| 00:02:13 | RedBreva_ | Hi Guys, start of dumb newbie question season... I have actually managed to install SuSE 10 on the laptop, but am at a bit of a loss on how to start making it a Rockbox development platform. I can see that a good starter would be to install GCC, but Yast only has the option to install 4.x, and it seems that 3.x is prefered..? |
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| 00:03:52 | sharpe | as far as i know, 3.x is preferred... |
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| 00:06:21 | Mikachu | you probably can't use the Yast gcc for crosscompiling |
| 00:06:50 | RedBreva_ | Any suggestions on how to get started? |
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| 00:07:35 | lostlogic | RedBreva_: hostCC doesn't matter |
| 00:07:43 | lostlogic | cross compiler depends on target |
| 00:07:55 | lostlogic | 4.0.x for arm, 3.3.x for sh1, 3.4.x for m68k |
| 00:08:33 | RedBreva_ | so 4.x on host is OK ... |
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| 00:11:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's someone in the forums who claims simply leaving the CPU boosted stops skipping in higher bitrate AAC files on iPod. Is it possible that our speed change doesn't happen early enough? |
| 00:12:39 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: with the frequency adjusting automagically, it will let it fall to ~1s on the buffer, boost, fall, boost, fall, if the codec gets into trouble wh en it's already down at ~1s, it will skip soon, but with boosting always on, it will get in trouble with nearly 3 seconds to get out of trouble. |
| 00:15:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, so with boost always on, it has more time to reach a more easily decodeable portion of the song? |
| 00:15:46 | lostlogic | right |
| 00:15:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd nods. |
| 00:15:59 | scorche | amiconn: i played bubbles way too much today... |
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| 00:19:25 | preglow | riiight, we don't use the wspll for recording yet... |
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| 00:24:36 | sharpe | should i update the raster counter before or after an instruction is executed? |
| 00:26:26 | preglow | ehh, according to the schematics, sysclk is unconnected... |
| 00:28:17 | sharpe | okay, the c64 updated the frame 50 times per second... pal's framerate is 25fps... it makes so much sense to display every other frame. |
| 00:29:32 | twisted` | http://bastardoperatorfromhell.org/ipod |
| 00:29:49 | twisted` | anyone with an iPod who doesn't feel like settin up udev or hotplug or whatever |
| 00:29:55 | twisted` | can use that script to mount and unmount |
| 00:29:57 | twisted` | *lazy* |
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| 00:36:07 | obo | twisted`: shouldn't it eject as well on unmount? |
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| 00:40:57 | twisted` | no |
| 00:41:04 | twisted` | it could |
| 00:41:11 | twisted` | when you eject it can stay connected on usb |
| 00:41:22 | Mikachu | if you eject you have to replug it if you want to mount it again i think |
| 00:41:27 | twisted` | when you unmount well... you can just take it out |
| 00:41:34 | twisted` | Mikachu: yeah |
| 00:41:47 | Mikachu | but it's better to eject it before you do unplug it |
| 00:41:54 | Mikachu | mostly for linux' sake than the ipod's though |
| 00:45:02 | sharpe | okay, time to see how many errors and warnings i get... |
| 00:46:14 | sharpe | a lot... |
| 00:47:01 | Mikachu | that bit in onplay.c about the shuffle insert |
| 00:47:12 | Mikachu | it checks that the file is a directory, but the while playing part doesn't |
| 00:47:29 | twisted` | Mikachu: works here perfectly :) |
| 00:49:11 | sharpe | i completely lost a section of code. |
| 00:49:32 | Mikachu | this is what i mean, http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-shuffle_insert_dironly.patch |
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| 00:51:44 | hardeep | Mikachi: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:51:50 | hardeep | er Mikachu |
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| 00:53:57 | Mikachu | hardeep: a few lines down is the path for when not playing, and the shuffle_insert there checks for & ATTR_DIRECTORY |
| 00:54:05 | Mikachu | hm |
| 00:54:12 | Mikachu | but maybe you can insert a single file shuffled in a playlist after all |
| 00:54:14 | Mikachu | never mind! |
| 00:55:27 | hardeep | the check at the bottom is to handle the case where nothing is playing |
| 00:55:48 | hardeep | it doesn't make any sense to insert a single track shuffled in that case so we only display the option for directories |
| 00:56:14 | Mikachu | yes, the fact that you can add a single track shuffled was the part i missed first |
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| 01:09:01 | twisted` | sharpe: that sucks man |
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| 01:09:11 | twisted` | sharpe: happened to me a few times, ya feel pwned sooo badly |
| 01:09:31 | sharpe | i'm guessing at first, i had around... 60 to 100 or so. |
| 01:09:44 | sharpe | now i'm down to twenty :) |
| 01:09:57 | twisted` | 60 to 100 |
| 01:09:58 | twisted` | what? |
| 01:10:01 | twisted` | lines of code? |
| 01:10:03 | sharpe | errors/warning |
| 01:10:05 | sharpe | s |
| 01:10:09 | twisted` | ahhh |
| 01:10:16 | twisted` | sometimes it's btw good to lose code |
| 01:10:26 | twisted` | because the second time the way you write it may be very much more rational |
| 01:10:34 | twisted` | resulting in better code |
| 01:10:44 | sharpe | tis what i've done |
| 01:11:07 | twisted` | my previous inturnship |
| 01:11:11 | twisted` | I had to code all day |
| 01:11:13 | twisted` | in php |
| 01:11:30 | twisted` | most of the time I spend on rewriting code |
| 01:11:43 | twisted` | the guy who had to teach me howto... asked me why I kept rewriting |
| 01:11:48 | twisted` | cause he didn't see the point |
| 01:11:57 | twisted` | I did, going from 200+ to 20+ lines of code |
| 01:12:03 | sharpe | heh |
| 01:12:03 | twisted` | is an very big improvement :P |
| 01:12:21 | twisted` | cus I tend to write something, fix on that, fix on that |
| 01:12:27 | twisted` | and look at it and think: hmm, I could've just done... |
| 01:12:45 | sharpe | yeah, i did a big improvement while writing the code... |
| 01:13:03 | twisted` | your working on the c64 emulator right? |
| 01:13:14 | sharpe | yeah |
| 01:13:19 | twisted` | kewl I guess |
| 01:13:24 | twisted` | I never owned a c64 |
| 01:13:34 | twisted` | I've always had Nintendo stuff |
| 01:13:48 | sharpe | i never used my c64... |
| 01:13:51 | sharpe | dunno where it is. |
| 01:13:58 | twisted` | LOL |
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| 01:14:05 | twisted` | how old are you if I may ask? |
| 01:14:22 | sharpe | actually, i guess it was my parent's c64. |
| 01:14:26 | sharpe | fifteen :) |
| 01:15:01 | twisted` | figures then |
| 01:15:05 | twisted` | I thought I was young |
| 01:15:08 | twisted` | but now you made me feel old |
| 01:15:13 | * | twisted` smacks sharpe |
| 01:15:20 | sharpe | eh |
| 01:15:22 | sharpe | i try. |
| 01:15:30 | twisted` | it's dope |
| 01:15:32 | twisted` | I'm only 18 |
| 01:15:33 | twisted` | lol |
| 01:16:13 | sharpe | everyone says i act older... |
| 01:16:17 | sharpe | well, used to anyway. |
| 01:16:54 | twisted` | older people tend to use capitals at the starting of a sentence most of the time and end it with a . |
| 01:16:58 | twisted` | I never did |
| 01:16:59 | twisted` | :) |
| 01:17:03 | sharpe | i used to |
| 01:17:40 | sharpe | although i still do on occassion. |
| 01:17:55 | sharpe | without the extra s |
| 01:17:56 | Hotfusion | I played on my c64 all the time when I was younger before I had a 486 |
| 01:18:12 | twisted` | only thing that rats you out where you can bust people on that they are young... when you talk about music |
| 01:18:26 | RotAtoR | hehe, i used to play on my dad's c64 and c128 all the time as a kid |
| 01:18:34 | twisted` | that sentence didn't make sense... |
| 01:18:39 | sharpe | not much. |
| 01:18:46 | Hotfusion | I remember having to hold down the drive bay door just to load tennis |
| 01:18:54 | Hotfusion | good ole' 5 1/4 drive |
| 01:18:55 | sharpe | heheh |
| 01:19:02 | RotAtoR | hehe, here's me on a c128, i think: http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7945/mec1283mp.jpg |
| 01:19:02 | scorche | twisted`: not quite true....i was raised on 80s music |
| 01:19:25 | sharpe | RotAtoR, ahah... |
| 01:19:34 | RotAtoR | :) |
| 01:19:40 | twisted` | scorche: depends on the person yeah |
| 01:20:04 | sharpe | most of the errors i didn't realize i made. |
| 01:20:04 | Hotfusion | best game on the commodore 64 |
| 01:20:06 | Hotfusion | airborne ranger |
| 01:20:07 | Hotfusion | !!! |
| 01:20:09 | twisted` | scorche: but a lot of people are like... from my age actually which fucks me up 'n makes me feel old... "Prodigy? what's that?" |
| 01:20:17 | scorche | lol |
| 01:20:18 | twisted` | I blame television |
| 01:20:23 | scorche | i am the same age as you |
| 01:20:27 | sharpe | lol |
| 01:20:40 | preglow | when was the c64 introduced, again? |
| 01:20:40 | Hotfusion | ah yes prodity |
| 01:20:45 | Hotfusion | compuserve |
| 01:20:46 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 01:20:55 | scorche | my first comp was a apple IIgs though |
| 01:21:02 | twisted` | scorche: ur parents were rich |
| 01:21:19 | RotAtoR | preglow: according to wikipedia, 1982 |
| 01:21:28 | preglow | damn, that lasted for a while, then |
| 01:21:33 | twisted` | my first pc... which I owned myself... was... I think... yeah... a Compaq I think, or maybe the old IBM pc... |
| 01:21:34 | scorche | i loved it...had a huge thing full of floppies....REAL floppies |
| 01:21:36 | twisted` | hmm not sure |
| 01:21:36 | preglow | i didn't get one until waaay later |
| 01:21:40 | Hotfusion | 1st modem was 9600 baud modem |
| 01:21:46 | preglow | damn, i was barely born at 1982 |
| 01:21:52 | Hotfusion | thought that was flying |
| 01:21:52 | sharpe | lasted until 1990 or so... |
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| 01:22:11 | RotAtoR | sharpe: 1993, accoring to wikipedia :) |
| 01:22:25 | Hotfusion | airborner ranger, destroyer, seven seas of gold, stealth fighter |
| 01:22:26 | Hotfusion | great games |
| 01:22:29 | RotAtoR | that is a long run |
| 01:22:35 | sharpe | now i must register on wikipedia and change the date to reflect my guess... :) |
| 01:22:57 | RotAtoR | i remember many hours playing the great giana sisters |
| 01:23:01 | Hotfusion | oh remember test drive |
| 01:23:04 | Hotfusion | that was very good |
| 01:23:06 | Hotfusion | heh |
| 01:23:22 | RotAtoR | i never had a nintendo, so that was my mario |
| 01:23:30 | sharpe | reading this makes me feel old... but i'm not... |
| 01:23:45 | Hotfusion | load"*",8,1 |
| 01:23:48 | twisted` | <3 mario |
| 01:23:48 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 01:24:08 | twisted` | man my dad totally ruined my computing life |
| 01:24:16 | twisted` | he told me not to use linux cus I couldn't do this 'n that |
| 01:24:23 | sharpe | heh |
| 01:24:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:24:24 | twisted` | if I started usin it when I wanted to... |
| 01:24:29 | twisted` | I would've had 10 years of experience now |
| 01:25:38 | Hotfusion | I remember where I used to live a long time ago there was a tandy computer repair store |
| 01:25:45 | Hotfusion | that fixed commodores at the time |
| 01:25:55 | Hotfusion | was like a hundred or so screwes just to get to the internal components |
| 01:26:03 | sharpe | didn't radioshack do the tandy? |
| 01:26:13 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 01:26:23 | sharpe | 'kay |
| 01:26:37 | sharpe | wooo! |
| 01:26:51 | sharpe | only ten more errors to fix. |
| 01:26:59 | twisted` | sweet |
| 01:27:01 | sharpe | partially warnings |
| 01:27:15 | Hotfusion | kinda funny when you fix 1 error and it magically fixes 20 |
| 01:27:22 | Hotfusion | worse the othe way around hehe |
| 01:27:25 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 01:27:29 | twisted` | hmm |
| 01:27:37 | twisted` | useually when you fix one another one arises |
| 01:27:45 | twisted` | at least with bugs that is |
| 01:27:56 | sharpe | exponential bug growth. |
| 01:28:02 | Hotfusion | you fix all bugs and it still don't work |
| 01:29:02 | sharpe | one down... |
| 01:29:53 | twisted` | hmm |
| 01:29:58 | twisted` | I'm considerin |
| 01:30:03 | twisted` | buyin a second hand NES controller |
| 01:30:06 | Hotfusion | you guys wrapping up the code freeze on rockbox, may day can't come soon enough |
| 01:30:08 | twisted` | and a cheap USB controller |
| 01:30:12 | Hotfusion | :) |
| 01:30:18 | sharpe | i've thought about that too... |
| 01:30:18 | twisted` | and puttin the hardware of the USB controller into the NES controller |
| 01:30:31 | BHSPitLappy | pssh, they're 2.99 at gamestop |
| 01:30:38 | twisted` | ? |
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| 01:30:53 | BHSPitLappy | I have a NES controller here with a torn up connector (tried to make it parallel) |
| 01:30:53 | sharpe | but you don't get your self satisfaction of hacking something together. |
| 01:31:09 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: I'm referring to NES controllers themselves |
| 01:31:25 | sharpe | well, i haven't been to gamestop in a while then :) |
| 01:31:38 | BHSPitLappy | this was a couple years back, honestly |
| 01:31:47 | twisted` | hmm |
| 01:31:51 | * | twisted` checks a local eBay like site |
| 01:31:55 | twisted` | 4 bucks for a NES controller |
| 01:31:56 | twisted` | hmm |
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| 01:35:06 | sharpe | well, the rewritten emulator... compiles. |
| 01:35:45 | sharpe | and i caught myself forgetting to update the lcd. |
| 01:36:56 | sharpe | wonderful data abort errors. |
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| 01:44:00 | sharpe | eh... |
| 01:44:24 | sharpe | now i remember why i never just declared the emulated ram as an array... |
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| 01:45:52 | preglow | someones going mad on the feature requests |
| 01:47:26 | lostlogic | anyone have some corrupted MP3 streams that currently play OK in rockbox and want to test a 1 line change to mpa.c for me? |
| 01:47:49 | sharpe | well, seems as if they know what they want in an audio player. |
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| 01:51:03 | preglow | no corrupted streams here, no |
| 01:51:26 | BHSPitLappy | isn't rockbox responsible for some of the .fnt standard? |
| 01:51:54 | webguest98 | hi i'm trying to complie with vmware, could someone tell me how to access the rockbox folder where i have the source, wich commands i should use? |
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| 01:56:58 | webguest98 | running windows, i have the source at C:\rockbox |
| 01:57:28 | webguest98 | how can i access it from Eterm in vmware |
| 01:57:37 | webguest98 | please |
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| 01:57:57 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm going to risk breaking some corrupted streams that currently play and wait for bitching, I think −− the file I thought it was causing problems with had problems without the change, I was just being retarded. |
| 01:58:11 | lostlogic | and the logic I'm adding _makes sense_ |
| 01:58:53 | preglow | go ahead |
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| 02:02:15 | sharpe | eh, this sucks. |
| 02:02:19 | webguest98 | running windows, i have the source at C:\rockbox |
| 02:02:35 | webguest98 | sorry |
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| 02:04:34 | sharpe | well. i don't know how to fix this data abort error... |
| 02:04:36 | lostlogic | webguest98: you'd hafta setup a share between the two. |
| 02:04:54 | lostlogic | webguest98: I think there is some kind of share setup in the default vmware image, but I've not used it so I'm not sure |
| 02:05:06 | lostlogic | sharpe: check that all of your shit's aligned? |
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| 02:05:23 | sharpe | well, i've tried aligning it. |
| 02:06:08 | webguest98 | thank you... is there any way to compile not having to use Debian? |
| 02:06:26 | webguest98 | is there a way to everything from my computer? |
| 02:06:40 | webguest98 | is there a way to everything from my computer? |
| 02:06:45 | webguest98 | sorry |
| 02:07:15 | Rondom | webguest98: either use cygwin, vmware or install ubuntu/debian or any other linux distro on your pc |
| 02:07:19 | sharpe | wait, would it matter if it's declared static? |
| 02:07:42 | Rondom | if you want to use vmware you have set up a samba share |
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| 02:08:06 | lostlogic | webguest98: I do not believe it is possible to compile natively from windows |
| 02:08:11 | lostlogic | sharpe: shouldn't |
| 02:08:23 | sharpe | blah, how should i align it? |
| 02:08:52 | lostlogic | sharpe: there's an attribute aligned something something |
| 02:09:15 | webguest98 | i'm sorry how do i setup a share? |
| 02:09:18 | sharpe | __attribute__ ((aligned (16))) is what i found... |
| 02:09:18 | lostlogic | but it's almost definitely not the actual buffer that's misaligned, but some data that you are trying to read off of it |
| 02:09:50 | sharpe | i see... |
| 02:10:15 | sharpe | well, definitely doesn't matter if it's static. :D |
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| 02:11:15 | midkay | hm, i'm working on the pitch screen, reintroducing the old left/right +/- 2% thing.. the problem is that the system used for +/- 2% involves the pressing and releasing of a button, and so since the pitch screen is in the menu for iPods and others, when the screen is entered with RIGHT, the release drops the pitch by 2%. so i want to ignore the first RIGHT release event *only* if we enter from the menu. any suggestions? |
| 02:11:15 | eu4ic | can someone help me really quick? −− i'm having a little trouble navigating the rockbox site |
| 02:11:34 | midkay | eu4ic, if you can be a bit more specific about your problem, perhaps.. |
| 02:11:44 | Mikachu | midkay: lastbutton? |
| 02:12:03 | midkay | Mikachu, hm? |
| 02:12:34 | eu4ic | <midkay> i'm trying to look for the section on the site where it lists all the addons i can download for rockbox |
| 02:12:43 | eu4ic | either i'm not looking in the right place, or i'm just blind |
| 02:12:55 | Mikachu | switch (button) {case mybutton: if (lastbutton == mybutton_pre) {do stuff} }; lastbutton=button; |
| 02:12:58 | Mikachu | something like that |
| 02:13:07 | midkay | eu4ic, addons? no, they just don't really exist. |
| 02:13:19 | midkay | all plugins are included.. WPS/themes can be downloaded at the WpsGallery @ the wiki.. |
| 02:13:25 | Mikachu | where _pre is a press and mybutton is |release |
| 02:13:31 | Mikachu | it's done in various places in rockbox |
| 02:13:33 | midkay | Mikachu, ah, hmm.. |
| 02:13:38 | lostlogic | preglow: shit. It breaks _resuming_ any mp3. I hate the world. |
| 02:13:49 | sharpe | and the world loves you back. |
| 02:14:06 | preglow | lostlogic: hah |
| 02:14:28 | lostlogic | so now I get voice, or the ability to resume MP3 :( |
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| 02:14:58 | preglow | you can't fix libmad itself to deal with this? |
| 02:15:15 | eu4ic | <midkay> thanks for clearing that up |
| 02:15:17 | midkay | Mikachu, slightly confusing mentally, but that sounds like it'd work, trying it, thanks :) |
| 02:15:25 | midkay | eu4ic, no problem |
| 02:15:33 | lostlogic | I don't know anything about its internals, and am rather overloaded just with getting swcodec and voice on swcodec in a stable state :( |
| 02:15:41 | Mikachu | midkay: you should find something good with grep lastbutton |
| 02:15:57 | midkay | Mikachu, ah, i'll try that. :) |
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| 02:18:22 | preglow | can't exactly brag too much about knowing its internals either |
| 02:19:55 | webguest98 | sorry, another try... i have the source in my windows pc at c:\rockbox, my question, there's no way i can compile it from my computer? |
| 02:19:59 | lostlogic | *nod* I'm pretty sure it's that 8 bytes bug −− it's looking for the next frame _after_ the small _last_ frame fo the voice clips |
| 02:20:31 | eu4ic | Does anyone know how I'm supposed to get Doom to run on the iPod 5g rockbox software? |
| 02:20:49 | lostlogic | webguest98: you can compile it in vmware, if you mount that folder into vmware. |
| 02:20:50 | Mikachu | most people who read the wiki page probably |
| 02:20:51 | midkay | webguest98, what? why can't you compile it? |
| 02:20:56 | preglow | gharghgh |
| 02:21:07 | preglow | lostlogic: linuxstb said he'd look into fixing that bug |
| 02:21:24 | preglow | i don't have time right now |
| 02:21:36 | preglow | at least i gotta get this spdif stuff done first |
| 02:21:47 | lostlogic | preglow: nod :( Maybe Day it is going to be. *goes back to working on other voice related issues, and doesn't try to resume any MP3s |
| 02:22:57 | sharpe | hey lostlogic :), i need to tell you a statement. |
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| 02:23:06 | lostlogic | sharpe: ? |
| 02:23:12 | webguest98 | when i do "make zip" nothing happens |
| 02:23:36 | webguest98 | when i do "make" lot of text is displayed |
| 02:23:42 | sharpe | what should i align the stuff to? |
| 02:23:43 | preglow | some overshoot on the date is to be expected |
| 02:23:48 | sharpe | wait, that's a quesiton. |
| 02:23:49 | midkay | webguest98, nothing means the zip was made. |
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| 02:23:59 | midkay | webguest98, 'lots of text' is normal for make.. |
| 02:24:04 | webguest98 | where can i get it? |
| 02:24:07 | lostlogic | sharpe: just needs to be long aligned (4 byte) to not break |
| 02:24:13 | midkay | webguest98, in the build dir.. |
| 02:24:15 | webguest98 | i can't find it in my computer |
| 02:24:15 | sharpe | okay |
| 02:24:17 | sharpe | thanks |
| 02:24:37 | lostlogic | sharpe: amiconn gave me forumulas for aligning buffer data access if you need them at all |
| 02:24:42 | webguest98 | ok in the build dir... but how do i bring it to my computer |
| 02:24:46 | webguest98 | ? |
| 02:24:51 | sharpe | lostlogic: you know, that may be useful. |
| 02:25:03 | midkay | webguest98, what do you mean? VMware? |
| 02:25:21 | webguest98 | yes |
| 02:25:27 | midkay | webguest98, Start -> Run -> \\debian .. log in with "user"/"rockbox" and voila. |
| 02:25:59 | webguest98 | i can't access \\Debian it says i have no permission |
| 02:26:17 | midkay | did you try to log in? |
| 02:26:30 | webguest98 | sorry, how? |
| 02:26:41 | midkay | maybe try start -> my network places.. 'user on debian' or 'homes on debian' |
| 02:27:00 | midkay | start -> run -> \\debian should prompt for a username/password.. |
| 02:27:26 | webguest98 | i'm sorry, it says that the path isn't found |
| 02:28:09 | preglow | god, i love this |
| 02:28:12 | midkay | webguest98, hm, if you're using the debian image from the wiki, samba should already be configured to share that stuff.. |
| 02:28:14 | twisted` | what's the hostname of ur pc |
| 02:28:16 | preglow | sometimes spdif recording works, sometimes not |
| 02:28:17 | twisted` | are you sure it's debian |
| 02:28:23 | twisted` | ahhh k |
| 02:28:24 | twisted` | my bad |
| 02:28:28 | * | twisted` didn't know bout the VM |
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| 02:30:11 | webguest98 | i should find Debian at Microsoft windows ntwork, clicking on the workgroup icon right? |
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| 02:32:21 | twisted` | funny... |
| 02:32:22 | webguest98 | when i try to click on the workgroup icon it gives me "workgroup is not accessible. you may not have permission to use this network resource. contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. the list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available" |
| 02:32:23 | ze | webguest98: thats a horrible thing to say |
| 02:32:25 | twisted` | I use VMWare to run Windows... |
| 02:32:51 | preglow | BLAARRGH |
| 02:32:53 | twisted` | webguest98: did you type that or copy that? |
| 02:32:55 | preglow | i forgot a 0x |
| 02:32:56 | preglow | KEKEK |
| 02:33:26 | webguest98 | typed! |
| 02:35:10 | midkay | webguest98, any firewall perhaps? |
| 02:35:22 | midkay | windows'? |
| 02:36:39 | twisted` | webguest98: next time, when windows gives an error do Ctrl+C |
| 02:36:43 | twisted` | it copies it then :) |
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| 02:37:34 | * | preglow leaps out the window |
| 02:37:49 | Mikachu | preglow: oh no -_-;; |
| 02:38:19 | webguest98 | bloody hell Midkay, you're right it was the firewall... thank you, many thanks :) |
| 02:38:32 | webguest98 | i'm finally in :) |
| 02:38:36 | midkay | webguest98, aha :) no problem |
| 02:38:42 | webguest98 | :) |
| 02:39:02 | Hotfusion | Warning: computer has an unexpected error press any key to continue |
| 02:39:06 | Hotfusion | heh |
| 02:40:00 | midkay | twisted`, very interesting, i never knew you could ctrl+c windows errors :) |
| 02:40:28 | twisted` | midkay: dude |
| 02:40:37 | twisted` | midkay: how many errors does one windows machine produce |
| 02:40:51 | twisted` | midkay: if ya would have to type 'em all... man... you'd go nuts |
| 02:40:54 | Hotfusion | WIndowds 95 or Windows xp |
| 02:40:57 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 02:41:03 | midkay | twisted`, haha. whenever i need to, i type them :) |
| 02:41:04 | twisted` | all versions |
| 02:41:22 | Hotfusion | better ye 95 or ME |
| 02:41:25 | twisted` | one of the first things I learned was that I could ctrl+c my errors |
| 02:41:26 | Hotfusion | O.O |
| 02:41:55 | midkay | twisted`, i guess that also says you had to ask for a lot of help ;P |
| 02:42:15 | webguest98 | how can i tell now my firewall to give me permission to access debian |
| 02:42:29 | midkay | webguest98, depends on what your firewall is.. |
| 02:42:44 | twisted` | midkay: nope, I just saw a shitload of errors which make ya go like: wtf |
| 02:42:54 | twisted` | and when someone tells you: do this and that |
| 02:42:57 | twisted` | replyin with the error |
| 02:43:03 | twisted` | is much easier then sayin; eh it doesn't work |
| 02:43:06 | twisted` | then they go: why |
| 02:43:11 | twisted` | well cause it says a lot of mumbo jumbo |
| 02:43:15 | midkay | twisted`, yes, yes :) |
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| 02:43:39 | midkay | erich! |
| 02:43:51 | twisted` | in gnome you can select the error |
| 02:43:53 | twisted` | in kde I dunno |
| 02:44:06 | erich | So on my iAudio X5 I get 6 hours of battery life with rockbox. Thats fine for me; I don't know how much it will have with the regular firmware. the player is a year old. |
| 02:44:07 | Mikachu | you can always grep /dev/mem as root for one of the words |
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| 02:46:37 | webguest98 | where should i look for the rockbox.zip |
| 02:46:39 | webguest98 | ? |
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| 02:47:05 | midkay | webguest98, just your build dir.. |
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| 02:47:18 | midkay | homes/user/rockbox/builddir/rockbox.zip |
| 02:48:35 | webguest98 | i have to create the 3 last folders right? |
| 02:49:04 | twisted` | /homes!? |
| 02:49:09 | twisted` | what kind of system is that :| |
| 02:49:10 | midkay | webguest98, ? |
| 02:49:19 | midkay | twisted`, it's homes on the debian image, seemingly.. |
| 02:49:25 | twisted` | midkay: didn't you mean /home/rockbox/buildir/rockbox.zip |
| 02:49:26 | midkay | or networked oddly.. |
| 02:49:32 | Mikachu | better than Documents\ and\ Settings |
| 02:49:42 | twisted` | microsoft is on crack |
| 02:49:47 | midkay | opened: \\debian\homes\rockbox\apps\screens.c .. |
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| 02:50:04 | midkay | scratch that 'user' part, webguest98 :) |
| 02:50:12 | webguest98 | ok :) |
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| 02:50:52 | webguest98 | i found it :) at \\debian\homes\rockbox\build_h120 |
| 02:51:35 | midkay | that's it |
| 02:51:48 | webguest98 | one more thing |
| 02:52:12 | Hotfusion | anyidea why the iRiver H3xx seris are discontinued. They'll still sell a heck of alot compared to current DAPs now. hmm, makes me wonder if iriver is going in the wrong direction |
| 02:52:44 | webguest98 | just for the test, can i erase everything inside \\debian\homes\rockbox and "make" it again right? |
| 02:53:00 | midkay | webguest98, no, you mean clear out the build folder.. |
| 02:53:03 | midkay | and you should do 'make veryclean |
| 02:53:06 | midkay | instead. |
| 02:53:21 | webguest98 | ok i'll try that |
| 02:53:26 | * | twisted` loves his script |
| 02:53:29 | midkay | nothing in /rockbox is modified during build except the build dir. |
| 02:53:32 | twisted` | it's so simple that it's kick ass |
| 02:53:51 | midkay | twisted`, ah, i won't ask what it is and just keep wondering. :p |
| 02:54:08 | twisted` | midkay: http://bastardoperatorfromhell.org/ipod |
| 02:55:15 | midkay | twisted`, nice. |
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| 02:55:23 | twisted` | booyah |
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| 02:57:57 | scorche | im lazy.. |
| 02:58:55 | webguest98 | i'm in "debian:~/rockbox#" |
| 02:59:08 | preglow | ok, so no one here with skills in coldfire and audio+ |
| 02:59:09 | preglow | ? <- |
| 02:59:26 | webguest98 | and do "debian:~/rockbox# make veryclean" |
| 02:59:27 | twisted` | what's coldfire and audio+ |
| 02:59:28 | midkay | webguest98, cd build_h120? |
| 02:59:39 | midkay | you build from your build dir.. |
| 02:59:46 | midkay | and make veryclean from there as well. |
| 02:59:52 | erich | twisted`: coldfire is a CPU, afaik the one in the iAudio X5. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:03 | twisted` | ahhh |
| 03:00:05 | kaediil | also the one int he iRiver 120 |
| 03:00:14 | midkay | 'make veryclean' only works within a build dir. other stuff does not change during/after compile. |
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| 03:00:44 | webguest98 | ok ok |
| 03:00:50 | midkay | bbiab.. |
| 03:03:53 | preglow | bharhg |
| 03:03:56 | preglow | gotta bed |
| 03:03:59 | preglow | see all later |
| 03:04:23 | twisted` | preglow: nite |
| 03:05:42 | webguest98 | the "make veryclean" worked so as the "make" and "make zip" |
| 03:05:45 | twisted` | how u call those things |
| 03:05:49 | twisted` | you see flyin in westerns |
| 03:05:51 | webguest98 | :) |
| 03:06:00 | BHSPitLappy | ninjas? |
| 03:06:02 | twisted` | no... |
| 03:06:04 | Mikachu | the dry bushes? |
| 03:06:06 | twisted` | yeah |
| 03:06:07 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
| 03:06:09 | BHSPitLappy | tumbleweeds |
| 03:06:52 | twisted` | http://www.nelliecashman.freeservers.com/images/tumbleweed.jpg |
| 03:06:53 | twisted` | yup |
| 03:06:54 | twisted` | thanks |
| 03:06:54 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK twisted` |
| 03:06:54 | twisted` | :D |
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| 03:08:20 | twisted` | I swear... |
| 03:08:27 | twisted` | sometimes I wonder what the HELL my iPod is doing |
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| 03:09:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes I wonder how "Please, don't ask for gameboy roms here or discuss where to find them for download" translates into "PM me and ask me for Roms" |
| 03:09:59 | Kyomi | Anyone get the latest experimental build and know if it has the updated SID plugin? |
| 03:10:16 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: because the world pure straight hates you |
| 03:10:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't there a thread at MR that says what has been added? |
| 03:10:52 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: the key word being "here" probably |
| 03:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, I can't tell them not to ask *anywhere*. Technically I don't even have jurisdiction in the Rockbox forums, but at least people seem to think I do, and usually listen to me. :) |
| 03:12:11 | Mikachu | what i meant was that it's possible to interpret "here" as in the public part of the forums |
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| 03:12:28 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: it's because you're nice to them. :D |
| 03:12:35 | Mikachu | thus translating your first question into your second question |
| 03:13:08 | Kyomi | Anyone? |
| 03:13:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I dunno. One of them described me as "always sounds like he fell out of the wrong side of bed." I think that's about the right level of "respect for the fact that he will help us, but no desire to converse with him" |
| 03:13:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Why not just read the progress thread at MR, or compile your own build with SID? |
| 03:14:01 | Kyomi | I was reading it |
| 03:14:08 | Kyomi | Sometimes he doesn't say what happends |
| 03:14:09 | Kyomi | -d |
| 03:14:14 | Kyomi | And |
| 03:14:19 | Kyomi | I can't compile anything like that :P |
| 03:14:29 | Kyomi | Because I h8 cygwin |
| 03:14:41 | Kyomi | And I'm not dual-booting or running linux |
| 03:14:43 | Kyomi | so nyah :P |
| 03:14:47 | Mikachu | vmware! |
| 03:14:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Ah. So not "can't" so much as "won't." You could also *download* the experimental and see if it has it. |
| 03:14:50 | goffa | does cygwin work in wine? |
| 03:14:55 | goffa | :) |
| 03:15:06 | sharpe | that's kind of redundant isn't it? |
| 03:15:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: And as has been mentioned, VMWare offers another alternative. So does colinux. We have 3 means so far of building Rockbox in windows. |
| 03:15:23 | Mikachu | more stupid than redundant :) |
| 03:15:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: For those who want truly abominable compile times. |
| 03:15:33 | webguest98 | i'd like now to apply a patch, reading the tutorial, it tells to do "cd to/source/root" and than "patch < patchfile" |
| 03:16:01 | sharpe | what about, vmware inside quemu, inside wine, inside vmware, inside windows? :D |
| 03:16:10 | sharpe | qemu |
| 03:16:25 | webguest98 | but how's the procedure, where should i have my patch in debian |
| 03:16:29 | webguest98 | ? |
| 03:16:34 | kaediil | sharpe is obviosuly masochistic |
| 03:16:37 | Mikachu | webguest98: "patchfile" includes the full path |
| 03:16:49 | Mikachu | webguest98: so if it's in /tmp/file you type /tmp/file |
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| 03:17:59 | webguest98 | than i do "make" after "make zip" and will have my rockbox patched? |
| 03:18:08 | Kyomi | How can I tell which version is in it? |
| 03:18:53 | Mikachu | Kyomi: ask the guy to send you the source and look |
| 03:19:03 | Mikachu | if he doesn't, he's violating the gpl |
| 03:19:13 | Mikachu | but i suspect the source is in the forum post as well? |
| 03:19:25 | Kyomi | Mikachu: That still doesn't help me |
| 03:19:33 | Kyomi | Yes, I know to look |
| 03:19:41 | Kyomi | But is it labeled with the version? |
| 03:20:00 | Kyomi | Where will it be? |
| 03:20:52 | Mikachu | no idea ;) |
| 03:21:22 | Kyomi | Exactly why I'm asking the question :P |
| 03:21:55 | Mikachu | i guess you could just ask the experimental guy |
| 03:22:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: Doesn't he just use the daily? |
| 03:22:08 | Kyomi | Yeah |
| 03:22:14 | Kyomi | But Doom wasn't in the Daily for a bit |
| 03:22:22 | webguest98 | the steps to patch should be, "make" than the "patch" than "make zip" right? |
| 03:22:23 | Kyomi | I dunno if the SID thing is |
| 03:22:45 | Mikachu | webguest98: incorrect |
| 03:22:56 | webguest98 | how than? |
| 03:23:03 | Mikachu | patch, make, make zip |
| 03:23:14 | Mikachu | also; it's then, not than |
| 03:23:24 | webguest98 | sorry :) |
| 03:23:51 | webguest98 | i'll try then patch, make and make zip" |
| 03:24:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: SID isn't part of Rockbox, so it'd only be in it if he patched it. |
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| 03:26:02 | webguest98 | when on Eterm for patch, on wich folder should i be at? /rockbox right? |
| 03:27:05 | webguest98 | debian:~/rockbox/cd to/source/root |
| 03:27:24 | webguest98 | correct? |
| 03:28:00 | Mikachu | do you understand what to/source/root means? |
| 03:28:11 | Mikachu | it's the directory that has "apps", "firmware" etc |
| 03:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It means the root folder of your source code, rather than literally /source/rood |
| 03:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | root |
| 03:29:53 | webguest98 | ok you do "cd" and after the path of where you want to be taken to right? |
| 03:30:09 | twisted` | I wonder can I unmount my iPod from irc... |
| 03:30:22 | webguest98 | pointless my previous question then, right? |
| 03:30:26 | twisted` | YUP I can |
| 03:30:27 | twisted` | :D |
| 03:30:31 | twisted` | Unmounting iPod... |
| 03:30:31 | twisted` | umount: /mnt/ipod: not mounted |
| 03:30:31 | twisted` | iPod umounted from /mnt/ipod |
| 03:30:34 | twisted` | rofl |
| 03:30:38 | twisted` | Checking if iPod is connected... |
| 03:30:38 | twisted` | iPod not connected! Abort... |
| 03:30:43 | twisted` | lol |
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| 03:32:54 | sharpe | hey paul, i rewrote the emulator code. |
| 03:35:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does anyone know if it's possible to disable receiving PMs on the forums? |
| 03:35:19 | kaediil | Don't log on? |
| 03:35:35 | sharpe | don't click the link with "message" in it? |
| 03:35:36 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: i tihnk there is an option in your prefs.. |
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| 03:36:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I didn't see it in the prefs. Do you know where exactly? |
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| 03:37:54 | JdGordon | hmm.. maybe this forum doesnt have it.. |
| 03:38:11 | webguest98 | could someone please then explain me the "cd to/source/root" |
| 03:38:15 | webguest98 | please? |
| 03:38:16 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd, what pm's are thine getting? |
| 03:38:34 | sharpe | change the directory to where the folder your source is in |
| 03:38:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest98: Go to the root folder of your source code. Probably the rockbox folder |
| 03:39:52 | webguest98 | but its giving me "-bash: cd: to/source/root: no such file or directory" |
| 03:39:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: It varies. The most common are "Can you give me Doom .wads / gameboy roms / pacman roms", then comes "Will you make a custom build for me?". Occasionally I get a genuine "I can't figure this out, and you were helping me in the thread, but I didn't want to keep filling up the forums" style question. And every now and then "Hey, can you delete my thread for me, as the forums don't seem to let me do that?" or some other administ |
| 03:40:14 | sharpe | wow. |
| 03:40:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest98: "cd" means "change directory." You need to change to where YOUR source is, not type it exactly. |
| 03:40:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest98: So, "cd ~\rockbox" or something similar maybe |
| 03:41:00 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:41:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd typed the wrong /, I believe |
| 03:41:29 | sharpe | speaking in the third person, are we? |
| 03:41:42 | webguest98 | let me try thanks |
| 03:43:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Bad habit I picked up somewhere. But yeah, I'd rather not ignore PMs completely because then the people who actually *need* help get the shaft. So it'd be easier to turn them off, have them get a rejection message or not be able to send one, and then have them just ask in the appropriate thread |
| 03:43:10 | webguest98 | "cd" means "change directory." You need to change to where YOUR source is, not type it exactly |
| 03:43:32 | webguest98 | ahhh :) ok k i think i'm getting it |
| 03:46:27 | Hotfusion | man skingrad oblivion is taking awhile to get through |
| 03:46:31 | Hotfusion | >.< |
| 03:49:45 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 03:49:50 | webguest98 | "file to patch: <what here? patch file name?>" |
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| 03:50:36 | Mikachu | you want to press ctrl-c there and give -p0 or -p1 to patch |
| 03:52:08 | webguest98 | -p0 or -p1? sorry... |
| 03:52:46 | sharpe | try, "patch -p0 < yourpatchfilename" |
| 03:54:55 | webguest98 | thank you it seems to work that way, but i got a "1 out of 2 hunks failed... " |
| 03:55:16 | Mikachu | then you are probably out of luck |
| 03:55:25 | webguest98 | what does it means ? |
| 03:56:13 | twisted` | that the patch mechanism is secretly gay |
| 03:56:18 | twisted` | and lost a hot lookin dude |
| 03:56:24 | twisted` | or you just mistyped... |
| 03:56:36 | biffhero | argh. need help |
| 03:56:40 | Mikachu | it's hard to get a patch to not apply to one hunk by mistyping a command |
| 03:56:49 | Hotfusion | just not hunky enough |
| 03:57:08 | biffhero | i loaded up a theme, but the background and font colors are the exact same. |
| 03:57:26 | Mikachu | maybe it only changes the wps then |
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| 03:58:45 | kaediil | what does incompatible model mean when trying to run a plugin? |
| 03:59:29 | twisted` | that your model |
| 03:59:32 | twisted` | is incompatible |
| 03:59:33 | twisted` | duh :) |
| 03:59:51 | Mikachu | it can also mean that the plugin can be too old/new compared to your rockbox.player |
| 03:59:56 | kaediil | well that clears thing sup a lot :) |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:11 | Mikachu | ie some internal stuff changed |
| 04:00:27 | biffhero | twisted. r u in front of a rockbox ui? |
| 04:00:28 | kaediil | hmm wth did I do to the plugin, I have been working on it all day grr |
| 04:01:20 | sharpe | oh |
| 04:01:21 | sharpe | wait |
| 04:01:30 | sharpe | kaediil: what is the errror? |
| 04:02:11 | sharpe | without the extra 'r' |
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| 04:08:59 | twisted` | biffhero: nope |
| 04:10:25 | webguest98 | so if 1 of 2 hunks failed, then the patch is not going to work, correct? |
| 04:11:23 | biffhero | webguest98: correct |
| 04:11:32 | webguest98 | dam |
| 04:11:37 | webguest98 | :( |
| 04:11:52 | biffhero | what file holds the current settings? if i nuke that, i should boot up into normal rockbox theme |
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| 04:13:23 | webguest98 | is there any other way i can try to do it? |
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| 04:14:12 | biffhero | webguest98: at this point, u need 2 read the files, and patch "by hand" |
| 04:15:23 | midkay | webguest98, check the file.c.rej.. |
| 04:15:33 | midkay | and just do it manually, yeah. |
| 04:15:43 | kaediil | hmm interesting. Ever since I updated from the repository, it seems I have to do a make veryclean in between builds or I get "Incompatible model" error |
| 04:16:06 | webguest98 | how? <my god> |
| 04:16:54 | midkay | webguest98, the lines with a - behind them = delete them.. |
| 04:16:54 | midkay | and + = add.. |
| 04:16:56 | midkay | just add the + lines, subtract the - lines, and that's it. should be a quick job.. like .. a minute's worth of work at most. :) |
| 04:17:44 | biffhero | midkay: do you know what file holds my settings? like what theme to start up with? |
| 04:18:09 | midkay | biffhero, it's not accessible really. if you have an iPod, turn it on and flick the hold switch on, and your settings will be reset.. |
| 04:18:50 | biffhero | toggle the hold switch on/off after rockbox boots? |
| 04:19:13 | midkay | e.g. press menu, then turn the hold switch on right away.. |
| 04:19:25 | midkay | so it's on when rockbox boots, and thus interpreted as "reset my settings pls". |
| 04:19:35 | biffhero | k |
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| 04:19:51 | webguest98 | <midkay> i should delete the "-" lines from the patch file correct |
| 04:19:57 | webguest98 | ? |
| 04:20:26 | midkay | webguest98, what do you mean? remove the lines with a "-" in the .rej file from the file itself.. |
| 04:20:43 | biffhero | woo hoo. thx midkay |
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| 04:20:51 | midkay | biffhero, no problem |
| 04:21:20 | twisted` | wtf |
| 04:21:26 | twisted` | this has GOT to be the most useless thing EVER |
| 04:21:31 | twisted` | you can shoot an object into spac |
| 04:21:33 | twisted` | space |
| 04:21:35 | twisted` | and you can get it back |
| 04:21:38 | twisted` | for 99 dollar |
| 04:21:48 | twisted` | cannot be bigger then a can of soda and cannot be heavier then 350 gram |
| 04:21:53 | twisted` | what the fuck... is the use |
| 04:21:56 | midkay | that is so cool. |
| 04:21:59 | midkay | url? |
| 04:22:11 | biffhero | solar radiation experiments |
| 04:22:22 | webguest98 | i have 7 ".rej" files.. wich one is it? |
| 04:22:24 | sharpe | heh, the differening opinions of people on irc. |
| 04:22:35 | sharpe | still can't type today |
| 04:22:40 | midkay | twisted`, there doesn't always have to be a use.. maybe just for *having* something that's gone farther than 99.9% of human beings into space? |
| 04:22:56 | midkay | webguest98, whichever said 'x hunks out of x failed'.. |
| 04:23:02 | midkay | maybe more than one.. |
| 04:23:07 | sharpe | that percentage is probably higher than that midkay |
| 04:23:12 | midkay | sharpe, for sure.. |
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| 04:26:27 | webguest98 | the most similar i find is a line with "−−-", i should now erase this line, save the file and try the patch again? |
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| 04:27:53 | twisted` | I'd rather go into space myself |
| 04:28:03 | twisted` | but seriously... what is so small... that you wanna send there and back |
| 04:28:07 | twisted` | it can even be ALIVE if you want |
| 04:28:08 | twisted` | WHY |
| 04:28:14 | twisted` | what you wanna put in a can SO SMALL |
| 04:28:35 | twisted` | hmm... Cigarretes from Outer Space |
| 04:28:37 | twisted` | yummie... |
| 04:29:24 | midkay | why not? |
| 04:29:46 | webguest98 | 2 hunks failed now! |
| 04:30:47 | twisted` | roflmfao |
| 04:30:52 | twisted` | this women got busted |
| 04:31:02 | twisted` | for smuggelin some weed 'n a grenade into a prison |
| 04:31:10 | twisted` | hidden in her cunt |
| 04:34:10 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:34:20 | midkay | i'm offended. |
| 04:35:02 | twisted` | why? |
| 04:35:08 | midkay | that word you used. |
| 04:35:14 | sharpe | "her" |
| 04:35:16 | twisted` | weed? |
| 04:35:16 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:35:21 | midkay | that many consider to be _the_ most offensive word in the english language. |
| 04:35:28 | sharpe | i know |
| 04:35:29 | twisted` | "her" ? |
| 04:35:37 | sharpe | "roflmfao" |
| 04:35:43 | twisted` | rofl |
| 04:35:47 | sharpe | "women" ? |
| 04:36:00 | midkay | sharpe, okay, you're blowing it. :p |
| 04:36:03 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:36:21 | twisted` | fuckin conventional americans... |
| 04:36:38 | twisted` | 'n why the hell are all the birds happily whistlin outside... it's like 04:30am |
| 04:37:07 | sharpe | they want to fuck with your head. |
| 04:37:16 | midkay | 4:00am or 04:00. not BOTH. |
| 04:38:23 | sharpe | the deafening loudness of *silence*. |
| 04:41:57 | scottder | Oooh 8 and 10GB Nanos *drool* |
| 04:42:17 | sharpe | every type a word so much, it loses meaning and sense of it's correct spelling? |
| 04:44:00 | webguest98 | ok, i got the hunk error, i removed the "-" line now there's no way to know if its going to work, right?... i should now "make", "make zip" and install my patched rockbox, correct? |
| 04:44:18 | webguest98 | please |
| 04:44:28 | twisted` | midkay: both is proper |
| 04:44:35 | midkay | webguest98, well, it should work if you get no errors. |
| 04:44:42 | midkay | try making, you'll either get errors or not. |
| 04:44:56 | midkay | twisted`, semi-joking.. but 04:00am is rather redundant.. |
| 04:45:42 | twisted` | midkay: a lot of people still dunno, 12hr time would be 04:00pm for 16:00pm 24hr time |
| 04:46:06 | midkay | no idea why you'd say 04:00pm instead of just 4:00pm.. |
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| 04:46:33 | midkay | a "0" before a digit in the hour place on a clock says to me "24-hour time".. |
| 04:46:36 | sharpe | or just, 4pm |
| 04:46:45 | midkay | sharpe, haha. |
| 04:46:53 | Hotfusion | or 16:00 4pm |
| 04:46:55 | twisted` | oh I always prefix time |
| 04:47:06 | webguest98 | i got errors |
| 04:47:09 | sharpe | or we could always stop talking about the format of time. |
| 04:47:11 | midkay | then fix + retry.. |
| 04:47:18 | midkay | or we could always not! |
| 04:47:22 | sharpe | true |
| 04:47:23 | twisted` | 00:00 - 00:00 just looks better then 0:00 |
| 04:47:32 | sharpe | or we could figure out how i don't get data abort errors |
| 04:47:34 | Hotfusion | make is like a stop watch |
| 04:47:39 | Hotfusion | 00:00:00 |
| 04:47:41 | midkay | 00:00 should only show up in 24hr time.. |
| 04:47:49 | midkay | thus 0:00 is an invalid argument.. |
| 04:47:54 | midkay | or whatever. |
| 04:47:59 | sharpe | you mean representation |
| 04:48:01 | twisted` | midkay: it should yeah |
| 04:48:09 | twisted` | midkay: BUT most people still are like: night or day? |
| 04:48:09 | midkay | what should yeah what? |
| 04:48:19 | twisted` | uh... whaddaya think ya stupid fuck, I said 04 not 16 |
| 04:48:30 | midkay | right, 04 implies morning. |
| 04:48:39 | midkay | but, yeah :) |
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| 04:48:44 | twisted` | tell that to your fellow citizins |
| 04:48:46 | midkay | most people are idiots :) |
| 04:48:48 | sharpe | what about, we create a time format, where it's all syncronized throughout the whole world, and has a completely different type of display? |
| 04:48:51 | twisted` | citizens ? |
| 04:48:52 | twisted` | dunno |
| 04:48:55 | midkay | citizens! |
| 04:48:56 | * | twisted` doesn't care |
| 04:49:00 | twisted` | me is tired |
| 04:49:04 | Galois | we should abolish and stamp out redundancy |
| 04:49:08 | webguest98 | <midkay> fix what??!! |
| 04:49:18 | midkay | sharpe, like a;sidlaAEKKEIAIASDIFASDFsharpesuxÂFADF = 4:01pm! |
| 04:49:19 | twisted` | sharpe: it's called @ |
| 04:49:23 | midkay | webguest98, fix the errors? |
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| 04:49:41 | twisted` | Internet Time is a "new" way to tell time, invented and marketed by the Swiss watch company Swatch. The current Internet Time is the same all over the World (no time zones or daylight saving time adjustments). The current Internet time can be found on the World Clock just below the long list of cities there. ("Internet time: @xxx .beats") |
| 04:49:49 | sharpe | exactly. |
| 04:52:13 | twisted` | seriously... linuxtoday is some piece of shit |
| 04:52:31 | twisted` | they link to an article... which links to an article... which links to the article WHERE ALL THE OTHER ONE'S ARE BASED ON |
| 04:52:38 | twisted` | just link to THAT one |
| 04:52:54 | sharpe | reminds me of... research. |
| 04:53:03 | sharpe | on a sparsely documented topic |
| 04:53:05 | sharpe | you know |
| 04:53:10 | sharpe | like the bubonic plague. |
| 04:53:32 | sharpe | which i have to write a paper on |
| 04:54:54 | twisted` | the hell u talkin bout... :D |
| 04:55:06 | sharpe | everything's based on the same thing |
| 04:55:45 | sharpe | with different wording |
| 04:56:06 | sharpe | slight deja vu |
| 05:00 |
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| 05:08:49 | webguest98 | thank you very much for all the help, i'll be here tomorrow :) |
| 05:08:52 | webguest98 | thank you |
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| 05:20:25 | twisted` | man |
| 05:20:35 | twisted` | wikipedia sucks badly in consitency |
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| 05:21:35 | midkay | in what way? |
| 05:21:41 | twisted` | well ok |
| 05:21:47 | twisted` | google: wiki metallica |
| 05:21:54 | twisted` | and then click from there to their album pages |
| 05:22:01 | twisted` | it will tell the opposite |
| 05:22:03 | twisted` | LOL |
| 05:22:09 | twisted` | or stuff that has been told different |
| 05:22:13 | twisted` | or page styles aren't the same |
| 05:22:15 | twisted` | or whatever |
| 05:22:48 | midkay | what's inconsistent exactly? |
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| 05:27:44 | sharpe | not being consistent. :) |
| 05:28:59 | twisted` | midkay: ya know what consistent means right? |
| 05:29:06 | twisted` | cus that means like, same as in code |
| 05:29:09 | twisted` | that it would be |
| 05:29:13 | midkay | twisted`, i know what consistent means, of course. |
| 05:29:16 | twisted` | ahh ok |
| 05:29:19 | midkay | i mean what is inconsistent *about the pages*? |
| 05:29:20 | twisted` | well some ppl don't |
| 05:29:34 | midkay | hm, well, we already went over the fact that most people are retarded. :p |
| 05:29:40 | midkay | jk! |
| 05:29:49 | midkay | but not really! just gauging your reaction! |
| 05:33:12 | sharpe | dur |
| 05:34:38 | sharpe | :D |
| 05:36:03 | scorche | http://www.wikitruth.info |
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| 05:52:55 | twisted` | ey I asked this like... before but I forgot |
| 05:53:01 | twisted` | I want to have a bootloader or something |
| 05:53:10 | twisted` | so I can choose between rockbox and the original firmware |
| 05:53:27 | twisted` | or atleast change swap it around that it boots original instead of the other or something |
| 05:54:20 | gursikh | The choice at boot is already RB bootloader behaviour by default. |
| 05:54:37 | gursikh | What target? |
| 05:55:23 | twisted` | gursikh: iPod Video |
| 05:55:28 | twisted` | well |
| 05:55:32 | twisted` | I gotta press that button |
| 05:55:32 | sharpe | hmmm |
| 05:55:34 | twisted` | real fast 'n stuff |
| 05:55:46 | twisted` | I just want either a) a bootloader, which waits like 5sec |
| 05:55:56 | twisted` | or b) it should standard boot original |
| 05:55:56 | twisted` | :D |
| 05:56:01 | sharpe | i've an idea |
| 05:56:02 | twisted` | how can I get that |
| 05:56:24 | sharpe | that would satisfy all the people that want to be able to choose to boot the original firmware |
| 05:56:43 | twisted` | which is? |
| 05:57:04 | sharpe | ipodlinux bootloader! |
| 05:57:28 | twisted` | and how do I config it to bootup rockbox or original? |
| 05:57:39 | gursikh | yeah, i guess you can do that too, But AFAIK the RB BL can boot into linux,RB, and Orig as well. |
| 05:58:18 | sharpe | actually i had a completely different idea |
| 05:58:20 | sharpe | but still |
| 05:58:28 | sharpe | similar |
| 05:58:37 | twisted` | but |
| 05:58:40 | twisted` | can I change it |
| 05:58:48 | twisted` | so it does original unless I press menu |
| 05:58:52 | sharpe | sure |
| 05:58:54 | twisted` | or get a menu, like lilo or grub |
| 05:59:01 | twisted` | how? |
| 05:59:05 | sharpe | i was thinking about a grub like menu... |
| 05:59:16 | sharpe | modify the code |
| 05:59:17 | sharpe | :D |
| 05:59:28 | gursikh | default RB answer: Down the code and get crackin! |
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| 05:59:37 | sharpe | essentially. |
| 05:59:48 | twisted` | damn |
| 05:59:56 | twisted` | I don't even have a build env. yet |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:05 | twisted` | so I gotta go through like a zillion docs |
| 06:00:07 | sharpe | better get started then |
| 06:00:08 | twisted` | first... |
| 06:00:09 | twisted` | damn |
| 06:00:09 | sharpe | nope |
| 06:00:11 | twisted` | fuck that |
| 06:00:13 | twisted` | too tired |
| 06:00:15 | sharpe | only one page if you're good |
| 06:00:26 | sharpe | and fifteen minutes |
| 06:00:47 | twisted` | hmm |
| 06:01:09 | sharpe | are you on windows or linux? |
| 06:01:19 | twisted` | linux |
| 06:01:49 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 06:04:35 | Galois | twisted`: I already have a patch for that |
| 06:04:50 | Galois | http://efnet-math.org/~djao/apple-default.diff |
| 06:05:43 | gursikh | BAM! |
| 06:06:02 | sharpe | Emril!! |
| 06:06:07 | twisted` | huh |
| 06:06:08 | twisted` | ah |
| 06:06:15 | twisted` | for the bootloader u mean? |
| 06:06:21 | twisted` | happen to have a precompiled one? :D |
| 06:06:44 | Galois | it's bad form to run binaries that other people supply, so ... no |
| 06:08:51 | twisted` | howso? |
| 06:09:23 | Galois | it's like eating pills from someone you don't know |
| 06:09:32 | scorche | security risks |
| 06:09:50 | sharpe | gee, i think there's something wrong with my makefile for the bootloader |
| 06:09:52 | scorche | but it is mainly about you learning to do it yourself i believe |
| 06:10:02 | twisted` | oh I just consider it as a on-a-trust-basis |
| 06:10:18 | sharpe | so far, 250 attempts to build rdf2binary, convbdf, scramble, ipod_fw, bmp2rb, and codepages |
| 06:10:19 | Galois | a secondary reason is that I think people should use rockbox since rockbox is better than the default, so it hardly makes sense to encourage using the apple firmware |
| 06:10:40 | twisted` | hmm |
| 06:10:42 | twisted` | well |
| 06:10:48 | Galois | a third reason is that the patch isn't very useful anyway −− the apple firmware has a sleep mode and it never shuts off unless you leave the player off for like 2 days |
| 06:10:50 | twisted` | it lowers battery with 14hrs |
| 06:11:01 | twisted` | so... better, not yet for me |
| 06:11:09 | twisted` | since I use those 20hrs :P |
| 06:11:20 | Galois | so at worst you need to press and hold menu, what, once every two days, if you use the apple firmware all the time? |
| 06:11:44 | twisted` | Galois: everytime I take it out of the usb connector |
| 06:11:47 | sharpe | you can still reset it in the apple firmware... |
| 06:11:48 | twisted` | it reboots :) |
| 06:12:22 | Galois | huh? what are you talking about |
| 06:12:35 | Galois | my ipod nano does not reboot when the usb connector is removed, not in the apple firmware |
| 06:13:18 | sharpe | holding select and menu in the apple firmware reboots... |
| 06:14:25 | sharpe | shit. |
| 06:14:36 | sharpe | damnit. |
| 06:16:20 | * | scorche gently pats sharpe gently on the head |
| 06:16:50 | scorche | too many gently-s in there >_> |
| 06:17:00 | sharpe | ahah... |
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| 06:17:43 | sharpe | after about the four-hundredth attempt to build the tools in my bootloader makefile, make started throwing errors |
| 06:18:01 | sharpe | discovered there were around thirty make.exe's running |
| 06:18:11 | sharpe | blackbox crashed |
| 06:18:28 | scorche | make.exe? |
| 06:18:37 | sharpe | mmhmm |
| 06:18:39 | twisted` | Galois: when I remove it from the dock, it reboots |
| 06:19:04 | twisted` | funny |
| 06:19:05 | scorche | you win win orlinux? |
| 06:19:10 | scorche | *in |
| 06:19:14 | sharpe | cygwin :D |
| 06:19:24 | twisted` | when my phone seeks for network, the iPod light goes on |
| 06:19:24 | scorche | meh |
| 06:19:37 | sharpe | that's amazing. |
| 06:22:05 | lostlogic | I am an imbecile. |
| 06:22:17 | sharpe | howso? |
| 06:22:20 | * | twisted` pets lostlogic |
| 06:22:32 | lostlogic | been beeting myself up over a bug that resulted from the typing of && vs || in a very obvious place. |
| 06:22:46 | twisted` | roflmfao |
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| 06:23:00 | scorche | ouch |
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| 06:23:15 | sharpe | lostlogic, what about my problem? :D |
| 06:23:31 | lostlogic | sharpe: you already tried aligning the big array thing itself? |
| 06:23:40 | sharpe | yep |
| 06:24:01 | twisted` | I should actually... |
| 06:24:07 | sharpe | tried, 1, 4, 8, 16, and 'aligned' by itself for the compiler to do it. |
| 06:24:15 | lostlogic | should compile with -save-temps, get the assembly, dissassemble the rockbox.elf, find the instruction that data aborts, find that in the .s file for the file it comes from, map that to a C line and then debug. |
| 06:24:16 | twisted` | like... once... re-encode allll my music that I have on the iPod |
| 06:24:28 | twisted` | to MP3 VBR 128-192 |
| 06:24:35 | sharpe | eh, it's okay |
| 06:24:36 | lostlogic | twisted`: never reencode |
| 06:24:40 | lostlogic | unless you mean re-rip |
| 06:24:47 | twisted` | impossible |
| 06:24:49 | sharpe | i'll work around it to use the plugin buffer |
| 06:25:00 | twisted` | and you won't notice the sound difference anyway |
| 06:25:31 | twisted` | it just drives me nuts |
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| 06:25:40 | twisted` | that complete albums are 320kbps |
| 06:25:42 | lostlogic | ... transcoding is bad, mmmk? |
| 06:25:54 | twisted` | wtf I can't hear that difference through the iPod earplugs |
| 06:26:06 | sharpe | why don't we get mad about it... |
| 06:26:12 | lostlogic | get better air plugs |
| 06:26:13 | lostlogic | :) |
| 06:26:18 | lostlogic | ear even |
| 06:26:22 | lostlogic | I talk like dumb, is late |
| 06:26:24 | sharpe | they're ear buds... |
| 06:26:34 | scorche | i late earbuds... |
| 06:26:37 | scorche | hate |
| 06:26:51 | sharpe | earplugs block sound... |
| 06:27:06 | scorche | have some of the shure ones that go around your ear...you would be surprised at how nice they are |
| 06:27:24 | scorche | invasive, i dont like |
| 06:27:37 | lostlogic | W00T voice over audio for the first time since I started refactoring it! |
| 06:27:44 | lostlogic | and it seems comparatively stable. |
| 06:27:54 | lostlogic | how about some IEMs |
| 06:27:59 | lostlogic | which both block sound and play sound |
| 06:28:04 | sharpe | wait until it starts throwing mean paranoia inducing comments |
| 06:28:22 | scorche | "i cant let you do that dave..." |
| 06:28:25 | lostlogic | I'm so getting a pair of E500s when they come out |
| 06:28:39 | lostlogic | and now I sleep. |
| 06:28:42 | sharpe | should totally add that in as a voice.. |
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| 06:28:48 | * | BHSPitLappy turns lostlogic off. |
| 06:29:04 | twisted` | *rocks to the beat of ac/dc* |
| 06:29:14 | scorche | lostlogic: mmmm...those are hot |
| 06:29:20 | sharpe | twisted`: alternating current/direct current? |
| 06:29:21 | BHSPitLappy | *shocks to the voltage of ac* |
| 06:29:37 | sharpe | actually it'd be amperage... |
| 06:29:37 | twisted` | lalalala |
| 06:29:43 | sharpe | amperes |
| 06:29:54 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: yeah, that occured to me immediately following the use of the RETURN key. |
| 06:30:00 | * | BHSPitLappy runs away, crying |
| 06:30:08 | sharpe | i have a ENTER key |
| 06:30:11 | sharpe | an |
| 06:30:18 | scorche | i have 2! |
| 06:30:25 | BHSPitLappy | but does it have a little arrow on it? |
| 06:30:27 | sharpe | like, totally! |
| 06:30:30 | sharpe | yes, yes it does. |
| 06:30:34 | scorche | only one does =( |
| 06:30:36 | BHSPitLappy | cause that's symbolese for "RETURN" |
| 06:30:43 | sharpe | no |
| 06:30:49 | BHSPitLappy | or \n or nl or whatever |
| 06:30:50 | sharpe | that's the symbol for look left |
| 06:30:54 | * | BHSPitLappy looks left |
| 06:30:57 | BHSPitLappy | tricky bastard |
| 06:31:01 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: what about my turbo button? =P |
| 06:31:05 | sharpe | i'm a tricky one i am |
| 06:31:08 | * | BHSPitLappy runs for cover |
| 06:31:12 | BHSPitLappy | not the turbo button!! |
| 06:31:25 | sharpe | has anyone heard of my dilemma with wireless keyboards? |
| 06:31:28 | BHSPitLappy | nope |
| 06:31:29 | scorche | no |
| 06:31:32 | BHSPitLappy | but please do tell |
| 06:31:33 | scorche | i wuv mine |
| 06:31:41 | BHSPitLappy | same. |
| 06:31:42 | twisted` | I got 2 Enter keys |
| 06:31:44 | twisted` | one has the arrow |
| 06:31:47 | twisted` | the other doesn't |
| 06:31:50 | twisted` | I also got one key |
| 06:31:54 | twisted` | that says: not used" |
| 06:31:55 | scorche | my only beef is security, but that is why i dont use the bluetooth versions |
| 06:31:56 | sharpe | why is it so hard to make a wireless keyboard that's rectangular in shape, and is a mini keyboard... |
| 06:31:58 | twisted` | it produces this: z |
| 06:32:00 | twisted` | uhh |
| 06:32:04 | twisted` | I mean: < |
| 06:32:06 | sharpe | and why are all keyboards shaped like amoebaes now?! |
| 06:32:16 | twisted` | damn I neve use the key I think it ends at the z |
| 06:32:18 | BHSPitLappy | twisted`: maybe we should take one of those enter keys away, and maybe you then won't use it so damn often |
| 06:32:26 | BHSPitLappy | sentences only need to take up one IRC line |
| 06:32:29 | twisted` | BHSPitLappy: bullshit |
| 06:32:37 | sharpe | not |
| 06:32:39 | scorche | look and weep! |
| 06:32:41 | twisted` | BHSPitLappy: point me where it says so in the rfc |
| 06:32:41 | sharpe | how many words |
| 06:32:43 | sharpe | there are in |
| 06:32:47 | sharpe | the damn sentence |
| 06:32:54 | * | scorche digs up the stats of this box |
| 06:32:59 | * | BHSPitLappy points to paragraph 1729, line 17, word 6 |
| 06:33:09 | twisted` | a sentence is a sentence when I use proper grammer and puctionation |
| 06:33:12 | twisted` | and I use neither |
| 06:33:12 | sharpe | how do you encompass that in one word? |
| 06:33:58 | scorche | [OS] Slackware 10.0.0 (2.4.26) :: [Uptime] 50 days, 23:07 :: [CPU] 1-Pentium MMX @ 166MHz (12% load) :: [Memory] 41M Used, 60M Total (32% Free) :: [Video] S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE] (800x600/24 Bit/73Hz) :: [Disk] 2.94G Used, 14.85G Total (75% Free) :: [Network] Linksys Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 model NC100 (eth0: 411.31M In, 108.79M Out) |
| 06:34:00 | scorche | =D |
| 06:34:24 | twisted` | scorche: you need new hardware |
| 06:34:28 | sharpe | no |
| 06:34:29 | twisted` | specially a new nic |
| 06:34:31 | sharpe | he needs a life |
| 06:34:39 | twisted` | I mean that name is like... wrong to the max |
| 06:34:45 | scorche | >_> |
| 06:34:53 | * | scorche sobs in the corner |
| 06:35:06 | sharpe | and that's what you get. |
| 06:35:14 | twisted` | I need a new pc |
| 06:35:14 | sharpe | why am i procrastinating so much? |
| 06:35:17 | scorche | how can you denouce an s3 ViRGE?!?!? |
| 06:35:17 | sharpe | wait |
| 06:35:18 | twisted` | it's slow as fuck... |
| 06:35:21 | twisted` | and I need new hd's |
| 06:35:30 | sharpe | i need to buy that 2.0ghz processor... |
| 06:35:55 | sharpe | but then i realize |
| 06:36:12 | sharpe | i can buy another mobo like i had, and overclock this on |
| 06:36:12 | sharpe | e |
| 06:36:19 | * | scorche pets his real box |
| 06:36:29 | twisted` | lol |
| 06:36:38 | twisted` | this pc... damn.. old |
| 06:36:49 | scorche | for a poor person, you learn to respect the smaller things |
| 06:36:51 | twisted` | Intel Pentium 4 2.53ghz, 1.5gb ram |
| 06:36:58 | scorche | i upgraded a few months ago |
| 06:37:03 | twisted` | and like... not so many hd space |
| 06:37:06 | twisted` | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 06:37:07 | twisted` | /dev/hda3 18G 9.1G 7.8G 54% / |
| 06:37:07 | twisted` | tmpfs 761M 4.0K 761M 1% /dev/shm |
| 06:37:07 | twisted` | /dev/hdb1 187G 185G 1.6G 100% /WD200GB-1 |
| 06:37:07 | twisted` | /dev/hdc1 184G 175G 0 100% /WD200GB-2 |
| 06:37:08 | scorche | opteron 175 ^_^ |
| 06:37:09 | twisted` | /dev/hda1 115M 9.6M 105M 9% /boot |
| 06:37:12 | twisted` | /dev/hda4 92G 73G 15G 84% /home |
| 06:37:14 | twisted` | tmpfs 10M 152K 9.9M 2% /dev |
| 06:37:16 | twisted` | /dev/hdd 582M 582M 0 100% /media/cdrom0 |
| 06:37:18 | scorche | heh |
| 06:37:19 | twisted` | /dev/sda2 56G 55G 1.4G 98% /mnt/ipod |
| 06:37:27 | twisted` | I still gotta locate the other hd's |
| 06:37:33 | twisted` | I have 2 more 200gb's somewhere |
| 06:37:34 | scorche | i have 1.5T |
| 06:37:35 | twisted` | but where... |
| 06:37:37 | scorche | and i need more |
| 06:37:48 | BHSPitLappy | formidable paste there. |
| 06:38:10 | scorche | lucky there isnt any flood protection in here |
| 06:38:45 | twisted` | flood protection?! |
| 06:38:46 | twisted` | lol |
| 06:38:53 | sharpe | lets test that theory... |
| 06:39:00 | twisted` | I remember doin /exec -o ls -lhR / once when I was fuckin high |
| 06:39:03 | twisted` | they got sooo pissed |
| 06:39:19 | twisted` | cus everyone else was stoned too so couldn't remember the chanserv pass |
| 06:39:22 | twisted` | to kick me off the chan |
| 06:40:22 | sharpe | whatever... |
| 06:42:49 | twisted` | lol |
| 06:43:05 | twisted` | Remember kids, don't mix drugs and irc |
| 06:44:13 | BHSPitLappy | friends don't let friends chat high |
| 06:44:45 | scorche | friends don't let friends chat high without logging activated |
| 06:44:49 | scorche | >fixed |
| 06:45:00 | twisted` | whehehe |
| 06:45:10 | twisted` | yesterday I did a dcc-chat with a friend of mine |
| 06:45:16 | twisted` | to test how fast it sended shit |
| 06:45:28 | twisted` | we ended up doin ls -lhR and dmesg and god I don't know what else |
| 06:45:34 | twisted` | parsin complete 'n utter crap |
| 06:45:46 | BHSPitLappy | don't you know ls is a gateway command? |
| 06:45:56 | BHSPitLappy | you're lucky you didn't overparse yourself to death. |
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| 06:47:49 | Hotfusion | well guys in a couple of hours I will press the submit button for my 1st mp3 player iaudio x5l *gasp* |
| 06:48:27 | sharpe | eh? |
| 06:48:39 | Hotfusion | I gotta p |
| 06:50:10 | twisted` | BHSPitLappy: wha? |
| 06:50:21 | BHSPitLappy | face it. you need help. |
| 06:50:50 | twisted` | BHSPitLappy: no :D |
| 06:50:54 | twisted` | BHSPitLappy: what I need is really simple |
| 06:51:04 | twisted` | BHSPitLappy: either $4 or a pack of cigarrettes |
| 06:51:12 | | Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") |
| 06:51:14 | * | scorche shuffles up close to twisted` |
| 06:51:22 | twisted` | 0_o |
| 06:51:36 | sharpe | i want to... do the following... |
| 06:51:42 | sharpe | yell |
| 06:51:49 | twisted` | scorche: go ahead! |
| 06:51:50 | sharpe | scream at something |
| 06:51:58 | twisted` | sharpe: want my phone number? |
| 06:51:59 | sharpe | go to sleep |
| 06:52:07 | sharpe | be happy |
| 06:52:07 | twisted` | sharpe: u can call me and we yell togheter |
| 06:52:08 | twisted` | rofl |
| 06:52:17 | sharpe | not be bored... |
| 06:52:37 | sharpe | not be lonely |
| 06:52:37 | | Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-215-87.worldnet.co.nz) |
| 06:52:45 | twisted` | k now it just got scary |
| 06:52:47 | | Quit RotAtoR ("fsck your disk") |
| 06:52:54 | twisted` | scorche: I think sharpe wants your attention |
| 06:53:03 | sharpe | eh, i'm being serious. |
| 06:53:26 | * | scorche winks slyly at sharpe |
| 06:53:35 | twisted` | dude we all want to bang a chick |
| 06:53:36 | twisted` | I mean |
| 06:53:37 | twisted` | damn |
| 06:54:15 | sharpe | last week when i was out with my friends, i was sad... i rolled down the winodw and screamed 'fuck' at trees... |
| 06:54:22 | sharpe | window. |
| 06:54:26 | twisted` | anyone here listen Children of Bodom? |
| 06:54:42 | sharpe | i think i'm becoming slightly dyslexic! |
| 06:55:07 | | Quit vmx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 06:55:20 | Hotfusion | no, maybe slight tourette |
| 06:55:34 | | Join vmx [0] (i=oma@p549B6D62.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:56:04 | sharpe | eh, i think i'm getting all those good mental illnesses and disorders. |
| 06:56:36 | twisted` | dude |
| 06:56:38 | twisted` | u need to get laid |
| 06:56:40 | twisted` | fo real man |
| 06:56:53 | * | twisted` gives sharpe $5 for a cheap ho 'n with the change u can buy a pack o ramen |
| 06:57:02 | sharpe | that reminds me |
| 06:57:07 | scorche | sharpe: where abouts you live? |
| 06:57:09 | sharpe | i should cool some ramen noodles tomorrow |
| 06:57:40 | * | twisted` rocks to his imaginary air-guitar |
| 06:57:52 | scorche | twisted`: redudndant much/ |
| 06:58:03 | midkay | scorche, YES. |
| 06:58:05 | scorche | scorche: typo much |
| 06:58:06 | midkay | this is mr. 04:00am. |
| 06:58:11 | sharpe | spicy chicken flavor i think |
| 06:58:13 | twisted` | Fri Apr 21 06:58:13 CEST 2006 |
| 06:58:14 | twisted` | I beat ya'll |
| 06:58:15 | twisted` | rofl |
| 06:58:32 | twisted` | whoo |
| 06:58:39 | twisted` | I better get some drugs 'n beer tonight |
| 06:58:43 | twisted` | 'n get laid! |
| 06:59:00 | twisted` | actually... any of the tree is good... but the latter is preferred... |
| 06:59:05 | twisted` | three* |
| 06:59:18 | | Quit gursikh () |
| 06:59:21 | sharpe | is that all you do in life? |
| 06:59:26 | scorche | meh....i like to save a lot of it for sat instead of fri |
| 06:59:33 | midkay | twisted` is polluting this channel like nobody ever has before. ;) |
| 06:59:42 | scorche | well....since i got here |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:02 | sharpe | exactly, it's turning into... an irc channel!! |
| 07:00:07 | twisted` | sharpe: what get drunk 'n shit?! |
| 07:00:09 | twisted` | basicly yeah |
| 07:00:26 | sharpe | well, at least my life is filled with |
| 07:00:28 | sharpe | um... |
| 07:00:33 | twisted` | BORING SHIT! |
| 07:00:35 | twisted` | whoo\ |
| 07:00:37 | sharpe | mostly. |
| 07:00:39 | sharpe | yeah |
| 07:00:40 | twisted` | yup |
| 07:00:41 | scorche | sharpe: you are young, you have time |
| 07:00:46 | twisted` | sharpe: come over to amsterdam |
| 07:00:48 | twisted` | we'll party |
| 07:00:50 | twisted` | *dances* |
| 07:01:43 | sharpe | i don't want to fly seven hours to germany... |
| 07:01:55 | twisted` | 0_o |
| 07:01:59 | midkay | took you long enough to look that up. :) |
| 07:02:04 | twisted` | germany!? |
| 07:02:10 | twisted` | dude |
| 07:02:13 | twisted` | they didn't won the war |
| 07:02:18 | twisted` | win* |
| 07:02:33 | sharpe | midkay, i didn't look it up... |
| 07:02:39 | midkay | mhm. yep. |
| 07:02:47 | Hotfusion | from wikipedia |
| 07:02:48 | twisted` | yeah else he would've known it wasn't germany |
| 07:03:06 | sharpe | trying to remember how long it takes for a military aircraft to fly to germany... |
| 07:03:16 | scorche | ooo....amsterdam is in germany now? |
| 07:03:25 | sharpe | noo, it's in belgium |
| 07:03:29 | sharpe | just like the smurfs. |
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| 07:03:36 | sharpe | smurfology! |
| 07:03:38 | twisted` | ya'll got issues |
| 07:03:42 | twisted` | but then again |
| 07:03:44 | twisted` | I don't mind |
| 07:03:48 | twisted` | I hate the Netherlands |
| 07:03:52 | sharpe | look who's talking... :D |
| 07:03:55 | twisted` | long live the republic of Amsterdam |
| 07:04:13 | twisted` | I never said I didn't have any issues, I just say ya'll have 'em in a way that it's not not cool (tm) |
| 07:04:19 | sharpe | eh. |
| 07:04:25 | | Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 07:04:25 | twisted` | hmm... remove one "not" |
| 07:04:26 | twisted` | rofl |
| 07:04:27 | sharpe | i'm back to |
| 07:04:35 | sharpe | doing whatever i was doing. |
| 07:04:57 | twisted` | admit it! you were wanking! |
| 07:05:02 | scorche | Hotfusion: it doesnt support ID3? |
| 07:05:04 | * | twisted` won't shake ur hand |
| 07:05:16 | scorche | both hands on the keyboard mister |
| 07:05:28 | sharpe | then i can't move the mouse. |
| 07:05:34 | twisted` | who needs a mouse |
| 07:05:38 | scorche | who needs a mouse? |
| 07:05:43 | scorche | twisted`: pfft! |
| 07:05:48 | * | twisted` uses E |
| 07:05:54 | * | twisted` can do anythin with ze keyboard |
| 07:05:55 | scorche | terminal FTW |
| 07:06:11 | twisted` | tho the mouse is just l33t |
| 07:06:19 | * | twisted` holds META and scrolls mouse wheel |
| 07:06:21 | twisted` | ooh psychedelic |
| 07:06:36 | Hotfusion | who? what? |
| 07:06:37 | sharpe | i need to buy a wireless mini keyboard |
| 07:06:57 | sharpe | twisted, can you find me one in amsterdam? |
| 07:07:22 | midkay | damn, this is frustrating.. |
| 07:07:27 | sharpe | ? |
| 07:07:28 | twisted` | sharpe: dude, don't tell me the economics are so bad they don't have 'em there |
| 07:07:29 | | Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 07:07:50 | sharpe | they have wireless keyboards, but barely any that are mini. |
| 07:07:54 | | Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-215-87.worldnet.co.nz) |
| 07:07:57 | sharpe | it's like |
| 07:08:05 | Hotfusion | oh I bet that got wireless keyboard ;) |
| 07:08:08 | * | twisted` doesn't see the point of wireless keyboards |
| 07:08:11 | Hotfusion | they* |
| 07:08:18 | sharpe | it's physically impossible to make a small, rectangular wireless keyboard. |
| 07:08:19 | twisted` | they need batteries... |
| 07:08:22 | scorche | Hotfusion: read somewhere that it doesnt support ID3 |
| 07:08:36 | Hotfusion | what you talkin about |
| 07:08:37 | twisted` | same with wireless mouse |
| 07:08:39 | twisted` | *yeay* |
| 07:08:44 | * | twisted` got everythin on cords |
| 07:08:49 | * | twisted` doesn't trust "wireless" |
| 07:08:53 | sharpe | yeah, you can't choke anyone with wireless things. |
| 07:08:59 | twisted` | YUP |
| 07:09:00 | scorche | twisted`: keyboard doesnt wear out till months |
| 07:09:05 | Hotfusion | sure you can pull out batteries |
| 07:09:08 | Hotfusion | put down throat |
| 07:09:10 | scorche | mouse is solved with rechargable |
| 07:09:10 | twisted` | check out my kick ass ascii drawing on http://bastardoperatorfromhell.org/ |
| 07:09:16 | twisted` | I couldn't have done THAT with wireless keyboards |
| 07:09:40 | scorche | and just dont get the bluetooth ones and operate in encrypted mode and you are fine |
| 07:09:41 | sharpe | ... |
| 07:09:48 | scorche | Hotfusion: your x5l |
| 07:10:07 | Hotfusion | not worried there scorche |
| 07:10:26 | sharpe | twisted, host my website. |
| 07:10:27 | sharpe | :D |
| 07:10:27 | Hotfusion | rockbox is there :D Plus i used ID3-Tag version 3.3 to sort my artists and songs |
| 07:10:46 | scorche | <3rockbox |
| 07:11:01 | scorche | but i am sticking wiht my archos recorder =P |
| 07:11:05 | twisted` | sharpe: why? |
| 07:11:41 | scorche | twisted`: so he can wank off to his collection when he goes away |
| 07:11:57 | sharpe | twisted`: because i'm too lazy to register a domain, and pay for hosting. and you love me. |
| 07:12:03 | jnc | quick opinion now, what's the absolute best rockbox supported hardware? |
| 07:12:10 | Hotfusion | What do you guys think about the Toshiba Gigabeat. Eh no video but looks ok |
| 07:12:13 | twisted` | sharpe: 0_o |
| 07:12:14 | sharpe | i'd say archoses... |
| 07:12:24 | jnc | archos yeah? |
| 07:12:26 | sharpe | longest it's been developed for. |
| 07:12:35 | twisted` | sharpe: I can get you an forwarder for sharpe.bastardoperatorfromhell.org |
| 07:12:37 | twisted` | but that's it |
| 07:12:37 | twisted` | ^_^ |
| 07:12:39 | midkay | B4gder? |
| 07:12:42 | scorche | i wuv my archos recorder =P |
| 07:12:45 | B4gder | here |
| 07:12:49 | sharpe | hmm |
| 07:12:52 | sharpe | that's tempting :D |
| 07:13:05 | midkay | B4gder.few_free_minutes == true? :) |
| 07:13:22 | B4gder | hm, yes I think so |
| 07:13:40 | sharpe | 'few_free_minutes' not defined in struct 'B4gder' |
| 07:14:27 | twisted` | if (twisted_gets_head();) then {sharpe_gets_hosting();} |
| 07:14:28 | twisted` | booyah |
| 07:14:43 | sharpe | gee, that's almost a given then. |
| 07:14:49 | sharpe | when can i get access? |
| 07:14:51 | midkay | sharpe, hahaha.. B4gder, i'm confused as hell trying to get some _PRE stuff working in the pitch screen, i thought you were experienced with that + was wondering if you could have a look. |
| 07:14:58 | sharpe | :D |
| 07:15:12 | scorche | twisted`: you have beautiful eyes |
| 07:15:18 | twisted` | omg |
| 07:15:24 | sharpe | ahahahah... |
| 07:15:26 | twisted` | don't tell me you went to my flickr |
| 07:15:31 | scorche | >_> |
| 07:15:32 | twisted` | he did |
| 07:15:34 | B4gder | midkay: I'm really not, I think amiconn is a good man to poke about that |
| 07:15:35 | twisted` | >_< |
| 07:15:49 | midkay | damn.. |
| 07:16:04 | sharpe | ahahahah... |
| 07:16:12 | midkay | scorche, url for all of us!? |
| 07:16:40 | sharpe | http://www.flickr.com/photos/teh_twisted/109643848/ |
| 07:16:43 | | Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@208.110.158.140) |
| 07:16:45 | scorche` | http://www.flickr.com/photos/45809242@N00/ |
| 07:16:47 | | Quit scorche` (Client Quit) |
| 07:16:57 | midkay | yay.. |
| 07:18:37 | twisted` | Remember kids, don't do webcams and drugs at the same time |
| 07:19:16 | scorche | oh jeah |
| 07:19:24 | scorche | twisted`: your ascii sucks |
| 07:19:29 | sharpe | yeah, because it's impossible to remove photos once posted online. |
| 07:19:59 | twisted` | scorche: want me to hang you like I did there :P |
| 07:20:00 | twisted` | lol |
| 07:20:20 | sharpe | ahh, "rockbox : inbetween daily dev cycles" |
| 07:21:13 | scorche | midkay: earlier (last nights build-ish), i couldnt get back to my music after exiting metronome |
| 07:21:29 | scorche | froze |
| 07:21:38 | sharpe | for some reason, my doom builds freeze. |
| 07:21:43 | * | twisted` actually starts to wonder if scorche is female or just highly... gay... |
| 07:22:00 | scorche | actually, very straight |
| 07:22:11 | midkay | scorche, you ran metronome during playback or while stopped? |
| 07:22:22 | sharpe | secure in his sexuality enough to act the way he does. |
| 07:22:27 | scorche | straight enough that i have no issues with touching a thong-wearing man's ass |
| 07:22:43 | scorche | midkay: during playback, which stopped playback, but i couldnt get back to playing |
| 07:22:51 | Hotfusion | so it's true. twisted is sith |
| 07:23:02 | twisted` | Hotfusion: you had to THINK about that one?! |
| 07:23:06 | scorche | sharpe: exactly |
| 07:23:16 | midkay | scorche, so.. you were playing music, started metronome thus stopping playback.. then quit.. what did you do next? |
| 07:23:17 | Hotfusion | no I just looked at it 10 sec ago |
| 07:23:27 | Hotfusion | I was distracted by the television |
| 07:23:36 | scorche | midkay: hold on...lemme replicate |
| 07:23:41 | twisted` | no I mean you needed photographical proof of it? |
| 07:24:04 | Hotfusion | sarcasm has left the room |
| 07:24:09 | twisted` | lol |
| 07:24:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:25:00 | twisted` | Build (N)ormal, (D)evel, (S)imulator, (B)ootloader, (M)anual? (N) |
| 07:25:13 | twisted` | hmmm... Simulator is so I can poke shit round on my pc right? |
| 07:25:17 | sharpe | yes |
| 07:25:18 | midkay | B4gder, what's the diff between button_get(true) and button_get(false)? or anyone? |
| 07:25:32 | B4gder | midkay: blocking or not |
| 07:25:33 | sharpe | doesn't true block until it gets a key? |
| 07:25:41 | midkay | B4gder, what do you mean, blocking? |
| 07:25:42 | scorche | midkay: hit f1 twice to get back to wps |
| 07:25:52 | B4gder | midkay: it hangs until you press a key and then returns |
| 07:26:03 | twisted` | FUCK |
| 07:26:03 | scorche | i can browse, but if i try to hit play in the wps, it wont play |
| 07:26:04 | twisted` | I just... |
| 07:26:05 | twisted` | like |
| 07:26:06 | B4gder | non-block means it just checks for a key and return in any case |
| 07:26:12 | twisted` | completely fucked up all compiles |
| 07:26:13 | midkay | B4gder, ah, so switching to false would explain the stopping of playback right away when entering the pitch screen? |
| 07:26:18 | twisted` | I build it for sh1 |
| 07:26:25 | * | twisted` can recompile everything |
| 07:26:26 | midkay | scorche, so where does it freeze? |
| 07:26:38 | B4gder | midkay: no, a blocking button_get doesn't stop the music |
| 07:26:57 | scorche | midkay: not a total freeze...just wont play if i het play...freeze was possibly the wrong word |
| 07:26:59 | midkay | B4gder, that's weird, i can't see any other reason it would immediately stop or SEVERELY slow down playback.. |
| 07:27:09 | midkay | scorche, ah, hm.. |
| 07:27:26 | scorche | midkay: it will work if i browse and play another song, but i cant resume in the wps from it |
| 07:28:01 | midkay | scorche, ah, i see.. so it must just be a problem with not re-initializing something.. i could have a check-see after this.. |
| 07:28:24 | scorche | midkay: no problem...not high on the list i'm sure, but just something i noticed |
| 07:28:51 | sharpe | twisted`, i know why you should provide hosting for me, want to hear the reason? :D |
| 07:29:04 | midkay | scorche, yeah, not high-up, but should be a very quick fix :) thx for the mention |
| 07:29:26 | twisted` | sharpe: well? |
| 07:29:37 | midkay | B4gder, hmm, switching back to 'true' fixed the playback killing.. |
| 07:30:00 | sharpe | because you know you want to host the website where the c64 rockbox emulator came about... lol... |
| 07:30:11 | scorche | i am tempted to take bubbles off the thing....i played that way too much today when i should have been doing other things.. |
| 07:30:18 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:30:30 | midkay | scorche, haha. i beat it recently. :) |
| 07:30:33 | midkay | stuck on the last level for.. days.. |
| 07:30:40 | scorche | how many levels are there? |
| 07:30:41 | * | midkay wants 100 more levels. |
| 07:30:44 | midkay | 100! |
| 07:30:50 | scorche | lol |
| 07:31:13 | * | scorche goes at it again |
| 07:31:44 | twisted` | lol |
| 07:31:54 | twisted` | how much space would you need anyways |
| 07:32:07 | sharpe | for what? |
| 07:32:13 | twisted` | hosting |
| 07:32:24 | sharpe | for the emulator? |
| 07:32:27 | twisted` | ya |
| 07:32:32 | sharpe | i don't know. |
| 07:32:39 | sharpe | what is there to host about an emulator? |
| 07:32:39 | twisted` | *sighs* |
| 07:32:48 | sharpe | source, documentation... |
| 07:32:53 | scorche | midkay: what was the highest score you have gotten on one level? |
| 07:33:06 | twisted` | sharpe: you can also just get a shell @ cb3rob.net |
| 07:33:07 | midkay | scorche, maybe 99 or something.. i remember a few one-shot wins.. |
| 07:33:11 | twisted` | that's the company I work for |
| 07:33:17 | sharpe | ooh. |
| 07:33:20 | sharpe | hmm |
| 07:33:20 | scorche | i have one-shotted, but only 97 =( |
| 07:33:21 | twisted` | $2 a month or something |
| 07:33:26 | sharpe | arr |
| 07:33:28 | twisted` | and you can compile on that machine too\ |
| 07:33:28 | sharpe | g |
| 07:33:30 | midkay | scorche, maybe that was it then.. can't remember. :) |
| 07:33:35 | sharpe | eh, i may |
| 07:33:41 | midkay | scorche, anyways, the last level is _hard_.. where are you now? |
| 07:33:53 | scorche | midkay: it seems time based, so you might have gotten 99 |
| 07:34:02 | midkay | scorche, hm, quite possible. |
| 07:34:13 | scorche | is there a way to resume from the last level you were at?...lol |
| 07:34:36 | midkay | yes? |
| 07:34:45 | midkay | after qutting, just choose to go back to the level.. |
| 07:34:49 | scorche | oh.....didnt see that |
| 07:34:51 | scorche | doh |
| 07:34:58 | midkay | oh, you're on an archos, aren't you? |
| 07:35:00 | scorche | ignore me |
| 07:35:02 | scorche | i am |
| 07:35:08 | scorche | it might be a bit harder for me =P |
| 07:35:18 | midkay | yeah :p |
| 07:35:32 | scorche | i found that |
| 07:35:45 | scorche | butya...it prolly is a bit harder =P |
| 07:35:50 | * | scorche puffs up |
| 07:36:28 | midkay | my 5G's LCD is almost 3x as large, so yeah, maybe a little advantage :) |
| 07:36:57 | sharpe | source takes up 52kb. |
| 07:36:58 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:37:04 | scorche | it isnt too true on-line to where it goes =P |
| 07:37:09 | scorche | have to guess sometimes |
| 07:37:42 | twisted` | sharpe: well I can host ur site I guess |
| 07:37:42 | twisted` | lol |
| 07:37:47 | sharpe | lol |
| 07:37:48 | twisted` | don't really use all of my space anyways |
| 07:37:52 | midkay | scorche, yeah, tried it on my archos, quite ugly and hard to play.. |
| 07:38:04 | midkay | still very impressive that it runs at all. i wouldn't believe it had i not tried it. :) |
| 07:38:16 | scorche | midkay: i like it....but then again, it is all i have |
| 07:38:23 | sharpe | i was really just kidding about it, unless you really want to. |
| 07:38:46 | scorche | then again, i cant motivate myself to ever get an ipod |
| 07:39:05 | midkay | scorche, why not? :) |
| 07:40:02 | scorche | why should i? |
| 07:40:10 | scorche | i can mod my current player however i wish |
| 07:40:13 | midkay | dunno, i asked you :) |
| 07:40:35 | scorche | and 160 gigs (well, 128 cause of sector limits) can be hard to turn away from |
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| 07:41:13 | midkay | scorche, ah, nice. |
| 07:41:23 | sharpe | you know what'd be interesting to implement? |
| 07:41:26 | scorche | what i would gain from ipod, are mainly cosmetic deals, which i dont care much about |
| 07:41:39 | midkay | scorche, if that's how you feel, stay away ;) |
| 07:41:41 | sharpe | on the fly compression on a hard disk. |
| 07:42:05 | scorche | well, it would support other formats also, but what else besides that? |
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| 07:43:13 | midkay | scorche, the huge color LCD - resulting in larger fonts with more viewing area, nicer WPS', etc.. swcodec playback = not only more formats, but crossfade, crossfeed, parametric EQ.. video playback in apple firmware.. |
| 07:43:27 | midkay | it all depends on whether any of it matters to you :) |
| 07:43:57 | scorche | also, i am poor and would rather spend the money on other things =P |
| 07:44:04 | midkay | that too. :) |
| 07:44:26 | midkay | hmm. |
| 07:44:38 | midkay | any ideas why this freezes the player, anyone? |
| 07:44:39 | midkay | while((button == PITCH_RIGHT_PRE) || (button == PITCH_RIGHT_PRE|BUTTON_REPEAT)) |
| 07:44:39 | midkay | button = button_get(true); |
| 07:44:53 | midkay | PITCH_RIGHT_PRE == BUTTON_RIGHT .. |
| 07:45:22 | midkay | it should continue on after RIGHT is released, but it just sort of freezes the LCD (button scanning or something, locked into the loop).. |
| 07:46:33 | twisted` | I never thought I'd say this |
| 07:46:38 | twisted` | but I actually miss programming :| |
| 07:46:43 | sharpe | why? |
| 07:46:53 | twisted` | cus somehow it was fun to do :) |
| 07:47:10 | sharpe | heh |
| 07:47:41 | twisted` | COME ON MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! *rocks* |
| 07:47:48 | sharpe | eh? |
| 07:48:08 | twisted` | np: Children of Bodom - Lil Bloodred Ridin Hood |
| 07:48:22 | sharpe | okay... |
| 07:48:28 | midkay | you all suck@ |
| 07:48:44 | twisted` | pff now your probably gonna tell me I'm not supposed to sing along or something |
| 07:48:57 | midkay | no, no, go on! |
| 07:49:06 | twisted` | I'm considerin to reinstall my machine today... |
| 07:49:07 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 07:49:26 | twisted` | but not quite sure yet... considerin Slackware... but... dunno |
| 07:49:37 | midkay | amiconn, morning :) hey, maybe you have an idea about the code i just pasted a little earlier? |
| 07:49:48 | sharpe | go for slackware :D |
| 07:49:56 | scorche | i wuv slack |
| 07:50:05 | scorche | but i also wuv other distros =P |
| 07:50:22 | scorche | slack is what i learned on though, so it will always hold a special place |
| 07:51:14 | amiconn | midkay: Nope. Only remark I have is that _PRE button macros shouldn't be used that way, but that shouldn't break your code |
| 07:51:28 | twisted` | debian did the trick for me |
| 07:51:36 | midkay | amiconn, right, it's just temporary screwing-around-trying-to-get-it-to-work code atm :( |
| 07:51:39 | twisted` | learned the most on gentoo... but that also became the distro I hated the most |
| 07:51:45 | midkay | hmmm. |
| 07:52:26 | scorche | debian is my current preferred |
| 07:52:36 | scorche | friend is also a dev for debian |
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| 07:53:21 | axion_ | twisted`: hahaha, same |
| 07:54:19 | sharpe | what should i do? |
| 07:54:37 | scorche | get laid? |
| 07:54:48 | sharpe | other than that? |
| 07:55:41 | twisted` | get drunk |
| 07:55:51 | Hotfusion | go to amsterdam |
| 07:55:54 | twisted` | werd |
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| 07:56:07 | scorche | one of these days, i need to go out there |
| 07:56:20 | twisted` | it's boring actually... |
| 07:56:39 | scorche | oh? |
| 07:56:41 | twisted` | but well, it just rocks compared to the strict shit in other countries |
| 07:56:56 | twisted` | gmm |
| 07:57:04 | twisted` | hmm, no I won't try Slack... |
| 07:57:17 | twisted` | maybe OpenBSD... hmm... cus I *won't* use FreeBSD |
| 07:57:20 | axion_ | try LFS |
| 07:57:32 | twisted` | just because of the fact that it seems to be very overrated |
| 07:57:39 | scorche | lfs is hot |
| 07:57:41 | scorche | encap |
| 07:57:42 | sharpe | heh, be a rebel. |
| 07:57:45 | twisted` | nope, I won't ever do "compile your own linux" crap again |
| 07:57:48 | sharpe | use windows. |
| 07:57:51 | sharpe | ahahahah... |
| 07:57:59 | twisted` | gentoo drove me insane |
| 07:58:07 | twisted` | emerge -avuD world |
| 07:58:10 | twisted` | 10 hrs later |
| 07:58:11 | twisted` | whoo-hoo |
| 07:58:11 | scorche | you should try lfs/encap if you havent =P |
| 07:58:11 | axion_ | i've been using lfs for a few years after i gave up on all portage-like net distros after using gentoo |
| 07:58:31 | scorche | axion_: what do you think of it? |
| 07:58:33 | twisted` | I've been recommended to use SourceMage |
| 07:59:34 | axion_ | i like being in total control...nothing can f*ck up unless I tell it to |
| 07:59:56 | twisted` | debian doesn't fuck up on me :) |
| 07:59:59 | * | twisted` pets debian |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:07 | twisted` | actually I should resize my / |
| 08:00:20 | twisted` | and install either bsd or hurd on it... |
| 08:00:30 | twisted` | I would prefer hurd |
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| 08:00:47 | scorche` | twisted`: http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/hints/2002-September/001244.html |
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| 08:01:52 | axion_ | true, but i can build lfs for my p4, and use new software without waiting for it to be put in one of debian's repos |
| 08:02:58 | twisted` | ya that;s actually the ONLY reason I'm considerin to use a sourcebased distro |
| 08:03:05 | twisted` | but then again... I could compile it all myself |
| 08:03:09 | twisted` | that';s why I thought of Slack |
| 08:03:13 | twisted` | got a bit of both afaik |
| 08:03:17 | * | twisted` wanna checkout xgl |
| 08:03:28 | scorche | you see my link? |
| 08:03:34 | twisted` | yup |
| 08:03:35 | twisted` | read it |
| 08:03:48 | scorche | its hot |
| 08:03:58 | axion_ | i would recommend slack right after lfs...good choice, though still i386 based |
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| 08:04:09 | twisted` | so is debian |
| 08:04:16 | * | twisted` doesn't care about optimizations |
| 08:04:50 | axion_ | does debian/slack even have a a64 version? |
| 08:04:59 | twisted` | http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 08:06:00 | scorche | debian does |
| 08:06:14 | scorche | i believe someone made a slack, but not sure |
| 08:06:50 | axion_ | ah. yeah gentoo is just getting worse too |
| 08:07:13 | midkay | *commits pitchscreen update*.. |
| 08:07:18 | midkay | *hopes it doesn't break anything* |
| 08:07:35 | axion_ | now they don't even support stage1 installs. they give you a pre-compiled toolchain to work with, and let me tell you it is buggy as hell |
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| 08:08:36 | scorche | toolchains are handy for lfs =P |
| 08:09:28 | twisted` | well |
| 08:09:34 | twisted` | that was the main reason I used gentoo |
| 08:09:38 | twisted` | cus I had to do shit from scratch |
| 08:09:38 | sharpe | ever realize something out of nowhere? |
| 08:09:46 | twisted` | but... eventually ya didn't do SHIT |
| 08:09:50 | scorche | sharpe: never |
| 08:09:51 | twisted` | cus ya type: emerge bla |
| 08:09:55 | twisted` | and it does EVERYTHING |
| 08:09:59 | axion_ | yep |
| 08:10:14 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks there should be a rockbox-fans channel, for rockbox users to chat about non-rockbox things without making the logs harder to read each day. :-P |
| 08:11:03 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd thinks too much |
| 08:11:30 | twisted` | ../../../../gdb-6.1.1/sim/arm/iwmmxt.c:3722: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'memcpy' |
| 08:11:34 | twisted` | bad gdb |
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| 08:11:36 | twisted` | ../../../../gdb-6.1.1/sim/arm/iwmmxt.c:3727: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'memcpy' |
| 08:11:39 | twisted` | damn |
| 08:11:50 | twisted` | wtf |
| 08:11:52 | twisted` | people read logs?! |
| 08:12:00 | sharpe | yes |
| 08:12:01 | axion_ | i just grep them |
| 08:12:03 | axion_ | :P |
| 08:12:09 | twisted` | what for :| |
| 08:12:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can only really grep if you're looking for specific keywords though |
| 08:12:38 | axion_ | or times :) |
| 08:12:42 | axion_ | days |
| 08:12:43 | sharpe | you know. i know none of you care. but, i think i just realized i fucked something up in my life. |
| 08:12:53 | scorche | bout time |
| 08:12:58 | sharpe | thank ye |
| 08:13:03 | B4gder | you have a life? |
| 08:13:08 | B4gder | then get out of here |
| 08:13:14 | B4gder | :-) |
| 08:13:19 | sharpe | spring break, nothing else to do :) |
| 08:14:02 | midkay | B4gder, you're in charge of fixing any pitchscreen problems. thanks for volunteering (i.e. being the first dev to speak recently). much appreciated. :) |
| 08:14:05 | twisted` | there is |
| 08:14:07 | B4gder | but man is the forum getting crowded these days |
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| 08:14:11 | twisted` | CELEBRATE SPRING BREAK! |
| 08:14:12 | twisted` | GET DRUNK! |
| 08:14:14 | twisted` | GET NEKKID! |
| 08:14:24 | sharpe | oh B4gder, i forgot to tell you, i can't get the emulator to work with the arrays. |
| 08:14:47 | B4gder | why not? |
| 08:14:55 | sharpe | get a data abort error |
| 08:15:01 | twisted` | hmm |
| 08:15:08 | twisted` | I remember someone givin me a patch for the iPod thing... |
| 08:15:11 | twisted` | but where did it go... |
| 08:15:24 | sharpe | somewhere where you can't remember. |
| 08:15:37 | twisted` | Galois: http://efnet-math.org/~djao/apple-default.diff < to where do I apply that actually? |
| 08:15:39 | spitball | hmm... sounds like the multiplexer is out of synch with the decoder chip |
| 08:15:42 | B4gder | midkay: ;-) |
| 08:16:04 | midkay | B4gder, surprisingly generous actually ;) |
| 08:16:19 | twisted` | *grunts* |
| 08:16:27 | midkay | come on come on dammit.. buiiiiild. |
| 08:17:06 | midkay | B4gder, i see that the builds appear on the table below as they're finished, right? @ CVS builds. |
| 08:17:24 | B4gder | they appear there as soon as they're complete |
| 08:17:35 | sharpe | but |
| 08:17:50 | midkay | B4gder, right.. it'd be absolutely kickass to see the green/yellow/red number as they finish as well. |
| 08:17:50 | sharpe | i'm going to |
| 08:17:54 | midkay | :) |
| 08:17:58 | B4gder | midkay: a small hint they at least link fine ;-) |
| 08:17:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: You apply it to /bootloader/ipod.c as it say in the file... |
| 08:18:03 | sharpe | work on something. |
| 08:18:07 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: ah k |
| 08:18:07 | midkay | B4gder, i'm on it :) |
| 08:18:25 | * | B4gder hands midkay the plate with 19 golden points |
| 08:18:47 | midkay | can't believe i didn't catch that.. |
| 08:18:53 | B4gder | and farsan is back in the game |
| 08:19:14 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: is that in the rockbox cvs or... |
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| 08:19:33 | sharpe | b4gder, can you think of any solution to my problem? :D |
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| 08:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: All rockbox source is in CVS... Also, I take it you haven't actually looked for it yet? |
| 08:19:53 | B4gder | sharpe: not really, as I can't think of why it happens right now |
| 08:20:04 | sharpe | neither can i nor lostlogic |
| 08:20:21 | midkay | k, fix should be committed.. B4gder you're seriously in charge now, i need to go ;) nite all |
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| 08:20:37 | B4gder | good night midkay |
| 08:20:39 | sharpe | i think i'm going to go do some work, then go to sleep... |
| 08:20:41 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: I did a find and couldn't find the dir it mentions :S |
| 08:20:53 | sharpe | g'night peoples. |
| 08:20:58 | twisted` | sharpe: nite |
| 08:21:25 | twisted` | hmm I got no dir called bootloader :S |
| 08:21:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, did you check out "rockbox" or "rockbox-devel" as the using cvs page mentions that rockbox just has the files necessary for a normal build |
| 08:21:42 | twisted` | ahh rockbox |
| 08:21:43 | twisted` | :) |
| 08:21:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: try "cvs co bootloader" from the root of rockbox |
| 08:21:52 | twisted` | kewl, lemme grab the other one |
| 08:21:57 | twisted` | hmm |
| 08:21:57 | twisted` | ok |
| 08:22:25 | twisted` | sweet |
| 08:24:02 | twisted` | k I build the bootloader... now... do I have to do make zip? or... ? |
| 08:25:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: You should have a bootloader directory under your build dir, with a bootloader.bin |
| 08:25:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | You use that in much the way you originally installed your bootloader (I hope you kept the bootpartition.bin from the first time) |
| 08:25:35 | twisted` | ah yes :) and I install that the same way |
| 08:25:46 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: yup |
| 08:25:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't want to repeat the first step where you extract bootpartition.bin |
| 08:29:12 | twisted` | Step 3 - Install the bootloader |
| 08:29:17 | twisted` | I only need that step right? |
| 08:29:22 | twisted` | cus I didn't remove any files |
| 08:29:41 | twisted` | "Download a pre-compiled bootloader for your iPod from the IpodInstallation page. " instead of that I use the bootloader I just compiled right? |
| 08:30:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 08:31:19 | twisted` | sweet |
| 08:31:36 | scorche | well, its been fun kids |
| 08:31:38 | scorche | nite |
| 08:31:52 | twisted` | nite |
| 08:32:30 | twisted` | yeaaah |
| 08:32:32 | twisted` | alright |
| 08:32:32 | twisted` | it works |
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| 08:55:16 | twisted` | omg! |
| 08:55:17 | twisted` | omg! |
| 08:55:21 | twisted` | I got money! cash! |
| 08:55:21 | twisted` | YES! |
| 08:55:28 | twisted` | now all I should do is find my shoes |
| 08:55:34 | twisted` | 'n goto teh store 'n buy cigarettes! |
| 08:55:42 | twisted` | 'n some booze |
| 08:58:38 | Rick | o.o |
| 08:58:51 | ze | you should buy a guitar amp |
| 08:58:59 | ze | instead |
| 08:58:59 | ze | :p |
| 08:59:26 | axion_ | buy a life while you're there :p |
| 08:59:48 | ze | axion_: pff, like anybody needs that |
| 08:59:53 | ze | axion_: a guitar amp would be much better |
| 09:00 |
| 09:01:27 | axion_ | amps are cool yes |
| 09:02:02 | B4gder | and there's only one guitar amp for us |
| 09:02:03 | B4gder | http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Marshall/PR/RockBox.html |
| 09:02:11 | B4gder | :-P |
| 09:02:11 | axion_ | only if you know how to play though...then they arent |
| 09:02:29 | ze | axion_: nonsense |
| 09:02:44 | ze | axion_: if you listen to any music with electric guitar in it |
| 09:02:56 | ze | axion_: you're most likely enjoying an amp as much as you are the guitar and the performer |
| 09:02:58 | twisted` | bbl |
| 09:03:12 | ze | B4gder: haha oh yeah i saw that the other day |
| 09:03:40 | axion_ | i listen to music i like. if they dont know how to play its a completely different story...called a headache. every day when i lived with this room mate |
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| 09:04:02 | axion_ | i mean unplug the fucking amp if you cant play |
| 09:04:05 | ze | heh |
| 09:04:30 | ze | right, well |
| 09:04:44 | ze | lots of nice recordings are done of people who know how to play |
| 09:04:45 | ze | heh |
| 09:05:01 | ze | and most of them are done by mic'ing the amp |
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| 09:10:36 | sharpe | ugh |
| 09:12:05 | sharpe | screw it, i'll work on it when i wake up. |
| 09:12:31 | sharpe | 'night everyone. |
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| 09:28:52 | Saranomaly | hey, I'm new to rockbox and I'm having a somewhat frustrating problem with it... would this be the place to ask for help? |
| 09:29:14 | B4gder | sure! |
| 09:29:22 | Saranomaly | wonderful :) |
| 09:30:17 | Saranomaly | I'm running it on a 4g iPod, and it installed okay, but when I play songs under any conditions they always skip like I'm using a cheap CD player or something |
| 09:31:17 | Saranomaly | I'll get 20- or 30-second chunks of music followed by a 1-second gap before it resumes play again |
| 09:31:33 | petur | got any of these active: EQ, crossfeed, WPS peakmeters? |
| 09:32:17 | Saranomaly | I haven't changed anything yet, just trying to test it out... let me check |
| 09:33:34 | Saranomaly | Crossfade and EQ are off, where do I find the settings for WPS peakmeters? |
| 09:34:01 | petur | it's not a setting |
| 09:34:19 | Saranomaly | well, then where do I see whether or not I have it enabled? |
| 09:34:19 | petur | does the WPS (while playing screen) got peakmeters? |
| 09:34:30 | Saranomaly | yep |
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| 09:34:44 | petur | can you try one without? |
| 09:34:58 | Saranomaly | where would I change that? |
| 09:35:39 | petur | settings -> browse themes |
| 09:35:46 | Saranomaly | ah, okay |
| 09:36:21 | Saranomaly | sorry for asking dumb questions like that, I really haven't learned my way around it very well yet |
| 09:36:37 | petur | np |
| 09:37:17 | petur | it seems to me, form all reports about skipping, that it's always the peakmeters who do it... |
| 09:37:45 | Saranomaly | ah, it sounds to be working perfectly now, thanks so much :) |
| 09:39:37 | petur | Saranomaly: ipod support is still very much beta, will get better as time passes ;) |
| 09:40:54 | crwl | couldn't the ipod default wps just not have peakmeters in the meantime? |
| 09:41:19 | petur | that would be a good idea |
| 09:41:31 | Bg3r | hey, petur :) |
| 09:41:39 | petur | howdy |
| 09:41:42 | Saranomaly | excellent... I was about to sell my ipod before a friend told me about rockbox because I was missing the features my old creative zen nx had, but it seems that everything I missed is here |
| 09:41:44 | Bg3r | i see there is a progress with the isp1362 |
| 09:42:05 | petur | not enough |
| 09:42:11 | Bg3r | but there is! |
| 09:42:33 | Bg3r | so, u've got some kind of response from the chip ? |
| 09:42:50 | petur | the bloody chip still doesn't answer, but I've got some init code that I want to get into the bootloader |
| 09:43:39 | petur | I hope Linus has some time today to try it (I'm not comfortable with flashing my player with my own bootloader) |
| 09:44:29 | Bg3r | petur ah :) |
| 09:44:48 | Bg3r | i was a bit surprised when i saw the changes in the bootloader:) |
| 09:45:16 | petur | I've seen that iriver configures the chip to wake up on CS. The datasheet doesn't say you have to, but I figure you have to at power up or it won't respond |
| 09:45:28 | petur | the isp1362 can be woken up by CS and/or hardware pins |
| 09:45:46 | petur | and I didn't find the hardware pins |
| 09:46:08 | petur | so yes, some progress :) |
| 09:46:49 | Bg3r | :) |
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| 09:53:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 09:56:11 | markun | Hotfusion: I'd say the gigabeat is a nice player, but lacks rockbox :) |
| 09:57:22 | linuxstb | Big iPod news: http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/20/portalplayer/index.php - Apple are not using PortalPlayer chips in their next iPod. |
| 09:58:24 | crwl | perhaps they'll begin using something that's documented? ;) |
| 09:58:45 | petur | some obscure and even less documented dsp? |
| 09:58:51 | linuxstb | Very unlikely... My guess would be Broadcom. |
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| 10:00:00 | B4gder | "the stock plummeted 41.88 percent" |
| 10:00:03 | petur | seems pp got punished for having only one big customer |
| 10:00:16 | petur | (90% !!!) |
| 10:00:46 | petur | for sale: portalplayer production plant |
| 10:01:30 | B4gder | :-] |
| 10:02:02 | B4gder | for us I'd guess it is bad news |
| 10:02:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | No iPod 6G support for a while. |
| 10:02:30 | B4gder | or let's say it opens the opportunity for brand new reverse engineering |
| 10:02:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | But then all the rumors floating around about it portray it as probably being a pretty video-heavy device, which is at the moment kinda out of the scope of this project anyway. |
| 10:03:12 | B4gder | yeps |
| 10:03:36 | crwl | when new iPods are supposed to be released? |
| 10:03:38 | petur | maybe rb/ipl made them switch to another controller to make our life hard? :P |
| 10:03:51 | Bg3r | :D |
| 10:03:56 | crwl | hehe |
| 10:04:00 | Bg3r | petur haha that comed to my mind too :) |
| 10:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can just see that meeting. "Sorry <portalplayer sales rep.> We've decided that various online open source projects found your chips too easy to reverse engineer, and have decided to move on to a more obfuscated architecture." |
| 10:04:54 | B4gder | "But please give us a call when you have a totally new family of obfuscated cpus we can use in the future" |
| 10:04:54 | petur | hahaha |
| 10:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | When the next generation is opened up, you will find that all chips have no brand-identification markings at all. |
| 10:05:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just the numbers 1-x for lookup on a table somewhere internally at Apple |
| 10:05:42 | crwl | rockbox is probably not a good thing for Apple - it makes iPods much more less dependant on other Apple technologies (AAC, iTunes)... |
| 10:07:07 | B4gder | perhaps, but there are many million ipods and only a very small fraction of those use and will ever use Rockbox |
| 10:07:23 | crwl | yes |
| 10:08:05 | crwl | OTOH I can't see why a smaller manufacturer like Cowon with their iAudios would care - except that it might get slightly more difficult for them to sell their newest player if a rockboxed X5 or something else is good enough :) |
| 10:09:04 | B4gder | I don't see how Rockbox hampers their sales |
| 10:09:23 | B4gder | on the contrary, they can get an updated firmware without doing anything on their own |
| 10:09:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think all Rockbox could do is slow the "upgrade" market a bit. |
| 10:09:33 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:09:52 | B4gder | it prolongs life of older units, which might not be what companies want |
| 10:10:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | "might not?" |
| 10:10:17 | B4gder | well, they of course want to sell new units |
| 10:10:26 | B4gder | but they still want a good name and a good rep |
| 10:10:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though iRiver seems to have dropped entirely out of the large-capacity player market |
| 10:10:32 | linuxstb | I wonder what percentage of Rockbox-on-ipod users bought their ipods specifically for Rockbox. |
| 10:10:40 | * | Galois raises hand |
| 10:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think that's going to be the question of my first poll ever in the forum. I'm kinda curious too |
| 10:12:11 | linuxstb | It's probably worth including IPL in that poll - maybe some users bought it because of IPL. |
| 10:12:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
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| 10:12:36 | linuxstb | Just to get the numbers up :) |
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| 10:12:41 | crwl | what percentage of, say, iRiver h100 series users you think use rockbox? or would use if they knew about it? |
| 10:12:50 | sharpe` | :) |
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| 10:13:20 | linuxstb | The Rockbox forums at misticriver are very busy - so it's probably a fairly high proportion of misticriver users. |
| 10:13:24 | Bg3r | otoh, posting such poll in forum like misticriver's one isn't representative ... |
| 10:13:28 | B4gder | the shear fact they void their warranty will keep the masses away, no matter what Rockbox does |
| 10:13:33 | crwl | but then again, the default firmware really sucks except for someone with very little needs |
| 10:13:42 | Bg3r | B4gder i doubt it ... |
| 10:13:44 | linuxstb | There was a poll at ilounge.com, and I think about 25% of ilounge users use Rockbox. |
| 10:14:04 | crwl | as if anyone with a H100 still had warranty left anyway :) |
| 10:14:21 | B4gder | I wonder how the number comparison is IPL vs Rockbox |
| 10:14:22 | Bg3r | linuxstb i think this % will raise with better arm codec efficiency (and use of the other core) |
| 10:14:31 | Galois | the problem is that companies often are stupid and pursue utterly idiotic policies. |
| 10:14:39 | B4gder | crwl: hah, true |
| 10:14:58 | Galois | for example, copy-protected CDs, everyone except the music execs knows that they hurt sales |
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| 10:15:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3738.0 |
| 10:16:43 | linuxstb | Here's that ilounge poll: http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154141 - 15 out of 62 voters use Rockbox (24.19%) |
| 10:16:54 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd i think posting it on the rockbox.org forum is even less representative ... |
| 10:17:21 | Bg3r | post it on the apple forum :D (if there is one :D) |
| 10:17:23 | sharpe | it's not as if he's asking how many people that visit the rockbox forums, use rockbox... |
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| 10:17:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: The idea is "What percentage of _Rockbox users_ bought the iPod to use Rockbox on. Where else would you look to specifically poll those using our software? |
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| 10:18:15 | linuxstb | Can I vote twice as I have two ipods? |
| 10:18:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 10:18:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think there's an option to allow multiple votes. =/ |
| 10:18:45 | linuxstb | :) |
| 10:19:06 | linuxstb | In fact, I've bought every MP3 I own because of Rockbox... |
| 10:19:11 | linuxstb | ^MP3 player |
| 10:19:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I bought my H120 because of Rockbox, accidentally |
| 10:19:42 | Bg3r | i bought h340 because of the future rockbox port ... |
| 10:19:51 | linuxstb | All of them in advance of Rockbox actually doing anything useful (starting with an Archos Recorder v1) |
| 10:20:01 | crwl | I bought my H120 because it was perhaps the only Vorbis-playing HD player then |
| 10:20:13 | crwl | and it had great hardware specs |
| 10:20:25 | crwl | too bad the firmware sucked, but it was usable for what I bought it |
| 10:20:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd read about both Rockbox (though I only remembered it as "An open source firmware for MP3 players"), and had read that a future iRiver player would have an open source firmware (the "linux" based PMP), and somehow while at the store those ideas got confused into the H120 being able to use an open source firmware. Of course it wasn't when I first bought it, but it had the features I wanted natively anyway. |
| 10:20:50 | petur | I bought my h340, got pissed by the firmware and started looking around |
| 10:20:59 | crwl | and about an year after that (summer 2005), rockbox was starting to get quite usable on the player |
| 10:21:03 | Bg3r | crwl btw (out of curiosity) are you using the standard oggenc ? |
| 10:21:29 | linuxstb | I love this "tutorial": http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3719.0 |
| 10:22:02 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:22:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I just didn't have the heart to say anything about it directly. |
| 10:22:20 | crwl | Bg3r, the aotuv one... and I would probably use that Lancer encoder, but last time I checked, I couldn't get it to compile under Linux |
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| 10:23:24 | jumpfroggy | fun |
| 10:23:36 | Bg3r | crwl i'm asking because from what i've heard/read, the standard xiph.org's oggenc isn't better than lame at all ... |
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| 10:24:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: I thought the standard xiph.org one eventually ended up incorporating a lot of the AuToV changes eventually anyway |
| 10:24:25 | Galois | it's still better in the 48-64k range |
| 10:24:31 | crwl | Bg3r, almost anything newer is better than mp3 at sub-128 kbps bitrates, I'd say |
| 10:24:38 | Galois | but, of course, most of aotuv's improvements are in that range |
| 10:24:41 | crwl | but lame is *really* good, but it also has a *long* optimization history behind it |
| 10:24:48 | twisted` | Galois: thanks for the iPod fix btw |
| 10:24:54 | Galois | xiph libvorbis is almost the same as aotuv beta2 |
| 10:24:58 | crwl | Paul_The_Nerd, yes, that's true, a lot of stuff was incoroporated at (I think) vorbis 1.1 |
| 10:25:04 | Bg3r | crwl i'm talking about the higher bitrates |
| 10:25:17 | crwl | Bg3r, that might be true, I don't hear the difference anyway |
| 10:25:36 | Bg3r | or maybe i've read some really oold threads ... |
| 10:26:01 | Galois | xiph.org libvorbis is "imperfect" at the high bitrates if you believe the people with the golden ears |
| 10:26:02 | crwl | on the computer I encode to FLAC and from there I transcode to -q4 vorbis for portable use |
| 10:26:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It eventually just becomes a question of "Which hits transparency at the lowest bitrate, and/or has the least artifacts." And if you have the space for all your music at a moderate-to-high bitrate anyway, then the difference is academic other than artifacts, no? |
| 10:26:06 | Galois | which is pretty believable, I might add |
| 10:26:14 | linuxstb | Is there any concensus on the best lossy codec for high bitrates - 256kbps or higher? |
| 10:26:20 | crwl | (it's very simple to transcode from FLAC to Vorbis, oggenc supports FLAC input and copies the tags too, they're a natural pairing) |
| 10:26:37 | crwl | linuxstb, that would probably be MP3/Vorbis/AAC/MPC, whatever floats your boat |
| 10:26:37 | Galois | paul_the_nerd: the problem arises when the encoder has faults that are audible at any bitrate |
| 10:26:47 | Bg3r | crwl yeah, i've used this combo soon and was impressed by it :) |
| 10:26:50 | linuxstb | crwl: Very helpful :) |
| 10:27:01 | linuxstb | So you're saying there's probably no difference? |
| 10:27:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Well yeah. I personally would qualify that as an artifact. |
| 10:27:16 | crwl | linuxstb, I guess that, generally, nobody can tell the difference except with some isolated problem samples |
| 10:27:34 | Galois | linuxstb, on most music all of MP3/Vorbis/AAC/MPC hit transparency at 135k |
| 10:27:49 | crwl | when using a good encoder, that is |
| 10:27:54 | Galois | aotuv is slightly better than the others, but it's not statistically significant |
| 10:28:01 | twisted` | what do you mean with "hit transparancy" ? |
| 10:28:09 | Galois | 5 on the scale |
| 10:28:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: "Transparency" is the point at which *most* people can't hear the difference between it and the original CD in a blind test. |
| 10:28:29 | Galois | it means a trained listener cannot distinguish between the lossy sample and the original better than 50-50 |
| 10:28:34 | crwl | I haven't been able to ABX lame −−preset standard (that reaches about 170-220 kbps VBR) or vorbis at -q5 (~160 kbps VBR) |
| 10:28:46 | twisted` | ahh |
| 10:28:49 | crwl | with "normal" music, that is |
| 10:28:51 | twisted` | also depends very on the music |
| 10:29:00 | Bg3r | crwl normal as ? |
| 10:29:23 | Galois | normal means not castanets, fatboy slim, and so on |
| 10:29:30 | crwl | yes, that's what I meant |
| 10:29:32 | twisted` | I mean, anything above 192 is just... pointless for most metal anyways |
| 10:29:38 | Galois | stuff like classical, techno, rock is normal |
| 10:29:54 | crwl | just some music from some CD, not known problem samples |
| 10:29:56 | twisted` | but a complete symphony, well then you can indeed lose tones... |
| 10:30:25 | twisted` | but imo, flac is overrated |
| 10:30:37 | crwl | all the years when I've been encoding with decent encoders and reasonable bitrates, I've hit a real sound quality problem only once and on one single song |
| 10:30:40 | preglow | lose tones??? sounds dubious... |
| 10:30:48 | twisted` | the whole "omg I can convert it back and it got the crc as the wav! w00t |
| 10:30:54 | twisted` | just... sickens me :P |
| 10:31:18 | crwl | and that was an old LAME bug, it didn't allocate enough bits for the very first samples of the song in VBR mode, and it had this loud distorted guitar noise right at the beginning |
| 10:31:38 | twisted` | preglow: I noticed a significant difference between a symphony by Beethoven encoded in 192 and 320 |
| 10:32:19 | Bg3r | twisted` maybe u just should use VBR ... |
| 10:32:32 | twisted` | Bg3r: considered it, but I never did it for the space :) |
| 10:32:42 | twisted` | on my iPod I am considerin to re-encode everything so it's smaller |
| 10:32:48 | preglow | sure, difference, but you don't lose whole tones |
| 10:32:53 | twisted` | cus I could easily fit 1.5-2x the ammount of music |
| 10:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: I don't understand why lossy encoding is overrated. If you want an actual *backup* of your music, isn't it ideal for it to both be playable, *and* smaller than the original? |
| 10:33:01 | Galois | if space is a concern then vorbis aotuv is the obvious choice |
| 10:33:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lossless, not lossy |
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| 10:33:22 | petur | for me it's either have all my music with me (30GB of 320kbps vbr mp3) or only part of it (any lossless codec), so flac would be a step back |
| 10:33:47 | * | preglow hates recording |
| 10:33:49 | Mikachu | if it's 320kbps average it's not vbr :) |
| 10:33:56 | crwl | I have 20GB of ~128 kbps VBR vorbis, and I could probably go lower than that if I really ran out of disk space |
| 10:34:06 | preglow | LinusN: i just can't make spdif monitoring work |
| 10:34:30 | LinusN | too bad |
| 10:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I still don't get people who only use rockbox for *some* of their music. |
| 10:34:38 | preglow | but it has to be something i'm doing wrong |
| 10:34:41 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: if you want a backup, just use WAV's... but... that's just my opinion |
| 10:34:45 | preglow | i've even found a 44.1khz source now |
| 10:34:49 | crwl | twisted`, using WAVs is just stupid :P |
| 10:34:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Why use WAVs though? They're bigger. You can fit less. |
| 10:35:10 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: I never noticed the difference myself between FLAC and Mp3 320kbps... so the choice for me was obvious |
| 10:35:15 | crwl | and they don't have a standardized tagging system.. |
| 10:35:28 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah but why would you use a *backup* on your portable player? |
| 10:35:43 | twisted` | a backup is something you put on your harddisk, tape, etc |
| 10:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Who said anything about using it on a portable. You said the format was overrated. Its purpose is primarily backup, so I asked about using it for its purpose |
| 10:36:01 | Galois | there's one easy way to tell the difference between FLAC and mp3 320kbps. It doesn't involve listening. |
| 10:36:33 | Galois | reencode both with a lossy codec. The mp3 sounds noticeably worse. |
| 10:36:33 | preglow | LinusN: oh, and btw, what is the wsi input of the uda connected to on the coldfire? |
| 10:36:38 | LinusN | preglow: silence or garbage? |
| 10:36:43 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: the reason I find it overrated is because diskspace costs nothin these days... just burn the wav's... but thats just my opinion |
| 10:36:43 | preglow | LinusN: silence |
| 10:36:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: It doesn't cost *literally* nothing though. It's just cheap. |
| 10:37:22 | B4gder | and again, wavs don't have tags |
| 10:37:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: A 30% larger HD (the difference between flacs and wavs on a decent average) can cost as much as a couple hundred bucks. |
| 10:37:34 | twisted` | I mean I remember the days when 20mb was a LOT |
| 10:38:02 | LinusN | preglow: it is connected to lrck2 according to my schematics |
| 10:38:15 | preglow | so we can use it for recording at several sampling rates |
| 10:38:24 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: then don't buy a 500gb but 2 250gb's |
| 10:38:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: It still costs more than a 250 and a 160. |
| 10:38:52 | LinusN | preglow: sure, but it is the coldfire that generates the clock |
| 10:38:54 | twisted` | I mean sure it's nice that it can be smaller |
| 10:39:06 | preglow | LinusN: i just assumed it could be configured |
| 10:39:34 | twisted` | but what annoys me the most about FLAC |
| 10:39:49 | twisted` | is thatn on communities where they share music... theso nazi about it |
| 10:40:03 | Galois | twisted` is on crack. Hard disks are not the right thing to measure if you're talking about backup. |
| 10:40:13 | twisted` | "bitch bitch, it's not flac, I cannot turn it back into wav, we don't accept this" |
| 10:40:18 | twisted` | you want your fuckin music or not, bastard |
| 10:40:40 | Mikachu | so now flac is bad because people are idiots? |
| 10:40:40 | crwl | hey, "music sharing communities" are made up of idiots |
| 10:40:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Well, A) You're discussing mostly illegal activities, and B) Some people prefer to have an actual duplicate of the original. |
| 10:40:43 | Galois | the right thing to measure is DVD-R, because most people these days use DVD for backup. And with DVD-R backups, the cost of backup is not measured by the cost of media. |
| 10:40:58 | crwl | the same people used bladeenc in the 2000's |
| 10:41:05 | Mikachu | Galois: it's not? |
| 10:41:08 | Galois | nope |
| 10:41:11 | Mikachu | by what then? |
| 10:41:17 | crwl | and "true stereo 192 kbps MP3" after that, because "joint stereo destroys the music" |
| 10:41:19 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: an actual duplicate of the original is a copy of a cd, NOT a digital backup on your computer... IF that would be the case, make an ISO |
| 10:41:22 | Galois | for most gainfully employed people, it costs more IN TIME to sit there and burn the DVD than the blank DVD costs |
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| 10:41:44 | Galois | also any serious backup solution requires long term storage cases, and believe me, those cost more than the media |
| 10:41:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: A flac + cue can create the same duplicate as an ISO, plus be playable without mounting |
| 10:41:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: And you can even embed the cue in the tags |
| 10:42:19 | Mikachu | twisted`: i'd say you're losing this one ;) |
| 10:42:26 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: .iso is very playable |
| 10:42:27 | B4gder | big time |
| 10:42:28 | preglow | i'd say you're all bitching about preferences anyway |
| 10:42:32 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: mplayer can read it out directly |
| 10:42:34 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: so can xmms |
| 10:42:40 | petur | my CD's are my backup, they're stored safely. I only use the digital version on my HDD's |
| 10:43:14 | crwl | I've had *two* strange cases of CD's seemingly self-destructing in my CD drawer |
| 10:43:40 | twisted` | crwl: the estimated life-span of a cd is approximately 10 years, after that it just wears off |
| 10:43:41 | Mikachu | i've lost lots of old cd backups because the media died, but it was so old i didn't care about it anymore :) |
| 10:43:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: .iso is also uncompressed. Again, what takes less time to download, 300mb or 500mb? |
| 10:43:52 | crwl | both are Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds albums from the 1990's, no stratches or anything... one or two of the last tracks just don't play anywhere |
| 10:43:54 | twisted` | commercially pressed can last longer, but record labels use cheaper and cheaper media these days |
| 10:44:05 | petur | crwl: if that happens, I'll buy them again, still cheaper than making backups |
| 10:44:07 | twisted` | Paul_The_Nerd: does that even MATTER these days? |
| 10:44:10 | crwl | petur, true |
| 10:44:14 | Mikachu | twisted`: are you saying flac is worse than wav because people don't want mp3s from you? |
| 10:44:20 | Mikachu | ;) |
| 10:44:29 | crwl | I don't have FLACs of those albums because at the time I didn't use it |
| 10:44:39 | twisted` | Mikachu: nope, I'm not sayin that, just the whole hypocrisity of it |
| 10:44:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | twisted`: Yes, it does. You assume that everyone is in your economic position. I have friends who use dialup still. Or capped college connections, which are actually slower than some dialup. |
| 10:44:47 | twisted` | and mainly I think because of my first experience with FLAC |
| 10:44:53 | twisted` | which just made me hate it till the end of time :P |
| 10:44:56 | Mikachu | twisted`: i like my diskspace so much that i usually encode to 100kbps ogg |
| 10:45:19 | crwl | twisted`, and yes, those were of course commercially pressed CD's, not CD-R's or anything - I use CD-R's only for in-car use or something like that :P |
| 10:46:02 | twisted` | it was this live recording, encoded in flac, total size was 450mb... the actual quality of the music was depressing... it was mono and was somewhat close to 96kbps mp3 |
| 10:46:06 | Mikachu | twisted`: why not pad your wavs with 2G of silence too, since it's so cheap? |
| 10:46:27 | Mikachu | twisted`: it wouldn't have been better as uncompressed pcm |
| 10:46:32 | B4gder | "I buy my quality silence as flac" |
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| 10:47:09 | petur | twisted`: the reason it was bad was probably the source of the recording, not flac. |
| 10:47:22 | twisted` | petur: yeah, but then the choice of format is just very wrong |
| 10:47:23 | * | preglow hugs his vinyl |
| 10:48:09 | crwl | I buy my quality pops and scratches as vinyl |
| 10:48:10 | preglow | twisted`: would it have been any better in wav? sounds like something of a moot point to me |
| 10:48:26 | Galois | that argument is unpersuasive. A poor quality recording is precisely the kind that suffers most under lossy compression. |
| 10:48:39 | petur | twisted`: somebody makes a recording, gives it to a friend as LQ mp3, he burns them to CD-AUDIO to listen to in the car, anothe friend likes the recording and rips that cd to flac |
| 10:48:50 | petur | that's how I've seen it happen already |
| 10:49:05 | twisted` | preglow: if you rar or gzip a wav it get's the same compression as flac, so for download it wouldn't matter |
| 10:49:13 | preglow | hell no |
| 10:49:14 | preglow | hah |
| 10:49:15 | Mikachu | no, it won't |
| 10:49:18 | preglow | try gzipping a wav and see |
| 10:49:20 | crwl | when is rockbox going to support gzipped wavs? ;) |
| 10:49:21 | axion_ | twisted`: tapers dont release lossy recordings. they distribute the best quality they possibly can. some venues/bands don't allow soundboard patching |
| 10:50:09 | twisted` | preglow: I did that with those files, and there was no difference in size |
| 10:50:18 | petur | axion_: I pass my recordings on as vbr mp3 (128-320kbps) |
| 10:50:20 | preglow | i find that incredibly hard to believe |
| 10:50:25 | preglow | mainly since i've tried doing it myself |
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| 10:50:39 | B4gder | that seems... not likely |
| 10:50:42 | Galois | preglow, I can believe it. If the original source recording was poor then flac will have a hard time. |
| 10:50:42 | preglow | so unless the wav was a square wave or something... |
| 10:50:57 | Galois | flac works very hard to keep all the pops and scratches intact |
| 10:51:08 | petur | hehe |
| 10:51:20 | preglow | hell |
| 10:51:21 | linuxstb | twisted`: Can you remember what % compression rar/gzip gave you? |
| 10:51:25 | axion_ | petur: i am referring to etree tapers...where all the taper-friendly recordings come from |
| 10:51:28 | preglow | give flac a white noise sample, and i'm sure it'll compress tons better than with gzip |
| 10:51:34 | axion_ | i cant speak for true bootlegs |
| 10:51:49 | twisted` | linuxstb: you mean as opposed to the wav's? |
| 10:52:06 | linuxstb | twisted`: Yes, the size of the WAVs and the size of the .rar |
| 10:52:07 | Galois | preglow: you mean like sox -t raw /vmlinuz -t wav kernel.wav ? |
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| 10:52:49 | LinusN | Galois: the linux kernel is far from white noise |
| 10:53:00 | Galois | fine, /dev/random |
| 10:53:04 | LinusN | better |
| 10:53:04 | twisted` | linuxstb: pff that was like 2 years ago... can't remember the exact ratio but I do remember the size of the flac and gzip were the same |
| 10:53:31 | twisted` | you ever listened to /dev/random?! |
| 10:53:38 | twisted` | it drives you fuckin nuts :P |
| 10:53:38 | preglow | it sounds like angels singing |
| 10:53:52 | twisted` | I mean /dev/null should produce absolute silence afaik |
| 10:54:21 | twisted` | yes is always the same annoyin beep |
| 10:54:46 | Mikachu | i used to have /dev/urandom as my alarm clock |
| 10:54:53 | twisted` | brb |
| 10:55:00 | preglow | no wonder you're thin, then |
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| 10:55:08 | preglow | you've gotta be a nervous wreck |
| 10:55:22 | Mikachu | it's so annoying i used to wake up minutes before it so i didn't have to hear it |
| 10:55:29 | preglow | hahaha |
| 10:55:41 | preglow | i would at the very least need to have it faded in |
| 10:55:44 | LinusN | you should use urandom to set the wakeup time :-) |
| 10:55:47 | preglow | to avoid swallowing the tongue, and all |
| 10:56:04 | crwl | the default alarm sound on my cellphone sounds probably quite a lot like /dev/urandom |
| 10:56:18 | Mikachu | LinusN: haha |
| 10:56:22 | preglow | i did wake myself with foobar2k and the amp volume at full dial, though |
| 10:56:30 | preglow | not exactly as planned, but it did the trick |
| 10:56:48 | Mikachu | i use my music player as wakeup now, with an annoying signal as a backup 15 minutes later |
| 10:57:10 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/slask/sine3.c |
| 10:57:31 | preglow | yeah, i do that too, with my phone being the annoying signal |
| 10:58:39 | preglow | hello aliasing |
| 10:59:02 | Mikachu | it wouldn't be annoying if it was a pure sine :P |
| 10:59:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | My phone fades in if I try to use it as an alarm |
| 10:59:26 | preglow | arpeggio! |
| 10:59:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, I'm used to sleeping through loud and varied noises, so a fade-in makes it nearly impossible for it to work well. =/ |
| 10:59:56 | preglow | Mikachu: this thing just turns into a chip tune |
| 10:59:57 | preglow | haha |
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| 11:00:19 | Mikachu | it's very hard to sleep through even one cycle of that |
| 11:00:59 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: you need one of those alarm clocks donald has in "Mickey's Trailer" |
| 11:01:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I have one advertised as "The loudest digital alarm clock on earth" |
| 11:01:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It works most of the time |
| 11:01:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have gotten complaints from the neighbors in the past though. =/ |
| 11:02:02 | preglow | you need time controlled electrodes |
| 11:02:20 | Mikachu | automated sleepwalking |
| 11:02:40 | preglow | a 500 volt spike in the nuts should do the trick |
| 11:02:51 | petur | who needs an alarm clock if you have a good wife to wakeup next to? :P |
| 11:03:02 | preglow | always waking up smacked into the roof might get annoying, though |
| 11:03:16 | LinusN | preglow: by your wife? :-) |
| 11:03:21 | preglow | exactly! |
| 11:03:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch... |
| 11:04:06 | preglow | LinusN: but yeah, when i set txsource in iisconfig to be ebu1, do you think it'll magically clock the samples out after the ebu clock? :> |
| 11:04:22 | preglow | if not, it's kind of a useless feature, imho |
| 11:04:32 | LinusN | i feel the same |
| 11:04:35 | Mikachu | nice segue |
| 11:04:37 | preglow | since the external ebu clock will almost never be perfectly equal to the internal one |
| 11:04:57 | LinusN | i believe it should work that way |
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| 11:05:43 | preglow | then god knows where i'm messing up |
| 11:06:03 | preglow | lets see if some early lunch smartens me up |
| 11:06:22 | LinusN | that never helps me... |
| 11:06:34 | LinusN | i just can't get any smarter :-) |
| 11:06:45 | muesli__ | lol |
| 11:07:06 | LinusN | i don't know if it's good or bad though |
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| 11:07:41 | Mikachu | preglow: do an iq test before and after |
| 11:08:30 | LinusN | do the same iq test before and after, then you will at least *feel* smarter :-) |
| 11:09:52 | wehn | bugger. battery_bench seems broken in daily 060403. |
| 11:10:03 | wehn | was trying to do before and after tests for H300 optimisations |
| 11:12:47 | wehn | got 8h 26min with 18th Apr CVS, |
| 11:13:15 | wehn | any idea which dates affected by breakage, intro test is there, just no data logs. |
| 11:13:25 | wehn | test -> text |
| 11:14:05 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/battery_bench.c?r1=1.7&r2=1.8 |
| 11:14:32 | B4gder | indicating a lack of number of threads |
| 11:14:43 | B4gder | around that time |
| 11:17:33 | wehn | cheers! i'll try after the 5th. (go charger! go!) |
| 11:18:22 | wehn | and that viewCVS is great! hadn't found it before. |
| 11:18:38 | B4gder | it is certainly a useful tool |
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| 11:38:12 | ravon | Is there a math lib in rockbox? |
| 11:38:59 | linuxstb | No. |
| 11:39:17 | ravon | mkay :( |
| 11:39:32 | ravon | There should be though. It would make porting sound libs so much easier :) |
| 11:39:56 | linuxstb | Isn't the math lib just for floating point? |
| 11:40:04 | ravon | That and a POSIX file I/O layer. |
| 11:40:48 | linuxstb | The file I/O layer is pretty close to POSIX AFAIK. |
| 11:40:56 | ashridah | linuxstb: it also contains log tables and whatnot |
| 11:42:04 | preglow | we don't have a floating point unit |
| 11:42:10 | preglow | the math lib would be of no practical use |
| 11:42:23 | preglow | and we have all the io i can possibly think we'll need |
| 11:42:58 | linuxstb | And codecs shouldn't be doing file I/O anway... |
| 11:43:24 | preglow | ravon: if you're talking about dumb, you should be too busy converting all the floating point math to fixed point math to be wanting math libraries :) |
| 11:43:50 | ravon | preglow: Yeah, for dumb too, but also for other libs. |
| 11:43:57 | ravon | nosefart for example |
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| 11:44:08 | LinusN | ravon: a math lib is useless |
| 11:44:16 | preglow | well, just forget floats altogether |
| 11:44:18 | preglow | we can't use them |
| 11:44:19 | LinusN | it would be far too slow for realtime playback |
| 11:44:19 | linuxstb | If a lib needs libm, then it's using too much floating point... |
| 11:44:36 | preglow | floating point is so incredibly slow for us it's of absolutely no use |
| 11:44:46 | preglow | and i'd count rockbox even linking the float routines as a bug |
| 11:46:55 | ravon | Hmm, probably true. Oh well, I'll continue with this and see how it runs. |
| 11:50:13 | ravon | Maybe nezplug would be a better choice. It's doesn't use floats at all. |
| 11:51:32 | preglow | isn't nosefart the best one, though? |
| 11:51:41 | preglow | i refuse to believe it'll be hard to port it to use ints |
| 11:51:44 | linuxstb | I've just had a very quick look at nosefart, and it doesn't seem to use floats in the important parts of the library. So I wouldn't dismiss it. |
| 11:52:01 | preglow | yeah, exactly |
| 11:52:08 | preglow | i can't imagine where you'd need floats in the emulation part |
| 11:52:17 | preglow | there's not even any filtering going on |
| 11:52:24 | linuxstb | From the changelog (in 2000): "removed all floating point from sound generation" |
| 11:52:25 | ravon | nezplug doesn't even compile in newer gccs :/ |
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| 12:10:37 | petur | lunch |
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| 12:14:02 | preglow | so iis channel 2 is used for playback on h1x0? |
| 12:18:31 | preglow | GHAH |
| 12:18:36 | preglow | i'm such an asshat |
| 12:18:40 | preglow | spdif monitoring works |
| 12:19:42 | LinusN | haha |
| 12:20:55 | preglow | why does pcm_record.c even bother to stop PLAYBACK on iis1config? |
| 12:20:59 | preglow | it's not the playback channel... |
| 12:27:53 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:28:04 | preglow | it obviously doesn't clock correctly |
| 12:28:18 | preglow | 48khz sounds bad |
| 12:28:36 | preglow | typical high freq distortion |
| 12:33:33 | preglow | and that's with iis2 clock selection follow iis1 |
| 12:35:05 | preglow | recorded audio is just fine, monitored audio is not |
| 12:35:08 | preglow | help :/ |
| 12:49:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, 10 votes so far and it's split even. |
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| 12:51:13 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: So 5 out of 50 million ipods have been bought for use with Rockbox? |
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| 12:51:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Indeed. |
| 12:51:48 | Galois | I make six, I'm just not willing to register in a forum solely to vote |
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| 12:52:35 | nudel | 7 :) |
| 12:52:49 | preglow | ok, gotta go |
| 12:52:52 | preglow | back tomorrow |
| 12:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm honestly surprised that so many forum dwellers have voted for "I bought my iPod for Rockbox" considering how often I field the question "How do I make it boot into retail primary?" |
| 12:54:11 | nudel | i'd be more likely to ask "how can i remove that broken waste of space from my HDD?" :-) |
| 12:54:27 | nudel | s/broken/never worked in the first place/ |
| 12:54:56 | Galois | that 80MB boot partition is looking mighty tempting. On a nano it's a fair chunk of space. |
| 12:56:30 | linuxstb | I think that's the difference between Rockbox and IPL. IPL people (both devs and users) generally seem to quite like the Apple firmware :) |
| 12:57:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know HOW you can like that thing. |
| 12:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I guess I know how. |
| 12:57:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it rhymes with "brain damage" |
| 12:57:35 | nudel | :) |
| 12:57:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It took me more time to get used to using the Retail OS when I first got my Nano than it did to switch from the h120's retail to Rockbox. |
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| 13:03:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, it is necessary that I seek out comestibles. Be back later. |
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| 13:03:26 | webguest98 | hi... i'm having problems applying a pacth, i get failing hunks |
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| 13:03:55 | webguest98 | could someone help here please? |
| 13:04:15 | B4gder | then you need to hand edit |
| 13:04:21 | B4gder | or ask for an updated patch |
| 13:04:40 | webguest98 | ask the developer? |
| 13:05:05 | B4gder | well, whoever got you the patch in the first place |
| 13:06:02 | webguest98 | i tried to edit following the instructions i got here yesterday |
| 13:06:51 | webguest98 | i was told i should look for text lines starting with "-" and remove them |
| 13:07:02 | webguest98 | is that all? |
| 13:07:05 | B4gder | no |
| 13:07:13 | B4gder | you need to understand the failuers |
| 13:07:17 | B4gder | and correct them |
| 13:07:32 | B4gder | it _may_ be very simple |
| 13:07:42 | B4gder | but it can also be very tricky |
| 13:08:17 | B4gder | so you need to read the patch and see what changes it wanted to do |
| 13:08:27 | B4gder | and then you make sure you do those changes to the sources by hand instead |
| 13:09:15 | webguest98 | i look for the files where the error happened, and try to make the changes? |
| 13:10:09 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:12:48 | webguest98 | a ".rej" file is kind of a report file? |
| 13:13:05 | B4gder | yes, it shows exactly what change(s) it couldn't apply |
| 13:15:42 | webguest98 | thank you B4gder you enlighted me a little more :), let me take a look... i'm sorry i'm a very newbie :/ |
| 13:15:49 | B4gder | no worries |
| 13:15:52 | B4gder | we've all been there |
| 13:18:18 | webguest98 | :) |
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| 13:19:17 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 13:19:38 | Jungti1234 | is anyone russian? |
| 13:19:53 | B4gder | I think there are millions of them ;-) |
| 13:19:57 | Zagor | i bet a couple of million are, at least |
| 13:20:06 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:20:08 | Zagor | bah, too late |
| 13:20:11 | Bg3r | haha |
| 13:20:13 | B4gder | we're a funny family ;-) |
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| 13:20:20 | Jungti1234 | hahaha :) |
| 13:20:25 | Bg3r | million as a 1E+6 ? |
| 13:20:31 | Jungti1234 | in here |
| 13:20:45 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r: :) |
| 13:20:48 | Zagor | Bg3r: no, 2^20 |
| 13:21:02 | Zagor | *obviously* |
| 13:21:09 | Bg3r | haha |
| 13:22:03 | Jungti1234 | Here russian be? |
| 13:22:22 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 why ? |
| 13:22:43 | Bg3r | maybe some1 who isn't russian can answer to your question too |
| 13:22:52 | Jungti1234 | I'm going to request translation to him(her). |
| 13:23:04 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 translation of ? |
| 13:23:34 | Jungti1234 | http://club.iriver.co.kr/down/freeboard/%C1%A6%B8%F1%20%BE%F8%C0%BD(230).JPG |
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| 13:24:41 | Bg3r | Zagor Russia's population as of Dec. 2005: 142,800,000 |
| 13:24:57 | * | Zagor makes a note |
| 13:25:06 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 13:25:16 | Bg3r | :D |
| 13:26:01 | webguest98 | <B4gder> correct if i'm wrong... the "-"lines in the rej file are copies of lines with errors on the original file, and the "+"lines are the ones we'll be using to replace? |
| 13:26:26 | B4gder | webguest98: the rej file contains the patch that couldn't be applied |
| 13:26:33 | B4gder | where - lines are removed lines and + are added ones |
| 13:27:18 | B4gder | it fails to apply when it can't find the exact line(s) it should replace |
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| 13:28:07 | webguest98 | so it here we have to insert manually? |
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| 13:30:38 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:30:52 | LinusN | but remember, there is often a reason why it fails |
| 13:31:13 | LinusN | and you might have to rewrite parts of the code to make the patch work |
| 13:31:34 | LinusN | basically, you have to know what you're doing |
| 13:33:29 | webguest98 | then i'm not going to get this working!? |
| 13:33:40 | linuxstb | webguest98: Which patch it is? |
| 13:34:05 | webguest98 | the SID patch |
| 13:34:39 | linuxstb | Are you definitely using the latest version? There's been about 2 or 3 versions posted. |
| 13:35:18 | LinusN | webguest98: what does the .rej file contain? |
| 13:35:22 | webguest98 | i think so its the "sid_v1_2.sid" |
| 13:35:50 | webguest98 | long post ahead |
| 13:36:04 | petur | noooo |
| 13:36:09 | * | LinusN ducks |
| 13:36:12 | petur | pastebin.com |
| 13:37:02 | crashd | \o/ because we all love massive pastes into irc :> |
| 13:37:05 | crashd | anywho, luncheon time |
| 13:37:55 | webguest98 | ok with pastebin |
| 13:37:57 | webguest98 | http://pastebin.com/673088 |
| 13:38:38 | Mikachu | you can ignore the first one, and for the second just add the AFMT_SID, line |
| 13:39:39 | webguest98 | but this line |
| 13:39:43 | webguest98 | + AFMT_SID, /* SID File Format */ |
| 13:39:48 | webguest98 | is already there |
| 13:40:16 | linuxstb | Then all is probably OK. Have you tried compiling it? |
| 13:40:49 | webguest98 | i'll try now |
| 13:42:50 | * | petur whispers to LinusN: did you try my patch already? |
| 13:43:03 | LinusN | i'm a very busy man nowadays |
| 13:43:16 | LinusN | btw, what is it supposed to accomplish? |
| 13:43:45 | petur | init the chip at power up time |
| 13:44:45 | webguest98 | a couple of errors when compiling |
| 13:44:51 | petur | and maybe somebody spots some error I made? |
| 13:45:48 | webguest98 | how can i copy the displayed infromation from vmware to paste it in pastebin? |
| 13:47:50 | LinusN | petur: i see that you try to control the 5V to the chip |
| 13:48:22 | LinusN | are you sure that the ENABLE and FUNCTION is setup correctly for the GPIO pins you use? |
| 13:48:38 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 13:49:10 | petur | no... will do that first then :( |
| 13:49:27 | petur | [tonight] |
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| 13:57:12 | petur | LinusN: just a small question, didn't you use the port config values that 'they' used? |
| 13:57:25 | linuxstb | Are there any 60GB ipod 5g/video owners around? |
| 13:58:05 | LinusN | petur: i haven't written any code for the isp, so i haven't set up the port pins |
| 13:58:25 | LinusN | rockbox only sets up the port pins it uses |
| 13:58:26 | petur | right - will check it |
| 13:59:33 | petur | don't tell me you need to configure the GPIO pin for CS3 too? |
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| 14:03:34 | obo | linuxstb: waves |
| 14:03:35 | Jungti1234 | LinusN? |
| 14:03:59 | linuxstb | obo: You have a 60GB 5g? |
| 14:04:02 | obo | yup |
| 14:04:09 | linuxstb | Have you installed IPL? |
| 14:04:27 | obo | yeah, but never use it... |
| 14:04:44 | linuxstb | I'm looking for a copy of an unmodified partition table from a 60GB 5g. Did you back that up before installing IPL? |
| 14:05:06 | linuxstb | It's to help Mac OS X users convert their ipods to FAT32. |
| 14:05:30 | linuxstb | (it's the very first sector on the disk) |
| 14:05:45 | obo | I don't think I did - but I have a colleague here who hasn't installed ipl on his |
| 14:06:00 | obo | when he gets back from lunch I'll see if I can borrow his for a few minutes |
| 14:06:00 | linuxstb | Do you have access to a linux machine, or cygwin? |
| 14:06:12 | obo | dd with a count=1 ?? |
| 14:06:23 | linuxstb | You just need to do (for example) "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-video60gb.bin count=1" |
| 14:06:26 | linuxstb | So yes. |
| 14:06:30 | Mikachu | is bs 512 by default? |
| 14:06:34 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 14:06:51 | Mikachu | you could do head -c 512 /dev/sda > mbr-video60gb.bin too |
| 14:07:01 | obo | okay - want it on the wiki page? |
| 14:07:18 | linuxstb | Yes please - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
| 14:07:37 | obo | I'll tackle him when he walks back in :) |
| 14:07:43 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. |
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| 14:11:23 | petur | btw, I tried vmware yesterday and I'm unable to connect to the share, any ideas? |
| 14:12:02 | webguest98 | try disabling firewal, it was the only i could connect |
| 14:12:42 | petur | hmmm good point. But kerio normally asks me before blocking stuff |
| 14:12:50 | petur | ah no wait |
| 14:12:52 | webguest98 | i about to quit with this patch... any ideas please! |
| 14:13:06 | petur | tried it on a machine without firewall |
| 14:13:11 | petur | :D |
| 14:14:15 | petur | webguest98: what target? maybe somebody has a build with SID ... |
| 14:14:36 | webguest98 | ipod color |
| 14:16:18 | webguest98 | cheched every rej file and respectives, everything seems ok, all the reports of the rej are already patched! |
| 14:18:03 | petur | sorry |
| 14:18:46 | linuxstb | webguest98: I've edited the patch very slightly so that it applies to current CVS cleanly. You could try downloading a clean version of the Rockbox source, and using my modified version of the patch (I'm about to upload it to the patch tracker now) |
| 14:20:12 | linuxstb | Fixed .diff file now uploaded. |
| 14:20:14 | webguest98 | thank you <linuxstb> |
| 14:24:41 | webguest98 | i can't find it :( |
| 14:24:47 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 14:28:35 | linuxstb | webguest98: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5157 |
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| 14:36:10 | obo | linuxstb: done |
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| 14:39:21 | linuxstb | obo: Thanks. I'll let the person who requested it in the forums know. |
| 14:45:12 | webguest98 | <linuxstb> thank you i'll try now :) |
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| 14:50:09 | webguest98 | <linuxstb> when you say i should use a clean source of rockbox... i should download, remove old version and upload to debian? |
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| 14:51:05 | petur | webguest98: get the current cvs version, then apply patch |
| 14:51:40 | linuxstb | webguest98: Yes, the safe thing is to completely delete your existing copy of the source, and start again with a fresh download. |
| 14:54:48 | webguest98 | sorry.. but in "\\debian\homes\rockbox" are folders that then are missing on the rockbox-2.5.tar |
| 14:55:44 | petur | not 2.5, the current cvs version |
| 14:56:21 | webguest98 | here? http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
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| 14:57:27 | petur | yes, or do a cvs download from the folder (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS) |
| 14:58:57 | linuxstb | B4gder: Did you remove the .tar.gz bleeding-edge source download on purpose? Only the .tar.bz2 appears to be there. Also, the daily builds downloads only have the .tar.gz source. |
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| 14:59:20 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r |
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| 15:00:17 | Jungti1234 | what is 'manifacturer'? |
| 15:01:01 | webguest98 | this one yes? |
| 15:01:02 | webguest98 | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 |
| 15:01:07 | linuxstb | He probably meant "manufacturer" - the company which makes something. |
| 15:01:17 | Jungti1234 | aha |
| 15:04:46 | Bg3r | uf, yes |
| 15:05:00 | Bg3r | me and my very "good" english :D |
| 15:05:15 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 15:07:57 | Mikachu | lostlogic: my ipod hasn't shut down even though playback is paused |
| 15:08:05 | Mikachu | lostlogic: auto shutdown is set on 5m |
| 15:10:05 | petur | hmmm... company drink today... 1) me happy to commute with bike 2) bad news for development work tonight :D |
| 15:11:02 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 15:11:20 | Jungti1234 | Chessbox has problem. |
| 15:11:36 | Bg3r | petur :D D |
| 15:11:47 | Jungti1234 | maybe it is bug. |
| 15:13:48 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 what problem? |
| 15:14:21 | Jungti1234 | I have screenshot. wait |
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| 15:26:51 | webguest98 | why can't i log in now using Eterm? |
| 15:27:13 | webguest98 | i need a real password! |
| 15:27:57 | lostlogic | Mikachu: it hates you. |
| 15:28:05 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I assume it's not plugged in? |
| 15:29:36 | petur | webguast98: used anonymous? |
| 15:30:07 | webguest98 | if i use anonymous it doesn't let me "make" |
| 15:30:33 | petur | ? |
| 15:31:29 | webguest98 | i'm trying again with anonymous |
| 15:32:20 | webguest98 | cd rockbox-devel |
| 15:32:26 | webguest98 | sorry |
| 15:32:30 | petur | haha |
| 15:33:49 | webguest98 | doing "../tools/configure" i get a "permission denied" |
| 15:34:29 | petur | webguest98: see wiki page about vmware |
| 15:35:43 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 15:36:25 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#Compiling is even closer |
| 15:43:20 | webguest98 | it worked :) |
| 15:43:41 | webguest98 | "make" now |
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| 16:02:48 | webguest98 | this patch is not working too |
| 16:03:39 | webguest98 | or i can't figure it out |
| 16:04:45 | webguest98 | i'm going on hollidays today could any kind soul upload a compiled rockbox with the sid patch for ipod color, please? |
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| 16:13:27 | linuxstb | webguest98: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox.zip - but test it first if you are planning on relying on it for any length of time... |
| 16:14:16 | webguest98 | thank you :D |
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| 16:19:23 | Kyomi | Alright... dir/tagcache takes ALOT out of the battery |
| 16:19:33 | Kyomi | I barely got through one song and it crapped out |
| 16:19:56 | Kyomi | I was lucky enough to get it back on to take it off and it seems fine now... apart from charging itself o.o |
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| 16:27:31 | Slasheri | Kyomi: Hmm, that doesn't sound normal |
| 16:29:21 | webguest98 | jeesuss chrisss it works!!! amazing, thanks a billion <linuxstb> you done me hoolidays ::D |
| 16:30:48 | Kyomi | So... you think I need a new battery? |
| 16:31:00 | Kyomi | I've had it for maybe... 2 years? |
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| 16:36:49 | Kyomi | My battery is going down a bit faster then it should it goes by like.. -2 almost every minute |
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| 16:57:50 | Jungti1234 | hey Bg3r |
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| 17:00:51 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060421-235859.PNG |
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| 17:00:53 | Jungti1234 | see it |
| 17:01:05 | Jungti1234 | wahahaha |
| 17:02:16 | Jungti1234 | Is it Rockbox's chess rule? :D |
| 17:02:20 | pondlife | lostlogic: I've a bit more info on the situation where crossfade fails if you're interested... |
| 17:02:30 | ravon | phew, only sin() and rand() left now.... then it compiles. |
| 17:02:37 | ravon | Starving :( |
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| 17:13:46 | lostlogic | pondlife: not now −− flyspray or wiki it if you want... |
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| 17:15:19 | pondlife | lostlogic: OK, I've wikied it anyway |
| 17:16:03 | pondlife | lostlogic: feel free to mail me if you have questions, bye |
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| 17:16:52 | Kyomi | Anyone know much about the H320 battery? |
| 17:18:07 | Jungti1234 | why? |
| 17:19:59 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060421-235859.PNG - What should I do about this? |
| 17:20:46 | Kyomi | That.. is awesome |
| 17:20:56 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 17:20:59 | Kyomi | It's the instant win portal |
| 17:21:32 | Kyomi | what in the hell? |
| 17:21:37 | Jungti1234 | It can't move. |
| 17:21:40 | Kyomi | Theres like 8 white knights |
| 17:21:51 | goffa | go PAWNS! |
| 17:21:54 | goffa | :) |
| 17:22:09 | Kyomi | That isn't checkers :P |
| 17:22:19 | Kyomi | Anyway |
| 17:22:23 | Kyomi | The reason I ask about the battery |
| 17:22:32 | Kyomi | Is it because it drains out REALLY fast |
| 17:22:37 | goffa | i realize there are too many, but if you get your pawn to the end, you get to pick your piece |
| 17:22:41 | Kyomi | like -2 every min or so |
| 17:22:45 | goffa | that's what i was referring to |
| 17:22:53 | Kyomi | *displays battery power numerically* |
| 17:23:07 | Kyomi | Ohhh |
| 17:23:09 | Kyomi | lmao |
| 17:23:19 | Kyomi | I've like... completely forgotten most of the rules in chess |
| 17:23:24 | Kyomi | And there it goes |
| 17:23:30 | Kyomi | no more power for me :/ |
| 17:23:36 | Jungti1234 | White horse is 11. :) |
| 17:23:53 | Kyomi | I'd choose queen :P |
| 17:24:00 | Kyomi | get like 11 queens XD |
| 17:24:15 | goffa | most would... |
| 17:24:34 | Jungti1234 | hah |
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| 17:26:03 | amiconn | Bg3r: r u there? |
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| 17:42:27 | amiconn | Any owner of a H300 remote (LCD and/or non-LCD) around? |
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| 17:43:46 | Philip_0729 | yep |
| 17:44:12 | amiconn | Philip_0729: LCD or non-LCD? |
| 17:44:38 | Philip_0729 | H300 LCD |
| 17:44:48 | Philip_0729 | and i have a non lcd one i could dig out.... |
| 17:44:58 | amiconn | Oh, very nice. :) |
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| 17:45:14 | amiconn | Could you test something for me? |
| 17:45:19 | Philip_0729 | yep |
| 17:45:36 | amiconn | I want to improve remote detection + init, but only have the H100 remote myself |
| 17:45:51 | Philip_0729 | ok |
| 17:45:55 | amiconn | Do you have a recent build on your H300? (I presume you have a H300) |
| 17:46:10 | Philip_0729 | fairly recent yes |
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| 17:46:44 | amiconn | You will need a build as of 20-Apr-2006 21:10 UTC or later for the test |
| 17:46:55 | amiconn | (One after my 21:05 commit) |
| 17:47:07 | Philip_0729 | i'll download a bleeding edge.... |
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| 17:50:25 | Slasheri | grr, no rockbox development at this weekend, as my main workstation has broken.. it no longer boots at all |
| 17:51:25 | lostlogic | Slasheri: :( yet another reason Maybe Day is becoming more of a reality :( |
| 17:53:13 | Philip_0729 | ok i have new build |
| 17:53:24 | amiconn | Ok. |
| 17:53:42 | Philip_0729 | my LCD remote is not working at all... :? |
| 17:53:57 | amiconn | Hmm, it should... |
| 17:54:10 | amiconn | Did you plug it after boot? |
| 17:54:57 | Philip_0729 | sorry the contrast setting was changed ..... :) |
| 17:55:01 | amiconn | ah |
| 17:55:12 | amiconn | I ask you to do the following: |
| 17:55:24 | Philip_0729 | but up/down is not working right |
| 17:55:43 | amiconn | It is working right in the wps, but not in the browser |
| 17:55:56 | amiconn | That's a somewhat tricky problem we'll address later |
| 17:56:16 | amiconn | Disconnect the remote. Go to Info->Debug->View I/O Ports |
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| 17:56:56 | Philip_0729 | yep |
| 17:57:00 | amiconn | Tell me the value of ADC_REMOTEDETECT |
| 17:57:09 | Philip_0729 | 80 |
| 17:57:19 | amiconn | okay, same on my H300. |
| 17:57:49 | amiconn | Now plug in the remote _slowly_, and watch both the first digit of GPIO_READ (1st line) and ADC_REMOTEDETECT |
| 17:58:18 | amiconn | GPIO_READ should change from D.... to 9..... first, and a little later ADC_REMOTEDETECT will go up |
| 17:58:27 | amiconn | Do not plug in fully yet |
| 17:58:57 | Philip_0729 | yes |
| 17:59:04 | amiconn | Tell me the raised ADC_REMOTEDETECT value, then plug in fully, and check the value again |
| 17:59:11 | Philip_0729 | BF |
| 17:59:17 | Philip_0729 | then 2c |
| 17:59:26 | amiconn | Okay. |
| 17:59:51 | amiconn | Now disconnect the remote again, switch the remote to hold, and repeat the procedure |
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| 18:00:05 | amiconn | Tell me both the raised and the final value |
| 18:01:32 | Philip_0729 | takes lots of intermitant values in hold and off |
| 18:02:07 | amiconn | Yes, sometimes the elevated value varies a bit. That's not critical |
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| 18:02:38 | Philip_0729 | end value with hold on is 6 b/c |
| 18:02:57 | amiconn | Basically, I want to verify whether the behaviour is the same for the H300 remotes as what I observed with the H100 remote |
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| 18:03:28 | Philip_0729 | Gpio read is same as hold off |
| 18:03:36 | amiconn | Yes |
| 18:03:50 | amiconn | What is the intermittent value (roughly)? |
| 18:04:10 | amiconn | Should be around BF if my theory is right |
| 18:04:25 | fiftyfour123 | *HFS+ supports* |
| 18:04:30 | fiftyfour123 | support** |
| 18:04:41 | Philip_0729 | bf then if a little more 8f |
| 18:04:49 | Philip_0729 | and that is same as hold off |
| 18:05:06 | amiconn | yes, so it's the same behaviour as with the H100 remote |
| 18:05:26 | amiconn | Now if you could check the non-LCD remote as well. |
| 18:05:38 | Philip_0729 | sometimes remotetype at bottom displays type 2 others type 3 |
| 18:05:59 | amiconn | Yes, that's a bug that would be fixed with my changes |
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| 18:06:46 | amiconn | If you check the non-lcd remote, you don't need to check with hold on and off, as hold doesn't matter on that remote |
| 18:07:04 | Philip_0729 | gpio read is same |
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| 18:07:30 | Philip_0729 | remote detect 80 > BF > 8F |
| 18:07:52 | amiconn | Ok, many thanks for the tests :) |
| 18:08:10 | Philip_0729 | also if hold is on goes to BE not Bf |
| 18:11:16 | Philip_0729 | np |
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| 18:24:41 | webguest62 | is there a more recent custom cfg file format spec guide anywhere available? |
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| 18:34:14 | webguest62 | actually the setting name for the browser cache would help too =) |
| 18:37:26 | webguest62 | is it max files in dir? |
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| 19:06:33 | linuxstb | Can any h300 owners confirm this bug? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4752 |
| 19:07:06 | | Part Saranomaly |
| 19:07:26 | linuxstb | Looking at what I think is the relevant code - gui/logo.c:gui_draw_logo() - there is a call to display->clear_display() before the logo is displayed. So I don't understand how the bug can happen. |
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| 19:14:54 | Philip_0729 | i don't get that but the backdrop from the WPS is used and for continuity it should use the backdrop for the menu... |
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| 19:20:50 | stoffel | linuxstb: im running an h300 optimized build from paulh from ~1-2 weeks ago. is that usefull to you? |
| 19:21:51 | stoffel | i don't see the magenta rectangles, but some wps bitmaps are still shown while the usb logo is visible |
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| 19:25:25 | pondlife | linuxstb: H340 owner here, just tried to repro 4752.. |
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| 19:26:00 | pondlife | linuxstb: No display weirdness occured - USB icon was displayed as expected |
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| 19:29:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: No gfx glitches when connecting usb while playing, but then I use neither a graphical wps nor a background bitmap |
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| 19:32:21 | lostlogic | When USB is connected while menu is held, what events are put where? Does it cause a sys_timeout to be issued to all waiters or somethign? |
| 19:33:43 | amiconn | USB power mode fires no events |
| 19:39:01 | lostlogic | I had a bug yesterday in my voice refactor where it would get stuck on the voice codec and never swap back. Until I held menu and plugged USB, then it would switch back and resume operating. The bug basically caused the voice thread to go to sleep on a queue_wait() instead of doing a queue_wait_w_tmo(,,0), so I can't figure out why plugging it in would wake up |
| 19:39:32 | amiconn | That's indeed strange |
| 19:39:51 | amiconn | USB power mode itself does definitely not send any events |
| 19:40:07 | amiconn | Maybe the charging code does send SYS_CHARGER_CONNECTED |
| 19:40:20 | lostlogic | broadcast? that's probably it. |
| 19:40:25 | lostlogic | intriguing. |
| 19:40:33 | linuxstb | Philip_0729: I think you've hit the problem - the WPS backdrop isn't cleared when displaying the USB logo. I also agree with you that the main Rockbox backdrop should be restored. |
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| 19:41:36 | Philip_0729 | especially if that backdrop of your wps has pink rectangles for other pics... |
| 19:42:03 | amiconn | lostlogic: It's the charging code that sends an event in case of USB power, I just checked |
| 19:42:28 | amiconn | if(charger_inserted() || usb_powered()) .... queue_broadcast(SYS_CHARGER_CONNECTED, NULL); ..... |
| 19:43:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: ty, at least now I know why... was making me slightly insane. |
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| 19:56:38 | nudel | I've got some low-bitrate ogg vorbis files that seem to crash rockbox on ipod 5g. Not the latest version of RB though (I was going to wait for the album art patch to coexist nicely with the newer versions before updating). Should I send them to someone? |
| 19:56:57 | nudel | Er, they play fine but if you seek then RB locks up when you release the ffwd/rwnd button. |
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| 19:57:24 | crashd | nudel: might be worth having a chat with lostlogic, he's been overhauling the playback system |
| 19:57:29 | crashd | altho, i think he's afk this weekend |
| 19:57:48 | nudel | okay |
| 19:57:58 | nudel | hmm i should try with a newer firmware really |
| 19:58:00 | crashd | maybe another dev can help |
| 19:58:05 | crashd | well, if you want, send me over one of the ogg's |
| 19:58:05 | nudel | i can always go back to my old one afterwards |
| 19:58:10 | nudel | sure |
| 19:58:11 | amiconn | nudel: Pls try with latest cvs |
| 19:58:12 | crashd | and ill give it a whirl, see if i can recreate the bug |
| 19:58:58 | crashd | you're running on ipod 5g, right? |
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| 19:59:01 | nudel | yeah |
| 19:59:08 | crashd | nice wps btw ;) |
| 19:59:09 | nudel | i'll download the latest cvs now and try it too |
| 19:59:18 | nudel | thanks :) i need to update it and make nano version at some point |
| 19:59:22 | crashd | im on a cvs from this morning, so ill check it out with this first |
| 19:59:27 | crashd | then go for the bleeding edge |
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| 20:01:39 | nudel | i don't know much about how these were created, btw... i think they may have been split from one large ogg file which may explain why seeking is b0rked |
| 20:01:46 | crashd | hmms |
| 20:01:50 | nudel | it's a radio show that i downloaded |
| 20:02:01 | crashd | oh, ok, it might be a file problem then |
| 20:02:03 | crashd | ill check anyway |
| 20:02:25 | nudel | i figure even a bad input shouldn't cause a crash. better to skip the file than require a reboot |
| 20:02:30 | crashd | yeah |
| 20:02:48 | amiconn | Still, rockbox shouldn't lock up with 'bad' files |
| 20:03:58 | * | amiconn is too slow |
| 20:04:52 | lostlogic | are they low bitrate and also low samplerate? |
| 20:04:58 | lostlogic | I'm in town this weekend, AFK next. |
| 20:05:02 | crashd | ahh, sorry dude :> |
| 20:05:05 | lostlogic | ;) |
| 20:05:39 | nudel | they're ~70kbps, 44.1 kHz |
| 20:05:52 | lostlogic | hmm... then I don't have any _known_ issues that would cause problems. |
| 20:06:14 | lostlogic | seeking in non-44.1khz files seems broken, but that's a separate issue |
| 20:06:24 | nudel | probably the worst sounding files i've ever listened to... not only recordedf rom FM radio, but a bad FM radio, at 70kbps |
| 20:06:36 | lostlogic | ha |
| 20:06:49 | crashd | maybe it just hates shitty quality ogg's ;) |
| 20:08:45 | lostlogic | hmph, no portalplayer in next nano version... gee fun... wonder who they'll find who is even more NDA happy. |
| 20:09:04 | crashd | is it going to be a 'nano' or some kind of even smaller flash player? |
| 20:09:14 | amiconn | pico ;) |
| 20:09:16 | nudel | i hope they use the new sigmatel chipset so it's gapless out of the box |
| 20:09:21 | crashd | hehe, well that was the obvious |
| 20:09:45 | nudel | the Apple Nacho (better at scopping cream cheese into your mouth than playing music) |
| 20:09:45 | lostlogic | says nano |
| 20:09:58 | nudel | s/scopping/scooping/ |
| 20:09:59 | linuxstb | lostlogic: The press release from portalplayer says something like "mid-end and high-end ipods". So maybe the Nano will continue with the PP5021. |
| 20:10:25 | lostlogic | "But this week PortalPlayer (PLAY) disclosed that a forthcoming chip won't be showing up in a planned version of Apple's (AAPL) iPod nano." |
| 20:11:12 | linuxstb | Here's the press release: http://www.portalplayer.com/news-and-events/PPI_transition.htm |
| 20:11:24 | linuxstb | "PortalPlayer believes that the PP5021 will continue to be used in other members of the iPod family." |
| 20:13:08 | amiconn | nudel: I'd rather hope it would not use the sigmatel stuff |
| 20:13:18 | lostlogic | interesting. |
| 20:13:51 | linuxstb | nudel: What does the chipset have to do with gapless? |
| 20:13:58 | nudel | new sigmatel chipset sounds good, though they could cripple its features (and undoubtedly will remove USB MS) |
| 20:14:10 | nudel | well, they provide a reference firmware that's gapless |
| 20:14:17 | nudel | apple would have to fuck it up *on purpose* |
| 20:14:23 | nudel | rather than out of laziness |
| 20:15:08 | nudel | doh, i always do a make instea dofa "make zip" |
| 20:15:12 | linuxstb | That's a step forward at least... But is it aimed at high-end MP3 players? |
| 20:15:16 | scottder | silly question...does rockbox support files wil embedded que sheets? |
| 20:15:21 | scottder | cue |
| 20:15:24 | scottder | not que |
| 20:15:33 | linuxstb | scottder: No. And it wouldn't be trivial. |
| 20:15:47 | scottder | Ok....just curious :) |
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| 20:16:34 | nudel | high-end... yeah, well, all mp3 players i guess. it's the first chipset made by the ex-karma people and they say it has all the features that the chroma would've had |
| 20:16:36 | linuxstb | Quite a few people have requested it, but I don't think any developers think it's worthwhile. You can always just split the file and still have gapless playback in Rockbox. |
| 20:17:30 | scottder | Yes, I have a few things that are encoded that way. I'll just use foobar2000 to split it out |
| 20:18:13 | crashd | nudel: so, seekins breaks rb with this ogg yeah? |
| 20:18:46 | nudel | yeah |
| 20:18:56 | scottder | nudel: problem is it's not just the chipset...but how it's implemented |
| 20:19:02 | nudel | i've just built the latest firmware, but someone's abut to come round so i may not test it for a while |
| 20:19:08 | crashd | nudel: you're not wrong |
| 20:19:11 | crashd | breaks for me too |
| 20:19:37 | lostlogic | someone should report that on the SoftwareCodecPlayback wiki page... and fix it. |
| 20:19:49 | nudel | back in a bit, sorry |
| 20:19:58 | crashd | heh |
| 20:20:05 | scottder | Something broken with vorbis files? |
| 20:20:35 | crashd | is there a decent tool to grep info on an ogg file? |
| 20:20:47 | crashd | prolly best if nudel reports it tbh, he has more files that break it than i do ;) |
| 20:21:27 | lostlogic | scottder: low bitrate vorbis files seem to break on seek according to these folks |
| 20:21:42 | scottder | crashd: ogginfo in linux may do it |
| 20:21:51 | scottder | how low bitrate |
| 20:21:56 | lostlogic | 70kbps |
| 20:21:59 | crashd | well, there's something up with the file |
| 20:22:01 | crashd | as it breaks winamp too |
| 20:22:08 | crashd | just had to intervene in a winamp-falling-over |
| 20:22:14 | lostlogic | oh, well if it breaks winamp too, I ain't fixin' it for 3.0 :) |
| 20:22:19 | crashd | hehe |
| 20:22:21 | crashd | ill double check |
| 20:22:29 | crashd | but seeking through it caused winamp to start chowing on resources |
| 20:23:23 | lostlogic | probably has some kind of difficulty finding the correct seek location and start bouncing from one end fo the file to the other, which I can fathom breaking rockbox... |
| 20:23:33 | scottder | was the issue with seeking in large files fixed? |
| 20:23:35 | crashd | how...curious |
| 20:23:40 | lostlogic | scottder: yes |
| 20:23:44 | crashd | winamp crashes with a Macromedia Director error, ive checked it thrice now |
| 20:23:51 | crashd | something is rotten in the state of vorbis |
| 20:23:53 | lostlogic | scottder: unless they are large non-44.1khz file |
| 20:24:09 | scottder | Ahh ok... |
| 20:24:15 | scottder | gotta run will be back later |
| 20:25:55 | Ave | hmm holy shit |
| 20:26:20 | Ave | Apple's decision to not use the PortalPlayer chip in a future version of the iPod nano. From the article: "PortalPlayer stock promptly shed $9.46, or nearly 42% of its value, and more than $220 million in market value |
| 20:27:11 | Ave | was it because of ms vista exclusive future product, or rockbox <g> |
| 20:29:06 | sharpe | hello everyone. |
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| 20:35:31 | amiconn | Hmm, petur isn't around.... there's an obvious bug in the CS3 init.... |
| 20:35:56 | amiconn | ...no wonder the isp1362 doesn't want to talk to him |
| 20:36:39 | amiconn | Hmpf, false alarm |
| 20:36:46 | * | amiconn confused chip selects |
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| 20:44:12 | Myth_ | hi guys |
| 20:44:49 | goffa | hi Myth_ |
| 20:45:34 | Febs | Does anyone know whether the iPod 5G hardware has recording capability? |
| 20:45:46 | * | Febs looks at preglow and linuxstb. |
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| 20:46:34 | crashd | isnt there some contention as to wether it's possible to get the pp in the 5g to record via the headphones, a la 3g? |
| 20:46:44 | crashd | Febs: it probably is possible, but no one's looked into it enough yet |
| 20:48:40 | lostlogic | it definitely has recording capabilities |
| 20:48:46 | lostlogic | probably throgh the headphone port |
| 20:48:47 | linuxstb | IPL doesn't support recording on the 5g, but I'm 99% sure that's just because no-one's attempted to code it yet. |
| 20:48:58 | crashd | hehe, three similar answers : > |
| 20:49:06 | linuxstb | Why do you say it *definitely* has recording capabilities? |
| 20:49:22 | lostlogic | linuxstb: doesn't apple support voice recording on it through the dock? |
| 20:49:36 | linuxstb | Yes, it does... |
| 20:49:58 | lostlogic | well then it definitely has recording capabilities...? |
| 20:49:59 | linuxstb | Griffin are launching a "high quality" recording interface soon. |
| 20:50:19 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Yes. I forgot about the recording accessories... |
| 20:50:52 | lostlogic | :) |
| 20:51:05 | linuxstb | AFAIK, the dock connector should have a stereo line-in, and the left channel of the headphone socket also works as an input. |
| 20:51:27 | linuxstb | I'll probably have a go at recording, but after 3.0 is released. |
| 20:51:35 | crashd | with the recording accessories, then, do they run a part of the retailos that is hitherto unaccessible |
| 20:51:47 | linuxstb | Yes - that's my understanding. |
| 20:51:52 | crashd | ah, same for radio im guessing ? |
| 20:52:13 | crashd | at least, the interface for radio, i guess the actual signal comes from a 'line in' from the unit you purchase |
| 20:52:29 | linuxstb | Possibly. I think the Apple Accessory Protocol allows for "intelligent" accessories - that can take key input from the ipod, and display graphics/text on the LCD. |
| 20:52:44 | crashd | ahh |
| 20:53:39 | linuxstb | Some documentation is here: http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol |
| 20:53:56 | crashd | oh, interesting |
| 20:54:01 | crashd | havent seen this before |
| 20:54:55 | linuxstb | The problem is that (afaik) there is no low-level serial driver available for the remote port on the 4g and later ipods. |
| 20:55:36 | crashd | that'd be a real dog then |
| 20:55:37 | linuxstb | So that will either involve some lucky guesses based on the 3G code, or some disassembly... |
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| 20:56:42 | KlrSpz | just installed rockbox.. if there are any dev's here.. you kick ass |
| 20:57:09 | crashd | heh |
| 20:57:19 | KlrSpz | anyone have any cool voice files? (better than on the site) |
| 20:57:35 | amiconn | linuxstb, lostlogic: Is the retailos on the firmware partition encrypted? If so, is the encryption known? |
| 20:58:03 | linuxstb | No, it's not encrypted. There's a simple checksum which is added by ipod_fw.c |
| 20:58:35 | crashd | it's the bootloader that's encrypted on the ipods innit? |
| 20:58:46 | Mikachu | the one in flash? |
| 20:58:52 | lostlogic | the radio is different from recording, afaik, it simply draws power from the host ipod and does everything else internally. |
| 20:58:57 | linuxstb | Yes - but only on disk. The version that's flashed isn't... |
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| 20:59:03 | crashd | yeah |
| 20:59:06 | crashd | that's what i mean |
| 20:59:15 | crashd | but the encryption on that has alreayd been..uh..circumvented |
| 20:59:16 | Mikachu | amiconn claims reading the flash shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:59:57 | obo | has anyone tried setting MEMORYSIZE to 64 before? |
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| 21:00:00 | amiconn | Indeed not, provided the mapping is known. preglow? |
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| 21:01:07 | linuxstb | A simple write(fd,0x0,1024*1024) in the bootloader seemed to work fine for me. |
| 21:01:25 | Febs | Linuxstb, thanks for the info. I am 95% sure that I'll be buying a 5G. Recording is not a critical feature because I still have my H120, but it's nice to know that the potential is there. |
| 21:01:55 | linuxstb | (it has to be done in the bootloader, because Rockbox remaps main memory to 0x0) |
| 21:02:04 | lostlogic | Febs: 5g is a nice player, but a button combination nightmare :-P |
| 21:02:26 | linuxstb | I blame Rockbox for having too many features... |
| 21:02:30 | lostlogic | lol |
| 21:02:54 | crashd | the only problem with the 5g is that the lcd is just too big |
| 21:02:59 | crashd | in my experience, anyway |
| 21:03:14 | crashd | but, any of the performance loss due to that will get ironed out, in time, i guess |
| 21:03:15 | linuxstb | You could create a build that only uses 1/4 of it... |
| 21:03:25 | crashd | heh |
| 21:03:29 | crashd | well, yeah, but that'd be stupid ;) |
| 21:03:29 | obo | hmmm, 63075616 byte codec buffer... |
| 21:03:39 | lostlogic | hmm... yeah, wouldn't even be that hard... treat it like a nano screen basically |
| 21:03:40 | linuxstb | obo: Is it working? |
| 21:03:50 | obo | nope, codec failure on all tracks |
| 21:04:25 | obo | pcmbuffer never starts to fill |
| 21:04:28 | linuxstb | You will have to make sure the codecs are being linked at the correct address (512KB before the end of RAM I think). Same for plugins. |
| 21:04:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: Where is the flashrom remapped to in main rockbox? |
| 21:04:35 | lostlogic | weird. all of the filebuf code is mapped relative to start and end pointers for the audiobuf |
| 21:04:42 | lostlogic | ah, yes. |
| 21:04:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't think it is. |
| 21:05:04 | amiconn | oh? |
| 21:05:06 | linuxstb | i.e. the flash is inaccessible after Rockbox starts. |
| 21:05:17 | Mikachu | that's probably a good idea |
| 21:05:19 | obo | linuxstb: any pointers where I should look? |
| 21:05:19 | Mikachu | just in case |
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| 21:05:45 | linuxstb | obo: Look at the .lds files. But they should all be based on MEMORYSIZE, rather than hard-coded. |
| 21:06:10 | linuxstb | apps/plugins/plugin.lds and firmware/app.lds |
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| 21:06:31 | Myth_ | btw: A serious question: How is the progress on the DUMB-Player? I'm asking because I could do a simple mod player within a few hours and wonder if its worth the time. |
| 21:06:56 | crashd | Myth_: afaik, it hasnt been touched since it was commited to CVS, although there was some chatter earlier about a nes sound player |
| 21:06:58 | linuxstb | obo: There is some memory remapping code, and it's possible that that isn't remapping the whole 64MB. |
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| 21:07:32 | obo | okay, I'll have a play |
| 21:08:01 | linuxstb | Myth_: I think a couple of people have been looking at in during the last few days. The problem was the heavy use of floats - I don't know how much progress has been made. |
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| 21:08:18 | linuxstb | But if you could write a small and efficient mod player, that would seem very desirable. |
| 21:08:23 | Myth_ | ok, so someone is working on it |
| 21:08:35 | linuxstb | I think it was ravon and HCl |
| 21:08:48 | crashd | Myth_: personally, id love you forever if you wrote a mod player that worked ;) |
| 21:08:51 | Myth_ | my mod player is small and efficient, I'm just afraid I'll release it and it goes into nirvana because of the dumb-player ;) |
| 21:08:53 | crashd | but, if it's a waste of time, then obviously |
| 21:09:12 | crashd | well, it may turn out to be more effecient than the one in dumb |
| 21:09:16 | ravon | "working". Tested it and came to the conclusion that it's slow as an emu |
| 21:09:18 | linuxstb | Myth_: Do you know how it compares to dumb? |
| 21:09:28 | Mikachu | ravon: emu the bird? |
| 21:09:50 | Myth_ | its just a mod player, no it, s3m and xm (though I could do xm, too). |
| 21:09:52 | ravon | Mikachu: Emu the savanna buffalo :) |
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| 21:10:09 | ravon | Myth_: Anything is better than nothing :) |
| 21:10:12 | Mikachu | not as in emulator |
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| 21:10:20 | Myth_ | btw: Can I use malloc() to allocate buffer within a codec? |
| 21:10:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think the flash doesn't contain the whole retailos. Retailos is too big for that |
| 21:10:50 | amiconn | But the apple flash bootloader has to contain the load-and-decyrpt routine... |
| 21:11:04 | linuxstb | There's a separate bootloader/diagnostics mode - that's in flash. Retailos is only on disk, and then loaded into RAM. |
| 21:11:22 | ravon | hurrah, got nosefart to load the nsf file and show the song title. |
| 21:11:59 | crashd | \o/ |
| 21:12:05 | ravon | They really didn't spoil us with documentation on that one :/ |
| 21:12:41 | Mikachu | how do/will you tell the codec what subsong to play? |
| 21:13:02 | ravon | Plugin, I guess. |
| 21:13:28 | ravon | If it'll ever produce sound, that is. |
| 21:14:03 | Mikachu | hm okay |
| 21:15:15 | obo | linuxstb: the .lds files under the build-dir are adjusted to 64 - and the other .lds files contain MEMORYSIZE |
| 21:15:37 | Mikachu | "i'm sorry about my friend, he had too much lds back in the sixties" |
| 21:16:32 | linuxstb | obo: Look at your rockbox.map file, and also the apps/codecs/*.map files - do they show the correct 64MB-based addresses? |
| 21:17:41 | KlrSpz | hey guys, i just hooked my ipod up, disconnected, and now when it boots into rockbox it says "cleared" and just sits there, won't let me do anything.. any ideas on what to check? |
| 21:17:52 | Mikachu | KlrSpz: your hold switch is on |
| 21:18:00 | KlrSpz | oh shit |
| 21:18:01 | KlrSpz | i feel dumb |
| 21:18:05 | Mikachu | :P |
| 21:18:10 | Mikachu | don't worry, we've all been there |
| 21:18:16 | KlrSpz | aww man, so config is dead too i suppose.. oh well |
| 21:18:28 | Mikachu | if you menu+select reboot it may restore |
| 21:18:45 | KlrSpz | ahh, instead of letting it write the config out |
| 21:18:47 | KlrSpz | yeah, that did it |
| 21:18:47 | KlrSpz | you rock |
| 21:18:53 | KlrSpz | this OS is awesome |
| 21:19:03 | Mikachu | also, Manage config -> write .cfg == good idea |
| 21:20:30 | KlrSpz | how do you backspace on the nanopod? i was looking through the wiki but wasn't finding it |
| 21:20:47 | obo | linuxstb: DRAM length is set to 3F00000 (63Mb), that is also the Origin value for PLUGIN_RAM |
| 21:21:01 | Mikachu | KlrSpz: in the vkeyboard? |
| 21:21:11 | Mikachu | KlrSpz: go to the input line and press select (ie, anywhere outside the text entry field) |
| 21:21:53 | KlrSpz | mm.. like when you hit save .cfg file |
| 21:22:05 | KlrSpz | it pops up i guess the vkb, but i don't see how to do that |
| 21:22:13 | Mikachu | just go up over the edge |
| 21:22:22 | linuxstb | obo: That sounds right. And the codec buffer should be the final 512KB. |
| 21:22:35 | KlrSpz | Mikachu, yeah, it seems to be adding spaces |
| 21:22:46 | Mikachu | then you're not in the input line i guess |
| 21:22:56 | KlrSpz | oh there it goes.. i wasn't seeing an indicator that i was on th eline |
| 21:23:14 | obo | brb, 10 min |
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| 21:32:20 | cvxdes | hmm, I'm getting "[ERR] File is too large for firmware partition, aborting." when installing on the iPod. Can anyone help? |
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| 21:34:37 | Kyomi | I dont think the most recent experimental build has SID in it ;_; |
| 21:34:45 | Kyomi | I'm getting a No Codec For: |
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| 21:36:05 | cvxdes | Looks like no one here helps. Heh... *walks away* |
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| 21:36:43 | linuxstb | cvxdes: You need a little patience.... |
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| 21:38:21 | lostlogic | ahh, patience... ie waited a whopping 6 minutes from entering the channel to giving up on us. |
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| 21:40:06 | Mikachu | dialup in sweden is charged by the minute, but i don't think comcast is |
| 21:40:42 | lostlogic | *giggle* I've just learned that I'm going to be in Amsterdam for Queen's Day. |
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| 21:46:21 | leftright | lostlogic, Queens day in amsterdam is one big pissup, make sure you bring a spare liver |
| 21:46:55 | lostlogic | leftright: fortunately(?) I'm a total lightweight, so I'm easy on the liver... |
| 21:47:08 | lostlogic | I just hope to stay conscious |
| 21:47:32 | leftright | and dont ride a bicycle around in town, there's too much glass lying around, i had to pedal home on two flat wheels a few years ago |
| 21:47:42 | lostlogic | haha, I skate, not bike :) |
| 21:48:04 | KlrSpz | btw, i saw on the site that someone was looking for some kind of installer, it's not much, but i wrote a batch file to assist in the install/uninstall of rockbox |
| 21:49:53 | leftright | lostlogic, and you do know what the real purpose of the coffe bars are |
| 21:50:06 | KlrSpz | gettin lit! |
| 21:50:12 | sharpe | yay ramen! |
| 21:50:14 | lostlogic | yes, yes, I'm not that much of a newb |
| 21:50:26 | leftright | just making sure :> |
| 21:51:17 | leftright | and the woman in the wndows are really satunning, some of them anyway, and there's a special for ROCKbox dev's |
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| 21:52:46 | KlrSpz | lol |
| 21:52:47 | KlrSpz | sure sure |
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| 21:54:57 | goffa | just tell them.. they'll make it special ;) |
| 21:56:03 | lostlogic | ::rolleyes:: I'll be travelling with a female friend any way ;) |
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| 21:59:31 | amiconn | KlrSpz: There is an installer already, it's just not yet adapted to any of the newer platforms |
| 21:59:48 | KlrSpz | i thought it was just for the archos? dunno really |
| 21:59:50 | amiconn | The installer is built using innosetup, which is gpl |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:10 | amiconn | Yes, it's just for archos right now, but it could be extended... |
| 22:00:35 | KlrSpz | yeah well, mine is just a dos batch file |
| 22:00:45 | KlrSpz | i might build a vb app later or somethin |
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| 22:02:57 | lostlogic | VB *shudder* |
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| 22:04:05 | ender` | innosetup isn't gpl, it's a modified zlib license |
| 22:04:23 | petur | bloody company drink - do not disturb unless urgent - /me drunk :/ |
| 22:04:57 | * | ender` remembers somebody ranting in innosetup newsgroups because it's licence wasn't OSI-verified |
| 22:07:30 | amiconn | petur: I think we don't know all necessary gpios to communicate with the isp1362 |
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| 22:07:51 | amiconn | E.g. I would expect the reset pin to be connected somewhere |
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| 22:11:22 | twisted` | hmm... |
| 22:11:35 | petur | amiconn: all i know from looking at the iriver stuff is in the code... do have to get the gpio function/enable things right |
| 22:11:36 | twisted` | maybe i shouldn't start the riot on Queensday, for lostlogic's sake |
| 22:11:37 | twisted` | :P |
| 22:12:46 | lostlogic | twisted`: punk. you live in amsterdam? |
| 22:13:21 | twisted` | lostlogic: if I had o-lines you would have be k-lined now, nobody calls me punk |
| 22:13:38 | twisted` | lostlogic: but yeah |
| 22:13:42 | sharpe | heheh |
| 22:13:47 | Mikachu | punkitypunkpunkpunk |
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| 22:14:02 | * | Mikachu plays back to the future 2 music |
| 22:14:06 | petur | amiconn: I talked to Linus before about the gpio interconnects, his suggestion was to check the iriver code |
| 22:14:12 | twisted` | I am everythin that the punks represent are not |
| 22:14:13 | twisted` | :P |
| 22:14:14 | twisted` | lol |
| 22:14:25 | sharpe | i like punk music... |
| 22:14:35 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Acksaw |
| 22:14:35 | * | Acksaw »» Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Californication «» RHP Greatest Hits «» 05:29|192kbs|mp3 «« |
| 22:15:07 | petur | acksaw: RHCP made far better music than that |
| 22:15:15 | Mikachu | wouldn't the acronym for red hot chilli peppers be rhcp, not rhp? |
| 22:15:25 | sharpe | it should... |
| 22:15:25 | Acksaw | petur, like i dont know! |
| 22:15:28 | Acksaw | yeh midgey34 |
| 22:15:31 | Acksaw | whoops |
| 22:15:35 | Acksaw | yes Mikachu |
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| 22:15:46 | Acksaw | i have no had the time to correct it yet |
| 22:15:51 | sharpe | hmm |
| 22:16:03 | sharpe | i wonder if the similar would throw data aborts as often as my ipod... |
| 22:16:05 | lostlogic | twisted`: ... what defines punk to you? |
| 22:16:07 | sharpe | simulator... |
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| 22:16:23 | petur | DEAD KENNEDYS |
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| 22:18:01 | twisted` | lostlogic: to me? well in amsterdam there's this building called the "Vrankrijk", a lot of punks meet there |
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| 22:18:24 | twisted` | lostlogic: and some people I happened to meet are also punk |
| 22:18:27 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:18:27 | * | petur powers down... |
| 22:18:31 | lostlogic | twisted`: and punks are teenagers of a particular variety? |
| 22:18:36 | * | Mikachu puts petur in the closet |
| 22:19:00 | twisted` | lostlogic: at least, they say of theirselves they're punk, they all seem similar tho, so I guess it's all the same |
| 22:19:04 | sharpe | maybe i should be like marvin from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy... |
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| 22:19:25 | Mikachu | when petur powers up he will be coming out of the closet |
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| 22:19:39 | sharpe | ahahahah |
| 22:19:45 | lostlogic | I've never understood the various meanings of the term punk. There is punk music, there is punk culture, there are punk people. Don't get it. |
| 22:20:04 | sharpe | it's unique to what you're applying it to? |
| 22:20:33 | Mikachu | n 1: an aggressive and violent young criminal [syn: {hood}, {hoodlum}, |
| 22:20:33 | Mikachu | {goon}, {thug}, {tough}, {toughie}, {strong-armer}] |
| 22:20:42 | Mikachu | 4: a teenager or young adult who is a performer (or enthusiast) |
| 22:20:42 | Mikachu | of punk rock and a member of the punk youth subculture |
| 22:21:34 | twisted` | lostlogic: the similarities I could draw between all these "punks" is that they a) appear to have no money at all for proper clothes, b) got the weirdest haircuts, c) all the music sounds the same, d) they're pro-"anarchy" while they all demonstrate for communist parties, e) they are all against eating meat etc (while they still continue to eat cheese, which needs the acid for a dead cows stumach to be produced, way to go idiots, damn do |
| 22:22:17 | lostlogic | ROFL |
| 22:22:20 | twisted` | lostlogic: the music, also very funny, is most close to be drawn to "nazi" music, while they all seem to be wearing: anti-nazi buttons etc |
| 22:22:44 | lostlogic | I'll uhh keep that in mind. |
| 22:23:00 | Mikachu | twisted`: i don't think that was the kind of punk he was accusing you of being :) |
| 22:23:02 | * | Acksaw »» Red Hot Chili Peppers - Scar Tissue «» Greatest Hits «» 03:36|192kbs|mp3 «« |
| 22:23:05 | Acksaw | that beter? |
| 22:23:06 | Acksaw | :D |
| 22:23:20 | twisted` | Mikachu: I hope not :P |
| 22:23:49 | lostlogic | twisted`: correct, I was just saying "punk" in the same way that many people say "bitch" or "ass" to someone who's being a smartass. |
| 22:23:51 | Mikachu | i bet those punks use flac too |
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| 22:24:24 | sharpe | hey |
| 22:24:32 | sharpe | you can also say "punk ass bitch" |
| 22:24:34 | sharpe | :D |
| 22:24:45 | twisted` | and all "punks" seem to disagree with me on political standpoints, musical taste (so far for their taste btw, HEY! let's beat this shit until we can't hear the difference anymore 'n then scream some weird shit and it's NEW!), philisophical standpoints (I bet they can't spell it :P) |
| 22:24:46 | Mikachu | or punk bitch ass |
| 22:25:11 | Mikachu | twisted`: neither can you ;), it's philosophical |
| 22:25:23 | twisted` | Mikachu: meh I just woke up 5min ago or something |
| 22:25:27 | Mikachu | punk! |
| 22:25:28 | lostlogic | lol |
| 22:25:32 | twisted` | Mikachu: I'm very happy I can read atm :P |
| 22:26:08 | twisted` | Mikachu: yeah, true, s/philisophical/philosophical |
| 22:26:18 | lostlogic | http://standpoint.com |
| 22:27:08 | sharpe | lostlogic, i found out where it's data aborting... |
| 22:27:27 | twisted` | actually the "punk"-movement... cracks me up |
| 22:27:34 | twisted` | they got seriously no idea what they're doin... |
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| 22:27:48 | Mikachu | yeah they should be using wav |
| 22:28:31 | lostlogic | sharpe: and? |
| 22:29:03 | sharpe | it's has to do with loading settings for the emulator :D |
| 22:29:15 | twisted` | Mikachu: nah, punks use Mp3 96kbps, cus the "transparancy" is already hit at that point with that music |
| 22:29:20 | lostlogic | because you try to read or write a long to a non-aligned address??? :) |
| 22:29:36 | sharpe | twould seem, i'm checking it out now :) |
| 22:29:47 | lostlogic | :) |
| 22:30:08 | Mikachu | :) |
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| 22:32:11 | linuxstb__ | sharpe: It could also be reading/write a short to a non-aligned address (i.e. an odd memory address) |
| 22:32:16 | | Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) |
| 22:32:18 | * | petur hits Mikachu with quite a big hammer - then falls asleep again |
| 22:32:30 | Mikachu | i guess i deserved that |
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| 22:33:17 | petur | sorry /me still drunk |
| 22:33:24 | amiconn | petur: I couldn't find any obvious problems in your code |
| 22:33:56 | amiconn | Is the retail fw disassembly available somewhere? |
| 22:34:29 | * | amiconn would also expect that the interrupt and/or dma pins are connected somewhere |
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| 22:36:40 | twisted` | lostlogic: so actually you meant to say "punk" in a Clint Eastwood kinda way |
| 22:38:19 | petur | amiconn: i got the ida stuff from linus, I'll package and pm you |
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| 22:40:32 | petur | amiconn: got ida? |
| 22:43:00 | lostlogic | twisted`: yah, that's really the only way I use the term. |
| 22:43:24 | twisted` | lostlogic: LOL |
| 22:43:35 | twisted` | lostlogic: so everything I typed was actually for nothin, rofl |
| 22:43:54 | sharpe | such a waste, isn't it? |
| 22:44:03 | Mikachu | it was interesting and amusing |
| 22:44:04 | twisted` | lostlogic: cause I thought you said it because I said riot |
| 22:45:18 | sharpe | well, i fixed the data abort... |
| 22:46:33 | lostlogic | sharpe: yay! |
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| 22:46:44 | lostlogic | twisted`: not a waste, now I know what that kind of punk means, which I never really quite grasped ;) |
| 22:46:44 | sharpe | now to just fix the loading of the roms :) |
| 22:47:27 | twisted` | lostlogic: well to make a long story short, just some kids who rebel against their parents and don't really know what the hell they're doin |
| 22:47:47 | twisted` | lostlogic: I mean seriously, how can you be pro-anarchy while you demonstrate for communist morals |
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| 22:48:28 | lostlogic | *giggle* |
| 22:48:34 | lostlogic | yes, I grasped from your previous statements |
| 22:48:39 | yobesoom | ummm most anarchy ideals are considered communist... |
| 22:48:50 | * | lostlogic is an anarchocapitalist |
| 22:48:59 | sharpe | would read() mind reading 8kb at once? |
| 22:49:24 | lostlogic | sharpe: no, it'd probably prefer to read a bit more... |
| 22:49:38 | sharpe | well, it's the largest of the roms... :) |
| 22:49:47 | lostlogic | lol ... right, commodore 64. |
| 22:49:59 | twisted` | yobesoom: it's impossible |
| 22:50:09 | twisted` | yobesoom: at least, depends how they see anarchy |
| 22:50:11 | sharpe | heheh |
| 22:50:19 | lostlogic | I thought the communist ideal is no state... and socialist ideal was state-controlled production"? |
| 22:50:20 | twisted` | yobesoom: anarchy is total chaos |
| 22:50:24 | lostlogic | twisted`: no. |
| 22:50:29 | lostlogic | anarchy is the lack of a regimented body of law. |
| 22:50:30 | twisted` | no order no rules no one is in charge |
| 22:50:31 | Mikachu | i thought communism was about a centrally controlled thinger where everyone gets an equal share of stuff |
| 22:50:33 | sharpe | well, it will get to read 68kb when i get it to be able to save/load the state of the emulator. |
| 22:50:41 | lostlogic | which absolutely does not imply chaos |
| 22:50:54 | sharpe | Mikachu: in theory, yeah... |
| 22:51:14 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I believe communism is simply the ideal that everyone should have what they need and give what they can... which can be achieved in a totalitarian way or an anarchistic way |
| 22:51:15 | twisted` | lostlogic: that's just a lame form of anarchy |
| 22:51:24 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:51:50 | lostlogic | twisted`: ... I'd quite rather have a stable anarchocapitalist society than anything else... |
| 22:51:50 | twisted` | but then again, all political forms that now exist are just weak |
| 22:52:07 | twisted` | I fuckin _hate_ communists and socialists |
| 22:52:13 | scorche | communism is based on common ownership... |
| 22:52:26 | petur | amiconn ? |
| 22:52:34 | twisted` | I mean seriously, if you can't work, fuckin die or something, I'm not gonna work to support you... I mean... why would I even?! |
| 22:52:44 | lostlogic | twisted`: hate is such a strong word. I strongly disagree with them. |
| 22:52:55 | Mikachu | twisted`: wow, this is why i don't discuss politics with people |
| 22:53:08 | Mikachu | it's better to not know their crazy opinions :) |
| 22:53:35 | Mikachu | s/don't/prefer not to/ |
| 22:53:38 | twisted` | lol |
| 22:53:52 | Mikachu | so you want your mom to die when she's 65? |
| 22:54:00 | petur | twisted`: what if you got some handicap; just die because you're perfect? |
| 22:54:28 | Mikachu | twisted`: you wouldn't like sweden |
| 22:54:29 | lostlogic | Mikachu: she should have damn well saved for her retirement |
| 22:54:30 | twisted` | I didn't say I won't support other people, maybe I should've said it differently, if you want to support people yourself, SURE go ahead |
| 22:54:34 | twisted` | but it isn't something imo |
| 22:54:38 | twisted` | that the state should do |
| 22:54:40 | Mikachu | i'm 21 and i've never worked for a minute yet |
| 22:54:41 | twisted` | or government |
| 22:54:57 | twisted` | Mikachu: oh sweden is only a LITTLE bit worse then the NL |
| 22:55:07 | twisted` | seriously I live in a fuckin socialist country |
| 22:55:22 | Mikachu | if it's okay with you, i'll stop taking part in this discussion here |
| 22:55:24 | lostlogic | we pretty much all do these days |
| 22:55:24 | * | Bagder must've joined wrong channel |
| 22:55:43 | lostlogic | we might need that #rockbox-ot channel :-D |
| 22:55:43 | twisted` | lostlogic: what? |
| 22:55:50 | sharpe | we just got political overnight. |
| 22:56:00 | lostlogic | twisted`: most of the countries in the first world are getting more socialist by the day |
| 22:56:03 | lostlogic | it sucks. |
| 22:56:04 | goffa | welfare=socailism pretty much |
| 22:56:13 | twisted` | it shouldn't be |
| 22:56:16 | twisted` | it's criminal too |
| 22:56:24 | Spacksaw | lol |
| 22:56:27 | twisted` | they go like; well we can take the money from the rich, cus they got so much |
| 22:56:28 | * | lostlogic proudly wears his 'taxes are stealing' shirt a lot of days. |
| 22:56:31 | twisted` | and let's give it to the poor! |
| 22:56:40 | twisted` | well, FUCK THAT |
| 22:56:47 | | Part Mikachu ("tell me when you're done") |
| 22:56:55 | twisted` | if you can't come up with some scheme to become filthy rich over the back of some poor bastard |
| 22:57:00 | twisted` | well that's just your fuckin problem |
| 22:57:01 | lostlogic | twisted`: you could stand to be a little more diplomatic in your communications in here... |
| 22:57:06 | * | petur plays some more DEAD KENNEDYS songs |
| 22:57:16 | goffa | :) nice petur |
| 22:57:27 | twisted` | lostlogic: what do you mean? |
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| 22:57:49 | lostlogic | twisted`: I think you've sincerely offended Mikachu, by your vehement and violent (cursing) statements. |
| 22:58:08 | lostlogic | and while a good political discussion is no bad thing, offending people is not something we should be doing. |
| 22:58:32 | Febs | Damn, went I went into a meeting a while ago, we were talking about the shortage of buttons on the iPod 5g. I come back and all hell has broken loose. |
| 22:58:43 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:58:45 | twisted` | lostlogic: imo it's impossible to offend people by stating your policital standpoints, if that was so, then I should feel offended 24/7 by the propaganda they broadcast on the tv and radio and godknowswhereelse |
| 22:59:20 | Bagder | twisted`: but you speak like a little kid |
| 22:59:26 | Bagder | cursing and badmouthing |
| 22:59:36 | Bagder | its not polite |
| 22:59:41 | Bagder | and not fun to read |
| 22:59:52 | lostlogic | twisted`: people _get_ offended, you do not offend people, but regardless, you can choose to phrase things in a less offensive way in order to foster rational discussion. |
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| 23:00:17 | sharpe | woo! |
| 23:00:20 | sharpe | it works |
| 23:00:27 | goffa | what's that sharpe? |
| 23:00:32 | Bagder | sharpe: screendumps! |
| 23:00:34 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:00:37 | sharpe | rewritten c64 emulator |
| 23:00:42 | goffa | ah |
| 23:00:44 | sharpe | actually, i must fix the screen output |
| 23:00:51 | sharpe | as... there is no c64 video. :D |
| 23:00:56 | twisted` | Bagder: just because I am using "bad words" doesn't make me less of a person then you, maybe uptight people tend to offend me the same as I could offend you, and the whole way of talking "proper" is just outdated anyway, and it's idiotic and criminal because you are actually censoring |
| 23:00:56 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:00:59 | sharpe | output, video output. |
| 23:01:13 | Bagder | twisted`: I'm telling you why you upset people |
| 23:01:19 | Bagder | you can chose to ignore |
| 23:01:48 | Bagder | and I didn't say anyone was lesser |
| 23:01:55 | twisted` | Bagder: imo if you get upset by that you should consider getting professional help cause your not made for a real society with real problems anyway |
| 23:02:07 | Bagder | I know how to behave |
| 23:02:16 | twisted` | Bagder: no, indeed, you did not, but you did point out, ah you just did it again "behave" |
| 23:02:18 | Bagder | ask bluechip ;-) |
| 23:02:34 | * | lostlogic giggles uncontrollably |
| 23:02:37 | twisted` | which good for nothin bastard came up witht the stupid idea to "behave" or have 'moral standards" |
| 23:02:43 | twisted` | it's the same as sayin: no smoking |
| 23:02:51 | Bagder | twisted`: now stop this |
| 23:03:00 | Bagder | this is #rockbox |
| 23:03:07 | goffa | not #soapbox |
| 23:03:30 | lostlogic | twisted`: do you notice that even though I _agree_ with you I can't take your side at all right now? this is not a positive reflection on your ability to communicate. |
| 23:03:38 | twisted` | Bagder: I will for the sake of the channel |
| 23:03:54 | * | petur hits twisted`with a razor sharp DEAD KENNEDYS CD |
| 23:03:56 | Bagder | thank you |
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| 23:04:54 | twisted` | Bagder: no prob, btw, kudo's for not banning or kicking, most ops do so without askin first if it can be stopped whatever is against their liking |
| 23:05:21 | petur | amiconn ? |
| 23:05:36 | Mode | "#RockBox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:05:51 | petur | wow |
| 23:05:54 | lostlogic | damn swedes and their egalitarian ideals. |
| 23:06:03 | sharpe | heh |
| 23:06:09 | lostlogic | shit, politics out, sorry. |
| 23:06:14 | Mikachu | :> |
| 23:06:17 | sharpe | :D |
| 23:07:00 | twisted` | btw for the maybe need other channel thing, not neccessary, there;s another one where most of it seems to be possible, #ninjapirate, also here |
| 23:07:22 | lostlogic | heh. |
| 23:08:05 | Mikachu | would it be possible to use multiple fat partitions on ipods in rockbox? |
| 23:08:24 | Mikachu | i noticed something about multipartitions but i think that was for flash cards that a player let you plug in |
| 23:08:26 | Bagder | Mikachu: rockbox mounts the first it can, iirc |
| 23:08:35 | Bagder | ah yes |
| 23:08:39 | lostlogic | I think it would be possible to expand the multivolume support for that. |
| 23:08:41 | Mikachu | just thinking about using the 60M space between the bootloader and the main fat partition |
| 23:08:43 | lostlogic | is there a good reason to though? |
| 23:08:55 | Mikachu | but i don't want to expand the main fat there since it might get overwritten sometimes |
| 23:09:35 | petur | it's not a real fat partition is it? |
| 23:09:41 | Mikachu | what isn't? |
| 23:09:41 | lostlogic | it could be made one. |
| 23:09:49 | Mikachu | it's an ext3 partition right now |
| 23:09:59 | Mikachu | but i have rockdoom now ;) |
| 23:10:09 | petur | frrrr... |
| 23:10:49 | petur | amiconn ? |
| 23:11:06 | Mikachu | i think when he gets back, he'll see you called |
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| 23:22:56 | obo | Is TARGET_ID set by the Makefile? If so, is it possible to do the same for ARCHOS? Or is there an enum for the target ids with their text name? |
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| 23:23:51 | obo | I'm basically trying to get a string containing the model name. |
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| 23:27:02 | Bagder | at least the ARCHOS variable in the makefile contains the target name |
| 23:28:47 | sharpe | hmm... |
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| 23:30:24 | obo | yeah, that would do nicely... but it's undeclared? |
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| 23:30:53 | tobi-wan | hi guys! i just tried out rockbox on a ipod g4 (using ubuntu dapper) looks good so far, only when i want to boot into rockbox, the ipod 'hangs' it reboots continously. what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:31:00 | Bagder | well, you'd need to pass it in as a define or something |
| 23:31:08 | tobi-wan | i tried 2 different rockbox builds: the current one and the one from 13th of april |
| 23:31:23 | sharpe | tobi-wan: what's the last screen where it hangs or reboots? |
| 23:31:23 | lostlogic | tobi-wan: did you install the actual rockbox build, or just the bootloader? |
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| 23:31:45 | tobi-wan | actual rockbox, reboot without it works as expected, boots into apple os |
| 23:31:52 | tobi-wan | last screen is the apple |
| 23:32:07 | tobi-wan | the background-light flashes, the apple shows, it vanishes, it reappear ad infinitum |
| 23:32:20 | obo | okay - I tried to see how TARGET_ID was set, but I can only find references to it being used, not where it's defined - how does it grab the value from the Makefile? |
| 23:32:22 | tobi-wan | btw: it's got the newest apple fw-update beforehand |
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| 23:33:03 | Bagder | obo: in apps/Makefile: -DTARGET_ID=$(TARGET_ID) |
| 23:33:27 | Bagder | you could simply add -DTARGET_NAME=$(ARCHOS) |
| 23:33:30 | sharpe | tobi-wan, you installed the bootloader, right? |
| 23:33:33 | obo | Bagder: ah! Thanks |
| 23:33:38 | tobi-wan | sharpe: yep, i did |
| 23:33:40 | lostlogic | tobi-wan: you're confusing me −− you say rockbox works fine, but then you say you can't boot rockbox... this confuses me. |
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| 23:33:45 | tobi-wan | following the instructions to the very minute |
| 23:34:02 | Bagder | obo: that of course only give you the current build's target name |
| 23:34:20 | sharpe | but it can boot into apple os? |
| 23:34:21 | obo | Bagder: that's fine for my needs :) |
| 23:34:27 | Bagder | goodie |
| 23:34:32 | tobi-wan | lostlogic: oh, i was unclear. it does *not* boot. installing the firmware works (or seems so, at least): it reboots and boots the apple OS ('cause rockbox isn't there yet). when i add the rockbox zip, it reboots forever |
| 23:35:08 | lostlogic | tobi-wan: and by add the rockbox.zip, I assume you mean unzip -d ipodpath rockbox.zip? |
| 23:35:36 | tobi-wan | lostlogic: yes, i do. it creates a .rockbox and some other file on /dev/sda2 for me |
| 23:35:59 | tobi-wan | sharpe: how can i try that? |
| 23:35:59 | lostlogic | what kind of 4g is it? |
| 23:36:04 | tobi-wan | its a 4g grey |
| 23:36:38 | lostlogic | USB detection bug maybe? probably. |
| 23:36:53 | sharpe | tobi-wan, from the way you had said it, i thought you meant you could boot onto the apple firmware, but by holding menu as soon as it restarts, you should be able to with more or less success... |
| 23:37:15 | tobi-wan | let me try that.... |
| 23:37:31 | lostlogic | also possibly try turning on hold while it's doing it's infinite reboot whatzit. |
| 23:37:41 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 23:37:46 | tobi-wan | sharpe: yep, this one works |
| 23:37:54 | tobi-wan | got apple nice and pie |
| 23:38:11 | tobi-wan | lostlogic: this could help? one sec |
| 23:38:31 | lostlogic | hold switch tells rockbox to reset settings... dunno, worth a shot |
| 23:38:34 | sharpe | when hold is switch on while rockbox boots, it reverts to the default settings... |
| 23:38:53 | sharpe | heh, i figured out why it wasn't drawing the screen |
| 23:39:12 | lostlogic | after that I'm stumped |
| 23:39:14 | sharpe | i had forgot to set the number of horizontal/vertical lines to draw... |
| 23:39:32 | tobi-wan | interesting... activating 'hold' leaves me at the apple logo with permanent background light |
| 23:39:50 | sharpe | that's... strange... |
| 23:39:50 | tobi-wan | huh.... seems like i got a pretty "special" ipod here..... |
| 23:39:53 | lostlogic | sounds like rockbox has a difficulty reading your partition. |
| 23:40:00 | lostlogic | tobi-wan: dosfsck that thing |
| 23:40:02 | tobi-wan | it is fat alright |
| 23:40:05 | tobi-wan | ok, i will |
| 23:40:07 | sharpe | heh |
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| 23:40:51 | tobi-wan | well... at first i thought that the latest firmware update might have messed things up (apple firmware), but since it boots fine.... i wonder |
| 23:41:16 | sharpe | the apple firmware update shouldn't have any affect on it, at least i don't think so... |
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| 23:41:37 | tobi-wan | that's my opinion, too |
| 23:41:48 | * | lostlogic knows nothing about latest apple firmware update vs. rockboxes. |
| 23:42:26 | sharpe | hmm... just a thought, but did you update the apple firmware after you installed rockbox's bootloader? |
| 23:42:41 | linuxstb | tobi-wan: Does the Rockbox bootloader display any messages? At what point in the process does the reboot happen? |
| 23:43:22 | tobi-wan | linuxstb: at the point when the apple logo appears |
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| 23:43:47 | linuxstb | You mean before the Rockbox bootloader starts? (i.e. the screen turns light blue) |
| 23:43:55 | linuxstb | Sorry, not blue for you.... |
| 23:43:59 | tobi-wan | dosfsck: /dev/sdb2: 495 files, 1868/986065 clusters |
| 23:44:15 | tobi-wan | no, not blue :-) but yes, the backlight starts, the apple shows |
| 23:44:22 | tobi-wan | seem ok, too |
| 23:44:50 | linuxstb | The Rockbox bootloader starts after the apple logo. Is the bootloader being started? It should display some text on the screen. |
| 23:45:17 | tobi-wan | no, it is not |
| 23:45:46 | tobi-wan | for me, the zip contained a .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod, both of which are mod 700 |
| 23:45:56 | linuxstb | Then I'm guessing you installed the wrong bootloader. What "bootloader-????.bin" file did you install? |
| 23:46:08 | tobi-wan | 4g |
| 23:46:18 | tobi-wan | and ./fw_loader -g 4g too |
| 23:46:58 | tobi-wan | definitively bootloader-4g.bin |
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| 23:47:44 | tobi-wan | so, let us recap: the apple bootloader seems to be intact, since appleos boots fine. obviously, i have managed to mess up the bootloader of rockbox in person? |
| 23:48:19 | sharpe | oops... |
| 23:48:24 | sharpe | i screwed something up. |
| 23:48:31 | linuxstb | tobi-wan: The way it works is that the Apple bootloader loads the Rockbox bootloader, and then the Rockbox bootloader either starts the Apple firmware or Rockbox. |
| 23:48:56 | linuxstb | tobi-wan: So if the Apple firmware is starting, then it must be being started by the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 23:49:13 | sharpe | ahah, i've got to take a screenshot of this... |
| 23:49:32 | tobi-wan | *hrm* so both of them are caught in an endless-loop? apple-bl->rockbox-bl->apple-bl? |
| 23:49:44 | tobi-wan | that would point to a broken installation of rockbox application, not? |
| 23:49:52 | linuxstb | Did you try to install the Rockbox bootloader more than once? |
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| 23:50:51 | tobi-wan | linuxstb: yep, when i messed up the first time, i re-flashed my ipod and tried the process again |
| 23:50:58 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, I love that job... |
| 23:51:19 | tobi-wan | *arrr* i also tried ipodforlinux, and it didn't work either... i'd love to play oggs :-/ |
| 23:51:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5208 <−−- I believe this one's already in. |
| 23:51:44 | lostlogic | tobi-wan: ipodlinux doesn't play oggs, afaik. |
| 23:51:48 | Galois | the presence of ipodlinux can screw up a rockbox install |
| 23:51:56 | Mikachu | does it play anything yet? :) |
| 23:52:01 | linuxstb | tobi-wan: OK, so you definitely restored the ipod between the first and second attempts? Installing the Rockbox bootloader onto an ipod with the bootloader already there can cause confusion. |
| 23:52:03 | Galois | ipodlinux can play oggs, just not easily |
| 23:52:10 | lostlogic | ah. |
| 23:52:11 | tobi-wan | Galois: i flashed the ipod before the whole process |
| 23:52:23 | tobi-wan | linuxstb: yep, definitively |
| 23:52:37 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: You mean the feature is in Rockbox, or is already requested? |
| 23:52:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: The presence of iPodLinux has caused many a complaint of "I can't get back to retail OS" |
| 23:53:03 | Galois | clearly ipodlinux is evil |
| 23:53:39 | Galois | http://ipodlinux.org/Project_Status#Audio_Codec_Compatibility |
| 23:53:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It was requested in the past (pre 2.5) |
| 23:54:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: At the very least the Composer tag is now as supported as Artist, which seems to be the brunt of their request. You can even search by it in TagCache |
| 23:54:13 | tobi-wan | htm..... my girlfriend will be gone over the weekend... maybe i should *erm* borrow her ipod nano |
| 23:54:48 | tobi-wan | Galois: initially i was hoping to get mpd to work on i4l *sigh* |
| 23:55:01 | tobi-wan | any more ideas atm? |
| 23:55:36 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I've just searched the source, and there seems to be support for the composer tag in Rockbox already - the %ic tag. |
| 23:55:36 | Galois | if your music is all backed up, restore your ipod with the apple utility and follow the instructions again to the letter, I'm pretty sure the instructions work |
| 23:56:10 | tobi-wan | Galois: ..... i will, for sure, though with not so much as a glimmer of hope |
| 23:56:26 | Galois | tobi-wan: I know you've tried it twice already, but ... it has happened before that people made the exact same mistake twice |
| 23:56:32 | tobi-wan | status change: now when i reboot, the apple logo appears (with background light) and stays that way |
| 23:56:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Yup. As I was saying, it's basically a request for an existing feature. :) |
| 23:56:55 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: OK, I'll close it then... |
| 23:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It's too late. :-p |
| 23:57:20 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 23:57:26 | tobi-wan | Galois: :-D hopefully you are right, though, to be honest, i doubt it. i took care not to get it wrong |
| 23:57:27 | Bagder | I tought the man to fish ;-) |
| 23:57:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd gives the shifty eyes. |
| 23:57:45 | tobi-wan | well, i'll go to sleep for now and continue tomorrow, fresh day fresh luck... whatever :-D |
| 23:57:48 | Galois | tobi-wan: which installation instructions are you following, anyway? |
| 23:57:52 | tobi-wan | thanks guys for the suggestions! |
| 23:58:04 | tobi-wan | Galois: those on the wiki and those on newsforge, one for each try |
| 23:58:14 | Galois | you're doing a linux install? |
| 23:58:41 | tobi-wan | oh, yes |
| 23:58:44 | Galois | I wrote that linux install page on the wiki, and I'm sure there is no such thing as fw_loader anywhere in that page |
| 23:58:51 | Galois | so what you wrote above already contains a mistake |
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