00:00:00 | markun | I thought there was a free assembler for the dsp |
00:00:09 | Bagder | yes |
00:00:28 | Bagder | but there's no docs for the DM320 |
00:00:30 | preglow | ti dsp, yes? |
00:00:38 | Bagder | C5409 dsp |
00:00:44 | Bagder | TI |
00:00:49 | preglow | i only coded motorola dsps |
00:01:43 | Bagder | amiconn: and the 4.0.X is the best? |
00:01:51 | amiconn | Yes |
00:02:23 | amiconn | There's a strange warning in sudoku.c still - a variable might be used uninitialized. |
00:02:24 | Bagder | it struck me that we can let configure check gcc version and change options depending on that |
00:02:27 | Bagder | during transition |
00:02:52 | amiconn | This warning doesn't pop up on ipod, even though ipod also uses gcc 4 |
00:03:00 | Mikachu | maybe it's ifdeffed? |
00:03:09 | amiconn | Nope |
00:03:31 | amiconn | sudoku.c:353 |
00:03:39 | amiconn | gcc complains about x and y |
00:03:44 | amiconn | (on SH) |
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00:04:35 | amiconn | num is used in the same way - but gcc doesn't complain about num |
00:04:52 | Bagder | no, num is used differently |
00:05:01 | Bagder | within the scan() at least |
00:05:25 | amiconn | Ah, you think gcc inlines scan() ? |
00:05:33 | Bagder | just a thought |
00:05:45 | amiconn | Might in fact happen - that's what exposed the asm bugs in ata.c |
00:05:55 | Bagder | it is only used once too |
00:06:18 | Mikachu | isn't it silly to say it's unused if it inlines a function via them? |
00:06:35 | amiconn | Not unused, uninitialized |
00:06:48 | Bagder | and the warning seems accurate to me |
00:06:59 | amiconn | Not to me |
00:07:12 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact it does |
00:07:41 | amiconn | The pointers are passed to scan() - but that doesn't mean scan() _has_ to write something back |
00:08:04 | amiconn | Okay, I'll init to zero |
00:10:11 | Bagder | amiconn: my vote goes for detecting a patched version and then enable -Os and otherwise just do like today |
00:10:28 | Bagder | during a period |
00:10:33 | Mikachu | you could print a helpful message too |
00:10:38 | Bagder | yes |
00:10:41 | amiconn | Hmm. Perhaps print a notice message about missing patch and or old gcc? |
00:10:57 | Bagder | a big message with a pointer to more info |
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00:16:15 | amiconn | Patches uploaded |
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00:17:30 | amiconn | When detecting a patched gcc, we want -Os instead of -O |
00:18:02 | amiconn | Furthermore, we do want -Wno-pointer-sign for gcc 4 like for all other gcc 4 builds |
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00:19:48 | Bagder | I can fix the detect and have a gcc 4.0.X for SH setup for my build servers tomorrow |
00:20:08 | amiconn | ...and the script should warn when detecting an unpatched gcc, or a gcc < 4.0 |
00:20:18 | amiconn | (2 different warnings) |
00:20:22 | Bagder | yes |
00:21:14 | amiconn | The patched version identifies itself as "gcc-Version 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)" when called with sh-elf-gcc -v |
00:22:00 | amiconn | I will prepare such a compiler on my amd64 |
00:22:42 | amiconn | The good thing is that building the sh crosscompiler is way faster than with 3.3.x, since we don't need to build with newlib anymore |
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00:33:17 | Bagder | amiconn: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/configure-gcc4-sh.patch |
00:33:23 | Bagder | a first shot at it |
00:33:36 | Bagder | now I need to sleep |
00:33:53 | preglow | amiconn: i'm wondering if we perhaps should continue using the simple linear interpolator for the pitch screen, even if we move on to better resamplers |
00:34:17 | amiconn | Nite Bagder! |
00:34:18 | mirak | hi |
00:34:32 | preglow | i don't know if i'm eager to add "quickly calculatable coefs" as a design constraint |
00:34:50 | amiconn | Was just about to ask why... |
00:34:54 | mirak | I have a friend that took a belt, took a belt and hung himself, hung himself in the doorway of the appartment where he lived |
00:35:05 | mirak | nice song |
00:35:30 | mirak | well at first I wanted to say I have a friend who have the gmini 402 with the integrated camera |
00:35:35 | mirak | that's really impressive |
00:35:45 | amiconn | preglow: You did manage to make the current resampler click meanwhile? |
00:35:48 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
00:35:54 | preglow | not quite sure why it does yet |
00:35:58 | preglow | i can only make upsample() do it |
00:36:14 | mirak | I think I would have bought it instead of the H320 if it came earlier, however it doesn't support ogg. I think archos dropped ogg support |
00:36:19 | amiconn | Perhaps it happens when switching samplerates a lot |
00:36:22 | mirak | or never had. I am not sure |
00:36:34 | amiconn | I had it happen quite often when playing my mp3 testset |
00:36:38 | Mikachu | i think they only ever had mp3 |
00:36:39 | preglow | amiconn: that's quite besides the point, it happens when using a steady resampling ratio |
00:36:58 | preglow | there's no reason it shouldn't handle changing the rate a lot |
00:38:53 | amiconn | It should handle it, yes. but it seems to fail on that |
00:39:09 | amiconn | Once it starts clicking, it also clicks for integer upsample ratios |
00:39:15 | amiconn | (22.05 -> 44.1) |
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00:43:15 | * | amiconn wonders whether it's possible on linux to "redirect" paths, i.e. makes one user "see" paths different than others |
00:43:25 | Mikachu | it is |
00:43:35 | preglow | amiconn: is this from recent testing? |
00:43:41 | Mikachu | but it's not very well supported in userspace yet |
00:44:02 | amiconn | Would be handy for preparing a new gcc for replacing the old one, with the same prefix, but without removing the old one beforehand |
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00:45:11 | * | amiconn is trying to build sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3 on cygwin and linux-amd64 |
00:45:26 | amiconn | Mikachu: How? |
00:45:37 | Mikachu | private mounts |
00:45:42 | Mikachu | i think they call it |
00:45:51 | * | amiconn asks google |
00:46:01 | Mikachu | maybe namespaces also helps |
00:47:34 | Mikachu | i'm not sure if you need to go to such lengths though |
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00:48:30 | amiconn | I don't want to kill the automated builds while building the new gcc |
00:48:56 | Mikachu | won't make install just take a few seconds though? |
00:49:35 | amiconn | But perhaps I should just prepare a secondary gcc 3.3.6 with a different prefix, then switch paths in rbclient's script, then building the real thing |
00:49:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could do something like, install it to someplace outside the path, then change the path. |
00:50:11 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: That won't work due to the silly way linux handles libraries and such |
00:50:23 | Mikachu | haha |
00:50:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
00:50:33 | Mikachu | sorry, that was too funny |
00:50:41 | amiconn | Mikachu: Hardcoding paths in the binary _is_ silly |
00:50:59 | Mikachu | you're talking about rpath? |
00:51:09 | amiconn | That's one area where I think the windows way is better |
00:51:30 | Mikachu | no point in arguing about that here |
00:51:30 | amiconn | (looking for libraries in the search path instead of just one hardcoded place) |
00:52:04 | Mikachu | take a look at /etc/ld.so.conf and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
00:52:21 | Mikachu | and possibly chrpath |
00:52:55 | Mikachu | and if gcc is hardcoding the paths to its helper binaries, which i don't think it does, it's not a linux problem |
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01:40:39 | Mikachu | red idiot? |
01:41:03 | preglow | is that me? |
01:41:13 | Mikachu | no, akaidiota |
01:42:20 | preglow | red diota? |
01:42:37 | preglow | this makes no sense!! |
01:42:40 | Mikachu | aka is also red |
01:42:45 | preglow | i though akai was red |
01:42:46 | Mikachu | but in noun form |
01:42:52 | Mikachu | akai is adjective |
01:43:01 | preglow | riht |
01:43:02 | preglow | right |
01:43:06 | XavierGr | akai I thought was red too! |
01:43:11 | preglow | this just happens to be one of the few words i still remember |
01:43:14 | Mikachu | possibly the only language where colors are nouns |
01:43:18 | preglow | so i'm lucky i wasn't more wrong |
01:43:32 | Mikachu | maybe he combined the i:s |
01:43:37 | Mikachu | or maybe it's something completely different |
01:43:40 | akaidiota | how did I become the subject of attention? Without me sating anything..? |
01:43:45 | akaidiota | *saying |
01:43:53 | preglow | akaidiota: your irc script did the talking |
01:43:55 | XavierGr | aka = also know as (also) |
01:44:02 | akaidiota | huh, what did it say? |
01:44:04 | XavierGr | ^known |
01:44:08 | preglow | akaidiota: just kidding, heh |
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01:44:14 | Mikachu | akaidiota: you must explain your nick |
01:44:24 | akaidiota | aka = also known as |
01:44:28 | akaidiota | idiot = me |
01:44:36 | XavierGr | ha ha I won! |
01:44:39 | Mikachu | ah |
01:44:49 | preglow | surprise |
01:44:50 | akaidiota | I took it from a The Hives song |
01:45:09 | akaidiota | named...... A.K.A IDIOT |
01:45:29 | XavierGr | and the a in the end? |
01:45:44 | akaidiota | well it's my 2nd nick in mIRC |
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01:46:06 | akaidiot | happy now? |
01:46:08 | akaidiot | =) |
01:46:15 | Mikachu | yes :) |
01:46:16 | preglow | NOT AT ALL |
01:46:19 | Mikachu | oh |
01:46:22 | preglow | pick one |
01:46:35 | Mikachu | 1 |
01:46:40 | XavierGr | hehe |
01:46:42 | preglow | bah, you're no fun |
01:46:50 | Mikachu | what did i win? |
01:47:52 | amiconn | Someone with an fm recorder around? |
01:47:58 | akaidiot | Since we're in #rockbox I thought we'd talk about rockbox.. Can the Video iPod version play video? |
01:48:09 | preglow | not with rockbox |
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01:48:31 | akaidiot | can it record audio? |
01:48:54 | XavierGr | yes |
01:49:03 | XavierGr | not on iPod video though |
01:49:06 | Mikachu | heh |
01:49:49 | amiconn | not _yet_ I think |
01:50:01 | preglow | only iriver has recording yet |
01:50:04 | preglow | and the code really shows it |
01:50:11 | akaidiot | can you have iPod firmware boot and only boot rockbox when I choose to? |
01:50:18 | amiconn | preglow: and archos |
01:50:19 | preglow | it will need a bit of work for other platforms |
01:50:32 | preglow | amiconn: well, yes, i mean swcodec |
01:51:02 | akaidiot | I remeber when I had a archos jukebox 6000 and discovered rockbox! Man did the original firmware SUCK! |
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01:55:26 | preglow | my first was the h120 |
01:55:30 | preglow | which i still have and cherish |
01:55:33 | preglow | best player ever |
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01:56:01 | preglow | i was moderately satisfied by the iriverfw, though no gapless playback and all the bugs annoyed me |
01:56:53 | dpassen1 | it was usable |
01:57:03 | dpassen1 | nothing more |
01:57:32 | preglow | yeah |
01:58:18 | dpassen1 | in fact, there's probably only one thing I preferred in the original iRiver firmware (iHP-120) |
01:58:31 | XavierGr | so preglow you are an iriver guy, wow I had forgotten about it. |
01:58:37 | * | amiconn deems the H1x0 retail firmware worse than the archos recorder rretail firmware |
01:58:40 | XavierGr | with all this iPod stuff :P |
01:58:58 | XavierGr | amiconn: you are not so fare. |
01:59:05 | dpassen1 | On startup, whether or not it was intended, there would be a noice that would signify that the player was able to receive button presses, so I could start it and resume playback without removing it from my pocket. |
01:59:07 | XavierGr | It is crap but not the worst. |
01:59:29 | XavierGr | ^fiar |
01:59:32 | XavierGr | grrrr |
01:59:34 | XavierGr | ^fair |
01:59:42 | dpassen1 | It didn't force proprietary software, so its far from the worst. |
01:59:54 | preglow | amiconn: how? from the descriptions, the archos firmware seems to be the shitties one ever created |
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02:00:05 | XavierGr | dpassen1: exactly |
02:00:22 | preglow | oh, and it was pure file mode! |
02:00:24 | preglow | nothing fancy |
02:00:25 | preglow | that i liked |
02:00:41 | amiconn | preglow: I didn't say archos firmware was good. If it were, rockbox probably wouldn't exist |
02:01:04 | dpassen1 | Funny that 2.5 years later, I still think the iHP-1x0 is the best player around. |
02:01:41 | amiconn | But then, the archos firmware could be operated without the manual, which I can't say about the H1x0 firmware |
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02:02:26 | preglow | i had no big troubles not using the manual |
02:02:32 | amiconn | Note that I'm talking about recorder here, player stock firmware might be worse but I cannot judge about that |
02:02:32 | XavierGr | dpassen1: me too, though I bought an H300 just in case. |
02:02:38 | preglow | it had so few possibilities that it wasn't very hard, heh |
02:02:53 | dpassen1 | XavierGr: I'm starting to worry about a just in case player |
02:03:02 | dpassen1 | 2.5 years of daily use is a lot to ask |
02:03:53 | preglow | i want a backup h140 |
02:04:01 | BHSPitLappy | I want a backup car |
02:04:04 | preglow | i can't see another player as good as it coming out for a good bloody while |
02:04:06 | preglow | i want a car :> |
02:04:07 | BHSPitLappy | and then I want a car car. |
02:04:35 | BHSPitLappy | I want a backup me :/ |
02:04:50 | preglow | sounds too cumbersome |
02:04:54 | * | amiconn curses bloody cygwin |
02:05:02 | dpassen1 | I figure an X5 is the best choice for a backup |
02:05:06 | BHSPitLappy | how awesome would it be to have an identical twin the State didn't know about :P |
02:05:07 | dpassen1 | Once power management is improved |
02:05:12 | XavierGr | preglow: I won an iHP-115 should I keep it or sell, what;s your opinion? |
02:05:38 | preglow | XavierGr: i'd probably keep it, though it depends if you need money |
02:06:09 | XavierGr | well I now have all models, H140, H340 and H115 so something is spare right now... |
02:06:42 | preglow | h3x0 is ok, i guess, but i don't want the crappy colour lcd |
02:06:46 | preglow | and i like spdif |
02:06:58 | amiconn | H115 takes the same physical HD size as H120? |
02:07:03 | XavierGr | yes |
02:07:21 | XavierGr | but has 16mb memory from what I know |
02:07:24 | amiconn | So it should be upgradeable to 30GB |
02:07:28 | amiconn | yes |
02:07:31 | XavierGr | yes |
02:07:38 | XavierGr | echo |
02:07:38 | preglow | amiconn: btw, did you see the XTRIM possibility on coldfire? |
02:07:40 | XavierGr | :p |
02:07:53 | XavierGr | XTRIM? |
02:07:58 | preglow | you can tune the sysclk |
02:08:13 | preglow | 48khz playback... |
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02:10:21 | ManaSama | hello is anyone here? |
02:10:35 | preglow | might need another type of xtal than we do, thoguh |
02:10:35 | amiconn | preglow: Iiuc this is for recording not playback |
02:10:46 | preglow | amiconn: i think playback would benefit all the same |
02:10:48 | amiconn | ...and I don't see how a 150ppm range would help us |
02:11:21 | ManaSama | i am trying to instal the rockbox and when i am in command promt it says "ERROR locking disk Access is denied" |
02:11:25 | preglow | if you can't tune it more than then, then hell no |
02:11:40 | preglow | player type? |
02:11:46 | ManaSama | while im typing in " ipodpatcher 0 |
02:11:48 | preglow | using itunes? |
02:11:53 | ManaSama | me? |
02:11:55 | preglow | yes |
02:12:00 | ManaSama | i have itunes yes |
02:12:01 | amiconn | preglow: MCF5249UM.pdf p. 319 |
02:12:06 | preglow | it sounds like itunes has locked the disk |
02:12:08 | preglow | exit itunes |
02:12:23 | ManaSama | its not open |
02:12:40 | ManaSama | but i exited Itunes updater |
02:12:41 | BHSPitLappy | get into task manager and kill iTunes, iPodService, whatever you have to |
02:12:43 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, see |
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02:12:51 | ManaSama | okok i will go to task right now |
02:13:13 | preglow | arghh |
02:13:13 | ManaSama | ok done |
02:13:16 | ManaSama | ill try again now |
02:13:21 | preglow | this reminds me i need to finish spdif recording before i just abandon it |
02:14:17 | ManaSama | still same problem |
02:14:24 | ManaSama | hmm shoudl i restardt? |
02:14:27 | ManaSama | restart? |
02:14:31 | XavierGr | preglow: go go go |
02:14:39 | preglow | manasama: always worth a shot, but i doubt it'll help |
02:14:51 | BHSPitLappy | go for it, preggerz! |
02:15:01 | ManaSama | i have music already on my ipod should i restore it to factory settings? |
02:15:06 | ManaSama | and videos |
02:15:07 | preglow | hell, not now |
02:15:12 | preglow | i'm having whisky now :> |
02:15:17 | BHSPitLappy | ManaSama: not unless you want to lose everything. |
02:15:25 | ManaSama | oh! |
02:15:26 | BHSPitLappy | have you unplugged and re-plugged the iPod? |
02:15:42 | ManaSama | itunes opens when i plug it in should i change that setting also? |
02:15:46 | ManaSama | in itunes |
02:15:47 | BHSPitLappy | probably |
02:15:50 | ManaSama | ok |
02:16:07 | ManaSama | yea the now playing themes r beautiful |
02:16:12 | BHSPitLappy | plug it in, go to the iPod settings in iTunes, and set it to Manual instead of Automatic update |
02:16:13 | ManaSama | this is real intresting i want to try |
02:16:47 | ManaSama | this rockbox is worth it yea? |
02:16:55 | preglow | nice to hear you see it that way :) |
02:16:57 | preglow | sure, we think so |
02:17:03 | preglow | primarily because we make it, but yeah... |
02:17:13 | ManaSama | wow u guys r great ii hope to get this working ^^ |
02:18:41 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, now that you mention it, do we enable xtrim in rockbox |
02:18:44 | amiconn | ? |
02:18:51 | preglow | not that i know of |
02:18:55 | amiconn | Iiuc iriver does enable it. |
02:18:59 | amiconn | *Iirc |
02:19:03 | preglow | i've no idea |
02:19:22 | preglow | it would make sense for what they say in the manual |
02:19:29 | preglow | but i really don't have any trouble with clock accuracy |
02:19:46 | preglow | not for 44.1khz, at any rate |
02:19:47 | amiconn | Maybe not enabling xtrim causes the sporadic hangs, if the input clock is slightly off |
02:20:04 | preglow | why? |
02:20:08 | ManaSama | do i need to unzip the files in the IPOD PATCHER file to the rockbox |
02:20:18 | ManaSama | folder |
02:20:26 | BHSPitLappy | ipod patcher is a program you use on the pc |
02:20:33 | BHSPitLappy | it doesn't need to be on the ipod itself. |
02:20:44 | preglow | amiconn: recording is what hangs, not playback, and recording works great at whatever rate i throw at it, even 96khz |
02:21:01 | amiconn | I'm talking about recording... |
02:21:13 | preglow | i know, but i use playback for monitoring |
02:21:31 | preglow | the only reason i can see for using xtrim is to sync up the iis clock to the spdif clock |
02:21:40 | amiconn | I think it synchronises properly to any standard bitrate, but if the input bitrate is _sligthly_ off, it may hang |
02:22:19 | preglow | and i think it just plain and simple uses the input clock to clock the samples into the fifo |
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02:22:32 | preglow | anything else would be insane |
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02:23:10 | Membrillo | Bagder, you here? |
02:23:15 | ManaSama | while typing " ipodpatcher 0 " ect should i type it while the ipod says "do not dissconnect"? |
02:23:22 | ManaSama | in the cmd |
02:23:36 | preglow | yea |
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02:23:54 | preglow | i think so, at least |
02:24:01 | ManaSama | omg |
02:24:05 | ManaSama | man why isnt this working |
02:24:15 | preglow | i don't know, i never installed it from windows :/ |
02:24:28 | ManaSama | ahhh! is that wats wrong |
02:24:43 | preglow | installing from windows? |
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02:24:49 | preglow | no, that should work just good |
02:25:00 | ManaSama | hmmm |
02:25:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the problem? |
02:25:11 | ManaSama | its when i type in the command prompt |
02:25:19 | ManaSama | i type "ipodpatcher 0" ect......... |
02:25:21 | ManaSama | and its says |
02:25:24 | ManaSama | access denied |
02:25:32 | ManaSama | error locking disk |
02:25:39 | amiconn | You need admin rights to run ipodpatcher |
02:25:46 | ManaSama | i have rockbox folder in C:rockbox and all the files in there |
02:26:02 | amiconn | standard user doesn't have direct device access |
02:26:18 | ManaSama | is that wt is messing me up? |
02:26:27 | ManaSama | wat* |
02:27:32 | preglow | depends if you're admin or not |
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02:28:15 | ManaSama | dam |
02:28:22 | ManaSama | has anyone installed this from windows before? |
02:29:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | ManaSama: I have. As Amiconn said, you have to be using an admin account. Are you? |
02:30:20 | ManaSama | nope |
02:30:40 | ManaSama | that affects what im doing on my computer? |
02:30:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
02:31:02 | ManaSama | ok how can i get a admin account? |
02:31:12 | BHSPitLappy | whose computer is it? |
02:31:16 | ManaSama | my cpmputer |
02:31:17 | * | amiconn just added a note to IpodInstallation |
02:31:23 | BHSPitLappy | then you probably have an admin account. |
02:31:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | By default your account is an administrator one, unless you created a separate user account. |
02:31:33 | BHSPitLappy | if you're allowed to install programs, you're an admin. |
02:31:37 | * | Mikachu applauds windows security |
02:31:39 | ManaSama | yes i am |
02:31:46 | ManaSama | this is the only acount on the computer |
02:31:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, then does your iPod show up as a disk drive? What drive letter is it? |
02:31:56 | ManaSama | i thought u were talking about a account here on mirc |
02:31:57 | ManaSama | lol |
02:32:03 | preglow | haha |
02:32:20 | ManaSama | when i plug it in a folder pops up with like "notes and calender" then closes |
02:32:27 | ManaSama | it doesnt show right now and its only charging |
02:32:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you've not set up your iPod properly |
02:32:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It *must* be set to show up as a disk |
02:32:46 | ManaSama | omg how can i do that |
02:33:13 | ManaSama | i skipped registering it , is that a problem? |
02:33:17 | ManaSama | from itunes |
02:33:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it sounds like you have iTunes set to automatically eject it after syncing is done. So you probably want to disable that, first. You should check either the instructions for the iPod, or the iTunes help for that one. |
02:37:53 | ManaSama | wen the folder comes up it shows ad L: |
02:38:39 | ManaSama | ok it is in the my computer as L: |
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02:40:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright, now you need to do the ipodpatcher thing. I can't predict what number it'll be, but it _might_ be somewhat high if it's L. |
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02:40:46 | preglow | amiconn: and btw, all spdif clock sources i've seen tend to fluctuate somewhat, which makes keeping the clocks perfectly synced somewhat hard anyway |
02:40:55 | ManaSama | ok whats the ipod patcher thing |
02:40:58 | ManaSama | update? |
02:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The program... ipodpatcher... the one you were talking about earlier... |
02:41:40 | ManaSama | oh |
02:41:42 | ManaSama | open it? |
02:41:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, run it from the command prompt, like the instructions say |
02:42:18 | ManaSama | it says to type " ipodpatcher 0 " |
02:42:24 | ManaSama | then 1 then 2 and 3 |
02:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
02:42:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | And so on until it tells you that one of those numbers is actually an ipod |
02:42:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | 4, 5, 6, etc. |
02:42:50 | ManaSama | OH |
02:42:53 | ManaSama | so i dont use 0? |
02:42:57 | ManaSama | and 1 and 2 |
02:43:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | You start with 0 |
02:43:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then 1 |
02:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then 2 |
02:43:08 | ManaSama | oh!! |
02:43:09 | ManaSama | ok |
02:43:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Until it eventually says that one of them is an ipod |
02:45:48 | ManaSama | oh thanc alot its working now ill come back if something eles goes wrong |
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03:00 |
03:00:26 | ManaSama | omg it didnt work!!!! |
03:02:00 | ManaSama | anyone here can help me?!?!?!?!!?!:?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?1 |
03:02:25 | ashridah | you're going to have to be a little more detailed. what about it didn't work? |
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03:03:11 | ManaSama | ok well |
03:03:35 | ManaSama | i got all the way to this part |
03:03:36 | ManaSama | g) Testing |
03:03:36 | ManaSama | You can now disconnect your ipod from your PC in the normal way. This should cause your iPod to reboot. |
03:03:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ManaSama |
03:03:36 | ManaSama | You should now see a light blue screen with some tiny writing - this is the Rockbox bootloader. Because you haven't yet installed Rockbox itself, the bootloader will fail to start Rockbox and should then default to start the original Apple firmware. If this happens, then all has gone well. |
03:03:47 | ManaSama | i dont no what the "normal way" ment |
03:04:01 | ManaSama | and i just dissconnected it while it was on "DO NOT DISSCONNECT" |
03:04:09 | ManaSama | my ipod did not reboot itself |
03:04:27 | ManaSama | i did not see a blue screen or anything |
03:04:40 | ashridah | did you try starting the device yourself? |
03:05:03 | ManaSama | i reboot'ed it myself |
03:05:16 | ManaSama | what do you mean starting the device itself |
03:05:27 | ashridah | as in, reboot the ipod |
03:05:31 | ManaSama | i unzipped the rockbox zip also to the IPOD ROOT |
03:05:39 | ManaSama | yes i reoot it myself |
03:05:43 | ManaSama | cuz it did not itself |
03:06:02 | ashridah | okay, so the rockbox bootloader doesn't appear to have started? |
03:06:04 | ManaSama | and i did the rest of the intrusctiongs and i did not geta ROCKBOX welcome |
03:06:08 | ManaSama | yes |
03:06:18 | ManaSama | instuctions* |
03:06:26 | ashridah | someone else will have to help you then, i don't own an ipod, so i'm not sure what might have been missing. |
03:06:34 | ManaSama | omg |
03:06:34 | ManaSama | T_T |
03:06:39 | ManaSama | should i do it all over again? |
03:06:53 | ashridah | just be patient, there'll be someone about eventually. |
03:07:03 | ManaSama | ok |
03:07:07 | ashridah | you can try, from what i know, the ipods are fairly recoverable. |
03:07:28 | ashridah | compared to say, an iriver :S |
03:07:29 | ManaSama | anyone here can help me with installing ROCKBOX on a windows XP to a IPOD 60 gig |
03:14:20 | ManaSama | anyone here can help me with installing ROCKBOX on a windows XP to a IPOD 60 gig |
03:14:29 | ashridah | you don't need to keep spamming it |
03:15:22 | sharpe | hmm |
03:15:25 | ManaSama | ARGH!! |
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03:15:30 | ManaSama | sharpe can u help? ^^ |
03:15:42 | sharpe | maybe... depends on your problem |
03:16:00 | ManaSama | ok well have u installed rockbox to a ipod video on windows? |
03:16:07 | sharpe | yes |
03:16:38 | ManaSama | ok u know when u get to TESTING |
03:16:47 | sharpe | eh? |
03:16:55 | ManaSama | g) Testing |
03:16:55 | ManaSama | You can now disconnect your ipod from your PC in the normal way. This should cause your iPod to reboot. |
03:17:01 | sharpe | yeah. |
03:17:06 | ManaSama | i dont no what "the normal way" is |
03:17:16 | sharpe | removing the cable from your ipod |
03:17:17 | ManaSama | so i unplugged it while it was at "DO NOT DISSCONNECT" |
03:17:21 | ManaSama | yes |
03:17:28 | ManaSama | ok it did not reboot by itself |
03:17:41 | ManaSama | it took to long to i held down menu and selet and did it myself |
03:17:41 | sharpe | try holding select and menu until it reboots |
03:17:59 | ManaSama | ok i did |
03:18:02 | ManaSama | and this did not happen |
03:18:03 | ManaSama | You should now see a light blue screen with some tiny writing - this is the Rockbox bootloader. Because you haven't yet installed Rockbox itself, the bootloader will fail to start Rockbox and should then default to start the original Apple firmware. If this happens, then all has gone well. |
03:18:13 | ManaSama | i did not see a blue light |
03:18:19 | sharpe | so it doesn't even show the rockbox bootloader? |
03:18:30 | ManaSama | si i skipped and went on unzipping the ZIP to the root of my ipod |
03:18:35 | ManaSama | so* |
03:18:37 | ManaSama | yes it doesnt show |
03:18:57 | sharpe | are you sure that you copied the bootloader to the ipod, by... ipod_fw? i think... |
03:19:12 | ManaSama | i think |
03:19:21 | ManaSama | is it possible for me to to the whole thing over? |
03:19:41 | ManaSama | cuz i did not see the blue screen |
03:19:47 | sharpe | wait, did you do |
03:19:58 | ManaSama | everything went well untill then |
03:20:04 | sharpe | ipodpatcher -w X rockboot.bin, where X is your ipod's number? |
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03:20:45 | ManaSama | im shure i did the steps right |
03:20:56 | ManaSama | i felt unshure until the testing part |
03:21:00 | ManaSama | shoudl i do it all over? |
03:21:01 | sharpe | hmm... |
03:21:04 | sharpe | maybe. |
03:21:14 | sharpe | you should restore your ipod first |
03:21:37 | ManaSama | back to factory? |
03:21:40 | sharpe | aye |
03:21:44 | ManaSama | AHHH!! |
03:21:45 | sharpe | you'll lose your music though. |
03:21:46 | ManaSama | hmm |
03:21:51 | sharpe | er, if that's okay. |
03:21:54 | ManaSama | i can add my music back right? |
03:21:59 | ManaSama | its all on my computer |
03:22:01 | sharpe | yeah |
03:22:04 | ManaSama | all the music |
03:22:06 | ManaSama | ok |
03:22:28 | sharpe | okay, tell me when it's done restoring it, and i'll try to walk you though the guide. |
03:22:29 | ManaSama | i can still watch videos on my ipod with rockbox right? |
03:22:34 | ManaSama | ok kool |
03:22:37 | ManaSama | lov ya ^^ |
03:22:52 | sharpe | you'll have to boot into the ipod's firmware to do so, rockbox doesn't handle videos yet |
03:23:01 | sharpe | er, videos for the ipod. |
03:23:38 | ManaSama | omg |
03:23:42 | ManaSama | i cant pay all my videos? |
03:23:46 | ManaSama | if i install rockbox? |
03:23:56 | ManaSama | play* |
03:23:57 | sharpe | yes, you can. you just have to boot into the apple firmware |
03:24:05 | ManaSama | is that hard? |
03:24:21 | sharpe | if you consider a keypress while it's booting hard, then yes. otherwise, nope. |
03:24:38 | ManaSama | ok |
03:24:46 | ManaSama | then ill go ahead and install |
03:24:56 | sharpe | okay. |
03:25:00 | ManaSama | u have aim? |
03:25:19 | ManaSama | u can help me put videos on later yea and pictures? |
03:25:38 | sharpe | i don't have aim on right now... |
03:25:47 | ManaSama | ok restored |
03:26:26 | sharpe | okay, do you have ipodpatcher.exe, ipod_fw.exe, and bootloader-video.bin in, (i'm assuming) c:\rockbox, or wherever you have them? |
03:26:45 | ManaSama | yes liek the intructions said |
03:27:07 | sharpe | okay, try to find your ipod's number |
03:27:59 | ManaSama | done |
03:28:00 | ManaSama | its 6 |
03:28:15 | sharpe | okay, do "ipodpatcher -r 6 bootpartition.bin" |
03:28:39 | ManaSama | wrtiing....... |
03:28:43 | ManaSama | 112mb file |
03:28:51 | sharpe | okay |
03:28:54 | ManaSama | done |
03:29:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
03:29:14 | sharpe | now, do "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" |
03:29:59 | ManaSama | use "0" right? |
03:30:03 | sharpe | yes |
03:30:06 | ManaSama | ok just went to another line |
03:30:13 | ManaSama | C:\rockbox |
03:30:17 | ManaSama | > |
03:30:26 | ManaSama | anything supopse to happen? |
03:30:28 | sharpe | is there a apple_os.bin file? |
03:30:35 | sharpe | in the folder |
03:30:38 | ManaSama | yes 6 mb |
03:30:41 | sharpe | okay |
03:30:59 | sharpe | now, "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin" |
03:31:49 | ManaSama | ok a 5 mb file created |
03:32:29 | ManaSama | done |
03:33:00 | sharpe | okay, now, "ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin" |
03:34:17 | ManaSama | generating........ |
03:34:25 | ManaSama | done |
03:34:41 | sharpe | now, "ipodpatcher -w 6 rockboot.bin" |
03:35:00 | ManaSama | reading.......... |
03:35:10 | ManaSama | done |
03:35:17 | sharpe | now try disconnecting your ipod |
03:35:33 | ManaSama | unhook now yea? |
03:35:36 | sharpe | yes |
03:35:48 | ManaSama | YAY |
03:36:04 | ManaSama | now unzip that ZIP to the root of ipod yea? |
03:36:07 | sharpe | yes |
03:36:37 | ManaSama | hmm how to instal a theme? |
03:37:35 | ManaSama | unzip theme to " .rockbox " in the ipod root? |
03:37:44 | sharpe | one sec... |
03:37:49 | ManaSama | kkkkk |
03:38:06 | sharpe | to, h:/.rockbox/themes |
03:38:10 | sharpe | where h is your ipod's drive |
03:38:45 | sharpe | and for a wps, extract it to h:/.rockbox/wps |
03:40:17 | ManaSama | ok im lost |
03:40:26 | sharpe | hmm? |
03:40:45 | ManaSama | put the WPS older form the ZIP to the WPS foler in the Rockbox foler? |
03:40:48 | ManaSama | foler* |
03:40:55 | ManaSama | or replace the WPS? |
03:41:00 | sharpe | yes, also the wps file |
03:41:33 | ManaSama | ok unzip the THEME and FONTS and BACKDROPS to THEMES? |
03:41:42 | ManaSama | then the WPS to the WPS |
03:42:02 | sharpe | wait, are those individual folders? |
03:42:05 | sharpe | in the zip |
03:42:07 | ManaSama | yes |
03:42:16 | sharpe | just extract them to /.rockbox |
03:43:24 | ManaSama | ok now |
03:43:27 | ManaSama | i rebooted |
03:43:34 | ManaSama | and theres no theme |
03:43:34 | ManaSama | only |
03:43:40 | ManaSama | a blue screen with little letters |
03:43:45 | sharpe | press menu |
03:43:52 | ManaSama | ok |
03:43:56 | sharpe | and navigate to browse themes |
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03:43:59 | sharpe | and press select |
03:44:12 | sharpe | and then choose that respective theme |
03:44:15 | ManaSama | ok kool |
03:44:21 | ManaSama | now how to add music and videos? |
03:45:18 | sharpe | you'll have to add videos thru itunes |
03:45:29 | sharpe | as nothing dealing with videos is done by rockbox |
03:45:47 | sharpe | and for music, just place it somewhere on the disk |
03:45:59 | sharpe | rockbox works as a filebrowser |
03:47:07 | ManaSama | ok i have a folder were all my music is |
03:47:13 | ManaSama | drag and drop? |
03:47:15 | sharpe | yes |
03:47:29 | ManaSama | my ipod is pretty now |
03:47:33 | ManaSama | AND HAS BUST A MIE OMG!! |
03:47:36 | ManaSama | AND GAMES |
03:47:37 | ManaSama | KOOL |
03:48:21 | sharpe | i need to make a new background... |
03:48:28 | ManaSama | ok |
03:48:29 | ManaSama | um |
03:48:35 | ManaSama | still cant add music |
03:48:38 | ManaSama | no folder |
03:48:38 | sharpe | hmm? |
03:48:44 | sharpe | where did you put the folder? |
03:48:55 | ManaSama | its on my desk top |
03:49:20 | sharpe | and when you dragged it to your ipod, what happened? |
03:49:28 | ManaSama | i didnt yet |
03:49:31 | ManaSama | drag it to the root right |
03:49:32 | ManaSama | ? |
03:49:35 | sharpe | yes |
03:49:41 | ManaSama | it also has videos and pictures in the folder alone with my music |
03:49:46 | ManaSama | along |
03:50:03 | sharpe | rockbox will only see the videos, and some pictures.. |
03:50:06 | sharpe | er |
03:50:07 | sharpe | not |
03:50:25 | sharpe | not see the videos, but it will view the music and some pictures... if i remember correctly. |
03:50:32 | ManaSama | ok |
03:51:10 | ManaSama | ok adding folder |
03:51:12 | ManaSama | as for the videos |
03:51:15 | ManaSama | i go thru itunes? |
03:51:18 | sharpe | yes |
03:51:39 | ManaSama | dam |
03:51:52 | ManaSama | dam my jrock folder is 50 gig |
03:51:53 | ManaSama | s |
03:51:54 | ManaSama | >.< |
03:52:02 | sharpe | wow. |
03:52:02 | ManaSama | i had all my music on before |
03:52:04 | ManaSama | ugh |
03:52:22 | ManaSama | well the video auto add liek before rockbox right? |
03:52:34 | sharpe | hmm? |
03:52:57 | sharpe | if it did in itunes, i don't see why not... |
03:53:14 | ManaSama | ok |
03:53:19 | ManaSama | i just open and it shoudl work yea? |
03:53:24 | sharpe | itunes? |
03:53:27 | ManaSama | yea |
03:53:30 | sharpe | yes |
03:53:55 | ManaSama | ok u were talking about going into apple to watch vids |
03:53:57 | ManaSama | what is that |
03:54:23 | sharpe | when you reboot rockbox, hold... menu right after you reboot |
03:54:31 | sharpe | and it should boot the original firmware |
03:54:36 | sharpe | it may take a few tries though |
03:54:38 | ManaSama | hold menu? |
03:54:38 | ManaSama | ok |
03:54:48 | ManaSama | thanx for everything i cant wait till all my stuff is back on ^^ |
03:54:53 | sharpe | you're welcome |
03:55:34 | ManaSama | i can just disconnect when ever yea? |
03:55:38 | ManaSama | r u happy with rockbox? |
03:55:56 | sharpe | yes, as long as it's not copying anything to your ipod, yes i'm happy with rockbox |
03:57:13 | ManaSama | man my folder is huge |
03:57:14 | ManaSama | T_T |
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03:57:44 | ManaSama | can i like use the origional sofware and connect it to ITUNEs let it update then reboot and would all the music show? |
03:57:55 | ManaSama | in rockbox? |
03:58:09 | sharpe | you may have to reboot into the apple firmware for itunes to access it |
03:58:29 | ManaSama | i can let itunes add the music and just reboot again and it will work yea? |
03:58:57 | sharpe | you mean the videos? |
03:59:21 | ManaSama | i mean everything |
03:59:35 | ManaSama | cuz itadds everything nicly i think |
03:59:48 | ManaSama | and i have all my lyrics in there and pics and album ard and all my info on the music |
04:00 |
04:00:00 | sharpe | well... if you want your music accessed by the apple firmware, i guess... |
04:00:10 | ManaSama | oh |
04:00:29 | ManaSama | if i have to upload it while its in the rockbox ? |
04:00:36 | ManaSama | to listen from rockbox |
04:00:37 | ManaSama | ? |
04:00:55 | sharpe | no... |
04:01:18 | sharpe | rockbox works as a filebrowser, whereas the apple firmware has a database of the media files |
04:01:40 | sharpe | and rockbox doesn't handle the itunesdb |
04:01:44 | ManaSama | im almost thinking of restoring it ...................letting itunes add everything again then re installing rockbox again T_T |
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04:02:31 | ManaSama | cuz drag and drop is bad cuz i have videos and pix everywere and itunes can add it all nicly as drag and drop will add everything!!! |
04:03:00 | ManaSama | the folder is liek 55 gigs and itunes adds everything ad 30 gig |
04:03:00 | ManaSama | see |
04:03:05 | ManaSama | as* |
04:03:21 | ManaSama | u get it? |
04:03:24 | sharpe | not really |
04:03:28 | ManaSama | ok |
04:03:37 | sharpe | but, it seems like that's your fault for the bad organization. sorry. |
04:04:03 | ManaSama | IF i reboot my ipod and use apple sofware and connect to the itunes , let it all update and wen its done |
04:04:18 | ManaSama | can i reboot and use rockbox to listen to the songs? |
04:04:56 | sharpe | yes, you will have to use the tagcache, as itunes mangles the filenames... |
04:06:04 | ManaSama | tag cache? |
04:06:47 | sharpe | yes, kind of like the idea of the itunesdb |
04:08:00 | ManaSama | -_- |
04:08:10 | sharpe | but they're not interchangeable |
04:08:16 | ManaSama | >.< |
04:08:19 | ManaSama | im lost |
04:08:24 | ManaSama | i guess im going to restore |
04:08:33 | ManaSama | and let itunes add everything cuz itunes adds it nice |
04:08:36 | ManaSama | then install rockbox again |
04:08:42 | sharpe | okay. |
04:08:49 | ManaSama | cuz everything eles is confusing me |
04:08:53 | ManaSama | and i dont think u understand me |
04:09:31 | ManaSama | lemme ask one more time ill try my best to explain |
04:09:32 | ManaSama | ok |
04:09:34 | ManaSama | um |
04:09:59 | ManaSama | If i use the apple filmware and let itunes add everything then reboot will ROCKBOXX PLAY JUST LIKE NORMAL? |
04:10:12 | ManaSama | or will it be different in anyway? |
04:10:56 | sharpe | it will not play the files itunes added, as it adds it in a special way to your ipod, so you will have to have rockbox use rockbox's tagcache. but the apple's firmware will play, as normal. |
04:11:55 | ManaSama | ok i can still play music i just have to go thru Tag cahe in rockbox? |
04:12:04 | sharpe | yes |
04:12:17 | ManaSama | and what would be the different if i dragged and dropped? |
04:12:31 | ManaSama | it would be as directory yea? |
04:12:37 | sharpe | yes |
04:13:33 | ManaSama | ok |
04:13:36 | ManaSama | man |
04:13:57 | ManaSama | i have to move all videos from my ARTIST folders to somewere eles so they dotn add |
04:14:00 | ManaSama | this will take foreve rT_T |
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04:31:52 | qwx | are there chinks among the rockbox developers? |
04:33:34 | sharpe | eh? |
04:39:06 | qwx | chinamen |
04:39:09 | qwx | asians |
04:39:09 | qwx | gooks |
04:39:13 | qwx | little yellow people |
04:39:20 | sharpe | ah, racial slurs. as far as i know, nope. |
04:39:31 | qwx | haha. alright. |
04:39:38 | qwx | i prefer the term ethnic slur! |
04:39:39 | goffa | we've got some honkeys and crackers though |
04:39:42 | qwx | ah. |
04:39:48 | qwx | and turnips.. |
04:39:51 | qwx | lots of turnips. |
04:39:54 | sharpe | ooh |
04:39:57 | sharpe | i'm a cracker |
04:40:06 | qwx | i'm a dego twat. |
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04:41:50 | * | qwx can't afford an ipod nano quite yet.. |
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04:42:14 | goffa | must be poor white trash then |
04:42:19 | goffa | ;) |
04:49:44 | Inc | owned |
04:50:05 | sharpe | kind of late for the owned, isn't it? :) |
04:50:46 | Inc | oh yes. |
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04:58:06 | speacial_ed | um anyone at all can you tell me if its possible for my 5g ipod to actaully be shocking me??/ |
04:58:17 | sharpe | no... |
04:58:22 | sharpe | well |
04:58:28 | sharpe | not in a way that'd hurt you |
04:58:28 | speacial_ed | than i am trippin really bad on something |
04:58:36 | speacial_ed | its not painful no |
04:58:38 | speacial_ed | its just |
04:58:40 | speacial_ed | shocking me |
04:58:48 | speacial_ed | the metal on the back |
04:58:52 | sharpe | like, by it's awesomeness? it's that shocking? |
04:58:56 | speacial_ed | no |
04:58:58 | speacial_ed | like |
04:59:00 | speacial_ed | electrical |
04:59:02 | sharpe | could be static buildup |
04:59:09 | speacial_ed | ive touched other metal to make sure |
04:59:14 | speacial_ed | and its a constant flow |
04:59:21 | sharpe | .. |
04:59:26 | speacial_ed | im seriously freaking |
04:59:34 | speacial_ed | hang on i have to get my bro make sure its not just me |
04:59:40 | sharpe | try touching it to other metal. :D |
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05:00:09 | speacial_ed | HAHAHAH |
05:00:12 | speacial_ed | my brother just jumped |
05:00:14 | speacial_ed | omg |
05:00:16 | speacial_ed | hahaha |
05:00:22 | speacial_ed | this is so awesome |
05:00:38 | Mikachu | i think your ipod is broken |
05:01:06 | speacial_ed | o god damnit |
05:01:17 | speacial_ed | it wasnt my ipod |
05:01:22 | speacial_ed | my usb cords messed up |
05:01:31 | speacial_ed | and it was going off the back of my ipod on the metal |
05:01:38 | sharpe | heh |
05:01:57 | speacial_ed | but i guess i can just shock people with the usb |
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05:04:41 | speacial_ed | also, why wont my ipod play music in rockbox? |
05:04:55 | speacial_ed | it goes to a song then wont start |
05:05:00 | speacial_ed | sits at 0:00 of 0:00 |
05:05:08 | speacial_ed | and the song stays in the 4 letter name thing |
05:05:25 | sharpe | four letter name? |
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05:05:39 | speacial_ed | VDJW.mp3 |
05:05:42 | sharpe | oh |
05:05:44 | sharpe | from itunes |
05:05:46 | speacial_ed | yes |
05:05:54 | sharpe | is tagcache enabled? |
05:05:59 | speacial_ed | yes |
05:06:05 | sharpe | have you recently updated any parts of rockbox? |
05:06:22 | speacial_ed | last night i did the bleeding edge |
05:06:32 | sharpe | everything? |
05:06:45 | sharpe | or just rockbox.ipod? |
05:06:54 | speacial_ed | everything |
05:07:24 | sharpe | sounds like, a problem with the codec or something... maybe... |
05:07:42 | sharpe | try updating to the latest build |
05:08:01 | speacial_ed | k |
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05:09:48 | speacial_ed | heh... i cant touch the back of ipod while its plugged in or i get a nice mild shock now |
05:10:00 | Mikachu | i would throw away that cable if i were you |
05:10:09 | Mikachu | you could permanently damage your ipod, your computer and yourself |
05:10:23 | speacial_ed | thats quite a good idea |
05:10:28 | sharpe | i serouisly doubt it could damage himself |
05:10:36 | speacial_ed | how much is a new one? |
05:10:40 | sharpe | it's 5volts at ~500milliamps |
05:10:46 | Mikachu | is this the stock ipod cable? |
05:10:46 | sharpe | if i remember correctly |
05:10:53 | speacial_ed | yes |
05:11:00 | Mikachu | they're pretty expensive i think |
05:11:16 | speacial_ed | poo |
05:11:31 | RoC_MM | $20 |
05:11:35 | Mikachu | i'm not sure how you managed to break it though |
05:11:36 | sharpe | oh god! |
05:11:42 | sharpe | that'll break your bank account! |
05:11:43 | speacial_ed | aw man |
05:11:49 | RoC_MM | less if you don't buy Apple branded cable from apple store...look on newegg |
05:11:50 | speacial_ed | totally |
05:11:59 | Mikachu | you could buy a shappy mp3 player for $20 |
05:12:00 | speacial_ed | ok thanks |
05:12:11 | sharpe | so what's wrong with it, how is it touching your ipod's casing? |
05:12:21 | speacial_ed | i have no clue... |
05:12:26 | speacial_ed | the cable looks fine |
05:12:37 | speacial_ed | i looked it over i dont see any holes or anything |
05:12:38 | Mikachu | it's possible the earth is connected to the case |
05:12:49 | speacial_ed | its lying on wood |
05:13:08 | sharpe | he means the ground wire, not the celestial body. |
05:13:08 | Mikachu | you say ground in english maybe |
05:15:04 | sharpe | heheh... |
05:15:34 | speacial_ed | playback is working now |
05:15:50 | speacial_ed | and the wires gone so i need to get another soon... so ill just buy one at a store |
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05:17:47 | RoC_MM | newegg.com has them for $10 |
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05:40:56 | sharpe | that's great error reporting. "One Warning Occured, Please Check The Log For More Details." the log says, "Commit: Warning: Error 0x8004100e" |
05:43:01 | sharpe | actually, error detailing, but still... |
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06:04:02 | midkay | haha |
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06:24:31 | ashridah | Woot! done and submitted |
06:24:36 | ashridah | oops, wrong channel |
06:25:22 | midkay | clumsy ashridah :) |
06:25:30 | ashridah | yeah, something like that. |
06:25:40 | ashridah | you would be too if you'd just fought with JCE for a few weeks |
06:26:03 | midkay | haha. |
06:26:20 | sharpe | off to play more tremulous... because i want to. |
06:27:50 | midkay | :o |
06:28:24 | sharpe | and because it's standalone now |
06:28:25 | sharpe | :D |
06:28:49 | midkay | :OOO |
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07:36:39 | JdGordon | im building the cross compiler and i did a typo in the path for binutils... how do i remove the install and start again? |
07:36:57 | JdGordon | or can i just move the dir to the correct directory? |
07:38:31 | ashridah | make uninstall should work |
07:38:42 | ashridah | i wouldn't. it relies on the prefix in some cases |
07:39:14 | JdGordon | make uninstall didnt work.. |
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07:39:27 | JdGordon | ive removed the whole dir and did make clean and running it again |
07:39:30 | JdGordon | hope it works |
07:44:22 | midkay | JdGordon, working on the viewer now, finally sorted out the settings save/load.. just want to fix up a few things and add in a feature if i can remember what it was (thought up something that would be useful but can't remember now).. and i think it'll be ready. :) |
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07:50:16 | dj-fu | doh.. deleted the backdrop file and now i have a black screen on my nano |
07:50:19 | dj-fu | any easy way to fix? |
07:50:27 | dj-fu | have tried deleting .rockbox and replacing it, still the same thing |
07:50:41 | midkay | dj-fu, boot rockbox with the hold switch on = your settings will be completely reset. |
07:50:54 | dj-fu | thanks |
07:50:59 | midkay | no problem |
07:51:00 | dj-fu | I'm such an idiot ;p |
07:51:07 | midkay | should have just put it back! :) |
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07:53:31 | ravon | God damn. This worked yesterday, and now it segfaults. |
07:53:42 | ravon | This is one of those moments where I wish I used a local CVS. |
07:54:31 | dj-fu | midkay, does that mean that rockboxes settings are not stored on the fat32 partition? |
07:55:06 | Galois | correct, the settings are not stored in the main music partition |
07:55:16 | dj-fu | shocking, I had no idea. |
07:55:19 | midkay | dj-fu, right, they're on the disk some place not on the partition iiuc. it's planned to change the system so that they're saved to a cfg file instead.. |
07:55:33 | dj-fu | could be a good idea ;P |
07:55:35 | midkay | i see only *numerous* advantages, so i'm not sure why it's not happened yet. |
07:57:46 | dj-fu | crossfeed rocks |
07:57:53 | dj-fu | really noticeable with the in-ear headphones i think |
07:58:41 | midkay | yeah, crossfeed == pwn :) |
07:59:40 | * | dj-fu attempts to bribe the ipod developer into working on the second core |
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08:01:14 | dj-fu | only just learnt today that I could use it to listen to music while plugged in charging |
08:01:16 | dj-fu | that's w00t |
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08:02:52 | midkay | yeah :) |
08:03:05 | midkay | 'the ipod developer'? there are way more than one :) |
08:05:21 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
08:06:37 | dj-fu | I better save up a lil bit then. |
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08:07:59 | dj-fu | hmm, I'm not getting any skipping with crossfeed AND equaliser on, I just turned up the anti-skip buffer |
08:08:04 | dj-fu | I was getting skips al the time before |
08:08:09 | dj-fu | maybe something changed |
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08:15:07 | Moos | Hi there |
08:15:40 | dj-fu | Hello. |
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08:24:01 | dj-fu | shocking, I didn't even realise there was an anti-skip option. here I was complaining about a second core being needed |
08:24:28 | midkay | dj-fu, antiskip will not help with stutters. |
08:24:42 | dj-fu | it won't? |
08:24:45 | dj-fu | well, something is |
08:24:52 | midkay | something is what? |
08:25:32 | midkay | stutters are the result of decoding being too slow. antiskip just buffers the compressed files earlier than it needs to, nothing to do with decoding. |
08:25:34 | dj-fu | I just put today/yesterdays cvs on, turned crossfeed & eq on, playing mp3's 320kbit fine with no stutters |
08:26:03 | midkay | which model? |
08:26:09 | dj-fu | nano |
08:26:20 | dj-fu | previously it would stutter randomly |
08:26:22 | midkay | impressive.. well, there were some libmad optimizations a few days ago. |
08:26:36 | dj-fu | think that may have done it? |
08:26:43 | dj-fu | mad is mp3 demuxing correct? |
08:26:49 | midkay | probably gave it a little bit of boost it needed to play like that. |
08:27:06 | dj-fu | sweet :D |
08:27:14 | midkay | still hard to believe. crossfeed AND eq is .. eq barely runs realtime for me on my 5G.. |
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08:28:25 | dj-fu | Let me try tweak some eq settings |
08:29:07 | dj-fu | ah, cranked up the graphical just then and got a stutter |
08:30:21 | midkay | while you did that, or it continues stuttering after adjustment? |
08:30:33 | dj-fu | continues after |
08:30:48 | dj-fu | I realised I had eq turned on but the graphical was set to all default, lol, probably not a good test ; |
08:31:54 | midkay | still seems unlikely.. |
08:31:58 | midkay | hmm.. |
08:32:10 | dj-fu | eq turned off, crossfeed on, no stutters |
08:32:23 | dj-fu | stoked :D stutters were making me cry |
08:33:26 | midkay | cool :) |
08:33:44 | dj-fu | are you a dev, midkay? |
08:33:56 | midkay | dj-fu, technically :) |
08:37:15 | dj-fu | I'm going to remake iAmp with the snap font |
08:37:18 | dj-fu | my first venture into wps |
08:38:48 | midkay | cool :) |
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09:32:58 | amiconn | midkay: While we do want to switch to .cfg files for the startup config, there are not only advantages, and it's also not that simple to do the switch |
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09:40:11 | midkay | amiconn, what are the disadvantages? |
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09:46:34 | amiconn | midkay: (1) It's considerably more complex to save settings in an ascii config file than just saving the binary blob in a sector. We will have to optimise the saving a bit, currently it's rather slow |
09:46:50 | midkay | amiconn, ah, right. haha. blob. |
09:47:29 | amiconn | (2) We need a way to register callbacks in the ata driver to call on spinup, or an appropriate event |
09:48:17 | amiconn | Today, the delayed settings save is handled in the ata driver. It stores the sector when the disk isn't spinning, and writes it at the next spinup |
09:49:03 | midkay | right |
09:49:26 | amiconn | (3) We need to split the settings into 2 parts in a different way than today. Some settings aren't really settings but rather 'status values', which should stay binary |
09:50:03 | amiconn | resume position, runtime statistics, (on newer targets) dircache size |
09:50:10 | midkay | mmhmm |
09:51:14 | amiconn | These would be preferably saved in a non-disk storage when available (rtc ram on archos recorders, possibly the i2c eeprom on iriver) |
09:52:00 | amiconn | On other units we will probably use a binary file |
09:55:14 | midkay | cool |
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09:57:43 | dj-fu | ah, is this the settings not in a cfg file speech |
09:59:41 | amiconn | midkay: One big advantage will be that we can drop the config block versioning, so no more occasional settings resets |
09:59:55 | midkay | amiconn, yes, that's a major one i had in mind. |
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10:00:21 | midkay | also adjusting/resetting easily via USB if something gets screwed up |
10:00:38 | amiconn | A disadvantage (or rather required implementation detail) is that we need proper out-of-bounds checks in the settings loader |
10:01:17 | midkay | is that a we-should-have-this kind of thing or absolutely mandatory? |
10:01:41 | amiconn | It's mandatory |
10:02:23 | midkay | why? |
10:02:55 | amiconn | Isn't that obvious? We need to protect against loading out-of-bounds values when the settings change |
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10:03:05 | amiconn | Otherwise nasty thing can happen |
10:03:36 | midkay | yes, but then it should be nearly as mandatory now, since cfg files can manually be created, right? |
10:03:49 | amiconn | yes |
10:04:29 | amiconn | But right now it's only a concern with manually created, or old saved .cfg files, and the user knows when he's loading a .cfg |
10:04:52 | amiconn | Later it will be a concern on each startup |
10:05:08 | midkay | righto |
10:05:25 | amiconn | One example was the volume percent -> dB change. When loading an old .cfg from be fore that, volume is out of range (positive instead of negative). Try that with resume on startup & earphones in... |
10:05:34 | amiconn | (note: NOT recommended!) |
10:05:52 | dj-fu | BOOM |
10:05:55 | * | dj-fu dances |
10:05:56 | midkay | hahaha.. i hope that didn't happen to anyone :) |
10:06:01 | amiconn | it did |
10:06:07 | midkay | ouch.. |
10:06:12 | amiconn | indeed |
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10:07:46 | bluefoxicy | I have the daily build of rockbox from last week or so |
10:07:53 | bluefoxicy | and I found out |
10:07:59 | bluefoxicy | if I hit back a bunch of times on a playlist |
10:08:24 | bluefoxicy | I can really fuck with it, put it into playlist item -1, rockbox tries to play -2 next, fails, tries to play -1, fails, tries to play -2, fails, and goes back to teh file dialog |
10:08:30 | bluefoxicy | it won't play any songs until it's rebooted |
10:09:04 | midkay | that sounds crazy enough to try out. *attempts* |
10:09:17 | bluefoxicy | midkay: construct a dynamic playlist, save it as /default.m3u or such |
10:09:28 | petur | bluefoxicy: why don't you try a bleeding edge build, lots of things have changed already |
10:09:31 | bluefoxicy | then load it, start playing, move to the second song, then hit back a bunch of times :) |
10:09:48 | bluefoxicy | petur: nods. Just a heads up though, in case anyone can still reproduce it. |
10:10:21 | midkay | not happening here.. |
10:10:30 | bluefoxicy | if it's still behaving like a little bitch, someone should look into an "if (pl_index < 1) pl_index = pl_index + length_of_pl)" somewhere |
10:10:36 | bluefoxicy | midkay: alright, probably fixed. |
10:10:54 | bluefoxicy | midkay: I was able to reproduce it several times in a row intentionally. |
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10:11:14 | midkay | bluefoxicy, interesting, you should try again with latest CVS |
10:11:25 | bluefoxicy | midkay: it's 4am, I'll try tomorrow |
10:11:33 | midkay | k :) |
10:11:34 | bluefoxicy | I've fallen asleep at my keyboard 15 times since 2 |
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10:12:08 | petur | nah... it's 10 in the morning :P |
10:12:37 | midkay | haha. |
10:12:51 | * | amiconn agrees with petur |
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10:18:50 | JdGordon | do the build servers redo the entire build? or only recompile the changed files? |
10:19:36 | amiconn | They do a full rebuild, but use ccache to speed things up |
10:20:26 | amiconn | If they wouldn't do a full rebuild, the error/warning count wouldn't be correct |
10:20:29 | webguest79 | two possile bugs with Album art viewer, H140, latest BE Build. album cover art appears as two folders in the respective album folder, 1) folder , 2) AlbumArt. |
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10:21:05 | amiconn | Also, if there is a dependency problem, it could happen that the build fails and/or some parts that should be rebuilt aren't |
10:21:15 | petur | webguest79: album art is not part of rockbox yet, contact the creator of the patch |
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10:21:45 | webguest79 | petur, that would be rockbox, as I am using latest bledding edge |
10:21:55 | webguest79 | not using my own build, |
10:22:14 | * | petur is confused |
10:22:22 | webguest79 | show files is set to suppoeted |
10:22:34 | midkay | webguest79, you mean the jpegs then. |
10:22:51 | midkay | some program probably automatically downloads them (like windows media player). |
10:22:59 | midkay | that's not a bug, rockbox is just showing what's there. |
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10:23:50 | webguest79 | yes but same file twice under a different name? |
10:24:15 | amiconn | Rockbox just shows what is on the file system |
10:24:23 | webguest79 | AlbumArt and Folder for the exact same file in the same folder for the same art |
10:24:44 | midkay | webguest79, they are different files. |
10:24:55 | amiconn | If it shows 2 different folders with the same file in them, these folders really exist both |
10:24:55 | midkay | the jpegs look the same, because they probably are, but there are different copies and sizes. |
10:25:01 | amiconn | Check from a pc |
10:25:02 | midkay | that is not rockbox's fault. |
10:25:36 | midkay | amiconn, i think windows media player is the app that downloads+stores albumart automatically. there is a Folder.jpg along with several AlbumArt_[randomnumbers].jpg files. |
10:25:48 | webguest79 | and if you Left click on arts 'quit' menu screen goes blank |
10:25:57 | webguest79 | that is the other problem |
10:26:12 | * | amiconn *never* downloads anything with media player, although he uses it occasionally for playback |
10:26:13 | midkay | left click? |
10:26:34 | webguest79 | h140, joystck, left click |
10:26:38 | midkay | amiconn, i have the albumart things too, i don't know exactly where they come from. i certainly didn't download them myself.. |
10:27:02 | midkay | not sure what you mean. that goes to the last photo for me. |
10:28:16 | webguest79 | open a picture, then get press stop, when context menu is displayed, Left click whilst standing on quit |
10:28:34 | midkay | .. brings me back to the picture. |
10:28:41 | webguest79 | strange |
10:28:55 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I observed that bug too |
10:29:03 | midkay | maybe a bug on H100 (or all grayscale LCDs)? |
10:29:11 | amiconn | The bug exists on targets where we use the grayscale lib |
10:29:19 | midkay | do they require some kind of initialization like the archos lib did? |
10:29:31 | webguest79 | first left click blabk screen, second left screen reloads the picture |
10:29:36 | amiconn | midkay: It *is* the grayscale lib |
10:29:59 | midkay | amiconn, no difference between H100 and Archos lib then? |
10:30:14 | amiconn | Not in operation |
10:30:23 | midkay | ah, interesting. |
10:30:27 | amiconn | Of course the implementation is sligthly different |
10:30:43 | amiconn | The principle is the same |
10:30:57 | amiconn | We will have the grayscale lib on the grayscale ipods as well |
10:31:00 | midkay | gotcha |
10:31:02 | amiconn | (after 3.0 of course) |
10:31:15 | ravon | Did anything change in the ui emulation handling recently? Like... 1-3 days ago? |
10:32:04 | midkay | emulation? |
10:32:10 | webguest79 | and always use explorer to manage my files, never any other app |
10:32:14 | ravon | simulation :) |
10:32:17 | * | amiconn is building gcc 4.1 for sh :) |
10:32:22 | midkay | simulation? :) |
10:32:44 | webguest79 | so I dont know where the double cover art file with different ne=ames is coming from |
10:33:03 | midkay | webguest79, i have no idea either. but i have them too and i did not get them myself. |
10:33:22 | ravon | nosefart segfaults when compiled for little endian. The error could of course be there, but I haven't changed anything there, and it worked a few days ago. |
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10:34:09 | midkay | oh, uisim? *shrugs* |
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10:35:33 | ravon | I think I've figured out how to do subsongs in NSF files now. |
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10:41:32 | Lear | amiconn: tried a gcc 4.1 build for the iriver the other day, saved about 2 kb on rockbox.iriver. didn't actually try the build though. :) |
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10:42:19 | amiconn | Lear: Perhaps 4.1 is even better in reducing size than 4.0 with -Os |
10:42:26 | amiconn | I'll soon find out |
10:43:06 | Lear | Yep. Btw, I need to disable libssp when running configure, or the gcc build fails (after gcc proper is complete, it seems). |
10:44:02 | amiconn | How do you do this? |
10:45:26 | Lear | simple: −−enable-libssp=no |
10:45:34 | amiconn | okay |
10:45:46 | JdGordon | is a 90s h300 build respectable (with wine compiling in the backgreoud) with ccache enable? |
10:45:58 | amiconn | Let's see whether building libssp fails for sh as well (somehow I expect it does) |
10:46:22 | amiconn | JdGordon: First build, i.e. ccache not filled yet? |
10:47:48 | JdGordon | 2nd build |
10:48:16 | amiconn | hmm, that sounds a bit slow, but maybe due to the 2nd compilation in parallel |
10:50:28 | amiconn | Lear: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" |
10:50:34 | amiconn | Sounds familiar? |
10:50:39 | Lear | Yep. |
10:50:57 | Lear | But if you run make install, you should get a working gcc... |
10:53:16 | ravon | Do I have to to anything specific to get profiling to work? Besides adding PROFILE_OPTS to the compilation flags? |
10:53:33 | JdGordon | hmm... 65s without the other compile going.. |
10:53:36 | ravon | All I get now is a bunch of 3109E5A8=0000 lines in profile.out |
10:57:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: 1st build: 96s, 2nd build: 41s. That's with 'make && make zip' both times |
10:57:28 | amiconn | ..on my build box |
10:58:00 | amiconn | ...for H300, with the hack to make m68k-elf-gcc build on amd64 |
10:58:25 | amiconn | 'make zip' itself takes ~5s |
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11:00:43 | * | JdGordon neds a better cpu.. make zip take 12s |
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11:01:45 | JdGordon | well, once this comp is setup properly as my 24x7 download box its available for a build server if its wanted... |
11:02:23 | JdGordon | and if the make zip doesnt have all the fonts and suff which can be added on the main server then the zip will be smaller and my slow upload wont matter so much |
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11:04:55 | RedBreva | sorry to interupt with a stupid Q... what key press stops playback on an iPod? |
11:05:29 | midkay | hold play shortly |
11:05:49 | RedBreva | OK, thanks |
11:06:17 | RedBreva | That was about the only key I didn't think to press :( |
11:06:31 | amiconn | Lear: gcc 4.1.0 -Os saves 250 bytes compared to gcc 4.0.3 -Os for archos recorder |
11:06:43 | amiconn | But I get a bunch of aliasing warnings |
11:07:49 | Lear | Well, at least it's not worse, and now bugs at least have the chance of being fixed. :) |
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12:07:54 | HCl | pfffff... |
12:07:55 | HCl | hello. |
12:14:46 | markun | good day HCl |
12:26:05 | JdGordon | any1 got dvd decrypter working under wine under linux? i cant get it to read the dvdrom |
12:26:56 | Galois | what the hell? why would you ever bother to do such a thing |
12:27:18 | JdGordon | coz im moving to linux... |
12:27:22 | Galois | so? |
12:27:33 | JdGordon | so? so..? |
12:27:34 | Galois | linux has a ton of native software that can do dvd decryption |
12:27:50 | JdGordon | ok.. eg? |
12:27:58 | Galois | I wrote an entire freaking howto on this |
12:28:05 | JdGordon | :D linky? |
12:28:15 | Galois | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/ |
12:29:12 | Galois | if you want more than just ripping/playing, you can ask me. I probably know more about this than all but a dozen other people in the world. |
12:29:27 | Mikachu | "mplayer dvd://" |
12:29:41 | crwl | "vobcopy -m" |
12:30:25 | Galois | the neat thing about mplayer is that the decryption works even on a dd'd iso copy |
12:30:39 | JdGordon | cheers |
12:30:43 | Galois | be careful though, this stuff is seriously illegal in the US |
12:30:52 | JdGordon | ye, im looking for the linux equiv of dvd decrypter and dvd shrink |
12:31:01 | crashd | JdGordon: transcode :> |
12:31:22 | Galois | transcode will work. It has awful syntax, even for a CLI app, but it will work. |
12:31:31 | crwl | DVD Shrink works fine with WINE, I don't think there's a Linux equivalent...? |
12:31:32 | crashd | hehe, there's some good frontends |
12:31:39 | crashd | like dvd::rip |
12:31:53 | crashd | in fact, JdGordon, cehckout dvd::rip |
12:31:57 | crwl | dvd::rip and dvd shrink are seriously different kind of programs |
12:32:01 | * | JdGordon checking out |
12:32:03 | crashd | yeah but |
12:32:07 | crashd | they both can do the same job |
12:32:11 | crwl | no, they can't |
12:32:12 | Mikachu | does dvd shrink do anything else than re-encode the video/audio? |
12:32:14 | crashd | yes, they can |
12:32:31 | ashridah | transcode does a reasonable job of ripping and reencoding for me |
12:32:33 | crwl | dvd::rip doesn't re-encode mpeg2 and retain the menus etc., unless it has got that feature recently |
12:32:49 | ashridah | the interface isn't too pleasant, but there's a few frontends that help |
12:33:07 | Galois | crwl, you can, with effort, re-encode the raw mpeg2 and add back the original menus manually with dvdauthor |
12:33:20 | Galois | the menus are not encrypted in the CSS standard, only the vob content |
12:33:31 | crwl | Galois, I wouldn't bother if I can just use dvd shrink :P |
12:33:41 | crashd | cce+ifoedit tbh |
12:33:44 | crashd | only way forward :) |
12:33:51 | Galois | agreed, but we're assuming that for some reason you can't use dvd shrink |
12:34:02 | Galois | anyway this is all seriously obsolete IMO. If you want a perfect copy, get a dual layer burner and disc |
12:34:13 | Mikachu | yeah, they're cheap |
12:34:19 | Mikachu | you could just as well buy the movie then |
12:34:20 | crwl | i've got dual layer burner myself, they're cheap, but the discs aren't |
12:34:21 | Galois | that's dead easy to copy. Even dd will do it. |
12:34:29 | crashd | the discs are stupidly expensive |
12:34:31 | crashd | for what they are, anyway |
12:34:42 | crwl | well, time will take the price down, I guess |
12:34:44 | crashd | it's to stop people just verbatim copying dvd i guess |
12:34:55 | Galois | we're not supposed to be encouraging piracy AFAIAC. |
12:35:00 | Galois | I mean, that's illegal outside the US |
12:35:08 | crashd | what is? |
12:35:19 | Galois | "piracy" |
12:35:27 | crashd | lol, no it isnt. |
12:35:28 | JdGordon | dual layer disks are still about $8 each, single layer disks are 40c each... |
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12:35:46 | crashd | piracy is a catchall for a variety of copyright infringements |
12:36:15 | * | Galois slaps crashd around a bit with intellectual property |
12:36:59 | crashd | in most sensible countries it's not a crime per say |
12:37:04 | crashd | and has to be pursued by the copyright owners |
12:37:07 | JdGordon | 4 hours and im back to full speed internet :D |
12:37:08 | Mikachu | "per se" |
12:37:12 | JdGordon | bloody shaped plans |
12:37:14 | crashd | no, it isnt a crime Mikachu |
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12:37:25 | Mikachu | i was just correcting your spelling |
12:37:27 | Mikachu | :P |
12:37:49 | crashd | ah yes, thank you |
12:38:04 | crashd | : ) |
12:38:46 | Galois | Memorex DVD+R 8.5GB Double Layer 2.4x 15 Pack Spindle by Memorex $29.99 amazon |
12:41:39 | crashd | $2 a pop |
12:41:52 | Galois | it's not $8 |
12:42:04 | crashd | indeed, but it's not pennies either |
12:42:05 | Galois | unless he means australian dollars or something |
12:42:14 | JdGordon | ye, aussie dollart |
12:43:43 | webguest83 | H140, Latest B Edge build, created playlist with 'Queue Shuffled' >100 files, Shuflle mode, %pp (playlist position) stops counting up and %pe (total number of playlist entries) starts counting down as files are skipped continuously in wps, these two basically get confused and swap roles. |
12:44:06 | Galois | it was not long ago that single-layer discs were $2. Give it time. |
12:45:14 | Lear | webguest83: queued entries are removed after play, so %pe should drop. |
12:45:26 | Galois | I personally think splitting an 8GB iso over two single layer discs and then waiting for the price of double layer discs to drop in the future is a better strategy than suffering the quality loss of re-encoding, although of course this is merely a hypothetical scenario and I am not actually in favor of piracy |
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12:45:44 | Lear | But why the files are skipped is more interesting. What format? Do they only skip if queued? |
12:45:54 | webguest83 | ah yes forgot about that, so i guess its normal behaviour then, sorry |
12:47:18 | webguest83 | mp3 lame@aps, and the counter only skips if queued |
12:47:53 | Lear | ah, but they file play okay? I first read it as it was not playing anything at all. :) |
12:47:55 | webguest83 | I guess it is difficult to define counter behaviour if files are queued |
12:49:02 | webguest83 | they play ok, its just the %pe/%pp display which is slightly confusing, until you reminded me that queued files are removed |
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13:44:26 | petur | amiconn: is it intenional that voice feedback is given for all entries when moveing fast through a menu? Or is it only playing a certain amount of them? |
13:44:58 | petur | bah weekendtyping |
13:45:43 | amiconn | This is because of the non-working voice preemtion on swcodec |
13:45:52 | amiconn | *preemption |
13:46:04 | petur | ok |
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13:50:20 | petur | and what's a thumbnail (in the voice code)? |
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13:50:58 | amiconn | A thumbnail is the .talk file for a directory or file |
13:51:12 | petur | ok |
13:51:40 | amiconn | These can be created by the VoiceBox script and a sapi5 compatible tts, or using own recordings |
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14:22:32 | Skyxcube | ? |
14:22:51 | Skyxcube | hi |
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14:23:38 | Skyxcube | are you here? |
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14:24:03 | petur | must be sunday |
14:24:05 | ravon | :D |
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14:28:07 | Skyxcube | hi |
14:28:40 | Skyxcube | i have a problem with my ipod and rockbox |
14:28:46 | Skyxcube | can you help me? |
14:29:04 | petur | amiconn:letting the recording buffer start after the voice buffer seems to solve the recording glitches, I can now have voice while recording :) |
14:29:08 | Skyxcube | i'm french so my english is bad but i can understand |
14:29:26 | petur | amiconn: but I get a crash after playback *every time* |
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14:29:43 | petur | Skycube: what's the problem? |
14:29:51 | Skyxcube | i explain : |
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14:30:14 | Skyxcube | i have an ipod 5G and i tryed to install rockbox yesterday |
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14:31:43 | Skyxcube | all the instalation process succeded but it don't run i have an error and impossible to connec my ipod to my pc |
14:32:28 | petur | what error? |
14:33:02 | Skyxcube | Rockbox boot loader > Version : 200601126-1839 > IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFF > TOSHIBA MK6008GAH > Partition 1: 0x0B 57121 M |
14:33:28 | Skyxcube | Loading Rockbox... WHAT GOES TO Rockbox error -1 |
14:33:50 | Skyxcube | Then Loading original firmware... and returns to the last message |
14:33:56 | Skyxcube | (loading rockbox) |
14:34:07 | petur | have you copied rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder to your ipod? |
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14:36:06 | Skyxcube | on the french forum where i found information about installation they wrote to disconnect and reconnect my ipod before copy the firmware |
14:36:33 | Skyxcube | "they wrote i have to"* |
14:36:59 | Skyxcube | (i think it isn very clever finally lol) |
14:37:29 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
14:37:36 | Skyxcube | i can reboot my ipod with MENU + OK but it continue after reboot... |
14:38:46 | petur | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Recovering_from_a_crash |
14:39:11 | Skyxcube | this first method doesn't work i tried it all this night lol |
14:40:07 | Skyxcube | the select button is OK? |
14:40:16 | Skyxcube | the middle button? |
14:40:32 | petur | wouldn't know, I don't have an ipod ;) |
14:40:45 | petur | just try |
14:41:16 | Skyxcube | youhouuuuu |
14:41:31 | Skyxcube | is says : ok to disconnect |
14:41:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Skyxcube: Hold Menu+Select, then as soon as the screen clears, hold Menu+Play |
14:41:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Skyxcube: You haven't copied over rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder yet, have you? |
14:42:00 | petur | ah, there you are :D |
14:42:02 | Skyxcube | i havent |
14:42:20 | Skyxcube | aaaa it's restart like yesterday |
14:42:40 | Skyxcube | but it's new with this method |
14:42:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox won't start until you've copied those files over. |
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14:43:31 | Skyxcube | i know but my pc dont want to find my ipod |
14:43:48 | Skyxcube | but now its good my ipod is regognized!! |
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14:44:06 | Skyxcube | oooo thank you very much!!!! |
14:44:28 | Skyxcube | MERCI MERCI MERCI MERCI MERCI!!!! |
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14:46:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good luck |
14:46:23 | Skyxcube | :) now i can run rockbox :d |
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15:11:03 | markun | amiconn: is that your sister who just made a wiki account? |
15:11:32 | amiconn | yup |
15:12:01 | markun | You're private beta tester :) |
15:12:08 | markun | your |
15:13:47 | markun | We are making progress with the gigabeat port btw. If we continue like this we should have 2 new columns added to the build table soon. |
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15:19:17 | dj-fu | sexy |
15:19:20 | dj-fu | that sounds promising |
15:19:24 | dj-fu | taking over the world, even. |
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15:37:28 | JdGordon | zzzzzzzzzzzz............. |
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15:53:27 | * | amiconn "thanks" Slasheri for breaking the charging anim on player :( |
15:54:50 | preglow | markun: cool |
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16:04:51 | scott666_ | Will tagcashe find music in the default ipod_control/music folder? |
16:13:04 | preglow | amiconn: just installed rockbox to a mini, no hitches |
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16:23:26 | preglow | release is put off, heh |
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16:25:09 | whatboutbob | Hehe...i guessed. I was just being a smartarse. |
16:25:32 | crashd | scott666|work: yeah |
16:25:42 | crashd | and, as long as they are tagged properly, you won't have any problems |
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16:26:19 | scf | aloha |
16:26:23 | lamed | hi guys |
16:26:25 | scott666|work | yeah, someone at work asked me to put rockbox on their ipod |
16:26:27 | scott666|work | so i did |
16:26:37 | scf | do cvs builds contain album art? |
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16:26:43 | scott666|work | and now neither tagcache nor the apple firmware can see his music |
16:26:48 | crashd | scott666|work: no |
16:27:00 | crashd | scott666|work: well, rockbox can always see it, if you use file browser |
16:27:06 | crashd | instead of ID3 Tag Cache Browsing |
16:27:28 | scott666|work | yeah but theyre in those FP0 folders |
16:27:31 | crashd | so there must be something awry there, either you didnt transfer them properly, or you've got it set to not browse using file browser/all files |
16:27:31 | whatboutbob | preglow: have you had another crack at optical, or have you given up in exasperation? |
16:27:34 | scott666|work | or whatever |
16:27:45 | crashd | scott666|work: well, tagcache should be fine, have you re-jigged the database? |
16:28:01 | scott666|work | i didnt touch his music, just installed rockbox |
16:28:01 | scott666|work | force update? yeah |
16:28:03 | scott666|work | is there more to it then that? |
16:28:10 | crashd | not afaia |
16:28:45 | lamed | sorry for interferencing, a question: do you think assigning a button is hackish - like this : if (rb->button_hold()) ; button = QUIT; |
16:29:01 | scott666|work | when i click artists with view set to id3 database it just sits there |
16:29:03 | preglow | whatboutbob: haven't had time |
16:29:10 | lamed | or is this no problem and could be accepted in CVS? |
16:29:19 | crashd | scott666|work: might be worth checking your doing everything right, and then filing a bug report then |
16:29:27 | crashd | i dont use tagcache, so cant really help you much further |
16:29:52 | scott666|work | yeah, i dont either |
16:30:02 | scott666|work | i think im just gonna tell him to re-copy his music to it |
16:30:05 | crashd | hehe |
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16:30:48 | whatboutbob | preglow: no worries. sorry...I shouldn't harrass you about it. henceforth i'll assume you'll mention it if you make any progess. |
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16:33:41 | whatboutbob | by-the-by...have you guys seen the ebay prices for 'new' H140's atm? $150 is just crazy. |
16:34:18 | preglow | yeah, i'll be asking for testers |
16:34:25 | preglow | oh |
16:35:10 | whatboutbob | ...the damn sellers only ship to north america tho. |
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16:36:13 | whatboutbob | 'tis prolly for the best. I surely don't need *another* spare unit. |
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16:38:02 | preglow | seems like this mini has serious battery problems |
16:39:37 | lamed | do you think assigning a button is hackish - like this : if (rb->button_hold()) ; button = PAUSE; the idea is to have the game auto pause when hold switch is on the simplest way, without duplicating code. is this trick ok? |
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16:46:51 | lamed | hmmm.. anyone, please? |
16:47:00 | Rickkkk | hiya ppl |
16:48:26 | preglow | i have no idea about button code |
16:50:01 | Mikachu | lamed: you could just add another case with a fallthrough |
16:50:11 | scf | I have X5 and scrolling flickers here, it is related to X5 only or rockbox in general? |
16:50:14 | Mikachu | lamed: no wait i'm stupid |
16:50:15 | Mikachu | heh |
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16:56:51 | dpro | re |
16:59:07 | lamed | well i just gonna upload it to FS and hope it'll get in, I think it's fairly good. cya all, tanks |
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17:10:20 | |Unknown| | hey |
17:10:53 | |Unknown| | does anyone know how to apply patches here? |
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17:13:28 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
17:15:05 | |Unknown| | the patch tool doesnt work |
17:15:06 | |Unknown| | http://www.fsf.org/software/patch/patch.html |
17:15:49 | crashd | |Unknown|: what platform are you using? |
17:16:28 | |Unknown| | windows |
17:16:35 | crashd | are you using cygwin? |
17:16:37 | |Unknown| | xp |
17:16:40 | |Unknown| | ya |
17:16:52 | crashd | if you installed the 'patch' package when you installed cygwin, or updated to it |
17:16:54 | Mikachu | what do you mean with "doesnt work"? |
17:17:00 | crashd | then you shouldnt have any problems |
17:17:15 | |Unknown| | ok |
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18:06:35 | dricx | i just wanna know when the rockbox team are going to release the gigabeat firmware?? |
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18:42:09 | amiconn | Bagder: Are you there? |
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18:53:32 | ravon | Anyone else who get crashes when using profiling? |
18:54:54 | ravon | This is so sweet. NSF sound works (only in 22kHz though) with seeking as subsong switching emulation. |
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20:06:51 | Bagder | amiconn: here now for a while |
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20:24:39 | amiconn | Bagder: I've prepared sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3 on my build machine. Switching will be a simple operation now... |
20:24:50 | amiconn | Bu /me has no time right now, bbl |
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20:25:47 | fubar | anything new out? |
20:26:05 | Mikachu | anything specific you're looking for? |
20:26:20 | fubar | nah, just wondering what awesome work the author's have completed |
20:26:28 | Mikachu | read the changelog :) |
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20:46:25 | paisj | is it possible to overclock ipod's cpu? LoL!!! |
20:47:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | paisj: I think it's possible, I suppose, but it's probably not going to be stable, have miserable battery life, and possible die a horribly melty death. |
20:47:31 | Mikachu | the max freq in the specs are 80mhz i think |
20:48:27 | Mikachu | and the minimum is 24khz or so |
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20:49:21 | linuxstb | 24khz would be fun... |
20:49:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually it depends on which iPod you have |
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20:49:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the Mini's max is supposed to be 100? |
20:49:44 | linuxstb | It is. |
20:50:10 | Mikachu | but rockbox runs 75 on all? |
20:50:37 | linuxstb | The maximum is 75, yes. |
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20:53:43 | paisj | hi ya all!!! Any way to get rockboy for nano? |
20:59:42 | paisj | dfsg |
20:59:55 | petur | linuxstb: saw the wps backdrop change on usb? I think that should be enough to fix that problem (from a short look at that code) |
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21:00:20 | linuxstb | Yes, I did notice that. Thanks for fixing. |
21:00:45 | petur | Am going through 3.0 bugreports that I can fix ;) |
21:01:46 | petur | I am fixing the clashing of voice and recording atm, and I've had to reduce the recording buffer with the voice buffer |
21:02:19 | petur | the nice thing is, I noticed voice and recording go together (even recorded voice output as proof) |
21:02:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | paisj: It's not easy, which is why nobody's done it yet. Most of the people with the skill are working on more important things. |
21:03:04 | petur | now I just want to make the recording screen voiced... |
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21:07:53 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: ? rockbox works pretty well on nanons |
21:08:13 | linuxstb | rockboy... |
21:08:31 | paisj | exactly |
21:08:32 | Mikachu | ah right, you could have picked a less stupid name :P |
21:08:54 | paisj | r u talkin to me? |
21:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Rockbox with a plugin named Rockboy leads to ALL kinds of confusion. |
21:09:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least X and Y are far enough apart on the keyboard (at least a QWERTY, I'm not familiar with Dvorak) that I tend to assume it's not a typo |
21:10:06 | Mikachu | only one bit differs too :) |
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21:10:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is true |
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21:11:51 | paisj | damn |
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21:12:48 | romanos_melodos | :P |
21:13:01 | petur | I knew it was you :P |
21:13:07 | romanos_melodos | hehehe |
21:13:14 | romanos_melodos | :P |
21:13:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Please tell me you're not also the person PMing me on the forums right now too. |
21:13:34 | romanos_melodos | hahahahahaghhahahahahaa |
21:13:39 | romanos_melodos | hillarious |
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21:14:10 | romanos_melodos | were u just answering back? |
21:14:13 | romanos_melodos | hahaha |
21:14:18 | romanos_melodos | oh gosh |
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21:14:42 | Mikachu | you greeks sure talk a lot |
21:14:48 | romanos_melodos | yep |
21:15:02 | * | petur hands Paul_The_Nerd a large *frozen* trout |
21:15:11 | Mikachu | it's considered rude, at least by me, to ask the same question in many places at the same time |
21:15:23 | romanos_melodos | ? |
21:15:26 | romanos_melodos | why is that |
21:15:39 | Mikachu | why do you think? |
21:15:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example you end up with the same person answering you in two places. |
21:15:52 | romanos_melodos | i didn't knew |
21:15:56 | Mikachu | or two different people, wasting their time |
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21:17:15 | romanos_melodos | i just didn't knew that paul is llorean.. |
21:17:21 | romanos_melodos | whatever |
21:17:25 | Mikachu | it doesn't matter if it's the same person |
21:17:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well the other thing is if one person answers your question here, you've wasted someone else's time there |
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21:18:37 | romanos_melodos | dunno.. i'm sorrry |
21:18:47 | romanos_melodos | i'm just trying to make this thing works |
21:19:10 | romanos_melodos | maybe someone else want that thing working in his nano as well |
21:19:29 | midkay | yes, many do. nobody wants to actually do it, though. |
21:19:31 | romanos_melodos | so , if we made something out of this would be really appreciated by someone else as well |
21:19:52 | Mikachu | romanos_melodos: you might have better luck after the feature freeze |
21:21:06 | romanos_melodos | whatever |
21:21:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other is that you might actually have better luck simply posting a single message in the iPod forums, as you've asked here before and found nobody here is really interested in doing it. I believe there's already a feature request, and it'll get done *eventually* |
21:21:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | As it is, you're not going to be able to actually *play* Rockboy properly |
21:21:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | For the moment it's simply much easier to just install iPodLinux and use its gameboy emulator |
21:22:02 | romanos_melodos | yeah but i mean.. how is it possible to use that for nano? |
21:22:17 | romanos_melodos | haven't they got the same problem with x and y axis? |
21:22:45 | romanos_melodos | or they really found a way for a universal kinda thing that works on all lcd's by resizing? |
21:22:48 | Mikachu | there are 96 buttons on the wheel, it's pretty hard to hit the right one though |
21:23:01 | midkay | Mikachu, only like four are used, right? |
21:23:13 | Mikachu | midkay: no i'm talking about the touch sensors |
21:23:16 | romanos_melodos | i reckon |
21:23:32 | midkay | Mikachu, right. but i mean there are 96, but they aren't all ever used at once. |
21:23:49 | midkay | if they were, it would indeed be hard. but only four buttons are made of that 96.. |
21:23:52 | midkay | or less. |
21:23:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: They only divide it into 8 for the Gameboy, lumping nearby ones together. |
21:23:55 | Mikachu | midkay: it only sends the one that is detected the most |
21:24:06 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah i was going to say that eventually |
21:24:07 | Mikachu | :) |
21:24:18 | Mikachu | midkay: but you can detect all 96 separately |
21:24:25 | midkay | Mikachu, yes, of course :) |
21:24:34 | Mikachu | but only one at a time |
21:24:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanos_melodos: They use a completely different gameboy emulator, so their problems are not the same as ours. |
21:25:07 | romanos_melodos | Paul_The_Nerd: i really apologise for breakin your balls back at the forum :P |
21:25:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't worry, compared to some of the questions I've been asked, yours weren't nearly as clueless as they seemed. :-P |
21:26:00 | romanos_melodos | :P |
21:27:20 | romanos_melodos | eventually i will end up using ipl's iboy i think.. but i really wanted to avoid this, as my nano has only 2GB and i heard some negative comments about rockbox performance after installing ipl.. |
21:27:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no reason at all for iPL to affect Rockbox's performance... |
21:28:49 | romanos_melodos | dunno.. just read that somewhere. |
21:28:58 | romanos_melodos | i'll give it a shot then |
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21:29:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | People tend to spread a lot of false information about various things because when something goes wrong they like to have a convenient place to lay the blame. |
21:30:02 | romanos_melodos | :) that was exactly what i was about to say |
21:30:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, all those "I followed the instructions exactly but Rockbox won't install there's something wrong with your software" posts that eventually resolve to "Oh, I skipped that step. It gave me some sort of error message, but I didn't read it. I didn't think it was important." |
21:30:50 | romanos_melodos | totally true |
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21:31:23 | romanos_melodos | but it happens all the time.. and that includes everyone of us |
21:31:29 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, i love those.. 'my ipod won't start but i followed all the steps' and half an hour later it's determined that they typed something wrong and got an error, but ignored it. |
21:31:56 | romanos_melodos | i had the same problem with doom one month ag |
21:31:57 | romanos_melodos | o |
21:32:21 | Mikachu | are you calling me stupid? |
21:32:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I don't understand the whole "ignoring error messages and hoping everything works when I pretend it didn't happen" mentality. |
21:32:27 | Mikachu | + smiley |
21:32:35 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: blame windows |
21:32:56 | petur | SEP |
21:32:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah.. haha. |
21:33:22 | romanos_melodos | is it possible to overclock ipod's cpu's? LOL :P |
21:33:36 | midkay | hahahahahahahahaha. yes. |
21:33:38 | midkay | :) |
21:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | We already covered that one. |
21:34:07 | romanos_melodos | i missed that :P |
21:34:13 | Mikachu | romanos_melodos: also appreciated on the internet are people who ask questions, then ignore the answer, then ask the same fscking question again |
21:34:24 | romanos_melodos | yeah |
21:34:46 | romanos_melodos | but you were talking for something else |
21:34:57 | romanos_melodos | so i didn't want to interrupt.. |
21:35:05 | petur | wtf, voice hanging on boot seems to be a timing issue, putting a splash before/after makes it go away :( |
21:35:23 | petur | I hate those kind of bugs |
21:35:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | So throw a sleep in there and call it a temporary hack fix, and then forget about it for six months until it becomes a real problem? |
21:35:42 | Mikachu | romanos_melodos: how is answering your exact question "talking about something else"? |
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21:36:36 | romanos_melodos | Mikachu you don't have to take things that serious.. |
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21:37:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, we have a lot of people in here who do a lot of stuff like that, so it's a good idea to explain to people early on that it's not appreciated. |
21:38:09 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd: not my kind of fix, thank you - note, I've seen this kind of fixes in the past and I hate them more than the bug they try to fix |
21:38:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: It was more a joke than anything else, which is why I went on to the whole "six months later" thing. :) |
21:39:05 | petur | sure, I knew :) |
21:39:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright hten |
21:39:26 | petur | just needed a reason to rant a bit more about it :D |
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21:40:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fair deal then |
21:40:24 | romanos_melodos | i'm looking at the ipl tutorial right now, and i have to say that it looks frustrating .. :P |
21:40:39 | midkay | and i'm absolutely obligated to say good luck! |
21:40:43 | romanos_melodos | i thought it would be much more easier |
21:40:59 | romanos_melodos | holy shit |
21:41:05 | romanos_melodos | someone just crashed |
21:41:09 | midkay | simple installation is not a feature of iPL.. |
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21:41:28 | midkay | like outside your house!? |
21:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanos_melodos: Yes. So now you have a clear idea of the minimum difficulty of getting Rockboy on Nano working. IpodLinux installation is *quite* easy in comparision. Piece of cake. |
21:43:13 | romanos_melodos | yeah |
21:43:16 | romanos_melodos | omg |
21:43:24 | romanos_melodos | that was fuckin awesome |
21:43:36 | romanos_melodos | carcrash |
21:43:40 | romanos_melodos | :P |
21:43:42 | midkay | very expensive cars involved?! |
21:43:46 | petur | awesome? |
21:43:51 | romanos_melodos | realx , no casualties |
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21:45:05 | midkay | whee! |
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21:45:32 | romanos_melodos | nah.. not that expensive.. just a fiesta with another renault |
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21:46:31 | romanos_melodos | it's kinda cool cause it's at the front door of my house |
21:46:32 | romanos_melodos | lol |
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21:46:53 | romanos_melodos | fuckin cops will arrive soon |
21:47:17 | midkay | haha. |
21:47:32 | romanos_melodos | :P |
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21:51:07 | romanos_melodos | i'm reading the instructions for installing ipl into ipod. After installing ipl , can i just place the .rockbox file on my fat root partition without doing the formating in the rockbox wiki? |
21:51:45 | romanos_melodos | i mean , there are some instructions on the rockbox page for the boot partition |
21:52:46 | romanos_melodos | so can i just follow ipl's instructions and just get the rockbox folder on my already created partition that i used to configure ipl? |
21:53:18 | midkay | huh? /.rockbox and rockbox.ipod belong on the large music fat32 partition. |
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21:54:30 | romanos_melodos | oh ok |
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21:55:03 | romanos_melodos | apple firmware and rockbox are on the same folder? |
21:55:12 | romanos_melodos | on the same partition? |
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22:09:22 | petur | does create_thread() always create the thread or check if the thread already exists? |
22:12:16 | petur | bleh... uninitialized variable |
22:12:59 | ravon | I really wish gcc was a little more strict about that. |
22:13:25 | petur | maybe it doesn't complain because it's static volatile? |
22:13:42 | petur | I have little experience with gcc |
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22:15:19 | romanos_melodos | greek food is the best food around the world |
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22:16:56 | romanos_melodos | i'm tired of eating all the english crap |
22:17:43 | ravon | bah, you have all the beer |
22:17:43 | BHSPitMonkey | wtf is English food, for that matter |
22:17:50 | ravon | You, the germans and the irish. |
22:18:05 | BHSPitMonkey | tea and crumpets? |
22:18:23 | romanos_melodos | i'm not in it for a dispute between nations.. |
22:18:39 | BHSPitMonkey | meh |
22:18:41 | BHSPitMonkey | just wondering |
22:19:05 | BHSPitMonkey | never really associated England as having its own international food variety |
22:19:14 | Mikachu | fish and chips? |
22:19:17 | romanos_melodos | yeah |
22:19:25 | romanos_melodos | they're great |
22:19:27 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
22:19:38 | romanos_melodos | but i can't eat fish & chips the rest of my life |
22:19:40 | BHSPitMonkey | maybe I shouldn't have brought it up |
22:19:44 | BHSPitMonkey | now I'm hungry |
22:19:48 | romanos_melodos | yeah |
22:19:50 | romanos_melodos | me too |
22:19:50 | ravon | I'm amazed UK doesn't beat US in fatso. |
22:19:51 | BHSPitMonkey | romanos_melodos, order a pizza |
22:19:55 | romanos_melodos | nah |
22:20:04 | romanos_melodos | done that last thursday |
22:20:08 | BHSPitMonkey | meh |
22:20:14 | BHSPitMonkey | I could go for a pizza right now... |
22:20:21 | BHSPitMonkey | anything would suffice though |
22:20:22 | romanos_melodos | i had souvlaki from a greek taverna yesterday |
22:20:25 | BHSPitMonkey | someone DCC me a sandwich |
22:20:30 | romanos_melodos | it was freakin gorgeous :P |
22:20:40 | ravon | What's the status of gcc 4.1? Does Rockbox work with it? |
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22:21:37 | romanos_melodos | btw, why the heel don't they replace hams and pizzas with souvlaki? You guys have to give it a shot |
22:21:46 | romanos_melodos | why the hell .. lol |
22:21:51 | romanos_melodos | :P |
22:22:47 | romanos_melodos | they constantly feed us with all the shit.. political shit.. food shit.. |
22:22:49 | romanos_melodos | damn |
22:24:13 | romanos_melodos | thanx god that someone created rockbox and i don't have to stick in with apple's stupid firmware :P |
22:25:10 | romanos_melodos | i think gnu , is much better than paying for something.. |
22:25:25 | romanos_melodos | windows vs linux rockbox vs apple tec.. |
22:25:27 | romanos_melodos | etc. |
22:26:23 | romanos_melodos | so quality is not always a matter of money.. |
22:26:43 | romanos_melodos | but all these thoughts made me even hungrier :P |
22:27:33 | ravon | uh. "region PLUGIN_IRAM is full". Doesn't work :/ |
22:27:36 | scf | thinking takes pawa :D |
22:27:59 | Mikachu | thinking takes twice the power of resting |
22:28:05 | Mikachu | ravon: what are you doing? |
22:28:18 | ravon | Mikachu: Trying to compile with gcc 4.1 |
22:28:22 | Mikachu | ah |
22:28:25 | Mikachu | maybe it produces larger code |
22:28:43 | ravon | Most of it compiled. It stopped a the vorbis codec. |
22:29:00 | Mikachu | the vorbis codec isn't put in iram on ipods because it's too large |
22:29:06 | Mikachu | maybe gcc 4.1 put it over the limit for your...? |
22:29:20 | ravon | X5 |
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22:29:41 | Mikachu | you could try randomly removing a few lines with ICODE_ATTR in the tremor/ dir |
22:29:49 | ravon | oki |
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22:30:34 | Mikachu | i think i only had to remove one to enable it |
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22:31:29 | ravon | yup, compiles now |
22:31:58 | romanos_melodos | guys i need some help with ipl.. if i install ipl in my nano do i have to follow again tha steps for creating the boot partition from the rockbox page? |
22:32:15 | Mikachu | you don't have to |
22:32:34 | Mikachu | you can ignore all the steps on installing ipl that involve touching the boot partition |
22:32:36 | romanos_melodos | so can i just stick my .rockbox file to my root fat partition? |
22:32:51 | Mikachu | are we reformatting the fat partition here? |
22:33:00 | romanos_melodos | oh |
22:33:01 | romanos_melodos | wait |
22:33:10 | Mikachu | .rockbox is a directory, not a file... |
22:33:16 | romanos_melodos | i have to make everything from the beginning right? |
22:33:25 | Mikachu | you have to resize either sda1 or sda2 to fit the linux partition |
22:33:35 | romanos_melodos | yikes.. |
22:33:36 | Mikachu | but it's not recommended to shrink sda1 |
22:33:40 | romanos_melodos | and how do i do that? |
22:33:54 | Mikachu | that would be detailed in the ipl installation instructions |
22:33:58 | romanos_melodos | yeah |
22:34:13 | romanos_melodos | so should i just back up everything and follow the ipl instructions? |
22:34:25 | Mikachu | that would be the most failsafe method |
22:34:31 | Mikachu | i think |
22:34:40 | romanos_melodos | have u done it on yours? |
22:34:45 | Mikachu | i installed ipl first |
22:34:48 | romanos_melodos | i mean installing ipl.. |
22:35:05 | Mikachu | before rockbox |
22:35:08 | romanos_melodos | yeah |
22:35:24 | romanos_melodos | how many partitions do i have to do? |
22:35:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I installed iPL after Rockbox, but if "resize the fat32 partition and use the remaining space to create an ext3 partition" doesn't bring to mind immediate images of how to do it, you're probably best following their instructions |
22:35:41 | Mikachu | what he said |
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22:40:13 | RaeNye | Anyone alive here? Let's talk about X5 dual-boot. |
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22:40:44 | ravon | For some reason my CVS builds _always_ restart the first time I boot Rockbox. Works good the second time though. |
22:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaeNye: Most of the core devs are focused on things that actually pertain to the 3.0 release right now, since it's behind schedule |
22:42:09 | RaeNye | MY X5 dual-boot |
22:42:19 | RaeNye | (I have a problem with my patch) |
22:42:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | What kinda problem? |
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22:43:48 | RaeNye | ADC read fails |
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22:44:04 | RaeNye | (it always boots RB) |
22:44:32 | RaeNye | I rebased the RB bootloader and added a check for REC button |
22:46:38 | Mikachu | maybe some stuff isn't initialised at that point |
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22:47:26 | RaeNye | No, I call the function from the preloader (the firmware part from 0x0 to 0x10000) |
22:47:55 | RaeNye | It uses ADC to check for low batt before passing control to the firmware |
22:48:28 | Mikachu | maybe the buttons require special init |
22:49:22 | RaeNye | RB doesn't do any special ADC init |
22:50:54 | RaeNye | the code just does "write(0x2f, <requested adc channel>); result = read(0x30)" |
22:50:57 | Mikachu | button_init has some stuff for X5 |
22:51:03 | Mikachu | #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5_PAD |
22:51:03 | Mikachu | /* Power, Remote Play & Hold switch */ |
22:51:03 | Mikachu | GPIO_FUNCTION |= 0x0e000000; |
22:51:03 | Mikachu | GPIO_ENABLE &= ~0x0e000000; |
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22:51:23 | Mikachu | i am sort of guessing here |
22:51:59 | RaeNye | that's for the non-ADC stuff. |
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22:52:19 | RaeNye | hold/on for the main unit and the remote have their own GPIO pin |
22:52:36 | RaeNye | ADC goes through PCF50606's I2C |
22:53:06 | OnkelJonas2 | hey... anyone care to try and help me? I have managed to almost kill off my ihp120 :( |
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22:54:00 | bluefoxicy | rolling back a week |
22:54:05 | bluefoxicy | I'm getting all static on the daily builds |
22:54:42 | Mikachu | eq on? |
22:55:20 | OnkelJonas2 | anyways - bootloader usb mode works and I can boot the original firmware, but it freezes with a blank screen when booting rockbox :( |
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22:55:55 | bluefoxicy | Mikachu: nope. ipod video |
22:56:02 | RaeNye | Onkel: try to reset settings or install a fresh rockbox? |
22:56:16 | Mikachu | bluefoxicy: eq = equaliser |
22:56:16 | bluefoxicy | hmm |
22:56:21 | bluefoxicy | must be me |
22:56:29 | bluefoxicy | I was untaring everything but the configurations overtop the existing dirs |
22:56:32 | Mikachu | bluefoxicy: do i remember your name from #ocremix? |
22:56:46 | bluefoxicy | Mikachu: yes, what the hell do you think is on my iPod, the spice girls? |
22:56:58 | Mikachu | :P |
22:57:17 | Mikachu | haven't been there in years |
22:57:27 | bluefoxicy | :P |
22:57:42 | OnkelJonas2 | I've tried with several builds already... |
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22:58:45 | RaeNye | it shows anything before freezing? |
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22:59:17 | OnkelJonas2 | yea... 2 seconds |
22:59:20 | clutch | cool. |
22:59:46 | RaeNye | you get to see the RB boot text? the RB logo? |
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23:00:50 | OnkelJonas2 | sorry... it doesn't have a blank screen - I get: |
23:00:50 | OnkelJonas2 | Rockbox boot loader |
23:00:50 | OnkelJonas2 | Version 6 |
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23:00:50 | OnkelJonas2 | Batt: x.xxV" |
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23:02:09 | OnkelJonas2 | I played around with Linux on it, and likely did funky stuff to the partitiontable/mbr or whatever... |
23:02:32 | OnkelJonas2 | I reformatted as fat32 in windows XP |
23:03:03 | OnkelJonas2 | the original firmware has no problems at all it appears |
23:03:29 | RaeNye | how many partitions do you have on it? |
23:03:38 | OnkelJonas2 | only 1 now |
23:04:13 | RaeNye | which cluster size? |
23:04:22 | OnkelJonas2 | good question :) |
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23:04:48 | RaeNye | create a 1 byte file and see its "size on disk" |
23:05:23 | OnkelJonas2 | 16KB |
23:05:28 | RaeNye | HD is 20GB? |
23:05:33 | OnkelJonas2 | yes |
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23:06:05 | RaeNye | I think you could do with 8kb. My X5L assumes cluster size is at most 8kb |
23:06:38 | OnkelJonas | thx... I'll try that |
23:06:43 | RaeNye | Good luck! |
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23:07:40 | RaeNye | Hi Jens. Would you like to help me with my X5 dual-boot patch? |
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23:10:02 | amiconn | RaeNye: I don't know how I could help. I have no X5 |
23:10:31 | amiconn | Furthermore, working towards the 3.0 release certainly has priority, and X5 isn't a 3.0 release target |
23:10:43 | RaeNye | Maybe you have a iriver and you know anything about ADC... |
23:11:14 | RaeNye | I know X5 is only scheduled at 3.1, but I believe I'm almost there. |
23:11:27 | OnkelJonas | pfff... I can't change clustersize when formatting in windows. Anyone know of a quick tool to do that with? |
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23:11:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have some 'complaints' about sudoku... |
23:12:08 | RaeNye | I rebased the RB bootloader, merged it into the OF and added a check for REC button. But ADC write fails and it always boots RB :( |
23:12:29 | petur | amiconn: is it ok for you that I move the start of the recording buffer after the voice buffer (talk_get_buffersize)? it solves the clash but decreases the recording buffer a bit. |
23:12:32 | amiconn | (1) The automatic game generation on startup isn't interruptable. Very annoying if you have to wait a minute before being able to do anything |
23:13:02 | amiconn | petur: Sure, I thought it would already be handled that way until your discovery... |
23:13:39 | petur | ok, after that commit I can see to get the recording screen voiced |
23:13:50 | amiconn | (2) The game generation doesn't even yield, so it interferes with music playback. On swcodec it stops within seconds, on archos it stops when the buffer is empty |
23:14:32 | amiconn | petur: For voicing the recording screen we _have_ to push per-platform .lang entries forward |
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23:15:33 | petur | well only SWCODEC targets will support it *if* they do audio full duplex (which the iriver does without effort it seems) |
23:16:21 | amiconn | (3) If you call 'new' from the menu, then set up your own game, then call 'save' the filename input line is empty. This is very confusing because you have to know that you have to input the whole path, and rockbox only accepts absolute paths... |
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23:17:15 | amiconn | petur: Yes. I mean, the <voice> entries in the .lang for the recording screen should depend on the target |
23:17:33 | petur | gotcha |
23:17:36 | amiconn | This also means generating per-platform voice files (which is planned) |
23:18:07 | petur | I'll better look at the crash-at-boot bug then... |
23:18:09 | amiconn | I wonder whether we'll hear anything from Cassandra regarding at&t before release... |
23:18:20 | RaeNye | Would you recommend me any X5 owner to discuss my patch with? |
23:18:32 | petur | LinusN? |
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23:19:26 | petur | I mean... RaeNye: LinusN? |
23:19:30 | amiconn | petur: There is still a load of bugs to fix... I wonder whether we'll be able to release on the 15th |
23:19:36 | RaeNye | yeah, I PM'd him. I guess I'll wait until he logs in. |
23:19:57 | petur | amiconn: most are playback/voice related |
23:20:21 | amiconn | There are also some bugs on hwcodec introduced by uncautious changes... |
23:21:03 | amiconn | (and some old ones nobody bothered to fix until today, like the player credits bug introduced with unicode support) |
23:23:11 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 minutes and 50 seconds at the last flood |
23:23:11 | * | amiconn wants back his charging anim on player :/ |
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23:24:08 | amiconn | petur: Speaking about voice, there's also a bug on archos that _seems_ to be introduced recently, but I can't see why yet |
23:24:33 | amiconn | On Ondio, voice doesn't work after booting. It starts working after playing some music |
23:24:43 | amiconn | On recorders and player it works... |
23:25:09 | * | amiconn has to figure out what's going on there |
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23:28:37 | Moos | RaeNye: you can use the mailing list maybe you'll got luck |
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23:29:08 | markun | amiconn: I had a patch for the player credis bug |
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23:32:45 | RaeNye | Moos: 10x, I will. The forums don't seem to be the correct place for such technicalities, but rockbox-dev sure is. |
23:33:16 | Moos | yep the developer one seems to be fine for this |
23:33:25 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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23:36:57 | amiconn | markun: Have a link? Is it in the tracker? |
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23:40:30 | petur | hmmm... this seems sooo wrong: |
23:41:29 | petur | at startup, via audio_init somehow a filebuf gets set to audiobuf, then talk_init is called and also uses that buffer |
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23:55:44 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should open bug reports for the bugs known to him |
23:55:52 | amiconn | None of these are in the tracker... |
23:57:15 | petur | does anybody know WHY talk_init() is done after audio_init and pcm_rec_init? because swapping them around seems to fix the voice crash at boot... |
23:57:36 | petur | it seems so wrong to me there must be a reason I'm not seeing |
23:58:06 | * | petur is affraid to break some obscure feature he doesn't use |
23:58:25 | amiconn | I think talk_init() has to be done after audio_init() on hwcodec |
23:58:35 | amiconn | Note that I am not sure |