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#rockbox log for 2006-05-01

00:00:23 Join JoeBorn [0] (
00:01:13*amiconn is scared by the number of open bugs :/
00:01:52peturthose for 3.0 are going down :)
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00:02:34amiconnHmm, but I think a number of the unspecified bugs should really be fixed before 3.0 as well
00:02:57*amiconn just closed a bug marked as due in 3.1
00:03:17amiconnThis was fixed weeks ago, just not closed
00:04:49peturrecording buffer with the voice buffer substracted gives about 5 seconds less before flush
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00:10:28peturamiconn: the only thing talk_init does for hwcodec is call reset_state, which only resets some vars. So no harm there I think
00:13:32amiconnThat's not true. It also calls load_voicefile(), which needs the audiobuffer being initialised
00:14:38peturI was under the impression that audiobuffer is fixed by the linker?
00:14:57peturor do you mean 'filled with zero'?
00:15:19amiconnBtw, talk_init calls load_voicefile() on swcodec as well
00:15:39amiconn'audiobuffer' is determined at link time, but 'audiobuf' is variable
00:16:01peturahum sorry ;)
00:16:26amiconnIt is set to 'audiobuffer' by buffer_init(), then buffer_alloc() allows taking ram from the buffer _before_ audio_init()
00:17:44amiconnOkay, that means you can put talk_init() before audio_init, as long as there's no other init inbetween that uses buffer_alloc()
00:18:23amiconnPerhaps talk_init() should use buffer_alloc() on swcodec to set the voice buffer aside?
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00:18:53amiconnThat sounds like a more straightforward approach than doing it in the audio code
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00:24:17OnkelJonasAhhh... windows XP formatting makes a logical partition - Rockbox wants a primary :)
00:24:49Mikachuyou can make primary in windows too, but maybe you have to know what you're doing ;)
00:25:05BHSPitMonkeydid you use the disk management util?
00:25:16BHSPitMonkeyor just the My Computer, right-click util
00:25:42OnkelJonaslet me refrase that - windows XP formatting *by default* makes a logical partition
00:25:46*amiconn wonders why the buffers are allocated in such a weird way in playback.c
00:25:51OnkelJonasmy comp, right click
00:26:13MikachuOnkelJonas: right click on my computer, manage, disk management, and from there you can do more fun thnigs
00:26:58OnkelJonasI know... but when you have no clue that an extended partition can be a problem, the option to change it doesn't really matter
00:27:25BHSPitMonkeywell now you do.
00:27:35Mikachuthat's true
00:27:53OnkelJonasyea... only took me 3 hours :D
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00:31:05 Part OnkelJonas
00:34:20peturamiconn: if you select a new language, shouldn't audio and recording be re-initialized? As the size of the voice file may have changed...
00:35:16 Quit lee-qid_ ("Trillian (")
00:35:55markunamiconn: I'll look it up tomorrow
00:36:30amiconnpetur: Afaik this is done for playback. That's the reason why a .cfg selecting a new language stops playback
00:37:01amiconnFor recording, it's not absolutely necessary. You cannot select a new language while recording
00:37:58amiconnOn hwcodec, all this is of course unnecessary
00:38:01peturbah, my first score :(
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00:38:54ashridahhow working is rockbox's playback code atm? :)
00:39:21peturwtf, I didn't get that warning when building here :(
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00:40:56webguest70hello, I was wondering if I could get some help for just a minute
00:41:34webguest70I'm experimenting with id3v2.4 tags on my Archos Recorder, and the tag info doesn't seem to be displaying
00:41:47webguest70(with latest stable Rockbox)
00:42:11webguest70I've been searching the Rockbox site and haven't found any information concerning v2.4 tags so far
00:42:37peturamiconn: what would be an allowed way to pass the size of the talk buffer to the init of pcm_recording?
00:43:07peturfirmware shouldn't call software, right?
00:43:10BHSPitMonkeywebguest70, have you looked at that part of the code?
00:44:04webguest70I was wondering if my custom WPS was bad or something
00:44:14webguest70What code of what, exactly?
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00:45:40webguest96what is the date for V3.0 release ?
00:45:59Mikachuif all goes well, 16th or 15th may iirc
00:46:07webguest96I dont find the info on the web site anywhere
00:46:23Mikachulook at the mailing list archives
00:46:45webguest96any chance of as but wiki home page would be nicer no ?
00:47:06webguest96that is pure gibberish, ignore please
00:47:54webguest96what I wanted to say was, perhaps it could be put up on the wiki's home page
00:47:55Mikachuthere is , but it seems to be not up-to-date
00:48:31webguest96thats what I mean, the new release date should be reflected there perhaps,
00:50:36Mikachuthat's not an error message just stop responding there...
00:50:59Mikachuno idea then
00:51:04Genre9mp3it stucks eternaly
00:51:10 Part webguest96
00:51:30scott666is there any speculation on when an official version supporting the ipods will be out?
00:51:41ashridahweird. is down?
00:51:47Mikachuthat page a few lines up optimistically claims november 2006
00:52:14Mikachuashridah: heh, seems like it, but it worked 20 seconds ago
00:52:29ashridahthere we go
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00:55:58 Nick scf is now known as Zzzcf (
00:56:56webguest70anything else about id3v2.4 support on Rockbox?
00:57:07webguest70My WPS simply seems not to get the id3 info
00:57:29dpassen1what program is writing the tags?
00:57:35webguest70new foobar2000
00:57:56dpassen1thats what i use
00:58:39webguest70In the older version, 0.8.3, I tagged MP3s with APEv2 and id3v1.1, and that was fine.
00:58:46dpassen1I had been thinking the tags show up, since in the Show ID3 Info I can see ReplayGain information
00:59:35webguest70Then I noticed that there was a newer foobar2000 and that it tagged with id32.4 by default
00:59:45webguest70And I wanted to see how that worked with Rockbox
00:59:57Mikachujust use ogg instead
00:59:58*Mikachu ducks
01:00:03dpassen1If you host a small file, I'll check it out
01:00:07webguest70I would love too
01:00:12dpassen1I'm using a slightly old build of Rockbox
01:00:13webguest70to* (use OGG)
01:01:20webguest70Yes, I am still running a Recorder 20 (version 1)
01:01:53webguest70I am going to use it until it won't work anymore, haha
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01:03:19webguest70Well, the "Show ID3 Info" dialog only detects the tracknumber, and things like the length and the bitrate. Nothing else is displayed.
01:03:48dpassen1Its gonna be hard to diagnose without an example file, I'm afraid.
01:03:58Mikachui am pretty certain rockbox is supposed to support id3v2.4
01:04:00webguest70okay, one minute
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01:05:29peturhmmm... voice doesn't eat itself anymore since I moved the init calls around
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01:10:24Genre9mp3OK...after a system reboot now I get a "../build/firmware/dep-firmware:184: *** missing separator" error
01:10:46Genre9mp3what's that?
01:16:30webguest70okay, I have a small MP3 ready...
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01:22:53webguest70ok, dpessen1, the url is
01:23:09webguest70I tried to PM you but apparently it was blocked, haha
01:23:32peturyou need to be registered to send PM
01:23:47webguest70I noticed that in the "Status," oops
01:25:52webguest70dpassen1 *
01:26:10webguest70I am typing particularly poorly today. :P
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01:33:06Moossame score :(
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01:37:51bleakedi'm sorry that this question is not specifically rockbox-related, but i thought i might probe some of your minds.. for some reason my ipod nano will not allow me to transfer songs onto it, or even delete any files off of it.. i use the kpod kioslave to automount it, then amarok to transfer the songs through it's VFAT interface. i have also tried transferring files via the console, and yes, even as root, and it still does not allow me.
01:38:31bleakedthe error says that it's a read-only file system.
01:38:52bleakedso, i thought the kioslave was mounting it ro
01:39:04bleakedso i manually mounted it, and still the same thing.
01:39:08bleakedand i'm puzzled
01:39:16bleakedand i feel like i'm missing the obvious or something.
01:39:35bleakeddoes anyone have any suggestions?
01:41:58bleakedwhen mounting a vfat device, does one have to specifically mount it as read/write? i have not tried that since i've never needed to do that with any device in the past.
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01:42:31*petur has no idea
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01:57:50peturphew no more red builds
02:01:15 Quit petur ("Zzzz")
02:05:04 Join rockboy [0] (n=romanos@
02:05:42rockboyhi! My friend has a nano and i was wondering if there's anyone to port that for nano as well
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02:06:16scott666AFAIK there's already a port working for the Nano
02:06:54Mikachuscott666: rockboy, not rockbox
02:07:26scott666sorry, didnt read his nick
02:07:45 Nick rockboy is now known as romanos_melodos (n=romanos@
02:08:35romanos_melodosu knew that it was me mikachu didn't u...
02:09:38romanos_melodoswell , i've installed ipl on my nano and it's a piece of shit
02:10:00Mikachui had an inkling!
02:10:26romanos_melodosit took me about an hour to find a way of getting the ipl loader and using rockbox and ipl
02:10:33Mikachuyou seem to not understand basic netiquette, so i won't answer any more of your questions
02:11:06romanos_melodoso common
02:11:15romanos_melodosit's not bad having fun sometimes
02:11:36romanos_melodosexcept if this place is just for robotic questions and answers
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02:14:14romanos_melodossas prizw ta arxidia, as we say in greek
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02:14:29romanos_melodosor sas prisw ta arhidia
02:15:55romanos_melodosok.. i'm gonna shut up from now on..
02:17:37mzilikaziipod 4g, followed the directions for installing from linux, all seemed to go well but after Write the new boot partition image back to the iPod, the ipod still says "do not disconnect" but the ipod is not mounted, disconnect anyway?
02:19:25Mikachumzilikazi: eject
02:19:41Mikachueg "eject /dev/sda"
02:19:41romanos_melodoscross your fingers
02:20:20biffheromzilikazi: can you "eject /dev/sda" ?
02:20:34mzilikazithat works
02:22:32romanos_melodosi have back-uped all my files , but it seems that it takes ages to get them back to my root dir. Can i just make a rar of them, get the rar in my root and then unzipp them there?
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02:23:30Paul_The_NerdI imagine that'll take longer.
02:23:47romanos_melodoswhy is that?
02:23:56romanos_melodosthe rar will be smaller..
02:24:09romanos_melodosu mean the unzip process?
02:24:46Paul_The_NerdLessee... A) Write all the files to the disk. B) Write a rar to the disk. Then read the rar, extract it, and then while extracting, write all the files to the disk.
02:24:51Paul_The_NerdNotice how B has A in it.
02:25:09mzilikaziso after writing the new boot partition w/ rockboot.bin, reboot, unzip daily build to root dir of ipod, it should look like this?
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02:25:13mzilikazidrwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 1979-12-31 23:00 Calendars
02:25:13mzilikazidrwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 1979-12-31 23:00 Contacts
02:25:13mzilikazidrwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2009-04-22 13:24 iPod_Control
02:25:13DBUGEnqueued KICK mzilikazi
02:25:13mzilikazidrwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2006-04-29 22:34 .rockbox
02:25:13mzilikazi-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 345040 2006-04-29 22:32 rockbox.ipod
02:25:58Mikachuexcept you should mount it as your user probably
02:26:50romanos_melodosit's really absurd that it takes that long for just copying .bmp files .. well they're big
02:27:10romanos_melodoswhat's a bitmap doing in rockbox anyway?
02:27:21Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: Those are parts of the WPSes.
02:27:34romanos_melodosoh ok
02:27:53Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: Also, if you boot into the Retail firmware, and use the disk mode there, file transfers tend to be faster.
02:28:32romanos_melodosi'll do that next time as am about to finish
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02:30:57midkayPaul_The_Nerd, although they seem noticeably faster, considering the time it takes to boot into retail firmware (like 15s on my 5G) it's almost not worth it..
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02:31:31Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, on the Nano retail boots notably more quickly, and a transfer of the full .rockbox folder can take a time somewhere in the *minutes*
02:31:59romanos_melodosit should take about 5s to boot
02:32:08Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The Nano has a somewhat crippled disk mode, with incredibly horrible transfers.
02:32:16midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah, nano's a bit different then :) hw diskmode .zip transfer only takes about 45 seconds for me, and booting to the retailos would shorten that but it basically negates that due to the slow boot time.
02:32:44Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, I happened to know that romanos_melodos there had a Nano as I saw him mention it earlier. :)
02:33:13romanos_melodosrockboy on nano :P
02:33:15midkayPaul_The_Nerd, aha :) interesting that it's much slower..
02:33:42midkayromanos_melodos, i knew you had a nano (or if i had thought about it for a few seconds). i wasn't aware, however, that the nano was god-awful slow in the HW diskmode.
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02:34:34romanos_melodosmy gosh
02:34:45mzilikazihmm looks like i hosed it up somehow, on reboot i get the apple logo then a folder w/ an exclaimation point, holding SELECT & PLAY down doesn't want to go to disk mode
02:35:03mzilikazinor will it boot into apple firmware
02:35:06midkayselect+play _always_ works.
02:35:11midkayyou just need to do it at the right time.
02:35:21midkayselect+menu to reboot, select+play immediately after the LCD clears.
02:35:40Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Once you're at that screen, it's too late for Select+Play. You need to hold Menu+Select until the screen clears, and then as soon as you see the apple logo release them for Select+Play
02:36:05Paul_The_NerdOr yeah, what midkay said
02:36:34Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'm building a fresh Nano build anyway. I'll watch the actual time in disk mode and let you know. (My build is modified to reboot into Retail on USB insert for obvious reasons, but I'll force a disk mode 'n try it out.)
02:37:10midkayPaul_The_Nerd, cool, i'd like to hear
02:37:28romanos_melodosr u bulding a fresh nano build? consider about getting rockboy on that release? :P
02:37:43CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:37:43*midkay laughs hysterically
02:37:52*Paul_The_Nerd sighs
02:37:54midkaynot-april fools!
02:37:55mzilikazithe ipod won't stay powered on, instad it shuts off by itself so it doesn't ever actually reboot
02:38:04midkayoh. wait.
02:38:07midkaystill april here.
02:38:31Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Just hold keep holding menu+play and I guarantee it'll eventually reboot. Don't let go until you see an Apple Logo.
02:38:39Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Unless the battery is dead.
02:38:57midkayPaul_The_Nerd, wasn't the nano LCD just like 8 pixels too small for gameboy?
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02:39:19Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I think it's 16.
02:40:09Paul_The_NerdIt'll be better than the H120 was though
02:40:44midkayi was going to say it might be worth just cutting the display off to shut all these people up, until code is put in to resize..
02:41:08Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well the problem is that all the colour drawing routines assume that the screen is at least able to do fullscreen.
02:41:39scott666does rockboy work on the 5G ipod?
02:41:43midkayfullscreen 'mode'?
02:41:51midkayscott666, yes, but it's hardly usable on iPods.
02:41:51Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: As in, 1 pixel per pixel scaling.
02:41:52mzilikazii think i need to run thru the install process again, just start over or put apple firmware back on first?
02:42:01scott666yeah, thats what im experiencing
02:42:09scott666theres no A or B button mapped
02:42:09Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: To me "Fullscreen" is "It shows the full screen" not "It fills the full screen." Sorry. =/
02:42:27midkayPaul_The_Nerd, gotcha.. argh.
02:42:44midkayscott666, right. if you want to use A or B you kind of have to remap the buttons each time or something.
02:42:54midkayi didn't play with it long enough to get anywhere
02:43:09Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Well that depends. Did you keep the *original* bootpartition.bin. Usually the problem you're having is if you already started again halfway through, or if you did a step wrong. But that depends, does it show the Rockbox bootloader at all while trying to boot?
02:43:21TxdoHawkI can't imagine why everybody wants Doom and Rockboy on their iPod. Now, Sokoban, that I can get behind.
02:43:23scott666the ROMs i downloaded are in japaneses anyway
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02:43:31mzilikaziPaul_The_Nerd: no rockbox boot loader
02:43:34scott666Doom is playable
02:43:48mzilikazii do have the original bootpartition.bin
02:43:59Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Copying now
02:44:01midkaydoom is fine for me..
02:44:05MikachuTxdoHawk: sokoban already works fine i think
02:44:06midkayPaul_The_Nerd, k :)
02:44:32Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Okay, then you should restart from the step immediately after extracting bootpartition.bin. Now, it was a completely clean one right (no iPodlinux or anything else already installed when you extracted it?)
02:45:02mzilikazisome time ago i did install ipodlinux but it was since removed
02:45:11TxdoHawkYeah, that's why I brought it up. That kind of gameplay seems a lot more suited to the control set of an mp3 player.
02:45:22TxdoHawkNow mind you, I own a DS so I'm a little biased.
02:45:27Paul_The_NerdI feel anything where the game is not proactive against you.
02:45:28Mikachui'm on level 6 or something on doom
02:45:41mzilikazinot sure how i removed ipodlinux tho...
02:45:53MikachuTxdoHawk: doom is mostly for the wow factor
02:46:07Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Well, you need a completely clean bootpartition (as in, factory condition. What you'd get after a restore with the utility.)
02:46:25mzilikaziPaul_The_Nerd: hmm does tha mena booting windows or osx?
02:46:26romanos_melodoswhat the heck? my rockbox files need 70 minutes??
02:46:34Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: Windows
02:46:53Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: I told you to copy in the Retail firmware's disk mode.
02:46:55mzilikazioh of course fat32
02:47:02mzilikazihmmm where to find a windows box......
02:47:12romanos_melodosok i'll try it asap
02:47:35Paul_The_Nerdmzilikazi: There are instructions in the Wiki for preparing a Fat32 ipod on an OSX system, but it depends upon you having one of the specific models we have files prepared for (I don't remember which)
02:47:39Mikachumzilikazi: you didn't save the original boot partition file you extracted when you installed ipl?
02:48:14romanos_melodosthanx paul
02:48:16Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: And done. Give or take ~10 seconds.
02:48:23romanos_melodoswhy the heck is that happening any way?>
02:48:24midkayjesus christ..
02:48:42Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah. I toldja it was slow. And that was *just* rockbox.ipod and the stock contents of the .rockbox folder, and one additional codec.
02:48:57midkayi wonder why that is
02:49:34Paul_The_NerdClearly Apple hates me, and wants to spite me at every turn.
02:49:38mzilikaziMikachu: well i installed ipodlinux probably a year ago but never i use the ipod since it could not play ogg files
02:49:38romanos_melodosare u gonna deal with that patch nerd?
02:49:52romanos_melodosi mean with the file transfer in nano
02:49:57midkayPaul_The_Nerd, hahaha
02:50:01mzilikaziso the ipod was a decorative item only :)
02:50:14mzilikazihmm windows in vmware maybe?
02:50:34Mikachuwhy wouldn't the restore work on a mac?
02:50:42Mikachudoes it autamatically make it hfs then?
02:50:46mzilikazii don't have a mac
02:50:58mzilikazii'm poor :)
02:51:03Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: The patch wasn't written by me. The developers seem to currently prefer the disk mode as it is, even on Nano. It'd be *really* easy to modify the patch to just happen on Nano (right now the patch also affects 4G and one other if I recall) but last time it was discussed it was tossed out.
02:51:26midkayPaul_The_Nerd, may i ask, what patch?
02:51:37Mikachuto boot retail os instead of emergency disk mode, i presume
02:51:37mzilikaziok thanks for the help so far, must get this thing back to factory methinks
02:51:41Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The "Boot RetailOS instead of Disk Mode on USB insert" one, I assume.
02:52:07Mikachui put it in my menu, and disabled the trigger on usb cable
02:52:14Mikachubut many would say i'm crazy
02:52:19midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah
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02:52:44Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Power down *really* needs to be in Menu, just so that new users aren't *completely* lost, since apparently none of them even imagine such a thing as a manual could exist.
02:53:15Mikachui have both 'reboot to apple' and 'shut down'
02:53:25Mikachui'm no fan of sitting around holding buttons down for 10 seconds
02:53:45midkayi would also like that.. takes so long to shut down my 5G during playback..
02:54:01Mikachui even managed to convince retailos to reboot to rockbox when i unplug the usb cable, so i don't have to select+menu it
02:54:01midkayhold play, takes a second or two to fade out and actually stop, then another 3-4 to actually trigger shutdown..
02:54:11Paul_The_NerdMikachu: How did you manage that?
02:54:28Mikachutest -b /dev/sda1 && ( echo -n '{' > /dev/sda1
02:54:28Mikachueject /dev/sda )
02:55:35Mikachuwell, it reboots with the cable still in after it's done unmounting
02:56:25Mikachuso it sort of depends on rockbox not booting back to retailos when the cable is in, unless you're fast
02:56:32Mikachubut i like it better this way
02:56:57Mikachuonly problem is it doesn't do a proper shutdown when rebooting from rockbox to apple
02:56:57Paul_The_NerdThe only problem I have with my current way anyway is that RetailOS always rebuilds those crazy folders and crap
02:57:09Paul_The_NerdHell, it rebuild my ipod control folder which is 20mb for *no apparent reason*
02:57:27Mikachumy ipod_control is 136K
02:58:37Paul_The_NerdActually it's a residual file from when iTunes was still on my system it looks like
02:58:39Mikachuand i don't get any of the others
02:58:45Mikachui actually use /Notes for notes
02:58:50Mikachuso i don't know if that would get created
02:58:59Mikachuit is 100x more useful when you can actually WRITE notes in it
02:59:09romanos_melodosis that possible mikachu?
02:59:18Mikachuno, i sit here and lie just for the heck of it
02:59:21Paul_The_NerdThat's the whole purpose of the text editor porogram.
02:59:31romanos_melodosusing an already apple folder for rockbox
02:59:47Mikachuit's just a dir with text files, nothing horrible is going to happen
03:00:01Mikachuoh and that reminds me of how stupid apple os is
03:00:13Mikachuit makes assumptions about file encodings based on what LANGUAGE you have selected
03:00:17romanos_melodoswell , it's not stupid
03:00:29romanos_melodosit's purpose it to get some money to apple
03:01:04romanos_melodosand they really make it by using itunes
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03:01:10Mikachuit is stupid enough for just that reason, but there are probably others too
03:01:25Mikachuand i'm not sure what you're on about
03:01:51nudelynwithout knowing the language the file was encoded in you probably have to make some assumptions based on the player's language
03:02:24nudelyne.g mappings to capital letters, filtering out different culture's versions of "the" when sorting, etc.
03:02:29romanos_melodosi'm just saying that "itunes" is a really bombastic way to attract people
03:03:14romanos_melodosand bring apple some money
03:03:24Mikachunudelyn: only there is no way to know what encoding it expects, you have to guess, and none of them seem to be utf-8
03:03:28romanos_melodosin that way, apple's software was well established
03:04:46romanos_melodosipl loader is kinda dodgy btw
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03:05:20romanos_melodosi spend some time been through the procedure of getting it inside nano
03:05:32romanos_melodosbut i think i'm gonna stick in with rockbox loader
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03:21:59ZakMannnFirst time on the irc..
03:22:09romanos_melodosdo i really need to have my rockbox.ipod file set not to hidden if i want to use ipl loader?
03:22:24ZakMannnwhy you use ipodlinux and rockbox?
03:22:40midkaywhy not?
03:22:43ZakMannnRockbox has everything ipodlinux does besides video
03:22:45ZakMannnand some games
03:22:56romanos_melodosi'm in it for the iboy
03:23:02ZakMannnwht ipod u got?
03:23:16ZakMannnthe Rockboy has nano support i believe?
03:23:24Mikachuit does not
03:23:40romanos_melodosit's been a long long long time request
03:23:48ZakMannnim stuck on a 2g mini
03:23:55ZakMannniboy is really nicee
03:23:59ZakMannnmy friend showed me it yesterday
03:24:11ZakMannnu use podzilla2?
03:24:27romanos_melodoshow can i know?
03:24:30ZakMannndo u use modules? or do u use like floydzilla or whtnot
03:24:42romanos_melodosi really have no idea
03:24:44Mikachuhe just installed it
03:24:47romanos_melodosjust installed it
03:24:51ZakMannnoh really
03:24:59ZakMannni kept up with it since like march last year.
03:25:04ZakMannnmarch 2005
03:25:08romanos_melodostry to figure out why iboy is not playing either...
03:25:24ZakMannnim confused
03:25:31ZakMannnIboy 1.3 or 3.3?
03:25:35romanos_melodosnot more than i am
03:25:40ZakMannn0.0.3 or 0.3.3 or w.e
03:25:42romanos_melodosi think 1.3
03:26:11ZakMannni want Rockboy for mini 2g :(
03:26:25*Mikachu juggles with his nano and gba
03:26:40romanos_melodosman, you'll make them furious
03:26:41ZakMannniboy is neat but on a nano?
03:26:44ZakMannnthe screen is too small
03:26:46romanos_melodosthey've already got me
03:26:54ZakMannni saw it on my friend mini
03:26:56MikachuZakMannn: you can use a magnifying glass :P
03:27:00ZakMannnand the typing on it was too small
03:27:03ZakMannnohh really
03:27:06ZakMannnur gonna have a nano
03:27:09Mikachuyou just need three hands
03:27:12ZakMannnand a magnifying glass playing a game?
03:27:20ZakMannny not just have a gameboy orginial?
03:27:37Mikachuthe :P would denote a joke
03:27:46ZakMannni kno i just wanted to prove a point :(
03:27:52Mikachujust making sure
03:28:12Mikachustill, i think it's a plausible solution if it's a fresnel lens and you mount it with some straws
03:28:23ZakMannnsome ugly nano..
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03:29:16ZakMannnwht mp3 u got
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03:29:33Mikachump3? i use ogg mostly
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03:29:39Mikachulike i said i have a nano (and a gba)
03:29:51Paul_The_NerdThe Nano has a higher resolution screen than the mini anyway
03:30:11Mikachuthis is a fresnel lens btw,
03:30:25Mikachulike the ones usually used in overhead machines
03:30:40Mikachui have a plastic credit card sized one in my wallet
03:30:59Paul_The_NerdYeah, those are quite nice
03:31:04Paul_The_NerdI used to have one.
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03:31:38Mikachumaybe i have gone off on a tangent here
03:31:47twisted`some guy asked me here if I could host him...
03:31:52twisted`but I forgot his name...
03:32:02ZakMannneverybody has a nano
03:32:10MikachuZakMannn: i won mine, so don't judge me
03:32:15ZakMannnhow u win it?
03:32:37Mikachutwisted`: sharpe
03:32:57MikachuZakMannn: a contest at the university
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03:33:24Mikachuokay bye
03:33:46twisted`Mikachu: yeah I just checked the account lists, and yup, it was sharpe
03:33:50twisted`Mikachu: have ya seen 'em lately?
03:34:07Mikachuprobably today or yesterday
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03:50:45twisted`Mikachu: thanks
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03:57:45twisted`somebody give him a smack when he sees 'em to contact me, lol
04:00:09twisted`sharpe :)
04:00:23goffa_will do... i like smaking people :P
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04:13:53midkayany knowledgeable rockbox coders around?
04:16:07midkaynever mind, figured it out.
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06:19:33jncwhat are you, twelve?
06:19:49dj-fulol, no.
06:19:53dj-fuwell played, though
06:20:05jncmucking about with my zaurus
06:20:17dj-fuWhat's a zaurus?
06:20:22dj-fusounds like some kind of anime thing.
06:20:28jncheh, close
06:20:44jncjapanese manufacturer Sharp produces a line of PDA like devices known as Zaurus
06:20:58jnci've got a Sharp Zaurus C3000, which is pxa270 cpu based
06:21:04*dj-fu googles.
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06:27:19*biffhero had a zaurus6000 stolen. ugh. but I didn't use it so much, either.
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06:30:08jncbugger that
06:30:19jncbiffhero: you much of a kernel hacker?
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06:42:05biffherojnc: no, not much.
06:42:49biffherojnc: at one time, I thought I was going to spend the $$$ for the newest zaurus.
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06:43:17biffherojnc: where did you get the 3k, and for how much?
06:43:51jnci paid 550 for a used one
06:44:02biffherowow, that's a great price
06:44:07jnc*cue chime noise* eBay
06:44:42jncit arrived with a box of crap too. adapters, IDE-usb interface, and so on
06:45:08jncrecently i picked up a C3100 for 500
06:45:08biffhero899 for a C3200 on dynamism. 699 for a demo C3100 (black) on dynamism.
06:45:37biffheroI read about a guy who was in .ja and was willing to buy them and ship them over here.
06:45:40jncdynamism prices are "normal" but you can get much better deals from StreamlineCPUs
06:45:55biffherothere were some other places with better prices, I never heard of StreamlineCPUs
06:46:17jnci bought a defective screen protector, and Stephen of StreamlineCPUs handled the whole mess without missing a beat
06:46:18biffheroI paid 800 or so for the C6000, I believe.
06:46:21jnctotally reccommend them
06:46:36biffherothe best screen protectors are
06:46:37jncfor 800 you could get the SL-6000w with bluetooth built in
06:46:53jncthe OverlayBrilliant protector is my favorite
06:47:05jnca seller known as myavix_visavis used to sell them on eBay
06:47:09jnci'm sad that i only bought one
06:47:12jncit is superb
06:47:24biffheroSL-6000w, what does bluetooth used for on a 6k?
06:48:04biffherohave you looked at pdascreenprotectors?
06:48:17jncreading it now
06:48:26jncmy issues are with bubbles due to pre-existing dust
06:48:37biffheroI put them on a 5000, as well as my 6000, _amazing_
06:48:40jncand also that when i wash the protector, it dries with dust caked onto it
06:49:52biffherois the 3000 display the same as the 3200 ?
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06:50:44jncyes, c3xx0 share the same casing
06:51:13biffheroI am looking for a product matrix for the C3x00 series
06:51:24jncthe difference is in the colour of keyboard, case, and i think maybe material
06:51:50jncC1000 is also the same casing
06:54:07biffherowow, there is a c1000 for GBP 359 on ebay right now. that's US $654.
06:54:29jncway too much
06:54:41biffheroUS $535 for a c3100, just ending
06:54:49jncthat's more fair
06:55:07jncC3200's just came out, you can find them for like $650 shipped
06:55:08biffheroyeah, with italian leather case.
06:55:20biffheroI am looking for one right now.
06:55:56jnczaurus is like the biggest nerd extension... i will tell you now, it hardly does anything i want it to
06:56:05biffheroended at 545, wasn't even involved in the bidding.
06:56:34jncyeah 550 for a hard drive equipped zaurus (c3xx0) sounds about right
06:56:46biffheroyeah, I hear you. when my sl6000 was stolen, I went on with a PAA
06:56:46jnci was going to sell my C3000 for $300 to a friend
06:57:14jnci use my C3100 for its spreadsheet program, basically. i keep track of mileage driving to/from work everyday
06:57:31jncthe C3000 is for openzaurus development
06:57:41biffherothat's nice. I was super happy to have a real spreadsheet app.
06:58:05jnccurrently though the C3000 and latest 2.6.16 kernel developments for zaurus hardware isn't quite up to speed, and i cannot reliably suspend/resume
06:59:04jncthey've got Richard Purdie doing development for close to 6-10 different hardware platforms, the guy has barely enough time to think about when he's going to work on what
06:59:16biffheroone guy, all those platforms?
06:59:59jncand when i say "they" i mean, he is the only guy with dedication and initiative to get these changes and development merged with mainline arm in linux kernel
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07:00:02jncso it's all a mess
07:00:19jncbasically yeah
07:00:28biffherohave you tried the alternative platforms?
07:00:32jnche's one of three people who worked on porting zaurus kernels to 2.6.x
07:00:57jnci've tried cacko rom, sharprom, have developed openzaurus a bit
07:01:01jnctime for woot
07:01:27jncdoes it run rockbox?
07:01:28biffheroalready there.
07:01:43biffherothe other thing is wifi. do any models have wifi?
07:01:49jncnone have wifi
07:01:58jnci mean, the cxxx0 models do not have wifi
07:02:03biffherowow, that's a good one.
07:02:09jncthere is only the CompactFlash slot
07:02:49biffherodoes this mean the gigabeat is supported?
07:03:44biffheroit doesn't show up on
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07:04:00midkaynot working..
07:05:50jncif developers want hardware to play with, i might be willing to buy stuff and loan it out
07:06:21biffheroUSD 584 for C3200 on
07:07:09jncwow, that's good
07:07:12jnchow much to ship?
07:07:40biffherodunno, left the page, I think that was with shipping.
07:08:35biffherothe page says "price to USA/Canada"
07:09:10biffheroquote + cable + wifi card ==...
07:09:46biffhero652 total with 6000 yen shipping costs.
07:10:52biffheroproduct price YEN 62,138 : Shipping cost YEN 6,000 : Our fee YEN 4,000 : Insurance YEN 505 : YEN Total YEN 72,643 : Above Yen amount is equivalent to USD 652
07:12:09biffherothat's an amazing price, all told
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07:28:43midkaynobody here has an archos player, do they?
07:28:58midkayi mean literally studio/player model
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07:31:46midkaywell, i'm committing jdgordon's viewer patch.. i just hope the player build works alright (i mean usability wise)
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07:40:43qwmwhy you aint answering on aim?!
07:41:39midkaybecause i don't get any messages?!?!?!~!
07:41:58qwmlet's chat here instead then.
07:42:01midkaysince when have you started attempting to chat?!?!
07:42:10qwm05:30 CEST.
07:42:15qwmwhich is more than two hours ago.
07:42:27qwmthought you had left.
07:42:34qwmsince i sent you messages at three separate times.
07:42:43midkayhow awful.
07:42:51midkayi even tried to message you once a few minutes ago.
07:42:52qwmyeah. rather.
07:42:55midkaysaid you were offline.
07:43:09qwmirc is more reliable when my connection is like this.
07:43:15qwmtells me immediately if i'm pinging out.
07:43:23midkayhaha. one sec, need to commit le work!
07:43:29qwmwhat work?
07:43:34qwmyou actually do work?!
07:43:39qwmlabor day.
07:43:43qwmthus you should work!
07:43:55scott666midkay: whend you get the ability to commit stuff?
07:44:18qwmwhen did you get the ability to ask dumb questions?!
07:44:28midkayscott666, wtf. haha. like 3 years ago?
07:44:51scott666so like right after i left?
07:45:27scott666the last thing i know about you doing is finishish Clockbox
07:45:29midkaypossibly. or even before.
07:45:36midkaycan't remember when you left.
07:45:46scott666(remember i helped beta test it)
07:45:46midkayqwm, haha. alright.
07:45:58midkayyes, you're still in the credits, Mr. Myran!
07:46:42scott666(scroll down)
07:47:15midkayscott666, you have a 5G iPod now, right?
07:47:52midkaycool. welcome to the leet club. oh, which qwm isn't about to join, since he's a little.. loser.
07:48:12qwmyou pissmyra.
07:48:24scott666i didnt think id ever see the day when i could buy a player running rockbox from somewhere other than ebay
07:48:52scott666im so glad i held off from buying an iriver
07:48:54midkaysame. :) although i'm surprised H300 is now on that growing ebay list..
07:49:14scott666i wanted to get one of those for a while
07:49:21scott666but they were $400
07:49:32midkayi still wouldn't mind having one, maybe if they get a little cheaper :)
07:49:36scott666so i was like 'fuck that, i could buy a new ipod for that price'
07:49:47scott666and here we are
07:50:01scott666except i didnt pay nearly $400
07:50:16scott666well, depends on how you define 'nearly'
07:50:27scott666but i still got a sweet deal
07:50:39midkaywhat was it?
07:50:46biffheroyes, i love my 5g too.
07:50:55scott666$275 for a 60GB
07:51:11biffherothat is a good deal, where at?
07:51:32scott666i bought it from someone i know
07:51:37scott666who bought it off someone else
07:51:57scott666i got it still in the plastic 'dont steal music' wrapper though
07:52:00midkaycool :)
07:52:26scott666theres another detail, but id rather not have it in the IRC logs
07:52:54biffheroit was already named? "girly5g" ??
07:53:17jnc"Biff's iPod"
07:53:28scott666just 'ipod'
07:53:36scott666no files on it at all
07:53:47*biffhero goes and checks, nope. "Biff's iPod" is still there.
07:53:51jncdid you hax0r the gibson, man. come on
07:54:05jncdownl0d the garbage file to your zip disk
07:54:08jncdo it! do it!
07:55:26midkayscott666, tell us. we love details. did he require some sexual favors in addition to the $275?!
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07:57:47biffherofavorS ??
07:58:33biffheropaint his white picket fence, a la Tom Sawyer!
07:59:15scott666haha, yes, exactly
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08:23:22stevenmHello guys
08:23:35midkayhi hi hi.
08:23:40stevenmmy friend lent me his iriver
08:24:04stevenmwith rockbox on it! finally got a chance to run the midi codec on target
08:24:27stevenmthis is kind of nuts. low sampling rate, a bit honky etc, but actually running. thanks to karl's patch, actual sound
08:25:24stevenmwhat's the current status on the CVS? I would really like to commit this patch...
08:25:37midkaywell, feature freeze..
08:25:45stevenmright... until may 15 ?
08:25:57stevenmor whats up w/ mayday ?
08:25:57midkayunless midi is already in CVS, you shouldn't commit it.
08:26:05midkayyeah.. may 15, should be. maybe even later..
08:26:35stevenmit is in CVS, but the current version does not actually output sound. it synthesizes it but just kinda doesn't write it anywhere. i do not own a target, so I can only develop it on the laptop
08:26:52stevenmbut.. someone uploaded a sound output patch to the tracker, and it seems to run on target (my friend lent me a device)
08:27:25midkaywell, if it's in CVS but nonworking, and the patch fixes that, feel free to commit it..
08:27:31midkayway more of a bugfix than anything.
08:27:47stevenmwoah brb, someone's CRYING real hard under my window
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08:28:19midkayhaha. :E
08:28:52ManaSamais it possible to get black font? for my ipod video
08:29:20midkayblack font?
08:29:32midkaychange your foreground color to black?..
08:29:34ManaSamayea i have a lighter backround
08:29:53dj-fugeneral settings > display > lcd settings
08:29:56midkayforeground color adjusts font/bitmap color for foreground. yeah.
08:30:38ManaSamakool tthanx
08:30:47ManaSamacan make font bigger?
08:30:53midkaychoose a larger one..
08:30:58stevenmok.. that was strange
08:32:51qwmManaSama: are you a bloody otaku?
08:33:15scorcheor a non-bloody one?
08:33:34stevenmunfortunately midi wont run well at a good sampling rate yet. buffer misses at 22k, but 11k seems fine. only some things sound honky
08:34:02qwman nsf plugin would be cool.
08:34:09midkaystevenm, improvement is better than nothing :)
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08:34:28ravonqwm: Got one working at 22kHz :)
08:34:32stevenmmidkay, true. if i at least put this patch in, someone else (with asm skills) can probably make it better
08:34:44scott666_a rockbox port of PTE would be so sweet
08:34:54qwmcool ravon
08:34:58scott666_but itll /never/ happen
08:35:10ravonChokes on the Gradius 2 NSF though. It needs optimizations.
08:35:16midkaystevenm, right.
08:35:32qwmwhat about battle of olympus?
08:35:37qwmcoolest soundtrack evah.
08:35:39ravonLet me see if I have it.
08:36:01scorcheif you need, i have oodles of midis
08:36:45stevenmscorche, aah thanks... i have plenty here
08:36:48scorche<3 midi
08:36:51ravonI need a better NSF archive :/
08:37:06ravonqwm: Know where I can download a huge chunk of NSF files? Like the SID collection.
08:37:12scorcheback from my game making days =D
08:37:28qwmravon: has tons i think. :>
08:37:51ravonqwm: I didn't find a complete packed archive there. Tedious to download >500 files manually :)
08:38:00qwmi did it.
08:38:03qwmwget -r -l 1
08:38:04ravonYou beast
08:38:06qwmthat's what i did.
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08:42:17stevenmi cant believe the synth code actually works
08:42:30ManaSamaanyone have the pacmman rom?
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08:48:18stevenmI will probably comit this patch later or something.. or tomorrow maybe
08:51:25stevenmAlso... when you compile rockbox for target, what becomes the rockbox.iriver file? rockbox.bin ?
08:52:18stevenmook nvm found it
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08:55:13amiconngood morning
08:55:25amiconnmidkay: You forgot something important in plugin.h
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08:57:04midkayamiconn, morning :) what's up?
08:57:58amiconnIf you add a function to the plugin api, *bump the darn api version* ....
08:58:23*amiconn will try the changed viewer now
08:58:48midkayamiconn, sorry, i didn't see it in plugin.c, didn't look for it in .h.
08:59:00midkayplease test it on your player if possible, i'm worried about how it would work on the player..
08:59:31amiconnI'm rather worried about your ondio "fix" No quit button seems cumbersome...
08:59:55midkayamiconn, one extra keypress..
09:00:11midkayif you have an idea for an alternative setup, feel free to set it up, i don't have an ondio to test anything on.
09:00:16amiconnOh noes!
09:00:28amiconnYet another plugin with that cumbersome quit-via-menu
09:00:39amiconnme hates it
09:00:56midkaythere's a quitbutton for all but ondio.
09:00:57amiconnIf you don't have a specific target, there's always the simulator
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09:05:18midkayamiconn, that's hardly useful to test button mappings.
09:05:28midkayi know how it feels to hold a button. apply pressure and release..
09:05:36midkayhow it feels on-target is entirely different.
09:06:16amiconnI wouldn't say it's entirely different.
09:06:26midkaywhy not?
09:06:57amiconnThe buttons itself are different, but the sim allows e.g. to test consistency (among the plugins, and between plugins and core)
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09:07:10midkaywell, not *entirely*.. but very much useless when you don't know the feel of the device, i think.
09:07:20midkayand testing consistency takes.. quite a while to get familiar..
09:07:41midkayi'd rather just leave out the quit button that's not even necessary until someone with a device has a suggestion :)
09:07:50amiconnYes, but imho it's an important point
09:08:14amiconnWe certainly don't want rockbox to end up like the iriver firmware, which imho is highly inconsistent
09:08:49amiconn(to me it's so inconsistent that I had to look up numerous functions in the manual)
09:10:48midkaywell, "imho", you should add a quit button then.
09:11:47amiconnIt's in fact quite simple (from looking at the source)
09:12:18amiconnThe menu on Ondio should open with long MODE as in the core, and short mode toggles autoscroll as I can see
09:12:42midkayhow that works, however..
09:12:48amiconnThis just requires the short/long detection mechanism, then OFF is free as the quit button
09:13:17midkayBUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REL == autoscroll, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REPEAT == menu..
09:13:18amiconnThe short/long thing is used in a zillion places. It's simple
09:13:27midkaythen you need to do the _PRE crap for the autoscroll..
09:13:42midkaywhich i'm very much unfamiliar with
09:14:29amiconnThen you should reall try to understand it. (1) It's actually quite simple. (2) It's necessary to use that on targets with few buttons. Ipod is one.
09:15:16midkayamiconn, luckily i've never had to use it yet. but i agree i do need to learn it..
09:15:57midkayunfortunately i didn't know it, didn't really have the time or motivation to learn it, didn't even know if it was a good setup anyways.. and so i simply removed the button.
09:16:49amiconnThe ipod also needs the _PRE mechanism for proper operation in viewer.c
09:16:59midkaydoes it?
09:17:35amiconnYes, afaics.
09:18:01midkayah, holding MENU and pressing SELECT?
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09:18:11midkayi haven't used that combo to exit the viewer *once*..
09:18:33amiconnYes, I mean the menu vs. quit clash
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09:18:53amiconnmenu should be BUTTON_MENU|BUTON_REL then, and would need a menu_pre
09:19:02*midkay nods
09:19:18amiconnI'll rebuild my targets and test, then adjust
09:19:47midkaycool, i'm off to bed, but i'll be sure to see if you've noted anything in the morning.
09:20:04midkayand thanks, i appreciate your heads up on these things :)
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09:22:20*amiconn intended to fix other things instead...
09:22:50amiconnBut anyway, the improved viewer itself is a good thing
09:22:57midkayheee heee, my plan to waste your time is working..
09:24:22amiconn:/ The more wasted time, the more delay for 3.0
09:26:00midkayamiconn, i was actually kidding.
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09:32:17JdGordonhey all
09:32:24*midkay waves
09:32:39JdGordoncan any1 help me with choppy dvd playback in linux?
09:32:50*midkay retracts hand quickly
09:34:01JdGordoncheers for adding the viewer patch
09:34:09JdGordonhands free autoscroll?
09:35:01midkayautomatically scrolls down a line based on a user selected speed..
09:35:19midkaywasn't sure if 'autoscroll' would be understood so i added 'hands-free' thinking it would get the point across better :)
09:36:18amiconnHow is the auto-scroll speed selected?
09:36:36midkayby the user, or codewise?
09:36:43amiconnby the user
09:36:47midkayin the menu.
09:36:59*amiconn has an idea for improvement
09:37:08*midkay opens ears wide
09:37:22amiconnOnce auto-scroll is enabled, UP and DOWN could change scroll speed
09:37:58midkaynice idea
09:38:40amiconnI.e. 1x DOWN, slow scroll down, 1x UP, back to no-scroll, another UP, slow scroll up etc
09:39:11midkayback to no-scroll?
09:39:20midkaythen how would the user tell from non-auto-scroll and auto-scroll disabled?
09:39:48amiconnEhm, the user is who enables autoscroll?
09:40:03midkayif they want to stop it, they should tap the autoscroll button..
09:40:36midkaythere's just no point in sitting still in autoscroll mode. that's the opposite of *auto*scroll.
09:40:37amiconnHmm. Perhaps the zero-speed isn't necessary then
09:40:55midkayand i'd imagine rather confusing and illogical..
09:41:05amiconnBut UP/DOWN could set scroll speed, including upward scrolling
09:41:20midkayi'd agree that, just toss the 'stopped while autoscrolling' idea..
09:42:08*amiconn imagines how it would look with smooth, pixel-wise scrolling...
09:42:38amiconnNah, drop that, at least for now
09:42:53midkayand i thought amiconn was mr. anti-bloat :)
09:43:03midkayperhaps only when it's his code/idea? ;)
09:43:12amiconnViewer.c isn't core
09:43:34*midkay nods slowly...
09:43:45amiconnPixel-wise would probably look bad on H1x0 and other slow LCDs,
09:44:01amiconnand for 16bit our mono bitmap routines need optimisation first
09:44:16amiconnThey need it badly... :-(
09:46:03amiconnFor plugins, I don't have any problems when they implement fancy stuff, as long as (1) they are *reasonably* multi-platform. (2) the fancy stuff doesn't kill usability
09:46:35amiconnAnd it turned out in the past that the multi-platform thing isn't as hard as I thought
09:46:51amiconnSee e.g. bubbles for archos...
09:46:58amiconnBtw, do you still have your archos?
09:47:14midkayyep, tried bubbles when you committed it.
09:47:50scorcheit hurts my fingers >_<
09:48:15*amiconn wonders why?
09:48:39scorcheplay it on archos for a few hours, and you will understand
09:49:03scorchebut it is fun
09:49:10amiconnHehe, if you play it for hours, it will probably hurt on all targets...
09:49:55midkaynot on the ipod.. not as much at least. the archos (recorder) has the small play button with the grooves/raised play icon on it which kind of hurts :)
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09:50:54midkayamiconn, why did you ask if i still had my archos? anything else? *going to bed*
09:51:45amiconnNothing special...
09:52:18midkayk :) bed it is.. nite all
09:52:25amiconnnite midkay
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09:58:06darklessyou know what would be a really nice feature? A simple way to simultaneously mute sound and
09:58:16darklessturn on microphone
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09:58:36darklessso you can briefly interrupt your music while having a short conversation
09:58:53darklessgreat for people using IEMs that takes a little while to pop out
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10:00:38darklessI know that Shure has a device with a microphone and switch on the headphone cord that allows you to do the same thing, ie. replace audio w. microphone at the press of a button
10:01:23darklessbut the device is rather bulky
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11:03:55*amiconn wonders about the cumbersome menu implementation in viewer.c
11:05:51linuxstbamiconn: Thanks for the Sudoku "complaints". As you've probably noticed, I'm working on them now.
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11:28:18linuxstbCan any wavpack users confirm/deny this bug?
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11:52:19peturanybody with voice/playback knowledge?
11:54:23linuxstbZagor: (if you see this in the logs) Would it be possible to add a flyspray filter for "tasks not assigned to any version". This would help with cleaning up the database and assigning tasks to upcoming versions.
11:56:32peturhave been wanting to ask to also make a filter for platforms (like iriver, ipod,...)
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11:57:27peturlinuxstb, you have any knowledge about voice and playback init?
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11:57:52linuxstbNone at all.
11:58:42peturI think I smashed two big voice bugs with one small fix but I'm affraid it breaks something somewhere else
12:00:00peturafraid even
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12:00:12myth1hi guys
12:00:50myth1i have a quick question: During seeking in a codec: What is returned in ci->seek_time: The new number of milliseconds or the new number of seconds?
12:01:45Learmyth1: milliseconds, I'm quite sure.
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12:01:53myth1ah, thanks ;)
12:03:32Learpetur: I messed a bit with similar things a while ago...
12:03:53LearMaybe you could show the patch?
12:04:20peturwill make a patch
12:07:22peturit places talk_init before audio_init because the latter must know the bufferr voice needs
12:07:54LearYour worries are warranted, because that part is a bit messy... :) But I don't know if it'll break anything (need to look closer at it).
12:08:15peturamiconn suggested that the whole buffer allocation should be done properly, but I'm not that familiar with playback
12:08:43peturbut it fixes a freeze at startup and the voice eating itself after playback
12:09:05peturon my h340 at least
12:10:27linuxstbpetur: IIUC, settings_apply() calls talk_init(), and settings_apply() is called before audio_init()...
12:11:07linuxstbBut maybe that's only if you are not using the built-in language... I'm not sure about those settings.
12:12:38linuxstbYes, ignore me. If you are using the built-in language, then settings_apply() doesn't call talk_init().
12:13:29peturyups, see it too
12:15:26peturI had another concern regarding this: if you switch to another voiced language at runtime, audio isn re-initialized. If the new voice file is bigger it will use audio buffer without playback knowing
12:15:45Learpetur: looks safe to me...
12:16:06peturcommit and see if people complain?
12:16:30Learpetur: if language is changed, audio playback will be stopped at least.
12:17:24peturyes, but it must set its buffer past the new voice buffer
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12:19:08Learyes, there seem to be a call to reset_buffer missing there...
12:19:52peturheh, silly me, pcm_rec_init doesn't init its buffers, it's done in pcmrec_init (stupid similar names)
12:21:22peturand pcmrec_init is called when entering the recording screen, so no harm there
12:21:50LearHm.. I wonder how safe it would be for Ondios though...
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12:31:24romanos_melodosgoodmorning anyone! Anyone who's using ipl here?
12:33:52romanos_melodosi just want to know how can i get some sound on iboy
12:34:11crashdperhaps, just maybe, this is the wrong channel to be asking about ipl, eh romanos_melodos ?
12:34:12romanos_melodosbeen to the ipl channel but there all probably sleeping
12:35:01romanos_melodoscrashd, i was wondering if someone could help, that's all
12:35:23crashdyou're best off checking the ipl forums tbh
12:39:35linuxstbromanos_melodos: A quick search shows this thread describing how to get iBoy working on the Nano:
12:42:59romanos_melodosthat was really helpful indeed linux! Thanx
12:43:21linuxstbNo problem roman.
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12:48:21romanos_melodosdoes rockboy has sound for ipods?
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12:48:45romanos_melodosin iboy sound is really crap , so i might turn it off again
12:48:55romanos_melodosfor nano
12:49:16romanos_melodosis the sound for rockboy nano works well>?
12:49:32romanos_melodosrockboy ipod
12:50:33linuxstbI don't know, I never play it.
12:50:41romanos_melodosoh ok
12:52:03romanos_melodosi'm really looking forward for the rockboy release for nano. Ipl is really useless...
12:52:17romanos_melodosi've just installed it only for iboy
12:53:27romanos_melodosi really can't understande ipl's usage and purpose besides the hack, since it's menu is quite crapy :P
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12:59:59romanos_melodosrockbox really rocks!!! :)
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13:15:06peturok, any objections that I commit the swapped audio init?
13:16:04linuxstbHas it been tested on hwcodec?
13:16:50peturhow can I?
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13:17:43peturanybody with an archos around that can build his own version?
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13:18:30LearDon't forget to change the simulator init too...
13:18:53peturheh, thanks - forgot that
13:19:20peturwell, lunch time, bbl
13:19:41LearHwcodec doesn't use a dedicated buffer, does it? Doesn't it always steal the audio buffer?
13:20:19LearSorry, forget that. :)
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13:27:07JdGordonif you were my ps2 mouse on my freeking linux box.. where would u hide? /dev/input.mouse aint working
13:27:19preglowlinuxstb: how could we discover if we're at the last frame?
13:27:41linuxstbBased on the file position?
13:27:44ravonJdGordon: maybe /dev/input/mice
13:27:59ravonor /dev/psaux
13:28:34JdGordon /dev/input/mice doesnt work, i tried /dev/psaux but it just hang on a black screen....
13:28:45JdGordonhad to kill X after that
13:29:12ravonDoes it start when there's no mouse configured?
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13:30:46JdGordonsays no screens found when i comment out the mouse line
13:32:12preglowlinuxstb: i somewhat fail to see how that's possible. the frame may be of several sizes, and the file might also have all sorts of garbage tacked on at the end
13:32:16ravonThere's your problem then :)
13:32:19preglowlinuxstb: or is metadata snipped off while loading?
13:32:27ravonProbably the config section for the graphics card.
13:33:51JdGordon:( gfx card section looks fine
13:35:16JdGordonSection "Device"
13:35:17JdGordon Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]"
13:35:17JdGordon Driver "nv"
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13:35:32linuxstbYes, if the file has garbage at the end, there is nothing we can do. But we should know the new position in the input stream after a frame has been decoded, and before it is inserted in the PCM buffer. So we could deal with cases where the file is clean, by just seeing if the number of bytes left is < the minimum size of an mpeg audio frame.
13:35:52linuxstbWe should also know if there is an id3v1 frame at the end.
13:35:57Learso you're talking about mp3 files?
13:36:20linuxstbDealing with gapless playback after a user has seeked in a VBR file.
13:36:48linuxstbIIUC, we need to drop N samples from the end of the file, but after seeking, we lose track of which exact sample we are decoding.
13:36:56LearI was just thinking about that too, and was about to commit a small fix...
13:37:02LearExactly my case. :)
13:37:09preglowhow does it work?
13:37:33LearSimple, just disable gapless trim if a seek has been done.
13:37:42LearSo it is more of a temporary work-around...
13:38:32preglowisn't that what would happen anyway?
13:38:33LearBut wouldn't it be possible to decode the next frame header before writing the current frames data?
13:39:00LearNo, currently it can stop playback too early, because of the inexact position.
13:40:39preglowwhy would we want to decode the next frame header?
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13:41:06LearTo see if there's any more pcm data. If not, assume it is the last frame, and do the trimming.
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13:44:07linuxstbWouldn't it be safer to check how many bytes are left in the file? We don't want to also break the playback of corrupted files.
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13:44:57LearWell, we should keep the error handling as it is, so that shouldn't change.
13:45:39LearBut what about ape or lyrics tags? Or other "garbage" that could confuse the size...
13:45:53preglowwhy isn't that cut, btw?
13:46:07preglowi believe id3v1 is already
13:46:09linuxstbWe don't look for APE tags. But IMO, that's the user's problem.
13:46:30linuxstbBut it can be fixed if we add support for APE in MP3.
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13:47:05preglowi'm not that keen on it myself
13:47:27linuxstbYou mean APE support?
13:47:42preglowi don't quite get why people are stuffing ape tags in mp3s
13:48:23linuxstbI don't really care, but once we merge the id3v1 parsing with the rest of the metadata parsing, it can be implemented at virtually zero cost.
13:50:25preglowat some point we should consider searching the proper way in mp3s
13:50:40preglowthe musepack search routine currently does it like that, and it's really not very slow
13:50:48linuxstbWhat do you mean?
13:50:51LearAnyway, I'll commit my fix, to stop it from cutting too early, unless you have anything against it...
13:50:51preglowwalking frames
13:51:01preglowLear: go ahead
13:51:03linuxstbYou mean seeking?
13:51:27Acksaw|AFKI'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. I might be drunk, but at least i'm not insane.
13:51:29Learpreglow: wouldn't that be quite slow, for large files (like 30 MB+)?
13:55:29preglowwill definitely be slower, yes
13:55:54preglowbut not much for smaller files
13:56:15preglownot anything i'm going to implement anyway
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13:58:02Moospreglow: nothing new on the musepack front?
14:00:24preglowthe seek patch doesn't support backwards seeking properly
14:00:29preglowso i'm not commiting it yet
14:00:43Moosuch, ok
14:01:59Moosme I'm using the update version patch you updated on tracker, but not the last one, the one before
14:02:48Moosand quite happy with already :)
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14:06:06*petur is still looking for an archos tester
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14:12:19Learpreglow: btw, you interested in that updated mp4 metadata parser I wrote? It isn't quite finished, but I could upload a patch.
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14:16:29linuxstbLear: I would be interested in it - please upload the patch.
14:16:50Learokay, will do.
14:18:05preglowLear: yeah, let him have it, i don't really care too much about mp4
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14:23:17LearArgh, forgot to fill in one field, so I clicked on "go back" only to get an empty form. Luckily I don't need to redo much... :/
14:29:42romanos_melodosi was just wondering.. is this all rebooting process and chrooting in ipods hdd installing several firmwares going to be covered from apple's gurantee in case something goes wrong?
14:30:11linuxstbLear: Thanks, I'll have a look at it sometime. I've got a few test files which the current mp4 parser chokes on.
14:30:55LearYes, it only accepts files from certain itunes versions or something, it seems.
14:31:37romanos_melodosbtw , in manage settings there is a browse firmwares option. I'm using all three distributions but nothing's there..
14:32:10linuxstbromanos_melodos: No-one can say for sure, but 1) Assuming you can still access your hard disk, you can remove all traces of third-party firmwares; 2) Someone from Apple Canada support has been quoted as saying that Rockbox doesn't void the warranty; 3) Both Archos and iriver have refused to repair players with Rockbox on them.
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14:33:51linuxstbLear: No point in supporting atoms > 4GB when we are using FAT32...
14:35:47romanos_melodoshow can i erase letters when i'm in rockbox text editor? Rename them? e.g. when i'm in my music dir , how can i go back and erase the letters? music <=
14:36:57linuxstbLear: Your patch only seems to change metadata.c - what about libm4a ?
14:37:28LearYes, that was the only problematic part I knew about...
14:37:30Hansmaulwurfromanos_melodos: what player?
14:37:41LearHaven't touched the codec parts at all.
14:38:00Hansmaulwurfuh sorry, have only one iriver, look at the nano manual
14:38:33linuxstbOK. I would expect libm4a to fail as well for non-itunes files. But you seem to be saying it doesn't for you?
14:38:34Hansmaulwurfony my H120 its "hold recording pressed and move left" to delete a letter
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14:39:03LearBut as metioned in the patch, I only tested a few files...
14:41:53*petur is still looking for an archos tester
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14:42:24preglowno archoses here
14:43:24peturwhat if I just commit it... bah
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14:44:27LearIt's not like it is hard to revert it...
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14:46:50peturgood, will do then. amiconn can slap me afterwards ;)
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14:56:57JdGordonhehe, i (well actually midkay) pissed of roolku :D
14:57:02*JdGordon hopes he inst here...
14:57:13preglowwho cares
14:57:18preglowthe menu way is the right way
14:57:40preglowwe need a consistent interface across targets, and a menu is the only way to achieve that
14:58:31preglowi was just about to reply to him, heh
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15:07:50JdGordondont people like being able to do things with less button presses? am i the only true lazy person here?
15:07:52webguest91where can I get more info on the hands free auto scroll feature
15:08:17preglowsure, i like it
15:08:28preglowthere will always be emacs fans who love everything being mapped to the most obscure things
15:08:35preglowbut they're not exactly our largest user base, i'd wager
15:08:48JdGordonwebguest91: midkay added that feature... look in the viewer menu..
15:10:04webguest91err why not put it under scrolling ?
15:10:12peturhey! breaking feature freeze are we? :P
15:10:34*JdGordon rekons the freeze should only apply to the core...
15:11:04preglowwell, not only the core will be used
15:11:11preglowand the point of a feature freeze is stabilizing things
15:11:32preglowso i agree with that side of things, but anywho, now that it's in
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15:12:53webguest91still dont understand why he didn't put it under display > scrolling
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15:17:33midkaydisplay > scrolling is part of the core. viewer is a plugin.
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15:18:58Mikachuis the save on quit still unconditional?
15:20:38midkayMikachu, viewer? yes.
15:20:47Mikachuit's a bit annoying
15:21:02midkaysure, disk spinups suck :)
15:21:09Mikachueven on my nano
15:21:12preglowsaves what?
15:21:22preglowno matter if they're changed or not?
15:21:24Mikachuwhich i'm not even sure you'd want to
15:21:25midkayi was actually going to write some code to only save if the settings had changed from the file ones..
15:21:35midkayi was in kind of a rush, though :)
15:22:26*preglow has a final (he hopes) stab at spdif recording
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15:23:07Mikachualso, couldn't word wrap and narrow mode be combined in a tristate option?
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15:30:39midkayMikachu, interesting idea :)
15:31:31Mikachuthey're both about wrapping, and i always forget which means what
15:32:13Mikachuit could be 'Line Breaks': 'word', 'character', 'off'
15:32:30Mikachuor something like that
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15:35:17midkayyeah, i was thinking "view mode": "narrow (wrap words)", "narrow (chop words)", and "wide (no wrap)" or something.
15:36:43midkayanyways, gotta run.. laters all :)
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15:47:31romanos_melodosdoes anyone knows how i can skip through my videos in ipl?
15:47:58romanos_melodosthere's no one in #ipl
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15:56:09peturis there a reason reset_buffer() [playback.c] isn't exported? Is it only for internal use?
15:58:12LearPossibly, yes. But I believe audio_set_crossfade is exported, and that does more setup.
15:58:45peturlooks like an ugly way to do what I want to (re-init audio)
15:59:04peturmaybe I'd better wait for lostlogic to return
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16:00:53LearYes, maybe it should be split in two...
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16:05:12preglowanyone mind if i just remove the sample rate selector for recording on iriver? i doubt someone will implement it in time for release
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16:06:13Paul_The_NerdIf they implement it they can always add it back anyway
16:07:14KyomiAlright... see if you can figure this out
16:07:23KyomiI believe my battery is struggling
16:07:36peturpreglow: do remove it for now...
16:08:11KyomiI can use it for about an hour or two sometimes around 4 hours, then it shuts off and I try to get into rockbox and go to the battery menu and it seems to... recharge itse;f
16:08:16preglowi pretty much know how to fix it, but i don't have time to test it
16:08:38KyomiI can watch it go from about 3.60 - 3.84 in like a minute
16:08:53KyomiThe voltage delta in one minute was about 3.60
16:09:02peturpreglow: but then you'd need to implement it for mic/line-in as well...
16:10:05romanos_melodoswhat's the register command?
16:10:32preglowpetur: that's the only thing it makes sense for
16:10:39preglowpetur: the sample rate setting has no impact on spdif
16:10:49preglowwhich carries its own sample rate info
16:10:59romanos_melodoswhat's the command to register in mirc channels?
16:10:59preglowamiconn: present?
16:11:53Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: You're told it by the server when you log on. That page full of stuff does contain useful information.
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16:14:33hydraheadcan anyone help me out with a restore of ipod nano please?
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16:15:23klrspzhydrahead, what's up?
16:15:52hydraheadwell yesterday i got a nano, and today i tried installing apple os 1,1
16:16:09hydraheadand now the ipod seems to be working but when i plug it in
16:16:27hydraheadthe itunes dosent see it and ipod updater cant access it so i cant restore it
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16:17:54klrspzdid you check your device manager?
16:18:47hydraheadi did but i cant see an ipod there, perhaps its listed as a mass sotrage device
16:19:11hydraheadstorage even
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16:21:28Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: Wait, you're saying 1.1 installed, and *after* that you're having problems?
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16:23:07hydraheadit showed that progress bar and the player turned on, so i figure it installed it
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16:23:23Genre9mp3romanos_melodos: You have already registered your when you log in just identify yourself using this: "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>" where <password> is the password you gave when you registered.
16:24:14hydraheadi tried restoring it on 2 pcs and the same thing happens
16:25:06Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: Does the iPod show that it's connected?
16:25:18romanos_melodosdid u get my pm genre? have to identify yourself first...
16:25:41hydraheadyes it does
16:26:04Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: And the iPod does or does not show up as a drive?
16:26:12romanos_melodosi've literally copied your command and replace the password field with mine
16:26:34hydraheadit shows up, bu when i try to access the drive through my computer it freezes
16:27:07Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: And this happens even if you boot it in emergency disk mode instead?
16:27:13Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: On an unrelated note, if you're planning on asking a question in the IRC channel, wait on posting in the forums until nobody here can help you.
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16:28:00hydraheadsorry, im just a bit in a panic from trying to get it to work for 2 hours
16:28:00romanos_melodosis is workin' genre?
16:28:57romanos_melodoscan i change my pass and do the hole thing from the scratch genre?
16:28:58hydraheadi tried the disk mode and the same thing happens
16:29:07Genre9mp3romanos:What IRC client do you use?
16:29:12Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: And you can't just right click on the disk and tell it to reformat it?
16:29:12hydraheadthe ipod itself acts normally but the computer has problems
16:29:33Genre9mp3I'll PM you what to do...
16:29:36hydraheadno, ill try it again but itll probably freeze my computer again
16:30:40hydraheadk the pc found it. ill try to access it again...
16:30:58romanos_melodossuch a hassle...
16:32:56klrspzhydrahead, sorry about that, my phone rang and i had to put out a fire
16:33:02hydraheadMy Computer is completly blank
16:33:02klrspzok, can you go into diskmode?
16:33:14hydraheadI am in disk mode
16:33:18klrspzsounds like you're having worse problems than a defunct ipod
16:33:27klrspzif my My Comp is completely blank
16:33:46romanos_melodosta alla irc client einai kala genre? mporw na xrisimopoiisw trillian?
16:34:07dprohydrahead: can you mount it and see the stuff on the disk ?
16:34:11hydraheadyeah but on another pc it doesent go blank but also it wont let me right click on the drive
16:34:29Paul_The_NerdIt sounds like both of those PC are having issues.
16:34:34Genre9mp3romanos:Please....speak in english in the channel
16:34:42romanos_melodospm me
16:35:16klrspzhydrahead, well if you can't see it in the device manager as having issues, or can't see it in the disk manager, then you might have an issue that will take a bit of work
16:35:16hydraheadi really dont get it, it worked flawlessly with the other firmware
16:35:18romanos_melodossorry about that lads :P
16:35:37hydraheadi just tried uninstalling it from the device manager
16:35:43dprohydrahead: did you backup the old firmware ?
16:35:47hydraheadit installed it again and wants me to reboot
16:36:01klrspzmine came WITH 1.1, so i'm not sure about any problems
16:36:01hydraheadwell i have the old updater on my pc
16:36:10dprohydrahead: hmmm bow down before thy master and reboot then ;)
16:36:24hydraheadheh ok, be back in a minute
16:36:26Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: I'd have suggested you uninstall iTunes, and all the "iPod" drives since they're unnecessary, and just treat it as a pure mass storage device
16:36:59dproyup, or use linux and avoid all those superduper drivers all together
16:37:00hydraheadok noted, ill see what happens after a reboot
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16:37:28romanos_melodosdunno man.. is kinda painful doing this all over
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16:38:20juliushi all, I try to compile RockCalendar for ipod 5g, but I get an error saying BUTTON_DOWN (and so on) is undeclared. What do I do wrong?
16:38:52XavierGrthis romanos_melodos is sure getting annoying!
16:38:54Paul_The_Nerdjulius: Then RockCalender probably does not have all the buttons properly defined for all targets. You'll have to edit it and fix that
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16:39:29dprojulius: just guessing but it might me #ifdef'ed somewhere and you need to #define BUTTON_DOWN IPOD_DOWN or similar
16:39:44romanossend me the instructions once again genre, i'll give it one last shot.
16:40:06romanosgod damn it
16:40:26juliusPaul_The_Nerd, the strange thing is that there is no deffinition for BUTTON_DOWN in e.g. calculator.c but it still works
16:41:02Paul_The_Nerdjulius: Does calculator *use* BUTTON_DOWN anywhere in it though?
16:41:19Paul_The_Nerdjulius: And I don't mean "The down button" I mean the literal BUTTON_DOWN
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16:41:28dproit's in button.h
16:41:49juliusPaul_The_Nerd, define CALCULATOR_DOWN BUTTON_DOWN
16:42:06markunamiconn: can you take a look at it before I commit?
16:42:28Paul_The_Nerdjulius: And as dpro mentioned, does calculator.c get the definitions of button.h through some means?
16:44:22juliusPaul_The_Nerd, this is what calculator has at the beginning: include "plugin.h"; ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP; include "math.h"; so there is no button.h anywere, I think it is included automatically by the plugin.h
16:44:45dpropaul: yes it includes it, just define BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD as BUTTON_DOWN or whatever
16:45:49dproplugin.h includes button.h
16:45:49juliusdpro, yep, thanks a lot, I just noticed the difference between calculator and rockcalendar, I will do it, thanks a lot!
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16:51:44juliussomething else: I managed to get itrip fm transmiter to work with Rockbox, it is a bit tricky, but it works! there is a litle patch wich enables the power out on the dock connector, but we are missing the serial port support for 5g, and cos itrip powers on, on a play command send throught the serial port, we can't power it on, but if you run the original firmware and power on the itrip and than you keep the power supply for the itrip with a litle battery ti
16:51:44juliusll you reboot you ipod it will work out of the box :) the sound quality is really good, and it never powers it down till you shut down rockbox, so you don't have to worry about losing the power
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16:54:39romanosgenre, did u get my pm
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17:00:40romanosgenre r u gettin my pm's?
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17:06:10bleakedi'm sorry that this question is not specifically rockbox-related, but i thought i might probe some of your minds.. for some reason my ipod nano will not allow me to transfer songs onto it, or even delete any files off of it.. i use the kpod kioslave to automount it, then amarok to transfer the songs through it's VFAT interface. i have also tried transferring files via the console, and yes, even as root, and it still does not allow me.
17:06:31bleakedthe error says that it's a read-only file system.
17:06:39bleakedso, i thought the kioslave was mounting it ro
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17:06:56bleakedso i manually mounted it, and still the same thing.
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17:07:46bleakedi'm really not sure what i am doing wrong, or what exactly happened.
17:08:29Mikachumaybe the fs has errors
17:09:11bleakedwhat would you suggest i do?
17:09:20Mikachucheck if dmesg says anything special after you mount it
17:09:22bleakedare there vfat disk utilities for *nix?
17:09:47bleakedah, duh.
17:11:07bleakedhrm, dmesg seems perfect.
17:12:18bleakedMikachu. i ran fsck.vfat, and it's saying that the FAT's differ, and it's asking me which one i would like to use, first or second?
17:12:36Mikachuone of them is probably wrong, but it's impossible to know which one
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17:12:55hydraheadhi again ppl
17:13:07hydraheadi tried reinsalling itunes and ipod from the cd
17:13:18hydraheadnow it lets me get into my computer
17:13:24Mikachubleaked: you could dump the whole partition to a file and work on that
17:13:25hydraheadbut i still cant format it
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17:13:59Mikachubleaked: or backup any files you don't already have on your computer and guess
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17:14:41Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: I didn't say "reinstall" I said "uninstall"
17:15:00hydraheadyeah i uninstalled it first
17:15:07Paul_The_NerdYes, but I never said reinstall them
17:15:09udo-can I ask a few things?
17:15:13Paul_The_NerdThey're both unnecessary for accessing the ipod.
17:15:14hydraheadman im dumb
17:15:34hydraheadok ill uninstall them now
17:15:43udo-I just installed the environment to compile rockbox
17:15:45Paul_The_NerdIt's possible that some inconsistency in the filesystem is making the ipod utilities lock things up. You may be able to access it fine after they're gone.
17:15:47udo-works well
17:15:52Paul_The_NerdOf course, you may not, but it's worth a shot.
17:16:12Paul_The_Nerdudo-: "works well" does not a question make. What kinda problems you havin'? :)
17:16:15udo-did someone implement a method to record lossless compressed audio?
17:16:24hydraheadshould i also remove it from device manager or only from add remove programs?
17:16:27udo-(nor problems yet)
17:16:36bleakedMikachu. hrm..well it corrected several errors, i umounted, then remounted, and i still cannot put or delete anything on it.
17:16:47Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: Remove it from everywhere you can, then reboot, when you plug it in, it should auto-detect, do stuff, and then don't do anything more. It should show up as a removable drive.
17:16:53Mikachubleaked: does it say there are no errors if you run it again?
17:16:58bleakedudo-. flac?
17:17:33Paul_The_Nerdudo-: I think there's a .wv one in this patch, but that's it:
17:17:33udo-does that work well on an iRiver H120?
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17:18:04romanosis there any other way to reboot an ipod except menu and select for 5secs ?
17:18:08udo-aha, looks interesting Paul
17:18:09Paul_The_Nerdudo-: At the moment, with official rockbox builds the only method is to record to WAV, then run wav2wv or wav2mp3 on it afterward.
17:18:17udo-yes, OK.
17:18:31bleakedMikachu. yea, it continually finds the same errors when i run the check..the last line of the fsck output is 'leaving filesystem unchanged'
17:18:32udo-I was wondering if on the H120 compressing is possible CPU-wise (if it can keep up)
17:18:37Mikachubleaked: heh
17:18:44Mikachubleaked: you have to give a switch to enable writing
17:18:45udo-and if it would benefit teh RAM->HD cycle
17:18:46bleakedMikachu. i seriously think my system cannot do anything to the disk.
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17:19:03Mikachubleaked: i think...
17:19:06romanosis there any other way to reboot an ipod except menu and select for 5secs ?
17:19:19Mikachubleaked: maybe it's -r
17:19:28romanoswhy isn't that firmware browsing works?
17:19:28Mikachubleaked: i haven't used it a lot though
17:19:38bleakedromanos. hold play until it turns off, then turn it back on. that's it really.
17:21:10romanosan idea to browse among the other firmwares when in rockbox would be awesome
17:21:25romanosdunno if someone's workin on it
17:21:30udo-I know live2496 does flac encoding on an ipaq. would be nice for rockbox
17:21:36udo-libflac could be used
17:21:46Mikachudon't ipaq have like 250mhz cpus?
17:21:47Paul_The_Nerdudo-: It's being planned, but other than that patch, no real work has been done on it.
17:21:51bleakedMikachu. hey presto! it worked. ;) i have write access again.
17:21:58Mikachubleaked: heh, good to know
17:22:09Mikachubleaked: the −−help description for -r isn't very good so i wasn't sure
17:22:12bleakedthough i had to run it three times
17:22:21markunGood news about the Kenwood HD20GA7 and HD30GA9. The changes to their linux source are identical to the ones of the Gigabeat players.
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17:22:32udo-yes Mikachu, and faster
17:22:36udo-dunno about iRiver
17:22:56Mikachumusic players are probably usually a third of that speed
17:22:58udo-ok thanks Paul_The_Nerd
17:23:10Paul_The_Nerdudo-: 120mhz when boosted, on the iRiver.
17:23:15udo-so compressing on the fly is not doable
17:23:25udo-unless there is some support (codec/DSP)
17:23:36Mikachui don't know how much cpu flac encoding needs
17:23:42udo-120 Mhz. aha.
17:23:50Mikachumaybe the fastest mode is doable
17:23:54Paul_The_Nerdudo-: I already said it *is* doable. That patch I showed you should do encoding on the fly to lossless wavpack.
17:24:17udo-what % does that save +/-?
17:24:25Paul_The_NerdSimilar to flac.
17:24:26udo-and does it help for battery?
17:24:44udo-will have a look into that.
17:24:45Paul_The_NerdAnd I don't know for battery, nobody's run any tests.
17:25:04udo-i.e.: current draw of packed/unpacked versus extra HD writes
17:25:21udo-thanks for the info
17:25:42udo-will have to do some tests when I get my H120.
17:25:46udo-bye, later
17:25:51dprohrmmm ... does the emulator boot original firmware ? (would be nice with gdb to figure out things like the tv out on ipod video etc)
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17:28:26Paul_The_Nerddpro: There is no emulator
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17:28:41markundpro: the simulator is not an emulator
17:28:48dproah ok .. sorry
17:28:53markunIt's only for testing high-level code
17:28:54hydraheadok ive uninstalled evreything and both My Computer and Total Commander hang
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17:29:21hydraheadi have a felling youre out of ideas :)
17:29:55dprohmmm ... anyone tried to fumble with jtag on ipod ?
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17:30:01Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: Nah, I still have some left. Burn a knoppix disk, mount it there, and reformat it in knoppix.
17:30:25Mikachuhave we tried the logical disk manager?
17:30:34Mikachuor whatever it's called
17:30:38dproor dos fdisk ?
17:30:44hydraheadknoppix, whats that?
17:30:52dproa linux live cd
17:30:52Mikachui doubt usb works in dos
17:30:54Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Oooh... forgot about that. The problem seems to be though that windows hangs when trying to access it for any purpose at all.
17:30:59dpromikachui: right ...
17:31:32Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: It's a linux LiveCD. You can boot off of it and run linux without ever installing any files on your computer. When you reboot and remove the disk from the drive, you're back to normal without your HD ever being touched (unless you explicitly tell it to)
17:31:48Paul_The_Nerdhydrahead: The logical disk manager may be another good thing to try. I think it's in the "Administrative Tools" on control panel
17:32:25Mikachuyou can just right cilck My Computer and select Manage
17:32:54*Paul_The_Nerd has never noticed that option before.
17:33:22hydraheadok it says connecting to local disk manager service
17:33:32*dpro never had a chance to notice it
17:34:34*Paul_The_Nerd was just called an "accurist" as if wanting to be accurate was an insult...
17:34:53hydraheadit says drive f healthy
17:35:30hydraheadshould i give it a label ?
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17:35:43hydraheadi pressed format so it asked me that
17:35:44Mikachui'm pretty sure you can format it from there
17:35:50Mikachulabel doesn't matter much
17:35:56Mikachuyou can change that later if you want
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17:36:38hydrahead told it to format to fat
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17:37:03juliusjust a litle question, which CONFIG_KEYPAD is the correct one for ipod 5g? cos there isn't any IPOD_5G_PAD definition
17:37:19Mikachui'm almost 100% sure it's the same as 4G
17:37:35hydraheadyay it says formatting in status
17:38:29hydraheadso after that's finished its okay to run a restore on it?
17:38:54juliusMikachu, ok, thanks
17:39:00Mikachui don't know, i've never used restore
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17:39:51hydraheadit formatted the free space
17:40:05hydraheadwhat about this part of the disk where it says unallocated?
17:40:15hydraheadits gray colored and about 78mb
17:40:25Mikachuthat is the boot partition, don't touch that
17:40:37hydraheadok, leaving it be :)
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17:41:17hydraheadgreat I can now access it from my computer
17:41:19AdministratorI have an iRiver hardware question, is it appropriate?
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17:41:34hydraheadif restore doesnt work ill just put rockbox on it
17:41:36Davide-NYCbad Nick, sorry
17:41:40hydraheadthanks mikachu!
17:41:54Davide-NYCI have an iRiver hardware question, is it appropriate?
17:42:03Mikachuhope it works
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17:49:07dprois there a way to stop playback after the current song ? (would be nicer for djing than having to worry that it'll just start the next track)
17:50:23preglowdjs should already be used to that
17:50:58dpropreglow: yeah but still why make it less convienient than it could be ?
17:51:12preglowwell, how would you suggest we implement it?
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17:51:47dpropreglow: just a playback option that will not automatically advance in the playlist od the current dir
17:51:50hydraheadiDJ with clickwheel scratching :))
17:52:05dprohydrahead: exactly ...
17:52:10preglowthat sounds like a really redundant option to me
17:52:29dpropreglow: never mind, than I'll stick it in my private patch
17:52:47preglowall the djs i know sure as hell are used to it anyway, since most of them use vinyl or dds
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17:53:13preglowbut no, i don't think such an option would see wide support among the devs
17:53:24dpropreglow: yeah and 90% of my vinyls have one track on the good side and much longer pauses between tracks
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17:53:55preglowdpro: yep, true enough, but i still don't see the problem
17:54:07preglowyou know when the track is going to end anyway, if you're good at crossfading and beatmatching
17:54:18preglowso you know when the track is done
17:54:32dproif I ping -pong with an non ipod person, they'll forget to fade the ipod out 80% of the time .. that's enough to justify it for me ;)
17:55:07dpro+ all dj cd players do it that way
17:55:56dproAFAIK most digital dj software will also by default act this way
17:56:22dprothey can't be all idiots ;)
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17:57:46dpropreglow: what does the general settings -> playback -> repeat = off option do anyway ?
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17:58:15*dpro but I don't feel like putting every file in it's own subdir ... that sounds a bit crufty
17:59:12dprobut that's where I would put it ... either an auto-advance off/on (on by default) or stick it in the repeat submenu (no-auto-advance)
17:59:29preglowdpro: just turns of repeat
17:59:30dprothat shouldn't really hurt anyone much
17:59:32preglowdpro: normal playback
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18:01:30hydraheadHey Mikachu, maybe you can help me out on one last thing
18:02:06hydraheadi start the updater and now it can see the ipod, but when i try to restore it it says it cant lock the ipod because another application is using it
18:02:11hydraheadbut i have no idea wich
18:02:24Mikachui have seen 'no playlist advance' in a lot of audio player programs
18:02:32Mikachuhydrahead: can't help there
18:02:47hydraheadok thanks anyway
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18:04:19dproall the code should be in playlist.c ?
18:04:43Mikachui would guess playback.c
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18:07:28hydraheadI did it! Finally! Thanks folks for your help
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18:07:47Mikachuhydrahead: what was it?
18:07:59Davide-NYCQuick question, does Rockbox support the H300 LCD remote for iRiver targets?
18:08:20hydraheadwell I installed the ipod update on a second computer and it had no interference there
18:08:53hydraheadso from now on if anything goes wrong at least i know it isnt because of the ipod
18:09:58hydraheadbut i really dont get it why it bugged out in the first place, the updater must have screwed up the partition
18:11:11Davide-NYChello, new to IRC, is this visible?
18:11:19hydraheadyes it is
18:11:26Davide-NYCwas it before?
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18:12:04dproDavide-NYC: the quick question ? yes !
18:12:23dproDavide-NYC: but I honestly don't know the answer
18:13:02Davide-NYChysterical, I see... Thanks I thought I neede to register, set passwords, figure out IRC, interface with Nickserv, etc etc.
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18:13:41Davide-NYCHow do I query the devs about this without being obnoxious, I've serach the forums and the tracker and found nothing (yet)
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18:16:48bluebrother*is* there a h300 remote with lcd? AFAIK it's the same as the h100 which is supported.
18:17:33peturthere is a h300 lcd remote and rockbox should support it
18:17:53peturI guess you're asking if it's supported on h1x0 :P
18:17:56bluebrothermeaning that is different to the h100 remote?
18:19:42bluebrotherreading from the DeviceChart page looks to me as the h300 remote shipped is the same as the h100 remote
18:22:08Davide-NYCno there's a Joystick remote with LCD hold for linky
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18:22:40ManaSamawhy is it so hard to make a playlist
18:22:44ManaSamait added everything T_T
18:22:46Davide-NYCI'm hoing to use this remote with an iHP-140
18:23:09ManaSamais it possible to make a regular playlist?
18:23:18ManaSamafor ipod video rockbox
18:23:29dprolet me check this guys ... if I add a no-advance option to the repeat submenu I can just add it to gwps.c and all is fine right ? (no one should be overly bothered by that, and I can keep it as a patch anyway ...)
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18:23:51Davide-NYCThe benfit to this remote IMHO is that the controls shoudl map 1to1 from the unit.
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18:24:19bluebrotherwasn't aware of that remote. Looks way better than the h100 remote IMO :)
18:24:38ManaSamaits good to instal the new patch everyday right?
18:24:44dpassen1Looks like the headphone out is on the opposite side!
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18:25:26CassandraAh good - we are extending the freeze I take it then.
18:25:41BagderCassandra: yes, two weeks to start with
18:25:45*Cassandra has been ill. I hate CFS.
18:25:51CassandraSorry for not being around.
18:26:09CassandraBagder, sounds good. I've got a couple of things I've been sitting on.
18:26:20ManaSamashould i be installing the new patches everydau to my video ipod?
18:26:27CassandraHalf way through fixing the bundled WPS scripts, for exampole.
18:26:36CassandraManaSama, up to you really.
18:27:10ManaSamacassandra u know how to make a playlist? i try and ti adds everything
18:27:21CassandraAnd I really wanted to get a more polished boxes ready. Particularly for the H3xx.
18:28:02CassandraManaSama, you need to use the context menu - try a long press on play then "insert track".
18:28:26CassandraNot to mention the installer.
18:28:34ManaSamacontexzt menu?
18:28:42*Cassandra hopes the next two weeks aren't going to get too busy.
18:28:56MikachuManaSama: maybe the manual would be a good first stop
18:29:06ManaSamai tied
18:29:13ManaSamatried manual doesnt help at all
18:29:17ManaSamapeople who know help ^^
18:29:27CassandraManaSama, try a long press on play from the file browser with an MP3 file selected. The thing that comes up is the context menu.
18:29:37ManaSamaok than alot^^
18:30:22preglowany spdif recorders here currently?
18:30:23CassandraBagder, anyway, I've gotta dash. Just wanted to make sure nothing was blocking on me.
18:30:40CassandraSee you guys soon, hopefullyl
18:30:45preglowCassandra: bye
18:30:54Cassandrabye preglow.
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18:31:30bluebrotherManaSama: the manual calls it "file menu"
18:31:52bluebrotherit's in section 2.2.2 atm
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18:32:50Davide-NYCyes preglow
18:33:08Davide-NYCI could help with that but I need a day or so to sort out my gear
18:34:13preglowahh, yeah, i mean right now
18:34:21preglowbut no worries, i've got some more testing to do here anyway
18:34:32Davide-NYCurghh hold on let me see what I can do
18:34:55ManaSamai hold the play button and it shuts down
18:35:19Mikachuwhat player are you using?
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18:35:57ManaSamaipod video
18:36:05ManaSamaim trying to add songs to a playlist 1 by one
18:36:05Mikachuthen she probably meant select, not play
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18:38:09DgentlyHowdy all.
18:38:48DgentlyI have a quick (I hope) question about the rombox build for the old FM recorder.
18:39:02DgentlyAnyone know why it stopped being built on 4/10?
18:40:16Mikachuit got too big i think
18:40:17ManaSamaomg sorry hmm how do i view the playlist after i have "insert" it
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18:40:32ManaSamanever mind
18:41:40Dgentlyagain? dangit. Thanks.
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18:44:57ManaSamapeople think my ipod is so amazing now
18:45:10ManaSamaeveryone is like wow ur ipod isnt liek anyone eles;s
18:45:23ManaSamathanx u guys!!
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18:46:13dprohehe ... I actually still think about having "I voided the warranty" etched onto the back ;)
18:47:16ManaSamaby adding rockbox?
18:47:19dproBTW something must have changed in the play/pause code in recent cvs because now it works almost perfectly (at least a lot more predictable than say a few weeks ago)
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19:20:16preglowsweet lord
19:20:33preglowhaving to reboot everytime linux can't stand any more usb is just marvelous
19:21:20dprohehe preglow: huh ?
19:21:30dprono hehe ... sorry
19:21:50dpropreglow: what ? (that's what I meant to write)
19:21:51klrspzcan't remove the module and reload it?
19:21:57preglowthe module has hung
19:22:01preglowcan't remove it
19:22:11dprormmod -f even ?
19:22:15preglowdoesn't work, it hangs
19:22:53dprothat is bad ... but hasn't happened to me in ages .. what kernel version ? is there any process / other module still using it ?
19:22:55Mikachupreglow: are you running eject before you unplug?
19:23:29dpropreglow: or umount ...
19:23:35Mikachuno, eject
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19:31:21preglowi've never used eject, only pumount
19:31:38preglowthe odd time i forget it, usb will never work until i reboot
19:31:53preglowalso, if i plug in when i'm in a screen that doesn't respond to usb, like the debug screen
19:32:01preglowthe whole fucking hub driver just crashes
19:32:24pregloweven windows with its retard usb handling deals with it better
19:32:51Mikachupreglow: use eject /dev/sda or whatever your device is, and it will work a lot better
19:33:35dpropreglow: I don't have these problems here ... even if I should forget to sync/ umount
19:33:57preglowMikachu: why?
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19:36:33preglowwhy doesn't my h120 mount anymore?
19:36:35preglowthis is marvelous
19:36:46preglowMikachu: doesn't look like eject does anything, btw
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19:50:36XavierGrusing USB in linux sounds a bit nasty
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19:51:04dprousb with linux is just fine ...
19:55:03Galoisit's not that bad
19:55:09*goffa_ has no problem with it in lin
19:55:18GaloisI have forgotten to umount a few times. No harm no foul.
19:55:19goffa_you just have to remember to mount/unmount the device
19:55:37goffa_but again like Galois says.. no harm no foul if you forget to unmount
19:55:56Galoismost of the competent distributions have hotplug scripts for automounting ipods
19:56:16goffa_yeah... i use lfs... so its me thats not competent :)
19:56:24goffa_actually just too lazy to implement something
19:57:26dprohehe ... I hate all this auto- business - I know what I want and I don't always want it to mount all the partitions f.e.
19:57:58goffa_yeah dpro thats part of my laziness
19:58:49dprogoffa: what's so bad about mount /dev/sda2 /mnt - like how much faster can it get (and imagine bash auto completion ;)
19:59:28Galoissda2 should never change. The only reason it changes is because linux's scsi implementation sucks.
20:00:04dprogalois: hmmm ... well it's of course not as advanced as dos' ;)
20:00:40GaloisI am willing to type one of either the device node or the mount path. Not both.
20:01:24dprowell there's fstab for that
20:01:38Galoisfstab works well if the device node never changes. See previous comment.
20:02:24dprowhy ? you can have many many entries called /mnt/sda2 for example (but granted a little scripting makes this more convenient)
20:02:57dproI have a podmount script that looks ist up and mounts the vfat partition as /mnt/ipod
20:04:07Galoisscripts don't play well with non-root users.
20:05:19dprosu -c works for me (i'm the paranoid type that rather enters a password one time too many)
20:05:53GaloisI used to think that way until I typed out my root password on irc once
20:06:29dprohmm that never happens to me with auto-raise window managment ;)
20:07:27*dpro goest to pickup his pizza
20:07:42zemy aterm text brightens significantly for the one in focus vs the ones without focus
20:08:05zeits a nice obvious indicator
20:08:14zeparticularly considering i've done away with titlebars
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20:12:18Mikachupreglow: what linux version are you on?
20:13:43MikachuGalois: fstab works fine
20:13:56MikachuGalois: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700123F013D-part2 /mnt/ipod vfat noauto,users,gid=users,uid=mikaelh,nodev,nosuid,noexec,utf8
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20:16:38GaloisMikachu: to be honest, if that's the price to pay, I'd rather use sda2
20:17:40MikachuGalois: feel free to make a symlink in /dev/ipod
20:17:48Mikachubesides, you can type mount /mnt/ipod
20:18:07MikachuGalois: there is also /dev/disk/by-label/ipod
20:18:23Mikachubut my disk label seems to have disappeared
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20:24:10XavierGrdoes anyone know an audio editing program like audacity that will let me trim an mp3 instead of reencode it?
20:24:44klrspzi use goldwave for all my audio shiz
20:26:58DgentlyThanks for the help earlier.
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20:31:22preglowMikachu: 2.6.12 ubuntu
20:32:00Mikachuthat should support usb device ejecting i think
20:32:14Mikachudoes it still display the do not unplug thing after you run it?
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20:35:28preglowit doesn't display anything
20:35:29preglowit just fails
20:35:37pregloweject just doesn't seem to do anything at all when run
20:35:55preglowand right now i can't even make the bloody automounting work again
20:36:55twisted`Mikachu: that's the geekiest fstab I have _ever_ seen
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20:37:10Mikachutwisted`: ???
20:37:17twisted`Mikachu: 20:13:57 < Mikachu> Galois: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700123F013D-part2 /mnt/ipod vfat noauto,users,gid=users,uid=mikaelh,nodev,nosuid,noexec,utf8
20:37:25Mikachuyes i know what you were referring to
20:37:35twisted`I mean... damn
20:37:42Mikachuyeah, tab complete is really something
20:37:47twisted`bad sharpe, not being here...
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20:38:07Mikachuleave a message
20:38:13twisted`and how?
20:38:23Mikachumsg memoserv help
20:38:45RedBrevapetur: ;-)
20:38:53twisted`Mikachu: k
20:39:01RedBrevaOverlib'd as suggested...
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20:39:11peturn i c e
20:39:37preglownice looking indeed
20:39:48peturI think it has some setting so the floater always stays on screen
20:39:49klrspzyou can't use conditions on the peak meters can you (for wps generation) ?
20:40:03preglowwhen i press the pictures something flickers on the screen
20:40:04preglowwhat's up?
20:40:17Mikachupreglow: hold down
20:40:28peturjavascript ;)
20:40:36RedBrevait has, but at present it's set to only display whilst the mouse is held down...
20:40:52Mikachuit bugs out a bit if you drag while holding down
20:40:52preglowdoesn't it make more sense with a mouseover or something?
20:41:14preglowahaha, i've now got a wps stuck to my mouse cursor
20:41:19RedBrevanot for dial up users, who would keep getting 50 k images pop up
20:41:37Mikachupreglow: heh
20:41:44inteliwaspi have an ipod 4G running 060426 and the music keeps pausing the resuming every few seconds, this has happened on multiple versions, can i fix it?
20:42:00RedBrevaI will look at the rest of the setting soon and make it stick with a close option (I think!)
20:42:00Mikachuinteliwasp: disable eq and use a wps without peakmeters
20:42:06klrspzalso, what about the status bar.. what exactly is that? i see how to turn it off in WPS, but it doesn't indicate what it is exactly or how to add things to the status bar? am i missing something?
20:42:25Mikachuklrspz: the status bar is hardcoded i believe
20:42:27inteliwaspMikachu: is the EQ disabled by default?
20:42:31Mikachuinteliwasp: yes
20:42:34klrspzbut i'm more interested in peak meters
20:42:41klrspzMikachu, meaning you can't do anything except enable/disable?
20:42:44inteliwaspi mean isn't it?
20:42:56Mikachuklrspz: i think so
20:43:07Mikachuinteliwasp: are you using peak meters?
20:43:24inteliwaspMikachu: yes
20:43:30linuxstbjulius: The newer versions of the rockcalendar patch already have ipod key mappings - I'm guessing you're trying to port an older version.
20:43:32Mikachuthat's probably your problem then
20:43:52RedBrevaOK, Saturday's "Dr Who" awaits... Later guys
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20:44:05inteliwaspMikachu: i'll try that, brb to get my ipod... :)
20:44:27klrspzwait what?
20:44:48klrspzoh nm i see
20:45:06klrspzso are peakmeters not really wanted?
20:45:34klrspzcuz i had a killer idea for a wps with the peak meter -IF- the conditional stuff worked with it.. but i'm not finding anything on it
20:45:44juliuslinuxstb, thanks for the notifications, I already found it, and I just changed a few if-es and it works like a charm under my 5g
20:45:45bluebrotherhardeep: I just tried the "resume playback on startup", seems to work fine again now :)
20:46:02linuxstbjulius: What needed changing?
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20:46:40juliuslinuxstb, there were limitations to display widht 220 and so on which had to be changed to 320
20:47:57juliuslinuxstb, btw: I like tha way writing is done in rockcalendar, it a lot better the the others one, I can write a lot faster and smarter :)
20:48:19juliuslinuxstb, thanks for your help on the itrip, did you read it that I managed to get it to work?
20:48:36inteliwaspMikachu: um hw do i turn it off?
20:48:44linuxstbNo, I didn't. Congratulations. Are you going to submit a patch?
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20:50:11juliuslinuxstb, it's not so easy :) the patch with the power supply works fine, but for the moment the guys at ipodlinux say that there is no serail support for the 5g, and for our lucky, the itrip only powers on if you send the play signal throught the serial, so for the moment there is no way to do this.
20:50:54linuxstbI thought you just said it was working?
20:52:24juliuslinuxstb, but I found out which pin is used for the power supply, and if you turn on the itrip using the original firmware and than you just connect the itrip to a litle 3v battery for the time you reboot the ipod, it will work out of the box :), so I just attached a litle battery to my itrip and now I can use it without any problem
20:52:40linuxstbOK :)
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20:53:22linuxstbDid you work out which of those three ipod_i2c_send() commands enables the power pin in the dock connector?
20:53:34klrspzMikachu, what IS the status bar in the WPS?
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20:54:00klrspzMikachu, it seems like the battery/repeat images and such are no different than any other line, so what exactly does it do?
20:54:04juliuslinuxstb, not yet, but I will do that in the next few hours and send you the info (will you be here for this time?)
20:54:28linuxstbI'm normally logged in 24-hours a day....
20:55:15juliuslinuxstb, ok, thats greate, I didn't know that
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20:58:38preglowi'm trying to enable the spdif symbol and parity error interrupts, but i can't bloody enable _any_ of the sound module interrupts
21:00:09MarcoPolois the playback fully working now ?
21:00:21preglowmore or less
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21:03:15LearThere are some seeking issues, I think...
21:06:19XavierGrI don't know about you, but I keep hearing artifacts when I cahnge a track with left/right
21:06:35XavierGrPaul and lostlogic insist on the opposite though
21:06:57bluebrotherMarcoPolo: what do you mean with "fully working"? Which device?
21:07:27MarcoPolothe last one playback.c that I have only loads two tracks in the buffer
21:07:28bluebrotherhmm, I don't have an ipod. iriver works pretty well for me :)
21:09:16MarcoPolothe last cvs works well
21:09:19MarcoPologood job :)
21:09:31XavierGrLear: ogg wav and mp3
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21:13:13preglowi love gcc
21:13:23preglowit does useless memory moves in the recording code
21:13:45inteliwasphow do i disable the peak meter?
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21:14:55XavierGrinteliwasp: use a WPS without one
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21:15:18romanosgeia soy re xavier trele
21:15:35XavierGrromanos: please in English!
21:15:40XavierGror else PM
21:16:00dproxexe ;)
21:16:00romanossame as your cousin :)
21:16:13inteliwaspXavierGr: know of one that looks like the default one w/o peak and has the next few songs?
21:16:15XavierGrromanos: exactly :p
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21:19:45romanosdamn.. i really can't express my self in english...
21:20:51XavierGrwhy? your english seem to be good...
21:21:27romanosi'm just talkin about phrasial verbs :P
21:22:02romanoscome christ and holy mary
21:22:08romanosela xriste kai panagia
21:22:25inteliwaspXavierGr: i'm looking at it, but there is nop section for the 4G ipod grey... :'(
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21:23:17XavierGrinteliwasp: all work for all targets, unless there is too many info in them that it won't fit your screen
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21:31:06peturinteliwasp: the lcd is the same as iriver H1x0, so use one of these:
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21:40:00klrspzwho had the request for the black/red WPS screen for the nanopod?
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21:49:56mzilikaziso the wiki seems to say that rockbox does nto work on 1g ipods at all - this is still true?
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21:52:29klrspzworks on my 1g nanopod
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21:54:49peturwiki 1g = 1 generation, not 1GB !
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21:58:52juliuslinuxstb, ok, I checked out the things, and here is the situation:
21:59:21juliuslinuxstb, ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x24, 0xf5); Activates Power on: Pin 25, 27: 2.8V; Pin 12: 1.8V
21:59:45klrspzoh i see
21:59:46klrspzmy bad
21:59:50juliuslinuxstb, ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x25, 0xf8); Activates Power on: Pin 17: 3V; Pin 25, 27: 2.8V; Pin 12: 2V;
22:00:10juliuslinuxstb, ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x26, 0xf5); on Pin 25, 27: 2.8V; Pin 12: 1.8V;
22:00:50juliuslinuxstb, itrip uses only Pin 17 which has 3V, so ipod_i2c_send(0x8, 0x25, 0xf8); is the correct one I think
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22:05:30XavierGrwhen lostlogic will be back?
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22:07:01peturtoday or tomorrow
22:07:34peturmost probably the latter
22:07:35XavierGrI think I am gonna record some track changes and send him the audio file to see what I am talking about.
22:07:42romanoshi.. anyone knows how to get a .fnt file font to ipl ?
22:08:56romanosno one's answering
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22:14:13Mikachuinteliwasp: just choose another wps
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22:19:17inteliwaspso i'm in the process of making my own wps, is it posible to have more than one "next song" ie: the next 3 or 4 songs?
22:19:42Mikachui don't think so
22:19:53Mikachubut you can View Playlist
22:20:30inteliwasptrue, but i want to glance at one screen quickly b/c i am driving :P
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22:25:00Mikachushouldn't be impossible to implement
22:25:33*inteliwasp ponder about putting in the request now or later...
22:26:07linuxstbjulius: Thanks - I'll try and commit them to CVS this evening so we don't forget them.
22:26:50inteliwaspi noticed that there are 2 diffrent versions of the default display, witch one do i chose to edit for my ipod 4G?
22:28:32inteliwaspthere is recorder and player defaults
22:28:51Mikachuyou might as well make a completely new one with the tags you want
22:29:01Mikachuor chose an ipod 4g theme that looks about right from the wps gallery
22:29:11Mikachuor one of these
22:30:05juliuslinuxstb, no problem, you're more than welcome! anytime, anywhere :)
22:30:05inteliwaspi like the default one the best, but my skill at making something new is horid, but editing an exiting file i am great
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22:30:39*petur loves to edit exiting files :P
22:31:11romanoslinux, have u got any idea on how to get .fnt fonts on ipl?
22:31:35romanoskan i get to my ext partition through windows?
22:31:47romanosi need access to usr
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22:32:17linuxstbromanos: No idea.
22:32:42romanoshave to boot into a live cd then
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22:33:35SuntigerHey all. Any commit-access devs here?
22:34:00SuntigerJust thought I'd call attention to this:
22:34:27SuntigerThere's been a fairly egregious error in the JPEG plugin for a while now
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22:34:56SuntigerI've posted, on that Flyspray page, edits that fix it, but no one seems to have noticed
22:34:58Mikachuyes, _PRE with a button combo is stupid
22:35:07Mikachuit does work, but you have to press the buttons at the _exact_ same time
22:35:13*Suntiger shrugs
22:35:18SuntigerJdgordon seems to like those
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22:35:36SuntigerI like his patches, but yeah, that particular bit is nearly impossible to use
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22:37:18SuntigerSo yeah, anyways. Any chance that can be fixed in CVS?
22:38:01preglowi'll check it out eventually if no one else beats me to it, i can't test it right now
22:38:15bluebrotherlinuxstb: there is a ext2 driver for windows with write support:
22:38:30SuntigerAight, thanks preglow. All I really wanted was for someone to at least know it was there...
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22:40:14preglowi've noticed the problem myself, just didn't care enough to try fixing, heh
22:40:16linuxstbbluebrother: Thanks, but I think romanos is the person to tell...
22:40:39bluebrotheroops, wrong one ;-)
22:41:12bluebrotherromanos seems to have left. Never mind ...
22:41:14inteliwaspi made a wps but how do i "play" it to activate it?
22:41:17SuntigerSee, minor shit like that is my thing... I take a look, and if I see something that looks like it could be causing the problem, I test. In this case, at least, I was right
22:41:32SuntigerInteliwasp: Menu -> Browse Themes
22:41:49peturinteliwasp: copy it into the wsp folder first of course
22:41:59inteliwaspit does not show mine
22:42:09inteliwaspit is there
22:42:10SuntigerYep, petur was right. Sorry
22:42:17bluebrotherinteliwasp: if it's only a wps: General Settings -> Display -> browse .wps files
22:42:46linuxstbbluebrother: I guess he's busy rebooting into Linux...
22:43:02bluebrotherhehe :)
22:43:08inteliwasp:D yay it works! thanks!
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22:43:37juliusit may be the wrong place, but do someone knows why I get "malformed patch at line 59" when I try to apply the doom_scroll3.patch from here:
22:44:05linuxstbMost likely a DOS/Unix text file issue.
22:44:22SuntigerI thought the patch tool fixed that automatically?
22:44:38Mikachuno, the patch is broken
22:44:40SuntigerOr at least, I've seen patch convert from DOS to UNIX at least once in VMware
22:44:41Mikachuat line 59
22:44:48Mikachujulius: change ,10 to ,9
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22:45:04Bagderamiconn: around?
22:45:07Mikachujulius: on line 49
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22:46:05juliusMikachu, yep, it worked, thanks a lot!
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22:48:09amiconnBagder: Now I am
22:48:33Bagderamiconn: you ready to take the gcc4 for sh jump?
22:48:47amiconnI am. Are you?
22:49:18linuxstbDo you need more build servers to do it? (e.g. me?)
22:49:18amiconnI just need to edit the path in to switch to gcc 4.0.3
22:49:48Bagderlinuxstb: yes please
22:50:23amiconnThe patch is available at
22:50:27Bagderok, so I update the main build server first to 4.0.3-patched
22:50:37Bagderthen we can commit the configure fix
22:50:54linuxstbOK, I'll start compiling now.
22:51:16amiconnI also tried 4.1.0, it gives a minimal improvement compared to 4.0.3, but throws a couple of new warnings
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22:51:50amiconnI think we should stick to 4.0.3 for now
22:51:51Bagdersh-elf-gcc −−version
22:51:51Bagdersh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)
22:52:35amiconnLet's bring back rombox for fmrecorder and recorder v2! :-)
22:52:52Mikachuthis is a silly question, but what is rombox?
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22:55:15amiconnBagder: Iirc Linus built the cygwin gcc packages. These will need updating, as well as the vmware image.
22:55:27amiconnNow if I knew how to make cygwin packages...
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22:55:51amiconn...I already have sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3-patched for cygwin
22:57:00Learamiconn: that patch is specific for sh-elf? (I guess it's the one you talked about a couple of days ago...)
22:57:26inteliwaspMikachu: after useing my new ubber wps :P no skipping i guess the peak meter needs some twiking...
22:57:32amiconnyes, although it doesn't hurt when building other crosscompilers
22:57:38Mikachuinteliwasp: yep
22:57:57amiconn(then the version string is th eonly thing that changes)
22:57:57linuxstbamiconn: Did you get about 7 warnings of the form "../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/config/sh/ warning: operand 1 missing mode?
22:58:14amiconnThese warnings are normal when building gcc...
22:58:35amiconnMy patch doesn't even touch, it only touches sh.h (and version.c)
22:59:04amiconnThe Right Thing would be to fix final.c, but I have no idea how
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23:00:35linuxstbMy 4.0.3 build has failed with "as: unrecognised option `-big'"
23:00:39romanoshi. if i use disk defragmenter , will that mess my ipod?
23:00:52amiconnlinuxstb: Oh?
23:00:55peturromanos: that will be sloooow
23:01:05amiconnDo you have the correct as in the path?
23:01:15romanoswill do any good job though?
23:01:26linuxstbI've got my native as, plus sh-elf-as from binutils-2.16
23:01:37amiconnI think gcc configure goofs when it doesn't find sh-elf-as
23:02:09Mikachuyou could try putting sh-elf/bin first in your path maybe?
23:02:13linuxstbThe command it fails on is: /home/dave/BUILD/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc -B/home/dave/BUILD/build-gcc/gcc/ -B/usr/local/sh-1/bin//sh-elf/bin/ -B/usr/local/sh-1/bin//sh-elf/lib/ -isystem /usr/local/sh-1/bin//sh-elf/include -isystem /usr/local/sh-1/bin//sh-elf/sys-include -c -o crt1.o -x assembler-with-cpp ../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/config/sh/crt1.asm
23:02:28Mikachuis as binutils or gcc?
23:02:28peturromanos: it's probably faster to delete all files and copy them back (you must of course have a copy of the files on your pc)
23:02:46amiconnas is binutils
23:03:12Mikachuthat looks like the path is right
23:03:13preglowamiconn: hi, how would we discover the input sample rate when spdif recording on archos?
23:03:17amiconnlinuxstb: sh-elf-as −−version
23:03:30linuxstbGNU assembler 2.16
23:03:37romanosi should get a 4gb nano :(
23:03:49romanosnow i'm starting regreet it
23:03:58amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm. I'm using 2.16.1, like for all other targets
23:04:01romanosthat i got a 2
23:04:18linuxstbI think it's trying to execute "as", but finding my native one first, instead of sh-elf-as. I'll change the PATH order.
23:04:24amiconnlinuxstb: Does sh-elf-as −−help show you the -big option?
23:04:25linuxstb(as Mikachu suggested)
23:04:45linuxstbamiconn: I tried typing "as -big" (error), and "sh-elf-as -big" (waits for input)
23:04:59Mikachuit's possible that it could have a bad effect if it uses x86 as to produce intermediate building binaries
23:05:03amiconngcc configure problem then
23:05:25amiconnMikachu: I didn't observe such effects.
23:05:45amiconnI have all my cross-build bin/ dirs before others in the path
23:06:15Mikachuthe bin with as or the bin with sh-elf-as?
23:06:15*amiconn just discovered a nice option...
23:06:47amiconnjens@transpluto:~/rb-patched$ echo $PATH
23:07:10Mikachui would guess that's the ones with $target-as then
23:07:23*linuxstb found his mistake - I set −−prefix to include the /bin...
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23:07:55*linuxstb tries again.
23:08:51Bagdernow, and are all running 4.0.3-patched for sh-elf
23:09:20romanosdfragment took me about 5 minutes with 1,2 gigs petur.. quite smoothly i have to say
23:09:34preglowamiconn: ping
23:09:46amiconnpreglow: oops
23:09:56peturromanos: right, small device...
23:10:02romanosi'm not using rockbox when in hard disk mode, but apple os
23:10:10amiconnWe can ask the MAS
23:10:11peturromanos: I've got 40GB :)
23:10:27preglowamiconn: ok, so we don't need to inspect any frames or anything?
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23:11:05amiconnWe can get 2 types of info from the MAS, the s/pdif channel status bits and the mpeg frame header
23:11:20romanosany way to defragment ext2 ?
23:11:40preglowamiconn: i've found cases where the channel status are not to be trusted
23:11:42amiconnI don't know whether the consumer channel status bits include the sampe rate, iirc we only get the first 16 bits
23:12:01preglowi've had to switch to using the freq measurement circuit on coldfir enow
23:12:28amiconnOtoh, the channel status bits are always avaliable, both when recording for real and when just monitoring
23:12:36preglowhmm, yes
23:12:42preglowif that is so, we don't really have a choice on archos
23:12:44amiconnThe frame headers are only available when recording for real
23:12:55preglowi tag the wav as recording starts
23:13:08preglowforget that
23:13:13preglowi won't need that on archos
23:13:22preglowso this will be primarily for display purposes
23:13:25amiconnWe already handle that
23:13:33amiconnIt's only for display, yes
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23:14:18preglowif i get spdif working for release, i think i'm going to make the recording screen display the real sample rate for spdif recording as well, would be nice if someone with an archos could make a routine that works for that as well
23:14:22*preglow likes consistency
23:14:40linuxstb$ sh-elf-gcc −−version
23:14:40linuxstbsh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)
23:14:48linuxstbNow I'll give it a test.
23:14:49amiconnRockbox on archos writes an empty 4KB id3v2 tag when starting a recording, and later prepends a xing header before the start of the mp3 stream, shortening the id3v2 header
23:14:53Bagderok, I have what seems to be a working configure check now
23:15:12Mikachunot sure if it's relevant, but id3v2.4 lets you write the tag at the end of a file
23:15:24amiconnXing has to be at the start
23:16:00amiconnArchos retail chooses another way, it overwrites the first frame with the xing header
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23:16:41amiconnMikachu: For the sake of battery, I would avoid headers at the end for mobile devices
23:17:09Mikachucan't you just seek backward from the end?
23:17:19amiconnSeeking always costs battery
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23:17:41amiconnYou need to seek to the end & back (or seek to the end, close and re-open)
23:18:19amiconnlinuxstb: You should edit the Makefile before building for archos
23:18:31amiconn(right now, the configure fix will change that)
23:19:34linuxstbamiconn: Ah, you mean to enable -Os ?
23:19:40preglowtags at the start of a file is an abomination
23:20:00amiconnTags belong there.
23:20:01Mikachui didn't mean to start a religious discussion :)
23:20:08preglowhell no
23:20:14preglowthey belong at the end, as the good lord intended
23:20:16Mikachutoo late i guess
23:20:26*amiconn totally disagress
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23:20:31preglowi decided to make it religious at once
23:20:50preglowkeeping them at the start breaks programs everytime someone decides a new tag format is needed
23:21:10preglowbest of all is just using a good container format, of course
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23:22:01linuxstbOr just _any_ container...
23:22:08preglowhaha, yes
23:22:17Mikachuogg mp3
23:22:20Mikachuthat would be something
23:22:20preglowi'd rather see mp3 in ogg than mp3 in nothing
23:22:33Mikachui put an mpeg1 video in avi the other day
23:22:33preglowbut i guess we're not that lucky
23:22:34linuxstbmp4 mp3 just to confuse people
23:22:42amiconnBagder: Argh, why didn't you warn before commit...
23:22:55Bagdernow we get to test it more ;-)
23:23:05preglowonly container format i've ever seen mp3 in is riff
23:23:11preglowwhich hardly counts as a container at all
23:23:14Mikachuand avi
23:23:16Mikachui assume
23:23:33Mikachunot only mp3 though
23:23:36amiconnYes, avi can contain mp3, as well as mob
23:23:38linuxstbI think I've downloaded some mp3 files in asf containers.
23:23:44markunI've seen mp3 in RIFF WAV files
23:24:15markunpreglow: ah, you've said that already
23:25:02amiconnBagder: I take it that I should better not edit during a build cycle...
23:25:14BagderI think you can
23:27:03amiconnOkay, next build round should use new sh-elf-gcc
23:27:43Mikachuwould it be silly to run code from flash on nanos?
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23:28:48amiconnWell, not necessarily *run* from flash, but I woul dlike to have rockbox in flash on all platforms...
23:29:03*amiconn really likes the fast boot on archos
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23:29:07Mikachui mean the flash disk
23:29:40amiconnI don't think you can run code from there
23:30:01amiconnThe flash behaves as an ordinary ata device
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23:30:25Mikachui saw some talk about XIP support for ext2 on lkml recently
23:30:37Mikachu(execute in place)
23:30:44Mikachufor embedded devices
23:30:54Mikachuit would probably be too slow anyway
23:31:04Bagderit requires that you can access and use the flash as ordinary mem
23:32:18Bagdernother Rockbox article
23:32:47amiconnBagder: Hmm, configure says gcc 4.0.3 is rockbox patched
23:32:49linuxstbBagder: My 4.0.3 gcc is now up and running for sh. I've tested an Archos Recorder v1 build with -Os, and it seems to work fine.
23:33:00amiconn..but it doesn't set -Os ...
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23:33:36peturBagder: nice article
23:33:57*petur hides for another flood of ipod users
23:34:22amiconnBagder: ..neither on cygwin nor linux...
23:34:28Bagderfixed now
23:35:35preglownice article
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23:38:39linuxstbAgreed - positive article, but missing tagcache.
23:40:03petura bit thin on the functionality
23:40:06preglowis the only way to update tagcache to force it manually?
23:40:09Mikachuhm it would be fun to use the oscilloscope plugin with line-in, a real oscilloscope
23:40:49Mikachu(with very low time res of course)
23:41:43peturis anybody going to post a comment with more info?
23:41:52Bagderweird build failures
23:42:02Bagderneed to update my oldish binutils too I guess
23:42:27petur2200 :P
23:42:38Bagderhm, no its 2.16.1
23:42:57amiconnBagder: I see red, and wonder what happened...
23:43:04Bagderme too
23:43:54*amiconn tries a bootloader build himself...
23:44:07BagderI get the same error here
23:44:13amiconnMaybe the -Os changes things for bootbox? (though I don't know why/how)
23:47:15 Quit ender` (" How many Unix system vendors does it take to change a light bulb? None.All of the light bulbs you have are'standard variants)
23:47:53Bagder-save-temps is a good option
23:47:54amiconngcc 4.0.3 reorders sections when building with -Os
23:48:05*amiconn already used -save-temps :)
23:48:41amiconnThe UIE<num> block ends up in .text
23:48:55amiconn...but UIE itself gets its own section
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23:49:04amiconn..due to sectioned compilation
23:49:18Bagderand... system.s:260: Error: displacement to defined symbol _UIE overflows 12-bit field
23:49:25amiconn...and when linking, they end up too far away
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23:49:54amiconnWe have some options, none of them being bulletproof though
23:50:09amiconn(1) We could force UIE into .text
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23:50:46amiconn(2) We could put the UIE<num> block inside UIE itself
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23:54:12BagderI don't think I can tell which approach to prefer
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