| 00:00:15 | tobi-wan | i'll report back tomorrow again, i will also try a windows-install, since i have one handy, anyway |
| 00:00:19 | Bagder | dual close! ;-) |
| 00:00:24 | tobi-wan | best regards and thanks! |
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| 00:01:40 | Bagder | linuxstb: I gave Paul_The_Nerd the necessary suport powers to close issues |
| 00:01:53 | * | Bagder meant to write "super powers" |
| 00:01:55 | sharpe | who wants to see the rewritten code's output? :D |
| 00:02:02 | Bagder | me me! |
| 00:02:04 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/qdig/rockbox/rewrittensource.png |
| 00:02:15 | Bagder | niiiice |
| 00:02:19 | Bagder | *g* |
| 00:02:20 | sharpe | yeah, i try. |
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| 00:02:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: You saw the "Super hero of the rockbox forums" post as well? |
| 00:02:44 | Bagder | I did |
| 00:02:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 00:02:58 | Bagder | and I agree with it |
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| 00:03:49 | sharpe | and thanks to the pacbox source, i can now get it to emulate at 100%, with adjustments to the framerate |
| 00:03:59 | sharpe | er, by adjusting the framerate. |
| 00:05:16 | sharpe | and the timing should be relatively correct, as it updates the raster correctly, or as close as it can get |
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| 00:15:06 | sharpe | wheee... |
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| 00:15:24 | lostlogic | doe sit display real text now? :) |
| 00:15:36 | sharpe | nope, but i figured out what it's displaying |
| 00:15:47 | sharpe | and why... |
| 00:16:03 | sharpe | so, some progress :) |
| 00:16:05 | lostlogic | excellent |
| 00:16:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has an interesting idea. |
| 00:16:38 | staticX | some norwegians here? |
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| 00:17:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | You know how every now and then someone says "I want to help, but I'm not sure where to start?" and there's about 50-billion outstanding feature requests? Since I'm always in the forum anyway, would anyone think it's a bad idea for me to host a thread where people can vote for which feature request they'd most like to see, so new programmers can maybe quickly skim for ideas? |
| 00:17:27 | staticX | nobody?:P |
| 00:17:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | The idea would be for me to scan the thread every now and then, and update tallies, with just links to the feature requests. |
| 00:18:23 | Bagder | staticX: preglow is our main norwegian |
| 00:18:35 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 00:18:48 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: I certainly won't mind! |
| 00:18:54 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea |
| 00:19:09 | Bagder | I'm not sure it'll work, but its worth a try |
| 00:19:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the very least it might prove a helpful resource. |
| 00:20:23 | sharpe | hmm |
| 00:20:45 | sharpe | okay, it's because the mempointer vic register isn't written to the vic struct, but only memory.. |
| 00:21:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, it's in Gen. Discussion. |
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| 00:24:15 | sharpe | okay, i've some better progress, displaying correct video addresses... |
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| 00:25:06 | KlrSpz | hey when i detach my nanopod from the cable (with rockbox installed) i get a battery with an exlamation on it.. I assume this means low batt.. but this couldn't be the case as it's been installed all day... and when this happens now it takes forever for the RB boot loader to start up |
| 00:25:08 | KlrSpz | any ideas? |
| 00:25:31 | sharpe | battery's low... happened to me a few times.. |
| 00:25:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | KlrSpz: Were you charging inside of Rockbox, or Retail OS / Disk Mode? |
| 00:25:50 | KlrSpz | i said that can't be the case |
| 00:25:53 | sharpe | have you been charging it in rockbox? |
| 00:25:59 | KlrSpz | Paul_The_Nerd, diskmode |
| 00:26:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm... It *shouldn't* be the case. |
| 00:26:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I would verify the battery level first. |
| 00:26:37 | KlrSpz | it looks like it's going to reboot again, the nit shows the batt shit, and then after 10 secs of showing that, it goes off and i wait forever and get nothing, i hit buttons, then eventually it comes back on |
| 00:26:44 | KlrSpz | batt shows 100% both in Retail OS and RB |
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| 00:27:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | KlrSpz: if you hold Menu+Select, does it take longer than it used to from the time the screen blanks, to when Rockbox loads? |
| 00:28:05 | KlrSpz | Paul_The_Nerd, vs what exactly? |
| 00:28:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | KlrSpz: Vs. how long it used to take to load into RB? |
| 00:28:44 | KlrSpz | not really no |
| 00:28:47 | Galois | that happens to me all the time after disconnecting the cable. The low battery icon shows up. |
| 00:28:58 | KlrSpz | yeah, that's what happens |
| 00:29:02 | Galois | I just reset the ipod and thereafter it behaves normally |
| 00:29:02 | KlrSpz | but it just started |
| 00:29:07 | KlrSpz | and i've been messing with it all day |
| 00:29:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | KlrSpz: It sounds like it's just a glitch in the disk mode. It does seem to behave inconsistently on the Nano, but that's Apple's software. |
| 00:29:25 | * | Paul_The_Nerd prefers to avoid the Disk Mode entirely on the Nano |
| 00:29:45 | KlrSpz | well there's no other way to transfer files is there? |
| 00:29:53 | KlrSpz | ie: can't transfer while in RB |
| 00:30:16 | sharpe | you can transfer in disk mode/apple firmware, then charge in rockbox... |
| 00:30:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | KlrSpz: You can boot into the normal Apple Firmware. |
| 00:30:38 | KlrSpz | ahh true |
| 00:30:57 | lostlogic | are there three disk modes on ipods? |
| 00:30:58 | Galois | I use the disk mode to transfer files. When disconnecting the cable, it sometimes gives that low battery icon. Just reset it once and it will be back to normal. |
| 00:31:09 | lostlogic | emergency disk mode, disk mode, and 'normal' firmware disk mode? |
| 00:31:15 | KlrSpz | Galois, yeah that's what i've been doing.. thx for the confirmation |
| 00:31:29 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, i only know of 2.. but i'm still new to this |
| 00:34:12 | sharpe | i thought disk mode was also called emergency disk mode... |
| 00:34:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: There's really two. "Emergency Disk Mode" is the one from firmware, and Apple OS / Retail "usb connect" or whatever. |
| 00:34:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Unfortunately the term "disk mode" can also simply refer to the act of allowing your ipod to be seen as a disk, rather than only syncing through iTunes. |
| 00:35:40 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: so when I plug in USB on my ipoop, and it goes to a disk mode, that's which one? |
| 00:35:49 | KlrSpz | i'm loving this filesystem view vs itunes db |
| 00:35:51 | lostlogic | (from rockbox) |
| 00:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: If you're in Rockbox, it's the "emergency" one |
| 00:36:01 | lostlogic | then there are three. |
| 00:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | By "emergency" I mean "The same one you get when you hold Menu+Play after resetting with Menu+Select" |
| 00:36:23 | sharpe | three ways of getting to two modes, it sounds like. |
| 00:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are three? |
| 00:36:31 | lostlogic | 1) 'normal' to rockbox plug in, go to disk mode. 2) hold menu/play during boot and 3) the one you get from inside apple os |
| 00:36:55 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, it's the same one as when you hold play/pause when you use the retail OS |
| 00:37:04 | KlrSpz | which is the emer. disk |
| 00:37:23 | KlrSpz | so 1/2 are the same one |
| 00:37:33 | lostlogic | well it behaves differently, if you hold play/select, you get to a disk mode and can attach and detach USB repeatedly and it stays in disk mode. |
| 00:37:48 | lostlogic | if you go to disk mode from rockbox as soon as you disconnect it resets |
| 00:38:05 | KlrSpz | yeah i think that's part of the RB boothloader method |
| 00:38:26 | KlrSpz | i read o nthe wiki it just invokes the emer. disk mode |
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| 00:39:10 | sharpe | score! |
| 00:39:19 | sharpe | it displays the characters now |
| 00:39:29 | lostlogic | hoot |
| 00:39:45 | lostlogic | one says disk mode at the top and the othe rdoes not |
| 00:39:51 | lostlogic | I still say it's 3 different modes. |
| 00:39:59 | KlrSpz | k, then i concur |
| 00:40:00 | sharpe | and at the main screen, 11.11fps at ~117% emulation. |
| 00:40:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Oooh. If one does and one doesn't, I'm curious now. |
| 00:40:24 | * | lostlogic is not crazy. I hope. |
| 00:40:33 | Mikachu | not for that reason at least |
| 00:40:38 | lostlogic | sharpe: that's not very many FPSs, how can that be 117%? |
| 00:40:46 | lostlogic | Mikachu: grr |
| 00:40:51 | Mikachu | :)) |
| 00:40:53 | Mikachu | frameskip i guess |
| 00:41:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I couldn't check my self, as my iPod is currently patched to boot into Retail when I plug in USB. (Em. Disk Mode is VERY slow on iPod) |
| 00:41:05 | KlrSpz | ok, i'm off work, i'm out for the night, thanks for everyone's help.. hopefully i'll be idling in here more often :) |
| 00:41:27 | sharpe | it's emulating the processor at 117%, but it displays that many frames to achieve that emulation of the cpu... |
| 00:41:55 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: you mean on nano? |
| 00:41:57 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: all I use it for is updating rockbox, and I hate that retailos puts those extra stupid folders on the disk. |
| 00:42:06 | lostlogic | sharpe: nice |
| 00:42:33 | Mikachu | you never copy music to your ipod? :) |
| 00:42:48 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I have all my music on it... don't buy new CDs that often |
| 00:42:53 | sharpe | so it tries to emulate the cpu at full speed, however it won't keep the same framerate to do so.. |
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| 00:43:00 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:43:01 | sharpe | tis based off of how pacbox does it |
| 00:43:06 | lostlogic | sharpe: *nod* |
| 00:43:17 | Mikachu | i guess the usage pattern is very different with a nano and a video |
| 00:43:26 | sharpe | and it should give an extra frame per second if i remove some of the debug info |
| 00:43:26 | lostlogic | Mikachu: quite definitely. |
| 00:43:57 | lostlogic | and now, I skate home, so I can get back to the rockbox coding. |
| 00:44:17 | sharpe | you travel home a different way every day... |
| 00:44:41 | Mikachu | makes it harder for the aliens to track him |
| 00:44:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Aye, on Nano. |
| 00:44:48 | Galois | I don't find disk mode all that slow. It's faster than 100baseT ethernet... |
| 00:44:53 | sharpe | he a tricky one he is. |
| 00:45:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I like to do a full update, as I've had bad luck with non-full ones in the past. That can take upward of 7 minutes on my poor little nano in emergency disk mode. |
| 00:45:08 | Mikachu | Galois: it's only slow on nanos, in the region of <100kB/s |
| 00:45:16 | Galois | I have a nano dude |
| 00:45:47 | Mikachu | are you sure you're not talking about retailos diskmode? |
| 00:45:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Are you talking about the one that Rockbox boots into automatically on USB insert, or the one inside Retail, or the one you get to with Menu+Play? |
| 00:46:00 | Galois | I'm talking about the black and white thing you get when you stick in the cable |
| 00:46:18 | Galois | I get over 100kB even on usb1.1 |
| 00:46:43 | KlrSpz | how do you get to the WPS easily? i can't figure out what the keystroke is |
| 00:46:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: The problem seems to come with multiple files rather than direct transfer speed, if I remember someone's benchmarkings correctly. |
| 00:46:57 | Galois | usb2.0 is, well I can't say if it's really as fast as usb2.0 should be, but as I said above it's faster than ethernet |
| 00:47:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | KlrSpz: If music is playing, get to the Filetree, and tap Play |
| 00:47:10 | Galois | I transfer entire albums at once, which is maybe 10 files. Not 100. |
| 00:47:25 | Mikachu | i thought it had crashed when i was in it |
| 00:48:43 | Galois | Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 5.75 seconds = 712.35 kB/sec |
| 00:48:47 | Galois | on usb 1.1 |
| 00:49:56 | KlrSpz | aight, i'm gone, night all |
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| 00:50:20 | sharpe | i've an idea for scaling the screen to fit smaller ones... |
| 00:50:37 | Mikachu | is it a good one? |
| 00:50:45 | sharpe | dunno |
| 00:50:56 | sharpe | but it should be easy to implement |
| 00:51:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you can't fit it on the screen, you should just half the vertical and horizontal resolutions in the ugliest way possible and tell people to "deal with it" :-P |
| 00:51:57 | Mikachu | in pacman, half of the board isn't drawn :) |
| 00:52:07 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: that's essentially the idea :D |
| 00:52:11 | Mikachu | i modified it so it draws all four pixels in the same pixel on the screen |
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| 00:54:19 | sharpe | except it's, get ratio of ipod's screen to the target screen, for instance, 2, then every line encountered that's close to that ratio... sounds like it'd work, just wouldn't be as pretty as a large screen would. :D |
| 00:54:33 | sharpe | er, skip drawing said line. |
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| 00:54:58 | axion_ | do the different sized screens have different aspect ratios, or even pixel aspect ratios? |
| 00:55:12 | sharpe | i don't think so... |
| 00:55:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not mostly, I believe |
| 00:55:17 | Galois | on USB 2.0 I get |
| 00:55:17 | Galois | Timing buffered disk reads: 24 MB in 3.19 seconds = 7.52 MB/sec |
| 00:55:23 | Galois | in disk mode on the nano |
| 00:55:24 | Mikachu | one of them has nonsquare pixels |
| 00:55:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: But those are read speeds. |
| 00:55:37 | Galois | 75% of 100baseT ethernet speed |
| 00:55:37 | Mikachu | read != write |
| 00:55:40 | Galois | yeah? |
| 00:55:55 | axion_ | i'm thinking the best way would be to stretch it using a fast bilinear filter then |
| 00:56:02 | Galois | okay so what's a good write test? It has to be multiple files? |
| 00:57:39 | Galois | it took 34 seconds to copy 170 megs of rpms |
| 00:57:45 | Galois | and umount the drive |
| 00:57:53 | Galois | so, the write speed is lower, 5MB/s |
| 00:57:59 | sharpe | who wants to see the latest emulator screenshot, diplaying the correct characters? :D |
| 00:58:05 | Galois | still well within acceptable bounds. I don't know where you're getting the very slow behavior from. |
| 00:58:08 | Mikachu | what ipod do you have, and what apple os version? |
| 00:58:18 | Galois | ipod nano 4GB, I never updated the apple os version |
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| 01:00:05 | Galois | I bet it depends more on the host usb chip than the ipod |
| 01:01:28 | Galois | in theory USB 2.0 is something like 50 megs per second, so, yeah, it's slower than the interface |
| 01:02:42 | Galois | at 5 megs per second write speed it takes 13 minutes to fill up the entire nano |
| 01:02:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Try copying over a whole .rockbox folder. Just rename it "test" and copy it, and see how long it takes. |
| 01:03:57 | Galois | date && cp -r test/ /media/IPOD/ && umount /media/IPOD/ && date |
| 01:03:58 | Galois | Fri Apr 21 16:03:53 PDT 2006 |
| 01:03:58 | Galois | Fri Apr 21 16:03:55 PDT 2006 |
| 01:04:01 | Galois | really fast |
| 01:04:42 | Galois | disk mode is where the screen is black and white and the backlight doesn't work, right? |
| 01:04:53 | Galois | cause that's what I use |
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| 01:06:06 | Galois | it could be because I'm on AMD64 instead of x86, because we all know that 64 bits is twice as fast :) |
| 01:06:25 | Galois | anyway, I have a doctors appointment, later |
| 01:07:35 | sharpe | well, here's the correct output screenshot... http://mattb.strangled.net/qdig/rockbox/rewritedone.png |
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| 01:12:56 | sharpe | axion_: that's an interesting idea... i'll probably try to implement bilinear filtering on it later some time. |
| 01:14:59 | Mikachu | i have a suspicion it will lower your fps quite a bit |
| 01:15:11 | sharpe | yeah, probably. |
| 01:15:53 | lostlogic | sharpe: just bike train or skate... depending on weather and ambition and hurry level. |
| 01:15:59 | sharpe | heh |
| 01:16:12 | lostlogic | train being the slowest :-\ |
| 01:18:16 | sharpe | okay... what to implement next? |
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| 01:20:54 | linuxstb | sharpe: What's on your list? |
| 01:21:04 | sharpe | right now, not much... |
| 01:21:13 | Mikachu | you said something about save stating |
| 01:21:16 | kapheine | amiconn: are you around by any chance? |
| 01:21:19 | linuxstb | I mean, what's left before it's a fully-functional emulator? |
| 01:21:38 | sharpe | graphic handling, other than standard text mode |
| 01:21:56 | sharpe | disk support or tape, or whatever other way there is to read programs... |
| 01:23:28 | sharpe | can't think of much els |
| 01:23:29 | sharpe | e |
| 01:24:09 | kapheine | i might as well ask the channel at large: has anyone managed to work around the gcc bug that causes the build to fail on an amd64 crosscompiler for the 68k? |
| 01:24:35 | linuxstb | I don't think so. |
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| 01:27:06 | kapheine | in an irc log i saw that amiconn attempted to build a canadian cross compile for a 32-bit machine and then build it with that, but i didn't see the outcome of that |
| 01:28:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Candian cross compile? |
| 01:29:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Canadian rather |
| 01:29:42 | kapheine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-compilation |
| 01:29:44 | kapheine | third paragraph |
| 01:30:12 | kapheine | in my case it is a 64 bit machine creating a 32-bit compiler that creates 32-bit m68k binaries |
| 01:30:28 | BHSPitLappy | haha |
| 01:30:46 | kapheine | although in my case it's a little weirder because the 64-bit and 32-bit machines are the same platform, but with different modes :P |
| 01:31:03 | BHSPitLappy | ...canada. |
| 01:31:25 | kapheine | i read that it was called that because at the time it was named, canada had three major parties |
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| 01:37:15 | sharpe | so like... what should i get started on first? |
| 01:37:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Graphics |
| 01:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, disks. |
| 01:37:59 | sharpe | but i've no way of testing graphics |
| 01:38:07 | linuxstb | kapheine: I'm pretty sure amiconn said that that attempt failed, but I can't remember why. |
| 01:38:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Well, if you didn't like the answer, why'd you ask? :-P |
| 01:39:08 | sharpe | didn't say i didn't like it :D i've just no way of testing if the graphics would work |
| 01:39:25 | kapheine | i guess the simpler option is to get a copy of gcc built on a 32-bit machine and then build the cross compiler with that. rather than building it using the 64-bit compiler. |
| 01:39:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: So do disks, *then* graphics |
| 01:39:54 | linuxstb | sharpe: I was just thinking that - you're in a catch-22... Is there a standard format for saved states in the C64 emulator world? Maybe adding support for those would be easier than tape/disk support, and a quicker way to start developing the graphics. |
| 01:40:23 | sharpe | i think there may be actually |
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| 01:42:00 | sharpe | .d64/.t64 it would seem |
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| 01:43:29 | sharpe | er, d64 is the disk image format |
| 01:43:43 | sharpe | t64 is the tape.. |
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| 01:47:19 | crashd | hmm |
| 01:47:25 | crashd | anyone know the best way to 'file' down silicon? |
| 01:47:34 | sharpe | a file? |
| 01:47:40 | crashd | but, does that work |
| 01:47:45 | sharpe | should... |
| 01:47:55 | crashd | as silicon seems like that kind of material that doesnt file well |
| 01:48:51 | kapheine | are you trying to remove some to get to a trace or are you trying to remove some length? :P |
| 01:49:15 | sharpe | or do you just have a block of sillicon you want to shape? :D |
| 01:49:21 | crashd | sharpe: a silicone case |
| 01:49:36 | sharpe | sillicone ? |
| 01:49:45 | crashd | silicone, yeah |
| 01:49:47 | crashd | not silicon ;) |
| 01:49:50 | crashd | sorry for the confusion |
| 01:49:51 | sharpe | ooh. |
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| 01:50:48 | crashd | i have a silicone case i need to file down, as my headphone jack doesnt sit well in the tiny hole provided by the ipod case |
| 01:50:53 | crashd | and need to make enough space so it fits snugly |
| 01:51:06 | sharpe | erm... a drill with a small drill bit? |
| 01:51:12 | crashd | maybe |
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| 02:00:45 | sharpe | i can't find any saved state formats... |
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| 02:01:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you think of any reason they wouldn't just dump the full memory contents? |
| 02:01:35 | sharpe | nope |
| 02:01:49 | sharpe | they also have to have the processor state too. but that's not a problem |
| 02:02:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well yeah. |
| 02:02:08 | sharpe | but, not really |
| 02:03:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could always find another open source C64 emulator and arbitrarily steal its save state format |
| 02:03:33 | sharpe | muahaha. |
| 02:03:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if it doesn't have one, you could arbitrarily create one, load up something with graphics, save the state, implement the state loading in yours, and then get to work. :-P |
| 02:04:08 | sharpe | heh |
| 02:04:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | But seriously. There's got to be a GPL C64 emulator with save states out there *somewhere* |
| 02:04:57 | sharpe | frodo, i think |
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| 02:05:25 | scorche` | ah...much better |
| 02:05:58 | scorche` | the previous cgi:irc that i was on had at least a 5 min lag in what i type, if it went at all |
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| 02:06:30 | linuxstb | sharpe: frodo isn't GPL'd (or compatible). So you can't keep any of the code... |
| 02:07:05 | sharpe | *sniffle* |
| 02:07:19 | linuxstb | You could try VICE: http://www.viceteam.org/ |
| 02:07:31 | sharpe | ah, i think that's the one i was thinking of... |
| 02:07:37 | sharpe | thank you |
| 02:08:32 | sharpe | now, if only the source was actually downloadable... |
| 02:08:53 | linuxstb | :) |
| 02:09:16 | Mikachu | it's the first link in the dowload section?? |
| 02:09:35 | linuxstb | It's in Debian... |
| 02:09:41 | Mikachu | # Source distributions: |
| 02:09:42 | Mikachu | * Tarball: vice-1.19.tar.gz |
| 02:09:56 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Try clicking on it... |
| 02:10:00 | sharpe | "Firefox can't find the server at www.zimmers.net." |
| 02:10:03 | Mikachu | ah okay |
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| 02:10:42 | scorche` | if it is GPL'd, you can always mail the guy and request teh code |
| 02:10:56 | Mikachu | only if you have the binary |
| 02:11:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, if the binaries aren't downloadable either... |
| 02:11:08 | Mikachu | or something |
| 02:11:18 | linuxstb | sharpe: Try this: http://fresh.t-systems-sfr.com/linux/src/vice-1.19.tar.gz |
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| 02:11:21 | Mikachu | and if he is the only copyright holder he can do whatever he wants anyway |
| 02:11:27 | sharpe | wooo! |
| 02:11:47 | sharpe | linuxstb: thanks |
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| 02:16:29 | sharpe | hmm, i'm oddly glad i have cygwin already installed... :) |
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| 02:26:39 | sharpe | well |
| 02:26:49 | sharpe | found the source for the "VICE Snapshot File\032" |
| 02:26:50 | scorche` | "With Virtual PC products, your customers can run multiple PC operating systems−−for example, Windows 98 and 2000, or two copies of Me−−on their Mac at the same time" |
| 02:26:53 | * | scorche` shivers |
| 02:27:01 | sharpe | heh |
| 02:30:21 | goffa | when one copy of more errors just isn't enough.. run 2 |
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| 02:32:05 | sharpe | what about three? |
| 02:32:14 | goffa | that'll work too :) |
| 02:32:48 | sharpe | i'm guessing you're thinking, anything more than zero right? |
| 02:33:17 | goffa | yep |
| 02:33:30 | sharpe | heh |
| 02:33:31 | goffa | you can start ME as many times as you want |
| 02:33:45 | sharpe | then you enable supah me mode! |
| 02:34:00 | goffa | and typically when running me you restart a lot |
| 02:34:32 | sharpe | i've never used me |
| 02:34:40 | Mikachu | i've used you |
| 02:34:42 | goffa | that's fortunate for you |
| 02:34:46 | sharpe | :D |
| 02:35:00 | goffa | 1 week you go bald |
| 02:35:08 | goffa | pulling out your hair |
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| 02:37:13 | sharpe | heh... |
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| 02:40:41 | sharpe | eh, i may design a format unique to c64box... :D |
| 02:47:57 | sharpe | woo spicy ramen |
| 02:55:47 | Hotfusion | ordered my x5l today. Whoo. I'm excited |
| 02:55:55 | Hotfusion | www.lemon64.com |
| 02:55:58 | Hotfusion | wonderful site |
| 02:56:28 | sharpe | yep |
| 02:56:42 | * | BHSPitLappy avoids all URLs with the string *lemon* now |
| 02:57:28 | twisted` | sharpe: u still wanted sharpe.bastardoperatorfromhell.org ? |
| 02:57:37 | * | scorche` gasps at BHSPitLappy |
| 02:57:52 | sharpe | sure |
| 02:58:11 | twisted` | sharpe: k |
| 02:58:17 | sharpe | heh, cool |
| 02:59:21 | * | BHSPitLappy gasps at scorche |
| 02:59:30 | * | sharpe gasps |
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| 03:00:37 | twisted` | sharpe: or do you want c64.bastard... ? |
| 03:00:46 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 03:00:58 | sharpe | ah... sharpe's fine... unless you want to do both or something. |
| 03:01:02 | Jungti1234 | http://club.iriver.co.kr/down/freeboard/e10+h300.jpg |
| 03:01:06 | sharpe | Jungti1234: Hello. |
| 03:01:18 | dpassen1 | the e10 looks so generic |
| 03:02:01 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 03:02:59 | sharpe | heh, i'm watching nickelodeon... |
| 03:03:35 | Jungti1234 | what is 'nordic'? |
| 03:03:37 | Hotfusion | Best thing iriver could od is redesign the H3xx series but keep the current funtionality but include new features. H10 not the best thing they did |
| 03:03:58 | sharpe | hailing from norway? |
| 03:05:13 | Jungti1234 | umm |
| 03:05:30 | Jungti1234 | northern europe? |
| 03:05:40 | sharpe | yeah, it's there |
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| 03:08:33 | Ninjaw | hello ppl |
| 03:08:50 | sharpe | hello |
| 03:09:00 | Ninjaw | i cant find my info |
| 03:09:09 | sharpe | for? |
| 03:09:21 | ashridah | we can't find your info either. |
| 03:09:27 | Ninjaw | will RockBox allow to use my fucking Ipod Nano on MacOs9 ? |
| 03:09:59 | sharpe | is your nano formatted for macos9, or windows? |
| 03:10:11 | ashridah | hm. good question. does macos 9 support fat32? |
| 03:10:13 | Ninjaw | strange question |
| 03:10:20 | Ninjaw | well |
| 03:10:28 | Ninjaw | macos9 support fat16 |
| 03:10:45 | sharpe | does it support fat32? |
| 03:10:53 | Ninjaw | grmlbl |
| 03:11:02 | Ninjaw | let me check my photo thing |
| 03:11:31 | Ninjaw | i got a Windows Mobile 2005 minisd card succesfully read on macos9 |
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| 03:12:32 | Ninjaw | ok i just plugged the thing |
| 03:12:37 | sharpe | when you ask, will rockbox allow you to use your nano on macos9, what are you asking? if it will let you transfer songs to your nano with rockbox installed? or...? |
| 03:12:37 | Ninjaw | it justs print 'FAT' |
| 03:12:45 | sharpe | fat32, i believe. |
| 03:13:22 | Ninjaw | yes |
| 03:13:38 | sharpe | then it should be able to transfer songs to it, if that's what you're asking |
| 03:13:46 | Ninjaw | no kidding ? |
| 03:13:54 | Ninjaw | because of the new fat system ? |
| 03:13:58 | sharpe | well, if it supports the fat file system |
| 03:14:05 | sharpe | then you mac should be able to... |
| 03:14:16 | scorche` | "naw fat system" |
| 03:14:18 | * | scorche` cakcles |
| 03:14:20 | sharpe | however your nano will have to be in disk mode to transfer the files |
| 03:14:27 | scorche` | bah...typoes galore |
| 03:14:29 | Ninjaw | how god |
| 03:14:44 | Ninjaw | and what is now the disk mode |
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| 03:14:55 | Ninjaw | (damn) |
| 03:14:56 | sharpe | when you plug in your nano, it should automatically go to the disk mode |
| 03:15:03 | Ninjaw | yeah ? |
| 03:15:05 | Ninjaw | i hope |
| 03:15:10 | sharpe | then when you unplug it, it should reboot into rockbox |
| 03:15:21 | Ninjaw | when i plug it actually |
| 03:15:38 | Ninjaw | it asks for looking to some drivers |
| 03:15:52 | Ninjaw | and refuse to show anything more |
| 03:16:06 | sharpe | hmm |
| 03:16:08 | Ninjaw | only itunes 2 on macos9 ... |
| 03:16:43 | Ninjaw | well i think i will give a try anuway |
| 03:17:15 | Ninjaw | i could have a look on macosX |
| 03:17:39 | Ninjaw | only last itunes coudl activate some disk mode on the itunes |
| 03:17:45 | Ninjaw | ipod |
| 03:18:13 | Ninjaw | i couldnt understand why MacOs9 is teh only OS not supported on nano |
| 03:18:19 | Ninjaw | so stupid |
| 03:18:40 | sharpe | i couldn't tell you |
| 03:19:10 | Ninjaw | i firstly think it will allow me the disk mode |
| 03:19:14 | Ninjaw | not a chance |
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| 03:19:39 | Ninjaw | well my last hope is on rockbox |
| 03:19:59 | Ninjaw | any chance of cover support on rockbox ? |
| 03:20:07 | sharpe | you mean album art? |
| 03:20:13 | Ninjaw | yep |
| 03:20:25 | Ninjaw | sorry to ask |
| 03:20:32 | sharpe | yeah, there is a patch for it currently, and it's a planned feature for later on |
| 03:20:33 | Ninjaw | cannot find a lot of screens actually |
| 03:20:44 | Ninjaw | ok thanx |
| 03:21:04 | sharpe | you're welcome |
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| 03:25:23 | aaronslife | does anyone have the halflife wad working on there rockbox doom? |
| 03:27:01 | scorche` | last i heard, someone was working on it |
| 03:27:11 | sharpe | same |
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| 03:37:26 | Hotfusion | just a question if a theme for rockbox is made for an iriver H3xx can you just put it in the rockbox for the x5l or would i have to do minor editing |
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| 03:38:00 | sharpe | do they have the same screen size? |
| 03:38:07 | scorche` | do they have the same resolution/size of screen? |
| 03:38:16 | scorche` | sharpe: ;) |
| 03:38:22 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:39:09 | sharpe | Hotfusion: if they do, you shouldn't have to change anything. |
| 03:39:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: The H300 is 220x176, the X5 is 160*128, so it won't really work. |
| 03:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: You CAN use H100 themes though, but none of those are in color. ;-) |
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| 03:41:17 | Hotfusion | screen size is about the same |
| 03:41:26 | Hotfusion | albumb art size may be just a little different |
| 03:41:33 | Hotfusion | albumn |
| 03:41:41 | sharpe | album? |
| 03:41:42 | sharpe | : |
| 03:41:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: The screen size *isn't* the same in pixels though, as I told you. |
| 03:41:52 | scorche` | Hotfusion: see Paul_The_Nerd 's response |
| 03:42:16 | Hotfusion | hmm there are some nice themes for teh h300 I'd like to use though |
| 03:42:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'll have to manually adapt them |
| 03:42:33 | scorche` | edit them |
| 03:42:57 | Hotfusion | yeah. Probalby something I'll have to figure out |
| 03:43:06 | Hotfusion | when i get my x5l. I'm sort of preparting :) |
| 03:43:11 | Hotfusion | preparing* |
| 03:43:34 | sharpe | hmm |
| 03:43:46 | sharpe | i'm going to get started on the graphics |
| 03:43:48 | sharpe | in a bit |
| 03:44:32 | Hotfusion | I just need to figure out how htose guys make those cool themes |
| 03:44:44 | Hotfusion | be better woudl be a site dedicated to themes for various players |
| 03:44:59 | Mikachu | wpsgallery on the wiki? |
| 03:45:05 | scorche` | Hotfusion: i am sure there is something about that in the wiki |
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| 03:45:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: I would recommend the CustomWPS wiki page to start. It contains everything you should need to know. |
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| 04:10:13 | Hotfusion | cool. probably gonna do some reading on it thanks paul. Ordered my iaudio x5l from newegg. Should get it middle next week sometime |
| 04:10:29 | sharpe | woo ! newegg! |
| 04:12:50 | Hotfusion | it was that or zipzoomfly whom with included shipping was the same exact price. But I never had problem with the egg |
| 04:13:24 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:13:32 | sharpe | i love teh newegg. |
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| 04:13:59 | lostlogic | me too. |
| 04:14:05 | sharpe | i have so many void return/argument functions in my source. :D |
| 04:14:06 | lostlogic | ordered a new digicam today, shipped with 4 hours of ordering. |
| 04:14:18 | sharpe | yeah, they're kickass... |
| 04:14:54 | Hotfusion | same here lost |
| 04:15:00 | Hotfusion | I was like whoa never was that fast before |
| 04:15:36 | lostlogic | Hotfusion: you read the anandtech.com article where they tour a newegg facility? pretty impressive how they handle it in order to provide the service they do. |
| 04:15:36 | sharpe | i ordered parts to build this computer from newegg... |
| 04:15:55 | sharpe | got them a day early actually. |
| 04:16:04 | Hotfusion | you ever see the newegg warehouse tour |
| 04:16:11 | Hotfusion | the way it's built is pretty state of the art |
| 04:16:37 | Hotfusion | nm lost already beat me to it |
| 04:16:39 | Hotfusion | heh |
| 04:17:14 | lostlogic | my digicam order actually shipped from 2 facilities, TN and CA, which is sad only because teh CA part will actually take all 3 days to ship where the TN part will probably be here on Monday. |
| 04:17:54 | Hotfusion | all parts in my computer is from newegg exept for my case |
| 04:18:06 | Hotfusion | when I orded most of my stuff it shipped from TN and CA |
| 04:18:21 | Hotfusion | in in GA so naturally CA do take a day or two longer |
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| 04:19:24 | sharpe | i think, the only part that didn't come from newegg, is this mobo. but it originally did, however it was taken to a shop because i forgot to put risers on the mobo... |
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| 04:19:45 | sharpe | so they charged 70$ for one i could've gotten off of newegg for 40$ or so |
| 04:19:58 | sharpe | and i also lost some bios features. |
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| 04:22:56 | sharpe | my friend wants me to build her a 1000 $ computer from newegg :D |
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| 04:26:02 | webguest07 | hi |
| 04:26:08 | sharpe | Hello. |
| 04:26:09 | webguest07 | when is the next version of rockbox going to be release? |
| 04:26:21 | sharpe | the next offical version? |
| 04:26:45 | webguest07 | yes |
| 04:27:04 | webguest07 | the one that supports iPod 5G |
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| 04:27:14 | sharpe | the current builds support the 5g... |
| 04:27:34 | webguest07 | the one with a working battery metre too |
| 04:27:41 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 04:27:47 | sharpe | they do... |
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| 04:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest07: Rockbox is updated several times a day. You can find changes on the front page of the site. There won't be "official" support of the 5G until maybe November, but current daily and bleeding edge buidls work quite well, and have a working battery meter (I believe) |
| 04:28:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unrelated question, to people in general: |
| 04:29:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | When shutting down, does it compare the config sector with current settings before overwriting, or does it just write no matter what? |
| 04:29:48 | webguest07 | ah, ok, I'll wait till then |
| 04:29:53 | webguest07 | prefer to get something that is a little more mature |
| 04:30:16 | sharpe | if you wish |
| 04:31:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest07: I'm guessing you really don't know what you mean by "mature" |
| 04:31:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest07: At least, you don't know enough about the actual project status to know whether it meets your qualifications, unless the word "Official" is the qualification. |
| 04:32:28 | webguest07 | I'm not meaning it to be an insult, I'm saying, 'mature' as it, 'has been beaten up a bit' |
| 04:33:03 | sharpe | it's not very, relatively new, support for the 5g. |
| 04:33:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest07: Yes, but what on Earth do you mean by that. The majority of Rockbox is several years mature. Most of the code of the iPod port is still at least a year old... |
| 04:33:52 | webguest07 | in regards to syncing music, how does one go about that? what type of system does it use? |
| 04:34:08 | webguest07 | Paull_The_Nerd: No need to get all defensive |
| 04:34:11 | sharpe | you copy said music to thine player. |
| 04:34:23 | sharpe | and you need a system that supports the fat file system. |
| 04:34:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest07: I'm not defensive. I'm querying as to what you qualify as mature since you're using rather subjective terms. |
| 04:34:54 | webguest07 | sharpe: so no need to use a special DB reader like one would with the current iPod firmware |
| 04:34:56 | Galois | I'm guessing that mature means "official" |
| 04:35:01 | webguest07 | you just dump the music on, and thats it? |
| 04:35:05 | sharpe | yes. |
| 04:35:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: That's what I asked, but he said "no, it means beat up a little" |
| 04:35:16 | webguest07 | Galois: yes, thats what I mean |
| 04:35:31 | Galois | well consistency has never been highly valued |
| 04:35:37 | webguest07 | yes, 'official release', meaning, 'new features have been adequately tested' |
| 04:35:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest07: What do you think the benefit of "official" would actually be? |
| 04:36:00 | webguest07 | well using that, why not run a beta version then? |
| 04:36:05 | sharpe | many of the planned 'official' features, are already working. |
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| 04:36:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha. |
| 04:36:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to say "Why not indeed?" |
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| 04:36:40 | webguest16 | sorry about that |
| 04:36:42 | webguest16 | stupid browser |
| 04:36:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: So, why not indeed? |
| 04:37:02 | sharpe | it helps make rockbox better :) |
| 04:37:06 | webguest16 | good question, becauase it has vugs |
| 04:37:09 | webguest16 | *bugs |
| 04:37:14 | webguest16 | just like my spelling :P |
| 04:37:25 | webguest16 | anyway, back to the 'copying of music' |
| 04:37:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: A) What bugs do you know of? B) You're assuming "Official" won't. Many people thought 2.5 was buggier than 2.4 |
| 04:37:39 | webguest16 | you just copy it to the device; no need to use the iTunesDV or anything like that? |
| 04:37:42 | sharpe | yes |
| 04:37:47 | sharpe | rockbox works as a filebrowser |
| 04:37:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: Yup. Entirely filetree based if you want it to be. |
| 04:37:54 | webguest16 | ah, cool, cool |
| 04:38:03 | sharpe | it also has a tagcache database, if you want to use that instead of the filebrowser |
| 04:38:04 | Galois | it's up to you whether to wait, but I use rockbox exclusively on ipod and I haven't encountered any notable bugs in the past week |
| 04:38:08 | webguest16 | and can ready m4a tags alright? |
| 04:38:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | m4a support needs someone to actually work on the codec some more. |
| 04:38:34 | lostlogic | there are lots of bugs, I write bugs on purpose. |
| 04:38:35 | lostlogic | :) |
| 04:38:37 | webguest16 | I'm going to move to ogg later on, but currently thats the situation |
| 04:38:40 | webguest16 | :P |
| 04:38:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, most iPod users, who seem to be the ones who care about m4a support, want to "wait for a better version" rather than "take steps to improve the current version" so it'll probably not happen any time soon. |
| 04:38:51 | sharpe | lostlogic: so you can be credited with fixing them, eh? :D |
| 04:38:57 | lostlogic | sharpe: of course :) |
| 04:38:59 | Hotfusion | share anyone new to building cmputers can make the riser mistake |
| 04:39:10 | Hotfusion | my friend did what you did and wondered why his board kept shorting out |
| 04:39:18 | sharpe | i just plainly forgot about them |
| 04:39:23 | webguest16 | Paul_The_Nerd: I'd prefer using ogg, but I'm going to have to re-rip my music again |
| 04:39:30 | Hotfusion | it was pretty hilarious |
| 04:39:33 | Hotfusion | I was like omg what! |
| 04:39:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: OGG on the other hand is *incredibly* well supported on iPod. |
| 04:39:51 | sharpe | i figured it out as soon as the board shorted out when the side of the case was tapped :D |
| 04:40:57 | webguest16 | Paul_The_Nerd: is there a m4a to ogg compressor; or better still, a m4a to wav, then wav to ogg thingy :) |
| 04:41:17 | sharpe | doesn't lame support encoding ogg's ? |
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| 04:41:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: That is a horribly bad idea. Lossy to Lossy is BAD stuff. |
| 04:42:20 | webguest16 | yeah, but some of my music *cough* isn't kosher |
| 04:42:43 | webguest16 | purchasing the kosher versions in the next few months, so thats all I have for now |
| 04:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, M4A support sometimes works. It's more of a song-by-song basis |
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| 04:44:16 | webguest16 | true |
| 04:44:27 | webguest16 | I haven't noticed any quality loss going from one lossless to another though |
| 04:44:50 | sharpe | ogg isn't lossless... |
| 04:44:57 | sharpe | nor is m4a... |
| 04:45:10 | webguest16 | sorry |
| 04:45:21 | webguest16 | I meant to say, moving from mp3 to m4a, I noticed no loss |
| 04:45:30 | sharpe | heh. |
| 04:45:33 | webguest16 | hence, there shouldn't be any loss going from m4a to ogg |
| 04:46:01 | * | Paul_The_Nerd cringes. |
| 04:46:48 | sharpe | if you want to think that... |
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| 04:46:59 | webguest16 | i mean, it would be no different that burning a m4a to a cd, then re-ripping it |
| 04:47:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which also to many people sounds quite bad. |
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| 04:48:22 | webguest16 | well, if one were worried about quality, one wouldn't use ogg or m4a :P |
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| 04:48:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a quality threshold. |
| 04:49:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both ogg and aac are capable of staying well above the transparency point, and usually don't introduce *too* many (if any) clearly noticeable artifacts. |
| 04:49:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | But once you start mixing lossy compressions by transcoding, you lower the quality/bitrate ratio, *and* increase the likelihood of audible artifacts. It's a lose-lose game. |
| 04:49:41 | webguest16 | true, I noticed some issues with a song from Rammstein |
| 04:50:25 | mtnbkr | I have RockBox on my ipod nano 4gb... Just noticed that I have 485 .ogg files on it, but it shows song playing x of 400, and when I hit the select button while a song is playing it brieifly says "Dir list full"... Is htere somthing I can do to get the last 85 songs to list/play? |
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| 04:51:09 | Mikachu | go to the settings and raise the limit |
| 04:51:12 | sharpe | yep. |
| 04:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | mtnbkr: In the menu there is a Limits section where you can set it to higher. |
| 04:51:15 | Mikachu | but why do you have 485 songs in one dir? |
| 04:51:26 | mtnbkr | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks |
| 04:52:07 | mtnbkr | Mikachu: well, sort of a long story... Short version is that I use Amarok to transfer songs to my non-iTunes db vfat-formatted nano |
| 04:53:53 | mtnbkr | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks I see it now. set it to 500 and will give it a shot. Thanks again. |
| 04:54:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | mtnbkr: I believe you have to do a proper shut down (hold play) and start up again for that one to take affect. |
| 04:54:46 | Hotfusion | so is ogg better on battery life or just better quality than just mp3 |
| 04:54:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | effect |
| 04:54:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: On ipod, both |
| 04:55:05 | webguest16 | gonna give it a go :) |
| 04:55:11 | Hotfusion | not necessarily on other players? |
| 04:55:29 | mtnbkr | all my songs have been ripped from CDs and encoded as -q8 oggs |
| 04:55:42 | mtnbkr | this nano seems to do quite well with them actually. |
| 04:56:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: On most players, MP3 has better battery life than Ogg (at the same bitrates) |
| 04:56:32 | webguest16 | hmm |
| 04:56:41 | webguest16 | how does that occur? does ogg need more processing power? |
| 04:56:45 | mtnbkr | Paul_The_Nerd: re: shutdown... I just plugged in the USB and then unplugged it... same same I guess. :) It no longer complains... |
| 04:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: Yup. Ogg is a more complex codec, but it just so happens to be more optimized on iPod right now. |
| 04:57:15 | mtnbkr | ...and I see 482 songs now... wonder where the last 5 went. :) |
| 04:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | mtnbkr: That doesn't always result in settings being saved, just as a heads up. |
| 04:57:29 | mtnbkr | s/5/3 |
| 04:57:39 | mtnbkr | Ok... Ill reset it. Thanks |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:10 | mtnbkr | 482 after shutdown/restart.. I BET that I manually deleted 3 of them from the ipod it self... I'll double check it later. I am VERY impressed with RockBox. |
| 05:00:16 | webguest16 | with the copying, I assume on can maintain their old directory structure, correct? |
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| 05:01:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: Any directory structure you want |
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| 05:01:57 | webguest16 | cool banana's :) |
| 05:12:12 | Hotfusion | hmm killing to many mages in obivion made my game freeze |
| 05:12:14 | Hotfusion | lol |
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| 05:16:55 | Hotfusion | gladI got the message script from omenserve. Hate thiese people with spam bots msg me |
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| 05:20:31 | webguest16 | The latest version of Rockbox; no problems anyone? |
| 05:20:44 | webguest16 | 20060421 specifically |
| 05:21:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: Just don't use a while playing screen with peakmeters. When you start up, choose "Browse Themes" and pick something else. :) |
| 05:21:38 | webguest16 | ah, ok |
| 05:21:53 | webguest16 | all I want displayed is the name, and thats it :P |
| 05:22:09 | sharpe | finally decide to use rockbox now, afterall? :) |
| 05:22:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest16: Well, most of them display quite a bit more than that, but if you read the CustomWPS page, you can figure out how to trim 'em down (or simply put the right single tag in a text file, with an alighment tag and be done with it:)) |
| 05:23:26 | webguest16 | ah, oh well, I'll experiment a little |
| 05:23:37 | sharpe | i just printed off 11 pages of information about the c64's vic chip... |
| 05:24:23 | sharpe | and i'm about to print more |
| 05:24:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tree murderer! |
| 05:24:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:25:05 | sharpe | what? they're already dead. may as well use the paper |
| 05:25:12 | sharpe | :) |
| 05:26:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'cuz of course they'd keep chopping even if nobody used paper. :-P |
| 05:26:33 | * | Paul_The_Nerd goes back to reading his book, and sipping his soda out of a paper cup. |
| 05:27:06 | Hotfusion | be a man paul |
| 05:27:12 | Hotfusion | drink from the 2 liter bottle |
| 05:27:17 | Hotfusion | :D |
| 05:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:28:09 | sharpe | or, the three liter. |
| 05:28:38 | sharpe | my printer settings are misleading |
| 05:29:05 | sharpe | the option to "print images in black and white" prints everything in black and white |
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| 05:35:19 | sharpe | and i just printed 16 more pages... :\ |
| 05:35:42 | * | mtnbkr prefers the 12oz bottles (or 16 oz pint glasses) of beer not soda of course |
| 05:36:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I prefer 1/2 litre bottles of soda. |
| 05:37:26 | sharpe | i prefer 20 oz bottles |
| 05:38:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I usually end up leaving about 100mL left over in a 20 oz, which I'll drink later usually. But it's easier just to have bottles the right size in advance. |
| 05:38:31 | sharpe | heh |
| 05:38:46 | sharpe | time to get started on the vic's multicolor text mode... |
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| 05:53:33 | Hotfusion | I can't get enough of code red |
| 05:53:35 | Hotfusion | good stuff |
| 05:53:57 | sharpe | heh |
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| 06:02:19 | sharpe | heh... films recorded at 24 frames per second normally run 4% faster on PAL... |
| 06:03:18 | axion_ | they are normally telecined |
| 06:03:37 | sharpe | i know |
| 06:04:06 | axion_ | yeah, i deal with it everyday. fun stuff :p |
| 06:04:32 | sharpe | :) |
| 06:06:21 | axion_ | in a perfect world, telecine would be standardized, instead of irregular patterns due to post-editing, etc |
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| 06:26:11 | twisted` | ey, anyone here happen to have any experience with formatting the iPod to a different fs? |
| 06:26:38 | twisted` | I totally fucked up my Pc and got no extra hd's... so I'm willing to sacrifice my iPod and format the fat32 so I can copy my /home to it... |
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| 06:27:23 | scorche | how exactly did you "fucked up your PC"? |
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| 06:27:30 | piroko | linuxstb: you up? |
| 06:28:26 | twisted` | scorche: funny story |
| 06:28:35 | twisted` | scorche: it started with me excited |
| 06:28:42 | twisted` | and is now still in the process |
| 06:28:53 | twisted` | and now I'm in state of killing people |
| 06:29:03 | twisted` | but if I don't touch the first iPod partition |
| 06:29:08 | twisted` | it's safe to do whatever the hell I want right? |
| 06:29:41 | piroko | speaking of ipod, has anything been done with udelay yet to fix the freeze-after-71-minutes bug? |
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| 06:31:44 | sharpe | wow twisted`. |
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| 06:33:36 | twisted` | man I feel pwnd in teh butt |
| 06:33:51 | piroko | yay linuxstb! |
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| 06:35:12 | twisted` | fuck |
| 06:39:38 | scorche | twisted`: you still havent told me what you did to your box |
| 06:39:56 | twisted` | scorche: man... I tried to get XGL right? |
| 06:40:05 | twisted` | scorche: so I followed the guide, updated my debian |
| 06:40:16 | twisted` | but the update from their repository went wrong |
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| 06:40:24 | twisted` | it told me to rm a file, so I did... seemed harmless |
| 06:40:32 | twisted` | it went paranoid, I updated shit, reinstalled |
| 06:40:39 | twisted` | blablabla... eventually I was like, FUCK THIS SHIT |
| 06:40:52 | twisted` | and grabbed my debian cd, tried to install... but it refused! |
| 06:40:56 | twisted` | ubuntu did so too!!!! |
| 06:41:05 | twisted` | so gonna cp my /home to my /ipod |
| 06:41:12 | twisted` | and be happy afterall |
| 06:41:17 | twisted` | cus I get a fresh clean everything |
| 06:41:18 | twisted` | w00t |
| 06:42:14 | mtnbkr | any devs here? |
| 06:43:31 | sharpe | maybe... |
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| 07:05:43 | twisted` | k, question |
| 07:05:52 | twisted` | about an iPod :) |
| 07:06:03 | twisted` | I can "repair" it with that Windows tool right? |
| 07:06:12 | twisted` | so it puts back the firmware etc... right? |
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| 07:11:58 | sharpe | twisted`: yeah |
| 07:15:31 | twisted` | kewl... |
| 07:15:48 | twisted` | so I can just format the /dev/sda2 to ext2 and then later format it back to fat32 right? |
| 07:15:58 | twisted` | or use the Repair Tool |
| 07:15:58 | twisted` | kewl |
| 07:16:01 | sharpe | heh |
| 07:16:46 | twisted` | lalalala |
| 07:16:56 | twisted` | I wonder, if I partition it |
| 07:16:59 | sharpe | any success with that account? :P |
| 07:17:04 | twisted` | will the firmware go nuts and think: WTF |
| 07:17:11 | sharpe | probably |
| 07:17:15 | twisted` | or will it play just that partition? |
| 07:17:21 | sharpe | wait, which firmware? |
| 07:17:21 | twisted` | cause it uses the second one right |
| 07:17:29 | twisted` | uhh rockbox will play it |
| 07:17:32 | twisted` | I meant original |
| 07:17:36 | twisted` | cause I still use both |
| 07:18:04 | twisted` | cus maybe I'll pop on a linux distro on my iPod |
| 07:18:06 | twisted` | would be neat |
| 07:18:07 | twisted` | :D |
| 07:18:14 | sharpe | i don't know what the original firmware would do... |
| 07:18:39 | twisted` | hmm... I'll check it out soon |
| 07:18:42 | twisted` | probably BLOW up |
| 07:18:44 | twisted` | LOL |
| 07:18:57 | sharpe | well, it may be covered by warranty |
| 07:21:23 | twisted` | rofl |
| 07:22:15 | twisted` | twisted @ the Apple Store, lady: Hi, how can I help you? "Yeah I kinda like formatted my second partition which was FAT32 to ext2 to make a backup of my pc... but now my iPod won't turn back into an iPod and it like... blew up 'n shit..." *women starts to drool* |
| 07:23:44 | sharpe | "somehow the hdd platters are... embedded in... the wall..." |
| 07:24:07 | scorche | "and my left testicle" |
| 07:24:14 | sharpe | ... |
| 07:24:21 | scorche | ow... |
| 07:24:31 | twisted` | damn |
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| 07:25:25 | twisted` | actually I don't think the ipod should give a fuck if the second partion is like... 40gb instead of the usual 52gb |
| 07:25:35 | twisted` | tho it means less music... but I do have portable Linux of 12gb |
| 07:25:38 | twisted` | that'd be insane... |
| 07:26:05 | amiconn | kapheine: Indeed I tried to perform a 'canadian crosscompile' (build system: i686, host system: x86_64, target: m68k) but already failed in the necessary first step (building an x86_64 crosscompiler on i686). I got a gcc build error as well. Perhaps I should retry with a newer gcc... |
| 07:26:34 | sharpe | you kbow what else you could do? carry around an install cd. smaller, and can expand into that 12gb at any given time. |
| 07:26:40 | kapheine | amiconn: do you remember what version of gcc you were using? |
| 07:26:58 | twisted` | sharpe: I can't go and reinstall people's computer... |
| 07:27:08 | twisted` | sharpe: hmm... intresting... I could... what they gonna do? stop me? |
| 07:27:13 | amiconn | Not exactly. Iirc I tried 4.0.?? and 3.4.5 in the 1st step |
| 07:27:15 | sharpe | sure you can. just while they're away. |
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| 07:27:37 | twisted` | no one in his right mind leaves me alone with THEIR pc |
| 07:27:55 | twisted` | cus they know I start installin software... |
| 07:27:58 | kapheine | okay.. i tried 3.4.6 and 4.0.2 for a normal adm64->m68k build.. but i guess i'll try the 4.0.2 canadian crosscompile and see if i have better luck than you did |
| 07:28:05 | twisted` | I still wanna go to someone's pc and install Bonzi Buddy |
| 07:28:16 | sharpe | that's not very nice... |
| 07:28:17 | scorche | like"server.exe"? |
| 07:28:20 | twisted` | that'll piss 'em off :P |
| 07:28:39 | twisted` | well... n00bs will like Bonzi Buddy |
| 07:28:47 | sharpe | "innocentprogramthathasanopenport.exe" |
| 07:28:51 | scorche | smitfraud/vcodec sucks |
| 07:29:04 | twisted` | format.exe ^_^ |
| 07:29:15 | amiconn | kapheine: I tried 3.3.6, 3.4.5, 3.4.6, 4.0.2, 4.0.3 and 4.1.0 for a normal amd64->m68k build. I even tried to modify the function which xgcc stumbles upon, to no avail |
| 07:29:28 | twisted` | Win+R -> format.exe -f C:\ |
| 07:29:44 | twisted` | pretty damn sure it won't bitch in the beginning |
| 07:29:51 | scorche | i prefer deltree |
| 07:30:04 | twisted` | tho there's one lil file |
| 07:30:06 | twisted` | move that |
| 07:30:08 | twisted` | windows goes NUTS |
| 07:30:21 | amiconn | For the canadian cross, you'll first need a i686->x86_64 crosscompiler. That's where I failed already... |
| 07:30:24 | twisted` | I fucked all pc's on school like that |
| 07:30:31 | twisted` | I just renamed hal.dll to ibm.dll |
| 07:31:01 | kapheine | amiconn: it seems odd that nobody on a 64-bit machine has a compiler for the 68k, but maybe.. i could try posting to the coldfire mailing list |
| 07:31:41 | amiconn | The bug is already reported to the gcc team, but it seems the gcc team prefers to ignore bug reports :/ |
| 07:31:57 | kapheine | i saw that, although the lastest 'version' of the bug was only posted a month ago, i think |
| 07:32:09 | amiconn | I have another open bug report with nothing happening |
| 07:32:56 | kapheine | didn't egcs come about because the gcc team was too slow to respond, and then they fizzled out because the gcc team caught up? Maybe a project like that will make a return :P |
| 07:33:34 | kapheine | I haven't taken a decent look at what is actually causing the compile error. I don't have high hopes, but it might be worth a few minutes to look at it. |
| 07:33:54 | amiconn | The other bug was actually a design decision in 4.0 which hard-stops us from using gcc 4.0 and up for sh1 (archos) |
| 07:34:16 | amiconn | They could have made that behaviour an option, but nooo.... |
| 07:34:20 | kapheine | Do you have a link to the bug report? I'm just curious.. |
| 07:35:20 | twisted` | amiconn: except when it can be fixed to enable a virus :P |
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| 07:37:05 | amiconn | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24863 |
| 07:39:42 | kapheine | Ahh, almost half a year ago too |
| 07:40:27 | amiconn | yepp :( |
| 07:41:51 | amiconn | It's clearly valid code what we're doing in system.c, we're weak-aliasing symbols that are defined in the same translation unit, just that these symbols are definied within an asm block... |
| 07:42:37 | amiconn | Since gcc does not catch these, an option to disable this check would be sufficient. I don't even ask to change the default behaviour... |
| 07:45:15 | kapheine | I just send an email to the coldfire mailing list about the cross-compile issue. I'll let you know if anyone has a helpful answer. |
| 07:46:03 | kapheine | -d+t |
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| 08:20:50 | Moos | Morning |
| 08:21:07 | amiconn | moorning :) |
| 08:21:40 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 08:21:44 | Moos | Hi amiconn |
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| 08:42:06 | twisted` | I've been copyin to what?! |
| 08:42:08 | twisted` | DAMNIT |
| 08:42:20 | twisted` | I mounted it as FAT32, formatted it, but never remounted it afaik |
| 08:43:07 | sharpe | :O |
| 08:43:15 | twisted` | DAMNIT |
| 08:43:20 | twisted` | dmesg was FULL of errors |
| 08:43:26 | twisted` | but cp never gave ONE SINGLE ERROR |
| 08:44:07 | Galois | twisted` ftw |
| 08:44:18 | twisted` | iPod went nuts on booting it :P |
| 08:44:36 | twisted` | Galois: uh?! |
| 08:44:39 | twisted` | ftw? |
| 08:44:54 | twisted` | man... I just wasted 2 hours!!! |
| 08:45:24 | Galois | linux is user friendly, really, it's just choosy about its users |
| 08:53:54 | twisted` | LOL |
| 08:54:07 | twisted` | I mean... the iPod just... threw itself offline |
| 08:54:11 | twisted` | scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 |
| 08:54:14 | twisted` | scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 08:55:45 | Hotfusion | `what do I search in the wiki for custom themes and how to edit them etc |
| 09:00 |
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| 09:29:55 | twisted` | wow |
| 09:30:02 | twisted` | it seems... that the iPod just got lazy after the copy |
| 09:30:05 | twisted` | and the files are there! |
| 09:30:08 | twisted` | YIPPIE |
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| 09:35:23 | Hotfusion | hmm, wish that darn UIsimulator was still supported |
| 09:35:54 | midkay_ | Hotfusion, what? which? the old windows one? |
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| 09:36:43 | Acksaw | whats the page for the rockbox webcam again? |
| 09:36:45 | Hotfusion | I guess. I was looking at the wiki and it wasn't for download anymore. I'd like to edit the H300 ones I like and make it fit for the x5l see what I could do with it before i get my player wednesday |
| 09:37:41 | midkay | Hotfusion, ah. |
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| 09:44:58 | Hotfusion | may take me awhile to sort though the abbreviations for some of these functions on the wiki heh |
| 09:46:25 | sharpe | eh, i think i'm becoming somewhat of an insomniac again. :) |
| 09:48:17 | sharpe | considering the fact it's almost four in the morning... |
| 09:48:20 | Hotfusion | I'd like to know why the up button is gretyed out |
| 09:48:34 | Hotfusion | going from Rockbox WPS to EZ WPS |
| 09:48:53 | sharpe | what do you mean? |
| 09:49:18 | Hotfusion | wamt to see the WPS languange in simple terms in the EZ WPS box |
| 09:49:25 | Hotfusion | so I can understnad wth I'm seein |
| 09:49:27 | Hotfusion | lol |
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| 09:51:45 | sharpe | gah... i may go stare at mosaic a few more hours... |
| 09:52:06 | Galois | NCSA Mosaic?? |
| 09:52:54 | sharpe | no... |
| 09:53:06 | sharpe | rockbox mosaic plugin. |
| 09:53:09 | sharpe | :D |
| 09:54:38 | sharpe | there's an ant on my wall... |
| 09:54:52 | Hotfusion | torture it |
| 09:54:56 | Hotfusion | magify glass time |
| 09:55:01 | Hotfusion | magnify* |
| 09:55:02 | sharpe | it's night here |
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| 09:55:11 | Hotfusion | use a desk lamp |
| 09:55:19 | sharpe | bulb's burnt out |
| 09:55:20 | Hotfusion | or a high powered halogen bulb |
| 09:55:28 | sharpe | don't have any |
| 09:55:46 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Do you get this lcd shutdown problem on your mini? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 |
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| 09:55:58 | Hotfusion | im toying around with some sample themes |
| 09:56:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. Happens on other grayscale ipods (4g) as well |
| 09:56:28 | Hotfusion | seeing how its all placed but if I can somehow put the token langueage into the EZ WPS box from the Rockbox WPS box |
| 09:56:36 | amiconn | It seems we should shut down the lcd controller before shutting down the hw |
| 09:56:38 | Hotfusion | I may understand the position of the stuff better |
| 09:57:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: Same as every other ipod then... |
| 09:58:07 | amiconn | Hmm. I wonder whether this would be a good idea in general |
| 09:58:23 | amiconn | We don't shut down the lcd controller on any other target |
| 09:58:42 | sharpe | i still haven't done anything with the emulator... |
| 09:59:00 | sharpe | god. today's saturday. |
| 09:59:26 | linuxstb | So there are no shutdown problems with the H300's LCD? I thought that was very similar to the ipod Color/Photo LCD. |
| 09:59:43 | amiconn | The lcd controller is exactly the same |
| 09:59:52 | amiconn | Renesas HD66789R |
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| 10:00:11 | amiconn | Btw, what was the shutdown problem on ipod color? |
| 10:00:33 | petur | linuxstb: mabe because you can't see anything on a h300 LCD without backlight? |
| 10:00:34 | linuxstb | The last image stays there, and then takes a couple of minutes to slowly fade away. |
| 10:00:48 | amiconn | Aha, hmm. |
| 10:01:10 | linuxstb | petur: It's hard to see without a backlight on the ipod, but you can just about make it out. |
| 10:01:15 | amiconn | The H300 lcd is pitch black w/o backlight, so I don't know whether the same thing happens |
| 10:01:26 | amiconn | The panel is obviously different |
| 10:02:07 | midkay | amiconn, i always hear that the lcd can't be seen when the backlight is off, pitch black, etc.. is it the design (a flaw)? or does it literally shut off when the backlight is off? |
| 10:02:12 | midkay | the H300 LCD, that is. |
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| 10:02:54 | Moos | X5 LCD is readable without backlight :P |
| 10:03:08 | linuxstb | The comment that surprised me in that bug report was that he says that the line that stays visible after shutdown then doesn't work when you turn the ipod back on. |
| 10:03:10 | amiconn | This is the case with most colour LCD panels except some newer ones for portable devices |
| 10:03:44 | midkay | amiconn, ah, so it's just a matter of being very hard to see. |
| 10:03:55 | linuxstb | Moos: Do you get anything left on the screen when you shutdown your X5? |
| 10:04:00 | amiconn | midkay: Very very very hard to see |
| 10:04:11 | midkay | amiconn, haha. got it :) |
| 10:04:28 | amiconn | It's visible in direct sunlight, or a halogene lamp very near to it, lighting a bit from the side |
| 10:04:42 | Moos | linuxstb: what do you mean? when shutdown some pixels disapering... |
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| 10:05:17 | linuxstb | Moos: After you shutdown Rockbox, is the LCD completely clear, or are any artifacts left? |
| 10:05:45 | Moos | during few ms there are |
| 10:05:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: When shutting down the mini, the LCD image 'breaks down', and a horizontal line appears in a random position. This line then disappears after a few seconds |
| 10:05:54 | Hotfusion | if something it %p5 is is that telling me |
| 10:05:58 | Hotfusion | what* |
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| 10:06:31 | amiconn | When powering on again, it *sometimes* happens that this line reappears (not completely black but considerably darker than the rest of the display), then slowly fades over time |
| 10:06:52 | linuxstb | OK, so that sounds the same as the bug report. |
| 10:07:52 | amiconn | Maybe it depends how fast the voltage is decreasing, determining whether the LCD controller manages to auto-shutdown properly |
| 10:08:49 | amiconn | Atm I am unable to reproduce the effect (the line appearing after startup that is. The line flashing at shutdown happens everytime) |
| 10:10:05 | linuxstb | Hotfusion: %p5 is used in a conditional tag to indicate that the volume is at level 5 (on a 0-10 scale I believe). |
| 10:10:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know who's knowing the wps code well? |
| 10:11:01 | linuxstb | No. I can't remember anyone doing any real work on it recently. |
| 10:11:13 | amiconn | There's a bug in the %x tag parsing. |
| 10:11:35 | Hotfusion | nm |
| 10:11:36 | linuxstb | What's that? |
| 10:11:36 | amiconn | If you give a %x tag, but omit the coordinates, the wps loader hard crashes |
| 10:11:45 | Hotfusion | the p5 is actually ps |
| 10:11:51 | Hotfusion | looks like a 5 in the E-Z WPS |
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| 10:12:40 | amiconn | (on Ondio it jumps to a nonexistent memory location, leading to an IllInstr exception) |
| 10:12:51 | Hotfusion | doesnlt look to hard to edit, may take some time to learn it though |
| 10:12:56 | Hotfusion | doesn't* |
| 10:14:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: This is especially nasty if you edit your current wps via USB, and make that mistake. Then the device will crash right on startup... |
| 10:16:16 | linuxstb | So a bad line would be something line "%s|a|filename.bmp|" ? Or without the last | ? |
| 10:16:45 | linuxstb | ^something like... |
| 10:19:59 | amiconn | This was also without giving it a letter. The exact line that triggered the bug was: |
| 10:20:11 | amiconn | %x|back.bmp| |
| 10:20:47 | amiconn | (unconditional display) |
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| 10:25:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: I can't see that syntax in CustomWPS - i.e. an id seems to always be required. |
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| 10:27:22 | tobi-wan | thanks once again for all your help yesterday. i have to admit that it was indeed my fault (unsurprisingly). today, it works like a charm and i like rockbox very much! |
| 10:29:13 | linuxstb | That's good. There aren't any developers with greyscale 4Gs, so it's probably the most likely iPod to have bugs. But I'm glad all is well. |
| 10:29:42 | Hotfusion | I take it the X and Y coordinates are represented in pixels? |
| 10:29:54 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 10:30:40 | Hotfusion | yeah I guess when trying to figure the position it's like change upload see what it looks like. not right change and upload again |
| 10:31:15 | tobi-wan | linuxstb: that, indeed was the error. i do not possess such an ipod :o) i can only blame the vodka i drank beforehands, otherwise i'd have to say i am plain dumb |
| 10:31:36 | linuxstb | :) Which ipod do you have? |
| 10:32:10 | linuxstb | The symptoms did sound like the bootloader was working, but without any LCD updates. |
| 10:32:17 | tobi-wan | it's a 2g mini |
| 10:32:27 | tobi-wan | which won't work with the bootloader image of 4g, obviously |
| 10:32:44 | tobi-wan | thing is: it was greyscale and looked similar... so i was too lazy to search for the package it came in |
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| 10:39:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: I didn't say the syntax is correct, but bad syntax shouldn't crash rockbox |
| 10:41:18 | linuxstb | Of course it shouldn't crash, but the reason is not the lack of co-ordinates, it's the lack of an id. I'm looking at it now. |
| 10:43:37 | linuxstb | This code is in need of cleaning.... Every tag is "hand-parsed", meaning lots of error checking and possible places for bugs. |
| 10:46:36 | amiconn | Hmm, you're right, CustomWPS says an id is required for unconditional images as well. I wonder why though. |
| 10:48:45 | midkay | amiconn, to keep a 52 limit maybe? |
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| 11:03:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: Fix committed, but I can't guarantee that that function is completely robust. I'm hoping the WPS token parser patch has a more robust parsing technique. |
| 11:06:45 | amiconn | Perhaps (hopefully) it will also be more efficient regarding code size. Hand-parsing and error-checking every tag sounds like a lot of code. |
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| 11:09:55 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if it will be that significant, but at least it should give a more robust parser with the same or less code. |
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| 11:20:24 | petur | bbl |
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| 11:31:53 | midkay | amiconn, something must be up with your build server.. |
| 11:34:14 | amiconn | Oh, hmm |
| 11:34:25 | * | amiconn wonders what happened |
| 11:34:39 | * | midkay is slightly curious too |
| 11:35:04 | amiconn | My native gcc seems to have disappeared... |
| 11:36:06 | amiconn | Hmm, seems I made a mistake in synaptic. Fixed now |
| 11:36:13 | midkay | gcc bandits! :O.. or not. |
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| 11:38:23 | petur | hahaha somebody made an ipod shuffle wiki page |
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| 11:38:28 | * | linuxstb gives amiconn 80 points |
| 11:38:39 | amiconn | Hehe, 'thanks' |
| 11:38:42 | * | petur goes and creates an ipod shuffle WPS gallery page |
| 11:38:49 | linuxstb | lol |
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| 11:39:49 | linuxstb | I think the shuffle would be a fun target. There also seems quite a few other players based on similar sigmatel chips (but with LCDs). But a C compiler would be helpful. |
| 11:42:18 | petur | clever guys, the flash is on a daughter board (keypad) |
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| 11:50:13 | linuxstb | Can anyone find where the default WPS is defined? |
| 11:50:38 | midkay | linuxstb, is it actually in the code somewhere? |
| 11:50:53 | linuxstb | I'm assuming it must be somewhere.... |
| 11:51:06 | midkay | line 2460-ish of gwps-common.c i think. |
| 11:51:46 | amiconn | petur: Did you read my remarks in UsbOnTheGoSupport (especially those about bootkeybard and bootmouse classes)? |
| 11:51:55 | linuxstb | Ah, thanks. |
| 11:52:07 | * | petur goes reading |
| 11:52:11 | midkay | np |
| 11:53:05 | linuxstb | I know it's a hack, but I would quite like to disable the peakmeter in the default WPS for the iPod (or maybe all players). It almost always causes audio skips, which isn't a good first impression to give new users... |
| 11:53:25 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 11:53:39 | amiconn | Peakmeter never caused skips on any player here... |
| 11:54:05 | linuxstb | On the ipod it does with the majority of codecs. |
| 11:54:11 | midkay | linuxstb, i wouldn't mind, on the iPods it does seem to hurt rather significantly.. |
| 11:54:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, then my mini2g must be special |
| 11:54:36 | linuxstb | Almost every day, someone posts on the ipod forum complaining that audio skips, and telling them to use a WPS without peakmeter always seems to fix it. |
| 11:54:56 | crashd | amiconn: perhaps it's the fact it's got a tiny screen ;) |
| 11:55:03 | amiconn | mp3 is one of the most demanding codecs on ipod, correct? |
| 11:55:36 | amiconn | 99% of my tracks are fairly high bitrate mp3, and I don't experience skips |
| 11:55:47 | amiconn | I can make it skip - if I enable eq |
| 11:55:52 | linuxstb | So you use the peakmeter? |
| 11:55:57 | amiconn | yes, always |
| 11:56:28 | linuxstb | I'm guessing it must be the LCD - the peakmeter probably causes more LCD updates. |
| 11:59:55 | amiconn | The peakmeter does a partial update of the peakmeter area only |
| 11:59:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to remember someone talking about how the peakmeter uses full instead of partial updates. |
| 11:59:55 | midkay | linuxstb, right, i think the normal update rate is HZ/5 but the peak meter updates itself like HZ/20.. |
| 11:59:55 | amiconn | petur: I can't find the difference between your usbotg0.1 and 0.2 patches... |
| 11:59:55 | petur | in isp1362_init (isp1362.c) |
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| 12:00:48 | Rusty|afk | hi |
| 12:01:00 | Rusty|afk | how can i use *.patch files on rockbox? |
| 12:01:10 | crashd | Rusty|afk: please read the wiki section entitled Working With Patches |
| 12:01:22 | crashd | just type 'patches' into the search box on the main rockbox page |
| 12:01:27 | linuxstb | So what do people think? Leave the peakmeter in the default WPS, remove it for some ipods, or remove it for all targets? |
| 12:01:34 | Rusty|afk | k thx |
| 12:01:39 | crashd | linuxstb: personally, i'd remove it on the default WPS for ipods |
| 12:01:47 | crashd | as the peakmeter does affect my listening (5g) |
| 12:01:48 | midkay | linuxstb, not for all targets, no.. IMO.. |
| 12:01:56 | crashd | at least, on the ipods with big screens |
| 12:02:02 | crashd | video, color/photo |
| 12:02:06 | midkay | it runs just fine on the archoses at the least.. |
| 12:02:20 | Galois | removal for ipods sounds good to me. The CPU drain causes quite a few complaints |
| 12:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It's definitely at least a problem on all colour iPods. |
| 12:03:39 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: even the nano? |
| 12:04:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed. |
| 12:04:11 | crashd | :o damn |
| 12:04:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't use 'em myself, but I've read complaints about 'em on the Nano |
| 12:04:22 | amiconn | petur: Ah, yes. Iiuc this fix won't change the access through CS3. |
| 12:04:47 | amiconn | Peakmeter runs fine on all targets, except 5g and color/photo it seems |
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| 12:05:51 | amiconn | I think it's a combination of the mp3 codec being as demanding as it is now and the slightly higher amount of data involved in the colour lcd update |
| 12:06:05 | amiconn | Btw, I have no problems on H300 even with a large peakmeter |
| 12:06:05 | petur | amiconn: special function gpio pins are set to 'function' default at reset, you think I should set it to function explicitly? |
| 12:06:39 | amiconn | (The peakmeter scales itself to font height and I am running my H340 with a 24px font in the car) |
| 12:06:39 | linuxstb | We know that the H300's LCD update is a lot faster than the Color/Photo. |
| 12:07:32 | Rusty|afk | how can i usw the patches for the themes? |
| 12:07:43 | amiconn | We know that it's faster in comparison to the 5g. color/photo isn't present on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 12:07:53 | Rusty|afk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches hasn't helped me very well :/ |
| 12:08:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: ...and it's not that lot faster, less than twice comparing the transfer rate |
| 12:08:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll run some tests... But I seem to remember the Color/Photo is around 75fps at full speed. |
| 12:08:56 | amiconn | The proper fix would be to optimise libmad for arm... |
| 12:09:23 | linuxstb | Yes. I don't like hiding bugs, but we're not going to forget to do that... |
| 12:09:39 | linuxstb | Or at least, not forget to hassle preglow until he does that. |
| 12:09:39 | Rusty|afk | how can i usw the patches for the themes? |
| 12:09:51 | crashd | heh, poor preglow ;\ |
| 12:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm pretty sure people have complained with even the most efficient codecs (FLAC), so I'm wondering if it's really just the LCD update. |
| 12:09:53 | amiconn | I can make my mini2g not skip even with eq enabled by upping the max cpu clock, but on other ipods we don't have that option, and it will of course cost battery |
| 12:10:00 | linuxstb | Rusty|afk: The same way as all other patches. |
| 12:10:20 | crashd | im gonna do some testing on the 5g this weekend re: skips and stuff |
| 12:10:41 | crashd | as loads of people report them, but the only time i get problems is when scrolling fast through stuff and playing |
| 12:11:02 | crashd | anywho, bbl |
| 12:11:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Well, it's true they're not causing issues on my Nano any more. I know they used to, but it's been a while since I've used a WPS with peakmeters. |
| 12:12:32 | petur | amiconn: just checked in the debug screen: GPIO_FUNCTION bit 11 is 0 so it's special function |
| 12:13:08 | amiconn | petur: As mentioned, I expect a reset line connected somewhere... |
| 12:14:06 | petur | I asked Linus if he could find the connections to the isp1362 but I don't think he got far |
| 12:14:25 | petur | he gave me the iriver fw to look at instead ;) |
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| 12:28:22 | petur | amiconn: are you still looking for the h300 disassembly? |
| 12:29:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: With the max. cpu clock upped to 96MHz, my mini2g doesn't skip even with mp3, all 5 eq bands enabled and peakmeter in wps. |
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| 12:29:45 | amiconn | (but boost ration is around 90% - that's of course w/o peakmeter since there is no peakmeter in the audio debug screen |
| 12:30:10 | amiconn | It seems the eq is rather demanding on arm, not only the mp3 codec... |
| 12:30:26 | midkay | eq most of all, i think. |
| 12:30:51 | linuxstb | So it seems we need about a 20% speed improvement to get it all working at 75MHz... |
| 12:31:25 | amiconn | 90MHz were not enough, it still skipped |
| 12:32:27 | amiconn | Even at 96MHz, rebuffering literally takes ages |
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| 12:35:13 | amiconn | So we need at leat 28% speedup to get it all working at 75MHz, but preferably more |
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| 12:38:09 | amiconn | petur: yes. |
| 12:40:40 | petur | amiconn: getting my PM? |
| 12:41:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: I've now monitored boost ratio a bit longer. With 96MHz, 5 eq bands and ~200kbps mp3 it stabilises at ~84% |
| 12:41:58 | amiconn | (while no rebuffering is going on) |
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| 12:42:10 | amiconn | I'll test the same files w/o eq |
| 12:42:42 | linuxstb | What cpu speed is the PP5022 rated at? Is it 100MHz? |
| 12:43:08 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:43:26 | amiconn | The PP5020 is rated 80MHz |
| 12:43:42 | linuxstb | A battery test with the max speed at 96MHz could be interesting - to see if it differs from 75MHz. |
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| 12:44:20 | amiconn | Shouldn't differ much for the same files, because the higher max. clock will cause a lower boost ratio |
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| 12:49:32 | ashridah | woot |
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| 12:49:39 | * | ashridah now owns an athlon 64 x2 4800+ |
| 12:50:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: Disabling eq but leaving all other conditions the same, boost ratio dropped to 48% |
| 12:50:43 | amiconn | So it seems eq eats a lot of cpu power |
| 12:50:46 | linuxstb | Ouch. |
| 12:51:05 | linuxstb | ashridah: Nice build server for Rockbox.... |
| 12:51:15 | linuxstb | (apart from m68k....) |
| 12:51:18 | ashridah | i don't have the bandwidth for that, sadly. |
| 12:51:36 | ashridah | linuxstb: i'm not going to be running an amd64 distro just yet. |
| 12:51:46 | ashridah | probably wait until after this semester's over to do major reinstallation work |
| 12:52:10 | amiconn | Calculating a value proportional to the consumed cpu cycles: cycles = boosted_percent * 96 + (1 - boosted_percent) * 30 |
| 12:52:54 | amiconn | 8544 with eq, 6168 without |
| 12:52:55 | linuxstb | I don't know if the eq can be optimised any more though - preglow's already written an ARM version. |
| 12:52:59 | ashridah | all i know is that this is by far the shiniest cpu i've ever owned. |
| 12:53:28 | ashridah | pity it's a paperweight until my case + psu arrive on monday :( (two whole days, aaah!) |
| 12:54:06 | linuxstb | Did we come to a conclusion about icode on the ipods? Should I disable it for the PP502x, leaving it there for PP5002? I think I'm in favour. |
| 12:54:07 | amiconn | Erm, of course cycles = boosted_percent * 96 + (100 - boosted_percent) * 30 |
| 12:54:11 | midkay | linuxstb, is preglow's ARM EQ in cvs already? |
| 12:54:18 | linuxstb | midkay: Yes. |
| 12:54:27 | midkay | hm, must have missed that.. |
| 12:54:40 | linuxstb | apps/eq_arm.S |
| 12:55:09 | linuxstb | Committed on the 1st Feb. |
| 12:55:50 | midkay | linuxstb, ah, very long ago then.. thx :) |
| 12:56:35 | linuxstb | Yes, before we got audio on the 5g I think. |
| 12:57:18 | midkay | must have been, yeah. |
| 12:58:13 | novimon | how big job it is make ipod 5g theme to work with nano? |
| 12:58:30 | novimon | just resizeing / changing font? |
| 12:58:30 | * | midkay yawns and heads out.. night all |
| 12:58:57 | linuxstb | Yes, but "just resizing" can be a lot of work. You'll have to change the co-ordinates for all the bitmaps as well. |
| 12:59:15 | linuxstb | But if there are not very many bitmaps, it should be relatively easy. |
| 12:59:39 | novimon | oh, yeah, thats true :/ |
| 12:59:58 | novimon | It would rock if there would be a script for that |
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| 13:00:13 | linuxstb | But a lot of the co-ordinates are the same - i.e. displaying different images in the same location, or displaying images in the same row. So search-and-replace in your editor will help. |
| 13:01:28 | novimon | there are some pretty sweet themes for the 5g! :) |
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| 13:05:32 | linuxstb | Anyone know how I can check to see if a pre-processor symbol is defined to be empty - i.e. a #if expression to distinguish between "#define X" and "#define X 1", without explicitly testing for #if X == 1 |
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| 13:18:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Afaik there's no simple way to do this, and it's also impossible to distinguish an empty macro from a macro with the value 0 |
| 13:18:55 | Acksaw | sorry for the spam |
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| 13:22:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think that's my conclusion. I can just define another macro - something like NO_X |
| 13:22:33 | amiconn | I wonder what you want to do... |
| 13:23:56 | linuxstb | It's removing icode from the ipods. The ARM assembler functions don't use ICODE_ATTR, but specify the section explicity. But there are a few ways to handle that. |
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| 13:27:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you agree with removing icode and therefore long jumps from the PP502x builds? |
| 13:27:27 | amiconn | Wouldn't #if ICODE_ATTR work? |
| 13:28:32 | linuxstb | No - that translates to #if __attribute__ ((section(".icode"))) |
| 13:28:37 | amiconn | (provided the non-empty version evaluates to something non-zero) |
| 13:28:50 | linuxstb | ... and gives a syntax error. |
| 13:29:00 | amiconn | hmm |
| 13:31:06 | amiconn | I'm not 100% decided. You checked that there is no speed penalty? |
| 13:31:35 | amiconn | We will still need a proper solution for PP5002 |
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| 13:33:10 | linuxstb | There was a tiny speed penalty - I think 75% boost without icode, and 74% boost with. This was for some MP3 files. Tremor doesn't use ICODE because the code is too big. |
| 13:33:31 | linuxstb | But maybe that 1% can be recovered by putting some more data in iram. |
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| 13:34:02 | linuxstb | The boost was around 90% without any iram usage at all. |
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| 13:37:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Couldn't you just check for CPU_PP5020? |
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| 13:38:02 | amiconn | So far we only know that PP5020 can live without icode, and PP5002 probably not. |
| 13:38:25 | HeikoGrossstueck | t0mas? Badger? anyone of you here? |
| 13:38:37 | amiconn | What we don't know is how iriver iFP and gigabeat will behave |
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| 13:42:22 | amiconn | (the latter only if the port willever happen, of course) |
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| 13:43:47 | amiconn | Running rockbox as a linux app (on target, using SDL) sounds like a weird idea. Mucho overheado... |
| 13:43:59 | linuxstb | I don't know about the gigabeat, but DRAM and IRAM on the iFP are close enough to not need long calls, so I can at least safely disable long calls there. |
| 13:45:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: Inefficient, yes. But a lot easier to implement. |
| 13:45:55 | linuxstb | (and safer) |
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| 13:48:04 | amiconn | Said inefficiency won't cause skips on gigabeat I presume, since it has got a fast cpu, but it will cut down battery runtime |
| 13:48:11 | linuxstb | Checking for PP5020 moves the "no icode for this target" definition into lots of different places. My preference would probably be for something like a HAVE_ICODE_ATTR define. |
| 13:48:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that's my thought. 300MHz should be enough... |
| 13:48:44 | linuxstb | (assuming Toshiba run it at that speed) |
| 13:48:46 | amiconn | A proper rockbox port to gigabeat could offer longer battery runtimes than the retail firmware |
| 13:49:32 | amiconn | (and also leave more cpu power for things like decoding video) |
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| 13:50:07 | |sam| | good day |
| 13:50:17 | linuxstb | Yes, the gigabeat would seem to be the perfect device for video - unless there is a severe LCD bottleneck in the design. |
| 13:50:20 | t0mas | yes? |
| 13:50:27 | t0mas | HeikoGrossstueck |
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| 13:51:02 | HeikoGrossstueck | i want to set up a server. |
| 13:51:03 | amiconn | I would think that hardware access on gigabeat should be relatively easy to figure out. |
| 13:51:11 | t0mas | ok, great |
| 13:51:18 | amiconn | It's running linux, so the driver code should be opensource |
| 13:51:23 | t0mas | but I'm really sorry... I have an appointment at 14:00 |
| 13:51:31 | t0mas | please read the wiki page |
| 13:51:31 | amiconn | Otherwise toshiba is violating the gpl |
| 13:51:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: That doesn't follow... (it should, but it doesn't) |
| 13:51:38 | t0mas | install the compilers etc |
| 13:51:45 | linuxstb | Just think of the binary drivers available for desktop linux. |
| 13:51:48 | t0mas | and contact me or Bagder to help you |
| 13:51:51 | HeikoGrossstueck | okay. i hen i learn for university ;) |
| 13:51:54 | t0mas | maybe lostlogic is availible too |
| 13:51:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: They're violating the gpl as well |
| 13:52:52 | linuxstb | I agree - but my understanding is that Linus Torvalds has said he is happy to tolerate that, and presumably all other kernel copyright holders have followed suit. |
| 13:52:55 | HeikoGrossstueck | okay, i mail you if i have set up gcc as needed |
| 13:53:43 | amiconn | Iiuc the gpl says that everything that interacts with the os more closely than an ordinary program has to be opensource if the os is gpl |
| 13:53:46 | t0mas | (oh and you can't reply to privmsg... have to register/login with nickserv first) |
| 13:53:58 | amiconn | That's certainly the case for kernel modules... |
| 13:54:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes. As I said, I fully agree with you, but it seems it's not being enforced. |
| 13:54:43 | ashridah | and, infact, they've been given more or less a written exemtion from the license, within reason. |
| 13:55:10 | HeikoGrossstueck | i don't think that i will phone you ;) |
| 13:55:30 | linuxstb | The other part of the GPL is that (IIRC) it defines the "source" to being everything needed to recompile and install the binary. And Toshiba don't give you the scripts needed to install your own modified kernel. |
| 13:55:31 | HeikoGrossstueck | but i wll register with nicksave in the next minutes... |
| 13:55:58 | ashridah | but it definently sounds like toshiba are screwing people around (surprise surprise) |
| 13:56:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Another violation then... |
| 13:56:48 | linuxstb | Yep. I don't own a gigabeat, so I'm not in a position to complain to them. And markun didn't seem to want to take that issue forward either. |
| 13:56:51 | amiconn | Still, if it's possible to put own software on the gigabeat and run it on the installed linux kernel, it should be possible to figure things out |
| 13:57:23 | linuxstb | I don't think even that is straightforward though. |
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| 13:57:42 | linuxstb | But the kernel modules provided are helpfully unstripped... |
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| 13:57:57 | amiconn | Oh ,they are? |
| 13:58:03 | linuxstb | So a simple arm-elf-objdump is very informative. |
| 13:58:11 | amiconn | yes, definitely |
| 13:58:30 | ugglguggl | is there anyone from germany here? |
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| 13:59:43 | linuxstb | So I definitely think the gigabeat port is feasible. It's just that I don't think anyone has both the skill and the time to do it. I've been tempted to buy one, but just can't justify a 5th mp3 player to myself... Maybe if an 80GB version is launched. |
| 13:59:49 | linuxstb | bbl. |
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| 14:00:24 | Vladoman | germany, yes |
| 14:00:59 | amiconn | Oh, Vladoman is around :) |
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| 14:01:17 | amiconn | Vladoman: Did you try wavplay on an old archos? |
| 14:01:23 | Vladoman | not yet |
| 14:01:27 | Vladoman | does it works? |
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| 14:02:10 | Vladoman | and .... does it play OGG? |
| 14:02:21 | amiconn | wavplay works, even on Ondio |
| 14:02:32 | amiconn | Of course it doesn't play ogg |
| 14:02:39 | Vladoman | I know :-) |
| 14:03:01 | Vladoman | does it record? |
| 14:03:17 | amiconn | Right now it plays 16bit wav files at all common sample rates, both mono and stereo |
| 14:04:06 | Vladoman | great! |
| 14:04:09 | amiconn | When it gets integrated into the main playback engine, it will also play 8bit wav, probably simple compression schemes like adpcm, and of course aiff |
| 14:04:43 | Vladoman | Yes, something like IMA ADPCM should be doable |
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| 14:05:06 | amiconn | Recording is not yet done, but should be relatively straightforward. [IDC]Dragon tried it without success |
| 14:06:05 | Vladoman | I'n *not* asking: will it encode OGG? :-) |
| 14:06:09 | amiconn | I still have my asm optimised transfer loop (the one that's too fast for the mp3 encoder) |
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| 14:06:46 | Vladoman | Well, the makes likes in niiice and slooow |
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| 14:06:57 | Vladoman | Er,, the MAS likes it nice and slow |
| 14:07:22 | Jungti1234 | hello |
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| 14:11:13 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 14:11:14 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060422-210425.PNG |
| 14:11:39 | Jungti1234 | Why does it happen? |
| 14:11:53 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060421-235859.PNG |
| 14:12:05 | Jungti1234 | It too |
| 14:14:21 | amiconn | The chessbox error happens because you have a saved status from an older version. |
| 14:15:31 | amiconn | Start chessbox, and the press Rec to restart the game from the beginning |
| 14:15:48 | amiconn | The error shouldn't happen again afterwards |
| 14:16:10 | Jungti1234 | Then, first case? |
| 14:17:07 | amiconn | Sorry, I don't know what happened there... |
| 14:17:48 | Jungti1234 | I'm going through much strange case. |
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| 14:18:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be helpful if you explained under what conditions you got the first case, and which how old/new of a build you're using, and whether it has any patches or is clean. |
| 14:19:52 | ugglguggl | see ya people |
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| 14:20:41 | Jungti1234 | Status of battery that Rockbox looks now makes me confusedly. |
| 14:21:45 | Jungti1234 | I'm not sure, but it isn't problem of my battery. |
| 14:22:00 | Jungti1234 | maybe |
| 14:23:41 | amiconn | bah. |
| 14:23:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah you say? |
| 14:24:05 | amiconn | midkay isn't around... His updated vkeyboard busy-loops (!) |
| 14:24:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | ech |
| 14:27:00 | Jungti1234 | Paul_The_Nerd? |
| 14:27:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: You didn't actually answer any of my questions... |
| 14:27:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: What do you do that causes the first one? How do you make it happen again? |
| 14:27:54 | Jungti1234 | You spoke me to explain it. |
| 14:27:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: Also, how old is your rockbox version, and does it have any patches? |
| 14:28:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: It only happens when the battery is low then? |
| 14:28:35 | Jungti1234 | I turn on my H300, and pressed play(ing?) button. |
| 14:29:01 | Jungti1234 | It was build of yesterday. |
| 14:29:20 | Jungti1234 | CVS Build of yesterday |
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| 14:29:52 | Jungti1234 | It happens sometimes when battery fulled. |
| 14:30:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: So it only happens when trying to resume playback, or does it happen when you press Navi on songs or playlists as well? |
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| 14:31:51 | Jungti1234 | former |
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| 14:33:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: And it's a completely clean CVS build, or does it have any patches? Also, how long have you been having this problem? |
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| 14:35:05 | Jungti1234 | former |
| 14:35:38 | Jungti1234 | I experienced often that problem. |
| 14:35:51 | Jungti1234 | often -> Sometimes |
| 14:36:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but when did it start? |
| 14:37:45 | Jungti1234 | When turn on power and pressed play button |
| 14:38:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. For how many days have you had this problem? |
| 14:38:51 | Jungti1234 | days? |
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| 14:39:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | On what date did you first have this problem? |
| 14:39:07 | Jungti1234 | It wasn't many. |
| 14:39:24 | Jungti1234 | It doesn't know well. |
| 14:39:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you try older versions and see when it stops? |
| 14:39:50 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 14:40:37 | Jungti1234 | There was it for a long time. |
| 14:41:04 | Jungti1234 | It wasn't solved for a long time. |
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| 14:41:25 | Jungti1234 | And I don't know why that problem happens. |
| 14:41:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait, I thought you said it wasn't many... |
| 14:41:39 | mirak | is charging from usb supported by rockbox ? |
| 14:41:47 | mirak | for H300 |
| 14:42:10 | Jungti1234 | Even if I use older version, I can't reappear again that problem. |
| 14:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, can you figure out which version the problem starts with? |
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| 14:46:20 | Jungti1234 | It's difficult to answer. |
| 14:47:58 | Jungti1234 | I used Rockbox since October(September?), 2005. later that problem saw perhaps 5 times. |
| 14:48:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it's always happened for you? |
| 14:48:21 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 14:48:32 | Jungti1234 | SOMETIMES |
| 14:48:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | By "always" I mean "It has occurred occasionally since you began using rockbox" |
| 14:49:21 | Jungti1234 | hmm, yes.. |
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| 14:49:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody else has reported this problem. It may just be your player. |
| 14:50:04 | Jungti1234 | ah? |
| 14:50:33 | Jungti1234 | I witnessed that problem sometimes(often...?). |
| 14:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the only person who has reported this problem is you. |
| 14:53:20 | Jungti1234 | hehe, Is it good? |
| 14:54:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'm saying that I think the problem is more likely a hardware issue than a Rockbox issue. I'm not saying it's certain, but I think that is the most likely case. |
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| 14:55:08 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 14:55:23 | Jungti1234 | My H300 is bad, now. |
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| 14:55:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know. |
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| 14:59:22 | amiconn | I wonder what testing midkay did before committing his vkeyboard changes. Must have been next to none, grmpf. :-( |
| 14:59:58 | amiconn | With current cvs, if you're playing music and the try to e.g. rename a file, music stops within a few seconds |
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| 15:00:07 | amiconn | (because of the busyloop) |
| 15:00:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch |
| 15:01:16 | amiconn | Fix coming up, which will also simplify things |
| 15:02:07 | ashridah | ah, the joys of co-operative multitasking |
| 15:08:02 | amiconn | No, the disadvantage of not thinking and/or not testing |
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| 15:09:03 | Mikachu | with a forced thinger it still would have taken 50% cpu |
| 15:12:16 | amiconn | Busy looping might have been okay on a single thread OS running on a desktop machine (read: MS-DOS), but not anything else |
| 15:16:31 | petur | does the fmradio load presets support multiple files? because filetree.c does weird things |
| 15:17:28 | amiconn | Hmm, I discovered another bug on ipod. When plugging in USB while or after playback, the ipod doesn't reboot into disk mode. Instead it just shows the USB icon and sits there. The harddisk icon is also active... |
| 15:17:55 | amiconn | Maybe this only happens with voice enabled though |
| 15:18:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: What do you mean "multiple files?" |
| 15:19:07 | petur | choosing between different fmr files |
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| 15:19:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Yeah. At least, I can browse several preset files, but it won't show nested directories so they all have to be in the root of that folder |
| 15:19:41 | petur | i don't understand what ft_enter does |
| 15:21:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't know. I tend to be on the "Can I use it?" end of things. And at least as of a few days ago I could load .fmr files fine from the browse presets option |
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| 15:22:04 | petur | I'm trying to fix http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5137 - there's something very wrong in filetree.c |
| 15:23:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Can you put the .fmr files in the root, and click on them to load them? |
| 15:24:59 | petur | that works ok |
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| 15:25:26 | petur | but not if I browse from within radio |
| 15:26:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it has something to do with the mode it sets the filetree intO/ |
| 15:26:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | o? |
| 15:27:00 | lostlogic | whee, actually got multiple clips of voice to play in a row. |
| 15:27:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd personally like to also see the ability to organize fm presets into folders, but thats me. |
| 15:27:30 | petur | bah... it compares buf with the presetpath but afaic buf conatins path and filename :/ |
| 15:27:43 | petur | *contains |
| 15:27:43 | amiconn | petur: It is on purpose that sub-browsers don't show nested directories |
| 15:27:52 | petur | I know |
| 15:27:57 | amiconn | And the names in the bug report are indeed rather long |
| 15:28:16 | amiconn | Afaik, the limit is 24 chars, in order for them to be stored in the config sector |
| 15:28:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yes, but a much longer name works if you just put the .fmr in the root and click on it. |
| 15:28:27 | petur | aha |
| 15:28:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Meanwhile it fails to load at all from the subbrowser, but fails gracelessly (no error message, just doesn't work) |
| 15:29:06 | petur | it's the storing into the settings that fails - thansk for the tip! |
| 15:29:20 | amiconn | Yes, but a .fmr file (or .wps, or .fnt for that matter) is only temporary while such a file in its respective directory would be permanent |
| 15:29:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
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| 15:29:44 | amiconn | ...and as such has to be stored in the config block |
| 15:30:07 | amiconn | That's all documented behaviour (probablky not yet for .fmr, but for the others) |
| 15:30:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | To me the real concern is lack of feedback. I personally have no problem with things not working when they shouldn't, but it's nice to know why. :) |
| 15:30:45 | petur | hmmm what to do if the user makes the name to long, shorten it? |
| 15:30:47 | amiconn | This limitation will go away when we switch to .cfg file only, but that won't happen before 3.0 |
| 15:30:54 | petur | s/to/too |
| 15:31:11 | lostlogic | petur: you were right with to ;) |
| 15:31:16 | amiconn | petur: Not accepting the file is the only option right now |
| 15:32:08 | petur | lostlogic: s/to long/too long |
| 15:32:28 | petur | happy now? |
| 15:32:31 | amiconn | away |
| 15:33:34 | petur | set_file() just copies part of the filename (the part that fits) |
| 15:34:14 | lostlogic | petur: lol, I thought I looked for another instance of to, but I'm too dumb :) |
| 15:34:32 | lostlogic | what does a Stkov ata mean!? |
| 15:34:39 | lostlogic | and why would http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.new;topicseen#new <−− cause it? |
| 15:35:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Stack Overflow. |
| 15:35:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why it'd get through the first few seconds. |
| 15:36:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it when it starts (or finishes) buffering that it happens I wonder? |
| 15:36:14 | lostlogic | must have to do with buffering. |
| 15:36:37 | lostlogic | does stkov ata mean it's a stack overflow in the ata code!? |
| 15:36:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's what it sounds like. |
| 15:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least to my unknowing eyes. |
| 15:37:03 | ravon | Damn makefiles are even more encrypted than perl |
| 15:37:05 | lostlogic | blah |
| 15:37:56 | lostlogic | *growl* a decision I made on the pcmbuf to waste up to X bytes at the end of the pcmbuffer to ensure that the chunk size handed to the DMA would never be smaller than X bytes is now officially biting me in the ass. |
| 15:38:08 | petur | amiconn: #define MAX_FILENAME 20 |
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| 15:39:18 | petur | the same limit applies also for backdrop,... |
| 15:40:22 | petur | it's a wonder nobody complained that my_nice_backdrop_that_I_made.bmp doesn't work |
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| 16:00:07 | petur | bah unicode |
| 16:00:19 | ashridah | humbug |
| 16:00:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | The BOM thing? |
| 16:01:47 | petur | save_preset_list() passes the complete path to kbd_input - that should probably be only the filename, no? |
| 16:02:00 | petur | as you're not allowed to schange the path |
| 16:02:07 | petur | change |
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| 16:02:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | What happens if you type ../ in the filename? |
| 16:03:05 | * | petur doesn't want to try ;) |
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| 16:05:52 | petur | bbl |
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| 16:17:45 | * | Febs just ordered his iPod 5g. |
| 16:18:32 | Mikachu | i try ordering my nano too, but it never does what i tell it to |
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| 16:18:55 | linuxstb | lostlogic: IIUC, "stkov ata" means that the last word in the ATA thread's stack has been overwritten. This might not have been done by the ATA thread, but by something else misbehaving. |
| 16:19:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine's got "sit" and "stay" down pat, but "roll over" is clearly beyond it. |
| 16:19:11 | markun | linuxstb: yes, the kernel modules are quite useful in figuring out how the components are connected to the CPU |
| 16:19:25 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: haha |
| 16:19:27 | linuxstb | markun: We're all waiting impatiently for the port :) |
| 16:20:00 | markun | I hope I can convince Shonky to help with a normal rockbox port |
| 16:20:29 | Febs | linuxstb, you mentioned the button combinations on the 5g yesterday. 5g has, what, 5 buttons plus the scroll functions? Compared to nine buttons on the iriver platforms? |
| 16:21:10 | Mikachu | 6 with the hold button, if you're desperate |
| 16:21:30 | linuxstb | Febs: Yes - it has the clickwheel, 4 buttons hidden underneath the clickwheel, a center button and a hold switch. |
| 16:21:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: 7 if you count Headphone insert. :-P |
| 16:21:54 | Mikachu | i was thinking that too :) |
| 16:22:11 | linuxstb | Unplug the headphones to run in Doom? |
| 16:22:16 | Febs | I played with one at the Apple Store in San Francisco the other day. |
| 16:22:26 | linuxstb | Are you going for the 30GB or 60GB? |
| 16:22:31 | Febs | 60GB. |
| 16:22:57 | linuxstb | And I hope black... |
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| 16:23:07 | Mikachu | racist |
| 16:23:09 | Febs | I almost bought one right then and there, but I'm glad I waited, because I just got mine for $365 USD instead of $399. |
| 16:23:21 | Febs | Black, of course. |
| 16:24:07 | Febs | I love my H340, but I've been traveling so much that it will be nice to have (a) more HD space, and (b) smaller form factor. |
| 16:24:40 | linuxstb | $365 should be 204 UK Pounds, but Apple sell them for 299 UK pounds... |
| 16:25:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch |
| 16:25:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even $399 should be a lot less than that. |
| 16:25:51 | linuxstb | The 30GB is 219 UKP. |
| 16:25:55 | Febs | Apple should pay Rockbox a commission. |
| 16:26:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but $399 is the 60gb price. |
| 16:26:07 | linuxstb | That reminds me, how's the poll going? |
| 16:26:38 | Febs | Which poll? |
| 16:26:46 | linuxstb | 38.6% of ipod/Rockbox users bought their ipod specifically to run Rockbox. |
| 16:26:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | 20 in either "I bought it for rockbox" or "If I hadn't already had one, I would've bought one for RB" and 24 in "No influence" |
| 16:26:58 | Febs | Ah. |
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| 16:27:27 | Febs | I certainly wouldn't have bought mine if I had to be limited to Apple's crappy EQ presets. |
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| 16:27:40 | Febs | Not to mention iTunes. Blech. |
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| 16:27:47 | lostlogic | linuxstb: hmm.... I'll hafta look into what the lpayback code would be doing in that particular situation and how it would possibly cause somebody to misbehave |
| 16:29:31 | linuxstb | Febs: Lots of people seem to actually like itunes, and get very defensive about it - "drag and drop is too complicated"... |
| 16:30:04 | Febs | I know. My dad loves being able to put a CD in the computer, press one button, and have it show up on his iPod. |
| 16:32:17 | linuxstb | I'm guessing your Dad isn't impressed by Rockbox then? |
| 16:32:17 | Febs | He understands how to drag and drop, but he just prefers the convenience of iTunes. To each his own. |
| 16:32:30 | Febs | I haven't even bothered to try to get him to use it! |
| 16:32:36 | TeaSea | I <3 the audiocd: interface on KDE. |
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| 16:32:57 | Febs | I once tried to set him up with CDex/LAME to rip his CDs instead of whatever crappy ripping program he was using. |
| 16:33:06 | Febs | He didn't like it because it took too long. |
| 16:33:26 | Febs | The fact that his crappy ripping program left noticeable glitches in his music didn't bother him. |
| 16:33:48 | Febs | Of course, we're talking about the guy who tends to set his EQ so that his music sounds like it's coming from an AM radio ... |
| 16:35:18 | OnkelJonas | hi... I'm using rb on an iriver h120 - is it possible to partition the drive and still have rb working? |
| 16:35:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | OnkelJonas: I believe Rockbox will only see the files in the first partition, which must remain Fat32 |
| 16:36:15 | linuxstb | Rockbox uses the first FAT32 primary partition it finds. It doesn't support extended partitions. |
| 16:36:28 | linuxstb | No idea about the iriver firmware though. |
| 16:36:39 | OnkelJonas | so if the first partition is say ext2 and the second is fat32, rb should work? |
| 16:36:41 | lostlogic | w00t w00t w00t, voice actually works with some minimal level of consistency! |
| 16:36:53 | OnkelJonas | haven't booted the original in months |
| 16:37:35 | linuxstb | OnkelJonas: Yes, it should do. You should always be able to use the bootloader USB mode to restore it if it doesn't. |
| 16:37:57 | Febs | linuxstb, one last question: does RB currently support line out on the iPod through a dock? |
| 16:38:18 | linuxstb | Febs: Yes - if it's a simple dock. Apple's "Universal Dock" seems to cause problems. |
| 16:38:24 | OnkelJonas | kk... thx - didn't want to try if it was know to be impossible :) |
| 16:38:38 | lostlogic | I'm about to commit a really big patch. I expect it to break things. On the other hand, I think that it needs to be in CVS so that others (amiconn, hardeep) can see where voice is now. |
| 16:38:50 | linuxstb | go go go |
| 16:39:05 | linuxstb | It's the weekend... Best time to break things. |
| 16:39:32 | Febs | :) |
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| 16:40:01 | * | Febs readies himself for a flood of "Rockbox freezes" threads at Mistic River. |
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| 16:40:07 | linuxstb | What do you plan to use the line-out with? |
| 16:40:37 | lostlogic | shit. I totally forgot the really big mp3 resuming bug that I left in there. |
| 16:40:43 | Febs | (1) Headroom Total Bithead headphone amp, and (2) car stereo. |
| 16:40:51 | lostlogic | resuming mp3s is broken pending. |
| 16:41:18 | lostlogic | linuxstb: what ideas do you have for the 8 bytes problem... because well it is why resuming mp3 is broken. |
| 16:41:39 | linuxstb | Why would that break resuming? |
| 16:41:57 | lostlogic | I hacked around it to make voice work, and the hack breaks resuming |
| 16:42:04 | lostlogic | :-\ |
| 16:42:38 | linuxstb | A simple fix, would (I think) be to make mpa.c always tell libmad that there are 8 more bytes available in the buffer than there really are. |
| 16:42:50 | lostlogic | linuxstb: will test. |
| 16:44:08 | linuxstb | Febs: You might be interested in this (a head-fi regular): http://www.audiolineout.com/ |
| 16:44:38 | lostlogic | Febs: I think I've managed to kill all the freezes, and actually voice worked reliably with glitches occasionally in the voice clips for me. I'm sure I missed things though. |
| 16:45:09 | lostlogic | (the glitches happen when the DMA / fiq reads over the chunk voice is being inserted into) |
| 16:47:19 | lostlogic | linuxstb: seems to work, at least better than my hack, so I'll commit it for now. |
| 16:47:32 | ashridah | hehe. 'mroe stable'. |
| 16:48:03 | lostlogic | ashridah: ? |
| 16:48:11 | ashridah | your commit :) |
| 16:48:20 | lostlogic | ashridah: try voice, it is mroe stable |
| 16:48:29 | lostlogic | doesn't randomly break / randomly make music stop working afaics |
| 16:48:36 | Febs | linuxstb, thanks for the link. I'm not a big believer in super high-end snake-oil cables, but for only about $10 more than a cheap storebought dock adaptor, the build quality alone probably makes those worthwhile. |
| 16:48:51 | ashridah | i was laughing at the spelling :) |
| 16:49:50 | lostlogic | ashridah: bagh! just be glad the damn thing compiles and I didn't typo the line that says "Destroy ashridah's music collection" |
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| 16:50:59 | linuxstb | Febs: I contacted the guy who makes those cables yesterday, and he will hopefully build me a line-in adapter so I can try and get line-in recording working. |
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| 16:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: *gasp* A warning! |
| 16:51:52 | lostlogic | uhoh 64bit warning |
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| 16:55:01 | lostlogic | now *shudder* to merge that commit with my metadata patch |
| 16:57:00 | Febs | linuxstb, nice! Line-in recording would be great. Do you know if the hardware has sufficient gain to do external mic recording without a pre-amp? |
| 16:58:25 | linuxstb | I've no idea. |
| 16:58:50 | Febs | Hmmmm. I'll bet my headphone amp could serve as a makeshift mic pre. |
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| 17:01:05 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I think "MAD_BUFFER_GUARD" would have been better than "8" in your hack... |
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| 17:04:09 | ravon | What am I doing wrong here? What do I need to change in the makefiles to get my codec library to compile? |
| 17:05:01 | linuxstb | Does codecs/Makefile have a reason to compile your library? i.e. do any of the targets depend on it? |
| 17:05:30 | ravon | Hmmmm, maybe it doesn't in the simulated version. |
| 17:05:53 | linuxstb | Yes - there are separate parts of the Makefiles for the sim... |
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| 17:07:31 | ravon | Cygwin SDL goes under win32 emulation, right? |
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| 17:07:47 | ravon | simulation... |
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| 17:08:07 | |Unknown| | hey whats up with http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060422.zip |
| 17:08:11 | |Unknown| | it doesnt work |
| 17:08:32 | linuxstb | I don't think so. But adding an "echo" into the Makefile will tell you which parts are being executed. |
| 17:08:48 | ravon | linuxstb: oki, thanks |
| 17:08:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Just use a bleeding edge instead, then. |
| 17:09:44 | linuxstb | |Unknown|: Or replace "download" with "www" in the address. |
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| 17:12:31 | lostlogic | linuxstb: what, you don't like having random "128" and "256" and "8" and "44100" running around the code? |
| 17:14:08 | linuxstb | Call me old-fashioned... |
| 17:14:20 | lostlogic | fixed, with a comment too :) |
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| 18:10:23 | SereR0KR | http://www.doomcenter.de/sereroku/ipod/legodock/ <- :> |
| 18:11:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah |
| 18:11:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not only is it just legos built *around* a normal dock, but there is some use of *tape* |
| 18:11:29 | SereR0KR | ;> |
| 18:12:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Considering a few of the things I've seen made with Legos, that one is a little below par. ;-) |
| 18:12:52 | SereR0KR | -.- |
| 18:13:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | SereR0KR: Sorry, but after this: http://acarol.woz.org/ very little has a chance of impressing me, I think. |
| 18:14:22 | linuxstb | Very nice, but does it run Rockbox? |
| 18:14:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh |
| 18:14:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | The next port! |
| 18:15:46 | SereR0KR | -.- |
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| 18:35:57 | OnkelJonas | did the voice patches do anything nasty to the builds? |
| 18:36:17 | * | OnkelJonas has a newly formated player that needs an install... |
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| 18:55:43 | preglow | lostlogic: MAD_BUFFER_GUARD is already defined in mad.h |
| 18:55:48 | preglow | no need to define it again |
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| 19:16:50 | * | preglow hopes apple will go for coldfire with their next ipod :> |
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| 19:50:40 | amiconn | preglow: Did you see my mini2g test results with 96MHz and EQ in the log? |
| 19:51:27 | preglow | nope, reading the logs takes too much time for me to bother it these days |
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| 19:52:39 | amiconn | preglow: Check today 12:29 thru 12:55 |
| 19:52:43 | amiconn | afk again |
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| 20:05:14 | preglow | amiconn: well, this really does hint at the 64 bit mul instructions being shit slow |
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| 21:04:00 | Myth1 | hi guys |
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| 21:04:18 | sharpe | hello |
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| 21:08:11 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 21:08:15 | sharpe | 'lo |
| 21:08:18 | |Unknown| | I was wondering how do I play music in rockbox? |
| 21:08:32 | sharpe | selecting the file in the filebrowser |
| 21:08:50 | |Unknown| | isnt there a easier way? |
| 21:09:04 | sharpe | well... you could make a playlist i suppose. |
| 21:09:07 | |Unknown| | because each song is like FK6E.mpeg e.t.c |
| 21:09:22 | sharpe | use tagcache |
| 21:09:39 | |Unknown| | whats tagcache do>? |
| 21:10:03 | sharpe | lets you browse the songs by their id3 tags, such as artist, title, genre, etc. |
| 21:10:40 | |Unknown| | where will it let me browse them? |
| 21:11:03 | sharpe | you have to set it to use the tagcache, instead of the filebrowser. |
| 21:11:18 | sharpe | you also have to build the tagcache before any songs will show up in it |
| 21:11:41 | |Unknown| | how do I do both of those? |
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| 21:12:06 | sharpe | to force a tag cache update, general settings -> playback -> force tag cache update |
| 21:12:59 | sharpe | and to set it to use the tagcache, general settings -> file view -> show files, and select "id3 database" |
| 21:13:14 | |Unknown| | oh thats what i didnt know how to do |
| 21:13:15 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 21:13:25 | sharpe | depending on how many songs you have, it may take a bit to make the cache |
| 21:14:37 | |Unknown| | how long does it usually take? |
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| 21:14:41 | |Unknown| | i have 400 some songs |
| 21:15:11 | |Unknown| | when I click Artists it says 0 artists found, tag cache is not ready |
| 21:15:17 | KlrSpz | that plasma plugin is the shit |
| 21:15:25 | sharpe | you've to wait until it's done building it before you can use it |
| 21:15:34 | sharpe | shouldn't take more than a few minutes at most |
| 21:15:52 | |Unknown| | ok |
| 21:16:01 | Slasheri | you will also have to reboot unless you have dircache enabled |
| 21:16:29 | sharpe | sometimes you can see it's progress in info -> debug -> view tagcache info |
| 21:16:53 | preglow | progress really shat itself for me today |
| 21:16:59 | preglow | after 99% it wrapped to -1% |
| 21:17:07 | preglow | and then skipped to 43% |
| 21:17:08 | sharpe | mine's at -1% right now |
| 21:17:09 | preglow | and then finished |
| 21:17:09 | KlrSpz | -1% i think means it's not working |
| 21:17:19 | KlrSpz | err, not working on caching |
| 21:17:23 | KlrSpz | not that it's disfunctional |
| 21:17:36 | KlrSpz | mine went to 99, then -1, and it was done |
| 21:17:51 | preglow | mine wasn't |
| 21:17:55 | preglow | it kept working at -1% |
| 21:17:58 | KlrSpz | ah |
| 21:17:59 | KlrSpz | weird |
| 21:18:01 | |Unknown| | it says -1% |
| 21:18:08 | Slasheri | |Unknown|: try to reboot |
| 21:18:25 | sharpe | odd, after commiting the tagcache, codec error, then rockbox froze... |
| 21:18:30 | |Unknown| | okay works now |
| 21:18:33 | |Unknown| | ^_^ |
| 21:18:35 | |Unknown| | thanks |
| 21:18:39 | |Unknown| | do videos work in rockbox? |
| 21:18:52 | sharpe | nope |
| 21:19:12 | sharpe | well, they do on archoses i think, but it's a specific format. |
| 21:19:15 | Slasheri | sharpe: i think that might be due to the changes to the playback code once again.. |
| 21:19:51 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 21:19:55 | |Unknown| | how do I get the album art to show up? |
| 21:20:21 | sharpe | compile your own build with the patch for album art... |
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| 21:21:11 | yobesoom | sweet |
| 21:21:24 | yobesoom | you guys fixed the mpc buffering problem on 4g ipod |
| 21:21:29 | * | yobesoom high fives the developers |
| 21:22:51 | * | preglow falls asleep |
| 21:23:02 | bluebrother | Slasheri: are there known problems with tagcache? My player seems to crash on it ... |
| 21:23:10 | Myth1 | I have to admit: The new playback routine rules! The caching is far far superior. Finally I can skip songs without waiting for the hdd to spin up. Thanks! |
| 21:24:08 | yobesoom | AAC still broken :( |
| 21:24:48 | preglow | will probably continue to be so for a while |
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| 21:26:26 | sharpe | the plague is caused by the bacteria, "Yersinia perstis" |
| 21:26:54 | Slasheri | bluebrother: interesting, currently i don't know any problems causing a crash with tagcache |
| 21:27:06 | Slasheri | bluebrother: do you know how to reproduce it? |
| 21:27:28 | bluebrother | it's somewhat strange, it started about two days ago when I tried using tagcache. |
| 21:27:39 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 21:27:41 | bluebrother | I deleted all *.tcd files in .rockbox. |
| 21:27:47 | bluebrother | shut off player, on again. |
| 21:28:12 | bluebrother | I have dircache enabled. The disk spins up and it looks like dircache is doing its job. |
| 21:28:25 | Slasheri | yep, sounds normal so far |
| 21:28:40 | bluebrother | the wps shows (resume on startup is turned on), but the wps shows only the filename. Sound doesn't start. |
| 21:29:05 | bluebrother | a few minutes ago I was able navigating around, but sound won't start. |
| 21:29:15 | bluebrother | rebooting with settings cleared works. |
| 21:29:32 | Slasheri | ah, weird. hmm, that might not be necessary a problem with tagcache |
| 21:29:39 | bluebrother | I'm rebuilding the tag cache right now, will try with my settings when it's finished. |
| 21:29:40 | Slasheri | it might be a problem with the playback engine also |
| 21:30:49 | bluebrother | I had the player running the last two days with deleted tagcache. Strangely I needed to reload my settings twice. |
| 21:31:06 | bluebrother | and playback worked fine with that. |
| 21:31:09 | Febs | Success! |
| 21:31:20 | * | Febs now has a Rockboxed iPod 5g. |
| 21:31:30 | bluebrother | Febs: nice ;-) |
| 21:31:31 | Slasheri | Febs o/ |
| 21:31:44 | sharpe | \o/ |
| 21:31:45 | Febs | Loading music now. |
| 21:31:47 | Slasheri | bluebrother: interesting. but please report if you experience the problem again |
| 21:32:29 | bluebrother | I'm just waiting for tagcache to finished. I upgraded to the latest cvs before this, will tell you in some minutes. |
| 21:33:04 | Slasheri | just expect the playback engine to be more buggy with the latest cvs |
| 21:33:22 | bluebrother | hmm, I thought it stabilized the last days. |
| 21:33:54 | Slasheri | there was a big commit today, i think that unstabilized it, possibly :) |
| 21:35:16 | bluebrother | that noted something like "become more stable" ;-) |
| 21:35:30 | sharpe | the word 'plague,' which comes from the latin word, 'plaga,' means "to strike out violently with divine intent." |
| 21:35:34 | bluebrother | strangely I had this behaviour with the build of two days ago already. |
| 21:35:47 | bluebrother | uh-uh. |
| 21:36:01 | bluebrother | Tagcache screen shows a progress of -1% |
| 21:36:45 | bluebrother | while it still seems to be working. |
| 21:36:51 | Slasheri | bluebrother: just don't care about that screen at the moment, it still little buggy |
| 21:37:20 | sharpe | how does tagcache figure the percentage to show? |
| 21:38:09 | Slasheri | sharpe: it uses dircache to figure out how many files it has scanned so far. Or if there is no dircache available, then -1% is shown. In future, it will show scanned files too |
| 21:38:42 | sharpe | right. |
| 21:38:43 | sharpe | okay |
| 21:39:13 | Slasheri | also when tagcache has finished the scan, the percentage ramps again to -1% if tagcache is to be loaded in ram |
| 21:39:47 | Slasheri | then it raises fast to 100% while tagcache is updating against dircache |
| 21:40:00 | sharpe | yeah, i see where it get's -1 from, i was just wondering... |
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| 21:41:57 | sharpe | lets see... symptoms, and history of the bubonic plague... what else should i do on the plague? |
| 21:42:16 | KlrSpz | techinques of transferrence |
| 21:42:29 | bluebrother | ok, crashed again :( |
| 21:42:30 | sharpe | alright, i'll need one more topic... |
| 21:42:41 | KlrSpz | costs of damages in a society |
| 21:42:47 | KlrSpz | or prevention |
| 21:42:49 | bluebrother | I reloaded my settings and shut off the jukebox while playing |
| 21:43:03 | sharpe | i could probably stick treatment and prevention with symptoms |
| 21:43:10 | bluebrother | first reboot worked, startup screen shows "scanning disk" |
| 21:43:37 | bluebrother | same again, and I got to the wps with the same behaviour as already described. |
| 21:43:47 | sharpe | well, ways it is transferred could go with that too... |
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| 21:44:04 | Shadowarrior13 | What the... |
| 21:44:11 | Shadowarrior13 | Hey, is anybody in #ipodlinux? |
| 21:44:40 | KlrSpz | nah |
| 21:44:53 | sharpe | i could do modern day plague... |
| 21:45:10 | KlrSpz | coined as flu's |
| 21:45:12 | KlrSpz | lol |
| 21:45:20 | Slasheri | bluebrother: hmm, do you mean you got the "scanning disk" repeatedly after reboots? |
| 21:45:39 | bluebrother | Slasheri: no, only on the first reboot. |
| 21:45:42 | Slasheri | ah, ok |
| 21:45:51 | sharpe | well, the plague still exists today |
| 21:46:08 | KlrSpz | black plague? |
| 21:46:14 | KlrSpz | like which plauge |
| 21:46:21 | sharpe | yeah, black plague |
| 21:46:38 | KlrSpz | i thoguht it was wiped out |
| 21:46:45 | sharpe | which entails bubonic, pnemonic, and septicemic |
| 21:46:52 | sharpe | pneumonic |
| 21:46:55 | bluebrother | hmm, it seems this is related to "resume on startup" enabled. |
| 21:47:10 | sharpe | no, but it's treatable with antibiotics today, so it's not a problem. |
| 21:48:27 | bluebrother | damn. Its the resuming setting. |
| 21:48:40 | bluebrother | I turned that option off, now it works fine. |
| 21:49:07 | bluebrother | so I guess this is caused by the codec ... lostlogic? |
| 21:49:59 | bluebrother | btw, Slasheri: how much space does the tagcache need in ram? Will this be shown in the debug screen sometime in the future? |
| 21:52:51 | Slasheri | bluebrother: not at the moment, but you can sum all the .tcd files in .rockbox except the biggest file |
| 21:53:11 | Slasheri | that should give about the realsize it takes the ram |
| 21:53:19 | bluebrother | ok, thanks. |
| 21:53:36 | sharpe | hmm, is the number of files on disk stored anywhere, or must it be calculated by something else? |
| 21:53:57 | Slasheri | sharpe: it is calculated by dircache (if enabled) at boot |
| 21:53:59 | bluebrother | there isn't any "properties" context menu, isn't it? |
| 21:54:05 | sharpe | alright. |
| 21:54:22 | bluebrother | like showing the real path, filesize, file attribute and so on. |
| 21:54:32 | sharpe | i was thinking about ideas for geting a rough estimate of the progress of tagcache, without use of dircache. |
| 21:54:59 | Slasheri | bluebrother: hmm, i don't think so.. but sounds like a useful feature to add |
| 21:55:31 | bluebrother | ok, I'll add a feature request to the tracker. |
| 21:55:37 | Slasheri | sharpe: the easiest way to do that would be just to print the number of files scanned so far |
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| 21:56:23 | KlrSpz | is RB written in c, or obj. c? |
| 21:56:51 | Ribs | obj. c being c++ ? |
| 21:56:57 | Ribs | I *think* it's just plain C |
| 21:57:01 | Mikachu | nothing is written in objective c, fortunately |
| 21:57:05 | sharpe | yeah, but my idea was, have the number of files scanned so far, divided by the number of files not in /.rockbox/, by just scanning the fat entries to get an estimate of the percent done. and multiply by 100, to get a percentage not in decimal form... |
| 21:57:12 | Mikachu | rockbox is in C with some gnu extensions i think |
| 21:57:30 | KlrSpz | no, objective c is different |
| 21:57:59 | KlrSpz | and is odd imo |
| 21:58:07 | KlrSpz | but, c++ i can deal, c i can deal |
| 21:58:12 | KlrSpz | i might take a gander at the source later |
| 21:58:22 | KlrSpz | i got some changes i wanna make, wonderin if i can pull it off |
| 21:59:00 | Slasheri | in plain C |
| 21:59:14 | Slasheri | and with some assembly code too |
| 21:59:50 | KlrSpz | for the codecs n stuff? |
| 21:59:55 | KlrSpz | and hardware stuff |
| 21:59:56 | KlrSpz | ? |
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| 22:00:07 | KlrSpz | i hope the EQ gets better too |
| 22:00:12 | KlrSpz | cuz it's a lil confusing to me personally |
| 22:00:59 | KlrSpz | aight i'm out, c'yall later |
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| 22:01:15 | Slasheri | hmm, i think the eq is pretty good and powerful |
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| 22:04:13 | sharpe | Slasheri: what about that for an idea? |
| 22:05:06 | Slasheri | sharpe: well, that would require to scan the number of files we have before starting the real tagcache scan |
| 22:05:20 | sharpe | i know... |
| 22:05:25 | Slasheri | so it is possible, but slows down the scan a bit.. |
| 22:05:36 | sharpe | true |
| 22:06:15 | sharpe | but how long would it take to recursively go through directories and count the number of files...? |
| 22:06:20 | Slasheri | but maybe i will implement that, after sharing the dir recursion mechanism used in dircache with tagcache (that is a way faster) |
| 22:06:33 | Slasheri | a few seconds (like the initial dircache scan) |
| 22:07:06 | sharpe | shouldn't be much of a problem, could be labeled as pre-tagcache-building :) |
| 22:08:31 | bluebrother | Slasheri: does tagcache recognize files with changed tags now? |
| 22:08:59 | Slasheri | bluebrother: nope, that would be a very slow and complex scan |
| 22:09:24 | bluebrother | can't you just look if the file timestamp changes? |
| 22:09:41 | sharpe | Slasheri: i mean, if you're busy right now, i could try to implement it if you wish. |
| 22:09:41 | Slasheri | hmm, that might work |
| 22:09:47 | Slasheri | good idea |
| 22:10:08 | bluebrother | like having a "last modified" entry in the database, and if the file has a different date re-scan it. |
| 22:10:22 | Slasheri | sharpe: oh, that sounds good :) well, at least coding is little harder at the moment as my main workstation is broken |
| 22:10:42 | Slasheri | sharpe: but please think a way to share the same recursion code with dircache & tagcache |
| 22:10:57 | sharpe | Slasheri: heh, well, i'll get to work on it after i finish these notecards. |
| 22:11:05 | Slasheri | :) |
| 22:11:06 | sharpe | alright, sounds reasonably easy to do... |
| 22:12:06 | Slasheri | bluebrother: i will keep that in mind, should be quite easy to do after tagcache has a support for tag modifications on the fly |
| 22:12:30 | bluebrother | great ;-) |
| 22:13:04 | |Unknown| | how do I change the CPU frequence so i dont have to do it everytime i go into rockbox? |
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| 22:14:27 | Slasheri | hmm, there shouldn't be a need to change the cpu frequency manually |
| 22:14:33 | preglow | wjhy do you need to change it? |
| 22:16:14 | |Unknown| | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3719.0 |
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| 22:22:21 | preglow | haha |
| 22:22:26 | preglow | _MIGHT_ lower battery life |
| 22:24:18 | preglow | and no, you can't change the cpu freq permanently |
| 22:24:28 | preglow | to do that, you'd have to create a build without dynamic cpu freq changing |
| 22:24:30 | preglow | which is very simple |
| 22:25:47 | MarcoPolo | hi ! |
| 22:27:19 | sharpe | hello. |
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| 22:32:34 | sharpe | midkay! |
| 22:32:43 | midkay | sharpe! |
| 22:32:58 | sharpe | writing on the black plague is kind of depressing! |
| 22:33:57 | preglow | then don't |
| 22:34:55 | sharpe | i've got to |
| 22:35:00 | sharpe | unless i want to fail |
| 22:35:04 | sharpe | which i don't |
| 22:35:10 | sharpe | it's also kind of interesting |
| 22:35:42 | sharpe | 19/30 cards done |
| 22:36:06 | sharpe | er, 34. |
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| 22:36:52 | midkay | amiconn, sorry for that 'busy loop' - i did test the keyboard, but i did not test it during music playback.. what was causing it? |
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| 22:41:46 | sharpe | hmm, is it bad i've a lot of information from one page? |
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| 22:45:23 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 22:46:18 | midkay | hey Massa |
| 22:46:19 | sharpe | hello |
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| 22:47:17 | Hansmaulwurf | just a general question: are the iriver, apple and iaudio player really official supported? im just editing the german wikipedia page about rockbox and was wondering |
| 22:47:39 | sharpe | i don't think, offically... |
| 22:47:45 | Hansmaulwurf | because 2.5 is only avaible for the archos player |
| 22:48:18 | Massa | currently not many people online - everybody having real life fun ;) ?! |
| 22:48:22 | midkay | 3.0 will support the irivers, when it's released in ~1/2 month. |
| 22:48:29 | sharpe | not me... |
| 22:48:58 | preglow | anyone here familiar with archos recording? |
| 22:49:28 | sharpe | hmm, in 1902 san francisco had an epidemic of the plague... |
| 22:49:30 | Massa | preglow: no, sorry - not me... |
| 22:49:39 | midkay | preglow, me, somewhat.. |
| 22:49:41 | preglow | Hansmaulwurf: iriver and iaudio will be officially supported with rockbox 3.0 |
| 22:49:50 | midkay | codewise or actually using it? |
| 22:50:05 | Massa | Everybody here who know a bit about the HAVE_USB_POWER define? |
| 22:50:07 | preglow | midkay: just wondering if the sample rate displayed in the recording screen always reflects the sample rate setting, or if it follows the spdif freq |
| 22:50:32 | midkay | preglow, ah, never tried spdif.. |
| 22:54:16 | preglow | makes sense to adapt the string to the actual spdif sample rate |
| 22:54:23 | preglow | but doesn't look like that's what's done |
| 22:54:56 | midkay | preglow, i doubt that is what is done.. |
| 22:55:28 | Massa | Hmm, nobody here who knows what the meaning of the HAVE_USB_POWER is? |
| 22:55:52 | sharpe | i'm guessing, if the player can be powered by usb. |
| 22:56:43 | midkay | Massa, right, the player can be charged/powered from USB, i'm quite sure. |
| 22:56:44 | Massa | Does it mean all targets which set this define are able to charge via USB? |
| 22:56:56 | midkay | something like that. |
| 22:57:08 | Massa | And does it also mean that the charging is enabled for those targets? |
| 22:57:19 | sharpe | only be powered by the usb... according to HAVE_USB_POWER... |
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| 22:57:36 | sharpe | but, it should be charged from it... |
| 22:57:46 | sharpe | more of a given... |
| 22:58:06 | Massa | sharpe, what's the difference? |
| 22:58:21 | preglow | bluebrother: know why the fade on stop/pause option is included twice in playback_options.tex? :) |
| 22:58:22 | sharpe | some players don't have rechargable batteries, if i remember... |
| 22:58:31 | sharpe | i may be wrong, of course. |
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| 22:59:37 | bluebrother | preglow: no ... |
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| 23:01:03 | preglow | seems it's been there all the while since febs' added the option |
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| 23:01:08 | preglow | so we should just remove one of them |
| 23:01:08 | Massa | fmcrecorder, iriver h300, ipod4g, ipodcolor, ipodmini, ipodmini2g, ipodnano, ipodvideo, ondiofm, ondiosp and recorderv2 all have the HAVE_USB_POWER define |
| 23:01:09 | preglow | but brb |
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| 23:01:49 | Massa | Is there _any_ target which actually uses the USB power in rockbox? |
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| 23:02:21 | sharpe | yes... |
| 23:02:28 | preglow | Slasheri: didn't you say it is possible to simplify the crossfade settings? |
| 23:02:58 | Massa | sharpe, which target? |
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| 23:03:22 | sharpe | well, they all can use usb power, if they support it... |
| 23:03:58 | sharpe | which, i don't really know which do... |
| 23:04:18 | Massa | sharpe, I don't think so - at least the iRiver H300 does not atm. |
| 23:04:19 | preglow | bluebrother: and we seem to lack the id3 database option in the 'show files' setting descrpition |
| 23:04:22 | preglow | but brb, gotta go |
| 23:04:54 | sharpe | yeah, HAVE_USB_POWER is defined if the unit can be powered or charged via usb... |
| 23:05:46 | Massa | sharpe, there is a patch which enables that on H300 but it currently will not be committed to CVS because it lacks the possibiility to switch USB charging off |
| 23:06:27 | Massa | So I wonder if there is any target which really charges through USB with rockbox??? |
| 23:07:20 | sharpe | i only have an ipod video, but it can charge over usb, albeit slow. |
| 23:07:31 | RoC_MM | 4g charges over usb slowly |
| 23:07:53 | Massa | Hmm, and how is USB charging enabled/disabled on that devices? |
| 23:08:31 | RoC_MM | When you plug it in it begins charging, if that's what you mean... |
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| 23:09:08 | sharpe | except with ipods, menu must be held while the usb cable is plugged in... otherwise it will reboot into disk mode. |
| 23:09:27 | Massa | RoC_MM: no, I meant at the source code ;) |
| 23:09:42 | sharpe | check powermgmt.c |
| 23:10:14 | sharpe | in /firmware/export |
| 23:10:19 | Massa | sharpe, that's not what I meant - I thought charging during it is disk mode |
| 23:10:37 | Massa | sharpe: that's not deep enough :) |
| 23:10:38 | sharpe | disk mode is handled by the ipod's firmware |
| 23:10:59 | Massa | sharpe: it must be somewhere in firmware/drivers |
| 23:11:12 | sharpe | hmm? |
| 23:11:46 | Massa | O.K. here is the full story: I want to extend the existing patch for H300 and add a menu entry to switch on/off USB charging during disk mode |
| 23:12:25 | Massa | (Linus said, always enabling it could cause trouble with USB hubs and other low power USBs) |
| 23:13:13 | Massa | So I now know how to switch on/off the USB charging for H300 - it's in firmware/drivers/pcf50606.c |
| 23:13:26 | sharpe | in usb.c, is where the ipod reboots if the usb cable is pluggin in... but you don't need that. |
| 23:13:31 | sharpe | plugged... |
| 23:13:52 | Massa | But I want to make it more general and therefore I wanted to know how to switch that on and off for the other devices - or if I misinterpret the HAVE_USB_POWER define... |
| 23:14:22 | sharpe | HAVE_USB_POWER is just if it's possible to charge or power from usb, if i remember correctly |
| 23:14:45 | Massa | sharpe: so I'm really confused for what that define is currently used... |
| 23:16:16 | sharpe | i'm not very sure, i don't know much about power management. |
| 23:17:51 | Massa | Maybe switching on/off USB charging during disk mode is only possible for the iRiver H300??? |
| 23:18:14 | sharpe | maybe, i'm not the person to ask though. |
| 23:18:34 | Massa | And all the others only use either disk mode or charging mode, but not together??? |
| 23:18:58 | Massa | sharpe, too bad nobody is here to discuss this... |
| 23:19:14 | sharpe | true. |
| 23:19:18 | sharpe | i'll be back in a bit. |
| 23:19:31 | Massa | Bye - I'll also back (for some hours ;) |
| 23:19:37 | sharpe | heh, later. |
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| 23:20:26 | sharpe | eh, i tried to help. |
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| 23:25:27 | sharpe | whee! |
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| 23:26:51 | sharpe | betty crocker has inside information. |
| 23:28:37 | sharpe | the "betty crocker bake `n fill" |
| 23:30:06 | lostlogic | preglow: hmph, surprised no compilers yelled at me about redefining MAD_BUFFER_GUARD. |
| 23:30:44 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah, surprised me as well |
| 23:31:34 | lostlogic | anyone heard shrieks from the rafters about voice since I committed 6 hours ago? |
| 23:32:18 | preglow | nay |
| 23:32:24 | sharpe | lostlogic: your rafters talk ? |
| 23:33:16 | preglow | no, but yours might |
| 23:33:32 | sharpe | i don't think they do... |
| 23:33:49 | lostlogic | heh |
| 23:34:10 | lostlogic | damn, I'm slipping, a commit of that size should have broken a lot of things :-D |
| 23:34:13 | bluebrother | lostlogic: have you noticed the "resume on startup" is broken? It hangs my player. |
| 23:34:58 | lostlogic | bluebrother: hmm. no, Ihaven't used that feature ever. total hang or backlight still goes off hang? I'll look at it in 7 hours or so. |
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| 23:36:04 | bluebrother | mostly complete hang after boot, no keys recognized at all -> hard reset. Sometimes I got the menu working but no playback. |
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| 23:36:32 | bluebrother | wps freezes with displaying the filename in all cases. |
| 23:36:59 | preglow | ehh |
| 23:37:05 | preglow | it seems we've got a broken build box again |
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| 23:37:17 | preglow | t0mas: check out the 4g gray sim problem |
| 23:37:29 | preglow | and it's lostlogic's box! |
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| 23:38:54 | sharpe | there's no plague in australia, nor in europe since world war II.... |
| 23:42:24 | sharpe | but it is in northern new mexico/northern arizona/southern colardo, and california/southern oregod/far west nevada in the united states... |
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| 23:44:13 | sharpe | offtopic, but it's interesting. |
| 23:45:19 | * | amiconn reappears |
| 23:45:40 | * | amiconn wonders about the strange warning caused by the wavpack update commit |
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| 23:46:38 | amiconn | Looks like make -j made the output of 2 make jobs an almost perfect oerlap |
| 23:47:17 | sharpe | you know, there's 14 supported targets for rockbox... i never really counted. but it's just kind of funny... |
| 23:47:26 | amiconn | Btw, what does that warning mean? "warning: creating a DT_TEXTREL in object. " |
| 23:47:50 | amiconn | What's funny about 14 targets? |
| 23:47:59 | sharpe | i dunno. |
| 23:48:14 | * | amiconn applies the force of google |
| 23:48:55 | amiconn | s/force/power/ |
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| 23:51:15 | sharpe | how do you divide a string by another string? |
| 23:51:16 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 23:51:17 | sharpe | :) |
| 23:51:20 | sharpe | hello |
| 23:51:23 | |Unknown| | how do i uninstall rockbox? |
| 23:51:29 | sharpe | :O |
| 23:51:31 | sharpe | why?! |
| 23:51:44 | amiconn | Is "Dave B" here? |
| 23:51:46 | |Unknown| | i wanna reinstall it with a fresh copy |
| 23:51:59 | sharpe | rockbox, or rockbox and the bootloader? |
| 23:52:11 | |Unknown| | but whenever i deleted the folder and file from my F drive |
| 23:52:23 | |Unknown| | and put a fresh copy of the folder and file on my F drive |
| 23:52:32 | |Unknown| | for some reason the same themes are there |
| 23:52:36 | |Unknown| | from last time |
| 23:52:41 | sharpe | there are default themes... |
| 23:53:07 | |Unknown| | not rockamp_blue |
| 23:53:14 | |Unknown| | thats not a default theme is it? |
| 23:53:29 | sharpe | are you sure you're putting the files on your... you've an ipod, don't you? |
| 23:53:45 | |Unknown| | yep |
| 23:53:46 | |Unknown| | lol |
| 23:53:50 | crashd | heh |
| 23:53:53 | |Unknown| | because when i check the version info |
| 23:53:57 | sharpe | sure you're putting them on it? :D |
| 23:53:59 | |Unknown| | its says 422 |
| 23:54:09 | amiconn | |Unknown|: In order to update rockbox, you don't need to remove everything and reinstall. Just overwrite the old installation with the new one |
| 23:54:26 | amiconn | And, you won't succeed in deleting the settings by reinstalling. |
| 23:54:37 | sharpe | those are stored, not in a file. |
| 23:54:52 | amiconn | The settings aren't saved in a file, but in a special block on the disk, outside of any partition |
| 23:55:02 | sharpe | yay i'm right |
| 23:55:28 | |Unknown| | how do i delete the settings? |
| 23:56:13 | amiconn | You cannnot really delete them, but there's a 'reset settings' function |
| 23:56:36 | |Unknown| | where? |
| 23:56:38 | preglow | amiconn: dave bryant doesn't use irc |
| 23:56:49 | amiconn | preglow: Oh? |
| 23:57:08 | preglow | yes |
| 23:57:14 | amiconn | Hmm, he shouldn't have taken back his commit |
| 23:57:38 | preglow | correct |
| 23:57:47 | amiconn | The warning was not his fault. The DT_TEXTREL warning appears on some systems, but not on others |
| 23:57:54 | preglow | but why did the build mess up? |
| 23:58:24 | preglow | i'll just mail him and tell him he can recommit |
| 23:58:26 | amiconn | We can get rid of it by compiling plugins with -fPIC, although I would really like to know why it happens only on some systems |
| 23:58:44 | amiconn | (but lostlogic could update his native gcc...) |
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