| 00:00:02 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:00:09 | preglow | is it only on ipods that selecting a new track now works very seldom? |
| 00:00:38 | preglow | it shows the wps, then bombs out to the file selector |
| 00:01:37 | bluebrother | why does the manual use xspace? |
| 00:02:56 | preglow | bluebrother: god knows |
| 00:03:12 | preglow | it's weird, it only happens when i exit to the file selector and choose anew file, not when skipping from the wps |
| 00:03:13 | Bagder | /whois God |
| 00:03:17 | Bagder | God :No such nick/channel |
| 00:03:18 | sharpe | eh, more like 3700%, bottom was covered up a bit. |
| 00:03:44 | lostlogic | preglow: I think it's all swcodec, selecting a new file to play while audio is playing don't work none |
| 00:03:56 | preglow | shucks |
| 00:03:59 | bluebrother | ok, then I'll remove it. It may only cause additional spaces after punctuation marks, and we should use \frenchspacing if we actually want frenchspacing. |
| 00:04:25 | lostlogic | preglow: that's right next on my lits of shit to fix after this crossfade insanity |
| 00:04:40 | preglow | lostlogic: hooray for you! hooray for brandon! |
| 00:05:02 | amiconn | lostlogic: Ah, so it's this drop back to browser, not a hang? |
| 00:05:20 | bluebrother | I noticed this too. |
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| 00:05:28 | amiconn | I was able to reproduce this twice on H340, but it doesn't happen often |
| 00:05:35 | bluebrother | selecting a new song drops me back to the browser. |
| 00:06:02 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#iPod_nano_Tango |
| 00:06:05 | preglow | nice wps, actually |
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| 00:06:21 | | Part lmb |
| 00:06:23 | amiconn | It's more likely to completely confuse the playback enigine completely with repeated file selection than to get this drop back effect |
| 00:06:31 | amiconn | -1x compltely |
| 00:06:51 | * | amiconn can't type :/ |
| 00:07:59 | * | amiconn still doesn't see the advantage of graphical wps'es |
| 00:08:10 | preglow | the advantage is they look good |
| 00:08:13 | crashd | tbh |
| 00:08:19 | crashd | what preglow said O.o |
| 00:08:27 | crashd | on a target like h3x, ipod colour/5g |
| 00:08:29 | amiconn | All that I saw either waste space, have worse readability than a plain one, or both |
| 00:08:36 | crashd | you've got a massive, colour lcd |
| 00:08:43 | crashd | why _not_ use it for something a bit prettier |
| 00:08:49 | * | amiconn has a H300, among other targets |
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| 00:08:59 | crashd | this isnt a pissing competition |
| 00:09:01 | crashd | : > |
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| 00:09:18 | preglow | only thing i like about this one is that the text doesn't scroll |
| 00:09:22 | kkurbjun | XavierGr, there's a new midi patch if you are interested |
| 00:09:24 | preglow | but that's a rockbox limitation, i guess |
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| 00:09:46 | crashd | preglow: that tango wps is sweet |
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| 00:10:14 | amiconn | tss |
| 00:10:19 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Nudel_Green_5G |
| 00:10:21 | preglow | i want that for nano |
| 00:10:24 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: additions? |
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| 00:10:36 | crashd | preglow: wasn't nudel talking about porting it? |
| 00:10:54 | preglow | yeah, but then he started playing oblivion |
| 00:10:56 | preglow | heh |
| 00:10:58 | kkurbjun | XavierGr, It plays full speed for me at 11k on all my files |
| 00:11:08 | kkurbjun | with the max voices set to 100 as well |
| 00:11:25 | kkurbjun | some files can play at 22k with the max voices set to 22k |
| 00:11:30 | kkurbjun | oops, 24 |
| 00:11:41 | crashd | hehe, yeah oblivion is a bade move ;\ |
| 00:11:44 | crashd | -e |
| 00:11:48 | kkurbjun | 24 is the general midi specification minimum I believe |
| 00:12:25 | preglow | crashd: i need to physically restrain myself from oblivion |
| 00:12:28 | preglow | damn, that game looks sweet |
| 00:12:34 | crashd | heh, im doing my finals and dissertation atm |
| 00:12:36 | preglow | i should be paid for the heroic effort involved |
| 00:12:37 | crashd | so i cant even think about it |
| 00:12:47 | crashd | but just wait till i graduate |
| 00:13:05 | preglow | i could just walk around the forested parts of the game all day |
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| 00:13:19 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: Thanks I will check it. |
| 00:13:53 | goffa | lol @ sarcastic headline |
| 00:13:58 | goffa | European gas prices over $6.00/gal. Average European car doubles in value after fill-up |
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| 00:15:41 | bluebrother | is someone here able tex-ing the manual with latex (not pdflatex)? |
| 00:15:43 | * | preglow votes for margins patch now! |
| 00:16:36 | goffa | margins patch? |
| 00:16:42 | preglow | for neater wpses |
| 00:16:57 | amiconn | Hmm, I now quick-checked all colour wps'es in the rockbox + misticriver galleries |
| 00:17:08 | amiconn | I didn't find a single one that I would like to use... |
| 00:17:15 | preglow | i've found exactly one |
| 00:17:18 | preglow | namely the tango one |
| 00:17:21 | goffa | engineer2 for me :) |
| 00:17:25 | goffa | x5 |
| 00:17:32 | goffa | but that's not really color |
| 00:17:35 | amiconn | The tango one wastes space with the big note |
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| 00:17:48 | preglow | boo-hoo |
| 00:17:55 | preglow | it's pretty! |
| 00:18:01 | voltagex | yay stuck in linux cli... |
| 00:18:08 | goffa | yeah... pretty is MUCH better than functional |
| 00:18:10 | goffa | :P |
| 00:18:12 | bluebrother | really strange. latex always produces pdfs on the manual |
| 00:18:13 | preglow | heh |
| 00:18:17 | amiconn | ...and light grey on white doesn't help readability |
| 00:18:17 | * | bluebrother is puzzled |
| 00:18:18 | goffa | look at mac |
| 00:18:29 | preglow | amiconn: it's not exactly light grey |
| 00:18:38 | voltagex | goffa: LOL I was about to say that |
| 00:18:41 | goffa | how abot yellow on white... |
| 00:18:44 | preglow | at least i haven't got the slightest problem with reading it |
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| 00:19:04 | voltagex | e.g. linux cli = fugly, but functional. |
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| 00:19:14 | goffa | voltagex: i have to agree |
| 00:19:28 | goffa | ssh is bad ass |
| 00:19:38 | amiconn | preglow: It's rather light |
| 00:19:44 | voltagex | goffa: rm -rf / |
| 00:19:55 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, it's light-ish |
| 00:19:59 | goffa | ah... the linux admin install guide |
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| 00:20:11 | voltagex | goffa: I basically did that today because the linux install was borked, badly |
| 00:20:20 | goffa | ouch.. what happened? |
| 00:20:39 | voltagex | goffa: no idea, but I hadn't touched the install for weeks |
| 00:20:40 | preglow | still, by far the nicest i've seen for nanos |
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| 00:20:52 | preglow | i don't really require much information in my wps |
| 00:20:57 | preglow | some title info and the song length |
| 00:20:59 | preglow | that's that |
| 00:21:04 | voltagex | 6 minutes before I have X... |
| 00:25:54 | midkay | amiconn? |
| 00:26:02 | * | amiconn prefers text-only with progressbar + peakmeter + standard status bar |
| 00:26:21 | petur | why the peakmeter? |
| 00:26:36 | lostlogic | sigh, I wish peakmeter didn't cause gapping on ipod. |
| 00:26:38 | goffa | i kind of like next track |
| 00:26:42 | petur | I see no use for it unless recording |
| 00:26:47 | qwm | isn't that right, amiconn |
| 00:26:48 | amiconn | Mainly to give a bit of separation |
| 00:26:51 | qwm | that's what you thought. |
| 00:26:57 | midkay | amiconn, you said in your keyboard update that the cursor would be shown while you moved around the filename. it's not.. |
| 00:27:15 | amiconn | My in-car wps'es are text-only, without any bars, and with a big font |
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| 00:27:36 | preglow | i don't care about peak meter at all |
| 00:27:49 | preglow | i'd rather make some separation with a big note symbol |
| 00:27:49 | goffa | me either |
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| 00:27:58 | goffa | lol.. i wouldn't go that far though |
| 00:28:31 | amiconn | The big note symbol takes much more space than the peakmeter... and it disallows scrolling with current rockbox |
| 00:28:42 | petur | we should also provide a vertical peakmeter, once we have margins :) |
| 00:28:58 | amiconn | I rather want a way to see the whole title |
| 00:29:17 | petur | text wrapping? |
| 00:29:17 | amiconn | I also cannot understand why so many wps'es center the text |
| 00:29:22 | preglow | i'd settle for being able to scroll and keep the note... |
| 00:29:47 | crashd | amiconn: maybe it's a matter of choice? |
| 00:29:52 | crashd | isnt that what rockbox is about, after all : > |
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| 00:30:33 | amiconn | centered text is harder to read |
| 00:31:28 | amiconn | imho |
| 00:31:49 | midkay | amiconn? |
| 00:31:51 | amiconn | Yes, that's what rockbox is about |
| 00:32:01 | amiconn | midkay: what? |
| 00:32:26 | midkay | [five minutes ago] <midkay> amiconn, you said in your keyboard update that the cursor would be shown while you moved around the filename. it's not.. |
| 00:32:42 | midkay | did i misunderstand your commit comment? |
| 00:32:45 | amiconn | Huh? It is shown perfectly here |
| 00:32:58 | midkay | i mean it blinks when you move it.. |
| 00:33:19 | amiconn | No, exactly the opposite |
| 00:33:24 | midkay | iiuc, your comment says that it should always be shown (not blink) whilst you move it? |
| 00:34:11 | amiconn | A blinking cursor can be irritating when moving through the text, because it will be in the 'hidden' phase from time to time, so you wouldn't know how far you already moved it |
| 00:34:35 | amiconn | With my commit, the cursor always starts with its 'visible' phase after a keypress |
| 00:34:48 | midkay | amiconn, exactly. which is why i'm asking what's up. for me it continues blinking even after keypresses. |
| 00:35:09 | amiconn | Yes of course |
| 00:35:26 | amiconn | It should cointinue bliking if you let go the keys |
| 00:35:29 | midkay | i mean during keypresses. |
| 00:35:34 | amiconn | Hmm? |
| 00:35:41 | amiconn | I just re-checked to make sure |
| 00:36:07 | amiconn | It behaves like described on H300, mini 2g, and ondio fm |
| 00:37:02 | midkay | ipod 5G here. selecting the input line, cursor is blinking, tapping and holding left/right both result in moving the cursor and nothing else. it continues to blink. |
| 00:37:30 | amiconn | Of course it continues to blink *after* pressing left/right |
| 00:37:38 | midkay | i mean during the press. |
| 00:37:55 | midkay | <amiconn> With my commit, the cursor always starts with its 'visible' phase after a keypres |
| 00:38:06 | midkay | i see you using 'after' here in the same way i am.. |
| 00:38:19 | amiconn | But while pressing left/right in quick succession (or holding left/right) it stays visible |
| 00:38:43 | midkay | i understand that's how it should work, but it's not working that way for me. |
| 00:38:53 | amiconn | I also checked on recorder |
| 00:39:04 | midkay | let me re-check out and try again.. |
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| 00:40:44 | preglow | midkay: yo, the pitch screen ipod wheel handling is a bit awkward |
| 00:40:51 | preglow | midkay: very hard to actually fine-tune the value |
| 00:41:40 | midkay | preglow, i'm open to suggestions.. yes, it's quite touchy.. hm.. maybe you can thank lostlogic, perhaps, for his keeping-finger-on-the-wheel-triggers-button-repeat thing ;) |
| 00:41:47 | preglow | heh, yeah |
| 00:41:52 | preglow | i'm a bit ambivalent to that thing |
| 00:41:57 | preglow | sometimes it's great, sometimes it isn't |
| 00:42:11 | midkay | exactly, same here. |
| 00:42:27 | midkay | nice in lists.. i do *not* like it changing some settings, though. |
| 00:42:40 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:42:42 | preglow | no |
| 00:42:49 | preglow | i also like it in the jpeg viewer |
| 00:42:56 | preglow | makes it easier to not overshoot changing zoom level |
| 00:43:18 | midkay | preglow, well, i don't use the jpg viewer a lot :) i can't remember all the things i do and do not like it for, but i think the lists are about even. |
| 00:43:21 | preglow | but yeah, for some settings it's not as good |
| 00:43:23 | midkay | no good examples come to mind, just little things., |
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| 00:43:42 | amiconn | Well, in most places I like the wheel behaviour. But I still find the wheel a bit irritating in general |
| 00:44:08 | amiconn | Sometimes I put my thumb on it, move it - and nothing happens |
| 00:44:11 | goffa | so ... did anyone fix mpc playback, or am i going to have to go back to friday or sat? |
| 00:44:12 | midkay | anyways, i think this is the only way to do it adequately.. you can change the value quickly, and you can fine-tune it if you need, but not too easily, and you get your +/- 2% thing. |
| 00:44:31 | amiconn | Have the same problem with touchpads from time to time |
| 00:45:03 | midkay | clearly the touchwheel hates you ;) |
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| 00:51:06 | romanos_melodos | hi |
| 00:53:11 | petur | hmmm... if you try to save fmradio presets and don't give an extension, a hard freeze follows... |
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| 00:55:11 | romanos_melodos | does anyone know if i can use both rockbox and ipodlinux? |
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| 00:56:43 | sharpe | romanos_melodos: sure you can... |
| 00:57:25 | XavierGr | petur: you should give a filename :P |
| 00:57:46 | XavierGr | I must see where this bug is, but not know I must sleep. |
| 00:57:53 | XavierGr | know = now |
| 00:58:09 | sharpe | eh, i think i'll work on a savestate system for c64box right now |
| 00:58:25 | sharpe | as i can't find any other formats |
| 00:59:17 | petur | freezes with or without dircache |
| 00:59:55 | sharpe | what should i do, a single savestate kind of thing, where you don't have to choose to save, or a multiple savestate one? |
| 00:59:56 | XavierGr | petur: probably the save handling cause makes some strange things when it tries to force the setting file. |
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| 01:00:14 | XavierGr | petur: does this occur in both a custom fmr folder or/and the default folder? |
| 01:00:21 | petur | am bughunting now |
| 01:00:40 | petur | I fixed the max length thing and now this |
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| 01:00:58 | romanos_melodos | has anyone managed to install both rockbox and ipodlinux on his ipod? does it runs smoothly? |
| 01:02:10 | romanos_melodos | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 01:02:18 | romanos_melodos | is this were i have to look at? |
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| 01:04:08 | petur | wow... settings.c set_file() goes hunting for the extension dot and will look in the whole memoryspace if it needs to :/ |
| 01:05:37 | XavierGr | I just copied that part of the code, from the rest integrated formats |
| 01:05:52 | XavierGr | so will this hang any format saving? (wps, cfg) |
| 01:06:09 | sharpe | i have an urge to just write the structs to the file... but... :( |
| 01:06:16 | petur | talking to me? |
| 01:06:30 | XavierGr | petur:yes |
| 01:06:40 | sharpe | i'm talking to myself! :D |
| 01:06:51 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 01:07:18 | petur | it can only happen if the user must enter a filename that also gets stored in settings - so Fm radio only afaik |
| 01:07:56 | sharpe | should i store a checksum in the saved-state? |
| 01:08:29 | petur | you'll add it sooner or later :) |
| 01:08:41 | sharpe | true |
| 01:08:43 | XavierGr | petur I just saved an fmr file to root without the '.fmr' and it didn't crashed for me. |
| 01:09:09 | sharpe | should it be like, a single byte checksum? seems like that'd probably be enough to check for errors... |
| 01:09:10 | petur | let me try |
| 01:09:27 | XavierGr | yup it crashes on the default folder |
| 01:09:39 | XavierGr | because this is the only file that set_file is called |
| 01:10:09 | petur | yups |
| 01:10:13 | XavierGr | sorry I meant the only dir |
| 01:10:21 | petur | saving the file elsewhere doesn't store the name |
| 01:10:29 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 01:10:57 | XavierGr | the same bug doesn't happen for .cfg files |
| 01:11:24 | petur | those aren't written to settings |
| 01:12:07 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 01:12:24 | XavierGr | hopefully this is not my bug :) |
| 01:12:28 | XavierGr | But I am not sure |
| 01:13:06 | XavierGr | I must sleep, I think I got a fever |
| 01:13:10 | XavierGr | Night all! |
| 01:14:14 | sharpe | g'night. |
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| 01:15:15 | petur | right, the extension is needed it seems |
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| 01:26:17 | sharpe | hmm... what type of checksum should i do? er, size of checksum... |
| 01:27:53 | preglow | night |
| 01:28:20 | midkay | night preggers ;) |
| 01:29:17 | petur | there's one in RB already I think, copy that one? |
| 01:29:38 | sharpe | it's really just one to make sure everything's like, there... |
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| 01:30:37 | sharpe | an xor byte checksum seems like it'd be okay... |
| 01:31:58 | sharpe | i was just wondering if anyone had any objections to it. |
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| 01:48:25 | romanos_melodos | hi! Does anyone knows how can i install ipodlinux on my ipod nano? I'm already using rockbox |
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| 01:49:14 | lostlogic | romanos_melodos: you might try the ipod linux channel, or reading their wiki... or reading some forum posts by people who have done it rather then repeating yourself over and over... |
| 01:49:27 | midkay | romanos_melodos, linux.bin goes in the root, and you need the ext3 partition. hold play on boot and it will boot linux.bin. the rest is up to you. |
| 01:51:02 | romanos_melodos | midkay, have u managed get it working? |
| 01:51:11 | midkay | romanos_melodos, indeed i have. |
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| 01:51:30 | romanos_melodos | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 01:51:39 | lostlogic | found my crossfade bug! |
| 01:51:43 | romanos_melodos | is this link any helpful? |
| 01:51:45 | romanos_melodos | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
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| 01:52:30 | midkay | romanos_melodos, well, it was no more helpful the second time of those two pastes, nor the first of the two in comparison to the very first.. |
| 01:52:55 | midkay | romanos_melodos, i told you, the rockbox bootloader has a keymapping for it: PLAY will boot linux.bin in the root of your iPod. the rest is up to you. |
| 01:53:23 | romanos_melodos | i'm sorry , i'm quite confused |
| 01:53:41 | midkay | about what? |
| 01:54:26 | romanos_melodos | so, can i just download the windows ipodlinux installer without making any partitions and the installer will do everything for me? |
| 01:54:49 | midkay | hm, that depends on the installer. |
| 01:55:15 | midkay | i told you how the rockbox bootloader will get linux going for you. if you want to ask about installing iPL itself, this is not the place to ask... |
| 01:56:08 | romanos_melodos | i just don't want to mess everything |
| 01:56:18 | romanos_melodos | what have u done on yours? |
| 01:56:29 | romanos_melodos | can u send me a link or something? |
| 01:57:44 | lostlogic | any coldfire users still haunting want to test a patch? |
| 01:57:47 | midkay | installed linux.bin in my root, set up the ext3 partition and unzipped pz2 and modules there. i use the rockbox bootloader. it wasn't too easy, and IMO not really worth it. if it sounds like it might be tricky, use the installer or don't use ipodlinux. |
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| 02:00:45 | romanos_melodos | what if i delete rockbox and use the ipodlinux installer to install ipodlinux and then reinstall rockbox? |
| 02:02:20 | romanos_melodos | the only thing that frustrates me is how the hell i'm going to manage the partitions.. |
| 02:02:37 | midkay | if you mean reinstall the bootloader, that may work. i'm not quite familiar with what the iPL installers do, there seems to be a large number of them, all third-party.. |
| 02:03:04 | petur | if you're uncomfortable with it all, stay out of it or have somebody else do it for you |
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| 02:03:27 | romanos_melodos | nah |
| 02:03:33 | romanos_melodos | i'm going for it |
| 02:03:47 | petur | then go ask the IPL people how to... |
| 02:04:02 | romanos_melodos | screw the ipl people |
| 02:04:05 | midkay | romanos_melodos, the installation will probably not be a breeze. the installers will probably help, but i doubt it will work exactly as you hope. |
| 02:04:21 | romanos_melodos | well.. |
| 02:04:23 | midkay | romanos_melodos, well, screw them, but you won't get much help here. :) |
| 02:04:33 | midkay | so unscrew them, or figure it out.. |
| 02:04:46 | romanos_melodos | i'll give it a shot guys and i'll let u know |
| 02:04:52 | midkay | Bagder? |
| 02:04:59 | romanos_melodos | btw , is it worth it? |
| 02:05:06 | petur | hahahahaha |
| 02:05:10 | romanos_melodos | i mean installing ipl |
| 02:05:27 | romanos_melodos | :P |
| 02:05:56 | petur | never been near it as this is #rockbox and I have an iriver 340 |
| 02:06:29 | petur | that's why this isn't *the* place for ipl questions :P |
| 02:06:49 | petur | amiconn ? |
| 02:07:15 | amiconn | yes? |
| 02:07:34 | midkay | romanos_melodos, it wasn't worth it for me, no, not much at all. |
| 02:07:35 | petur | is it bad when building for recorder that it says 'removing UCL file again, making it a fake one' |
| 02:07:50 | petur | I mean, did I cause it? |
| 02:07:58 | amiconn | It should tell you why it does this |
| 02:08:09 | midkay | installed it probably two months ago. no audio playback, slowish UI.. looked rather nice, but nothing more. |
| 02:08:21 | petur | output is 2972 bytes larger than max |
| 02:08:35 | amiconn | for recorder v1??? |
| 02:08:40 | petur | fm |
| 02:08:44 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 02:08:56 | petur | I didn't add that much... |
| 02:09:04 | amiconn | We are now above the limit for rombox :( |
| 02:09:11 | amiconn | No it wasn't you |
| 02:09:16 | petur | phew |
| 02:09:31 | amiconn | Has been like that for at least 2 weeks |
| 02:09:39 | petur | going to commit the fm preset fix... |
| 02:09:44 | amiconn | The code is in urgent need of cleanup... |
| 02:10:14 | amiconn | fm/v2 are currently above limit, and v1 isn't that far away anymore... :( |
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| 02:13:25 | midkay | amiconn, btw, re checked-out and the blinking cursor was fixed. weird, since i didn't modify keyboard.c, there was no reason it wouldn't be updated with cvs up. |
| 02:14:04 | Mikachu | maybe you've used -D on it? |
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| 02:16:32 | midkay | -dP.. |
| 02:17:23 | Mikachu | does cvs status on it say anything special? |
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| 02:19:47 | midkay | up-to-date.. |
| 02:19:55 | sharpe | hmm... i'm tempted to just write the needed structs/arrays to the saved state file, and have a byte to be set whether it's in little or big-endian format... sound good? |
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| 02:24:07 | lostlogic | if I subtract one short * from another short *, is the result the distance between them in shorts, or in bytes? Shorts, right? |
| 02:24:27 | petur | bytes |
| 02:24:38 | petur | no? |
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| 02:24:50 | petur | oh wait |
| 02:24:52 | Shonky | lostlogic: shorts |
| 02:25:04 | lostlogic | hehe, thanks :) |
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| 02:25:18 | petur | sorry, have been doing the same here with char* :/ |
| 02:25:23 | lostlogic | crossfade_sample = |
| 02:25:24 | lostlogic | (size_t)(output_buf - (short *)(crossfade_chunk->addr)); |
| 02:25:25 | sharpe | well, if you're wrong, then you probably know what the answer is :D |
| 02:25:31 | lostlogic | so that makes sense if smaples are shorts, right? :) |
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| 02:26:12 | Shonky | assuming output_buf is a short * |
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| 02:26:44 | Shonky | I don't know the code at all of course |
| 02:27:46 | lostlogic | hehe, it is a short * :) |
| 02:27:55 | petur | lostlogic: sorry for the confusion, I'm off to bed anyway :) (2:27 here already) |
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| 02:29:47 | sharpe | before i add something to test for big or little endianness, is there a define anywhere in the source specifying it for the processor? |
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| 02:33:41 | hardeep | lostlogic: maybe I'm misreading but I think the result will be sizeof (short *) which I'm guessing is 4 bytes ? |
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| 02:37:09 | amiconn | sharpe: autoconf.h (included with config.h, so practically always) defines ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN or ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN, respectively |
| 02:37:39 | amiconn | Hardcoded for targets, detected by configure for sims |
| 02:38:34 | sharpe | okay |
| 02:39:30 | lostlogic | hardeep: so short *x; short *y; size_t samples = y-x; <−− that code gives the distance between x and y in memory in what units? |
| 02:39:59 | hardeep | whatever the size of pointers is |
| 02:40:18 | hardeep | size_t should be fine |
| 02:40:32 | lostlogic | shouldn't it be the size of the things the pointers point to? |
| 02:40:54 | lostlogic | I want the unit of samples to be sizeof(short)s |
| 02:41:05 | hardeep | no, 'cause you're doing arithmetic on the pointers |
| 02:41:12 | lostlogic | that's retarded if that's the case. |
| 02:41:25 | lostlogic | because y++ would increase y by sizeof(short) |
| 02:41:44 | hardeep | hmmm, that's true |
| 02:42:09 | hardeep | heh, need to test now |
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| 02:42:39 | amiconn | Hmm, sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6 -Os generated binaries seem to only have the one quirk I already knew, and a workaround exists |
| 02:43:04 | amiconn | Let's see where gcc 3.4.6 goofs... |
| 02:43:08 | lostlogic | in the meantime, design question: What is crossfade mix mode supposed to do? Mix the tracks unfaded, or fade in track 2 with an unfaded track1? |
| 02:44:29 | Mikachu | -Os on Tremor made the performance much worse for me (ipod nano) |
| 02:44:51 | amiconn | That's not swcodec... |
| 02:45:03 | hardeep | lostlogic: i'm wrong, looks like it does account for the sizeof pointer |
| 02:45:28 | amiconn | lostlogic: When in dounbt, I usually check the assembly |
| 02:45:35 | amiconn | *doubt |
| 02:46:20 | lostlogic | amiconn: indeed. |
| 02:46:44 | lostlogic | hardeep: phew, now I can join amiconn loving pointer math :) |
| 02:47:43 | hardeep | and i've got a new interview question =) |
| 02:48:22 | lostlogic | hardeep: too bad I work at a Java shop :( |
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| 02:51:34 | ad543a | nite! |
| 02:52:37 | ad543a | language spoken? |
| 02:53:09 | ad543a | not a nice welcome..... |
| 02:53:29 | ad543a | x a girl |
| 02:55:40 | amiconn | Hrmpf. An sh-elf-gcc 3.4.6 -Os binary gives I09:CPUAdrEr at DEADBEEF :( |
| 02:55:53 | sharpe | well, that's kind of funny |
| 02:56:24 | amiconn | Why the heck does the code try to use DEADBEEF as an (unaligned) memory address? |
| 02:56:40 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 02:56:46 | sharpe | really bad chance? |
| 02:56:53 | amiconn | This is the stack fill value... |
| 02:57:06 | amiconn | Now someone please give me a backtrace... |
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| 02:58:35 | amiconn | gcc seems to take some shortcuts it shouldn't... |
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| 03:00:21 | sharpe | woah. it's nine o'clock for me. |
| 03:01:00 | sharpe | just kind of unexpected... |
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| 03:33:37 | lostlogic | the manual has crossfade mix mode backwards from the way the feature is programmed. |
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| 04:06:18 | lostlogic | Opinion solicited: Is it worse to lose some performance by fading samples in place and then memcpying them to the audio buffer during fade-in (without mixing), or have more complex and more duplication in code? |
| 04:10:26 | Hotfusion | whats your take on good inexpensive headphones that's better than iaudio's |
| 04:10:42 | lostlogic | define inexpensive, and do you want in-ear, earbud, or over ear? |
| 04:12:51 | dj-fu | usb or stereo? |
| 04:12:54 | Hotfusion | well I dn't like things in my ear |
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| 04:13:04 | Hotfusion | it's for teh x5l just looking at better phones |
| 04:13:25 | Hotfusion | whether it hangs from my ear or goes over is fine |
| 04:14:00 | Hotfusion | I heard the default ones arent too good |
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| 04:14:05 | Hotfusion | and hurt their ears |
| 04:14:11 | dpassen | Koss KSC-35s/75s are pretty much the standard for quality, cheap headphones. They're clipons. |
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| 04:15:00 | lostlogic | I have something like these: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=MDRXD300&Dept=audio&CategoryName=pa_PADepartmentAccessories_Headphones_CDSeries%2fStudioMonitor |
| 04:15:22 | lostlogic | and I liek them, but they look dorky... very comfortable and long cord, good for at home... |
| 04:15:31 | RoC_MM | sony=[thumbs down] |
| 04:15:40 | RoC_MM | but they are probably nice headphones |
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| 04:15:43 | lostlogic | heh |
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| 04:18:02 | Hotfusion | how do you like the bass on the KSC-75 |
| 04:18:10 | Hotfusion | $19.99 isn't bad for those |
| 04:18:28 | dpassen | I have 35s (same or extremely similar drivers) |
| 04:18:37 | dpassen | Bass is powerful, but not overpowering to me |
| 04:18:45 | dpassen | I'd consider them more 'fun' than 'accurate' |
| 04:22:30 | Hotfusion | office depot has koss but im not usre on the model |
| 04:23:11 | * | lostlogic sits back and enjoys his shure E3 in-ear monitors :-P |
| 04:24:14 | Galois | anything other than www.ultimateears.com is lame |
| 04:24:43 | dpassen | IEMs are an acquired taste. |
| 04:24:53 | Hotfusion | newegg doesn't have KOSS. |
| 04:24:57 | Hotfusion | AHH what a travesty |
| 04:25:01 | Hotfusion | >.< |
| 04:25:38 | Hotfusion | kinda funny newegg still calles the Cowon X5L an Jetaudio. Guess they havn't gotten the memo on the brand |
| 04:25:55 | dpassen | Microphonics annoy me, and I'm mainly a portable listener. Its not the best idea walking around campus when you can't hear. |
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| 04:28:30 | Hotfusion | oh yeah Ultimate Earsฎ UE-10 Pro |
| 04:28:36 | Hotfusion | if I only had $900 |
| 04:28:37 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 04:28:46 | lostlogic | Galois: ... why do you prefer UE to Shure? |
| 04:29:04 | Galois | well, I would lend you mine, so you can hear for yourself, ... except, our ears are probably shaped differently |
| 04:29:07 | lostlogic | any coldfire users? |
| 04:29:34 | lostlogic | Galois: you've used shure's comparably priced IEMs and prefer UE? |
| 04:29:48 | Galois | shure doesn't have any $900 headphones |
| 04:30:05 | lostlogic | then have you compared to their top of the line? |
| 04:30:22 | Galois | actually, no |
| 04:30:50 | lostlogic | personally, I'm probably going to get a pair of shure e500s when they come out, and then get custom ear moulds made. |
| 04:31:10 | Galois | I compared some shures, but their higher end headphones did not exist back when I bought mine |
| 04:31:34 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 04:31:45 | * | zelfric <- ksc35,portapro,ATH-EW9,SR-60,RS-2,HD-580,CD3000 |
| 04:31:59 | lostlogic | hehe :) |
| 04:32:34 | lostlogic | Galois: I wonder what people who have used both would say... you're probably right that you pay for what you get and the UEs are the best. |
| 04:33:46 | * | dpassen1 <- KSC35, Sennheiser PX100, Shure e2c, Audio Technica ATH-EC7 |
| 04:36:40 | lostlogic | are there seriously no coldfire users out ther? |
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| 04:48:23 | Hotfusion | seenheiser look good for headphones under $50 |
| 04:48:34 | Hotfusion | the PX100 |
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| 04:56:11 | Hotfusion | would the ATH-EM7GM be better than the Senn's PX-100 |
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| 04:59:21 | Jungti1234 | hello |
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| 05:14:01 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 05:14:16 | Jungti1234 | What language of the country is 'Huvudfunktioner'? |
| 05:14:49 | gursikh | What language of the country? I don't understand that question. |
| 05:15:11 | Hotfusion | it's a trick question |
| 05:15:38 | Jungti1234 | Language of what country |
| 05:16:16 | gursikh | sweden |
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| 05:16:41 | Jungti1234 | Do you know Swedish? |
| 05:16:46 | gursikh | No |
| 05:16:50 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 05:17:10 | zelfric | huvud,haubudam,haupt,head... |
| 05:17:21 | Jungti1234 | anyone know Swedish? |
| 05:17:34 | gursikh | but i know Search Engine, that word appears mostly on Swedish webpages.. So I can infer Sweden..... |
| 05:17:37 | zelfric | alla svenskar suger fett..!! :-) |
| 05:17:57 | Jungti1234 | infer... |
| 05:19:13 | zelfric | ...no |
| 05:19:26 | gursikh | hey zelfric, what is fett? |
| 05:20:35 | zelfric | hmm, should be fat or greasy or sumthing like that... |
| 05:21:09 | gursikh | riiight.. |
| 05:24:00 | zelfric | hur ไr lไget pojken? |
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| 05:25:25 | gursikh | zelfric: what situation? |
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| 05:26:31 | Jungti1234 | haha |
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| 05:28:21 | zelfric | just checking what condition your condition was in... ,) |
| 05:28:50 | gursikh | right: Online translator not helping too much :-P |
| 05:28:58 | * | zelfric slaps gursikh around a bit with a small surstr๖mming |
| 05:29:14 | gursikh | I have a bad headache already, no need for that. |
| 05:30:13 | zelfric | large glass of hot alcohol helps wonders agains headache, works every time... :*) |
| 05:31:26 | gursikh | and actually, i've seen surstr๖mming before. However I do not imbibe in alcohol at all, so couldn't try it (same goes for your last comment) |
| 05:33:02 | gursikh | you eat it with that thin bready stuff right? |
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| 05:33:21 | zelfric | surstr๖mming is usually smelled before it is seen... ;) |
| 05:33:32 | gursikh | HAhaha, true |
| 05:34:06 | gursikh | i dont know how you just eat rotten fish like that. |
| 05:34:52 | midgey34 | lostlogic: I'm sure you'll love me for this, but I still get lockups on cvs uped build |
| 05:35:07 | zelfric | it's the grown-up form of sushi ... ;) |
| 05:35:35 | gursikh | if by grown-up you mean grown-old and left to fester |
| 05:36:07 | zelfric | herring needs to ripe, just like wine and cheese... ,) |
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| 05:36:58 | gursikh | I work at a major airline, and I only remember all this stuff because of it. Many airlines have banned it due to it's exploziveness (I still remember laughing out loud at THAT memo) |
| 05:38:02 | biffhero | I see this in the since25.html page a lot. What is coldfire? |
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| 05:38:39 | gursikh | I love how a can of fish is in the same category as a shoe bomb. |
| 05:39:27 | zelfric | putting it in a can takes away a large part of the fun... ,) |
| 05:40:19 | biffhero | so if you unpack your sardines, carry them on in a baggie, and then open them midflight, that's ok? |
| 05:40:41 | gursikh | yeah, but sardines are fine as it is |
| 05:40:45 | lostlogic | midgey34: that, sir, is impossible. |
| 05:41:07 | lostlogic | I removed the clear bug that could cause it! |
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| 05:41:22 | zelfric | traditionally, surstr๖mming would be carried in an elk scrotum bag or something like that... ,) |
| 05:41:29 | biffhero | ick |
| 05:41:34 | gursikh | they banned the swedish fish because they said that it would explode under pressure (and probably smell more foul than you can imagine) |
| 05:42:00 | lostlogic | biffhero: coldfire is the type of chip in iRiver H3x0, H1x0, and iAudio x5 players |
| 05:42:08 | biffhero | thx |
| 05:42:19 | gursikh | elk scrotum bag... you know it's got to be good if it's carried around in the scrotum of a large mammal :-) |
| 05:42:41 | biffhero | did I read on CVS that we were in the midst of a feature freeze? woo hoo! |
| 05:42:51 | zelfric | can only add to the aroma.... |
| 05:43:08 | Mikachu | biffhero: it's hardly noticable ;) |
| 05:43:24 | Jungti1234 | anyone don't know Swedish? |
| 05:43:36 | Mikachu | i think there are plenty of people that dotn |
| 05:43:37 | Mikachu | don't |
| 05:43:40 | gursikh | I can't wait to see the state of the May3-4 builds though. |
| 05:43:41 | biffhero | Mikachu: I thought the feature freeze was for a release. not that that will stop me from using cvs. |
| 05:43:52 | midgey34 | lostlogic: if its any consolation, mixing works beautifully |
| 05:43:57 | Mikachu | cvs is what will become the release |
| 05:44:02 | biffhero | Jungti1234: I hardly understand english (my native tongue), certainly don't understand swedish. |
| 05:44:19 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: are you looking for someone who does understand swedish? |
| 05:44:28 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 05:44:29 | lostlogic | midgey34: no, not really, but thanks :-P Seriously, I fixed the bug. I found it, and I fixed it. It can't still be broken. I tested it on ipod, and ipod and coldfire use the same code. |
| 05:45:13 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: i do |
| 05:45:20 | lostlogic | midgey34: do you have an LCD remote that works in rockbox for your device? Want to do some more debugging? |
| 05:45:36 | midgey34 | no I don't have a remote, sorry |
| 05:45:47 | gursikh | lostlogic: I have h120+Lcd remote |
| 05:45:53 | midgey34 | I've been meaning to pick one up |
| 05:45:58 | lostlogic | gursikh: can you build rockbox? |
| 05:46:01 | gursikh | yes |
| 05:46:13 | lostlogic | gursikh: I'll post a debugging patch in a moment. |
| 05:46:24 | gursikh | Ok |
| 05:46:57 | jnc | the iPod bootloader is very good |
| 05:47:27 | jnc | i was able to follow instructions given on rockbox docs, and install rockbox on my little sister's video iPod hardware |
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| 05:47:46 | midgey34 | lostlogic: the h300-sim still crashes here |
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| 05:47:54 | biffhero | is there an lcd remote for the 5G ipod? |
| 05:48:07 | jnc | she would have never used rockbox firmware if it did not initially also allow her to use the original firmware. that was real important for adoption of using rockbox |
| 05:48:09 | lostlogic | midgey34: then you can try the debug too :) |
| 05:48:32 | biffhero | jnc: agree. that's a great aid in adoption |
| 05:49:24 | lostlogic | midgey34: gursikh: http://www.lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/log_null_fade_chunk.patch <−− apply, build logf, make crossfade crash, let me know what logfs you see. |
| 05:50:43 | gursikh | ok,let me get a fresh cvs and go to my car to get my DAP |
| 05:50:55 | jnc | what do y'all think of video iPod hardware? consider marks of audio quality, and using rockbox, as compared to other possible hardware |
| 05:51:14 | biffhero | jnc: love mine |
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| 05:59:33 | midgey34 | lostlogic: last time the sim crashed before I could see what the remote said |
| 05:59:47 | midgey34 | this time while running it, pcm keeps restarting |
| 05:59:59 | lostlogic | joy. |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:10 | midgey34 | oh! I saw something just before it closed |
| 06:00:29 | midgey34 | "NULL chunk in delay" |
| 06:00:52 | lostlogic | that's jus tdarling, HOW THE FUCK DID IT GET NULL? |
| 06:00:54 | * | lostlogic kicks coldfire. |
| 06:01:07 | lostlogic | and appologies for the yelling and swearing. |
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| 06:02:11 | lostlogic | any chance you saw a message about "extra" and a number? |
| 06:03:18 | midgey34 | hmm, I've gotten it to successfully change tracks twice... |
| 06:03:32 | midgey34 | but all other times resulted in freeze |
| 06:04:15 | lostlogic | *does a coldfire buidl and reads the assembly* |
| 06:05:00 | midgey34 | hmm, now its working fine and I can't get it to crash |
| 06:05:06 | lostlogic | rofllol |
| 06:05:12 | gursikh | not crashing on me either |
| 06:05:27 | gursikh | should i use some certain settings? |
| 06:05:38 | lostlogic | midgey34: remember that change I ahd you make the other day with the PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK? try that today, on target. |
| 06:08:58 | lostlogic | gursikh: reliable crashing was had, I believe with crossfade=always/0/5/1/5/crossfade |
| 06:11:28 | midgey34 | just managed to get the sim to crash again but I got no data |
| 06:13:13 | lostlogic | pcmbuf.c:354:s/PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK/24576/ <−− see if dat'll fix it on target or on sim, in case you either forgot, or missed my last request |
| 06:13:32 | * | lostlogic has officially crossed from frustrated to angry at this bug :-P |
| 06:13:59 | scorche | step on it |
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| 06:14:31 | lostlogic | scorche: I thought I did... but it must have had some kind of protective shell, because the damn thign is back |
| 06:14:40 | midgey34 | currently testing that other patch |
| 06:15:27 | lostlogic | midgey34: which who, teh one you tested on the sim? That was just debug, no changes to functionality. |
| 06:15:54 | midgey34 | no, the PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK one |
| 06:16:15 | midgey34 | and I've gotten lockups twice |
| 06:16:58 | lostlogic | is that better or worse than without the patch? |
| 06:17:16 | gursikh | ok player just keeps crashing with no message |
| 06:17:22 | midgey34 | hard to tell, it just freezes and requires a reset |
| 06:17:39 | lostlogic | gursikh: you have a logf build on the player and nothing is displaying logf-wise on the remote? |
| 06:17:55 | gursikh | npe, it crashes, and display on remote goes blank |
| 06:17:59 | lostlogic | midgey34: nod. wtf. |
| 06:18:06 | lostlogic | gursikh: crap. thanks any way. |
| 06:18:19 | lostlogic | I need sleep. I'll crush this bug again tomorrow :O( |
| 06:18:21 | lostlogic | :( |
| 06:18:25 | midgey34 | that's the third crash (I changed crossfade to always |
| 06:18:30 | midgey34 | I need sleep as well |
| 06:18:39 | lostlogic | g'night then |
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| 06:18:45 | midgey34 | school in 6 hours woo |
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| 06:19:45 | gursikh | np |
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| 06:53:28 | scott666 | anyone around? |
| 06:53:39 | Jungti1234 | I'm here |
| 06:53:47 | scott666 | whats up |
| 06:54:03 | scott666 | i havnt been here in forever |
| 06:54:25 | scott666 | i just got rockbox installed on my new ipod |
| 06:57:34 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu? |
| 06:57:41 | Mikachu | yes? |
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| 06:58:03 | Jungti1234 | Why don't you translate to me? |
| 06:58:22 | Mikachu | because you haven't asked me to translate anything |
| 06:58:59 | Jungti1234 | http://forum.iriver.se/viewtopic.php?t=9077 |
| 06:59:20 | Mikachu | i told you that was a bit too much |
| 06:59:26 | Mikachu | and i bet you can find that info in english too |
| 06:59:30 | Hotfusion | im thinking about getting audio technica ATH-EM7GM or sennheiser PX-100. Something around $50. Both look good. |
| 06:59:32 | Hotfusion | hmm |
| 06:59:42 | scott666 | whats wrong with babelfish? |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: I haven't tried the AHE-EM7GM, but I have a pair of PX100s I'm *incredibly* fond of. |
| 07:00:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | ATH, not AHE |
| 07:00:42 | Hotfusion | it seems Audio Tech. has a good reputation from the stuff they come out with |
| 07:00:50 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu: So, can't you do it? |
| 07:00:59 | Mikachu | it's a bit too much |
| 07:01:00 | Mikachu | sorry |
| 07:01:10 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 07:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: Yeah, but as anyone should tell you, "Don't apply a company's reputation to their products." Everyone has a black sheep or two in their product lineup, so go and see if you can find a review of those phones in particular before making your decision |
| 07:02:37 | Hotfusion | yeah I've bene doing that hte past hour heh |
| 07:02:48 | Hotfusion | to bad I can't preview them somewhere |
| 07:04:21 | Jungti1234 | anyone does understand Swedish? |
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| 07:11:49 | kapheine | Jungti1234: http://www.systransoft.com/index.html |
| 07:12:01 | kapheine | That will give you an 100% correct translation |
| 07:12:34 | Mikachu | er, not so much no |
| 07:12:46 | kapheine | I wish my iPod had vansinnigt maffigt sounds. |
| 07:12:58 | kapheine | Mikachu: You caught me in my web of lies :( |
| 07:15:51 | Jungti1234 | kapheine: I know there. |
| 07:16:11 | Jungti1234 | But, it's mistaken. |
| 07:16:22 | kapheine | How so? |
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| 07:17:18 | scott666 | hey linus |
| 07:17:47 | Jungti1234 | 30 Day FREE Trial Offer |
| 07:17:58 | Jungti1234 | You may use our world-class software FREE with a 30 day trial. |
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| 07:23:52 | Hotfusion | that made me laugh |
| 07:24:01 | Hotfusion | since when is software "world-class" |
| 07:24:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you have users on 3+ continents, I suppose. |
| 07:24:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Willing users, rather than "It's the only choice" like Windows. |
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| 07:42:51 | zigford | Hello, any rockbox devs listening? |
| 07:43:14 | goffa_ | doubtful, what's up? |
| 07:43:27 | B4gder | we have devs? |
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| 07:43:39 | goffa_ | i'll be damned.. there's one |
| 07:43:47 | B4gder | I heard nobody makes anything cool on the X5 ;-) |
| 07:44:08 | zigford | I'm just interested in playing with the rockbox source code. I've got the env setup thus far. |
| 07:44:15 | goffa_ | they put rockbox on there |
| 07:45:51 | zigford | Got an iPod 4g (grey screen) and want to help out. |
| 07:45:55 | LinusN | B4gder: :-) |
| 07:46:12 | B4gder | zigford: you're more than welcome! |
| 07:46:26 | goffa_ | end of the month is near.. feature freeze should end soon :) |
| 07:46:38 | Mikachu | it won't actually end until it's stable |
| 07:46:42 | * | B4gder suspects an extension |
| 07:46:47 | * | LinusN too |
| 07:47:04 | goffa_ | yeah.. that could be a while |
| 07:47:16 | goffa_ | sounds like june :) |
| 07:47:30 | LinusN | sounds like a bag of shit ;-) |
| 07:47:34 | B4gder | juneday! |
| 07:47:58 | goffa_ | you talking about aac playback LinusN? |
| 07:47:58 | * | B4gder played all Rockbox games yday |
| 07:48:16 | zigford | Unfortunately I've no "C" experience. I'm a keen hacker but have never been down to the programming level. I'm hoping this project might be a good place to start. |
| 07:48:28 | * | B4gder was stuck behind an evil proxy and nothing better to do |
| 07:48:31 | LinusN | goffa_: nah, just repeating a famous quote |
| 07:49:09 | B4gder | zigford: I'd advice you to start out writing/fixing plugins, as that's kind of the simplest place to start your Rockbox hacking adventures |
| 07:49:30 | Bg3r | goffa_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
| 07:50:21 | goffa_ | i like the 2nd quote better :) |
| 07:50:51 | goffa_ | i'd almost consider an ipod now |
| 07:50:58 | goffa_ | whereas before .. never in a million years |
| 07:51:01 | B4gder | unfortunately I can't find the "they're only making rubbish" mail from the past |
| 07:51:22 | zigford | B4gder: Thanks, I will start looking there first. Are bugs (for plugins) posted to the same location? |
| 07:51:23 | B4gder | one of the find quotes from ancient history |
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| 07:51:33 | B4gder | zigford: yeps |
| 07:51:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | There were probably some rather nice quotes in the slashdot comments. |
| 07:52:01 | B4gder | yeah, like "why would they do this when ipod's UI is perfect?" |
| 07:52:03 | goffa_ | that was a battle royale of "itunes is awesome" or "itunes sucks" |
| 07:52:47 | goffa_ | and... "you are only talking about a music store" battle |
| 07:52:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | zigford: There's also a thread in the forums talking about the most popular feature requests Once you get a little better with C you might take an interest in those, as many aren't a *huge* effort. A few even have associated patches that probably just need to be worked on to make them compile (as they're out of date) and then find out what's keeping them from being included. |
| 07:53:10 | RotAtoR | B4gder: it this the rubbish quote?: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0586.shtml |
| 07:53:13 | goffa_ | alarm clock seems to be the most requested piece of fluff |
| 07:53:27 | B4gder | ah! yes it is |
| 07:53:37 | B4gder | great! |
| 07:53:43 | RotAtoR | hehe, good old google "rubbish site:www.rockbox.org inurl:mail" |
| 07:54:06 | goffa_ | nice email |
| 07:54:10 | scott666 | hasnt there been an alarm feature for years? or is that only on the archos's |
| 07:54:10 | RotAtoR | i think we also need the linusn quote about wma that was on misticriver |
| 07:54:25 | goffa_ | i dunno |
| 07:54:32 | goffa_ | but that forum seemed to show the need :) |
| 07:54:39 | goffa_ | or want i should say |
| 07:54:44 | goffa_ | because i sure don't need it |
| 07:54:47 | zigford | BTW: Ever since I got my iPod I had been wishing it would play ogg vorbis. Thanks for all the work that has been done so far. Its great. |
| 07:55:07 | goffa_ | i want crazy things like configurable buttons and flawless playback :) |
| 07:55:32 | ashridah | goffa_: all things can be had with time. |
| 07:55:39 | ashridah | (and money :) ) |
| 07:55:40 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 07:55:50 | goffa_ | well not all |
| 07:55:53 | B4gder | there, I added the rubbish quote to that page now |
| 07:56:00 | RotAtoR | :) |
| 07:56:04 | B4gder | it still makes me laugh |
| 07:56:09 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 07:57:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | scott666: Only on Archos. Nobody's got the feature enabled on H300 or iPods (if it can be, I understand it depends on the RTC hardware and such) |
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| 07:58:07 | goffa_ | i didn't buy an alarm clock and i dont want to play doom :) |
| 07:58:49 | goffa_ | i could have a lot of fun with the asprin/gameboy thing |
| 07:59:19 | * | ashridah notes that someone actually DID implement a gameboy, eventually :) |
| 07:59:29 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 07:59:35 | goffa_ | and smaller and larger fontns |
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| 08:00:47 | LinusN | and more rubbish |
| 08:00:55 | B4gder | how we love rubbish! |
| 08:01:04 | Mikachu | wasn't he complaining that someone had in fact written rockboy? |
| 08:01:04 | LinusN | more rubbish to the x5! |
| 08:01:13 | LinusN | Mikachu: check the date |
| 08:01:25 | goffa_ | 02 |
| 08:01:34 | Mikachu | i have no idea when you wrote rockboy |
| 08:01:41 | B4gder | years afterwards |
| 08:01:54 | Mikachu | right, he was just complaining about the games in general then |
| 08:02:00 | B4gder | Rockbox was rather basic in '02 |
| 08:02:24 | goffa_ | and that triggered the thought, "hey why not?" |
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| 08:02:29 | goffa_ | <- just guessing :) |
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| 08:10:13 | amiconn | mmood gorning :) |
| 08:10:29 | goffa_ | guess it is |
| 08:10:47 | goffa_ | i should really get to bed |
| 08:10:56 | goffa_ | have to be at work at 7 |
| 08:11:21 | goffa_ | 12:12 now |
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| 08:13:43 | webguest97 | hi |
| 08:13:46 | webguest97 | I've got a problem |
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| 08:13:58 | webguest97 | how do I get back to my list of music once I've played a song? |
| 08:14:10 | scott666 | press menu? |
| 08:14:10 | Jungti1234 | me too! |
| 08:14:14 | webguest97 | the main music list, in terms of directory looking |
| 08:14:18 | webguest97 | nope, doesn't work |
| 08:14:22 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 08:14:28 | webguest97 | it just goes back to the directory listing, but not the top |
| 08:14:32 | Jungti1234 | NAVI |
| 08:14:35 | webguest97 | I have two directies |
| 08:14:36 | scott666 | what player do you have? |
| 08:14:42 | webguest97 | ipod |
| 08:14:44 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 08:14:44 | webguest97 | video |
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| 08:15:19 | scott666 | the top of what? |
| 08:15:20 | webguest31 | POS this irc cgi this is |
| 08:15:33 | webguest31 | well, I have two directories; Blondie and Coldplay |
| 08:15:40 | webguest31 | I go into Blondie, to play a tune |
| 08:15:48 | webguest31 | but I can't back to the top level so I can access Coldplay |
| 08:16:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest31: Hit Select to get back to the music browser. |
| 08:16:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest31: Then just use Left and Right to browse like normal. |
| 08:17:06 | Jungti1234 | hey, I found some problem. |
| 08:17:25 | Jungti1234 | I have screenshot. |
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| 08:17:38 | webguest31 | aye? |
| 08:17:57 | webguest31 | good lord |
| 08:17:59 | webguest31 | please |
| 08:18:05 | webguest31 | it isn't working |
| 08:18:16 | webguest31 | I play a tune, now I want to get back to where my directories are lsited |
| 08:18:29 | webguest31 | I can only get back to the music held in the blondie directory |
| 08:18:47 | webguest31 | I want to get back to the top where blondie and coldplay are listed |
| 08:19:02 | webguest31 | I shouldn't need to reboot the bloody thing everytime I want to get back to the root of the file system |
| 08:19:34 | * | B4gder just looks at webguest31 |
| 08:19:43 | webguest31 | oh, and the forward/back thing isn't working either |
| 08:20:27 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 08:20:28 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060425-001448.PNG |
| 08:21:24 | webguest31 | can any one help me? |
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| 08:22:37 | scott666 | press left? |
| 08:22:38 | | Join webguest74 [0] (n=de9911ec@labb.contactor.se) |
| 08:22:47 | webguest74 | oh, who is the owner of this irc channel? |
| 08:22:59 | B4gder | why? |
| 08:23:03 | goffa_ | freenode :) |
| 08:23:13 | webguest74 | because I can't access this room via freenode.net |
| 08:23:20 | webguest74 | it keeps saying that I'm banned from this room |
| 08:23:31 | LinusN | i guess there is a reason then |
| 08:23:40 | webguest74 | explain |
| 08:23:44 | webguest74 | being this my first time |
| 08:23:52 | webguest74 | having never used that nickname in this room before |
| 08:24:07 | webguest74 | the fact that if I change my nickname, it doesn't change the situation |
| 08:24:16 | LinusN | the banning is not based on the nick |
| 08:24:16 | B4gder | webguest74: then your host mask simply matches one of those we've previously had to bad |
| 08:24:18 | B4gder | ban |
| 08:24:33 | B4gder | but we should be able to remove most of them |
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| 08:26:59 | kaiwai | hi :) |
| 08:27:09 | kaiwai | thank you for that :) |
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| 08:27:18 | kaiwai | I can finally avoid the web thing like the plague |
| 08:28:20 | kaiwai | well, anyway, back to the problem; I have two directories listed at the top, blondie and Coldplay, I enter one, see all my music listed, then go and play a song. The problem is when I try to get back to my directory listing, I can't :( |
| 08:28:43 | kaiwai | the problem is made worse that just trying to get back to the music files in blondie is a saga and a half |
| 08:28:44 | amiconn | lostlogic: The freeze with crossfade on coldfire is still reproducable with your latest fix :-( With a logf build as per your yesterday's instructions: 'NULL fade out chunk' in the second place in pcmbuf.c |
| 08:28:54 | scott666 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_control_Rockbox_on_the_iP |
| 08:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: What happens when you press Left when you're in one of the folders? |
| 08:31:15 | kaiwai | rebooting ipod (again) |
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| 08:32:09 | kaiwai | hmm |
| 08:32:13 | kaiwai | thats the problem |
| 08:32:20 | kaiwai | the f*cking thing won't go back if the song is paused |
| 08:32:29 | kaiwai | someone needs to fix that bug |
| 08:33:05 | B4gder | you mean it works when it plays but not when paused? |
| 08:33:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: Define "back" |
| 08:33:14 | kaiwai | nope, it works when stopped |
| 08:33:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: I can still browse just fine with my music paused. |
| 08:33:25 | kaiwai | well, mine can't |
| 08:33:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: What *happens* when you press "Left" in the file tree then? |
| 08:33:36 | kaiwai | I can only get back to my listed songs in the blondie directory |
| 08:33:51 | kaiwai | ok, I'll play something, pause it |
| 08:34:14 | B4gder | you don't need to pause it, you can go back to the file browser while the music is playing |
| 08:34:25 | kaiwai | adoesn't even work |
| 08:34:32 | B4gder | what? |
| 08:34:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: Okay, tell me exactly what buttons you're pressing, and what happens when you do |
| 08:34:41 | kaiwai | played the song, menu, goes back to this settings menu |
| 08:34:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: We said to press "select" not "menu" |
| 08:34:53 | kaiwai | reboot iPod (AGAIN!) |
| 08:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you keep rebooting? |
| 08:35:06 | B4gder | you don't read what we write, do you? |
| 08:35:12 | kaiwai | yes I do |
| 08:35:14 | B4gder | you just blurb on |
| 08:35:20 | kaiwai | listen to me: I have two directories |
| 08:35:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | You haven't actually answered a question that's been asked of you |
| 08:35:26 | kaiwai | one is called Blondie |
| 08:35:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you have said that you're pressing the wrong button |
| 08:35:30 | kaiwai | the other is Coldplay |
| 08:35:36 | B4gder | then answer Paul's questions |
| 08:36:18 | kaiwai | yes, if I don't play a song, I can go back between the root and blondie directory |
| 08:36:24 | kaiwai | using the left buttom |
| 08:36:26 | kaiwai | *button |
| 08:36:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: I didn't ask that. |
| 08:36:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: I asked what happens when you're in the filetree while music is paused or playing, and you press left. |
| 08:37:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: But then, since you can't get to the filetree by way of the "Menu" key, I'm sorta curious why you're pressing that. |
| 08:37:16 | kaiwai | music is playing |
| 08:37:23 | kaiwai | I press the paus button |
| 08:37:36 | kaiwai | I press the menu key |
| 08:37:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 08:37:40 | LinusN | no |
| 08:37:40 | B4gder | aaaaa |
| 08:37:42 | * | B4gder faints |
| 08:37:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | The menu key takes you to the MENU |
| 08:37:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | You press the *select* key from the While Playing Screen. |
| 08:38:05 | midkay | B4gder, i made a new icon for the windows installer on the download page.. |
| 08:38:23 | kaiwai | the middle button |
| 08:38:25 | kaiwai | nothing happens |
| 08:38:29 | B4gder | midkay: woo! |
| 08:38:38 | midkay | B4gder, i came across it and *had* to do something :) |
| 08:38:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: At the while playing screen? (the one that shows what's playing right now)? |
| 08:38:58 | kaiwai | yeap |
| 08:39:11 | kaiwai | the song is playing right now |
| 08:39:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: Okay, pause it, then hit the middle button. |
| 08:39:35 | amiconn | Bagder: Now someone needs to actually fix the installer builds... |
| 08:39:51 | midkay | B4gder, http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8919/install6yl.png |
| 08:39:52 | kaiwai | pause icon appears |
| 08:40:03 | kaiwai | middle button pressed, nothing happens |
| 08:40:04 | scott666 | hey zakk |
| 08:40:10 | B4gder | amiconn: well, we "need" to have them iriver adjusted too |
| 08:40:11 | midkay | scotty :) |
| 08:40:17 | scott666 | im back with an ipod |
| 08:40:21 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:40:23 | kaiwai | finally appears |
| 08:40:29 | midkay | scott666, same :) |
| 08:40:43 | kaiwai | something isn't kosher with that code |
| 08:40:49 | Jungti1234 | hello? http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060425-001448.PNG |
| 08:40:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: It works fine for everyone else. Maybe your button is just a bit gummy. |
| 08:41:05 | kaiwai | no, its the speed of it |
| 08:41:05 | Jungti1234 | It's bug. |
| 08:41:12 | kaiwai | it takes a while |
| 08:41:14 | B4gder | and without dir cache you need to wait for disk spinup |
| 08:41:15 | kaiwai | a little too 'while' |
| 08:41:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: It happens instantly for me, and most other people. As I said, maybe your button's a bit worn. |
| 08:41:25 | kaiwai | how do you dircache it? |
| 08:41:55 | kaiwai | how does a worn button result in a slow change? |
| 08:41:59 | kaiwai | it either works or doesn't |
| 08:42:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: Ah yes, disk spin up. Forgot about that. As for Dircache, that and many other topics like "Basic Controls" are covered in the manual |
| 08:42:04 | LinusN | Jungti1234: nice bug :-) |
| 08:42:09 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 08:42:10 | kaiwai | hmm |
| 08:42:12 | kaiwai | oh well, |
| 08:42:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: Well, you *were* saying that the button wasn't doing anything at all for a while. |
| 08:42:18 | kaiwai | atleast I can play my oggs |
| 08:42:31 | kaiwai | Pau* because the speed was so crap-tacular |
| 08:42:33 | B4gder | midkay: fixed, thanks! |
| 08:42:58 | kaiwai | anyway, all done |
| 08:42:59 | midkay | B4gder, cool :) no problem.. |
| 08:43:01 | LinusN | kaiwai: "anything at all" to me also means "never" |
| 08:43:01 | kaiwai | off for dinner |
| 08:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | kaiwai: Anyway, if you use dircache the contents of the filetree will cache in ram and load much more quickly |
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| 08:43:12 | * | midkay hunts for more :) |
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| 08:47:36 | amiconn | crap. |
| 08:48:03 | amiconn | Just found that settings aren't saved before rolo |
| 08:48:06 | B4gder | midkay: if you can think of something "nice" to use instead of the little rockbox logo for the source packages on the daily/bleeding tables it would be cool. something more in the same shape like the others |
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| 08:48:28 | midkay | B4gder, i did notice that and was/am thinking about it :) |
| 08:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPod Mini pictures still have one *glaring* flaw |
| 08:49:03 | midkay | B4gder, that reminds me.. any plans on changing the "open source jukebox firmware" on the main site and logo? it's for far more than the archoses by now... might be a little misleading is all. |
| 08:49:05 | scorche | the blue? |
| 08:49:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Rockbox logo is grayscale... One a _blue_ background, yes. :) |
| 08:49:12 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, the more-than-4-shades? |
| 08:49:15 | midkay | oh. haha. |
| 08:49:21 | scorche | =) |
| 08:49:24 | midkay | the logo is not the same anyways.. |
| 08:49:37 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: hehe, true |
| 08:49:52 | B4gder | the mini pics are indeed bad mockups |
| 08:49:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, but you can pretend about the logo. It'd be pretty impressive if we managed to get blue out of the LCD. |
| 08:50:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, or i could whip up a correct one as far as background and logo :) |
| 08:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe, or that. :-P |
| 08:50:37 | * | amiconn gently points towards his mini 2g scan on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 08:50:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright folks, we need at *least* 5 builds without any errors or warnings. |
| 08:51:05 | amiconn | Imho it even looks better - silver instead of green... |
| 08:51:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh, that is a nice one. |
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| 08:51:23 | B4gder | but the screen is very dark |
| 08:51:30 | midkay | amiconn, nice! i can size that down and fix up the LCD a bit if you don't mind.. |
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| 08:51:45 | amiconn | The LCD is already fixed up |
| 08:51:58 | amiconn | This is a scan |
| 08:52:08 | amiconn | (like the archos ones) |
| 08:52:27 | midkay | amiconn, i mean lighten it a little.. |
| 08:52:57 | linuxstb | The screen is no different to all the other greyscale targets... I say keep it as it is. |
| 08:53:00 | amiconn | It's already lightened a lot, even though I had the backlight enabled during the scan |
| 08:53:07 | B4gder | hehe |
| 08:53:11 | midkay | hm, if you wish :) |
| 08:53:19 | amiconn | The silver is so bright that the lcd was almost black |
| 08:53:46 | midkay | hm, looks rather nice lighter.. i could size it down and provide a standard and lighter version.. |
| 08:54:42 | B4gder | I put amiconn's version there now until we see midkay's attempt |
| 08:55:17 | midkay | cool.. few mins should be all. |
| 08:55:26 | midkay | damn, mouse batteries just died.. |
| 08:55:31 | B4gder | haha |
| 08:55:36 | Hotfusion | I use lithiums |
| 08:55:43 | Hotfusion | last long time :) |
| 08:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | My mouse is wired. |
| 08:55:50 | B4gder | the beaty of cordless mice |
| 08:55:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It lasts as long as my computer. |
| 08:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 08:56:18 | scorche | anyone who has a cordless mouse, and doesnt use rechargable batteries is an idiot |
| 08:56:26 | B4gder | I went back to wired mouse too, I couldn't be annoyed with cordless |
| 08:56:34 | Hotfusion | until you drop it, or the optical goes out, pull the cord/yank from the computer |
| 08:56:39 | midkay | B4gder, exactly.. it goes out only at opportune moments.. once when i was right in the middle of an intense multiplayer FPS game a while back.. now when i'm about to get into some groovy photoshopping.. :( |
| 08:56:41 | Hotfusion | :) |
| 08:56:51 | midkay | *damn*... *searches for replacements* |
| 08:56:52 | scorche | i find that a cord is more annoying |
| 08:56:57 | amiconn | I'll replace the H300 image with a scan in a few minutes |
| 08:57:11 | B4gder | nice |
| 08:57:13 | amiconn | This scan required heavy adjustment of the lcd |
| 08:57:30 | amiconn | ...even though it was scanned with maximum backlight brightness |
| 08:57:50 | scorche | midkay: and having a battery charger by your feet with replacements at the ready is nice too ;) |
| 08:58:14 | midkay | scorche, i bet it *would* be if i had such a setup. :) |
| 08:58:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: Optical can go out on *any* mouse though. As well as dropping it. So the only real concern is pulling out the cord, which is fine if you're decent with cable management. |
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| 08:58:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has nothing against wireless. |
| 08:58:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just not for me |
| 08:59:05 | scorche | i just cant stand bluetooth wireless |
| 08:59:12 | scorche | for keyboards |
| 08:59:17 | Hotfusion | well paul |
| 08:59:20 | Hotfusion | that's not always true |
| 08:59:21 | scorche | too insecure.....it bugs me |
| 08:59:27 | Hotfusion | cables to ten to get tangled by themselves |
| 08:59:28 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 08:59:31 | Hotfusion | tend* |
| 08:59:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cables don't move on their own. |
| 08:59:55 | Hotfusion | sure they dont |
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| 09:00:04 | B4gder | I think my do |
| 09:00:19 | B4gder | just never when I look at them |
| 09:00:27 | scorche | i havent had a wired mouse/keyboard since 2000 (excluding servers) |
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| 09:00:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: Yes, but we've been experimenting on yours. |
| 09:00:37 | B4gder | I KNEW IT! |
| 09:00:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just... y'know... Don't fall asleep too near them |
| 09:01:26 | midkay | k, i didn't want to make it too bright.. this looks like a nice lhttp://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1195/ipodminit7wf.jpgightness to me. what do you guys think? |
| 09:01:27 | scorche | or have flammable liquids/gases near them |
| 09:01:28 | midkay | oops. |
| 09:01:29 | midkay | http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1195/ipodminit7wf.jpg |
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| 09:02:47 | B4gder | yes, it looks a bit better |
| 09:03:01 | midkay | i think a few others could use work, too. |
| 09:03:24 | midkay | most of the color LCD ones look rather fabricated. |
| 09:03:38 | B4gder | I think they all are |
| 09:03:38 | amiconn | There. |
| 09:04:00 | amiconn | H300 doesn't look fabricated anymore |
| 09:04:18 | midkay | it doesn't? |
| 09:04:21 | midkay | :S |
| 09:04:56 | midkay | what color is h100's backlight? |
| 09:04:59 | midkay | green or bluish-white? |
| 09:05:34 | amiconn | blue-violet-ish |
| 09:05:38 | amiconn | Rather dark |
| 09:06:04 | amiconn | midkay: Check the devicechart... |
| 09:06:27 | B4gder | I updated the daily/cvs table h300 image too |
| 09:06:33 | amiconn | And reload, since firefox seems to really like cached files |
| 09:06:49 | midkay | amiconn, ah, i did reload, looks .. well, better in a way, but the greenish LCD sticks out a bit. |
| 09:06:56 | amiconn | That scan was sitting on my hd for a while... |
| 09:08:05 | midkay | just an idea: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7383/h100t8ct.jpg |
| 09:08:09 | amiconn | midkay: Well, it's very close to the actuall impression |
| 09:08:48 | amiconn | Is that meant to be backlighted? |
| 09:08:54 | midkay | amiconn, the others probably need readjustment.. |
| 09:08:59 | midkay | amiconn, yes, i guess :) |
| 09:09:53 | amiconn | The backlight colour is considerably off |
| 09:10:08 | midkay | quite possibly, not familiar with it. |
| 09:10:11 | amiconn | Maybe photos would be better than scans? |
| 09:11:08 | amiconn | Scans have the advantange of the high resolution and the front being distortion free, but the brightness relations are way off for parts like the lcd |
| 09:13:53 | midkay | amiconn, so.. modified scans? :) |
| 09:13:55 | amiconn | I need to find something usable as a neutral grey background, then I'll take photos of all my units, and we can compare |
| 09:14:07 | amiconn | midkay: The scans are already modified |
| 09:14:41 | amiconn | For instance, the H300 lcd needed massive brightness and gamma correction, and also moire reduction |
| 09:14:47 | midkay | ah.. |
| 09:15:11 | amiconn | Photos will probably give a more natural impression |
| 09:16:10 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:16:20 | B4gder | but its often rather hard to make a good close-up photo |
| 09:17:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for an icon that small it doesn't necessarily have to be close-up. |
| 09:17:07 | B4gder | true |
| 09:17:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just in good focus, and without flash-glare |
| 09:17:52 | amiconn | You need a uniform background, proper lighting, and must not go too close, but rather use longer focal lengths |
| 09:18:26 | amiconn | Never use flash for that |
| 09:18:50 | midkay | hm. can't quite reproduce the stamp effect i got on the devcon logo. |
| 09:19:17 | petur | I could probably take a good pic of my h340, don't have any other target |
| 09:19:49 | midkay | nevertheless! delicious forums logo. http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/206/rockbox350for1eh.gif |
| 09:19:57 | amiconn | I can provide 7 target pics, but my recorder pic won't show the true original look due to the white backlight mod |
| 09:24:06 | scorche | amiconn: how does that work out for ya?.....i have the stock leds, but have been considering going something like pure white |
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| 09:24:35 | B4gder | the white LEDs on Archos are actually awesome |
| 09:25:52 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight1.jpg">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight1.jpg http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight2.jpg http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight3.jpg |
| 09:26:06 | amiconn | (and no, that's not what I call proper lighting and background |
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| 09:27:11 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 09:27:19 | scorche | are those blue or white? ;) |
| 09:27:20 | Hotfusion | looks like a space ship with two solid rocket boosters |
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| 09:28:18 | scorche | you have the 2.0 version =( |
| 09:29:09 | amiconn | scorche: Yeps, with an 80GB HD ;-P |
| 09:29:23 | scorche | both of mine are 1.1 |
| 09:29:24 | scorche | =( |
| 09:29:33 | scorche | but i beat you on size ^_^ |
| 09:29:44 | scorche | well, capacity |
| 09:29:55 | amiconn | You're the one with the 160GB disk, right? |
| 09:30:02 | scorche | indeed |
| 09:30:48 | midkay | @ anyone potentially interested in the forums logo - did a bit more work. http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4166/rockbox350for21ts.gif |
| 09:30:56 | midkay | and that is it for tonight. :) night all. |
| 09:32:27 | scorche | amiconn: is it just the camera, or does it really look that blue? |
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| 09:33:14 | amiconn | It's the camera |
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| 09:33:29 | petur | white balance? |
| 09:33:38 | amiconn | Most white leds look a little bluish, but the photos exaggerate it |
| 09:33:45 | scorche | i know that |
| 09:33:55 | petur | photoshop! |
| 09:34:02 | scorche | i was just curious cause that looks _really_ blue |
| 09:34:11 | amiconn | I'll rather take better photos |
| 09:34:20 | amiconn | These were taken with my old 2MP cam |
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| 11:42:14 | petur | aha - think I found why I can't connect to vmware: it's using 192.168.x.x addresses which also exist on the network |
| 11:43:12 | petur | or not :( |
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| 11:45:44 | Zagor | The Helix player is now available as proper GPL |
| 11:45:53 | B4gder | wow |
| 11:46:01 | petur | strange thing is, if I enter these addresses in explorer, I see (only) the windows shares |
| 11:46:21 | ashridah | Zagor: what about the codecs? |
| 11:46:42 | Zagor | ashridah: as far as I understand it, the complete Helix Player is available under GPL |
| 11:46:42 | petur | helix, is that from the guys who brought us RA crap? |
| 11:46:48 | ashridah | or is it GPL+exceptionforourcodecs ? |
| 11:46:55 | Zagor | "NOTE- This license is only available for the Helix DNA Client and Helix Player, not the Helix DNA Server or Helix DNA Producer." |
| 11:47:27 | ashridah | Zagor: was more interested in the codecs than the distribution styff |
| 11:47:30 | ashridah | stuff even |
| 11:48:16 | Zagor | ashridah: bah, you guessed right. the codecs still appear to be restricted. |
| 11:48:23 | Zagor | ok, no news then. :-( |
| 11:48:29 | B4gder | how crappy |
| 11:48:45 | B4gder | so much for "new easier license" |
| 11:49:02 | Zagor | "you can now distribute half of this code much easier" |
| 11:49:21 | Zagor | "How does a developer acquire distribution rights to the Real codecs? Agree to one of the two; Real Format Client Code Commercial Use or the RCSL Commercial Use license. RealNetworks will execute the commercial use license agreement and fax it back to you." |
| 11:49:25 | Zagor | ewww, no thanks |
| 11:49:36 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 11:50:22 | B4gder | IPL uses the helix codecs, don't they? |
| 11:50:32 | linuxstb | B4gder: Yes. |
| 11:50:52 | petur | how do you discover your own ip address in linux? |
| 11:51:25 | B4gder | petur: ifconfig |
| 11:51:47 | B4gder | /sbin/ifconfig if it isn't in your path |
| 11:52:00 | petur | ah right, had command not found |
| 11:52:55 | petur | can't ping the linux inside vmware either :( |
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| 11:53:41 | linuxstb | Zagor: That's just the Real codecs AFAIK. The helix AAC/MP3 codecs are available under the RPSL: https://helixcommunity.org/content/rpsl |
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| 12:02:05 | amiconn | Does anyone really understand the footnote here: https://helixcommunity.org/content/complicense ? |
| 12:03:35 | B4gder | it is a complicated way to say that the license is not compatible with GPL |
| 12:04:19 | B4gder | at least in my eyes |
| 12:04:39 | B4gder | "these otherwise compatible licenses" is a nice way to put it |
| 12:05:27 | amiconn | Hmm, I guess we shouldn't care too much |
| 12:05:45 | amiconn | Why would we want helix instead of our current codecs? |
| 12:05:58 | B4gder | I believe it performs pretty good on arm |
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| 12:13:06 | amiconn | B4gder: What makes the rpsl incompatible with the gpl? Is it 2.1(e) here: https://helixcommunity.org/content/rpsl ? |
| 12:16:09 | ashridah | hey. doesn't configure have some flag to make it compile assuming there's more than one cpu? |
| 12:17:11 | amiconn | ashridah: make -j <n> or just make -j |
| 12:22:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's the same as the controversial new clause added the libfaad's documentation. Also, everything about patents in the RPSL seems to be incompatible with the GPL - e.g. 3c) says you can't use the source code as evidence in patent disputes against the licensor. |
| 12:26:22 | amiconn | ashridah: make -j <n> uses at most <n> jobs in parallel, make -j uses as many jobs in parallel as make sees fit |
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| 12:28:37 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you remember other places apart from the thread scheduler were we rely on inlining? |
| 12:28:53 | * | amiconn wants to solve the odd crash with sh-elf-gcc 3.4.6 -Os |
| 12:28:59 | ashridah | amiconn: yeah, i know. i just thought i'd remembered someone mentioning it in conjunction with the configure script |
| 12:40:20 | lostlogic | amiconn: crossfade is fixed. again. fortunately I fixed it in my sleep, so I won't remember this when I wake up in a couple of hours. |
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| 12:41:14 | lostlogic | does arm just not care if you access random memory, but m68k does or something? |
| 12:41:30 | preglow | hm? it was an out of bounds thing? |
| 12:42:04 | preglow | none of them should care if you access random memory |
| 12:42:34 | lostlogic | I had two legitimate bugs that should have caused any arch to point to and then try to dereference (fff->blah) NULL... m68k crashes every time, but not arm |
| 12:42:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I *think* the "MPC / Wavpack / MP3" not playing posts recently in the iRiver thread are the crossfade bug in a slightly different guise. I had my player do what they described (freeze 3 seconds from the end of the first song) then reset the settings (realized I'd left crossfade on from a recent test for you) and it seems to be playing fine. |
| 12:43:24 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: well good, try to reproduce with the latest CVS :) |
| 12:43:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | You had to commit like, 15 seconds after I built |
| 12:43:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters and fires up VMWare again |
| 12:44:05 | lostlogic | hehe, sorry |
| 12:44:10 | lostlogic | am sleep coding :) |
| 12:44:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | No worries |
| 12:44:40 | lostlogic | this farking crossfade bug is farking killing me. |
| 12:45:07 | lostlogic | or was (assuming, hope hope, that it's fixed) |
| 12:45:12 | preglow | heh |
| 12:45:30 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i've never used crossfade |
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| 12:45:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Only time I've ever used it is when lostlogic over there says "Hey, Paul... can you test something for me ;-)" |
| 12:46:07 | lostlogic | :) |
| 12:46:23 | lostlogic | so much effort for a feature so few devs use ;) |
| 12:46:25 | preglow | you gotta learn to fend the bugger off when he uses that smiley |
| 12:47:30 | lostlogic | preglow: I suppose I could just not fix it :-P |
| 12:48:06 | preglow | time for a new build, then |
| 12:48:42 | wehn | anyone good with bash scripting here?, trying to to a recursive VBRfix |
| 12:49:04 | wehn | having problems with this line: |
| 12:49:09 | wehn | for file in `find . -name "*.mp3" -print` |
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| 12:49:33 | lostlogic | wehn: why not just use find . -name '*.mp3' -exec VBRfix {} \; |
| 12:49:47 | webguest81 | I only use xfade if I have shuffle enabled, otherwise I never use it |
| 12:50:02 | wehn | I saw that in the man page but strugled to figure it out. i'll have another look... |
| 12:50:09 | lostlogic | webguest81: well, does the latest CVS fix it on your (I assume) coldfire target? |
| 12:50:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Crossfade always sounded too unnatural for me. Like, the songs were too impatient. |
| 12:50:36 | webguest81 | one sec and I'll test it, need to wake everything up :) |
| 12:50:39 | lostlogic | I dont' use it either. |
| 12:50:51 | wehn | lostlogic: problem is spaces interpreted as end of line rather than "\ " |
| 12:51:20 | lostlogic | wehn: you can also change your IFS if you want to do the for file in `find method. |
| 12:51:36 | lostlogic | but personally I'd just do it with the find exec, because that should work regardless |
| 12:51:45 | wehn | IFS? |
| 12:51:52 | lostlogic | internal field separator |
| 12:51:57 | lostlogic | is how bash separates fields on the commandline |
| 12:52:04 | lostlogic | and by default space is one such character |
| 12:52:19 | lostlogic | if you change it to only separate by newline, then the fields won't be separated on the spaces. |
| 12:52:19 | LinusN | find . -name "*.mp3" | xargs VBRfix |
| 12:52:30 | wehn | ahh. but i'll try the exec method |
| 12:52:30 | lostlogic | LinusN: will break just as much with spaces in names, IIRC |
| 12:52:48 | wehn | Linus: I tried that but the vbrfix command line is:.. |
| 12:52:58 | wehn | vbrfixc -lameinfo $file $file |
| 12:53:10 | LinusN | ah |
| 12:53:11 | wehn | man xargs confused me.. |
| 12:53:20 | pondlife | lostlogic: Erm, there's a new (non-crashing) crossfade bug... |
| 12:53:38 | lostlogic | pondlife: oh? |
| 12:53:40 | pondlife | The fade-in isn't played properly. |
| 12:53:51 | lostlogic | describe, since I rewrote the fade in yesterday :) |
| 12:54:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I was about to tell you that the fix didn't work. Then I realized that somehow I forgot to CVS up before building. Sorry. Umm... Lemme go try the *actual* update |
| 12:55:28 | lostlogic | pondlife: if you tell me that it starts to fade in, and then stops, and resumes fading in after the fade out is complete, that's because it has a buffer underrun sorta doohicker on mixing space |
| 12:55:28 | pondlife | Hard to describe, but part of the fade in isn't played. Try both delays set to 0, and fade in/out durations of 1 and 2 seconds respectively.. |
| 12:56:56 | lostlogic | I could probably make it less 'twitchy' on triggering that underrun condition, but it would risk a really nasty gappy situation where part of the fade in is lost entirely (is that better than what I did?) |
| 12:57:11 | preglow | i never understood the crossfade settigns... |
| 12:57:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Quote from the forums "This newest CVS build seems like an improvement. I'm at the 4th song now without a freeze. Thats a shuffled playlist with crossfade enabled. The last builds were all freezing at the first track change with crossfade on, but worked without crossfade." |
| 12:57:20 | lostlogic | preglow: neithre does the manual, don't feel special. |
| 12:57:34 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: party. |
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| 12:58:31 | pondlife | I'm not sure it's actually stopping/starting - skipping back to the track start seems to keep the song's timing/rhythm going. |
| 12:58:36 | wehn | BINGO! find . -name '*.mp3' -exec vbrfixc -lameinfo '{}' '{}' \; |
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| 12:58:50 | pondlife | I'd expect an underrun to be more obvious |
| 12:59:00 | wehn | i'll add that to the vbr bug report. cheers |
| 12:59:03 | pondlife | It just seems to only play half of the fade in. |
| 12:59:09 | preglow | mpc bug is still there, alright |
| 12:59:18 | pondlife | Does it every time, but my battery has just died. |
| 12:59:38 | lostlogic | pondlife: first half or last half? |
| 12:59:51 | webguest81 | lostlogic, H140, with shuffle enabled and xfade shuffle mode, I get no freezes so far, and I have fast skipped fwd and back |
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| 13:00:29 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: but what, does wavpack and mp3 have trouble too? |
| 13:00:32 | preglow | doesn't seem like it here |
| 13:00:32 | pondlife | Not sure - first I think. |
| 13:00:45 | pondlife | It's definitely has a "half" feeling about it! |
| 13:00:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I'm giving better than even odds that those wavpack and MP3 issues were the crossfade bug |
| 13:00:49 | pondlife | It... |
| 13:00:57 | preglow | yes |
| 13:01:03 | preglow | they work fine like wine here, at least |
| 13:01:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same here |
| 13:01:09 | preglow | mpc still bugs out, but i'll have a quick look at that |
| 13:01:14 | pondlife | I'll need to try some less repetitive songs to be sure. |
| 13:01:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no MPCs to test. |
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| 13:02:53 | lostlogic | pondlife: I see what you mean... when out and in are set evenly, it doesn't do that. wtf. |
| 13:03:29 | webguest81 | although the xfade to the next track after skipping a few isn't smooth |
| 13:03:38 | preglow | though i wish i knew where things went wrong |
| 13:03:49 | preglow | i'm just shooting for the mpc.c change for now |
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| 13:05:41 | webguest81 | inplaylist view, having two rows of numbers takes up a lot of screen space |
| 13:06:52 | webguest81 | any way that it would be possible to remove the file list numbering and leave the track numbering ? |
| 13:07:24 | Moos | sure, you can remove the indices |
| 13:07:34 | amiconn | preglow: If you access an area with no memory at all on coldfire, the bus will hang |
| 13:07:59 | webguest81 | Moos, is that an option ? |
| 13:08:09 | pondlife | lostlogic: It's the second half that goes missing I think |
| 13:08:33 | Moos | webguest81: yep, which player do you have (for the key)? |
| 13:08:46 | webguest81 | H140 |
| 13:08:47 | lostlogic | pondlife: and that audio is totally missing, not just played after the fade out finishes, correct? |
| 13:08:54 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:09:41 | Moos | webguest81: press A/B when you are in playlist view then |
| 13:10:04 | webguest81 | ah yes found it, many thanks Moos |
| 13:10:08 | Moos | and show indices set no, but this info can be usufull anyway |
| 13:10:14 | Moos | no problem :) |
| 13:10:19 | pondlife | I think so.. maybe I should record a count-in, and try some really asymettric settings (1/10)... |
| 13:10:26 | pondlife | Am charging at the moment |
| 13:10:45 | lostlogic | pondlife: I'm tryin' to find it, but let me know if you do happen to do some more precise tests. |
| 13:10:58 | pondlife | OK, have you tried the sim recently? |
| 13:10:59 | Moos | lostlogic: hi, still hunting crossfade bug? :) |
| 13:11:18 | amiconn | lostlogic: Forgot to direct that to you as well: If you access an area with no memory at all on coldfire, the bus will hang |
| 13:12:17 | pondlife | I've had to bodge it to make it work - prevent codec failure.. and now it sticks on the current track number.. will look into it at lunchtime. |
| 13:12:18 | lostlogic | amiconn: saw it, thanks |
| 13:12:40 | lostlogic | Moos: the crashing is dead... |
| 13:13:03 | Moos | uhh, things improving then :) |
| 13:13:40 | webguest81 | if shufle is deselected, should the files remain shuffled in the dynamic playlist ? |
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| 13:14:42 | lostlogic | yes |
| 13:15:03 | webguest81 | thanks |
| 13:15:10 | amiconn | webguest81: Disabling shuffle while playing is supposed to sort the playlist |
| 13:15:30 | webguest81 | ah, let me try that |
| 13:15:37 | amiconn | Or rather, it depends where you do it |
| 13:15:47 | lostlogic | wow, skipping backward and forward repeatedly does seem to still have a bug thta can eventually cause a counter overflow. |
| 13:16:27 | ravon | How often is the simulator used to test plugins? |
| 13:17:02 | B4gder | ravon: very |
| 13:17:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | ravon: Usually just for general stuff (to see how the screen will look on different targets), but it's always a good idea to find someone with a real one of the player for a final test if you can. |
| 13:17:13 | ravon | B4gder: Tried Brickmania, for example? |
| 13:17:27 | ravon | It's segfaulting left and right with all kinds of plugins. |
| 13:17:34 | B4gder | feel free to submit patches |
| 13:17:53 | ravon | Well, that's what I need the simulator for :) |
| 13:17:59 | B4gder | I've used the sim to develop and hack on plugins and the core since years back |
| 13:18:08 | Moos | B4gder: hi, any luck for the X5 LCD partial updates? |
| 13:18:10 | webguest81 | amiconn, thanks, it does unshuffle if done during playback |
| 13:18:10 | linuxstb | ravon: Which sim are you using? |
| 13:18:19 | ravon | linuxstb: X5 SDL Linux |
| 13:18:53 | B4gder | Moos: yes, but I'm holding it off until I've seen what amiconn is up to in that area ;-) |
| 13:18:54 | amiconn | webguest81: There's a difference whether you disable shuffle from General Settings->Playback or the quickscreen |
| 13:19:15 | Moos | B4gder: hehe :) |
| 13:19:17 | Moos | ok |
| 13:19:26 | preglow | blaargh, the musepack seeking patch uses malloc |
| 13:19:29 | Moos | let's hope on busy amiconn then : ) |
| 13:19:42 | Moos | preglow: uch :( |
| 13:19:43 | webguest81 | amiconn, it unshuffles from quick screen |
| 13:19:47 | amiconn | One method unshuffles the playlist, the other does not. Don't remember which one does what atm |
| 13:20:02 | amiconn | Ah, no, I confused my own fixes |
| 13:20:16 | amiconn | It *used* to be different until I fixed that... |
| 13:20:28 | webguest81 | if playback is sopped then it doesn't unshuffle the dynamic playlist |
| 13:20:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:21:03 | webguest81 | rockbox is just to clever :) |
| 13:21:04 | Moos | preglow: the author of musepack patch isn't aware that we don't use malloc? |
| 13:21:27 | Moos | the *best* playlist concept at least ;) |
| 13:21:43 | preglow | i have no idea |
| 13:22:00 | preglow | probably not |
| 13:22:13 | webguest81 | the cheery on the cake would be the playlist catalog patch, it would really kick ass as the yanks would say |
| 13:22:19 | linuxstb | ravon: Brickmania is working fine for me in the X5 SDL sim in Linux. |
| 13:22:32 | Moos | preglow: did you already see him here? |
| 13:22:36 | preglow | no |
| 13:22:39 | ravon | linuxstb: Checking out a vanilla tree and trying without any patches. |
| 13:22:41 | Moos | k |
| 13:23:24 | linuxstb | ravon: Also, make sure you are running "make install" after each recompile. |
| 13:24:11 | ravon | oki |
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| 13:29:03 | lostlogic | pondlife: btw, didn't get your emails till jus tnow, wish I'd looked right when I woke up, would have taken me at least 15 minutes less of frustration before I figured out the correct fix if I'd seen them. |
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| 13:29:30 | preglow | bbl |
| 13:31:06 | Moos | B4gder/LinusN: what's your thought about using some of extra IRAM space on X5 for the codecs or something else when the LCD driver will be reworked, cause actually iirc all the extra IRAM we have with X5 is for LCD frame buffer? |
| 13:31:57 | B4gder | well, if we get more IRAM free and someone identifies suitable suspects to move there, then sure we move 'em |
| 13:32:59 | Moos | I'm wondering which way could be the more "batterie friendly"? :) |
| 13:33:22 | B4gder | there are only one way really: |
| 13:33:35 | B4gder | lower the CPU use by optimizing functions we use often |
| 13:34:12 | B4gder | and moving functions/data to IRAM is one way of optimizing for speed |
| 13:35:32 | Moos | yep, what's about LCD vs codecs? |
| 13:36:02 | pondlife | lostlogic: oops, sorry - I didn't have a patch together so thought e-mail was best (better than putting code in the wiki anyway) |
| 13:36:22 | B4gder | Moos: what counts is the total, LCD + codecs and how long we can run without boosting and how much we can make the CPU sleep |
| 13:36:26 | ravon | linuxstb_: You're right. It _does_ work with a vanilla checkout. |
| 13:36:46 | Moos | B4gder: let's hope the max of things will fit :) |
| 13:37:41 | lostlogic | pondlife: no biggie, you were right on the track of the bug... ;) |
| 13:37:45 | B4gder | there are other optimizations we can do as well |
| 13:38:11 | Moos | B4gder: some of them in minds? |
| 13:38:18 | Moos | mind |
| 13:39:03 | B4gder | generally fixing drivers and improving when what is called and used |
| 13:39:34 | B4gder | and shutting off the LCD |
| 13:39:37 | petur | B4gder: thnx 4 the mail ;) |
| 13:39:41 | Moos | hehe LinusN job hopefully after the release :) |
| 13:40:35 | B4gder | I'd say we've so far got very few new developers on the X5 front |
| 13:40:45 | lostlogic | pondlife: i've identified the cause of the latest bug. |
| 13:40:55 | lostlogic | and it does indeed only happen when the fade in is shorter than fade out. |
| 13:41:03 | Moos | B4gder: yeah, but about the "shutting off the LCD" one option for configure this could be fine, cause the current way is good for see LCD w/o backlight, maybe one timiing option that we could reuse for all capable LCDs? |
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| 13:41:30 | B4gder | Moos: you mean you can actually see the LCD when the backlight is off? |
| 13:41:39 | Moos | yep |
| 13:41:44 | B4gder | I have a very hard time doing that on mine |
| 13:41:55 | Moos | note you? of course need light |
| 13:42:05 | Moos | ohoh, eyes lacking? :) |
| 13:42:14 | B4gder | me getting old? nooooo |
| 13:42:16 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:42:21 | linuxstb | There must be more sunlight in France than Sweden... |
| 13:42:29 | Moos | I seted backgroud in white and text on black for readability |
| 13:42:30 | B4gder | aah, there's an explanation! ;-) |
| 13:42:43 | Moos | B4gder: haha XD, not too hold anyway ;) |
| 13:42:51 | B4gder | I figure it can very well depend on what bg/fg combo in-use |
| 13:42:55 | Moos | linuxstb: hihi :) |
| 13:43:26 | webguest81 | the system volume info file is there any way to prevent it from being reinstalled once deleted |
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| 13:43:31 | pondlife | lostlogic: I'll keep an eye on CVS then.. ;-) |
| 13:44:23 | Moos | webguest81: you can configure windows for note make it again |
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| 13:45:09 | amiconn | Moos: ...but windows sometimes decides on its own that it wants to create it again, even when it's disabled |
| 13:45:27 | Moos | oh, never happened here |
| 13:45:38 | Moos | thanks God then :) |
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| 13:47:11 | webguest81 | Moos is there anything that might be screwed up by not having that file when connecting to windows ? |
| 13:48:11 | Moos | how did you managed backup settings? |
| 13:48:16 | Moos | on this drive |
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| 13:51:20 | webguest81 | made backups of my player (entire disk) to my main pc |
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| 13:53:30 | Moos | no no, I meant how did you managed the *windows setting*? |
| 13:54:08 | Moos | you need to disable the restore system option for that windows don't write this sys info dir |
| 13:54:48 | Xerion | annoying svi folder |
| 13:54:53 | Xerion | and also recycled |
| 13:55:05 | Moos | but apparently like amiconn said it can reapear sometimes |
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| 13:55:10 | Xerion | i disabled the recycle bin so why does windows reacreate that folder |
| 13:55:11 | webguest81 | Moos with you now, i have disabled restore for my mp3 player, but still on for my pc's C root drive |
| 13:55:40 | Moos | and did that solve the issue for you? |
| 13:55:50 | Xerion | there are other windows services that use the svi folder |
| 13:56:06 | Moos | oh, which ones? |
| 13:56:30 | webguest81 | perhaps it stores the restore and recycle bin settings in that sys vol file, maybe thats why it reappears |
| 13:56:32 | Moos | here just disabled this ages ago, and never reappeared, just the stupid recycled dir |
| 13:57:00 | Xerion | there are some stated here: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/11/20/55764.aspx |
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| 13:58:27 | Moos | did you disabled restore thing for your root drive too? here I did |
| 13:58:50 | Xerion | i always disable such nonsense :p |
| 13:58:56 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 13:59:03 | Xerion | if windows is fucked up so much i rather reinstall :p |
| 13:59:12 | Moos | : ) |
| 13:59:30 | Xerion | i should reinstall now, but most things are working :p |
| 13:59:42 | Xerion | for some reson remote desktop is broken |
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| 14:00:03 | Xerion | logging in through it crashes windows |
| 14:00:33 | Xerion | in sys event log there are messages about RDP getting too many connections but i wouldn't know why |
| 14:01:03 | Moos | windows sucks, we already know this :P |
| 14:01:09 | Xerion | :P |
| 14:01:41 | * | Moos always used win but never paid 1 cent for it ;) |
| 14:02:14 | Xerion | :P |
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| 14:04:51 | * | linuxstb always has to pay for windows but never uses it. |
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| 14:05:27 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 14:05:58 | ashridah | damn. that is by far the fastest rockbox compile i've ever done |
| 14:06:23 | B4gder | bootloader, −−ccache and no changes? ;-) |
| 14:07:14 | ashridah | no. make -j 4 |
| 14:07:26 | B4gder | -j 4 is niceness |
| 14:07:32 | Xerion | i change my hardware way too often to use a legal xp copy :p |
| 14:07:59 | Xerion | i have one but i just use the corporate version so i don't need to reactivate all the time |
| 14:08:16 | B4gder | bootloader, −−ccache, no changes and -j 4! ;*) |
| 14:09:01 | * | amiconn never reinstalled windows on his own boxes |
| 14:09:04 | amiconn | It just works |
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| 14:10:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm actually somewhat interested in this ReactOS thing. I figure if it ever hits ~Win2k or even NT4 level or so, I'm probably done entirely with Microsoft products. |
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| 14:11:48 | * | petur had to reinstall twice: once the disk crashed, second time the powersupply broke, taking the partition with it :( |
| 14:12:20 | * | JdGordon reinstalls every 3 weeeks :p |
| 14:12:21 | petur | my previous box ran W2k for 6 years without reinstall |
| 14:15:31 | * | mtnbkr has been microsoft-free since '91 |
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| 14:17:17 | * | petur spots his target :D |
| 14:18:02 | * | amiconn can't imagine using linux as the main desktop os |
| 14:18:19 | * | B4gder can't imagine not using linux as the main desktop os |
| 14:18:26 | * | ashridah can't imagine NOT using it as a main desktop os |
| 14:18:39 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:19:13 | amiconn | -not |
| 14:19:20 | petur | XavierGr: I cannot ping to the ip address that the linux inside vmware has - does that help in a way to understand? |
| 14:19:33 | amiconn | Linux is nice for certain purposes, but still rather cumbersome to operate |
| 14:19:48 | * | linuxstb wonders where all the Mac OS users are... |
| 14:19:48 | JdGordon | and its backed by communists!! |
| 14:20:00 | B4gder | Rockbox devs? |
| 14:20:03 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:20:18 | muesli__ | rockbox featuring lenin? |
| 14:20:30 | B4gder | ah sorry, the communists are the guys with track numbers if the file names |
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| 14:20:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 14:21:00 | petur | I got rid of the commandline when windows came along, don't feel much for it to go back to it |
| 14:21:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: I would actually prefer using an opensource desktop os |
| 14:21:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Have you seen ReactOS? |
| 14:21:17 | * | petur is all pointy and clicky and loves context menus |
| 14:21:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an attempt to build an NT4 compatible open source OS |
| 14:22:06 | muesli__ | individuals dont exist in communism...so no single track numbas |
| 14:22:31 | petur | reactos seems to have advanced pretty much - must test it on a box some time |
| 14:22:55 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2781.0 |
| 14:23:00 | B4gder | the communist thread |
| 14:23:35 | * | ashridah notes that interestingly, in most cases, his system administration jobs have been easier from linux than windows |
| 14:23:52 | mtnbkr | amiconn: have you seen KDE 3.5.2 ? |
| 14:24:22 | * | amiconn *does* use the command line for certain purposes, but prefers the graphical way |
| 14:24:22 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: No, din't know about that |
| 14:24:24 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Btw, I don't deem NT4 a comfortable OS |
| 14:24:24 | RedBreva^ | Any of you linux guys managed to get the microsoft core fonts installed on debian? |
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| 14:24:29 | * | B4gder has been a *nix fan since '91 when I first saw the light |
| 14:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Well, the goal is then to advance it through 2k and XP states. NT4 is the first target from what I understand. |
| 14:25:11 | amiconn | mtnbkr: I know about KDE. I don't like it at all |
| 14:25:24 | amiconn | When on linux, I prefer gnome |
| 14:25:37 | Vladoman | heretic! |
| 14:25:43 | * | mtnbkr wonders how people can get anything done without multiple virtual desktops. |
| 14:25:57 | Vladoman | multiple monitors maybe? |
| 14:26:05 | mtnbkr | but that's probably my A.D.D talking...lol |
| 14:26:06 | B4gder | highres and many windows! |
| 14:26:06 | * | petur has two :) |
| 14:26:32 | petur | ALT-TAB |
| 14:26:38 | aliask | Yeah I couldn't live without two monitors. Windows virtual desktop is crap anyway. |
| 14:26:52 | JdGordon | almost the one thing that is stopping me from switching is the bitch to setup 1 very wide desktop across my 3 screens... |
| 14:26:53 | petur | or in my case: ALT-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB |
| 14:26:59 | mtnbkr | petur: heh I hear that too |
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| 14:27:05 | * | amiconn has no problems switching through multiple windows with the taskbar |
| 14:27:14 | JdGordon | petur: u know u can do shift-alt-tab instead of a million tabs... |
| 14:27:15 | lostlogic | ugh, the last 3 builds I thought I copied to my player... I didn't... because they were .zip and I was tar -jxvfing an old bzip2. |
| 14:27:24 | petur | yups |
| 14:27:56 | RedBreva^ | Is there a graphical version of apt-get (similar to Yast) (KDE) |
| 14:28:03 | B4gder | lostlogic: now why did you do that? ;-P |
| 14:28:20 | amiconn | yast, brrr |
| 14:28:30 | mtnbkr | OK, but seriously... what would it tkae to nudge the devs to support RockBox on a 2nd Gen 10GB Ipod? :) Can I loan mine for development purposes? |
| 14:28:41 | B4gder | RedBreva^: yes there is |
| 14:28:58 | Vladoman | xterm -e apt-get |
| 14:29:07 | B4gder | synaptic is one, isn't it? |
| 14:29:12 | RedBreva^ | Thanks ;-) |
| 14:30:28 | RedBreva^ | OK, found synaptic - thanks |
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| 14:32:18 | RedBreva^ | Ah, now I know what I am looking for, I found KPackage... like that one better |
| 14:33:13 | preglow | mtnbkr: sure you can, you just need someone to also find the time to use it |
| 14:34:41 | lostlogic | pondlife: cvs up try. |
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| 14:40:33 | preglow | musepack people: i'd be happy if those of you with a shitload of musepack files could please test the new seeking patch |
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| 14:43:01 | Moos | preglow: I can't build here, but if you can make on build with bleeding edge build (with last lostlogic bugfixe), I can test |
| 14:43:32 | mtnbkr | preglow: any idea where the best place for me to make this comment/offer migth be? forum, bug report? |
| 14:44:05 | B4gder | mtnbkr: dev mailing list or forum I'd guess |
| 14:44:17 | linuxstb | mtnbkr: Possibly the rockbox-dev mailing list. All developers should read that. But I expect most of them have read your offer here. |
| 14:44:36 | preglow | Moos: what player? |
| 14:44:47 | Moos | preglow: X5 please |
| 14:45:25 | mtnbkr | Ok Thanks. |
| 14:45:39 | linuxstb | mtnbkr: Where in the world are you/ |
| 14:45:40 | linuxstb | ? |
| 14:46:57 | mtnbkr | CT, USA |
| 14:47:55 | mtnbkr | but anywhere is only 1-2 days away thanks to Fed-EX, UPS et al. :) |
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| 14:49:42 | mtnbkr | linuxstb: Maybe I could loan them the ipod and BUY them a case of beer and some pizza. :) |
| 14:49:51 | preglow | petur: what, you working with ad stuff? |
| 14:50:18 | petur | blackfin dsp, but I'm only doing the high-level stuff |
| 14:50:35 | preglow | ahh, blackfin |
| 14:50:48 | preglow | never had much to do with that |
| 14:50:52 | Genre9mp3 | I was wondering if we could have RDS Radio with non RDS Radio chips... I have a strange idea and I want your opinion.. |
| 14:50:56 | preglow | Genre9mp3: no |
| 14:52:34 | Genre9mp3 | But, what about if we could record realtime (FM Recording) and then process the signal to retrieve the RDS information? |
| 14:52:36 | preglow | Moos: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox-x5-musepack-patch.zip |
| 14:52:41 | preglow | Genre9mp3: you can't |
| 14:52:48 | Genre9mp3 | why's that? |
| 14:52:50 | preglow | Genre9mp3: the rds info is on a subcarrier which is not extracted |
| 14:52:55 | preglow | it's not interleaved in the audio |
| 14:53:23 | Genre9mp3 | Oh....I thought it was just over the 20khz |
| 14:53:41 | Moos | preglow: ok I'll test it now, something special you want I test, or just seeking...? |
| 14:53:50 | ravon | omg, it works. Yay!! |
| 14:54:15 | preglow | Moos: just general musepack listening |
| 14:54:20 | preglow | Moos: skip around, seek a little, listen a little |
| 14:54:30 | Moos | k |
| 14:54:31 | preglow | Genre9mp3: well, i dunno, try recording fm and see |
| 14:54:43 | Moos | ravon: your NES thing? |
| 14:54:44 | preglow | Genre9mp3: if there's something funky at around 20khz, then perhaps we can do something about it |
| 14:54:49 | ravon | Moos: yeah :D |
| 14:54:49 | preglow | but i'd expect it to be filtered away |
| 14:54:59 | Moos | ravon: congrates |
| 14:55:01 | Moos | :) |
| 14:55:20 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System |
| 14:55:36 | petur | 57kHz subcarrier |
| 14:55:37 | ravon | Moos: Works with 8bit in the emulator, but it's better than nothing. Gonna try it on the iAudio. |
| 14:55:54 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 14:56:08 | Genre9mp3 | Audio frequencies are not filtered in wav format, right? |
| 14:56:25 | preglow | that depends on the source |
| 14:56:35 | preglow | a 57khz subcarrier is almost 100% certainly filtered away |
| 14:57:57 | Genre9mp3 | So if 57Khz is not filtered away in wav the idea would "theoritically" work? |
| 14:58:20 | preglow | i don't think you understand how this works |
| 14:58:27 | preglow | we don't just record a wav straight from the air |
| 14:58:31 | preglow | it needs to be demodulated first |
| 14:58:34 | preglow | and that involved a lot of filtering |
| 14:58:52 | Genre9mp3 | The FM radio chip does that? |
| 14:58:55 | preglow | yes |
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| 15:00:42 | Genre9mp3 | So the difference between an RDS and a non-RDS FM chip is that the first one doesn't filter those frequencies? Or it converts them direclty to digital information (The RDS chip) |
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| 15:02:02 | petur | the RDS version will clock out the RDS data |
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| 15:02:25 | amiconn | In order to capture rds without a specialised chip, we would need to record with a sample rate of at least 120kHz, which isn't possible, and then digitally filter the signal in realtime, which is also impossible |
| 15:02:25 | petur | already filtered and demodulated out of the subcarrier |
| 15:02:53 | Moos | preglow: seeking works like a charm, but still the end of track bug like without the patch |
| 15:03:02 | amiconn | (and of course the fm chip must not filter out high frequencies, but it almost surely does |
| 15:03:16 | preglow | Moos: don't know why that happens |
| 15:03:34 | Moos | lostlogic rework, no? |
| 15:03:37 | XavierGr | I told you that you were wrong Genre9mp3! hahaha |
| 15:03:52 | Moos | preglow: it was the last touched this |
| 15:03:56 | preglow | amiconn: the 57khz subcarrier isn't sampled like that |
| 15:04:17 | Genre9mp3 | OK....thanks for the information....I'll just forget about the idea |
| 15:04:23 | preglow | amiconn: if we were lucky, they might be lazy with the filtering and we'd find it placed randomly in one of the channels |
| 15:04:29 | preglow | amiconn: but at around 20-30khz |
| 15:05:02 | amiconn | They are most likely not lazy with filtering |
| 15:05:06 | preglow | exactly |
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| 15:05:27 | XavierGr | moo |
| 15:05:44 | preglow | Moos: it was the last what? |
| 15:05:52 | Moos | preglow: just tried with a long song (from Fela Anikulapo Kuti) and still great seeking |
| 15:05:55 | goffa | wow.. busy place |
| 15:06:00 | amiconn | The stereo pilot signal (19kHz) is usually quite well filtered out |
| 15:06:15 | Moos | preglow: to touch the musepack codec, no? |
| 15:06:43 | preglow | Moos: no idea |
| 15:06:53 | preglow | Moos: i'll have a look at it in a minute now |
| 15:06:56 | Moos | I remenber he changed all codecs |
| 15:07:03 | goffa | heh ... at this point i'd like it to just advance to the next track ;) |
| 15:07:10 | Moos | in one little thing, don't remenber what |
| 15:07:13 | Moos | lostlogic? |
| 15:07:16 | preglow | i know what he did |
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| 15:07:22 | preglow | and i know how it might break, i'll check it out |
| 15:07:27 | Moos | cool |
| 15:07:42 | amiconn | preglow: How does this seek patch work... I remember you said that the signal has to be decoded from the start in order to deode it properly... |
| 15:07:54 | Moos | preglow: please commit this patch man, that really rocks :) |
| 15:07:57 | preglow | amiconn: it has been found out that musepack has a max frame dependency |
| 15:08:33 | preglow | amiconn: also, to reduce the danger of screaming noise on seek resume, all scalefactors are reset to their minimum value, so that any scale factors that have not been set won't be (very) active |
| 15:08:41 | amiconn | Uh? I thought the musepack people would know such things... |
| 15:08:48 | preglow | you'd be surprised... |
| 15:08:52 | * | goffa wishes bushel still supported musepack.. then he could give info |
| 15:09:08 | preglow | yeah, you pretty much need to go to those people for internals |
| 15:09:09 | Moos | preglow: and the author of patch will continue to works on musepack front if you commit his patch |
| 15:09:13 | preglow | and they're never around |
| 15:09:33 | amiconn | preglow: Sounds familiar... |
| 15:09:39 | preglow | Moos: i will commit it after it's seen enough testing to assure it won't just blow up and damage someone's ears |
| 15:09:42 | * | amiconn thinks about another biig project... |
| 15:09:50 | preglow | Moos: and you the users are the only ones that can do that! :) |
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| 15:10:29 | Moos | preglow: I'll listen musepack files only this afternoon and let you know |
| 15:10:36 | XavierGr | lostlogic: Are you aware of the sound artifacts while changing tracks manually? (pops, clicks) |
| 15:10:38 | preglow | Moos: please do |
| 15:10:41 | Moos | k |
| 15:10:46 | preglow | i'll have rotator do some testing as well if i see him |
| 15:10:54 | Moos | yeah |
| 15:11:10 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm curious - what's the max frame dependency in musepack? |
| 15:11:56 | preglow | linuxstb: i 31 |
| 15:11:59 | preglow | s/i//... |
| 15:12:06 | linuxstb | 31 frames? |
| 15:12:10 | petur | to end the discussion: the h300 tuner chip filter starts at 22.5 kHz ;) |
| 15:12:42 | linuxstb | So does the seeking patch decode and discard 31 frames? |
| 15:13:19 | Genre9mp3 | petur: OK then... |
| 15:13:26 | preglow | 31 frames, yes |
| 15:13:47 | preglow | linuxstb: no, you need to decode 31 frames if you want to be sure of no screeching bugs |
| 15:13:58 | preglow | linuxstb: but if you reset the scale factors to their lowest value, you can do with less |
| 15:14:01 | Moos | the author of patch "promise" some optimisation to musepacklib too |
| 15:14:06 | preglow | there is some |
| 15:15:54 | * | Moos goes out with a quite beautiful musepack playlist to hear :) |
| 15:16:17 | Moos | preglow: I'll report you in few hours if I encountred any bugs or something |
| 15:16:21 | preglow | Moos: goodie |
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| 15:16:33 | Moos | np |
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| 15:21:22 | lostlogic | XavierGr: on or off buffer? |
| 15:21:54 | lostlogic | XavierGr: actually either way, no, it's smoothe for me. |
| 15:22:00 | lostlogic | Moos: what were you asking me? |
| 15:22:07 | XavierGr | let me check with the latest build |
| 15:25:55 | goffa | i'll test at noon.. its a little late, but thats when i can copy new firmware to this thing |
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| 15:29:52 | XavierGr | lostlogic are you sure it is smooth for you? For me every time I press next/previous track I get a small "sceeching" sound and/or a pop/click. |
| 15:30:15 | XavierGr | This doesn't happen when I choose a new track from the file browser |
| 15:30:19 | lostlogic | XavierGr: haven't heard it on speakers, lemme try with IEMs |
| 15:30:32 | lostlogic | XavierGr: does choosing a new track from teh file browser work for you? It's broken IIRC |
| 15:31:27 | XavierGr | it works fine for me. |
| 15:31:29 | lostlogic | XavierGr: perfectly smooth here |
| 15:31:41 | lostlogic | wtf. |
| 15:31:44 | whatboutbob | preglow: any advancement w/ spdif? |
| 15:31:52 | XavierGr | oh wait choosing a file from the filebrowser just exited playback. |
| 15:31:58 | preglow | whatboutbob: no, i'm fed up with it |
| 15:32:02 | preglow | i'll resume some other day |
| 15:32:20 | whatboutbob | hehe...i can't blame you. ;) |
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| 15:32:48 | lostlogic | XavierGr: yeah, that's what most people get. |
| 15:32:55 | lostlogic | XavierGr: like I said, it's broken. |
| 15:32:58 | preglow | always bugs i can't reproduce consistently |
| 15:33:12 | whatboutbob | preglow: 'tis nice to have the ball rolling anyways. |
| 15:33:26 | XavierGr | yes, but track changes from file beowser is much smoother (when it works) than left/right changes. |
| 15:33:43 | agabus | if rockbox completely screws up somehow, am i able to go back to the original firmware without sending my ipod away? |
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| 15:34:00 | JdGordon | n-n-n NETSPLITT! |
| 15:34:02 | lostlogic | XavierGr: well from the file browser stops and restarts playback, so it's not smooth, at least it shouldn't be... it will stop playing for some time between tracks. |
| 15:34:10 | whatboutbob | ...the bugs do seem to be pretty inconsistent and not easily replicable. |
| 15:34:34 | lostlogic | XavierGr: do you use any of the DSP features? stereo width, crossfeed, or eq? |
| 15:34:40 | agabus | if rockbox completely screws up somehow, am i able to go back to the original firmware without sending my ipod away? |
| 15:35:05 | ashridah | agabus: yes |
| 15:35:11 | XavierGr | lostlogic: what do you mean smooth? I am just saying that while track changes are a little slower from the filebrowser I don't hear any sqeaks or pops. |
| 15:35:20 | lostlogic | agabus: so far we have a zero brick ratio, so haven't found a way to screw it up beyond being able to just restore with the apple utilities. |
| 15:35:35 | XavierGr | lostlogic: I don't use any DSP |
| 15:35:43 | lostlogic | XavierGr: right, a manual track change for me is completely gapless, with no pops, screeches, or anything. |
| 15:36:02 | agabus | ashridah - sweet, I so wanna try RockBox when i get my new ipod, but I was worried i might brick it. but if there's always a way back, then i'll definately try it |
| 15:36:03 | lostlogic | XavierGr: and what target? |
| 15:36:08 | XavierGr | H300 |
| 15:36:55 | XavierGr | As I said changing track with left/right is much faster that filebrowser but I can hear artifacts. |
| 15:37:17 | TeaSea | What's the brick rate for H3xx and the X5? |
| 15:37:22 | lostlogic | TeaSea: zero |
| 15:37:22 | XavierGr | while on file browser the change is slower but perfect. (no clicks or pops) |
| 15:37:34 | TeaSea | lostlogic: Awesome. |
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| 15:37:46 | lostlogic | TeaSea: wait, no, there was 1 or 2 with people trying to flash unsupported patched US firmwares, I think. |
| 15:37:58 | TeaSea | Aha |
| 15:38:06 | lostlogic | XavierGr: yes, I understand what you are saying, but I can't reproduce it, can you find out if all coldfire users have this, or just you? |
| 15:38:23 | XavierGr | TeaSea: From what I know we have zero bricks |
| 15:38:43 | XavierGr | lostlogic: I can test on my H140 too. |
| 15:38:47 | lostlogic | XavierGr: please do |
| 15:39:28 | agabus | but if a device gets bricked, there's still a way back right? |
| 15:39:36 | | Join snake952 [0] (n=gf@202.130.204.224) |
| 15:39:43 | lostlogic | agabus: no, brick means it has to be sent in. |
| 15:39:51 | XavierGr | agabus: no if it is bricked, it is the end of story |
| 15:39:59 | snake952 | hey |
| 15:40:08 | snake952 | why didnt rockbox work on my H320 |
| 15:40:13 | XavierGr | unless you have proper hardware that will let you reflash the memory |
| 15:40:25 | snake952 | i just pressed update firmware |
| 15:40:28 | agabus | dam. will apple fix it if it gets bricked from rockbox? |
| 15:40:36 | XavierGr | snake952: didn't work? |
| 15:40:45 | snake952 | it didnt do anything |
| 15:40:49 | snake952 | when i pressed yes |
| 15:40:53 | lostlogic | agabus: unknown, nobody's actually had it get bricked to find out |
| 15:40:56 | snake952 | nothing happened |
| 15:40:57 | JdGordon | hey Bagder, any news on when the firmware file is being moved into the .rockbox folde? |
| 15:41:02 | petur | agabus: for ipods there's a tool from apple to fix it |
| 15:41:03 | XavierGr | agabus: probably no, but this is higly unlikely. |
| 15:41:26 | agabus | petur - oh? |
| 15:41:31 | lostlogic | agabus: the ipods have a flash based emergency mode which we never touch, so it is highly unlikely that rockbox can do anything non-recoverable. |
| 15:41:49 | Mikachu | petur: not if it's bricked |
| 15:41:52 | snake952 | any idea? |
| 15:41:54 | Mikachu | that's the definition of bricked |
| 15:42:00 | petur | the only issue there is: if you have a hardware failure and send it in, they'll tell you you voided your warranty |
| 15:42:09 | lostlogic | that is what the utility from apple uses, but that's not bricked, that's jut rockbox not working right, or original firmware scrwered up... bricked would be if we somehow made it so it couldn't even power on into that emergency flash routine. |
| 15:42:21 | XavierGr | snake952: did you patched an official firmware succesfully? |
| 15:42:38 | snake952 | im doing that now to see |
| 15:43:04 | agabus | do people have many complains about the newest 60gig video ipod using rockbox? |
| 15:43:15 | agabus | complaints* |
| 15:44:04 | XavierGr | snake: use the firmware patcher on an iriver firmware, then put the firmware on your player and upgrade like normal. Then all you need is a rockbox build to put on the unit. Make sure you read the wiki for details. |
| 15:44:13 | snake952 | where do i get the official firmware? |
| 15:44:13 | lostlogic | agabus: of course they do |
| 15:44:43 | Mikachu | they mostly want to know how to get doom running |
| 15:44:50 | lostlogic | agabus: have you ever found a program or product that there weren't complaints about? :-P |
| 15:44:52 | petur | rofl |
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| 15:45:25 | snake952 | any one know? |
| 15:45:39 | agabus | fair enough. well i don't care about doom, i want RockBox so i can play OGG files and use the ipod as a portable hard-drive (easier to put music on from linux) |
| 15:46:30 | snake952 | im lost |
| 15:46:50 | snake952 | i convert a video for my H320 and it says it cant support the video and skips it |
| 15:46:51 | lostlogic | agabus: does that fine, the battery performance is much worse than stock firmware though. |
| 15:47:37 | XavierGr | snake: video is not suppported on Rockbox for H300. I suggest open a thread on MisticRiver for these kind of questions |
| 15:47:54 | snake952 | im going back to the official one |
| 15:48:23 | agabus | lostlogic - hmm I figured that might be the case, so what I might do is have RockBox installed so that from linux I can drag and drop files, and then use the method to make the official firmware scan for the mp3 files and use official for most music |
| 15:48:31 | XavierGr | snake: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IriverBoot |
| 15:48:34 | petur | snale952: if you had read the wiki, you would have seen the links to official fw: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 15:48:47 | lostlogic | XavierGr: track changes are definitely pop/click/squeak free for me, I've just been skipping all over trying to reproduce another bug and have thusly failed to reproduce that bug or yours :-P |
| 15:48:59 | snake952 | then whats it for? |
| 15:49:16 | lostlogic | agabus: not familiar with anything to do with the stock firmware, not used it ever. |
| 15:49:29 | petur | snake952: audio player ? |
| 15:49:46 | snake952 | yeh but i want to |
| 15:49:51 | snake952 | play vids |
| 15:49:52 | petur | gapless, multi-codec, and much more stuff |
| 15:50:05 | petur | wrong player then eh? |
| 15:50:34 | petur | h300 sucks at playing video - small screen for starters |
| 15:51:01 | TeaSea | petur: Don't confuse him, he'll start applying buyer's defence logic! |
| 15:51:08 | TeaSea | :P |
| 15:51:25 | petur | maybe the games rockbox offers are more interesting? |
| 15:51:33 | snake952 | games? |
| 15:51:50 | petur | brickmania, terox, doom,... ? |
| 15:51:59 | petur | see manual -> plugins |
| 15:52:05 | snake952 | is there any one here who can help me with my H320 |
| 15:52:16 | petur | what is your problem? |
| 15:52:28 | snake952 | i want it to play videos |
| 15:52:36 | TeaSea | You just wasted a lot of money if you bought the H320 to play videos. |
| 15:52:39 | lostlogic | snake952: then use the stock firmware. |
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| 15:52:50 | petur | you can dual boot rockbox |
| 15:52:54 | snake952 | i have |
| 15:53:04 | lostlogic | snake952: then what's your problem, dudddddeee |
| 15:53:13 | petur | press REC before ON and hold ON until stock fw starts |
| 15:53:17 | snake952 | it keeps saying not supported and skipping the files |
| 15:53:24 | XavierGr | snake952: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=10319&highlight=iriverter |
| 15:53:25 | TeaSea | Getting videos to work on the iRiver is quite simple. |
| 15:53:28 | TeaSea | You only need to do one thing. |
| 15:53:29 | TeaSea | rtfm |
| 15:53:40 | petur | snake952: there are some good guides available on misticriver |
| 15:53:50 | petur | read them |
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| 15:54:36 | petur | ah, tech support arrives |
| 15:54:40 | petur | :P |
| 15:54:46 | TeaSea | Paul_The_Nerd, salutations! |
| 15:55:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Howdy |
| 15:55:31 | snake952 | can he help? |
| 15:55:53 | petur | snake952: not for h300 I think |
| 15:56:19 | petur | snake952: please *read* the guides available on misticriver |
| 15:56:43 | TeaSea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM <−− Read this |
| 15:56:55 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: do you have pops/artifacts when manually skipping tracks on your coldfire? |
| 15:57:19 | petur | please read the fortran manual? |
| 15:57:23 | TeaSea | Yes |
| 15:57:24 | TeaSea | Precisely. |
| 15:57:38 | TeaSea | The FORTRAN manual is less of a manual, ore of a guide on how to live your life. |
| 15:57:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the problem? |
| 15:57:49 | petur | goodie, thanks for the tip! |
| 15:57:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Gimme a second. I don't normally manually skip tracks. Also, is it okay if I'm using the first pcmbuf.c change that fixed the crossfade freeze, or should I update first? |
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| 15:58:08 | * | petur wanders off in search of a fortran manual |
| 15:58:22 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't think it will matter as long as you have crossfade _off_ for the test. |
| 15:58:43 | XavierGr | lostlogic: I get the same reaction with H140. left/right file change is quick but has audio artifacts, while filebrowser change is slower (not a problem for me) but is perfect. |
| 15:59:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Nothing noticeable. Maybe a very very very small one here and there that's probably just the contrast between the two songs. That's <start playback, let song play for ~1 second, skip, wait until I hear audio, skip, hear audio, skip> |
| 15:59:35 | JdGordon | TeaSea: i love how under see also on thatt wiki page it has unix man pages.. |
| 15:59:42 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: get it on buffer and see if you get artifacts. |
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| 16:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | ok |
| 16:00:17 | TeaSea | JdGordon: Heh yes |
| 16:00:31 | snake952 | its still saying not supported |
| 16:00:43 | Mikachu | rockbox doesn't support videos |
| 16:00:52 | snake952 | im not using it |
| 16:00:59 | snake952 | im using the original firmwar |
| 16:00:59 | Mikachu | okay, then you're in the wrong channel guy |
| 16:01:01 | snake952 | *ware |
| 16:01:07 | snake952 | theres no where else |
| 16:01:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, same thing. If it's in a silent or quiet part of the song, nothing. If it's in an active part of the song, *maybe* an artifact. I think though it's just contrast because of the sudden change. It's a very crisp change to the next track. |
| 16:02:01 | ashridah | snake952: one presumes you've already tried the guides and forums on misticriver.net ? |
| 16:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | snake952: If you have problems with your original H300 firmware, contact iRiver support. Clearly, we did not write it and would not have the knowledge or resources available to us that they do. |
| 16:02:35 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks |
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| 16:02:52 | snake952 | but |
| 16:03:00 | snake952 | it should play i just upgraded it |
| 16:03:08 | petur | *thud* |
| 16:03:12 | lostlogic | XavierGr: dunno what to tell ya −− I can't reproduce, and neither can my faithful reproducer of bugs here... anything else that you might have in your settings different than us? |
| 16:04:10 | petur | snake952: did you upgrade to 1.30? |
| 16:04:25 | leftright | lostlogic, I had a stranges during playback, I skip and delete files/tracks extensively, after doing this for a few albums, playback got confused, it would still play a bit of the previous song before playing the selected song. the wps was acuurate and up to date, playback seemed disorientated. hopes this makes sense |
| 16:04:43 | snake952 | no |
| 16:04:45 | snake952 | 1.25 |
| 16:04:50 | snake952 | but dont forget im in aus |
| 16:04:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Maybe *maybe* a very small click. Sometimes. But it seems to be much more dependent on the actual audio than anything else, and requires a *lot* of hard-rock style noise. |
| 16:05:03 | XavierGr | lostlogic: so other H300, H140 users dont encounter these pops,clicks? |
| 16:05:27 | pondlife | I'm just waiting for my H340 to charge... |
| 16:05:56 | petur | snake952: you won't get more help here, post your question at misticriver and prepare to get RTFM'd there ... |
| 16:05:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Yup. I'm testing on an H120 right now. |
| 16:05:57 | goffa | how long does it take a 340 to charge on average? |
| 16:05:58 | lostlogic | leftright: define skip / delete |
| 16:06:19 | pondlife | goffa: About 2-3 hours here |
| 16:06:27 | goffa | not bad |
| 16:06:29 | XavierGr | Paul: and track change with left/right is perfect for you? |
| 16:06:40 | goffa | thinking about getting one |
| 16:07:25 | lostlogic | leftright: I think that will end up being the same bug as the one I'm currently chasing, fwiw. |
| 16:08:12 | leftright | lostloigc, I start listening to track 1 in a new album, I dont like the track skip to the next, whilst the next is playing I go and delete previous file that i dont like, and so on |
| 16:08:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Every now and then a *very* small click, that I think is actually just the sudden change from a loud song to a quiet one. |
| 16:08:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: But easily 90% or more of the changes have nothing noticeable at all about them. |
| 16:09:41 | snake952 | oh well look no vids for me |
| 16:10:05 | pondlife | lostlogic: I can confirm next track skipping works great with crossfade! |
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| 16:10:37 | pondlife | Although the browser selection doesn't (same as before) |
| 16:10:41 | petur | snake952: do you actually read or just type around? |
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| 16:10:47 | Mindship-03 | I presume I can install Grub on my IHP-140's HDD MBR without making the firmware unbootable? |
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| 16:10:55 | snake952 | it all goes so fast |
| 16:11:09 | | Quit agabus (Connection timed out) |
| 16:11:14 | petur | snake952: this channel is about *rockbox*, not iriver firmware |
| 16:11:15 | snake952 | why what did i miss? |
| 16:11:26 | snake952 | yeh well i thought u guys could help |
| 16:11:53 | pondlife | lostlogic: Without crossfade, both work perfectly here - not even a click. |
| 16:12:02 | RedBreva^ | anybody point me to some docs for mounting h140 under linux? I just plugged it in for the first time and can't find it! |
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| 16:12:24 | Mindship-03 | petur: but you, of all people, would know wether Rockbox can boot w/ Grub in its MBR... |
| 16:12:38 | Mindship-03 | RedBreva^: try mounting it! |
| 16:12:52 | pondlife | Ah - it stops if I'm playing a track (and on the WPS) then I go back to the browser and select the currently playing track |
| 16:12:55 | Mindship-03 | (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (or sda5)) |
| 16:12:55 | RedBreva^ | my point exactly - how? |
| 16:13:01 | pondlife | This is with crossfade off |
| 16:13:08 | Mindship-03 | your kernel must support it |
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| 16:13:18 | amiconn | XavierGr: I get those glitches occasionally (maybe one in 20 skips). Not sure whether it got better with latest cvs, as I generally don't skip often |
| 16:13:25 | Mindship-03 | you are experienced with mounting RedBreva^? |
| 16:13:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: For reference, with the same songs and the same headphones, the H120 and the iPod Nano sound the same skipping next songs. |
| 16:13:52 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: good to know |
| 16:13:56 | leftright | thanks for all the effort everyone |
| 16:13:59 | | Part leftright |
| 16:14:06 | lostlogic | amiconn: any idea what might be different on the skips that glitch slightly? |
| 16:14:09 | RedBreva^ | no, never done it before - linux newbie |
| 16:14:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I realized that was a better way to do it than just say "Umm... I don't *think* there are artifacts." :) |
| 16:14:24 | amiconn | lostlogic: Sorry, no, and no way to test atm |
| 16:14:40 | RedBreva^ | I just tried the above command but it wants to know the filesystem type |
| 16:14:44 | amiconn | My swcodec devices are all @home |
| 16:14:46 | lostlogic | amiconn: np, thanks −− if it's the same between ipod and coldfire I can at least try and recreate. |
| 16:14:58 | Mindship-03 | RedBreva: tried sda5 too? |
| 16:15:11 | * | amiconn chose the Ondio today |
| 16:15:19 | RedBreva^ | yep - same thing |
| 16:15:19 | XavierGr | damn, I get clicks and pops almost always. |
| 16:15:27 | amiconn | ..with an -Os build (3.3.6 so far) |
| 16:15:27 | pondlife | Mp3? |
| 16:15:49 | Mindship-03 | and fdisk -t /dev/sda? |
| 16:16:07 | RedBreva^ | what's that do? |
| 16:16:09 | pondlife | XavierGR: I'm using exclusively 128kpbs MP3, 44.1kHz |
| 16:16:28 | Mindship-03 | print the partition table of the device (if supported) |
| 16:16:44 | RedBreva^ | OK.. |
| 16:17:03 | Mindship-03 | if it doesn't print something nice your kernel probably does not support USB-mass storage or you need to insert the modules |
| 16:17:12 | Mindship-03 | (which distro are you running?) |
| 16:17:30 | XavierGr | pondlife: I use all sorts of bitrates, but in my tests I try to use more standart ones. (128kbps mp3) |
| 16:17:48 | RedBreva^ | Debian Sarge |
| 16:18:12 | RedBreva^ | -t didn't , so I tried -l, no output! |
| 16:18:17 | Mindship-03 | Oof, I run that too, but with my own kernel. |
| 16:18:22 | XavierGr | I will try wave files |
| 16:18:52 | Mindship-03 | try grep SCSI /boot/conf<tab> |
| 16:19:07 | Mindship-03 | there must be some line telling SCSI-disk or so... |
| 16:19:16 | Mindship-03 | (don't know, I'm at school now) |
| 16:19:37 | RedBreva^ | is that press the tab key, or type <tab>? sorry - real newbie.. |
| 16:20:04 | Mindship-03 | press it! |
| 16:20:09 | Mindship-03 | autocompletion |
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| 16:20:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: What sort of headphones are you using? Maybe they're more noticeable on yours or something |
| 16:20:57 | XavierGr | I hope that would be the case, but I am testing right now with some very crappy ones. |
| 16:21:08 | XavierGr | But I will test with other phones too. |
| 16:21:27 | XavierGr | I will try and record the pops for you to hear later. |
| 16:22:41 | RedBreva^ | two screens of info... What am I looking for? |
| 16:22:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm using PX100s, so they're fairly decent. |
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| 16:23:17 | Mindship-03 | lol... you can scroll using less, or ctrl-alt-pgup |
| 16:23:42 | Mindship-03 | you need to see if it says SCSI-disk=y (or alike) somewhere |
| 16:24:02 | pondlife | lostlogic: Why should selection from the browser be any different from next track selection? Next track works great even with very long tracks where it's unlikely to have the next track buffered... |
| 16:24:36 | klrspz | has anyone reported any issues with powering off on an iPod? |
| 16:25:37 | klrspz | i let mine "idle power-off" last night, but it looked like the screen had some articles still left on it, after 3 hours of letting it sit it had dropped 10% battery power, i put it in retail os, let it sit for another 3 hours and it didn't drop but maybe 1% battery power |
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| 16:25:48 | XavierGr | at least crossfade works perfect!!! |
| 16:26:11 | goffa | whee.. a feature i'll never use :) |
| 16:26:22 | klrspz | hmm.. wasn't workign for me |
| 16:26:24 | RedBreva^ | lots of CONFIG_SCSI_xxxx=m ??? |
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| 16:27:36 | RedBreva^ | Is USB-HDD something I need to enable somewhere? |
| 16:27:55 | Mindship-03 | ah, so it is a module. It is stupid of Sarge not to set things up automagically (at least, it does semi-auto with me). Perhaps Ubuntu would have been better for a newbie, but he! I learned at Debian too! |
| 16:28:00 | _FireFly_ | RedBreva^: only scsi-disk-support and usb-masstorage |
| 16:30:41 | klrspz | what does the rockbox.ipod actually contain? is that the engine? |
| 16:30:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | The binary. |
| 16:30:52 | klrspz | (i haven't built anything yet) |
| 16:30:55 | klrspz | yeah ok |
| 16:30:58 | RedBreva^ | couldn't get on with Ubuntu, but I liked the debian that was in the VMWare image, once KDE was installed, trouble was I then ran out of disk space :( |
| 16:31:00 | linuxstb | klrspz: That's the main firmware binary. |
| 16:31:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like "Rockbox.exe" but y'know... for iPod. |
| 16:31:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 16:31:17 | klrspz | yeah i getcha |
| 16:31:19 | klrspz | the elf |
| 16:31:37 | klrspz | i just got the source dl'd, just gotta decide whether i want to use the sim or not |
| 16:31:50 | klrspz | cuz i don't have a monitor for my gentoo box |
| 16:31:58 | klrspz | even though i DO have FB set up |
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| 16:41:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: Did you check the linecount changes resulting from your rework recently? |
| 16:41:17 | * | amiconn is curious |
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| 16:43:04 | webguest72 | hi |
| 16:43:20 | RedBreva^ | WooooOooo... mount /dev/sde1 /mnt Thank you Google |
| 16:43:20 | RedBreva^ | and Mindship-03 for pointing me in the right direction... |
| 16:43:59 | Mindship-03 | Remember this feeling. You'll be seeking for it a lot as a Linux newbie. |
| 16:44:02 | klrspz | http://www.patriciawaller.com/images.html |
| 16:44:12 | petur | amiconn: you mean bytecount of course |
| 16:44:13 | klrspz | RedBreva^, might wanna make a folder under /mnt |
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| 16:44:44 | webguest72 | i need help ...! i want to record with my "jukebox recorder 20" over lineIn but it will record only mono ?! .... |
| 16:45:21 | RedBreva^ | how do I un-mount it ? |
| 16:45:30 | Mikachu | umount |
| 16:45:54 | RedBreva^ | tried that - command not found - |
| 16:46:04 | | Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 16:46:06 | Mikachu | sure you didn't type unmount? |
| 16:46:14 | RedBreva^ | Ahhhh! |
| 16:46:16 | | Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:46:38 | RedBreva^ | Now the device is busy ;( |
| 16:46:41 | webguest72 | spricht hier jemand deutsch ?! |
| 16:46:47 | RedBreva^ | can I force it? |
| 16:46:55 | Mikachu | RedBreva^: you can't sit in the directory when you umount it |
| 16:47:03 | lostlogic | amiconn: no, I haven't in a while. |
| 16:48:08 | lostlogic | pondlife: selecting a new track from the browser creates a new playlist which must be started, which is currently a whole different situation than a next track skip. That's not to say that it should stay that way, but that's how it is. My general thought on fixing new track from browser is to make it act a lot like a manual track skip. |
| 16:48:25 | RedBreva^ | I have closed all open windows, but its still busy... |
| 16:49:01 | goffa | lost.. i think i like that :) |
| 16:49:17 | freqmod | RedBreva^:Try to install fuser, if you don't have it("apt-get install fuser" as root). and then run "fuser -c /dev/<where it is mounted>" |
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| 16:49:51 | petur | RedBreva^: if you would have been on M$Windows, somebody would have said something like 'windows sucks' |
| 16:50:04 | pondlife | lostlogic: I guess the playlist and playback handling shouldn't be too intertwined..! Good luck (again).. |
| 16:50:16 | Mikachu | petur: but it does |
| 16:50:19 | Mikachu | ;) |
| 16:50:21 | RedBreva^ | hehehe, harsh, but true :) |
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| 16:53:36 | RedBreva^ | "fuser -c /dev/sde1" gave me "/dev/sde1: 2332" |
| 16:53:57 | freqmod | Then ps ax|grep 2332 gives you? |
| 16:54:32 | RedBreva^ | 2332 ? Ss 0:01 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0 |
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| 16:54:49 | Mikachu | wow, fam isn't dead? |
| 16:55:01 | RedBreva^ | WTF is fam? |
| 16:55:02 | Mindship-03 | Installing something in irivers mbr wouldn't make rockbox-loader unbootable, would it? |
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| 16:55:23 | freqmod | you may try to kill it, force an exit ("kill 2332") |
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| 16:57:15 | freqmod | a quick and dirty fix to the playlist/play from menu problem may be to stop the playback before the new song is started (unfortunatly it won't work that well with crossfading) |
| 16:57:25 | amiconn | Mindship-03: No, why? |
| 16:58:03 | Mindship-03 | amiconn: just to be sure ;-) |
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| 16:58:30 | amiconn | All rockbox needs to boot is a fat32 primary partition. It doesn't care about partition active flags or other stuff in the mbr |
| 16:58:35 | Mindship-03 | imagine I installed grub and the device wouldn't boot anymore! |
| 16:58:38 | lostlogic | freqmod: yes. actually that's what it tries to do now, but fails. |
| 16:58:55 | freqmod | it works when i do it manually |
| 16:59:24 | amiconn | You can partition your device as you like. Rockbox will use the first fat32 partition it can find |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:37 | Mindship-03 | amiconn: I know, I have it highly customized, but still use a floppy to boot (my computer does no USB boot, so I didn't need it). But at school USB boot is supported, and there are no floppy-drives! |
| 17:00:47 | lostlogic | freqmod: of course −− the problem is the sequence of events that happens in this case. It's a bug in how stop is processed vs. a 'automatic stop'. I may need another condition to identify automatic vs. user controlled stops for this as well as another bug. |
| 17:02:08 | lostlogic | could be that just invalidating the buffer, changing the playlist, forcing a buffer fill, and then triggering a next track event will be the better way to handle selection of a new file from the browser. |
| 17:02:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could always clear all the playlist entries but the current one, then insert the new playlist, then do a next track even, and then delete the previously playing song from the playlist, just to make things horribly complicated. :-P |
| 17:03:05 | ravon | Is there any way to set the pcm to 8bit mono? :) |
| 17:03:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Mini 2Gs display battery status, right? |
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| 17:04:58 | goffa | Paul_The_Nerd: couldn't it do that twice just to make sure its right? |
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| 17:07:02 | fairway | hi guys. i got a problem with my iaudio u3. i know this is an off-topic question but maybe still someone knows |
| 17:07:22 | fairway | I upgraded the firmware to 1.21 now the problem is that the firmware on the player is hanging while upgrading |
| 17:07:27 | fairway | and the player is going in off-mode again |
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| 17:07:53 | fairway | I would like to know how to get the player again recognized as USB drive |
| 17:08:00 | fairway | from the PC |
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| 17:08:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: pcmbuf.c has gained 27 lines of late. |
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| 17:08:52 | lostlogic | splitnode! |
| 17:11:58 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:12:08 | petur | I like the cloak of steveb :D |
| 17:12:09 | t0mas | bye bye everybody |
| 17:12:12 | t0mas | and welcome back |
| 17:12:36 | t0mas | lol |
| 17:12:38 | t0mas | "steve@about/cooking/nakedchef/risotto/steveb" |
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| 17:13:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | That was fun. |
| 17:13:11 | RedBreva^ | Not sure what happen then... but so good so far, but still puzled... I have now mounted my H140 to /mnt/iriver, and can see it in the file manager, but have no access to delete or modify the files in there... |
| 17:13:23 | RedBreva^ | Ok, thats what happend then! |
| 17:13:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Is "low buffer whatzit" a technical term? |
| 17:13:41 | amiconn | Bah, the usual freenode-crapping-out problem again |
| 17:13:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wants the cloak "@do/not/ask/me/where/to/get/roms/or/else" |
| 17:13:48 | steveb | hmmm? |
| 17:14:03 | fairway | I upgraded the firmware to 1.21 now the problem is that the firmware on the player is hanging while upgrading |
| 17:14:05 | fairway | I would like to know how to get the player again recognized as USB drive |
| 17:14:14 | steveb | yes. freenodes usual crappy splits |
| 17:14:28 | steveb | petur: you should have seen it a few months ago |
| 17:14:47 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, and so is "twitchy" |
| 17:15:14 | RedBreva^ | anyone? how to write enable /mnt/iriver, or do I have to work with it as root? |
| 17:15:27 | steveb | steve@director/ircguide/about/seo/about/fish/about/uk |
| 17:15:30 | Mikachu | RedBreva^: man mount |
| 17:15:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: Contact iAudio support. |
| 17:15:32 | steveb | i think i had something else as well |
| 17:15:53 | Mikachu | RedBreva^: you want -o uid |
| 17:15:55 | lostlogic | RedBreva^: that depends on your configuration −− you can make a mount that users can mount and be rw. |
| 17:16:52 | freqmod | RedBeva^: This is my mount command for my ipod writable from my user (freqmod) mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod/ -o iocharset=utf8,uid=freqmod,utf8,shortname=mixed -t vfat |
| 17:17:25 | Mikachu | you don't need utf8 twice |
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| 17:17:43 | lostlogic | /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod vfat sync,noauto,user,umask=177,dmask=077,noexec 0 0 |
| 17:17:50 | lostlogic | my fstab entry for ipod that allows users to mount it. |
| 17:17:53 | freqmod | Mikachu:yea, wathevar, it works |
| 17:18:02 | freqmod | *whatever |
| 17:18:35 | Mikachu | :) |
| 17:19:20 | freqmod | i used to let kde/hal manage it but linux-2.6.17-rc1 has a problem with it (linux-2.6.16-rc6 works) |
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| 17:19:30 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 17:19:30 | Jungti1234 | I have problem |
| 17:20:11 | amiconn | My debian auto-mounts the iriver when plugging in |
| 17:20:28 | Jungti1234 | If is going to play music, must press NAVI button two times. |
| 17:20:31 | amiconn | Now if I knew how to tell it to turn off write caching... |
| 17:20:53 | Jungti1234 | Is it normal? |
| 17:21:13 | Mikachu | amiconn: you probably don't want to do that |
| 17:21:36 | freqmod | Jungti1234: It is a current bug that if you play some music, and then selects something else from the file/tagcache view it does not work the first time. |
| 17:21:46 | Mikachu | the linux fat driver writes out the fat after every block it writes or something like that |
| 17:21:49 | | Quit m ("Visit www.DiggIRC.com today!") |
| 17:22:00 | Mikachu | if you have write caching turned off |
| 17:22:41 | freqmod | read near the end of the log of this channel for more information ( http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt ) |
| 17:22:42 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
| 17:22:58 | lostlogic | amiconn: just add sync to the options? |
| 17:23:07 | amiconn | Mikachu: I do want that. I am used to just pull the usb plug |
| 17:23:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: To which options? |
| 17:23:27 | amiconn | The device is auto-mounted just by plugging it in |
| 17:23:42 | lostlogic | amiconn: there will be an automount config entry for usb mass storage devices, to which you can add sync... |
| 17:23:57 | lostlogic | never used automount or supermount or such myself so I don't know where specifically |
| 17:23:59 | Mikachu | you will most likely confuse linux usb block device driver if you unplug it without umount-/eject-ing it first |
| 17:24:06 | amiconn | Now if I knew where |
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| 17:24:24 | amiconn | Mikachu: Then that's a clear disadvantage of linux |
| 17:24:28 | _FireFly_ | amiconn is hal used to create the fstab entry ? |
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| 17:24:40 | Mikachu | amiconn: yes, the usb mass storage driver is not perfect |
| 17:24:40 | amiconn | _FireFly_: I dunno |
| 17:24:51 | Mikachu | it craps out less if you eject properly |
| 17:24:57 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: vfat usb-flashdisk and sync option are a bad group ;) |
| 17:25:02 | amiconn | It just works in gnome; have no idea how |
| 17:25:18 | _FireFly_ | then it is hal if you get an fstab entry for the drive |
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| 17:25:23 | lostlogic | amiconn: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
| 17:25:52 | lostlogic | seems to be related to this, but as a non-debian, non-anything-automatic linux user, I'm just guessing and googling ;) |
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| 17:27:13 | _FireFly_ | amiconn search for vfat in the files in /usr/share/hal/fdi |
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| 17:29:21 | Jungti1234 | hey, Is it bug? |
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| 17:34:03 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: that question didn't translate right. |
| 17:36:25 | amiconn | bah :/ |
| 17:37:20 | Jungti1234 | um |
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| 17:39:06 | Jungti1234 | If play music, It must press NAVI button two times. |
| 17:39:51 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: to select a new song while music is playing? |
| 17:39:59 | amiconn | Jungti1234: You probably have the option "1st keypress enables backlight only" enabled |
| 17:40:17 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 17:40:19 | amiconn | If this is the case, and the backlight is off, the behaviour is by design |
| 17:40:39 | Jungti1234 | If I press NAVI button once, music is begun. |
| 17:41:06 | Jungti1234 | But, soon it ends. |
| 17:41:37 | Jungti1234 | Then, I must press NAVI button again and play music. |
| 17:41:39 | Jungti1234 | or Play button |
| 17:42:06 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: and this is immediately after starting the player, with no music playing? |
| 17:42:19 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 17:42:33 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: ? |
| 17:42:38 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 17:42:52 | | Part lwithers |
| 17:43:22 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: what was the state of the player when this problem occurred. was music playing, or was it idle? |
| 17:43:30 | Jungti1234 | you have H300? |
| 17:43:41 | lostlogic | no, I have an ipod. |
| 17:43:51 | Jungti1234 | Music was playing. |
| 17:43:55 | lostlogic | known bug. |
| 17:44:07 | lostlogic | am vaguely working on it |
| 17:44:14 | Jungti1234 | Is it bug? |
| 17:44:21 | lostlogic | it is a bug. |
| 17:44:26 | Jungti1234 | Do you understand? |
| 17:44:53 | Gargamale | Anyone ever seent he iPod stick on the rockbox loading the screen, the screen that has your CVS date ont he bottom? |
| 17:44:55 | lostlogic | yes |
| 17:45:04 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 17:45:16 | lostlogic | Gargamale: a user just reported that to me when a voice file is present on ipod video. |
| 17:45:31 | Gargamale | Voice file? |
| 17:45:39 | Jungti1234 | lostlogic: It may be fixed soon, right? |
| 17:45:47 | lostlogic | hmm.... well that's not the one you're having then. |
| 17:45:59 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: it's in the queue with a lot of other playback related bugs currently |
| 17:46:01 | Gargamale | lostlogic: Where would it reside and what file extension? |
| 17:46:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: It'd be .voice and in the langs folder |
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| 17:47:40 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 17:47:40 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 17:47:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: There's several things that can make it hang on that screen. I found that Dircache was doing it for me with a build from yesterda. |
| 17:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: This was on an H120 though |
| 17:47:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gargamale: If you reset your settings, does it freeze with the "Settings Cleared" displayed? |
| 17:48:30 | Gargamale | I never get past that screen |
| 17:48:35 | Gargamale | So no resetting settings |
| 17:48:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Umm |
| 17:48:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can reset settings before/at that screen |
| 17:48:58 | Gargamale | Via? |
| 17:49:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | By enabling the hold switch immediately after powering on. |
| 17:49:11 | Gargamale | O yeah |
| 17:49:21 | Gargamale | Forgot about that trick |
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| 17:49:30 | Gargamale | I found that voice file in langs too |
| 17:49:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 17:49:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then just delete the .voice file for now (or move it to another folder) |
| 17:49:55 | Gargamale | yeah |
| 17:50:07 | Gargamale | Im also gonna upgrade to 0425 |
| 17:50:14 | Gargamale | I had the same problems with 0423 and 0424 |
| 17:50:21 | Gargamale | But I bet its the voice file thing |
| 17:50:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Prolly |
| 17:50:40 | Gargamale | Even though I put that on there like 2 weeks ago |
| 17:51:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the voice bugs have come in and out |
| 17:51:56 | Gargamale | That worked |
| 17:51:58 | Gargamale | Thank ye |
| 17:53:30 | Gargamale | I frickin love rockbox |
| 17:53:44 | Gargamale | I love the ability to design it as I see fit |
| 17:55:11 | lostlogic | yeah, 4/24 still had the voice file bug. |
| 17:55:32 | Gargamale | Right on, easily solved |
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| 17:56:17 | * | goffa would love the ablility to design it as he saw fit.. |
| 17:56:24 | goffa | might actually have to start learning c |
| 17:56:27 | goffa | scary thought |
| 17:56:34 | lostlogic | goffa: was gonna say, it's opensource, do what you want :) |
| 17:56:45 | Gargamale | Woah |
| 17:56:48 | Gargamale | ID3 is fixed |
| 17:56:53 | Gargamale | It was pulling track numbers wrong |
| 17:57:00 | goffa | wel... i have the FREEDOM to change.. just not the ability at this point |
| 17:57:25 | Gargamale | How so? |
| 17:57:53 | preglow | ahh, another lovely mailing list mail that was never meant to be... |
| 17:57:57 | Gargamale | Shuts down way bette rnow too lostlogic |
| 17:58:13 | Gargamale | 0425 is teh bombz0r |
| 17:58:37 | Gargamale | Need to check if crossfade makes playback stutter later |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:10 | lostlogic | Gargamale: I'm working on crossfade at this second, so you might want to grab a bleeding edge later before you look into it. |
| 18:00:49 | Gargamale | Cools |
| 18:00:59 | Gargamale | There were crossfade updates in 0425 too, eh? |
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| 18:01:15 | lostlogic | unsure, I can never tell when the damn dailies are built :-P |
| 18:01:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, trust ye not in the daily build for it may lead ye astray. Put thy faith instead in the bleeding edge so that ye may know what ye shall receive. |
| 18:02:01 | lostlogic | uhh... what he said. |
| 18:02:13 | Gargamale | Bleeding edges arent compiled, though, are they? |
| 18:02:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah they are |
| 18:02:24 | Gargamale | URL? |
| 18:02:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The CVS Builds page from the front page |
| 18:02:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points out that it says "Builds" and not "Sources" ;-) |
| 18:03:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: Afaik the dailies are built at 6:00 am cet (or maybe cest during summer) |
| 18:03:25 | lostlogic | ah, that's not so bad... 11pm my time |
| 18:04:21 | lostlogic | I reconfigured the flush_crossfade function like 123123098 times in the last day in order to try and avoid a goto. IT"S GETTING A DAMN GOTO NOW *cough* to improve crossfade performance and stuff. |
| 18:04:38 | | Quit Mindship-03 ("byre") |
| 18:05:05 | Gargamale | So the dailies just commit whateve ris in the CVS @ 6 |
| 18:05:18 | lostlogic | Gargamale: yeah, that's why Paul and I keep telling people to use CVS builds. |
| 18:05:27 | Gargamale | Yeah Im a dolt |
| 18:05:30 | Gargamale | Sorry |
| 18:05:37 | Gargamale | Im on it, nigglet |
| 18:05:40 | lostlogic | not your fault, every does it ;) |
| 18:05:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 18:05:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yuuuup |
| 18:05:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 18:05:51 | lostlogic | every/everyone/ |
| 18:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | My big concern is how many people think the dailies are somehow magically "more stable" and judge rockbox performance on a bad daily |
| 18:06:06 | lostlogic | mmhmm |
| 18:06:07 | Gargamale | O no |
| 18:06:13 | Gargamale | I know the stable builds are stable |
| 18:06:20 | Gargamale | The oes listed as official release |
| 18:06:26 | Gargamale | I know those are the only "stable" |
| 18:06:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, even 2.5 has a few complaints levied against it. |
| 18:06:34 | Gargamale | I just like having the latest features |
| 18:06:43 | Gargamale | And Im willing to do some bug testing to have those features |
| 18:07:02 | Gargamale | In fact I like doing the testing, makes me feel like Im helping |
| 18:07:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 18:07:12 | Gargamale | Feel, being operative |
| 18:07:19 | lostlogic | testing is useful... |
| 18:07:29 | Gargamale | Unless I find the same shit you already know about |
| 18:07:32 | Gargamale | Which has been the case |
| 18:07:34 | Gargamale | :P |
| 18:07:40 | lostlogic | Gargamale: ;) |
| 18:07:46 | Gargamale | Like the stutter playback while scrolling |
| 18:07:53 | lostlogic | Gargamale: you'll have a better chance of being first report on CVS builds ;) |
| 18:08:00 | Gargamale | Yeah, I realize that |
| 18:08:03 | Gargamale | Now |
| 18:08:04 | Gargamale | hehe |
| 18:08:16 | Gargamale | I know you guys probably dont hear much of this, but thank you |
| 18:08:24 | Gargamale | You fixed my iPod from being gay |
| 18:08:35 | lostlogic | damn, we can adjust things' sexuality!? |
| 18:08:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm often the last to know about a bug, but the first to test a fix that works. Which is often quite suitable for me. ;-) |
| 18:08:44 | Gargamale | I hated the damn white and blue gayass UI on the Apple fw |
| 18:09:09 | | Join Farpnut [0] (n=solo84@cm65.sigma6.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 18:09:11 | Gargamale | My eyes conform to white on black much better |
| 18:10:23 | Gargamale | When I say gay, I mean stupid, it's slang around here (Indiana) for stupid or uncool |
| 18:10:38 | | Join ScootScat_ [0] (n=yeahrigh@71-80-131-108.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) |
| 18:10:54 | Gargamale | Who wants to convert a font for me? |
| 18:10:55 | | Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-11-134.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 18:10:57 | Gargamale | Dont all volunteer |
| 18:11:58 | freqmod | If you are on (UNIX) linux you may use, and then rockbox's bdf2fnt, if not i may do it: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
| 18:12:05 | Gargamale | I know |
| 18:12:07 | Gargamale | But Im not |
| 18:12:14 | freqmod | which font? |
| 18:12:22 | Gargamale | And I don feel like installing configuring cygwin just to convert one font |
| 18:12:26 | Gargamale | Haxrcorp |
| 18:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, VMWare s much faster to install/configure |
| 18:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since it's mostly one-click |
| 18:12:47 | freqmod | (where) do I get that? |
| 18:12:56 | Gargamale | http://www.dafont.com/haxrcorp-s8.font |
| 18:13:40 | Gargamale | Its a clean small font I like for indexing music |
| 18:13:49 | Gargamale | Used it on the Apple fw |
| 18:13:57 | | Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081BC93.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:15:15 | freqmod | "file HaxrCorp_S8.fon" gives "HaxrCorp_S8.fon: NE executable for MS Windows 3.x" |
| 18:15:46 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: want to tell the low buffer twitchiness crowd on the forums that when the next next build completes their bug should go bye bye. |
| 18:16:06 | Gargamale | freqmod: Not in a valid format? |
| 18:16:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: That was the "Crossfade does funny sounding things that aren't *quite* right" thing? |
| 18:17:00 | freqmod | Gargamale: I think so, otf2bdf gives a segmentation fault :( |
| 18:17:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | With the whatzit and such? |
| 18:17:09 | Gargamale | Suckie |
| 18:17:48 | Gargamale | freqmod: http://www.customize.org/details/37721 |
| 18:18:00 | | Quit Farpenoodle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:18:04 | freqmod | maybe a fon2bdf exists... |
| 18:18:27 | Gargamale | Or a fon2ttf |
| 18:18:39 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: nvm, managed to post my own lazy self :) |
| 18:18:50 | freqmod | nope, fon&bdf is pixmap fonts ttf are vector |
| 18:19:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Hahaha. Bah. |
| 18:19:51 | lostlogic | ok, I officially declare crossfade working. |
| 18:19:56 | Moos | preglow: around? |
| 18:19:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good. |
| 18:20:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now fix something important. :-P |
| 18:20:07 | Moos | lostlogic: wee \o/ |
| 18:20:18 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ugh −− yeah, play/stop, or play/select new are next victims. |
| 18:20:25 | Moos | lostlogic: let's try it first ;P |
| 18:20:26 | preglow | Moos: yea |
| 18:21:13 | * | lostlogic turns crossfade the heck off |
| 18:21:16 | Moos | preglow: the patch is simply "marvellous" perfect seeking+some performences improuvments |
| 18:21:17 | Gargamale | freqmod: http://www.proggyfonts.com/fontforums/viewtopic.php?p=200&highlight=&sid=aad1e809be85ac5dccaaeb4cb5d9bc7c |
| 18:21:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Still, you got a \o/, doesn't that make it all worth it? |
| 18:21:36 | Moos | preglow: just the annoying last song bug :( |
| 18:21:40 | lostlogic | :) |
| 18:21:46 | Moos | preglow: any thought about? |
| 18:21:53 | Gargamale | No more last songs! |
| 18:21:56 | scott666_ | Anyone know a trick around the the 'The device cannot be stopped right now. Try stopping the device later' error? |
| 18:22:04 | Gargamale | In Windows? |
| 18:22:07 | scott666_ | yup |
| 18:22:10 | Gargamale | Close iTunes |
| 18:22:16 | scott666_ | i dont use itunes |
| 18:22:18 | Moos | goffa: around? |
| 18:22:19 | Gargamale | Or anything using the ipod |
| 18:22:24 | Gargamale | Or device |
| 18:22:29 | scott666_ | there isnt anything usising the ipod |
| 18:22:38 | scott666_ | otherwise i wouldnt be asking |
| 18:22:41 | Gargamale | You can double click and manually stop it |
| 18:22:42 | preglow | Moos: you mean the hang at the end of the track? |
| 18:22:44 | | Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) |
| 18:22:50 | Moos | yeah :( |
| 18:22:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Oooh... Is there an open bug for "Random track change in the middle of a song"? |
| 18:22:57 | Moos | hi RotAtoR |
| 18:23:07 | RotAtoR | hi Moos |
| 18:23:15 | Gargamale | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah its called you sat on the FF button, j.k. |
| 18:23:18 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: probably relates to having previously confused playback buffer, recommend stop playback and resume. |
| 18:23:38 | scott666_ | Gargamale: double clicking and going in and choosing the ipod results in the same error |
| 18:23:45 | RotAtoR | Looks like there's some musepack testing to be done? |
| 18:23:52 | preglow | Moos: should be a simple bug |
| 18:23:58 | Moos | yep |
| 18:24:04 | preglow | RotAtoR: feel free to test the musepack seek patch on some of your files, please :) |
| 18:24:07 | preglow | dinnertiume! |
| 18:24:07 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: and that is also on my list of wtfs −− sometimes skips are still not landing on the right buffer used / buffer read point and its resulting in varoius stupidity. |
| 18:24:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I haven't pressed a button since I started playback |
| 18:24:12 | lostlogic | oh... |
| 18:24:14 | RotAtoR | preglow: sure :) |
| 18:24:14 | Moos | lostlogic: is possible you introduced this musepack bug? |
| 18:24:17 | lostlogic | uhh, then no, there isn't a bug open for it. |
| 18:24:36 | lostlogic | Moos: It's vaguely possible, annotate the mpc.c file and see what I did to it |
| 18:24:53 | Moos | RotAtoR: the patch work like a charm here, just the skeep problem |
| 18:25:09 | Moos | lostlogic: you was the last to touch it :p |
| 18:25:10 | Moos | :) |
| 18:25:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It was in a flac song. Playback dropped out, the disk started reading, playback resumed, dropped out, then came back on a different song. It skipped over one, to the one after. |
| 18:25:15 | amiconn | Hrmph, build system seems to hang again |
| 18:25:19 | RotAtoR | Moos: ok, i had tried earlier versions of the patches and they seemed to work fairly well |
| 18:25:22 | amiconn | Bagder? t0mas? |
| 18:25:28 | t0mas | hanging? |
| 18:25:38 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ahh, I assume the song is > 30m? |
| 18:25:40 | t0mas | no... |
| 18:25:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Also, my Codec Buffer is in the negatives again. |
| 18:25:49 | Moos | lostlogic: there are no auto skeep after end of song anymore for mpcs |
| 18:25:51 | freqmod | Gargamale: i am fetching the wine source and see if i find a fnt2bdf converter it it. |
| 18:26:00 | lostlogic | Moos: huh? |
| 18:26:08 | Gargamale | freqmod: You are a good man/friend |
| 18:26:11 | Gargamale | Thank ye |
| 18:26:13 | Moos | RotAtoR: yeah!!! +less boost ratio |
| 18:26:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: The song was ~5 minutes... "The Invisible Man" by Queen. |
| 18:26:21 | amiconn | t0mas: Ah ok, now it finished |
| 18:26:22 | RotAtoR | Moos: Nice!! |
| 18:26:37 | t0mas | amiconn: give it some time :) |
| 18:26:38 | amiconn | Somehow the build times are going up quite a bit |
| 18:26:49 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: how big is a 5m flac? |
| 18:27:01 | Gargamale | Too damn big |
| 18:27:06 | scott666_ | Gargamale: The solution was to kill Explorer in task manager and restart it |
| 18:27:06 | amiconn | The log is looking a bit mangled: SRVPRN00 (WSUS), |
| 18:27:08 | Moos | lostlogic: for mpcs, when track 1s or 2 before finish, it hang, and need to manually skeep for next track, any thought? |
| 18:27:11 | amiconn | woops |
| 18:27:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Un momento, por favor. |
| 18:27:17 | Gargamale | scott666_: Thanks for the tip |
| 18:27:22 | lostlogic | Moos: it's known, I think preglow was looking at it yesterady |
| 18:27:24 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/dbg-2006-04-25%2016:13:45.log |
| 18:27:30 | Gargamale | scott666_: Sounds like Explorer left a file in use and crashed |
| 18:27:37 | t0mas | amiconn: we have a new server |
| 18:27:41 | t0mas | still filling ccache |
| 18:27:42 | scott666_ | yeah |
| 18:27:46 | amiconn | towards the end there are incomplete lines |
| 18:27:48 | t0mas | so that might be the time problem :) |
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| 18:28:11 | Moos | lostlogic: yeah we all know it, but how to fix it? that is the question, it seems that's your changes making this ;P |
| 18:28:18 | lostlogic | t0mas: have you developed a protocol for dropping servers who are more likely to hold up the process overall? |
| 18:28:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: ~26.1mb. |
| 18:28:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It stopped somewhere in the middle, I assume it was the last track in the buffer. |
| 18:28:37 | amiconn | Wow, 494 seconds for _one_ build... |
| 18:28:37 | t0mas | lostlogic: not yet, we've done that manually the last 2 times |
| 18:28:46 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, just near the size of the file buffer, can you compare its size to the size of the buffer in bytes? |
| 18:29:02 | lostlogic | t0mas: ah, so you have done it, cool. |
| 18:29:14 | amiconn | That almost looks like my cygwin compile times |
| 18:29:22 | t0mas | yeah, but more like "hey... this is slow... wait 2 days and remove it if it's still slow" |
| 18:29:28 | lostlogic | makes sense. |
| 18:29:32 | Gargamale | So 26MB FLAC is teh devil? |
| 18:29:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: My codec buffer is listed a 30228860, the file 27,374,924 (according to windows, and on a different disk.) |
| 18:29:46 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, so it's not what I thought, thanks. |
| 18:30:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It cut out at about 50% through the song. My best guess it was the last song on the buffer, and it sounded like it decoded faster than the codec buffer could refill. |
| 18:30:41 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hmmmmmm, tis possible, good point! |
| 18:30:41 | * | t0mas runs off |
| 18:30:43 | t0mas | time to eat |
| 18:30:45 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: when you starting coding? :) |
| 18:30:49 | | Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) |
| 18:30:53 | goffa | Moos: you still here? |
| 18:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: When the forums are finally at peace. :-P |
| 18:31:17 | lostlogic | lol, as if :) |
| 18:31:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, yeah |
| 18:31:38 | Moos | goffa: hi, just remenbered you spoted the last mpc build w/o the current bug, right? |
| 18:31:44 | goffa | yeah |
| 18:32:06 | goffa | or the last one i used anyway |
| 18:32:11 | Moos | which one? |
| 18:32:17 | freqmod | btw. some dejavu etc rockbox fonts with screenshots: freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rbfnt/">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rbfnt/ |
| 18:32:20 | goffa | um... was saturday... |
| 18:32:21 | goffa | let me look |
| 18:32:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I'm waiting to see what happens when the "negative" buffer empties. |
| 18:32:28 | Moos | goffa: thanks |
| 18:32:33 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it's going to blow up. I promise. |
| 18:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Ooooh. Well, 5 tracks to detonation. |
| 18:33:10 | Gargamale | freqmod: Not a fan of serifs |
| 18:33:22 | lostlogic | bagh, getting emailed that an ipod 5g user is having freeze at boot with voice file on the latest builds... wtf. |
| 18:33:31 | freqmod | maybe the sans is better:/ |
| 18:33:32 | Gargamale | I had that |
| 18:33:39 | Gargamale | I deleted voice file though |
| 18:33:41 | Gargamale | Remember? |
| 18:33:46 | goffa | Moos: i think it was 2006 22 Apr 13:06 |
| 18:33:51 | lostlogic | Gargamale: yeah, but with the latest build is it still a problem? |
| 18:34:07 | Gargamale | 0425? DUnno, I deleted file before doing 0425 |
| 18:34:13 | lostlogic | because I have a voice file on my ipod 5g and don't have the problem |
| 18:34:18 | Gargamale | o |
| 18:34:51 | Moos | goffa: ok, then the bug came with the first big voice commit of lostlogic |
| 18:34:59 | scott666_ | does doom usually leave a black screen and spin the HD before it actually starts? |
| 18:35:30 | goffa | Moos: i think so |
| 18:35:47 | Gargamale | freqmod: http://www.sdconsult.no/linux/wine-doc/fonts.html |
| 18:35:48 | goffa | but then i skipped a couple of builds too |
| 18:35:55 | scott666_ | hmm, nevermind, it actually says 'data abort (some hex)' |
| 18:35:57 | goffa | after that |
| 18:36:18 | lostlogic | hmm... I did touch the codecs in there, so somehow, my changes ot exit conditions and track change conditions caused mpc to have ... issues. |
| 18:36:28 | Moos | lostlogic: any luck you take a look quicly at the changes you made on mpc.c and see if something don't look good? |
| 18:36:34 | _FireFly_ | freqmod: your images are a bit colorfull ;) |
| 18:36:40 | lostlogic | Moos: not at the moment, but it's now on the list. |
| 18:36:44 | Moos | lostlogic: ok |
| 18:36:44 | * | freqmod is compiling wine |
| 18:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | A question I cannot answer: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3828.0 (Regarding if the PCM can play 8-bit audio, and how to use the get_more_pcm function) |
| 18:37:16 | Gargamale | freqmod: Rock on, thanks for helping |
| 18:37:26 | ravon | oh :D |
| 18:37:43 | Moos | hehe ravon's question :) |
| 18:38:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh, didn't realize ravon was still in the room. :) |
| 18:38:11 | Moos | :) |
| 18:38:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is a better place than the boards for the actual technical stuff. |
| 18:38:32 | Moos | indeed |
| 18:38:34 | ravon | Yeah, asked at work, but I had to rush home. |
| 18:38:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | 90% of the time, I'm the person answering questions on the board, and you may not know this but I just make stuff up as I go along and trust these guys to come by and occasionally correct my more serious mistakes. ;-) |
| 18:39:09 | ravon | haha |
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| 18:39:38 | RotAtoR | Hmm, the musepack patch is giving all sorts of failed hunks, should it apply cleanly? |
| 18:39:46 | ravon | Paul_The_Nerd: Every time I see your name Radix's module Paul the Kinder Penguin pops up in my head. |
| 18:39:50 | lostlogic | ravon: answered to the best of my ability, you pest. |
| 18:40:23 | Moos | RotAtoR: I tried with build preglow made, then I don't know what he did make |
| 18:40:34 | Moos | no problems here |
| 18:40:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | ravon: Hahaha. And yeah, go check your thread. :-P |
| 18:40:36 | RotAtoR | Moos: ahh, ok |
| 18:41:31 | ravon | lostlogic: Oh sweet, thanks! I'll swallow these mad toasts and read your reply. |
| 18:41:38 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: do you understand WTF dr.dns is saying? I can't tell what he's doing, nor what the expected behavior is, nor really what the problem is :( |
| 18:43:10 | klrspz | anyone see the issue i stated earlier about power on the ipod? |
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| 18:45:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Let me reread it real quick. I *think* I've got it. |
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| 18:47:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It sounds like he's got "Only on my box" style problems, since one of his things is that it's not shuffling even when shuffle is set to "on" |
| 18:47:51 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I think that's just because it won't reshuffle an existing playlist if you change to shuffle with playback stopped and then resume |
| 18:48:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Well, he said he selected a new song. |
| 18:48:11 | lostlogic | but it's really hard to tell, because he doesn't write in any semblance of clear thought patterns |
| 18:48:40 | crashd | evening guys |
| 18:48:43 | crashd | how's it going ? |
| 18:48:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Don't worry about it for now. I'll do my usual "Talk them through explaining a step by step process to get the problem to happen" and see if I can get a full detailed report of some sort. |
| 18:48:52 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: rock on |
| 18:48:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It didn't explode! |
| 18:49:01 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: wtf, what'd it do???? |
| 18:49:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It started refilling, and wend positive again. |
| 18:49:12 | lostlogic | you're shitting me. |
| 18:49:27 | lostlogic | and it's still playing? In a relatively sane manner? |
| 18:49:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It was at "track count: 2" and then the PCM buffer bottomed out, and it righted itself. |
| 18:49:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | 100% sane |
| 18:49:41 | lostlogic | I'm scared. |
| 18:49:52 | lostlogic | that shouldn't be possible. |
| 18:50:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I... I don't understand... |
| 18:50:14 | crashd | what state is playback in atm lostlogic, i wanna make a patched build with SID that'll be stable for a few days whilst im AFK |
| 18:50:21 | RotAtoR | preglow: do have a musepack patch that applies cleanly to latest cvs? |
| 18:50:23 | lostlogic | I was going to remove that filebufused variable at one point, maybe I made it unimportant, so even though it was effed up it didn't cause other trouble? |
| 18:50:37 | lostlogic | crashd: it's pretty sane... see the wiki page for what I know abotu |
| 18:50:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: If you CVS update RIGHT NOW, you should get a pretty okay build, as long as you're not me and getting crazy negative Codec Buffers. |
| 18:50:43 | klrspz | i let mine "idle power-off" last night, but it looked like the screen had some articles still left on it, after 3 hours of letting it sit it had dropped 10% battery power, i put it in retail os, let it sit for another 3 hours and it didn't drop but maybe 1% battery power |
| 18:51:03 | Mikachu | klrspz: your what? |
| 18:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: You said that exact thing hours ago. |
| 18:51:22 | crashd | which wiki page issit lostlogic :) |
| 18:51:27 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it's not just you... I got that negative buffer once or twice when messing with crossfade, but couldn't reproduce reliably |
| 18:51:28 | klrspz | Paul_The_Nerd, i know, i had asked 8 min ago if anyone had seen it to see if anyone had the same problem |
| 18:51:33 | lostlogic | crashd: SoftwareCodecPlayback |
| 18:51:39 | crashd | ahh yeah |
| 18:51:40 | crashd | cheers |
| 18:51:45 | klrspz | Mikachu, my ipod nano |
| 18:51:47 | lostlogic | it's my dump zone for stuff related to playback |
| 18:52:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: But you're not specifying an issue. The retail OS suspends after a few minutes of not pressing anything. Did you do anything to keep it from doing this? |
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| 18:52:45 | klrspz | Paul_The_Nerd, no the point was that both OS's shut themselves down, RB didn't seem to actually shut down but rather disable any processing.. the screen still had very very light artifacts on it |
| 18:52:50 | klrspz | as if it still had power to it |
| 18:53:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: Well, if you don't clear the screen before shutting down, those can be left. It used to show them on a proper shutdown too, but it was changed. |
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| 18:56:14 | pondlife | Silly question - should crossfade work on skip backwards? |
| 18:56:31 | Mikachu | my next wps tags don't show anything |
| 18:58:06 | lostlogic | pondlife: there is nothing in th ecode to say no, but often skips backwards are off buffer which disables it |
| 18:59:02 | pondlife | OK |
| 18:59:09 | Gargamale | I think it'd rewind the song |
| 18:59:22 | Gargamale | And the buffer from the previous song would be gone by then |
| 18:59:24 | Gargamale | I think |
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| 18:59:39 | pondlife | I thought it used to do that - that's all. Might be imagining more problems for lostlogic...! |
| 18:59:54 | lostlogic | Garga-Lunch: it's possible to trigger a successful backwards crossfade |
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| 19:00:21 | pondlife | I use crossfade as a kind of party mode, to keep that music going without any obvious breaks. |
| 19:00:33 | klrspz | Paul_The_Nerd, so what exactly are you saying? that's normal? |
| 19:00:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: I'm saying that if you just cut off power to an LCD, they often do that. Have you ever played with a GBA or Nintendo DS? |
| 19:00:55 | klrspz | i mean in 3 hours my ipod dropped 10% battery as if i had it on playing, in RetailOS it acted like it was completely shut off |
| 19:01:17 | pondlife | Could out-of-buffer crossfades be delayed until the required buffering has taken place? i.e. prefer continuity over responsiveness |
| 19:01:18 | klrspz | nah, i mean i've seen lcd's have artifacts when isntantly cut off, but they usually fade once the power has drained |
| 19:01:24 | klrspz | these never faded |
| 19:01:55 | pondlife | Implementation to be post-3.0, of course! |
| 19:01:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it woke up fine after the 3 hours? |
| 19:02:07 | klrspz | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah it woke up, with 1% battery power left |
| 19:02:13 | klrspz | 3.3 minutes apparently |
| 19:02:18 | klrspz | so i charged it back up to 50% |
| 19:02:24 | * | pondlife has to cycle off now. |
| 19:02:37 | klrspz | , then did the same thing with retail os, and after 3 hours i saw it go from 50 down to 49 |
| 19:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So what you're saying is that the 10% lost was the bottom 10%, and the tests weren't both done on a full battery? |
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| 19:03:04 | klrspz | i've done it a few times now, ranging all kinds of battery power, resulting in the same outcome |
| 19:03:25 | klrspz | the reason i tested was the first time i had 100% batt power, and when i came home from work it was completely dead |
| 19:04:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | What, 10% every time the iPod is shut off for 3 hours? |
| 19:04:49 | klrspz | or more |
| 19:04:57 | klrspz | the percentage isn't really my concern |
| 19:05:09 | klrspz | it's the fact that it IS losing considerable power when it's supposed to be off |
| 19:05:21 | klrspz | where the retail os acts as expected.. you turn it off, your battery power stays the same |
| 19:05:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, is it JUST with idle, or is it with a proper shutdown too? |
| 19:05:40 | klrspz | both i believe |
| 19:05:46 | klrspz | i'll double test that tonight |
| 19:05:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, see A) You didn't specify that before |
| 19:06:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | And B) It'd be nice to know if it's an "Idle doesn't shut down thing" or if it's a "For some reason yours doesn't shut down right from rockbox thing, while mine does" |
| 19:06:15 | klrspz | k, sorry |
| 19:06:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which type of iPod do you have? |
| 19:06:32 | klrspz | nanopod, 1gig |
| 19:06:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I just tested, and mine shuts down fully with the idle poweroff. |
| 19:07:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clear screen, no artifacts or anything |
| 19:07:13 | klrspz | if you leave it off, do you wake back up to full battery? |
| 19:07:24 | klrspz | or where u left off at |
| 19:07:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, seeing as it was just shut down for a few seconds, the battery didn't have a chance to "drain" if it does. |
| 19:08:11 | klrspz | yeah, that's kind of the whole point |
| 19:08:24 | klrspz | i'm not saying it's not turning off, i'm just saying my battery is draining as if it WASN'T turned off |
| 19:08:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means you're saying it's not turning off |
| 19:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because if it was turned off, then your battery wouldn't drain. |
| 19:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me ask, after your iPod idle-shutdowns, do you see the Apple logo when you hit Menu to turn it on? |
| 19:09:20 | klrspz | yes |
| 19:09:23 | klrspz | it reboots like normal |
| 19:09:29 | klrspz | which is what i find odd |
| 19:09:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well |
| 19:09:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said it was at 1% |
| 19:09:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means it could've actually shut down from the battery dying |
| 19:10:01 | klrspz | true |
| 19:10:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | You also said there were artifacts on the screen, which notably does NOT occur with my idle shutdowns. |
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| 19:10:56 | klrspz | i just let it idle shutdown like 5 min ago, i still have artifacts on it |
| 19:11:23 | klrspz | i don't have another device to test it on |
| 19:12:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you're using our bootloader, and a clean CVS build? |
| 19:12:19 | klrspz | i just updated the cvs build this morning from the last release |
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| 19:12:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | By clean I mean "unpatched". You've answered half of the latter half of my question. |
| 19:12:53 | klrspz | yes, clean |
| 19:13:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, now you've answered half of the total question. |
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| 19:13:49 | klrspz | RB Bootloader, and actually the bleeding edge build |
| 19:14:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I've let mine idle power off. |
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| 19:14:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll check the battery in about two hours. |
| 19:14:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | We'll see if there's any notable change. |
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| 19:16:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have an appointment to get to though, I'll be back in ~1.5-2 hours, assuming my schedule doesn't magically change like it is wont to do. |
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| 19:21:59 | preglow | XavierGr: try keeping the button pressed when doing pitch adjustments |
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| 19:30:10 | freqmod | Uploaded Dejavu-sans, HaxrCorp screenshots and rockbox-fnt files: freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rbfnt/">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rbfnt/ |
| 19:30:48 | preglow | looks pretty nice |
| 19:32:09 | XavierGr | preglow: you mean for the up/down right? |
| 19:32:25 | XavierGr | because left/right is lcoked |
| 19:32:39 | XavierGr | ^locked |
| 19:32:54 | amiconn | Hrrrmmm, gcc %&# :-( |
| 19:33:21 | _FireFly_ | ? |
| 19:33:24 | preglow | XavierGr: yes |
| 19:33:31 | amiconn | Now I am unsure whether it's a good idea to use -Os on archos |
| 19:33:36 | preglow | XavierGr: you complained that 0.1 was too little. if you hold the button, the value gets bigger |
| 19:33:42 | preglow | amiconn: why? |
| 19:34:05 | amiconn | Both sh-elf-gcc 3.3.x and 3.4.x have a bug that causes out-of-range jumptables for switch() with -O2 and -Os |
| 19:34:17 | XavierGr | preglow: yes indeed, but I can't think why the left/right lock behaviour is better. |
| 19:34:18 | * | preglow shoots gcc |
| 19:34:30 | preglow | XavierGr: dj use, like it's been said over and over |
| 19:34:39 | amiconn | SH1 sign-extends, so that a byte-sized forward jumptable can use 00..7F |
| 19:34:56 | amiconn | gcc sometimes uses 80 - ouch! |
| 19:35:11 | preglow | XavierGr: why isn't the button repeat method good enough? that's what we use for faster adjustment everywhere else |
| 19:35:14 | XavierGr | preglow: and why exactly this helps dj use? The dj can quite easily press only once left/right |
| 19:35:29 | preglow | XavierGr: it needs to be fast |
| 19:35:38 | preglow | XavierGr: sometimes you don't hold it there, you just flick it really fast |
| 19:35:55 | amiconn | While I can fix these goofs case-by-case by reordering case:s, it will probably hit us sooner or later... |
| 19:36:04 | preglow | amiconn: indeed |
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| 19:36:12 | preglow | amiconn: if there's a risk of compiler bugs, i say don't use it |
| 19:36:14 | preglow | blargh |
| 19:36:17 | preglow | we need a gcc man on the team |
| 19:36:47 | amiconn | I would like to know where to find the jumptable calculation in the gcc source. Maybe it's a relatively simple fix |
| 19:37:27 | preglow | the fix isn't the hard part, finding out how the source works is the hard part |
| 19:37:54 | amiconn | The odd thing is that while gcc 3.4.6 builds smaller code than 3.3.6 with -Os, the particular switch() where I found the bug is exactly the same |
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| 19:38:22 | amiconn | firmware/sound.c, line 510ff |
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| 19:38:59 | amiconn | (but unlike 3.3.6 -Os builds, 3.4.6 -Os builds don't run at all atm) |
| 19:41:34 | * | amiconn starts to really hate gcc |
| 19:41:37 | goffa | any fix for mpc playback going to be commited in the next 15 mins? if so, going to build it before i go back to work |
| 19:41:37 | LinusN | freqmod: nice fonts |
| 19:42:01 | preglow | goffa: nope |
| 19:42:19 | preglow | i'm checking it out now, though |
| 19:42:24 | goffa | cool |
| 19:42:39 | goffa | i think i may go back to sat build for the afternoon |
| 19:44:12 | freqmod | The Dejavu ( http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ ) bitstream based fonts are bsd ( http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/License ), free to include in rockbox |
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| 19:50:19 | Lear | lostlogic: last couple of days I've had two cases of skipped playback. About 20-30 seconds after playback start it skips a small amount of audio, maybe 10-15 seconds. At least one case was MP3, the other was MP3 or Vorbis, not sure. |
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| 19:57:05 | goffa | well... back to the ol' grind.. later |
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| 20:05:36 | preglow | what's the FILEBUF_CHUNK_SIZE thing good for, again? |
| 20:07:04 | amiconn | preglow: We could use -mbigtable to make all jumptables 32 bit... |
| 20:07:30 | amiconn | Somewhat against the goal of using -Os though... |
| 20:07:48 | preglow | yes |
| 20:08:54 | Lear | preglow: iirc, when the file buf wraps, at least that number of bytes will be returned when the codec requests more data. |
| 20:09:55 | preglow | right |
| 20:09:56 | preglow | btw |
| 20:09:58 | lostlogic | no |
| 20:10:10 | lostlogic | filebuf chunk size is just how much is read from disk at a time I think |
| 20:10:11 | preglow | when mpc.c hangs at the end of the track, i get a zILLION of these in the sim: |
| 20:10:11 | preglow | Error: dsp_input_size(0=dsp_output_size(0))=0<=0 |
| 20:10:16 | lostlogic | th eguardbuf size is the guaranteed read |
| 20:10:36 | lostlogic | guardbuf is 32k which is how large of a read will always be satisfied in a single request |
| 20:12:01 | lostlogic | Lear: that's very strange. bet if I find out what causes that it also stops some other things I'm seeing with filebuf used overflowing |
| 20:13:26 | lostlogic | preglow: neat. lemme take a look. |
| 20:14:02 | preglow | lostlogic: most certainly looks like it's a playback engine crash |
| 20:14:10 | preglow | lostlogic: the loop in mpc.c stops completely, at least |
| 20:14:24 | Lear | ah yes, that's the buffer I was thinking about. :) |
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| 20:14:57 | lostlogic | preglow: I see the problem −− I changed to a do whiel loop, thinking codecs would never insert zero bytes. *changes back* |
| 20:15:12 | preglow | lostlogic: i insert zero bytes? :> |
| 20:15:17 | lostlogic | preglow: yes. |
| 20:15:17 | preglow | that needs fixing, then |
| 20:15:50 | lostlogic | well ok, then I just uncovered a mpc bug :) |
| 20:16:18 | lostlogic | I'll make the playback engine use a while instead of do while anyway though. |
| 20:16:37 | preglow | yeah |
| 20:17:04 | preglow | woot |
| 20:17:12 | preglow | i'm beatmatching on the computer with two sims :PP |
| 20:18:13 | lostlogic | mmm, two rockbox'd ipods will eventually be DJ-ing nececessities :) |
| 20:18:30 | preglow | sweet god |
| 20:18:34 | preglow | i just need to buy that mixer now |
| 20:18:40 | preglow | and i'll be a-djin |
| 20:18:47 | preglow | who the hell needs final scratch anyway! |
| 20:18:48 | lostlogic | djin... like a genie? |
| 20:19:05 | preglow | haha |
| 20:19:11 | preglow | i can pretend that's what i meant |
| 20:19:29 | lostlogic | :) |
| 20:19:42 | preglow | wtf |
| 20:19:49 | preglow | musepack frames are size 1152, like mpeg |
| 20:19:55 | preglow | but the last frame i insert is 1600-something |
| 20:19:59 | preglow | then the last is 0 ... |
| 20:20:40 | lostlogic | odd. |
| 20:21:21 | lostlogic | mpc freeze should not happen in CVS any more. |
| 20:21:42 | preglow | i'll give it a go |
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| 20:21:56 | lostlogic | don't remember why I cahnged from while to do while in the first place... saving a conditional isn't a good reason. |
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| 20:22:35 | preglow | saving a conditional? do you even do that? |
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| 20:23:27 | lostlogic | while is like if (x) do {y;} while (x); |
| 20:23:36 | Mikachu | only if you return from the do |
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| 20:23:59 | RedBreva_ | What have I forgotten / missed... |
| 20:24:14 | preglow | lostlogic: did the job just fine |
| 20:24:21 | preglow | now for finding out what the hell is going on |
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| 20:25:08 | lostlogic | preglow: cool, that was a noisey bug that I had no inclincation to care about. |
| 20:25:31 | crashd | diannn |
| 20:25:37 | crashd | ok, wrong channel there |
| 20:26:09 | preglow | haha |
| 20:26:20 | lostlogic | Mikachu: changing from while to do while without changing loop contents at all will eliminate a comparson in all cases. |
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| 20:27:13 | dwihno | Optimizing craze \o/ |
| 20:27:21 | Mikachu | right, i thought you meant not having to do a conditional at all |
| 20:28:05 | lostlogic | dwihno: some things are optimizations and some are just stupid. I was apaprently in a just stupid mode when I changed that. |
| 20:28:21 | dwihno | lostlogic: nah, there are no such thing as stupid optimizations |
| 20:28:37 | dwihno | as long as there are improvements without code instability |
| 20:28:39 | Mikachu | are you sure you don't need the >0 too? :) |
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| 20:28:53 | lostlogic | dwihno: saving a single conditional for every 1152 stereo samples can be considered not worth it, IMO |
| 20:29:01 | lostlogic | Mikachu: it's the same on an unsigned variable |
| 20:29:11 | lostlogic | meeting. |
| 20:29:12 | dwihno | lostlogic: many small seas makes a great river! :) |
| 20:29:20 | dwihno | or however you translate it :) |
| 20:29:24 | preglow | lostlogic: you mean a executed comparison and not a compiler emitted one, right? |
| 20:29:32 | preglow | code wise they should be the same size |
| 20:29:35 | lostlogic | preglow: right. |
| 20:29:41 | preglow | then i'm with you |
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| 20:30:01 | lostlogic | actually compilers often compile a while as an if() do { } while(); |
| 20:30:10 | preglow | impressive |
| 20:30:13 | lostlogic | so in that case you would reduce code size by an instruction or 2 as well |
| 20:30:18 | preglow | saves you a skip, i guess |
| 20:30:23 | lostlogic | yep |
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| 20:31:17 | amiconn | preglow: Depending on the platform, the compiler may actually emit 2 conditionals for while(){} |
| 20:31:23 | amiconn | It does so on SH |
| 20:31:37 | preglow | yeah, lostlogic said so |
| 20:31:48 | preglow | but how the hell does this large frame at the end happen |
| 20:31:56 | preglow | there's not enough iram for so large a frame |
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| 20:35:13 | Nepo | hi @ all |
| 20:35:16 | Nepo | can you help me? |
| 20:35:25 | preglow | ask |
| 20:35:26 | Nepo | i habe an iriver 320 |
| 20:35:31 | Nepo | have.. |
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| 20:35:47 | Nepo | and ich have installed the actual rockbox |
| 20:35:51 | preglow | hahaha |
| 20:35:54 | preglow | it's so hard to spot you germans |
| 20:36:01 | Nepo | :P |
| 20:36:10 | goffa | lol |
| 20:36:11 | preglow | but yeah, go on |
| 20:36:31 | crashd | ; > |
| 20:36:41 | Nepo | is there a function to play videos? |
| 20:36:52 | dwihno | Not using the rockbox fw |
| 20:37:00 | preglow | nope, no video yet |
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| 20:37:04 | Nepo | shit... |
| 20:37:10 | Garga-Work | Heh |
| 20:37:12 | Nepo | hm..ok. thx from germany ;) |
| 20:37:16 | dwihno | Bitte sch๖n |
| 20:37:26 | dwihno | Give my regards to Der Kartoffelpolizei. |
| 20:37:28 | Nepo | is klar :P |
| 20:37:46 | Nepo | Die Kartoffelpolizeit! ;) |
| 20:37:57 | dwihno | Alle da. |
| 20:38:00 | Nepo | wrong preposition ;) |
| 20:38:02 | Garga-Work | No clue |
| 20:38:11 | Nepo | octoverfest? ;) |
| 20:38:16 | Nepo | octoberfest... |
| 20:38:22 | Nepo | :P |
| 20:38:33 | Nepo | cya in october :P |
| 20:38:35 | * | dwihno wants ipod g5 video playback |
| 20:38:38 | dwihno | that would be nice. |
| 20:38:42 | Garga-Work | Wish in one hand |
| 20:38:44 | Garga-Work | Shit in the othe |
| 20:38:45 | Garga-Work | r |
| 20:38:49 | Garga-Work | See which gets fuller faster |
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| 20:39:09 | dwihno | That would be your hand, my dear sir ;) |
| 20:39:27 | goffa | potato police? |
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| 20:39:39 | goffa | that's what babelfish says Kartoffelpolizei is |
| 20:39:46 | dwihno | yup |
| 20:40:27 | goffa | where'd that come from? or were you just throwing random stuff together? |
| 20:40:51 | dwihno | Just some high school humour |
| 20:41:00 | goffa | ok.. figured there was a story |
| 20:41:15 | amiconn | preglow: How does that sound? : |
| 20:41:15 | amiconn | /* Specify the machine mode that this machine uses |
| 20:41:15 | amiconn | for the index in the tablejump instruction. */ |
| 20:41:17 | dwihno | there always is |
| 20:41:26 | amiconn | This is in gcc/config/sh/sh.h |
| 20:41:29 | goffa | true |
| 20:42:26 | preglow | amiconn: sounds possibly good... |
| 20:42:58 | amiconn | Now if I only knew what SImode, DImode and QImode are... |
| 20:43:13 | amiconn | Oh, and HImode |
| 20:43:22 | preglow | there's _tons_ of shit like that |
| 20:44:03 | goffa | so why is there this confusion? or is this just a result of stuff ported over from ipodlinux |
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| 20:46:17 | amiconn | preglow: My guess after staring at that longish macro for a while: SImode == simple (single?) integer mode, |
| 20:46:33 | amiconn | HImode == half integer mode, QImode == quarter integer mode |
| 20:46:48 | amiconn | A cumbersome way of saying 32bit, 16bit and 8bit |
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| 20:53:11 | amiconn | preglow: I have a suspicion what's going on.... |
| 20:53:18 | preglow | amiconn: oh? |
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| 20:53:47 | amiconn | Do you have the gcc 3.4.6 sources at hand and would take a look too? |
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| 20:56:34 | kapheine | amiconn: Is this about the gcc amd64 bug? |
| 20:57:34 | preglow | amiconn: sure |
| 20:57:41 | preglow | gimme a sec |
| 20:57:43 | amiconn | kapheine: No, it's about the gcc -Os / -O2 bug on SH1 |
| 20:59:53 | kapheine | ahh |
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| 21:00:39 | preglow | nice macro |
| 21:01:23 | amiconn | preglow: Open said file, gcc/config/sh/sh.h, and go to line 2591 |
| 21:01:27 | amiconn | There's a macro that decides the integer size for jumptables |
| 21:01:39 | preglow | yeah, that's the macro i was talking about |
| 21:01:42 | preglow | no wonder gcc is buggy |
| 21:01:54 | amiconn | No, that's not the whole story |
| 21:02:17 | amiconn | Thing is, this macro distinguishes 2 cases with 8bit offsets, signed and unsigned |
| 21:02:21 | preglow | with code like this they're probably constantly dizzy |
| 21:02:36 | amiconn | ...and it sets (BODY).offset_unsigned to 0 or 1 depending on that |
| 21:03:12 | amiconn | Now grep for "offset_unsigned" across the whole source tree |
| 21:03:27 | amiconn | It's only found in sh.h and rtl.h |
| 21:03:37 | amiconn | The latter defines the struct containing it |
| 21:03:54 | amiconn | Afaiu this means the flag is set, but never evaluated (!) |
| 21:03:54 | preglow | hahaa |
| 21:03:58 | preglow | excellent |
| 21:04:16 | amiconn | ...and since SH always sign-extends by default −− boom! |
| 21:04:38 | preglow | i bet it's caused by sh being an old backend |
| 21:04:45 | preglow | what about taking a trip over to their irc channel and asking them? |
| 21:04:59 | amiconn | The proper fix would be to evaluate this flag and insert an extu.b instruction in the appropriate place |
| 21:05:11 | amiconn | The quick fix would be to just disable the unsigned case |
| 21:05:24 | amiconn | I will put this theory to test soon |
| 21:05:32 | preglow | amiconn: you know, i'm starting to think we're probably better off with our own fork of gcc, heh |
| 21:05:45 | goffa | preglow: is that like sending scouts? |
| 21:05:48 | amiconn | If this works, I will make a patch |
| 21:05:49 | goffa | :) |
| 21:06:27 | amiconn | preglow: Where's that channel? Also on freenode? |
| 21:06:29 | Lear | Hm... if I understand things correctly, the 3.4 branch isn't closed... |
| 21:06:32 | preglow | nope |
| 21:06:36 | preglow | gimme a sec and i'll find |
| 21:06:38 | Lear | s/isn't/is/ |
| 21:07:21 | amiconn | Lear: Then we need to use our own patch. 4.x is a no-go for sh rockbox :/ |
| 21:07:50 | Mikachu | gcc.gnu.org says 3.4 is closed |
| 21:08:15 | amiconn | preglow: Do you know how to insert additional strings into the gcc -v output? |
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| 21:08:39 | amiconn | (like the cygwin version says: "gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special)") |
| 21:10:00 | preglow | irc.oftc.net |
| 21:10:02 | preglow | #gcc |
| 21:10:12 | preglow | amiconn: nope |
| 21:11:29 | Mikachu | +++ gcc-3.2.3/gcc/version.c2003-04-26 12:25:28.000000000 -0400 |
| 21:11:29 | Mikachu | @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ |
| 21:11:29 | Mikachu | #include "ansidecl.h" |
| 21:11:29 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Mikachu |
| 21:11:29 | Mikachu | #include "version.h" |
| 21:11:29 | Mikachu | -const char *const version_string = "3.2.3"; |
| 21:11:31 | Mikachu | +const char *const version_string = "3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 @PV@)"; |
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| 21:13:54 | amiconn | Would it be ok to require a patched gcc for building rockbox? |
| 21:14:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: It went down between 1 and 2% |
| 21:14:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nowhere near the ~5-7% your descriptions say it should've. |
| 21:14:54 | amiconn | Mikachu: @PV@ ? |
| 21:16:22 | Lear | well, you typically build it yourself, unless you use packages from rockbox.org, so it wouldn't be _that_ bad, I guess... |
| 21:16:31 | Mikachu | amiconn: something gentoo specific |
| 21:16:54 | Mikachu | probably something like 3.2.3-r3 |
| 21:17:16 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 21:17:18 | preglow | amiconn: if you ask me |
| 21:17:26 | Lear | He, you have to patch 3.4.x in order to build it today. :) |
| 21:17:42 | preglow | amiconn: our own patchset for rockbox wouldn't bother me in the least |
| 21:17:44 | amiconn | Lear: Ok then, but I think configure should check that the patch is applied... |
| 21:17:47 | Lear | (At least on some platforms...) |
| 21:18:15 | amiconn | I'll test my theory, then |
| 21:19:37 | amiconn | Btw, this problem exists both in 3.3 and 3.4; I already stumbled upon it once, in the wavplay plugin, since plugins are compiled with -O2 ... |
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| 21:25:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, MPCs work again? |
| 21:25:42 | preglow | yeah |
| 21:25:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
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| 21:26:29 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:26:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd closes the bug. |
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| 21:33:17 | goffa | thanks for your work on mpc everyone |
| 21:33:38 | goffa | going to gave to snag that build tonight |
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| 21:37:32 | sharpe | woohoo. |
| 21:38:01 | piroko | if I'm 18 years old, living with my parents, and I go out for a bit without their permission, can they call the cops on me? |
| 21:38:29 | sharpe | legally, i don't think so. |
| 21:38:31 | Mikachu | if you break the law |
| 21:38:35 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 21:38:49 | sharpe | legally, you're an adult. |
| 21:39:20 | piroko | awesome. my parents suck |
| 21:39:47 | sharpe | just a guess, but i'm guessing they did that, or are threatening to? |
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| 21:40:16 | piroko | neither. i want to go somewhere and they said I can't because it's raining and last time I was 10 minutes late. |
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| 21:40:34 | sharpe | ah. |
| 21:40:34 | Mikachu | wtf, "it's raining"? |
| 21:40:42 | Mikachu | oh no you will get wet and die |
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| 21:41:07 | piroko | so now, I'm considering calling back and telling them I'm going anyway. I just wanna make sure there's nothing they can do. |
| 21:41:32 | sharpe | well, you shouldn't just take trust in what we say. |
| 21:41:33 | piroko | this is me trying to put my foot down for the very first time, and I'm terrified. |
| 21:41:39 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:41:45 | preglow | i've found a long-standing mpc bug, i have |
| 21:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, when you put your foot down, you really have to be prepared to say "Damn the consequences." |
| 21:42:01 | sharpe | heh |
| 21:42:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, they could potentially call the cops if say, the car is in their name. |
| 21:42:28 | Moos | preglow: oh? |
| 21:42:33 | piroko | Paul_The_Nerd: someone else would be driving me |
| 21:42:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | But in the end I doubt they would as that results in more hassle for *them* than it's worth. |
| 21:42:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Oooh, long standing? I take it it's a subtle one? |
| 21:43:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | piroko: Then you're probably good to go as long as you can deal with the post-lectures. |
| 21:43:09 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, libmpcdec outputs 1152 samples for all frames |
| 21:43:12 | preglow | EXCEPT THE LAST ONE |
| 21:43:13 | Moos | preglow: btw, I'm really impressed by the patch, |
| 21:43:17 | preglow | where it might use anything up to 1152*2 |
| 21:43:18 | preglow | hahaha |
| 21:43:27 | Moos | uch :( |
| 21:43:39 | preglow | i don't know how to handle it, i don't want to waste iram for the last frame only |
| 21:43:53 | Moos | indeed :( |
| 21:44:02 | sharpe | is the last frame much of any importance? |
| 21:44:09 | preglow | some parts of musepack is just plain lousy planned |
| 21:44:19 | preglow | sharpe: well, if you want gapless playback... |
| 21:44:21 | preglow | which we do |
| 21:44:25 | sharpe | heheh |
| 21:44:26 | Moos | yeah |
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| 21:46:16 | Kyomi | I think my battery problem is identified |
| 21:46:32 | Kyomi | I believe it /is/ the rockbox battery bug on H300 series |
| 21:46:33 | Lear | but it's not like the mpc codec is close to the iram limit (on irivers at least)... |
| 21:46:43 | Kyomi | I tried the stock f/w for today and it was fine |
| 21:46:45 | sharpe | what about gapless playback with tracks of silence. huh? what about that? :D |
| 21:47:14 | preglow | lostlogic: ok, i'm a fool, status 0 means end of file |
| 21:47:29 | goffa | piroko: if you aren't breaking the law, they don't really have a leg to stand on. However, even if the law isn't involved they could still potentially make your life miserable |
| 21:47:30 | preglow | Lear: still, wasting iram on that pains me... |
| 21:47:31 | Moos | Lear: with the musepack patch, I've got boost ratio close to mpa one |
| 21:48:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | How's this for a thread title: "Skipping tracks causes temporary coma" |
| 21:48:46 | scott666_ | i ran into that bug |
| 21:49:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | His apparently comes out of the coma after varying periods of time |
| 21:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | scott666_: Are you experiencing with the latest CVS builds? |
| 21:50:25 | amiconn | preglow: Then waste DRAM instead? |
| 21:50:37 | lostlogic | preglow: funny |
| 21:50:46 | scott666_ | unless its changed since yesterday |
| 21:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | scott666_: Notice I said "latest CVS builds" |
| 21:51:45 | scott666_ | alright. lemme go grab a bleeding edge then |
| 21:52:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | There have been at least 7 changes in the last 24 hours that could've fixed that problem. ;-) |
| 21:52:23 | piroko | goffa: how so? |
| 21:52:28 | preglow | amiconn: i like to keep our output buffers in iram |
| 21:52:34 | piroko | goffa: I have a friend who'll let me move in if worse comes to worse |
| 21:53:07 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but you could put the normal output buffer in iram, and a second one in dram, and only use the latter for the last frame |
| 21:53:09 | goffa | yeah... probably still not worth it... Parents are good to have on your side |
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| 21:53:17 | goffa | that's all i'm saying |
| 21:53:47 | Lear | amiconn: if it is easy to know you're about to decode the last frame, yes... |
| 21:53:52 | preglow | it is |
| 21:54:07 | preglow | i think... |
| 21:54:10 | amiconn | preglow: My theory seems to be correct! :-D |
| 21:54:15 | preglow | amiconn: then hooray! |
| 21:54:21 | preglow | file a bug report and watch it rot away |
| 21:54:36 | amiconn | I've now built a modified gcc-3.4.6, and built a recorder binary with that, and checked the disassembly |
| 21:54:50 | amiconn | Gcc correctly switched to using a word-sized jumptable |
| 21:55:05 | amiconn | Now let's see whether this binary actually works... |
| 21:55:20 | Kyomi | Anyone know what the status of that battery bug for the H300 series is? |
| 21:56:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which battery bug? |
| 21:56:14 | preglow | Kyomi: no status, linus is investigating it when he has time |
| 21:56:18 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: abnormally high battery usage |
| 21:56:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 21:56:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't think of that as a "battery bug". |
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| 21:56:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I guess that's rather semantics anyway |
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| 21:57:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking maybe there was something new, or that I didn't yet know about. |
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| 21:57:41 | Kyomi | Paul_The_Nerd: I was talking about a few days ago |
| 21:57:56 | Kyomi | So there was a suggestion to run it only on stock f/w for a day |
| 21:58:02 | Kyomi | And it's runs fine... all day :) |
| 21:58:08 | Kyomi | And even still more power in it |
| 21:58:15 | amiconn | Hmpfz, still I09:CPUAdrEr at DEADBEEF. So that's not the only quirk with 3.4.x |
| 21:58:20 | * | amiconn applies the same fix to 3.3.6 |
| 21:58:32 | lostlogic | preglow: do we have any non-seeking codecs other than mpc? Will mpc seeking be in 3.0? |
| 21:58:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmmm... Yeah, it's a pretty well known thing that our firmware runs much shorter times than the stock on H300. |
| 21:58:34 | Kyomi | ALOT longer then the almost 2.5 hours I was getting before...and that was just playing music |
| 21:58:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: "and if playback is broken, it's probably my fault." <−−- I had not noticed that before. :) |
| 21:58:46 | preglow | ye olde yellow builds |
| 21:58:58 | preglow | lostlogic: i'll try to make mpc seeking fit in 3.0 |
| 21:59:10 | Kyomi | preglow: Make SID fit in 3.0 :D |
| 21:59:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: FLAC doesn't seek if you have a crappy encoder. |
| 21:59:17 | preglow | Kyomi: sid's a feature, i'm afreaid |
| 21:59:18 | preglow | afraid too |
| 21:59:39 | Kyomi | Awwww |
| 21:59:41 | Kyomi | Come onnnn |
| 21:59:51 | Kyomi | You can squeeze it in.. I wont tell :D |
| 21:59:52 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: have any crappy flacs? what happens when you try to seek? does it just not seek and go back where it was, or does it suck? |
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| 22:00:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: My flacs were all non-crappified manually. They used to not seek and go back to the beginning of the song. |
| 22:01:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why the rush to see SID in 3.0? If it gets put in 30 minutes after the 3.0 release, is that going to be such a huge failure? |
| 22:01:54 | preglow | sid doesn't work nice enough for 3.0 yet |
| 22:01:57 | lostlogic | ah, yeah, flac seeking is handled right. |
| 22:02:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: flacs require seektables to seek. They can be made without them by stupid programs like dBpoweramp. |
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| 22:02:18 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm gonig to patch mpc to call seek complete whether it actually seeks or not in the meantime, if that's OK with you... |
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| 22:03:25 | preglow | you'll break the patch!!!11!11oneone |
| 22:03:45 | preglow | i'll survive, i think |
| 22:03:48 | lostlogic | ::blink blink:: I'll take that for "It's fine by me, you bastard" |
| 22:03:54 | Moos | preglow: commit it then :p |
| 22:04:02 | Moos | : ) |
| 22:04:14 | preglow | Moos: i want to remove that flaming nasty malloc first |
| 22:04:20 | Moos | ok |
| 22:04:39 | preglow | it seems like he has one jump table entry for every frame in the file |
| 22:04:48 | preglow | i need to talk with him on how to handle this |
| 22:05:16 | lostlogic | just committed an untested change to mpc.c... because I have no musepack. someone test it :) :) |
| 22:05:17 | Moos | preglow: use the MPC forum? |
| 22:05:23 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 22:05:42 | preglow | lostlogic: i'll test |
| 22:05:47 | lostlogic | ty |
| 22:05:48 | preglow | what should be different now? |
| 22:06:01 | lostlogic | if you seek, it should just return to playing where it was, no seek |
| 22:06:19 | lostlogic | before it would cause general badness involving a pause/unpause badness that only track skip would resolve |
| 22:06:25 | Moos | preglow: uhh, bugfixe by toni ;) |
| 22:06:36 | preglow | so i see |
| 22:06:38 | preglow | i fine fellow |
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| 22:07:16 | preglow | i appoint him the new codec optimising king |
| 22:07:20 | preglow | someone buy the fellow an ipod |
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| 22:07:46 | Toni1 | just commited a bugfix for my libmad patch |
| 22:07:47 | preglow | Toni1: so, you fixed the sine sample? |
| 22:08:00 | Toni1 | yes, it was a prob in huffdecode |
| 22:08:04 | preglow | ahh, excellent |
| 22:08:07 | preglow | then i'll commit it very soon |
| 22:08:13 | Moos | wee ! |
| 22:08:24 | preglow | Toni1: it works very well on ipod too |
| 22:08:29 | preglow | Toni1: gave almost 10% less boost |
| 22:08:29 | Toni1 | good, maybe a little more testing necessary? |
| 22:08:40 | preglow | Toni1: i'll test it a bit |
| 22:08:50 | Toni1 | unbelievable |
| 22:08:51 | preglow | other people can test as well |
| 22:09:11 | lostlogic | just commit it... that's what I do :) |
| 22:09:15 | lostlogic | ::shifty eyes:: |
| 22:09:19 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 22:09:22 | Toni1 | preglow, do you know, wether arm supports lshift 32? |
| 22:09:35 | preglow | Toni1: what's the point of that? |
| 22:09:40 | lostlogic | I as gonna ask. |
| 22:09:43 | lostlogic | was |
| 22:10:20 | preglow | it has 31 max on the logical lsl |
| 22:10:27 | preglow | arith left shift can do 32 |
| 22:10:30 | Toni1 | preglow: intel cpu does not shift 32 bits, but does nothing if 32 bit is defined |
| 22:11:28 | preglow | ahh, it's a variable shift? |
| 22:11:33 | preglow | then arm supports that |
| 22:12:05 | preglow | btw, i'm speaking bs, there's just one lshift, and that has max 31 in the const case, in the variable case, it takes everything |
| 22:12:08 | Toni1 | ok, then someone can try to change the value in layer3.c |
| 22:12:15 | preglow | will do |
| 22:13:08 | amiconn | Now if someone could solve the layer2 slowness... |
| 22:13:27 | Toni1 | on iriver too? |
| 22:13:33 | preglow | yes |
| 22:13:40 | preglow | probably just some stupid cache stuff |
| 22:13:43 | preglow | that was the case with layer 1 |
| 22:14:02 | Toni1 | ok, maybe I can do it next. |
| 22:14:12 | Toni1 | on iriver only :-) |
| 22:14:27 | * | preglow steals an ipod and gives it to Toni1 |
| 22:14:36 | Toni1 | thanks so much .) |
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| 22:14:52 | lostlogic | Toni1: what's your background, how'd you come to know stuff about optimizing audio decoding? |
| 22:14:57 | amiconn | preglow: A PP5002 one? ;) |
| 22:15:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: in another decade, you would be an antique collector instead of a rockbox developer :-\ |
| 22:15:47 | Toni1 | lostlogic: I am 'old'. so I have experience with asm optimizing |
| 22:16:07 | lostlogic | Toni1: haha, nice. |
| 22:16:10 | Kyomi | Ewwwww |
| 22:16:13 | Kyomi | ipod |
| 22:16:15 | Toni1 | to printer firmware in the past |
| 22:17:06 | preglow | i actually like asm optimising, so i guess i'm getting older too |
| 22:17:16 | Toni1 | :-) |
| 22:17:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, you're just odd. |
| 22:17:23 | preglow | ahh, it was odd |
| 22:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;-) |
| 22:17:39 | Mikachu | just one letter |
| 22:18:25 | Toni1 | bye all |
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| 22:19:20 | preglow | i still don't get the importance of the shift thing |
| 22:19:41 | lostlogic | I don't see any asm in his code −− guess he's making the algorithm smarter by tweaking the C to generate the asm he wants. |
| 22:19:50 | * | lostlogic either |
| 22:20:22 | preglow | it had absolutely no impact on arm |
| 22:24:48 | preglow | yup, 62% boost for my 320 kbps test file |
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| 22:25:08 | preglow | time for a celebratory beer! |
| 22:25:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | \o/ |
| 22:25:41 | crashd | : ) |
| 22:25:48 | * | petur goes reading the log |
| 22:26:01 | Kyomi | Isn't reading the log kinda... fruitless? |
| 22:26:09 | preglow | petur: the beer is self-celebratory, nothing big happened |
| 22:26:22 | Kyomi | Since all the time you spend reading the log... even more of it is created |
| 22:26:23 | * | lostlogic applies toni's patches. |
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| 22:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kyomi: You can read it faster than it's produced though. A LOT faster. |
| 22:26:41 | petur | ah, as a matter of fact I just had several Belgian beers :D |
| 22:26:50 | amiconn | preglow: lol, self-celebratory |
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| 22:27:11 | preglow | petur: and i'm having a norwegian one in a belgian style |
| 22:27:34 | petur | ha! and what style is that? |
| 22:27:37 | preglow | petur: wit |
| 22:27:49 | preglow | this is a bloody joke, 320kbps mp3 62% boost, 112kbps mp3 50% boost |
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| 22:28:21 | lowlight | lostlogic: fyi...the shorten codec doesn't seek |
| 22:28:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a question: Is setting the minimum clock say, 10mhz faster perhaps better than boosting up to 75 as often? |
| 22:28:38 | preglow | lowlight: hiya, you done any tests to see if mp3 now works as it should? |
| 22:29:07 | petur | right. optimizations for arm (ipod)... |
| 22:29:17 | lowlight | preglow: no, but I don't see why it shouldn't now |
| 22:29:25 | preglow | lowlight: i just like to make sure |
| 22:29:32 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: "Better" in what way? It would mean more boosting for codecs with zero boost like FLAC. |
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| 22:29:47 | preglow | lowlight: i always had a couple of tracks that were never quite gapless, i'm testing now to see if it's bettered |
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| 22:30:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Well rather, I was just curious if running it slightly higher and boosting less often is more or less efficient for codecs with high boost percentages. I wasn't really proposing it as an actual way to run it, I was just more or less curious. |
| 22:30:51 | lostlogic | lowlight: ty |
| 22:31:15 | lowlight | preglow: yeah...I'll check to be sure |
| 22:31:34 | lostlogic | lowlight: it also handles it correctly. |
| 22:32:47 | amiconn | Is seeking impossible in shorten, or just not implemented in the codec? |
| 22:33:02 | Kyomi | lowlogic and lostlight? |
| 22:33:05 | preglow | lowlight: _FLAWLESS_ gapless in those tracks now |
| 22:33:16 | preglow | so it most certainly seems to have bettered |
| 22:33:40 | lowlight | preglow: good to hear |
| 22:33:41 | lostlogic | preglow: was it the 8bytes, change, or toni's change that fixed gapless? |
| 22:33:49 | preglow | lostlogic: 8 bytes |
| 22:33:55 | lostlogic | hmph, any problems with it so far? |
| 22:34:18 | preglow | when i was coding gapless mp3 support i always had trouble with libmad refusing to spit out the last couple of samples |
| 22:34:27 | lostlogic | I'm still considering that the most retarded thing ever. |
| 22:34:28 | preglow | turns out that was the bug lowlight discovered |
| 22:35:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: I believe it's possible if the file has a seektable, which most shorten files don't. IIRC, the seektable contains the state of the decoder at that point, not just file offsets. |
| 22:35:08 | preglow | if this is fixed, i need to remove a comment in mp3.c |
| 22:35:21 | preglow | linuxstb: gahahahaha |
| 22:35:31 | preglow | linuxstb: how musepack of it |
| 22:35:35 | linuxstb | And you thought musepack was bad? |
| 22:35:53 | lowlight | amiconn: shorten seek tables are at the end of the file which makes them difficult to utilize |
| 22:35:56 | * | amiconn wonders why people design such cumbersome formats |
| 22:36:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | They must've seemed logical at the time. |
| 22:36:12 | preglow | amiconn: stupidity and whisky, that's why |
| 22:36:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Somehow. |
| 22:36:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or whisky |
| 22:36:22 | lostlogic | wow, toni's changes just make a remarkable difference in mp3's keeping up abilities. |
| 22:36:22 | preglow | i feel somewhat less diplomatic in this regard |
| 22:36:26 | * | Kyomi wonders why there just aren't like... 4 |
| 22:36:49 | preglow | Kyomi: 4 what... |
| 22:36:59 | Kyomi | 1 for old game music/MODs, 1 for PC mp3, 1 for mac mp3, and some other one |
| 22:37:01 | lostlogic | stream formats |
| 22:37:05 | Kyomi | 4 audio format |
| 22:37:06 | Kyomi | s |
| 22:37:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | And what about the people who want something *better* than MP3? |
| 22:37:19 | preglow | what's the difference between pc and mac mp3s... |
| 22:37:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: I expect shorten was designed just for archiving/distributing CDs, not as a playback format. |
| 22:37:38 | * | amiconn gets impatient while waiting for sh-gcc 3.3.6 to compile |
| 22:37:47 | preglow | linuxstb: wavpack used to be like that too |
| 22:37:47 | RotAtoR | oooh, do the latest musepack changes fix the occasionaly pop at track end? |
| 22:37:53 | preglow | RotAtoR: please do try it out |
| 22:37:54 | amiconn | newlib, you know... |
| 22:37:56 | RotAtoR | ok |
| 22:38:06 | preglow | RotAtoR: oh, wait |
| 22:38:12 | preglow | RotAtoR: i need to commit one more thing first |
| 22:38:19 | RotAtoR | ok :) |
| 22:39:11 | amiconn | preglow: The fix for the jumbo-frame? |
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| 22:39:36 | preglow | RotAtoR: there |
| 22:39:44 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i took the easy way out and just wasted iram for now |
| 22:39:57 | preglow | will be fun to see if the seek patch applies now |
| 22:40:05 | lowlight | preglow: do you have a coldfire optimized FFT? |
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| 22:40:12 | preglow | anywho, i'm curious if this fixes the pop bug in musepack |
| 22:40:39 | preglow | lowlight: well, yeah, motorola has a free one for size 2048 or something |
| 22:40:41 | RotAtoR | preglow: i'd like to test seeking too, so any clean patch you can produce would be nice :) |
| 22:40:55 | preglow | RotAtoR: i seriously doubt the seeking patch applies anymore |
| 22:41:03 | preglow | RotAtoR: so please just test this first |
| 22:41:11 | preglow | if this fixes the pop, i need to think of something clever |
| 22:41:12 | RotAtoR | i figured that with the recent changes |
| 22:41:15 | lowlight | preglow: I've been messing around with Sandvall's patch to use FFT in Tremor |
| 22:41:24 | preglow | lowlight: what patch? |
| 22:41:48 | Moos | preglow: oh, broken since those last hours? |
| 22:41:56 | preglow | Moos: since of right now |
| 22:42:04 | preglow | Moos: i don't think there's enough iram for it now |
| 22:42:10 | Moos | ok |
| 22:42:41 | preglow | lostlogic broke it with his commit anyway, so i need to make a new patch |
| 22:42:42 | lowlight | preglow: the one mentioned here http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-March/000957.html |
| 22:43:19 | markun | lowlight: what are the results or your tests? |
| 22:43:36 | preglow | lowlight: afraid i don't have a coldfire fft, no |
| 22:43:40 | preglow | lowlight: only the fixed size motorola one |
| 22:43:46 | preglow | which isn't very precise, to boot |
| 22:43:54 | Moos | preglow: ok, when you have new clean patch please let us know |
| 22:44:09 | lowlight | markun: I have it working in the simulator |
| 22:44:48 | preglow | lowlight: why not on target? |
| 22:45:00 | preglow | lowlight: would be very interesting to see the performance difference |
| 22:45:23 | preglow | btw, i think someone else also played around with this a while ago... |
| 22:46:59 | lowlight | preglow: well, the patch is for the Tremor low mem branch which is not what rockbox uses |
| 22:47:35 | preglow | indeed not, but i don't think the differences were very many |
| 22:49:12 | LinusN | i'm really impressed by the iriver mp3 decoder performance |
| 22:49:30 | preglow | me too |
| 22:49:46 | LinusN | measured current draw: |
| 22:50:04 | LinusN | rockbox 128kbit/s: 125mA |
| 22:50:14 | LinusN | iriver 128kbit/s: 60mA |
| 22:50:27 | goffa | damn... quite the difference |
| 22:50:33 | amiconn | This is on H300? |
| 22:50:36 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:50:41 | lowlight | preglow: the differences were enough that I couldn't figure it out :) |
| 22:50:42 | preglow | LinusN: try with toni's patches |
| 22:50:53 | amiconn | I would like to see the same comparison on H1x0... |
| 22:50:54 | LinusN | maybe i should |
| 22:51:23 | petur | still, this can't be decoder performance alone |
| 22:51:26 | amiconn | I don't think it's a rockbox inefficiency, rather the mysterious current draw... |
| 22:51:46 | petur | we're talking *double* power draw here |
| 22:51:55 | Moos | indeed :( |
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| 22:53:16 | LinusN | interesting fact #2: |
| 22:53:18 | markun | LinusN: even with playback paused it draws 125mA, right? |
| 22:53:38 | LinusN | rockbox idle in browser: 103mA |
| 22:53:50 | LinusN | iriver idle in browser: 112mA |
| 22:53:55 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:54:05 | Bagder | 1 - 1 |
| 22:54:08 | Bagder | :-P |
| 22:54:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, how does their draw go *down* when playback starts? |
| 22:54:11 | Moos | : ) |
| 22:54:17 | amiconn | petur: When thinking back to my trip to Torino, it's likely that the mystery is caused by the ISP1362 |
| 22:54:32 | petur | LinusN: if you have time, do try my isp1362 init patch in the bootloader.. maybe it suspends that chip better? |
| 22:54:51 | amiconn | I used USB host mode there, and remember that USB host mode really drained the battery |
| 22:54:53 | preglow | LinusN: iriver uses more idle than playing mp3s???? |
| 22:55:25 | petur | on the other hand, I claim the fact that I can't access the chip to the fact that it's suspended... :/ |
| 22:55:50 | ep0ch_ | does the H3x0 series have that disk spinning bug like the ihp-1x0? |
| 22:56:09 | LinusN | preglow: yes, probably because it runs at a higher frequency in the browser |
| 22:56:14 | preglow | LinusN: nice |
| 22:56:37 | preglow | LinusN: but yeah, with tonis patches, libmad never boosts on h1x0 |
| 22:56:47 | preglow | might be worth seeing how much that lowers power consumption |
| 22:56:53 | petur | amiconn: then linus should *really* do the measurements with my init patch - maybe the unconfigured GPIO causes the usbotg chargepump to be enabled? |
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| 22:57:06 | Moos | ep0ch_: disk spinning bug? |
| 22:57:29 | amiconn | Moos: H1x0 retailos always spins the disk in the browser |
| 22:57:41 | Moos | oh |
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| 22:58:03 | Moos | petur: your patch+toni's ones :) |
| 22:58:14 | ep0ch_ | Moos: yes it's been a long time since i used iriver firmware, but it was something to do with the disk not spinning down if you don't select a song after booting |
| 22:58:15 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have the necessary wires attached to a H1x0? |
| 22:58:40 | Moos | ep0ch_: ok |
| 22:59:14 | LinusN | amiconn: no |
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| 22:59:34 | amiconn | hmm :( |
| 22:59:48 | webguest16 | the hdd spinning bug was fixed in firmware v166 for the H1xx series |
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| 23:00:06 | preglow | it was? |
| 23:00:09 | preglow | remarkable |
| 23:00:11 | webguest16 | yes |
| 23:00:13 | preglow | i thought that'd never be fixed |
| 23:00:17 | Moos | : ) |
| 23:00:34 | preglow | iriver is such a lousy company when it comes to fixing stuff |
| 23:00:42 | preglow | but then again, hand't it been for that, i wouldn't be here, so hooray! |
| 23:00:50 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 23:01:20 | ep0ch_ | preglow: they aren't lousy they gave us gapless! ;) |
| 23:01:23 | Hotfusion | I love newegg. I got my iaudio in today :). It was supposed to ship ups but it's in a fedex box. Ordered friday got today. CA to GA. |
| 23:01:32 | amiconn | aaaarrrrghh! |
| 23:01:51 | Moos | Hotfusion: congrates ! |
| 23:01:53 | webguest16 | 1. Fixed the bug that shuffled tracks on a certain pattern. |
| 23:02:00 | amiconn | Fixing the jumptable bug in gcc 3.3.6 and then building rockbox triggers another bug! :( |
| 23:02:00 | lostlogic | Hotfusion: nice −− ordered a digicam on friday, should be at my UPS box waiting for me now. |
| 23:02:14 | webguest16 | arrghh, http://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi |
| 23:02:14 | Hotfusion | I appreciated the somehow free upgraded shipping |
| 23:02:15 | Hotfusion | :D |
| 23:02:19 | Moos | amiconn: viscious circle :( |
| 23:02:21 | piroko | lostlogic: has the freeze after a few minutes bug in the 4g been fixed yet? |
| 23:02:29 | Presence | between proper iPod reboots, where are the settings saved? current playlist, theme, etc? |
| 23:02:43 | lostlogic | piroko: dunno, I haven't done anything directly relating to it, but have fixed several crossfade related bugs of lte |
| 23:02:43 | webguest16 | http://www.iriveramerica.com/support/hd/H100_firmware.aspx |
| 23:02:48 | preglow | Presence: in a sector on the disk |
| 23:03:29 | Presence | uh, like a data file? or a freaking bit-by-bit on a partition somewhere? |
| 23:03:30 | ep0ch_ | webguest16: lol, no.1 improved lyric support |
| 23:03:33 | amiconn | I04:IllInstr at 000000F0, wtf |
| 23:03:59 | webguest16 | yea, well guess for some its important :-) |
| 23:04:09 | Moos | lostlogic: yeah crossfade came back, thanks |
| 23:04:12 | Bagder | Presence: sector 62 |
| 23:04:19 | amiconn | 61 |
| 23:04:24 | Bagder | in a binary chunk |
| 23:04:26 | Presence | kay, uh, yeah. nevermind then. |
| 23:04:32 | amiconn | (on a disk with standard sector layout) |
| 23:04:34 | lostlogic | Moos: of course it did, that's why I declared it fixed today :) |
| 23:04:44 | Moos | haha ;D |
| 23:04:50 | * | Bagder makes mental note. 61 61 61 61 61 |
| 23:05:01 | Moos | hehe : ) |
| 23:05:24 | amiconn | Actually MIN(61, start_of_first_partition - 2) |
| 23:05:37 | lostlogic | I'm going to be running out of rockbox time for 1 week from now. Was hoping to have less outstanding issues in playback by this point :( |
| 23:05:43 | amiconn | So it's sector 30 on many flash disks (Ondio) |
| 23:05:49 | Presence | oh holy shit, yer not fucking with me. |
| 23:05:52 | Presence | its literally sector 61. |
| 23:05:58 | lostlogic | lol |
| 23:06:14 | Moos | lostlogic: unfortunatly, lots of playback bugs still here ;( |
| 23:06:17 | Bagder | well, we can still mock you if you want? ;-) |
| 23:06:29 | Presence | absolutely! |
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| 23:06:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Agh. |
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| 23:07:02 | toutmou | hi |
| 23:07:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I want to post a "How to post bug reports the right way" FAQ, but I know *nobody* would ever read it anyway |
| 23:07:45 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:07:48 | LinusN | toni's patch made no difference, hardly surprising |
| 23:07:53 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: just start throwing things like ID 10-T and PEBKAC around as responses |
| 23:07:57 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: well, such posts are good to point to anyway |
| 23:07:59 | preglow | LinusN: why? |
| 23:08:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 23:08:12 | preglow | lostlogic: bargh! you need to fix the 'selecting a new file sometimes doesn't work bug' first!"ยค |
| 23:08:19 | toutmou | I've found log for this chan while googling to find how to extract .rbz file.. Anyone know something about this file format ? |
| 23:08:21 | lostlogic | preglow: I'll uhh try... |
| 23:08:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I probably will create one for gen discussion. |
| 23:08:35 | LinusN | preglow: because it didn't boost much before the patch anyway |
| 23:08:41 | preglow | fix that, and i can't think of anything annoying |
| 23:08:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least cover the "Clearly list steps for reproducing bug" and "If you're using an 11 DAY OLD BUILD, try a bleeding edge first." |
| 23:08:56 | lostlogic | preglow: there are certainly others, but yes, that is probably the worst |
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