VoltageX | sharpe: I do |
| 01:39:07 | twisted` | how... can I like... find my already existing music... |
| 01:39:09 | twisted` | or can';t it... |
| 01:39:16 | twisted` | they;re mp3\s... |
| 01:39:20 | sharpe | ... i'm not talking to you anymore then. |
| 01:39:38 | * | VoltageX cries |
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| 01:40:12 | sharpe | yeah, because it's so important i say things to people. me and my apparently, non-comical witty sarcastic comments. |
| 01:40:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: While the topic of voice is up: If I have voice enabled, it works. I then start playback, and it still works. Then I stop playback, and the voice stops reading things to me. Just a heads up. |
| 01:40:21 | petur | twisted`: if you're keeping your stuff the way apple copied it, you'll need to use tagcache |
| 01:40:41 | VoltageX | sheesh that's about 20 hours now of processing gone into ReplayGain tags... |
| 01:40:43 | petur | enable it and set file view to id3 |
| 01:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Itunes hides your music all over the place with crazy filenames. Have our database scan it and present a nice friendly Artist/Album/Genre menu, see here for how: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache :-P |
| 01:41:30 | * | petur bows to great support chief |
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| 01:42:09 | twisted` | wtf |
| 01:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Winged Tortoises are flying? |
| 01:42:37 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: man u should like do user support |
| 01:42:41 | sharpe | they're such crazy filenames, they senient. |
| 01:42:47 | sharpe | they're... |
| 01:43:03 | mikolas | preglow, the second core in pp appears as a coprocessor for the primary core? |
| 01:43:22 | VoltageX | sharpe: I haven't touched iTunes since it tried to "organise" a large mp3 collection of mine |
| 01:43:39 | mikolas | that's at least what i understood from pp's product briefs |
| 01:43:45 | twisted` | wtf |
| 01:43:51 | twisted` | I accidently started a game of jewels |
| 01:43:54 | twisted` | 'n I got no fuckin idea |
| 01:43:56 | twisted` | howto quit it |
| 01:43:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: If you go into the forums, 1 in every 20 posts is mine. I have too much spare time, and I'm really not good enough of a programmer to contribute in that way, so support it is. |
| 01:44:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Menu+Select |
| 01:44:25 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, well figures :) |
| 01:44:42 | | Join powers [0] (n=gentoo@ppp95-191.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 01:45:12 | powers | hi |
| 01:45:16 | twisted` | wow |
| 01:45:17 | powers | is anyone here? |
| 01:45:22 | twisted` | hd starts to spin |
| 01:45:26 | sharpe | yes. |
| 01:45:38 | twisted` | badly |
| 01:45:41 | * | twisted` puts it on the desk |
| 01:45:43 | twisted` | nice ipod |
| 01:45:45 | powers | can u guys help me out with doom installation? |
| 01:45:47 | twisted` | don't explode |
| 01:45:51 | sharpe | with rockbox? |
| 01:45:51 | powers | on ipod |
| 01:45:52 | twisted` | doom?! |
| 01:45:54 | twisted` | I can like |
| 01:45:55 | powers | yeah |
| 01:45:56 | twisted` | doom?! |
| 01:46:02 | twisted` | doom?! |
| 01:46:03 | petur | hahaha |
| 01:46:04 | sharpe | what do you need help with? |
| 01:46:12 | twisted` | omg |
| 01:46:13 | twisted` | hax |
| 01:46:35 | powers | i've followed the instructions but the're not seem to work properly |
| 01:46:44 | | Quit petur ("oh no, not doom again!") |
| 01:46:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: The instructions where? And what error do you get? |
| 01:46:53 | sharpe | do you get an error message when you try to start doom? |
| 01:46:54 | powers | anyone who managed to install it? |
| 01:46:59 | powers | yep |
| 01:47:15 | twisted` | when do I know it's done... tag-caching? |
| 01:47:32 | twisted` | ah 5-10min |
| 01:47:33 | twisted` | damn |
| 01:47:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: There's an icon in the upper right corner next to the clock that flashes to represent disk access. When it's done going crazy |
| 01:47:49 | sharpe | powers: what would that error be? |
| 01:47:55 | powers | it says No base wads found |
| 01:48:11 | twisted` | I need to increase that icon size |
| 01:48:11 | sharpe | did you put your doom wads in /games/doom ? |
| 01:48:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Where *exactly* did you put rockdoom.wad, and whatever real doom wad? |
| 01:48:13 | twisted` | 'n font size |
| 01:48:14 | twisted` | like |
| 01:48:16 | twisted` | *lazy* |
| 01:48:21 | powers | and i have copy it into my games dir |
| 01:48:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Menu, General Settings, Display, Browse fonts by the way. |
| 01:49:10 | twisted` | ah don't have to like |
| 01:49:11 | twisted` | connect it |
| 01:49:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: X:\Games\Doom\rockdoom.wad and X:\Games\Doom\doom1.wad (or doom.wad, or doom2.wad or doomu.wad, or tnt.wad, or plutonia.wad?) |
| 01:49:14 | twisted` | I can like do it on teh roooaad |
| 01:49:15 | powers | i've downloaded rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad: Doom (Shareware) |
| 01:49:32 | sharpe | i think you're right, plutonia... |
| 01:49:43 | powers | and they are both in the same dir |
| 01:49:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: The question mark was just because the whole thing was a question. It's definitely plutonia. |
| 01:49:57 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: what kind of fonts are they? |
| 01:49:57 | sharpe | grr. |
| 01:49:57 | twisted` | ttf? |
| 01:49:59 | sharpe | you. |
| 01:50:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: BDF, I believe. |
| 01:50:08 | sharpe | heh... |
| 01:50:10 | twisted` | what the... |
| 01:50:12 | VoltageX | twisted`: bdf & fnt |
| 01:50:17 | powers | dang |
| 01:50:17 | twisted` | so I can't put my horny ass Helvetica on it |
| 01:50:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: "same dir" doesn't tell us anything. |
| 01:50:20 | sharpe | and qvc. |
| 01:50:36 | sharpe | and hsn. |
| 01:50:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: There's a tool to convert BDF to our format, so anything you can convert to BDF should work. |
| 01:51:08 | powers | i have created a dir in the root h:\games\doom |
| 01:51:18 | powers | and puted the two files there |
| 01:51:30 | sharpe | and they're in the 'doom' folder, correct? |
| 01:51:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, H:\games\doom\doom1.wad and H:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad |
| 01:51:38 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: ah k |
| 01:51:42 | twisted` | found a nice font |
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| 01:51:54 | twisted` | helvR12 |
| 01:52:11 | powers | after that i'm going to browse plugins and select doom |
| 01:52:26 | powers | that's exactly following the instructions |
| 01:52:38 | powers | i don't know what the heck i'm doing wrong |
| 01:53:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Double check that the files actually have the .wad extension, and that there are no typos in *any* of the file or folder names. That error means that it can't find them where they're supposed to be, so something's wrong with your path. |
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| 01:53:32 | twisted` | l33t |
| 01:53:35 | twisted` | green on black |
| 01:53:46 | powers | what if i don't create the doom directory |
| 01:53:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it won't work. |
| 01:54:11 | powers | yeah.. but it doesn't seems to work otherwise too |
| 01:54:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, putting them intentionally in the wrong place won't make things better. |
| 01:54:28 | sharpe | powers, the wads are in the doom directory, aren't they? |
| 01:54:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's something wrong with either your files, your filenames, or your folder names |
| 01:54:45 | twisted` | wtf |
| 01:54:50 | twisted` | "Battery Capacity" ??? |
| 01:55:02 | sharpe | not very important... |
| 01:55:04 | powers | dunno |
| 01:55:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Used for estimating the remaining time, so it can show you Xh, XXm in the WPS |
| 01:55:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: You don't know? |
| 01:55:29 | sharpe | well... try checking. |
| 01:55:41 | twisted` | wtf |
| 01:55:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Do you have exactly H:\games\doom\doom1.wad and H:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad |
| 01:55:54 | sharpe | you like that acronym don't you twisted`? |
| 01:56:03 | twisted` | sharpe: pff yeha man... |
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| 01:56:07 | sharpe | :D |
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| 01:56:15 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: uh?! I can change my battery stuff? |
| 01:56:20 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: shouldn't it like... detect it? |
| 01:56:31 | sharpe | it's just for estimating battery usage |
| 01:56:38 | sharpe | has nothing to do with the battery. |
| 01:56:47 | sharpe | ahh!! |
| 01:57:02 | powers | god damn |
| 01:57:11 | powers | it says the same crap again |
| 01:57:17 | powers | no base wads found |
| 01:57:19 | powers | crap |
| 01:57:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: What did you do different? |
| 01:57:25 | * | twisted` confused |
| 01:57:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: You've stopped answering questions. |
| 01:57:59 | powers | well now i've tried everything |
| 01:58:20 | gursikh | . |
| 01:58:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Rockbox can estimate how much time is left by your battery voltage, but needs to know the mah capacity of the battery |
| 01:58:37 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, where can I find that? |
| 01:58:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: "everything" tells me nothing. I know you haven't tried the RIGHT thing, because it works for me and doesn't work for you. |
| 01:59:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: You've got an iPod, so don't worry about it right now. We don't have good estimation in place yet for it, so it doesn't matter if you have the right value |
| 01:59:13 | twisted` | man 10min... still not done tag-caching... |
| 01:59:27 | VoltageX | twisted`: how many tracks do you have? |
| 02:00 |
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| 02:00:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Not only does it work for me, but I've talked countless people through getting it working, and I can talk you through it if you'll just answer some question so we can check things, instead of simply complaining, and stating that you've tried everything. |
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| 02:00:49 | powers | ok paul.. i'm sorry |
| 02:01:01 | powers | right lets take it from the beggining |
| 02:01:12 | twisted` | omg... pong crashed |
| 02:01:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: So, the first thing I want you to do is browse to where you've got the doom1.wad, so that you can see it in explorer |
| 02:01:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Then, copy the contents of the bar at the top of the screen, that shows the full path, here so we can see where it is. |
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| 02:01:37 | | Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) |
| 02:01:55 | * | midkay adds that you may need to right-click the toolbars and check "Address Bar" |
| 02:02:08 | midkay | not on by default in XP, i'm quite sure.. |
| 02:02:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's on by default in windows though, right? |
| 02:02:15 | | Quit piroko (Client Quit) |
| 02:02:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Hm. I know I didn't enable mine, but it's there. |
| 02:02:25 | midkay | i had to enable it myself recently, and never touched it before, so i think it's off by default. |
| 02:02:32 | midkay | hm hm hm :) |
| 02:03:08 | twisted` | damn |
| 02:03:14 | twisted` | I can't exit spacerock |
| 02:03:14 | Moos | bye all ! |
| 02:03:24 | | Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") |
| 02:03:45 | twisted` | 0_o |
| 02:03:47 | twisted` | how... |
| 02:03:47 | midkay | it's rather weird, try select+menu, menu+select over and over a few times.. |
| 02:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Most exits are Menu, Select, Menu+Select, or hold one of those two for ~3-4 seconds |
| 02:03:49 | VoltageX | we've created RockBox fanbois! |
| 02:03:50 | * | twisted` throws out iPod |
| 02:04:08 | powers | it's going to sound really odd, but i can't browse the wads on my ipod, i can see the files.. |
| 02:04:13 | twisted` | won't menu+select |
| 02:04:15 | twisted` | reboot my ipod |
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| 02:04:25 | midkay | not if you don't hold it for 4-5s. |
| 02:04:41 | twisted` | k |
| 02:04:44 | twisted` | Ipod went out |
| 02:04:47 | twisted` | fuckin... |
| 02:04:49 | twisted` | oh well |
| 02:04:52 | twisted` | out of the game anyway |
| 02:04:53 | twisted` | bad game |
| 02:04:55 | * | twisted` smacks it |
| 02:04:58 | powers | is there anyway that rockbox can destroy ipod? |
| 02:05:00 | midkay | gr8 game! |
| 02:05:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: No. |
| 02:05:20 | midkay | powers, on occasion we've had reports of spontaneous combustion, but it seems rather rare. |
| 02:05:27 | midkay | no. no. no. i'm kidding. sorry. please don't leave. :( |
| 02:05:27 | twisted` | gitta rerun force tag update |
| 02:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, Menu+Select exited it for me. |
| 02:05:49 | powers | anyway... i still can't get doom working |
| 02:05:53 | twisted` | sudden combustion of my ipod |
| 02:05:53 | twisted` | man |
| 02:05:57 | twisted` | people would sooo die |
| 02:06:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: You still didn't copy the contents of your address bar here for us, like I asked. |
| 02:06:07 | powers | as i said i tried to browse to my games\doom dir |
| 02:06:13 | powers | and thew files are not there |
| 02:06:18 | twisted` | I like the green... |
| 02:06:19 | twisted` | <3 |
| 02:06:21 | midkay | is "show files" "all"? |
| 02:06:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you probably need to put them there |
| 02:06:25 | sharpe | try putting the files there. |
| 02:06:33 | powers | yes i've allready done that |
| 02:06:38 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:06:42 | midkay | sharpe. |
| 02:06:45 | powers | i can see them on windows |
| 02:06:45 | midkay | you're such a nut. |
| 02:06:46 | twisted` | during force cache update bla... can I browse stuff already? |
| 02:06:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: And I meant browse there in windows, so you can copy the contents of the address bar to us. |
| 02:07:03 | midkay | twisted`, you kinda need to reboot to get it fully working, but you may be able to.. |
| 02:07:18 | powers | i can browse the files in windows but not in rockbox browser |
| 02:07:35 | twisted` | sooo basicly... when I let it run... |
| 02:07:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: They won't be visible in Rockbox unless you have it set to show all files. |
| 02:07:41 | twisted` | I got 'n whack off for 45min |
| 02:07:46 | twisted` | 'n when I come back.. it should be done |
| 02:07:57 | powers | h:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad h:\games\doom\doom1.wad |
| 02:08:25 | powers | that's what i've done |
| 02:08:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Now see, that's not a paste of the contents of your address bar, that's you typing it here, which isn't what I asked for. |
| 02:08:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Sometimes people overlook their own typos, which is what it still seems likely the problem is somewhere. |
| 02:09:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | powers: Actually, just to be safe, also, how old is your version of rockbox? |
| 02:09:31 | sharpe | heh. |
| 02:09:56 | powers | i've download it yesterday |
| 02:10:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 02:10:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now, about copying and pasting that address bar? |
| 02:10:15 | | Quit mikolas ("Leaving") |
| 02:10:47 | powers | H:\3.Games\doom |
| 02:10:53 | sharpe | what's the 3. for? |
| 02:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, that 3. doesn't clue you off that something's wrong? |
| 02:11:06 | powers | why? |
| 02:11:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as the instructions say pretty clearly \Games\Doom without a 3... |
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| 02:11:29 | powers | i've categorised my contents |
| 02:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:11:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe you have |
| 02:11:41 | sharpe | try removing the 3. ... |
| 02:11:45 | powers | ok |
| 02:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the instructions say "put it in \games\doom\ |
| 02:11:49 | ashridah | "hi, i moved all of my .exe files into a directory called C:/exe/ and now my pc won't boot" |
| 02:11:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you told us it was in H:\games\doom\ |
| 02:11:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which was a LIE |
| 02:12:05 | sharpe | paul doesn't like liars. |
| 02:12:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really don't |
| 02:12:17 | ze | heh |
| 02:12:19 | ze | that was awesome |
| 02:12:25 | ze | "i've catagorized my contents" |
| 02:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's quite frustrating when someone tells you they followed the instructions exactly and it doesn't work, and then it turns out they changed the instructions and think that they haven't done anything wrong. |
| 02:13:29 | ze | doesn't everything magically know that you put stuff somewhere other than where it expects it?!!! |
| 02:13:52 | sharpe | heh... |
| 02:14:33 | twisted` | my ipod is runnin hot |
| 02:14:38 | * | twisted` has the feeling it will like |
| 02:14:40 | twisted` | go up in flames |
| 02:14:46 | sharpe | try cooling it :D |
| 02:14:53 | sharpe | or, take it off the grill... |
| 02:14:55 | twisted` | considerin... |
| 02:14:59 | sharpe | or, out of the microwave... |
| 02:15:11 | sharpe | or, more likely the oven. |
| 02:15:13 | sharpe | or fire |
| 02:15:21 | sharpe | or, ya know, anything that's warm. |
| 02:15:22 | ashridah | put it in your PANTS! |
| 02:15:37 | powers | you were right paul |
| 02:15:45 | sharpe | of course, because that's the same effect as a block of ice. |
| 02:15:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, the instructions were right. |
| 02:15:55 | powers | sorry for beeing an asshole |
| 02:16:00 | powers | :P |
| 02:16:03 | powers | thanx |
| 02:16:05 | | Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") |
| 02:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's generally a good idea to follow them literally to make sure things work, before you experiment |
| 02:16:15 | * | twisted` goes 'n reads bash |
| 02:16:21 | powers | yep |
| 02:16:24 | powers | thanx again |
| 02:16:25 | sharpe | qdb.us yay! |
| 02:16:31 | powers | it runs smoothly now |
| 02:16:34 | powers | :) |
| 02:16:35 | powers | see ya |
| 02:17:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bye |
| 02:17:32 | | Quit powers () |
| 02:17:38 | * | Paul_The_Nerd beats his head on the desk. |
| 02:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay. |
| 02:17:48 | sharpe | heh |
| 02:18:30 | * | twisted` gives Paul_The_Nerd a cookie |
| 02:19:04 | twisted` | how long it actually take for it to cache-tag 60gb |
| 02:19:09 | twisted` | well 50gb music |
| 02:19:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depends on a lot of random things |
| 02:19:12 | VoltageX | ok, so we have Rockbox fanbois and noobs too |
| 02:19:27 | sharpe | such as, position of the celestial bodies. |
| 02:19:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Sometimes you can check TagCache status in the Debug menu under the Info menu to see how much it's done, but that doesn't always work |
| 02:20:07 | twisted` | 100% it says |
| 02:20:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but the disk is still spinning? |
| 02:20:48 | twisted` | pss |
| 02:20:52 | twisted` | like a mother fucker on crack |
| 02:20:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 02:21:08 | sharpe | so, like, a crack father? |
| 02:21:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, dunno then. I've only had the percentage be reliable on my H120. I've heard of people seeing several thousand percent on an iPod before |
| 02:21:21 | twisted` | or just some perverted crackhead |
| 02:21:27 | twisted` | rofl |
| 02:21:29 | sharpe | yeah, i've had a few thousand percent... |
| 02:21:54 | twisted` | I still don't get it |
| 02:21:58 | twisted` | bash < site for nerds |
| 02:22:03 | twisted` | slashdot < ultimate nerd site |
| 02:22:10 | ashridah | ultimate? |
| 02:22:11 | twisted` | sourceforge/freshmeat < nerd site |
| 02:22:12 | ashridah | AHAHHAHAAHAH |
| 02:22:17 | twisted` | but |
| 02:22:21 | twisted` | ALL THEY HAVE IS WHITE BACKGROUNS! |
| 02:22:24 | twisted` | backgrounds* |
| 02:22:26 | twisted` | I mean, WHY! |
| 02:22:31 | twisted` | ashridah: u know any person |
| 02:22:37 | ze | mmm |
| 02:22:40 | twisted` | ashridah: that isn't using computers as a geek |
| 02:22:41 | ze | i remember way back in the day |
| 02:22:44 | twisted` | ashridah: that reads slashdot |
| 02:22:45 | ashridah | slashdot is about as ultimate as my computer |
| 02:22:48 | maeck | hey guys. I am trying to understand this patching stuff. Need some help... |
| 02:22:48 | ze | when freshmeat had a black background |
| 02:23:02 | * | twisted` hands ze a napkin |
| 02:23:03 | maeck | I have two CVS-es |
| 02:23:04 | ze | and like an orange foreground or something |
| 02:23:09 | ashridah | twisted`: more to the point, i know plenty of 'geeks' who DON'T read it. |
| 02:23:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slashdot is much more of a "Getting started as a nerd" site than anything. It's quite shallow. |
| 02:23:14 | twisted` | rofl |
| 02:23:19 | twisted` | true |
| 02:23:22 | twisted` | but good reading |
| 02:23:28 | * | twisted` needs to read shit |
| 02:23:32 | twisted` | else I go crazy |
| 02:23:36 | maeck | one with the patch, one as on the cvs server |
| 02:23:44 | bluefoxicy | hmm |
| 02:23:47 | | Join leftright [0] (n=d4406110@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:23:50 | maeck | I do a diff -pudr −−strip |
| 02:24:04 | bluefoxicy | how hard would it be to get an xmms SPC input plug-in to work with rockbox? |
| 02:24:20 | ze | twisted`: http://www.aip.org/physnews/update/ |
| 02:24:25 | maeck | then patch < difffile |
| 02:24:37 | ze | twisted`: only get a few tidbits weekly or so, but there's a nice large archive of madness |
| 02:24:48 | twisted` | man I ain't no fuckin physicist |
| 02:24:50 | twisted` | tho I love that album |
| 02:25:00 | | Join punkrockguy318 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 02:25:03 | ze | heh |
| 02:25:03 | VoltageX | gah the aussie SF mirror is still down |
| 02:25:11 | leftright | Lostlogic, using latest bleedingedge, I get dead quite patches during playback, H140 with LAME mp3@aps |
| 02:25:15 | ze | physics 0wns you though |
| 02:25:21 | twisted` | ze: probably do |
| 02:25:30 | twisted` | ze: ever heard it? Devin Townsend - Physicist? |
| 02:25:35 | ze | hmm nope |
| 02:25:41 | twisted` | like metal? |
| 02:25:45 | ze | sometimes |
| 02:25:51 | twisted` | else it's a huge no-no |
| 02:25:51 | VoltageX | ze: yes, gravity seems to want to pull me towards the ground often |
| 02:25:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Is there anything at all abnormal about your build, because I'm having no problems with it. |
| 02:26:22 | twisted` | <cornbeef> 8? i didnt even know what a vagina was at 8 |
| 02:26:22 | twisted` | <Scofco> I didn't learn to masturbate until I was 17... up until then I always thought 'masturbation' was a type of pasta dish they served in fancy restaurants |
| 02:26:25 | twisted` | lol |
| 02:26:40 | leftright | I'm using normal build from here, I dont compile my own |
| 02:27:03 | leftright | I use replaygain and eq |
| 02:27:27 | twisted` | and... I just ran out of noodles.. |
| 02:27:36 | leftright | the playback bar hsow progress but the music isn't there |
| 02:27:44 | twisted` | ipod still not done... and it';s only been busy for 30min |
| 02:27:44 | leftright | hsow=shows |
| 02:28:07 | | Quit sneakums ("taster, you're the automatic saint") |
| 02:28:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Does the PCM buffer bottom out when it happens? |
| 02:28:45 | sharpe | hmm |
| 02:28:47 | leftright | there is no HD activity, if thats what you mean |
| 02:28:51 | twisted` | tho if I goto playlist now instead of "Insert" I see nothin |
| 02:28:54 | twisted` | just... blackness |
| 02:28:54 | sharpe | my latest build of doom does not seem to like me. |
| 02:29:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: No, I mean "Watching the Audio Thread in the debug menu, does the PCM buffer ever hit empty" |
| 02:29:28 | maeck | paul_the_nerd, sharpe: how do I use 'patch'? |
| 02:29:44 | leftright | haven't done that I'll look next time it does that, this is random but frequent |
| 02:29:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: You've set up the ability to compile? |
| 02:29:48 | ashridah | maeck: are you applying, or creating, a patch? |
| 02:30:01 | twisted` | man this is takin long time... |
| 02:30:05 | maeck | yeah, I have everything... my plugin and two cvs directories |
| 02:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Well, it'll be important to know if it's just the CPU can't keep up with replaygain and EQ, or if it's something else |
| 02:30:09 | twisted` | can;t I like... make my pc do the work... it's way faster... |
| 02:30:10 | maeck | did a diff |
| 02:30:18 | sharpe | are you applying? |
| 02:30:37 | maeck | diff -pudr −−strip clean-cvs patched-cvs |
| 02:30:51 | maeck | now I have a patch file and want to apply. |
| 02:31:02 | leftright | paul I'll try and get that info, its in the debug menu you say ? |
| 02:31:03 | | Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:31:09 | | Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (i=ashridah@220-253-121-137.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 02:31:13 | maeck | but it asks for filenames when I do a: patch < foo.diff |
| 02:31:23 | sharpe | patch -p0 < foo.diff |
| 02:31:25 | sharpe | try that... |
| 02:32:21 | maeck | no, asks for the filename |
| 02:32:28 | maeck | I created foo.diff with this: |
| 02:32:29 | maeck | diff -pudr −−strip rockbox-devel rockbox-devel-new > foo.diff |
| 02:32:50 | maeck | stripped all the new files from the foo.diff |
| 02:32:59 | | Quit cismo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:33:53 | maeck | oh, I think it worked... |
| 02:34:01 | leftright | Paul_the_Nerd, the strange thing is that if i skip forward a track or two and come back to the same track, it'll then play that quite patch normally |
| 02:35:08 | * | twisted` just spaced out on plasma |
| 02:35:09 | twisted` | well |
| 02:35:12 | twisted` | beside all the... |
| 02:35:13 | twisted` | waitin |
| 02:35:19 | twisted` | rockbox kept me busy |
| 02:35:51 | sharpe | badger song adaptation for rockbox. |
| 02:36:00 | sharpe | would be interesting... |
| 02:36:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Odd. It could definitely be a matter of the CPU not keeping up then, because it could be other things affecting performance. But yeah, Info-Debug-View Audio Thread I believe |
| 02:36:33 | twisted` | seriously |
| 02:36:34 | sharpe | badger -> build, mushroom -> update, snake -> data abort |
| 02:36:36 | twisted` | can I cancel like |
| 02:36:37 | | Part warthawg ("You never miss your warthawg til the well runs dry") |
| 02:36:42 | twisted` | the tag cache thing? |
| 02:36:45 | twisted` | and use it half? |
| 02:36:52 | | Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-199.kotinet.com) |
| 02:36:53 | leftright | paul, the progress bar moves and the timer counts, but no music |
| 02:36:55 | twisted` | cus I have a *slight* feeling it's not really doin shit |
| 02:37:11 | sharpe | it's just fucking with you twisted. it's actually finished. |
| 02:37:14 | sharpe | :D |
| 02:37:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, seeing as you interrupted it partway the first time, I'm not sure how it handles broken/incomplete tagcache anyway. |
| 02:37:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: For how long is there no music? |
| 02:37:52 | leftright | about 30 to 90 seconds |
| 02:38:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Oh, that's definitely not what I thought it was then. That's quite strange. I'm having no problems with a CVS build from a short time ago. |
| 02:39:17 | | Quit herz42_ ("Und wech") |
| 02:39:22 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: I didn't interrupt it... spacerock just... went crazy |
| 02:39:23 | leftright | and it doesn't listen to stop commands, but forward and back skips is OK |
| 02:39:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: You reset your player holding menu+select, right? |
| 02:39:52 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: well yeah... cus u said it would quit the game... |
| 02:39:58 | leftright | yes, done that |
| 02:40:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: I didn't say "Hold menu+select" |
| 02:40:08 | twisted` | maaaan |
| 02:40:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: I said "or try holding one of the buttons" |
| 02:40:14 | twisted` | rofl |
| 02:40:19 | twisted` | WOW |
| 02:40:21 | twisted` | THE ICON |
| 02:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: And, menu+select DOES exit the game. I tried it myself. |
| 02:40:22 | twisted` | IT WENT AWAY |
| 02:40:23 | twisted` | OMG! |
| 02:40:24 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK twisted` |
| 02:40:24 | twisted` | OMG! |
| 02:40:26 | leftright | paul is your music replaygained ? |
| 02:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Yup |
| 02:40:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Don't use the EQ though. |
| 02:40:38 | twisted` | back to the manual I guess |
| 02:40:49 | sharpe | so, you like 'wtf' and "'n" too |
| 02:41:29 | leftright | paul, well if it persists on doing it, I might have to post my player to a dev, it really is peculiar |
| 02:42:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Well, I've just enabled my EQ, so we'll see if mine does it. |
| 02:42:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Most of my MP3s aren't LAME aps, but that alone really shouldn't make the difference. |
| 02:43:03 | leftright | let it play for a while, no skipping or suchlikes |
| 02:43:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Will do. |
| 02:43:26 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: at boot it says: COmmitting Tag cache [1/10] |
| 02:43:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: What sort of player do you have again? |
| 02:43:39 | leftright | H140 |
| 02:43:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Yep. Now that it's scanned, it has to actually load it. Don't worry, that won't happen every boot. |
| 02:43:42 | twisted` | it's like... as if it's doin crime |
| 02:43:57 | twisted` | bad ipod u better not get me arrested |
| 02:44:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: Okay, I'm testing on an H120, it's good I picked the right one. |
| 02:44:22 | twisted` | "Commiting gathered data of illegal aquired music to the authorities through inbuild gsm modem" |
| 02:44:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 7 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:44:30 | * | twisted` smacks ipod |
| 02:44:35 | leftright | Paul, I have two players and they both do the same thing during playback |
| 02:44:44 | leftright | both H140's |
| 02:44:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: How long has this been happening? |
| 02:45:28 | leftright | last few days |
| 02:45:49 | leftright | can't remember when exactly |
| 02:45:49 | sharpe | do you want a completely unhelpful comment(TM) ? |
| 02:46:20 | twisted` | now I gotta figure out howto actually PLAY something |
| 02:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Hold Menu, then when the quickscreen pops up, hit Play/Pause until the bottom says "ID3 tags" |
| 02:47:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then hit menu again |
| 02:48:01 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: and then... go where? |
| 02:48:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, at that point you should have choices like "Artist" "Album" etc. |
| 02:48:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, inside those should be your music. |
| 02:48:22 | leftright | I gotta go, thanks, i'll catch you tomorrow, be interesting to see if you can duplicate the problem |
| 02:48:51 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: where? when I press Menu I see: Recent Bookmarks, Sound Settings, etc |
| 02:49:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: I said "Hold men" |
| 02:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: menu |
| 02:49:07 | | Part leftright |
| 02:49:12 | twisted` | ya that worked |
| 02:49:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: In the file browser, you need to hold menu and you'll get a different menu. |
| 02:49:17 | twisted` | but then after that I pressed menu |
| 02:49:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: From inside the Quick Menu, tapping menu should've brought you back to the file browser... |
| 02:50:23 | twisted` | nope I see on the top: iAmp, and then Now Playing: NO FILE! |
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| 02:50:55 | sharpe | this is kind of funny, printing the "Keyboard: A" line, takes up so much more time in the emulator... |
| 02:50:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Wait, where did you hit Play at? |
| 02:51:07 | twisted` | I got no fuckin idea anymore |
| 02:51:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Were you in the QuickMenu or the Normal Menu? |
| 02:51:09 | twisted` | let's reboot it |
| 02:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Why reboot it? WTF? |
| 02:51:21 | twisted` | cus it's actin strange :P |
| 02:51:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: It's acting strange because you aren't following my instructions exactly |
| 02:51:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Just get back to the "file browser" screen |
| 02:52:09 | * | twisted` scratches head... |
| 02:52:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Okay, what does your current screen say as the top line? |
| 02:52:43 | twisted` | Recent Bookmarks |
| 02:52:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | tap menu |
| 02:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Top line? |
| 02:52:57 | * | twisted` tapped menu |
| 02:53:01 | twisted` | No File! |
| 02:53:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait, you see the WPS? |
| 02:53:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 02:53:36 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: yup |
| 02:53:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Play/Pause for about 1-2 seconds. |
| 02:53:47 | twisted` | ahh |
| 02:53:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now, Artist/Album/Genre/Etc, or something else? |
| 02:53:59 | twisted` | now I see artists |
| 02:54:00 | twisted` | yup |
| 02:54:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 02:54:12 | twisted` | ooh |
| 02:54:13 | twisted` | looks good |
| 02:54:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Browse to the music you want, and hit Right or Select on a song to play it, etc. |
| 02:55:33 | twisted` | hmm |
| 02:55:35 | twisted` | somehow |
| 02:55:40 | twisted` | it doesn't seem to do shit |
| 02:55:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 02:56:01 | twisted` | it... stopped responding |
| 02:56:04 | * | twisted` made his ipod crash |
| 02:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably managed to get the tagcache to be malformed because of you forcibly restarting mid-cache or something. |
| 02:56:40 | * | twisted` mashes all buttons like his NES controller |
| 02:56:42 | twisted` | no reply |
| 02:56:43 | twisted` | at all |
| 02:56:45 | twisted` | time for a reboot |
| 02:56:54 | biffhero | are we supposed to reboot after the tagcache rebuild? |
| 02:57:23 | twisted` | WTF |
| 02:57:25 | twisted` | THAT MUSIC |
| 02:57:26 | twisted` | IS LOUD |
| 02:57:27 | twisted` | like |
| 02:57:31 | twisted` | 4x harder then original |
| 02:57:33 | twisted` | like |
| 02:57:35 | * | twisted` almost went deaf |
| 02:57:40 | twisted` | fuckin heart attack and shit |
| 02:58:00 | twisted` | -20 is loud nuff |
| 02:58:16 | biffhero | what headphones? |
| 02:58:47 | twisted` | standard ipod |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: After the tagchache build, shut down properly and reboot yet. |
| 03:00:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | yes even, not yet |
| 03:01:38 | biffhero | is "shut down properly" "hold select + menu until reboot", or is there a men item for it? |
| 03:02:00 | biffhero | s/men/menu/ |
| 03:02:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's "Hold Play/Pause like it says in the manual" |
| 03:02:21 | biffhero | k, thx |
| 03:02:22 | * | twisted` gonna try to put on a new WPS which is actually... pretty |
| 03:02:47 | maeck | ahh, finally submitted my patch. |
| 03:03:28 | punkrockguy318 | twisted`: i've yet to find one for the ipod 5g |
| 03:03:33 | | Part XavierGr |
| 03:03:41 | biffhero | I have one, let me find it and 'splain it to you. |
| 03:03:44 | twisted` | punkrockguy318: how ya mean? |
| 03:04:26 | punkrockguy318 | twisted`: most of the ones i've used have like text misplaced... or the fonts are unreadable with the background |
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| 03:05:25 | biffhero | browse themes -> joshPod (for the 5G iPod) |
| 03:07:27 | biffhero | the tagcache is nice, but a bit cubersome with 5G ipod with 2k songs on it. Every day I update my podcasts, and then have to rescan for the tagcache. that takes a while. The only solution I have come up with is to have the tagcache db read the ipoddb, but that's such a small segment of rockbox' target market... |
| 03:08:33 | twisted` | biffhero: joshpod |
| 03:08:34 | twisted` | biffhero: so |
| 03:08:37 | twisted` | the others don't work? |
| 03:08:46 | | Quit powr-toc ("Leaving") |
| 03:08:48 | biffhero | they work, but they don't look as good, nor work as well. |
| 03:09:02 | twisted` | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 03:09:05 | twisted` | biffhero: those u mean? |
| 03:09:13 | biffhero | name another, I will go to it, and tell you why I don't use it. |
| 03:09:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: The tagcache automatically updates with new files if you're using it in Memory, and have dircache enabled... |
| 03:09:34 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: well, that's cool! |
| 03:09:44 | twisted` | ok |
| 03:09:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: So you shouldn't have to do a full rescan. |
| 03:09:50 | twisted` | how the hell do I change the WPS |
| 03:09:50 | biffhero | does it go out and scan on its' own accord, then? |
| 03:10:00 | biffhero | twisted`: I use 'browse themes' |
| 03:10:13 | | Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Dircache scans, and tells TagCache when the files on disk have changed, I believe. You'll have it do the Commit part again when you turn on, I believe. |
| 03:10:38 | twisted` | hmm the new one... |
| 03:10:40 | twisted` | ain't there |
| 03:11:22 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: but to put new ones on there, I have to reboot rockbox anyway... |
| 03:11:34 | twisted` | omg on so many aspects rockbox sooo fuckin pwns the original firmware |
| 03:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: Yes. You do. I don't understand quite the point of your statement there. |
| 03:12:02 | biffhero | yeah, neither do I. :-) |
| 03:12:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:12:36 | twisted` | I see where it went wrong |
| 03:12:39 | * | twisted` fuckin stupid |
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| 03:12:45 | biffhero | twisted`: I don't know why I don't have 'brushed metal' on mine, but I don't. |
| 03:14:05 | twisted` | biffhero: lol :D |
| 03:14:07 | twisted` | ok |
| 03:14:12 | twisted` | I officially, love rockbox |
| 03:16:12 | twisted` | the hell |
| 03:16:16 | twisted` | I just loaded Dark Geek |
| 03:16:19 | twisted` | but it mixed with the other one |
| 03:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dark Geek probably doesn't set a background image |
| 03:16:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try turning your player off, then on again. |
| 03:17:56 | twisted` | lalala |
| 03:17:58 | twisted` | I like it |
| 03:18:02 | twisted` | that it remembers |
| 03:18:04 | twisted` | the last song |
| 03:18:07 | twisted` | and continues where it left |
| 03:18:37 | twisted` | dark geek... doesn't work |
| 03:18:37 | twisted` | :( |
| 03:18:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does it do? |
| 03:18:56 | twisted` | it doesn't do shit! |
| 03:18:58 | twisted` | that's the problem |
| 03:19:02 | twisted` | it shows the previous one |
| 03:19:05 | twisted` | just borked up |
| 03:19:05 | twisted` | lol |
| 03:19:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Did you try shutting down and restarting like I suggested, and it still shows the backdrop from the previous one? |
| 03:19:54 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: let's retry, second reboot |
| 03:19:57 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: I did yeah |
| 03:20:32 | Galois | I get that backdrop behavior too |
| 03:20:53 | twisted` | not backdrop |
| 03:20:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: General Settings -> Display -> LCD settings -> Clear Backdrop then |
| 03:20:58 | twisted` | prev. one was Rockbox default |
| 03:21:09 | | Quit fareed () |
| 03:21:10 | twisted` | I see Rockbox default |
| 03:21:16 | twisted` | doesn't matter which I pick |
| 03:21:19 | twisted` | dark-geek won't go |
| 03:21:22 | twisted` | :( |
| 03:21:25 | twisted` | I wanted that one :( |
| 03:21:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: And you're sure the .wps is where it belongs in the wps folder? |
| 03:21:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Can you get to it by way of Browse WPSes instead of Browse Themes? |
| 03:22:09 | twisted` | ROOT@debian:/mnt/ipod/.rockbox# unzip /home/twisted/rockbox/dark-geek.zip [0 | Apr 18 | 3:15AM] |
| 03:22:12 | twisted` | Archive: /home/twisted/rockbox/dark-geek.zip inflating: themes/dark-geek.cfg inflating: wps/dark-geek.wps |
| 03:22:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:23:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: The .cfg is wrong |
| 03:23:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Open it up, it points to a different .wps file than what it should |
| 03:23:49 | twisted` | omg |
| 03:23:52 | twisted` | bad dark-geek |
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| 03:24:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you just use Browse WPS you can get to the WPS file directly, or you can easily correct the .cfg |
| 03:24:48 | twisted` | let's smack the dev |
| 03:24:51 | piroko | preglow: you ever make your own sid tunes? |
| 03:25:12 | twisted` | NOW |
| 03:25:13 | twisted` | IT WORKS |
| 03:25:14 | twisted` | OHYEAH |
| 03:25:17 | twisted` | it's purdy |
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| 03:27:10 | twisted` | wtf |
| 03:27:13 | twisted` | I cleared the backdrop |
| 03:27:21 | twisted` | but when I go back from WPS to the menu |
| 03:27:26 | twisted` | the backdrop appears again |
| 03:27:29 | twisted` | but in WPS it's gone |
| 03:27:31 | twisted` | :| |
| 03:28:14 | twisted` | and then it's... back in the WPS again |
| 03:28:15 | twisted` | :| |
| 03:28:54 | twisted` | WTF |
| 03:29:04 | twisted` | I put it in dockin station for... like chargin |
| 03:29:06 | twisted` | ;n it reboots |
| 03:29:07 | twisted` | :| |
| 03:29:16 | twisted` | and... |
| 03:29:17 | Galois | twisted`: I get the same backdrop behavior. It's a bug. |
| 03:29:23 | twisted` | keeps rebooting |
| 03:29:24 | twisted` | why? |
| 03:30:08 | Galois | I have no charging station, so I can't say much about that one |
| 03:30:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Because it's trying to USB connect. Either boot Retail or Disk Mode for charging, or be already IN Rockbox and hold menu while you put it in the dock (sometimes charging isn't so reliable inside rockbox, as RB takes more juice than the normal firmware so far) |
| 03:30:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: One way to be sure the backdrop is reset is to turn the hold switch on immediately after powering on the unit, so that all settings are cleared. |
| 03:30:44 | twisted` | ok |
| 03:30:47 | twisted` | original firmware |
| 03:30:50 | twisted` | looks really shabby |
| 03:30:51 | twisted` | now |
| 03:30:52 | twisted` | lol |
| 03:30:58 | twisted` | it's probably my imagination tho |
| 03:31:25 | linuxstb | maeck: I've just tried your gfxmenu plugin. It's fun, but I wouldn't like Rockbox to look like that... I also don't know how you would design icons for all of Rockbox's menu items. |
| 03:31:50 | twisted` | gfxmenu? |
| 03:32:39 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5167 |
| 03:33:25 | midkay | ooh. *tries* |
| 03:33:38 | twisted` | can't |
| 03:33:42 | twisted` | battery is almost empty |
| 03:33:44 | twisted` | gotta charge it |
| 03:33:48 | midkay | 2bad4u! |
| 03:33:57 | piroko | grr... 5g only... |
| 03:33:58 | sharpe | hey, i tried that plugin... :D |
| 03:34:19 | twisted` | screenshot? |
| 03:34:36 | twisted` | <3 screens |
| 03:34:42 | sharpe | when it was a proof of concept too... :) |
| 03:34:44 | sharpe | yay me |
| 03:35:02 | maeck | the icons are just something I grabbed from Gnome |
| 03:35:11 | maeck | No icons drawn... |
| 03:35:36 | maeck | drawing the icons will really be hard, I agree |
| 03:35:42 | twisted` | for what? |
| 03:35:51 | maeck | graphical menu |
| 03:35:55 | twisted` | ya |
| 03:35:58 | twisted` | but got a screenshot |
| 03:35:59 | twisted` | so I can... |
| 03:36:02 | twisted` | visualise... |
| 03:36:12 | sharpe | one second... |
| 03:36:15 | twisted` | cus ya mean icons for... everything? |
| 03:36:17 | sharpe | or moment. |
| 03:36:20 | maeck | teh icons are supported by the textual description though... |
| 03:36:51 | maeck | I guess it will be something that you can switch on/off... and am in desparate need of someone who can design icons |
| 03:36:51 | twisted` | kewl |
| 03:37:01 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/gfxmenu.png |
| 03:37:02 | sharpe | maeck, have you changed it since i tried it? |
| 03:37:04 | maeck | everything, except files |
| 03:37:06 | twisted` | depends on how spiffy u want 'em |
| 03:37:21 | VoltageX | spiffy++ |
| 03:37:23 | maeck | a little. Spent more time hacking it into the menu. Not done yet. |
| 03:37:26 | twisted` | that |
| 03:37:27 | twisted` | is horny |
| 03:37:35 | twisted` | tho in my imagination |
| 03:37:38 | * | piroko died |
| 03:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | ... |
| 03:37:39 | twisted` | it was waay doper |
| 03:37:40 | sharpe | ooh, fun |
| 03:37:41 | maeck | −−spiffy is a start |
| 03:37:43 | twisted` | but I'm on crack I think |
| 03:37:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd prefers text. |
| 03:37:56 | sharpe | i get a , 'give that guy a beer' for my c64 emulator... |
| 03:38:08 | sharpe | which, in most countries is illegal to for the next few years. |
| 03:38:09 | * | piroko looks around for a 5g to steal! watch out! |
| 03:38:25 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: I agree, but it'd be nice as an option |
| 03:38:28 | twisted` | piroko: come near mine 'n u would beg to be in prison in pakistan |
| 03:38:29 | VoltageX | purrrty colours |
| 03:38:34 | piroko | sharpe: what c64 emulator? |
| 03:38:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Yes, but would you make ALL submenus graphical, or what? |
| 03:38:42 | midkay | maeck, just tried it - coool :) |
| 03:38:51 | sharpe | the c64 emulator i'm working on... |
| 03:38:56 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: depends how many megabytes you want to waste |
| 03:38:59 | midkay | nice work, are you planning more? |
| 03:39:05 | punkrockguy318 | has anyone started work on an NES emulator? |
| 03:39:08 | maeck | The menu is cool. The scroll wheel just begged for something like this... just thing of the icons... |
| 03:39:20 | VoltageX | sharpe: does that mean we can write c64 basic for rockbox? |
| 03:39:21 | punkrockguy318 | or porting one, rather |
| 03:39:23 | maeck | If one could think what the icons should look like... |
| 03:39:47 | twisted` | maeck: pm |
| 03:40:18 | sharpe | VoltageX: i suppose... |
| 03:40:20 | maeck | I think the icons for the main menu, and the tagDB main menu will be a start |
| 03:40:29 | twisted` | maeck: you received pm? |
| 03:40:32 | maeck | who can DRAW icons. Even if they are not too cool |
| 03:40:40 | sharpe | i can draw little squares |
| 03:40:41 | midkay | maeck, if you need any help, i'm not bad with graphics.. |
| 03:40:43 | maeck | yeah, what do you men. PM |
| 03:40:50 | midkay | at least i like to think i'm not :) |
| 03:40:52 | twisted` | maeck: private message |
| 03:40:54 | twisted` | maeck: query |
| 03:41:01 | * | twisted` out of words to describe it |
| 03:41:32 | twisted` | I could help doin the gfx... |
| 03:41:36 | twisted` | that's no problem |
| 03:41:41 | maeck | need icons that are 48x48 |
| 03:41:55 | twisted` | ya but I got like this total imagination of how it will look |
| 03:41:58 | twisted` | but I already pm'd that |
| 03:41:58 | piroko | apple icons would be sweet... |
| 03:42:01 | twisted` | so I should copy it |
| 03:42:01 | twisted` | lol |
| 03:42:12 | piroko | but probably illegal... |
| 03:42:21 | twisted` | 03:38:47 <twisted`> what kind of icons we talkin about? |
| 03:42:21 | twisted` | 03:38:56 <twisted`> I imaged before I saw the screenie this black wallpaper |
| 03:42:21 | twisted` | 03:38:59 <twisted`> with a circle |
| 03:42:21 | twisted` | 03:39:06 <twisted`> with icons attached "on" it |
| 03:42:21 | twisted` | 03:39:16 <twisted`> 'n blue bubbles floatin round the icon |
| 03:42:23 | twisted` | 03:39:37 <twisted`> 'n they float from the active icon to the next active one when you slide |
| 03:42:32 | maeck | so twisted are able to compile? I can mail you an Ipod binary |
| 03:42:46 | twisted` | maeck: first I gotta recharge my ipod |
| 03:42:50 | twisted` | maeck: but yup |
| 03:42:56 | twisted` | maeck: if it's workin from linux yup |
| 03:43:31 | maeck | look through the patch for the images. Just draw them on 48x48 scale. I can do the resizing and putting the transparant background in |
| 03:44:04 | maeck | yeah, it works in the emulator aswell. However, my keyboard does not come with a scroll wheel for the full experience. |
| 03:44:45 | twisted` | man I got no idea whatcha talkin bout... but I think you want me to get drawing |
| 03:45:10 | twisted` | actually I was thinkin bout callin it a night |
| 03:45:12 | piroko | so as of now, does the simulator only run on linux? |
| 03:45:13 | twisted` | Tue Apr 18 03:45:14 CEST 2006 |
| 03:45:14 | maeck | do the main menu first |
| 03:45:34 | twisted` | maeck: I'll do some sketches tomorrow |
| 03:45:37 | twisted` | imagine some more |
| 03:45:39 | twisted` | smoke more pot |
| 03:45:42 | twisted` | get more ideas |
| 03:45:44 | twisted` | draw 'em out |
| 03:45:52 | twisted` | make you cry as a programmer, scream: WHY! WHY! |
| 03:45:59 | twisted` | I always make programmers cry... dunno... |
| 03:46:03 | maeck | put the results in the tracker |
| 03:46:23 | maeck | with the patch |
| 03:46:49 | twisted` | maeck: send me a mail on twisted@bastardoperatorfromhell.org so I know where to send stuff I did on it... |
| 03:47:14 | maeck | rockbox.maeck@gmail.com |
| 03:47:35 | maeck | or just attach to the tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5167 |
| 03:48:27 | maeck | easyu |
| 03:48:50 | * | twisted` still waits... |
| 03:49:42 | twisted` | still no confirm email |
| 03:50:26 | maeck | one sec |
| 03:52:31 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: what was teh verdict on leftright? |
| 03:52:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I cannot reproduce. |
| 03:52:54 | twisted` | kewl |
| 03:52:55 | twisted` | signed up |
| 03:52:55 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/qdig/rockbox/rockboxc64_basicex.png |
| 03:52:57 | twisted` | got the mail |
| 03:52:57 | twisted` | etc |
| 03:53:00 | twisted` | will do tomorrow |
| 03:53:03 | twisted` | maeck: u'll hear from me |
| 03:53:06 | sharpe | tis the latest screenshot of it i just made... |
| 03:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: At all. Since it happens on both his H140s, I'm extremely tempted to suggest that he tries with different earphones. |
| 03:54:36 | sharpe | any comments? |
| 03:54:50 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: h140, that wouldn't be CPU can't keep up... wonder if it's CPU too fast... any problems for you with FLAC? |
| 03:55:21 | lostlogic | sharpe: hawt |
| 03:55:28 | maeck | sharpe, how did you do the menu? |
| 03:55:38 | sharpe | what menu? |
| 03:55:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I'm using MP3 on an H120 right now, been playing since before he left the channel, no problems at all. EQ+Replaygain |
| 03:56:13 | sharpe | oh, the keyboard input? |
| 03:56:26 | sharpe | from when i was trying ideas for it? |
| 03:56:34 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks as always for being my hero ;) |
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| 03:56:47 | maeck | not menu, keyboard |
| 03:56:51 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:57:05 | sharpe | just scroll through the glyphs |
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| 03:57:27 | lostlogic | 20:56 < lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: thanks as always for being my hero ;) |
| 03:57:35 | sharpe | figured that was the easiest way... |
| 03:57:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw that RIGHT before I died. |
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| 03:58:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, the better verified or reproduceable bugs are, the easier it is for you to make my player work better. ;-) |
| 03:58:19 | sean | question regarding battery life and rockbox on an ipod |
| 03:58:23 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: you are correct. :) |
| 03:58:28 | lostlogic | sean: it sucks. next? |
| 03:58:28 | lostlogic | :) |
| 03:58:29 | sharpe | it's less than the firmwares :D |
| 03:58:33 | sean | i see |
| 03:58:33 | sharpe | original |
| 03:58:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | sean: Ignore them. Ask the question. :-P |
| 03:58:46 | lostlogic | *high fives sharpe* |
| 03:58:53 | sean | well the question was....why does it suck :P |
| 03:58:58 | maeck | I have 9 hours on my G5 60gb |
| 03:59:03 | sean | really? |
| 03:59:09 | sean | i only get about 4 on my 4th gen 40gb |
| 03:59:11 | maeck | Enough for my coast to coast travel |
| 03:59:13 | sharpe | because it draws more power than the apple firmware |
| 03:59:22 | sean | i used to get about 6 |
| 03:59:23 | lostlogic | sean: my theory #1 is that we only use one CPU core, and 1 core at higher frequency is worse than 2 cores at lower frequency |
| 03:59:28 | sharpe | kind of redundant, but still. |
| 03:59:31 | midkay | hey. HEY. deliciously boring sound-settings icon. http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/28/ss7hu.png |
| 03:59:53 | sharpe | it's decilious like a plate. |
| 03:59:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: That was my theory too! |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:00 | midkay | it is a plate. |
| 04:00:13 | sean | any rockbox versions used both cores? |
| 04:00:16 | sharpe | then it's decilious! |
| 04:00:21 | lostlogic | sean: beyond that, our i2c driver sucks which means we burn a lot of clock cycles waiting for it, and it's possible that we initialize something wrong, or leave modules we aren't using powered up. |
| 04:00:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | sean: It draws more power right now because the focus is on "Making things work well, instead of just 'mostly well'" and then we get to the "Now, what part of all this code is soaking up the juice" phase later. |
| 04:00:25 | midkay | decilious? :E |
| 04:00:53 | sean | i see. |
| 04:00:57 | lostlogic | sean: no, nobody has tried to write multi-core rockbox yet. |
| 04:01:03 | sean | i understand where you coming from |
| 04:01:22 | sean | i do not understand how to type aparently.... but yea |
| 04:02:09 | sean | then i guess my next question would be is there any easy way of intergrating flac into say apples firmware? |
| 04:02:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 04:02:21 | sean | fux0r |
| 04:02:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not even remotely close to easy. |
| 04:02:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, FLAC is probably always going to take more battery life than MP3 |
| 04:02:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has to spin up the disk a HELL of a lot more because of increased file sizes. |
| 04:03:06 | sean | you raise a good point |
| 04:03:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm... |
| 04:03:25 | sharpe | whee, time to test the better text input |
| 04:03:36 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: :D HCl got the DUMB plugin to patch cleanly against the latest CVS |
| 04:03:46 | VoltageX | but I can't build it |
| 04:03:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | On a related note, spinning up a disk from a halt takes less power than continuing to spin it right? How often would a disk need to be spinup/halted before it's more efficient to keep the spin going? |
| 04:04:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: What kinda build problems? |
| 04:04:21 | maeck | every 64mb (fuffer size) |
| 04:04:33 | VoltageX | no rule to make <insert name of .c file here>, dependency of <.a file> |
| 04:04:34 | sean | i think spinning it from halt every so often would be worse for the hdd though |
| 04:04:35 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: difficult to judge. |
| 04:04:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: What was that in response to? |
| 04:04:57 | maeck | that is normail behaviour. Just like the apple firmware |
| 04:05:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | sean: Nah. Most/all MP3 players spin up, buffer, spin down, then spin up later to rebuffer. |
| 04:05:18 | maeck | Paul... I meant, you only need to spin up when the 64 Mb buffer reaches its end... |
| 04:05:42 | maeck | but thet is a given |
| 04:05:47 | sean | i see |
| 04:05:49 | maeck | that is a given |
| 04:05:52 | lostlogic | maeck: he knows that... he was asking a question regarding when it becomes not worth it to spindown between fills. |
| 04:05:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Oh, I knew that. But the thing is, depending on the level of compression of the data in the buffer, 64mb could be 2 hours, or it could be 5 minutes. |
| 04:05:55 | maeck | I have type issues today. |
| 04:06:10 | maeck | as in %? |
| 04:06:22 | sean | paul i commend you on your knowledge |
| 04:06:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And on other Rockbox targets, the buffer is 32mb, 16mb, 8mb, or even 2mb |
| 04:06:28 | sharpe | or it could be... three minutes. |
| 04:07:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: For example, I wonder if playing WAV on a 2mb buffer device might just be left spinning (assuming it's not) |
| 04:07:31 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yar, it probably should be, if it's not. |
| 04:07:45 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: HCl should turn up in about 6hrs, so I'll be able to troubleshoot this then. |
| 04:07:46 | sean | peace all |
| 04:08:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Hm. Yeah, usually that means that a .c file exists that isn't somehow connected by way of all the various makefile mumbo jumbo etc. |
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| 04:08:38 | VoltageX | doh |
| 04:09:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't really know exactly how it works in relation to dependencies. |
| 04:09:02 | maeck | what we need to know is how much power and time does a spin up take. And how much continous spinning takes (power). Then we can calulate sweetspot (bits/sec) for each buffer size. |
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| 04:09:30 | lostlogic | maeck: aye |
| 04:10:02 | maeck | With that knowledge you could also determine how much seconds of future playlist songs we should cache |
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| 04:10:15 | maeck | But how do we measure... |
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| 04:10:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Unfortunately, that would require some hardware fun with a multimeter probably. |
| 04:10:45 | sharpe | yay hardware fun! |
| 04:10:48 | lostlogic | tehre are people around here who have done similar measurements |
| 04:10:55 | lostlogic | I think Rob2222 is one of them |
| 04:11:23 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: I may be able to provide that hardware fun when I replace the battery |
| 04:11:45 | lostlogic | would hafta do a measurement like: spin down disk, measure current draw at idle. request a 1 byte read, measure current through spinup, until that byte is read. measure current with disk spinning, and with disk reading |
| 04:11:46 | maeck | 'Cause, right now Rockbox isnt caching ahead is it? It just caches whatever it is playing plus x number of next songs (if it fits in the buffer). |
| 04:12:06 | lostlogic | maeck: I don't follow. |
| 04:12:13 | lostlogic | maeck: it caches as much data as fits in RAM |
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| 04:12:59 | maeck | Rio Karma and Ipod firmware read the current song, and the first (say) 10 seconds of the next songs in the playlists. If you skip ahead, the song is magically there. Then it spins up and reads the rest of the next song. |
| 04:13:04 | maeck | Got that? |
| 04:13:18 | lostlogic | maeck: ahhh |
| 04:13:23 | lostlogic | interesting strategy. |
| 04:13:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: While that's beneficial to people who skip alot, that's not so good for people who like to listen straight through actual playlists. |
| 04:13:38 | lostlogic | I prefer ours. |
| 04:13:51 | lostlogic | (because I turn on shuffle and hold and ignore the thing) |
| 04:14:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Exactly what I do! |
| 04:14:08 | Galois | shuffle is for weenies |
| 04:14:25 | maeck | I prefer the rockbox style also. Cause I play albums... not random songs |
| 04:14:30 | twisted` | maeck: afaik the ipod holds up to 30min of music in it's rom |
| 04:14:31 | twisted` | uhh |
| 04:14:32 | twisted` | ram* |
| 04:14:48 | lostlogic | twisted`: it holds 32 (30g) or 64(60g) megs of data in ram |
| 04:14:51 | maeck | Play albums, That is why I need gapless |
| 04:15:00 | sharpe | heh, lets do support for the ipod shuffle with rockbox :D |
| 04:15:01 | Galois | anyway I don't see the harm in caching bits of the next few songs while the disk is spinning anyway |
| 04:15:02 | lostlogic | twisted`: which is about 30m of -aps mp3 |
| 04:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: The 60gig 4G/Photo is only 32 still, I think |
| 04:15:23 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: you're right, I was speaking of 5g only |
| 04:15:33 | VoltageX | let's port rockbox to the shuffle! |
| 04:15:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Rockbox caches all of the next several songs though, which is better than bits for sequential playback in regards to battery life. |
| 04:15:47 | sharpe | then we can port rockbox to sticks! |
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| 04:15:50 | lostlogic | Galois: complexity in the playback system is my reason not to. |
| 04:16:10 | maeck | If you can make it play ogg and flac... Here is a reason. No reason for plugins though... Kinda tough to play Tetrox on a shuffle |
| 04:16:10 | Galois | (says the person working on the playback system) |
| 04:16:22 | VoltageX | :) |
| 04:16:36 | sharpe | it'd be a very, very, stripped down version if you think about it... |
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| 04:16:38 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points at the lack of a GCC for the DSP in the Shuffle |
| 04:16:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: VoiceUI. You can have all the features, just strip out graphical plugins and CustomWPS |
| 04:16:53 | sharpe | if anyone would actually do it, anyway. |
| 04:16:53 | lostlogic | Galois: :-D |
| 04:17:10 | sharpe | yeah, but wouldn't be much use with plugins... |
| 04:17:31 | maeck | Paul. The method of reading the first 10 seconds of the next 15 songs. Makes the player more responsive (no spin up needed if you skip past that 5 song collection if B. Spears) |
| 04:17:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Yes, but it also means that the player will have to spin up earlier if you're NOT skipping |
| 04:18:03 | twisted` | man |
| 04:18:08 | twisted` | just put like 2gb flash in there |
| 04:18:08 | twisted` | fuck |
| 04:18:10 | twisted` | 4gb! |
| 04:18:13 | twisted` | the thing of the nano |
| 04:18:18 | twisted` | IN the iPod Video |
| 04:18:18 | twisted` | :P |
| 04:18:22 | lostlogic | twisted`: flash is too slow for playing the audio from |
| 04:18:31 | VoltageX | where's the file that defines the version that's displayed at startup? |
| 04:18:41 | maeck | I cannot imagine that the shuffle has much firmware. I guess decoding is all done in chip. |
| 04:18:41 | twisted` | lostlogic: afaik it's like... faster in i/o then the actual size of the file is |
| 04:18:42 | lostlogic | twisted`: that's why the nano still has RAM |
| 04:18:49 | Galois | in the worst case, with uncompressed audio, 10*15sec is about 3 megs of data |
| 04:19:03 | twisted` | hmm |
| 04:19:04 | twisted` | damn |
| 04:19:05 | lostlogic | hmm, you're right, not too slow |
| 04:19:27 | twisted` | I mean... flash is pretty damn fast |
| 04:19:28 | lostlogic | probably a power issue there too that slowly reading trickle of data from flash is expensive, not sure |
| 04:19:30 | maeck | Paul: Your answer is also true. It is different by the user. |
| 04:19:31 | * | lostlogic stops talking out his ass. |
| 04:19:42 | Galois | 3 megs is about 10% penalty on a 32meg buffer |
| 04:19:43 | sharpe | that's a very difficult thing to do. |
| 04:20:01 | Galois | but uncompressed wav is a corner case, most times you're playing at least flac, which halves the penalty right there |
| 04:20:27 | lostlogic | intro caching does sound like an interesting idea, but it would require either scrapping the current buffer structure completely, or having an intros section and a main section, separately managed, with the intros linked into their main sections once their main sections are buffered. |
| 04:20:48 | lostlogic | *ponders* yes, I can see how writing it would work. Not saying I like it for rockbox, but I can see how it would be done. |
| 04:20:59 | * | Paul_The_Nerd votes against it. |
| 04:20:59 | Galois | obviously it is secondary in priority to just getting the damn playback working in the first place |
| 04:21:09 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks he recalls it being discussed a few other times too. |
| 04:21:11 | lostlogic | hey, playback works |
| 04:21:17 | twisted` | hmm |
| 04:21:19 | twisted` | stupid idea |
| 04:21:21 | twisted` | but could be something |
| 04:21:22 | Galois | it works? /me checks |
| 04:21:26 | twisted` | can't you let the user DECIDE |
| 04:21:28 | twisted` | in settings |
| 04:21:31 | twisted` | if they want to cache SONGS |
| 04:21:32 | lostlogic | I mean there are a few bugs posted on my wiki still |
| 04:21:33 | twisted` | or INTROS |
| 04:21:38 | lostlogic | but they're not very bad any more |
| 04:21:44 | twisted` | cus some want to skip a lot |
| 04:21:46 | twisted` | some don't |
| 04:21:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: That would result in a very large increase in code complexity. |
| 04:22:05 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: definately yes... |
| 04:22:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, two goals of Rockbox are "work the same on all players" |
| 04:22:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | And "Keep working on the Archoses" |
| 04:22:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | A second buffering algorithm would have to be implemented for both |
| 04:22:57 | twisted` | hmm |
| 04:23:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it would almost *definitely* then make the Archos build too big |
| 04:23:17 | Galois | I believe the archos deadweight will have to be dropped at some point |
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| 04:23:20 | twisted` | why does it have to be exactly the same |
| 04:23:21 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm... in this case, that wouldn't apply until we unify playback engiens |
| 04:23:26 | lostlogic | which... might happen some day |
| 04:23:39 | Galois | look, even apache 2.0 makes no effort to conform to low memory configurations anymore. Their official stance on that is to use apache 1.3 if you need it. |
| 04:23:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Even if you didn't unify them, the behaviour of the two should be kept similar. |
| 04:23:50 | twisted` | I mean an Archoss is a completely different machine compared to the iPod |
| 04:23:50 | sharpe | heh, wonderful c64 memory access.... |
| 04:23:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: So if a new buffering algorithm were added, something similar at least would need to be put on Archos |
| 04:23:57 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: the intro buffering thing wouldn't really change behavior so much as change strategy |
| 04:23:58 | maeck | The buffering algorithm would only be useful if the buffer is of sufficient size. PLUS the intro buffer size could be different for FLAC, MP3 or WAV... Because you only need to cover the 2 seconds of spinup. |
| 04:24:28 | sharpe | if (buttons == JOYSTICK_DOWN) { ram[0x0277 + ram[0x00C6]] = alphabet[alphaplace]; ram[0x00C6]++; } |
| 04:24:33 | sharpe | yay... |
| 04:24:40 | twisted` | I mean some players may have like... 2meg |
| 04:24:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: And so's the H120. And the X5. The idea is that someone can get a new player, put Rockbox on it, and know what to expect if they're already an RB user |
| 04:24:42 | twisted` | others have 64 |
| 04:24:57 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: that's why I say, let the user decide |
| 04:25:00 | Galois | paul_the_nerd: I agree with that logic, but archoses are not new players |
| 04:25:02 | twisted` | or... |
| 04:25:05 | twisted` | have 2 version |
| 04:25:07 | Galois | at least, rockbox-able archoses are not new |
| 04:25:11 | twisted` | so it compiles with or without |
| 04:25:12 | twisted` | I dunno |
| 04:25:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: The code still has to BE there to let the user decide. |
| 04:25:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Which then results in the "too big" problem |
| 04:25:40 | * | Galois silently plugs compile time options again |
| 04:25:43 | twisted` | how bout *patches* |
| 04:25:57 | twisted` | intro patch < always |
| 04:26:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Compile time options mean you have to assume all users can/will compile, or you have to offer every possible variant precompiled though |
| 04:26:07 | twisted` | big buffer patch < optional |
| 04:26:11 | Galois | no you don't. Users who don't compile get the default. |
| 04:26:13 | Galois | no loss to them |
| 04:26:17 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: if this is the interface issue, i can see a way around it. keep the current system. on more capable units, have it show up as 'advanced' and enable a themable gui or whatever. on the archoses, have it as the only entry. |
| 04:26:38 | ashridah | then it's ifdef'ed out on archos, and if we write it correctly, it has to appear in advanced to be usable in the gui |
| 04:26:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Nah, it's a completely different buffering algorithm at stake here. |
| 04:26:44 | ashridah | ah |
| 04:26:47 | twisted` | I mean I don't think what maeck made is actually workin... on anythin that has a b/w screen |
| 04:26:58 | * | ashridah should probably have read up more closely |
| 04:27:31 | twisted` | but the idea of "keeping everything the same: |
| 04:27:32 | twisted` | is well |
| 04:27:33 | Galois | the larger point is that, despite rockbox's simplicity goal, you're eventually going to have to drop ancient hardware and just move on and say "anybody with such-and-such old hardware should stick to rockbox 3.0" |
| 04:27:35 | twisted` | OK on one hand |
| 04:27:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: It's basically "Buffering some of your music, +intros to the next X song in the playlist" vs "Buffer as much sequential music as possible" |
| 04:27:43 | twisted` | but on the other |
| 04:27:43 | ashridah | i agree on the consistency issue. It's *very* important for blind users, in particular. the instructions should be the same no matter what platform they're using |
| 04:27:55 | twisted` | your just... lettin sweet stuff... go because you want to stick to old 'n simple |
| 04:27:55 | maeck | twisted. The thing I did was for ipod videos only. Did not spend time for different screensizes or grey screens. |
| 04:28:04 | twisted` | maeck: ya precisely |
| 04:28:08 | maeck | Although, It could work on the gray screen ipods aswell |
| 04:28:10 | lostlogic | intro buffering is deadweight unless you skip tracks a lot |
| 04:28:17 | * | lostlogic poops on it. |
| 04:28:22 | Galois | ashridah: you can maintain old versions for niche users. Linux and apache both do it that way. |
| 04:28:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah, I'm very anti-intro buffering as it can be avoided simply by making a playlist of music you actually *like* |
| 04:28:43 | Galois | niche to me means "hardware that is not widely available any more" |
| 04:28:56 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: impossible |
| 04:29:06 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: but then again you probably don't had ADHD or ADD |
| 04:29:06 | twisted` | :P |
| 04:29:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Actually, I've been diagnosed with ADD. Just, y'know, for the record. |
| 04:29:35 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: then... I got no idea how you can have a playlist setup you like |
| 04:29:40 | twisted` | but then again it's possible |
| 04:29:50 | Galois | Paul_The_Nerd: my argument for it is that it doesn't cost the user anything (except in weird cases like "user has archos" or "user uses WAV files") |
| 04:30:05 | Galois | the only cost is on lostlogic here |
| 04:30:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Intro Buffering doesn't cost the user *much* |
| 04:30:12 | lostlogic | I won't implement it |
| 04:30:13 | Galois | or someone ... to code it up |
| 04:30:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Trivial" is different from "Nothing" |
| 04:30:17 | lostlogic | someone else would hafta |
| 04:30:18 | lostlogic | ;) |
| 04:30:34 | twisted` | that;s just plain stubborness |
| 04:30:34 | twisted` | lol |
| 04:30:35 | lostlogic | and so far I'm the only one other than Slasheri brave enough to work on the swcodec playback system |
| 04:30:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:30:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think keeping one buffering system is a good idea anyway. |
| 04:30:49 | lostlogic | twisted`: if this was my paying job, I might, but it's not |
| 04:30:55 | twisted` | lostlogic: true |
| 04:30:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be really hard to maintain two if something else changes. |
| 04:31:14 | twisted` | anyway |
| 04:31:14 | twisted` | me go sleep |
| 04:31:25 | twisted` | gotta pick up this hot foxy lady from the train in a couple o hours |
| 04:31:28 | twisted` | so me catch some sleep... |
| 04:31:32 | twisted` | nite |
| 04:31:33 | lostlogic | plus, the whole idea of metadata on buffer and doing away with the track structs gets eaten if we do this intro buffering, because we once again need two seprate ring buffers |
| 04:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:31:46 | maeck | This is my last comment on the intro caching: The thing is that two very polular players followed this scheme... and it was not the easiest solution. |
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| 04:32:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Ah, but those two players are not Rockbox, and Rockbox is not them. |
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| 04:32:16 | sharpe | i've an idea. |
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| 04:32:41 | sharpe | it would be completely redundant. |
| 04:32:46 | sharpe | and wouldn't solve anything. |
| 04:32:49 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:32:50 | maeck | Paul: true... but they have 'mostly' the same users and behaviours. |
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| 04:33:11 | michaelconner | hi all... got a quick compilation question |
| 04:33:18 | lostlogic | how about this, rockbox wants smarter users than the people who use mainstream players with stock firmware |
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| 04:33:29 | Galois | time will solve this problem without any developer effort though |
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| 04:33:41 | michaelconner | if i want to do a compile without the CPU scaling for 4G iPod |
| 04:33:46 | Galois | a 64 meg buffer is already enough to hold almost a whole album with mp3 |
| 04:33:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Since Rockbox is Open Source, the users are always welcome to make it behave how they expect, but until then it's at the whim of how "Those who write it" prefer to have their music played. |
| 04:34:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 04:34:02 | lostlogic | michaelconner: comment out has adjustable cpu freq in the config_ipod4g.h |
| 04:34:09 | lostlogic | michaelconner: or whatever that file is called for your player |
| 04:34:11 | michaelconner | is all i need to do this? put "//" in front of #define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ |
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| 04:34:20 | michaelconner | right |
| 04:34:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | michaelconner: Yes. :) |
| 04:34:23 | michaelconner | and then compile? |
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| 04:34:27 | sharpe | yes |
| 04:34:31 | michaelconner | cool! |
| 04:34:33 | * | goffa_ knows Paul_The_Nerd's comment to maeck all too well |
| 04:34:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | michaelconner: Good luck. Sorry we haven't been able to reproduce the bug you've been having here. |
| 04:34:42 | michaelconner | hey, no problem |
| 04:34:58 | michaelconner | now that i found i can charge in the car via firewire, the battery life isn't as much a problem anymore |
| 04:35:17 | maeck | Paul: true. That is why I'll make a graphical menu for myself. Anyone can use it if they like... if not... why would I care |
| 04:35:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Hehehe. |
| 04:35:28 | * | lostlogic cheers for opensource |
| 04:35:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Well, I'm actually for "Configurable behaviour of the select button" since in most cases it reproduces the behaviour of the "Right" button anyway. |
| 04:35:46 | michaelconner | thanks for the help, folks |
| 04:35:47 | sharpe | heh, i fixed my problem with the scrolling thru the alphabet... |
| 04:36:09 | goffa_ | yeah... but its still to the will of the developers |
| 04:36:17 | sharpe | except i have to fix the fact that it gets the button status... at least hundreds of times per second. |
| 04:36:22 | michaelconner | nite all |
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| 04:36:52 | lostlogic | goffa_: your thought has its merrits, but I'm not an interface person, so it's not up to me ;) |
| 04:36:54 | goffa_ | heh.. by the time i learn c rockbox will be obsolete |
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| 04:37:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Rockbox will NEVER be Obsolete. |
| 04:37:07 | lostlogic | goffa_: rockbox will never be obsolete ;) |
| 04:37:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | DO NOT SAY THAT. :-P |
| 04:37:15 | goffa_ | by the time i learn c it will be :) |
| 04:37:24 | goffa_ | if you get my drift |
| 04:37:30 | * | lostlogic smacks goffa_ with his deitel and deitel book |
| 04:37:36 | maeck | c is really easy |
| 04:37:48 | * | goffa_ doesn't think he is going to learn it though |
| 04:37:50 | lostlogic | C is certainly easier to understand than ENGLISH! |
| 04:38:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Especially the way some people type it. ;-) |
| 04:38:17 | sharpe | or speak it. |
| 04:38:23 | maeck | unless you try to understand /apps/list.c (me have trouble keeping up with all the pointers and such) |
| 04:38:25 | midkay | or spray it. |
| 04:38:36 | sharpe | speak it, don't spray it, midkay. |
| 04:38:47 | sharpe | wait |
| 04:38:49 | midkay | spray it, don't... .. sharpe. |
| 04:38:50 | sharpe | that didn't work right. |
| 04:38:56 | maeck | You can spray C in one swoop... |
| 04:38:57 | lostlogic | maeck: you should try playback.c on for size some day |
| 04:39:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had one post in the forums, the only way I knew I'd actually solved his problem was because the first two words were "Thank you"... the whole rest of it... I dunno. |
| 04:39:11 | midkay | but you can't spray one swoop in C! |
| 04:39:13 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:39:17 | sharpe | sure you can |
| 04:39:24 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha. |
| 04:39:39 | sharpe | random letters, with a semicolon every twenty characters. |
| 04:40:04 | goffa_ | Paul_The_Nerd: was probably one of mine |
| 04:40:05 | goffa_ | lol |
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| 04:40:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Nah, I'm about 95% sure he wasn't a native english speaker, and had either really crappy translation software, or was just guessing half the time |
| 04:41:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, how 'bout that post on slow scrolling + the "new scroll settings in the display menu". haha, that one was good.. |
| 04:41:11 | goffa_ | i'm just giving you shit |
| 04:41:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 04:41:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I was tempted to correct them, but I just couldn't. Car-wreck effect. |
| 04:42:39 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha. |
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| 04:43:28 | sharpe | i think it's funny when people place spoken accents into text. |
| 04:43:38 | sharpe | or try to work them into text... |
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| 04:43:57 | goffa_ | i think its funny that whenever my boss emails me he finds a way to throw the word "fallowing" in there |
| 04:44:04 | goffa_ | like "please order the fallowing" |
| 04:44:08 | midkay | sharpe, i think it's funny that something's wrong with you. |
| 04:44:13 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:44:31 | midkay | silence. i love it. |
| 04:44:32 | goffa_ | i send emails back "i've ordered the following:" |
| 04:44:40 | midkay | goffa_, haha. |
| 04:44:55 | goffa_ | he's an okie |
| 04:44:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I can't *stand* when people intentionally type "aboot" |
| 04:44:59 | midkay | start being a bit more firm.. |
| 04:45:07 | sharpe | aboot? |
| 04:45:11 | midkay | "i've ordered the <b>following</b>" |
| 04:45:46 | sharpe | like, the concatenation of 'a boot' ? |
| 04:45:52 | midkay | gradually work it up to like "i've ordered the <i><b><u>_*FOLLOWING*_</i></b></u>" :) |
| 04:45:57 | lostlogic | whut aboot it? :-D |
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| 04:46:03 | sharpe | ooh, use the blink tag! |
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| 04:46:10 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:46:25 | goffa_ | grr... i can't find my tape measure |
| 04:46:25 | sharpe | and some javascript to change the colors. |
| 04:46:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe; Like "about" but wishing they were Canadian or something |
| 04:46:46 | midkay | :o :o :o |
| 04:46:51 | sharpe | oh. |
| 04:47:00 | sharpe | i see what you're talking aboot. |
| 04:47:04 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha. 'wishing'. |
| 04:47:12 | Galois | canadians don't even say aboot |
| 04:47:18 | lostlogic | Galois: I beg to differ |
| 04:47:21 | lostlogic | the ones I work with do. |
| 04:47:26 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:48:06 | goffa_ | aboat |
| 04:48:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | They *say* aboot. |
| 04:48:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | They still type in English |
| 04:48:25 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 04:48:44 | * | goffa_ lives urinating distance from canada |
| 04:48:47 | goffa_ | well not quite |
| 04:48:48 | goffa_ | but close |
| 04:49:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd lives in the Anti-Canada, also known as Texas. |
| 04:49:03 | goffa_ | i guess i'm further away than i used to be |
| 04:49:18 | goffa_ | used to be 16 mi.. now i'm 20 |
| 04:49:27 | goffa_ | or so |
| 04:49:57 | sharpe | heh, is it that tetonic plate shifting? :) |
| 04:50:09 | goffa_ | uh.. yeah |
| 04:50:23 | goffa_ | actually... moved 50 mi away from where i grew up |
| 04:50:39 | maeck | takes me a 5 minute longer flight to get back to San Fran every Thursday... |
| 04:50:46 | sharpe | considering they move a few centimeters per year... |
| 04:50:51 | sharpe | damn, you're one old person. |
| 04:52:32 | sharpe | ahh |
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| 04:52:40 | sharpe | buttons don't like me now. |
| 04:52:53 | dr3wster | hey, how can I install rockboy on my 5g video ipod? |
| 04:53:01 | sharpe | it's already installed |
| 04:53:09 | dr3wster | oh, it is? where? |
| 04:53:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | dr3wster: Read the PluginRockboy wiki page |
| 04:53:20 | lostlogic | DOESN"T WORK |
| 04:53:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Break something else? |
| 04:53:36 | sharpe | ooh, you used shift for the quotation marks too. |
| 04:53:47 | dr3wster | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, I just need to get a .gb file and open it? |
| 04:53:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | dr3wster: Yup |
| 04:54:12 | dr3wster | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, got a good site?;) |
| 04:54:15 | lostlogic | I thought rockboy on 5g was borked |
| 04:54:20 | sharpe | google! |
| 04:54:24 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:54:30 | sharpe | never fails... |
| 04:54:35 | dr3wster | sharpe: good call |
| 04:54:42 | dr3wster | so does rockboy actually work? |
| 04:54:44 | sharpe | then you have the bittorrent sites, if you can't find any. |
| 04:54:55 | sharpe | and that's all the information i'm legally allowed to give out. |
| 04:54:55 | lostlogic | gah, that's like the 3rd time I've tried to grab the 5 SEK coins I have left over from devcon to do laundry. |
| 04:54:56 | maeck | google has a nice option in the search: name filetype:gb |
| 04:55:11 | maeck | or filetype:torrent |
| 04:55:16 | dr3wster | thanks |
| 04:55:21 | sharpe | or, "http://torrentz.com" |
| 04:55:42 | midkay | hm, am i alone in thinking that the struct "bjmenu" in Jewels is a tad bit suggestive? :p |
| 04:55:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: "Works" is true or false depending on whether you mean "Can I play" or "Can I play in a way that is enjoyable?" |
| 04:56:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Hahaha! |
| 04:56:05 | Inc | My Apple firmware looks funny when I boot into it! |
| 04:56:06 | Inc | Update your bootloader to the newest version (available at the IpodInstallation page) and this problem should be fixed. |
| 04:56:11 | Inc | what does it do to it? |
| 04:56:13 | midkay | #define BJ_HEIGHT 9 |
| 04:56:14 | midkay | :o |
| 04:56:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: What? |
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| 04:56:57 | Inc | I saw it on the FAQ's |
| 04:57:12 | sharpe | it implores the use of magic. |
| 04:57:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: The original version of the Bootloader for the 4G grayscale did not wholly handle things properly, so when it then proceeded to load the Apple Firmware, there were small glitches in the display |
| 04:57:51 | Inc | I see. |
| 04:58:06 | Inc | so would you guy's recommend the auto installer? |
| 04:58:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 04:58:13 | midkay | haha. bj->dirty = true; |
| 04:58:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | But then, I always recommend "Do it yourself" |
| 04:58:18 | midkay | seriously.. someone perverted wrote this.. |
| 04:58:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The autoinstaller has been known to not properly work though. |
| 04:58:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, one of them has |
| 04:58:41 | goffa_ | i don't think copying the prebuilt extracted zip could be easier to be honest |
| 04:58:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's like 5 installers / install scripts / batch files / stuff |
| 04:59:03 | Inc | Paul_The_Nerd~, why not the auto installer? |
| 04:59:04 | maeck | goffa: this is about putting a new bootloader on. |
| 04:59:22 | Inc | I see. |
| 04:59:23 | goffa_ | on the x5 that isn't hard either |
| 04:59:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: Because it doesn't work for everyone, and it's really not that hard to do it the proper way. |
| 04:59:54 | Inc | yeh tis just a pain in the ass |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:04 | Inc | and I'm really really not sure |
| 05:00:18 | Inc | how to make it boot the ipod firmware defualt. |
| 05:00:23 | Inc | well how to insert that patch. |
| 05:00:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you think you're going to want to boot the ipod fimware default, there's probably no real point in installing RB anyway |
| 05:00:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just do IpodLinux. |
| 05:00:49 | Galois | there's lots of wiki pages that tell you how to patch. Pick one. |
| 05:01:08 | Inc | ipod linux is more likley to fail from what I've heard. |
| 05:01:19 | sharpe | i've an idea to fix the problem with people wanting to boot into the apple firmware with rockbox! |
| 05:01:22 | Inc | not to mention the fact that I'm more stressed about that screwing up my ipod. |
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| 05:01:54 | sharpe | we put a timeout in the bootloader, so if a person presses a button, it will instead boot the ipod firmware instead of rockbox. |
| 05:02:01 | sharpe | ingenious plan, isn't it? |
| 05:02:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: Well, IpodLinux is as safe as Rockbox really. You can't really permanently screw up your ipod anyway. But Linux offers a bunch of non music stuff |
| 05:02:11 | Inc | ipodlinux is a bit more destructive correct? |
| 05:02:20 | sharpe | if you want it to be.. |
| 05:02:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: Rockbox is designed to be a music player. And if you don't want it to boot primary, clearly you're not really interested in that aspect of it. |
| 05:02:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: If you call "repartitioning" destructive. I wouldn't. |
| 05:02:44 | Inc | I see. |
| 05:02:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Defeats the purpose of having it be "as fast as possible" |
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| 05:02:56 | Inc | I call it a pain in the ass :) |
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| 05:03:13 | sharpe | but you're not seeing the irony of it paul. |
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| 05:03:20 | Inc | opps |
| 05:03:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Clearly I am not |
| 05:03:43 | Inc | plus I don't thing there's color stuff with ipod linux |
| 05:03:48 | Inc | or at least I haven't seen one. |
| 05:03:56 | sharpe | it already boots the regular ipod firmware in a similar fashion. |
| 05:04:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Ah, I thought you were suggesting having it wait an extra few seconds. |
| 05:04:19 | sharpe | nah. |
| 05:04:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | During which if the button is pressed at all, boot retail |
| 05:04:43 | Galois | anyway, doesn't the apple firmware have a sleep mode that ensures it stays in apple mode until you reset it? |
| 05:04:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: There are colour themes for IpodLinux. But really, why does how the OS looks matter at all anyway. Rockbox really doesn't look very good at all except while playing music. |
| 05:05:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: I think if you let it sleep long enough it actually shuts down. Not sure though. |
| 05:05:21 | Galois | maybe, but I've never managed to wait long enough to have it shut down |
| 05:05:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's like 48 hours or something. Maybe more? |
| 05:05:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or a little less? |
| 05:06:21 | Inc | Paul_The_Nerd~, I see so you'd suggest ipod linux? |
| 05:06:25 | Inc | is it easy to install? |
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| 05:06:35 | Inc | lets say if I partition off 528 mb for it? |
| 05:06:38 | Inc | or a 1gb. |
| 05:06:41 | RoC_MM | yes |
| 05:06:48 | RoC_MM | but it's a bit harder to get it to use the latest nightlies |
| 05:07:02 | RoC_MM | and who knows who old version of ipodlinux the windows installer uses |
| 05:07:03 | sharpe | grar! |
| 05:07:10 | Inc | I see. |
| 05:07:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: It's probably about as easy as the "official" way for Rockbox. It really depends on what you want your alternate OS to do on the player, but Linux is designed for more "Varied functions" while Rockbox is "A music player that's better tahn RetailOS at playing music" |
| 05:07:16 | RoC_MM | rockbox is just superior |
| 05:07:35 | Inc | but you can't use the same games that ipod linux right? |
| 05:07:44 | RoC_MM | and ipodlinux is just more for those who want do run linux on their ipod, as opposed to just play music, which is rockbox. |
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| 05:07:48 | RoC_MM | Rockbox is much better. |
| 05:07:55 | dr3wster | does anyone know what the buttons are for rockboy for the ipod 5g? |
| 05:07:57 | RoC_MM | (for those who want to play actual music) |
| 05:08:03 | maeck | rockbox has a different target |
| 05:08:24 | maeck | rockbox plays music. Is not an operating system like ipod linux. |
| 05:08:30 | RoC_MM | correct, as I said. |
| 05:09:08 | Inc | RoC_MM~, I don't want to use it to play music. |
| 05:09:14 | RoC_MM | I think Rockbox has shown better support for music players. |
| 05:09:27 | sharpe | it supports more players... |
| 05:09:31 | sharpe | but, that's redundant also |
| 05:09:42 | sharpe | as it's rockbox, versus "iPodLinux" |
| 05:09:43 | RoC_MM | What do you want to do with your iPod music player Inc? |
| 05:10:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | dr3wster: The buttons suck right now. ALOT. Like, no A or B button, I think |
| 05:10:05 | Inc | RoC_MM~, use it to run applications and use the default ipod stuff for my media playing |
| 05:10:08 | dr3wster | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 05:10:10 | dr3wster | thanks, Paul_The_Nerd |
| 05:10:29 | RoC_MM | I heard it was hard to do "linuxy" things on the ipod, because there are no keyboard buttons. |
| 05:10:43 | RoC_MM | It's a little hard to type with a scrollwheel. |
| 05:11:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Alright, I've been listening to a playlist of JUST mp3 audio for who knows how long now, and haven't had a single skip or problem. I think I'm going to say the problem he was having is definitely atypical, or at least "not easily reproduced" |
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| 05:14:15 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hehe, bueno |
| 05:14:28 | yishunguy | mm... hi |
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| 05:14:37 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: although if it started recently... hard to judge if I may be the cause :- |
| 05:14:40 | lostlogic | \ |
| 05:15:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well he said something like a week or two? |
| 05:15:23 | lostlogic | which is indeed when I started messing with it |
| 05:15:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah, but I imagine at least ONE other person would have this problem if he has it on TWO h140s |
| 05:16:00 | lostlogic | 2006-03-23 seems to be the first commit in this mess |
| 05:16:04 | lostlogic | with several near that time |
| 05:16:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Especially since it sounds like the problem has been the same across all your messing with playback.c, I'm thinking maybe the cable on his headphones is just loose. |
| 05:16:06 | Inc | Paul_The_Nerd~, so why ipodlinux over rockbox if rockbox has games and what not. |
| 05:16:13 | lostlogic | and then starting in earnest on 4/2 |
| 05:16:14 | Inc | does ipod linux look better or something? |
| 05:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inc: Because Rockbox just has a couple games, and is really designed to be a music player. |
| 05:16:30 | yishunguy | i was wondering, if while using high end earphones, like UE's; if you use rockbox's crossfeed and eq settings, would it improve or degrade the audio quality? |
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| 05:16:47 | yishunguy | would it help at all? |
| 05:17:00 | speacial_ed | Inc, why dont you just get both and see which one you prefer |
| 05:17:07 | lostlogic | yishunguy: any audio post processing technically reduces quality, but to your perception it may improve it, it really depends on how you like to hear music and what type of music you are listening to |
| 05:17:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | yishunguy: It really depends. If your UEs have a weakness the EQ can help slightly make up for it. And Crossfeed really is more opinion than anything |
| 05:17:27 | * | lostlogic shuts up and lets Paul handle the users' questions |
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| 05:17:44 | maeck | What do you guys think of the following icons: |
| 05:17:46 | maeck | RECENT BOOKMARKSBook with red bookmark |
| 05:17:48 | maeck | SOUND SETTINGSLoudspeaker |
| 05:17:49 | maeck | GENERAL SETTINGSToolbox |
| 05:17:50 | maeck | MANAGE SETTINGSFloppydisk |
| 05:17:52 | maeck | BROWSE THEMESPaintbrush |
| 05:17:53 | maeck | PLAYLIST OPTIONSList |
| 05:17:55 | maeck | BROWSE PLUGINSPlug and wire |
| 05:17:56 | maeck | INFOQuestion mark |
| 05:18:04 | maeck | Hits the purpose of the menu? somewhat? |
| 05:18:05 | sharpe | well, they're text-like |
| 05:18:22 | maeck | Oh, did not notice. Look like icons to me... |
| 05:18:29 | lostlogic | Manage settings I'm not sure of the rest are cute |
| 05:18:32 | maeck | I M A G I N A T I O N |
| 05:18:35 | yishunguy | thanks a lot... just that i was thinking of getting the UE's... and with my standard apple buds, crossfeed actually makes the sound more expansive... |
| 05:18:51 | lostlogic | yishunguy: that will probably be true with any earphones |
| 05:19:53 | Inc | speacial_ed~, I guess I could. |
| 05:20:03 | maeck | BTW, is it normal if you do an unmount of your Ipod, the blinking stop sign remains? |
| 05:20:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | yishunguy: Especially in-ear ones, I'd imagine. |
| 05:20:29 | speacial_ed | Inc, seems like the best idea to me... and if ipod linux is noticably better, let me know... |
| 05:20:49 | Inc | heh. |
| 05:21:07 | Inc | speacial_ed~, I would guess I'd base it on all of which is the hardest. |
| 05:21:39 | speacial_ed | seems like a good way to choose to me |
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| 05:22:14 | yishunguy | yeah, i guess the issue is whether i should get in-ears or the big can types... \ |
| 05:22:16 | yishunguy | ;-) |
| 05:22:24 | Inc | speacial_ed~, yeh I'll have to look into the ease of install |
| 05:22:29 | sharpe | i just had another idea |
| 05:22:38 | speacial_ed | Inc, what are you installing on? |
| 05:22:43 | sharpe | that would be, essentially, useless. |
| 05:22:52 | Inc | speacial_ed~, ipod video 60gb. |
| 05:22:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:23:01 | Inc | IT seems you guy's have more support then ipodlinux |
| 05:23:04 | speacial_ed | Inc, its rockbox, all the way, no question about it |
| 05:23:20 | Inc | really? |
| 05:23:21 | speacial_ed | Inc, ipod linux install for 5g is insanely long |
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| 05:23:32 | Inc | haha. |
| 05:23:44 | dr3wster | so wait, rockbox is linux-based, right? Then is it possible to just take iboy from the ipodlinux project and run it in rockbox? |
| 05:23:48 | Inc | ok yeh the main things I wanted to do was doom and |
| 05:23:57 | Inc | the gameboy emulation. |
| 05:24:01 | Inc | dr3wster~, we have one. |
| 05:24:13 | dr3wster | Inc, but it's terrible for the ipodvideo |
| 05:24:16 | speacial_ed | Inc, gameboy emulation SUCKS on rockbox |
| 05:24:22 | speacial_ed | Inc, but doom is great |
| 05:24:33 | Inc | dr3wster~, I see. |
| 05:24:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | dr3wster: Rockbox is absolutely NOT linux based. |
| 05:24:37 | Inc | speacial_ed~, heh darn. |
| 05:24:44 | sharpe | but, we'll have c64 emulation for rockbox sometime :D |
| 05:24:45 | RoC_MM | maeck, once you unmount something, it's safe to disconnect no matter what the display says. Only time you will see the check mark indicating you can disconnect it, is when the Windows driver was used to access it. |
| 05:24:50 | dr3wster | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, I guess I just saw open-source and assumed:-p |
| 05:24:51 | dr3wster | thanks |
| 05:25:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | dr3wster: Man, *everyone* assumes we're linux based. |
| 05:25:08 | Inc | c64? |
| 05:25:15 | sharpe | commodore 64... |
| 05:25:15 | Inc | sharpe~, hah when's "sometime" |
| 05:25:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | We should rename the project to "Rockbox is not Linux!" |
| 05:25:30 | sharpe | sometime is when i finish it :) |
| 05:25:31 | Inc | how might I help withit to move it along say in the next few weeks :) |
| 05:25:33 | speacial_ed | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, do it |
| 05:25:39 | dr3wster | Paul_The_Nerd, well I followed the ipodlinux project and it had just gotten doom when I last checked and I saw an alternative OS called rockbox that had doom, so I just assumed |
| 05:25:47 | dr3wster | Paul_The_Nerd, but then it'll just sound too much like WINE |
| 05:26:04 | sharpe | i have no idea Inc... |
| 05:26:21 | Inc | sharpe~, no clue no progress nothing? |
| 05:26:43 | sharpe | i'm just working on a keyboard input type thing right now |
| 05:26:50 | sharpe | i've got the standard text mode working |
| 05:27:02 | sharpe | and configuration settings work. |
| 05:27:12 | Inc | so what's the delay? |
| 05:27:50 | sharpe | rockbox plugin button api function's dislike of me. |
| 05:27:51 | maeck | RoC_MM: That is what I thought. I felt perfectly okay to unplug it after unmount. It was just a bit different behaviour from the windows way |
| 05:27:58 | RoC_MM | Yes |
| 05:28:01 | sharpe | everything related to plugins hate me :) |
| 05:28:34 | speacial_ed | sharpe, i feel your pain, its ok |
| 05:28:47 | RoC_MM | maeck, Apple provided Windows with help to get the Windows driver to send the right signal. But once the umount completes, your good to go. Maybe one day Apple will be considerate and provide kernel.org with the proper signal to send to chance the indicator on the screen. |
| 05:31:41 | maeck | Probably part of the windows 'driver' that gets installed to access the usb drive. I guess |
| 05:34:54 | RoC_MM | it's the stock windows driver |
| 05:35:10 | RoC_MM | it's just a feature for noobies who disconnect without umounting |
| 05:36:49 | jnc | could i erm, run rockbox on a Mac colour classic >:) |
| 05:37:16 | jnc | biggest iWhatever |
| 05:38:11 | biffhero | how do I ues the tagcache, and start playing 'all songs' randomly? |
| 05:38:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Make sure Shuffles is on |
| 05:38:53 | biffhero | k |
| 05:38:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then go into the "Songs" list on the front page |
| 05:39:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then click any song in the list |
| 05:39:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then hit "Next" to get a random song. |
| 05:39:11 | biffhero | i used the new 'quick screen' on my ipod |
| 05:40:04 | biffhero | ok, for some reason it wasn't doing that before, or I wasn't patient enough. i might have been drilled down in a search, too. |
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| 05:42:27 | maeck | need sleep, bye |
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| 05:46:18 | sharpe | hmm... |
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| 05:54:56 | sharpe | blar |
| 05:55:47 | sharpe | queue is the most fun word to type. |
| 05:56:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 05:56:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Queueing is. |
| 05:57:20 | sharpe | heh. |
| 05:57:47 | sharpe | should i have a debug option in the config file ? |
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| 06:10:51 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: damn you're fast ;) |
| 06:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yes, but in that case my explanation is rather sorely lacking |
| 06:11:26 | lostlogic | mine is only marginally better, because I'm one lazy fuck |
| 06:11:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:11:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally I do whatever it is I'm doing, and every now and then think "Hey, I should hit refresh on that other window" |
| 06:11:58 | lostlogic | on the upside, I just did like 2 months worth of dishes, so my apartment sucks less. |
| 06:12:23 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, I understand... when I was a college student I was much the same (I assume that's what youa re?) |
| 06:13:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yup. |
| 06:13:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: A college student who eventually realized that in most cases he's serving one, and a stack of paper plates and other disposable dishes makes his kitchen *look* much neater most of the time. |
| 06:14:38 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: heeh, next apartment: dishwasher. I make too much money to be doing dishes by hand ;) |
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| 06:16:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Good plan |
| 06:19:10 | sharpe | i think your next apartment should be more than a dishwasher. |
| 06:19:13 | sharpe | :) |
| 06:22:41 | lostlogic | hmm, interesting ponit. Maybe I'll get a two bedroom: dishwasher, and a washer/dryer (the washer/dryer is the master bedroom) |
| 06:22:45 | lostlogic | point |
| 06:23:15 | sharpe | yeh, i'm always looking out for you :D |
| 06:23:41 | sharpe | wouldn't want you to have a cubic meter of living space without a bedroom, right? |
| 06:23:53 | lostlogic | :) |
| 06:24:32 | sharpe | i don't know how i'm going to get this keyboard input working... |
| 06:24:42 | lostlogic | sharpe: what's the prob? |
| 06:25:25 | sharpe | i'm trying to get the input to actually recognize it scrolling thru a set of characters, instead of just doing one movement |
| 06:25:38 | lostlogic | oh jeepers |
| 06:25:40 | * | lostlogic shuts up. |
| 06:25:47 | sharpe | or in other words, if the button is still pressed, keep scrolling. |
| 06:26:03 | sharpe | heh, why? |
| 06:26:22 | lostlogic | oh, wait, that shouldn't be a problem... |
| 06:26:34 | lostlogic | BUTTON|BUTTON_REPEAT => keep scrolling? |
| 06:26:49 | lostlogic | the button repeat events keep getting put on the queue by the rockbox button driver as long as the button's pressed |
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| 06:26:59 | sharpe | i did not know that. |
| 06:27:22 | sharpe | thank you. |
| 06:27:29 | lostlogic | sure thing :) |
| 06:27:40 | lostlogic | and here I was shutting up because I thought you had a complicated problem :-P |
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| 06:28:20 | sharpe | wait, is it just BUTTON_REPEAT that's put in the queue? |
| 06:28:38 | sharpe | or is it or'd with the buttons... |
| 06:28:51 | lostlogic | ord with the button being repeated |
| 06:28:53 | JdGordon | the 2nd |
| 06:29:01 | sharpe | 'kay. |
| 06:31:23 | sharpe | what should be a decent speed to scroll thru a set of characters, ie, how many times per second? |
| 06:31:47 | lostlogic | sharpe: you're going to artifically manage the button repeat events from the button driver? |
| 06:32:15 | sharpe | eh, somewhat. |
| 06:33:29 | speacial_ed | probably a stupid question, but, how do i get equalizers? |
| 06:34:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | speacial_ed: In the Sound settings menu? |
| 06:35:15 | speacial_ed | Paul_The_Nerd, it says preset eqs or something like that.... do i have to make all of them and save them or something? |
| 06:35:25 | sharpe | graphical eq? |
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| 06:36:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | speacial_ed: Yeah, those are ones you've saved, or someone else has saved and shared. |
| 06:37:16 | speacial_ed | Paul_The_Nerd, ok thanks... any ideas where I could get ones like those in the apple firmware? |
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| 06:38:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | speacial_ed: Not really. Generally, an equalizer is considered to be more personal taste anyway, so you're probably better off playing with it and finding settings that you like for different genres. |
| 06:38:52 | speacial_ed | Paul_The_Nerd, ok thanks for the info |
| 06:41:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other option is to just google around a bit, and see what common settings are for different types of music |
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| 06:45:06 | speacial_ed | Paul_The_Nerd, have been for a bit now.... I think Im set, and my friend went to a class all about equalizers and such, so Im gonna have him make me some if I fail horribly, which is likely |
| 06:45:49 | sharpe | heh, it's so easy for me to reverse the characters in the emulator... |
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| 06:53:18 | sharpe | don't think i'll be able to readily emulate 25fps... |
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| 06:59:23 | sharpe | odd... sometimes a certain key isn't registered... |
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| 07:11:53 | claym | I think I just bricked my iPod mini :) |
| 07:12:48 | sharpe | try restoring it |
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| 07:15:00 | ninow | i don't think this is a support channel, but would anyone mind lending their assistance to me? |
| 07:16:05 | speacial_ed | ninow, what do you need? |
| 07:16:36 | ninow | alright I followed the instructions on how to install rockbox for the ipod4g non-color |
| 07:17:01 | ninow | i'm not sure how to unzip the rockbox files to my ipod without itunes |
| 07:17:08 | ninow | as stated in step 2b |
| 07:17:28 | speacial_ed | right click the file click unzip to and go to e\ |
| 07:17:34 | speacial_ed | thats pretty much it |
| 07:17:47 | ninow | well i tried that |
| 07:18:07 | ninow | rebooted my ipod, and the ipod was the same as before, with the old firmware |
| 07:18:09 | sharpe | does your ipod show as a disk to windows? |
| 07:18:14 | ninow | yea |
| 07:18:29 | sharpe | did you extract the zip to the root of the disk? |
| 07:18:48 | ninow | well when i went to the disk, i just extraced everything right there |
| 07:18:50 | claym | ipodpatcher can't find it in windows and mac can't see it on mount. I think I bricked it good :) |
| 07:19:09 | speacial_ed | what i did to mine.. |
| 07:19:10 | ninow | extracted* |
| 07:19:12 | speacial_ed | i feel your pain |
| 07:19:30 | speacial_ed | rather, what it did to me |
| 07:20:40 | ninow | under h:, i have .rockbox, notes, rockbox.ipod, calendars, and contacts |
| 07:20:46 | ninow | i guess i could try installing it again |
| 07:21:01 | sharpe | are you sure you have the bootloader on your ipod? |
| 07:21:46 | claym | I can't even enter disk mode. Do I win a prize for this? :D |
| 07:21:55 | ninow | sharpe: is that the 40mb file? |
| 07:21:59 | ninow | bootpartition.bin |
| 07:22:05 | speacial_ed | claym, not if i dont! |
| 07:22:12 | speacial_ed | claym, I did it before you to! |
| 07:22:43 | claym | speacial_ed: :( |
| 07:22:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:23:05 | speacial_ed | claym, we could share a prize, I suppose, but I demand at least a cookie! |
| 07:23:23 | claym | speacial_ed: haha, sure. :P |
| 07:23:25 | sharpe | ninow: did you do step 'f' ? |
| 07:23:40 | sharpe | or e |
| 07:23:57 | ninow | ah no, I browsed through it quickly |
| 07:24:03 | ninow | that was after the linux part |
| 07:24:08 | ninow | muahah thank you! |
| 07:24:14 | sharpe | heh |
| 07:24:18 | sharpe | welcome |
| 07:24:19 | claym | speacial_ed: I turned it on, and the backlight is on. The apple is staring me in the face, and it does nothing. :) I'm going to wait for the battery to die, then try to enter disk mode right away. Right now I can't even turn it off. :) |
| 07:24:26 | ninow | ah it's kind of confusing though |
| 07:24:32 | ninow | i figured it was all the same thing |
| 07:24:35 | ninow | which didn't pertain to me |
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| 07:25:26 | sharpe | heh |
| 07:26:17 | speacial_ed | claym, little differant than mine.... it had full or at least almost full battery, decided it hated life, said the battery was empty, and nothing would recognize it so i couldnt restore and O had tried reseting and such... that was my nano, which I got my warrenty on, and happily bought my 5g |
| 07:28:34 | claym | I think I can fix it IF I manage to get to disk mode. I'm assuming if when you turn an iPod on, the select and play button are pushed, it ignores all software and just functions as a USB hard drive. But I neeed mine to turn off before I can test that theory. :) |
| 07:29:00 | ninow | k got it, thanks again |
| 07:29:12 | claym | At least it's backlight is stuck on. That should make the battery die quickly :) |
| 07:29:19 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:30:02 | sharpe | claym, so you can't even restart it? |
| 07:30:06 | Galois | can't you reset it? |
| 07:30:24 | claym | Nope. No matter what buttons I push. It stays the same. Apple on screen. Backlight on. |
| 07:30:43 | Galois | select+menu for 10 seconds should kill it in hardware |
| 07:31:01 | Galois | if not, something's wrong :/ |
| 07:31:23 | claym | now it's endlessly resetting |
| 07:31:25 | claym | o.o |
| 07:31:27 | claym | This is magic |
| 07:31:32 | sharpe | at least you're somewhere :) |
| 07:31:36 | claym | Kinda funny to watch though. lol |
| 07:32:02 | sharpe | try to put it in disk mode from there... |
| 07:32:17 | claym | HAH! Got it! |
| 07:32:20 | claym | <3 |
| 07:37:42 | sharpe | ahah, i fixed the problem... |
| 07:37:51 | speacial_ed | nicely done |
| 07:37:59 | speacial_ed | thats why we all love you sharpe |
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| 07:38:26 | speacial_ed | i mean, besides the fact ive said like 2 words to you before, and besides that know nothing of you |
| 07:38:31 | sharpe | yay for correct keyboard input for the c64 emulator |
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| 07:39:36 | sharpe | now i can do like |
| 07:39:38 | sharpe | other things |
| 07:39:44 | sharpe | instead of working on that problem |
| 07:41:36 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 07:41:41 | speacial_ed | woohoo for like other things |
| 07:41:48 | speacial_ed | :P |
| 07:41:54 | sharpe | and it's realatively emulating it at a decent speed |
| 07:41:58 | sharpe | relatively |
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| 07:42:20 | speacial_ed | well thats swell |
| 07:42:22 | speacial_ed | i suppose |
| 07:42:30 | speacial_ed | i have no clue what c64 is |
| 07:42:37 | speacial_ed | commodore? |
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| 07:43:02 | sharpe | yes |
| 07:43:11 | speacial_ed | woohoo for my awesome guessing skills |
| 07:46:53 | sharpe | i should add a setting for the frame rate, and for the scrolling sensitivity |
| 07:47:14 | sharpe | to the configuration... |
| 07:49:18 | ninow | hmm all my artists show as F00, F01, etc. |
| 07:49:26 | sharpe | heh... |
| 07:49:46 | sharpe | you're using the "ipod_control" folder, aren't you? |
| 07:49:53 | sharpe | or, the ones stored in there. |
| 07:49:59 | ninow | yes |
| 07:50:24 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 07:50:28 | sharpe | itunes does that |
| 07:50:55 | ninow | hmm should i drag and drop my songs on there into a new folder? |
| 07:50:58 | sharpe | you'll either have to use the tagcache, or copy over all your music folders, unmangled |
| 07:51:05 | sharpe | si |
| 07:52:01 | ninow | what is the tagcache? |
| 07:52:17 | sharpe | database of the id3 tags of all of your music |
| 07:54:52 | speacial_ed | ninow, go to general settings, playback, force tagcache update |
| 07:55:03 | sharpe | but i'm not one to ask about it, i don't use it. |
| 07:55:40 | ninow | yeah i'm following something on the website |
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| 07:55:44 | speacial_ed | i usually boot to regular firmware for my music and such, but only because of the EQs |
| 07:55:56 | ninow | i feel the hard drive spinning, how long should it take? |
| 07:56:08 | sharpe | depends on how much music you have |
| 07:56:20 | sharpe | just be sure you don't turn off your player :) |
| 07:56:23 | speacial_ed | not too long no matter what though |
| 07:56:28 | ninow | k |
| 07:56:36 | ninow | i only have about 1000 songs |
| 07:56:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: in fact yes, tagcache has a history table in memory that makes the updates usually quite fast even without dircache |
| 07:56:51 | speacial_ed | i have 1000 something too, didnt take more than 3 minutes |
| 07:56:56 | ninow | alright |
| 07:56:57 | speacial_ed | max |
| 07:57:03 | ninow | and this will allow me to see the tags? |
| 07:57:07 | sharpe | si |
| 07:57:11 | ninow | sweet |
| 07:57:14 | sharpe | browse music by the tags |
| 07:57:40 | sharpe | of course, it may be hell if they're not all tagged. |
| 07:57:43 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:58:54 | amiconn | morning |
| 07:59:01 | speacial_ed | hello |
| 07:59:06 | sharpe | 'lo |
| 07:59:18 | speacial_ed | he says morning and im about to hit the sack |
| 07:59:42 | sharpe | that's due to timezone differences. |
| 07:59:43 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:59:55 | speacial_ed | i figured as much |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:05 | speacial_ed | no, actaully, i thought he was a VAMPIRE!!! |
| 08:00:12 | speacial_ed | who has a love for all things rockbox |
| 08:00:37 | speacial_ed | that is right, isnt it? |
| 08:00:45 | amiconn | Slasheri: It still takes quite some time to build the full cache on archos, but it's bearable.(with my ~3000 songs, the scan took 17 minutes, and the commit took ~5 minutes) |
| 08:00:55 | sharpe | no, he's on the polyphasic sleep cycle. every few hours is morning to him. |
| 08:01:15 | speacial_ed | ok, easy on your fancy words here, its late for me |
| 08:01:18 | speacial_ed | lol |
| 08:01:23 | sharpe | tis what it's called... |
| 08:02:04 | speacial_ed | do you guys know where i could download some EQ presets... i really dont feel like making my own |
| 08:02:27 | ninow | k got it, thanks again |
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| 08:02:52 | sharpe | you could just, load up winamp and mess around with the eq settings until you find one you like... |
| 08:02:57 | sharpe | or foobar2000 |
| 08:03:02 | sharpe | or windows media player |
| 08:03:07 | sharpe | or itunes... |
| 08:03:14 | sharpe | or your media player of choice. |
| 08:03:35 | sharpe | then just create a preset on your player with those band settings |
| 08:03:49 | speacial_ed | blah i feared that was coming |
| 08:03:54 | speacial_ed | fine, ill stop being lazy |
| 08:03:59 | sharpe | mmhmm |
| 08:04:13 | ninow | i just got a pause in one of the songs, for like a second |
| 08:04:17 | ninow | is that preventable? |
| 08:04:23 | sharpe | were you scrolling a lot? |
| 08:04:26 | speacial_ed | are you scrolling threw songs |
| 08:04:44 | ninow | oh, yea |
| 08:04:55 | sharpe | what player do you have again? |
| 08:05:03 | ninow | ipod, 4th gen |
| 08:05:06 | sharpe | okay |
| 08:06:21 | sharpe | if i remember correctly, it's because of the button driver, for lack of a better term, throwing or calling interrupts for each time the wheel is scrolled... |
| 08:06:28 | sharpe | if you can get anything out of that. |
| 08:06:42 | sharpe | and that's a lot of times when you scroll fast... |
| 08:07:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: it would be possible still to make the update little faster by using the same directory recursion mechanism as dircache uses, and passing those direct fat entry pointers to open |
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| 08:09:12 | xenyz | excellent project, really impressed with it. one quick question: is it possible to view id3 tags in the playlist? i'm using the tagcache |
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| 08:11:24 | sharpe | now i get to figure out how to emulate the c64's tape or disk drive. |
| 08:12:17 | ninow | how do i exit out of a game? |
| 08:12:28 | sharpe | press select and menu |
| 08:12:39 | ninow | won't that reset it? |
| 08:12:46 | ninow | nm |
| 08:12:47 | sharpe | not if you just press it, and not hold it |
| 08:12:48 | ninow | k |
| 08:14:15 | amiconn | Slasheri: I discovered a bug yesterday: Did a forced rebuild (with all tagcache_*.tcd deleted before), then rebooted. On iriver & ipod, after the commit finished and the browser appeared, I got a splash saying "Couldn't load codec: /.rockbox/codecs/mpa.codec". After that the tagcache told me that it wasn't ready; it took another reboot to make it work. |
| 08:14:20 | amiconn | This doesn't happen on archos; after the commit on boot the tagcache is immediately usable there. |
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| 08:15:30 | amiconn | Also, if that happens, and you try to switch back from tagcache to file view, no files are displayed |
| 08:15:44 | amiconn | This all is with dircache & tagcache-in-ram disabled |
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| 08:19:08 | Ave | you know guys, rockbox rocks! |
| 08:19:16 | speacial_ed | ill second that |
| 08:19:42 | Ave | btw, I noticed that rb uses common current draw figures for all models that dont have special numbers in powermgmt |
| 08:20:03 | speacial_ed | good night everybody, or morning, or afternoon, wherever you are |
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| 08:20:24 | ninow | so can i now just drag and drop files onto my ipod? |
| 08:20:30 | sharpe | yeah |
| 08:20:56 | ninow | i can't find where my files are to begin with |
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| 08:21:19 | xenyz | is it possible to use playlist with the tagcache? |
| 08:21:21 | ninow | you mentioned a "ipod_control" but when i go to my ipod, i don't see that |
| 08:21:28 | sharpe | it's a hidden file |
| 08:21:29 | sharpe | er |
| 08:21:30 | sharpe | folder |
| 08:22:03 | ninow | oh, so should i edit those songs through itunes? |
| 08:22:23 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 08:22:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, that is really weird |
| 08:22:45 | ninow | and then i guess create a new folder and start adding new songs from now on? |
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| 08:23:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, TagCache *definitely* needs a means by which to tell it to overlook some folders. |
| 08:23:28 | sharpe | wait, create a new folder where? |
| 08:23:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: probably it tries to allocate from dircache buffer which does not exist or something like that.. i will debug it soon |
| 08:23:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: TagCache Commit takes forever with 46,000 files. =/ |
| 08:23:55 | ninow | on the ipod |
| 08:24:04 | ninow | or should i just add folder by folder of my artists? |
| 08:24:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: with dircache enabled, building tatgcache should not require boots at all |
| 08:24:13 | sharpe | it's really up to you |
| 08:24:19 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: uh.. |
| 08:24:19 | ninow | like say I have all my artists in a folder labeled "music" should i just drag that over? |
| 08:24:26 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 08:24:28 | sharpe | if you wish |
| 08:24:37 | ninow | ok |
| 08:24:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: I wasn't thinking, and put the High Voltage SID collection on there, without disabling it first... 1/10 still. For quite a while. |
| 08:25:00 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, the current unique mechanism is a way too slow for that |
| 08:25:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: Yeah, I know. Still, I don't want to set the ram away permanently. I don't use tagcache that often, and you know that I'm not a friend of dirache... |
| 08:25:07 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 08:25:34 | Slasheri | amiconn: hehe :) |
| 08:26:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Too bad there's not a method to abort during "Committing TagCache" |
| 08:27:26 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: aborting it would make the tagcache unusable and it needs to be rebuilt again.. |
| 08:27:32 | Slasheri | but maybe we could add some way to do that |
| 08:27:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: Yes, but aborting would also let me just cancel it entirely by deleting the files |
| 08:27:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | As it is, the only choice I have is the reset button. |
| 08:27:52 | xenyz | ok i made a feature request. thanks a lot guys |
| 08:27:55 | Slasheri | true |
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| 08:29:02 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, why does the necessity of reboots for a tagcache rebuild depend on dircache? I thought the commit needs quite some ram for sorting, and that's why it can only be done at boot |
| 08:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think holding Stop for a set period should abort, and then it should require a forced rebuild before it's used again, or something. |
| 08:29:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2/10 |
| 08:29:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: it can steal the ram from dircache, that's the reason :) |
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| 08:30:08 | Slasheri | or it could steal also tagcache ram if tagcache is loaded in ram.. but at the moment that requires also dircache to be enabled |
| 08:30:36 | amiconn | Wiki spam alert.... |
| 08:31:29 | Slasheri | and basically dircache ram should be always enough, as long as tags are not longer than the filenames itself |
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| 08:34:35 | sharpe | ohes noes. |
| 08:36:27 | amiconn | Slasheri: So basically the tagcache commit wouldn't require a reboot on archos if it's allowed to stop playback? |
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| 08:43:43 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, true |
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| 09:01:13 | amiconn | reboot, brb |
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| 09:02:26 | schwab | hello |
| 09:03:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hi |
| 09:03:29 | schwab | whats up |
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| 09:06:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has decided too many things are non-interruptible. |
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| 09:10:20 | sharpe | time to see if joystick input will work... |
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| 09:13:38 | schwab | can anyone help me out with my WPS a little, i'm just trying to move the album art to the bottom right: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2110/dump0604180311587cf.jpg |
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| 09:15:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | schwab: Album Art isn't a feature of CVS Rockbox yet, so a lot of people here aren't even necessarily going to know how it works. |
| 09:15:12 | schwab | ah right |
| 09:15:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, can't you just give it an X and Y coordinate? |
| 09:15:52 | schwab | well where can i find info on coordinates, i think thats all i need to learn about |
| 09:16:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Coordinates are just the number of pixels horizontally (X) and vertically (Y) from the top left of the screen |
| 09:17:12 | schwab | hmmm ok. i need to find my screens dimensions then |
| 09:17:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | schwab: 220x176 if you're an iPod Photo or H3x0 |
| 09:18:07 | schwab | ya h340, thanks |
| 09:18:39 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: has HCl been active at all today? |
| 09:18:53 | schwab | one day i'm going to create a beautiful wps that everyone will want to use |
| 09:19:04 | JdGordon | not if it has AA on it.. |
| 09:19:18 | VoltageX | JdGordon: anti aliasing? |
| 09:19:24 | LinusN | Album Art |
| 09:19:24 | JdGordon | ablum art |
| 09:19:28 | VoltageX | oh |
| 09:19:37 | schwab | i'm just messing around/learning now |
| 09:19:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Haven't seen him. Haven't been around much myself though |
| 09:19:46 | VoltageX | ok |
| 09:20:01 | VoltageX | as you know, I've been on the edge of my seat waiting for DUMB |
| 09:21:49 | ravon | VoltageX: It almost worked yesterday. |
| 09:22:05 | ravon | Compiled but couldn't load modules :) |
| 09:23:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:23:59 | RedBreva | Quick question: The 'Browse Firmwares' menu option is flagged as MASCODEC only in the manual code, but surely that's wrong... don't all platforms have that option? |
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| 09:25:33 | sharpe | somebody, pick a combination of keys to switch between input modes. |
| 09:25:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | RedBreva: Really it's only useful on the Archoses as it's one of the means of loading their retail firmware I believe. It can also work on the H120 and H320 series as a means of loading different builds of Rockbox, but isn't functioning on the iPods, and causes problems on the X5 |
| 09:26:00 | LinusN | sharpe: alt-k? |
| 09:26:08 | sharpe | for the c64 emulator :D |
| 09:26:35 | LinusN | which target? |
| 09:26:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Menu+Play on iPods, Play+Navi on the H120. Don't know what's valid on other targets. |
| 09:26:42 | RedBreva | OK.. did not know that ;-) Does it browse root or .rockbox? or both!! |
| 09:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | RedBreva: No clue. |
| 09:27:00 | sharpe | eh, i've got it now. |
| 09:27:02 | sharpe | :) |
| 09:27:14 | sharpe | linus, have you seen what the emulator looks like so far? |
| 09:27:20 | LinusN | nope |
| 09:27:30 | RedBreva | OK, anyone any idea where the code is for that option? |
| 09:27:50 | B4gder | we want to see horizon demos in the C64 emu! ;-) |
| 09:28:01 | LinusN | B4gder: :-) |
| 09:28:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | RedBreva: I'm *guessing* it browses in the Root, since until recently that's where the rockbox binary *had* to be |
| 09:28:04 | B4gder | another way to get more of our code on target ;-) |
| 09:28:36 | LinusN | B4gder: i don't have the source code for those anymore :-) |
| 09:28:42 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/qdig/rockbox/rockboxc64_basicex.png is the latest one i've got. |
| 09:28:44 | B4gder | true, me neither |
| 09:29:13 | LinusN | sharpe: woooo |
| 09:29:24 | Bg3r | B4gder LinusN disk crashes ? |
| 09:29:41 | B4gder | more like many years gone by |
| 09:29:56 | B4gder | the last C64 demos we made was early 90s |
| 09:30:15 | B4gder | floppy disk time |
| 09:30:18 | Bg3r | still.. |
| 09:30:19 | Bg3r | ah |
| 09:30:22 | LinusN | Bg3r: well, i think i have the source for "the last traktor iii" somewhere on a 1541 disk |
| 09:31:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I take it you guys went by different names back then? |
| 09:32:01 | B4gder | I was Bagder back then too |
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| 09:32:12 | B4gder | Linus was Bogaloo though |
| 09:32:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to ask who Boogaloo was |
| 09:33:06 | B4gder | so four of us in Horizon are/were Rockbox committers |
| 09:33:30 | * | Paul_The_Nerd watches "the last traktor iii" |
| 09:33:33 | ravon | Horizon? The swedish group? |
| 09:33:41 | B4gder | ravon: yeps |
| 09:33:55 | ravon | Wasn't Gaijin (Thomas Norrg?rd) in it? :) |
| 09:34:05 | B4gder | well, Horizon on C64 |
| 09:34:08 | ravon | ah |
| 09:35:58 | sharpe | okay, i now have it able to switch between inputs... |
| 09:36:20 | LinusN | wow, tinysid is really tiny |
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| 09:36:32 | sharpe | how tiny? |
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| 09:36:46 | LinusN | −−-> <−−−− that tiny |
| 09:36:50 | B4gder | wow |
| 09:36:53 | B4gder | that's tiny! |
| 09:37:03 | sharpe | wow. |
| 09:37:25 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd what are you watching it on ? |
| 09:37:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: Just a random C64 emulator |
| 09:38:15 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 09:38:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | CCS64 v3.0 Beta 1.9 or something |
| 09:38:27 | * | Paul_The_Nerd notes there are far too many numbers in that name. |
| 09:38:38 | * | amiconn has quite some ideas how to speed up lcd updates on X5 |
| 09:38:51 | amiconn | Too bad I have no such beast for testing... |
| 09:38:52 | B4gder | neato |
| 09:39:07 | LinusN | amiconn: it looks like the lcd update is already too fast on x5 |
| 09:39:12 | amiconn | ? |
| 09:39:22 | LinusN | i see reports about artifacts |
| 09:39:22 | sharpe | anyone know what key added to the buffer to act as the backspace for the c64? |
| 09:39:26 | amiconn | Do you mean the broken partial updates? |
| 09:39:32 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:39:34 | sharpe | er, what key is... |
| 09:39:36 | amiconn | They aren't too fast |
| 09:39:45 | LinusN | oh, just my lame theory them |
| 09:39:50 | LinusN | then |
| 09:39:52 | amiconn | B4gder's optiomisation breaks partial updates |
| 09:39:55 | LinusN | aha |
| 09:40:01 | amiconn | I mentioned that multiple times here |
| 09:40:08 | LinusN | i've been away |
| 09:40:12 | B4gder | well I've been away |
| 09:40:18 | B4gder | too |
| 09:40:22 | amiconn | (and also the fact that it only gives the desired speedup in 50% of all cases) |
| 09:40:30 | petur | we noticed :) |
| 09:40:49 | B4gder | what is the "desired" speedup? |
| 09:41:04 | amiconn | The speedup resulting from reading longwords. |
| 09:41:34 | amiconn | If the start address isn't aligned, this is even a bit slower than just reading words |
| 09:42:12 | B4gder | should we adjust the test_fps plugin to test for that too? |
| 09:43:29 | B4gder | but anyway |
| 09:43:35 | B4gder | what's the bug then? |
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| 09:44:57 | amiconn | B4gder: You even mentioned the bug in lcd_write_data()... |
| 09:45:11 | amiconn | You're writing one word too much when count is odd, |
| 09:45:12 | B4gder | that it does an extra pixel? |
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| 09:45:43 | mikolas | preglow, are you working on arm optimizations? |
| 09:45:43 | amiconn | but lcd_update_rect() uses the 'update window' setting of the lcd controller |
| 09:46:08 | LinusN | aha |
| 09:46:08 | B4gder | ah |
| 09:46:10 | amiconn | so the extra pixel ends up at the start of the next row, shifting that row one pixel to the right. |
| 09:46:15 | B4gder | oops |
| 09:46:18 | amiconn | ...shifting the next row one more etc |
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| 09:46:32 | B4gder | so I guess getting back to the former 16bits is a good idea |
| 09:46:40 | amiconn | no |
| 09:46:43 | amiconn | it's slower |
| 09:46:46 | amiconn | You need proper leading/trailing word handling |
| 09:46:57 | amiconn | As mentioned, I have a number of ideas |
| 09:47:12 | B4gder | I see! ;-) |
| 09:47:24 | amiconn | The first would be an lcd_write_data() in asm, handling things properly, and also utilising burst mode |
| 09:47:37 | amiconn | This should be quite fast even with the framebuffer in sdram |
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| 09:47:50 | Yopsolo | hey, sorry to interrupt your conversation, but can anyone tell me what is the best between an ipod video and an iriver h320?? |
| 09:48:02 | B4gder | amiconn: if you write a blind fix I'll test and debug it in my end |
| 09:48:14 | amiconn | Then, I would probably switch to the swapped rgb format in the framebuffer, which would allow for more efficient 16->18bit conversion as we go |
| 09:48:26 | petur | Yopsolo: depends what you're going to use it for |
| 09:48:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yopsolo: It kinda depends on what you want out of a player |
| 09:48:42 | amiconn | (same framebuffer format as colour ipods) |
| 09:48:53 | petur | wow - I was faster than Paul_The_Nerd :P |
| 09:49:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Was distracted by shiny raytracing. |
| 09:49:11 | Yopsolo | petur: i want the device that offer the best mod/hacking feature |
| 09:49:37 | Yopsolo | and the best sound quality |
| 09:49:42 | * | petur is installing DX9 to be able to run the emulator to be able to watch the demo :) |
| 09:49:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yopsolo: Again, what do you want out of the *hardware.* Rockbox runs on both, so it's hardware differences. |
| 09:50:12 | amiconn | LinusN, B4gder: Speaking about efficiency - I took a quick glance at the pcf driver for iaudio. It uses the generic i2c driver, calling functions for every tiny action |
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| 09:50:28 | amiconn | ...and it's also called in the button tick as on H300 (!!) |
| 09:50:36 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 09:50:43 | amiconn | I expect it to eat even more cpu time than on H300 then |
| 09:50:49 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:50:58 | petur | Yopsolo: H340 has recording and FM radio, usbotg (no don't ask), and needs no dock or adapter to connect the cables |
| 09:50:59 | amiconn | You could do a quick test: |
| 09:50:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yopsolo: For example, the H340 I believe has the USB on the go port etc, while the iPod 5G has a bigger screen, touch wheel, etc. |
| 09:51:10 | petur | again! |
| 09:51:17 | VoltageX | iPods = evil |
| 09:51:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Hehehe. I saw mine on my screen first. That was a tie. |
| 09:51:37 | VoltageX | + H3x0 = bulletproof |
| 09:51:52 | scorche | <petur> Yopsolo: H340 has recording and FM radio, usbotg (no don't ask), and needs no dock or adapter to connect the cables |
| 09:51:52 | scorche | <amiconn> You could do a quick test: |
| 09:51:52 | scorche | <Paul_The_Nerd> Yopsolo: For example, the H340 I believe has the USB on the go port etc, while the iPod 5G has a bigger screen, touch wheel, etc. |
| 09:51:57 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd loses |
| 09:51:58 | Yopsolo | so h320 is more "versatil"?? |
| 09:52:14 | VoltageX | a friend of mine was running with one in his pocket, it fell out, got drop kicked, still works |
| 09:52:20 | petur | if you need those features, yes |
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| 09:52:34 | petur | VoltageX: pure luck |
| 09:52:35 | amiconn | Swicth CPU to 11MHz. First, run a plain test_fps. Note the values. Then wait for the HD to spin down, start test_fps, and *while the disk is spinning up*, switch on hold. Let it run, note the values, compare with first run and cry.... |
| 09:52:40 | Yopsolo | thx for the info |
| 09:52:45 | Yopsolo | ill think about that |
| 09:53:03 | VoltageX | petur: pure iRiver |
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| 09:53:31 | petur | VoltageX: would have been worse if the disk was spinning |
| 09:53:42 | amiconn | (when hold is on, the pcf adc isn't polled) |
| 09:54:39 | VoltageX | petur: it was |
| 09:54:44 | LinusN | amiconn: i know that the pcf x5 driver performance is bad |
| 09:55:03 | mikolas | linusn, which model do you have? |
| 09:55:07 | LinusN | but it works, and that's why i did it that way as a start |
| 09:55:07 | mikolas | of x5 |
| 09:55:27 | LinusN | plain x5 20gb |
| 09:55:29 | mikolas | ok |
| 09:55:43 | mikolas | i have 60gb model and the battery life is bad, even with original firmware |
| 09:55:52 | mikolas | just short of 7 hours on rockbox, 8 on the original |
| 09:56:29 | mikolas | is there a known problem with the 60gb model? i think the battery life should be around 14-15 hours... |
| 09:56:55 | amiconn | LinusN: I expect the x5 pcf driver performance to be significantly *worse* than the H300 pcf driver performance used to be |
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| 09:57:17 | amiconn | I've now committed my optimised version, it's working fine... |
| 09:57:43 | LinusN | the x5 pcf driver should be able to use the internal controller |
| 09:58:19 | sharpe | okay, backspace works. |
| 09:58:23 | sharpe | :) |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:17 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, could you check whether the pcf i2c speed is correct on H300 now, i.e. close to 400kHz at 45MHz and 124MHz? |
| 10:00:36 | amiconn | I know that it's slower (~200kHz) at 11MHz |
| 10:01:21 | Arcainus | i tried to load rockbox onto my 2G nano ipod...but when i tried to run the "ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin" and then ran the "ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin" it said that the partition size is too big |
| 10:02:36 | petur | btw, amiconn, congratulations on the optimisation work. 320kbps VBR mp3 now play with a boost of 5-8% |
| 10:02:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: What exactly did it say? |
| 10:03:35 | Arcainus | Paul_The_Nerd, that the "firmware" its trying to upload to the ipod is too big for the partition on the ipod |
| 10:03:50 | amiconn | petur: What boost ratio did you observe before? |
| 10:04:28 | petur | can't remember ;) |
| 10:04:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: Okay, so then A) How big is rockboot.bin, and B) Did you have iPodLinux installed before you started the Rockbox installation process by chance? |
| 10:05:11 | * | amiconn just had an idea |
| 10:05:32 | amiconn | LinusN: The mysterious current draw on H300 - could that be caused by the isp1362? |
| 10:05:59 | amiconn | I mean, we don't initialise CS3 (do we?), and CS3 is shared with a gpio pin... |
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| 10:06:54 | petur | somebody already measured the usbotg output, at least it's not supplying power |
| 10:06:58 | LinusN | possibly, if the gpio is an input |
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| 10:07:58 | Arcainus | Paul_The_Nerd, this is on windows :) |
| 10:08:04 | petur | amiconn: the isp1362 goes into sleep mode automatically (as a matter of fact, I'm failing at waking it up I think) |
| 10:08:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: Umm... That doesn't answer either of my questions though. |
| 10:08:57 | petur | amiconn: you even need to configure it for it to wake up on /CS |
| 10:09:24 | petur | but the datasheet is very unclear on this whole matter |
| 10:09:39 | amiconn | petur: I'm not speaking about waking it up correctly. Maybe the pin is floating, or sth like that |
| 10:09:54 | petur | true |
| 10:10:16 | amiconn | Even if it doesn't wake up correctly, it might still cause current draw if it receives 'unexpected' input patterns |
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| 10:11:02 | amiconn | I mean to remember that usb host mode draws quite some power in retailos. Maybe that's not just the current provided to the slave... |
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| 10:11:54 | petur | I can commit proper CS3 init tonight if it turns out to be a bug rather than a feature |
| 10:12:01 | Arcainus | Paul_The_Nerd, i followed this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 10:12:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: So, you never had iPodLinux installed on your Nano? And again, how big is your rockboot.bin file? |
| 10:13:23 | petur | LinusN: I've updated the ida file quite a bit regarding isp1362, want to have a look? |
| 10:13:44 | petur | I'm wondering if the chip shouldn't be configured during bootup |
| 10:13:58 | Arcainus | Paul_The_Nerd, i'll have to redo it here at work...i did it at home so i cant remeber the file size |
| 10:14:01 | Arcainus | hold a few |
| 10:14:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: You could always just right click on the file and get properties... |
| 10:15:39 | Arcainus | Paul_The_Nerd, its at home ;P |
| 10:15:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: Oh, you don't have access to it right now, gotcha. |
| 10:15:57 | Arcainus | but i can quickly recreate it here |
| 10:17:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: The other thing, when you just run ipodpatch N, the first of the two partitions should be 78.4, this is correct? |
| 10:17:49 | petur | LinusN? |
| 10:18:23 | Arcainus | yes |
| 10:18:35 | Arcainus | yes @ paul |
| 10:19:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: Okay, then there's something odd going on somewhere in the process, as ipodpatcher will write a 78.4 mb file back without complaining about size, and your rockboot.bin should be in the single digits if I recall. |
| 10:19:23 | ravon | wow. The iAudio port really chews up battery power. |
| 10:21:49 | Arcainus | im following this installation step by step |
| 10:22:32 | Arcainus | wait |
| 10:22:34 | Arcainus | :> |
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| 10:26:06 | Arcainus | i think i missed a step |
| 10:26:52 | sharpe | i should be sleeping |
| 10:27:06 | sharpe | at least since four to five hours ago. |
| 10:28:47 | Arcainus | ah ok |
| 10:28:56 | Arcainus | now i get an error while rebooting |
| 10:29:36 | Arcainus | rockbox error : -1 or its a -l |
| 10:29:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: That means you haven't extracted a daily or CVS build yet. |
| 10:30:03 | Arcainus | oh right |
| 10:30:12 | Arcainus | i formatted the other partition |
| 10:30:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | BRB, windows is doing that whole "I gotta reboot" thing |
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| 10:30:21 | Arcainus | forgot i erased the .rockbox again |
| 10:32:46 | Arcainus | working :) |
| 10:32:56 | Arcainus | cant believe i skipped the one step |
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| 10:36:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, much better |
| 10:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Arcainus: So, you get it sorted? |
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| 10:37:10 | sharpe | ugh, tired. i'm done for a few hours, bye everyone. |
| 10:39:51 | Arcainus | yeah, thanks Paul |
| 10:41:33 | * | LinusN *loves* the sid codec |
| 10:42:03 | petur | LinusN: I've updated the ida file quite a bit regarding isp1362, want to have a look? |
| 10:42:16 | LinusN | no time right now... |
| 10:42:21 | petur | ok |
| 10:42:55 | petur | me neither |
| 10:43:01 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:43:36 | petur | but I guessed you would be online today so I put the file ready this morning ;) |
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| 10:52:38 | linuxstb | Is anyone tempted to break the feature freeze and commit the sid codec for 3.0 ? |
| 10:53:01 | VoltageX | if I had an account, I would |
| 10:53:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks you should come up with some plan for track lengths first. |
| 10:53:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And a plan for not making my TagCache cry. That too |
| 10:53:56 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: have you looked at the HVSC database? |
| 10:55:39 | VoltageX | so SIDs will break TagCache? |
| 10:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | They don't break it |
| 10:56:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | But TagCache doesn't play well with 45,000 files. |
| 10:56:18 | petur | heh |
| 10:56:20 | B4gder | and we appeared on LWN again => http://lwn.net/Articles/180172/ |
| 10:56:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just quite slow |
| 10:56:53 | VoltageX | oh crap, I have about that |
| 10:56:53 | LinusN | the sid emulation needs some work on the filter and modulation parts... |
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| 10:57:21 | LinusN | the filter is actually quite good, but it needs some tuning |
| 10:58:36 | VoltageX | B4gder: cease and desist, shit... |
| 10:58:49 | B4gder | yeps |
| 10:59:39 | LinusN | i just love the clarity of the tinysid source code |
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| 11:00:00 | VoltageX | B4gder: I could live without Jewels, if someone came up with a colour Tetris clone, although that's just as likely to get a C&D |
| 11:00:17 | LinusN | tetrox? |
| 11:00:29 | B4gder | they couldn't make us remove jewels |
| 11:00:39 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I have a plan for track lengths. Just no code. |
| 11:00:41 | B4gder | they could _possibly_ make us do the jewels look a little different |
| 11:01:10 | B4gder | but they are not copied from the game they did |
| 11:01:43 | VoltageX | how could I make CVS redownload any files that are changed compared to current CVS? |
| 11:01:47 | VoltageX | I botched a patch |
| 11:02:18 | B4gder | VoltageX: I usually do 'cvs diff -u | patch -p0 -R' to revert back to CVS status |
| 11:02:45 | B4gder | but you can also just remove the files and cvs up again |
| 11:02:45 | linuxstb | Or just delete any files you want to revert back to cvs, and then do "cvs update" |
| 11:03:42 | VoltageX | linuxstb: if B4gder's commands don't work, then I'll try that |
| 11:04:03 | VoltageX | B4gder: does that command produce output? |
| 11:04:27 | B4gder | it says "patching ..." for each file it changes |
| 11:06:31 | VoltageX | done, thanks |
| 11:16:17 | VoltageX | I don't know if anyone replied to this question: what file is the version string that's displayed on rockbox startup kept in? |
| 11:17:14 | linuxstb | VoltageX: It's in the Makefile in your build directory - the VERSION variable. |
| 11:18:02 | VoltageX | yay now I can make Rockbox say "RockBox CVS - Voltage Edition" |
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| 11:18:19 | VoltageX | I scared paul away |
| 11:18:31 | * | petur runs off crying |
| 11:19:10 | linuxstb | If you want to change it permanently, edit tools/configure - that's the script that creates that Makefile. Otherwise, you will need to edit it every time you run configure. |
| 11:20:01 | VoltageX | linuxstb: I only want to be egotistical for a little while |
| 11:20:42 | petur | next question: how do I change the bootloader? |
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| 11:31:10 | Slasheri | hmm, i just got an idea how to make the tagcache array unique checking algorithm much faster.. trying that now :) |
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| 11:34:58 | Slasheri | using crc32 checksums should make the commit about 90% faster |
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| 11:36:08 | amiconn | Slasheri: Sure crc32 will make it faster on archos as well? |
| 11:36:33 | amiconn | Also, pleez keep code size down (there is a space-saving crc32 in one of the flash plugins) |
| 11:38:18 | linuxstb | Is there still old tagdb code in Rockbox to be removed? |
| 11:38:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes |
| 11:39:03 | Slasheri | amiconn: ok, i will use that code to generate it |
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| 11:40:02 | Slasheri | amiconn: and especially with huge databases, like tagcache with the hvsc it should make committing much faster.. (but not searches itself) |
| 11:40:04 | * | amiconn wants to get back rombox for fm/v2 :/ |
| 11:40:31 | amiconn | ...even though I don't have an fm/v2 |
| 11:40:41 | petur | do those targets have recording? |
| 11:40:51 | linuxstb | Slasheri: What do you think about suppressing the track number when viewing the full "Songs" list? i.e. only display it when in one of the album views? |
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| 11:42:09 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes, that sounds like a good idea |
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| 11:48:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, that code size will be little problematic in future, as tagcache still lacks many features required for the runtime db for example |
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| 11:53:40 | t0mas | lostlogic? |
| 11:53:56 | t0mas | a littlebit later than planned... but what are the compiler paths for the new server? |
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| 12:03:12 | t0mas | lostlogic: never mind :) |
| 12:03:13 | t0mas | efnet-math.org2238119( 115 123) |
| 12:03:17 | t0mas | it's working |
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| 12:13:00 | amiconn | petur: ? |
| 12:13:05 | petur | yes |
| 12:13:16 | amiconn | [11:40:42] <petur> do those targets have recording? |
| 12:13:31 | petur | AGC will add some more code ;) |
| 12:14:25 | amiconn | grpfmzp |
| 12:14:35 | petur | time to eat something - bbl |
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| 12:21:14 | Ave | Slasheri: you around? |
| 12:21:17 | twisted` | QuTx4o |
| 12:21:26 | twisted` | hmm |
| 12:21:41 | twisted` | Gkwsj482 |
| 12:21:46 | twisted` | wtf |
| 12:21:48 | preglow | twisted`: no, i don't make my own sid tunes |
| 12:21:49 | twisted` | pc gone nuts |
| 12:22:07 | twisted` | whehehe |
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| 12:24:58 | XavierGr | http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/Pic%20(6).jpg |
| 12:24:59 | XavierGr | http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/Pic%20(7).jpg |
| 12:25:03 | XavierGr | :D |
| 12:25:38 | Bg3r | XavierGr wow, h300 remote ? :) |
| 12:25:51 | XavierGr | My cousin is here!! |
| 12:25:55 | muesli__ | XavierGr won in the lottery? |
| 12:25:56 | Bg3r | :P |
| 12:26:09 | muesli__ | iriver addicted? ;) |
| 12:26:16 | XavierGr | something like that :) |
| 12:26:32 | wehn | it's the fruity dap smell of iriver |
| 12:26:37 | wehn | (smell the ports on the bottom |
| 12:26:38 | wehn | ) |
| 12:27:10 | XavierGr | DAP perfume! |
| 12:27:18 | Bg3r | lol |
| 12:27:26 | wehn | There was a huge thread on misticriver about it |
| 12:27:55 | XavierGr | Now we must build something ala Tower of Rockbox (Devcon Pic). But I am not sure if they will manage to stand! |
| 12:29:02 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:29:04 | XavierGr | I am gonna test an H300 LCD-remote to an H140 unit |
| 12:29:16 | preglow | would musepack seeking be affected by the feature freeze? :> |
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| 12:29:21 | wehn | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=25341 (here we go) |
| 12:31:17 | Moos | preglow: noooo, please do :P |
| 12:32:16 | Moos | it's more fixing the seeking |
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| 12:36:31 | preglow | i'll check it out |
| 12:37:47 | XavierGr | H300 LCD-remote buttons are completely f*cked-up in the default iRiver firmware. Tough on rockbox buttons seem almost okay (like the H300) |
| 12:37:58 | XavierGr | That's for H100 unit |
| 12:37:59 | Moos | preglow: you rocks ! |
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| 12:40:55 | Bg3r | XavierGr that's because the h300's remote button resistor network is very different than the h100's remote one |
| 12:41:39 | VoltageX | tagcaching ~40gb here... pity the debug tagcache viewer doesn't work |
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| 13:03:36 | amiconn | XavierGr: Remote detection in rockbox works identical for H1x0 and H300 |
| 13:04:07 | amiconn | I bet the H1x0 iriver firmware doesn't care, so that's why it screws up with a H300 remote |
| 13:04:14 | preglow | anyone know if it's much work to implement optical recording? |
| 13:04:27 | * | B4gder has no idea |
| 13:04:31 | DomasoFan86 | hello. My Iriver h 340 is frozen and i don't know to reset it taht it works again. the drive is still spinning but i couldn't turn it off. It died during a test recording |
| 13:04:39 | preglow | i'd love to see it for 3.0 |
| 13:04:42 | preglow | hmm |
| 13:04:43 | amiconn | XavierGr: You said all remotes tick on the H1x0s, but not on the H300 (with my fix)? |
| 13:04:51 | preglow | i wonder if i've got any means to test it |
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| 13:05:33 | amiconn | preglow: I would need an optical cable from standard toslink to iriver mini, then I could test |
| 13:05:47 | amiconn | I have no idea where to buy such a cable... |
| 13:05:55 | preglow | i have one |
| 13:05:58 | preglow | two, as a matter of fact |
| 13:06:10 | * | preglow checks if his mainboard has optical out/in |
| 13:06:15 | VoltageX | DomasoFan86: there\s a little reset button you can put a paperclip in |
| 13:06:17 | preglow | you rarely get those cables these days |
| 13:06:22 | preglow | now you need to buy a tos/jack converter |
| 13:06:25 | preglow | they cost nothing |
| 13:06:57 | preglow | now by golly |
| 13:07:05 | preglow | my mainboards got an optical port |
| 13:07:09 | VoltageX | amiconn: you talking about mini-usb? |
| 13:07:11 | preglow | i might be able to fix this after all, then |
| 13:09:02 | amiconn | VoltageX: No, mini-toslink (afaik it looks like a 3.5mm heaphone plug, just w/o metal rings) |
| 13:09:30 | amiconn | preglow: I have no optical on any pc, but I have a dvd player w/ optical out (standard toslink) |
| 13:09:43 | amiconn | I used that to test s/pdif recording on archos |
| 13:09:50 | petur | preglow: some/most code in recording only knows about mic and line-in, this will need fixing :( |
| 13:09:56 | amiconn | (with a selfmade optical->electrical converter) |
| 13:10:17 | amiconn | petur: That's not correct. recording.c does know about spdif |
| 13:10:29 | amiconn | ...since archos has s/pdif in & out |
| 13:10:54 | petur | ah, right, it's the parts for the UDA |
| 13:11:02 | petur | it's ok then |
| 13:11:43 | amiconn | Afaik the UDA isn't involved in s/pdif in & out. That's handled by the coldfire itself |
| 13:12:05 | petur | yeah |
| 13:12:06 | LinusN | true |
| 13:12:19 | petur | sorry for the confusion |
| 13:12:21 | DomasoFan86 | does someone know a bug where the recorder (iriver h 340) frezes when you record something? (build from 20060415). It freeces only when you press the stop button. now i am not able to turn off the player |
| 13:12:43 | linuxstb | Apologies for the FAQ, but does anyone know the samplerates and bitdepths the H140 s/pdif input can handle? |
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| 13:13:04 | LinusN | 20 bits, 96kHz afaik |
| 13:13:15 | petur | DomasoFan86: it worked ok here last time I checked (this weekend) |
| 13:13:26 | preglow | but ok |
| 13:13:32 | preglow | i'll have a look at optical recording today, then |
| 13:13:37 | preglow | i refuse to believe it's very difficult |
| 13:14:03 | VoltageX | amiconn: do you mean *with* metal rings? i.e. what the Hx00 remotes use |
| 13:14:23 | petur | DomasoFan86: maybe chkdsk your player? |
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| 13:15:26 | DomasoFan86 | I use a voice file too. maybe this kills the player. |
| 13:15:52 | petur | ah, I think that's already on the bug racker |
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| 13:16:40 | DomasoFan86 | how i can turn off the player that i have access to it again? cause the hd is spinning all the time now :-) |
| 13:16:43 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4754 |
| 13:16:46 | preglow | but the spdif diagnostic screen should work, yes? |
| 13:17:00 | petur | DomasoFan86: reset it |
| 13:17:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Unlike playback, the s/pdif in should be able to handle all standard samplerates |
| 13:18:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. |
| 13:19:16 | amiconn | ...because the s/pdif in syncs to the input signal. |
| 13:20:20 | linuxstb | Anyone know anything about the iaudio G3? It seems a reasonable 1GB flash player with FM that works from a single AA battery. |
| 13:20:30 | VoltageX | can ROLO load the firmware straight from the iriver site's zipfiles? |
| 13:21:02 | linuxstb | VoltageX: No, ROLO can only load Rockbox, not the iriver firmware. |
| 13:22:09 | VoltageX | linuxstb: can I have multiple rockbox versions on the one player, then? |
| 13:22:51 | ravon | Neat. My player hung up when I switched songs. |
| 13:22:55 | preglow | wooh |
| 13:22:59 | preglow | spdif out works in linux |
| 13:23:05 | linuxstb | In theory - but they will either need to use the same set of plugins/codecs etc, or you will need to patch Rockbox to use different .rockbox folders. |
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| 13:24:01 | linuxstb | Also, they would share the same settings sector on disk (unless you patched that as well to use different settings for different versions). |
| 13:24:50 | ravon | Are the nifty bass effects in the original iAudio firmware proprietary algorithms, or are they hardware based? |
| 13:25:02 | LinusN | proprietary |
| 13:25:05 | ravon | smeg |
| 13:26:11 | wehn | hmm. about the H300 optimisation.. |
| 13:26:30 | wehn | haven't seen any change in the battery meter's prognostication. |
| 13:26:40 | wehn | trying a battery_bench now. |
| 13:27:35 | preglow | is 96khz possible with spdif? |
| 13:27:45 | preglow | i thought 48khz was the max, but that was perhaps adat |
| 13:29:12 | VoltageX | hmm sparks from the iriver mini usb probably isn't a good thing |
| 13:29:27 | wehn | hah, saw that yesterday.. |
| 13:29:38 | wehn | while charging and pluggin in usb. |
| 13:30:20 | preglow | but anyway, i won't care with spdif in now unless it's 3.0 material |
| 13:30:24 | preglow | is it? |
| 13:30:26 | VoltageX | only small sparks, but still visible |
| 13:30:50 | VoltageX | is the iRiver host usb port usable under rockbox? |
| 13:30:50 | amiconn | wehn: Imho it doesn't make sense to put effort into the runtime prediction before the mysterious power drain issue is solved |
| 13:31:11 | petur | VoltageX: not (yet) |
| 13:31:30 | VoltageX | petur: not even debug readings? |
| 13:31:48 | wehn | amiconn: what i meant was, I thought the run time prediction might show improvement. I don't know if actual runtime has changed yet. |
| 13:31:59 | petur | VoltageX: unable to access the chip's registers until now |
| 13:32:28 | preglow | anyone? |
| 13:32:30 | VoltageX | ok |
| 13:33:06 | petur | and analysing the iriver fw has revealed some things already but it seams not everything :( |
| 13:33:36 | petur | seems even |
| 13:33:45 | wehn | VoltageX, the sparks are a known phenomenon on misticriver. some people report being zapped with no ill effect. |
| 13:33:47 | linuxstb | preglow: IMO, spdif should be in 3.0 if you can do it. |
| 13:34:00 | amiconn | B4gder: I hope to find the time to take a shot on the X5 lcd driver tonight |
| 13:34:30 | Moos | wee ! |
| 13:34:34 | preglow | doesn't look like it's in the agenda for either 3.0 or 3.1 |
| 13:34:43 | VoltageX | wehn: I can report that too, ouch |
| 13:34:45 | amiconn | I hope an X5 tester will be around then... |
| 13:35:00 | Moos | : ) |
| 13:35:04 | amiconn | preglow: I would consider s/pdif recording a bug fix. |
| 13:35:16 | VoltageX | wehn: I wouldn't want to do the battery-on-tongue trick with the usb-to-mini cable |
| 13:35:21 | amiconn | I mean, 2.5 does s/pdif recording on archos |
| 13:35:33 | VoltageX | it seems to be live even without a device hanging off it |
| 13:35:41 | amiconn | ...and the consensus is that all features that work in 2.5 should work in 3.0 |
| 13:35:48 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree with amiconn - it comes under "core functionality". |
| 13:36:02 | Moos | indeed |
| 13:36:07 | VoltageX | amiconn: not breaking anything that already works... |
| 13:36:09 | wehn | VoltageX, lol ! |
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| 13:39:49 | preglow | ok |
| 13:39:53 | preglow | then i'll give it a try later |
| 13:40:22 | preglow | it doesn't i'm able to change the sample rate of my spdif output, though |
| 13:40:23 | preglow | hrm... |
| 13:40:25 | preglow | oh anyway |
| 13:40:26 | preglow | brb |
| 13:40:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: you called? |
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| 13:42:13 | XavierGr | I just said that all my remotes tick under an H115 and an H140 (w/o reduce option) but with your fix in H300 I can't hear any ticks (as normal) (again w/o reduce option, no need for it in the H300) |
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| 13:51:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Did you make any progress on the libmad issues (decoding last frame, and gapless after seeking)? If not, then I may have a look at it. |
| 13:57:28 | amiconn | XavierGr: At least one user reported (on the ml iirc) that H300 ticks for him w/o 'reduce ticking' |
| 13:58:00 | petur | what's the status of AAC? is there hope for realtime playback? |
| 13:58:26 | ashridah | petur: sure. overclock your player. just attach a gigantic heatsink |
| 13:58:40 | linuxstb | The ffmpeg project are working on a new AAC decoder - I think we are basically waiting for them, so we can abandon libfaad. |
| 13:59:41 | petur | somebody gave me a bunch of M4P files and I would hate to transcode or ask the guy to rerip them (recordings) |
| 13:59:44 | linuxstb | Work also needs to be done on the mp4/m4a container format parser (libm4a in CVS) - that can be done now, but I don't think anyone is working on it. |
| 13:59:48 | petur | M4A |
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| 14:00:41 | RedBreva | how easy is it to change the location of the tmp directory? (Debian/VMWare) I have very little free space on hda1, but quite a lot on hdb1 |
| 14:00:52 | VoltageX | is that a heatsink in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? |
| 14:00:56 | ravon | RedBreva: bind-mount it |
| 14:01:09 | ravon | mount -o bind /mnt/hdb/tmp /tmp |
| 14:01:31 | RedBreva | Uhmmm, what exactly does that do> |
| 14:01:47 | ravon | It mounts the /mnt/hdb/tmp folder on top of the /tmp folder :) |
| 14:01:57 | RedBreva | OK... I'll give it a go |
| 14:02:00 | RedBreva | Thanks |
| 14:02:01 | ravon | np |
| 14:02:12 | ravon | Add it to fstab if you want it permanently. |
| 14:03:08 | RedBreva | Ah, now you said that as if I should know what it means :D |
| 14:03:25 | ravon | nano -w /etc/fstab :) |
| 14:04:58 | ravon | RedBreva: Back to the compile. Yell if you need help. |
| 14:05:17 | RedBreva | ok |
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| 14:06:59 | ravon | "Either way, have some patience, I mean the X5 port isn't due to be officially released until November" |
| 14:07:01 | ravon | Is that correct? |
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| 14:07:22 | B4gder | 3.1 is planned to be for x5 too, yes |
| 14:08:30 | linuxstb | Maybe listing the ipod 3g as a 3.1 target is being optimistic - as there are no developers.... |
| 14:08:34 | ravon | Oki. Feels so far away :) |
| 14:08:39 | B4gder | linuxstb: indeed |
| 14:08:56 | B4gder | ravon: well, considering the lack of x5 devs, I'd say it is very close |
| 14:09:33 | linuxstb | 30 billion ipods in the world, and no new developers as a result of the port... |
| 14:09:46 | Bg3r | linuxstb :)) |
| 14:10:01 | Bg3r | sad ... but true ... |
| 14:10:02 | B4gder | I'd say Mikachu is one |
| 14:10:22 | B4gder | so, 30 million ipods and _one_ new contributor ;-) |
| 14:10:25 | linuxstb | True, but no new devs withcvs write access... |
| 14:10:33 | B4gder | right |
| 14:11:18 | ravon | Hmmm, maybe I can play around with the X5 remote control code at home then. |
| 14:11:43 | ravon | Gonna enter the Rockbox code catacombs some day. |
| 14:11:53 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:12:10 | B4gder | they are dark and scary |
| 14:12:17 | linuxstb | And never-ending... |
| 14:12:21 | B4gder | but you get the cookie when you reach the other side! |
| 14:12:59 | petur | what other side? |
| 14:13:02 | ravon | First test: Any interaction with the remote controller causes the player buttons to stop responding. |
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| 14:15:43 | preglow | linuxstb: no, i didn't. i was about to start testing when i found out that libmad still doesn't work on amd64 sims, at which point i diverged to look a bit at why that was |
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| 14:16:52 | linuxstb | preglow: OK. Let me know if you go back to it. |
| 14:17:01 | amiconn | preglow: It does work here... |
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| 14:18:30 | tucoz | hello |
| 14:20:17 | preglow | amiconn: try changing tracks |
| 14:20:25 | preglow | amiconn: from one mp3 to another, that is |
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| 14:23:45 | amiconn | preglow: Okay, will check later. Can't do atm |
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| 14:24:39 | preglow | amiconn: it crashes in the init memset here |
| 14:28:00 | tucoz | are the icons ever grayscale on some target? |
| 14:28:39 | tucoz | Or is it just the screenshots that are grayscale? |
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| 14:32:11 | RedBreva | Uh! I have been running a number of sims all morning, and now I get an error: "fatal: No available video device" !! |
| 14:34:18 | RedBreva | How do you unmount /tmp from /mnt/tmp? |
| 14:34:42 | RedBreva | (It's the only change I made between success and failure) |
| 14:37:13 | tucoz | any objections to making the icons in the appendix black/white? |
| 14:37:29 | tucoz | To make them more platform independant (so to speak) |
| 14:39:03 | petur | I thought there were plans for color icons? |
| 14:39:09 | tucoz | I see |
| 14:39:19 | tucoz | I haven't been around for some time |
| 14:39:54 | petur | Well there were talks, don't know if it will be done |
| 14:40:03 | preglow | eh? aren't our jewels icons taken from geweled? |
| 14:40:11 | LinusN | yes they are |
| 14:40:16 | preglow | then what the hell is going on? |
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| 14:40:28 | preglow | they're even taken from the svg source, i think |
| 14:40:39 | RedBreva | Anyone? The reverse of mount -o bind /mnt/tmp /tmp ?? |
| 14:40:50 | LinusN | the gweled gems are still *very* similar to the bejeweled ones |
| 14:40:54 | preglow | so what |
| 14:41:16 | preglow | there's no copyright infringement |
| 14:41:19 | tucoz | They are gems after all. It would be fun to find a similar gem from an old game |
| 14:41:22 | ashridah | LinusN: the similarity isn't a problem, since it's not copyright infringement |
| 14:41:28 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you read the LWN article and comments? That has links to screenshots from the Palm version. |
| 14:41:32 | ashridah | it can only be fraud if they CLAIM to be from bejeweled :) |
| 14:41:37 | preglow | linuxstb: no |
| 14:41:57 | ashridah | linuxstb: linky |
| 14:42:30 | linuxstb | http://lwn.net/Articles/180172/ |
| 14:42:33 | ashridah | it wasn't really cease&desist either |
| 14:42:52 | ashridah | since it would have come from a lawyer and actually be BASED on some potential law :) |
| 14:42:55 | tucoz | They are similar, but not equal |
| 14:43:19 | LinusN | the question is how similar they can be without infringing |
| 14:43:29 | tucoz | Wonder if a change of color would help |
| 14:43:39 | tucoz | Like switch the green to blue and so forth |
| 14:43:42 | petur | hehe |
| 14:43:56 | tucoz | Then the shape would be the only thing that is similar |
| 14:44:26 | tucoz | I wonder if a basic shape, like a triangle could be copyrighted :) |
| 14:44:36 | Zagor | tucoz: no |
| 14:44:49 | goffa_ | depends on who's trying :) |
| 14:45:00 | * | goffa_ thinks he should copywrite the period |
| 14:45:03 | Zagor | it is an often debated issue if even icons can be copyrighted. |
| 14:45:14 | Zagor | a work must have some level of complexity to gain protected status |
| 14:45:25 | goffa_ | i could charge royalties |
| 14:45:51 | goffa_ | i'd have to crack down on rampant piracy... the legal fees would kill me |
| 14:46:36 | linuxstb | Here's a side-by-side comparison of the two: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/jewels.html |
| 14:46:39 | preglow | as long as they're not truly identical, i'd say there's no case |
| 14:46:43 | ashridah | change them to playing card images or something. heart, club, diamond, spade, joker :) |
| 14:46:48 | preglow | and they're not, i can see the differences clearly |
| 14:46:52 | ashridah | and lets not forget, rules for draw and stud poker |
| 14:46:56 | ashridah | our personal favourite |
| 14:47:08 | Zagor | linuxstb: here's the svg source for our icons: http://bjorn.haxx.se/jewels_svg.jpg |
| 14:47:17 | Zagor | (or rather a screenshot of it) |
| 14:47:28 | preglow | Zagor: you're mailing him back with this, i take it? |
| 14:47:33 | LinusN | preglow: so it would be perfectly ok to steal the graphics, and change one single pixel? |
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| 14:47:59 | Zagor | you can actually infringe even without copying |
| 14:48:01 | preglow | LinusN: no, that'd be copyright infringement |
| 14:48:15 | preglow | point is, it's clear we've gotten the icons from a different source |
| 14:48:22 | Zagor | the yanks call it "look & feel protection" |
| 14:48:28 | preglow | ahahha |
| 14:48:30 | Zagor | apple is very font of it, among others |
| 14:48:31 | preglow | lovely and vague |
| 14:48:38 | Zagor | fond, even |
| 14:48:48 | LinusN | preglow: ok, so it would be ok to draw your own jewels, exactly alike? |
| 14:49:04 | preglow | of course not, i'm not taking about bit identical here |
| 14:49:11 | preglow | identical as in appearance |
| 14:49:16 | preglow | and they're not identical |
| 14:49:21 | preglow | even the colours differ |
| 14:49:35 | tucoz | But a gem is not a very complex piece of work. |
| 14:49:44 | LinusN | still, they look very much alike |
| 14:49:45 | petur | they're close, admit that |
| 14:49:57 | preglow | LinusN: sure they do |
| 14:50:05 | preglow | but they're simple geometrical shapes |
| 14:50:06 | linuxstb | He claims in his email that "it's obvious that someone on the PluginJewels team ripped the graphics from one of the Astraware-licensed versions of our game". |
| 14:50:10 | linuxstb | Which is not true. |
| 14:50:10 | tucoz | I would not be surpriced if there have been drawn gems like that a zillion times before |
| 14:50:12 | preglow | linuxstb: exactly |
| 14:50:16 | Zagor | linuxstb: correct, that is not true |
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| 14:50:21 | preglow | linuxstb: so i'd like to see that misconecption rectified first |
| 14:50:26 | preglow | before we even discuss it any further |
| 14:50:31 | preglow | link him to your side by side comparison as well |
| 14:50:31 | linuxstb | And then he says "If that is indeed the case, those graphics need to be removed from the game," |
| 14:50:40 | ashridah | he is CLEARLY not getting advice from a lawyer. since he would be saying 'we alledge that you are <blahblah>' |
| 14:50:52 | linuxstb | So IMO the answer seems clear. |
| 14:51:07 | Zagor | ashridah: he's trying the low-cost route first, methinks :-) |
| 14:51:11 | ashridah | probably |
| 14:51:19 | linuxstb | But the question is should we do something like change the colours to make them less similar to his graphics? |
| 14:51:35 | LinusN | i think we should |
| 14:51:37 | Zagor | I am split between two viewpoints: |
| 14:51:37 | ashridah | so the response is you got the mfrom gweled. if gweled is infringing, we didn't know, we'll rectify it immediately if that's the case. |
| 14:51:39 | petur | to be exact: "The game PluginJewels, for use on RockBox and available at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginJewels, is a blatant copyright violation of Bejeweled, the popular match-three game owned by my company, PopCap Games, Inc., of Seattle, Washington, USA." |
| 14:51:49 | LinusN | there is no value in having it so similar |
| 14:51:50 | Zagor | 1) We have the right to do this, dammit. |
| 14:52:07 | tucoz | This is like the mohammed cartoons |
| 14:52:10 | Zagor | 2) It's not really nice to copy someone elses work like that, even if it's technically legal |
| 14:52:17 | ashridah | Zagor: the nose-thumbing approach. heh. i seem to recall that tends to involve swords, historically :) |
| 14:52:26 | tucoz | even though we have the right to do what we do, we do not have to do it |
| 14:52:32 | preglow | sure |
| 14:52:37 | preglow | if someone makes us nice new jewels, we use them |
| 14:52:43 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 14:52:47 | preglow | until there are some, we use these |
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| 14:52:54 | ashridah | i still say change them into card suits ;) |
| 14:52:55 | preglow | if it's not infringing anything |
| 14:52:58 | preglow | and i doubt it is |
| 14:53:05 | ashridah | give them nice rendered looks, etc. |
| 14:53:09 | ashridah | pity i'm not an artist :( |
| 14:53:22 | enthalpy_male | holy shites i installed rockbox and killed my h320!!! |
| 14:53:30 | preglow | enthalpy_male: don't think so |
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| 14:53:48 | preglow | just mail him back and tell him were we got the graphics from, with some nice proof of it, and a good side-by-side comparison, and see what he says |
| 14:53:53 | preglow | it's not really a big deal anyway |
| 14:54:08 | tucoz | enthalpy_male, really? what happend? |
| 14:54:08 | LinusN | enthalpy_male: what a silly thing to do, install rockbox and then kill the player afterwards |
| 14:54:08 | LinusN | ;-) |
| 14:54:30 | enthalpy_male | no really, i was playing in the menus and used some battery test option..that probably killed tha batter and now it wont let meconnect or charge . if |
| 14:54:34 | preglow | ashridah: there aren't enough card suits... |
| 14:54:43 | ashridah | so add the joker |
| 14:54:46 | * | ashridah shrugs |
| 14:54:50 | preglow | we need two more again |
| 14:54:53 | LinusN | enthalpy_male: how long have you charged it? |
| 14:54:55 | Zagor | the jools icons look pretty good |
| 14:54:56 | ashridah | there's 7? damn. |
| 14:55:02 | preglow | Zagor: i think they're fugly as hell |
| 14:55:04 | preglow | too dark |
| 14:55:05 | enthalpy_male | if i coonnect the adapter the screen flickers and goes raeally bright and wont say "charging" at all but it gets warm |
| 14:55:06 | petur | Like that guy a couple of days ago, he wrote he tossed his ipod through the window because RB broke it ;) |
| 14:55:11 | preglow | Zagor: and looks like they're bitmapped |
| 14:55:15 | Zagor | they are |
| 14:55:31 | Zagor | 45x45 |
| 14:55:40 | preglow | svg is nicer :> |
| 14:55:59 | Zagor | well sure, but for our purposes it doesn't really make a difference |
| 14:56:02 | enthalpy_male | since i didnt get any display and the connecting the ac adapter gave me a mesaage "check hdd connection" , i left it connectd to usb all night hoping it will charge. , but it still wont turn on |
| 14:56:30 | preglow | Zagor: resizing bitmap graphics at those small sizes can look ugly really fast |
| 14:56:38 | tucoz | you could tell him that he is allowed to use the prettier gems from gweled, as those are gpl'ed :) |
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| 14:56:48 | LinusN | enthalpy_male: have you reset it? |
| 14:56:54 | enthalpy_male | i dunno how |
| 14:56:57 | Zagor | preglow: scaling down is rarely a problem especially since we always go under 50% |
| 14:57:04 | Zagor | but sure, svg would be better |
| 14:57:37 | petur | enthalpy_male: the little hole under the internal mic |
| 14:57:37 | enthalpy_male | h3200 can be reset? i kep looking for the reset button in the bottom but couldnt see it |
| 14:57:49 | linuxstb | tucoz: I don't think he would be allowed - unless he GPL'd the rest of his game... |
| 14:57:57 | enthalpy_male | ohh duhhh ! let me do it now, dunno how i missed it |
| 14:58:23 | tucoz | linuxstb, ah. bummer |
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| 14:58:49 | linuxstb | Zagor: Maybe it's worth talking to the Gweled author. At least it would be nice to warn him. |
| 14:59:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:59:27 | Zagor | I've been thinking about that angle too. If we "fold" too easily, do we make it harder for him? |
| 14:59:52 | amiconn | Zagor: Scaling bitmaps of these low sizes always looks ugly. There's no way around tailor-made bitmaps for these low sizes if we want them to look good |
| 14:59:53 | enthalpy_male | shit still nothing, it gets stuck in the bootloader screen with top 3 lines showing only upto batt voltage 3.63v |
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| 15:00:07 | LinusN | http://www.3dlapidary.com/Home.htm |
| 15:00:17 | B4gder | giving our game a more unique look rather than a copycat isn't a bad idea anyway |
| 15:00:41 | enthalpy_male | oh great now it says ata error -1, insert usb cable and press a butotn |
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| 15:01:17 | enthalpy_male | i did dthat but its stuck |
| 15:02:19 | Zagor | B4gder: i agree |
| 15:02:34 | enthalpy_male | wow its stuck on, i cant even turn it off |
| 15:02:46 | ashridah | pity we can't somehow make photos of the different players rockbox runs on fit in there :) |
| 15:02:48 | tucoz | and regarding the gameplay, it is similar to tetris attack |
| 15:02:49 | tucoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_Attack |
| 15:02:58 | ashridah | "woot, i matched 5 ipods in a row!" |
| 15:02:59 | tucoz | which is a nintendo game |
| 15:03:01 | preglow | enthalpy_male: that's not a really good battery voltage |
| 15:03:15 | tucoz | from 95 |
| 15:03:28 | enthalpy_male | oh but how do i charge it! it seems not to want to charge! cna rockbox use ac adapter? |
| 15:03:46 | enthalpy_male | why is it not showing low batt , if its a bad voltage? |
| 15:03:53 | enthalpy_male | its 3.60v now |
| 15:04:27 | tucoz | http://www.slack.net/~ant/tetris_attack/ (gameplay) |
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| 15:04:44 | linuxstb | ashridah: Very geeky idea, but I like it. |
| 15:05:07 | enthalpy_male | help :( |
| 15:05:09 | Zagor | I'm surprised nobody has suggested loadable icons yet :-) |
| 15:05:14 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:05:14 | preglow | i think we should shoot for something like the current icons |
| 15:05:46 | preglow | they give the game a very sleek, colourful appearance |
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| 15:05:55 | preglow | enthalpy_male: this sounds like a hardware failure to me |
| 15:06:04 | petur | enthalpy_male: reset it again, then insert the AC adapter. That should give you the iriver charge screen (if not, press off) |
| 15:06:09 | goffa_ | heh... maybe jewels should have the lucky charms shapes :) |
| 15:06:10 | enthalpy_male | wow |
| 15:06:18 | * | amiconn prepares for some bashing |
| 15:06:31 | petur | enthalpy_male: if it doesn't charge, it is indeed a hardware issue |
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| 15:07:10 | enthalpy_male | i dont get charge screen when i insert ac |
| 15:07:13 | goffa_ | last night i think i had a hardware issue.. i didn't have the other end plugged into the wall |
| 15:07:14 | enthalpy_male | oh wait now i do |
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| 15:07:26 | enthalpy_male | phew, so i guess let it charge and then later it will boot? |
| 15:07:44 | * | goffa_ hopes he can make it to 11 |
| 15:07:45 | petur | fingers crossed... |
| 15:07:48 | goffa_ | with tunes |
| 15:08:15 | enthalpy_male | heh no i defintley got it plugged, the logo that shows during boot time, flickers though and is really washed out in color, like its really bright |
| 15:08:27 | preglow | well |
| 15:08:33 | preglow | your battery voltage is really low |
| 15:08:35 | preglow | so small wonder |
| 15:08:38 | preglow | just hope it'll charge fine |
| 15:08:43 | goffa_ | you probably did enthalpy_male ... last night i didn't |
| 15:09:07 | enthalpy_male | oh ok. but can rockbox not chrge through usb? i left it plugged ion al night, becasue the ac adapter didnt seem to work |
| 15:09:21 | Zagor | if anyone wants to play around, the gweled jewels are drawn in "sodipodi": http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3 |
| 15:09:25 | * | Zagor goes for coffee |
| 15:09:46 | DewDude | here's a crazy idea, you guys ever plan on porting rockbox to PSP? |
| 15:09:47 | DewDude | haha |
| 15:09:58 | B4gder | we don't exactly "plan" new ports at all |
| 15:10:19 | DewDude | yeah |
| 15:10:26 | ashridah | DewDude: if you've got a few spare you'd sacrifice to the cause (unless adequate docs can be retrieved from the net, that is) |
| 15:10:26 | DewDude | it's whoever does it |
| 15:10:32 | enthalpy_male | but hey if its plugged in why does teh batt voltage matter ? i remmeber i could use my discharged player, if it was plugged in :/ |
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| 15:10:54 | DewDude | heh..i have a PSP |
| 15:10:58 | DewDude | just the one |
| 15:11:21 | DewDude | and no one has written to the firmware yet |
| 15:11:37 | DewDude | but one could probably port one over as a standalone application |
| 15:11:42 | DewDude | i guess, i don' tknow |
| 15:11:49 | ashridah | heh. port the Sim :) |
| 15:11:53 | enthalpy_male | i see teh charging screen and when i press on,, it says start , and the background flickers adnn remains stuck in that state "ver 1.29k start" thats it |
| 15:12:02 | DewDude | i don' tknow the first thing about coding |
| 15:12:14 | DewDude | i just wanted to see what you guys would react to such a suggestion\ |
| 15:12:29 | B4gder | we get such suggestions almost daily |
| 15:12:38 | DewDude | i'm sure it's powerful enough....333mhz RISC based chip |
| 15:12:45 | B4gder | we've grown thick skin |
| 15:12:48 | enthalpy_male | and it seems to be getting really hot to the touch, dont htink it got this warm before when charging |
| 15:13:04 | DewDude | enthalpy_male, battery problems? |
| 15:13:25 | lostlogic | ::yawn:: |
| 15:13:36 | enthalpy_male | no idea! |
| 15:13:40 | DewDude | well |
| 15:13:45 | * | linuxstb passes lostlogic some coffee |
| 15:13:49 | DewDude | if your unit is getting excessively warm |
| 15:13:51 | lostlogic | :) |
| 15:13:56 | enthalpy_male | i just installed rockbox last night, and now i cant turn it on |
| 15:14:05 | DewDude | and you don't notice a change in capicaity...then you got bad batteries |
| 15:14:06 | DewDude | ohhhh |
| 15:14:09 | enthalpy_male | it was fine yesterday been using it everyday |
| 15:14:12 | DewDude | heh |
| 15:14:15 | DewDude | that i don't know |
| 15:14:24 | DewDude | i don't have a portable player to put rockbox on |
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| 15:14:43 | enthalpy_male | ah |
| 15:15:06 | linuxstb | DewDude: I think SDL has been ported to the PSP, and there is a "UI simulator" version of Rockbox which runs under SDL... |
| 15:15:40 | enthalpy_male | thanks guys , for the help! better run and goto work now |
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| 15:21:18 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 15:22:34 | goffa_ | hi |
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| 15:23:52 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 15:29:26 | DewDude | SDL? |
| 15:29:36 | goffa_ | what about sdl? |
| 15:29:43 | DewDude | i don't think the current hacks have dsl support in the PSP |
| 15:29:51 | DewDude | cuz after firmware 1.5 we lose Kernel access mode |
| 15:29:52 | goffa_ | oh |
| 15:30:20 | DewDude | although they've gotten a lot of meida apps to run with the current GTA hack |
| 15:30:59 | goffa_ | how much storage does the psp have? |
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| 15:34:02 | DewDude | depends on how many memory cards you buy |
| 15:34:13 | DewDude | there's a 4gig HDD attachement you can get |
| 15:34:30 | DewDude | they're working on larger drive attachments as Sony has come out with 4gb and 8gb memory stick duo's |
| 15:34:47 | goffa_ | ah |
| 15:34:48 | DewDude | so soon as the new firmware supports it, someone will hack it |
| 15:34:50 | goffa_ | so pretty small |
| 15:35:11 | goffa_ | my 30gb is bursting at the seams |
| 15:38:06 | DewDude | well |
| 15:38:13 | DewDude | it DOES support ATRAC3Plus |
| 15:38:25 | DewDude | so for the most part, i've been compressing everything to 48kbps and cramming stuff on there |
| 15:38:43 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 15:38:59 | goffa_ | i'll keep doing ogg on mine :) |
| 15:41:02 | * | linuxstb wonders why iaudio players are so expensive in Europe compared to the US |
| 15:41:23 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 15:41:29 | goffa_ | do they have some royalty tax over there? |
| 15:41:48 | B4gder | I noticed they've started selling the x5v here |
| 15:41:54 | DewDude | well, if i wanted ogg |
| 15:41:59 | DewDude | there's an ogg player already for it |
| 15:42:01 | DewDude | and i tested it |
| 15:42:09 | goffa_ | yeah... mpc is nice too |
| 15:42:15 | DewDude | problem is...no format offers a good low-bitrate quality |
| 15:42:20 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 15:42:24 | goffa_ | i hate low bitrate |
| 15:42:26 | DewDude | and even tho i'm talking low bitrate when i got a drive full of flac |
| 15:42:29 | B4gder | well, low bitrate is low quality |
| 15:42:31 | DewDude | storage is expensive |
| 15:42:38 | Jungti1234 | I wonder why battery of Rockbox is consumed faster.. |
| 15:42:48 | DewDude | B4gder, ATRAC3Plus @ 48kbps is acceptable |
| 15:42:58 | linuxstb | I'm quite interested in the G3 - it's $99 US, but in the UK it's about 110UKP ($195 US) |
| 15:43:02 | B4gder | "acceptable" is very subjective |
| 15:43:12 | DewDude | you want me to dig up a sound sample? |
| 15:43:17 | B4gder | no thanks |
| 15:43:22 | DewDude | ok |
| 15:43:24 | B4gder | its still subjective |
| 15:43:28 | DewDude | heh |
| 15:43:32 | DewDude | well |
| 15:43:39 | B4gder | I can't hear any differences |
| 15:43:42 | Jungti1234 | Can't anyone answer? |
| 15:43:42 | DewDude | i compared it to like, OGG, WMA, and AAC at 48kbps |
| 15:43:50 | B4gder | I used the first x5 version of Rockbox fine without noticing anything |
| 15:44:10 | B4gder | which kind of rules me out for doing listening tests ;-) |
| 15:44:32 | DewDude | haha |
| 15:44:36 | DewDude | my ears are still good |
| 15:44:43 | DewDude | os[Linux 2.6.15-20-386 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ @ 1.66GHz] mem[Physical : 1011MB, 65.8% free] disk[Total : 279.80GB, 30.20% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200]] sound[Audigy2 - Audigy 2 Platinum [SB0240P]] |
| 15:44:43 | Jungti1234 | B4gder: You don't know? |
| 15:44:50 | goffa_ | Jungti1234: could be a lot of different things |
| 15:44:52 | B4gder | Jungti1234: if we knew, we'd fix it |
| 15:45:18 | DewDude | anything can affect battery performance |
| 15:45:21 | Jungti1234 | hmm ok |
| 15:45:24 | DewDude | having bass boost on will draw a battery down |
| 15:45:38 | goffa_ | yeah... also larger files will too |
| 15:45:51 | DewDude | goffa: you should see my PC sound setup now |
| 15:45:54 | goffa_ | and buffering, and dircache |
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| 15:46:01 | B4gder | we don't have "bass boost" on sw platforms |
| 15:46:02 | goffa_ | cool.. what's it like? |
| 15:46:27 | B4gder | and no, larger files will not |
| 15:46:31 | DewDude | audigy 2 plat feeding directly into an old school Sansui 10-band/channel graphic-EQ |
| 15:46:52 | DewDude | and right now that's going into my sony reciever...but i'm supposed to be getting an amp designed for me |
| 15:47:05 | DewDude | cuz i just use headphones 99% of the time |
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| 15:47:12 | goffa_ | nice |
| 15:47:28 | DewDude | yeah, that EQ is like gold man |
| 15:47:34 | DewDude | it's magical |
| 15:47:40 | goffa_ | yeah... i should be getting a pair of shure e5c's.. my er4s's are getting repaired |
| 15:47:53 | goffa_ | i want to do a comparo |
| 15:47:54 | DewDude | i've got my Sennheiser HD212Pro's from 3 yeras ago |
| 15:48:00 | DewDude | i've had to modify the cable a bit |
| 15:48:05 | DewDude | but they're still working, and i still love'em |
| 15:48:16 | DewDude | oh, and dude |
| 15:48:28 | DewDude | i finally got my name printed on a CD under technical stuff :) |
| 15:48:39 | DewDude | i did some vinyl remastering for someone |
| 15:48:50 | linuxstb | I've been considering investing in some ER4Ps for a while - would anyone recommend against them? |
| 15:49:08 | DewDude | linuxstb, i personally like most everything Sennheiser makes |
| 15:49:12 | goffa_ | for the living room i have a hk avr 430, energy c-9, ascend cbm-340 center (about to be upgraded to cbm-340se)... then ascend cbm-170 se's on the sides and bock |
| 15:49:21 | DewDude | yeah |
| 15:49:24 | goffa_ | linuxstb: they are good phones |
| 15:49:28 | DewDude | how much of that is digital? |
| 15:49:32 | goffa_ | cool deal on the cd |
| 15:49:33 | DewDude | like, are you running SPDIF all over? |
| 15:49:44 | goffa_ | DewDude: spdif all the way |
| 15:49:48 | DewDude | boo. |
| 15:49:49 | lostlogic | I want to get Shure e500 pths but I fear their impedence will be too much for the ipoop to drive well |
| 15:49:50 | Jungti1234 | os Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) |
| 15:49:51 | Jungti1234 | cpu Pentium III (0.18 §) With 256 KB On-Die L2 Cache l 4608Mhz |
| 15:49:51 | Jungti1234 | network Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC - ÆÐŶ ½ºÄÉÁÙ·¯ ¹Ì´Ï Æ÷Æ® 100Mb/s |
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| 15:49:51 | Jungti1234 | memory 163.09/254.48MB (»ç¿ë°¡´É: 91.39MB) |
| 15:49:51 | Jungti1234 | display Intel(R) 82810E Graphics Controller (Microsoft Corporation) |
| 15:49:51 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 15:49:51 | Jungti1234 | sownd ESS Maestro 3 |
| 15:50:03 | DewDude | i run analog all the way |
| 15:50:06 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 15:50:18 | goffa_ | yeah... its not bad.. but analog from a computer is usually nothing to brag about |
| 15:50:25 | DewDude | the Audigy 2 is nice |
| 15:50:31 | Jungti1234 | My computer is bad. |
| 15:50:31 | DewDude | espically since i shielded everything |
| 15:50:43 | DewDude | i put a makeshift farraday cage around my sound card |
| 15:50:48 | DewDude | and one inside the cabinet of my EQ |
| 15:50:50 | goffa_ | yeah... i seriously don't have a problem with the sound of my setup though |
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| 15:51:04 | linuxstb | goffa_: I've read that the cable on the ER4Ps can pick up sounds when you touch it - have you found that a problem? |
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| 15:51:22 | goffa_ | linuxstb: i have the er4s.. that's what i'd reccomend |
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| 15:51:34 | goffa_ | and you can get a cable to adapt it to p |
| 15:51:53 | speacial_ed | i was just browsing and came across two .rocks for rockbox called rockpaint and rockword, how might I use these? |
| 15:51:56 | goffa_ | but i'd stic with s |
| 15:51:56 | DewDude | i don't know...i find running the auddio throught the EQ restores something lost in digital |
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| 15:52:20 | linuxstb | goffa_: OK. So cable noise isn't a problem? |
| 15:52:30 | goffa_ | linuxstb: not that i've encountered |
| 15:52:34 | DewDude | i did notice once i put that mesh around the card...the noise was cut down |
| 15:52:43 | goffa_ | but i have er4s and not p |
| 15:52:48 | DewDude | i need to make some kind of farraday-like tubing for the cables |
| 15:52:53 | goffa_ | should be about the same |
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| 15:53:02 | goffa_ | the p's should be a bit louder |
| 15:53:05 | goffa_ | less resistance |
| 15:53:17 | linuxstb | What player do you use them with? |
| 15:53:21 | DewDude | higher impedience usually means louder drivers |
| 15:53:52 | DewDude | higher resistance means less power to actually move the coil..i believe |
| 15:54:03 | DewDude | it's been a while since i've worked on speakers..usually i just build amps all day |
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| 15:55:45 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
| 15:55:46 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 15:55:46 | NJoin | markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) |
| 15:55:46 | NJoin | Ironhand [0] (i=arjen@meek.xs4all.nl) |
| 15:56:55 | goffa_ | x5l |
| 15:56:56 | goffa_ | DewDude: same drivers on the er4s and er4p |
| 15:56:56 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 15:56:56 | goffa_ | well in this case.. lower resistance means more current is going to the drivers |
| 15:56:56 | goffa_ | when the drivers are the same it'll seem louder when you pump the same current in |
| 15:56:58 | goffa_ | this is what i've read on a few sites anyway |
| 15:56:59 | goffa_ | p stands for portable... its designed to be used without an amp for portable players |
| 15:57:15 | DewDude | heh |
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| 15:57:33 | goffa_ | i have an amp with my s... but the output of the x5 is loud enough where you don't really need an amp for the er4s |
| 15:57:47 | goffa_ | i needed one with my rio karma though |
| 15:57:48 | DewDude | generally when i'm doing speakers..if the amp is rated for like, 60watts at 4 ohms...it generally means if i'm using an 8ohm speaker i gotta have something higher than 60 watt handling |
| 15:57:57 | DewDude | i don't know tho, jukeboxes have strange sound systems in themn |
| 15:58:04 | goffa_ | yeah |
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| 15:58:45 | goffa_ | and that's right... the more resistance, the more power it takes to drive something, and more power usually means louder |
| 15:59:49 | goffa_ | i'm looking forward to trying those shures |
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| 16:00:46 | DewDude | heh, it's hard to tell anymore with designs |
| 16:00:50 | lostlogic | goffa_: the impedence of earphones higher => quieter. There isa fixed amount of power delivered to them by the source at a given volume level, so higher impedence means less current means less loud. |
| 16:00:52 | DewDude | you have to look at the dbl level |
| 16:01:27 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 16:02:05 | goffa_ | lostlogic: yeah |
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| 16:02:53 | goffa_ | linuxstb: you may find this interesting http://www5.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=37184 |
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| 16:03:35 | linuxstb | goffa_: Thanks. Reading now. |
| 16:04:28 | DewDude | i say screw it all and let's all run 70 volt CV lines to our speakers |
| 16:04:33 | DewDude | with indvidual matching transformers |
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| 16:05:11 | goffa_ | he he he |
| 16:05:34 | Jungti1234 | I have some ideas. |
| 16:05:45 | DewDude | ideas on what? |
| 16:06:12 | | Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 16:07:52 | DewDude | "Older legends say that tube amplifiers can drive lower impedances than their rating demands. So a tube amp with a label saying "8-ohm" may drive 4 and 8 ohms. You can go down but not up. Don't try 16 ohms. And never run a tube amplifier without speakers attached. Other legends of the tube age say that any attempt to use a tube amp with speakers of different impedance may cause damage to the amplifier." <−−-FALSE! I do it a |
| 16:07:52 | DewDude | ll the time. It's the Germanium based amplifers you have to watch out on |
| 16:08:30 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 16:08:37 | Jungti1234 | 1. change to size that user wants icon of status bar. 2. make user can backgrounds of selection menu. |
| 16:09:26 | DewDude | oh, and goffa..one more other thing i've changed about myself....i became a HUGE stoner |
| 16:09:35 | goffa_ | lol |
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| 16:10:07 | DewDude | i' |
| 16:10:09 | DewDude | err |
| 16:10:17 | DewDude | i'm packin a bowl right now :) |
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| 16:15:59 | | Quit pfavr ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20060205]") |
| 16:16:00 | linuxstb | goffa_: You said you have the er4s and a cable will convert them to er4p, but the reviews I've just read (and other sites I've seen in the past) sell the er4p and a cable (ER4P-24) to convert them into er4s. Which makes me think I should buy the er4p, and then buy that cable should I ever buy an amp. |
| 16:16:55 | DewDude | the difference is probably the size of the headphone plug |
| 16:17:06 | DewDude | one is probably quarter inch jack, and the other is 1/8th inch minijack |
| 16:17:31 | DewDude | my senneheisers came with an adapter |
| 16:17:36 | DewDude | but i built my own custom cable |
| 16:17:57 | goffa_ | ah.. that actually makes sense |
| 16:18:11 | goffa_ | i had it backwards |
| 16:18:23 | goffa_ | because the cable would increase impedence |
| 16:18:43 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
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| 16:19:51 | DewDude | heh, i hard wired a quarter inch cable on to my sennheisers after the third time the jacks at the cans failed |
| 16:20:14 | goffa_ | DewDude: same size cable |
| 16:20:19 | goffa_ | just thicker wire to convert |
| 16:20:23 | goffa_ | essentially |
| 16:20:28 | DewDude | well |
| 16:20:33 | DewDude | i meant quarter inch plug |
| 16:20:37 | DewDude | not quarter inch cable |
| 16:20:41 | DewDude | i used standard speaker cable on it |
| 16:20:42 | goffa_ | well plug is the same too |
| 16:20:48 | DewDude | ?? |
| 16:20:52 | DewDude | crazy |
| 16:20:57 | goffa_ | yeah... not really |
| 16:21:05 | goffa_ | just increases the impedance |
| 16:21:06 | DewDude | it's just thicker wire |
| 16:21:18 | DewDude | possibly |
| 16:21:25 | DewDude | but i'll tell you, if you have a knot in your cable |
| 16:21:32 | DewDude | that's ruining the impediance |
| 16:23:01 | DewDude | impedance is also an art |
| 16:23:14 | DewDude | becuase the amount of imedance changes with frequency |
| 16:23:57 | DewDude | if you're using an ohm meter to test...and you have it set at the value you want |
| 16:23:59 | DewDude | you're wrong. |
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| 16:24:28 | _jim_fear | anyone arond? |
| 16:24:38 | petur | sure |
| 16:24:42 | DewDude | no, we died |
| 16:24:46 | _jim_fear | hey whats up petur =D |
| 16:25:11 | petur | everything ok? |
| 16:25:12 | _jim_fear | when i goto the CVS build table... A) what am I looking at and B) can i see what changes were made |
| 16:25:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 9 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:25:15 | * | DewDude starts to bake....toke every minute till golden...repeat if necessary |
| 16:25:33 | petur | the changes are on the front page |
| 16:25:48 | _jim_fear | the front page of rockbox |
| 16:25:49 | _jim_fear | ? |
| 16:25:50 | DewDude | oh...goffa...i'm gonna throw a couple of names at you, you gotta tell me if you've heard from them or not |
| 16:25:57 | DewDude | filburt, sigle |
| 16:26:00 | DewDude | ..i think that's it |
| 16:26:04 | petur | and here: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 16:27:11 | _jim_fear | are the cvs's updated daily? |
| 16:27:13 | petur | the cvs build table shows the devs if any build for a target failed |
| 16:27:33 | petur | whenever somebody commits changes |
| 16:27:43 | petur | could be hourly ;) |
| 16:27:44 | _jim_fear | oiC |
| 16:27:50 | _jim_fear | thats awesome |
| 16:28:08 | _jim_fear | am i suppose to be going to http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml to download the new build? |
| 16:28:18 | petur | the downloads on that CVS page are the latest ones |
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| 16:28:43 | petur | may contain a bug, but mostly ok |
| 16:29:04 | petur | so yes, you can use those |
| 16:29:11 | _jim_fear | how long until a regular build comes out |
| 16:29:26 | petur | 3.0 is expected may 1 |
| 16:29:45 | linuxstb | The last official release was in September. As petur said, the next is due on May 1, with another planned for November. |
| 16:30:03 | petur | what player did you use? |
| 16:30:44 | | Quit quobl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:31:11 | _jim_fear | H300 |
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| 16:31:35 | petur | official support for h300 is in version 3.0 |
| 16:31:48 | _jim_fear | petur u missed it, i was in here the other day trying to diagnose why audio drops when i hold the scroll buttons up or down in a directory |
| 16:31:54 | _jim_fear | needless to say we couldnt figure it out |
| 16:32:15 | _jim_fear | [10:31] <petur> official support for h300 is in version 3.0 <~ which wont be out until may |
| 16:32:43 | petur | the scrolling probably takes too much CPU time and causes the codec to empty the buffer |
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| 16:34:34 | _jim_fear | thats understandable so i was wondering if there was a way to slow down max scroll speed |
| 16:34:43 | _jim_fear | i dont think there is though |
| 16:35:32 | linuxstb | Don't scroll as fast.... |
| 16:35:41 | petur | :D |
| 16:35:44 | goffa_ | dew... had to go fix a printer |
| 16:35:51 | goffa_ | yeah i remember filburt and sigle |
| 16:36:12 | _jim_fear | linuxstb im not worried about me, its my friends in my car ;] |
| 16:37:10 | DewDude | i'm jealous |
| 16:37:14 | DewDude | my mom has a nicer laptop now |
| 16:37:23 | DewDude | it's thin. it's huge |
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| 16:38:09 | goffa_ | he he he |
| 16:38:17 | goffa_ | don't let your sister touch it |
| 16:38:19 | _jim_fear | i just gotz me a new laptop |
| 16:38:25 | _jim_fear | its better than ur moms =P |
| 16:38:27 | _jim_fear | lol |
| 16:38:51 | goffa_ | got mine in january.. turion 2.2... |
| 16:39:31 | _jim_fear | really lol wait |
| 16:39:32 | _jim_fear | okay |
| 16:39:39 | _jim_fear | mine is a turion 2.2 as well |
| 16:39:43 | goffa_ | nice |
| 16:39:46 | _jim_fear | 1gig (1 stick) internal |
| 16:39:50 | _jim_fear | DDR |
| 16:39:52 | goffa_ | yeah... same here |
| 16:39:55 | goffa_ | ddr2 |
| 16:39:56 | _jim_fear | 80 gig 7200RPM |
| 16:39:59 | goffa_ | same |
| 16:40:03 | _jim_fear | odd |
| 16:40:07 | _jim_fear | asus? |
| 16:40:11 | goffa_ | got mine from ibuypower.com |
| 16:40:14 | _jim_fear | how much |
| 16:40:14 | goffa_ | custom |
| 16:40:25 | goffa_ | was $1700 at the time |
| 16:40:28 | _jim_fear | i work @ a pc shop, so i got it through our company |
| 16:40:36 | _jim_fear | www.safehavenpc.com |
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| 16:40:59 | goffa_ | just sold my p4 3.0 to my parents for $800... so i used that as credit towards this :) |
| 16:41:06 | _jim_fear | Spartan SAT155 2.2GHz Turion 15.4" WXGA, 1GIG DDR, DVD/RW, 80 Gig 7200RPM |
| 16:41:17 | _jim_fear | ahh i hate pentiums =) |
| 16:41:27 | _jim_fear | i sold my P4 dell laptop to my mechanic |
| 16:41:29 | _jim_fear | the only reason i miss it |
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| 16:41:34 | _jim_fear | is because of its 1600x1200 resolution |
| 16:41:36 | _jim_fear | i miss that |
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| 16:41:51 | _jim_fear | this is my tower (which i barely use now) MSI K8N-Sli, AMD 64 3500+, 1Gb DDR (2x512), EVGA GeForce 6800GS (oc), 74Gb 10,000rpm Raptor, 80Gb & 160Gb Seagate Baracudas, Lite-On DVD-RW, Logitech g5 & g15 gaming peripherals, 20.5" Digital Widescreen LCD, Logitech Z5300 Soundsystem. |
| 16:41:54 | goffa_ | yeah... mine does 1600x1024 or whatever widescreen comes out as |
| 16:42:17 | goffa_ | not bad for a tower |
| 16:42:21 | _jim_fear | oh no wait im an idiot |
| 16:42:22 | _jim_fear | thats victors |
| 16:42:27 | _jim_fear | this is mine: MSI K8NNeo2 Platinum AMD 64 3000 (1.8GHz) , 1GB DDR400, 6800GT Leadtek Graphics, 300GB Seagate HD, 120 Maxtor HD, Thermaltake Butterfly 450Watt Power supply, Audigy Sound Card, Mitsubishi 21' old tube Monitor (that weighs 5 tons easily) |
| 16:42:31 | _jim_fear | its older than his lol |
| 16:42:56 | warthawg | i have a hamster |
| 16:43:03 | _jim_fear | i have 2 hamsters =D |
| 16:43:06 | _jim_fear | jerry and nigger |
| 16:43:09 | warthawg | heh |
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| 16:52:01 | HCl | hi |
| 16:52:15 | HCl | i have a cat :) |
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| 16:56:28 | Jungti1234 | Does anyone understand method to make BDF font? |
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| 17:04:18 | gentoo | greetings from Greece |
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| 17:04:50 | gentoo | i was wandering if anyone knows how can i browse my hidden files through rockbox |
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| 17:05:27 | petur | settings -> file view -> all |
| 17:06:01 | gentoo | thanks |
| 17:06:05 | gentoo | :) |
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| 17:07:54 | preglow | seems like spdif in the coldfire is 20 bits max |
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| 17:09:19 | Jungti1234 | hm.. |
| 17:09:57 | linuxstb | preglow: I think Linus mentioned that earlier - 20-bit/96KHz maximum. |
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| 17:11:29 | preglow | yup |
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| 17:14:51 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe 20bit isn't possible using dma, as with playback |
| 17:17:37 | preglow | amiconn: no, it seems the internal audio bus doesn't facilitate more |
| 17:19:00 | preglow | i wonder why HAVE_SPDIF_OUT is checked for in debug_menu.c, when it's the spdif in port that seems to be used |
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| 17:42:14 | waran | hi! |
| 17:43:28 | waran | a little question: Is it possible to add _any_ file on the iPod-HDD/Flash to the iTunes-Database? Would be great if I wouldn't had to have my Musik 2 times on the same iPod :) |
| 17:45:07 | preglow | no, it's not |
| 17:45:16 | preglow | not as far as i know |
| 17:45:21 | preglow | but then again, i never use itunes |
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| 17:45:30 | waran | neither do I |
| 17:45:36 | waran | iTunes is Windows-Shit :) |
| 17:45:37 | preglow | rockbox can access all the files you have in your itunes database, though |
| 17:45:40 | linuxstb | No - itunes will tell you that your ipod can't play those files. I tried once adding MP2 files. |
| 17:45:44 | preglow | it will find them when it does its own database scan |
| 17:45:47 | bluebrother | how do the no-itunes ipod programs work? |
| 17:46:07 | bluebrother | aren't they required to write to the ipod database? |
| 17:46:21 | linuxstb | Yes - they attempt to update the database in the same way itunes does. |
| 17:46:51 | waran | in Linux for example you can use also AmaroK to write a iTunes database on the iPod |
| 17:46:52 | preglow | if you want to use the apple os as well, you can just add all the itunes compatible files with itunes, and just copy everything else to the ipod as usual |
| 17:47:01 | bluebrother | ... meaning they don't rely on the obfuscated file system structure of itunes? |
| 17:47:07 | preglow | rockbox can use everything, as long as its not copy protected |
| 17:47:21 | linuxstb | The itunesdb has a limit of 56 characters per filename. |
| 17:47:28 | preglow | just steer away from aac for now... |
| 17:47:29 | linuxstb | (including the path) |
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| 17:48:14 | waran | preglow, ya. But the problem is: I have the files already on the iPod-HDD (in a own folder - for rockbox). If I add them again via iTunes/AmaroK it will _really_ copy them and waste much space. |
| 17:48:58 | linuxstb | The foo_pod plugin for foobar is supposed to handle that - but lots of people have reported it doesn't work with the latest ipod firmware/itunes version. |
| 17:49:05 | RJ | hi from audioscrobbler. Russ told me he spoke with someone about logging songs played on rockbox.. and the issue of some players not knowing their timezone. i updated the wiki page accordingly. Not sure if anyone relevant is in here atm.. anyway: http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/index.php/Portable_Player_Logging |
| 17:50:06 | waran | linuxstb, mhh. Maybe I should give foo_pod a try. |
| 17:50:29 | lostlogic | RJ: scrobbler is not yet in rockbox CVS, in case that's not mentioned. |
| 17:50:44 | RJ | yeah i heard someone was cooking up a patch |
| 17:50:46 | preglow | do _any_ players know their timezone? |
| 17:50:53 | RJ | i understand there's a feature freeze atm for the next release |
| 17:50:55 | preglow | i don't think that's among are settings, currently |
| 17:51:02 | preglow | s/are/the/ |
| 17:51:04 | lostlogic | RJ: yeah, the patch looks decent though, so after 3.0 I'm sure it'll be in |
| 17:51:05 | bluebrother | that's somehow the way I thought it should work |
| 17:51:10 | RJ | cool |
| 17:51:17 | bluebrother | but 56 chars including the path is ... urgh. |
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| 17:52:17 | RJ | we'll advertise rockbox to our users who have portable players once audioscrobbler support is built in |
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| 17:52:49 | RJ | much easier that supporting all sorts of exotic db formats :) |
| 17:53:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Not in Rockbox, but I think the Apple firmware for the 5g uses timezones, with the rtc set to UTC. |
| 17:53:42 | preglow | not a bad arrangement |
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| 17:58:31 | amiconn | RJ: I'm not sure how important time information is for audioscrobbler; rockbox supports daps with and without rtc. |
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| 17:59:04 | amiconn | The ones with rtc know the current time (if the user sets it correctly), but not the timezone. The ones without don't know the time at all |
| 17:59:11 | RJ | i think we'll have to require a time for all submissions |
| 17:59:25 | RJ | the only way for players without a rtc is to interpolate times based on when it was synced or something |
| 17:59:33 | RJ | don't really want to get into that, at least not in the first version |
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| 18:00:30 | lostlogic | RJ: what's the time for? what is audioscrobbler for? *does the ignoramus dance* |
| 18:00:34 | amiconn | Archos recorder v1/v2/fm, iriver H300, iaudio X5 and all ipods have an rtc |
| 18:00:49 | RJ | heh, it tracks and lists your music taste... http://www.last.fm/user/rj |
| 18:00:53 | amiconn | Archos player, Ondio fm/sp and iriver H1x0 do not. |
| 18:01:07 | RJ | massive dataabse, lotsa users + math to match you to other people |
| 18:01:10 | RJ | and recommend music etc |
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| 18:02:24 | lostlogic | RJ: neat. still don't see why accurate time stamping is so important :-P |
| 18:03:09 | RJ | second-accuracy isnt hugely important, as the sequence is enough to infer lots about the nature of music listening.. but it needs some reasonably accurate timestamp |
| 18:03:17 | RJ | as it breaks down your taste into weeks and months |
| 18:03:39 | RJ | and more importantly, our service is designed to require a time atm ;P |
| 18:03:54 | lostlogic | RJ: gotcha, so all of our targets with an RTC would initially be compatible, and times could be interpolated based on ticks and sync time for non-rtc targets later. |
| 18:04:31 | RJ | yeah |
| 18:04:33 | amiconn | Time interpolation based on sync could be off by months... judging from my own sync behaviour |
| 18:04:47 | RJ | yeah, thats why i dont want any interpolation to start with |
| 18:04:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: well a user using scrobbler would likely sync more often |
| 18:04:56 | RJ | just support for players wtih rtc |
| 18:04:57 | amiconn | probably |
| 18:05:16 | lostlogic | but yes, initially RTC players only seems reasonable for a musical taste-over-time system. |
| 18:05:20 | RJ | interpolating times probably screws with our spam detection and other stuff, as it will look weird |
| 18:05:34 | lostlogic | RJ: does your log format detect when tracks are skipped out of vs. played through? If so, how? |
| 18:05:40 | RJ | see the wiki page |
| 18:05:42 | lostlogic | kk |
| 18:05:48 | RJ | S or L, skipped or listened iirc |
| 18:06:37 | lostlogic | hmm, I think the initial rev of the scrobbler patch doesn't support that, will hafta work on that. |
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| 18:09:14 | amiconn | "Timestamp may be left blank if the device does not have a clock, " |
| 18:09:27 | amiconn | (from the wiki page) |
| 18:09:44 | lostlogic | Hmm, yes, shouldn't be too hard to add that information to the track changed callback, along with some possibly other relevent information. |
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| 18:10:31 | RJ | ah, time to update that :) |
| 18:12:15 | lostlogic | ah, it tries to handle it just by how long the track is played for, what is the correct detection? How much of a track should be listened to before it's considered L and not S? Or should it always be S if the user manually skips out of it rather than allowing the system to play out of it automatically? |
| 18:13:01 | RJ | if they listen to >=50% |
| 18:13:04 | RJ | then it's a listen |
| 18:13:05 | amiconn | "rating (L if listened at least 50% or S if skipped)" |
| 18:13:08 | RJ | otherwise, skip |
| 18:13:16 | goffa_ | ratings huh |
| 18:13:20 | lostlogic | hmm, I should read. |
| 18:13:22 | goffa_ | karma had that |
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| 18:13:37 | * | amiconn is not really interested in logging |
| 18:13:48 | goffa_ | i'm not really either |
| 18:14:01 | goffa_ | lol... you find out about a person that way |
| 18:14:02 | amiconn | I don't see the point |
| 18:14:23 | goffa_ | traded my karma with a guy with an ipod at my friend's wedding... |
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| 18:14:25 | lostlogic | to get new music recomendations that match your current listening taste |
| 18:14:30 | RJ | imo it's fun to see your music listening stats :P |
| 18:14:31 | goffa_ |
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