| 00:00:27 | amiconn | Bagder: One of the build servers is causing major lags... |
| 00:01:35 | Bagder | ugh |
| 00:01:58 | Mikachu | can't you send out the same job to many servers and just take the first that finishes? |
| 00:02:08 | Mikachu | well, obviously you can, but is it a bad idea? |
| 00:02:28 | Bagder | Mikachu: not if you can stop the other ones' jobs at that point |
| 00:02:47 | Bagder | in general they all build |
| 00:02:59 | amiconn | 639 seconds for the H300 build........... |
| 00:03:00 | Bagder | its just towards the end that only some servers build |
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| 00:03:56 | Bagder | me removes that one |
| 00:04:34 | amiconn | 639 seconds is more than my pathetic cygwin takes for H300 |
| 00:06:32 | * | Bagder mails admin |
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| 00:08:32 | * | amiconn wonders whether it would be a good or bad idea to enable m68k builds for his server |
| 00:08:46 | t0mas | hm |
| 00:08:52 | t0mas | do we support ipod mini 4g's? |
| 00:09:01 | linuxstb | There is no such thing. |
| 00:09:02 | amiconn | There are no mini 4g's |
| 00:09:05 | Bagder | 4GB |
| 00:09:10 | Mikachu | not that either i think |
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| 00:09:36 | amiconn | I now have a working m68k-elf-gcc on amd64, but with the circumvent-the-failing-check patch. I wonder whether this might hit us in some way |
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| 00:10:53 | linuxstb | t0mas: But I think the answer is yes - Rockbox works on both types of mini - first and second generation, and any disk capacity. |
| 00:11:15 | t0mas | ok |
| 00:11:41 | t0mas | that was indeed the question |
| 00:12:00 | t0mas | but they person I'm talking to thinks he has an ipod mini 4th generation |
| 00:12:25 | amiconn | There are only 1st and 2nd gen minis |
| 00:12:33 | linuxstb | You should ask if the disk capacity is written on the back. If it is, then it's a 2nd gen, otherwise a 1st gen. |
| 00:13:00 | amiconn | First gen was 4GB (and perhaps 2GB - not sure). Second gen is 4GB and 6GB |
| 00:13:15 | Mikachu | oh, i thought it was 3 and 6, there i go |
| 00:14:11 | amiconn | (and second gen has way better battery life, and the more powerful CPU (but we don't clock it faster in cvs than 1st gen and other ipods) |
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| 00:15:08 | linuxstb | Yes, according to Apple, the 1st gen gets 8 hours, the 2nd gen gets 18 hours... |
| 00:15:40 | amiconn | I get 11 hours with rockbox, mp3 playback |
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| 00:16:02 | amiconn | Perhaps I should repeat the test with the improved mp3 codec |
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| 00:16:37 | preglow | amiconn: would be interesting |
| 00:17:06 | preglow | amiconn: that sounds like the best performing ipod we've got at the moment |
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| 00:17:17 | amiconn | Hehe :) |
| 00:17:30 | preglow | i don't think i can get 11 with my nano |
| 00:17:47 | amiconn | and also the most scratch-resistant (together with mini 1st gen of course) :-P |
| 00:18:41 | linuxstb | Apple's claims are: 60GB 5g - 20 hours, 30GB 5g - 14 hours, Nano - 14 hours, Color/Photo - 15 hours, 4g - 12 hours, 1g-3g - 8 hours. |
| 00:19:06 | markun | amiconn: I'm here now |
| 00:19:15 | linuxstb | Odd that the Color/Photo is claimed to perform better than the Nano - it seems to be a _lot_ worse with Rockbox. |
| 00:19:44 | amiconn | markun: Hope you don't mind that I've committed your playercredits patch meanwhile. It's working fine... |
| 00:20:02 | markun | no, I don't mind it at all |
| 00:20:09 | t0mas | anybody here into podcasting? |
| 00:20:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: That points towards bad disk performance in rockbox |
| 00:20:36 | t0mas | I'm talking to the development team at podshow (Adam Curry's company - www.podshow.com) |
| 00:20:49 | t0mas | thinking about some interesting podcast features to add to rockbox |
| 00:21:00 | t0mas | to make it more attractive than the original ipod firmware for example |
| 00:21:16 | linuxstb | Isn't the main issue the PC side of things? i.e. downloading and syncing. |
| 00:21:23 | t0mas | yes |
| 00:21:29 | t0mas | they're working on some syncing |
| 00:21:40 | t0mas | developing their own downloading tools |
| 00:22:04 | t0mas | it's closed beta now, so I can't really say anything other than "looks really promising" |
| 00:22:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Here's my coarse estimation what I would expect from current rockbox: 60GB 5g - 12 hours, 30GB 5g - 8.5 hours, Nano - 8.5 hours, Color/Photo - 9 hours, 4g - 7 hours. |
| 00:23:08 | amiconn | I guess we are below that for all mentioned ipods except nano? |
| 00:23:24 | preglow | yes |
| 00:23:28 | preglow | especially for 5g |
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| 00:23:36 | preglow | and photo |
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| 00:23:47 | preglow | what do you base those estimations on? |
| 00:24:15 | amiconn | Just my numbers (and the nano's) compared to apple's promises |
| 00:24:30 | preglow | what kind of disk is in the minis, btw? |
| 00:24:33 | amiconn | We should measure disk performance... |
| 00:24:43 | amiconn | Hitachi microdrive |
| 00:24:51 | amiconn | 0.85" |
| 00:24:52 | * | goffa___ would believe amiconn over apple |
| 00:25:21 | amiconn | I.e. mechanical disk, but with very low inertia. 500ms spinup time... |
| 00:25:29 | goffa___ | just like cowon... 35 hours on the x5l.. pfft |
| 00:25:55 | amiconn | goffa___: I do believe that it reaches 35 hours with stock firmware |
| 00:26:06 | amiconn | rockbox' codecs still need optimisation work |
| 00:26:24 | amiconn | (not only the codecs though) |
| 00:26:37 | preglow | no, not only, but they are a big part of it |
| 00:26:38 | goffa___ | amiconn: i don't believe that... well if you run 96kbps ogg with no random on, low volume, and never fire up the lcd |
| 00:26:45 | goffa___ | then you may get close |
| 00:27:03 | amiconn | My guess is that mp3 performs significantly better than ogg |
| 00:27:23 | goffa___ | well ok.. at the same bitrate |
| 00:27:26 | amiconn | (if cowon uses the motorola codec, which I woul dexpect) |
| 00:27:32 | amiconn | Not at the same bitrate |
| 00:27:41 | amiconn | at roughly same quality |
| 00:27:43 | goffa___ | well then according to my tests, you are wrong :) |
| 00:28:09 | preglow | sounds unlikely |
| 00:28:17 | preglow | does x5 support mp2 and mp1? |
| 00:28:34 | goffa___ | for vid? |
| 00:28:41 | preglow | for music |
| 00:28:50 | goffa___ | don't think so |
| 00:28:55 | markun | goffa___: you have a X5L? |
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| 00:29:00 | preglow | then odds are good again they use the motorola codec |
| 00:29:08 | preglow | in which case there's no chance in hell ogg outperforms it |
| 00:29:56 | goffa___ | markun: yes |
| 00:30:14 | goffa___ | ok... just going by personal experience |
| 00:30:19 | markun | howmany mAh does it have? |
| 00:30:19 | goffa___ | and testing |
| 00:30:23 | goffa___ | 2250 |
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| 00:30:36 | amiconn | Now it's charging, test starting tomorrow morning... |
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| 01:07:05 | user01 | whats the best portable player to get if i want to install rockbox? |
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| 01:07:48 | midkay | whichever sounds good to you. you could ask, and then get our opinions. we don't know anything about your requirements or needs. |
| 01:08:17 | user01 | midkay: i need to be able to play ogg files and flac would be nice too |
| 01:08:29 | midkay | then any supported iriver or iPod. |
| 01:09:19 | user01 | midkay: is ipod linux the same thing? |
| 01:09:29 | midkay | not nearly, no. |
| 01:09:39 | preglow | woot |
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| 01:09:52 | midkay | ipodlinux is mostly about "i can run linux on my ipod, weehee.. oh, and i have a number of games". |
| 01:10:03 | user01 | midkay: is rockbox debian based? |
| 01:10:06 | preglow | usable ubuntu with low-latency audio? this is unreal |
| 01:10:07 | midkay | rockbox is about music playback and actual mp3-player usability.. |
| 01:10:24 | midkay | user01, no, completely written from-scratch. |
| 01:10:26 | linuxstb | user01: Rockbox has nothing to do with Linux. |
| 01:11:15 | user01 | user01: oh, i would like to be able to install a latex system too that would be cool...dont think theyve done that yet though |
| 01:11:59 | midkay | a latex system? |
| 01:12:17 | midkay | seems quite unlikely.. on an mp3 player?.. |
| 01:12:27 | user01 | yeah, that would be cool to be able to create pdfs when ur bored |
| 01:12:38 | * | midkay stares |
| 01:12:45 | midkay | we can't even read PDFs yet. |
| 01:12:52 | midkay | we can create and view text files, though.. |
| 01:12:54 | linuxstb | yet? |
| 01:13:14 | midkay | linuxstb, i won't rule it out.. we've got 33-shade grayscale on old 1-bit LCDs ;) |
| 01:13:36 | midkay | had you asked me which was more likely before the grayscale stuff was implemented, i'd have gone with PDF viewer.. |
| 01:14:03 | preglow | hahaha |
| 01:14:05 | preglow | pdf viewer on rockbox |
| 01:14:20 | preglow | someone's sure shooting for the big pie in the sky |
| 01:14:24 | midkay | utterly implausible? :) |
| 01:14:47 | * | midkay is not familiar with what's involved in such a thing |
| 01:14:52 | preglow | hell no, printers with coldfire processors in them can interpret postscript, so so can we |
| 01:14:55 | midkay | rarely view, never ever create PDFs.. |
| 01:14:55 | preglow | it's just that it's a bunch of work |
| 01:15:03 | * | preglow loves pdfs |
| 01:15:07 | midkay | could always be ported.. |
| 01:15:37 | midkay | not sure if there's any simple C opensource pdfviewer app.. |
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| 01:21:42 | romanos | genre.. r u here? |
| 01:22:53 | romanos | are u gettin my pm's genre? |
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| 01:23:18 | user01 | are there emulators avilable? that would be cool |
| 01:23:53 | user01 | play e.t. on an atari 2600 wemulator |
| 01:25:58 | user01 | i thought older generations of ipods werent good for ogg? |
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| 01:29:16 | user01 | iaudio isnt fully supported yet? |
| 01:29:17 | nayr | hello? |
| 01:29:31 | nayr | I have an ipod install issue... |
| 01:30:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:30:59 | nayr | my ipod is mounted as /dev/disk2s2 on /Volumes/IPOD (local, nodev, nosuid) |
| 01:31:09 | nayr | instead of disk2s3 |
| 01:31:11 | preglow | midkay: there's whatever evince uses |
| 01:31:54 | midkay | preglow, evince? |
| 01:31:59 | midkay | *oogles* |
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| 01:34:56 | midkay | hm.. |
| 01:35:03 | midkay | yeah, anyways, a port seems feasible :) |
| 01:35:09 | midkay | that'd be quite cool.. |
| 01:35:47 | linuxstb | nayr: /dev/disk2s2 is correct. |
| 01:37:57 | user01 | hmm not sure |
| 01:38:19 | user01 | xvid playback works on ipod video? |
| 01:38:30 | linuxstb | Not in Rockbox. |
| 01:38:36 | midkay | not at all.. |
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| 01:38:59 | linuxstb | What does the Apple firmware play? Isn't that xvid? |
| 01:39:23 | * | linuxstb has no idea what the difference is between mpeg-4, xvid, divx, etc etc. |
| 01:40:04 | midkay | H.264 and MPEG-4 in .mov/.mp4 format.. |
| 01:40:16 | XavierGr | I think Xvid is a fork of DivX when divx commersialised |
| 01:40:18 | midkay | and m4a iirc.. |
| 01:40:47 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Correct! :) |
| 01:41:02 | XavierGr | you told me so :) |
| 01:41:08 | Genre9mp3 | :-P |
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| 01:41:33 | XavierGr | :( |
| 01:41:43 | romanos | giati eisai lypimenos? |
| 01:41:47 | romanos | hahahaha |
| 01:41:55 | romanos | greek only please! |
| 01:41:57 | romanos | :P |
| 01:42:02 | XavierGr | I am hungry |
| 01:42:25 | preglow | i wonder why the hell no projects that start using doxygene actually cares to continue using doxygene |
| 01:50:30 | user01 | would there be any way to add nef format to view images? |
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| 01:51:13 | preglow | nef? |
| 01:53:34 | user01 | http://pages.quicksilver.net.nz/pepe/d70/Nikon_D70_on_Linux.html |
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| 01:59:17 | linuxstb | user01: I can't imagine that any image format would be a problem in Rockbox - it just needs someone with an interest to implement it. |
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| 02:00:48 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I read in the forums that you also made the mistake of trying to delete the HVSC from inside Rockbox :) |
| 02:02:32 | preglow | ahahahahahha |
| 02:03:01 | preglow | i did that in good old unbuffered msdos too, once |
| 02:03:06 | linuxstb | After 90 minutes of trying, my ipod's battery ran out... |
| 02:03:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Yes. That made me weep. |
| 02:03:09 | preglow | had to reset the box, ended up with a corrupt file system |
| 02:03:55 | user01 | linuxstb: im intersted i dont know how to do it though :) |
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| 02:06:43 | user01 | so do you keep the manufacturers firmware when u install rockbox? |
| 02:06:50 | sharpe | yes |
| 02:06:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Except on X5 |
| 02:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that's a temporary situation |
| 02:07:48 | user01 | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, x5 i was thinking bout getting since native firmware supports ogg |
| 02:08:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: Well, if you're using Rockbox you shouldn't be caring much about what the native firmware supports anyway. |
| 02:08:20 | user01 | Paul_The_Nerd: true |
| 02:08:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: But they're working on a dual boot method, it's just not done yet. |
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| 02:08:41 | user01 | dual boot exists for ipod then |
| 02:08:52 | user01 | ? |
| 02:09:13 | linuxstb | Yes, and triple-boot if you want ipodlinux as well. |
| 02:10:29 | user01 | after installing on all those systems does ipod have the best hardware then? |
| 02:10:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd really *really* be hard to name a "Best" among our potential targets at the moment. You'd have to specify a "Best for doing X" |
| 02:11:17 | user01 | Paul_The_Nerd: best audio qulaity output |
| 02:11:47 | user01 | and compatibility with rockbox |
| 02:12:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I don't know which has the best quality audio when playing PCM, honestly. |
| 02:12:17 | linuxstb | The older the Rockbox port, the better the compatibility. So Archos devices are best, then iriver, then ipods/iaudio. |
| 02:13:42 | user01 | i was always curious for like flac support...which is why i usually just use ogg |
| 02:13:53 | user01 | at q8 |
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| 02:14:42 | * | linuxstb is still looking for a 120GB FLAC capable DAP... |
| 02:14:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yesssssss |
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| 02:15:53 | sharpe | wooo... |
| 02:16:12 | user01 | i think it would be cool a portable device that could exchange sound cards...like those pcmia audigy2 cards |
| 02:16:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah |
| 02:16:40 | sharpe | you mean... |
| 02:16:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think that'd really benefit a portable in the way you think it would. |
| 02:16:43 | sharpe | a laptop? |
| 02:16:59 | sharpe | well |
| 02:17:05 | sharpe | only the pcmcia, but still. |
| 02:17:21 | linuxstb | sharpe: How's the Rockbox C64 emulator coming along? |
| 02:17:36 | sharpe | haven't worked on it in a little while |
| 02:17:52 | user01 | is there a nes emulator? |
| 02:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | RoC64? |
| 02:18:06 | sharpe | c64box |
| 02:18:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah, you're no fun. |
| 02:18:15 | sharpe | ;) |
| 02:18:23 | linuxstb | user01: Not in Rockbox. |
| 02:18:59 | user01 | linuxstb: ipodlinux? |
| 02:19:39 | linuxstb | I read in their forums that someone's compiled one for ipodlinux - but it's running extremely slowly. |
| 02:20:19 | user01 | hmmm |
| 02:21:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maaan. |
| 02:21:17 | user01 | i was thinking about the nokia tablet actually instead of a mp3 player, but i heard the battery life isnt great |
| 02:21:39 | linuxstb | The 770? |
| 02:22:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone apparently suggested that they try for a stable "Experimental" build, in which it's 3.0, with the patches, and the only time the build is changed is if there's a new patch or an improvement to an existing one, instead of updating it along with CVS. Is it me, or does that sound like "Let's only included the less-tested code when and where we can." |
| 02:22:29 | user01 | linuxstb: yep |
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| 02:23:30 | user01 | linuxstb: they need to have an ethernet port on the next version |
| 02:24:06 | linuxstb | user01: I've looked at one briefly (a colleague bought one). They seem the perfect size for web browsing and email, but if you want to listen to music, I'm sure a dedicated DAP would be better. |
| 02:24:07 | afruff23 | what needs an ethernet port? |
| 02:24:21 | sharpe | a computer? |
| 02:24:27 | afruff23 | lol |
| 02:24:34 | Presence | everything! |
| 02:24:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ethernet, pshaw. 802.11n or something similar. |
| 02:24:44 | afruff23 | a DAP doesn't need one |
| 02:25:25 | afruff23 | a USB server or always online computer can achieve the same effect as a DAP with ethernet |
| 02:25:35 | afruff23 | always online=always on |
| 02:26:09 | afruff23 | what happened to rockbox 3.0 |
| 02:26:14 | Presence | "usb server"? like the buffalo linkstation? shit, i never thought of that. |
| 02:26:27 | Presence | that i gonnatry tonight. |
| 02:26:33 | afruff23 | a router with a usb port built-in or a separate USB server |
| 02:26:45 | Presence | yeah. |
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| 02:26:59 | linuxstb | afruff23: The 3.0 release schedule has been restructured.... |
| 02:27:14 | afruff23 | is there an ETA yet? |
| 02:27:34 | Presence | dukenukem forever, on rockbox. |
| 02:27:41 | linuxstb | I think the 15th May, with a possiblity of a further delay to 29th May. But 29th May is final. |
| 02:28:29 | user01 | atanks and koules too :) |
| 02:29:21 | afruff23 | IF I have an image, then can i display text on the same line? |
| 02:29:33 | afruff23 | it doesn't scroll |
| 02:29:42 | afruff23 | for the WPS |
| 02:30:32 | linuxstb | I believe so. |
| 02:30:32 | afruff23 | i.e. %xda %it |
| 02:31:10 | user01 | is there a recording feature in rockbox for like the video ipod? |
| 02:31:43 | afruff23 | not yet I believe but it's definitely planned |
| 02:31:58 | afruff23 | the video ipod currently has no mic accessory though |
| 02:32:05 | afruff23 | you would need line-in |
| 02:32:26 | user01 | any speaker can be used as a microphone |
| 02:32:52 | afruff23 | lol, who told you that? |
| 02:33:00 | afruff23 | I think you mean line-in |
| 02:33:02 | user01 | i figured it out when i was 8 :) |
| 02:33:10 | user01 | or 7 or something |
| 02:33:32 | afruff23 | speakers can't be used as microphones |
| 02:33:42 | user01 | yes they can :p |
| 02:33:55 | afruff23 | can any third party please comment |
| 02:34:29 | afruff23 | So, I can use my TV speaker to record if it has the software? |
| 02:34:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: If you shout into a speaker plugged into a line-in or mic-port, it will pick up audio. Pretty crappy in most cases, but it'll work. |
| 02:35:17 | afruff23 | pretty crappy as in mostly static or pretty crappy like a built-in mic? |
| 02:35:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I honestly don't remember. |
| 02:36:09 | afruff23 | does the iPod even have a line-in |
| 02:36:10 | user01 | it worked ok on my boombox |
| 02:36:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I discovered it when I was like 11 or 12 years old, and that was about the last time I've done it too. But other people talk about it here 'n there. |
| 02:36:19 | afruff23 | without an accessory |
| 02:36:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Some iPods' headphone jack doubles as a line in. |
| 02:37:00 | linuxstb | Most of the ipods have a line-in in the dock connector. |
| 02:37:02 | afruff23 | because a lot of accessories communicate with the iPod in a proprietary fashion |
| 02:37:11 | linuxstb | (plus the headphone socket thing...) |
| 02:37:14 | afruff23 | and that's going to have to be reverse-engineered I believe |
| 02:37:26 | linuxstb | You don't need an accessory. |
| 02:37:33 | user01 | does rockbox support the dock? |
| 02:37:34 | afruff23 | ok |
| 02:37:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Well the line in and line outs on the dock connector don't require any accessory protocol stuff |
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| 02:39:55 | afruff23 | bmp is lossless right? |
| 02:40:15 | ze | bmp is typically uncompressed |
| 02:40:19 | ze | afaik |
| 02:40:45 | dwihno | there is some rle variant, I think |
| 02:40:50 | afruff23 | I didn't say compressed |
| 02:40:50 | ze | yeah |
| 02:40:54 | afruff23 | I said lossless |
| 02:41:15 | ze | well when does lossyness come into play except in compression? |
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| 02:41:38 | ze | lossy and uncompressed would just be horrible and pointless |
| 02:41:39 | ze | :p |
| 02:41:56 | afruff23 | there is lossless compression |
| 02:42:12 | ze | right |
| 02:42:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | But saying "It's uncompressed" is a means of answering the lossless question. |
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| 02:42:29 | ze | and if its uncompressed, it's "lossless" by default |
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| 02:43:14 | afruff23 | but he said it's typically uncompressed |
| 02:43:20 | afruff23 | implying it might be compressed |
| 02:43:55 | ze | in a sense, though its not quite accurate, since questions of lossynes or losslessnes pertain to compression... with an absense of compression, there's nothing there to be lossless or not |
| 02:44:15 | ze | well if you know its not compressed, then why even bother asking if its lossless? |
| 02:44:18 | ze | heh |
| 02:44:26 | afruff23 | I didn't know that |
| 02:44:34 | ze | heh |
| 02:44:50 | ze | anyway, i think rle is lossless compression anyway (not entirely certain, but pretty sure) |
| 02:45:20 | ze | so either way, its either lossless, or its not but not lossy still |
| 02:45:23 | ze | :p |
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| 02:47:05 | afruff23 | does the UIsimulator by default support 24-bit WPSes? |
| 02:47:14 | afruff23 | for color targets that is |
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| 02:48:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:48:13 | afruff23 | thanks |
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| 02:52:01 | dwihno | afruff23: sorry, too tired to answer questions :) |
| 02:54:59 | afruff23 | I can put all image dispalys on one lien and it won't affect my WPS correct? |
| 02:55:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think it should |
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| 02:55:54 | afruff23 | that should save a few bytes |
| 02:56:05 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 02:57:36 | JdGordon | is any1 that knows about compileing the cross compiler around? |
| 02:58:58 | user01 | would the APPLE IPOD COLOR 60GB 4th gen model be supported? |
| 02:59:04 | JdGordon | op.. dw.. found my answer :p |
| 02:59:10 | JdGordon | yes it is |
| 02:59:19 | user01 | i see the 4th generation band w |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:07 | user01 | 249 for a like new version |
| 03:00:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: We support everything from the 4G grayscale up, and then the Mini 1st and 2nd G. |
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| 03:02:41 | afruff23 | Can anybody recomend any 10 pixel high fonts? |
| 03:02:49 | afruff23 | Is that small? |
| 03:02:53 | user01 | can you use the ipod like a flash disk then under rockbox? |
| 03:03:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: Well, you could use it like one normally. Under Rockbox, you can transfer music to it just by dropping it on like a disk |
| 03:03:48 | afruff23 | user01, only if you have a Nano |
| 03:03:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: I'd say that depends on the screen |
| 03:03:50 | afruff23 | :) |
| 03:04:30 | afruff23 | short answer: yes it shows up as a disk drive |
| 03:04:46 | afruff23 | paul, on the X% |
| 03:04:51 | user01 | can you format it to like xfs file system? |
| 03:04:52 | afruff23 | that has soem big pixels |
| 03:05:00 | afruff23 | no |
| 03:05:17 | afruff23 | just fat32 |
| 03:05:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: I find 10 to be too tall for my tastes on the iRiver H120, which is the same number of pixels as the X5 |
| 03:06:25 | afruff23 | so it's big? |
| 03:06:34 | afruff23 | what's normal size? |
| 03:07:05 | afruff23 | 8 px high? |
| 03:08:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It all depends on what you prefer. |
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| 03:08:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, 10 is probably "Normal" for you' |
| 03:08:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I use the rockbox_default font, which is I think 8? |
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| 03:12:52 | user01 | is there a chart that shows all the features f rockbox? |
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| 03:13:28 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 03:13:46 | afruff23 | that's an incomplete chart by the way |
| 03:13:52 | afruff23 | far from complete |
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| 03:16:27 | stevenm | Hello. Weird bug in the MIDI codec. I will look into it in a bit, maybe you guys have some insights. |
| 03:17:01 | stevenm | You play a file six times. It will work. Seventh time, you hear pops but no music. Eigth time, it locks up during loading, hard lockup, not even backlight turns off |
| 03:17:29 | stevenm | It is the same, with files that are small and large, those that need a little bit of instruments and those who that need a whole bunch of instruments to be loaded |
| 03:17:53 | stevenm | Tested five times. Always the same result, always plays six times, seventh is silence / pops, eigth is hard lock. |
| 03:18:17 | stevenm | If you power off and then back on after 6 attempts, the cycle resets - you get 6 more plays before silence is heard. |
| 03:18:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, memory leak of some sort? |
| 03:18:35 | stevenm | I have no idea |
| 03:18:42 | user01 | there are no games for rockbox on ipod? |
| 03:18:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: What gave you that idea? |
| 03:19:09 | stevenm | I have to do compsci with someone right now, but I thought I'd throw that out there for you guys if anyone has insight as to WHY this is happening. First I will comment out DSP code and try again.. but any ideas guys? |
| 03:19:13 | user01 | the apple chart you gave me |
| 03:19:19 | scorche | <afruff23> that's an incomplete chart by the way |
| 03:19:20 | scorche | <afruff23> far from complete |
| 03:19:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: What in that table says there *aren't* games for Apple? |
| 03:20:15 | afruff23 | I just wanted to emphasize that it's far from complete |
| 03:20:21 | user01 | they are listed next to archos and iriver and then down below there istn teh game row for it |
| 03:20:29 | stevenm | any ideas on that bug? pm or contact in irc.. i will be back in a while |
| 03:20:43 | user01 | afruff23: though i guess the list is far from complete |
| 03:20:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | user01: You may notice they aren't listed in the iRiver specific section either. Just in the general section |
| 03:21:11 | user01 | well i didnt know if that meant they werent available for those 2 brands |
| 03:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there's an iRiver column in the first table where "games" are listed. :-P |
| 03:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Plus, our PluginIndex tells which games and plugins work on which targets. You should really just wander our site for a while |
| 03:22:41 | user01 | yes i thought the table Generic was one set of features for just those players |
| 03:23:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Generic" tends to mean "Not player specific." |
| 03:23:48 | Davide-NYC | preglow in the house? |
| 03:28:44 | afruff23 | this will display nothing if the title for the next song is not available yet, correct? |
| 03:28:44 | afruff23 | %It |
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| 03:32:51 | afruff23 | the $al tag is basically useless |
| 03:32:58 | afruff23 | sicne everythign is aligned left by default |
| 03:33:05 | afruff23 | am I correct? |
| 03:33:09 | user01 | you can replace the battery in 5g models? |
| 03:33:21 | user01 | can=cant? |
| 03:33:51 | scorche | can, but they can be a PITA to open |
| 03:33:53 | BHSPitMonkey | why not |
| 03:33:56 | afruff23 | You can relace th ebattery for any device |
| 03:34:02 | afruff23 | the* |
| 03:34:05 | afruff23 | replace* |
| 03:34:08 | BHSPitMonkey | shouldn't be much different from the other similar models |
| 03:34:13 | BHSPitMonkey | just need a kit |
| 03:34:31 | user01 | oh the wikipedia said the newer models have i soldered to the board |
| 03:35:13 | user01 | However exchanging the battery in the fifth-generation iPod may not be possible as some reviewers including arstechnica.com noted that the battery in iPod nano is soldered to the mainboard |
| 03:35:31 | BHSPitMonkey | ... that's a nano, fruitcake. |
| 03:35:56 | user01 | -generation iPod it is more difficult to remove because it is "actually affixed to the metal backplate and sits above its own power management circuitry and right next to the headphone port and its driver circuitry |
| 03:38:16 | BHSPitMonkey | "affixed to backplate" doesn't equal "soldered to PCB" |
| 03:38:22 | user01 | nope |
| 03:38:33 | JdGordon | tick tock.. some1 entertain meee |
| 03:38:42 | * | scorche unzips |
| 03:39:15 | user01 | is ipod color the same as ipod photo? |
| 03:39:54 | BHSPitMonkey | for the most part. |
| 03:40:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're the same. |
| 03:41:28 | BHSPitMonkey | besides various differences in the LCD... |
| 03:41:35 | BHSPitMonkey | s/various/minor/ |
| 03:43:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, how 'bout "As a user of Rockbox, they're the same to you." |
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| 03:55:14 | user01 | is Archos AV500 Mobile DVR is supported? |
| 03:56:29 | scorche | no |
| 03:57:16 | JdGordon | arm gcc is taking too long to compile.... |
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| 03:59:59 | maeck | JdGordon: Why? |
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| 04:03:02 | sharpe | garrrr! |
| 04:03:46 | maeck | sharpe: Did your parrot lang on your right shoulder? |
| 04:03:50 | maeck | lang == land |
| 04:03:56 | sharpe | no... |
| 04:04:14 | sharpe | nor am i doing anything with piracy. |
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| 04:04:50 | maeck | how is the c84 coming? |
| 04:04:57 | JdGordon | maeck: noit really.. i was just being impatient... |
| 04:04:57 | maeck | c64 ofcourse |
| 04:05:08 | sharpe | eh... about the same as it was when i stopped working on it for a bit |
| 04:05:20 | maeck | oh |
| 04:05:25 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 04:05:43 | JdGordon | any linux ppl around? i just added a user with useradd but that users .bashrc isnt being run when they login..? |
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| 04:06:12 | nave7693 | JdGordon: it might be .bash_profile. |
| 04:06:18 | sharpe | you should run... usersetbashrc! |
| 04:06:51 | maeck | sharpe: I did hack the graphical menu in. However, keys are behaving oddly (my fault) and need to do some serious cleanup in the menu.c |
| 04:07:04 | sharpe | that sounds like so much fun :) |
| 04:07:15 | maeck | and am trying to get it working on the greyscale targets |
| 04:07:37 | maeck | actually, is there such thing? Is Rockbox 1 or 16 bit and nothing in between? |
| 04:07:47 | maeck | from a colour perspective that is |
| 04:08:11 | sharpe | i'm not too sure |
| 04:09:09 | maeck | I thougt I had seen 4 bit bitmaps in the plugins folder. However, lcd16bit does only colour or black/white |
| 04:09:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: The primary UI is one or 16 I *think*. The WPS is 1, 2, or 16. Some plugins have the grayscale lib, which is umm... something-bit. |
| 04:09:47 | JdGordon | 2bit isnt it? |
| 04:09:56 | sharpe | <a number between zero and infinity>-bit |
| 04:10:34 | maeck | how many bits should I set to 1 to get infinity? |
| 04:11:01 | sharpe | i'd go with... |
| 04:11:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: No, the grayscale lib gives you thirty-something (39?) shades of Gray if I recall |
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| 04:12:12 | sharpe | about... 2^inf bits... |
| 04:12:17 | maeck | Which target has 5 bits of gray? |
| 04:12:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: Any colour bitmap (which should be 8 or 24) will be scaled to whatever the screen natively supports when used in plugins, I believe. Any one-bit that's saved in the mono folder gets treated as a proper mono bitmap and uses FG colour. |
| 04:13:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | By 'natively' I mean, 2 or 16 bit, so far. |
| 04:13:24 | sharpe | lets get a 24 bit DAP |
| 04:13:46 | maeck | WHat I am trying to understand is the number of lcd*.c files I have to modify to hack a scalable bitmap in. |
| 04:13:56 | maeck | 24bits is so 2005 |
| 04:14:19 | afruff23 | Enlighten me what is now? |
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| 04:14:38 | afruff23 | is there even higher bit bitmaps? |
| 04:14:56 | chazman24 | hey |
| 04:15:20 | maeck | only professional graphics solutions work with something like 64 bits internal (like Maya, Photoshop and even obscurer tools) |
| 04:15:25 | chazman24 | i love rockbox |
| 04:15:30 | maeck | we too |
| 04:15:59 | chazman24 | iPod+Rockbox |
| 04:16:01 | afruff23 | so why would you need 64 bit bitmaps if nothing can use it? |
| 04:16:04 | chazman24 | =love |
| 04:16:18 | maeck | we do not have to. Why, it was just a loose comment |
| 04:16:42 | maeck | actually, most of the colour DAPs are only 16bit. |
| 04:16:55 | afruff23 | IAudio X5L + Rockbox+ dual-boot(still waiting)= DAP nirvana |
| 04:16:56 | chazman24 | except 5g iPod |
| 04:17:05 | maeck | why, that is still 16bit |
| 04:17:06 | chazman24 | lol maeck |
| 04:17:08 | sharpe | i've got it!! |
| 04:17:12 | sharpe | 3 bit color. |
| 04:17:24 | afruff23 | aren't all colour targets 24 bit? |
| 04:17:28 | chazman24 | yay! |
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| 04:17:39 | afruff23 | excuse me |
| 04:17:41 | afruff23 | color* |
| 04:17:47 | maeck | 64000 colours or something = 16bits |
| 04:17:50 | afruff23 | turning british |
| 04:17:57 | afruff23 | the X5 has 262K |
| 04:17:59 | maeck | 65384 colours |
| 04:18:20 | afruff23 | so how many bits is that? |
| 04:18:29 | maeck | 18 |
| 04:18:44 | sharpe | eh |
| 04:19:00 | afruff23 | So then there are no 24 bit targets? |
| 04:19:02 | sharpe | i think i'm going to go to sleep... see if i won't be so incoherent tomorrow... |
| 04:19:06 | afruff23 | iPod has same number I believe |
| 04:19:20 | sharpe | g'night every people |
| 04:19:28 | maeck | could be. Rockbox converts the images to 16 bits. |
| 04:19:31 | maeck | bye sharpe |
| 04:19:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | 65536 actually |
| 04:20:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox converts down to 16-bit on the 18-bit targets. |
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| 04:21:20 | afruff23 | so then what's the use for 24 bit WPSes? |
| 04:21:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because we don't support 16-bit BMP files? |
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| 04:23:18 | rotator | afruff23: try to find software that can create 16bit BMPs, it's not easy ;) |
| 04:23:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | 24-bit is just easier to work with too. 8bits per colour. |
| 04:24:06 | rotator | that too |
| 04:24:57 | afruff23 | irfanview works with 24 bpp |
| 04:25:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | 24bpp is common, as we said. |
| 04:25:34 | afruff23 | is 16 bpp not supported because it's an "odd number" |
| 04:25:36 | afruff23 | so to speak |
| 04:26:02 | maeck | okay, so far I have found lcd bitmap draw functions for 1, 2 and 16 bit images. None that do 4 or 5 bits. Any targets that do more that white, light grey, dark grey and black (except for colour targets)? |
| 04:26:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: As I said, only using the grayscale library. |
| 04:26:40 | maeck | sometimes 16 bit is scaled to 15 bit + alpha bit (5 bits for RGB) |
| 04:27:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: It's less that, than why even bother to support 16bpp? 24bpp means that future targes with better colour depth (if we ever support it) can use WPSes made now without a problem, leaving 16-bit out saves a wee bit of code, and then 8 and 1 cover paletted bitmaps and mono-bitmaps. |
| 04:27:37 | maeck | Paul_The_Nerd: and and by greyscale library you mean? |
| 04:28:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: The grayscale library... it's used in a few plugins to allow greater than 2bpp on 2-bit LCDs. |
| 04:28:27 | maeck | so that is not in firmware/drivers |
| 04:28:29 | jnc | maeck: the most data intensive formats for raw cinematic video footage only use 48-bits |
| 04:28:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | maeck: No, it's not used in the core. |
| 04:28:36 | jnc | that's the super wasteful highend stuff |
| 04:28:51 | jnc | 32-bits and 16-bits for alpha IIRC |
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| 04:29:50 | maeck | jnc: it is only useful if you do a lot of math on the colours. So you do not loose subtile colour differences. That is right. That is why 3d rendering uses 24 bit internally, and shows the final in 24 bit |
| 04:30:45 | jnc | okay. yes i heard of this "wasteful" format to be used when changing lighting conditions of a movie scene after it was shot, without altering the actual colour values |
| 04:31:22 | jnc | wild stuff. that would be nice to see on consumer digital cameras |
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| 04:32:18 | maeck | jnc: isnt it so that even decent image chips in digital cameras cannot capture true 8R 8G 8B? |
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| 04:33:33 | maeck | Paul_The_Nerd: Seems like the greyscale lib will not serve my purpose. 16 bit colour or 2 bit grey scale or 1 bit it will be. |
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| 04:49:53 | jnc | maeck: yeah |
| 04:50:03 | jnc | maeck: they don't capture a single pixel |
| 04:50:22 | jnc | it's an interpolation of red, green, green, green, and blue |
| 04:50:51 | jnc | compare that to say, a favvon x3 sensor, which captures varying depths of light through a substrate |
| 04:51:07 | jnc | it registers light to a single point on the sensor plane accurately |
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| 05:05:43 | maeck | jnc: and do you know why there is more green than red or blue? |
| 05:06:06 | jnc | something to do with the way humans view colours |
| 05:06:14 | jnc | it's related to the receptors in eyeballs |
| 05:06:15 | maeck | jnc: yeah, because we can see more colour difference in the green-blue-ish spectrum |
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| 05:06:38 | maeck | good stuff |
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| 05:21:39 | afruff23 | is there any easy way to debug WPS code? |
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| 05:35:14 | afruff23 | can somebody please debug 5 lines of WPS code please? |
| 05:35:23 | afruff23 | where can I post it? |
| 05:38:05 | afruff23 | where can I host a small zip file? |
| 05:38:14 | afruff23 | it's less than 5 KB |
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| 05:54:48 | dranyam | C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\rockbox>ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 boo |
| 05:54:48 | dranyam | tpartition.bin |
| 05:54:48 | dranyam | 'ipod_fw' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 05:54:48 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dranyam |
| 05:54:48 | dranyam | operable program or batch file. |
| 05:54:52 | dranyam | :/ |
| 05:54:59 | dranyam | any idea what ive done wrong there |
| 05:55:08 | dranyam | i was going fine up until that step |
| 05:55:19 | dranyam | on a monochrome 4g ipod |
| 05:56:34 | midkay | forgetting a .exe? |
| 05:57:06 | midkay | or you don't have ipod_fw in that dir.. |
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| 06:00:21 | dranyam | im just going straight from the wiki |
| 06:00:22 | dranyam | :/ |
| 06:00:44 | midkay | try a .exe. |
| 06:01:19 | dranyam | ipod_fw.exe |
| 06:01:20 | dranyam | ? |
| 06:01:27 | midkay | yes. |
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| 06:16:38 | KimHyunChol | . |
| 06:16:54 | KimHyunChol | hi..? |
| 06:17:04 | midkay | hi... |
| 06:17:50 | KimHyunChol | ! |
| 06:17:50 | | Nick KimHyunChol is now known as KimHC (i=jkoio@218.49.52.82) |
| 06:18:48 | KimHC | so silently... |
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| 06:20:24 | midkay | many people are asleep.. |
| 06:20:42 | KimHC | uh.. |
| 06:20:54 | dranyam | so if i explore my ipod |
| 06:20:59 | dranyam | thats not the root dir |
| 06:20:59 | dranyam | ? |
| 06:21:02 | KimHC | midkay, where you from..? |
| 06:21:05 | dranyam | it will take me to in windows |
| 06:21:06 | midkay | sure it is. |
| 06:21:12 | dranyam | soo |
| 06:21:18 | dranyam | when i installed rockbock |
| 06:21:25 | dranyam | it would go in with contacts |
| 06:21:27 | dranyam | and calendar |
| 06:21:28 | dranyam | ? |
| 06:21:30 | midkay | KimHC, i'm in seattle, WA, USA. many devs are far away.. |
| 06:21:43 | midkay | dranyam, contacts and calendar? what? |
| 06:22:02 | KimHC | oh..:) |
| 06:24:10 | dranyam | better question |
| 06:24:22 | dranyam | how do i set up itunes to view my ipod as a disk |
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| 06:24:33 | midkay | itunes doesn't view your ipod as a disk. |
| 06:24:38 | midkay | everything else does. windows.. |
| 06:24:45 | dranyam | To install (or upgrade) Rockbox you need to attach your iPod to your PC via USB, ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk, and then unzip rockbox.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod. |
| 06:25:02 | dranyam | just followin the wiki |
| 06:25:51 | midkay | ah, that. do you see your iPod in 'my computer'? |
| 06:25:58 | dranyam | yes |
| 06:26:03 | midkay | then you're fine |
| 06:26:07 | dranyam | butis that the actual root dir |
| 06:26:08 | dranyam | ? |
| 06:26:17 | dranyam | cause i dont see my music |
| 06:26:22 | dranyam | that is already on the ipod |
| 06:27:26 | KimHC | do i can make firmware of iriver D20? |
| 06:27:43 | midkay | dranyam, you shouldn't be able to. |
| 06:27:48 | midkay | it's hidden away.. |
| 06:27:56 | dranyam | ok |
| 06:27:57 | dranyam | sooo |
| 06:28:00 | dranyam | then |
| 06:28:05 | dranyam | do i just throw these two files in there |
| 06:28:08 | dranyam | ? |
| 06:28:09 | dranyam | and shaboom |
| 06:28:10 | dranyam | she works |
| 06:28:14 | midkay | a folder and a file. yes. |
| 06:28:24 | dranyam | or do they have to be in one of those hidden folders |
| 06:28:29 | dranyam | ? |
| 06:28:45 | midkay | right in the root as the instructions say. |
| 06:29:02 | dranyam | ok |
| 06:29:05 | dranyam | gotcha |
| 06:29:10 | dranyam | just didnt wanna fuq it up |
| 06:29:15 | midkay | KimHC, can *you*? depends on your level of skill with hardware, disassembly, low-level coding and such :) |
| 06:29:17 | midkay | :) |
| 06:29:39 | dranyam | now to figure out how to navigate to the music |
| 06:30:29 | midkay | you want to use TagCache for that.. |
| 06:30:53 | midkay | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 06:31:49 | KimHC | sorry but i can't english ..^^;; |
| 06:32:01 | dranyam | so i gotta install something else just to play music |
| 06:32:02 | dranyam | :/ |
| 06:32:50 | KimHC | could you say again more easy? |
| 06:33:13 | midkay | KimHC, you need a lot of programming and hardware skills |
| 06:33:24 | midkay | dranyam, sigh, no, read the page please. |
| 06:33:49 | KimHC | hm.. |
| 06:35:01 | KimHC | i have little hardware skill |
| 06:35:10 | KimHC | but programming... |
| 06:35:14 | KimHC | T^T |
| 06:35:30 | midkay | yes? no? :) |
| 06:35:39 | KimHC | no T^T |
| 06:35:58 | midkay | you're just going to have to wait until somebody else does it, then :) |
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| 06:35:59 | * | BHSPitLappy tries to figure out meaning in that last little coloquialism |
| 06:36:00 | KimHC | is it hard? to learn? |
| 06:36:24 | KimHC | oh.. yes..... |
| 06:36:37 | midkay | KimHC, yes, it's quite hard, i'd imagine. |
| 06:37:02 | KimHC | Thanks midkay :) |
| 06:37:09 | midkay | no problem |
| 06:37:13 | KimHC | a |
| 06:37:22 | KimHC | do you know d20? |
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| 06:38:33 | midkay | no |
| 06:39:10 | KimHC | uh;; |
| 06:40:06 | KimHC | D20 is dictionary player, manufactured by iriver |
| 06:40:34 | midkay | looks very cool |
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| 06:42:11 | KimHC | D20 of efficiency is gooooooooooood!! but firmware is too bad |
| 06:42:44 | gDI | hello |
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| 06:43:04 | KimHC | so consumers has many disaffection. |
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| 06:45:19 | gDI | hello |
| 06:45:34 | KimHC | hi |
| 06:46:10 | gDI | im having trouble installing rockbox on my 5g ipod and am looking for some help... |
| 06:46:23 | gDI | basically, i dont know how to... |
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| 06:46:43 | * | midkay waits for it |
| 06:47:03 | gDI | anyone know how? |
| 06:47:17 | midkay | go to the wiki, then IpodPort, then IpodInstallation. |
| 06:47:57 | gDI | thanks |
| 06:49:14 | KimHC | :) midkay is good men |
| 06:49:24 | KimHC | i have to go now |
| 06:49:25 | midkay | :) |
| 06:49:29 | midkay | see you |
| 06:49:34 | KimHC | have a nice day~ |
| 06:49:50 | midkay | you too :) |
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| 06:56:32 | stevenm | got my bug tracked down a bit.. its somewhere in the init code |
| 06:56:52 | stevenm | guys- question- if a plugin opens files but does not close them, what will happen? |
| 06:59:56 | stevenm | does someone clean up after, or no? |
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| 07:07:04 | blind | So, to anyone who remembers my prior problem, I've charged my iPod for well over 8 hours, and it still won't turn on. |
| 07:07:35 | jnc | is it crashed? |
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| 07:07:45 | jnc | hold down menu and play button for more than 4 seconds |
| 07:07:48 | jnc | don't press too hard |
| 07:07:49 | blind | gives me the infamous sad ipod icon. |
| 07:07:57 | goffa | clean the connectors? |
| 07:07:58 | blind | it won't boot into disc mode. |
| 07:08:02 | stevenm | oop never mind. fixed the midi bug. file descriptor leak in loader. will commit in a little bit. does anyone mind? |
| 07:08:08 | jnc | it's possible your iPod is tosted. |
| 07:08:09 | blind | no, it's been charging, it's just not working. |
| 07:08:21 | jnc | s/tost/toast/ |
| 07:08:22 | jnc | :( |
| 07:08:25 | blind | thanks, captain obvious. |
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| 07:10:33 | midkay | blind, won't turn on as in blank LCD or what? |
| 07:10:50 | blind | <blind> gives me the infamous sad ipod icon. |
| 07:11:13 | midkay | whenever you attempt to turn it on? |
| 07:11:20 | blind | correct. |
| 07:11:28 | midkay | weird.. |
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| 07:15:51 | scorche | midkay: =] |
| 07:16:13 | midkay | scorche? :) |
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| 07:27:37 | blind | i love barcardip. |
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| 07:40:36 | dranyam | where do you guys put your music |
| 07:40:37 | dranyam | ? |
| 07:41:05 | B4gder | on the hard drive! |
| 07:41:09 | dranyam | well duh |
| 07:41:10 | dranyam | but like |
| 07:41:15 | dranyam | how is it organized |
| 07:41:22 | Mikachu | /Music/artist/album/file.ogg |
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| 07:41:29 | dranyam | inside of anything |
| 07:41:29 | B4gder | I use genre/artist/album/song |
| 07:41:31 | guruz | hello |
| 07:41:40 | dranyam | or i can just make a folder called music |
| 07:41:47 | dranyam | out in the middle of root |
| 07:42:01 | Mikachu | it's most convenient to have it there |
| 07:42:34 | dranyam | nm |
| 07:42:47 | dranyam | i just answered that question myself |
| 07:42:53 | dranyam | thanks for all your help tonight guys |
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| 07:46:41 | hardeep | Hmmmm, I don't think Bug #5072 (Bookmarking does not work in connection with Tag Cache Database). You can't create bookmarks for dynamic playlists which is what the tag cache needs to use |
| 07:46:57 | hardeep | er, that should be: Bug #5072 shouldn't be a 3.0 blocker |
| 07:47:56 | amiconn | morning :) |
| 07:48:09 | hardeep | good morning |
| 07:49:25 | B4gder | I agree hardeep |
| 07:49:54 | amiconn | B4gder: hanging build... |
| 07:50:47 | B4gder | thanks |
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| 07:51:50 | amiconn | hardeep: Why can't this work? |
| 07:52:23 | hardeep | amiconn: we would need to include the .playlist_control file in the bookmark |
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| 07:52:41 | amiconn | Bookmarking works for dynamic playlists created from a directory. What's the difference between dynamic playlists created in directory view and dynamic playlists created from tagcache? |
| 07:53:07 | Nerys | does rockbox allow direct usb mass storage support and drag and drop mp3 transfer with no software required ? |
| 07:53:09 | hardeep | for dirplay we just need to remember the directory and index |
| 07:53:41 | amiconn | ah |
| 07:54:07 | B4gder | Nerys: its not really rockbox that allows it, but yes |
| 07:54:19 | amiconn | Hmm, still would be nice to have bookmarking for dynamic playlists. It would pro |
| 07:54:28 | Nerys | thanks B4gder can you clarify ? |
| 07:54:28 | amiconn | bably require a new bookmark format. |
| 07:54:30 | hardeep | yeah, it's something i've been meaning to add |
| 07:54:34 | stevenm | whats the deal with the buildserver? is it just real slow, or did i break that too ? |
| 07:54:39 | amiconn | (but I agree that it's not a 3.0 blocker) |
| 07:54:59 | B4gder | Nerys: I mean, its a UMS device and you can use it as you want. but rockbox supports playing music you transfer to it using the UMS |
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| 07:55:47 | B4gder | stevenm: just a case of "hanging build" - a flaw in the build system that occurs from time to time |
| 07:55:57 | B4gder | and then I need to kill it |
| 07:56:17 | stevenm | B4gder, ah ok. |
| 07:56:32 | stevenm | B4gder, i thought i made it red or something |
| 07:56:52 | Nerys | UMS ? google shows me something about USB <ass Stprage as an external hard drive. here is my issue. I dont like DRM :-) I imagine I am not unique in this forum on that issue. I dont want to have to install special drivers and software. I want to connect the USB cable get a driver letter and just dump my mp3 folders into the unit. will this allow that ? no playlists etc.. just open a folder... |
| 07:56:53 | Nerys | ...and say "go" |
| 07:58:04 | B4gder | UMS == USB mass storage |
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| 08:01:26 | amiconn | lovely... |
| 08:02:12 | stevenm | well good morning campers |
| 08:04:27 | midkay | haha. |
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| 08:06:14 | stevenm | oh, anyone know why in iriver h300 the volume displayed up top is negative ? |
| 08:07:12 | B4gder | stevenm: welcome to the db scale discussion |
| 08:07:19 | B4gder | dB even |
| 08:07:33 | stevenm | B4gder, oh noes |
| 08:07:47 | B4gder | 0 is line level |
| 08:08:07 | stevenm | i been busy with my own bug.. no time :( |
| 08:08:31 | stevenm | why not switch to normal scale? it wouldnt confuse people so much? or an option? |
| 08:08:42 | stevenm | not everyday you see an mp3 player that shows volume in db scale |
| 08:08:56 | B4gder | we've discussed this to death already |
| 08:09:08 | B4gder | dB has a meaning |
| 08:09:11 | B4gder | no other scale has |
| 08:09:30 | stevenm | dang |
| 08:09:43 | stevenm | maybe wps needs to put a dB next to it or something. but i digress |
| 08:09:51 | RedBreva | Morning All... Any iPod 5G users about? I could do with the themes downloaded from http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_320x240x16.html being tested on real hardware. I have tried them on the sim and they *seem* OK.. |
| 08:10:05 | stevenm | any chance you could kill that build for me? if i broke something, i really wanna fix it before too many people get mad |
| 08:10:27 | B4gder | stevenm: i already did, but it won't start a new build until next commit |
| 08:10:47 | stevenm | B4gder, ah, alright, thanks. should i commit something trivial then? |
| 08:10:56 | B4gder | sure |
| 08:12:01 | midkay | RedBreva, perfect timing, i just screwed over my 5g :) |
| 08:12:05 | midkay | got to reinstall many themes.. |
| 08:12:20 | RedBreva | hehehe, I am sorry for your loss :D |
| 08:12:36 | midkay | not too big a deal anyways :) |
| 08:12:38 | stevenm | B4gder, builds away! |
| 08:12:40 | midkay | mostly everything backed up.. |
| 08:14:35 | hardeep | i think we should change the default theme for 3.0, at least for the iRiver and iPod devices |
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| 08:15:07 | RedBreva | Any probs with those themes, let me know... I only have a couple of hours this morning, afterthat I won't be on the PC for a day or two - Hernia Surgery this afternoon :( |
| 08:15:31 | Galois | hardeep: my only "request" would be to make sure the default theme supports all fonts that rockbox ships |
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| 08:15:42 | midkay | RedBreva, :( |
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| 08:16:02 | RedBreva | or at least change the default font? |
| 08:16:18 | hardeep | Galois: Why restrict to that? You can always select a new theme that changes the font |
| 08:16:32 | Galois | why ship a font if literally no theme shipped supports it? |
| 08:16:46 | Galois | right now many of the fonts in rockbox literally only work with the default theme |
| 08:18:11 | hardeep | the current default theme will still be available for people who want to use those fonts |
| 08:18:39 | Galois | that's a halfway solution... |
| 08:18:59 | hardeep | and the default theme is still good on the archos players |
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| 08:19:05 | midkay | btw, was it B4gder who suggested Boxes as the default? |
| 08:19:27 | B4gder | no |
| 08:19:38 | B4gder | for color devices I'd suggest a more colorful default |
| 08:19:47 | Galois | boxes is one of the least compatible, font-wise |
| 08:19:50 | midkay | hm, i wonder who it was.. |
| 08:19:55 | midkay | Galois, true.. |
| 08:19:59 | B4gder | midkay: why does it matter? |
| 08:20:26 | midkay | B4gder, because i thought it was a rather good suggestion. someone here suggested it.. that kind of motivated me to make a 320x240 version. |
| 08:21:19 | stevenm | B4gder, yay, all green |
| 08:22:08 | Galois | most of the CustomWPSs use a 13 pixel font of some sort. This would be the font size to choose if you must have a graphical default wps with fixed font sizes. |
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| 08:24:19 | B4gder | I don't think the default needs to be very fancy, just a little less ugly than today |
| 08:26:30 | midkay | RedBreva, downloaded about half the themes, tried about half the ones i downloaded, working fine.. |
| 08:26:52 | RedBreva | Cool... Thanks for that.. |
| 08:27:43 | RedBreva | Do you use any of the Album-Art patches/WPS ? |
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| 08:27:59 | amiconn | Slasheri ? |
| 08:28:16 | midkay | RedBreva, no, i don't |
| 08:28:34 | RedBreva | Ok, I will have to patch the sim to try them then :D |
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| 08:29:02 | midkay | or just not include them? :) since it's unofficial it seems rather useless to include them there.. |
| 08:29:35 | B4gder | lots of people use them |
| 08:29:36 | RedBreva | Well you could put that argument against the 5G WPS's in total...! |
| 08:29:48 | RedBreva | and all the other iPods |
| 08:29:57 | midkay | is this for 3.0 or what? |
| 08:30:40 | midkay | they're fine to keep if it's not, but if this is like a 3.0 "wps list", the albumart ones are *not* compatible and i don't think they should be on that list.. maybe in another "custom build" category or something.. |
| 08:31:09 | Galois | the rockbox wiki also has albumart ones intermingled with the rest |
| 08:31:12 | B4gder | I consider it "The Rockbox Themes Site" |
| 08:31:18 | B4gder | not connected to any release at all |
| 08:31:22 | RedBreva | Mainly, it's just a tidier, and more controlled method of presenting WPS's than the wiki... many of those are broken |
| 08:32:08 | midkay | Galois, well, that should be changed or specified.. |
| 08:32:31 | midkay | anyways, /me withdraws his opinion. :) |
| 08:32:41 | B4gder | in some camps the album-art patch is widely used |
| 08:33:05 | midkay | camps? |
| 08:33:13 | B4gder | like in the MR camp |
| 08:33:24 | midkay | B4gder, i fully understand that.. |
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| 08:33:36 | midkay | if this is going to be provided with 3.0, however.. that should be changed. |
| 08:33:47 | B4gder | they're not |
| 08:33:51 | B4gder | that's just a themes site |
| 08:33:56 | midkay | at least categorized into "works with 3.0" and "requires unoffical patch" or something. |
| 08:33:57 | B4gder | it has nothing to do with 3.0 |
| 08:34:06 | midkay | B4gder, alright, so, i withdrew my opinion. :) |
| 08:34:29 | B4gder | for included themes we of course need stricter requirements |
| 08:34:42 | * | midkay nods |
| 08:35:14 | midkay | btw, before i forget, did you catch that "source" icon i threw together? |
| 08:35:15 | RedBreva | are there any docs that specify the requirments for WPS's? |
| 08:36:23 | B4gder | there are no requirements |
| 08:37:01 | B4gder | since they're just custom layouts |
| 08:37:04 | RedBreva | oopps, I meant themes |
| 08:37:27 | B4gder | I don't understand anyway |
| 08:37:33 | B4gder | what could a requirement be? |
| 08:37:53 | RedBreva | <B4gder>for included themes we of course need stricter requirements |
| 08:38:15 | midkay | (that last message was directed at B4gder *nudge nudge shove shove shove stab*) ;) |
| 08:38:17 | B4gder | aha you're talking about bundled themes now? |
| 08:38:42 | B4gder | then of course they need to use only tags we support |
| 08:39:03 | RedBreva | ie non-patched |
| 08:39:08 | B4gder | and I would like us to provide a similar set for all platforms |
| 08:39:12 | B4gder | like we do with boxes now |
| 08:39:26 | B4gder | like 3 themes for each target |
| 08:39:43 | B4gder | and then direct people to the themes site for further extravaganza |
| 08:40:15 | * | midkay is leaving in a huff. night. :) |
| 08:40:36 | RedBreva | hehehe, 'extravaganza' not a word to slip into everyday conversation |
| 08:41:07 | B4gder | haha, it proves your life isn't in the appropriate fast lane! ;-) |
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| 08:47:17 | amiconn | crap. |
| 08:47:45 | amiconn | There's a bug in debian testing for amd64, and I don't know against which package to report it :( |
| 08:48:04 | darkless | does the rockbox CVS use CET as timezone reference? |
| 08:48:41 | B4gder | cvs use gmt |
| 08:48:53 | darkless | ok |
| 08:48:58 | B4gder | the times on the site should be GMT all over |
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| 08:50:01 | darkless | good, I'm in the process of narrowing down which part of the daily changes from 2006-04-24 that broke seeking on my iriver |
| 08:53:18 | Slasheri | amiconn: morning :) |
| 08:53:42 | amiconn | morning Slasheri |
| 08:54:05 | amiconn | Could you please update your build server to sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3 patched? |
| 08:54:42 | amiconn | You can find the required patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 08:54:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh, right away |
| 08:56:36 | Slasheri | in fact the build server will not be functional today evening as i have to shutdown one raid array to conserve some power from UPS (there will be a power blackout for about 10 minutes in the evening) |
| 08:57:17 | B4gder | a server being absent should not be a problem to the build system |
| 08:57:31 | amiconn | B4gder: Is it possible that logbot is a bit confused about 'seen' times? |
| 08:58:22 | B4gder | everything is possible |
| 08:58:27 | B4gder | its just software |
| 08:58:48 | amiconn | ./msg logbot- seen Cassandra -> -logbot−− Cassandra (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) signed off 1 day and 14 hours ago (" |
| 08:58:53 | amiconn | That can't be true... |
| 08:58:58 | B4gder | sure it is |
| 08:59:13 | B4gder | she stopped by the other day |
| 08:59:29 | amiconn | Hmm, the logs show nothing... |
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| 09:00:36 | B4gder | yes they do |
| 09:00:50 | B4gder | may 1st, 18.24.57 |
| 09:01:38 | amiconn | Blargh, firefox search should tell me when the page isn't fully loaded |
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| 09:06:10 | JdGordon_ | wooohooo... i got it working :D |
| 09:06:18 | JdGordon_ | i mean... hey all |
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| 09:35:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: now the compiler should have been updated |
| 09:38:30 | darkless | lostlogic: ping |
| 09:39:08 | petur | much too early for him, try the afternoon |
| 09:39:54 | darkless | ok thanks. I located the changes that broke seeking for me |
| 09:40:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: Thanks, in the name of fm/v2 owners... |
| 09:42:33 | darkless | the build "stamp" you see briefly when booting rockbox... where should I look if I wanted to change it (to something else than the present compile time/date)? |
| 09:44:15 | B4gder | make VERSION=fooooo |
| 09:44:31 | B4gder | appears in the info screen |
| 09:45:09 | * | amiconn learned something... |
| 09:45:32 | linuxstb | We need some more developer docs... :) |
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| 09:46:04 | B4gder | we're like the early human communities before writing existed |
| 09:46:14 | B4gder | sitting around the camp fire telling stories instead |
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| 09:46:27 | linuxstb | That works for me. |
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| 09:47:27 | * | petur gets some more wood |
| 09:48:07 | * | petur gets some more w00t |
| 09:48:08 | B4gder | now, have I told you have we used to do when I was young? |
| 09:48:14 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 09:48:59 | JdGordon_ | B4gder: do u want my server? its running linux 24x7 now.. |
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| 09:50:38 | B4gder | but with a 20KB/s upload cap? |
| 09:51:09 | JdGordon_ | well.. ye.. that... |
| 09:51:25 | JdGordon_ | change the script to do the uploads after all the compiles are done... |
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| 09:52:32 | B4gder | it is not easily done so it won't happen anytime soon |
| 09:52:58 | JdGordon_ | ok, no prob |
| 09:53:03 | JdGordon_ | dinner./.. bbs |
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| 10:09:25 | petur | bloody skype used 48MB upload yesterday. I didn't even use it. the bastards |
| 10:10:13 | B4gder | they do that for calls where both parties are behind firewalls/nats |
| 10:10:27 | crwl | yeah, it's not like they exactly advertize the fact that they use your bandwidth to route others' phonecalls :P |
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| 10:11:19 | Mikaelh | petur: do you pay for that? |
| 10:11:33 | NJoin | blind [0] (n=blind@c-71-234-180-125.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 10:12:29 | petur | obviously... 650MB upload the last 30 days :( |
| 10:12:44 | Mikaelh | annoying |
| 10:12:54 | Mikaelh | oops |
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| 10:15:42 | HCl | petur: what kind of isp do you have that you need to pay for that ? o-o |
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| 10:17:27 | petur | I don't actually pay for the upload itself, but they're using my bandwidth. It reduces my speed and it could make me go over my upload limit. |
| 10:17:52 | petur | I'm sure it's somewhere in their bloody eula |
| 10:18:27 | Mikachu | they wouldn't need to put it there |
| 10:19:50 | petur | real p2p software allows you to set a limit to the bandwidth it uses. this crap doesn't even tell you it's going to use |
| 10:20:06 | HCl | oh, right. |
| 10:20:21 | petur | ah well... it's gone now. [/rant] |
| 10:20:23 | HCl | well, i know a *lot* of p2p software that doesn't allow you to set a limit |
| 10:20:32 | HCl | mostly to force people to upload too |
| 10:21:08 | HCl | but then, i'm probably one of the people who'd be least bothered about things using my bandwidth, so i don't really have a right to say anything o-o |
| 10:21:29 | | Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 10:21:36 | Mikachu | petur: http://support.skype.com/?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=125 |
| 10:22:41 | * | HCl makes mental note, never send any files over skype, horridly insecure |
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| 10:23:02 | petur | I know. and it says 1.0 kB/s. What a load of crap. It was doing 30-40kBps yesterday |
| 10:23:04 | Mikachu | i stopped using skype after the intel/amd thing |
| 10:23:43 | HCl | petur: that's per client |
| 10:23:55 | HCl | so you'd have had 30-40 clients *shrugs* |
| 10:24:11 | petur | I had 80 in/out connects from/to skype |
| 10:24:15 | HCl | i like skype, but i only use it when i've like |
| 10:24:22 | HCl | already agreed with someone to talk over skype |
| 10:24:36 | HCl | never have it on when not neede |
| 10:24:37 | HCl | d |
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| 10:26:37 | petur | Mikachu: I posted a user comment on that article yesterday, nowhere to be found. and the helpfullness indicator jumped from 2 to 4 stars. Way to go skype. |
| 10:26:49 | Mikachu | haha, awesome |
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| 10:34:53 | dongs | lol! |
| 10:34:58 | dongs | hy guys |
| 10:35:03 | Mikachu | konnichiha |
| 10:35:12 | dongs | rockbox owns!! |
| 10:38:13 | preglow | yes |
| 10:39:33 | B4gder | I'm very curious on that "manufactorer wants rockbox" thread in the forum |
| 10:40:15 | preglow | just read it |
| 10:40:45 | qwx | :] |
| 10:40:47 | qwx | url? |
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| 10:40:52 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978 |
| 10:40:54 | qwm | thanks. |
| 10:41:05 | preglow | "telechips" |
| 10:41:11 | preglow | best first description i ever heard |
| 10:41:29 | B4gder | telechips do a bunch of different ones afaik |
| 10:41:33 | dongs | hm |
| 10:41:37 | B4gder | some of them ARM based |
| 10:42:20 | dongs | has anyone tried compiling rockbox using ADS or RVCT? |
| 10:42:50 | preglow | i don't even have ads |
| 10:42:55 | B4gder | dongs: you'll find that rockbox is rather gcc centric |
| 10:43:06 | preglow | but it sure kicks the shit out of gcc |
| 10:43:15 | dongs | yes, but ads/rvct produce 20% smaller/faster arm7 code |
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| 10:46:38 | linuxstb | Are those compilers freely available? |
| 10:46:41 | preglow | no |
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| 10:48:54 | B4gder | iAudio U3 and MobiBLU DHH-200 both use Telechips MCUs |
| 10:50:37 | B4gder | and "Teclast T19" |
| 10:50:48 | B4gder | my god don't they do many weird players these days |
| 10:51:37 | B4gder | http://www.itechnews.net/2006/04/18/dual-core-mp3-player-the-2nd-generation/ |
| 10:51:41 | B4gder | that's the Teclast one |
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| 10:52:27 | ceacy | hi |
| 10:53:13 | ceacy | I've got a problem with my iRiver H340, not specifically rockbox-related, but i didn't know where to ask |
| 10:53:36 | qwm | B4gder: do you know if linus is.. um.. frikyrkligt kristen? |
| 10:53:36 | qwm | :p |
| 10:53:48 | B4gder | the tcc770 has a "ARM946E-S CPU core (4KB cache, up to 120MHz)," |
| 10:53:58 | ceacy | It seems that my iriver has some HDD issues ; i formatted it from the irivier original firmware menu, but they remains |
| 10:54:11 | B4gder | qwm: in fact I know Linus is a senior evil overlord |
| 10:54:39 | qwm | hehe.. that's relieving to hear! |
| 10:54:55 | ceacy | i tried a check with fsck.vfat, but without -t, there isn't any error ; with it, there are bad clusters detected, but the test is veeery slow (more than 12 hours) |
| 10:55:23 | ceacy | is there any way to do a low level format on a iriver hdd ? |
| 10:55:34 | petur | B4gder: dual-core player, what a load of marketing crap :) |
| 10:55:43 | B4gder | yes indeed |
| 10:55:58 | dongs | about how much stuff would need to be built for all the ui/mp3 playback to work? firmware dir and? anything else? |
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| 10:56:11 | B4gder | "we have two circuits on the board, let's call them cores, Oh, dual-core!" ;-) |
| 10:56:30 | petur | since when is a DAC a core? |
| 10:56:53 | linuxstb | petur: There was a thread on head-fi about that "dual-core" claim... |
| 10:56:53 | ceacy | no clue ? |
| 10:57:09 | B4gder | dongs: pretty much the firmware dir |
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| 10:57:45 | dongs | i saw libmad and other crap in apps, is that related/dependency? |
| 10:57:48 | linuxstb | dongs: If you want mp3 playback, you're going to need the apps/ directory as well - including all the codec libraries. |
| 10:57:52 | ceacy | Please, any one can help me ? |
| 10:58:01 | dongs | mhmm. |
| 10:58:05 | ceacy | (i'm going to jump !) |
| 10:58:08 | B4gder | ceacy: I would mkfs it using linux from the start |
| 10:58:15 | dongs | i wonder how much effort would be to get it building with ads/rvct. |
| 10:58:25 | Mikachu | you haven't been able to low level format a hd since the nineties |
| 10:58:30 | dongs | (for ipod nano target) |
| 10:58:32 | ceacy | N4dger > refomating it won't cause the firmware to be deleted ? |
| 10:58:34 | linuxstb | dongs: Of course - if you want mp3, you need libmad. |
| 10:58:45 | ceacy | -N+B |
| 10:58:47 | ceacy | (sorry) |
| 10:59:02 | linuxstb | dongs: As B4gder said, Rockbox is very gcc-centric. The only way to find the problems with other compilers is to try them. |
| 10:59:03 | Mikachu | ceacy: gd, not dg |
| 10:59:09 | B4gder | dongs: the apps are of course all apps, including codecs |
| 10:59:32 | ceacy | Mikachu> oups :/ |
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| 11:00:01 | petur | ceacy: it will wipe the disk, not the bootloader. |
| 11:00:34 | ceacy | ok, i'll try, so |
| 11:00:37 | ceacy | thanks ! |
| 11:01:01 | petur | copy stuff of the disk if you need it |
| 11:01:14 | petur | *off |
| 11:02:19 | ceacy | fat16 or fat32 ? |
| 11:02:57 | petur | fat32 |
| 11:03:07 | ceacy | mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1, so ? Thanks |
| 11:04:31 | ceacy | and, if a launch a "fsck.vfat -ta /dev/sdb1", how much time will it last ? |
| 11:05:05 | B4gder | unfortunately that fsck is not very good |
| 11:05:06 | * | petur has no clue about linux stuff |
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| 11:05:23 | ceacy | Is it better to use Windows's disk checker ? |
| 11:05:28 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 11:05:39 | B4gder | when I had problems I just did a mkfs |
| 11:05:45 | B4gder | and never looked back |
| 11:05:50 | ceacy | ok ;) |
| 11:06:01 | B4gder | because fsck couldn't fix them |
| 11:06:20 | | Join Mantice [0] (i=Mantice@219-89-29-108.dialup.xtra.co.nz) |
| 11:06:28 | Mantice | Hello |
| 11:06:50 | Mantice | I get crc error when installing roxbox on my ipod mini :( |
| 11:06:55 | preglow | what error |
| 11:06:59 | preglow | ehh |
| 11:07:01 | preglow | i read "gcc error" there |
| 11:07:02 | preglow | sorry |
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| 11:07:26 | Mantice | np |
| 11:07:55 | Mantice | disk_readDATA error then it says <CRC> |
| 11:08:17 | Mantice | Is there a way it can skip the bad sector or somthing |
| 11:08:27 | preglow | yeah, a reformat |
| 11:08:33 | preglow | but first be sure it's that that's causing it |
| 11:08:41 | Mantice | Its the hard drive |
| 11:09:03 | Mantice | I can install the ipod fermware sweet as |
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| 11:09:23 | Mantice | Some times it does the hard drive click thing on the bad sectors |
| 11:09:26 | preglow | i think a full reformat might mark the bad sectors, either that, or you need to do one of those complete disk scans i haven't done for seven years |
| 11:09:29 | | Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd64a64@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:09:39 | Mantice | I used scan disk |
| 11:09:47 | Mantice | is that complete ? |
| 11:09:56 | preglow | if you told it to be :) |
| 11:10:03 | preglow | i don't remember how scandisk works anymore |
| 11:10:33 | Mantice | :( do you use another program |
| 11:11:26 | preglow | nope |
| 11:11:30 | preglow | i just hope my disks never fail |
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| 11:12:44 | | Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@124-168-66-103.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:12:52 | Mantice | It got droped by a blonde |
| 11:13:00 | Mantice | Then she droped it again to fix it |
| 11:13:11 | Mantice | and then let her friends kick it around the room |
| 11:13:26 | Mantice | and it had ipod sadface so i came and saved it |
| 11:13:34 | Mantice | and fixed the hdd so it boots |
| 11:13:51 | petur | why not have it repaired and give her the bill? |
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| 11:16:03 | preglow | why not just kick her around the room |
| 11:16:18 | preglow | until she gets the ipod sadface |
| 11:16:22 | Mikachu | hahahaha |
| 11:19:36 | preglow | someone please send good weather |
| 11:19:59 | * | petur has sun and 22 degrees celcius |
| 11:21:32 | Mantice | lol |
| 11:22:02 | * | petur notes this is 3 degrees below his max limit |
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| 11:26:15 | Mantice | crc error again :*(@#( |
| 11:29:38 | preglow | Mantice: sounds like the drive's in bad shape |
| 11:29:53 | B4gder | and that's hardly a surprise |
| 11:30:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:30:54 | * | preglow has clouds and cold |
| 11:30:56 | preglow | grr |
| 11:31:20 | RedBreva | Hi Folks - http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_160x128x2.html is now just about done, and in about 15 minutes, so am I for a couple of days... |
| 11:32:24 | petur | maybe remove the ugly link border around the WPS? |
| 11:32:45 | Mikachu | then it wouldn't be obvious it's a link |
| 11:32:57 | RedBreva | I know - that was an accident, but I wondered if it may work better like that? |
| 11:33:23 | ravon | Does the image have to be a link? |
| 11:33:38 | crashd | RedBreva: people are used to having stuff hyperlinked that doesnt have a link border these days |
| 11:33:57 | ravon | wow, scary. Just listened to My Humps 10 seconds ago. |
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| 11:36:21 | crashd | ravon: unlucky ;\ |
| 11:36:26 | ravon | :D |
| 11:38:16 | preglow | listened to your what? |
| 11:38:41 | crashd | The Black Eyed Peas - My Humps |
| 11:38:43 | crashd | shame on ravon |
| 11:38:44 | crashd | shame. |
| 11:39:07 | RedBreva | Ok, Border gone, but image is still a link |
| 11:39:25 | preglow | unlucky indeed |
| 11:39:28 | Mantice | Can some one give me a free ipod mines dieing :( |
| 11:39:45 | Mantice | Some one donate to me a first gen ^_^ |
| 11:39:58 | | Part RedBreva ("User is away.") |
| 11:40:01 | amiconn | Wow. Video is a real battery sucker on ipod 5g according to apple... |
| 11:40:18 | petur | 3 cores active? |
| 11:40:22 | crashd | i got about 3 hours when i tested video |
| 11:40:25 | crashd | i was actually quite suprised |
| 11:41:12 | preglow | amiconn: deed |
| 11:41:20 | preglow | i don't see the point |
| 11:44:04 | Mantice | I pods fuckesz-r |
| 11:44:24 | preglow | i wonder if the forum mp3 data abort stuff is caused by toni's patch |
| 11:45:57 | ravon | Anyone who've experienced random reboots and configuration losses lately, or is it my player/build that's going down the drain? |
| 11:46:38 | Mantice | Ravon your player is slowly dieing |
| 11:46:52 | Mantice | If you want a good home for it ill use it for testing |
| 11:46:57 | ravon | haha :D |
| 11:47:06 | Mantice | :{ |
| 11:47:08 | Mantice | :P |
| 11:47:09 | ravon | How very thoughtful of you :) |
| 11:47:18 | Mantice | My ipod is dead :( |
| 11:47:24 | ravon | It's an X5 though, not an ipod |
| 11:47:39 | Mantice | Dont worry I can still use it |
| 11:47:48 | ravon | Ah, ok then. |
| 11:48:09 | Mantice | Ipod got droped by a stupid girl multiaple times |
| 11:48:20 | Mantice | Then they played soccer with the dead ipod |
| 11:48:29 | ravon | Bloody savages. |
| 11:48:37 | petur | Mantice: have her pay for the repairs |
| 11:48:41 | Mantice | Yeah I fixed it |
| 11:48:53 | ravon | Or drop her on the ground a couple of times. |
| 11:49:00 | Mantice | So no more ipod sadface and I can put music on it but ipod software sucks |
| 11:49:02 | amiconn | preglow: I started my mp3 runtime test this morning. Got no data abort until I left home. Testing mp3 exclusively... |
| 11:49:07 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm thinking the same. Can MP3 frames have padding bytes? (I know layer-2 does). |
| 11:49:11 | Mantice | It was her ipod lol |
| 11:49:28 | petur | ah |
| 11:49:39 | Mantice | I bought for 20 bucks and it fixed it and it works |
| 11:49:41 | petur | so they gave it to you because it was broken |
| 11:49:47 | petur | heh |
| 11:49:48 | Mantice | it just has some bad sectors |
| 11:50:06 | Mantice | Its worth more than 20 bucks in parts :) |
| 11:51:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Layer 1 has multiple-of-4 frame sizes, all other layers have multiple-of-1 frame sizes |
| 11:51:13 | preglow | linuxstb: they can |
| 11:51:18 | amiconn | Padding can happen in any layer, to exact-match the desired bitrate |
| 11:52:32 | ravon | http://ormgas.com/rockbox/dd/dc6/structplugin__api.html <- Will that style work, or is it too messy? (ignore the buttons) |
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| 11:53:23 | ravon | Gotta love the person who documented "worm". "All the properties that a worm has." |
| 11:53:34 | zigford | Amen |
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| 11:58:24 | linuxstb | ravon: Looks good to me. |
| 11:58:28 | linuxstb | Can doxygen deal with the conditional compilation in Rockbox? i.e. some functions/structures will only be available on certain targets, and there are probably functions and structures which have different definitions for different targets. |
| 11:59:36 | preglow | doxygen can parse properly |
| 11:59:38 | ravon | linuxstb: Yeah, you can set parsing defines |
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| 12:00:10 | t0mas | man what a beautifull weather here... |
| 12:00:46 | ravon | Off to purchase something to put in my face.. brb |
| 12:00:48 | linuxstb | But wouldn't that mean different doxygen websites for the different targets? Ideally, we would want one tree, but some indication about which targets certain functions are available on. |
| 12:00:49 | t0mas | -l |
| 12:01:14 | ravon | linuxstb: That would be a problem, yes |
| 12:01:21 | linuxstb | ravon: Also, don't forget the GraphicsAPI wiki page if you are trying to document the LCD related functrions. |
| 12:01:53 | ravon | linuxstb: Ah, mostly checking the files in the docs/ folder now, but I'll dig some on the wiki too. Thanks. |
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| 12:05:04 | linuxstb | Taking the LCD code as an example, the exported API is in firmware/export/lcd.h, but it is implemented in various .c files in firmware/drivers. There are probably about 8 or 9 LCD-related .c files, but each target will only use one or two of them (the high-level framebuffer drawing code specific to the LCD format - 1bpp, 2bpp, 16bpp etc, and the low-level device driver). |
| 12:09:27 | amiconn | The 1bpp driver don't use that separation yet |
| 12:09:33 | amiconn | *drivers |
| 12:09:48 | amiconn | ...and charcell is again different |
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| 12:11:27 | yhaimma | #Sk8videos |
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| 12:12:15 | dongs | hm |
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| 12:12:53 | dongs | how do i find out which files are required for a given target? |
| 12:13:30 | linuxstb | Look in apps/SOURCES and firmware/SOURCES (plus a few other places...) |
| 12:15:28 | linuxstb | IMO, the best approach to documentation would be to document the internal APIs in Rockbox, starting with the plugin API, the codec API, the multi-screen GUI API. |
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| 12:16:03 | linuxstb | That, and some high-level overview documents (a lot of which already exist) would go a long way. I'm not sure of the value of documenting every single function. |
| 12:17:07 | linuxstb | And the idea is that those APIs are target-independent. |
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| 12:17:29 | theli_ua | anyone here with 4G iPod ( i need tester ) ? |
| 12:18:11 | skwad | just wanted to know if it was possible to have sublines in the %?mp<Stop|Play|Pause|Ffwd|Rew> |
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| 12:18:34 | dongs | does nano count as 4g? |
| 12:18:42 | theli_ua | no |
| 12:19:00 | theli_ua | nano is nano :) |
| 12:19:01 | dongs | why is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus saying about battery status showing empty? it is not showing empty for me |
| 12:19:22 | theli_ua | it was so some time ago |
| 12:20:43 | linuxstb | dongs: In terms of hardware, the Nano is almost identical to a 4g Color/Photo. |
| 12:20:59 | linuxstb | But for some reason, no-one calls it a 4g... |
| 12:21:43 | theli_ua | well.. i need tester for RockBoy on grayscale ipod ... so for me nano is completely different from 4g :) |
| 12:21:51 | zigford | I have a 4g and am willing to test |
| 12:21:56 | skwad | 4g are grayscale ? :s |
| 12:21:59 | zigford | yep |
| 12:23:21 | zigford | theli_ua: |
| 12:23:22 | linuxstb | There are both colour and greyscale 4Gs. The only difference between the 4g greyscale and the Photo/Color is the LCD. |
| 12:23:41 | theli_ua | zigford, wai.. i'll build release :) |
| 12:23:42 | skwad | could someone explain me why this doesn't work : %?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%t1%xdT;%t0.5%xdB|%xdB|%xdB> ? |
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| 12:25:25 | theli_ua | zigford, please, put http://theli.ho.com.ua/rockboy.rock into .rockbox/viewers/ |
| 12:26:15 | wehn | skwad: the ; does alternating sublines... |
| 12:26:58 | wehn | each subline needs to be valid in it's own right I think, and it takes the whole left and right of the ; as different lines |
| 12:27:20 | zigford | done |
| 12:27:24 | zigford | theli_ua: done |
| 12:27:31 | wehn | display %?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%t1%xdT then display %t0.5%xdB|%xdB|%xdB> |
| 12:27:38 | ravon | linuxstb: The doxygen comments would only go into the header files, but various defines could mess it all up. |
| 12:27:56 | skwad | ok wehn |
| 12:28:03 | ravon | Unless there's a way of separating specific platform quirks in some neat way. |
| 12:28:15 | theli_ua | zigford, then try to open some *.gb or *gbc with it :) |
| 12:28:58 | theli_ua | zigford, but remember it is not already playable due to cntrols issue ... i'm just adopting rockboy for grayscale ipods' screens |
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| 12:30:31 | Byron | in your guys opinion, what is the best hard-drive based Iriver that works with Rockbox and can use the accessability features like talking directories? I know that the Archos Recorder 20 is the best for Archos but what is the simular model for Iriver? |
| 12:31:15 | B4gder | Byron: all swcodecs speak directories etc the same way |
| 12:31:35 | Byron | good, I thought so, but I wanted to make sure I mentioned that. |
| 12:32:28 | wehn | skwad: ah I see what your trying to do, animated Pause symbol? How come the play stop etc all seem the same? |
| 12:32:58 | skwad | just a blank image |
| 12:33:03 | wehn | skwad: I have a kludgy idea |
| 12:33:24 | Byron | we want a 20gb, recording, maybe FM Radio Enabled, OGG playing device, what is the reccomended hardware? |
| 12:33:31 | theli_ua | zigford, ping |
| 12:33:52 | zigford | theli_ua: I didn't have a gb file. Just downloaded one. Brb |
| 12:34:00 | B4gder | Byron: iriver h1x0 series |
| 12:34:08 | wehn | skwad: %?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%xdT|%xdB|%xdB>;%?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%xdB|%xdB|%xdB> |
| 12:34:43 | skwad | and wehn just more difficult, make it for this one ^^ : |
| 12:34:43 | skwad | %?mp<%t1%xdT;%t0.5|%xdU|%t1%xdV;%t0.5|%t0.4%xdW;%t0.2|%t0.4%xdX;%t0.2> |
| 12:34:57 | Byron | what models are there in the h1x0 series? |
| 12:35:08 | Maxou` | h120 & h140 i think |
| 12:35:16 | B4gder | and the older h100 |
| 12:35:29 | B4gder | but none of them are made anymore |
| 12:35:54 | whatboutbob | H100 changed names to H110...there's also the H115. |
| 12:36:12 | whatboutbob | ...but the H120 and H140 are going damn cheap on ebay atm. |
| 12:36:17 | B4gder | yeah, in fact it was calle ihp-100 as the 100 never changed name iirc |
| 12:36:33 | B4gder | I mean from ihp to H |
| 12:36:42 | zigford | theli_ua: I have copied a .gb file into my ipod root, should it simply appear in the main menu? |
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| 12:37:23 | theli_ua | zigford , make rockbox to show all files... than hold select when selected .gb .. choose open with and choose rockboy |
| 12:38:03 | whatboutbob | anyone here test preglow's optical recording patch with a 96khz signal? |
| 12:38:52 | Genre9mp3 | A question: H300 stock battery is 1300 or 1400 mAh? |
| 12:38:56 | zigford | theli_ua: I got a message: "incompatible version" |
| 12:39:12 | theli_ua | zigford, what's your rockbox version? |
| 12:39:26 | zigford | theli_ua: yesterdays cvs |
| 12:39:42 | zigford | theli_ua: I will take spaces out of the file name.. |
| 12:39:56 | theli_ua | anyone knows did plugin api ver changed since yesterdays cvs? |
| 12:40:36 | theli_ua | zigford, spaces are fine :) |
| 12:40:48 | zigford | theli_ua: I will update to today's cvs |
| 12:41:02 | theli_ua | zigford, bleeding edge would be better :) |
| 12:43:03 | preglow | whatboutbob: it's been tested |
| 12:43:23 | zigford | theli_ua: Sweet. Its working |
| 12:43:46 | preglow | whatboutbob: and it works |
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| 12:43:57 | dongs | hm |
| 12:44:04 | theli_ua | zigford, nice ... no .. when i'm done with adopting for minis i'll post patch to tracker |
| 12:44:08 | zigford | theli_ua: audio is slow, game is Alien 3 |
| 12:44:23 | theli_ua | zigford, yeah ... there are a LOT optimisation to do :) |
| 12:45:05 | zigford | theli_ua: Yes, but even getting to this stage is awsome!! |
| 12:45:06 | theli_ua | and it is unplayable for ipods now due to controls... that would be my next patch :D |
| 12:45:28 | theli_ua | zigford, thanks go to original porters of gnuboy to rockbox :) |
| 12:45:48 | Byron | the h120 is not being made any more, it seems the cheapest I can get is 149, with 20 shipping |
| 12:45:55 | Byron | is that about right? |
| 12:46:02 | linuxstb | theli_ua, zigford: I think Rockboy outputs audio at 11.025KHz - the ipod port doesn't handle that yet (but it's on my to-do list). |
| 12:46:37 | theli_ua | linuxstb, yeah ... but anyway rockboy needs a lot of optimisations to work nicer :) |
| 12:46:40 | zigford | theli_ua: The controls are working in Alien 3 |
| 12:47:19 | theli_ua | zigford, well ... they work .. but for no select is mapped to menu by default and the only usable controls are up-down-left-right |
| 12:47:37 | zigford | thats all i need for tetris |
| 12:47:55 | Byron | is about $169 appropriate for an h120? |
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| 12:48:14 | B4gder | there's no such thing as an "appropriate" value |
| 12:48:25 | B4gder | if people are prepared to pay that, then its worth that |
| 12:48:31 | zigford | theli_ua: Thanks for giving me chance to test. Wife is calling me to bed. I must leave. |
| 12:48:39 | crashd | he means with reference to the retail price and second hand prices on ebay and the like |
| 12:48:43 | Byron | well, is that a bargin or is that the usual price? |
| 12:48:44 | crashd | there's no need to be pedantic B4gder ;) |
| 12:49:01 | B4gder | so how do you tell if an ebay price is "good"? |
| 12:49:08 | B4gder | you check a few other sales |
| 12:49:12 | B4gder | and then that's it |
| 12:49:13 | dongs | by buying in a real store. |
| 12:49:20 | crashd | whatever dude, pedantry doesnt help anyone |
| 12:49:21 | dongs | lol @ buying anything > $10 from scambay. |
| 12:49:24 | B4gder | yeah, you buy a h120 in a real store |
| 12:49:31 | B4gder | good luck |
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| 12:50:24 | B4gder | you don't get my point |
| 12:50:30 | B4gder | *we* can't tell what a good price is |
| 12:50:39 | B4gder | but we can by searching |
| 12:50:45 | B4gder | which anyone can do who can ask here |
| 12:50:51 | Genre9mp3 | I made a battery benchmark with my H340, when I went to submit the results at the wiki, I saw that the stock battery is reffered as 1400mAh. Can anyone confirm this? If so, my bench is useless? (since I've set it to 1300mAh in rockbox) |
| 12:51:20 | B4gder | Genre9mp3: your battery setting won't affect your actual run-time |
| 12:51:25 | B4gder | only the estimated one |
| 12:51:27 | Rob2222 | Do you know, that there are rare HARD-LOCKs at the iriver H300? |
| 12:51:33 | Genre9mp3 | Oh, Ok |
| 12:51:40 | Genre9mp3 | thanx for clearing that |
| 12:51:49 | preglow | good lord, how the linux scheduler sucks ass |
| 12:51:59 | Mikachu | preglow: try -ck |
| 12:52:14 | theli_ua | preglow, there are number of schedulers ... try different :) |
| 12:52:25 | preglow | i'd rather use molnar's patches if i'm going to roll my own anyway |
| 12:52:28 | whatboutbob | preglow: do you know if the 96khz recording was analysed for clicks and pops? |
| 12:52:36 | Mikachu | those are only for guaranteed realtime iirc |
| 12:52:54 | preglow | whatboutbob: probably wasn't, i just had slasheri test to see if my sample rate detection works, plus to see if if it recorded at all. why would it pop? |
| 12:53:05 | preglow | Mikachu: i pretty much need realtime, obviously |
| 12:53:11 | Rob2222 | All busy here... :) |
| 12:53:15 | preglow | tried -ck once, it was slightly better, but not by as far as i'd like |
| 12:53:23 | preglow | s/far/much/ |
| 12:53:26 | Mikachu | preglow: then use SCHED_RR? |
| 12:53:36 | Byron | I've read that the audio playback is a bit buggy on Rockbox for Iriver, can it deal with ogg well, or is it safe to assume that audio output is still pretty buggy |
| 12:53:59 | preglow | Mikachu: if i ever figure out how to compile a kernel that actually boots with ubuntu afterwards, i'll try lots of stuff |
| 12:54:16 | Rob2222 | Has someone got a hard-freeze at H300 when hitting Play and getting into pause mode with this? I got it, always the same, when hitting pause, but very rarely. |
| 12:54:20 | preglow | Mikachu: right now i'm using realtime-lsm to give jackd realtime prio, and even with that, audio skips at 50ms latency |
| 12:54:31 | skwad | souldn't just this here work ? %xdB;%xdT |
| 12:54:46 | dongs | all the .asm stuff is in GNU assembler syntax :( |
| 12:54:46 | preglow | Mikachu: and if that is linux' definition of a realtime process, the scheduler sucks ass |
| 12:54:47 | Mikachu | okay |
| 12:55:10 | whatboutbob | preglow: someone was just asking me about it...apparently the jb3 (the current 'tapers choice' for budget optical recording) records 96khz w/ clicks and pops. |
| 12:55:12 | Mikachu | well, linux isn't a realtime kernel so it probably is |
| 12:55:37 | preglow | whatboutbob: well, i'll see if slasheri ever feels like doing a test for me |
| 12:55:41 | linuxstb | whatboutbob: Does the jb3 support 24-bit? |
| 12:55:48 | preglow | whatboutbob: he's the only guy i know of with 96khz caps |
| 12:55:58 | whatboutbob | preglow: i know the jb3 and h1xx share a bit of h/w, so thought i'd check. |
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| 12:56:06 | preglow | whatboutbob: doubt they share the spdif interface |
| 12:56:10 | preglow | whatboutbob: since it's on the coldfire chip |
| 12:56:19 | whatboutbob | if he feels like sharing the files i'd be happy to look at 'em. |
| 12:56:31 | whatboutbob | linuxstb: nope. 16bit only. |
| 12:56:47 | Slasheri | preglow: i had pops on it too, but i believe the bad cable caused it |
| 12:56:48 | preglow | 16 bit only, why the hell |
| 12:56:57 | preglow | Slasheri: yeah, there's that |
| 12:57:14 | Slasheri | as when i pushed in the cable very hard, the signal was clear |
| 12:57:21 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you saying that spdif recording is nothing to do with the uda1380? |
| 12:57:26 | Slasheri | but that was really hard to do |
| 12:57:29 | preglow | linuxstb: nothing at all |
| 12:57:50 | preglow | i think the spdif interface is just a straight optocoupler interfaced straight to the coldfire |
| 12:58:12 | linuxstb | So the data isn't transferred via i2s? Or is there there some kind of internal i2s bus in the coldfire? |
| 12:58:15 | whatboutbob | slasheri: what setup are you using to test 96khz? |
| 12:58:18 | preglow | all i2s is internal |
| 12:58:29 | linuxstb | I thought there was i2s between the coldfire and uda? |
| 12:58:39 | preglow | linuxstb: but no, no i2s for recording, the data goes straight from the spdif to the fifo |
| 12:59:08 | preglow | linuxstb: disregard that last remark |
| 12:59:16 | preglow | linuxstb: uda comms is i2s, yes, but not spdif |
| 12:59:33 | preglow | it's completely internal to the coldfire |
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| 12:59:45 | Slasheri | whatboutbob: E-MU 1820m sound card, and standard 5m toslink cable with miniplug converter |
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| 13:00:03 | Slasheri | with other 2m cable, i couldn't get signal at all at 96 kHz |
| 13:00:15 | Slasheri | even with 44.1 kHz the signal was quite errorneus |
| 13:00:17 | linuxstb | Does that mean it's possible to play back different data to the uda and spdif? |
| 13:00:34 | preglow | linuxstb: not unless you use two separate fifos |
| 13:00:37 | whatboutbob | slasheri: miniplug converters can be finicky. |
| 13:01:10 | preglow | linuxstb: and only one of them supports dma |
| 13:01:17 | preglow | yeah, they can |
| 13:01:44 | whatboutbob | interesting that slasheri's recordings were 'erroneous' and didn't just hang. |
| 13:01:47 | preglow | it's best to find a real tos/jack cable, but i can't find them anywhere anymore |
| 13:02:27 | preglow | whatboutbob: i don't stop recording on errors |
| 13:02:35 | whatboutbob | i've got a proven spare toslink cable if it'll help the cause. :-) |
| 13:03:01 | preglow | doubt it'll be very proven after mailing, heh |
| 13:03:17 | preglow | damned break prone optical cables |
| 13:03:30 | whatboutbob | hehe...i had to import it from the US, so it is possible... |
| 13:04:36 | preglow | linuxstb: what'd be the use of that anyway, btw? :) |
| 13:05:49 | linuxstb | No idea, I'm just curious to know what's possible... |
| 13:06:08 | linuxstb | Maybe the spdif could output unaltered audio (bypassing the DSP)... |
| 13:06:32 | preglow | i'd rather have it altered |
| 13:07:03 | linuxstb | But no, I can't think of any reason which is worthwhile.. |
| 13:07:04 | preglow | but sure, it is possible, it would just require two pcmbuf's, a separate interrupt driven output routine, etc |
| 13:07:07 | preglow | heh |
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| 13:07:46 | linuxstb | 4-channel output for those 1970s quadraphonic recordings... |
| 13:08:28 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:08:38 | preglow | please don't ever mention that again |
| 13:08:49 | preglow | too many things are stereo hardcoded, and should remain that way ;) |
| 13:10:48 | romanos | has anyone any idea if the rockbox v.3 is gonna come out for all dpas at the same time? |
| 13:11:31 | Mikachu | yes and no |
| 13:11:36 | romanos | nano? |
| 13:11:42 | Mikachu | no nano |
| 13:11:45 | romanos | :( |
| 13:11:54 | romanos | why? |
| 13:12:05 | Mikachu | because |
| 13:12:09 | romanos | :P |
| 13:12:19 | preglow | it's hardly finished |
| 13:12:21 | preglow | tons of work left to do |
| 13:12:32 | preglow | it'll be out for the irivers first |
| 13:12:32 | theli_ua | can someone say why archos targets don't define LCD_PIXELFORMAT? |
| 13:12:41 | theli_ua | i mean in config includes |
| 13:12:47 | B4gder | theli_ua: because they don't have color lcds |
| 13:13:04 | theli_ua | yeah.. i know they have mono |
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| 13:13:25 | theli_ua | LCD_PIXELFORMAT for them should be VERTICAL_PACKING |
| 13:13:34 | B4gder | yeah I guess |
| 13:13:43 | B4gder | proably nothing ever needed that before |
| 13:14:34 | romanos | something completely irrelevant... if i'm using my usb2 pci hub for my sound card, Is that in a slower rate than the usb onboard ports? |
| 13:14:38 | dongs | where does the mp3 codec go? |
| 13:14:43 | dongs | is it built in to main firmware.bin? |
| 13:14:48 | preglow | no |
| 13:14:53 | Mikachu | dongs: ls |
| 13:14:54 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Because AFAIK, there is currently only one type of packing for mono LCDs. |
| 13:15:00 | dongs | is? |
| 13:15:05 | preglow | all codecs are placed in the codecs/ dir |
| 13:15:14 | dongs | and mp3 codec is named... |
| 13:15:18 | preglow | mopa |
| 13:15:18 | preglow | mpa <- |
| 13:15:22 | dongs | ah. |
| 13:15:26 | romanos | was that no for me preglow? |
| 13:15:31 | preglow | it's not only mp3 |
| 13:15:37 | preglow | it's mp1 mp2 and mp3 |
| 13:15:44 | preglow | romanos: no |
| 13:15:50 | theli_ua | linuxstb, yeah .. there is only one for now |
| 13:15:51 | Mikachu | romanos: that one was for you |
| 13:16:12 | romanos | ok |
| 13:16:48 | dongs | random question of hte day: is there a reason why language menu is localized? it makes it very hard to get out of a random language if accidentally chosen |
| 13:17:24 | romanos | reset setting and always have a .cfg |
| 13:17:37 | dongs | yea, but that doesnt help user friendliness. |
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| 13:17:49 | Mikachu | dongs: it's the same way on stock ipods, and every device i have seen |
| 13:18:09 | romanos | exactly |
| 13:18:14 | B4gder | having it in english is hardly user-friendly either if you don't speak english |
| 13:18:43 | dongs | hm. my experience have been the opposite (language menu is usually not localized) |
| 13:18:48 | Trkstr | hello |
| 13:19:08 | romanos | the whole world speaks english |
| 13:19:09 | linuxstb | Can't you just browse the .lang files from the file browser? |
| 13:19:15 | Trkstr | whats the general rules on this channel? |
| 13:19:16 | Mikachu | romanos: haha |
| 13:19:19 | romanos | the internet as well |
| 13:19:27 | Trkstr | i don't wanna do something and get kicked.... |
| 13:19:43 | Mikachu | Trkstr: don't run around naked |
| 13:19:49 | Trkstr | cool |
| 13:19:49 | B4gder | Trkstr: buy all the regulars beer and offer huge amounts of good source |
| 13:19:56 | romanos | it would be really unlikely for someone that didn't understand english to get rockbox on his dpa |
| 13:19:59 | B4gder | then you'll be fine |
| 13:20:19 | Mikachu | romanos: if they know english, why would they change the language setting in the first place? |
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| 13:20:31 | B4gder | romanos: you know some people will have it done for them |
| 13:20:43 | dongs | < romanos> it would be really unlikely for someone that didn't understand english to get rockbox on his dpa |
| 13:20:50 | linuxstb | romanos: I'm sure there are various non-English websites with Rockbox installation instructions. |
| 13:20:50 | dongs | really? im about to recommend it to my friend |
| 13:20:58 | Trkstr | whats up with the next song function on rockbox? |
| 13:20:58 | dongs | who would probably fail reading past step 1 |
| 13:21:03 | Mikachu | nobody in japan speaks english :) |
| 13:21:08 | dongs | exactly. |
| 13:21:29 | romanos | dunno.. |
| 13:21:40 | Mikachu | and jungti's isn't very good either |
| 13:21:40 | dongs | the unicode font is so damn ugly too |
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| 13:21:54 | Mikachu | dongs: try 6+12x13 |
| 13:21:55 | romanos | definitely sure about that |
| 13:22:00 | dongs | i know, thats the ugly one |
| 13:22:04 | Mikachu | heh |
| 13:22:07 | Mikachu | try unifont? |
| 13:22:28 | romanos | can i get any greek fonts inside rockbox? LOL. |
| 13:22:32 | dongs | someone should like, take sbits out of msgothic/gulimche and make a font but that would probably be illegal to distribute |
| 13:22:36 | Mikachu | romanos: yes lololol |
| 13:22:37 | B4gder | romanos: yes |
| 13:22:51 | romanos | cool |
| 13:23:47 | amiconn | dongs: What do you mean with 'the language menu isn't localised'? |
| 13:23:49 | Trkstr | ok i don't know if anyone has asked about this but: im playing Du Hast as the first song. Then i skip to next song when it hits someway into the song, it jumps to somewhere in the song, the name of the current playing song changes onthe display but the song is still Duhast... |
| 13:23:51 | Trkstr | ?? |
| 13:24:09 | dongs | amiconn: no, what i mean is it IS localized |
| 13:24:19 | dongs | amiconn: so once oyu switch to something like arabic, you're fucked trying to get back to english |
| 13:24:26 | dongs | (by mistake) |
| 13:24:27 | amiconn | There is no language menu, General Settings->Language just opens a sub-browser, showing the .lng files |
| 13:24:48 | romanos | yeah!! rockbox dosn't really likes negative things like du hast = " you hate me " |
| 13:24:58 | amiconn | ...and their names are localised as long as the localised name is displayable with ascii chars |
| 13:25:29 | amiconn | The latter is a remnant from before-utf8 times |
| 13:25:32 | romanos | just kiddin Trkstr |
| 13:25:45 | Trkstr | lol and then like if i hit the next song button again, it seems to start playing the next song in the list completely skipping the song right after Du Hast |
| 13:25:59 | romanos | Trkstr : what kind of player have u got? |
| 13:26:00 | Mikachu | Trkstr: what version of rockbox are you using? |
| 13:26:03 | Trkstr | ipod |
| 13:26:05 | Trkstr | video |
| 13:26:11 | Trkstr | i downloaded the lates daily build |
| 13:26:14 | dongs | is it normal to have nano rockbox version randomly lockup? |
| 13:26:14 | amiconn | romanos: Completely wrong translation... |
| 13:26:17 | Mikachu | on what day? |
| 13:26:20 | Trkstr | today |
| 13:26:23 | Trkstr | about 20min ago |
| 13:26:27 | linuxstb | Trkstr: What kind of files are you playing? |
| 13:26:32 | Trkstr | mp3 |
| 13:26:42 | Trkstr | they were the ones originally on my ipod before rockbox |
| 13:26:43 | romanos | amiconn : really? |
| 13:26:55 | Mikachu | i thought hast is have |
| 13:27:10 | Trkstr | i unhid the ipod folder and got the cache action going.. |
| 13:27:11 | amiconn | Mikachu is right |
| 13:27:30 | amiconn | amiconn <= german |
| 13:27:35 | romanos | :P |
| 13:27:39 | romanos | sorry :P |
| 13:27:56 | romanos | i was just about to ruin your language :P |
| 13:28:48 | Bg3r | romanos http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics |
| 13:29:25 | Trkstr | should i try an older release? |
| 13:29:27 | Bg3r | more precisely: http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/sehnsucht#du_hast |
| 13:29:58 | Trkstr | cos i really wanna get into rockbox but.... :( |
| 13:30:24 | romanos | Trkstr , u really have to be patient |
| 13:30:33 | Trkstr | ok |
| 13:30:48 | romanos | people are workin on it.. i'm havin same problems with nano |
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| 13:30:55 | Trkstr | yeah i know .. its a work in progress :P |
| 13:30:56 | Trkstr | ok |
| 13:31:21 | dongs | problems? |
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| 13:31:33 | Jungti1234 | hello! |
| 13:31:34 | Trkstr | in the meantime, how do i boot into the original ipod firmware without removing rockbox? |
| 13:31:43 | dongs | Trkstr: hold menu while power on |
| 13:31:43 | romanos | hold menu |
| 13:31:49 | Trkstr | ta |
| 13:31:50 | Jungti1234 | long time no see |
| 13:32:28 | Trkstr | wow you guys so roxors |
| 13:32:34 | Trkstr | <3 |
| 13:32:48 | dongs | what isnt working on your ipod that you would ever want to go back to the original fw? |
| 13:32:59 | romanos | amiconn : i had this in mind.. that's why i got confused , Du hasst |
| 13:33:01 | petur | B4gder: would be nice to get usbotg code from The Manufacturer :) |
| 13:33:12 | B4gder | yeps |
| 13:33:13 | Trkstr | dongs: the skip to next song function |
| 13:33:25 | petur | but it won't help the h3x0 :( |
| 13:33:26 | dongs | you mean, ">|" button? |
| 13:33:28 | linuxstb | petur: And their video player... |
| 13:33:41 | B4gder | they do claim 25fps video on one of their devices |
| 13:33:44 | Trkstr | yeah the >>| button |
| 13:33:46 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 13:33:52 | dongs | i'm on a nano and it works.. as far as I can tell |
| 13:34:18 | Trkstr | hmm i might try new songs altogether |
| 13:34:23 | petur | if it has 40GB disk and does recording, I'll buy one :D |
| 13:34:36 | linuxstb | It also uses 2.5" disks... |
| 13:34:39 | dongs | are you inside the iPod_Control dir? |
| 13:34:42 | dongs | for the tunes? |
| 13:34:54 | linuxstb | Which is a major selling point for me - I can fit my entire collection on it in FLAC... |
| 13:35:04 | dongs | try makign a dir in root dir and stick some mp3s there |
| 13:35:06 | romanos | flac rules |
| 13:35:23 | romanos | what player are u talkin about? |
| 13:35:24 | * | linuxstb is too lazy to use lossy compression |
| 13:35:26 | B4gder | 2.5" disks are good |
| 13:35:36 | petur | romanos: see forum |
| 13:35:46 | linuxstb | These players: http://www.portable.geek.nz/ |
| 13:35:47 | B4gder | romanos: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978 |
| 13:36:32 | Mikachu | hooray, i am the 123th visitor |
| 13:36:47 | petur | linuxstb: "You are the 121 th visitor since this site is opened on April 2006. " hehe |
| 13:37:22 | romanos | i'm 124 th |
| 13:37:23 | romanos | :P |
| 13:37:35 | amiconn | petur: I got a mail from the amiga usb stack developer yesterday. While I think it was just a mistake that he mailed me, I should probably ask for some hints for usb stack implementations |
| 13:37:58 | linuxstb | Send him an h300... |
| 13:38:01 | dwihno | "This player can only support up to 3 FAT32 partition, as FAT32 can only support 32GB per partition, the player would not be able to take advanage of HDD with >100GB." |
| 13:38:16 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 13:38:18 | dwihno | :) |
| 13:38:18 | petur | amiconn: the first issue is still to access the chip |
| 13:38:30 | amiconn | I mailed him ~2 years ago concerning a problem with my archos recorder and his usb stack. He fixed it and mailed some beta versions |
| 13:38:51 | Trkstr | dongs: yeah thats what im gonna try now.. |
| 13:39:29 | dongs | Trkstr: since the tunes dir is hidden, and mp3s are randomly thrown around in subdirs under that, im guessing maybe somethign gets screwed up along the way. |
| 13:39:39 | Trkstr | true |
| 13:39:40 | dongs | Trkstr: and if you try it in a root dir and it doesnt work, then you can start complainng |
| 13:39:46 | amiconn | petur: In case you're interested, this is hios site: http://www.platon42.de/index2.html |
| 13:39:54 | Trkstr | done deal dongs :) |
| 13:40:47 | amiconn | dwihno: Some people seem to have weird "information" about fat32... |
| 13:41:23 | Mikachu | i'm almost sure fat32 can be larger than that |
| 13:41:26 | Trkstr | ok 10 min till all songs are backed up... |
| 13:41:38 | B4gder | Mikachu: of course, MUCH larger |
| 13:41:39 | dwihno | amiconn: yeah... silly, ain't it? |
| 13:41:51 | * | dwihno keeps a 320GB partition on a USB disk |
| 13:42:10 | dwihno | 32GB limitation is just plain bullcrap. |
| 13:42:26 | B4gder | that 32GB limit is just XP's limit where it refuses to format any larger |
| 13:42:36 | Trkstr | NTFS! |
| 13:42:39 | Trkstr | :P |
| 13:42:53 | amiconn | Fat32 has a theoretical limit of 8TB with max. in-specs cluster size |
| 13:43:04 | dwihno | Should be enough for rockbox then. |
| 13:43:08 | Trkstr | lol |
| 13:43:12 | romanos | use ext3 |
| 13:43:14 | romanos | :P |
| 13:43:26 | B4gder | 8TB should fit most of my music collection |
| 13:43:32 | dwihno | ;) |
| 13:43:44 | B4gder | *g* |
| 13:43:47 | amiconn | (2^28 clusters * 32KB/cluster) |
| 13:44:43 | romanos | who's Chris Hodges? |
| 13:46:37 | amiconn | Author of Poseidon, the Amiga USB stack |
| 13:46:42 | dongs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus < how true is this? |
| 13:47:19 | romanos | hm.. |
| 13:47:39 | dongs | will nano charge if I plug it into a dead usb port (PC is powered off, but usb power is still going) |
| 13:47:54 | dongs | (since there is no indicator of charging or not) |
| 13:48:12 | romanos | well .. rockbox is much much better than using ipodlinux and even much better than retailOS in any ways.. even if it still got bugs... |
| 13:48:26 | dongs | who the hell wants to use ipodlunix |
| 13:48:57 | romanos | someone who wants to play iboy and watch videos like me on my nano |
| 13:48:59 | romanos | :P |
| 13:49:28 | Jungti1234 | what is 'fm transmit'? |
| 13:49:31 | Jungti1234 | Radio? |
| 13:49:35 | romanos | i reckon |
| 13:49:36 | dongs | fm transmitter |
| 13:49:45 | dongs | send currently playing shit to a nearby fm radio |
| 13:49:49 | dongs | for car use? i guess. |
| 13:50:03 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 13:50:17 | Jungti1234 | I understood, thanks |
| 13:50:21 | B4gder | mainly for in-case use, yes |
| 13:50:31 | B4gder | banned in almost the entire Europe |
| 13:51:00 | dongs | really? |
| 13:51:02 | B4gder | although there's new regulation coming up |
| 13:51:09 | romanos | what r u talkin about? |
| 13:51:11 | B4gder | dongs: yes indeed |
| 13:51:22 | amiconn | I have read somewhere that fm transmitters are allowed now in germany |
| 13:51:34 | B4gder | 50 nanowatts are gonna be allowed within EU |
| 13:51:39 | dwihno | romanos: ipl have video playback? |
| 13:51:41 | amiconn | They used to be banned |
| 13:51:57 | romanos | dwihno : yes |
| 13:52:08 | dwihno | B4gder: you've read about the EU directive changing this sep. 1? |
| 13:52:10 | amiconn | However, an AUX input is tons better than fm transmission. |
| 13:52:16 | B4gder | dwihno: yes, that would be it |
| 13:52:21 | amiconn | I believe even a cassette adapter is better |
| 13:52:31 | B4gder | cassette adapter is far better |
| 13:52:35 | dwihno | romanos: funky :) |
| 13:52:39 | romanos | dwihno : uncompressed avi .. but i use mpegs as well |
| 13:52:52 | dwihno | FM transmitter is good on those CD-only car players |
| 13:53:05 | romanos | mainly for converting my camera vids and watch them in ipod nano :P |
| 13:53:08 | B4gder | yeah, no CD adapters yet ;-P |
| 13:53:14 | dongs | heh |
| 13:53:14 | dwihno | romanos: ah, okay |
| 13:53:19 | Jungti1234 | wow |
| 13:53:23 | dwihno | B4gder: Don't you worry, I'm working on it ;D |
| 13:53:27 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:53:36 | amiconn | My car stereo has *2* aux inputs :-P |
| 13:53:37 | Jungti1234 | I found document about USBOTG. |
| 13:54:13 | dwihno | Too bad there is no information on the amount of RAM on that "new" player |
| 13:54:35 | Jungti1234 | Because it's in Korean, I can understand easily. |
| 13:55:40 | Trkstr | <3 you dongs :) thanks seem to have fixed the problem :) |
| 13:56:31 | Trkstr | aww now i can't complain :P but i will praise :) woot! :) |
| 13:57:01 | dongs | huhu |
| 13:57:04 | dongs | ya |
| 13:58:26 | Trkstr | now to get meself a decent skin :P |
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| 14:00:45 | Trkstr | hows the ogg support in rockbox? |
| 14:00:50 | Trkstr | i haven't tested it out yet |
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| 14:01:33 | dongs | it seems to work - someone sent me a 300kbps ogg yesterday before he went and bought a nano to test |
| 14:01:38 | dongs | it played and didnt skip |
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| 14:02:40 | Trkstr | awesome |
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| 14:02:59 | dj-fu | i'm gettin no skips on my ipod at all |
| 14:03:03 | dj-fu | even with crossfeed enabled |
| 14:03:04 | romanos | dongs, you're wrong.. |
| 14:03:07 | dpro | re |
| 14:03:13 | dongs | oh? |
| 14:03:13 | romanos | lol |
| 14:03:16 | dongs | about? |
| 14:03:46 | romanos | about skips |
| 14:03:51 | dpro | romanos: that was an english re: not a greek 're |
| 14:04:03 | romanos | karalol |
| 14:04:05 | romanos | :P |
| 14:04:48 | romanos | well... i really got to say that i wouldn't even imagine to find so many Greeks in here.. |
| 14:04:57 | Trkstr | ok need to reboot router |
| 14:04:57 | romanos | WE ARE EVERYWHERE |
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| 14:05:08 | romanos | :P |
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| 14:05:18 | * | dpro isn't technically greek, just happend to know the tongue a bit |
| 14:05:34 | romanos | everywehere , except world cup 2006.. |
| 14:05:39 | B4gder | g(r)eeks everywhere! |
| 14:05:39 | dpro | hehe |
| 14:06:15 | romanos | how absurd can that be? Winning the euro and not even qualifying for the world cup.. |
| 14:06:20 | dpro | rehaklis ;) |
| 14:06:23 | romanos | crap |
| 14:06:48 | Mikachu | the only greek i know is stuff like ρ=|φ|² :) |
| 14:07:07 | romanos | that's not greek |
| 14:07:18 | romanos | that's cubes |
| 14:07:20 | romanos | :P |
| 14:07:34 | * | dpro has an .at passport, so the in the next EM we can take part because we are co-organising it - not becasue we managed to qualify |
| 14:07:36 | Mikachu | mirc isn't famous for working right |
| 14:07:50 | romanos | oh.. got your point :P |
| 14:08:01 | dpro | Mikachu: I saw it just fine in xchat |
| 14:08:11 | romanos | regards the encoding |
| 14:08:26 | Mikachu | mirc only supports double- and singlebyte encodings |
| 14:08:31 | Mikachu | afaik |
| 14:09:09 | romanos | yep |
| 14:09:25 | theli_ua | anyone knows is there any possibility to read absolute wheel value with IPOD_4G_PAD ? |
| 14:09:35 | romanos | it's not that hard to get greek fonts workin though |
| 14:09:50 | dpro | theli_ua: yes there is |
| 14:09:52 | romanos | just no one is interesting in mirc to get that workin |
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| 14:10:13 | dpro | theli_ua: there's a patch for absolute values mikachu should know where to find it |
| 14:10:20 | theli_ua | i saw it |
| 14:10:24 | romanos | thats where the start of greeklish start to come up |
| 14:10:29 | romanos | crap |
| 14:10:32 | dongs | Jungti1234: what do you think of microsoft GulimChe font? |
| 14:10:34 | theli_ua | well... i mean there is no such possibility in cvs? |
| 14:10:40 | Jungti1234 | um? |
| 14:10:41 | Jungti1234 | why? |
| 14:10:41 | Mikachu | theli_ua: no, not yet |
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| 14:11:12 | theli_ua | Mikachu, i see ... and what's with that patch ? why it is not included yet? it looks fine ... |
| 14:11:26 | Mikachu | theli_ua: feature freeze |
| 14:11:40 | Mikachu | theli_ua: and it's only a proof of concept thing so far |
| 14:11:45 | dpro | mikachu: BTW I hacked a bit on the pitch screen, I made it modal (a bit vi like) now I can access pause/rewind without going back to wps, just now I work on setting cuepoints |
| 14:11:59 | linuxstb | theli_ua: IMO, we need to think about the best way to implement the clickwheel in Rockbox - but the 3.0 release is taking priority. I'm sure it will be worked on after that. |
| 14:12:02 | Jungti1234 | dongs: It's smart. but Gulim is smarter than Dotum. |
| 14:12:33 | dongs | my irc font is gulim 9pt. its amazingly clear. |
| 14:12:36 | dongs | <3 |
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| 14:12:39 | Jungti1234 | Because it supports some unicode, I think that its good. |
| 14:12:55 | Mikachu | linuxstb: lostlogic had some thoughts about sending touch and release events as well |
| 14:13:08 | theli_ua | linuxstb, heh ... let's wait until 3.0 ... cause reading abcolute values would make some things a bit easier ... implementing rockboy cotrols, for example :D |
| 14:13:34 | Mikachu | i have hacked various plugins to use the absolute values in some way |
| 14:13:47 | Mikachu | for example in sudoku i can scroll both up/down and left/right with the wheel :) |
| 14:13:56 | Mikachu | i'm still not sure if it's confusing or not |
| 14:13:58 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, that's what I mean - I think we've all thought about it to some degree, but it needs a proper discussion to decide the best way to solve all the wheel-related issues. |
| 14:14:00 | Jungti1234 | dongs: Gulim is Korean Windows default font. |
| 14:14:02 | theli_ua | Mikachu, yeah .. brickmania would be nicer too :) |
| 14:14:13 | Mikachu | theli_ua: already done brickmania |
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| 14:14:47 | Trkstr | wot |
| 14:14:49 | Trkstr | woot :) |
| 14:14:52 | dongs | Jungti1234: i thought so |
| 14:14:56 | theli_ua | Mikachu, well... i saw that your patch was initially for brickmania :) |
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| 14:15:59 | Mikachu | theli_ua: no.. but i did add the brickmania patch to the task to give an idea of how to use it |
| 14:16:16 | linuxstb | Anyone here have a 40GB 4G ipod? |
| 14:16:42 | theli_ua | i think ziford had 4G ... |
| 14:16:47 | theli_ua | *zigford |
| 14:17:13 | zigford | Yo |
| 14:17:21 | zigford | sorry, mine is a 20gb |
| 14:17:28 | linuxstb | Ah... No use then. |
| 14:17:39 | Jungti1234 | dongs: you know 'Malgun Gothic'? |
| 14:17:40 | linuxstb | The wiki needs a donation of the partition table from a 40gb 4g. |
| 14:18:26 | dongs | Jungti1234: havent seen |
| 14:18:41 | dongs | o |
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| 14:18:42 | dongs | vista font? |
| 14:18:47 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 14:18:57 | dongs | sounds hot. |
| 14:19:00 | dongs | anything vista related is hot. |
| 14:19:01 | Jungti1234 | It's still more smart. |
| 14:19:35 | * | dpro only has access to video 30&60, nano 2gb and mini |
| 14:19:39 | Jungti1234 | http://static.flickr.com/26/100718425_edd1fc92d1_o.png |
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| 14:20:24 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 14:20:40 | linuxstb | dpro: You need more ipods... |
| 14:21:32 | dongs | hm |
| 14:21:34 | dongs | thats cleartyped. |
| 14:21:38 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 14:21:40 | dongs | :( |
| 14:21:44 | Jungti1234 | why.. :) |
| 14:21:51 | dongs | cleartype = :( |
| 14:21:57 | ForD20 | Hello ~ |
| 14:22:00 | Jungti1234 | haha..; |
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| 14:22:10 | Jungti1234 | I like it. |
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| 14:22:47 | dpro | linuxstb: hehe I actually own only one of them, but I'm the rockbox sysadmin for a couple of friends and my flatmate ;) |
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| 14:26:51 | * | B4gder hands dpro the official "Rockbox Janitor" badge to wear |
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| 14:29:59 | dongs | hm |
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| 14:30:33 | dwihno | Speaking of nothing... Has there been any discussion whatsoever on antialiased fonts? |
| 14:30:40 | dpro | B4gder: LOL |
| 14:31:18 | B4gder | and now sit up straight and wear that with dignity! |
| 14:31:22 | dpro | ttyl guys ... I'm off to the pool to cure my hangover (diving boards help) |
| 14:31:23 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:31:35 | linuxstb | Those mp3/mp4 players talked about in the forum: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/eBluecool |
| 14:31:40 | dpro | :) |
| 14:31:48 | Mikachu | dwihno: too slow/uses too much ram probably |
| 14:31:52 | * | dpro attaches badge to swimsuit |
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| 14:32:44 | dwihno | Mikachu: ah, okay. |
| 14:33:28 | B4gder | I wonder if they truly are using 18bit color ;-) |
| 14:33:55 | B4gder | 2.5" disk is attractive methinks |
| 14:34:17 | linuxstb | Definitely. |
| 14:34:20 | dwihno | mhm |
| 14:35:36 | petur | 15fps |
| 14:35:40 | preglow | sounds a bit too large |
| 14:36:04 | linuxstb | Seems there may be some GPL infringement going on in the original firmware though. I downloaded the firmware update from www.ebaycool.bin, and "strings" shows that they are using avilib - http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora-tools/theora_transcoder/avilib.c - which is GPL'd. |
| 14:36:08 | B4gder | yeah, they do get slightly larger with that disk |
| 14:36:21 | B4gder | aha |
| 14:36:33 | linuxstb | s/ebaycool.bin/ebluecool.com/ |
| 14:36:35 | petur | line-in = 2.5 mm :( |
| 14:37:23 | markun | I've also see Toshiba advertise their 18-bit color screens, but they only use 15-bit |
| 14:37:28 | B4gder | yeps |
| 14:37:34 | B4gder | iaudio does the same |
| 14:37:57 | B4gder | although they use 16 and advertise it as 18 |
| 14:38:13 | preglow | linuxstb: i get a preprocessor redefinition in sudoku generator.c for INDEX_MASK when compiling with profiling |
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| 14:38:41 | linuxstb | That means INDEX_MASK is used outside sudoku? |
| 14:39:00 | darkskiez | hows 3g ipod support looking these days? |
| 14:39:01 | preglow | well, probably in the profiler |
| 14:39:02 | linuxstb | Or sudoku is redefining it? |
| 14:39:17 | preglow | profile.h has it |
| 14:39:20 | linuxstb | Feel free to change it in sudoku. |
| 14:39:21 | preglow | probably just a name clash |
| 14:39:37 | markun | I would like to find out which LCD driver ic the gigabeat uses so we can set it to 16-bit like the other color targets. |
| 14:40:07 | linuxstb | darkskiez: The same as it looked a couple of months ago. No-one has one, and the person who worked on the port hasn't been around. |
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| 14:40:25 | darkskiez | linuxstb: ah, ta |
| 14:41:14 | preglow | lostlogic: didn't you say some codecs refused to compile with profiling? |
| 14:44:11 | preglow | linuxstb: you think we should expand the iram size for those units that support it soon? |
| 14:44:28 | preglow | and if so, how should we allocate it? |
| 14:44:31 | B4gder | they seem to use xvid too |
| 14:44:31 | linuxstb | Naughty Chinese.... It looks like that mp3 player is using xvidcore - which is GPL'd. |
| 14:44:33 | B4gder | also GPL |
| 14:44:42 | linuxstb | :) |
| 14:44:45 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 14:44:56 | B4gder | "xvid-1.1.0-beta1" |
| 14:45:02 | dwihno | They don't know about the GPL or what is it about? |
| 14:45:19 | dwihno | It's not like they are going to use it unnoticed |
| 14:45:21 | linuxstb | That's good news for Rockbox though - if they give us the source to their port of xvidcore. |
| 14:47:31 | B4gder | searching for DROBJ and FINODE reveal something about what they use too |
| 14:47:56 | * | linuxstb should stop browsing firmware binaries and get back to work. |
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| 14:48:10 | darkskiez | what player is it? |
| 14:48:13 | B4gder | and here's a goodie: |
| 14:48:14 | B4gder | "Uniform Floppy Interface" |
| 14:48:18 | donkeyx | is the audio quality better, worse or same with rockbox on ipod video (g5)? |
| 14:48:43 | B4gder | darkskiez: http://www.portable.geek.nz/ |
| 14:49:12 | preglow | donkeyx: compared to what? retailos? if so, it should be the same |
| 14:49:19 | linuxstb | preglow: That's a difficult question. That will also cause amiconn headaches if he wants to unify the two mini builds. |
| 14:49:26 | donkeyx | yes |
| 14:49:28 | donkeyx | ok |
| 14:49:35 | preglow | linuxstb: well, yeah, but there can be no question it needs to be done |
| 14:49:48 | linuxstb | donkeyx: People have reported a background hiss on the 5g with Apple's firmware that disappears with Rockbox. |
| 14:49:58 | theli_ua | what does 'prefetch abort' error generally mean ? |
| 14:50:07 | B4gder | "can't kmalloc hub descriptor" seems to be a linux usb stack rip... |
| 14:50:07 | donkeyx | so the quality is better with rockbox? |
| 14:50:28 | linuxstb | But others have also reported a background clicking noise - but that's only detectable to me when playing silent audio files at high volumes. |
| 14:51:02 | preglow | theli_ua: that an illegal unaligned memory access happened |
| 14:51:04 | preglow | theli_ua: where'd you get that? |
| 14:51:25 | theli_ua | preglow, i'm just curious |
| 14:52:25 | preglow | theli_ua: prefetch abort means that the core tried to run code from an area in the memory space that could not be read normally, i read 'data abort' up there |
| 14:53:15 | amiconn | preglow: Do you really care about the 32KB extra iram on some ipods? The devices which would need it the most don't have it... |
| 14:54:20 | linuxstb | preglow: Maybe something like ICODE_ATTR for code in iram on all targets, and platform-specific defines such as ICODE_ATTR_IPOD5G, ICODE_ATTR_X5 (more than one of which can be used with the same function) to implement differences between platforms. |
| 14:54:23 | preglow | amiconn: i would have expected you to be the last to advocate resource waste |
| 14:54:33 | donkeyx | linuxstb: does the background clicking noise appear with rockbox or appleos |
| 14:55:19 | linuxstb | It only appears with Rockbox I believe. But it's also only been reported by one person, who has very high sensitivity headphones. With normal headphones, I doubt you could detect it, even if you tried. |
| 14:55:19 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, something like that |
| 14:55:36 | B4gder | for x5 I added a #define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR |
| 14:55:43 | B4gder | which is empty for other targets |
| 14:55:44 | donkeyx | oh |
| 14:55:49 | preglow | in codecs, we can use feature based defines. IRAM_FILTER, IRAM_HUFFMAN, etc |
| 14:56:02 | donkeyx | if it's only reported by one person, I think it's a bad audio file |
| 14:56:33 | amiconn | preglow: Does the PP5021 have the extra iram? Afaik only the PP5022 has it, and we can't use it if we want to unify mini builds |
| 14:56:42 | amiconn | (which I'd rather want to) |
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| 14:57:03 | preglow | i don't much care about the mini anyway |
| 14:57:12 | preglow | as long as the newer ipods support it |
| 14:57:15 | preglow | they need it more too |
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| 14:57:33 | preglow | amiconn: pp5021 has the extra iram, afaik |
| 14:57:37 | amiconn | Didn't your tests show that iram has negletible effect on PP502+ ? |
| 14:57:47 | amiconn | *PP5020+ |
| 14:57:50 | preglow | yeah, mine did, but i was drunk, apparently |
| 14:57:59 | preglow | linuxstb did some tests that show data in iram matters |
| 14:58:07 | Mikachu | i enabled iram for ogg but i didn't notice any dramatic difference |
| 14:58:16 | Mikachu | but i didn't do any actual benchmark |
| 14:58:35 | preglow | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5226#comment7673 |
| 14:58:45 | preglow | forget the comment thing |
| 14:58:46 | preglow | it's at the top |
| 14:59:45 | dj-fu | hey, anyone here use gentoo? |
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| 15:00:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: It was icode that didn't seem to make a significant difference. Data did. IIRC, pacbox even slowed down very slightly when I tried putting code in IRAM. |
| 15:00:11 | amiconn | I know. It seems code in iram has a slight effect. Otherwise the code should've gooten faster without -mlongcalls |
| 15:01:01 | linuxstb | Although do we use -mlongcalls in the codecs? |
| 15:01:19 | amiconn | Still, I wouldn't care about the extra iram on some ipods. While it is usually a good thing to tweak performance, it'll cause a shitload of ifdefing, which isn't worth the hassle imho |
| 15:01:44 | linuxstb | There's the same issue on the X5 though. |
| 15:02:07 | linuxstb | And I'm sure we'll find other targets with either more or less than 96KB of IRAM. |
| 15:02:25 | amiconn | Yes, sure, but these are completely different targets then |
| 15:03:28 | preglow | which means we'll get the ifdeffing anyway |
| 15:03:32 | preglow | in the very same places |
| 15:03:56 | linuxstb | I don't think we need #ifdefs, just defining different I???_* macros. |
| 15:03:57 | preglow | i've whining for more iram on coldfire too much to be able to ignore the extras here ;) |
| 15:04:12 | preglow | insert "been" if inclined |
| 15:05:18 | Mikachu | i probably don't know what i'm talking about now, but maybe the pp prefetches code so it doesn't matter much in which ram it was? i know the gba has some sort of prefetch feature for code |
| 15:07:08 | preglow | it would have to be very clever not to be impacted by type of ram it's reading from |
| 15:11:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: How many of these I???_* macros would you want to define? |
| 15:12:56 | * | amiconn can imagine that this will become very hard to manage |
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| 15:14:54 | B4gder | I can't think of a better way to deal with different iram sizes |
| 15:17:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: I guess there would be one for each combination of architecture and IRAM size. So two for the ipods (maybe a third for the 3G), one for the irivers, and one for the X5. |
| 15:17:07 | preglow | amiconn: not overly many. we'll stick with as many of the current ones as we can, preferably in the places which impacts all platforms the most, but for some spots of lesser importance, we might want to use some IRAM_ macros |
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| 15:17:37 | linuxstb | But yes, as preglow said, we would keep the existing ones in as many places as possible. |
| 15:17:55 | preglow | amiconn: but anyway, unless you can come up with a better solution, we argue? you can't possibly be saying we should rather not use the iram |
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| 15:18:04 | preglow | i'll just conclude i'm hallucinating then |
| 15:18:11 | preglow | s/we/shy/, yes, yes |
| 15:18:12 | amiconn | Hmm. If it would be possible to redirect sections in the linker when memory areas become full... |
| 15:18:13 | preglow | i suck |
| 15:18:20 | linuxstb | And also, I think we will need to use IRAM in a different way on the 3G, if that port is ever functional. |
| 15:18:36 | preglow | linuxstb: how come? |
| 15:18:48 | linuxstb | Won't icode be more important? |
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| 15:19:19 | linuxstb | e.g. on the 4G and later, we would probably want to fill IRAM with data, but on the 3g, we may want a mixture of code and data. |
| 15:19:28 | linuxstb | (but I'm just speculating) |
| 15:19:57 | preglow | why would icode be more important? the broken cache will impact data accesses too |
| 15:20:06 | preglow | but of course, there'll be more code accesses... |
| 15:21:02 | linuxstb | I'm just thinking that putting code in IRAM on a 3G will give a greater speedup than the same code in IRAM on the 4G. So it may be worthwhile to do it. |
| 15:22:07 | preglow | yup |
| 15:22:14 | preglow | worthy of some experimenting at any rate |
| 15:22:21 | preglow | if we ever get a pp5002 dev, that is |
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| 15:23:44 | markun | yay, we have backlight and button LED control on the gigabeat :) |
| 15:24:31 | linuxstb | Hurray!. Now you can start debugging via morse code... |
| 15:25:06 | B4gder | neat! |
| 15:25:21 | amiconn | Reminds me of my blik-byte debugging of the archos selfextractor... |
| 15:25:26 | amiconn | *blink-byte |
| 15:26:53 | markun | Shonky's now trying a backlight fading with 64 steps |
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| 15:29:27 | * | B4gder did this very useful distributed morse-beeper at work last week |
| 15:29:43 | B4gder | beeped simultaneously in three rooms |
| 15:29:59 | * | B4gder does useful things at work |
| 15:30:04 | markun | Your coworkers must have been thrilled |
| 15:30:17 | B4gder | somehow they didn't see the greatness |
| 15:30:22 | markun | :) |
| 15:30:28 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:30:55 | crashd | B4gder: you could set it up to play the first phrase of beethovens fifth |
| 15:30:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:30:58 | crashd | di di di daahhhhh |
| 15:30:59 | crashd | lovely |
| 15:31:14 | B4gder | with a simple buzzer, beethoven is hard |
| 15:31:24 | B4gder | beeep beep beeeeep beep |
| 15:31:48 | preglow | add pwm control |
| 15:31:53 | crashd | heh |
| 15:32:05 | * | scorche prefers to go with the one beep every 2 min route |
| 15:32:21 | scorche | possibly 3 |
| 15:32:35 | scorche | depends howmuch you want to annoy them |
| 15:40:06 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
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| 15:48:07 | lamed | hey guys; are we on a feature freeze due releasing 3.0? |
| 15:48:46 | lamed | topic |
| 15:48:48 | lamed | topic: extended freezing period suggested |
| 15:49:01 | petur | yups |
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| 15:49:25 | lamed | hehe... so iirc the last date was today, wasn't it? is there a new date? |
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| 15:50:39 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-04/0211.shtml |
| 15:50:46 | dongs | i miss my ipod keyclick on scrolling/etc |
| 15:50:53 | dongs | was that removed for a reason? |
| 15:51:14 | Genre9mp3 | In wps...hold-main,hold-remote and hold-both icons are only for iriver targets? Other targets only need just a single hold icon? |
| 15:51:15 | LinusN | did we ever have clicking? |
| 15:51:39 | dongs | ok, by "removed" i mean, its in apple firmware :) |
| 15:52:27 | lamed | tt, bagder, i just found it on irc today's log |
| 15:54:56 | amiconn | dongs: That still doesn't mean we 'removed' it. |
| 15:55:04 | amiconn | It's just not implemented yet |
| 15:56:03 | Genre9mp3 | Which targets have remotes? irivers use the %mh and %mr tags in wps. Do these tags apply to all targets? |
| 15:57:02 | amiconn | Many targets have remotes, but not all. Not all remotes have hold switches (not even all platforms have hold switches) |
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| 15:57:57 | Genre9mp3 | what about iPod targets? Do they have hold switches? |
| 15:58:11 | Genre9mp3 | and the archos targets?? |
| 15:58:43 | linuxstb | The ipods have hold switches (on the main unit) |
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| 15:59:36 | dongs | my ipod has hold. the UI shows a lock wehn its on. so i guess it works/implemented |
| 15:59:46 | klrspz | yeah hold works on ipod |
| 15:59:51 | klrspz | bookmarking needs a lot of work |
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| 16:00:04 | Genre9mp3 | I'm making a wps for all targets, that's why I want to know about the hold switches... |
| 16:00:08 | scorche | archos' do not have a hold switch, however, you can hold a certain button to put it into "hold" mode |
| 16:00:32 | klrspz | Genre9mp3, utilizing the peakmeters? |
| 16:00:42 | webmind | is there already a solution to the low battery crashes for the ipod ? |
| 16:00:47 | dongs | crashes? |
| 16:00:49 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: ipods have main unit hold switches. Iirc the remotes can also have hold switches, but ipod remotes aren't supported at all yet |
| 16:01:07 | webmind | dongs, ipod nano crashes when the battery is low |
| 16:01:11 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Another difference between targets is whether or not they have a clock. |
| 16:01:12 | webmind | as oposed to a shutdown |
| 16:01:30 | amiconn | Archoses don't have hold switches, but rockbox has soft hold in the wps on archos, except Ondio |
| 16:01:38 | dongs | webmind: fun |
| 16:01:42 | dongs | i guess i havent noticed that yet |
| 16:01:49 | dwihno | webmind: basically, the unit should refuse to play when the battery level is beneath N |
| 16:01:51 | dongs | webmind: you have a nano i guess? |
| 16:01:56 | Genre9mp3 | So should I include a hold icon for archos wps? |
| 16:01:57 | scorche | well, ya...cept ondio =P |
| 16:02:14 | dongs | webmind: does it charge when plugged into a dead usb port? (with only power applied) |
| 16:02:23 | Genre9mp3 | and for iPods only for the main unit, right? |
| 16:02:48 | Genre9mp3 | klrspz: peakmeters??? |
| 16:02:56 | dongs | %pm i think. |
| 16:03:00 | dongs | but they look damn ugly |
| 16:03:00 | klrspz | Genre9mp3, yeah, those bars that bounce to the beat |
| 16:03:14 | klrspz | i was going to try to see if you can assign images to it.. but didn't see anything in the docs |
| 16:03:23 | klrspz | cuz i have a great idea for them (i think anyway) |
| 16:03:23 | dongs | i dont think you can |
| 16:03:29 | Genre9mp3 | klrspz: so, what about them? |
| 16:03:30 | klrspz | fuuck |
| 16:03:39 | klrspz | Genre9mp3, was just wondering if you're utilizing them in your wps |
| 16:03:41 | klrspz | apparently not |
| 16:03:47 | Genre9mp3 | no, I don't |
| 16:04:19 | Genre9mp3 | To finish this, iAudio have hold switch in the main unit? |
| 16:04:27 | B4gder | yes |
| 16:04:42 | Genre9mp3 | but remote doesn't work yet, right? |
| 16:04:54 | B4gder | right |
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| 16:05:42 | amiconn | Hmm, I thought remote buttons+hold do work on X5 ?? |
| 16:06:11 | B4gder | that I cannot tell |
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| 16:06:25 | Genre9mp3 | Ok....so to sum up: H100/H300 - both main/remote, iPod Nano/Mini/5G - only main & Archos - only main, too |
| 16:06:38 | Genre9mp3 | oh..and iAudio only main |
| 16:08:39 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...and another question that just came up to my mind....since iPodcolor & iPodGrayscale use the same wpses with H300/H100, what do they do with the %mr tag? They ignore it? |
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| 16:09:10 | Shonky | We've got the backlight and button lighting working on the gigabeat via the I2C driver. |
| 16:10:04 | linuxstb | markun mentioned that earlier. Congratulations. |
| 16:10:23 | Shonky | Steal my thunder damn him ;) |
| 16:10:26 | linuxstb | "Gentlemen, we have light..." |
| 16:10:38 | B4gder | very cool to read gigabeat progress |
| 16:11:47 | Shonky | The fading didn't work (at all), but I think the way we've been hacking using kernel modules isn't good for that. It was as if linux didn't like the fact the insmod took too long. |
| 16:12:36 | linuxstb | Have you tried compiled your own Linux kernel and installing it on the gigabeat? |
| 16:12:42 | linuxstb | ^compiling |
| 16:13:03 | Shonky | No not yet. |
| 16:13:41 | Shonky | If we do that and it chokes, it means opening the thing up currently and doing a bit of a hot swap trick on the HD |
| 16:14:36 | linuxstb | So there's no kind of emergency USB mode available before the gigabeat reads the firmware from disk? |
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| 16:15:21 | Shonky | We haven't found one, no unfortunately. It does seem a little silly that the 1 meg of flash code can't have a recovery mode that switches to USB |
| 16:15:57 | Shonky | It switches over if it can't find the files, but if the files are there it will try to run/boot them. |
| 16:16:17 | linuxstb | Ah, so the USB code is there, it's just not very clever? |
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| 16:19:16 | Shonky | Quit silly in fact. I'm sure there must be some other way.... |
| 16:20:01 | Shonky | We could always attempt to add it but that means programming the flash which could easily go very wrong of course. |
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| 16:21:47 | HCl | hello |
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| 16:26:16 | Genre9mp3 | I need your advice on this...in my wps the code I use for the hold switch is this: "%?mh<%?mr<"holdboth"|"holdmain">|%?mr<"holdremote"|"holdnone">>"...since iPods and iAudio have remotes that aren't supported YET, should I leave this as it is or even the "holdmain" won't work for these targets? |
| 16:27:44 | Genre9mp3 | Unfortunately I cannot test the hold-switch behavior in the Simulators... |
| 16:29:13 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe someone with Nano or X5 (already done) willing to send him the wps and test this? |
| 16:32:19 | dongs | i got a nano, and the hold switch works inside iPodNano wps |
| 16:34:30 | dongs | Genre9mp3: ack |
| 16:34:35 | dongs | i cant reply to you it seems |
| 16:34:38 | dongs | but yes go ahead and send |
| 16:34:43 | Genre9mp3 | where? |
| 16:34:52 | dongs | here, i guess? can you dcc? |
| 16:35:13 | Genre9mp3 | I think dcc is not allowed here in freenode... |
| 16:35:23 | dongs | useless network |
| 16:35:26 | B4gder | yes it is |
| 16:35:26 | dongs | try it anyway. |
| 16:35:43 | Genre9mp3 | B4gder: It is allowed? |
| 16:35:47 | B4gder | sure |
| 16:35:52 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
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| 16:38:38 | dongs | hm |
| 16:38:40 | dongs | and that failed. |
| 16:38:41 | Genre9mp3 | dongs? Awaiting reply... |
| 16:38:55 | dongs | yea didnt work |
| 16:39:51 | dongs | ^ |
| 16:39:54 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
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| 16:41:40 | Genre9mp3 | dongs: Check your mail...and thanks |
| 16:41:43 | dongs | installing |
| 16:41:47 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 16:42:44 | dongs | i hope its better than iPod_Nano wps |
| 16:43:00 | dongs | ~40 sec, damn copying tiny files over usb is slowass |
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| 16:43:59 | dongs | ok lets see |
| 16:44:14 | dongs | wow not bad. |
| 16:44:24 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 16:44:24 | dongs | hold works |
| 16:44:29 | dongs | it shows "lock M" |
| 16:44:29 | Genre9mp3 | Yeah!!! |
| 16:44:44 | Genre9mp3 | yes....M is for "Main" |
| 16:45:09 | dongs | very clean, nice. |
| 16:45:13 | Genre9mp3 | thank you very much for testing this... |
| 16:45:24 | dongs | could use more color, but i guess you're probably targeting those grayscale things |
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| 16:46:28 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...I've made some colour versions...but for H300 |
| 16:48:01 | Genre9mp3 | But these versions have album art and what I'm trying to do now, is to make a version for the CVS builds |
| 16:48:42 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38610 |
| 16:48:42 | dongs | i see |
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| 16:49:01 | Genre9mp3 | ^is the one with album art |
| 16:49:34 | darkskiez | do the iriver H300's die as easily as the H1x0's do ? |
| 16:49:57 | darkskiez | Genre9mp3: Niiice |
| 16:50:06 | darkskiez | Its ashame the fonts dont look better. |
| 16:50:12 | darkskiez | fonts are hard :/ |
| 16:50:27 | Genre9mp3 | darkskiez: glad you like it... |
| 16:50:46 | ashridah | darkskiez: 'die as easily'? |
| 16:51:06 | darkskiez | my iriver H140 died one day for no apparent reason. I'm a little bitter. |
| 16:51:25 | ashridah | i've been using my H140 for 2.5 years now |
| 16:51:31 | darkskiez | hard disc was fine, put it in a cradle |
| 16:51:39 | darkskiez | battery was charged, tested with a multimeter |
| 16:51:41 | ashridah | hm. well. closer to 2 |
| 16:51:44 | darkskiez | but the thing just didnt power on. |
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| 16:52:04 | ashridah | did someone plug it into a nokia phone charger without you knowing? |
| 16:52:20 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Rodekil |
| 16:52:20 | Rodekil | Laughing Out Loud |
| 16:52:21 | darkskiez | asridah, could have |
| 16:53:33 | darkskiez | asridah, i tested the charging circuitry plugging it in, power seemed to get to the right places |
| 16:54:08 | darkskiez | do the H340's die instantly on phone charger connection |
| 16:54:44 | ashridah | darkskiez: the power control chip apparently dutifully sacrifices itself to prevent the battery from going boom, or something ;) |
| 16:55:21 | darkskiez | i'd rather it was a fuse. |
| 16:55:30 | darkskiez | or a voltage regulator. |
| 16:56:02 | ashridah | i'd rather the battery just gave up |
| 16:56:11 | ashridah | since that's only connected by two wires :) |
| 16:56:14 | dongs | silly question: how to "STOP" playback on ipod? |
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| 16:56:34 | dongs | i know there's pause, but how to just stop it? |
| 16:56:40 | ashridah | but still, it's much preferred to having a rain of hot lithium and metal shards shower nearby people |
| 16:58:14 | darkskiez | nokia phones just go 'Not Charging' |
| 16:58:24 | darkskiez | thats more sensible |
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| 16:59:23 | amiconn | The irivers don't have a protection circuit against reversed polarity for the electronics |
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| 16:59:40 | darkskiez | even the latest ones |
| 16:59:41 | amiconn | The battery is protected, but connecting a nokia charger most likely kills the cpu |
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| 17:00:19 | amiconn | Killing a H300 this way is less likely, they have a different (larger) dc socket than H1x0s |
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| 17:05:35 | pjotor | hello can u tell me how can u get themes for my ipod mini 2G? |
| 17:06:10 | dongs | you can download some. |
| 17:06:13 | dongs | from the wiki. |
| 17:07:15 | pjotor | can u send me a link a was trying to find somthing :-<< |
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| 17:08:38 | bluebrother | look for "wiki" on the website, then "WpsGallery". |
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| 17:09:48 | dongs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 17:09:51 | pjotor | oh thanx, i got it :-> have a nice day |
| 17:10:05 | pjotor | thanx for your help |
| 17:13:36 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:13:36 | * | petur suffers ISO9000 fever |
| 17:13:52 | petur | external audit tomorrow :( |
| 17:14:29 | noa | petur, I hope it will be a meaningful experience for you :) |
| 17:14:41 | dwihno | ISO9660 audit? |
| 17:15:11 | petur | pfff 9001 I think |
| 17:17:33 | amiconn | dwihno: Auditing CD-ROMs? ;) |
| 17:18:24 | dwihno | amiconn: well of course :D |
| 17:18:53 | dj-fu | hey guys, random question |
| 17:18:55 | dj-fu | distro of choice? |
| 17:19:08 | ashridah | there's a choice? :) |
| 17:19:24 | dj-fu | do tell? :] |
| 17:19:32 | B4gder | if the question is random, should the answer be that too? |
| 17:19:46 | dj-fu | random as on not on topic of rockbox whatsoever |
| 17:19:59 | * | B4gder runs debian |
| 17:20:07 | * | ashridah runs debian. twice. |
| 17:20:13 | dj-fu | I was running dapper drake up until today |
| 17:20:17 | dj-fu | felt brave and installed gentoo |
| 17:20:33 | dj-fu | and here I am, in a vtty with irsi |
| 17:20:34 | dj-fu | +s |
| 17:20:48 | dj-fu | it's.. interesting, i'll give it that |
| 17:20:58 | dj-fu | btw, I LOVE whoever optimised libmad |
| 17:21:23 | * | dongs runs windows xp professional SP2 |
| 17:21:28 | dj-fu | lol |
| 17:21:30 | * | linuxstb runs debian thrice, plus xebian |
| 17:21:36 | dj-fu | so do I, multiboot, but don't tell anyone ;] |
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| 17:22:30 | tucoz | remember that negerpunk thread on the ml? |
| 17:22:37 | linuxstb | Fondly... |
| 17:22:55 | B4gder | oh yes |
| 17:23:01 | tucoz | just ran strings on the mp3/mp4-player fw. Guess what I found :D |
| 17:23:06 | B4gder | haha |
| 17:23:14 | linuxstb | :) |
| 17:23:14 | * | dwihno runs Slackware 10.2 (will probably try arch out in a month or two) |
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| 17:23:51 | B4gder | then you must've gotten another image than I got |
| 17:24:24 | * | linuxstb was thinking the same... |
| 17:24:28 | tucoz | hmm, I downloaded the english/chinese hi-x6 v1.97h |
| 17:24:31 | tucoz | image |
| 17:24:34 | linuxstb | I got 2005915105226477.rar |
| 17:24:37 | B4gder | ls -l superbox.bin |
| 17:24:37 | B4gder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 870752 Jul 25 2005 superbox.bin |
| 17:24:51 | tucoz | http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ericwong/x6v194.rar |
| 17:25:01 | B4gder | yeah, that's a different one |
| 17:25:06 | tucoz | ah, another player? |
| 17:25:27 | linuxstb | Yes, I think there are two different players, with different telechips CPUs. |
| 17:25:44 | tucoz | Still funny :) |
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| 17:26:19 | tucoz | would be interesting to see that port. The players are not that expensive, right? |
| 17:26:24 | amiconn | Telechips is calrisc, right? |
| 17:26:25 | Mikachu | is it an official genre in the id3 standard? |
| 17:26:27 | amiconn | *calmrisc |
| 17:26:33 | B4gder | amiconn: no they have ARM based ones |
| 17:26:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: These ones are ARM. |
| 17:26:45 | linuxstb | e.g. http://www.telechips.com/product/product_mp3_tcc72x.htm |
| 17:27:13 | amiconn | Hmm, I thought they could be calmrsic (tcc730 - gmini 1x0 - is) |
| 17:27:29 | B4gder | it seems they abandoned that horrid arch ;-) |
| 17:27:36 | Mikachu | ah, winamp extension |
| 17:27:55 | Mikachu | isn't negerpunk swedish? |
| 17:27:56 | tucoz | Mikachu, check out the thread Re: rasher id3.c.. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-09/ |
| 17:28:01 | Mikachu | yeah i found it |
| 17:28:11 | Mikachu | or maybe i clicked a link |
| 17:28:37 | amiconn | 64K iram,, ick |
| 17:28:41 | Mikachu | no CS gangsta rap? |
| 17:29:23 | linuxstb | They also have an on-board DAC - so "single core" by the definition given earler today... |
| 17:29:23 | B4gder | amiconn: but ARM9 based |
| 17:29:51 | amiconn | Should that tell me something? |
| 17:29:54 | amiconn | 120 MHz |
| 17:30:04 | B4gder | ~30% faster at same clock as ARM7 |
| 17:30:06 | * | amiconn is an arm asm rookie |
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| 17:31:08 | amiconn | Single dma channel.... but 6 timers |
| 17:31:08 | linuxstb | Does the arm940tdmi have instructions not available on the arm7tdmi? |
| 17:31:18 | B4gder | I don't think so |
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| 17:36:36 | * | dwihno just loves the usb interface. sure, it ain't the fastest around, but it still does the trick quite nicely for storage, HID's and stuff \o/ |
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| 17:38:28 | straycat | hi |
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| 17:40:24 | amiconn | These players have strange specs... |
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| 17:41:42 | Mikachu | that thread is tons of amusement |
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| 17:47:28 | dwihno | anyone of you guys ever tested a 17" screen laptop? |
| 17:47:43 | goffa | dwihno: as in used? |
| 17:47:53 | goffa | they are good.. but too heavy |
| 17:48:01 | goffa | i prefer 15.4" |
| 17:49:08 | Mikachu | aren't genres saved as freeform strings in id3v2? |
| 17:49:11 | dwihno | goffa: I'm using a 15.1" since a couple of years back... The time has come to switch, and I would really, really enjoy a bigger screen as well :) |
| 17:49:21 | dwihno | goffa: no matter the heavyness... as long as they aren't too big. |
| 17:49:26 | dwihno | (as in thick) |
| 17:49:45 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes, but id3v1 uses a predefied set of numbers |
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| 17:50:10 | Mikachu | i thought i saw someone talk about "id3v2.3 removed genres 79-143" or whatever |
| 17:51:17 | nudelyn | some programs write id3v2 genres like "(24)" (the string, not the number) which means look up 24 (which is "rock") in the id3v1 spec... |
| 17:51:18 | goffa | they are fairly thick |
| 17:51:30 | goffa | and if you do get one always open it from the center |
| 17:52:03 | nudelyn | THere's other madness like having 24 in hex, then a null, then an optional string (in a supposedly string field), or "(24) Cock" which would be turned into "Rock" in some cases and "Rock Cock" in others... |
| 17:52:06 | nudelyn | it's a mess. |
| 17:52:06 | goffa | my friend cracked his screen by opening it from the rigt side |
| 17:52:30 | goffa | its probably 1.5 inches thick... |
| 17:52:30 | Mikachu | nudelyn: heh ,okay |
| 17:52:58 | goffa | 15.4" makes things seem bigger because of the wide aspect ratio |
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| 17:53:17 | goffa | if you don't have to move the machine 17" is ok |
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| 17:55:08 | dwihno | goffa: scary stuff... :/ |
| 17:55:33 | goffa | yeah... he's fighting with toshiba right now on the warranty |
| 17:55:37 | dwihno | goffa: I'm used to 1600x1200 on this screen, so the same resolution on a bigger display might be nice for me old eyes ;D |
| 17:55:48 | goffa | i hear that |
| 17:56:18 | dongs | hm |
| 17:56:46 | goffa | utimately its up to you, but the 6 people i know that got the 17 love the screen... just hate moving the thing |
| 17:57:00 | goffa | one idea would be to get a 15.4 and a 19" lcd |
| 17:57:04 | goffa | for when you are at home |
| 17:57:55 | Mikachu | the swedish word for laptop is 'carriable computer' |
| 17:57:57 | dwihno | I'm always on the move nowadays :) |
| 17:58:19 | dwihno | I guess 15.4" is still an increase from 15.1" |
| 17:58:45 | goffa | yeah slight increase |
| 17:58:52 | goffa | it does feel bigger though |
| 17:59:05 | dwihno | I can never ever go back to a 1280x1024 (or similar) resolution... |
| 17:59:06 | goffa | i have one at home.. i'm on a 15.1 here at work.. |
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| 17:59:33 | dwihno | High resolutions are so good when it comes to working with multiple things at once. |
| 17:59:38 | goffa | yep |
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| 18:00:14 | goffa | at home my desktop is 3840x2400 :) |
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| 18:00:24 | goffa | 2 24" dell flat screens |
| 18:00:43 | goffa | i love it |
| 18:01:13 | dwihno | You work with DTP? |
| 18:01:14 | goffa | on the laptop i utilize virtual desktops more |
| 18:01:33 | goffa | nope |
| 18:01:43 | B4gder | bloody traffic |
| 18:01:47 | goffa | not much anyway |
| 18:01:49 | dongs | woot |
| 18:01:56 | * | B4gder decided to work a while longer due to the jams outside |
| 18:02:16 | muesli__ | traffic jam in sweden? |
| 18:02:20 | * | goffa doesn't have to worry about traffic here |
| 18:02:23 | * | dwihno fetches B4gder another cup of java... |
| 18:02:47 | dwihno | Rush hour in the Stockholm area drives you mad. |
| 18:03:16 | goffa | rush hour in scobey, mt lasts about 5 mins from 5 to 5:05 ... he he he |
| 18:03:54 | goffa | there's >1000 people here though |
| 18:05:17 | lostlogic | we don't have rush hour in chicago any more. In the summer, you need only ask yourself "Is the sun up?" to answer the question "Is there a phenomenal amount of traffic?" |
| 18:05:41 | goffa | yeah... i don't envy you people |
| 18:05:54 | lostlogic | fortunately I bicycle or skate everywhere, so I don't hafta deal with it. |
| 18:06:21 | goffa | i don't miss waiting an hour to get a seat when i go out to eat |
| 18:08:10 | dwihno | too bad all laptop builders of today insist on using touch pads instead of that pin between g, h and b |
| 18:08:14 | dongs | holding "press/pause" on nano for 2 seconds = sometimes random lockup |
| 18:08:17 | goffa | i do miss 24 hour stores though |
| 18:08:29 | goffa | dwihno: look at lenovo |
| 18:08:34 | lostlogic | dwihno: lenovo still makes think pads with both |
| 18:08:34 | goffa | they have the nipple |
| 18:08:34 | lostlogic | which I <3 |
| 18:08:39 | dongs | toshiba too |
| 18:08:45 | goffa | yeah.. some toshibas |
| 18:08:57 | goffa | certain tecras(toshiba) |
| 18:09:08 | lostlogic | dongs: ie stopping music sometimes locks up? |
| 18:09:11 | goffa | i'd rather have the pad any day :) |
| 18:09:11 | dwihno | too bad they won't let you configure your lapotop :/ |
| 18:09:15 | dongs | lostlogic: i suppose so |
| 18:09:39 | lostlogic | dongs: does this happen when voice is playing? How about does it happen if you do it _right after_ starting music, or skipping tracks? What defines sometimes is what I'm getting at here. |
| 18:10:06 | goffa | i was thinking they should invent a mouse that had 2 silocon bases... each with a nipple... you know.. for perverts :) |
| 18:10:42 | dongs | sometimes = i've had it lockup enough times to notiec its not just something random. lemme see if I can pin it down to when it happens. |
| 18:10:52 | lostlogic | ty |
| 18:11:08 | lostlogic | make sure to get my attention when you narrow it dwon. |
| 18:11:09 | lostlogic | down |
| 18:11:25 | dongs | i gotta take a pic of this new font first |
| 18:11:28 | dongs | its making me hard |
| 18:12:56 | hardeep | lostlogic: i know the reason for the auto change directory problem reported on the wiki page but i'm not sure the best location to fix it... |
| 18:13:07 | hardeep | playlist_end is not being reset when we automatically skip |
| 18:15:40 | Genre9mp3 | lostlogic: I did a battery bench test and let my h340 emprty at night...I then charged it with the original firmware..it took 3hours for a full charge! Now, I'm having a second battery bench and when the battery empties again, I'll charge the unit with rockbox firmware to see if it's faster or slower. |
| 18:16:31 | dongs | does anyone have a mp3 tagged with korean unicode chars? |
| 18:16:35 | dongs | (or how can I make one) |
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| 18:17:01 | lostlogic | Genre9mp3: cool! |
| 18:17:28 | lostlogic | hardeep: ahh, perhaps another thing for the track changed callback to check the current playlist status? |
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| 18:17:57 | preglow | there's a blue sky now! |
| 18:18:27 | dongs | rockbox works with non-unicode id3s by using codepage, right? |
| 18:18:32 | hardeep | lostlogic: that's what I was thinking but i don't know the interaction of the threads too well |
| 18:19:02 | Genre9mp3 | dongs: I was able to tag an mp3 with japanese charavters using mp3tag, then I used unifont to read them in the wps |
| 18:19:26 | dongs | hm this spectacularly failed. |
| 18:19:37 | lostlogic | hardeep: can you post what you just said on the wiki so I don't forget it, and I'll work on that and the near-end-of-playlist resume information saving? (UNless you've already started on the resume saving) |
| 18:19:40 | dongs | o wait i know how to test the font. |
| 18:19:53 | hardeep | lostlogic: i'll post on the wiki |
| 18:20:02 | hardeep | regarding the resume information, see my last commit =) |
| 18:20:07 | hardeep | it appears to be working correctly now |
| 18:20:16 | dongs | ok ya korean portion of hte font totally failed to load |
| 18:20:32 | dongs | that would explain empty filenames. |
| 18:20:47 | Genre9mp3 | dongs: Mind that not all tag editors support unicode characters |
| 18:20:54 | dongs | i ont even hae a tag editor |
| 18:21:04 | dongs | so thats hte least of my worries |
| 18:21:25 | Genre9mp3 | wait, you want korean at the filenames??? |
| 18:21:32 | lostlogic | hardeep: hmm, yeah, that would work indeed. Only on an error condition would stop_codec be set not at the end of the playlist, and then it's probably best not to save the position any way. |
| 18:22:55 | Genre9mp3 | I thought you were talkin about the tags |
| 18:23:35 | dongs | well i want it either way. but my font failed to include korean range for some reason. |
| 18:23:38 | dongs | so i gotta look into it. |
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| 18:27:54 | dongs | huh. no wonder. it totally missed the hangul range. hmm |
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| 18:32:28 | dongs | yay. |
| 18:32:30 | dongs | works |
| 18:32:35 | Mikachu | linuxstb: would it be possible to boost/unboost the cpu in pacbox' fps limiter? i don't have any idea about the timescales involved |
| 18:32:58 | dongs | but id3 tags are still failed |
| 18:33:11 | dongs | though thats none of my business. |
| 18:33:11 | Mikachu | good thing that's the least of your worries |
| 18:33:24 | Mikachu | heh |
| 18:33:37 | Genre9mp3 | dongs: how you tag your mp3s? |
| 18:33:41 | webmind | dongs, I have a nano, and don't know if it charges.. but I don't have a dead usb port |
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| 18:33:57 | dongs | webmind: by "dead" i mean, a port that only provides power (liek when your PCi s off) |
| 18:34:14 | dongs | (such as most onboard usb ports in desktops) |
| 18:34:20 | webmind | when my PC is off there is no power on USB? |
| 18:34:20 | dongs | really? |
| 18:34:38 | left | lol |
| 18:34:53 | dongs | have you confirmed that? because all my PCs the backpanel usb ports are powered when its off |
| 18:36:32 | webmind | dongs, I'll check it when I'm home then |
| 18:36:37 | Genre9mp3 | left: It's funny whenever you leave the channel....I get this: left has left #rockbox... :) |
| 18:36:42 | webmind | I'm now not at my pc and don't carry my nano |
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| 18:36:54 | left | Genre9mp3 what a news :P |
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| 18:36:59 | dongs | webmind: well i was just wondering in general. |
| 18:37:09 | sparkeater | /nick right |
| 18:37:13 | dongs | does it charge anytime there's a usb connection, or only like when its off/etc |
| 18:37:25 | Genre9mp3 | left: Well, yes...I suppose that's intentional! :-P |
| 18:37:25 | left | and more funny it's that it's the second time that I came here :I |
| 18:37:38 | dongs | how can i take screenshot on my nano? |
| 18:37:46 | dongs | i saw somethign in debug |
| 18:37:53 | left | so you're supposed to have seen me left like...yesterday? :P |
| 18:37:53 | dongs | any better explanation of how its done? |
| 18:38:04 | Genre9mp3 | left: I saw you leaving yesterday night... |
| 18:38:17 | Mikachu | 00:23:47 -!- left [n=left@62.48.110.17] has left #rockbox [] |
| 18:38:39 | left | lool |
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| 18:42:02 | webmind | dongs, I'll inform you later |
| 18:43:23 | dongs | sounds good thanks |
| 18:43:35 | dongs | i think i finally got a good shot of this font |
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| 18:47:51 | dongs | finally -> http://pbx.mine.nu/01010016.JPG |
| 18:48:10 | Gargamale | I have to compile a patch to use album art on my WPS, right? |
| 18:48:33 | Mikachu | more or less |
| 18:48:49 | Mikachu | dongs: you know about the simulator? |
| 18:49:01 | dongs | i run Windows XP professional SP2, sir. |
| 18:49:10 | Gargamale | Same |
| 18:49:14 | dongs | therefore the simulator does not apply to me to the best of my knowledge. |
| 18:49:32 | Mikachu | that's incorrect, but it would require some fiddling i guess |
| 18:50:04 | dongs | i'd rather have someone spend a few days making rockbox build with ADS/RVCT than getting emulator working under some cygwin hack. |
| 18:50:20 | Mikachu | you would only need cygwin to compile it |
| 18:50:33 | Mikachu | if someone compiled it you'd only need the .exe and SDL.dll |
| 18:50:39 | Mikachu | i think |
| 18:50:56 | Mikachu | maybe it needs cygwin too after all |
| 18:50:58 | dongs | true but still |
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| 18:57:27 | XavierGr | lostlogic: did you saw/listen my mail? |
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| 19:19:25 | chang | Successful install on a recent French Ipod Nano |
| 19:19:34 | chang | iTunes s*ckz |
| 19:19:51 | chang | Rockbox rulez :) |
| 19:19:55 | Mikachu | i think you're allowed to say suck |
| 19:20:33 | dongs | agreed |
| 19:20:37 | chang | all my players are running rockbox |
| 19:20:45 | dongs | the only thing i miss is the clicky sound |
| 19:20:53 | dongs | from the apple version. |
| 19:20:55 | chang | lol |
| 19:21:05 | chang | let's do a patch ;) |
| 19:21:13 | scott666_ | there already is one |
| 19:21:23 | chang | ok, nice |
| 19:21:36 | chang | but i don't miss the clicky sound anyway |
| 19:21:56 | chang | ok, i have to do my physics homeworks btw ;) |
| 19:22:02 | chang | so ... see you guys |
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| 19:22:49 | darkless | lostlogic: Hey! I found out which changeset in which daily that caused the seeking problems for me |
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| 19:23:19 | Nebb | hi |
| 19:23:49 | darkless | lostlogic: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060424.html (the topmost 22:54 commit) |
| 19:24:10 | Nebb | does anyone know if it's possible to multiplayer on rockdoom? |
| 19:24:13 | darkless | lostlogic: you need to have crossfade enabled for it to show up |
| 19:25:58 | dongs | heh |
| 19:27:11 | BHSPitMonkey | Nebb: hehe |
| 19:27:34 | BHSPitMonkey | someone write up a comm. protocol for each player |
| 19:27:44 | Mikachu | you can make it turn based |
| 19:29:13 | * | lodesi is away: Occupé |
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| 19:31:40 | dongs | hm lets see if this works in proportional mode |
| 19:32:14 | Nebb | I was thinking you could have a PC as a central server, and the ipods connected through USB |
| 19:32:35 | Mikachu | usb isn't supported on ipods yet |
| 19:32:39 | dongs | hm, it does |
| 19:32:41 | dongs | to a point |
| 19:32:43 | dongs | neat |
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| 19:52:37 | dongs | hoho. |
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| 19:52:41 | dongs | fixed proportional font too |
| 19:53:17 | petur | fixed proportional? |
| 19:53:28 | dongs | fixes as in, got it working. |
| 19:53:35 | dongs | -s+d |
| 19:53:52 | petur | ah |
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| 20:00:55 | lostlogic | hardeep: the playlist_check() you just added to initiate track change is a little bit hackish, but I don't have a better solution to the problems it prevents. |
| 20:02:48 | hardeep | lostlogic: that's how we do it on archos |
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| 20:09:48 | XavierGr | hey rockbox on Cnet and digg! :D |
| 20:09:49 | XavierGr | http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6450_7-6513844-1.html?tag=cnetfd.sd |
| 20:14:38 | XavierGr | 1400 hits wow |
| 20:15:31 | dongs | 1400 hits to wat? |
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| 20:15:47 | XavierGr | 1400 digg hits |
| 20:15:59 | dongs | o |
| 20:18:08 | blind | on the horn with apple tech support. |
| 20:18:17 | blind | im going to refrain from telling them i installed rockbox. |
| 20:18:18 | blind | heh >_> |
| 20:18:28 | XavierGr | yes |
| 20:18:32 | XavierGr | don't mention rockbox |
| 20:18:41 | blind | "do you have any anti-virus software?" |
| 20:18:54 | XavierGr | and if you send it for RMA remove rockbox from it. |
| 20:19:02 | blind | "well.. the chances i'll get a virus are extremely minimal" |
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| 20:19:46 | dongs | why would you be calling apple support anyway. |
| 20:20:16 | dongs | did you brick it by installing lunix? |
| 20:20:22 | blind | no. |
| 20:20:25 | blind | rockbox. |
| 20:20:31 | dongs | lol. |
| 20:20:41 | blind | it was working fine... and then i turned it off.. went to turn it back on, and sad ipod icon |
| 20:20:45 | dongs | and 6-second holding of buttons to reboot fales? |
| 20:20:46 | dongs | oh |
| 20:20:54 | blind | tried disc mode, won't boot into it. |
| 20:21:00 | blind | tried charging it for 8+ hours |
| 20:21:22 | dongs | i guess failure is in progress :( |
| 20:21:28 | blind | XavierGr, I am sending it in, but I can't remove rockbox. |
| 20:22:32 | XavierGr | bugger |
| 20:22:37 | blind | but it makes no sense, it's gotta be a hardware issue |
| 20:22:56 | blind | it was running, just fine. power cycle, stops working. |
| 20:23:08 | blind | not rockbox's fault, not my fault. right? |
| 20:23:16 | XavierGr | yes nut if the technician boot it up and see the rockbox logo, most probably he will ask for money |
| 20:23:34 | blind | if he boots up and sees the rockbox logo, i want him to send it back to be :) |
| 20:23:37 | blind | me* |
| 20:23:38 | dongs | they'll ask for money to send it back broken |
| 20:23:45 | dongs | (if they see rockbox logo) |
| 20:23:55 | blind | if he gets it to boot up, i'll give him a kiss. |
| 20:24:34 | blind | this is actually my second ipod with an issue like this |
| 20:24:39 | blind | and the first one had linux on it. |
| 20:24:45 | blind | and they sent me a brand new one. |
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| 20:25:00 | dongs | i think the problem is clearly lunix. |
| 20:25:03 | blind | so im feeling pretty optimistic. |
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| 20:25:15 | blind | i didn't have linux on this one, dongs. |
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| 20:27:12 | dongs | that doesnt actually matter. it pre-emptively ruined it |
| 20:27:27 | blind | I wasn't planning on putting it on there, either |
| 20:27:49 | blind | now im on the horn with human relations, trying to get the s&h charge waived. |
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| 20:31:32 | hardeep | lostlogic: another bug added to the wiki based on a report in the forums |
| 20:31:45 | hardeep | we're crossfading a new playlist if the current one is paused |
| 20:31:50 | hardeep | er, even if |
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| 20:35:17 | * | preglow blinks at the new eq feature request |
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| 20:40:10 | dongs | heh i get a "dead battery" grayscale icon sometimes when unplugging ipod nano from usb after copying stuff over - is this normal? |
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| 20:40:17 | dongs | (it requires 6 second reset to fix) |
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| 20:48:39 | lowlight | preglow: did you see my patch to fix gapless mp3 after seeking? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5200 |
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| 20:48:56 | preglow | yeah, i saw it |
| 20:49:05 | preglow | haven't looked at it yet, though |
| 20:49:10 | preglow | nice excuse to support apev2, i suppose :) |
| 20:50:10 | lowlight | or an excuse to make people get rid of ape tags on mp3s |
| 20:50:25 | dongs | death to tags |
| 20:50:55 | blind | haha score. |
| 20:51:03 | blind | no shipping and handling fee :D |
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| 20:52:20 | dongs | now i wanna try to use freetype rendering.. hm whats a weird language taht uses non-roman glyphs? |
| 20:53:03 | crashd | russian |
| 20:53:21 | dongs | hm thats a good idea |
| 20:53:53 | preglow | lowlight: your patch is full of dos newlines, btw |
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| 20:56:14 | lowlight | preglow: sorry...forgot to run dos2unix |
| 20:57:43 | crashd | dongs: im full of them |
| 20:57:49 | dongs | hm? |
| 20:57:57 | dongs | ah |
| 20:57:58 | dongs | good ideas. |
| 20:57:59 | dongs | right. |
| 20:58:03 | crashd | :) |
| 20:58:19 | dongs | tahoma should have cyrillic glyphs. |
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| 21:02:40 | dongs | hm. lol. |
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| 21:04:44 | dongs | i think the 'russian' language file is fucked. |
| 21:04:49 | dongs | it just goes back to english. |
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| 21:06:36 | dongs | so much for that idea |
| 21:08:24 | petur | you're right, there's something wrong with russian |
| 21:09:11 | dongs | do ou know whats wrong so i can test it? |
| 21:09:32 | dongs | or i guess it doesnt matter ill pick greek or some other random thing |
| 21:09:52 | preglow | lowlight: but yeah, neat little patch |
| 21:09:56 | preglow | lowlight: you tested it good? |
| 21:11:23 | petur | dongs: submit the bug to the tracker so that it isn't forgotten |
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| 21:26:42 | lowlight | preglow: It didn't seem to break anything, but no I haven't tested it extensively. |
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| 21:31:40 | preglow | lowlight: we should try to fit it in before 3.0, though |
| 21:33:48 | klrspz | [13:42] <dongs> heh i get a "dead battery" grayscale icon sometimes when unplugging ipod nano from usb after copying stuff over - is this normal? |
| 21:33:49 | klrspz | yes |
| 21:33:52 | klrspz | i get that too |
| 21:34:05 | dongs | hm |
| 21:34:14 | dongs | any idea what causes it? |
| 21:34:17 | dongs | the battery is obviously not dead |
| 21:34:19 | Lear | lowlight: I wonder if stop_skip can be larger than a frame though... |
| 21:34:32 | klrspz | no clue.. it doesn't always do it for me, but probably about 30-40% of the time |
| 21:34:38 | klrspz | bookmarks suck on the ipod too |
| 21:35:13 | klrspz | only about 1/8 of the functionality is working and the rest either works but the user interaction part sucks, or isn't clear... but i think that's something they're working on |
| 21:35:27 | klrspz | oh and crossfading hardly ever works |
| 21:35:45 | dongs | i noticed that. i turned it on and it didnt do shit, but i didnt reall care so i turned it back of. |
| 21:35:47 | klrspz | other than that, i can't wait for a new EQ.. then i'll be fully happy with RB :) |
| 21:36:44 | dongs | whats wrong with the current EQ? not that i use it either way |
| 21:37:08 | klrspz | it's not very clean |
| 21:37:15 | klrspz | and it's not a typical setup |
| 21:37:27 | klrspz | a lot of distortion in it |
| 21:38:14 | lowlight | Lear: I think I checked how foobar does it and it was limited to two frames, but I can double check. |
| 21:38:55 | dongs | how to stop reading id3 tags? |
| 21:39:05 | dongs | it shows mp3 name then covers it with non-existent id3 tag |
| 21:39:07 | dongs | fucking hate that |
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| 21:41:05 | Lear | klrspz: distortion? not that I've noticed anyway... Or do you mean you get clipping, due to no pre-cut? |
| 21:41:51 | klrspz | Lear, i don' tknow.. i'm not an insane audiophile with those skills.. but i do know when i mess with something like winamp or xmms, the eq is easy to manipulate and sounds good... you don't get the same UI or feedback from RB |
| 21:42:17 | preglow | klrspz: it should be pretty much exactly the same |
| 21:42:31 | preglow | klrspz: you have precut and gain for each band in winamp as well, just as we have |
| 21:42:37 | preglow | klrspz: only difference is that ours is more flexible |
| 21:42:54 | sharpe | word. |
| 21:43:51 | Febs | klrspz, have you read the documentation in the manual about how the EQ works? |
| 21:44:00 | klrspz | it just doesn't feel intuitive |
| 21:44:09 | klrspz | mmm i have to admit no ihaven't |
| 21:44:11 | nobelium | amiconn, alive? |
| 21:44:15 | thegeek | because it's much easier to manipulate sliders with a mouse |
| 21:44:19 | preglow | the sliders aren't upright, no, i admit to that, but it really is the same thing |
| 21:44:27 | preglow | it should sound bad just like winamp's will sound bad if you gain too much with no precut |
| 21:44:42 | Febs | Perhaps you should read the documentation so that you understand what is happening in the EQ. |
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| 21:45:10 | klrspz | preglow, is the precut PER band? |
| 21:45:25 | Mikachu | that wouldn't make any sense |
| 21:46:13 | nobelium | i know rockbox functions as a big crew, but is there anyone with a special higher rank I can interview? |
| 21:46:16 | Febs | Precut is an overall gain boost/reduction that you can use to compensate for the boost/reduction in gain that you are applying through the 5 eq bands. |
| 21:46:19 | preglow | klrspz: it doesn't matter, if it were, then it would obviously apply the same for all bands |
| 21:46:26 | preglow | and that would be the same as one precut before all the bands |
| 21:46:29 | preglow | which is what we do now |
| 21:46:54 | preglow | nobelium: the swedes usually get interviewed ;) |
| 21:47:03 | nobelium | Like Jens :)? |
| 21:47:06 | preglow | nobelium: LinusN, Bagder and Zagor |
| 21:47:11 | preglow | jens is german, heh |
| 21:47:19 | nobelium | oops =) |
| 21:47:24 | nobelium | sounds like a swedish name to me :P |
| 21:47:26 | nobelium | thank you |
| 21:47:35 | preglow | nobelium: yeah, it is a swedish/norwegian name |
| 21:48:59 | preglow | nobelium: you can of course interview whoever you want, it depends what you want out of the interview. those people started the projects, so've probable got a greater historical project |
| 21:49:01 | lostlogic | Bagder can't be Swedish... he's named Daniel. :-D |
| 21:49:14 | nobelium | exactly |
| 21:49:19 | preglow | ehh |
| 21:49:23 | preglow | s/project/perspective/ |
| 21:49:28 | preglow | i'm on the beer again |
| 21:50:04 | nobelium | I want to project rockbox on a big news site...and I'd like to interview the starters of the project |
| 21:50:16 | preglow | then they're who you want |
| 21:50:19 | nobelium | with a retrospective view |
| 21:50:30 | nobelium | also announcing the 3.0 version that is coming out |
| 21:50:36 | preglow | we hope :> |
| 21:50:44 | nobelium | we all do =) |
| 21:51:26 | nobelium | hopefully, the interview will have a good impact on the project |
| 21:51:36 | nobelium | and I feel it deserves at least that :) |
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| 21:52:04 | nobelium | brb..dinner |
| 21:52:09 | petur | that's nobel of you ;) |
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| 21:52:46 | sharpe | i wonder when i should get back to work on the emulator.. |
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| 21:53:49 | lostlogic | preglow: when you say "on the beer again" do you mean that you're sitting on a keg? :) |
| 21:54:24 | preglow | lostlogic: i wish |
| 21:54:32 | goffa | how was the trip lostlogic? |
| 21:54:42 | petur | he can't be drunk from Norwegian beer, it's got no alcohol |
| 21:54:48 | lostlogic | goffa: fantabulastic −− details and pics linked from http://lostlogicx.com if you care ;) |
| 21:54:52 | preglow | petur: 6.5% is something, at least |
| 21:54:52 | goffa | cool |
| 21:55:16 | petur | preglow: does it? |
| 21:55:22 | preglow | petur: does it what? |
| 21:55:29 | goffa | us beer is probably more watered down than norways |
| 21:55:40 | petur | have 6.5% |
| 21:55:45 | preglow | petur: yes |
| 21:55:51 | preglow | the max strength of beer you find in the shops is 4.7% |
| 21:56:02 | Mikachu | aren't there 3 different types usually? |
| 21:56:02 | preglow | this particular beer i bought in the national strong beer/wine/liquor store, however |
| 21:56:08 | preglow | since that's where the tasty beers are to be found anyway |
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| 21:56:25 | petur | must have cost big money |
| 21:56:29 | preglow | petur: yes... |
| 21:56:44 | preglow | i have been known to dole out big cash on beer |
| 21:57:39 | Mikachu | you can give the money to me and stop drinking, two birds with one stone |
| 21:57:48 | preglow | now for my last one, a 5.3% american affair |
| 21:57:55 | preglow | Mikachu: that doesn't taste nearly as good! |
| 21:58:27 | goffa | nice pics |
| 21:58:53 | preglow | american beer > * |
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| 22:01:23 | sharpe | so it's greater than itself? |
| 22:01:36 | * | goffa doesn't drink |
| 22:01:43 | goffa | probably means better than nothin :) |
| 22:01:47 | preglow | american beer >= * |
| 22:01:49 | preglow | :) |
| 22:02:02 | sharpe | then it'd be american beer > NULL |
| 22:02:13 | Mikachu | american beer > *~american\ beer |
| 22:02:15 | goffa | yep.. better'n nothin' |
| 22:02:30 | sharpe | ah, the wonders of bitwise operations |
| 22:02:41 | preglow | i should've done it in regex, obviously |
| 22:02:48 | Mikachu | that's not really a bitwise operation, it's zsh globbing :) |
| 22:02:56 | sharpe | meh |
| 22:02:58 | preglow | zsh is great |
| 22:02:58 | sharpe | ~ is |
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| 22:03:15 | Mikachu | of course, redirecting american beer to everything except itself doesn't make much sense |
| 22:03:57 | sharpe | so it's... (american beer > all & (! american beer)) |
| 22:04:02 | preglow | you need to stop listening to me |
| 22:04:07 | preglow | this isn't meaningful conversation at all |
| 22:04:24 | goffa | american beer < horse piss? |
| 22:04:51 | muesli__ | yepp |
| 22:04:57 | Mikachu | sharpe: i don't think bitwise and with a logical expression is the way to go |
| 22:05:06 | muesli__ | becks rulez the world :o |
| 22:05:12 | sharpe | Mikachu: it works |
| 22:05:16 | preglow | after having tasted a couple of nice india pale ales, i can't mention american beer and horse piss in the same sentence anymore |
| 22:05:19 | preglow | except right now |
| 22:05:45 | goffa | i've been told corona is like american beer filtered through a mexican |
| 22:05:46 | muesli__ | preglow indian beer? |
| 22:05:49 | Mikachu | MALLOC BARF |
| 22:05:50 | Mikachu | hooray! |
| 22:06:13 | preglow | muesli__: no, it's just a name for a beer style with lots of hops |
| 22:06:13 | goffa | maybe indian beer is american beer filtered through an indian :) |
| 22:06:25 | muesli__ | loll |
| 22:06:38 | muesli__ | ill be in india on monday |
| 22:06:46 | muesli__ | hope they have beer over there :o |
| 22:07:10 | * | Mikachu changes get_audio_buffer to get_buffer |
| 22:07:17 | * | Mikachu shifty eyes |
| 22:07:27 | * | muesli__ fills his buffer with beer ;-p |
| 22:07:52 | preglow | i like that ubuntu's got a gparted so old it can't be used for its main purpose |
| 22:08:01 | * | preglow grumbles and burns a gparted cd |
| 22:09:14 | Mikachu | that worked better |
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| 22:09:44 | * | Mikachu points out the midi plugin detects when it runs out of memory then goes ahead and hard locks anyway |
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| 22:12:24 | preglow | hahah |
| 22:12:26 | preglow | tacts |
| 22:12:55 | * | Mikachu rocks out to crappysounding midi |
| 22:14:25 | preglow | what you need now is sid files |
| 22:14:31 | preglow | for proper rocking out |
| 22:14:42 | Mikachu | "i don't want to patch rockbox" |
| 22:14:53 | petur | what's the key combo for LCD offset in the archos sim? |
| 22:15:07 | sharpe | i feel like i'm being thought of when someone mentions sid, just beacause i'm working on the c64 emulator. even though i know there is a codec for it. |
| 22:15:24 | amiconn | petur: LCD offset? |
| 22:15:38 | petur | play+right on h300 |
| 22:15:39 | midkay | sharpe, it's alright, no need to worry, nobody cares about you. ;) |
| 22:15:53 | sharpe | thanks. makes me feel sooo much better. |
| 22:15:55 | amiconn | Ah, you mean that odd screen scroll... |
| 22:15:56 | Mikachu | sharpe: did twisted` reach you? |
| 22:16:00 | sharpe | yes, he did |
| 22:16:03 | Mikachu | okay |
| 22:16:05 | petur | yes |
| 22:16:07 | amiconn | On+Right/Left |
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| 22:16:16 | petur | what's on in the sim? |
| 22:16:32 | * | amiconn checks uisimulatr/sdl/button.c |
| 22:16:37 | nayr | help? |
| 22:16:45 | * | petur admits he's lazy |
| 22:17:20 | amiconn | Should be the same as for H300 |
| 22:17:23 | nayr | I have a mac, and when I tried to convert it to MS-DOS fs, it only gave me 3.7 gigs of space |
| 22:17:31 | nayr | on my 5.7 gig ipof mini 2g |
| 22:17:35 | nayr | ipd* |
| 22:17:43 | petur | hehe, I tried h300 on target :D |
| 22:17:43 | nayr | ipod*, damnit |
| 22:17:46 | sharpe | mmm... convert? |
| 22:18:11 | Mikachu | nayr: maybe you did something wrong |
| 22:18:24 | nayr | probably :) |
| 22:18:25 | petur | aha '+' + left |
| 22:18:29 | sharpe | er, what color is lime? |
| 22:18:35 | Mikachu | greenish yellow i think |
| 22:18:45 | sharpe | 'kay... |
| 22:18:46 | nayr | is there anyway to partition the ipod myself? |
| 22:18:59 | nayr | I just need to know the sized, and i'll just use diskutil |
| 22:19:18 | nayr | ahh |
| 22:19:21 | nayr | I see the problem |
| 22:19:38 | nayr | how can I get a 6-gig partition table for the 2g mini? |
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| 22:20:32 | nayr | ? |
| 22:20:36 | Mikachu | is the midi plugin person on irc? |
| 22:20:44 | preglow | sometimes |
| 22:20:46 | preglow | it's stevenm |
| 22:20:59 | Mikachu | ah |
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| 22:21:17 | Mikachu | i had to halve the tempo |
| 22:21:43 | Mikachu | heh this file is still way too fast |
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| 22:22:01 | Mikachu | but most files sound correct with the change |
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| 22:22:42 | nayr | any mac users here? |
| 22:23:16 | nayr | no? |
| 22:23:51 | nayr | damn. |
| 22:24:25 | zigford | not i |
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| 22:25:41 | XavierGr | lostlogic: are you here? |
| 22:26:10 | lostlogic | XavierGr: not really, didn't get a chance to look at your samples yesterday |
| 22:26:27 | XavierGr | ok just asking |
| 22:27:02 | lostlogic | sorry, still kinda catching back up with the real world after my forray into the dream world that is internet-less travelspace. |
| 22:27:32 | XavierGr | np |
| 22:27:38 | petur | I need to increase language_buffer[] - how much shall I add? |
| 22:27:54 | petur | it's 14000 atm |
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| 22:29:16 | Romanos_Byzantin | Hi guys! I'm new around here. Any chance i can get rockboy for nano? looooool |
| 22:29:42 | linuxstb | nayr: If you've copied the partition table from a smaller ipod, you should be able to use fdisk to delete the FAT32 partition, and then recreate it to fill the entire disk. |
| 22:29:43 | midkay | my frickin' god, that gets funnier every time. |
| 22:29:49 | midkay | like right now. i'm totally dying of laughter. |
| 22:30:01 | linuxstb | nayr: Otherwise, you'll have to try and find someone with a 6GB mini to donate their partition table to you. |
| 22:30:09 | midkay | take me to the hospital. please. i'm going to suffocate from laughing *so* hard. |
| 22:30:18 | linuxstb | (or find a Windows PC to run the Apple Restore program on). |
| 22:30:21 | Romanos_Byzantin | are u greek? |
| 22:30:36 | Romanos_Byzantin | that's exactly the sarcastic sense of humour we got.. |
| 22:30:43 | petur | most here are geek |
| 22:30:48 | midkay | i'm not, sorry. |
| 22:30:56 | Romanos_Byzantin | well, i don't like it.. especially when it's deliberate.. |
| 22:32:18 | midkay | don't like what? my sarcasm? |
| 22:32:36 | Romanos_Byzantin | nah.. forget about it |
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| 22:33:07 | preglow | ahaha |
| 22:33:09 | XavierGr | :) |
| 22:33:15 | midkay | yay, he's gone. |
| 22:33:16 | XavierGr | what an anoyance |
| 22:33:17 | * | midkay bows. |
| 22:33:17 | midkay | ;) |
| 22:33:27 | midkay | we should start a contest.. |
| 22:33:34 | midkay | whoever can get rid of him in the fewest lines each day ;) |
| 22:33:37 | preglow | time for some crazy-ass ntfs partition resizing |
| 22:33:47 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 22:33:53 | XavierGr | midkay:great idea |
| 22:33:57 | midkay | preglow, that's bananas! how large are the partitions? |
| 22:34:01 | midkay | :) |
| 22:34:10 | preglow | humongous! |
| 22:34:12 | preglow | brb |
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| 22:34:32 | XavierGr | o knows.... |
| 22:34:37 | XavierGr | I mean |
| 22:34:40 | XavierGr | oh noes |
| 22:34:41 | midkay | it's XavierGr's turn! |
| 22:34:41 | midkay | ;) |
| 22:34:45 | XavierGr | LOL |
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| 22:35:38 | RomanosByzantine | damn.. why the char limit? |
| 22:35:41 | RomanosByzantine | :) |
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| 22:37:27 | midkay | ha. that sarcasm kills me. |
| 22:37:38 | synth7 | im glad this chan is on freenode, didnt feel like adding another network to my list |
| 22:37:44 | RomanosByzantine | really? i thought it was smoking |
| 22:37:59 | RomanosByzantine | :P |
| 22:39:38 | petur | any objections I increase the language buffer from 14000 to 16000? |
| 22:39:52 | midkay | um. yes. i want that 2kb. |
| 22:40:02 | goffa | ugh... snowing again |
| 22:40:04 | midkay | that could result in several seconds more playback. |
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| 22:40:14 | Mikachu | using sid? |
| 22:40:32 | midkay | hm. |
| 22:40:34 | midkay | i suppose. |
| 22:40:40 | RomanosByzantine | goffa where? |
| 22:40:54 | goffa | montana |
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| 22:41:08 | RomanosByzantine | :P where's that? canada? |
| 22:41:17 | goffa | usa |
| 22:41:32 | RomanosByzantine | in the northern area i assume.. |
| 22:41:34 | goffa | bordering canada.. under saskatchewan and alberta |
| 22:41:46 | goffa | yeah |
| 22:41:48 | RomanosByzantine | nice |
| 22:41:52 | goffa | not typical for it to be snowing in may |
| 22:41:55 | goffa | but it happens |
| 22:42:04 | RomanosByzantine | sounds cool though |
| 22:42:16 | RomanosByzantine | go snowboard with your rockboxed pda |
| 22:42:18 | goffa | yeah... about 40 here |
| 22:42:21 | goffa | it wont stick around long |
| 22:42:32 | RomanosByzantine | :P |
| 22:42:35 | goffa | its not sticking luckily |
| 22:42:42 | goffa | no mountains on this side of the state |
| 22:42:45 | goffa | rolling hills |
| 22:42:55 | Mikachu | go lollerskating |
| 22:43:00 | RomanosByzantine | :) |
| 22:43:02 | goffa | he he he |
| 22:43:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 22:43:14 | RomanosByzantine | who's life there? |
| 22:43:15 | goffa | could do that... if i was coordinated enough |
| 22:43:16 | petur | amiconn? |
| 22:43:18 | RomanosByzantine | how's |
| 22:43:24 | left | f |
| 22:43:28 | goffa | good here.. .laid back |
| 22:43:37 | RomanosByzantine | relax... |
| 22:43:53 | goffa | i'd like to be not at work.. but with it snowing i guess i don't care much |
| 22:44:12 | goffa | got a new player coming tomorrow... h140 |
| 22:44:21 | RomanosByzantine | sweet |
| 22:44:29 | goffa | should compliment my x5l nicely |
| 22:44:55 | goffa | price was right.. $200 on ebay |
| 22:45:13 | RomanosByzantine | used? |
| 22:45:20 | goffa | said new in box |
| 22:45:34 | RomanosByzantine | how much they retail? |
| 22:45:43 | goffa | dunno.. let me look |
| 22:45:43 | * | XavierGr remembers that he has to sell a brand new H115 |
| 22:46:12 | RomanosByzantine | here's your chance then xavier.. send it up to canada lol |
| 22:46:26 | goffa | hard to find |
| 22:46:34 | RomanosByzantine | nevermind |
| 22:46:35 | goffa | but $441-500 on froogle |
| 22:46:40 | goffa | not worth that |
| 22:46:41 | RomanosByzantine | wow |
| 22:46:54 | goffa | but i think that's because its discontinued |
| 22:47:10 | RomanosByzantine | i'm just stuck up with my nano... why is everybody hates nano on here btw? |
| 22:47:13 | goffa | but hey.. with rockbox firmware is still in development :) |
| 22:47:26 | goffa | for me.. storage |
| 22:47:30 | | Part noa ("Leaving") |
| 22:47:39 | goffa | h140 is 40gb |
| 22:47:44 | RomanosByzantine | right.. |
| 22:47:46 | goffa | and my x5l is 30gb |
| 22:47:49 | Bagder | if everybody would hate nano, rockbox wouldn't run on it |
| 22:47:50 | goffa | but its not really a hate |
| 22:48:00 | goffa | just a personal preference |
| 22:48:12 | goffa | i hate to give apple more money than i have to :) |
| 22:48:18 | dwihno | linuxstb: I read about the 2.5"-based unit in the forum... Do you think they might sponsor the project with a handful of units to the core team for porting? |
| 22:48:28 | RomanosByzantine | dunno guys.. semms that nano would be your last choice if u ever were abouth to bought a dpa |
| 22:48:39 | linuxstb | I'm hoping so :) But he doesn't seem to be understanding my hints... |
| 22:48:54 | Mikachu | tell them i'm on the core team |
| 22:48:56 | goffa | ha ha ha |
| 22:48:57 | nobelium | Bagder, can you atttend to my pm please :)? |
| 22:49:04 | Genre9mp3 | I'm sure that I can get that H115 for a very low price...heh Xavier??? :-) |
| 22:49:04 | nobelium | *attend |
| 22:49:13 | Genre9mp3 | romanos...you mean dap? |
| 22:49:14 | * | goffa joins core team and hints :) |
| 22:49:17 | Bagder | nobelium: eh, where you said 'hi' ? |
| 22:49:17 | XavierGr | how much Genre9? |
| 22:49:18 | RomanosByzantine | lol |
| 22:49:20 | RomanosByzantine | yeah |
| 22:49:22 | RomanosByzantine | :P |
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| 22:49:27 | Mikachu | digital porno appliance |
| 22:49:32 | nobelium | well, wanted to know if you were online |
| 22:49:32 | XavierGr | :P |
| 22:49:33 | RomanosByzantine | Greek Attack :P |
| 22:49:53 | goffa | lol.. Mikachu they doing work on those 7" archos devices? |
| 22:49:58 | Genre9mp3 | wow...straight out question...remember...we are cousins!!! |
| 22:50:07 | goffa | for dpa |
| 22:50:14 | XavierGr | no we are not in main chat Genre9 |
| 22:50:21 | XavierGr | :D |
| 22:50:34 | RomanosByzantine | ta xoume gamisei ola |
| 22:50:37 | RomanosByzantine | xontro |
| 22:50:45 | RomanosByzantine | just slipped out of my mouth |
| 22:50:56 | Genre9mp3 | I'm sure I can lower the price a bit... private! :) |
| 22:50:57 | goffa | you mean fingers? |
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| 22:50:59 | goffa | :) |
| 22:51:25 | RomanosByzantine | u're selling hardware among each other? Nice cousins.... |
| 22:51:29 | RomanosByzantine | :P |
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| 22:52:15 | Genre9mp3 | romanos: remember it's an iriver, not an ipod! :-P |
| 22:52:26 | goffa | ha |
| 22:52:26 | XavierGr | exactly! |
| 22:52:30 | RomanosByzantine | lol.... |
| 22:52:45 | XavierGr | irivers HDD DAPS are precioussss |
| 22:52:51 | goffa | yes they are |
| 22:52:55 | RomanosByzantine | My preicoussss |
| 22:52:56 | nobelium | my h300 is awesome :) |
| 22:53:04 | RomanosByzantine | My precious... |
| 22:53:14 | nobelium | now if rockbox was also ported to H10 =) |
| 22:53:14 | goffa | i was going to get a h340 but they wanted too much on ebay |
| 22:53:20 | goffa | then i saw the h140 |
| 22:53:31 | * | goffa doesn't need a color screen |
| 22:53:34 | XavierGr | [show off mode] my H360, H140 and H115 are all awesome |
| 22:53:47 | goffa | :( |
| 22:54:00 | * | goffa only has karma x5l and h140 (tomorrow) |
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| 22:54:13 | Genre9mp3 | goffa: only? |
| 22:54:15 | RomanosByzantine | well.. it depends. I mean nano really has some style, but really is not worthing that much money. On the other hand, i dunno .. Apple design Made in california |
| 22:54:16 | goffa | my johnson isn't as big as yours |
| 22:54:19 | goffa | :{) |
| 22:54:25 | dwihno | More Rockbox coverage: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2111 |
| 22:54:34 | XavierGr | Well I should shut up too. Some devs here can make me look poor in DAP posetion |
| 22:54:51 | goffa | Genre9mp3: its an obsession |
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| 22:54:59 | goffa | karma has broken wheel |
| 22:55:25 | Genre9mp3 | I'm happy with my H340.... |
| 22:55:37 | RomanosByzantine | speakin of rio.. i heard some rumors of something new that will replace karma.. |
| 22:55:47 | Genre9mp3 | of course I probably wouldn't say no to a bigger HDD! ;-) |
| 22:56:03 | goffa | yeah... they shut down their portable player devision.. got bought out by someone |
| 22:56:06 | goffa | diamond i though |
| 22:56:07 | goffa | t |
| 22:56:17 | goffa | unless diamond is going to do something |
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| 22:56:51 | goffa | "While the menus aren.t as clean and polished as Apple.s firmware, " ... pfft |
| 22:57:07 | Mikachu | the menus are super confusing in rockbox |
| 22:57:11 | goffa | they almost owe me a new keyboard |
| 22:57:24 | goffa | i don't think they are that bad |
| 22:57:25 | klrspz | just cuz they don't slide sideways they aren't as clean/polished? |
| 22:57:26 | RomanosByzantine | what dap u got? |
| 22:57:27 | Mikachu | you have ' on the . key? |
| 22:57:36 | goffa | no |
| 22:57:38 | goffa | it pasted that way |
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| 22:57:44 | Mikachu | neat |
| 22:57:49 | goffa | yeah.. go figure |
| 22:57:58 | * | goffa uses the dvorak layout |
| 22:58:03 | Mikachu | me too |
| 22:58:05 | goffa | so all keys except a and m are wrong |
| 22:58:15 | amiconn | petur: I'm back |
| 22:58:17 | goffa | or right depending on your point of view |
| 22:58:31 | Mikachu | no, all keys are right, including a and m |
| 22:58:44 | goffa | :) |
| 22:58:54 | petur | amiconn: I increased lang buffer from 14000 to 16000 (committed already) - no problem I hope? |
| 22:58:59 | goffa | the way they should be anyway |
| 22:59:57 | goffa | oh man ... another quote |
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| 23:00:08 | goffa | "Considering that there is no WMA or DRM support, I'll stick with my standard IPod. I hate DRM as much as anyone, but it's an unfortunately reality in the music world. |
| 23:00:11 | goffa | " |
| 23:00:25 | RomanosByzantine | that's going to sound awkward , but there is a way to see idtags of greek songs when i'm using the regional settings on win xp.. how can i get these files in order to view greek tags on wps? |
| 23:00:30 | goffa | comedy at its finest |
| 23:00:50 | amiconn | petur: Well, if russian.lng was too large... |
| 23:00:53 | Genre9mp3 | romanos: use unifont |
| 23:01:07 | RomanosByzantine | moufa |
| 23:01:07 | amiconn | That'll probably change with some langv2 rework... |
| 23:01:18 | petur | amiconn: I meant mem-usage wise... adding 2K |
| 23:01:31 | RomanosByzantine | and iv'e tried unifont.. but still got issues with tags |
| 23:01:49 | Genre9mp3 | romanos: what kind of issues? |
| 23:01:55 | amiconn | petur: In this case it's necessary (for now). 2K RAM usage isn't *that* bad, since it doesn't increase the binary size |
| 23:01:56 | RomanosByzantine | boxes |
| 23:02:09 | petur | ok |
| 23:02:20 | Mikachu | put it in the spare iram ;) |
| 23:02:30 | amiconn | Bagder: I had an idea for langv2: |
| 23:02:41 | RomanosByzantine | saying boxes i mean , every single letter is replaced by boxes and strange dots |
| 23:03:04 | linuxstb | RomanosByzantine: What kind of files are you playing? |
| 23:03:12 | RomanosByzantine | mp3's |
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| 23:03:47 | Genre9mp3 | romanos:I haven't tested greek tags much, but I remember I didn't have any problems with unifont |
| 23:03:49 | Tuan | hmm |
| 23:04:01 | amiconn | Would it be possible to "quench" strings from xyz.lang in the generated .lng (and the transformed .lang for voice generation) when the entry is an empty string in english.lang? |
| 23:04:03 | RomanosByzantine | i know.. maybe they are crap |
| 23:04:22 | RomanosByzantine | i mean the ripped songs.. mainly downloadedd from p2p networks |
| 23:04:26 | linuxstb | RomanosByzantine: I'm not sure what character encoding id3 tags use, but maybe you have to change the codepage. |
| 23:04:31 | Bagder | amiconn: I don't understand |
| 23:04:33 | RomanosByzantine | yep |
| 23:04:39 | RomanosByzantine | i've tried that as well |
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| 23:05:07 | RomanosByzantine | i'll try to rip some songs personally |
| 23:05:10 | Genre9mp3 | I think that with unifont it should be fine, at least in the wps |
| 23:05:18 | RomanosByzantine | so i'll be sure about tags integrity |
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| 23:06:03 | amiconn | Bagder: When a string/voice entry is empty for a certain platform in english.lang, that means the string isn't needed, however, the translator(s) might not yet have updated their .lang files, so the string is still there |
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| 23:06:13 | RomanosByzantine | btw.. i'm using audiograbber to rip my songs.. Anything better than that? |
| 23:06:25 | klrspz | <3 audiograbber personally |
| 23:06:28 | Bagder | amiconn: ah right, a blank english string should cause a blank local string as well |
| 23:06:29 | XavierGr | EAC |
| 23:06:45 | RomanosByzantine | eac? |
| 23:06:46 | amiconn | In these cases, genlang could set the strings to empty when generating th e.lng (or the transformed. lang for voice building) |
| 23:06:46 | nobelium | yes |
| 23:06:47 | nobelium | EAC |
| 23:06:50 | nobelium | =) |
| 23:06:54 | nobelium | www.exactaudiocopy.de |
| 23:06:56 | RomanosByzantine | good? |
| 23:06:59 | Genre9mp3 | EAC = Exact Audio Copy |
| 23:07:03 | nobelium | excellent with LAME encoder |
| 23:07:10 | RomanosByzantine | flac? |
| 23:07:13 | nobelium | using the VBR settings from the hydrogen forum |
| 23:07:13 | nobelium | mp3 |
| 23:07:23 | RomanosByzantine | can i just use external encoders? |
| 23:07:26 | nobelium | yes |
| 23:07:33 | petur | bbl |
| 23:07:35 | amiconn | EAC can handle almost any external encoder |
| 23:07:36 | nobelium | EAC is a ripping application |
| 23:07:38 | RomanosByzantine | i'll give it a shot |
| 23:07:46 | nobelium | but it can connect to a lot of external encoders |
| 23:07:48 | nobelium | like LAME |
| 23:08:04 | * | amiconn will see the result of his mini2g runtime test in a few minutes |
| 23:08:17 | RomanosByzantine | well.. it seems u guys really love it, so i'll so some appreciation to that and give it a nice try :) |
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| 23:09:17 | RomanosByzantine | Exact Audio Copy V 0.95 beta 4 with CDRDAO-Burning ? |
| 23:09:22 | RomanosByzantine | or without? |
| 23:09:36 | nobelium | do you use another burning software? |
| 23:09:39 | nobelium | like nero? |
| 23:09:39 | RomanosByzantine | yep |
| 23:09:41 | RomanosByzantine | nero |
| 23:09:49 | nobelium | then you should stick with it |
| 23:09:53 | RomanosByzantine | okz |
| 23:09:58 | amiconn | Ugh, only 9 hours this time :/ |
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| 23:11:59 | * | goffa was only at 50% battery when he unplugged this morning :) |
| 23:12:09 | goffa | i got 5-6 hours |
| 23:12:58 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone work with the mini2g sim? I get crappy screendumps with it |
| 23:13:20 | RomanosByzantine | eac has only wav and mp3 tabs, can i add any other tabs? Any flac tabs? I love flac.. i could go out to dinner with it |
| 23:14:18 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Oh, maybe screendump isn't adapted for the (not-so) new framebuffer format... |
| 23:14:21 | * | amiconn checks |
| 23:14:53 | preglow | success! |
| 23:15:28 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Ick, you're right... |
| 23:15:34 | * | amiconn tested on target |
| 23:15:40 | preglow | amiconn: did you do a battery test, btw? |
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| 23:15:46 | XavierGr | preglow: success on what? |
| 23:15:51 | amiconn | preglow: [23:09:59] <amiconn> Ugh, only 9 hours this time :/ |
| 23:16:02 | preglow | amiconn: right :/ |
| 23:16:09 | preglow | XavierGr: resizing all my partitions without anything exploding in my face |
| 23:16:23 | XavierGr | nice |
| 23:16:27 | nobelium | romanos, I think the Mp3 tab can be used for flac conversion |
| 23:16:32 | obo | amiconn: does the gcc patch update the string from -dumpversion ? |
| 23:16:37 | nobelium | if you set the external coder to some flac encoder :) |
| 23:17:09 | amiconn | obo: No, only the one from -v |
| 23:17:35 | obo | ah, thanks |
| 23:19:41 | goffa | i don't understand why my battery only charges to 50% some nights |
| 23:19:48 | goffa | but other nights it'll go to 100 |
| 23:20:52 | preglow | amiconn: any idea why so poor a result this time? |
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| 23:21:20 | amiconn | Not at all... |
| 23:24:05 | nobelium | I'm a bit confused now..wasn't rockbox charging for h300 implemented a while ago? |
| 23:24:16 | nobelium | mine still goes to original iriver firmware |
| 23:24:54 | Mikachu | don't you need to hold down a key? |
| 23:25:38 | nobelium | not sure..going to read the manual |
| 23:26:18 | PaulJam | if you insert the charger when rockbox is running it charges through rockbox |
| 23:26:52 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Fixed. |
| 23:26:54 | Mikachu | look out for 01:02:03 04/05/06 later tonight |
| 23:27:24 | markun | Mikachu: holding a key is for USB charging |
| 23:27:46 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Wow! As simple as that? Cool!!! |
| 23:27:50 | Mikachu | markun: is he not trying to do that? |
| 23:28:13 | markun | Is he? |
| 23:28:16 | nobelium | nop |
| 23:28:26 | nobelium | AC charging |
| 23:28:46 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Yes, the framebuffer format used to be lsb first, now it's msb first in order to not mirror retailos by the rockbox bootloader. Screendump was just not adjusted yet |
| 23:29:43 | linuxstb | So is anyone else interested in a port to that mp3/mp4 player with a 2.5" disk? |
| 23:29:53 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:29:56 | preglow | but for the time... |
| 23:30:14 | linuxstb | I know... That's my only doubt. |
| 23:30:31 | linuxstb | But I would like a swcodec player with a 2.5" disk... |
| 23:30:52 | preglow | sounds like fun, but it'll just diverge me further from the points in rockbox i'd like to spend more time on |
| 23:30:56 | preglow | which is codecs and dsp |
| 23:31:06 | preglow | and i'm really struggling with time nowadays anyway |
| 23:31:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:31:26 | * | amiconn doesn't really like these players, judging from the specs... |
| 23:31:36 | preglow | i don't care too much about that, i'm still fine with my h120 |
| 23:31:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: What's the problem? |
| 23:32:13 | preglow | no hardware codec |
| 23:32:15 | preglow | :P |
| 23:32:18 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: You are the man. I don't have a clue about these stuff...Glad that is fixed. |
| 23:34:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: My biggest concerns: (1) Large colour lcd (2) Too small battery for 2.5" HD |
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| 23:35:55 | preglow | brb |
| 23:36:15 | Bagder | linuxstb: I'm certainly considering it |
| 23:36:58 | XavierGr | I would too, If I had the knowledge |
| 23:37:03 | XavierGr | Porting seems to be fun |
| 23:37:10 | XavierGr | Look all of you. :D |
| 23:37:49 | amiconn | 480x234! yuck |
| 23:37:54 | Mikachu | sometimes when linux' usb craps out, it works in another port |
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| 23:40:39 | linuxstb | The only battery life estimate I can find is 13 hours (for the Hi-X6). They also quote some power consumption figures here: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ericwong/Hi-X6_poster_pg2.jpg |
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| 23:43:09 | amiconn | My 3rd concern: Has anyone ever seen these players in europe and/or the us? |
| 23:43:27 | linuxstb | I've been wondering the same. Maybe they are available under a different name... |
| 23:44:02 | preglow | i got the impression they weren't widely available yet |
| 23:44:08 | linuxstb | Although he seemed to imply in his last forum post that they have various distributors around the world. |
| 23:46:15 | preglow | he most certainly did |
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| 23:48:27 | preglow | Davide-NYC: i'm here now |
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| 23:49:13 | Davide-NYC | please tell me in quick 'n' dirty fashion how to test (what in particular you want me to do) the optical recording and I will try to run some tests tonight |
| 23:49:22 | goffa | c'mon clock! |
| 23:49:29 | goffa | 1 hour and 10 mins |
| 23:49:40 | goffa | and i'm free |
| 23:49:57 | preglow | Davide-NYC: i don't really require any more tests |
| 23:50:05 | goffa | time seems to slow down without tunes |
| 23:50:15 | Davide-NYC | wow! is that good news or bad news? |
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| 23:50:24 | preglow | i need to find out why the bloody coldfire doesn't do what i want it do |
| 23:50:25 | preglow | to |
| 23:50:28 | preglow | bad, i guess |
| 23:50:32 | Davide-NYC | Urghh |
| 23:50:33 | preglow | it means i don't know what i'm doing wrong |
| 23:50:37 | Davide-NYC | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 23:50:46 | preglow | don't worry, i'll fix it sooner or later |
| 23:51:05 | Davide-NYC | if there is something I can do let me know, I am very interested in this feature |
| 23:51:09 | preglow | sure |
| 23:51:12 | preglow | can do |
| 23:51:13 | Davide-NYC | (next to no coding ability) |
| 23:51:22 | preglow | heh |
| 23:51:30 | preglow | i'll post a patch once i've had some progress |
| 23:51:32 | preglow | so you'll know |
| 23:51:42 | Davide-NYC | took CS in college, but that was pascal and was 10 years ago |
| 23:51:58 | preglow | have you tried the current patch any, though? |
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| 23:52:26 | Davide-NYC | I belive Pilot000 put it in his build, but I have not yet tried it |
| 23:52:40 | Davide-NYC | I stil have to learn how to work with patches' |
| 23:53:01 | Davide-NYC | I compiled once but it was a "follow the instructions" dry run and absorbed next to nothing doing |
| 23:53:23 | Davide-NYC | eventually (when I get the time) I will be more on board |
| 23:53:41 | preglow | seems different people meet different bugs in it |
| 23:53:43 | petur | dongs? |
| 23:53:46 | preglow | which makes it all the easier to work with |
| 23:54:15 | Davide-NYC | When I do test it I should use the current build and your patch and nothing else, cvorrent? |
| 23:54:24 | Davide-NYC | *correct? |
| 23:55:11 | preglow | yea |
| 23:55:17 | preglow | the patch is a bit outdated though |
| 23:55:25 | Davide-NYC | I ask because right now I'm using the recording enhancement patch and the auto gain patch |
| 23:55:27 | preglow | better to just wait |
| 23:55:39 | preglow | well, you can use as many patches as you want, really, as long as they don't clash |
| 23:55:43 | Davide-NYC | basically Mmmm's build or Pilot000 build |
| 23:56:06 | Davide-NYC | Well I figure these have a pretty good possibility of clashing, or am I wrong? |
| 23:56:08 | preglow | i'll post a build when i post a new patch as well |
| 23:56:12 | preglow | they do, yea |
| 23:56:23 | preglow | but i've gotta go |
| 23:56:24 | preglow | bbl |
| 23:56:26 | Davide-NYC | sweet. Thanks a bunch for your efforts |
| 23:56:32 | preglow | you're welcome |
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