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#rockbox log for 2006-04-26

00:00:00lostlogicmidgey34: yes, chicago
00:00:02*amiconn went by bike today
00:00:06klrspzdo the ipods have a hard reset?
00:00:09midgey34but yes, we all drive too much
00:00:10preglowi like biking anyway
00:00:13preglowas long as it doesn't rain
00:00:15klrspzlike it'll wipe otu the disk and start from scratch?
00:00:17crashdklrspz: menu+select, hold it down
00:00:24crashdklrspz: oh, use the apple updater
00:00:24klrspzthat's a soft reset
00:00:28amiconn14 km each way
00:00:29crashdno, it's a hardware reset
00:00:31klrspzok, that's what i was thinking
00:00:33preglowlostlogic: small wonder with gas prices like that
00:00:36crashdas opposed to a software reset
00:00:44crashdbut yeah, apple updater will restore it to factory defaults
00:00:50preglowlostlogic: norwegians are bad as hell too, and that's even with the kite-high gas prices
00:01:04Hotfusionfunny how this president of an oil comapny is getting paid 400 million in retirment pay, make billions of dollars a year (oil company) and yet charge high gas prices
00:01:04klrspzi don't ever plan on using the retail os anymore, was wondering if it was safe to delete everything
00:01:08Hotfusionthe american way right?
00:01:15Mikachuklrspz: yes
00:01:17preglowklrspz: it is
00:01:55DBUGEnqueued KICK XavierGr
00:01:55XavierGr[00:56] ,03amiconn,99: gas prices are in the EUR 1.30 / litre range in germany atm...,99 <- that's too expensive. It is 1.00 euro / litre in Greece.
00:02:07XavierGroops sorry for the colour
00:03:00preglowlike i said
00:03:04preglowit's 2$ a litre here now
00:03:08preglowpeople are whining like pigs
00:03:31CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:03:31*preglow pats peak oil
00:03:35amiconnXavierGr: Actually more like EUR 1.40/liter for me. My car needs roz 98
00:04:04Moosmuch depending about State taxes
00:04:04XavierGrand I thought gas prices were bad in Greece!
00:04:13Hotfusioneverybody but preglow likes to play low gas prices
00:04:14preglowXavierGr: they're not!
00:04:17XavierGrDoes your state has a crazy tax for gas?
00:04:47lostlogicamiconn: wtf −− 98 octane!? what you driving, a race car?
00:04:49Mikachui think 80% or so of the price is tax here
00:04:50MoosEU don't have the same taxes for all (and probably never)
00:04:59preglowlostlogic: you know, the autobahn and all
00:05:02amiconnlostlogic: No, and old BMW
00:05:11preglowlostlogic: you need a formula 1 car to survive
00:05:12arf-arfpreglow: I've managed to find a bug with mpc playback
00:05:18preglowarf-arf: spill it
00:05:36arf-arf1) play any mpc file in a folder
00:05:45amiconnHotfusion: no turbo
00:05:47arf-arf2) wait for the hdd light to go out
00:06:08arf-arf3) switch to a different folder and select (right) on a new song
00:06:22Moosit's playback related bug
00:06:23HotfusionI need to get higher octane like 93 just one time so I can clean the fuel system.
00:06:24preglowarf-arf: that's a rockbox bug, not an mpc bug, and you don't need to wait for the hdd light or switch to a new folder, just try it
00:06:38preglowarf-arf: if you're talking about the file not wanting to play
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00:06:57arf-arfoh. okay. in that case you HAVE fixed mpc playback(!)
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00:07:21preglowhooray, i tells ya
00:07:32Moosyeah preglow great works !! congrates
00:07:44Moosnow just the patch missing :P
00:07:48HotfusionTriva question: True or False, opening up a digital photo constantly over a period of time will degrade the photo picture
00:07:56preglowi owe it all to lostlogic, if i didn't try to fix his bug, this wouldn't have happened!
00:07:56amiconnMost cars sold here nowadays prefer 95 octane (super), but can accomodate 91 octane
00:08:03preglowHotfusion: ahahahah
00:08:09HotfusionI had this lady tell me some photo guys told her that would happen
00:08:12HotfusionI was like WTF
00:08:14Mikachuthere is only 95 and 98 octane in sweden
00:08:17amiconnJust some rather old or very powerful cars need 98 octane (super plus)
00:08:18Mikachu(i think)
00:08:33preglowHotfusion: just go back and laught at her
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00:14:41*amiconn is silly
00:14:45lostlogicamiconn: hmm... premium here is 93, and you can't get more in most places.
00:15:13lostlogicHotfusion: if you open and _save_ it over and over it will.
00:15:14amiconnlostlogic: Two oil companies are even selling 100 octane in germany...
00:15:22amiconn(shell and aral/bp)
00:15:26lostlogicamiconn: sunoco sells 105 in some states here, I believe.
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00:16:50preglowlostlogic: oh? you can get 98 everywhere here
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00:16:59lostlogicI wonder if they use different measuring methods
00:17:04preglowme too
00:17:31amiconnpreglow: I now know what caused my 'other' bug. It's a thing that I added a workaround for on my windows host, but not on my debian vm...
00:17:38markunipl people are doing fun things with alpha blending:
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00:18:17lostlogicit is different
00:18:34lostlogicEurope sells gas by RON only, US it's (RON + MON) / 2
00:18:53lostlogicso 98 ~= 93 (with way too many variables to really compare)
00:19:41*preglow nods and pretends he understands
00:20:02BagderI hate it when facts come in to spoil a good discussion ;-P
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00:20:56preglowme knowledge of cars pretty much stops at how to drive them
00:20:57Genre9mp3Does anyone now how the Dict plugin works? There's no documentation in the wiki.. :(
00:21:03preglownever could summon the interest to learn more
00:21:09Genre9mp3now = know
00:21:38lostlogicpreglow: I'm one of those odd enthusiast types... so I know cars and digital audio players and bikes and skates about equally well :-\
00:22:10preglowlostlogic: i tend to be like that too, but not universally
00:22:32lostlogiccourse, I have no desire to learn DSP algorithms really, and you cars ;)
00:22:51preglowi do tend to dive deep in whatever i'm learning
00:23:02preglowbut i never started on cars, however much my car crazy friends have tried
00:23:30lostlogicI've decided that cars are too expensive of a hobby, comapred to bikes, DAPs and skates, so I'm giving up on them :P
00:23:41preglowi do know a hell of a lot about beer, though!
00:23:45*preglow has another one
00:25:09amiconnLinusN: So, what do you think about requiring a gcc patch for building rockbox (for archos)?
00:25:11*LinusN and Bagder have spent quite some time under the hood of cars
00:25:23Bagderyay ignitions!
00:25:25LinusNamiconn: i have no problem with that
00:25:31preglowthen it's settled
00:25:33crashdLinusN: what, together?
00:25:39preglowwe keep our own patch tree
00:25:48preglowwe can't count on the gcc people to include anything we do, that's for sure
00:25:55amiconnAll build servers would need to have the patched gcc installed
00:26:03*lostlogic mutters
00:26:45amiconnFor now we can save ~3.7% code size with a patched gcc-3.3.6 and -Os
00:27:07Mikachuhave you compared performance?
00:27:28amiconnThe patch will also ensure plugin stability (plugins are already compiled with -O2, and the bug may hit us there without the patch)
00:27:30lostlogicI'm concerned about the endpoint for this −− we can also save over 10% codesize if we make gcc-4 for arm properly handle long calls between sections only.
00:27:34lostlogicshould we do that?
00:27:51amiconnAnother workaround is needed for gcc3.3.6 -Os, in mp3_playback.c
00:28:17Bagdergcc patches for everyone!
00:28:38amiconnThis workaround wouldn't be needed if I manage to get gcc3.4.6 -Os builds working, and it would save us another ~1.3%
00:28:40Bagderquite painful
00:29:08*LinusN remembers when we had to use a patched binutils for coldfire targets
00:29:10Mikachudid i mention i lost a lot of performance on ogg when i tried compiling it with -Os?
00:29:19amiconnFor some reason I would prefer the latter...
00:30:03amiconnToday's recorder builds: 224KB. gcc-3.3.6 -Os: 216KB. gcc-3.4.6 -Os: 213KB
00:30:24amiconnMikachu: Yes you did
00:30:31Mikachuokay, sorry :)
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00:30:39preglowMikachu: we won't be compiling Os for swcodec anyway
00:30:45preglowit's just for those old crummy ugly things ;)
00:30:53Mikachuah, right
00:30:58oboI'm guessing ld: region FLASH is full is a bad sign? ;)
00:31:06amiconnpreglow: Heh!
00:31:23amiconnobo: Building for archos?
00:31:33oboyeah, testing a patch I'm writing...
00:31:39amiconnfm recorder or v2 by chance?
00:31:41Hotfusionlooking at page 3 of hte iaudio manual. It has a warning, becareful not to cut your hands when taking the player nad acessories out of the box
00:31:50HotfusionOH, thanks for telling me after it's already out
00:32:16oboI picked a v2 at random - I have no physical device to test on, but I thought I'd see if it would compile
00:32:18amiconnThat's currently normal, unfortunately. All the recent code additions broke rombox...
00:32:41amiconnThat's one reason why I'm experimenting with -Os like mad...
00:32:44preglowamiconn: will rombox work when you Os going, btw?
00:32:56amiconnpreglow: Yes, but still tight
00:33:02preglowsure, it'll always be tight
00:33:07preglowand more features will come
00:33:10amiconnIirc we're currently ~3.5KB above limit
00:33:41preglowthe only permanent solution is disabling features
00:33:56amiconnBagder: Would it be possible to check for the patched gcc in configure?
00:34:08amiconnAfaik configure already checks the gcc version
00:34:11Bagdersure, if we just have a means to do it
00:34:38preglowwe could alter the version strings
00:34:41amiconnWould it be easy to search for a string in the gcc -v output?
00:34:51Bagdervery easy
00:35:08amiconnThinking about sth like gcc 3.3.6 (rockbox patch-1)
00:35:15lostlogicI seriously don't understand how this tree code works, and I need to know what happens when the user selects a file with >> in order to make it work properly, someone gotta hand?
00:35:43preglowlostlogic: not much i can do, i'm afraid
00:35:48amiconnOr maybe a date...
00:36:32preglowamiconn: i think a patch version number will do nicely
00:36:41preglowno need for anything more complicated
00:38:08amiconnOkay, then I'll commit the workaround for gcc 3.3.x and put together a patch
00:38:33LinusNlostlogic: it calls ft_enter()
00:39:02LinusNin filetree.c
00:40:14LinusNwhich in turn will create a playlist and call playlist_start()
00:40:28lostlogicLinusN: ah, excellent! thank you
00:40:32LinusNwhich calls audio_play()
00:41:33LinusNtime to sleep
00:41:37LinusNnite all
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00:42:40goffalostlogic: you still need help?
00:42:43preglowamiconn: you're going to go for gcc 3.3.x now?
00:42:47preglowwhy not go 3.4.x at once?
00:43:02lostlogicgoffa: I think I'm on the trail of the hair.
00:44:02amiconnpreglow: (1) going for 3.3.x and -Os and have rombox for fm/v2 in 3.0 (2) wading through the 3.4.x problems and not have it ready in time for 3.0
00:44:06amiconnWhich one is better?
00:44:15goffagoing to eat this sandwitch then... and twiddle my thumbs before i have to work again
00:44:19Hotfusionhmm I'd like to figure out how to turn off the screen while the x5l is charging
00:44:21Hotfusionanyone know how
00:44:26amiconnThe workaround doesn't hurt, it's more like a protection
00:44:28Hotfusionnot using rockbox yet
00:44:39goffaboot rockbox
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00:44:44preglowamiconn: the second one, of course
00:44:47goffaand plug in
00:45:05BagderHotfusion: in regular mode you can switch off the screen by a quick move up with the hold button
00:45:20goffayeah... you just have to have rockbox loaded
00:45:22BagderI mean in the original firmware
00:45:25Hotfusionthat worked
00:45:28Hotfusionthanks bagder
00:45:31goffaoh.. ok
00:45:35erichThe album art extension for rockbox, how does it work (embedded covers into mp3 files, or can it use .folder.jpg and such?) - and how much battery will it cost me?
00:46:04erichIs there a guide to maximizing battery life with rockbox (e.g. pick a theme which doesn't scroll text?)
00:46:43goffaerich... shutting off everything you can seems to help.
00:47:12goffalike tag cache, dir cache, random, intensive wps, voice, etc
00:47:28goffarandom depends on the player
00:47:30goffaand file type
00:47:31Mikachuerich: it's possible you'll save a tiny bit if you go out to the menu instead of sitting in wps
00:48:22goffae.g. flac on a hard drive based player uses more battery
00:48:34goffabut on flash based it could potentially be less
00:48:41goffathan most file types
00:48:44Bagdertry google for "popcap david haas"
00:49:03Genre9mp3How do you "execute" a .pl file?
00:49:21Mikachuperl .pl or chmod +x .pl; ./.pl
00:50:08amiconnBagder: No documents found?
00:50:20Mikachui got the cease and desist stuff
00:50:28BagderI got lots of Rockbox cease links
00:50:29goffaheh.. .i think mr hass needs to be sterile
00:50:40goffathat way he can't reproduce and further lower the collective iq of the world
00:50:45amiconnIt's dave, not david
00:50:52*amiconn copy-n-pasted
00:50:54Bagderits david
00:51:07preglowdave's the address
00:51:13goffayeah.. dave is to friendly of a name
00:51:16Bagderyes, he uses both
00:51:22preglowdamn, that climbed the google rankings quick
00:51:22Bagderin his mail
00:51:30amiconnWithout the "" I also get these links
00:51:50Mikachui assumed the "" was just irc quotes
00:52:08preglowherz42: there?
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00:52:35RotAtoRhere's a picture of dave haas down the page a bit :)
00:52:51erichIn my tests, the X5 has 6.5 hours battery with rockbox, but 10-11 hours with the original firmware... do they maybe reduce cpu speed or so? after all that is a rather big gap.
00:53:17goffaerich: they are still working on optimizing
00:53:19Bagdererich: that's because Rockbox is very new on X5
00:53:21preglowRotAtoR: ahh, and he looks like such a sweet guy
00:53:23goffathings are very beta at this point
00:53:25preglowRotAtoR: i figured he had horns
00:53:34muesliiiiiRotAtoR o prefer Kamasutra :D
00:53:38Mikachuthe centos guy looks harmless too
00:53:46herz42preglow: here
00:53:52preglowherz42: you say the backlight flickers when not boosted in your backlight brightness patch, is that for ipods?
00:54:04RotAtoRmuesliiiii: too much information!! :p
00:54:23herz42preglow: yes, my ipod video, but only for like some few percent on-time
00:54:31preglowherz42: in that case, it makes no sense, boosting should not affect backlight pwm at all on ipods
00:54:58goffai suppose i should get latest cvs seeing how hard you guys worked on mpc.. just for me :)
00:55:01preglowherz42: try manually boosting the cpu in the debug screen so it's always at 75mhz, then see if it changed. if it does, i'll be really surprised
00:56:22herz42preglow: when the cpu is boosted, the backlight also flickers a it, but I think it's a litte less..
00:56:39preglowherz42: could it just be your imagination, though?
00:56:45preglowherz42: the timer should be freq independent on ipods
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00:57:43herz42preglow: could indeed be my imagination...
00:58:04amiconnpreglow: Iirc you also said backlight fade would flicker on ipod
00:58:14amiconnOn my mini2g nothing flickers...
00:58:17preglowamiconn: sure, at lower intensities, but i didn't say it would be cpu freq dependent
00:58:30preglowamiconn: flickers like a bitch here at long fade times and lower intensities
00:58:40preglowamiconn: i guess it's backlight dependent
00:59:10erichBagder: I know, I'm really amazed how well it already runs though.
00:59:56herz42preglow: did you try to vary the absolute on-times to see if flickering changes?
01:00:08goffagah... ../tools/configure: line 1042: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found
01:00:24goffaoh yeah
01:00:34goffaprobably path
01:01:20preglowherz42: nopes
01:01:41Mikachuherz42: on my nano, it's very flickery at the 2 setting, but 3 and anything higher is stable, not using cpu freq scaling
01:02:25preglowMikachu: why not using freq scaling?
01:02:43Mikachui don't know
01:03:29herz42Mikachu: 2 is definitely bad. for 3 I also have to strain to see flickering, but it's there a little bit
01:03:48herz42at least in my imagination :)
01:03:49preglowMikachu: best kind of reason, granted
01:03:52Mikachuif i shake my ipod real fast i can see that it's only on for certain times
01:03:59Mikachu(not recommended for hard disk based players)
01:04:02preglowMikachu: try throwing it at the wall
01:04:32preglowMikachu: fancy-ass, i just tried it
01:04:33Mikachui did the same thing in apple os, and it didn't look at all like that
01:04:44Mikachuit just faded out everywhere on the line
01:04:48preglowMikachu: i think they use the pcf
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01:05:03Mikachudoes that mean their pwm is much faster?
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01:05:35preglowok, now my arm's tired
01:05:55Mikachuuse the secondary arm
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01:06:18preglowi just sat shaking the bugger for like half a minute until i noticed my hand was covering the click wheel...
01:06:51preglowbut yeah, i think almost all ipods have some other fading method
01:07:11webguest35H140, I'm watching the cpu freq during mp3 playback, and I see that it boosts to 124M every 10secs for a few milliseconds and then back to 45M continuously
01:07:23preglowsoon it'll never boost
01:07:44webguest35but if the buffer is full, why does it boost
01:07:52preglowit shouldn't
01:07:58preglowunless the backlight turns off/on
01:08:09webguest35backlight is off
01:08:19preglowwhen it switches it boosts
01:08:36preglowif the pcm level is high, it should never boost unless the backlight fades or the mp3 buffer is filled
01:08:41Mikachubug, the backlight doesn't work in doom with the patch :)
01:08:53Mikachui know why but it would be better with full on than full off
01:09:15webguest35backlight has been off for a while and it still boosts to 124 for a few millisecs every 10~11 secs
01:09:16amiconnpreglow, Mikachu: Interesting, I just did the shake test with my mini2g
01:09:26*dwihno dreams of insane ipod opts
01:09:38preglowdwihno: i dream about cooler stuff
01:09:42amiconnI couldn't see the pwm flicker effect. Maybe the mini has some hardware smoothing
01:09:44Mikachusomehow, the backlight stopped working even when i exited doom
01:09:51preglowamiconn: didn't you mention that?
01:09:51dwihnopreglow: then you need to sharpen up your nerd factor :)
01:10:05preglowamiconn: i thought you said it did some kind of fading no matter if pwm fading was enabled or not
01:10:09preglowamiconn: i know 4g does that
01:11:01amiconnAh, right
01:11:40amiconnI just re-checked that, 'natural' fade-out delay is ~0.5 sec
01:11:49preglowideally we should use that fade
01:11:59preglowbut i have no idea how, not even for 4g where we have the source code to enable it
01:12:08*amiconn didn't remember because he had rockbox fade-out enabled
01:13:52herz42Mikachu: does doom use the timer for itself?
01:13:52Mikachui am pretty sure this is already in cvs
01:13:56Mikachuherz42: yes
01:14:08Mikachuherz42: without your patch, fades don't happen, but it still turns on and off
01:14:20Mikachuherz42: it also stayed broken after i exited doom
01:14:47herz42maybe the isr stuff got screwed
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01:16:22preglowamiconn: i know the pcf can do pwm, doesn't all ipods have a pcf chip?
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01:17:03amiconnpreglow: yes
01:17:23amiconnStill, the backlight needs to be hooked up to the right pcf pin
01:17:36amiconnDunno whether that's the case
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01:20:01preglowamiconn: good point, i don't really know how it's connected
01:20:17preglowamiconn: though i've noticed a lot of the ipods need to flip two pins for backlight settings
01:20:30amiconnThe H300 has this kind of backlight control
01:20:44preglowin some types you even write a value to a register that's not just one bit
01:20:47amiconnVery useful for brightness setting, but unsuitable for fading
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01:21:11amiconnpreglow: Isn't that just the PP port bit masking?
01:21:23preglowamiconn: no, i believe the 4g case is not bit masking
01:22:20Moosgood night
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01:22:32*amiconn just tested the 'penalty' of the jumptable fix (in gcc 3.3.6)
01:22:49amiconnMerely +176 bytes, I think we can live with that ;)
01:23:13preglowa better fix would have no penalty, no?
01:23:18Mikachuyou can sprinkle some inlines around to compensate
01:23:21amiconnAlmost no
01:23:28goffanot if you are programing vista
01:24:15amiconnThe current fix has a penalty of n bytes for an n-case switch() whose longest jump is between 128 and 255 bytes
01:24:44amiconnThe 'correct fix would have a penalty of 2 bytes in such a case (compared to the wrong code)
01:25:11amiconn(one instruction)
01:26:47***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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01:31:42Incdo you guy's have ogg support?
01:32:15Incwhat's the bitrate?
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01:32:22preglowall of them
01:32:29Incwhich is?
01:32:34preglowthat is, what player?
01:32:50amiconnHmm, -Os does cost a bit of performance
01:32:53Mikachuwhat do you mean "what's the bitrate?"?
01:33:01preglowit supports most oggs, then
01:33:11preglowperhaps not all of the q9 and q10 ones
01:33:45*amiconn hopes for 3.4.x or even 4.x to fix this
01:33:47Mikachuamiconn: i can set the pitch to 145% without Os and about 110% with
01:33:58preglowamiconn: any idea what might cause the vanishing disk label? afaik, you have a look at the fat code
01:34:22amiconnpreglow: No, sorry
01:34:34preglowamiconn: who knows about the fat code, then?
01:34:37Mikachui could make my fstab nicer if you fixed that
01:34:43preglowamiconn: i don't like the idea of us having bugs in it
01:35:01amiconnpreglow: I know a bit about the fat code, but I have no idea how it could make the disk label vanish
01:35:20preglowamiconn: i deleted my recordings/ dir, i'm pretty sure that was what deleted my disk label
01:35:47amiconnMikachu: Of course on hwcodec I can't perform that test. I did a different (not very scientific) test instead, running cube both on Ondio FM (gcc 3.3.6 -Os) and Ondio SP (gcc 3.3.6 -O)
01:35:47Mikachui mkdosfs'd with -f nano, but it's unlabeled now
01:35:56Mikachuamiconn: ah
01:36:03amiconnRuns about 7% slower with -Os
01:36:09Mikachuamiconn: mine wasn't very scientific either :)
01:36:16Mikachui did make sure to use the same track though
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01:37:23preglowamiconn: one could argue speed isn't that important on hwcodec, though
01:37:36amiconnNot currently, no
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01:38:09*amiconn wants mod playback...
01:38:16preglowforget it...
01:38:26preglow_perhaps_ you could have 4 channel .mod
01:38:40amiconnYes, 4 chan should be possible
01:38:48preglowbut it would need to be custom
01:39:19amiconnThe cpu is faster than a stock 68000/7MHz. We will need to mix channels, but then the SH1 has mac...
01:39:29preglowindeed it does
01:39:35preglowsounds like a fun project
01:40:05amiconn...and the pcm output uses dma, so not much cpu load caused by that
01:40:10preglowwhat sfreq does amiga mod players usually use?
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01:40:40amiconn4-chan mods use a maximum of ~28800 Hz
01:41:06amiconnThat's the maximum the paula chip can handle when video is in pal or ntsc mode
01:41:18preglowamiga sound chip drives the dacs itself, right?
01:41:29preglowso you can pretty much use whatever sfreq you like?
01:41:45preglowi've got a mate who used amigas, so i know a bit
01:41:49amiconnThe paula has 4 channels with 8-dit dacs, two for each stereo channel
01:42:03amiconnThere's a 6 bit volume setting for each channel
01:42:30amiconnIt's not exactly 6bit, because it goes 0..64 instead of 0..63
01:42:31Hotfusionhmm the right cord for my iaudio headphones is longer than the left
01:42:51amiconnSOme clever guys made a 14bit audio driver this way
01:42:55preglowamiconn: weird...
01:43:07Hotfusionnever seen headset that way
01:43:13preglowamiconn: by combining dac output with level output, yes?
01:43:15midgey34Hotfusion: are they a pair designed to go around the back of the head?
01:43:26Hotfusionnah stick in your ear kind
01:43:31Hotfusionjust bizarre
01:43:38amiconnYes, setting one of each side's channels to vol=64, the other one to vol=1
01:44:01midgey34I meant is the cord designed to rest on the back of the neck or underneath the chin (like most do)
01:44:06amiconnThere's even a calibration program to minimize the nonlinearities of the dacs
01:44:08preglowthough 8 bit isn't that bad if you dither
01:44:13preglowthough they never did in those times
01:45:41amiconnpreglow: Since the max. is ~28800 Hz, we should mix to 32000Hz pcm on archos
01:45:56sharpei fell asleep...
01:46:05preglowsharpe: lucky you
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01:46:20preglowamiconn: what sample rates does the pcm codec do?
01:46:27HotfusionI'll either get the sennheiser PX-100 or Audio Technica ATH-EM7 GM. Not sure which yet
01:46:32amiconnAll the standard ones known from mp3 etc
01:46:52amiconn8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24/32/44.1/48 kHz
01:47:15amiconn16bit, big or little endian, stereo or mono
01:47:26amiconnJust that we still need to bitswap...
01:48:08amiconnWe could also use non-standard sample rates by misusing the mas pll (like for pitch), but that'll probably break s/pdif out
01:48:31preglowwon't break it, but you'll get wavs that are tagged real funny
01:48:33amiconnI still find it remarkable that we can overclock the mas to 200% ...
01:49:56preglowit can probably take much more too
01:50:12preglowpower consumption sets a limit before excessive heat does
01:51:21webguest35is there any way to have crossfeed come on automatically if the info was flagged in the comments field of the ID3 tag ?
01:51:29amiconnThe mas runs at 22 or 24MHz internally, depending on the sample rate
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01:53:16preglowwebguest35: no
01:53:41preglowwebguest35: as in of course it's possible, but no, not something i can see us ever doing by default
01:54:47preglowgood reason to pick up on programming
01:54:55webguest35some old 60's and 70's music sounds better with crossfeed, I was thinking that it would be cool to have the info in the tag
01:55:12preglowwebguest35: yeah, i agree, but i think it's a wee bit too esoteric to include in default rockbox
01:55:21amiconnwtf! My mini2g is skipping :(
01:55:26preglowamiconn: "surprise"
01:55:30webguest35yep you're right, asm or C
01:55:34preglowwebguest35: c
01:55:45preglowwebguest35: you'll very, very seldom need asm
01:55:58preglowunless you're insane and happen to like it, like me
01:56:21webguest35wouldn't want to follow in your footsteps :-)
01:56:40amiconnasm is fun...
01:57:08muesliiiiiamiconn u scare me
01:57:41amiconnmuesliiiii: Take a look at some of my asm functions, like e.g. coldfire memcpy() ...
01:57:43*preglow preeeeeglow
01:57:51preglowmuesliiiii: don't
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01:58:19muesliiiiidunno anything about asm but its code looks hardcore
01:58:28amiconnpreglow: Should I suggest your imdct stuff instead?
01:58:34preglowamiconn: ahahah, don't
01:58:43preglowi nearly went cross-eyed from writing it
01:59:07preglowluckily someone even deeper in the clutches of insanity, toni1, has rewritten it
01:59:29amiconnSpeaking about that - any reason to hold back the commit?
01:59:36preglowjust need a wee bit more testing
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01:59:45amiconnDid you re-check the sine wave cases you mentioned?
01:59:47preglowi'm going to commit it tomorrow if nothing pops up
01:59:52preglowyep, it works just fine now
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02:01:48preglowit pays to keep sine wave samples around, it almost always triggers subtle bugs
02:02:32chiis vfat the same as fat32?
02:02:46preglowchi: yea
02:02:53amiconnchi: No, it's a separate concept
02:03:09sharpeseems like it'd be like, "virtual fat"
02:03:16amiconnfat can be fat12, fat16 or fat32 depending on the disk size
02:03:19Mikachuvfat is the long filenames stuff i think
02:03:25amiconnvfat means the long filename extension
02:03:28sharpebut it's just an inference.
02:03:45chiso as a lable in fdisk win95fat32 is not the same as dosfstools mkfs.vfat?
02:03:46Mikachuso you can have long filenames on fat16 if you want
02:03:54amiconnvfat can be used with either fat format
02:03:57sharpeyou know what'd be a redundant filesystem? a virtual filesystem stored on disk.
02:04:03amiconnMikachu: Yes, that's even pretty common
02:04:05Mikachubut rockbox doesn't like fat16
02:04:12Mikachui have found that out empirically :)
02:04:26amiconnfloppy disks are practically always fat12, and most flash cards are fat16
02:04:32amiconnMikachu: That's incorrect
02:04:43chiMikachu, thats exactly what im trying to do ha
02:04:51Mikachuamiconn: it wouldn't find the free sector to save config in, so it crapped out a bit
02:04:55Mikachuthe filesystem bit works fine
02:04:55amiconnRockbox does support fat16, it's just not enabled for all targets
02:04:58preglowso fat32 without vfat is possible?
02:05:12amiconnWe need to support fat16 on Ondio
02:05:19amiconnpreglow: Yes
02:05:55chii would use this "mkfs.vfat" to make a fat32 file system tho?
02:06:09amiconnIn fact it has onlyvery little to do with the file system itself, so a non-vfat aware application can read and write a partition containing vfat filenames
02:06:23preglowwell, yeah, but it'd look like crap
02:06:35Mikachuchi: you have to say -F 32
02:06:35preglowamiconn: doesn't vfat split file names into several 8.3 file names?
02:06:41amiconnIt would only see the shortnames, that's what they are for
02:06:48chioh ok thanks Mikachu ;]
02:06:53goffayay.. mpcs play through again
02:07:12amiconnpreglow: Yes, but all the extended entries are invisible in a non-vfat system
02:07:24amiconnThat's achieved by a special attribute combination
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02:08:14amiconnWith vfat, every file can have 2 names, the 8.3 name (mandatory) and the longname
02:09:00amiconnThe longnames would even stay intact if a non-vfat system writes to the disk
02:10:24amiconnMikachu: It's very simple to enable fat16 support for other targets
02:11:03amiconnJust add #define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT to the appropriate config-*.h file
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02:14:53Mikachuamiconn: it would find the config sector then?
02:15:17amiconnHmm, finding the config sector is independent of file system support
02:15:24Mikachuthat's the only thing that didn't work
02:15:34Mikachuand it would pop up a splash lasting 2 seconds every attempt or so
02:15:45amiconnWhat did you do?
02:15:59Mikachuaccidentally formatted without -F 32 and installed as usual
02:16:34amiconnIf that really would have been fat16, rockbox wouldn't have booted
02:17:19amiconnThe most likely cause for the "partition?" splash is that the disk was accidentally formatted in superfloppy mode, i.e. without a partition table
02:17:41Mikachui don't think it said partition?, i got something like can't find config sector
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02:19:34Mikachubut i don't particularly want to use fat16
02:19:42chiis there an MBR on a nano? i just made a small bootalbe partition
02:20:04chi Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
02:20:04chi/dev/sdc1 * 1 41 80042 b W95 FAT32
02:20:04chi/dev/sdc2 42 1023 1917846 b W95 FAT32
02:20:20chilooks right to me heh?
02:20:31Mikachuwhat did you do to your old sdc1?
02:20:44amiconnYour firmware partition is gone
02:20:45Mikachuyou sort of removed the rockbox bootloader
02:20:49chiMikachu, before i heard of rockbox i had accidently formated my nano =\
02:21:10Mikachuyou want an Empty partition from block 1 to 10
02:21:12Mikachuthen a fat32
02:21:27preglowno worries
02:21:31preglowjust restore it
02:21:37chiand i can use dd right?
02:21:47Mikachuyou have to create some proper partitions before the ipod restorer will detect it
02:21:48amiconnApple's choice of partition type 0 certainly wasn't the best
02:21:50chito blank the first 10 blocks
02:22:03Mikachuamiconn: will rockbox find the fat partition if i set the type to fat hidden?
02:22:19Mikachuchi: they're not going to be blank
02:22:30amiconnMikachu: Rockbox doesn't care about the partition type, you could set it to anything
02:22:36amiconn(just avoid type 5)
02:22:45Mikachumaybe apple's os wouldn't like it though...
02:22:46preglowwhich is?
02:22:48Mikachui'll just try
02:22:53Hotfusionwell after listening to some 38 special on the iaudio I'd say im impressed. Don't like it that I have to it pause then left to stop play. Headphones hurt a little but great sound
02:23:03Mikachupreglow: extended
02:23:12amiconnIt just tries to mount every non-zero-type partition as fat32, except type 5
02:23:18preglowHotfusion: pause then left to stop play???
02:23:22amiconnpreglow: Type 5 is 'extended partition'
02:23:43HotfusionI'll add on the rockbox firmware probably tomorrow sometime
02:24:24*preglow hugs his h120
02:24:29preglowbest mp3 player i'll ever have
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02:24:56muesliiiiimy h320 isnt a real competitor
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02:25:01preeeeeglowhell no
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02:25:14preeeeeglowi didn't want to gamble on freenode accepting too long nicks :P
02:25:31muesliiiiii broke with my h120 long time ago
02:25:36Mikachuit seems to work fine with hidden
02:25:37*amiconn prefers the H340 over the H140
02:25:39dpassen1my 120 is still going strong
02:25:48preeeeeglowmuesliiiii: how? sounds like a painful process
02:25:50muesliiiiiregret it *sniff*
02:25:52preeeeeglowamiconn: why?
02:26:10Mikachubut for some reason retail os asks me for language everytime i start it now
02:26:11muesliiiiii was horny for the color lcd *shame*
02:26:13chido i need a bootable flag anywhere?
02:26:14Hotfusion*goes to read manual
02:26:17amiconnWay better placement of controls, and better readability
02:26:22*Hotfusion goes to read manual some more
02:26:24amiconn(No, I don't mean the colour)
02:26:30preeeeeglowamiconn: better readability, actually
02:26:36preeeeeglowi wouldn't have expected that
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02:27:03amiconnThe backlight of the H1x0 shouldn't be called a 'light'
02:27:04Mikachuchanging back to unhidden, and it fonud my old settings again
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02:27:18muesliiiiimuch better keys and admirable runtime :o
02:27:28Mikachuchi: only if you want to boot a computer with it
02:27:31preglowamiconn: i kinda understand what you mean, but i think the h1x0 has nice readability
02:27:43preglowbut then again, i very seldom actually look at the screen
02:28:02*chi feels foolish
02:28:05preglowwhat i care about is the fact that it's got everything
02:28:11amiconnIn a bright environment, readability of the H1x0 is better than H300
02:28:23Mikachuin sunlight, i can't tell if nano backlight is on or off
02:28:26amiconnThat's why I usually prefer b/w lcds over colour
02:28:28preglowamiconn: if it's anything like my mobile phone, then hell yeah
02:28:41preglowi can't fucking read my mobile phone in direct sunlight
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02:29:22muesliiiiii miss the joystick :o
02:29:36preglowi wouldn't
02:29:40preglowit's my least favourite part
02:29:41amiconnI like the H300 not having a joystick
02:29:44preglowbut it doesn't annoy me too much
02:30:03amiconn..and also the butons not scattered all over the various surfaces
02:30:05goffajoystick is good for navigation, but i tend to bump it
02:30:13preglowi tend to slip on it
02:30:18preglowbloody little prick
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02:30:38amiconnThe H300 buttons are also less than perfect
02:30:40goffai'm thinking about a 340
02:30:47muesliiiiii am using the remote in 99% if all cases but the joystick itself roxxx
02:30:54preglowi almost need to sand my fingers before using the h1x0 joystick
02:30:56goffawould be good to have in addition to my x5
02:31:10muesliiiiigoffa dont do that!
02:31:19muesliiiiijust another brick in the wall!
02:31:37preglowmuesliiiii: you have iriver or cowon?
02:31:44*amiconn would like the H1x0 technology with H300 buttons & case with a bright, white backlight
02:31:44muesliiiiithe h320
02:32:00muesliiiiiactually an h330 ;)
02:32:03preglowi was just wondering what the cowon joystick was as compored to the iriver one
02:32:15goffai want more storage
02:32:19goffathat's all i know
02:32:21preglowi want more beer
02:32:27preglowthat's all i know
02:32:28Mikachui want candy o/~
02:32:39goffai'd like to stick an 80gb or so in my x5
02:32:44goffabut i wonder about battery
02:32:51preglowgoffa: give it another couple of years and you'll have it
02:32:52goffa2 players would give more storage and more battery
02:32:53amiconnpreglow: It's better to operate, but was either made for left-handed people, or people with very short fingers
02:32:59amiconn(wrong placement, imho)
02:33:00preglowamiconn: i know
02:33:02goffapreglow: i want it NOW :P
02:33:02muesliiiiipreglow x5's joystick is a pain in the ass but not a joystick!
02:33:05preglowand i agree
02:33:16preglowgoffa: then you're out of luck
02:33:24preglowmuesliiiii: ok, that's a contradiction
02:33:26*goffa is aware
02:33:40goffaso 2 players will have to do for now
02:33:52preglowyeah, i think two'll do for me as wel
02:33:56muesliiiiithe x5 is yummy slim but its display suxxx either
02:34:01*preglow punches his enter key
02:34:14Mikachuah, so that's why it doesn't work
02:34:17*amiconn could store 176GB on all his rockboxes (manufacturer GB)
02:34:18goffayeah... to be honest i like my x5
02:34:37preglowamiconn: GiB?
02:34:41Mikachunot GiB
02:34:49preglowi forget
02:35:00Mikachusurely it's a capital G?
02:35:05preglowis it, though?
02:35:11Mikachunot sure, those french are crazy
02:35:12amiconnMikachu: yep
02:35:14goffayeah its GB or Gb
02:35:21preglownah, b is for bit, B is for byte
02:35:24Mikachugoffa: that's not what we're talking about
02:35:46muesliiiiii could kick iriver for not building in h3xx lcd in h1xx chasis
02:35:47MikachuGi ~ 1024, G ~ 1000
02:35:53preglowMikachu: crazy isn't the right word, i would have used "crackpots"
02:36:36preglowmuesliiiii: the other way around and we're talking
02:36:44Mikachuthe problem is nobody uses Gi, so G can still mean either
02:36:55preglowmuesliiiii: plus stuff the spdif's in and a more reasonble clock selction interface on the coldfire, and it'd be bloody ultimate
02:37:01goffadepends on if you're buying or selling
02:37:01chieverytime i do dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdc it recks my partition table
02:37:18Mikachuchi: no shit
02:37:20muesliiiiipreglow true
02:37:29Mikachuchi: you want to write it to /dev/sdc______1______
02:37:35preglowi don't expect to see anything cooler than my h120 come by for a long while
02:37:36amiconnchi: of=/dev/sd1 not /dev/sdc
02:37:47Mikachusdc is your whole device, _including_ the partition table
02:37:49chii see
02:38:02*chi learns something new
02:38:05muesliiiiii guess i will downgrade again
02:38:28Mikachuchi: sorry if that came out rude :)
02:38:39chisall good ;]
02:38:44muesliiiiibut wouldnt to buy an ipod
02:38:58muesliiiiibut i have to kick that shitty touch wheel first
02:39:23goffabuying an ipod would make me feel dirty
02:39:31scorcheamiconn: my fingers hurt =(
02:39:48goffaalthough 60gb would be nice too
02:39:55muesliiiiithey have to improve audio quality first. unless its not a real choice
02:40:08scorcheamiconn: i wasted like 2 hours playing bubbles on my archos...
02:40:10chiamiconn, /dev/sd1 <- that wont write to my other scsis' ?
02:40:19goffajust assumed audio quality was poor due to itunes
02:40:21amiconnscorche: hehe.
02:40:28goffadidn't realize that was an issue
02:40:30Mikachuchi: he meant sdc1, like i said
02:40:33amiconnchi: sry typo :/
02:40:33muesliiiiigoffa just take an h340 or h340 and built in toshibas 60gb drive
02:40:44goffamuesliiiii: that was the plan
02:41:18chioh i see so the larger partiotion should be sdc2?
02:41:21amiconnmuesliiiii: My impression is that the WM8xxx codecs used in the ipods deliver better quality than the UDA1380 in the irivers
02:41:29goffai've been pretty satisfied with my x5 as far as sound goes
02:41:29Mikachuchi: yes
02:41:31preglownot mine
02:41:40muesliiiiibut im pretty sure toshiba will release a 40 60gb single platter sometime
02:41:42preglowthe software eq in my nano is shite
02:41:53Mikachudidn't you write that?
02:41:54preglowhardware :-D
02:42:03preglowi blame it on the beer
02:42:08goffathere's supposed to be an mk8007gah coming out sometime soon
02:42:12muesliiiiiamiconn never listened to an ipod but people who did werent pleased :-/
02:42:13amiconnpreglow: The WM8711 doesn't have any tone controls :/
02:42:17preglowit's not the fact that i'm insane, no, siree
02:42:23preglowamiconn: none at all?
02:42:24Mikachucertainly not
02:42:31amiconnmuesliiiii: I actually did. I *have* one
02:42:41goffaheh... now if i could get an 80gb flash player ;)
02:42:42amiconnpreglow: yups
02:42:47preglowamiconn: weird
02:42:59preglowamiconn: btw, wasn't that so for x5 as well?
02:43:00muesliiiiitime to lose some i's
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02:43:14amiconnpreglow: Yes, afaik
02:43:18preglowi remember contemplating writing a software treble/bass boost for it
02:44:02amiconnBtw, the ipl people aren't 100% correct about the mini2g audiocodec
02:44:04preglowthat is, i've already done it, it was more whether there was any point in using it
02:44:10preglowamiconn: no surprise there
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02:44:46amiconnThe driver is WM8731 for the whole family, which also means 8721 and 8711
02:45:00muesli-but im pretty happy that u fantastic guys keep on porting on other players. would be a mess if theres no rockbox future on further targets
02:45:20amiconnipl code says mini and mini2g have 8731 with recording disconnected, so they set the id to 8721
02:45:30goffarockbox HAS to port to other players in order to survive
02:45:32scorchespeaking of having them as a see also link on the rockbox wikipedia page really neccssary?
02:45:34amiconnMy mini2g has a 8711 though
02:45:38goffain 3 years everything will be obsolete anyway
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02:45:51goffaand out of warranty and hard to find
02:46:29preglowif you ask me, much of the point in rockbox is that you don't need to buy new hardware all the time
02:46:43preglowespecially now that we've got swcodec platforms, we can do pretty much everything we want
02:46:47goffatrue.. but finding old hardware can prove tricky
02:46:50preglowno need to buy new players anymore
02:46:54preglowgoffa: not with ipods
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02:47:02preglowgoffa: everyone's got an old one they don't need
02:47:08Mikachuin two years streets will be littered with old ipods
02:47:27goffalike i said... owning an ipod would make me feel dirty :)
02:47:34preglowa lot of the ipods can take quite a beating
02:47:42preglowi think the nanos will survive for quite a while
02:48:00preglowwhen we start utilising the second core, it'll be a very powerful platform
02:48:10Mikachudoes ipl know how to do that?
02:48:14preglowso do we
02:48:17chihrm still doesnt work =/ i dont realy create the sdc1 partitionn tho right just sdc2 starting at block 11??
02:48:22preglowit isn't hard
02:48:28webguest77preglow, I coated/painted my H140's joystick with black nail varnish, works a treat, great finish and provides grip, can also build up the dimple if so desired
02:48:29preglowit's just that adapting rockbox will be a bit hard
02:48:36muesli-im dreaming of an flash-based 40gb drive :o
02:48:41preglowwebguest77: yeah, i've heard of that
02:48:43Mikachuat least you already have threads
02:48:51goffamuesli-: me too, me too
02:48:52preglowMikachu: doesn't help
02:49:24preglowMikachu: we pretty much need to decide which threads should be run on which core, then make sure the threads on the different core doesn't talk too much among themselves
02:49:30muesli-runtime would be wonderful..
02:49:32amiconnI wonder whether we should use the second core at all
02:49:56goffaflac would be an option too muesli-... i'd go broke because i'd have like 5 of them
02:50:17amiconnWell, perhaps except for video, if someone feels the desire to implement that
02:50:23goffaand it would take up less space than a 20 cd holder
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02:50:36muesli-imho flac is waste of memory. highly encoded mps do it as well
02:50:36preglowamiconn: i think we should, but not yet
02:50:58goffaand with my er4s or e5c's it'd be lite to boot
02:51:02preglowrunning on one core is a great reason to optimise more
02:51:04preglowand we need that
02:51:20goffayeah atm i use ogg and mpc on the portable
02:51:37preglowand in the case of ipods, not only codecs need optimising
02:51:39preglowthe core does too
02:51:41amiconnBut when it's optimised enough, we don't need the second core at all
02:51:50chimaybe the problem is my bootpartition.bin i think i got from kapheine. since i didnt have my own to start with after formating it heh
02:51:52preglowsure, and if that's where we end up, then hooray
02:52:18preglowi think the whole strategy with two cores was a bit of a cheat by portalplayer anyway
02:52:19muesli-what is the sake for the 2nd core at all? ->video?
02:52:29amiconnImho one of the big problems is the inability to change timings for many hardware components
02:52:40preglowamiconn: how?
02:53:36amiconnThe lcd updates on the greyscale ipods are slow, but not because of the amount of data to move
02:53:36*goffa realizes he is in doors
02:53:43goffatime to hop on the bike
02:53:45preglowahh, right
02:54:02Mikachuaren't they slow on color ipods too?
02:54:09preglowbut that's pretty much because we don't know how, not because we can't
02:54:56amiconnThat's the same for me, here. We have no docs...
02:55:18*preglow kicks portalplayer
02:55:23preglowbloody fools
02:55:34*amiconn joins in kicking portalplayer
02:55:35preglowi hope they go bankrupt
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02:56:04Mikachuselling 500 million chips is probably not a good way to go bankrupt
02:56:20preglowMikachu: their future might not be that bright, though
02:56:21muesli-what is portalplayer?
02:56:37preglowmuesli-: the people who make the main chip in the ipods
02:56:52chimaybe someone could take a peek and let me know if that looks ok?
02:57:15preglowhell no
02:57:19preglowyou're lacking the boot partition
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02:57:45preglowand you wrote to a partition that doesn't exist
02:57:48Mikachuchi: i told you, you want an Empty partition between block 1 to 10
02:58:01Mikachuyou probably just copied the file to /dev
02:58:10chiby empty you mean ? no system id?
02:58:19Mikachuchi: there is an id called Empty
02:58:26Mikachumost likely number 0
02:58:40preglowMikachu: where you the one who did the kirby dance, btw?
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02:59:01*Mikachu does the kirby dance <('')> <("<) (>"<) (>")> <('')>
02:59:09*preglow does the copy to a text file
02:59:11Mikachui have stolen it from someone though
02:59:18Mikachuthere is also
02:59:20*Mikachu does the kirby dance <(o.o^) (^o.o^) (^o.o)> (>o.o)> (vo.o)> (vo.ov) <(o.ov) <(o.o<)
02:59:23*Mikachu does the kirby dance <('.'^) (^'.'^) (^'.')> (>'.')> (v'.')> (v'.'v) <('.'v) <('.'<)
02:59:32Mikachubut i like the first one best
02:59:43preglowme too
02:59:51preglowthought the fact that there exists more tickles me
02:59:58preglowsomeone out there is more clever than me!
03:00:09chidoes sdc1 need to be fat32 also?
03:00:18Mikachuit should be Empty
03:00:22chisorry for asking so many uestions
03:00:27Mikachutype 0
03:00:33Mikachuthen you write rockboot.bin there
03:01:02preglowquestions are allowed
03:01:12preglowthough you should just try to make it all one fat32 partition, then restore it
03:01:28preglowon the accounts of it being foolproof
03:02:12Mikachuthis works too, if he has the mbr and apple_os.bin backups
03:02:26Mikachunot sure how picky it is about the mbr
03:03:27preglowme neither
03:06:15chithank you guys for putting up with me
03:06:16preglowat last1
03:06:29preglowa small donation will show your apprecation more properly!"
03:06:35preglow<−−- asshole
03:07:14Hotfusionjust plain wrong o_O O_o
03:07:19preglowand sad
03:08:34preglowtime to say moo
03:09:54preglowwrong animal
03:10:22preglowcorrect animals, but wrong time of day
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03:10:41preglowwrong... whatever...
03:11:13preglowi expect an answer to what that was supposed to be, btw :P
03:11:15Mikachui hope that is a milking noise
03:11:50Hotfusionhe's still thinking about his asshole
03:12:05preglowi didn't notice
03:13:09*Hotfusion imagines tumbleweed rolling by
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03:55:53scorcheif im outputting on digital or optical outputs of audio the quality of the card makes no difference right for audio quality only the dac of the speaker subsystem or whatever right?
03:56:15Mikachuthat sounds like a reasonable assumption
03:57:03quirckyou need to prewarm the digital cables to ambient temperature to minimize jitter... ;)
03:57:19Mikachuthere are people who would tell you it matters which way you plug in the cable
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03:57:27Mikachuelectron alignment and stuff
03:58:50scorchequirck: cool, ill just pour some coffee that my cd cupholder is holding on it
03:59:21*Mikachu juggles som shakti stones and pours yoghurt on quirck
03:59:44scorchewould it be better to have a good sound card and output analogue to each one straight off the card, or actually get a speaker set and hope the conversion is as good as the speakers whatever quality that may be
04:00:58quirckdedicated dac is always the preferred way to go...
04:01:31quirckespecially since major rockbox platforms archos and ihp1x0 have digital outs...
04:02:32scorchewhat exactly constitutes dedicated? a receiver?
04:03:41quirckjust a dac, digital in, line-level out, no builtin amp..
04:04:06Mikachuisn't having the least amount of cabling carrying analogue signals preferred?
04:04:27Mikachuunless you live in a faraday cage
04:04:47quirckor use shielded cables
04:06:22scorcheso a sound card is considered dedicated?
04:07:23quircksoundcard with digital out is a transport, soundcard's builtin dacs tend to be crappy...
04:07:57Hotfusionit would he hard to distinguish the sound if you had nice speakers. I mean I have Klipsch Pro Media 4.1 for going on 4 years now. Sound as good the day I got them and sound the same on my onboard vs my audigy 2 card.
04:08:00Mikachui guess those 1000$ soundcards have pretty good ones
04:08:15Hotfusionusually professional yea
04:11:23quirckit would be harder to distinguish the sound with poor speakers, the better the speakers or headphones, the more revealing they are for upstream limitations...
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04:22:58JdGordonbloody WGA... time to switch to linux...
04:23:21Incso should I use ipodlinux
04:23:27Incor should I use rockbox
04:23:34JdGordonrb of course..
04:23:35IncI don't want to damage my ipod.....
04:24:13lostlogicasdf;ljkasd;flkjasf ROCKBOX DON'T BREAK IPODS (neither does ipl, but rockbox is just better)
04:24:30IncI want it to play video games.
04:24:38lostlogicrockbox FTW
04:24:51lostlogicwhat games does IPL have any way?
04:24:53quirckthere is always but linux is definitely the way to go...
04:24:54lostlogicfor the win
04:25:02IncI see.
04:25:09Incipodlinux has half life
04:25:13IncI like half life :)
04:25:17lostlogicno it doesn't.
04:25:24Incyeah it does.
04:25:24lostlogicit has doom with a halflife level.
04:25:24scorcheipl has the wads
04:25:29lostlogicrockbox also has doom
04:25:38Incwith a half life level?
04:25:40lostlogicdoes our doom run those wads as well?
04:25:40Incand wads?
04:25:52lostlogicI am in a very mean mood, so I am going to stop speaking.
04:25:57IncI have the 5g.
04:26:07scorchelast i heard, someone was working on getting some other wads to work
04:26:09Inclostlogic, hahah I can bite don't worry.
04:26:20Incscorche, so ipl has more support for wads?
04:26:36scorchei wouldnt saythat
04:26:37Incif you download iDoom, you can have doom, quake and other games on it.
04:26:50scorcheyou can have the same games with rockbox
04:27:08IncI see.
04:27:19Incso for gaming I'd have the same support with rockbox?
04:27:25IncI also like the boot menu.......
04:27:33Incbecause I like to boot um
04:27:38Incapple firmware first
04:27:43*scorche wishes he could remember who it was that was talking about the wads earlier
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04:28:04scorcheto the logs!
04:28:09Incwho has more support for the 5g?
04:29:02lostlogicus, afaik
04:29:13IncI see.
04:29:39scorcheah...found it
04:29:49Incwhat about it?
04:30:04Incok I guess I just need help setting ipod firmware to default
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04:30:09scorchesererokr, and kkurbjun were apparently talking about it
04:30:13Incso I can just hit menu for 5 seconds to boot into rockbox
04:30:40scorchesererockr was saying he was working on the wads to make em work
04:30:50lostlogicInc: when you install rockbox, it boots up by default
04:30:53lostlogichold menu to boot apple OS
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04:31:37Incyes but I want apple to boot default
04:31:39Hotfusionhmm default iaudio speakers clip at volume 20 (non-rockbox firm)
04:32:59lostlogicInc: you'd hafta build your own rockbox bootloader with that setting changed.
04:33:18Incsomeone had a patch somewhere I think I have it but don't know how to patch it
04:33:18Shadowarrior13Is anyone in the ipl room TODAY?
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04:33:26Incnever is
04:33:36Shadowarrior13I need someone to ask why I'm banned :P
04:33:45Incany support for python?
04:34:11lostlogic... python... wtf?
04:34:33scorchelostlogic: <3 bashing
04:34:50lostlogicI got nothing against python
04:34:58lostlogicbut ... why asking in here about it...
04:35:14Inci want to run python code on my ipod :)
04:35:16scorcheInc: note that sererokr is working on making more wads wars is posted on there atm
04:35:20Incand ipl has that capability
04:35:30Incstar wars is on what?
04:35:40DyneIs rockbox able to charge the iPod Nano? I plug my wall adaptor in and it just endlessly reboots
04:35:40Inchell I'd install it for that.
04:35:50scorcheInc: go to the link i posted above
04:36:22Shadowarrior13You all fail.
04:36:25Galoisnano charging works fine via USB. Other people also have problems with wall adapters.
04:36:31lostlogicInc: no, rockbox is an audio player firmware, there is no reason to run python on it, nor is there a version of python written to run without libc (whcih rockbox does not have)
04:36:43GaloisI have no wall adapter, so I have no firsthand experience
04:37:04Incnice @ the rockbox
04:37:11scorcheInc: what would you want to run on your ipod with python?
04:37:22IncIF I code a game or something
04:37:25DyneGalois: Yeah, I'm going on vacation sans laptop and was just wondering about the wall adapter...Guess I'll just reboot into AppleOS then
04:37:37Incwell one more thing um...... can I add wads later on?
04:37:46Incand to patch shiz do I need to patch it now or later?
04:37:53scorcheInc: read the link i posted above...
04:38:08lostlogicInc: rockbox is all coded in C, so you could code a plugin game in C if you wanted to.
04:39:04Incoh so it can be done later?
04:39:16Incthe um wads
04:39:18scorcheInc: there is also a tracker link below the table of contents the comments if you are interested
04:39:39lostlogicInc: anything can be done later, it's not liek once you install rockbox you can't just upgrade at any time by copynig over a new version.
04:39:51Incwell one problem.
04:39:58IncI have some code to boot apple default
04:40:09scorche"some code"?
04:40:10Inchow do I patch it into the install or can that be done later?
04:41:02lostlogicInc: you would need to download the rockbox source, apply the patch, build a cross compiler toolchain for arm, build rockbox and install it
04:41:22Incoooof I think I'll do that later.
04:41:24lostlogicif you do not understand what I just said, read the CrossCompilers page and uhh whatever else is about building rockbox on our wiki, and possibly about compiling C programs in general.
04:41:30IncI'm to lazy to do compiling tonight
04:41:49Incthanks for your help though
04:41:53Inctime to attempt the install
04:44:23scorcheInc: the wiki is your best friend....if you go to the documentation index in it, there is a section "For Developers" that has plenty of information
04:46:50Incnow that I have everything done
04:46:58IncI just unzip rockbox to my root directory?
04:47:02Incthis seems to easy....
04:47:21lostlogicInc: you already ripped, patched, and replaced the ipod firmware file?
04:47:22Hotfusionyes but before you proceed, you must donate all devs
04:47:42Inclostlogic, yup I used the installer
04:47:49lostlogicwe have one of those?
04:48:04lostlogicin that case, yes, you just unzip rockbox.
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04:52:34Incit ereased my defualt firmware stuff (which is fine)
04:52:38Incbut I can't get into rockbox lol
04:52:47IncI hold down the menu key and all
04:52:56lostlogic_don't_ hold down the menu key
04:52:59lostlogicI said that already
04:53:02IncI try to turn it off. too.
04:53:05Incwhat did you say?
04:53:15lostlogicto go into rockbox, you boot up without holding menu.
04:53:22lostlogicto go into apple, you boot up holding menu
04:53:25scorcheInc: holding the menu key boots you into the ipod firmware
04:53:36Incwell I hold down the play / pause button.
04:53:41Incto turn it off
04:53:44Incand then it it again
04:53:50lostlogicit what?
04:53:51Incand it just boots into default firmware
04:53:59Incit's like it never turns off.
04:54:07lostlogicdoes the rockbox bootloader show up (white background and black text?)
04:54:29lostlogicholding play doesn't actually reboot the player, just hibernates it any way
04:54:29Inceh no it just shows a black background with white apple
04:54:35lostlogicyou must actually reboot the player
04:54:42Incok then how do you turn it off to actually reboot?
04:54:45lostlogictry holding menu and select to do a full reboot
04:54:56lostlogicsee if the rockbox boot loader shows up, if not, then you didn't correctly patch the firmware
04:55:44Incis it supposed to be booting the apple sign?
04:55:49Incnope nothin.
04:55:54Incthis is odd.....
04:55:55lostlogicit will do that first, then rockbox bootloader, then rockbox
04:56:23Incit brings up apple firmware.
04:56:33lostlogicthen you need to review the installation instructions and make sure you actually patch the firmware
04:56:41lostlogicas I said, I've not heard of nor used this installer doohicker
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04:57:30lostlogicis that a site? Then don't expect us to know how it works, nor why you have problems with it.
04:58:15Incheh. ok so you suggest I do it just by myself?
04:58:56lostlogicyes, I suggest that you read through the instructions on our wiki and follow them... you might even learn a little bit of something if you apply your brain to it.
04:59:15*scorche hugs lostlogic
04:59:23*lostlogic hugs scorche
04:59:40lostlogic*sigh* I'm _so_ not a tech support oriented person
04:59:41scorcheit sounded like you needed a hug
04:59:41Incyes. But I'm so busy otherstuff. I guess hahaha. oh welll
04:59:46lostlogicwhere's paul when we need him
04:59:53scorchehow true
05:00:24lostlogicInc: your patience is underwhelming.
05:00:52Inclostlogic, :)
05:01:08Incyes I do know that well I reunzipped to the root directory I shall give it another go I guess
05:01:22lostlogicInc: just unzipping rockbox does not install the boot loader.
05:01:31lostlogicInc: if you aren't seeing the bootloader, no amount of reunzipping will install rockbox.
05:01:43IncI know that. I already ran the installer :)
05:01:50Incthe bootloader should be where?
05:01:54*scorche sighs
05:01:59lostlogicbut you said the bootloader wasn't appearing during bootup, so it did not work
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05:02:05lostlogicso you need to follow the instructions on our wiki and install the bootloader
05:02:09IncI see.
05:02:14Incwill do ;)
05:02:15lostlogicwhich I've already said.
05:02:34lostlogicso scorche how are you this evening?
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05:03:48lostlogicmm... good point... I missed dinner... oh well, too late to care.
05:03:57Incoh this doesn't look good
05:04:04scorcheInc: ?
05:04:09Incit shows
05:04:23IncI probably toasted the firmware
05:04:42Incany idea?
05:05:00scorcheInc: did you read the disclaimer on the site you linked to us? =P
05:05:16Hotfusionthose damn disclaimers
05:05:36Incscorche, yeah I realized that now it's time probsably to restore the firmware right?
05:06:14scorchewell, like it is an unofficial installer....use at your own risk....but they need to include something about dont go to rockbox asking for help +P
05:06:53scorcheInc: bug lostlogic for help.....he needs more experience +P
05:07:01*scorche braces for impact
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05:08:06scorcheInc: in truth, i do not know as much as i would only personal experience with rockbox is on the archos units
05:08:15IncI see.
05:08:20*Inc pokes lostlogic
05:08:27scorchei know some about the ipod side of it, but not near what others do
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05:08:33*Inc stresses
05:09:02scorcheInc: and having patience makes us more willing to help you =)
05:09:57Incyeah I know.
05:10:07lostlogicInc: recommend restoring apple firmware with the apple firmware restore utility, and then starting again from scratch.
05:10:24lostlogicInc: I've not installed rockbox from windows ever, so I'm not much use on the "how do I install the bootloader from windows" part of the program.
05:10:39*lostlogic smacks scorche around a bit with a salmon
05:10:47Inclostlogic, but my ipods not toast right?
05:11:21Hotfusiondo the restore and report back
05:12:03scorchelostlogic: i like how youdeviated from the typical trout
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05:12:14lostlogicscorche: :)
05:12:15scorchebut salmon are a bit boring
05:12:21lostlogicInc: ipod not toast.
05:12:27lostlogicscorche: it was that or a swordfish.
05:12:36Inclostlogic, good
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05:18:24Incok back.
05:20:08lostlogichow's the patient?
05:20:29lostlogicapple restore didn't work?
05:20:40Incno it just finished but I had to update
05:20:44Incor something or other
05:21:03lostlogicand that makes the patient crappy? sounds fine in a general sort of way
05:21:18Incbecause I'm a negative person :).
05:21:41Incin other news. Can I run this install while I'm updateing firmware?
05:22:23Incwell I guess I "could" compile right now if I wanted.
05:22:24lostlogicthe firmware must be updated, and in good condition, then you must copy the apple firmware off to your computer, then you must patch rockbox bootloader into it, then you must copy it back to the player. The instructions for thsi are on the wiki *tries to find*
05:24:53scorchelostlogic: let the man find the instructions in the wiki on his own
05:25:21lostlogicconsidering it's the wiki page fucking called "IpodInstallation" I should have.
05:25:30scorchelike isaid...
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05:27:02Galoismore people would be able to find it if it were called iPodInstallation
05:27:15*Galois runs away to the gym
05:27:28scorcheyou are on the internet!!!
05:27:34scorchecome on man..i expect better
05:27:51Galoisthe gym doesn't even have cell signals, let alone wifi
05:27:54Incwow how long does it take
05:28:00Incto update the stupid firmware
05:28:18lostlogicthen don't go there.
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05:30:20IncI don't get why apple doesn't update their firmware very often....
05:31:01scorchecause they have to gothrough a ton of checks and test for bugs before they send it out
05:31:39IncI guess.
05:32:07IncI wish I had someone I knew who was in on the firmware to get betas all I know is an itunes guy haha
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05:34:27Incbbl thanks for the help
05:38:05Hotfusionjust think if it was microsoft, you'd have a new firmware everyday. albeit not the most stable, may crash alot but no firmware waiting
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06:03:44lostlogicany swcodec users who want to test selecting a new file / dir to play while audio is playing should do so.
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06:10:59jncis greyscale iPod supported?
06:11:22scott666the 4Gs are, AFAIK
06:11:26lostlogicjnc: 4g, and mini
06:11:30jncthe one with touch wheel, and separate buttons for |<-, |> ||, |_|, ->|
06:11:41scott666i think thats 3
06:11:42lostlogicwhich I dont' think is what youa re describing
06:13:49jncthe iPod i speak of, has red/orange-ish glowing buttons, monochrome lcd screen, 10G capacity, there's prev, play, menu, next buttons
06:14:02jncthen there's an unmarked button in the center of the touch wheel
06:14:19lostlogicjnc: look it up on our device chart, or on ipl's generations wiki page.
06:14:23lostlogicI believe that's 3g
06:15:44jncit does look like 3g
06:15:47jncgood guess!
06:16:01lostlogichmph, we do do CVS builds for it
06:16:06lostlogicbut I'm unsure if they run or what.
06:16:37lostlogicand now I sleep.
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06:21:41lostlogicfuck. after I commit and the daily build runs, then I realize it's broken.
06:22:40scott666ill make sure not to get tomorrow's daily then
06:23:15lostlogictoday in 38m's
06:23:35jncwhat *is* up with the 3gs
06:24:14scott666port to the iPod 3G is in progress but is not yet functional.
06:24:20jncoh okay
06:24:26lostlogicand no devs actualy own them.
06:24:32jncwant a donation?
06:24:40lostlogicjnc: of a 3g ipod?
06:24:46jnci can arrange it probably
06:24:53lostlogicmention it when the europeans are conscious tomorrow :)
06:25:29jncwhat's a rockbox supported player that'd be easy for an old man to use?
06:25:43scott666a new ipod?
06:25:54jncsomething like a video iPod yeah?
06:26:10scott666i believe they're also the only ones that you can actually go out and buy in a store
06:26:24scott666but I could be wrong about that
06:26:36jncmy grandfather's got a 3g, i could get him something nicer and take the 3g for a donation to y'all
06:27:30scott666out of curiosity, why is your grandfather interested in rockbox?
06:29:04jnche's mostly interested in Linux
06:29:18jncbut like, still having to dual boot for that iTunes stuff
06:29:31jncgtkpod isn't exactly user friendly
06:29:34scott666have you looked into ipodlinux?
06:29:49jncbriefly. not really wanting to run linux on an ipod
06:29:54jncjust listen to music.
06:29:55lostlogicrockbox has selectable fonts... good for old eyes :-D
06:30:10lostlogicthat's why my mother wants to switch her H120 to rockbox once 3.0 comes out
06:30:12jnclostlogic: yeah! i hoped that would be a win :)
06:31:04jncmaking fonts huge in Ubuntu dapper was super easy. doing the same in windows xp was an exercise in rebooting 4 times, and patching internet explorer for a font security hole
06:32:00lostlogicok, now for sleep... for real, I hope.
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06:32:32jncscott666: i own a pair of Zaurus units
06:32:46jnclinux on embedded device is fairly well covered
06:33:07jncscott666: i have an Sharp Zaurus C3000, and an Sharp Zaurus C3100
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06:33:27scott666ahh, those are the linux PDAs, right?
06:34:55bleakedquestion, on the original ipod firmware whenever the headphone jack would leave the device, the music would pause. and whenever the device was paused for a few minutes, the device would shut off. i _love_ these features. are they possible in rockbox?
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06:35:59scott666or 'possible to implement'
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06:36:29bleakedwell, i guess i would be interested in both answers
06:36:36bleaked(or whatever you wan t to answer)
06:37:35jncis $280usd the best price you folks know about, for iPod 30g video
06:38:02scott666unless you work for apple
06:38:04scorchesounds about right
06:38:30scorchei think i can get em for cheaper, but thenagain, that is a corporate thing
06:38:34scott666bleaked: i just got my ipod/rockbox the other day, so im not the most knowledgable on the ipod features
06:38:45scott666but i belleve the answers are 'no' and 'yes'
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06:39:22bleakedi find it odd that rockbox will not automatically shut off the device after a certain period of time..
06:39:32bleakedseems like a pretty standard power management feature
06:39:59bleakedi could understand the fancy headphone pause feature not being available though..
06:40:01scorcheit should be able to
06:40:02scott666theres an adjustable Idle Poweroff feature
06:40:06scott666default is 10m
06:40:13scorchethere ya go
06:40:23bleakedi'll scour the menus again
06:40:26scorche(i set mine to 1 min)
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06:41:16scott666general settings > system
06:41:44scott666anyone know how much mAh the ipod battery has?
06:41:55scott666or does that setting not even apply to non-archos players
06:42:19scorchescott666: which ipod?
06:42:20jnci saw a menu for it
06:42:30jncon the video ipod there was a menu item for checking capacity
06:42:48scott666is there? ill look for it
06:45:35jncthe rockbox default menu is a nightmare to navigate, btw.
06:45:44jncnot that i have any clue how to make it easier
06:45:56jncit's functional, barely ;)
06:46:13scott666i wrote up a complete re-sorting of it a few years ago
06:47:05scott666Recent Bookmakrs shouldnt be taking up space if Bookmarks aren't even enabled
06:47:54jncmy little sister was stabbing her iPod out of frustration with the rockbox menuing system
06:48:05jncthat was a bit scary to witness
06:48:31scott666i used to have an archos FMR (well, i say 'used to'. I still have it, the headphone jack doesn't work though, so it's rather useless as a DAP)
06:48:36jnchey, no Neuros support? ;)
06:48:54infamisdoes anyone know where logging info is output to?
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06:49:07jncinfamis: serial port i.e. remote control
06:49:56infamisjnc: this is for logf's, right?
06:50:43jncinfamis: i'm repeating (vaugely) information i overheard in IRC channel two days ago
06:50:57jnc/i/ don't actually know anything about it :/
06:51:14infamisoh, ok, I'll try browsing through the irc logs
06:51:52scott666have you looked around on your disk?
06:52:02scott666i cant imagine thered be too many places it could hide
06:53:57infamisscot666: logf goes to a file?
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06:54:39scott666generally when something gets logged it gets written to the
06:56:34infamisrockbox-20060408.txt: 12.04.27 # <amiconn> logf() to disk wouldn't make much sense
06:56:49infamisDisk accesses would happen so frequently that they would disturb normal operation
06:56:55infamisquote amiconn
06:57:43scott666fair enough
06:57:49scott666i have no idea what logf is
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07:15:00HotfusionI should play oblivion but I can't put my player down
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07:15:12HotfusionI've been infeccted lol
07:16:47scott666doom > oblivion
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08:03:38mc_365Hello everyone
08:03:53infamisI guess the razr is the next platform for rb :)
08:04:20infamisor cell phones in general
08:05:37mc_365I just bought a 5G 30gb Vid Ipod semi used for 250
08:05:43mc_365really brandnew was about 4 days old from the reciept
08:05:53mc_365bought cuase of rockbox
08:06:04mc_365must say it's very good
08:06:19mc_365compile my first binary today
08:06:39infamisglad you like it (like I had anything to do with the development of
08:07:39mc_365well those who choose to utilize it give developers more incentive to be creative
08:08:51mc_365any other Ipoders here?
08:11:12*infamis gives them a chance to refute his claim
08:13:23mc_365I guess the IRC channel is for the hard core rockboxers the archos and iriver guys huh
08:16:15*bleaked is a happy rockbox nano user
08:16:31Bagdermc_365: not really
08:16:37Bagderjust a bit calm at times
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08:17:43mc_365I guess it is a little late or early depending on where your located
08:17:53*infamis is x5-in it
08:18:31*scorche is archos-in it
08:19:15mc_365I was thinking about an x5l for the battery life and sound but then I chose the ipog cuase of the screen and accessories
08:20:44LinusNwhat accessories?
08:21:56mc_365Well they don't currently work with rockbox but ipod has the widest range of accessories and one day they may work with rockbox or rockboxs successor
08:23:05Galoismc_365, there's no need to worry, the ipod is a safe choice
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08:26:13LinusNmc_365: yes, but what accessories are you referring to?
08:26:13mc_365well apple did screw me with the itunesdb
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08:27:11mc_365all of them. in general the vast availability from many third party manufacturers in retail stores
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08:27:59mc_365speaker docks, car mounts, remotes, GPS
08:28:36mc_365they even have an ipod vibrator if thats your thing
08:28:36Galoisfancy leather cases...
08:28:50infamisimo, generic accessories but with the name iPod on it somewhere
08:29:01Galoisthus raising the price to $99 from $29
08:29:03infamisand overpriced
08:29:37Galoisthe ipod nano is the one non-overpriced ipod
08:29:47LinusNmc_365: x5 has a remote
08:30:01LinusNand the fm radio is builtin
08:30:08mc_365vs no accessories accept from the manufacturer who charges you a arm and a leg and you have to pay first and wait for it to come mail order
08:30:13amiconngood morning
08:30:23*LinusN googles for ipod and gps
08:30:45Vladomangcc gefixt?
08:31:05_FireFly_amiconn: moin :)
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08:31:45amiconnVladoman: I have a patch for the jumptable bug for both 3.3.6 and 3.4.6. I still don't have an idea where running a 3.4.6 -Os build goes banana
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08:32:30amiconnLinusN: Regarding your power measurements - were there any scrolling lines displayed?
08:32:33infamis_FireFly_: lol...sounded right & at the right time...
08:32:41LinusNamiconn: yes
08:32:46VladomanI remember we had to fix the gcc a couple of times when we did the OSCAR, but that was in '98 with something gcc 2.0
08:32:49_FireFly_infamis: ?
08:32:50amiconnhmm, badness
08:32:57LinusNamiconn: why?
08:33:22infamis_FireFly_: I mess be missing something so I'll drop it...
08:33:33infamisI *must*
08:33:49LinusNamiconn: i tested with idle screens too, and it didn't make any difference
08:34:00amiconnOh, also on H300?
08:34:16*amiconn suspected scrolling text to draw quite some power on H300
08:34:40amiconnThe mono bitmap drawing is still dead slow...
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08:35:16LinusNthis could indicate one of two things:
08:35:22LinusN1) it never sleeps
08:35:28LinusN2) lcd access is cheap
08:36:00LinusNor rather both
08:36:07amiconnYeah, but when bitmap drawing is slow, it should cause more boost when scrolling
08:36:44LinusNi can clearly see on the amp meter when it boosts
08:36:44amiconnAnyway, I have the suspicion that we're doing something wrong on all irivers, not just H300
08:37:29LinusNso all the scrolling could do is prevent it from executing SLEEP
08:38:03LinusNand make it boost sooner
08:38:21LinusNbut the 125mA is measured when unboosted
08:38:57amiconnMy theory: you measured idle power draw on H1x0 at 45MHz (70mA) and 112MHz (100mA). Assuming a linear increase like freescale states for the coldfire, this means 0.447 mA/MHz
08:39:22amiconn..or about 50mA at (hypothetic) 0MHz
08:39:52amiconnBut then you measured 55mA for mp3 playback in retailos
08:40:32amiconnThat would mean the coldfire runs at 11MHz when playing mp3 if my theory is correct...
08:41:23amiconnbut I remember some (vague) quotes that the motorola codec needs >~20MHz for realtime operation
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08:42:13amiconnLinusN: Could you measure current draw at 11MHz as well, preferably on both targets?
08:42:31amiconnIt would be a verification of the linearity
08:43:27amiconnMy prediction for H1x0: 65mA
08:43:41amiconnErr, 55mA
08:43:51LinusNcan't do that until i get home
08:44:49LinusN30mA difference between 45 and 124mhz
08:45:04LinusN30/79=0.379mA per mhz, right?
08:45:27*amiconn wonders why he used 112...
08:45:29LinusNyou said .447
08:46:38amiconnFor some reason I calculated with 112MHz being the max frequency...
08:46:38LinusNmy calculations show roughly 20mhz
08:47:47amiconn(hypothetic) 0MHz in rockbox would then draw 53mA, 11MHz should draw 57mA
08:47:59Jungti1234Rockbox does shut off power if charge ends?
08:48:21Jungti1234power -> current
08:48:21amiconnLinusN: How do you calculate that? I get ~5MHz now...
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08:50:59LinusNthat is handled by the hardware
08:52:00Jungti1234But, even if charge of Rockbox ends, continuation 'charging' image seem.
08:52:01amiconnAnother interesting test would be measuring current draw at the same frequency but different cpu states
08:52:44amiconnDisable interrupts, and then (1) go to sleep (2) busy loop in iram/cache (3) acessing dram all the time
08:52:50LinusNi remember i did that once
08:53:20LinusNi can't remember huw much that saved, but i believe it was in the range of 10mA or something
08:53:37LinusNi mean (1)
08:53:54amiconnthe difference between (2) and (3) should tell us how much it costs to access the dram
08:54:43LinusNJungti1234: how do you know that the charging has ended?
08:54:59LinusNamiconn: yup, that would be interesting
08:55:02amiconnMaybe the iriver savings are caused by less dram access
08:55:27amiconn(3) could be done by just repeatedly memset()ing the main buffer
08:55:35LinusNfrom what i have heard, the iriver pcm buffer is in iram
08:55:37Jungti1234LinusN: Saw in original firmware.
08:56:34LinusNJungti1234: i'm not sure we detect end-of-charge correctly on the h300
08:57:18Jungti1234Then, is it Rockbox's problem?
08:58:29LinusNmost likely
08:58:47amiconnLinusN: we do
08:58:53amiconnIt's working here
08:59:38Jungti1234hey LinusN
09:00:05Jungti1234Then, is current cut?
09:00:05amiconnLinusN: All 3 measurements would be interesting at the various cpu frequencies, and for me a 4th measurement would be interesting on H1x0: (4) like (1), but additionally disabling dram refresh
09:00:29LinusNi see
09:00:42LinusNamiconn: prepare a table in wiki, and i'll fill it in
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09:08:39LinusNJungti1234: i deliberately did not reply to your "hey LinusN" earlier
09:08:52LinusNif you want something, say it
09:09:18LinusNah, i now see what i missed
09:09:30LinusNrockbox can't cut the current
09:09:30Jungti1234If charge ends in iriver firmware, does Rockbox prevent current automatically?
09:09:45LinusNas i said, it is done by the hardware
09:09:50Jungti1234Does it eat continuation electricity?
09:10:25LinusNas long as the player is on, it will consume battery power
09:11:03LinusNand the charging circuit will keep the battery full, with a small current
09:13:50HuntermicAtworkAny news on the IAudio M5?
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09:14:22BagderHuntermicAtwork: not since that chat on the dev list
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09:16:53HuntermicAtworkAny special reason the development hasn't started for the M5, is there still missing information, or is there just no developer interested?
09:17:19Bagderthere's no one with an M5 that has stepped up to do it
09:17:38HuntermicAtworkok, i understand
09:19:07LinusNit's hard to port rockbox to a player that you don't have
09:20:11Bagderand if there's *no one* with an M5 interested to do development it is next to pointless anyway
09:20:52amiconnLinusN: Do you know whether the iriver firmware updates the lcd (framebuffer?) if the backlight is off?
09:20:54HuntermicAtworkyes, i totally understand, unfortunately i can only write c# and java, not c++ or c, so i'm afraid i can't be of any help
09:21:07LinusNamiconn: i have no idea
09:21:14scorchec# and java...
09:21:29scorcheyou scare me
09:22:33peturone day garbage collection will come along and take java, c#,... with it :D
09:22:43HuntermicAtworki do understand c++ and c, i can even write it, but i never did program in it
09:22:49scorchepetur: we can only hope
09:23:00HuntermicAtworktrue, the garbage collection shit sucks
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09:24:35amiconnHrmph.... now if it really is the dram access... rockbox' framebuffer is in dram on H300, but in iram on H1x0...
09:25:05_FireFly_due the color support of the h300 i think
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09:27:39LinusNamiconn: no it isn't
09:28:18LinusNlast time i measured the current, i froze the cpu in a sleep insctruction and it still ate a lot of current
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09:28:57linuxstbMorning all. Just thought I would mention that the nice guy at (a one-man shop selling line-out adapters for ipods aimed at headphone-amp users) is building and donating a line-in adapter so I can try and get line-in recording working for ipods in Rockbox.
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09:33:31pondlifeQuestion - anybody know the difference between Crossfade options "Always" and "Track Skip Only"?
09:34:02pondlifeWith crossfade set to "Track Skip Only", I'd think that should crossfade on next, but not if another track is selected in the browser.
09:34:22scorchenot sure if you guys saw this, but now that you euros are awake, someone came in and mentioned
09:34:35midkay_pondlife, that means that whenever the track is changed manually then fade is enabled.
09:34:36ashridahpondlife: trackskip should be when you explicitly skip a track
09:34:56pondlifeOK, so Always would be for natural track changes too.
09:34:59midkay_normal, gapless playback will occur as long as you aren't skipping, whether it's next/last or from the playlist viewer, or the browser.
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09:36:06pondlifeI'm very impressed with lostlogic's latest work
09:36:27pondlifeQuite hard to break now
09:36:49amiconnLinusN: If it's not the dram, what else could we be doing wrong?
09:37:21amiconnLinusN: Btw, I checked the coldfire datasheet, and we do have 4 dma channels available, not just 2
09:37:57midkay_hm, i wonder if that would be better changed to like 'Track Change Only'. or 'Manual Track Change Only'.
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09:38:30amiconnOnly 2 are connected to the audio interfaces
09:38:47amiconn...but this makes ATA DMA feasible
09:39:04amiconnOnly special case is the non-dma-capable iram block
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09:54:20midkayhm, testing the new libmad patches on my 5G iPod. slowly but surely getting better :)
09:54:50midkaymust be like 110% realtime-ish with EQ on for me now.. sitting in a nonupdating menu.
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10:04:46crashdmidkay: are they Toni's patches?
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10:06:07voltagexhi people
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10:27:27JdGordonspam spam eggs and spam
10:27:28Bg3rLinusN, Bagder
10:27:57Jungti1234Spam is ham can name.
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10:30:57markunamiconn: the gigabeat's backlight can be dimmed in 64 steps, that's not enought for fading, is it?
10:31:36LinusNsounds enough to me
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10:34:08markunI'll try to run my first test code on the gigabeat tomorrow
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11:39:06amiconnmarkun: I think it's enough for fading. We use 100 steps in the H1x0 and ipod software pwm
11:39:35amiconnH300 doesn't have enough steps (16, effectively only 15)
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12:06:16tucozbluebrother, around?
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12:11:51tucozbluebrother, I am looking at the float placements. I think I have come up with a better solution than the current one.
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12:12:29tucozI almost all of the cases, the figures and in text tables are placed where they should be.
12:15:32tucozWe could also use the same solution for the key map-tables
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13:16:04tucozbluebrother, I commited the change. Please revert it if you don't like it.
13:16:20luckz1) I would appreciate rockbox playing .cue file entries in a .m3u playlist properly
13:16:23preglowcan't see why
13:16:34preglowluckz: i bet you would
13:17:02luckz2) I would further appreciate support for filenames used in european languages (things like umlauts) - right now, it just tells me that the files can't be found. again .m3u playlist.
13:17:24preglowthat's a codepage issue
13:17:27tucozpreglow, was that for me?
13:17:38preglowtucoz: yes, i think the change sounds pretty logical
13:18:04preglowluckz: 1) .cue support isn't straight forward, but will probably happen at some time in the future when someone comes by and codes it
13:18:24preglowluckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded
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13:18:35tucozpreglow, me too. But I have been away for some time, so I don't want to break anything. :)
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13:22:22bluebrothertucoz: hi
13:22:34bluebrotherjust came back
13:24:22bluebrotherproblem with your change: as far as I know the placement modifier that way doesn't allow other placements which could result in placing the floats at the end of the chapter if there isn't enough space left.
13:24:57bluebrotherI'm quite busy the last days but I'll look into it later. Maybe there is a modifier I didn't know ;-)
13:25:29tucozbluebrother, I know. But we could force that by using \topfraction etc
13:25:48bluebrotherhmm. May be worth playing with it a bit more.
13:26:05tucozYes. The h120 manual looks better now anyway
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13:26:24bluebrotherI was also thinking if we should change the writing style a bit and stop writing like "see the table below"
13:26:47tucozand refer to see \ref{tab:blabla} instead?
13:26:53bluebrotherinstead don't mention the table at all, give a good caption and let the user find it himself.
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13:27:36bluebrothermaybe also the "refer to table \ref{foo} but as far as I read the manual I think the most cases it's mostly clearly without.
13:28:18tucozI agree. I think by placing the tables where they should be, we do not have to refer to tables that way
13:28:38tucozOnly when referring to a table from another section
13:28:55tucozbut then we probably should refer to the section instad
13:29:29tucozlike, see \ref{sec:foo} for more information on foo
13:30:05bluebrotherwe also have mostly \pageref while I personally prefer referring to sections.
13:30:37tucozme too. That is from the 2.4 doc
13:31:02bluebrothertwo more points I'm currently working at:
13:31:33bluebrother\setting to mark all settings. ATM this uses simply \textsc which looks pretty good imho
13:32:19tucozwhat is \textsc?
13:32:22bluebrotheralso I started to generate a table with all devices for the appendix, but I will mostly suppone this after 3.0
13:32:25bluebrothersmall caps.
13:32:42tucozok. Instead of verbatim?
13:33:09bluebrotherI used it in the tagcache section for now.
13:33:24tucozis it in cvs?
13:33:39bluebrotherlike: "you need to go to \setting{General $\rightarrow$ Disk ...}
13:33:43bluebrothernot now.
13:34:06bluebrother"when set to \settion{Yes} this setting does foo ..."
13:34:10tucozah, cool. That sounds good.
13:34:52bluebrotheras we have sometimes YES, sometimes "YES", sometimes "Yes", sometimes \epmh{Yes} ...
13:34:59tucozDo you think we should make a tree of the menus?
13:35:09bluebrotherand I really like small caps for settings.
13:35:21bluebrotherhmm. Maybe a good idea.
13:40:46bluebrotherI'm only unsure how to do this a good way.
13:40:46bluebrotherperhaps a customized description environment?
13:40:46tucozhmm. small caps perhaps :)
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13:40:46bluebrotherhehe :)
13:40:46tucozhmm. I think I'll try some ideas for a tree like that. I'll see if I get some time later on.
13:40:46tucozsee you later
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13:40:46bluebrotherI think I'll commit the \setting later. But as I'm not at home it'll last some time.
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13:40:46tucozregarding the float placement. We could possibly use the nonfloat package as well.
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13:40:46bluebrothergood point.
13:40:46tucozsure. I'll be more around from now :) Been pretty busy with the newborn lately.
13:40:46Bagderyeah, teaching them rockbox code can be tedious ;-P
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13:40:46tucoztell me about it.
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13:41:23juliushi everyone
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13:42:26Genre9mp3The Golden Quotes section in the wiki becomes bigger and bigger!... :-)
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13:43:40juliusi just found out that iTrip ldc with dock is not working with rockbox, can we do something about it? I would be happy to try to code it somehow, but where should I look for help? manuals? tips? tricks? and so on :)
13:44:24Genre9mp3Now think about the .wma support for rockbox and just imagine the ultimate combination....iPods playing .wma!!! lol
13:44:25ashridahthe wiki on contains a fairly large amount of developer references
13:45:22peturjulius: you have chosen the right platform as your player, namely the one 'without documentation'
13:46:14Bagderjulius: fire up your objdump and go dissassembling! ;-)
13:46:20ravonIs doxygen (or an equivalence) used? Haven't checked.
13:46:24preglowyes, objdump for disassembling the firmware
13:46:29preglowthat won't be an arduous task at all
13:46:53Bagderweaker persons could use IDA
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13:47:12*petur points to Linus :P
13:48:47peturwasn't there some site with the decoding of the ipod accessory stuff?
13:48:58juliuspetur, Bagder, ravon, preglow, thanks for the asnwers, so lets start :) first of all I think the sound is send to the itrip if you turn on the car adapter mode, so the only thing remaining (if i'm not wrong) is to somehow give power to the itrip, do I see the things right?
13:49:26preglowi don't even know what an itrip is, heh
13:49:46*Bagder is clueless about the iPod accessory stuff
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13:50:51juliuspreglow, see
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13:51:19juliusI try to use this one: iTrip with Dock Connector
13:52:12juliusso if I try the objdump method, what is that I should look for?
13:52:54Bagderyou should be prepare for a long journey if you take that road
13:52:59ravonjulius: I didn't help though :(
13:53:02ravonI'm innocent.
13:53:35Bagderand you better read up on ARM asm first
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13:55:52juliusBagder, is there a shorter way? :) btw: I'm not a big hacker, back in 90-95 I cracked a lot of programs by disassembling them, but since than a lot has changed, so I just think that it is somehow possible and you know the saying. Who tries wins :)
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13:56:54BagderI honestly don't know. Read up on what is currently known and available. The rest is research left to do and it can only be done in a few different ways, one of them being dissassembly
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13:58:11juliusBagder, sure, but could you please point me somehow to a place where I could start my journey?
13:58:29Bagder ?
13:58:48juliusaaa, ok, thanks a lot!
13:58:52BagderI'm not an ipodder myself, I don't know much about these things
13:59:05petureuh.. echo?
14:01:49Bagder /echo off
14:02:18peturor for dos freaks: @echo off
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14:07:27lostlogicpreglow: how's the select new file behavior?
14:08:18preglowah, haven't tried yet
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14:08:40preglowstuck on other work
14:08:42XavierGrlet's say I want to include math.h to a main file in a subfolder of plugins, what should I type? #indlude <firmware/include/math.h> ?
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14:10:39lostlogicIt's implemented as kinda an abuse of track change, but that makes it nice and smooth. Just hope I did it properly so as not to break other things.
14:11:17preglowlostlogic: i'll try it in a couple of hours. if i check it out now, i'll just end up coding rockbox the rest of the day, i know it
14:11:32lostlogicpreglow: understood.
14:11:38*lostlogic goes to do paid work now as well
14:11:44pondlifelostlogic: Did you see the track skipping problem on the wiki..?
14:12:22*pondlife thinks he typed too slowly
14:12:54lostlogicpondlife: not until just now. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
14:12:59lostlogicpondlife: si that new today?
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14:16:39luckz13:18:27 < preglow> luckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded <- any idea how one could fix that?
14:16:52luckzfpl and m3u8 are not supported, are they?
14:17:01pondlifeIt's not crossfade related, you'll be pleased to know
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14:17:17pondlifei.e. it happens without crossfade or voice, although I probably had beep enabled.
14:18:22lostlogicpondlife: I did tweak next track handling to deal with selecting new files from the browser, so it makes sense. Not sure why it would get stuck like that though... wait... yes, I am.
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14:18:38romanos_melodoshi everyone
14:19:00pondlifeHmm, fixed before I could even explain it fully!!
14:19:16romanos_melodosjust a small question. Can i install ipl loader just to boot rockbox and apple firmware?
14:19:36lostlogicpondlife: cvs up and try it.
14:20:03pondlifeOK, have remembered to bring my H300 into the office today, so shouldn't take long.
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14:21:41pondlifeBTW, resume on startup seems happy again
14:21:56romanos_melodosanyone to answer my previous question?
14:22:41lostlogicare you serious!? but I didn't touch it!??!?!
14:23:02pondlifeYep, even with voice enabled
14:23:15peturromanos_melodos: i think so, but i'm not an ipodder ;)
14:23:24pondlifeAlthough voice seems to stop working sometimes, temporarily.
14:23:35pondlifeBut that's a minor issue relatively.
14:23:37lostlogicpondlife: yeah, amiconn reported that
14:23:54pondlifeHmm, sorry for the delay - can't get USB connected
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14:27:47pondlifeWooh, bug? Restart rockbox (audio resumes) / Insert USB cable (USB logo displayed, but no connectivity) / Unplug USB cable / Attempt playback... WPS displayed and in play mode, but no audio or progress.
14:28:30lostlogicyeah, I apparently have a therading problem stopping USB mode from activating...
14:28:42lostlogicI _think_ I have it on the wiki.
14:29:01pondlifeAnd/or/maybe USB threading stops audio from activating?
14:29:06pondlifeWill update wiki in a bit
14:29:30pondlifeOK, turned off resume at startup - now USB works
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14:29:42lostlogicit's more like the USB not activating all the way leaves some thread (probably the codec thread) in a definite state of stupid.
14:30:11webguest17lostlogic, are you seeing light at the end of the tunnel with regards to sorting playback out ?
14:31:46pondlifelostlogic: Track skipping problem seems to have been fixed
14:31:46lostlogicwebguest17: read the wiki page for status... I am hopefully done with refactorings until after 3.0.
14:32:25pondlifeCrossfade on track skip is not working though
14:32:26lostlogicpondlife: figured, stuipd bug I stupidly introduced by 'fixing' another conditional while I was fixing play new playlist yestrerday.
14:32:36lostlogicpondlife: probably just low buffer?
14:32:44pondlifeHmm - most of the time?
14:32:53lostlogicprobably just low buffer.
14:33:28pondlifeIt's being a bit too careful at the moment I think, but not a biggie
14:33:42lostlogiccould be...
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14:33:47pondlifeOops - hard crash, pin time.
14:33:54lostlogicwhat'd you do to it?
14:34:03pondlifeDon't know yet
14:34:41lostlogic*sigh* I can't rockbox nay more, nor probably until Tuesday. Much paid work and packing to do.
14:34:47pondlifeVoice is off, crossfade is on, beep is on. I think I did a skip back...
14:34:55pondlifeNo problem, good work anyway
14:35:02pondlifeHave a nice rest!
14:35:13lostlogicthanks, keep the wiki up-to-date with your findings :)
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14:36:16pondlifeWill do.
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15:27:08ravonOsnap. I think I've convinced my asm-happy friend to install Rockbox on his iRiver.
15:27:46ravonHis response was something in the lines of "Oh crap! My iRiver has an arm720?! I'm gonna hack my ass off"
15:28:07Paul_The_NerdThe iRiver doesn't though
15:28:28ravon iFP-899
15:28:45Paul_The_NerdThe 899 and 799 are identical hardware in different casings if I understand
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15:30:39Paul_The_NerdI wouldn't mind seeing a working Rockbox in my 799 at all. :)
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15:30:57preglowtime for uncooked fish!
15:31:31ravonSushi ftw
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15:37:44erichI just crashed my firmware it seems. by disabling dir cache while the tagdb is updating.
15:39:06XavierGrerich: why would you want to do that :p
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15:49:03erichthe "disk powerdown" option isn't documented in the manual for the x5. what are the benefits/drawbacks of that option?
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15:52:09Paul_The_NerdDo you mean the spin down option, or is this literally called "powerdown" (in which case I'm not familiar with it)
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15:56:31erichPaul_The_Nerd: the literal power down option, just below the spindown time option
15:56:48erichXavierGr: dircache uses like 800k ram on my player it seems.
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15:58:15Paul_The_Nerderich: I think he means "Why did you turn it off while the disk was in heavy use"
16:00:11erichPaul_The_Nerd: the change is supposed to be in effect only after a reboot anyway?
16:00:24Paul_The_NerdThat's for enabling it.
16:00:37Paul_The_NerdDisabling it, it stops using it immediately, but reclaims the memory after the reboot, I believe
16:00:42Paul_The_NerdI'm not 100% sure though.
16:00:44erichPaul_The_Nerd: memory use doesn't go down unless you reboot.
16:00:47JdGordon41oh feck... ive just gone over my mothly limit on cable :'( down to fucking modem speeds for the rest of the week
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16:01:24Paul_The_NerdDircache is the only way for Tagcache to work *well* at the moment anyway.
16:01:39Paul_The_NerdWithout dircache, tagcache doesn't add entries properly if you copy new files over.
16:02:52erichI'm mostly interested in seeing how much battery I can get out by disabling stuff like dircache and such. it gives me a 5% larger buffer, for example.
16:04:31Paul_The_NerdAaah, if you wanted to maximize your buffer you'd have to make a custom compile anyway.
16:04:42Paul_The_NerdYou could disable plugins, reclaim their memory, and have another 512k :)
16:05:54Mikachudisable the lcd and get the framebuffer too
16:06:35Paul_The_NerdYeah, but then you'd have to use VoiceUI to navigate, unless you put faith in Resume on Startup
16:08:05Paul_The_NerdIt'd be interesting to have an *actual* "Rockbox Optimized" which *just* did music playback, had a minimalist WPS buffer (text only), no sound processing features (or again, minimal ones maybe) and just played music as simply as possible, using all available RAM possible.
16:08:26Mikachuyou couldcall it Rockbox Shuffle :)
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16:13:38erichPaul_The_Nerd: plugins just take up HD space, don't they?
16:13:49Mikachuthey have 512kB reserved at all times
16:13:53erichah, ok.
16:14:08Mikachuthis memory is also used by the playlist viewer though
16:14:11erichwell, I'm going to use the battery stats plugin. ;-)
16:14:34erichMikachu: Rockbox Audio Roulette?
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16:14:52Paul_The_NerdInstead of Shuffle
16:15:09peturwhat, did they trademark shuffle?
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16:15:31Mikachuyou can call it rockbox bejeweled vista shuffle
16:15:37klrspzPaul_The_Nerd, yah that latest bleed from yesterday seemed to be the end of my battery problem
16:16:01*amiconn spots talk about shufflebox
16:16:18amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: [16:00:24] <Paul_The_Nerd> Dircache is the only way for Tagcache to work *well* at the moment anyway.
16:16:25amiconnThis is not entirely correct
16:16:40Paul_The_NerdYou can also force update manually, right?
16:16:40amiconnWithout dircache, tagcache doesn't add any new files automatically
16:16:47Mikachuamiconn: that's what he said
16:16:52amiconnA manual update should work okay
16:17:07peturerich: rofl
16:17:11klrspzerich, lol
16:17:12erichnoone up for adding an easter egg to rockbox, on April first it will play all songs backwards. Or only celine dion songs.
16:17:19erichjust kidding
16:18:00Paul_The_NerdI suggested that every menu entry should instead be a procedurally generated bitmaps made from the string value somehow, and call it the new "Graphical UI"
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16:27:13klrspzall the podcasts on itunes seem to be a damn video
16:27:19peturPaul_The_Nerd: isn't it already? :P
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16:39:37amiconnEverytime I'm looking into another source file to analyse one bug, I find other glaring bugs...
16:40:33peturwe should do a codereview after 3.0 (or before?)
16:40:46amiconnPreferably before..
16:41:01*amiconn summons the code police
16:41:14*petur hides
16:41:28amiconnNot you this time ;)
16:42:09lostlogicamiconn: that's how I ended up totally refactoring crossfade that I didn't originally have on my list of things to do before 3.0 :-\
16:43:37amiconnWhat I found are 2 mistakes in main.c regarding string length wrt unicode
16:44:18lostlogicand I found that crossfade was handled in such a way that pieces of the crossfade could be lost, and faded into expired buffer if the fade wasn't keeping up with the playback.
16:44:26amiconnfont_w * strlen(text) is clearly wrong
16:44:58Mikachueven for non-unicode if you have variable width fonts
16:45:07ravonHmm, when porting the NSF codec, would it be an ugly solution to request the entire file (<20k probably) into a buffer and then wrap the fread functions to operate within that buffer?
16:45:26amiconnMikachu: Yes, it's actually a double mistake (but this part uses the sysfont)
16:46:16lostlogicravon: seems reasonable, since it's so small −− just do one large read from the filebuf −− do verify that you did indeed receive the amount you requested of the file, even though we currently guarantee at least 32k available in a single request, just to be correct.
16:46:31ravonlostlogic: Alrighy, thanks.
16:46:33amiconn..and there's another problem apart from the invalid width calculation: On targets with small LCDs, the strings are truncated & show in a weird way
16:46:53Mikachuravon: you're going to write a separate plugin or a codec for the playback system?
16:46:54amiconnNot only archos, but also ipod mini
16:47:04ravonMikachu: Porting nosefart.
16:47:15lostlogicas a codec, because that's what it is, right?
16:47:33Mikachui am asking because i'm not sure how you would handle subsongs as a codec
16:47:34ravonIf it'll be possible to change subsongs, then yes as a codec.
16:47:59lostlogicogg also supports subsongs, but rockbox does not currently
16:48:14Mikachunsf with subsongs is infinitely more common than ogg with subsongs thoug
16:48:22crashdit's like SID
16:48:26crashdSID almost always has subsongs
16:48:31lostlogicdo they have separate names and stuff?
16:48:33Mikachuhow are they handled now?
16:48:38crashdbut there'd have to be some major refactoring for them tow ork
16:48:41crashdMikachu: they aren't, afaik
16:48:41lostlogicif not, can't the codec just play through them internally?
16:48:42ravonMikachu: On SID? They aren't.
16:48:49Mikachuyou just play the first one? that sucks a bti
16:48:51crashdit'll play the first song, and when you skip, itll load the next fil
16:48:53ravonlostlogic: They don't have a length though.
16:48:56crashdwell, it's still in testing
16:49:05lostlogicravon: not sure I follow...
16:49:08crashdMikachu: how do you propose they are handled :>
16:49:12Mikachulostlogic: bg songs just loop infinitely
16:49:17Mikachucrashd: i'm just asking P:
16:49:21crashdMikachu: :)
16:49:42crashdalthough, they do have 'lengths', it's been suggested that rb uses the metabase on the sid collection as a guide
16:49:50ravonCan't it be handled when the codec receives a "Next song" request?
16:49:51crashdbut im not sure what would be the best way to approach it
16:50:15Mikachuravon: if there was such a request
16:50:28lostlogicwell currently, the codec _issues_ a next track request to the filebuffer
16:50:50lostlogicso the filebuffer would hafta be sub-song aware and move to the next subsong and tell the codec that said subsong is ready
16:50:55lostlogicnot sure if that's ideal
16:51:00Mikachuyou could maybe have file.sid:1 etc in the playlist?
16:51:04ravon if (ci->request_next_track())
16:51:05ravon goto next_track;
16:51:06Mikachuand when adding it, it would add all subsongs?
16:51:10ravonWhat does that do then?
16:51:10*Mikachu hides
16:51:45lostlogicravon: that's the codec thread, it requests the next track from the fielbuf, if the next track on buffer is the same codec, the filebuf returns true, and the codec plays the next track, if not it exits so the next codec can start
16:52:30Mikachuwhat happens if you try to seek after it exits? :)
16:52:32ravonSo that would be issued if, say, the user switches to the next song?
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16:53:07lostlogicravon: the audio thread sets the 'new_track' variable on the codec api, which tells the codec to immediately request a new track
16:53:08ravonIn the Winamp plugin you switch songs by moving the time slider. Maybe seeking can be used to switch songs in some way.
16:53:41lostlogicravon: in that case there's no need for special handling by the filebuf, you should just be able to have the codec internally handle all fo the sub songs.
16:54:02Mikachuit's sort of hard to seek with second precision in rb though, if each second represents a subsong
16:54:03ravonlostlogic: Yup. Just thinking about how to do it in the most usable and proper way.
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16:54:35ravonOr rather least useless and wrong way.
16:55:09lostlogicravon: initially probably just handle subsongs in codec, later, maybe the codecs can callback to the audio thread with sub-song information so that there will be seek target points that 'skip' events will seek to when they are within the same file.
16:55:10linuxstbThe "proper way" would seem to be to change Rockbox to break the "one file = one track" assumption.
16:55:40ravonMaybe I should just start at getting sound output.
16:55:55lostlogiclinuxstb: for .sid and .nsf, I think what I just suggested would be the KISS way, but I guess for ogg, you do need to fully break that assumption :(
16:56:03crashdlinuxstb: imho, that's a good idea, that way it could be easier to factor stuff like tracked tunes, midi, CUE playlists (i know, everyone seems to hate them, i dont though), ogg
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16:56:16linuxstb... and chapters in .m4a/mp4 files
16:56:20crashdyeah, that too
16:56:57linuxstbBut yes, seeking to various points in the file could be used today to play sub-songs in SID/NSF.
16:57:12linuxstbBut I don't think the WPS could reflect which sub-song is playing.
16:57:50linuxstb... although that might be relatively simple to fix - to let the codec update the metadata whilst the track is playing.
16:57:51lostlogicI vote for ab-ish markers in the wps indicating sub-song jump positions that 'next' presses would go to, for .sid, .nsf and chaptered files.
16:58:06ravonIt's possible to use 8bit mono output with a codec, right?
16:58:11lostlogicravon: no
16:58:51lostlogicravon: all codecs currently output uhh 28 bit? (preglow?) samples which are processed to 16 bit by the DSP before being sent to the pcm.
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16:59:33ravonlostlogic: hmmm, ok
17:00:02linuxstbravon: If I was you, I would first try to implement an "nsf2wav" plugin which just writes the output to a file. This will allow you to a) adapt the code to run under Rockbox; b) test the output more thoroughly than just listening to it (e.g. comparing the WAV with the output of nosefart on a PC).
17:00:25*amiconn has to check how Deliplayer handles sub-songs
17:00:28ravonlinuxstb: That works already.. as 8bit mono :)
17:00:34amiconnPerhaps these guys had a clever idea...
17:01:00linuxstbravon: Does your plugin work on a real device?
17:01:08ravonlinuxstb: yeah, on the X5 at least
17:01:13crashdamiconn: the same way every other dedicated tracker play does probably. I know sidplayer uses a slider to let you choose subsongs
17:01:17linuxstbravon: How fast?
17:01:18crashdand various other players use similar methods
17:01:26ravonlinuxstb: Haven't checked the ticks yet
17:01:37Mikachuwouldn't it be nice to be able to just have one of the subsongs in your playlist?
17:01:45amiconncrashd: Deliplayer is a true multiformat (>160 formats currently supported) music player for windows.
17:01:50crashdi know amiconn
17:02:11crashdiirc, it handles it a simialr way though, as it anticipates sub songs
17:02:19ravonlinuxstb: Nosefart itself should be fast
17:02:22ravonvrcvisnd.c:** removed all floating point from sound generation
17:02:50amiconnlostlogic: The progressbar marker idea sounds good, but will be hard for formats that have no notion of track lenght
17:03:23lostlogicamiconn: gurgle, indeed
17:03:30amiconnIt will probably be enough to show equidistant markers in such cases..
17:03:42lostlogicamiconn: that was my first thought as well.
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17:06:58godzirraheya guys...
17:07:04godzirraif you had to recommend a good mp3 player... what would it be?
17:07:10godzirraI'm shopping for a new one and getting rid of my ipod I think.
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17:09:05peturgodzirra: it *all* depends on what you expect from it. make a list of what you'd like it to have (start with rockbox-compatible) and compare your specs with the players available
17:09:12godzirraI like music.
17:09:16godzirraDont care about video.
17:09:38godzirraPlaylists are good, (on the fly random playlists are even better... thats the only thing I liked about itunes was the cool playlist generation)
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17:10:49lostlogicgodzirra: sounds like any rockboxable device that you like the ergonomics of will do...
17:12:26godzirraSo what is a good rockboxable device then? :) I heard that the xAudio had a lot of features but was hard to navigate.
17:12:29godzirraI liked my old h12
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17:14:05lostlogicgodzirra: I dunno, I actually really like my ipod video
17:14:14godzirraI just dont really like the wheel controls.
17:14:35lostlogicunfortunately, I think the iAudio X5 and the ipod video/nano are the only rockboxables that are still in active production
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17:15:09godzirraDamn :/
17:15:58ravonlinuxstb: Seems to take 600 ticks/s on the X5 :/
17:16:20lostlogicravon: for how many seconds of audio?>
17:16:44ravon5113 ticks for 8.53333 seconds
17:16:53lostlogiccpu boosted or not?
17:17:06lostlogicif you didn't boost it, it wasn't boosted.
17:17:10ravonOk :)
17:17:13lostlogicand if you didn't boost it then you're doing great
17:17:30lostlogicthat's 5 seconds to decode 8.5 seconds of audio unboosted, so it will not ever hafta boost to play .nsf
17:17:30ravonThen the nosefart team are doing great.
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17:18:07ravonFeels like a lot longer than 5 seconds when I wait though.
17:18:26lostlogicdisk spin time before you start your timer, perhaps?
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17:18:55ravonWell, I splash "playing...", and the time from that until it exits feels like 15+ seconds
17:19:05linuxstblostlogic: 5113 ticks is 51 seconds...
17:19:21lostlogiclinuxstb: I suck at life.
17:19:28lostlogicravon: I am retarded, sorry.
17:19:50crashdtime to get optimising then ;\
17:19:57linuxstbSo boosted should be about 3 times as fast - 16 seconds?
17:20:03ravonhome, brb
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17:39:43ravonok, back. Removed a splash that was done every iteration.
17:39:56ravon3591 ticks now
17:40:37linuxstbhehe. Are you boosting the CPU?
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17:45:40ravonlinuxstb: nope, same code but without the rb->splash:es
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17:57:36godzirradoes rockbox not run on any creative devices?
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18:01:28windowsrefundI have rockbox installed and thought I'd be able to update simply by unzipping the daily build to the root of my fat32 partition
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18:01:41windowsrefundhowever, "info" is still showing an old version
18:01:43windowsrefundhi godzirra
18:01:49godzirraTry deleting the old folder first.
18:02:00godzirramake sure .rockbox folder is there and the other single file
18:02:02godzirrain the main directory
18:02:03lostlogicgodzirra: not yet
18:02:04windowsrefundand rockbox.ipod too right?
18:02:05linuxstbgodzirra: Yes, Rockbox doesn't run on any Creative devices.
18:02:05preglownice raw fish
18:02:29godzirralostlogic: not yet? As in it is planned?
18:02:45godzirrawindowsrefund: that was it. rockbox.ipod needs to be in the root directory
18:02:45lostlogicthere are people talking about trying to port to the M:Vision, no real work started yet
18:02:48godzirraand then the .rockbox
18:03:07godzirralostlogic: ok, was just curious. I'm not sure what I want to upgrade to. I want a color screen, and I want it to play music. Thats really my two requirements. ;)
18:03:26lostlogicgodzirra: nod −− that M:VIsion is beautiful, but I don't want to actually do the port to it.
18:03:35godzirraThats what I was looking at.
18:03:39windowsrefundgodzirra, ok, I removed rockbox.ipod and .rockbox
18:03:44windowsrefundmaybe it will work now
18:03:48linuxstbgodzirra: I think a port to the Creative players will be unlikely, at least in the near future. It's a completely new architecture for Rockbox, and another one with minimal documentation.
18:04:00godzirraOk, cool.
18:04:14windowsrefundyea, that did it
18:05:22peturwindowsrefund: when you unzip/copy to the player, make sure it overwrites files if they already exist
18:05:23godzirraJust have to make sure you got stuff into the root directory.
18:05:32godzirraI have a sneaking suspicion it didnt over write or oyu copied into the .rockbox folder.
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18:17:21godzirraHrm. I have no idea what to get.
18:17:28godzirrathe iAudio has complaints about the controls
18:17:32godzirraso does the Vision
18:17:37godzirraand I dont like the ipod controls.
18:17:40godzirraMaybe I'm too damned picky.
18:20:38windowsrefundI can't get my ipod nano into disk mode anymore
18:20:45windowsrefundanyone remember the key combo?
18:21:51klrspzi've got a problem with the forums.. i click th elink in my email, and it says i'm already activated, i try to log in, it says invalid, i request for the user/pass again, it says my email is invalid... wtf
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18:31:17linuxstbwindowsrefund: MENU+SELECT to reboot, then PLAY+SELECT to enter disk mode.
18:31:43klrspzno forum helpers in here? damnit i wanna download a file
18:32:15webguest06lostlogic : have you seen that bug I added to the wiki?
18:33:26lostlogicwebguest06: with auto dir skip? yes
18:33:39lostlogicbut I'm not going to be able to do any rockbox coding until Tuesday.
18:34:01*goffa is going to suffer from withdrawl
18:34:11goffaat least you left it in good working order before you left
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18:34:28goffaor i'd have to send the hitman from detroit ;)
18:34:53webguest06lostlogic : ok, just wanted to check if the information is sufficient.
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18:47:27luckz18:02:08 < linuxstb> godzirra: Yes, Rockbox doesn't run on any Creative devices. <- aren't those *cough* not that brilliant, technically, anyway?
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18:50:51scott666whats up
18:51:01DpK|Cronicgerman supporter here? or anyone can help me.. i have a g5 video ipod and when i install the rockbox he gave me the error -1 when the ipod boot... :(
18:51:10DpK|Cronici have also a error -1 ^^
18:51:17DpK|Cronicpartition 2...
18:52:22scott666is your drive fat32 formatted?
18:52:49DpK|Cronici look in explorer.. and he say fat32 ;)
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18:52:54luckzwhat else would it be? not that I owned an ipod, but the ones I used looked quite.. fat.. to me.
18:53:56scott666most mac users have mac-formatted ipods (forget the name of it)
18:54:31scott666thats it
18:55:16Presencescott, did you ever figure out the battery capicity of yer ipod?
18:55:35Presencei was reading that a 5G is like less than 700mAh
18:55:51scott666well the options wont go under 1300
18:56:13DpK|Cronicscott666 can you help me with my problem?:( or an step to sped docomention from you in qry? ^^
18:56:16scott666so if that's the case I don't think it'll be a useful setting no matter what it's set at
18:56:19Presencedifferent websites (ebay!) are saying as low as 450mAh, which like, fuck, a button cell battery has more juice in it. :(
18:56:34Presenceyeah, no lower than 1300.
18:57:18scott666DpK|Cronic: have you read this page?
18:57:22*luckz coughs at his 2250
18:57:38scott666i can't really tell you a whole lot more than that, I just got my ipod/rockbox the other day
18:58:12klrspzi wrote a batch install for nano, which could be easily changed for any other i suppose
18:58:41DpK|Cronichmm... can you give me the commands who i give it on?
18:59:09Presenceklrspz, that webpage is great, except for The Chart leaves the cells for 5G's batteries empty. :)
18:59:17DpK|Cronicalso cmd 1: ipodpatcher -r 2 bootpartition.bin cmd 2: ....
18:59:22scott666haha yeah
18:59:39scott666the 60GB has better battery life? aweosme
18:59:50klrspzlol, sorry
19:00:16klrspzDpK|Cronic, it's on that site scott666, sent to you
19:00:18Presencescott, yeah, I specifically read on Apple's website that a 60G has longer runtime due to more space in the device.
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19:00:41Presencedeeper depth for the larger HDD and thusly also battery. yayay
19:00:51scott666sweet. I just wanted the extra space
19:01:00scott666I filled it up first shot
19:01:01Presencewhat theme are you running?
19:01:01DpK|Cronici know klrspz but i make it false or so... i have installed it but always the error -1 :(
19:01:11klrspzmake it false?
19:01:13scott666I have too much music :-/
19:01:16klrspzis english your first language?
19:01:28klrspz(not being rude, just need to know if i need to adjust my contextual referencing)
19:01:39scott666he asked for a german earlier
19:01:54klrspzahh, i see
19:01:58klrspzi don't know german
19:02:25DpK|Cronicmy speka is german :P
19:02:35scott666Presence: were you asking me? I'm using the Rockamp theme, but I fiddled with it and made it red.
19:02:56DpK|Cronicanyone can speak german here?
19:03:39Presenceswitch (contextual_referencing) { case "german": /* doh */ }
19:03:41klrspzdon't think so
19:04:03klrspzDpK|Cronic, what's the issue?
19:04:16Presencescott, yeah... Rockamp is what I show to family, but I *use* Ajant blue, but gimp'd out some of the clutter.
19:04:25klrspzi'm thinking of writing the install doc in a dynamic sense, so you don't see 5 diff devices at once
19:04:39DpK|Cronicissue? o. i have a problem with boot.. error -1
19:04:57klrspzDpK|Cronic, and do you have rockbox on your device?
19:07:26scott666Presence: that theme definitely has clutter a-plenty :-)
19:07:56scott666I wish I had some more graphics-editing skills or I'd make my own
19:08:40scott666It took all the effort I had just to turn most of Rockamp reddish, and there are still parts that look really shitty.
19:08:55scott666But maybe that's because I did it in MS Paint :-/
19:10:48Presencemad mspaint skillz++
19:10:48klrspzi was actually thinking of taking requests
19:11:27Presenceklrspz, Freebird!
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19:13:23scott666I have to look into compiling Rockbox again
19:13:59scott666so I can play with patches and think about writing plugins
19:14:56PaulJamDpK|Cronic: did you put the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file on your ipod after installing the bootloader?
19:14:58Presencejpegs of battery.
19:15:13klrspzfunny, that's where i'm going to go eat
19:15:28klrspzscott666, that's what i'm doing
19:15:32scott666thats hot
19:15:47scott666^ directed at Presence
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19:16:26klrspzscott666, i got everything but a choice on using a SIM (which i'd need to either set up an x-server or figure out how to make SDL display on a framebuffer)
19:16:30scott666I don't suppose there's a really cool and easy to install dev environment anymore?
19:16:36klrspzor just copying it to my nanopod a bajillion times
19:17:16scott666thats where I am
19:17:17klrspzi might install gentoo on a vmware install
19:18:39klrspzpreglow, i meant requests for WPS'
19:19:23DpK|Cronicso back
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19:19:31DpK|Cronicwhat did you say?
19:19:53klrspzi'm going to lunch
19:20:13klrspzif ya'll are here in about 1.5->2 hours, then so will i
19:20:26scott666klrspz: I want something fairly dark with a red/black color theme.
19:20:32klrspzme too
19:20:44klrspzi have an idea that i like to use with lots of things
19:20:59DpK|Cronicscott666 can you give me a personal documention? :P also can you say me the commands?
19:21:03Learlostlogic: seek bug in build from this morning...
19:21:11klrspz kinda like this texture
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19:21:34Myth1hi guys
19:21:35klrspzDpK|Cronic, c'mon man, read the page, convert it to german or something
19:21:35godzirraSo anyone have opinions on irivers H10?
19:22:01klrspzDpK|Cronic ^^
19:22:06scott666i played with one at the store; it seemed kinda shitty
19:22:11klrspzerrr whoops, wait
19:22:11godzirrascott666: with an h10?
19:22:13godzirraHow so?
19:22:28DpK|Cronicklrspz i have read it but error 1 always come :(
19:22:31scott666I really don't like the touch-line thing
19:22:37godzirratouch line?
19:22:38Myth1any developers online? I need some background info on malloc() in codecs. Can I use it? And how much RAM is available?
19:22:50Learlostlogic: Resume playback of a long mp3 file (e.g., so you start one third into it). Once buffering is complete, seek back a minute or two. Notice how the drive does not spin up and that the sound played is from another file... :)
19:23:27Learmyth1: the malloc that exists is a hack, because free doesn't do anything. And you currently have 512 kB.
19:23:32klrspzDpK|Cronic, then i'll help you in about an hour
19:23:35klrspzi'll bbl
19:23:38DpK|Cronicok :)
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19:23:47DpK|Cronicgood eating
19:23:48Myth1Lear: But it works?
19:24:03Myth1So there is no chance in getting more than 512kb from within a codec?
19:24:05godzirrascott666: I'm reading about it now.
19:24:10Learmyth1: however, you can free everything with a single call, e.g. when starting a new track (depending on the codec).
19:24:16godzirrascott666: I'm reading about it now.
19:24:21godzirrascott666: was that the only thing you didnt like?
19:24:33scott666That and that it's only 20GB
19:24:35lostlogicLear: mmhmm... start_pos for that resumed track must not get set correctly, so it thinks it is on buffer when it is not.
19:24:43Learmyth1: you can always use large arrays/buffers that are statically declared.
19:24:46godzirraThat doesnt really tell me anything about touchline either.
19:24:52godzirrascott666: I'm looking for a new player. got a better recommendation?
19:24:54scott666It's the same price as a 30GB ipod which has a way cooler screen and UI
19:25:11godzirraI dont like the ipod ui.
19:25:16scott666(and rockbox support)
19:25:18Myth1Lear: I tried that, unfortunately it shows an error on combile time .bss section is too large or something like this
19:25:18godzirraI have an ipod now and dont like it.
19:25:24Learmyth1: several codecs do use malloc (like Tremor), so it is okay to use it (but the codec used for voice files better not).
19:25:25scott666HW or SW?
19:25:35godzirraI dont really like the scroll wheel.
19:25:42Learmyth1: well, then you probably try to stuff too much data in there.
19:26:03Myth1I need to allocate sample-ram for modplayback
19:26:25scott666I'm not a huge fan either, but hardware wise I'm not aware of anything better than the ipod
19:26:27Myth1512kb would be too diiscriminating :(
19:26:44DpK|Cronicmust i download the ipodpatcher... zip too?
19:26:50scott666I swore I'd never buy one a few years ago. Damn Apple and their making non-shitty products.
19:26:58godzirra*sigh* a few months ago, everyone recommended that I get something else other than the ipod.
19:27:04godzirranow I cant get anyone to recommend anything but an ipod ;p
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19:27:15crashdi like my 5g, especially so with rockbox on it
19:27:15lostlogicgodzirra: a few months ago rockbox support on ipod wasn't nearly as good :)
19:27:20*Myth1 is pleased with his iriver h320
19:27:21Learwell, modules (as in .mod and the like, I guess) is a bit of a special case, and might need to take over the entire codec buffer to work well. There's been some discussions about that at least.
19:27:36lostlogicscott666: I realized that my problem with the ipod and why I made that oath was software, not hardware, so rockbox made buying one earsy
19:27:38scott666Eveything else is shit. Seriously. This is coming from someone who's spent most his life /hating/ apple
19:27:57Myth1ok, i see. then we'll start with 512kb limited mods ;)
19:28:01godzirraMyth1: but you can only get htose on ebay now right?
19:28:14lostlogicwhy do .mods need so much ram?
19:28:24scott666lostlogic: 1G-3G were overpriced crap, but the 5G is just allaround sexy
19:28:32crashdseconded :)
19:28:46lostlogichehe, I also like the creative M:Vision's hardware better, but it's software even less :-\
19:29:19godzirrathe 5g what?
19:29:27lostlogicipoop of course
19:30:18scott666I still don't get the Nano
19:30:31godzirraThe nano is great for some people.
19:30:34scott666$250 for 4GB vs $300 for 30GB
19:30:40godzirraI got my wife one because she needed something for the gym.
19:30:44godzirrathe fact that I got it for 150 helped.
19:30:44Myth1godzilla: I bought mine at amazon last week
19:30:45lostlogicscott666: I said the same thing.
19:30:54scott666Ahh, that must be it. I don't exercise
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19:31:18godzirraMaybe I'll just switch back to my h12.
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19:31:32lostlogic*shrug* I carry my 30g 5g in a pocket or a backpack when I'm skating or walking or biking
19:31:37godzirraIf I could find a small case for my H130 I'd be happy.
19:31:41godzirraI didnt know there was a 5g ipod.
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19:31:44lostlogicgodzirra: h120 is a hard to beat player.
19:31:47godzirra5th gen.
19:32:13DpK|Cronicipodpatcher -w 2 rockboot.bin N= partition number or?
19:32:14thesonorkhi guys, is there any possibility to get rockbox working on a 4g Mini? (wich bootloader, rockbox to use?)
19:32:15godzirralostlogic: I bought a hard plastic case for mine that adds almost nothing to the size/weight.
19:32:17scott666apple should've just called em Ipod Videos
19:32:20DpK|Cronicipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin N= partition number or?
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19:32:30godzirrascott666: I thought they did. Everybody else outside this channel does :)
19:32:36lostlogicscott666: they're just ipod _with_ video... the ipod video is next :)
19:32:38PresenceI've had my 60gig 5G for a long hard week and the apple interface for itunes and on the ipod is retardo.
19:32:53DpK|Cronicscott666 ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin Must i replace N for the Number of my Partition?
19:33:02godzirraThe one thing I absolutely -loved- on iTunes was the playlist generation.
19:33:06PresenceI'm pro-apple if it was pre-OS9 and with a 68k processor. :) Apple Newton for LYFE.
19:33:09Mikachucall them ipV and the v can be either 5 or video
19:33:16godzirraThat was the -only- thing I loved about iTuns.
19:33:21scott666go through ipodpatcher 1, 2 ,3 etc
19:33:26scott666one of them will be youre ipod
19:33:28scott666use that for N
19:33:31DpK|Cronicy kk
19:33:37godzirraDpK|Cronic: It details that in the manual.
19:33:44DpK|Cronicyy i know O.o
19:34:00DpK|Cronichmm.. kk i testing
19:34:13scott666I despise iTunes
19:34:16thesonorkso its: "no, i cant run rockbox on a 4g mini"?
19:34:19DpK|CronicRockbox error: -1
19:34:21DpK|CronicWTF? >.<
19:34:27DpK|CronicRock box boot loader
19:34:40DpK|Croniclala Rockbox error: -1 WTF? :(
19:34:41scott666have you installed Rockbox?
19:34:49scott666downloaded a CVS build and put it on your ipod?
19:35:14DpK|Cronicyy but before i install i the rockboxx on ipod i testing it? he said it on g)
19:35:28scott666if the bootloaded pops up
19:35:31scott666you did it right
19:36:01DpK|Cronicahh the error when i dont installed the rockbox is right?
19:36:31DpK|Cronicand then unzipp the roclbox.ipod an the .rockbox direction on my ipod right?
19:37:07scott666and then reboot and you should have rockbox
19:37:19DpK|Cronici hope it..
19:37:23DpK|Cronicso i testing it yet
19:37:36scott666can someone help me install Doom? I feel like an idiot because the instruction are simple and yet it still won't work
19:37:54scott666i've got rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad in /games/doom/
19:37:59DpK|Cronicyeah its gone :)
19:38:22godzirrascott666: I coudlnt get it to work in my ipod either.
19:38:24DpK|Cronicare they have not a grafik display? only text?
19:38:40DpK|Cronicyou speaking from themes scott666 ?
19:38:41Mikachuscott666: and what happens?
19:38:50scott666Doom hangs
19:39:00Mikachuand it says what?
19:39:07scott666it used to be that I'd get some error and then hex
19:39:10scott666Data Error Aport
19:39:13Ribsokay... slight issue with rockbox today
19:39:17Ribswas walking home just now
19:39:26Ribsit started playing a song, everything was great
19:39:40scott666Now Doom just gives a black screen and does nothing, and then I manually reboot my ipod cause I'm impatient
19:39:44Ribsgot to around 20 seconds into the song, then skipped the majority of it, and started playing the end of it ...
19:39:47Ribsanyone else had that?
19:40:00Presenceurl to .mp3 for us to test.
19:40:46DpK|Cronicscott666 can i load gfx themes on my ipod video with color?
19:41:02Presenceon the other hand, I'm running last night's build and have been playing for the last 5 hours and not a single issue with playback.
19:41:08DpK|Croniccool can you give me the site to it? and the documention?
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19:41:49DpK|Cronicwhat plugins you use?
19:42:34DpK|Cronicand what theme you use?
19:42:34amiconnlostlogic: On my ride home, I got a hard freeze when trying to resume :(
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19:42:57thesonorkguys can u please help me? did anyone even read what i wrote?
19:43:19goffarockbox work on the h140?
19:43:41amiconnWps appeared, but only displayed the filename, and playtime 0:00/0:00 Playlist position & length were correct
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19:44:04goffaguess so
19:44:28DpK|Cronicscott666 can you give me your theme?
19:44:40scott666my customized one?
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19:44:48scott666it's kinda shitty, are you sure you want ti?
19:45:06thesonorkis there any possibility to get rockbox working on a 4gb Ipod Mini? (wich bootloader, rockbox to use?)
19:45:18LearRibs: seen something similar. Not quite that large skip, but...
19:45:40DpK|Cronicscott666 what is "kinda" ? ^^ ehm and yes i would it ;)
19:45:50Ribsoh good, not just me then :)
19:45:58RibsI've had it skip a few seconds before
19:46:03Ribsbut I assumed it was me being dumb
19:46:53scott666DpK|Cronic: KInda meeaning don't look too closely at it cause I did it in MS Paint
19:47:51DpK|Cronicahh ^^ kk also is your theme = SHIT? ^^
19:48:02DpK|Cronicscott666 or not good? :P
19:48:05amiconnBagder: around?
19:48:41goffaanyone use an h140? how does it compare to a 340?
19:50:07ep0chgoffa: less colours
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19:50:22goffathat's it?
19:50:23PaulJami don't think there are many differences, the h3x0 has a color display and USB-OTG and the h1x0 has optical line in/out
19:50:44ep0chihp-1x0 is thinner too
19:50:55goffacool.. what about battery?
19:51:08scott666DpK|Cronic: not complete shit. /I'm/ using it. It's just really not ready for the general public, because under any scrutiny you can tell it's shit
19:51:18Moosanyone know one windows way to convert .ttf font to .bdf one?
19:51:27amiconngoffa: H140 has the better case, s/pdif in/out, and the b/w lcd is readable without backlight.
19:51:48ep0chgoffa: with rockbox battery on h3x0 is bad at the moment, stock firmware is ok
19:51:52PaulJamwith rockbox h3x0 has a worse batteryperformance
19:51:53DpK|Cronic^^ the funktion is good but the gfx is shit ? i can good design.. can you send it to me pls?
19:52:00amiconnBut I personally dislike the joystick, and the placement of the buttons on more than one face
19:52:10ep0chi like the joystick
19:52:14goffabecause h140's are cheaper on ebay
19:52:15ep0chi love my ihp-120
19:52:18goffathan the 340
19:52:21goffaand more readily available
19:52:23scott666DpK|Cronic: I tried, it didnt seem to start though. I'm looking for a webhost.
19:52:39ep0chbest thing i ever bought period
19:52:42DpK|Cronicahh kk
19:52:43goffai use a monochrome wps on my x5 anyway
19:52:56DpK|Cronicscott666 can you give me tips for good plugins? :)
19:52:59goffaand i like my x5
19:53:04scott666Try them all
19:53:07goffai think 140 would compare
19:53:20scott666Jewels and Space Rocks are pretty cool though
19:53:39DpK|Cronic^^ kk are you have the link to the list?
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19:53:56Moosgoffa: I've got both h140 and X5 and those 2 rocks :)
19:54:31goffawhat do you like better Moos?
19:54:44Moosdepend in wich front
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19:54:58goffawhat do you mean?
19:55:15Moosgoffa: the subpack for X5 sucks, it's the thing I don't like much on X5
19:55:24goffayeah... i agree
19:55:25Moosfor recording h140 is the better
19:55:41thesonorkdamn, gotta use the AppleIpod software now again :-\
19:55:44Moosbut I prefer the X5 joystic to the h1xx one
19:55:46goffax5 record in rockbox?
19:55:52Moosnot yet
19:56:05goffadidn't think so
19:56:16goffabut wanted to make sure i wasnt missing something
19:56:25Moosbut using sibpack for record sucks too
19:56:53goffawell i was using built in mic with OF on x5
19:56:53Moosthey probably wanted to make the player as tiny as possible
19:57:04goffafor my drumming.. just to monitor myself
19:57:10Moos: )
19:57:21goffabrb... gotta go back to work
19:57:24Moosc you
19:57:32luckzMoos: supback?
19:57:42thesonorkis there any ipod-os that just works with a 4GB ipod mini? would need it, using linux on my pc, and those itunes-clones do not like my ipod....
19:57:43luckzmean the thingie for power and usb?
19:57:51Moosyeah :(
19:57:54Moosand record
19:58:01luckzthesonork: how many minis are there?
19:58:05Mooswe depend too much on this thing
19:58:11luckzwhat's the problem with using rockbox, thesonork?
19:58:31thesonorkno problem using it, just a problem finding the right rockbox version >_>
19:58:36luckzhow so?
19:58:48thesonorkcuz theres 1 for 1g,2g,and 3g minis but not for 4g
19:58:57luckz..4G or 4GB?
19:58:59thesonorkand the one i used seems not to work so far
19:59:03Moosquestion 2nd try: is anyone know how to convert .ttf font to .bdf one please? :)
19:59:25amiconnthesonork: Seems you're confusing G (generation) with GB
19:59:31thesonork4GB = 2nd generation , right?
19:59:42amiconnThere are only 2 generatins of the mini
19:59:45Mikachuthe size is not related to the generation
19:59:55amiconn2nd gen have the capacity engraved on the back
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20:00:06thesonorkwritten on the back
20:00:09thesonorknot engraved
20:00:28thesonorkso 2nd generationw as right, ... still does not work
20:00:34mikolasmy ipod finally got rockbox in it
20:01:02thesonorkwhen my ipod is "booting" i jsut get that awful folder icon on the screen
20:01:15thesonorkwith that apple support link below
20:01:17Mikachuthen you Did Something Wrong [tm]
20:01:54mikolasis there a reason why over 32 megs of memory will break it? if you manually define 64m in the makefile as the 60gb model has this amount of memory. i get codec errors all the time, everything is ok w/ 32m in the makefile.
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20:02:28Bagdermikolas: yes, since only changing that is not enough
20:02:38amiconnmikolas: Did you unzip the full package to your ipod after redefining the memory amount and rebuilding?
20:02:44mikolasof course
20:02:54amiconnBetter still, do a make clean; make && make zip
20:03:09mikolasbagder, is there a wiki entry or some docs on what has to be changed?
20:03:20BagderI don't think so
20:03:34Bagderbut I figure that define and the .lds files are the ones to edit
20:03:47mikolasok, i'll take a look at it
20:03:55amiconnBagder: I think we should replace the 1G, 2G ... with 1st gen, 2nd gen ...
20:04:14amiconnThere was quite some confusion related to that, especially for mini
20:04:29amiconn..and btw, the mini 1st gen is still missing on the frontpage
20:06:52Myth1Lear: Concerning the malloc(): How do I free the malloced buffer for the next track load?
20:07:20LearTo use the malloc, you first need to initialize it. Just do that again.
20:07:32Myth1ok, then how do I initialize it? ;)
20:07:49mikearthurguys, I may need to learn C for a summer job
20:08:06LearAnd the call in question is codec_init (had to look it up)...
20:08:14mikearthurI've got a lot of experience with Java, but need to learn the memory management science
20:08:17mikearthurany tips?
20:08:32mikearthuralso, on that note, if I want to learn C and C++, which should I learn first?
20:09:49Myth1Lear: OK, thanks for the info
20:10:48lostlogicamiconn: :(
20:12:08DpK|Cronicwhere i must input my music? XD
20:12:55scott666DpK|Cronic: wherever you like.
20:13:05DpK|Cronicand then? o.o
20:13:26scott666you play it
20:13:47DpK|Cronichmzzz ^^ kk
20:13:53thesonorkok now i got the bootloader working but rockbox isn't
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20:14:31DpK|Cronicwhat plugins do you have on your ipod scott666 ?`
20:14:49scott666all the ones that come with it
20:15:05scott666look in .rockbox/rocks/
20:15:13Moosthesonork: did you dowloaded the CVS build?
20:15:40thesonorkand cpied it to dev/sda2
20:15:53DpK|Cronicahhh the plugbox?
20:15:57*amiconn is trying to narrow down the crash with sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x -Os
20:16:02_klrspzDpK|Cronic, did you get it working?
20:16:06thesonorkrockbox error -4
20:16:10thesonorkis the output
20:16:11DpK|Cronicyes :D
20:16:18_klrspzDpK|Cronic, what was the issue?
20:16:20DpK|Cronici have install the false version !
20:16:32_klrspzwrong device?
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20:16:43DpK|Cronicnope wrong version !
20:16:52KlrSpzthat's what i meant, sorry
20:17:18DpK|Cronic^^ np
20:17:28DpK|Cronichmm.. how i can play doom on it ? O:o
20:17:58DpK|CronicKlrSpz can you say me what theme u use?
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20:19:18KlrSpzright now i use:
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20:19:24KlrSpzi'm in the works of designing my own though
20:20:06DpK|Cronichmm.. oh you have a ipod nano :( i have a video
20:20:33KlrSpzi see
20:20:41KlrSpzi can't find ou tabou tthe toolbar exactly
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20:21:27DpK|Cronicand what plugins you use?
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20:22:25DpK|Cronichmm.. i will use the ipod green 5g what must i make?
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20:23:55thesonorkow damnit
20:24:04thesonorkwhy the holy hell is my ipod now Read only lol
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20:25:34KlrSpzDpK|Cronic, i don't really use a whole lot of plugins, i deleted most in fact
20:25:58DpK|Cronichmm ...
20:26:21KlrSpzthose are the ones i kept
20:26:23DpK|Cronici need a simple menu ^^ and how i can listen music with it? XD and how i must music in it?
20:26:27scott666I like playing the old archos plugins on my ipod. It has the same nostalgic feel as playing DOS games.
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20:27:10amiconngcc 3.4.x misinterprets #pragma interrupt when optimsising...
20:27:37amiconnIt compiles _all_ subsequent functions as interrupt handlers, not only the following one
20:27:39KlrSpzDpK|Cronic, what do you mean?
20:28:01DpK|Cronicwhat must i make to listen music with the rockbox?^^
20:28:09amiconn...and obviously, RTE is not the same as RTS -> bad crash
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20:28:37amiconnAnyway, function attributes are better than #pragma, so that should be changed
20:30:33scott666DpK|Cronic: Have you seen the manual? You might enjoy reading it
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20:31:26DpK|Cronichmm i reading it now o.o^
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20:33:25DpK|Cronici dont find it ^^
20:35:53KlrSpzDpK|Cronic, it is based off a file tree, so just make a dir called Songs or whatever it is in german, and dump your mp3's/oggs/etc in there
20:38:38preglowdo we need to include the directions for use in the pitch screen, or what
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20:39:55ep0chdoes the quick menu?
20:40:36amiconnpreglow: Changing all #pragma interrupt to blahfn __attribute__((interrupt_handler)); fixes the hard crash with gcc 3.4.x and -Os on archos
20:40:51amiconn...and the best thing is that doing so saves another ~500 bytes
20:41:00 Quit ender` (" Simulations are like miniskirts, they show a lot and hide the essentials.")
20:41:05*preglow isn't a fan of #pragma
20:41:27*petur looks for some code to fill up the 500 byte gap
20:41:59*amiconn slaps petur
20:42:23*petur expected that and ducked before the slapping :P
20:42:24amiconnpreglow: Me neither, but that's what it was in several places
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20:43:25webguest73hardeep, are you still interested in the playlist catalog feature ?
20:44:02tf4Is there a decent itunes replacement for rockbox?
20:44:17webguest73yes, explorer
20:44:26tf4OR is there a way to still use itunes for my new rockbox?
20:44:38tf4i dont like the file menuing system :(
20:44:51webguest73use tagcache
20:45:22tf4ok does that create a id3 database that rockbox can read?
20:46:24tf4yeah im reading it now.... So do I run this on my current ipod_control folder??
20:46:40Myth1ahh. mod is playing fine in the simulator ;)
20:47:01goffahmm... i think i did ok there... got a h140 for $197
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20:48:16*amiconn is listening to music and running plugins with a gcc 3.4.6 -Os build on his recorder :-)
20:48:41webguest73tf4, read 'Using Tag Cache'
20:49:10amiconnNeed to check whether the interrupt_handler change doesn't break on gcc 3.3.x, then commit, and prepare the gcc patch
20:50:34amiconnWith gcc 3.4.6 and -Os, we'll get rombox back for fmr and recv2. >8KB below limit...
20:50:41tf4are there any other sites on the net that have cool ipod video themes other than on rockbox's website?
20:51:05tf4most of the themes - the fonts are too small for me, im old and have bad eyesite ;)
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20:51:24webguest73well you can change the font
20:53:01preglowamiconn: so, which of the solutions to the jump table problem did you implement?
20:53:02webguest73tf4, go to > general settings > display > browse fonts
20:53:25goffawell.. paid... now the wait begins
20:53:33amiconnpreglow: The simple one. I have no idea where the instruction generation takes place...
20:54:28amiconnIt seems there's _no_ other platform that uses this .unsigned flag... I searched for it...
20:55:06preglowamiconn: tried asking the gcc people if this is due to negligence or an old backend?
20:55:09preglowi suspect the last
20:55:15webguest73tf4, or you can create your own wps, with custom font, go here for more info
20:55:52tf4yeah i might make my will be fun
20:56:11tf4i really dig the brushed, i changed the font but now i lost stuff on the screen :(
20:56:21tf4the brushed metal is so cool looking
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20:56:37webguest73yes you need to play around with the spacing a bit
20:57:14amiconnpreglow: No I didn't ask the gcc people
20:57:58amiconnDon't feel a strong inclination to do so either...
20:59:59preglowit's a bug, and it would be fun if it got fixed
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21:00:29peturwell if nobody tells them about their stupid bugs, how will they ever fix them?
21:00:35amiconnIt won't be fixed in any version we can use, as the 3.4 branch is closed...
21:00:45preglowwe're not the only people on this planet
21:00:55preglownot that i think anyone else uses the sh port..
21:01:14ep0chanyone know of a reliable ftp client that can handle a queue of 250,000 files?
21:01:35Presencetf4, <−− a couple more wps packages for ipod video
21:02:38amiconnpetur: Thing is, I told them of 2 bugs already. They prefer to ignore them...
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21:02:45PresenceSo, for shits, I read the RockBox manual just now.
21:02:53PresenceIts a really good read.
21:03:05PresenceI had no idea I was using RockBox "right", but I was.
21:03:12Presenceyay for it being that damn intuitive!
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21:04:56amiconnMaybe I'll still file a report, but I don't have much hope that it will help anything :-/
21:05:03preglowamiconn: yeah, but this time you've got a solution
21:05:14amiconnpreglow: A partial solution...
21:05:21preglowbeats nothing
21:05:52lostlogiccan I edit the manual in vi?
21:05:58preglowwhy not
21:06:00preglowi do
21:06:16lostlogichmm, ok
21:06:20peturI'm adding a HZ/10 sleep between lcd_enable and backlight_on for H300 to get rid of the flash when using dark backgrounds. it looks enough to me - any objections before i commit?
21:06:27amiconnActually, there are 2 bugs. The second one is the #pragma interrupt
21:06:27*lostlogic checks it out and fixes the crossfade section
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21:06:49preglowamiconn: that certainly won't be fixed
21:06:57pixelmais the one here who created the bigger cards in the solitaire plugin?
21:06:59amiconnWhy not?
21:07:10preglowyou don't have a solution :)
21:07:18amiconnmrf :(
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21:07:32preglowi can't possibly see anyone of the gcc people looking for solution for sh-gcc
21:07:33preglowno way
21:07:39preglowthey're only interested in powerpc and x86
21:07:52carinilostlogic: You around?
21:08:01amiconnI don't think this is sh specific
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21:08:31amiconnMaybe it's already fixed in 4.x, dunno
21:09:54amiconnHmm, actually I should check the 4.x sources. Maybe the jumptable bug is fixed there...
21:10:14amiconnThat would be ironic...
21:10:38*amiconn uses too many ellipses...
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21:11:44lostlogiccarini: vaguely.
21:11:46pixelmaI wonder if the current solitaire plugin has been tested on Archos devices - because on the small display it is almost not playable
21:12:11pixelmait was better before
21:12:37carinilostlogic: I just had the "resume on startup" problem. I can't seem to reproduce it with logf enabled, although I did get one instance where it dropped back to the file browser. The logf had a message "Buffering track:0/0".
21:13:22*amiconn goes cvs log hunting
21:13:33lostlogiccarini: apparently that bug needs to be moved back to the "need fixing" category. feel free to do so.
21:13:57bleakedok, so i enabled tagcache..uploaded an album, tested it, it worked great. so i plugged my device back in, filled the 2Gb drive, unmounted, rebooted the device, rockbox loaded, and now there's been a "Loading..." on the screen for over 20 minutes. also, tagcahce is configured to load into RAM. should it take this long? the wiki says 5-10 minutes.
21:14:59bleakedthe LCD still glows when i touch the scroll wheel, so it still seems "responsive"
21:15:32Mikachuthat's handled in interrupts, so it almost always works, even if everything is crashed
21:17:21preglowamiconn: doubt it's fixed
21:18:17bleakedwell, is there a way i can bypass this thing from loading the cache? (i sort of need to go soon, and would like some tunes)
21:19:25Leardelete/move/rename the tagcache files in .rockbox.
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21:20:27npskendoes any version of Rockbox support the gmini 120?
21:20:52*npsken cries
21:21:07peturstart a port?
21:21:09linuxstbIt's an opportunity...
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21:21:21*linuxstb apologies for the ellipses
21:21:26npskenwhat about starting a port?
21:21:40amiconnpixelma: It seems tha the bigger cards were introduced with the adjustment to colour, made by Paprica and committed by LinusN on 20 Dec 2005
21:21:51linuxstbA port was started, but it's abandoned.
21:22:15linuxstbI'm guessing the only developer lost interest. No current developers own one.
21:22:40amiconnpixelma: This needs to be fixed before the 3.0 release... looks really nasty. Didn't notice it earlier, tss
21:22:42npskenI own one, but I guess I'm not a developer, I just know a little programming, like php and mysql
21:23:10*npsken will go away now
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21:23:30pixelmaI haven't played solitaire for a while so i didn't realised it earlier either
21:24:17pixelmaamiconn: for the next release you could take the older version for Archos
21:24:36amiconnYes, the old cardset can be readded for archos.
21:25:09amiconnI think we should go for the proper solution and convert the cardsets to bmp. Makes it easier to add more sets for the various screen resolutions
21:25:36amiconnYou could also try to pixel better ones ;)
21:25:40pixelmasounds good
21:25:58pixelmai surely would go for that
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21:28:48linuxstbLooking at the solitaire source, it seems that there is just one set of bitmaps - but not the full cards, just the elements that make up the card, such as the numbers and suit symbols.
21:29:04amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, but check the changes for v 1.20
21:29:14amiconnThe symbols were much smaller before
21:29:25amiconn..and the cardsize definitions too
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21:30:08amiconnThis is what I call hiding one change within another. The commit msg says nothing about changed sizes...
21:30:15linuxstbThat doesn't surprise me. Could we just re-insert those? It seems nice to have card components that are suitable for a range of LCD sizes - but maybe we need at least two sizes.
21:30:59amiconnYes we could just reinsert them, but I think it's a good opportunity for adapting solitaire to your bmp build system
21:31:16amiconnIn fact it's already partially adapted
21:32:01linuxstbYes, I did that at some point.
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21:34:27LearAnyone who knows what libssp in gcc is?
21:34:33Lear(Just being curious...)
21:35:02linuxstbamiconn: OK, I'll add solitaire to my list of things to do unless you have an overwhelming desire to do it.
21:35:24bleakedLear. so i deleted all of the tagcache files, restarted teh device, and now it's loading you think it will work, or is it just going to hang again?
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21:36:42LearIt certainly won't hang if you don't initiate a new tagcache build (but maybe it works if you do try again...).
21:37:35bleakedLear. well, that's just it..i'm not initiating's "Loading..." on boot..i cannot do anything..i cannot even access rockbox to even turn it off..
21:37:50LearLoading what?
21:38:18bleakedi see the status bar, the rockbox logo, and a yellow box with bold lettering that says, "Loading..."
21:38:27bleakedever time i boot the device
21:38:35bleakedand this was ever since i enabled tagcache
21:38:45LearSounds like it tries to resume something. Resume set to auto?
21:39:01bleakedyea, i have resume playback on
21:39:06bleakedand come to think of it
21:39:16bleakedthe song it was last playing has since been deleted.
21:39:29LearOuch, sounds like a bad bug... :/
21:39:35bleakedso perhaps this is not even a tagcache problem?
21:39:52bleakedcan i manually edit a config file from my pc to turn it off?
21:40:11amiconnbleaked: Try resetting the settings on boot. This should also kill the resume position
21:40:14LearNope, you'll have to force a setting reset on boot.
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21:40:35bleakedok, what's the protocol to do such a thing?
21:40:46amiconnbleaked: ipod or iriver?
21:41:11amiconnSwitch on Hold _immediately_ after powering on
21:41:37bleakedah, very nice
21:41:40bleakedthank you, sir
21:42:45PresenceI learned about the hold switch clearing sector 61 yesterday!
21:43:36bleakedso yea..i guess if one has resume on startup turned on, then pauses a song, then decides to change the music on the device, it will lock up on next boot.
21:44:05bleakedat least ostensibly
21:44:13bleakedi will test this further when i have more time.
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21:48:00LearHe, lots of warnings from gcc 4.1.0... :)
21:49:55*amiconn just found that the unsigned byte jumptable _should_ work
21:50:19amiconnIt's just neither a .c nor a .h file where this is checked
21:50:26amiconnIt's in
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21:52:45DpK|Croniccan anyone help me with doom?
21:52:57DpK|Cronicthe documention are not good :P
21:53:13DpK|Croniche say the base wad failed? or is not loaded
21:54:24scott666copy rockdoom.wad to /games/doom
21:55:38DpK|Cronicrocks/games/doom or?
21:56:26DpK|CronicG:\.rockbox\rocks\games\doom right?
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21:56:59PaulJamno, in the root of your player: G:\games\doom
21:57:36DpK|Cronicahh kk
21:59:23ep0chi hope that gets changed for 3.0
22:00:34midgey34I vote for /.rockbox/doom
22:00:45DpK|Cronicwhen i loaded in the folder they can not play it
22:00:48ep0chmaybe use a /.rockbox/3rdparty/ and in there have doom, pacman, themes etc
22:00:59PaulJamor .rockbox/rocks/doom
22:01:07Mikachu.rockbox shouldn't be for user data imo
22:01:21DpK|Cronicwhen i browse the game/doom folder he not show me the .wad files !
22:01:39midgey34browse plugins, select doom
22:01:44midgey34not in the browser
22:01:47PaulJamDpK|Cronic: open the plugin from the menu
22:02:01DpK|Cronicfrom the "open with" ?
22:02:26DpK|Cronicalso i have it in G:\game\doom
22:02:30midgey34no, go to browse plugins
22:02:34PaulJamin the main menu select "zeige plugins"
22:02:35LearBut isn't rockboy files in .rockbox?
22:02:39DpK|Cronicthen i make my ipod on they show me root and game
22:02:43DpK|Cronici klick on game/doom
22:02:53midgey34Lear: rockboy is a viewer so no
22:02:54DpK|Cronicpaul can speak german?
22:02:55Myth1I need a quick hint: If I compile my new codec for iriver I get the following error: "/home/sinsch/src/rockbox/rockbox/apps/codecs/mod.c:563: undefined reference to `strncmp'", what did I miss?
22:03:31Myth1compiles fine on the simulator though
22:03:37Learmust call through codec api, unless there's a macro hiding that.
22:03:45Learprobably not the case for strncmp...
22:04:05Myth1so how can I fix this?
22:04:13freqmodprefix with rb->
22:04:24LearShould be ci-> in a codec...
22:04:43DpK|Cronicpaul ich hab das in den root ornder gesteckt wie jetzt weiter?
22:05:00DpK|Cronicim normalen "anfangs display" zeigt er mir ordner an nur die wad nich
22:05:37MikachuMyth1: yes
22:06:06Myth1ok, thanks. I guess the same goes for malloc
22:06:07PaulJamDpK|Cronic: press the button that brings you to the main menu (i don't know which one it is on ipod)
22:06:08LearIn the end, it depends on what you call the codec_api pointer...
22:06:24Mikachusince when does rockbox have malloc?
22:06:36DpK|Cronicok und dann?
22:06:54LearOnly for codecs.
22:06:59LearAnd it is a hack...
22:07:14PaulJamthen select "zeige plugins / browse plugins" and press select
22:07:33DpK|Cronicjo habsch
22:07:39DpK|Cronicdann doom
22:07:40freqmodthe doom plugin, does not it have a more complete malloc? Z_Zone.c?
22:07:42Myth1hmm, structure has no member strncmp
22:08:00Mikachuthen maybe the codec api doesn't give you strncmp
22:08:00DpK|Cronicaber dann sagt er missing base wad
22:08:14midgey34did you copy rockdoom.wad?
22:08:25Myth1ok, then I skip the check ;)
22:08:25scott666I've copied rockdoom.wad and doom1. wad into I:\games\doom\ but when i run the Doom plugin I just get a black screen.
22:08:29MikachuMyth1: there is only strncasecmp for some reason
22:08:38amiconnMyth1: codec malloc() does _not_ need ci-> since it's not a core function
22:08:42MikachuMyth1: and strcmp
22:09:47LearAnd malloc is called codec_malloc.
22:09:50Myth1ok, strncasecmp works fine. Is this case sensitive or not?
22:10:35Mikachuif you need strncmp i guess you either need to add it to /firmware/common or internally in the codec
22:10:43DpK|CronicPaulJam ?
22:11:02DpK|CronicPaulJam also ich hab das jetzt drin in dem dingens ordner nur wenn ich den unter plugins starte sagt er immer noch "base wad failed"
22:11:07Myth1strncasecmp should suffice
22:11:11MikachuMyth1: or maybe it's just not exported
22:11:24MikachuMyth1: you can try adding it to apps/codecs.c (and .h?)
22:11:39PaulJammoment (telefon)
22:11:52Learstrncmp exist in the core.
22:11:59Mikachuthen it's just not exported
22:12:07Myth1strncmp works fine in getmetadata, so I really wonder whats going on here
22:12:33DpK|CronicPaulJam kannsu schneller machen? +g+ muss glecih off..
22:12:56Myth1anyway, it now compiles. Lets find out if it also works ;)
22:12:58MikachuMyth1: for the sim, the linker will probably fall back on libc for strncmp
22:13:35Learcodec (or plugin) need to go through the api to access functions in the Rockbox core. Makes them less dependent on exact version of Rockbox.
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22:17:05PaulJamDpK|Cronic: do you have the files G:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad and G:\games\doom\doom1.wad on your player
22:17:17DpK|Cronicyes !
22:17:34DpK|Cronicall other doom files can i delete?
22:17:52PaulJamthen i have no idea what is wrong, sorry
22:18:01DpK|Cronichmm... :/
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22:19:08Myth1damn, i have to reboot, my automount screwed it up
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22:19:20scott666PaulJam: I've copied rockdoom.wad and doom1. wad into I:\games\doom\ but when i run the Doom plugin I just get a black screen. Any thoughts?
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22:20:21midgey34DpK|Cronic: what happens when you load doom from the plugin menu?
22:21:01DpK|Cronicthe sayed "Missing base wad"
22:21:16scott666odnt listen to him; listen to me
22:21:33scott666i have to go to work and show everyone how cool rockbox is
22:21:46DpK|Cronicmidgey34 but i have the rock and the doom1.wad in the G:/games/doom folder !
22:22:18PaulJammaybe the rockdoom.wad file is broken, you could try redownloading it
22:23:35scott666ive done that several times
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22:25:52DpK|Cronici have it but the same failer :(
22:25:52midgey34hmm, well I don't have any problems here, and its working fine on the ipod 5g sim
22:25:55peturany objections that I close tasks 4752 and 4883 regarding usb insertion during playback (WPS screen)? My h300 does everything ok.
22:25:56DpK|Cronicbase wad failed >.<
22:26:12midgey34have you tried restarting your player?
22:28:04scott666DpK|Cronic: did you say you had the .rock file in X:\games\doom?
22:28:06midgey34I can't think or why it wouldn't be working; I'm just throwing out ideas
22:28:54DpK|Cronicscott666 yes
22:28:59DpK|Cronichmm no
22:29:04PaulJamdoes rockbox make a difference if the folder is called Games or games ?
22:29:13peturamiconn / Bagder / linuxstb /...? any objections that I close tasks 4752 and 4883 regarding usb insertion during playback (WPS screen)? My h300 does everything ok.
22:29:16DpK|Cronici have the .wad files in the folder !
22:29:19DpK|Cronicbut not the .rock
22:29:51DpK|Cronichmm.. can you send me a copy from the folders so i can sned it to my ipod?
22:29:56DpK|Cronicthen must its go or?
22:30:22DpK|Cronicrockdoom.wad and doom1.wad are in G:\game\doom
22:30:37PaulJamgame or games
22:31:06PaulJamrename the folder to games
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22:31:29DpK|Cronicmom kk
22:31:32Myth1ha, works like a charme
22:31:46Myth1listening to startrecker mods right now on my h320 ;)
22:31:55ep0chMyth1: noway!?
22:32:04DpK|Cronicooooh xD its gone
22:32:07DpK|CronicxDD thanks :P
22:32:38midgey34scott666: what player do you have?
22:32:46scott666ipod 5G 60GB
22:33:02midgey34and you just get a black screen?
22:33:14scott666for a while I was getting a bunch of errors
22:33:29DpK|CronichmZz O.o why the computer play? XD
22:33:34scott666failed to find PNames, blah blah blah
22:33:42scott666and then finally Data Abort with some hex
22:34:21Myth1I'm uploading a diff so everyone can test it
22:34:23scott666so then i deleted the games folder, and added it back and re-downloaded rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad
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22:34:47scott666and now doom.rock just hangs with a black screen
22:34:52midgey34so you load doom, it says "Welcome to RockDoom", you can choose your wad, but when you select "play game" it crashes before getting to the title screen
22:35:04midgey34or do you not even get that far
22:35:16ep0chMyth1: for DUMB? it works in realtime?
22:35:54scott666i dont even get that anymroe
22:36:01scott666for a while i got that much
22:36:05scott666but now i just get nothing
22:36:29scott666i have to leave for work any minute now though
22:36:51scott666ill back around again in ~6 hours
22:37:02midgey34well, it crashes in the sim too
22:37:19scott666see if you can fix it before i get home :-)
22:37:32PaulJamscott666: you could try if it helps to remove the file default.dfg from the /games/doom/ folder (if it exists)
22:37:48scott666it doesnt
22:37:58scott666i tried using the installer too
22:38:05scott666but that thing seems even more fucked up
22:38:23Myth1ep0ch: No, its not dumb based. It's based on an old open source module player for GUS. I added a mixer myself and watched out for not using floating point operations. I guess its pretty fast
22:38:59scott666im leaving now, later
22:39:04ep0chMyth1: ahh what's it called?
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22:39:24Myth1its called simplemod ;)
22:39:31Myth1at least thats what I named it
22:40:28ep0chgreat can't wait to check it out, does it use any resampling?
22:41:07Myth1it uses a mixer at 44.1khz with linear interpolation
22:41:40midgey34well, I'm off as well. time to go buy a corsage.
22:41:42ep0chnice :)
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22:42:10amiconnMyth1: w00t!
22:42:29amiconnIs the mixer configurable, i.e. could it mix to other frequencies than 44.1kHz?
22:42:37amiconn(guess it is)
22:44:07Learlostlogic: on that bad seek (i.e., seek back into the next track), cur_ti->start_pos is all wrong. It should be around 19 MB, but is like 90 KB.
22:44:15Myth1yes of course it can mix to other frequencies
22:45:52amiconnMyth1: I'm very interested in seeing the performance
22:46:18peturif a bugreport for a target seems fixed for that target but not another one, should the task be closed and recreated for the other target or modified to cover the other target. Or choose option c if my question is totally unclear :D
22:46:21amiconnIf it's fast enough, I might port it to archos...
22:46:51amiconnWould be 73h l33t to have mod playback...
22:46:52elinenbeamiconn: do you think a May 1 release date is possible?
22:47:08amiconnelinenbe: I expect a delay of at least one week
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22:47:30Myth1amiconn: What do you mean by "port it to archos"? Shouldn't this work automatically?
22:47:44Myth1amiconn: why not?
22:47:44amiconnArchos is hwcodec, not swcodec
22:48:01amiconnIt has a slow cpu, and can normally only play mp3
22:48:10Myth1how fast is the archos cpu?
22:48:26amiconn11MHz in the recorders, 12MHz in the Ondios
22:49:23Myth1uh, thats really slow
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22:49:52amiconnWe recently got permission to use the pcm codec for the MAS chip, and now there's a wavplay plugin
22:50:37amiconn...but playing wav isn't much fun on archos. The archoses have only 2MB RAM, so the disk spins up every ~10 seconds...
22:52:51ep0chdoes ADPCM work on archos?
22:52:58amiconnNot yet
22:53:10amiconnThe wavplay plugin is meant as a preview
22:53:32amiconnWAV playback needs to be integrated into the playback engine, but that's post-3.0 stuff
22:54:44ep0chMyth1: which formats does it support so i can prepare a mod collection in advance for testing? :)
22:55:00Presencethats so rad, .mod music support.
22:55:05amiconnIt pretty much requires unification of the 2 playback engines, which in turn requires more work on the swcodec one
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22:55:33amiconn(splitting the source file into several parts, and making the code more compact)
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22:55:59Presenceby building .mod support, are you implying like .s3m screamtrackers or .xm support too?
22:56:53Myth1ep0ch: It plays startrecker/protracker 4-8 channels modules. But it think there is still a bug with modules > 4 channels (some channels are muted, but it worked once)
22:57:23Myth1Presence: No xm yet, but I can do this, too. This is however far more complicated :(
22:57:33Presencehah, I can't begin to imagine.
22:57:55Presencefreaking how rad, though, classic! <3
22:59:14amiconnIt seems I hafta join the gcc channel...
22:59:58Myth1here you go:
23:00:07ep0chalready there :p
23:00:54CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 19 minutes and 47 seconds at the last flood
23:00:54*petur wonders if lostlogics refactoring maybe fixed bug 4754
23:02:04MikachuMyth1: trying on ipod nano
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23:03:50Myth1please make sure not to load modules larger than 486kbyte!
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23:04:18Mikachumy only .mod is 250kB :)
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23:07:15MikachuMyth1: it seems to work, it doesn't seem to sound exactly like i remember it though
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23:07:32MikachuMyth1: also the time meter goes like 3 seconds per second
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23:07:46Myth1oh thats true ;)
23:07:55Myth1guess thats why its 0.1 ;)
23:08:01Myth1does it sound wrong?
23:08:14Myth1can you send me the mod?
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23:08:53Mikachuit's mostly right
23:10:08ep0chamiconn: there is hope for archos, no boosting on ihp for 4 channel mods
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23:10:29ep0chMyth1: thanks its good :)
23:10:45Presencehahah, orgasmod!! Future Crew represent!
23:11:13Myth1Mikachu: What is exactly wrong? As I don't know the original I can't hear it
23:11:22MikachuMyth1: that sound in the beginning sounds like it's too slow or something
23:11:30MikachuMyth1: you don't have a mod player? :)
23:11:36Presenceone's built into winamp.
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23:12:00Myth1Mikachu: No, none installed here ;) What do you recommend?
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23:12:21Mikachuno idea, i have a libmodplug and libmikmod in my music player
23:12:27Mikachui can oggify it
23:12:49Myth1can xmms play mods?
23:13:03Mikachudon't remember
23:13:29Presenceits a plugin for xmms
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23:13:45Presencebuilt into videolan.
23:13:58markunmy xmms is compiled with mikmod
23:14:10ep0chMyth1: your mod player does adds a little stereo width too?
23:14:27MikachuMyth1: sounds like the sound should be periodically muted, but isn't in your player
23:15:29Myth1ep0ch: It balances the voice on both channels (left=16, right=0), channel balancing: 4,12,12,4
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23:18:10goffadoes the h140 use the same cross compiler as the x5?
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23:18:21ep0chMyth1: i think i get slight clipping
23:18:40Bagdergoffa: yes
23:18:54goffai won't have to do anything when my new player comes then :)
23:19:48Myth1Mikachu: How many channels does this song use?
23:20:23Myth1hmm, its 4 channel protracker
23:20:34Mikachuthat's what file told me at least
23:20:34Myth1i have to check this
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23:21:23HClwoot :D
23:21:55RedBreva_bluebrother: You there?
23:22:03bluebrotheryes, shortly.
23:22:42RedBreva_I have just installed linux on the laptop and am having some diffs building the manual...
23:22:52RedBreva_Warning: pdflatex (file /var/lib/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/ inv
23:22:52RedBreva_alid entry for `umju24': too big value of ExtendFont (2)
23:23:14RedBreva_What have i forgotten to install?
23:23:26RedBreva_or is something missing from Path
23:23:28bluebrotheruuuh. What distro?
23:24:23bluebrotherhmm, my experience on SuSE is some years old.
23:24:56RedBreva_I am getting absolutly LOADs of these error, but the pdf seems to actually build
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23:25:39bluebrotherstrange. Maybe it replaces the fonts with different.
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23:26:15juliushi all
23:26:54juliusI would just ask you for some help on getting itrip fm transmiter to work on a rockbox system, so here are my foundings:
23:27:03juliusI tested the dock connector with the original firmware and there is a power output as explained here with a voltage of 3.3
23:27:07bluebrotheryou could try running texhash. I have no idea if it helps, but I think it won't hurt.
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23:27:15juliusbut the problem is that if I run the rockbox firmware there is no power at all at the dock connector
23:27:30juliuscould someone please help me to somehow turn the power supply on ? please?!
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23:30:12peturjulius: there's no info on that page how to enable it. I gather the ipl people know how to switch it on/off?
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23:30:50RedBreva_no, made no difference...
23:31:14RedBreva_is there a specify font package that is required
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23:31:53juliuspetur, I just asked them on the ipodlinux channel, and they say I should direct any problems like this to you guys
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23:33:33preglowthey most certainly know better than us
23:33:36preglowbeing their source code, and all
23:33:54juliusI thought that soo, but they still sent me here :)
23:34:26juliuscould some from the devel team ask them, maybe that way they will give more info on it
23:34:47juliusbtw: the sound works greate, only the power is missing from the dock connector
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23:36:17peturjulius: from what I read on the pages, the 3.3V is supposed to be just there (always)? They mention nothing about enabling it
23:36:34juliuspetur, yes but it's not
23:36:38juliusthats the problem :)
23:36:49chiis rockbox linux?
23:36:54Bagderchi: nope
23:37:01Bagderrockbox is Rockbox!
23:37:12dwihnoYOU is Rockbox!
23:37:26preglowhahaha, so we've got a mod player too, now?
23:37:41dwihnopreglow: in the tracker?
23:37:58chii saw some refrences to "root" on it so i was wondering heh
23:38:03dwihnopreglow: have you checked it out?
23:38:06petursorry 4 the long link)
23:38:20preglowdwihno: mno
23:38:25preglowbut i'm gonna
23:38:43dwihnomod support is kinda sweet
23:39:01preglowi haven't got any .mod files anymore, though
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23:39:56midgey34so, theoretically 3.1 could have sid, mod, and wma assuming marsdaddy's work goes well
23:40:06juliuspetur, ye, I just did the same thing as explaind here: and if I run the original firmware I have power, but if I use rockbox, the power is down
23:40:21midgey34and a chance for the new aac decoder posted on ffmpeg mailing list if its in fixed point by then
23:40:24Myth1does anyone know how I can adjust the struct alignment?
23:40:35Myth1something like #pragma pack(0) on visual studio
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23:40:57Bagderstruct S { short f[3]; } __attribute__ ((aligned (8)));
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23:41:44peturjulius: i have no knowledge of ipl (don't even have an ipod) so if anybody else here can help? Or ask the ipl people where in their source the power is anabled?
23:41:54preglowwhat's up with the codec memory limitation mentioned in the patch?
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23:42:19Bagder... but pack 0 might mean __attribute__ ((packed)) ?
23:42:35bluebrotherRedBreva_: hmm, man updmap tells me: updmap - Update font map files for TeX output drivers.
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23:42:37juliuspetur, thanks a lot for the help, I'm just asking them, and it seems they try to help me, so if I found something I get back to you guys
23:42:47bluebrothermaybe running this could help
23:43:12bluebrotheron my machine (fc5) the files are in the tetex-fonts package. Maybe this is the same on Suse.
23:43:13RedBreva_OK, I'll try it...
23:46:00RedBreva_hmm, it reconfigured several files, but the manual build still has all the same errors... :(
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23:47:06Myth1gotta go, see you later guys
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23:47:22RedBreva_no tetex-fonts package on Yast :(
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23:49:14bluebrotheryou could look if any package owns the files. rpm -qf <yourfileinquestion>
23:51:21linuxstbjulius: You should check the CVS history for the IPL kernel - the important bits are here:
23:51:29linuxstbjulius: This diff looks promising:
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23:52:06amiconnpreglow: The gcc people aren't really helpful :/
23:52:31amiconnThey were pointing me at the rtl output, but I have no idea what to check that for
23:53:14preglowamiconn: i know they're not
23:53:19preglowi've been hanging around them for almost a month
23:53:37amiconnSomething goes rather wrong. I know where, but I don't know why
23:54:06amiconnDo you know anything about this rtl stuff
23:55:08preglowvery, very little
23:55:09linuxstbjulius: Try searching for this comment: "/* to power up the 3.3V pin + ?? */" in the diff I linked to you. Those three writes to the PCF chip seem to be what you are looking for.
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23:55:43bluebrotherRedBreva_: sorry, can't help you at the moment. Need to grab some sleep now. My day was kinda exhausting.
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23:56:29preglowamiconn: know anything about why nothing uses that variable?
23:56:47amiconnI was wrong, the flag is supposed to be evaluated
23:57:06juliuslinuxstb, but it seems there is no solution for that yet, but anyway, it was a greate help, now I know what to show the ipodlinux people
23:57:07amiconnThe code is neither in a .c nor in a .h file, that's why I overlooked it
23:57:07pregloweven though it's never mentioned in the source?
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23:58:11preglowweird, though, i think i did a grep through all files
23:58:17linuxstbjulius: What do you mean "there is no solution" ? If I was you, I would try those lines.
23:58:51juliuslinuxstb, it says: /* to power up the 3.3V pin + ?? */ with ???? and there is no command below the comment
23:58:59linuxstbSome people have reported that certain accessories work with IPL, but not Rockbox - so we are definitely not doing something they are.

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