| 00:01:13 | lostlogic | zomg, teh back in the US :-\ |
| 00:03:00 | preglow | roflolhax |
| 00:03:19 | preglow | how was the frencher side of europe? |
| 00:03:28 | lostlogic | Fan-fricking-tastic |
| 00:03:43 | lostlogic | I had so much fun, I didn't even notice I didn't use the internet for 4 days! |
| 00:03:53 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, perhaps the best idea is forcing both UIE and the block into .text.uie. This way they will always end up close together |
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| 00:04:30 | amiconn | While my (2) suggestion would also ensure that, it would be hackish as it relies on an unreachable block within UIE() |
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| 00:11:14 | preglow | lostlogic: then i'm sure you'll welcome a week of voice ui bug whining! |
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| 00:15:08 | XavierGr | wow welcome back lostlogic, was it good in Paris? |
| 00:15:58 | muesli_- | one night in paris? |
| 00:15:59 | muesli_- | ;) |
| 00:16:18 | * | XavierGr hates installers for stupid little programs! |
| 00:16:32 | amiconn | Bagder: Red builds should be fixed now |
| 00:16:42 | Bagder | neato |
| 00:17:18 | amiconn | lostlogic: Please upgrade you build server's sh-elf-gcc to 4.0.3-patched (see CrossCompiler) |
| 00:17:33 | amiconn | (other build server operators too, of course) |
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| 00:18:22 | XavierGr | amiconn: can you do the same for the VMware image? |
| 00:18:43 | amiconn | I probably could, but where to upload it again? |
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| 00:19:16 | XavierGr | well you could ask bagder to host it again. And I should contact the other guy that is hosting the file |
| 00:19:48 | XavierGr | Maybe I could do it too, but I don't trust my connection. (and maybe my skills) |
| 00:19:54 | Bagder | we host it too |
| 00:19:58 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/ |
| 00:20:02 | lostlogic | preglow: uhh... I'll need to get some sleep first :) |
| 00:20:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: I will...\ |
| 00:21:26 | Bagder | green is nice |
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| 00:21:49 | amiconn | Ugh, why does the vmware image run such oldish stuff... |
| 00:21:57 | amiconn | kernel 2.4, gcc 3.3.5 ... |
| 00:22:21 | XavierGr | well I donloaded the stable installer from debian |
| 00:22:34 | XavierGr | the gcc in borrowed from the older vmware image |
| 00:23:15 | amiconn | downloading... |
| 00:23:22 | * | amiconn needs to install 7zip |
| 00:23:38 | preglow | debian stable??? |
| 00:24:00 | preglow | oh well |
| 00:24:01 | amiconn | aka debian stone-age |
| 00:24:03 | preglow | it's a vm anyway |
| 00:25:07 | XavierGr | well I don't know much about linux so I thought stable should be better. |
| 00:26:30 | amiconn | Bagder: Is downloads.rockbox.org connected to the 2MBit line? |
| 00:27:14 | * | amiconn wonders why the download is slower than expected |
| 00:27:35 | XavierGr | can we say that 2 frames is exactly the same amount of time in all mp3s? |
| 00:27:46 | preglow | no |
| 00:27:50 | preglow | it depends on the sample rate |
| 00:27:53 | Bagder | amiconn: no, 100mbit |
| 00:28:25 | amiconn | hmm |
| 00:28:30 | * | amiconn wondering more |
| 00:28:33 | preglow | XavierGr: 1 frame is exactly the same number of samples (1152) for all mp3 files, but not the same amount of time |
| 00:29:00 | amiconn | Not entirely true |
| 00:29:16 | amiconn | For mpeg version 2 and 2.5 it's 576 samples for layer 3 |
| 00:29:47 | XavierGr | preglow if it is the same sample rate? |
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| 00:32:34 | amiconn | XavierGr: mpeg version 1 frames (32/44.1/48 kHz) have 384 samples for layer 1, 1152 samples for layer 2 and 3 |
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| 00:32:58 | Manoj | hi folks |
| 00:33:19 | amiconn | mpeg version 2 frames (16/22.05/24 kHz) and version 2.5 (8/11.025/12 kHz) have 384 samples for layer 1, 1152 samples for layer 2 and 576 samples for layer 3 |
| 00:33:28 | Manoj | Do the bootloader for rockbox and the actual version of rockbox I compile have to be in perfect sync? |
| 00:33:46 | amiconn | So the frametime is fixed as long as the sample rate doesn't change |
| 00:34:00 | Bagder | Manoj: no |
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| 00:34:18 | Bagder | Manoj: you normally don't upgrade the bootloader after the initial install |
| 00:35:22 | Manoj | ah. good to know. I fell in love with the Green5g theme, and want to try a variant using the album art patches |
| 00:36:08 | preglow | i want a nano version of green |
| 00:36:10 | preglow | grah |
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| 00:36:52 | * | preglow prods nudelyn |
| 00:37:02 | nudelyn | i've almost finished oblivion |
| 00:37:06 | preglow | hahaha |
| 00:37:09 | preglow | still playing that, are you |
| 00:37:18 | nudelyn | almost 170 hours of playtime,lol |
| 00:37:22 | nudelyn | stupid game! |
| 00:37:30 | preglow | damned pretty, though |
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| 00:37:39 | nudelyn | got a couple of weeks off now, but also have some opus plugin stuff to write |
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| 00:38:07 | Manoj | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `rockboxlogo.h', needed by `/usr/local/ipod/src/rockbox-stable/rockbox-daily-20060419/build/apps/bookmark.o'. Stop. |
| 00:38:13 | Manoj | dang. Now I must go hunting |
| 00:38:37 | preglow | nudelyn: sure, but making a nano version of green is done in a jiffy, right? :> |
| 00:39:08 | Manoj | Hmm. no rockboxlogo.h in the daily build sources either |
| 00:39:17 | nudelyn | shouldn't take too long, hour or so i guess |
| 00:39:30 | nudelyn | just have to be in the mood for doing photoshop stuff |
| 00:39:50 | Manoj | gui/logo.h exists |
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| 00:42:44 | Bagder | Manoj: that's with unaltered sources? |
| 00:43:09 | Manoj | unfortunately, no |
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| 00:44:15 | Bagder | so then you're using an outdated patch |
| 00:44:17 | Manoj | ah. make clean seems to help |
| 00:44:30 | Bagder | ok |
| 00:44:33 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: I thought that a frame in MP3 lasts for 26ms (26/1000s) and is constant like the number of samples in it. |
| 00:44:59 | Manoj | well, the green5g patches do not apply to newer CVS sources than 20060419 |
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| 00:45:11 | Manoj | so this is an old CVS, with perhaps outdated patches |
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| 00:45:37 | preglow | Genre9mp3: the number of samples is constant, but the time is not, since time is a function of sample rate, which can vary |
| 00:45:39 | Manoj | I am not sure I want to spend time grokking the sources yet to bring th patches up to date |
| 00:45:50 | Manoj | but I might |
| 00:47:18 | Genre9mp3 | And if the bitrate is higher,the frame size is simply larger and vice versa, right? |
| 00:48:03 | preglow | yes, size in bytes, but not samples |
| 00:48:17 | Genre9mp3 | ok...thanx for clearing that |
| 00:49:07 | qwm | :) |
| 00:49:12 | qwm | midkay ! |
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| 01:00:12 | amiconn | XavierGr: Is there a reason why you used a preallocated disk file? |
| 01:00:21 | amiconn | Seems like a waste... |
| 01:01:48 | stevenm | Hey guys. What's the command to add a file to CVS again ? |
| 01:03:02 | XavierGr | amiconn: I am not sure what you are talking about. I just remember that VMware asked for a specific size for the disk. |
| 01:03:10 | XavierGr | Could it be dynamically set? |
| 01:03:19 | Mikachu | you set the max size, but only the used space will be used |
| 01:03:51 | amiconn | vmware disk files can either allocate all space statically, or grow with the space used |
| 01:04:07 | XavierGr | hmm I don't remember this option |
| 01:04:10 | amiconn | The latter is standard, static allocation must be explicitly chosen |
| 01:04:53 | * | XavierGr fires up VMware |
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| 01:05:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: you mean the allocate disk space now? |
| 01:06:09 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:06:33 | XavierGr | then silly me, you are right it is not checked by default |
| 01:06:49 | XavierGr | although this is not a problem once the disk is compressed. |
| 01:07:26 | amiconn | It's not a problem for transferring the image, sure |
| 01:07:44 | amiconn | But it's a bit of a waste when unpacked |
| 01:07:54 | XavierGr | also don't forget to do the "dd" magic command before compressing the image. |
| 01:08:02 | amiconn | ? |
| 01:08:08 | XavierGr | it sure did a lot of different in the final compressed size. |
| 01:08:21 | XavierGr | damn I don't remember the exact command. |
| 01:08:34 | * | amiconn tries to figure out how to transfer gcc sources into the vm |
| 01:09:27 | amiconn | This fluxbox is a weird gui, and english keyboard setting doesn't make it easier... |
| 01:09:34 | qwm | ich habe scheisse. |
| 01:09:54 | XavierGr | amiconn: I tried to put there the lighter window manager |
| 01:10:03 | amiconn | yes, sure |
| 01:10:05 | XavierGr | it is only 2 MB from what I remember |
| 01:10:27 | XavierGr | as for the keybaord you can try kbdconfigure as root. |
| 01:10:37 | preglow | qwm: i'd get rid of it if i were you |
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| 01:13:27 | preglow | night |
| 01:13:47 | Mikachu | fluxbox sucks, use openbox ;) |
| 01:14:37 | amiconn | Why not fvwm2? |
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| 01:15:03 | stevenm | anyone mind if i commit the midi sound output patch ? |
| 01:15:08 | qwm | no tabs in openbox right? |
| 01:15:25 | Mikachu | correct |
| 01:15:54 | qwm | :> |
| 01:16:09 | qwm | that's a major minus. |
| 01:16:31 | qwm | i wouldn't be able to survive for long without the tabs feature. |
| 01:16:56 | stevenm | real quick, are the buildservers gcc 3 or 4 now? |
| 01:17:04 | Mikachu | yes, they are |
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| 01:17:28 | stevenm | Mikachu, what version are the buildservers? |
| 01:17:36 | Mikachu | 3 or 4 |
| 01:17:49 | Mikachu | depends on the target |
| 01:18:03 | stevenm | H3x0 |
| 01:18:25 | Mikachu | then i have no idea |
| 01:18:37 | stevenm | I'm about to send up a few files.. tested Normal and Sim build on the dev kit that I had, compiles and runs. dont want to make a red build |
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| 01:18:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: 3.4.6 I think. Or .5 |
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| 01:18:59 | amiconn | qwm: tabs? |
| 01:19:02 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, all right... thanks |
| 01:19:06 | Mikachu | tabs are crazy |
| 01:19:12 | Mikachu | you put many windows in a single frame |
| 01:19:57 | qwm | i love it. |
| 01:19:58 | qwm | :) |
| 01:20:03 | amiconn | Hmm, I like that in a browser... |
| 01:20:10 | qwm | yeah. |
| 01:20:13 | Mikachu | yes, it should be implemented in applications where appropriate |
| 01:21:07 | lostlogic | amiconn: my server's upgraded. |
| 01:21:17 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 01:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does anyone agree with me here, by the way? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5268 <−−- I think that he should go ahead and commit this, and let the iPod users be the ones to test it. |
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| 01:25:56 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 01:26:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it's already a codec that shouldn't be included in the 3.0 release, and the only way to really put it through its paces in an expedient manner is to have a group of people who don't traditionally compile their own builds give it a shot. |
| 01:27:15 | Febs | Does "Gather runtime data" do anything anymore? Wasn't that associated with the now-defunct tag database? |
| 01:27:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Gather Runtime Data doesn't do anything (or anything usable) at the moment I believe |
| 01:27:54 | Febs | So then it should be removed before the release? |
| 01:28:04 | midkay | right.. |
| 01:28:24 | midkay | i think a few things should be rearranged too.. |
| 01:28:36 | midkay | tag cache stuff should IMO be moved to the file view menu... |
| 01:28:58 | Febs | I agree. I wrote it into the manual today and it seemed to be in an odd place. |
| 01:30:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:32:59 | stevenm | sweet, it didnt break cvs! |
| 01:34:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: So, it somewhat works? When I tried his patch it was "okay" on iRiver, and non-functioning on iPod. |
| 01:35:09 | Febs | Has there been any talk of having an installer for the 3.0 release? If not, I'm going to put the current installation instructions into the manual. |
| 01:35:33 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, well... it produces sound. I do not know of ipod, as unfortunately do not have one. I was meaning to try it for a while, but lack of device. My friend lent me a rockboxed iriver yesterday, so I tried it out |
| 01:35:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: Well, bootloader install instructions will be necessary anyway, but an installer has been mentioned. I don't know if there's anyone really *doing* it though. |
| 01:36:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: Well, I know it wasn't very fast with the one midi I had. Lemme compile and let you know what it does on iPods then. :) |
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| 01:37:15 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, alright, cool. I did increase the sampling rate, but that is because it is just not useable at 11kHz. Either need to change the fractional percision, or what. I added some stuff to deal with buffer misses... a more of a quick fix than optimization but it sounds better |
| 01:37:20 | sharpe | i are back everyone! |
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| 01:37:51 | qwm | good to know, sharpe |
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| 01:38:09 | sharpe | yes. |
| 01:38:26 | sharpe | i know you all missed me and my great depressing moods. |
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| 01:44:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: Where can I get the patchset. Just realized I have that no longer |
| 01:45:11 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, stevenm/patchset.tbz2">http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2 I think I still have it there |
| 01:45:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Got it |
| 01:47:07 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, also change the viewers.config... file is midiplay.rock |
| 01:47:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
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| 01:48:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: The viewers.confing already points to midiplay |
| 01:48:35 | stevenm | there is occasionally strangeness with it for some reason. Starts playing, but instead of notes, you hear clicks. Next file you play will lock up during the malloc/load stage, unless you reboot device. Don't know if it's always been there or just since this patch. Always worked fine for me on laptop |
| 01:48:44 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, ah yes, I changed it too. ok |
| 01:48:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: I think it's too fast... |
| 01:49:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | When it's not getting 6 million buffer misses, that is. |
| 01:49:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 01:49:16 | stevenm | haha |
| 01:49:19 | stevenm | this is ipod ? |
| 01:49:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 01:49:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I think nearly double speed. |
| 01:49:39 | stevenm | oh wow. i still get them on iriver, ipod must be slower |
| 01:50:19 | stevenm | i'll have to look into that somehow. The rate of playback is determined by how many samples need to be generated per each midi tick. so the timing is based on the DSP |
| 01:50:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: It also eventually froze, it seems. I'm not sure if it finished playback or just froze |
| 01:51:14 | stevenm | i am sorry to hear that... i really don't know how to debug that on my own. My friend just lent me an iriver yesterday, so I been doing that.. but no other hardware here besides a PC |
| 01:51:20 | stevenm | and an old archos :( |
| 01:51:59 | stevenm | i think it'll stop if you hit a button.. unless it is hard locked up |
| 01:52:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, it's a hard lock |
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| 01:52:25 | themadhat | hey |
| 01:52:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: It froze on a "Tempo Set = 754" |
| 01:53:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | 7547 actually, I think |
| 01:53:30 | themadhat | is rockbox good |
| 01:53:31 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, thats just a tempo event from the file. seems kind of a low number htough |
| 01:53:43 | themadhat | i just downloaded the ipod linux installer and i chose the rockbox option |
| 01:53:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: It's a semi-slow song. The opening to Zelda on NES. |
| 01:53:50 | themadhat | im just a newb i know nothign abotu it |
| 01:54:03 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, aah |
| 01:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: I'd suggest visiting Rockbox.org and skimming the manual then. |
| 01:54:32 | stevenm | Paul_The_Nerd, I have got to get to homework. been putting it off all day. hopefully eventually the thing will be fully working |
| 01:54:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | stevenm: Hopefully. No big rush, figured I'd offer what feedback I could. :) |
| 01:54:56 | stevenm | aah. thank you. that is appreciated |
| 01:55:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm often around and have an H120 and an iPod Nano available for various testing purposes. |
| 01:55:30 | stevenm | nice |
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| 01:56:28 | stevenm | now, food, then major major matlab work. see you guys |
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| 02:10:23 | themadhat | hey |
| 02:10:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters something about people assuming that "if it doesn't work for me, it doesn't function." |
| 02:10:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hola |
| 02:10:36 | themadhat | hwo do i start rockbox my ipod is just booting into the normal seetings |
| 02:11:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: You've installed the Rockbox bootloader? |
| 02:11:23 | themadhat | i just used the ipod linux automatic installer |
| 02:12:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does that install Loader2 for iPodLinux then? |
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| 02:14:35 | amiconn | Hmm, how can I shutdown from fluxbox? |
| 02:14:46 | sharpe | pull the plug. |
| 02:14:54 | themadhat | 1 sec i have to reastrt my pc sorry lol |
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| 02:16:59 | qwm | amiconn: right click -> fluxbox-menu -> exit |
| 02:17:04 | qwm | assuming you have that in your menu. |
| 02:17:32 | amiconn | That only exits fluxbox, and restarts X + fluxbox... |
| 02:18:12 | qwm | sure you clicked on "exit" and not "restart"? |
| 02:18:14 | qwm | ;) |
| 02:18:31 | amiconn | yes i am |
| 02:19:19 | qwm | that's odd. |
| 02:20:25 | XavierGr | amiconn: as root |
| 02:20:29 | XavierGr | shutdown -r 0 |
| 02:20:43 | XavierGr | it will restart the machine |
| 02:20:44 | Manoj | Hmm. not much of a update needed for the patches to work on todays daily source tarball |
| 02:21:04 | amiconn | XavierGr: You can only do that as root... |
| 02:21:17 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:21:31 | amiconn | For shutdown, use shutdown -h now then |
| 02:21:33 | XavierGr | fluxbox weirdyness I guess |
| 02:21:38 | XavierGr | or.. |
| 02:21:43 | amiconn | But that's not really convenient |
| 02:21:54 | XavierGr | look at the .xsession file |
| 02:22:05 | amiconn | I won't fiddle with the vm more than necessary right now |
| 02:22:15 | XavierGr | ok |
| 02:22:21 | amiconn | It now has a shiny new sh-elf-gcc, and I'll repackage it |
| 02:22:29 | XavierGr | so you managed to update it? |
| 02:22:33 | XavierGr | ah nice |
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| 02:24:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | One day I'm going to have to get the new vmware image. |
| 02:24:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm still using the one without X and SDL and all that shiny stuff |
| 02:25:03 | midkay | haha. loser. :) |
| 02:27:19 | amiconn | XavierGr: I found the 'trick' to clear unused blocks, and also cleared the swap partition. Should give nice compression |
| 02:28:05 | * | amiconn 's own vm uses a separate virtual disk for swap, which he made a copy from in a clean state |
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| 02:28:35 | amiconn | ugh. Estimated compression time: 40 minutes |
| 02:29:35 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:30:40 | sharpe | haha? |
| 02:31:06 | mrmagic52 | I have a question about the Ipod version of rockbox. Does it load the whole song into ram or does it just keep streaming it off the hard drive. Since the 5g 60 gig has 64 megs of ram it would be nice if the music files loaded in ram just like the ipod firmware. This helps the battery life. |
| 02:31:15 | sharpe | into teh ram. |
| 02:31:18 | mrmagic52 | k |
| 02:31:26 | mrmagic52 | ty |
| 02:31:29 | sharpe | welcome |
| 02:31:38 | mrmagic52 | love the program |
| 02:31:47 | mrmagic52 | I'll donate some when I get some cash this month |
| 02:32:15 | sharpe | heh, go for it. not like it benefits me. :) |
| 02:32:32 | mrmagic52 | I have the ipod linux. Rockbox and ipod firmware all selectable from a multiboot menu..... |
| 02:32:56 | mrmagic52 | still haven't found any use for ipod linux |
| 02:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | mrmagic52: Rockbox's buffering algorithm is a bit different than the iPod retail firmwares, but it's designed to be most efficient if you tend to listen to your songs the whole way through, and not skip around alot. Unfortunately, I think we only manage to use half of the 5G 60gig's ram. Does anyone know if that was ever fixed? |
| 02:34:20 | mrmagic52 | I'm sure they'll fix it. It's a big deal to me. |
| 02:34:26 | amiconn | No, and fixing that will be very hard |
| 02:34:34 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes 7zip takes long |
| 02:35:40 | midkay | amiconn, how will it be very hard? simply adjusting buffersize at compiletime is the solution, right? |
| 02:35:54 | amiconn | In theory, yes |
| 02:36:10 | XavierGr | amiconn: is there a but? |
| 02:37:02 | amiconn | Yes. It will be cumbersome for the user if he has to decide whether he's got a 32MB or 64MB model |
| 02:37:21 | midkay | um.. the user doesn't know if he has a 30gb or a 60gb model? |
| 02:37:29 | midkay | that's one retarded user ;) |
| 02:37:31 | amiconn | It would be possible to autodetect the RAM size, but that has further implications |
| 02:37:32 | XavierGr | I thought that only 60 GB models have 64MB ram |
| 02:37:41 | midkay | XavierGr, right. |
| 02:37:42 | mrmagic52 | right only 60 gig have 64 meg |
| 02:38:02 | amiconn | Yes, *now* only the 60GB model has 64MB ram |
| 02:38:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Trust me, some of the people I've talked with in the forums are *well* below that threshold. "What sort of iPod do you have" has been responded to with both "Black" and in one PM "The kind that plays music." |
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| 02:38:22 | midkay | hahahaha |
| 02:38:24 | XavierGr | haha |
| 02:38:36 | mrmagic52 | I do internet tech support.... I understand |
| 02:38:45 | XavierGr | is there another kind of iPod? |
| 02:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 02:38:56 | mrmagic52 | Is the phone line plugged into your modem? "WHat's a modem?" |
| 02:38:57 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 02:39:00 | amiconn | yes there is ;) |
| 02:39:05 | midkay | amiconn, is that bound to change? i don't think it will, and of course the system can be adjusted to any new model.. |
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| 02:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The real concern is that it'd be nice to offer ONE 5G build, rather than 5G-30 and 5G-60 builds. |
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| 02:39:34 | midkay | just as there could have been a new archos recorder with 8mb.. |
| 02:39:54 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, memory adjustment on-device sounds tricky, but if that's the way they want to go.. |
| 02:40:32 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, it's like offering H100 and iHP-100 builds. same hardware, one has a smaller buffer.. as i understand it. (or very similar hardware). |
| 02:40:50 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Exactly. The same way it would be nice to offer one mini build, instead of separate 1st gen and 2nd gen |
| 02:40:54 | XavierGr | midkay: both are iHPs |
| 02:41:00 | amiconn | For mini, this is comparatively simple |
| 02:41:05 | midkay | XavierGr, oh? |
| 02:41:11 | XavierGr | midkay: iHP-110 and iHP-115 has 16mb buffer |
| 02:41:33 | mrmagic52 | also is there anyplace I can get the natural voice files? |
| 02:41:36 | XavierGr | and maybe some other changes too that I am not aware. Linus knows better |
| 02:41:40 | midkay | XavierGr, my bad.. h100/h120 |
| 02:42:03 | XavierGr | I always disliked the new name. (H1xx) |
| 02:42:25 | XavierGr | but all H1xx models have iHP-1xx written on them so... |
| 02:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, the h110 and h115 have 16mb, the h120 and h140 have 32. But at least with those they're technically different models instead of just different capacities. Though I have once found someone who downloaded the h100 instead of h120 build, it was that they clicked on the wrong thing, instead of being confused. I don't have that confidence with the common iPod user (no offense to the ones in here.) |
| 02:42:43 | amiconn | The important difference (h100/h120 vs. ipod 5g -30/60) is that iriver users are used to the difference, because iriver also offers separate firmware files for download |
| 02:43:37 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:43:47 | midkay | amiconn, ah.. |
| 02:44:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, a lot of people aren't aware there's *any* hardware difference other than the drive capacity. |
| 02:44:12 | mrmagic52 | I don't consider myself a common ipod user..... I was actually able to get the linux install on my ipod 5g to work which is not an easy task |
| 02:44:35 | amiconn | We could offer unified builds for h100/h120, but then we have to solve the same main problem as for ipod 5g 30/60 |
| 02:44:37 | midkay | um, nice job. :p |
| 02:44:59 | XavierGr | amiconn: but are you sure the only difference is ram? |
| 02:45:03 | midkay | amiconn, well, maybe if you/someone do it for one, you'll learn something and it should be easier to do for the other. :) |
| 02:45:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The "common" iPod user can be exemplified by the person who wanted to strip all the ID3 tags from all his files because he had an WPS that showed the path structure to the file, and wanted to use that feature rather than having it show the ID3 info (I'm not sure why... I guess his paths were more correct?) |
| 02:45:13 | mrmagic52 | I still don't see a real use for the ipod linux..... it doesn't do much.... Just neat because I got it on there.... now it's like what do I do now? |
| 02:45:31 | mrmagic52 | true |
| 02:45:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | mrmagic52: That's about how many of us feel. :) |
| 02:45:52 | midkay | don't say that around BHSPitLappy ;) |
| 02:45:54 | XavierGr | of course unifying such cases will make the CVS table shorter. That's a good reason to do so. |
| 02:46:00 | amiconn | The different ram size means that the codec and plugin buffers have a different address with the current ram layout. |
| 02:46:25 | midkay | amiconn, so what is involved in adjustment to a different size? doesn't sound like all that much. |
| 02:46:30 | mrmagic52 | honestly rockbox is much more functional than ipod linux.... |
| 02:46:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Except that he addresses are set at compile time. |
| 02:46:45 | amiconn | Plugins and codecs are linked to a fixed addres, and so they won't run when loaded to a different address |
| 02:46:52 | mrmagic52 | I geeked out when I got doom2 running on my ipod....lol |
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| 02:47:23 | midkay | amiconn, well, there must be a solution or you wouldn't have expected it :) |
| 02:47:31 | midkay | -expected+suggested. |
| 02:47:32 | XavierGr | which runs faster BRW Doom on ipl or doom on Rockbox? (on iPod) |
| 02:47:36 | amiconn | We cannot put the codec + plugin buffers directly behind the firmware either, because these adresses will also change when the build size changes |
| 02:47:52 | midkay | "BRW"? |
| 02:48:10 | XavierGr | BTW sorry |
| 02:48:35 | midkay | haven't managed to get iDoom or iBoy working for me, haven't tried.. so i'm not sure. |
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| 02:49:10 | XavierGr | it would be fun to know though. Imagine if rockbox is faster. |
| 02:49:34 | midkay | if i had to pick one, i'd *guess* that rockbox's is, if any.. |
| 02:49:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Well, I believe ours is the only one with sound. And it looks close enough to fullspeed on my Nano that I can't tell the difference. :) |
| 02:49:49 | midkay | seems like it went through a lot of optimizations. :) |
| 02:49:58 | XavierGr | midkay: due to OS overhead? |
| 02:50:24 | XavierGr | yeah, I bet that rockbox is faster too. |
| 02:51:07 | midkay | XavierGr, yes, and rockbox is definitely faster overall.. |
| 02:51:10 | midkay | we've got smarter coders :) |
| 02:51:40 | XavierGr | midkay: exactly :D |
| 02:51:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | We've got code that was built for audio players, rather than squeezed into one. |
| 02:52:10 | midkay | smiles-and-nods :) |
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| 02:52:51 | mrmagic52 | I can't play idoom on my linux... 5g... I don't even have a music option on my main screen in linux |
| 02:53:18 | midkay | mrmagic52, you're not supposed to have a music option, i'm quite sure. |
| 02:53:27 | mrmagic52 | ahh okay |
| 02:53:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I had one on my Nano. |
| 02:53:55 | mrmagic52 | podzilla 1 had it but podzilla 1 won't work on 5g I have to use podzilla2 |
| 02:54:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaah |
| 02:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I tried 1 and 2 but don't remember if both had it. |
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| 02:54:39 | mrmagic52 | I just saw screenshots with a music option on the menu and I thought I should have that..... I guess I can't play music in linux then? |
| 02:55:09 | mrmagic52 | which doesn't matter to me since I have the new loader with the boot menu |
| 02:55:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, we should have a "For the media" section to our page where there's some basic core information and statistics (A list of "supported" and "usable" targets, maybe the number of downloads in the last week or something if available, and maybe a point of contact for fact-checking of an article if they even care about that sort of thing.) |
| 02:55:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | mrmagic52: The music support in Linux is worse than ours anyway |
| 02:58:12 | mrmagic52 | True |
| 02:58:29 | mrmagic52 | I was just shocked that doom had sound in rockbox.... |
| 02:59:19 | mrmagic52 | here's something funny guys..... |
| 02:59:20 | mrmagic52 | http://www.break.com/index/footstring24.html |
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| 03:04:12 | XavierGr | :) |
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| 03:24:20 | bleaked | is it at all possible to use an alternative filesystem on an ipod? |
| 03:25:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox only supports Fat32 |
| 03:26:58 | sharpe | but, not skinny32. |
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| 03:28:02 | midkay | holy. crap. are. you. serious. |
| 03:28:18 | mrmagic52 | anyone have the natural voice files? |
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| 03:28:23 | themadhat | hey |
| 03:28:38 | themadhat | i have ipodlinux runing now how do i ste up rockbox |
| 03:29:06 | mrmagic52 | have loader2 on it and then just copy the contents of the archive to the root directory of the ipod |
| 03:29:31 | themadhat | hwo do i ste up loader 2 on a 3rd gen |
| 03:29:35 | qwm | Paul_The_Nerd: mentioning fat32 in the year 2006 is punished by death in some countries. |
| 03:29:36 | mrmagic52 | don't know |
| 03:29:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | qwm: It's perfectly suitable for MP3 players |
| 03:29:49 | mrmagic52 | check the ipod linux page |
| 03:30:07 | themadhat | i only see stuff for the 5th gen now |
| 03:30:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:30:13 | qwm | it's perfectly suitable for bill's butthole. |
| 03:30:28 | mrmagic52 | let me check the loader2 page |
| 03:30:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: Well, first you need to restore your iPod's official bootloader. Then run through our bootloader installation process, but instead of using our bootloader.bin use the loader2 one. |
| 03:31:00 | mrmagic52 | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader2 |
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| 03:31:35 | themadhat | im a an idiot how do i do this threw windows |
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| 03:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: I just told you how. |
| 03:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: Was there a step you were having problems with in our instructions? |
| 03:33:01 | themadhat | what dpes this mean iPod's official bootloader |
| 03:33:12 | themadhat | how do i retsore it |
| 03:33:13 | mrmagic52 | in windows follow steps 1.9-1.13 of this post but use loader2 |
| 03:33:15 | mrmagic52 | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7748 |
| 03:33:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: As in "Restore your ipod, or at least uninstall ipodlinux" |
| 03:33:36 | themadhat | r u kidding lol i just got it installed k 1 se3c |
| 03:34:16 | mrmagic52 | anyone have the natural voices?/ |
| 03:36:34 | themadhat | im uninstalling now |
| 03:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | mrmagic52: We can't redistribute those at this time |
| 03:37:17 | mrmagic52 | ahh ok |
| 03:37:35 | mrmagic52 | just liked the way those sounded |
| 03:37:54 | mrmagic52 | I'd probably end up hating all the voices anyway... could imagine they'd get annoying |
| 03:37:59 | themadhat | k |
| 03:38:03 | themadhat | its uninstalled nwo what |
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| 03:38:32 | themadhat | what is your bootloader installation process |
| 03:39:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: It's at the IpodInstallation page in our wiki. Just substitute the bootloader .bin file with the one for loader2 |
| 03:39:45 | themadhat | were do i find loader2 |
| 03:40:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know. You were the one asking how to use it. |
| 03:40:40 | themadhat | k |
| 03:40:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just telling you an install process that should work, as long as loader2 actually works on your ipod |
| 03:43:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, I don't like iTunes, but I do like the fact that they apparently stuck to their guns and force the 99 cent price point back down the throats of the recording industry. |
| 03:45:11 | themadhat | k |
| 03:45:13 | themadhat | i got loader2 |
| 03:46:47 | midkay | jesus, loader2 is SLOW. |
| 03:46:48 | midkay | just tried it. |
| 03:46:53 | midkay | awfully unusably slow. |
| 03:47:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: You're just spoiled. Plenty of people use it. By choice. Over ours. |
| 03:48:11 | midkay | i can't believe it. i mean, it takes like a second for the cursor to move after you tell it to move, half the time it DOESN'T move, and half the time it moves when you don't want it to, and half the time it moves in the opposite direction.. |
| 03:51:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, are you familiar with mounting an iPod in the vmware image? |
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| 03:54:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Not in the slightest. I disabled USB in mine because it was getting on my nerves |
| 03:55:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I also disabled the floppy drive because I don't have one, and changed something in the config because it was expecting a CD-Rom drive where there wasn't one, and not finding the one that was. |
| 03:57:16 | midkay | hm. yeah. |
| 03:57:24 | themadhat | how do i extract unmodified firmware image |
| 03:57:34 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, haha, exactly what i did, no more no less :D |
| 03:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | themadhat: Every step you need to do, and how to do it is outlined at the IpodInstallation page. |
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| 04:02:31 | themadhat | im a stupid newb lol its hard |
| 04:03:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It tells you almost exactly what to type. The only thought required on your part is trying the different Ns to figure out which drive is the iPod, and then picking the right bootloader.bin, and since you're using Loader2 even that question is removed. |
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| 04:08:59 | themadhat | k |
| 04:09:05 | themadhat | let me try again |
| 04:13:57 | themadhat | when doing this command "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" i get this error "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" |
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| 04:16:10 | themadhat | should i replace it with loader.bin |
| 04:17:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
| 04:17:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is common sense. |
| 04:17:31 | themadhat | i nm i do have the bootpartition.bin |
| 04:17:35 | themadhat | so why am i gettign that error |
| 04:17:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno, you didn't paste an error message |
| 04:18:18 | themadhat | o soory |
| 04:18:52 | themadhat | C:\rockbox>ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 04:18:52 | themadhat | 'ipod_fw' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 04:18:52 | themadhat | operable program or batch file. |
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| 04:18:52 | themadhat | C:\rockbox> |
| 04:19:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you have ipod_fw in that folder? |
| 04:20:14 | themadhat | guess no tlol |
| 04:21:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you didn't follow all the instructions, did you? |
| 04:21:43 | themadhat | sorry |
| 04:21:51 | themadhat | ok |
| 04:22:04 | themadhat | the step after this i dotn see my ipod gen listed i have a 3rd gen |
| 04:22:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Except in that step we've already established that you use Loader2 instead, right? |
| 04:22:46 | themadhat | ok |
| 04:22:51 | themadhat | let me try |
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| 04:24:35 | themadhat | let me test now |
| 04:25:38 | themadhat | i get a folder icon now is that bad or good |
| 04:25:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably bad. |
| 04:26:07 | sharpe | 'night everyone. |
| 04:26:07 | themadhat | well |
| 04:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | You merged apple_os.bin with the loader2 bin file, whatever it's named, then had it put that on your iPod. And you verified in advance that loader2 works on your ipod as I told you to earlier, right? |
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| 04:27:30 | themadhat | nope lol |
| 04:27:35 | themadhat | didnt do anyof that |
| 04:27:49 | themadhat | how do i merge the files |
| 04:28:00 | themadhat | im a newb lol sorry |
| 04:28:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's one of the steps. The one that creates rockboot.bin |
| 04:28:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Being a "newb" is not an excuse for skipping steps *or* not doing things you're told to do, I'm sorry. |
| 04:28:44 | themadhat | i folowed all the step in the tut |
| 04:28:51 | themadhat | and i have rockboot |
| 04:29:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you didn't check that loader2 works with your iPod, even though I told you to earlier. |
| 04:29:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's entirely possible it's not working now simply because it doesn't work. |
| 04:29:17 | themadhat | hwo do i check |
| 04:29:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno, I thought they had a table at their site |
| 04:29:34 | themadhat | is there a tut for a 3rd gen ipod |
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| 04:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whatever tutorial they may have |
| 04:30:30 | themadhat | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 04:31:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know why you're posting that link. |
| 04:32:30 | themadhat | doez rock box even support 3rd gen lol |
| 04:32:42 | midkay | sorry, but jesus christ.. :p |
| 04:32:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox supports 3rd gen |
| 04:33:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't play music on it though |
| 04:33:44 | themadhat | so why wouold i want it lol |
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| 04:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | You asked for it. |
| 04:36:41 | themadhat | well didnt knwo that |
| 04:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I assumed that you had perhaps actually done the requisite investigation and decided that you either wanted other features that it offered or to prepare for when it does support sound. |
| 04:38:32 | themadhat | ok |
| 04:38:37 | themadhat | sorry for waisting your time |
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| 04:41:00 | speacial_ed | ok so i see an installer for ipl on the ipl website that says it supports 5g... and can i just use it without doing anything extra? |
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| 04:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno |
| 04:41:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | We're not iPL |
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| 04:43:30 | themadhat | whats ipl |
| 04:44:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | iPodLinux] |
| 04:44:46 | themadhat | k |
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| 05:07:59 | spitphyre | can some1 gimme a hand with a 5g pod? |
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| 05:09:05 | speacial_ed | um i just tried to update to the latest bleeding edge and im getting alot of unable to extract errors |
| 05:09:19 | speacial_ed | just me? |
| 05:09:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | spitphyre: What exactly is the problem? |
| 05:09:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | speacial_ed: You're the only person who's reported that. Take it as you will |
| 05:12:35 | spitphyre | do i need to be running linux to edit pathces |
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| 05:14:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | spitphyre: That doesn't really have anything to do with the 5G iPod... but no, you can compile under windows (though if you use the VMWare method technically you're running linux inside of windows) |
| 05:15:20 | spitphyre | hmmm |
| 05:15:22 | spitphyre | ok |
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| 05:17:04 | spitphyre | is the VMWare method in the docs for rockox? |
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| 05:18:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I take it you haven't read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page? |
| 05:19:25 | spitphyre | no |
| 05:19:30 | spitphyre | just the documentatin |
| 05:19:37 | spitphyre | sorry |
| 05:19:59 | spitphyre | ill go check now |
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| 05:21:29 | spitphyre | do u mind if PM you? |
| 05:23:06 | spitphyre | ahh,...never mind go it straigtend out. thansk much |
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| 06:36:46 | Salomon | damn there's a lot of you |
| 06:37:16 | Salomon | and none active, like every other IRC channel ever |
| 06:37:24 | Presence | haha |
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| 06:38:04 | Salomon | somebody needs to port Rockbox to the M5 |
| 06:38:50 | Salomon | now that i've finally got mine working again |
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| 06:40:03 | Salomon | somebody work on M5 |
| 06:40:29 | BHSPitMonkey | you just volunteered. |
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| 06:40:48 | Salomon | haha, i know i did |
| 06:40:56 | Salomon | but i don't have time and don't know anything about programming drivers |
| 06:41:22 | Salomon | i might be able to get PCB scans, but pictures are already up there |
| 06:41:34 | Salomon | even though they are just camera photos |
| 06:42:38 | Salomon | besides, the web hosts haven't even made the M5 a wiki section yet |
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| 06:43:52 | BHSPitMonkey | the way it works, basically, is someone smart comes along who owns the player you have, and he really wants a rockbox port... so he does it. |
| 06:44:06 | BHSPitMonkey | aaaand he's gone. |
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| 06:46:40 | gotribego | quick question |
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| 06:46:58 | gotribego | in the iPod_Control folder |
| 06:47:05 | gotribego | -> Music |
| 06:47:16 | gotribego | can i just delete all the F00 and so on folders |
| 06:47:32 | gotribego | to get rid of videos and music that the stupid itunes dont recognize ? |
| 06:47:54 | midkay | those would be all the music/videos iTunes *does* recognize.. |
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| 06:48:04 | midkay | itunes put them there. |
| 06:49:15 | BHSPitMonkey | the ones that it doesn't recognize, aren't there. that's why they don't get recognized. |
| 06:49:16 | biffhero | what is an M5? |
| 06:49:25 | BHSPitMonkey | it's a model of a player |
| 06:49:29 | BHSPitMonkey | that YOU don't own. |
| 06:50:04 | biffhero | I guessed that it was a player, since he was in #rockbox. Maybe I _do_ own one. How do you know? Have you been talking to my wife? |
| 06:50:51 | gotribego | midkay |
| 06:50:56 | gotribego | when i disconnect the ipod |
| 06:51:03 | gotribego | and load the original firmware |
| 06:51:03 | BHSPitMonkey | biffhero: we've been doing more than talking. |
| 06:51:14 | gotribego | the ipod doesnt "recognize" ANY of the songs that are in the music folder |
| 06:51:20 | gotribego | i go to settings> about |
| 06:51:21 | BHSPitMonkey | gotribego: the program foobar can go through and fix them. |
| 06:51:26 | midkay | they have to be loaded from iTunes... |
| 06:51:28 | gotribego | and it shows 0 songs, 0 artists, 0 videos etc |
| 06:51:36 | gotribego | when i open up itunes, there are 0 items |
| 06:51:48 | BHSPitMonkey | gotribego: did you just drag those songs into those folders?? |
| 06:52:00 | gotribego | but when i go look in the actual ipod , the music folder is taking up 20 gigs of space |
| 06:52:06 | gotribego | nope, BHS |
| 06:52:19 | BHSPitMonkey | you added them in itunes? |
| 06:52:23 | gotribego | yep |
| 06:52:33 | gotribego | itunes is starting to piss meo ff even more |
| 06:53:20 | BHSPitMonkey | I really feel like you're doing *something* wrong |
| 06:53:39 | gotribego | i honestly dont think the fault is on my end. either the ipod or itunes is fucking up |
| 06:53:54 | gotribego | i just went ahead and delted the music folder altogether |
| 06:54:04 | gotribego | tried adding 5 new songs via itunes, and everything is ok now |
| 06:54:05 | gotribego | but wtf |
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| 07:06:09 | psii | is this correct c syntax for a pointer to 10 function pointers returning an int and taking 1 int parameter?: int ((*a)[10])(int); |
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| 07:07:42 | Mikachu | psii: http://www.newty.de/fpt/fpt.html#arrays |
| 07:12:21 | psii | thank you Mikachu |
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| 07:29:34 | biffhero | <BHSPitMonkey> biffhero: we've been doing more than talking. <<< maybe that explains why _all_ we do is talking. ick. |
| 07:29:44 | BHSPitMonkey | hahaha |
| 07:29:49 | BHSPitMonkey | nice |
| 07:29:51 | BHSPitMonkey | night |
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| 08:14:20 | scorche | os? |
| 08:14:23 | scorche | errr... |
| 08:14:29 | scorche | wow i am good |
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| 08:17:12 | Milenco`laptop | I'm wondering about Rockbox. Could I install Rockbox on my iPod 5G and still use the original apple ipod skin, with the use of album-art and lyrics? There are a few things bothering me about the iPod, mainly the the iTunes thing, which doesn't allow me to drop music on my iPod like a mass storage device. |
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| 08:17:25 | Milenco`laptop | And does Rockbox supports compilations like iTunes? |
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| 08:19:34 | B4gder | rockbox supports browsing by tags, yes |
| 08:19:49 | crashd | that's not what he's asking B4gder |
| 08:19:58 | crashd | at least, i dont think so O.o |
| 08:20:05 | B4gder | so what is a "compilation like iTunes" ? |
| 08:20:18 | crashd | i guess it's a VA cd |
| 08:20:40 | crashd | Milenco: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 08:20:52 | crashd | is a few of the 'skins' available for rockbox, there is one that closely resembles the apple os |
| 08:21:12 | Galois | without cover art though |
| 08:21:33 | crashd | it wouldn't take much to add cover art to that skin tho |
| 08:21:38 | crashd | and make a build with AA |
| 08:21:43 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:21:46 | Milenco`laptop | Thanks, I saw some of those skins already. I would really like to use the Apple skin, since i'm so used to it already |
| 08:21:50 | bleaked | Milenco`laptop. otherwise, if you run *nix, amarok 1.4 has support for ipods, and will properly upload files and write to the itunesdb.. |
| 08:22:26 | Galois | I think we all agree here that usb mass storage is way more convenient than uploading music via the itunes db |
| 08:22:27 | bleaked | you can even drag files off of the ipod onto your hard drive. |
| 08:22:48 | bleaked | agreed, but it's an option. |
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| 08:23:05 | Milenco`laptop | Running Windows here, so i think amarok isn't really an option for me. |
| 08:23:21 | crashd | Milenco`laptop: anapod explorer is the best app for windows for managing ipods, off the topic |
| 08:23:22 | bleaked | yea, i guess not then. |
| 08:23:24 | crashd | but |
| 08:23:24 | dj-fu | ahhhh! the W word |
| 08:23:32 | crashd | as we're concerned with the ol' rockbox |
| 08:24:22 | Milenco`laptop | I'm just asking myself if i'll make the right decision moving over to rockbox. There are a lot of things i like about the 'standard' ipod, like album art, lyrics, compilations, those things. But on the other hand, i rather have my ipod as an mass storage device, and have the option to change the interface slightly. |
| 08:24:47 | dj-fu | album art is kinda working (with a patch) |
| 08:24:51 | dj-fu | I've seen screenies |
| 08:24:57 | dj-fu | crossfeed is a bonus :] |
| 08:25:01 | crashd | well, as we've said, rockbox supports both album art (if you can be botehred to make your own build, isnt in cvs atm), and 'compilations' via tag-cache |
| 08:25:03 | B4gder | Milenco`laptop: you can always just revert back if you don't like Rockbox |
| 08:25:11 | crashd | or, just browsing to the folder/m3u |
| 08:25:12 | B4gder | it won't hurt you |
| 08:25:37 | Milenco`laptop | I just did some research on that. It is working, but only with seperate .bmp files, right? No support for album art in ID3 tags yet? |
| 08:26:00 | B4gder | correctomente |
| 08:26:16 | Galois | putting pictures in id3 tags is so abusive it boggles the mind |
| 08:26:18 | Milenco`laptop | I know B4gder, but due to curcumstances i don't really have all my stuff here (and time), since i'm backpacking through australia ;) |
| 08:26:30 | bleaked | my current problem with the handling of music by rockbox is that one views the music as raw directories. but then i discovered tagcache..which is exactly what i needed..but then i soon realised that this thing doesn't automatically update itself, and when i do run an update, not only do i have to cycle power on the device, but it generally only finds 1/3 of the music that is stored on the drive. so it's frustrating. |
| 08:26:35 | Milenco`laptop | Why is that Galois? |
| 08:26:49 | crashd | bleaked: this is why rockbox is in development |
| 08:26:52 | Galois | id3, technically, already breaks the ISO standard |
| 08:26:57 | LinusN | bleaked: afaik, it is supposed to update itself |
| 08:27:05 | crashd | and if it's a bug, get reporting it |
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| 08:27:26 | Milenco`laptop | But still its a lot easier to store song information, since it's stored in the mp3 itself. |
| 08:28:19 | bleaked | well, before i report it, i want to make sure i'm not doing anything wrong |
| 08:28:26 | Milenco`laptop | Allthough i wouldn't really have a problem with making seperate files with the album art. How about lyrics? Are they supported, as in, reading them from the ID3 tag? |
| 08:28:39 | Galois | well, this conversation won't get far with me, because I think mp3 is an abomination too |
| 08:28:47 | B4gder | Milenco`laptop: that's another patch required for that |
| 08:28:55 | bleaked | and i didn't mean that problem to come off as a complaint or anything, i fully understand it's in development. :D |
| 08:29:36 | Milenco`laptop | I don't mind patching B4gder, as long as it works. ;) Its prolly easier to patch rockbox then to change 5000 mp3's. :) |
| 08:30:09 | B4gder | then you'll like Rockbox - we have many patches floating around! ;-) |
| 08:30:21 | bleaked | Milenco`laptop. yea, lyrics in id3 tags is so uncommon, it might be a while before that's supported. i think for a lot of rockbox users, the ability to play free formats is really the deal maker. |
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| 08:31:09 | B4gder | and I would say that mp3 is the most important format for Rockbox |
| 08:31:25 | Milenco`laptop | What do you mean by " the ability to play free formats" bleaked? |
| 08:31:32 | crashd | Milenco`laptop: ogg/flac playback |
| 08:31:42 | Milenco`laptop | Ah. :) |
| 08:34:56 | bleaked | it's truly a godsend, especially when one unexpectedly receives, let's say, and ipod as a gift, and 90% of their music is in ogg, and now suddenly they can actually use their library instead of re/transcoding into mp3, or just not using that music like i had to do for a long while. |
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| 08:56:48 | bernych | Hi folks, I've a problem! |
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| 08:57:27 | * | LinusN is waiting for the question |
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| 08:58:14 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 08:58:33 | bernych | I was trying to do a dual boot bootloader for the X5 and I putted the rockbox firmware in the flash after 2M, now the original iaudio fw has completed scrabled fonts adn it's very unstable! |
| 08:59:15 | bernych | Can someone dump the entire flash memory (or at least the last 2M)? |
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| 09:00:29 | LinusN | bernych: reading between the lines, your question is: "where is a safe place in flash to put the rockbox bootloader?" |
| 09:00:32 | amiconn | Rockbox does have a 'Dump ROM contents' in the debug menu |
| 09:00:59 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you adjust the ROM size for X5 in this function? |
| 09:01:35 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 09:02:00 | amiconn | What's the X5 ROM size? Is it also located at address zero? |
| 09:02:44 | LinusN | bernych: the x5 firmware uses roughly 2.3mbytes |
| 09:02:46 | amiconn | Nm, it *is* adjusted |
| 09:02:59 | bernych | THe problem is that now I lost the original flash content over 2M, which seems to be used by cowon fw! |
| 09:03:19 | LinusN | then move the bootloader |
| 09:04:00 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 09:04:11 | LinusN | i guess i'm wrong there |
| 09:04:50 | bernych | my original fw uses about 1.6M |
| 09:05:28 | bernych | in my opinon cowon fonts were stored starting from 2M, and now I lost them |
| 09:06:08 | LinusN | looks like most of the flash is used |
| 09:07:03 | crashd | could get rb to chainload like it does for the ipod? |
| 09:07:09 | bernych | LinusN: Can you dump all your flash memory in a file please, so that I can restore it? |
| 09:14:30 | LinusN | crashd: the x5 firmware is designed to run from flash |
| 09:15:34 | LinusN | bernych: i /msg'd you |
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| 09:18:11 | bernych | LinusN: I'm not used to IRC, what I should do to get your msg? |
| 09:18:33 | Zendefera | hey guys, I had a question, I can't find it on the site any more, but wasn't there a list of features that the ipod supported? |
| 09:18:54 | LinusN | bernych: it depends on the irc client |
| 09:19:55 | bernych | LinusN: I use the one from the rockbox site |
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| 09:21:23 | petur | then click on 'LinusN' that you see to the right of '#rockbox' above the chat window |
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| 09:24:22 | preglow | LinusN: we don't currently use any of the interrupts on the second coldfire interrupt controller, do we? |
| 09:24:45 | LinusN | no |
| 09:24:53 | preglow | i'm having some trouble enabling some, it seems |
| 09:25:33 | preglow | i've modified the corresponding values in both INTTERUPTEN and INTPTRI registers, any more you know of that would be needed? |
| 09:27:53 | LinusN | intbase |
| 09:28:26 | RedBreva | LinusN: Morning... What should I list as minimum Rockbox for iPod WPS's... 2.5 or 3.0? ( http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_320x240x16.html ) |
| 09:28:55 | petur | there's no 2.5 for ipods |
| 09:29:07 | B4gder | RedBreva: neither 2.5 nor the upcoming 3.0 are for ipods |
| 09:29:14 | RedBreva | Exactly... and there is no 3 yet |
| 09:29:23 | B4gder | the min release would be a date I guess |
| 09:29:36 | RedBreva | but what is the version of RB that will allow these WPS to work... |
| 09:29:36 | B4gder | daily build date: xxxxx |
| 09:29:42 | midkay | RedBreva, nice! i'd say 3.. |
| 09:29:48 | midkay | since that's when all these tags were / will be introduced.. |
| 09:29:51 | Milenco`laptop | Is there somewhere I can see a demo of Rockbox? To see how it works, the interface and all? |
| 09:29:55 | midkay | the first time they'll all be supported. |
| 09:30:15 | B4gder | but still, Rockbox 3.0 won't be for ipods |
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| 09:30:24 | B4gder | so it would be a bit confusing anyway |
| 09:30:33 | B4gder | Milenco`laptop: I don't think so |
| 09:30:34 | midkay | yeah.. |
| 09:30:34 | preglow | LinusN: looks to me like it should be set to 63, then |
| 09:30:46 | midkay | maybe just like Post-3.0 Daily Build.. |
| 09:30:48 | RedBreva | How about Feb 2006 Dailys onwards (That's when iPods got sound) |
| 09:31:10 | B4gder | RedBreva: but we've added wps tags since |
| 09:31:15 | midkay | RedBreva, even after that is when a lot of tags were introduced (devcon 2006 is when the date should be I think). |
| 09:31:18 | Milenco`laptop | Too bad, would be easier to just install it i guess. :) |
| 09:31:23 | midkay | that's when RTC support was added and that's the most recent addition i can think of. |
| 09:31:36 | B4gder | Milenco`laptop: feel free to make such a demo when you've installed it! ;-) |
| 09:31:49 | midkay | and quite an important addition (requirement) since many WPS' use RTC in the wps.. |
| 09:31:53 | Milenco`laptop | Whehe, I will if I decide to do so! :) |
| 09:32:03 | RedBreva | So April 2006+ ?? |
| 09:32:15 | midkay | sounds good to me |
| 09:32:23 | LinusN | preglow: no, 48 |
| 09:32:29 | B4gder | RedBreva: thing is that you can probably not just guess and get a good date |
| 09:32:47 | B4gder | so I say set a big '?' if you don't know |
| 09:32:59 | B4gder | and leave it to users to tell |
| 09:33:13 | LinusN | preglow: i placed the secondary interrupts starting at 48 in the vector table |
| 09:33:20 | LinusN | (system.c) |
| 09:33:27 | preglow | LinusN: right, the first 16 entriees in system.c are exceptions? |
| 09:33:36 | midkay | no need to be specific, nobody should be using a build older than like a week, let alone like over a month :) |
| 09:33:42 | midkay | no need to be too specific* |
| 09:33:52 | B4gder | I think it should be as specific as possible |
| 09:34:05 | midkay | april 2006+ sounds plenty specific to me |
| 09:34:11 | RedBreva | How about the date the WPS was added to the Wiki? |
| 09:34:24 | midkay | 2006-03-17: The Rockbox International Developers Conference 2006. |
| 09:34:26 | midkay | ^ date. |
| 09:34:26 | midkay | :) |
| 09:34:42 | LinusN | preglow: wait |
| 09:34:48 | B4gder | RedBreva: i guess you know that the dl links are wrong on the 5g video page? |
| 09:34:56 | midkay | RTC support was added then; nothing since, or nothing very noteworthy. |
| 09:35:48 | RedBreva | sure, I haven't done the actual links yet - still getting Look'n'Feel sorted... I will link to the files once I have actually tested that they work ;-) |
| 09:35:58 | LinusN | preglow: i was wrong, they start at 64 |
| 09:35:59 | B4gder | :-) |
| 09:36:42 | midkay | you guys working on downloadable addons and stuff? |
| 09:37:05 | preglow | LinusN: so 63 it is, then |
| 09:37:11 | LinusN | no |
| 09:37:27 | preglow | okiedoke |
| 09:37:27 | preglow | haha |
| 09:37:29 | LinusN | 64 |
| 09:37:36 | preglow | i can't be bothered to count again, so i'll just try that |
| 09:37:46 | B4gder | midkay: I'm not sure what you're asking, but RedBreva is working on a site for Rockbox themes |
| 09:37:59 | LinusN | preglow: PDIR1FULL is vector 64 |
| 09:38:25 | midkay | B4gder, looks like a lovely tie-in with 3.0 and hopefully light/full download packages.. |
| 09:38:32 | preglow | LinusN: yes, i counted again and you're right |
| 09:38:48 | preglow | i'll just stuff the INTBASE assignment in system.c |
| 09:39:57 | LinusN | do so |
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| 09:42:41 | preglow | iriver just shuts down recording when you disconnect spdif, so i think i'll do the same, just in case it's covering over a bug |
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| 09:43:50 | preglow | at least i can't explain why the hell dma randomly stops if you do it enough times |
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| 09:47:19 | RedBreva | BTW, audio playback in SDL sim, is it still 'broken' or is it my setup that's at fault? |
| 09:47:40 | preglow | works here |
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| 09:48:22 | RedBreva | I only get 2 or 3 seconds of audio and then a 3 second pause etc... |
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| 09:49:16 | Zendefera | has there been any talk as to when rockbox will support video playback on the ipod videos? |
| 09:49:45 | preglow | no |
| 09:49:57 | preglow | there doesn't need to be any talking about it either |
| 09:49:59 | crashd | heh |
| 09:50:01 | preglow | someone just needs to come and do it |
| 09:50:09 | preglow | which anyone are welcome to |
| 09:50:14 | crashd | well, there is two options really |
| 09:50:20 | crashd | both of which need to just get done, as preglow says |
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| 09:51:06 | Zendefera | what type of hardware knowledge does one need to have to code for lets say rockbox on a ipod? |
| 09:51:31 | crashd | Zendefera: depends, the rb api is an abstract, so hardware knowledge isnt a must |
| 09:51:41 | crashd | but for doing video, it'd be good to know a little, if not a lot more |
| 09:51:54 | preglow | to code video you'd need to be quite good at optimising |
| 09:52:00 | preglow | so knowledge about arm would be good |
| 09:52:01 | Zendefera | right, I am not sure, but would it be like workong on an inbeded device? |
| 09:52:09 | markun | Zendefera: if you want to use the ARM for video decoding (which is only 75MHz) you don't need to know much about the hardware, but if you want to use the DSP you do. |
| 09:52:26 | preglow | what dsp? |
| 09:52:27 | markun | Zendefera: 2x75MHz |
| 09:52:39 | preglow | he broadcom? we haven't even got tools for that |
| 09:52:44 | markun | preglow: the broadcom chip |
| 09:52:52 | crashd | it is an option, it's just that no one has gotten to the bottom of it yet ;) |
| 09:53:05 | markun | preglow: I know, so you need a lot of knowledge :) |
| 09:53:19 | Zendefera | hmm. |
| 09:53:31 | Zendefera | well I think building video support is out of my grasp right now. |
| 09:53:36 | Zendefera | is rb written in c? |
| 09:53:42 | scott666 | will rockbox (theoretically, of course) be able to support regular .avi files, or will they have to be some custom format? |
| 09:53:54 | markun | preglow: btw, I was looking at the Kenwood players which are similar to the Gigabeats, but I think the userbase is even smaller.. |
| 09:54:05 | LinusN | scott666: .avi is a container format |
| 09:54:33 | scott666 | xvid then |
| 09:54:38 | crashd | there's no reason why rockbox can't load any given file, it's hardware constraints, and usefullness that is the factor |
| 09:54:42 | Zendefera | how can I get the latest cvs src for rb? |
| 09:54:48 | crashd | it could load DXF files, but what's the point? O.o |
| 09:55:05 | scott666 | Zendefera: download a tarball? |
| 09:55:11 | markun | Zendefera: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 09:55:17 | LinusN | Zendefera: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 09:55:18 | Zendefera | thanks. |
| 09:55:18 | preglow | markun: why? gigabeat port not keeping you entertained? :) |
| 09:55:21 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:55:23 | scott666 | or CVS |
| 09:55:27 | scott666 | either way.. |
| 09:55:29 | scott666 | heh |
| 09:55:31 | Zendefera | cvs :) |
| 09:55:54 | markun | preglow: for now it does :) |
| 09:56:21 | markun | preglow: I'm so glad I'm not on my own anymore. Shonky it such a great help. |
| 09:56:30 | preglow | oh, so you've got help |
| 09:56:31 | preglow | that's great |
| 09:56:44 | preglow | we looking at something functional soon? |
| 09:57:16 | markun | We are telnetting into a gigabeat in australia to run little tests we put in kernel moduels to play with the hardware :) |
| 09:57:27 | preglow | hahaha |
| 09:57:59 | preglow | btw, who's the fat.c guru around here, btw? |
| 09:58:00 | markun | After that I need to look at the crt0.S of which I know very little. To do memory remapping. |
| 09:58:02 | preglow | btw, btw, btw |
| 09:58:23 | preglow | crt0.S needs to be split up one of these days... |
| 09:58:40 | LinusN | preglow: i know some of fat.c |
| 09:58:54 | preglow | LinusN: then would you know why the disk label would vanish when deleting a directory? |
| 09:58:59 | markun | preglow: yes, at least for the different CPU architectures. |
| 09:59:06 | LinusN | preglow: it does? wow! |
| 09:59:20 | preglow | LinusN: it did for me, Mikachu also had his disk label vanish, so i guess this is a bona-fide bug |
| 09:59:38 | preglow | LinusN: i don't think he knows how it happened, but i'm fairly certain it was a delete directory that did it for me |
| 09:59:52 | LinusN | my guess is that it only happens when you delete a dir in the root, right? |
| 09:59:58 | preglow | yup, this was in the root |
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| 10:03:04 | LinusN | iirc, the volume id is a regular directory entry, with the VOLUME_ID attribute |
| 10:03:22 | petur | it is |
| 10:03:35 | LinusN | i guess a bug report is in order |
| 10:03:52 | LinusN | shouldn't be hard to nail that sucker |
| 10:04:30 | preglow | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5217 :> |
| 10:04:50 | LinusN | ah good |
| 10:05:07 | petur | LinusN: I managed to record voice output this weekend, so full duplex on iriver already works just like that |
| 10:05:28 | preglow | like i said, i'm not certain the delete directory did it, but i can't remember any other file operations i did on my iriver in the interval in question |
| 10:05:31 | LinusN | goodie |
| 10:05:43 | preglow | petur: hooray! |
| 10:05:49 | preglow | that is good news |
| 10:06:53 | scott666 | is there a way for rockbox to enable the scroll wheel click? |
| 10:07:03 | preglow | i've got a patch for it |
| 10:08:02 | scott666 | ok, cool |
| 10:08:10 | preglow | and btw, anyone know how i relabel this sucker from linux? :) |
| 10:08:54 | preglow | scott666: it'll be put in eventually, it just needs a bit more work |
| 10:09:11 | linuxstb | preglow: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/01/editing-fat32-partition-labels-using-mtools/ |
| 10:09:20 | scott666 | yeah, i figured that much. i dont really even want it on, just wondering about the status of it |
| 10:10:03 | preglow | linuxstb: thanks |
| 10:10:33 | scott666 | i tried registering an account on the flyspray page and when i click 'send code' i just get a blank page. |
| 10:10:51 | preglow | how nice |
| 10:11:11 | scott666 | tried it a few times, from FF and IE and got the same thing every time |
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| 10:11:58 | preglow | the only stupid thing with rockbox piezo is that we can't make the short clicks retailos does |
| 10:12:20 | preglow | ours are slightly longer, but still not too annoying, if you ask me |
| 10:12:29 | linuxstb | What's the problem? |
| 10:12:33 | preglow | tick timer accuracy |
| 10:13:03 | preglow | retailos seems to enable it for a very short time |
| 10:13:17 | scott666 | cant we do that? |
| 10:13:27 | preglow | then we'd have to block in the piezo handler |
| 10:13:40 | petur | can't we do it via I/O ourselves then? |
| 10:13:56 | preglow | petur: the piezo drivers works by just setting a freq value |
| 10:14:10 | preglow | petur: unless we block for say 1ms, we can't disable it until the next tick |
| 10:14:51 | scott666 | theres no way to get any other kind of noise out of it is there? |
| 10:15:13 | preglow | what kind of noise? |
| 10:15:16 | preglow | it's a simple pulse wave generator |
| 10:15:18 | scott666 | (im not really even sure what i mean by that) |
| 10:15:25 | preglow | you can set pulse width (afaik) and pulse period |
| 10:15:26 | petur | effectbox :) |
| 10:15:43 | preglow | sure, we can play one voice chip tunes in it |
| 10:15:43 | preglow | heh |
| 10:15:47 | preglow | but i haven't tried |
| 10:15:55 | scott666 | anything that can add to rockbox wow-factor |
| 10:15:58 | scott666 | like doom |
| 10:16:19 | preglow | a nice three note arpeggio with pulse width sweep would sound cool... |
| 10:16:29 | scott666 | stuff that can cover up major bugs like not being able to play mp3s with the EQ on without skipping |
| 10:16:30 | scott666 | heh |
| 10:16:33 | petur | they used to play WAV files throught the PC speaker, and it has a similar interface... |
| 10:16:44 | preglow | petur: you have more direct control of that, afaik |
| 10:17:15 | scott666 | preglow: that would definitely be sweet |
| 10:17:28 | preglow | if we figure out how to flip the output value of the piezo at will, then we can output pcm through it as well |
| 10:17:35 | scott666 | until it got annoyig, anyway |
| 10:18:25 | preglow | that'd happen pretty much immediately if you trigger it by scrollwheel, heh |
| 10:18:25 | petur | it could be used for metronome output when recording :) |
| 10:18:33 | preglow | petur: hahaha, indeed |
| 10:18:59 | scott666 | ipods can record now? |
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| 10:19:29 | scott666 | or just recording in the general, non-rockbox sense? |
| 10:20:16 | linuxstb | scott666: There is no recording on ipods yet, but there will be. |
| 10:20:38 | scott666 | through what? |
| 10:21:01 | linuxstb | Through the headphone socket (mono only) and hopefully through the line-in in the dock connector. |
| 10:21:35 | scott666 | ah, right, the dock |
| 10:21:45 | scott666 | youd need some accessory to use it then? |
| 10:22:02 | linuxstb | Not really an accessory, just a cable. |
| 10:22:15 | Zendefera | hey does rb give you the clicking sound as you are moving through menus and stuff? like the apple ipd fm does? |
| 10:22:23 | RoC_MM | to use the headphone socket you imply need a mic that ends in a mini connector |
| 10:22:23 | Zendefera | fm = fw |
| 10:22:50 | RoC_MM | you can in fact use a set of headphones as a cheap microphone, if it's plugged into the mic in (on a soundcard) or the headphone jack on an ipod |
| 10:23:02 | scott666 | ive done that |
| 10:23:15 | RoC_MM | and by cheap, I mean really cheap |
| 10:23:27 | scott666 | (not on purpose−−i mixed up the wires on a cheap headset) |
| 10:23:44 | Zendefera | haha, and at times you can play audio through a mic :) |
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| 10:25:09 | scorche | hmmm....that reminds me....i heard beeping through the archos recorder mic once |
| 10:26:06 | RoC_MM | Zendefera, it's call the piezo...and rockbox does not yet support that either by design or quite yet... |
| 10:26:25 | RoC_MM | But you get used to the silence in a few minutes anyway |
| 10:26:38 | preglow | RoC_MM, Zendefera: we just discussed it... read the last fifteen minutes of the log |
| 10:26:52 | RoC_MM | Oh awesome |
| 10:26:53 | Mikachu | preglow, LinusN: i also tried to delete a dir in / iirc |
| 10:26:57 | RoC_MM | I'll have to go off and read the log |
| 10:27:00 | RoC_MM | [goes off] |
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| 10:29:56 | scott666 | is there a way to play doom with the original music (midis) |
| 10:30:26 | scott666 | that game had sweet music |
| 10:30:27 | scott666 | heh |
| 10:30:42 | linuxstb | No. The person who ported Doom is also working on the Rockbox midi player. But it's a tough task to get them both running fast enough at the same time. |
| 10:30:50 | RoC_MM | I see so the piezo story is "Developing" but not "yet". |
| 10:31:09 | linuxstb | It could be done on the ipods though if we use the second CPU for midi playback. |
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| 10:31:15 | RoC_MM | Which is somehow basically what I said I think. |
| 10:31:23 | RoC_MM | But thanks for the point out preglow |
| 10:31:25 | scott666 | whats the story on the second cpu? |
| 10:31:43 | scott666 | (ive got a 5G ipod, so thats mostly what im interested in) |
| 10:31:59 | linuxstb | Are you talking about the Broadcom chip? |
| 10:32:09 | RoC_MM | (video decoder chip) |
| 10:32:36 | scott666 | were you talking about the Broadcom chip when you refered to the second cpu? |
| 10:32:39 | linuxstb | All ipods have two CPUs in the PortalPlayer chip. The 5g also has the Broadcom video chip. |
| 10:32:46 | scott666 | if so: yes |
| 10:32:46 | linuxstb | I was talking about the PP chip. |
| 10:33:09 | scott666 | ah |
| 10:33:15 | scott666 | which can we use so far? |
| 10:33:57 | linuxstb | We can in theory use both CPUs in the portalplayer chip (we know enough to do it), but at the moment we only use one. I don't think anyone in Rockbox has looked at the Broadcom chip at all. |
| 10:34:59 | scott666 | why are we only using one? just to avoid the complexity of threads and whatnot? |
| 10:35:23 | RoC_MM | to keep the awesomeness high. |
| 10:35:27 | linuxstb | Yes, because it's simpler to just use one. |
| 10:36:36 | scott666 | RoC_MM: awesomeness would be using all 3 at once |
| 10:37:07 | petur | it would also be sucking battery :P |
| 10:37:07 | linuxstb | Yes, for about 30 minutes until the battery runs out... |
| 10:37:34 | preglow | if we'll ever be using the broadcom chip, i'm pretty sure it'll be uploading apple's own binaries |
| 10:37:39 | scott666 | thats what hte power adapter is for |
| 10:37:41 | scott666 | heh |
| 10:37:57 | preglow | anything else would mean investing a huge amount of time in reverse-engineering with little benefit |
| 10:38:07 | preglow | and yes, video decoding is little benefit ;) |
| 10:38:29 | scott666 | will it be possible to decode video without it? just slower? |
| 10:38:43 | preglow | possible, yes, very hard, yes |
| 10:38:45 | RoC_MM | points out that rockbox is a music player |
| 10:38:45 | linuxstb | We could run the Rockbox UI on the broadcom chip - as it's in charge of the LCD... |
| 10:39:54 | scott666 | but thats not likely to be happening any time soon? |
| 10:40:11 | linuxstb | Very unlikely to ever happen IMO. |
| 10:41:01 | scott666 | pity |
| 10:41:13 | linuxstb | The 5g's only one of about 18 targets Rockbox runs on... |
| 10:41:35 | RoC_MM | 2 new ones added just recently I think |
| 10:41:37 | scott666 | its also the only one you can buy new at retail stores (AFAIK) |
| 10:41:39 | linuxstb | The IPL people have a lot more interest in it than we do. |
| 10:41:54 | RoC_MM | one or both of the Mini iPod target's are new |
| 10:42:02 | linuxstb | scott666: There's the Nano, iaudio X5 and (hopefully soon) the Toshiba Gigabeats. |
| 10:42:40 | linuxstb | And at some point they will be replaced by Apple with new ipods, probably without the Broadcom chip. |
| 10:42:59 | scott666 | ah yeah, nano too. i dont think ive seen the others in stores, but maybe thats because i dont know what they look like |
| 10:44:20 | Kohlrabi | if Apple goes the iRiver way they'll dump features in favor of eye-candy and conservatism |
| 10:44:32 | linuxstb | Haven't they already? |
| 10:44:32 | Kohlrabi | Like they did I think with firewire-support :) |
| 10:44:40 | Kohlrabi | Yeah, I dunno |
| 10:44:56 | Kohlrabi | Well, actually Apple is the spearhead, right you are :) |
| 10:45:21 | Zendefera | hey does rb give you the clicking sound as you are moving through menus and stuff? like the apple ipd firmware does? |
| 10:45:22 | scott666 | i /really/ dont like how the iriver h10 looks |
| 10:45:41 | Kohlrabi | a friend of mine found it good and stuff |
| 10:45:47 | Zendefera | jesus, rockbos cvs is large :P I guess it doesn't help me any that I did a cvs checkout of all :) |
| 10:45:49 | scott666 | Zendefera: scroll up |
| 10:45:53 | Kohlrabi | until aI told him about dumped vorbis-support |
| 10:45:54 | linuxstb | Zendefera: The official version of Rockbox doesn't, but there's a patch on patch tracker which implements it. |
| 10:46:10 | Zendefera | linuxstb cool. |
| 10:46:14 | markun | linuxstb: In june the Gigabeat S will be in stores so maybe they stopped the production of the F and X series already :( |
| 10:46:16 | linuxstb | Zendefera: But only via the piezo, not via the headphones. |
| 10:46:24 | linuxstb | markun: Then you don't have long... |
| 10:46:41 | Kohlrabi | Is the voice support for menus functional for iPod targets |
| 10:46:47 | Kohlrabi | you could use that then, maybe |
| 10:46:55 | Zendefera | linuxstd shoudn't be to hard to mod for headphones |
| 10:47:12 | linuxstb | Why do you think that? It's completely different. |
| 10:47:14 | Zendefera | I hope so, because I am blind, and I need speech output |
| 10:47:14 | Kohlrabi | if* |
| 10:48:01 | Zendefera | linuxstd well maybe I am thinking of it wrong, but the code for following your movements is already implement, just a matter of rewriting the output source? |
| 10:50:18 | scott666 | argh, i need to sleep |
| 10:50:31 | scott666 | its almost 4am here :-/ |
| 10:50:34 | linuxstb | Yes, but "just rewriting the output source" means mixing the beeps with your music. I don't know how difficult that would be, but it's not as simple as the piezo output. |
| 10:52:07 | RoC_MM | I'm sure there will be plenty of people complaining that's it's just "just so" as they want it once it is implemented anyway,. |
| 10:52:46 | RoC_MM | *that it's not |
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| 10:53:20 | Zendefera | linuxstd I never thought of that, hmm, point taken :) |
| 10:53:47 | RoC_MM | Everything is more complicated in real life. |
| 10:54:05 | Zendefera | :), aint that the truth. |
| 10:54:28 | preglow | linuxstb: we've already got a beep routine that mixes with music |
| 10:54:35 | Zendefera | now anyone have any experience using rb's talking features? |
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| 10:54:45 | linuxstb | Is the latency low enough to use for keyboard feedback? |
| 10:56:46 | preglow | linuxstb: should be, it's already used for track skips |
| 10:57:04 | preglow | don't know about clickwheel usage, though |
| 10:57:09 | preglow | the latency needs to be pretty good |
| 10:57:20 | preglow | as in almost instantaneous |
| 10:57:57 | Zendefera | when rb is playing, can you browse for another thing to play? |
| 10:58:33 | Kohlrabi | with voice enabled? |
| 10:58:35 | Kohlrabi | you mean? |
| 10:59:04 | preglow | libfaad still has insane dependencies, i see |
| 10:59:30 | Zendefera | kohl yeah |
| 10:59:32 | petur | Zendefera: voice is mixed into the music |
| 10:59:44 | Zendefera | ok, that is good. |
| 10:59:54 | linuxstb | Looking at pcmbuf.c, it looks like pcmbuf_beep() inserts the beep at the start of the next PCM chunk. So just one beep per chunk seems possible. |
| 11:00 |
| 11:01:07 | petur | Zendefera: for folders you can have it spell them or create clips to play, files are spelled only (unless I'm mistaken) |
| 11:01:46 | Kohlrabi | I think you can have clips for files, too |
| 11:01:54 | Kohlrabi | I'm 80% sure ;) |
| 11:02:12 | preglow | LinusN: what interrupt priority should i use? |
| 11:02:27 | preglow | linuxstb: how long is one chunk? |
| 11:02:57 | LinusN | preglow: that depends on how important the intterupt is |
| 11:03:14 | LinusN | i think the tick is on level 3 and the dma on 7 |
| 11:03:18 | LinusN | iirc |
| 11:03:32 | linuxstb | preglow: I think it's 32KB. |
| 11:03:34 | preglow | it's just for interrupting playback when spdif is unplugged or corrupted |
| 11:03:54 | preglow | linuxstb: then i think we might need finer granularity than that for clickwheel feedback |
| 11:04:01 | linuxstb | Me too. |
| 11:04:03 | LinusN | preglow: then just pick one |
| 11:04:12 | preglow | i picked seven, heh |
| 11:04:27 | preglow | i locks up when the int fires |
| 11:04:30 | preglow | i probably don't ack right |
| 11:05:32 | Kohlrabi | Zendefera: look http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindFAQ#How_do_I_let_Rockbox_speak_direc and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto |
| 11:05:36 | LinusN | preglow: probably |
| 11:05:48 | LinusN | preglow: stay away from seven, it is unmaskable |
| 11:07:04 | preglow | is it now |
| 11:07:07 | amiconn | petur, Zendefera: For both folders and files, it's possible to (1) spell them, (2) have them announced by number and filetype, (3) have clips to announce them |
| 11:07:33 | * | petur was mistaken |
| 11:08:24 | petur | amiconn: is voice working better now btw? I haven't had a single freeze since this weekend |
| 11:08:45 | amiconn | I didn't check voice on swcodec recently |
| 11:09:06 | amiconn | (recently == last 4 days or so) |
| 11:09:23 | amiconn | Your init swap seems to work fine on hwcodec |
| 11:09:39 | * | amiconn chose his recorder today |
| 11:09:47 | preglow | btw, has any done the langv2 button name fixing yet? |
| 11:10:23 | Bg3r | preglow i started, but no time at all for rb atm :( |
| 11:12:00 | B4gder | http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/ |
| 11:12:04 | B4gder | updated image |
| 11:12:07 | amiconn | langv2 rework needs to be done before release... |
| 11:13:19 | Bg3r | yes... |
| 11:13:45 | Kohlrabi | what's VMware player exactly? |
| 11:13:59 | B4gder | Kohlrabi: a limited vmware installation |
| 11:14:04 | Kohlrabi | ah |
| 11:14:10 | Kohlrabi | is it free of charge? |
| 11:14:10 | B4gder | but fully functional |
| 11:14:12 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:14:20 | Kohlrabi | nice :) |
| 11:14:23 | Kohlrabi | thx |
| 11:14:59 | linuxstb | Is that free player available for Linux? |
| 11:15:12 | Kohlrabi | yep |
| 11:15:26 | Kohlrabi | just brwosing through VM's site |
| 11:16:08 | linuxstb | Last time I tried vmware, my Windows installation CD complained I wasn't using a Dell PC... |
| 11:16:46 | Zendefera | bbl |
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| 11:18:56 | RoC_MM | VMPlayer is available free of charge from their site, for Linux and for Windows. |
| 11:19:19 | Kohlrabi | *off* |
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| 11:19:55 | RoC_MM | You might have problems with VMPlayer for Linux if you used a non-stock kernel. |
| 11:20:13 | amiconn | Oooh, that's new. It used to be windows-only... |
| 11:20:43 | amiconn | But then, if you already run linux, there's almost no point in using the vmware dev image |
| 11:21:06 | amiconn | B4gder: I've updated the wiki page. |
| 11:21:59 | * | RoC_MM notes the irony of using VMPlayer's newfound Linux support to emulate a Linux virtual machine under Linux. |
| 11:22:21 | RoC_MM | Maybe. |
| 11:22:33 | RoC_MM | Unless you don't have that "cross compiler toolchain" thing. |
| 11:24:32 | amiconn | LinusN: The cygwin package needs updating too... |
| 11:24:42 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 11:26:49 | amiconn | Good thing: no more newlib workaround. Bad thing: building it still takes ages... |
| 11:29:36 | preglow | arhgh |
| 11:30:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:32:58 | preglow | I00, of all things |
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| 11:33:39 | LinusN | preglow: I00? |
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| 11:34:44 | preglow | yes |
| 11:34:55 | preglow | isn't that the bloody reset exception? |
| 11:34:55 | preglow | heh |
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| 11:35:17 | Mikachu | wow, the backlight fading looks awesome while playing midi |
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| 11:37:32 | amiconn | Mikachu: You're mirroring the vmware dev image, correct? |
| 11:37:38 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 11:37:47 | amiconn | Please update your mirror... |
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| 11:37:58 | Mikachu | url to the file? |
| 11:39:02 | amiconn | http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/Debian-2.7z |
| 11:39:33 | amiconn | When you've updated, please update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform as well |
| 11:39:43 | Mikachu | can i remove the old file afterwards? |
| 11:39:59 | amiconn | I think so |
| 11:41:00 | Mikachu | okay, done |
| 11:41:33 | preglow | and now i get I40:PDIR1FULL, which i haven't even tried to enable |
| 11:43:33 | amiconn | Mikachu: Wow, that was quick... |
| 11:43:39 | Mikachu | if i add << 1 to tempo in the midi stuff, it seems to play at a better speed, it sounded like it was about double the speed before |
| 11:43:43 | Mikachu | amiconn: yeah, 100mbit ftw |
| 11:43:51 | Mikachu | amiconn: it was done before i even found the url in the edit page |
| 11:44:02 | Mikachu | only 20 days left :( |
| 11:44:20 | preglow | 20 days left of 100mbit? |
| 11:44:31 | * | preglow remembers the glorious days of 100mbit |
| 11:44:37 | Mikachu | yes, then it's 10mbit |
| 11:44:40 | preglow | oh? |
| 11:44:53 | preglow | sucky |
| 11:44:58 | Mikachu | i'll survive |
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| 11:47:06 | preglow | LinusN: got any idea why i receive a PDIR1FULL interrupt when entering the recording screen when all i've done is set INTBASE correctly? i thought all the interrupt were disabled by default both by way of INTERRUPTEN and INTPRIx |
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| 11:48:01 | LinusN | preglow: i don't know |
| 11:48:42 | LinusN | maybe you should set spurvec to an unused vector as well |
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| 11:50:55 | preglow | right, there's always spurvec |
| 11:50:58 | preglow | that might be it |
| 11:51:45 | LinusN | also make sure that InterruptEn is 0 for all sources |
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| 11:53:59 | preglow | i haven't even set it yet |
| 11:54:06 | preglow | but it doesn't matter, obviosuly, i can't reproduce it now |
| 11:54:09 | preglow | god, i hate it when this happens |
| 11:54:15 | Mikachu | okay, enabled variable cpu freq now, seems to work fine :) |
| 11:54:58 | preglow | Mikachu: why shouldn't it? |
| 11:55:12 | Mikachu | last time i tried i had less success, i probably did something wrong then |
| 11:55:27 | preglow | on a nano i'd say so, yes |
| 11:55:29 | preglow | always worked fine here |
| 11:56:13 | Mikachu | maybe i'll set the normal freq a bit higher than 30mhz though |
| 11:56:43 | preglow | it isn't spurvec |
| 11:56:51 | preglow | grr |
| 11:57:08 | Mikachu | text scrolling is acting funny for me, but only on the first line |
| 11:57:13 | Mikachu | works on any other line |
| 11:57:30 | Mikachu | that might be my fault too somehow |
| 11:57:38 | Mikachu | just want to know if anyone else has seen it |
| 12:00 |
| 12:02:24 | Mikachu | pressing previous when there's only one second of the playing track left has weird results |
| 12:02:38 | Mikachu | just writing it here so i don't forget when i find the right page on the wiki... |
| 12:04:05 | preglow | bah, i give up |
| 12:04:28 | whatboutbob_ | noooooo! :) |
| 12:04:46 | Mikachu | right, that was already known |
| 12:05:29 | preglow | i get a PDIR1FULL no matter what i do, i don't even bloody enable it |
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| 12:09:29 | * | preglow learns the importance of doing hard resets |
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| 12:11:34 | whatboutbob_ | preglow: that fix the PDIR1FULL problem then? |
| 12:11:56 | preglow | i set INTERRUPTEN to 0x00c00000 and INTPRI3 to 0x60000000, thus only IEC3PARERR should be enabled, but still, i get I40:PDIR1FULL |
| 12:12:01 | preglow | whatboutbob_: no |
| 12:12:15 | preglow | whatboutbob_: it just explained why i couldn't understand why it got thrown when i hadn't enabled _anything_ |
| 12:12:30 | whatboutbob_ | ah. :-( |
| 12:12:37 | preglow | rockbox init doesn't deal with int controller 2 at all yet, so the values went untouched across a rolo boot |
| 12:13:30 | dpro | re |
| 12:14:39 | dpro | guys does anyone have a bootpartition and mbr backup of a 2Gb nano - mine was on a hd that crashed and itunes doesn't restore it properly (I wouldn't mind but the nano is my flatmate's ...) |
| 12:14:48 | Mikachu | i do |
| 12:15:21 | dpro | Mikachu: I do realize this is totally illegal but would you gzip it and put it somewhere I can get it ? |
| 12:15:40 | dpro | then again what would I do with it without a nano ;) |
| 12:15:46 | Mikachu | i don't think it is, if you have an actual ipod nano 2gb |
| 12:16:18 | dpro | Mikachu: lacking a digicam I can't even proove it ;) |
| 12:16:30 | Mikachu | dpro: mikachu.ath.cx/.dpro |
| 12:17:29 | dpro | wget: permission denied . |
| 12:18:14 | preglow | LinusN: no matter what interrupts i enable, PDIR1FULL gets fired... sure the UIE vector detection is correct for intcontroller 2 as well? can't see any reason why it shouldn't be, but... |
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| 12:21:55 | LinusN | preglow: i'm pretty sure the vectors are fine |
| 12:23:14 | linuxstb | dpro: The mbr from a 2GB Nano is available here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX (see the table at the bottom) |
| 12:24:10 | linuxstb | dpro: Also, I think ipodwizard can extract the bootpartition.bin contents from the iPod updater application. |
| 12:24:16 | preglow | LinusN: when i try to enable IEC1PARERR, the PDIR1FULL exception is actually reported to happen at 0x56. isn't that flash? |
| 12:24:24 | dpro | damn - now lacking any firmware it doesn't even show up in emergency disk mode anymore - don't you just love apple's restore utility (they probably should call it fsck-up utility ...) |
| 12:26:32 | dpro | I shouldn't have let my flatmate use itunes on it ... |
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| 12:27:07 | dpro | it just repeats rockbox bootloader: error -1 loading original firmware ... ouch |
| 12:27:08 | emacsen | Anyone awake? |
| 12:27:27 | emacsen | cool... quick question... I need to put the original ipod boot loader back on |
| 12:27:32 | dpro | hehe |
| 12:27:46 | emacsen | I'm going to get the ipod serviced and they'd freak if they saw anything out of the ordinary |
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| 12:27:58 | dpro | emacse: provided you have it it should be dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sdX |
| 12:28:43 | Mikachu | emacsen: you can just use the ipod restore program |
| 12:28:52 | Mikachu | if it works |
| 12:28:52 | linuxstb | emacsen: The installation page on the website has uninstallation instructions. |
| 12:28:53 | emacsen | Mikachu: I don't have an ipod restore program |
| 12:29:01 | Mikachu | emacsen: use the internet, luke |
| 12:29:17 | emacsen | linuxstb:yeah it mentions an "ipod restore program" which I either can't get or won't run |
| 12:29:26 | emacsen | Mikachu: think... GNU/Linux... |
| 12:29:48 | emacsen | No "Apple Restore Program" for GNU/Linux- and you KNOW that since you CTCP Versioned me |
| 12:29:49 | * | B4gder detects a GNU/ prefix we don't see much in here ;-) |
| 12:29:59 | linuxstb | emacsen: It seems it's missing from the GNU/Linux instructions. |
| 12:30:05 | Mikachu | emacsen: i know you run gaim irc, which works fine in windows, macosx and linux |
| 12:30:07 | Mikachu | probably solaris as well |
| 12:30:21 | linuxstb | emacsen: Do you still have the bootpartition.bin file you created during the installation? |
| 12:30:33 | emacsen | sure, just dd it back on? |
| 12:30:43 | dpro | emaces: exactly |
| 12:30:54 | Mikachu | both the mbr and the boot partition |
| 12:30:55 | dpro | emacsen: and the mbr |
| 12:31:08 | linuxstb | The mbr hasn't been changed - unless you created a new partition for ipodlinux. |
| 12:31:09 | Mikachu | then you probably want to remove all files from the fat partition |
| 12:31:09 | B4gder | is echo enabled? ;-P |
| 12:32:30 | emacsen | linuxstb: the one called "bootpartition.bin" right (just being 100% sure) |
| 12:32:49 | linuxstb | Yep, just "dd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sdX1" |
| 12:33:17 | Mikachu | emacsen: it should be about 70-90MB |
| 12:33:39 | linuxstb | If you're extremely paranoid, you should wipe sector 61 as well.... |
| 12:33:48 | emacsen | cool... gonna try it. linuxstb: someone may want to put that on the wiki... there are times you have to bring your ipod to the Apple Store (eg for them to replace the battery) and if they see it's not running exactly like before- they won't service it |
| 12:34:06 | Mikachu | you could dd if=/dev/full of=/dev/sda, then restore the mbr and boot partition, and mkdosfs /dev/sda2 |
| 12:34:13 | linuxstb | It's in the Windows/Mac OS installation instructions, but not the GNU/Linux ones for some reason. |
| 12:34:45 | emacsen | Mikachu: yeah I could have done that... but saving the MBR and the first part of the first partition seemed safe enough |
| 12:37:06 | emacsen | Mikachu: it's a 4 gig ipod after all :) |
| 12:37:18 | emacsen | I don't want to put all 4 gig on my laptop |
| 12:37:28 | Mikachu | i didn't say you should |
| 12:39:02 | dpro | so should I give the "restore program" a shot ? the nano over here seems rather bricked ATM |
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| 12:39:23 | * | dpro needs to find a win/mac first ... |
| 12:39:47 | emacsen | linuxstb: yeah... well... not hooray but yeah, it's back to the way it was... all pretty and braindead... |
| 12:40:30 | emacsen | linuxstb: the original firmware is like the cheerleader in HS. All beauty, no brains. Me, I'm going for the girl whose nose is in the book at study hall, Rockbox :) |
| 12:41:16 | linuxstb | emacsen: If I was you, I would wipe the Rockbox config sector as well. e.g. "dd if=/dev/zero count=63 >> mbr.bin" and then "dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sdX". |
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| 12:41:52 | emacsen | linuxstb: I have the original mbr, not good enough? |
| 12:41:59 | emacsen | the one from the installation |
| 12:42:36 | emacsen | it's 512k |
| 12:42:38 | linuxstb | No, that's only one sector in size. There is a gap before the first partition (which normally starts at sector 64) which is where Rockbox writes the config data. |
| 12:42:41 | dpro | emacsen: hehe with a little theme tweaking you could actually get away with the beautifull smart and educated young lady ;) |
| 12:42:41 | emacsen | erm 512 bytes :) |
| 12:43:44 | linuxstb | It's extremely unlikely Apple would look for that, but it's easy to do. |
| 12:43:56 | emacsen | linuxstb: if you run that command, won't the MBR get boinked? |
| 12:44:12 | emacsen | you're replacing 64 bytes with zeroes |
| 12:44:22 | emacsen | right up front :) |
| 12:44:25 | linuxstb | No - the "dd if=/dev/zero count=63 >> mbr.bin" appends 63*512 bytes of zeros to the end of mbr.bin |
| 12:44:44 | emacsen | duh... I'm sorry... it's still 6am here :) |
| 12:45:50 | dpro | <homer> mmhmmmm disk mode </homer> |
| 12:46:00 | dpro | select & play did it |
| 12:46:11 | emacsen | linuxstb: GRR |
| 12:46:13 | emacsen | THAT broke it |
| 12:46:23 | dpro | emacsen: shouldn't that be already ;) |
| 12:46:30 | emacsen | linuxstb: that seriously broke it |
| 12:46:49 | emacsen | linuxstb: now I DO need the restore program |
| 12:47:03 | emacsen | linuxstb: please don't give advice |
| 12:47:10 | emacsen | sorry that was wrong to say |
| 12:47:21 | emacsen | linuxstb: please be more careful with your advice :) |
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| 12:47:51 | ravon | It should've worked |
| 12:48:14 | linuxstb | Try dd'ing the bootpartition.bin file back as well then. |
| 12:48:19 | emacsen | ravon: well now it boots, and says "Apple support" and shuts down |
| 12:48:51 | ravon | Note to self: Read more than 2 lines up when entering in the middle of a conversation |
| 12:50:04 | emacsen | linuxstb: okay, with the old bootpartition, it works |
| 12:50:14 | emacsen | linuxstb: sorry for lashing out |
| 12:50:34 | Mikachu | don't worry, you can't break your ipod |
| 12:50:37 | emacsen | linuxstb: that was really assinine of me. I sincerely appologize |
| 12:50:49 | linuxstb | Out of interest, can you do "fdisk /dev/sdX", then "u" to change units to sectors, and then "p" to print the partition table. What is the start sector for your boot partition? |
| 12:51:05 | linuxstb | emacsen: No problem. I knew it could be easily fixed. |
| 12:51:18 | emacsen | linuxstb: will you add those instructions to the wiki page? |
| 12:51:32 | emacsen | linuxstb: they need to be there for folks bringing the Apple in for servicing |
| 12:51:42 | linuxstb | The ones that f**ked your ipod? |
| 12:51:58 | emacsen | linuxstb: no... the ones that "restored it" |
| 12:52:29 | linuxstb | :) But yes, the Linux instructions should be brought in line with the instructions for Windows/Mac OS. |
| 12:52:30 | emacsen | linuxstb: ie "My ipod battery is crap and I need to bring it in to be replaced. The Apple people want to run a test, so how can I remove Rockbox without a trace" |
| 12:52:52 | * | dpro id dd'ing ... let's see if it'll boot again after a mkdosfs and putting the firmware back |
| 12:53:09 | dpro | emacsen: wipe -rf .rockbox rockbox.ipod |
| 12:53:41 | dpro | and make sure you use the original mbr/bootloader |
| 12:54:02 | linuxstb | Ah, it seems the boot partition starts at sector 63, not sector 64. So my instructions wiped the first sector of the boot partition... |
| 12:54:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: With your extended mbr.bin, you would destroy the start of the first partition (the firmware parition)... |
| 12:54:30 | dpro | tataaaa |
| 12:54:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yep :) I extended it by one too many sectors... |
| 12:54:53 | dpro | mikachu: thx for the files ... now looks like a shiny new windows ipod ;) |
| 12:54:53 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 12:55:15 | emacsen | linuxstb: ah :) |
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| 12:55:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: I use dd directly when I want to wipe the config sector |
| 12:55:45 | linuxstb | How can you do that? I didn't think it could skip in the output. |
| 12:55:54 | * | dpro will be an ipod guru by 2013 ;) |
| 12:56:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: it can |
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| 12:56:25 | linuxstb | Ah, "seek="... |
| 12:56:58 | amiconn | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<disk> seek=61 count=1 |
| 12:57:06 | dpro | hmmm: I just did a dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sdX ; dd if=bootpart.bin of=/dev/sdX1 ; mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdX2 # et voila |
| 12:57:28 | dpro | linuxstb: yes seek or better skip= |
| 12:57:52 | dpro | ah ok now ic |
| 12:58:02 | dpro | forget my previous (dumb) comment |
| 12:58:16 | linuxstb | I remember the problem - I don't think cygwin or Mac OS allows seeking in disk devices... |
| 12:58:53 | Mikachu | skip is for the source file, seek is for target |
| 12:58:58 | Mikachu | it's easy to make mistakes there |
| 12:59:10 | Mikachu | it could even be the other way around |
| 12:59:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you used that dd seek=... command in cygwin? |
| 12:59:59 | dpro | Mikachu: but since we have manpages ... I guess I never really confused the two when actually /using/ them (unlike when talking rubbish on irc) |
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| 13:00:27 | Mikachu | i can just press tab |
| 13:00:44 | * | Mikachu hugs zsh |
| 13:00:47 | dpro | Mikachu: to avoid rubbish on irc ? |
| 13:00:53 | Mikachu | to not make mistakes when i use it |
| 13:00:57 | dpro | hehe |
| 13:01:21 | emacsen | thanks all |
| 13:01:22 | emacsen | bye |
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| 13:02:01 | dpro | hmmm it's so sad to see the beautiful nano with this crap os again ... |
| 13:02:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes. Works fine. |
| 13:02:57 | dpro | I mean can you believe you need gnupod/itunes to actually put anything it'll recognize on there ? is there not even a file browser hidden anywhere ? |
| 13:05:42 | dpro | ok back to coding ... |
| 13:06:47 | dpro | how do you guys feel about making the pitch screen modal (as in vi like) so one can control pause/play/cue/rew from one screen ? |
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| 13:08:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: I wonder why I wrote ipodpatcher.exe then.... |
| 13:09:19 | amiconn | Well, how would *I* know that? ;) |
| 13:10:10 | amiconn | I know that I deleted config sectors and things a zillion times that way from cygwin, on various rockbox devices |
| 13:10:26 | amiconn | I also copied FATs and other things for analysis |
| 13:10:49 | amiconn | Hmm, but ipodpatcher is standalone, you won't need a cygwin installation... |
| 13:11:03 | linuxstb | Yes, and it does some safety checks, so it's not a waste of time. |
| 13:11:03 | * | preglow kicks coldfire |
| 13:11:26 | preglow | if this issue turns out to be me being stupid, i'll never touch a keyboard again |
| 13:11:48 | amiconn | There is a standalone 'dd' for windows, but I don't know whether it supports device access |
| 13:12:44 | dwihno | amiconn: There's a special dd version (coupled with a funky dll) which does the job. |
| 13:12:56 | dwihno | (no, not cygwin) |
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| 13:22:18 | preglow | sweet lord |
| 13:22:28 | Mikachu | yes? |
| 13:22:38 | preglow | can one disassemble the iriver firmware using objdump without losing absolutely all hair? |
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| 13:32:04 | preglow | but anyone, 0x0 is flash on h120, yes? |
| 13:32:45 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:33:38 | preglow | then why the flaming hell do i get an interrupt there? |
| 13:34:55 | preglow | now i just enable int22 (parity bit error), and now i get I40 sometimes, I00 other times |
| 13:35:29 | preglow | i don't get why there should be a difference, int22 and 23 in INTERRUPT both map to interrupt vector 23 in the int controller |
| 13:35:58 | preglow | INTERRUPTEN, that is |
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| 14:15:07 | preglow | argh |
| 14:15:22 | * | preglow gives up |
| 14:16:15 | linuxstb | s/pdif recording? |
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| 14:18:07 | XavierGr | :( |
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| 14:18:44 | romanos | ti epathes kai stenaxwriesai? |
| 14:18:54 | ravon | indeed |
| 14:20:11 | Genre9mp3 | preglow gives up on s/pdif recording I suppose? |
| 14:20:36 | XavierGr | and for gods sake speak in English in the main channel |
| 14:20:45 | romanos | no way |
| 14:20:54 | romanos | hello genre :P |
| 14:21:20 | Genre9mp3 | Hallo |
| 14:21:40 | preglow | yes, spdif recording |
| 14:21:44 | romanos | ghost broke it |
| 14:21:47 | * | noa just unpacked a 30gib ipod video.. will try out rockbox once it's recharged |
| 14:22:21 | dpro | noa: just set the anti-skip buffer quite high then it's just grrrrrret |
| 14:22:39 | noa | oki, will do that |
| 14:22:53 | lostlogic | don't know why you would do that... just makes it rebuffer more often for less time... |
| 14:22:54 | preglow | i need to do some reverse engineering to so what the hell i'm doing wrong |
| 14:22:58 | preglow | and i don't have time for anything of the sort |
| 14:23:01 | lostlogic | what made you change the anti-skip buffer in the first place? |
| 14:23:19 | dpro | lostlogic: skipping ? |
| 14:23:20 | * | petur welcomes back lostlogic |
| 14:23:46 | dpro | lostlogic: I had dropouts with anything below 30secs |
| 14:24:33 | dpro | that is with cvs from a few days back |
| 14:25:29 | lostlogic | dpro: what triggered the dropouts? That doesn't make sense really... |
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| 14:25:46 | lostlogic | petur: thanks |
| 14:26:02 | Mikachu | you have 12 days to fix everything |
| 14:26:23 | * | Mikachu demonstrates inability to subtract |
| 14:26:29 | linuxstb | Is the anti-skip setting just related to the minimum amount of data Rockbox keeps in the (compressed) audio buffer? |
| 14:26:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yes |
| 14:26:45 | lostlogic | I guess the longer buffering runs are what causes the skips he's talking about. |
| 14:26:57 | dpro | lostlogic: If I knew ... but it definitely was more likely under load (i.e. when using a plugin while playing music) |
| 14:27:00 | linuxstb | Yes, filling from disk can cause skips... |
| 14:27:03 | lostlogic | *shrug* just another performance doohicker. |
| 14:27:25 | linuxstb | If amiconn doesn't get there first, I may try an ARM-optimised ATA driver. |
| 14:27:34 | LinusN | amiconn: i have updated the cygwin packages now |
| 14:27:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: I won't get there until at least the 3.0 release |
| 14:27:59 | amiconn | I may try ata dma on iriver before... |
| 14:28:26 | whatboutbob_ | preglow: feel free to smack me down, but is it worth committing optical recording as is? |
| 14:28:39 | linuxstb | Nor would I. ipod recording is something I would like to try after 3.0 is released as well. |
| 14:28:53 | whatboutbob_ | preglow: it seems to work flawlessly for some people... |
| 14:29:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: My next ipod thing will be the grayscale lib... |
| 14:29:45 | amiconn | Probably some minor fixups before, like debug menu items... |
| 14:29:53 | Mikachu | the manual says the plasma plugin demonstrates the grayscale lib, even when "compiling" it for ipod nano. i don't know how far the manual rework has come? |
| 14:29:58 | Mikachu | speaking of grayscale |
| 14:30:15 | dpro | whatboutbob_: is there an ipod recording patch somewhere one can fool around with already ? |
| 14:30:23 | linuxstb | whatboutbob: The question is if a problematic s/pdif recording implementation is better for the 3.0 release than no implementation. |
| 14:30:55 | whatboutbob_ | dpro: not that i'm aware of. i'm discussing optical recording for the iriver h1xx |
| 14:31:03 | dpro | ah ok |
| 14:31:22 | whatboutbob_ | linuxstb: yup...i understand...i guess i'm raising that question in a round-about way. :) |
| 14:31:23 | linuxstb | dpro: No. IPL has partially implemented recording - for 4g and later, it records in mono via the headphone socket, but doesn't support the line-in. |
| 14:31:46 | * | dpro needs to figure out where to set tv out off/on anyway first ... |
| 14:31:48 | preglow | whatboutbob_: it outright hangs the unit for me, so no |
| 14:31:54 | preglow | i won't commit anything that hangs the player |
| 14:32:00 | Mikachu | does that work on nanos too, headphone jack recording? |
| 14:32:10 | dpro | linuxstb: IPL gives me mainly headaches ... I never even got sound to work on 5gs |
| 14:32:11 | preglow | headphone jack recording? |
| 14:32:17 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I think so. |
| 14:32:27 | Mikachu | neat |
| 14:32:35 | whatboutbob_ | preglow: fair enough. is that just with negative testing though? (ie pulling the plug on recording) |
| 14:32:58 | preglow | whatboutbob_: pulling the plug _sometimes_ crashes recording, which will give the lovely hang at 8kb bug |
| 14:33:12 | preglow | whatboutbob_: also, as far as i've been told, i can't do it myself, it hangs if you start recording with no input |
| 14:34:01 | preglow | iriver seems to solve these problems by refusing to record with no input and stopping recording if you plug out the spdif input |
| 14:34:19 | preglow | and that's what i'm trying right now, but i can't make the interrupts work |
| 14:35:16 | linuxstb | preglow: Did your "getting paid to work on Rockbox" project need recording? |
| 14:36:07 | preglow | nope's, that's been put on hold |
| 14:36:20 | preglow | and that's ipod based anyway |
| 14:38:23 | whatboutbob_ | preglow: anything i can do to help? (...apart from order you a bottle of Rogaine) |
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| 14:39:18 | linuxstb | dpro: I would be interested in getting the TV-Out working as well - you'll need to start disassembling the diagnostics mode code to work it out though. |
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| 14:40:16 | linuxstb | It's not a simple matter of enabling/disabling it though - it has an independent framebuffer. |
| 14:41:42 | preglow | whatboutbob_: no, not much, i'll have a look at it when i get some more rockbox time again |
| 14:41:50 | * | preglow bbl |
| 14:46:54 | amiconn | LinusN: Nice, thanks :) |
| 14:47:02 | dpro | linuxstb: linuxstb: does it ... and if one just writes to that after a reset from a video playing original firmware ? anyone tried this ? |
| 14:50:13 | linuxstb | dpro: AFAIK, a reset will do just that - reset the hardware. I would expect that the Apple bootloader would initialise the hardware as well. |
| 14:50:30 | dpro | linuxstb: but are we using apple's bootloader ? |
| 14:50:35 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 14:50:40 | dpro | ah ok |
| 14:50:44 | linuxstb | That's what loads the Rockbox bootloader... |
| 14:51:09 | dpro | anyway it mighht be worth a try ... maybe it doesn't ;) |
| 14:51:14 | linuxstb | A lot of the hardware (e.g. the LCD) isn't initialised in Rockbox - we just use it in the state we find it. |
| 14:51:32 | linuxstb | (although I think amiconn has fixed that for the greyscale LCDs) |
| 14:52:56 | amiconn | Both rockbox and ipl init the greyscale LCDs |
| 14:52:58 | linuxstb | dpro: You could play with the diagnostics mode - hold LEFT+SELECT after a reset. There is a TV-Out option there. |
| 14:53:35 | dpro | damn where is left ;) |
| 14:53:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK. I've only really looked at the colour ones. |
| 14:54:01 | amiconn | The problem was that retailos relies on th ebootloader init, and was mirrored when booting retailos via the rockbox bootloader, since we used the lcd in a different way than retailos |
| 14:54:05 | dpro | wow diagnostics mode ... I learn a lot here everyday |
| 14:54:19 | amiconn | Now we use the same mode as retailos |
| 14:55:13 | Mikachu | -exp(i*pi) = 1 |
| 14:55:20 | dpro | aarg damn freebsd ... alias make=gmake *phew* |
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| 14:59:25 | linuxstb | dpro: From diagnostics mode, as soon as you reset the ipod, the TV-Out is disabled. It looks like it's before the Apple bootloader is started. |
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| 15:00:00 | dpro | linuxstb: so probably it's the firmware doing it and not the bootloader ? |
| 15:00:30 | linuxstb | Yes, the TV-Out is normally disabled. |
| 15:01:14 | * | dpro needs to get a video on the ipod but no gnupod over here ... just to see if a hardreset might leave it on by default |
| 15:03:00 | linuxstb | That's unlikely. And not very useful either.... |
| 15:04:21 | dpro | linuxstb: I mean /if/ it works then it /might/ be possible to figure out what settings are different i.e. which registers to write to to enable it ... but I realize that's a pretty blueeyed hope |
| 15:09:35 | whatboutbob_ | petur: you in the house? |
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| 15:09:49 | petur | 10% |
| 15:10:07 | dpro | hehe |
| 15:10:29 | whatboutbob_ | ok, now i'm curious...where's the other 90%? |
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| 15:12:39 | whatboutbob_ | petur: if i begged and pleaded would you have any interest in creating a patch to somehow enable backlight activation on remote button press during recording? |
| 15:13:16 | mmohr | Hi everybody! |
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| 15:13:41 | mmohr | Hi |
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| 15:14:39 | Massa | Does anybody have deeper knowledge in programming of the pcf50606? |
| 15:14:42 | dpro | easy one: how do I get the fontsize of the current theme ? |
| 15:15:00 | dpro | oh ... |
| 15:15:19 | * | dpro just realizes that's not necessary for the pitch screen uses the same font all the time ... |
| 15:15:44 | Massa | amiconn? |
| 15:18:39 | * | petur returns from the 90% |
| 15:19:40 | petur | whatboutbob_: I can look, but not until tomorrow, no time now :( |
| 15:20:00 | petur | tomorrow evening that is |
| 15:20:08 | amiconn | whatboutbob: What should that do? |
| 15:20:27 | amiconn | Remote backlight is always activated when you use the remote buttons |
| 15:20:35 | amiconn | (unless you switched it off completely) |
| 15:20:45 | petur | I think he means main BL |
| 15:21:23 | amiconn | Why would one want to enable the main backlight with the remote buttons??????? |
| 15:21:36 | petur | let's ask whatboutbob_ |
| 15:21:45 | amiconn | Even on archos, which only the non-lcd remote, the remote buttons never enable backlight |
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| 15:28:01 | whatboutbob_ | amiconn/petur: for viewing the peak meters without adjusting settings (i was talking about triggering the remote backlight btw). |
| 15:28:45 | amiconn | Now I'm even more confused... |
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| 15:29:09 | amiconn | You can enable the remote backlight with the remote buttons, can't you? |
| 15:29:13 | whatboutbob_ | currently the only way to view the peakmeter in a dark room is to flick the hold-switch. i accidentally stopped a recording the other night because i flicked the hold switch off and brushed stop. |
| 15:29:28 | whatboutbob_ | ...accidentally. |
| 15:30:07 | amiconn | There is the "1st keypress enables backlight only" option. Just enable it for the remote |
| 15:30:22 | whatboutbob_ | amiconn: yup...but not while hold is on. (reads back to his request and notes he missed something rather important). |
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| 15:30:54 | amiconn | Of course not. Hold is hold, so it disables all button events |
| 15:32:24 | whatboutbob_ | i understand that, but i'm asking for an exception. I realise not everyone would think it makes sense, which is why i ask only for a patch (for my own use, and for the other tapers i know who want it) |
| 15:32:49 | whatboutbob_ | petur can of course tell me to sod off. ;) |
| 15:33:42 | amiconn | In your case I would just set the remote backlight to always on during the recording session |
| 15:33:57 | amiconn | (but I wouldn't recommend to keep this setting at all times) |
| 15:34:08 | whatboutbob_ | amiconn: this chews up the battery reasonably quickly. |
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| 15:34:55 | whatboutbob_ | ...and disables the clip light. |
| 15:35:31 | linuxstb | whatboutbob_: IIUC, you want a mode (for the remote) where a button press whilst hold is on will enable the backlight? |
| 15:35:50 | whatboutbob_ | linuxstb: correct. |
| 15:35:58 | RedBreva | Unix is case sensitive right? So would a path of 'Backdrop' rather than 'backdrop' in a zip/gz/tar file cause issues installing a theme on a Unix platform - I'm guessing yes, but want to confirm it |
| 15:36:37 | linuxstb | Are you talking about using the theme in the simulator? |
| 15:36:48 | RedBreva | yes, and for real |
| 15:36:52 | linuxstb | It shouldn't make any difference if you're installing onto a FAT32 partition. |
| 15:36:57 | whatboutbob_ | should i log this request in flyspray? |
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| 15:37:09 | linuxstb | But yes, it might break the sim. |
| 15:37:32 | RedBreva | so on real hardware it should be OK, but on the sim it fails |
| 15:37:42 | RedBreva | OK... glad I checked |
| 15:38:46 | linuxstb | If you're using a native Unix filesystem for your sim (e.g. ext2/ext3), then yes. |
| 15:40:15 | petur | whatboutbob_: sorry for being unresponsive, gone to 100% payed work atm |
| 15:41:06 | whatboutbob_ | petur: no need to apologise. i'm being cheeky asking anyways. |
| 15:43:31 | Massa | amiconn, do you (or somebody else here) have knowledge in programming the pcf50606? |
| 15:44:48 | amiconn | What in particular? |
| 15:46:28 | Massa | is it O.K. to first do a pcf50606_write(xxx, something) and then read the place again with pcf50606_read(xxx)? |
| 15:46:42 | Massa | I mean, does it bring back the same value as set? |
| 15:47:42 | amiconn | I don't think so. It depends on the register what you will get back |
| 15:48:12 | Massa | register 0x39 :-) |
| 15:48:16 | amiconn | The datasheet is available in the docs section... |
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| 15:48:44 | Massa | So in general it would be better to create a local variable in that module to hold a value? |
| 15:48:52 | Massa | Ahh, O.K. I'll have a look at! |
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| 15:49:30 | linuxstb | That's definitely a good idea because I2C is slow. |
| 15:49:32 | ]RowaN[ | midi!!! yeye =] |
| 15:49:46 | * | ]RowaN[ gives a round of applause |
| 15:50:31 | Massa | Another question regarding this: for what things is the pcf50606 used? |
| 15:50:55 | whatboutbob_ | is flyspray registration working atm? I'm getting a form error. |
| 15:51:31 | whatboutbob_ | nm |
| 15:51:40 | Massa | I ask because the only official definition is RTC_PCF50606 - but I think it's main usage is charge control - or am I wrong? |
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| 15:53:00 | amiconn | Massa: The PCF is used for RTC, all kinds of ADC (buttons, remote buttons, remote type detection, battery voltage) in the H300 |
| 15:53:01 | klrspz | hey devs, (ON AN IPOD[nano]) when bookmarking is set to ask, it generally skips over the acceptance of creating a bookmark and thus doesn't (even if you HOLD play, since play is the option to accept the save) |
| 15:53:15 | amiconn | It is *not* used for charge control - that's a separate chip |
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| 15:53:32 | Massa | amiconn, Only in the H300? I thought the iAudio X5 does it also use??? |
| 15:53:45 | linuxstb | klrspz: It's possible that PLAY isn't the button to confirm. Try SELECT. |
| 15:53:54 | amiconn | It's also used for some gpio controlled things, not all of them are identified. The pwm output is also used, for backlight brightness control |
| 15:53:56 | Massa | amiconn, huh? But it's used for USB charging, isn't it? |
| 15:54:00 | klrspz | linuxstb, either way, there's no time to do it |
| 15:54:02 | amiconn | Nope |
| 15:54:17 | amiconn | Maybe it is in the X5 - I have no idea about that |
| 15:54:29 | Massa | So it's only used to enable/disable USB charging with gpio? |
| 15:54:46 | klrspz | linuxstb, i hold play for 2 secs, and it goes to the save/skip screen and immediately goes back to the file browser.. |
| 15:55:12 | linuxstb | That sounds like a bug then. Is it in the patch tracker? |
| 15:55:21 | linuxstb | (I mean bug tracker...) |
| 15:55:30 | amiconn | Massa: [15:54:16] <amiconn> It is *not* used for charge control - that's a separate chip |
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| 15:55:36 | klrspz | don't know, i'll try to look in a little bit.. just got to work so i got some catching up to do |
| 15:56:06 | amiconn | We don't know for sure how that chip is controlled - only the status pin is known so far |
| 15:56:22 | amiconn | The charging chip in the H300 is the LX2201 |
| 15:57:07 | klrspz | linuxstb, a search for 'bookmark' doesn't yeild a result with the stated issue |
| 15:57:15 | Massa | Hmm, I'm currently working a bit on the USB charging patch (the original author seems to vanish) - and this one and also LinusN said, that setting the pcf50606 register 0x39 to 0 would enable USB charging and setting it to 7 would disable it. |
| 15:57:32 | Massa | The comment for this says "set GPOOD2 to High-Z for USB charge enable" |
| 15:58:05 | Massa | Is it possible and necessary to directly program the LX2201? |
| 15:59:49 | amiconn | Hmm, so GPOOD2 of the PCF is known - it connects to the enable pin of the LX2201 |
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| 16:00:19 | amiconn | But that's not everything we need to know - there must be more pins and/or other methods of accessing the LX2201 |
| 16:01:01 | amiconn | There are only 2 ways to find out. (1) Go hunting for the routines in a retailos disassembly (2) trace the hardware |
| 16:01:41 | Massa | I think both ways are nothing for me :o |
| 16:02:50 | Massa | My knowledege about that hardware stuff is absolutely nothing - I only try to create a patch with which it is able to switch on and off the USB charging... |
| 16:03:32 | Massa | And currently it doesn't work as suspected - so I try to find out what's wrong... |
| 16:04:22 | Massa | Currently I read the GPOOD2 register in the pcf50606 to detect if the USB charging is enabled or not; it seems, this does not work... |
| 16:04:27 | amiconn | There must be at least one more control - the one that selects 100mA or 500mA charging from USB |
| 16:04:37 | amiconn | Not, that cannot work |
| 16:04:50 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps it could |
| 16:05:05 | amiconn | It would only tell you if something enabled charging before |
| 16:05:06 | Massa | Why? Or Why not? Please lighten my dark... |
| 16:05:27 | amiconn | I wouldn't tell you whether it's actually charging |
| 16:05:41 | amiconn | How do you read from the pcf? |
| 16:05:49 | Massa | That's clear - it only should tell me if the charging is enabled or disabled... |
| 16:06:04 | amiconn | You need to interrupt-protect the pcf accesses |
| 16:06:13 | Massa | with the function pcf50606_read |
| 16:06:41 | Massa | and I think (hope) it does the necessary work for me... |
| 16:07:26 | * | Genre9mp3 is glad to play MIDI files on his H300 |
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| 16:07:56 | Massa | About the 100mA/500mA charging - does somebody know which register to set or read for this? |
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| 16:08:41 | amiconn | You must not use pcf50606_read with interrupts enabled |
| 16:08:55 | amiconn | ...because it is also used from within an isr (the button tick) |
| 16:09:21 | amiconn | If you do, both your read and the button isr will confuse each other |
| 16:09:28 | Genre9mp3 | BTW, is MIDI Playback planned to play like any other format instead using the plugin? |
| 16:10:09 | Massa | How do I make sure it works? I created a setting for this and everytime the user sets or resets this settings the write and read routine will be called. |
| 16:10:31 | klrspz | $20 BF2 at staples nationwide!! |
| 16:10:38 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I'm sure that's the eventual aim. |
| 16:10:43 | Massa | I assume it will not work when it is currently in an isr? |
| 16:10:56 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: cool! |
| 16:12:32 | amiconn | Massa: You need the same sequence as in lcd-h100-remote.c:474..476 |
| 16:13:07 | amiconn | Just replace adc_scan() with the appropriate pcf access function |
| 16:14:01 | Massa | amiconn, you mean the "set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL); my_func(); set_irq_level(oldlevel)" sequence? |
| 16:14:14 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:14:16 | romanos | hi! Does anyone knows how can i get songs to my ipod's apple firmware without using itunes? Also why my apple firmware resets to defaults each time? |
| 16:14:40 | Massa | amiconn, thanks - I'll try this! |
| 16:23:29 | petur | romanos: drag and drop |
| 16:23:42 | Massa | amiconn, I just had a look at the datasheet - there is a table where the pins are described there is a column "I/O" which only says "O" for the GPOOD2 pin. Does this mean I can only write and not read? |
| 16:26:22 | whatboutbob_ | night. |
| 16:26:34 | linuxstb | romanos: If you are asking how to copy files so that the Apple firmware will play them, then you have no choice but to use either itunes or one of the many third-party equivalents. |
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| 16:27:52 | linuxstb | romanos: But you should go to an ipod site like http://www.ilounge.com if you want to find people who can help with using the Apple firmware. |
| 16:30:29 | dpro | romanos: I recommend gnupod because it will at least not obfuscate your filenames and you can still find them from rockbox |
| 16:30:54 | mikearthur | is ReplayGain supported for OGG? |
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| 16:33:34 | mikearthur | on Rockbox that is |
| 16:34:29 | markun | mikearthur: yes |
| 16:34:34 | mikearthur | awesome |
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| 16:37:22 | markun | It's going pretty well with our gigabeat hacking: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ |
| 16:37:31 | markun | oops.. |
| 16:37:57 | markun | wrong window |
| 16:39:48 | linuxstb | markun: Keep us all updated :) |
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| 16:50:01 | markun | okok, I'll shut up now :) |
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| 16:54:21 | dpro | oh how do I seek now ... wasn't there sth. like audio_seamless_seek a month ago ? |
| 16:58:50 | lostlogic | dpro: yeah, it's not needed any more, seeks are seemless, UNLESS the audio_pre_ff_rewind is called first |
| 16:59:00 | lostlogic | in which case the audio is paused and flushed for the seek' |
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| 17:00:05 | dpro | lostlogic: ah ok so is there a .h file where all the play/pause/resume/seek things are defined ? which ones are to be used preferably ? |
| 17:00:48 | petur | lostlogic: doing rockbox atm? |
| 17:00:53 | ender` | how optimized is the vorbis decoder in rockbox compared to iriver's original firmware? |
| 17:02:05 | lostlogic | audio.h |
| 17:02:45 | lostlogic | petur not really, just catching up on what I missed both in rockbox and at work... this evening (if I don't fall asleep at 20h) I'll probably take a peek. |
| 17:02:47 | ender` | i've got a .ogg file that plays in original firmware, but skips a lot in rockbox (on H120). the file is 364kbps though |
| 17:02:56 | petur | k |
| 17:03:09 | lostlogic | ender`: well doesn't that answer your question already? |
| 17:03:18 | ender` | kind of |
| 17:04:09 | ender` | i've successfully played ogg file with average 498kbps on original iriver (but i've lost that file) |
| 17:04:10 | linuxstb | I didn't think the H120 had any problems with Oggs. Do you have EQ/Crossfeed/peakmeter or any other CPU-intensive things running at the same time? |
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| 17:04:59 | ender` | linuxstb: no |
| 17:05:45 | linuxstb | Have you looked at the audio debug screen whilst playing the file? This will tell you for sure if it's a CPU speed problem, or something else. |
| 17:06:01 | ender` | let me check |
| 17:06:21 | linuxstb | The tell-tale signs will be a 100% boost ratio and the pcm buffer becoming empty. |
| 17:06:45 | lostlogic | linuxstb: if the average bitrate is 364, it might have > 1mbps spikes... some of my 230kbps live rips spike to >700kbps. |
| 17:07:17 | ravon | That audio debug thingy was the coolest. |
| 17:07:19 | linuxstb | That sounds nasty. Maybe it should use FLAC for those frames.... |
| 17:08:56 | ender` | boost is at 100%, the PCM buffer never seems to fill beyond 200kB |
| 17:09:20 | linuxstb | Yep, looks like our vorbis decoder is too slow... |
| 17:09:48 | preglow | no shit |
| 17:09:54 | ender` | want the file for testing? |
| 17:10:25 | linuxstb | preglow: I knew it wasn't our fastest codec, but I didn't realise it couldn't play all files though. |
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| 17:15:55 | preglow | it can't |
| 17:16:03 | preglow | some q9 q10 struggle on h120 |
| 17:16:06 | preglow | lesser files on ipod |
| 17:16:29 | amiconn | Imho a file with lossy compression and such a high bitrate is insane... |
| 17:16:47 | ender` | this file is Q7,5 AFAIK |
| 17:19:34 | preglow | yeah |
| 17:19:38 | preglow | i see no point in it either |
| 17:20:05 | Mikachu | what bitrate is ogg q9 usually? |
| 17:20:09 | lostlogic | yep, pretty dumb... things like whistles and applause really fuck with vorbis streams for some reason (and whistles during applause are the BIG CAN'T DECODE THIS NO MATTER WHAT frames) |
| 17:20:13 | lostlogic | (for me) |
| 17:20:21 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 17:20:28 | preglow | sounds like a "great" psymodel |
| 17:20:33 | preglow | sweet god |
| 17:20:35 | preglow | i'm switching to musepack |
| 17:20:36 | Mikachu | you want your lossless applauds |
| 17:20:39 | preglow | the simpler the better |
| 17:20:45 | ender` | lostlogic: it does sound like cheering in the problematic parts :) |
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| 17:22:54 | dpro | hmmm ... what's wrong with if (audio_status() == AUDIO_STATUS_PAUSE) audio_resume(); ?? |
| 17:25:42 | lostlogic | dpro: audio_status() will be playing and paused |
| 17:26:08 | lostlogic | so try if (audio_status & AUDIO_STATUS_PAUSE) or some such logical operation |
| 17:26:34 | dpro | lostlogic: arrgl thx so AUDIO_STATUS_PLAYING | AUDIO_STATUS_PAUSE |
| 17:26:43 | lostlogic | or you could use that, yeah |
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| 17:28:40 | bernych | Someone knows well the ColdFire asm? |
| 17:28:55 | preglow | yea |
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| 17:30:32 | bernych | I'm trying to code the start_iaudio_fw procedure in asm for dualboot. I like to write to register like flashbar and rambar, but things like movec %d,%rambar give me mismatch operands error. |
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| 17:30:56 | bernych | sorry: %d0 |
| 17:31:44 | preglow | in asm or inline asm? |
| 17:31:51 | bernych | inline asm |
| 17:31:58 | preglow | move.l %d0,%rambar1 or 2 should work |
| 17:32:11 | preglow | movec, i mean |
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| 17:33:56 | bernych | rambar1 works but flashbar1 doesn't! and what about itt1 and itt2? |
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| 17:37:22 | hardeep | lostlogic: welcome back =) |
| 17:37:37 | hardeep | lostlogic: are you working on rockbox currently? |
| 17:37:40 | lostlogic | hardeep: thanks, and thanks for working on playback while I was out |
| 17:37:46 | lostlogic | hardeep: not coding currently, not till this evening. |
| 17:38:02 | hardeep | lostlogic: okay, i found the bookmark bug that's been reported ... will fix |
| 17:38:16 | bernych | preglow: any idea? |
| 17:38:36 | lostlogic | great! it's good that you seem to understand the way playback interracts with the rest of the system much better than I do, while I understand its guts very deeply :) |
| 17:39:56 | petur | lostlogic: I swapped talk and audio init in main.c yesterday, seemed to fix voice eating itself after playback |
| 17:40:11 | lostlogic | petur: yeppers, saw dat, good think. |
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| 17:53:48 | lostlogic | gotta figure out what threading issue is preventing USB mode. |
| 17:55:37 | hardeep | lostlogic: when a new playlist is started while the current one is playing, why not just stop playback first instead of adding this new Q_AUDIO_PLAYLIST mode? |
| 17:56:06 | hardeep | lostlogic: the bookmark problem is because the offset being passed is ignored in this case |
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| 17:56:44 | hardeep | er, Q_AUDIO_NEW_PLAYLIST |
| 17:56:53 | lostlogic | hardeep: apparently a 'design requirement' of the system is to have crossfade into the new playlist. |
| 17:57:13 | hardeep | hmmm, that's a strange requirement |
| 17:57:20 | lostlogic | I'm fine with dropping it, personally :) |
| 17:57:32 | hardeep | i'd rather the new playlist started immediately −− that's the reason i selected it |
| 17:57:46 | lostlogic | hehe, yah |
| 17:58:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, does that affect folder transitions with auto-change-folder? |
| 17:58:39 | lostlogic | it should also be possible to duplicate some of the logic from if(start_play) in audio_load_track for the case of Q_AUDIO_NEW_PLAYLIST |
| 17:58:42 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: no, that's a different path |
| 17:58:56 | lostlogic | but I didn't realize it was necessary |
| 17:59:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: Alright. I don't know much about the code, I was just trying to think of "Cases where the playlist changes and I feel it should crossfade" and that was the only one |
| 17:59:39 | preglow | bernych: ahh, no, and i'm busy right now |
| 17:59:54 | hardeep | lostlogic: the codec initialization? |
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| 18:00:39 | lostlogic | hardeep: sorry the if (offset > 0) |
| 18:01:03 | lostlogic | it might be somewhat trivial to enable that for the Q_AUDIO_NEW_PLAYLIST function? |
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| 18:01:20 | hardeep | lostlogic: I had changed it to just pass the offset to audio_load_track, but that doesn't appear to be working |
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| 18:01:41 | hardeep | the playback starts at the right offset but the time counter still says 0 |
| 18:01:42 | lostlogic | ugh. |
| 18:01:59 | lostlogic | and that doesn't happen on a new play in the same situation? |
| 18:02:06 | hardeep | nope |
| 18:02:07 | lostlogic | crummy. |
| 18:02:36 | hardeep | i don't think we really want to crossfade when starting at an offset |
| 18:02:39 | hardeep | maybe that's the quick fix |
| 18:02:46 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 18:02:49 | hardeep | stop playback if new playlist and offset > 0 |
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| 18:03:33 | lostlogic | sure, just be careful of the serialization and thread-safety of the stop call. |
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| 18:18:38 | hardeep | looks like it works |
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| 18:20:50 | lostlogic | coolness |
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| 18:21:06 | Maxou` | hi |
| 18:21:33 | Maxou` | i have a -small- question, does the midi playback works normally? |
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| 18:27:12 | lostlogic | the plugin sounds like it works, but it is not yet treated as a 'normal' audio file format. |
| 18:28:04 | Maxou` | so playback does not work on iriver? because for me it hangs at "Loading instruments" |
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| 18:29:55 | lostlogic | don't know... haven't tried it. |
| 18:30:02 | Maxou` | okai |
| 18:30:06 | Maxou` | thx |
| 18:32:08 | preglow | Maxou`: well, do you have instruments? |
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| 18:33:23 | Maxou` | preglow, erm no i don't think so |
| 18:35:11 | preglow | then small wonder |
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| 18:35:53 | Maxou` | ? |
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| 18:36:26 | Maxou` | what should i do so? |
| 18:36:28 | Maxou` | :x |
| 18:40:54 | preglow | dunno |
| 18:40:57 | preglow | never used it |
| 18:41:00 | preglow | but you need patch files |
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| 18:41:10 | preglow | that is, instruments |
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| 18:48:10 | Maxou` | ok |
| 18:48:10 | Maxou` | thx |
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| 18:59:21 | Mikachu | on some midi files it just seems to hang, on others it works |
| 18:59:47 | Maxou` | ah.. all midi's I tried hanged.. no luck |
| 18:59:48 | Maxou` | lol |
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| 19:11:50 | Maxou` | mp3 playback is buggy on last CVS :/ |
| 19:12:07 | Maxou` | it goes next before the end |
| 19:12:18 | Maxou` | and he just hanged |
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| 19:19:40 | RedBreva | should 'Line Selector: pointer' be included in a theme .cfg? Personally - No... What's the general feeling on this? |
| 19:20:12 | LinusN | hard to tell |
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| 19:23:24 | Maxou` | LinusN, I have problem on mp3 playback of latest CVS, it goes to next song before the end, and it hangs some times.. |
| 19:23:35 | RedBreva | hmmm...not sure I like it, but I suppose I should leave it there, if the user don't like it, they can always change it I suppose... |
| 19:24:00 | LinusN | Maxou`: i haven't worked on the playback code for ages |
| 19:24:01 | Mikachu | i agree with Maxou` |
| 19:24:07 | LinusN | better look for lostlogic |
| 19:24:12 | Mikachu | i think hardeep's latest commit broke it |
| 19:27:53 | preglow | Maxou`: do you seek? |
| 19:28:16 | Maxou` | no |
| 19:28:18 | Mikachu | it happens on normal playback |
| 19:28:36 | Maxou` | I play one song and let it play.. |
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| 19:30:57 | lostlogic | hmph... why would hardeep's change break things... |
| 19:32:10 | Mikachu | it's just a guess so far |
| 19:32:43 | lostlogic | Mikachu: so, you select a playlist (with nothing currently playing), and the first song it plays quits before the end of the track? |
| 19:33:29 | Mikachu | i think it's just the wps switches to the next song early |
| 19:33:35 | Mikachu | but i've had that before i thnk |
| 19:33:44 | Mikachu | maybe it's anti placebo |
| 19:33:46 | lostlogic | crossfade? |
| 19:33:49 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:34:07 | lostlogic | hmm, weird |
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| 19:40:57 | Mikachu | is a comparison variable > code constant faster than comparison variable&mask != 0 ? |
| 19:41:26 | Mikachu | the mask is also a code constant |
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| 19:43:20 | lostlogic | depends if a subtraction or a & is faster |
| 19:43:59 | Mikachu | i had a better idea |
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| 19:46:45 | blind | So I've been using rockbox on my iPod for a while.. and I turned it off, went to bed, went to turn it on, and I have the sad iPod icon. Out of the blue.. |
| 19:47:27 | blind | but now I just plugged it into the computer, and it loads fine. very odd. |
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| 19:48:02 | lostlogic | blind: odd indeed. |
| 19:48:21 | blind | Maybe the battery just needed to be charged? Would that happen on a low battery? |
| 19:53:26 | lostlogic | dunno |
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| 20:11:15 | preglow | sweet lord, this windows har really started rotting since i left it for linux |
| 20:12:07 | preglow | my ubuntu is actually faster |
| 20:12:07 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 20:12:22 | Galois | don't forget Windows Update |
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| 20:14:50 | Matixs | hello, i have one question related to rockbox and linux.How i can set the path to crosscompiler forever? now a can manualy before compiling rockbox set the path with export PATH=/home/user/etc. |
| 20:15:52 | lostlogic | Matixs: just append it to the path in your .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 20:16:01 | lostlogic | but that's a linux question, not a rockbox one ;) |
| 20:17:25 | ender` | maybe configure should write full path to compiler to the makefile? :) |
| 20:17:49 | Matixs | :) but when i can append this? my .bash_profile looks now : |
| 20:17:49 | Matixs | # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists |
| 20:17:49 | Matixs | if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then |
| 20:17:49 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Matixs |
| 20:17:49 | Matixs | PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" |
| 20:17:50 | Matixs | PATH=$PATH:/home/host/sh1/bin |
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| 20:17:50 | Matixs | fi |
| 20:18:36 | Matixs | is it correct? |
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| 20:20:17 | Galois | I recommend putting the sh1 line after fi |
| 20:21:58 | Matixs | ok, thats was that i wasn't sure |
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| 20:23:37 | Matixs | ok, thank you very much, sorry for wasting your time and sorry for my english :D |
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| 20:35:31 | XavierGr | lostlogic: I think I am going to record those artifacts I am talking about in the manual track change. |
| 20:35:47 | XavierGr | So you would be able to hear what I am saying |
| 20:37:05 | XavierGr | LinusN: By any chance, do you remember the bug with wrong metadata on some audio files I had sent to you? |
| 20:38:06 | lostlogic | XavierGr: sure |
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| 20:42:27 | darkless | latest CVS (also before hardeep's latest commit) mess up when you FF in a track... I need to pause and then play, otherwise it won't continue (and even then it plays a bit of the audio before the skip before it continues from the correct position) |
| 20:43:30 | darkless | pressing stop after this little manouvre freezes rockbox |
| 20:43:54 | lostlogic | darkless: when did this start? seeking was working fine last week... |
| 20:44:15 | LinusN | XavierGr: i remember |
| 20:44:15 | Maxou` | lostlogic, maybe same as simple playback bugs |
| 20:44:44 | darkless | lostlogic: I'll try to work my way back to see which daily made it go caboom |
| 20:45:19 | XavierGr | Linus: What do you think we can do about it? Can you tell me where exactly the bug is? (Which source file) |
| 20:45:49 | pill | hi |
| 20:46:09 | pill | ianyone with the last stable build for H1x0? |
| 20:46:25 | Mikachu | 2.5? |
| 20:46:47 | pill | i almost had a car crash because of another unexpected hanging/hard reset |
| 20:46:49 | pill | :p |
| 20:47:16 | Maxou` | I don't think there's any release for H1x0 |
| 20:47:40 | LinusN | XavierGr: i don't remember |
| 20:48:22 | lostlogic | what is this stability he speaks of? I'm not familiar with it. |
| 20:50:59 | XavierGr | Linus: Do you know where to search for it? Any hint or the case of the bug? |
| 20:51:09 | XavierGr | ^cause |
| 20:51:15 | XavierGr | that is if you remember |
| 20:51:26 | XavierGr | lostlogic where can I send you the file? |
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| 20:56:00 | klrspz | is it safe to delete \iPod_Control ? |
| 20:56:11 | Mikachu | if you won't use apple os anymore |
| 20:56:36 | klrspz | will the AOS reinitialize this automatically? |
| 20:56:43 | Mikachu | probably |
| 20:56:44 | klrspz | i like to show how badly the AOS sucks |
| 20:56:56 | klrspz | and how much better RB is :) but i don't want all the bs left around |
| 20:57:06 | Mikachu | you could make an autorock that removes it :) |
| 20:57:55 | lostlogic | XavierGr: lostlogic at lostlogicx dot com |
| 20:58:22 | XavierGr | lostlogicX? |
| 20:58:32 | lostlogic | yeppers |
| 20:58:50 | lostlogic | lostlogic.com was taken somehow, despite my having this nickname for going on a decade :( |
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| 21:02:47 | darkless | lostlogic: The first daily where the seeking problems occur is from the 24th, since the 23rd doesn't have it (and 26,28,30,2 has it) |
| 21:03:16 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:03:16 | * | goffa___ goes to check goffa.com |
| 21:03:16 | hardeep | seeking works fine for me on latest CVS |
| 21:03:29 | goffa___ | taken |
| 21:03:53 | darkless | I have a track where seeking doesn't work properly, I need to go back all the way to the 23rd to solve it |
| 21:03:53 | goffa___ | 9 years for me |
| 21:04:14 | goffa___ | well.. since it was used online |
| 21:04:15 | lostlogic | darkless: well then what's particular about _that_ track that breaks seeking is the question we should be asking. |
| 21:04:18 | lostlogic | what format is it? |
| 21:04:23 | lostlogic | what bitrate is it? |
| 21:04:31 | lostlogic | are its tags not correct WRT it's length? |
| 21:04:41 | goffa___ | 1992 was when people started calling me that |
| 21:05:36 | darkless | I haven't checked its tags. It's 7:12 in length (Eagles - Hotel California from "Hell Freezes Over" (a live-album)) |
| 21:05:52 | Mikachu | heh, i have that tape |
| 21:05:52 | Mikachu | i found it on the street |
| 21:06:16 | darkless | same format as pretty much all my music (lame-encoded APS, ~205 VBR) |
| 21:06:38 | lostlogic | well then why does that track break? |
| 21:06:57 | darkless | no idea but it does and it's easily reproduced |
| 21:07:29 | darkless | I can try other tracks if you'd like me to |
| 21:10:51 | preglow | someone remind me never to use windows again |
| 21:11:22 | LinusN | preglow: don't use windows again |
| 21:11:26 | darkless | lostlogic: I reproduced the error on Green Day - Jesus Of Suburbia (same encoding+bitrate, 9:08 length) |
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| 21:13:02 | RedBreva | OK, a rash staement i realise... but, I think I have finished with http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_320x240x16.html untill a) anyone finds a mistake, problem etc. b) I start on the 'Patching Required' table. |
| 21:13:05 | darkless | lostlogic: and again on the track "Get Over It" (from that Eagles CD), length 3:31 |
| 21:14:04 | RedBreva | It really needs for someone with a 5G iPod to d/load and install all the themes and check they work Ok on target, they all seemed Ok on Sim... |
| 21:14:23 | lostlogic | darkless: forward or backward seeking? Are you seeking repeatedly? Starting another seek before audio has resumed from a previous one? Starting seeking while the disk buffer is still mostly empty? |
| 21:15:09 | darkless | after playback has begun I seek forward a few minutes, playback doesn't resume after I stop forwarding |
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| 21:15:34 | lostlogic | darkless: see if it stops happening if you wait until at least 20 or 30 seconds of the song has played before starting to seek. |
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| 21:17:10 | darkless | ok, it did the same thing... I let it play from start to 0:31 then FF'ed to 2:50 |
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| 21:17:29 | darkless | on a 4:03 length track |
| 21:17:46 | lostlogic | darkless: it doesn't like you. |
| 21:17:53 | darkless | nope |
| 21:17:58 | lostlogic | your codec is not sending a seek complete event |
| 21:18:01 | lostlogic | find out why. |
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| 21:19:25 | hardeep | lostlogic: i had a thought on the resume info being cleared too early: couldn't we use the track changed callback to identify when we've stopped playing? |
| 21:19:46 | XavierGr | lostlogic: message sent |
| 21:19:47 | Presence | hahah, all the songs on the ipod 5g themes are "My Humps". |
| 21:19:48 | Presence | thats rad. |
| 21:21:12 | darkless | lostlogic: I don't have CVS set up, otherwise I'd try to back out some of your April 24th changes to see which one borked it |
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| 21:22:10 | RedBreva | I liked the idea of all the screens showing the same track info - better to compare and contrast ;-) |
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| 21:23:15 | lostlogic | hardeep: hmm, good point −− track changed callback and manual stop should be the only places we need to save resume information |
| 21:23:33 | lostlogic | and a track changed callback that happens after playing is false should save null or something? |
| 21:23:56 | Mikachu | does idleshutdown already save? |
| 21:24:11 | lostlogic | broken on ipod, but that's a 'manual' stop of audio |
| 21:24:26 | lostlogic | there are only 3 ways to stop: 1) manual 2) automatic and 3) error |
| 21:24:58 | hardeep | lostlogic: yeah, that should work |
| 21:25:28 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone know, how often does the "view Battery" in the Debug menu refreshes? |
| 21:26:05 | lostlogic | hardeep: there's a nagging path in there where a manual stop might end up with incorrectly null data, since the codec stops asynchronously, would just hafta ensure that the codec is unloaded before playing is false to prevent it. |
| 21:26:08 | Mikachu | sharpe: did you get the message from that guy? |
| 21:26:25 | lostlogic | XavierGr: I'll get the mail this evening, mail server is down, so it's spooling on my secondary for now. |
| 21:26:50 | XavierGr | ok |
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| 21:30:02 | Genre9mp3 | Here's the case...every time I charge my H340 with the default firmware, the battery reaches 4.19v but when I charge it with rockbox, I get 4.21v. Also, as I see in the Debug, it reaches this voltage level some minutes (20 or so) before stop charging |
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| 21:32:23 | lostlogic | Genre9mp3: that's the natuer of LiIon charging −− the battery internally actually reaches ~4.20 volts after only 1 hour of the total charge time, and charges at a constant voltage for the remaining time. |
| 21:32:48 | lostlogic | Genre9mp3: also, the difference in recorded battery level can be easily attributed to having to reboot after the stock firmware charge before taking the reading. |
| 21:35:07 | Slasheri | when the charging circuit switches from constant current charging to constant voltage charging, the battery should have about 80-90% charge |
| 21:35:27 | Genre9mp3 | lostlogic: I just reboot after finished charging (with rockbox) and I get 4.21v as well. |
| 21:35:39 | lostlogic | Slasheri: really? My understanding was that the CV stage started closer to 70% |
| 21:36:08 | Slasheri | hmm, that probably depends on the battery type used |
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| 21:36:34 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 21:36:49 | lostlogic | Genre9mp3: are you charging from AC, or from USB? |
| 21:36:56 | Genre9mp3 | AC |
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| 21:37:38 | lostlogic | that's interesting. it's possible that the default setting for the charging chip has a lower threshold current to terminate charge than what the stock firmware uses. |
| 21:38:07 | lostlogic | can't remember if the LX2201 has an adjustable threshold. |
| 21:38:41 | lostlogic | Genre9mp3: does it take longer to do a full charge on rockbox or on iriver? |
| 21:39:58 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm...I can't answer to this for sure...probably the same time I suppose |
| 21:40:31 | Genre9mp3 | I can do some tests though to find out the exact times |
| 21:41:15 | lostlogic | I'd be interested to know. |
| 21:41:29 | Genre9mp3 | Sure...I'll let you know |
| 21:43:28 | Genre9mp3 | I may do a battery bench also for both rbx & stock charges to see if there are any differencies as well |
| 21:46:54 | klrspz | a bookmark loads the latest bookmark in the bmark file right? |
| 21:47:10 | t0mas | hmz... some native English speakers around? |
| 21:47:28 | klrspz | uh yeah |
| 21:47:31 | t0mas | the right way of saying: moving into a house with some other students? |
| 21:47:45 | klrspz | makes sense to me |
| 21:47:48 | t0mas | so moving out of your parents house, but not going totally solo |
| 21:48:02 | klrspz | getting a room mate/roomie |
| 21:48:06 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 21:48:07 | t0mas | tnx |
| 21:48:10 | klrspz | np |
| 21:50:33 | klrspz | i just noticed you can scroll through bookmarks when opening a bmark file.. how do you properly delete them on an ipod? it says ON+Play = Delete, but that doesn't even make sense to me |
| 21:50:57 | Genre9mp3 | question: iPod mini doesn't support 24bit bmps like H100 does? |
| 21:53:56 | klrspz | odd... it seems you hold FF to erase the instance of a bookmark |
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| 21:58:44 | klrspz | at the rate my ipod is discharging under rockbox, i only have 53 minutes to listen to it, wtf |
| 21:58:50 | klrspz | (it's been on the charger all morning) |
| 21:59:08 | Mikachu | yes, ipods don't charge a lot in rockbox |
| 21:59:13 | klrspz | really? |
| 21:59:18 | klrspz | it says 100% |
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| 21:59:32 | klrspz | but after like 6 min it drops down to 89% |
| 21:59:56 | klrspz | i didn't think that'd make a diff, but i'll try it in the apple os.. but that really confuses me |
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| 22:02:56 | klrspz | whenever i go past song 3 on my playlist, the total count drops by 1 |
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| 22:07:12 | klrspz | Mikachu, where you bullshitting me? |
| 22:07:33 | Mikachu | no |
| 22:07:51 | Mikachu | apparently there is some switch in the hardware to enable higher current modes |
| 22:10:35 | klrspz | hmm |
| 22:10:40 | klrspz | well i'll try that out then i guess |
| 22:11:01 | klrspz | i was wondering why my battery life kept getting less and less |
| 22:11:06 | klrspz | by a dramatic amount of time |
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| 22:17:56 | lostlogic | I get like 6 hours of playback on my IPV after charging always in rockbox. |
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| 22:18:32 | lostlogic | 'course I use a direct AC adapter that charges via the firwire charging pins, not a USB charge adapter |
| 22:18:54 | klrspz | my ipod nano only came with usb charger adapter |
| 22:19:12 | lostlogic | well sure, that's all mine _came_ with too |
| 22:19:21 | klrspz | oh |
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| 22:19:57 | klrspz | i don't have money to be spending on something like an ipod unfortunately... i got it for free, so i'm not complaining, but i'm not going to make it an expense.. already got a skin on the way and an fm transmitter... that's all the dough i care to spend on it right now |
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| 22:20:10 | left | hi people |
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| 22:20:48 | Mikachu | klrspz: boot retailos when you charge |
| 22:20:55 | klrspz | i am right now |
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| 22:22:09 | left | there is actually someone with an iaudio M5 interested to port rockbox/with any suggestion to port the X5 version for the M5? |
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| 22:22:56 | LinusN | left: is there *any* developer that has an m5? |
| 22:23:49 | left | well... me :D |
| 22:24:00 | lowlight | Anyone having problems with the text viewer? |
| 22:24:11 | Mikachu | define problems |
| 22:24:17 | lowlight | My cvs build for today completely locks up my h140 |
| 22:24:37 | Mikachu | no then |
| 22:24:41 | left | LinusN, is so n00b having an M5? I'm that old? :I |
| 22:25:01 | noa | weeehoo! Some initial testing on my new 30gib indicates that rockbox works like a charm. Thanks |
| 22:25:01 | LinusN | left: well, do you think you are up to the task? |
| 22:25:01 | lowlight | when viewing text files that is |
| 22:25:34 | left | I have no idea what's the task LinusN, maybe.. |
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| 22:26:22 | LinusN | the task is to port rockbox to M5 |
| 22:26:29 | left | yep |
| 22:26:32 | LinusN | the main thing is probably the lcd |
| 22:26:51 | left | in fact it's the only hard difference, no? |
| 22:27:00 | noa | only one question, is video playback supposed to work? (when I prepared the boot loader i added video playback firmware) |
| 22:27:06 | LinusN | i think there are more differences |
| 22:27:24 | Mikachu | noa: there is no video playback in rockbox |
| 22:27:42 | left | uhm |
| 22:27:47 | noa | Mikachu, oki |
| 22:28:15 | noa | I'm happy as long as I can playback ogg (I have 30gib of encded cds here) |
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| 22:28:35 | left | LinusN, the way to discover it, is? opening my M5? |
| 22:28:42 | noa | rebooting into apple firmware for video playback isn't all that complicated also |
| 22:28:53 | lowlight | hmmm...text viewer works fine for my 4/26 build, but not for today's build |
| 22:29:01 | Mikachu | if you have 30GB of oggs, you won't have any room for videos, problem solved :) |
| 22:29:11 | noa | :) |
| 22:29:39 | noa | I won't sync all the bad music I've collected over the years, so I'll have some gigabytes left |
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| 22:31:41 | noa | has there been any talk about support for video playback? (I do program c but I'm totally new to this) |
| 22:32:02 | Mikachu | it's planned for the Future |
| 22:32:25 | noa | that is ususally the case |
| 22:32:47 | noa | is there a "task list" or similiar with low hanging fruit for new contributors? |
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| 22:33:05 | Mikachu | rockbox.org/tracker |
| 22:33:58 | noa | oki, I'll have a look |
| 22:34:34 | noa | I suppose first step is getting a development enviroment up and running |
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| 22:38:00 | lowlight | Another way to lock up the text view...play something, view a text file, repeatedly press stop (switching between the menu and the text), eventually I get a freeze |
| 22:39:03 | * | noa plays around and is wondering.. How do you exit the jewels plugin with ipod controls? |
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| 22:40:05 | noa | found it.. press and hold select |
| 22:40:06 | lowlight | actually nothing needs to be playing to lock up the viewer |
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| 22:44:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | noa: There's also a thread in the General Discussion forums of the most wanted feature requests. |
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| 22:49:38 | noa | Paul_The_Nerd, I'll check that out tomorrow |
| 22:50:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, they updated the article on CNET to be a little more clear that Rockbox is still in a fairly early state for iPod. I felt on the original read-through that they presented the shortened battery life as "just something to be accepted about it" rather than "an aspect of its early state" |
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| 22:55:03 | blind | So yeah, rockbox killed my iPod, I guess. |
| 22:55:08 | crashd | lol |
| 22:55:10 | Mikachu | probably not |
| 22:55:12 | crashd | don't be ridiculous blind |
| 22:55:20 | crashd | "mr. t ate my balls!!!" |
| 22:55:29 | blind | it was working fine, i listen to it everyday.. |
| 22:55:29 | Presence | haha |
| 22:55:36 | blind | i turn it off, put it on my table, go to sleep. |
| 22:55:42 | crashd | that was for all the oldies :p |
| 22:55:44 | blind | wake up, go to turn it on, sad ipod icon. |
| 22:55:45 | Mikachu | blind: it is not dead, only temporarily stunned |
| 22:55:48 | XavierGr | and then what blind? |
| 22:55:55 | blind | so i plug it into the computer. |
| 22:55:58 | blind | rockbox loads. |
| 22:56:06 | blind | So I unplug it from the computer, rockbox loads. |
| 22:56:26 | Mikachu | are you sure you're not just out of battery? |
| 22:56:31 | blind | I listen to it for about 10 minutes, rockbox freezes. I restart the iPod, sad ipod icon. restart, sad ipod, plug it into the computer, sad ipod |
| 22:56:51 | blind | Positive, it was charging for an hour, and then i only used it for 10 minutes. |
| 22:56:59 | crashd | blind: worst case situation, you have to do a factory defaults restore using the Apple iPod Updater |
| 22:57:02 | Mikachu | charging in apple os? |
| 22:57:02 | blind | and i even plugged it into the charger, sad ipod icon. |
| 22:57:12 | Mikachu | it won't charge much in rockbox |
| 22:57:12 | blind | it won't go into apple os. |
| 22:57:20 | crashd | blind: disk mode? |
| 22:57:34 | crashd | and from there, you can use the apple updater to reset factory defaults |
| 22:57:51 | blind | I don't have the apple updater, or a mac or a windows computer. |
| 22:58:07 | crashd | well |
| 22:58:11 | crashd | use your backup partition |
| 22:58:22 | crashd | that you made when you installed rockbox via linux/bsd/sunos or whatever you used |
| 22:58:26 | Mikachu | it still sounds like battery to me |
| 22:58:43 | blind | mikachu, then shouldn't i be able to get into apple OS? |
| 22:58:50 | vertz | I can install rockbox on my ipod video 30G right? |
| 22:58:55 | Mikachu | vertz: yes |
| 22:58:57 | Mikachu | blind: not sure |
| 22:59:05 | Presence | same thing happened to me first day of my ipod + rockbox, I just let it charge in emergency disk mode for 8 hours, never happened again. |
| 22:59:26 | blind | it won't go into disc mode now. |
| 22:59:28 | blind | :\ |
| 22:59:34 | vertz | Mikachu: is there anyone i can fuck it up and not recover it later? hehe |
| 22:59:49 | vertz | i'm kinda good at fucking things up |
| 22:59:58 | blind | yeah, won't go into disc mode. |
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| 23:00:00 | crashd | you'd have a hard time fucking it up to a none recoverable state vertz |
| 23:00:16 | Mikachu | vertz: no, you'd have to do it on purpose, and know exactly what you were doing to break it |
| 23:00:16 | blind | when plugged into the computer, the battery charging icon thing comes up.. |
| 23:00:29 | blind | but when i reboot it, i get the sad ipod icon. |
| 23:00:35 | Mikachu | leave it like that for more than 3 seconds |
| 23:00:42 | vertz | ah! thats sounds great! then i'll just give it a shot |
| 23:00:49 | blind | it was charging for an hour, mikachu |
| 23:00:51 | Presence | yeah, leave it at the battery charging icon for like a few hours, man. |
| 23:01:16 | blind | but when rockbox DID load, it showed over a half full battery meter. |
| 23:01:40 | Presence | fuck rockbox's battery meter, it tries ,but it ain't all that. give your 30G ipod some time on that charger. |
| 23:01:41 | vertz | one more question, can i still watch videos? |
| 23:01:49 | blind | nope. |
| 23:01:53 | Mikachu | vertz: you can dual boot |
| 23:01:59 | blind | 30G? |
| 23:02:13 | Presence | sorry, confused blind w/ vertz |
| 23:02:16 | blind | I have a 60G :) |
| 23:02:20 | blind | :P |
| 23:02:22 | vertz | dual boot? really? cool |
| 23:02:35 | Mikachu | vertz: you can even triple boot (ipl) |
| 23:02:55 | Presence | vertz: when you first turn on the ipod or coming back from the reboot, as soon as you see the dark screen with the apple icon, hold down "menu" for like ever until you get Apple's firmware. |
| 23:03:04 | vertz | hehe, i dont use my ipod anyway.. got it for free of a friend, but now i'm bored and i figured i could do something with it hehe |
| 23:04:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | blind: Give it some serious time to charge, and if you feel it's not happy, restore the bootpartition.bin you should've kept according to the instructions. But whatever problem you're having is sounding very definitely hardware based. |
| 23:05:15 | blind | Paul_The_Nerd, I like rockbox. I'll give it time to charge, but even if I wanted to, I couldn't restore that bootpartition.bin because the iPod won't boot up.. not even into disc mode. |
| 23:05:37 | Presence | i bet it will as soon as it has a long-ass charge. |
| 23:06:15 | blind | I hope. |
| 23:06:47 | Presence | are you charging off a wall adapter, or a pc USB port? |
| 23:07:11 | blind | i've tried both. currently off the PC |
| 23:07:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | blind: If it won't boot up into disk mode, it's *definitely* a hardware failure, since every aspect of that takes place before you get to any rockbox software. |
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| 23:08:17 | blind | my first iPod had a hd failure. I hope this one doesn't too :[ |
| 23:09:26 | | Part lowlight |
| 23:10:53 | * | amiconn appears |
| 23:11:05 | * | Mikachu cowers |
| 23:11:17 | petur | wtf |
| 23:11:44 | Presence | seriously, what do the cool 60gig ipod kids use to wrap their ipod up in when on the move? |
| 23:11:50 | petur | skype suddenly starts doing 40kbps transfer without me asking it |
| 23:12:10 | Mikachu | petur: i think it tunnels other people's conversations |
| 23:12:13 | Presence | I'm still using the $0.10 cent sleeve that came in the ipod box. |
| 23:12:19 | petur | what? |
| 23:12:26 | Bagder | skype can relay others talk |
| 23:12:29 | Mikachu | petur: i think it tunnels other people's conversations |
| 23:12:36 | * | petur kicks skype out of mem |
| 23:12:41 | linuxstb | petur: That's what closed-source software does... |
| 23:12:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Presence: I use an iSkin for my Nano. |
| 23:12:55 | petur | I'll have no such thing |
| 23:12:58 | Mikachu | i use my pocket for my nano |
| 23:13:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Once. ONCE, I accidentally put it in the same pocket as my keys. It was never the same again. |
| 23:13:22 | Mikachu | heh |
| 23:13:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: And it was only there for a fraction of a second |
| 23:13:43 | Mikachu | it gets scratches from wiping dust off |
| 23:13:56 | Mikachu | but if i want to look at something i'll buy a painting |
| 23:14:11 | Presence | see, yeah... but won't using a skin or whatever make docking in a thingie just like a pain in the ass? |
| 23:14:25 | Mikachu | the skin should hopefully not cover the connector |
| 23:15:14 | Presence | well, yeah, sure, but a dock standing-up thingie it would bork. Blah, off to Frys or somewhere to anti-clutz this thing. |
| 23:15:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, my concern is that the single scratch it got makes the screen moderately less viewable already. I don't care much about looks, but it's nice to be able to read the menus. |
| 23:16:09 | Mikachu | i can imagine a key scratch would be more annoying than a dust scratch |
| 23:16:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 23:16:40 | Presence | actually, a cat claw scratch... cat jumped up onto desk right onto the ipod, full claws. |
| 23:16:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha. |
| 23:16:51 | Presence | lovely "rip" right through the screen, extra fine. |
| 23:16:53 | linuxstb | There is a bug in the ipod bass/treble settings saving, but I'm not sure which is the best way to fix it. The range is from -6 to +9, and it's been defined as a 4-bit signed value. So +8 and +9 don't get saved properly. Is the best solution to just increase it to 5 bits? |
| 23:18:24 | Mikachu | can't you just shift the value after loading? |
| 23:18:43 | linuxstb | Yes, but I don't think any of the other settings do that, and it seems a lot of hassle for a single bit. |
| 23:19:30 | linuxstb | e.g. the Archos volume is -78 to +18, but is stored in 8 bits, not 7. |
| 23:19:54 | Mikachu | i guess i won't miss the bit :) |
| 23:20:05 | amiconn | markun: r u there? |
| 23:20:34 | | Nick BoD[away] is now known as BoD[] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) |
| 23:20:36 | BoD[] | Hello ! |
| 23:21:40 | BoD[] | hey... when I build the simulator under cygwin, playback produces an error |
| 23:22:09 | BoD[] | "The application or DLL ...\_temp_codec.dll is not a valid Windows image." |
| 23:22:27 | BoD[] | do you guys have an idea of why? |
| 23:22:40 | linuxstb | Did you type "make install" after building the sim? |
| 23:22:43 | Presence | isn't that one too many dots? |
| 23:22:51 | BoD[] | nop |
| 23:22:57 | BoD[] | I just did make |
| 23:23:17 | linuxstb | Then that's the problem. Did you copy the ".rockbox" folder from a "real" Rockbox build? |
| 23:23:44 | linuxstb | Try deleting the archos/.rockbox folder, and then type "make install". |
| 23:24:00 | BoD[] | hmmm I'm not sure cause I did it several days ago. But yes, that sounds like something I would do :) |
| 23:24:26 | BoD[] | ok it's working now ! |
| 23:24:30 | BoD[] | thanks a lot :) |
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