| 00:00:20 | amiconn | I though all codecs deliver S3.28, and that's converted to 16bit only after applying all the dsp stuff |
| 00:00:24 | amiconn | *thought |
| 00:00:37 | lostlogic | amiconn: crossfade is post DSP |
| 00:00:43 | mareviq | umm... any chances of 4GB iPod Mini 1G partition table being aviable in the near future from the page? |
| 00:00:46 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 00:01:40 | lostlogic | Mikachu: petur: compiler would bitch if the (short *) happened first, wouldn't it? |
| 00:01:43 | amiconn | Mikachu: You think ((short *)(fade_out_chunk->addr)) would be better? |
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| 00:02:58 | petur | instead of learning precedence, I started using too many ()()() :( |
| 00:03:05 | lostlogic | hehe |
| 00:03:32 | amiconn | petur: Yeah, using too many parentheses just in case doesn't help readability |
| 00:03:39 | petur | we never got c/c++ at school so I learned it while I needed it - skipping some parts... |
| 00:03:51 | amiconn | It wil still help to sort out such problems when in doubt |
| 00:04:01 | Mikachu | i remember doing opposite parenthesis to cast the pointer in our java class |
| 00:04:39 | amiconn | And yes, the compiler should have complained if the (short*) cast happens first, but I don't really trust gcc anymore... |
| 00:04:44 | Mikachu | and i would think most people know those rules, i'm just not so good at all parts of C, like petur :) |
| 00:05:18 | * | lostlogic applies temporary variable POWER to the problem to see if it's an order of bullsheet problem. |
| 00:05:19 | amiconn | We had a similar problem in talk.c back then... |
| 00:06:19 | * | amiconn still didn't find a way to make the lcd init reliable and efficient at the same time |
| 00:06:25 | amiconn | *remote lcd init |
| 00:07:30 | petur | http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/operators.html - at the bottom |
| 00:09:08 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/talk.c?rev=1.44&view=log rev. 1.27 in case anyone's interested |
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| 00:09:25 | petur | typecasting is a higher level than -> or am I not thinking right again? |
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| 00:10:07 | lostlogic | petur: hmmmmmmmmmmmm, not sure. |
| 00:11:28 | mareviq | so, another question: will someone hack into rockbox support for mac partitioning? (NOT hfs, these are two different things), as I can get it to run if the ipod is formatted in a mac-like fashion with a fat32 partition there... it's just that rockbox won't see that partition |
| 00:11:35 | Mikachu | that table doesn't look quite right to me |
| 00:11:40 | lostlogic | I'm testing with a temp var, it actually looks cleaner so I might just keep it |
| 00:11:51 | amiconn | petur: On that page, lower level means earlier evaluation, so no |
| 00:12:12 | lostlogic | lower is last |
| 00:12:14 | Mikachu | but maybe it's jsut unclear |
| 00:12:25 | Mikachu | ah right, that's * as in dereference |
| 00:14:14 | Mikachu | still, * is above + and * happens before +, and (type) is above -> |
| 00:14:15 | amiconn | The table goes from highest to lowest priority. -> is level 2, (cast) is level 4 |
| 00:14:26 | amiconn | So -> happens first |
| 00:14:44 | Mikachu | what does he mean with level 5 then? |
| 00:15:05 | lostlogic | using a temp variable mostly fixed it. |
| 00:15:06 | amiconn | Hmm, that's strange... |
| 00:15:11 | lostlogic | damn, GCC is one _dumb_ mofo. |
| 00:15:36 | preglow | is that so........ |
| 00:16:08 | Mikachu | (i didn't see the -> in level 2 before) |
| 00:17:29 | amiconn | Hmm, level 5 seems to be something c++ specific |
| 00:17:40 | amiconn | Doesn't appear in my old c book |
| 00:18:02 | mareviq | uhm.... I take that as "no"... |
| 00:18:11 | lostlogic | mareviq: correct. |
| 00:18:15 | preglow | oooh, a nano skin that's actually quite decent looking |
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| 00:18:35 | lostlogic | mareviq: that I'm pretty sure would be an accepted patch, but nobody's looking at it afaik |
| 00:18:42 | twisted` | I really need to add this chan to autojoin |
| 00:18:51 | twisted` | sharpe: I was able to create an account for you :) |
| 00:19:14 | preglow | btw |
| 00:19:24 | preglow | we need to find some decent wpses for release... |
| 00:19:32 | * | twisted` slaps lostlogic around with some corrupted justice |
| 00:19:38 | lostlogic | :-P |
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| 00:20:00 | Mikachu | mareviq: why not just repartition it? |
| 00:20:00 | | Quit Mikachu (Success) |
| 00:20:00 | petur | is Linus going to add the margin patch or not? |
| 00:20:14 | preglow | no idea |
| 00:20:23 | twisted` | damn he's been idle for 14hrs |
| 00:20:24 | twisted` | bad sharpe |
| 00:20:25 | preglow | if he is, he should do it soon |
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| 00:22:35 | twisted` | sharpe: anyway, when ur there, lemme know, so I can send you the account information |
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| 00:23:43 | preglow | can anyone tell me why the hell my nano refuses to play anything now? :> |
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| 00:25:24 | petur | be nice to it? |
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| 00:28:09 | preglow | cvs build doesn't work either |
| 00:28:22 | preglow | any other nano people here? |
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| 00:28:40 | Mikachu | i guess me |
| 00:29:13 | * | Mikachu cvs update |
| 00:29:17 | preglow | does it work? |
| 00:29:34 | Mikachu | buildink |
| 00:30:06 | Mikachu | playback.c: In function ‘load_next_track’: |
| 00:30:06 | Mikachu | playback.c:1979: warning: suggest explicit braces to avoid ambiguous ‘else’ |
| 00:30:16 | preglow | the disk icon just keeps displaying |
| 00:30:18 | preglow | then nothing happens |
| 00:30:39 | Mikachu | lostlogic: been coding python lately? :) |
| 00:30:56 | * | preglow crosses himself |
| 00:31:21 | lostlogic | :-P 8fixes* |
| 00:31:50 | preglow | ghaha |
| 00:31:51 | preglow | nice one |
| 00:31:52 | lostlogic | that's what I get for throwing in quick fixes for stuff I notice as I'm working on something else. |
| 00:32:10 | Mikachu | i added braces before testing, and it works here |
| 00:32:59 | lostlogic | Mikachu: do songs at the end of playlists no longer cut themselves off? |
| 00:33:18 | Mikachu | i haven't experienced that bug |
| 00:33:22 | lostlogic | ah, ok |
| 00:34:17 | preglow | Mikachu: still doesn't work here |
| 00:35:21 | Mikachu | then i don't have anything better than worksforme |
| 00:35:36 | preglow | argh |
| 00:37:58 | Mikachu | preglow: i moved the volume change from main wps to the quick screen, i think it works well |
| 00:38:20 | Mikachu | someone thought it was a bad idea but i don't remember why |
| 00:39:56 | * | Galois votes "not working" |
| 00:40:16 | Mikachu | this must be the first time something works for me but not someone else :) |
| 00:40:20 | Galois | when I try to play a song the playback just stops cold |
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| 00:40:31 | Mikachu | i'm using resume of an old playlist |
| 00:40:36 | Galois | buttons etc. still work |
| 00:40:38 | Ninjaw | hi boys |
| 00:40:46 | Galois | oh, wait, I just got everything to freeze |
| 00:40:52 | Ninjaw | i'm listening my freshly rocked ipod nano |
| 00:40:53 | lostlogic | hmm... I take it, it's broken. |
| 00:41:05 | Mikachu | okay, stopped and inserted a dir, and it still works |
| 00:41:09 | preglow | Galois: what player? |
| 00:41:11 | amiconn | merf. |
| 00:41:15 | Galois | nano 4GB. CVS build. |
| 00:41:19 | preglow | ahh, good |
| 00:41:28 | preglow | what happens here is just that the disk icon shows for a long time |
| 00:41:31 | preglow | then nothing happens |
| 00:41:35 | Galois | now the only thing that works is the backlight |
| 00:41:59 | amiconn | Why does slow plug-in of the remote work fine now (which it doesn't with cvs), but quick plug-in does not?? |
| 00:42:01 | lostlogic | no breaking for me ;( |
| 00:42:41 | preglow | stop just hung the entire thing for me |
| 00:42:48 | lostlogic | ugh |
| 00:42:50 | preglow | only backlight works |
| 00:43:03 | * | Galois resets the ipod. Still can't get it to play files. |
| 00:43:05 | lostlogic | usnig voice? crossfade? anything? |
| 00:43:07 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps fire a series of several inits. We can only blind-init anyway... |
| 00:43:12 | preglow | ahhh |
| 00:43:15 | Galois | I know I have voice and crossfade off |
| 00:43:16 | preglow | gimme a sec |
| 00:43:16 | Mikachu | i don't use voice, crossfade or crossfeed |
| 00:43:38 | preglow | i had voice enabled |
| 00:43:49 | preglow | doesn't matter anyway |
| 00:44:11 | lostlogic | preglow: did this just start today? |
| 00:44:19 | Ninjaw | i dont see ho wthe fuck rockbox is changing the usb access ? |
| 00:44:26 | Ninjaw | looks like the same to me |
| 00:44:30 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah, but i've been coding coldfire for the last couple of days, so i've had ample time to not notice |
| 00:44:53 | lostlogic | preglow: hmm, but then the question is what's breaking you and galois but not me or mikachu? |
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| 00:45:19 | Ninjaw | anyone knows if it will allows macos9 acces ? |
| 00:45:23 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm on default settings now |
| 00:45:24 | lostlogic | Ninjaw: 1) be more polite 2) we use apple's disk mode. |
| 00:45:28 | Mikachu | Ninjaw: what is your actual question? |
| 00:45:51 | lostlogic | preglow: selecting a playlist or a file? |
| 00:45:52 | Ninjaw | i dunno apple disk mode |
| 00:45:59 | Ninjaw | my question is |
| 00:46:02 | Galois | does the file format matter? I use ogg here |
| 00:46:08 | preglow | lostlogic: file, i have no playlists |
| 00:46:13 | Mikachu | ogg here too |
| 00:46:18 | preglow | wait |
| 00:46:25 | preglow | i just fixed it |
| 00:46:30 | preglow | by removing the voice file |
| 00:46:38 | preglow | lemme check if putting it back breaks it again |
| 00:46:43 | lostlogic | so it's something to do with the voice buffer setup. |
| 00:46:46 | Galois | hey let me try that |
| 00:46:53 | amiconn | What is the problem? |
| 00:46:57 | Ninjaw | do u think if i try the rocked ipod nano on a macos9 i will finally access the files ? |
| 00:46:58 | * | lostlogic about to commit more breakage while we're still recovering from his last breakage :) |
| 00:47:03 | amiconn | Current cvs playing fine here |
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| 00:47:21 | preglow | confirmed, it's the voice file |
| 00:47:27 | amiconn | mp3, not crossfade, voice enabled |
| 00:47:43 | lostlogic | so having a voice file on nano causes it to not work. |
| 00:47:45 | lostlogic | lovely. |
| 00:47:46 | preglow | it's buffering and everything, correct track count, but no pcm acion |
| 00:47:48 | preglow | action |
| 00:48:00 | Ninjaw | what about macos9 |
| 00:48:02 | Ninjaw | lol |
| 00:48:05 | lostlogic | some kind of race with the voice thread vs. the codec thread |
| 00:48:10 | amiconn | Oh wait, I don't have the 2 latest commits in |
| 00:48:14 | Galois | yeah I had a voice file too |
| 00:48:14 | preglow | lostlogic: allocated mp3 buffer size looks correct |
| 00:48:38 | lostlogic | the last commits should only impact track changes |
| 00:48:41 | preglow | Galois: and removing it fixed it, yes? |
| 00:48:41 | lostlogic | not startup |
| 00:48:47 | Ninjaw | well |
| 00:48:53 | Galois | yeah! |
| 00:48:58 | lostlogic | Ninjaw: we have no idea what you are asking still. |
| 00:48:58 | Ninjaw | what is fisk mode screen on ipod ? |
| 00:49:12 | preglow | Ninjaw: what it sounds like. it just lets you access the ipod as a disk |
| 00:49:21 | Ninjaw | mmmh |
| 00:50:00 | Galois | my last build was about a day ago. It was working fine with the voice file there. |
| 00:50:06 | Ninjaw | how the ipod says "i'm in disk mode" |
| 00:50:13 | Ninjaw | what's teh screen ? |
| 00:50:31 | lostlogic | Galois: was that before or after I did the big voice rework commit |
| 00:50:32 | lostlogic | ? |
| 00:50:49 | Ninjaw | my whole point is: will it finally work on macos9 (damn) |
| 00:50:56 | amiconn | Hmm, current cvs seems to have an USB problem... |
| 00:51:08 | preglow | Ninjaw: we don't know, we can't control disk mode and none of us uses macos9 |
| 00:51:18 | Ninjaw | control |
| 00:51:23 | Ninjaw | yeah ok |
| 00:51:24 | Ninjaw | lol |
| 00:51:27 | preglow | disk mode is apple code |
| 00:51:28 | Galois | lostlogic: before |
| 00:51:31 | preglow | we can't control it |
| 00:51:36 | Ninjaw | yeah yeah |
| 00:51:42 | Ninjaw | now could u describe it |
| 00:51:47 | preglow | no |
| 00:51:49 | Ninjaw | is there any screen |
| 00:51:54 | amiconn | Still playing fine with latest cvs + voice. both when resuming and when starting a track from the browser |
| 00:51:57 | preglow | it's more than self-evident |
| 00:52:08 | Ninjaw | what ya mean |
| 00:52:09 | preglow | perhaps it's this specific voice file... |
| 00:52:11 | preglow | it's rather old |
| 00:52:12 | Ninjaw | oh |
| 00:52:18 | amiconn | This is on h340 |
| 00:52:20 | lostlogic | amiconn: somehow it seems to be nano specific!? because you have mini2g and h300 and I have 5g... |
| 00:52:38 | lostlogic | preglow: theoretically could have to do with the size of the voice fiel |
| 00:52:43 | lostlogic | preglow: what is the size, in bytes? |
| 00:52:44 | Ninjaw | i hate macos9 |
| 00:53:11 | Galois | -rw-rw-r−− 1 djao djao 1408600 Sep 28 2005 english.voice |
| 00:53:13 | preglow | 1408600 |
| 00:53:17 | preglow | :-) |
| 00:53:28 | Ninjaw | does this unfamous disk mode is supposed to work as a "usb hard drive" |
| 00:53:29 | preglow | want me to upload it? |
| 00:53:34 | preglow | Ninjaw: yes |
| 00:53:37 | kapheine | If anyone is really bored, the other day I made a robotfindskitten plugin. I only put keybindings in for the iPod but you could easily add new ones. I put it up here: http://divineinvasion.net/tmp/rfk.c |
| 00:53:39 | Galois | it's just MS Mary |
| 00:53:43 | Ninjaw | is only itunes activating this disk mode ? |
| 00:53:44 | preglow | yeah, ms mary |
| 00:53:49 | amiconn | lostlogic: So we can blame preglow's ata hack... |
| 00:54:00 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't work with my new code either |
| 00:54:16 | preglow | then again, that's not fully tested |
| 00:54:25 | Mikachu | kapheine: and the .h? |
| 00:54:26 | Ninjaw | wait does play+select is activating disk mode , |
| 00:54:53 | preglow | Ninjaw: we're not an ipod support channel. you might have more luck in getting answers in a more suitable channel |
| 00:55:06 | Ninjaw | sure |
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| 00:55:33 | amiconn | Just tried on mini2g. Working fine there as well, voice + mp3 + no crossfade... |
| 00:55:33 | Ninjaw | is rockbox forcing in anyway a stupid disk mode that i couldnt have before (on macos9 lol) |
| 00:55:36 | kapheine | Mikachu: Sorry, forgot about that. http://divineinvasion.net/tmp/rfk_messages.h |
| 00:55:51 | preglow | amiconn: and why would my ata hack suddenly start affecting voice files? |
| 00:55:57 | preglow | it's been working for a long time now |
| 00:56:04 | amiconn | Forgot the ;) |
| 00:57:05 | lostlogic | the lack of disk spinup time is causing a race somehow. I'll be trying to figure it out. |
| 00:57:11 | lostlogic | s/causing/exposing/ |
| 00:57:19 | Ninjaw | OH MY |
| 00:57:24 | amiconn | lostlogic: At least it must be a quick race |
| 00:57:27 | preglow | in which case my ata hack certainly is still doing its job |
| 00:57:33 | Ninjaw | I CAN SEE DISK MODE ON MY IPOD |
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| 00:57:44 | amiconn | ..since it doesn't affect mini2g with its significantly shorter spinup time |
| 00:57:48 | Ninjaw | what the ? |
| 00:57:59 | lostlogic | any crossfade users? Please test crossfade on latest CVS. |
| 00:58:07 | Ninjaw | lost i tried |
| 00:58:16 | Ninjaw | havent heard any crossfade sorry |
| 00:58:27 | Ninjaw | GOD |
| 00:58:36 | Ninjaw | i also just discovered the disk mode |
| 00:58:37 | Mikachu | kapheine: haha, nice :) |
| 00:58:53 | Mikachu | kapheine: i haven't heard of this before though |
| 00:58:57 | Ninjaw | sorry for u but it appears my RockBox wasnt activating it ? |
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| 00:59:31 | preglow | bah, the musepack seeking patch doesn't work on ipods |
| 00:59:46 | KlrSpz | there's a few things i've found today that aren't working right |
| 00:59:50 | Ninjaw | lol |
| 00:59:51 | KlrSpz | liek crossfading :( |
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| 01:00:01 | Ninjaw | i cant exit the disk mode |
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| 01:00:31 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: when the latest CVS build finishes, please retest crossfade, I just reworked it. |
| 01:00:37 | kapheine | Mikachu: robotfindskitten? http://robotfindskitten.org/ It has been ported to many platforms :P |
| 01:00:41 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, not a problem |
| 01:00:51 | Ninjaw | lostlogic not me ? |
| 01:00:57 | Mikachu | kapheine: do i click randomly on the letters? |
| 01:00:58 | kapheine | Mikachu: I only partially implemented the color support. If you are bored and want something to do, go for it :P |
| 01:01:15 | kapheine | Mikachu: No you control the robot (#) and walk into the objects, trying to find the kitten |
| 01:01:30 | Mikachu | ah right i thought the frontpage had a javascript |
| 01:01:43 | Ninjaw | so what CVS got working crossfade ? |
| 01:02:06 | kapheine | Mikachu: Oh you meant the webpage :P |
| 01:02:09 | lostlogic | preglow: btw, latest CVS should fix your bad response tmie on track changes ;) |
| 01:02:11 | Ninjaw | and .... diskmode |
| 01:02:20 | Mikachu | kapheine: yeah |
| 01:02:21 | preglow | lostlogic: great and good |
| 01:02:26 | Mikachu | kapheine: should the icons just have random colors? |
| 01:02:58 | Ninjaw | Is that normal Rockbox does not boot on disk mode ? |
| 01:03:00 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm really bad at stoping refactoring −− I went into pcmbuf.c to look for why CFM_FLUSH was being retarded and came out with crossfade refactored to all hell :-\ |
| 01:03:49 | kapheine | Mikachu: Yeah. I already assign the colors, I just don't have the code to actually change to the correct color when displaying the different characters. |
| 01:04:00 | Mikachu | okay |
| 01:04:04 | Mikachu | lcd_set_foreground or so i think |
| 01:04:36 | kapheine | If I'm just changing the color for a single character displayed by snprintf, so I still use that, or is there another method? I haven't looked into it yet. |
| 01:04:39 | KlrSpz | rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_RGBPACK(0,0,255)); /* Pure blue */ |
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| 01:04:51 | KlrSpz | err, only with foreground |
| 01:05:35 | chi | how large should the first partition on a 2gig nano be? |
| 01:05:51 | kapheine | Hmm okay, welp currently I just store colors as a number between 1-6 (because this is how the program I ported did it), so that could be changed or a lookup table can be made to map 1-6 to some RGB values |
| 01:05:56 | preglow | 80 megs or something |
| 01:06:09 | chi | or boot partition i mean |
| 01:06:25 | KlrSpz | kapheine, enumeration? |
| 01:06:32 | chi | preglow, was that 80 megs for me? |
| 01:06:37 | crashd | kapheine: cant you just #define colour_blue LCD_RGBPACK(0,0,255) |
| 01:06:37 | crashd | ? |
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| 01:06:55 | kapheine | KlrSpz: sure, or that. I just have lookup table fetish |
| 01:06:59 | crashd | hehe |
| 01:07:04 | KlrSpz | like a hash table? |
| 01:07:08 | crashd | lookup tables are a waste of time in this instance, you've only got the 6 values ;) |
| 01:07:08 | kapheine | crashd: Sure but the point is to easily map numbers to colors |
| 01:07:14 | crashd | yaeh, sure |
| 01:07:16 | KlrSpz | ditto |
| 01:07:30 | KlrSpz | it'd prolly be more effective to just use defines |
| 01:07:32 | kapheine | KlrSpz: Simplier than that :P as long as LCD_RBGPACK makes a numeric value, we can just have a simple array |
| 01:07:47 | kapheine | int colors[] = { LCD_RGBPACK(...), LCD_RGBPACK(...), ... }; |
| 01:07:49 | Mikachu | kapheine: use set_foreground and then putsxy to put a char at x,y |
| 01:08:09 | KlrSpz | does it require any cross compiling? |
| 01:08:17 | KlrSpz | you're making me want to write some classes n shit |
| 01:08:33 | kapheine | What? I'm just talking about an array of integers, that seems pretty simple to me :P |
| 01:09:20 | KlrSpz | my only prob with that is if you don't know what the index's represent you have to look and figure it out. it's not very descriptive |
| 01:09:39 | Mikachu | kapheine: in draw() you can just add lcd_set_foreground before the lcd_putsxy and it should work fine |
| 01:09:55 | kapheine | Oh well in this case we don't care if 0 means blue or red or whatever. Because the only point is to give objects a random color |
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| 01:10:19 | KlrSpz | ahh ok |
| 01:10:31 | Mikachu | rb->lcd_set_foreground(obj.color); |
| 01:10:31 | Mikachu | rb->lcd_putsxy(obj.x*font_w, obj.y*font_h, buffer); |
| 01:10:43 | KlrSpz | nod32 |
| 01:10:51 | KlrSpz | whoops, wrong window |
| 01:11:02 | kapheine | Looks good to me, just gotta make sure obj.color is an LCD_RGBPACK value |
| 01:11:51 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:11:57 | KlrSpz | ugh, i knew i should have put on sun screen.. i'm burning like mad |
| 01:11:58 | preglow | patch works in sim, so it's not an endian issue |
| 01:12:09 | preglow | what's left of ipod problems except endian problems? |
| 01:12:16 | Mikachu | yeah that would help |
| 01:12:16 | Mikachu | an int between 1 and 6 is just different shades of black :) |
| 01:12:16 | Mikachu | apparently different shades of green |
| 01:12:16 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Mikachu |
| 01:12:16 | Mikachu | wow, matrixy :) |
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| 01:12:46 | KlrSpz | what are ya'll making? |
| 01:13:21 | kapheine | KlrSpz: us? |
| 01:13:30 | kapheine | We were talking about my robotfindskitten plugin |
| 01:13:34 | KlrSpz | cool |
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| 01:15:49 | Mikachu | kapheine: okay what i got now works, but doesn't guarantee objects aren't completely black |
| 01:16:56 | kapheine | Mikachu: If it's easier, you can just change the randcolor function to return some nicer LD_RGBPACK values |
| 01:17:05 | Mikachu | static inline int randcolor(void) { return rb->rand() % LCD_RGBPACK(255,255,255); } |
| 01:17:13 | Mikachu | robot.color = LCD_RGBPACK(255,255,255); |
| 01:18:23 | kapheine | I think it'd be better to have some predefined colors, having the colors totally random will (as you said) make some completely black items, but could also have colors that really aren't that different, or just hard to see :P |
| 01:18:34 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 01:19:43 | preglow | amiconn: what do you think about a transparent selector bar mode? :) |
| 01:20:51 | amiconn | ?? |
| 01:21:13 | KlrSpz | why does the rb class have it's own random number generator? |
| 01:21:23 | preglow | i'm just playing around with some themes with backdrops now, and it'd be cool if the backdrop was visible through the cursor bar |
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| 01:21:37 | preglow | right now it just overwrites it with the bg colour |
| 01:21:55 | KlrSpz | i'd like that, if you could change the hilight foreground |
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| 01:22:04 | amiconn | Transparency would really eat power |
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| 01:22:24 | crashd | isnt there a patch that lets you do that preglow ? |
| 01:22:28 | amiconn | Colour gfx isn't exactly fast right now... |
| 01:22:30 | crashd | im sure ive seen some wps' that allow you to do that |
| 01:22:31 | preglow | crashd: no idea |
| 01:22:33 | KlrSpz | would you really apply any transparency in that case? or just not hilight the background? |
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| 01:22:46 | preglow | KlrSpz: i think the bar is nice |
| 01:23:04 | KlrSpz | oh so you want some alpha stuff huh? |
| 01:23:19 | amiconn | The selector bar uses the foreground colour for the background pixels and lets the background shine through the letters? |
| 01:23:22 | amiconn | -? |
| 01:23:47 | preglow | not the letters, no, just the backgroudn |
| 01:23:54 | KlrSpz | can you draw a demo? |
| 01:23:58 | KlrSpz | to be precise? |
| 01:24:01 | preglow | by no means |
| 01:24:12 | preglow | this isn't exactly the most important idea i've had in aeons |
| 01:24:17 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:24:17 | * | amiconn doesn't understand |
| 01:24:28 | * | KlrSpz doesn't either, but agrees with the importance of the idea |
| 01:24:31 | preglow | forget it, it's not vital to my continued existance |
| 01:24:40 | KlrSpz | what about a nice EQ? |
| 01:24:47 | preglow | what, another one? |
| 01:24:57 | KlrSpz | well it seems a little odd with the default one |
| 01:25:02 | KlrSpz | or it did to me |
| 01:25:03 | preglow | why? |
| 01:25:04 | KlrSpz | maybe i was too lit |
| 01:25:16 | preglow | well, you need to tell what is odd with it |
| 01:25:21 | lostlogic | preglow: would it be correct that telling vorbis to seek as the very first action within a song would be a Bad Thing (TM)? |
| 01:25:35 | preglow | lostlogic: shruggage |
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| 01:25:51 | KlrSpz | i think i'd like to see an option at least for going to verticle bars instead of horiz |
| 01:26:03 | preglow | KlrSpz: that'll be fixed in the future |
| 01:26:08 | KlrSpz | cool |
| 01:26:15 | lostlogic | preglow: hmm, I think it is cuz I just got a data abort in vorbis_synthesis after trying to make it do that in order to deal with the "seeking in previous track when the decoder is on next track" bug |
| 01:26:44 | preglow | i would have thought resuming meant doing that anyway |
| 01:27:01 | KlrSpz | i'd also like to be able to define out-file paths, and maybe masks for the filenames (not really needed, but would be neat) |
| 01:27:11 | Mikachu | preglow: what about just drawing the letters in another color and not doing a bar at all? |
| 01:27:28 | KlrSpz | Mikachu, that's what i was saying earlier |
| 01:27:33 | lostlogic | preglow: resuming uses a different mechanism "offset" not "seek" not sure what the difference is, but it seems to make one. |
| 01:28:36 | KlrSpz | are there docs on the site about setting up the compile environ? |
| 01:28:50 | Mikachu | KlrSpz: sorry, didn't read everything |
| 01:29:10 | KlrSpz | Mikachu, yeah i figured, but i agree that i'd like that |
| 01:29:15 | preglow | Mikachu: might work, but i like the extra visual cue the bar gives |
| 01:29:35 | Mikachu | what about a rectangle drawn around the text? |
| 01:30:05 | preglow | you mean just like now? :) |
| 01:31:01 | KlrSpz | preglow, not filled |
| 01:31:08 | preglow | urgh |
| 01:31:36 | KlrSpz | polymorphism would make that easy |
| 01:31:59 | preglow | it's not exactly hard without it either |
| 01:32:10 | preglow | we use function pointers now anyway, which is exactly the same |
| 01:32:12 | Mikachu | it already supports another mode |
| 01:32:55 | Mikachu | omg i accidentally discovered a new feature in gvim |
| 01:33:04 | Mikachu | if you doubleclick a parenthesis, it will select all text until the matching one |
| 01:33:04 | KlrSpz | well you'd be able to pass it an object of which you'd like to draw |
| 01:33:09 | KlrSpz | instead of calling a diff function |
| 01:33:29 | KlrSpz | then the object you pass would have it's own DRAW method |
| 01:33:32 | preglow | Mikachu: ! |
| 01:35:40 | Mikachu | preglow: you use gvim? |
| 01:35:48 | Mikachu | or are you laughing at me for using it? |
| 01:36:04 | preglow | Mikachu: i'm using gvim |
| 01:36:18 | amiconn | KlrSpz: Rockbox is plain C, not C++, so there are not objects |
| 01:36:22 | amiconn | (fortunately) |
| 01:36:28 | KlrSpz | why is that fortunate? |
| 01:36:36 | KlrSpz | sounds unfortunate to me |
| 01:36:48 | preglow | it helps us to avoid dynamic memory allocation |
| 01:36:56 | KlrSpz | i see |
| 01:37:01 | preglow | coding c++ with no dynamic memory isn't very fun |
| 01:37:12 | KlrSpz | yeah, kinda defeats the purpose |
| 01:37:15 | amiconn | I sure as hell wouldn't touch rockbox if it would be written in C++ |
| 01:37:28 | lostlogic | hmm... correctly detecting "Playlist automatically ending because it's the end of the playlist" in order to save a NULL resume position is nontrivial. |
| 01:37:29 | preglow | KlrSpz: plus, a lot of the old timers here have an irrational hate when it comes to c++ ;) |
| 01:37:35 | KlrSpz | i wasn't under the axiom of minimal memory usage |
| 01:37:50 | KlrSpz | lo siento |
| 01:37:52 | Mikachu | i think a lot of the arguments from linux not using c++ also apply here, and i say that without remembering any of them |
| 01:37:59 | kapheine | irrational? :P |
| 01:38:10 | Mikachu | i don't like c++ because i don't know c++ :) |
| 01:38:10 | preglow | KlrSpz: nah, not minimal, we just want to save every last possible byte of memory for the mp3 file buffer |
| 01:38:25 | preglow | KlrSpz: if we had dynamic memory, we'd have to reserve a ton for the allocation pool |
| 01:38:27 | KlrSpz | sounds minimal to me, and i understand it |
| 01:38:46 | lostlogic | break time. |
| 01:38:48 | preglow | c++ is good enough |
| 01:38:57 | KlrSpz | i wasn't really considering the device's specs |
| 01:38:58 | preglow | too full of kludges, but ok |
| 01:39:10 | KlrSpz | now that i'm in that perspective, it's clear |
| 01:39:18 | preglow | and it tries to be c compatible, which is bad |
| 01:39:22 | * | amiconn tries to avoid oo in general |
| 01:39:24 | preglow | makes it heaps more complex than it should be |
| 01:39:28 | amiconn | It gives me headaches |
| 01:39:37 | preglow | well, it's another way to think |
| 01:39:41 | preglow | oo in general is nice for bigger thing |
| 01:39:42 | preglow | s |
| 01:39:42 | KlrSpz | i love OOP |
| 01:40:00 | preglow | it pretty much forces you to make a good interface |
| 01:40:03 | kapheine | I'm with amiconn on that one :P |
| 01:40:04 | preglow | which is good |
| 01:40:16 | KlrSpz | that's mostly what i do.. thinking in non oop would be hard for me at first |
| 01:40:40 | preglow | i mostly use c++ for work |
| 01:40:45 | KlrSpz | so yeah, actually... let's talk compiling environment.. is there any docs on it? |
| 01:40:48 | KlrSpz | s/is/are |
| 01:40:50 | preglow | well, yeah |
| 01:40:52 | preglow | windows or linux? |
| 01:40:55 | KlrSpz | either |
| 01:41:01 | preglow | linux is the best |
| 01:41:08 | preglow | then you just need to set up cross compilers |
| 01:41:09 | KlrSpz | if linux, i don't have xfree compiled or anything |
| 01:41:11 | preglow | and you're good to go |
| 01:41:15 | preglow | you don't need xfree |
| 01:41:17 | KlrSpz | good |
| 01:41:23 | KlrSpz | i was reading about a simulator that sounded neat |
| 01:41:25 | preglow | all you need is the cross compilers, cvs and an editor of your choice |
| 01:41:35 | preglow | for the sim you'll need sdl and something sdl supports |
| 01:41:43 | preglow | sdl might support svgalib still :> |
| 01:41:44 | KlrSpz | k, so how do i get the cross compilers and cvs going? |
| 01:41:58 | Tobu | lostlogic: shouldn't it resume at the start of the playlist?* |
| 01:42:25 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 01:42:28 | KlrSpz | preglow, i really don't want to bother anyone, so if there are docs i can read them.. otherwise if you'd kindly help me get it going i'd also appreciate that |
| 01:42:32 | Mikachu | you can probably use aalib with sdl |
| 01:42:33 | Mikachu | :P |
| 01:42:39 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 01:42:43 | lostlogic | Tobu: no, it should clear the resume position if playback ends |
| 01:42:50 | preglow | KlrSpz: the last link should be ok |
| 01:43:09 | KlrSpz | gratzi |
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| 01:43:46 | preglow | still no one with spdif here? :> |
| 01:43:46 | Galois | you can do sort-of pseudo OO coding in C, like the GNOME project does |
| 01:44:00 | preglow | Galois: lots of people do that, and when taken to extremes,it's the worst thing i know |
| 01:44:16 | preglow | but when done with moderation, it's very neat |
| 01:44:27 | preglow | for spdif people: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/spdif_recording.patch |
| 01:44:34 | preglow | give me feedback here, i'll read the logs |
| 01:44:50 | Tobu | lostlogic: if you mean the position to resume at reboot, I disagree |
| 01:45:31 | lostlogic | Tobu: I didn't design it, I'm juts trying to make it functino as designed. |
| 01:46:07 | Tobu | :D |
| 01:46:12 | amiconn | preglow: Suddenly I am thinking of libflac, can you tell me why? ;) |
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| 01:48:26 | preglow | amiconn: nah, can't imagine why |
| 01:48:35 | preglow | now enough about that, i plan to sleep soon |
| 01:48:49 | preglow | thinking about libflac does not make for a good night's sleep |
| 01:49:52 | blindx | So can I play video on my iPod using rockbox? (I don't have a video iPod, but I know that was a feature with iPodLinux) |
| 01:49:52 | preglow | amiconn: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac/2006-February/000547.html :) |
| 01:50:00 | amiconn | lostlogic: Something is wrong with playlist ends... |
| 01:50:17 | lostlogic | amiconn: :( specifically? |
| 01:50:24 | amiconn | My album should have ended just now, but instead the playback code started repeating the last track |
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| 01:51:16 | lostlogic | amiconn: dangit |
| 01:51:23 | preglow | that mail pretty much sums up what i feel about libflac, but in more polite terms |
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| 01:52:16 | preglow | whatboutbob: in the nick of time |
| 01:52:20 | preglow | whatboutbob: wanna test spdif? |
| 01:52:38 | whatboutbob | of course. :) |
| 01:52:48 | preglow | whatboutbob: can you compile yourself now, or should i make you a build? |
| 01:53:12 | whatboutbob | after an epic battle yesterday i can now compile again... |
| 01:53:24 | blindx | hmm.. |
| 01:53:26 | lostlogic | amiconn: bagh, that code looks right, and it worked when I tested it a while ago. :( |
| 01:53:28 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/spdif_recording.patch |
| 01:53:30 | preglow | then just use that patch |
| 01:53:32 | whatboutbob | did you see there's another user in the forum that's reporting the same issue? |
| 01:53:45 | preglow | whatboutbob: beware, i just discovered you need to have optical out option ON |
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| 01:54:49 | preglow | finished build is here: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.iriver |
| 01:54:54 | preglow | it will clobber your settings |
| 01:55:22 | Membrillo | anyone know why this page isn't updated anymore? |
| 01:55:23 | Membrillo | http://www.rockbox.org/auto/output/last5.html |
| 01:56:33 | Mikachu | preglow: haha, that's some mail (flac) |
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| 01:57:36 | preglow | Mikachu: better than they deserve |
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| 01:59:38 | whatboutbob | preglow: ah...was that was stuffing us up? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:03 | preglow | whatboutbob: no, there were further bugs too, which i THINK i've solved |
| 02:00:10 | preglow | like i said, works here |
| 02:00:22 | whatboutbob | hehe...just like the last one. :) |
| 02:00:34 | preglow | that sometimes worked here, heh |
| 02:00:35 | whatboutbob | grr...ok...vmware's hanging on me. *sigh* |
| 02:00:37 | preglow | i can't make this one crash |
| 02:00:41 | Membrillo | no one knows aout thay page? ^^ |
| 02:00:42 | whatboutbob | any chance i could get a precompilation? |
| 02:00:50 | preglow | whatboutbob: there's a link a page up |
| 02:01:01 | whatboutbob | bah. blind. thanks. |
| 02:01:18 | preglow | Membrillo: i've never seen it... |
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| 02:01:45 | Mikachu | Membrillo: just look at the frontpage |
| 02:02:09 | KlrSpz | preglow, is gcc 3.4.5-r1 good enough? it says 3.4.4 in the wiki, jus tnot sure |
| 02:02:34 | Membrillo | nah, it was made especially for me. I use it in my rockbox updater app. i was just wondering why it doesnt stay updated |
| 02:02:37 | preglow | yeah, should be just fine |
| 02:04:15 | Membrillo | ummm, weird, i just updated my build and im now getting codec errors whenever i try to play .mp3s |
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| 02:05:30 | whatboutbob | preglow: no dice. :( I enabled optical output and i'm still getting stuck @ 8kb |
| 02:05:45 | KlrSpz | preglow, so should i go latest on everything else except the gcc core? |
| 02:06:16 | preglow | ARGHGFHFH |
| 02:06:22 | Membrillo | ah, fixed. just had to regresh settings |
| 02:06:24 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: you just need the latest ibnutils and gcc 3.4.6 |
| 02:06:31 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: if you are building for coldfire |
| 02:06:33 | | Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:06:38 | KlrSpz | arm |
| 02:06:46 | lostlogic | then use 4.0.3 |
| 02:06:53 | KlrSpz | hmm |
| 02:07:06 | KlrSpz | i can use gcc-config to toggle between them right? |
| 02:07:28 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: uhh... this is a cross compiler, it's not something you'll use for building anything for your system. |
| 02:07:39 | lostlogic | are you using gentoo's crossdev or something? I don't recommend it. |
| 02:07:45 | KlrSpz | so you want me to compile it somewhere else? |
| 02:07:48 | preglow | whatboutbob: i don't get it, i switch on my player, go to the recording screen, switch from mic to digital, and when i'm back in the recording screen, i can immediately hear the spdif input. when i record, everything goes as it should |
| 02:08:14 | whatboutbob | wait...i reset .cfg and it works! |
| 02:08:16 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: you're building a cross compiler, not a host compiler, even if you install a 4.0.3 cross compiler in /usr it won't overwrite or be used in place of your host cc |
| 02:08:22 | * | preglow thanks god |
| 02:08:29 | whatboutbob | ...or at least i'm getting levels... |
| 02:08:41 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, yeah unless the package system removes it? |
| 02:08:46 | preglow | well, if it crashes the first time, i'm not too hopeful |
| 02:08:56 | preglow | whatboutbob: nothing in earphones? |
| 02:09:02 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: are you using crossdev? |
| 02:09:13 | KlrSpz | don't think so, no |
| 02:09:20 | KlrSpz | i'm on gentoo |
| 02:09:36 | lostlogic | gatherd that already. |
| 02:09:38 | KlrSpz | haven't done much manual compiling on this, mostly c# stuff (which is cake) |
| 02:09:53 | lostlogic | you can't juts emerge a cross compiler. |
| 02:09:56 | blindx | So can I play video on my iPod using rockbox? (I don't have a video iPod, but I know that was a feature with iPodLinux) |
| 02:10:09 | lostlogic | you can either use crossdev, or you can compile it by hand and install it in /usr/local or your home dir. |
| 02:10:16 | preglow | blindx: no video |
| 02:10:20 | KlrSpz | hmm ok |
| 02:10:24 | blindx | shucks. in the future? |
| 02:10:27 | preglow | blindx: sure |
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| 02:10:27 | KlrSpz | which do you suggest? |
| 02:10:32 | preglow | blindx: but it's not a big deal for us |
| 02:10:45 | blindx | it's not a big deal, per se. but it would be pretty neat. |
| 02:10:47 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: dunno, home machine I use it in home, server I have it in /usr/local |
| 02:11:10 | KlrSpz | i was thinking of making a user, and putting it in it's home |
| 02:11:28 | Mikachu | that would be a bit silly |
| 02:11:29 | preglow | whatboutbob: status update?!?! |
| 02:11:32 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: why would you do that? Then your own user would have a hard time using it!? |
| 02:11:33 | KlrSpz | would it? |
| 02:11:45 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: either put it in th euser you will develop on's home dir, or in /usr/local. |
| 02:11:45 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, why is that? |
| 02:11:50 | lostlogic | Just trust me, seroiusly. |
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| 02:12:08 | Mikachu | i have mine in /usr/local/ipod-chain :) |
| 02:12:36 | KlrSpz | so making a user, and putting it in that user's home would be a bad idea? i mean i would log in as that user to do everything of course |
| 02:12:44 | amiconn | Ugh, I just noticed the remote scroll settings aren't settable... |
| 02:12:45 | lostlogic | On my server I just have mine in /usr/local/{lib,bin,share,whatever} because it means they're in everyone's path so rbclient and my user can use them easily |
| 02:12:52 | whatboutbob | start/stop fie thus far. |
| 02:12:59 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: just seems islly to have an extra user for this... |
| 02:13:09 | Mikachu | KlrSpz: i don't understand why you would want another user for it, it's not like someone would put exploits in rockbox cvs |
| 02:13:12 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: this is a separate C compiler, it will not interract in any way wiht things you are compiling for your host system. |
| 02:13:15 | whatboutbob | transferring files to review now. |
| 02:13:24 | amiconn | (but my improved remote lcd init is rock-solid now) |
| 02:13:24 | KlrSpz | i'm not afraid of exploits, just trying to keep projects separated |
| 02:13:33 | Mikachu | KlrSpz: mkdir |
| 02:13:43 | KlrSpz | dirs++ |
| 02:13:50 | KlrSpz | just get's ugly |
| 02:14:14 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: sup'to you, it's certainly not what I'd do. |
| 02:14:35 | * | whatboutbob stands and applauds preglow. |
| 02:14:49 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, i'm more afraid of it getting lost in all the crap i have on there |
| 02:15:04 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: then just install it in /usr/local where it's safe from your /home stuff |
| 02:15:08 | preglow | \o/ |
| 02:15:17 | preglow | whatboutbob: i just hope it can stand further testing |
| 02:15:26 | lostlogic | then it'll be in your path, and you can compile rockbox without having to worry about it |
| 02:15:30 | preglow | whatboutbob: anywho, thanks for testing |
| 02:15:32 | preglow | i gotta sleep now |
| 02:15:36 | lostlogic | g'night preglow |
| 02:15:42 | preglow | night |
| 02:15:43 | Mikachu | preglow: good night |
| 02:15:47 | whatboutbob | night preglow. well done. |
| 02:16:26 | whatboutbob | preglow: do you mind if i post the link for the precompiled version on the forum for further testing? |
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| 02:19:08 | Membrillo | is the h300 having pwrmgt issues lately? my h300 keeps shutting off randomly even if plugged into AC |
| 02:19:37 | blindx | can rockbox play .wmas? |
| 02:19:49 | Membrillo | no |
| 02:20:03 | blindx | ok |
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| 02:20:05 | Membrillo | if they do, it wont be for quite a while |
| 02:20:15 | Membrillo | if it does i should say |
| 02:20:28 | Mikachu | not quite following that |
| 02:21:22 | Membrillo | if rockbox does eventually play .wmas, it won't be for quite a while. how is that? |
| 02:21:31 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 02:23:04 | Membrillo | so who should I talk to about my conundrum with that CVS page? |
| 02:24:11 | Moos | which one? |
| 02:24:16 | Membrillo | http://www.rockbox.org/auto/output/last5.html |
| 02:24:38 | Membrillo | i think its just got something to do with the URL system of rockbox.org changing |
| 02:24:50 | Membrillo | theres a 'dist' in a lot of the URLs now |
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| 02:25:15 | Moos | http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 02:25:38 | Moos | this one? there is in the rockbox.org home page |
| 02:26:24 | Membrillo | no, thats updated daily, last5 updated with each commit. it was exactly the same as the one on the frontpage. I just need it for the rockbox updater app im finishing |
| 02:26:52 | Moos | Bagder: you can fixe the front to "hourly" now :) |
| 02:27:00 | Moos | hourly |
| 02:27:20 | Moos | but you can ask Bagder for this, probably sleeping at this hour |
| 02:27:29 | Mikachu | Membrillo: shouldn't be too hard to parse the frontpage either |
| 02:28:45 | Membrillo | its a lot more difficult. I've just built a simple web browser into my app and i just pointed to that page. No parsing needed... getting that page to update again would be very useful |
| 02:30:00 | Moos | time to sleep here, night or whatever all |
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| 02:34:58 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 02:36:06 | amiconn | lostlogic: The wps multi-update bug is also still there... |
| 02:36:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: you are the bearer of bad news. |
| 02:36:55 | lostlogic | amiconn: manual track change? On or off of disk buffer? |
| 02:37:23 | dj-fu | is there a cvs changelog anywhere? |
| 02:37:24 | amiconn | Just resumed, and the wps updates every 2..3 seconds roughly 10 times... |
| 02:37:55 | Kyomi | >_< |
| 02:38:00 | |Unknown| | can someone fix this theme? www.utreasure.net/Green_s04.rar |
| 02:38:12 | Kyomi | What in the everliving hell is wrong with my h320? |
| 02:38:15 | |Unknown| | idk why but the main background in the wps file doesnt show up |
| 02:38:29 | |Unknown| | and the main background file desnt show up |
| 02:38:34 | lostlogic | amiconn: oh, is it a problem, or just that it gets updated lots? I did hta ton purpose so that the next track info would populate earlier |
| 02:38:55 | Kyomi | I'm trying to copy a 1.81GB rar file to my h320 and 1/4th the way through it says it can't find it and the usb disconnects/reconnects |
| 02:39:03 | Kyomi | It's like it's not allowing me to copy it over |
| 02:39:09 | Kyomi | Any other kind of file works fine |
| 02:39:18 | lostlogic | Kyomi: are you using rockbox disk mode or iriver's disk mode? |
| 02:39:21 | lostlogic | try the other |
| 02:39:25 | amiconn | lostlogic: Updating all info multiple times is a problem, because that restarts scrolling lines |
| 02:39:30 | amiconn | Looks really odd... |
| 02:39:39 | Kyomi | lostlogic: it happens with both |
| 02:39:52 | lostlogic | amiconn: ooohhh... forgot about that. bah, will hafta come up with a better sol'n |
| 02:39:58 | Kyomi | The only thing I haven't tried is bootloader usb mode |
| 02:40:18 | lostlogic | Kyomi: then it's probably hardware. You could also try setting your computer to a lower speed USB mode, or using a different computer. |
| 02:40:19 | Mikachu | Kyomi: maybe the problem is with the file on your computer |
| 02:40:23 | lostlogic | or that |
| 02:40:28 | dj-fu | It's probably a windows issue |
| 02:40:31 | * | dj-fu nods |
| 02:40:43 | * | |Unknown| wants to know if someone fix this theme? www.utreasure.net/Green_s04.rar |
| 02:40:51 | Kyomi | lostlogic: You know... copying a 1.81GB file through internet is really unpleasent |
| 02:41:00 | amiconn | Okay, just tried again. Also happens after normal trackchange... |
| 02:41:19 | Mikachu | Kyomi: nah, takes about 8 minutes ;) |
| 02:41:40 | Kyomi | I had this problem before with a 70somethingMB video file |
| 02:41:41 | lostlogic | amiconn: each time a track is read from disk it's updated currently, like I said, it was deliberate, because i forgot that updating more than once is a bad thing. |
| 02:41:47 | Kyomi | It was the only one that wouldn't copy |
| 02:41:57 | Kyomi | But I just zipped it and it worked fine |
| 02:41:58 | Mikachu | lostlogic: on automatic trackchange, nearing the end of the from-song, should the info change to the next file a few seconds/moments before it switches songs? |
| 02:42:04 | Mikachu | (swcodec on nano still) |
| 02:42:05 | |Unknown| | Mikachu: It would take me over a month to download a 1.81GB file ); |
| 02:42:26 | lostlogic | Mikachu: depends if you are crossfading or not |
| 02:42:31 | Mikachu | not doing so |
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| 02:42:44 | lostlogic | Mikachu: then no, it shouldn't change tracks until the next track is heard. |
| 02:43:20 | Kyomi | Alright... lets try extracting it directly onto the H320 :P |
| 02:43:22 | Mikachu | okay, probably something i did then |
| 02:44:12 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 02:44:16 | Kyomi | Thats odd |
| 02:44:20 | lostlogic | Mikachu: could be a bug too... |
| 02:44:22 | Kyomi | It extracts it in bursts |
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| 02:44:41 | Kyomi | It looks like it's going to crash but then it zooms through it really fast then stops again |
| 02:44:47 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i'll try with the regular buffers |
| 02:45:26 | Kyomi | I swear my h320 hates me |
| 02:46:32 | Kyomi | On that note |
| 02:47:36 | Kyomi | Does anyone know a good place to buy a more powerful battery for an h320? |
| 02:48:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: try CVS I just committed, should do what you want it to. |
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| 02:48:24 | lostlogic | Kyomi: ebay, just get an ipod 1/2 gen battery, and don't forget to switch the leads |
| 02:48:28 | Kyomi | Alright |
| 02:48:31 | Kyomi | This thing freaking hates me |
| 02:48:35 | |Unknown| | can someone convert this to 5g theme? |
| 02:48:38 | |Unknown| | www.utreasure.net/Green_s04.rar |
| 02:49:10 | Mikachu | |Unknown|: maybe the lack of answers the first 34 times you asked means no? |
| 02:49:35 | Kyomi | Alrigh |
| 02:49:46 | |Unknown| | i wonder if i ask 34 more times |
| 02:49:49 | |Unknown| | ill get a response |
| 02:50:10 | Mikachu | hrm, looks like i have to make clean too |
| 02:50:15 | Kyomi | lostlogic: I've tried bootloader usb, rockbox usb, original firmware usb and they all reset themselves at the same place |
| 02:50:21 | Membrillo | as a general rule. No response = not possible or people are too busy |
| 02:51:25 | lostlogic | Kyomi: then it's either hardware, or it's your computer. |
| 02:51:30 | Kyomi | The file is 1.81GB and it says I have 1.82GB |
| 02:51:34 | Kyomi | free on the h320 |
| 02:51:48 | Kyomi | lostlogic: Strange thing is I can copy over anything else without a problem |
| 02:52:00 | Mikachu | Kyomi: can you copy the file somewhere else than your h320? |
| 02:52:19 | Kyomi | I dunno |
| 02:52:20 | Kyomi | lemme see |
| 02:52:54 | lostlogic | Kyomi: and it's obviously ont a rockbox problem, so you might try asking somewhere like misticriver instead of #rockbox. |
| 02:53:30 | Kyomi | I had this problem before with a video file transfering through rockbox.. but I just zipped it and it worked fine |
| 02:53:47 | Mikachu | okay, buffer size back to vanilla |
| 02:53:58 | midgey34 | |Unknown|: someone else already posted a version similar to that for the 5G on the WPSGallery, but you'll need a number of patches applied and you'll need to compile on your own |
| 02:54:01 | midgey34 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#iPod_Green5g |
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| 02:54:31 | amiconn | lostlogic: Ugh! Now I get the playback hang... |
| 02:54:53 | lostlogic | shit. |
| 02:55:02 | amiconn | ..but somehow my cvs up told me it updated more files than just playback.c ?? |
| 02:55:16 | Mikachu | lostlogic: hm yeah it doesn't happen now |
| 02:55:22 | Mikachu | lostlogic: you're off the hook :) |
| 02:55:31 | amiconn | murks |
| 02:55:47 | Kyomi | Hmmm |
| 02:56:02 | lostlogic | w. t. f. *cvs ups and updaets his player* |
| 02:56:14 | Kyomi | Mikachu: I can copy that file to another hard drive fine |
| 02:56:25 | Kyomi | Maybe it's the usb port? |
| 02:56:48 | * | amiconn hates maybe-bug |
| 02:56:55 | * | amiconn has an idea... |
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| 02:57:45 | amiconn | Hmm, shit |
| 02:57:59 | amiconn | Not the cause I thought.. |
| 02:58:16 | amiconn | It worked after rebooting with voice enabled |
| 02:58:19 | Kyomi | The "shit" bug is contagious... it's already claimed lostlogic and amiconn |
| 02:58:39 | Mikachu | don't let the shit bugs bite |
| 02:58:47 | Kyomi | Hmm |
| 02:58:50 | lostlogic | dung beatles? |
| 02:58:52 | amiconn | ...so I thought the hang happens when a voice file is present but voice is disabled |
| 02:58:58 | amiconn | ...but that's not the case |
| 02:59:05 | Kyomi | When I try to move it to my player 1/4th the way though it says cannot find the file specified |
| 02:59:53 | lostlogic | I almost always operate with voice disabled and a voice file present |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:17 | amiconn | lostlogic: Now the info reset only happens once ~2sec after resuming |
| 03:00:32 | lostlogic | right, in order to update the next track info |
| 03:00:44 | amiconn | Well, if it's a race, you may experience the hang sooner or later |
| 03:00:45 | lostlogic | tehre is not currently a separate update for next track |
| 03:00:58 | lostlogic | indeed, I'm on the look out for the race. |
| 03:01:12 | amiconn | I got it once now |
| 03:01:35 | amiconn | WPS was shown and the disk icon was lit, but time didn't count and no music |
| 03:01:41 | lostlogic | I'm sure if I look at startup sequences that are effected by spin up times it'll become point |
| 03:01:49 | amiconn | I was still able to stop & get out of the wps that way |
| 03:02:01 | lostlogic | s/point/apparent/ |
| 03:02:15 | amiconn | Retrying several times always had the same effect. |
| 03:02:22 | amiconn | A reboot fixed it |
| 03:02:33 | lostlogic | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 03:02:45 | lostlogic | so it's perhaps a bootup race between threads with the voice_init call or something... |
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| 03:03:35 | amiconn | Just 2 lines of text on the remote look funny... |
| 03:03:42 | amiconn | (24px font) |
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| 03:07:03 | midgey34 | lostlogic: I just cvs uped to the most current commit and all track changes seem to be broken |
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| 03:07:14 | dj-fu | is there a cvs changelog anywhere |
| 03:07:16 | dj-fu | ? :D |
| 03:07:21 | Mikachu | rockbox.org |
| 03:07:22 | midgey34 | manual and normal both freeze the player (h320) |
| 03:07:40 | midgey34 | using MP3 files |
| 03:08:40 | lostlogic | midgey34: can you tell me anything else specific about your player that might impact it? I'm skipping around during and not during fill, on and off buffer without trouble. |
| 03:08:54 | lostlogic | midgey34: do you use crossfade? |
| 03:09:08 | midgey34 | scratch that, track changes work fine with crossfade disabled |
| 03:09:15 | lostlogic | so crossfade is broken :( |
| 03:09:20 | midgey34 | seems so |
| 03:09:32 | lostlogic | what are your crossfade settings? |
| 03:09:45 | Mikachu | hm, setting the seconds += line to 10 works, but 15 doesn't |
| 03:09:58 | Mikachu | conclusion, i will use 10 |
| 03:10:09 | lostlogic | Mikachu: weird. |
| 03:10:29 | Mikachu | my test isn't entirely scientific since i didn't use the same track for testing |
| 03:10:33 | lostlogic | Mikachu: have you seen a positive battery life benefit from using that large buffer? |
| 03:11:03 | Mikachu | i haven't done any battery life tests.. |
| 03:11:24 | lostlogic | midgey34: ...? |
| 03:12:15 | midgey34 | yep, setting crossfade to shuffle and to track change only both freeze the player but if its set to always, it doesn't freeze sometimes, but there's no fading |
| 03:12:22 | Mikachu | okay, tried the same track now with the same result |
| 03:12:31 | lostlogic | midgey34: and your settings? |
| 03:12:39 | midgey34 | for crossfade? |
| 03:12:41 | lostlogic | yeah |
| 03:12:43 | Mikachu | this is not with the normal plugin buffer size btw |
| 03:12:43 | midgey34 | one sec, let me reboot |
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| 03:14:21 | midgey34 | Fade-in delay: 0 s, Fade-In duration: 1 s, Fade-Out Delay: 1 s, Fade_out Duration: 1 s, Fade-Out Mode: Crossfade |
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| 03:15:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: This might be of interest to you: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3788.0 |
| 03:16:58 | Kyomi | Alright.... this is really creepy |
| 03:17:04 | Kyomi | That file I said wouldn't copy..... |
| 03:17:17 | Kyomi | I just zipped the .rar and it seems to copy fine now |
| 03:17:32 | Kyomi | Does it just not like solid archived .rars? |
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| 03:23:31 | amiconn | Blargh |
| 03:23:35 | lostlogic | midgey34: I can't reproduce any kind of freeze with those settings, shuffle, track skip, or always, can you give me any further information? |
| 03:23:59 | amiconn | Mono bitmap drawing on 16bit LCDs is definitely in need of optimisation :/ |
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| 03:28:55 | midgey34 | lostlogic: what else would be useful to know? |
| 03:30:34 | lostlogic | midgey34: ok, so settings are the time settings mentioned above, with track skip only crossfade enabled, and you are playing music of what format, and are skipping when the target track is on or off buffer? |
| 03:31:13 | mtnbkr | Hi people... Anyone know if a loan of a 2nd Gen 10GB ipod to a dev be helpful in getting rockbox support for it? |
| 03:33:56 | midgey34 | lostlogic: crossfade is actually set to shuffle and I'm using MP3 (192kbps or VBR encoded with lame) I just created a playlist and let a song play for 1.04 and hit >> and the player froze |
| 03:34:36 | midgey34 | HDD is not spinning |
| 03:34:46 | lostlogic | midgey34: ty *tries that* |
| 03:37:20 | lostlogic | bagh, worked flawlessly! /me joins amiconn hating maybebugs |
| 03:37:44 | midgey34 | hmm, ill clear my other settings and try again |
| 03:39:18 | lostlogic | sigh, I should really fix the bug that freezes playback if I hit play and next in rapid succession... been in my TODO for a really long time. |
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| 03:41:06 | midgey34 | hmm, works with settings cleared and crossfade seems to be working |
| 03:41:20 | lostlogic | the world hates you. |
| 03:41:36 | lostlogic | but seriously if you do figure out exactly what setting caused the problem, let me know :) |
| 03:41:40 | midgey34 | seems so |
| 03:41:43 | midgey34 | I will |
| 03:43:40 | lostlogic | bagh, I should do laundry. I hate doing laundry. |
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| 03:55:06 | Shonky | Winner! I have cracked the encryption on the Gigabeat :) Totally primitive and really only just obscuring things. |
| 03:55:28 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 03:56:40 | lostlogic | who else was working on the gigabeat port? are you working with him? |
| 03:57:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, pretty easy to reproduce bug has been found. |
| 03:57:25 | lostlogic | do tell |
| 03:57:35 | lostlogic | (so I can go on ignoring bugs :-P) |
| 03:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Play a song. While that song's playing, leave the WPS, browse to another song, and click it. |
| 03:57:47 | lostlogic | on the wiki already |
| 03:57:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Gotcha |
| 03:58:04 | lostlogic | I have some inkling of how to kill it, but haven't actually killed it yet |
| 03:58:06 | Shonky | Markun. We are talking and he gave me a few bits of info, plus he started disassembling the bootloader which is where the decryption is done. Without that I wouldn't haven't gotten this far so quickly. |
| 03:58:17 | lostlogic | cool! |
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| 04:00:03 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: The wiki page is definitely a good resource both fo ryou and bug reporters, as it gigves some idea what's been fixed recently as well as what issues I already know about, plus some friendly people (hardeep) have picked up some bugs from the wiki page nad fixed them so I don't have to. |
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| 04:05:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah. I know about the wiki page, I just didn't check it with this one because the guy said it'd been happening since the 20th, but it's never happened to me until I just CVS upped, and I swear it didn't even happen with the build I made this morning (though it almost must've I suppose.) |
| 04:08:00 | midgey34 | lostlogic: it appears the problem does have to do with crossfade. setting the player to shuffled with crossfade on shuffle freezes at track changes. setting the player to shuffle with crossfade off works fine. setting the player to no shuffle with crossfade on shuffle works fine. setting the player to shuffle off and crossfade always also freezes the player |
| 04:09:29 | midgey34 | with a cleared player with shuffle and crossfade enabled on shuffle, it freezes |
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| 04:11:04 | lostlogic | midgey34: very strange, because I almost always use shuffle | repeat-shuffle, and that's the mode I was testing crossfade on :( |
| 04:12:49 | midgey34 | this time though, the hdd was spinning |
| 04:13:41 | lostlogic | :( still having no luck reproducing |
| 04:13:47 | lostlogic | bbiab, laundry |
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| 04:27:14 | midgey34 | lostlogic: here's exactly what I do to get a freeze |
| 04:27:34 | midgey34 | I turn on the player and hold record to clear settings. Then I go into the menu and set Crossfade to Shuffle, fade-in delay: 0s, fade-in duration: 1s, fade-out delay: 1s, fade-out duration: 1s, fade-out mode: crossfade. Then I set shuffle to on. Go back to the browser, navigate to "/Music/Artic Monkeys/Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not" hold navi and choose playlist > insert. Then I wait until the virtual led dissappears |
| 04:29:20 | midgey34 | that's about as specific as I can be |
| 04:36:25 | lostlogic | midgey34: after all that, you press next? |
| 04:36:48 | lostlogic | midgey34: I wonder if it has to do with creating the playlist with navi vs. selecting the first file to play fromt he dir. |
| 04:37:45 | midgey34 | yes I hit next (looks like >>| on the player) |
| 04:40:16 | dj-fu | quick question, what does Crossfeed actually do? |
| 04:40:18 | midgey34 | and doing the same thing but selecting the file instead of inserting them by holding navi freezes as well |
| 04:40:38 | lostlogic | midgey34: you are on H3x0, right? |
| 04:40:44 | midgey34 | dj-fu: mixes some of the left channel to play in the right speaker and vice versa |
| 04:40:48 | midgey34 | lostlogic: yes |
| 04:41:02 | dj-fu | now, why would you want to do that? |
| 04:41:04 | lostlogic | midgey34: this is officially either platform specific, or at least performance specific, but I'll see what I can find :-\ |
| 04:41:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: The easiest solution is to google the term "crossfeed" |
| 04:41:37 | dj-fu | ah |
| 04:41:40 | dj-fu | it sounds better, ic |
| 04:41:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: It mixes a very small amount and introduces a slight delay to the mixed portion to better simulate the sound you'd hear from speakers as opposed to earphones. |
| 04:41:48 | midgey34 | dj-fu: some tracks have a very heavy difference in sound in each channel |
| 04:42:13 | midgey34 | lostlogic: are you on h1x0? |
| 04:42:33 | lostlogic | midgey34: ipod 5g |
| 04:42:37 | dj-fu | I'll reboot to windows and try the crossfeed plugin for foobar, as I can't seem to get nonskipping playback with crossfeed enabled on my nano |
| 04:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: It's only really useful if you're using ear/headphones, so make sure to plug some in instead of using speakers |
| 04:43:09 | midgey34 | could have something to do with gcc being dumb? |
| 04:43:23 | dj-fu | yeah, the speakers on my lappy are shocking - I always use headphones |
| 04:43:25 | * | Paul_The_Nerd goes to build an h120 build. |
| 04:43:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll see if I can reproduce |
| 04:43:39 | lostlogic | midgey34: I'm guessing it's something to do with timing that varies between the platforms due to performance differences. |
| 04:43:43 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks |
| 04:44:07 | midgey34 | hmm what do I type in bash to see what gcc I'm running |
| 04:44:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | m68k-elf-gcc −−version |
| 04:44:19 | lostlogic | gcc -dumpversion |
| 04:44:27 | lostlogic | mm, yeah, what he said |
| 04:44:29 | dj-fu | is someone working on using the second core on the iPod's? from what I've been told, when this is solved I'll be able to have crossfeeded-equalisered music, without skipping? |
| 04:45:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: It's not a priority at all since the iPod port is still more for devs than users. |
| 04:45:04 | midgey34 | alright I'm on 3.4.5 compiling until cygwin |
| 04:45:33 | dj-fu | ah, I understand it's still very new, but it's really the only showstopper I've seen |
| 04:45:49 | dj-fu | i'm even content with using it, while skipping due to the fact I can just drag'n'drop music :P |
| 04:46:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: I don't get any skipping on my Nano, but then I don't use the equalizer. |
| 04:46:32 | dj-fu | yeah, with eq & crossfeed disabled, using zezayer wps, I still get occasional skips |
| 04:46:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | So don't use crossfeed |
| 04:46:58 | midgey34 | dj-fu: what files and bitrates? |
| 04:47:13 | dj-fu | no Paul_The_Nerd, eq and crossfeed are both disabled |
| 04:47:21 | dj-fu | midgey34, mp3, mostly cbr, some are vbr |
| 04:47:25 | dj-fu | all between 128-320k |
| 04:47:38 | dj-fu | is there a better supported format? |
| 04:47:39 | lostlogic | dj-fu: does that wps have a peakmeter on it? |
| 04:47:46 | dj-fu | lostlogic, no, it does not |
| 04:47:47 | lostlogic | ogg is faster on ipod. |
| 04:47:54 | dj-fu | I see |
| 04:47:59 | * | dj-fu ponders converting 10gb of music to ogg |
| 04:47:59 | lostlogic | s/ogg/vorbis/ |
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| 04:48:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: Odd, on my Nano, I don't get any skipping on MP3 music... |
| 04:48:15 | lostlogic | onr I on my 5g |
| 04:48:23 | lostlogic | unless I turn on crossfeed or eq |
| 04:48:43 | dj-fu | yeah, i was told to disable crossfeed & eq but still get skips occasionally, so I dunno |
| 04:48:44 | dj-fu | lol |
| 04:49:08 | dj-fu | it's random though, I was listenining to a 100mb dnb set yesterday, no skips for the entire thing |
| 04:49:36 | lostlogic | depsnds on the content of the music −− I get occasional skips in very difficult sections of live albums |
| 04:50:24 | midgey34 | hmm to add to the "bugs" I found one with shutdown |
| 04:50:36 | lostlogic | ? |
| 04:51:18 | midgey34 | if you shut down while in the wps and the wps has a backdrop, everything is cleared but the backdrop remains and the splash says "shutting down" |
| 04:51:40 | lostlogic | ah, not mine :) |
| 04:52:09 | midgey34 | hmm, I'm running a version of HiPod 1.4 that works with cvs (no patches) |
| 04:52:26 | midgey34 | I modified it to get rid of the margins etc |
| 04:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, I tried it with an album of FLACs, it did not happen. With an album of MP3s and it did freeze |
| 04:53:53 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: *sigh* I hate bugs I can't reproduce. |
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| 04:56:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah, I can confirm the same thing *doesn't* happen on my Nano (though y'know, I don't know how much that says, being the Nano and all it seems to sometimes be a unique case for bugs) |
| 04:56:54 | lostlogic | does'nt happen on nano, nor 5g, but does on 140 and 340 |
| 04:57:14 | lostlogic | wonder if it has to do with FIQ vs. DMA |
| 04:57:49 | midgey34 | I wonder if the x5 has problems as well; I assume it would. |
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| 04:57:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems odd that it happens when Crossfade is enabled, but in a situation where the music doesn't actually crossfade. |
| 04:58:02 | lostlogic | probably yeah, but would beinteresting |
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| 04:58:18 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah... could be a helpful clue... |
| 04:59:46 | midgey34 | hmm, h300-sim crashes too... |
| 04:59:53 | midgey34 | doing the same thing I did above |
| 05:00 |
| 05:01:03 | midgey34 | here's what stderr.txt reads at the end |
| 05:01:05 | midgey34 | Warning: skipping 626 bytes of garbage |
| 05:01:05 | midgey34 | Header: fffbb004, Ver 0, lay 3, bitr 192, freq 44100, chmode 0, mode_ext 0, emph 0, bytes: 626 time: 1280/49 |
| 05:01:05 | midgey34 | Space between ID3V2 tag and first audio frame: 0x272 bytes |
| 05:01:05 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK midgey34 |
| 05:01:05 | midgey34 | First frame is at 57b |
| 05:01:05 | midgey34 | backlight: on |
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| 05:01:40 | midgey34 | but I think it crashes before any debug info is written |
| 05:01:48 | lostlogic | can one of you see if it also freezes if the mode is mix instead of crossfade? |
| 05:02:40 | midgey34 | well, it didn't crash on the sim |
| 05:02:46 | midgey34 | ill test on target now |
| 05:02:48 | lostlogic | nod |
| 05:02:49 | lostlogic | ty |
| 05:03:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Works on Target. |
| 05:03:33 | lostlogic | ok, so manual skip crossfade on iriver breaks |
| 05:03:43 | lostlogic | can either of you test on an ipod sim? |
| 05:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: By "works" I mean, "the problem does not occur" |
| 05:03:55 | lostlogic | to see if it's a code difference between them, or just performance |
| 05:04:56 | midgey34 | hmm mixing works but I don't hear any actual mixing |
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| 05:06:06 | lostlogic | midgey34: your particular settings are interesting, and I don't think any mixing -should- be heard in your case. |
| 05:06:26 | midgey34 | well I just set fade-in duration and fade-out duration to 10s |
| 05:06:36 | lostlogic | and no mixing? :( |
| 05:06:38 | midgey34 | and I still don't hear a mix |
| 05:06:46 | lostlogic | blah |
| 05:07:41 | midgey34 | hmm, that tim it seems like it mixed |
| 05:07:56 | midgey34 | but the other two times were abrupt |
| 05:08:08 | lostlogic | buffer level may not have been sufficient. |
| 05:08:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I don't know if it's a related bug, but *sometimes* I get the WPS after doing the "Insert" operation, it shows the metadata for the first song it's going to play, but never progresses past 0:00 and doesn't let me leave. Backlight and volume are still responsive. |
| 05:08:45 | lostlogic | probably unrelated, but also a bug |
| 05:09:23 | midgey34 | hmm yes, mixing seems to work fine here |
| 05:09:27 | midgey34 | ignore what I said earlier |
| 05:09:53 | lostlogic | ok, so it's most likely in the crossfade_process_buffer, on platforms that perform better than ipod. |
| 05:09:59 | lostlogic | now we're getting somewhere :) |
| 05:10:17 | midgey34 | woo |
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| 05:14:42 | lostlogic | no ipod sim tests? |
| 05:15:28 | midgey34 | ill build it right now |
| 05:15:41 | lostlogic | tank00 |
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| 05:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can't test the sims right now. I have no X, and no SDL. |
| 05:18:50 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: terrible. |
| 05:18:58 | lostlogic | I have a theory. |
| 05:19:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I moved to the old vmware and haven't bothered to manually install X or download the new image. |
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| 05:19:51 | midgey34 | go cygwin go! |
| 05:20:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was on cygwin in the past, but it annoyed me for various reasons. |
| 05:20:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Plus, a VMWare image is vastly more portable for me. |
| 05:21:18 | midgey34 | I agree, but I haven't had time to set an image up |
| 05:21:39 | midgey34 | while he wait, I have a screendump of the other shutdown bug I mentioned |
| 05:21:42 | midgey34 | http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4185/dump0504242317160uc.png |
| 05:21:48 | midgey34 | s/he/we |
| 05:22:09 | lostlogic | midgey34: can you try changing the text of the pcmbuf_descs function from pcmbuf_size / PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK to pcmbuf_size / 24576 |
| 05:22:17 | lostlogic | see if that changes your bug at all. |
| 05:22:38 | lostlogic | (in pcmbuf.c |
| 05:23:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | midgey34: That's just because it uses whatever backdrop image is currently in use. Since you're in WPS, it uses that one. |
| 05:23:48 | whatboutbob | hey guys: i've been getting a few 'check hdd connection' msgs on my h120 of late. I *think* it stems back to a couple of weeks ago when I had to pull the usb cable out without 'disconnecting' it in windows. |
| 05:24:02 | whatboutbob | i've tried formatting the drive to no avail. any other suggestions? |
| 05:24:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: That *usually* means either the drive isn't seated well, or it's going out. |
| 05:25:09 | whatboutbob | 'going out' = dying a disgraceful death? |
| 05:25:28 | midgey34 | lostlogic: the sim doesn't crash but the behavior is rather strange |
| 05:25:36 | midgey34 | could be my computer though |
| 05:25:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:26:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: Possibly |
| 05:26:19 | midgey34 | I'm getting skips in the audio and the peak meters drop to zero then it starts back up |
| 05:26:24 | kapheine | Is there a reason Rockbox doesn't pause playing when the headphones are removed on the iPod nano, or is it just not implemented yet? I can't find anything on the mailing list or wiki about it |
| 05:26:38 | midgey34 | not implemented |
| 05:26:55 | whatboutbob | paul_the_nerd: I'll open her up and have a look anyways. I think i've got a spare drive kicking around. I may swap them out to see if it makes any difference. |
| 05:26:57 | midgey34 | there was a patch, but I think it wasn't the correct way of handling it |
| 05:27:07 | lostlogic | midgey34: hmph, can you test on target? |
| 05:27:13 | kapheine | midgey34: Do you happen to know where the patch is? |
| 05:27:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | kapheine: Just search the patch tracker |
| 05:28:16 | midgey34 | lostlogic: those comments were in regards to the 5g sim with no changes in code |
| 05:28:27 | midgey34 | ill make the changes now |
| 05:28:38 | lostlogic | midgey34: oh, gotcha... this gets stranger and stranger. |
| 05:28:44 | kapheine | Paul_The_Nerd: Yeah I did, nothing seems to be coming up |
| 05:29:04 | lostlogic | so no bug on 5g sim, but yes oddness |
| 05:29:05 | lostlogic | wtf. |
| 05:29:07 | kapheine | Oh, I was just looking for the wrong thing |
| 05:29:08 | lostlogic | I hate computers. |
| 05:29:12 | lostlogic | I _REALLY_ hate computers. |
| 05:30:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | kapheine: I think this is it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 |
| 05:30:18 | midgey34 | plau_the_nerd: that's it |
| 05:30:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not well described. |
| 05:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Auto-pause implies to me that no user intervention is required. |
| 05:30:49 | whatboutbob | paul_the_nerd: dumb question: is there a better option than 'format' to wipe a drive? |
| 05:31:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: Not really |
| 05:31:42 | kapheine | Paul_The_Nerd: Yeah, I was searchign for something about headphones, which is why I missed it. I'm reading through the discussion about the patch now, thanks. |
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| 05:34:33 | midgey34 | lostlogic: still freezes on target |
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| 05:34:41 | lostlogic | midgey34: well so much for that theory. |
| 05:36:36 | midgey34 | in regard to the other "bug," that is the intended behavior? |
| 05:36:46 | lostlogic | not intended, but no big thing. |
| 05:37:12 | midgey34 | I agree that its not a big deal, but I thought it should be pointed out |
| 05:37:22 | lostlogic | sure, file a bug so it's not forgotten, if you wish :) |
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| 05:39:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | midgey34: For it to show your menu backdrop, it'd have to swap out that portion of the buffer though. I mean it's a rather tiny operation, but it seems like changing the behaviour would just add a very slight bit more delay and computation too shutting down. (Probably not a humanly measurable delay, but still...) |
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| 05:41:41 | * | lostlogic found a bug which may be the cause of midgey's problem, not just a theory, but a real bug |
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| 05:42:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh, real bugs! |
| 05:43:56 | lostlogic | committed, see if that changes it. |
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| 05:45:01 | nownot | i just put rockbox on a 5g ipod, how do i put photos on there |
| 05:45:58 | midgey34 | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't think any backdrop should be drawn when shutting down the player, I think the entire screen should be cleared. Right now it shows my WPS backdrop |
| 05:45:59 | lostlogic | ... you copy them from a USB host device (ie a computer) |
| 05:46:23 | nownot | like directory wise or what ever |
| 05:46:30 | lostlogic | however you like. |
| 05:46:31 | nownot | i put them in the photos folder but they dont see them |
| 05:46:40 | whatboutbob | preglow: i was getting codec failure for any playback using the rockbox.iriver file you uploaded for optical recording testing. I reverted and all is well. |
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| 05:47:02 | lostlogic | did you browse to the photos folder in the rockbox browser? |
| 05:47:13 | nownot | yes |
| 05:47:23 | lostlogic | what file format are the images? |
| 05:47:32 | nownot | jpg |
| 05:47:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: Well, you *just* downloaded rockbox.iriver which means its version didn't match your codec versions. That's not really a valid bug unless you had codecs built with that version. |
| 05:47:54 | whatboutbob | preglow: also, i left my iriver unattended recording digital...upon my return the unit had shut down and a 0byte file was on the drive that i can't seem to salvage anything from. Not sure if this could be my hdd playing up tho. |
| 05:48:10 | lostlogic | nownot: I dunno, should work. |
| 05:48:19 | RoC_MM | those 0 byte files are tricksters |
| 05:48:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: Do you see the Photos folder inside of Rockbox? |
| 05:48:27 | whatboutbob | paul_the_nerd: thanks. thought that might be the case but wasn't sure so thought i'd mention it. |
| 05:48:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: It's possible your unit idle turned off before the file ever got flushed to disk the first time while recording... |
| 05:50:07 | nownot | yes well there is a shortcut named Photos and a folder named Photos in root on the ipod |
| 05:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: And you copied the files into the Photos folder by normal drag and drop in disk mode? |
| 05:50:50 | piroko | the only thing keeping me away from rockbox right now is the freeze-after-71-minutes bug. I'm depressed... |
| 05:51:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: What freeze after 71 minutes bug? |
| 05:51:07 | nownot | yes |
| 05:51:09 | lostlogic | on 4g |
| 05:51:15 | piroko | yeah |
| 05:51:22 | whatboutbob | Paul: My idle off is set to 10minutes, so that makes that unlikely...right? |
| 05:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: Depends. How long total did you leave the unit? |
| 05:51:50 | whatboutbob | too long...couple of hours. |
| 05:51:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: And you don't see the photos when you browse into that folder while running Rockbox? |
| 05:52:10 | whatboutbob | it was recording for at least 5 mins before i left. |
| 05:52:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: I'm thinking that it's possible that recording is being counted as "idle" time (maybe a bug). Have you tried recording more than 10 minutes without touching the player, and watching it for an idle offf? |
| 05:52:42 | nownot | ok created a new folder names pic on root, threw 3 files in there jpg. all about 60KB and it doesnt see them |
| 05:52:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: And what "File view" mode are you in? |
| 05:52:58 | nownot | when i browse in that folder on my ipod |
| 05:53:19 | whatboutbob | Paul: yup. first thing i did thereafter. Got p to 12 minutes before i shut down manually. File was saved correctly (as one would expect). |
| 05:53:28 | nownot | in which option |
| 05:53:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | whatboutbob: Hm... Odd. |
| 05:53:41 | lostlogic | nownot: hold th emenu botton |
| 05:53:47 | lostlogic | look at the bottom of the screen |
| 05:53:51 | lostlogic | what does it say |
| 05:53:52 | lostlogic | ? |
| 05:54:03 | nownot | there we go |
| 05:54:08 | nownot | i only had music showing |
| 05:54:12 | lostlogic | whee. |
| 05:54:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well that would explain it. :-P |
| 05:55:17 | lostlogic | midgey34: Paul_The_Nerd: any word on if my commit stopped dumb crossfade freeze? |
| 05:55:23 | whatboutbob | Paul: As I mentioned, it *may* be my hdd. I'll have a look-see now...I want to check for battery swell anyways. |
| 05:55:43 | piroko | lostlogic: I can test crossfade too. I use it all the time |
| 05:55:49 | lostlogic | piroko: you have an ipod |
| 05:55:54 | lostlogic | it's not borken on ipod afaik :0 |
| 05:57:05 | piroko | oh. oops |
| 05:57:18 | lostlogic | piroko: our poor ipods are too slow to trigger the bug or something |
| 05:57:58 | nownot | how do i exit picture mode |
| 05:58:22 | lostlogic | menu and select or hold menu or hold play or some damn thing... it's on the wiki somewhere :) |
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| 06:01:14 | nownot | ok another dumb question does rockbox support video playback for 5g ipods? |
| 06:01:17 | * | Paul_The_Nerd needs to get a USB hub. |
| 06:01:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: No. |
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| 06:01:33 | Manoj | hi folks |
| 06:01:50 | nownot | so for a 5g why is this supuroerere |
| 06:01:55 | nownot | you know the word |
| 06:02:01 | lostlogic | superior? |
| 06:02:08 | nownot | yep thats it |
| 06:02:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: Well, it's superior on the assumption that you bought an MP3 player primarily to listen to music. |
| 06:02:25 | lostlogic | *giggle* |
| 06:02:27 | Manoj | I just installed rockboc from 20060419 in an ipod video −− and when the machine is unplugged, rockbox seems to be there (no music on this machine yet). |
| 06:02:28 | nownot | i see |
| 06:03:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | nownot: Now, you can always just boot retail to watch your movies anyway. But most people would agree the audio capabilities of Rockbox are *well* beyond what any retail firmware offers now. |
| 06:03:14 | Manoj | However, as soon as I plug it in, an apple logo appears, the display greys out, and it just says do not disconnect |
| 06:03:27 | Manoj | I can't get any other response −− until I disconnect |
| 06:03:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Manoj: This is normal. It uses Apple's disk mode. |
| 06:03:33 | nownot | ok, how do i choose what i want to boot, it seems to auto boot into rockbox |
| 06:03:40 | lostlogic | Manoj: ... that's what it'll do if you plug in the USB to go to disk mode :-p |
| 06:03:48 | lostlogic | nownot: hold menu during bottup to go to apple OS |
| 06:04:26 | Manoj | Oh. What does disk mode mean? That I should just mount the ipod, and copy music over? |
| 06:04:35 | lostlogic | ... seems reasonable... |
| 06:05:01 | midgey34 | lostlogic: I still get freezes |
| 06:05:07 | lostlogic | midgey34: hates you. |
| 06:05:08 | midgey34 | but I must be going |
| 06:05:15 | lostlogic | midgey34: kk, see ya later |
| 06:05:19 | midgey34 | good luck solving the problem |
| 06:05:23 | Manoj | I guess that makes sense, since I can point any music player on my machine to access the ogss on the mounted ipod partition. Thanks, guys |
| 06:05:25 | lostlogic | hehe, thanks |
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| 06:05:41 | lostlogic | Manoj: I'd keep a copy both on ipod and on computer |
| 06:05:53 | lostlogic | Manoj: little hard drives you carry with you aren't a good place to keep an only copy of anything. |
| 06:06:04 | Manoj | lostlogic: well, I have it on my home machine, but not on my laptop |
| 06:06:28 | Manoj | when I travel, the ipod is it, as far as sotred music goes |
| 06:06:40 | Manoj | stored, even |
| 06:06:55 | lostlogic | makes sense. |
| 06:06:59 | lostlogic | that's what I do as well. |
| 06:07:36 | lostlogic | If I were you, I'd also copy an updated rockbox build onto the player (latest CVS). |
| 06:07:53 | lostlogic | there are constant bug fixes, so regular updates are adviseable, and use CVS builds, not dailies, IMO |
| 06:09:10 | Manoj | I plan on, as soon as my elf-gcc finishes. I fell in love with the Green5g theme, and the patches are not applying cleanly to today;s CVS |
| 06:09:38 | lostlogic | most gccs are elf, I assume you mean arm-elf-gcc :-P |
| 06:10:04 | Manoj | once I set up arch branches tracking CVS, and build parrallel branches tracking the theme, I'll go to more upto date builds. |
| 06:10:14 | Manoj | yeah, arm-elf. Been a long day :) |
| 06:10:17 | lostlogic | hehe |
| 06:10:24 | lostlogic | crazy patch using bastages |
| 06:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oi |
| 06:11:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm a crazy patch using bastage. |
| 06:11:41 | lostlogic | *sigh* what is midgey's stupid bug. this is very frustrating. |
| 06:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though mine are "USB goes into Retail instead of Disk" "Starfield shows FPS (predating the FPS plugin)" and "SID codec" |
| 06:12:19 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, yours are less core, so less likely to suddenly stop applying |
| 06:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | They've been broken here and there in the past. |
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| 06:13:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | But never anything major |
| 06:13:25 | lostlogic | after 3.0, I'm going to hafta put both pcmbuf and filebuf metadata on-buffer, and then work witih someone to redo album art |
| 06:14:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then have millions upon millions of fans when you become the dev to commit album art. |
| 06:14:11 | lostlogic | *giggle* |
| 06:14:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, I know your tricks |
| 06:14:39 | lostlogic | hehe, if I can just get voice working omre smoothely, I'll have some very dedicated blind fans :) |
| 06:15:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I hadn't thought of how valuable Rockbox would be to the blind community until I saw a bunch of people asking about it when voice stopped being usable. |
| 06:16:14 | lostlogic | yah −− I think it's onw the best it's been on swcodec, but still needs work and that "nano doesn't boot with a voice file" bug definitely needs fixed too. |
| 06:17:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Huzuwha? |
| 06:18:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nano/Voice related bug? |
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| 06:18:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nano boots fine with a voice file |
| 06:18:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doesn't seem to *have* any voice |
| 06:18:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it boots fine |
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| 06:19:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it freezes when you try to start playback |
| 06:19:40 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ... that's not what preglow nor someone else were reporting about nano as of today |
| 06:19:51 | lostlogic | ermh, it wouldn't play audio at all if it had a voice file on it or something |
| 06:19:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well it's what I'm reporting as of "I just built it, and copied it over" |
| 06:20:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't play audio at all |
| 06:20:08 | lostlogic | ok, yeah, that's the bug I meant |
| 06:20:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | It freezes like the freeze I described earlier, with time at 0:00, and audio still adjustable, backlight responds, but you can't leave the WPS |
| 06:20:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or no, volume not adjustable |
| 06:20:44 | * | Paul_The_Nerd swears it was a second ago |
| 06:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the backlight at least responds. |
| 06:21:04 | lostlogic | *nod* |
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| 06:21:08 | lostlogic | is a thread race condition |
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| 06:21:24 | lostlogic | probably codec thread and voice codec thread are ina deadlock |
| 06:22:01 | lostlogic | sigh, my bug list doesn't seem to shrink, because I keep refactoring things. |
| 06:22:28 | Galois | earlier today, when my ipod froze with the voice file, the volume was adjustable the first time you tried to play a song |
| 06:22:37 | Galois | then if you tried to play another song it all went to hell |
| 06:22:58 | piroko | holy crap track changes are instantaneous now... |
| 06:23:01 | Zoide777 | amiconn: hi, any news on grayscale lib? |
| 06:23:10 | lostlogic | piroko: I hope you approve :) |
| 06:23:35 | piroko | uh... yeah! except that my ipod locks up after about two minutes now... :( |
| 06:24:02 | lostlogic | improved track changes were the original reason behind my refactoring of crossfade today |
| 06:24:23 | lostlogic | piroko: wonder if it could be the crossfade bug... is it on a track change? |
| 06:24:51 | piroko | it was shortly after a track change. and if I reboot, rockbox freezes at the rockbox screen |
| 06:25:00 | piroko | i have to flip hold to reset settings to get it running again |
| 06:25:09 | lostlogic | the world hates you. |
| 06:25:18 | piroko | :( |
| 06:25:19 | piroko | I know |
| 06:25:25 | lostlogic | (I just have no idea what would cause that) |
| 06:25:28 | piroko | I wrecked my dad's car today... |
| 06:25:34 | lostlogic | aww, you serious!? |
| 06:25:35 | lostlogic | you ok? |
| 06:25:35 | lostlogic | ;( |
| 06:25:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK lostlogic |
| 06:25:36 | lostlogic | :( |
| 06:25:42 | InteliWasp | can someone help me figure out if i have found a bug or not? |
| 06:25:47 | piroko | yeah. i backed up into a concrete wall... |
| 06:25:48 | lostlogic | InteliWasp: sure, what is it? |
| 06:26:03 | lostlogic | piroko: yuck −− that's gotta be an ego killer :-P |
| 06:26:03 | piroko | happy to see that someone cares :) |
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| 06:26:14 | piroko | i don't have one... |
| 06:26:20 | lostlogic | pft |
| 06:26:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was in a very minor wreck Thursday. No damage to the cars, but that's just because I was incredibly lucky there was a car in front of me to keep me from sliding on into an intersection. =/ |
| 06:26:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would like to say that Austin roads are WAY too oily. |
| 06:27:28 | InteliWasp | i have an ipod 4G, when i plug in a usb cable that is connected to a charger, the ipod goes into disk mode the resets, then back into disk mode and so on... |
| 06:27:32 | lostlogic | ahh... everyone should get bicycles. |
| 06:27:57 | Galois | hey I get a nice new bug that I haven't seen before |
| 06:27:57 | piroko | InteliWasp: hold menu in rockbox, then plug in the cable |
| 06:28:17 | piroko | lostlogic: the bug hit on a track change this time |
| 06:28:18 | Galois | fast forward on a song from the file browser is supposed to play the song right? |
| 06:28:20 | InteliWasp | ok i'll do that next time, thanks! |
| 06:28:28 | lostlogic | InteliWasp: sorta bug yes. probably rockbox is missdetecting the difference between a charger connected to a USB cable and a PC connected to a USB cable, so the ipod disk mode puts it in that cycle. |
| 06:28:36 | Galois | it doesn't anymore. It just brings up WPS for a second and then goes back to tree view |
| 06:28:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Actually, if I lived in the city I would. Austin is great for bicycling, but there's not a safe way for me to get from where I am to where I could start bicycling safely. |
| 06:28:48 | piroko | Galois: I've gotten that bug before |
| 06:28:52 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: *nod* |
| 06:29:04 | piroko | Galois: It usually happens when I select the same track I'm listening to |
| 06:29:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: That, and it seems there's a never ending war between the two wheeled and the four wheeled folk of austin. |
| 06:29:14 | Galois | I got it while changing tracks too |
| 06:29:24 | lostlogic | Galois: piroko: there's a bug currently that selecting a track from the browser doesn't work if there's one playing. |
| 06:29:24 | piroko | Galois: yup, got that too |
| 06:29:27 | lostlogic | see the wiki. |
| 06:29:37 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: that's true of every city. |
| 06:29:41 | piroko | and now rockbox is completely unusable for me because of this new bug... I wanna cry... |
| 06:29:43 | Galois | the SELECT button works, just not the right arrow |
| 06:29:48 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I was in a pretty bad bike-car crash last weekend. |
| 06:30:11 | lostlogic | piroko: turn off crossfade for now, will probably go bye bye... I'll be working on it. |
| 06:30:22 | piroko | it was off :P |
| 06:30:32 | lostlogic | piroko: oh... wtf do yo udo to that poor thing :(? |
| 06:30:39 | piroko | play music? |
| 06:30:41 | lostlogic | Galois: oh!? *tries it* |
| 06:31:13 | piroko | lostlogic: and I *have* to reset the settings to get it to boot again |
| 06:31:14 | lostlogic | select works just as notly as ff. |
| 06:31:33 | lostlogic | piroko: :-\ |
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| 06:31:39 | piroko | lostlogic: :( |
| 06:31:42 | lostlogic | piroko: wonder what changed for you. |
| 06:31:49 | piroko | no idea... |
| 06:32:12 | piroko | the only thing I did differently from the bleeding source was apply the sid patch |
| 06:32:17 | piroko | and it patched cleanly... |
| 06:32:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Select didn't work for me when I tried an hour ago. |
| 06:32:23 | piroko | and I wasn't listening to sids... |
| 06:32:40 | lostlogic | but any way, I must get laundry from dryer and go to sleep. Sorry for the bugs, will see what can be done tomorrow ;) |
| 06:32:59 | Galois | great, now select doesn't work anymore |
| 06:33:48 | piroko | lostlogic: ok. goodnight |
| 06:33:59 | piroko | lostlogic: sweet dreams ;) |
| 06:35:09 | piroko | i should probably go to bed myself... |
| 06:35:34 | piroko | I'm waiting for my 500mhz laptop to compile the newest linux kernel... it takes a while... |
| 06:35:59 | Manoj | What is the recommended bit rate people us for ogg files? |
| 06:36:07 | RoC_MM | depends |
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| 06:36:20 | RoC_MM | if your used to 128kpbs mp3s use quality 3 |
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| 06:36:22 | * | piroko uses q3 |
| 06:36:30 | * | lostlogic uses q7 and goes to sleep. |
| 06:36:32 | RoC_MM | if your used to 160-192 kpbs mp3s then pick quality 5 |
| 06:36:36 | lostlogic | g'night all |
| 06:36:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3792.0 <−−- See, I KNEW this would come back around. |
| 06:36:47 | piroko | lostlogic: goodnight! |
| 06:36:52 | Manoj | thanks |
| 06:36:52 | RoC_MM | you should not pick a bitrate, because different songs are different levels and business and require different bitrates |
| 06:37:08 | piroko | q3 is said to be transparent to the ear |
| 06:37:20 | RoC_MM | the ogg encoder is smart, you just say "quality 5", and then it looks and sees what bitrate is needed to accurately reproduce the sound |
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| 06:37:31 | Zoide777 | by |
| 06:37:32 | RoC_MM | I'm sorry |
| 06:37:36 | Zoide777 | bye* |
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| 06:37:39 | RoC_MM | you misspelled "q5 or q6" |
| 06:37:49 | Galois | guruboolez says q2 ogg beats 128k mp3 for rock |
| 06:37:55 | Galois | for classical you need q3 ogg |
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| 06:38:24 | RoC_MM | maybe people are satisfied with q2 and q3 oggs for music...especially when you have small earbud headphones |
| 06:38:35 | RoC_MM | see if you can tell a difference between the WAV and the q3 ogg |
| 06:38:42 | RoC_MM | if you can't, then its' transparent for you |
| 06:38:45 | Galois | I'm satisfied with q-1 on isolation headphones, but I can tell the difference easily |
| 06:38:51 | RoC_MM | if you can actually tell the difference, then use q5. |
| 06:38:54 | * | piroko notes that his ipod locks up playing sids as well as every other music format :( |
| 06:39:01 | * | piroko cries |
| 06:39:40 | piroko | is there any chance of this being a battery problem? |
| 06:41:05 | Sinbios | [ |
| 06:41:25 | piroko | nvm |
| 06:41:32 | RoC_MM | What is problem piroko ? |
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| 06:45:58 | Manoj | well, I don't have anywhere close to 60GB of music, so I guess -q 6 it is. |
| 06:47:15 | RoC_MM | q6 will sound splendid |
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| 06:47:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | If space is no concern, why not FLAC? |
| 06:48:42 | RoC_MM | sure |
| 06:48:56 | RoC_MM | or those other crazy new formats, wavpack, ....whatever the others are... |
| 06:49:14 | RoC_MM | one thing I decided |
| 06:49:42 | RoC_MM | is that since FLAC isn't as widespread as ogg (outside of rockbox), that instead of using flac, I'd use ogg vorbis quality 100 (about 300-500bitrate) |
| 06:49:50 | RoC_MM | quality 10 is pretty transparent |
| 06:50:00 | RoC_MM | and you get all the support of ogg vorbis |
| 06:50:13 | RoC_MM | and only a smidgen of loss that you'll never ever hear |
| 06:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, unless there are any encoder errors, or codec flaw style artifacts. :-P |
| 06:50:57 | * | RoC_MM points out those are issues on all formats, including flac. |
| 06:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like flac because I can transcode a selection of my music to fit any size player and format requirement in a batch operation overnight anyway. |
| 06:51:47 | RoC_MM | never choose a lossy format and regret it |
| 06:51:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: They're not an issue with FLAC unless the encoder itself creates an improper FLAC file. You don't get artifacts with the codec itself. |
| 06:51:56 | RoC_MM | flac gives you that ability indeed |
| 06:52:15 | RoC_MM | I see. |
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| 06:52:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | A .flac file when extracted should create a bit-perfect identical stream to the original WAV. If it doesn't, either the encoder or decoder has a flaw. |
| 06:53:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because of the nature of lossy encoding though, even at higher qualities it's possible for a lossy encoder to make a mistake and generate an audible artifact. |
| 06:54:01 | RoC_MM | True. But if your wanting to pick the newest format with the most compatibility it would be Ogg and not FLAC I think. |
| 06:54:09 | RoC_MM | Yes yes yes. |
| 06:54:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if you were sure you never wanted to either transcode (from lossless) or re-encode again, you'd pick MP3. |
| 06:54:35 | RoC_MM | But I have high respect for FLAC |
| 06:54:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | But yeah, Ogg is pretty good generally. Not as widespread as would be nice, but certainly more than FLAC. |
| 06:55:54 | RoC_MM | One thing to realize |
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| 06:57:36 | dj-fu | wow, crossfeed rocks |
| 06:57:38 | Galois | flac is middle of the pack as far as lossless codecs go, but it has the major advantage of being an open format |
| 06:57:47 | dj-fu | i turned it on to see if it was good, played without skipping, sounsd really good |
| 06:58:04 | RoC_MM | I for example have decided that *all* new music that I have control over the encoding is going to be ogg vorbis and not mp3....is that even though ogg vorbis is less mainstream than mp3...it's a better codec. Mp3 will not be around forever, and ogg vorbis is a newer and better technology. If I choose Ogg Vorbis, I create demand, and demand creates support. But all my applications support ogg out of the box already (cd recorder, portable music devic |
| 06:58:04 | RoC_MM | e, ripper, sw music player). |
| 06:58:36 | Galois | RoC_MM, I go a step further: I refuse to patronize music that I do not control |
| 06:58:48 | Galois | it follows that all of my music is in ogg/flac |
| 06:59:15 | RoC_MM | I refuse to give someone uncontrolled access to my money if they won't give me uncontrolled access to what they give me. |
| 06:59:43 | Manoj | well. the difference in size between a 128bps ogg and an 192 bps off is an additional 30-40% disk spacem in my quick and dirty tests. Flac takes it up to 700% |
| 06:59:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | All of my CDs get backed up to FLAC on a large external HD so I can really easily batch-transcode them to whatever I want as my space needs change. |
| 06:59:50 | Hotfusion | I can careless what format what plays as long as there is music playing that's all I need |
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| 07:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Manoj: It was being discussed in a "space is no object" situation though |
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| 07:00:31 | Hotfusion | if rockbox get's better with battery consumpsion and improved flac and ogg I may convert my songs |
| 07:00:33 | piroko | RoC_MM: sorry for the delay. there's a big lockup bug in the 4g ipod now... |
| 07:00:39 | Manoj | Paul_The_Nerd: well, a60GB ipod is what I have, so space isn't exactly no object (and I think my question kicked off the discussion) |
| 07:00:48 | RoC_MM | Manoj, a 128 kbps file using ogg will sound OK if your used to a 128 bitrate mp3. However, MP3 does not get "CD-quality" until 256Kbps..128 was never a good sounding bitrate. Ogg Vorbis gets "CD-quality" aruond q5 or q6. |
| 07:01:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Manoj: Well you said you had nowhere close to 60gb of music, and then I said "Well, if space is no object..." |
| 07:01:27 | Hotfusion | I try to get mp3'ss at 160 but I can't tell teh difference |
| 07:01:31 | Manoj | 60GB is enough for me not to compromise on sound quality my ears can discern (though I am not sure I can hear the difference between q 3 and q 6, but I can afford to be vain :) |
| 07:01:32 | Hotfusion | some can I guess |
| 07:01:39 | RoC_MM | Hotfusion, don't ever transcode your songs if they are alreadyi n a compressed format...this would result in more loss of quality...simply choose to get new music in your new format. |
| 07:01:54 | * | piroko is just anal and uses 320 mp3 |
| 07:02:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: I disagree. A 192kbps mp3 or an alt-preset-standard LAME VBR one can be considered CD quality to most people unless they're making a direct comparison to the CD, and even then not always. |
| 07:02:44 | piroko | actually, i switched over to lame vbr ~192 for a while before switching to ogg |
| 07:03:24 | Galois | didn't lame drop the −−alt part years ago? It's just −−preset-standard now right |
| 07:03:33 | RoC_MM | Paul_The_Nerd, I think 192kbps is a good bitrate for MP3, but I we are obviously not talking about subjective feelings, since if that were the case, 128 would be OK for a lot of people. I am referecing documents I have read. I would think no one would disagree with 256 being transparent either. |
| 07:03:58 | Galois | RoC_MM, 192 VBR means the hard parts are encoded at 256 and up |
| 07:04:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Well, it's habit to type the -alt to some people. As far as I know the encoders do the same thing now if you do it with or without (just to keep from breaking compatibility with scripts/etc) |
| 07:04:32 | RoC_MM | Paul_The_Nerd, if you want CD-quality, I'd say "256", but if your just are being normal, my mp3s are 192, as you suggest. |
| 07:04:49 | dj-fu | anyone know of a music player on linux which does crossfeed? |
| 07:04:53 | RoC_MM | All the better Galois, for I use 192. |
| 07:04:55 | dj-fu | i know there is a plugin for foobar on 'doze |
| 07:05:05 | RoC_MM | XMMS may have one somewhere dj-fu |
| 07:05:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: Well, the thing is it's all subjective. You can't draw a hard line at where "Transparent" is because people could create test tracks where 320kbps MP3s can be ABXed against a CD successfully simply because of weaknesses in the format. |
| 07:05:11 | dj-fu | nod, ty |
| 07:05:21 | dj-fu | xmms2 will be out soon, that'll be wicked |
| 07:05:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you have to go by either "Where transparent is for me" or "Where transparent is to the average listener" |
| 07:06:15 | RoC_MM | Paul_The_Nerd, I have no experience with ABX...but I think I'm rather done saying all that I think. |
| 07:06:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 07:06:51 | Galois | lame −−preset-standard is transparent to most people and averages 192, with wide variations |
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| 07:07:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd say it averages about ~210 in my experience, but that could just be the nature of my music collection |
| 07:08:04 | dpassen1 | Its even higher for most of my music |
| 07:08:35 | RoC_MM | humans picking bitrate is stupid too |
| 07:08:48 | RoC_MM | −−preset-standard and Ogg's quality numbers are very good. |
| 07:09:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Picking a bitrate gives you a much more consistent time/size ration |
| 07:09:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | ratio |
| 07:09:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's nice if you have a codec that can do bitrate averaging well. |
| 07:09:28 | dj-fu | anyone have a clue how long it'd take me to convert 10gb worth of mp3 to ogg? |
| 07:09:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | You shouldn't |
| 07:09:40 | RoC_MM | I care more about quality than if all my mp3s are the exact same size and bitrate. |
| 07:09:56 | dj-fu | yeah i know, converting lossless to lossless = loss |
| 07:10:02 | RoC_MM | People pick the bitrate because of the perceived quality, not because they want "exactly 1.5 meg per minute" |
| 07:10:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well when you have 1gig of space to fit them on, sometimes it's nice to be able to know exactly how many minutes of audio you can put on it. :) |
| 07:10:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: So why bother? |
| 07:10:29 | dj-fu | apparently ogg are better than mp3 |
| 07:10:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: Well see, that's a mistake, unless you're doing the maximum bitrate of the codec. |
| 07:10:46 | Galois | an mp3 converted to ogg will not be better than the mp3 |
| 07:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: In what way? I mean, if you're converting from MP3 to Ogg, then you have all the flaws of MP3 + All the flaws of Ogg, which ends up being worse than either |
| 07:11:13 | RoC_MM | Paul_The_Nerd, you have too much words to say at this hour EST. |
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| 07:11:21 | Galois | it's worse than adding up the flaws, because the flaws interact in bad ways |
| 07:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Well yeah, but adding them up is the simplest way to make it very clear. :) |
| 07:11:41 | dj-fu | ic, nod |
| 07:11:46 | piroko | dj-fu: listen to mp3 at 64kbps compared to mp3 at the same bitrate. it's amazing... |
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| 07:11:57 | dj-fu | I don't doubt it |
| 07:12:09 | RoC_MM | dj-fu, don't transcode, just relax with the ones you have an decide that *new tracks* will be in the new format. |
| 07:12:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC_MM: I had an afternoon nap. It's unfortunate, but I'll be up for many hours yet, getting things done. |
| 07:12:30 | dj-fu | I don't rip stuff, that's the problem, haven't bought audio for years |
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| 07:12:47 | RoC_MM | Well |
| 07:12:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would be your problem then |
| 07:12:55 | piroko | dj-fu: i meant ogg, sorry. it's late... |
| 07:12:57 | RoC_MM | Good music stores let you pick the format you want.. |
| 07:13:13 | dj-fu | that's true |
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| 07:25:08 | RoC_MM | Have the 4G builds stabilized? |
| 07:25:10 | RoC_MM | grey |
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| 07:25:50 | mymomthelush | =/ |
| 07:26:09 | Hotfusion | is may day here yet |
| 07:26:10 | Hotfusion | :D |
| 07:26:20 | mymomthelush | almost |
| 07:26:32 | Hotfusion | 2 days till I get my 1st mp3 player |
| 07:26:42 | Hotfusion | sad isn't it |
| 07:26:47 | RoC_MM | who says 4g will be stable on may 1 |
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| 07:32:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, there's no guarantee 4Gs will be stable with 3.0 |
| 07:33:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3.0 is the iRiver release |
| 07:33:06 | RoC_MM | indeed |
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| 07:34:18 | RoC_MM | it will be cool when rockbox has an exe installer for the ipod targets |
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| 07:46:09 | Hotfusion | so I guess 3.0 won't matter all for the iaudio x5 series |
| 07:47:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it'll matter a little bit to all series |
| 07:47:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are bugs that affect all platforms |
| 07:49:21 | Hotfusion | i heard 3.0 will help battery life. Knowing the iaudio is 10% done in that regard I hope it's better with 3.0 version |
| 07:49:33 | Manoj | hoo. stuff cross compiled |
| 07:49:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't expect a magical change overnight |
| 07:51:01 | Manoj | I keep getting hit by this failure to sync |
| 07:51:09 | Manoj | and corrupted file systems |
| 07:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Failure to synce? |
| 07:51:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | sync? |
| 07:52:53 | Manoj | yeah. I'm back to doing sync. sync. sync. like it is back in the 70's again |
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| 07:53:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 07:53:39 | LinusN | the 10% for power handling on the IaudioPort page has nothing to do with battery life |
| 07:54:20 | LinusN | it has to do with implementing functions to control the charging etc |
| 07:54:45 | Manoj | when I omunt -t vfat /dev/sdX2 /media/ipod, write stuff to /media/ipod/, and umount without sync'ing, I get file system corruption on the ipod |
| 07:55:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 07:55:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did your iPod not do this before, or something? |
| 07:56:04 | Manoj | well, this is a new thing for me |
| 07:56:18 | Manoj | I only started playing with the ipod today |
| 07:57:17 | Galois | for what it's worth, I've never had sync problems |
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| 07:58:39 | LinusN | Manoj: linux? |
| 07:59:58 | Manoj | yes |
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| 08:00:34 | Manoj | ah. This time I had the proper number of incantations of sync |
| 08:00:59 | Manoj | Green5g is working perfectly |
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| 08:02:21 | LinusN | Manoj: are you running a recent kernel version? |
| 08:03:23 | Galois | I almost never bother to invoke sync |
| 08:04:02 | Manoj | 2.6.16-selinux1-1-skas3-v9-pre9 |
| 08:04:24 | Manoj | so not all that recent (I think we are up to 2.6.17-rc2 now) |
| 08:05:08 | Manoj | well, it is not a big deal −− I used to be very used to the triple sync back in the day |
| 08:05:20 | LinusN | that's recent enough |
| 08:05:22 | Galois | I got you beat, I use kernel-2.4.21-40.EL |
| 08:05:39 | Galois | and kernel-2.6.9-34.EL on the laptop |
| 08:05:54 | LinusN | 2.4.21...wow |
| 08:06:10 | Manoj | heh. I work with SELinux, so bleeding edge kernels are de riguer |
| 08:06:49 | Galois | to each his own. I prefer to stay with something that has known bugs |
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| 08:11:57 | Hotfusion | linus do you think 3.0 could help with battery. I assume we'll know by testing when it's released |
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| 08:12:02 | Hotfusion | for the iaudio |
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| 08:13:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: All 3.0 is the cumulative effort of what's been committed up until that day. Any performance improvements in general will help with battery, and any hardware optimizations that happen to coincide with hardware on the x5. |
| 08:13:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not like 3.0 is already done or anything. |
| 08:13:49 | Galois | 3.0 isn't even targeting ipods, much less iaudio |
| 08:22:05 | Hotfusion | I'll try it anyway :) It's only going to get better |
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| 08:30:01 | LinusN | the iaudio is not a priority right now, but most of the optimizations for 3.0 will benefit iaudio as well |
| 08:30:44 | LinusN | there are a few obvious x5-only optimizations to do, but i don't have time for that right now |
| 08:30:45 | Hotfusion | yeah that's cool |
| 08:30:55 | Hotfusion | just curious is all |
| 08:33:54 | blindx | with rockbox loaded, does my iPod charge, or do i have to load the original firmware to do that? |
| 08:34:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | blindx: It should charge fine if it's in disk mode. |
| 08:34:38 | blindx | doesn't it auto-put-itself-in-disc-mode when you plug it in? |
| 08:34:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you can force it not to |
| 08:34:57 | blindx | i see. |
| 08:35:07 | Hotfusion | saw a creative player yesterday. Smaller than I thought. Didn't care for it much heh |
| 08:35:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | blindx: Since I |
| 08:35:19 | Hotfusion | the new one that they came out with |
| 08:35:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | blindx: Since I'm assuming you aren't forcing it to not go into disk mode, then yes it should charge fine |
| 08:35:42 | blindx | haha ok. thanks |
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| 08:42:52 | amiconn | good morning |
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| 08:51:26 | scorche | let's go! |
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| 08:57:20 | whatboutbob | LinusN: Just showing my ignorance again, but why can't gain be offered w/ digital recording? (just curious) |
| 08:57:39 | LinusN | because it's digital |
| 08:57:45 | whatboutbob | so it does go A > D > A? |
| 08:57:51 | whatboutbob | (doesn't) |
| 08:58:20 | LinusN | we could of course let the cpu apply a digital gain, but that would put some strain on the cpu |
| 08:59:21 | whatboutbob | the reason i ask is some preamps apply a minimum gain that's fairly hefty (eg +17dB)...I was hoping it would be possible to attenuate that somewhat. |
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| 09:00:02 | blindx | The only thing I don't like about rockbox is the lack of a "sleep" function. |
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| 09:00:13 | LinusN | blindx: please explain |
| 09:00:23 | blindx | Well, I have an iPod |
| 09:00:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: iPods don't power off. They suspend. Basically, drain the battery slowly for 3 days before actually shutting down, but boot *really* fast. |
| 09:00:53 | blindx | yeah that |
| 09:00:58 | blindx | beat me to it |
| 09:01:16 | blindx | but sans the "3 days" portion |
| 09:01:20 | LinusN | ok, so the sleep timer is disabled in the ipod builds? |
| 09:01:23 | blindx | I've let mine go unplugged for a week at a time. |
| 09:01:34 | * | LinusN suddenly understands |
| 09:02:07 | blindx | yeah, so when i wanna plug it in in the car, which i often do, i have to grab it, wait for it to boot up, then find my song. |
| 09:02:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | blindx: Well, at some point it parks a copy of the ram contents onto the boot partition, and powers off fully. Not 100% sure when that point is though. |
| 09:02:30 | blindx | yeah, every now and then, i've had that happen |
| 09:02:32 | blindx | but not very often |
| 09:02:51 | blindx | as opposed to the original firmware... i could 'sleep' it, and have it wake up to exactly where it was when it went into sleep mode. |
| 09:03:00 | blindx | and quickly. |
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| 09:03:10 | blindx | but other than that, rockbox is great |
| 09:04:29 | blindx | I also had a problem.. I was playing a song, and it turned off after a while. I guess the power-off timer doesn't care if you're playing a song or not? |
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| 09:06:06 | blindx | Ah crap. I'm gonna be late to class. |
| 09:06:12 | blindx | Talk to you all later :D |
| 09:10:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Does the X5 LCD remote have a backlight? |
| 09:10:11 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, the point at which the iPod actually powers off is within like 10 hours.. |
| 09:10:29 | midkay | quite possibly it's 12. |
| 09:10:29 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 09:10:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Odd. Somewhere I read it was more than a day. |
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| 09:11:33 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, hm, i remember a number of occasions where simply leaving it off overnight and using it rather early the next day required me to wait for it to start up. |
| 09:12:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Dunno. I could easily be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. :) |
| 09:12:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha. :) |
| 09:12:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know the lcd controller in the X5 remote? |
| 09:12:48 | LinusN | no i don't |
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| 09:21:26 | petur | LinusN: have some interesting usb behaviour: at work, connecting via the hub on my PC display sometimes makes my h340 stay in usb mode when disconnected. After some time, the text goes away and I'm left with a blank screen |
| 09:21:50 | LinusN | interesting |
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| 09:22:02 | petur | attaching it again doesn't mount it again |
| 09:22:12 | petur | it just freezes hard |
| 09:23:02 | petur | maybe I should blame DELL as the lcd screen is from them ;) |
| 09:25:16 | LinusN | is usb charging enabled? |
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| 09:26:30 | petur | in retailos? |
| 09:27:06 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:27:23 | petur | yuck... alright, will boot it |
| 09:27:42 | petur | please wait :) |
| 09:29:08 | petur | wtf, the display is going nuts in retailos |
| 09:29:20 | petur | contrast is wrong completely |
| 09:29:57 | petur | usb charging is on in retailos |
| 09:30:05 | LinusN | try disabling it |
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| 09:31:53 | petur | weird, retailos is completely going nuts: some settings aren't selected at all and when you try to change them it starts writing radio buttons outside the settings dialog... |
| 09:32:13 | petur | as if we wrote into their eeprom? |
| 09:32:22 | LinusN | wow |
| 09:32:35 | petur | what does usb conn mode do? |
| 09:32:59 | LinusN | you mean the hub/no hub option? |
| 09:33:05 | petur | yes |
| 09:33:24 | petur | it was set to 'none of the above' :/ |
| 09:34:07 | LinusN | i think it selects if the ISD300 is to draw its power from the usb or from the battery |
| 09:34:24 | LinusN | something we don't control |
| 09:36:33 | petur | no difference |
| 09:36:46 | petur | will now try it with conn mode set to hub |
| 09:38:59 | petur | hmmm... looks better (tried 3 times, no freeze anymore |
| 09:39:27 | LinusN | time to find out how to do that ourselves then |
| 09:39:52 | LinusN | something for the usb charging patch |
| 09:50:10 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you tested the libmad optimisations on your Nano? I noticed the comments talk about 32-bit memory accesses for the bit read functions, so I'm hoping that doesn't cause data aborts. |
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| 10:00:00 | markun | linuxstb: Shonky cracked the gigabeat's encryption! Now we can start the real work :) |
| 10:01:07 | markun | http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/GigabeatDecrypter.c |
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| 10:03:22 | LinusN | 0x19751217 - looks like a birthday |
| 10:03:40 | markun | yes, it could be |
| 10:03:54 | LinusN | Christian Hack, yeah right |
| 10:04:09 | markun | I even think it's his real name |
| 10:04:25 | LinusN | cool if it is |
| 10:04:27 | crashd | hehe |
| 10:04:29 | crashd | it's destiny |
| 10:04:59 | LinusN | plenty of Christian Hack out there, according to google |
| 10:05:11 | LinusN | funny |
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| 10:12:07 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, I read that in the logs. Congratulations. |
| 10:14:23 | markun | Ah yes, I didn't read the logs yet, only saw it in #gigabeat |
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| 10:20:51 | linuxstb | markun: Just looking at the firmware update files now. Seems that FWIMG00.DAT is an gzipped initrd.bin, FWIMG01.DAT is the kernel, and FWIMG02.DAT is the root filesystem... |
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| 10:42:05 | preglow | linuxstb: no, just tried on the iriver |
| 10:45:48 | preglow | LinusN: where did you find the description of the sample rate field of the EBU1RCVCCHANNEL1 register? i can't seem to find it |
| 10:47:37 | LinusN | it's in the s/pdif spec |
| 10:49:39 | preglow | ah, right |
| 10:50:10 | preglow | doesn't spdif support 96khz as well, thouvh? |
| 10:50:14 | preglow | though |
| 10:51:33 | LinusN | i suppose, but the s/pdif docs i have don't mention it |
| 10:51:35 | preglow | yes, found out now |
| 10:51:54 | preglow | it's probably the double rate flag |
| 10:52:27 | LinusN | which one is that? |
| 10:52:39 | preglow | the on right before the sample rate |
| 10:52:52 | preglow | called DRS |
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| 10:54:01 | LinusN | i see |
| 10:54:04 | preglow | i have no way of testing that |
| 10:55:04 | LinusN | neither have i |
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| 11:01:08 | preglow | amiconn should have, but he needs a tos/jack adapter |
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| 11:08:09 | Slasheri | hmm, i could probably test it |
| 11:08:24 | Slasheri | at least i have the equipment with 96 kHz s/pdif in/out |
| 11:14:00 | preglow | right now? |
| 11:14:36 | amiconn | petur, LinusN: The hub/no hub option probably selects the maximum charging current the LX2201 can draw from usb |
| 11:14:43 | amiconn | (500mA/100mA) |
| 11:15:07 | Slasheri | preglow: not yet until i get to home.. but in the evening :) |
| 11:16:31 | preglow | Slasheri: ok, patch is at http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/spdif_recording.patch when you have time |
| 11:16:47 | preglow | Slasheri: if it works, the resulting file will probably be tagged with the wrong sample rate, though |
| 11:16:53 | preglow | but it should play back really slowe |
| 11:17:44 | Slasheri | preglow: nice, i will try that |
| 11:19:58 | preglow | LinusN: and yeah, spdif monitoring doesn't seem to be able to clock correctly in the iriver firmware either |
| 11:20:12 | preglow | LinusN: right now i just use the uda iis clock, since i can't think of anything better |
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| 11:34:17 | whatboutbob | preglow: thrice now i've attempted to record optical for a while ( >1hr). i return to find the iriver off and a corrupt file. |
| 11:34:45 | whatboutbob | not sure what has been happening but i should be able to monitor it now (have been busy). |
| 11:36:13 | whatboutbob | twice the file has been ~900meg but the headers must be stuffed cos when viewed they appear to be about 3 seconds of silence. |
| 11:36:24 | whatboutbob | the third time the file was 0bytes. |
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| 11:37:30 | petur | whataboutbob: the file gets synced on every write so the length should be ok, but the header isn't written until the file is closed |
| 11:37:33 | jochen | good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever. ;) |
| 11:38:03 | jochen | lostlogic: are you around? i've also got that track skipping problem. |
| 11:38:13 | petur | whataboutbob: battery troubles? |
| 11:38:38 | petur | whatboutbob, sorry ;) |
| 11:39:11 | whatboutbob | petur: nah...thought it may have been hdd troubles tho but i tested 3 long recordings w/ mic & line in with no trouble. |
| 11:39:25 | whatboutbob | no worries peter ;-P |
| 11:40:04 | preglow | hmm |
| 11:40:15 | preglow | whatboutbob: it would be interesting to see at what point it shuts down |
| 11:40:21 | preglow | i haven't got enough free space to record that long, heh |
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| 11:40:39 | whatboutbob | yeah...I'm going to monitor it now. |
| 11:41:13 | whatboutbob | 900 meg...about how long's that work out to? tis about 10meg/minute isn't it? |
| 11:41:25 | preglow | depends on the rate |
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| 11:41:47 | whatboutbob | 44.1/16 |
| 11:41:51 | petur | 44kHz stereo gives about 90 minuts (bit more) |
| 11:41:52 | preglow | but yeah, a bit over 10 megs a minute, then |
| 11:42:53 | preglow | oh, and btw, recording _should_ support more than 16 bits (i can't test it) now, but the wav routine will still just write 16 bits |
| 11:43:23 | preglow | and i'm really not inclined to code anymore on this now |
| 11:43:29 | whatboutbob | so its just sampled down to 16 bits? |
| 11:43:36 | preglow | the last bits are just ignored |
| 11:43:51 | preglow | like i said, i can't test whether it works |
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| 11:44:01 | preglow | so someone else needs to do that part |
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| 11:45:53 | whatboutbob | preglow: i *think* my ad20 (what i'm testing on) outputs slightly higher than 16bits...but i can't recall where i read the specifics so i can't confirm just atm. |
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| 11:46:26 | preglow | whatboutbob: and i don't think it's possible for me to detect it anyway |
| 11:46:37 | preglow | which brings up a nice problem, i guess |
| 11:46:47 | preglow | we might need a new option for iriver spdif recording |
| 11:49:09 | linuxstb | You mean bit-depth? |
| 11:49:23 | preglow | yea |
| 11:49:35 | preglow | like i said, i don't know of any way to detect bit depth from the spdif interface |
| 11:49:44 | linuxstb | We'll need that for analogue recording on the ipods as well (I hope). |
| 11:51:09 | preglow | it looks like we always receive twenty bits from the spdif interface |
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| 11:51:53 | linuxstb | Yes - I think I read somewhere that spdif is always 20-bits, even when transmitting 16-bit data. |
| 11:52:05 | linuxstb | (it's just padded) |
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| 11:52:08 | preglow | yea |
| 11:52:14 | preglow | but i wonder how 24 bits is supported |
| 11:52:16 | preglow | i don't think we can anyway |
| 11:52:35 | linuxstb | From wikipedia: "S/P-DIF is meant to be used for transmitting 20 bit audio data streams plus other related information. It can be reduced to 16 bits by zero padding or to 24 bits by renouncing the extra information." |
| 11:53:03 | preglow | i don't understand that last... |
| 11:53:08 | linuxstb | Nor do I... |
| 11:54:06 | linuxstb | But isn't the Coldfire IIS limited to 20-bits? |
| 11:54:16 | whatboutbob | can anyone make any sense of this: http://www.core-sound.com/inbox/3.php (re: my unit's output) |
| 11:54:51 | whatboutbob | ok...i think it means it outputs 20bits but only 16.5 is meaningful... |
| 11:55:06 | pondlife | It's the wrong way round, surely.. |
| 11:55:21 | preglow | linuxstb: yes, we can't use anything more |
| 11:55:28 | preglow | linuxstb: the internal audio bus is 20 bits wide |
| 11:55:54 | preglow | pondlife: it's 16 bit |
| 11:56:19 | whatboutbob | preglow: oh, do you happen to know if its possible to apply negative gain w/ optical? |
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| 11:56:44 | LinusN | yes it is |
| 11:56:52 | pondlife | I mean the wikipedia entry - you'd zero pad to obtain 24 bits and truncate to get 16 |
| 11:57:00 | LinusN | but we have no code for it |
| 11:57:06 | whatboutbob | thanks Linus |
| 11:57:13 | preglow | whatboutbob: of course it's possible, it just doesn't make sense |
| 11:57:43 | preglow | when i'm recording spdif, i sure as hell want the bit perfect input |
| 11:58:04 | preglow | pondlife: you can't zero pad to 24 bits when the sample size is max 20 |
| 11:58:18 | whatboutbob | Hehe...there's a method to my madness. For recording live music a lot of preamps have a large minimum gain...sometimes too large. |
| 11:59:14 | whatboutbob | (eg +17-20dB) |
| 11:59:27 | linuxstb | Isn't applying gain to the digital input the same (but less reliable) as applying gain to the whole recording in post-production? |
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| 11:59:57 | whatboutbob | i'm talking about negative gain (attenuation?). |
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| 12:00:14 | amiconn | attenuation for digital makes no sense at all |
| 12:00:17 | linuxstb | So am I - it doesn't matter what kind of gain it is, it's still a digital gain. |
| 12:00:24 | LinusN | whatboutbob: but you will still attenuate after-the-fact |
| 12:00:34 | LinusN | the distortion is already there |
| 12:00:48 | amiconn | Either the input signal is low enough, then we surely want bit-perfect recording |
| 12:01:11 | amiconn | If the input signal is clipping, digital attenuation won't fix that |
| 12:01:35 | whatboutbob | Ah...ok...I wasn't thinking it through. Of course the distortion would already be there. |
| 12:01:50 | preglow | the only thing you do when decreasing the amplitude of the digital signal, is throwing away bits |
| 12:02:05 | preglow | so you really should keep it as you recorded it until you have a good reason to postprocess it |
| 12:02:49 | amiconn | Applying positive gain might make sense - if we apply it before truncating to 16bit |
| 12:03:30 | preglow | sure, but let's not think about that |
| 12:03:43 | preglow | if you want more bits, you record with 24 bit wavs |
| 12:03:49 | preglow | kiss, etc |
| 12:04:10 | LinusN | and we currently only use the 16-bit fifos anyway |
| 12:04:24 | preglow | yeps |
| 12:04:26 | amiconn | Is the recording dma capable of handling >16bits? |
| 12:04:32 | LinusN | no |
| 12:04:47 | amiconn | Okay, then I say forgot about 24bit... |
| 12:05:00 | pondlife | Would you consider dither if truncating 20 to 16 bits? Or is that likely to use too much CPU? |
| 12:05:28 | LinusN | well, i haven't found a good way to program the dma for the 20-bit fifos |
| 12:06:25 | LinusN | a second glance at the data sheet proves me right |
| 12:06:35 | LinusN | "It is possible to use DMA to transfer data to/from the FIFOs in the audio interface module. Only PDIR2 and |
| 12:06:35 | LinusN | PDOR3 registers support DMA, as others need more than 1 long-word to transfer data to/from the FIFO |
| 12:06:35 | LinusN | and cannot be used with DMA operation." |
| 12:08:55 | preglow | hmm? don't we use dma with PDIR1 now? |
| 12:09:23 | LinusN | no |
| 12:10:13 | LinusN | PDIRx and PDORx are the fifos, to which any audio channel can be routed |
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| 12:11:05 | preglow | riight |
| 12:11:10 | preglow | so we actually use pdor3 for playback |
| 12:11:19 | LinusN | yup |
| 12:11:23 | preglow | i thought the fifos were coupled to the interfaces |
| 12:11:25 | preglow | but that can't be, no |
| 12:11:48 | preglow | but anywho, we should support non-dma modes some time as well |
| 12:12:05 | LinusN | perhaps |
| 12:12:15 | preglow | well, it would be nice with 20 bit recording |
| 12:12:21 | LinusN | indeed |
| 12:12:22 | preglow | and playback, i guess, even though i don't care much about that |
| 12:12:40 | LinusN | at least for lossless |
| 12:13:36 | preglow | which reminds me we still don't support dithering |
| 12:13:37 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:14:00 | preglow | perhaps i'll fix it when i overhaul dsp.c a bit |
| 12:14:50 | amiconn | Imho 20bit playback makes no sense - considering the bad snr of the uda1380... |
| 12:16:22 | preglow | i still say we should give it a try. measuring audio quality from data sheets has always been a bad idea |
| 12:16:37 | preglow | plus, spdif out supports more than 16 bits perfectly |
| 12:17:15 | amiconn | Ah, yes, s/pdif out |
| 12:18:08 | amiconn | I'm not judging the uda from the datasheet. If I can hear white noise from the headphone amp even at my usual listening volume, the snr can't be good |
| 12:21:09 | preglow | no, i don't think it's very good either |
| 12:21:11 | preglow | but still worth a shot |
| 12:21:28 | preglow | of course, we'll have some trouble in the fact that our pcm buffer is 16 bit |
| 12:21:29 | preglow | s |
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| 12:30:30 | preglow | which i think we should just make 32 bit anyway, of course :> |
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| 12:40:38 | romanos_melodos | has anyone any idea if rockbox is going to support video in next releases for ipod nano? |
| 12:41:15 | Zagor | romanos_melodos: not in next release, no. (3.0) |
| 12:41:47 | romanos_melodos | right |
| 12:42:22 | romanos_melodos | anyway.. can i just use linuxipod and rockbox together? |
| 12:43:09 | Rick | eh? |
| 12:43:45 | romanos_melodos | ipodlinux |
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| 12:44:41 | romanos_melodos | paul_the_nerd where are you????? |
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| 12:45:30 | RedBreva^ | Mornin all |
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| 12:49:57 | RedBreva^ | I am still strugling to get this 'Cross Compiler' stuff sorted... but I am getting closer. I have managed to make the sh1 tool chain, but am unsure which bits I need to repeat for the arm and m68k platforms... I assume I need to rebuild binutils with target="arm-elf" etc. but do I need to clean out the old sh1-elf build first, if so how? |
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| 12:55:05 | petur | RedBreva^: you do a make install after building, then start again for the next target in a clean (other) directory |
| 12:55:19 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
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| 13:02:50 | RedBreva^ | So I have to do 3 separate binutils... binutils_sh1, binutils_arm binutils_m68k for example? |
| 13:03:50 | petur | looks like it, yup |
| 13:04:55 | RedBreva^ | Are the binutils needed to create the final firmware, or just to build the cross compiler? |
| 13:05:25 | RedBreva^ | that is, can they be deleted after all the compilers are built? |
| 13:05:41 | petur | you must make install them as well |
| 13:06:36 | petur | I only build one target, got bored with the long wait and downloaded the precompiled packages of the other targets ;) |
| 13:06:57 | RedBreva^ | So the build folder can be deleted once the associated gcc/gdb is built? |
| 13:07:37 | RedBreva^ | It's more a case of trying to understand it at the moment, rather than actually wanting to be able to build multiple platforms |
| 13:08:09 | petur | I think so, yes - but I'm in no way a knowledgable person in this matter |
| 13:08:20 | RedBreva^ | But I do intend to get a Nano 4GB this week to add to the H140, so I will want multiple platform support soon |
| 13:08:47 | petur | doing step 3 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment is the easiest way... |
| 13:09:35 | linuxstb | Yes, you can delete the build directory after you've done "make install". |
| 13:09:58 | RedBreva^ | Did that in Cygwin, but I am trying to get my laptop working with SuSe10 |
| 13:10:22 | RedBreva^ | linuxstb: Ahh, Ok - thanks |
| 13:11:56 | linuxstb | I have all three toolchains installed, and I just installed them (you need both binutils and gcc for each target CPU) with different prefixes passed to configure - I use /usr/local/sh1, /usr/local/arm and /usr/local/m68k. You then need prefix/bin in your PATH for each. |
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| 13:15:35 | RedBreva^ | so having run configure with target="" etc for sh1, make and make install... can I reran configure for the next target, and I get errors, so should I delet the binutils and re-extract the archive? |
| 13:16:15 | RedBreva^ | damn, my spelling is crap today! |
| 13:16:26 | LinusN | RedBreva^: don't run configure in the same dir as the source files |
| 13:17:07 | LinusN | RedBreva^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 13:17:44 | RedBreva^ | That's what I am trying to follow, But I am finding it extreamly confusing... :( |
| 13:18:07 | LinusN | what parts are confusing? |
| 13:18:42 | RedBreva^ | So I have binutils.gz, which I extract to a binutils folder... Is this not where the configure is run from? |
| 13:18:53 | LinusN | not according to the instructions |
| 13:18:58 | RedBreva^ | Names shortened to save typing mistakes ;-) |
| 13:19:05 | LinusN | see "Create the build tree" |
| 13:20:12 | RedBreva^ | Yep... I am in home/me/build/binutils running ../../configure isn't that running the configure from the source files? |
| 13:21:06 | LinusN | at that point, you are not in the source tree, since you are in an empty dir |
| 13:21:17 | LinusN | so that is perfectly correct |
| 13:21:44 | RedBreva^ | OK, it's a terminology issue I think |
| 13:21:59 | LinusN | that means that the home/me/binutils-blabla directory is untouched |
| 13:22:27 | LinusN | and you can just delete everything in the build/binutils dir and reconfigure |
| 13:22:58 | LinusN | no need to extract the binutils tar file again |
| 13:23:01 | RedBreva^ | rm binutils/*.* ? |
| 13:23:14 | LinusN | rm -rf build/binutils/* |
| 13:23:17 | RedBreva^ | OK... |
| 13:23:38 | RedBreva^ | It's starting to make a bit more sense now |
| 13:23:53 | LinusN | also note that you can use the same binutils version for all targets, but you need different gcc versions for them all |
| 13:24:28 | RedBreva^ | GCC 3.4.6 (coldfire) 3.3.6 (Sh1) and 4.0.2 (arm)? |
| 13:24:34 | LinusN | bingo |
| 13:24:43 | RedBreva^ | hehehe. getting there |
| 13:24:54 | RedBreva^ | Thank you for your patience |
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| 13:28:59 | amiconn | LinusN: I hope to get gcc 3.4.6 working for sh, together with using -Os for the core |
| 13:29:09 | amiconn | Will cut down binary size by ~5% ... |
| 13:29:13 | LinusN | wow |
| 13:29:50 | RedBreva^ | OK, time to go to the Gym - thanks again |
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| 13:30:06 | amiconn | Strangely enough, binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.3.x, -O) > binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.4.x, -O) and binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.3.x, -O2) > binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.4.x, -O2) |
| 13:30:18 | amiconn | Erm, wrong |
| 13:32:51 | preglow | LinusN: i take it we'll drop the extra wps patches, then? |
| 13:33:07 | LinusN | personally, i want them in |
| 13:33:26 | LinusN | i wish i had taken the time to include them earlier |
| 13:33:32 | amiconn | binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.3.x, -O) < binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.4.x, -O) and binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.3.x, -O2) < binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.4.x, -O2) |
| 13:33:53 | amiconn | but binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.3.x, -Os) > binary_size(sh-elf-gcc-3.4.x, -Os) |
| 13:34:16 | preglow | yeah, i'd like them too, but time is growing a bit short |
| 13:34:32 | preglow | not that we'll meet the date anyway |
| 13:34:43 | LinusN | i'm pretty sure we won't make it untim may 1 |
| 13:35:18 | linuxstb | LinusN: Do those WPS-related patches need much work? |
| 13:35:26 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 13:36:36 | * | amiconn thinks the already present hacks need cleanup instead of introducing even more hacks |
| 13:37:01 | amiconn | The recording screen adaption to the remote (including peakmeter) is a big hack... |
| 13:43:04 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree that the wps patches don't have priority, but i still think they add good value |
| 13:43:56 | LinusN | i can't remember saying that i wanted the recording screen patch |
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| 13:46:35 | preglow | what did it do? |
| 13:46:43 | preglow | i think the current recording screen is pretty decent |
| 13:48:55 | LinusN | try it with the remote control :-) |
| 13:49:06 | preglow | works fine |
| 13:49:27 | preglow | sample rate isn't there, but that's that |
| 13:51:02 | amiconn | It works, but it's an ugly hack |
| 13:51:21 | amiconn | E.g. peakmeter must be same height and postion |
| 13:51:40 | amiconn | That's why peakmeter on remote only works for recording, and not in the remote wps... |
| 13:51:50 | LinusN | most of the features in rockbox started out as ugly hacks |
| 13:51:58 | preglow | indeed |
| 13:52:01 | preglow | nothing wrong with a hack |
| 13:52:04 | preglow | we'll always have them |
| 13:52:14 | preglow | we should try to get rid of them, of course |
| 13:52:17 | LinusN | that's the whole spirit of "release early, release often" |
| 13:57:43 | amiconn | LinusN: A wiki page describing the target tree concept would be nice... |
| 13:57:52 | LinusN | agreed |
| 13:58:09 | preglow | amiconn: how is it a hack, btw? only thing i can see is that it's a bit tight on space |
| 13:58:31 | preglow | that being a problem on the remote doesn't exactly qualify the attempt as a hack |
| 13:58:56 | amiconn | Check the source... |
| 13:59:17 | Moos | preglow: speaking about hacks, what's about the musepack one? :) |
| 13:59:27 | amiconn | The peakmeter needs to be made a proper gui widget, but that's only one problem... |
| 13:59:33 | preglow | Moos: it doesn't work on ipod, and i can't say i'm thrilled at debugging it |
| 13:59:45 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 13:59:59 | preglow | so it went further down my list |
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| 14:00:12 | Moos | let's hope the author of the patch will try to debug it himself then |
| 14:00:17 | linuxstb | preglow: What's the ipod problem? data aborts, or does it just not work? |
| 14:00:24 | preglow | linuxstb: just not work, all tracks are skipped |
| 14:00:32 | preglow | linuxstb: works in sim, so endian should be alright |
| 14:00:34 | preglow | in short, i have no idea |
| 14:00:44 | Moos | uch :( |
| 14:00:47 | linuxstb | If the endianness is OK, then maybe signed/unsigned chars. |
| 14:00:53 | preglow | and i'll try to restrict myself to 3.0 critical stuff for the time i have |
| 14:01:00 | preglow | linuxstb: ahhhh, that i didn't think about |
| 14:02:05 | amiconn | Maybe we need to disable aac for 3.0 |
| 14:02:21 | linuxstb | I was just thinking the same thing. But it works OK on the ipods. |
| 14:02:32 | linuxstb | (at least, my single 128kbps AAC file works) |
| 14:02:50 | preglow | 3.0 isn't for ipods |
| 14:02:52 | preglow | and yes |
| 14:02:56 | Moos | preglow: did you spoke with the author of the musepack patch yet? |
| 14:02:58 | preglow | we'll disable that if nothing more happens |
| 14:02:59 | preglow | Moos: no |
| 14:03:04 | Moos | k |
| 14:03:05 | amiconn | Any news about ffmpeg aac? |
| 14:03:13 | linuxstb | I'm just saying we should only disable it for Coldfire targets. |
| 14:03:13 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, it's in the works |
| 14:03:29 | preglow | linuxstb: well, that's the only swcodec target we have for 3.0 |
| 14:03:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: The disabling would be only for release anyway, to be re-enabled for cvs builds afterwards |
| 14:03:47 | preglow | i see no need to disable it in cvs |
| 14:03:59 | lostlogic | pondlife: ping? |
| 14:04:42 | Moos | lostlogic: hi, crossfade completly broken+still negative values in debug audio, in case... |
| 14:04:50 | pondlife | lostlogic: hi |
| 14:05:18 | lostlogic | pondlife: if you have a voice file present during boot up, music doesn't play for you at all on H300? |
| 14:05:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: There seems to be activity in the ffmpeg AAC decoder, an initial patch was posted to the ffmpeg-devel mailing list, but it's still incomplete, and it's floating-point only at this stage. But I believe they are planning to implement a fixed-point version as well. |
| 14:05:51 | lostlogic | Moos: totally borked => freezes? Always? |
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| 14:06:04 | lostlogic | Moos: how do you create the negative values in debug audio? |
| 14:06:17 | Moos | lostlogic: here yep :(, 4sec out/in |
| 14:06:19 | robin__ | Hi, does the gameboy emulator already work on the Ipod Nano ? |
| 14:06:38 | Moos | I stoped playback go to debug and -421 value : ) |
| 14:06:39 | pondlife | lostlogic: I updated to the current (still) CVS build; H300 would no longer boot (just locked up at logo). I then tried clearing settings and deleting playlist_control (using RetailOS), but no improvement. Renaming english.voice allows me to boot. |
| 14:06:41 | lostlogic | Moos: all coldfire targets seem to have problems :( |
| 14:06:48 | Moos | uch :( |
| 14:07:07 | lostlogic | pondlife: ugh, thanks. |
| 14:07:10 | robin__ | Hi, does the gameboy emulator already work on the Ipod Nano ? |
| 14:07:26 | linuxstb | robin__: No. |
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| 14:07:46 | lostlogic | Moos: playback stopped having strange values *shrug* |
| 14:07:46 | petur | heh |
| 14:07:50 | pondlife | lostlogic: I can now boot, but it crashes whenever I try to play. |
| 14:08:12 | amiconn | lostlogic: Not all. My H340 works fine with current cvs, apart from the single hang last night... |
| 14:08:22 | pondlife | lostlogic: Will be at lunch shortly, will attempt to disable voice and/or crossfeed to see if I can work out what's up. |
| 14:08:25 | lostlogic | amiconn: you don't crossfade, correct? |
| 14:08:30 | amiconn | correct |
| 14:08:40 | pondlife | amiconn: Try enabling it...? |
| 14:08:48 | Moos | lostlogic: I usually don't skip with Crossfade Off, but I tried since Crossfade broken, and noticed som strange artifacts betwen tracks when buffer full? is this one behaviour related to your last changes? |
| 14:08:58 | lostlogic | no need, it will break coldfire targets with crossfade. |
| 14:09:13 | Moos | -1st ? |
| 14:09:28 | lostlogic | Moos: my latest changes should have eliminated a lot of skipping track artifacts. |
| 14:09:49 | Moos | ohh, ok never tried w/o crossfade before |
| 14:10:11 | Moos | it seems still few of them then :P |
| 14:10:22 | lostlogic | define these artifacts. |
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| 14:10:54 | Moos | ahah, my poor english will not help me, let's try :) |
| 14:11:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: Sometimes I also get these artifacts. |
| 14:11:23 | amiconn | A short chirp before the actual skip |
| 14:11:25 | Moos | lostlogic: some few ms of strange noises like deformed songs |
| 14:12:37 | lostlogic | is it on transitions from mp3 by chance? |
| 14:13:08 | Moos | here tried with mp3's yes |
| 14:13:30 | pondlife | lostlogic: Have just disabled crossfade, but still crashing. Maybe it's beeps or voice that's causing my problem? |
| 14:13:33 | Moos | and happened when buffuer already filled |
| 14:13:39 | Moos | buffer |
| 14:13:55 | lostlogic | pondlife: disabled voice and moved away the voice file |
| 14:13:55 | lostlogic | ? |
| 14:14:06 | lostlogic | Moos: did it happen with other audio formats as well? |
| 14:14:22 | Moos | let me try... |
| 14:14:43 | Moos | just mp3/mpc/ogg here |
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| 14:17:35 | Moos | wow, my X5 just refused to switch mpc−−>mp3 |
| 14:17:56 | lostlogic | pondlife: both beeps and crossfade now use a similar mixing strategy, so it's possible that if one freezes on coldfire both will. still don't see why there would be all this trouble on coldfire and not on ipod with these changes. |
| 14:18:05 | pondlife | lostlogic: Beeps are ok |
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| 14:18:42 | lostlogic | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:18:45 | amiconn | lostlogic: mp3->mp3, as 99% of my music |
| 14:18:48 | pondlife | lostlogic: Have just got my H300 here and cleared settings. Enabling voiced directories (.talk clip) seems to be the problem |
| 14:19:34 | amiconn | pondlife: I always use .talk clips in the car... |
| 14:20:14 | amiconn | My voice settings for in-car: Menus: enabled, Dirs: .talk clip, Files: Number |
| 14:20:27 | Moos | lostlogic: it sounds a bit like the last mp3 frame read is distorded during few milliseconds before to skip |
| 14:20:34 | pondlife | amiconn: Are they working for you at the moment? |
| 14:20:39 | amiconn | yews |
| 14:20:40 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:21:13 | amiconn | Crossfade: off, beeps: off |
| 14:22:28 | lostlogic | Moos: yes, that's what I was semi-expecting, might be due to my 8 bytes-hack for mad. |
| 14:22:29 | amiconn | lostlogic: A further hint towards a race thing: I am using different (faster) ata timings |
| 14:22:32 | pondlife | OK, I have crossfade:off , beeps: off and only voicing dirs (not menus or files). I then shut down and restart (having saved config). There is then hard disk access for loading the .talk clip, but nothing is played. |
| 14:22:49 | Moos | lostlogic: ok |
| 14:23:49 | pondlife | Then I go into a folder and play an MP3 - it does a "soft" crash - i.e. backlight timer works, but no progress/playback and cannot get out of WPS |
| 14:24:16 | lostlogic | pondlife: that's the same thing nano is doing |
| 14:24:18 | pondlife | And cannot shutdown. |
| 14:24:25 | Moos | lostlogic: and confirmed always negative debug audio values at stop |
| 14:24:29 | pondlife | HDD icon was on initially, but is off now |
| 14:24:36 | lostlogic | pondlife: if you disable voice it will probably work |
| 14:24:41 | lostlogic | Moos: at stop, no concern for now. |
| 14:25:43 | Moos | it seems you that will be hard to fix all those issues before to come here :( and before release |
| 14:26:06 | * | Moos speptic about one release at 1st May :) |
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| 14:26:22 | Moos | +is |
| 14:26:47 | lostlogic | I am also skeptical, and not only because of my work. |
| 14:26:58 | Moos | indeed :( |
| 14:27:35 | Moos | let's hope this last april week will be more bug killing : ) |
| 14:28:25 | * | Moos is frustrated to canot help on this |
| 14:28:31 | preglow | nah, too much needs doing |
| 14:29:05 | Moos | preglow: optimistic? |
| 14:29:51 | preglow | Moos: not at all |
| 14:30:01 | preglow | linuxstb: char is unsigned on arm? |
| 14:30:52 | pondlife | lostlogic: OK, voice clips disabled has resolved that crash. But if I then re-enable crossfade, I can make a hard crash that way - but you probably knew that..! |
| 14:31:01 | lostlogic | yes, as noted on the wiki. |
| 14:31:14 | pondlife | So it works best if both voice and crossfade are disabled. Beeps seem to be safe though |
| 14:31:16 | lostlogic | I wonder if they are the same race somehow. |
| 14:31:24 | preglow | Moos: lucky you, i just made musepack seeking work on arm |
| 14:31:46 | Moos | preglow: wee \o/ lucky *us* : ) |
| 14:31:55 | pondlife | lostlogic: Hope so. |
| 14:32:10 | preglow | i'll just chat a bit with the musepack people, then we'll see |
| 14:32:11 | pondlife | lostlogic: Actually, whilst beeps are not crashing, they are also not happening every time |
| 14:32:40 | Moos | preglow: that what I wanted to suggest you but didn't know how to ask you this :) |
| 14:33:34 | preglow | their irc server seems to be down |
| 14:33:34 | pondlife | I'm not really au fait with debugging yet (except on the sim), so not sure how more I can help - please suggest if you think I can :) |
| 14:33:47 | Moos | in case you don't have link at hand http://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=299&start=15&sid=307fa1c6396413c60e5c4c7557e47ca4 |
| 14:33:53 | Moos | @preglow |
| 14:34:19 | preglow | read it, but i prefer to see if i can contact them on irc first |
| 14:34:24 | preglow | i'm not too big on forums |
| 14:34:35 | linuxstb | preglow: I think so - unsigned on ARM, signed on x86/Coldfire etc |
| 14:34:43 | Moos | that what I said him in my post, to come here to speak |
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| 14:35:57 | preglow | Moos: i don't exactly think this patch is watertight |
| 14:36:26 | preglow | after seeking to near the end of a track, the track just never ends |
| 14:37:42 | Moos | I'm sure if you advise him a bit, the things can evolute a bit |
| 14:37:58 | Moos | I don't know if he is still working on it or not |
| 14:38:36 | Moos | or maybe you can do this yourself by any luck? :) |
| 14:38:43 | preglow | he probably knows what's wrong |
| 14:39:15 | Moos | good, he is then still working on it, at least let's hope so |
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| 14:39:47 | preglow | but seeking does indeed work |
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| 14:40:00 | preglow | lostlogic: any idea why the seek bar snaps back when seeking again? |
| 14:40:05 | preglow | or has that behaviour never gone away? |
| 14:40:15 | Moos | preglow: that is a good point for release, no? |
| 14:40:24 | preglow | sure |
| 14:40:28 | preglow | but it doesn't work correctly yet |
| 14:40:45 | preglow | i'll commit it if he fixes it |
| 14:40:59 | preglow | i haven't got time to look more into it right now |
| 14:41:07 | Moos | no problem |
| 14:41:10 | preglow | i'll leave some feedback for him on his patch |
| 14:41:12 | lostlogic | preglow: didn't I fix that yesterday? |
| 14:41:24 | Moos | preglow: it's already a good thing |
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| 14:43:00 | preglow | lostlogic: perhaps :> |
| 14:43:04 | lostlogic | I just committed something which may or may not improve the crossfade situation, if some coldfire user could test crossfade the same way it was freezing now. |
| 14:43:05 | Moos | yep, fixed here |
| 14:43:27 | Moos | lostlogic: I will |
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| 14:43:44 | pondlife | lostlogic: so will I |
| 14:43:50 | lostlogic | preglow: the reason was that the codecs would call a position update after a seek complete, but before decoding a new frame. |
| 14:43:54 | lostlogic | thanks |
| 14:44:22 | lostlogic | preglow: er not after a seek complete, but after a seek_time had been set, but before a seek complete, so I made the playback ignore position updates during seek. |
| 14:44:55 | preglow | Moos: ehh, no tracks end with this patch |
| 14:45:02 | preglow | Moos: they just get stuck at the end |
| 14:45:08 | Moos | preglow: uch :( |
| 14:45:52 | Moos | lot of things to point to snowgoon then :) |
| 14:47:02 | lostlogic | w00t! I've just gotten the race -> playback acts stupid. maybe logf will help me now. |
| 14:49:20 | preglow | Moos: no, not much. only that |
| 14:49:39 | Moos | cool ! |
| 14:50:36 | pondlife | lostlogic: Well crossfade still crashes here, hope this new find is the one! |
| 14:50:42 | pondlife | i.e. with your last commit |
| 14:51:03 | lostlogic | pondlife: latest one is not erlated to crossfade problem |
| 14:51:07 | lostlogic | (latest find) |
| 14:51:15 | lostlogic | it's related to the voice startup race |
| 14:51:19 | pondlife | OK |
| 14:51:43 | pondlife | So, crossfade is still unhappy :( |
| 14:51:54 | preglow | whatboutbob: any news on the recording, then? |
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| 14:54:15 | lostlogic | pondlife: I still haven't managed to reproduce the crossfade one here as I don't have a coldfire target to play with... makes it very difficult to hunt :( |
| 14:54:34 | Moos | lostlogic: still broken :( |
| 14:54:40 | pondlife | Can I offer any logging stuff as assistance? |
| 14:55:06 | pondlife | It's totally reproducible - just skipping to next track with crossfade locks up hard |
| 14:55:22 | Moos | yeah |
| 14:55:49 | lostlogic | if either of you have an LCD remote that you can logf on and could get the last few lines of the logf from it freezing, that might be helpful. |
| 14:55:55 | pondlife | Ah - H300 sim gives a memory access fault at the same point... |
| 14:55:58 | pondlife | I can look into that |
| 14:56:16 | lostlogic | pondlife: *nod* I coudln't get the H3x0 sim working right today |
| 14:56:33 | lostlogic | pondlife: if you have a chance, and could test exactly teh same in an ipod 5g sim, that would also be useful. |
| 14:56:43 | lostlogic | if the sims are different then ... I just don't even know :0\ |
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| 14:58:35 | lostlogic | w00t! found my race, I'm 90% sure |
| 14:58:55 | lostlogic | preglow: You were getting that nano won't play shit yesterday, right? Test latest CVS if you get a chance. |
| 14:59:13 | pondlife | 5G = video, right? |
| 14:59:13 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm on my way out to wash my bike, will do later |
| 14:59:23 | lostlogic | pondlife: yeah |
| 14:59:40 | lostlogic | preglow: no rush, my commit definitely fixed some bugs, just want to check that it fixed that one too. thanks. |
| 14:59:51 | amiconn | lostlogic: With a secondary pcm buffer for voice, would it be possible to mix in the dma isr? |
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| 15:00:16 | lostlogic | amiconn: I've noticed _STEEP_ performance penalties for every instruction in the ISR, so I'd be hesitant. |
| 15:00:23 | amiconn | (mix one buffer ahead from what is currently playing) |
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| 15:00:41 | amiconn | lostlogic: Oh? |
| 15:01:00 | * | amiconn can't imagine why mixing in the isr would be more demanding tan mixing in a thread |
| 15:01:20 | lostlogic | amiconn: I mean we could try it and see if what I was seeing was just flukey, but we're talking elimination of 1 or 2 instructions would be noticeable on the audio debug screen |
| 15:01:56 | amiconn | Hmm, that's on ipod, right? |
| 15:02:02 | lostlogic | no, that was when I was on H3x0 |
| 15:02:09 | amiconn | ugh |
| 15:02:17 | amiconn | How large is one dma chunk? |
| 15:02:23 | lostlogic | 32k give or take |
| 15:02:42 | lostlogic | seems like they average 34k or some such |
| 15:06:40 | pondlife | Hmm - ipod 5g sim gives divide by zero error immediately! |
| 15:06:59 | LinusN | i can't see how the performance in the dma isr of the h300 could be critical |
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| 15:11:26 | pondlife | Shouldn't that CVS build be complete by now...? |
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| 15:12:13 | goffa | this is probably a known bug, but songs are locking about 2 seconds before the end of the track |
| 15:12:23 | goffa | i have latest cvs |
| 15:12:33 | goffa | was experiencing this all weekend with earlier builds too |
| 15:13:04 | petur | when just playing them? |
| 15:13:14 | ravon | I got that too. |
| 15:13:31 | ravon | And some songs choke for 1-2s every now and then. |
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| 15:15:51 | goffa | petur: yes |
| 15:16:15 | goffa | haven't had the songs hickup for 1-2 seconds though.. it just usually stops playback |
| 15:16:19 | goffa | towards the end |
| 15:16:30 | goffa | if i hit next track, it'll play next track though |
| 15:17:22 | goffa | at first i thought it was only mpc.. but it seems to happen on some oggs too... seems random though |
| 15:18:17 | petur | I listened to a bunch of mp3 on the way to work this morning - no problems |
| 15:18:48 | goffa | yeah.. haven't had probs with mp3 |
| 15:18:58 | goffa | but then i deleted a lot of them this weekend before i left |
| 15:19:04 | goffa | replaced them with mpc and ogg |
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| 15:19:16 | goffa | don't know what percentage i'm at of mp3... probably 20 |
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| 15:22:35 | egotrippen | this isn't really important but i wanted to ask |
| 15:22:46 | egotrippen | was crossfade turned off on song skipping? |
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| 15:26:34 | amiconn | Bagder, t0mas: Build hanging... |
| 15:27:12 | lostlogic | egotrippen: no, but it could be buggy. |
| 15:27:20 | lostlogic | goffa: that's quite weird, I've not seen that |
| 15:27:45 | Moos | lostlogic: crossfader still broken even with last changes |
| 15:27:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: if Linus says it shouldn't be critical, we could try it |
| 15:27:54 | lostlogic | Moos: that change wasn't meant to change crossfade. |
| 15:28:01 | Moos | oh ok |
| 15:28:12 | lostlogic | should fix voice |
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| 15:28:36 | Moos | k |
| 15:28:38 | egotrippen | lostlogic: ok. i just noticed it wasn't, but it wasn't a "real" test |
| 15:28:43 | whatboutbob | preglow: bah, well, my attempt to get a long recording to screw up failed dismally. I got bored after two and a half hours. |
| 15:28:45 | egotrippen | just wanted to ask because i liked that feature |
| 15:29:00 | goffa | lostlogic: doesn't seem to happen with random off... |
| 15:29:18 | lostlogic | goffa: I always shuffle −− you don't use crossfade, do you? |
| 15:29:19 | goffa | but the problem seems to happen randomly :) |
| 15:29:25 | goffa | no crossfade |
| 15:29:26 | whatboutbob | Don't know why the other 3 long recordings didn't work out. I'll put it down to the battery in my preamp until someone proves otherwise. |
| 15:30:53 | whatboutbob | preglow: the only issue I have to report thus far is that,about 1 in 10 attempts to record hangs at 8kb. |
| 15:30:55 | lostlogic | egotrippen: it sounded to me like it tried to work, but didn't quite, you on the latest CVS? |
| 15:31:48 | egotrippen | i made a build like 8 last night |
| 15:31:55 | lostlogic | egotrippen: yeah, definitely works for me, try the latest. |
| 15:32:02 | egotrippen | ok |
| 15:32:05 | egotrippen | thanks |
| 15:32:16 | lostlogic | egotrippen: what platform are you on, btw? |
| 15:32:20 | egotrippen | H300 |
| 15:32:46 | lostlogic | wait... it doesn't freeze up for you like it does for pondlife and moos and 123309812 other people !? |
| 15:32:49 | lostlogic | I hate computers. |
| 15:32:54 | egotrippen | huh? |
| 15:33:03 | egotrippen | lemme make a build, i'll check out anything you need me to |
| 15:33:05 | lostlogic | a bunch of people are having crossfade just plain freeze up on coldfire targets. |
| 15:33:18 | egotrippen | i had a freeze last night, but i think crossfade was off |
| 15:33:22 | whatboutbob | preglow: oh, if it is the battery in my pre-amp playing up, would that explain why the headers weren't being saved for the files? |
| 15:33:26 | egotrippen | i jsut reset it and it's been working since then |
| 15:33:36 | Moos | egotrippen: try wuth |
| 15:33:43 | Moos | with very last build |
| 15:33:47 | lostlogic | unfortunately, I can't stick around for testing right now, must go to working, but I'll read the log when I get there. |
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| 15:34:15 | egotrippen | gimme a sec to dl the bleeding edge |
| 15:34:15 | goffa | so... things are more stable.. with crossfade? |
| 15:34:56 | egotrippen | i usually compile my own, but my two tiny patches shouldn't affect anything |
| 15:35:19 | whatboutbob | if that's the case, then it would be nice if the recording could shut down gracefully when a signal is no longer being received. |
| 15:36:02 | egotrippen | extracting.... |
| 15:36:22 | egotrippen | ok, what do you want me to do? |
| 15:36:53 | lostlogic | egotrippen: just turn on crossfade, crossfade mode, and make a manual track transition that would normally crossfade. |
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| 15:37:03 | egotrippen | ok |
| 15:37:32 | egotrippen | yeah, it crashed |
| 15:37:51 | lostlogic | alright, you're not an anomaly. what are the two patches you use, btw? |
| 15:38:21 | egotrippen | one to gwps.h to change the 'navi' button functions to the 'rec' button in WPS |
| 15:38:40 | egotrippen | and one to filetree.c to display files with '..' but not '.' so i can see all my albums |
| 15:38:45 | lostlogic | hmph. |
| 15:38:48 | egotrippen | i have two or three that start with elipses |
| 15:39:16 | whatboutbob | ...for my next trick (just for giggles really) i'm going to compare rockbox f/w optical recording with rockbox optical. |
| 15:39:17 | lostlogic | I still don't get how it can _always_ break coldfire and _never_ break ipoop. but now to work, back in a bit. |
| 15:39:31 | egotrippen | ok |
| 15:39:49 | egotrippen | thanks a lot for the quick answer just now. every experience with the RB devs has been great |
| 15:39:56 | egotrippen | really, thanks |
| 15:41:01 | whatboutbob | preglow: thanks again for working on digital recording. I particularly appreciate your efforts because I understand you have very little interest in recording but still took one for the team. :-) |
| 15:42:07 | amiconn | whatboutbob: rockbox optical should always be identical to rockbox optical ;) |
| 15:42:34 | goffa | still waiting for recording on x5.. |
| 15:42:52 | goffa | not a big priority... but i do like to record my drumming from time to time to see what i'm doing wrong |
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| 15:43:03 | goffa | or hear i should say :) |
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| 15:45:43 | preglow | whatboutbob: ARGH!! it still has hangs? |
| 15:45:46 | preglow | _FUCK_ |
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| 15:56:56 | XavierGr | Hello All! |
| 15:57:44 | pondlife | Can somebody give the build servers a kick...? |
| 15:58:15 | petur | ah XavierGr... |
| 15:58:41 | petur | I'm unable to connect to the share of vmware, any ideas? |
| 15:59:13 | petur | could it be because my pc is in a domain? |
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| 16:02:19 | preglow | mborus: here? |
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| 16:05:07 | amiconn | petur: Check the networking setting of the vm. To make sure network acces host<->guest works, it needs to be either 'NAT' or 'Host only' |
| 16:06:21 | mborus | Hi, |
| 16:06:37 | mborus | preglow, I'm on a lunch break |
| 16:06:47 | amiconn | With 'Bridged', the vm needs an IP from the same range as your host's lan ip in order to make the access work |
| 16:06:49 | petur | it's NAT and I can cvs update ok, but i can't see the share :( |
| 16:06:51 | mborus | I just posted some spdif tests in the forum |
| 16:07:20 | mborus | see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2575.0 |
| 16:07:27 | preglow | mborus: i know |
| 16:07:41 | preglow | mborus: i just wondered why the hell the satelite recording doesn't save the wav as 48khz |
| 16:07:46 | preglow | mborus: it should, i've tested it myself |
| 16:08:04 | petur | amiconn: and host-only does the same |
| 16:09:02 | mborus | Don't know. Maybe it's because I did some 44.1 digital recordings and then tried 48 kHz without rebooting. |
| 16:09:11 | preglow | mborus: should still work |
| 16:09:38 | preglow | mborus: check in the spdif debug screen and see if the sample rate is set correctly there from the satellite source |
| 16:09:46 | mborus | preglow I need to get back to work - I will do some more tests later tonite |
| 16:11:10 | preglow | i really, really don't have any more time for recording now |
| 16:11:26 | preglow | the fact that i also have to guess what to do doesn't ease anything |
| 16:11:56 | mborus | debug shows 44.1. |
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| 16:12:52 | preglow | mborus: then that's the error |
| 16:12:56 | preglow | mborus: it lies about its sample rate |
| 16:13:15 | preglow | hmm, or no |
| 16:13:24 | preglow | i think the sample rate detected is estimated from the actual sample rate used |
| 16:13:28 | preglow | are you 100% sure it's 48khz? |
| 16:15:39 | mborus | The signal is 48kHz. For sure. Unless the satellite receiver changes that internally. I'm back from work in aprox 4 hours and will check that possibility. |
| 16:16:03 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, now back home.. i could try the patch soon |
| 16:16:10 | XavierGr | petur:? |
| 16:16:12 | preglow | Slasheri: cool |
| 16:16:23 | petur | yes |
| 16:16:25 | preglow | mborus: in any case there's absolutely nothing i can do about it |
| 16:16:30 | mborus | Sorry, need to go now. |
| 16:16:33 | XavierGr | you type \\debian and it won't connect? |
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| 16:16:51 | petur | indeed |
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| 16:17:00 | amiconn | Slasheri: Found my tagcache test results in the log? |
| 16:17:01 | XavierGr | hmm try run->cmd |
| 16:17:08 | XavierGr | ping debian |
| 16:17:30 | petur | unknown host |
| 16:17:31 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, seems pretty good. I will try to figure also the bugs soon |
| 16:17:51 | linuxstb | I've never seen any broadcasts which are not 48KHz, but the DVB specs do allow for 32KHz and 44.1KHz, so in theory it's possible... |
| 16:18:06 | XavierGr | petur: while running the VMware image, right? |
| 16:18:18 | petur | hehe, sure |
| 16:18:24 | amiconn | On H1x0 and Ondio, I observed less. resp. no commit speedup. Seems like the disk/media is the limiting factor there |
| 16:18:24 | preglow | linuxstb: still doesn't change the fact that coldfire thinks the sample rate is 44.1khz |
| 16:18:35 | preglow | linuxstb: the value i read is estimated from the incoming audio clock |
| 16:18:40 | amiconn | The speedup on archos is remarkable... |
| 16:18:56 | XavierGr | petur: does ssh work? |
| 16:19:21 | petur | euh.. linux noob here |
| 16:20:09 | goffa | so... if the coldfire seems to hose up quite often with new builds, etc... why do devs seem to prefer it, or is that sarcasm? just asking |
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| 16:20:56 | goffa | <- owns a cold fire |
| 16:21:08 | goffa | probably going to get another one if i win my auction |
| 16:21:29 | petur | XavierGr: I can ssh debian in eterm and that connects fine |
| 16:21:34 | romanos_melodos | howdie! Anyone knows where can i find some rockbox games except from the ones allready included? |
| 16:21:43 | petur | if that's what you meant |
| 16:21:46 | lostlogic | goffa: I don't think coldfire is more hosed than other targets... |
| 16:22:03 | XavierGr | petur: what the ethernet box says in VMware window? (top of the window) |
| 16:22:05 | lostlogic | goffa: I do prefer the m68k assembly to arm though (probably from lack of arm knowledge) |
| 16:22:13 | petur | NAT |
| 16:22:24 | lostlogic | I'm sure I break coldfire more, because I don't have a coldfire device to test on currently. |
| 16:22:26 | petur | also tried host-only |
| 16:22:28 | XavierGr | and it says connected? |
| 16:22:31 | romanos_melodos | i hate vmware\ |
| 16:22:40 | romanos_melodos | :P |
| 16:22:44 | petur | yups |
| 16:22:45 | goffa | ah... not being critical either, just asking |
| 16:23:02 | petur | can even cvs update |
| 16:23:13 | romanos_melodos | anyone know where else can i find some rockbox games? |
| 16:23:29 | XavierGr | petur: do you have a windows ssh client? (though I doubt it will see the machine if the ping failed) |
| 16:23:34 | romanos_melodos | i wanna play pacman , and it's on the pdf but not on the rockbox |
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| 16:23:55 | petur | XavierGr: no |
| 16:24:33 | petur | XavierGr: I'm wondering if I rebooted since installing vmware, maybe I should... |
| 16:24:56 | romanos_melodos | i go to : browse plug-ins, pacbox and it says no roms .... |
| 16:24:57 | XavierGr | you should. |
| 16:25:08 | XavierGr | because the ethernet adapter maybe isn't configured |
| 16:25:13 | lostlogic | Bagder: t0mas: in case you didn't see, the build server seems stuck. |
| 16:25:24 | goffa | just locked again on an mpc |
| 16:25:30 | XavierGr | romanos_melodos: you need the right files to download |
| 16:25:39 | romanos_melodos | where can i find them? |
| 16:25:47 | goffa | next got it out |
| 16:25:51 | XavierGr | Search Google: we can't distribute them |
| 16:26:17 | petur | XavierGr: will do that tonight then - payed work now... and seriously, this W2K dev box sometimes isn't rebooted in months :D |
| 16:26:42 | XavierGr | romanos_melodos: read the wiki page for the exact list of files needed. |
| 16:26:47 | XavierGr | petur: ok |
| 16:27:01 | XavierGr | petur: I just hope it will work... |
| 16:27:38 | petur | I'm not sure - it means I can do RB work here too.... :P |
| 16:28:03 | XavierGr | nice :) How the USB OTG goes? |
| 16:28:12 | petur | shhht |
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| 16:30:22 | XavierGr | petur: Control Panel -> Network Connections. |
| 16:30:41 | XavierGr | Do you see: VMware Network Adapter VMnet1 and VMware Network Adapter VMnet8? |
| 16:30:46 | Kyomi | I think my battery might be dying |
| 16:30:59 | XavierGr | (maybe it will be a little different than that) |
| 16:31:43 | preglow | Kyomi: my deepest sympathies |
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| 16:33:14 | petur | XavierGr: both present and enabled |
| 16:33:33 | lostlogic | goffa: had you tried to seek within the mpc that it broke at the end of? |
| 16:33:34 | XavierGr | strange :( |
| 16:34:01 | petur | no worries, I'll reboot the box tonight |
| 16:34:08 | XavierGr | petur maybe it needs special configuring for your case. A reboot should make it clear. Feel free to ask me next time. |
| 16:34:13 | Kyomi | preglow: This isn't normal is it? http://kyomi.ziphoid.com/dump.bmp |
| 16:34:30 | Kyomi | Over the scale of about 2.5 hours |
| 16:34:37 | preglow | what unit? |
| 16:34:40 | Kyomi | H320 |
| 16:34:51 | preglow | might be |
| 16:34:55 | preglow | but 3.59 is a wee bit low |
| 16:35:17 | Kyomi | I had it fully charged using the original f/w |
| 16:35:45 | Kyomi | Know any place that I could get a new battery? Maybe a longer lasting one? |
| 16:35:54 | preglow | hmm, not anymore, no |
| 16:35:55 | preglow | probably ebay |
| 16:35:59 | Kyomi | Argh |
| 16:36:05 | lostlogic | Kyomi: I already told you, ebay, iopd 1/2 gen, switch the leads. |
| 16:36:13 | Kyomi | Oh |
| 16:36:16 | Kyomi | I didn't see that |
| 16:36:24 | Kyomi | There isn't a place that sells them? |
| 16:36:33 | preglow | apparently not too many anymore |
| 16:36:38 | lostlogic | alternately, you could buy one of my 3 for a reasonable donation to rockbox. |
| 16:36:46 | preglow | ebays probably cheaper anyway |
| 16:36:56 | Kyomi | lostlogic: How do you mean? |
| 16:37:00 | Kyomi | lostlogic: And what are they? |
| 16:37:01 | amiconn | Kyomi: There's still an issue with rockbox on H300 drawing more power than it should |
| 16:37:20 | lostlogic | Kyomi: I have 2 original H300 batteries and one replacement that I got off of ebay but I broke both of my H300s, so ... |
| 16:37:21 | Kyomi | amiconn: So it may not be dying then? Just running out fast? |
| 16:37:28 | amiconn | Yes I think so |
| 16:37:39 | lostlogic | Kyomi: if it's 2.5 hours @ 3.59, your battery is definitely on its later legs. |
| 16:37:42 | Kyomi | Does using a 24-bit wps matter? |
| 16:37:43 | lostlogic | at least IMO |
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| 16:38:00 | Kyomi | I'm using the Trinity one... I dont think that would do much |
| 16:38:13 | Mikachu | you could check how long it lasts on the stock firmware |
| 16:38:17 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: budy, pal, why the heck is coldfire and not arm broken for crossfade? :) |
| 16:38:18 | Kyomi | amiconn: So... I should fully charge it and use the original f/w for a day? |
| 16:38:48 | amiconn | lostlogic: Several people reported the battery running empty on H300 much faster than in retailos, sometimes only 4 hours |
| 16:38:49 | preglow | well, that would show us if it's rockbox or the battery that sucks rod |
| 16:39:15 | Kyomi | k |
| 16:39:19 | lostlogic | amiconn: ah, didn't realize it was that extreme in some cases. |
| 16:39:32 | preglow | amiconn: damn, that's nasty |
| 16:39:49 | preglow | we've got pretty much the same situation on hd ipods |
| 16:40:08 | Kyomi | I usually just use the usb charging function till I get hoome |
| 16:40:09 | Kyomi | home* |
| 16:40:11 | amiconn | I didn't measure myself, but H300 rockbox battery runtime definitely shorter than mini2g rockbox battery runtime |
| 16:40:29 | amiconn | That's in spite of iriver promising 16 hours with the stock battery |
| 16:40:51 | Kyomi | amiconn: well I think I did have that with stock firmware |
| 16:41:00 | Kyomi | I could go like 2 days without it needing to be recharged |
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| 16:42:27 | amiconn | Bagder? t0mas? |
| 16:42:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Several of those people though turned out to have been playing doom, and stuff like that. |
| 16:42:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Because "Coldfire" is a cool enough name that *something* had to go horribly wrong elsewhere to compensate. |
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| 16:44:23 | preglow | lets hope apple chooses something spectacularily uncool for their next ipod, then |
| 16:44:29 | preglow | something so uncool it's got docs, even |
| 16:44:34 | lostlogic | :) |
| 16:44:50 | lostlogic | I bet PP doesn't release docs so they don't get laughed at. |
| 16:44:59 | crashd | heh, maybe they'll build it on an array of hideously overclocked zx80's preglow |
| 16:45:03 | preglow | wouldn't surprise me |
| 16:45:15 | preglow | crashd: that would be the logical choice, yes |
| 16:45:20 | crashd | imho, anyway |
| 16:45:26 | preglow | modulating the output of a sid chip for pcm playback |
| 16:45:27 | crashd | :> make emulating the gb on rockbox simple as hell tho |
| 16:45:31 | crashd | heh |
| 16:47:37 | preglow | well, ok, i guess i'll check out tonis libmad improvements on arm now, then |
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| 16:53:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Regarding Crossfade, I'm not entirely sure it's *crossfade* that's actually broken. With that same build, sometimes just trying to start music resulted in the same sort of freeze (with crossfade set to OFF) as you'd get when crossfade caused it to freeze. |
| 16:54:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: There were also some crazy hangs on startup that I finally resolved by getting in and disabling dircache. I think there's something else entirely wrong on Coldfire maybe. |
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| 16:55:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Funny thing is, when it said "Settings Cleared" it'd still hang, but the *next* boot would work |
| 16:55:40 | preglow | lostlogic: seems playback with voice file works again now, gr8 |
| 16:56:17 | Slasheri | hmm, now host system is configured at 96 kHz but can't directly playback anything from computer.. so i will have to play something and try to record :) 192k seems to be available also, but i think that's for adat |
| 16:56:43 | preglow | Slasheri: spdif != adat |
| 16:56:51 | Slasheri | yes, i know |
| 16:56:52 | preglow | so if you've got adat, you need to set it to spdif mode first |
| 16:56:54 | preglow | if you can |
| 16:57:05 | Slasheri | the outputs can be configured as adat (default) or s/pdif |
| 16:57:10 | lostlogic | preglow: cool, love when solving 1 race solves multiple problems. |
| 16:57:20 | preglow | hole SHIFT |
| 16:57:22 | preglow | gHARH |
| 16:57:28 | preglow | i just broke my bloody ears |
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| 16:57:47 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: let me know if you have more non-crossfade freezes of that same sort, 't would be interesting. |
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| 16:58:05 | preglow | Slasheri: i've never heard about 192khz adat |
| 16:58:22 | preglow | Slasheri: what sound card is this, btw? |
| 16:58:31 | Slasheri | preglow: i think that is multiple adat channels combined (the whole bandwidth) |
| 16:58:37 | amiconn | lostlogic: Dircache is another hint towards the race. I always have dircache disabled |
| 16:58:41 | Slasheri | E-MU 1820m |
| 16:58:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Yeah, these were all using the build I'd been trying with last night so it doesn't have that pcmbuf.c change from today |
| 16:58:54 | preglow | Slasheri: if you combined all eight channels you could possibly have 192khz stereo, yes |
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| 16:59:32 | preglow | toni's libmad patches don't work well on ipod |
| 16:59:44 | preglow | note to self: lower volume when trying out patches |
| 16:59:55 | crashd | preglow: is this a performance patch on arm? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:01 | preglow | well, it should work for arm too |
| 17:01:31 | preglow | yeah, the huffdecode breaks on arm |
| 17:01:46 | preglow | hopefully an endian issue |
| 17:01:49 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, should the peakmeters work while recording? |
| 17:02:07 | Slasheri | or should i do something to set the 92k sample rate for iriver? |
| 17:02:20 | preglow | Slasheri: they should |
| 17:02:28 | Slasheri | they do nothing :/ |
| 17:02:28 | preglow | Slasheri: for optical input, you should do nothing |
| 17:02:35 | preglow | Slasheri: try a lower sample rate, then |
| 17:02:42 | Slasheri | hmm.. i will try with other sample rates also |
| 17:02:53 | preglow | it actually seems aac doesn't work anymore now |
| 17:02:55 | preglow | what triggered that? |
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| 17:07:04 | preglow | #define swap(x) (x) ........ |
| 17:07:07 | * | preglow slaps toni |
| 17:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's an actual line? |
| 17:08:01 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, should i have s/pdif format as s/pdif or aes/ebu? |
| 17:08:21 | preglow | spdif |
| 17:08:28 | preglow | aes/ebu isn't strictly compatible |
| 17:08:29 | RedBreva | Is the Nano playing audio reliably ATM? I am getting one latter this week , and would be very pleased if I *NEVER* need to run iTunes... |
| 17:08:58 | linuxstb | RedBreva: Lots of people in this channel never use itunes with their ipods... |
| 17:09:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | RedBreva: I have a nano, and never use Itunes with it |
| 17:10:11 | RedBreva | That's great....I just havn't been paying too much attention to the current state of iPod's, but having been promised I can have one to use at the gym I thought I better check ;-) |
| 17:11:20 | preglow | file reading sure is slow on nano |
| 17:11:22 | preglow | for being flash based |
| 17:11:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that a driver issue, or just an "What the hell did Apple do to make it work like this" issue? |
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| 17:12:20 | preglow | amiconn: around 5 percent shaved off with antonius' huffdecode patch (libmad) |
| 17:12:36 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, did you test the patch with any sample rates yet? |
| 17:13:00 | Slasheri | either i haven't configured the output properly yet (very possible), or it just don't work at any sample rate now |
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| 17:13:27 | preglow | Slasheri: i've tested it with 44.1 and 48, which are the only ones i have access to |
| 17:13:38 | preglow | Slasheri: try it in the iriver firmware |
| 17:13:44 | preglow | Slasheri: or no... you haven't got that, have you |
| 17:13:59 | Slasheri | interesting, then it might be a problem with my setup.. just a moment, i will try more :) |
| 17:14:12 | Slasheri | hehe, yeah. that would be little difficult ;) |
| 17:15:30 | amiconn | preglow: where did you find that swap(x) define? |
| 17:16:06 | preglow | amiconn: in bit.c |
| 17:16:09 | whatboutbob | preglow: sorry, i can't figure out how to replicate that hang at 8kb. will keep trying. |
| 17:16:18 | preglow | amiconn: in antonius' libmad patch |
| 17:16:48 | amiconn | urgh |
| 17:16:49 | preglow | whatboutbob: at least i can't make it happen anymore |
| 17:17:18 | amiconn | mp3 is big endian? |
| 17:17:25 | whatboutbob | preglow: it happened 4 times today for me :-( |
| 17:18:13 | preglow | amiconn: it's pretty much endian neutral, everything is described as bit fields |
| 17:18:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: I thought mpeg audio was just a stream of bits, so I suppose that counts as big-endian. |
| 17:18:22 | preglow | yeah, probably |
| 17:18:44 | preglow | yeah, that would be big endian, wouldn't it |
| 17:18:52 | linuxstb | So s/swap/betoh32/ ? |
| 17:19:00 | preglow | i just did swap32 |
| 17:19:09 | preglow | but yeah |
| 17:19:12 | preglow | that should probably do |
| 17:19:15 | whatboutbob | amiconn: by god you were right! rockbox optical recording is *exactly* the same as rockbox optical recording. nice call. :-) |
| 17:19:31 | linuxstb | preglow: So that was the only libmad problem on ARM? |
| 17:19:36 | preglow | linuxstb: yes |
| 17:19:43 | amiconn | preglow: Yes I think it should be betoh32() (or betoh16() maybe) |
| 17:20:08 | amiconn | whatboutbob: I only replied to your msg.. |
| 17:20:12 | preglow | amiconn: btw, boost on iriver.mp3 went from 72ish% to 68ish% with the huffman decode patch |
| 17:20:37 | linuxstb | Which target? |
| 17:20:40 | amiconn | Hmm, did you try the other parts too? |
| 17:20:41 | preglow | nano |
| 17:20:49 | preglow | the gain is much, much larger on coldfire |
| 17:20:51 | whatboutbob | amiconn: yeah i know...i should just stop typing. |
| 17:20:53 | amiconn | (of course the imdct part is coldfire only)+ |
| 17:20:54 | preglow | 320kbps mp3 is unboosted there now |
| 17:21:04 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think the other parts are changed for arm |
| 17:21:06 | Moos | wow |
| 17:21:22 | amiconn | Bagder! t0mas!! |
| 17:22:35 | amiconn | preglow: Ah, yes. Then _someone_ need to do something similar for arm ;) |
| 17:22:41 | amiconn | *needs |
| 17:22:46 | preglow | amiconn: if i only had a clear idea of how... |
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| 17:25:49 | preglow | would be neat if some other people could test his patch too |
| 17:25:54 | preglow | i haven't got the biggest mp3 collection ever |
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| 17:26:10 | crashd | preglow: what you need testing? |
| 17:26:29 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5219 |
| 17:27:09 | crashd | ah, you wan it testing on iriver targets? |
| 17:27:22 | preglow | all targets |
| 17:27:42 | crashd | ahright, ill make a build once par is finished |
| 17:27:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't forget the small swap(x) fix for ipods, right? |
| 17:28:07 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, i think iriver might not work as it should.. for example i can't stop the recording at all |
| 17:28:15 | Slasheri | and it seems to to write anything to disk |
| 17:28:28 | Slasheri | need to reset to shutdown the unit.. |
| 17:29:00 | preglow | Slasheri: did it stick at 8kb written? |
| 17:29:08 | Slasheri | 0k.. |
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| 17:29:57 | Slasheri | it doesn't work with any sample rate :/ |
| 17:30:13 | preglow | if i have spdif source, i seem to hang |
| 17:30:19 | preglow | haven't tried too many times |
| 17:30:33 | preglow | also, if an spdif source is present, you should hear it and see it on the peak meter |
| 17:30:41 | preglow | so you might have misconfigured spdif or something |
| 17:30:45 | preglow | at least other people could record |
| 17:30:58 | Slasheri | with other sources it seems to work normally |
| 17:30:58 | lostlogic | but seriously, where are bagder and t0mas when you need them? |
| 17:31:13 | Slasheri | ah, i will try if i could hear it |
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| 17:31:38 | Slasheri | preglow: might there be issues with the consumer/professional mode? |
| 17:31:48 | preglow | Slasheri: i believe it takes both |
| 17:31:49 | Slasheri | i think my sound card puts out the professional format |
| 17:31:56 | preglow | Slasheri: at least it can send both |
| 17:32:03 | Slasheri | ah, hmm |
| 17:32:25 | preglow | the only difference between professionsl and consumer, afaik, is a bit and sturdier clock accuracy margins |
| 17:34:02 | amiconn | preglow: Could you add your fix for arm to the patch? |
| 17:35:57 | goffa | anyone know how x5 60gb compares to ipod 60gb in terms of battery life? |
| 17:36:10 | goffa | and how does that compare to h340 |
| 17:36:45 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, do you have a direct url for the patch so i could check again it's the correct version? |
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| 17:37:16 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/spdif_recording.patch |
| 17:37:23 | preglow | amiconn: need to try it first |
| 17:37:41 | Slasheri | seems to be correct.. |
| 17:38:06 | preglow | Slasheri: have you checked with the spdif debug screen to see if it actually picks up a signal? |
| 17:38:13 | Slasheri | oh! |
| 17:38:18 | Slasheri | now i got the peakmeters work |
| 17:38:26 | Slasheri | at least 48 kHz works ok |
| 17:38:48 | whatboutbob | slasheri: you may need to reset settings to get digital recording working...and make sure optical out is on (not sure if preglow's mentioned that yet) |
| 17:38:51 | preglow | Slasheri: how? |
| 17:38:58 | Slasheri | i think my cable might be bad.. it has low signal level, or iriver is not too sensitive.. |
| 17:39:03 | preglow | whatboutbob: you know, i might not have mentioned that... |
| 17:39:24 | Slasheri | hmm, now the signal lost again |
| 17:39:50 | Slasheri | i will try with another cable |
| 17:40:19 | preglow | but yeah, like whatboutbob says, optical out needs to be enabled, apparently |
| 17:40:39 | preglow | amiconn: also, his patch breaks a couple of sine sample wavs i have |
| 17:40:50 | preglow | amiconn: which might be an indication he's doing something subtly wrong in imdct |
| 17:41:15 | whatboutbob | preglow: ^"apparently"? I haven't actually tested that...just took your word for it. :) |
| 17:41:36 | preglow | whatboutbob: oh, i have |
| 17:41:49 | preglow | a couple of times |
| 17:41:59 | preglow | i wasted an hour wondering why nothing i did worked |
| 17:43:03 | whatboutbob | hehe...ok...i just confirmed it anyways. |
| 17:44:07 | preglow | Slasheri: at least all the three top fields on the screen should say OK when it receives a valid signal, afak |
| 17:44:10 | whatboutbob | i notice the 'source' doesn't stick when restarting the iriver. defaults to mic. |
| 17:44:11 | preglow | afaik, yes |
| 17:44:23 | preglow | whatboutbob: oh? mine seems to remember it sometimes |
| 17:44:47 | Slasheri | preglow: ah, if iriver loses the signal, it wont resync until reboot |
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| 17:45:05 | preglow | Slasheri: oh??? |
| 17:45:27 | Slasheri | preglow: yep.. when i removed the cable and plugged back in, peak meters did no longer work |
| 17:45:32 | Slasheri | but reboot fixes that |
| 17:45:42 | preglow | Slasheri: works just fine and dandy here |
| 17:45:45 | preglow | Slasheri: over and over again |
| 17:45:59 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting |
| 17:46:12 | Slasheri | ah |
| 17:46:13 | lostlogic | hardeep: any interest in looking at (or helping me look at) why a Manual skip that should change directories doesn't, but automatic skip that should change directories does? |
| 17:46:21 | Slasheri | it is enough just to re-enter the recording screen |
| 17:46:33 | preglow | Slasheri: now i just killed my peak meters too |
| 17:46:39 | preglow | Slasheri: i love how this isn't consistent |
| 17:46:46 | Slasheri | preglow: oh, in fact only peak meters stop working |
| 17:46:51 | Slasheri | music still plays correctly |
| 17:46:55 | goffa | my locking seems to be limited to mpc... ogg didn't do it today after i updated to latest cvs |
| 17:46:56 | preglow | Slasheri: if peak meters work, then recording will work too |
| 17:47:00 | preglow | Slasheri: if not, then recording has broken |
| 17:47:11 | preglow | Slasheri: the monitoring is just an echo function the coldfire chip has |
| 17:47:27 | Slasheri | i will try now other sample rates.. |
| 17:47:35 | preglow | i see that reentering the recording screen fixes the problem now |
| 17:47:47 | preglow | so i need to do some more initing when i change source, apparently... |
| 17:47:56 | lostlogic | goffa: odd. wiki it if you get a chance... or bother preglow :) |
| 17:48:21 | preglow | and when resyncing to spdif..... |
| 17:48:48 | Slasheri | it also seems that iriver is not at all too sensitive.. with the other cable, it wont work at all |
| 17:49:01 | Slasheri | there is just some periodical noise coming out |
| 17:49:06 | whatboutbob | preglow: come to think of it...i'm sure i've seen the source stick to digital before too...but I can't get it to work now... |
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| 17:50:04 | preglow | Slasheri: would be pretty interesting to know if this also happened with the iriver firmware, heh, but i guess you don't have flash routines handy? ;) |
| 17:50:32 | Slasheri | preglow: well, i would need the full flash dump from a unit with iriver firmware.. |
| 17:50:40 | Slasheri | then i could flash that image over to it :) |
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| 17:51:05 | Slasheri | of course i no longer have the original rom dump.. :D |
| 17:51:32 | preglow | hahah |
| 17:51:44 | whatboutbob | preglow: did you see mborus' comments on the forum? Seems a couple of his recordings failed after ~14minutes. |
| 17:51:44 | preglow | i think a flash dump shouldn't be too hard to get |
| 17:51:46 | Slasheri | i accidentaly overwrote it a long time ago |
| 17:51:58 | Slasheri | preglow: it should be available directly from the debug menu |
| 17:52:02 | preglow | yea |
| 17:52:05 | preglow | i could make one |
| 17:52:11 | Slasheri | hehe, nice :) |
| 17:52:19 | preglow | h120, thought, but i guess it doesn't matter |
| 17:52:26 | Slasheri | yeah, it should work |
| 17:53:44 | amiconn | Slasheri: I could provide a dump of my H140 later |
| 17:53:55 | amiconn | (but I guess it really doesn't matter) |
| 17:54:11 | Slasheri | h120 dump should be just fine |
| 17:54:19 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/internal_rom_000000-1FFFFF.bin |
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| 17:54:29 | Slasheri | preglow: thanks :) i will try to reflash soon |
| 17:54:44 | preglow | md5sum: 3bff190db5f1eea25c24175cab11aa5a /media/usbdisk/internal_rom_000000-1FFFFF.bin |
| 17:54:51 | Slasheri | preglow: 403, forbidden |
| 17:55:02 | preglow | gherhg, gimme a sec |
| 17:55:05 | Slasheri | :) |
| 17:55:29 | preglow | now |
| 17:55:43 | Slasheri | yau, now got it |
| 17:56:20 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Please inform us if you manage to reflash ok. This sounds very thrilling! (and dangerous) |
| 17:56:43 | Slasheri | XavierGr: hehe, i will :) trying very soon |
| 17:56:43 | whatboutbob | preglow: if there's no signal the recording freezes @ 8kb. |
| 17:56:50 | Slasheri | just checking the flash routines first |
| 17:57:18 | preglow | whatboutbob: i know |
| 17:57:33 | preglow | whatboutbob: at least i know what the problem is now |
| 17:57:48 | preglow | whatboutbob: what worries me is that it might also happen during ordinary recording if the signal is bad |
| 17:58:18 | whatboutbob | yeah...i'm wondering if that's what's happening with the 'freezing' recordings... |
| 17:58:28 | preglow | me too |
| 17:58:31 | Slasheri | preglow: both s/pdif and aes/ebu output formats seems to work fine |
| 17:58:43 | preglow | Slasheri: yeah, i found out they're compatible after all |
| 17:58:57 | preglow | Slasheri: but what about 96khz? |
| 17:59:04 | Slasheri | well, trying it now :) |
| 17:59:08 | preglow | excellent |
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| 18:00:53 | Slasheri | preglow: works fine, playing guitar @ 96 kHz and audio sounding correct and peak meters work |
| 18:00:56 | whatboutbob | preglow: perhaps is there some way to put signal detection in so that if it does drop-out it pauses the recording or something...so we can at least know for sure what's going on. |
| 18:01:34 | preglow | Slasheri: how about recording? |
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| 18:01:54 | Slasheri | preglow: it worked too, i will try to listen to the results now |
| 18:02:10 | Slasheri | however, now even the serious cable had serious troubles with that high frequency |
| 18:02:13 | preglow | whatboutbob: well, i need to find out how |
| 18:02:14 | Slasheri | *second |
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| 18:02:31 | preglow | Slasheri: sounds like some dodgy cables you have there |
| 18:02:33 | Slasheri | i have to hold it at excact position not to lose the audio |
| 18:02:38 | Slasheri | yep :/ |
| 18:02:46 | preglow | both of mine works great |
| 18:02:46 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Where on Rockbox? |
| 18:02:52 | preglow | though i know optical cables can be dodgy |
| 18:03:01 | XavierGr | ^(insert comma) |
| 18:03:11 | Slasheri | XavierGr: hmm, what did you mean? :) |
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| 18:03:34 | whatboutbob | slasheri: the iriver optical input can be a bit finicky about certain cables. I had all sorts of issues with one that worked perfectly on other devices but just didn't like the iriver. |
| 18:03:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 18:03:36 | XavierGr | [19:00] ,04Slasheri,99: ,05preglow,99: works fine, playing guitar @ 96 kHz and audio sounding correct and peak meters work,99 <- Rockbox or iRiver firmware? |
| 18:03:52 | Slasheri | XavierGr: ah, rockbox :) |
| 18:04:06 | XavierGr | Ah So you didn't reflash. Nice |
| 18:04:08 | Slasheri | i will try with iriver firmware soon as i get it installed first |
| 18:04:14 | Slasheri | i will now |
| 18:04:22 | preglow | hahaha |
| 18:05:03 | whatboutbob | Anyways, i've got to get up in 4 hours so I'm off to bed. G'night all. |
| 18:05:03 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:05:03 | * | XavierGr crosses fingers! |
| 18:05:10 | preglow | the coldfire manual seems to suggest reclocking the cpu as a solution to adapting to spdif clock rates |
| 18:05:17 | preglow | whatboutbob: night |
| 18:06:08 | Slasheri | eh.. now i got only white noise when i try to playback any file :D |
| 18:06:14 | Slasheri | even rebooted the unit |
| 18:06:23 | Slasheri | ah, my mistake.. |
| 18:06:28 | Slasheri | forgot to update the codecs |
| 18:06:55 | Slasheri | hard to developt with a windows machine as my main workstation is still broken :/ |
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| 18:09:07 | muesli__ | re |
| 18:09:25 | amiconn | Slasheri: Install the vmware player and use the dev vm image... |
| 18:09:33 | Slasheri | preglow: yeah, playback works fine, only with wrong sample rate |
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| 18:10:25 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, that might be interesting to try |
| 18:10:53 | preglow | Slasheri: cool |
| 18:11:03 | amiconn | Bagder!! t0mas!!! |
| 18:14:00 | preglow | is the h1x0 coldfire a 160bga package? |
| 18:14:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:15:26 | Slasheri | lostlogic: hmm, the recent cvs seems to crash when crossfade should kick in |
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| 18:16:08 | preglow | Slasheri: i think he knows about it, heh |
| 18:16:14 | Slasheri | hehe, ok |
| 18:16:50 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, which ver of gcc/glibc did you say to use for ipod(arm) ? |
| 18:17:16 | amiconn | lostlogic: What's the problem with detecting end-of-playlist? |
| 18:17:32 | Slasheri | now i have patched the firmware plugin.. maybe i should just try now |
| 18:17:37 | Slasheri | +flash |
| 18:23:32 | Slasheri | ok, trying now.. hopefully it doesn't crash :) |
| 18:23:52 | preglow | haha |
| 18:24:28 | * | XavierGr is spooked! |
| 18:27:10 | Slasheri | grrr! entered firmware flash plugin and tagcache started building on background or something like that.. huh, it didn't crash |
| 18:27:18 | Slasheri | checking the rom dump |
| 18:28:08 | Slasheri | well, "checking".. i forgot usb mode doesn't work rockbox at the moment :/ so just rebooting then |
| 18:28:29 | Slasheri | haha |
| 18:28:37 | Slasheri | iriver 1.65E starting :D |
| 18:28:40 | XavierGr | Ok "Flasheri" is back on the market!!! |
| 18:28:42 | preglow | haahah |
| 18:28:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: how would it properly be detected? What condition indicates that both the current track is the last track in the playlist, and the stop being processed is automatic not manual. |
| 18:28:44 | XavierGr | Yoohooo |
| 18:28:49 | Slasheri | uh, it's so ugly |
| 18:28:53 | Slasheri | but seems to work |
| 18:28:56 | preglow | yes, yes it is |
| 18:28:59 | lostlogic | Slasheri: yeah, the crossfade thing is very odd, because it breaks on coldfire, but not arm :( |
| 18:29:20 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: there is no glibc for the target, just a C compiler is needed, and binutils, 4.0.3 |
| 18:30:26 | KlrSpz | u mean gcc 4.0.3? |
| 18:30:33 | lostlogic | yes. |
| 18:30:34 | KlrSpz | should i just grab the core or the whole deal? |
| 18:30:40 | lostlogic | just core, you only need a C compiler |
| 18:30:41 | Slasheri | preglow: anyway, thanks for the rom image. now i can start changing the eeprom content and figure out if there are any safe bits to change without affecting original fw |
| 18:31:02 | preglow | np |
| 18:31:22 | amiconn | lostlogic: If you're trying to advance the playlist to the next track, the playlist code should tell you that the playlist ended. |
| 18:31:30 | KlrSpz | thanks, sorry if i'm bothering ya, never set up a cross compiler before and i'm going between the tut on the wiki and a gentoo page, but the gentoo one is proving to be a pos |
| 18:31:35 | preglow | i wonder why recording _hangs_ when recording hasn't been inited correctly, somehow |
| 18:31:38 | amiconn | (during playback, not during buffering) |
| 18:32:00 | amiconn | It worked with the old playback code, and it works on archos, so there must be a way... |
| 18:32:01 | Slasheri | weird.. it seems iriver fw still remembered the last file i had played months ago with the original fw |
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| 18:32:39 | lostlogic | amiconn: hmm... maybe the end of playlist var should be set by the advances, not by the buffering peeks, indeed... still hafta program something so that the playback code knows the difference between an automatic stop and a manual stop. |
| 18:33:10 | preglow | amiconn: stray unhandled interrupts on coldfire shouldn't be a problem, no? |
| 18:33:12 | lostlogic | amiconn: oh sure, it's possible, jsut doesn't work now ;) |
| 18:33:33 | amiconn | preglow: Stray interrupts should call UIE() |
| 18:33:41 | preglow | amiconn: yes, exactly |
| 18:34:09 | preglow | perhaps i should try enabling some interrupts and see if some interesting ones get called when recording hangs |
| 18:37:27 | Slasheri | preglow: eh.. how in earth can i change the recording source to optical in iriver fw? it always reverts back to the int mic.. |
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| 18:38:14 | Slasheri | ah, now found it |
| 18:38:49 | preglow | yeah, it's tricky |
| 18:39:22 | Slasheri | preglow: it's also as sensitive |
| 18:40:00 | preglow | can you hang it, though? |
| 18:40:24 | Slasheri | well, it doesn't have a peak meters so no.. :) |
| 18:40:28 | Slasheri | -a |
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| 18:48:18 | preglow | time for food |
| 18:50:13 | goffa | wonder if lostlogic has any mpcs |
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| 18:57:50 | lostlogic | goffa: I don't. |
| 18:58:07 | lostlogic | goffa: nor do I want any until I figure out crossfades major malfunction on coldfire. |
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| 19:06:55 | amiconn | Bagder!!! t0mas!!!! |
| 19:07:00 | KlrSpz | lostlogic, do i need to mess with the newlib stuff still? |
| 19:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | The newlib stuff is for the SH1 compile only I believe |
| 19:07:59 | lostlogic | KlrSpz: That's only for gcc 3.3 |
| 19:08:04 | lostlogic | yeah, that too |
| 19:08:05 | amiconn | Even only for sh-elf-gcc 3.3.x |
| 19:08:05 | KlrSpz | k, cool |
| 19:08:12 | KlrSpz | what's SH1? |
| 19:08:19 | lostlogic | archos processor |
| 19:08:28 | KlrSpz | ah ok |
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| 19:09:43 | lostlogic | anyone else think it's a sad state of gcc that we have 3 architectures, and the best gcc series is different for each of the three? not only taht, but the current release series doesn't work for any of them!? |
| 19:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually didn't a recent test show that SH1 could have a smaller binary with one of the 4.0 or 4.1 series? |
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| 19:11:07 | lostlogic | I think that was a -O to -Os comparison |
| 19:11:20 | lostlogic | buy -Os comes closer to working on the newer series |
| 19:11:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 19:11:51 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: you don't happen to have an LCD remote, do you? |
| 19:12:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | For H120 I do. |
| 19:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's in a sorry condition, but I *think* it works still |
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| 19:12:29 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: do you think you could make a logf build and cause that crossfade crash on your 120 and see what the last couple lines of logf are? |
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| 19:13:54 | Lear | lostlogic: Had a playback hang earlier today. Pressed play to resume, quickly realized it was for the wrong playlist and pressed stop. A bookmark was created (or so the screen said) but it never exited the WPS. Pressing stop for a couple of seconds had no effect. |
| 19:14:45 | lostlogic | Lear: yeah, I think that's on the wiki... something to do with a stop event before the codec initializes, I think. |
| 19:14:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Sure, gimme a minute to dig up the remote. I was in the process of trying to open it (and failing miserably) so it's somewhere in my "workspace" |
| 19:15:04 | lostlogic | laugh |
| 19:15:05 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: With -Os, gcc 3.4.x creates smaller binaries than 3.3.x (but they don't run yet) |
| 19:15:13 | amiconn | We cannot use any 4.x gcc for SH1 |
| 19:15:16 | lostlogic | food, back soon. |
| 19:15:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 19:15:20 | Lear | lostlogic: well, I did hear a bit of sound, I think... |
| 19:15:29 | amiconn | (due to a silly design decision of the gcc team) |
| 19:15:52 | amiconn | I've opened a bug report for that, but they prefer to ignore it, as usual... |
| 19:16:00 | lostlogic | Lear: hmm, interesting. I definitely need to look into it, because that's one of the bugs that actually effects me... stupid coldfire crossfade first though ;) |
| 19:16:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just need "(L)ogf" and no other developer options, right? |
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| 19:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ummm |
| 19:19:01 | Lear | lostlogic: Or maybe it hadn't started playing music yet; it was a vorbis track, so it was likely still seeking. Can't easily reproduce it at least. |
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| 19:21:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently a logf build inflates the size of Rockboy so that it doesn't fit in the plugin memory any more? |
| 19:23:13 | linuxstb | On which target? |
| 19:23:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: h120 |
| 19:23:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually |
| 19:23:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Region PLUGIN_IRAM is full" |
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| 19:24:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which isn't the same thing. |
| 19:25:14 | Hansmaulwurf | Paul_The_Nerd: does this mean rockboy doesnt work? |
| 19:25:17 | goffa | lostlogic: was just asking, because that's where the freezes happen on playback in latest cvs |
| 19:25:34 | Hansmaulwurf | coz with the latest bleeding edge it works on my H120 |
| 19:25:41 | preglow | lostlogic: i'm using gcc 4.1 for arm as we speak |
| 19:25:43 | preglow | and have been for a long time |
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| 19:26:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: Naah, this is a completely different situation. |
| 19:27:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I assume the easiest "quick fix" for me is to just disable building Rockboy while I run this test? |
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| 19:31:17 | _gmrD00d | how are ya'll testing your binaries? just copying back to the device? |
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| 19:33:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | _gmrD00d: Depends on what's being tested, but yeah quite often. |
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| 19:35:32 | ep0ch | anything urgently need testing? Or else i'll do some boost ratio testing for the libmad patch on ihp and 5g and also test the iram patch from linuxtsb |
| 19:35:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Argh |
| 19:35:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know where it tells Rockbox to build rockboy? |
| 19:37:47 | Lear | plugins/SOURCES or something? |
| 19:38:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | In plugins/SOURCES it's just the overlay for archos |
| 19:38:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It *used* to be in plugins/MAKEFILE |
| 19:38:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Notice the past tense |
| 19:39:02 | Lear | Though for rockboy it should be plugins/SUBDIRS.. |
| 19:39:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, there's a SUBDIRS file now? |
| 19:39:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't see that |
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| 19:43:34 | preglow | ep0ch: you don't really need to test the libmad patch |
| 19:43:37 | preglow | ep0ch: it's already done |
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| 19:43:54 | preglow | ep0ch: what you can do is just try playing around with it. it doesn't seem to work 100% correctly here |
| 19:43:57 | preglow | especially when changing files |
| 19:44:23 | ep0ch | :( |
| 19:44:48 | ep0ch | any idea if it had an effect of ipod performance? |
| 19:44:51 | preglow | it did |
| 19:44:57 | preglow | around 5% less boost at 320kbps |
| 19:45:15 | ep0ch | thats promising |
| 19:45:16 | preglow | that's with only the huffdecode part, i don't think the others will help at all |
| 19:45:43 | ep0ch | your optical recording stuff been tested? |
| 19:47:48 | preglow | yeah |
| 19:47:56 | preglow | with varying results, as usuakl |
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| 19:51:58 | Hansmaulwurf | 2.07 |
| 19:52:02 | Hansmaulwurf | woops |
| 19:52:31 | ep0ch | preglow: what did you mean by the libmad patch not working 100%? |
| 19:56:35 | preglow | ep0ch: like i said, it just hangs when i switch tracks some times |
| 19:59:05 | obo | does ata_disk_is_active work okay on nanos? I can't remember if thats the problem the battery bench had... |
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| 20:07:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't understand the "can we trick it into" mentality. "Can Rockbox be tricked into playing AAC+ files?" "Can we trick it into playing a game with a video in it?" |
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| 20:17:14 | JonSenior | Linuxstb: If you're around... further to my battery queries the other day, I've just fitted a 2200mAh battery to my H300. Seems to be working so far (Still charging, but it hasn't gone bang!). Do I need to do anything to cause Rockbox to recognise this, or will the battery voltages be enough for it. I'm guessing so, but I just want to make sure! |
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| 20:20:45 | Steveoo | yo guys i need help with my archos |
| 20:20:52 | Steveoo | can anyone help |
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| 20:21:44 | Steveoo | can the av480 be downgraded? |
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| 20:23:58 | ep0ch | i've just done a grep for ICODE_ and it looks like libmad doesn't use ICODE, is this right? |
| 20:24:09 | Steveoo | hey |
| 20:24:12 | preglow | no, i don't believe it does |
| 20:24:17 | Steveoo | can the av480 be downgraded? |
| 20:24:43 | ep0ch | which may explain why linuxstb didn't get much of a performance change |
| 20:24:44 | preglow | Steveoo: what makes you think we know? |
| 20:24:56 | ep0ch | so i'll do a test on tremor |
| 20:24:57 | Steveoo | i was on a website |
| 20:25:03 | Steveoo | and it said come here |
| 20:25:18 | preglow | we're not an archos support channel |
| 20:25:32 | Steveoo | ok dont get your knickers in a twist i only asked |
| 20:25:50 | preglow | i'm just telling you we're not an archos support channel |
| 20:25:55 | preglow | that doesn't qualify as knicker-twisint |
| 20:25:57 | preglow | twisting too |
| 20:26:03 | Steveoo | ic |
| 20:26:26 | Steveoo | a simple no would of done |
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| 20:27:13 | preglow | Steveoo: i don't know if it's yes or no |
| 20:27:22 | preglow | and i tend to not answer when i don't know the answer |
| 20:27:31 | Steveoo | fairy muff |
| 20:27:46 | Steveoo | so what channel is this |
| 20:27:47 | linuxstb_ | ep0ch: That's a good point about icode in libmad. The same applies to vorbis (on ARM, icode is used on Coldfire). |
| 20:28:44 | Steveoo | icode in libmad is down to the flux capacitor using the giggle pin on the over ride switch |
| 20:28:52 | ep0ch | any codec or dsp i can use to see the effect it may have? |
| 20:29:25 | amiconn | Bagder!!!! t0mas!!!!! |
| 20:29:33 | t0mas | amiconn!!! |
| 20:29:39 | Kohlrabi | PARTY! |
| 20:29:46 | t0mas | build hang |
| 20:29:48 | linuxstb_ | FLAC uses icode, but that's probably 0% boost already. Maybe Wavpack or ALAC... |
| 20:29:53 | preglow | linuxstb_: then why'd you get a percent difference in performance? |
| 20:29:53 | amiconn | t0mas: Builds hanging since four hours ago... |
| 20:30:04 | * | t0mas takes his big process-stungun |
| 20:30:05 | amiconn | Actually 5 hours |
| 20:30:20 | Lear | Multiple explamation marks, a sure sign of a desperate mind. :) |
| 20:30:38 | ep0ch | preglow: 1% could be down to testing error |
| 20:30:47 | preglow | yes |
| 20:30:52 | amiconn | Lear: One more for each call... |
| 20:30:59 | preglow | haha |
| 20:31:10 | ep0ch | i think SID has icode... so maybe i'll use that |
| 20:31:12 | preglow | if you call load enough on freenode, the recipients get a telepathic message |
| 20:31:48 | markun | Steveoo: maybe try the #archopen channel |
| 20:31:57 | preglow | archopen? |
| 20:32:15 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchOpen |
| 20:32:26 | amiconn | preglow: Well, even if the codec in question doesn't use icode, iirc linuxstb disabled icode globally, i.e. also in the core |
| 20:32:47 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but i don't think we use it too many places |
| 20:32:50 | amiconn | So I'd still expect a performance difference |
| 20:32:56 | preglow | for ipod, that is |
| 20:33:40 | amiconn | Well, some low level functions are in iram on both sh1 and coldfire, and so I'd expect them to be in iram on arm as well |
| 20:33:43 | t0mas | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 20:33:47 | t0mas | killed and restarted |
| 20:34:28 | amiconn | t0mas:Thanks. It's till annoying that only very few people can use the force and are able to do that |
| 20:34:43 | t0mas | yes it is |
| 20:35:04 | t0mas | but I shouldn't be nessesary to use that power at all :) |
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| 20:35:25 | amiconn | Either it should get more stable (i.e. auto-recover from a hang, or better not hang in the first place), or we need more people being able to use the force |
| 20:36:00 | ep0ch | ok i think i'll do a flac test and put eq on so i get some boosting, that way i'll know if icode has an effect of flac or not |
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| 20:38:41 | amiconn | ep0ch: You could also make a special build with a lower default frequency. I think 22MHz will give some boost even with flac |
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| 20:42:12 | lostlogic | preglow: oh, it's just warnings in 4.1, not problems? |
| 20:42:25 | ep0ch | having an ATA benchmark plugin and mem speed plugin would be useful |
| 20:43:42 | ep0ch | bolox forgot to umount |
| 20:43:44 | amiconn | I do have an ata benchmark (or rather, file benchmark), and a test plugin for memset() and memcpy() |
| 20:44:17 | ep0ch | interesting |
| 20:44:36 | amiconn | Both need some polishing to be generally useful (right now I tend to shuffle around some hardcoded values depending on what I want to test) |
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| 20:46:36 | preglow | lostlogic: just warnings |
| 20:47:14 | preglow | amiconn: still better than nothing |
| 20:47:37 | amiconn | ep0ch: Guess how I measured the improvements achieved by my asm optimised ata transfer routines? |
| 20:47:50 | goffa | ugh... i hope mpc playback gets fixed again soon.. i may have to go back to friday's build |
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| 20:48:39 | preglow | goffa: what's wrong with it? |
| 20:48:44 | preglow | no one has touched mpc for ages |
| 20:48:49 | preglow | and i just tried it anyway, it worked fine |
| 20:49:31 | mborus | preglow - I'm back and I checked the satellite signal. It's really 48 kHz and the digital recordings the Iriver made show 44.1 and play too slow. |
| 20:49:45 | goffa | well... since saturday mpcs hang about 2 secs before the end of the track |
| 20:49:53 | goffa | and won't advance until i hit next |
| 20:49:55 | preglow | mborus: try recording with the original firmware |
| 20:50:14 | preglow | goffa: ooooh, really? i thought that was a bug in the patch i just tried |
| 20:50:33 | goffa | i don't think so... i did compile myself |
| 20:50:39 | amiconn | lostlogic: Referring to the mailing list, why/how does low latency mode kill voice? |
| 20:50:42 | goffa | and i switched 2 variables in tree.h |
| 20:50:47 | mborus | OK. BTW, I set the recordings sample rate to 48 kHz just for fun. Didn't make a difference. |
| 20:50:50 | goffa | but i don't think that would affect mpc |
| 20:50:51 | goffa | only |
| 20:51:04 | preglow | mborus: setting the sample rate doesn't do shit |
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| 20:51:15 | preglow | mborus: the sample rate is deduced from the spdif signal |
| 20:51:38 | preglow | goffa: well hot damn, you're right |
| 20:51:45 | preglow | it's gotta be a playback system thing, then |
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| 20:51:53 | goffa | yeah.. that's what i'm thinking |
| 20:52:01 | goffa | although there was an update to all codecs |
| 20:52:09 | goffa | no wait, i updated before then |
| 20:53:24 | goffa | probably is playback.c |
| 20:53:26 | Lear | goffa: that's probably it, it included what appears to be a bad change in mpc: sometimes the return value might not be set... |
| 20:54:00 | Lear | Or not, I spoke too soon. :) |
| 20:54:22 | goffa | looking at changelog |
| 20:55:15 | mborus | preglow: Original Firmware records in 48 kHz |
| 20:56:09 | preglow | does it now |
| 20:56:09 | Lear | Hm... If mpc tends to end tracks with a decode error, the change will probably cause problems... |
| 20:56:12 | goffa | i think i was in here |
| 20:56:13 | goffa | 2006 22 Apr 15:13lostlogicapps/codecs/mpa.c 1.44 Comment and make pretty the hack |
| 20:56:17 | goffa | 2006 22 Apr 14:53lostlogicapps/playback.c 1.295 Fix warning |
| 20:56:20 | goffa | 2006 22 Apr 14:48lostlogicapps/codecs/mpa.c 1.43 Replace one hack with a better hack |
| 20:57:08 | preglow | mborus: and the spdif debug screen says 44.1khz as well for that source? |
| 20:57:14 | goffa | and that was after the reworking of voice to the codecs |
| 20:57:17 | goffa | so i dunno |
| 20:57:40 | Lear | goffa: but mpa.c doesn't decode mpc... |
| 20:58:33 | preglow | Lear: you can see no good reason to keep the chunked approach dsp.c uses in processing now, no? |
| 20:58:35 | goffa | true |
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| 20:58:52 | goffa | but... the updates before then |
| 20:58:58 | goffa | would apply to current |
| 20:59:20 | goffa | and the one before that is the big 2006 22 Apr 14:40 |
| 20:59:30 | goffa | so it could have been voice codec or playbac.c |
| 20:59:41 | goffa | i couldn't correct it if i knew |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:24 | goffa | just trying to narrow it down to when to make it easier for whoever fixes to find it.. probably lostlogic or preglow |
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| 21:00:52 | mborus | preglow: the spdif debug screen said that when I tested it a few hours ago. I'm running another test recording now, afterwards I'll check again. |
| 21:01:19 | Lear | preglow: if it is okay to modify the buffers passed to dsp.c, I guess I don't see any good reason. |
| 21:01:43 | preglow | i can't see why it shouldn't be ok |
| 21:01:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: not sure, I just assumed he was right about that −− didn't actually look into it. |
| 21:01:54 | preglow | Lear: it's not like they're reused in the codecs anyway |
| 21:02:14 | preglow | and i think they're reused in some situations right now anyway |
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| 21:03:11 | amiconn | preglow: Do you have a solution for upsampling? |
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| 21:03:34 | preglow | amiconn: no, that'll still have to use a temp buffer |
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| 21:04:34 | lostlogic | I must be missing something −− what's wrong with upsampling? the code asks the DSP how big of a buffer it'll need to do its thign and then gets that much from pcmbuf... |
| 21:05:17 | preglow | lostlogic: you can't do it in-place |
| 21:05:49 | lostlogic | but you have the input buffer from the codec, and the output buffer from the pcmbuffer... which should be sized correctly...? |
| 21:06:31 | lostlogic | or does resampling happen before trimming to 16bit? |
| 21:06:40 | lostlogic | I guess it would. |
| 21:07:11 | Lear | correct, resample is done before, so the size is wrong. |
| 21:08:02 | preglow | resampling happens at the very start |
| 21:08:06 | preglow | hmmm |
| 21:08:17 | Lear | No, gain is applied first. |
| 21:08:22 | preglow | it's worth considering removing resampling to either last or first spot, depending on whether we down or upsample |
| 21:08:35 | preglow | s/removing/moving( |
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| 21:09:25 | preglow | if we downsample, it's better to do it at the start, if we upsample, at the end |
| 21:09:31 | amiconn | preglow: In case you do (sounds like a good idea) I think you need to adjust the eq coeffs |
| 21:09:38 | preglow | amiconn: yes we do |
| 21:09:45 | preglow | amiconn: and everything else that depends on the sfreq |
| 21:09:52 | Lear | but I guess it would be possible to use pcmbuf as resample buffer, cause it should be possible to request x bytes, but only use y (where y < x)... |
| 21:10:06 | preglow | Lear: the resample buffer should be iram |
| 21:10:08 | preglow | as it currently is |
| 21:10:08 | amiconn | preglow: Ah, yes, like eg. the crossfeed delay... |
| 21:10:19 | Lear | ah, yes, that too... |
| 21:10:28 | preglow | amiconn: yeap |
| 21:10:53 | lostlogic | Lear: yes, that would be possible −− the dsp_output_size function is used to determine how much to get from the pcmbuf, and then the retval from teh dsp_process is how much is 'committed' back to the buffer. |
| 21:11:02 | preglow | amiconn: the crossfeed might vary a little from sample rate to sample rate, though, since the delay time probably won't fit in an integer number of samples for all sample rates |
| 21:11:18 | preglow | lostlogic: btw, there's currently a bug in dsp_input_size and dsp_output_size |
| 21:11:37 | preglow | i notice the sim spits a warning at me all the time when the pitch ratio is above 100% |
| 21:11:43 | preglow | i suspect what is wrong too |
| 21:12:22 | preglow | i don't think they take the initial value of the delta into account |
| 21:12:31 | preglow | ehh, position, i mean |
| 21:12:38 | preglow | so it might be off with one sample from time to time |
| 21:12:59 | lostlogic | preglow: mm, nod, shouldn't cause any major trauma |
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| 21:13:24 | lostlogic | preglow: actually I think I removed the error if the input size happens to grow... |
| 21:13:35 | preglow | might be, i haven't checked for a while |
| 21:13:45 | lostlogic | preglow: because it's not really an error condition, just means that we got extra space from the pcmbuffer that we won't end up committing |
| 21:14:22 | preglow | okies |
| 21:14:22 | amiconn | preglow: Doing the resampling depending on the resampling direction has another advantage - since the dsp code needs to be adjusted for handling varying frequencies, it will make it easier to use different pcm frequencies on platforms where this is possible (ipod) |
| 21:14:35 | preglow | amiconn: yup, that'd be nice too |
| 21:14:49 | preglow | amiconn: we can also use different frequencies on the iriver |
| 21:15:03 | amiconn | We'll then need a mechanism in the pcm buffering to mark frequency changes |
| 21:15:12 | RedBreva_ | Aghhhh! gcc 3.4.6 is failing to compile |
| 21:15:13 | amiconn | preglow: Ah, yes, 44.1/22.05/11.025 |
| 21:15:34 | amiconn | Even the ipods will differ |
| 21:15:56 | preglow | amiconn: we should probably always use the smallest sample rate we can |
| 21:16:03 | amiconn | ...in what sample frequencies they can support |
| 21:16:03 | preglow | unless something says we shouldn't |
| 21:16:26 | amiconn | I would suggest to use the next-higher possible rate for intermediate ones |
| 21:16:43 | RedBreva_ | libgcc and stmp-multilib are failing |
| 21:17:10 | Lear | redbreva_: target? |
| 21:17:17 | amiconn | Iirc the WM8731 (in fact it's a WM8711) can only handle 8/32/44.1/48 (and perhaps higher) |
| 21:17:20 | lostlogic | shouldn't be very difficult to have the pcmbuffer be samplerate aware, and stop / setup / resume playback on a sample rate change, by putting the sample rate of a chunk on that chunk, and comparing it to the previous. |
| 21:17:50 | RedBreva_ | m68k |
| 21:18:45 | amiconn | preglow: Or would it be better to stick to integer upsampling factors whenever possible? |
| 21:19:18 | Lear | redbreva_: and you've applied the config file patch? |
| 21:19:19 | amiconn | E.g. on mini2g, upsample 16kHz to 32kHz, but 22.05kHz to 44.1kHz? |
| 21:20:06 | lostlogic | hmm, only hard part would be what thread to run and how to trigger the pcm_play_data call on sample rate change. |
| 21:20:27 | RedBreva_ | I tried the 3.4.4 but it fails with a file not found... this is after all 3.4.6 ;( |
| 21:21:46 | Lear | well, it is easy to do manually. Open gcc/config/m68k/t-m68kelf file and modify the MULTILIB_OPTIONS line, like the patch shows. |
| 21:21:54 | amiconn | RedBreva_: cygwin? |
| 21:22:02 | RedBreva_ | no Suse10 |
| 21:22:12 | amiconn | Hmm, strange |
| 21:23:20 | Lear | hm... any release notes for 3.4.6? Can't find any info on gcc.gnu.org... |
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| 21:25:32 | lostlogic | Lear: even the NEWS file in the gcc-03.4.6 package only mentions 3.4.5 |
| 21:25:35 | lostlogic | odd. |
| 21:25:57 | ep0ch | linuxstb_: with libflac + 5eqs and icode enabled boost = 30%, without icode = 31% |
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| 21:26:22 | Lear | The releases page mention 3.4.6, but that's pretty much the only place I've found so far. |
| 21:26:44 | Kyomi | Alright.. probably not the place to ask this... but.. how do you view playlists in stock h320 firmware? |
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| 21:28:20 | * | amiconn didn't use the original firmware long enough to answer that question |
| 21:29:22 | amiconn | The original firmware is good for flashing the rockbox bootloader enabled version, and for usb host mode (which is extremely cumbersome to use) |
| 21:29:23 | RedBreva_ | I edited the file as per the patch, but still the same failure :( |
| 21:30:23 | amiconn | RedBreva_: Did you add the bin/ dir of your binutils installation to the path before building gcc? |
| 21:30:37 | amiconn | Otherwise it will of course fail building the multilibs... |
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| 21:31:00 | RedBreva_ | yep, i successfully built sh1 |
| 21:31:18 | lostlogic | any iriver/iaudio users with an LCD remote and who can build a logf build around? |
| 21:31:20 | Gargamale | I successfully spelled success |
| 21:31:37 | Lear | redbreva_: you might need make clean (or even re-run configure) for the change to "bite"... |
| 21:31:39 | amiconn | RedBreva_: You could still have forgotten to add the m68k binutils dir to the path |
| 21:31:47 | amiconn | (unless you |
| 21:31:56 | amiconn | 've installed both in the same path) |
| 21:32:00 | Lear | lostlogic: yes... |
| 21:32:28 | lostlogic | Lear: you had the playback freeze on crossfade bug? |
| 21:32:54 | Lear | amiconn: hm.., can different target builds of gcc share the same −−prefix safely? |
| 21:33:00 | RedBreva_ | whoops!! Back later.... <sneaks off queitly to add the new binutils dir> |
| 21:33:03 | Lear | lostlogic: never use crossfade, so I've no idea. :) |
| 21:33:21 | lostlogic | Lear: want to try to recreate it with a couple extra logging lines? |
| 21:33:46 | preglow | Lear: not recommended |
| 21:33:56 | Lear | I guess I could, yes - as long as it doesn't take too long (like an hour or more... :) |
| 21:33:58 | preglow | Lear: that is, it looks like it might work |
| 21:34:03 | lostlogic | Lear: 10m |
| 21:34:12 | Lear | preglow: good, then I did it the right way. :) |
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| 21:34:31 | lostlogic | I use the same prefix for all of my targets, FWIW |
| 21:34:34 | lostlogic | if (fade_out_chunk == NULL) |
| 21:34:34 | lostlogic | logf("NULL fade out chunk"); |
| 21:35:07 | amiconn | Lear: Hmm, not sure, perhaps not |
| 21:35:16 | Lear | lostlogic: so I add that where? |
| 21:35:32 | lostlogic | Lear: put those two lines at pcmbuf.c:463 and 491, logf it and see what you get in the logf (if possible, put a 1 and a 0 in the two logfs so we can tell which one goes null) |
| 21:35:48 | ts-x | Kyomi: AFAIK you can't view the contents of playlists in the stock firmware |
| 21:35:56 | linuxstb_ | ep0ch: Thanks for testing. Which ipod do you have? |
| 21:36:00 | lostlogic | I'm pretty sure that one of the two must be going null in order for this to break. |
| 21:36:34 | Kyomi | ts-x: According to the manual you can using the A-B button during playback standby mode |
| 21:36:40 | Lear | lostlogic: both line numbers before the change? :) |
| 21:36:42 | Kyomi | But it doesn't like me and wont do that :/ |
| 21:36:45 | amiconn | lostlogic: Interesting... I checked the sub-dirs, and while most seem not to clash, the share/locale/ dirs do... |
| 21:36:51 | lostlogic | Lear: first before change, second after first change. |
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| 21:37:14 | Lear | in the while in the first case? |
| 21:37:17 | lostlogic | amiconn: but doese that matter? :) |
| 21:37:25 | lostlogic | Lear: yeah, last in the while first, and last in the if in the second. |
| 21:37:27 | ts-x | Kyomi: To actually view a list of playlists, yes. But to view their contents, no. |
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| 21:38:22 | mborus | preglow - the S/PFID analyzer shows "Frequency 0 (44.1 kHz)" no matter if a cable is connected or not. When I connect the cable, SYM goes OK, that |
| 21:38:35 | mborus | preglow - the S/PFID analyzer shows "Frequency 0 (44.1 kHz)" no matter if a cable is connected or not. When I connect the cable, SYM goes OK, that's all that happens |
| 21:39:52 | lostlogic | Lear: then just turn on crossfade: always/0/5/1/5/crossfade and do a track skip and it should freeze, and let me know what logfs you get. |
| 21:41:05 | preglow | mborus: trouble is that's all i've got to go by |
| 21:41:10 | Kyomi | ts-x: I dont wanna view their contents |
| 21:41:13 | Lear | Lostlogic: Building on Cygwin, so it takes a little while... :) |
| 21:41:14 | preglow | mborus: if that says 44.1khz, then that's what i get |
| 21:41:21 | amiconn | lostlogic: fyi, while there is an lcd remote for the iaudio, it is not yet supported in rockbox |
| 21:41:29 | Kyomi | I just wanna play the playlists because I think my battery dying is just he H300 problem with rockbox |
| 21:41:43 | Kyomi | So I'm testing a full battery on stock firmware |
| 21:41:50 | lostlogic | amiconn: ah, ty |
| 21:42:07 | amiconn | Lear: testing on H1x0 or H300? |
| 21:42:11 | lostlogic | Kyomi: you can play them with I think the ab button from the main screen... |
| 21:42:13 | ep0ch | linuxstb_: 5g, anything else you think is worth testing? |
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| 21:42:14 | Lear | h140 |
| 21:42:18 | lostlogic | Kyomi: thought you wanted to _view_ them. |
| 21:42:28 | amiconn | Okay, so maybe I should test on H340... |
| 21:42:38 | amiconn | (in case you don't get the hang) |
| 21:42:41 | lostlogic | amiconn: I think it'll be the same, but sure :) |
| 21:43:55 | Kyomi | lostlogic: All it comes up with is a lil thing in the bottom right that says "Set |>" |
| 21:44:03 | Kyomi | I know I can do it |
| 21:44:07 | Kyomi | Because i got there before |
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| 21:44:19 | Gargamale | ep0ch: 5G iPod? |
| 21:44:43 | lostlogic | Kyomi: that's the best I can remember, also didn't use the iriver firmware for long. |
| 21:45:14 | ts-x | Kyomi: I just tried it, it works here with AB. Maybe your playlists are corrupted? |
| 21:45:31 | ep0ch | Gargamale: yes, iPod Video |
| 21:45:42 | amiconn | Kyomi: Did you build these playlists with rockbox? |
| 21:45:50 | Gargamale | ep0ch: Any word on the playback stuttering or crashing while you scroll bug? |
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| 21:46:29 | ep0ch | Gargamale: well i try not to scroll too much |
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| 21:47:31 | ep0ch | Gargamale: i think its something to do with the fact that the screen takes a long time to update and the scroll wheel eats cpu |
| 21:47:32 | Gargamale | But its a known bug |
| 21:47:38 | Gargamale | And peeps are workin on it, eh? |
| 21:48:39 | lostlogic | Gargamale: it is not explicitly a bug really... it's performance... |
| 21:48:56 | Gargamale | Well, I guess my point is you guys are aware this behavior is happening |
| 21:48:58 | Gargamale | ? |
| 21:49:05 | lostlogic | course. |
| 21:49:05 | Gargamale | And are working toward correcting it |
| 21:49:09 | Gargamale | Cool |
| 21:49:25 | Gargamale | Makin sure its not like one of those things only a few people experience |
| 21:49:26 | ep0ch | all aspects of the ipod are underperforming |
| 21:49:27 | preglow | correcting it is a huge job |
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| 21:49:37 | Gargamale | preglow: I figured as such |
| 21:49:37 | lostlogic | vaguely... by making the system perform better, it will get better... |
| 21:49:54 | Gargamale | So optimize that code, biotches |
| 21:50:01 | lostlogic | ::rolleyes:: |
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| 21:50:03 | Gargamale | I have no clue what Is peak of, pay me no mind |
| 21:50:09 | Gargamale | I speak, even |
| 21:50:30 | amiconn | Oh noes...that reminds me. I should go writing a mono bitmap/text performance test plugin |
| 21:50:50 | amiconn | Then someone would need to run that on the colour ipods |
| 21:50:56 | lostlogic | amiconn: that would probably help scrolling on the 16bit LCDs a fair bit eh? |
| 21:51:01 | Gargamale | How does one exit a rock w/o holding menu/play |
| 21:51:10 | amiconn | I'll do the same on H300 of course |
| 21:51:15 | lostlogic | Gargamale: depends on the plugin |
| 21:51:26 | Gargamale | JPG viewer |
| 21:51:30 | Gargamale | and TXT viewer |
| 21:51:52 | Gargamale | Everytime I view album art or an album review txt I have to reset |
| 21:52:00 | Gargamale | Cuz I cant figure out how to exit |
| 21:52:05 | Gargamale | 5G iPod, obviously |
| 21:52:15 | Ribs | Gargamale: middle button? |
| 21:52:23 | Ribs | or maybe menu |
| 21:52:25 | Gargamale | Does nothing |
| 21:52:29 | Gargamale | Tried every button |
| 21:52:36 | Ribs | Rockbox's controls are somewhat confusing at first |
| 21:52:38 | Ribs | hrm, that's off |
| 21:52:42 | Ribs | odd, rather |
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| 21:53:23 | lostlogic | Gargamale: select + play or select + menu short presses? |
| 21:53:37 | Gargamale | "Why is she Black Debbie" |
| 21:53:41 | Gargamale | Didnt try that lostlogic |
| 21:53:43 | Gargamale | Thanks |
| 21:53:43 | KlrSpz | i thought they were odd at once, but they are 2nd nature now |
| 21:53:48 | amiconn | Select+Menu is standard on ipod for leaving plugins |
| 21:53:56 | amiconn | Just Menu in some simple plugins |
| 21:54:39 | KlrSpz | now all i gotta do is set up cvs |
| 21:54:53 | Lear | That reminds me, Should fix jewels so that A-B brings up the menu rather than stop... :) (On H1x0 at least.) |
| 21:55:08 | amiconn | Yes, Stop should leave |
| 21:56:12 | mborus | preglow - I just realized something else. The satellite receiver has done something with the signal: It has changed the volume. So it might have removed other important info from the s/pdif data. |
| 21:56:15 | amiconn | Hmm, there was a jewels related commit yesterday... I should check the current behaviour |
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| 21:57:45 | preglow | mborus: if the iriver firmware understands it, so should we |
| 21:57:50 | Lear | Hm, looks like it added exit on A-B, if I read the defines right. :) |
| 21:59:03 | mborus | preglow - The other problem annoys me more. When I boot fresh and then start a recording with no digital signal present, the Iriver freezes. |
| 21:59:04 | Lear | Ah, must've been for ipods only... |
| 21:59:22 | amiconn | Lear: Any result from your logf build? |
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| 21:59:35 | mborus | It does not freeze after some successful digital recording. |
| 21:59:49 | Lear | Just finished, kind of - rockboy didn't build, as somebody mentioned... |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:01 | Lear | Finished building, that is. |
| 22:02:43 | preglow | mborus: i know, i don't how to detect a valid signal yet |
| 22:05:10 | Lear | lostlogic: immediate freeze, logf:s in reverse order: |
| 22:05:17 | Lear | NULL fade out chunk |
| 22:05:30 | Lear | crossfade_start |
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| 22:05:53 | Lear | tce: <path to file> |
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| 22:06:01 | Lear | New track loaded |
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| 22:06:16 | Lear | pcmbuf_crossfade_init |
| 22:06:23 | Lear | Let me know if you want more. :) |
| 22:06:25 | amiconn | preglow: How does the s/pdif analyser do it? It shows SYM: OK with a valid input signal as mentioned earlier by mborus |
| 22:10:10 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:10:11 | preglow | good point |
| 22:10:12 | Lear | lostlogic: same freeze without track skip even |
| 22:11:20 | amiconn | Hmm, I should visit a certain electronics shop tomorrow |
| 22:11:32 | amiconn | Toslink-3.5mm adapter |
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| 22:13:08 | preglow | amiconn: good idea |
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| 22:13:21 | amiconn | EUR 2.50 |
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| 22:13:29 | preglow | not too much, heh |
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| 22:15:02 | preglow | amiconn: mno, it seems to show sym when it's got a carrier |
| 22:15:08 | preglow | val: is blank when nothing is sent |
| 22:15:11 | preglow | now let me press play... |
| 22:15:26 | preglow | yep, then it popped on |
| 22:16:58 | preglow | amiconn: stopping audio or even disconnecting while it's recording does nothing |
| 22:16:59 | preglow | just silence |
| 22:17:10 | preglow | then i wonder why the hell i can't initiate playback with no source |
| 22:17:13 | RedBreva_ | W00T! All platforms, sims and manuals compiled.... thanks to all those who have kept me pointed in the right direction today... |
| 22:18:02 | preglow | amiconn: now i just recorded with no source plugged in... |
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| 22:18:14 | preglow | amiconn: this is what i like about this. it's impossible to find out what i'm doing wrong |
| 22:18:27 | preglow | i'll just go ahead and enable all the interrupts i can find... |
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| 22:20:16 | lostlogic | Lear: ah, did you put something to identify which of the NULLs that was? |
| 22:20:29 | Bou-divx | hi^^ |
| 22:20:34 | lostlogic | Lear: at least that's a step in the right direction, now if only I could tell _how_ it's getting null. |
| 22:22:02 | Lear | lostlogic: no, you didn't say anything about *that* :) |
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| 22:23:05 | Lear | link is obviously null |
| 22:23:09 | Lear | but I guess you realized that... :) |
| 22:23:21 | lostlogic | 14:35 < lostlogic> Lear: put those two lines at pcmbuf.c:463 and 491, logf it and see what you get in the logf (if possible, put a 1 and a 0 in the two logfs so we can tell which one goes null) |
| 22:23:23 | * | amiconn fires up vmware |
| 22:23:51 | Lear | oops. |
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| 22:24:05 | lostlogic | wait, it must be in the second one, because if you have a zero fade out delay the first shouldn't be happening. |
| 22:24:34 | lostlogic | or, no, I told you to use a 1 fade out delay, ugh. |
| 22:24:40 | Lear | lostlogic: Hm.. 8 hours off... |
| 22:25:31 | lostlogic | Lear: where do you hail from? |
| 22:25:50 | Lear | No, seven, it was an hour ago.. |
| 22:25:53 | Lear | Sweden |
| 22:27:03 | lostlogic | a swede, and you ditched devcon!? :-P |
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| 22:27:26 | preglow | he is weak and squishy! |
| 22:27:34 | Lear | yep... a bit sad in a way... |
| 22:27:48 | Lear | preglow: look who's complaining! ;) |
| 22:28:35 | preglow | who!? |
| 22:28:54 | lostlogic | ugh, more importantly, how the heck can one platform have a NULL link there and the other not??? insanity. |
| 22:29:12 | preglow | what're we talking about? |
| 22:29:30 | preglow | i'm guessing gcc lies at the bottom of this... |
| 22:29:46 | sharpe | i hate spiders.. |
| 22:30:09 | lostlogic | preglow: pcmbuf.c near line 489, how platform makes a difference... |
| 22:30:17 | Lear | lostlogic: second |
| 22:30:42 | pondlife | lostlogic: If you can remember a few weeks ago ;-), Did you ever find out why the pointer to last track data was NULL, or did you just remove the dependencies on it? |
| 22:30:46 | lostlogic | Lear: k, that's what I figured. |
| 22:31:08 | lostlogic | pondlife: don't remember context... sorry... |
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| 22:31:36 | lostlogic | is resume on startup still broken? |
| 22:31:46 | pondlife | There was a crash on H300 which was caused by an unexpected NULL ptr - sounds familiar.. |
| 22:32:17 | lostlogic | playback.c vs. pcmbuf.c |
| 22:32:50 | lostlogic | is resume on startup still broken, btw? |
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| 22:33:39 | sharpe | hmm... i've a slight idea, anyone know the minimum requirements for an install of windows 95/98, or even 3.1? linux would defeat the purpose of this, therefore it's not included in my idea... |
| 22:33:59 | lostlogic | pentium 100 or something for 95 |
| 22:34:32 | sharpe | hmm, that's probably out of the question then, however it may still work... |
| 22:35:00 | lostlogic | used to run 3.1 on a 486 dx 33 or similar |
| 22:35:12 | Toni1 | preglow, can you send me a sine mp3 which fails in my imdct patch please? |
| 22:35:15 | petur | sharpe: dos 3.2 was the most stable os they ever made :) |
| 22:35:21 | sharpe | :D |
| 22:35:36 | sharpe | i liked dos 7.1, or was it 7.2... |
| 22:35:41 | sharpe | one of the sevents. |
| 22:35:46 | sharpe | er, sevens. |
| 22:36:22 | preglow | Toni1: sure |
| 22:36:25 | preglow | Toni1: gimme a sec |
| 22:36:28 | sharpe | which however wasn't really released on it's own... |
| 22:36:35 | petur | sharpe: if you really want to run Win9x, use 98SE, the most stable of the pack |
| 22:36:57 | Toni1 | preglow, thanks, I will investigate then tomorrow. |
| 22:37:14 | sharpe | petur: i know, i've got it |
| 22:37:22 | preglow | Toni1: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/gaplessinus1.mp3 and http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/gaplessinus2.mp3 |
| 22:37:22 | petur | sharpe: better still, look at this: http://www.nexle.dk/daniel/win2000-32mb/ |
| 22:37:32 | preglow | Toni1: when i tried on ipod, it sounded disjointed and cut up |
| 22:37:45 | preglow | Toni1: btw, have you done anything with the default routines in imdct and synth_full? |
| 22:37:49 | sharpe | petur: heheh |
| 22:37:53 | preglow | Toni1: or did you just rearrange the old code? |
| 22:37:53 | Toni1 | preglow, so the asm part is ok? |
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| 22:38:13 | preglow | Toni1: the asm part is ok as far as i can see, but i haven't studied it to validate it's correct |
| 22:38:27 | Toni1 | preglow, yes, I reordered in the same way as done to the asm routine |
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| 22:38:44 | preglow | Toni1: ah, ok, so we might even have some speedup on arm as well, then |
| 22:39:03 | Toni1 | hope so:) |
| 22:39:09 | preglow | Toni1: oh, and yeah, please supply a working swap() for little endian as well |
| 22:39:16 | lostlogic | someone should definitely buy Toni an ipod, or a collection of OGGs :) |
| 22:39:26 | preglow | ipod! |
| 22:39:28 | romanos_melodos | hi guys! I got a small question. Does anyone knows how can i use both rockbox and ipodlinux on my nano? |
| 22:39:36 | Toni1 | preglow: ok, will do. |
| 22:40:09 | romanos_melodos | anyone? |
| 22:40:20 | preglow | Toni1: i think just defining swap(x) to be betoh32(x) should work fine |
| 22:40:52 | dwihno | Toni1's working on mad optimizations? |
| 22:40:55 | preglow | dwihno: indeed |
| 22:41:02 | lostlogic | romanos_melodos: ... install them both...? |
| 22:41:04 | preglow | and fine work it is |
| 22:41:27 | Toni1 | Forbidden |
| 22:41:27 | Toni1 | You don't have permission to access /~thomj/rockbox/gaplessinus1.mp3 on this server. |
| 22:41:31 | Toni1 | Forbidden |
| 22:41:31 | Toni1 | You don't have permission to access /~thomj/rockbox/gaplessinus1.mp3 on this server. |
| 22:41:31 | preglow | blarghh |
| 22:41:33 | preglow | Toni1: i'll fix now |
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| 22:41:39 | sharpe | but i just had a great idea, after having to install an older version of windows on a computer, and from the c64 emulator i'm working on... an x86 emulator for rockbox! heheh... |
| 22:41:42 | Toni1 | preglow: thanks |
| 22:41:56 | lostlogic | sharpe: you're insane. |
| 22:42:09 | sharpe | lostlogic: why do you say that? ;) |
| 22:42:11 | preglow | Toni1: try now |
| 22:42:12 | ep0ch_ | 320kbps mp3 + crossfeed = 0% boost :D |
| 22:42:20 | preglow | ep0ch_: holy smokes |
| 22:42:38 | * | preglow finds out he's great after all! |
| 22:42:44 | Toni1 | preglow, better now. |
| 22:42:47 | * | preglow kicks arm |
| 22:42:57 | Lear | ep0ch_: iriver or ipod? |
| 22:43:04 | ep0ch_ | ohh maybe 0.1% boost |
| 22:43:09 | ep0ch_ | iriver of course :) |
| 22:43:15 | romanos_melodos | anyone???? |
| 22:43:24 | preglow | romanos_melodos: you just install both of them |
| 22:43:26 | preglow | romanos_melodos: that's that |
| 22:43:34 | lostlogic | ... and I'd already said that :-\ |
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| 22:43:42 | romanos_melodos | how do i do that? |
| 22:43:54 | romanos_melodos | and which one first? |
| 22:44:09 | dwihno | preglow: you know how well Toni's opts affects ipod performance? |
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