| 00:00:06 | linuxstb | julius: f you look at the diff, it just enables for the 4g ipod what they used to do for the 3g ipods. Plus they've added some comments. |
| 00:00:49 | julius | linuxstb, so the code shoud be this one: ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x24, 0xf5); |
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| 00:01:03 | amiconn | The if() in sh.md:7138 always evaluates to false even though sh.h 2593 and sh.h:2595 should set the flag |
| 00:01:29 | preglow | weird |
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| 00:02:54 | amiconn | I have 2 choices without further hints what's going wrong here: (1) Drop the unsigned byte case and let gcc switch to word sized table for >127 or (2) Drop the signed case and always insert an extu.b for byte-sized table |
| 00:02:55 | julius | linuxstb, anyway, I will try to send this commands to my Ipod, lets see what happens, but before I can do that, where is the right place to send this commands using rockbox? |
| 00:02:58 | preglow | i wish i understood this gcc stuff |
| 00:03:24 | preglow | amiconn: i can't really see where the signed case would be useful |
| 00:03:31 | preglow | amiconn: ever seen a jump table with a negative jump? |
| 00:03:32 | amiconn | It saves an instructin |
| 00:03:38 | preglow | right |
| 00:04:26 | linuxstb | julius: There are three different writes - check the pcf50606 datasheet for the details of what they are doing. Basically, they enable the DCREG1, DCREG2 and DCREG3 to 3.0v, 3.3v and 3.0v respectively. So I'm guessing DCREG2 is the 3.3v power-out on the dock connector. |
| 00:05:08 | amiconn | But yea, I've never seen a jump table with negative offset in gcc's output. But check SH1 memcpy, there I do use such a table... |
| 00:05:27 | preglow | i like the fact that the sh backend is actually bigger than the m68k one |
| 00:05:31 | linuxstb | julius: Register 0x24 is DCREG1, 0x25 is DCREG2 and 0x26 is DCREG3 |
| 00:05:39 | preglow | perhaps it's due to all the other processor revs |
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| 00:06:48 | amiconn | preglow: The sh family is quite large. SH5 is even 64bit iirc |
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| 00:07:02 | preglow | yeah |
| 00:08:07 | goldschlager | does anyone in here has x5? i just have a Q |
| 00:08:22 | julius | linuxstb, aaa ok, I see now what you mean, I will try to send all the tree commands, just to be sure :) anyway, where should I add this commands? (I did a cygwin devel platform on my win box, so I can recompile rocbox, I already did for some changes for my theme, but anyway, is there a .c file which handles this things in rockbox source?) (ps Thanks for your greate help, I really apreciate it!!!) |
| 00:08:31 | linuxstb | julius: I'm not sure where this should be added into Rockbox. You could just add them to the end of i2c_init() in firmware/drivers/i2c-pp5020.c for testing. |
| 00:08:32 | Bagder | goldschlager: ask and you'll find out |
| 00:09:12 | goldschlager | ok.. so after i turn off my unit my screen goes dark green.. |
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| 00:09:22 | goldschlager | so my q is wtf? |
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| 00:09:53 | Bagder | and my a is: |
| 00:09:57 | linuxstb | julius: No problem. Please let us know if it solves your problem. |
| 00:10:04 | julius | linuxstb, thanks a lot again!, I cross my fingers :), I'm a bit late because it's 1am here, but I will get back to you with the result as I know more |
| 00:10:48 | goldschlager | no.. i asked on the forums someone told me its VGA controller chip.. |
| 00:11:07 | goldschlager | but can it be firmware? |
| 00:11:49 | Bagder | I don't even understand your first question |
| 00:12:39 | goldschlager | hm.. my question was whats the problem? |
| 00:12:53 | Bagder | and what exactly is the problem? |
| 00:13:43 | goldschlager | like after i turn of my x5 instead of black my screen goes dark green |
| 00:14:10 | goldschlager | and you can see vertical lines.. light green |
| 00:14:12 | Bagder | you mean it actually did turn green forever |
| 00:14:26 | goldschlager | no.. it works normally |
| 00:14:41 | goldschlager | but only when i turn it off |
| 00:14:51 | goldschlager | shis thing happens |
| 00:15:33 | goldschlager | *this |
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| 00:16:29 | julius | Thanks everyone for the greate support! Rockbox really rocks! :) so keep up the good work! I'm going to sleep now, by |
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| 00:18:57 | myth1 | hi again |
| 00:19:15 | myth1 | that mod bug bugged me so I couldn't get to bed ;) |
| 00:19:27 | Mikachu | sorry :) |
| 00:19:33 | myth1 | but i fixed it ;) |
| 00:19:34 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:19:36 | dwihno | Sleeping is just a waste of time anyhow :) |
| 00:19:39 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 00:20:20 | myth1 | it is interesting that "char" seems to be unsigned with gcc |
| 00:20:28 | Mikachu | i think it depends on target :) |
| 00:20:29 | myth1 | with visual studio it is signed |
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| 00:20:36 | Bagder | depends on target, yes |
| 00:20:38 | Mikachu | you can also say -fsigned-char |
| 00:20:39 | myth1 | ah |
| 00:20:49 | myth1 | well, that was the bug ;) |
| 00:20:56 | Bagder | ANSI C left it unspecified I believe |
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| 00:21:45 | Mikachu | myth1: which char? |
| 00:22:17 | myth1 | Mikachu: row |
| 00:22:28 | myth1 | I'm uploading a new diff |
| 00:22:54 | Mikachu | you seem to have specified most of the other ones |
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| 00:24:14 | klrspz | do you guys ever defrag your devices? I just defragged my ipod, wonder if it improves speed any? |
| 00:24:15 | myth1 | also remove the #ifdef USE_EFFECT_E |
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| 00:24:30 | Mikachu | i'll jsut wait for the diff |
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| 00:27:40 | midkay | any objections to resizing the EQ bar 'knobs'? a long time ago something was changed that made them much wider and i don't think it was intentional, or if it was, it's kind of ugly to see the bar slide past the end.. |
| 00:30:34 | myth1 | mmh, cvs diff takes ages |
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| 00:32:33 | myth1 | does cvs have some problems? |
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| 00:33:01 | webguest75 | can someone help me? |
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| 00:34:15 | webguest75 | can someone help me? |
| 00:34:16 | midkay | webguest75, without telling us your problem, no. |
| 00:35:37 | webguest75 | wen i try to install rockbox on my video ipod i get to step f after i complete it i try to test my ipod and nothing happens |
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| 00:36:10 | midkay | webguest75, 'nothing' happens? |
| 00:36:13 | webguest75 | rockboot.bin: No Such file or directory is what i recieve |
| 00:36:24 | midkay | then you skipped a step or typed it incorrectly. |
| 00:36:48 | webguest75 | wen i am supposed to see the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 00:36:58 | webguest75 | i double checked i ddnt |
| 00:37:31 | midkay | webguest75, there's no reason for it not to exist, if everything was typed correctly. |
| 00:37:48 | midkay | the commands create the file, you don't have the file, so you typed the commands wrong somehow. |
| 00:38:25 | webguest75 | what does You can now disconnect your ipod from your PC in the normal way. mean eject it from itunes? |
| 00:38:32 | myth1 | the new mod.c is online |
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| 00:38:52 | midkay | however you normally disconnect it, yes. |
| 00:40:45 | webguest75 | -rockbox.bin apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin apple_os.bin bootpartition.bin |
| 00:40:52 | webguest75 | those are the files it created |
| 00:40:56 | webguest75 | what am i missing |
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| 00:42:03 | midkay | what's "-rockbox.bin"? |
| 00:42:13 | webguest75 | dont know it made it |
| 00:42:33 | midkay | i don't think that's any step in the instructions. |
| 00:42:43 | webguest75 | k thx that was my mistake |
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| 00:44:05 | | Nick thesoffork is now known as thesonork (i=thesonor@evident-prime.de) |
| 00:45:28 | thesonork | so, i finally managed installing rockbox on my ipod, BUT it crashes after 1 second or something,... the bootloader appears, then rockbox itself appears, and then it reboots, time and time again.... why? |
| 00:45:50 | thesonork | no error-output or anything |
| 00:46:17 | midkay | thesonork, low battery possibly? |
| 00:46:39 | thesonork | says full battery in disk mode |
| 00:46:54 | midkay | hmm. |
| 00:47:02 | thesonork | on the rockbox-screen a USB logo appears, thats all i see |
| 00:47:18 | midkay | your build is recent? |
| 00:47:47 | thesonork | took that 1 |
| 00:47:49 | thesonork | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodmini2g/rockbox.zip |
| 00:48:20 | midkay | sure you have the right generation? |
| 00:48:44 | thesonork | well some1 told me, when the capacity is written on the back its 2nd gen |
| 00:49:40 | thesonork | think i shall try that 1st gen OS and bootloader? |
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| 00:49:53 | midkay | hm, i think the capacity on the back indicates 2G, yeah. |
| 00:50:23 | midkay | is the usb cable plugged in? you said you saw the USB logo.. |
| 00:50:35 | thesonork | the usblogo appears even if it is not |
| 00:50:39 | thesonork | i jsut tried that |
| 00:50:44 | thesonork | but when its plugged |
| 00:50:50 | thesonork | it automatically reboots to diskmode |
| 00:50:56 | midkay | hmm. |
| 00:51:03 | thesonork | does this mean "i have no songs" or something? |
| 00:51:12 | thesonork | cuz my ipod is new-formatted |
| 00:51:51 | midkay | no.. did you install rockbox entirely? that whole zip needs to end up on the player, with full paths.. there should be a rockbox.ipod file and a .rockbox folder.. |
| 00:52:05 | thesonork | right |
| 00:52:17 | thesonork | i just copied everything into /dev/sda2 |
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| 00:52:41 | * | midkay scratches chin |
| 00:52:57 | thesonork | hrhr |
| 00:52:59 | thesonork | same here |
| 00:53:11 | thesonork | soem strange stuff isnt it |
| 00:53:28 | midkay | sounds like it should be working, yeah. |
| 00:53:40 | thesonork | what about i try that daily build stuff? |
| 00:54:51 | midkay | what are you trying as it is? CVS build? |
| 00:54:59 | thesonork | ya |
| 00:55:13 | midkay | you could give it a try, no reason the cvs one shouldn't work though. |
| 00:55:52 | thesonork | same stuff |
| 00:56:15 | linuxstb | thesonork: one or two other people have reported similar problems with their 5g/video ipods - it seems that in a tiny number of cases (you are #3), Rockbox is mis-detecting USB, and always giving a false positive. |
| 00:56:17 | midkay | still doesn't work, you mean? |
| 00:56:51 | thesonork | ya thats ewhat i mean |
| 00:57:21 | thesonork | thats bad man |
| 00:57:28 | thesonork | im just using a damned mini ipod ^^ |
| 00:57:42 | thesonork | any patch available or any suggestions to do? |
| 00:58:06 | linuxstb | I could easily make a patch for you (to disable USB detection) if you were able to compile Rockbox yourself. |
| 00:58:19 | thesonork | using make ? |
| 00:58:21 | thesonork | >_> |
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| 00:58:35 | linuxstb | Are you running Linux? |
| 00:58:40 | thesonork | sure |
| 00:58:51 | midkay | i could compile it if you aren't set up to do it and if linuxstb doesn't want to.. just started VMware. :) |
| 00:59:18 | thesonork | that sounds great mates |
| 00:59:22 | linuxstb | Then it's almost as simple as just running make. You need to install a gcc cross-compiler. |
| 00:59:33 | thesonork | linuxstb, if u could do that patch, would be really glad |
| 00:59:55 | linuxstb | midkay: I don't have a clean source tree handy, so please go ahead and build it. |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:51 | midkay | linuxstb, sure. |
| 01:01:00 | linuxstb | Just edit the usb_detect() function in firmware/usb.c to always return false. |
| 01:01:16 | thesonork | buttt |
| 01:01:37 | thesonork | does that mean the usb-detection isnt working? so, how to apply songs and stuff? |
| 01:02:10 | linuxstb | If you want to enter USB mode, you just need to manually reboot - either into the Apple firmware, or into the emergency disk mode. All Rockbox does on USB detect is to reboot into the emergency disk mode anyway. |
| 01:02:30 | thesonork | alright |
| 01:02:32 | midkay | linuxstb, got it. by the way, not sure where it would go, but an ata_sleep before rebooting to disk mode for iPods would be nice. cutting power to the drive like that probably isn't very healthy. :) |
| 01:02:33 | linuxstb | (which is why you are getting the constant reboot cycles) |
| 01:03:19 | linuxstb | midkay: We should do a proper shutdown - saving settings etc. |
| 01:03:45 | midkay | linuxstb, even better.. should be very simple but i'm not sure where that's handled. |
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| 01:05:26 | linuxstb | No, I'm not sure either. |
| 01:05:48 | Presence | aah, THATS the difference between "disk modes" from apple's vs rockbox's: Rockbox's is the "emergency" disc mode. |
| 01:05:50 | Presence | hah. |
| 01:06:05 | linuxstb | That's what I call it anyway... But yes, there are two different disk modes. |
| 01:06:20 | midkay | Presence, yes, that's hilarious. :) |
| 01:06:20 | linuxstb | Both of them are "Apple's" though. |
| 01:06:35 | amiconn | Now, let's see what happens... |
| 01:07:04 | * | amiconn changed the jumptable mechanism a bit |
| 01:07:45 | midkay | thesonork, k, i have a version for you to try. can you PM me your e-mail? |
| 01:07:52 | thesonork | 4sure |
| 01:09:44 | thesonork | tell me when sent |
| 01:09:48 | thesonork | >_> |
| 01:10:13 | midkay | thesonork, did you try? i didn't get it. must be freenode blocking PMs from unidentified users... |
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| 01:10:53 | thesonork | thesonork@thesonork.de |
| 01:10:56 | thesonork | take it here |
| 01:11:14 | midkay | k :) |
| 01:11:43 | midkay | sent. |
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| 01:12:51 | thesonork | k ill have it a try |
| 01:12:53 | thesonork | brb |
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| 01:13:17 | midkay | k. |
| 01:14:02 | DarkJesus | Does anyone feel like talking about an audioscrobbler plugin? |
| 01:14:08 | DarkJesus | Is it possible or not? |
| 01:14:10 | thesonork | worked |
| 01:14:28 | DarkJesus | I heard the time would have to be recorded, which is impossible on a H120 |
| 01:15:00 | thesonork | im thanking u badly guys |
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| 01:17:03 | amiconn | midkay: If you're registered, you can allow pms from unregistered users |
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| 01:17:48 | Inc | time to re attempt rockbox |
| 01:17:57 | Inc | damn ipod fucked itself last time |
| 01:19:07 | dwihno | I haven't used the apple fw for music.. Is it good? ;) |
| 01:19:57 | midkay | amiconn, hm. |
| 01:20:22 | midkay | thesonork, cool ;) |
| 01:20:54 | thesonork | ok :) |
| 01:21:10 | thesonork | so now i can go to sleep and drive to work tmrw, with music ;) |
| 01:21:44 | midkay | yay :) |
| 01:22:57 | DarkJesus | Did anyone see my question? |
| 01:23:39 | midkay | DarkJesus, it's entirely possible, and two different attempts are being worked on, i believe. |
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| 01:34:58 | * | preglow does another request for files that break the resampler |
| 01:35:31 | preglow | i actually believe lostlogic fixed what glitches there were |
| 01:42:30 | DarkJesus | That's so cool |
| 01:42:37 | DarkJesus | I'd love that so much |
| 01:42:43 | DarkJesus | I'm gonna sleep now |
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| 01:45:49 | preglow | anyone opposed to me commiting toni's patches? |
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| 02:02:54 | preglow | lostlogic: playback seems pretty functional right now |
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| 02:07:45 | midkay | preglow, i'd be glad to see them in cvs :) |
| 02:08:07 | * | midkay yearns for the day at least EQ and hopefully crossfeed work well on iPods with MP3. |
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| 02:08:53 | biffhero | ok, am I an idiot? (don't answer that). I am using 'mv [a-z]*.mp3' , and it is moving the ones which start with [A-Z] too. ugh. |
| 02:09:19 | Mikachu | can you do [a-z] in a shell, i don't think so? |
| 02:09:28 | ze | yes, you can |
| 02:09:33 | midkay | biffhero, there must be some switch for case-sensitive.. |
| 02:09:35 | Mikachu | there i go |
| 02:09:47 | ze | midkay: nope |
| 02:09:57 | biffhero | midkay I was looking, don't find it in 'man', nor in 'info' |
| 02:09:58 | ze | the only way i can see that'd work is if the filesystem itself is case-insensitive |
| 02:10:09 | midkay | hmm. |
| 02:10:13 | Mikachu | incorrect |
| 02:10:24 | ze | like a window filesystem |
| 02:10:39 | biffhero | sigh. /dev/sda1 on /mnt/local/sdb1 type ext3 (rw) |
| 02:10:56 | ze | ok well that makes no sense |
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| 02:11:18 | ze | sure you didn't accidently put a space between [a-z] and *? :p |
| 02:11:24 | biffhero | so it seems like shell problems, eh? I bet it is something defined in /etc/bash_completion. That bugger is big. |
| 02:11:30 | ze | what if you echo [a-z]*.mp3 |
| 02:12:01 | ze | biffhero: thats for tab-completion.. if you're not hitting tab, it shouldn't be trigger |
| 02:12:04 | ze | ed |
| 02:12:07 | ze | heh |
| 02:12:08 | Mikachu | {2:11:53:/tmp/a}% echo [a-z]* |
| 02:12:08 | Mikachu | a b c |
| 02:12:08 | Mikachu | {2:11:57:/tmp/a}% echo [A-Z]* |
| 02:12:08 | Mikachu | A B C |
| 02:12:09 | Mikachu | {2:12:00:/tmp/a}% bash |
| 02:12:09 | biffhero | good call |
| 02:12:11 | Mikachu | mikaelh@fartmonstret /tmp/a $ echo [a-z]* |
| 02:12:13 | Mikachu | a A b B c C |
| 02:12:18 | Mikachu | not bash there is zsh |
| 02:12:34 | biffhero | boat_drinks.mp3 Boat Drinks.mp3 |
| 02:12:42 | Mikachu | so try zsh ;) |
| 02:12:47 | ze | at least i think so, i dunno that much about bash's newfangled stuff |
| 02:13:04 | ze | Mikachu: i've never had bash match case-insensitively |
| 02:13:31 | Mikachu | and that's with nocaseglob off |
| 02:13:33 | luckz | how does rockbox decide whether to assume that a m3u file is in UTF or not? |
| 02:13:46 | Mikachu | luckz: it doesn't |
| 02:14:19 | luckz | but? |
| 02:14:28 | Mikachu | but what? |
| 02:14:38 | luckz | does it always assume UTF? |
| 02:14:47 | Mikachu | i'm not sure you understand your question |
| 02:15:13 | luckz | okay. I have a m3u file created with foobar pointing at file names using umlauts. |
| 02:15:19 | luckz | rockbox cant play those. |
| 02:15:26 | luckz | at least not using that playlist. |
| 02:15:29 | luckz | 13:18:27 < preglow> luckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded |
| 02:15:55 | ze | er wtf |
| 02:16:01 | ze | biffhero: now my bash is doing like yours |
| 02:16:04 | Mikachu | maybe your player is mounted with another codepage in windows then |
| 02:16:18 | Mikachu | ze: [] seems to be special |
| 02:16:59 | biffhero | ze: there you go, I have cursed you. |
| 02:17:17 | biffhero | ze: the bash manpage seems long. working my way through it now. |
| 02:18:39 | Mikachu | biffhero: try {a..z}* |
| 02:18:46 | Mikachu | it will complain about no such file, but it should work anyway |
| 02:18:57 | ze | well i found the shell option 'nocaseglob' |
| 02:19:03 | ze | but unsetting it doesn't seem to help |
| 02:19:35 | ze | actually it seems to be off by default |
| 02:19:39 | ze | if it were on, that'd explain it |
| 02:19:45 | ze | but its not on here and yet my bash still does that |
| 02:20:09 | Mikachu | $ ls [a]* |
| 02:20:09 | Mikachu | a |
| 02:20:12 | Mikachu | $ ls [a-a]* |
| 02:20:12 | Mikachu | a |
| 02:20:14 | ze | it doesn't seem to be respecting it |
| 02:20:14 | Mikachu | $ ls [a-b]* |
| 02:20:14 | Mikachu | a A b |
| 02:20:19 | Mikachu | i think i have realized the issue |
| 02:20:33 | Mikachu | LC_ALL=C |
| 02:20:36 | Mikachu | $ ls [a-b]* |
| 02:20:36 | Mikachu | a b |
| 02:20:45 | Mikachu | it simply uses the locale collation order |
| 02:21:11 | Mikachu | in C, a-z comes before A-Z, but in english, it's aAbBcC... |
| 02:21:24 | Mikachu | biffhero: ^ |
| 02:21:32 | ze | ah damn locale crap |
| 02:21:49 | ze | LC_COLLATE seems like the more appropriate one, but i dunno |
| 02:21:52 | Mikachu | i don't feel matching should depend on locale |
| 02:21:58 | Mikachu | LC_ALL overrides everything |
| 02:22:02 | ze | and/or LC_CTYPE |
| 02:22:16 | ze | yeah maybe LC_ALL is best |
| 02:22:17 | ze | heh |
| 02:22:40 | Mikachu | you could also do [abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz]* |
| 02:22:44 | Mikachu | only takes 3 seconds to write |
| 02:22:58 | ze | and yeah i didn't think matching was locale-specific |
| 02:23:13 | ze | though i gotta say in my experience, A-Z always came before a-z |
| 02:23:13 | ze | heh |
| 02:23:16 | Mikachu | it's just the expansion of a-z that is locale-specific, in bash |
| 02:23:34 | Mikachu | the actual matching is not locale specific :) |
| 02:23:53 | biffhero | 'ls {a..z}*' was interesting, it gave me errors for everyone I didn't have. |
| 02:24:13 | ze | ah yes A-Z does come before a-z in LC_ALL=C |
| 02:24:13 | ze | heh |
| 02:24:15 | biffhero | my nocaseglob was the same as yours. |
| 02:24:44 | ze | heh what a bunch of crap |
| 02:24:45 | ze | :p |
| 02:25:08 | Mikachu | biffhero: {} is a generator, [] is a matcher |
| 02:25:23 | biffhero | Mikachu: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.... 3 seconds.... how lazy do you think I am? I will spend 30 minutes figuring it out, instead of 30 seconds doing the other 5 times. |
| 02:25:25 | ze | nocaseglob and locale-specific expansion/sorting both together seems screwy |
| 02:25:41 | Mikachu | biffhero: that was sort of a joke :) |
| 02:25:45 | ze | biffhero: indeed |
| 02:26:01 | biffhero | export LC_COLLATE=C did it |
| 02:26:08 | ze | i've many times spent an hour figuring out the 3 second way to do something that'd other wise take 10 seconds |
| 02:26:24 | ze | just on principle, its better to know those things |
| 02:26:31 | ze | especially if you need to do it several times in a row |
| 02:26:43 | ze | learning is less tedious than the manual methods |
| 02:26:46 | ze | even if it takes longer |
| 02:26:48 | Presence | makes yah more useful on IRC, too. |
| 02:27:17 | ze | and yeah the bash man page is like entering some underground labyrinth |
| 02:27:30 | biffhero | most GNU docs is that way |
| 02:27:39 | Mikachu | man zshall is fun |
| 02:27:56 | ze | it always feels like some uncertain excursion fraught with peril |
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| 02:28:17 | ze | and you always get the feeling you may get stuck down there for far longer than you intended |
| 02:28:20 | ze | :p |
| 02:29:06 | ze | maybe they oughtta do a nethack-like documentation system |
| 02:29:08 | biffhero | like when I play nethack |
| 02:29:13 | ze | :p |
| 02:29:30 | ze | you might find the information you're actually looking for easier |
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| 02:31:00 | Mikachu | screen has options for nethack style messages |
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| 02:36:11 | Hotfusion | man I love the item duplication in oblivion |
| 02:36:32 | Hotfusion | OT but I gots money |
| 02:36:32 | Mikachu | slightly offtopic? |
| 02:36:34 | Mikachu | :) |
| 02:37:01 | Hotfusion | I think when I get paid on my next pay day I'll get new head phones |
| 02:37:04 | sharpe | slightly, just slightly. |
| 02:37:18 | Hotfusion | the default X5L ones clip at volume 21 default iaudio firm |
| 02:37:34 | Presence | yikes, some of the more "active" WPS's really suck the battery down, huh? |
| 02:37:35 | Mikachu | your mind is like a blender |
| 02:38:11 | Hotfusion | though I do like the hanging phones from audio technica |
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| 02:39:42 | tf4 | can someone assist me with a itunes alternative for my new rockbox ipod |
| 02:39:57 | tf4 | i need something that can sync my music folder when i plug in my ipod |
| 02:40:06 | sharpe | windows? |
| 02:40:07 | tf4 | i dont want to have to drag and drop everything |
| 02:40:09 | tf4 | yeah |
| 02:40:16 | sharpe | google for SyncToy. heheh. |
| 02:40:21 | Mikachu | wow, i never thought i'd see the day when someone was too lazy to drag and drop |
| 02:40:22 | sharpe | tis by microsoft. |
| 02:40:28 | tf4 | haha |
| 02:40:35 | tf4 | i want to have it on my puter first |
| 02:40:41 | tf4 | then sync to pod when i plug it in |
| 02:40:44 | tf4 | like itunes does |
| 02:40:59 | tf4 | i sync podcasts all day long and sync before i go to work in the morning |
| 02:41:12 | sharpe | yeah, synctoy will do that i believe |
| 02:41:12 | Mikachu | maybe you could change your name to Mr Sync |
| 02:41:31 | tf4 | k |
| 02:41:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mediamonkey? |
| 02:41:37 | | Nick tf4 is now known as mrsync (n=bjones@bainbrdg-cuda1-69-160-219-238.clvdoh.adelphia.net) |
| 02:41:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doesn't that do syncing with UMS devices? |
| 02:41:58 | mrsync | can it aggregate my podcasts too? |
| 02:42:25 | preglow | gnight |
| 02:42:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably. I couldn't say for sure though, I've never used it. |
| 02:42:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's supposed to be pretty powerful |
| 02:43:05 | sharpe | i've never used any syncronization software... |
| 02:43:07 | mrsync | does it have spyware? the websit looks a little iffy |
| 02:43:24 | Mikachu | haha |
| 02:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been recommended by a *lot* of people. |
| 02:43:28 | mrsync | k |
| 02:43:53 | mrsync | that monkey looks like the 'punch the monkey' fucking banner so i was a little nervous |
| 02:43:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just don't really like automation. |
| 02:43:58 | Hotfusion | for TD3-Tagit has a better tagging interface than media monkey IMO |
| 02:44:15 | TeaSea | I like amarok! |
| 02:44:37 | mrsync | i wanna use it for converting all my cds to flac then syncing to my pod |
| 02:45:44 | mrsync | does amarok work with album art through rockbox? |
| 02:46:06 | TeaSea | mrsync: ? |
| 02:46:32 | mrsync | hmmm well i cannot get my rockbox firmware to show my album art |
| 02:46:45 | mrsync | but i see album art on amorok |
| 02:46:46 | TeaSea | There's a plugin for amarok which will generate cover.bmps for all the albums in your collection, but that's about it. |
| 02:46:53 | mrsync | ahh |
| 02:46:58 | TeaSea | mrsync: Ah. Album art hasn't been implemented except via a patch. |
| 02:47:06 | TeaSea | Wait until rockbox 3.1, that'll have much better support. |
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| 02:47:14 | mrsync | i think the dudes who wrote rockbox should make a itunes replacent as well |
| 02:47:20 | mrsync | they did such a good job on the fw |
| 02:47:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think they should keep making Rockbox better. |
| 02:47:37 | TeaSea | I think so also! |
| 02:47:46 | TeaSea | There's far too many itunes replacements out there anyway. |
| 02:47:48 | mrsync | im still getting used to it |
| 02:47:56 | mrsync | i was trying to shut it off today lol |
| 02:47:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially since I don't think *any* of them like to use their devices in a non UMS way anyway |
| 02:48:05 | mrsync | i spend like 3 min trying to find out how to shut off my ipod |
| 02:48:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's in the FAQ |
| 02:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the Manual. |
| 02:48:13 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 02:48:19 | mrsync | i dont RTFM |
| 02:48:24 | Hotfusion | yeah mp3 player manuals don't seem to be the best |
| 02:48:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: Not the iPod manual. The Rockbox manual. |
| 02:48:40 | mrsync | things should be user intuitive enough to just press shit lol |
| 02:48:57 | Hotfusion | rockbox manual is much better than most manuals |
| 02:48:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, well the iPod doesn't have a button labelled 'power' |
| 02:49:00 | mrsync | i figured it out... so it must be ok |
| 02:49:18 | mrsync | i like how you pause and the sound fades |
| 02:49:21 | mrsync | there some nice touches |
| 02:49:30 | Mikachu | mrsync: it took you 3 minutes to find out it's the same button as in the apple firmware? |
| 02:49:36 | Hotfusion | you'd think apple would print power on it. lol. |
| 02:49:44 | mrsync | i just am having a hard time when i dont see 'artists' 'albums' videos' etc |
| 02:49:49 | Mikachu | Hotfusion: thye should print Power on the play button? |
| 02:50:00 | Mikachu | mrsync: maybe you should read the manual after all |
| 02:50:02 | mrsync | menu shuts off the ipod video |
| 02:50:04 | mrsync | iff you hold it |
| 02:50:12 | mrsync | on the rockbox its the play |
| 02:50:20 | Hotfusion | don't mind me mik, im just mouthin' off |
| 02:50:21 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 02:50:23 | mrsync | they changed that in the 5g's |
| 02:51:11 | mrsync | how do you guys have your stuff arranged im curious? do you listen to podcasts a lot |
| 02:51:15 | Hotfusion | I need to see if my player has a dual boot option for rockbox and iaudio x5 firm |
| 02:51:21 | mrsync | do you use a sep synching tool for podcasts |
| 02:51:40 | Mikachu | i have a nano so i don't "sync" |
| 02:54:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hotfusion: I don't believe the iAudios dual boot yet. |
| 02:54:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't do podcasts. |
| 02:54:52 | mrsync | i love them. thats all i listen to i dont believe in radio anymore |
| 02:55:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | My DAP is full of music. If I want information of any sort, well, the internet is a big place. |
| 02:55:21 | Hotfusion | shoutcast radio for me |
| 02:55:22 | Hotfusion | lol |
| 02:55:43 | mrsync | i have a 1 hour drive in to work int he morning, watching a video podcast makes it go liek 10 min in my head ;) |
| 02:56:55 | mrsync | does rockbox support video? |
| 02:57:00 | mrsync | i havent tried it yet |
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| 02:57:13 | sharpe | nope. |
| 02:57:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 02:57:19 | mrsync | ahh |
| 02:57:27 | mrsync | well thats geh |
| 02:57:29 | sharpe | wait, |
| 02:57:39 | sharpe | you drive for an hour, while watching your ipod? |
| 02:57:44 | mrsync | yeah |
| 02:57:53 | sharpe | that's not safe. |
| 02:57:53 | mrsync | well the shit i watch is dudes in roundtable discussion |
| 02:57:58 | mrsync | its not like i WATCH it |
| 02:58:02 | biffhero | mrsync: where do you drive? :-) |
| 02:58:03 | mrsync | i glance at it once in a while |
| 02:58:08 | mrsync | cleveland oh |
| 02:58:14 | biffhero | ok, then I am safe |
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| 02:58:21 | mrsync | where were filming spiderman III baby! |
| 02:58:22 | Hotfusion | until you go off the road and go "oh shit" and carefully drive it onto the road again |
| 02:58:35 | mrsync | haha i havent done that yet (knocks on wood) |
| 02:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is intended as an audio player anyway. While video support would probably be added if someone made it, it's not exactly a core concern. |
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| 03:01:14 | biffhero | rockbox should get in with openfi, and subsume that project |
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| 03:02:24 | TeaSea | Hey guys |
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| 03:02:38 | TeaSea | Is there any way to get rockbox to charge over USB? |
| 03:03:22 | InteliWasp | i keep getting a "Data abort at 00046FC0" on my ipod 4G, is there a workaround? |
| 03:03:24 | biffhero | My 5G ipod does that. |
| 03:03:33 | v3l0ct | Hi, i'm trying to install into a 1G 4gig mini but when I try to run ipod_fw it tells me "bash: ipod_fw: command not found" |
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| 03:03:47 | biffhero | TeaSea: my 5G ipod charges over USB, I thought it was a function of the firmware. |
| 03:03:56 | lostlogic | preglow: that's good, since I'll be completely computerless for the 4 days starting tomorrow at around midnight your time :) |
| 03:04:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | InteliWasp: Under what circumstances does that happen? |
| 03:04:30 | biffhero | lostlogic: say it ain't so, work will slow to a halt. |
| 03:04:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | v3l0ct: Well then you probably don't have the ipod_fw binary in the folder you're in. |
| 03:04:45 | v3l0ct | it is there |
| 03:04:58 | InteliWasp | Paul_The_Nerd: when i am playing music, either .mp3 or .flac codexes |
| 03:05:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | v3l0ct: You compiled ipod_fw.c from the tools folder? |
| 03:05:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | InteliWasp: With what build of rockbox? |
| 03:05:13 | lostlogic | biffhero: pfft, there are 30 other devs who could also pick up on the playback engine (I'd pray for them to do so if I was a religious man) |
| 03:05:29 | biffhero | v3l0ct: are you running ./ipod_fw ? |
| 03:05:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | TeaSea: The main problem isn't that it doesn't charge, but that it seems to draw more power than *some* USB controllers want to give it for some reason. For example, my Nano charges perfectly fine. |
| 03:05:52 | v3l0ct | Paul_The_Nerd, I created a folder named rockbox in my desktop (using linux) and copies ipod_fw.c and the two addition files |
| 03:06:01 | v3l0ct | biffhero, no |
| 03:06:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | v3l0ct: And then you compiled them? |
| 03:06:14 | TeaSea | Paul_The_Nerd: mm |
| 03:06:20 | v3l0ct | kaiwai, one sec |
| 03:06:27 | biffhero | v3l0ct: it isn't a path problem? |
| 03:06:40 | TeaSea | Cheers anyway |
| 03:06:42 | TeaSea | And now, BED! :) |
| 03:06:43 | InteliWasp | 20060421 |
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| 03:07:11 | v3l0ct | biffhero, i forgot the ./ in front of ipod_fw. it ran now |
| 03:07:21 | biffhero | cool! |
| 03:07:31 | InteliWasp | Paul_The_Nerd: i am using the 4g daily 20060421 |
| 03:07:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | InteliWasp: It would be appreciated if you'd confirm the problems exist with a clean install of the most recent build before reporting them. :) |
| 03:07:59 | InteliWasp | do i just overwrite the old build? |
| 03:09:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the normal upgrade process, but for the purpose of bug reporting, it'd be much appreciated if you installed it completely cleanly (delete the old rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folders, and reset settings while booting for the first time) to make sure that it's a clean test. You may want to back up your /themes and /wps folders, as well as any files that don't have the extension .rock in the /rocks folder |
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| 03:09:54 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: where are the settings set, so that you need to reset them? If deleting rockbox.ipod and ./.rockbox/ aren't enough? |
| 03:10:05 | v3l0ct | biffhero, thanks :). bootloader installer |
| 03:10:09 | v3l0ct | installed |
| 03:10:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: The settings are stored in sector 63 on the disk. Settings are reset on iPod by flipping the hold switch to on immediately after powering it up (before the bootloader finishes) |
| 03:10:41 | lostlogic | 61 |
| 03:10:49 | biffhero | daaaannnngggg..... |
| 03:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | 61? |
| 03:11:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I swear someone said 63 yesterday |
| 03:11:15 | lostlogic | mm, the lesser of 62 and start-of-first-partition - 2 |
| 03:11:22 | lostlogic | first partition usually starts at 63 |
| 03:11:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 03:11:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 61 then |
| 03:11:37 | lostlogic | I might have that 'lesser' number wrong, it might be 63 or 61 |
| 03:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, you reset it like that on iPod. |
| 03:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the iRivers it's the Record button being held down |
| 03:12:05 | InteliWasp | ah so that's why my settings sometimes don't hold :P |
| 03:12:16 | biffhero | ha! |
| 03:13:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, *most* cases of settings not holding are people plugging in USB without shutting down properly first. |
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| 03:14:49 | biffhero | settings are only saved on a "shutdown"?? ugh. |
| 03:15:12 | Mikachu | they are saved on disk spinup too |
| 03:15:18 | biffhero | that's cool |
| 03:15:26 | Mikachu | but that never happens on nano it seems |
| 03:15:31 | biffhero | funny that |
| 03:16:25 | v3l0ct | new question, how do i mount the ipod once i'm ready to install rockbox |
| 03:16:37 | biffhero | plug it in, "mount /dev/sda2" |
| 03:16:45 | biffhero | v3l0ct: on linux? |
| 03:17:01 | v3l0ct | biffhero, yep. it asks for filesystem |
| 03:17:12 | biffhero | v3l0ct: after you plug it in, wait 5 seconds for USB to settle down, run 'dmesg' |
| 03:17:15 | v3l0ct | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 03:17:21 | biffhero | plugging mine in now. |
| 03:18:23 | biffhero | run this: dmesg | grep -i SCSI | tail -1 |
| 03:18:29 | v3l0ct | k |
| 03:19:06 | v3l0ct | sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdc |
| 03:19:11 | biffhero | ok... |
| 03:19:26 | biffhero | v3l0ct: run this: fdisk -l /dev/sdc | grep -i FAT32 |
| 03:19:54 | biffhero | v3l0ct: we do that to make sure that you have a FAT32 filesystem on that bad boy |
| 03:20:26 | v3l0ct | /dev/sdc2 * 6 497 3951990 b W95 FAT32 |
| 03:20:29 | v3l0ct | yep |
| 03:20:43 | biffhero | v3l0ct: mount /dev/sdc2 |
| 03:20:56 | v3l0ct | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 03:21:05 | v3l0ct | i have auto in fstab |
| 03:21:09 | biffhero | v3l0ct: mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 |
| 03:22:37 | biffhero | v3l0ct: my fstab has /dev/sdb2 /media/ipod auto rw,users,noauto,sync 0 0 |
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| 03:23:35 | v3l0ct | k |
| 03:24:08 | v3l0ct | i can't tell if it's mounting, i get a whole lot of text about usage of mount |
| 03:24:26 | biffhero | mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 gave you a bunch of messages? |
| 03:24:31 | biffhero | wait one |
| 03:25:02 | v3l0ct | k |
| 03:26:43 | biffhero | I get 'only root can do that' because I am specifying '-t vfat' but as root..... ok, bunch of errors. When you do that, you have to give it a mountpoint, it looks like mount doesn't look at the fstab file there. mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /media/ipod/ worked for me as root. but I usually do it as a user... mount /dev/sda2 and the fstab entry from before takes care of the rest. |
| 03:27:20 | v3l0ct | k |
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| 03:27:51 | v3l0ct | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc2, |
| 03:27:51 | v3l0ct | missing codepage or other error |
| 03:27:51 | v3l0ct | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try |
| 03:27:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK v3l0ct |
| 03:27:51 | v3l0ct | dmesg | tail or so |
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| 03:28:21 | v3l0ct | did i hose the ipod? |
| 03:28:25 | biffhero | v3l0ct: you used mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 /mount/point ? |
| 03:28:30 | v3l0ct | yep |
| 03:28:40 | Inc | Yeah you hosed it |
| 03:28:45 | v3l0ct | mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 /mnt/ipod |
| 03:28:49 | Mikachu | v3l0ct: grep vfat /proc/filesystems |
| 03:29:04 | biffhero | Mikachu: good call |
| 03:29:08 | v3l0ct | vfat |
| 03:29:27 | Mikachu | no luck |
| 03:29:47 | biffhero | v3l0ct: dmesg | grep sdc | tail -5 |
| 03:30:30 | v3l0ct | sdc: Mode Sense: 64 00 00 08 |
| 03:30:30 | v3l0ct | sdc: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 03:30:30 | v3l0ct | sdc: sdc1 sdc2 |
| 03:30:30 | v3l0ct | sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdc |
| 03:30:31 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 03:30:31 | v3l0ct | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc2. |
| 03:30:44 | v3l0ct | sorry for all the multiple line posting |
| 03:31:15 | Mikachu | v3l0ct: are you sure it's a windows ipod? |
| 03:31:32 | v3l0ct | Ipod was used on a windows machine but i bought it as a refurbished unit from Apple |
| 03:31:39 | biffhero | v3l0ct: you got me. your fdisk output shows /dev/sdc2 * 6 497 3951990 b W95 FAT32 |
| 03:31:42 | v3l0ct | maybe that's the issue |
| 03:32:02 | v3l0ct | biffhero, i know |
| 03:32:02 | Mikachu | ah, you already checked that, sorry |
| 03:32:12 | Mikachu | maybe they are crazy and have it as hfs+ anyway |
| 03:32:26 | biffhero | yeah, maybe that's the issue. maybe even though the partition table lists it as a vfat, the ipod software makes no difference, and mounts both ways. can he mount hfs+ under linux? |
| 03:32:31 | v3l0ct | i did get some HFS+ when i did the original dmesg |
| 03:33:03 | Mikachu | if you boot apple firmware, does it say windows or mac? |
| 03:33:23 | v3l0ct | From dmesg: hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock |
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| 03:34:06 | v3l0ct | doesn't say either, just ipod mini |
| 03:34:21 | v3l0ct | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdc2) |
| 03:34:22 | v3l0ct | fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 03:34:22 | v3l0ct | File system has been set read-only |
| 03:34:22 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 03:34:22 | v3l0ct | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdc2) |
| 03:34:22 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 03:34:22 | v3l0ct | fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 03:34:28 | v3l0ct | got those from dmesg too |
| 03:34:55 | Mikachu | heh WTF |
| 03:34:55 | biffhero | I bet it tried to automount it on USB insertion, and it failed |
| 03:34:58 | Mikachu | i booted apple firmware |
| 03:35:02 | Mikachu | About > |
| 03:35:04 | Mikachu | the title says |
| 03:35:07 | Mikachu | ORGASMODMOD |
| 03:35:10 | Mikachu | that's pretty awesome |
| 03:35:26 | Mikachu | anyway, check Format at the bottom of that page |
| 03:35:32 | v3l0ct | unknown |
| 03:35:49 | v3l0ct | version is 1.3 |
| 03:36:00 | biffhero | yep, someone else touched your ipod. even had ORGASM with it. |
| 03:36:43 | v3l0ct | when i plugged the usb cable it didn't mount, that's correct |
| 03:37:24 | biffhero | v3l0ct: how much do you love your current data? got room to back it up? |
| 03:37:34 | v3l0ct | on the ipod? |
| 03:37:38 | biffhero | yes |
| 03:37:41 | v3l0ct | all gone |
| 03:37:49 | v3l0ct | it's ok, i have it all on cd |
| 03:37:53 | biffhero | have a windows machine? |
| 03:37:59 | v3l0ct | i dual boot |
| 03:38:16 | v3l0ct | well my wife uses the windows partition |
| 03:38:25 | biffhero | the ipod folx have a 'convert to windows ipod' thing, iirc |
| 03:40:13 | v3l0ct | yeah they have something called 'ipod updater' i think |
| 03:41:12 | biffhero | update to windows ipod |
| 03:41:50 | v3l0ct | ok. bbl. thanks for the help biffhero and Mikachu. |
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| 05:45:32 | midkay | JdGordon? |
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| 05:55:53 | Oetar | ... I might be an idiot, but I need to ask: |
| 05:56:11 | Oetar | How do I download plugins on the rockbox site? |
| 05:56:29 | Oetar | I see fancy pages with plugin info, and they look so tasty, but I can't find a link. :( |
| 05:56:50 | scott666 | care to cite an example? |
| 05:57:04 | Oetar | PluginBobbles, at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBubbles |
| 05:57:29 | scott666 | have you looked in /.rockbox/rocks/? |
| 05:57:44 | scott666 | or Browse Plugins on your player? |
| 05:57:47 | Oetar | Oh. |
| 05:57:57 | Oetar | So they all come pre-loaded? I feel really, really dumb now. :) |
| 05:58:03 | Oetar | Cool, thanks :) |
| 05:58:08 | scott666 | :-) |
| 05:58:19 | scott666 | i was playing bubbles today at wotk, its pretty cool |
| 05:58:53 | Oetar | yeah, it looks cool. |
| 05:59:00 | scott666 | im sure ive played it somewhere else, but im not sure where |
| 05:59:10 | scott666 | i think it was in an arcade like 10 years ago |
| 05:59:11 | scott666 | heh |
| 05:59:17 | Oetar | Heh. I've certainly /never/ played it there :) |
| 05:59:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 05:59:57 | * | Oetar wanders off to try out his new rockbox install... |
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| 06:08:56 | piroko | :O |
| 06:09:09 | piroko | ipod... has been running... for an hour and 44 minutes... |
| 06:09:29 | * | piroko is... happy |
| 06:09:33 | scott666 | i think thats a new world record |
| 06:09:35 | scott666 | ... |
| 06:10:00 | piroko | scott666: the 4g ipod used to lock up after 71 minutes |
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| 06:11:04 | scott666 | really? that sucks |
| 06:11:12 | piroko | not anymore! It's fixed! |
| 06:11:44 | scott666 | oh |
| 06:11:45 | scott666 | sweet |
| 06:14:21 | piroko | where's lostlogic and linuxstb? |
| 06:14:36 | piroko | and amiconn? |
| 06:14:51 | scott666 | hiding? |
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| 06:15:15 | kehoe | hey |
| 06:15:21 | piroko | hi |
| 06:15:21 | scott666 | whats up |
| 06:15:37 | kehoe | i just recently installed rockbox and so far im loving it |
| 06:15:53 | scott666 | what player? |
| 06:15:59 | kehoe | is there any more featrues about the playlist other than like insert and queue that r unique to it |
| 06:16:04 | kehoe | ipodcolor |
| 06:17:08 | piroko | that's not a question for me, unfortunately. have you checked the manual? |
| 06:17:40 | kehoe | i looked through it but it was massive, i can look again, thanks for the help though |
| 06:17:55 | piroko | i'll look with you |
| 06:18:13 | kehoe | thank u but u dont need to |
| 06:18:20 | piroko | i know |
| 06:18:27 | kehoe | i was just wondering if u knew off the top of ur head |
| 06:18:33 | piroko | i have nothing better to do, really :P |
| 06:18:36 | kehoe | hah |
| 06:18:38 | piroko | i'm curious myself |
| 06:18:55 | kehoe | ok |
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| 06:31:16 | piroko | hi amiconn |
| 06:31:35 | piroko | or maybe that was automatic... |
| 06:31:55 | piroko | ah well whoever fixed the 4g ipod THANKS A BUNCH!!! goodnight |
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| 06:32:54 | Dyne | What was wrong with it? |
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| 06:34:03 | scott666 | apparentlly it crashed after 71 minutes |
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| 06:40:50 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu? |
| 06:41:46 | dj-fu | miiiikaaaa chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 06:41:49 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 06:42:00 | Jungti1234 | what's meaning of 'Release i slutet av maj 2006'? |
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| 06:42:52 | dj-fu | something about may 2006 |
| 06:42:55 | dj-fu | I don't understand the language, though. |
| 06:43:22 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 06:43:40 | dj-fu | release is planned for may 2006, possibly? |
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| 06:44:29 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 06:45:05 | Jungti1234 | ok thanks dj-fu |
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| 06:56:20 | ravon | oooo, new mod patch. That will please that french guy. |
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| 07:05:26 | Presence | lamer question: I have a dynamic playlist going, but I want it cleared and start fresh, skipping or dumping any tunes left in the previous list that hadn't played. |
| 07:06:17 | Presence | right now, I manage playlist -> view playlist -> delete the song I'm listening to from the list and *somewhere magic has happened* and the playlist borks and is empty, and I rejoice and start adding new songs. |
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| 07:13:24 | Oetar | Wow. Rocbox is so totally cool! |
| 07:13:29 | Oetar | *rockbox |
| 07:13:41 | scott666 | yes. yes it is. |
| 07:14:20 | Oetar | It would be even cooler, though, if it could get rid of my ant infestation. |
| 07:14:20 | dj-fu | certainly is |
| 07:14:26 | Oetar | I have ants on my desk. |
| 07:14:32 | dj-fu | pwned |
| 07:14:50 | ravon | Oetar: I can't promise anything, but I can try to write a plugin for it. |
| 07:15:15 | scott666 | Oetar: theres actually a plugin that emits the frequency that causes ants to roll over dead |
| 07:15:46 | ravon | lol |
| 07:15:51 | dj-fu | oh, I saw that one. |
| 07:15:53 | dj-fu | neat stuff ; |
| 07:16:11 | scott666 | I wouldn't use it with your dog in the room though.. |
| 07:18:02 | scott666 | I'm not sure why, but I really like stating misinformation as fact. |
| 07:19:00 | scott666 | For example: Did you know that dogs can't look up? |
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| 07:19:15 | dj-fu | REALLY? |
| 07:19:24 | dj-fu | Addicted to sarcasm, perhaps scott666 ? |
| 07:19:36 | scott666 | think about it. have you EVER seen a dog look up? |
| 07:19:37 | dj-fu | It is known that computer-types tend to become addicted to such things as sarcasm |
| 07:19:40 | scott666 | I havnt |
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| 07:19:51 | dj-fu | I certainly have. My fiance's dog looks up all the time |
| 07:20:55 | scott666 | that's just hearsay |
| 07:21:01 | scott666 | doesnt prove anything |
| 07:21:03 | scott666 | :-p |
| 07:21:27 | dj-fu | lol :D |
| 07:21:37 | scorche | my dog looks up at me all the time |
| 07:22:06 | scott666 | i take it no one present has seen Shawn of the Dead |
| 07:22:16 | scorche | i have :) |
| 07:22:56 | scott666 | 'yeah, well Big Eddy also says dogs can't look up' 'THEY CAN'T!' |
| 07:23:02 | scott666 | heh |
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| 08:21:01 | midkay | JdGordon. :( |
| 08:21:13 | JdGordon | why the sad face? |
| 08:22:32 | midkay | you wanted me earlier? |
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| 08:23:27 | JdGordon | did u end up looking at the viewer patch? |
| 08:27:00 | midkay | JdGordon, yeah, i'm quite sure i'll have it in before 3.0, i've just been kind of staying away from it because i'm worried about having to deal with the saving/loading of settings :) (not specific to your patch) |
| 08:27:13 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 08:29:04 | amiconn | m0rning |
| 08:29:33 | JdGordon | morning |
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| 08:35:28 | RoC_MM | any Nano Rockbox users in? |
| 08:36:06 | Galois | me |
| 08:36:10 | RoC_MM | How is it? |
| 08:36:23 | RoC_MM | And what is the most recent build that is completely stable for you? |
| 08:37:41 | RoC_MM | (going to install on friend's Nano, and need to have most stable rockbox build to provide) |
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| 08:38:57 | Galois | huh? the current cvs seems pretty decent. |
| 08:39:10 | Galois | I haven't tried any fancy features like voice menus or fast forward yet :) |
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| 08:39:54 | RoC_MM | fast forward is quite needed |
| 08:40:55 | RoC_MM | I've tried a couple April builds on my 4G, but usually these have bugs, or at least they did until the 15th when I stopped trying them...I'm currently running a March 30 build....do you remember how stable the end of March builds were? |
| 08:41:01 | Galois | well I just fast forwarded/rewinded an ogg file without trouble |
| 08:41:36 | Galois | voice menu users swear by the march 23 build, iirc |
| 08:41:43 | RoC_MM | Any rough edges on the standard play/seek/bookmark/crossfade/browse sort of operations? |
| 08:42:01 | RoC_MM | OK. |
| 08:42:09 | Galois | ug you want me to test bookmark/crossfade??? |
| 08:42:29 | RoC_MM | Bookmark not important |
| 08:42:40 | RoC_MM | It would be helpful to know if crossfade works |
| 08:42:44 | RoC_MM | and what your build ID is |
| 08:43:07 | Galois | the bookmark looks broken |
| 08:43:19 | RoC_MM | Since Rockbox hasn't been released for the iPod target yet, I'm trying to find a "known good" build. |
| 08:43:21 | Galois | if you select a bookmark it starts from the beginning of the file |
| 08:44:50 | Galois | hm I just crashed it by selecting a song with crossfade on |
| 08:45:01 | Galois | well, crashed the UI at least, the music is still playing |
| 08:45:39 | Galois | the last known good daily for me was april 6, I think |
| 08:45:59 | RoC_MM | How certain? |
| 08:46:11 | RoC_MM | Thanks for the help :-) |
| 08:46:25 | Galois | I'm completely certain of the date, I'm not certain how good the build is :P |
| 08:46:35 | Galois | because I normally don't use crossfade, or voice menus, or even seeking |
| 08:47:50 | RoC_MM | I suppose a end of March build might work if APril 6 does not... it was right before the freeze and code churn |
| 08:48:11 | Galois | I thought a freeze was supposed to prevent code churn? |
| 08:48:23 | RoC_MM | Doesn't look like it from here. |
| 08:48:35 | RoC_MM | but yes |
| 08:49:19 | linuxstb | Looks like Samsung have won the iPod CPU contract from Apple: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=186701236 |
| 08:49:41 | linuxstb | So at least they are sticking with ARMs. |
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| 08:51:13 | Galois | you're sure samsung only makes arms? |
| 08:51:31 | linuxstb | No, but the news articles say that it will be ARM based. |
| 08:52:15 | linuxstb | "Samsung?s chip is based on 32-bit processor technology from ARM Holdings plc." |
| 08:52:53 | Galois | sounds good |
| 08:56:56 | nudel | weird thing is i think samsung also licence sigmatel chips |
| 08:57:29 | nudel | ah the article says that :) |
| 08:57:45 | Galois | rumours are just that. |
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| 09:03:50 | linuxstb | Interesting side-effect of the distributed build system that someone mentioned on the forums - builds are now made in random time zones, so the file timestamps and the version info depends on the build server... |
| 09:04:18 | linuxstb | Maybe an "export TZ=Europe/Stockholm" in the build scripts could be useful. |
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| 09:06:05 | JdGordon | meh.. does it really matter? |
| 09:06:31 | linuxstb | It's obviously not a huge problem, but if it can be fixed easily, then why not? |
| 09:07:00 | JdGordon | would that change the timezone just for hte script?? coz if not it would be painful |
| 09:07:04 | linuxstb | At least the date/time in the version info is useful when people report bugs. |
| 09:07:16 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, it just sets the timezone for that script. |
| 09:07:25 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 09:10:30 | Presence | the builds that are compiled in the future are SO MUCH BETTARS! |
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| 09:25:15 | B4gder | the forums certainly are getting busy these days |
| 09:26:11 | * | amiconn is getting closer to what actually goes wrong in sh-elf-gcc jumptable generation... |
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| 09:27:21 | B4gder | 188 posts/day in average during April |
| 09:27:28 | B4gder | 110/day in March |
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| 09:27:46 | B4gder | 95/day in Feb |
| 09:28:55 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you see linuxstb's findings regarding distributed builds & timestamps? |
| 09:29:10 | B4gder | I replied to it just now in the forum |
| 09:29:26 | B4gder | that timestamp is the one displayed within Rockbox, isn |
| 09:29:30 | B4gder | 't it? |
| 09:29:58 | B4gder | slightly amusing I think ;-) |
| 09:31:00 | amiconn | It is |
| 09:31:14 | B4gder | we need to switch to UTC time |
| 09:31:22 | amiconn | (and also the timestamps of the files) |
| 09:31:57 | amiconn | Either UTC, or a suggested by linuxstb, Europe/Stockholm |
| 09:32:16 | B4gder | I think using Europe/Stockholm is a lot trickier |
| 09:32:33 | amiconn | why? |
| 09:32:35 | B4gder | and possibly more confusing to users |
| 09:32:40 | linuxstb | B4gder: Isn't it as simple as "export TZ=Europe/Stockholm" ? |
| 09:32:41 | amiconn | Check the log starting 09:05 |
| 09:33:07 | B4gder | right not trickier really, as you can just pass on the timezone in the time string |
| 09:34:14 | linuxstb | The website seems to use GMT for timestamps, so the build system should probably do the same. |
| 09:34:30 | B4gder | we try to use GMT all over |
| 09:34:42 | B4gder | in the CVS build table too etc |
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| 09:45:21 | JdGordon | everyone have a nice trip? |
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| 09:45:56 | scorche | i didnt go anywhere |
| 09:46:22 | wehn | what was that? |
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| 09:46:47 | scorche | wehn: ah....a new-type-person to irc i see |
| 09:46:56 | scorche | that is something we like to call a "netsplit" |
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| 09:47:19 | wehn | i've seen it a few times, don't know what causes it. transer to new server? |
| 09:47:25 | B4gder | I call it banana split |
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| 09:47:37 | JdGordon | some1 over at the freenode server rooms tripped over a cable and nocked off a server or 3 :D |
| 09:47:44 | B4gder | wehn: no, disconnected servers |
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| 09:48:20 | wehn | ah. happens awefully regularly. |
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| 09:48:30 | scorche | wehn: basically, a node is disconnected |
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| 09:48:54 | scorche | B4gder: node!...not servers i say! |
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| 09:49:38 | B4gder | the thing, different name |
| 09:49:40 | B4gder | same thing |
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| 09:50:00 | scorche | well, i have to have something to argue about to keep me busy |
| 09:50:11 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 09:50:24 | B4gder | emacs is better than vi! |
| 09:50:32 | B4gder | Linux is cooler than windows |
| 09:50:36 | * | B4gder adds a few |
| 09:50:43 | scorche | <3 vim |
| 09:50:52 | crashd | negative, vim > emacs |
| 09:50:53 | scorche | and on the second, i agree |
| 09:50:57 | crashd | but i'd rather use pico or nano anyday |
| 09:50:59 | wehn | nano! or zile! |
| 09:51:04 | crashd | vim is so overrated |
| 09:51:07 | B4gder | look, it worked |
| 09:51:07 | scorche | vim wins! |
| 09:51:16 | crashd | hehe |
| 09:51:19 | crashd | B4gder: ;) |
| 09:51:29 | scorche | but yes....i wouls rather use pico myself |
| 09:51:32 | JdGordon | vim is the shit! |
| 09:51:38 | JdGordon | linux tho is just shit.... |
| 09:51:50 | wehn | (gasp) |
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| 09:52:16 | scorche | havent actually tried nano myself |
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| 09:55:20 | midkay | alright. alright. i have a _really_ good joke/riddle/WHATEVER. alright. listen up. |
| 09:55:22 | myth1 | hi guys |
| 09:55:30 | midkay | what do you call coding for Rockbox? |
| 09:55:34 | scorche | shit? |
| 09:55:37 | scorche | errrrr... |
| 09:55:41 | scorche | i tried |
| 09:55:50 | * | scorche hugs midkay |
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| 09:55:58 | midkay | ROCKet science!! |
| 09:56:05 | crashd | dude |
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| 09:56:07 | crashd | that was awful. |
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| 09:56:19 | midkay | shut the .. i'm going back to bed. :( |
| 09:56:23 | crashd | : ) sorry dude |
| 09:56:24 | crashd | it was tho |
| 09:56:34 | scorche | crashd: no it was "_really_ good" |
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| 09:56:44 | midkay | fu all. |
| 09:56:44 | crashd | rockeally good! |
| 09:56:47 | myth1 | i need more mem for my codecs, badly |
| 09:56:50 | midkay | bunch of queers don't appreciate a good joke. |
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| 09:57:14 | B4gder | myth1: codecs normally have quite a lot of mem... |
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| 09:57:17 | midkay | zaggy! |
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| 09:57:29 | * | midkay is running back to bed. nite. :) |
| 09:57:33 | crashd | nn midkay |
| 09:57:37 | myth1 | B4gder: I can only allocate about 512kb statically |
| 09:58:06 | myth1 | B4gder: Do you know how much mem is available for rb->malloc()? |
| 09:58:07 | B4gder | yes, but why would a codec need more statically? |
| 09:58:27 | myth1 | I've heard malloc is more or less a hack |
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| 09:58:38 | B4gder | it is |
| 09:58:38 | myth1 | So how much RAM can I get? |
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| 09:59:53 | myth1 | 1 - 2 megs would be fine, is thi possible with malloc? It isn't with statical declaration |
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| 10:00:38 | scorche | B4gder: I've heard rockbox is more or less a hack |
| 10:01:10 | B4gder | I heard it sounds like a bag of shit! |
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| 10:02:20 | B4gder | I noticed the guy who said that particular thing felt that he was flamed afterwards |
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| 10:03:20 | scorche | meh....i like to create tension.....but i only do cause people dont realize i joke a lot to get reactions out of people |
| 10:04:00 | crashd | scorche: you should go to the doctors about that |
| 10:04:25 | scorche | crashd: i did....they gave me some pills, but i never take them |
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| 10:05:02 | myth1 | hi lostlogic |
| 10:05:22 | scorche | myth1: SHH! |
| 10:05:24 | myth1 | lostlogic: Can you enlighten me now much ram I can allocate in codecsa? |
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| 10:07:54 | linuxstb | myth1: The codec itself can be up to 512KB (code and data), plus there is a 512KB malloc buffer, but we want to get rid of that malloc buffer. |
| 10:08:08 | linuxstb | If you need more memory than that, you will somehow need to use the audio buffer. |
| 10:08:24 | linuxstb | But your codec will be the first to do it. |
| 10:09:21 | myth1 | how can I use the audio buffer for this? |
| 10:09:46 | linuxstb | Someone will need to invent a way, and implement it. |
| 10:10:01 | myth1 | Currently I have the mod codec with 512kbyte and this not very much. I'm thinking about doing XM, but 512kb with xm would be far too less |
| 10:10:13 | linuxstb | What do you need the memory for? Is it to hold the mod file, or for working memory? |
| 10:10:32 | myth1 | ok, then this is my official request: Someone please invent a way for more memory and I will do a working xm player |
| 10:10:37 | myth1 | I need it for the samples |
| 10:10:44 | myth1 | and for the pattern data of course |
| 10:10:51 | linuxstb | Where do these come from? |
| 10:11:00 | myth1 | the samples come from the file |
| 10:11:06 | crwl | wouldn't it be easier to get DUMB working than to write your own XM player (and later perhaps IT, which is even more difficult...) :) |
| 10:11:10 | linuxstb | In which case, they are already in RAM in the audio buffer. |
| 10:11:25 | linuxstb | (assuming the whole file is buffered) |
| 10:11:37 | myth1 | mmh, this is an interesting idea |
| 10:11:54 | myth1 | doing an own xm player is no big deal, it works on my intel machine, I just have to port it |
| 10:12:07 | myth1 | same as for the mod player which now works quite nice |
| 10:12:26 | linuxstb | You should try and avoid copying the contents of the audio buffer to your own buffer if you can. |
| 10:13:14 | myth1 | how can I directly access the audio buffer? |
| 10:13:49 | myth1 | lets say I want a pointer to the complete 1MB file, how do I get it? |
| 10:14:50 | linuxstb | You use the ci->request_buffer() function to get a pointer to your file. But you may have to call this twice if the file is at the wraparound point in the audio buffer (it's a ring buffer). |
| 10:15:18 | linuxstb | But calling it twice won't work.... |
| 10:16:23 | myth1 | so what will work? |
| 10:16:29 | linuxstb | So I think we either need to make sure that .mod files are always stored in a contiguous block of RAM in the audio buffer, or add a new API function which will potentially return two pointers. |
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| 10:17:22 | myth1 | two pointers would slow down the mixing-routine, i would not recomend this. a flat buffer is highly recommended |
| 10:18:12 | myth1 | if you could make sure .mod files are always stored in a contiguous block, i can continue working on the tracker routines |
| 10:19:56 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if storing some files as a contiguous block is desirable behaviour though. I'm curious to know what others think. |
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| 10:20:28 | B4gder | I figure there will be some codecs that would prefer that |
| 10:21:12 | B4gder | but I'm not the man to judge the impact |
| 10:21:39 | myth1 | if this is only for some files the case impact shouldn't be too large |
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| 10:22:04 | B4gder | well, it will require some new intelligence in the music data loader system |
| 10:22:07 | linuxstb | The main impact IMO is how much this would complicate the buffering code. But I don't think the RAM impact will be that great. |
| 10:22:33 | B4gder | "oh this type of music needs to be loaded into one chunk so we need to take these actions..." |
| 10:23:11 | B4gder | fun like when you want to load N megabytes into a single chunk and there's only N-1 available |
| 10:23:27 | B4gder | and it is at the end of ram |
| 10:23:44 | linuxstb | myth1: If I was you, I would continue developing the codec, and assume that your mod file is in a contiguous block. So you can just return an error if ci->request_buffer() doesn't give you the entire file. |
| 10:24:50 | linuxstb | But lostlogic or Slasheri are probably the people to judge the impact of this change. |
| 10:27:09 | myth1 | if I implement the codec with ci->request_buffer() and assume i get the whole mod file I guess some modules will randomly not play, is this correct? |
| 10:27:24 | myth1 | at least with the current behaviour when the ringbuffer is at its end |
| 10:28:28 | linuxstb | Yes - that's the problem. |
| 10:28:56 | myth1 | is there a chance to reload the file so it won't use the "ringpart" of the buffer? |
| 10:29:12 | linuxstb | I don't know if lostlogic is still around to comment - he said he can't do any more Rockbox coding until next Tuesday. |
| 10:29:35 | linuxstb | No, I don't think so. |
| 10:30:14 | myth1 | honestly, I do't want to publish a codec which randomly skips playing files ;) |
| 10:31:11 | myth1 | so I guess for now the 512kb have to suffice until we have a solution |
| 10:31:14 | linuxstb | Well, it's easily documented. The only other solution which would work today would be to change it to be a plugin. You can then claim the entire audio buffer. |
| 10:32:07 | JdGordon | does any1 know how to setup samba so my windows boxes can connect without any passwords? |
| 10:32:48 | myth1 | if we can not find a solution for the ringbuffer I will think about coding a plugin, however direct playback is more what I would prefer |
| 10:33:09 | B4gder | JdGordon: you can set passwd level required somewhere, I don't remember exactly but I did it years ago |
| 10:33:22 | linuxstb | I'm sure we can find a solution - it's just that the people that know about that part of Rockbox aren't around at the moment. |
| 10:33:44 | myth1 | should be open a task in the tracker for this? |
| 10:34:04 | myth1 | so it doesn't get lost? |
| 10:35:41 | linuxstb | You could try posting your problem to the rockbox-dev mailing list - lostlogic and Slasheri will hopefully see it there if they miss this conversation in the logs. |
| 10:36:16 | myth1 | how can I join this mailing list? |
| 10:36:17 | linuxstb | IMO, it's more of an issue for discussion, than a bug/feature request. |
| 10:37:20 | myth1 | ah, its mentioned at the rockbox page |
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| 10:38:26 | myth1 | if you have time it would be nice if you could post it as you have more internal understanding of the ring buffer |
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| 10:39:52 | linuxstb | I'm about to leave home now, but if I don't see a post from you, I'll try and remember to do it during the day today. |
| 10:40:15 | myth1 | ok, thanks |
| 10:40:20 | myth1 | btw: Where are you from? |
| 10:46:35 | * | B4gder recalls linuxstb being a Londoner |
| 10:47:09 | crashd | poor bastard ;) |
| 10:47:34 | crashd | ill be joining the fray in a few month tho, so who am i to talk ;\ |
| 10:48:17 | myth1 | hehe |
| 10:48:26 | myth1 | ok buys, be seeing each other |
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| 10:51:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: You around? |
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| 11:01:07 | Slasheri | Hmm, that kind of contiguous ram loading should be possible, but i am not sure how easy it's to implement regarding the latest changes to the engine. But it shouldn't be hard |
| 11:10:52 | wehn | Yay! the H300 backlight flash was fixed, thanks Petur! |
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| 11:13:52 | webguest50 | hey people |
| 11:13:57 | webguest50 | i need help please |
| 11:14:16 | Paul_The_Ner1 | webguest50: Where are you experiencing problems? |
| 11:14:38 | webguest50 | dealing with rockbox for my ipod photo |
| 11:14:53 | Paul_The_Ner1 | I meant specifically, what problem have you encountered? |
| 11:16:17 | webguest50 | i get a menu containing calenders, contacts, notes, photoes, and rockerbox, but no music, and when i hover over rockerbox then click the next button it flashes the word loading"and does nothing |
| 11:16:56 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Okay, you're not seeing a menu |
| 11:16:59 | Paul_The_Ner1 | You're seeing the filetree. |
| 11:17:14 | Paul_The_Ner1 | That file is the "rockbox.ipod" you installed, but it's already running at this point which is why clicking on it does nothing. |
| 11:17:22 | wehn | Or maybe he's still in AppleOS? |
| 11:17:27 | Paul_The_Ner1 | wehn: No, he's definitely not |
| 11:17:54 | wehn | sorry, not familiar with whats on the iPod HD. |
| 11:17:55 | webguest50 | ok, how can i get to rockbox then? |
| 11:18:03 | Paul_The_Ner1 | webguest50: I just told you, it's already running. |
| 11:18:12 | Paul_The_Ner1 | webguest50: I'm guessing you mean "How do I play my music?" |
| 11:18:18 | webguest50 | then how can i access my music ? |
| 11:18:20 | webguest50 | yeah |
| 11:18:50 | webguest50 | are you there man? |
| 11:18:53 | Paul_The_Ner1 | webguest50: There are two solutions here. One is that you can use our database, TagCache, to index the music that iTunes has hidden on your iPod. The other is to clear the iTunes music off, copy over your files into a reasonable directory structure, and browse using the filetree. |
| 11:19:07 | webguest50 | wow |
| 11:19:11 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Which would you prefer? |
| 11:19:30 | webguest50 | mmm |
| 11:19:45 | Paul_The_Ner1 | The Database method will give you "Artist, Album, Genre, All Songs" like you're familiar with. |
| 11:19:58 | Paul_The_Ner1 | The filetree lets you organize your music however you want, just by where you put it on the disk. |
| 11:20:15 | webguest50 | cool then the second, man, thanks for being so helpful |
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| 11:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well in that case you simply want to use iTunes to remove the music from your iPod, then just copy the music over in disk mode wherever you want to place it. Just drag and drop MP3 files or folders to it. |
| 11:21:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you're in Rockbox, you're actually seeing the layout of your disk, so you'll be able to browse into those folders, and load whole folders or individual songs to play. |
| 11:21:09 | webguest50 | thanks man |
| 11:21:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want to try the database, instructions are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache it can be used alongside filetree mode as well. |
| 11:26:13 | webguest50 | that's really good |
| 11:26:15 | webguest50 | btw |
| 11:26:25 | webguest50 | how to switch between rockbox and apple firmware? |
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| 11:29:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Turn off Rockbox by holding play/pause. |
| 11:29:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you press Menu to turn on your iPod, just hold it down instead of just tapping it. |
| 11:29:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Once it says "Loading original firmware" you can let go of menu. |
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| 11:31:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: "freezing issue previously attributed to cpu scaling has gone." <−−- Any idea at all what change recently might have magically done this? |
| 11:31:21 | dwihno_ | How is the rockbox charging compared to the ipod stock fw? |
| 11:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno_: I think the actual charging is hardware controlled. (I may be mistaken.) |
| 11:32:34 | muesli__ | test |
| 11:32:51 | wehn | passed |
| 11:32:57 | muesli__ | mk |
| 11:33:18 | wehn | Playback in the current daily works superbly everyone, i'm impressed. |
| 11:33:35 | wehn | Smooth seeking and quicker track changes. :) |
| 11:33:58 | muesli__ | just seen a software that let u convert protected apple songs into non-protected http://www.tunebite.com/website/v2/en/home.php?affiliate=f7ee1400db0489304d184c67ae47f5fb |
| 11:33:59 | dwihno_ | Paul_The_Nerd: hm, strange... |
| 11:34:09 | muesli__ | for anyone who didnt know before.. |
| 11:34:20 | dwihno_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Might be related to rockbox playing until the battery is completely drained then. |
| 11:34:24 | crashd | hmm, i just got some really weird behaviour with on-the-fly playlists |
| 11:34:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno_: What might be related to that? |
| 11:35:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: What sort of behaviour? |
| 11:35:12 | crashd | well, i was making a playlist using the insert>into playlist |
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| 11:35:35 | crashd | which ive done loads before, only this time, when it got to about 20 seconds into the second track, it skipped about 6 1/2 tracks and startedc playing the middle of another track |
| 11:35:38 | crashd | very strange |
| 11:35:40 | crashd | a quick tap of << fixed it |
| 11:35:49 | dwihno_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Well, rockbox will die due to low battery... Need to load apple fw to charge for a while |
| 11:35:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: How new/old is your build? |
| 11:36:12 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: it's a cvs build from yesterday with SID and the libmad patches |
| 11:36:32 | crashd | tbh, it might well have been fixed by one of brandon's commits from yesterday |
| 11:36:38 | crashd | only, he's not here to hassle about it ;) |
| 11:36:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | There were a lot of commits yesterday yes. |
| 11:36:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | And a bug like that has been reported before. |
| 11:37:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't think I've heard anyone mention it again in the last 24 hours, so I don't know if it's been fixed, or if they just haven't stumbled across it again yet. |
| 11:37:37 | crashd | well, as i say, this is a cvs build+patches from yesterday |
| 11:37:45 | crashd | so it could be that the stuff that got commited fixed it |
| 11:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno_: Oh, so you're just saying that Rockbox doesn't really work with *extremely* low battery, and you need to charge in Retail a bit first? That doesn't really surprise me, I think. |
| 11:38:09 | dwihno_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Doesn't surprise me either... |
| 11:38:29 | dwihno_ | Paul_The_Nerd: On the archos, rockbox won't play if the battery is beneath some treshold |
| 11:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 11:39:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's quite a bit of battery-related tuning Rockbox on Ipod needs. |
| 11:39:54 | wehn | I think rockbox on the H300 discharges deeper than the iriver software does. |
| 11:40:25 | wehn | It'll boot into rockbox while iriver firmware refuses to boot. |
| 11:42:19 | dwihno_ | Paul_The_Nerd: true, true |
| 11:49:25 | PaulJam | wehn: according to my observations the iriver firmware shuts down the device at ~3.65V , at this point rockbox shows 10-18% battery left |
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| 11:52:20 | wehn | PaulJam: Didn't realise it was such a big difference. I wonder if rockbox goes below recomendend discharge depth? |
| 11:54:46 | PaulJam | i could imagine that the original firmware shuts down earlier, because below 3.65V the display flickers at disk activity |
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| 12:01:44 | wehn | I used to notice the display flickering in iriver firmware but didn't associate it with battery discharge |
| 12:03:22 | wehn | lithium ion battery life seems to be linked to discharge depth (along with other things): |
| 12:03:24 | wehn | http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm |
| 12:03:51 | wehn | But I didn't notice much difference to runtime after 4 consecutime 100% till shutoff cycles. |
| 12:04:06 | wehn | consecutive |
| 12:04:56 | wehn | maybe 4 minutes less out of nearly 9 hours. exactly same WPS, songs on repeat etc. |
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| 12:14:11 | PaulJam | if i understand the article correctly, the battery would not work at all annymore if rockbox would discharge it below the recommended level |
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| 12:14:36 | ark_112 | hey all |
| 12:14:53 | ark_112 | anyone know anything about development on the ipod 3 gen port? |
| 12:15:05 | B4gder | ark_112: yes, it has stalled |
| 12:15:12 | ark_112 | o ok :( |
| 12:15:15 | ark_112 | do u know y? |
| 12:15:21 | ark_112 | major problems? |
| 12:15:25 | B4gder | pretty simply: no one works on it |
| 12:15:42 | lostlogi1 | PaulJam: there's an emergency disable circuit in most LiION batteries, but that's not till 2.7 volts I believe. All DAPs I'm aware of have hardware cutoffs in the power circuitry at 2.9v so they don't get down there. |
| 12:15:46 | ark_112 | bumma, wat6 langauge is it written in? |
| 12:15:52 | B4gder | ark_112: C |
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| 12:16:19 | B4gder | ark_112: the single guy that has done the 3 gen work so far has been busy doing other stuff and no one else has stepped up to do it |
| 12:16:23 | ark_112 | does anyonw hav the source for the last release? |
| 12:16:32 | B4gder | ark_112: ask cvs |
| 12:16:44 | ark_112 | cvs? |
| 12:16:59 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 12:17:12 | B4gder | that's how you get the latest sources |
| 12:17:45 | ark_112 | hanx |
| 12:17:52 | ark_112 | *thanx |
| 12:18:45 | lostlogi1 | wehn: it's true that Lithium based batteries do not like to hold at full or empty for extended periods, deep discharge and full charge do not generally do Bad Things (TM) to the battery though unless the battery is held at that charge level afterwards (or worse allowed to self discharge lower). |
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| 12:21:40 | lostlogi1 | B4gder: any idea how we might get UTC timestamps from all build servers? ntp might be a reasonable requirement, although the exact parameters to require are hard to determine (My server's clock is currently within 2ms of 4 stratum 2 servers, but I may be more obsessive than most) |
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| 12:22:22 | B4gder | well, firstly we could make the build just use UTC times for the time stamp |
| 12:22:29 | B4gder | instead of local time as it does now |
| 12:22:59 | B4gder | if we wanted the times to be _exact_ the same on all builds we could use a time stamp passed on from the build server |
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| 12:23:11 | B4gder | I mean from the master |
| 12:23:24 | B4gder | it already kind of passes on the timestamp |
| 12:23:31 | B4gder | as it is used for the cvs update command |
| 12:23:43 | B4gder | to make sure all servers update to the exact same state |
| 12:23:48 | wehn | lostlogi1: I think what the article (and others I read) said was battery lifespan depended on number and depth of discharges |
| 12:24:26 | wehn | lostlogi1: ie x full discharges or 2x half discharges = battery lifespan |
| 12:24:44 | wehn | so more frequent less deep charges are better |
| 12:24:55 | lostlogi1 | I think one of two things makes sense: if we're not going to care about precision, then we should just use the CVS timestamp as the build's stamp, or if we want to precisely know when the actual build happened then we should require NTP and use UTC timestamps from the servers. |
| 12:24:58 | wehn | But that said, I'm happy with rockboxes current discharge cutoff |
| 12:25:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's theoretically possible that two *different* builds could have the same time stamp with just UTC if a slow server's a few minutes off in one way, a fast one in the other, and they're two builds in a row. That's probably a bad thing. |
| 12:26:03 | wehn | Paul_The_Nerd: perhaps NTP would help there. |
| 12:26:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would. |
| 12:26:09 | lostlogi1 | wehn: If I understand correctly, a lithium ion battery constantly cycled in the 40-80% charge range will last push a lot more useable current out it's leads than one constantly cycled 0-100% |
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| 12:26:45 | lostlogi1 | the chemistry doesn't like the extremes of charge |
| 12:26:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I vote for the timestamp though, since you've already got it around and since it's then also reflects exactly which CVS co a user could use to get the same sources as the build, right? |
| 12:26:56 | B4gder | since the builds are started by the master, it really can't have the same time stamp on two builds |
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| 12:27:25 | JdGordon | cant u just change the filestamps when the zips come back to the main server? |
| 12:27:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: The one that shows in the credits plugin. |
| 12:27:50 | JdGordon | oh.. |
| 12:27:52 | wehn | lostlogi1: yep, i agree. (though not sure on the 80% bit.) |
| 12:28:06 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: yes the match with the cvs version is a very compelling reason |
| 12:28:34 | B4gder | I'll bring out my stick and poke it tonight |
| 12:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 12:29:08 | wehn | lostlogic: maybe in poor chargers that force into overcharge 80% would be better. anyway. |
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| 12:32:34 | PaulJam | wehn: i think the charging is controlled by an internal chip and not by the external charger. And i think the user shoud be able decide how he wants to treat the battery. |
| 12:34:26 | PaulJam | what i would like to see in rockbox is a beep every few minutes if the voltage falls below a certain (user configurable) level |
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| 12:51:53 | wehn | PaulJam: yep, of course the power adaptor only supplies power. And I agree the user controls charging |
| 12:52:40 | wehn | PaulJam: I like the current cut off level since I haven't seen the capacity loss I've come accross in other products from an uncontrolled deep discharge |
| 12:55:00 | wehn | not sure about battery warnings, if your running that low it's probably because you can't get to a charger. :) |
| 12:57:10 | PaulJam | wehn: of course, the warning should be optional, but i often forget to connect the charger at home. so i would prefer a warning because i dont want to cischarge the battery too low |
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| 13:23:54 | webguest65 | is there any way that I can display the battery voltage in root, without going to wps ? |
| 13:24:31 | JdGordon | turn on the status bar |
| 13:25:10 | webguest65 | hmm, batt voltage in status bar.... |
| 13:26:03 | _FireFly_ | afaik there is no voltage display in the statusbar only a % value |
| 13:26:09 | _FireFly_ | or graphical |
| 13:26:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't even know there was an actual voltage display in WPS. Is there? |
| 13:26:31 | webguest65 | yes was looking for voltage display specifically, more meaningful |
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| 13:27:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you said "without going to WPS" which somewhat implied you meant something that was currently available in WPS. |
| 13:27:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can check the battery status in the debug menu though |
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| 13:27:43 | JdGordon | u can put voltage on the wps.. |
| 13:28:30 | webguest65 | hmm, if I'm doing file work and its connected to the pc, it would be nice to have voltage displayed in the usb logo, or something like that |
| 13:28:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, %bv, gotcha |
| 13:28:45 | amiconn | wehn: It's true that LiIon does like full charge less than a medium charge state |
| 13:29:06 | amiconn | I.e. the extremes are bad, as already mentioned |
| 13:29:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: Why not just make sure it's charging while plugged in, since you're bound by a cable anyway? |
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| 13:29:50 | webguest65 | H140 cant charge via usb |
| 13:29:51 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: what did you want to ask me? |
| 13:30:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: I didn't say you should charge by USB. I said that you might as well make sure it's charging. |
| 13:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I was curious if the replacements of the #pragma stuff might have other effects than simply removing some bugs with -Os |
| 13:31:17 | webguest65 | ok, would it be possible to display battery voltage in the usb logo whilst connected to a pc ? |
| 13:31:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: It's open source, so yeah you could make that change. |
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| 13:32:06 | webguest65 | vesibility is good, now to find a coder :) |
| 13:32:31 | webguest65 | feasibility even |
| 13:32:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you need actual voltage though? |
| 13:32:52 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: It shouldn't. In fact, the replacement shouldn't have any effect if there were no gcc bug |
| 13:33:19 | webguest65 | well, I do alot of file work without the charger, so thought it would be nice to know the status of the battery whilst connected to a pc |
| 13:33:22 | wehn | amicon: ok. hadn't heard that before. Not really a practical charge pattern though. |
| 13:33:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Okay. It's just that people are reporting that the iPod 4G freezes vanished, and it's either that or playback engine changes. |
| 13:33:42 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: These changes were all archos only |
| 13:33:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: "Battery status" is different than voltage though. A % full should be valid for status. |
| 13:34:03 | webguest65 | mea culpa, meant battery voltage |
| 13:34:22 | webguest65 | battery voltage is way more meaningfull than % |
| 13:34:35 | amiconn | The bug is that a #pragma interrupt turns _all_ subsequent functions into interrupt handlers instead of just the next one with sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x and any optimisation level > 1 |
| 13:34:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: How so if it's just while you're using the unit as an external HD? |
| 13:34:57 | _FireFly_ | webguest65: not really if you don*t know the with which voltage the battery is empty |
| 13:35:06 | _FireFly_ | s/the/ |
| 13:35:07 | amiconn | preglow: around? |
| 13:35:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Aaah, ick. Well, I guess the playback engine overhaul is what fixed the cpu scaling bugs, at least supposedly. |
| 13:35:16 | webguest65 | 3.3 vollts is disc cutoff no? |
| 13:35:38 | webguest65 | that means more to me than one bar |
| 13:35:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | One bar? |
| 13:35:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's shown as 0-100% |
| 13:35:57 | _FireFly_ | Paul_The_Nerd: or graphical |
| 13:36:03 | _FireFly_ | depending on the setting |
| 13:36:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, yeah, but it can be shown as a percent |
| 13:36:07 | webguest65 | I prefer voltage :) |
| 13:36:16 | _FireFly_ | webguest65: then code it ;) |
| 13:36:25 | webguest65 | but ofcourse |
| 13:36:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, there's not much call for that being added into the core, since it's very definitely "fluff" |
| 13:36:52 | webguest65 | tharts your opinion |
| 13:37:40 | webguest65 | thanks for the info, everything is possible, as long as you do it yourself :) |
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| 13:38:01 | B4gder | webguest65: yes, YOU wrote rockbox didn't you? |
| 13:38:25 | * | B4gder mutters to the whiners |
| 13:38:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm still not quite sure how an actual numeric voltage while USB is plugged in is that useful. I mean, what is he going to actually *do* with the number? |
| 13:39:04 | B4gder | he'll have his own translation table on the table next to his keyboard ;-) |
| 13:39:12 | wehn | runtime or % might be vaguely more useful |
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| 13:40:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well |
| 13:40:41 | romanos_melodos | rockbox-ipodnano and shure e2c = killer combination |
| 13:41:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | rockbox'ed *anything* with headphones you like == killer combination. ;-) At least any target so far. |
| 13:41:18 | romanos_melodos | anyone know how can i create playlist using rockbox? |
| 13:41:29 | B4gder | the manual knows! |
| 13:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 13:41:37 | romanos_melodos | :P |
| 13:41:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're basic M3U playlists if you want to make them on your computer |
| 13:41:49 | * | wehn promises he's truely grateful B4gder, <3 060417 rockbox daily |
| 13:41:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want to do it in Rockbox, the manual covers it a lot better than we could here. |
| 13:42:02 | B4gder | hehe |
| 13:42:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | wehn: Why a 10 day old daily? |
| 13:42:05 | romanos_melodos | oh! so can i just use winamp playlists? |
| 13:42:13 | B4gder | romanos_melodos: yes |
| 13:42:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | If'n yah want to. |
| 13:42:16 | wehn | 27 27!! |
| 13:42:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 13:42:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just curious if some bug that was bothering you hadn't been resolved yet |
| 13:42:40 | romanos_melodos | just another small question. Why rockbox doesn't support ape? |
| 13:42:44 | wehn | oohh playback seeking, backlight flash gone, it's all so nice now. |
| 13:43:04 | JdGordon | still souns like a bag of shit tho |
| 13:43:06 | JdGordon | :D |
| 13:43:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanos_melodos: It's not suitable for portable devices. The format itself wouldn't be able to run full speed. |
| 13:43:18 | romanos_melodos | thanx |
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| 13:43:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though doesn't one of our future potential targets have like a 400mhz core? |
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| 13:43:57 | wehn | JdGordon: lol, where'd that quote come from?! |
| 13:44:12 | JdGordon | the mailing list somewhere.. its a good one :D |
| 13:44:33 | B4gder | Paul_The_Nerd: yes gigabeat |
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| 13:44:58 | B4gder | wehn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
| 13:45:08 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: I never believed the CPU scaling was the cause of the reported crashes. Maybe it was something like a race condition in the playback code which only happened when the CPU was running at 30MHz, so disabling CPU scaling hid that problem. |
| 13:45:14 | romanos_melodos | just a final one... if i'm using both ipl and rockbox, does that affects rockbox perfomance? |
| 13:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, I just called it the "cpu scaling problem" since that's what made it apparent. :) |
| 13:47:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanos_melodos: It shouldn't, unless there's something wrong. |
| 13:49:07 | wehn | B4gder: Makes me laugh everytime I think of it. I like the 5th one on that page too. |
| 13:49:40 | B4gder | yeps, but it seems he might be proven wrong soon |
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| 13:49:56 | romanos_melodos | well basically, i haven't installed ipl yet but it's on my future plans. The main reason is the video playback feature. |
| 13:50:20 | romanos_melodos | any chance for including the ipl video playback in the next rockbox release? |
| 13:50:27 | B4gder | is uncompressed video really that cool? |
| 13:50:33 | romanos_melodos | no |
| 13:50:54 | B4gder | I mean, it would probably be rather easy to support that in Rockbox too |
| 13:50:57 | romanos_melodos | i just wanna test it.. |
| 13:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanos_melodos: The video feature they use is actually pretty miserable if you put it in context. If Rockbox were to do video in the future, my hope is that we'd do it quite a bit more impressively. :) But that's not something to expect for a *long* time if ever. |
| 13:51:43 | romanos_melodos | is it that difficult paul_the_nerd? |
| 13:51:58 | linuxstb_ | Or we just wait for IPL to release their next video player (I know a few people are working on things) and steal that. |
| 13:52:04 | romanos_melodos | i mean , they made it for uncompressed.. |
| 13:52:22 | B4gder | linuxstb_: a good plan! ;-) |
| 13:52:26 | romanos_melodos | they just have to put the damn codecs in it |
| 13:52:28 | romanos_melodos | lol |
| 13:52:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanos_melodos: Never ask if it's really that hard. If *you* can't do it, by definition it's "that hard" at least. :) |
| 13:53:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've found that it's basically impossible to judge how hard something is once it's at the point where it's "too hard for me to do" |
| 13:53:21 | romanos_melodos | yeah.. i'm sure they've already done much.. |
| 13:53:32 | romanos_melodos | i mean , i can play doom on my nano.. |
| 13:53:33 | romanos_melodos | lol |
| 13:53:47 | linuxstb_ | romanos_melodos: The ipods currently struggle to decode some audio files in realtime, so imagine what would happen if you tried to decode audio and video at the same time. |
| 13:53:52 | romanos_melodos | so that made me a little bit greedy |
| 13:55:08 | romanos_melodos | is that clearly a matter of ipod's hardware? |
| 13:55:25 | romanos_melodos | i mean cpu, ram etc... |
| 13:56:25 | linuxstb_ | Yes, and how efficient the codecs are, and how well they've been optimised. |
| 13:57:21 | linuxstb_ | Also, for the 4G Photo/Color and 5G ipods, the LCD updates are very slow. |
| 13:57:56 | romanos_melodos | is nano a 4G? |
| 13:58:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 13:58:41 | romanos_melodos | what is it then? |
| 13:58:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the Nano. |
| 13:58:48 | romanos_melodos | lol |
| 13:58:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seriously |
| 13:59:02 | romanos_melodos | i was just about to say that |
| 13:59:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's 1G - 4G, then 4G Color and Photo (which are the same thing), Mini 1G and 2G, Nano, and Video. |
| 13:59:21 | romanos_melodos | but i wasn't sure if nano is a generation itself |
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| 14:00:05 | romanos_melodos | so if i want to compare a nano with another genaration, what generation would that be? |
| 14:00:14 | linuxstb_ | The Nano shares some hardware with the 4G and some hardware with the 5g. |
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| 14:01:00 | linuxstb_ | e.g. it uses the same CPU and backlight as the 5g, but the same LCD controller as the 4G Color. |
| 14:01:12 | linuxstb_ | But it doesn't have the Broadcom video DSP that the 5g has. |
| 14:01:30 | romanos_melodos | thanx for the info |
| 14:01:32 | romanos_melodos | :) |
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| 14:02:35 | romanos_melodos | i'm sure people back in apple are working on it.. i mean the video dsp thingo |
| 14:02:54 | romanos_melodos | for getting that on the next nano release.. |
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| 14:04:06 | linuxstb_ | I hope not. We don't need more undocumented chips... A faster main CPU would be more interesting, and potentially more useful for Rockbox. |
| 14:05:11 | romanos_melodos | oh ok then :P |
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| 14:06:43 | romanos_melodos | bye |
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| 14:11:25 | * | B4gder sent off the mail |
| 14:11:39 | B4gder | with the P-word |
| 14:12:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | P-word? |
| 14:13:00 | B4gder | postpone |
| 14:13:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, got the mail just now |
| 14:13:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I agree by the way |
| 14:14:40 | B4gder | 1st of May feels very close |
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| 14:14:53 | preglow | linuxstb_: btw, you mentioned something about a data abort with the new libmad patches at on time, yes? |
| 14:15:38 | * | amiconn notices proeglow around |
| 14:15:47 | amiconn | *preglow |
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| 14:16:08 | linuxstb_ | No - I just asked if you had tested them on ARM. I thought there might be an issue because the bit-reading functions had been changed to use 32-bit reads. |
| 14:17:01 | amiconn | preglow: More news regarding the jumptable issue. The offset_unsigned flag itself isn't the problem, it's evaluated correctly |
| 14:17:06 | Topic | "Latest news: extended freezing period suggested" by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
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| 14:17:39 | amiconn | We just hit a corner case where the offset is increased by 1 _after_ deciding about the signedness |
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| 14:17:47 | t0mas | come on.. |
| 14:17:53 | amiconn | The real bug is in the jumptable size calculation |
| 14:18:26 | amiconn | I'm 99% sure, only have to find the place where the jumptable size is calculated |
| 14:18:52 | Topic | "The Rockbox Channel - Latest news: extended freezing period suggested - Have a server? --> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer" by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 14:19:14 | B4gder | t0mas: I find the extra info redundant |
| 14:19:21 | t0mas | we still need some :) |
| 14:19:28 | B4gder | this being #rockbox should be evident |
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| 14:19:38 | B4gder | and the build server info hardly gets us more servers anymore |
| 14:19:38 | t0mas | ah, you mean that part |
| 14:20:05 | B4gder | but sure, it can still be mentioned |
| 14:20:10 | amiconn | t0mas: I'm not sure whether additional build servers are that useful. |
| 14:20:25 | B4gder | a larger amount of new servers will make a difference |
| 14:20:28 | t0mas | me neither, but I think we're getting short in bandwidth soon |
| 14:20:32 | B4gder | only a few will hardly be noticable |
| 14:20:33 | amiconn | It seems there's a saturation effect in the build times, due to ccache and the handout of buiöds |
| 14:20:42 | amiconn | *builds |
| 14:21:00 | B4gder | I don't think we'll have a bandwidth problem |
| 14:21:09 | B4gder | the problem we have is the slowest servers |
| 14:21:10 | amiconn | The more build servers, the less likely it is for a specific build server to get the same build twice in a row |
| 14:21:27 | amiconn | ...and that makes ccache less efficient |
| 14:21:35 | B4gder | and the slowest servers that get a second build very late in the game and that build takes a long time |
| 14:21:52 | B4gder | amiconn: ccache by default fits all builds in the cache |
| 14:22:14 | tucoz | I see that a file in the manual is marked as DOS in emacs. How do I convert this (from within emacs) to unix? |
| 14:22:26 | amiconn | B4gder: yeah, but ccache doesn't help if a source file needs to be recompiled due to changes |
| 14:22:48 | B4gder | amiconn: right, but then how is it a ccache issue? |
| 14:23:02 | amiconn | ...and more build servers extend the period for each build server in which this recompilation will hurt the build time |
| 14:23:34 | amiconn | B4gder: I didn't say it's a ccache _issue_ |
| 14:23:50 | B4gder | you said you could make it less efficient somehow |
| 14:23:53 | B4gder | and I don't see how |
| 14:23:57 | amiconn | I said the build distribution among more build servers makes ccache less efficient |
| 14:24:09 | B4gder | only if the cache isn't big enough, right? |
| 14:24:13 | amiconn | nope |
| 14:24:46 | B4gder | oh, you mean subsequent builds would be faster if done on the same server as the last lap |
| 14:24:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:25:02 | linuxstb_ | Yes, and with more servers, that is less likely to happen. |
| 14:25:14 | amiconn | If one server does all the builds, a big change (e.g. in a .h file) makes it refill ccache completely, and the next round will be fast again for all builds |
| 14:25:14 | B4gder | I think that's a very minor penalty |
| 14:25:24 | wehn | tucoz: don't know about emacs, but maybe: sed 's/.$//' filename > converted |
| 14:25:28 | B4gder | overall I mean |
| 14:25:29 | amiconn | It's clearly visible in the build stats |
| 14:25:42 | tucoz | wehn, thanks. I ran dos2unix on the file :) |
| 14:26:22 | B4gder | yes its visible, but it isn't very frequent |
| 14:26:35 | B4gder | is it? |
| 14:26:46 | amiconn | My impression is that it is quite frequent |
| 14:27:39 | amiconn | Would it be possible to define some kind of automatic build preference? |
| 14:28:13 | amiconn | I.e., make it more likely that a server gets a certain build in the next round if it did this build in the current round |
| 14:29:02 | B4gder | it could be a bit hairy to get it right |
| 14:30:40 | B4gder | I think we could also benefit from handing out the slowest builds first |
| 14:30:58 | B4gder | to top up with smaller and smaller |
| 14:31:27 | amiconn | Yeah, swcodec target & sim first, then hwcodec, bootloaders last |
| 14:31:31 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:36:24 | ravon | Where can I read up on char -> ushort sound conversions? |
| 14:40:49 | linuxstb_ | You mean "signed char" to "unsigned short" ? |
| 14:41:00 | linuxstb_ | Or unsigned char... |
| 14:41:10 | ravon | Signed char |
| 14:41:21 | ravon | I have my own way, but the sound gets all fuzzy |
| 14:48:01 | preglow | amiconn: no clues on what the real problem is, then? |
| 14:48:31 | amiconn | preglow: [14:17:41] <amiconn> I'm 99% sure, only have to find the place where the jumptable size is calculated |
| 14:48:44 | preglow | rightieo |
| 14:49:05 | amiconn | All SH1 insns are 16bit, so jumptable must have even size |
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| 14:49:28 | Zagor | B4gder: a simple server speed toplist could be done (with statistics) and start with both the big jobs and the big servers |
| 14:49:33 | amiconn | Byte sized jumptables need a padding byte if the number of cases is uneven |
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| 14:50:26 | amiconn | In the case where the bug hit us, there were 5 cases, and the offset to the last one was 127, since the padding isn't considered in the table size decision |
| 14:50:40 | B4gder | Zagor: yes but basing on collected data like that can be a bit cumbersome to work with |
| 14:50:50 | amiconn | The padding in the insn output stage then bumped the offset to 128 - boom |
| 14:50:55 | B4gder | Zagor: just sorting the builds in size-order from what we know is a lot easier |
| 14:51:56 | Zagor | B4gder: yes, but simply storing the build times in a file shouldn't be very hard. |
| 14:52:00 | amiconn | The easy fix is reducing the maximum allowed distance for byte-sized table by 1. I tested it, it works |
| 14:52:13 | amiconn | But the proper fix would be to fix the table size calculation... |
| 14:52:33 | B4gder | Zagor: no, just that I don't think we'll gain a lot |
| 14:53:17 | Zagor | perhaps not |
| 14:53:58 | B4gder | I mean, the order of the builds would be rather static given enough time |
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| 15:02:59 | DpK|Cronic | hi |
| 15:03:00 | DpK|Cronic | :) |
| 15:03:16 | DpK|Cronic | can anyone give me a good theme? |
| 15:03:27 | DpK|Cronic | with a good code? |
| 15:03:37 | JdGordon | ajant |
| 15:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | The themes are all to be found in the WPS Gallery in the wiki. :) |
| 15:04:46 | DpK|Cronic | y i see it but thats not sooo good ^^ and the iPod Green5g are not functionaliti |
| 15:04:57 | DpK|Cronic | the text are not on the box |
| 15:05:04 | DpK|Cronic | there is on the left site.. |
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| 15:07:57 | DpK|Cronic | i would an better menu :( are you can help me Paul_The_Nerd ? |
| 15:08:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: I'm not understanding what you're asking. Some themes require patches for text alignment. For the menu you can only set backdrop and font |
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| 15:09:25 | DpK|Cronic | ahh the patches...where must they in? |
| 15:09:26 | ravon | Oh speaking of that. Will those patches be a part of the main tree after 3.0? |
| 15:10:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: They must be applied to the source code, and then rockbox must be compiled. It's described in the wiki. |
| 15:11:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | ravon: The album art patch isn't being included because it doesn't load album art into memory with songs the way it's been decided would be optimal. |
| 15:12:19 | preglow | are anyone looking at what wpses we should bundle? |
| 15:13:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Has anyone actually submitted any WPSes through the proper process recently? |
| 15:13:28 | B4gder | I think we've hesitated to accept any |
| 15:13:54 | B4gder | I'd rather have us arrange them in a new way |
| 15:14:10 | B4gder | with ~3 WPSes for each target LCD |
| 15:14:50 | B4gder | I wish someone would bother to setup a dedicated site and service for Rockbox themes |
| 15:15:47 | DpK|Cronic | thr pszvhrd in G:\.rockbox |
| 15:15:48 | DpK|Cronic | ? |
| 15:16:02 | DpK|Cronic | uh |
| 15:16:08 | DpK|Cronic | the patches in g:\.rockbox ? |
| 15:16:43 | JdGordon | so... um... when is rockbox.blaa moving into .rockbox?? |
| 15:16:55 | ravon | DpK|Cronic: You need to patch the sources before you build them. |
| 15:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: No, I told you they have to be applied to the source code, and compiled. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 15:17:25 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: The album art patch seems much better now - it doesn't waste RAM, but it causes an extra disk spinup just before each track change, and the album art is loaded into the WPS image buffer. |
| 15:17:48 | linuxstb_ | But this also only happens if the image is different to the previous one. |
| 15:17:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: A non-wiki site, where people submit them, the maintainer reviews the WPS to make sure it handles things properly (nothing extra in the .cfg, it explicitly sets font and background colors if that is required for the theme to work well, etc)? |
| 15:18:03 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:18:13 | B4gder | with previews, sizes, zips to download, all targets |
| 15:18:24 | B4gder | and user rating |
| 15:18:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, I understand that lostlogic wants to make metadata on buffer work properly, which would probably then be ideal for integrating the album art into, right? |
| 15:18:30 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: that could be done with a script... |
| 15:18:39 | B4gder | like those winamp/xmms/etc skin sites |
| 15:19:01 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, I think that's everyone's preferred approach. |
| 15:19:47 | preglow | B4gder: how would that site differ from what we have now? |
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| 15:20:10 | B4gder | well, we don't have such a service now |
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| 15:20:33 | B4gder | that would be the difference ;-) |
| 15:20:47 | linuxstb_ | I would be surprised to see a volunteer for that job though. |
| 15:21:13 | B4gder | I pushed for it a bit at MR |
| 15:21:15 | preglow | i could have done so, but i haven't got the webspace |
| 15:21:20 | preglow | nor the time :> |
| 15:21:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: There would be a human filter (or a few) to help make sure WPS submissions actually *work.* A lot of the ones on the Wiki have had errors (the .cfg points to a non-existing .wps, or assumes the text is the default color, etc) |
| 15:21:28 | preglow | not the interest in wpses :>>> |
| 15:21:47 | B4gder | I have the space and skill, but I don't feel like taking on yet another task |
| 15:22:06 | B4gder | would be neater to get a new fresh web guy to do it |
| 15:22:15 | preglow | the only webspace i've got available only have mod_php and _MOD_LISP_ |
| 15:22:20 | preglow | and i require mod_perl for proper operationm |
| 15:22:34 | B4gder | well, we have many gigabytes to offer... :-) |
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| 15:24:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll gladly help with checking over submissions for guideline adherence if a web design guy does come along. I'm learning PHP, but I'm still very limited to "The aspects of it necessary to help with my ex-girlfriend's Geophysics project" |
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| 15:24:40 | preglow | we need to finally decide on the wps patches issue as well |
| 15:25:02 | preglow | people will need the time to actually use them before release |
| 15:27:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: It doesn't show a checkmark in the Rockbox column by Mini 2G, probably simply because Rockbox wasn't on Mini yet when the page was made or something |
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| 15:28:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Are you talking about the WPS-specific patches that are out there? There's only like two left right (at least in wide circulation), the scroll margins and album art? Or are there others. |
| 15:30:50 | _FireFly_ | Paul_The_Nerd: also my combined-bitmap-support ;) |
| 15:31:06 | _FireFly_ | but currently no updated patches arround |
| 15:31:07 | tucoz | If one makes changes to a binary file (image) and want to commit the changes, is there something special I need to do to commit that? |
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| 15:31:44 | tucoz | or will the current cvs version simply be overwritten? |
| 15:32:10 | tucoz | ...if I cvs commit? |
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| 15:32:44 | DpK|Cronic | hi |
| 15:32:46 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: scroll margins would be the more important one, if you ask me |
| 15:32:49 | DpK|Cronic | Paul_The_Nerd you are german or? |
| 15:32:57 | amiconn | Nothing special, just commit like normal |
| 15:33:04 | tucoz | amiconn, thanks :) |
| 15:33:15 | preglow | tucoz: hey, congrats on the little one |
| 15:33:24 | tucoz | preglow, thanks :D |
| 15:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Honestly, a lot of people seem to use it, and I'm somewhat in favour of it being added as a stopgap until proper viewports as long as it can be integrated in a way that allows it to be backed out cleanly when the time comes. |
| 15:34:04 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i think wps is going to see a major overhaul, so i don't really think it needs to be backed out as such |
| 15:34:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: American. |
| 15:34:14 | DpK|Cronic | can anyone install meThe Rockbox Source Code in the remote desktop pls? |
| 15:34:16 | DpK|Cronic | ah ok |
| 15:34:35 | DpK|Cronic | pls can anyone install me The Rockbox Source Code in REMOTE DESKTOP from windows? |
| 15:34:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Well, in that case, I'm definitely in favour of it. It solves what I see as the single most common *universal* complain about WPSes (as I see Album Art as probably a smaller but more vocal group. I'm not sure though) |
| 15:35:18 | preglow | i don't care too much about it |
| 15:35:27 | preglow | but scroll margins i do care somewhat about |
| 15:35:36 | preglow | especially since my current wps needs it badly :P |
| 15:35:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 15:35:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Scroll Margins would actually be a WPS feature I'd use. |
| 15:36:14 | DpK|Cronic | Paul_The_Nerd can you install me The Rockbox Source Code ? ^^ |
| 15:36:24 | lostlogic | DpK|Cronic: read wiki, do it yourself. |
| 15:36:48 | DpK|Cronic | i read it ! but i dont understand the cygwin O.o |
| 15:37:08 | _FireFly_ | DpK|Cronic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide#Setup_Your_Environment |
| 15:37:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: Have you installed Cygwin yet? |
| 15:37:16 | DpK|Cronic | yes on C: |
| 15:37:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And what exactly are you having problems with? |
| 15:37:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which step confuses you? |
| 15:38:21 | _FireFly_ | wasn't there a rockboxdev package with an modified cygwin installation |
| 15:38:40 | lostlogic | _FireFly_: was dropped in favor of the vmware image I believe |
| 15:38:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | _FireFly_: There's a set of packages available from Rockbox's servers that include all the crosscompilers, etc. |
| 15:38:47 | DpK|Cronic | the step in The Rockbox Source Code From CVS |
| 15:38:47 | DpK|Cronic | Check out source - |
| 15:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: Those are commands to type inside of cygwin. |
| 15:39:21 | DpK|Cronic | hmm.. but when i open cygwin they closed automaticle |
| 15:39:48 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: you know where the scroll margins patch is? |
| 15:39:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | DpK|Cronic: Then you have not installed cygwin properly |
| 15:40:14 | preglow | ahh |
| 15:40:17 | preglow | it's the paprica one? |
| 15:40:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954 |
| 15:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 15:40:23 | preglow | yup, found |
| 15:40:32 | DpK|Cronic | ok install the 2nd... |
| 15:40:56 | preglow | ugh, it really does touch a lot of stuff |
| 15:41:08 | DpK|Cronic | install with DOX/TEXT ? |
| 15:41:30 | DpK|Cronic | or unix? |
| 15:41:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | The default, which I believe is Unix. |
| 15:41:55 | amiconn | Hmm, who's currently in chargethe vmware image? of |
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| 15:42:17 | amiconn | It will need updating with the patched sh-elf-gcc soon... |
| 15:42:47 | DpK|Cronic | kk... |
| 15:44:00 | lostlogic | amiconn: so will all the build servers |
| 15:44:03 | lostlogic | and won't that be an adventure |
| 15:45:08 | amiconn | Perhaps it will |
| 15:45:25 | amiconn | The good thing about gcc 3.4.x for sh is that we don't need to build with newloib |
| 15:45:35 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: this dr.dns dude must have the most convoluted brain on earth. |
| 15:45:43 | lostlogic | amiconn: but we do need to patch it, yesno? |
| 15:45:43 | DpK|Cronic | i install it again but its not gone <.< |
| 15:45:50 | JdGordon | is the specs of the build servers on the web anywhere? |
| 15:46:08 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: afaics his problem is that auto change directory fucks up sometimes. |
| 15:46:25 | preglow | dr. dns? |
| 15:46:26 | amiconn | lostlogic: Yes, to fix a bug that is present in all sh-elf-gccs and hits at optimisation levels >1 |
| 15:46:42 | lostlogic | preglow: forum poster. |
| 15:46:47 | preglow | roit |
| 15:46:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: aye |
| 15:47:17 | DpK|Cronic | they arent a .bash_profile ? how i can load it ? o.o |
| 15:48:01 | amiconn | Perhaps I'll post a patch to the gcc bugtracker, but (1) I don't really expect them to fix their trunk and (2) they surely won't fix the 3.4.x branch since it's officially closed |
| 15:48:16 | amiconn | ...and we cannot use 4.x :-( |
| 15:48:52 | ravon | Who's dr.dns? |
| 15:49:03 | ravon | I keep hearing about him. |
| 15:49:18 | lostlogic | ravon: forum poster... with spaghetti in his head. |
| 15:49:26 | lostlogic | amiconn: did they drop sh in 4.x? |
| 15:49:28 | ravon | lostlogic: lol. On the rockbox forums? |
| 15:49:34 | lostlogic | aye |
| 15:49:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Some of these bugs are getting more uncommon. "Auto resume with autobookmark only fails when the unit idle powers off." |
| 15:50:01 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I saw that... and I liked your next test request. |
| 15:50:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I never realized how boring I was. I actually turn my player on and off by hand, and listen to music in either a sequential or shuffled playlist. |
| 15:51:10 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I know... me too... which both work fine |
| 15:51:40 | preglow | lostlogic: would reworking the way rockbox works to be compatible with gcc 4 be a great bother? |
| 15:51:43 | preglow | ehh |
| 15:51:44 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: the only thing I actually do that sometimes breaks it is skipping back and forth in certain patterns related to buffer levels and fill times and stuff. |
| 15:51:45 | preglow | amiconn: |
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| 15:52:28 | DpK|Cronic | Paul_The_Nerd can you qry me pls? |
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| 15:54:38 | ravon | Figured out 8->16 got all fuzzy, I think. Someone slap me when you have time. |
| 15:54:46 | JdGordon | ok, is there anything painfully simple but boring that needs to be done for mayday? |
| 15:54:49 | ravon | And my sentences make no sense either. |
| 15:55:26 | ravon | nvm, just got called "trash!" for it |
| 15:56:17 | * | JdGordon abliges and slaps ravon |
| 15:56:36 | ravon | Thanks |
| 15:56:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Bugfixes, bugfixes, bugfixes. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 15:57:05 | lostlogic | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback <−− the bugs listed there... although I can't call them painfully boring :-D |
| 15:57:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Oh, the "View ID3 information" option in the Context Menu should show "Composer" along with everything else, as composer is a supported tag in WPS and TagCache. I think that qualifies as "Simple" maybe? |
| 15:59:06 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: any idea what file thats in? |
| 15:59:23 | amiconn | lostlogic: No, but they took a silly design decision that blocks us from using 4.x for sh rockbox. |
| 15:59:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Not a bloody clue. I just remember someone was quite upset about it's lack. :) |
| 15:59:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | its |
| 15:59:38 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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| 16:00:39 | amiconn | preglow: I have absolutely no idea how to work around that silly gcc 4.x thing |
| 16:01:11 | ravon | weee, it worked. |
| 16:01:44 | amiconn | lostlogic: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24863 |
| 16:04:51 | preglow | amiconn: perhaps we should patch our own gcc4 as well |
| 16:05:12 | preglow | amiconn: 'cause there's pretty much no way whatsoever that they're going to revert that |
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| 16:09:08 | preglow | i like the way in which pinski just suddenly stops responding to the bug |
| 16:09:08 | preglow | hahah |
| 16:09:32 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 16:13:59 | lostlogic | bagh, gcc people. |
| 16:16:51 | godzirra | Hrm... I cant delete a folder off my h120. Anyone have any suggestions? it tells me the folder/disk can't be read. |
| 16:17:02 | godzirra | I did a scandisk on it and it seems to show up fine. |
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| 16:21:21 | JdGordon | the langv2 changes are in place now right? i.e it shuold say NAVI = yes on the h300? |
| 16:25:50 | JdGordon | oops.. can some1 change http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5245 to a patch.. pressed ok to quickly |
| 16:26:30 | amiconn | preglow: Actually I talked to him y'day. He says that in his opinion this is 90% not a bug, and we're doing something in our code which isn't considered legal code |
| 16:26:59 | amiconn | ..but he didn't tell me what isn't legal about it |
| 16:27:46 | amiconn | I don't ask to remove this feature, since it probably makes sense in most cases, but they could have added an option to disable it... |
| 16:28:50 | preglow | well, they too don't like having seldom-used options in their code |
| 16:28:58 | ashridah | amiconn: wait, you dont' have the specs he's working from memorized? i thought everyone did. |
| 16:29:00 | preglow | but i don't think this option in particular makes much of a difference |
| 16:29:40 | godzirra | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:30:20 | ashridah | godzirra: inside rockbox, or when connected to the pc? |
| 16:30:40 | godzirra | ashridah: connected to the pc. |
| 16:31:18 | ashridah | weird. did your scandisk include a surface scan? |
| 16:31:32 | godzirra | I'm doing a scan for bad sectors now. |
| 16:31:37 | godzirra | its still running. |
| 16:38:01 | preglow | woot |
| 16:38:10 | preglow | i found another way to detect incoming sample rate for spdif |
| 16:40:16 | godzirra | I still cant delete the file :( |
| 16:40:20 | godzirra | I dunno what the hell is up. |
| 16:42:01 | mikearthur_ | is anyone here familiar with Wolfson Microelectronics? |
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| 16:42:49 | preglow | my pc's spdif is 48005 hz \o/ |
| 16:42:53 | lostlogic | only in that they make the codecs in the ipods and don't publish specs for the specific ones in the ipod. |
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| 16:43:39 | preglow | my cd player spdif varies between 44097 and 44099 :/ |
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| 16:44:12 | linuxstb | mikearthur_: What's your question? |
| 16:46:06 | mikearthur_ | linuxstb: just curious if anyone is familiar with them |
| 16:46:11 | mikearthur_ | I may be working there in the summer |
| 16:46:23 | preglow | have them publish more specs |
| 16:46:41 | mikearthur_ | I could mention it, doubt it would happen |
| 16:46:50 | preglow | heh |
| 16:46:55 | preglow | we're fine anyway |
| 16:46:58 | preglow | we've figured out most |
| 16:47:02 | linuxstb | I'm not that worried about the specs - most of their codecs seem to be register-compatible with each other, and we've found datasheets that seem to match all the ipod codecs. |
| 16:47:19 | preglow | can't you get work at portalplayer instead? :P |
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| 16:47:29 | linuxstb | Or Samsung now... |
| 16:47:31 | mikekarthur | because portalplayer haven't given me an interview :p |
| 16:47:38 | preglow | linuxstb: is it official? |
| 16:47:45 | linuxstb | I don't think portalplayer will be doing much hiring in the near future... |
| 16:48:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes - Samsung have announced it. Search google news for samsung and ipod. |
| 16:48:27 | mikekarthur | but anyway, other than anything else, hopefully my C skills will be boosted greatly, and I could help with rockbox :D |
| 16:48:35 | linuxstb | I think all they've said is that it will be ARM-based. |
| 16:48:42 | preglow | no surprise |
| 16:48:49 | preglow | apple will wont to modify as little code as possible |
| 16:49:19 | preglow | Samsung’s chip is based on 32-bit processor technology from ARM, which is a bit sexier than the PortalPlayer chip. |
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| 16:49:23 | preglow | "yes" |
| 16:49:25 | preglow | "that is so" |
| 16:50:05 | linuxstb | But I would be surprised if Apple's current firmware didn't use large portions of the PP firmware development kit. |
| 16:50:44 | preglow | it does |
| 16:50:46 | preglow | n't |
| 16:50:53 | lostlogic | oh? |
| 16:50:53 | preglow | the one they use is old as hell |
| 16:50:56 | preglow | so i doubt they care much |
| 16:51:23 | preglow | unless they're the "don't fix it if it isn't broken" type of people, of course... |
| 16:52:41 | preglow | i want their mp3 decoder... |
| 16:53:34 | preglow | Slasheri: here? |
| 16:53:58 | Slasheri | preglow: yes :) |
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| 16:55:27 | preglow | Slasheri: could you do some 96khz testing for me afterwards? |
| 16:55:40 | preglow | i found a new method to measure the sample rate directly, and want to see if i've got it right |
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| 16:57:25 | Slasheri | preglow: sure |
| 16:57:54 | Slasheri | if i just manage to get the cables work :) |
| 16:57:57 | preglow | hehe |
| 16:58:01 | preglow | just finishing the code now |
| 16:58:21 | Slasheri | good, just tell me when it's ready and i will try out :) |
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| 17:18:04 | RedBreva | Just reading the logs, anyone have any objection to me having a go at a mini themes site (as a proof of concept) |
| 17:18:18 | B4gder | on the contrary! |
| 17:18:54 | B4gder | I'll even offer you a name for your server in the rockbox.org domain! ;-) |
| 17:21:18 | RedBreva | heheh, I'll knock something up in my own domain initially and see if it looks OK first ;-) |
| 17:21:42 | B4gder | oh sure, just showing my enthusiasm! ;-) |
| 17:22:15 | preglow | Slasheri: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.iriver |
| 17:22:17 | preglow | Slasheri: will break settings |
| 17:22:46 | preglow | Slasheri: this time, the sample rate displayed on the recording screen should update itself after what it the spdif input frequency is measured to be |
| 17:22:53 | preglow | please test it with as many as you can :) |
| 17:23:14 | Slasheri | preglow: hehe, i will try :) |
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| 17:28:38 | Slasheri | preglow: btw, there is still the bug that recording will crash when trying to stop unless signal is found |
| 17:29:07 | preglow | i know |
| 17:29:10 | preglow | i haven't fixed that |
| 17:29:16 | thesonork | i installed rockbox yesterday, and i mentioned that it does not Auto-Off the display so it sucks my battery down, what to do? |
| 17:29:23 | preglow | nothing has changed except the freq measurement |
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| 17:31:27 | thesonork | any ideas? |
| 17:31:39 | preglow | what player? |
| 17:31:49 | Slasheri | preglow: works well! frequency even updates correctly when changing the freq on the fly |
| 17:31:53 | thesonork | ipod mini 2g |
| 17:31:58 | Slasheri | i tested with 44.1 48 and 96 kHz |
| 17:32:00 | linuxstb | thesnork: What is your "backlight timeout" set to? |
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| 17:32:07 | thesonork | 5s |
| 17:32:10 | preglow | Slasheri: cool, thanks for testing |
| 17:32:11 | Slasheri | and yes, optical out has to be enabled for optical in to work |
| 17:32:14 | Slasheri | np :) |
| 17:32:15 | linuxstb | And the backlight doesn't go off? |
| 17:32:22 | preglow | he said display |
| 17:32:27 | thesonork | nono, not the backlight, the display.... |
| 17:32:36 | preglow | does the apple firmware switch off the display? |
| 17:32:39 | thesonork | ya |
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| 17:32:50 | preglow | no, it sleeps the entire unit, not just the display |
| 17:32:58 | preglow | anyway, the display doesn't really suck much power |
| 17:33:07 | thesonork | then what sucks my power down :P |
| 17:33:08 | preglow | we've got far worse problems than that |
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| 17:33:16 | linuxstb | The Apple firmware turns off the display when music is playing? |
| 17:33:17 | preglow | something else |
| 17:33:18 | preglow | we don't know |
| 17:33:31 | thesonork | linuxstb, no, on idle |
| 17:33:38 | thesonork | or on "hold" |
| 17:35:35 | thesonork | it was just like i kept my ipod in the car, (all the time loaded while driving so 100%) after work i got in my car... only 67% left, so this means that i cannot use zthe ipod for 2 days without loading it |
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| 17:37:48 | preglow | it does shut itself off after a given amount of time |
| 17:37:54 | preglow | but it doesn't sleep itself like apple does |
| 17:37:56 | preglow | we might fix it in the future |
| 17:38:08 | preglow | but my ipod boots so fast anyway, i don't see the point in wasting power in sleeping it |
| 17:38:33 | thesonork | preglow, |
| 17:38:39 | thesonork | this sleep feature works |
| 17:38:48 | thesonork | but my ipod INSTANTLY reboots after sleeping |
| 17:39:04 | thesonork | so no effect and another waste of power |
| 17:39:40 | preglow | hm? your ipod instantly reboots when it turns itself off? in rockbox? |
| 17:39:54 | thesonork | yap |
| 17:39:59 | preglow | why? |
| 17:40:08 | thesonork | i dont know |
| 17:40:11 | preglow | mine sure as hell stays off when it turns itself off |
| 17:40:17 | preglow | you got anything connected to the expansion port? |
| 17:40:29 | thesonork | no nothing, i just tried it in the kitchen |
| 17:40:52 | thesonork | got that sleep timer to 1min, and waited, it turned off and booted again |
| 17:41:09 | thesonork | so i turned that sleeptimer off |
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| 17:42:48 | preglow | Slasheri: if i disconnect the spdif cable enough times, suddenly the peak meter (and hence also actual recording) dies. i wonder why that happens... |
| 17:42:52 | linuxstb | What happens if you shutdown Rockbox manually - i.e. press and hold the play/pause button for a few seconds. |
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| 17:43:46 | thesonork | linuxstb, instant reboot |
| 17:43:58 | preglow | eh... |
| 17:44:15 | preglow | amiconn: you recognize this? :> |
| 17:44:27 | amiconn | ?? |
| 17:44:28 | linuxstb | thesonork: You have a very confused ipod... |
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| 17:44:58 | dpro | hi |
| 17:44:59 | thesonork | wasn_'t u the one patching my rockbox last night? caused to that usb stuff? |
| 17:45:07 | thesonork | @ linuxstb |
| 17:45:08 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 17:45:16 | thesonork | see ^^ |
| 17:45:22 | linuxstb | midkay actually did the patch for you though. |
| 17:45:52 | linuxstb | You seem to have the only ipod mini in the world where the Rockbox USB detection gives a false positive... |
| 17:45:57 | thesonork | know that, just wanted to recover the visions in my head |
| 17:46:42 | dpro | can anyone enlighten me again on how to use dd instead of ipod_fw ... my x-dev environment now moved to my freeBSD server and my ipod is connected to my powerbook with only a linux live cd due to a hd failure ... |
| 17:46:44 | thesonork | I am taking this as a complement |
| 17:46:47 | thesonork | ;) |
| 17:47:29 | dpro | damn ... I can't even crosscompile pcfdisk .. maybe parted will do the job ... |
| 17:47:38 | linuxstb | dpro: Yes. Just use "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin" to read the firmware partition, and "dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1" to write the modified version with the bootloader at the end. |
| 17:47:50 | linuxstb | (replacing /dev/sda with the device assigned to your ipod) |
| 17:48:21 | linuxstb | You did say you were running Linux? |
| 17:49:00 | dpro | linuxstb: yup |
| 17:49:02 | thesonork | a linux live cd |
| 17:49:18 | dpro | well ... linux on the powerbook and freebsd on the box to compile rockbox ... |
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| 17:49:57 | linuxstb | It's just that Linux is the only OS that will give you direct access to the first partition. Cygwin and Mac OS X will hide it from you. |
| 17:50:07 | linuxstb | (because it's marked as type 0 - empty). |
| 17:50:33 | dpro | ah ok, no that shouldn't be a problem then |
| 17:50:36 | linuxstb | That's why diskdump and ipodpatcher are needed - they access the partition via the whole-disk device. |
| 17:50:56 | linuxstb | There is an IpodInstallationFromLinux wiki page... |
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| 17:52:43 | dpro | but that also uses ipod_fw, I only need it to merge bootloader and original firmware to make my shiny new video triple boot, but I can do that on the server and then dd it from the laptop (not exactly practical /me knows) |
| 17:53:28 | * | dpro wanders if the live cd supports fuse via ssh that would make all this a little more convenient |
| 17:54:18 | dpro | hopefully a friend will give me an unused 2.5" hd tonight so I can start kind of working again tomorrow or so |
| 17:55:05 | Slasheri | preglow: for me, it's enough just to disconnect the cable once and peakmeter dies. However, frequency still updates correctly even after this |
| 17:55:22 | dpro | but if it's just for the partitioning requiring pcfdisk I might be able to find another linux box for those 5 minutes |
| 17:55:34 | linuxstb | So you're installing IPL as well? |
| 17:55:48 | * | dpro isn't sure if parted likes an empty partition type ... |
| 17:55:52 | dpro | linuxstb: yes |
| 17:56:04 | linuxstb | No, I think I've read that parted chokes on the empty partition. |
| 17:56:07 | Mikachu | linuxstb: what if you change it to non-empty while doing stuff to it? |
| 17:56:23 | linuxstb | I've never tried, but I can't see why that wouldn't work. |
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| 17:56:37 | linuxstb | I always use Linux and fdisk, and that's happy to do anything. |
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| 17:57:30 | dpro | parted is crap ... it only tells you where /about/ partitions start and end ... very helpfull when trying to recover from a crash ... |
| 17:59:20 | Mikachu | i remember many moons ago when i used windows, there was a program called ranish' partition manager, it was pretty good |
| 17:59:39 | Mikachu | it may or may not have been dos-only though |
| 17:59:56 | thesonork | used partition magic on windows, long long ago ;) |
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| 18:00:14 | dpro | ah nice ... so I just copy bootpart.bin over to the server an then use ipod_fw to extract all the other stuff needed to merge into a new bootpartition right ? |
| 18:01:04 | preglow | Slasheri: yeah, recording and freq estimation are two completely different things |
| 18:01:09 | linuxstb | Yep. And then copy rockboot.bin back at the end of it. |
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| 18:01:35 | dpro | linuxstb: excellent ! |
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| 18:32:33 | romanos_melodos | hello! Does anyone know how can i have greek language support on rockbox? |
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| 18:34:41 | Mikachu | change to a font with greek characters |
| 18:34:53 | Mikachu | try unifont |
| 18:35:13 | Mikachu | if you're on linux you need to mount the fat partition with -o utf8 |
| 18:35:46 | romanos_melodos | oh.. thanx for that |
| 18:35:49 | romanos_melodos | :) |
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| 18:37:06 | thesonork | Guys, I sorted my songs using Folders like: /Band/Album/songs.mp3, but in folder view rockbox does not shuffle through the folders, and when i create a playlist, rockbox does not sort UIsing the folders i made... what to do? ^^ |
| 18:37:23 | | Quit Genre9mp3 () |
| 18:37:30 | thesonork | UIsing = using |
| 18:39:39 | goffa | thesonork: you mean like when you select a song? |
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| 18:39:48 | goffa | it just plays songs from that folder? |
| 18:39:54 | thesonork | when i browse through my songs |
| 18:40:03 | thesonork | yes |
| 18:40:08 | thesonork | thats exactly my problem |
| 18:40:11 | | Part tempi ("Leaving") |
| 18:40:19 | goffa | yeah... that's default behavior currently :( |
| 18:40:26 | goffa | but... you can load your root playlist |
| 18:40:37 | goffa | then in file browser hold down your navi button |
| 18:40:38 | thesonork | see, i wasted hours in making my music archiev really cool,... like /band/year-Albumname/Tracknumber-trackname |
| 18:40:48 | goffa | then playlist |
| 18:40:50 | goffa | then insert |
| 18:40:51 | thesonork | so i have lots and lots of songs starting with tracknumbers |
| 18:41:15 | plop | i smell |
| 18:41:30 | goffa | and then it will go random through all dirs |
| 18:41:37 | thesonork | gotta do that for every folder? |
| 18:41:44 | thesonork | args |
| 18:41:48 | goffa | oh.. to queue every folder |
| 18:42:10 | goffa | go into playlist options -> create playlist |
| 18:42:17 | goffa | then load root.m3u |
| 18:42:30 | goffa | there's also an option in there for recursively insert directories |
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| 18:43:24 | goffa | so if you have 5 albums by an artist and want to listen to that artist you can insert that dir |
| 18:43:24 | goffa | and it will insert the rest recursively |
| 18:43:24 | plop | hmmmmm |
| 18:43:25 | BOBqwerty | hi plop |
| 18:43:29 | plop | rock my boy |
| 18:43:45 | thesonork | hm i think that just worked |
| 18:43:46 | goffa | there has been some discussion on this thesonork |
| 18:43:48 | goffa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5106 |
| 18:43:56 | romanos_melodos | unifont is working great for reading the greek characters only in folders. What about id tags? |
| 18:44:03 | goffa | there seems to be some interest in implementing my feature |
| 18:44:18 | thesonork | BUT |
| 18:44:21 | BOBqwerty | a |
| 18:44:23 | plop | b |
| 18:44:24 | BOBqwerty | c |
| 18:44:26 | plop | d |
| 18:44:26 | BOBqwerty | e |
| 18:44:28 | plop | f |
| 18:44:29 | BOBqwerty | g |
| 18:44:29 | goffa | because to me its frustrating when you pick a song out of file browser and your playlist goes Poof |
| 18:44:30 | plop | h |
| 18:44:31 | BOBqwerty | i |
| 18:44:32 | plop | j |
| 18:44:33 | BOBqwerty | k |
| 18:44:34 | plop | l |
| 18:44:35 | BOBqwerty | m |
| 18:44:37 | plop | n |
| 18:44:38 | BOBqwerty | o |
| 18:44:40 | plop | p |
| 18:44:41 | BOBqwerty | q |
| 18:44:43 | plop | r |
| 18:44:44 | BOBqwerty | s |
| 18:44:46 | plop | t |
| 18:44:46 | BOBqwerty | u |
| 18:44:50 | plop | v |
| 18:44:51 | BOBqwerty | w |
| 18:44:53 | plop | x |
| 18:44:54 | BOBqwerty | y |
| 18:44:55 | romanos_melodos | z |
| 18:44:55 | plop | z |
| 18:44:56 | thesonork | what the holy hell ?! |
| 18:44:59 | plop | oy! |
| 18:45:01 | lostlogic | that was amusing |
| 18:45:07 | plop | yups |
| 18:45:09 | goffa | not really |
| 18:45:11 | BOBqwerty | i no |
| 18:45:13 | BOBqwerty | thnkyou all |
| 18:45:15 | BOBqwerty | i bow |
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| 18:46:09 | plop | smelly |
| 18:46:12 | BOBqwerty | once |
| 18:46:17 | plop | upon |
| 18:46:18 | BOBqwerty | a |
| 18:46:20 | plop | time |
| 18:46:22 | BOBqwerty | there |
| 18:46:23 | plop | was |
| 18:46:25 | BOBqwerty | a |
| 18:46:26 | plop | dog |
| 18:46:29 | BOBqwerty | but |
| 18:46:31 | plop | he |
| 18:46:33 | BOBqwerty | did |
| 18:46:35 | plop | not |
| 18:46:37 | BOBqwerty | like |
| 18:46:40 | plop | cheese |
| 18:46:42 | BOBqwerty | with |
| 18:46:45 | plop | oranges |
| 18:46:48 | BOBqwerty | although |
| 18:46:50 | plop | he |
| 18:46:52 | BOBqwerty | liked |
| 18:46:56 | plop | bananas |
| 18:46:59 | BOBqwerty | if |
| 18:47:02 | plop | they |
| 18:47:03 | BOBqwerty | were |
| 18:47:06 | plop | covered |
| 18:47:08 | BOBqwerty | in |
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| 18:47:10 | plop | shit |
| 18:47:12 | BOBqwerty | with |
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| 18:47:16 | plop | toppings |
| 18:47:19 | BOBqwerty | of |
| 18:47:29 | plop | smarties |
| 18:47:34 | BOBqwerty | and |
| 18:47:43 | plop | piss |
| 18:47:46 | BOBqwerty | but |
| 18:47:48 | julius | BOBqwerty, plop are you bored? can I help you somehow? :) |
| 18:47:58 | BOBqwerty | yes we are |
| 18:48:06 | plop | im bored butnope unless u got a huge amount of porn u cud share |
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| 18:48:55 | julius | the problem is that I don't have a high speed internet connection, so you would have to wait for hours for just one movie :) |
| 18:48:55 | BOBqwerty | im afraid i do not have any on me i could share |
| 18:48:56 | BOBqwerty | sorry |
| 18:49:15 | plop | lol |
| 18:49:17 | julius | so hi everyone |
| 18:49:21 | plop | hi |
| 18:49:23 | BOBqwerty | hi |
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| 18:50:00 | BOBqwerty | what were you tlking about b4?? |
| 18:50:09 | | Part plop |
| 18:50:10 | BOBqwerty | anything interesting?? |
| 18:50:50 | | Part BOBqwerty |
| 18:51:14 | goffa | YAY |
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| 18:51:32 | goffa | that crap gets annoying |
| 18:51:35 | julius | i have a litle problem with rockbox, yesterday I had greate support from you guys, and I found out how to turn the power on on the ipod 5g dock connector, but I still have one question |
| 18:51:43 | julius | could someone help me with this please? |
| 18:52:03 | goffa | <- knows nothing about ipods |
| 18:52:13 | goffa | but you can ask your question |
| 18:52:22 | julius | ok, so here is the situation: |
| 18:52:29 | dwihno_ | asking the question, always a good idea is! |
| 18:53:00 | thesonork | subject-verb-object dwihno_ |
| 18:53:02 | thesonork | :P |
| 18:53:15 | julius | i found out (with the help of linuxstb) that this code: |
| 18:53:17 | julius | ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x24, 0xf5); |
| 18:53:17 | julius | ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x25, 0xf8); |
| 18:53:17 | julius | ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x26, 0xf5); |
| 18:53:51 | julius | turns on the power on the ipod 5g connector, so I have power on pin 17 and some other above 17 |
| 18:54:11 | julius | so this is greate, but I tested my itrip with it and it's still not working |
| 18:54:22 | julius | than I made some test and found out |
| 18:54:35 | julius | that there are two pins which are required by the itrip |
| 18:54:39 | julius | pin 11 and 17 |
| 18:54:42 | dwihno_ | aha |
| 18:54:49 | dwihno_ | hardware stuff! |
| 18:54:50 | * | dwihno_ hides |
| 18:55:19 | julius | the only problem is that on the pin 11 I don't have any power if I use rockbox, but with apple's firmware I have 2.9v or something like that on the pin 11 |
| 18:56:27 | julius | so do someone knos how to turn on the power on 11 pin too? |
| 18:56:29 | lostlogic | what is pin 11 called in the pinout? |
| 18:56:40 | julius | nothing |
| 18:57:00 | julius | http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector |
| 18:57:09 | julius | sorry |
| 18:57:12 | julius | it's Serial GND |
| 18:57:21 | lostlogic | odd. |
| 18:57:29 | julius | yes, and another thing |
| 18:57:36 | julius | I have 3.3 on the pin 17 and not on 18 |
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| 18:58:25 | julius | or am I counting them wrong? |
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| 18:59:38 | julius | lostlogic, if I try to increment the 0x26 in the code ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x26, 0xf5); could I hurt my ipod? |
| 18:59:58 | julius | you know, just to make some tests, maybe one of them would turn the 11 pin on |
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| 19:00:16 | lostlogic | julius: it's not likely that you'd damage it, IMO, but it is possible. |
| 19:01:10 | julius | I don't really know any other way to found out which one is for pin 11, do you? |
| 19:01:25 | lostlogic | nope, since we don't have datasheets ;) |
| 19:01:40 | amiconn | Disasm the original firmware and start hunting... |
| 19:02:55 | julius | yep, I could do that, but they said that would be a big jurney :) and I really don't want to go abroad :) |
| 19:03:28 | klrspz | what does the the 11 pin do? |
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| 19:05:02 | julius | klrspz, I'm not sure, I just noticed that I have a power out on it with 3v and it is used by the itrip fm transmiter. And i found out the both pin 18 and 11 are required for the itrip to work (or it seems like that) |
| 19:05:23 | klrspz | http://sketchup.google.com/products.html |
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| 19:25:34 | scott666_ | Is the only thing causing playback stutter on a 5G ipod while listening to music and running a plugin unoptimized code? |
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| 19:49:37 | preglow | scott666_: pretty much |
| 19:50:20 | scott666_ | but that's being worked on, right? |
| 19:51:20 | scott666_ | if you can't play the games while listening to music theres not a lot of point in having games |
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| 19:51:50 | DarkJesus | What about an ipod style music quiz? |
| 19:52:02 | preglow | you can play them without listening to music |
| 19:52:24 | preglow | luckily, on our other targets, it's not that much of a problem |
| 19:52:34 | scott666_ | yeah |
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| 19:53:26 | scott666_ | never was on my archos |
| 19:53:45 | linuxstb | The archos doesn't use the CPU for audio decoding. |
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| 19:54:27 | linuxstb | But hopefully once we start using the ipod's second CPU, it shouldn't be an issue on the ipods either. |
| 19:55:09 | linuxstb | julius: Glad to hear you've at least got pin 17 working. Have you found out which of the three commands enables it? |
| 19:55:42 | klrspz | http://gorillamask.net/mariolive.shtml |
| 19:56:46 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you have some ideas on how we should go about moving stuff to the other core, btw? :> |
| 19:57:50 | linuxstb | julius: In the IPL code I pointed you to yesterday, there is some code to init ser0 and ser1 on the 4g. You should try that. It's the last modification on this page: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/hardware.c?r1=1.11&r2=1.12 |
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| 19:58:42 | julius | hi linuxstb I'm glad to see you! |
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| 20:00:13 | julius | linuxstb, ok, I will try that one too, btw: I didn't test the tree command to se which one enables which pin, but I will do so after I got pin 11 to work |
| 20:00:33 | romanos_melodos | r there any other games i can play in rockbox except from the ones already provided? |
| 20:03:19 | Presence | romanos, I play "spin the bottle" at parties with the ipod, but thats not really dependant upon rockbox. |
| 20:03:38 | romanos_melodos | :P |
| 20:04:04 | linuxstb | romanos_melodos: Not really. Almost every plugin that gets written for Rockbox gets added into CVS. |
| 20:04:47 | romanos_melodos | are there gonna be any new features in the new release? |
| 20:04:58 | romanos_melodos | i'm talkin' about verion 3 |
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| 20:05:09 | linuxstb | There's a feature freeze... |
| 20:05:20 | romanos_melodos | ? |
| 20:05:25 | linuxstb | The idea is that no new features are added, but bugs are fixed in all the existing features. |
| 20:05:37 | linuxstb | We then release and start again... |
| 20:05:42 | amiconn | preglow: I think the idea was to run just a single thread on the second core. If we want more than one, we could run a second scheduler on the second core, and let create_thread() have an argument specifying the core. |
| 20:06:04 | romanos_melodos | you're right linux |
| 20:06:41 | amiconn | But I think the biggest problem will be the data exchange. Iiuc this has to be done through iram, unless we find a way to invalidate the data cache |
| 20:06:47 | romanos_melodos | i'm still having some problems during playback and got an annoying sound each time i'm skipping to another dir to hear a song |
| 20:06:50 | preglow | amiconn: perhaps running only the codec thread on the second core does make sense |
| 20:06:57 | preglow | amiconn: playback can stay on the first core |
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| 20:07:18 | preglow | then i _think_ the only transfer that needs to take place is the decoded data |
| 20:07:23 | preglow | and that is always in iram now anyway |
| 20:07:25 | linuxstb | We also have the issue of CPU boosting - the two CPUs share the same clock, but I think the COP can be run at half the speed of the main CPU. |
| 20:07:44 | romanos_melodos | are there 2 cpu's on ipod? |
| 20:07:46 | amiconn | Could we actually swap cores then? |
| 20:08:05 | linuxstb | You mean run the UI on the COP? |
| 20:08:08 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:08:18 | linuxstb | I don't see why not. |
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| 20:08:29 | linuxstb | They both have equal access to the peripherals. |
| 20:08:41 | amiconn | Run everything on the cop except the codec thread. Then we could throttle the ui to 1/2 whenever codec boosts |
| 20:08:42 | DpK|Cronic | hi anyone here how can me install the source for rock box over WINDOWS DESKTOP REMOTe? |
| 20:09:12 | linuxstb | That's assuming we can figure out how to run the COP at half-speed. I think I just read this in the PP product briefs. |
| 20:09:23 | ep0ch_ | dsp should also be on the fast cpu? |
| 20:09:34 | romanos_melodos | are there 2 cpu's on ipod? |
| 20:09:40 | linuxstb | romanos_melodos: Yes. |
| 20:09:45 | amiconn | ep0ch_: dsp isn't on a separate thread |
| 20:09:47 | scott666_ | how does the apple firmware delegate it? |
| 20:10:00 | amiconn | preglow: What thread is handling dsp? |
| 20:10:04 | linuxstb | scott666_: I'm not sure anyone knows for sure. |
| 20:10:19 | scott666_ | ah, i see |
| 20:10:19 | preglow | amiconn: codec thread |
| 20:10:34 | DpK|Cronic | hi anyone here how can me install the source for rock box over WINDOWS DESKTOP REMOTE? PLEASE :( |
| 20:10:34 | amiconn | perfect... |
| 20:10:38 | ep0ch_ | :) |
| 20:10:45 | preglow | amiconn: exactly |
| 20:10:50 | * | scott666_ has no idea how much of the apple firmware has been reverse engineered |
| 20:10:57 | scott666_ | DpK|Cronic: no |
| 20:11:07 | romanos_melodos | how the heck did u guys managed to chroot inside ipod and other mp3 players anyway.. :P |
| 20:11:21 | linuxstb | scott666_: I think IPL mainly work with the bootloader and diagnostics mode code. That's a lot more managable than retailos. |
| 20:11:23 | DpK|Cronic | wuah scott666_ :( you are bad ^^ my cys does not start ! |
| 20:11:48 | ep0ch_ | did anyone test boost ratio for .mod on ipod? |
| 20:12:26 | amiconn | preglow: Uhm, does dsp also handle voice mixing? That might cause difficulties... |
| 20:12:28 | DpK|Cronic | scott666_ or can you give me a step by step documention from yoU? ^^ also in qry.. |
| 20:12:38 | preglow | amiconn: no, playback engine does that, i'm afraid |
| 20:12:42 | ep0ch_ | i see that .mod playback has some icode in it so i may do another test with and without linuxstbs no icode patch |
| 20:13:23 | amiconn | preglow: Why afraid? |
| 20:13:36 | romanos_melodos | i wanna lay back and smoke pot |
| 20:13:45 | klrspz | meeeeeeeeeee too |
| 20:13:53 | preglow | amiconn: because that means data sharing |
| 20:13:57 | ep0ch_ | preglow: going to commit the libmad opts sometime? |
| 20:14:02 | preglow | ep0ch_: yeah, today |
| 20:14:05 | ep0ch_ | wahoo |
| 20:14:23 | amiconn | preglow: Didn't you say output buffers are in iram? |
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| 20:16:29 | preglow | amiconn: not after dsp |
| 20:16:36 | amiconn | Hmmm... |
| 20:16:43 | preglow | amiconn: then they're stuffed in the pcmbuf |
| 20:16:52 | ep0ch_ | hmm if core 2 speed is half of core 1, then core 2 would be sh!t slow when unboosted |
| 20:16:53 | amiconn | Anyway, there's another problem with voice & dual core operation: |
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| 20:17:48 | amiconn | Today, codec & voice are interlocked and swapped in & out as necessary. This is no longer possible (or at least very undesirable) with dual core operation, |
| 20:18:40 | amiconn | ep0ch_: The cores are equally fast, but the second core can be throttled |
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| 20:19:59 | DpK|Cronic | can anyone help me with the installation of cygwin? |
| 20:20:45 | scott666_ | Mr. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide can |
| 20:22:12 | DpK|Cronic | which paket i needed? |
| 20:22:14 | julius | linuxstb, I inserted the whole block of code from here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/hardware.c?r1=1.11&r2=1.12 see Line 362, without the if statement, but I still don't have any power on pin 11. do you have any more ideas? |
| 20:23:04 | DpK|Cronic | are this the paket? http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 |
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| 20:23:11 | preglow | we'll need to experiment a great deal with the cache to find out how it works |
| 20:23:18 | preglow | if it's write-through or what |
| 20:24:13 | DpK|Cronic | scott666_ where is the paket how i need to install ? |
| 20:25:08 | scott666_ | what the hell is a paket? |
| 20:30:12 | klrspz | packet as in set of instructions |
| 20:30:14 | klrspz | i'm sure |
| 20:30:43 | scott666_ | in that context though? |
| 20:31:21 | klrspz | fuck if i know |
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| 20:33:19 | * | goffa thinks he should get nap-time at work after lunch |
| 20:33:30 | goffa | kinda like kindergarden |
| 20:35:23 | goffa | i should be awake after riding my bike uphill against the wind |
| 20:37:56 | DpK|Cronic | " Set local Packet Directory" scott666_ that was i mean |
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| 20:40:56 | Nepo | hill ^^ |
| 20:41:01 | Nepo | hi@all ^^ |
| 20:41:09 | DpK|Cronic | hi |
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| 20:41:51 | DpK|Cronic | where is the PACKET how i need to install cygwin? :( |
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| 20:42:36 | preglow | this is weird |
| 20:42:42 | lostlogic | goffa: I always tell them we shoul dhav enap time after work |
| 20:42:46 | lostlogic | we all enter food coma any way |
| 20:42:49 | PaulJam | DpK|Cronic: in about 10 minutes i can try to help you |
| 20:43:02 | preglow | someone skilled in coldfire recording, help from, request |
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| 20:43:11 | DpK|Cronic | kk :) PaulJam can you give me german supp on qry? or dont speak german? |
| 20:43:33 | goffa | yeah... we can't get anything done anyway :) |
| 20:44:19 | * | goffa thinks its the cold turkey (tryptophan) |
| 20:44:19 | PaulJam | DpK|Cronic: yes, i'm from germany |
| 20:44:32 | DpK|Cronic | nice one kannst mir qry support geben? |
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| 20:55:43 | preglow | bluebrother: ok, so we should use \setting instead of emph or ``'' now? |
| 20:55:58 | preglow | or is that just for describing menu entries? |
| 20:56:05 | bluebrother | yes, thats the intention. |
| 20:56:11 | preglow | former or latter? :> |
| 20:56:16 | bluebrother | the first ;-) |
| 20:56:19 | preglow | good |
| 20:56:25 | preglow | i'll start changing some stuff in what i've written |
| 20:56:38 | bluebrother | so we have all menu entries the same style −− atm it's kind of mixed. |
| 20:57:05 | bluebrother | I was just about adding this to the LatexGuidelines wiki page ;-) |
| 20:59:02 | goffa | n |
| 20:59:07 | goffa | oops |
| 20:59:34 | goffa | http://news.com.com/Nintendo+Revolution+renamed+Wii/2100-1043_3-6065801.html |
| 20:59:48 | * | goffa wants some of what the people at nintendo are smoking.. must be good stuff |
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| 21:01:35 | DarkJesus | You lot don't like the name? |
| 21:01:40 | DarkJesus | I think it's fine |
| 21:01:50 | ep0ch_ | wii fine? |
| 21:02:22 | ep0ch_ | its stupid and they're having a laugh |
| 21:02:45 | goffa | its just silly |
| 21:03:54 | preglow | i rather think they think they're being really clever now |
| 21:03:55 | preglow | haha |
| 21:04:05 | preglow | can't say i like it |
| 21:04:17 | DarkJesus | It's gonna be a brilliant console anyway, so who cares? |
| 21:04:33 | goffa | *puff* Further, Nintendo said, the written name is meant to visually conjure up the image of two people standing together. *exhale* |
| 21:04:49 | preglow | it fails in that |
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| 21:05:10 | preglow | unless their shiny logo is going to typeset the is as people standing together |
| 21:05:46 | DarkJesus | Who cares? |
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| 21:07:22 | goffa | i just don't think that the name is going to sell the box |
| 21:07:29 | goffa | i think revolution was a better name |
| 21:07:38 | preglow | bluebrother: perhaps we should small case the string before feeding it to \textsc |
| 21:07:52 | preglow | i don't like the capped first letter |
| 21:07:57 | goffa | i think they are going to sell a lot of them though... and so the new buzz word will be wii |
| 21:08:23 | preglow | well, it sure looks like it'll be fun |
| 21:08:49 | preglow | and if they stick through with making a snes emu on it, then hell, i just might be one for kicks |
| 21:08:53 | preglow | snes > * |
| 21:09:01 | goffa | "whee" would have been better but i guess that doesn't put a mental picture of people standing in line to get one :) |
| 21:09:05 | preglow | s/be/buy/... |
| 21:09:12 | bluebrother | preglow: we can do latex this for us. |
| 21:09:26 | bluebrother | *let do |
| 21:09:37 | preglow | bluebrother: yeah, that's what i meant, i just don't know how |
| 21:10:01 | bluebrother | so if we decide to switch to something else (maybe italics or something else) the spelling should be like in the device itself. |
| 21:10:19 | bluebrother | afaics this is every first letter of menu entries is capitalized. |
| 21:10:56 | bluebrother | I need to look how we can lowercase everything, but I think we should wait some days and wait for the reactions to the new style ;-) |
| 21:10:59 | * | petur wonders why there's an ipod bugreport in the 3.0 buglist |
| 21:13:16 | preglow | bluebrother: i like it, i just think the first letters should be small caps too |
| 21:14:20 | preglow | which means we need to lowercase them before sending them to \textsc, but yeah, no hurry |
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| 21:22:16 | petur | hmmm I just installed a voice file and now it hangs at boot - AAARGH |
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| 21:28:13 | tucoz | bluebrother, your new commit looks good |
| 21:28:23 | bluebrother | thanks. |
| 21:28:46 | bluebrother | I decided to commit it so others could have a look on it ;-) |
| 21:29:05 | tucoz | I would be surprised if people do not like it |
| 21:29:40 | bluebrother | hehe ... |
| 21:30:14 | bluebrother | I'd vote also for removing paragraph indents and instead using a greater parskip. But this seems to be somewhat controversical. |
| 21:30:26 | preglow | hrmph |
| 21:30:33 | preglow | i like parindent |
| 21:30:36 | klrspz | big update? |
| 21:30:50 | bluebrother | btw, I wasn't aware of the capital "H" modifier for floats. Really nice. |
| 21:31:06 | bluebrother | as I said, its somewhat controversical ;-) |
| 21:31:25 | tucoz | Yes, it seems to work better than the old way. I am looking at the nonfloat package at the moment |
| 21:33:03 | tucoz | what does parskip do? more white space between the paragraphs? |
| 21:33:17 | bluebrother | yup. |
| 21:33:42 | preglow | it just uses parskip instead of parindent to mark paragraphs |
| 21:33:50 | tucoz | I see. I have no strong opinion in that camp. What looks good works for me :) |
| 21:34:01 | preglow | the usual way is for parskip=0 and a parindent of around one em |
| 21:34:15 | preglow | but i guess i can forgive parskip paragraphs in a manual |
| 21:34:29 | preglow | in other literature i'd shoot however used parskip :) |
| 21:34:43 | bluebrother | I have this in my local build (to get a vision of it and me likes this better for the manual): |
| 21:34:47 | bluebrother | \addtolength{\parskip}{.4\baselineskip} |
| 21:34:47 | bluebrother | \setlength{\parindent}{0cm} |
| 21:34:53 | tucoz | I'll try it |
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| 21:35:55 | bluebrother | preglow: I agree with you on other literature. But for the manual I find the parindents somewhat strange. |
| 21:36:06 | preglow | wouldn't you use one entire baselineskip for the parskip, btw? |
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| 21:36:31 | preglow | one should always skip a whole line at a time |
| 21:36:42 | bluebrother | I played with it a bit and liked this spacing most as it's otherwise really much space. |
| 21:37:06 | bluebrother | we're not on typewriters anymore, so no need to hold on lines ;-) |
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| 21:37:24 | tucoz | Looks good |
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| 21:37:29 | preglow | bluebrother: ah, no, it's just overall a general typographic rule |
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| 21:37:48 | scott666_ | DpK|Cronic: heres the file you were asking for yesterday: http://www.filelodge.com/files/room17/439627/Rockamp-red.zip |
| 21:37:49 | preglow | try to keep material baseline aligned so it doesn't look weird when you're viewing several pages at once |
| 21:38:04 | preglow | where the hell did that 'material' come frmo |
| 21:38:11 | tucoz | hehe |
| 21:38:28 | preglow | but anywho, it's just nitpicking |
| 21:38:33 | tucoz | been drinking again, eh ;) |
| 21:38:51 | preglow | oh, i wish |
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| 21:38:57 | preglow | i almost need to to handle this dreary weather |
| 21:39:20 | tucoz | For a change, it's pretty nice here atm |
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| 21:39:57 | aaronslife | hello, does anyone know when the iPod Video will have better charging capabilities with rockbox? |
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| 21:40:27 | klrspz | how often should i update my binary? |
| 21:40:39 | tucoz | bluebrother, what do you think of some guidelines when referring to a key-table. Sometimes it is Keys: followed by the table |
| 21:40:56 | tucoz | and sometimes we simply show the table |
| 21:41:05 | bluebrother | sorry, need to go for some time. See you later. |
| 21:41:12 | tucoz | See you |
| 21:41:39 | aaronslife | klrspz I'd say every month or week. depending on if your really into getting new features. |
| 21:41:40 | tucoz | klrspz, I would recommend: As often as you like |
| 21:41:58 | tucoz | I update almost daily :) |
| 21:42:09 | klrspz | yeah iwas thinkin of doin that |
| 21:42:14 | aaronslife | =]]] |
| 21:42:17 | aaronslife | =] |
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| 21:42:51 | aaronslife | quick question... whats rockbox programmed in? |
| 21:43:05 | preglow | anyone know what the idle timeout triggers on? |
| 21:43:06 | klrspz | c |
| 21:43:09 | tucoz | But if you are happy with the current state, then just keep an eye on the front page for fixes to bugs |
| 21:43:15 | aaronslife | thx klrspz |
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| 21:43:33 | tucoz | or target specific changes |
| 21:43:34 | aaronslife | see you guys later! |
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| 21:44:13 | klrspz | 060426-2123 is the latest bleeding build? |
| 21:44:45 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
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| 21:45:09 | klrspz | yeah that's what i got |
| 21:45:25 | tucoz | those are the latest bleeding edge builds |
| 21:45:40 | klrspz | k, guess i'm up to date then |
| 21:45:59 | klrspz | if i can finish installing this mod on this guy's ps2 tonight, i'm going to build me some wps' |
| 21:46:45 | tucoz | And especially now, there have been lots of fixes to the playback-system. So, a bleeding edge could potentially be worse than your previous build |
| 21:48:31 | scott666_ | i think rockbox could use micro-releases |
| 21:48:42 | scott666_ | just daily build that are 'pretty good' |
| 21:48:59 | scott666_ | so you can get one of those instead of the bleed edge with loots of new bugs added |
| 21:49:06 | scott666_ | *bleeding |
| 21:49:22 | scott666_ | but maybe thatd just be more trouble than its worth |
| 21:49:39 | klrspz | tucoz, i saved my previous binary just in case :) |
| 21:50:12 | tucoz | klrspz, I think the last 30 or so builds are available on the server |
| 21:50:35 | klrspz | yeah |
| 21:50:49 | klrspz | i was seeing if i could rename the files on the fly then reboot and use the binary |
| 21:51:54 | klrspz | and i can |
| 21:52:20 | tucoz | :) |
| 21:52:32 | klrspz | so while i'm stuck in traffic after work (a 20mi drive takes me 1.25 hours in this shitty area) i can switch binaries if it bails out on me |
| 21:53:14 | preglow | libmad patches commited |
| 21:53:20 | tucoz | w00t |
| 21:53:21 | preglow | please try and give feedback |
| 21:53:28 | klrspz | yay for smoothie day |
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| 21:54:21 | * | petur swears at the voice stuff |
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| 21:55:29 | KlrSpz | yeah the voice thing just kept saying "x" to me |
| 21:55:31 | KlrSpz | over and over |
| 21:55:34 | KlrSpz | it was kinda creepy |
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| 21:55:45 | webguest84 | my browser shows the latest bleeding edge build to be 26 Apr 20:22 is that the latest, someone mentioned 21:23 |
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| 21:56:48 | KlrSpz | i dl'd 060426-2123 from the link |
| 21:56:52 | KlrSpz | but it was yesterday's date |
| 21:57:12 | petur | my bleeding edge is just a minute ago :P |
| 21:57:16 | KlrSpz | 2006-04-27 19:53 seems to be the latest timestamp on my browser |
| 21:57:17 | webguest84 | ah ok, thanks |
| 21:57:26 | KlrSpz | err wait, that's not built yet |
| 21:57:37 | webguest84 | I see there's one in the pipeline as we speak |
| 21:57:43 | KlrSpz | Build expected to complete around 19:59:45 (in 6mins 35secs) |
| 21:57:54 | KlrSpz | yeah, i'm gunna grab that one in a bit |
| 21:58:16 | KlrSpz | i was looking at the diff, not sure if i can be much help now... looks like a bunch of magic numbers |
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| 21:58:52 | KlrSpz | not THE diff, but A diff, sorry |
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| 21:59:57 | amiconn | preglow: I've finally found the spot of the jumptable size bug in the gcc sources. Now I only need a less hackish way of fixing it... |
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| 22:00:18 | KlrSpz | one thing i noticed, is that when i change tracks, that BEEP sound only is audible like 1 out of 7-10 times i click the button... |
| 22:00:46 | amiconn | preglow: Do you know by chance which macro tells me the minimum required alignment in the .text section? |
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| 22:05:17 | petur | amiconn: had a weird freeze at boot after I copied a voice file, but am unable to reproduce :( know anything about this? |
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| 22:06:15 | amiconn | Hmm. Do you have resume on startup enabled, or manually tried to resume before rockbox was fully booted? |
| 22:06:33 | petur | none |
| 22:07:10 | petur | used bootloader usb to copy the file over, then let it boot but got an empty screen and hang |
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| 22:08:25 | petur | wanted to try the bugreport about recording and voice and ended up experiencing this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3851 |
| 22:08:28 | amiconn | Then I don't know. However, I do know that there are still quirks like that in playback and voice |
| 22:09:51 | lostlogic | petur: there are still a few people having problems with bootup with a voice file present, but most people don't... I hate bugs like that. |
| 22:10:40 | * | lostlogic hopes the bugs in voice and playback resolve themselves while he's gone for 4 days starting now |
| 22:10:49 | petur | must be voice init because it froze without me having anything voice related enabled |
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| 22:11:14 | * | petur wishes lostlogic a nice time in Paris |
| 22:11:51 | petur | lostlogic: beware, sometimes it's cheaper to order wine than water there! |
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| 22:12:09 | petur | and don't expect much of the food |
| 22:12:10 | Mikachu | lostlogic: have fun |
| 22:14:01 | lostlogic | petur: yeah, I've heard about the lack of free water in restaurants... so I'm bringing my 3 litre hydration pack. |
| 22:14:04 | lostlogic | Mikachu: thanks :) |
| 22:14:16 | lostlogic | later rockbox :) |
| 22:15:01 | petur | lostlogic: restaurants normally give tap water free - not always |
| 22:15:29 | petur | oh, and drive three hours extra and visit me :) |
| 22:16:41 | lostlogic | :-P |
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| 22:18:04 | preglow | lostlogic: wha, you're goin away? |
| 22:18:35 | lostlogic | yes, as soon as I finish shutting down and packing up around my workspace, I'm going to Paris, with no computers for the weekend. |
| 22:18:44 | preglow | paris, of all places |
| 22:18:52 | preglow | i thought you had seen europe now :) |
| 22:21:13 | * | petur pours himself a cognac |
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| 22:21:43 | saratoga | hay, i just noticed the new libmad changes |
| 22:21:53 | saratoga | it looks like an amazing amount of work was done on it |
| 22:22:14 | saratoga | are any benchmarks available for arm or coldfire for the new changes? |
| 22:22:15 | preglow | indeed |
| 22:22:22 | preglow | 19% gain for coldfire |
| 22:22:27 | preglow | 10% less boost at 320kbps for arm |
| 22:22:39 | saratoga | how much boost is needed? |
| 22:22:45 | preglow | depends on the file |
| 22:22:50 | preglow | 320kbps on arm = 62% boost |
| 22:22:53 | preglow | way too much still |
| 22:22:58 | preglow | but it used to be higher |
| 22:23:01 | saratoga | yeah thats a lot |
| 22:23:15 | preglow | on coldfire it's very fast now |
| 22:23:49 | saratoga | what makes coldfire so much faster? |
| 22:23:54 | preglow | god knowsn |
| 22:23:58 | preglow | a more sane arch |
| 22:24:05 | saratoga | yeah |
| 22:24:15 | saratoga | i was looking into how loads are handled on the arm7 |
| 22:24:17 | saratoga | its retarded |
| 22:24:21 | saratoga | just to save a few transistors |
| 22:24:26 | saratoga | but still |
| 22:24:31 | preglow | i'm not too fond of load-store |
| 22:24:38 | saratoga | is coldfire all that much better ? |
| 22:24:44 | preglow | well, i think it's slightly better |
| 22:24:50 | preglow | even though you do end up with more code most of the time |
| 22:25:04 | saratoga | thats why i assumed, but it makes such a huge difference running the same c code? |
| 22:25:12 | saratoga | is there a lot of 68k assembly or something |
| 22:25:16 | preglow | well, apparently |
| 22:25:30 | preglow | sometimes the same code is faster on arm, sometimes not |
| 22:25:32 | preglow | hard to see a pattern |
| 22:25:42 | preglow | but dsp seems to be faster on coldfire altogether, at least |
| 22:25:50 | saratoga | yeah |
| 22:26:00 | saratoga | well arm can't pipeline loads or stores |
| 22:26:11 | saratoga | so its going to lose anytime you have to work on a large data set |
| 22:26:23 | saratoga | since you basically stall on every load and store |
| 22:26:30 | * | amiconn realises that we only use -O for the core on all archs |
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| 22:27:07 | amiconn | Maybe we should use -O2 instead (except archos of course, where we'll most likely switch to -Os)? |
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| 22:28:58 | saratoga | does O2 make a big difference? |
| 22:29:10 | adiamas | i have the cvs pull from 4/11 and my volume seems weird. on the archos rec 20 for the vol to be resonable I have to bring the setting down to -14. Anyone having this? |
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| 22:29:43 | amiconn | adiamas: Seems you didn't update for a loooooooooong time? |
| 22:29:52 | adiamas | nods |
| 22:29:56 | adiamas | to say the least :) |
| 22:29:57 | amiconn | Volume uses dB for quite some time now |
| 22:30:09 | preglow | amiconn: worth a shot |
| 22:30:12 | preglow | amiconn: i thought we got errors |
| 22:30:21 | preglow | saratoga: yeah, the loads seem to kill a lot of the advantage |
| 22:30:24 | adiamas | hehe that would make more sense then.. |
| 22:30:28 | * | amiconn is building with -O2 for H300 right now |
| 22:30:29 | preglow | also, the 64 bit multiplier seems to be slow |
| 22:30:31 | preglow | hooray for that |
| 22:30:33 | adiamas | still confusing for me since I don't know dB lol |
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| 22:31:10 | saratoga | It looks like apple is ditching portal player |
| 22:31:18 | saratoga | so maybe we'll get arm9 on future ipods |
| 22:31:21 | * | goffa guesses new patch will improve battery life? |
| 22:31:28 | saratoga | that has sane pipeling |
| 22:31:33 | saratoga | pipelineing |
| 22:31:54 | webguest02 | hello!!! |
| 22:31:58 | webguest02 | heloo |
| 22:32:05 | webguest02 | hello anybody |
| 22:32:07 | saratoga | also, what 64 multiplier ? ARM7 doesn't have one :) |
| 22:32:13 | tucoz | hello webguest02 |
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| 22:32:24 | tucoz | :) |
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| 22:34:21 | preglow | saratoga: it does? |
| 22:34:28 | preglow | saratoga: sure arm7 does |
| 22:34:32 | preglow | saratoga: look up smull and smlal |
| 22:35:38 | Mikachu | random filenames are showing up in apple's about screen |
| 22:35:42 | saratoga | i don't remember that, have to look it up |
| 22:35:51 | Mikachu | what is the title supposed to be in that screen? |
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| 22:36:10 | preglow | saratoga: i use them all the time, so at least i know they exist :) |
| 22:36:41 | saratoga | are you doing a lot of assembly code for the ipod? |
| 22:37:10 | amiconn | preglow: warnings with -O2 ... |
| 22:37:16 | amiconn | playback.c:694: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 22:37:29 | amiconn | That's in fact the only one, twice for the same line |
| 22:38:05 | amiconn | rockbox.iriver size increases by ~5% |
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| 22:40:09 | preglow | amiconn: i get a zillion of those for doom with 4.1 |
| 22:40:25 | preglow | amiconn: can you think of any way to measure performance increases? |
| 22:40:53 | amiconn | Not really. |
| 22:41:37 | preglow | perhaps the lcd benchmark plugin? |
| 22:41:40 | amiconn | Boost ratio is a rather coarse measure |
| 22:41:41 | preglow | or is that all asm, these days |
| 22:41:56 | amiconn | The data transfer is all asm on H300 |
| 22:42:02 | preglow | lostlogic: does the null output patch still work? :> |
| 22:42:21 | amiconn | The upper layer is C, but I doubt it has much influence |
| 22:42:38 | amiconn | The drawing routines might profit from -O2 |
| 22:42:46 | preglow | perhaps |
| 22:42:51 | preglow | but yeah, the codecs already are -O3 |
| 22:42:52 | preglow | -O2 <- |
| 22:43:04 | amiconn | Yes, as well as plugins |
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| 22:43:22 | amiconn | That's why I know that the sh-elf-gcc bug also hits with -O2 |
| 22:43:23 | preglow | i can't think of any testable scenarios where the core has much to say |
| 22:43:30 | amiconn | gfx |
| 22:44:01 | amiconn | Oops |
| 22:44:14 | amiconn | -O2 build crashes within a second |
| 22:44:26 | amiconn | IBC: at 32F001C2 |
| 22:44:43 | Purgatory | hello |
| 22:45:20 | Purgatory | i've got a problem with installing on my nano |
| 22:45:46 | amiconn | This is codec ram... |
| 22:45:54 | Purgatory | when i type: ipodpatcher 0 in cmd |
| 22:46:11 | Purgatory | it says: Drive is not an ipod, aborting |
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| 22:47:13 | Purgatory | oh |
| 22:47:15 | Purgatory | wait |
| 22:47:31 | Purgatory | got it :) |
| 22:47:35 | Purgatory | my bad |
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| 22:52:44 | preglow | amiconn: weird |
| 22:52:56 | amiconn | preglow: gcc... |
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| 22:57:26 | bluebrother | tucoz: I'm back for some time ... |
| 22:57:29 | scott666_ | hooray, i just complied rockbox |
| 22:58:56 | bluebrother | tucoz: I was thinking we should generally not write "the following table" but refer to it with either its caption numbering or let the user find the table itself. |
| 22:59:05 | preglow | agreed |
| 22:59:17 | bluebrother | which would imply giving all tables reasonable captions. |
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| 23:09:18 | amiconn | preglow: The optimised libmad reduces boosting of 320kbps mp3 files to 4% on H300. With Hold enabled, it's 0% |
| 23:09:42 | preglow | why would hold affect it? |
| 23:09:43 | Purgatory | rockbox rocks! |
| 23:09:57 | Purgatory | thanks |
| 23:09:59 | amiconn | preglow: Hold disabled the ADC read from the PCF |
| 23:10:06 | amiconn | *disables |
| 23:10:12 | preglow | what the hell? that requires so much? |
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| 23:11:17 | amiconn | Well, it's a bit-banging i2c driver, called HZ times per second |
| 23:11:40 | preglow | still sounds like a lot to me |
| 23:11:42 | amiconn | That's _after_ my optimisation work, imagine what the load was before... |
| 23:12:02 | goffa | i don't know who gave me the tip to get out of wps and go into a menu to save battery, but thanks |
| 23:12:08 | preglow | and why bit-banging? weren't these morons clever enough to use a pin that's got a hardware interface? |
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| 23:12:20 | goffa | player has been playing for an hour (after it shut off) |
| 23:12:27 | amiconn | preglow: Nope. i2c in irivers is quite strange |
| 23:12:44 | momo3 | http://israel.275mb.com/index3.php |
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| 23:13:03 | preglow | Bagder: these hex address writes of yours makes us look like ipl! |
| 23:13:05 | amiconn | In fact I was wrong. The difference in boosting is caused by the backlight being on vs. off, i.e. lcd updates |
| 23:13:09 | Bagder | I know |
| 23:13:25 | Bagder | I'll search/replace them to something nicish soon |
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| 23:13:40 | preglow | amiconn: makes a ton more sense |
| 23:13:50 | * | goffa wonders what the least cpu intensive wps is |
| 23:13:57 | goffa | i thought engineer2 would be pretty low |
| 23:14:00 | preglow | goffa: an empty one |
| 23:14:15 | amiconn | Still, the pcf i2c draws considerable power. About 3..4% at normal & high frequency |
| 23:14:27 | goffa | does next track eat up that much cpu? |
| 23:14:37 | goffa | or playing next or whatever? |
| 23:14:43 | Bagder | goffa: make a patch that stops updating everything when the LCD/backlight is off to compare |
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| 23:15:15 | goffa | Bagder: i'll do that right after i learn c :) |
| 23:15:28 | Bagder | ah, that'll be tomorrow morning then? ;-P |
| 23:15:47 | amiconn | Bagder: What do you think about the switch path to gcc 3.4.x and -Os for archos? |
| 23:15:53 | amiconn | Imho we have 2 options |
| 23:16:49 | goffa | Bagder: uh... doubt it |
| 23:17:28 | goffa | i think i may have sams learn c in 24 hours at home too |
| 23:17:42 | goffa | maybe i'll skim that and learn it in 4... :P |
| 23:17:50 | amiconn | (1) The solid & slow way. First, require a patched gcc 3.3.x. When all build servers are upgraded, introduce -Os, and check for patched gcc in configure. Finally, require a patched gcc 3.4.x |
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| 23:18:41 | goffa | that is a good idea though... not update when lcd is off |
| 23:18:50 | Bagder | goffa: yes it is |
| 23:18:58 | Bagder | but somewhat tricky |
| 23:18:59 | goffa | would save a TON of battery |
| 23:19:33 | amiconn | (2) The fast way. Start with few build servers: Install patched gcc 3.4.x, update configure with the check, and add -Os. Disable sh builds for all servers which are not yet upgraded |
| 23:19:47 | preglow | i say (2) |
| 23:19:50 | preglow | less time wasted |
| 23:19:51 | Bagder | I say (2) |
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| 23:20:05 | amiconn | (1) has the advantage of a smooth transition, but requires an additional step of patching & installing gcc 3.3.x |
| 23:20:27 | amiconn | (2) is faster, but requires upgrading gcc in a short timeframe |
| 23:20:29 | Bagder | so why is that smooth? |
| 23:20:52 | Bagder | you still need to patch and rebuild gcc |
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| 23:21:10 | amiconn | (1) is smooth because all build servers can continue to build for archos, upgrading one by one |
| 23:21:25 | goffa | Bagder: is your lcd/wps idea in the feature request yet? (probably is but figured i'd ask) |
| 23:21:39 | amiconn | The problem is that we can't switch to -Os without the patch and that we can't swotch to gcc 3.4.x without -Os |
| 23:21:46 | Bagder | amiconn: I thought you said (1) would "require a patched gcc 3.3.x". how can any build server continue then? |
| 23:22:10 | ep0ch_ | is everyone elses ipod hard disk dog slow? |
| 23:22:14 | Bagder | goffa: I don't think it is, but we've discussed it a lot so it is "common knowledge" among the devs |
| 23:22:37 | amiconn | Bagder: (1) is done in steps. The first step would be to install a patched gcc 3.3.x. At this point it's not yet required because we don't use -Os yet |
| 23:22:44 | Bagder | aah |
| 23:22:48 | Bagder | now I get it |
| 23:22:52 | amiconn | Only after all build servers are updated, we would introduce -Os |
| 23:23:02 | Mikachu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lby0i0TUvQ |
| 23:23:06 | amiconn | Then we would see the first benefit |
| 23:23:10 | goffa | there was that guy in the forum looking for something to do... maybe i should suggest it to him... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3742.0 |
| 23:23:19 | amiconn | (recorder v1 binary size reduced by ~8KB) |
| 23:23:34 | muesli__ | damn it..last experimental build crashes after every song |
| 23:23:42 | Bagder | I still say (2) |
| 23:23:45 | preglow | and that's why it's experimental! |
| 23:23:48 | amiconn | After that, the build servers would be upgraded to a patched gcc 3.4.x, which gives another ~4KB |
| 23:24:06 | crashd | preglow: has those libmad patches been submitted yet? |
| 23:24:19 | preglow | crashd: yeah |
| 23:24:21 | Mikachu | amiconn: how much did my inline stuff give? |
| 23:24:24 | muesli__ | preglow i wouldnt use it..but its the only way to get my h3ll lcd working properly :o |
| 23:24:34 | muesli__ | h300 |
| 23:24:43 | amiconn | Mikachu: Ahem, don't remember. Does it still apply? |
| 23:24:48 | Mikachu | don't know |
| 23:24:53 | goffa | i threw the idea at him.. we'll see what happens (if he still checks the forum) |
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| 23:25:27 | Mikachu | amiconn: probably not the hunks in playback.c :) |
| 23:25:33 | amiconn | ahaha |
| 23:25:40 | amiconn | 'course |
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| 23:25:58 | amiconn | But these aren't relevant for archos (yet) |
| 23:26:28 | Mikachu | 14:05 <amiconn> your patch saves 496 bytes on archos recorder |
| 23:26:56 | amiconn | Hmm, not bad as another extra gain... |
| 23:26:57 | Bagder | now there's a man in control of his logs! ;-) |
| 23:27:12 | * | amiconn should fetch the latest logs |
| 23:27:20 | amiconn | Way more convenient for searching |
| 23:27:31 | preglow | Mikachu: waht pathc? |
| 23:27:35 | Bagder | maybe I should setup the logs for rsyncing |
| 23:27:47 | Mikachu | preglow: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox_apps-inline2.patch (outdated) |
| 23:27:55 | amiconn | Bagder: Not necessary, Firefox + DownThemAll is sufficient |
| 23:27:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:27:57 | Mikachu | but you get the general idea |
| 23:28:16 | Bagder | amiconn: well, rsyncing is easier for automatic jobs |
| 23:28:26 | preglow | just a bunch of inlines |
| 23:28:26 | preglow | ? |
| 23:28:31 | Mikachu | preglow: yes |
| 23:28:37 | preglow | why does that make the binary smaller? :> |
| 23:28:44 | Mikachu | preglow: those functions are only called from one place |
| 23:28:48 | preglow | roit |
| 23:29:46 | amiconn | Mikachu: Perhaps the gain is much less when using -Os, since gcc might figure out these things itself |
| 23:30:33 | Mikachu | i don't know, there is a -finline-functions, but it's only enabled at -O3 |
| 23:31:17 | amiconn | Hmm, worth a test |
| 23:31:53 | amiconn | The only thing holding me back from providing the gcc patch is that I want to do a proper fix. :/ |
| 23:32:16 | amiconn | I know where the fix has to go, just not which macro (or function) to use... |
| 23:33:18 | amiconn | Mikachu: The tagcache part probably won't apply as well |
| 23:34:21 | preglow | amiconn: tried asking the gcc people? |
| 23:34:29 | amiconn | hmpf :/ |
| 23:35:22 | * | amiconn much prefers the helpful people at #rockbox over the gcc people |
| 23:35:28 | preglow | yes, indeed |
| 23:35:42 | preglow | but we don't know much about gcc :P |
| 23:36:22 | amiconn | \: fpmh |
| 23:37:30 | preglow | i'd truly love to try to understand it one day, but as of now, no |
| 23:37:43 | sharpe | what about making the, rbcc? rockbox c compiler? ahah... i'm so funny... :( |
| 23:37:58 | preglow | haha |
| 23:37:58 | preglow | well |
| 23:38:01 | preglow | we might end up with that |
| 23:38:12 | preglow | i know of a couple of coldfire based patches we might want to include as well |
| 23:39:30 | amiconn | Hah, the bug is still present in 4.10, and it's in a generic source file |
| 23:40:00 | amiconn | (although in a part that is #ifdef CASE_VECTOR_SHORTEN_MODE, which in turn is only defined for SH) |
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| 23:43:23 | ep0ch_ | Slasheri: are there any notes on dircache? its not working for me anymore and i was wondering what the limits of it are... |
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| 23:44:11 | preglow | limits should be ample |
| 23:44:13 | preglow | check the debug screenm |
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| 23:45:26 | ep0ch_ | aint working for me, says cache isn't initialized, last size=458132 B, scanning took 0s, entry count = 8152 |
| 23:46:11 | dwihno_ | dir cache + on boot resume = lots of buffer underruns on ipod |
| 23:46:11 | preglow | damn |
| 23:46:17 | preglow | that's quite a number of files |
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| 23:46:29 | ep0ch_ | yeah sids and mods init :) |
| 23:46:39 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 23:46:46 | preglow | those will _kill_ dircache, you know |
| 23:47:04 | preglow | rape it right up the ass |
| 23:47:14 | ep0ch_ | i propose rockbox has a non dircache directory |
| 23:47:19 | preglow | perhaps some hybrid mode should be devised :P |
| 23:47:29 | preglow | that's hardly KISS, though |
| 23:47:37 | preglow | so it really vote against it |
| 23:47:40 | preglow | s/it/i/ |
| 23:47:49 | preglow | unless slasheri tells me it's very simple to do |
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| 23:50:11 | ep0ch_ | 4 channel mods boost by 21% on ipod |
| 23:50:36 | preglow | ouchouchouchouch |
| 23:50:37 | ep0ch_ | i though arm chips were super effecient :s |
| 23:50:43 | ep0ch_ | thought |
| 23:50:47 | preglow | that doesn't bode well at all |
| 23:51:09 | ep0ch_ | there's something not right going on well at all with codec performance |
| 23:51:19 | ep0ch_ | yeah that made sense |
| 23:52:25 | ep0ch_ | there's a massive overhead with mp3 irrelavant of the bitrate |
| 23:53:31 | preglow | i know |
| 23:53:39 | preglow | i'm going to find out when i write the profile parser |
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| 23:58:33 | preglow | god, i'm starting to hate arm |
| 23:58:36 | * | preglow misses coldfire |
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